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Teabag420
12-31-07, 21:00
Thread starter.

Mac Jones
01-16-08, 21:24
yadda yadda yadda...go see any one of the several "Cookies" in DC, or find a hobby that isn't "the hobby". 389 posts? That's beyond a cry for help.

Nevermind.

Sleazebum
01-16-08, 21:33
Several choices: wait for her to return at another or the same place under another name, go see any one of the several "Cookies" in DC, or find a hobby that isn't "the hobby". 389 posts? That's beyond a cry for help.

You seem to be crying out for a serious flaming! You have a lot of nerve for a newbie to be slamming a senior!

You need to apologize and then post a detailed report or two about your own cookies!

I will not discuss this any further! Learn some manners!

JJ

Member #4338
01-16-08, 22:04
I've been to most places in DC and MoCo way back when, and have rarely been asked for the tip up front. This business of "I put the tip on the table under my watch so she would know I was serious" is too precious by half. And when I haven't been somewhere before, if asked I just say, "No, this is my first time here." All this secret decoder-ring stuff is really unnecessary. It's simpler to be honest and be nice, which of course means you never leave without tipping.

Fleabag:

Come to think of it, you're right. The LoveLOS 'put the tip under the watch' is indeed lame. Why would anyone credit a practice recommended by someone with as little experience in DC as LL. Morons!!!

With your sixth post would you please enlighten us on how we should conduct ourselves at DC AMPs.

Waiting for your pearls of wisdom,

Lax

VanDriver
01-17-08, 11:10
Several choices: wait for her to return at another or the same place under another name, go see any one of the several "Cookies" in DC, or find a hobby that isn't "the hobby". 389 posts? That's beyond a cry for help.

I think it was a rhetorical question...

Vandriver

VanDriver
01-17-08, 11:17
Ok, I'm going to tell YOU. "You sir, are an asshole!" (Ferris Bueller's Day Off).

But, really... Here you go trying to antagonize guys who have been around here for years...ADDING INTEL I MUST SAY!

Why don't you take a gander at the posts you have added to this fine forum below? Do you see anything there that resembles anything of worth?

Ponder that for awhile before posting here.

Van


I'm not going to tell you you're an a-hole because you're probably not, but have you considered whether you, or the girls for that matter, are at your very best at that time of day? It might be more fun if you can manage to go earlier. I'm just sayin'.

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I'm not going to tell you you're an a-hole because you're probably not, but have you considered whether you, or the girls for that matter, are at your very best at that time of day? It might be more fun if you can manage to go earlier. I'm just sayin'.

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Several choices: wait for her to return at another or the same place under another name, go see any one of the several "Cookies" in DC, or find a hobby that isn't "the hobby". 389 posts? That's beyond a cry for help.

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I've been to most places in DC and MoCo way back when, and have rarely been asked for the tip up front. This business of "I put the tip on the table under my watch so she would know I was serious" is too precious by half. And when I haven't been somewhere before, if asked I just say, "No, this is my first time here." All this secret decoder-ring stuff is really unnecessary. It's simpler to be honest and be nice, which of course means you never leave without tipping.

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Regrettably, there are none. Cherokees control the business around here.

And even though I'm tilting at windmills here, I'm going to say it: "MONGER" means someone who SELLS something, not someone who BUYS something.

Sorry to hear that "Neverland" got busted. Oh, wait, that was one of the codenames, wasn't it? Good system. All the supersecret decoder-ring stuff gets a little bit precious after a while.

Shoutout to Drunk Irish. Don and Mike go to break!!!

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Sadly, it only takes one person complaining. My reading of open source information (the Gazette and *********.net) indicates that this is what happened in the Montgomery County crackdown a few years back. It started with Kona and there was a posting from an angry wife on that board about how she had found "hobby" related info on her husband's computer, and soon the crackdown came, apparently spearheaded by one particular lady, as she was the only one quoted in the Gazette. Coincidence?

Two things in the news account don't ring true. Open 24 hours a day? I think not. Women counting large amounts of cash in the parking lot? Is there even a parking lot behind the building, and why would anyone count their money outdoors? Sounds like stuff that was made up to jumpstart the operation.

Sleazebum
01-17-08, 18:52
Teabag! You truly do seem to be a first class ASSHOLE!!

