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Honolulu Chas
09-02-08, 19:30
at the suggestion of cleanman, i'm starting this thread for the sharing of information pertaining to stds, law enforcement, and the security and quality of individual establishments. as always, let's try to keep the thread lean and informative. we already know there are two types of mongers when it comes to stds: those who are willing to take their chances, and those who want to avoid them at all costs. so lets keep the std posts restricted to empirical information and skip the philosophical stuff. the same with le...i think we all agree that our men in blue could be spending their time and our tax dollars more efficiently by going after the crackheads, but for the time being they will be doing the occasional busts, usually for a good reason (immigration, ****, drugs) and not to deprive us of a good time. so, again, objective info about the latest bust, or a suspicious situation, is always helpful; complaining about something we can't change just takes up space. i thank you all in advance for your co-operation!
Brother Chas,
Thank you for starting the thread. You mention two types of mongers, I am the kind of Monger that will not take chances and would like to see my fellow mongers practice safe sex as well and at all times. It's olny good for all of us since our Hobby involves us making sexual contact with the same pool of providers. If we identify any provider that may be infected we should alert others using this forum. I also understand we don't want false accusations or rumors flying around or start a panic. But we should be on the look out for BAD providers that would risk our health for her small financial gain (small relative to our health). Some more experianced Mongers may even have some tips for keeping our sholongs safe from bugs. (like always wear a cover, always)
I know that some Mongers don't want to hear about this subject as it's not a fun topic to discuss, in fact it's a downer subject and we don't even want to think about it. But that's part of the problem that no one wants to discuss it.
We need to protect our selfs, no one else will and keep each other informed. I intend to contiue my Hobby, and I want to stay safe and clean doing it.
IMHO.
Safe Mongering,
Cleranman
If we identify any provider that may be infected we should alert others using this forum.
There is an old streetwalker (maybe in her forties or fifties) named Linda who works downtown, usually on or in the vicinity of North Kukui Street. She is haole, has blond hair (possibly dyed), has many years of experience as a streetwalker, and often looks tired and glum. Three other streetwalkers, who have previously been reliable sources of information, recently (and independently of each other) said that she has a serious communicable disease. Although I don't know this as a proven fact, downtown hobbyists may want to take it into consideration -- and, at the least, make sure to always use a condom if being serviced by that provider.
So lets keep the STD posts restricted to empirical information and skip the philosophical stuff.
I am the kind of Monger that will not take chances and would like to see my fellow mongers practice safe sex as well and at all times. It's olny good for all of us since our Hobby involves us making sexual contact with the same pool of providers...
Some more experianced Mongers may even have some tips for keeping our sholongs safe from bugs. (like always wear a cover, always) ...
I know that some Mongers don't want to hear about this subject as it's not a fun topic to discuss, in fact it's a downer subject and we don't even want to think about it. But that's part of the problem that no one wants to discuss it...
We need to protect our selfs...
You asked him to start the thread. He did. He asked to keep your philosophical ideologies on safe sex OFF this thread and to keep it lean and mean and to the point about specific providers and AMPs. You broke the rule on post #2.
Dude, we've been through this countless times. You ain't gonna change anybody. If you wanna swim in the pool, you gotta expect to share the pool with whomever is in there already.
Poke Heradick
09-04-08, 00:35
Not sure of any of your experiences but just to let you know that the state is required to keep data on things like Gonnorhea and Chlamydia. So if you test positive you will be contacted. And then asked to confirm who you got it from and report who else might have been infected f rom yourself. Not a fun due process. Got the Gon from some street worker in Chinatown. Just recieved orally too BBJ but it was many yrs ago. I tried to give an anonymous run around and they wanted to send somebody out for me to drive around to point the person out. Felt criminal to deny but eventually I got off with out having to admit to the kinds of girls I was letting suck on me just to get a few rocks out. Good luck! Don't play that way with "hired" help anymore. Occassionally will recieve BBBJ from online fwb. Thats it!
My 2 cents, based on a lot of research when I started mongering about a year ago:
AIDS: Easy to avoid by wearing a condom during vaginal sex. Debatable whether it is easily passed at all from woman to man even by uncovered vaginal sex. Everyone seems to agree it is easily passable by anal sex, and that condoms break more frequently with anal so the risk is still there even when covered. Everyone seems to agree that there is either no chance or almost no chance of catching it via giving or receiving oral sex, even uncovered. Ditto for DFK. It is possible to catch it those ways, in theory, but there are no credible cases of it. Carefree mongers can do whatever they want. Careful mongers should avoid anal, and likely cover during vaginal. Oral seems safe from AIDS, even uncovered.
Hepatitis A/B/C. A/B are easily prevented with a series of shots. Since it is easily prevented, even carefree mongers should get them. C doesn't seem to be much of a problem as a STD.
Bacterial infections (Gonorrhea, Syphilis, etc.): catchable, but easily curable with a single dose of azithromycin (zithromax). Some married mongers (including myself) take a pre-exposure dose of zithromax, which is easily tolerated by the body in almost everyone's case. You must educate yourself on this drug, since there are some reasons not to take it (if you're taking other drugs, etc.). But since these bacterial infections are so easily treated, it seems no big deal to catch them, although avoidance is better. LK and DFK don't seem to be much of a risk. Oral has some higher risk, but still very low. The fear is that we could monger, then pass it along to spouses - very embarrassing. The prophylactic zithromax avoids this problem easily. Of course, if you monger weekly or more frequently, you'd always be on it, which is not good. Its half life is about 3 days, so if you take 4 pills on day 1, you need 2 more on day 4 to bring you up to full strength. This is particularly good for those who monger overseas for a couple weeks at a time, then come home.
Herpes. 2 kinds - 1 (usually oral) and 2 (usually genital). Both can be oral or genital though. Most of us already have 1. 25% already have 2. Vast majority have no symptoms whatsoever. Difficult to catch 2 from receiving oral sex, but easier to catch it from giving oral sex. No effective vaccine yet. No cure, but it can be controlled with anti-retroviral drugs for the rest of your life. In my humble opinion, Herpes 2 remains the single largest threat to mongers, since everything else can be avoided or cured.
I'm sure I've forgotten, but there's a quick regurgitation of my memory of what I've learned.
Gherkin
Neko Hunta
09-04-08, 04:25
I've read all the repost on how fellow monger try to stay safe. Those were mostly at a AMP. Bringing your own "supplies" is a great idea. What about a black light? Is this too extreme? Got a few handheld battery operated, fits in your pocket deal. Most of them under 8 bucks. They all say they change to "clean" sheets and towels but do we really know? When they leave you in the room alone, time to check! What about the back rooms in the bars? I know of a guy that after he dropped his pants and sat in the room developed a nasty sore on his ass the size of a golfball. He said the doctor kinda knew how he got it from and what happened. We can laugh about it now but he was shitting for a while. Try black light the room. Spooky. I for one have sprayed a few walls in a few bars. I never wiped it neither did she. I don't think they disinfect the rooms, or do they? What you bros think?
Latas
Neko
Tyrone Biggins
09-04-08, 05:46
Not sure of any of your experiences but just to let you know that the state is required to keep data on things like Gonnorhea and Chlamydia. So if you test positive you will be contacted. And then asked to confirm who you got it from and report who else might have been infected f rom yourself. Not a fun due process. Got the Gon from some street worker in Chinatown. Just recieved orally too BBJ but it was many yrs ago. I tried to give an anonymous run around and they wanted to send somebody out for me to drive around to point the person out. Felt criminal to deny but eventually I got off with out having to admit to the kinds of girls I was letting suck on me just to get a few rocks out. Good luck! Don't play that way with "hired" help anymore. Occassionally will recieve BBBJ from online fwb. Thats it!
Yikes!
A very interesting report. Indeed, it does not sound fun at all. So far I've been lucky with my BB*action*. Although I see myself being more on the conservative side nowadays. Mostly because I HATE the Q-tip in the P-hole tests when I need to do the "check/regret test" following such activities. =/
My 2 cents, based on a lot of research when I started mongering about a year ago:
AIDS: Easy to avoid by wearing a condom during vaginal sex. Debatable whether it is easily passed at all from woman to man even by uncovered vaginal sex. Everyone seems to agree it is easily passable by anal sex, and that condoms break more frequently with anal so the risk is still there even when covered. Everyone seems to agree that there is either no chance or almost no chance of catching it via giving or receiving oral sex, even uncovered. Ditto for DFK. It is possible to catch it those ways, in theory, but there are no credible cases of it. Carefree mongers can do whatever they want. Careful mongers should avoid anal, and likely cover during vaginal. Oral seems safe from AIDS, even uncovered.
Hepatitis A/B/C. A/B are easily prevented with a series of shots. Since it is easily prevented, even carefree mongers should get them. C doesn't seem to be much of a problem as a STD.
Bacterial infections (Gonorrhea, Syphilis, etc.): catchable, but easily curable with a single dose of azithromycin (zithromax). Some married mongers (including myself) take a pre-exposure dose of zithromax, which is easily tolerated by the body in almost everyone's case. You must educate yourself on this drug, since there are some reasons not to take it (if you're taking other drugs, etc.). But since these bacterial infections are so easily treated, it seems no big deal to catch them, although avoidance is better. LK and DFK don't seem to be much of a risk. Oral has some higher risk, but still very low. The fear is that we could monger, then pass it along to spouses - very embarrassing. The prophylactic zithromax avoids this problem easily. Of course, if you monger weekly or more frequently, you'd always be on it, which is not good. Its half life is about 3 days, so if you take 4 pills on day 1, you need 2 more on day 4 to bring you up to full strength. This is particularly good for those who monger overseas for a couple weeks at a time, then come home.
Herpes. 2 kinds - 1 (usually oral) and 2 (usually genital). Both can be oral or genital though. Most of us already have 1. 25% already have 2. Vast majority have no symptoms whatsoever. Difficult to catch 2 from receiving oral sex, but easier to catch it from giving oral sex. No effective vaccine yet. No cure, but it can be controlled with anti-retroviral drugs for the rest of your life. In my humble opinion, Herpes 2 remains the single largest threat to mongers, since everything else can be avoided or cured.
I'm sure I've forgotten, but there's a quick regurgitation of my memory of what I've learned.
GherkinHowsit newbie to the forums, but not to the scene, Gherkin, how would a person get zithro without a perscription? It's not like you can go the your dr and say yo, need some, I thought it was perscript only? BTW all great stuff in this forum, what a tool for us mongers!
Mahaloz
Last time I was on the mainland, I had an anonymous comprehensive STD panel done at www.tstd.org -- no Q-tips involved. Just pee into the container, and give them some blood. 3 days later, results available online. I think it was about $250. They needed a name to send to the lab, but they said to invent one. The lab, which was just an ordinary diagnostic lab, wasn't interested in checking ID at all - very anonymous. Results are obtained on the web via a tracking number that you get when you sign up. They required that I phoned in before getting access to the web site, just so they could read me some sort of disclaimer. Once again, anonymous other than the tracking number (I used a payphone). I paid with a visa giftcard that I bought for cash at Target.
Gherkin
Yikes!
A very interesting report. Indeed, it does not sound fun at all. So far I've been lucky with my BB*action*. Although I see myself being more on the conservative side nowadays. Mostly because I HATE the Q-tip in the P-hole tests when I need to do the "check/regret test" following such activities. =/
You asked him to start the thread. He did. He asked to keep your philosophical ideologies on safe sex OFF this thread and to keep it lean and mean and to the point about specific providers and AMPs. You broke the rule on post #2.
Dude, we've been through this countless times. You ain't gonna change anybody. If you wanna swim in the pool, you gotta expect to share the pool with whomever is in there already.I asked for a senior member to start the thread since I can't.
You know I was going to thank Chas on a PM for starting the string but posted instead. Maybe should have sent PM and not have posted. Oh well, Fuck it, I did, so what. I am not a philosopher so excuse me if I sounded like one to you. Don't assume I am on a mission to convert all mongers to wear condoms or make them feel bad or what ever, I am not. I do want to learn any tricks on staying safe (from STD's, LE, etc) for myself, so any ideas for safe mongering is all good to me. I thought others would be intrested in this too, hence the request to start the thread.
I asked for a senior member to start the thread since I can't.
You know I was going to thank Chas on a PM for starting the string but posted instead. Maybe should have sent PM and not have posted. Oh well, Fuck it, I did, so what. I am not a philosopher so excuse me if I sounded like one to you. Don't assume I am on a mission to convert all mongers to wear condoms or make them feel bad or what ever, I am not. I do want to learn any tricks on staying safe (from STD's, LE, etc) for myself, so any ideas for safe mongering is all good to me. I thought others would be intrested in this too, hence the request to start the thread. I think Hypo Luxa was referring to this comment:
[I] would like to see my fellow mongers practice safe sex as well and at all times. I think if you had simply stated that you wanted us to avoid catching STIs that would have been a different story. Because as far as I know, that is true.
Virtua Stick
09-05-08, 09:34
My 2 cents, based on a lot of research when I started mongering about a year ago:
AIDS: Easy to avoid by wearing a condom during vaginal sex. Debatable whether it is easily passed at all from woman to man even by uncovered vaginal sex. Everyone seems to agree it is easily passable by anal sex, and that condoms break more frequently with anal so the risk is still there even when covered. Everyone seems to agree that there is either no chance or almost no chance of catching it via giving or receiving oral sex, even uncovered. Ditto for DFK. It is possible to catch it those ways, in theory, but there are no credible cases of it. Carefree mongers can do whatever they want. Careful mongers should avoid anal, and likely cover during vaginal. Oral seems safe from AIDS, even uncovered. Agree. However, condoms slipping or there were reports on using oil based lubes which compromise the integrity of the condom which may cause a problem. Any sores (eg. See herpes below) in the mouth or breaks in the skin + body fluids can also increase risks of HIV. Oral sex therefore is NOT completely safe. A report in the past indicated that he brings a flashlight for "inspection. " Funny but eh, he's being "safe. "
[/QUOTE]Hepatitis A/B/C. A/B are easily prevented with a series of shots. Since it is easily prevented, even carefree mongers should get them. C doesn't seem to be much of a problem as a STD. [/QUOTE]Hep A usually does not kill you nor does it stay in your system. You get sick. Sometimes very sick, then it passes. Hep B can be prevented. Most younger people have gotten the immunization. If unsure, ask your doc and blood tests can be done to check. If not immunized, GET IT. Most folks who get hep B can clear it but not everyone does. Hep C is one of the fastest growing liver diseases in the country. However, it is kind of like HIV in that you need a break in the skin or a sore in the mouth. Typical sex will not (likely) get you hep C. However, hep C will also kill you and treatments are not pretty (no guarantee for a cure). [/QUOTE]Bacterial infections (Gonorrhea, Syphilis, etc.): catchable, but easily curable with a single dose of azithromycin (zithromax). Some married mongers (including myself) take a pre-exposure dose of zithromax, which is easily tolerated by the body in almost everyone's case. You must educate yourself on this drug, since there are some reasons not to take it (if you're taking other drugs, etc.). But since these bacterial infections are so easily treated, it seems no big deal to catch them, although avoidance is better. LK and DFK don't seem to be much of a risk. Oral has some higher risk, but still very low. The fear is that we could monger, then pass it along to spouses. Very embarrassing. The prophylactic zithromax avoids this problem easily. Of course, if you monger weekly or more frequently, you'd always be on it, which is not good. Its half life is about 3 days, so if you take 4 pills on day 1, you need 2 more on day 4 to bring you up to full strength. This is particularly good for those who monger overseas for a couple weeks at a time, then come home. [/QUOTE]Zithromax is considered a second line drug for STDs like gonorrhea. It used to be that pills like Cipro, Ofloxacin etc. Were used here in Hawaii. Now there are resistant strains. Zithro also needs to be taken in a 2gram dose. It can also cause a lot of abdominal cramping as well as diarrhea when taken at this dose. I am not certain about Gherkin, but potentially he may be undertreating for gonorrhea. 1gram for chlamydia. I do not believe syphilis can be cured with Zithro. Usu treatment is penicillin only I think. Don't think that Zithro is a wonder drug.
[/QUOTE]Herpes. 2 kinds. 1 (usually oral) and 2 (usually genital). Both can be oral or genital though. Most of us already have 1. 25% already have 2. Vast majority have no symptoms whatsoever. Difficult to catch 2 from receiving oral sex, but easier to catch it from giving oral sex. No effective vaccine yet. No cure, but it can be controlled with anti-retroviral drugs for the rest of your life. In my humble opinion, Herpes 2 remains the single largest threat to mongers, since everything else can be avoided or cured.
I'm sure I've forgotten, but there's a quick regurgitation of my memory of what I've learned.
Gherkin[/QUOTE]I worry about herps as well as genital warts which really cannot be cured. Treated yes, but not cured. The pics on the internet are ugly.
All that being said, I'm still out there. I cover 100% but still get checked regularly. BB or not, the best thing to do is to get checked regularly as you can have an STD potentially without any clear symptoms.
Stay safe out there!
VS
Tacoman808
09-05-08, 13:08
Last time I was on the mainland, I had an anonymous comprehensive STD panel done at www.tstd.org -- no Q-tips involved. Just pee into the container, and give them some blood. 3 days later, results available online. I think it was about $250. They needed a name to send to the lab, but they said to invent one. The lab, which was just an ordinary diagnostic lab, wasn't interested in checking ID at all - very anonymous. Results are obtained on the web via a tracking number that you get when you sign up. They required that I phoned in before getting access to the web site, just so they could read me some sort of disclaimer. Once again, anonymous other than the tracking number (I used a payphone). I paid with a visa giftcard that I bought for cash at Target.
GherkinWow no q-tips; that's awesome!
You asked him to start the thread. He did. He asked to keep your philosophical ideologies on safe sex OFF this thread and to keep it lean and mean and to the point about specific providers and AMPs. You broke the rule on post #2.
Dude, we've been through this countless times. You ain't gonna change anybody. If you wanna swim in the pool, you gotta expect to share the pool with whomever is in there already.
+1..................
One thing about transmission of HIV via BB oral, covered or not: Like many other transmission vectors, this is one that is "possible in theory". What the research says, however, is that it is not seen in practice. Given that BB and/or covered oral among the civilian and massagerati populations is very common, it should show up in the research if it happens in practice.
When they say it is "possible in theory", what they mean is that if there's blood and if it isn't killed by saliva and if it finds its way through a sore in your mouth, and if and if and if, then you could catch HIV. That's all true. It just doesn't seem to happen in practice.
For comparison, if you ride your bike without a helmet, you can crash and die. Compared to catching HIV from BB oral sex, dying from riding a bike without a helmet is a much more frequent occurrence. There are recorded instances of that happening. There don't seem to be credible recorded instances of people catching HIV from oral sex except where there are very obvious wounds. Needless to say, all mongers should avoid such situations.
In the sf redbook site, I read a comment from one brother who said he "inspects" the vagina before licking, by putting in his finger and testing for smoothness. Non-smooth = don't DATY. I've not done anything similar myself, but it was food for thought.
Note: I'm not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express (with a take-out girl) last night :)
Gherkin
Back when C. Everett Koop was the surgeon general, I watched an interview where he said realistically, the only truly risky way to become infected with AIDS from sexual activity is for a woman to receive an infected male ejaculation vaginally. He really dismissed almost every other scenario as being extremely unlikely... such as BBFS for the male, BB oral sex for either gender, etc. He did say that anal sex could be risky if conditions were met, such as both parties having open sores or abrasions and mixing blood.
But, the moral majority used it as a scare tactic to preach abstinence, which is why a "blanket" policy regarding any sexual act was promoted as risky. They made sure to say that covered sex was not AIDS-proof. Abstinance was touted as the only way to not catch AIDS (perhaps technically true, but it was over-preached).
Remember when Joycelyn Elders was s.g.? She came out and said that masturbation should be considered a form of a safe sex alternative. She was pressured to resign (or fired) by the conservative legislature for not towing the moral majority line of abstinence. Shows you how fucked up our government can be when health vs. politics meet.
Some mongers mentioned bringing their own condoms and supplies, "the good kind". I've had rubbers break on me long time ago (not with a provider), now I only use condoms when I monger. But the provider brings the condom and I assume they are good.
What is the best brand of Condom to use that won't break under the pressure?
Member #3973
09-06-08, 23:38
Just wanted to mentioned that you also are at risk for NGU (Non-Gonococcal Urethritis), an infection of the urethra caused by germs other than gonorrhea:
* Chlamydia trachomatis (most common)
* Ureaplasma urealyticum
* Haemophilus vaginaliso
* Mycoplasma genitalium
and others. Usually treated with a single 1g dose of azithromycin.
Actually happened to me once after going BBFS with provider at CHM.
Other than that I've been lucky, but almost always use cover,
To limit chances of catching something, I usually use Listerine, obviously for oral rinse after daty but also on the penis. Not really sure if it helps.
Finally remember that the diamondhead center provides free testing and treatment for STDs. I get tested once a year.
Stay safe!
What is the best brand of Condom to use that won't break under the pressure?And what about the lube and how it interacts with the condom. I've smelled baby oil in the bottles next to the "bed" and wondered about it weakening the condom. Almost all AMP girls I've seen (or can 'remember' seeing) pulled out thier own personal lube from their purse/makeup bag that they keep the condoms and cash in.
Would a AMP provider allow you to bring the good kind of lube too?
Bartender808
09-07-08, 17:02
Just wanted to mentioned that you also are at risk for NGU (Non-Gonococcal Urethritis), an infection of the urethra caused by germs other than gonorrhea:
* Chlamydia trachomatis (most common)
* Ureaplasma urealyticum
* Haemophilus vaginaliso
* Mycoplasma genitalium
and others. Usually treated with a single 1g dose of azithromycin.
Actually happened to me once after going BBFS with provider at CHM.
Other than that I've been lucky, but almost always use cover,
To limit chances of catching something, I usually use Listerine, obviously for oral rinse after daty but also on the penis. Not really sure if it helps.
Finally remember that the diamondhead center provides free testing and treatment for STDs. I get tested once a year.
Stay safe!Listerine is the strongest antiseptic over the counter. I've heard of it for awhile now. After sex wether covered or not, wash up and wipe after with listerine. May burn a little but at least safe. Tell her it helps her breathe. LOL. Just joking on that.
O‘ahu HIV/STD Testing Site
(Free, Anonymous, or Confidential by medical record)
Diamond Head Health Center
STD/HIV Clinic
3627 Kilauea Ave. Room 305
Honolulu, HI 96816
Ph: (808) 733-9280
Walk-In, First Come-First Serve basis
Monday, Tuesday, Thursday & Friday 12:00pm – 5:00pm
Wednesday 1:00pm – 6:00pm
I called DHHC to find out how it works, they say it is compleatly anonymous but need to show a picture id, so not so anonymous. They said they don't give the test results to anyone but the person tested as it is confidential. She was also very encourging for me to come down to test. She said no one will know. When i asked what happens if test is positive does the dept of health get involved (like I read on earlier post) she said no, i said, so i can take my test results and go see any doctor of my choice after testing for treatment, she paused a moment and said, i would need to talk to a health nurse about that...so maybe big brother only watches you if test is positive?
I can not find the same type of anonymous std test services in Honolulu that brother Gherkin mentioned, i did see it on line but only in mainland cities just not here yet. Other type anonymous std testing service labs exist too (look on internet search std testing), but again none in Hawaii. There are also std home test kits availiable on line. Prices run from about $50.00 to $400.00 depending on type of test and number of tests ordered.
Anyone heard of anonymous std testing services in Honolulu? Some lab company (like DLS) should start one here.
I ended up using tstd because I couldn't find anything here on the island. Interestingly, when I phoned tstd, they said they "temporarily" didn't have anyone to send me to locally, but expected to do so "at some point in the future". So may be worth another call since a few months have passed.
Gherkin
I can not find the same type of anonymous std test services in Honolulu that brother Gherkin mentioned, i did see it on line but only in mainland cities just not here yet. Other type anonymous std testing service labs exist too (look on internet search std testing), but again none in Hawaii. There are also std home test kits availiable on line. Prices run from about $50.00 to $400.00 depending on type of test and number of tests ordered.
Anyone heard of anonymous std testing services in Honolulu? Some lab company (like DLS) should start one here.
Tacoman808
09-11-08, 13:01
Went down there once a long time ago (paranoid ex.) All I know is you get tested (that Q-tip is going where!??!?) and you call into an automated phone system (giving a pass code) to get your results when they're ready. I forget whether I showed ID or not it's been years so maybe things changed.
