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Admin
12-06-08, 15:09
Greetings Everyone,

I was disappointed by the number forum members in the recent survey who believe that this forum should be used as a tool for LE in their efforts to publicly embarrass and humiliate people arrested for commercial sex activities.

I don't know if some of the survey participants derive some perverted pleasure in seeing photos what they perceive as "fallen" women, or if they simply don't understand that re-posting this information on this Forum, with it's strong search engine presence, will greatly increase the dissemination of this information throughout the Internet.

Personally, I don't buy the argument that booking photos somehow assist members in identifying the arrestees in subsequent encounters, but perhaps someone can explain how this is beneficial to them to the point of justifying publicly embarrassing and humiliating the girls.

Anyway, I've written a new survey which poses the question from a different perspective:

If YOU were arrested for a prostitution-related crime, would YOU want other members posting your name and booking photos in the Forum?

Member #4914
12-06-08, 21:55
Just as our privacy is important to us mongers, so is anyone else's privacy when accused or convicted of a crime, period. No one should have to have their picture posted by the Government, anywhere.

In addition, in most, if not all states, prostitution or solicitation of a prostitute is only considered a misdemeanor crime offence. Nowhere else does a more twisted mindset exist than on this topic. And with no other misdemeanor crime are pictures posted of those accused or those convicted except this one. It's simply bullshit and wrong.

For the record: I was busted once, and luckily I never had my pictures posted.

Sexmoron
12-06-08, 23:29
I was dissapointed in the recent survey by the number forum members who

If YOU were arrested for a prostitution-related crime, would YOU want other members posting your name and booking photos in the Forum?Well, I think I was feeling a little rebellious on the last survey and stated something to the effect that maybe they would stand up to the system or some such garbage as that. If you are looking for justification for keeping those photos off the site, I don't think you need it; it's your website. But, you're right, posting those photos on the site just adds more pain to a pretty painful situation.

Clinton Bush
12-07-08, 02:22
I had assumed the photos were search able on Google anyway if public record, but if not, then why add fuel to the fire.

Sweet Melissa
12-07-08, 12:50
If. And I repeat. IF you are arrested for ANY crime. It is public record and your booking photo is available to ANYONE! How do you think they get all the mugshots of celebrities? It's sad but true. Play safe boys and girls. It's the Holiday season and LE is looking to fill it's stocking.

RoadWarrior615
12-07-08, 15:57
If. And I repeat. IF you are arrested for ANY crime. It is public record and your booking photo is available to ANYONE! How do you think they get all the mugshots of celebrities? It's sad but true. Play safe boys and girls. It's the Holiday season and LE is looking to fill it's stocking.LOL I was just going to type this. It doesn't matter its all public info and the girls can be searched on the counties website.

If you can't stand the repercussions of getting caught doing a crime well don't do the crime.

Sexmoron
12-07-08, 17:19
If YOU were arrested for a prostitution-related crime, would YOU want other members posting your name and booking photos in the Forum?I haven't changed my opinion or anything, but since my response in your survey a question has occurred to me:

Seeing that you have to login to view the photos on this site, how is it that Google is able to find them?

John Ohio
12-07-08, 17:33
I believe this is an example of "push polling" by the way the question is posed. If the booking photos can be found on a public site (like many county jails have) then it is public info, and thus why not post them? If a person had access to booking photos that would not be available to anyone with a library card, and posted those photos along with any other info that isn't available to the general public, then I would be opposed to those photos being published. Somebody might google your name and find something bad? HORRORS!

Welcome to the 21st century.

I am not trying to be push anyone's buttons. Clearly Jackson, you don't want these photos posted so why keep asking until you get the answer you want? You are undeniably the master of this domain, and we are all in your debt for maintaining this site. If you don't want them posted, just make it a rule that they can't be posted. We abide by your rules after all. Would I disagree with your rule? Yes. Would I learn to get over it pretty quick in order to glean the great info to found here? You bet I would!

Admin
12-07-08, 18:38
I believe this is an example of "push polling" by the way the question is posed. If the booking photos can be found on a public site (like many county jails have) then it is public info, and thus why not post them?John Ohio,

As I explained earlier, posting this sort of information on this site will greatly increase the information's search engine exposure.

Thanks,

Jackson

Swvadude
12-08-08, 11:22
Any way to change my vote? Fingers aren't working right today.

Thought I'd seen how to do it before, but not coming up with it now.

Clark Kent
12-10-08, 02:42
We had a discussion about this in the Birmingham forum a few months ago, and several of us tried to explain to Jackson why we need to be allowed to post mug shots, as that might happen to be the only way of identifying someone. See, he told us there that where he lives prostitution is just another legal job, and people there would be shocked and dismayed if a local girl who happened to be a prostitute was arrested. This is why he feels posting SW's mug shots are someone's way of trying to humiliate women, or to embarrass someone, as he so often states. Here in the United States, things are totally different. The girls who are prostitutes here are usually addicted to some type of drug - crack, heroin, crystal meth, - and will do whatever they have to for the money to get their next fix. Most of these SW we have here locally aren't out there to 'please' the monger, they're out there solely for the purpose of making money to support their drug habit, and if they can get that money without having to follow through on what the money is paid to them for, then they will try to get away with it. In my early mongering days I have had girls rob me several times, and there have been reports on our local forum of the same thing happening to others and of several girls pulling knives, threatening to kick out a windshield, and trying bully tactics by making you think their thug boyfriend is going to attack you. When we discuss SW, sometimes someone will want to know what the girl looks like we are discussing, and the 'only' way to show who a girl is 90% of the time is a mug shot. Sometimes we are giving information out that a girl is a thief, or has some STD, or rips you off without performing what you paid for. What we are providing is information and help to our fellow mongers, information that possibly could keep someone from being put in a harmful or dangerous situation. Sometimes mug shots are all you have. I wouldn't put it past some of these type girls to assault a monger, or even to kill someone if the situation presented itself- and all for money for drugs. You have to remember, these girls are addicted to drugs-crack, cocaine, crystal meth, heroin. Why do we have to protect these type girls who could potentially at the very least damage our property or rob us of our money, and at the worst brutally assault or even kill one of us, just because we might embarrass them ? Even for girls we might post who are just someone we had a good time with, girls that are out there on the street are way past the point of being embarrassed.

I'm sure Jackson doesn't understand our points, because if he did he would clearly see what I've been trying to say. The posting of this poll shows he doesn't understand, because asking a monger whether we would want 'our' mug shot posted as opposed to a SW's mug shot is a totally different conversation. This website is supposed to be about helping other mongers out in disseminating information in regards to the sex trade. It states in the sites FAQ the following - What is the purpose of this Forum? The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the EXCHANGE of INFORMATION between MEN who are looking for sex with women. If we are to help our fellow mongers (men), then it is helping them by letting them know what a girl looks like who might potentially cause harm to them. If you had to go by some of the simple descriptions some of our local members give for girls, you'd be in trouble. Sometimes a pic is definitely helpful, and most times a mug shot is all you have.

Jackson also gave us the idea of finding the girls on the street or picking them up and taking a picture of them ourselves and posting that pic. These type girls aren't going to let you take a pic of them, and furthermore you wouldn't even get the chance to take one of them. And for girls we 'know' have robbed someone in the past, are we to, as people say, TOFFT and get with this girl with the hopes they might let us take a photo of them before they rob or attack us ? Anyway, posting a pic you take of a SW on the street is no more an embarrassment than posting their mug shot. And what's the difference ? We can post shots of 'females' who are just walking somewhere, no idea if they're SW or not, just take a pic of them cause they look good and post it here, but because someone was arrested and it's a mug shot, posting it is embarrassing them. I wonder if the woman walking down the street shopping would like to know her pic was posted on a site where people are looking for and discussing SW, escorts and the like ? Just because a girl is walking down a street doesn't necessarily mean she's a SW.

Jackson thinks that us posting mug shots is 'a tool for LE in their efforts to publicly embarrass and humiliate people arrested for commercial sex activities'. Basically he thinks mug shots are cops way of embarrassing people. I don't believe all LE websites and intentions are to embarrass arrestees by posting their mug shots on their websites. As I tried explaining before, it is for information purposes that they are posted, for the arrestees family members who might be looking for them or wanting to see how much their bond is, and it is also for the information of the average citizen to know what thugs might live down the road from them. Honestly, I'd like to know if some thug who lived down the street from me was arrested for aggravated assault or robbery or something of that nature. Now if a site is specifically set up to show 'Johns' and others arrested for prostitution crimes then, yes, that might be the intention of them to embarrass the individual.

I won't vote on this topic because the reason this topic is here is because I don't believe Jackson understands what I and others have tried to explain to him before. Of course we wouldn't want our mug shots posted here, but the thing is, they never would be in the first place. I've heard of private sites where escorts and the like go to discuss their dates and who to avoid. You can bet if one of them found a date's mug shot they wouldn't think twice about posting it for others information along with details and the like.

I posted on this before when this topic was discussed, and, although I was going to let it rest, my opinions haven't changed. I have, though, abided by the ways that Jackson wants and haven't posted any mug shots since he decided to start saying something about them being posted. It is after all, his website. I'm only posting my view again because he reopened the topic. I just wish he could understand my point of view, as well as others I have discussed this with. Prostitutes in the United States are mostly hooked on some type of drug. This causes them to do whatever they can to ge the money for that drug, and if they're feigning, they're certainly not going to do what you pay them for, and might even try to take your money in more unpleasant ways. If someone has experienced this and the person knows who the girl is, and possibly has a mug shot of them, the only way to show others who said girl is will be by posting said mug shot. This is for information purposes for our fellow mongers. Again I ask, is it more important to protect the honor of some SW and to save her from humiliation and embarrassment, or to help our fellow mongers here from a potential assault or worse against them ?

And as I told Jackson in the past, I'm not trying to argue with him, I'm just stating my point of view in hopes others will see my reasoning and help explain to him what I've obviously not been able to convey. I'll continue to abide by what he wishes, just as I have since I found out he didn't want mug shots posted.

Eddie Hawkins
12-10-08, 03:45
I missed the last poll, so I'm not sure how it was worded.