And I KNOW assholes because I am one too! Just a different version than you.

I think you should probably just go away.

Yep! That's it! Just GO AWAY! You are, as of this very moment, DEAD TO ME.


JJ

Ravane
03-08-08, 02:19
All this "RTFF" and "you will not get anything from Senior Members" nonsense strikes me as a bunch of guys who are not happy in other aspects of their life and are happy to be able to kick someone further down on the imaginary food chain. If someone has nothing to report, they have nothing to report. It don't make them a bad person, or a freeloader. I could tell you all about Kona or CPHC back in the day, but it wouldn't do anyone any good.

For you new guys, keep in mind that "Senior Member" is anyone with more than 24 posts after 6 months of membership. You might want to look at the post count of senior members and ask yourself "Would I take advice from a guy with this many posts on this or any board in in any other area of life? "Ok,

The Baltimore board had weeks of bickering on this topic, and it was truly an annoying sight to see. Pahlease dont start it here in DC too. I hope my response will remain the only response on this infantile matter.

Selah!

Drew Park
03-08-08, 08:58
All this "RTFF" and "you will not get anything from Senior Members" nonsense strikes me as a bunch of guys who are not happy in other aspects of their life and are happy to be able to kick someone further down on the imaginary food chain. It don't make them a bad person, or a freeloader.

Who died and made you the resident psychiatrist? I think most of us are well adjusted individuals who just like to play around. Does that mean we're pathological, so be it. Big fucking deal. The fact that you are here suggests you have a pathological bent too. So quit preaching.

As for the freeloader comment, you are off-base. This board has volumes of accurate and relevant information provided by fellows who have expended energy and money to make it so. There is a search function that enables anyone to quickly scan posts on a certain name, place or event.

Instead, you suggest those of us with the background and experience become a "google" of sorts for every newbie and wanna-be who stumbles into here. Sorry, but speaking for myself, I have neither the time nor the inclination to reply to the PMs and naive questions posted by those who have not done basic research.

Additionally, those of us who have been singed by LE efforts are very skeptical of single digit posters who ask graphic questions - especially when the answers to those questions may already be resident on the voluminous pages here.


You might want to look at the post count of senior members and ask yourself "Would I take advice from a guy with this many posts on this or any board in in any other area of life? "

No one invited you and no one is asking you to stay. If Senior Member advice is so trivial then why do we get bombarded for freeloader questions?

Sleazebum
03-08-08, 10:58
Drew and Others,

My brothers, this guy, Teabag, is obviously a troll and a jackass. Please do not feed him anymore. He will only return with more of the same BS and if we ignore him he will dry up and blow away.

Engaging him in this stuff is only feeding his ego and making him think he has some control over something.

Again, please do not feed the troll. I will not respond to him again and I hope no one else does either.

JJ


Who died and made you the resident psychiatrist? I think most of us are well adjusted individuals who just like to play around. Does that mean we're pathological, so be it. Big fucking deal. The fact that you are here suggests you have a pathological bent too. So quit preaching.

As for the freeloader comment, you are off-base. This board has volumes of accurate and relevant information provided by fellows who have expended energy and money to make it so. There is a search function that enables anyone to quickly scan posts on a certain name, place or event.

Instead, you suggest those of us with the background and experience become a "google" of sorts for every newbie and wanna-be who stumbles into here. Sorry, but speaking for myself, I have neither the time nor the inclination to reply to the PMs and naive questions posted by those who have not done basic research.

Additionally, those of us who have been singed by LE efforts are very skeptical of single digit posters who ask graphic questions - especially when the answers to those questions may already be resident on the voluminous pages here.



No one invited you and no one is asking you to stay. If Senior Member advice is so trivial then why do we get bombarded for freeloader questions?

Ravane
03-12-08, 01:04
And, to the board in general, would it be too hard to not refer to law enforcement officials as "pork" or "bacon"? It's a bit childish.What,

Does it touch a nerve, Babylonian? Fiya!!

Selah!

(Translations, for those who are not familiar with my lingo:

Babylonian: Policeman

Fiya: Its roots are too lengthy to explain here, but basically it means to cleanse/purify something. Its meaning in my post? Figure it out.

Selah: RTFF.)