O‘ahu HIV/STD Testing Site
(Free, Anonymous, or Confidential by medical record)
Diamond Head Health Center
STD/HIV Clinic
3627 Kilauea Ave. Room 305
Honolulu, HI 96816
Ph: (808) 733-9280
Walk-In, First Come-First Serve basis
Monday, Tuesday, Thursday & Friday 12:00pm – 5:00pm
Wednesday 1:00pm – 6:00pm
I called DHHC to find out how it works, they say it is compleatly anonymous but need to show a picture id, so not so anonymous. They said they don't give the test results to anyone but the person tested as it is confidential. She was also very encourging for me to come down to test. She said no one will know. When i asked what happens if test is positive does the dept of health get involved (like I read on earlier post) she said no, i said, so i can take my test results and go see any doctor of my choice after testing for treatment, she paused a moment and said, i would need to talk to a health nurse about that...so maybe big brother only watches you if test is positive?
I can not find the same type of anonymous std test services in Honolulu that brother Gherkin mentioned, i did see it on line but only in mainland cities just not here yet. Other type anonymous std testing service labs exist too (look on internet search std testing), but again none in Hawaii. There are also std home test kits availiable on line. Prices run from about $50.00 to $400.00 depending on type of test and number of tests ordered.
Anyone heard of anonymous std testing services in Honolulu? Some lab company (like DLS) should start one here.
Good one Gherkin, I'll call tStd and post the results of what they tell me.
Cleanman
I ended up using tstd because I couldn't find anything here on the island. Interestingly, when I phoned tstd, they said they "temporarily" didn't have anyone to send me to locally, but expected to do so "at some point in the future". So may be worth another call since a few months have passed.
Gherkin
Member #3973
09-11-08, 23:14
The test is free and so is treatment. It is not anonymous since you have to provide an ID, but it is confidential.
You can call to get the results of the HIV test and for the gonorrhea/chlamydia tests. If you are infected, you are expected to go back, but I have been lucky sofar except for the NGU, which they treated during my initial visit.
At least some of our tax dollars are used wisely :-)
I get tested there every year, and yes, that Q-tip probe is very painful.
A few posts farther down in this thread debate causes of STDs. The chart in the following URL (from the San Francisco Clinic) seems to lay it down pretty well.
http://sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp
The recent messages of a forum member who said he was infected with both genital herpes and HPV (which caused genital warts) present an interesting question. Both genital herpes and HPV can potentially be transmitted to a sexual partner even if a condom is used and even during times when there are no visible symptoms. Thus, I'm sure that we would all agree that a provider infected with genital herpes and/or HPV should inform a customer that she is infected, so that the customer can decide whether or not to take the risk.
However, what are the views of the forum membership on whether a customer has a duty to inform a provider that he's infected with genital herpes and/or HPV, even when there are no visible symptoms, so that the provider can decide whether or not to take the risk? Of course, doing so may make it much more difficult for the customer to find a provider willing to service him. On the other hand, it could seem hypocritical to maintain that a provider should have a duty to warn a customer, but a customer doesn't have a duty to warn a provider. What say you?
The recent messages of a forum member who said he was infected with both genital herpes and HPV (which caused genital warts) present an interesting question. Both genital herpes and HPV can potentially be transmitted to a sexual partner even if a condom is used and even during times when there are no visible symptoms. Thus, I'm sure that we would all agree that a provider infected with genital herpes and/or HPV should inform a customer that she is infected, so that the customer can decide whether or not to take the risk.
However, what are the views of the forum membership on whether a customer has a duty to inform a provider that he's infected with genital herpes and/or HPV, even when there are no visible symptoms, so that the provider can decide whether or not to take the risk? Of course, doing so may make it much more difficult for the customer to find a provider willing to service him. On the other hand, it could seem hypocritical to maintain that a provider should have a duty to warn a customer, but a customer doesn't have a duty to warn a provider. What say you?I very much agree, but in the past I would have thought other wise.
I very much agree, but in the past I would have thought other wise.Problem is if everyone finds out no one or less customers, and once they got it they don't care they can't get it again. they already got it for life!
My attitude toward this is that when visiting a provider, a hobbyist must assume that neither she nor her previous customers will disclose whatever diseases she may currently carry.
Fortunately, as is the case with virtually all common diseases, STDs are either not that dangerous or else easy to avoid catching. This is why we can do what we do without ruining our health, and why providers generally are in good health too (at least massage/escort providers are -- I don't know anything about street providers).
Most of us will never catch anything. A few of us will become infected with curable bacterial infections (and if we have spouses, we'd better take steps to ensure we don't). Some will catch incurable but gentle or treatable viral infections (Herpes, HPV, etc.). Extremely occasionally, largely through carelessness or negligence, one of us will catch something dangerous such as HIV. There's no excuse for catching anything that you can be vaccinated against such as Hepatitis A/B, but some will neglect that and will catch it.
Your quote mentioned HSV (Herpes) and HPV (Warts). My understanding is that the vast majority of those who have these viral diseases don't know they have it, and either have no symptoms or have symptoms that they never manage to associate with any sort of disease. For example, many people with HSV just have an occasional pimple or "cold sore" (even if it's oral HSV-2). This is so "normal" in our society that many never even consider that they are sick.
I'm not sure this really answers the question, but here's something to think about. Almost all of we Americans (about 50% by age 2 and more than 90% by age 50) are infected with the Herpes Simplex I Virus (HSV-1), often called "oral Herpes". 90% of those infected cannot identify their own symptoms, and so are unaware that they have it. It is not considered an STD because it is passed by normal social contact such as kissing a child goodnight, as well as by sexual contact. If you're reading this post, you probably have it, and have probably had it since you were a child, before sex. In my own case, my STD testing included all the usual suspects, and also a test for HSV-1 and HSV-2. I have HSV-1 (as the vast majority of Americans do), but nothing else.
Let me answer the question like this. I don't report my HSV-1 infection to any providers I kiss, because it seems silly to do so. I also don't report it to my wife (no idea if she has it), kids (they likely got it from some relative or other), or friends at parties who I greet with a peck on the cheek.
For HSV-2 (which I don't have), I would likely not report it, for the following reason. In tests of mismatched couples (one has HSV-2, the other doesn't) who have regular sex (but not during an outbreak), transmission over the course of 1 year occurs in about 4% of the cases. However, if transmission hasn't occurred in the first couple of years, that percentage rapidly decreases -- the body builds up some sort of immunity. After about 5 years, it's unlikely to be received. So, those of us who have been doing this for more than a few years and yet haven't caught it are unlikely to catch it at all. Similarly, any provider who doesn't already have it is unlikely to get it unless she's very new to sex. About 22% of Adult Americans have HSV-2, and I believe the percentage of providers who have it is quite a bit higher. I believe anyone with HSV-2 who is having an outbreak should not engage in sex, whether customer or provider. I *always* check a provider for signs of HSV-2, and avoid contact if I find any. I also avoid those with cold sores, since HSV-2 can be transmitted orally if there is an open wound (incredibly rare to transmit HSV-2 orally if there is no open wound).
I know of other brothers who use the "finger test" (FIV) to test for smoothness before plunging in, checking for warts. I don't know how reliable this is though. By the way, HPV is also responsible for finger/foot warts, though slightly different varieties. So it's fairly common. Females can be vaccinated against it these days, I believe. For men, the warts are treatable, as are other kinds of warts.
So in summary, I don't think there's much reporting of HSV or HPV going on, and I don't expect to be told anything about them by a provider. I do check for HSV myself, and though that's not foolproof, it seems like enough safety to me. I don't think that managed HSV-2 needs to be disclosed, and I don't expect that it would be disclosed even if it did need to be.
I do think that any serious disease such as HIV should be disclosed. However, I also don't expect that it will be, and I take actions to render HIV a non-threat to me (my rule is: condom while FS, no anal at all).
Thanks for the great question. As usual, I've provided a long, wordy answer :(
Gherkin
The recent messages of a forum member who said he was infected with both genital herpes and HPV (which caused genital warts) present an interesting question. Both genital herpes and HPV can potentially be transmitted to a sexual partner even if a condom is used and even during times when there are no visible symptoms. Thus, I'm sure that we would all agree that a provider infected with genital herpes and/or HPV should inform a customer that she is infected, so that the customer can decide whether or not to take the risk.
However, what are the views of the forum membership on whether a customer has a duty to inform a provider that he's infected with genital herpes and/or HPV, even when there are no visible symptoms, so that the provider can decide whether or not to take the risk? Of course, doing so may make it much more difficult for the customer to find a provider willing to service him. On the other hand, it could seem hypocritical to maintain that a provider should have a duty to warn a customer, but a customer doesn't have a duty to warn a provider. What say you?
I take actions to render HIV a non-threat to me (my rule is: condom while FS, no anal at all).
Thanks for the great question. As usual, I've provided a long, wordy answer :(
GherkinMore great information as usual Gherkin.
Thanks
Lost In Hawaii
09-24-08, 12:40
The test is free and so is treatment. It is not anonymous since you have to provide an ID, but it is confidential.
You can call to get the results of the HIV test and for the gonorrhea/chlamydia tests. If you are infected, you are expected to go back, but I have been lucky sofar except for the NGU, which they treated during my initial visit.
At least some of our tax dollars are used wisely :-)
I get tested there every year, and yes, that Q-tip probe is very painful.Like any doctor or clinic visit ID is always required. But yes HIV testing is confidential and is considered protected records. Not just anyone can get there hands on these as long as the facilty is following the HIPA law. If I remember right the only way for someone to obtaing these protected records are through court orders.
Very good statement Member#3973
The test is free and so is treatment. It is not anonymous since you have to provide an ID, but it is confidential.
You can call to get the results of the HIV test and for the gonorrhea/chlamydia tests. If you are infected, you are expected to go back, but I have been lucky sofar except for the NGU, which they treated during my initial visit.
At least some of our tax dollars are used wisely :-)
I get tested there every year, and yes, that Q-tip probe is very painful.I agree that Q-tip is nuts man. And they jam it in there like what feels like 3 inches deep or so, but in reality its just past the tip....ugh.
Does anyone know of anywhere in Hawaii that offers the more modern methods of STD testing? Peeing in the cup and swab to the cheek, etc?
I agree that Q-tip is nuts man.
I'll never take that test again.
Never.
With all that has been said/debated/posted here on this board and all other safe mongering practices assumed (what ever that means to you):
Would you lessen your odds to 0, or very near 0 for this discussion, chance of contracting an STD if you keep to only having sex with a small hand full (1-9) of young (mid 20's) AMP and escort providers (less time in business, less chances of contracting std)?
Would you lessen your odds to 0 chance of contracting an STD if you only had sex with younger higher priced ($$$$. and up) escorts (they cost more thus they have less customers per day, more customers with higher incomes, therefore lessen their chances of contracting std)?
Member #3973
10-01-08, 23:57
Would you lessen your odds to 0, or very near 0 for this discussion, chance of contracting an STD if you keep to only having sex with a small hand full (1-9) of young (mid 20's) AMP and escort providers (less time in business, less chances of contracting std)?
Would you lessen your odds to 0 chance of contracting an STD if you only had sex with younger higher priced ($$$$. and up) escorts (they cost more thus they have less customers per day, more customers with higher incomes, therefore lessen their chances of contracting std)?
Hard to tell. The best way to avoid exposure is to always use condoms and avoid providers that give BBFS. BBBJ is not risk free either, so to limit the odd further only accept CBJ. If, in addition the provider is young, educated and expensive, you have probably limiedt your risk as much as possible
Small number of women doesn't help. Each time you mix your fluids with hers (or in the case of Herpes, just having your thin-skinned areas touch hers), you expose yourself to risk.
So, can you expose yourself to "less infected than average" women by limiting the number of women? Not as long as those women are seeing customers by the thousands per year.
Can you help yourself by choosing young women over old ones? It is true that the longer you (or she) keeps up risky behaviors, the more likely you (or her) is likely to be infected with something that doesn't go away, such as HIV or Herpes. So, in that respect, younger is better than older. However, bearing in mind that many professional women see more than 1000 men per year, and many offer BB (whether they do to you or not, they do to some others), I don't think that age is a hugely important factor.
I believe you can lower your risk in the following ways.
See pro women less often - obviously this lowers your infection risk. If you abstain, it goes to zero.
See only women who appear to take care of themselves - don't see drug addicts, women who can't even keep their apartment/room tidy, women who don't seem to eat properly or make themselves look pretty. Why? Because these things are signs that they may not take care of themselves. However, if you only see nice healthy-looking clean women, they (and therefore you) may still be infected with something. I believe that women who try to take care of themselves are more likely to get STD tests, but those who don't will skip them. Getting the tests is important because in many cases its the only way to find out you have something, and get yourself on a course of antibiotics or anti-retrovirals.
I believe it still comes down to this: Herpes is something you'll either catch or not, and if you do covered/uncovered FS, there's really not much you can do to prevent it. If you only do BJ/HJ, your chances of catching it are extremely low. If you do DATY, you may catch HSV2 orally, but it will almost certainly never bother you again after the first outbreak. You'll also be protected genitally after that happens, once a few weeks have passed.
HIV is easy to avoid by using a condom and avoiding anal sex. Some say it's easy to avoid even when doing BBFS, but I'm not sure enough to try it.
Hepatitis is preventable, so get the vaccines.
Anything bacterial that is a common STD can be cured with easy antibiotics, and almost certainly can be prevented by pre-taking zithromax (but if you monger so frequently that the antibiotics are perpetually in your system, that doesn't sound good either). This is good for the "once a month" people who don't want to risk infecting a spouse. Also good for occasional trips to Thailand, Philippines, and so on.
Also good to remember that we all occasionally catch viruses and bacterial infections from other people (not sexually), such as coughs and colds. Somehow, we all survive.
Gherkin
Would you lessen your odds to 0, or very near 0 for this discussion, chance of contracting an STD if you keep to only having sex with a small hand full (1-9) of young (mid 20's) AMP and escort providers (less time in business, less chances of contracting std)?
Another way of summing this up is:
HJ is safer than shaking hands with someone
Kissing might get you a non-STD, and even deep kissing is almost universally regarded as safe. Small chance of bacterial STD, which are easily cured.
BBBJ is extremely safe, but if deep throated, you might catch a bacterial infection, which will be easily treated.
BBFS may catch you Herpes, HIV (but not conclusive), bacterial infections (easily treated)
CFS may catch you Herpes
BBAnal may catch you just about anything
Covered Anal is like CFS, but condoms break more often during anal, I'm told.
To me, there's a big line in between oral and FS/Anal. If sticking to oral/hand sex, just take steps to protect against bacterial infection, and you should be fine. If not, then use a condom, and stop if she's not well lubed. You may catch Herpes if you FS, covered or not. You won't catch Herpes from BBBJ.
Gherkin, but I'm not a doctor, so these are just my opinions after researching this pretty thoroughly on the internet.
Hard to tell. The best way to avoid exposure is to always use condoms and avoid providers that give BBFS. BBBJ is not risk free either, so to limit the odd further only accept CBJ. If, in addition the provider is young, educated and expensive, you have probably limiedt your risk as much as possible
Life foundation does anonymous testing for HIV, free. Did not ask for ID.
http://www.lifefoundation.org/aboutus_directions.asp
The swab in the mouth test.
Not sure if they do other tests.
Another way of summing this up is:
HJ is safer than shaking hands with someone
Kissing might get you a non-STD, and even deep kissing is almost universally regarded as safe. Small chance of bacterial STD, which are easily cured.
BBBJ is extremely safe, but if deep throated, you might catch a bacterial infection, which will be easily treated.
BBFS may catch you Herpes, HIV (but not conclusive), bacterial infections (easily treated)
CFS may catch you Herpes
BBAnal may catch you just about anything
Covered Anal is like CFS, but condoms break more often during anal, I'm told.
To me, there's a big line in between oral and FS/Anal. If sticking to oral/hand sex, just take steps to protect against bacterial infection, and you should be fine. If not, then use a condom, and stop if she's not well lubed. You may catch Herpes if you FS, covered or not. You won't catch Herpes from BBBJ.
Gherkin, but I'm not a doctor, so these are just my opinions after researching this pretty thoroughly on the internet.For your info anything with bb is not safe even bbbj there are other things other than stds you can catch.
Seenum, I think this is a useful comment to remind us all to keep an eye on the big picture. Each person will have their own tolerance to risk, whether it is from a STD or from the possibility of dying from a head injury on a bike, and so on. We won't all agree on where the line should be drawn.
Hopefully we can at least realize that it is in society's best interests to keep us as scared as possible, in order to constrain our behavior. This is why we are universally taught that "if you have sex, you'll die of aids." Helping people get over this gross distortion is much easier in the age of the Internet, thank goodness.
If there's something specific you had in mind, please bring it out and let's discuss it. This board has been very helpful in bringing forward new opinions, but specific information might be more useful.
Gherkin
For your info anything with bb is not safe even bbbj there are other things other than stds you can catch.
Seenum, I think this is a useful comment to remind us all to keep an eye on the big picture. Each person will have their own tolerance to risk, whether it is from a STD or from the possibility of dying from a head injury on a bike, and so on. We won't all agree on where the line should be drawn.
Hopefully we can at least realize that it is in society's best interests to keep us as scared as possible, in order to constrain our behavior. This is why we are universally taught that "if you have sex, you'll die of aids." Helping people get over this gross distortion is much easier in the age of the Internet, thank goodness.
If there's something specific you had in mind, please bring it out and let's discuss it. This board has been very helpful in bringing forward new opinions, but specific information might be more useful.
GherkinI'm not a doctor either but remember bacteria can be stored in mucous membranes and mucus itself. And there are a lot of nasty bacteria out there but i'm just a hypocrite just look at my post I have done my share of bb.
Another way of summing this up is:
HJ is safer than shaking hands with someone
Kissing might get you a non-STD, and even deep kissing is almost universally regarded as safe. Small chance of bacterial STD, which are easily cured.
BBBJ is extremely safe, but if deep throated, you might catch a bacterial infection, which will be easily treated.
BBFS may catch you Herpes, HIV (but not conclusive), bacterial infections (easily treated)
CFS may catch you Herpes
BBAnal may catch you just about anything
Covered Anal is like CFS, but condoms break more often during anal, I'm told.
To me, there's a big line in between oral and FS/Anal. If sticking to oral/hand sex, just take steps to protect against bacterial infection, and you should be fine. If not, then use a condom, and stop if she's not well lubed. You may catch Herpes if you FS, covered or not. You won't catch Herpes from BBBJ.
Gherkin, but I'm not a doctor, so these are just my opinions after researching this pretty thoroughly on the internet.I've always believed you couldn't get Herpes from ibbbjs, at least that's what I was taught. I believed that herpes simplex-a (oral) and herpes complex (genital) were two different viruses that had similarities. Recently I've read that oral herpes can be transmitted to genitalia, but I'm still not convinced or positive of this info.
Visited Lavander this weekend. Used some of the advice posted here.
I declined the TS (as I have before) but had the provider wash me standing up, she used the pump soap instead of the bar soap and I told her no community scruber, she used her hands, actually very nice washing my dong and balls, got my pole pointing. she did not touch my brown eye, so I washed there.
The reason I declined the TS is I don't think it's a good idea to lay on my stomach with my dong and balls on that wet, sometimes cold, plastic, meldew looking bed. What might I pick up on that TS bed? Even if it harmless, I don't like the thought of my boys up rubbing around there where every one elses boy's lay. Do they ever clean that thing? And if so, how offten.
I also asked to go shower as soon as we finished the deed and I caught my breath (was good sex) to wash the boys down. She said let wash up together, so she washed up with me too, kinda nice actually. I was temped to use the listerene as I read, but thought it would burn and she would think I am strange, so I just washed up good with the pump soap.
My Philosophy
10-13-08, 15:27
I agree. I don't care for the table shower and definitely not the community scrubber.
Visited Lavander this weekend. Used some of the advice posted here.
I declined the TS (as I have before) but had the provider wash me standing up, she used the pump soap instead of the bar soap and I told her no community scruber, she used her hands, actually very nice washing my dong and balls, got my pole pointing. she did not touch my brown eye, so I washed there.
The reason I declined the TS is I don't think it's a good idea to lay on my stomach with my dong and balls on that wet, sometimes cold, plastic, meldew looking bed. What might I pick up on that TS bed? Even if it harmless, I don't like the thought of my boys up rubbing around there where every one elses boy's lay. Do they ever clean that thing? And if so, how offten.
I also asked to go shower as soon as we finished the deed and I caught my breath (was good sex) to wash the boys down. She said let wash up together, so she washed up with me too, kinda nice actually. I was temped to use the listerene as I read, but thought it would burn and she would think I am strange, so I just washed up good with the pump soap.
I've always believed you couldn't get Herpes from ibbbjs, at least that's what I was taught. I believed that herpes simplex-a (oral) and herpes complex (genital) were two different viruses that had similarities. Recently I've read that oral herpes can be transmitted to genitalia, but I'm still not convinced or positive of this info.Herpes Simplex Virus 1 (HSV-1) is commonly referred to as oral Herpes, though it can be received in the genitals.
Herpes Simplex Virus 2 (HSV-2) is commonly referred to as genital Herpes, though it can be received around the mouth (orally).
Each kind of Herpes can cause recurrent outbreaks in its "preferred" location, but it is virtually unheard of to have a recurrent outbreak in the "non-preferred" location. Similarly, each kind sheds from its preferred location, but not its non-preferred location.
You can catch HSV-1 from someone's mouth, but not from someone's genitals unless you catch it within a couple of weeks of them catching it. This is because they may have an initial outbreak, but will not have recurrent outbreaks, or shedding.
Similarly, you can catch HSV-2 from someone's genitals, but not from someone's mouth.
If you have HSV-1 orally or genitally, you won't catch it in the other location from anyone else, except perhaps during the first couple of weeks after your own original infection.
Similarly, if you have HSV-2 orally or genitally, you won't catch it in the other location.
Most of us have HSV-1. About 1/4 of us have HSV-2. HSV-1 is very infectious. HSV-2 is "somewhat" infectious (about 4% of mismatched couples engaging in unprotected sex but not during outbreaks transmitted to the other partner).
So, you could get HSV-1 genitally from a BJ (covered or not). But you probably already have HSV-1 orally, and so won't catch it genitally. Also, if you do catch it genitally, you will have an initial outbreak but nothing else, and won't pass it on to anyone else once that outbreak is over. Finally, most people who catch it get it from a simple kiss from a parent or grandparent, and so it is carries no STD stigma. Even if your doctor finds it in your blood at some point, he will not be surprised. Nor will your wife.
Similarly, you could catch HSV-2 orally from DATY. But if you do, after the initial outbreak it will almost certainly never bother you or anyone else ever again. Your doctor may find HSV-2 antibodies in your blood, but won't think much of it unless he has a recent negative finding from your blood to compare it to. You won't pass it on (after the initial outbreak subsides). You won't get recurrent outbreaks.
So, in many many respects, BBBJ and BBDATY are both very safe, but BBBJ is culturally safer because HSV-1 (which is what you may possibly catch from BBBJ) is not considered a STD, and so raises less questions. But even DATY won't raise any questions once the initial outbreak subsides.
Full service is another matter, since you could get HSV-2 genitally from that, which could possibly cause you problems for the rest of your life (but they are mild problems, but they are difficult to explain away).
In many respects, the ideal situation would be to catch HSV-2 orally (by doing DATY). A few weeks after that, you would be over the initial outbreak, would never have another, would never infect anyone else, and would be unable to catch HSV-2 genitally.
Gherkin
EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the Safe Sex topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. Thanks!
One risk of Mongering is LE stings and raids.
With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids? (Like say your "just looking"...)
Also if you are arrested, can you bail your self out of jail or do you need to call your best friend or SO to go down to the Beretania Police Station to bail you out? How much cash should you carry as emergency money?
Anyone know the routine if you do get taken in?
Just wondering.
With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids?
That topic was previously discussed on the forum (before you became a member). To help place your mind at ease, the general consensus was that a customer most likely won't be arrested in a raid on a massage or relaxation business if he doesn't have any current warrants, he isn't found to possess something illegal, and he isn't foolish enough to confess to doing something illegal.
That topic was previously discussed on the forum (before you became a member). To help place your mind at ease, the general consensus was that a customer most likely won't be arrested in a raid on a massage or relaxation business if he doesn't have any current warrants, he isn't found to possess something illegal, and he isn't foolish enough to confess to doing something illegal.Thank You Kapalua. And congratulations on 1000+ most informative posts!
Tyrone Biggins
10-22-08, 05:33
Also if you are arrested, can you bail your self out of jail or do you need to call your best friend or SO to go down to the Beretania Police Station to bail you out? How much cash should you carry as emergency money?
Anyone know the routine if you do get taken in?
Just wondering.Allow me to opine on this with past experience(s).
