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Here is a link to the poor guys eaten face. Dinner anyone?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e2_1338322381If the rolls there were reversed, the media would be crying "racist attack".
For those of us who were fortunate to have lived in South Florida in the time from 1989 to 2009 and had the opportunity to hear probably the greatest on air talk personality ever, Neil Rogers, died today at hospice on Christmas eve.
Neil Rogers started in Miami radio on WKAT but in 1989, after coming out as a homosexual signed on at WIOD then later at WQAM.
His side kicks were also well known. There was Glenn "The Bird" Hill, nicked that because he was known for hanging around the station waiting for some one to get fired and take their job like a vulture waiting for carrion.
Later Neil partnered with Jorge Rodriguez, a sticky character who was a self confirming heterosexual but respected Neil greatly.
Neil had a combative relationship with Steve Kane, who was a true Libertarian and focused his show on the strongest of local Miami issues. And Hank Goldberg, who Neil would joke about his weight but they were friends.
Neil was a friend to mongers as he would take "pig reports" from listeners and announce on air what cops were doing radar speed checks and hooker stings in the area.
This caused much irritation the the Police.
I called in several reports from Biscayne Blvd when Metro and Miami cops would put out decoys and hang around in disguised as bikers or taxi drivers waiting to pounce on some poor guy just wanting to have some fun.
Neil would tell all the horny guys to look out for the oinkers.
Here's some pics I have scanned into digital format, including my very own autographed appearance photo of Neil.
Neil got to know me by name and face after I showed up at a number of his appearances at The Broward mall, Kendall Toyota and the Horse race tracks, G61.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_rogers
Neil got to know me by name and face after I showed up at a number of his appearances at The Broward mall, Kendall Toyota and the Horse race tracks, G61.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_rogers
Lurker X,
You never fail to amaze me.
CookyJar
Lurker X,
You never fail to amaze me.
CookyJarThanks CJ, your INPUT is always appreciated, but you already know that. LOL.
http://www.neilrogers.com/
Here's a guy who desperately needs to log onto this site and find an outlet for his sexual prowess.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/oklahoma/cops-collar-man-who-pleasured-self-eight-minutes-sonic-drive-thru-lane-453907
Lurker 2009
04-06-11, 16:29
Bar girl Scam on South Beach
MIAMI Seventeen people have been charged in an alleged scheme to defraud out-of-town visitors by using so-called "B-Girls" to lure them to shady South Beach private clubs where they are charged exorbitant prices for liquor, champagne and other alcoholic beverages, federal prosecutors said Wednesday.
The "B-Girls" short for "Bar Girls" troll legitimate Miami Beach nightspots for businessmen and tourists who appear wealthy based on such accessories as expensive watches and nice shoes, according to an FBI affidavit. The women, most of them brought into the scheme from Eastern Europe and Russia, then invite the men to private clubs and begin pouring the booze, racking up huge charges on the victims' credit cards.
Sometimes the men are so drunk they don't realize what is happening and can't remember a thing the next morning, the FBI affidavit says.
"Some victims are so intoxicated by the drinks forced upon them by the B-Girls that they cannot stand and are not competent enough to sign credit card receipts," FBI agent said in the affidavit."Those victims are propped up by the B-Girls long enough to obtain signatures."
The clubs aren't open to the public and exist only for the fraud scheme, according to the FBI. Yet they have the requisite exotic-sounding South Beach names: Caviar Bar, Nowhere Bar, Steel Toast, Tangia Club to name a few.
Prosecutors say at least 88 victims have been identified with total losses in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Sometimes if they refused to pay, the scam operators would call local police under a Florida law that requires bar and restaurant patrons to pay a disputed bill first and take it up later with the credit card company.
The operators also sometimes took pictures of the victims with bottles of alcohol to use as proof of the purchase, which sometimes ran $6, 000 a pop or more, and one victim lost $43, 000. The FBI affidavit says the "B-Girls" kept 20 percent of the business they brought in, with the owners getting 10 percent.
All 17 suspects, a mix of club operators and "B-Girls" mostly from Latvia and Estonia, face charges of wire fraud conspiracy, which carries a 20-year maximum prison sentence. The women and some of the operators made initial court appearances Wednesday, despite a delay caused by an unavailable Russian translator.
Court-appointed attorneys for the suspects, who made initial appearances before a judge shackled and wearing bland prison jumpsuits, declined comment. Some were being held without bail and others were trying to come up with bail money. One top manager of the alleged scheme was still at large and believed out of the country, prosecutors said.
USA Attorney Wifredo Ferrer said such scams can damage the reputation of South Florida's vital tourist industry.
"This scheme preyed on our tourists and gave our tourism industry a black eye," Ferrer said."We are pleased to have put this ring out of operation."
Bar girl Scam on South BeachLOL, reminds me of Subic Bay, in the Philippines, just more expensive.
Bad Monger here.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Long-Island-Serial-Killer-Prompts-Safety-Tips-For-Escorts-119667424.html
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/police-trail-possible-ny-serial-killer-bones-unclear-20110411-121726-274.html
Gringo2123
04-22-11, 08:25
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2011/04/60_busted_in_online_prostituti_1.html
Gringo2123
04-28-11, 10:49
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2011/04/cops_woman_tried_to_buy_her_80.html
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2011/04/60_busted_in_online_prostituti_1.htmlPolk County.
Another case of Red Neck Law Enforcement fuckin with local White Trash and feeling mighty proud of their accomplishments.
Great job boys!
PeterPiper52
04-29-11, 14:45
Polk County.
Another case of Red Neck Law Enforcement fuckin with local White Trash and feeling mighty proud of their accomplishments.
Great job boys! Most people in this area, by now know (or should know) NOT to play in Polk County. Not with that sheriff who gets more TV time than Regis Philbin. He's trying to clean up the county by running these stings, which he does every couple of months.
Probably not, not now, likely six or seven years ago. The Federal government can concoct anything from a phoney crisis to a fake birth certificate or a staged death.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-killed/story?id=13505703
Ironically, Bin Laden's death occurred with in hours of the anniversary of Adolf Hitler's death.
http://www.ajc.com/news/bin-ladens-death-news-931831.html?cxtype=rss_news
The whole story smells of conspiracy and fraud. I want t see the body and not be told that Osama bin Laden was buried according to Muslim tradition like his death was ordinary.
We are being lied to like never before.
Probably not, not now, likely six or seven years ago. The Federal government can concoct anything from a phoney crisis to a fake birth certificate or a staged death.
We are being lied to like never before. Here we go again.
Hitler is still alive, living in South America. The moon landing was staged. JFK was killed by Castro, the Mob, the Russians and a group of Texas business men. Aliens exist and are being hidden by the Government. Up is down, three plus three is two, shit doesn't stink and the metric system causes Wheatees to get soggy in milk.
...I want t see the body and not be told that Osama bin Laden was buried according to Muslim tradition like his death was ordinary.
We are being lied to like never before. And what difference would seeing the body make? Are you a forensic scientist, expert DNA Technician? Were you a personal friend of Osama? Could you ID the body based on confidential knowledge of his body parts?
People are going to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the truth.
Keep it light Lurker X ;)
CookyJar
Member #4581
05-02-11, 16:36
Here we go again.
Hitler is still alive, living in South America. The moon landing was staged. JFK was killed by Castro, the Mob, the Russians and a group of Texas business men. Aliens exist and are being hidden by the Government. Up is down, three plus three is two, shit doesn't stink and the metric system causes Wheatees to get soggy in milk.
And what difference would seeing the body make? Are you a forensic scientist, expert DNA Technician? Were you a personal friend of Osama? Could you I'd the body based on confidential knowledge of his body parts?
People are going to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the truth.
Keep it light Lurker X.
CookyJar"Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails, and place my finger in the mark of the nails, and place my hand in his side, I will not believe" (Jn 20:25).
Unless I saw the body slip into the ocean I'll have my doubts about this.
Seva Lurker
05-02-11, 17:40
The government has been known to lie to the people on various subjects (e. G, WMD's in Iraq) , but this story is too big to be a lie. The administration could never say anything again and Obama's credibility would be so low it would have to look up to see whale shit coming down.
Member #4860
05-02-11, 21:31
LOL! I believe more in the killing of Osama Bin Laden than I do in the authenticity of Obama's long form birth certificate!
The government has been known to lie to the people on various subjects (e. G, WMD's in Iraq) , but this story is too big to be a lie. The administration could never say anything again and Obama's credibility would be so low it would have to look up to see whale shit coming down.
"Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails, and place my finger in the mark of the nails, and place my hand in his side, I will not believe" (Jn 20:25).
Unless I saw the body slip into the ocean I'll have my doubts about this. So which is it? He is still alive and the Taliban and Al Qaeda are keeping him hidden until the 2012 elections. Or was he killed (died) 6 or 7 years ago and the Taliban and Al Qaeda have been lying to us. Or, he was kill yesterday as our own President and Government, says.
It's a vast international conspiracy armed at confusing the American people for what reason? To give Donald Trump time to locate the real Birth Certificate? Take our minds off of the Royal newlyweds so that they can honeymoon in peace? Or, so that the Aliens can secretly zap us with their invisible mind sapping ray?
LOL! I believe more in the killing of Osama Bin Laden than I do in the authenticity of Obama's long form birth certificate!There are those among us who would rather believe our enemies over our own people. (If the man's birth certificate was a fake don't you think Mr. & Mrs Clinton or the Republican Party would have exposed the fraud?)
People are going to believe what they want to believe regardless of the truth.
CookyJar
Baltimonger
05-02-11, 22:50
You want proof?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc4b6sVXCu4&
; feature=related
Baldy Cruiser
05-02-11, 23:33
Probably not, not now, likely six or seven years ago. The Federal government can concoct anything from a phoney crisis to a fake birth certificate or a staged death.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-killed/story?id=13505703
Ironically, Bin Laden's death occurred with in hours of the anniversary of Adolf Hitler's death.
http://www.ajc.com/news/bin-ladens-death-news-931831.html?cxtype=rss_news
The whole story smells of conspiracy and fraud. I want t see the body and not be told that Osama bin Laden was buried according to Muslim tradition like his death was ordinary.
We are being lied to like never before. You truly are a dumb ass.
BALDY CRUISER
Member #4860
05-03-11, 00:20
Double LOL! I would NEVER EVER make the mistake of believing Mr & Mrs Clinton! And I'll believe YOU and OBAMA when the latter unseals his school records, voluntarily, for everyone to see. You see,"there are more things in heave and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
So which is it? He is still alive and the Taliban and Al Qaeda are keeping him hidden until the 2012 elections. Or was he killed (died) 6 or 7 years ago and the Taliban and Al Qaeda have been lying to us. Or, he was kill yesterday as our own President and Government, says.
It's a vast international conspiracy armed at confusing the American people for what reason? To give Donald Trump time to locate the real Birth Certificate? Take our minds off of the Royal newlyweds so that they can honeymoon in peace? Or, so that the Aliens can secretly zap us with their invisible mind sapping ray?
There are those among us who would rather believe our enemies over our own people. (If the man's birth certificate was a fake don't you think Mr. & Mrs Clinton or the Republican Party would have exposed the fraud?)
People are going to believe what they want to believe regardless of the truth.
CookyJar
Here we go again.
And what difference would seeing the body make? Are you a forensic scientist, expert DNA Technician? Were you a personal friend of Osama? Could you I'd the body based on confidential knowledge of his body parts?
People are going to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the truth.
Keep it light Lurker X.
CookyJarOh, come on now Cooky, challenging my assumption that the Osama death is fake by asking me.
"Are you a forensic scientist, expert DNA Technician?". Is letting your leftist mentality run a muck.
Fact is, that dumping the body at sea is a convenient way to hide the fact that it really wasn't Osama they killed.
Forensic scientist from around the world would want to see that body and would be able to say with certainty if it is or isn't Osama.
That's why there's no body.
You've been drawn in by the hoax, like most of dumb-dumb America.
All the pics and video in the world won't provide proof because this is the digital age and anything can be faked on a computer with the current technology available to the federal Government.
There needs to be a body for the experts to examine and verify, to prove it to America, to the Arab world and to me, I don't believe the story line here about proper burial. That's a bunch of BullShit and shows that we are being lied to and lead into a world of shit.
Your conspiracies are nothing more than lies you tell yourself.
Double LOL! I would NEVER EVER make the mistake of believing Mr & Mrs Clinton! And I'll believe YOU and OBAMA when the latter unseals his school records, voluntarily, for everyone to see. You see,"there are more things in heave and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
1. 911? Bush advisors, including Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld, collaborated with bin Laden, and intentionally allowed the attacks to happen? Put another way, was it an inside job?
2. Moon Landing Hoax? American astronauts and NASA faked the Moon landing.
3. John F. Kennedys Assassination? If Oswald did act alone, who gave him the orders? Activists against Fidel Castro? Organized crime bosses? A jealous husband upset with Kennedy's philandering?
4. Roswell Crash Cover-Up? Theyre here
5. Big Pharmaceuticals?... the drug industry... doesnt want people to know about cures for diseases.
The ear of jealousy hears all things.
Solomon 1:10
CookyJar
Oh, come on now Cooky, challenging my assumption that the Osama death is fake by asking me.
"Are you a forensic scientist, expert DNA Technician?". Is letting your leftist mentality run a muck.
Fact is, that dumping the body at sea is a convenient way to hide the fact that it really wasn't Osama they killed.
Forensic scientist from around the world would want to see that body and would be able to say with certainty if it is or isn't Osama.
That's why there's no body.
You've been drawn in by the hoax, like most of dumb-dumb America.
All the pics and video in the world won't provide proof because this is the digital age and anything can be faked on a computer with the current technology available to the federal Government.
There needs to be a body for the experts to examine and verify, to prove it to America, to the Arab world and to me, I don't believe the story line here about proper burial. That's a bunch of BullShit and shows that we are being lied to and lead into a world of shit. The truth is what it is. And the truth is; if Jehovah himself did the forensics you wouldn't believe it. So; which is it? Is he still alive and his buddies are keeping him hidden because they don't want to embarrass the good ole USA and their Muslim pal Obama? Or was he killed (died) 6 or 7 years ago and the Taliban and Al Qaeda have been lying to us, and now they don't want the truth to come out because; it might hurt the USA's creditability? Or even better, there never was such a person; he was invented so that the government could pull off the 911 fiasco.
They took tissue samples, blood samples and did DNA testing. It's common practice to save the samples for additional testing (they wouldn't want this to get out because I believe it's against Islamic practices). You would not believe the results anyway. You would just claim that the scientists were paid off. And even if there were a body, you'd think it was a corpse made up using plastic surgery to look like Osama.
It doesn't matter whether it's Osama, JFK, Hitler, Princess Di, Aliens, Moon Walkers or a birth Certificate; you are going to believe what you want to believe regardless of the truth.
If they gave you a gun and put you in a room with Osama and you pulled the trigger yourself you would leave the room and swear the government pulled a fast one on you. You would believe there were blanks in the gun and a bullet proof vest on a dummy, filled with ketchup, dressed to look like Bin Laden.
For you, there are no truths just endless conspiracies. For dummies like me, it doesn't matter whether he is died or alive I've still got to get up in the morning and go to work.
CookyJar
Fact is, that dumping the body at sea is a convenient way to hide the fact that it really wasn't Osama they killed.Or it could be just what they said it was. The right thing to do.
Forensic scientist from around the world would want to see that body and would be able to say with certainty if it is or isn't Osama.
That's why there's no body. Where are you getting your "facts," from? Most Forensic scientist accept the governments explanation.
Couldn't just this once it be true?
I am not saying politician don't lie. They lie; cheat and they don't love sweet Jesus. But, there has to be some truth out there somewhere.
In the end it doesn't matter much anyhow, because you and I are still buds, hanging out at the bottom of the totem pole.
;)
CookyJar
Member #4860
05-03-11, 20:49
No one is talking about any conspiracies, just about credibility, of which Obama and the Clintons haven't any. And they have brought it upon themselves, frankly. But in any event, Obama should put his money where his mouth is and provide the proof that Bin Laden is dead. Just like he should release his school transcripts (no Donald Trumps need pressure him; it's just the right thing to do). Bottom line, politicians should not be trusted, but this one in particular has a higher burden just because he was elected our president.
Your conspiracies are nothing more than lies you tell yourself.
1. 911? Bush advisors, including Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld, collaborated with bin Laden, and intentionally allowed the attacks to happen? Put another way, was it an inside job?
2. Moon Landing Hoax? American astronauts and NASA faked the Moon landing.
3. John F. Kennedy's Assassination? If Oswald did act alone, who gave him the orders? Activists against Fidel Castro? Organized crime bosses? A jealous husband upset with Kennedy's philandering?
4. Roswell Crash Cover-Up? They're here.
5. Big Pharmaceuticals. The drug industry. Doesn't want people to know about cures for diseases.
The ear of jealousy hears all things.
CookyJar
Baltimonger
05-03-11, 23:32
No one is talking about any conspiracies, just about credibility, of which Obama and the Clintons haven't any. And they have brought it upon themselves, frankly. But in any event, Obama should put his money where his mouth is and provide the proof that Bin Laden is dead. Just like he should release his school transcripts (no Donald Trumps need pressure him; it's just the right thing to do). Bottom line, politicians should not be trusted, but this one in particular has a higher burden just because he was elected our president.And while he's at it, Obama should prove once and for all that the Hokey Pokey really is what its all about.
The truth is what it is. And the truth is; if Jehovah himself did the forensics you wouldn't believe it. So; which is it? Is he still alive and his buddies are keeping him hidden because they don't want to embarrass the good ole USA and their Muslim pal Obama? Or was he killed (died) 6 or 7 years ago and the Taliban and Al Qaeda have been lying to us, and now they don't want the truth to come out because; it might hurt the USA's creditability? Or even better, there never was such a person; he was invented so that the government could pull off the 911 fiasco.
They took tissue samples, blood samples and did DNA testing. It's common practice to save the samples for additional testing (they wouldn't want this to get out because I believe it's against Islamic practices). You would not believe the results anyway. You would just claim that the scientists were paid off. And even if there were a body, you'd think it was a corpse made up using plastic surgery to look like Osama.
It doesn't matter whether it's Osama, JFK, Hitler, Princess Di, Aliens, Moon Walkers or a birth Certificate; you are going to believe what you want to believe regardless of the truth.
If they gave you a gun and put you in a room with Osama and you pulled the trigger yourself you would leave the room and swear the government pulled a fast one on you. You would believe there were blanks in the gun and a bullet proof vest on a dummy, filled with ketchup, dressed to look like Bin Laden.
For you, there are no truths just endless conspiracies. For dummies like me, it doesn't matter whether he is died or alive I've still got to get up in the morning and go to work.
CookyJarThe question remains, why dump the body?
After a 10 year man hunt and hundreds of millions of dollars spent to find the most wanted man since the fall of the Third Reich, You've got him, with his corpse in custody.
So, what should you do as President?
Hold the body on the USS carl Vincent for foreign dignitaries to view and confirm with DNA, display the body on a web cam while preserved for all the world to see?
Nope, just take a supposed blood sample and some digital pics and dump the body over the side to sink to the bottom of the ocean.
Smacks of a hoax to me, and history will likely show this to be true.
G61
No one is talking about any conspiracies, just about credibility...I'm a curious? When and how did Obama lose his creditability? IMHO, the guys doing a fairly good job. He has been blamed for everything, including the crucifixion. I know the gays and the far right are not too happy with him. But, other than trying to fix our broken medical system and killing our #1 enermy what's he done that's so bad.
CookyJar
Mr Clubberman
05-04-11, 08:47
I'm a curious? When and how did Obama lose his creditability? IMHO, the guys doing a fairly good job. He has been blamed for everything, including the crucifixion. I know the gays and the far right are not too happy with him. But, other than trying to fix our broken medical system and killing our #1 enermy what's he done that's so bad.
CookyJarExcellent satire, CJ!
Member #4084
05-04-11, 12:33
I'm a curious? When and how did Obama lose his creditability? IMHO, the guys doing a fairly good job. He has been blamed for everything, including the crucifixion. I know the gays and the far right are not too happy with him. But, other than trying to fix our broken medical system and killing our #1 enermy what's he done that's so bad.
CookyJarHe's adding trillions to our dept, he bailed out companies that deserved to go under, he's letting Iran obtain nuclear weapons, he's about to tax the shit out of the middle class to help out the poor, he's letting the oil companies get away with murder, shall I keep going?
No! You must be kidding.
He's adding trillions to our dept, he bailed out companies that deserved to go under, he's letting Iran obtain nuclear weapons, he's about to tax the shit out of the middle class to help out the poor, he's letting the oil companies get away with murder, shall I keep going?Now you see, that how a lot of people get fooled. Think about it. Use your own brain and stop listening to the hype.