Dr Bombay
03-13-08, 03:49
Not too lengthy -- "fiya" = "fire"

Selah: Just as the Hebrew word Amen is an exclamation of confidence or truth and certainty of what has been said, so Selah is an exclamation that we should measure and reflect upon what has been said.

Does it touch a nerve? No, certainly not the way being addressed as "boy" does. Why not try the same experiment I suggested with that word... address a police to his face as "pork" or "bacon" and report back on how it went? It's easy to be brave on the internet, a little more complicated in real life.Here we go again. Didn't the admin warn us about diverting from the purpose of this forum? You might try joining "don'tcalluspigsdotcom"

Sleazebum
03-13-08, 14:26
When I use the term boy it means an immature human male and NOTHING ELSE! If is up to YOU to climb down off of your racist high horse and realize that just maybe I am telling the truth about my use of the word!

In my context (which is the only one that matters) BOY - you are proving yourself more and more to be just that - A BOY!

Now please take your racism elsewhere because it is NOT appreciated here!

BTW - what race do you think I am anyway? Why would that be important, boy? Please DO notice and be offended by the small letter "b".

Again, I will NOT drag out this argument any further in the open forum.

GO AWAY!

JJ




Not too lengthy -- "fiya" = "fire"

Selah: Just as the Hebrew word Amen is an exclamation of confidence or truth and certainty of what has been said, so Selah is an exclamation that we should measure and reflect upon what has been said.

Does it touch a nerve? No, certainly not the way being addressed as "boy" does. Why not try the same experiment I suggested with that word... address a police to his face as "pork" or "bacon" and report back on how it went? It's easy to be brave on the internet, a little more complicated in real life.

Xsailor
03-13-08, 22:59
I will now divulge detailed information: any kind of sex act is available for money in a number of Washington DC massage parlors, for the right price, assuming you can negotiate an agreement with the lady. There, the secret's out.


I must be doing something wrong I guess. I don't remember ever negotiating with a lady???

Dr Bomb could be on the right track.

XS

Member #4338
03-15-08, 09:12
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Lax

Propilot
03-15-08, 21:14
I second that motion by Jackson. Teabag just seems that he wants to spark controversy and chaos on the forum. Personally, I am think he is someone who has been on this forum before. He has committed nothing to this forum and should be banned if he continues on his current course of being an antagonist. I am quite sure a lot of other members feel this way. Once again, thank you Jackson for moderating Teabag.


Propilot-over and out.

A John
03-15-08, 21:22
You get my vote pilot
I`ve even sent Jackson a e-mail about his controversy and chaos.
Get rid of them

AJ


I second that motion by Jackson. Teabag just seems that he wants to spark controversy and chaos on the forum.

he is someone who has been on this forum before.

He has committed nothing to this forum and should be banned

I am quite sure a lot of other members feel this way.

thank you Jackson

Teabag420
03-27-08, 23:40
Where is the Green Massage parlor located in DC? And Rio for that matter? Can someone private message me.

ThanksIt's at 1333 Green Court NW, as advertised in the Washington City Paper. Rio's street address is 1936, but I don't know the street. Pretty sure it's on 9th or F.

You know what makes me think you're NOT a cop? I wouldn't care if you were, but cops don't need to ASK where the massage parlors are. If I were a police officer wanting to get information from this board, I would establish a "legend" by posting stories about my adventures at massage parlors, maybe even, as has been recommended, 'getting creative with ctrl see and ctrl v" to save effort. In six months I'd be a respected 'senior member'.

People here can be unfriendly (that's the default) and think they're protecting or hiding information by using codewords and bitching when someone new asks questions (from what I've seen-- I've never asked a question). Also, you'll need to get used to a rather juvenile use of codewords, for instance, in obfuscating the place visited, and "I had a dream" means "I visited a massage parlor and paid for sex".

Teabag420
03-31-08, 02:32
I'm in the military and I've been gone from the DC area for about 12 years. When I heard I was PCSing back to this area I thought to myself "Wonder Monger powers activate". I can hardly recognize the place. Where the hoez at? I remember back in the day after driving for a couple of hours (or more) I always was extra careful; I wasn't as discriminating as when I first hit the street, however all I've seen I wouldn't touch and by all I mean two or three. Again I ask "Where the hoez at"? I never did the message parlor thing, just old school pick up get bbbj and let them out and be on my way. It's a desert out there. Can someone help a brother out.Alot of the street action has moved to Potomac Avenue, but there's a hot club scene over by Navy Yard/Marine Corps Barracks. The address escapes me, but the one place I know that is really happ'ning is called Club Wet. Check it out. Anyone stationed around here should know where it is.