I think that if you are indeed posting mug shot photos for the purpose of helping the rest of us identify providers, then I think the post should clearly state that instead of being worded like the past mug shot posts I have seen, where the poster says something rude like, "These are the latest guests of the county". It's comments like that that reveal that your intent for posting the mug shots are far from helping the rest of us identify providers.

Literally, since some people can't seem to post these mug shots without appearing to be cruel, then those posts should be disallowed.

One point I'm confused about, though, is how can we Google search for the pics if you have to log in to view them? I have tried searching specifically for the names of the pics and they don't even show up in the search. This prevents me from seeing a preview, getting an original website address, and signing up at the website in order to view the content.

Jackson, I think that if you want to stop the posting of mug shots because users are posting them in a cruel manner, then that's fine. But if you're worried about these postings allowing LE or outsiders of any type somehow zeroing in on the site, I can't see how.

That being said, I think those saying it are correct. You are the owner of these forums. IF you want the mug shot postings to stop, make a rule, and enforce it. It will stop. If you feel you need to justify the rule or give your reasons for the rule, do so in a thread post, not by polling us. Polling us, especially multiple times on the same topic (some are saying with the same question rephrased, but I can't say since I didn't see the last one) just makes it look like you're just trying to find the right question that everyone agrees with and also supports your position. Not everyone is going to agree with you, not everyone is going to think barring mug shots is fair, but everyone will follow the rule if they want to stay on these forums. I think they will just respect you more if you take a stand as the owner and make a rule, like owners do.

Further, I think all the LE that wants to know about this forum already do, and someone in each of those organizations might even be regular guests, if not already have low- or no-posting accounts. The thing is, they can't do anything about past visits with a provider, they have to catch you in the act. So who cares how many LEO visit the site? If they get too thick on any stroll, which is really the only place they can use the information found here, the stroll moves. No big deal. And if they happen to grab more mongers before the stroll moves, well, that will always happen. It's regrettable, but it happens. Those mongers will be more careful in the future or quit the hobby. (I almost got caught once or twice. It happens. You learn from it and move on.)

My answer to the poll question as it is currently phrased is "no". If I were to get arrested, I personally would not want my mug shot posted in more places than it already will be as a course of standard operating procedure for whatever LE community I get arrested in. You'd have to be a moron, or a glutton for punishment and persecution, to want the chances of anyone, including someone you would rather not know about the arrest, finding your mug shot on any search. If it doesn't get posted in more places than the one government website that is a requirement, then chances are your mug shot will be so far down the list that it might be missed by any searcher that won't scan the entire list, unless they are looking specifically for your name. No one with a brain wants to increase their chances of embarrassment, so why would you want to increase someone else's?

I don't think the providers whose mug shots are being posted would like the fact that they are. If they don't want their picture taken when you are visiting, I doubt they'd consent to their mug shot being reposted here. Sure, you can try to take the stand that the mug shot is public domain, so they have no say. But that doesn't make it right. They already have that right taken from them by LE, they don't need a potential customer adding insult to injury.

So, can we just end this whole conversation and make a rule banning mug shot postings already? Since it has been abused in the past, I'd say it's high time to stop it.

Clark Kent
12-10-08, 10:40
Yes, there were some here who made weekly posts of their local mug shot gallery, I know. What I'm trying to explain is say some SW is picked up by someone who posts here and that SW happens to rob or attack them, and say you lived in the same area and mongered for SW to pick up. Wouldn't you want to know what a SW looked like who has attacked or robbed someone before ? Wouldn't you want to know how their face actually looks, and not only have some description like 'tall thin white girl, short wavy blonde hair' to go by ? In the context of those people that used to post the weekly mug shots, I don't believe they were degrading the women they were posting. I believe they were just showing the local guys what might be on the menu locally, as everyone has different tastes. In the FAQ here, the purpose of this forum is stated as follows "What is the purpose of this Forum? The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the EXCHANGE of INFORMATION between MEN who are looking for sex with women." Well, a photo of a SW, mug shot or street photo no matter, is the exchange of information between MEN who are looking for sex with women. This site is supposed to be for the monger, a place we can go to help another monger by passing along information good or bad as to what you might get if you visit certain providers. We already can't freely say what we want here as there's 'providers' who want to come on here and defend themselves, which takes away from what the stated purpose of the forum is to begin with. There are several reasons the posting of mug shots is beneficial for us mongers. It is showing other mongers what a SW looks like who might give good service. But more importantly, on occasion it allows us to help our fellow mongers to be safe and not pick up a SW who might rob, attack or possibly do worse to them. Not allowing the posting of mug shots makes email the only way to pass photos among ourselves, and there's lots of us here who might not feel comfortable sending emails back and forth, or want to give out an email address. If this site is for the monger, then why not let us use all our tools available to help each other out. Even if the mug shots aren't permitted on the main forum, then why not allow attaching photos in PM's so those of us who want such information can pass them privately 'on the board' without having to give out email addresses.

Stocking Lover
12-10-08, 11:43
First of all, I don't personally see SWs because of the numerous risks involved. However, this discussion has been had several times on the Memphis board and I had a few thoughts. I have personally posted mug shots of Sws in the past strictly for informational purposes for the board members and never as an embarrassment for the girl involved. Jackson states in his own words in the FAQ that "The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women." In this day and age, part of that information should be who has been arrested and for what charges. So many street girls are druggies and many are carrying diseases that result in charges of aggravated prostitution. Not to mention the fact that if they do drugs, there is a good possibility that have them on their person while out strolling. Shouldn't a monger have the information available to them that a particular girl might possibly be carrying drugs on them during a date? Also, LE seems to be flipping a lot of girls to set up their clients for arrest.

Now, to the main point. Why post their mugshots on this forum? To me its really quite simple. To know who you are doing business with. When I first began RTTFs at this site, the hardest thing for me was figuring out who the hell all these particular girls were because of all the names associated with them. Plus the fact that they often change their appearances with hair color, etc. You literally need a scorecard to keep up with all their various names and looks. The mugshots help put a face to the street names. That in turn helps provide protection from a girl who might have HIV, might be carrying drugs, or who might be working for LE. Posting mugshots is not about embarrassing them or providing help for LE. Trust me, vice knows these girls, what areas they work, and what they do for a living. They aren't using mug shots posted on this forum or any other to help arrest sws. I cannot understand why something that could protect a client from disease, or possible arrest is not considered to be facilitating the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.

SL

Virile Vito
12-10-08, 14:23
Jackson - Thanks for redoing this poll in a way that should hit home with some of the members whose votes in the first poll seemed to indicate that they'd be happy to post and view others' info but take a different attitude when it comes to their info.

About some of the comments posted - (1) I think Jackson is well aware of the laws and situation here, regardless of the fact that he is not currently living here. (2) It is not just SW photos that he is talking about. It is photos of anybody AND personal info that usually comes with police reports, like names, ages and addresses. (3) To say that it doesn't matter if stuff gets posted here because its already public information is a joke. Posting it here and in similar places not only boosts searches from search engines but collects in one convenient place, stores and makes far more accessible personal and private information that might otherwise only be found from going to or searching out far-flung, disparate and often temporary storage. (4) One of the comments that said this wouldn't matter because it won't help or hinder LE as they already know the girls misses the point that Jackson is making: that it helps LE not practically, but in their mission to embarrass and humiliate prostitutes and customers.

Eddie Hawkins
12-10-08, 15:34
As I said, it is HOW the mug shots are being posted that I personally have a problem with. If they truly are being posted for the right reasons, then the comments should be to that effect, not something snide like saying that they are the latest guests of the county. That's what I said, and that's what I meant.


I think that if you are indeed posting mug shot photos for the purpose of helping the rest of us identify providers, then I think the post should clearly state that instead of being worded like the past mug shot posts I have seen, where the poster says something rude like, "These are the latest guests of the county". It's comments like that that reveal that your intent for posting the mug shots are far from helping the rest of us identify providers.

Sexmoron
12-10-08, 18:29
As I said, it is HOW the mug shots are being posted that I personally have a problem with. If they truly are being posted for the right reasons, then the comments should be to that effect, not something snide like saying that they are the latest guests of the county. That's what I said, and that's what I meant.

Reading these posts, it seems as though there are justified reasons for posting a mug shot. The problem is when people post them purely for entertainment value. Now, I myself one time posted a group of mugshots for the idly curious. That's been awhile and I have to admit that seeing them posted on a regular basis since, I've come to regret my action as tasteless.

Still, some posters have a point. If you have a girl that is spreading a STD, or is using her boyfriend/pimp to rip people off and even physically endanger them, then posting a mugshot is justified.

So, why not a compromise? Any mugshot that someone wants to post has to be submitted for Jackson's approval and must include reasons, along with a link to the discussion that is addressing that problem? All other mugshots would be deleted with a warning made to the person who posted it?

Clark Kent
12-10-08, 18:38
What doesn't make sense is it's okay to post pics you might take of girls walking down the street, because they weren't created by a LEO, but still those pics are of an unsuspecting female who may not want their pics posted on a site of this nature. Just because a girl is walking down the street doesn't make them a SW, it might be some girl walking to the store or back to her car after shopping. True most girls posted walking ARE SW, but I'm just showing that the argument about the mug shots embarrassing women is just because of anger about where the photo came from.

Stocking Lover gave good points to further what I was trying to say. Sometimes mug shots are all you have to show who someone is, and if some girl has AIDS I sure as hell want to know what she looks like, and not just be going with a bland description of such.

And again, the poll 'doesn't' hit home with me, because for one thing, mongers mug shots wouldn't ever be posted here, as this website was intended to be helping facilitate information to MEN who are looking for sex with women. Honestly I don't know a single monger here who's going to waste their time looking for mug shots of fellow mongers to post here. We're interested in the girls, not the mongers. Mug shots help us in identifying girls who could be trouble in one way or the other, which is another way of exchanging information between men looking for sex with women. Now if the purpose of the website has changed, please let us know.