He has not been in office long enough to add trillions to anything. Trillions no. Billions maybe. Blame the rest on someone else. Our deficit has been around long before Obama came to office. You make it seem like we didn't owe anything, had a 0 deficit balance and Obama just went out and spent a trillion dollars on a fleet of Cadillac's and Kentucky fried chicken. The deficit was near or over a trillion dollars when Obama came into office. If you really want to know how the deficit got so high, look to Bush, the Iraq war, Haliburton and that last bunch of crooks who bleed the country dry before leaving office. Or, do you still believe there are WMDs and that we invaded Iraq to save the natives.
Bush started the bail outs. Clinton balanced the budget. The economy was on a nose dive long before Obama won the election or don't you remember the debates. That's how he won, remember. It wasn't because of the war; Obama won the election because no one trusted the other guy to fix an already broken economy.
If he had let the banks and big auto companies go under and our economy went down the drain he would have been damn for that damn if he did and damn if he didn't. The auto industry is way better; the banks have paid back the money with interest (the country made a profit) and the economy is slowly growing. Give the man a little credit. The country is better off now than when he took office. The real estate market and the stock market are on the mend. Inflation is under control. I'm still working and it sounds like you've still got a job so what's the problem. (Don't get me started on jobs unless you want to hear the real truth.)
Iran has been working on getting nukes way before Obama became President. The towel heads were trying to get nuclear weapons before Obama could vote. Reagan didn't stop them, nor did Bush #1, Clinton, Bush 2 and now you say it's Obama's fault. Right! Pakistan has one or two bombs (maybe 3 or 4 who knows), India has a couple, who let them get nukes. Obama? Let's blame everything on Obama. Iran didn't built their reactors in the last three years. (And don't forget, they had help from the USA to build their reactors.)They were doing the research when Bush was in office, why didn't he stop them. Oh! Yeah! I forgot! He was looking for WMDs in Iraq (when they were actually building them in Iran). Put the blame where it belongs.
The middle class always gets it in the behind. Obama didn't start that either. You should be asking yourself how come the upper class is getting off so light and why are they getting tax breaks.
The country may be going to hell but that slippery slope didn't just start three years ago.
You are blaming the man for stuff that hasn't even happened yet and may never happen. He is truly damned if he does and damned if he don't.
CookyJar
Cocknballs
05-04-11, 15:26
He's adding trillions to our dept, he bailed out companies that deserved to go under, he's letting Iran obtain nuclear weapons, he's about to tax the shit out of the middle class to help out the poor, he's letting the oil companies get away with murder, shall I keep going?No way can you be even close to serious! A substantial part of our debt is left over from Bush's bailouts (AIG, JP Morgan, the $700 Billion bailout of 2008, Freddie & Fannie, etc, etc) , not to mention the Billions we spend every year on Iraq. Which is a complete waste of money and lives. And speaking of bailing out companies who "deserved to go under", explain why Bush bailed out AIG, but let Bear Stearns go under! And oil companies? Excuse me while I laugh my ass off! The Pubs have been in their back pocket for decades!
Is Obama perfect? No. But at some point, people. Even the right-wing nut-jobs. Are going to have to realize that he's doing a hell of a lot better job than that dumb-ass who came before him. The economy is improving (slowly, but improving) and he got the guy who eluded stupid-ass Bush for 7 years! He's put in changes to fix the financial system that Bush fucked up, and he at least made an effort to fix the broken health care system. It is what it is.
The question remains, why dump the body?Because he is an intelligent man trying to fix an impossible situation. Unlike you and people who think like you, he is trying make things better not worse.
You may not realize this, but the Muslim world (and I) believes the USA is still fighting the crusades. They believe that Christian America is trying to destroy the Muslim religion. If you know anything about religious history then you know it's true. Christian zealots would not like anything better than to be able to send millions of missionaries around the world and convent every Muslim to Christianity. The crusades never ended. We are the crusaders. (Not me, you guys.)
There are those among us, Obama included, who would like for the Muslims to know that we are not fighting them. We want the world to know we are fighting Al Qaeda, theTaliban, terrorist and not the Muslim religion.
I hope they don't release the pictures. If I were a Muslim, it would offend me. Okay! You got him. You killed him. You don't have to rub my nose in it.
Why, if you know you got him, incite the crazy bastards if you don't have too.
That's why.
CookyJar
...at some point, people. Even the right-wing nut-jobs. Are going to have to realize that he's doing a hell of a lot better job than that dumb-ass who came before him.No they won't. Even if he works twice as hard, and does twice as good, he'll never get half the credit.
CookyJar
Davidonecall
05-04-11, 19:39
Because he is an intelligent man trying to fix an impossible situation. Unlike you and people who think like you, he is trying make things better not worse.
You may not realize this, but the Muslim world (and I) believes the USA is still fighting the crusades. They believe that Christian America is trying to destroy the Muslim religion. If you know anything about religious history then you know it's true. Christian zealots would not like anything better than to be able to send millions of missionaries around the world and convent every Muslim to Christianity. The crusades never ended. We are the crusaders. (Not me, you guys.)
There are those among us, Obama included, who would like for the Muslims to know that we are not fighting them. We want the world to know we are fighting Al Qaeda, theTaliban, terrorist and not the Muslim religion.
I hope they don't release the pictures. If I were a Muslim, it would offend me. Okay! You got him. You killed him. You don't have to rub my nose in it.
Why, if you know you got him, incite the crazy bastards if you don't have too.
That's why.
CookyJarI totally agree with his comment, Cookyjar is dead on. If people don't see it that way then that because they want to close there eyes to reality. Just my 2cent.
Mr Clubberman
05-04-11, 20:17
No they won't. Even if he works twice as hard, and does twice as good, he'll never get half the credit.
CookyJarYour satire is incredible!
Of course you could just be a fool and believe what you spew!
Because he is an intelligent man trying to fix an impossible situation. Unlike you and people who think like you, he is trying make things better not worse.
You may not realize this, but the Muslim world (and I) believes the USA is still fighting the crusades. They believe that Christian America is trying to destroy the Muslim religion. If you know anything about religious history then you know it's true. Christian zealots would not like anything better than to be able to send millions of missionaries around the world and convent every Muslim to Christianity. The crusades never ended. We are the crusaders. (Not me, you guys.)
There are those among us, Obama included, who would like for the Muslims to know that we are not fighting them. We want the world to know we are fighting Al Qaeda, theTaliban, terrorist and not the Muslim religion.
I hope they don't release the pictures. If I were a Muslim, it would offend me. Okay! You got him. You killed him. You don't have to rub my nose in it.
Why, if you know you got him, incite the crazy bastards if you don't have too.
That's why.
CookyJarOsama Bin Laden is the head of a terrorist network, the kind that saws off civilian's heads while they scream for their life, then post the vid on the internet.
They will not be nice if you hide the ugly stuff, they will bring it on against a coward and a liar which is how they see Obama.
And the Obama administration will be glad to use any opportunity to create a national emergency to suspend our rights, grab our guns and diminish our great society.
The Federal government will lie, falsify, and murder to protect it's interest. They're not somebody to mess with.
Just ask any relative of John F. Kennedy.
In 2000, Bill Clinton left office and the Liberal-Democrat establishment pulled together to crash the stock market, steeling billions of dollars while leaving the average worker with a 401K holding worthless paper.
They're going to do it again in 2012, but in a much more devastating manner.
If you're invested in Blue Chips, Mutuals or industrial stocks, get out by next year. Buy gold bullion.
You herd it here from Agent61.
Member #4860
05-05-11, 01:36
The question remains, why dump the body?Lurker, here's a possible answer to your question, which I believe is a good one. All I have to say is people will believe whatever they want, but as for me, I don't trust Obama, I didn't trust Bush, and I don't trust Washington. And no, I don't even own a gun! Call me a paranoid maniac if you want, but I simply do not trust our government.
One military veteran says there's no bones about it: bin Laden is alive.
May 4th. 2011 Michael Freeman.
ORLANDO As soon as President Obama held an unscheduled live press conference on Sunday night to annouce that terrorist Osama bin Laden had been killed by USA armed forces, the conspiracy theories immediately started: what if it isn't true?
Blogs quickly filled up with theories about why bin Laden might not have been assassinated by the USA Navy SEALS unit that stormed the compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
Bin Laden's body was buried at sea, in accordance with Muslim tradition.
No photos have been released yet of his body.
Some of the details of the attack including whether bin Laden was armed and whether or not he used a woman as a human shield have changed since Monday.
That's led some theorists to suspect that the White House is hiding something, although few have gone public to accuse the Obama administration of deliberately deceiving the American people about bin Laden's death.
David Raith, though, has no qualms about doing just that.
'He is not dead, ' Raith said. 'The military is trained to do these things and does not make a habit of killing an intelligence asset. '
Raith, who served in the Marines and is a contributor toFreeline Media Orlando, believes the expertly trained, highly specialized Navy SEALS unit, the most elite force in the military, did in fact storm the compound in Abbottabad where bin Laden was hiding. But all the details that followed that have left Raith feeling skeptical, at best. He no longer believes what the White House is reporting to the American people.
The White House said on Tuesday that bin Laden was unarmed when Navy SEALS burst into his room and shot him to death right above the eye. Raith doesn't buy a word of it.
A team as highly trained as the SEALS would have no problem disarming a 54-year-old man who was suffering from low blood pressure and an enlarged heart.
Capturing him would have been remarkably easy for the SEALS, Raith said.
'There's a million different ways of dismantling a target without killing him, ' Raith said, adding that bin Laden, taken alive, could have provided the USA with a wealth of valuable information about the activities of Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations in the Middle East. Assassinating him, Raith added, would have been counter productive.
'The military doesn't make a practice of killing people they can use later, ' he said. 'History shows they don't make a habit of killing an intelligence asset. When he dies, the information dies with him. '
That's why Raith has concluded that bin Laden is alive, and in the custody of the USA military and the Central Intelligence Agency.
Other aspects of the White House's report of what happened in the compound also don't ring true to Raith. On Monday, USA officials said a woman in the room with bin Laden had acted as a human shield to protect the terrorist leader from the SEALS, and had been killed in the firefight. But on Tuesday, the White House changed its story, and said the woman, later identified as the wife of the Al-Qaeda leader, has been shot in the leg and taken into custody by USA commandos.
If this is true, Raith said, it once again cuts big gaping holes in the entire story.
'So they shot her in the leg, but they shot him in the face? ' he asked. 'This shows you how well these people can aim. Why would they have shot him? These guys are trained to where they don't have to shoot him. They're not going to aim for the head. They're good shots. Chances are they were carrying AR15s' a semi-automatic rifle 'a very accurate firearm up to 400 yards. They wouldn't have had to disarm him. He wasn't armed. You grab him and throw him on the floor and cuff him up. '
It doesn't help, he said, that the Obama administration is stalling on whether to release photos of bin Laden's corpse, which the White House has described as 'gruesome' and potentially inflammatory. Raith said he believes bin Laden is now in USA custody, being interrogated and, quite possibly, is being subjected to torture.
Since President Obama announced on Sunday that bin Laden had been killed, there have been some reports indicated that waterboarding, an interrogation tactic, was integral to extracting information several years ago from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Faraj al-Libi, information that eventually helped the United States track down bin Laden.
Raith said the White House decided to claim bin Laden had died because the government doesn't 'want people to question, 'Okay, you've got him in custody, what are you going to do to him? Are you going to torture him? ' '
That, Raith said, is why the White House is covering up bin Laden's capture, and the fact that he's still alive today.
It's a totally plausible and sensible theory, said Dexter Miller, the co-host of The Freeline Media Hour radio show.
'That's as plausible as anything I've heard so far from any source, ' Miller said of Raith's theory. 'It's entirely plausible that's the deal, and he's being interrogated as we speak. There is no proof the man is dead. '
Raith and Miller, who both voted for Republican John McCain for president in 2008 rather than Obama, insist there are too many holes in the White House's story to be easily ignored.
'As I stated on the radio show on Tuesday, when I first heard the story I was in total disbelief, ' Miller said. 'As the day went on, so many people were on board with the story, and they knew more about the details than I did, so I decided to go along with it.
'And now today, ' he added, 'I hear they are not going to release the pictures, which puts another huge chink in my belief system. I'll keep saying that until there is some kind of photographic evidence that will satisfy not only me, but everyone else. '
Other small details nag at him and sound implausible, Miller added.
'That sea burial in the middle of the night that's too convenient, ' he said.
Miller also agreed with Raith that the Navy SEALS would have no trouble taking bin Laden prisoner, unharmed.
'Even though bin Laden said he would not surrender, it was 20 to one, ' Miller said. 'That's 20 against a mostly frail man. '
Miller, who served in the Navy in the 1960s during the Vietnam War, said one thing just might convince him that the White House has told the entire truth since Sunday night.
'The only thing that keeps me from completely believing this is a hoax, ' Miller said, 'is I couldn't believe the Navy SEALS allowed themselves to be a part of a staged play. I would hate to think our USA Navy SEALS were involved in that. '
Contact us at FreelineOrlando@Gmail.com.
Written by: Michael Freeman for Freeline Media on May 4, 2011.
Lurker, here's a possible answer to your question, which I believe is a good one. All I have to say is people will believe whatever they want, but as for me, I don't trust Obama, I didn't trust Bush, and I don't trust Washington. And no, I don't even own a gun! Call me a paranoid maniac if you want, but I simply do not trust our government.
One military veteran says there's no bones about it: bin Laden is alive.
May 4th. 2011 Michael Freeman.In my world, credibility is everything, anyone here can see that by my post.
No long detailed story about how great my encounter with a hoe was, I let my camera do my talking with graphic images and video presentations.
I'm not relying on the readers imagination, just taking my word for the credibility aspect.
And when it comes to taking credit for the killing of the world's most wanted man, I'm not taking Barack Obama's word for it.
One military veteran says there's no bones about it: bin Laden is alive. This is from an 70 year old ex-sailor who probably never saw any real combat. (There were very few Navy personnel who saw combat duty in Vietnam. A few navy medics did serve with Marine grut units. Next to the National Guard, the Navy was the go to unit for avoiding the draft and combat duty in Vietnam.) Of cause you would believe this learned gentleman over your President. (He is your President. You can say he isn't, that doesn't make it true. If you are a true American, it doesn't matter whether you voted for him or not, according to the Constitution of the United States he is your President. If you have any pride what-so-ever in being an American, you should be backing your President.
Back in my day we had a saying for un-American commie bastards, "Love it or Leave it." Isn't that right Lurker X (code name: Agent61)
I am okay with this. I don't believe it but I'm okay with it. Died or Alive is what the arrest warrant read. And what's more important, it's more in line with what Lurker X's (Code name: Agent 61) "Great Society," is all about water boarding.
. They will bring it on against a coward and a liar which is how they see Obama.
You herd it here from Agent61. Lurker X (code name: Agent61) ,
How do you know how the terrorist see Obama; you been talking to them?
The Germans thought the same thing about Eisenhower. They thought we had a cripple, frill ass for a leader. But make no mistakes about it, once the American war machine, the people got behind FDR we kicked your Nazi friend's ass. Then we got behind JFK and beat your Commie friends to the Moon. (Were are they now; a third rate super power, after the Chinese.) And if that pussy ass Republican President Nixon hadn't got in the way we would have kick them out of Vietnam. All this shit happened because we got behind our President, we took a little pride in being Americans. Like I said, back in my day, people didn't take side with the enemy. If you don't respect your own President, how the hell do you expect the Taliban and Al Qaeda to respect him? The terrorist don't have to bad mouth our President. They've got his own countrymen to do that for them.
Think about this: After nine eleven, Bin Laden ran like a little girl coward and hid, afraid to show his face. He hid behind his followers who lived in the desert eating goat, while he lived in a mansion, talked to Allah and drank Pepsi. I cannot think of a more cowardly leader; yet, his own people never turned him in, even with a multi-million dollar reward they never gave him up. More importantly, coward that he was; his followers, his people backed him, praised and never spoke bad of him. On the other hand, my President, President Obama, bravely speaks in public, openly in front of his worse enemies, homegrown racist terrorist, Muslim terrorist and all the other nuts out there who would like to see him killed. IMHO, the terrorist probably respect Obama for being brave enough to stand up for and in front of, a country where so many people hate him for no reason. That takes balls. I wouldn't do it. Would you?
Like you said, "Ask the kennedys." They killed JFK and they liked him. What do you think they'd do to Obama if given the chance?
CookyJar.
PS: Lurker X, we have been on this site for a long time. I've gotten to know you. We can talk and argue politics. In the heat of the argument, I might call you a stupid old redxxxx and you might call me a dumb old Nxxxxx. I'd likely bust you in the nose and you'd hit me in the lip. We'd role on the floor fighting our hearts out. In the end, we'd still be two ex-Marines friends and in a firefight I'd have your back and know you'd have mine. Right?
Capturing him would have been remarkably easy for the SEALS, Raith said.More over the top bullcrap from some guy who probably never shot a weapon in anger. Nothing is easy in combat.
Now I am going to tell you some truth. Not what I heard but what I know. I've been there and I done that. I wasn't a Navy Seal, Marine Recon or Army Special Forces. When I served I laughed at those guys, the guys in my unit thought them all to be a bunch of Gun Ho Lifers. I respected them, they are some bad asses and you've got to be a little crazy to do what they do. I was just your every day young Marine, in charge of a small unit of Ontos.
Here is how it went. After that first helicopter went down, all bets were off. Everything changed. If I had been the unit commander, the new orders of the day would have been shoot on sight. You can shoot and wound or not shoot anybody else but, if you see that asshole, shoot 'em died. Why? Because things happen in battle. You can plan and plan, you can plan as much as you want, you can plan until you ass is dragging, you can even plan for the unexpected, but, once the shooting starts and all hell breaks out, the best laid plans of both mice and men turn to shit.
The original plan had to have changed the moment the first helicopter went down. The original plan, what ever it was, had to of been based on them having two helicopters. And the original plan did not count on them having to destroy the downed chopper. As good as they were, they were not able to completely destroy the chopper they left behind, so they must have been a little rushed.
Suppose the Seals had wounded him, handcuffed him and then been attacked by fifty of his private guard and fifty more Pakistani American haters, one of his other sons, his other wife. And while they were fighting them off, bin Laden slithered off into his bomb proof safe room. Or to make this fiction simpler, suppose they had wounded him and he somehow managed to get away. Shit happens.
In this type of operation, especially once the element of surprise was lost, you take no chances. The one way to be certain you got him is to shoot the fucker in the chest around the heart and in the head, just in case he has on body armor. After you have done that, after you are sure the bastard is died, no matter what else happens; even if you are captured or killed, even if you cannot take out the body no matter what happens next you've accomplished your mission. That the way it's done. That's real.
Like I said, I was not part of any special unit. I was trained first as an Infantry Marine, and then as an Ontos Commander. In Vietnam, under combat conditions, once the shooting started there was but one surpreme rule, "Kill them before they kill you." You can worry about the next thing, next. If you want to be sure there is going to be a next thing, Kick ass first and take names later. None of that John Wayne, Gun Ho hero bullshit. None of that TV, hero crap. It's do what you got to do and get the fuck out of there. Navy Seals are brave, they may be a little crazy, but they ain't stupid. I am sure they would be the first to tell you, when it comes too died or alive died is way easier than alive.
Died would have been my first choice. Carrying a died body is just as easy as dragging a knocked out fucker, in fact it may be easier. Two guys can drag a died body by its feet and you don't have to worry about what's happening at the other end. And if you have to drop and leave without it who cares he is died.
I am an ex-combat Marine. In combat, you shoot to kill always. That what I know not what I heard. (Why didn't they kill the girl? I don't know, I wasn't there. Maybe it was because she wasn't a danger, maybe because she wasn't the enemy that's the way we were trained. If she had had a gun, things would have been different. They may have even shot her after they shot him. I would have so she wouldn't get in the way of our taking the body.)
The Navy Seals did what they are trained to do. They killed him.
That's my theory. That's what I would have done.
CookyJar
Cocknballs
05-05-11, 12:49
No they won't. Even if he works twice as hard, and does twice as good, he'll never get half the credit.
CookyJarRealizing and admitting are two different things. You are right, they'll NEVER admit!
I agree with CookyJar on all he said.
Since this happened I've wondered about the Navy Seals concern about booby-traps, especially that bin Laden's room would have been booby-trapped when he slept.
It was a whole lot safer for our guys to shoot him and drag the body out than take him into custody. That would have meant three Navy Seals had to be concerned with him and if they had to shoot their way out of there that would be three less shooters available to shoot.
And if they brought him out of there alive, what then? A trial? We're better off the way this ended. That may have been the plan all along.
