Relationships with Massage Providers

[TwistedBrother]

Not sure if this is the best place for this topic, but looks like it.

I think many of us who have frequented AMPs develop a thing for Korean or other Asian women over time, and I've gotten to the point where I'm actively trying to meet Asian women for long term relationships.

Like many other things, I know there are many options, possibilities, aspects of this scenario, and so on.

I work an intense job from home with long hours, travel a lot, and have recently moved to a new area, so my chances of meeting women of any kind in normal situations are limited. I've used match, cupid and a few other dating sites, and have checked out Asian women on there. Of course I realize that these women will mostly be "different" than massage women, and more like any other ethnic group of women in real life, meaning they will vary as much as any other group of individuals. I can tell that women who indicate they are "Asian" on these sites are from every possible Asian background, and some are much more "American" than others. So I realize most of my assumptions about Asian women from AMPs will not apply.

I know what I wrote above is a little off-topic, but I wanted to add that (in advance, as it turned out) to what I'm about to say now. Along with the online stuff, I have tried to get to know the women I have connected with at the AMPs in the last year or so. I have been AMP mongering for 15 years, mainly between marriages and since the end of my second marriage. It's only been in the last year that I've considered a relationship with a few of them who I've had some connection with and seen multiple times.

Two of these, including the one I'm interested in now, have had lives of some sort in this country beyond the AMPs ... but have turned to working at these places for different reasons. In the current scenario, I have seen one woman five times, with the sessions getting longer and more GFE every time. She said I could call her (she's an hour away) and that maybe we could go out sometime. I have worked hard (maybe too hard) to charm her. One odd and kind of unfortunate thing is that the last two times I've seen her, I've been tired and had great difficulty "performing," but still wanted to see her. She put in an extreme (and unsolicited) effort to try and get me off, which may have in turn put her off. But I spend time massaging her and so on, and brought her flowers last time I saw her.

Anyway, I wanted to share some of this stuff and hear from others who may have tried, with or without success, to have relationships with AMP girls - or whose interested in Asians was inspired by AMP action and led to relationships with Asian women outside AMPs. For what it's worth, I am Caucasian and over 40.

Thanks

[Kudlow]

Let me share my experience with you. I first started going to AMPS since I was 16. I am now 40+. After my divorce of 10+ years (to an Asian) I started to frequent a place at least once a week always seeing the same girl. At first, it was because I needed some relief and then developed into something more. I brought her gifts, exchanged emails, talked on the phone, asked her to dinner (took about 4 months). But the first time we got together, she came to my house after work and stayed the weekend. She had a good personality and she wanted to leave the business and i told her I would help her for 6 months while she looked for a job. And she did, quit the place and found another job. This is when I found out her true personality. (this is why we date). She was a habitual liar. After she quit, she told me she would never go back to being a working girl. At the time she told me, I already fell in live with her. But she lied. That day I drove mby and saw her working there. I went in, as a customer, and when she came to the room she got on her knees and begged me to forgive her. Complete with tears and all. I believed her. Things went well for a while, and we would live with each other for a week at a time. But still she would not tell the truth to me. One time she had a small get together at her house with some friends. And told me about it and who came. A week later I mentioned something about it and the entire story changed. There were other situations as well and i don't want to bore you with those. I told her what I wanted in a woman and being honest with me was number 1. She wouldn't/couldn't. I think she was so ashamed of her work. However, I told her on numerous occasions that it didn't matter to me where she worked and what she did (which it still doesn't). But I can't stand the lying part. If it wasn't for the lying part of our relationship, I would have married her. A lot of these girls (not all, but good luck in finding them) have been abused, mentally, physically or both. My girl was physically abused as a child by a step father. They have deep emotional problems. Especially the ones who like to drink a lot. I was unprepared for what I was getting into. Another thing is the culture. I was very interested in learning the Korean culture and would participate any time I could. She wanted me to give up everything here and move to Korea with her. I wasn't going to leave my son and job to start over in another country where I can't speak the language. A lot of these girls leave Korea and come to America to find the American Dream. But they don't want to work hard. They are looking for easy money.

My advice to you is to be careful. Find out what her plans are for the future. Learn her language and understand where she is coming from. Just remember, these girls are fun to fuck, but what will you do the other 23.5 hours of the day?

[Big Red50]

Let me share my experience with you. I first started going to AMPS since I was 16. I am now 40+. After my divorce of 10+ years (to an Asian) I started to frequent a place at least once a week always seeing the same girl. At first, it was because I needed some relief and then developed into something more. I brought her gifts, exchanged emails, talked on the phone, asked her to dinner (took about 4 months). But the first time we got together, she came to my house after work and stayed the weekend. She had a good personality and she wanted to leave the business and i told her I would help her for 6 months while she looked for a job. And she did, quit the place and found another job. This is when I found out her true personality. (this is why we date). She was a habitual liar. After she quit, she told me she would never go back to being a working girl. At the time she told me, I already fell in live with her. But she lied. That day I drove mby and saw her working there. I went in, as a customer, and when she came to the room she got on her knees and begged me to forgive her. Complete with tears and all. I believed her. Things went well for a while, and we would live with each other for a week at a time. But still she would not tell the truth to me. One time she had a small get together at her house with some friends. And told me about it and who came. A week later I mentioned something about it and the entire story changed. There were other situations as well and i don't want to bore you with those. I told her what I wanted in a woman and being honest with me was number 1. She wouldn't/couldn't. I think she was so ashamed of her work. However, I told her on numerous occasions that it didn't matter to me where she worked and what she did (which it still doesn't). But I can't stand the lying part. If it wasn't for the lying part of our relationship, I would have married her. A lot of these girls (not all, but good luck in finding them) have been abused, mentally, physically or both. My girl was physically abused as a child by a step father. They have deep emotional problems. Especially the ones who like to drink a lot. I was unprepared for what I was getting into. Another thing is the culture. I was very interested in learning the Korean culture and would participate any time I could. She wanted me to give up everything here and move to Korea with her. I wasn't going to leave my son and job to start over in another country where I can't speak the language. A lot of these girls leave Korea and come to America to find the American Dream. But they don't want to work hard. They are looking for easy money.

My advice to you is to be careful. Find out what her plans are for the future. Learn her language and understand where she is coming from. Just remember, these girls are fun to fuck, but what will you do the other 23.5 hours of the day?

Count your blessings that you didn’t marry her. Most providers, escorts, MP, AMP and SW's are in it for quick money. Whether they use quick money for drugs like SW’s or clothes ect. My Dad had a bar near an AMP and they would come in, I would “chat” with them. They are not white slaves, the come here voluntarily and can leave when they want, they glamorize what they do and compare it to being porn stars. The AMP girls I chatted with liked their clothes, vacations and they did not appear to be druggies, they drank top shelf only.

These women are lazy, except the mamasan, they want quick money and are masters at manipulating men. They would not be in an AMP if they did not want to be there! Lying is part of their job and way of life, did you come Hon? Was it as good for you? Is my dick really big? They sell fantasy, erotic dreams, and once in a life time memories; fuck reality. When I go to Bangkok every girl you fuck has a sob story and wants you to take her back to USA.

I have a theory that pussy is powerful, most people do not know how powerful it is especially men. When you find a women that knows how powerful her pussy is and how to use it she will Mindfuck© you.

Kudlow buddy you have been Mindfucked© and worked like a trick, surprised? You have confused sex, lust and love they are not the same thing. Keep them at an arm’s length, stay cool and aloof, don’t show your emotions and never let them see you sweat; like my Baghdad buddy says the iceman gets his pick. When we pay a provider, it is not for love; like my Dutch Uncle Benchseats Rock says we don’t pay them for sex we pay them to leave and shut the fuck up.

So advice to you Kudlow, for a broken heart, get back on the horse and go find another piece of pussy. 50% of the people in this world have a pussy ain’t nothing particularly significant about any one, you can fall in love with any piece of pussy and that is OK just do not fall for the owner.

A philosophical

Big Red

[TwistedBrother]

Kudlow, thanks for the wisdom from experience. Agree that in developing a relationship with a provider, or anyone, you really need to get to know them before any real commitment.

BigRed, obviously you speak from experience, too, but I don't necessarily think every AMP girl necessarily comes from the same place or has the same view. But points well-taken. I do realize I have other options to developing relationships with Asian women besides providers.

Look forward to more comments from others

[Member #3925]

I tried replying last night but I don't think it went through. My apologies if I end up having 2 posts that are similiar. That said. I'm a new member but have been doing the AMP thing for quite some time. Basically what it boils down to is what you want in a girl and are you man enough to accept what she does for work because she will continue to work at least for awhile. Unless you are a multi-millionare she will. Be prepared to deal with that and all the crap that goes with it. If it turns into something serious be prepared to be exposed to the wonderful world of The Immigration System and all the paperwork, time and money involved. Maybe your gullible and an easy mark. Maybe she got caught up in it for the money. Maybe she really cares for you and your not just a customer. Or perhaps she's full of shit and your a fool. Quess what? You will never know, just like with anybody else you have a relationship with. I have spent time with several AMP girls out of the work place. From a movie to a dinner to spending a week with different ones at their homes (schedule our vacations for the same week). Some of them turned out to be really sweet girls and some I couldn't wait to get away from. So if you want to end up with a really faithful good woman who knows how to treat you like a man or if you want to just be used by some crazy liar go for it. You will never know if you don't try.

[IrishMale]

Kudlow, thanks for the wisdom from experience. Agree that in developing a relationship with a provider, or anyone, you really need to get to know them before any real commitment.

As one who has been in several relationships with K girls from AMPs, the experience can be very upsetting. They are very professional in most instances with clients. They even can come to care about someone who cares about them and treats them with respect. However, once they get in the business they find that in the right circumstances they can make very big money very fast without a great deal of labor. I'm sure there must be some who do not have vices but I haven't found any yet. Smoking is, with few exceptions, universal. Drinking to excess is the norm. Gambling is an addiction for many.

I agree with other posts that they enjoy the finer things in life the money gives them. And I am certain that, at least where K girls are concerned, they are not enslaved or indebted to anyone. They take vacations that last as much as a month at a time, and travel in the US and out of the US.

I believe if you are independently wealthy and can afford to give one you care about the same amount of money they normally would make working every week, they will still eventually find their way back to an AMP and will probably do so without your knowledge. Their mindset is very material.

As for the kitchen mama, she is very likely a former worker, probably was once a manager, and might very well own the place.

And yet, knowing all this, it's still hard for us guys to stay away. The best advice given here is to keep some distance, keep your preception of reality, and enjoy as much of the relationship as you can. As for major decisions, do not permit yourself to make any before you have spent at least 3 or 4 years with that person, even if on and off.

If they just weren't so damned pretty, sexy, passionate, good at what they do...

[Spinnerluvr]

I wasn't going to post on this but ya all need to be snapped back into reality.

Stripper's SW's, Escort, AMP girls relationships, what?

You feel sorry for these poor women who make more in a day then most of you do in a week so you fall for them?

or

Your so pathetic that you cant find a woman on your own so you fall for one you have to PAY to be with you?

Then your surprised they lie?

Smack yourself up side the head and wake up or get a friend to do it for you because if you get burned in the heart or wallet you got exactly what you PAID for didn't you?

Don't set you standards so high and go out and find a nice girl that loves you and keep the pro's where they belong, as hobbies.

Most AMP girls are products of human trafficking and hate anything to do with customers or those who trapped them here.

SW's give there money to pimps or drug dealers, i mean look at them and where they live if they take you back to their crib to party. They live in dumps, do serious drugs and would kill you for tunring on them. What kind of trust could you ever have with one? They know you cruise for SW's and you know they will do ANYONE for a buck.

A decent stripper working a nice bar drives a Mercedes and doesn't need you or your money and is looking for Mr. Richdude and if your Mr. Richdude your not looking for a stripper, enough said.

Escorts, good luck but they have the same baggage as SW's just a lot more money and i wouldn't believe a word any of them say other then "see ya sucker"


Jack

[Member #3925]

Human trafficing is when you take someone against their will or under false pretense to do something they don't want to do. Either being locked down or threat of violence would make them stay. Are there sex slaves in this country? Yes. Are there some really bad people involved in it? Yes. We are talking about AMP girls here. So that means we are talking about Korean girls. A few other nationalities here and there but mainly K-girls. All the AMP stores are Korean owned, usually by a woman. So now here is your new definition of human trafficing. You are in Korea. After talking to your friend in America (on your really expensive cell phone)you decide you would like to go there. You get a visa and 2 months later you are here. You have a very nice apartment that your friend set up for you or you stay with them in a very nice apartment. You eat at top notch restaurants and shop at high end stores. You spend $300. 00 getting your hair and nails done. You work for 3 weeks or maybe 1 month then you take 1 weeks vacation. Every 5 or 6 months you take 1 month off. While you are working you can come and go as you please. If you don't like the place for whatever reason you can be somewhere else in a few days. Also while you are on vacation you spend alot of time and ALOT of money being pampered at salons and shopping. The whole time you still have that expensive cell phone and your laptop so if you feel the need you can call the authorities to come rescue you from your dire situation. On a personal note Jack-Not all of us have to pay for it, at least not all the time. Stay safe.

[TwistedBrother]

Well, Jack Meoff2, you have the right to your perspective, but there's many of us who don't share it. And given that there are without question some who have had successful relationships with AMP girls, that proves that what you say is not true 100 percent of the time - even if it is "mostly" true.

Look, as I told someone in a PM, it's easy for all of us to feel "normal" while talking on here with other mongers, but a large portion of society has as negative an opinion of us as you do of providers. Keep that in mind. Some of us do the hobby behind a significant other's back, some as a primary form of female companionship. I've been in both places. It has its high points, but many (not all, to be sure) of us would long for that life-long happy relationship and not feel the need to "go out there." I look back on 20 years of mongering, off and on, in every way, shape and form, and have had a lot of thrills, but also sorrow and paid the price. It all depends where you come from and what you want in life.

Anyway, more to the point, many of us have a special attraction to Asian women. They're not all trafficked and they all don't have the same background. Many, yes -all, no.

In a few days since I made that first post, I've learned a lot from others who have shared their experiences with me, who have tried what I aspired to. Some good, some bad. Combine it together, and it tells me it's a long shot, but possible, and too keep my eyes wide open.

If you talk to me a month from now, I may tell you I've found someone on cupid or match.com, or in normal life, and I'm outside of the game, at least for awhile. People can change, even if it's hard and an uphill battle. For now, I'm in the AMP game and seeing if I can take the next step. Time will tell, but you won't have to tell me you told me so, because I'm well aware of most possible outcomes and will become moreso as more mongers share their experiences.

[IrishMale]

I wasn't going to post on this but ya all need to be snapped back into reality.
Stripper's SW's, Escort, AMP girls relationships, what?
You feel sorry for these poor women who make more in a day then most of you do in a week so you fall for them?
or
Your so pathetic that you cant find a woman on your own so you fall for one you have to PAY to be with you?
Then your surprised they lie?
Smack yourself up side the head and wake up or get a friend to do it for you because if you get burned in the heart or wallet you got exactly what you PAID for didn't you?
Don't set you standards so high and go out and find a nice girl that loves you and keep the pro's where they belong, as hobbies.
Most AMP girls are products of human trafficking and hate anything to do with customers or those who trapped them here.
SW's give there money to pimps or drug dealers, i mean look at them and where they live if they take you back to their crib to party. They live in dumps, do serious drugs and would kill you for tunring on them. What kind of trust could you ever have with one? They know you cruise for SW's and you know they will do ANYONE for a buck.
A decent stripper working a nice bar drives a Mercedes and doesn't need you or your money and is looking for Mr. Richdude and if your Mr. Richdude your not looking for a stripper, enough said.
Escorts, good luck but they have the same baggage as SW's just a lot more money and i wouldn't believe a word any of them say other then "see ya sucker"


Jack


Who said they feel sorry for the AMP girls in the posts here?

"Your so pathetic that you cant find a woman on your own so you fall for one you have to PAY to be with you?"

And you know this how?

"Most AMP girls are products of human trafficking and hate anything to do with customers or those who trapped them here."

9 Posts and you're an expert on this subject? How many AMP girls have you had relationships with? How many have you known outside their place of business? Or are you just getting your information from the boiler plate press releases LE puts out? Those of us who have been around awhile and have been invited to hang out in the kitchens and break rooms know that these women are not trafficed and are definitely NOT trapped here. On that issue, you are very, very much mistaken.

"SW's give there money to pimps or drug dealers, i mean look at them and where they live if they take you back to their crib to party. They live in dumps, do serious drugs and would kill you for tunring on them. What kind of trust could you ever have with one? They know you cruise for SW's and you know they will do ANYONE for a buck."

Let's see, the forum is relationships with massage providers, all the posts are about massage providers - so where do SW's, pimps, and drug dealers fit into this thread?

"A decent stripper working a nice bar drives a Mercedes and doesn't need you or your money and is looking for Mr. Richdude and if your Mr. Richdude your not looking for a stripper, enough said."

True, but this particular forum is about massage providers.

"Escorts, good luck but they have the same baggage as SW's just a lot more money and i wouldn't believe a word any of them say other then "see ya sucker" "

Again, nothing here about escorts.

You might want to rethink your participation on this website Jack. It does not sound as though you understand what the website is about and it certainly does not sound as though you have respect for either the mongers or the providers. Under the circumstances, why even bother to hang out here?

[Spinnerluvr]

"We are talking about AMP girls here. So that means we are talking about Korean girls. A few other nationalities here and there but mainly K-girls. All the AMP stores are Korean owned, usually by a woman. So now here is your new definition of human trafficing." Howrich, I dont know where you are and truly do not care, I am in the USA, did you not read about the 32 AMP's that were raided on the East Coast between Maine and Virginia last October I think it was? Hundreds were arrested and dozens charged with Human Trafficking. Please don't kid yourself about where many Amp girls come from or believe what they tell you.




"many of us have a special attraction to Asian women"So do I


"If you talk to me a month from now, I may tell you I've found someone on cupid or match.com, or in normal life, and I'm outside of the game, at least for awhile. People can change, even if it's hard and an uphill battle. For now, I'm in the AMP game and seeing if I can take the next step. Time will tell, but you won't have to tell me you told me so, because I'm well aware of most possible outcomes and will become moreso as more mongers share their experiences"I'm not faulting you for what you do Brother and wish you the best of luck in both the hobby and finding someone outside of it. All I'm saying is remember it's a HOBBY and these are WORKING girls.



"Your so pathetic that you cant find a woman on your own so you fall for one you have to PAY to be with you?"

And you know this how?Because some of you are crying in your beer over bad relationships with AMP girls that you and anyone else PAYS to be with in the first place!


9 Posts and you're an expert on this subject? How many AMP girls have you had relationships with?Nine or nine hundred posts it does not take a rocket scientist to know you don't fall for a provider in the sex trade.

I have had ZERO relationships with AMP girls and never will. They provide a service that people PAY for. LOTS of people! ANYONE with a BUCK people.

Do I use their, oh yeah.


As one who has been in several relationships with K girls from AMPs, the experience can be very upsetting. You should know first hand that LTR's with AMP girls are a bad idea!


Those of us who have been around awhile and have been invited to hang out in the kitchens and break rooms. I am very happy that after paying for services that mamason lets you hang out in the kitchen and break room with the working girls. If I pass you on the way to a room with your GF in tow I will wave as I go by.


You might want to rethink your participation on this website Jack. It does not sound as though you understand what the website is about I thought this forum was about letting others know whats happening in different places around the country and perhaps the world (International Forum) with regards to the various hobbies that mongers and or provider partake in.

I also thought it to be a place for other hobbyists to assist their fellow mongers with other related matters if applicable; and my response was aimed at "Kudlow" who was stating he fell in love with an AMP girl after break up of a 10+ year relationship and who was obviously on the rebound.

I at no point disrespected anyone including providers. I simply pointed out to Kudlow and anyone else who would fall for a pro regarless of the genre of her profession that WE pay then for their company and THEY provide us a service and not to forget it.

And I assure you, am I far from new at this!

