View Full Version : Interesting Q from Fast Eddie...
Since alot of us mongerers are here, I wanted to post this question to all as it was given to us from a good friend from TER, " Fast Eddie51"
I was chatting with a PSE friend & we were discussing dating in the real world vs. seeing providers & we both came to the conclusion that heavy involvement in the hobby ruins dating "civilians".
She said that since starting escorting, her real dates have been pretty much disasters because her clients are thrilled to be with her, go out of their way to please her and will give her as much sex as she wants, whereas a date is generally more interested in his own pleasure & since he's not paying for it isn't always willing to do what it takes to give her as much sex as SHE may want.
My view is similar but from a different perspective... I'm a bald, overweight middle-aged guy... What chance do I have to find a "real" girlfriend who's drop-dead gorgeous and will swallow, take facials, beg me to fuck her ass & bring a variety of girlfriend home to share with me.
Even if i did find someone whose company I enjoyed I don't know that I could remain faithful to her - I've just gotten too used to a higher level of sexual expectations. l think this hobby has ruined me for normal relationships.
Anyone else feel the same?
Posted by HDlover
It's really funny that you would raise this question now Eddie. I just went on a normal date last week with a very sweet girl. After the date I asked myself that exact same question. Did I ruin myself for regular women because of the outrageous women I've been having sex with these last few years? Answer. I think I did! There was absolutely nothing wrong with this girl I went out with and a few years ago I would have been head over heals. But she's no pornstar! I also can't imagine not doing this anymore. I'm living the fantasy like many have mentioned in their responses. Unless I met a girl that was a smokin' hot closet pornstar or a complete sexual dynamo I wouldn't even consider giving up what we've got going here. BTW, I'm 36 years old and pretty average across the board. I've dated beautiful women that I've been very proud to walk into a room with and never cheated. So I know that I'm capable of being monogamous with the right woman. The problem is as time goes by my standards of what the right woman is is getting higher and higher because of the hobby and I'm just getting older and fatter LOL.
Posted by CarltonS
It's almost like the scene in "Analyze This" where Robert DeNiro's character tells Billy Crystal's character why he needs a girlfriend and a wife, where he says something like "my wife kisses the kids with that mouth. I'm not doing that with her! " Certain things you could rarely if ever request of a "civilian" girl (Greek, facials, etc.) that is easily expected within the escort world. Once again, Eddie hits the nail on the head.
Since alot of us mongerers are here, I wanted to post this question to all as it was given to us from a good friend from TER, " Fast Eddie51"
My view is similar but from a different perspective... I'm a bald, overweight middle-aged guy... What chance do I have to find a "real" girlfriend who's drop-dead gorgeous and will swallow, take facials, beg me to fuck her ass & bring a variety of girlfriend home to share with me.
Even if i did find someone whose company I enjoyed I don't know that I could remain faithful to her - I've just gotten too used to a higher level of sexual expectations. l think this hobby has ruined me for normal relationships.
Anyone else feel the same?I have a similar view.
I am middle age, not the young strappin, athlete, tight, paddler as I was in my youthful mongering. It was quite easier to "hookup" with a woman who was not a "professional"; as quoted, drop dead gorgeous, willing to BBBJCIM, beg me to bang her all the time, greek, russian, and screaming daty in the YOUNG days. LOL
What chances do I have today, quite minimal, plain joe, without flashing the black plastic or investment acct. Which I never do, why my friends get the hotter chicks and I usually get the leftovers.
Now, with my urges, settle the akua energy; get together with some of the hottest, the model who is a freak in the boudoir. Who loves sex just as much as I do (some put on good academy award performance, while others just love what they do) Be with that PS or GFE, or SHE or BDE, Katja Kissan to Leina to Alexia to Amberlynne. To each their own, IMHO, satisfaction guaranteed (oh yeah, not all the time, but the odds in my favor who I see).
What do you braddahs think
Enjoy
Jay Arah 88
10-17-08, 22:49
Since alot of us mongerers are here, I wanted to post this question to all as it was given to us from a good friend from TER, " Fast Eddie51"
I was chatting with a PSE friend & we were discussing dating in the real world vs. seeing providers & we both came to the conclusion that heavy involvement in the hobby ruins dating "civilians".
She said that since starting escorting, her real dates have been pretty much disasters because her clients are thrilled to be with her, go out of their way to please her and will give her as much sex as she wants, whereas a date is generally more interested in his own pleasure & since he's not paying for it isn't always willing to do what it takes to give her as much sex as SHE may want.
My view is similar but from a different perspective... I'm a bald, overweight middle-aged guy... What chance do I have to find a "real" girlfriend who's drop-dead gorgeous and will swallow, take facials, beg me to fuck her ass & bring a variety of girlfriend home to share with me.
