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Double Nickle
07-27-07, 13:54
In this forum we have threads for Viagra, Boston Medical Group, online meds, etc., but we have no generic thread for all kinds of performance enhancers: pills, cock rings, creams, gums, counseling, herbs, injections, patches, exercises, etc. This thread is for any and all performance enhancers.

Double Nickle
07-27-07, 14:48
I tried Aziffa for the second time. See Classified ads for the first time. A packet has 2 veggie caps of herbal supplements. "Effects are normally active only when stimulated." But take it from me, not that much stimulation is needed.

I decided to try a place I just found out about from a newspaper ad. I thought it would be fun to try Aziffa at a new place. I took it about 2 hours ahead of time per instructions. I got to the spa in a mixed residential/business area of a small town. The larger half of the spa is for nails and women stuff. I went to the small massage section and rang a bell. An attractive middle aged woman showed me to a room. I paid $70 house fee and was told to put on a robe for a shower. When the young masseuse came in I told her I had to go to the bathroom. I had to get redressed and go to the women's section to use the toilet. She watched me getting changed at which time I already had a semi.

Back in my robe I went to the shower seeing another attractive masseuse in a white uniform (mine was in street clothes). I took off my robe in the table shower room and immediately got a full hard on. I lay face down and Lisa scrubbed my backside good, including the crack of my ass. She also sanded the calluses on the bottoms of my feet. Rinse. Turn over. I still had my erection which Lisa covered with a small towel. She reached under the towell and scrubbed my penis quickly though. The rest of my frontside was washed and rinsed very nicely. Then I got up. She was smiling and seemed very impressed that my penis was still rock hard. She gave little DN a good rubdown with the towell with a wide grin onher face.

Robe back on. To the room. Robe off. Wait a couple. Still hard. She comes back in. Lie face down. I did so carefully so as not to squash my engorged tool. She covered me with a sheet but gave a killer hard massage, using hands, feet. hot stones, fingertips. Cricket sounds and splashing water were coming out of the DVD player. A hot towel was used to wipe off all the lotion she had rubbed all over me (moving the sheet to do so).

Turn over. Guess what? Yes, still hard. She brought the sheet up over me, leaving the tip of my erection protruding. By hand signs she asked if I wanted my one eyed trouser snake taken care of. Yes please. She gave the first of about twenty finger to lips, shh signals. God was she good. She played with my balls and stroked my cock just the way I like it. I ecstatically enjoyed for a long time. I have to finish myself off by hand because of a retarded ejaculation condition. She put her forearm over my mouth to drown out any loud orgasmic moans. I finally come to a shuddering climax, after which we both giggled. She mopped up my hands torso and male organ, which had finally gone down to half mast. She threw herself on me for a nice cuddle, then continued the massage. At the end she helped me dress. She didn't ask for a tip but I gave her a moderate one. At my age I'm a one pop man, but today I think I could have done two.

Does Aziffa work? OOHH YEAHHH!!!

Double Nickle, the new legend

Aziffa
07-30-07, 22:46
The check is in the mail with that type of report. :)

This is exactly how I feel and most other men feel when taking this stuff.
I'm glad you feel like a "new legend."

I just ask that you fill out our survey at: http://aziffa.com/test.php

BTW, are you a professional writer.

Lastly, if any of you are going to be in Vegas on Aug 27, 28 or 29th, I have some tickets for you to go to an adult strip club expo, and adult retail buyers expo. It is supposed to be private, but I can get you in.

VanDriver
08-25-07, 23:29
I tried Aziffa for the second time. See Classified ads for the first time. A packet has 2 veggie caps of herbal supplements. "Effects are normally active only when stimulated." But take it from me, not that much stimulation is needed.

I decided to try a place I just found out about from a newspaper ad. I thought it would be fun to try Aziffa at a new place. I took it about 2 hours ahead of time per instructions. I got to the spa in a mixed residential/business area of a small town. The larger half of the spa is for nails and women stuff. I went to the small massage section and rang a bell. An attractive middle aged woman showed me to a room. I paid $70 house fee and was told to put on a robe for a shower. When the young masseuse came in I told her I had to go to the bathroom. I had to get redressed and go to the women's section to use the toilet. She watched me getting changed at which time I already had a semi.

Back in my robe I went to the shower seeing another attractive masseuse in a white uniform (mine was in street clothes). I took off my robe in the table shower room and immediately got a full hard on. I lay face down and Lisa scrubbed my backside good, including the crack of my ass. She also sanded the calluses on the bottoms of my feet. Rinse. Turn over. I still had my erection which Lisa covered with a small towel. She reached under the towell and scrubbed my penis quickly though. The rest of my frontside was washed and rinsed very nicely. Then I got up. She was smiling and seemed very impressed that my penis was still rock hard. She gave little DN a good rubdown with the towell with a wide grin onher face.

Robe back on. To the room. Robe off. Wait a couple. Still hard. She comes back in. Lie face down. I did so carefully so as not to squash my engorged tool. She covered me with a sheet but gave a killer hard massage, using hands, feet. hot stones, fingertips. Cricket sounds and splashing water were coming out of the DVD player. A hot towel was used to wipe off all the lotion she had rubbed all over me (moving the sheet to do so).

Turn over. Guess what? Yes, still hard. She brought the sheet up over me, leaving the tip of my erection protruding. By hand signs she asked if I wanted my one eyed trouser snake taken care of. Yes please. She gave the first of about twenty finger to lips, shh signals. God was she good. She played with my balls and stroked my cock just the way I like it. I ecstatically enjoyed for a long time. I have to finish myself off by hand because of a retarded ejaculation condition. She put her forearm over my mouth to drown out any loud orgasmic moans. I finally come to a shuddering climax, after which we both giggled. She mopped up my hands torso and male organ, which had finally gone down to half mast. She threw herself on me for a nice cuddle, then continued the massage. At the end she helped me dress. She didn't ask for a tip but I gave her a moderate one. At my age I'm a one pop man, but today I think I could have done two.

Does Aziffa work? OOHH YEAHHH!!!

Double Nickle, the new legend

I too received my free samples. The first set, though, was shipped in a white envelope and the capsules were crushed and the contents were spewing out of the envelope when the postman dropped it off. My receptionist asked me if I had anybody out for me as she joked it was Anthrax!

Anyway, I emailed the contact at the company who explained that they were not supposed to be shipped out in a regular white envelope, but a padded one instead.

I received the new ones earlier this week and, as I said in the online survey, they worked great with very little (if any) side affects (or is it effects?).

If you can't get them free, it is still worth the $9.99/2 pills or so that they charge online. At 5 bones apiece, it's a pretty good deal.

One more thing is that it is more like Cialis than Viagra in that the affects last for greater than one day. 24-30 hours later I got wood better and faster than normal.

I think I should pop them every other day with my daily vitamin... You never know when you're gonna need to get wood!

Van

Hungry Clif
08-29-07, 15:54
I popsted this originally in the Viagra section and have not received a response to that post, nor to the PM I sent you. Here it is again:


"I am sorry to announce my troubles here in an open forum, however, I have emailed support with no response, tried calling the 888 number and gotten another company and cannot find a city address on my receipt to mail a cancellation of "autoship" to. Mr Aziffa, PLEASE cancel my future shipments. I tried the capsule twice over a 6 day period and each one gave me an unbelievable headache that I was almost unable to function for 24 hours. I am sure this is just MY reaction, but I cannot take the pills any longer.
My order number was 1025

I am PM'ing you also.

Clif"

Boogie Van
09-01-07, 18:06
I received 4 capsules as a free sample. I, too, got them in a white envelope and all 4 were crushed, virtually unusable. I pm'ed Azzifa with no response.

Aziffa
09-07-07, 15:39
Sorry Gentlemen, I don't check this board everyday.

Clif, sorry about not getting back to you everyday. Our website sales won't start until next week. We simply weren't ready for your order. :)

Gradenko,

Sorry for the shipping error. The reason we are taking a long time to start advertising our product is that we want to make sure we have everything in place. We have solved this problem by going with Yellow Padded Mailers.

You should have your samples next week.

Big Dawg1087
09-24-07, 09:30
Hey, I'm not sure if I am allowed to do this but this is probably helpful to a lot of people. There is a website that I use regularly and one of the topics on the side looked interesting. CIALIS. 6 free pills and if you don't like it, Lilly will pay for your Viagra.

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?threadid=614575

Anyway there is the link and if it's not allowed, please remove the link Jackson. If removed, just PM me for more details.

Thanks

Master Diver
10-25-07, 18:33
Does anyone have any experience with this stuff?

Master Diver
10-25-07, 18:42
Does anyone know about Androgel?

Hadecologne
11-29-07, 08:46
I ordered aziffa 4 days ago and received it in 3 days. I have never heard of this product until I read through this forum. I do not have a problem with being hard but I normally do not recover in good time and it is my hope that aziffa will make me feel 18 again! I will be trying it out over the weekend and will give you my feedback.

Thanks

Horsetrader
12-07-07, 22:44
Does anyone have any experience with this stuff?I've used it for about 3 months. Results have been positive but less then great. My doctor just doubled the dosage, maybe that will work better. Your doctor will have you take a blood test before he gives you the presciption. Read the side effects before you buy it. Don't expect it to work immediately, it's a daily thing and I didn't notice anything for a week or two. Send me a PM if you want to know more.

Ezinho
12-08-07, 00:04
Does anyone know about Androgel?Horsetrader is right on about using Androgel, it is something that needs to be used continuously for many weeks/months to recieve the full benefits. Also, unless you are elderly, you should use 100 mg of Androgel (two packs) a day. Anything less is probably not enough. IMHO, it is best used for someone that suffers from Hypogonadism (low testosterone levels) since it is something that is used daily and keeps your T levels consistant. Your T levels will never be high with Androgel, only normal. So, if your Test levels are already normal, chances are Androgel won't do much of anything for you. And if you are truly Hypogonadal, you should see an Endocrinologist for treatment.

But if you want to boost your testosterone levels just for mongering, maybe you are going on a two week trip to Thailand, for example, you would be better off using injectable Test (Sustanon 250). Your Test levels will peak within the first week, and by the third week will be back to what they were before. Coming off injectable Test, you may want to use an anti-estrogen, such as Clomid, so that you won't "crash". Also, it is a good idea to take 50-100 mg of Zinc while you are on Testosterone, it helps to avoid your body from converting excess Test to Estrogens.

As with any type of drug, please be aware of the side effects that are involved.

Hadecologne
01-07-08, 12:08
This is a follow-up to this message I sent out last year. I used the sample that Aziffa sends when you sign up with them. It did a wonderful job, I did not have any side effects from using the product. My erections were harder and lasted longer. The recovery time was amazing. I could go on and on!

I have just received my first autoship package and I used the first 2 capsules over the weekend and again, the results were amazing. I will probably stay on their mailing list for another 6 months and see how my performance goes. This product is the best if you are looking for something that does not need a prescription.


I ordered aziffa 4 days ago and received it in 3 days. I have never heard of this product until I read through this forum. I do not have a problem with being hard but I normally do not recover in good time and it is my hope that aziffa will make me feel 18 again! I will be trying it out over the weekend and will give you my feedback.

Thanks

Boomtown
01-13-08, 09:39
Yesterday I received what appeared to be an auto-shipment of 6 capsules. I had ordered the samples but I don't recall anything saying I'd receive capsules automatically in the future. I called 205 475-1980 and a guy told me to call back Tuesday. In addition my cc was charged 29.95.

MSkid
01-25-08, 15:34
Has anyone had any experience with Medaderm. I hear it advertised on XM radio it's a topical cream. Called and they wanted 59. 95 and I of course turned it down. They called me back today and wanted to send me some from what they say the price of shipping and handling was of $8. 00. Still thinking it was probably a rip off I turned them down.

Aziffa
02-05-08, 19:56
Boomtown,

The autobill is located in at least 2 separate places. We are not trying to deceive anyone about the autobill. If you want to return the product, we have no problem with that. But at $1. 99 we lose money on the first order.

As for everyone else who have given us RAVE reviews. Your check is in the mail.

We worked hard on the product and were in the lab for 8 years before coming out with the product on aziffa.com without spiking it with any thing pharmaceutical.

Now we are just looking for investors to put it on TV and Radio.

Best Regards Guys,

Jamie

Toledo Guy
02-06-08, 22:12
Boomtown,

The autobill is located in at least 2 separate places. We are not trying to deceive anyone about the autobill. If you want to return the product, we have no problem with that. But at $1. 99 we lose money on the first order.

As for everyone else who have given us RAVE reviews. Your check is in the mail.

We worked hard on the product and were in the lab for 8 years before coming out with the product on aziffa.com without spiking it with any thing pharmaceutical.

Now we are just looking for investors to put it on TV and Radio.

Best Regards Guys,

Jamie


I just don't like the ideal of auto bill. What happens, just like the vitamins auto bill deals - they seem to come more often than a month and the product stacks up in my inventory.

I would order some today if I could just order what I want. You need one time orders of 6, 12 and 24 packs. If you had 24 for $99 that would be a big seller - I think.

MSkid
02-07-08, 19:32
I like Toledo guy would be really interested in trying Aziffa but I really want no part of an autobill-autoship program.

Looking on the web site I saw no other way to buy this product.

Aziffa
02-09-08, 13:17
Guys,

At the moment, our website doesn't offer something without the Autobill system.

Please call me and I will do something for you.

Call 888-now-stiff. If you hit option 1, it goes to my cell phone.

As for the Auto bill, we are VERY good about canceling you within 1 day. To date we've only missed one person. We credited them back immediately and we let them keep the product.

Within a few months, our website will be fully functional.

Our company is working on a nationwide TV campaign.

We're looking for a business partner to fund our web campaign. If anyone has $25K or more to invest, we would be interested in speaking with them.

To date we have spent $400 on advertising and already get $1500 monthly in auto billings. We just need to multiply this AND install an affiliate program along with other advertising methods. (including giving Jackson some money)

Again guys, thanks for all your help.

Jamie Greene

Aziffa
02-09-08, 13:18
Please come visit our facility the next time you are in town.

Jamie

Galaxzy75
05-24-08, 12:14
A friend told me about China mop some people call it China brush. It is in most adult stores and sells for ten dollars. You simply brush it on the head of your penis with a thin layer. There is a little burn feeling a hour later and then you are ready for some long term action trust me.

Aziffa
06-09-08, 06:11
Thanks Jackson for your help in launching Aziffa.

I finally got the chance to give back to you by advertising on your site.

Jamie

Aziffa
06-09-08, 06:16
If anyone is willing to be a VIDEO testimonial about Aziffa, I would be willing to give away $100 of FREE product. Make the testimonial around 20-30 seconds long. Please give me your REAL opinion about the product. (good or bad)

If you haven't tried Aziffa yet, I would be willing to send you 2 free dosages if you commit to doing the video. After I get the video clip, I'll send out the product.

I have to limit this to the first 10 people. Let me know if you are interested. Our email address is on the website: www.aziffa.com

Thanks,

Jamie

ButtRaider
09-24-08, 18:16
O. K. Trusted comrades. I have just got a perscription for cialis from my Dr. They are 20 mg pills. He suggested that I cut them in half and try 10 mg first. I would like to ask some questions of the cialis sages.

Question 1- Should I start with 10 mg to see what it is like or go for the whole pill? I've read on here that many of you take 50 mg and some take 100mg.

Question 2- Will I get super hard or just normal?

Question 3- Will I come back fast after I shoot for many multiple pops?

Question 4- Will I last longer?

Gonna try it for the first time with an expensive provider I have set up for this weekend. I want to know what I am doing first.

Your help is appreciated.

BR

Vulva Nut
09-29-08, 19:32
Of course it depends on what you are used to, your age and erectile predicament. It definitely, at a corresponding dose, seems more subtle than V. Overall, in my experience, at a corresponding dose (10mg C to 50 mg V), it is not quite as as good for second pops right away. But at 20 mg I found it effective. I think that more closely relates to the experience of 50+ of V in terms of efficacy. But well into the next day you are good to go, as well, and that is the advantage. So if you are used to V at 50, you may need to go to 15-20 of C. That is my experience. As for erection quality, I think it is like the V effect, full and strong. Same factors involved in endurance, will help a bit because of fact that the erection is solid even when you are not close to peak. You can play back a bit more.

Vulva Nut
09-29-08, 19:36
By the way, good luck getting feedback. I had a bunch of questions in the V C or L department, that just languished for months. Recently I tried L and now have an opinion on all three, esp in terms of what dose of each works for me. Best of luck with your experiences.

ButtRaider
10-01-08, 17:52
Thanks Vulva Nutt!

BR

Vulva Nut
10-02-08, 17:47
Have a blast! Let us know what you do, how it works out for you.

ButtRaider
10-03-08, 05:30
I took it last Friday at about 2:30p. As I said before, I have 20 mg tablets. I started to cut it in half and then just decided to take the whole thing. My appointment was at 4p. I'm not sure when it kicked in. Sometime within the first hour. I met my girl and the first time was pretty normal. I may have lasted a little longer. The second time, I was rock hard within minutes after the first. I lasted pretty long this time, but that can be expected the second time. I was rock hard again within minutes for a third time. I went for another 20 minutes and couldn't fire. I never lost the erection, though. It was still rock hard. I had to be somewhere, so I excused myself. I also think the effects lasted more than 36 hours. I was getting erections at the drop of the hat for at least 48 hours. I like the cialis. I haven't taken anything else, so I don't have anything to compare it to, but had a positive experience.

BR

Rockhunter
10-08-08, 15:33
Any feedback on Aziffa ?

Thank you - Rockhunter

Spaceman Spiff
10-08-08, 23:34
Any feedback on Aziffa ?

Thank you - Rockhunter

It works, and lasts a long time. However, for me the side effects included stuffiness, mild headache and putting me off my feed (not nausea, just didn't enjoy eating) so after my half hour of fun, I had 24 hours of feeling so-so.

I've got more pills, but I think if I don't have some very special sure thing lined up (say a threesome or a girl I know won't rush) I'll just use the equipment unenhanced rather than go for that 18-year-old performance level.

SearcherGuy
10-15-08, 20:36
I have doctor's prescription for Viagra, which I take sometimes. I have also used Rize 2. I prefer Rize 2, but after having read about the recall and subsequent re-do of the contents, I'm not sure I want to take a chance on the "new' Rize 2. Can anyone suggest something that absolutely works? I don't want to waste time and money trying many different products that perhaps don't work. I guess I got spoiled on Rize 2, but if I can find something similar that works I'll give it a try.

Thanks

Doctor Man Toy
10-23-08, 19:21
I ran into this while searching for OTC enhancers. I have taken it and what I enjoy is not only the firmness of my erection, but the faster recovery time and also the effects seem to last about 3-4 days.

Mickey7
10-29-08, 20:38
I ran into this while searching for OTC enhancers. I have taken it and what I enjoy is not only the firmness of my erection, but the faster recovery time and also the effects seem to last about 3-4 days.
Does anyone know if something has gone wrong with Naturect? I checked their website and found a store nearby so I called to make sure they had it. The lady on the phone said they were out of stock and took my name and number to call when they got some in. I asked her several times when she expected to get it in and she didn't seem very positive. She kept saying "I just don't know when" and "I have no idea when it will be coming in". That seems kind of strange to me. I hope it isn't going the way of Rize 2.

I read on the internet that the FDA found an ingredient in Rize 2 that was similar to what's in Viagra. The article said that the Rize 2 recall was voluntary but I bet the FDA forced them into it. I wonder if Naturect hasn't been found suspect too or maybe they're just lying low for a while until the smoke clears from the Rize 2 incident. I've never tried Naturect but I did try Rize 2 and found it to work VERY well for me. However, I tried one capsule of the new lot after the recall and it didn't do a thing for me.

Any information on this would be appreciated. I'll post here if this store ever calls back.

Jinthewood
10-29-08, 21:48
I was alerted to this product by a customer of mine, and he gave me some pills to try. Within a half hour you are rock hard and the effects seem to last 36hrs. Makes you feel like a kid again. I ordered some from Great Britain off the net, ebay. I can actually get away with 1/2 a capsule, but it is a pain emptying out half of the powder and then reclosing the capsule. I always take on an empty stomach w/grapefruit juice.

Dave Miller
10-30-08, 13:32
I also looked on line for a store by me but when I got there the owner told me someone brought 5 bottles and I was put on the list when they got more.. but I ordered some on line and got it today, will see how it works this weekend.. why grapefruit juice? What does that do?

Spearmonger
10-31-08, 09:00
I've RTFF and am still looking for suggestions on an OTC enhancer. I have several products I'd like to try, like Aziffa, Naturect, etc but I really need something I can buy locally. Can't do an internet order for the time being.

I see all the products at GNC and health stores, etc, but do any of them actually work? I'm needing something very soon.

Jinthewood
11-01-08, 09:25
I also looked on line for a store by me but when I got there the owner told me someone brought 5 bottles and I was put on the list when they got more.. but I ordered some on line and got it today, will see how it works this weekend.. why grapefruit juice? What does that do?Grapefruit juice allows more of certain medications to enter the bloodstream.

Man U Nv
11-02-08, 19:15
Has anyone tried this chinese herbal supplements. Viagra is okay with me but doesnt last as long. Cialis is good. It stayed in my system for 3-2 days, unfortunately, that can be a problem at work. (getting hard at every sexual thought). Plus my doc wont give me a RX for the Cialis.

Rake
11-05-08, 11:54
Well. been a long time since I posted here. I've had a lot of medical problems (heart et al) so consequently I have been doing a lot of research & experimenting. After Heart surgery I continued to suffer frequent sever angina (heart pain). All of my doctors are bunch of hack dumbasses that could givea damn if a patient lives of dies - as ong as they get paid.

In my research I have found some VERY interesting things that I think you guys should know (for free). I'm going to try to condense this as much as possible, I could write 50 pages on the topic(s) and barely scratch the surface. What we're talking about here is NITRIC OXIDE (NO) - Thats the chemical that V increases to give you a woody. There are several ways to accomplish this A) increase the amount of availble NO. B) enhance the usage & haflife of the chemical in the system, and C) slow the decomposition of the NO.

NO is a free radical in the body It has a smooth musclce relaxing property and works as a Vaciodialtor. "V" slowes the departure of NO from the body and therefore creates a larger amount in the sytem.

NOW THE GOODY"S......