Happy Hunting

Jack

[Sigma9]

Hey twisted how are ya doing? How have you been?

Ok on to the main event:

About dating AMP girls

You guys are crazy to even try to date a AMP girl.

AMP girls are NOT all slaves bought and sold. MANY of them came over to the US when they were in there teens or older looking to make a new life in america (aka money). If you realy have a thing for asian women go out to your local chinatown/etc and try to hook up with one. They are not some lost treasure thats need special skills to aquire.

Most AMP girl work at the AMP to make money! Are there sex slave? Ofcourse there are. There are all types of slaves all over the world not just in the us and notjust sex slaves. But if you think for one min that they all are you are crazy and watch to much tv and believe to much of the governments "news" about what it really about. Alot of these girls are in it for quick easy money, thats it. They are not working to send money back to their starving family back in China / korea / vietniam / etc they are using that money to buy gucci bags and prada purses. HOW do I know this you say? What makes me the "expert" on the matter you ask? Because I know a few owners of such places all over the US. From NYC to LA to michigan. Most of the girls working at the AMPs are just like other women all over america flash some cash, spend on them and you get to play with kitty.

I have partied with many of them when me and my friends (their bosses) get together. And they have told me MANY stories about cleaning a guy out by making them buy them all the nice things in life. They will find the lonly older guy or the geeky looking guy and pretend to be this poor inocent girl that is traped in the life of an AMP worker looking for their hero and begging to be saved. Turth is many of these girl are what american like to call

! GOLD DIGGERS!

Shoot many of you guys on the forums should know this. They are not the long term diggers like anna nicole smith but short term diggers get a few grand and leave.

Now I know ther are some but not many that do really wanna leave and such but finding one is like finding a drug dealer that will give you a refund if you not satisfied.

Ohh by the way I'm asian and in my 20's if it matters.

[IrishMale]

Charged with human trafficing and convicted of human trafficing are two very different things. You can be charged with anything LE wants to charge you with but you are still innocent until proven guilty in this country. I am not the only one on here that has first hand knowledge of the unfettered freedom the K girls who work in AMPs have. This issue has been discussed many times on this website in various forums. And, for those of us who have followed the results of these busts, ultimately no one gets convicted of it. We know that human trafficing does exist and we know that some women are being kept as sex slaves. But I have not seen it yet in any AMP I have visited.

Jack, you are the one who is kidding yourself about where these K girls come from.

I can only speak for myself when it comes to relationships, but once I have gotten into a relationship with one, I no longer pay, and I suspect others who have had or are in relationships don't either. My most recent friend purchased over $500 in housewarming gifts for me, buys me food to bring home with me from the Korean market because I like some of it, and much to my discomfort picks up more lunch and dinner tabs than I do.

You say "some of you are crying in your beer over bad relationships with AMP girls." So, you believe those of us who replied to Twisted Brother weren't doing exactly what he requested? He was sharing information about his experiences and said, "I wanted to share some of this stuff and hear from others who may have tried." I guess if we were like you we should have jumped all over him instead of offering advice based upon our own experiences. The man asked us to share our experiences and we did. However, the only thing you shared was criticism. Your lack of respect as well as your lack of compassion is showing.

I disagree with your statement that you at no time disrespected anyone. It's my opinion that you did. You offered nothing in your original post that responded to Twisted Brother's request for sharing information about being in a relationship with a K girl. You just criticised every one for doing so and offered some points that just don't hold up under scrutiny.

Do you really believe that your statement, "Your so pathetic" in your original post, which was directed at posters below you in the thread, is not disrespectful? The man asked for others with the same experience to share their experiences with him.

So the man made a mistake by getting into a relationship with a K girl. Did he, or anyone else who responded to his request, deserve to be criticised for it? I don't think he did.

[TwistedBrother]

Hoping to see my "relationship candidate" (LOL) in the next day or two. I'll report on how it's progressing. Thanks for all perspectives to date and hope to hear more. Can never hear enough good stories or perspectives.

[Member #3925]

Come on now guys. Everybody gather around. You to Jack, get over here. O. K. Ready? Big Group Hug! Ahhh! Now doesn't that feel better? And it was free. Yes Jack, even for you. This debate could go on forever. Some of our experiences are similiar. Some are very different. We are beating a dead horse on this one.

[TwistedBrother]

FWIW, I had a very good session with my AMP love interest tonight. More "post-coital" snuggling and wide-ranging conversation that felt more natural and normal. Still doesn't feel like she's ready to go out with me, but I definitely felt progress. It didn't hurt that I brought she and her "friends" (mama and another gal) some holiday treats. Chosuk today, you know (Korean Thanksgiving). Brownie points with the mama never hurts. A good, new friend advised me that instead of treating just the one, that it's good to treat all (less jealousy). Good time had by all.

[Spinnerluvr]

FWIW, I had a very good session with my AMP love interest tonight. More "post-coital" snuggling and wide-ranging conversation that felt more natural and normal. Still doesn't feel like she's ready to go out with me, but I definitely felt progress. It didn't hurt that I brought she and her "friends" (mama and another gal) some holiday treats. Chosuk today, you know (Korean Thanksgiving). Brownie points with the mama never hurts. A good, new friend advised me that instead of treating just the one, that it's good to treat all (less jealousy). Good time had by all.What was it PT Barnum said "there's a sucker born every minute"

Wonder if her was Korean?

[Sarang Haeyo]

Some of us "suckers" are having the time of our lives. In fact, I've been having the time of my life for three years. SUCKER!!!!

[Spinnerluvr]

Some of us "suckers" are having the time of our lives. In fact, I've been having the time of my life for three years. SUCKER!!!!Your only getting what you pay for!

[Member #3925]

Your only getting what you pay for!Damn.This again?I thought we settled this with the group hug and we became one big happy family.

Sarang,glad to see you have joined the controversy.

Just an idea.Why don't you and I hook up one of these weekends.Of course with your S.O. and mine as well.I have planned a trip for us.

We will start out here and take one of the $120.00 'Taxi Man' rides to that beautiful city in Queens.First stop is In Spa.They open at 6:00 A.M. so we will have to leave pretty early to make a day of it.I figure we will probably dump about $800.00 between the 4 of us.Maybe 3-4 hours of jacuzzis,saunas and awesome massages(Real massages).

After that we can hit any one of the smaller restaurants on Northern for a quick lunch.Maybe $50.00.

After lunch you know we will be on our own for 2-3 hours while the little ladies run off to get their nails and hair done.LOL.They will each spend around $200.00.

During this time I figured we could go to the K-bar on the corner of Union and 34th.While we are there we could drink a couple bottles of $8.00 Buds and maybe do a couple shots of the $20.00 bottles of Soju.Maybe even flirt with 1 or 2 of the girls.Probably not. I think you and I are a little too savvy for that game.

Once we get back together with the girls it's time for some of that incredible hand made 'pang' and Korean coffee on the corner of Union and Rossevelt.$30.00. Followed buy a few hours of shopping(them).We will just check out all the other hot K-girls and hope they don't notice.A little bit of a jealous streak in them.Yes?Hopefully we don't see any past (or present) AMP sweeties that we know.A bit awkward.

They will both spend approximately $400.00.Some of that will be spent on us even if we insist we don't want it.And I wouldn't be suprised if mine bought something for you and yours.You have to love the culture.

On to dinner.Sushimi.Corner of Northern and 47th.Just over $200.00

And of course we have to end the night in true Korean style.Karaoke at one of the many Karaoke bars scattered through out the city.Watching my girl sing in Hanguk to the latest K-popstars is awesome.Beautiful woman with an awesome voice.She and her friends love my 'Dead Or Alive' Bon Jovi rendition. Hysterical.Good clean fun.
Anyway after a couple of hours of drinking Soju and acting like highschool kids with 2 classy,intelligent and good looking women it will be time to call it a night.Karaoke maybe $250.00.

A call to the 'Taxi Man' and we are on our way home.$120.00.

I'm fairly confident that either your S.O. or mine would offer to pay the entire tab for our day out.Or at least go Dutch on it.Just an idea.

After all"We only get what we pay for".

And don't forget about waking up the next morning with an 'AMP' girl next to you.Something about her being naked and her leg draped over you as you listen to that gentle little snore.Of course she denies that she snores but you know better.

Peace.

[Sarang Haeyo]

Sounds like a plan. Dutch? WTF is Dutch? I don't pay for a fucking thing with this girl.

Okay, I threw her $2500 for her Immigration Attorney's fee so she could get her GC application going. Let's see: $2500 over the course of one year (that's the shortest time it will take to get the GC); at $160 per AMP visit; that's 15.625 visits; let's call it 1.302 visits per month. I "hook up" with my AMP wife at least 20 times per month; that works out to $10.4166666666 per "hook up".

I gotta say, sounds like a good deal to me. Especially when you consider she buys all the food, pays for our vacations, buys my clothing and gives me a kick-back when she wins $$ at the casino.

What do you think Jack Meoff2? Am I getting screwed here or am I getting laid and enjoying every minute of it? Do us a favor and change your name to Jack Gofuckyourself1.

HowRich, let's get together; but w/o the girls initially. If they know each other we're fucked!

BTW: cat's out of the bag. I was the one giving advice to Twisted Brother. Tried not to go public again but fuck it.

Haywoo my brother: I see you're having your posts deleted again.

Oops! Forgot to mention I pay her portion of our Verizon bill. $55 a month. You do the math.

[Spinnerluvr]

You guys are so funny and get so defensive over your make believe Korean AMP girlfriends.

To the guy who paid for the girls immigration paper fee's, how much does/did she make SELLING her services?

And to the the guy implying i cant get an AMP girl. SURE I CAN!

Even YOUR AMP girl, for the house fee plus tip.

I think i am indeed fighting a loosing argument. Its why there are so few who chime in on this thread.

Stupid is as stupid does-Forrest Gump

Happy Hunting

Jack

[Spinnerluvr]

Then she leaves your place and goes to work, during the course of the day i pay her visit. Great HJ happy ending. I recommend her to all my buddies.

After a HARD day she cant wait to see you, she runs through the door and caresses your face and gives you a big kiss.



And don't forget about waking up the next morning with an 'AMP' girl next to you.

Peace.Nasty!

And I don't hug men!

Happy Hunting

or

Antibacterial soap and mouthwash

Jack

[Sarang Haeyo]

You guys are so funny and get so defensive over your make believe Korean AMP girlfriends.

To the guy who paid for the girls immigration paper fee's, how much does/did she make SELLING her services?

And to the the guy implying i cant get an AMP girl. SURE I CAN!

Even YOUR AMP girl, for the house fee plus tip.

I think i am indeed fighting a loosing argument. Its why there are so few who chime in on this thread.

Stupid is as stupid does-Forrest Gump

Happy Hunting

Jack Arguing with a guy who quotes Forrest Gump? I knew I was wasting my time.

[PW Junior]

Sarang, if you go and have Jjajangmyun with HowRich without me, then damn! I'm going to have to lay a smackdown on somebody! Some Kyo Chon Chicken doesn't sound too bad either.

I guess I'll 'chime in on this thread' since it seems to be getting interesting.

Jack, if two people get together and they are happy, then who are you to judge them? No matter what the situation may be, this country was built on 'the pursuit of happiness' so let people be. You are making overgeneralizations and just assuming things are a certain way. Of course you'll have some girls that just try and use guys to get what they need, but on the other hand, you'll have some girls that genuine and are with someone because they want to be.

Too much cynicism man. I see the glass as half full, not half empty. Think about that.

[Sarang Haeyo]

It's a lovely sentiment you're espousing but as the title of my last post suggests: we're dealing with an in-bred, backwoods, 19th century hillbilly here.

Speaking of JJG, had a delicious bowl last week in Flushing with the missus and dozens of her countrymen/women. As per usual, I was the only Caucasian in the place. Unless of course you count the busboys.

We'll have to all get together some time. That is if we can pull HJ from his new position.

[PW Junior]

It's a lovely sentiment you're espousing but as the title of my last post suggests: we're dealing with an in-bred, backwoods, 19th century hillbilly here.

Speaking of JJG, had a delicious bowl last week in Flushing with the missus and dozens of her countrymen/women. As per usual, I was the only Caucasian in the place. Unless of course you count the busboys.

We'll have to all get together some time. That is if we can pull HJ from his new position.

Thanks Sarang, but you're still not off the hook for getting JJM without me. I'll be really pissed if you went to Sam Won Gahk to have it.

Anyway, I think this is like the third time that I've seen this topic discussed in these forums. It annoys me to no end when people just overgeneralize and make these girls out to be these money hungry bitches that will ruin your life if you get involved with them. They are people too and deserve some respect. I guess I just feel the need to defend some of my sisters or something. Too much damn negativity.

To HowRich, you really seem to know your way around Flushing. Impressive. I think In Spa sucks though. King Spa is a lot better in my opinion, but definitely less convenient since it's in Jersey.

[Sarang Haeyo]

Yup, I got my usual "favorite customer" discount from my favorite waitress who looks a lot like Sandy from Nirvana and Avalon in CT, minus the fake boobs of course.

Sorry bro', can't have you mingling with my wife. You know the situation.

You and me and the other guys though anytime.

[TwistedBrother]

Original thread starter back here ... Goodness, you guys are getting feisty without me!

Well, if I'm going to be honest, I'm going to have to say mixed results lately.

First, want to thank Sarang and others who've been helpful. I've also gotten some help from a few guys in Mich. who know the particular girl I was most interested in. They weren't completely discouraging, but realistic, too. And, at least with this particular girl, hasn't quite worked out as I'd hoped. There's been a point where I've had to look at the $ I was spending and the progress I was making (not enough) and had to back off a bit. But who knows what will happen from here. My penchant for variety kicked in the other week, and after a 2-3 week break from the hobby, I went to another place and got a girl who had been mediocre when I saw her 3-4 months ago. She remembered me this time and was much better ... but not necessarily LT material or anything.

Anyway, despite my relative lack of success, I remain a glass half-full person. That's who I am and that ain't changin. Personally, I'm also someone who has wavered between hobbying and trying more conventional ways of having female companionship and relationships and right now, I have at least one possibility with someone I work with. So putting more energy into that right now.

But again, I thank all who have responded, especially positively, and, for now, continue to stay at least partly in the game.

[Sarang Haeyo]

That's how much I paid in house fees and tips before I started getting it for free outside the AMP. Mine won't let me visit her at work any more and hasn't for a long time.

Three years later and I must say my initial investment; plus consequent deposits ( ie. attorney fee); has paid ENORMOUS dividends.

Much less expensive than my first wife.

[Spinnerluvr]

Much less expensive than my first wife.Yet all is not said and done and YO pimp daddy, your married to a working HO

WTF

[Wando21]

Interesting subject. With "eyes wide shut" I started a crazed relationship with an amp provider in about 2005, and we have now evolved to an occasional but fairly regular weekend of fun( one could say, f--kbuddies, but it's a little more than that). Started out with high hopes of a real relationship to no avail, but I suspect most of that potential has been beaten out of most amp ladies. Frankly, I think they lose their interest in sex after a while, like almost all other women too. I appreciate her now for what she can give, which is fabulous sex and a crazy, Korean sense of humor. And, I love Korean barbacue. Don't you all think after several years in the biz amp girls are incapable of a normal, typical relationship for obvious reasons.....?

[Sarang Haeyo]

I had 30 years of "normal, typical relationships" with civilians.

I'll take this over that any day. The K-sense of humor and the BBQ plus other things make up for whatever "normalcy" might be missing.

When we're together we're like any other couple. We do "couple things" like everyone else. Very normal.

[Member #3925]

You know Jack, I actually thank you for putting in a good word with your friends about my wife. Thanks for paying my rent, phone (s), cable bills, etc.

The cigarette I'm smoking and the lunch I just ate. The clothes I'm wearing. And the funniest thing. The computer I'm using right now.

You paid for all of it. Not me.

I wasn't looking for a relationship (at the time-married 15 years) it just happened. I was just paying for an anonymous piece of ass and how it turned into what it did might seem confusing to somebody who hasn't been there.

But it happened and it will again with other dudes.

Some will get completely burned and taken for the ride of their lives. Others will live long happy lives and grow old together.

Just like with any other couple.

The reason we get so 'defensive' in our posts is because we worry about them having to deal with guys like you.

Yes. We know what they do for work. Where did we meet them?

You very well may have been with mine and that doesn't bother me other than the fact that you appear to have some issues.

Yes. You might have PAID her the night before for her body. But if you happened to see us the next day walking down the street you wouldn't even know it was her. Make up, hair, clothes. Etc. And that is just how she wants it in public. And if she recognized you she wouldn't say so or acknowledge your presence. And we would more than likely be on the way to the market to spend your money.

Thanks again.

Although this might appear to be all about the money for me it is much more than that. It is what you have turned the thread into. So I reply accordingly. With the truth.

No. Don't go to an AMP looking for love. Bad idea. You go there to get off. I still occasionally do. I'm a man with a habit that's hard to break. But people have started relationships under stranger circimstances. Shit happens. Also when I do go it's when the S. O. Is away for a period of time and I need that fix.

The best part is a pay with other mongers money.

In the case of Sarang (I'm not outing him. He has posted he is married to an AMP girl) and myself these women are not our 'Make believe girlfriends'. They are our wives. They are beautiful and intelligent women with great personalities and big hearts.

You might get her body. I get that plus everything else. Including your hard earned dollars.

[Member #3925]

That's how much I paid in house fees and tips before I started getting it for free outside the AMP. Mine won't let me visit her at work any more and hasn't for a long time.

Three years later and I must say my initial investment; plus consequent deposits (ie. Attorney fee); has paid ENORMOUS dividends.

Much less expensive than my first wife. Ah, the memories. Saw mine 4 times as a paying customer over a period of 5 weeks. CT. Stores and she had just got here from Korea. Nice girl. Nothing special but we hit it off on a personal level. She was sweet but I had been around the block as far as AMP girls go for a couple of years. I knew the talk and all the bullshit.

During our last session in CT. She asked for my number. She said she was going somewhere else and wanted to stay in touch.

Little did I know she was going to D. C. She called 1 week later and said she wanted to see her 'Namjachingu'. Told her I'm not driving all the way there and spending a bunch of money. So she worked out a deal with Mamasan. Nothing to her just an inflated fee to the house. See my posts in the D. C. Massage Parlor Reports. The things we do for poon.

During our first visit she made me wait for like 2 hours while she took care of business. I was fairly pissed and way tired. Told her if she wanted me to come back she would have to meet me as soon as I called. First time was still pretty much a feeling out process. Does this girl really like me or does she just have something up her sleeve? I felt like we had some fucked up connection but I was very hesitant. Also told her if I ever came back I didn't want to see her in her work outfit. And no make up. Just her.

2 more road trips over the next 3 months and as soon as Mama saw me she would call her name. She came right out both times in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt. No make up with her hair pulled back.

During this time we would talk on the phone on a regular basis and learn all the stuff you do during an otherwise normal relationship. Whatever that is.

On our last visit I told her if she really wanted to see me and really felt something for me we would have to see each other outside. She says she is going on vacation in 1 week. Gives me her address. Had a great week with an awesome lady that just happens to have a shitty job. Depending on how you look at it.

I told her I refused to see her in the work environment after that. She took off for the entire next month and we spent alot of time together. Just getting to know one another and hanging out.

It turned into 1 week out of the month or the occasional 1 month vacation that she usually came here or sometimes we spent it in the city.

That went on for about 2 years. Followed by 2+ years of nuptial bliss.

Except for when Jack gets a hold of her.

[Member #3925]

Interesting subject. With "eyes wide shut" I started a crazed relationship with an amp provider in about 2005, and we have now evolved to an occasional but fairly regular weekend of fun( one could say, f--kbuddies, but it's a little more than that). Started out with high hopes of a real relationship to no avail, but I suspect most of that potential has been beaten out of most amp ladies. Frankly, I think they lose their interest in sex after a while, like almost all other women too. I appreciate her now for what she can give, which is fabulous sex and a crazy, Korean sense of humor. And, I love Korean barbacue. Don't you all think after several years in the biz amp girls are incapable of a normal, typical relationship for obvious reasons.....?Beaten out of AMP ladies?I see your point and understand why you might think that but you are out and about with this girl.But after this much time(2005) your more than likely right.If it hasn't gone any further.