Teabag420
04-16-08, 20:44
Of course I said that. I'm not shy to put someone on the spot for lying to me. It's not like mamasan is going to punish the girl or anything, but at least I can try to make her feel a little guilty.

Do you know where 14k is? If you don't wanna post it on the forum, PM me.

NiteIt's at 1413 K St.

Teabag420
04-22-08, 00:51
Aginghusky-

In your 6 posts you have not posted any good intel whether it be in Seattle or here. But I will put you on the path to a MP in DC check out the one at 5225 Wisconsin Ave NW they probably have a "Red Door" ask for Liz 202-362-9890

-DJThat place has been going downhill of late. Check out Lambda on Connecticut Ave. between your hotel and Dupont Circle. You'll see ads for it in the Washington Blade, the city's free alternative weekly.

Teabag420
04-25-08, 00:04
I'll be coming to the area in a couple of weeks for a conference. I'll be staying at Red Roof Inn on H street. I don't know the layout. Where's a good place that's available by cab?Lambda just north of Dupont Circle is just a hop skip and jump by cab. Just ask any cabdriver.

Teabag420
06-18-08, 14:21
But you seem to not understand basic economics.

I will not address this topic any further.

Have fun and be careful!

JJSaerang, you're right. The going rate hasn't gone up in the 10 years that I've been aware of it, so it's a bargain relative to everything else in the world. On the other hand, consider how much the ladies make, and yes, of course, they are human beings (right again), but it's hard to feel sorry for them on financial grounds.

Teabag420
06-19-08, 11:28
Hi,

I'm not a frequent poster and don't want to get flamed. I'm not looking for specifics on any spa or girl. I would like to where AMPs are advertising in papers other than the Washington Post. I've search the forum and can't find any reference to print advertising for AMPs in DC and the surrounding area with the exception of the Post's sports section. I'm from RI and all the AMPs here advertise in the Phoenix, which can be picked up for free at most book stores and adult video stores.

Thanks,

FrankOoooh, I SMELL BACON! As some people on this board might say, but anyone who says it and means it is a dumbass. I will not direct you to the Washington Blade as that's probably not your thing. The equivalent of the Phoenix in DC is probably the Washington City Paper, which has an Adult Services section in the back. Also check the Health and Wellness section.

Teabag420
06-24-08, 15:23
That is all!

If anyone still feels the need to argue please do it via PM so the ones who are still stuck on a slow connection do not have to slog through all this useless stuff.

I still stand by my own assessment and will not argue further.

JJPromises, promises. Anyone with a slow connection should definitely reconsider their budgetary priorities. Control issues much?

Teabag420
07-04-08, 23:00
We cannot afford any price hike now!

JJClearly, "we" have unrealistic expectations if we think prices shouldn't go up over ten years (that's as far back as I know about) and further, "we" perhaps aren't managing our money as well as "we" might if this is such a big issue.

I think prices SHOULD go up, just as an object lesson for "we" who think our desires should influence market rates. I've never seen an escort, because they're too expensive for me. THAT is Economics 101 (and Leykis 101).

I tried Jasmine soon after they opened and was quoted a house fee of $90. I said "too expensive", turned around and left.

The inclusion of this exclamation mark, "!" makes my argument much more powerful.

Teabag420
09-05-08, 09:24
I have not done the AMP thing in a while; mostly hanging to the escort line of business but I was in the M and Connecticut area so I though I would try 14K. Looks like it might be closed. I buzzer did not seem to work, no one answered the phone, and there was a hole in the ceiling where a camera should have been. I saw a few cigarette butts from recent visitors but based on the delivery slip hanging on the door, I don't thing anyone has been in an out in about 2 hours. A shame since I had to walk the block three times until the smokers from the adjacent building cleared out of the area.