Want to UP TO DOUBLE the potency and /or the run time of your "V"?
take cimetidine..... or for the unread - TAGAMET OTC. Yep... Google it.
(cimetidine, tagamet viagra)

Want a cheap OTC substitute for "V" that out performes "C"?
OK.... L ARGININE is broken down by the body into NO. This stuff is a miracle drug. take 500mg a day for a week and notice the difference. Take 3 grams a day, build muscle, cure your Hypertension, & get a boner like you were 25 again. Want to double the effect? load up on vitamin C before the Arginine.

NOTE:!!!!! L ARGININE is a well known herpes antagonist, so if you have HVS2, shingles (zoster) etc. either A) don't use it, or B) limit your daily dose to 500 - 100 mg and take L LYSINE with it.

As with ANY medicine this will not help you if NO production/retention is not your problem. But, the L Aginine is $3.50 at Walmart and it may just even help your heart and a lot of other things... RESEARCH IT!

For me, I don't really need "V" if I use the L Arginine & C, but they in combination with half a "V" and one tagamet produce a loooong term blue steel boner (without angina) If you take it with (Rx) propoxiphene (darvocette) or Oxyc. you might very well be able to screw both you and your partner to (litterally) death. I have also noticed that this helps The "Viagra head" that so many of us feel post-V.

Your milage may very!!!!!!!

Dr. Rake

Mickey7
11-11-08, 21:45
Has anyone heard of or tried Stiff Nights? I was looking at another forum where they were talking about the demise of Rize 2 and one participant said that this stuff works just as good as Rize 2 did before the recall. I had used Rize 2 several times before and it really worked well for me. They also said that when you find one of these products that really works buy as much as you can before the FDA gets their nose into it like they did with Rize 2.

Also, what about Lightning Rod? When I was at the adult store last time the lady at the counter said it was selling fast. She had a lot of Rize 2 just sitting in the case but the display for Lightning Rod was almost empty. It looked like it came in a single capsule package and a three capsule bottle. They also had Stiff Nights in a two capsule pack and it looked to be cheaper than the Rize 2.

Lastly, I still haven't heard back from the store that I called in relation to Naturect. I haven't seen anything on any of the forums about it either.

Bamasam
11-13-08, 13:53
Stiff nights is also sold by Aziffa and you can call and do a one time order of either for $50 for 12 or $100 for 30. Worked great!!

Mickey7
11-18-08, 22:12
I also looked on line for a store by me but when I got there the owner told me someone brought 5 bottles and I was put on the list when they got more..
The store near me finally called and said they got an order of Naturect in. I asked the lady on the phone if there was some kind of problem with the product since it took so long to get. She sounded embarassed to tell me that the problem was with their store. They lost their manager and things started falling apart. She said she took it upon herself to start taking care of ordering since several other products were out of stock. She said the only problem they have with Naturect is that they can't keep it in stock because it sells so fast.

She's holding a 5 count pack for me. I'll post how it works after I pick it up.

ButtRaider
11-25-08, 19:37
This is some great information! Thanks! I do have a question. What does load up on Vitamin C mean? How much is loading up?

Thanks,

BR

Mickey7
11-29-08, 22:32
I picked up my order of NatuRECT at the local health food store. I'm glad I had them hold a bottle of five for me because when I picked it up they said they were all sold out already. The lady said she got 5 bottles of 5 and 5 bottles of 10 and only had a few single capsule packs left. She said she's going to order some more and that it takes a while since it comes from California.

Now for the good news, it worked real good and fast. I took it first thing in the morning on a totally empty stomach and within 20 minutes while I was on my way to a local hooker's house I had a hard-on that wasn't going down. Even after I was done with her it took quite a while for it to go totally down. It almost reminded me of the old Rize2 before the recall. However, I didn't notice much lingering effects the next day although it was still there somewhat. This is consistent with reports that I saw on another forum which contradicted other reports that said it lasted 2 - 3 days. This isn't a problem for me since I'm interested in quality, not quantity. I did notice a slight flushed feeling after taking it and my eyes seemed to be sensitive to bright light for a few hours afterwards.

I'm going to call this store and have them hold a bottle of 10 for me on their next order. Who knows how long this stuff will last before the FDA gets wind of it.

NutHang
11-30-08, 14:59
Well. been a long time since I posted here. I've had a lot of medical problems (heart et al) so consequently I have been doing a lot of research & experimenting....

Want a cheap OTC substitute for "V" that out performes "C"?
OK.... L ARGININE is broken down by the body into NO. This stuff is a miracle drug. take 500mg a day for a week and notice the difference. Your milage may very!!!!!!!

Dr. Rake
GREAT post - thank you for sharing!! :)

The amino acid L-Arginine "promotes stimulation of Nitric Oxide, which helps support blood flow". That's from the bottle I got yesterday at Walmart for $3.69 per your suggestion. Took some before bedtime; rock hard overnight erection! However there is one caveat, or maybe a WARNING: The combo of L-Arginine along with "V" may produce... a massive headache or even a migraine! :eek:

Yes this tip could help to get more bang for your buck, when taking "V".... but if you already have problems with headache on V, boosting your nitric oxide with L-Arginine could make it MUCH worse. Google nitric oxide headache for more info.

Tagamet is another story. It is definitely contraindicated for Pfizer V. I might very carefully try this (half tab or less, for starters) - but would be concerned about complications. Priapism is a boner that won't go down after 2 hours. I sure don't want a trip to the ER!! :(

The other suggestion you made is Darvocet, Oxy - I use hydrocodone. The brand name Vicodin is: 5 mg hydrocodone/ 500 tylenol. Recommend ask your doc for a 7.5/325 combo instead - brand name Norco, Lortab, etc. More hydro less tylenol.

Taking Hydro (opiate analgesic like Oxy, percocet, etc.) with V - will completely remove a mild headache. It also tends to delay ejaculation. Downside would be - making it difficult to come. As you said - YMMV! All of these may work slightly different for you.

If you're drinking alcohol, then all bets are off. In general you don't wanna drink when using opiates like oxy, hydro, etc. Booze is also not advised when using V, anyway. Says so right on the bottle.

As far as "magic boner pills" (Naturect, Aziffa, Cobra, Enzyte, blah blah...) SAVE YOUR MONEY. Just buy the L-Arginine from Walmart for $3.69 a bottle like Rake says. Then buy some ginseng, or legit sexual herbs (example: Hot Plants) you have ALL the same stuff, for a fraction of the cost.

Magic Pills are bogus. Wikipedia "Enzyte", there is no magic formula that works any better than the REAL herbs: Yohimbe, Longjack, Maca, Tribbulus, and Horny Goat Weed. Go ahead and spend 20x the money if you want. :)

Bighawg11
11-30-08, 23:12
I encountered a horny goat weed/yohimbe mouth spray that worked wonders.

Spray it under the tongue (nasty tasting stuff, btw...I waited about 10 minutes, much of it with this stuff under the tongue where it absorbs quickly, and then swig a big glass of pineapple or grapefruit juice. The former for taste (it gives you a better "taste" if you worry about that) and grapefruit for its ability to enhance absorption.

Worked fine. Fraction of the cost and I could hide it in the medicine cabinet and it looked like a spray for a sore throat.

Rake
12-06-08, 11:27
sorry BR.. that was sloppy on my part. My reference to "C" was Cemetidine - "tagamet" 1 tab helps, the standard dose for antacid is 2 tabs. As in playing with any new drug, start S-L-O-W- and work up to a successfull result, then don't exceed that.

OF COURSE..... re: Vitamin C, almost can't have too much!

Interesting Story - I was just shopping online for some injectable dexamethasone (Decadron) and one indian company (not ADC) was trying to sell me Maxadex. maxadex IS dexamethasone, but it is a topical ompthamalic. The Indian CSR guy thought that just because it was in "amuples" in was injectable......As a topical, Maxadex has enough chlorides, etc. to act just about like a Kavorkian/lethal inj. IF you acidentaly put it into a cardiac in-going artery. Caveat Emptor X 2!!!!

Got to say though... ADC has some real dumbasses as CSR's that respond to customer inquiries. I buy a lot of non-ED Rx's from them, and I have been argueing with them for over a month now about their Dexamethasone inj.
They keep telling me 1mg/ml for $0.60 USD. And when I ask "ok, what size bottle", they just repete the same thing...... Why in the hell would anyone want to buy 1ml? & for 60 cents?...... They need to get their act together.

Knucklebuck
12-15-08, 17:23
Want a cheap OTC substitute for "V" that out performes "C"?
OK.... L ARGININE is broken down by the body into NO. This stuff is a miracle drug. take 500mg a day for a week and notice the difference. Take 3 grams a day, build muscle, cure your Hypertension, & get a boner like you were 25 again. Want to double the effect? load up on vitamin C before the Arginine.

NOTE:!!!!! L ARGININE is a well known herpes antagonist, so if you have HVS2, shingles (zoster) etc. either A) don't use it, or B) limit your daily dose to 500 - 100 mg and take L LYSINE with it.

As with ANY medicine this will not help you if NO production/retention is not your problem. But, the L Aginine is $3.50 at Walmart and it may just even help your heart and a lot of other things... RESEARCH IT!

For me, I don't really need "V" if I use the L Arginine & C, but they in combination with half a "V" and one tagamet produce a loooong term blue steel boner (without angina) If you take it with (Rx) propoxiphene (darvocette) or Oxyc. you might very well be able to screw both you and your partner to (litterally) death. I have also noticed that this helps The "Viagra head" that so many of us feel post-V.

Your milage may very!!!!!!!

Dr. Rake

Ok, feel weird saying this here...but, "Dr. Rake...how much L-Arginine does it take to be really effective?"

I had been using Aziffa and it works. I bought some L- in 500mg capsules and it doesn't do much...I'm taking 1 capsule daily.

Would a good combo be say (2)500mg caps of L- and a Tagamet for a night of action?

Blank Page
12-16-08, 01:48
Has anyone tried Hard 4 Men? http://www.hard4men.com/

Seems to be the only thing I can find in a store I can walk into here in Houston.

Do they sell NatuRECT at places like Whole Foods?

I was just at Walgreen's and also bought Nature's Bounty V Power, however when I got home and read the reviews, scared the crap out of me and will probably throw this one away.

Plaztic
12-17-08, 22:04
I tryed Stiff nights on 2 seperate times. Both times, on the second day, I got flu like sickness. I felt dizzy, naushea, & headache. I was in bed all day and not for the reason you think. Once the sickness was gone it worked great. However not worth the sickness.

Rake
12-19-08, 11:08
I find that 500mg a day keeps me in about the same sexual potency as I was ...say late 20-early 30's. In other words, it's there if theres any reasonable motivation. I was taking the L Arginine for my heart trouble and "accidently" noticed the sexual side effects after about a week of daily (500mg) use, and so researched it.

BTW... no doctor, just joking, just a guy that grew up in pharmacies and laboratories. hard core self-medicator with deep distrust of doctor$$$.

Kinkyguy2008
12-19-08, 12:57
Guys,

If you are having problems getting it up & staying hard. Do what I did. Get your doctor to prescribe depo-testostrone. It is a controlled steriod, is an injectable. Take 2 cc every 2 weeks & then when you need an extra boost. Take some ginseng. You will not walk around with a boner (u will initially) but you can definitely get it up & keep it up to outdo any woman. If you want more girth or length. Try Enzyte. The stuff works. Just ask my wife.

George GA
12-25-08, 18:53
Guys,

If you are having problems getting it up & staying hard. Do what I did. Get your doctor to prescribe depo-testostrone. It is a controlled steriod, is an injectable. Take 2 cc every 2 weeks & then when you need an extra boost. Take some ginseng. You will not walk around with a boner (u will initially) but you can definitely get it up & keep it up to outdo any woman. If you want more girth or length. Try Enzyte. The stuff works. Just ask my wife.


And just how do we contact your wife? :<) J/K

Jeep39
01-24-09, 15:24
Okay, I drink this liquid vitamin daily and it gives a good hard on after you take it about two weeks. It's called Complete Nutrition and the Brand Name is: Glacial Milk. I buy it at Sams for $20 bucks a bottle. The suggested retail is $39. 95 yea whatever. You might want to look it up on the web to review all the nutrients and herbs that's in it. I don't know why it causes a boner and a lasting one during and after sex. You don't have to worry about that second or third try when the wife say's can we do it again. With this stuff you can. The lady that was promoting this at Sams told me I would see results after taking it for two weeks but she didn't tell me what kind. I'm not endorsing this stuff just thought I'd let all know what works for me. Even though I don't know why it does.

Bigtbear
01-26-09, 14:16
I'm also a member of the half century club, and an occasional user of vitamin V which gives good results. I tried the previous recommended supplements of 500 mg of Vitamin C and 500 mg of L Arginine and have had good results. Mr happy responds quicker than pre-supplements, not back to the glory days but good none the less. However, performance with vitamin V is about the same as pre-supplement days. Still good, but not diamond cutter quality.

I'm wondering if kicking up the L Arginine to 2. 3 gms on day before and on game day would be effective in stoking the furnace.

I plan on performing some more field trials and will report if I find anything out of the ordinary.

TylerDurden01
01-27-09, 11:12
I'm also a member of the half century club, and an occasional user of vitamin V which gives good results. I tried the previous recommended supplements of 500 mg of Vitamin C and 500 mg of L Arginine and have had good results. Mr happy responds quicker than pre-supplements, not back to the glory days but good none the less. However, performance with vitamin V is about the same as pre-supplement days. Still good, but not diamond cutter quality.

I'm wondering if kicking up the L Arginine to 2. 3 gms on day before and on game day would be effective in stoking the furnace.

I plan on performing some more field trials and will report if I find anything out of the ordinary.I am not a nutritional expert by any means, but I do take the GNC Mega Man multivitamin and it has 2000mg of L Arginine in it so I am guessing 500mg might be on the low end of what should be taken. Plus the guy at GNC told me he takes 2 grams a day. He also told me that it is something to take daily. He said every day for two weeks and you will start to notice a significant difference. Hope this helps.

Mr Bubble
01-28-09, 10:33
I'm also a member of the half century club, and an occasional user of vitamin V which gives good results. I tried the previous recommended supplements of 500 mg of Vitamin C and 500 mg of L Arginine and have had good results. Mr happy responds quicker than pre-supplements, not back to the glory days but good none the less. However, performance with vitamin V is about the same as pre-supplement days. Still good, but not diamond cutter quality.

I'm wondering if kicking up the L Arginine to 2. 3 gms on day before and on game day would be effective in stoking the furnace.

I plan on performing some more field trials and will report if I find anything out of the ordinary.

I used to take 1 gram x 3 a day as a regular supplement regimen when going to the gym regularly and this is no problem for the body. I wouldn't recommend going above 5grams/day as you wont benefit from this. I haven't been exercising much lately however I'll pop 2grams an hour prior to my Vitamin V dose and add another gram when taking my V. I feel like it gives my V a little added boost.

As rhino10 explained, medical benefits are shown when L-Arg is used daily for long term results.

Good luck!

The Raven
02-01-09, 11:19
I just starting taking L with varied results.

Does the tagament adder work for L like it does for V?

Or maybe I need to swap to V?

Thanks

Boogie Van
02-04-09, 07:24
I'm also a member of the half century club, and an occasional user of vitamin V which gives good results. I tried the previous recommended supplements of 500 mg of Vitamin C and 500 mg of L Arginine and have had good results. Mr happy responds quicker than pre-supplements, not back to the glory days but good none the less. However, performance with vitamin V is about the same as pre-supplement days. Still good, but not diamond cutter quality.

I'm wondering if kicking up the L Arginine to 2. 3 gms on day before and on game day would be effective in stoking the furnace.

I plan on performing some more field trials and will report if I find anything out of the ordinary.

I take 2 500mg tabs a day, nearly everyday and if and when I believe I'm getting to play, I add 2 more before I head out. I haven't tried it in combination with any of the prescribed treatments but found that it works for me pretty well. Though my only tests have come with the Ex and their are no nervous/impression issues to overcome when we hook up.

I did find that in just taking the 2 tabs a day, I got a harder erection in certain circumstances when normally I'd just kind of "perk up". I'm 38 and in fairly couch-potato shape, 5-9, 210 at the moment, for whatever thats worth.

Member #5668
02-04-09, 14:06
Is there anything I can do to make myself last longer?

Any vitamins, medications, pills, tips or tricks?

Thanks

Bigtbear
02-05-09, 11:54
Is there anything I can do to make myself last longer?

Any vitamins, medications, pills, tips or tricks?

ThanksIf the action makes you pop too quick you can use one of the products that desensitizes your member, haven't tried it myself but lots of comments that it works. For me its a mental thing, if I can get over the initial rush and excitement I can get settled in and last but every once in a while the right lady can make it go pop real quick.

If mr happy wilts too quick, maybe try a ring. Do a search on cock rings and carefully try one out with a provider who has some experience with them. Loads of fun.

Muddy Shoes
02-06-09, 09:48
Is there anything I can do to make myself last longer?

Any vitamins, medications, pills, tips or tricks?

Thanks

At a recent visit to the Dr, I mentioned that the cough syrup she had previously prescribed (Hycodan) for a bad cold had a rather pleasant, unintended side effect-that it made me last longer. I'm sure that it was the narcotic pain killer in the med (oxycodone) that did the trick. We discussed other options that would produce similar results without the possibility of me getting addicted to the stuff. She prescribed 50 mg Tramadol, which apparently is less habit forming. If you Google Tramadol and prem. ejac. you will find articles that detail this off-label use. I've only had a chance to try it once, but I had to wait 6 hours after taking before having sex (something came up). I could tell it helped, but I'm sure that most of the potency had worn off due to the wait.

BTW, that Hycodan is great stuff for colds and flu-got me out of bed and to work feeling great, masking all of my cold symptoms so I could function.

Muddy Shoes
02-06-09, 09:53
I forgot to mention with the Hycodan, if you take too much you won't be able to get it up at all. The few times I used it specifically for this purpose I found that the upper end of the recommended dosage worked best for me. Any more and I either couldn't get it up or couldn't come at all.

Jolly Rocks
02-09-09, 14:55
I am not a nutritional expert by any means, but I do take the GNC Mega Man multivitamin and it has 2000mg of L Arginine in it so I am guessing 500mg might be on the low end of what should be taken. Plus the guy at GNC told me he takes 2 grams a day. He also told me that it is something to take daily. He said every day for two weeks and you will start to notice a significant difference. Hope this helps.


I also take the Mega Man 50 vitamin and my bottle says 200 mg, not 2000, big difference there. I started taking 1 gram of arginine 2-3 times a day, and it gives me a stomach ache.

TylerDurden01
02-09-09, 22:20
I also take the Mega Man 50 vitamin and my bottle says 200 mg, not 2000, big difference there. I started taking 1 gram of arginine 2-3 times a day, and it gives me a stomach ache.You must be taking one of the different varieties. GNC mega man comes in around a half dozen variations. The "performance and vitality" box contains two 1000mg L-arginine powder capsules per serving. Some of the other options do contain less however. I think some may contain none at all. While they are all called mega men they do have completely different vitamins. It gets a bit confusing.

Jolly Rocks
02-10-09, 10:37
You must be taking one of the different varieties. GNC mega man comes in around a half dozen variations. The "performance and vitality" box contains two 1000mg L-arginine powder capsules per serving. Some of the other options do contain less however. I think some may contain none at all. While they are all called mega men they do have completely different vitamins. It gets a bit confusing.


Oh ok, you must be talking about the one that comes in the box, I don't buy that one. Thanks for the clarification. Seems odd to put so much Arginine in the multi though, since you are supposed to take it on an empty stomach, or so I thought, and I always try to take vitamins in general with food. How do you take it?
There are so many herbal enhancement products out there, it's totally confusing. Can anyone confirm one that really works? So far, the only one that seems to have credibility is the Aziffa product, but it's a pain in the ass to buy and I'm not going to sign up for their autoship program.

TylerDurden01
02-10-09, 16:39
Oh ok, you must be talking about the one that comes in the box, I don't buy that one. Thanks for the clarification. Seems odd to put so much Arginine in the multi though, since you are supposed to take it on an empty stomach, or so I thought, and I always try to take vitamins in general with food. How do you take it?

There are so many herbal enhancement products out there, it's totally confusing. Can anyone confirm one that really works? So far, the only one that seems to have credibility is the Aziffa product, but it's a pain in the ass to buy and I'm not going to sign up for their autoship program.The box actually says take one pack daily with food. I took them one day without eating and that was a big mistake. I got a bad stomach ache and even got a little bit dizzy. Ever since I take it with food and I have had no problems. One thing I do is take half the pack with breakfast and the other half with lunch so that I am not taking all 7 or whatever vitamins at once.

Pimp Hound
02-11-09, 04:34
Hey Doc,

I am closing in on sixty. Been using levitra full recently but now I get the side effects of NAION. I stop using V, not effective for penetration. What do you recommend and safe side effects for someone with high bp. I take atenolol, niphidipine for bp.

Pimp Hound
03-18-09, 04:42
I read where L arginine ingredients cause gout. Does any one know about this. S__t I already have gout dont need the xtra pain. Just the xtra hard on.

Confucius
04-24-09, 08:21
I have a friend that started selling this "Magic for Men" a couple of weeks ago, and it is the best non 'scrip pill I have ever taken. I have tried the Vigor 25, RIZE 2, and Stiff Nights, and they all work good but this stuff is nuts! He gave me a sample pill to try. Driving in my car, hitting bumps I got hard. That never happened before with anything. I now open the capsule and take half to a third of it and it lasts me all day and into the next. No BS! It is very very strong. I have tried all the 'scrip meds and this one is unreal compared to anything else I have tried..

If any of you guys are looking for a strong E.D. pill, let me know and I will forward the info to my friend.

I hope I help some of you guys with the info here. You have try iot out.

Jerikson40
04-24-09, 13:27
I'm curious...what is the medical reason for it taking 1-2 weeks for a supplement like L-Anginine to produce noticeable effects? Does it have to build up in your system?