Clark Kent
12-10-08, 18:46
Still, some posters have a point. If you have a girl that is spreading a STD, or is using her boyfriend/pimp to rip people off and even physically endanger them, then posting a mugshot is justified.

So, why not a compromise? Any mugshot that someone wants to post has to be submitted for Jackson's approval and must include reasons, along with a link to the discussion that is addressing that problem? All other mugshots would be deleted with a warning made to the person who posted it?


But see, Sexmoron, Jackson doesn't see it this way. If we were to try to post a pic of a girl who has AIDS to help our fellow mongers from picking her up, he would probably saw we're trying to embarrass and humiliate some helpless girl, not because some cracked out SW was going around knowingly spreading her disease to all.

It's just the reasoning behind it. Only mug shots are wrong, but not pics of girls you take while they're with you, or of girls walking down the street. True I don't like cops myself, dispise them actually, but sometimes mug shots are helpful to fellow mongers, even if it was a sorry cop who took it.

Shadow Fox
12-11-08, 05:38
I have to agree with a couple of the posters on this topic. This boils down to a few things: who are your promising picks- meaning the ladies available for you to choose from, who are the ones to reserve judgment on, and who are the spoilers (people you need to avoid). My opinion is, the mug shots are (or were) an outstanding help. I don't want to say a critical help, but in some cases they are terribly important. Especially in Memphis, where I've recently returned.

For me, it takes as much research contacting someone, as it does to choose stock. I've finished an extended 'working vacation' abroad, and I miss how infinitely easier things are elsewhere. The situation here in the States is completely upside-down. The same things that you didn't even think twice about elsewhere are, well, dangerous here. It's sick. Forget LE for a moment, you could actually get killed. As a result, I believe different resources, and approaches should be used. To me, that means photos of buildings, places, and people to avoid. Hence, I'm all for mugshots. Whatever the reason someone had when they put them on here, they helped.

My goal, my outcome, indeed the very reason for me being a member on the board, is to develop a mutually beneficial connection/communication with a person of my choosing. Or lately, just to argue about politics. Seriously, though, to achieve my primary goal (finding a firm-breasted gal to play with), photos help a great deal. I want absolutely no drama. After all, this is supposed to be fun, and not some cloak-and-dagger stress-fest. The providers all have boards that they belong to, that help them decide who they may choose to see. This, as I understand it, is our forum to do that same function. This is where we choose the person to initiate contact with. The mugshot photos helped to facilitate an informed choice, I believe.

Weather I want to engage in a 'speed date', a serious dinner date, or a long-term communication with a person, I need information. A picture is indeed worth a thousand words, and a mug shot tells a bunch.

I considered the mug shots crucial when I was trying to make some decisions earlier. I was trying to get up to speed on who was a good, reliable, exclusive provider, so as not to end up contacting some cracked out, unsanitary, disease-prone SW, that just discovered the internet 2 months ago. When checked against a certain website, that still showed (and may still, for all I know) c-gslist erotic services photos just like l-stpic used to, it was extremely insightful. RTFF comments aside, sometimes you just don't want to sit and wade through miles of text, telling you how good Fannie Sue used to be at blowjobs before she got busted. You want to see what the hell Fannie Sue actually looked like 2 weeks ago, and if she looks normal, or all shot to hell.

The mugshot photos being removed on here, decided for me. That sealed it: if I couldn't tell who was who, and who was doing what, then it was best not to play at all. It negatively impacted me finding a local person to even consider contacting. I am of the mindset that, if you can't tell who is LEOs new bait, or if they're crazy, sick, infected or a thief, then you must assume that everyone is bad news. That, along some of the ridiculous 'requirements' some providers were asking for, convinced me to simply wait. So I did, and met with contacts I knew in Nashville and Atlanta, while on business there. Only recently has my situation improved locally.

I believe this forum still has solid value, and some pretty good information. But I really think that the mugshot photos helped to weed out people you didn't really want to deal with.

Driverdown
12-11-08, 13:30
I don't wanna put words in Jackson's mouth but the way I understand it, there is an inherent hypocrisy regarding the mug shots. Posting the pic of an arrested woman seems to be taken very differently than posting the pic of an arrested monger (which BTW I don't recall seen here). Add that the previous poll had some reasons for posting the pictures and some specifically voted for:
-Yes, I think that the news value outweighs their individual privacy.
-Yes, I think that these people deserve to be publicly exposed.
-Yes, I like to see the photos of people arrested for vice "crimes".

There may be valid points to put a pic of a woman (if she is sick or is a known thief) but few women on those pictures met those conditions, nor all are SW (escorts get busted too), nor all are drug addicts as a previous poster suggested.

Some people don't understand the term 'consistency' and its value, but then again some mongers believe prostitution should be illegal too...

Clark Kent
12-11-08, 14:58
There may be valid points to put a pic of a woman (if she is sick or is a known thief) but few women on those pictures met those conditions, nor all are SW (escorts get busted too), nor all are drug addicts as a previous poster suggested.


Well, honestly, I feel mug shots don't have to be posted only for warning others, but if we have to have a specific reason, then they at least need to be allowed to warn others about a girl who might attack them or have some disease or something. This website's purpose as stated in the FAQ is as follows "What is the purpose of this Forum? The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the EXCHANGE of INFORMATION between MEN who are looking for sex with women." If I pick up a SW and she services me good, then when I come here to tell others about her the only way I have now to let them know who she is would be to give a description of her. In the past I could possibly find a mug shot of her and post that as well. That in no means is a way to embarrass or humiliate her. It's a way to show a potential customer what the girl looks like so they can find her when they're out mongering. Jackson suggested taking photos of them ourselves. Well not all of us are able to bring along a camera, and not all girls want to pose for a layout...we don't all live in Philly or Miami, you know. Basically sometimes a mughsot is the only photo you'll have of someone.

I agree with Shadow Fox below, the providers have websites they go to to exchange information and to pass along warnings to fellow providers, and you can bet if one of them came upon a mug shot of some date they wouldn't hesitate to post it for all the provider world to see. You think they would be worried about humiliation and embarrassment of that date ?

Thinking about the overall picture, I don't see why we're having this conversation again, anyway. You're not going to change someone's mind when they already have their mind set on how they want to do things, especially if they don't want to understand or see the other side of the discussion.

Peter_Girth
12-12-08, 16:38
The way the poll is phrased smacks of the classic "when did you stop beating your wife" question. Obviously someone would have to be pretty stupid to WANT their mug posted, but consider this: (apologies if these points have already been brought up)

Response one is moot. If you are arrested, booked in, fingerprinted and had your mug shot taken the information about you is, by definition, public knowledge. It is in the public domain, cannot be copyrighted, and is free to be used by anyone who wants to use it for any reason they see fit to use it without any legal restrictions, unless the information has been classified for national security purposes. It is impossible to use this information in a libelous or slanderous manner since it is the truth. It is absurd to ask if you WANT your information made public when it is ALREADY public knowledge. Response two is also moot by extension of this argument.

Response three is just as ridiculous. Anyone who HONESTLY answers this poll with any response other than three, or four since they are the same thing for all practical purposes, is either an idiot, is insane, is a hypocrite, or is a masochist of some form or fashion.

So what is the purpose of the poll in the first place?? To see who on the forum are idiots, hypocrites, masochists or nuts and who actually have the good sense to not want to be pilloried??

OK, Jackson is making an attempt to apply the Golden Rule to the question of posting mug shots of people arrested for prostitution. I suppose there is something laudable in this, but there is a fundamental difference between the providers and the hobbyist. The providers are in it for the money, and being arrested, as embarrassing as it might be, is an occupational hazard. Many or most of them have long rap sheets and one more arrest or having their mug posted is not likely to materially affect their lives or earning potential one way or another. Most hobbyists have "real" jobs that they can lose, with the concurrent loss of revenue and tax dollars to the community. Many have families who will be adversely affected by their arrest. Ect, ect, ad infinitum.

So I am going to affirm the fact that I am not a moron or masochist and indicate response "three" to the poll. If this makes me a hypocrite in your or in Jackson's eyes, then so be it.

Clark Kent
12-12-08, 17:34
I agree with your assessment, Peter. I feel the only reason the poll is here is to get those of us who favor the allowing of mug shot postings to supposedly see some type of reasoning as to why the posting of them is unfair to someone's right of privacy or something. Jackson's mind is already made up on the mug shot issue, because if the poll's outcomes meant anything the results of the last poll would have meant we would now be allowed to post mug shots. Moreover, we could talk about the benefits of being allowed to post mug shots until we're blue in the face and as long as he doesn't see what we're trying to explain then it accomplishes nothing. Most of the ones who post in the defense of mug shots not being allowed, or how they're some 'tool for humiliation and embarrassment' are people that more than likely don't visit SW, and therefore, have no need for them to be posted- or at least don't visit drugged out SW from the USA. Those of us who do visit SW have an interest in them being allowed, for no other reason than for the safety of ourselves and other fellow mongers. I know if someone came onto the board and said they found out some SW had AIDS or one they picked up attacked them with a knife or something I'd surely want to know what the girl looked like, and if they or someone else had a mug shot of the girl I'd certainly appreciate the fact that they posted it for us to see. Only having the ability to give a word description of how a SW looks if all you have is a mug shot of them is no way to help someone watch out for them. Most SW are drug addicts in the U.S., and therefore most have been arrested at some time and have had a mug shot of them made. The mug shots are sometimes the only pic you might have of a certain girl. This board is supposed to be for exchanging information between MEN who are looking for sex with women, and the mug shot is a tool for that exchange of information, as what is a better tool to show what someone looks like than a picture of that person's face. I feel I'm repeating myself, and I probably am. I just can't understand why on a board where MEN are supposed to be exchanging information to help others find girls and to stay safe in that cause, we can't use what we have available to us to help each other out.

Highway Man
12-13-08, 04:15
LEO uses pictures of people suspected of engaging in prostitution related behavior as a means to publicly humiliate and punish people who have not been found guilty of any crime.

The media is a willing accomplice to this violation of civil rights since they benefit from the swarms of viewers who are fascinated by the media's persecution of these supposed offenders and the resulting carnival atmosphere.