Another thing. My bet is there were a lot more resources in the air and on the ground than we know about. I bet other forces landed minutes earlier and set up a perimeter around the complex to keep everyone else out or in the alternative, the perimeter was protected by close air support. I bet medics were there somewhere. I bet it was not just a flight of four helicopters and two landed as the news reported. Those other two were there to complete the mission if something went wrong with the first two.
I feel sorry for the pilot who lost control landing. That will always bother him. His big chance.
I'm not sure we know the story about that helicopter accident either. The odds are against you walking away from a helicopter accident, even loss of control close to the ground, in this case, the roof. The rotors are turning, they hit something and the fuselage cartwheels; fuel leaks; fire; explosion; I'm not buying they had a hard landing and everybody got out to complete thier share of the mission. There's more to it.
I hope Bob Woodward was invited into the sanctum sanctorum of the White House that final two weeks so a book will come out with a good and truthful account of this. I can't wait to read it.
Roamin Roman
05-05-11, 21:10
You may not realize this, but the Muslim world (and I) believes the USA is still fighting the crusades. They believe that Christian America is trying to destroy the Muslim religion. If you know anything about religious history then you know it's true. Christian zealots would not like anything better than to be able to send millions of missionaries around the world and convent every Muslim to Christianity. The crusades never ended. We are the crusaders. (Not me, you guys.)I'm not going to take sides in this debate. It would be pointless, because the already-convinced are not going to change their minds. But, since I do know religious history, I will provide some perspective here, just so we don't inadvertantly whitewash history and leave folks with a distorted view. We do need to keep history in its proper (and accurate) perspective and context.
It's true, many in the Muslim world refer to "the West," Christians in general, and America in particular as "Crusaders" precisely for religious reasons. America and "the West" has its roots in Christianity, just as nearly all of the Middle East has been Islamic since the about A. D. 750 onward.
But let's be clear: Islam spread at the point of a sword and sought (and still seeks) to destroy any other religion that stands in its way. It did not spread, first throughout the Arabian Peninsula, then across the Middle East and North Africa, and elsewhere via peaceful means. There were religions in those areas before Islam arrived and destroyed them. And the choice that the invading Islamists gave to those people was convert or die (or, perhaps, to live in dhimmitude).
Now, as to those Crusaders: Please recall that the Medieval activities known commonly as the Crusades began circa A. D. 1095 when the Byzatine emporor Alexis I appealed to Pope Urban II for soldiers to help repel the incursions of Muslim invaders into Byzantine lands. This was not an attack initiated by Christians against Muslims. This was a response to attacks by Muslims seeking to impose their religion on Christians in the Byzantine Empire. So, the implied notion that Christians were the initial aggressors is simply wrong from an historical perspective. If you know anything about religious history.
But even before this period, the Muslims were busily attacking and attempting to subjugate Europe. If the name of Charles Martel doesn't ring any bells, then you don't know your European (or religious) history, amigo. Charles Martel, who was the grandfather of Charlemagne, is best known for his role at the Battle of Tours (in present-day France) where he led the Frankish forces and defeated the invading Muslim armies. This halted the expansion of Islam into Western Europe. Oh, I forgot to mention the date: The year was A. D. 732, about 465 year BEFORE the Crusades began.
You can see that Islam was the aggressor, with respect to Christian nations, from its earliest times. Have Christian (or "Western") nations subsequently subdued Islamic lands (that had other religions prior to the arrival of Islam)? Yes, but much if not most of that occurred since the 1800s and it was primarily European (as opposed to American) nations that did that.
So, if you're going to imply blame on Christian nations, or Christians in general, by suggesting that they were the ones who began this old fight, you're sorely mistaken and uninformed. And, if you're going to then denigrate them by calling them zealots (while ignoring or excusing identical behavior on the part of the Islamists) , and falsely stating that Christians are trying to destroy Islam (while again ignoring or excusing far more egregious Islamic behavior) , then you are being intellectually dishonest or lazy or both.
If you just don't like Christians, fine. Just say so. But please don't stand on Moount Olympus, pointing a finger down at Christians for some presumed or real offense, yet excuse the same or worse when looking at Muslims. That reflects poorly on you (not us guys, but you).
And one last thing: Lest one think that America was the one that picked a fight with Islam, that also is not true. If you know anything about American history. And it has its warts and ugly parts. You know that it was Islam that picked the fight with America. In fact, you. Who claims to have been a Marine. You should be familiar with that part of the Marine Corps hymn that says,"to the shores of Tripoli." That refers to the troops that President Thomas Jefferson sent to free American citizens that the Barbary pirates (Muslims) had taken hostage and were demanding ransom for. Once again, it was Islam that attacked America and the West first.
R:R
Member #4860
05-05-11, 23:27
We'll never get the full truth about this, at least not for many years. It's just the nature of the beast, Washington that is. If you've been following the latest reports you'll note that now there "wasn't even a firefight", as only one man, the courier, was armed. Some confrontation, hey? No wonder some people are alleging the government took Bin Laden and is holding him captive to gain intelligence info. This changing story and not releasing the pics, and the speedy burial at sea, and no evidence other than what the government says, and the fact that this president is shiftier than most, only lend credence to the theories of many out there that the White House is not being truthful, and when you cannot trust, well, you can imagine the rest.
I agree with CookyJar on all he said.
I hope Bob Woodward was invited into the sanctum sanctorum of the White House that final two weeks so a book will come out with a good and truthful account of this. I can't wait to read it.
the fact that this president is shiftier than most,
What fact? Where does that fact come from? Are you saying he is shiftier than WMDs? Do you really believe that he is shifter than Richard and Watergate? Shiftier than Bush senior and, 'No new taxes. ' You think Obama is shiftier than Bill Clinton and, "I did not have sexual relations with that ugly MotherFucker." Why? Because he is Black? The worse thing the man has done is capture Public Enemy #1.
...lend credence to the theories of many out there that the White House is not being truthful, and when you cannot trust, well, you can imagine the rest.Don't say many, if you cannot prove it's many. In reality it is very few. So far I have seen a large number of people celebrating what they believe to be true; the death of Bin Laden. I have not seen or heard of one single demonstration by a group claiming it is a fraud. Most politicians from both sides, the major media, and the entire rest of the world think Osama bin Laden was recently killed by American Navy Seals whatever the rest of the story turns out to be.
You and a trifling few others are taking a couple of half truths and twisting them to serve your own unbelievable theories and further your own sick agendas. You are basing your claim that the government is hiding information because of the information they recently disclosed. How sick is that? As more information is declassified the more is passed on to the general public. That's called, "Full Disclosure."
You are going to believe what you want to believe regardless of the truth.
CookyJar
CookyJar,
PS: Lurker X, we have been on this site for a long time. I've gotten to know you. We can talk and argue politics. In the heat of the argument, I might call you a stupid old redxxxx and you might call me a dumb old Nxxxxx. I'd likely bust you in the nose and you'd hit me in the lip. We'd role on the floor fighting our hearts out. In the end, we'd still be two ex-Marines friends and in a firefight I'd have your back and know you'd have mine. Right?Yup, worrying too much about is politics is stupid stupid, and you are my all time favorite monger here.
Glenn61 (originally) , aka Agent61 (on Porn-Hub) , aka LurkerX (here)
I'm not going to take sides in this debate. It would be pointless.
It's true, many in the Muslim world refer to "the West," Christians in general, and America in particular as "Crusaders" precisely for religious reasons. America and "the West" has its roots in Christianity, just as nearly all of the Middle East has been Islamic since the about A. D. 750 onward. I believe that you crossed a line, and did enter into the debate. Once you left the historical past and commented on modern beliefs, you entered into the debate. By your agreement with my statement, you entered into the debate. Your conclusion that I was somehow placing blame is another inclusion in the debate.
Your historical suggestions, as interesting as they are, should not be considered historical fact until they have been proven factorial and not historical hearsay. I am certain that the Islamic historical records come to a different conclusion. Islamic scholars and Islamic History tell a different story and comes to conclusions different from yours. For these reasons and others, I believe history should be viewed as a record, a guide and not a leader. History should not be the sole reason for why we act. History doesn't lie, but historians do. Moreover historical facts are often clouded by time. I am not saying that you are wrong. I am saying, I don't know if you are right.
After all, neither you nor I were present to see who threw the first stone. If you look hard enough you can find history books that state the sun travels around the earth. You don't have to look very hard to find history books that deny evolution and states that the world was created in 7 days. There is a history that denies the holocaust. There is a history that claims aliens built the pyramids. If you look, you can find a history for almost anything. Again! I am not saying you are wrong for believing what you believe. I am saying that I don't necessarily have to believe it just because you say it is fact.
So, if you're going to imply blame on Christian nations, or Christians in general, by suggesting that they were the ones who began this old fight, you're sorely mistaken and uninformed. And, if you're going to then denigrate them by calling them zealots (while ignoring or excusing identical behavior on the part of the Islamists) , and falsely stating that Christians are trying to destroy Islam (while again ignoring or excusing far more egregious Islamic behavior) , then you are being intellectually dishonest or lazy or both.
If you just don't like Christians, fine. Just say so. But please don't stand on Moount Olympus, pointing a finger down at Christians for some presumed or real offense, yet excuse the same or worse when looking at Muslims. That reflects poorly on you (not us guys, but you).
And one last thing: Lest one think that America was the one that picked a fight with Islam, that also is not true. If you know anything about American history. And it has its warts and ugly parts. You know that it was Islam that picked the fight with America. In fact, you. Who claims to have been a Marine. You should be familiar with that part of the Marine Corps hymn that says,"to the shores of Tripoli." That refers to the troops that President Thomas Jefferson sent to free American citizens that the Barbary pirates (Muslims) had taken hostage and were demanding ransom for. Once again, it was Islam that attacked America and the West first.
R:RI never said or implied a dislike for Christians. Some of my best friends are Christians. I married a Christian. Some of my best friends are Muslim. My most favorite person on this planet is a Muslim I would give my life for him. As far as American history goes all of it is ugly with warts. From slavery, the treatment of the Indians, the treatment of the Aztecs, treatment of the Eskimos, treatment of the Jews, treatment of the Italians, Irish, and Hispanics, the bombing of the Japs, Vietnamese, Iraqians, and Afghans to the destroying of the environment; from its beginning American history has been one big wart after another. And yes I am proudly a Marine who fought but not in Tripoli. Once again I'd like to inform you, I wasn't there, I am not sure of the right or wrong of whatever happened in Tripoli. In fact, the truth is, I couldn't tell you who were right or wrong in Vietnam where I did fight. Especially since, the people I was fighting (the enemy) now live and own property in my old neighborhood. Maybe that's why we were fighting so that they could come over here who knows. From my point of view, neither side ever accepts their proper portion of blame.
I was not trying to make a religious statement or place any type of blame anywhere or on anyone. I merely wanted to pass on some information. It is (as you know) information that is not widely known. It is rarely (if ever) mentioned in the poplar media. In this country we speak of a, "War on Terrorism," not a religious war or a crusade. We saw Ben Laden as a terrorist. Many Muslims in countries around the world saw Osama bin Laden as a religious leader and for them he was not a terrorist but a defender of their faith. Our President, an intelligent man, choose not to provoke further those believers of Allah, who want to believe that we attacked their religion. By following Muslim beliefs and burying the body within 24 hours and later by not displaying the pictures, I believe, he is trying to show Muslims and Christians that we punished a terrorist and were not attacking his religion. I think these were wise decisions by a man who is not letting history dictate his actions. IMHO, he is trying to protect the future, not repeat the past.
Wisdom is not a prized commodity in this country.
The Buddha teaches the path to enlightenment. Tolerance and acceptance precedes the way of the enlightened.
CookyJar
How about this, Al Qaeda confirms that Osama Bin Laden was killed in the US raid on at the Pakistan compound.
President numb-nuts actually got a break here when the terrorist themselves bring credibility to the situation.
Barack Obama was incapable of leading and presenting the American people with credible proof that Bin Laden was dead, so we have to look to the terrorist to be certain.
Fuckin sad.
An incompetent goofball Socialist leading the most powerful country on the planet.
http://www.examiner.com/geopolitics-in-national/al-qaeda-confirms-osama-s-death-puts-to-rest-u-s-hoax-rumors
How about this, Al Qaeda confirms that Osama Bin Laden was killed in the US raid on at the Pakistan compound.
President numb-nuts actually got a break here when the terrorist themselves bring credibility to the situation. You'd rather believe the enemy.
I give up.
I'll tell you what's sad. Bin Laden was living in suburbs during most of the Bush admin. Our biggest enemy got to live longer after killing 3000 of our family, friends and neighbors because we were off looking for non-existing WMDs.
Talk about incompetent.
You should stop reading that Fascist crap.
CookyJar
You'd rather believe the enemy.
I give up.
I'll tell you what's sad. Bin Laden was living in suburbs during most of the Bush admin. Our biggest enemy got to live longer after killing 3000 of our family, friends and neighbors because we were off looking for non-existing WMDs.
Talk about incompetent.
You should stop reading that Fascist crap.
CookyJarI'm not defending GW Bush. He's a goofball too, but he's not an out and out Socialist.
Indisputable proof of the demise of Osama Bin Laden has finally surfaced.
Roamin Roman
05-07-11, 15:48
You've painted yourself into a corner there, CJ. After I pointed out some inconvenient facts (inconvenient to your Statements about history) , you sound quite agnostic with regard to just how factual the historical narrative really is.
History doesn't lie, but historians do. Moreover historical facts are often clouded by time. I am not saying that you are wrong. I am saying, I don't know if you are right. ...Again, I am not saying you are wrong for believing what you believe. I am saying that I don't necessarily have to believe it just because you say it is fact.Yet, in an ealier post, you were a lot less amivalent about the historical narrative, perhaps because you Were the one offering it as fact.
If you know anything about religious history then you know it's true.Ya can't have it both ways, CJ. If you're going to couch your Arguments with a certainty about history ("If you know anything about religious history. ") , then you'll have to grant that same privilege to others. Otherwise, when you start asserting that their Knowledge of history isn't as certain as your own, you look like someone who's retreating to a safe harbor for convenience.
And, by the way, you might want to check your factbook regarding this statement you made:
As far as American history goes all of it is ugly with warts. From slavery, the treatment of the Indians, the treatment of the Aztecs, treatment of the Eskimos, treatment of the Jews, treatment of the Italians, Irish, and Hispanics, the bombing of the Japs, Vietnamese, Iraqians, and Afghans to the destroying of the environment; from its beginning American history has been one big wart after another.The Aztecs were never part of this country's history. They were long gone before 1776. Also, please bear in mind that slavery was something that the British brought to this continent. When the Founders ratfieid the Constitution in 1789, they intentionally set in place in that document an end to slavery. It just took a few more decades to eradicate it.
And don't forget, while you're concentrating on that "one big wart after another," that nearly half a million Americans deid to put an end to slavery. As to your other claims in the above diatribe, well, I won't question your patriotism but I do wonder why you seem so obsessed with looking at the warts but so oblivious to all the much greater good that this nation has done. Based on your statements, your perspective is skewed and way out of balance. It reminds me of that bumper sticker from the late 1960s: "My country, always Wrong. " I'm glad you consider America your country, CJ. I just don't think you consider it very much, though.
Roamin Roman
05-07-11, 16:03
Wisdom is not a prized commodity in this country.
The Buddha teaches the path to enlightenment. Tolerance and acceptance precedes the way of the enlightened.These are both very dogmatic assertions on your part, CJ. Do you proffer them as fact or as opinion?
Also, when you state that "tolerance and acceptance precedes the way of the enlightened," are you claiming to be more tolerant and accepting (and, therefore, more enlightened) than others on this board? More tolerant and enlightened than those whom you meet every day? If you are making that claim, then that speaks volumes about how you view your fellow mongers. But, if you're not making that claim, it still begs the question as to how you knew this truth yet thought others didn't know it. And that still paints you as someone who sees himself as superior to others.
I ask this only because I, myself, do not stand on top of Mount Olympus, looking down on lesser folks. I'm just happy to live amongst my fellow Americans. Why don't you come down from your high perch and join us?
Mr Clubberman
05-08-11, 01:23
Some idiot (s) keep mentioning WMDs and W. Correct me if I am incorrect, but I do not think W ever said that HE discovered them, but rather was relying on our intelligence services. One can include in the group, many other countries leaders and their intelligence services, throughout the world, as well as many others in the US government. Perhaps clinton comes to mind?
This is refreshing, women in America wanting to be safe as sluts.
Sounds good to me, I mean, an out of work sl ut becomes a wh0re to make ends meet, and then you toss in a drug habit, and presto!
Street Walker fun for all daring enough to hit the streets and find them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/20/slutwalk-united-states-city_n_851725.html
What corner? Ambivalent? This was never supposed to be about history. My original comments were on modern day Crusaders, as they related to current events. You imposed your version of a history lesson.
The Aztecs were never part of this country's history. They were long gone before 1776. Also, please bear in mind that slavery was something that the British brought to this continent. When the Founders ratfieid the Constitution in 1789, they intentionally set in place in that document an end to slavery. It just took a few more decades to eradicate it.
And don't forget, while you're concentrating on that "one big wart after another," that nearly half a million Americans deid to put an end to slavery. As to your other claims in the above diatribe, well, I won't question your patriotism but I do wonder why you seem so obsessed with looking at the warts but so oblivious to all the much greater good that this nation has done. Based on your statements, your perspective is skewed and way out of balance. It reminds me of that bumper sticker from the late 1960s: "My country, always Wrong. " I'm glad you consider America your country, CJ. I just don't think you consider it much, though. Roamin Roman,
You said, my "perspective is skewed and way out of balance." Would you be more precise? Don't just say something without giving an example. Where is my perspective skewed?
Here, I will give you an example of what I am talking about. Let's say; I said something like, "You were wrong." Having said you were wrong, I should at least show a small example. You were wrong when you said, "that nearly half a million Americans died to put an end to slavery." Here is why I am saying you are wrong. The number most quoted for death, both sides, during the civil war is 620, 000. However, 258, 000 of those who died were fighting for the south, to keep slavery. See! I didn't just make a statement without trying to back it up. Get it?
As far as my allegiance to my country goes: I fought for it, I pay taxes, I vote and when I die; I'll be buried in it, what else do you want. Oh! I know what you want. You want me to say, I love it, it's the best country in the world, has never done any wrong and gods on our side and no one else's. Is that what you want? You got it.
I came down here to Miami to visit with an old buddy, Lurker X. He is a butt head rightwing Fascist. He calls me a leftist liberal (Liberal is a dirty word to Lurker X) socialist pig. I am better looking than he is and he is smarter than me. Do I think I am better than he is you damn straight I do. Does he think he is better than I am probably? I am better than some and worse than others. There I said it. So! Where is this, "Mount Olympus," place you are talking about? I want to stand on it.
I had no intentions of staying this long. The weather is nice up north; it spring and I've got a few girls I should be fucking. So! I am going to end this non-debate by letting you have the last word.
I want to clear-up a few points and then you can have the last say.
1. Events in history cannot be restricted by numbers on a clock or calendar. The forces of history cannot be enclosed by dotted lines or boundaries on a map. The germs that caused the warts on the face of America came from across the Atlantic with the English, French and Spanish long before 1776. Intolerance came across the Atlantic on the Mayflower. It came into the west from south of the border with the Spanish. It slithered drown from Canada with the French. Just because someone changed a name on the globe, drew some lines on a map and wrote down a few high sounding words does not dissolve them of their past and the events that preceded their future. Slavery did not start in 1776. The encroachment of Indian lands did not start in 1776. America did not start in 1776. The notions and ideas, the people who became America were around long before 1776.
The same germ that infected the Aztecs and American Indian, infected the American Slaves religious intolerance and the failure to accept the rights of other races. Came to this country alone with the measles, mumps and other European diseases.
So to my way of thinking, I was right to include the Aztecs along with the other warts on America's face.
2. There is a quote that I've been looking for and trying to find for years. I am going to paraphrase it, "What is held important in a society will be produced by that society." I cannot remember whether it came from Aristotle, Plato or Socrates, but I always thought the quote made sense. In America, movie stars, basketball players, TV weather girls, politicians, lawyers (I hate lawyers) , low level computer techs, shop owners, high class prostitutes, paperback romance writers, trash and garbage men and damn near every other profession are paid more than teachers and professors. Our colleges and universities are run like businesses rather than places of learning. Our public school system is a joke. What America produces is what America worships Reality Shows. Wisdom is not appreciated in this country. Oops! I said it again.
3. The Buddha is enlightened. He teaches enlightenment, not me. I am not enlightened, nor am I following the path of the enlightened. However, I do believe, "tolerance and acceptance precedes the way of the enlightened." Apparently you do not.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
Aristotle
CookyJar
Indisputable proof of the demise of Osama Bin Laden has finally surfaced."No matter what Obama says, bin Laden's not dead until Donald Trump see's his death certificate."