Depending on the charge, the bail amount will vary. When getting arrested, the cops will take you to the station and take ALL of your 'property' and put them into a clear plastic bag with a tag that identifies it as yours. 'Property' is including but limited to: wallets, cell phones, keys, coins (in your pocket), rings/jewelry/accessories, belts, and even your shoe laces (if you have any).
*reason is that they don't want to leave an inmate with anything that he/she can use to commit suicide*
If you have the cash in your wallet, you can probably let the holding officers know that you have enough cash to bail you out. If not, then your 1 phone call is probably what you will need to use to have yourself bailed out. Just remember to memorize your best friend's/most reliable friend's phone number, as you won't be able to go through your cell phone for the number.
Hope this helps.
Candy Addict
10-22-08, 06:22
With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids?
Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.
Being at an AMP is not illegal.
Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.
Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.
If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.
So, the simple rules to follow are:
1. Cooperate completely.
2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."
3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.
4. Admit nothing!
5. Play dumb.
6. Admit nothing!
7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?
Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!
BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.
The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!
Good luck!
Rotten Otto
10-22-08, 19:00
Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.
Being at an AMP is not illegal.
Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.
Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.
If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.
So, the simple rules to follow are:
1. Cooperate completely.
2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."
3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.
4. Admit nothing!
5. Play dumb.
6. Admit nothing!
7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?
Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!
BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.
The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!
Good luck!
Thank you Perry Mason. I'm hiring you if/when I get thrown in the OCCC pokey.
BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.
Which is why a safer procedure for a hobbyist encountering an unknown woman, who might be a police "decoy" instead of a real streetwalker, is to avoid saying anything about money or any sexual act unless she enters the hobbyist's vehicle and drives away with him.
Which is why a safer procedure for a hobbyist encountering an unknown woman, who might be a police "decoy" instead of a real streetwalker, is to avoid saying anything about money or any sexual act unless she enters the hobbyist's vehicle and drives away with him.
Right Kap.
Whenever I _do_ cruise DT, I just pull over and "they" jump in. No discussion of money, if they hesistate, drive away. Or, like numerous reports out of 1000+ from the mighty Kap..
If they seem to be too good too be true, guess what-- they prolly are LE.
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Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.
Being at an AMP is not illegal.
Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.
Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.
If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.
So, the simple rules to follow are:
1. Cooperate completely.
2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."
3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.
4. Admit nothing!
5. Play dumb.
6. Admit nothing!
7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?
Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!
BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.
The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!
Good luck!
Allow me to opine on this with past experience(s).
Depending on the charge, the bail amount will vary. When getting arrested, the cops will take you to the station and take ALL of your 'property' and put them into a clear plastic bag with a tag that identifies it as yours. 'Property' is including but limited to: wallets, cell phones, keys, coins (in your pocket), rings/jewelry/accessories, belts, and even your shoe laces (if you have any).
*reason is that they don't want to leave an inmate with anything that he/she can use to commit suicide*
If you have the cash in your wallet, you can probably let the holding officers know that you have enough cash to bail you out. If not, then your 1 phone call is probably what you will need to use to have yourself bailed out. Just remember to memorize your best friend's/most reliable friend's phone number, as you won't be able to go through your cell phone for the number.
Hope this helps.Great Information. Thank You Candy and TB.
Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.
Being at an AMP is not illegal.
Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.
Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.
If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.
So, the simple rules to follow are:
1. Cooperate completely.
2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."
3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.
4. Admit nothing!
5. Play dumb.
6. Admit nothing!
7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?
Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!
BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.
The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!
Good luck!
This is exactly what happened to me at PT a year ago except they didn't try to get me to admit anything they just checked my ID and then I heard them say "we can't hold him for anything"
It was almost humorous to watch a bunch of arrogant pigs wearing ski masks talk to me like I was their *****. I was tempted to ask them how much they make going around acting like Baretta on crack.
Jimmiedean
10-23-08, 07:04
Unless you have an outstanding warrant for something, or unless you say or do something incredibly stupid, your chances of being arrested if you find yourself at an AMP when it's raided are pretty close to zero. To be arrested, there must be some evidence that you've committed a crime.
Being at an AMP is not illegal.
Receiving a massage at an AMP is not illegal, only giving a massage without the proper license is. In other words, it's her problem, not yours.
Even having sex at an AMP is not illegal unless they can prove that you exchanged something of value with the provider in order to get the sex. To prove that, the officers would need to witness the transacation.
If you ever find yourself in such a situation, you can expect them to check your ID, run a computer check for outstanding warrants, and possibly ask a few quick questions to see if you'll incriminate yourself out of guilt or nervousness. When they conduct these raids, their targets are the owners/mamasans and the providers.
So, the simple rules to follow are:
1. Cooperate completely.
2. Admit nothing! You're just there for a relaxation session. Period. No need to even describe what constitutes a "relaxation session."
3. Be extremely polite to the officers and remember to say "sir" or "ma'am" frequently. Don't give them any reason to go after you for anything.
4. Admit nothing!
5. Play dumb.
6. Admit nothing!
7. Did I mention that you should admit nothing?
Follow this advice and after they determine that you don't have a warrant and that you're not going to trip yourself up, they'll give you back your ID and let you leave. Do so quickly and quietly. Then, go home, have a couple of drinks, and breathe a sigh of relief!
BTW, this advice generally works just as well if you get pulled over for talking to a SW, assuming the SW wasn't a decoy. If so, then all bets are off because then they have evidence of the business transaction.
The experience can be nerve-wracking and even traumatic to an extent, but if you stay calm and keep your mouth shut, you'll survive to monger another day!
Good luck!Thanks for the 411. I remember pulling into the VIP parking one nite all bus. Drove down and saw hellah cops in mask and crap. It was late but I didn't panic just dove down turned around and left. And got sober real quick. Knowledge always makes a tough experience a little easier to survive. Thanks again if its me in the room when they do a raid at least I know. LOL Kiss my a** goodbye.
Liampark808
10-23-08, 09:53
One risk of Mongering is LE stings and raids.
With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids? (Like say your "just looking"...)
Also if you are arrested, can you bail your self out of jail or do you need to call your best friend or SO to go down to the Beretania Police Station to bail you out? How much cash should you carry as emergency money?
Anyone know the routine if you do get taken in?
Just wondering.Once, way back when, I was in Arisoo during a raid. Fortunately I wasn't in a room during the raid, I was in the waiting area because all the rooms were full (presumably with the undercovers). While I was waiting I was watching t. V. With some other guy who was also waiting and I happened to see a bunch of LE in ski masks and bullet proof vests walking up the little walkway on the surveillance cameras. All I could think of then was F***! All they did though was ask for our ID's and take down some info. They didn't ask any questions and they told us we shouldn't come back. Saw the undercovers come out from the back in ski masks too and couldn't help but wonder how far they actually let the session get till they call in the backup. As for if they actually take you in, I bailed my friend out once and I now know that they don't take checks. So if you have to get someone out you have to bring cash. The amount depends on the crime and how much they decide to set bail at.
Strong Mojo
10-23-08, 12:06
Does anyone know if they log open a file on you they run your ID? Or, do they just run the check and not track anything further?
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Stangman808
10-24-08, 00:46
One risk of Mongering is LE stings and raids.
With recent LE raids of Nirvana and Lavender how dose a Monger stay safe from being arrested by LE along with everyone else in one of these raids? (Like say your "just looking"...)
Also if you are arrested, can you bail your self out of jail or do you need to call your best friend or SO to go down to the Beretania Police Station to bail you out? How much cash should you carry as emergency money?
Anyone know the routine if you do get taken in?
Just wondering.If LE raids an AMP while you are there and you do not have any outstanding warrants or have any illegal items on you (drugs, guns etc.), LE will most likely let you go after determining your ID and asking you some questions. Be polite and respectful to the officers.
If you are arrested for Prostitution in an LE Sting Operation (undercover SW or Escort/Craigslist ad), expect the Bail amount to be at least $500. It could be more depending on the circumstance such as you have a previous arrest/conviction for Prostitution. If you do not have the required bail amount on you, and you are unable or unwilling to call someone to post your bail (Cash Only), the police will hold you in custody until you can be taken to court. At court, the judge will decide weather to release you or hold you in custody until your next court date. If the judge decides to hold you in custody, you still can post bail to get released. Keep in mind that if you get arrested on a Friday night and cannot post bail, there is no court until Monday (Tuesday if Monday is a State Holiday), and you will be sitting in the HPD Cellblock all that time.
If at court the judge decides to hold you in custody, you will be taken to OCCC (Oahu Community Correctional Center). PRISON!
Candy Addict
10-24-08, 07:01
Does anyone know if they log open a file on you they run your ID? Or, do they just run the check and not track anything further?
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They don't track you unless they have a valid reason to. Merely being present when they raid an AMP is not a vaild reason. HPD runs literally hundreds of warrant checks, NCIC checks, license plate checks, etc., per day. They'd need humongous computer resources to track every person or car they run a search on.
If you are arrested for Prostitution in an LE Sting Operation (undercover SW or Escort/Craigslist ad), expect the Bail amount to be at least $500. It could be more depending on the circumstance such as you have a previous arrest/conviction for Prostitution.
Additionally, if the alleged offense occurred on a street within a designated "weed and seed" area, the cash bail will be raised to $1000. (For anyone interested in the boundaries of the Downtown and Palama "weed and seed" areas, about two months ago I posted maps of those two areas in the "Downtown" thread.)
They don't track you unless they have a valid reason to. Merely being present when they raid an AMP is not a vaild reason. HPD runs literally hundreds of warrant checks, NCIC checks, license plate checks, etc., per day. They'd need humongous computer resources to track every person or car they run a search on.Don't kid yourself. When they write up a report on a raid they probably list everything and everybody that they encountered while there. They have to keep detailed records in case something happens or liability issues. I'm sure there is a number cruncher somewhere that has a spreadsheet of customers that they encounter at AMPs (and probably also a list of people they stopped downtown during their sting operations. Such as a traffic stop). So if a person got stopped more than once they probably know that so and so was there for mongering. During their sting operations they probably take down license plate numbers of suspected johns cruising downtown so are aware that you are a possible john when you drive by.
While they run many checks every day throughout honolulu they probably have a separate book for their sting and AMP operations. That's only because the people running the operation aren't your usual everyday LE.
Stangman808
10-25-08, 04:51
Additionally, if the alleged offense occurred on a street within a designated "weed and seed" area, the cash bail will be raised to $1000. (For anyone interested in the boundaries of the Downtown and Palama "weed and seed" areas, about two months ago I posted maps of those two areas in the "Downtown" thread.)Another aspect of being arrested for Prostitution or any criminal offense in a WEED&SEED area is that the judge has the OPTION of imposing a Geographic Restriction on you, meaning that you are ordered to stay out of the WEED&SEED area. If this is imposed on you, HPD has the authority to arrest you for violating the judges order if you are found in the area. Even if you are not doing anything illegal, they can arrest you for violating the Geographic Restriction.
Jay Arah 88
10-25-08, 18:48
Just wanted to say thanks to both of you for the informative posts. I must admit I am getting pretty educated as well as entertained by them. I've always heard that experience is the best teacher, as long as its someone else's.
BTW, kap congrats on the 1000+ posts.
Jay
One of the local Girls, at Lavender told me after I asked to be washed standing up instead of lying down, that the MS' clean the TS table with some "korean" natural type of cleaner when it's slow, and added not that offten. She told me I was not the first customer to ask not to lay on the table to be washed.
Tyrone Biggins
11-03-08, 08:04
One of the local Girls, at Lavender told me after I asked to be washed standing up instead of lying down, that the MS' clean the TS table with some "korean" natural type of cleaner when it's slow, and added not that offten. She told me I was not the first customer to ask not to lay on the table to be washed.
Yikes!
That is just disgusting. I actually do opt to take TS whenever I'm there. Now I know to do it standing up from here on.
Thanks, brother.
Strong Mojo
11-03-08, 12:04
What's funny is that many of the mongers on this HI site will now start requesting standing showers. The providers that read the forums will now know "eh...you read the forums ah."
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I still remember this comment from one of these forums a while back:
Q: "How often do they change the sheets"
A: "Whenever they need new curtains"
Gherkin
Yikes!
That is just disgusting. I actually do opt to take TS whenever I'm there. Now I know to do it standing up from here on.
Thanks, brother.
That's very funny, LOL, but true. Hey I love a good TS, as she plays with your down there with soap (just like I do at home), but the thought of what might be lying there with your boys takes the fun out of it.
However a good provider will make the best of a standing bath and stroke you clean and then reach under you from the front and clean the back room, ohooo..like Million does very nicely.
What's funny is that many of the mongers on this HI site will now start requesting standing showers. The providers that read the forums will now know "eh...you read the forums ah."
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Strong Mojo
11-05-08, 11:21
That's very funny, LOL, but true. Hey I love a good TS, as she plays with your down there with soap (just like I do at home), but the thought of what might be lying there with your boys takes the fun out of it.
However a good provider will make the best of a standing bath and stroke you clean and then reach under you from the front and clean the back room, ohooo..like Million does very nicely.
Has anyone ever taken a blacklight to the room? After that, it will probably be standing TS, and fcuking in the standing position only.
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Jimmiedean
11-05-08, 18:08
Has anyone ever taken a blacklight to the room? After that, it will probably be standing TS, and fcuking in the standing position only.
smNow that is just funny.
Yup I think your totally right. and bring your own plastic bag to put your clothes in til your done. Don't go drunk you might not be able to dress. LOL. What you said was classic.
Had to laugh out loud, Thank you for the laugh, funny SM!
Has anyone ever taken a blacklight to the room? After that, it will probably be standing TS, and fcuking in the standing position only.
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Was wondering.
Is there some question(s) you can ask a provider or pimp durring the scheduling phase or meeting phase that if they were LE ,they would have to tell you they are or can they just lie to you? Is there a time tested question?
I can see just flat out asking if youre LE to them, but can they lie back.
I read where one member asked the provider to meet him in the lobby and take a drive around the block to prove not LE.
Stangman808
11-13-08, 03:24
Was wondering.
Is there some question(s) you can ask a provider or pimp durring the scheduling phase or meeting phase that if they were LE ,they would have to tell you they are or can they just lie to you? Is there a time tested question?
I can see just flat out asking if youre LE to them, but can they lie back.
I read where one member asked the provider to meet him in the lobby and take a drive around the block to prove not LE. LE has no legal obligation to tell you that they are LE if you ask them. If they are doing an undercover operation, saying they are LE when asked defeats their purpose. Remember, the violation of Prostitution occurs when there is an agreement for "sex for a fee", the act itself DOES NOT have to actually occur. LE will try to get the customer to say what sex act (s) they want and how much they are willing to pay. If you have a provider pressuring you from beginning to say what sex act (s) you want and how much you are willing pay, be careful. Also if a SW refuses to get into your car and only will discuss business through your car window, again pressuring you to say what sex act (s) you want and how much you are willing to pay, be careful. Undercover female LE are instructed never to get into a customers car. Using street vernacular or slangs to describe the sex act (s) and fee will still constitute a violation. Some say the touching test is a good method to tell if the provider is LE.
Tell the provider that you want to touch their breast or private area to prove that they are not LE.
I lifted this from another forum in Las Vegas. It was in response to a question I posted asking if anyone wanted to share stories about getting "busted". This VERY long response is from a provider named Vickie. It has quite a bit of good info if you take the time to sift through it.
Yes, I know it's long......
Not only have I been arrested - but as you can imagine I've heard clients tell me their busted stories and my girlfriends their busted stories - and they are a huge variety of them.
I had a gf once that was living and working out of a hotel. The hotel swtichboard operator reported to the desk there was a high volume of phone calls to her room. Security contacted LE who then had someone call her to set up an appt. She was busted. Now she only takes calls on her cell phone.
I've heard stories from men that when the hotel has seen a lot of men come and go - LE will stand outside the girl's room and when the men leave they will hassle them and see if they could get a confession out of anyone. Once they got some guy to confess - they then went and arrested her too. I think that's why she walks all of her clients out to their cars now - so she can see what's going on in the parking lot.
A client of mine told me about a girl out in broad daylight and looking like a hooker out for business he picked up. He was busted. He asked her for a BJ and she arrested him. I think that's why now he always asks a chick to flash him a boob before he talks openly to her.
I only would go to a house when the phone number was listed to someone at the same address. The reason being that LE always takes over vacant houses and does stings for short periods of time - they never have the time to get a phone number listed in the phone book.
That only didn't work for me once. I had a pimp try to recruit me to work for him by promising me he had LE on his payroll and could "protect" me if I worked for him. I refused and a few days later got a call from a listed phone number in a nice neighborhood. I went to the house and when I asked to see the bedroom for a tour of the house as I always do so I can see if there is any LE in the house anywhere - he shuttles me to the couch instead. That was weird because usually men don't balk at me asking to see the bedroom and take me to the couch instead. When I asked what was going on - he said he wanted to talk to me "first". I said okay and then he asked me the typicali "what am I going to get for my money". I responded to that question as I always do by saying I think there's been a misunderstanding and that I'm going to leave. I handed him back his money and said I was leaving - and he arrested me anyway. Granted the charges were dropped because I didn't say anything wrong and had no priors. The pimp then called me once I was released and re-invited me to work for him. I changed my phone number and moved to another town!
What's interesting was about a year later. I read in the papers that the police had set up a "fake" escort service by the same name as the one where this pimp worked! It turned out they were all cops. They were hiring escorts and sending them out on calls FOR TWO YEARS. At the end of the two years - they took all of the information and busted everyone all at once.
When they were booking me - the cops took my pager. They then had a female officer answer the pages and say they were friends of mine. They then sent out a female detective to these mens' house and busted them. They offered each of them a shorter sentence if they would agree to testify that I had been a prostitute when they were trying to get charges pressed against me. Thankfully my clients loved me enough not to do such a thing - or I guess my charges wouldn't have been dropped for lack of evidence. That or most of my clients had enough money to hire lawyers or be lawyers themselves!
Fake ads, fake reviews, fake websites, all of that are common by law enforcement to get providers and clients arrested.
I know that when I used to do incall I would greet a man at the door with a robe and ask him to please get undressed without saying anything about money or anything. I found the true clients were more than happy to get undressed. The cops would balk and I'd throw them out. I knew another spa that would do the same thing - they would have them undress first to have a shower first. They avoided arrests for years this way. I have never heard of a female or under cover cop insisting that the client be naked before they will discuss money. I think if a girl is asking you to disrobe before she discusses money with you - that's a good sign. I've even gone so far myself now with webcam technology to ask a guy to expose himself on live webcam before talking money with him. No a picture of his dick won't do because that could be fake also.
For a client - I think you have to be careful of anyone who talks about sex or money for sex with you out and out. I say that also because as a provider often sex doesn't come up with the demand for my services. Sometimes men just walk to talk, go to dinner, play out a fantasy, or do a million other things other than having sex. I know that and tend to ask other questions to find out what kind of services he wants from me. Every cops show I've ever seen or any bust I've been told about by a client has been the girl offering a sex act for money while she's fully clothed.
Never have I heard of a female officer willing to flash or disrobe before arresting someone - while sadly I've had many a gf tell me of a man being naked or even having sex with them right before being arrested. There was a famous sting here in Vegas where the cops made the girls dance around naked and then arrested them. In the photos of this - the men that were the cops were sitting around fully dressed and the women naked. Which is why if a man askes me to get naked - I refuse to until he's done the same. If a man has not taken all of his clothes off or exposed himself to me in some way - I'm not going to take any of my clothes off either.
I went on a call once where the man asked me to come to his hotel room. I verified he was registered in the room and took a credit card deposit from him. The only reason I ask for a credit card deposit from a client in a hotel is to verify he's not a cop. I always refund the deposit once I get there and take his cash and know he's not a cop. What happened however was I was stopped by hotel security right as I got off the elevator on his floor. They took me into the back room and emptied out my purse. They photographed me and told me that I was no longer welcome in the hotel and if they saw me again I'd be arrested for trespassing. I always have an agreement with hotel guests that if I'm stopped - they are to say I'm their neice coming to see them. They called the client who said I was his neice. He said the right thing - which is the only reason why they didn't arrest me or him I think. When I asked why they stopped me - it turns out that hotel security literally eaves drops on every call made from the rooms. They over heard us making the arrangements. This is why when a man calls me from a hotel location - I always now ask if he's on the hotel phone or a cell phone. You need to call from a cell phone. When the girl needs to check you're a guest and you're in the room - do not talk business on the hotel phone.
I was also stopped another time for something like this as I was leaving the hotel. I had a client pay me $1000 in 10 $100 bills. After we spent some time together - I left. As I walked out of the elevator I was stopped by security who told me the guest had said I stole his money. I had been warned about this kind of scam from the women who taught me about this bueiness and for that reason I always hid my money so it couldn't be found if I was searched. I denied stealing anything - and said were were just having a quarrel because I refused to sleep with him after going back to his room for a drink a to why he accused me of such a thing. When they couldn't find the cash - they had no choice but to let me go - but not without a warning to not come to that hotel again. That's because they found all kinds of intesesting things in my purse like condoms and toys and lingerie - and said these along "proved" I was a hooker. He couldn't claim I was a hooker - because he didn't want me arrested - he wanted his mone back. i found out later from a few girls he'd pull this stunt on a lot of them. He way of getting laid without paying for it. It happens.
I've heard of this happening with other girls - their condoms are considered "evidence" they are hooking. For this reason I've become a retailer of sex novelties so that when I"m stopped now and they pull out condoms and toys and lingerie and try to call it "evidence of being a hooker" - I show them my cards that I'm a novelty saleswoman and these are in fact my "demos" that I carry with me at all times. They have gone so far as to verify I'm in fact registerd with the company to sell these products - and thank God I am or I might have been in even more trouble!
Where one has to be careful is with pandering laws. I was working out a hotel once and I had a guy call me up and he didn't answer my questions right. So I refused to see him. I go out to walk my dog and I see the police there arresting the desk clerk. I don't post pictures of myself anywhere so I can walk right up to a cop and he won't know who I am or who he's looking for exactly for times like this. I was able to walk over the guy and when the cops weren't looking and I looked like I was just out walking the dog asked him what was going on. He said the police were arresting him for "pandering" because he took tips from the "hooker in room such and such". Turns out taking cash for any reason from a "known prostitute" is pandering. He knew who I was even though the cops didn't and since it was my fault - I told him I'd get him out. I did and when I talked to him - he said they arrested him and threatened to charge him with pandering "me" if he didn't agree to testify as to me operating as a prostitute. Since I paid for his bail and lawyer - he denied everything and they couldn't charge him or me for that matter.
There are "conspiracy" laws now in effect in some states where if a "known" prostitute tells LE that you paid her for sex or if you gave her a phone number or if she gave you money for any reason - you can be arrested for soliciting a prostitute or even pimping and/or pandering. They do not need any evidence to prosecute you under those laws. So what's happening is now more and more hookers are making false claims against people in order to get a better deal for themselves. It's a shame - but I know a few people this has happened to falsely.
Fear of LE arresting me falsely is one of the reasons why I know always ask for a deposit on a credit card before I agree to meet anyone anywhere for any reason. I explain that if I was a cop - I wouldn't be able to charge them like this (there has never been a sting I've ever heard of where the cop took a credit card or offered one that was charged). Once I have been assured everything is fine with someone - I will then reverse the deposit and take the cash now.
Calling a licensed agency for a date isn't an assurance of not being sent a cop either. I know of one time an agency was raided and the cops took over the phones for the night. Then the cops answered the phones and then sent out female cops to the clients and then arrested them there.
Again when calling a licensed agency - you have a 99 percent chance the women are not cops. If you question the phone girl about who is available and she only quotes you one type of female - it's not a good sign. That might be because they only have one female cop of one type description to send they are talking you into.
The only things I've so far seen in common in order for both providers and hobbiests to avoid honest or even fake arrests is that law enforcement will not offer to pay for a date with a credit card that processes. I've seen them hand it over and say they will pay by credit card - but it won't process as they can't use their personal credit cards in the process of a sting. Neither have I ever heard of a female cop taking and charging a credit card in the process of a prostitution sting.
Sadly I have heard of men exposing themselves and even having sex with the providers - so men know that exposing yourself to me isn't going to make me feel assured.
Another thing I've seen in common is the insistence of hearing words that sound like you're making an exchange of a sex act for money. The old "what am I going to get for this money" or "what do you want me to do".
If you're a hobbiest and a woman offers you a sex act or asks if you want a sex act - she could be just new and not know what in the hell she's doing - or she could be a cop. This is why when I get asked questions that have anything to do with sex explicitly - I just disconnect from all conversations and so should the hobbiest who really truly wants to be careful.
I found the agency that provided services to Spitzer to be quite interesting actually. They charged the client a $2500 "membership" fee into their "club". Once they received their agency fee - they would then send out girls where the girls took the money from the clients and they didn't get an agency fee from the girl. This protected them from being charged with pimping and pandering at the same time since the client was paying them - not the hooker. This is probably why Spitzer chose to use their girls after all the other agencies he'd investigatd.