This LEO - media attack is a calculated event that depends on humiliation and villification to supposedly combat the prostitution problem. The media reports little real information about prostitution as an event or any solutions to the problem - it just dehumanizes those caught in its web and distorts the publics' perception of the whole situation.

Jackson is right. Anything that contributes to this media spectacle is wrong on any level.

However,

I think that posting pictures on this sight does not contribute to the media frenzy.

People posting and reading on this site are not looking for the hype, they are looking for real information. And anyone who happens upon the site looking for more hype and hysteria will find facts and frank discussions about the situation, not just a 30 second highlight film with some LEO telling the world what a great savior he is for busting 3 SW's.

So the real effect will be that the pictures will not be used to fuel LEO's fire - if anything it will help put a real face on the situation instead of the picture that the media paints. People who come on this site looking for information will find it. People who come on this site looking to fuel their scarlett letter mob mentality will instead find a real conversation that humanizes the whole event and gives it a real perspective.

Clark Kent
12-13-08, 16:21
Even within the last day people have posted mug shots for the very type reasons I've been stressing. Someone in Fort Myers posted a girl's mug shot who had his money before actually doing anything and took off running with his money, so there's a posting of a rip off to warn others as to what she looks like. In Honolulu, a girl's mug shot was posted to show others which girl he was talking about that was his 'favorite oral expert', so that's posted as a means to find a SW who gives good BJ's.

These are examples of what I've been talking about. The mug shots aren't posted by most of us as a means of humiliating women or because we have some mad-on for females, as Jackson is trying to assume we do. The mug shots, for the most part, are posted as means of information and identification for fellow mongers. Even the ones that posted the weekly mug shot gallery for their local areas weren't trying to humiliate the women they posted, they were showing other local mongers what girls might be out on the stroll. I know I've seen mug shots of girls arrested for prostitution related crimes I've never seen on the stroll, and would occasionally like to know if others have seen them on the stroll. But as I said, if someone already has their mind made up about something, all the talking in the world isn't going to change their mind.

Sir Loin
12-14-08, 21:44
You guys *do* realize that people are still posting mugshots, right?

I've seen some posts that say "if we were allowed"

I've only seen one asshole attempt to embarrass these girls, he'd post 20 or so pics of mongers and providers, especially the ugly ones, I don't even know the point behind it but they were back-to-back posts. This was a while ago, and I'm sure he was reprimanded by Jackson and scolded by other mongers because there was no purpose to his posting.

Otherwise it helps us identify these girls. I don't necessarily think we need these girls' addresses, but a mugshot is fine. An address may be taking it too far.

Keep in mind though guys, these mugshots from the SO's website are temporary, but when you put them on this site they are almost permanent. I've seen mugshots as old as '02.

Like many have said, the info IS public domain, anybody can google and find it. It's really not any different. Being on this site may make it easier, but hey. It's public domain! Anybody googling your name can save your mugshots on their comp, and like someone else pointed out, even actors/actresses mugshots can be found because it's public domain!

I think as long as the poster's intentions aren't to humilate the SW, then it should be fine. But when the poster is like that one asshole that was just posting back-to-back posts saying "duh huh huh look at how ugly and meth'd/cracked out these girls in my city are", there is no purpose for that and it is pretty much just clutter. I groaned every time I saw that stupid shit in the photo gallery, really like 20-30 pics or so of pointless posts.

Clark Kent
12-15-08, 00:52
But also, if you rename the pics and don't use the arrestees names in the mug shots, then they won't be searchable. I always only used the person's first name or first initial when I posted mug shots. Also, yes I know they're still being posted, it's just the fact that Jackson wishes for them not to be. I'm just trying to explain why it needs to be okay to post them.

Big A
12-15-08, 18:39
I thought we were all suppose to be in this together? No, should be the answer!

LordBlackAdder
12-15-08, 21:31
This poll makes little sense.

I am fairly certain that no one comes to this site to look at pictures of chaps, so what would be the point for posting pictures of them. I also do not think they would get viewed much if they were posted.

To prove this point I am posting pictures of two Canadian politicians. One of whom is the court jester in their House of Commons. The other was once rumoured to have had an affair with a former American President. I am pretty certain which one will get looked at the most, just as I am that members who do not follow politics north of the border can determine which one is which.

Sexmoron
12-15-08, 22:35
The other was once rumoured to have had an affair with a former American President. I am pretty certain which one will get looked at the most, just as I am that members who do not follow politics north of the border can determine which one is which.

Yeah. I give up. What's her name?

Sexmoron
12-15-08, 22:43
Yeah. I give up. What's her name?

Belinda Stronach. GIYF.

Orlando J
12-15-08, 23:12
I did not participate in this poll and others for the reasons. I think anything can be used for good and bad. Mug-shots were very helpful. I and other members have used them for all the reasons that Clark Kent and others demonstrated. I would feel so bad if we can not use them.
Besides if anyone uses them for the wrong reasons we'll report the post.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=738746&postcount=11

The way the poll is phrased smacks of the classic "when did you stop beating your wife" question. Obviously someone would have to be pretty stupid to WANT their mug posted, but consider this: (apologies if these points have already been brought up)

Response one is moot. If you are arrested, booked in, fingerprinted and had your mug shot taken the information about you is, by definition, public knowledge. It is in the public domain, cannot be copyrighted, and is free to be used by anyone who wants to use it for any reason they see fit to use it without any legal restrictions, unless the information has been classified for national security purposes. It is impossible to use this information in a libelous or slanderous manner since it is the truth. It is absurd to ask if you WANT your information made public when it is ALREADY public knowledge. Response two is also moot by extension of this argument.

Response three is just as ridiculous. Anyone who HONESTLY answers this poll with any response other than three, or four since they are the same thing for all practical purposes, is either an idiot, is insane, is a hypocrite, or is a masochist of some form or fashion.

So what is the purpose of the poll in the first place?? To see who on the forum are idiots, hypocrites, masochists or nuts and who actually have the good sense to not want to be pilloried??

OK, Jackson is making an attempt to apply the Golden Rule to the question of posting mug shots of people arrested for prostitution. I suppose there is something laudable in this, but there is a fundamental difference between the providers and the hobbyist. The providers are in it for the money, and being arrested, as embarrassing as it might be, is an occupational hazard. Many or most of them have long rap sheets and one more arrest or having their mug posted is not likely to materially affect their lives or earning potential one way or another. Most hobbyists have "real" jobs that they can lose, with the concurrent loss of revenue and tax dollars to the community. Many have families who will be adversely affected by their arrest. Ect, ect, ad infinitum.

So I am going to affirm the fact that I am not a moron or masochist and indicate response "three" to the poll. If this makes me a hypocrite in your or in Jackson's eyes, then so be it.

Mister Quick
12-16-08, 12:08
Until someone suggests a good reason to post a picture of a guy that has been arrested I see no good reason to vote in this poll. As others have mentioned I think this is Jacksons attempt at reversing the results of the previous poll, where I asked him if he meant pictures of girls or pictures of guys? His answer was something to the effect that he did not seem to see any difference. They are as others have pointed out still being posted every week.

I have in the past posted a number of mug shots of girls arrested. I beleive I may have also posted a pic of a guy who was a transvestite and also arrested to warn others that this "girl" had something extra. Since none of the guys on here, I am hoping, are transvestites looking for action this exception would not apply to them.

At some point my posts started being monitired and mnay of the mugshots I posted have vanished from the site along with some pics of a girl who was arrested but had previously sent me some pictures of herself in emails while we had been communictaing on a dating website. I stopped hearing from her after the arrest.

Although many of these points have been mentioned by others I will offer what I beleive are reasons to post pictures of girls, wether good or bad they all have some validity:

1) They can be used to ID girls who provide real good service and should be picked up if you spot them.

2) They can be used to ID girls who are to be avoided since they have ripped you off or are known to be infected with something a guy does not want to get.

3) They can be used to allow others to help ID a girl who gies by more than one name. A mugshot of Mindy may be a girl someone else knows as Wanda while someone else might know her as Sugar.

4) They can be used to get an idea of what the girls look like in a particular town that you are thinking of heading to. Often that they are look rather skanky or that there are some good ones there. Ot let the other locals know that there is some fresh talent around and worth looking for. Most girls are back on the street looking for money to pay fines shortly after they are arrested.

5) If a girl is not released or sent to prison, someone who really liked her will now know why one of his favorite girls is no longer around.

Reasons to post pictures of any guys:

Nowhere near as long of a list.

I do not see posting the pictures here as ebing used to embarass the girls (or guys) the LEO websites often get mentioned in the media as being around to do so. I do not see any mentions in the media say come to usasexguide to look at the pictures of the people who were arrested, and besides you have to actually join the site to look at the pictures and I do not think that google can ID the pictures that their indexing bots cant look at.

If you want to talk about potentially embarassing pictures my first choice would be the many that are posted of girls who may or may not be a SW whose pictures are taken while walking down the street in an area known for SW. Although I know sometimes these are taken of a girl that has been picked up before or taken before they were picked up often I have seen them with a comment to the effect of "this girl looks really hot I dont know if she is a SW or not".

Although LEO is far from infallable they do have a fairly good track record of only arresting the working girls as evidencede by the old Peoria PD website where they keep up pictures of people who are arrested for a year even if they are found "not guilty" a note of "not guilty" was placed over the innocent people pictures. They had NO girls but 2 guys out of all the ones they arrested who were found not guilty.

Clark Kent
12-16-08, 19:33
All excellent points which I have also pointed out, Mister Quick. I'm glad there are others who see the points I've been trying to make. As I've stated before, the ones who oppose the mug shots being posted are more than likely people who don't visit SW, and therefore, would have no interest in seeing them posted.

Jackson has said in the past in other forums when the last poll was up that we should take pics of the SW ourselves and post them if we want to show who someone is. Think about how difficult that would be. We're not all Cooky Jar or Glenn61, not everyone can get SW to pose for them. Furthermore, why would we want to go looking for a SW who has a bad reputation to try to get them to allow us to snap their pic. Even trying to find girls walking on the street to take a pic of them wouldn't be easy if you were trying to find a specific person to get a pic of. It makes no sense, especially when alot of times a mug shot is a clear pic of what someone looks like, and readily available.