Even if i did find someone whose company I enjoyed I don't know that I could remain faithful to her - I've just gotten too used to a higher level of sexual expectations. l think this hobby has ruined me for normal relationships.
Anyone else feel the same?I agree. My last "normal" relationship was doomed from the start because she always wanted to be with me.
There was no mystery and I felt suffocated. With the bar girls or MP girls there is always something going on and believe me I used to hate that shit, but then I started to get used to the drama.
So weird, I know. I totally understand the sex part too. With the BGs I've been with I just go for it with reckless abandon and they don't mind (99%)
My "normal" ex girlfriend took awhile to come around. It made me impatient. I guess I'm not used to regular courting anymore.
Since alot of us mongerers are here, I wanted to post this question to all as it was given to us from a good friend from TER, " Fast Eddie51"
I was chatting with a PSE friend & we were discussing dating in the real world vs. seeing providers & we both came to the conclusion that heavy involvement in the hobby ruins dating "civilians".
She said that since starting escorting, her real dates have been pretty much disasters because her clients are thrilled to be with her, go out of their way to please her and will give her as much sex as she wants, whereas a date is generally more interested in his own pleasure & since he's not paying for it isn't always willing to do what it takes to give her as much sex as SHE may want.
My view is similar but from a different perspective... I'm a bald, overweight middle-aged guy... What chance do I have to find a "real" girlfriend who's drop-dead gorgeous and will swallow, take facials, beg me to fuck her ass & bring a variety of girlfriend home to share with me.
Even if i did find someone whose company I enjoyed I don't know that I could remain faithful to her - I've just gotten too used to a higher level of sexual expectations. l think this hobby has ruined me for normal relationships.
Anyone else feel the same?
I think it's true also once you get used to having a variety of partners it's hard to go back to only having a single partner, hence we get spoiled.
Having said that however I don't think it's impossible for either the man or woman to still find a satisfying real relationship if that is really what they want or if they get to the point they want to settle down and have a family.
I know of many providers that have quit the business to do that.
Interesting discussion in this thread. Here are some of my thoughts. Being a dedicated hobbyist, both in Hawaii and internationally, has: (1) enabled me to sexually experience many more women than if I were only dating "normal" women for no financial compensation; (2) enabled me to be with types of women I would have little or no chance of dating "normally" without compensation, especially as I've become older; (3) enabled me to sexually enjoy many women almost as soon as I meet them; and (4) enabled me to have sexual experiences -- wild threesomes, for example -- that many "normal" women could be reluctant to provide. So it definitely has affected my behavior, because I'm just not willing to invest the amount of time and effort in "normal" dating and relationships that I would be if paid providers were unavailable. Being a hobbyist has also affected my behavior because I'm unwilling to be monogamous with any one particular woman. Such a wide variety of providers are so conveniently available to me as a hobbyist that remaining monogamous would be an extremely difficult task. I love the sense of adventure in being a hobbyist and exploring the unknown.
For me, being a hobbyist for the past year has enabled me to have a wide variety of sexual experiences without the harm that an affair might bring to my marriage.
I believe "not enough sex" was my main reason to get started, although there's clearly more to it than just the quantity.
Although my wife would almost certainly disagree, I believe that the hobby has been very positive for my marriage. I would not have had an affair. There have been many temptations along the way, and I have found it easy to resist (I'm defining "affair" as being sharing emotional intimacy with another woman, as opposed to physical intimacy with a touch of friendship, which is how I see the hobby). Still, I had become frustrated and irritable with the notion that having sex had become something of a duty for my wife. She simply doesn't want sex as often as me. That frustration was coming out in a variety of ways. I was becoming passive aggressive, I felt like a "dog", always lapping around her hoping she'd say yes (which of course had the opposite effect), and so on.
One year in to the hobby, and we're both happier (though she may not be if her conscious mind knew about my hobby). I get a variety of sexual experiences with women who generally seem sweet and harmless, and who I don't believe I'm hurting (despite stereotypes). I make love to my wife on a frequency that is much more in tune with her needs. And I'm not frustrated.
I know this is not quite the answer to the question posed by the original poster, which referred more to being ruined for future relationships. Still, as a married hobbyist, I may be in the majority (of hobbyists), and would be interested to know whether others have seen these kinds of benefits in their own marriages.
Gherkin
I guess I was spoiled by the hobby. A few years back while I was dating and hobbying at the same time, I couldn't perform with the girl. Maybe I was spoiled by girls who were beautiful, sexy and willing to do anything. While my gf was plain and normal. By plain and normal I mean that she wasn't all glam and wild. She was very cute but shy. (Unfortunately her friends now tell me she's quite a nympho...)
Now that I haven't been hobbying for a while, it's back to the way I was before. Not expecting PSE with every visit. Dating has become a thrill and mystery at the same time. I know I'm not making sense, but it makes sense to me.