This was a smart man that knew word leaking out he saw prostitutes could not only get him arrested - but cost him dearly as it has. It's a genius system in my mind - the agency being paid a hefty membership fee proved to them he was a client of means. The money from the client avoided them receiving money for a sex act or money from a prostitute's earnings. They then could send out women and the client could then negotiate with the girl directly for their actual fees. And once the retainer was paid - everyone could talk openly - as the tapes from the phone tapped showed was done.
Only thing Spitzer didn't count on was the phone tap and the tapes being released. If you guys remember the news- there was no way to arrest anyone on just the phone tapes. No one was able to link the sex up with the money at the same time with the agency's "membership" system. They had to release the tapes to the press in order to get anything done to anyone. Probably why they did it!
My advice to a hobbiest is when offering money or negotiating about money not to make it sound about sex at all. Offer a girl some money to help out with a bill, or to go shopping or follow her lead as to the language she wants to use.
And please know that a cop can tell you they are not a cop now and it's not entrapment. I've seen it on those videotapes they show of stings and now I know the laws have been changed. A cop can tell you he's not a cop and he or she can still be a cop.
Know that a female cop is not going to ask you to disrobe before discussing money either. I've probably watched 1000 cops shows of stings and not once has the female cop asked the guy to expose himself before discussing money. It's why when I go on an outcall I ask the guy to please consider answering the door naked or in a robe so he can expose himself to me when I arrive.
On the reverse though - I will not flash or disrobe when asked before I'm assured nothing is wrong for one reason - it's going to be hard to back up with a story that I'm not there for prostitution if I've flashed my tits or genitals during our negotations. I want to be able to say this is all a misunderstanding or I'm was only walking my dog or I thought I was there to go on a blind date and the victim of a practical joke or a million other excuses I can't get out of if (1) my photo is on an ad saying I'm offering sex for money or (2) if I'm flashing my tits after walking into a strange man's house or his car.
I might do other things like ask him to show me what he's got or grab his crotch and ask if he's happy to see me. Something again a female cop won't do.
A client also has to be careful about real hookers that have recently been arrested. Cops have been known to sit down women and go through their phone books. They will send out a female cop to the man's house and arrest him for soliciting a prostitute. I've seen them take the real hooker and make her call the guy and tape the phone call and then arrest him for soliciting a prostitute.
Which is why even if you've been having sex with this woman for years - if she suddenly tries to get you to say something like 'yeah I want head for $100" on the phone - you should back away from the conversation.
As a client I think the only 100 percent guaranteed way to not be arrested is to go to one of the legal brothels in Nevada. I know however that men all over the world can't all go to the brothels.
I know you gyys hate agencies - but the truth is that if you call a licensed outcall agency in clark county - you have a 99 percent chance the girl that shows up is not going to be a cop. I have yet to hear about or read about a sting where clients are arrested from a female cop being sent out from a licensed outcall agency. Not one.
On the off chance one was raised and the police took over the phones and send out cops - all you have to do is consider offering to pay for the appointment or a deposit by credit card. The cops won't process them. The other is to just not discuss sex in any way until you are comfortable you're with a true provider and not a cop. Ask her to disrobe or touch you - but not in an obvious way. One smart man I used to know would always have the money agreed upon on his coffee table when I walked into the door in plain sight. He would then motion it to me so I would know it was mine. We would then not say much of anything and when it was time to leave I would pick up my money. I would always hide it in case LE or security stopped me on my way out or home. Plus we had our agreed upon story that if I was stopped - I was his neice visiting him with him knowing my "fake name" and me knowing his full name so that it would hold up under questioning if it happened so they'd have to let us both go in case the house was tapped.
Personally I like the way the agency that served Spitzer did it - by charging the agency fee and then sending the girls out to do their own negotating. As a provider - I would know that any call I got from such an agency would not be LE because no cop is going to sell out $2500 for a "membership" fee when they're shooting for a prostitution sting.
Another safe way of avoiding arrest for a client would be to date a porn star. That would be proof she's not a cop. Of course I wouldn't offer her money for sex - I'd offer her money for "an appearance fee". If the porn star were to be arrested and set up clients in exchange for a lighter sentence - she wouldn'ta agree to see you for an "appearance fee" - she'd push you to want you to say you want sex. But the hassle with setting up a date with a porn star is she could be recognized entering your home or hotel room or people could recognize you're out with a porn star. If you can't risk that - you'd be better off doing an incall with said porn star.
A girlfriend of mine in California has been thinking of offering "sex lessons" as a way of avoiding LE. The cops can't arrest her for offering sex "lessons" and a cop would push her to say it was more than a "lesson". What do you guys think about that idea?
I happen to know a lot of porn stars. I've been thinking they could probably easily offer to do an "appearance" for an "appearance fee" to avoid problems with LE. Or they could offer to do a "home movie" with the provider. They could then discuss the sex acts they want to do in the "movie". The money could be for a video of the date to be produced instead of being sex for money. What do you think of that idea?
One thing I think I can safely say about LE is they seem more interested in getting you to talk about sex before doing anything sexual. That spa I knew about that was in business a long time - they would ask potential girls that were interviewing for jobs to please disrobe before the interview so they could see if they had any tattoos or disfigurements that would make them look bad a bikini. The female under cover cops would balk and refuse to do so. A provider underatands the system and did so. When a client showed up and was told he had to disrobe and take a shower before talking money with anyone - he was more than happy to get naked wihen the hostess asked to. The cops would leave when asked - or they would try to push her into saying something about "what was offered".
I know of one bondage house in Vegas where they only take clients who call from hotels and drive rental cars. They confirm he's a guest at the hotel. They ask to see his plane ticket and his rental car papers - and when they all match - they agree to let him inside. But this system not only leaves out the locals - it also can all be faked.
For the clients - if a girl seems more interested in getting you to prove you're not a cop before she talks about money - that's a good sign because I know that's my main interest when first getting to know someone. And just because you tell me this guy is your friend or some guy says he's your friend - doesn't mean I automatically trust him. Nor should you if a girl calls and says she knows a girl you've seen or even shows up with a girl you know. Cops take away phone books and use phone records and love to use real hookers to set up clients and men as pimps if they can.
I know of many police stations for example where when a girl got arrested for prostitution - when she'd call up one of her good clients and ask him to bail her out - the minute he showed up and paid cash they would arrest him as her pimp. In those cases - I'd suggest if you want to bail someone out - call a bail bondsman to do it. The police wouldn't charge them. The reason they'd do this was to scare the poor guy into confessing he'd seen her as a prostitute in order to drop the pimping charges.
Which is another bit of advice - just because you're arrested doesn't mean it will stick. Nor does not doing anything wrong mean you won't get arrested. Best to not say anything until you've spoken to your lawyer in those cases.
Also - while it's illegal to pay a woman for sex - it's not illegal to pay an agency to send you an entertainer. Nor for a million other little games - it's just when you say sex for money you're better off going to a brothel if that's what you want to talk about.
Another good point for a client would also be if a woman was a licensed masseuse and you were able to look up her license. I doubt any female under cover cops are going to go to the trouble of going to school and getting a massage license.
One tip I am a little afraid to pass on - because if word got around next thing you know LE is going to try it - is pets. I've never heard or or seen on TV or had someone tell me about - an undercover sting for prostition where there was a dog or cat. That guy that busted me - there were not dogs or cats in the house. Every house I've been to that was a solid good call - they have had a dog or cat. When guys have told me about going to a house where they got arrested - there was no dog or cat. When I watch Cops - and see a girl get into a guy's car that's a cop - I've seen him lie and say he's a clown and not a cop - but no pet in the car. When I've seen female cops posing as prostitutes - I've never seen them walking a dog. For years I took a pit bull with me everywhere I went (sadly he died of old age). I used to put my money in his collar so I wouldn't get robbed going from the guy's house to my car at night and also to protect myself driving around late at night. Plus no one would bother me or rape me if I was walking down the street with a pit bull. That's why I started doing it actually - I used to get crazy drunks pulling over when I'd be walking to my car or stopping in a 7/11 for a soda late at night - so I started taking him with me as protection. If the police pulled up and asked me why I was out on the street at night - I was walking my dog. Why was I out on the street at 2:00 a.m. with the dog in a area I didn't live in with my car down the street? I pulled over to walk my dog. I had one great client who bred siamese cats - his house was full of them. When I walked in - I certainly didn't worry he was a cop any longer. When I would be screening - it would always help when I asked if he had a pet - I needed to know if it was safe to bring my dog over. If he had a cat or other dog - I'd just leave my baby in the car to protect it from theft at night while in the guy's house. Which was a good thing because once I was walking back to my car and wa witnessing a guy trying to break into it right in front of me. As I was wondering what to do - the dog jumped up and snarled at him and he ran off! Also I would tell a guy when I showed up a his house with my pit bull that he had nothing to worry about unless he got fresh with me. Which was true - he would also just go lay down somewhere and sleep when I was visiting someone. If they got hostile with me or raised their voice - he'd perk up and then they'd back down. If I was a client and saw a girl walking her dog or came to her house and saw she had pets there - I'd say that's a pretty good sign. When undercover cops arrange a sting - they don't arrange to bring pets! Sometimes I think that's why a lot of drug dealers have pits too. It's a clear sign the dealer isn't a cop. I don't know though since I'm just guessing.
If I remember correctly Pretty Maids avoided arrest for a long time by Bruce negotiating the money and the girls not discussing money when they showed up. That seemed to work for a long time and for all involved. I'm not sure though because I've never been a client or a provider for them when they were around. I know when I went to interview with Bruce - he first asked me for some pictures. Then he asked me for nude pictures before he'd agree to meet with me. i'm assuming his logic was a female cop wouldn't send nude pictures.
Jrad0205,
Very good, and indebt look at what can, did, and could happen.
Thank you for your candor
Thank You Stangman, Good Information.
LE has no legal obligation to tell you that they are LE if you ask them... LE will try to get the customer to say what sex act (s) they want and how much they are willing to pay. If you have a provider pressuring you from beginning to say what sex act (s) you want and how much you are willing pay, be careful...Using street vernacular or slangs to describe the sex act (s) and fee will still constitute a violation... Some say the touching test is a good method to tell if the provider is LE.
Tell the provider that you want to touch their breast or private area to prove that they are not LE.
Having visted MPs several years back I was always nervous about the place being raided while I was there. Which took some of the intensity away from the experience.
As I look at revisting MPs again I am somewhat hesitant for fear of LE busting the place and explaining to my wife why she needs to bail me out of jail.
Does LE prefer a certain time of day for these raids or is it entirely random? And how often can one establishment be raided. Say in a years time? I prefer to enjoy the MP experience during daytime/business hours versus late at night just because it seems to make sense that LE would raid a MP when it is most busiest.
Just curious as I am fearful of the potential embarassment if I am at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Great forum!
Having visted MPs several years back I was always nervous about the place being raided while I was there. Which took some of the intensity away from the experience.
As I look at revisting MPs again I am somewhat hesitant for fear of LE busting the place and explaining to my wife why she needs to bail me out of jail.
Does LE prefer a certain time of day for these raids or is it entirely random? And how often can one establishment be raided. Say in a years time? I prefer to enjoy the MP experience during daytime/business hours versus late at night just because it seems to make sense that LE would raid a MP when it is most busiest.
Just curious as I am fearful of the potential embarassment if I am at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Great forum!I don't think there is technically a safe period as this hobby has much risk no matter the time, but as far as most raids, they typically happen at night after dark and typically before 2am. That of course is my own opinion.
As I look at revisting MPs again I am somewhat hesitant for fear of LE busting the place and explaining to my wife why she needs to bail me out of jail.
The topic of a customer's potential for being arrested during a raid on a relaxation/massage business was discussed on the forum before you became a member. To help place your mind at ease, the general consensus was that a customer almost surely won't be arrested if he doesn't have any current warrants, he isn't found to possess something illegal, and he isn't foolish enough to confess to doing something illegal.
Stangman808
11-17-08, 02:35
Having visted MPs several years back I was always nervous about the place being raided while I was there. Which took some of the intensity away from the experience.
As I look at revisting MPs again I am somewhat hesitant for fear of LE busting the place and explaining to my wife why she needs to bail me out of jail.
Does LE prefer a certain time of day for these raids or is it entirely random? And how often can one establishment be raided. Say in a years time? I prefer to enjoy the MP experience during daytime/business hours versus late at night just because it seems to make sense that LE would raid a MP when it is most busiest.
Just curious as I am fearful of the potential embarassment if I am at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Great forum!See posts #49, 52 and 61 in this thread for more information. Technically LE can conduct a raid anytime they want, day or night. But it would make more sense for LE to conduct these raids at night because the LE Morals Squad works the night shift and most of the providers are working at the AMPs at night. LE can raid an AMP as often as they want as long as they have Probable Cause to believe that a violation of the law has been committed. LE AMP arrest usually occurs as follows:
1) One or two undercover LE officers will go to an AMP and try to get the provider they are with to commit a violation and then arrest them immediately if a violation is committed.
2) LE will conduct an extended investigation of an AMP, with undercover officers visiting the AMP several times and obtaining violations from as many providers as they can. They maintain their undercover status and do not tell the providers they are LE after these visits. After each visit if they have obtained a violation, they will note the name the provider uses, their physical description and the details of the violation. When LE feels they have enough violations they will conduct a RAID of the AMP and arrest those providers who committed violations.
Hawaiimariah
11-18-08, 06:00
Two years ago I did a month in jail. What happened is I jummped in a car. The man told me he wanted a blow job and he had 50 dollars. I didn't respond. Then I told him to park. He told me I was under arrest.
Then two weeks ago I got arrested again. The man came in my room. I offered him a massage. He got completley naked. I massaged him for 15 minutes. He kept talking about how his girlfriend is cheating on him. Then I asked him for a donation. He offered me 200, and we didn't even talk about sex. Then he asked me if my breats were real. I said yes and took off my dress to show him. Then he licked my nipples. Then I asked him what he wanted to do. I don't remember if I said anything about a blow job, but he was sitting naked in my bed and he had licked my nipples, and I still never said I was charging him for a blow job, he had already given me money, so why would I promise to do the blow job in exchange for the money I already had in my purse.
Just posting this, because I've been noticing a gradual loss of this and the dangers of it it in Hawai`i.
When Mongering in Hawai`i some people may believe that, since its a major metropolitan area that messing over one person or the chances of getting caught by someone is very low. What they fail to realize is that this is an ISLAND, with Honolulu being the ONLY major area. So people from all locations of the island are connected through Honolulu at some time. Anyone who has just moved to the area and is planning on staying for longer than 3-5 years and still plans on mongering should try and be as discrete as possible. I've been quietly doing this for almost 20 years, I don't post much cause I like to keep a low 'footprint'.
We can easily get 2-4 degrees of separation between us and almost anyone on this island. I've found out that one of the girls I've been dating lives about 15min walk away from my house. (Its been tempting to invite her to come over instead of picking her up in DT.) Found out that another good friend of mine knows this same girl, who I also pick up in DT (she doesn't know YET about what her friend is doing.) If you kinda notice, there isn't a large amount of local girls on the street. If anything they are in the MP and Clubs. Street girls seems to be Haoles, and Popolo. The locals are more in places where they aren't widely noticed. Still when picking anyone up, just make sure you and provider are nice to each other and discrete. You might find out later that a friend of yours went to school with the provider. (That was a little scarey. When that happened.)
When Mongering in the DT area, I'd suggest using a 'low key car' nothing that would stand out and make people notice. Nothing really shabby, also nothing really 'expensive'. Almost at the start of every school/college break, you start to see a bunch 'kids' using their street rides to pick up the girls. I'd advise against it, as such things are very noticeable, but some of the girls down there are more impressed with money and maybe, just maybe cause you look rich, they would be more unwilling to drop their prices for you.
I prefer to keep a bit of 'seed money' (maybe about .20) on me and head to a bank machine after I pick up a girl. If I get a girl, and they don't mind me heading to a bank machine, I use the in between time to make sure they aren't LE, they aren't too drugged up, make sure they aren't totally insane, and make sure they are FEMALE. Until I managed to the mahu radar up to complete speed, I like to make sure that a girl is a girl. Strangely enough, the mahus are the ones who are offended if you ask if they are a girl, and the girls are more than willing to give you proof that they are female. If they aren't, usually by saying you have maybe .1 or .2 on you and giving it to them will keep them satisfied if you have to drop their ass off for the ride. I'd say its better to just give them a little for their 'time' and get rid of the bad ones.
(Getting on Soap Box majorly now)
One thing I'd like to let people know is that we should really not discuss people's personal lives and names here. In the "A's Fan Club", people are starting to talk about people and their personal lives. I'd take some care in doing so. For if you drop enough hints, someone will be able to notice you. I think that the Barber Shop might like the business, but the individual people might not like the attention. So if you do go down, don't try and get much play from them. (From what it sounds most of them have BF, Fiancee, or are married.) Also, people are talking about MK and we should really be careful of talking about people this way. While it is fun to gossip, and do what ifs. I don't think we need to bring too much attention to this site. We probably know that the LE are monitoring it, and speaking about people in certain ways means you can be noticed. With some of the info that people have posted here, any Magnum PI would be able to track some of the people here, find their name.
PopoloGirl
11-20-08, 01:26
At first glance this may sound like a cheap plug but its not.
Many of you know who the indie girls are, because ppl talk about us. That saves you all the embarrasment of the raids and so on, like the brother mentioned in the looong (but informative)post.
Although many of you hate the screening process, its only once and generally after that its smooth sailing for last minutes, text appts etc. I know many of us girls that are indie take appointments this way. Even the indie MT who occassionally offers HE to her 'good ones' is safer it seems.
My clients know I live in a nice area, very visible to my neighbors = no drama. Nice furniture, clean house, fresh towels... etc. I have been to other providers places here and witnessed the same.
Times get hard, I go back to the corporate world, not SWing, not bashing them... they are doing what they feel is necessary and I wish them safety. But if you are concerned about getting robbed, busts, crackpipes, divorce, losing the kids, house, job... that seems like a rather high price to pay. Much higher than the 50-200 or so bucks you save by going the more dangerous route.
In the end I know its adrenaline too (I feel the same way when I have a new client come over) and the chase and all... but it seems interesting that in a thread titled 'safe mongering' this hasnt really been brought up.
again, this wasnt a cheap plug for me :) but for all the indie girls from the west side to the east side...
Stay safe, and come see me soon....
tried and true
--Crissy
http://crissy.ultraescort.com
Member #6232
12-03-08, 06:01
Indies are definitely safer. No "managers" to get beefs with, no LE around the corner (if they are, much easier to just drive on by), safer environment, and easier when the na'elle's come up. When I'm going to an indie like popolgirl or tammie, I can always claim to be delivering something, or be on a service call. Much easier to watch the back and bail if need be.
Also, there's usually less concern regarding std's from shared needle users, concerns regarding hygiene, the old bait and switch, getting mobbed, etc.
Be safe, and aloha.Hi All, so besides Eros, CVibes, and OahuE, are there any other reliable listing for these "Indies" to provide some measure of assurances and safety for all? Of course we still have to regularly visit LifeF and Doc's to ensure we are being safe. Otherwise, abstinence makes for a regular with Rosey Palm. Alohaz, "O"
Localpopoki
12-20-08, 11:53
Dated "Sandy" the other day. A local MILF. She told me that there is a blond in the DT area who is HIV positive. Said this blond provider would tell a potential client about her HIV status & perhaps insist on double bagging but that's all she would say. She would not be more specific about this blond's identity but I just wanted to pass along the 411 FWIW.
Puinsai808
12-20-08, 15:10
Dated "Sandy" the other day. A local MILF. She told me that there is a blond in the DT area who is HIV positive. Said this blond provider would tell a potential client about her HIV status & perhaps insist on double bagging but that's all she would say. She would not be more specific about this blond's identity but I just wanted to pass along the 411 FWIW.Thanks for the heads up LP.
I had heard that the WSW's name was Linn as in Linda.
I have never come across any Linda's but I am careful of Blonde SW in the DT area.
I had heard that the WSW's name was Linn as in Linda.
I have never come across any Linda's but I am careful of Blonde SW in the DT area.
In September, I posted the following message:
There is an old streetwalker (maybe in her forties or fifties) named Linda who works downtown, usually on or in the vicinity of North Kukui Street. She is haole, has blond hair (possibly dyed), has many years of experience as a streetwalker, and often looks tired and glum. Three other streetwalkers, who have previously been reliable sources of information, recently (and independently of each other) said that she has a serious communicable disease. Although I don't know this as a proven fact, downtown hobbyists may want to take it into consideration -- and, at the least, make sure to always use a condom if being serviced by that provider.
There was an interesting news report in the Honolulu Advertiser yesterday regarding some STDs in Hawaii:
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090121/NEWS15/901210368/1001/localnewsfront
Sancho2063
01-23-09, 03:29
There was an interesting news report in the Honolulu Advertiser yesterday regarding some STDs in Hawaii:
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090121/NEWS15/901210368/1001/localnewsfrontThis quote should be noted, just after the 6th paragraph.
"It's clear there are people having unprotected sex out there."
Be careful Braddahs
Ever wonder how offten our ATF's, or any AMP girl for that matter, goes to get a legit check up and tested? Where would they go?
Primal Needs
02-01-09, 04:31
Ever wonder how offten our ATF's, or any AMP girl for that matter, goes to get a legit check up and tested? Where would they go?
Well, regarding your first question, who knows...
As far as where do they go, they have free testing at several places on the island. I believe someone posted a list once before.
I've been to both the Waipahu and Diamond Head free STD clinics.
They were pretty respectful.
Primal Needs
Ever wonder how offten our ATF's, or any AMP girl for that matter, goes to get a legit check up and tested? Where would they go?
I know a few girls who go monthly but I think the average is every 3 months which is a little far fetched if you ask me they should all get checked weekly. I get tested every month even if no tickling my of atfs tako hoe was done.
Member #3973
02-01-09, 23:45
Ever wonder how offten our ATF's, or any AMP girl for that matter, goes to get a legit check up and tested? Where would they go?
I know several providers. They rarely get tested unless they develop symptoms.
In general don't count on them getting checked regularly. Only in countries with legal prostitution like Mexico or Germany can you count on STD test, and only in establishments, not with SWs.
Modelsearch10
02-02-09, 00:13
I know several providers. They rarely get tested unless they develop symptoms.
In general don't count on them getting checked regularly. Only in countries with legal prostitution like Mexico or Germany can you count on STD test, and only in establishments, not with SWs.The Koreans that are part of the "AMP" system in other countries are great about testing. I know when I was in Korea and Guam that the girls were tested weekly and others (depending where they worked) were on a schedule and went NO LONGER then a month between tests and you could even ask for their papers to check. Also the Filipinas in Korea were scheduled regular checkups for the bars they worked at. I understand it was an "unwritten" agreement with the American bases to get the girls regularly tested, even though the base would deny any involvment or even wanting to recognize that that sort of thing would go on downtown near the bases! If you went into a bar and suddenly a regular girl that use to work there is gone and you know she wasnt due to go home yet, you knew one of 2 things happened. Either she ran away or she came down with something and was sent home! SO at least in these countries the bar owners took some sort of responsability to keep the spread of STD's in check.
Well, regarding your first question, who knows...That's was my point...we don't know...I wonder why they don't make it a SOP to go get a check every two weeks, especialy if it's done else where.
WE Know about the free clinics, but they don't go, but I would think the AMP industry (if i can call it that) would have some of their own regular doctors in the area to have the AMP workers checked regularly. I would think it would be better for business if the customers knew that was the policy.
Last time I was on the mainland, I had an anonymous comprehensive STD panel done at www.tstd.org -- no Q-tips involved. Just pee into the container, and give them some blood. 3 days later, results available online. I think it was about $250. They needed a name to send to the lab, but they said to invent one. The lab, which was just an ordinary diagnostic lab, wasn't interested in checking ID at all - very anonymous. Results are obtained on the web via a tracking number that you get when you sign up. They required that I phoned in before getting access to the web site, just so they could read me some sort of disclaimer. Once again, anonymous other than the tracking number (I used a payphone). I paid with a visa giftcard that I bought for cash at Target.
GherkinI checked this internet site out, tSTD. It just as brother Gherkin reported above. Easy to do, no name, no hassels. $250.00. Just not in Hawaii so you have to do while on mainland.
Try the Diamond Head free STD clinics. It is right near the diamond head crater. I have used it a couple of times. They do good work.
Try the Diamond Head free STD clinics. It is right near the diamond head crater. I have used it a couple of times. They do good work.But they ask for ID and aslk questions about partners, Yes?