ROFLMAS.
CookyJar
Georges Life
05-10-11, 00:08
"No matter what Obama says, bin Laden's not dead until Donald Trump see's his death certificate."
ROFLMAS.
CookyJarIs that Hank the Dwarf?
Lurker 2009
05-10-11, 01:08
Some idiot (s) keep mentioning WMDs and W. Correct me if I am incorrect, but I do not think W ever said that HE discovered them, but rather was relying on our intelligence services. One can include in the group, many other countries leaders and their intelligence services, throughout the world, as well as many others in the US government. Perhaps clinton comes to mind?W sent us to war with Iraq based upon the "fact" that out intelligence services reported that Iraq had WMD and were planning to use them against the US. He rallied public support based on his claims, which he said was supported by intelligence, that there were WMDs in Iraq.
Problem is, Bush had no intelligence that there were WMDs. It was discovered some time later, after our troops failed to find any signs of WMDs, that Bush had lied the country and our allies. The intelligence agencies had actually informed him that reports of WMDs were actually false. But Bush lied, rallied the country and sent us to war.
No one knows how history will play out. Maybe in the long run, this may benefit the counrty, But so far it has been the biggest F-up in American history. Thousands of American lives were lost. The region is more unstable. Iran has been greatly strengthened, and has infiltrated their long time enemy Iraq. The money spent on the war has ruined our economy. And it most likely set us up for failure in Afghanistan by spreading our forces too thin. We should have left Iraq alone as it was NOT a threat to our security, went full on into Afghanistan. We probably owuld have been out of there years ago.
Mr Clubberman
05-11-11, 08:03
I now understand how easy it would be to fix the worlds problems, starting in the middle east. We just need to have the all KNOWING, all SEEING, Lurker 2009 run the show! He has all the answers!
Wrong answers, of course!
W sent us to war with Iraq based upon the "fact" that out intelligence services reported that Iraq had WMD and were planning to use them against the US. He rallied public support based on his claims, which he said was supported by intelligence, that there were WMDs in Iraq.
Problem is, Bush had no intelligence that there were WMDs. It was discovered some time later, after our troops failed to find any signs of WMDs, that Bush had lied the country and our allies. The intelligence agencies had actually informed him that reports of WMDs were actually false. But Bush lied, rallied the country and sent us to war.
No one knows how history will play out. Maybe in the long run, this may benefit the counrty, But so far it has been the biggest F-up in American history. Thousands of American lives were lost. The region is more unstable. Iran has been greatly strengthened, and has infiltrated their long time enemy Iraq. The money spent on the war has ruined our economy. And it most likely set us up for failure in Afghanistan by spreading our forces too thin. We should have left Iraq alone as it was NOT a threat to our security, went full on into Afghanistan. We probably owuld have been out of there years ago.
Arealfreak2000
05-11-11, 10:13
Where the hell do you get this information from? I don't think even MSNBC would make this up. You hate W, fine. But you sound ignorant when you come up with stories such as this.
W sent us to war with Iraq based upon the "fact" that out intelligence services reported that Iraq had WMD and were planning to use them against the US. He rallied public support based on his claims, which he said was supported by intelligence, that there were WMDs in Iraq.
Problem is, Bush had no intelligence that there were WMDs. It was discovered some time later, after our troops failed to find any signs of WMDs, that Bush had lied the country and our allies. The intelligence agencies had actually informed him that reports of WMDs were actually false. But Bush lied, rallied the country and sent us to war.
No one knows how history will play out. Maybe in the long run, this may benefit the counrty, But so far it has been the biggest F-up in American history. Thousands of American lives were lost. The region is more unstable. Iran has been greatly strengthened, and has infiltrated their long time enemy Iraq. The money spent on the war has ruined our economy. And it most likely set us up for failure in Afghanistan by spreading our forces too thin. We should have left Iraq alone as it was NOT a threat to our security, went full on into Afghanistan. We probably owuld have been out of there years ago.
Where the hell do you get this information from? I don't think even MSNBC would make this up. You hate W, fine. But you sound ignorant when you come up with stories such as this.Analfreak you're the one that's sounds ignorant everything he stated can be found. EVEN ON MSNBC.
also, he failed to mention in his tread that the Iraq that told the bush administration that there were wmd's finally admit her had lied about it.
"No matter what Obama says, bin Laden's not dead until Donald Trump see's his death certificate."
ROFLMAS.
CookyJarLOL
"Crediting Obama for killing Bin Laden is like going into McDonalds and crediting Ronald McDonald for the hamburger.
It's the guy cooking the burger that should get the credit, not the clown."
Gringo2123
05-16-11, 17:11
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2011/05/undercover_deputy_receives_sof.html
Finally a photo of the funeral of Osama Bin Laden drom some one who was there.
No they won't. Even if he works twice as hard, and does twice as good, he'll never get half the credit.
CookyJarLast I checked we "christians" never threatened to kill all the Muslims. The book the muslims read pretty much tells them to kill any non-muslim. It is the first chapter.
Obama has done nothing right.
Gas going to 5 bucks a gallon and predicted to be at 6 bucks next summer, so now he is open for more drilling. Umemployment not gettimg any better. Ecomony is in shambles. Oh yeah! He is doing a great job! I know, I know.
It is all Bush's fault. You call him an idiot and I say it takes one to know one.
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2011/05/undercover_deputy_receives_sof.htmlLOL,
A cop goes to college for 4 years, struggles through Police academy, pays his dues in his rookie year, works to get promoted to under cover detective and then spends his days trying to bust poor, down on their luck, young women just wanting to make a few bucks offering simple pleasures to lonely men.
How sad, this law enforcement buisness.
Agent61
Member #4860
05-19-11, 22:36
LOL. What ever led you to believe that Pigs have a college education? Most barely graduated High School. Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you.
LOL,
A cop goes to college for 4 years, struggles through Police academy, pays his dues in his rookie year, works to get promoted to under cover detective and then spends his days trying to bust poor, down on their luck, young women just wanting to make a few bucks offering simple pleasures to lonely men.
How sad, this law enforcement buisness.
Agent61
Recently for the past half decade I have heard it's more difficult to become a cop just by barely having a high school education. So they have to stand out more to get a job such as a college education. I haven't really looked into it but that seems to be the case for most city jobs. So I have no reason to believe new cops do not have college education myself.
LOL. What ever led you to believe that Pigs have a college education? Most barely graduated High School. Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you.I have a cousin who is a Martin county cop and he was a jail guard for 6 years prior, not a college grad, but took several courses while working.
Most cops who get hired otherwise, to various departments, will have a 4 year degree in criminal law, basic studies, psychology, basket weaving or something because police departments like to hire well rounded individuals.
This is the case especially if they want to get promoted, unless their daddy is the police chief or something like that, then idiots become cops.
I once thought about becoming a cop, for about 5 minutes, back in 1986.
But after 4 years in the corps, I figured I could not make a lasting career out of it.
Two things I don't think I could ever do. Be a police officer or a public school teacher, I probably wouldn't last a month on either job.
I would probably shoot some scum bag or beat the shit out of some body's stupid teenager.
Awesome engineering.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1388660/Mississippi-River-flooding-Residents-build-homemade-dams-saves-houses.html
Gringo2123
05-25-11, 13:46
Anyone dumb enough to offer $ for sex thru a car window might have theirs names published.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/24/2232214/officials-consider-publishing.html
Anyone dumb enough to offer $ for sex thru a car window might have theirs names published.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/24/2232214/officials-consider-publishing.html
The one I remember was were the new braman gas station is on ne 2ave and 20 it use to be a bill board there and it had the name and address of all the people arrested for prostitution
Gringo2123
05-26-11, 07:50
Sounds like he had it going on for awhile, ..http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/25/2235359/broward-couple-denied-bail-in.html
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/crime/fl-south-florida-escort-robberies-20110528,0,1303884.story
McDonald's Feeling the Heat After Racist Sign Hoax.
http://www.bvblackspin.com/2011/06/13/mcdonalds-feeling-the-heat-after-racist-sign-hoax/?icid=main|htmlws-main-and|dl9|sec1_lnk3|215905
I read it yesterday.
I know it will be costing McD Thousands fo dollars in PR.
The Internet is turning into a double edged sword.
"He's climbing in your windows, he's snatching your people up, so why'all need to hide your kids, hide your wife, hide your husband, LOL.
McDonald's Feeling the Heat After Racist Sign Hoax.
http://www.bvblackspin.com/2011/06/13/mcdonalds-feeling-the-heat-after-racist-sign-hoax/?icid=main|htmlws-main-and|dl9|sec1_lnk3|215905
Subject: Watch "Awesome confrontation and bus fight action. Guess who will win! Tom Slick or the punk?" on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-oI3qL1e7w&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Mr Clubberman
06-15-11, 21:55
Subject: Watch "Awesome confrontation and bus fight action. Guess who will win! Tom Slick or the punk?" on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-oI3qL1e7w&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Got to love it when one of those bits of true justice gets dropped in our laps!
Gringo2123
06-20-11, 12:19
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/20/2275369/community-activist-concerned-motels.html
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/20/2275369/community-activist-concerned-motels.html
That's the old Red carpet Inn, Petes can info you on that place, the previous owners were dealing and became there own best customers.
It might be a good deal if the nosy Miami Herald and the local old bitties just mind there own business.
Member #4860
06-21-11, 01:07
I don't think they'll mind their own business, but will likely continue to put pressure. A similar thing happened along the Calle 8 corridor across from the cemetery in Coral Gables. Basically the residents protested and PoPo stepped up and cleaned up the area, making many arrests in the process. This tends to happen when a SW area is too close to an area where people are mindful of their property values. What's interesting is that in the past I have had encounters with SWrs in that Coral Gables area who have mentioned the name of that cop Morales as being responsible for the zero tolerance zone enforcement policy of MPD where SWrs are barred from entering the area where they were previously arrested. Best deal is to stay in the blighted areas where no one cares.
That's the old Red carpet Inn, Petes can info you on that place, the previous owners were dealing and became there own best customers.
It might be a good deal if the nosy Miami Herald and the local old bitties just mind there own business.
Sun-retinel is posting pics of arrested for Prost.
Crazy world.
http://interactive.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/mugshots/index.php
Gringo2123
07-04-11, 13:54
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/palm-beach/pb-palm-prostitution-sting-20110703.0, 7606910, full. Story
PoonHunter1
07-04-11, 18:13
Cool. But I can't seem to find the section for prostitution. Under what official term am I looking at in the filter section?
Sun-retinel is posting pics of arrested for Prost.
Crazy world.
http://interactive.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/mugshots/index.php
Member #4860
07-04-11, 22:34
I'm posting both the link to this Sun Sentinel article and the text because the links expire very quickly. Mongers out here beware!
Sun-sentinel. Com / news / palm-beach / pb-palm-prostitution-sting-20110703, 0.6290476. Story.
South Florida Sun-Sentinel. Com.
With economy down, more prostitution stings.
By Andrew Abramson, The Palm Beach Post.
1:58 PM EDT, July 3, 2011.
LAKE WORTH.
Michael, a 33-year-old, unemployed, single father, was one of the first to take the bait at the prostitution sting in Lake Worth last month.
He was walking along Dixie Highway in broad daylight when he offered money to a prostitute who turned out to be a decoyed sheriff's deputy.
That June day he was one of 21 johns arrested as part of ongoing efforts by Lake Worth, West Palm Beach and other Palm Beach County cities to counter a vice that seems to crop up more when the economy is down.
With unemployment high, pill mills booming and foreclosures frequent, neighborhood leaders are pleading with government officials to clean the streets of the sex trade. And they're pointing to the men who solicit.
The West Palm Beach City Commission is considering bringing back a practice from two decades ago of publicizing the names of johns in newspaper ads, and now on the city website. The leader of a prostitution rehabilitation course for johns, meanwhile, has been urging officials to let first-time offenders remain anonymous, citing a miniscule rearrest rate after rehab.
To Michael it was no big thing.
He said his abusive wife left the family years ago, and that he hadn't had a girlfriend in four years. But at the time of his arrest, he didn't have a dollar in his pocket and he said he wasn't looking for a hooker. He made an impulse decision, he said.
"It's really not one of the worst crimes out there," he said shortly after his arrest."They should be focused on kids being molested, murders and drugs being brought into this country."
But many first-time johns come away with such attitudes tempered after attending a court-ordered Prostitution Impact Prevention Education course.
Some who attended a recent session said they hadn't given much thought to the prospect of catching gonorrhea, scabies or AIDS. Least of all, said a john named Jorge, who was arrested in a West Palm Beach sting last year, he never thought about the women, where they came from or why they were selling themselves off Broadway.
Gail Levine. 69, and her husband, Alan. 72, began the educational course in 2000 after they saw the detrimental effect prostitution had on their West Palm Beach neighborhood. County judges agreed to support the course, which is run on a volunteer basis and is no cost to taxpayers.
Levine says prostitutes are drug-driven and almost always re-offend within hours. The drugs of choice these days are prescription drugs like OxyContin, widely available in the county's pill mills. Sheriff's booking agent Dawn Fish said a prostitute was recently arrested with a condom in one pocket and AIDS medication in the other.
By contrast, of the 3, 140 johns who have attended the PIPE class since 2000, Levine knows of only 12 second offenses.
Levine brings in former prostitutes to give the johns an understanding of who they're trying to have sex with.
Mary Miller, for one, began as a teenage stripper in Miami in 1985 and eventually slept with customers for money. The cash fueled her crack addiction and she sold herself for 13 years.
"When I was done, you had to go because I didn't want to look at you," Miller told the johns."I'd literally puke because I've had sex with somebody I couldn't stand."
Miller pleads with the men, telling them,"this is just hurting people, hurting girls the drugs, the beatings, the children that are abandoned."
The program also uses scare tactics, with Detective Felix Leon of the West Palm Beach Police Department warning johns they're getting involved with the wrong people.
"She gets out of your car, you're satisfied, you're done," Leon said."The next thing you know, about an hour later that prostitute is dead because someone kills her. Then a detective starts following up and finds you."
The sheriff's office in Lake Worth and West Palm Beach police run frequent stings.
In Lake Worth, the stings usually take place on Fridays, pay day. First, they pick up the real prostitutes, making sure there's no competition in the streets. Then the johns arrive in droves.
Sgt. Oscar Cardenas has noticed an increase in prostitution from 6 to 9 am With customers increasingly aware of stings, they look for sex when police activity is minimal.
Cardenas sympathizes with the johns he arrests."Sometimes I feel bad," he said."They're begging, saying 'please don't tell my wife. ' "
But the female officers who pose as prostitutes are far less sympathetic.
"Some have wives in the house, some are arrested with their babies in the back seat while their wife is working," said one of the decoys."I don't feel bad."
After visiting the most recent PIPE class, West Palm Beach Mayor Jeri Muoio said she no longer supports naming first-time offenders on the city website or in newspaper ads, .
Michael Cleveland, a community activist in the struggling neighborhood of Pleasant City in West Palm Beach, said prostitutes regularly line Spruce Avenue between 13th and 25th Streets late at night and early in the morning. He wants johns to be named publicly on their first offense.
"I'd like to try to get the prostitutes out, but I can't," Cleveland said."If a john knows his name is going public on the first offense, no other john is going to do it."
Bob Beaulieu, president of the Northwood Hills neighborhood in West Palm Beach, also believes naming johns on a first offense would be a deterrent.
In 2010 the West Palm Beach Police Department made 135 prostitution-related arrests, up from 118 in 2009 but down from 377 in 2000. Countywide, there were 388 prostitution arrests in 2000, the fifth-highest number of the last 11 years, but below the high of 637 arrests in 2001.
Beaulieu doesn't believe prostitution has been reduced drastically. He said prostitution has moved from the city's main streets deeper into the neighborhoods where it's less visible to police, impacting quality of life and property values.
"We have prostitutes walking down our streets that we never had before, washing their hair in the irrigation system," Beaulieu said."You drive around the north end of city, and you have foreclosed homes, trash in the street, and it makes it look like it's OK for this behavior to go on. Putting johns' names in the newspaper may be embarrassing for their families, but it may be saving somebody's life."
Lake Worth just trailed West Palm Beach in 2010, with 134 prostitution arrests. The sheriff's office made 71 arrests in unincorporated Palm Beach County and Riviera Beach made 34 arrests. Levine said Riviera has one of the worst prostitution problems but that its police department doesn't have the resources to run stings.
In last month's Lake Worth sting. 22 people were arrested, ranging in age from 21 to 69. The sting also netted its first "jane," a woman who was soliciting sex to share with her boyfriend.
Not all of the johns are naive. Courtney, a maintenance worker who was arrested in last month's Lake Worth sting, called the stings "a good thing."
"With AIDS and all that stuff, they need to stop it," said Courtney, who pleaded not to be arrested because he'd have to call his wife."I work around the area and I know what's going on. I was just running my mouth when (I solicited sex). Would I have actually done it? I won't say yes and I won't say no. I don't know."
Levine said she actually favors legalized, regulated prostitution. But short of an unlikely change in the law, she believes her course is working, even if the world's oldest profession never dies.
"Even though the class is extremely successful and those that were arrested are now gone from the program and don't get rearrested, there's always a new crop," Levine said."They need to be educated and exposed to what could happen to them if they go out soliciting."
I'm posting both the link to this Sun Sentinel article and the text because the links expire very quickly. Mongers out here beware!The answer to the dilemma of family oriented neighborhoods being infiltrated by hoes is simple.
Do as most of the rest of the civilized world has done, create a red light district, on the "other side of the tracks" where prostitutes can safely ply their trade and have the police monitor violence there and treat the women there with dignity.
But that won't likely happen here, because of the moral and money / tax issue.
Politicians will want to take in revenue any way they can, so, like in LasVegas, they will want pricy brothels where you kick out 200 bucks for a covered BJ from a 45 year old washed up stripper with rules on what you can't do between consenting adults.
Instead of a BBBJ from a 24 year old hottie who you can take pics, video and splooge for a fraction of the price.
Nope, I think mongers here are trapped in a cycle of playing cat and mouse with LEO and that's just how it's going to be.
So monger like your on a mission because the cops are not going away and neither is money or the needy women who will bend the rules and use their biological advantage to earn themselves some cash.
That's life in America folks!
Member #4860
07-05-11, 20:53
Holy crap, Lurker / G, you have a splendid way of being blunt about the facts. I couldn't agree with you more. From what I have heard about countries in Europe, Asia, and South America, controlled and monitored red light districts are pretty much the norm abroad, and it makes sense. I've only been to Canada, but did not even think about mongering there because it was a family trip, but I'm not sure if prostitution is legal there. It's us in the puritanical US that have to pay the price, and yes, ultimately it is a cat and mouse game with LEO which frankly neither side will ever win. A shitty outlook to say the least so all's I can say is stay safe out there.
The answer to the dilemma of family oriented neighborhoods being infiltrated by hoes is simple.
Do as most of the rest of the civilized world has done, create a red light district, on the "other side of the tracks" where prostitutes can safely ply their trade and have the police monitor violence there and treat the women there with dignity.
But that won't likely happen here, because of the moral and money / tax issue.
Politicians will want to take in revenue any way they can, so, like in LasVegas, they will want pricy brothels where you kick out 200 bucks for a covered BJ from a 45 year old washed up stripper with rules on what you can't do between consenting adults.
Instead of a BBBJ from a 24 year old hottie who you can take pics, video and splooge for a fraction of the price.
Nope, I think mongers here are trapped in a cycle of playing cat and mouse with LEO and that's just how it's going to be.
So monger like your on a mission because the cops are not going away and neither is money or the needy women who will bend the rules and use their biological advantage to earn themselves some cash.
That's life in America folks!
Stay thirsty my friends. :) LOL
Holy crap, Lurker / G, you have a splendid way of being blunt about the facts. I couldn't agree with you more. From what I have heard about countries in Europe, Asia, and South America, controlled and monitored red light districts are pretty much the norm abroad, and it makes sense. I've only been to Canada, but did not even think about mongering there because it was a family trip, but I'm not sure if prostitution is legal there. It's us in the puritanical US that have to pay the price, and yes, ultimately it is a cat and mouse game with LEO which frankly neither side will ever win. A shitty outlook to say the least so all's I can say is stay safe out there.
I miss my home country so much. Legalized prostitution.
Stay thirsty my friends. :) LOL
LuckyBastard
07-18-11, 18:15
What are your thoughts regarding this MSNBC report on the sex industry?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43795857#43795857
The report basically discusses the "harms" of prostitution. Including how it drives sex trafficking and perpetuates violence against women. The report denounces legalizing prostitution and points to studies in Germany and the Netherlands as being "failed experiements" in the legalization of brothels because demand in the sex industry "exploded" in these countries once prostitution was legalized. The report seeks to abolish prostitution and says that we need to transform society by "transforming the way that men think about prostitution" and suggests that police should focus more on arresting Johns instead of prostitutes. At one point in the report, a man says that "real men don't buy children. They don't buy sex".