Bottom line: hobbying made regular girls dull and unappealing. Now very thing is peachy
PopoloGirl
10-19-08, 03:49
Although my wife would almost certainly disagree, I believe that the hobby has been very positive for my marriage. I would not have had an affair. There have been many temptations along the way, and I have found it easy to resist (I'm defining "affair" as being sharing emotional intimacy with another woman, as opposed to physical intimacy with a touch of friendship, which is how I see the hobby).
There is an old saying about the profession... "you dont pay us to stay, you pay us to leave"
even when you have the best, LTR with an escort, at the end of the day those of us (girls AND guys) who refrain from the disillusion of it growing beyond that keep this enjoyable... on both ends. Your wives (if you are married) are indeed happy. You are in a better mood. Your "GF" waits for you to call. We love and cater to our regulars like a bf, however we dont have the jealousy issues some of our girlfriends who are not in the business have.
its a win-win.
There are not many animals in the animal kingdom who are monogomous... and king solomon had many wives:) Maybe the world has the wrong idea, and we have found the remedy....
smooches
ps
I hope you dont mind me commenting, I know this was directed at the guys
but I am here, reading the posts... learning your likes, your dislikes... your fantasies and desires. I think its making me a better provider. ((another win-win))
Tyrone Biggins
10-19-08, 06:58
Although my wife would almost certainly disagree, I believe that the hobby has been very positive for my marriage. I would not have had an affair. There have been many temptations along the way, and I have found it easy to resist (I'm defining "affair" as being sharing emotional intimacy with another woman, as opposed to physical intimacy with a touch of friendship, which is how I see the hobby). Still, I had become frustrated and irritable with the notion that having sex had become something of a duty for my wife. She simply doesn't want sex as often as me. That frustration was coming out in a variety of ways. I was becoming passive aggressive, I felt like a "dog", always lapping around her hoping she'd say yes (which of course had the opposite effect), and so on.
One year in to the hobby, and we're both happier (though she may not be if her conscious mind knew about my hobby). I get a variety of sexual experiences with women who generally seem sweet and harmless, and who I don't believe I'm hurting (despite stereotypes). I make love to my wife on a frequency that is much more in tune with her needs. And I'm not frustrated.
I know this is not quite the answer to the question posed by the original poster, which referred more to being ruined for future relationships. Still, as a married hobbyist, I may be in the majority (of hobbyists), and would be interested to know whether others have seen these kinds of benefits in their own marriages.
Gherkin
I can certainly agree with your opinion on the hobby and having a wife who doesn't 'provide' as you (and many other men, including myself) would like her to.
I've been married before and all I can say is that once the ring went on the finger, ALL I got to experience thereafter was the DFE. There were a lot of "I'm tired", "Tomorrow, I promise", "Why do you want to do it now?" Blah blah etc, bullsh*t excuses. After pleading like a mutt locked outside the house, she'd finally give in and I was able to bust a nut, however not to the expectations that I truly wanted nor the prior experiences I've had with her. That drove me off the wall and after she left (yes, she left me) I went buck wild! The hobby does provide some sort of sexual remedy for myself, even if I have to pay for it. And when I don't have the money, I just pick up dumb J-girls walking around Waikiki or Ala Moana. Another sure thing (most of the time).
Interesting discussion in this thread. Here are some of my thoughts. Being a dedicated hobbyist, both in Hawaii and internationally, has: (1) enabled me to sexually experience many more women than if I were only dating "normal" women for no financial compensation; (2) enabled me to be with types of women I would have little or no chance of dating "normally" without compensation, especially as I've become older; (3) enabled me to sexually enjoy many women almost as soon as I meet them; and (4) enabled me to have sexual experiences -- wild threesomes, for example -- that many "normal" women could be reluctant to provide. So it definitely has affected my behavior, because I'm just not willing to invest the amount of time and effort in "normal" dating and relationships that I would be if paid providers were unavailable. Being a hobbyist has also affected my behavior because I'm unwilling to be monogamous with any one particular woman. Such a wide variety of providers are so conveniently available to me as a hobbyist that remaining monogamous would be an extremely difficult task. I love the sense of adventure in being a hobbyist and exploring the unknown.Eloquently put it, B I N G O
Where would one experience partners on a normal circumstance unless you are Magic Johnson or Wilt the Stilt.
GREAT comments Kapa, and you hit it right on the nose.
There is an old saying about the profession... "you dont pay us to stay, you pay us to leave"
even when you have the best, LTR with an escort, at the end of the day those of us (girls AND guys) who refrain from the disillusion of it growing beyond that keep this enjoyable... on both ends. Your wives (if you are married) are indeed happy. You are in a better mood. Your "GF" waits for you to call. We love and cater to our regulars like a bf, however we dont have the jealousy issues some of our girlfriends who are not in the business have.
its a win-win.