Do they lose interest in sex?(Or just having it with you or me) Sure, just like any other woman.I have been with mine in the past as a customer and now as her man.It is 2 different worlds.It is a much differant experience than meeting for the first time and going through the assembly line.And you know that also from your girl.Please don't even tell me it's the same routine.

They are with someone who they at least give a half a shit about.

What is a normal,typical relationship?

By being a member of this site and posting you know you have proven yourself to see things from a differant perspective.Not exactly normal.You wouldn't want your friends and family to know?

Not a judgement of you. Just look at my other posts.

Take your time with her for what it is.If it doesn't go any further just enjoy your f~~k buddy for who she is and have a good time.And of course eat as much of that BBQ as you can hold.As long as she is paying.

[Toshiosamma]

Hey, SH. Good to see you here, bro. We need to get together in Flushing sometime.

I was going to stay out of this, but.

I've been with an AMP woman for 2 and a half years, and I do not regret a minute of it. She is a tough, awesome, inspiring human being. Unlike most girls I have known in this business, she is totally reliable, and gives unselfishly of herself to help the few people who she considers her true friends.

Most girls in this business will grab you by the cock and the wallet and take you for a ride until you are no longer useful. I had that happen to me a once or twice, and I've had many other girls try unsuccessfully to use me that way, so when I met this woman I had my guard up and my eyes wide open. Her behavior toward me has always been completely different. She acts the act with customers to make a buck, but with me she is scrupulously and sometimes brutally honest. She is my best friend, and has taught me more about myself and life and the world than I ever thought I could learn in such a short time. She never takes unfair advantage of the fact that I love her. She also happens to be dynamite in the sack.

This did not happen overnight. This woman had suffered badly at the hands of two abusive liars who she loved dearly, and was not in a hurry to get involved with anyone again. It took me a long time and a lot of patience, but it has been well worth it.

I really don't give a shit whether the skeptics among you believe me or not, because my woman and I will be quietly enjoying each other's company for a long, long time after I've forgotten the "hobby" and this website and the gentlemen and sleazeballs alike who contribute to it.

Have a nice day, and keep your mind as open as you keep your eyes.

[TwistedBrother]

Don't you all think after several years in the biz amp girls are incapable of a normal, typical relationship for obvious reasons.....?

"Incapable," no ... "with great difficulty," probably ... lol

[Member #3925]

And to the the guy implying i cant get an AMP girl. SURE I CAN!

Even YOUR AMP girl, for the house fee plus tip.

JackI just finished looking through the Circuit City flyer.The full hour would be most helpful in our next purchase.Thank you.

[Spinnerluvr]

You might get her body. I get that plus everything else. Including your hard earned dollars.Yeah, I get her body, thats the point you seem to be missing. ANYBODY and EVERYBODY else gets her body too. Whatever floats your boat. If I spend my money on an AMP girl and she gives it to you its about the same as giving it to the clerk at 7-11, she's going to give it to someone but when you go down on her, think of me and about two thousand other guys. There's nothing wrong with spinners but you don't marry them.

I would imagine they make good conversation with your friends and family, mostly behind your back!

[Spinnerluvr]

Besides, if i did not post a little sanity to this otherwise boring thread it would have died long ago.

I'll stop posting and you FEW who are crazy enough to even think of such a thing as a serious relationship with a spinner can pat yourself on the back a few times, have a GROUP HUG and the thread will die.

The entire world including and maybe even especially mongers hold pimps to be the lowest form of life; and of course you don't consider yourself a pimp.

By the way, im not judging you at all, im simply commenting on what you have already written, if you didn't want comments you would not write it.

Relationships based on mutual cheating, good luck!

Happy Hunting,

Jack

[Toshiosamma]

Thanks for your observations, HR. You speak the truth. My story is very similar, including how it started in a CT AMP. I visited my lady there 4 times in 5 days, and got her address and phone number before I left on the 3rd day. It happened totally by chance. The place had just opened up a few days before, and she had a fight with Mamasan and went home a few days after.

She called me in tears three weeks later and said she was sick and starving. "Here we go again. ", I thought to myself as I sent her $200 by Western Union. However, unlike any of the others who came before her, she paid me back in full, with interest and in cash, the very next time I saw her at an AMP in Columbus. This time I was a guest, not a customer. I drove 4 hours each way to see her there, and I spent most of the day grabbing 5 minutes at a time with her in between Johns and Jacks.

The rest is our own personal history, and I won't bore everyone here with it. Suffice it to say that she has proven her honesty and integrity to me over and over, and the two of us expect to be together for the rest of our lives.

This is not to say that the next girl who professes to love you isn't going to screw you and break your heart. It happens all the time. I wish the best of luck to any of you guys who go down this path, whether or not you stick your necks out and talk about it here.


I wasn't looking for a relationship (at the time-married 15 years) it just happened. I was just paying for an anonymous piece of ass and how it turned into what it did might seem confusing to somebody who hasn't been there.

[Toshiosamma]

There's nothing wrong with spinners but you don't marry them.
I do.

And I get to hear her tell me what a smelly, perverted creep you are. Think about that the next time you are getting your rocks off with a Korean businesswoman.

[Sarang Haeyo]

Yeah, I get her body, thats the point you seem to be missing. ANYBODY and EVERYBODY else gets her body too. Whatever floats your boat. If I spend my money on an AMP girl and she gives it to you its about the same as giving it to the clerk at 7-11, she's going to give it to someone but when you go down on her, think of me and about two thousand other guys. There's nothing wrong with spinners but you don't marry them.

I would imagine they make good conversation with your friends and family, mostly behind your back!
You're putting me to sleep with this shit. Your argument is getting as tired as I am. Throw a few more posts about how our wives and girlfriends are doing every guy they can. If you can tell me something I don't know already, please try.

I don't think of you and the other guys. That's why she's with ME and not some poor bastard who dwells on her work.

Continuing my debate with the mentally challenged: seriously, do you or do you not think these girls are entitled to love and affection from a guy who treats them with a modicum of respect?

I couldn't care less about what my friends and family think. However, those who know her line of work; and some of them do; couldn't be happier for me.

Now: go fuck someone's wife or girlfriend. Have fun. We don't care. Get it?

Last month, Twisted Brother opens this thread and asks for advice or comments from guys who are with, or have tried to be with AMP girls. You've done neither. Now go look up the word 'modicum' and fuck off.

PS: see my PM regarding you calling my wife a HO. Let's have some fun.

[Toshiosamma]

This forum is about relationships with massage providers. If that topic doesn't fit in with your world view, or indeed you just don't believe that any of us could be so fortunate, then there are many other forums on this wonderful website that might be of greater interest to you.

[Spinnerluvr]

and fuck off.Are ya getting pissed off Pimp Daddy?

Would you deny me free speech?

I don't take orders like a spinner!

Your entitled to your opinion but not me, why is that because you disagree with it or is it you cant handle a simple conversation over differing opinions?

"opinions" look that up.

Happy Hunting

Jack

[Spinnerluvr]

and fuck off.While we are looking things up i did take the liberty to look up the word "civilians" at least in the text you use it in.

civilians-meaning women that wont have sex with you unless you pay them!

Happy Hunting

Jack Meoff Too

[Toshiosamma]

Last month, Twisted Brother opens this thread and asks for advice or comments from guys who are with, or have tried to be with AMP girls. ...Ok. Here's my advice.

It can work, and it sometimes works, but you have to be careful, persistent, and realistic in your expectations. Be prepared to get hurt.

Most AMP girls ask me if I am married or have a girlfriend. Many others don't bother asking and just offer to marry me. I knew from day one that this is playacting for the job's sake, and occasionally a real feeler by a girl who is looking for an easy way to legal status. I cannot remember how many times the older AMP women have warned me about this. They all say "Girl will marry you, but leave you as soon as she get green card. You never see her again. "

If you are serious about pursuing a LTR with an AMP worker, be aware that the one who you fall in love with may not be honest with you, and may take advantage. Go slowly and keep yourself well informed. Talk to her about her family, her history, what she wants to do with her life. Be on the lookout for both little white lies and big black ones, but don't treat her as if you are paranoid, and if she is not totally open with you at first, remember what her life is like and don't be quick to judge.

Lend her some money when she's in need, and see if she pays you back. Repaying loans is very important to Koreans and if she neglects to do right by you, it might indicate less than good intentions on her part.

Learn about her country and her culture. If she refuses to kiss, hold hands or hug you in public, respect it. That's the Korean way. Learn to speak, read, and write her language. Even if it doesn't work out with her, knowing some Korean makes the AMP experience SO much better. Take my word for it. It will also make it that much easier to get to know the next girl who seems like a good prospect.

She is living on the edge in a foreign country with the government and the society allied against her. She wants security and safety, but sacrifices both, usually to support family in Korea. If love actually happens, and if you can lead her to understand that you can and will provide security, safety, honesty, and friendship, then you are well on the way. Be interested, respectful, supportive, reliable, patient, and don't let yourself become obsessed with her job. Be aware that when she's working she is in danger, but don't try to be her mother.

If it ultimately works out and you become a couple, be sensitive to the fact that she is probably sick and tired of having sex. It may take weeks or months off the job before she really wants to do it again. Be patient. The payback is awesome. Truly, truly awesome.

[Member #3925]

Yeah, I get her body, thats the point you seem to be missing. ANYBODY and EVERYBODY else gets her body too. Whatever floats your boat. If I spend my money on an AMP girl and she gives it to you its about the same as giving it to the clerk at 7-11, she's going to give it to someone but when you go down on her, think of me and about two thousand other guys. There's nothing wrong with spinners but you don't marry them.

I would imagine they make good conversation with your friends and family, mostly behind your back! Obviously I knew what she did when I met her. As you put it 'ANYBODY and EVERYBODY' gets her body. Holy crap. Quite the revelation. Thanks. I'll have to talk to her about that.

I am missing no point. I fully understand what goes on. It's just work Jack. Get over it.

You and 2, 000 other guys. That is $200, 100. 00. Nice little addition to our nest egg we have been accumulating. Of course I work also. But it pales in comparison.

I didn't marry a spinner. You think she came tromping down the aisle in clear heels. Wearing a bikini. Hair all teased and wearing a shit load of make up. But honestly she wasn't wearing white. LOL. See, even I can joke about it.

As for family and friends. She goes out with my sisters for lunch. And her and my mother call each other on a regular basis. We get together with friends and other couples just like regular people. Amazing isn't it?

Like you said 'Whatever floats your boat'. I think you need a bucket.

[Spinnerluvr]

PS: see my PM regarding you calling my wife a HO. Let's have some fun.
Don't know where you are, but why don't we try to get together so you can call my wife a HO to my face.

I'm in Connecticut. You need to be put in your place.I believe making threats to other members are against the policies of this forum.

Please allow me to educate you, if a female, regardless of race charges for sex (in ANY way shape or form) that equates to prostitution. A prostitute in street slang is referred to as a HO.

A rose by any other name is still a rose.

But does it still smell as sweet?

I think it has been demonstrated here that Sarang Haeyo is NOT of sound mind.

Happy Hunting,

Jack

[Sarang Haeyo]

You going to take me up on my offer or not?

My mind may not be sound but my body is; I'd love to demonstrate both.

[Spinnerluvr]

You going to take me up on my offer or not?

My mind may not be sound but my body is; I'd love to demonstrate both.Yeah, thats what I do, I travel to other parts of the country to meet up with psychos who make threats online because they disagree with what I type.

Sure when flying over your state I'll ask the pilot to stop.

[TwistedBrother]

Ok. Here's my advice.

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Toshiosamma ... Thanks for the good, realistic advice. You've reinforced what some have said and added new insights. You've spoken with me before. Through this thread, I've had a handful of respondees who have really shared some good stuff. Not sure where I'm still at in the pursuit, but ... will keep people posted. Sometimes I wish we could all (all you supportive guys with experience, that is) meet in a bar somewhere and hash this out and I think I could get clearer.

Also, let's quit the fighting. I don't want my thread to get deleted. Better to just ignore the harsh naysayers ... isn't there an "ignore" feature with this software? All of us who've posted on this thread so far have made it very clear where our perspectives lie. I'm not crazy about what Jackmeoff has written on my thread, but I'd rather just ignore or read it and move on, as opposed to having all this flaming.

[Toshiosamma]

Better to just ignore the harsh naysayersSounds like a plan, Bro.

[Spinnerluvr]

As for family and friends. She goes out with my sisters for lunch. And her and my mother call each other on a regular basis. We get together with friends and other couples just like regular people. Amazing isn't it?No, its not amazing at all, trash is trash.

And thats all i have to say on this topic!

[Sarang Haeyo]

Sometimes I wish we could all (all you supportive guys with experience, that is) meet in a bar somewhere and hash this out and I think I could get clearer.

Good idea. You come along too, Jack.

I can bury the hatchet. Not "we", I. Get it?

[Ian Dokkaebi]

The consistent cynicism addresses the wrong aspect of this question. Character defamation through generalization is not the intent, but rather the brainstorming of ideas for a better understanding.

The dynamic of characters displayed through the ladies in AMPs is no more obscure than the people in our daily life. These are the individual qualities that make us all so unique. Our ability to be nice or rude, greedy or benevolent, dull or sexy all come together and make you, well, you. While these ladies are well versed in providing a fantasy, they can’t maintain this fantasy forever.

However, I must tip the hat to the many wonderful advices discussed here. When I went through my ordeal, I didn’t have these types of advice to read. My two cents is meant to add to that.

In a perfect world, people get into relationships for love. In reality, it can be because of much less noble intent. In any relationship, no matter how you cut it, you are using each other or "supporting each other" (depends on who you ask).

If she uses you for a green card, are you not using her for something else; maybe emotion support, physical pleasure, personal happiness, or financial benefits. This coin has two sides.

So, you want to have a relationship with a working girl? If she has a significant impact on your happiness, then by all means, go for it.

From my experience, however, top three practical aspects you should think about prior to pursuing this endeavor.

Continuous Employment and Money. Will you be comfortable with her working? The professional life will always be a crutch in the relationship. Regardless if they are working in or managing an AMP, they will always be involved in this lifestyle. That means, they will always be with men. How insecure are you?

Be sure you are OK with taking part in this life. For example, reading about how your wife services others on this board and the insane things that these people write about. Will you be affected by such fictional accounts and how would you react? How about when you and her run into her best customer at the grocery store? What will you do and how would you feel?

The chances of them leaving this life are slim to none. I’ve met one who successfully quited the lifestyle. Discussions about this aspect in the relationship lead to argument about money. In a typical conversation with you demanding that she stops working goes as follow.

You: "I want you to stop working"
Her: "You bring home enough money to support me, including my shopping spree at Chanel, LV, and Cartier."
You: Ask why she needs these type of things. It's not like her life is filled with banquets and soirée and demand that she stops buying them. However, you then realize that you chose her because of who she is including her artificial decorum.

Although some of these ladies will often take good care of you by paying for everything, but don’t overlook this aspect. How will she react in an argument? Will she brings up the fact that she pays for everything and you are worthless? The favorite line is "you don't give me one dollar."

Also, how about you? In a heated argument, will you bring up the fact that she fucks men for money? That, by the way, is their worse fear and a source of great pain for some. Again, two sides of a coin.

Communication. The Korean culture, like many Asian cultures, rarely acknowledges incomprehension. It’s a sign of stupidity and weakness. That means, regardless of what is being said, they will nod their head either in agreement or understanding conveying a sense of pristine comprehension even though they may understand only a word or two (especially in old school Asians during conversations with "outsiders," or people outside their race, where the primary language of the conversation is not their native tongue). It’s a thing called "keeping face."

This inability to communicate rarely has an affect during the initial stages of the relationship; however, 5 or 6 months later, it will come up. The initial charm of learning the communication pattern of your new love interest dies after a couple of months.

Various Addictions . The prevalent addictions include cigarettes and alcohol. How do these affect your love interest? What is she like when she had too much to drink? Over drinking for Koreans is like overeating for Americans. Other addictions exist but I won’t comment on that.

This is a very complicated issue. The more views we have on this topic, the better prepared we are in dealing with the problems that may come up.

Lastly, don’t rush into it. Take your time. It’s a bad sign when your love interest constantly discusses marriage or her Visa complications during the first year of the relationship. I have met some guys who decide to wed after 2 months and in the end, it didn’t last. Typically, they want to appeal to your sympathy during the passionate stage of the relationship (usually the first couple of months where endorphins are being readily released inside your brain) and your sense of logic is overridden by feelings of love and euphoria.

Ian

PS: Regardless of how bad you were burned by these ladies (and believe when I say, I've been there), you should not infer your opinions on the entire AMP population. If one person hurts you, then that person is responsible, not everyone in this industry (took me a long time to realize that).

These ladies are individuals, people with differing experiences, views, and backgrounds. Get to know them first by treating them with respect and dignity they deserve. When that happens, then you are able to formulate an opinion on this one person and whether or not you and her are compatible.

Don't ever mistake the fact that because of their profession, they are any less human than anyone else. When you decide pursue her, you are accepting her baggage as well.

[Sarang Haeyo]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Your fifth paragraph says it all. I've been trying to get that point through guys' heads for a year now.

For some of us, it's the perfect relationship. When we're together, we saturate each other. When she goes back to work, we get a break from each other. For me and Mrs. Haeyo, it's perfect.

Can't see myself, in a heated argument, hammering her about what she does for a living. I might be a lot of bad things; but I'm no hypocrite.

[TwistedBrother]

Thanks a lot, Ian, for the in-depth thoughtful response ... part of what I keep thinking is that the gals would want to leave the biz if they could find a guy who makes decent $. But I'm realizing it's far from simple like that.

Had an interesting conversation with a gal I went to last weekend - not my "interest," but another from another city where I was passing through and had not seen her in several months. An additional aspect that enlightened me was that she said she had put her whole heart into a first marriage and now the idea of ever doing it again was not appealing, no matter how good it looked. Staying independent and providing for her kids was more important. This from a gal in her mid-40s who's been around.

[Ian Dokkaebi]

Thanks a lot, Ian, for the in-depth thoughtful response ... part of what I keep thinking is that the gals would want to leave the biz if they could find a guy who makes decent $. But I'm realizing it's far from simple like that.

Had an interesting conversation with a gal I went to last weekend - not my "interest," but another from another city where I was passing through and had not seen her in several months. An additional aspect that enlightened me was that she said she had put her whole heart into a first marriage and now the idea of ever doing it again was not appealing, no matter how good it looked. Staying independent and providing for her kids was more important. This from a gal in her mid-40s who's been around.TB,

Your friend's account further proves that these ladies are human, no different than anyone else. They are susceptible to pain like the rest of us.

I firmly believe it takes two people to fuck up a relationship, regardless of who made the "fatal" move. The culprit often lies in the story that lead up to the fatal move.

In order for your relationship to work, you must be sensitive to her needs. Treat her differently than the men in her culture would treat the women in her culture. Cultural literacy proves very valuable. But more importantly, don't make harsh judgments about her culture. Ethnocentricity is never good.

From my experience, you may have her body at first, but it takes a while for you to have a piece of her heart. You will know when that happens. Give her time, try to understand her life and the things in her life that shaped her way of thinking.

Believe me when I say, their profession is worse than incarceration. Having a supportive and loving partner on the outside, who constantly reminds them how much they are loved, makes the time pass by faster; gives them something to look forward to in life.

When these ladies leave their place of employment, they often go back to an empty house with their Korean Drama as their main companion. Some never go home and drift from one friend's house to another.

On the opposite end, having an obsessed and delusional partner can drive them suicidal.