But as said below, this poll is just a means of trying to mold the opinion to look like no one wants mug shots in general to be posted. The subject of the poll is irrelevant for the topic that's trying to get swept under the rug anyway. I honestly don't see why it was brought up again anyway, because if Jackson already has his mind set that he doesn't want mug shots posted, then most everybody I assumed was abiding by it. The poll is just a way to make it appear that everyone agrees with him, and possibly a way to make him feel the majority agrees with his decision. I'm sure if you polled those of us who monger for SW, though, the consensus would be close to 100% approval FOR the posting of mug shots for nothing more than the informational value of them, or as the sites FAQ says is the purpose of the forum - to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. Though, I believe I, Mister Quick and others who are trying to speak for the allowing of the mug shots are doing nothing more than spitting in the wind.

Orlando J
12-16-08, 21:51
I agree with you and others. You guys have demonstrated the value of using Mug-shots. I would not have said better than this.
I have faith in Jackson and my wishes and hopes that he will leave it as it was. I have not posted Mug-shots lately after I saw him deleting them. Though I saw many mug-shots posted lately. After all it's his forum and we respect him and his rules.
I have used mug-shots in several occasions:
- Show rip-off girls (as said before how can you get her picture)
- Pictures of good providers who abused drugs and I believe this helped them as some were released by their fans. I think some of them straightened their lifes. Many are still in business for money or just kept it for regulars and word of mouth.
- Show a girl who's cute but told me after picking her she is hermaphrodite (born with both equipments). You won't know unless she tells you.
- Mug-shots add value to our posts
- I would not pay few more dollars for SW's to pose for me. I prefer to add this money and get another girl.
On the other hand, we all like the forum, its purpose and the general rules. Once we see a post that's against those rules we report it. If anyone used those mug-shots for humiliation purposes. I believe we'll report this post and we'll even flame the poster.
The mug-shots are public for everyone to use. I do not even think a good provider would mind posting her picture. It was useful in bailing them.

Other valid reasons:
- An HIV girl who works the streets.
- Pictures are worth 1000 words to id a girl who uses many names and she's rip off.
- Actually when many members used mug-shots I was wondering if Leo would stop posting mug-shots since they were very helpful. It was actually free publicity for good working girls. Also, straightened the life of some girls. The reverse effect might happen once they realize who they helped us.

All excellent points which I have also pointed out, Mister Quick. I'm glad there are others who see the points I've been trying to make. As I've stated before, the ones who oppose the mug shots being posted are more than likely people who don't visit SW, and therefore, would have no interest in seeing them posted.

Jackson has said in the past in other forums when the last poll was up that we should take pics of the SW ourselves and post them if we want to show who someone is. Think about how difficult that would be. We're not all Cooky Jar or Glenn61, not everyone can get SW to pose for them. Furthermore, why would we want to go looking for a SW who has a bad reputation to try to get them to allow us to snap their pic. Even trying to find girls walking on the street to take a pic of them wouldn't be easy if you were trying to find a specific person to get a pic of. It makes no sense, especially when alot of times a mug shot is a clear pic of what someone looks like, and readily available.

But as said below, this poll is just a means of trying to mold the opinion to look like no one wants mug shots in general to be posted. The subject of the poll is irrelevant for the topic that's trying to get swept under the rug anyway. I honestly don't see why it was brought up again anyway, because if Jackson already has his mind set that he doesn't want mug shots posted, then most everybody I assumed was abiding by it. The poll is just a way to make it appear that everyone agrees with him, and possibly a way to make him feel the majority agrees with his decision. I'm sure if you polled those of us who monger for SW, though, the consensus would be close to 100% approval FOR the posting of mug shots for nothing more than the informational value of them, or as the sites FAQ says is the purpose of the forum - to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. Though, I believe I, Mister Quick and others who are trying to speak for the allowing of the mug shots are doing nothing more than spitting in the wind.

Member #1658
12-19-08, 01:21
Not trying to step on any toes here, but I'd like to provide my perspective and see what others have to say.

If we are all to agree that posting mugshots of arrested girls is embarrasing or humiliating to the girls and should not be done, then that begs the question of whether its OK to post candid photos of the girls walking the street. I've personally posted several candid photos of known SWs along with my review of their talents. My thought behind it was that I was providing a tool to help other mongers find the good ones and avoid the bad ones. Some of the girls probably appreciate the extra business. Some of the girls probably would not be happy to find their photos on the web.

Should we restrict ourselves to posting only photos where the girl agreed to it in advance and knew her photo was going to be posted on the web? I hope that the consensus on this is "No - candid photos are fine", but I struggle to see the difference between a mug shot and a candid photo taken and posted without consent.

Obviously, I do not want to see mug shots of arrested guys on here (unless it's a warning to all of us about a guy arrested for prostitution and he was posing as a girl), nor do I want to see photos of mongers vehicles or anything that might give away their identity. So, yes, I'll admit to a double standard in my thinking here, but this site is about guys looking for girls -- and hence photos along with the reviews. This site is not about pointing out the guys who are unlucky enough to get caught at this hobby and so those photos should be banned.

Clark Kent
12-19-08, 14:05
You make good points. What's to say the candid photos of the girl walking down the street isn't going to be embarrassing to them, either ? Say someone from their family happened upon this website and didn't know they were a SW and saw their pic and a description with it saying they picked her up and did such and such with her. It would be no more humiliating or embarrassing than a mug shot.

Really, I don't understand why we're having this discussion about being chivalrous to the damsel in distress when this is supposed to be a website for men passing along information to other men who are looking for sex with women. Photos are information, no matter whether it's a mug shot or some candid photo of someone strolling down the boulevard. It's like we're trying to have several conversations in one, the embarrassment and humiliation angle to the assumed victin (a prostitute, streetwalker, drug addict, whatever), the embarrassment and humiliation angle from LE (which I really don't see), the informational aspect for our benefit (which can be for caution as well as someone good to keep an eye out for, which it what I thought this site was supposed to be about). This is all why I don't see what the point in this new poll was about. The discussion about mongers mug shots being posted here is crazy, why would we even do that as that's not even what this site is supposed to be about. If Jackson didn't want mug shots posted here, okay, most of us conformed and didn't post them anymore. But if this poll was to try and get us to better explain why we feel mug shots are sometimes imperative to post for informational purposes to other mongers, then that is what I'm trying to convey, but I honestly don't believe that was the polls objective. If this poll was for what I think it was for, to try to mold our thinking into why he doesn't want them posted, and maybe that would make us 'see' why that should overshadow our reasoning for posting them, in my opinion, it fails to accomplish that. Regardless of whether mug shots were created to embarrass someone or not (which they weren't, they are for information to family and community as to who is incarcerated), they are sometimes the only tool we have here to pass along information to other mongers as to who someone is and what they look like. It just flabbergasts me that the topic is being worried about a drug addicted SW being embarassed and humiliated by their mug shot being posted. By them not being allowed to be posted makes a greater chance that we might pick someone up who might attack, rob, kill, or pass along AIDS to us because we were not able to be informed as to what they look like because we were more concerned here with their embarrassment than we were their likelihood of their being dangerous to us. Then when we say things like this, Jackson comes on and says we have some mad on for females, hate the female sex, or have some underlying hatred for women. WHAT ? That's ridiculous. This is for our safety. Honestly, so what if posting a mug shot of some SW who has attacked, robbed, killed, or passed along AIDS to someone might embarrass or humiliate them. I'd rather them be humiliated and by me seeing their mug shot I recognize who they are on the street and not pick them up and be killed or cut or something. This is just an insane conversation. This site is for MEN passing along information to other MEN as who are looking for sex with women. Information includes discussions as to how a girl performed, descriptions, and most of all, photos. Think of it this way, even if LE posts mug shots to humiliate and embarrass someone, what if that someone is an assailant, robber, killer or a carrier of AIDS, and happens to also be a SW who walks the street. Does their embarrassment and humiliation overshadow the safety of us mongers who are supposed to be helping each other out ?

Orlando J
12-25-08, 23:07
Hi Jackson,
I am not 100% sure of the following:
- You do not mind posting mug-shots without posting names, addresses and/or personal information

Clark Kent
12-26-08, 13:16
Thank you Glenn, if a pic of a girl with cum all over her face doesn't embarrass her, then why should a mug shot, lol.

Orlando, no, he does not want mug shots posted, period. According to him, they're tools used to embarrass and humiliate the girls by LE, yet as Glenn said, how are shots of them with cum all over their face not humiliating. It's not what the photos are of, but who they're made by, I assume, which is supposed to be the humiliator. As I look at it, if we're so concerned about the humiliation and embarrassment aspect of it, then why not just disallow ALL photos of SW's, escorts and the like. If someone who knows them happens upon this site and sees their pics and realizes they're in the sex trade, they're going to be embarrassed and humiliated regardless of whether it's a mug shot or a candid photo.

Clark Kent
12-27-08, 01:41
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the subject was not related to the purpose of this Forum, which is as follows:

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex.

"provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex"

Exactly what the purpose of the mug shots are for us here. To help others out with information of what a provider looks like so we can find them for sexual purposes.

My Vice
12-27-08, 16:11
I agree with you and others. You guys have demonstrated the value of using Mug-shots. I would not have said better than this.Orlando J,

Thanks. You have articulated very well on this topic. It goes without say. Whatever decision Jackson makes is what I will abide by. Its Jackson's sandbox!

Glenn61 makes some valid points. And since I am an admirer of his work. I am rethinking my mugshot links that I post.

I must say I have always done it for the bettermeant of the hobby and to inform fellow mongers.

Stay Safe

Clark Kent
12-28-08, 00:07
Glenn61 makes some valid points. And since I am an admirer of his work. I am rethinking my mugshot links that I post.

Glenn isn't saying he doesn't think mug shots should be posted, he is trying to explain, like I am, why they SHOULD be. He is just explaining that if we can post pics of women with cum on their face, why is that not embarrassing but mug shots are. He's taking a different approach than I am, but I agree with his thoughts as we both have the same goals.