There are not many animals in the animal kingdom who are monogomous... and king solomon had many wives:) Maybe the world has the wrong idea, and we have found the remedy....
smooches
ps
I hope you dont mind me commenting, I know this was directed at the guys
but I am here, reading the posts... learning your likes, your dislikes... your fantasies and desires. I think its making me a better provider. ((another win-win))P Girl has great wisdom and comments to add, and we are all open minded, and willing to listen, learn, and experience, or why be here or do what we do.
I remember at one time, when I was in my 30s, a friend(who also mongered like me) said, if you could become a gigolo, would you?
That answer was easy for me, I said yes. I love sex, + it did help since I am a trained massuer(dont practice too much like b4) BUT it did break the ice with many a girls I dated to get their clothes off.
No jealousy ferver, unless you seeing a BG and she wants you to herself(of course for your sugar daddy assistance)
I know of a few providers who enjoy meeting different walks of life(domestically and internationally), and enjoy what they do(been told this by my Fav in Taiwan & SanFran.
As P Girl has indicated, monger, enjoy each others company physically and some mentally, and after a nice LFK or DFK(if we are lucky) both parties happy and go about their merrily way.
This is why I posted the Q, to get different views.
Thanks P Girl, cant wait to see you too
StripedFashion
10-19-08, 18:08
Someone once told me that smoking crack puts your body into a full orgasm. The high is so grand and addictive, there's no turning back. Though no desire to kiss the glass bride, I think it's the same way with the hobby. Sex as you see it will never be the same ever again.
As for me and the women of this industry, it's for sure warped my perception of love. Nowadays I find it almost laughable to talk about a real GF. I've dated local Asians and J-Girls (like me, mostly Mongoloid) in the past but thanks to the hobby, I can now explore a variety of wahine. The Caucasoid species are my current favorite. I’ve found most of the sno-bunny stereotypes true and can see why the “Girls Gone Wild” franchise is so successful. Then again, truth has it that Negroids are supposedly the best. *Eyes Crissy* I honestly wouldn't know.
This may sound blasphemous; but I'm into foreplay and bringing a woman down nice and slow after she climaxes, more so than actual penetration. Ha! The wrong place to be for a romantic. Course there’s nothing like bangin’ a really hot chick from behind, as she digs her nails into the bedsheets and barks at the moon. Personally I think it’s all about getting each other stimulated, wet and into the mood. Mainly why I see GFE providers.
Back to being warped. Well, on my breaks from the hobby (AKA broke from the hobby) I’ve tried to mingle back in the world the of “civilian” femme. In all honesty I've never considered myself fit nor handsome, though I still get my fair share of stares and smiles from women. A good fashion sense helps but the way you present yourself is key. Sometimes I think it’s because they smell the sex on my person. Thing is, when I finally do Hook Up, I always find a way to Fuck Up. Diagnosis: StripedFashion is a creep! Having sex with pros has turned your boy impatient and a little too straightforward when interacting with our opposites. Or maybe I'm trying too hard, a breaking of character if you will.
Getting sucked into this lifestyle has lead me to believe that even the “high maintenance b's” have a price tag. That L-O-V-E is only a mouse click and phone call away. It would be nice to have unpretentious intercourse, HELL cuddle for free once again. But for now, I think I’m having way too much fun to think that far ahead. The sad truth.
Still trying to find a way to turn off that switch.
StripedFashion
Someone once told me that smoking crack puts your body into a full orgasm. The high is so grand and addictive, there's no turning back. Though no desire to kiss the glass bride, I think it's the same way with the hobby. Sex as you see it, will never be the same ever again.
*Eyes Crissy*
This may sound blasphemous; but I am into foreplay and bringing a woman down nice and slow after she climaxes, more so than actual penetration. Course there’s nothing like bangin’ a really hot chick from behind, as she digs her nails into the bedsheets and barks at the moon. Personally I think it’s all about getting her stimulated, wet and into the mood. Mainly why I see GFE providers.
Getting sucked into this lifestyle has lead me to believe that even the "high maintenance b's" have a price tag. That L-O-V-E is only a mouse click and phone call away. It would be nice to have unpretentious intercourse, HELL cuddle for free once again. But for now, I think I’m having way too much fun to think that far ahead. The sad truth.
StripedFashionWhy I posted this question, many views, different but yet similar.
As I have said earlier, to each their own. I think when I was married and I know someone has said it earlier (brotha Tyrone) while I was married, yeah the sex was great, almost every night like 2 teenage jackrabbits, but as the marriage went on, not tonight, go through the motions, straight up boring.
Even though this might sound blah blah blah, I am never one to skip out and find the first female to share her "Aloha".
