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Greetings everyone,
I have received a number of complaints about Bird Dropping's recent posts, generally requesting that I take a range of actions from deleting his posts to banning him from the forum.
However, there was recent situation on another forum wherein I was blamed for causing a forum member quit the forum after I dared to ask him to post his diatribes in a separate thread, after which I had to defend my decision for the next 4 pages of posts. A small number of members threatened to quit in protest, others suggested instead that I should just have advised other members to use the "Ignore" function if they don't like what a specific member posts, and other members with actual balls chimed in to support my decision.
Anyway, due to these events, I'm just not all that enthusiastic about cracking down on what some members might consider just another "colorful" contributor, so I'm just going to pass the buck here by using a survey to ascertain the opinions of the membership.
The question is simple: What, if anything, should I do about Bird Dropping and/or his reports?
Of course, there's no way I can win in this situation because somebody, either Bird Dropping or his detractors, will be unhappy with the outcome, so all I'm really expecting to get is some sense of where the membership's compass is on these sort of situations.
As always, I look forward to receiving your input.
Thanks,
Jackson
Seva Lurker
06-26-09, 20:07
While I think banning may be in order. As he has violated at least one of the forum rules (use of the word 'bich' even if misspelled, is derogatory to women). I have voted just to delete his offending posts (which is something like four of his five).
I really consider his one post where he describes nearly (if not actually) raping (forced sex whether a working girl or not is still rape) the girl in the AMP very extreme.
Regardless whether he is banned or not, he will still be out preying on the ladies. And that in itself is scary.
Jackson, you have done an excellent job on maintaining the board. You're patience is outstanding. I am sure you have come close to losing it many times. It is a shame that some of the readers do not understand or accept what you do for us.
Many thanks.
Jackson,
Seva Lurker has described my feelings perfectly. I also agree with his assessment of the job you are doing here and would like to add my appreciation.
While I think banning may be in order. As he has violated at least one of the forum rules (use of the word 'bich' even if misspelled, is derogatory to women). I have voted just to delete his offending posts (which is something like four of his five).
I really consider his one post where he describes nearly (if not actually) raping (forced sex whether a working girl or not is still rape) the girl in the AMP very extreme.
Regardless whether he is banned or not, he will still be out preying on the ladies. And that in itself is scary.
Jackson, you have done an excellent job on maintaining the board. You're patience is outstanding. I am sure you have come close to losing it many times. It is a shame that some of the readers do not understand or accept what you do for us.
Many thanks.
As I have repeatedly stated in numerous reports, I am completely against not just violence, or implications of violence toward working women (any women for that matter). I'm against anyone who condones or encourages violence towards women.
These women who provide the services which many of us enjoy so much put their psyche, their ego, and their body at risk every time they are alone with a man. Many, if not most, of them have life stories which are tragic and which should evoke pity and generosity in a real man. And yet some misguided (dare I say sick) individuals (Bird Shit for example) appear to take pride in mistreating or abusing such women. They appear to delight in recounting their sick experiences in the hopes that readers here will think highly of them.
I know that it is your forum Jackson. However I don't believe you should worry for one minute about anything Bird Shit or anyone else will say if you ban this creton. He is not welcome in the forum. Most of us here, while we may pay for sex, still have a great deal of respect and love for women and feel that the working girls bring valuable joy into our lives. Let's show Bird Shit and his ilk what we think of them.
LexLuther
Pilot Aviator
06-26-09, 21:59
But since I was asked.- I find the posts offensive and abusive and in violation of the stated goals and rules of the forum. I have already added him to my ignore lists.
When I lived in Europe, I learned/was taught sexual play is an appetite not so dissimilar as wanting to get a good meal. We have no problem going to a fine resturant (or a fast food place) to satisfy that appetite.
The pleasures of the AMP are similar.- and in many cultures across both oceans, there is no stigma to the client and if the provider is discrete, no loss of status to either.
Respect between provider and client should be the norm.- and the ladies I've met deserve to always be treated nice.
PA
Jake Jj 1492
06-26-09, 23:42
He not only violated posting rules, I'm sure that the consensus is that this board should not be a safe haven for predators. Clearly, this particular person is a predator who preys on women who he feels he owns for the time that he spends with them.