Thanks

John Dough
05-06-09, 19:35
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icariin
icariin has been demonstrated to act as a PDE5 inhibitor and to enhance the production of bioactive nitric oxide to enhance erectile function

http://www.barlowesherbalelixirs.com/catalog20.html
Horny Goat Weed (50% Icariin) 60 capsule bottle (1/2 gram per capsule)
Icariin is only about 1/10 the potency of sildenafil or tadalifil, the active ingredients in Viagra© and Cialis©. it requires at least 500 milligrams of Icariin to produce a similar result (two capsules)
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/live/icariin50.html

Spearmonger
05-19-09, 18:40
I tried some Stiff Nights yesterday about an hour before an incall appointment. Package says it works in 25 minutes and lasts for 36-48 hours.

The incall sucked and didn't last long, so I couldn't judge if it was effective, so I waited a couple hours and tried things out with my girlfriend.

Absolutely no change from the usual and about 4 hours after taking it, I got the worst headache and upset stomach. Waste of $$$ in my opinion.

Member #4064
05-19-09, 19:54
I tried some Stiff Nights yesterday about an hour before an incall appointment. Package says it works in 25 minutes and lasts for 36-48 hours.

The incall sucked and didn't last long, so I couldn't judge if it was effective, so I waited a couple hours and tried things out with my girlfriend.

Absolutely no change from the usual and about 4 hours after taking it, I got the worst headache and upset stomach. Waste of $$$ in my opinion.

IMHO I would not waste $7. or so for two of those pills. I think they are more a novelty than a real product. I would try the secure tabs advertised on the board.

Jinthewood
05-19-09, 20:47
I tried some Stiff Nights yesterday about an hour before an incall appointment. Package says it works in 25 minutes and lasts for 36-48 hours.

The incall sucked and didn't last long, so I couldn't judge if it was effective, so I waited a couple hours and tried things out with my girlfriend.

Absolutely no change from the usual and about 4 hours after taking it, I got the worst headache and upset stomach. Waste of $$$ in my opinion.

Try Dragon King. This stuff is the "bomb". No side effects for me. For about 48 hrs. though you will be happy. It is sent out of GB, and costs about $3/pill if you buy the 5 pack.
See the link here: http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=810014&postcount=8

DarthRaider666
05-23-09, 15:06
It's amazing that I have never found this section of this site until today!! I'm a 42 year old guy, 5-10 and I'm tipping 370 pounds so yeah I have issues, the thing I REALLY need to do is get my fat ass in the gym, I know that, but everybody looks for the easy way. I don't know about the rest of you guys but I really felt a sexual slow down at age 37, it was like somebody turned off a damn light switch or something. I've been experimenting with stuff since age 37 and the one thing I know for sure is that NOTHING works for EVERYBODY, but there are some things that work for enough people that you'd be a fool not to TRY it.

Do yourself a favor and get this book, best $25 you will ever spend.
"Prescription for Nutritional Healing (4th Edition)" by Phyllis A. Balch, CNC. ISBN # 158333236-7. I'm 99% sure you will find SOMETHING in there to help you with some problem you have. But looking at their section on "Impotence" (mind you, we aren't talking "impotence" here, I think us guys just want to get it up like when we were 18 again.)

Stuff that I am currently using that I think works
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1. Maca

2. DIM-plus by Natures Way (Diindolylmethane)
As THIS is the SHIT right here, for me. For me, and a lot of guys over 40, the problem is you are fat and out of shape. Those fat cells are sitting there producing estrogen, which is combining with your already low testosterone and your diuretics and your poor little man just doesn't have a fighting chance. You can solve it one of two ways, get in shape or get rid of some of that estrogen, DIM eats estrogen!

3. Hawthorne (liquid herb extract)
High blood pressure will fuck up your erection. Get your damn blood pressure down my man. http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/guide/high-blood-pressure-erectile-dysfunction
I went from a dangerously high blood pressure of 198/103 to a blood pressure of 140/70 in three month using this extract.

4. and 5. Catuaba and Muirapuama (liquid herbal extracts, together).

All call the previous five items my big five, I will never give them up because this is the first formula that proved to ME that it worked for ME. About 3 years ago, I was on a bus in Westwood, California near the UCLA campus in the middle of the summer, a nice warm day. Two UCLA co-eds stepped on the bus, they were certifiable, Grade A, USDA choice hotties, no doubt. I got an instant woody. You fellas remember how shit was when you were 18, how you could get a woody be just looking at a truly hot chick? Well, my woody wasn't as hard as that, but if was hard enough were I wasn't going to stand up on that bus, I tell you that.

The following is stuff I have learned about since the big five.

6. Yohimbe (liquid herb extract, only on "game day")
This stuff can actually be very harmful, I have read that misuse of this herb can kill you. So, I only use two eyedroppers of this stuff about two hours before I know I'm going to get some ass.

7. A good COMPLETE multivitamin high in Vitamin C, but with NO Iron.
Vitamin C also promotes testosterone, but also combined with L-Lysine reduces blood pressure.

8. L-Arginine (4 gram) (with 2 grams of L-Lysine)
L-Arginine has numerous health benefits even if it were not to help you get wood, but from my experience it absolutely does help and its cheap as dirt. BUT, taking too much of it without balancing it will fuck you up too.

9. NO FUCKING DIURETICS.

"Diuretics (or water pills) and beta-blockers are the blood pressure medications most commonly linked to erectile dysfunction.

Diuretics may cause erectile dysfunction by decreasing the force of blood flow into the penis. They may also decrease the amount of zinc in the body. Your body needs zinc to make testosterone." (Source: WebMD)

10. Nattozimes.
Ah, you know plaque build up in your blood vessels, including the little ones, "down there", in theory this stuff eats that plaque away and opens them up. I am not 100% sure it works, but once again, at $8 for 90 capsules, its super cheap and I like the theory.

11. Water.
From my understanding. Damn near everything in your body begins with water. Get at least 8 glasses of water a day.

Jolly Rocks
06-11-09, 14:12
I don't know what this stuff is made of, but it works great. I ordered a free sample to try it out, used it the other night and haven't been this stiff in years. I ran out of steam before I ran out of steel, which is a switch for me, after about 45 minutes I had to take a break, but never lost the rod! Anyone else familiar with it? Only side effect is the next day, I had wicked heartburn all day and most of the night like a lump was in my chest.

John Dough
06-12-09, 22:51
http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Aec
Chocolatl was a drink made from roasted cocao beans, chile and honey.
It was generally thought of as an aphrodisiac... (drinking chocolatl expands the artery leading to the penis for sustained erections.)

In a cup of hot water add

1 Tablespoon cocoa powder
1 Teaspoon powdered ginger or 1/2 teaspoon cayenne pepper
Sweeten to taste with honey or sugar
The more of this you drink, the longer the effect will last and the better it will work.

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http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/r...te_Dove_Bar.php
It's erection medicine. Dark chocolate contains epicatechins, flavonoids that trigger the release of dilating chemicals in the inner, or endothelial, layer of the arteries.

http://www.koreamed.org/SearchBasic.php?DT=1&RID=456974
Cocoa extract relaxes corpus cavernosal tissue in a dose-dependent manner via NOS and the endothelium. Cocoa extract may therefore be effective for improving erectile function.

http://www.celebrateintimacy.com/valura.html
The lead active ingredient in Valura™ is Cacao, a plant that proponents say puts the sex drive into overdrive! Cacao has been used by traditional societies as a mood elevator (aphrodisiac) and a peripheral vasodilator.

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http://www.all4naturalhealth.com/fi...ysfunction.html
Cayenne pepper is the most powerful herb for directly increasing overall circulation, and is a useful addition to any natural remedies for erectile dysfunction. Ginger is also an excellent herb for improving circulation, though not as powerful as cayenne. It is, however, much milder and more pleasant.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...10225103AAZvQNx
since an erection is all about good blood flow, try drinking a teaspoon of cayenne pepper in a glass of warm water: the cayenne gets your blood flow supercharged. You'll have an erection hard enough to cut diamonds. Amazing little herbal remedy that the drug companies don't want you to know about.

http://www.pegym.com********exercis...ection-tea.html

Erection Tea.

Fill up a four cup pot with water.
Filter in the place where you put coffee.
4-5 bags of black tea.
2-4 tablespoons of ginger, you can get this in a jar at the grocery store.
brew it like you would brew coffee.

DarthRaider666
06-13-09, 17:10
http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Aec
Chocolatl was a drink made from roasted cocao beans, chile and honey.
It was generally thought of as an aphrodisiac... (drinking chocolatl expands the artery leading to the penis for sustained erections.)

In a cup of hot water add

1 Tablespoon cocoa powder
1 Teaspoon powdered ginger or 1/2 teaspoon cayenne pepper
Sweeten to taste with honey or sugar
The more of this you drink, the longer the effect will last and the better it will work.

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http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/r...te_Dove_Bar.php
It's erection medicine. Dark chocolate contains epicatechins, flavonoids that trigger the release of dilating chemicals in the inner, or endothelial, layer of the arteries.

http://www.koreamed.org/SearchBasic.php?DT=1&RID=456974
Cocoa extract relaxes corpus cavernosal tissue in a dose-dependent manner via NOS and the endothelium. Cocoa extract may therefore be effective for improving erectile function.

http://www.celebrateintimacy.com/valura.html
The lead active ingredient in Valura™ is Cacao, a plant that proponents say puts the sex drive into overdrive! Cacao has been used by traditional societies as a mood elevator (aphrodisiac) and a peripheral vasodilator.

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http://www.all4naturalhealth.com/fi...ysfunction.html
Cayenne pepper is the most powerful herb for directly increasing overall circulation, and is a useful addition to any natural remedies for erectile dysfunction. Ginger is also an excellent herb for improving circulation, though not as powerful as cayenne. It is, however, much milder and more pleasant.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...10225103AAZvQNx
since an erection is all about good blood flow, try drinking a teaspoon of cayenne pepper in a glass of warm water: the cayenne gets your blood flow supercharged. You'll have an erection hard enough to cut diamonds. Amazing little herbal remedy that the drug companies don't want you to know about.

http://www.pegym.com********exercis...ection-tea.html

Erection Tea.

Fill up a four cup pot with water.
Filter in the place where you put coffee.
4-5 bags of black tea.
2-4 tablespoons of ginger, you can get this in a jar at the grocery store.
brew it like you would brew coffee.

Thanks, a couple of these sound really good! I'm gonna have to test them out. I actually found one more little recipe this weekend that really got me up a few days ago. I'm sure this will not work for everybody but Horney Goat weed, (4 grams) and Yohimbe (4 grams) and a nice fresh piece of ass gave me a residual stiffie even on the following day!

Willy O
06-13-09, 22:48
Thanks, a couple of these sound really good! I'm gonna have to test them out. I actually found one more little recipe this weekend that really got me up a few days ago. I'm sure this will not work for everybody but Horney Goat weed, (4 grams) and Yohimbe (4 grams) and a nice fresh piece of ass gave me a residual stiffie even on the following day!
I metioned it before and if you do a little research on this forum you will find that yohimbe is bad news. Too lazy to link you to those discussions but you can find them easily.

DarthRaider666
06-14-09, 19:40
I metioned it before and if you do a little research on this forum you will find that yohimbe is bad news. Too lazy to link you to those discussions but you can find them easily.


Willy O, you are correct. My bad. I've been using Yohimbe for probably two years or so even though I know the stuff can easily put you in a bad way and bet should be avoided, there's just too much potential downside. I will say one thing though, the stuff definitely does have an effect, it may not be worth the potential problems, but it does have an effect. I like going to strip clubs and occasionally fucking some of the strippers at the strip club. I'm kind of a shy guy actually and as you can imagine the strippers that I like to fuck are not. Yohimbe does put me in an aggressive mood that they seem to like, kinda like "let's get the private lapdance booth on the end and handle some business baby", they smile when I say that and Yohimbe seems to be the thing that will put me in the state of mind, but I really should look for something else.

Bigtbear
06-15-09, 17:46
I tried the mixture described in an earlier post of hot water, cocoa and cayenne pepper.....wow, not for the faint of heart, felt like I was sipping napalm. Kept squirting more and more honey in the mix, but it was like the cayenne was just laughing at me.
Tried the alternate mixture using ginger instead of cayenne, a little funky tasting but much more tolerable.
Oh the things we try to get mr stiffy just a little bit harder......

Lov2play
06-15-09, 18:31
Viagra, Levitra or Celais..

Which one do you like the best?

Ycwinva
06-15-09, 19:25
I tried the mixture described in an earlier post of hot water, cocoa and cayenne pepper.....wow, not for the faint of heart, felt like I was sipping napalm. Kept squirting more and more honey in the mix, but it was like the cayenne was just laughing at me.
Tried the alternate mixture using ginger instead of cayenne, a little funky tasting but much more tolerable.
Oh the things we try to get mr stiffy just a little bit harder......

We all knew it would taste bad :)

But, did it work ????

Bigtbear
06-16-09, 09:51
We all knew it would taste bad :)

But, did it work ????
I tried a couple of different mixes to check taste....guess I'll have to go with the ole chug it down routine if I want to get the effects of the cayenne.
The cocoa and cayenne with no other performance enhancers did have a noticeable effect. I have full scale field trials scheduled later this week so I will have a better report by the weekend.
For me vitamin V with a boost of L'Arginine under the tongue 30 min before game time works pretty well. I'm planning to add the cocoa/cayenne tea mix to my normal routine and see what happens.

Gene Mer
06-16-09, 10:45
Viagra, Levitra or Celais..

Which one do you like the best?I have tried all three over the years and Viagra works the best for me.

Jolly Rocks
06-16-09, 14:08
[QUOTE=Bigtbear]For me vitamin V with a boost of L'Arginine under the tongue 30 min before game time works pretty well.

How do you take the L'Arginine under the tongue? Mine are like horse pills. I got one stuck in my throat for 2 days once!

On another note, my 2 biggest problems now since I passed the 60 mark are busting a nut at all, and/or staying hard long enough to do it, since it takes forever and sometimes never. The Arginine and the P-boost take care of the staying hard for the most part, but busting the nut is never talked about much. Anyone else have that problem?

Willy O
06-16-09, 14:19
[QUOTE=Bigtbear]For me vitamin V with a boost of L'Arginine under the tongue 30 min before game time works pretty well.

How do you take the L'Arginine under the tongue? Mine are like horse pills. I got one stuck in my throat for 2 days once!

On another note, my 2 biggest problems now since I passed the 60 mark are busting a nut at all, and/or staying hard long enough to do it, since it takes forever and sometimes never. The Arginine and the P-boost take care of the staying hard for the most part, but busting the nut is never talked about much. Anyone else have that problem?
I have bought the l-arginine in powder packets to be mixed with water so it supposedly gets into your system quicker. There is other stuff mixed in as well. It came from North Star Nutritionals and goes by the name Argi-Vive III.

Lov2play
06-16-09, 15:56
On another note, my 2 biggest problems now since I passed the 60 mark are busting a nut at all, and/or staying hard long enough to do it, since it takes forever and sometimes never. The Arginine and the P-boost take care of the staying hard for the most part, but busting the nut is never talked about much. Anyone else have that problem?Yep sad to say. What I've found that helps the most as far as busting a nut is a ultra thin condom (since we all use them) and a condom that is NOT a tight fit. Tight fit = no feeling and no feeling = no nut!

The Raven
06-16-09, 20:37
Viagra, Levitra or Celais

Which one do you like the best?There is an actual catagory listed for what you asked for. You might get more hits? I like Levitra.

John Dough
06-16-09, 21:09
I tried the mixture described in an earlier post of hot water, cocoa and cayenne pepper.....wow, not for the faint of heart, felt like I was sipping napalm. Kept squirting more and more honey in the mix, but it was like the cayenne was just laughing at me.

Tried the alternate mixture using ginger instead of cayenne, a little funky tasting but much more tolerable.

Oh the things we try to get mr stiffy just a little bit harder......Try adding some cream or whole milk. It will take some of the bite out of the cayenne. Another option is buy cayenne capsules and swallow them while enjoying your hot cocoa. Even the ginger is available in capsules.

Fe Maiden
06-17-09, 18:05
Viagra, Levitra or Celais..

Which one do you like the best?
Viagra or Levitra.

John Dough
06-17-09, 19:58
http://www.thehealthierlife.co.uk/natural-health-articles/mens-health/testofen-boost-libido-00481.html

A Safe And Effective Alternative To Viagra

Testofen has been formulated to contain 300mg of fenugreek extract with a 50 per cent fenuside content to help boost libido. In animal studies, Testofen has been found to be just as effective at enhancing libido as sildenafil citrate better known as Viagra. But unlike the drug it doesnt come with a long list of harmful side effects including headaches, facial flushing, dizziness, indigestion and visual disturbances.
http://www.testofen.com/

http://www.nutricraze.com/IDS-Testofen-X-p-IDS031.html
IDS Testofen X 120 Caps

John Dough
06-17-09, 20:00
http://www.ironmaglabs.com/articles_tribulus.php
Protodioscin is a phytochemical agent derived from Tribulus terrestris L plant, which has been clinically proven to improve sexual desire and enhance erection via the conversion of protodioscine to DHEA (De-Hydro-Epi-Androsterone).

http://www.tribestan.com/
Tribestan is a completely natural non-hormonal herbal (phytochemical) biostimulator derived from the plant Tribulus terrestris L., Bulgaricum, which contains predominantly saponins of furostanol type, with prevailing quantity of protodioscin (not less than 45% in Tribestan).
http://www6.netrition.com/tribestan_page.html

John Dough
06-17-09, 22:43
[QUOTE=Bigtbear]On another note, my 2 biggest problems now since I passed the 60 mark are busting a nut at all, and/or staying hard long enough to do it, since it takes forever and sometimes never. The Arginine and the P-boost take care of the staying hard for the most part, but busting the nut is never talked about much. Anyone else have that problem?Something with Swedish Flower Pollen might help.

http://www.naturalvirility.com/meraplex.html

It has also been shown to increase sexual performance by decreasing the time needed between climax, allowing you to achieve orgasm and then reach orgasm again within a short period of time.

http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=3829

Ogoplex

Mr Boombastic
06-18-09, 09:58
I have tried Viagra, both 50 & 100mg, and I prefer 100, because I can break them in two, for two 50mg. Viagra gives me the boost quicker, and over the next few hours I can dance all I want, as much as I can. That is in accordance to how fit I am for that day. I mean did I get enough sleep, had only a few drinks, if any, did not work to exhaustion, and more factors.

At first "V" gave me a supersize headache, and made me feel bug-eyed for the night, and that my nose was stopped up, but after a few times, my body got use to it, but it never went away. I can just deal with the side effects better.

Celalis did about the same thing, but just not as bad. I like the fact it last over the next two-three days, so I really only use it over the weekend, when I have a weekend guest, or I am going to several parties over the next couple of days. It has about the same side effects, but to me not nearly as strong.

As for Levitra, I have not had the chance to use it as much in order to give a real how I feel about it paragraph. I don't remember it being really any different than the other two, and basically the same side-effects to me, just about as mild as "C".

I have started taking L-Arginine, along with them, so I can again break the pills into smaller portions, and save some money over buying the pills. If you have Med Coverage you only get #XX amount of pills p/month. So you have to learn to safely combine them with other things. The Key word is "SAFELY."

The other products I have not used as John D. Posted, buy I will be investigating them, but they are a little pricey to me. Huh! Still, I am glad he is on Top of the information coming out about Sexual Performance Enhancers. Good Work, J. D.!

Not I am considering buy some of the generic Viagra, from the Ad on this Web site, below. I hope it is not BOGUS, and is something that works, just like the real thing. I have never heard of generic Viagra, so wish me Good Luck.

If it is bogus I will be back on this forum to BLAST the Hell Out of Them, and to tell everyone one "Yea or Nah."

Money is too tight to be getting Ripped-Off!

From Cincinnati, Ohio

Oh by the way. I want to Compliment and Thank everyone posting on this forum. The information on it should be a MUST Read, for members of the board whether you take the advice or not.

Keeping up on Real Male Enhancement Products, and disregreting that FAKE Ass, Smiling Bob Crap, the Govt. Sued over, is the information we need.

By the way Smiling Bob, who was the Owner of the Fake Products is doing time now in the Fed Pen. He sold the business to some family members, they changed the name, and are still selling the Fake Crap, out of the same building, somewhere in Cincinnati.


There is an actual catagory listed for what you asked for. You might get more hits? I like Levitra.

John Dough
06-18-09, 20:28
http://www.impotence-guide.com/uprima.html
Uprima (apomorphine hydrochloride) stimulates production of the brain chemical dopamine, believed to be partly responsible for initiating erections.
Viagra, Cialis, and Levitra - are PDE-5 inhibitors, which work by relaxing the smooth muscles and blood vessels in the penis.

http://www.eurodrugspharmacy.com/uprimainformation.htm
Uprima is a small tablet that dissolves quickly when placed under the tongue, typically producing an enhanced erection response in less than 15 minutes.

http://www.menspharmacy.com/erectile/product_uprima.html
1 box of Uprima 3mg US$60.00

John Dough
06-18-09, 20:48
I tried the mixture described in an earlier post of hot water, cocoa and cayenne pepper.....wow, not for the faint of heart, felt like I was sipping napalm.You can try having just the cocoa. Use a commercial hot cocoa mix and use half the amount they recommend. Add a tablespoon of baking cocoa powder. This is easy to drink. Have several cups each day. Be sure to take some earlier in the day, since it has to be digested to be effective. If you drink enough, you will still notice the effect the next day. It does not produce a strong result like drugs, but it can help. Caution: If you drink too much your skin may break out in pimples.

Some people say you will get better results with raw unprocessed cocoa, which you can buy at some health food stores.

http://ambergriscaye.com/pages/mayan/cacao.html

I have had good results with highly processed Dutch (alkalized) cocoa, which is better tasting.

John Dough
06-18-09, 21:30
The other products I have not used as John D. posted, but I will be investigating them, but they are a little pricey to me. Huh! Still, I am glad he is on Top of the information coming out about Sexual Performance Enhancers. Good Work, J. D.!Do not give up because I have not supplied you with the cheapest source. Google is your friend.