Just a few of my thoughts.
* As long as women are acting within their own free will, I don't see anything wrong with engaging in prostitution.
* I don't condone sex trafficking. However, instead of blaming men who pay for sex as being the ones who are fueling the sex trafficking industry, why not focus on the root of the problem? If US children are being forced into the sex industry, why not examine why that's happening? Perhaps look at the breakdown of the American family and try to do something about that? Or, if children are being brought in from other countries, maybe we should be working harder on border security to prevent this? Perhaps, laws should be more severe against people who force women (especially children) into the sex industry against their will. Lock them up and throw away the keys. Maybe those things will deter sex traffickers.
* The self righteous man who says "real men don't buy children. They don't buy sex" is an idiot. He's making a moral judgement against two entirely different things. Buying children and buying sex. Obviously, buying children is reprehensible. But, buying sex? As long as the person is a legal adult and is acting within their own free will, there is nothing wrong with buying sex.
* It's silly to talk about Germany and Netherlands as being failed experiments while trying to define US policy regarding prostitution. Why not look closer to home. Las Vegas. And draw your conclusions from there? Furthermore, the study says that demand "exploded" in these countries once prostitution was legalized. Maybe if prostitution was legalized everywhere, then demand wouldn't spike in the few areas where prostitution is legal.
* Calling for an end to prostitution is pointless. It will NEVER happen. So, why bother wasting time and energy with this? Prostitution should be legalized in the US. As long as it is regulated. Brothels should be created in all 50 states, and women who work in these brothels should be screened to ensure that they are not victims of sex trafficking and that they are their by their own free will. Furthermore, safe sex within these brothels should be mandatory and women who work in brothels should undergo routine AIDS / STD testing.
* The report suggests that we need to "transform society" and redefine how we think about prostitution. You want to transform society? How about first starting with the media industry that works fervishly to cram sexualtiy down our throats. Everywhere we turn. Movies, music, magazines. We are constantly being reminded of sex. Is it any wonder that 80% of men in the study has paid for sex at one time?
"Studies" like this just irritate me.
Member #4860
07-19-11, 18:16
Dude, don't worry about all of the self-righteous hogwash. This is clearly the so-called mainstream US perspective fueled by the mainstream media who wants to be "in" with the hypocritical Protestant-ethic sanctimonious minority. And no, Germany and the Netherlands are not "failed experiments". If they were then the Germans and Dutch, who are much more sensible than Americans about these things, would have done something about it. What is reprehensible and must be hunted down without reprieve is human trafficking, child exploitation, and pimps. Which, by the way, are the aspects of the so-called "sex trade" which are illegal in most countries where prostitution is considered legal. But as for sex between two or more consenting adults with money being exchanged between the parties, there isn't anything wrong with that and it should not be penalized by the law. To the degree that it is, it only shows the idiocy and hypocrisy of those behind it.
[QUOTE=LuckyBastard; 1238728]What are your thoughts regarding this MSNBC report on the sex industry?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43795857#43795857
Surveillance Camera Catches NM State Trooper Having Sex on Hood of Car.
http://teejaw.com/tag/cop-sex/
Normal Guy
09-04-11, 22:06
Surveillance Camera Catches NM State Trooper Having Sex on Hood of Car.
http://teejaw.com/tag/cop-sex/I love it.
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2011/09/report_undercover_deputy_uses.html
Did you hear the one about a cop, a hooker, a fake flaccid ding-dong and a possum?
The Manatee County Sheriff's undercover deputy convinced Christina Hope Vavra, of Sarasota, to get into his car where she then allegedly asked the deputy to expose himself, reports the Bradenton Herald.
'I asked her if I could put a condom on first. I then exposed a flaccid rubber replica of a penis and placed a condom on it, ' the deputy wrote in his report.
Vavra. 31, was alleged to have performed oral sex that is until the deputy saw a possum crossing the road and slammed on the brakes causing Vavra to slide out of her seat.
FloriDUH Headquarters wants to know: Do they really make flaccid ding-dongs?
And cops think cell phones are a distraction while driving.
Photo: Manatee County Sheriff's Office.
Get the DUHtails at the Bradenton Herald.
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2011/09/report_undercover_deputy_uses.html
Did you hear the one about a cop, a hooker, a fake flaccid ding-dong and a possum?
The Manatee County Sheriff's undercover deputy convinced Christina Hope Vavra, of Sarasota, to get into his car where she then allegedly asked the deputy to expose himself, reports the Bradenton Herald.
'I asked her if I could put a condom on first. I then exposed a flaccid rubber replica of a penis and placed a condom on it, ' the deputy wrote in his report.
Vavra. 31, was alleged to have performed oral sex that is until the deputy saw a possum crossing the road and slammed on the brakes causing Vavra to slide out of her seat.
FloriDUH Headquarters wants to know: Do they really make flaccid ding-dongs?
And cops think cell phones are a distraction while driving.
Photo: Manatee County Sheriff's Office.
Get the DUHtails at the Bradenton Herald.It's Brandon, FL. They got time for stupid shit like that there.
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2011/09/report_undercover_deputy_uses.html
Did you hear the one about a cop, a hooker, a fake flaccid ding-dong and a possum?
The Manatee County Sheriff's undercover deputy convinced Christina Hope Vavra, of Sarasota, to get into his car where she then allegedly asked the deputy to expose himself, reports the Bradenton Herald.
'I asked her if I could put a condom on first. I then exposed a flaccid rubber replica of a penis and placed a condom on it, ' the deputy wrote in his report.
Vavra. 31, was alleged to have performed oral sex that is until the deputy saw a possum crossing the road and slammed on the brakes causing Vavra to slide out of her seat.
FloriDUH Headquarters wants to know: Do they really make flaccid ding-dongs?
And cops think cell phones are a distraction while driving.
Photo: Manatee County Sheriff's Office.
Get the DUHtails at the Bradenton Herald.Sounds like the officer was indulging himself. The dildo thing sounds made up. I think the officer was getting a CBJ & the girl probably pissed him off so he made up a false report. That's what it sounds like to me. They should throw the case out & fine, fire or suspend the officer.
WTF Florida.
Florida's Fast-Food Rage: Two Decades of Grease-Fiending Violence and Insanity.
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/09/fast_food_rage.php
#comment-317345498
Member #4860
09-23-11, 15:12
Ha, ha. It's true. Ohio is the Florida of the Midwest. The scumbag count is very high in both states (look at me) , though I suppose there are worse places still.
WTF Florida.
Florida's Fast-Food Rage: Two Decades of Grease-Fiending Violence and Insanity.
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/09/fast_food_rage.php
#comment-317345498
Member #4860
10-02-11, 02:19
Do you get the feeling this UM law professor should have been a member of this forum? It might have helped!
The Miami Herald.
Posted on Sat, Oct. 01, 2011.
Second arrest for UM law professor.
BY ELINOR J. BRECHER.
ebrecher@miamiherald.com
University of Miami law professor Donald M. Jones.
University of Miami law professor Donald M. Jones.
When Miami police busted University of Miami law professor Donald Marvin Jones for soliciting street sex from an undercover cop on Sept. 26, it wasn't the first time.
Jones. 59, was arrested on Aug. 22, 2007, in Miami's Little River neighborhood, for offering $20 to an officer posing as a prostitute. Charges were dropped and the record expunged.
That time, he was driving a 2004 Mercedes-Benz. This time, police say, he was driving a 2008 Benz in the 7700 block of Northeast First Avenue, when he offered the officer $20 for oral sex.
The specific charge: soliciting to commit prostitution.
A message left on Jones's UM office voicemail wasn't returned Saturday. His outgoing message says: 'I'm probably away working on my book very hard. '
He didn't answer an email request for comment.
His UM website bio says he joined the faculty in 1988, teaches Constitutional Law, Criminal Procedure, and Employment Discrimination, has written commentaries for The Miami Herald and The Miami Times, and has appeared on national television programs.
In 2003, the Miami-Dade County Commission hired Jones to draft the county's affirmative action plan.
On Friday, the law school issued a statement saying: 'It should be noted that Professor Jones has never been convicted of any previous crime. It is our policy not to comment on personnel matters. '
© 2011 Miami Herald Media Company. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.miamiherald.com
Read more:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/01/v-print/2433783/second-arrest-for-um-law-professor.html#ixzz1ZbPzfmWn
Davidonecall
10-02-11, 03:00
I wish I had a job like his. In a college with so many girls needing help with tuition or with the money he makes just go to BP. Just with the car he puts himself in danger.
Do you get the feeling this UM law professor should have been a member of this forum? It might have helped!
The Miami Herald.
Posted on Sat, Oct. 01, 2011.
Second arrest for UM law professor.
BY ELINOR J. BRECHER.
ebrecher@miamiherald.com
University of Miami law professor Donald M. Jones.
University of Miami law professor Donald M. Jones.
When Miami police busted University of Miami law professor Donald Marvin Jones for soliciting street sex from an undercover cop on Sept. 26, it wasn't the first time.
Jones. 59, was arrested on Aug. 22, 2007, in Miami's Little River neighborhood, for offering $20 to an officer posing as a prostitute. Charges were dropped and the record expunged.
That time, he was driving a 2004 Mercedes-Benz. This time, police say, he was driving a 2008 Benz in the 7700 block of Northeast First Avenue, when he offered the officer $20 for oral sex.
The specific charge: soliciting to commit prostitution.
A message left on Jones's UM office voicemail wasn't returned Saturday. His outgoing message says: 'I'm probably away working on my book very hard. '
He didn't answer an email request for comment.
His UM website bio says he joined the faculty in 1988, teaches Constitutional Law, Criminal Procedure, and Employment Discrimination, has written commentaries for The Miami Herald and The Miami Times, and has appeared on national television programs.
In 2003, the Miami-Dade County Commission hired Jones to draft the county's affirmative action plan.
On Friday, the law school issued a statement saying: 'It should be noted that Professor Jones has never been convicted of any previous crime. It is our policy not to comment on personnel matters. '
© 2011 Miami Herald Media Company. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.miamiherald.com
Read more:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/01/v-print/2433783/second-arrest-for-um-law-professor.html#ixzz1ZbPzfmWn
I wish I had a job like his. In a college with so many girls needing help with tuition or with the money he makes just go to BP. Just with the car he puts himself in danger.He's going to be the laughing stock of the school now for a few days.
Davidonecall
10-02-11, 10:46
I would be saying that it part of my new book and try to show something about it.
He's going to be the laughing stock of the school now for a few days.
All that sweeet young free ass at UM and he is prowling the streets.
Another good reason NOT to let women work in law enforcement.
The Hi-way Patrol is a joke anyways, just a ticket agency.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/videogallery/65779364/News/RAW-VIDEO-Miami-officer-arrested-at-gunpoint
Another good reason NOT to let women work in law enforcement.
The Hi-way Patrol is a joke anyways, just a ticket agency.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/videogallery/65779364/News/RAW-VIDEO-Miami-officer-arrested-at-gunpointI hate the FHP as much as the next person. I was caught doing 115+ on the turnpike but I think the officer (black male) gave me a break and said he only caught me doing 100 (maybe cause I had the kids. Teennagers. In the car going to Orlando). As soon as I passed him I knew he tagged me up so I pulled over right away. I'm pretty sure though that if I had ignored his lights / sirens for 5+ minutes he wouldve done a felony stop on me along side with a couple of his buddies.
Carrying a badge does carry it's perks and it should if you are putting your life in danger (and not just sitting behind a desk) so I have no problem that this woman trooper scared him a bit by getting him out at gun point and cuffing him. If it would've been any one of us we wouldve been hauled off for evading and reckless endangerment.
LuckyBastard
11-01-11, 19:56
Another good reason NOT to let women work in law enforcement.
The Hi-way Patrol is a joke anyways, just a ticket agency.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/videogallery/65779364/News/RAW-VIDEO-Miami-officer-arrested-at-gunpointHoly Crap! That lady is my friggin hero! I heard about this, but seeing the video is just amazing. They need to put this woman to work on 595. I see cops blowing by me 100+ on a daily basis on my commute to work in the early AM.
Check out this story about an Army Staff Sgt. Who was really into his job when it came to wiping out the enemy.
"bloodthirsty leader who in one instance played with a victim's corpse and moved the mouth like a puppet" LOL, that's fvcked up!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/10/soldier-found-guilty-in-afghan-thrill-killings/
DarkRaijin
11-27-11, 18:43
So I was in Kendall and saw this grupy doing very SW things LOL. Holla. With shaggy pants and stikin out little weener. I just but had to take a pix of it.
This old bag pops a cap into her son-in-law. That'll teach him, LOL.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/mother-in-law-shoots-son-654819
Cover up boys, HIV is out there looking for you!
Read on. Miami Dade # 2.
Federal health officials have stepped in to take more control of the battle against Broward County's stubborn HIV / AIDS epidemic, ranked worst in the nation for the past three years.
Federal involvement is expected to mean extra money for Broward next year to pay for more testing, preventive education and treatment of those with the AIDS virus.
Federal and county health officials are meeting with local health, political and business leaders some of whom have had no prior involvement in HIV / AIDS issues to push for a bolder approach.
"What we have been doing has not been working, not as well as everyone would have liked," said Kathleen Cannon, chief operating officer of nonprofit Broward House, a social service agency invited to the sessions."We have maybe not been going about it in the right way."
To stress the importance of the effort, Christopher Bates, executive director of the President's Advisory Council on HIV / AIDS, led the first gathering.
Federal agencies are expected to send as much as $2 million extra to Broward to pay for the increased efforts, after the local group has finalized a plan for the USA Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by June 30, officials said. That's on top of about $15 million the county now receives.
"The federal government realizes it has to put more resources into the community." said Marsha Martin, an HIV prevention specialist for the city of Oakland, Calif, who is helping the CDC with the campaign in Broward and other localities.
The number of new HIV / AIDS cases per capita in Broward has not decreased despite years of preventive and educational efforts. In the first 10 months of this year, Broward logged 907 new HIV cases, more than in all of 2010 and 2009. The county's epidemic has been among the worst in the nation for a decade.
Miami-Dade County, with the nation's second-worst HIV rate, started its own, similar process involving federal officials in 2009 to plan a bolder campaign, which is now under way. Palm Beach County ranks in the top 20 nationally, but its rate of new cases has been steadily declining.
The virus has hit hardest among gay men and black people. Officials cite many reasons: people spreading HIV before they find out they are infected, young adults with cavalier attitudes engaging in unprotected sex, and lack of education about the disease.
In an extreme example, some young adults are willing to have unprotected sex with HIV-positive partners who say they have low levels of the virus in their blood, said Michael Rajner, a nationally known activist from Fort Lauderdale who is HIV-positive.
"The message is not getting out there about HIV. We need to do more, and we need some help from the outside," said Rajner, who often is critical of public HIV / AIDS agencies.
The new approaches being discussed in Broward are similar to those starting in Miami and 11 other large USA localities with high infection rates:
Routinely test almost everyone for HIV rather than ask permission first. This aims to sharply cut the estimated 20 percent of HIV patients who do not know they are infected and who are highly infectious.
Routine testing would reduce the stigma of HIV and approach it as a viral illness like the flu, said Dr. Nabil El Sanadi, chief of emergency medicine for the tax-assisted North Broward Hospital District. This step would require buy-in from doctors, who often are reluctant to discuss the sensitive subject of HIV / AIDS, he said.
Offer HIV tests in unconventional settings regularly, not just on the nationwide testing day. That includes stores, youth clubs and community settings such as churches, said Broward County Commissioner Dale Holness, who is involved in the new campaign.
Push HIV-positive people to seek treatment quickly. Studies show that people can become almost non-infectious when taking HIV drugs, but some don't see a doctor even after being diagnosed, Cannon said.
One idea being discussed is to give AIDS drugs to high-risk people who are not HIV-positive, as a way to prevent infection. Officials said this was unlikely because of cost and controversy over potential drug side effects.
Target prevention efforts to specific audiences. Young adults may benefit from hearing hipper messages through social media and in nightclubs, where substance abuse can lead to unsafe behavior, Holness said.
Involve employers and insurers more in prevention and education because they may not view HIV as their problem, said Dr. Claude Fox, director of the nonprofit Florida Public Health Institute in Lake Worth, who formerly headed a federal HIV / AIDS agency.
Make HIV / AIDS a community issue. Many people ignore it as someone else's problem, but Oakland's Martin said it affects everyone through illness and higher taxes for treatment.
"Someone in your family, someone you work with, someone on your street, someone you know has the virus," Martin said.
Higher national profile by having the county join a committee of eight big cities with the highest rates of HIV / AIDS
Here is the link if you want to read it from the site, Sun-sentinel.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/health/fl-hk-hiv-south-florida-20111211
0, 5749986. Story
Cover up boys, HIV is out there looking for you!
Read on. Miami Dade # 2.
Make HIV / AIDS a community issue. Many people ignore it as someone else's problem, but Oakland's Martin said it affects everyone through illness and higher taxes for treatment.
Higher national profile by having the county join a committee of eight big cities with the highest rates of HIV / AIDSThey can start by automatically testing every person arrested and booked into the county jails.
Its just crazy to me Broward and Miami Dade County are #1 and 2 in the Nation.
Also higher HIV risk if you fuck a black girl. Just crazy.
They can start by automatically testing every person arrested and booked into the county jails.
Member #4860
02-24-12, 14:20
Here is an interesting story which I think supports the point many have made on this Forum that it's always best to keep a completely separate, anonymous, and throw-away Monger Phone instead of running those apps which allow you to have multiple accounts and such from the same handset. Had this politician done this I do not think the Secret Service would have been able to track him down. But of course, when the Secret Service is involved, I'm sure I could be wrong, LOL.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/24/2658653/in-sexxxy-mama-text-scandal-state.html
Here is an interesting story which I think supports the point many have made on this Forum that it's always best to keep a completely separate, anonymous, and throw-away Monger Phone instead of running those apps which allow you to have multiple accounts and such from the same handset. Had this politician done this I do not think the Secret Service would have been able to track him down. But of course, when the Secret Service is involved, I'm sure I could be wrong, LOL.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/24/2658653/in-sexxxy-mama-text-scandal-state.htmlYeah, don't know if that would have helped this guy. Common sense is not his strong suit. Just goes to show you the stupidity of some of these politicians!
Another good reason NOT to let women work in law enforcement.
The Hi-way Patrol is a joke anyways, just a ticket agency.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/videogallery/65779364/News/RAW-VIDEO-Miami-officer-arrested-at-gunpointLOL I agree completely, beware for females in any serious job, they always go the hardest on you because they have something to prove. A guy cop would probably have let him slide.
LOL I agree completely, beware for females in any serious job, they always go the hardest on you because they have something to prove. A guy cop would probably have let him slide.Hmm. Which would you rather be bangin'?
Wife:
http://media.elnuevoherald.com/smedia/2012/02/24/22/35/GZKpT.Em.84.jpg
Assistant USA Attorney:
http://sabrinacohenfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/JUNIOR-LEAGUE.jpg
ShadowKnigh305
02-26-12, 00:26
Its just crazy to me Broward and Miami Dade County are #1 and 2 in the Nation.
Also higher HIV risk if you fuck a black girl. Just crazy.Hey Joe I know this was an old post but I had to respond to it. The reason "black chicks" have a higher risk for being infected is two fold. One the black community was well known to disregard condem use. Black males tend to label it as offensive like they are seen as not clean and because sex "feels better" without one. Two black males have a high and I mean high possibility of being incarcerated when this happens homesexual acts may take place willingly or forcefully. Once released these men who maybe infected with a number of diseases sleep with their partners infecting them. This chain continues placing black women at a higher risk. I took no offense to your comment just wanted to add perspective.
ChillyWilly325
02-26-12, 00:47
Hey Joe I know this was an old post but I had to respond to it. The reason "black chicks" have a higher risk for being infected is two fold. One the black community was well known to disregard condem use. Black males tend to label it as offensive like they are seen as not clean and because sex "feels better" without one. Two black males have a high and I mean high possibility of being incarcerated when this happens homesexual acts may take place willingly or forcefully. Once released these men who maybe infected with a number of diseases sleep with their partners infecting them. This chain continues placing black women at a higher risk. I took no offense to your comment just wanted to add perspective.Are you serious, damn, next time you want to bring back an old post please and please learn how to spell damn it.
Hmm. Which would you rather be bangin'?
Wife:
http://media.elnuevoherald.com/smedia/2012/02/24/22/35/GZKpT.Em.84.jpg
Assistant USA Attorney:
http://sabrinacohenfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/JUNIOR-LEAGUE.jpgI don't get why your asking this but I guess the chick in the first pick.