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TwistYou don't think the cigarette smokers noticed you walking the block three times? You might as well wear a sign saying "I'm going to the massage parlor". Also the hostess at Lotus nightclub directly across the street is positioned to eyeball 1413 K all evening, not to mention THEIR bouncers. Not to mention the derelicts hanging out in front of the liquor store. The most inconspicuous thing you could do is just go straight in on your first attempt. People here really overthink the secret decoder ring stuff.

Teabag420
09-06-08, 22:26
NEVER NEVER NEVER take more than $160 CASH into any of these places!! To do otherwise will only result in higher prices for all of us!

If the management is holding out on the "tech" it is their INTERNAL problem and not ours.

When the quality of "techs" drop the management will just need to give them a fair percentage back again. If management provides poor quality "techs" to us at the prices WE set then we will spend our CASH ONLY somewhere else.

Currency is NOT designed to lose value over time. That is simply BS and flat out WRONG as is the policy of higher prices.

By now everyone has seen the arguments on both side of this issue so weigh it all for yourselves and do or not do whatever it is you feel comfortable with.

But if you willingly jack up the prices for ME I will not be a happy camper anymore.

That is my final word on this subject. Any further discussion will just waste space and bandwidth. There is more than enough testimony on this all over this forum - READ IT and decide.

And to the FOOL who told me to STFU - YOU STFU, jackass.

JJWayward One made some good points. Surely Sleazebum, with his knowledge of the industry and the shift-lock key has always known that the ladies have always gotten zero percent of the door under the prevailing door-and-tip model. Whether they have to tip back to the house or not is an open question and probably varies from one establishment to another.

As to "the prices WE set", keep dreaming. The market sets prices. That means that you, Sleazebag, have precisely zero control. You might be able to negotiate a special deal from time to time, but the market, which is a relatively unknowable number of buyers and a relatively knowable number of sellers in this case, sets the prices.

True, currencies are not designed to lose value, but it is fact of life that they do. No amount of caps-locking bloviating will change that fact.

Remember, I always tip $20 extra just for spite. I went to Jasmine between 12 and 18 months ago, not long after they opened, and was quoted a door fee of $90. I said "Too expensive" and went elsewhere. And I did it without hitting the caps-lock key.

Under the currently reported pricing structure, I am inclined to pay Jasmine a visit, for spite. Fear the Invisible Hand.

"That is my final word on this subject. ".- I have heard this before. It means "Be on the lookout for my next post on the subject in the near future. Typing Pool! Ready ALL-CAPS! "

Wayward One: the dollar sign is shift-4. Please use it rather than the disconcerting decimal point.

Thank you

Teabag420
11-30-08, 14:43
All these postings on Orange is equal to all the postings of 14K before it went down. A girl couldn't break wind there without it being posted here. Then it was padlocked.

We get it, we know what it is like now.

I think discretion is a virtue.The 1995 Washingtonian article on the DC sex trade (strippers, mp's and escorts) said quoted police officials explicitly saying that the police know all about the activities involved, and even described a map with pushpins in it for every mp in the area.

Has it occurred to anyone that DC now has a female police chief? The Montgomery County cleanup was started because because some yenta found something from another board like this on her husband's computer and hounded the police.

No one has posited an explanation for the lack of publicity about the closings. The Montgomery County closings were publicized by the PD, local media (due largely to the use of county funds to pay for full service for an informant, a friend of one of the detectives) and the aforementioned yenta. You can research that yourself in the Montgomery Gazette. Let us not neglect the short arm of Robin Ficker, a well-known Montgomery County gadfly whose "law" offices were located in the same building as Eagle Spa, next to the surplus store on Wisconsin Avenue, and who wrote a letter to the editor complaining about it. His name will now be googleable on this site. Cool.

The last closing in DC that hit the papers was the place in Glover Park, on Wisconsin Ave. That was the police wanting to take credit for responding to community concerns.

Teabag420
12-20-08, 03:35
Gentlemen,

Saw the forces that be out in force around 18th & M Street on Wednesday. Appears they were checking up on the local scene. Be careful and, as per all holiday commercials, be responsible. Don't make these holidays ones you can't forget.

Take care,

DooderDon't take this as aimed solely at you, but all this "I doubled back and walked the block again, doing my recon" (keep making yourself conspicuous) and "I saw police on the same block as a strip club" stuff is useless. Not to mention "I called my favorite fruit stand and asked if they had any oranges" when you really mean you went to the new massage parlor near the Eastern Market Metro that advertises in the City Paper.