Testofen:
If you can stand the taste, or will take the time to do your own encapsulating, you can get bulk powders cheaper. Testofen 80 Grams $29.99
http://www.1fast400.com/p5954_Testofen_1Fast400.html
Testofen, 40g $18.99
http://www.amazon.com/1Fast400-Testofen-40g/dp/B001FCMF1E

Protodioscin
is a phytochemical agent derived from Tribulus terrestris L plant
Tribulus Terrestris Extract Standardized to: 40% Saponins 19% Protodioscin 90 Capsules 450mg $7.50
http://www.amazon.com/Tribulus-Terrestris-Capsules-Saponins-Testosterone/dp/B000R0DZDW/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

Icariin
It requires at least 500 milligrams of Icariin to produce a similar result to Viagra (two to three capsules = 47 to 70 cents)
http://www.barlowesherbalelixirs.com/catalog20.html
Horny Goat Weed (40% Icariin) 60 capsule bottle (1/2 gram per capsule) $13.95
http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=1644
Horny Goat Weed (20% Icariin) 100 grams $9.99

John Dough
06-18-09, 23:21
On another note, my 2 biggest problems now since I passed the 60 mark are busting a nut at all, and/or staying hard long enough to do it, since it takes forever and sometimes never. The Arginine and the P-boost take care of the staying hard for the most part, but busting the nut is never talked about much. Anyone else have that problem?http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16650
Catuaba: the draw back is that it makes you last less...i could easily last 30-40 minutes, and with this 15 minutes is the most i can last. the good thing is that my refractory period decreased drastically from about 20 minutes to less then 5 minutes!!! ..the thing is really potent...peeing is starting get be a hassle cause just by touching the penis it is getting hard....the effects were building up so dont expect the libido effect to take less then 3 weeks to kick in...

http://www.rain-tree.com/catuaba.htm

Main Uses: as an aphrodisiac and libido stimulant for males and females

http://212.204.218.231/pages/Catuaba.html

bark of Catuaba, normally prepared as a tea, has three effects: It is an immediate stimulant, giving short term relief from fatigue. At the same time it provides a 'lift' which can include mild euphoria. Longer term use, generally one week to 10 days, is said to produce erotic dreams and significantly heighten the sexual experience for both sexes. There is no reported 'come down' or side-effect, despite intensive use in Brazil for over 200 years.

Member #6272
06-19-09, 15:38
I have suffered for years with premature ejaculation. I am 47 years old and have lived with this my whole entire life. It is tremendously frustrating. Not only for me, but for my partners. I have only found one thing that helps. However, It is illegal. I can go all night long. Makes me absolutely horny as hell. Man do I love to F*ck. There is one less pleasant side effect. It's illegal and it can make you limp. Even with Viagra, no luck. When you are able to get it up there is no stopping you. You can screw all night long. Wow.

I am looking for something that raises my dopamine levels, legally and also reduce my premature ejaculation.

If anyone could help, I would greatly appreciate their advice.

Adman

Bigtbear
06-19-09, 16:49
Tried the cocoa tea and cayenne pepper mix on a field trial. Used hot water from the tap to mix the witch's brew instead of water heated through a coffee maker, chugged it without too much difficulty about 30 min before game time. I also prepped using my usual 50mg of vit V and 500mg of L'Arg under the tongue. To answer an earlier question, the L'Arg I've been using is in 500 mg caps that pull apart. Definite improvement from the cocoa and cayenne. One surprise was that I shot like a fire hose much earlier than expected. Not sure if it was a direct result of the cocoa/cayenne or if other factors were at play for the early eruption. Guess I will just have to continue testing........

Mr Boombastic
06-19-09, 18:25
If I can say it, it is like your have a pharmacy background, or something kind to one. It is becoming impressive, and I have begun keeping note, to all your information. If what you post is available over the net, and anyone can find it out, then I personally appreciate you doing the leg work, I haven't done, but should be doing. Your info is pointing me in the right direction.

I will have to do my own investigation, so I am not mixing anything with other prescription medications I might be taking. I take very few on a regular basis, but I want to avoid reactions.

All-in-All, the information is welcomed by me, and I am speaking for me alone. I am still planning on purchasing some Generic "V", to see if it is "4Real", or just a bunch of bogus crap. Anyway, I am on it, about Cheaper Ways, to get the BEST results, and the best Bang-for-the-Buck.

Keep on posting info, and anything knew, on Male Enhancement.

Oh by the way, you aren't "Smilin Bob" posting from Federal Prison are you. "Just Kidding"!

Smilin Bob would have already had these items in his formula, or "Not"?

John Dough
06-20-09, 00:08
I am looking for something that raises my dopamine levels, legally.[http://www.hghtalk.com/nutrients/benefits-of-l-dopa-and-broad-beans-in-relation-to-hgh/
L-dopa (levodopa) is an important amino acid that is the precursor of dopamine.
two good sources of L-dopa are velvet beans (Mucuna pruriens) and broad beans (also called fava beans).

http://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/dopamine_supplements.html
Dopamine Supplements provide your brain the building blocks to increase your dopamine levels naturally.


and also reduce my premature ejaculation.
Have you seen the movie "There's Something About Mary"?

http://www.truveo.com/Theres-Something-About-Mary-Hair-Gel/id/1277687964

John Dough
06-20-09, 00:47
Smilin Bob would have already had these items in his formula, or "Not"?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzyte
Enzyte is said to contain:
Tribulus terrestris (puncture vine)
Niacin
Panax ginseng
Epimedium (horny goatweed)
Avena sativa (oat)
Zinc oxide
Lepidium meyenii (maca)
Muira puama
Ginkgo biloba
L-Arginine
Saw palmetto
Yohimbe was included in the original formulation of Enzyte, produced until at least 2004

Tribulus is a know testosterone booster and source of protodioscin - thumbs up
Niacin is a fast acting vasodilator - thumbs up, however its half life is only about 45 minutes and it causes facial flushing and a prickly feeling in the skin
Panax ginseng - good general nervous system stimulant - half a thumb up
Epimedium (horny goatweed) is a source of Icariin which acts in a similar way to Viagra - two thumbs up

Avena sativa (wild oats) - more to improve the pleasure than the performance - no thumb

Zinc - read the comments in the link - no thumb

Lepidium meyenii (maca) can be a good performance enhancer if the material is of good quality - thumbs up

Muira puama is popular in Brazil as a performance enhancer and is typically used in combination with Catuaba - thumbs up

Ginkgo biloba is also a vasodilator, but more expensive than niacin, ginger and cayenne - half a thumb up.

L-Arginine is a source of nitric oxide and works well in large doses - thumbs up
Saw palmetto is good for enlarged prostates but works agains erections - thumbs down.

Yohimbe is probably the most reliable herbal performance enhancer but has dangerous side effects.

These are mostly good ingredients but they need to be taken in large quantities on a regular basis. Alternatively they could be more effective as concentrated extracts of the active ingredients. Even then you would need to take several pills a day. I think it makes more sense to focus on the most effective ingredients, find a standardized extract, and buy each one separately. Then you can test them to see if they work for you.

John Dough
06-25-09, 21:28
and also reduce my premature ejaculation.
http://www.kamarajareview.com/stop-premature-ejaculation/herbal-remedy-premature-ejaculation.php
One of the main natural ingredients which assists in stopping premature ejaculation is Ashwagandha, an Indian herbal remedy ingredient.

John Dough
06-26-09, 16:46
Waterlogging

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Waterlogging
When you have to piss so bad that you get an erection.

The discomfort of a full bladder would take away from the enjoyment. If a man were to drink a lot of water just before sex, it might take some time for the kidneys to remove it. That might give him a waterlogged erection without the discomfort.

This is the opposite of performance problems caused by alcohol and coffee, which are diuretics.

Jolly Rocks
06-27-09, 15:37
Saw palmetto is good for enlarged prostates but works agains erections - thumbs down.

.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's very interesting, I've been taking high dose of saw palmetto just as a routine supplement to prevent enlargement. Maybe not such a good idea.

Romper Room
06-30-09, 02:06
I read where L arginine ingredients cause gout. Does any one know about this. S__t I already have gout dont need the xtra pain. Just the xtra hard on.Just read your bit on the gout. No pain like it I know.

Thanks for the heads up on it.

Obitrice
06-30-09, 15:47
For the most part, l-arginine is well tolerated by most people when taken in the recommended dosage. At higher doses and for some people, l-arginine may cause nausea, abdominal pain, diarrhea, bloating, gout, a decrease in platelet count, and an increase in blood-urea-nitrogen (BUN). Allergic reactions may bring an inflammation of the airway, nasal blockage, increased pulse, choking, sweating, and redness.

http://www.webvitamins.com/Nutrient.aspx?id=46

Clinton Bush
07-04-09, 12:31
Waterlogging

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Waterlogging
When you have to piss so bad that you get an erection.

The discomfort of a full bladder would take away from the enjoyment. If a man were to drink a lot of water just before sex, it might take some time for the kidneys to remove it. That might give him a waterlogged erection without the discomfort.

This is the opposite of performance problems caused by alcohol and coffee, which are diuretics.

I got a lot harder, but I just had to piss.

Jinthewood
07-04-09, 13:58
For the most part, l-arginine is well tolerated by most people when taken in the recommended dosage. At higher doses and for some people, l-arginine may cause nausea, abdominal pain, diarrhea, bloating, gout, a decrease in platelet count, and an increase in blood-urea-nitrogen (BUN). Allergic reactions may bring an inflammation of the airway, nasal blockage, increased pulse, choking, sweating, and redness.

http://www.webvitamins.com/Nutrient.aspx?id=46

Arginine also enables the outbreak of herpes, while lysine inhibits it. Both are essential amino acids.

John Dough
07-06-09, 19:44
Saw palmetto is good for enlarged prostates but works agains erections - thumbs down.


Well, that's very interesting, I've been taking high dose of saw palmetto just as a routine supplement to prevent enlargement. Maybe not such a good idea.If the Saw Palmetto isn't causing problems for you, then don't worry about it. Otherwise you might want to consider something else. Stinging Nettle and Pygeum are testosterone boosters that are supposed to be good for the prostate. Swedish Flower Pollen enhances orgasms and is good for the prostate.

John Dough
07-08-09, 21:05
The ingredients in chocolatl are cocoa and ginger or cayenne.

The ginger and cayenne seem to have a very short time frame of effectiveness, so should be taken immediately before sex. If you hold them in your mouth (under the tongue?) you can absorb them directly. Anyone who has bitten into a hot pepper knows how quickly it makes them sweat. The sweating stops fairly quickly though.

Cocoa is effective for many hours. One day I had a cup of strong hot cocoa around noon and about nine hours later I noticed the improved erection. Another time I had cocoa before dinner and noticed the effect the next moring. I believe the active ingredient in cocoa is theobromine.

http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa090301a.htm
Theobromine is the primary methylxanthine found in products of the cocoa tree, theobroma cacao.
Theobromine relaxes smooth muscles. In the human body, theobromine levels are halved between 6-10 hours after consumption.
Theobromine has the ability to dilate blood vessels.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-000132000000000000000.html
Foods highest in Theobromine
Cocoa, dry powder, unsweetened, processed with alkali [Dutch cocoa] Theobromine: 2395mg
Cocoa, dry powder, unsweetened Theobromine: 1805mg
Baking chocolate, unsweetened, liquid Theobromine: 677mg
Baking chocolate, unsweetened, squares Theobromine: 518mg
Dairy drink mix, chocolate, reduced calorie, with aspartame, powder Theobromine: 506mg
Tea, brewed, prepared with tap water [black tea] Theobromine: 400mg

I have had the best results with Dutch cocoa. I find it takes longer to digest than ginger and cayenne, so should be taken a couple of hours ahead of time. However, I find that the two combined are even more effective. Therefore I like to have some cocoa early and then chocolatl closer to game time.

John Dough
07-08-09, 21:10
I tried some dried maca root powder. I started out with two teaspoons per day. I gradually increased it to six heaping teaspoons per day. I didn't notice any effect, not even increased energy, which it is supposed to do. Maybe I had a bad batch. Maybe I need to try a standardized extract. Anyone who has had success please report the details so I can try to re-create it.

John Dough
07-09-09, 20:40
http://www.health-n-energy.com/ARTICLES/chrysin.htm

For testosterone to produce long-lasting libido enhancing effects, it must be kept in the "free" form in the bloodstream. Bound testosterone is not able to be picked up by testosterone receptors on cell membranes. For aging men, it is desirable to suppress excess levels of SHBG and estrogen while boosting free testosterone to the level of a young man.

New research on herbal extracts have shown that more testosterone can be freed up with the use of chrysin, nettle root extract and Muira puama, assisting men with erectile dysfunction to regain some of their youth.

http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/181033500_2.html
In the 60-patient double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled, human clinical study, Testofen increased free testosterone levels among treated subjects by almost 100%, but well within human physiological limits of free testosterone for adult males.

http://www.smartbodyz.com/Super-miraforte-mira-forte-muira-puama-maca-chrysin-Dose.htm
the Life Extension Foundation sponsored clinical studies to assess the effects of specific supplements on blood levels of testosterone, estrogen, SHBG, etc.16 Based on the results of these studies, a formula called Super MiraForte was developed that combines chrysin, nettle root, muira puama, piperine, and other nutrients that showed the most potent effects in boosting free testosterone and suppressing estrogen in aging men.

John Dough
07-16-09, 19:15
http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16650
Catuaba: the draw back is that it makes you last less...i could easily last 30-40 minutes, and with this 15 minutes is the most i can last. the good thing is that my refractory period decreased drastically from about 20 minutes to less then 5 minutes!!! ..the thing is really potent...peeing is starting get be a hassle cause just by touching the penis it is getting hard....the effects were building up so dont expect the libido effect to take less then 3 weeks to kick in...

http://www.rain-tree.com/catuaba.htm

Main Uses: as an aphrodisiac and libido stimulant for males and females

http://212.204.218.231/pages/Catuaba.html

bark of Catuaba, normally prepared as a tea, has three effects: It is an immediate stimulant, giving short term relief from fatigue. At the same time it provides a 'lift' which can include mild euphoria. Longer term use, generally one week to 10 days, is said to produce erotic dreams and significantly heighten the sexual experience for both sexes. There is no reported 'come down' or side-effect, despite intensive use in Brazil for over 200 years.Perhaps these comments are relevant:

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=31844&st=90

Catuaba is working amazingly well for me. As for the libido improving effects, it seems to be working almost too well. Kind of feel like I'm going crazy at times. The mood elevating/anxiety killing/stimulant effects are pretty damn strong too.

I buy my catuaba from mountainrose.

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/bulkherb/c.html
A few pointers on how to best take this stuff...

#1 - If you can, buy catuaba in sliced form, and then powder it yourself in a grinder when you are ready to use it. The active ingridients in most herbs break down much more rapidly when they are in powdered form, so if you buy herbs that have been in powdered form for a year or two, they're probably near worthless.

#2 - When you're ready to make your catuaba tea, make sure it is POWDERED. If you are using the sliced bark, chips, or chunks, you're only going to get about 25% of the potency. Again, wait until you are ready to use your catuaba before you powder it. Maybe powder a week's worth at a time.

#3 - Brew the catuaba in HOT water, for 20-30 mins. At least 20 minutes, if you're brewing it for five minutes, you are wasting your time and money.

#4 - Drink it at least twice a day, preferably 3-4 times a day.

#5 - Use at least 2 teaspoons worth of powder for each cup of tea.

#6 - If the taste kind of makes you sick, try adding cinnamon or stevia, they both mix quite well with catuaba. You can also try holding the tea under your tongue for a second or two before you swallow, for some reason this makes it easier.

Catuaba is GOOD!

Wow. That's exactly the opposite of what I experienced from my trial of catuaba from MRH. But then, I was only eating the raw powder and not heating it into a tea. I wonder if the extracts they use have the same effect? Maybe I'll try this again in a few months.

If the actives were more bioavailable via standard oral ingestion, don't you think the indigenous peoples that used catuaba traditionally would have simply eaten it? The fact that they used a hot water infusion (tea) should not be ignored IMHO.

have been taking @1 gram of catuaba, shredded bark boiled as tea, for over a month. my own experiences mirror those of supreme dan's almost exactly-- this is a powerful substance with few side effects.

i've tried shredded catuaba bark from several sources, and the products are in my experience virtually all the same. they're all shipped from brazil. i'm assuming the species i'm drinking is Anemopaegma mirandum, since that's what mountainroseherb ships, and mrh's product looks, tastes, and smells identical to the other sources i've tried, which are simply labeled catuaba. i'm of a mind that Erythroxylum catuaba and Anemopaegma mirandum are the same thing.

John Dough
07-16-09, 19:51
Yohimbe / yohimbine is widely available but there are several, some dangerous, side effects including change in blood pressure so I don't think any medical expert would advise taking it. If you wanted it for ED then there is some sort of a health issue going on. I guess I am saying be careful and do your research.Yohimbine vs. Muira puama in the treatment of erectile dysfunction
PRO

http://www.rain-tree.com/article3.htm
Side effects often make yohimbine very difficult to utilize. Yohimbine can induce anxiety, panic attacks, and hallucinations in some individuals. Other side effects include elevations in blood pressure, and heart rate, dizziness, headache, and skin flushing.

A clinical study with 262 patients complaining of lack of sexual desire and the inability to attain or maintain an erection demonstrated Muira puama extract to be effective in many cases. These results are extremely promising and seem to indicate that Muira puama may provide better results than yohimbine without side effects.

CON

http://www.aurorahealthcare.org/yourhealth/healthgate/getcontent.asp?URLhealthgate=%22104599.html%22

One study is commonly cited as showing that muira puama is more effective for impotence than the drug yohimbine (from the herb yohimbe ). However, this study actually shows nothing at all. It was an open trial , in which all participants took muira puama. The researchers simply compared the benefits seen in this trial to the benefits seen in other trials in which people took yohimbine. To determine whether it’s more effective than yohimbine would require a double-blind study in which some people took muira puama and some took yohimbine.

The Raven
07-20-09, 18:12
I started taking some Garlic caps and it seemed to boost the levita.

John Dough
07-21-09, 22:21
I started taking some Garlic caps and it seemed to boost the levita.Garlic enhances the nervous system’s ability to react to nitric oxide, an essential step in the erection process (of a penis and/or a clitoris). Garlic is well known to assist in preventing and helping cure several medical conditions that are often the cause of erectile dysfunction, including hypertension, heart disease, and atherosclerosis.

http://www.inharmonyherbs.com/articles/95-herbal-aphrodisiacs.html
Other Herbal Aphrodisiacs - see link above

ASHWAGANDHA
CATUABA
DAMIANA
GARLIC
GINGER and CINNAMON
GINKGO
GINSENG
GOKSHURA (Tribulus terrestris)
HORNY GOAT WEED (Epimedium)
LONG JACK (tongkat ali)
MACA
KAPI KACCHU (Mucuna pruriens)
KAVA KAVA
MUIRA PUAMA
OAT (Avena sativa)
SARSAPARILLA (Smilax)
SAW PALMETTO
SHATAVARI
SHILAJIT
YOHIMBE

Bigtbear
07-22-09, 10:33
Appreciate all the information on herbs that help mr happy, uh, well, be happy.
Especially the heads up on Yohimbe, which seems to be the only one on the list that has some serious health risks associated with its use.
I have two questions:
(1) as its not practical (or advisable?) to take all these herbs every day, is there one or two that would be useful and safe to take on a daily basis?
(2) which herbs would be useful to take only on game day for that extra shot
thanks again for all the useful advise.

John Dough
07-23-09, 22:12
Appreciate all the information on herbs that help mr happy, uh, well, be happy.

Especially the heads up on Yohimbe, which seems to be the only one on the list that has some serious health risks associated with its use.

I have two questions:

(1) as its not practical (or advisable?) to take all these herbs every day, is there one or two that would be useful and safe to take on a daily basis?

(2) which herbs would be useful to take only on game day for that extra shot
thanks again for all the useful advise.(2)

Yohimbe is the herb that consistently works within a few hours. Due to the side effects it is best taken as a standardized extract of Yohimbine HCL (hydrochloride) so you know how much you are getting. Some people get the dose just right and love it. Start small and work your way up. Hopefully that way you can avoid most of the side effects. If you want to use Yohimbine HCL as a treatment for erectile dysfunction, then you will have to take 0.1 milligram per kg of body weight (0.5 mg per 10 lbs.)
http://www.sledge-hammer.us/yohimbine-hcl.html

Second choice is probably Horny Goat Weed (Epimedium) provided you get a standardized extract with 40% to 50% Icariin. The Icariin is a PDE5 inhibitor just like Viagra, but it seems to have fewer side effects. Some bodybuilders use it every day, but that might be risky for older guys. You would need at least 500mg Icariin, which would be two 500mg capsules of 50% extract.

My favorite is cocoa powder made into a drink. The effect is milder, but it works within hours, lasts all day, is inexpensive, safe and delicious.

Vasodilators like niacin, ginger and cayenne work quickly, but don't last long. Even Ginkgo only lasts a few hours.

Other tips: Avoid alcohol and coffee on game day. Get lots of sleep beforehand. Drinks lots of water. Don't eat a big meal. You will have more energy with an empty stomach.

(1)

Cinnamon didn't work for me. Neither did raw Maca root, Ginseng or Shilajit. I have recently been trying Muira Puama for a few days with no results other than insomnia. I will try later at a lower dose. I also tried Catuaba for a few days and only got a headache when I took too much. Lower dose testing required. It is supposed to take time to build in your system anyway. Damiana seems to work as a mood enhancer. These are all safe for regular consumption if you don't overdo it.

If you read product reviews on amazon or bodybuilding web sites you start to get a good idea of what works. You can also read the ingredient list for various products sold on the web. Based on that I would say that the number one favorite is Tribulus. It boosts testosterone levels when used regularly. That is a good thing for old guys, because it makes them younger from a hormonal perspective. For young guys it might accelerate the balding process. You have to take a break from using it now and then or else it stops working. Look for a standardized extract and compare brands. You are looking for saponins and protodioscine.
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/haycock/tribulus-terrestris.htm

The second favorite is Horny Goat Weed. Some people like the 50% Icariin extracts so they can just take a couple of capsules. Others like the raw herb because there are other active ingredients that they don't want to miss out on. That way they get mentally aroused, not just physically. The problem is that you don't know how much Icariin you are getting with the raw herb and you have to eat a lot of it. I think this is a personal preference issue that you have to decide for yourself. For daily use some say not to go higher than 40% Icariin in one 500mg capsule to avoid side effects. With lower extracts you will have to experiment to find the right dose.
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John Dough
07-24-09, 18:30
What are the sexual effects of choline and vitamin B5?

http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art552&zTYPE=2

The primary sexual effect of treatment with choline and vitamin B5 or B5 alone is reported to be increased endurance. “I can generally have sex for about twice as long as I can without it,” said a man in his 30s, who takes vitamin B5 by itself.