Ian

[James F]

Several years ago I visited Peking Spa in East Chicago In. (I believe they are still there) . I met a girl who called herself Janey. Although Korean she was very well spoken and articulate. As many of these girls are she was absolutely stunning and she loved her work. We connected in one hour on a level I would not have believed possible.When it was time to leave I asked for her number without success. She said she had been working her way through college and I was her last customer on her last night there. To my suprise she did accept my number. What suprised me so much is that I was old enough to be her father. Well about a month later she did call! She really was a college student. To make a long story short we have been married for 12 years without so much as one argument. She is an architect and her work takes us to Korea regularly. She is still absolutely stunning to look at and even after all this time every time we make love it is as exciting as the first time. There are happy endings.

[Toshiosamma]

Well said, Ian. I can add that my woman has opened up to me about her work, and I can tell you with authority that many of the girls in this business are sick to death of it, and deeply ashamed of what they do, even though they act the part very well on the job. Many of them also have very frugal lifestyles. Instead of spending their money at Bloomingdales, they use it to support their families, and sometimes their friends, too. I went through a period of feeling conflicted and jealous about her job, but it passed quickly as I got to know her and her motivations better. Now my only concern is for her health and safety. Otherwise, I am truly not troubled by it. After all, I visit her colleagues on a fairly regular basis, too. She works less now than she has for five or six years, and genuinely intends to quit the business within the next 12 months. She knows that as soon as she is ready to trust her future to me, she will never have to work again, but she has what she feels are remaining personal obligations that she has to meet independently first. I respect her for that.

My girl still smokes, but a lot less than when I met her. We have a deal. I smoke when she does, and I quit when she does. Since I was a non-smoker my whole life, she takes it seriously that I risk my health to help improve hers, and it seems to be working. She also drinks a little, but seldom overdoes it, and has no addictions to prescription drugs or illegal substances. She is, aside from being a prostitute, one of the cleanest-living and most honest people I have ever met, excluding from consideration those folks who are so constricted in their thinking and lifestyle as to be totally uninteresting.

Peace bro

[Ian Dokkaebi]

Thank you for validating my observations. The level of ignorance displayed by some members of this board, especially when it comes to this topic, continues to amaze me.

It's deplorable for some to be so judgmental, without putting an ounce of thought or effort in understanding the factors that shape this culture and the people in it.

I believe one day, the ignorant mass will pull their heads out of their asses and see the bigger picture.

Ian

[Bbbss]

Not sure where to post this?

Got a call from the wife.

Last night a group of 3 dudes was refused entry to the establishment.

Mama turned them away.All of them were falling down drunk and talking shit.
My girl didn't see them.This is what she was told.

10 minutes later 2 cruisers showed up.They got a call about a fight going on.
Nobody got in trouble.Girls or the patrons inside at the time.

It's obvious these morons called to get revenge or whatever.

This kind of crap is very uncool.Not just because I have a special interest in the safety of a particular girl.

Just in general.Not fucking cool.

Piss drunk and acting like an asshole is not a good way to become a welcome regular customer.Get over yourself.

Where and the name of this place shall remain anonymous as my girl is currently there.

I know I'm rambling a little but I need to vent.

HowRich(#3925)...Later

[Sarang Haeyo]

You're not alone bro'.

My wife is on a long vacation. The last place she was working got knocked over by two guys with fire arms. They took the cash for the day and the girls cel phones. My wife kept her phone in her robe, the guys didn't get it.

The owner of this place is smart, the $$ from the day is deposited in the bank through a taxi driver. He hadn't shown up yet when they were hit.

Just another occupational hazard.

I've offered to hang out at more than one of these joints to deter this kind of shit but the mama (and my wife) always told me that having me around would scare away business.

Wouldn't you love to be there though when assholes like this, armed or not, show up?

[IrishMale]

This is a little off topic and I apologize for that but I feel it's important nevertheless, especially to those involved in relationships and/or who have friends in the business. Was told today by an owner that her business had a visit from INS. She was told that all workers had better have a license or they were going to be sent home. I suspect this means anyone with temp cards and permanent green cards. It's probably not that easy to deport a citizen. In any event, it's just one more screw being tightened on the safest and cleanest way to participate. This is in a southeast state so it might not be a nationwide issue but the INS is a federal agency.

[Sarang Haeyo]

This is a little off topic and I apologize for that but I feel it's important nevertheless, especially to those involved in relationships and/or who have friends in the business. Was told today by an owner that her business had a visit from INS. She was told that all workers had better have a license or they were going to be sent home. I suspect this means anyone with temp cards and permanent green cards. It's probably not that easy to deport a citizen. In any event, it's just one more screw being tightened on the safest and cleanest way to participate. This is in a southeast state so it might not be a nationwide issue but the INS is a federal agency.
If a girl has a permanent GC she's safe. She'll pay fines, do community service etc. Our attorney told us that there all many ways to avoid deportation; throwing money at the problem helps. There are several programs that allow a girl to stay here if she's applying for a GC. It's all about the $$.

Don't worry about your post being off topic. This is just another one of the pitfalls that comes with being in a "Relationship with a Massage Provider".

[Nosferato Fury]

How do I start a relationship with an AMP girl, that is more than just when I visit.

I've read most of the board but it's mostly posts dealing with the relationships, and an argument between members.

I wanna know how to get a real meaningfull relationship started as crazy as that sounds.

Any thoughts on the subject good or bad would be appreciated.

[Daka1]

How do I start a relationship with an AMP girl.

Any thoughts on the subject good or bad would be appreciated.FWIW, I'd think your best chances would be to just be pleasant and try to make conversation, even if she doesn't speak much English. Be persistent in trying to communicate. It helps if you can pantomime when verbal communication breaks down. Make eye contact and smile a lot. Show her respect.

Be careful about asking too many personal questions of the type that might set off alarm bells.

If she's open to such a thing in the first place, and if you're not too old or too young, you may have a chance.

Good luck, and let us know of your adventures.

D

[LeveeWalker]

Intresting posts. After the 3rd time seeing my freind she asked to exchange phone no. And said she did not want to see me at the MP anymore. Now sometimes we will call one another and go eat and then go to my place and enjoy each other. I have on occasion taken her to visit her cousin in a town 2 hrs away. She even offers to buy the gas. She is an older but still attractive lady but she is not a gold digger, just someone who wanted a freind and we clicked on my first visit. I have my guard on "stealth" mode but I don't think it's needed.

[Layla]

Escorts, good luck but they have the same baggage as SW's just a lot more money and i wouldn't believe a word any of them say other then "see ya sucker"

JackNow that is NOT always the case and you are stepping over the line talking this way. ALL Escorts are NOT "stereotype". There are many classes of "escorts".

It wouldn't be a wise idea to continue categorizing "escorts". It is obvious YOU have NOT met many or at least decent providers/escorts.

It is wrong for you to say that escorts have the same baggage as SW's etc. I am not strung out on drugs and I don't have a lot of baggage and if I did It would not nor does is ever become an issue with a gent. I think you should do a reality check and or see more ESCORTS with CLASS instead of spouting out negative comments.

PM me if you don't understand

Thanks

Layla

[Two Nutts]

I've had a close relationship with an asian girl here in Kentucky for a couple years now. She is probably my age I'm 50. So she ain't no spring chicken. But shes got a killer tight bod. I get two bbbj everytime I vist, or a bj and then fs. Some visits last until morning, with a hj throwed in before I leave. We have gone out for pizza once. If the phone rings while I'm there she will answer, but will ask if I'm spending the night, One time I said yes and she told the other customer she was not available. From other mongers on the board they pay 60-80 for their session, I've been giving her 100 for the last year and ahalf. She seems very greatful. I know I'm lucky to get all this plus a great massage, so why do I continue to look for escorts while I'm traveling? Stupid I guess.

just my .02

two nutts

[Asain_Ucker]

I just need some feedback on this situation I may be in. I've been "F"ing a cute korean amp girl on a weekly basis over the last year. Sometimes twice a week. She and I seem to have hit it off, but I don't know my next move. I have done nothing or bought her any gifts, cards, or flowers. She has given me her cell phone number and we talk once in a while, but mostly her schedule, the days she will be working.
She has gotten me some expensive gifts for Xmas and Bday along with cards. I've kidded around with her that I would marry her one day, but I don’t know if she's taken it serious. She always hugs me and I don’t mean your standard amp hug. I can tell a hug that has thoughts and closeness associated with it.
Anyway, I've been ready some of the posts on this forum. She fits some of the typical amp girl characteristics that are talked about. Loneliness, insecure, sometimes paranoid. I got to admit I do like her and have some feelings for her. I'd marry her in a heartbeat, although I'd like to get to know her a lot better first of course. If anyone reads this and has comments (good or bad) please reply of pm me. I'll listen and try and reason with and advise.

[IrishMale]

I just need some feedback on this situation I may be in. I've been "F"ing a cute korean amp girl on a weekly basis over the last year. Sometimes twice a week. She and I seem to have hit it off, but I don't know my next move. I have done nothing or bought her any gifts, cards, or flowers. She has given me her cell phone number and we talk once in a while, but mostly her schedule, the days she will be working.
She has gotten me some expensive gifts for Xmas and Bday along with cards. I've kidded around with her that I would marry her one day, but I don’t know if she's taken it serious. She always hugs me and I don’t mean your standard amp hug. I can tell a hug that has thoughts and closeness associated with it.
Anyway, I've been ready some of the posts on this forum. She fits some of the typical amp girl characteristics that are talked about. Loneliness, insecure, sometimes paranoid. I got to admit I do like her and have some feelings for her. I'd marry her in a heartbeat, although I'd like to get to know her a lot better first of course. If anyone reads this and has comments (good or bad) please reply of pm me. I'll listen and try and reason with and advise.

Take it as it comes. Enjoy what you can from it. Asking for a date isn't easy because of the way AMP girls work, but they do take vacations for extended periods. Ask her when her next vacation is and what she'll be doing. Suggest she spend it with you. If she says she has other plans, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Be careful of your feelings but not so careful that you don't enjoy the time with her if a long term relationship is not in the cards. Understand that AMP girls normally look for someone with money and who is generous. They often become dependent on their significant other for just about everything and entering into a relationship for them is ofen a test run to see if you can support them. If you cannot provide that, they often return to the business. Note that I am not saying all are like that but you need to be alert to the signs if you do decide to become involved with her. If you're getting treatement from the menu and only paying the house fee then you are being given preferential treatment. On the other hand, if you are expected to pay for menu items in addition to the house fee then she is just taking very good care of a very good customer. Try asking her to have breakfast with you or to go for a drink after hours. If she's interested, she will find a way but be patient. She may have to find a way to work it into her schedule. I think your best course of action is to try to get her to spend her vacation with you or part of it with you. Good luck and be careful about that heartbeat stuff. Wait for the heartbeat to slow down a little and get some experience in a relationship with her before you make any decisions about your future.

[Bbbss]

She has given me her cell phone number and we talk once in a while, but mostly her schedule, the days she will be working.

She has gotten me some expensive gifts for Xmas and Bday along with cards.

I'd marry her in a heartbeat, although I'd like to get to know her a lot better first of course.Cell Phone. You are not the only one. 99. 9% do that. Like you said you see her regularly. Valued, reliable customer.

Buying you gifts. She probably thinks your a decent guy.

Heartbeat. Slow down buddy. Like I have said in past posts. Don't mistake a little extra attention for true affection and a possible real life relationship. She could be a bullshit artist or a genuine sweetheart.

[Kudlow]

I just need some feedback on this situation I may be in. I've been "F"ing a cute korean amp girl on a weekly basis over the last year. Sometimes twice a week. She and I seem to have hit it off, but I don't know my next move. I have done nothing or bought her any gifts, cards, or flowers. She has given me her cell phone number and we talk once in a while, but mostly her schedule, the days she will be working.
She has gotten me some expensive gifts for Xmas and Bday along with cards. I've kidded around with her that I would marry her one day, but I don’t know if she's taken it serious. She always hugs me and I don’t mean your standard amp hug. I can tell a hug that has thoughts and closeness associated with it.
Anyway, I've been ready some of the posts on this forum. She fits some of the typical amp girl characteristics that are talked about. Loneliness, insecure, sometimes paranoid. I got to admit I do like her and have some feelings for her. I'd marry her in a heartbeat, although I'd like to get to know her a lot better first of course. If anyone reads this and has comments (good or bad) please reply of pm me. I'll listen and try and reason with and advise.

I don't want this to come across as a negative post but it might sound that way. It's just my opinion and you can accept it or reject it. With that said and with my experience of 'almost marrying' an amp girl, let me say a few things.

You said you would marry her in a heartbeat, but you want to get to know her first. Don't let your lust for her cloud your judgment. Be objective about what you want in a woman. If you have children or want children, what kind of mom will she be. She probably doesn't have a lot of experience doing much else. And remember, kids like to imitate their parents. Think about if you have a daughter with her.

If you date her and fall in love with her while she's working as a prostitute, how do you feel about her servicing 10 men and then having a late dinner with you? Read some of the posts on this and other websites and see how other men treat her. This is her experience, extra baggage and not easily forgotten.

She is well practiced in making each and every customer feel like a king. She does this every time she goes to work. She will tell (lie) to anyone to let them know they are number 1 with her. I'm not saying she doesn't have real feelings for you, it sounds like she does. These girls are still human even though some guys treat them like animals.

So say you two get serious and you ask her to quit working. Will you take care of her financially from that point forward? These days, two incomes are the norm. What other work can she do?

Since I don't know you and what type of person you are, I can't say if anything I've said makes a bit of difference. I have friends who cheat on their wives and wives that cheat on their husbands. In the end, when you go to sleep at night you need to decide who and what you are and whether it makes a difference to you what your girlfriend/wife did or does.

One last point to make. How is your communication with her? Can you carry on a deep conversation with her? Or do you end up talking about the weather? Have you had a conversation about religion, politics, or the corrupt oil companies raping our pocketbooks. Maybe it doesn't matter. Anyways this is just my 2 cents and I wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide.

[Clinton Bush]

I just need some feedback on this situation I may be in. I've been "F"ing a cute korean amp girl on a weekly basis over the last year. Sometimes twice a week. She and I seem to have hit it off, but I don't know my next move. I have done nothing or bought her any gifts, cards, or flowers. She has given me her cell phone number and we talk once in a while, but mostly her schedule, the days she will be working.
She has gotten me some expensive gifts for Xmas and Bday along with cards. I've kidded around with her that I would marry her one day, but I don’t know if she's taken it serious. She always hugs me and I don’t mean your standard amp hug. I can tell a hug that has thoughts and closeness associated with it.
Anyway, I've been ready some of the posts on this forum. She fits some of the typical amp girl characteristics that are talked about. Loneliness, insecure, sometimes paranoid. I got to admit I do like her and have some feelings for her. I'd marry her in a heartbeat, although I'd like to get to know her a lot better first of course. If anyone reads this and has comments (good or bad) please reply of pm me. I'll listen and try and reason with and advise.
I absolutely agree with the advice from the other guys here about taking it very slow, considering what you want in a wife and how she may or may not fit in with that. Also your reaction to her past and/or plans to see if she can transition inot another job. Keep in mind that hse may be working to send money to other family members (children, parents, siblings, even a husband).

Having said that and appropriately cautioned, what's the next step to take?

Go to the bookstore and pick up a book about Korean culture. Learn a few simple phrases and how to pronounce them in her native dialect. Find a Korean restaurant in the area and visit her at a slow time bringing her carry out. This will impress her that you have taken the time to learn about her background and that you see her as more than a partner for some p4p sex.

Continue to woo her like this for another 6 weeks and THEN ask her out.
Take your time here and do not be too disappointed if the relationship gets no closer. However talk to her. If she sees you are a decent guy maybe she has a sister, cousin, friend etc. in Korea that she can connect you with.

Cross-cultural relationships take a lot of work and you must learn to see things from her point of view based on her background as well as your own.

Good Luck!

CB

[Sarang Haeyo]

I've been with my K-girl for four years as of today. We've been married for 15 months.

There's quite a bit to consider when getting involved with these babes; most of which is not mentioned in the posts below.

I could lay out the entire process for you but frankly, it would take too long and it being a beautiful day here, I'm going outside.

Feel free to PM me w/questions. You are going to have a lot more than you did in your initial post about this.

[Asain_Ucker]

Fellow mongers,
1st of all I like to say thanks for all the comments. You guys are cool and caring. I will take all advice and try and figure out how to proceed on. I know my "heartbeat" comment was out of line. That was just my cock talking. I admit I'd luv to have this girl in my bedroom every night, wouldn't we all. I know there is way more to life than just the bedroom.
I'll approach this situation very causally and will definitely send more posts for comments as time goes on. The culture adjustment would be my hardest adjustment. The her being a *****/prostitute doesn't phase me. I could accept that. Maybe I not old fashion. The financial situation would be an issue also if she’s supporting family in Korea. I am financially set but would not want to help. I mean I could to a certain point but not forever.
Anyway for now I'll just enjoy her and her body at the AMP. Got another question for all you. Is there any truth to yellow fever?? I started "F"ing Asians (Koreans) about 10 yr's ago and haven't stopped. They seem to be the only thing that turns me on now

[Sarang Haeyo]

Anyway for now I'll just enjoy her and her body at the AMP. Got another question for all you. Is there any truth to yellow fever?? I started "F"ing Asians (Koreans) about 10 yr's ago and haven't stopped. They seem to be the only thing that turns me on now
Good idea to "just enjoy her and her body at the AMP."

You show a lack of respect with that comment along with your use of the terms "F"ing Asians" and "yellow fever."

Speaking with a bit more regard for this group: I've been involved with these women for over 12 years and will NEVER (and I say that with complete confidence) exhibit any interest in another race. It's Korean women only for me. Hope that answers your question.

[Bbbss]

You show a lack of respect with that comment along with your use of the terms "F"ing Asians" and "yellow fever".I agree 100%. Rather pompous of you. As in alot of your other posts regarding these girls. I'm bored so I checked. I know. Pathetic, aren't I?

While in a conversational way. Not really meaning disrespect. You refer to them as wh**es and bi***es. But it still shows where your coming from.

Also. This might end up turning into a problem in you dating or marrying your hot K-Girl. From 3-1-06. Sexual Addiction Reports. Again under the title of Yellow Fever. "I'm a mid 40's married monger. ". Key word is 'Married'.

Anyway. Don't want to turn this thread back into a big pile of shit like it did before. Just keep it simple and what it is. Pay for play. Nothing wrong with that.

[Clinton Bush]

Good idea to "just enjoy her and her body at the AMP."

You show a lack of respect with that comment along with your use of the terms "F"ing Asians" and "yellow fever."

Speaking with a bit more regard for this group: I've been involved with these women for over 12 years and will NEVER (and I say that with complete confidence) exhibit any interest in another race. It's Korean women only for me. Hope that answers your question.

Sarang is right. There is nothing wrong with enjoying her at the AMP, but if you are insincere then do not try to pursue a relationship other than as a customer. You will not do well with ANY woman, if you show a lack of respect.

CB

[Sarang Haeyo]

I agree 100%. Rather pompous of you. As in alot of your other posts regarding these girls. I'm bored so I checked. I know. Pathetic, aren't I?

While in a conversational way. Not really meaning disrespect. You refer to them as wh**es and bi***es. But it still shows where your coming from.

Also. This might end up turning into a problem in you dating or marrying your hot K-Girl. From 3-1-06. Sexual Addiction Reports. Again under the title of Yellow Fever. "I'm a mid 40's married monger. ". Key word is 'Married'.

Anyway. Don't want to turn this thread back into a big pile of shit like it did before. Just keep it simple and what it is. Pay for play. Nothing wrong with that.
that the post quoted is directed towards Asain_Ucker. I didn't check the guy's other posts. The one about "yellow fever" says it all.

I, too, would prefer this thread not deteriorate as it has in the past but whenever I see what I consider to be a disrespectful post, I have to jump on it. My soft spot for Korean women is very sensitive.

[Asain_Ucker]

Again thanks for the comments. I didn't by no means mean to be disrespectful. Sorry it came out that way. I respect all races n colors, its just I can joke and take a joke, but thats as far as it goes. Many of my buddies have since of humors so thats why I have that way of speech. I will tone it down on these seriuos matters. Bbbss, ur correct, I am marrried but almost done with the divorce. Soon it will be complete.
Anyway if all have more comments on my situation, feel free to fire away. I will continue to make love to her at the AMP as time goes on.