First, there are almost always police in that area, not just local, federal too. You just happened to see uniforms or obvious cars. In addition to the strip club (cops like strippers too), around the corner by about a block and a half there's a secure building that if you can't prove you belong there you won't get in, not just signing in at the desk.

When and if they make a bust, they just walk in and do it. They don't make a big production of it except when it's because of neighbor complaints like the place on Wisconsin Ave and in Montgomery County. Proof? Ask yourself if you've seen anything in the newspaper about the closings over the last year.

Dr Bombay
02-04-09, 05:33
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the content of the report was largely argumentative. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. Thank You!Why was this guy allowed back?

Loop Vet
02-08-09, 19:21
While Teabag continues to be condescending with each and every post, I think the man does have a point. "Used underneath, on top, and lazily from behind" isn't exactly subtle.

Just a humble suggestion but if you want to keep reporting about AMPs without being so blatantly open about things, reports like Corsair's are the way to go. If people need more details than what she looks like, how the massage was and "great service", take it to pm. But honestly, clever analogies aren't fooling anyone.

Sleazebum
02-08-09, 19:26
If we spent half as much space on valid report as we do gabbing about the silliness of coded speech we would have more than twice as much usable information!

How about this? Keep it simple!

1. Name of the place
2. Name of the provider
3. ONE WORD description of the appointment
4. "PM if you need details"

Just follow that format and we will know what is good, what is not so good and the details will be restricted.

Suggested ONE WORD descriptions could be:

1. WONDERFUL
2. GREAT
3. GOOD
4. OK
5. SOSO
6. BAD
7. WORSE
8. TERRIBLE
9. UNHAPPY
10. AVOID

JJ




While Teabag continues to be condescending with each and every post, I think the man does have a point. "Used underneath, on top, and lazily from behind" isn't exactly subtle.

Just a humble suggestion but if you want to keep reporting about AMPs without being so blatantly open about things, reports like Corsair's are the way to go. If people need more details than what she looks like, how the massage was and "great service", take it to pm. But honestly, clever analogies aren't hiding anything.

Dr Bombay
02-25-09, 06:09
Honest review, very discreet (well, discretion is graded on a curve), and you made yourself like a nice guy.

The only down is the old "Senior members pm for details". What details would anyone want, and what would you tell them? "Senior members" is bs and I know because I are one.Perhaps one day you'll give a review (of a provider for a change) and show us how it should be done.

Teabag420
02-25-09, 16:22
Perhaps one day you'll give a review (of a provider for a change) and show us how it should be done.I went to my usual Saturday afternoon place and was please when Sunny walked into the room. Tall, probably 5'10'' and lightly freckled. No accent, this was an ABK. As the massage progressed, she asked what I did with the other ladies. I said "Everything" and her eyes widened. The massage continued and she began to take care of business, and said "Next time bring condom. " I told her "I brought one today" and after handing over $100 we were off to the races. The sex was ok, but she had a Penthouse Pet body, so all in all it was a positive experience, and it was refreshing dealing with someone who was fluent in English. I regret not exploring other languages with her. I repeated on several other occasions.

Sadly, this was at Kona in Bethesda in the 1990's. As I've said on other occasions, all my information is outdated. I could have made up a review of Star, Orange, or FCCC, etc. Would that have made you happy? Do you have any idea how many reviews here are made up?

As always, Senior Members can PM for details.

Sleazebum
04-04-09, 08:31
Considering they don't open until Eliot's off the air, your friend is probably yanking your crank....of the previous night. Right??

Most likely if the story is true the man was busted in the PM and the show covered it in the AM.

Is that so hard to figure out?

JJ

Nykenny69
04-11-09, 20:01
Just checked out green (not 4th floor)... service was very good, about the best I've had from a DC amp. House fee was .60$ and gave 1$ for full service. Provider (May??) was a bit on the mature side with average looks, but made up for it with excellent body tone and enthusiastic service (no rush). Caught a glimpse fo several other providers and thier attributes appeared about the same. Would repeat.


Fourth floor; you can confirm by looking at the ad in the Washington Post that the poster mentioned.