Then I got my first taste of the mongering life, finished a conference/general world mtg. In San Fran. , horney as hell, and was not about to do the K9 mambo with some of my cohorts from other parts of the continental US. So, saw an ad in a handout, one call, told them what I wanted to see, and then she walking in. 5-8, model looks, all tight, looked like a cross between Selena & Tamlyn Tomita (Karate Kid 2 & the Joy Luck Club-one of my Fav movies, wonder why eh braddah SF), only paid for hour, but she stayed for 2 non rushed time, paid her a good tip, and I was hooked!
While my marriage lasted 21yrs. (before I left b/c I was tired of being in debt (spoiled wife& thinking I was an walking ATM)
NO REGRETS.
Yeah, no BS, at times I do miss the cuddling and chatting to wee hours of the morning after a 5 round ground and pound.
Not boasting or preaching (but I know it will sound like it). I do well, investments and rental property (thanks to Miki K & angela) to leave for my kids when I am gone. And in the mean time, business is pretty good even with the crappy economy, time to tighten, reevaluate, and move on.
Not a looker, even been told that a few times (even my x-wife has said it also, LOL, she said would have married my bro if she met him 1st, he got the looks, I got the brains & was the athlete). Truthful story, happened back in March when I went out on a date with a Gyno (yeah, funny eh). She kept blabbing Punahou & Stanford grad, dated maybe 3-4times, told me I don't think this will work (how you think holmes, LOL, + did not make an aggressive move to her, well not yet)Told me I was a too plain, country jack simple, LOL. Her friend said she is a bit High maintenance. Go figure, with her designer clothes, LV bags, and the full 9s. I had a party at my condo (across the St. From AM Beach Park), good friends, and guess who showed. Yeppers, the Gyno (common friends). Thoughts how could I? If she only knew, later that evening she pulled me on the side, told me my place was beautiful, and to give her a call so we can go out? Ah, do I smell a change the mind, hookup for the bank acct. , LOLOL. Haha, mom never raise a dumbass, but again, she warned me about my ex wife. Long story short, never did call her, she left a few msgs. On my cell, but never returned them, common friend told me she wants to go out again, but I said that train has left the station.
So, why I partake, NSA, I know what I want, and just like a buffet, sometimes I like eat japanese, and sometimes go local, depends on the mood.
And as Braddah SF said, I also like to bring the woman to a full on O(slow simmer, like a nice oxtail soup), bring her down slow after, until she pretty much begs for the G&P, we can tease just as much as they do, but it does take some will power and being a pain in the ass (no pun intended).
Enjoy gang, you never know when?
K
Guys,
I have recently read all the reports on this thread and yes, different views but the same answer. I am sure as the reason why all are on ISG or USAG is to find and share information about providers. Thusly, all answers are going to be the same, only the rationale will be different. But first, let me provide some background information as I am newly posting on USAG.
Married my high school sweetheart at 21, she Hawaiian/Filipino from Campbell, Hula dancer at one of the shows, very hot, been together since 18, lasted 5 yrs due to US Army deploying me constantly. Over the next 10 yrs or so I dated constantly, one GF after another, I was never alone. I never dated more than one girl at a time though.
My current is 24yo Haole girl from mainland, lives in my house in Waipahu while my job stationed me in Korea. Now, for being in Korea, providers are pretty expensive, but most can be had for $. However, I have taken advantage of location and mongered in P. I. , BKK, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Tokyo. Extensive use of ISG has helped. Frequently, I returned to the Rock to visit the GF and check on things, and even when I did I still sought out providers DT. I remember one night after finishing with my GF, I was still horny and went and got CBJ from a SW DT. This was about 4am I think.
I was wondering why I would be out at 4am fucking SW when I had just finished with my GF hours earlier. I think the word is excitement. It is not that fucking my GF is not satisfying; however, there seems to be some absence of wildness.
In Korea, I have dated several civilian girls, spent money on dates, movies, dinner, events, etc. But in the end, you are not always guaranteed sex, and even when you do get it, it might not be that good. The same could be said for providers (you win some, you lose some), but generally you know they at least know about sex and what it takes to get a man off. And like Popolo girl says, they are paid to leave.
Last civilian I dated txt me 3 times before I got home the last time I had mediocre sex with her. Last provider I had was gone within 30 minutes, leaving me to enjoy my dinner and a good cigar after fucking my brains out with Oscar winning performance by her. The bill ($$$) for both dates was the same. (Dinner, plus movies, plus coffee and ice cream after and hotel for the civilian) Way better sex with the provider, it did not take all fucking day to get laid, and I didn’t have to deal with her relationship bullshit for the next three weeks.
I guess in conclusion I would sum it up this way: I am still young enough to date regular girls, but old enough to not want to deal with relationship issues. I like to fuck hard and intense, and some regular girls can’t handle that. I view the money for both "dates" as the same. Whether its dinner and a movie, or in the girls pocket, pussy costs money. I would rather just have the sex I like, and then have the rest of the evening free to watch football. I think that is really the best deal.