[Number908]

You guys all brought up very good points. Sometimes we need others to give us an objective view of the situation. As a single guy (by choice) in my early 30's, I dated a lot of late 20's and early 30's asian girls that would bring up financial status during a conversation. Interesting enough most would bring that up before I "test drove! " At least with AMPs, you know what you're getting into. The ultimate question is will you get past her profession and treat her like how she wants to be treated outside of AMP. Or will you feel jaded with just a kiss good night after you spend a franklin or two on dinner and a night out?

[John G Smith]

Interesting thread.

Though most of the posts in this thread revolve around long-term relationships with a provider. I'm curious to hear about experiences with just having a casual/short term relationships or f*ck buddy. That's personally what I'm interested in.

I know Pay-to-Play at the AMP is fine, but it might be nice to be able to see them outside the work environment so mama-san is beating on the door after 30 minutes or the door-bell isn't ringing every 5 minutes.

Anybody willing to share their experiences with meeting them outside of work, but not looking for a LTR?

[SpiceyDig]

I have been seeing a girl from an amp on and off for the past 3 years. It is very weird as I have found that all she is looking for is to get married and be taking care of so she does not have to work.

In the first year or so it was great, we would spend time in NYC with all of her AMP friends and go out drinking and a few times I ended up with her and a friend in my room which was a lot of fun.

After a while I relized I was the one who paid for dinner and drinks and would spend $300 to $400 a night so in the end was it worth it????

Now she has left the AMP world and I only see her when I am in NY and buy her dinner, we go back to motel have sex and she goes home.




Interesting thread.

Though most of the posts in this thread revolve around long-term relationships with a provider. I'm curious to hear about experiences with just having a casual/short term relationships or f*ck buddy. That's personally what I'm interested in.

I know Pay-to-Play at the AMP is fine, but it might be nice to be able to see them outside the work environment so mama-san is beating on the door after 30 minutes or the door-bell isn't ringing every 5 minutes.

Anybody willing to share their experiences with meeting them outside of work, but not looking for a LTR?

[A John]

I know many who are looking for the LTR, some that are married or boyfriends who are just looking for some fun. Others who are just looking for the green card.

I don't think it matters about the money. You're going to pay one way or another on the outside you're going to pay more however you get the overnight visits. I guess depending on the girls personality/etiquette some of them enjoy treating you as well dinner, karaoke, drinks and even presents etc. Just for example I`ve going to Vegas and spend thousands at Christmas I received a silver and gold Mont Blanc initialed silver and gold pin, 2-1/2 KT diamond earings some shoes, shirts and pants. This was all from a lady who was married and just enjoyed being treated nice for one week no strings attached. In the AMP you pay less for the doorbell's, mamasan knocking and table shower etc. There something about the table shower vs. standup shower, granted any shower with company is a good just my preference a experienced table shower is awesome.

You first have to spend a little bit of time inside trying to get your connection phone numbers are a good start, chit chat periodically
(don't be over interested/possessive big turnoff) bring a small special gift. This helps get you foot in the door a little quicker. Just been nice and treating him with respect is also helpful. If you think about it almost everybody that comes in their has the mindset that they paid for this so you owe me. Try leaving this mentality out find out what pleases them. Special ladies I've actually spent the time for the hour and told her just to take a one-hour rest or just massage them for one-hour talking this really scored high on the point system. Most every human likes companionship so just take your time and understand going into it it costs money.

Most all of them I know enjoy doing some kind of work they like making money. For the most part their just not lazy people.







I have been seeing a girl from an amp on and off for the past 3 years. It is very weird as I have found that all she is looking for is to get married and be taking care of so she does not have to work.

In the first year or so it was great, we would spend time in NYC with all of her AMP friends and go out drinking and a few times I ended up with her and a friend in my room which was a lot of fun.

After a while I relized I was the one who paid for dinner and drinks and would spend $300 to $400 a night so in the end was it worth it????

Now she has left the AMP world and I only see her when I am in NY and buy her dinner, we go back to motel have sex and she goes home.





Interesting thread.

Though most of the posts in this thread revolve around long-term relationships with a provider. I'm curious to hear about experiences with just having a casual/short term relationships or f*ck buddy. That's personally what I'm interested in.

I know Pay-to-Play at the AMP is fine, but it might be nice to be able to see them outside the work environment so mama-san is beating on the door after 30 minutes or the door-bell isn't ringing every 5 minutes.

Anybody willing to share their experiences with meeting them outside of work, but not looking for a LTR?

[SpiceyDig]

Very well put. That is how I ended up with my girl. Please do not take what I said as a bad thing, I just wanted to point out my thoughts. I will say I had a lot of fun and would marry her, however she just wants the green card and not to work anymore.

I do know that I am the only one she ever see's as she does not trust americans, as a result of working in the amp, I have spent alot of time with her family as well, that is how I know where I stand.


I know many who are looking for the LTR, some that are married or boyfriends who are just looking for some fun. Others who are just looking for the green card.

I don't think it matters about the money. You're going to pay one way or another on the outside you're going to pay more however you get the overnight visits. I guess depending on the girls personality/etiquette some of them enjoy treating you as well dinner, karaoke, drinks and even presents etc. Just for example I`ve going to Vegas and spend thousands at Christmas I received a silver and gold Mont Blanc initialed silver and gold pin, 2-1/2 KT diamond earings some shoes, shirts and pants. This was all from a lady who was married and just enjoyed being treated nice for one week no strings attached. In the AMP you pay less for the doorbell's, mamasan knocking and table shower etc. There something about the table shower vs. standup shower, granted any shower with company is a good just my preference a experienced table shower is awesome.

You first have to spend a little bit of time inside trying to get your connection phone numbers are a good start, chit chat periodically
(don't be over interested/possessive big turnoff) bring a small special gift. This helps get you foot in the door a little quicker. Just been nice and treating him with respect is also helpful. If you think about it almost everybody that comes in their has the mindset that they paid for this so you owe me. Try leaving this mentality out find out what pleases them. Special ladies I've actually spent the time for the hour and told her just to take a one-hour rest or just massage them for one-hour talking this really scored high on the point system. Most every human likes companionship so just take your time and understand going into it it costs money.

Most all of them I know enjoy doing some kind of work they like making money. For the most part their just not lazy people.

[TwistedBrother]

I've been trying to foster a relationship with an Asian masseuse again. I don't really want to say much more right now, for various reasons, but definitely an atypical place, girl and situation. I will share more, on this thread when the time is right, or via PM to those of you I've talked with before.

[Cudjoe Man]

Let me know more about the relationship if it matures. I do have a Chinese that I see from time to time. It's an apartment setup. When I visit I usually take a shower and end up with a nice massage and FS, even had one of her friend join us once. She sometimes advertise in CL but she is very nice. I've been seeing her for over thre years now and would love a nice change with someone just as nice.

Thanks for any info


I've been trying to foster a relationship with an Asian masseuse again. I don't really want to say much more right now, for various reasons, but definitely an atypical place, girl and situation. I will share more, on this thread when the time is right, or via PM to those of you I've talked with before.

[StreetDater]

This is a great thread. Very glad I stumbled upon it. I too have often wondered what it would take to see one or two of my favorite K girls on the "outside". My current interest is actually the mamasan at my regular AMP located in a very small southern town. She was actually my very first AMP experience. We have had some ups and downs (literally) but of late have been getting along famously. Her main problem with me was that I would come to her after having had a bit too much to drink. Once she set me straight all has been well. She doesn't normally "work" the parlor. Like I said she is the mamasan, but will take care of me upon request. I would like to bring her a small gift, maybe in the 50-100 dollar range or so. Can anyone recommend something that an older, perhaps mid 50s K lady would enjoy. Perfume or something along those lines. I am clueless in this matter and would appreciate any help. Is there something that Ks are particularly fond of? A special brand of cologne perhaps. I live in a larger town and could possibly get something for her not readily available at her location.

Thanks in advance.

[Joe Bagodonuts]

It seems once you get to be known as a good guy who they can trust your chances increase of fostering a relationship. Two years ago I started seeing a provider on the side. She was the one who started the relationship. She went back to Korea in December 07, but my luck continued. Her coworkers now took an interest in me. It seems like when one thinks you are a good guy and she talks about you to her coworkers others follow. I have been seeing one of her coworkers for over a year. We go out after she gets off, I buy her stuff she needs, she always pays me back, I lend her money, she lends me money, I bring her dinner, she cooks me dinner, and of course we sex off the clock. I know she has feelings for me but she is trying to resist them. I am moving soon and have ask her to go with me. She can not decide what to do. She has been in the business about five years and seems to be good at it and makes a ton of money. However like most asians she has a gambling problem which I am not to thrilled with and I am moving to Las Vegas!

Good luck to you all!

[IrishMale]

Many of these ladies are nice and fun to be with off the job. They will often find ways to do little things that are very nice. In some instances they will spend a pretty fair amount of money on you. Because of their business, they are also very good in the bedroom. However, the money they make - sometimes a lot and very quickly - is a strong pull for them. It's hard for them to give it up and those I have known intimately often give it up but then return to the business because they want the big money fast. Sometimes they make it and other times they don't but they never forget how good it can be. The worst part of these relationships has been, at least for me, the hard drinking and heavy gambling. They hit it hard, heavy and fast when they start drinking and some go nearly into a stupor. They may be able to stay away from the casino for a length of time but then the bug hits them or they have a lot of money on hand and they just have to gamble. I've had some really great experiences and relationships that eventually ended because of the gambling and drinking. There are probably some out there who don't have one or the other vice but I haven't met one yet. And it's hard to overcome the draw of the money they can earn, which makes them feel very independent.


It seems once you get to be known as a good guy who they can trust your chances increase of fostering a relationship. Two years ago I started seeing a provider on the side. She was the one who started the relationship. She went back to Korea in December 07, but my luck continued. Her coworkers now took an interest in me. It seems like when one thinks you are a good guy and she talks about you to her coworkers others follow. I have been seeing one of her coworkers for over a year. We go out after she gets off, I buy her stuff she needs, she always pays me back, I lend her money, she lends me money, I bring her dinner, she cooks me dinner, and of course we sex off the clock. I know she has feelings for me but she is trying to resist them. I am moving soon and have ask her to go with me. She can not decide what to do. She has been in the business about five years and seems to be good at it and makes a ton of money. However like most asians she has a gambling problem which I am not to thrilled with and I am moving to Las Vegas!

Good luck to you all!

[TwistedBrother]

It's good to see my thread still has legs. I didn't get very far with the attempt I started in January, and currently am trying to develop a relationship "outside the biz" with someone I've met in my line of work. Not an Asian or anything, but a gal out of state that I really like who is in the same line of work as me, basically. I guess it's been close to two months since I really mongered, so we'll see what happens.

I love the hobby, but I guess I'd prefer a "real relationship" if I can hang. I'm 0 for 2 with marriages, and this isn't anywhere near that yet, but we'll see.

[Joe Bagodonuts]

I to am a gambler but this girl goes into a trance when she gambles. I don't even want to be around her and often walk off and leave her alone! The other night she called me when she got off and wanted me to pick her up and take her to the casino, she doesn't drive. I complied and before I could even park the car she was already at it! About 4 am I got tired and told her I was going to the room and for her to call me when she wanted to go home. Well at 7am I got up to go look for her, she was gone. Later that day I called her she said she did not want to wake me up and took a cab home. When I asked her how she did all she said was " I lost alot of money". I asked nothing more. Pretty scaring stuff. Another one I been seeing told me she started with 500 at blackjack and won 10k. The next night she went out with her friends and asked me to come along. I watched her lose 6k of that 10k. More scaring stuff. I am seeing the first one this weekend. She got me three nights comped at her favorite hotel/casino where she is a highroller. I am sure I will have more horror stories to tell on Monday! They make big money but they spend every penny of it and more. A friend of hers owes somebody 200k she lost gambling. That is a 1000 boom boom sessions at 200 a pop! That pussy be hanging down to her knees by then!

[Johnjohnjr2000]

Stay tuned guys...I have a superrelationship with AMP service provider and it is getting better every day. I have tried three times and the third time it worked. The two times it was only phone talk on cell phones but this time I found someone at a different spa..I have been with the girl outside the SPA. The only thing that sucks is that she works seven days a week so we have to do stuff after work which is very late. She is different from the other girls. I will explain more later but this is truly an adventure. Of course, I have to think about her business/lifestyle with being with so many dicks on a daily basis..so I have so many thoughts and confusion but it appears to be real thing so the question for me is how long is she going to do dicks?

[IrishMale]

The best approach to take for your own emotional well being is to assume she will until she loses her looks, her desire, or is not considered by spa owners/managers to be marketable. This may not be the case but it helps if and when it becomes clear she isn't going to give 'em up. More likely, it's the money that will be the draw. They always seem to go back when they want more money or, if they gamble, when the urge overpowers them. Best of luck and, most of all, enjoy it to the max. Even though they don't always last a long time, I have some great memories after I learned to be prepared for the worst and look for the best.


Stay tuned guys...I have a superrelationship with AMP service provider and it is getting better every day. I have tried three times and the third time it worked. The two times it was only phone talk on cell phones but this time I found someone at a different spa..I have been with the girl outside the SPA. The only thing that sucks is that she works seven days a week so we have to do stuff after work which is very late. She is different from the other girls. I will explain more later but this is truly an adventure. Of course, I have to think about her business/lifestyle with being with so many dicks on a daily basis..so I have so many thoughts and confusion but it appears to be real thing so the question for me is how long is she going to do dicks?

[Notnoob]

Ok after my divorce, over the last ten years I've had vacation/off time relations with five providers in addition to having one move in for three months downtime and her away from work home. I wasn't looking for another mistaken marriage, so kept it casual. What I found was two of the five were liars and con-artists just looking for someone to use, but one of which trusted me enough to have me sometimes hold $10-12k of hers (she was a local fav and was easily pulling down $15k/month). One was sincere, but with a small child back in Korea was ONLY focused on the green card from me (or anyone) and bringing her child here to live. The other two were good people, never asking anything from me, and they didn't have any issues with gambling, drugs, booze, or smoking (rare). These semi-relationships tended to last 10-18 months before running their course. [I'd visited these ladies as they moved for work to SF, NY, and DC].

I no longer visit FS AMPs and have been seeing a 36 yr old R&T provider with kids (8-15yo) who recently opened her own store. Her husband was a major abusive jerk and deserted the family high and dry after their divorce. In my mind, although it's easy enough to get into a relationship with a younger FS provider, anything longer you're most likely will have better chances with a lady from a R&T place. You can find a honest LTR, but like everything YMMV, so use the bighead.

Best of luck and be safe. Notnoob.

[Notnoob]

None of the providers I'd had a thing with outside of work were forced to be there, it was about making money and providing for their family:

1. (35) Was a liar and found out later she was still married in Korea. Her goal was to build up a $150k stake before returning to her husband. (so-so).

2. (28) Divorced with five year old child living with family in Korea. (very nice person, but focused on the green card).

3. (35-38? ) Divorced with 13 year old child living with family in Korea. (Top notch, honest, no vices, after we split heard she got married and moved to CT).

4. (28) Never married, failed business in Korea, lost a ton of money and owed more than $120k and even more to her family. Supported elderly parents and newly married brother (20). (paid off her loans and was making serious money, but was looking for a husband so they could open their own FS store and rake it in). Moved to NY, last I heard. (major liar, jerk, as in I need a $2500 purse, $700 shoes, and $350 sunglasses).

5. (36) Met her off and on at several places before we finally got together. Very, very slow to get into anything like a relationship ( 4 years).

I'm a fairly average looking guy, was 40-50 during this time, and have a better than average income.

[IrishMale]

I have had the experience of being asked to hold a fair amount of money at times and even a small bag or suitcase for periods of time. At the time it felt good to be trusted but I discovered that small bag (a little larger than cosmetics size) was completely full of condoms. It didn't bother me at first and it even amused me but in retrospect I began thinking about the ramifications. My car was often at the AMP and I provided transportation to do errands like shopping at the oriental market. It occured to me that if the place and/or person was being observed I could, through my own ignorance (and, I confess, a certain amount of ego), have been found complicit in the business. I had nothing to do with it but without fully understanding what I was doing I was being involved in the business end of the relationship. I don't think there was any intent on the lady's part but it might not have mattered if she had gotten into any trouble.


...What I found was two of the five were liars and con-artists just looking for someone to use, but one of which trusted me enough to have me sometimes hold $10-12k of hers (she was a local fav and was easily pulling down $15k/month)...

[TwistedBrother]

Irish Male -
Wow, thanks for all that ... definitely shows the range of possibilities. It's one thing to make generalizations from a single experience, or two, but having had several, you can really say YMMV.

[IrishMale]

Everyone has different experiences and a handful of relationships does not an expert make. However, I notice that those of us who have had experiences with relationships have similar experiences and tales to tell. This is one that I haven't related and hadn't thought about until this week. I also havent' seen a similar report here.

In all but one relationship I've had, the lady had a child or children. Each had let the child go with an ex husband or with family back home. Each eventually confessed in relaxed moments to have a strained relationship with their child or children. What brought it to mind this week was spending time with someone who did work in an AMP and who had a friend with her who did not work in an AMP. She did work in an adult industry but not sex related. The friend and I talked for awhile and shared some background about ourselves and she told me that she had a daughter who she left with her husband when they separated. She later confided that her husband was an alcoholic.

In another instance in which I did not have a relationship with but knew a lady from an AMP where I dated the owner, I overheard the lady, a young worker, arguing with her husband on the phone about being in Florida while he was home on Long Island with their infant child. Her argument was that she couldn't bring up a baby if she didn't work. He owned his own business and according to the lady and my girl friend at the time, he did quite well so I did not understand the reasoning of the argument.

It may be that they are protecting their kids, it may be that I just met a few who let their kids go with someone else, or it may be that there is something more going on intellectually, emotionally, or psychologically than we understand. Those I've been in relationships with place a high value on money and while they do not seem to be independent (based on the fact that they seem glued to the AMP) when they weren't at the AMP they went where they wanted to whether I wanted to go or not, and did what they wanted to do whether I wanted to or not. And, those I have been in relationships with were not reluctant at all to say they didn't want to do something I wanted to do or say they didn't want to go somewhere with me. I also had experiences where they would agree to do something with me only to decide they were going to do something else when the time came.

These experiences cannot be sufficient to say it's the same for all AMP girls but it did seem to be an unusual enough set of experiences to report here for those new to or considering relationships with an AMP girl.

My best advice is, as reported earlier, enjoy it while you can, be prepared for the worst and look for the best. I would not hesitate to become involved again but I also would do so with eyes wide open.

[Tryan123]

so I have so many thoughts and confusion but it appears to be real thing so the question for me is how long is she going to do dicks?As long as she needs to. Basically, unless you can replicate her income, she will not stop anytime soon. Maybe they say they need money to open their own place, and then they can stop, but there is little you can do when it comes time to keep the regular customers happy.

Not that this is a bad thing at all, but certainly worth thinking about, particularly if you are going to be emotionally attached.

[Johnjohnjr2000]

Gents/Brothers

You all were right! A lot has changed in my life since April to include an expensive move among among other things. So, my "girl" stop calling me three times a day to about twice a week to this past month never.

I guess when she found out I didn't want to buy her car, an apartment and a $3000 tennis bracelet and she told me she had customers that offered lots of things..I guess..I couldn't justify my love for her...LOL!

Also after reading about her on this website about things she did with customers but wouldn't do with me..just upset and every now and then she would tell me to hurry up or I was taking too long like I was customer..I never thought a woman six years older than me would rock my world but life is good. I'm over 12 hours away from her so I can't meet or see her and I will not cal her.

Some of you warned me about gambling..didn't believe until she suggested I go to a Casino with her co-workers also her intention to quit next month was placed on hold indefinetly due some "emergency" and the thought that she missed her son's high school graduation in the USA further showed me she is all about the money.