Look the other way or give the guy a warning, and you will make it clear that not only are the rules flexible, but, those that not only condone but encourage and commit violent acts are welcomed to be a part of this forum.
For those who are voting on this issue, before you vote, please be sure to read the posts in question by searching for 'Bird Dropping'.
Ginger Man
06-27-09, 06:11
but what he describes is abuse and possibly rape. I don't want to see it and I don't think that is what the forum is at all for. Thumbs down here, ban him.
IMHO, his reports were offensive in the extreme. I cannot speak to the veracity of his claim that several people asked him for more info but I wouldn't be surprised either way. That being said, he seems to wish to make amends. I'm all for second chances, so I would say delete his offensive posts and let him stay. However, if he does stay, he needs to be on a very, very, very short leash. One violation and he's gone.
You do not deserve another chance and you should be reported to the police and prosecuted for the rapes you probably have committed.
You and your ilk are not welcome in normal society and must not be allowed to continue to stink the place up in here.
You should go away on your own and MAYBE come back again in a year or two when you have had a chance to learn some manners. Since I doubt you will do that on your own I strongly suggest Jackson ban you from this place.
Now go away!
JJ
What use would this board be if everyone was of the same ilk? Talk about a lack of diversity. No one is perfect, except for those who have chided me.
All I ask is that you vote to keep me here. I have so far enjoyed this forum and would like to continue posting. I will admit I did not have a chance to read the forum rules but now I have.
I will try to be more respectful.
Nevertheless I feel the intel contained in my reports is as good as anyone's.
All I ask is a second chance.
Guitarman1
06-27-09, 09:21
He abused the hell out of the girl and basically raped her. Let's face it, the girl can't exactly go to the police. So there are some dudes who treat them like dirt and abuse them like that. It is bad enough he does that, but he posted it here for us to read. Even if the post is deleted, and he doesn't post those details again, all of us who saw it are going to think of that every time he posts a report. We are going to wonder in what way did he abuse the girl.
I've always known Linda's girls to play safe. In his last report he talks about how him and his friend both did one with no condom. When I saw that, I wondered what messed up way of coercion did he use to get her to go along with that.
Jackson, this guy is an animal who thinks that sort of abusive behavior is acceptable. I'd prefer to see him gone, but I'll support your decision and this site regardless of what you decide.
Jackson,
I would like you to consider banning this member based on his postings (i.e., actions) that would certainly bring unwanted law enforcement attention to our area, not to mention the abuse to women he seems to advocate. The information he posts is in no way helpful or wanted, I am certain I speak for many here.
MnV
Jackson,
I wish to ask you to kindly ban or suspend all the members who were considerate enough to reprint the ranting of this moron. If not for them, I would not have been included in reading Bull Craps droppings.
The internet wasn't created yesterday. He makes these reports--real, exaggerated, or entirely fictional--to get responses. And you are giving him those responses. Damn, he got an entire thread on here now. That will probably get him early induction into the Troll Hall of Fame.
Bird's reports are about the cc's. These places are not AMP's! They are escorts, I would like bird to make these reports under the escort thread, also any further reports on the cc's should be in the escort thread. Having said that anyone who equates any act with a prostitute to a rape is an idiot! These girls at the cc's are PRO's they are being paid for sex! If the girls don't like what is going on believe you they can put a stop to it quickly. As for Birds post's I think they're entertaining, don't have much in the way of helpful info but fack it none of do anymore, hell I even got a good laugh out of one. Bird keep it up, just post them in the escort thread. Db
Jake Jj 1492
06-29-09, 08:33
The CC's are AAMPs...so they are in the correct thread.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1897
Guitarman1
06-29-09, 09:39
The CC's are AAMPs...so they are in the correct thread.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1897
Actually, not really. They aren't a commercial location with massage tables and such. It is really more of an incall than MP. I personally have been putting my CC reports in the escorts thread.
If everyone wants to put those reports in the MP thread I'll start doing that.
Having said that anyone who equates any act with a prostitute to a rape is an idiot! These girls at the cc's are PRO's they are being paid for sex! If the girls don't like what is going on believe you they can put a stop to it quickly.If you are acting on your words then you do all of us a disservice -- not just the providers but the rest of us mongerers.