And I agree as well, I will go by what the decision is as to the posting or not posting of mug shots. I already was going along with the issue. But if posting continual polls is to try to get those of us to 'see' why posting them is a bad idea, I'll never think it's a bad idea especially when it's the safety of others we're talking about. Our safety is much more important than the miniscule chance some SW is going to get her feelings hurt because some mug shot was posted of her on a site 95% of them will never know about or go to. If they're not allowed, they're not allowed, what difference does it really make if we don't agree with it or not as long as we abide by what he wants ? The funny thing is, people are continuing to post them as we speak, and most of them posted are for the very reasons I've been speaking out in defense of.

My Vice
12-28-08, 07:56
Thanks Clark Kent.

I hope in the near future I can contribute to this wealth of information with "pics of women with cum on their face".

Orlando J
12-28-08, 14:54
According to last poll of posting names, addresses and photos of arrestees (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=5568) 92% of forum members believe:
Yes, why not? I don't think that it makes any difference.
Me, Glenn61, Clark Kent, Member #1658, Mister Quick, Peter_Girth ... and many others at least 92% agree on first poll results.
I have contacted Glenn61 becuase of our need to use mug-shots.
The importance of using mug-shots out-weighs any other reason of not using them. On the other hand, I do not see a problem in using them without full release of personal info.


Orlando J,

Thanks. You have articulated very well on this topic. It goes without say. Whatever decision Jackson makes is what I will abide by. Its Jackson's sandbox!
Thanks


Glenn61 makes some valid points. And since I am an admirer of his work. I am rethinking my mugshot links that I post.

I must say I have always done it for the bettermeant of the hobby and to inform fellow mongers.

Stay Safe

Hoho Creampie
12-29-08, 02:02
I must say I get a good laugh out of the stings on shows like COPS and I enjoy watching Brian Bates too.

But I still don't see the problem of posting arrest reports of girls as well as their mugshots.

Admin
12-29-08, 10:53
He is just explaining that if we can post pics of women with cum on their face, why is that not embarrassing but mug shots are.Greetings guys,

For the 10th fucking time, let me explain this.

A "Mug Shot" is different because it implies that the person in the photograph was arrested because of their involvement in a criminal act.

Thanks,

Jackson

Admin
12-29-08, 10:56
Exactly what the purpose of the mug shots are for us here. To help others out with information of what a provider looks like so we can find them for sexual purposes.Hi CK,

So how exactly does that work? Do you go trolling the streets with your trusty photo album of mug shots that you use to identify which SWs are safe, unsafe, or what?

ROTFLMAO!

Thanks,

Jackson

Admin
12-29-08, 11:01
Hi Jackson,

I am not 100% sure of the following:

- You do not mind posting mug-shots without posting names, addresses and/or personal informationOrlando J,

Posting full names, full address and personally identifying information is already prohibited, although part of the problem is that this personal information invariably seems to accompany the mug shots.

Thanks,

Jackson

Orlando J
12-29-08, 12:09
Hi Jackson,
I think I have better understanding now. Sometimes pictures have informations embedded in them. This can be avoided if the picture properties were changed. This can be avoided. One way to do this is to;
- select the picture
- right mouse click
- select properties
- change it's information.
Just a thought
Thanks

Orlando J,

Posting full names, full address and personally identifying information is already prohibited, although part of the problem is that this personal information invariably seems to accompany the mug shots.

Thanks,

Jackson

Clark Kent
12-29-08, 16:29
Hi CK,

So how exactly does that work? Do you go trolling the streets with your trusty photo album of mug shots that you use to identify which SWs are safe, unsafe, or what?

ROTFLMAO!

Thanks,

Jackson



No, Jackson, I do not. I do, however, have a mind, and a good memory. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has seen a mug shot of a person someone has posted locally and recognized who the girl was. If I, or others didn't recognize who it was, then it was a piece of information we could have to watch out for someone in case they were a potential danger. Even viewing a pic of someone who is a potential danger could cause someone to have recognition as to who someone is if they saw them while they were out mongering, and might prevent them from picking the girl up and putting themselves in potential danger. Surely, the safety of our board members should be primary concern. I don't see what's funny about those of us who are trying to watch out for others backs.

Clark Kent
12-29-08, 16:40
Greetings guys,

For the 10th fucking time, let me explain this.

A "Mug Shot" is different because it implies that the person in the photograph was arrested because of their involvement in a criminal act.

Thanks,

Jackson

This board is called the USA sex guide, not Global sex guide. In most cities in the US, streetwalking and prostitution are crimes. Also, most girls who are engaged in streetwalking are only doing that because they're addicted to some type of drug. Most, if not all, activities involving the things SW's are involved in are a crime in the US. Streetwalking and prostitution are crimes in most areas in the US. Possession or attempt to possess drugs is also a crime. The attempt to conduct business with a prostitute is also a crime. Therefore, there's invariably going to be mug shots of these girls who are engaged in the act of prostitution. Unlike other countries where prostitution isn't illegal and you could just walk down the road and go inside a house of prostitution like it was some boutique and browse and whatnot, here you have to do things more discreetly. Girls here who are engaged in SWing are addicted to drugs more often than not, and will do whatever they can to get their drugs, which sometimes means rob, attack, and even kill. Sure, the mug shots are made by LE, but they can also be used as a tool for us here to know what a girl looks like.

Clark Kent
12-29-08, 16:58
Orlando J,

Posting full names, full address and personally identifying information is already prohibited, although part of the problem is that this personal information invariably seems to accompany the mug shots.

Thanks,

Jackson

Okay, so if mug shots were posted with none of this, then, does than mean they can be posted ? I've never posted a mug shot with a full name, address or anything of that nature to begin with. I usually named a mug shot I posted with just their first name or first initial, never anything else.

I have no problem with abiding by the rules you set forth here, and if you choose to not have mug shots posted then so be it. You might want to make it a rule in the written rules as nowhere is it listed as not allowed, though. The only reason I've even commented here is it seems you're trying to get those of us who wish mug shots to be allowed to understand your reasoning as to why you don't want them posted, or you're trying to make the poll come out in a positive way to justify your not allowing them by it looking like most of the membership doesn't want them posted anyway. As I said, I'll abide by whatever rules you set forth, and if you wish mug shots to not be posted then I won't post them. I still will not agree with it, though. I don't understand your reasoning just as I'm guessing you don't understand ours, because if you did you would understand the necessity of being able to show others who some of these girls are here. What you don't realize is most SW here in America ARE criminals, and their only motivation is dope. We have to look out for each others back here on this forum by passing along information to everyone else as to who might potentially be a danger. By not allowing mug shots to be posted, this hinders us in helping others out.

On a sidenote, I can just see a SW here in the US strolling into their neighborhood internet cafe and coming to this site and finding their mug shot posted and being so terribly embarrassed and humiliated. I'm sure SW are really concerned about such things. Now, truthfully, since mug shots aren't allowed, what we'd more likely have happen is someone related to them happen upon this site and see the pics of their relative from Glenn or Cooky Jar with cum all over their face, and suddenly that relative realizes their loved one is a SW. But that's not embarrassing is it ?

Baltimonger
12-29-08, 20:00
Speaking of issues with mug shots of women we've had sex with,,,The Smoking Gun doesn't seem to have any issues with anyone's mug shot,,,agree...?

And sometimes it is wrong on so many levels:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1219081mugs1.html

Rob Roy
12-30-08, 22:36
Read the discussion on this poll. I have yet to see any reasons why anyone would want to post or look at a pcture of a guy arrested for picking up a prostitute. Am I missing something here?

Although I am guesssing unless Officer Friendly is a regular poster in each and every city on here that the mugshots are coming from an online source and thus could be just as easily be found there by googling the arrested person's name.

Mister Quick
12-31-08, 12:27
Greetings guys,

For the 10th fucking time, let me explain this.

A "Mug Shot" is different because it implies that the person in the photograph was arrested because of their involvement in a criminal act.

Thanks,

JacksonWhat about pictures from prison websites. I know the Illinois Department of Corrections has pictures of all their prisoners and people who are not locked up but are currently on parole. I have discovered more than one girl out there who is on parole and thus her picture was still up there. Unlike mugshots, taken at the time of arrest when a person has not been found guilty, all of the people in prison or on probation have been found guilty of something.

Mister Quick
12-31-08, 12:56
Hi CK,

So how exactly does that work? Do you go trolling the streets with your trusty photo album of mug shots that you use to identify which SWs are safe, unsafe, or what?

ROTFLMAO!

Thanks,

JacksonI have no clue how it is done. However I have seen people have pictures sent to their cell phones that they can view and store there for future viewing. So in theory you could save pictures that are posted here and send them to yourself in that manner. So what you suggest is in theory possible.

There have also been cases where I have seen girls out, and not picked them up, who I recognise if I saw her picture posted. If someone had something good or bad to say about her I would thus be more (or less) inclined to pick her up should I see her again. A picture of Tonya would be far better than this description posted of her: "Tonya is in her late 20's to early 30's. She is around 5' tall, dirty blonde hair, and around 11o lbs. She is quite cute for an SW." Taken from a recent post on a board I frequent.

I once posted a mughsot of a girl accused of killing a guy she picked up. Another member said he had recently been with her. Since he was still alive he said he got off lucky and that he would make sure he did not pick her up again. Although this turned out to be a needless precaution on his part since she was found guilty of killing the guy and sent to prison for an extended stay.

One could apply your reasoning to all photos posted here from all sources. A picture I took of a girl who was really fun (or ripped me off ) would be no more or less useful (assuming it was not too dark, blurry etc) in identifying her than would her mugshot or a picture of her from an ad on craigslist.

Admin
01-01-09, 16:21
What about pictures from prison websites. I know the Illinois Department of Corrections has pictures of all their prisoners and people who are not locked up but are currently on parole. I have discovered more than one girl out there who is on parole and thus her picture was still up there. Unlike mugshots, taken at the time of arrest when a person has not been found guilty, all of the people in prison or on probation have been found guilty of something.===================================================

Greetings guys,

For the 10th fucking time, let me explain this.