Take care and aloha,
Carmex
Its a lot of things to all of us (Excitement, Reliability, Good Sex, The thrill of the hunt, Satisfying the bi-weekly "Vulcan" itch (Star Trek reference), Satisfying fantacies, Need for flavor or spice, Something different). Look at the movie stars and sports stars (Hugh Grant, ARod, etc), who have drop- dead gorgeous wives and who wander to some ugly chick that rocks their world (the hamburger craving vs. A filet mignon diet).
Why do we do it? Is it boredom, middle age, depression, ego, sexual addiction, needs un-met, revenge on our SO (who uses sex as a weapon or a tool in the relationship), a need or search for love and caring? Men don't really care about the outlining reasons for our "wants". We feel the need and we seek to satisfy that craving. With simple answers.
How can mongering hurt? Your "wants" are above normal (BJ, DATY, Greek, FIV, etc) and may be viewed by some as abnormal or sick. Your performance or knowledge of how to please her is above average and may be "too good".
I know enough to make women pee during the O of 4P and given the opportunity can leave her shaking and sensitive. The first question asked after the fantastic love making is "where did you learn to do that? ". How would you answer? No matter. They instantly believe that you sleep around a lot and start wondering where you go (SW, KB, AMP, MT). They question your bar hopping nights, bowling night, softball night, dart league night, your visit to the MT, overtime at work, lunches, unanswered calls, etc. My relationships don't last more than 4 months. Most women, after hearing the rumors, will run away.
Overall, though. I've have to say that I'm pretty happy. Haven't found that one person, but not fearful of that. My clock ticks to the beat I set for it (fast or slow). Only God can take away the control of my life. And I will live my life with no regrets and no excuses.
TX
[QUOTE=Carmex]Guys,
I have recently read all the reports on this thread and yes, different views but the same answer.
Modelsearch10
01-19-09, 00:01
Guys,
I view the money for both "dates" as the same. Whether its dinner and a movie, or in the girls pocket, pussy costs money. I would rather just have the sex I like, and then have the rest of the evening free to watch football. I think that is really the best deal.
Take care and aloha,
CarmexHis (Carmex) whole post is so funny, but the quote I selected sums up pretty much how I feel when it comes to mongoring. Its easier to just pay for it and get your fuck on instead of going through the relationship BS. In the end as we all know pussy costs money. At least this way we get what we want, normally the service is better and there is NO drama associated with it. In the end I have had the pleasure of actually getting to "date" some of the girls I have seen. Most were either in Dallas, Guam and Korea so my mongoring has actually lead to great NSA action that didnt have to be paid for by great providers that enjoyed my fucking of them as much as I enjoyed fucking them. Mongoring has and is keeping me in the relationship that I currently have because we as men can only take the excuses to NOT have sex so much before we go somewhere else to get it.
All great and valid points of their taste, always fun to learn.
I will add Back in the day when you could actually drive Hotel St. , yupps
Went with some friends (older of course, me being the naive young'n) Cause some ruckus DT, then hit Hubba Hubba, and a few others I can't remember the name right now (xcept for Silver Fox rt. Next to HH).
Ended up with LSW for. 5, all on the menu, went to her place on the Ala Wai, quaint, did not smell bad. Tore that nani up and then some, and after that I was sold. that was back in the 70s
Got into it big time while traveling on business to SF, that was a mind opening experience. I think we all have memories of those types of experiences and continually search for it again, drug maybe?
Yeah, I had a decent job for someone in HS, and luckily was given a car my aunty was not driving anymore.
Learned the cruising areas of DT, Waiks, sometimes Kapahulus, and when the ships are in, even Pearl Gates.
Why, I guess it might be an addiction?
I love the hunt, the adventure, finding that diamond in the rough. And many a time, while digging for that diamond, you get mud and dungbeatles.
I have been married young, kids that I love dearly.
I did the FWB, side actions, bar one nighters (sometimes was nutz when they call you to see you again-hence never give you digits, unless you are willing to gat a TRO), hookups when I was a bartender at one of the most busiest clubs (that since closed, sorry to see it knocked to the ground for a condo project, alot of memories and album pictures "YUPPS I still got them"), and of course the time working at a couple of hotels/hooking up with the J-Girls.
Been accused of cheating, seeing multiple girls at one time, yadda yadda yadda. How you learned that? You never did do that with me before? The crazinest.
I think a few of us has a few tricks up our sleeves with the providers we see, that at times we might not even try with our SOs. Am I right or wrong, as Talon X has so eloquently put it, we all have out apetites, and sometimes our SOs 50/50 might, might not. So it can leave a yearning for more? The freaky deaky? We all have it in us, just in different doses.