Member #3973
12-02-09, 22:24
Well, they will ask for a name and address, and if I recall correctly, an ID the first time you visit. However, their records are confidential, so I would not worry about giving my name. And they will ask about sexual partners.
Not sure what will happen if you claim you do not have an ID.
They will give you a bunch of free condoms :-)
But they ask for ID and aslk questions about partners, Yes?
Well, they will ask for a name and address, and if I recall correctly, an ID the first time you visit. However, their records are confidential, so I would not worry about giving my name. And they will ask about sexual partners.
Not sure what will happen if you claim you do not have an ID.
They will give you a bunch of free condoms :-)Yes, went there long time ago and was asked for ID and partners name\s.
Yes, went there long time ago and was asked for ID and partners name\s.
What do they do if you don't have names cuz it's all ho's?
Member #3973
12-06-09, 21:22
What do they do if you don't have names cuz it's all ho's?
I just told them I had some one-night stands with girls who lives on the mainland. Then they did not ask for details ;-)
The Luv Below
01-10-10, 20:38
If anyone's been to Club Sandy in the past few months and have any unusual symptoms please private message me. Trying to figure this out.
Well, they will ask for a name and address, and if I recall correctly, an I'd the first time you visit. However, their records are confidential, so I would not worry about giving my name. And they will ask about sexual partners.
Not sure what will happen if you claim you do not have an I'd.
They will give you a bunch of free condoms. Was reading about stds and saying alot don't have symptoms. Might as well check to be safe. I m now wondering how soo many reports say stds are rampant. I guess these are from people who have unsafe sex since I'm positive these providers have more "partners" than any girl with a normal job. Do you think it would be weird if things were equal and there were men AMPs. I've heard from females that they go to japan for the male protitute clubs, but that's another story. Ha ha.
Ever wonder how offten our ATF's, or any AMP girl for that matter, goes to get a legit check up and tested? Where would they go?Good question. In Thailand and Philippines, the girls would do a weekly checkup at the doctors or they call it hygiene checkup. I think most of us go by the fact that if she looks healthy and no visible signs in her private area, they're good to go and we just DATY them as we please.
Has anyone gotten any std symptoms from Monica at Kison? The mileage she gets would definitely put her in a high risk category.
Candy Addict
12-28-10, 21:39
Has anyone gotten any std symptoms from Monica at Kison? The mileage she gets would definitely put her in a high risk category.I saw her about a month or so ago, BBFSCIP, absolutely no symptoms whatsoever, other than a strong desire to go back and do her again! ;)
Well, they will ask for a name and address, and if I recall correctly, an I'd the first time you visit. However, their records are confidential, so I would not worry about giving my name. And they will ask about sexual partners.
Not sure what will happen if you claim you do not have an I'd.
They will give you a bunch of free condoms.Be sure you have lots of time on your hands. Waited several hours, pulling the number etc. Only to be told that you should be worried mostly if you have unprotected viginal intercourse. If you use condom every time you should be alright. The doc said oral sex basically safe for a male unless you got a cut in your mouth. But don't let me stop you from going, go just to check once a year if you in this hobby. Cause you never know.
I saw her about a month or so ago, BBFSCIP, absolutely no symptoms whatsoever, other than a strong desire to go back and do her again! ;)If monica never gets an std once in a while, then in my book, std's don't exist. (Being very sarcastic). My own opinion, if I want to do stuff she does, I'll get from my ex. Who is hot and such a good girl its rediculous, always working and with the kids. Just know since I came back from the std clinic, should she ever contract HIV, it takes 3 months or more to show up in a test and during that time she could be spreading it, other stds take several weeks to months to show up and can still spread so good luck fellaz.
Be safe
Well, they will ask for a name and address, and if I recall correctly, an I'd the first time you visit. However, their records are confidential, so I would not worry about giving my name. And they will ask about sexual partners.
Not sure what will happen if you claim you do not have an I'd.
They will give you a bunch of free condoms. If you don't have I'd, the clinic won't take you. I saw this happen to a smokin hot chick who waited for almost an hour then was sent away.
ClintonPortis
10-13-11, 00:24
Be sure you have lots of time on your hands. Waited several hours, pulling the number etc. Only to be told that you should be worried mostly if you have unprotected viginal intercourse. If you use condom every time you should be alright. The doc said oral sex basically safe for a male unless you got a cut in your mouth. But don't let me stop you from going, go just to check once a year if you in this hobby. Cause you never know.I don't know what kind of doc told you this but I think this deserves to be bumped, even though I know it's a very old thread.
You can catch herpes simplex I or II, gonorrhea, syphilis, and hpv (virus associated with oral cancer, cervical cancer, and genital warts) from BBBJ. You can theoretically also catch HIV and hepatitis but I don't know if there has been confirmed cases of oral transmission.
Even CBJ is not risk free. Herpes and HPV are skin infections and are transmittable in areas of the groin that arent covered by a condom.
And most people who are infected are asymptomatic.they don't show outward symptoms. Yet, they can still transmit the virus to you through asymptomatic shedding. That's why so many people are infected with herpes.
Do you wonder why up to NINETY PERCENT of the population will become infected with Herpes Simplex I by the time they reach 50's? Do you wonder why about TWENTY percent of the population are infected with Herpes Simplex II?
Then do the math. If a provider services only 2 dudes a day for 300 days of the year, that is 600 different men in just 1 year. Multiply that by the number of years she's been working, then add in all the men she has had sex with in her civilian life, and a decent provider could easily have 2000-3000 men in a few years.
So do you really want to do BB anything?
Hilifter37
10-13-11, 01:56
I got tested at Diamond Head clinic last month and called for the results of my tests recently. Only a couple of STDs seemed to be tested for with the urine, and syphilis from the blood test. The HIV test result was given 15 minutes at the time samples were taken last month. The wait for me was about 2 hours in total, since I did not go early when the clinic opened at 11:00 a. M. I know there are risks, but enjoy BBBJ and DATY too much for my only good.
I think I read somewhere there were at least 2 cases of HIV transmission through oral sex but not sure.
I don't know what kind of doc told you this but I think this deserves to be bumped, even though I know it's a very old thread.
You can catch herpes simplex I or II, gonorrhea, syphilis, and hpv (virus associated with oral cancer, cervical cancer, and genital warts) from BBBJ. You can theoretically also catch HIV and hepatitis but I don't know if there has been confirmed cases of oral transmission.
Even CBJ is not risk free. Herpes and HPV are skin infections and are transmittable in areas of the groin that arent covered by a condom.
And most people who are infected are asymptomatic. They don't show outward symptoms. Yet, they can still transmit the virus to you through asymptomatic shedding. That's why so many people are infected with herpes.
Do you wonder why up to NINETY PERCENT of the population will become infected with Herpes Simplex I by the time they reach 50's? Do you wonder why about TWENTY percent of the population are infected with Herpes Simplex II?
I don't know what kind of doc told you this but I think this deserves to be bumped, even though I know it's a very old thread.
You can catch herpes simplex I or II, gonorrhea, syphilis, and hpv (virus associated with oral cancer, cervical cancer, and genital warts) from BBBJ. You can theoretically also catch HIV and hepatitis but I don't know if there has been confirmed cases of oral transmission.
Even CBJ is not risk free. Herpes and HPV are skin infections and are transmittable in areas of the groin that arent covered by a condom.
And most people who are infected are asymptomatic. They don't show outward symptoms. Yet, they can still transmit the virus to you through asymptomatic shedding. That's why so many people are infected with herpes.
Do you wonder why up to NINETY PERCENT of the population will become infected with Herpes Simplex I by the time they reach 50's? Do you wonder why about TWENTY percent of the population are infected with Herpes Simplex II?
Then do the math. If a provider services only 2 dudes a day for 300 days of the year, that is 600 different men in just 1 year. Multiply that by the number of years she's been working, then add in all the men she has had sex with in her civilian life, and a decent provider could easily have 2000-3000 men in a few years.
So do you really want to do BB anything?Finally. The voice of reason.
Rico Suave808
09-14-12, 20:57
Please keep your discussions about safe sex and diseases on this thread. Please do not clutter other threads with these discussions.
Quote Originally Posted by Blake123 [View Original Post]
Hey guys, not meaning to be rude but we're all grown men here. Everyone knows the risks. No need for the lecture. If a monger wants BB, that's his business.
No offense, but I for one does not know all that they mentioned. I am pretty new to this scene so. Any 'warning' is appreciated.
Holy Cow, just saw this in the Tampa "STD Prevention" forum. Now this is a bit extreme, but how have we been in Hawaii for STDs?
I have been studying this stuff for years *and even called a *university *that is currently conducting promising tests on prevention. *I'm a germaphobe So I may be over the top for some. *I've read contradictions to all of my practices except 2. Studies have showed even then that I'm right though it is not recommended as a magic solution. I would do all of *the following because it still lowers the chances of catching something. Even in a "monogomous" relationship.
If your circumsized great. That makes things *more simpler. Easy to get every part.
*shower before every encounter paying special attention to the boys preferrably with anti bacterial soap. (I go over the top so I use anti-bacterial dish liquid)
Next put a lubricant that has*
At least 1% carrageenan in it. *
Hours before sex. And between condoms.
Carrageenan is scientifically proven to work to inhibit h. P. V by 98% and 30 % on h3rp3s. It worked in all vetro and vitro studies in lab mice. Works 100% in the labratory *dish. Canada study *also show that one drop to a bathtub *of water killed all *h. P. V. Takes care of all the well known bad hpv along with most of the not so bad ones. *I called University oF M *to see if they are working on *this stuff. *and they are still testing on humans for this. *You can call for yourself right now. It will probably be release to public 50 years later. This was good enough info for me to start using it.
* (again I over do it. So I found a lubricant with 3% carrageenan and I still bought raw irish moss seaweed and boiled it for two hours which leaves 95 % carrageenan in a liquid form. That is actually lub *as well. I strain it *in a cheese cloth and mix it with the store bought*carrageenan Lub.
3 quarters their commerial*carrageenan lub and *1 quarter my 95% pure carrageenan.)
Put your lube all over your pubic area and upper leg. Let it dry. Get dressed. Go on your date. *Still use a condom. And immidiately after take a really good shower. Not a couple minutes later. Don't wait till you get home. This stops everything from getting a go at your body defenses. Apply a bit more lub with in 1 hr of your encounter. I don't like BBBJ because the girl can cut me by mistake. Your skin is your best defense you naturally have. *I also Keep a boxer on with the condom during the deed. Limits skin to skin touching which limits exposure to those bugs. There are latex boxers but its way too expensive for me. *If you do something stupid or plan to have a doctor ready with Pep. Some clinics have it some don't. Pep. Is a cocktail of pills doctors and nurses actually take when stuck with an H. 1 V infected needle. If taken with 72 hours. Lowers risk of catching H. 1V by 89% or better.
I've covered 3 bugs.
C1amyd1a should be easily prevented by a condom AND a shower because it is a bacteria not a virus.
I've heard some rubbing alcohol works but requires a stay of 1 minute on a surface. Couldn't keep up with that idea and not enough studies was made using that method. In all *just do your Girl screen regarding age, drug use and even race. Certain races women have there favorite std. Hep has its fave. Herp. Clap. Syphlys. Now a super strain ghoneria is out. In only on country so far. Hello Japan!
Screen, prepare and be clean as possible.
I apologize for the typos.
Enjoy!
I guess its time to move the STD testing discussion over here since Admin2 locked up the other thread. Staying disease free is important to all of us since everything we do effects everyone partaking in the hobby. Rumors or not, I stay away from the unsafe or reportedly unsafe providers. It just ain't worth it as I know from two bad experiences. Stay safe and report the unsafe providers.
Back home that is taboo. Here it is every third report.
Member #5092
09-29-13, 07:43
Back home that is taboo. Here it is every third report.Bro ink you sound supprised. Lucky we live hawaii, seems like we have it preety good here in hawaii. Are you here on vacation or just reading up on our little rock.
Larry Hoover
09-29-13, 13:31
Run. Don't walk to Crystal Healing Massage and request Monica.
She is either a great actress or really experiencing multi orgasms. Many positions, out of this world BBBJ, BBFSCIP, many positions, super fun girl. I tried to ask how old she is and she says 18. Of course she is older like many others have states. But that body is very much like an 18 yo tight everything. No flab period! Nice set of bolt ons. This girl is made for fun. And likes to talk dirty.Is this normal? I've never dealt with a provider that was BBFSCIP.
RickJames808
09-29-13, 17:07
Simply wear a jimmy. Need to be safer? Don't play at all. You're not in Kansas anymore Toto.
RJ.
Back home that is taboo. Here it is every third report.
Member #4374
09-29-13, 21:44
Back home that is taboo. Here it is every third report.Hawaii is a hub of prostitution. So there are many hoes which makes for much competition. So for the older hoes to make paper they got to give up the raw dawg service or get passed over like Charlie Manson for parole release. It's all about options and what a monger wants: becuz we are the kings and the working girls are our servants. (Well paid servants at that).
Ass Man808
09-29-13, 22:06
Hawaii is a hub of prostitution. So there are many hoes which makes for much competition. So for the older hoes to make paper they got to give up the raw dawg service or get passed over like Charlie Manson for parole release. It's all about options and what a monger wants: becuz we are the kings and the working girls are our servants. (Well paid servants at that).Couldn't have said it better. Excellent way to put it.
Is this normal? I've never dealt with a provider that was BBFSCIP.Then you're either a rookie or just haven't been with a provider offering BB. If you don't like it, then request a cover. I highly doubt a provider would refuse you one if you asked for it.
H
Back home that is taboo. Here it is every third report.A lot of us prefer to be safe. Just make a note of the girls that provide unsafe service and avoid them. Also, you have to understand that a lot of the posts on this forum are just locker room talk. I avoid Kison for that reason and now I may have to cross MF off my list.
Idusixtyning
09-30-13, 01:32
Back home that is taboo. Here it is every third report.Was curious. Looked up that in 2010 that there were 2, 400 cases of known HIV / AIDs in Honolulu county. Not counting those that don't know they have it.
I stick with seeing the providers that are always covered. I also don't quite like the thought of my dick in a vagina full of other mongerers cum even with a rubber on me. Yes, BB feels the best, but for me BB is for a true GF or SO. I couldn't do BB with AMP girls that always go uncovered because if I met a potential normal GF then how could I fuck her BB without endangering her to any STD I may be carrying. Means I would have to get tested first. Kind of awkward to time.
Sometimes someone may post locker room talk bragging that they got BB from a provider always known to be covered. If a favored mongerer is truly getting extras from an always covered provider, then he would keep it to himself. Good pros like Kelly, Joy, Chanel, etc don't need to do BB for the general populace
Larry Hoover
09-30-13, 03:31
Then you're either a rookie or just haven't been with a provider offering BB. If you don't like it, then request a cover. I highly doubt a provider would refuse you one if you asked for it.
HNot a rookie, I've been with plenty that do BBBJs, just not BBFS. Maybe that's an AMP thing, because I don't frequent those.
Secret Agent
09-30-13, 04:17
Was curious. Looked up that in 2010 that there were 2, 400 cases of known HIV / AIDs in Honolulu county. Not counting those that don't know they have it.
I stick with seeing the providers that are always covered. I also don't quite like the thought of my dick in a vagina full of other mongerers cum even with a rubber on me. Yes, BB feels the best, but for me BB is for a true GF or SO. I couldn't do BB with AMP girls that always go uncovered because if I met a potential normal GF then how could I fuck her BB without endangering her to any STD I may be carrying. Means I would have to get tested first. Kind of awkward to time.
Sometimes someone may post locker room talk bragging that they got BB from a provider always known to be covered. If a favored mongerer is truly getting extras from an always covered provider, then he would keep it to himself. Good pros like Kelly, Joy, Chanel, etc don't need to do BB for the general populace
A lot of us prefer to be safe. Just make a note of the girls that provide unsafe service and avoid them. Also, you have to understand that a lot of the posts on this forum are just locker room talk. I avoid Kison for that reason and now I may have to cross MF off my list.
Then you're either a rookie or just haven't been with a provider offering BB. If you don't like it, then request a cover. I highly doubt a provider would refuse you one if you asked for it.
H
Is this normal? I've never dealt with a provider that was BBFSCIP.
Back home that is taboo. Here it is every third report.Wrong thread guys. This whole discussion should be continued in the "Safe Mongering in Honolulu" thread. It's located in the threads, bottom of page one.
Mmm. No mention of bareback killing anyone in Hawaii according to the CDC report below. So make sure you put a condom on your cigerette.
The Leading Causes of Death in Hawaii: Lung cancer leads to more deaths every year in Hawaii than breast, prostate and colorectal cancers combined. According to the Hawaii Cancer Facts and Figures, lung cancer is the second-most-common type of cancer diagnosed among men, and the third-most common among women in Hawaii. In 2008, 546 people died from lung cancer. Every year, hundreds of new patients are diagnosed—most are over the age of 55—and the cancer is often diagnosed at a later stage. Compared to high-profile cancers like breast cancer, lung cancer isn't as known to the public. 'We need to increase awareness, ' says Debbie Odo, director of tobacco control at the American Lung Association in Hawaii (ALAH) , who adds that the biggest cause of lung cancer is smoking. Want to quit? ALAH provides education materials, and also provides support and training for free community smoking-prevention programs such as Teens Against Tobacco Use and Music with a Message. 'We train students to advocate against smoking and they create their own methods to do that, ' says Odo, who also lobbies for funding for smoking cessation and prevention at the state Legislature. Lung cancer and diseases caused by smoking aren't just costly in terms of lives; they cost the state $1. 1 billion each year, says Odo.
I divided 2400 into 1. 3 million. The state of Hawaii's population. The odds of giving HIV are 0. 1846153846153846 percent. Yes, that's less than 1 percent. However, unless all 2400 of these new HIV cases are from your local AMP, the odds are much less. Somewhere near zero. The suicide rate is higher then the HIV rate. So watch yourself in the mirror.
Hotdaddy. I teach math for a living.
AmpAddict808
09-30-13, 11:53
I divided 2400 into 1. 3 million. The state of Hawaii's population. The odds of giving HIV are 0. 1846153846153846 percent. Yes, that's less than 1 percent. However, unless all 2400 of these new HIV cases are from your local AMP, the odds are much less. Somewhere near zero. The suicide rate is higher then the HIV rate. So watch yourself in the mirror.
Hotdaddy. I teach math for a living.For a teacher, you did not read details well. Was for Honolulu county, not the entire state. And that is only confirmed and known cases. Anyways, to each his own. I don't do it because I don't want to chance giving anything to a real GF. Of course, if you can never score and got to always pay for it, then I guess it's a choice of necessity.
ClintonPortis
09-30-13, 13:23
I divided 2400 into 1. 3 million. The state of Hawaii's population. The odds of giving HIV are 0. 1846153846153846 percent. Yes, that's less than 1 percent. However, unless all 2400 of these new HIV cases are from your local AMP, the odds are much less. Somewhere near zero. The suicide rate is higher then the HIV rate. So watch yourself in the mirror.
Hotdaddy. I teach math for a living.LOL. Not really accurate. The 1. 3 million includes hundreds of thousands of people that arent sexually active and even more that rarely have sex. Your chances of becoming HIV positive increase tremendously when you bareback multiple providers who have each barebacked hundreds or thousands other mongers in her life.
But overall you are right. AIDS isn't really the biggest danger here. Stuff like incurable HPV (which is linked to oral cancer) , HSV, and hepatitis, as well as drug resistant gonorrhea and syphillus are the real threats. I don't know about you but I don't wish to either spread STDs to or confess to any future GF or wife my STD status. But I guess if a monger has pretty mch given up on life and doesn't care about finding a GF, then this doesn't matter too much. LOL.
I divided 2400 into 1. 3 million. The state of Hawaii's population. The odds of giving HIV are 0. 1846153846153846 percent. Yes, that's less than 1 percent. However, unless all 2400 of these new HIV cases are from your local AMP, the odds are much less. Somewhere near zero. The suicide rate is higher then the HIV rate. So watch yourself in the mirror.
Hotdaddy. I teach math for a living.You used the wrong population figures. All 1. 3 million people do not have sex. Your figures should include only those people engaged in unsafe sex. Your chances are considerably larger if you go bb regularly.
Your math is good, your analysis is fuzzy.
Larry Hoover
09-30-13, 15:38
You used the wrong population figures. All 1. 3 million people do not have sex. Your figures should include only those people engaged in unsafe sex. Your chances are considerably larger if you go bb regularly.
Your math is good, your analysis is fuzzy.Also, I'm much less worried about contracting HIV vaginally as opposed to being burnt with the plethora of other diseases that are out there. Are there figures for those?
AmpAddict808
10-01-13, 01:24
Herpes is with you for life but HIV / AIDs will end your life. You BB guys better hope there is never a rogue mongerer with HIV / AIDS who is knowingly doing BB with providers. Or a provider doing the same. I had a friend who had a roommate while in London that had a one night stand with a woman. She left before he woke up and wrote in lipstick on the bathroom mirror "welcome to the world of AIDS". Pretty scary stuff that some people might do.
AmpAddict808
10-01-13, 01:36
Also, I'm much less worried about contracting HIV vaginally as opposed to being burnt with the plethora of other diseases that are out there. Are there figures for those?Can Google stats. I read that Hawaii had the 8th highest rate of chlamydia in 2008 in the US. That's one disease that may not show symptoms too.
Herpes is with you for life but HIV / AIDs will end your life.
I had a friend who had a roommate while in London that had a one night stand with a woman. She left before he woke up and wrote in lipstick on the bathroom mirror "welcome to the world of AIDS". Pretty scary stuff that some people might do.Good point on the contrast.
That London story is interesting; back in 1987 an acquaintance said a girl he knew opened her speech with that same story, minus the location.
Member #4374
10-01-13, 05:08
Some B-girl told me that story of how the girl wrote "Welcome to AIDS world" on the mirror in lipstick and left while the guy was sleeping. (But in her story the guy was a tourist who picked up a hooker in Waiks).
RickJames808
10-01-13, 10:25
That story, about some person or other has been around for a couple decades (heard it in high school) and had taken place in several different locales (the most common is NY). Urban Legend I believe but there is a source incident which spawned it. Where theres smoke. You know the rest. All barebackers know the risks and or willingly throw caution to the wind. They calculate the odds based on factual data or tribal knowledge and hope / pray / swear that they won't catch anything. Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing barebackers, I only wish I could be so brave or foolish however one chooses to see it. My activities are wrong as it is. I won't increase the fun / drama factor by running the risk of bringing something home pennicilin can't cure and / or burning my SO. A child that plays with fire will do so until he / she gets burned. For some kiddies it make two or three burns to get the message: "Damn! That fire shit hurts! I'm not fuckin with that any more!" Sometimes it takes an incident to dispel misconceptions or myths of invincibility (hurricane Katrina did that for many a coast resident (some fatally so) who had lived through Camille and thought "nothing else could be that bad". All it takes is one tourist from the mainland or abroad or a new provider to introduce a virulent pathogen into our community. Not really an if but a when.
What truly boggles my mind is the number of young bareback providers who take yards of unshielded cock up inside'them for a few extra bucks. Sure the oldies like the birds at Kison don't give a damn. And of course many younger providers have one or several trusted loyal client / s whith whom they share a little BB lovin. But damn, Mayflower, out of the blue has broken the mold and become the latest BB Grand Central Station with youngins as the conductors. Lovely young ladies who will allow most any dirty dick monger to slide up in'them raw, bang to their hearts content and leave their load deep up in'them. No fuss no questions, no health papers, just hand over the money and pump me full. Just for a few extra bucks. So very tempting. Not complaining mind you. It simply boggles my mind and facsinates me to no end. I wonder what kind of indoctrination / incentive MS has runnin over there? Whatever it was that pinay cutie Gianna didn't drink the Kool-Aid and hauled ass.
Bottom line. We all know what we're doing. If you're bangin bareback your just rollin the same set of dice but with higher stakes. Good luck, good nut, and have fun.
RJ.
Herpes is with you for life but HIV / AIDs will end your life. You BB guys better hope there is never a rogue mongerer with HIV / AIDS who is knowingly doing BB with providers. Or a provider doing the same. I had a friend who had a roommate while in London that had a one night stand with a woman. She left before he woke up and wrote in lipstick on the bathroom mirror "welcome to the world of AIDS". Pretty scary stuff that some people might do.
Just throwing this out to see what kind of response it gets.
For those of you who frequent places that have more mature providers ie; Kison, CHM: what if the providers suddenly decided CFS would be the norm, would you still see them even though everything used to be BB? Would it be a deal breaker for some of you or would you still continue to see your ATF, go to girl or favorite knowing they provide good service?