Yes, I know you all told me about this I'm glad you did because my head is up..all the free sex I guess would eventually come to an end..oh well. This 45 Year old woman looks early 30's but oh well..afterall she did drop out of high school in korea so not much to offer me and she does not have citizenship only a green card..she "needs' to study.

It was awesome but I guess all good things come to an end

cheers!


As long as she needs to. Basically, unless you can replicate her income, she will not stop anytime soon. Maybe they say they need money to open their own place, and then they can stop, but there is little you can do when it comes time to keep the regular customers happy.

Not that this is a bad thing at all, but certainly worth thinking about, particularly if you are going to be emotionally attached.

[Vaquero]

When I lived in New York, I had a semi-regular Chinese massage therapist.

She'd do the HJ, and then tease at more with a brief kiss. Then one day, after I'd convinced her to take off her clothes for a massage, the next thing you know, she rolled over and was trying to pull my cock into her, saying "Fuck me, fuck me" in a way that reminded me of the movie "Full Metal Jacket" when they're getting ready to blast that sniper. Needless to say, I now have a woody as I type this.

Anyway, for the next few sessions, I'd go in, bang before and after a massage and I'd only tip 20 bucks. After awhile, she put me off, looking for bigger tips.

But she moved to another city, and I'd still call her now and then. One night, she put her boss on the phone. Her boss, in her early 30s, decided by phone alone to come visit me.

So we screwed a little at my place. A few months later, I met her at a hotel in Chicago, and that was a fuck marathon. Awesome. And then she fed me and massaged me.

And she came out to where I live now, and it was the same thing. She's married to a big Midwestern gringo, but apparently, he doesn't do it for her.

Once she asked me to marry her.

"Why would I marry you?" I said. "If you cheat on your husband, you'll cheat on me." She laughed.

She says even when I'm married to another woman, she and I will always be very special friends.

[Double Nickle]

I'm just starting on my third serial relationship with a chinese masseuse. The first one blew me away at first sight. One of the nicest ladies of any race I've ever met. We did everything but cock in vagina. It was still going well 2 1/2 years later when she moved to China.

The first one handed me over to the second one, who I had seen around for some time. This second one was sexy and sassy and was very good to me. But after 9 months she moved off to another state. Before she left, she arranged to hook me up with a third chinese masseuse.

This third one I had never seen before. I've only been with her once. But I would guess she is much younger than the first two, not much over 21. And she has the very firm tits of the young, with big brown nipples. God, I love those tits. So I think I'll stick with her, at least for a while.

Double Nickle

[IrishMale]

So, are you looking for your next relationship? The best cure for the last one is the next one. And this time you will be better prepared. Go for it and enjoy it for as long as you can.



Gents/Brothers

You all were right! A lot has changed in my life since April to include an expensive move among among other things. So, my "girl" stop calling me three times a day to about twice a week to this past month never.


It was awesome but I guess all good things come to an end

[RediMax42]

The Koreans have easier access to visas, they are likely educated to at least HS (they have a good system) My experience is that most Chinese are here illegally, indentured likely, little or no education.


None of the providers I'd had a thing with outside of work were forced to be there, it was about making money and providing for their family:

1. (35) Was a liar and found out later she was still married in Korea. Her goal was to build up a $150k stake before returning to her husband. (so-so).

2. (28) Divorced with five year old child living with family in Korea. (very nice person, but focused on the green card).

3. (35-38? ) Divorced with 13 year old child living with family in Korea. (Top notch, honest, no vices, after we split heard she got married and moved to CT).

4. (28) Never married, failed business in Korea, lost a ton of money and owed more than $120k and even more to her family. Supported elderly parents and newly married brother (20). (paid off her loans and was making serious money, but was looking for a husband so they could open their own FS store and rake it in). Moved to NY, last I heard. (major liar, jerk, as in I need a $2500 purse, $700 shoes, and $350 sunglasses).

5. (36) Met her off and on at several places before we finally got together. Very, very slow to get into anything like a relationship ( 4 years).

I'm a fairly average looking guy, was 40-50 during this time, and have a better than average income.

[RediMax42]

Not to disparage AMP girls (I use and enjoy them just fine)

But:

Actually want one to marry?

AMP is not the place to prospect.

Like Asians, go to Asia and get one. Infinitely less trouble getting a visa for her, as the embassy does thoroughly check. Get one nice and fresh, and train her yourself.

Want something to fuck one in a while? Then an AMP girl will do just fine, just have your $$ ready. Not saying that they won't treat you sweet, just remember that they always have an agenda.

[R Hix]

I have lived and worked many years in several countries on 6 continents and I think all people are driven by the same things. If we think these girls are all the same we are wrong and if we think we are better than them we may be arrogant. Some are good some bad not because of their nationality but because they are measured by our personal dispositions. They are working when you meet them. You go for the same reason they are working. You do to them or they do to you the same physical actions. If you are man enough to live with their past and they can live with yours, you may find they will love you and stop working. They may not but that is life. What do you have to offer them?


The Koreans have easier access to visas, they are likely educated to at least HS (they have a good system) My experience is that most Chinese are here illegally, indentured likely, little or no education.

[RediMax42]

Didn't say amp girls are somehow bad.....many can and do leave that life behind when married, know several married to friends that in their past life were either hookers or massage girls. Now near model wives for the most part.


I as talking about the mechanics of actually getting the paperwork done.

Infinitely easier if you find a girl over there…..





I have lived and worked many years in several countries on 6 continents and I think all people are driven by the same things. If we think these girls are all the same we are wrong and if we think we are better than them we may be arrogant. Some are good some bad not because of their nationality but because they are measured by our personal dispositions. They are working when you meet them. You go for the same reason they are working. You do to them or they do to you the same physical actions. If you are man enough to live with their past and they can live with yours, you may find they will love you and stop working. They may not but that is life. What do you have to offer them?

[RediMax42]

No first hand experience with other nationalities...



Didn't say amp girls are somehow bad.....many can and do leave that life behind when married, know several married to friends that in their past life were either hookers or massage girls. Now near model wives for the most part.


I as talking about the mechanics of actually getting the paperwork done.

Infinitely easier if you find a girl over there…..

[Guapo Marx]

All you guys have shared stories that bits and pieces sound just like what I am going through.

I am not going to fall in love with that girl.

Thanks for sharing.

I feel better now.

[Litedave]

What an incredible and needed thread. Thank you TwistedBrother for starting this thread 2 and a half years ago on 9/17/07.

Like some, I just stumbled on here and this subject is quite near and dear to me.
I just wanted to say hi and stand by for my tale of woes.

[Litedave]

I just wish to again thank those of you who have posted here and have unashamedly and with sincerity conveyed your experiences. I especially admire those first posters that 2 and a half years ago manned up to express their feelings.

I cannot make excuses for what I did or my actions other being very nieve, lonely and stupid.

I have been visiting asian massage parlors for 30 years since I was in my twenties. I have always enjoyed the company of asian women because there is something about them that makes them different. Whether it is their culture, their eyes, cleanliness or natural aloofness, I just don't know. I have been with Thais, Koreans and Vietnamise. They all have an alure for my attention.

4 years ago I met a very attractive older Korean (early 50's) at a massage parlor here in town. We have probably 8 of these places here and I have been to almost all of them. Anyway, this lady knocked my socks off and we started getting along with each other in a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. It continued to progress as time went on and became more serious. I knew she was in it for the money and I actually did not and still don't have a big problem with her occupation. I don't like what she does, but this is all she knows and I suspect that she has very little education in Korea. She knows no other way or is too lazy to make a living doing anything else. From what I could pull out of her, she came from a large family and according to her, her Father was a doctor and they traveled a lot around the world. I cannot understand how she got into the business and she has told me that she hides her occupation (as she is ashamed) from her family members who still live in Korea. She is very tight lipped when it comes to her past. I do know that she married an American and said she paid him $40, 000 so she could get over here. She eventually divorced this guy and married another American until his death in the late 90's. As things would have it she inherited his money and bought a home in another state where she vacations once or twice a year.

Our relationship became more serious as my wife and I have not gotten along for several years now as we stay separated most of the time.

I visit her at the massage parlor 3 to 4 times a month and I have had her out to the house 4 times. Each time paying her $1000 for a one night stand and then $1800 for a 2 nighter. I have spent 4 days with her at her home while she was on vacation last year at no charge. She has bought me clothing when we went shopping and bought me several lunches. The sex is the best I have ever had and for the most part we get along fine though she is hard to communicate with over the phone because of her heavy accent.

I told her that I love her and she tells me the same. We have talked to each other on the phone every day for the last year.

I started wising up last May when I had her over to the house. She was sitting in the kitchen and told me that her Brother had past away in Korea and that she needed to make some phone calls. Well, she went outside on the patio and I heard her laughing it up with someone on her cell phone. This was not anybody in her family and I got pissed off and didn't fuck her that night. The next day she confessed and told me it was a good customer that she called just to let him know she wasn't at work because she didn't want him traveling over there when she wasn't going to be there. I thought to myself why she would do this at my house and on my dime. I let it go.

The next problem I had was just after Christmas when I called her and she didn't answer. I left several messages and never heard from her until the next afternoon when she left a message saying she had been sick and throwing up all night. She didn't know it at the time, but I went to her work place the afternoon before and was told by the manager lady that she would not be back until the next day. I asked where she was and she told me she didn't know, but she borrowed her car to go wherever it was she went. I went by very early the next morning around 7:30 and the car had not returned. She and I got into it over this one. She lied and said she was out gambling all night, but did return around midnight.

The last incident just occured last week when she was returning from vacation and her plane was late. According to the airline company her plane landed earlier then what she told me. I had left a message on her voice mail to call me when her plane landed and she did not call until 2 hours after it had landed. Caught in another lie. So I don't know what she was doing.

I am so glad taht I stumbled onto this thread as it has made me face some cold realities. I am beginning to understand that these people can lie so very, very well. They can manipulate once they have mindfucked you. Once you have caught the "yellow fever" there is very little you can do to find a cure. It's just too damn bad that these people cannot find a normal life or maybe they would, but no one will have them. I never promised that I would marry her and maybe she is tired of my bullshit. She started screamming at me on the phone the other night when I confronted her about her plane landing late. She said she was tired of me questioning her about where she was, where she went, who she's with (afterall, I thought I was her BF). She got so mad that her voice even changed. Told me to never call her again then hung up.

I have been really depressed the last few days about the whole thing and have wondered if I have wasted my time with this woman. My thoughts are consumed by thinking of her each day. It's hard not to pick up the phone and call her. Maybe I need to go ahead and make the break because there is no end game to this one I realize. I think Big Red50 probably has the best solution to my problems and that is to "get back on the horse and go find another piece of pussy". LOL

[IrishMale]

As time passes you will be able to go back and read your post, and see the clues that you were really in a business relationship with her. If it's a real relationship, meaning if she really has feelings for you, she won't ask for or take money from you just for spending the night with you. Most expect it and will treat you like a sugar daddy but the very few who care about you will continue to work but spend time with you will not always expect money from you. That's not to say they won't expect you to pay nicely for dinners, travel or other dates. Look at it this way. Forget about the money you spent. You have had a marvelous time with someone who made you feel wonderful. It has run its course and you still want the same thing. The best cure for this is to find another Asian lady to befriend. And when you do, you will be far wiser and more attuned to the signs she gives off. It's time to go for the cure now. And if you catch them in a lie, ignore it and look for the cure again. Unless, of course, you are still enjoying the fruits of the lady.

[Jasmine Smith]

Hi guys,

I am an Korean American ex spa worker. I have worked in the spas for 15 years and from my personal knowledge and experience I have found out that 9 out 10 times the girl is a con-artist and a liar. A lot of these girls used to brag to me about the men they were using either for money/material goods or a greencard. I also have been conned out of money from these girls who I thought were my friends. I unfortunately have a soft heart and would believe their sob stories and give them the financial help that they said they needed. When they were supposed to pay me back they couldn't be found. I have often told my clients if they want to date Asian girls to find the ones who don't work in a spa. In most Asian countries and especially Korea the mentality is they are out for themselves and they don't care who they step on or hurt to get what they want. I know a lot of them have told me that American men are a bunch of suckers and very easy to use. I myself no longer have any contact with spa workers since I've gone independent, but I no longer have to put up with all the drama from these girls.

Now don't get me wrong there are a few good girls out there but they are very rare and hard to find. Just be careful when hook up with a spa girl.

[Brahmabull]

Hi guys,

I am an Korean American ex spa worker. I have worked in the spas for 15 years and from my personal knowledge and experience I have found out that 9 out 10 times the girl is a con-artist and a liar. A lot of these girls used to brag to me about the men they were using either for money/material goods or a greencard. I also have been conned out of money from these girls who I thought were my friends. I unfortunately have a soft heart and would believe their sob stories and give them the financial help that they said they needed. When they were supposed to pay me back they couldn't be found. I have often told my clients if they want to date Asian girls to find the ones who don't work in a spa. In most Asian countries and especially Korea the mentality is they are out for themselves and they don't care who they step on or hurt to get what they want. I know a lot of them have told me that American men are a bunch of suckers and very easy to use. I myself no longer have any contact with spa workers since I've gone independent, but I no longer have to put up with all the drama from these girls.

Now don't get me wrong there are a few good girls out there but they are very rare and hard to find. Just be careful when hook up with a spa girl.


I have dated many and I am with one now. NONE of them have been anything like you described. I am sure the people you speak of exist, but it is not 9 out 10 of them. You made that up.

You sound like you have an axe to grind, or you are maybe still pissed that you trusted someone and they took advantage. I am sorry to hear about that. But it slants your perspective when you deal with a bad person you start to see everyone as bad.

Same for me, I have dealt with only good honest ladies and therefore I am trusting of most AMP girls I meet. I am not a sucker and I am not stupid, but if a lady refuses to take money from you, she is not after money.

Girls I have met is not interested in staying here, they intend to go home, they do not want a greencard.

There are bad apples everywhere, you can meet any girl outside a spa and run just as much risk of her being after your money or status as a girl working a spa.

[Jasmine Smith]

I have dated many and I am with one now. NONE of them have been anything like you described. I am sure the people you speak of exist, but it is not 9 out 10 of them. You made that up.

You sound like you have an axe to grind, or you are maybe still pissed that you trusted someone and they took advantage. I am sorry to hear about that. But it slants your perspective when you deal with a bad person you start to see everyone as bad.

Same for me, I have dealt with only good honest ladies and therefore I am trusting of most AMP girls I meet. I am not a sucker and I am not stupid, but if a lady refuses to take money from you, she is not after money.

Girls I have met is not interested in staying here, they intend to go home, they do not want a greencard.

There are bad apples everywhere, you can meet any girl outside a spa and run just as much risk of her being after your money or status as a girl working a spa.I did say don't get me wrong there are some good ones out there but they are rare and hard to find. I'm glad that the ones you've met were nice girls. That puts a smile on my face because I don't want to think about my race as just users. I've been working in the AMPs for 15 years and I've met a lot of girls I've even owned my own spa before. What they tell you a man and and what they show and tell me are two complete different things. Truthfully I don't have any axe to grind because it was my own stupidity that got me cheated. I was raised as an American by Caucasian parents. So maybe I don't understand as much about them as I would have if I had been raised as a Asian. I just know what I've seen and heard. I'm sorry if my comments offended some people. I didn't mean to do that. I just wanted to say just be careful.

[Chon Maneyo]

I posted on this thread before under my old handle. Look back; you'll figure it out. I hadn't posted in so long, I forgot my password, tried to get a new one from Jackson but failed, so I created this new name.

Anyway, my wife and I have been together five years and married for three years. She got her Green Card a little over a year ago. We went to Korea last summer and I met my wife's entire family. We all went on vacation together and we had a great time for the three weeks we were there.

I couldn't ask for a better wife. She's miles better than my first wife: better cook, better in bed (no surprise there) and so much nicer to me it should be illegal.

This woman never asked for a dime from me. In fact, and my previous posts will back this up, she threw/throws money at me like it's candy.

Our marriage is fan-fucking-tastic. My wife is a diamond in the rough and others like her are out there. You just have to be a decent enough guy to snag one.

Just remember this: you don't choose the girl. She chooses you.

Good luck and sarang haeyo. ;)

[Craven Morehed]

I posted on this thread before under my old handle. Look back; you'll figure it out. I hadn't posted in so long, I forgot my password, tried to get a new one from Jackson but failed, so I created this new name.

Anyway, my wife and I have been together five years and married for three years. She got her Green Card a little over a year ago. We went to Korea last summer and I met my wife's entire family. We all went on vacation together and we had a great time for the three weeks we were there.

I couldn't ask for a better wife. She's miles better than my first wife: better cook, better in bed (no surprise there) and so much nicer to me it should be illegal.

This woman never asked for a dime from me. In fact, and my previous posts will back this up, she threw/throws money at me like it's candy.

Our marriage is fan-fucking-tastic. My wife is a diamond in the rough and others like her are out there. You just have to be a decent enough guy to snag one.

Just remember this: you don't choose the girl. She chooses you.

Good luck and sarang haeyo. ;)

Gotta love them asian women.

[Sidney Merlot]

For a hobbiest. I knew I should have never crossed that line. We both new he was married and it never was going to work. My heart felt things I never had felt before. It's so hard when you both have so much in common, and it feels so right. But yet he still goes home to her every night. It's been a year and he is still with her.

So unless you both are truly not attached to anyone. Please spare hearts and really really thinkg about what you are doing.

I feel better now I got that off my chest.

[IrishMale]

It takes all kinds to make the world go around. My experiences parallel more what Jasmine is saying but I have heard from others who have found a match and have even married. That's a good thing. I have had some who have lived with me but in general, and I emphasize "in general," gambling or drinking has been a problem. I don't drink and my gambling is limited to a casino visit once or twice a year. One lady I dated for a long time would make arrangements to take time off and go somewhere with me. She would start drinking and then decide to go with friends who were drinking buddies and go back to the spa instead of with me. Another who lived with me disappeared one day for two and a half days. Turned out she was at the casino. The second time I had to ask her to leave. Be that as it may, I don't regret the relationships because I enjoyed the ladies, had many good times beyond the obvious, and would take a chance again if a lady expressed interest. I was told however from a very Americanized Korean-born former spa owner that the most important thing for most, emphasizing most, of the workers was the money. Another former spa owner who was just a very good friend of mine told me I should not be looking for a relationship with a spa lady. She even introduced me to a very proper Korean lady. Unfortunately the language difference was too much to overcome.

For those who have been successful that's great. For those who are considering a relationship, just go into it with your eyes open. Enjoy it as much as it can and be prepared if it doesn't turn out to be what you want it to be. Those I've been with had great senses of humor and provided lots of good company. I learned a lot about the culture and enjoyed some of the greatest physical relationships I've ever had while with them.

[Waikikian]

Hi guys,

I am an Korean American ex spa worker. I have worked in the spas for 15 years and from my personal knowledge and experience I have found out that 9 out 10 times the girl is a con-artist and a liar. A lot of these girls used to brag to me about the men they were using either for money / material goods or a greencard. I also have been conned out of money from these girls who I thought were my friends. I unfortunately have a soft heart and would believe their sob stories and give them the financial help that they said they needed. When they were supposed to pay me back they couldn't be found. I have often told my clients if they want to date Asian girls to find the ones who don't work in a spa. In most Asian countries and especially Korea the mentality is they are out for themselves and they don't care who they step on or hurt to get what they want. I know a lot of them have told me that American men are a bunch of suckers and very easy to use. I myself no longer have any contact with spa workers since I've gone independent, but I no longer have to put up with all the drama from these girls.