Dosage and timing
Experienced users recommend taking choline plus vitamin B5 or B5 by itself about 20 to 30 minutes before sex in order to get the full effect right from the start. But, notes one user, “Don’t worry if you start too soon, it’ll kick in as you’re going.” He adds that, “Not everybody will notice it, but if you set a clock, you’ll notice that you have the energy to go longer. Pretty much everyone I’ve told about B5 has had that effect.”

Combinations that many people have found effective include three times as much choline as B5 (for example, 500 - 1,000 mg of B5 in combination with 1,500 - 3,000 mg of choline). It is probably wise to begin with lower doses in this same ratio, and gradually increase the dose as tolerated.

John Dough
07-24-09, 18:39
At higher doses and for some people, l-arginine may cause nausea, abdominal pain, diarrhea, bloating, gout, a decrease in platelet count, and an increase in blood-urea-nitrogen (BUN). Allergic reactions may bring an inflammation of the airway, nasal blockage, increased pulse, choking, sweating, and redness.
http://www.musclemass.com/arginine-alpha-ketoglutarate.html
L-Arginine is not very suitable for use as a long term NO elevation agent due to its inherent limitations. The frequent high dosages required, unpleasant taste, stomach upset, etc. make following an effective regimen impractical, if not flat out impossible for most.

A-AKG (Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate) is not only extremely well tolerated by the body, but has such a vastly superior uptake and retention profile.

AKG is free of the negative side-effects seen with steroids, Viagra and other common drug based performance enhancers.

JforJones
07-27-09, 12:40
I tried a vitamin supplement called wow for men for the second time last night WOW! The first time ok results with a mild persistent headache, the second time a raging woody and no headache. I'm 52 yrs old and have never had a woody that hard. Ever, performance time was extended dramatically. I actually didn't finish until I wanted to. They make wow for women as well, thought about slipping the old lady some to see what happens. She would probably get the headache and it would backfire on me tho.

Mickey7
07-27-09, 20:16
I tried a vitamin supplement called wow for men for the second time last night WOW! The first time ok results with a mild persistent headache, the second time a raging woody and no headache. I'm 52 yrs old and have never had a woody that hard. Ever, performance time was extended dramatically. I actually didn't finish until I wanted to. They make wow for women as well, thought about slipping the old lady some to see what happens. She would probably get the headache and it would backfire on me tho.
Okay, where can we get it at and for how much?

John Dough
07-27-09, 22:57
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/southfacts_aee.htm
Arginine Ethyl Ester HCL (AEE) is an arginine amino acid with an ester attached. Esters are organic compounds that are formed by esterification - the reaction of carboxylic acid and alcohols.

As good as regular L-arginine is, it's inherently limited. The first of its limits are its limited absorption through the intestine. Whereas Arginine Ethyl Ester can pass through the intestine largely intact, regular L-arginine is mostly degraded in the intestine, leaving only trace amounts of the ingested dose active.

Because of the rapid breakdown of L-arginine in the intestine, its effects on N02 regulation, sexual arousal, and hemodialation are limited.
The presence of the ester not only enhances the function of arginine and overcomes its inherent limitations, but the presence of an ester and increased absorption also reduce the need for large doses.

The presence of an ester may also prolong the generation of nitric oxide and extend the benefits of arginine over a greater time period.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=918669
AEE at 1.2gms daily works better for me than 15-20gms of straight Arginine. There's no need to take it more than once a day- I could skip a day or two and still feel the effects

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John Dough
07-28-09, 19:43
Tried the cocoa tea and cayenne pepper mix on a field trial. Used hot water from the tap to mix the witch's brew instead of water heated through a coffee maker, chugged it without too much difficulty about 30 min before game time. I also prepped using my usual 50mg of vit V and 500mg of L'Arg under the tongue. To answer an earlier question, the L'Arg I've been using is in 500 mg caps that pull apart. Definite improvement from the cocoa and cayenne. One surprise was that I shot like a fire hose much earlier than expected. Not sure if it was a direct result of the cocoa/cayenne or if other factors were at play for the early eruption. Guess I will just have to continue testing........
I would appreciate an update on your testing. I never thought about arginine under the tongue. Perhaps you will find a method to make the cocoa more effective. If not, I would still like to hear about your experiences.

John Dough
07-30-09, 21:39
http://www.herbalremedies-info.com/natural-aphrodisiacs.html

Catuaba is one of those rainforest gems. It has been used for hundreds of years as an aphrodisiac for men and women, and is frequently found in libido-enhancing formulas in the U.S.

Chuchuhuasi is one of those natural aphrodisiacs that haven't gotten much press but have been around for centuries. In the Amazon rainforest it has been used to increase libido in both men and women.

Clavo Huasca is prevalently used as a natural aphrodisiac in the Peruvian medical market. One popular aphrodisiac that makes use of the herb is aptly known as “Rompe Calzon,” or “Bust Your Britches.”

Damiana has been used for centuries as a remedy for anxiety and depression, and its power as an aphrodisiac was recorded by the ancient Mayans.

Huanarpo Macho is the aphrodisiac of choice in Peru. It is widely used to restore sexual potency, for premature ejaculation, erectile dysfunction, and as a male sexual tonic.

Maca is a root that grows in the highlands of Peru. The jury is actually undecided on the specifics of how it may function as a sexual stimulant. Just a cautionary note here to counter some of the rather wild marketing claims about maca. Ultimately it is a root vegetable and main staple in the Andean diet where people consume about five pounds of it a week -- and don't spend all their time in bed.

Muira Puama is also called “potency wood” if that gives you an idea of how appreciated it is by both sexes, especially in Brazil. It works similarly to Huanarpo Macho, which is more or less the Peruvian equivalent. As well as increasing libido and potency it counteracts erectile dysfunction and premature ejaculation. Muira Puama is definitely one of the oldest and most revered, and well researched of the aphrodisiacs.

Bigtbear
07-31-09, 09:08
I would appreciate an update on your testing. I never thought about arginine under the tongue. Perhaps you will find a method to make the cocoa more effective. If not, I would still like to hear about your experiences.
I've had good success with opening up a 500mg cap of L and pouring it out under the tongue. I'll chew up a half V and add to the mix. In about 30 min the ole boy is ready to go and lasts about 2 hrs. I've done it 2 - 3 days in a row and found repeated use irritates the mouth in the area under the tongue and gums, but small price to pay!
I do 1000 mg of L daily and then add 500mg for game prep. I've read where up to 3 - 4 gm of L has been used per day, but I don't want to push it.
I've tried cocoa with cayenne, which I think helps, but cocoa alone hasn't seemed to have an impact. I've recently tried Macca and haven't noticed in differences. Also tried both red bull and a 5-hour energy boost (not at the same time!) before game time with inconsistent results. More testing needed here.
I have some Yohimbe HCL ordered to try as another game day boost, looking forward to the field trials.

John Dough
07-31-09, 12:37
I've had good success with opening up a 500mg cap of L and pouring it out under the tongue. I'll chew up a half V and add to the mix. In about 30 min the ole boy is ready to go and lasts about 2 hrs. I've done it 2 - 3 days in a row and found repeated use irritates the mouth in the area under the tongue and gums, but small price to pay!
I do 1000 mg of L daily and then add 500mg for game prep. I've read where up to 3 - 4 gm of L has been used per day, but I don't want to push it.
I've tried cocoa with cayenne, which I think helps, but cocoa alone hasn't seemed to have an impact. I've recently tried Macca and haven't noticed in differences. Also tried both red bull and a 5-hour energy boost (not at the same time!) before game time with inconsistent results. More testing needed here.
I have some Yohimbe HCL ordered to try as another game day boost, looking forward to the field trials.

I tried the L-Arginine under the tongue and didn't like the taste. I don't think I could do it regularly. I didn't have an opportunity to evaluate whether it worked. I have had limited success with taking several capsules of the L-Arginine. I think I will try the Arginine Ethyl Ester next.
http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=1838

I think the trick with the cocoa is that you have to take it a few hours ahead of time on an empty stomach. I like to have one dose before lunch and another in the late afternoon. The effect is long lasting so don't worry about taking it too early. The quality of the cocoa seems to make a difference too. I got the best results with Dutch cocoa (alkalized). With the regular product from the grocery store I have to take larger quantities (two tablespoons per drink).

From what I've read on the bodybuilding site, the energy drinks actually make things worse. For the workout products with stimulants and icariin, they say the libido effects don't kick in until the stimulants wear off. Caffeine is a vasoconstrictor. You want a vasodilator. There is a version of the 5 hour energy drink without caffeine in a blue bottle. Try that one if you can find it.
http://www.5hourenergy.com/5hrdecaf.asp
It has B vitamins and Choline, which are supposed to help.

I haven't tried Yohimbe. Some guys love it and some hate it. It seems the problem is that if you take the raw herb, you don't know how much active ingredient you are getting. It is easy to overdose, which can cause really bad side effects. The Yohimbine HCL has the amount of active ingredient stated on the label, so you can get the dosage right. Good luck. Thanks for the update.

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John Dough
08-05-09, 19:15
I'll chew up a half V and add to the mix.
I've tried cocoa with cayenne, which I think helps, but cocoa alone hasn't seemed to have an impact.
I don't use Viagra. Maybe that is why I notice the effect of the cocoa and you don't.

John Dough
08-05-09, 19:21
http://www.impotence-guide.com/uprima.html
Uprima (apomorphine hydrochloride) stimulates production of the brain chemical dopamine, believed to be partly responsible for initiating erections.
Viagra, Cialis, and Levitra - are PDE-5 inhibitors, which work by relaxing the smooth muscles and blood vessels in the penis.

http://www.eurodrugspharmacy.com/uprimainformation.htm
Uprima is a small tablet that dissolves quickly when placed under the tongue, typically producing an enhanced erection response in less than 15 minutes.

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1 box of Uprima 3mg US$60.00

This was originally used to treat Parkinson's disease. Maybe there is a cheaper generic version available.

John Dough
08-05-09, 19:55
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=17760&st=0
PT-141 - This breakthrough aphrodisiac was slowly making it's way through the stages of FDA evaluation before it went up in smoke. The FDA were "concerned" about its effects on high blood pressure or some BS, the real reason this won't see the light of day any time soon is because it has too much abuse potential. It does make you extremely horny, the only problem is sometimes the results are inconsistent for me. For example, I have sniffed some and about half an hour later it worked. Other times it did nothing until several hours later, and I would get turned on at awkward moments...a lot like puberty. It's definitely one of the best aphrodisiacs however. Am I going to tell you where to find it? Yup, it can be bought at http://www.tanningchem.com/ as a research chemical, drop them an email.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremelanotide
Originally, the peptide Melanotan II, that bremelanotide was developed from, was tested as a sunless tanning agent. In initial testing, Melanotan II did induce tanning but additionally caused sexual arousal and spontaneous erections as unexpected side effects in nine out of the ten original male volunteer test subjects. Unlike Viagra and other related medications, it does not act upon the vascular system, but directly increases sexual desire via the nervous system.

http://www.pt141.com/aphrodisiac.html
“With PT-141, you feel good, not only sexually aroused,” reported anonymous patient 007, a participant in a Phase 2 trial, “you feel younger and more energetic.” Said another patient: “It helped the libido. So you have the urge and the desire. . . . You get this humming feeling; you’re ready to take your pants off and go.” And another: “Twice me and my wife had sex twice in one night. I came in [to work] and I just raved about it: ‘Jesus, guys . . . 58 years old and you don’t do that.’ ” Tales of pharmaceutically induced sexual prowess among 58-year-olds are common enough in the age of the Little Blue Pill, but they don’t typically involve quite so urgent a repertoire of humming, throbbing, tingling, and double-dipping. Or as patient 128 put it: “My wife knows. She can tell the difference between Viagra and PT-141.”

http://www.palatin.com/products/bremelanotide.asp
Studies have demonstrated efficacy in a broad range of patients, including patients non-responsive to treatment with phosphodiesterase-5 (PDE-5) inhibitors such as sildenafil (Viagra®). Co-administration of bremelanotide with sildenafil demonstrated a synergistic effect, with enhanced response compared to only sildenafil.

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John Dough
08-06-09, 20:20
I also tried Catuaba for a few days and only got a headache when I took too much. Lower dose testing required. It is supposed to take time to build in your system anyway.
I tried taking two capsules a day of a standardized extract of Catuaba for one week. Then I took four capsules a day for the second week. I didn't notice any effects from this. I conclude that the only way to take Catuaba, based on what I have read, is to buy the raw bark, grind it yourself and boil it to make tea.

Clinton Bush
08-06-09, 21:15
I tried taking two capsules a day of a standardized extract of Catuaba for one week. Then I took four capsules a day for the second week. I didn't notice any effects from this. I conclude that the only way to take Catuaba, based on what I have read, is to buy the raw bark, grind it yourself and boil it to make tea.

You must be a chemist or at least it is obvious that you have a good science background. I'm curious, if you had to pick one NATURAL substance that your give you a hard on without a headache, what would that be?

Thanks

John Dough
08-07-09, 12:59
You must be a chemist or at least it is obvious that you have a good science background. I'm curious, if you had to pick one NATURAL substance that your give you a hard on without a headache, what would that be?

Thanks
I am still trying to answer that question for myself. First I read a lot on the internet. Then I experiment with individual ingredients and evaluate the results. Everbody is different, so what works for me might not work for you. The biggest factor to consider is age.

Young guys don't need a testosterone booster. On the bodybuilding web site I have read good comments from young guys on two items. The first is Icariin, from a 40% or 50% standardized extract of Horny Goat Weed (Epimedium). The second is Nitric Oxide boosting formulas, usually based on Arginine. I have tried L-Arginine with limited success. It seems that Arginine Ethyl Ester is the best and Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate is also fairly good. They are taking these every day for muscle building purposes and the enhanced erections seem to be a bonus.

For older guys the Icariin might be risky since it has some of the same side effects as Viagra. Who wants to risk a heart attack or stroke? The Arginine is safe but it can cause breakouts of cold sores and herpes for those who have the virus. I have not read any reports of Arginine causing headaches. I intend to try Arginine Ethyl Ester myself after I complete some other tests. This might be a good one to take on an as needed basis. Cocoa is high in arginine and that might be why it works for me. Arginine is best taken on an empty stomach and that is how cocoa works best for me.

Most older guys would be happy if they could perform more like they did when they were young. To achieve that it would be logical to try to reverse whatever has changed as they got older. The thing that changed is their hormone levels. The problem with boosting testosterone is that the body converts a portion of it into estrogen. That is why bodybuilders on steroids can start to develop breasts, or at least puffy nipples. So rather than boosting overall levels of testosterone (Tribulus, Testofen, Tongkat Ali), it might be best to reduce estrogen, which increases free testosterone.

The higher estrogen levels that older guys have can also cause swelling of the prostate gland. Unfortunately the standard herbal treatment of Saw Palmetto reduces androgen levels, which is bad for erections. There are other herbs and extracts that can reduce estrogen and may not have that adverse effect. These are Chrysin, Nettle Root, Pygeum Africanum, Muira Puama and DIM (Diindolylmethane - a phytonutrient found in Maca and cruciferous vegetables including broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower and kale). Chrysin is difficult to absorb so is combined with bioperine to aid absorption. Bioperine is considered by some to be toxic, so this tactic is questionable. DIM is also difficult to absorb but there are formulas designed to improve it.

I am currently testing Muira Puama. I tried a large dose when I first received my order and it gave me insomnia, which is a common side effect. Now I am going slow and will give it more time.

So far the best natural substance I have tried is cocoa powder. I put two tablespoons in hot water, add sweetener and drink it. I take it on an empty stomach several hours before game time. Cocoa is high in arginine but I think the theobromine might be part of the reason it works. I do not get headaches from cocoa. The effect is not as strong as I would like but it lasts up to 12 hours. I wish the forum members would try it and report their results. It would encourage me to continue posting my research results.

Clinton Bush
08-07-09, 23:27
I am still trying to answer that question for myself. First I read a lot on the internet. Then I experiment with individual ingredients and evaluate the results. Everbody is different, so what works for me might not work for you. The biggest factor to consider is age.

Young guys don't need a testosterone booster. On the bodybuilding web site I have read good comments from young guys on two items. The first is Icariin, from a 40% or 50% standardized extract of Horny Goat Weed (Epimedium). The second is Nitric Oxide boosting formulas, usually based on Arginine. I have tried L-Arginine with limited success. It seems that Arginine Ethyl Ester is the best and Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate is also fairly good. They are taking these every day for muscle building purposes and the enhanced erections seem to be a bonus.

For older guys the Icariin might be risky since it has some of the same side effects as Viagra. Who wants to risk a heart attack or stroke? The Arginine is safe but it can cause breakouts of cold sores and herpes for those who have the virus. I have not read any reports of Arginine causing headaches. I intend to try Arginine Ethyl Ester myself after I complete some other tests. This might be a good one to take on an as needed basis. Cocoa is high in arginine and that might be why it works for me. Arginine is best taken on an empty stomach and that is how cocoa works best for me.

Most older guys would be happy if they could perform more like they did when they were young. To achieve that it would be logical to try to reverse whatever has changed as they got older. The thing that changed is their hormone levels. The problem with boosting testosterone is that the body converts a portion of it into estrogen. That is why bodybuilders on steroids can start to develop breasts, or at least puffy nipples. So rather than boosting overall levels of testosterone (Tribulus, Testofen, Tongkat Ali), it might be best to reduce estrogen, which increases free testosterone.

The higher estrogen levels that older guys have can also cause swelling of the prostate gland. Unfortunately the standard herbal treatment of Saw Palmetto reduces androgen levels, which is bad for erections. There are other herbs and extracts that can reduce estrogen and may not have that adverse effect. These are Chrysin, Nettle Root, Pygeum Africanum, Muira Puama and DIM (Diindolylmethane - a phytonutrient found in Maca and cruciferous vegetables including broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower and kale). Chrysin is difficult to absorb so is combined with bioperine to aid absorption. Bioperine is considered by some to be toxic, so this tactic is questionable. DIM is also difficult to absorb but there are formulas designed to improve it.

I am currently testing Muira Puama. I tried a large dose when I first received my order and it gave me insomnia, which is a common side effect. Now I am going slow and will give it more time.

So far the best natural substance I have tried is cocoa powder. I put two tablespoons in hot water, add sweetener and drink it. I take it on an empty stomach several hours before game time. Cocoa is high in arginine but I think the theobromine might be part of the reason it works. I do not get headaches from cocoa. The effect is not as strong as I would like but it lasts up to 12 hours. I wish the forum members would try it and report their results. It would encourage me to continue posting my research results.
Thanks for the information. I'm in Central Florida where it is 95 degrees every day so it is a little hard to get excited over a cup of hot cocoa. But in the interest of research, I'll pick up a box of cocoa next time I am grocery shopping and let you know if it has any effect on me. Thanks

Bigtbear
08-09-09, 14:15
I usually don't fall for the "gimic" products lined up at C-store checkout counters, but I was looking for an energy boost without caffeine and noticed a brightly colored liquid product called Stamina Rx - sex on the beach flavor. It seemed to have a lot of positive ingredients as discussed on this forum, along with a yohimbe extract, which I've been wanting to try just for game time.
My normal routine is to take a tagamet an hour or so before game time, half a V and 500 mg of L'arginine under the tongue 30 min before game time. I also take vitamin C and 1 gm of L'arginine daily, all these have been discussed and recommended by others on this forum.
My normal routine has proven to be effective, especially after cutting out caffeine as recommneded by the prolific contributor mr dough. The Stamina Rx product definitely took me to another level, even noticed by my partners who didn't know I had changed anything in my routine.
I just obtained some Yohimbe HCL as recommended in an earlier post and will plan some field trials without the Stamina Rx. I don't know the quantity or quality of the yohimbe in stamina Rx, but I don't want to combine 2 yohimbe products at the same time.
party on fellow hobbiests!

Clinton Bush
08-09-09, 17:12
I usually don't fall for the "gimic" products lined up at C-store checkout counters, but I was looking for an energy boost without caffeine and noticed a brightly colored liquid product called Stamina Rx - sex on the beach flavor. It seemed to have a lot of positive ingredients as discussed on this forum, along with a yohimbe extract, which I've been wanting to try just for game time.
My normal routine is to take a tagamet an hour or so before game time, half a V and 500 mg of L'arginine under the tongue 30 min before game time. I also take vitamin C and 1 gm of L'arginine daily, all these have been discussed and recommended by others on this forum.
My normal routine has proven to be effective, especially after cutting out caffeine as recommneded by the prolific contributor mr dough. The Stamina Rx product definitely took me to another level, even noticed by my partners who didn't know I had changed anything in my routine.
I just obtained some Yohimbe HCL as recommended in an earlier post and will plan some field trials without the Stamina Rx. I don't know the quantity or quality of the yohimbe in stamina Rx, but I don't want to combine 2 yohimbe products at the same time.
party on fellow hobbiests!
It made me feel hot inside - not like eating hot sauce or peppers but more like after eating chile powder. I had a few upset stomach issues. I did not notice any increase in hardness or sperm output. I gave up on it after 3 days so maybe it is the case that you need to take it for 3 weeks before you can sport some wood. I don't know.

John Dough
08-10-09, 19:24
I have been taking Swedish Flower Pollen Extract for the last two weeks. It is supposed to be good for the prostate and also extends the length of a man's orgasm. I finally got the orgasm result. Wow. It seemed to last at least twice as long as usual, maybe three times as long. If I could do that every time it would be worth it. Unfortunately it has only happened once so far.

This is the one I bought
http://www.barlowesherbalelixirs.com/catalog17.html

It is also the main ingredient in Ogoplex
http://www.ogoplex.com/faq.aspx
Just take one tablet per day with juice or coffee to start seeing results. Like most ingestible supplements, ogöplex requires a build-up period before results can occur - most men see desired results within 3 weeks of taking ogöplex daily.

http://www.orderogoplex.com/
The term “ropes” refers to the number of physical ejaculatory contractions a man has during an orgasm. The more ropes, the longer and better the climax feels – add to that even more intensity, and the experience will absolutely blow you away.
Most users report an increase to 5… 10… even 15 contractions per orgasm, each one as strong and wild as the next.