It's appalling that LE uses their own websites to publicly humiliate girls arrested for victimless crimes such as consensual commercial sex, BUT...

I do not have to add to the embarrassment and humiliation of these girls by allowing this website, with it's strong search engine presence, to amplify their embarrassment and humiliation by greatly increasing the presence of their photos and their personal information on the Internet.

Get it?

Thanks,

Jackson

Qncterra
01-01-09, 19:56
Jackson,

For what it's worth . . .
I agree completely with your position.

Clark Kent
01-02-09, 00:06
===================================================

Greetings guys,

For the 10th fucking time, let me explain this.

It's appalling that LE uses their own websites to publicly humiliate girls arrested for victimless crimes such as consensual commercial sex, BUT...

I do not have to add to the embarrassment and humiliation of these girls by allowing this website, with it's strong search engine presence, to amplify their embarrassment and humiliation by greatly increasing the presence of their photos and their personal information on the Internet.

Get it?

Thanks,

Jackson


We 'get it', we just don't understand it. I see your point, though I don't understand the logic to it. It's like these girls who commit crimes and assault and rob mongers are more important than the very people who make up this board's membership. What's the miniscule possibility of humiliation and embarrassment of some girl if it means it saves someone here from getting assaulted, stabbed, robbed or even killed ? When I mention this I get joked at assuming that I'm carrying some pocket photo album around with girls pictures in it. Does face recognition mean anything to anybody ? Just seeing a picture of someone's face puts recognition of that face into your mind, and if you see that person you have a greater chance of recognizing who they are.

Remember, this is the United States, not Rio. Girls who are prostitutes in the United States aren't arrested for 'consensual commercial sex' per se, they're usually arrested for possession of controlled substances, possession of drug paraphanalia, robbery, assaults, public intoxication, and sometimes capital murder (for the capital murder see Angel from Birmingham). These girls commit crimes to get their drugs or their money for their drugs. These crimes are sometimes committed against those of us who frequent them. Showing others here what a girl looks like helps them to possibly steer clear of them if they might recognize them. I, for one, don't need some pocket photo album to be able to remember what some girl I see on here looks like. And, honestly, the only reason I really need mug shots posted for my benefit is if someone here reports on a girl committing some crime against them, I could then ask if a mug shot I have is said girl, and therefore be able to keep away from her. Otherwise, the posting of mug shots are for others benefit here.

As far as personal information in photos, I know the full names of many of the girls who I have posted pics of in the past, and I have done image searches for those girls using their names, and no such pictures have came up for them from any site, LE or here. Using image search in Google yields no results of several girls who I know their names, and some of them are still incarcerated as we speak and their mug shots are sitting right there on the sheriff website. If I find no images of them, what other type software or image finder is someone going to use to find those pics that's going to get them any more embarrassed than going directly to the sheriff website itself. So because a mug shot is the presumed guilt of someone who might be innocent, this is greatly embarrassing, whereas finding a pic of the same girl buck naked or with some anonymous guy's semen across her face isn't embarrassing ? Who is supposed to be embarrassed, the girl in the photo or the person who might see the photo that knows them ? Most of these girls here in the United States have already been arrested and convicted numerous times for various crimes, and most of them are way beyond being embarrsssed.

Jackson, I see your point as to why you don't want mug shots posted. I just want you to see the points alot of us have been trying to make as to why they would help us out, and potentially keep us from being put in dangerous situations, just by seeing what a girl looks like. Read what Mister Quick said below as to how mug shots have helped him, and that is the very thing I've been trying to explain. A pic of a girls face is 100 times more helpful than someone saying 'tall, blonde, big boobs'. Please know I'm not trying to argue with you about this. I just can't tell if you're seeing the point we're trying to make. You comment on certain things but then when I feel I, or someone else, has made a good point that you might understand and see our view, you say nothing toward it. Remember, you control the rules on the board, and you don't have to have everybody agree with the rules for them to be followed. It's just like society, not everybody agrees with every law, but that doesn't mean those that want to live in that society doesn't follow those laws. It's the same here. I don't agree with the mug shots not being allowed, but I haven't posted one since I first discovered you didn't want them to be, and I won't until you say otherwise. All I'm trying to do now is get you to see our points of view- those of us who feel they're important to be posted. If you don't want them posted and aren't going to be swayed then so be it, just post a rule that you don't want them posted and lets all move on.

Shadow Fox
01-04-09, 02:57
Jackson, I see your point as to why you don't want mug shots posted. I just want you to see the points alot of us have been trying to make as to why they would help us out, and potentially keep us from being put in dangerous situations, just by seeing what a girl looks like. CK stated the facts and opinions that I completely share on this subject about as eloquently as possible. Bottom line, the board's for us to make sure we don't get hurt or killed, period. I'll just make a few quick comments, then I think I'm gonna go all quiet for a while.

My concern is safety. I do hydrographic survey stuff- basically I'm a scuba geek, who helps to map underwater caves and stuff. I get to travel sometimes.

My friends and I live on scuba message boards. We get information there that helps us to have fun, and ensure that we don't get killed. Things like hypoxia, and decompression sickness are important. If I don't prepare the right way, the first time on a dive, I could die.

Dive shops (and yes, some websites) are sometimes very territorial, and kind of biased. They will withhold information that could help you to prepare properly, and feel completely justified in their reasons for doing so. So, I do my homework, and try to get the best dive gear, and the best information from multiple sources. I get the same feeling on here, now. This is no longer one-stop window shopping. It can't be, if information-and by information I mean mugshots that help identify threats to my safety- is to be suppressed. I see no difference between an oxygen problem 65 feet underwater, and finding out that some woman you want to meet, will set you up for a robbery. You could end up dead in each scenario. You avoid both.

Everything here should be geared exactly as the main page states. This website is more referral-oriented than others, and the people on here have been outstanding. But I think it is also okay to shop and surf elsewhere, too. It's just a couple mouse-clicks, and keystrokes, and you have a whole new set of women to do research on, and other faves to choose from. I noticed some ladies are exclusive to some sites, and they shun others. But, if I have to pick elsewhere to feel safer, then I go elsewhere. The term, 'stay safe' doesn't have an asterisk by it, and an exclusion clause for mugshots.

I'm in Memphis, but I'll be in Tampa this month, to buy a ton of tech diving and other support gear. I want the best, and I'd like a good deal, but for quality I usually don't haggle. I just want a great time that I (maybe)can tell my friends about, in a private PM.

If I happen to think a nice, juicy, Florida Amazon booty call is in order, then again, I want the best, and well, you get the point. I take care of myself, and after getting completely spoiled in Canada, I expect top-drawer results for top-drawer effort. Mug shots tell me who to completely skip over. I don't want to play around in a hot tub, with someone who might leave a film in the water. Eww. I like clean.

That's a major rule with me. Seriously. I mean, being clean is right up there with, 'Don't drink Absolut vodka, and then f--k ugly women'.

If I want to contact someone, then I need the right information. Mug shots are a ton of information. If a provider gets tagged multiple times, it means to me that the person is either too stupid, or too far gone to learn from mistakes. Holding out on mugshots to save that person embarrassment, is like giving a penicillin shot to somebody with the ebola virus. What the hell good does it really do?

Orlando J
01-05-09, 22:38
===================================================

Greetings guys,

For the 10th fucking time, let me explain this.

It's appalling that LE uses their own websites to publicly humiliate girls arrested for victimless crimes such as consensual commercial sex, BUT...

I do not have to add to the embarrassment and humiliation of these girls by allowing this website, with it's strong search engine presence, to amplify their embarrassment and humiliation by greatly increasing the presence of their photos and their personal information on the Internet.

Get it?

Thanks,

Jackson
Jackson,
We understand you. There's nothing wrong in having a respectful disagreement and thanks for letting us express our views. If we assume that mug-shots add to the embarrassment and humiliation. Are mug-shots that important? Which is more important? Adding to embarrassment and/or humiliation of girls or the life of a member?
How could this end up killing a member?
- An HIV girl who works the streets.
- Pictures are worth 1000 words to id a girl who uses many names and she's in a gang of rip-off.
The life of a member overweighs any amplification of embarrassment or humiliation.

On the other hand, I do not even see additional embarrassment or humiliation.
For example; who is embrassed a girl who's cute but hermaphrodite (born with both equipments) picked up by a member? I believe may be both would be embarrassed. A mug-shot could save this embarrassment.

Mug-shots are public for everyone to use. I do not even think a good provider would mind posting her pictures. It was useful in bailing them out and straightening their lifes.

- Actually when many members used mug-shots I was wondering if Leo would stop posting mug-shots since they were very helpful. It was actually free publicity for good working girls. Also, straightened the life of some girls. The reverse effect might happen once LEo realize how they helped us.


Orlando J,

Posting full names, full address and personally identifying information is already prohibited, although part of the problem is that this personal information invariably seems to accompany the mug shots.

Thanks,

Jackson

Can we hold those embedded information? Yes, we can. For this we can change the picture properties before posting it.
This can be avoided if the picture properties were changed. Releasing embedded personal information can be avoided. One way to do this is to;
- select the picture
- right mouse click
- select properties
- change it's information.
I have not seen a picture that has locked embedded information. But for the extreme case, we can still alter those embedded information.
-You can use print-screen
-Go to paint and paste
-save the picture.
Some even tried to see the searchability by posting a mug-shot here and never gotten the any info. (Posted here some where)
Most of these girls that we want to attach their mug-shot are beyond embrassament. You can not kill someone who's dead. That's from the mouth of one of these girls.

The success of this forum is for many reasons; few to say "We all love it". We respect Jackson and his rules. If we see anything wrong we report it. To tell you the truth we (advocates of mug-shots) have not posted a mug-shot. On the other hand there are a lot of mug-shots posted all over.
I appologize if I have offended anyone. You guys have demonstrated the value of using Mug-shots. I would not have said better than what has been said?.
I have faith in Jackson and my wishes and hopes that he will leave it as it was. I have not posted a single mug-shot lately after I saw him deleting them. Though I saw many mug-shots posted lately. After all it's his forum and we respect him and his rules. Please with all respect Jackson accept our different view.
Thanks

Clark Kent
01-09-09, 11:12
Is this about posting the pictures of the members of this board who get arrested or of girls who get arrested? The question of the poll makes me think it if for members but the discussion seems to be about girls.