ShadowKnigh305
02-27-12, 00:44
Are you serious, damn, next time you want to bring back an old post please and please learn how to spell damn it.Hey I apologize for my spelling I usually type these posts on my smartphone and can miss keys and autocorrect can be annoying so ill be a little more careful next time around. I did have to respond though because I love black women and I just want some people to understand the reasoning behind statements like black chicks are higher risk for HIV and unfortunately your mind has a form of autocorrect (something I suffer from alot which is why I can never be an editor) so things will look correct at first glance but upon closer inspection mistakes can be found.
ChillyWilly325
03-04-12, 12:07
Anyone knows what the hell was going on last night on 2 ave and so on, a lot of public services and LEO activities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJDFVy6mafs&feature=uploademail
"Miami, Global gateway to the United States, Caribbean and Latin America. A vibrant, multicultural city"
But, They forgot to mention the world class working girls.
Airport City looks like a pricey stop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgQB_sdVSg&list=UU_gE-kg7JvuwCNlbZ1-shlA&index=11&feature=plcp
http://gizmodo.com/5887967/how-to-remove-your-google-search-history-before-googles-new-privacy-policy-takes-effect?tag=google/privacy
"Google Oogles Everything You Do"
I imagine this will concern a majority of people here.Even before this I believe everything is trackable to what you do online one way or another, but this just makes it much easier to track what you do an even create a general profile of the person you are with this information.
LOL this is too damn funny!
http://www.local10.com/news/EXCLUSIVE-Mattress-cop-relieved-of-duty/-/1717324/9221954/-/r9g7w5/-/index.html
32-year veteran Sandra Lyles was just days away from retiring. According to a viewer, Lyles was seen loading mattresses onto the top of her patrol car at the Big Lots store at N. W. 57th Avenue and the Palmetto Expressway.
The outraged viewer took pictures and sent them to Local 10.
Miami-Dade Police say it is a clear violation of their policy and immediately took Lyles' patrol car, badge and gun. The incident is currently under investigation.
George Zimmerman murdered a 17 year old African American male in his gated community because he thought the young man looked suspicious. Police let him off because they looked at the young man and agreed he looked a little suspicious. The young man, Trayvon Martin, was walking home carrying only a bag of Skittles and a can of Iced Tea. George Zimmerman has a previous arrest on his record for resisting arrest.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-_n_1371171.html
Looks like this Zimmerman assh0le will be standing trial for murder and rightfully so, I'll bet there were more than a few Jews going "Oh no" when the media announced the name George Zimmerman. Every Zimerman I've ever known was Jewish, but this guy is actually of Hispanic back ground, possibly Puerto Rican, who knew?
Anyways, if the situation plays out like it should, the "Stand your ground" Law will not apply here and Mr. Zimmerman will be spending the rest of his life in a 10X6 cell with some big Black homosexual maniac who's going to make little George his personal punk b1tch.
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EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited to remove the mugshots of persons who were arrested from the report.
Posting the mugshots of people who have been arrested is somewhat heartless and really just helping the police in their efforts to embarrass these people.
Since this website is all about assisting people in obtaining commercial sex services, we don't want to add to the problems of the unfortunate people who have been arrested by publishing their names and/or photographs.
Thanks!
Gringo2123
04-05-12, 07:54
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2012/04/woman_offers_sex_for_2_cheeseb.html
Normal Guy
04-05-12, 20:16
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2012/04/woman_offers_sex_for_2_cheeseb.htmlDo you want fries with that?
Gringo2123
04-18-12, 06:44
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/18/2755031/angry-customer-not-satisfied-with.html
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/18/2755031/angry-customer-not-satisfied-with.htmlMaybe he was a US Secret Service Agent.
Maybe he was a US Secret Service Agent.Shitting where you eat. Not a good idea.
Hope you all avoided this one.
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/22-Johns-Arrested-in-Miami-Sting-Authorities-148307335.html
This is just the kind of crazy sh1t one would expect on South Beach or Mid-Town Miami. A cop shoots and kils a naked man after seeing him eating another man alive.
Naked man killed by Police near MacArthur Causeway was 'eating' face off victim.
Read more here:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html#storylink=cpy
This is just the kind of crazy sh1t one would expect on South Beach or Mid-Town Miami. A cop shoots and kils a naked man after seeing him eating another man alive.
Naked man killed by Police near MacArthur Causeway was 'eating' face off victim.
Read more here:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html#storylink=cpyWTF.
There must be something in the water.
Lurker X, when you get tired of living in the Miami waste lands, you have an open invite to move up to Philadelphia. In fact I have a nice duplex available in Wilmington DE. LOL.
CookyJar
WTF.
There must be something in the water.
Lurker X, when you get tired of living in the Miami waste lands, you have an open invite to move up to Philadelphia. In fact I have a nice duplex available in Wilmington DE. LOL.
CookyJarWow, thanks CJ, but I actually like the bizarre life style here and the winters up north would drive me to suicide.
WTF.
There must be something in the water.
Lurker X, when you get tired of living in the Miami waste lands, you have an open invite to move up to Philadelphia. In fact I have a nice duplex available in Wilmington DE. LOL.
CookyJarAnd miss all this excitement? Are you kidding me? I've been to Wilmington, there's nothing there!
Gringo2123
05-29-12, 12:28
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/29/2822140/miami-drug-and-prostitution-sting.html
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/29/2822140/miami-drug-and-prostitution-sting.htmlIt's the first time I have herd the term "Model City" sounds like a fake zone for real estate, like Flagami.
G.
According to reports, a total of 57 arrests were made during a two-day sting last week targeting Model City, Little Haiti and the Upper Eastside of Miami's North District.
The vast majority of attention during the second day was geared toward Model City to set up against an influx of offenders fleeing the county's three-day operation to the west.
Read more here:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/29/2822140/miami-drug-and-prostitution-sting.html#storylink=cpy
Lurker 2009
05-30-12, 16:45
This is just the kind of crazy sh1t one would expect on South Beach or Mid-Town Miami. A cop shoots and kils a naked man after seeing him eating another man alive.
Naked man killed by Police near MacArthur Causeway was 'eating' face off victim.
Read more here:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html#storylink=cpyThe 11:00 news reported that the victim tasted like chicken.
Lurker 2009
05-30-12, 18:35
And miss all this excitement? Are you kidding me? I've been to Wilmington, there's nothing there!Wilmington might be ideal. 45 minutes to Philly, and not too far to Baltimore. Two SWing meccas, at least as measured by posts on this board.
This is just the kind of crazy sh1t one would expect on South Beach or Mid-Town Miami. A cop shoots and kils a naked man after seeing him eating another man alive.
Naked man killed by Police near MacArthur Causeway was 'eating' face off victim.
Read more here:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html#storylink=cpyHere is a link to the poor guys eaten face. Dinner anyone?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e2_1338322381
Here is a link to the poor guys eaten face. Dinner anyone?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e2_1338322381If the rolls there were reversed, the media would be crying "racist attack"
If the rolls there were reversed, the media would be crying "racist attack"I second that!
ShadowKnigh305
05-31-12, 22:45
I second that!You have to love the internet comments with all the sterotyping. Its funny just how many racial comments there are. Very sad, shows just how far we've come imo.
You have to love the internet comments with all the sterotyping. Its funny just how many racial comments there are. Very sad, shows just how far we've come imo.I second that. LOL. Don't take this the wrong way but racial comments are the funniest comments in the world, just ask the queen of mean Lisa Lampanelli or Carlos Mencia. If you haven't seen their show, rent one of their dvds and you"ll laugh your ass off. Its all just in good fun.
You have to love the internet comments with all the sterotyping. Its funny just how many racial comments there are. Very sad, shows just how far we've come imo.Please excuse my ignorance, but where was the stereotyping? Someone said if the roles were reversed it would be a racist attack, someone second the comment, and its stereotyping? At the risk of insulting some, yet to help inform Mr. ShadowKnigh305, I'll post some examples of stereotypes: All people who live in England have bad teeth. Goths wear black clothes, black makeup, are depressed and hated by society. Only anorexic women can become models. Men who spend too much time on the computer or read are geeks.
Hopefully you get the picture. While you may not agree with the original comment, or the person who "seconded" the comment, its definitely not a stereotype of any specific group or persons- at least that I could read into.
ShadowKnigh305
06-06-12, 09:30
Please excuse my ignorance, but where was the stereotyping? Someone said if the roles were reversed it would be a racist attack, someone second the comment, and its stereotyping? At the risk of insulting some, yet to help inform Mr. ShadowKnigh305, I'll post some examples of stereotypes: All people who live in England have bad teeth. Goths wear black clothes, black makeup, are depressed and hated by society. Only anorexic women can become models. Men who spend too much time on the computer or read are geeks.
Hopefully you get the picture. While you may not agree with the original comment, or the person who "seconded" the comment, its definitely not a stereotype of any specific group or persons- at least that I could read into.I was referring to some of the comments on the actual story in the comments section. But I do disagree with the statement made here. I personally think an act of drug induced canabalism is free from race related comments since anyone could have sniffed or whatever bath salts and gone crazy. Yet the comments on the story in an attempt to be "humorous" made remarks about fried chicken and so on. If I'm not mistaken "black" people liking fried chicken is one of those stereotypes. I'm sure MLK had a dream that any crazy person doing bath salts and eating the face of another man regardless of race is one crazy mother fucker who deserves to be put down.
TellMeSome
06-07-12, 19:52
I second that. LOL. Don't take this the wrong way but racial comments are the funniest comments in the world, just ask the queen of mean Lisa Lampanelli or Carlos Mencia. If you haven't seen their show, rent one of their dvds and you"ll laugh your ass off. Its all just in good fun.Or the kings of comedy. Now that was some of the funniest stuff I've ever seen in my life.
Or the queens of comedy. Now that's even some funnier stuff
LOL. Imagine your 49 years old and finally get your first cell phone. So excited you are till the hate calls start.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-07/news/os-george-zimmerman-old-phone-number-20120606_1_t-mobile-cell-phone-phone-number
I was referring to some of the comments on the actual story in the comments section. But I do disagree with the statement made here. I personally think an act of drug induced canabalism is free from race related comments since anyone could have sniffed or whatever bath salts and gone crazy. Yet the comments on the story in an attempt to be "humorous" made remarks about fried chicken and so on. If I'm not mistaken "black" people liking fried chicken is one of those stereotypes. I'm sure MLK had a dream that any crazy person doing bath salts and eating the face of another man regardless of race is one crazy mother fucker who deserves to be put down.I see now. I thought you meant the posted comments on this board were racist and stereotyped. My apologies. Herald comment section always has a bunch of loose-mouthed internet gangsters who let out their racist frustrations behind the veil of anonimity. Quite pathetic. Enjoy your weekend fellow mongerers.
Stay safe!
LOL, They all do, LOL LOL.
All people who live in England have bad teeth.
LOL, I like Mike Tyson, very entertaining guy. But he is about a stupid fuck.
Here's the narration:
Iron Mike was on NBC Today when Ann Curry asked him about becoming vegan. But his answer had ZERO to do with vegetables."There's too many prison cells, jails, lawsuits, bankruptcies, women, venereal diseases, too many everything. I got tired of umm, every time a prostitute girlfriend came back from a trip I had to sleep with them."
And here's the link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuu-rPbRdF8
ShadowKnigh305
06-22-12, 02:28
LOL. Imagine your 49 years old and finally get your first cell phone. So excited you are till the hate calls start.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-07/news/os-george-zimmerman-old-phone-number-20120606_1_t-mobile-cell-phone-phone-numberLmao pure comic genius. You made my night.
Ever want to see Lady Gaga's twat?
Lady Gaga tweets 'naked' picture of herself reclining on an armchair. Lighted up on Photo Suite.
Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2179737/Lady-Gaga-tweets-naked-picture-reclining-armchair.html#ixzz21ylQFyOQ
ChillyWilly325
09-03-12, 07:01
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/28/2980491/young-prostitutes-off-the-streets.html#storylink=misearch
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/28/2980491/young-prostitutes-off-the-streets.html#storylink=misearchI should come up with my own website next and make some $$$$!
I remember when they started the same shit Against CL and looked what happen next.
Iam sure if they take BP down another site will take over soon after.
Indiboard has been around for 12 years and running.
Shit maybe neil is paying somebody!
Joe black.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/28/2980491/young-prostitutes-off-the-streets.html#storylink=misearch
Back in the 90s I frequently went to Porkys, if you where a regular like myself, you knew the owner Tony that ran things and lots went on his mind. I knew there where more going on then the pussy galore when I talked to the girls there and my stripper girlfreind back in the day and that was the Mob. Wow the shit that went on there from fuck fest orgy's upstairs to the abundance of drugs, Russian mob, Colombian mob and mainly it snowed in there and it snowed.
Great article to read on and for those that have ever seen the great series "Prison Break" that is available right now thru Amazon video via PS3 for example for 1 month free, yes thats the famous prison in Panama the same from the series. One of the worst Jails to be in on this side of the hemisphere.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2012-10-04/news/tony-galeota-from-running-porky-s-miami-s-most-notorious-strip-joint-to-rotting-in-a-panamanian-jail/
204961
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/
I remember the owner having issues with the feds. One of the stories was that he purchased a Russian military subsmarine to smuggle drugs into the states.
Like you in the late 80's and early 90's I visited porky's every weeked.
Lots of BJ's on the backroom and lots of nose Candy going around, Real Peruvian "flake" the best. Ahhhhh the good old days.
Joe Black.
Back in the 90s I frequently went to Porkys, if you where a regular like myself, you knew the owner Tony that ran things and lots went on his mind. I knew there where more going on then the pussy galore when I talked to the girls there and my stripper girlfreind back in the day and that was the Mob. Wow the shit that went on there from fuck fest orgy's upstairs to the abundance of drugs, Russian mob, Colombian mob and mainly it snowed in there and it snowed.
Great article to read on and for those that have ever seen the great series "Prison Break" that is available right now thru Amazon video via PS3 for example for 1 month free, yes thats the famous prison in Panama the same from the series. One of the worst Jails to be in on this side of the hemisphere.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2012-10-04/news/tony-galeota-from-running-porky-s-miami-s-most-notorious-strip-joint-to-rotting-in-a-panamanian-jail/
204961
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/
ElTigre6978
04-03-13, 17:18
I was surfing the web and and came across this website. I don't know is this legal or not?
I don't know if this guy still doing this.
http://www.vice.com/read/streetwatch-miami
Member #4860
04-03-13, 19:31
This guy was shut down, or he did so voluntarily and probably under pressure, some time ago.
I was surfing the web and and came across this website. I don't know is this legal or not?
I don't know if this guy still doing this.
http://www.vice.com/read/streetwatch-miami
Member #4860
05-13-13, 23:52
Looks like the pigs don't have anything better to do, at least in Polk County.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_polk/sheriff-grady-judd-92-busted-in-web-prostitution-ad-sting-in-polk-county
Looks like the pigs don't have anything better to do, at least in Polk County.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_polk/sheriff-grady-judd-92-busted-in-web-prostitution-ad-sting-in-polk-countyThats some shit of a sting there, ouch that ruin my monger year and I do a 2014 cum back.
Looks like the pigs don't have anything better to do, at least in Polk County.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_polk/sheriff-grady-judd-92-busted-in-web-prostitution-ad-sting-in-polk-countyThe stupid part about it is that the Polk County (Lakeland, FL) Back Page doesn't even have an adult section. They took it down to avoid the cops harassing the members. So the a$s h0le sheriff used the personals for "women seeking men" to run their fake ads.
PeterPiper52
05-15-13, 14:18
The stupid part about it is that the Polk County (Lakeland, FL) Back Page doesn't even have an adult section. They took it down to avoid the cops harassing the members. So the a$s h0le sheriff used the personals for "women seeking men" to run their fake ads.The sheriff of Polk County, Grady Judd, never met a microphone or TV camera he didn't like. He should join up with the Kardashian clan. He's trying to put an end to something that will never, ever end. And to me, that is a waste of taxpayer money.
Looks like the pigs don't have anything better to do, at least in Polk County.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_polk/sheriff-grady-judd-92-busted-in-web-prostitution-ad-sting-in-polk-countyPower corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I try not to have the mindset that the police force is worthless, but they sure make it hard not to. South Florida is crime ridden, always has been, always will be. But then we all get to enjoy watching tax dollars pissed into the wind by white-knight wannabe commandos. Although they do absolutely nothing about said real crime. Having worn and served in a real uniform, it really offends to see these clowns waste so much time and money. It contributes nothing at all.
The sheriff of Polk County, Grady Judd, never met a microphone or TV camera he didn't like. He should join up with the Kardashian clan. He's trying to put an end to something that will never, ever end. And to me, that is a waste of taxpayer money.Yes it is and maybe gurls would get protection from having to get beat by some ass hole monger that gave it to Amy, I just spoke to her. If I ever find out who you are, I highly recommend you relocate out of state.
Member #4860
05-16-13, 21:34
If we had rational laws in this country, prostitution would not be a crime but pimping and human trafficking would. That way the girls would have legal status (as in pay your taxes) , so would mongers, but the assholes who victimize the girls whether mongers or pimps would be subject to the stiffest penalties under the law.
Yes it is and maybe gurls would get protection from having to get beat by some ass hole monger that gave it to Amy, I just spoke to her. If I ever find out who you are, I highly recommend you relocate out of state.
WetPink500
05-17-13, 03:27
If we had rational laws in this country, prostitution would not be a crime but pimping and human trafficking would. That way the girls would have legal status (as in pay your taxes) , so would mongers, but the assholes who victimize the girls whether mongers or pimps would be subject to the stiffest penalties under the law.Amen too that one!
HangToTheLeft
05-24-13, 16:37
Mundo you know it sounds better if every girl is supposedly being snatched out of their homes and forced to do this, if they would legalize it then they could have the girls provide in a safe environment where then they would have to be tested (like they do in the porn industry) which then you could have an age limit so on and so forth, but its just the scare tactic that is put out there no counsel man wants his dirty laundry out there for the media to find out his little girl or wife is making a living as an escort that is political suicide.
To wetpink500 I have seen some of your post, my question to you as a provider were you forced into the industry against your own free will? Its just a question and the same goes to any provider out there.
Amen too that one!
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I last actively engaged in activity in South Beach almost 8 years ago, but I saw this and thought you guys might find it interesting. From the Huffington Post.
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Anna Burgese, Hotel Guest, Sues W South Beach Over Alleged Prostitute Assault.
New Jersey couple Joseph and Anna Burgese are suing the swanky W South Beach after Anna was assaulted in the hotel's lobby. The Burgeses say at least one alleged prostitute working the bar apparently mistook Anna for competition. And attacked her in a drunken turf war.
The lawsuit claims that not only does the W foster "a prostitute-friendly environment," but that hotel employees actually helped the assailants flee the scene by placing them in cabs.
"The Burgeses want justice, they want [the alleged attackers] caught and prosecuted," the couple's attorney Lance Rogers told the Philadelphia Daily News."The hotel has done absolutely nothing to help them and, in fact, has stood in the way of the process."
According to the Daily News, the Burgeses were regular guests at the W, staying so often they kept a car in Miami Beach. But the lawsuit says things went awry in the wee hours of January 19 as the couple walked through the hotel lobby.
"Anna Burgese was the subject of a completely unprovoked, sudden and brutal attack by an unknown number of defendants. [she] was grabbed from behind and thrown with great force into a stone wall head-first. [She] was also tackled to the ground and struck by her assailant," reads the filed complaint.
The police report from the incident mentions one suspect: "[Victim] states [suspect] must have thought she had said something to her but insists she did not."
After Joseph fended off the attacker with crutches, Anna was transported by ambulance to Mt. Sinai, where she was treated for trauma to her face and to her knee, Rogers told the Daily News.
Meanwhile, according to the lawsuit, Joseph had asked a hotel staff member to detain the brawling hookers. He also claims W employees told him they knew the identity of the women. But soon found out the assailants were not only gone, but that hotel staff had helped them into cabs.
"Later, the hotel staff claimed ignorance as to the identity of the attackers," according to the lawsuit, which accuses the W of ignoring a prostitution problem that has led to violence before.". Prostitutes are permitted to market themselves on the premises, as evidenced by, among other things, the reviews left on various travel websites by former guests."
The Burgeses have been unable to obtain surveillance video of the incident and accuse the hotel of being "evasive and completely unresponsive."
"We truly regret that this incident occurred and that one of our guests was injured," said a statement emailed to The Huffington Post from Starwood Hotels, which owns the W."Because of the pending litigation, we are unable to comment further at this time."
Court records show the lawsuit has been referred to arbitration.
Drunk Cop. I LOLed here.
http://news.yahoo.com/off-duty-az-cop-accused-pointing-gun-clerk-032832380.html
TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) A Tucson, Ariz, police officer has been fired after authorities say he pulled a gun on a gas station attendant while off duty and apparently intoxicated.