John Dough
08-10-09, 20:02
I usually don't fall for the "gimic" products lined up at C-store checkout counters, but I was looking for an energy boost without caffeine and noticed a brightly colored liquid product called Stamina Rx - sex on the beach flavor. It seemed to have a lot of positive ingredients as discussed on this forum, along with a yohimbe extract, which I've been wanting to try just for game time.
My normal routine is to take a tagamet an hour or so before game time, half a V and 500 mg of L'arginine under the tongue 30 min before game time. I also take vitamin C and 1 gm of L'arginine daily, all these have been discussed and recommended by others on this forum.
My normal routine has proven to be effective, especially after cutting out caffeine as recommneded by the prolific contributor mr dough. The Stamina Rx product definitely took me to another level, even noticed by my partners who didn't know I had changed anything in my routine.
I just obtained some Yohimbe HCL as recommended in an earlier post and will plan some field trials without the Stamina Rx. I don't know the quantity or quality of the yohimbe in stamina Rx, but I don't want to combine 2 yohimbe products at the same time.
party on fellow hobbiests!
I have seen recommendations posted to use the Stamina-Rx product as a source of Yohimbe if you can't find it elsewhere. These are the ingredients of the product you mention:
http://www.hitech-pharmaceuticals.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=STAMINA%2DRX%2DSEX%2DON%2DTHE%2DBEACH%2D12&Show=ExtInfo
Filtered water, naturally sweet, natural flavors, citric acid, sodium benzoate, potassium sorbate (preservative), xanthoparmelia scabrosa extract, yohimbe alkaloids, epimedium extract, cnidium extract, gamma amino butyric acid, l-arginine, color FD&C Red #40.

http://www.hitech-pharmaceuticals.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=STAMINA%2DRX&Show=ExtInfo
Their tablet product contains 4mg. Yohimbine (HCL?) per tablet. Two tablets would be the correct dose for an average sized man.

I hope it was the Yohimbe that worked for you. This company occasionally spikes their product with Viagra-like chemicals. If you are already using Viagra, that could be unsafe.
http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm167139.htm
On May 1, 2009, Hi-Tech was notified by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) that FDA's lab analysis of one lot of Stamina-Rx samples found that the product contained the undeclared ingredient − benzamidenafil − a Phosphodiesterase Type 5 (PDE5) inhibitor.

Xanthoparmelia Scabrosa and Cnidium Monnier are not very commonly used in these "combination formulas". There is some evidence that they work, but I suspect it is the Yohimbe that worked for you.

http://www.cljhealth.com/stamina.htm
Xanthoparmelia Scabrosa induces smooth muscle relaxation to allow for increased blood flow and maximum arterial dilation.
Cnidium Monnier allows erections to be sustained longer by increasing nitric oxide release and inhibiting PDE-5.

John Dough
08-10-09, 21:57
Thanks for the information. I'm in Central Florida where it is 95 degrees every day so it is a little hard to get excited over a cup of hot cocoa. But in the interest of research, I'll pick up a box of cocoa next time I am grocery shopping and let you know if it has any effect on me. Thanks
The hot water helps it to dissolve, but in your case I suggest you put it in a blender with some ice and make a chocolate slush. You could even add a bit of milk and make a milkshake.

Clinton Bush
08-11-09, 01:47
The hot water helps it to dissolve, but in your case I suggest you put it in a blender with some ice and make a chocolate slush. You could even add a bit of milk and make a milkshake.

You seem to do a lot of testing of a variety of herbs and spices. Do you take a couple weeks to flush out the effects of one before testing the next one? In other words If you are taking (A) for two weeks then stopping to start (B) for a week, how do you know which (A) or (B) is causing your stronger erection. Or could it be that (A) and (B) do nothing individually but (A)+(B) creates a new reaction?

John Dough
08-11-09, 19:19
You seem to do a lot of testing of a variety of herbs and spices. Do you take a couple weeks to flush out the effects of one before testing the next one? In other words If you are taking (A) for two weeks then stopping to start (B) for a week, how do you know which (A) or (B) is causing your stronger erection. Or could it be that (A) and (B) do nothing individually but (A)+(B) creates a new reaction?

I usually allow only a day or two between tests. If (A) does nothing and (B) does nothing, then I don't have to worry that (A) + (B) does something.

At this particular point in time though, you may have a point. I am currently taking Swedish Flower Pollen Extract and Muira Puama at the same time. I hadn't gotten any results from the pollen until I added the Puama. However, it is supposed to take time to build in your system, so I think that is what happened. I never heard of Muira Puama giving "the ropes" effect.

My preliminary finding for Muira Puama is that I think it does something noticeable. When the pill is digested and gets in my system I get a feeling of light intoxication, like a weak alcoholic drink. It seems to make me more horny, but that might be because of all the cleavage I have seen lately due to the hot summer weather. It seems to make it easier to get an erection, but does nothing to help keep it up. I think I have had an increase in morning erections. One thing I found for sure is that if I take more than one capsule a day it makes me hungry. I wake up in the night and have to get something to eat before I can go back to sleep. I am using a 12:1 ethanol/water extract since the active ingredients in Muira Puama are not very soluble in water and are not digested in the stomach from the raw herb.
http://www.barlowesherbalelixirs.com/catalog29.html
I will continue testing with one capsule per day to see if the results change over time. My preference is for a product that helps me stay up, since getting there is not a problem. This one doesn't seem to do that yet. At least the effects I noticed started the first day I took it.

I have so far avoided taking the combination formulas so that I can identify what works and what doesn't. I think the combination formulas cannot deliver enough of each ingredient to work, unless you take many pills at a time. The exception to this is Yohimbine HCL. It is probably the only herbal extract that can work in small doses.

John Dough
08-12-09, 19:07
I have been taking Swedish Flower Pollen Extract for the last two weeks. It is supposed to be good for the prostate and also extends the length of a man's orgasm. I finally got the orgasm result. Wow. It seemed to last at least twice as long as usual, maybe three times as long. If I could do that every time it would be worth it. Unfortunately it has only happened once so far.
Oops, I did it again....
I got the extended orgasm again. This is good stuff. The question is whether it is worth taking the pollen extract every day for a short amount of more fun. If anyone is interested in reading more about this product, this site has some details (scroll about half way down the page):

http://www.therootofthematter.ca/cgi-bin/itsmy/go.exe?page=4&domain=12&webdir=therootofthematter
Introduction to Swedish Flower Pollen Extract:
This product was developed in Sweden in the mid 1960's. It consists of a unique blend of pharmaceutical-grade botanical seed extract designed to increase men's sexual vitality. Over the past several decades, it has been used by millions of men in Europe, Japan and throughout Asia for the improvement of sexual performance and recovery.

Key Benefits Provided By Swedish Flower Pollen Extract:

* More intense ejaculatory contractions due to the strengthening of the vas deferens muscle (the muscle responsible for the expulsion of semen)

* Increased volume of released ejaculate creating the "ropes" effect

* Faster recovery for second orgasms

* Improved semen quality

* More satisfying orgasms due to increased contractions and ejaculate

* Improved prostate health

* Improves Erectile Dysfunction caused by diabetes

* Sexual well being and vitality

John Dough
08-12-09, 20:31
An enlarged prostate is called Benign Prostate Hyperplasia (BPH). The common herbal treatments include Saw Palmetto and pumpkin seed oil. The active ingredient is Beta-Sitosterol. Unfortunately, this can cause undesirable side-effects.

http://prostate.emedtv.com/beta-sitosterol/beta-sitosterol-side-effects.html
Diarrhea or constipation, nausea, and indigestion are some of the bothersome but not dangerous side effects that have been reported with beta-sitosterol. Side effects may also include sexual problems, including impotence or decreased sex drive.

http://www.cockatoo.com/sawpalmetto/index.htm
Fact is that saw palmetto has, like prostate-shrinking prescription drugs, an anti-androgenic composition. For me, however, saw palmetto is a clear erection killer… or rather, after taking a recommended dosage of a standardized saw palmetto extract for a single day, an erection becomes difficult to achieve, indeed.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums/viewthread.cfm?f=6&t=18701
Stop beta-s...it`ll devastate your libido and erections

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=579763
Up to this point, the cause of BPH has been medically diagnosed as an increase in a man's DHT, a by-product, if you will, of testosterone. *However,* modern medical science has now proven that BPH is mostly caused by an increase in a man's estrogen levels.

I discovered, purely by accident, when attempting to increase my libido by taking a libido (and volume) enhancer (Paravol) that certain ingredients known for years to help with BPH *actually work!* for BPH better than anything I have used in 20 years! These ingredients are:

Chrysin Powder & Diidolylmethane (DIM) -- -- keeps testosterone from aromatizing into estradiol, the most powerful type of estrogen in men.

Chrysin is also known as 5.7 dihydroxyflavone. Another aromatase inhibitor is Calcium D-Glucarate. These ingredients are all found together in EstroBlock:
http://www.sportsnutritionglobal.com/estroblock--antiestrogenaromatase-inhibitor.html

Clinton Bush
08-12-09, 22:38
Oops, I did it again....
I got the extended orgasm again. This is good stuff. The question is whether it is worth taking the pollen extract every day for a short amount of more fun. If anyone is interested in reading more about this product, this site has some details (scroll about half way down the page):

http://www.therootofthematter.ca/cgi-bin/itsmy/go.exe?page=4&domain=12&webdir=therootofthematter
Introduction to Swedish Flower Pollen Extract:
This product was developed in Sweden in the mid 1960's. It consists of a unique blend of pharmaceutical-grade botanical seed extract designed to increase men's sexual vitality. Over the past several decades, it has been used by millions of men in Europe, Japan and throughout Asia for the improvement of sexual performance and recovery.

Key Benefits Provided By Swedish Flower Pollen Extract:

* More intense ejaculatory contractions due to the strengthening of the vas deferens muscle (the muscle responsible for the expulsion of semen)

* Increased volume of released ejaculate creating the "ropes" effect

* Faster recovery for second orgasms

* Improved semen quality

* More satisfying orgasms due to increased contractions and ejaculate

* Improved prostate health

* Improves Erectile Dysfunction caused by diabetes

* Sexual well being and vitality

Even if it doesn't do much for a guy sexually, the benefit of improved prostate health is an important one. Too many of us are prone to prostate cancer as we get older.

Bigtbear
08-13-09, 16:00
I found some horny goat weed in a tea, actually has a pretty good taste kind of like a weak green tea. Are there any other regular supplements that would work in a tea concoction that would add to the hoped for effects of horny goat week tea?
Will report on field tests, but want to give the tea a few weeks to build in the system.

John Dough
08-13-09, 20:14
For those who are interested in trying cocoa and don't know where to find Dutch cocoa, I suggest you try your local Starbucks.

http://www.starbucksstore.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=743112
Starbucks Gourmet Hot Cocoa
Indulge in a deliciously creamy, exquisitely chocolate gourmet cocoa, made from the highest quality Dutch cocoa.

You might need to have a couple of these since they are probably loaded with sugar and milk powder. Remember to take it on an empty stomach. The best way would be to have one (or two) before lunch and another in the late afternoon.

John Dough
08-13-09, 20:46
I found some horny goat weed in a tea, actually has a pretty good taste kind of like a weak green tea. Are there any other regular supplements that would work in a tea concoction that would add to the hoped for effects of horny goat week tea?
Will report on field tests, but want to give the tea a few weeks to build in the system.
Damiana is supposed to be good as a tea. It is supposed to be even better smoked. Some health food stores carry it in bulk.

http://www.xtremeherbs.com.au/herbs/damiana-50g.html
Damiana has a relaxing effect, gives a mild euphoric high and is a light aphrodisiac. Believed to be an overall body tonic, Damiana also promotes a general feeling of well-being. It has immediate pick-me-up and chillout effects. Aztecs used it to help in the bedroom, the Mayas used it for pleasure and it was drunk as a healing tea by Indians throughout South-America.

http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/damiana-p-102.html?affiliate_banner_id=1&amp;ref=284
Damiana is used as an aphrodisiac and tonic. In Mexico, women commonly drink tea of Damiana before having sexual intercourse. Damiana is known to bring strength to the nervous system and treat depression. It is a common admixture to herbal smoking blends.

Many years ago I took Damiana capsules at bedtime to induce erotic dreams. I had some success, but not consistently. At that time I didn't need any performance enhancers so I don't know if it has any boost to it.

The other item that comes to mind is Catuaba. The reviews I was able to find online suggested that this could be a good one if you buy the bulk bark, grind it in a coffee grinder and then boil it to make tea. They suggested that was the only way it would work. My trial of taking capsules of it was a failure. Some day I might try the tea. If you are interested, read the links I posted previously.

John Dough
08-13-09, 21:13
Xanthoparmelia Scabrosa and Cnidium Monnier are not very commonly used in these "combination formulas". There is some evidence that they work, but I suspect it is the Yohimbe that worked for you.

http://www.cljhealth.com/stamina.htm
Xanthoparmelia Scabrosa induces smooth muscle relaxation to allow for increased blood flow and maximum arterial dilation.
Cnidium Monnier allows erections to be sustained longer by increasing nitric oxide release and inhibiting PDE-5.

I just found this related web site. I find their analysis interesting.
http://www.warnerlaboratories.com/chemistry.htm
The MOLECULAR composition for VIAGRA® (sildenafil citrate) contains two critical components:

1) 4-Methylpiperazine and

2) Pyrazolo pyrimidinone

In the absence of these two components, VIAGRA® is rendered chemically useless!

Additionally, these two components are classified under the Federal DSHE Act and CAN be used in over-the-counter nutriceutical production!

Cyclovar utilizes xanthoparmelia scabrosa and cnidium monnier, the natural sources for 4-Methylpiperazine and Pyrazolo pyrimidin-7-1 (sildenafil citrate’s components largely responsible for PDE-5 inhibition).

John Dough
08-13-09, 21:45
I think the combination formulas cannot deliver enough of each ingredient to work, unless you take many pills at a time. The exception to this is Yohimbine HCL. It is probably the only herbal extract that can work in small doses.
I may have been wrong about that.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=583493&page=2
Ever since I first tried Yohimbe, I've known that many herbs are underestimated and some are VERY, VERY potent. Cnidium as a standalone does appear to have a noticable effect @ mg dosages, and it stacks nicely with a arginine / ornithine combo. I did have a few headaches which is somewhat unusual for me and I experienced some dizziness and some nausea. The real interesting thing here is how potent Cnidium seems to be, making it very convenient for preworkout (1 tiny pill to swallow). I hesitated to increase the dosage due mainly to the dizziness,

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=583493
I've basically eliminated the placebo effect at this point... this is the first day I noticed a very noticable difference in spontaneous erections.
Note: I've been getting about 75mg.. and this stuff has a noticable effect. I will be increasing my dosage to 100mg.
if that is really 100% Cnidium Monnier... anything above 100mg and I'll be exceeding the maximum recommended dose.

John Dough
08-14-09, 20:17
The effect I get from cocoa is longer lasting erections. I do not use Viagra, Cialis or Levitra. Men who use those products might not notice the difference that cocoa provides. I am not young anymore. I doubt cocoa would have made a noticeable difference when I was. When posting your results (for cocoa or any other product) please state whether you use V, C or L and whether you are young or old.

John Dough
08-14-09, 20:21
I found some horny goat weed in a tea, actually has a pretty good taste kind of like a weak green tea. Are there any other regular supplements that would work in a tea concoction that would add to the hoped for effects of horny goat week tea?
Will report on field tests, but want to give the tea a few weeks to build in the system.
Horny goat weed is usually standardized for Icariin, which is a PDE5 inhibitor like Viagra. The tea should provide a different result. I look forward to reading your results.

http://www.steroidonlineshop.com/y3Horny-Goat-Weed-Epimediu.html
It is interesting to note that although at least 15 fifteen active compounds have been identified in epimedium extracts, (luteolin, icariin, quercetin, and various epimedins), many supplement companies currently use alcohol extracts standardized only for high levels of icariin. The traditional use of epimedium, however, is as a hot-water decoction (tea), which would result in a very different profile of active constituents when compared to the high-icariin alcohol extracts that are more commonly used in commercial products.

John Dough
08-14-09, 20:49
Sex and Cabergoline
http://www.sexanddrugs.info/cabergoline.htm
Cabergoline is a fairly new pharmaceutical that has enormous potential to aid male stamina. Some men on cabergoline are able to have numerous multiple orgasms in rapid succession.

Cabergoline, which is marketed under the trade name of Dostinex, is used to treat Parkinson's disease. It is also sometimes used to help men with sexual dysfunction.

In one study, 60 subjects, all healthy males between the ages of 22 and 31, normally needed a break of 19 minutes between lovemaking sessions. However, after taking Cabergoline, they were able to have several orgasms within a few minutes. Medical psychologist Manfred Schedlowski, said the drug raised the libido to enable the male to orgasm again more quickly.

Bigtbear
08-15-09, 11:11
Sex and Cabergoline
http://www.sexanddrugs.info/cabergoline.htm
Cabergoline is a fairly new pharmaceutical that has enormous potential to aid male stamina. Some men on cabergoline are able to have numerous multiple orgasms in rapid succession.

Cabergoline, which is marketed under the trade name of Dostinex, is used to treat Parkinson's disease. It is also sometimes used to help men with sexual dysfunction.

In one study, 60 subjects, all healthy males between the ages of 22 and 31, normally needed a break of 19 minutes between lovemaking sessions. However, after taking Cabergoline, they were able to have several orgasms within a few minutes. Medical psychologist Manfred Schedlowski, said the drug raised the libido to enable the male to orgasm again more quickly.
I did a little research and could not find an herbal substitute for the active ingredient, so going off shore for the product may be the way to try this out?
I also could not tell if this is a regular use product that requires time to build up or if the use and effects can be dialed in to just game day.
Anything that supports multiple shots on goal is definitely worth a try.

Clinton Bush
08-15-09, 15:39
The effect I get from cocoa is longer lasting erections. I do not use Viagra, Cialis or Levitra. Men who use those products might not notice the difference that cocoa provides. I am not young anymore. I doubt cocoa would have made a noticeable difference when I was. When posting your results (for cocoa or any other product) please state whether you use V, C or L and whether you are young or old.

Tried the cocoa and it was bitter until I put some sweetener in it (I do not use sugar). So far I did not really notice any effect positive or negative. I'm an old fart and I have tried V and L in the past but don't like the headaches. I can't do the V at all because of it and the L is fine to do the deed but then I get a headache afterward.

I only tried one cup of cocoa. How much do I need to take to give it a decent trial?

John Dough
08-17-09, 19:54
Tried the cocoa and it was bitter until I put some sweetener in it (I do not use sugar). So far I did not really notice any effect positive or negative. I'm an old fart and I have tried V and L in the past but don't like the headaches. I can't do the V at all because of it and the L is fine to do the deed but then I get a headache afterward.

I only tried one cup of cocoa. How much do I need to take to give it a decent trial?
If you get good quality Dutch cocoa and mix it strong enough, one cup should do it. You have to allow a few hours for it to be digested. It does not build up in your system. It is a one shot deal for game day.

The first time I noticed the effect I had gone to a place similar to Starbucks and had a hot cocoa. That night, 9 hours later, I noticed the effect. Since then I have tried other cocoa. The amount of Theobromine varies with the quality of the product. I find the supermarket baking cocoa does not work as well. I have to take at least two tablespoons for it to work. The more I take the better it works.

Give it another try but take more this time, perhaps in separate doses at different times. The effect is mild (hence my search for other alternatives), so don't expect it to be like Viagra.

John Dough
08-17-09, 21:04
I had to give up the Muira Puama experiment since even one capsule a day was causing me to lose sleep. Fortunately my latest order arrived just in time. I wanted to try Arginine Ethyl Ester but I heard it tasted bad, so I ordered a product that is in capsules. It is a bodybuilding product that has the AEE in it and also some other things that are supposed to make it work better. Some bodybuilding products have stimulants in them since they are to be taken before a workout. I picked this product since it didn't have stimulants.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/white.html
White Blood is the most complete nitric oxide and transport enhancing formula around. It uses ethyl ester technology to enhance the delivery of the two key ingredients, arginine ethyl ester di-hcl (AEE) and ornithine ethyl ester di-hcl (OEE). The beauty of esterficiation is that less of the active material is needed to do a better job than the underlying non-esterfied compound. For instance, the average 200 pound man only needs about 1.5-1.75 grams of arginine ethyl ester. Less is needed to illicit the same or better response as larger doses of the first-generation materials. Esterfication also prolongs the effects that each of these two compounds has. White Blood's esterfied compounds work for nearly everybody, even past nitric oxide non-responders. Our tests have shown that White Blood will illicit pumps in at least 95% of the population.

I had read some reviews on this product and they sounded promising:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=856229
Noticed an EXTREME increase in libido and other very welcome sexual side effects, like being able to finish every time easily, and what looks like 300% ejaculatory volume increase-no joke.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=918669
This **** is fantastic, AEE at 1.2gms daily works better for me than 15-20gms of straight Arginine, and works just as well as white blood. Seems to have same bedroom benefits as White blood too. The first indicator that it's working, for me at least, is spontaneous erections and increased ejaculatory volume (pretty cool "side effect" if you ask me).

The first thing I noticed is that this stuff also smells bad. When I opened the bottle a horrible chemical smell was noticeable. I checked the expiry date and it looked good so I went ahead and tried it. Amino acid supplements are best taken on an empty stomach, so that is what I did. At first I tried just one capsule. It seemed to increase the hardness of my erection but didn't do anything to make it stay up. One capsule actually worked better than four capsules of L-arginine. The effect lasted about 3 hours. So far so good.

The recommended dose is: Take 3 capsules 30-45 minutes prior to your workout. If you weigh in excess of 225 pounds increase your dosage to 4 capsules. I am under 225 so I decided to jump right in and take 3 capsules. I took them on an empty stomach just before dinner. This stuff gives bad tasting burps. I was a bit concerned that the effect would wear off before I had a chance to try it out, but since I had tripled my previous dose it should last longer. About 3 hours later I had my chance to evaluate the results. It not only increased the hardness, it helped it stay up too. Hey, I think I'm on to something good.