I suspect that most guys who post here treat providers with respect, and avoid CCs/AAMPs where it looks like providers are human-trafficking victims.
If Bird Dropping's posts are accurate then he is a rapist, just as Michael Jackson was a pedophile (and child rapist) -- whether or not both are simply acting on impulses resulting from sexual assault during their own childhoods is immaterial.
There is enough turnover in the supply of providers that it is rare I see the same girl twice. So the more guys like you there are seeing them before me, the less of a quality experience I am going to receive. So F-you for costing me.
But if you still don't care, does it matter to you that these providers are goddamn human beings and deserve to be treated as such? WTF?!
There are guys here who enjoy 'the hobby' and guys here who have to pay as no one can possibly stand to be with them. I guess we know where you fit in the equation.
But I think Eerock nailed it best. BD is doing this for the reaction he receives. So it is better off ignored and I will do that going forward. And I am sure that he is likely referring to his own childhood experiences and describing the manner in which his father choked him.
Seems to me the CCs should be considered as escorts rather than MPs because they are not open businesses with a storefront as such.
I was unsure where to post about them for a long time but now I think I have settled in the Escorts section with them.
Maybe Jackson should make a command decision on this.
Unless I hear otherwise I think I'll post them in the Escort section myself.
Peace!
JJ
Actually, not really. They aren't a commercial location with massage tables and such. It is really more of an incall than MP. I personally have been putting my CC reports in the escorts thread.
If everyone wants to put those reports in the MP thread I'll start doing that.
Roamin Roman
06-29-09, 22:57
Originally, I had thought that banning Dropsy outright would be the appropriate response. But, upon reflection, the only thing that would likely engender would be his re-emergence under another screen name. Therefore, I would vote to simply expunge his posts whenever they prove vulgar and/or beyond the pale of the forum's standards.
Dropsy says he has some useful intel to share; let him prove it. He (mis)labels his post, below, as 'Let Freedom (of speech) ring'. The Constitutional recognition of freedom of speech does not apply here. The 1st Amenedment only speaks to the limits of government's power with respect to speech.
As regards Dropsy and his presumed "right", he needs to remember that with all rights come responsibilities. Dropsy, thus far, has not demonstrated that he is capable of acting in a responsible manner. Nevertheless, I say let him remain but insist that he prove himself to be a mature individual capable of behaving in a responsible manner. If he continues to be a recalcitrant poster, then wave him a fond farewell, because ultimately his continued disregard for the standards would reflect poorly on the Forum as a whole.
R::R
Clarification,
I enjoy the AMPs for a good massage with an attractive lady, sometimes a nice HJ at the end sometimes just the rub. I was just saying that it would be cool to have the thread for AMP's in Va cover this. I also think the cc really have nothing to do with massage, come on who actually pays the 160 for a massage.
As far as birds post goes, first a lot of pros will do the exact shit he wanted its called pse, as long as you worked it out with the girl first, its fairly common (why am I typing this, everyone already knows this) Second I know for a fact that most of the girls working in the AMPs and ccs in nova can and will f*ck you up if you cross a line with them, Especially the older korean ladys good god do not get into it with them! Finally the pic he posted of Meena was the mug shot from FFX when she got snagged for solicitation at 6201. So I think that his writing is a little truth and a little fiction mixed together. But either way he's posting about his far out deviant behavior on a board of deviants (ya we are all a little out there just for having the hobby) so don't judge it sounds stupid. If ya liked the girl tell him to take it down a notch or maybe help him find a more appropriate provider.
Just a thought.
Now don't bother with the flaming cause I'll shut my own no board credit havin non posting newbie ass the f*ck up.
DB
Hillofbeans
07-01-09, 20:43
Let him keep posting.
It will make it easier for me to find him.
Sponge Worthy
07-02-09, 11:15
There's too much bullying and group think on this board. If you don't fit within the confines of how the vocal majority thinks, they just gang up, insult you, and then whine to Jackson. I know, it certainly happened to me. I didn't even get the courtesy of a discussion with Jackson. He just deleted my posts and restricted my access without ever bothering to even comment to me. It seemed pretty Draconian to me.