It was intended to be about whether members would want their own mug shots posted, but it was made to try to make us look at it from a standpoint of how the people whose mug shots were posted would feel if they saw them posted here. The discussion is about girls because the very point of the need to be allowed to post mug shots is missed, which makes the poll moot.

Orlando J
01-09-09, 22:03
Is this about posting the pictures of the members of this board who get arrested or of girls who get arrested? The question of the poll makes me think it if for members but the discussion seems to be about girls.
Here is the answer (The first report in this thread):

Greetings Everyone,

I was disappointed by the number forum members in the recent survey who believe that this forum should be used as a tool for LE in their efforts to publicly embarrass and humiliate people arrested for commercial sex activities.

I don't know if some of the survey participants derive some perverted pleasure in seeing photos what they perceive as "fallen" women, or if they simply don't understand that re-posting this information on this Forum, with it's strong search engine presence, will greatly increase the dissemination of this information throughout the Internet.

Personally, I don't buy the argument that booking photos somehow assist members in identifying the arrestees in subsequent encounters, but perhaps someone can explain how this is beneficial to them to the point of justifying publicly embarrassing and humiliating the girls.

Anyway, I've written a new survey which poses the question from a different perspective:

If YOU were arrested for a prostitution-related crime, would YOU want other members posting your name and booking photos in the Forum?
Reference:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=737352&postcount=1
The old survey
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=5568

Blue Crusher
02-07-09, 14:17
First I think there are members in here that want to look out over there own protection first and foremost from the rip off scams and from LE. Personnally I don't think we need to help LE by showing them pictures of girls that ripped us off. Especially when we ourselves want protection from LE.

As a newbie I have to wonder if just coming on to this site equals intent? Hopefully it doesn't because I am not actually contacting anyone for sex.

I think prostitution should be legal, and thats that. I think its sad that good members are getting sandwiched between rip off scams and LE then fighting each other! Let's try to share some good information but in doing that let's give each other the tools to do that with minimal risk.

Tampa Monger
04-17-09, 02:14
I strongly disagree with Jackson in this matter. However, because it's his forum, I'll always abide by his wishes (as long as I'm aware of them). In the past I've posted such information and Jackson removed it, thankfully without banning me.

I don't think we should post the real names of any arrestees. (Even though I've been guilty of this in the past. Won't happen again.) But I think it's extremely useful to post girls' "working" names along with a link to arrest information when it's available. Here's why. (1) It can provide you with a realistic image of what the girl looks like. (2) You can see what else she might have been arrested for. Assault. Heroin possession. Criminal transmission of HIV. I think it's very, very useful to know these things, particularly so I can avoid said working girls.

Arrest information about working girls has come in handy on several occasions for me, so I can say from experience that it absolutely IS useful information.

That said, I won't be posting any such information on this board ever again, because I know Jackson doesn't like it.

Hodar
04-20-09, 20:45
In some of my posts I have posted links to booking photos at the county jail posted in my local newspaper for women arrested for prostitution.
I realize now that this is wrong because if I were to be caught in this activity I would be humiliated.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
The posting of providers booking photos should not be allowed because it just perpetuates the societal based shame for sex.

Jax Fun
05-12-09, 07:45
No ABSOLUTELY NOT. There is no reason to degrade or try to degrade the girls nor the hobbyiests. Having to worry about LEO is enough without having to worry about our "brothers or sisters" posting our photos or information on the internet.

Hell On Wls
05-12-09, 11:35
Isn't that part of the thrill, the risks we all take?

I am for it but then again I am single and don't have to worry.

HH

Eddie Hawkins
05-13-09, 10:21
How long is this poll going to be up before a decision and a rule is going to be made and announced? It's been six months already, the poll hasn't closed, and there's no sign of a verdict either way by Jackson. Can we please have an answer so we can put this thing to bed?

Literally, the results of this poll are inconsequential. This is Jackson's site, so what he says goes. That has been my opinion from the beginning and it remains so. If Jackson doesn't want it done, it shouldn't be done, whether or not there is an actual rule set on it. But even though Jackson has made his position perfectly clear, he hasn't told people to stop or set a rule, so it continues. Because of that, and because new members will come, I think a rule needs to be set, and it's long past time to do it. Thanks.

Mr Boombastic
05-23-09, 13:59
I am against ever post the arrest picture of any person including SW's. If they are posted elsewhere, and then posted here, there is little argument to be made. Once on the net, it is on-the-net. You can't pull it back. Still, I know often I can use the information on the arrest of SW's along with her pick, and never the arrest pix of members. Keeping a low profile is very Key & Essential.

In my area of the world even posting SW's facial shot can bring on the heat of LE, since we have a very limited amount of decent SW's of anykind, in our mid-size, small minded city. Photos of SW's in Big Cities like LAX, ATL, CHI, NYC, DET, and TOO many more, make no difference. LE has better things to do than focus on a few pix of any SW, unless she committed some major felony.

So we need to have a set of standardized RULES, to avoid giving LE anymore help that we already have presently. I just don't think one set of rules will work across the board, but something will have to be done. Maybe each forum can add there own rules to the standard rules of the whole forum.

Just throwing out some ideas, opinions, and suggestions!

Wrelia
05-24-09, 01:03
Long time reader, first post. I just wanted to say Hi from Houston.

At first I came to do some research. Now I come back all the time to see what is new.

Thanks for building a great community.

KristinMother of 2 wonderful childrenDog-mom of 1

Richiboone
11-07-09, 13:37
Isn't that part of the thrill, the risks we all take?

I am for it but then again I am single and don't have to worry.

HH
But will you always be single? Will you never have to look for a job, run for public office?

Mr Dunkins69
11-10-09, 19:14
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the subject was not related to the purpose of this Thread, which is as follows:

Posting post names, addresses and photos of arrestees

FaceMan675
11-29-09, 15:57
You allow candid pics of SWs. That is potentialy outing their profession. I don't see the difference. Besides no potential employer or Spouse will be trolling these forums.

For the booking pics to be posted here they must have first been posted on a public ( Police/DA/Community Activist ) site. It's the public site that has the far greater potential for embarrassment.

Member #3974
12-09-09, 11:00
I, for one, would never post anything of this nature. Granted I am not into mongering as I once was, cause of finances. I have noticed over the course of the last couple years that when one person posts photos, or real names it opens the door for others as well. I would be appalled if my info was posted. Generally though, if mongers are careful and heed warnings from posts of other mongers they don't get put in a situation of anxiety. I understand though that most mongers post such things for one of two reasons. First reason is a vandetta thing against a provider, they got ripped off, or service sucked, something of that nature. Secondly they post just to keep other mongers aware of whats goin on around them. I would like to know if a SW was squeezed by LEO for info, and I would avoid her simply because afterwards she may be setting people up to save her own butt. This activity we all practice isn't what is should be, and never will. We all have to watch out for one another. I have actually met fellow mongers and if I heard of such things I would simply pm them to stay away from a provider who got popped. But I would never post info in a public place, for everyone to C. Just my opinion.

Happy hunting brothers

Flfcsr
12-24-09, 23:42
I would never post a picture of myself here, and if I posted a picture of an escort or SW it would never be without their permission and I would blur out their face, unless I knew for a complete fact they were OK with it, as is more often the case with escorts. As for booking photos - why? I'm generally against public humiliation for crimes as I've been led to believe the 8th amendment is supposed to protect us against that. Is that not an unusual, if not cruel, punishment? Anyway, I'm all for privacy!

Alecia
01-28-10, 15:44
I am against ever post the arrest picture of any person including SW's. If they are posted elsewhere, and then posted here, there is little argument to be made. Once on the net, it is on-the-net. You can't pull it back. Still, I know often I can use the information on the arrest of SW's along with her pick, and never the arrest pix of members. Keeping a low profile is very Key & Essential.

In my area of the world even posting SW's facial shot can bring on the heat of LE, since we have a very limited amount of decent SW's of anykind, in our mid-size, small minded city. Photos of SW's in Big Cities like LAX, ATL, CHI, NYC, DET, and TOO many more, make no difference. LE has better things to do than focus on a few pix of any SW, unless she committed some major felony.

So we need to have a set of standardized RULES, to avoid giving LE anymore help that we already have presently. I just don't think one set of rules will work across the board, but something will have to be done. Maybe each forum can add there own rules to the standard rules of the whole forum.

Just throwing out some ideas, opinions, and suggestions!Since johnny law could just as easily be reading the same forums we are reading, I suggest we ask the administrator to implement a vouch system. The providers who have been reviewed should be vouched automatically vouched depending on how many good reviews they have. One vouch per client to a provider per good review then after that the provider should in turn vouch the client. Each subsequent visit between provider and client should be provider's responsibility to vouch the client and vise versa. New unvouched clients can be vouched by seeing a provider who is fully vouched and vise versa. On indys you are fully vouched when you have 3 vouches. You can get more and should as vouches there expire after 1 year. We'll leave it up to the administrator how many vouches it will take to become fully vouched. But we definately need that and an alerts or warnings forum for no call no show clients and for providers who do that to clients. It can be separate or on the same form. A guys room and ladies room would be nice too and they should be vouched access only. Just a suggestion.

Clark Kent
01-29-10, 01:50
That 'vouch' system you're speaking of really doesn't have much to do with the issue on this thread, which was mug shots. This is more of a mongering website anyway, weighed heavily on the customer's side. Reading the comment, however, I'm reminded of the Allen Iverson 'practice' interview, lol.

Alvinc11
09-27-10, 20:08
I may be a newbie here but to me what you do and who you do it with is no one's business but yor own especially if you are not a serial killer.

Chamber
11-21-10, 20:23
I'm surprised anyone would say "yes" to LE reporting on here. Isn't it counter-productive to get rid of fellow board members who can vet potential situations?