It sometimes help with our relationships (noted I said sometimes), helps that urge you get to get full on G&P. Like Popolo Girl has indicated (and I must say, she is my top 5 EVER! PERIOD) you monger, they provide, when done both go their merrily way after the service.
Kapa, SF, G, and P Girl all put it so well, spice of variety, the search goes on for the ultimate, is it the generation we are in now? Especially with the intergalactic highway, you can do your research/homework, relay your TOFFT or that special someone(ex;Popolo Girl, Jade T, Lei, Mimi of LAX, only fr. my exp. YMMV IMHO) always always a pleasure. Unless the provider sucks "NO PUN intended, better to take care of your needs, then look over and see your SO, but imagine you are with Popolo Girl. Just my 411, Popolo G is HIGH QUALITY, at times I dont know who is enjoying it more, hehe.
I have had long conversations with a couple of ladies (great friends I have seen over the years), they like it to. It provides them with a living, they get taken cared of also (if you know what to do and make her toes curl). Both happy, go home, with a smile.
Why I monger, like I said, I live life period. Not everyone will agree, but no regrets, never ever, learn from the past to experience the present for what tomorrow promises.
Aloha,
K
I love the hunt, the adventure, finding that diamond in the rough. And many a time, while digging for that diamond, you get mud and dungbeatles.
That is a classic quote. Funny and true. :)
Interesting discussion in this thread. Here are some of my thoughts. Being a dedicated hobbyist, both in Hawaii and internationally, has: (1) enabled me to sexually experience many more women than if I were only dating "normal" women for no financial compensation; (2) enabled me to be with types of women I would have little or no chance of dating "normally" without compensation, especially as I've become older; (3) enabled me to sexually enjoy many women almost as soon as I meet them; and (4) enabled me to have sexual experiences -- wild threesomes, for example -- that many "normal" women could be reluctant to provide. So it definitely has affected my behavior, because I'm just not willing to invest the amount of time and effort in "normal" dating and relationships that I would be if paid providers were unavailable. Being a hobbyist has also affected my behavior because I'm unwilling to be monogamous with any one particular woman. Such a wide variety of providers are so conveniently available to me as a hobbyist that remaining monogamous would be an extremely difficult task. I love the sense of adventure in being a hobbyist and exploring the unknown.Recently I've seen new occurrences of "RIP Kapalua" in hostess bars. Just lately while having drinks, I have been pondering his profound intellect and the above post, among others, came to mind. I never got the impression he would be into "wild threesomes" (#4, above), I suppose only because I perceived him to be very conservative.
Anyway, while browsing around the mall yesterday I took note of all the happy couples, young and old, I saw around me and realized that my behavior has been "affected" as well. It dawned on me that after so many years of mongering, my views parallel his and at that moment an intense emptiness came over me.
Like many of you, I would have loved to have met him personally and hung-out even for a short while.
As the holidays approach, I wish everyone happiness and safety (in light of the increased violence in non-strip bars).
H M
Hawaiian Nono
11-13-11, 06:40
Recently I've seen new occurrences of "RIP Kapalua" in hostess bars. Just lately while having drinks, I have been pondering his profound intellect and the above post, among others, came to mind. I never got the impression he would be into "wild threesomes" (#4, above) , I suppose only because I perceived him to be very conservative.
Anyway, while browsing around the mall yesterday I took note of all the happy couples, young and old, I saw around me and realized that my behavior has been "affected" as well. It dawned on me that after so many years of mongering, my views parallel his and at that moment an intense emptiness came over me.
Like many of you, I would have loved to have met him personally and hung-out even for a short while.
As the holidays approach, I wish everyone happiness and safety (in light of the increased violence in non-strip bars).
H MPrior to Kapalua disapperance I was working one of his favorites that became my favorites. She end up giving me her phone. I think we crossed paths in a establishment but never meet. The quote that you picked up is more profound if you read it and understand where he is coming from and going to.
Darkman808
11-20-11, 14:42
All great and valid points of their taste, always fun to learn.
I will add Back in the day when you could actually drive Hotel St. , yupps.
Went with some friends (older of course, me being the naive young'and) Cause some ruckus DT, then hit Hubba Hubba, and a few others I can't remember the name right now (xcept for Silver Fox rt. Next to HH).
I have had long conversations with a couple of ladies (great friends I have seen over the years) , they like it to. It provides them with a living, they get taken cared of also (if you know what to do and make her toes curl). Both happy, go home, with a smile.
Why I monger, like I said, I live life period. Not everyone will agree, but no regrets, never ever, learn from the past to experience the present for what tomorrow promises.
Aloha,
KWow, lotta heavy stuff here, all of which I know all too well and agree with.
One more fine point on the whole issue. When your woman has jealousy issues and prevents you from even speaking to other women, for ANY reason, it makes everything in your relationship even worse. I've experienced situations where I have to deal with a woman at work or even in a social situation where my girl is included, everything really legit; and she still would freak out! That used to really piss me off.