Something to keep in mind is that it's the members here who provide the content. We don't keep coming back to view the ads. We come here to se what our peers have to say. Let's not beat the hell out of them and force them away. Maybe you don't like what they're adding, but someone else may find it useful or interesting.
There are different points of view and they may each be legitimate. If you can't stand what someone has to say, do you honestly think that gives you the right to silence their speech? Just ignore them. Seriously, it's not that hard to do.
Jake Jj 1492
07-02-09, 13:50
There are different points of view and they may each be legitimate. If you can't stand what someone has to say, do you honestly think that gives you the right to silence their speech?
It's Jackson's board, and he makes the rules. The right of free speech isn't an all-encompassing thing...so private industry has the right to limit those rights. The same applies here.
If you missed the point (or the posts), BD was harming others and trying to encourage others to do the same. The majority of members in Northern Virginia tend to frown upon that kind of activity.
Sponge Worthy
07-02-09, 17:24
It's Jackson's board, and he makes the rules. The right of free speech isn't an all-encompassing thing...so private industry has the right to limit those rights. The same applies here. If you missed the point (or the posts), BD was harming others and trying to encourage others to do the same. The majority of members in Northern Virginia tend to frown upon that kind of activity.All true, but somewhat contradictory. As you say, it's Jackson's board. So with that in mind, what difference does it matter if the majority of the members in Northern Virginia frown upon his posts? It's not their board.
CC's absolutely should be classified as escorts because that's what they are. The women rotate in from escort services in other states and stay only temporarily. 'Massage' is not even close to the centerpiece of an experience at a CC.
Here is my definition of AMPs (whether TAMPs or otherwise):
1) Do not require multiple call systems
2) Do not advertise as escort services on the big websites (TER, here etc.)
3) Have a public face or storefront
4) Standard NoVas are welcome or conducted at least a third of the time
None of those apply to the NoVa CCs.
Jake Jj 1492
07-03-09, 11:02
CC's absolutely should be classified as escorts because that's what they are. The women rotate in from escort services in other states and stay only temporarily. 'Massage' is not even close to the centerpiece of an experience at a CC.
Here is my definition of AMPs (whether TAMPs or otherwise):
1) Do not require multiple call systems
2) Do not advertise as escort services on the big websites (TER, here etc.)
3) Have a public face or storefront
4) Standard NoVas are welcome or conducted at least a third of the time
None of those apply to the NoVa CCs.
It makes no difference to me, but, the CCs are by common definition, Apartment AMPs.
Whether massage is a primary focus (or included at all) doesn't effect the definition. Apartment AMPs never allow walk-ins...and they are nationwide...not some local phenomena...
From the internet...
* AMP (Asian Massage Parlor) : An erotic massage establishment that primarily employs Asian providers.
* AAMP (Apartment Asian Massage Parlor): Based in a residential apartment instead of a commercial storefront.
Yea but let's be honest, you don't call them massage parlors if the women are races other than Asian. If you take the FCCC and exchange the Asian women with Latinas then you would just call it an escort service because by all accounts that is what it is. At some point the definition becomes too muddied to be usable. For instance, "Magic" in Virginia (Thai woman advertising on BP and TER) advertises for "massage" and does not require a multiple call system. When you arrive at her place she has a table and the entire setup (traditional AMP or TAMP) and standard NoVas are not unwelcome. Conversely, the CCs advertise as escort services, require multiple call systems, typically do not have massage setups (table, table shower etc.) and provide at best a perfunctory massage- likely a part of the act they were taught. I don't see how that is anything but an escort service. Now, the argument may be "well, I get a good massage from LuLu or Yaya at these places and therefore they are AMPs." Well, you can also say you've gotten terrible/no massage at AMPs. Massage is not really the defining characteristic as you mentioned. It's really the location, level of secrecy, internal setup and how they self-identify. I know many new hobbyists would be disappointed in an "AAMP" experience that ends up being purely an escort (and it likely will).
In short, Magic would be considered an AAMP or just AMP for short and the CCs would unequivocally be escort services (which is why so many posts on the CCs already appear in the escort forums).
Roamin Roman
07-04-09, 02:37
CC's absolutely should be classified as escorts because that's what they are. The women rotate in from escort services in other states and stay only temporarily.