I tried 3 capsules again and got the same results. No placebo effect here. At times the hardness was so good it was borderline painful, but just for a second or two. This is the best thing I have tried so far (haven't tried V, C or L). Since it increases nitric oxide production it should mix well with a PDE5 inhibitor like Viagra or Icariin. I did not get a headache at this dose, but I read that 3 grams can cause that to happen (6 of these capsules). Bodybuilders recommend to take this every day but I found it works great just at game time.

John Dough
08-18-09, 19:13
Tried the cocoa and it was bitter until I put some sweetener in it (I do not use sugar). So far I did not really notice any effect positive or negative.
Some products don't work for some people.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/white.html
You have tried nitric oxide products in the past and none of them worked for you, right? Well that has been one of the problems with nitric oxide supplements. They were only effective for about 50-60% of the population. 40-50% of individuals were non-responders at the recommended and affordable dosages. White Blood's esterfied compounds work for nearly everybody, even past nitric oxide non-responders. Our tests have shown that White Blood will illicit pumps in at least 95% of the population.

John Dough
08-18-09, 19:15
The best cure for premature ejaculation is previous ejaculation.

Mr Boombastic
08-18-09, 21:05
A while back I decided to take the risk and try the Generic Viagra, and the other enhancer too, and I'll be "BLANK", but it "WORKED". I thought for certain that I was going to be "Ripped-Off", and would have to post a bad report, on an advertiser for this site, but SERIOUSLY IT MUST BE THE REAL STUFF IN GENERIC VIAGRA FORM.

Now to make certain, I tried it several times, and I got the same or similar results, and near affects. There is always a slight difference, accordingly, but for the most part it was the same. I ordered the 100mg, but there was no indication on the pill itself. Generic of course! I did feel that they were not 100mg, but 50mg, because I have had both, and 100mg, dose does feel different in ones body. How your body feels and what effects you have is definite with myself.

I am not complaining, because it was a far better deal for me, than I can even get on my health plan. Plus, my health plan limits how many I can get per month. On the open street market, people want to sell Brand name Viagra at $10p/pill at 100mg. And there is no assurance of quality.

The real downside if you want to call it one, is that the order came out of India. Seriously India? Someone in India is making a great deal of money there, which means there will be more folks from India, selling generic Viagra, which at some point, of the worse can happen, whatever that is. The USA has no quality enforcement over anything coming out of India, just in the same way we are getting contaminated products from China, and what can you do.

I was rather worried about anything coming from outside the USA, much less India. But I have had no bad reactions over the use of the product, and I have used (7) pills at this time, and of the seven, I have split three in half and used them at 50mg strength. I got a decent result from that to. I am using the product as an enhancement, to make certain that if I get a decent piece I am liking, I want to "Put a Decent Hurting on that ASS, " and shorten the down time between everything.

I so far only have good things to say about the Generic "V" & "C" & "L", and the price really if right. I AM GOING TO PLACE ANOTHER ORDER! I even gave a few to a couple of friends for FREE, and they had no complaints. I told them first they were generic, so they would not get the Sugar Pill Effect. I an certain they will be placing their own orders too.

So, let me tell you if you feel bold enough, and don't mind the product coming from India, then go ahead and buy some. The deal is real, and I have not seen any problem in the security of my credit card, or I. D. As of yet, and I purchased them about a week after my last post on this forum. I was really hoping that JACKSON would not let an advertiser who will rip us off advertise on his site.

If you have any direct questions please feel free to PM me at anytime. Give me a few days to answer.

John Dough
08-19-09, 19:54
On the open street market, people want to sell Brand name Viagra at $10p/pill at 100mg.
Bulk Arginine Ethyl Ester
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=918669
This **** can be run at a HIGH dosage for 7 bucks a month. Seems to have same bedroom benefits as White blood too.

John Dough
08-21-09, 18:45
It made me feel hot inside - not like eating hot sauce or peppers but more like after eating chile powder. I had a few upset stomach issues. I did not notice any increase in hardness or sperm output. I gave up on it after 3 days so maybe it is the case that you need to take it for 3 weeks before you can sport some wood. I don't know.
From what I have read, it is supposed to work within hours of the first dose. Unless it is taken as Yohimbine HCL you don't know what you are getting, so the results can vary. Perhaps Bigtbear can tell us how his testing is going.

Bigtbear
08-21-09, 20:12
From what I have read, it is supposed to work within hours of the first dose. Unless it is taken as Yohimbine HCL you don't know what you are getting, so the results can vary. Perhaps Bigtbear can tell us how his testing is going.
I just tried some liquid yohimbe, under the tongue, no effect that I could tell. Wasn't labeled as hcl so maybe it wasn't very potent. I have also tried some hcl caps without luck. I'm reluctant to try large doses or take any yohimbe longer term.
Also tried some nitro akg since I've had good luck with L arg, but the akg didn't seem to help either. Some of the bodybuilding sites say you have to use large doses for a while, so that may be the problem. Again I don't want to load up long term.
I have some white blood coming, along with arg ethyl ester, so I'll give these a try.
I've had good luck with 500 mg caps of L arg, a couple every day and I break one open and use it under the tongue before game time. Good results.
I tried 1000 mg tablets, from the same company, but they don't seem to work as well as the caps so I'm going back to the caps.
I've been drinking horny goat weed tea for a couple of weeks and I think its helping, so I plan to continue. Good taste and easy to take, so I'm willing to keep it up even if the improvement is marginal.
My normal game day prep is to take a tagamet, half a V under the tongue along with L arg under the tongue. Works well, but the boost from the L arg seems to be a little short lived, so I'm hoping the other L arg products I mentioned above will give me a little longer support.

John Dough
08-21-09, 22:43
I just tried some liquid yohimbe, under the tongue, no effect that I could tell. Wasn't labeled as hcl so maybe it wasn't very potent. I have also tried some hcl caps without luck. I'm reluctant to try large doses or take any yohimbe longer term.
How many milligrams of the hcl did you take?



I've been drinking horny goat weed tea for a couple of weeks and I think its helping, so I plan to continue. Good taste and easy to take, so I'm willing to keep it up even if the improvement is marginal.

Is this the brand of tea you used?
http://www.vitacost.com/Triple-Leaf-Tea-Horny-Goat-Weed
It appears to be only about one quarter epimedium. I would be more interested to try 100% epimedium in a tea.

Bigtbear
08-21-09, 23:44
How many milligrams of the hcl did you take?
2.5 mg


Is this the brand of tea you used?
http://www.vitacost.com/Triple-Leaf-Tea-Horny-Goat-Weed
It appears to be only about one quarter epimedium. I would be more interested to try 100% epimedium in a tea.
yup, that's the tea. I drink 2 cups a day, but would be interested in a more potent blend if you can recommend one.

John Dough
08-24-09, 19:14
How many milligrams of the hcl did you take?

2.5 mg
Since the recommended dose for Yohimbine HCL is 0.5 mg per 10 pounds of body weight, 2.5 mg is enough for a 50 pound man. A 100 pound man would need two of those, a 150 pound man would need three, etc. I suggest you increase your dose in steps to be safe. You don't need to load up long term, just establish the correct dose for game time. The Stamina Rx pills have 4 mg per tablet and the recommended dose is two pills. I suspect their drink that you tried has the equivalent of two pills (8 mg).



yup, that's the tea. I drink 2 cups a day, but would be interested in a more potent blend if you can recommend one.
I haven't been able to find one yet.

John Dough
08-24-09, 19:47
White Blood is mostly comprised of the amino acid Arginine in ethyl ester form. Amino acids are most effective when taken on an empty stomach. That creates a higher balance of that amino acid in your system compared to the other amino acids in your food. Since my bedroom activities occur at night, I have been taking my White Blood just before dinner. The first trials went well since game time was within 3 hours of taking the capsules.

I tried taking just two capsules to see if they would work as well as three. Unfortunately, game time didn't happen until 4 hours later. I barely got any effect before it wore off. The next time I went back to three capsules, but game time didn't happen until 4.5 hours later. Same story. I think I will try upping the dose to see if that makes it last longer. This is still a big improvement over L-arginine, which sometimes is only good for 15 minutes, but not as good as 10 to 12 hours that I get from theobromine (cocoa). If you can get your timing right the White Blood is amazing.

Instead of taking it just at game time, bodybuilders suggest to take it every day, first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=918669
Take 1.2-2gms of AEE with .5-1 gram OEE in the morning, BEFORE YOU EAT-it works so much better on an empty stomach. It will take between 3 days and two weeks before you notice much. The first indicator that it's working, for me at least, is spontaneous erections
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=918669&page=2
At the 3 week mark, this stuff TRULY kicks in full force. I noticed that white blood took about 3 weeks to really start kicking me in the ass. This **** makes you a sexual tyrannosauras.

Bigtbear
08-25-09, 12:34
I've always avoided alcohol on game day and at game time to avoid impacting results of field trials. Any opinions on using a small amount of "medicinal" alcohol to pre-game? Alcohol dilates blood vessels.....would this add some boost to mr stiffy, or dull the effect we're trying to achieve.

John Dough
08-25-09, 19:55
I've always avoided alcohol on game day and at game time to avoid impacting results of field trials. Any opinions on using a small amount of "medicinal" alcohol to pre-game? Alcohol dilates blood vessels.....would this add some boost to mr stiffy, or dull the effect we're trying to achieve.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-are-the-effects-of-a
At intoxicating levels, alcohol is a vasodilator (it causes blood vessels to relax and widen), but at even higher levels, it becomes a vasoconstrictor

http://books.google.ca/books?id=Slc6gYJN49UC&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=alcohol+vasodilator+erection&source=bl&ots=8zl9tiqrNC&sig=TaJEmKFrEgPO5RfClHMdpVjkjsU&hl=en&ei=o3KUSpfuBYTYsgPN4PX-Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=alcohol%20vasodilator%20erection&f=false
Examining apomorphine-induced erections in rats shows that alcohol may interfere with dopaminergic receptor mechanisms

Why don't you try dissolving some arginine in a small shot of alcohol and put that under your tongue? It might improve the absorption.

Willy O
08-25-09, 22:49
I've always avoided alcohol on game day and at game time to avoid impacting results of field trials. Any opinions on using a small amount of "medicinal" alcohol to pre-game? Alcohol dilates blood vessels.....would this add some boost to mr stiffy, or dull the effect we're trying to achieve.
I always have a few pre-game beers and it has never hindered any activity. The activities are not with a wife or girlfriend so the brew has a calming effect that I need. There are so many factors that come into play that the effect will be different for everyone. Being at ease with the woman, whether it be alcohol induced or not, seems to be the greatest factor with me.

John Dough
08-26-09, 21:41
From the book "Natural Sex Boosters" By Ray Sahelian
http://books.google.ca/books?id=3ls82SruPiQC&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=fast+acting+sex+boosters&source=bl&ots=W8a5cJ1b81&sig=IY4sffZ3L-XqC1dYOgePCuzIIiM&hl=en&ei=4dyVSpDCKo3usQP8wYiODA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=fast%20acting%20sex%20boosters&f=false
Do not expect these products to be as powerful as Viagra. Natural sex boosters work a little slower, although they provide additional benefits such as a libido boost or an enhancement in sensation that Viagra will not.

Yohimbe is a consistently effective, quick-acting sex booster. It works within one or two hours after ingestion. The effects include enhanced sensation and longer lasting erections. The best way to find the ideal dosage for you is to start small and gradually build up until the positive effects are maximized, yet the side effects do not distract from the sexual experience.
http://www.iherb.com/Yohimbe

CDP-choline is another effective sex booster. At a dose of 500 to 750 mg the effects are noticed withing two to three hours of ingestion. Most people report enhanced sexual interest and better erections. Choline works well too, at a similar dosage.
http://www.iherb.com/CDP-Choline-Citi-Coline

DMG (Dimethylglycine), taken sublingually at a dose of 500 mg, increases skin sensation and interest in sex. The benefits are often noticed within hours. TMG also works within hours, but the full effects are noticed a day or two later.
http://www.iherb.com/DMG-N-Dimethylglycine

NADH (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide), at a dose of 5 to 10 mg, enhances sexual pleasure when taken on an empty stomach or sublingually, with a mild effect on erection. The effects may be noticed within hours, yet may still be present the next day.
http://www.iherb.com/NADH-Enada

Androstenedione, at 25 to 50 mg, may work within an hour or two. Andro enhances libido and also has a mild positive effect on erections.

DHEA, taken in a dose of 25 mg or higher, may boost sexual interest within a few hours, and continues to be effective the following day.
http://www.iherb.com/DHEA

Tongkat Ali (Long Jack) is a reliable sex herb, which may start working within several hours on a high dose of 1,000 mg of the powder or 60 mg of the 100:1 extract.
http://www.iherb.com/Long-Jack-Tongkat-Ali-Malaysian-Ginseng

Fish oil capsules usually contain DHA and EPA. After taking five to ten capsules a day before or with breakfast for several days, I realized that my interest in sex had increased and that I had more frequent spontaneous erections. The highest amount I have taken in one day is thirty capsules. On the following day, I experienced the sex-boosting effects.
http://www.iherb.com/Fish-Oil

Ashwagandha sometimes works within hours on the first day, but the effects are enhanced the second or third day of use. A dose of 1 to 2 g is effective for most people.
http://www.iherb.com/Ashwagandha

Muira Puama, at 0.5 g to 1.5 g, taken in the morning, produces a sex-boosting effect either on the first day or withing two to three days of use. I noticed I had a stronger interest in sex and more frequent sexual thoughts.
http://www.iherb.com/Muira-puama-Marapuama

Tribulus may work the first day of use, but often the effects are more pronounced after the second or third day. A dose of 1 to 3 g may be taken for several days.
http://www.iherb.com/Tribulus

5-HTP may prevent premature ejaculation if taken at a dose of 50 mg about an hour before intercourse. If taken on an empty stomach, you may notice a feeling of relaxation within an hour. Another option is to take 25 mg or 50 mg two or three times daily.
http://www.iherb.com/5-HTP

Catuaba, at a dose of 500 to 1,000 mg, taken once or twice daily, works mostly for erection or genital engorgement. The effects are best noticed by the third or fourth day of use.
http://www.iherb.com/Catuaba

Horny Goat Weed works well, and the effects are noticed on the third for fourth day of use. The suggested dose is 1 or 2 g daily.
http://www.iherb.com/Horny-Goat-Weed

Index of Herbs, Supplements, and Natural Therapies
http://www.raysahelian.com/

Passion Rx provides results that are sometimes seen within hours, but most often the benefits are noticed by the evening of the second day. Results continue to improve with use. Feedback thus far indicates more than 80% user satisfaction within a week of use and 90 percent within 2 weeks. All the ingredients in Passion Rx have been personally tested by Dr. Sahelian to assure top notch quality control.
http://www.raysahelian.com/passion.html

John Dough
08-26-09, 23:12
"Hot Plants: Nature’s Proven Sex Boosters for Men and Women" by Chris Kilham
http://www.medicinehunter.com/hot_plants.htm

1: Tongkat Ali
This root from Malaysia and throughout southeast Asia radically improves erectile function, increases testosterone, and cranks up ATP, the body’s primary energy unit. The result? Nature’s Viagra.

2: Rhodiola Rosea
Hunted in Siberia, this super root promotes energy, stamina, sexual function and libido. It reduces stress-induced chemicals, and protects both the body and mind.

3: Pausinystalia Yohimbe
The bark of this African evergreen tree yields yohimbine, a fast-acting central nervous system stimulant that increases circulation in the fine vessels of the sex organs.

4: Horny Goat Weed
The sole food of an especially horny goat of ancient legend, this Chinese leaf produces an androgen-like effect that can improve erectile function, libido and overall sexual vitality.

5: Ashwagandha
This potent Indian root has been used for at least 3,000 years, to enhance libido and sexual vitality, improve fertility and overall reproductive health, and to reduce stress.

6: Catuaba
From the steaming Brazilian Amazon, the bark of catuaba is used throughout that entire region to increase libido and sexual potency, and to restore lost vitality.

7: Zallouh
This Middle Eastern member of the parsley family grows on the vast slopes of Mount Harmoun. Extracts made from the root contain substances that dilate blood vessels and stimulate circulation, and boost sex drive while protecting cells.

8: Maca
A turnip-shaped vegetable from the mustard family found in Peru, maca contains powerful sex-enhancing substances that occur nowhere else in nature. This super food can be added to blender drinks, cookies, pancakes and other foods products. The concentrated extract will keep you energized and good to go all day long.

9: Siberian Ginseng, Red Ginseng Both plants' roots are long-heralded treasures of traditional Chinese medicine boost overall vitality, bolster the immune system, strengthen sexual vigor and improve sexual function.

10: Cacao (Chocolate)
Dark, rich chocolate gets into your brain soup and tickles your loins. It contains phenethylamine, which boosts endorphins, and increases brain levels of the feel-good chemical serotonin. Chocolate is a true love drug whose botanical name Theobroma means food of the gods.

"A man doesn't need a study to know if he's feeling amorous. There is no such thing as a placebo erection.”

John Dough
08-27-09, 22:06
I just tried some liquid yohimbe, under the tongue, no effect that I could tell. Wasn't labeled as hcl so maybe it wasn't very potent. I have also tried some hcl caps without luck. I'm reluctant to try large doses or take any yohimbe longer term.
I found a comment about Yohimbe that sounds similar to the comments I read about Catuaba.
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19673
Genuine raw Yohimbe bark, prepared yourself has a very dramatic effect... do not combine with MAOI or alchohol, or with any other stimulants. I tried lots of supposedly standardized Yohimbe extract pills to little effect, but then tried preparing my own infusion from the bark and WOW! Perhaps there are other alkaloids besides the yohimine that make it so effective, but this is extremely "exciting":

- about 1 teaspoon shaved/ground bark (avalable in fresh herb bins in some supplement, health food stores)
- 1.5 cups water
- 1g ascorbic acid (vitamin c) - vastly improves alkaloid extraction from plant material.
- bring to very slow simmer, stir continuously for about 15 mins.
- cool and strain
- sweeten and/or add some very sweet fruit juice or beverage... peach and other highly fragrant tangy things work well.. and drink the remaining 1cup of Y-Tea over the course of 15 or 20 minutes and wait for fireworks.

John Dough
08-27-09, 22:10
I did a little research and could not find an herbal substitute for the active ingredient, so going off shore for the product may be the way to try this out?
I also could not tell if this is a regular use product that requires time to build up or if the use and effects can be dialed in to just game day.
Anything that supports multiple shots on goal is definitely worth a try.
For probably the ultimate sexual stimulant see: Cabergoline
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19673

Stong direct suppressor of prolactin, which is normally released after orgasm and causes the refractory period (i.e., loss of erection and necessity of a rest period before you can go again). On Cabergoline there is ZERO refractory period, as well as larger amounts of dopamine. This seems to make most men tremendously excited, and for many they become dramatically multi-orgasmic, multi-ejaculatory, as in multiple times within a short period of time, without stopping or loosing erection. Was reading somewhere where they were discussing how in some porn movies the men seen to do this unnatural nearly superhuman multiple orgasm thing, and the answer came down to: Cabergoline. Further research verified that it can have these effects (though not in everyone).

Doses are very small... 0.5mg 2-4 times per week is what is recommended.

You can get this imported into the US without a prescription from antiaging-systems.com, who have a number of other very interesting advanced products available to the US market.

http://www.antiaging-systems.com/iasstore/acatalog/dostinex.html

John Dough
08-27-09, 22:32
http://www.ecextract.com/
Ecklonia Cava Extract (ECE) is a standardized organic complex of unique aquatic molecules that come from a specific species of brown algae that grows 100 feet under water and can be found off the coasts of Japan and Korea. It has been found to be one of the world’s most potent antioxidant – Up to 10+ times more powerful than the most potent green tea extract!

The half-life of ECE is up to 12 hours, compared to 30 minutes for water-soluble, land-based polyphenols.

ECE v.Viagra®: 8-Week Clinical Trial

Scientists studied 31 men with erectile dysfunction for over six months. For eight weeks they compared ECE to Viagra®. They looked at orgasmic function, intercourse fulfillment, erectile function, and overall fulfillment. No side effects were reported with Ecklonia Cava Extract.

ECE scored:
Orgasmic Function: 87%
Erectile Function: 66%
Intercourse Satisfaction: 74%,
Overall Satisfaction: 62%

Viagra® scored:
Orgasmic Function: 27%
Erectile Function: 66%
Intercourse Satisfaction: 44%,
Overall Satisfaction: 39%

http://www.eckloniacava.com/erectile_d.html
Ecklonia Cava can rejuvenate the vascular endothelium. They produce the chemical nitric oxide (NO), that keeps the arterial walls relaxed and dilated. After a 6 -week study of ECE, flow mediated dilation and NO mediated dilation increased by 60% and 50%. In another study, coronary artery disease patients were given ECE for six weeks. Blood flow controlled by NO increased 50-60%. These results confirm that ECE can rejuvenate damaged endothelial cells to produce NO. Interestingly, Viagra® works by increasing NO in the penile artery.

http://www.iherb.com/Allergy-Research-Group-Nutricology-FibroBoost-75-Veggie-Caps/7777?at=0
A friend has used this product rather than taking the drug Viagra. He is 74 years old and having tried this product earlier he found it worked for him and even lowered his blood pressure from 3 to 5 points.. I ordered it from iHerb because their price was lower

http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19673
I've been using Ecklonia Cava Extract (ECE) for a few months and have noticed a huge improvement in sexual performance, which was not it's main intended purpose.

http://www.chococeuticals.net/Nubian-science.html
From hard bodies to hard core science, dark chocolate and Seanol®, have collected substantive support for their physiological and psychological effects.

But, whilst many products ‘claim’ to aid sexual function, only Seanol® has undergone a human trial that demonstrated a remarkable improvement in orgasmic function and intercourse satisfaction in adition to improving erectile function. Equalling or exceeding those benefits achieved by Viagra®.

Chocolate and Seanol® share many of the same benefits, based around their antioxidant properties, making this a unique organoleptic synergism. Seanol® is many times stronger than the effective elements found in dark chocolate.

One final thought – the phenyl ethylamine in chocolate releases the same hormone as does sexual intercourse.