The result is, I feel like I have had no opportunity to even 'speak' to other girls, get to know them, have them as friends, and thus the actual result is now I do just want to sneak off and fuck them behind your girls back. Her behavior towards me actual created a situation in our relationship, where there wasn't one before! Chicks don't get it! I haven't had a female friend for many, many years. I used to have several and back in those days, I looked at women and thought about them completely differently than I do now.
I believe men and women should both be allowed to have friends of the opposite sex regardless of your relationship status. For your mate to prevent that from happening will damage your relationship forever. I'm absolutely certain 'men' will agree with me and there is ample evidence all around us. When I was in my 20's, I had a "friend" who was female. We both worked on a boat off Waikiki together. We were great friends for several years. Check this out, she was part Dutch-part Thai. She had long legs up to her neck, the biggest set of natural titties I've ever seen, long blondish hair and a flawless caramel colored tanned body on the beach. Flawless skin. The sweetest friendliest person I knew, not in the least bit stuck up. A very feminine girl who was entirely comfortable talking about sex with me. Even told me on numerous occasions when she was horny. But we never crossed the line with each other. But I thought about it all the time.
Years later she would marry and we are still friends to this day. Now, that is a healthy relationship between a man and a woman. I know for a fact that if we ever fucked, it would have changed things forever.
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Very hot!
Bench Warmer
12-18-11, 09:59
I threw up a few RIP Kapalua in a couple AMPs back when he disappeared. Too bad. I didn't meet him in person but we PMd each other quite a bit and traded lots on stories.
Why I posted this question, many views, different but yet similar.
As I have said earlier, to each their own. I think when I was married and I know someone has said it earlier (brotha Tyrone) while I was married, yeah the sex was great, almost every night like 2 teenage jackrabbits, but as the marriage went on, not tonight, go through the motions, straight up boring.
Even though this might sound blah blah blah, I am never one to skip out and find the first female to share her "Aloha".
Then I got my first taste of the mongering life, finished a conference/general world mtg. In San Fran. , horney as hell, and was not about to do the K9 mambo with some of my cohorts from other parts of the continental US. So, saw an ad in a handout, one call, told them what I wanted to see, and then she walking in. 5-8, model looks, all tight, looked like a cross between Selena & Tamlyn Tomita (Karate Kid 2 & the Joy Luck Club-one of my Fav movies, wonder why eh braddah SF), only paid for hour, but she stayed for 2 non rushed time, paid her a good tip, and I was hooked!
While my marriage lasted 21yrs. (before I left b/c I was tired of being in debt (spoiled wife& thinking I was an walking ATM)
NO REGRETS.
Yeah, no BS, at times I do miss the cuddling and chatting to wee hours of the morning after a 5 round ground and pound.
Not boasting or preaching (but I know it will sound like it). I do well, investments and rental property (thanks to Miki K & angela) to leave for my kids when I am gone. And in the mean time, business is pretty good even with the crappy economy, time to tighten, reevaluate, and move on.
Not a looker, even been told that a few times (even my x-wife has said it also, LOL, she said would have married my bro if she met him 1st, he got the looks, I got the brains & was the athlete). Truthful story, happened back in March when I went out on a date with a Gyno (yeah, funny eh). She kept blabbing Punahou & Stanford grad, dated maybe 3-4times, told me I don't think this will work (how you think holmes, LOL, + did not make an aggressive move to her, well not yet)Told me I was a too plain, country jack simple, LOL. Her friend said she is a bit High maintenance. Go figure, with her designer clothes, LV bags, and the full 9s. I had a party at my condo (across the St. From AM Beach Park), good friends, and guess who showed. Yeppers, the Gyno (common friends). Thoughts how could I? If she only knew, later that evening she pulled me on the side, told me my place was beautiful, and to give her a call so we can go out? Ah, do I smell a change the mind, hookup for the bank acct. , LOLOL. Haha, mom never raise a dumbass, but again, she warned me about my ex wife. Long story short, never did call her, she left a few msgs. On my cell, but never returned them, common friend told me she wants to go out again, but I said that train has left the station.
So, why I partake, NSA, I know what I want, and just like a buffet, sometimes I like eat japanese, and sometimes go local, depends on the mood.
And as Braddah SF said, I also like to bring the woman to a full on O(slow simmer, like a nice oxtail soup), bring her down slow after, until she pretty much begs for the G&P, we can tease just as much as they do, but it does take some will power and being a pain in the ass (no pun intended).
Enjoy gang, you never know when?
KGot to give Makana mayjah props. You the man. One time I was with a provider who mentioned USA forum and we talked for awhile. She said when she's written up biz picks up. Then her eyes got big & she said out of the blue, "I'd love to get a positive review from Makana! I bet biz would pop!
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