Now don't get me wrong there are a few good girls out there but they are very rare and hard to find. Just be careful when hook up with a spa girl. I have found one that was all that Jasmine said! Not all are like that. Some are very loving and honest! I lived with two MMS in the Baltimore / DC area and they were perfect ladies. I think about them once in a while! And I'm sure they check the Hawaii board to see how I'm doing. I later found out that she was married. Now that's got to be a strain on a marraige! And I found out that he cannot handle being married to a provider. He did threaten me a number of times. It must be sad to think that at one time he thought he could handle marraige to a provider. Only to find out that he couldn't! I don't fool myself when it comes to marraige to a provider. I know I cannot handle it! Since she owns a Massage Parlor and provides. You know she wants her cake and eat it too! A woman can't do it and be in the business. Anyway, that's my story on that. If she is not married, then she could be nice! Just be careful Mongers!

[Numbah One]

I have found one that was all that Jasmine said! Not all are like that. Some are very loving and honest! I lived with two MMS in the Baltimore / DC area and they were perfect ladies. I think about them once in a while! And I'm sure they check the Hawaii board to see how I'm doing. I later found out that she was married. Now that's got to be a strain on a marraige! And I found out that he cannot handle being married to a provider. He did threaten me a number of times. It must be sad to think that at one time he thought he could handle marraige to a provider. Only to find out that he couldn't! I don't fool myself when it comes to marraige to a provider. I know I cannot handle it! Since she owns a Massage Parlor and provides. You know she wants her cake and eat it too! A woman can't do it and be in the business. Anyway, that's my story on that. If she is not married, then she could be nice! Just be careful Mongers!I too have had a similar experience! I just got fed up with the lies and false behavior from her and will have no more! I totally gave her up!

[Waikikian]

For a hobbiest. I knew I should have never crossed that line. We both new he was married and it never was going to work. My heart felt things I never had felt before. It's so hard when you both have so much in common, and it feels so right. But yet he still goes home to her every night. It's been a year and he is still with her.

So unless you both are truly not attached to anyone. Please spare hearts and really really thinkg about what you are doing.

I feel better now I got that off my chest. Sidney is right!

It should never come to this.

[Numbah One]

For a hobbiest. I knew I should have never crossed that line. We both new he was married and it never was going to work. My heart felt things I never had felt before. It's so hard when you both have so much in common, and it feels so right. But yet he still goes home to her every night. It's been a year and he is still with her.

So unless you both are truly not attached to anyone. Please spare hearts and really really thinkg about what you are doing.

I feel better now I got that off my chest.The problem with a provider is."How do you know whether the provider is putting on an act, to get your money, or that she is serious about you"?

I ran into a provider that had all the signs of a seriously in love straight woman! Very jealous, said she loved me and had all the signs of a regular woman in love! These days, I discard any and all love reactions, from a provider, because of her! A provider is in a predicament and no matter what she does, most mongers will not believe her! Sorry Sidney, but it's true!

[Carmello]

I posted on this thread before under my old handle. Look back; you'll figure it out. I hadn't posted in so long, I forgot my password, tried to get a new one from Jackson but failed, so I created this new name.

Anyway, my wife and I have been together five years and married for three years. She got her Green Card a little over a year ago. We went to Korea last summer and I met my wife's entire family. We all went on vacation together and we had a great time for the three weeks we were there.

I couldn't ask for a better wife. She's miles better than my first wife: better cook, better in bed (no surprise there) and so much nicer to me it should be illegal.

This woman never asked for a dime from me. In fact, and my previous posts will back this up, she threw / throws money at me like it's candy.

Our marriage is fan-fucking-tastic. My wife is a diamond in the rough and others like her are out there. You just have to be a decent enough guy to snag one.

Just remember this: you don't choose the girl. She chooses you.

Good luck and sarang haeyo.This one sounded too good to be true. And surprize. The dude is banned from this site- LOL.

[Carmello]

For a hobbiest. I knew I should have never crossed that line. We both new he was married and it never was going to work. My heart felt things I never had felt before. It's so hard when you both have so much in common, and it feels so right. But yet he still goes home to her every night. It's been a year and he is still with her.

So unless you both are truly not attached to anyone. Please spare hearts and really really thinkg about what you are doing.

I feel better now I got that off my chest.This one is just messed up. A provider falls in love with a married customer?

[Waikikian]

This one is just messed up. A provider falls in love with a married customer?The truth is. There is a time when the married monger is very vulnerable. And if she would have told him that she would marry him, at that moment in time. He would have left his wife and family, for her!

Once the prostitute gaves him enough time to sober up and get his bounderies back. Then, it's too late for her!

That has actually happened to me! I still care very much for her, but I'm a lot more sober about the matter!

Of course if she told me she cared for me now and to marry her. I could still still do it! But don't tell her that!

[Waikikian]

This one is just messed up. A provider falls in love with a married customer?Since there are more married mongers than single ones, it's only logical that she fall for a married man!

These things happen! Love has no boundaries. Love is forever!

[Numbah One]

In my 40+ years of mongering I have had sex with thousands of straight and p4p women. I have enjoyed every minute of it! Of the maybe 5000 p4p women I have had, I must say that I have fallen in love with three and these three were mutually in love with me. The last one that I fell in love with has really affected me. I have to forget about her.

I have decided that I will cease visiting these p4p women. I know my percentages are very slim, but I cannot risk falling in love with another prostitute, no matter how slim the chances are. So, in order to avoid this, I feel I have to get rid of this p4p disease. Oh, I will visit straight Massage Therapists, but I will avoid the p4p ones. Drastic as this may seem, I feel it's the only way. Just too painful for me to fall for a woman that fucks other men. No can I risk this again!

[Waikikian]

In my 40+ years of mongering I have had sex with thousands of straight and p4p women. I have enjoyed every minute of it! Of the maybe 5000 p4p women I have had, I must say that I have fallen in love with three and these three were mutually in love with me. The last one that I fell in love with has really affected me. I have to forget about her.

I have decided that I will cease visiting these p4p women. I know my percentages are very slim, but I cannot risk falling in love with another prostitute, no matter how slim the chances are. So, in order to avoid this, I feel I have to get rid of this p4p disease. Oh, I will visit straight Massage Therapists, but I will avoid the p4p ones. Drastic as this may seem, I feel it's the only way. Just too painful for me to fall for a woman that fucks other men. No can I risk this again! We deal in pay for play. It's all about money and only money. Anything else is fantasy!

[MinoTaurus]

In my 40+ years of mongering I have had sex with thousands of straight and p4p women. I have enjoyed every minute of it! Of the maybe 5000 p4p women I have had, I must say that I have fallen in love with three and these three were mutually in love with me. The last one that I fell in love with has really affected me. I have to forget about her.

I have decided that I will cease visiting these p4p women. I know my percentages are very slim, but I cannot risk falling in love with another prostitute, no matter how slim the chances are. So, in order to avoid this, I feel I have to get rid of this p4p disease. Oh, I will visit straight Massage Therapists, but I will avoid the p4p ones. Drastic as this may seem, I feel it's the only way. Just too painful for me to fall for a woman that fucks other men. No can I risk this again! OK. My post isn't really pertaining to the main point of your post, but I still have to ask.

40+ years of mongering. That equals about 500 months of mongering. Yes? 5000 p4p women. Yes? 5000 divided by 500 = 10. So you've seen 10 different p4p women a month for 40+ years?

Also. 5000 p4p women at 150 bucks a pop (yes. I know they must have been cheaper 40 years ago. But just for illustration). That is 750, 000 in mongering you've spent!

WOW!

[Waikikian]

OK. My post isn't really pertaining to the main point of your post, but I still have to ask.

40+ years of mongering. That equals about 500 months of mongering. Yes? 5000 p4p women. Yes? 5000 divided by 500 = 10. So you've seen 10 different p4p women a month for 40+ years?

Also. 5000 p4p women at 150 bucks a pop (yes. I know they must have been cheaper 40 years ago. But just for illustration). That is 750, 000 in mongering you've spent!

WOW!Instead of a 5, it should be a 2.

[Parkinsons]

In my 40+ years of mongering I have had sex with thousands of straight and p4p women. I have enjoyed every minute of it! Of the maybe 5000 p4p women I have had, I must say that I have fallen in love with three and these three were mutually in love with me. The last one that I fell in love with has really affected me. I have to forget about her.

I have decided that I will cease visiting these p4p women. I know my percentages are very slim, but I cannot risk falling in love with another prostitute, no matter how slim the chances are. So, in order to avoid this, I feel I have to get rid of this p4p disease. Oh, I will visit straight Massage Therapists, but I will avoid the p4p ones. Drastic as this may seem, I feel it's the only way. Just too painful for me to fall for a woman that fucks other men. No can I risk this again! Just curious (no flames intended) : what is it about a woman "that f*ks other men" you found objectionable? Anything you didn't know about before you entered into the relationship? She ditched you for another customer, is that what happened?

Also, if you're a married man, (don't know if you are or not) were you demanding of her what you yourself could not give her? I. E. Did you want her to give up "f*king other men" but you weren't about to leave your wife for her? (not that I advocate such things.)

I think you should continue to patronize p4p women, just don't ask them for free sex outside of their job. They didn't throw themselves at you in the beginning. It all started when you tried to get some freebies, and then feelings and emotions progressed from there as you meet up. Continue your hobby, just know what may happen if you decided to break the rules.

[Numbah One]

Instead of a 5, it should be a 2.You read my mind, Dude. It should have been a 2 for 2000.

#1

[Numbah One]

Just curious (no flames intended) : what is it about a woman "that f*ks other men" you found objectionable? Anything you didn't know about before you entered into the relationship? She ditched you for another customer, is that what happened?

Also, if you're a married man, (don't know if you are or not) were you demanding of her what you yourself could not give her? I. E. Did you want her to give up "f*king other men" but you weren't about to leave your wife for her? (not that I advocate such things.)

I think you should continue to patronize p4p women, just don't ask them for free sex outside of their job. They didn't throw themselves at you in the beginning. It all started when you tried to get some freebies, and then feelings and emotions progressed from there as you meet up. Continue your hobby, just know what may happen if you decided to break the rules. Parkinsons, I do appreciate your candor, but did you just get a few things off your chest! You did rattle a few things that sounded like it came from your experience.

Also, thanks for suggesting I get back to mongering! I'll have to think about that one. I'll take your items into consideration, if they pertain to me.

Thanks much.

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[JoMeek]

Anyone visited this place in Kentucky that I heard from a friend?

[Ernie7749]

Any experiences / impressions anbody wants to share. Good or bad. Regarding the above provider?

[MtheX]

I went to this woman Deeanna in Florence, gives good straight massage with a little sneak of innuendo in there.

But nothing extra. I left a bit unhappy, since she bumped my package a few times, I was thinking more was to come.

We chatted alot but not a thing extra but tease hints, cute. Might go back again to see if more is possible.

[Ampboner]

If you fall in love with a provider, masseuse you can't be jealous about what they do for a living, being as that is what brought you together. I am in a relationship with my favorite provider and I now see her less because somehow without really discussing it we both think it is a little weird for me to now go in to p2p. She has been anything other than gold digging. She has been, kind, amicable, gracious and generous. She does not like her husband who we don't talk about beyond that. What I do know is that he is Chinese. She has told me that Chinese do not believe in divorce. I know that she has strong feelings for me but I never assume anything. I have strong feelings for her and would love to spend more time with her but I leave it up to her to decide when, where and how. It was and is hard to do that but her life style is more complicated than mine and you will be rewarded by your patience. I practice staying out of the way and pressing for more than she cam give right now. I hope that helps some of you. Expectations will kill the relationship. Be respectful!Be very careful. It is difficult to get to know any one in a 'normal" relationship yet alone the one you are in. Remember you're a customer. She's a provider. She has had many customers and will have many more. You may think that you are in a special relationship with her. So may others. An ex wife was a provider in Korean AMPs for 14 years. She had many men believing that she was a special GF and wanted a relationship with them. Scores of guys believed this line and may be hundreds. They were the ones who didn't have to use a condom because they were special to her. Get real. She wanted their money. Any one with a little extra tip or a regular customer (meaning more than once) had her with out a condom. My ex back in the 1990s saw some days 25 guys. She saw on average 140-150 guys a week. About 100 were FS. At least 125 different dicks in her mouth. That's in a week! How could any one think that they're special and in a relationship with some one who has several thousand "lovers" a year. My ex was mid 30's, fluent in English, had 3 semesters in college very attractive and I fell for her very quickly.

I learned the numbers later. I thought that I was a special customer. That I was the only one of a few who she allowed to cum in her mouth or in her during FS. Actually it was almost any one. Now times may have changed in the AMP business since the 1990's. I read that the providers are old women who are not attractive and likely do not have the same trade as in earlier times. They may see only a few customers a day and in a week have less FS then my ex had in less than 1/2 a day. But still think about it more carefully. Just clear your head and think about it.

[PrinceAlbert]

Howrich, I dont know where you are and truly do not care, I am in the USA, did you not read about the 32 AMP's that were raided on the East Coast between Maine and Virginia last October I think it was? Hundreds were arrested and dozens charged with Human Trafficking. Please don't kid yourself about where many Amp girls come from or believe what they tell you.

So do I

I'm not faulting you for what you do Brother and wish you the best of luck in both the hobby and finding someone outside of it. All I'm saying is remember it's a HOBBY and these are WORKING girls.


Because some of you are crying in your beer over bad relationships with AMP girls that you and anyone else PAYS to be with in the first place!

Nine or nine hundred posts it does not take a rocket scientist to know you don't fall for a provider in the sex trade.

I have had ZERO relationships with AMP girls and never will. They provide a service that people PAY for. LOTS of people! ANYONE with a BUCK people.

Do I use their, oh yeah.

You should know first hand that LTR's with AMP girls are a bad idea!

I am very happy that after paying for services that mamason lets you hang out in the kitchen and break room with the working girls. If I pass you on the way to a room with your GF in tow I will wave as I go by.

I thought this forum was about letting others know whats happening in different places around the country and perhaps the world (International Forum) with regards to the various hobbies that mongers and or provider partake in.

I also thought it to be a place for other hobbyists to assist their fellow mongers with other related matters if applicable; and my response was aimed at "Kudlow" who was stating he fell in love with an AMP girl after break up of a 10+ year relationship and who was obviously on the rebound.

I at no point disrespected anyone including providers. I simply pointed out to Kudlow and anyone else who would fall for a pro regarless of the genre of her profession that WE pay then for their company and THEY provide us a service and not to forget it.

And I assure you, am I far from new at this!

Happy Hunting

JackDon't get into a relationship with the AMP girls. You are ruining yourself. If you want to check out the massage parlors that offer extras, check out rubmaps. Not always perfect but can get a guideline of how the AMPs are like so you know which ones are legit and which ones offer some goods.

Happy Hunting.

[Toshi69]

Want an Asian, go to asia, meet someone with perhaps less baggage.


Don't get into a relationship with the AMP girls. You are ruining yourself. If you want to check out the massage parlors that offer extras, check out rubmaps. Not always perfect but can get a guideline of how the AMPs are like so you know which ones are legit and which ones offer some goods.

Happy Hunting.

[Anna78]

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[ThaiCanada]

I dated an Asian girl for 6 years who worked in AMP. She never admitted to me that she does extras. I read from forums and heard from buddies that she gave BJ and HJ. Not sure about FS. But I told her it does not bother me if she does extras, but she never admitted. That did hurt me.

[Doctor D]

I've had a couple of friendships, one romantic and sexual with a massage provider. I used to see one for legit massage for years, and though I tried to get her to give me a HE she gently refused. I liked her, became friends with her, enjoyed talking as she gave me the massage, also salt scrubs, stretching, all kinds of good physical therapy.

I gave up on the HE but one day, during a salt scrub when I was undraped except for a small cloth over what became a raging hard on, she asked if I would like a "release." Who was I to turn her down? It was wonderful and as she very slowly brought me to my happy ending, she talked about how she had thought about doing this for me as a special friend earlier and how she understood it was a nice thing to do for someone. I was not sure if this was going to be a one time offer or something I could expect in future sessions. As it turned out, she asked the next time if I would enjoy that, and even admitted she was looking forward to it because she really enjoyed "doing that for a good friend" Unfortunately, she left town a few months later. I miss her.

[AgentChan]

Want an Asian, go to asia, meet someone with perhaps less baggage.Those are usually the ones that go with white boys.

[Viriato]

Falling for a masseuse is a terribly stupid, naive thing to do. It's also a terribly human thing to do, and I suppose if it ultimately winds up going anywhere, good for you. It'll likely be a wild ride indeed. I can't say as it's ever happened to me, but then, I'm also kind of new to this whole mongering thing. Okay, actually I've only patronized a single masseuse so far, albeit multiple times because she's damned good at what she does. It would be silly to say that there aren't feelings there. I mean, obviously I think she's attractive, and she's good at getting me off. And I'm sure she at least values me as a repeat customer, but it'd be silly to assume that we are anything more than customer-client. And yet, if she were to ask to move in with me, I probably would let her. I'm only human.

Just my two cents on the matter.

[MajorSlowCum]

I've been married to three AMP girls over the years. All ended in divorce. Sex life was never as good as the AMP had been with each one. Plus they are were all real bitchy and lazy ducks after the wedding. One was secretly doing heroin, one was molested real young and one turned out to be a post op. Well what I'm tryin to say is they all had reall bad baggage and is normal for those AMP girls. They will never make good wife's or long term lovers. All they are food for is a quick duck or blow and go. More than that and you get taken.

[Jchiroh]

I've been married to three AMP girls over the years. All ended in divorce. Sex life was never as good as the AMP had been with each one. Plus they are were all real bitchy and lazy ducks after the wedding. One was secretly doing heroin, one was molested real young and one turned out to be a post op. Well what I'm tryin to say is they all had reall bad baggage and is normal for those AMP girls. They will never make good wife's or long term lovers. All they are food for is a quick duck or blow and go. More than that and you get taken.Sounds like you need a better screening process for future wives.

[VAmpy]

I would say I have nothing against massage provider / patient relationships. We are all people, and baggage, stress and drama happen to everyone. All my patients are my friends, and I appreciate their business.

[Frisky Frank]

I've been married to three AMP girls over the years. All ended in divorce. Sex life was never as good as the AMP had been with each one. Plus they are were all real bitchy and lazy ducks after the wedding. One was secretly doing heroin, one was molested real young and one turned out to be a post op. Well what I'm tryin to say is they all had reall bad baggage and is normal for those AMP girls. They will never make good wife's or long term lovers. All they are food for is a quick duck or blow and go. More than that and you get taken.How do you not know she's a post op previous to marriage? Legitimate question, not mocking.

[TheBoobHound]

I've read stories on this and other forums about guys who really hit it off with a therapist (or other P4 P girl) and get their service for free, meet up outside the business, etc. I believed the stories. It's uncommon, but sometimes you do feel a real connection. I never had anything that strong, until now.

I had been to this particular spa several times before. I was greeted and taken to a room by a girl who was new to me, though. She was a nice Chinese girl with a pretty face, eyes and hair. We talked for a bit during the massage and she was very friendly. She gave me several compliments which I assumed were just ego-stroking. Likewise, on the flip she told me my dong looked so good and so big. I asked for a BJ and she agreed. But then she looked me in the eyes and whispered 'I want to feel your big cock inside me. ' I still figured it was just upselling, but I was happy to succumb. She totally rocked it. It was the best FS I ever had at an AMP. She seemed to have a very real orgasm which I assumed was faked for my entertainment. Still, I'll take service like that any where, any time. Afterward, she was very friendly and seemed eager to have conversation all the way up until I left.

I didn't make it back for a while, but when I did, her face immediately lit up when she saw me. It was even better this time. I arrived at 11:00 pm and paid for a half hour (the spa closes at midnight). But I didn't leave until almost 12:30 am! During the cleanup, she asked 'If I give you my phone number, will you come fuck me?' I was glad to accept.

We kept in touch through text messages and she soon asked me to come see her. In this case, she only had me pay the house fee. Once again, we had a red-hot time together.

Soon it was time for her to go back to her home city. The night before she left, we met at a hotel. We had so much sex that night, she was just so horny. I'm talking hours and hours of fucking. I'm looking forward to doing it all again if I have a business trip to her city. She also tells me she wants to come back and visit me sometime soon.