For me it wouldn't. Simply because even though other places may have younger women, more than likely everything will be covered and their service and / or attitude can be lacking (flaky). Since I'm paying for service, I'd rather be with someone who I know provides good / top service over some younger eye-candy who's average. But of course there are exceptions. Not knocking anyone but to each his own. Sorta like selecting a restaurant.
Let's hear your thoughts gentlemen.
AmpAddict808
10-02-13, 02:33
That story, about some person or other has been around for a couple decades (heard it in high school) and had taken place in several different locales (the most common is NY). Urban Legend I believe but there is a source incident which spawned it. Where theres smoke. You know the rest. All barebackers know the risks and or willingly throw caution to the wind. They calculate the odds based on factual data or tribal knowledge and hope / pray / swear that they won't catch anything. Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing barebackers, I only wish I could be so brave or foolish however one chooses to see it. My activities are wrong as it is. I won't increase the fun / drama factor by running the risk of bringing something home pennicilin can't cure and / or burning my SO. A child that plays with fire will do so until he / she gets burned.
RJ.I do believe what my friend told me about his roommate was true. He said he saw the lipstick writing on the mirror. My friend was once in charge of the restaurants at the only 5 diamond hotel here and was not one to tell a big tale.
Viet Whisperer
10-02-13, 03:19
I do believe what my friend told me about his roommate was true. He said he saw the lipstick writing on the mirror. My friend was once in charge of the restaurants at the only 5 diamond hotel here and was not one to tell a big tale.It's an urban legend with many variations.
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/aidsmary.asp
That story, about some person or other has been around for a couple decades (heard it in high school) and had taken place in several different locales (the most common is NY). Urban Legend I believe but there is a source incident which spawned it. Where theres smoke. You know the rest. All barebackers know the risks and or willingly throw caution to the wind. They calculate the odds based on factual data or tribal knowledge and hope / pray / swear that they won't catch anything. Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing barebackers, I only wish I could be so brave or foolish however one chooses to see it. My activities are wrong as it is. I won't increase the fun / drama factor by running the risk of bringing something home pennicilin can't cure and / or burning my SO. A child that plays with fire will do so until he / she gets burned. For some kiddies it make two or three burns to get the message: "Damn! That fire shit hurts! I'm not fuckin with that any more!" Sometimes it takes an incident to dispel misconceptions or myths of invincibility (hurricane Katrina did that for many a coast resident (some fatally so) who had lived through Camille and thought "nothing else could be that bad". All it takes is one tourist from the mainland or abroad or a new provider to introduce a virulent pathogen into our community. Not really an if but a when.
What truly boggles my mind is the number of young bareback providers who take yards of unshielded cock up inside'them for a few extra bucks. Sure the oldies like the birds at Kison don't give a damn. And of course many younger providers have one or several trusted loyal client / s whith whom they share a little BB lovin. But damn, Mayflower, out of the blue has broken the mold and become the latest BB Grand Central Station with youngins as the conductors. Lovely young ladies who will allow most any dirty dick monger to slide up in'them raw, bang to their hearts content and leave their load deep up in'them. No fuss no questions, no health papers, just hand over the money and pump me full. Just for a few extra bucks. So very tempting. Not complaining mind you. It simply boggles my mind and facsinates me to no end. I wonder what kind of indoctrination / incentive MS has runnin over there? Whatever it was that pinay cutie Gianna didn't drink the Kool-Aid and hauled ass.
Bottom line. We all know what we're doing. If you're bangin bareback your just rollin the same set of dice but with higher stakes. Good luck, good nut, and have fun.
RJ.This is a thoughtful respectful discussion RJ. We all hope we don't catch anything. I know that when I started mongering here about 11 yrs. Ago, I would not even consider doing BB, DATY or even kissing any of these girls. Once I found this forum and started reading all the great adventures, I was influenced to participate in the action. After all, I figured if all these mongers are doing it and I don't hear anything about a STD epidemic, that it must be relatively safe. That was obviously flawed reasoning as I picked up a case of genital warts a few years ago. I get tested three or four times a year for STD's now. It is very tempting to go BB with some of these girls and sometimes I still fall off the wagon, but in general try to avoid it. That is why I have a love / hate relationship with this forum. It tempts me to no end when I read a tantalizing report of some wild PSE and have experienced a few myself, but I have to constantly remind myself to take these reports with a grain of salt and try to resist the temptation. This is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. I do appreciate the frank discussion here about the odds of picking up STD's without a lot of finger pointing, flaming or drama. I am surprised that more mongers don't report picking up diseases, but then again it is not something we want to advertise.
Just throwing this out to see what kind of response it gets.
For those of you who frequent places that have more mature providers ie; Kison, CHM: what if the providers suddenly decided CFS would be the norm, would you still see them even though everything used to be BB? Would it be a deal breaker for some of you or would you still continue to see your ATF, go to girl or favorite knowing they provide good service?
For me it wouldn't. Simply because even though other places may have younger women, more than likely everything will be covered and their service and / or attitude can be lacking (flaky). Since I'm paying for service, I'd rather be with someone who I know provides good / top service over some younger eye-candy who's average. But of course there are exceptions. Not knocking anyone but to each his own. Sorta like selecting a restaurant.
Let's hear your thoughts gentlemen.I know for me I would not do any girl at CHM or Kison with a condom. They are all just too old. Sorry, but it is the age deal with me. So yea it is a deal breaker with me. When I go to CHM or Kison I EXPECT to get it all BB. If I don't I tell the mamas at Kison / CHM to send me another chick. That is just the way it is there. And I think the mamas at CHM and Kison know it inside their conscience. Otherwise those two places wouldn't have nowhere near the business that they do.
For young chicks at other AMP's I will make exceptions and wear a condom (that I always bring) because it is usually much easier to maintain a boner with a hot young girl and then the condom doesn't matter that much. Now if the young chick gives shitty service then even BB won't help. The ultimate is to find a young hot chick that gives BB. We all want that!
RickJames808
10-02-13, 09:07
AMP,
I believe you when you say your friend told you this. Its where the source material originated which I ponder. I have heard variation of this since the late 80's and early 90's. Definitely had an influence on my earliest mongering activities.
RJ.
I do believe what my friend told me about his roommate was true. He said he saw the lipstick writing on the mirror. My friend was once in charge of the restaurants at the only 5 diamond hotel here and was not one to tell a big tale.
ClintonPortis
10-02-13, 12:20
This is a thoughtful respectful discussion RJ. We all hope we don't catch anything. I know that when I started mongering here about 11 yrs. Ago, I would not even consider doing BB, DATY or even kissing any of these girls. Once I found this forum and started reading all the great adventures, I was influenced to participate in the action. After all, I figured if all these mongers are doing it and I don't hear anything about a STD epidemic, that it must be relatively safe. That was obviously flawed reasoning as I picked up a case of genital warts a few years ago. I get tested three or four times a year for STD's now. It is very tempting to go BB with some of these girls and sometimes I still fall off the wagon, but in general try to avoid it. That is why I have a love / hate relationship with this forum. It tempts me to no end when I read a tantalizing report of some wild PSE and have experienced a few myself, but I have to constantly remind myself to take these reports with a grain of salt and try to resist the temptation. This is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. I do appreciate the frank discussion here about the odds of picking up STD's without a lot of finger pointing, flaming or drama. I am surprised that more mongers don't report picking up diseases, but then again it is not something we want to advertise.Some mongers probably don't want to admit they have them.
But also, many BB mongers carry diseases. They just don't know it until they actually get tested. Every one of those STDs can be asymptomatic. You would never know you were exposed until you actually get tested or it's too late. Up to 75 percent of HSV cases are asymptomatic, which is probably why it is so prevalent. HPV which causes genital warts and oral cancer particularly in men I think is even more prevalent. Most of these STDS arent fatal of course. But if you plan on ever having a real relationship with someone, getting married, family, etc, these things could be a dealbreaker. Of course, if you've actually given up on life and don't care about meeting the "one", it doesn't really matter I guess. LOL.
AmpAddict808
10-02-13, 13:43
AMP,
I believe you when you say your friend told you this. Its where the source material originated which I ponder. I have heard variation of this since the late 80's and early 90's. Definitely had an influence on my earliest mongering activities.
RJ.RJ, no worries. Thanks for your consideration.
Honolulu808
10-02-13, 13:44
Just throwing this out to see what kind of response it gets.
For those of you who frequent places that have more mature providers ie; Kison, CHM: what if the providers suddenly decided CFS would be the norm, would you still see them even though everything used to be BB? Would it be a deal breaker for some of you or would you still continue to see your ATF, go to girl or favorite knowing they provide good service?
For me it wouldn't. Simply because even though other places may have younger women, more than likely everything will be covered and their service and / or attitude can be lacking (flaky). Since I'm paying for service, I'd rather be with someone who I know provides good / top service over some younger eye-candy who's average. But of course there are exceptions. Not knocking anyone but to each his own. Sorta like selecting a restaurant.
Let's hear your thoughts gentlemen.Personally I like to see providers that offers great service, may it be GFE, PSE or just good old fashion sex. I have come to find over the decades of me in this hobby that younger providers lack the experience of offering great service as to older providers that knows how to please their customer.
As for unprotected sex, it's not a deal breaker if condoms is mandatory.
I myself get myself checked every 2 months because of the volume of women I see. State of mind I guess.
If I so see a provider that offers BB I check their cleanliness. Most girls check their customers too.
Girls tends to go BB because of the volume of guys that they see per day. Popular providers can see 10-14+ customers a day and they opt for no condom because they can't handle that many guys if they used condoms. Skin to rubber factor.
True story, a provider asked my to buy douche for her at Walmart, I asked how much and she said 2 cases. I asked if its for everyone in the places she said no it's just for me. I also had to get 1 case of iodine solution.
AmpAddict808
10-02-13, 13:59
Hate to keep discussing STDs but I do want to point out that the popular AMP providers can see as many as 10-20 mongerers in a day. So even though we can look at statistics for the general population, things are skewed because the BB providers have so much unprotected anonymous sex. We're talking BBFS sex hundreds of times a month so the risk factor with a BBFS provider is much more increased as time goes on for a provider. The saying goes, when you have unprotected sex with a woman, you're sharing with everyone else that's been there.
LocoGrindz
10-03-13, 04:39
Does any of you brothers know which provider (s) allow BBFS.
Other than Lee and Nicole?
Greatly appreciated!
ClintonPortis
10-03-13, 14:12
When a provider, whether BB or safe, goes on "bacay" for a really long time, like 6 months or longer, that could be for a host of different reasons. Travel the world, go see the family, committed to a loverboy temporarily, etc.
But when a BBBJ / BBFS provider goes on "bacay" for 2 weeks to 2 months, my nose twitches and I smell something suspicious. That's the usual time period for certain bodily "issues" to clear up.
Ass Man808
10-03-13, 18:07
Does any of you brothers know which provider (s) allow BBFS.
Other than Lee and Nicole?
Greatly appreciated!Most girls at Kison do BBFS.
When a provider, whether BB or safe, goes on "bacay" for a really long time, like 6 months or longer, that could be for a host of different reasons. Travel the world, go see the family, committed to a loverboy temporarily, etc.
But when a BBBJ / BBFS provider goes on "bacay" for 2 weeks to 2 months, my nose twitches and I smell something suspicious. That's the usual time period for certain bodily "issues" to clear up.I couldn't agree more. I might be over paranoid, but I always thought the same thing.
Aloha bruddahsss,
My first post, but been lurking for awhile.
Planing to POP my "AMP cherry" with NARA at PONGI.
It really makes me nervous, not about FS with provider but LE bust.
I know they did random, but based on your personal experience any advice when (any certain month, day, or time) usually these FIVE O came to AMP?
Big Mahalo for your time.
Most girls at Kison do BBFS.Most of the girls at Crystal Healing Massage will do you BB. There are others around that will do BB after a couple times but you have to work that out yourself. YMMV.
Pau Hana Party
10-08-13, 02:16
Aloha bruddahsss,
My first post, but been lurking for awhile.
Planing to POP my "AMP cherry" with NARA at PONGI.
It really makes me nervous, not about FS with provider but LE bust.
I know they did random, but based on your personal experience any advice when (any certain month, day, or time) usually these FIVE O came to AMP?
Big Mahalo for your time.I've been in an AMP when LE came in, first. As I experienced it. Prior to them coming in, they were already seen on camera. So mama was yelling to the girls that the cops were coming. When the cops came in, I was already dressed and walking down the hall. It seemed that the LE wasn't there for me. An officer asked me for my I'd, and also asked what I was doing there, I told them I was here for massage. They told me to wait and have a seat. They had me hangout for a few minutes, then told me I was free to go. That was a few years ago, at Lavender. I'm sure the proceedure and protocall changed a bit by now. But I can't honestly say it changed to much. good luck, and trust your spidey sense. Play safe. Pau
I've been in an AMP when LE came in, first. As I experienced it. Prior to them coming in, they were already seen on camera. So mama was yelling to the girls that the cops were coming. When the cops came in, I was already dressed and walking down the hall. It seemed that the LE wasn't there for me. An officer asked me for my I'd, and also asked what I was doing there, I told them I was here for massage. They told me to wait and have a seat. They had me hangout for a few minutes, then told me I was free to go. That was a few years ago, at Lavender. I'm sure the proceedure and protocall changed a bit by now. But I can't honestly say it changed to much. good luck, and trust your spidey sense. Play safe. PauMahalo for the info,
What time was it, day or night?
When a provider, whether BB or safe, goes on "bacay" for a really long time, like 6 months or longer, that could be for a host of different reasons. Travel the world, go see the family, committed to a loverboy temporarily, etc.
But when a BBBJ / BBFS provider goes on "bacay" for 2 weeks to 2 months, my nose twitches and I smell something suspicious. That's the usual time period for certain bodily "issues" to clear up.Don't mention it. A girl I took out recently has genital herpes, an incurable virus. Now if she's only been with three guys her whole life, versus AMP girls who are with easily three a day, what are the chances of that coming at you? Online it says 20 percent of the population has genital herpes. So the AMP girl is hitting up perhaps someone with genital herpes once every other day, and perhaps more than once a day. Plus condoms can't stop it as any part of the genitals that rub it can be infected.
A lot of us prefer to be safe. Just make a note of the girls that provide unsafe service and avoid them. Also, you have to understand that a lot of the posts on this forum are just locker room talk. I avoid Kison for that reason and now I may have to cross MF off my list.Its pretty accurate what is written here and what goes on inside for the most part. That being said, I turn down BBFS when offered.
BPittsburg
11-07-13, 12:35
Aloha bruddahsss,
My first post, but been lurking for awhile.
Planing to POP my "AMP cherry" with NARA at PONGI.
It really makes me nervous, not about FS with provider but LE bust.
I know they did random, but based on your personal experience any advice when (any certain month, day, or time) usually these FIVE O came to AMP?
Big Mahalo for your time.I was in an AMP when LE came in at night. I was showering with the girl. No announcement from Mama at that time, just police stating that they were police. The girl I was showering with darted out of the shower like she was on fire. When the cop came to the shower, I had soap all over my body. He said for me to get out. I said I want to finish to shower because I had soap on my body. He was pretty strict, and said get out now. So, finished to rinse anyway. Not like I had a concealed weapon and I was not doing anything wrong, so I pushed the limit a little bit with the officer. He asked which room I was and and followed me. Told me to get dressed and watched the whole time. Then he told me to sit on the couch. At that point the other mongers were there on the couch already (no one I knew). Another officer asked for ID. He asked what I was doing there. I said visiting my gf. He asked for her name. I was a regular with the Vietnamese girl I was with, so I knew her name. I told the officer and he gave a strange look, like I made up the name. So, they pull my record. No warrants and no record, so he told me to leave. I said my keys and my stuff are back in my room. He said just leave it and go. So I waited outside the front while they were exiting and went right back in as they watched.
At first, I was scared out of my mind, but when I was rinsing, I thought, "I am not doing anything wrong here, just visiting and showering." The police were assholes, but I understand that they don't know what kind of situation they are getting into or who will be inside the establishment.
Capn Morgan
11-08-13, 07:00
Its pretty accurate what is written here and what goes on inside for the most part. That being said, I turn down BBFS when offered.I always ask for a cover and get a kick of how the girls who typically do bareback respond. "Oh baby, I got so turned on I almost forgot!
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What are the safest AMP locations to avoid LE? I would think CC would be the safest because it's a highrise building and you can see them coming beforehand with a simple security system i.e. someone such as the parking attendant at the gate warning MS if LE is approaching. Any other thoughts?
Closetperv
11-09-13, 18:49
What are the safest AMP locations to avoid LE? I would think CC would be the safest because it's a highrise building and you can see them coming beforehand with a simple security system i.e. someone such as the parking attendant at the gate warning MS if LE is approaching. Any other thoughts?To be honest any AMP with video cameras outside, a steel door at the entrance, and private rooms that lock is safe enough. When the police come to do a "raid" the MS usually picks up on their arrival way before, or sees them on the cameras and yells to all the girls to get dressed. The steel door, it they have one gives you an additional few minutes. Once they are inside, the locked door to the private rooms give you a little more time, because since it is more of a health and welfare check and not drugs they can't go kicking them down. I usually just lay my clothes in a neat stack so that they are easy to put back on if that ever happens when I'm there. If you're really worried about it I would say the places at CC are the best to go to, because I've never heard of them being raided.
To be honest any AMP with video cameras outside, a steel door at the entrance, and private rooms that lock is safe enough. When the police come to do a "raid" the MS usually picks up on their arrival way before, or sees them on the cameras and yells to all the girls to get dressed. The steel door, it they have one gives you an additional few minutes. Once they are inside, the locked door to the private rooms give you a little more time, because since it is more of a health and welfare check and not drugs they can't go kicking them down. I usually just lay my clothes in a neat stack so that they are easy to put back on if that ever happens when I'm there. If you're really worried about it I would say the places at CC are the best to go to, because I've never heard of them being raided.Oh, CC has been raided before. TH Hawaiian and Mayflower--just two small examples. I would say CC is one of the most likely to get raided and that is because the residents in the building are aware and sometimes complain.
Bench Warmer
01-08-14, 18:25
I just got through a check up at the diamond head clinic. They swabbed me and that shit hurts. They did two swabs and the second one was worse than the first. The good news is that it came back negative so I only have to wait for the blood test. I bet the guy in the next room was listening to me swearing up a storm. Next time I'm going to insist on just doing the urine sample. I'm all traumatized now.
You said that right! I have had to piss out kidney stones before, that is pretty bad, but that swabbing they do at the testing places is got to be the absolute WORST!
I just got through a check up at the diamond head clinic. They swabbed me and that shit hurts. They did two swabs and the second one was worse than the first. The good news is that it came back negative so I only have to wait for the blood test. I bet the guy in the next room was listening to me swearing up a storm. Next time I'm going to insist on just doing the urine sample. I'm all traumatized now.
I went there last month and was pricked on the finger and urinated in cup. Wasn't offered the swab.is that way have a more accurate result?
I went there last month and was pricked on the finger and urinated in cup. Wasn't offered the swab.is that way have a more accurate result?It's just another way of testing. It will vary based on your symptoms and what you tell the doctor. In your case, the Dr decided that the finger prick and urine test was the ideal test for you. The more info you tell the Dr it can help determine which test will be ideal for you.
Bench Warmer
01-09-14, 20:04
I've been passing small stones lately so when asked I said I had urethral irritation and that prompted the swab. Just tell them you don't have symptoms and they will give you there urine and blood tests instead. The silver lining it's that I don't have to wait two weeks for results. They told new my swab was clean right there. Super scared to piss after that though but after a couple off hours it was ok. So now I know that I'm not lying when I tell girls I'm DDF! Chee huu!
But just warning, the swab its no joke. Fucker stung like a mofo.
Thanks for the info. I didn't know about the swab before, although it hurt at least you got an answer that day and not a week or two later which to me got really nerve racking!
I've been passing small stones lately so when asked I said I had urethral irritation and that prompted the swab. Just tell them you don't have symptoms and they will give you there urine and blood tests instead. The silver lining it's that I don't have to wait two weeks for results. They told new my swab was clean right there. Super scared to piss after that though but after a couple off hours it was ok. So now I know that I'm not lying when I tell girls I'm DDF! Chee huu!
But just warning, the swab its no joke. Fucker stung like a mofo.When they use the swab method, you have to have to wait about 10 working days for the results.
I've visited that place four times. Each time, they used the swab method. After the swabbing, the technician asked me to wait about 15 minutes while he did a "preliminary" check of the specimen. I was given an anonymous I'd number and told to call back in about 10 working days for the "final" results.
If you're getting tested for aids, you got to wait 3 months after the event in which you think you got it or suspect it. So say you had unprotected sex today. You need to wait 3 months to get your finger pricked to find out if you have anything.
You also can't test for genital warts and herpies... Once you see symptoms, you can see your dermatologist and you can either burn them off or have a biopsy done for you... Your choice...
I just know, it's an awful feeling when you suspect you got something or when you find out you have something. That's why, save yourselves the stress and use protection! Train yourself and get use to it! Condoms will help you last longer too, which I know most of you guys try too! That's why a lot of guys go drinking first right? Or pop V??
Goodluck and stay safe!
YG.
I just got through a check up at the diamond head clinic. They swabbed me and that shit hurts. They did two swabs and the second one was worse than the first. The good news is that it came back negative so I only have to wait for the blood test. I bet the guy in the next room was listening to me swearing up a storm. Next time I'm going to insist on just doing the urine sample. I'm all traumatized now.I did the swab once for an ex FB, (even though I knew I was clean) and you're right, I was traumatized as well for weeks. I yelled at her and vowed never again will I do that for any female. Never.
I did the swab once for an ex FB, (even though I knew I was clean) and you're right, I was traumatized as well for weeks. I yelled at her and vowed never again will I do that for any female. Never.Diamond head clinic no swab no moa. Das foa gunneria or siffalis or sumptin. Now peeped in one cup good test.
Member #4472
01-15-14, 22:01
Do they require you show I'd? Or medical coverage? Able to give bs name? They say it's all confidential, but on this rock, that would be a first! Friend went to outer island and went to test at state clinic there. Figured no one will know him right? Wrong! Walks in, gal behind the desk is his cousin! What you doing here? Ah, ah, all f $& at ed up!
Secret Agent
01-15-14, 22:40
Do they require you show I'd? Or medical coverage? Able to give bs name? They say it's all confidential, but on this rock, that would be a first! Friend went to outer island and went to test at state clinic there. Figured no one will know him right? Wrong! Walks in, gal behind the desk is his cousin! What you doing here? Ah, ah, all f $& at ed up!It's a free std clinic, no need show insurance card. But you do have to show a valid I'd, no can give bogus name.
Do they require you show I'd? Or medical coverage? Able to give bs name? They say it's all confidential, but on this rock, that would be a first! Friend went to outer island and went to test at state clinic there. Figured no one will know him right? Wrong! Walks in, gal behind the desk is his cousin! What you doing here? Ah, ah, all f $& at ed up!I went there years ago for a test and had a similar experience. The tech who walked in was a classmate. Talk about awkward!
Wow, does it really only take one night for that to kick in? Luckily I don't know because it hasn't happened to me, so could an unfortunate senior confirm?Good point, Lifetime Lurker. Sometimes when mongers contract (or think they may have contracted) an STD, they tend to presume that the most recent provider with whom they've had sexual contact is the provider who caused it (even a provider from less than 24 hours before). Yet that may not be accurate. For example, although symptoms of gonorrhea may appear as early as two days after exposure, on the other hand it may take as long as one month. Similarly, the first symptom of syphilis may appear as early as ten days after exposure, but can also take as long as three months. Genital herpes can remain dormant for years after the infection. So by assuming that the most recent provider was the cause of an STD, a monger may actually be misidentifying an innocent provider.
Good point, Lifetime Lurker. Sometimes when mongers contract (or think they may have contracted) an STD, they tend to presume that the most recent provider with whom they've had sexual contact is the provider who caused it (even a provider from less than 24 hours before). Yet that may not be accurate. For example, although symptoms of gonorrhea may appear as early as two days after exposure, on the other hand it may take as long as one month. Similarly, the first symptom of syphilis may appear as early as ten days after exposure, but can also take as long as three months. Genital herpes can remain dormant for years after the infection. So by assuming that the most recent provider was the cause of an STD, a monger may actually be misidentifying an innocent provider.And since he just did her bb, there is good chance that if he does have a std, this most recent provider has been exposed.
I just got through a check up at the diamond head clinic. They swabbed me and that shit hurts. They did two swabs and the second one was worse than the first. The good news is that it came back negative so I only have to wait for the blood test. I bet the guy in the next room was listening to me swearing up a storm. Next time I'm going to insist on just doing the urine sample. I'm all traumatized now.I concur on the swab shit. Went there three years ago and did that. Damn pecker hurt for a week! I got a new friend and she wants me to get tested just to be safe. Last time I just called the number and gave them the number I was assigned. Is there a way to get the test in hard copy to show my possible SO? Proof that I am clean?