It makes no difference to me, but, the CCs are by common definition, Apartment AMPs.
Yea but let's be honest, you don't call them massage parlors if the women are races other than Asian. The CCs would unequivocally be escort services (which is why so many posts on the CCs already appear in the escort forums).Good points, all, and while both views are technically correct, the best description might be to say that the CCs are really neither purely AMPs nor purely escort services.
One could say that, because "Escort" services provide outcall (as well as incall), the CCs do not qualify as escort services. (However, I do remember about ten years ago that there was one Thai service, located in an apartment over near Gaithersburg, that did provide outcall. Nevertheless, it was mainly an incall operation.)
Yet, one could say that, because the CCs don't provide massage (or, at best, make only a pretense of providing massage), the CCs are not AMPs in the traditional sense, either.
It's probably best to categorize them as a third alternative, neither AMP nor Escort. So, what do we do? Ask Jackson to create another heading on the boards, just for the CCs and similar operations? I doubt that's necessary. We've been treating them, for reporting sake, as AMPs for the most part. If someone wants to post a report in the Escort section, so be it. It shouldn't make much difference, since we all tend to keep up with all the boards in the region. I say, post wherever it seems most natural. We'll all likely still read the report, whichever heading its under.
R::R
What is really sad is that all I want is a Massage Parlor that provides extras instead of an Extras Parlor that provides massage. The closest there seems to be to that is Kim's :/. Am I alone? ugh
It's probably best to categorize them as a third alternative, neither AMP nor Escort. So, what do we do? Ask Jackson to create another heading on the boards, just for the CCs and similar operations?
R::R
Any senior member can start/add a new thread. Just go to the over-arching category (e.g. Northern Virginia) and you will see a button called "new thread".
LexLuther
Guitarman1
07-04-09, 11:16
Good points, all, and while both views are technically correct, the best description might be to say that the CCs are really neither purely AMPs nor purely escort services.
One could say that, because "Escort" services provide outcall (as well as incall), the CCs do not qualify as escort services. (However, I do remember about ten years ago that there was one Thai service, located in an apartment over near Gaithersburg, that did provide outcall. Nevertheless, it was mainly an incall operation.)
Yet, one could say that, because the CCs don't provide massage (or, at best, make only a pretense of providing massage), the CCs are not AMPs in the traditional sense, either.
It's probably best to categorize them as a third alternative, neither AMP nor Escort. So, what do we do? Ask Jackson to create another heading on the boards, just for the CCs and similar operations? I doubt that's necessary. We've been treating them, for reporting sake, as AMPs for the most part. If someone wants to post a report in the Escort section, so be it. It shouldn't make much difference, since we all tend to keep up with all the boards in the region. I say, post wherever it seems most natural. We'll all likely still read the report, whichever heading its under.
R::R
Many CL girls only do incalls and we do not post them as massage parlor reports. They are still posted under escort reports. I've also gotten better massages from some CL girls than from some CC girls.
I know some people come to this forum looking for AMP locations. Then when they see the CC's they ask about those instead. If we kept CC's under escorts, it may lessen the amount of people who ask about it. That could actually make CC info and the AMP thread easier to follow.
Jake Jj 1492
07-04-09, 12:37
It's probably best to categorize them as a third alternative, neither AMP nor Escort.
R::R
Hence the reason Apartment AMP and (traditional storefront) AMP are distinctly different. Apartment AMPs do not allow walk-ins, frequently don't put much focus n the 'M' part of it, and often offer outcall.
The Apartment AMP concept is nationwide, so, I don't get the confusion. A third category (or a dedicated Chinese Condos thread) would be great...and maybe it would stop the bickering.
There are some people in here that would argue with a post and get all shook up because it didn't answer.
They would just find something else to fuss about.
JJ
Hence the reason Apartment AMP and (traditional storefront) AMP are distinctly different. Apartment AMPs do not allow walk-ins, frequently don't put much focus n the 'M' part of it, and often offer outcall.
The Apartment AMP concept is nationwide, so, I don't get the confusion. A third category (or a dedicated Chinese Condos thread) would be great...and maybe it would stop the bickering.
Greetings Everyone,
I have deleted all of Bird Dropping's reports and placed him on Permanent Moderated status.
Thanks,
Jackson
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