[Kreamer]

I've read stories on this and other forums about guys who really hit it off with a therapist (or other P4 P girl) and get their service for free, meet up outside the business, etc. I believed the stories. It's uncommon, but sometimes you do feel a real connection. I never had anything that strong, until now.

I had been to this particular spa several times before. I was greeted and taken to a room by a girl who was new to me, though. She was a nice Chinese girl with a pretty face, eyes and hair. We talked for a bit during the massage and she was very friendly. She gave me several compliments which I assumed were just ego-stroking. Likewise, on the flip she told me my dong looked so good and so big. I asked for a BJ and she agreed. But then she looked me in the eyes and whispered 'I want to feel your big cock inside me. ' I still figured it was just upselling, but I was happy to succumb. She totally rocked it. It was the best FS I ever had at an AMP. She seemed to have a very real orgasm which I assumed was faked for my entertainment. Still, I'll take service like that any where, any time. Afterward, she was very friendly and seemed eager to have conversation all the way up until I left.

I didn't make it back for a while, but when I did, her face immediately lit up when she saw me. It was even better this time. I arrived at 11:00 pm and paid for a half hour (the spa closes at midnight). But I didn't leave until almost 12:30 am! During the cleanup, she asked 'If I give you my phone number, will you come fuck me?' I was glad to accept.

We kept in touch through text messages and she soon asked me to come see her. In this case, she only had me pay the house fee. Once again, we had a red-hot time together.

Soon it was time for her to go back to her home city. The night before she left, we met at a hotel. We had so much sex that night, she was just so horny. I'm talking hours and hours of fucking. I'm looking forward to doing it all again if I have a business trip to her city. She also tells me she wants to come back and visit me sometime soon.Something I've always been looking for.

I'd like to find an independent Asian so I can save the house fee.

Goof luck to all.

[Nikitin22]

This has also happened to me. I have really got addicted to some massage therapists. I have went to the same therapist for tens of different times because I loved the connection between us and not the happy ending so much. How ever I have realized that they are often masters on making this so called fake connection. Off course it is good for their business if they can make lonely guys come back again.

[TheFarEast5]

This has also happened to me. I have really got addicted to some massage therapists. I have went to the same therapist for tens of different times because I loved the connection between us and not the happy ending so much. How ever I have realized that they are often masters on making this so called fake connection. Off course it is good for their business if they can make lonely guys come back again.You're correct. Some of them are masters at this. I had been doing the same thing with a gorgeous 9/10 Chinese lady. Looked 30 but was probably late 30's or even a little older. I wasn't in love but had strong feelings for her. But the more massages I got from her the more I realized either she had a bf or husband or just viewed me strictly as a client (which is fine and expected). However, I could always tell she was playing games with me. Perhaps she liked me but not in the relationship sense. I know she was playing games. And I actually love it when a hot babe does that! I would never let a fat, old, or ugly chick do that!

I didn't help that she spoke very little English and I had a hard time communicating with her. Nonetheless, when I became lonely at times she provided the much needed care and comfort only a beautiful Asian woman can provide! And I now realize she was and is, most likely, my once in a lifetime find. Thus, I had at least 15 massages by her in under 3 months and will continue to go back as long as she works there. It's truly therapeutic for me to spend an hour with her when I can. And the first time she massaged my butthole and started stroking my shaft. I felt like I was in heaven. Plus always getting to grab her ass is worth it's weight in gold to me!

[CasualMale1030]

I had a year long relationship with an Asian MT, I got to play with the kitty first massage, I had never seen a pussy get so dripping wet, she was tight and tasted good. Anyway she came to my house and we fucked many times over the course of a year. She has a husband but I think the marriage is just a front for the business. Anyway, because you never know what the real backdrop is for an an asian masage girl having a relationship with an American man, enjoy the pussy, but you know it will end. Do not fall in love, you are being used, especially if they do not give up illegal massage.

[SomeGuy6057]

I had a brief flight with one at the end of last year to the start of this year. Started going to her shop based on a rm review. We hit it off and because of my work schedule she was sneaking me in the back door after hours. It eventually led to me being able to pick her up and back to my place over night and for a few weekends. Problem was. She was looking for a green card cement post. And thought I was an endless atm. She even made the comment one time that if I didn't marry her she would find someone else to marry. But it seemed like everytime I was out with her she ALWAYS wanted expensive gifts. The girl loved jewelry and designer hand bags and boots. I couldn't even take her through Walmart without spending $100 on her.

And of course it was a problem when I complained about it to the amount of sex I was getting. And the fact that she didn't like giving head didn't help much. Or so she said. (they're all full of shit to an extent) I eventually quit taking her calls or would just tell her I can't make it because of my work schedule. I still hear from her on wechat from time to time. But I'm afraid to go visit her as I don't want to start pissing money away again at the rate of 100 a day just to bust 1 nut a day. Then get told I need to hurry up because it's to big and she's uncomfortable. I will say her pussy did taste awfully sweet though.

[Zimmm33]

Been serious mongering for about six years. Had a bad crush my first year, wasted a lot of dough for almost no extras. But I did have some great flirty fun.

The past four months I've had a progressing crush on a forty plus mms. Like my first one, she makes me laugh so hard each visit. Something lacking in me needs flirting, and she nails it.

Mostly, she keeps a certain distance, a certain guard down, but occasionally a shield comes down, and it makes me crush on her even more.

I have no plans to see her outside her work. No plans to leave my wife, but I do think about her daily, A LOT. I don't know how it will end, but right now I'm enjoying the ride. And I think she is too, and not 100% just for the money. Just 98. 😃.

So, my advice is keep it light, especially if you have a SO in the mix. Have fun. And make sure that when it ends, it ends well on both sides.

[FranklySports]

Been serious mongering for about six years. Had a bad crush my first year, wasted a lot of dough for almost no extras. But I did have some great flirty fun.

The past four months I've had a progressing crush on a forty plus mms. Like my first one, she makes me laugh so hard each visit. Something lacking in me needs flirting, and she nails it.

Mostly, she keeps a certain distance, a certain guard down, but occasionally a shield comes down, and it makes me crush on her even more.

I have no plans to see her outside her work. No plans to leave my wife, but I do think about her daily, A LOT. I don't know how it will end, but right now I'm enjoying the ride. And I think she is too, and not 100% just for the money. Just 98. 😃.

So, my advice is keep it light, especially if you have a SO in the mix. Have fun. And make sure that when it ends, it ends well on both sides.Enjoy, but remember she's just doing her job.

[Zimmm33]

Enjoy, but remember she's just doing her job.However, for not a whole lot of extra tipping, I've gotten pretty amazing "access" as compared to other providers I've experienced. Like I joked, about 2% of her actions are indicating she's a little smitten too. I'm being smaht. Only letting the little head do the thinking Sunday through Friday. 😂.

[HokeyWolf]

One invites me to her home when her husband is overseas. She wants to cum and needs a 20 min missionary pounding to get off. She says her husband can't satisfy her. She doesn't charge me but wants it hard. It's almost work for me to pleasure her as I don't find her a good lover and she says she not that good.

Another MILF has me at her home. She's about 50 and pretty. She does HJ at work and won't FS at work. She's a very loud moaner and responsive lover but I pay $200 each time. Really horny once she warms up and goes on for two hours. The weird thing is she'll invite me to have dinner afterwards with her daughter and son in law. Her daughter is smoking hot. It strange to know her daughter knows I did her mom beforehand.

In each case there's no emotion among any of us, it's just a physical act.

[Curious Monkey]

One invites me to her home when her husband is overseas. She wants to cum and needs a 20 min missionary pounding to get off. She says her husband can't satisfy her. She doesn't charge me but wants it hard. It's almost work for me to pleasure her as I don't find her a good lover and she says she not that good.

Another MILF has me at her home. She's about 50 and pretty. She does HJ at work and won't FS at work. She's a very loud moaner and responsive lover but I pay $200 each time. Really horny once she warms up and goes on for two hours. The weird thing is she'll invite me to have dinner afterwards with her daughter and son in law. Her daughter is smoking hot. It strange to know her daughter knows I did her mom beforehand.

In each case there's no emotion among any of us, it's just a physical act.Any advice how to start the conversation? My guess is to frequent their work place then start a conversation?

[OldtimerMa]

One invites me to her home when her husband is overseas. She wants to cum and needs a 20 min missionary pounding to get off. She says her husband can't satisfy her. She doesn't charge me but wants it hard. It's almost work for me to pleasure her as I don't find her a good lover and she says she not that good.

Another MILF has me at her home. She's about 50 and pretty. She does HJ at work and won't FS at work. She's a very loud moaner and responsive lover but I pay $200 each time. Really horny once she warms up and goes on for two hours. The weird thing is she'll invite me to have dinner afterwards with her daughter and son in law. Her daughter is smoking hot. It strange to know her daughter knows I did her mom beforehand.

In each case there's no emotion among any of us, it's just a physical act.Wow, nice providers you have.

[RoC82]

One invites me to her home when her husband is overseas. She wants to cum and needs a 20 min missionary pounding to get off. She says her husband can't satisfy her. She doesn't charge me but wants it hard. It's almost work for me to pleasure her as I don't find her a good lover and she says she not that good.

Another MILF has me at her home. She's about 50 and pretty. She does HJ at work and won't FS at work. She's a very loud moaner and responsive lover but I pay $200 each time. Really horny once she warms up and goes on for two hours. The weird thing is she'll invite me to have dinner afterwards with her daughter and son in law. Her daughter is smoking hot. It strange to know her daughter knows I did her mom beforehand.

In each case there's no emotion among any of us, it's just a physical act.Lucky guy.

No emotion can be good, especially if it is just for sex.

The 20 minute pound session sounds like a lot of work, but it is free.

The $200 is about standard for seeing a FS RA for 1 hour (including house fee) and lower end standard for an escort, and you are with her for about 2 hours.

I'll say you are getting a good deal.

[NightOwl2548]

Being invited to the kitchen at the back of Korean AMPs at first seemed to be a great privilege. If it's slow, they know you well, and think you are normal they will invite you back to hang out for a few hours, often towards the end of the night when they may feel safer. Usually they offer you some of their food. Theirin lies the problem. I'm not a fan of actual Asian foods, not the General Tso's stuff they make for Americans, but the stuff they eat themselves. It's always overloaded with Garlic, rotten fish juice, and always mostly "soup" based. A lot of these girls fancy themselves great cooks, while their actual output leaves much to be desired. Slimy floating chicken legs with a few overcooked vegetables floating in water with way too much garlic. Worst of all is I know one who "thinks" she knows how to make kimchi. Now I don't really like kimchi that much to begin with, but on occasion the professional store bought jars are OK when still fairly fresh and crispy despite the "off" taste of seafood and garlic. Well, I do ferment hot peppers to make sauces and know the golden rule with fermentation is to keep out all the air so anaerobic bacteria only go to work. She basically leaves the stuff out in an open air bowl to rot and it's god awful with some nasty fish concoction thrown in way stronger than what is in the commercial jars. I get this stuff over served and giant jars forced on me like Johnny Carson's Fruitcake everytime I visit and considering she is crazy and over sensitive I dare not hint I don't enjoy the concoction. I can sympathize with Scotty in Star Trek 4 when he mentions he "threw out the Klingon food packs, they were giving me a sour stomach. ".

[Member #6054]

I have found one that was all that Jasmine said! Not all are like that. Some are very loving and honest! I lived with two MMS in the Baltimore / DC area and they were perfect ladies. I think about them once in a while! And I'm sure they check the Hawaii board to see how I'm doing. I later found out that she was married. Now that's got to be a strain on a marraige! And I found out that he cannot handle being married to a provider. He did threaten me a number of times. It must be sad to think that at one time he thought he could handle marraige to a provider. Only to find out that he couldn't! I don't fool myself when it comes to marraige to a provider. I know I cannot handle it! Since she owns a Massage Parlor and provides. You know she wants her cake and eat it too! A woman can't do it and be in the business. Anyway, that's my story on that. If she is not married, then she could be nice! Just be careful Mongers!I met a provider at a store last fall. I found her cute and attractive for an older provider. She is Chinese and speaks very little English. I connected with her on WeChat. She only provides HJs. I saw her maybe 3 times and I volunteered to take her grocery shopping. At first, she said she would never leave the store with a customer. But, one day she asked me. What surprised me was, her recall of dates of where she was, where she worked, experiences. She also clarified that she is not 48 like she told me, but is 58. She is a well preserved 58. As I got to know her, I asked her a lot of questions about why she does what she does and about her feelings about men. She is a very sweet honest married woman that hides what she does for a living from her husband and daughter in China. Then one day, she is coughing while giving me a free birthday massage. It turns out, she is sick with Covid. She begs me to help her, I take her to an outpatient clinic. She is very dramatic and believes she will soon die. Her illness clears and I spend time with her outside the parlor. She looks at me with awe. We kiss during massages. She doesn't know how to French kiss. When she does it initially, she trembles and pulls away with excitement. One thing leads to another, one day two months into the relationship, I pull her pants down and have sex with her. She absolutely loves it. After the Covid, she will not longer let me pay for anything, lunches or massages. She pays the $35 house fee twice a week. We have sex then massage. One day, she takes me out to a $90 lunch and pays for it. She tells me she loves me. As time progresses, she is a poor simple woman that has never experienced true love. I investigated her extensively and no one has ever got anything but a hand job. She has told me, she despises most men and the other women in the industry and being manipulators and trash. In getting close to her, she is fatal attraction jealous. I must be careful with any references to other women and especially masseuses. She is not violent but get very emotional and hurt. A new girl showed up at the store to work. She was younger and attractive and could speak English. She went ballistic and got the girl fired day 1 for talking to me in the back of the store. She is okay with my wife. My wife is attractive and she is worried she could wreck my home life. Therefore, she asked if I had sex with the wife. Sex with her is terrific. She claims she has never experienced anything like me and I am the love of her life. She has spent over $2,000 on me in the past 6 months. I help her wherever I can. I take her to the dentist, I read her mail. I have her bank information, access to her debit card, I set her up an Amazon account and I manage that for her. Now my problem is, this woman is fragile. She is timid and sweet. Men just love her, tip her well. 2/3 rds get hand jobs. I have a difficult time with the hand jobs. She thinks I despise her for what she does. But, I met her being a monger. She works in massage so she can support her disabled husband and pay for her daughter's college. She tells me she loves me at least twice a week. And I know women. She does love me. We get into spats occasionally. When that happens, she cannot sleep. I have seen her cry many times. We have broken up a few times. I feel terrible because of the pain it causes her. She can never break up. She says, if that happens, she cannot function and will just leave the city and probably return to China. She has no intentions of any future with me because of her belief in family. I have come to my senses and while I care deeply for her, I love my wife. So now, I have the opposite of what most men experience. She has even brought me into her inner circle, her best friend, her sister and even her mean boss who knows she most tolerate me, or her excellent masseuse will collapse. I have never caught in a lie or seen her do anything dishonest.

[GoodWill123]

Spa addict, very well said, and thanks for being open and transparent. I too have had what you have, over 2 years. If there's anything I've learned, most of them are just as beautiful on the inside as they are on the outside, and want to love and be loved just like us. Yeah there are a few manipulative girls out there, and some users, but good girls for the most part.


I met a provider at a store last fall. I found her cute and attractive for an older provider. She is Chinese and speaks very little English. I connected with her on WeChat. She only provides HJs. I saw her maybe 3 times and I volunteered to take her grocery shopping. At first, she said she would never leave the store with a customer. But, one day she asked me. What surprised me was, her recall of dates of where she was, where she worked, experiences. She also clarified that she is not 48 like she told me, but is 58. She is a well preserved 58. As I got to know her, I asked her a lot of questions about why she does what she does and about her feelings about men. She is a very sweet honest married woman that hides what she does for a living from her husband and daughter in China. Then one day, she is coughing while giving me a free birthday massage. It turns out, she is sick with Covid. She begs me to help her, I take her to an outpatient clinic. She is very dramatic and believes she will soon die. Her illness clears and I spend time with her outside the parlor. She looks at me with awe. We kiss during massages. She doesn't know how to French kiss. When she does it initially, she trembles and pulls away with excitement. One thing leads to another, one day two months into the relationship, I pull her pants down and have sex with her. She absolutely loves it. After the Covid, she will not longer let me pay for anything, lunches or massages. She pays the $35 house fee twice a week. We have sex then massage. One day, she takes me out to a $90 lunch and pays for it. She tells me she loves me. As time progresses, she is a poor simple woman that has never experienced true love. I investigated her extensively and no one has ever got anything but a hand job. She has told me, she despises most men and the other women in the industry and being manipulators and trash. In getting close to her, she is fatal attraction jealous. I must be careful with any references to other women and especially masseuses. She is not violent but get very emotional and hurt. A new girl showed up at the store to work. She was younger and attractive and could speak English. She went ballistic and got the girl fired day 1 for talking to me in the back of the store. She is okay with my wife. My wife is attractive and she is worried she could wreck my home life. Therefore, she asked if I had sex with the wife. Sex with her is terrific. She claims she has never experienced anything like me and I am the love of her life. She has spent over $2,000 on me in the past 6 months. I help her wherever I can. I take her to the dentist, I read her mail. I have her bank information, access to her debit card, I set her up an Amazon account and I manage that for her. Now my problem is, this woman is fragile. She is timid and sweet. Men just love her, tip her well. 2/3 rds get hand jobs. I have a difficult time with the hand jobs. She thinks I despise her for what she does. But, I met her being a monger. She works in massage so she can support her disabled husband and pay for her daughter's college. She tells me she loves me at least twice a week. And I know women. She does love me. We get into spats occasionally. When that happens, she cannot sleep. I have seen her cry many times. We have broken up a few times. I feel terrible because of the pain it causes her. She can never break up. She says, if that happens, she cannot function and will just leave the city and probably return to China. She has no intentions of any future with me because of her belief in family. I have come to my senses and while I care deeply for her, I love my wife. So now, I have the opposite of what most men experience. She has even brought me into her inner circle, her best friend, her sister and even her mean boss who knows she most tolerate me, or her excellent masseuse will collapse. I have never caught in a lie or seen her do anything dishonest.

[Bundy1976]

My wife is a MT in Desmoines Iowa.

We have a great relationship. We live in Colorado but she goes back and fourth for work.

She makes a lot of money doing what she does.

It doesn't bother. She's good at what she does.

[Sexture96]

I met a provider at a store last fall. I found her cute and attractive for an older provider. She is Chinese and speaks very little English. I connected with her on WeChat. She only provides HJs. I saw her maybe 3 times and I volunteered to take her grocery shopping. At first, she said she would never leave the store with a customer. But, one day she asked me. What surprised me was, her recall of dates of where she was, where she worked, experiences. She also clarified that she is not 48 like she told me, but is 58. She is a well preserved 58. As I got to know her, I asked her a lot of questions about why she does what she does and about her feelings about men. She is a very sweet honest married woman that hides what she does for a living from her husband and daughter in China. Then one day, she is coughing while giving me a free birthday massage. It turns out, she is sick with Covid. She begs me to help her, I take her to an outpatient clinic. She is very dramatic and believes she will soon die. Her illness clears and I spend time with her outside the parlor. She looks at me with awe. We kiss during massages. She doesn't know how to French kiss. When she does it initially, she trembles and pulls away with excitement. One thing leads to another, one day two months into the relationship, I pull her pants down and have sex with her. She absolutely loves it. After the Covid, she will not longer let me pay for anything, lunches or massages. She pays the $35 house fee twice a week. We have sex then massage. One day, she takes me out to a $90 lunch and pays for it. She tells me she loves me. As time progresses, she is a poor simple woman that has never experienced true love. I investigated her extensively and no one has ever got anything but a hand job. She has told me, she despises most men and the other women in the industry and being manipulators and trash. In getting close to her, she is fatal attraction jealous. I must be careful with any references to other women and especially masseuses. She is not violent but get very emotional and hurt. A new girl showed up at the store to work. She was younger and attractive and could speak English..Holy sweat cream on an ice cream sammich. Whatta story bro. You did your thing and reflected.