Anyone ever go to the other places listed like Life foundation on Ala moana. The hours there are easier for me to get to.
Aloha OM.
I concur on the swab shit. Went there three years ago and did that. Damn pecker hurt for a week! I got a new friend and she wants me to get tested just to be safe. Last time I just called the number and gave them the number I was assigned. Is there a way to get the test in hard copy to show my possible SO? Proof that I am clean?
Aloha OM.Used to be, you'd have to (or were allowed to) bring your SO in the room with you when your results were read if she wanted to know. I suppose if you put your phone on Speaker that would be similar.
I concur on the swab shit. Went there three years ago and did that. Damn pecker hurt for a week! I got a new friend and she wants me to get tested just to be safe. Last time I just called the number and gave them the number I was assigned. Is there a way to get the test in hard copy to show my possible SO? Proof that I am clean?
Anyone ever go to the other places listed like Life foundation on Ala moana. The hours there are easier for me to get to.
Aloha OM.RE: Post #179, by yours truly. (Scroll down).
Just reading this makes my ding-a-ling sore.
Never again. Never.
I concur on the swab shit. Went there three years ago and did that. Damn pecker hurt for a week! I got a new friend and she wants me to get tested just to be safe. Last time I just called the number and gave them the number I was assigned. Is there a way to get the test in hard copy to show my possible SO? Proof that I am clean?
Anyone ever go to the other places listed like Life foundation on Ala moana. The hours there are easier for me to get to.
Aloha OM.Not long ago, I went to Planned Parenthood on King St to get tested. Paid 25 bucks, if I remember correctly. They use the pee method (personally, I think the swab method is more accurate). It was awkward as the waiting room was full of women, and I was the only male customer there. I felt more comfortable at Diamond Head Clinic.
New Heavy Chev
03-02-14, 13:08
I concur on the swab shit. Went there three years ago and did that. Damn pecker hurt for a week! I got a new friend and she wants me to get tested just to be safe. Last time I just called the number and gave them the number I was assigned. Is there a way to get the test in hard copy to show my possible SO? Proof that I am clean?
Anyone ever go to the other places listed like Life foundation on Ala moana. The hours there are easier for me to get to.
Aloha OM.Life Foundation do strictly hiv test. They tell you result in like 20 minutes after the test. (No blood draw. You just use this Q-tip thing and run it along your gum a couple of times like the CSI). No need I'd (anonymous). I never had to wait more than 5 minutes before I took the test there.
Diamond Head do hiv and gon / chl / syph test. For the hiv no need I'd if I recall right. The latter you need I'd. (It's been like 5 years since I been there. So I don't know if they still do blood draw for hiv and that frickin' Q-tip for the gon / chl / syph test + blood draw). Had some hot chicks in the waiting room last time I went. Oh that's another thing. You got to wait around at Diamond Head. And you need quarters for the parking meter if you park in their parking lot.
Both places are free.
Diamond Head do hiv and gon / chl / syph test. For the hiv no need I'd if I recall right. The latter you need I'd. (It's been like 5 years since I been there. So I don't know if they still do blood draw for hiv and that frickin' Q-tip for the gon / chl / syph test + blood draw). Oh that's another thing. You got to wait around at Diamond Head. And you need quarters for the parking meter if you park in their parking lot..The HIV and STD tests, they ask for I'd and they make a copy of your I'd. If I remember, it's 15 min for 25 cents and if I'm not mistaken, the meter only takes quarters. It's those digital display type meters. It's not the ones you put the coins in and crank it with the knob. Surprising how long I had to wait when it didn't have that much people in the waiting area. It was about 2 and a half hours I was there. You can literally watch an entire movie while waiting.
Did the clinic the other day. Its different compared to three years ago. Didn't have the do the swab Thank God! If you don't have any symptoms, they said the urine test is all they need. They do the pin prick for the instant hiv test and if you agree, they'll draw blood for the syphillis test. Tested neg for hiv.
The other results take 7-10 days and they ask if you want to have it emailed or texted to you. They then contact you and you can go to a site that will show your results.
Still waiting on mine. But I'm doing the test just for my peace of mind. Been clean the other two times I went'. I go every three years just to make sure everything is ok. I would die if my SO got something and then I had to explain how it happened.
I think on the average, most of the providers are clean. The majority of the mongers opt for condoms and that's great. So unless there is some druggie out there with HIV going around BB with all the girls, our hobby is relatively safe. If anyone knows otherwise let us all know. I'd hate to find out someone got something from someone and then we all get it too.
Hinode, what a relief to not do the swap. I can feel you pain. I still remember mine!
Safe mongering guys!
Aloha, OM.
Did the clinic the other day. Its different compared to three years ago. Didn't have the do the swab Thank God! If you don't have any symptoms, they said the urine test is all they need. They do the pin prick for the instant hiv test and if you agree, they'll draw blood for the syphillis test. Tested neg for hiv.
The other results take 7-10 days and they ask if you want to have it emailed or texted to you. They then contact you and you can go to a site that will show your results.
Still waiting on mine. But I'm doing the test just for my peace of mind. Been clean the other two times I went'. I go every three years just to make sure everything is ok. I would die if my SO got something and then I had to explain how it happened.
I think on the average, most of the providers are clean. The majority of the mongers opt for condoms and that's great. So unless there is some druggie out there with HIV going around BB with all the girls, our hobby is relatively safe. If anyone knows otherwise let us all know. I'd hate to find out someone got something from someone and then we all get it too.
Hinode, what a relief to not do the swap. I can feel you pain. I still remember mine!
Safe mongering guys!
Aloha, OM.Oioman--thanks for sharing the info.
Yes, the method of e-mailing or texting the results is very new. I was there just three months ago, and they were still using the old anonymous ID call-back method in 10 working days.
If one has symptoms (i.e., burning, dripping), they'll probably still use the swab vice pee method.
They only give one Syphilis test per year per customer (I suspect because of the cost of the test). So, heaven forbid, if you visit them three times in one year, they will only give you one Syphilis test.
Ref your statement: "I think on the average, most of the providers are clean." Save for a couple of those few AMPs, I once assumed so, too. But I spent time with one hottie who was here for a very short stay at one of the AMPs late last year, and her BBBJ gave me a case of Chlamydia. I never did tip-off anyone here in the forum because she had already left the Island by the time the symptoms appeared.
Remember, if you go to DHC, bring enough quarters to cover at least three hours for the parking meter. And wear your sunglasses because the entrance isn't very discreet.
Did the clinic the other day. Its different compared to three years ago. Didn't have the do the swab Thank God! If you don't have any symptoms, they said the urine test is all they need. They do the pin prick for the instant hiv test and if you agree, they'll draw blood for the syphillis test. Tested neg for hiv.
The other results take 7-10 days and they ask if you want to have it emailed or texted to you. They then contact you and you can go to a site that will show your results. Hinode, what a relief to not do the swap. I can feel you pain. I still remember mine!Braddah Oioman,
What's the cost for the urine, pin prick, and blood test?
My how technology has changed. Glad all future tests will not be painful for the braddahs anymore!!
H.
Braddah Oioman,
What's the cost for the urine, pin prick, and blood test?
My how technology has changed. Glad all future tests will not be painful for the braddahs anymore!!
H.It's free.
Idusixtyning
03-09-14, 05:47
Oioman--thanks for sharing the info.
Ref your statement: "I think on the average, most of the providers are clean." Save for a couple of those few AMPs, I once assumed so, too. But I spent time with one hottie who was here for a very short stay at one of the AMPs late last year, and her BBBJ gave me a case of Chlamydia. I never did tip-off anyone here in the forum because she had already left the Island by the time the symptoms appeared.
I don't think anyone really realizes that a provider's mouth is pretty much the same environment as a vagina for bacteria and viruses to thrive in. Both are warm, moist, and full of nutrients. Personally, I avoid providers that give BBBJ. I wouldn't want to kiss a provider that has had a bunch of BB dicks in her mouth too.
It's free.Much mahalos braddah Blake123. Penises all over Oahu can rejoice from the dreaded swab. *shiver*.
H.
Aloha,
Just thought I would follow through and let you know that the tests all came out negative. I expected it. But its always better to be safe than sorry. The whole thing about getting tested is pretty simple. You just have to be willing to take the time and go to the clinics. I did the Diamond head one. I got lucky and went mid morning and there was no line. Only one other cute girl waiting in the waiting area and as soon as I turned my chart in, they called my number and I had the interview and test.
Unlike the previous times, where I waited forever with a dozen others and then did the dreaded "Swab".
They told me that unless you are having symptoms, they just do the Urine sample. I believe once a year you can have blood drawn for the syphilis test. The HIV test is a pin prick and you get the result the same day.
Before you were assigned a number and had to call in to get your results. Now you fill the form to let them notify you by email or text. I chose text. I got my text with a link about 10 days later and registered on a website and it gave me the results of all the tests they did. All negative.
So if any of you are wondering, spend the short time and you can get tested for free, and have peace of mine till you give in and BB the next time!
Aloha, OM.
DickTracy25
03-26-14, 18:56
Even with her short stay on the island. Just wonder how many guys she exposed with the case of Chamydia? And then the infected guys without any symptoms as yet unnoticed passing it around at AMP. The numbers could be scary hgh, we just never hear as much being reported. Thanks bro Brake for bringing it up.
Oioman--thanks for sharing the info. Ref your statement: "I think on the average, most of the providers are clean." Save for a couple of those few AMPs, I once assumed so, too. But I spent time with one hottie who was here for a very short stay at one of the AMPs late last year, and her BBBJ gave me a case of Chlamydia. I never did tip-off anyone here in the forum because she had already left the Island by the time the symptoms appeared..
The last time my Dr gave me a request form for blood work I asked him to add the HIV test. I took it to the lab and there was no wait, no embarrassment, and no cost. Today I went in for my scheduled exam and was given the cholesterol, sugar, and lipids speech and then informed that I was HIV- . Obamacare paid for it.
Aloha,
Just thought I would follow through and let you know that the tests all came out negative. I expected it. But its always better to be safe than sorry. The whole thing about getting tested is pretty simple. You just have to be willing to take the time and go to the clinics. I did the Diamond head one. I got lucky and went mid morning and there was no line. Only one other cute girl waiting in the waiting area and as soon as I turned my chart in, they called my number and I had the interview and test.
Unlike the previous times, where I waited forever with a dozen others and then did the dreaded "Swab".
They told me that unless you are having symptoms, they just do the Urine sample. I believe once a year you can have blood drawn for the syphilis test. The HIV test is a pin prick and you get the result the same day.
Before you were assigned a number and had to call in to get your results. Now you fill the form to let them notify you by email or text. I chose text. I got my text with a link about 10 days later and registered on a website and it gave me the results of all the tests they did. All negative.
So if any of you are wondering, spend the short time and you can get tested for free, and have peace of mine till you give in and BB the next time!
Aloha, OM.The only thing about getting tested, as I once saw on a sign, is taking into consideration the case of positive HIV test result. The main points it brought up were to the effect of whether could one "handle" being told they tested positive, and whether one had a "support system" available, such as understanding family members, close friends or other strong ties.
Not everyone has that, so getting tested is not so easy a decision; being informed of having such an infection may be unbearable for some.
I'm always glad to hear when members report they get tested regularly and it comes back negative. But, somehow it reminds me of an acquaintance long ago who apparently took the Field Sobriety Test numerous times and always passed, until the one time he didn't pass and was handcuffed. He was distraught and could not understand, being that he always passed the test before.
Don't say you're there for a "massage" because you'll get the girls in trouble for un-licensed massage and you might be a "witness" detained for questioning. Just say you're visiting a friend to talk and relax -- and you were just leaving.That could be cool; or it may generate an interrogation. The officers may try to test the claim of friendship, if nothing else just to snag you in a lie so they can give you more shit, as they will presume one won't know the girl's real name and the girl won't know much about the monger, as IMHO it should be, such as your personally identifying information.
Brother Pau, sounds like you got lucky; they've been known to warn guys to "Not let us catch you again", following a stern yet irritating lecture.
In a different venue, I've seen LE snag a guy whom the BG called-in as her husband, and gave him tons of shit because she of course did not know his birth date, not even the month (their first question by the way).
Regarding the girl's 'safety', is it really better for the girl if she was giving a "body rub" and not a "massage"?
Here's an interesting article:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/PrEP_fact_sheet_final.pdf
Should the government provide the pre-exposure prophylaxis for HIV prevention to all providers and mongers?
Is anyone taking the pre-exposure prophylaxis for HIV prevention?
The protection from HIV is not 100%, but it appear that medical science is getting close. Of course, we now have to worry about antibiotic resistant gonorrhea. Groan...
Hopefully, the BBHJ's will always remain completely safe.
Plan to make sure everything is covered after reading somewhere a fellow monger picked up the unwelcome "G" from a reputable Waikiki AMP. Hmmm, "a reputable Waikiki AMP". Remember, claims that an STD was caught at a particular AMP can be suspect because of incubation time. For example, "G" (gonorrhea) can have an incubation time as short as two days but occasionally as long as two weeks or even a month before the symptoms occur. Yet many guys automatically presume that their most recent woman was the cause of an STD. So if a guy had sex with civilian Slutty Suzy two weeks ago, and had sex with AMP provider Clean Jean three days ago, he may misidentify the real cause of the infection. Of course, I'm not trying to discourage condom use, but rather just pointing out that allegations that an STD was caught at this AMP or that AMP can easily be inaccurate.
Hmmm, "a reputable Waikiki AMP". Remember, claims that an STD was caught at a particular AMP can be suspect because of incubation time. For example, "G" (gonorrhea) can have an incubation time as short as two days but occasionally as long as two weeks or even a month before the symptoms occur. Yet many guys automatically presume that their most recent woman was the cause of an STD. So if a guy had sex with civilian Slutty Suzy two weeks ago, and had sex with AMP provider Clean Jean three days ago, he may misidentify the real cause of the infection. Of course, I'm not trying to discourage condom use, but rather just pointing out that allegations that an STD was caught at this AMP or that AMP can easily be inaccurate.Good report brah, that is why jr always stays cover.
Bench Warmer
09-08-14, 16:03
Hmmm, "a reputable Waikiki AMP". Remember, claims that an STD was caught at a particular AMP can be suspect because of incubation time. For example, "G" (gonorrhea) can have an incubation time as short as two days but occasionally as long as two weeks or even a month before the symptoms occur. Yet many guys automatically presume that their most recent woman was the cause of an STD. So if a guy had sex with civilian Slutty Suzy two weeks ago, and had sex with AMP provider Clean Jean three days ago, he may misidentify the real cause of the infection. Of course, I'm not trying to discourage condom use, but rather just pointing out that allegations that an STD was caught at this AMP or that AMP can easily be inaccurate.Reputable Waikiki AMP? Implying Empire? I think the last BB Queen was Kayla and I had her right before she left a few months ago. Did the Diamond Head clinic testing 3 weeks ago and all negative. So I'm calling BS. I would think that if one girl gets an std then it would turn into a wide spread outbreak amongst all of the girls. Not here though. If true (BIG IF) then he probably got it somewhere else. Hope he's not spreading it. BTW, if you want to avoid waiting for long time at DH clinic then show up before 10.
Also went to Life Foundation for the 15 minute HIV test and came back negative.
All services are free and confidential so no reason not to get tested. If anything go for the free condoms and lube.
Reputable Waikiki AMP? Implying Empire? I think the last BB Queen was Kayla and I had her right before she left a few months ago. Did the Diamond Head clinic testing 3 weeks ago and all negative. So I'm calling BS. I would think that if one girl gets an std then it would turn into a wide spread outbreak amongst all of the girls. Not here though. If true (BIG IF) then he probably got it somewhere else. Hope he's not spreading it. BTW, if you want to avoid waiting for long time at DH clinic then show up before 10.
Also went to Life Foundation for the 15 minute HIV test and came back negative.
All services are free and confidential so no reason not to get tested. If anything go for the free condoms and lube.I've been to DH Clinic and Life Foundation and found them to be fast and confidential.
Yes get the free condoms.
I've been to DH Clinic and Life Foundation and found them to be fast and confidential.
Yes get the free condoms.Many may disagree with my approach, but I keep a stock of antibiotics, such as cipro, doxycycline and zithromax at home just in case. It seems like the smart thing to do. I still utilize testing at my clinic if there is a scare, but its mainly to ensure I'm clean after treatment. Seems like the smart thing to do if you recognize your symptoms. Am I the only here who does this?
BPittsburg
09-09-14, 17:12
As you can see, many fellow mongers know about Life Foundation. Junko was nice enough to turn me on to that place. Now, I go every 2 months for checkup. And. They give free condoms.
Very friendly staff, too.
HappyRabbit
09-09-14, 18:35
Reputable Waikiki AMP? Implying Empire? I think the last BB Queen was Kayla and I had her right before she left a few months ago. Did the Diamond Head clinic testing 3 weeks ago and all negative. So I'm calling BS. I would think that if one girl gets an std then it would turn into a wide spread outbreak amongst all of the girls. Not here though. If true (BIG IF) then he probably got it somewhere else. Hope he's not spreading it. BTW, if you want to avoid waiting for long time at DH clinic then show up before 10.
Also went to Life Foundation for the 15 minute HIV test and came back negative.
All services are free and confidential so no reason not to get tested. If anything go for the free condoms and lube.I was told about the Life Foundation about a year ago by Jennifer of Hanazono. I have been going every three months ever since for peace of mind. And the free condoms! They even have the thin ones. In this time and age we need to be careful.
Lonely Smiles
09-10-14, 01:13
As you can see, many fellow mongers know about Life Foundation. Junko was nice enough to turn me on to that place. Now, I go every 2 months for checkup. And. They give free condoms.
Very friendly staff, too.Life Foundation is just HIV testing though, ya? Still DHC for the more common STDs, or am I mistaken?
Bench Warmer
09-10-14, 13:43
Life Foundation is just HIV testing though, ya? Still DHC for the more common STDs, or am I mistaken?You are correct.
Life Foundation for HIV.
DH for gonorrhea, syphilis, and chlamydia.
You are correct.
Life Foundation for HIV.
DH for gonorrhea, syphilis, and chlamydia.DH also does HIV testing. At least they were doing it about six months ago.
SoloMission
09-26-14, 06:22
Many may disagree with my approach, but I keep a stock of antibiotics, such as cipro, doxycycline and zithromax at home just in case. It seems like the smart thing to do. I still utilize testing at my clinic if there is a scare, but its mainly to ensure I'm clean after treatment. Seems like the smart thing to do if you recognize your symptoms. Am I the only here who does this?I thought these antibiotics were prescription only. Can you get them over the counter?? Online??
AmpAddict808
09-27-14, 11:27
Many may disagree with my approach, but I keep a stock of antibiotics, such as cipro, doxycycline and zithromax at home just in case. It seems like the smart thing to do. I still utilize testing at my clinic if there is a scare, but its mainly to ensure I'm clean after treatment. Seems like the smart thing to do if you recognize your symptoms. Am I the only here who does this?
I thought these antibiotics were prescription only. Can you get them over the counter?? Online??Maybe he works in a drugstore and gets his supply there. A doctor friend told me that frequently taking antibiotics could leave only resistant bacteria to grow in you. He also told me that now a days it is recommended that you get an antibiotic shot for gonorrhea because some types are resistant to the drugs you take by mouth.
Lonely Smiles
09-27-14, 22:02
Maybe he works in a drugstore and gets his supply there. A doctor friend told me that frequently taking antibiotics could leave only resistant bacteria to grow in you. He also told me that now a days it is recommended that you get an antibiotic shot for gonorrhea because some types are resistant to the drugs you take by mouth.Yep, according to Doctors at the Diamond Head Clinic, the drug resistant strain of gonorrhea is much more prevalent in Japan at the moment. However, with these things, it is only a matter of time for it to spread if people are not careful. The bacteria develop resistance from people not properly completing antibiotic regimes. At DHC they now administer a large shot to the hindquarters if you have a suspected gonorrhea infection and then tell you to wait a minimum of 7 days before having any kind of sexual contact. The shot only clears the current infection. Unfortunately, it does nothing to prevent you from being reinfected. No get out of jail free cards =/.
Oh and here is another super fun fact: you can actually get a gonorrhea infection in your throat from oral sex. The bacteria thrive in warm wet environments. What evolutionary purpose do STDs serve? fucking ridiculous.
http://m.cdc.gov/en/HealthSafetyTopics/DiseasesConditions/STDs/gonorrheaFS#a2
If you get symptoms, always go get it checked. Itching, burning, and especially any kind of discharge. Gonorrhea discharge is typically colored. Untreated, you will start leaking like a faucet, staining everything. But Chlamydia discharge can look clear almost like "pre-cum" and may have relatively benign symptoms; or in some cases be completely asymptomatic. Part of why it spreads so easily.
Stay safe.
Yep, according to Doctors at the Diamond Head Clinic, the drug resistant strain of gonorrhea is much more prevalent in Japan at the moment. However, with these things, it is only a matter of time for it to spread if people are not careful. The bacteria develop resistance from people not properly completing antibiotic regimes. At DHC they now administer a large shot to the hindquarters if you have a suspected gonorrhea infection and then tell you to wait a minimum of 7 days before having any kind of sexual contact. The shot only clears the current infection. Unfortunately, it does nothing to prevent you from being reinfected. No get out of jail free cards =/.
Oh and here is another super fun fact: you can actually get a gonorrhea infection in your throat from oral sex. The bacteria thrive in warm wet environments. What evolutionary purpose do STDs serve? fucking ridiculous.
http://m.cdc.gov/en/HealthSafetyTopics/DiseasesConditions/STDs/gonorrheaFS#a2
If you get symptoms, always go get it checked. Itching, burning, and especially any kind of discharge. Gonorrhea discharge is typically colored. Untreated, you will start leaking like a faucet, staining everything. But Chlamydia discharge can look clear almost like "pre-cum" and may have relatively benign symptoms; or in some cases be completely asymptomatic. Part of why it spreads so easily.
Stay safe.Just to keep the mongers informed, I caught a case of Chlamydia from a hot Thai provider last year. It was from a BBBJ. The only symptom was a slight painful urination. No discharge at all. She was visiting for only a few days, so symptoms didn't surface until after she left here. I went to Diamond Head Clinic and was given two pills that quickly cleared the infection. First time I have caught anything like that here in Hawaii.
If you think you might of caught HIV, you can't confirm it until 3 months after. So there's no point in getting tested the next day after you've had sex without someone you had doubts about.
Herpes and genital warts go undetected because there really isn't a free test for them at the clinics. You'll have to ask for and probably pay for a blood test at a regular doctor. When you're not using protection, there's a really good chance that you'll catch one of the two and not know it for years.
Stay safe and wrap it up!
Herpes and genital warts go undetected because there really isn't a free test for them at the clinics. You'll have to ask for and probably pay for a blood test at a regular doctor. When you're not using protection, there's a really good chance that you'll catch one of the two and not know it for years.
Stay safe and wrap it up!This girl I knew long time ago, she told me her younger cousin caught herpes from this military guy she eventually met from online. First time popping her cherry and she got herpes. That's messed up. First time doing it and already catch something.
This girl I knew long time ago, she told me her younger cousin caught herpes from this military guy she eventually met from online. First time popping her cherry and she got herpes. That's messed up. First time doing it and already catch something.Ya. It ain't all bad with Herpes and G Warts though. They only show up once in a great while.
(This recent medical study didn't focus on prostitutes who have continual sexual contact with numerous customers, but perhaps they would have an even higher HPV rate than the general female population.)
Study Shows Men Can Get Oral HPV Infection From Women.
Virus could put men at raised risk for throat cancers, researchers say.
Men are at increased risk for oral human papillomavirus (HPV) infection if their female sex partners have oral and / or genital HPV infections, a new study shows.
The findings suggest that HPV transmission occurs through both oral-oral and oral-genital routes, according to the authors of the study.
"HPV is the most common sexually transmitted disease in the world and is a risk factor for several cancers, including cervical, vaginal, vulvar, oropharyngeal (throat / tonsil), anal and penile cancers," lead researcher Eduardo Franco said in a news release from the American Association for Cancer Research. Franco is director of the division of cancer epidemiology and chairman of the department of oncology at McGill University in Montreal.
"Understanding how HPV is transmitted is important because it will help us identify who is most at risk for HPV infection and how we can help them protect themselves and their partners," he explained. "Our work provides additional evidence that HPV is sexually transmitted to the oral tract through oral-oral and oral-genital contact".