The Pima County Sheriff's Department notified Tucson police that 23-year-old Kyle James McCartin was arrested early Tuesday on two counts of aggravated assault.
Deputies were called to a Giant Gas Station and learned two men who appeared very intoxicated entered the store wearing bulletproof vests.
Authorities say one of the men pulled out a handgun and pointed it at the clerk twice.
Deputies found the men at a nearby apartment complex and the clerk identified McCartin as the man with the gun.
Police say McCartin was hired in September and was on probationary status.
It's unclear if he has a lawyer.
We all know our hobby is a perilous one, but this just adds another dimension to it. Be careful out there gents.
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/23504061/new-details-in-ft-myers-apartment-complex-murder#.UkB-FszD_ct
"FORT MYERS.
We have learned new information about the murder of Keith at Sienna at Vista Lake Apartments in Fort Myers Thursday night.
When police arrived they found. 58, of Cape Coral lying face down in the breezeway suffering from a gunshot wound to the back.
According to reports. 18-year-old suspect Brittany Stubbs told police she posed on Craigslist as a prostitute to lure to the apartment complex.
She told police her boyfriend Nehemiah Neal and another friend then robbed.
Stubbs told police she was inside an apartment when she heard a gun shot. She said she did not know would be killed.
Stubbs, of Immokalee, was arrested for felony murder.
Neal and the other unnamed friend have not been arrested.
Was a Realtor at Market America Realty, but previously owned Richochet Nightclub.
Hi wife says they have been together for 29 years and have four children and six grandchildren together."
There motherfuckers have nothing better to do. I am sure SW don't read the paper but I have known that popo check is a waist of time.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/strange/floriduh-blog/sfl-flduh-hookers-cat-and-mouse-20131002.0, 7519097. Story.
By Barbara Hijek.
FloriDUH.
7:19 a. M. EDT, October 3, 2013.
It appears an accused hooker's cat and mouse game with cop landed her a date with the judge.
An undercover Daytona Beach cop, who was working in an area known for street prostitution, called out to a woman,"Hey, babydoll, are you working?" according to police.
Once the woman, identified as Christina Marie Ferrara. 21, entered the unmarked police car, she immediately asked the 'john' if he was a cop. She then demanded he touch her breasts to prove that he was not a law-enforcement officer, according to the arrest report.
When the undercover officer told her that there were people nearby and was reluctant to touch her, Ferrara asked to exit the car, police reported.
Too late.
Since Ferrara allegedly asked the cop to touch her boobs on a public roadway in view of people, she committed another crime. Offering or agreeing to a lewd or indecent act.
FrankieFastNut
10-07-13, 01:33
There motherfuckers have nothing better to do. I am sure SW don't read the paper but I have known that popo check is a waist of time.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/strange/floriduh-blog/sfl-flduh-hookers-cat-and-mouse-20131002
0, 7519097. Story.
By Barbara Hijek.
FloriDUH.
7:19 am EDT, October 3, 2013.
An undercover Daytona Beach cop, who was working in an area known for street prostitution, called out to a woman,"Hey, babydoll, are you working?" according to police.
Once the woman, entered the unmarked police car, she immediately asked the 'john' if he was a cop. She then demanded he touch her breasts to prove that he was not a law-enforcement officer, according to the arrest report.
When the undercover officer told her that there were people nearby and was reluctant to touch her, Ferrara asked to exit the car, police reported.
Too late.
Since Ferrara allegedly asked the cop to touch her boobs on a public roadway in view of people, she committed another crime. Offering or agreeing to a lewd or indecent act.I hope she gets a good lawyer to sort this all out, but these undercovers really have nothing better to do? There are so many drug houses, pill mills, dometic violence, pirating, child pornography, and insurance fraud cases out there, but they rather use their dirty detective resources and maipulations of the law to catch johns and SW? Then they wonder why nobody supports their protests for higer wages when budgets get cut.
Mr Clubberman
10-07-13, 08:32
I hope she gets a good lawyer to sort this all out, but these undercovers really have nothing better to do? There are so many drug houses, pill mills, dometic violence, pirating, child pornography, and insurance fraud cases out there, but they rather use their dirty detective resources and maipulations of the law to catch johns and SW? Then they wonder why nobody supports their protests for higer wages when budgets get cut.Like most every government endeavor, waste abounds, results are never as expected, and usually politically motivated. Name one program, or anything that has come in at or under budget, had the results expected, and is non-partisan.
Member #4860
10-07-13, 19:49
Get a good lawyer? Are you kidding me? The mother fucking pigs know exactly who to victimize, and it's always the weak!
I hope she gets a good lawyer to sort this all out, but these undercovers really have nothing better to do? There are so many drug houses, pill mills, dometic violence, pirating, child pornography, and insurance fraud cases out there, but they rather use their dirty detective resources and maipulations of the law to catch johns and SW? Then they wonder why nobody supports their protests for higer wages when budgets get cut.
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/sex-industry-study-internet-driving-prostitution-streets-n50761
Member #4650
03-13-14, 11:56
They didn't mention USA SG but the fact that they wrote an article about the internet being used for the sex industry is a bit noteworthy. Then again this isn't really something new. One can buy a car, house, and even drugs online. Why is buying pussy online such a shocker?
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/sex-industry-study-internet-driving-prostitution-streets-n50761
the current media blitz started with the huffington post publicizing an odd study by a feminist discussing all adult issues as the results of human trafficking. she did an analysis that read like a college spohmore's term paper trying to analyze attitudes of the illinois streetwalker posters on the usa guide to try to say that the membership of this website are part of the reason for human trafficking and all the problems that poor women face.
i have not seen that myself. i am sure that human trafficking exists and that children are sexually abused. those are horrors. i have seen the admin of this site admonish postings that even imply anything about **** people as buyers or providers of any services.
the membership clearly must post that this site in no way condoms or encourages such horrible criminal behavior. sexual slavery and child sex abuse are very evil things. this site has nothing to do with them.
Member #4860
05-31-14, 01:40
Imagine that! Take a read at all the agencies and departments involved in shutting down a couple of harmless AMPs. Our tax dollars at work gentlemen... Kind of a shame cuzz if you look at the pics in the actual article you'll see those table showers look fine.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/05/30/4148119/doral-shuts-2-illegal-massage.html
Doral shuts 2 illegal massage parlors, makes arrests.
Police shut down New Oriental Massage and Sunshine Oriental Massage after cops were solicited.
Following a six month investigation, Doral Police arrested Jennifer Xiao, owner of two massage parlors in Doral, where employees provided sexual services, authorities said Friday.
Xiao, 47, owner of New Oriental Massage and Sunshine Oriental Massage was taken into custody by police alongside Cheng Wang, 49 and Shu Fen Tang, 52, two of her employees.
Both premises raided Thursday night had illegally-built kitchens and laundries, and served as a home to several employees, said Doral Lt. Orlando Sanchez.
"The investigation arose from information we got about suspicious activities at these locations, Snchez told el Nuevo Herald. "In addition to prostitution, female employees were living there...Given the complexity of the case we requested support from other agencies.".
Detectives from Miami-Dade Police and the Division of Human Trafficking of Homeland Security and the Department of Health joined Doral to investigate the case, Sanchez said.
The first raid took place Thursday in New Oriental Massage, at 2600 NW 87th Ave., around 7 pm According to Sanchez, an undercover detective went in for a massage and was offered sexual services by Wang soon after.
Once the detective was solicited, he signaled other agents to hit another address, where four more employees were found.
Some three miles away, officers visited Xiao's Sunshine Oriental Massage, at 4219 107th Ave. An undercover detective also received a massage and was offered sexual services by Tang, 52.
Xiao was arrested on charges of hiring unlicensed massage therapists. Wang and Tang were interviewed by Homeland Security detectives to determine if they were victims of human trafficking.
However, they later were arrested on charges of prostitution and practicing massage therapy without a license.
Doral code compliance officers shut down both locations. Sanchez said police will continue to investigate other Doral massage parlors.
"These investigations began late last year with anonymous information we received, Sanchez said. "These first arrests help us realize a complex reality in our community, one which we can't ignore.".
Member #4860
06-05-14, 00:26
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/06/04/4158901/bongos-cuban-cafe-closing-estefans.html
Slowly but surely our beloved OT will be crowded out by the wealthy interests encroaching along the borders and it won't just be the SWs who will disappear!
The Miami Herald.
Posted on Wed, Jun. 04,2014.
Bongos Cuban Caf closing; Estefans plan to open new restaurant near Arsht Center.
Entrepreneur and music producer Emilio Estefan said Wednesday he will not renew the lease for his restaurant Bongos Cuban Caf, which has operated for the past 15 years at the AmericanAirlines Arena, and will open Estefan Kitchen in a building that he plans to erect less than a mile away in downtown Miami.
Construction of the new building will take a "couple of years, Estefan estimated.
Estefan said the decision to remove his popular restaurant from the Miami Heat's home is not due to an alleged increase in the rent, as has been reported by some websites.
"There was no conflict. I don't know why the speculation (arose), Estefan said. "We are not leaving because of a raise in rent, either. I always agreed with the rent. We did very well, we made money at the AmericanAirlines Arena, but there comes a time in which after renting an apartment, you wish to buy your own house. ".
Estefan said his business relationship with the Heat will continue because he will keep three Bongos stands inside the arena.
Estefan said Wednesday he decided several months ago not to renew the full restaurant's lease, which expires at the end of June, because he had already opted to begin construction of a new home for Estefans Kitchen on land he owns at Northeast First Avenue and 14th Street, behind the Miami-Dade School Board building.
In 2000, Estefan and his wife, Gloria, bought three adjoining lots adding up to a little more than 28,000 square feet in that area for $500,000 each, according to public records. In 2011, they acquired three additional lots on the same block for a total of $1. 5 million. The transactions were done through corporations owned by the couple and close acquaintances.
The Miami Heat respected Estefan's decision, according to the team's president of business operations, Eric Woolworth.
"We have enjoyed our association with Bongos and the Estefans very much, Woolworth said in a statement. "They have been great tenants and we wish them the best in their future projects. They will continue to be part of the Heat family. ".
About the new building, Estefan said that, in addition to the new restaurant, he plans to include several floors of parking, a hotel and banquet halls, with access to a swimming pool on the roof for hosting receptions.
The project is in the permit-acquisition stage, and the height of the building has not been determined yet.
"We're looking into the zoning issue to see how many floors we can build, Estefan said. "Once we get the permits, we will begin construction. ".
Estefan said his chain of Bongos restaurants includes locations in Hollywood, Miami Beach, Miami International Airport and Orlando, and that he is negotiating to open one in Las Vegas.
Member #4562
07-18-14, 18:53
I was surfing the web and and came across this website. I don't know is this legal or not?
I don't know if this guy still doing this.
http://www.vice.com/read/streetwatch-miamiI'm going to guess he's more low profile now than he was back then.
Member #4860
07-18-14, 19:05
I believe he stopped taking pics of the OT hoes some time ago.
I'm going to guess he's more low profile now than he was back then.
Member #4562
07-18-14, 19:34
I believe he stopped taking pics of OT hoes some time ago.About 3 months ago he came forth, we where talking about locations and I was giving some input to another monger. When out of no where he pops up and says he know where that loction is, I will report it.
ChillyWilly325
01-18-15, 17:32
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/analyst-greg-anthony-suspended-after-solicitation-charge/ar-AA8gS0H?ocid=ansspap11
And I thought mongering was only for non famous people.
I'm going to guess he's more low profile now than he was back then.I clicked on the link and behold I recognize 4 of them. Monica is one and April (RIP) is another.
If you didn't see my report in the streetwalkers thread check it out. Also check out this article, Uncle LEO's not messing around right now in Dade or Broward.
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Fourth-Man-Arrested-in-Hialeah-Human-Trafficking-Case-Police-299737421.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_MIBrand
Be safe out there! Happy Hunting!
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/article18687558.html
ChillyWilly325
06-21-15, 05:07
Was cruising backpage and ran across this, just becarefull out there.
http://miami.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/beware-of-dalbert-hernandez-robs-and-gave-several-girls-stds-925-481-1658/31505932
Muff Diver 305
07-11-15, 22:38
I found out on local10.com that a female blk cop is involved in porn and the dept is investigating her and she stays with a man that's a rapist and an ex cop. Correct me if I'm wrong. I heard she was involved in porn before she became a cop. It's none of the departments business what she do.
Member #4860
07-12-15, 13:21
Apparently the PD is looking at kicking her out for "behavior unbecoming of an officer" even though she insists her porn activity, to which she has admitted, was prior to her becoming a cop. The problem for her is she apparently failed to disclose it in her PD employment application. That Haitian pig hoe does look pretty hot I have to say. Wonder if any of you online sleuth mongers out there have a link to any of her videos? If you do please post or PM.
I found out on local10.com that a female blk cop is involved in porn and the dept is investigating her and she stays with a man that's a rapist and an ex cop. Correct me if I'm wrong. I heard she was involved in porn before she became a cop. It's none of the departments business what she do.
This is the video that is portrayed on the media.
http://media.theync.com/vids/users/9818/video_9818_LGUSY.mp4
Here is another.
http://www.dailyjunky.com/video/2364/miami-police-officer-sabine-raymonvil-sex-movie.html
Goddamn she loves sucking ass.
Apparently the PD is looking at kicking her out for "behavior unbecoming of an officer" even though she insists her porn activity, to which she has admitted, was prior to her becoming a cop. The problem for her is she apparently failed to disclose it in her PD employment application. That Haitian pig hoe does look pretty hot I have to say. Wonder if any of you online sleuth mongers out there have a link to any of her videos? If you do please post or PM.
The 11 minute vids.
http://xxxbunker.com/7260043
Still can't believe the ass eating. Holy shit!
Apparently the PD is looking at kicking her out for "behavior unbecoming of an officer" even though she insists her porn activity, to which she has admitted, was prior to her becoming a cop. The problem for her is she apparently failed to disclose it in her PD employment application. That Haitian pig hoe does look pretty hot I have to say. Wonder if any of you online sleuth mongers out there have a link to any of her videos? If you do please post or PM.
Member #4860
07-13-15, 00:24
Holy shit, you monger internet sleuths are fast! I guess this gives a new name to "Dirty Pig" LOL.
The 11 minute vids.
http://xxxbunker.com/7260043
Still can't believe the ass eating. Holy shit!
DownForPoundin
07-13-15, 08:03
Holy shit, you monger internet sleuths are fast! I guess this gives a new name to "Dirty Pig" LOL.Dang that is the nastiest porn I have seen. There literally was crap in the video WTF.
Arealfreak2000
07-13-15, 12:13
The 11 minute vids.
http://xxxbunker.com/7260043
Still can't believe the ass eating. Holy shit!He literally fucked the shit out of her!
FrankSzoll
09-25-15, 11:30
He literally fucked the shit out of her!Ok it's been awhile. Any update on this? Anyone find the other videos?
I'm thinking she may have to make her way back to hoing once she loses that fat salary.
ChillyWilly325
08-05-16, 18:38
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/41-arrested-in-online-sex-trafficking-sting/ar-BBvitbi?li=BBnb7Kz
God dam wow.
Miami Herald: He lured women to Miami Beach for yoga studio jobs. Then he forced them to sell sex.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article115763168.html
I'd make a bet right now this turns out to be horseshit. My money says they got busted for selling pussy then said he forced them.
I want to see the picture of them behind locked doors. There are states that have written that statute so broadly that if you pick up a hooker, take her to your spot, get a blowjob, then take her back you are guilty of trafficking because you transported a person for the purpose of commercial sex.
A2
UM & FIU students arrested for prostitution by Coral Gables police. For 5,000 dollars, I wonder if this was a Seeking Arrangement sting.
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/College-Students-Arrested-in-Coral-Gables-Prostitution-Sting-417704393.html
http://www.local10.com/news/um-fiu-students-arrested-in-prostitution-sting
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/coral-gables/article141858114.html
Cousin Vinny
03-31-17, 05:51
UM & FIU students arrested for prostitution by Coral Gables police. For 5,000 dollars, I wonder if this was a Seeking Arrangement sting.
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/College-Students-Arrested-in-Coral-Gables-Prostitution-Sting-417704393.html
http://www.local10.com/news/um-fiu-students-arrested-in-prostitution-sting
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/coral-gables/article141858114.htmlI have never used the site but would figure that one would have paid something online first or be verified? Or at least the guy would know what the rates are for what he wanted before meeting. They did however not say how it was set up which they usually do.
Tiger Guy X
03-31-17, 17:51
UM & FIU students arrested for prostitution by Coral Gables police. For 5,000 dollars, I wonder if this was a Seeking Arrangement sting.
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/College-Students-Arrested-in-Coral-Gables-Prostitution-Sting-417704393.html
http://www.local10.com/news/um-fiu-students-arrested-in-prostitution-sting
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/coral-gables/article141858114.htmlI'd read about that sting too. I'm definitely curious to know how it was setup. It definitely doesn't seem like a BP type sting given the $5 K. If it was BP they should have known better.
Glenn Uknow
04-01-17, 05:12
I'd read about that sting too. I'm definitely curious to know how it was setup. It definitely doesn't seem like a BP type sting given the $5 K. If it was BP they should have known better.Yeah, right? Five Grand for sex should have raised a red flag there. LOL.
Glenn Uknow
04-07-17, 05:08
If this is true, then HPV must be about as much of a threat as Chicken Pox or Mononucleosis.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/health/hpv-virus-survey-united-states.html
If this is true, then HPV must be about as much of a threat as Chicken Pox or Mononucleosis.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/health/hpv-virus-survey-united-states.htmlYeah it means we all fucked.
Gringo2123
05-01-17, 07:20
Little pricey but my type of ho. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-charged-agreeing-swap-sex-25-fast-food-article-1.3120343.
Wonder if this shirt could go down here.
http://projects.seattletimes.com/2017/eastside-prostitution-bust/
Glenn Uknow
08-13-17, 05:23
Two more adventure and I think I'll complete the AMP in Doral area and that is in and. W. 25th st. And 87th Ave. And in 7930 NW 36th St.The AMP at 7800 nw 25st, shows some good potential, but Doral cops no doubt are looking at them now. And the one in the Dunkin-donut plaza at 87 ave and 26 street?, if that's the one you're refering to, is not a good choice. They got busted a while back and are probably only doing FS on known clients.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article1965276.html
There is, or was another AMP in that plaza on the 25th street side at 8726. I have not been there in over a year, but they were a good option at one time.
Very Scary
08-13-17, 09:46
Hey guys, I'm visiting Miami next weekend. Staying on the south end of South Beach. Any good AMP places in that area. Looking for good massage with HJ / or FS if available. I see Jee Jee is walking distance from my hotel. Any Intel on that place? I live in Atlanta, so I will gladly reciprocate the favor.You're from NYC? The AMPs down here are nothing like the ones up there. You will be very disappointed. The AMPs in New York are like heaven compared to the crappy ones in Miami.
Also all the ones on the beach have been shut down. http://wsvn.com/news/local/4-miami-beach-massage-parlors-shut-down-amid-alleged-prostitution-sex-trafficking/.
Cousin Vinny
08-13-17, 11:31
The AMP at 7800 nw 25st, shows some good potential, but Doral cops no doubt are looking at them now. And the one in the Dunkin-donut plaza at 87 ave and 26 street?, if that's the one you're refering to, is not a good choice. They got busted a while back and are probably only doing FS on known clients.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article1965276.html
There is, or was another AMP in that plaza on the 25th street side at 8726. I have not been there in over a year, but they were a good option at one time.Wow! There has been an increased number of busts on the MP's. Might be good to steer clear until the heat dies down.
Gringo2123
08-13-17, 11:39
https://www.local10.com/news/crime/miami-beach-massage-parlors-suspected-of-prostitution
PoPo ain't playing.
KittyWhisperer
08-20-17, 01:19
https://www.local10.com/news/crime/miami-beach-massage-parlors-suspected-of-prostitution
PoPo ain't playing.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=btheeIEDIrE&feature=youtu.be
JustARegJoe
09-05-17, 13:01
https://www.local10.com/news/crime/miami-beach-massage-parlors-suspected-of-prostitution
PoPo ain't playing.That a pitty Jade massage actually gave a great actual massage!
Gringo2123
06-18-18, 08:31
Wonder what his screename was?? https://www.local10.com/news/crime/man-arrested-after-body-of-woman-found-on-side-of-street.
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Miami-Man-Now-Charged-in-Murder-of-Second-Woman-485863171.html
The creep who killed the girl off of 27 ave has now been charged with another murder. I wonder how many girls this guy has killed all together. Years ago there was a guy I think named Conde who killed like 8 girls on 8th street before he was caught. I know its sometimes tough to walk away from a girl who rips you off but choking and killing her will probably land you in prison for a very long time.
Glenn Uknow
06-19-18, 04:52
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Miami-Man-Now-Charged-in-Murder-of-Second-Woman-485863171.html
The creep who killed the girl off of 27 ave has now been charged with another murder. I wonder how many girls this guy has killed all together. Years ago there was a guy I think named Conde who killed like 8 girls on 8th street before he was caught. I know its sometimes tough to walk away from a girl who rips you off but choking and killing her will probably land you in prison for a very long time.Seems all the upper crust has come in off the street and moved to the internet now. The places once popular for prowling are literally a human debris dumping ground as the quality of women one will encounter has sunken so low that it's just not very appealing to a veteran monger.
Let.
S just hope that the internet will stay open and free. I see that L1 stcrawl-er is back up now. For how long, who knows?
http://backpage.com.miami.listcrawler.com/gallery/1/#.
No wonder Pompano has so many good reports:
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/BSO-Arrested-30-Alleged-Prostitutes-in-June-in-Pompano-Beach-487261241.html
Glenn Uknow
12-06-19, 20:19
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Nice little chickie to get your sexual frustrations out on, Here's mine, I'm naming her Lola as she reminds me of my favorite Asian massage girl.
Just got her this morning, I assembled her, cut her hair and then promptly de-flowered her little virgin twat.
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Eddie Eddie
12-06-19, 21:22
No wonder Pompano has so many good reports:
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/BSO-Arrested-30-Alleged-Prostitutes-in-June-in-Pompano-Beach-487261241.htmlGo figure. The woman's jail is right there on 27th ave just north od Coconut Creek Pkway.
If you want to find some gems just hang out at the Wendy's at NW 27th ave and Coconut Creek / Hammondville / MLK (what ever they are calling it this week) late at night, especially on Tuesday and Wednesday nights when they cut loose the girls from the Grey bar Motel just up the road. Also the Chevron Station at Copans and Andrews as well as the Marathon at Copans and Powerline are prime for late night Street Walker action.
Dildo Baggens
12-07-19, 16:41
So, how was the conversation? Hopefully no awkward silences after the deflowering. Of course, you're probably fluent in Japanese.
Here's some good news for you sickos that might have you spend less time on the streets. Amazon is the place to get Asian Sex Dolls on clearance, for 300-550 bucks you can have a hot TPE (Thermoplastic elastomer) sex doll.
Nice little chickie to get your sexual frustrations out on, Here's mine, I'm naming her Lola as she reminds me of my favorite Asian massage girl.
Just got her this morning, I assembled her, cut her hair and then promptly de-flowered her little virgin twat.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D7Q84DC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/NWDoll-153cm-F-Cup-Full-Size/dp/B07D7TJDRG/ref=pd_sbs_121_3/145-4839813-4418020?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07D7TJDRG&pd_rd_r=e0ecb044-ea39-4586-bc05-46f33406df8a&pd_rd_w=GWTxs&pd_rd_wg=UqbPM&pf_rd_p=5873ae95-9063-4a23-9b7e-eafa738c2269&pf_rd_r=Z9AN73Y5KSVMZYV41EK7&psc=1&refRID=Z9AN73Y5KSVMZYV41EK7
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Joseph Kerr
12-07-19, 17:17
Can you get them cheaper by buying Refurbished / Used models? Haha.
Here's some good news for you sickos that might have you spend less time on the streets. Amazon is the place to get Asian Sex Dolls on clearance, for 300-550 bucks you can have a hot TPE (Thermoplastic elastomer) sex doll.
Nice little chickie to get your sexual frustrations out on, Here's mine, I'm naming her Lola as she reminds me of my favorite Asian massage girl.
Just got her this morning, I assembled her, cut her hair and then promptly de-flowered her little virgin twat.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D7Q84DC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/NWDoll-153cm-F-Cup-Full-Size/dp/B07D7TJDRG/ref=pd_sbs_121_3/145-4839813-4418020?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07D7TJDRG&pd_rd_r=e0ecb044-ea39-4586-bc05-46f33406df8a&pd_rd_w=GWTxs&pd_rd_wg=UqbPM&pf_rd_p=5873ae95-9063-4a23-9b7e-eafa738c2269&pf_rd_r=Z9AN73Y5KSVMZYV41EK7&psc=1&refRID=Z9AN73Y5KSVMZYV41EK7
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JMYRC2S/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Lifelike-Openings-Entity-Natural-Chosen/dp/B07FBSN71C/ref=pd_sbs_121_6/145-4839813-4418020?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07FBSN71C&pd_rd_r=01681102-6375-4e40-9fb8-0d38b9dd352a&pd_rd_w=FFPfM&pd_rd_wg=sUls6&pf_rd_p=5873ae95-9063-4a23-9b7e-eafa738c2269&pf_rd_r=HTSVQ9NHSRZNHS16JDJ5&psc=1&refRID=HTSVQ9NHSRZNHS16JDJ5
https://www.amazon.com/NWDoll-158cm-Breasts-Lifelike-Skeleton/dp/B07G36DZGK/ref=pd_sbs_121_3/145-4839813-4418020?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07G36DZGK&pd_rd_r=afe53a3c-8e0e-46b8-960c-a302149c502a&pd_rd_w=uKErv&pd_rd_wg=SXovK&pf_rd_p=5873ae95-9063-4a23-9b7e-eafa738c2269&pf_rd_r=VSRQYKFKCX2WA3CB4273&psc=1&refRID=VSRQYKFKCX2WA3CB4273
Glenn Uknow
12-07-19, 18:40
Can you get them cheaper by buying Refurbished / Used models? Haha.I have not seen any per-owned dolls for sale anywhere, not the ones you can actually bang. But even if I did, this is a personal health item, so I'll pass. Not wanting someone else's germs.
And with Amazon selling quality life size dolls for as little $301/ free shipping, why bother looking for used dolls.
It's not for everyone for sure, but if you're into novelty stuff, a life size sex doll is an interesting item.
Glenn Uknow
12-07-19, 18:58
So, how was the conversation? Hopefully no awkward silences after the deflowering. Of course, you're probably fluent in Japanese.Well, if you do buy one, buy the 5-600 dollar range as there there are sellers sending blow-up dolls instead on the cheaper advertised dolls. It's always good to email the seller first and ask for a guarantee that you will get the doll in the photos. I did this and they sent me the factory pics.
Asians are different,
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/silicone-sally-japanese-men-find-true-love-with-sex-dolls-8991648
Not judging, just saying
A2
Glenn Uknow
12-07-19, 21:39
These dolls are like most stuff for sale, supply and demand. This Mulan doll is very popular and normally goes for at least $1000 and up.
https://www.mysiliconelovedoll.com/sex-dolls-for-men-mulan
https://sexdollcanada.com/products/146-49-c-cup-mulan-d4e
http://erotic-dolls.com/product/mulan/
But when an item is not selling fast enough to make room for more inventory from their plant in China, they slash the prices. Thus a quality doll for 3-400 dollars.
If you do buy one, I would suggest to buy the 5-600 dollar range as there there are sellers sending blow-up dolls instead on the cheaper advertised dolls. It's always good to email the seller first and ask for a guarantee that you will get the doll in the photos.
I did this and they sent me the factory pics. You never know about a sellers intentions, you can look at the reviews and ratings to see if there's been some rip-offs complained about.
This doll is on sale for $301.00 & FREE Shipping, the seller works with Amazon Fulfillment which means it should be good. But they will likely be sold out soon.
https://www.amazon.com/Lifelike-Openings-Entity-Natural-Chosen/dp/B07FBSN71C/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
https://www.amazon.com/sp?_encoding=UTF8&asin=&isAmazonFulfilled=1&isCBA=&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&orderID=&seller=A5UPDWB3POS63&tab=&vasStoreID=
I think this would have been another good choice as this TPE doll's body has some nice proportions.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GF9GMQ1/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=AVM7QAP7YTAF8&psc=1
The new skeleton technology is what is demanding 1-3 thousand bucks now. New joints, new connectors for the head, greater range of flexibility. And the use of Silicone Rubber instead of TPE cost a lot more but is a more durable product.
Check out these sites, explains it.
https://www.finelovedolls.com/forums/topic/skeletons-connectors/
https://www.finelovedolls.com/sex-dolls-guide/tpe-vs-silicone/
Glenn Uknow
12-08-19, 08:22
Asians are different,
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/silicone-sally-japanese-men-find-true-love-with-sex-dolls-8991648
Not judging, just saying
A2LOL! For sure. I've been to Japan and all over the far East. By far the Japanese are the wackiest bunch of little pervs that ever walked the earth.
Back in the 80's,when I was near the outskirts of Tokyo I went to a strip club there called The Running Waters (at least that what Americans called it) , had fountains everywhere.
If you pay extra you get to sit in the front row to watch the girls dance.
But then at the end of each dance the girls on two stages would invite the next two guys at the end of the split front row to come up on stage and everyone else moves over one chair.
Then the soft music starts, the girl has a basket of condoms and lube there, and the guy on stage gets to screw the dancer in front of everyone.
Needless to say, some guys couldn't get it up and others got into it and performed well. The Japanese men would all clap in unison for a guy with a biggest dick banging the little stripper girl silly, she would be either Filipino, Malaysian or Korean, didn't see any real Japanese women in establishments that were not "Japanese Only".
The Japanese are open to segregation and will deny you entry into some of the finer places, but then politely direct you to a similar type "foreigner friendly" place down the street.
While prostitution was and still is illegal in Japan, Sex happens all the time in bath houses, strip clubs, and hostess services places.
Eddie Eddie
12-08-19, 21:43
https://www.local10.com/news/crime/miami-beach-massage-parlors-suspected-of-prostitution
PoPo ain't playing.I'm guessing they failed to sufficiently grease the palms of the mayor and / or police chief.
ReadyFreddy
12-09-19, 08:42
I'm guessing they failed to sufficiently grease the palms of the mayor and / or police chief.This was 2017. I'm sure they all are back up and running.
I think Hollywood has the most Asian parlors.
That mayor must be rich!
Joseph Kerr
12-09-19, 09:40
I was kidding.
I have not seen any per-owned dolls for sale anywhere, not the ones you can actually bang. But even if I did, this is a personal health item, so I'll pass. Not wanting someone else's germs.
And with Amazon selling quality life size dolls for as little $301/ free shipping, why bother looking for used dolls.
It's not for everyone for sure, but if you're into novelty stuff, a life size sex doll is an interesting item.
Gringo2123
12-12-19, 07:57
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/gainey-arrested-massive-prostitution-sting-111406019.html
This is why its important to do LEO check before discussing anything. Video had him sitting on a couch with a smoking hot busty sheriffs deputy casually letting her go thru her check list of things needed to make a lawful arrest. Going to be a tough holiday for him with the wife.
ViktorMaximus
11-10-20, 12:13
https://wsvn.com/news/special-reports/trashing-the-neighborhood-miami-residents-look-to-block-off-streets-to-deter-prostitution/
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/gainey-arrested-massive-prostitution-sting-111406019.html
This is why its important to do LEO check before discussing anything. Video had him sitting on a couch with a smoking hot busty sheriffs deputy casually letting her go thru her check list of things needed to make a lawful arrest. Going to be a tough holiday for him with the wife.LOL, Tommy 2-gloves of the PGA tour can go hang out and get drunk with Tiger Woods.
https://wsvn.com/news/special-reports/trashing-the-neighborhood-miami-residents-look-to-block-off-streets-to-deter-prostitution/Flagami neighbors want to block off their streets? Well, Miami Shores did that years ago along Biscayns and it helped. But the mongering action just moved into North Miami.
JustAGuy123
11-11-20, 15:13
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/gainey-arrested-massive-prostitution-sting-111406019.html
This is why its important to do LEO check before discussing anything. Video had him sitting on a couch with a smoking hot busty sheriffs deputy casually letting her go thru her check list of things needed to make a lawful arrest. Going to be a tough holiday for him with the wife.What exactly is the LEO check? They can lie and deceive legally I've had my suspicions of what to check for but wonder if I do it correctly? Not that I ever break the law in my fantasies anyway.
ReallyNone
11-11-20, 20:26
What exactly is the LEO check? They can lie and deceive legally I've had my suspicions of what to check for but wonder if I do it correctly? Not that I ever break the law in my fantasies anyway.Great question, I asked the same under Florida / general.
What exactly is the LEO check? They can lie and deceive legally I've had my suspicions of what to check for but wonder if I do it correctly? Not that I ever break the law in my fantasies anyway.A LEO check is when you encounter a "working girl" and she wants you to you pull out your junk and let her grab it a massage it. Because a "professional" Law Enforcement Officer won't normally go there as he would be committing a lewd act to entice her to do the same, which would be entrapment.
And most cops don't like being touched by these girls as they often have family at home. So if a guy ie evasive about a girl touching his junk then he's not really there for fun, he's got another reason and could be an under-cover cop.
Sometimes cops will get naked to convince the girl he's legit, but when she reaches for his dick to start a BJ and he resist, then that's a red flag.
All this happens before any talk of money changing hands because most cops will just want the suspect to agree to a sex act for money and have it recorded, so the rest is easy.
Because having sex is not illegal and getting paid is not illegal, But talking about getting paid to have sex is a crime, it's called solicitation for means of prostitution.
So never let any girl stand outside your car and negotiate a price for anything.
And in an AMP just display your junk in a friendly way and there's no doubt you're there for fun and not looking to bust anyone.
The worse that can happen is you get turned down by the girl either because she's not doing that or she wants too much for her stock.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/gainey-arrested-massive-prostitution-sting-111406019.html
This is why its important to do LEO check before discussing anything. Video had him sitting on a couch with a smoking hot busty sheriffs deputy casually letting her go thru her check list of things needed to make a lawful arrest. Going to be a tough holiday for him with the wife.Dam effin LEO using online bait tactics, yes read the 22 monger rules here on Front Page, here is a link.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules
BobbyElvis
11-12-20, 00:50
What exactly is the LEO check? They can lie and deceive legally I've had my suspicions of what to check for but wonder if I do it correctly? Not that I ever break the law in my fantasies anyway.In reality, there is no fool proof, iron clad LEO check. Cops are given great leeway when undercover in order to make an arrest.
I've checked the most common methods I've heard of with actual practicing attorneys, including criminal defense types. The answer was also "LOL no. " to just about every method. Of course, their suggestion was "don't engage in criminal activity" (and, maybe, don't engage in criminal activity with people you don't know, but even that isn't foolproof).
If you're going after street walkers, do not negotiate or mention any sort of sexual activity through your car window. Offer them a ride, and get them in your car, then talk business. LEO do not want to get in your vehicle. That's a situation that can go bad so many ways, they'll avoid it like the plague. If you do negotiate while they're outside the car, and they try to direct you to meet them at another location (around the corner, in that hotel, etc) don't go to where they indicate. Their pals will be waiting for you.
If you're aiming for a provider a bit more upscale, check for reviews, preferably from Seniors. That's a good indication the provider is legit.
Also, higher end providers ($300/ HR and up) will probably have a social media presence and maybe a website. They'll talk about availability, rates, etc.
The higher you go up the scale, usually you find less risk of hassle from Uncle LEO. "Usually" is the key. Cops typically want to go after low hanging fruit, so bagging street johns is easier than setting up years worth of Twitter feed to bring in a small handful of guys.
Yeah, these are pretty basic and fundamental tips, but sometimes guys forget, and new guys don't know.
In reality, there is no fool proof, iron clad LEO check. Cops are given great leeway when undercover in order to make an arrest.
If you're going after street walkers, do not negotiate or mention any sort of sexual activity through your car window. Offer them a ride, and get them in your car, then talk business. LEO do not want to get in your vehicle. That's a situation that can go bad so many ways, they'll avoid it like the plague. If you do negotiate while they're outside the car, and they try to direct you to meet them at another location (around the corner, in that hotel, etc) don't go to where they indicate. Their pals will be waiting for you.
Yeah, these are pretty basic and fundamental tips, but sometimes guys forget, and new guys don't knowI got my lock down monger rule routine when I see a street walker and when a Civi agree to a motion as old as king tut are the gems indeed.
Mongee and be safe, never leave tour guards down unless you really know the girl.
ChillinFlorida
11-13-20, 01:12
Because a "professional" Law Enforcement Officer won't normally go there as he would be committing a lewd act to entice her to do the same, which would be entrapment.
Two ladies I know that worked at jack shacks got busted by cops but the charges were dropped when the owners revealed that the rooms had cameras. It showed the two cops interacting with the ladies, the one got his dick jacked both he and she were naked, and the other one was fingering the lady and sucking her titts. They both interrupted the sessions and came back with their crew to bust them. The cops are not supposed to be touched or touch but they are men before cops LOL.
Because a "professional" Law Enforcement Officer won't normally go there as he would be committing a lewd act to entice her to do the same, which would be entrapment.
Two ladies I know that worked at jack shacks got busted by cops but the charges were dropped when the owners revealed that the rooms had cameras. It showed the two cops interacting with the ladies, the one got his dick jacked both he and she were naked, and the other one was fingering the lady and sucking her titts. They both interrupted the sessions and came back with their crew to bust them. The cops are not supposed to be touched or touch but they are men before cops LOL.A good lawyer would have the charges tossed out. Especially if the cop initiated the conversation.
In reality, there is no fool proof, iron clad LEO check. Cops are given great leeway when undercover in order to make an arrest.
I've checked the most common methods I've heard of with actual practicing attorneys, including criminal defense types. The answer was also "LOL no. " to just about every method. Of course, their suggestion was "don't engage in criminal activity" (and, maybe, don't engage in criminal activity with people you don't know, but even that isn't foolproof).If you're going after street walkers, do not negotiate or mention any sort of sexual activity through your car window. Offer them a ride, and get them in your car, then talk business. LEO do not want to get in your vehicle. That's a situation that can go bad so many ways, they'll avoid it like the plague. If you do negotiate while they're outside the car, and they try to direct you to meet them at another location (around the corner, in that hotel, etc) don't go to where they indicate. Their pals will be waiting for you.If you're aiming for a provider a bit more upscale, check for reviews, preferably from Seniors. That's a good indication the provider is legit.Also, higher end providers ($300/ HR and up) will probably have a social media presence and maybe a website. They'll talk about availability, rates, etc.
The higher you go up the scale, usually you find less risk of hassle from Uncle LEO. "Usually" is the key. Cops typically want to go after low hanging fruit, so bagging street johns is easier than setting up years worth of Twitter feed to bring in a small handful of guys.
Yeah, these are pretty basic and fundamental tips, but sometimes guys forget, and new guys don't knowBack in the mid-90's I was living in St. Pete. One night I picked up a "WSW" and I diverted down a side street. As we were chatting I noticed a car, without its head-lights on, following me from a distance. I turned down another side street and that car followed.
Up to that point, the "WSW" and I had casual chit-chat but nothing incriminating. I stopped, told her I was not feeling good, let her out, and drove off. 2 or 3 minutes later, I got pulled over by LEO, they ran my plates and D / L, questioned me, but did not charge with anything. My picture was taken for "future reference" and allowed to leave.
I've never had another experience like that but, IMO, it's good practice to be aware of my surroundings, especially what's behind me.
Regards.
Mal.
ChillinFlorida
11-20-20, 04:34
A good lawyer would have the charges tossed out. Especially if the cop initiated the conversation.Cop doesn't need to finger anyone, that's doig way too much.
EddieEddie
11-27-20, 09:27
Back in the mid-90's I was living in St. Pete. One night I picked up a "WSW" and I diverted down a side street. As we were chatting I noticed a car, without its head-lights on, following me from a distance. I turned down another side street and that car followed.
Up to that point, the "WSW" and I had casual chit-chat but nothing incriminating. I stopped, told her I was not feeling good, let her out, and drove off. 2 or 3 minutes later, I got pulled over by LEO, they ran my plates and D / L, questioned me, but did not charge with anything. My picture was taken for "future reference" and allowed to leave.
I've never had another experience like that but, IMO, it's good practice to be aware of my surroundings, especially what's behind me.
Regards.
Mal.For sure that. I have had several harrowing moments with police and now I'm real careful about who is behind me.
PeterPipes
11-27-20, 14:47
For sure that. I have had several harrowing moments with police and now I'm real careful about who is behind me.Back then the beach had SW at SW prices and some even had their own efficiency or even apts. I picked one up one day and she led me to an apt building not far. She went in and I waited for about 15 minutes when she didn't come out I left. I'm driving back passing by the street where I picked her up and I get pulled over by UC. That said they saw me pick her up when she came out of the store and they followed us to the apt building. They wanted to know what we went down there for. I told them I have her a ride and when she didn't come out I left. They went through their dog and pony show (license check and a light car search) and let me go. You never know where they are just be sure you and your ride are clean.
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