For the study, the researchers looked at 222 men and their female partners, and found that the overall rate of oral HPV infection among the men was just over 7 percent. Rates were higher among those who had a female sex partner with oral HPV infection (nearly 29 percent) and / or genital HPV infection (11.5 percent), had multiple sex partners (18 percent), or were smokers (12 percent).
Of the 222 men in the study, 130 had a sex partner with a genital HPV infection, the investigators found.
The rate of infection with HPV16, one of the types most associated with cancer risk, was about 2 percent among all the men in the study and 6 percent among the 33 men whose sex partners had genital HPV16 infection.
The more often men performed oral sex on their partner, the more likely they were to be infected with the type of HPV present in the genitals of that partner, the study authors noted in the news release.
There were no HPV infections among the 52 men who never smoked, were in single-partner relationships and whose partner was free of oral or genital HPV, according to the report.
The study findings were published on Nov. 12 in the journal Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention.
The Canadian Institutes for Health Research, the United States National Institutes of Health, and Merck & Co. (maker of Gardasil) funded the study.
Lonely Smiles
11-12-14, 18:30
(This recent medical study didn't focus on prostitutes who have continual sexual contact with numerous customers, but perhaps they would have an even higher HPV rate than the general female population.)
Study Shows Men Can Get Oral HPV Infection From Women.
It's an interesting study. I speculate that for the serial monger, over a long enough time frame, our chances of contracting HPV are very high. I know Michael Douglas was famously quoted for effectively saying, "I got throat cancer from eating too much vag. ".
Definitely huge risks with this hobby. I've only been mongering for a little over 1 year and I've already had my first major STD after frequenting bare back places for a period of time. Gonorrhea. Luckily it was easily treated with antibiotics, and I've stayed clean since by avoiding BBFS.
As for HPV, I think this falls into a category like telling an alcoholic about the long term effects of too much alcohol; all of the eventual carcinogentic consequences. Nothing is free, we pay for our sins eventually, so to speak.
It's an interesting study. I speculate that for the serial monger, over a long enough time frame, our chances of contracting HPV are very high. I know Michael Douglas was famously quoted for effectively saying, "I got throat cancer from eating too much vag. ".
Definitely huge risks with this hobby. I've only been mongering for a little over 1 year and I've already had my first major STD after frequenting bare back places for a period of time. Gonorrhea. Luckily it was easily treated with antibiotics, and I've stayed clean since by avoiding BBFS.
As for HPV, I think this falls into a category like telling an alcoholic about the long term effects of too much alcohol; all of the eventual carcinogentic consequences. Nothing is free, we pay for our sins eventually, so to speak.Yups I've read about it also getting cancer in the throat. I did go to the diamond head clinic once just to check myself out and everything was clean. The lady there said it is rare to catch an std from oral sex but from reading this forum, seems to be the contrary. The worst symtoms I've ever had was sore throat after seeing a provider but it usually went away after two days. And I always turn down bbfs anytime its offered. Only did it once with a provider and that was me taking a risk after knowing her for several months and all reviews never even hinting at anything close to that.
HawaiiGuy23
12-08-14, 13:08
Yups I've read about it also getting cancer in the throat. I did go to the diamond head clinic once just to check myself out and everything was clean. The lady there said it is rare to catch an std from oral sex but from reading this forum, seems to be the contrary. The worst symtoms I've ever had was sore throat after seeing a provider but it usually went away after two days. And I always turn down bbfs anytime its offered. Only did it once with a provider and that was me taking a risk after knowing her for several months and all reviews never even hinting at anything close to that.What's the general consensus on covered everything with dfk? Anyone catch anything from that? What about BBBJ but no daty?
I definitely want to stay clean so I was thinking of sticking to CBJ, no kissing, no FS or cfs at all. What do you guys think?
Lonely Smiles
12-08-14, 17:48
What's the general consensus on covered everything with dfk? Anyone catch anything from that? What about BBBJ but no daty?
I definitely want to stay clean so I was thinking of sticking to CBJ, no kissing, no FS or cfs at all. What do you guys think?I would start with an understanding of transmission, risk factors and treatments. What it boils down to is the risk you are willing to take or potentially expose a partner to. We all know how risky BBFS is, especially when it is not with a monogamous partner. Opinions will range across the spectrum, so I would not necessarily rely on consensus.
Oral sex has fewer risk factors and DFK definitely has fewer risk factors, but you can still transmit and contract certain STDs like Chlamydia through oral sex and HSV-1(one version of herpes, HSV-2 is generally genital to genital contact) through both kissing and oral sex.
Educate yourself on the facts and make a personal decision about how much you are willing to risk. At least most of the bacterial infections are relatively easily treated, with the exception of antibiotic resistant strains of gonorrhea. I generally fear viral STDs more. Then again, certain viruses like HPV are both extremely common and relatively benign, while HIV is everyones worst fear.
Here is a good starting point, Center for Disease Control STD fact sheets:
http://www.cdc.gov/std/
Also here is a solid reference on herpes since you brought up kissing:
http://medweb.mit.edu/wellness/programs/herpes.html
Remember, you can get an opinion, but you must be willing to live with the consequences. I've had a bacterial STD(gonorrhea) in the past from BBFS, no one to blame but myself. And it was extremely unpleasant, yet cleared up within 1 week of being treated at the Diamond Head Clinic.
One final note, as you can tell from my post history, with all of the above taken into consideration, being a single guy in Honolulu for now, I regularly partake in DFK, DATY, DATO, cfs etc. I do so aware of the risk, and willing to deal with potential consequences. Safe mongering.
Idusixtyning
12-08-14, 23:02
What's the general consensus on covered everything with dfk? Anyone catch anything from that? What about BBBJ but no daty?
I definitely want to stay clean so I was thinking of sticking to CBJ, no kissing, no FS or cfs at all. What do you guys think?Going BB is always a crapshoot with anyone, even with non-providers. For me, AMPs are for fucking and the visual. Find the condoms that work for you. There's even a chance of getting HPV or herpes even while using a condom during intercourse. Those are things that stay with you for life. The more serious stuff are Hepatitis B or C, and HIV that can end your life. I can't see going BBFSCIP with a provider that took loads from previous customers. Can't only be lube that's keeping her pussy moist.
BBBJ is still some risk. The oral cavity is like a vagina, a warm and moist environment for bacteria and viruses to live in. I can't see kissing a provider that just gave BBBJCIM beforehand to another dude.
I've always avoided providers that give BBBJ or BBFS as part of their services. The BB and kissing stuff I save for a GF or SO. Same for DATY. I suggest playing it on the safer side because you never know when a real GF situation may start up with someone you meet. There ain't no time to get tested when a relationship starts up and you get sexually involved. Of course, if you have no intention of any relationship and just want to have sex with various providers, then I guess you can increase your risk taking.
I definitely want to stay clean so I was thinking of sticking to CBJ, no kissing, no FS or cfs at all. What do you guys think?Sounds like a good idea if you don't mind that. The less things you do, the lower the chances.
Stick with providers who are known only for all covered. This way, you don't get tempted.
Yups I've read about it also getting cancer in the throat. I did go to the diamond head clinic once just to check myself out and everything was clean. The lady there said it is rare to catch an std from oral sex but from reading this forum, seems to be the contrary. The worst symtoms I've ever had was sore throat after seeing a provider but it usually went away after two days. And I always turn down bbfs anytime its offered. Only did it once with a provider and that was me taking a risk after knowing her for several months and all reviews never even hinting at anything close to that.Was it that skinny mokey chick? I saw her; I don't think she knows what the hell she's talking about; or else she's trying to sabotage guys. When I looked into her eyes, I saw an angry spiteful person.
Bench Warmer
12-09-14, 05:55
Was it that skinny mokey chick? I saw her; I don't think she knows what the hell she's talking about; or else she's trying to sabotage guys. When I looked into her eyes, I saw an angry spiteful person.There's also a nice 20 something year old Chinese-Filipino mix looking girl there. I thought she was cute. I did get a skinny Hawaiian girl one time that was kinda bitchy. She was pregnant at the time. This was about 4 or 5 years ago.
Hornysamowen
12-09-14, 08:18
What's the general consensus on covered everything with dfk? Anyone catch anything from that? What about BBBJ but no daty?
I definitely want to stay clean so I was thinking of sticking to CBJ, no kissing, no FS or cfs at all. What do you guys think?Abstinance or something like it. I would recommened that you stick with that, its almost 100 percent because you might still catch a cold or flu or something.
What's the general consensus on covered everything with dfk? Anyone catch anything from that? What about BBBJ but no daty?
I definitely want to stay clean so I was thinking of sticking to CBJ, no kissing, no FS or cfs at all. What do you guys think?A HJ is completely safe. Or is it?
A HJ is completely safe. Or is it?Unless the persons hand has a cut and is bleeding and your private area has a fresh cut than it would pose a problem. Really rare case though that's likely to happen but, still possible for it to happen.
Was it that skinny mokey chick? I saw her; I don't think she knows what the hell she's talking about; or else she's trying to sabotage guys. When I looked into her eyes, I saw an angry spiteful person.Sorry dude, I can't remember.
Member #4713
04-05-15, 16:40
So I took the plunge and ended up going BBFS for the first time. Well, not really, but the first time with a known BBFS provider. I've done BBFS with three or four providers previously, but none of them were known to provide it. Not sure if it's correct or not, but I figured the chances of getting an STI from a provider that is not known to provide BBFS to everyone is less than getting an STI from a known BBFS provider. My BBFS provider this time was Connie over at Kison. After reading the reports about her looks and body type, I like them thick, and after seeing her pictures in the ads, I just had to head down there and check it out. The thought of sliding my dick into a beautiful woman without a condom on was just too much. I figured that if I got there and didn't care for her looks or if she insisted on the condom since it was my first time with her, then I'd just go with the condom without regrets. Well I got there and met her and found her attractive and thought "oh shit, I might be in trouble". We start making out and we're grinding away, junior rubbing up against her pussy, oh oh. Then after a nice BJ I climb on and slide junior right in, oh shit, now I've gone and done it. Thinking about it now, I wonder why she offers BBFS. I know she's not that young, but she still looks good to me and I think she could still get clients without offering BBFS. In fact, I might see her again and ask for the condom. Nah, I probably won't see her again unless I'm willing to go BBFS because my will-power sucks. Anyway, it's always the same with me after going BBFS, I get paranoid about everything, "what's that itching", "is that a slight burning when I take a piss", etc. It was about time for me to get tested again anyway. I'll wait a few months before getting tested since I think the HIV results are more accurate after a few months, then I'll probably get tested again in six months. When you guys get tested, is it usually just the basic tests at Diamond Head or do you get tested for everything? First time I got tested, I went to Diamond Head and found out that they didn't test for Herpes and Hepatitis, so I headed over to Waikiki Health Clinic and got the additional tests. The shitty part is that even though you have insurance, I don't think the additional tests are covered since they are not recommended by the CDC or some other health standards. I just pay those out of pocket. For guys that are new to this hobby, especially those with SO's, I would recommend getting tested for everything before you start mongering or early on so you have a baseline or starting point. However, just know that for the Herpes tests, the only result that may mean anything is being clear of both HSV-1 and HSV-2 because even if you test positive for one or both, you won't know if it's oral or genital or both unless you have outbreaks, which most people don't. Anyway, just babbling to try and get rid of some of my anxiety. Was it worth it? Well, I did find Connie attractive and had a very good time while it lasted, so I guess it depends how my tests come back.
So I took the plunge and ended up going BBFS for the first time. Well, not really, but the first time with a known BBFS provider. I've done BBFS with three or four providers previously, but none of them were known to provide it. Not sure if it's correct or not, but I figured the chances of getting an STI from a provider that is not known to provide BBFS to everyone is less than getting an STI from a known BBFS provider. My BBFS provider this time was Connie over at Kison. After reading the reports about her looks and body type, I like them thick, and after seeing her pictures in the ads, I just had to head down there and check it out. The thought of sliding my dick into a beautiful woman without a condom on was just too much. I figured that if I got there and didn't care for her looks or if she insisted on the condom since it was my first time with her, then I'd just go with the condom without regrets. Well I got there and met her and found her attractive and thought "oh shit, I might be in trouble". We start making out and we're grinding away, junior rubbing up against her pussy, oh oh. Then after a nice BJ I climb on and slide junior right in, oh shit, now I've gone and done it. Thinking about it now, I wonder why she offers BBFS. I know she's not that young, but she still looks good to me and I think she could still get clients without offering BBFS. In fact, I might see her again and ask for the condom. Nah, I probably won't see her again unless I'm willing to go BBFS because my will-power sucks. Anyway, it's always the same with me after going BBFS, I get paranoid about everything, "what's that itching", "is that a slight burning when I take a piss", etc. It was about time for me to get tested again anyway. I'll wait a few months before getting tested since I think the HIV results are more accurate after a few months, then I'll probably get tested again in six months. When you guys get tested, is it usually just the basic tests at Diamond Head or do you get tested for everything? First time I got tested, I went to Diamond Head and found out that they didn't test for Herpes and Hepatitis, so I headed over to Waikiki Health Clinic and got the additional tests. The shitty part is that even though you have insurance, I don't think the additional tests are covered since they are not recommended by the CDC or some other health standards. I just pay those out of pocket. For guys that are new to this hobby, especially those with SO's, I would recommend getting tested for everything before you start mongering or early on so you have a baseline or starting point. However, just know that for the Herpes tests, the only result that may mean anything is being clear of both HSV-1 and HSV-2 because even if you test positive for one or both, you won't know if it's oral or genital or both unless you have outbreaks, which most people don't. Anyway, just babbling to try and get rid of some of my anxiety. Was it worth it? Well, I did find Connie attractive and had a very good time while it lasted, so I guess it depends how my tests come back.I've had the same thinking as you about having BBFS with girls that are not known for it but found out its just that guys here don't talk about it. I've had BBFS from a bunch of the girls at Empire and thought that my chances of getting anything would be very low due to their age and history of only CFS. Thankfully I didn't "get" anything but did find out that is wasn't uncommon practice for them to provide BBFS. If you are wary about catching anything, just don't do BBFS period!
Member #4713
04-05-15, 20:43
If you are wary about catching anything, just don't do BBFS period!I don't think it's that black and white. I think most guys are "wary", it's just a matter of how wary they are that determines how often and to what degree they decide to participate in this hobby.
I don't think it's that black and white. I think most guys are "wary", it's just a matter of how wary they are that determines how often and to what degree they decide to participate in this hobby.Very interesting topic, I wouldn't mind getting a BBFS providers view on this topic. To what extent they will go? They must be wary too? What drives them to be so risky themselves? Is it the $$, irritation from condoms?
Very interesting topic, I wouldn't mind getting a BBFS providers view on this topic. To what extent they will go? They must be wary too? What drives them to be so risky themselves? Is it the $$, irritation from condoms?What younger (20's) providers have exclaimed to me regarding not using a rubber: "I DONWANNA DIE!" Some were calmer, remarking that they couldn't get pregnant. One lady said if I came in her, she'd keep the baby.
Middle-aged providers generally either had no comment, asked "Why, you clean, right?", or indicated it didn't matter to them. As many members have said, they need to do more to compete with younger girls elsewhere.
SureYourRight
04-06-15, 01:32
Very interesting topic, I wouldn't mind getting a BBFS providers view on this topic. To what extent they will go? They must be wary too? What drives them to be so risky themselves? Is it the $$, irritation from condoms?There is literally tons of reading about this topic from both sides (Google).
Never saw anything about condom irritation, it was more about "I've been making xxxx amount per week, but now that I'm xx old guys don't come like they used to / customers find new girls / etc so to keep making xxxx amount, I had to start doing whatever. I guess once you start pulling in 5 k a week it's hard to go back to 1 or 2 just cause you got a little older.
Member #4747
04-06-15, 03:08
First time I did DATY at an AMP. I don't have any cold sores around or in my mouth. But since yesterday my throat has had a sore feeling. I thought it was just a cold, but now I'm getting paranoid. Has anyone ever had these symptoms after DATY? I'm also experiencing headaches and some sneezing, no mucus though.
Oishinanko
04-06-15, 03:58
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There is literally tons of reading about this topic from both sides (Google).
Never saw anything about condom irritation, it was more about "I've been making xxxx amount per week, but now that I'm xx old guys don't come like they used to / customers find new girls / etc so to keep making xxxx amount, I had to start doing whatever. I guess once you start pulling in 5 k a week it's hard to go back to 1 or 2 just cause you got a little older.Thanks guys! Makes sense, for both parties it's all a risk reward situation.
Thinking about it now, I wonder why she offers BBFS. I know she's not that young, but she still looks good to me and I think she could still get clients without offering BBFS.
Very interesting topic, I wouldn't mind getting a BBFS providers view on this topic. To what extent they will go? They must be wary too? What drives them to be so risky themselves? Is it the $$, irritation from condoms?Although over the years a few providers have told me that they don't like sucking on a rubber and/or that sex feels better or more comfortable without a rubber, in my opinion the primary motivation is financial for the overwhelming majority of those providers who choose to offer the BBFS option. Even if a woman is sufficiently desirable to earn a reasonable income as a mandatory-condom provider, she'll almost certainly attract more first-time customers and repeat customers (and thus make more money) if she offers the BBFS option. (Yes, there are some guys who specifically avoid providers who offer BBFS, but I think there are many more who seek BBFS providers.) For some providers who are regarded as less desirable (older, not very attractive, perhaps a personality deficit, etc.), offering the BBFS option may be an important factor in earning even what they would consider a reasonable amount of income. Of course, BBFS is more risky for both provider and customer, but each individual has the freedom to make his or her own risk/benefit analysis. I remember the late, great comedian Sam Kinison getting lots of laughter by shouting during a live show: "Do we like wearing condoms, guys? Hell no!".
Rotten Otto
04-06-15, 14:18
First time I did DATY at an AMP. I don't have any cold sores around or in my mouth. But since yesterday my throat has had a sore feeling. I thought it was just a cold, but now I'm getting paranoid. Has anyone ever had these symptoms after DATY? I'm also experiencing headaches and some sneezing, no mucus though.Hmmm, seems to me you are suffering from nasopharyngitis. This rare disease is often caught during bouts of DATY or DATO with the same sex (tossing salad, as we MD's refer to it). Drink lots of soup, take 2 aspirins and call me in the morning.
You can leave my $50 fee with the mamasan at Tokyo Spa, I'll be there later today.
Doctor Rott Enotto.
Spartacus77
04-06-15, 19:54
First time I did DATY at an AMP. I don't have any cold sores around or in my mouth. But since yesterday my throat has had a sore feeling. I thought it was just a cold, but now I'm getting paranoid. Has anyone ever had these symptoms after DATY? I'm also experiencing headaches and some sneezing, no mucus though.You're not being paranoid. That's why I always gargle with the mouthwash most of the AMPs provide after if I've DATYed. Then I go home and gargle again (the ones with the germ killing alcohol), maybe a third time if I'm unsure if I killed all those nasty micobes. There is a reason providers sometimes offer only CBJ's. Go see a doctor if it doesn't go away. Better safe than sorry.
Member #4747
04-06-15, 20:57
You're not being paranoid. That's why I always gargle with the mouthwash most of the AMPs provide after if I've DATYed. Then I go home and gargle again (the ones with the germ killing alcohol), maybe a third time if I'm unsure if I killed all those nasty micobes. There is a reason providers sometimes offer only CBJ's. Go see a doctor if it doesn't go away. Better safe than sorry.Will do brother. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks!
First time I did DATY at an AMP. I don't have any cold sores around or in my mouth. But since yesterday my throat has had a sore feeling. I thought it was just a cold, but now I'm getting paranoid. Has anyone ever had these symptoms after DATY? I'm also experiencing headaches and some sneezing, no mucus though.I love to eat pussy and, as a consequence, I've had a very minor sore throat a few times the day after going down on a girl. But it's always cleared up after a day or two. If your sore throat persists for more than 5 days and is severe, I'd see a doctor. And be truthful with him (Don't be embarrassed; he probably eats pussy, too) as to how you caught the sore throat so that he can provide the proper course of treatment.
I've had the same thinking as you about having BBFS with girls that are not known for it but found out its just that guys here don't talk about it. I've had BBFS from a bunch of the girls at Empire and thought that my chances of getting anything would be very low due to their age and history of only CFS. Thankfully I didn't "get" anything but did find out that is wasn't uncommon practice for them to provide BBFS. If you are wary about catching anything, just don't do BBFS period!
You're not being paranoid. That's why I always gargle with the mouthwash most of the AMPs provide after if I've DATYed. Then I go home and gargle again (the ones with the germ killing alcohol), maybe a third time if I'm unsure if I killed all those nasty microbes. There is a reason providers sometimes offer only CBJ's. Go see a doctor if it doesn't go away. Better safe than sorry.I've done BBFS in Europe at FKKs and other types of brothels that advertise this practice. (Recently, Germany started clamping down on the practice and won't allow places to advertise BBFS anymore. But, it's alive & well if you desire.) I'm not half as worried in Europe because sex between consenting adults is legal and, in most countries, the girls are registered sex workers who receive weekly (I think) medical checks. I've only done it once here in the USA And that was with a regular several years ago. I had really hit all her buttons while DATY and she just pulled me head (big one) up to hers, grabbed the plumbing, and stuck it in. Wow -- what an amazing & passionate session that was!
On the subject of DATY, I always have a travel-sized bottle of Listerine in my car. After a session at an AMP where DATY has occurred, I will use a healthy swig and swish it around for at least a minute as soon as I get back to my car. I do this even if they give me a cup of mouthwash after a session. I don't know about anyone else, but I usually wind up with "razor burn" on my tongue if I DATY on a girl who is shaven. The first swig of real Listerine really gets your attention. At least here in DC, I'm finding that more & more of the Asian girls are starting to shave. Hope things turn out OK for you.
You're not being paranoid. That's why I always gargle with the mouthwash most of the AMPs provide after if I've DATYed. Then I go home and gargle againSometimes, they mix the mouthwash with water and you don't get the strong burn feeling of the alcohol. You can tell when the color of the mouthwash looks light.
I love to eat pussy and, as a consequence, I've had a very minor sore throat a few times the day after going down on a girl.I once had a bad case of strep throat from a provider at an AMP on the second floor at Sheridan St. So, that was a long time ago. I haven't encounter a problem since I always ask for a mouthwash.
I didn't ask the doctor if I got it from doing that.
Member #4747
04-08-15, 19:30
First time I did DATY at an AMP. I don't have any cold sores around or in my mouth. But since yesterday my throat has had a sore feeling. I thought it was just a cold, but now I'm getting paranoid. Has anyone ever had these symptoms after DATY? I'm also experiencing headaches and some sneezing, no mucus though.Yesterday I woke up and saw a small white bump on my tonsil. I went in to see a physician, asked him about HSV. He said that I most likely just have a cold, and the tonsils just got inflamed. Tested for strep, but not HSV.
He doubted the HSV because I didn't have anything around, or inside my mouth other than that small white bump.
Looks like I'm still safe, but I still have to beat this cold.
Safe mongering fellas.
The girls at mps aren't stupid. They are not crack hoes. I got to think they get tested at least semi regular. I'm sure they don't want to catch anything either.
I've done BBFS in Europe at FKKs and other types of brothels that advertise this practice. (Recently, Germany started clamping down on the practice and won't allow places to advertise BBFS anymore. But, it's alive & well if you desire.) I'm not half as worried in Europe because sex between consenting adults is legal and, in most countries, the girls are registered sex workers who receive weekly (I think) medical checks. I've only done it once here in the USA And that was with a regular several years ago. I had really hit all her buttons while DATY and she just pulled me head (big one) up to hers, grabbed the plumbing, and stuck it in. Wow -- what an amazing & passionate session that was!
On the subject of DATY, I always have a travel-sized bottle of Listerine in my car. After a session at an AMP where DATY has occurred, I will use a healthy swig and swish it around for at least a minute as soon as I get back to my car. I do this even if they give me a cup of mouthwash after a session. I don't know about anyone else, but I usually wind up with "razor burn" on my tongue if I DATY on a girl who is shaven. The first swig of real Listerine really gets your attention. At least here in DC, I'm finding that more & more of the Asian girls are starting to shave. Hope things turn out OK for you.
Idusixtyning
04-09-15, 13:58
The girls at mps aren't stupid. They are not crack hoes. I got to think they get tested at least semi regular. I'm sure they don't want to catch anything either.Only problem is testing finds out what a provider caught after she caught it. Doesn't prevent an infection. Even the porn industry, with mandatory testing, has had HIV outbreaks. Whatever kittles in someone's cum deposited BB is in a pussy to be shared for the entire day. May not happen here, but all it takes is one mentally sick HIV+ dude with a death wish for everyone.
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