John Dough
08-27-09, 22:50
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butea_superba
Butea superba is an herb native to Thailand, thought by locals to be an aphrodisiac. It is abundantly distributed in the Thai deciduous forest and has been popular among Thai males for its supposed effects on rejuvenation and sexual vigor.

http://articles.webraydian.com/article149-Men_Secret_Butea_Superba.html
Researchers and acadamics confirmed that Butea Superba could induce vasodilation especially at the penis with very similar reaction as did by Viagra but smoothly and thus elevate its erectile performance. They found that Butea Superba products could be in both forms, ingest product such as a health food product and a topical application product such as a gel cosmetic product.

http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19673
I've been using Andro cream which is a topical cream that contains Butea superba a natural PDE-5 inhibitor. I can defiantly say it works. After about 2 weeks I was getting VERY hard erections. The only reason I stopped using it was because I just wasn't getting the opportunities to have sex and it was getting embarrassing getting a hardon like a 15 year-old while trying to work and deal with customers etc so I stopped using it.
http://www.androformen.com/

http://www.therootofthematter.ca/cgi-bin/itsmy/go.exe?page=50&domain=12&webdir=therootofthematter
Butea Superba Root (Red Kwao Krua)
Thailand's Herbal Solution For E.D. (Erectile Dysfunction)

http://www.ayurvediccure.com/butea_superba.htm
Butea Superba for premature ejaculation, erectile dysfunction

John Dough
08-27-09, 22:57
I did a little research and could not find an herbal substitute for the active ingredient.
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19673
There are a few things in the OTC supplement isle that also have a decent supressive effect on prolactin, nothing like the Cabergoline, but decent esp. if combined: Ginkgo, Ginseng (all, but especially Korean Red), and the stongest of these about 200mg B-6. This does work... after finding out about B6 added it to my mix and noticed definite increase in libido and performance.

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-495467.html
I bought Vitex (chasteberry) in the form of 250 mg pills. Some small evidence exists that it may help men with reduction of prolactin...a major boner killer after having sex. I bought the chasteberry thinking I might use it to reduce my refractory period so that I can have sex more often.

I first used it 225mg 2x day with meals and after the 1st 3 days had more libido than I did as a teen. Sexual thoughts were constant and erections were not only frequent but of superior quality. Semen volume even increased a bit.

However, this all seemed to subside after a few weeks. I see where it is being used in some Body Building supps (Alpha Male is one) and they recommend cycles. I could never get the groove of a good cycle.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php/t-378341.html
I am actually using nolva and clomid together just for the heck of it. Usually, when I'm on these- my erections and sex drive explodes for the first couple of days and then it quickly fades to where it was before.

Same goes for vitex. Huge increase in erections on the first few days and then fades away again... It happened with 6-oxo as well.

John Dough
08-28-09, 14:12
yup, that's the tea. I drink 2 cups a day, but would be interested in a more potent blend if you can recommend one.
From what I have read, it is best to buy whole herbs and grind them in a coffee grinder. That way they are fresher. If you buy the powder the active ingredients may degrade over time. If you just use the whole herb in tea, you won't extract as much of the active ingredients.

Mountain Rose Bulk Organic Herbs & Spices

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/bulkherb/e.php
Epimedium Leaf - Epimedium grandiflorum (horny goat weed)

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/bulkherb/d.html
Damiana Leaf - Turnera diffusa

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/bulkherb/c.html
Catuaba Bark - Trichilia catigua

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/bulkherb/y.html
Yohimbe Bark - Corynanthe yohimbe

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/bulkherb/m.html
Muira Puama Bark - Ptychopetalum olacoides

Combining these herbs and making tea out of them would be awesome.

John Dough
08-31-09, 19:24
To test my theory that Theobromine is the active ingredient in cocoa responsible for improved erections, I ordered some for testing.
http://www.barlowesherbalelixirs.com/catalog5.html

These capsules are only 300 mg each. I found that one doesn't work. Two capsules work about the same as one stong cup of quality Dutch cocoa. The best dose is three or four of these. I think if you could find a supply of 500 mg capsules, then one would be adequate and two would be good.

The elimination half life of Theobromine is 7 hours.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Theobromine
If you took twice as much as you need, 7 hours later you would still have an effective dose. If you took four times the short term requirement, it would take 7 hours to get down to double the required amount and another 7 hours to get down to the required amount (total 14 hours). This is what I like about Theobromine. It can last a long time if you take enough. It does not give me headaches or other short term discomfort.

The only downside for me is that it makes my skin break out the same as chocolate. If you are prone to that, then you might want to try something else. My conclusion is that Theobromine is a good erection booster. For those that tried cocoa without noticeable results, I suspect they didn't take enough, or else they used a low quality product with little Theobromine in it. The effect is mild, so don't expect a Viagra type reaction. It is just enough to help an old guy recover some of his lost youth.

Kemo Sabe
09-01-09, 19:00
I tried Arize about two years ago. Two capsules always worked for me but it usually took about four hours to kick in.

http://www.arize.net/

The erections were rock hard as the ad claimed. Only drawback was the stuff would get me going at some pretty awkward times.

I have tried several over the counter products sold in Walgreens and Walmart but none of them ever worked. I don't have experience with Viagra yet.

KS

John Dough
09-02-09, 20:30
Quoted from
http://www.growyoungandslim.com/articles/Mens_Health_102a.pdf

We have become the "Viagra generation", avoiding the cause of aging and treating the symptom (erectile disorder-ED) with a pill. When men use Viagra to get an erection it is without improved satisfaction. The passions and natural desire for sexual pleasure are not enhanced with Viagra in a hormone deficient man.

In a study to determine the cause of impotency in men done at UCLA it was found that the most significant association was high estrogen levels. American and European men over the age of 50 have higher estrogen levels in their blood than their wives do at the age of 50.

Calcium D-Glucurate, Quercitin (the potent antioxidant), Zinc and DIM are all known to help regain youthful testosterone and estrogen metabolism. DIM (Diindolylmenthane) and Chrysin (5, 7, dihydroxyflavone) are considered unstable and generally not absorbed well by tablet. Yet with Liposomes microencapsulating the DIM and Chrysin, they can easily absorb into the skin and circulation. It assists in eliminating damaged and mutated cells as a primary cancer defense at sex target organs (prostate). DIM and Chrysin also enhance the ratio of testosterone to estrogen for additional youthful benefits and sexual enjoyment.

June Ninth
09-09-09, 01:01
I recently tried Cialis (winning the pills in a poker game) and it gave me a huge headache, stuffed me up and caused me to come much quicker than ever before. This happened both times I took it. It cetainly did it's job, just awful side effects.

The pills came from my buddy who has a script and I think they were .10 milligrams if that makes sense. Does this happen with other brands?

I always try and look for the info before asking however I was amazed at the vast info available and had a hard time finding that.

Willy O
09-11-09, 10:57
Wondering if any one else can compare the results. I have used Manly (100 mil) cut in half and the 50 mil secure tabs and it seems the Manly works better. I have also used the Caverta from ADC with good results. I don't know if it is me or has anyone else found that the ADC products work better?

Bigtbear
09-11-09, 13:49
Wondering if any one else can compare the results. I have used Manly (100 mil) cut in half and the 50 mil secure tabs and it seems the Manly works better. I have also used the Caverta from ADC with good results. I don't know if it is me or has anyone else found that the ADC products work better?
I get excellent results from manly, just as good as the name brand stuff.

Bigtbear
09-14-09, 16:11
I've been using the sweedish flower pollen as directed for a few weeks and it seems to work as advertised. I've been shooting much bigger loads......

Confucius
09-27-09, 10:34
I have been using a supplement called "Magic For Men" for about 6 months now.
I posted a few months ago about it, and a couple of guys here got back to me and I gave them some very basic info on it on how to get it.

I told them if they go to the BIGGEST online auction house in the world, just type in the name in the search box and you will get info you need.

I have used everything, and this is by far the best stuff I have ever used. I have a friend here tht sells it and he is getting orders all over the world for this stuff, and many want to be distributors for it. It is that good.

It works for 99% of all guys who take it he says, and I truely believe him as our mutual aged, and sicker men use it and all reorder. It also works for 2-3 days and there are very few if any side effects.

I dont sell it, but just use this to guide you to the way to get a description, and a cheap way to get it. it is not in stores except Chicago and he would mail it to you if you want to buy it.

Hope this helps.

Travelrat
09-28-09, 18:32
I have been using a supplement called "Magic For Men" for about 6 months now.

I posted a few months ago about it, and a couple of guys here got back to me and I gave them some very basic info on it on how to get it.

I told them if they go to the BIGGEST online auction house in the world, just type in the name in the search box and you will get info you need.

I have used everything, and this is by far the best stuff I have ever used. I have a friend here tht sells it and he is getting orders all over the world for this stuff, and many want to be distributors for it. It is that good.

It works for 99% of all guys who take it he says, and I truely believe him as our mutual aged, and sicker men use it and all reorder. It also works for 2-3 days and there are very few if any side effects.

I dont sell it, but just use this to guide you to the way to get a description, and a cheap way to get it. it is not in stores except Chicago and he would mail it to you if you want to buy it.

Hope this helps.Are these sold retail in Chicago? Would rather pay cash from store, than buy thru auction site. Let me know.

John Dough
09-30-09, 20:36
Quoted from
http://www.growyoungandslim.com/articles/Mens_Health_102a.pdf

We have become the "Viagra generation", avoiding the cause of aging and treating the symptom (erectile disorder-ED) with a pill. When men use Viagra to get an erection it is without improved satisfaction. The passions and natural desire for sexual pleasure are not enhanced with Viagra in a hormone deficient man.

In a study to determine the cause of impotency in men done at UCLA it was found that the most significant association was high estrogen levels. American and European men over the age of 50 have higher estrogen levels in their blood than their wives do at the age of 50.

Calcium D-Glucurate, Quercitin (the potent antioxidant), Zinc and DIM are all known to help regain youthful testosterone and estrogen metabolism. DIM (Diindolylmenthane) and Chrysin (5, 7, dihydroxyflavone) are considered unstable and generally not absorbed well by tablet. Yet with Liposomes microencapsulating the DIM and Chrysin, they can easily absorb into the skin and circulation. It assists in eliminating damaged and mutated cells as a primary cancer defense at sex target organs (prostate). DIM and Chrysin also enhance the ratio of testosterone to estrogen for additional youthful benefits and sexual enjoyment.

I tried DIM and Glucarate. It didn't work for me.

John Dough
09-30-09, 20:57
I usually take ginger with cocoa and find the combination works well. I thought that ginger was only a short term help while the cocoa worked longer. Recently I tried taking ginger by itself. I put a slightly heaping teaspoon of powdered ginger in a glass of water and added sweetener. I took it about a half hour before dinner. It provided a light boost that lasted several hours. Both ginger and cocoa (theobromine) are vasodilators.

John Dough
09-30-09, 21:33
I have been taking a zinc supplement recently. After two weeks I believe I am starting to notice some improvement. I will continue and report back later. In the mean time, here is some reading material:

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/Supplements/most-important-sup.php
Zinc deficiency is one of the most common and most serious of mineral deficiencies. Whenever I test my athletes for the first time, roughly 98 percent show up as being zinc deficient.

Low zinc levels can decrease sperm output, cause testicular shrinkage, reduce testosterone, slow muscle growth, decrease immune function, cause gastrointestinal problems, slow wound healing and create problems with the skin and appetite.

http://www.actualcures.com/bph-prostate-symptoms-zinc-deficiency/
Prevent Pseudo BPH - Also Known as Zinc Deficiency

http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/23/103.cfm
The most important nutrient for overall sexual health is zinc. This trace mineral is vital for a number of functions. It enhances the production of testosterone, the male hormone that’s required for sexual development and potency.

Zinc picolinate, zinc citrate, and zinc monomethionine are the most absorbable. If you’re experiencing impotence, Dr. Kruzel says that you can take 15 to 30 milligrams of zinc daily. If you don’t see results after four to six weeks, see your doctor for a re-evaluation.

http://www.healthynewage.com/sexuality.htm
Clinical studies show that men who supplement zinc experience a dramatic increase in testosterone levels. Zinc also reduces the pituitary's formation of prolactin, a hormone that stops testosterone production.

Member #4236
09-30-09, 22:10
My particular problem isn't so much performance as it is lack of libido (sexual interest). I'm 50, and in the last few years I've noticed a gradual decline in my libido, to where I sometimes go days with literally zero sexual interest. I suspect my main problem is lack of testosterone, and I'm seriously considering seeing a local doctor who prescribes test (these doctors exist but are hard to find; forget about going to a regular endocrinologist or urologist to get test unless your test levels are extremely low. The old line about testosterone supplements is that they will cause prostate cancer, but this is looking less true with more research. If your doctor has said you have low testosterone and are a candidate for hormonal supplements, I'd strongly suggest taking advantage of it even though it may be somewhat expensive. I have a friend who had testicular cancer, had his balls removed, and as a result his testosterone reading were near zero. This caused him severe depression, lack of energy, no libido whatsoever and turned him into a skinny runt. After 6 months of getting testosterone from his doctor he looks and feels like a completely different person. He's in his late 50s and says he feels like he's 15, depression is totally gone, etc.

In any case, I did some research on supplements that are supposed to boost testosterone and bought the following about 2 weeks ago. I've noticed a marked improvement in my libido and also performance.

Once a day:

TRIBEST 750mg (tribulus)

DHEA 50mg

L-AGRININE & L-ORNITHINE COMPLEX

ZINC PICOLINATE 30mg

3x day:

ACETYL L-CARNITINE 500mg

Travelrat
10-01-09, 13:40
I get excellent results from manly, just as good as the name brand stuff.I've now used the Manly and the Secure Tabs. Personal experience is the Manly has a little more kick. For me, 1/2 tab of Manly is enough. Need the entire tab with Secure tabs.

John Dough
10-01-09, 20:26
My particular problem isn't so much performance as it is lack of libido (sexual interest). I'm 50, and in the last few years I've noticed a gradual decline in my libido, to where I sometimes go days with literally zero sexual interest. I suspect my main problem is lack of testosterone, and I'm seriously considering seeing a local doctor who prescribes test (these doctors exist but are hard to find; forget about going to a regular endocrinologist or urologist to get test unless your test levels are extremely low. The old line about testosterone supplements is that they will cause prostate cancer, but this is looking less true with more research. If your doctor has said you have low testosterone and are a candidate for hormonal supplements, I'd strongly suggest taking advantage of it even though it may be somewhat expensive. I have a friend who had testicular cancer, had his balls removed, and as a result his testosterone reading were near zero. This caused him severe depression, lack of energy, no libido whatsoever and turned him into a skinny runt. After 6 months of getting testosterone from his doctor he looks and feels like a completely different person. He's in his late 50s and says he feels like he's 15, depression is totally gone, etc.

In any case, I did some research on supplements that are supposed to boost testosterone and bought the following about 2 weeks ago. I've noticed a marked improvement in my libido and also performance.

Once a day:

TRIBEST 750mg (tribulus)

DHEA 50mg

L-AGRININE & L-ORNITHINE COMPLEX

ZINC PICOLINATE 30mg

3x day:

ACETYL L-CARNITINE 500mg
My experience with arginine is it improves performance only, not libido. Zinc seems to be increasing performance but not libido so far.

Muira Puama increased my libido but not performance. It was actually a bit annoying since I was unable to satisfy my increased desire.

Another product that is supposed to increase sexual desire and testosterone is Tongkat Ali, also called Longjack and Eurycoma Longifolia.

http://www.ironmaglabs.com/articles_tongkat.php
Tongkat ali is one of the most widely used herbal medication in Southeast Asia, primarily because of its power to enhance libido and sexual function. Apart from yohimbe, tongkat ali is the only herbal medication that has been scientifically proven to work as an aphrodisiac.

Randumb6
10-02-09, 13:05
I have been using a supplement called "Magic For Men" for about 6 months now.
I posted a few months ago about it, and a couple of guys here got back to me and I gave them some very basic info on it on how to get it.

I told them if they go to the BIGGEST online auction house in the world, just type in the name in the search box and you will get info you need.

I have used everything, and this is by far the best stuff I have ever used. I have a friend here tht sells it and he is getting orders all over the world for this stuff, and many want to be distributors for it. It is that good.

It works for 99% of all guys who take it he says, and I truely believe him as our mutual aged, and sicker men use it and all reorder. It also works for 2-3 days and there are very few if any side effects.

I dont sell it, but just use this to guide you to the way to get a description, and a cheap way to get it. it is not in stores except Chicago and he would mail it to you if you want to buy it.

Hope this helps.

I'll vouch - only thing I had found that worked like this is p-boost, I can't find a link between the two as far as ingredients - my guess was going to be some high levels of icariin - but no idea.

I take other stuff for weight lifting/performance - but if you know you are getting ready to get laid, this will raise the flag pole - stopped up nose a little in the first hour or so after taking, but had this with p-boost first time.

There is no warning about how long to have an empty stomach before taking, but I always try to make sure and not eat anything 5-6 hours before - only had failures with p-boost a couple times and it was always food related (I think). Alcohol appears to be no problem as I was hammered for my trial run on this stuff.

Jolly Rocks
10-02-09, 14:42
[QUOTE=Randumb6]I'll vouch - only thing I had found that worked like this is p-boost, I can't find a link between the two as far as ingredients - my guess was going to be some high levels of icariin - but no idea.


Just an fyi, p-boost and naturect are exactly the same product, same bottle, same pills, just a different name, and I had good results with both.

Boston Ampfan
10-02-09, 16:26
I tried Viagra in the past, had the same problems that you have reported with Cialis, stuffy nose w/ headache. I switched over to Cialis a few months ago, and after some experimentation concluded that about 5 MG is a perfect dose for me -- all of the desired effects, plus an even better, more intense, finish that usual. Oddly enough, with 10 MG, it seems that I peak two or three times during HR but cannot finish. Cut the dose and all seems to be well. BTW, I also tried Levitra, but that had absolutely no effect on me!



I recently tried Cialis (winning the pills in a poker game) and it gave me a huge headache, stuffed me up and caused me to come much quicker than ever before. This happened both times I took it. It cetainly did it's job, just awful side effects.

The pills came from my buddy who has a script and I think they were .10 milligrams if that makes sense. Does this happen with other brands?

I always try and look for the info before asking however I was amazed at the vast info available and had a hard time finding that.

Patbutter
10-02-09, 20:47
My particular problem isn't so much performance as it is lack of libido (sexual interest). I'm 50, and in the last few years I've noticed a gradual decline in my libido, to where I sometimes go days with literally zero sexual interest. I suspect my main problem is lack of testosterone, and I'm seriously considering seeing a local doctor who prescribes test (these doctors exist but are hard to find; forget about going to a regular endocrinologist or urologist to get test unless your test levels are extremely low. The old line about testosterone supplements is that they will cause prostate cancer, but this is looking less true with more research. If your doctor has said you have low testosterone and are a candidate for hormonal supplements, I'd strongly suggest taking advantage of it even though it may be somewhat expensive. I have a friend who had testicular cancer, had his balls removed, and as a result his testosterone reading were near zero. This caused him severe depression, lack of energy, no libido whatsoever and turned him into a skinny runt. After 6 months of getting testosterone from his doctor he looks and feels like a completely different person. He's in his late 50s and says he feels like he's 15, depression is totally gone, etc.

In any case, I did some research on supplements that are supposed to boost testosterone and bought the following about 2 weeks ago. I've noticed a marked improvement in my libido and also performance.

Once a day:

TRIBEST 750mg (tribulus)

DHEA 50mg

L-AGRININE & L-ORNITHINE COMPLEX

ZINC PICOLINATE 30mg

3x day:

ACETYL L-CARNITINE 500mg

After you started taking this regimen?

Member #4236
10-05-09, 23:31
After you started taking this regimen? I started noticing a definite upturn in my libido after about a week on these supplements. It has continued.

I've also noticed that as I've gotten older, my libido tends to swing from relatively normal levels to levels where I go days with no sexual interest. It could be that I'm just in the upward swing where my libido is in the normal level, and the supplements are just a placebo. But at this point I don't think so.

I'm also lifting weights now (proven to boost testosterone levels), that may also be a factor in my improvement.

Sometimes I hear stuff about how getting older is wonderful because the passions of youth have slackened. I guess this is true to a point, but to have no sexual desire is, to me, not a pleasant state to be in. I'd rather have the misery of horniness than the feel like a eunuch.

Confucius
10-07-09, 10:51
I'll vouch - only thing I had found that worked like this is p-boost, I can't find a link between the two as far as ingredients - my guess was going to be some high levels of icariin - but no idea.

I take other stuff for weight lifting/performance - but if you know you are getting ready to get laid, this will raise the flag pole - stopped up nose a little in the first hour or so after taking, but had this with p-boost first time.

There is no warning about how long to have an empty stomach before taking, but I always try to make sure and not eat anything 5-6 hours before - only had failures with p-boost a couple times and it was always food related (I think). Alcohol appears to be no problem as I was hammered for my trial run on this stuff.I take the "Magic For Men" with or without food. It does work faster with an empty stomach, but with food it is still good within the hour for me.

I take it before braekfast or lunch and it stays with me for 3 days, a good 3 days. Another friend who is 59 breaks it in half and takes half of the product and is good for 3 days also.

It does work with booze too, very good.

Double Nickle
10-08-09, 17:43
I was in Montreal after a cruise and my plan was to see a provider for my first time ever getting my rocks off in Canada. For this special occasion I decided to spring for a performance enhancer. I went into the Erotika sex shop on the infamous (as a red light district) St. Catherine's Street. They had some products in a locked glass cabinet. Some of them looked promising, but I could not be sure. I talked to the clerks and asked if they had Aziffa I told them that I knew well that it worked. I said I wanted something natural, just herbs. They had heard of Aziffa but apparently didn't have any. But they said that these Stiffnights tablets were the same as Aziffa. One clerk said he had tried them and they were too strong - he had to cut them in half. So I sprang for 2 tablets at $29.99 plus tax. Yes, they worked very well. See my Montreal report. I got stiff in the pre massage shower and performed so well that Jennie said I was "number one." Thanks to the Stiffnight tablet. I used the other tablet in New York with a new fill-in for my regular masseuse. I got hard as soon as I undressed and performed like a porn star. I even spurted in the air at the end, which I haven't done in many years without a performance enhancer.

The directions are: "As a dietary supplement, take ONLY ONE capsule on an empty stomach. Stiff Nights works in as little as 25 minutes, and typically lasts for 48-72 hours. Effects are normally active only when physically stimulated. Take a maximum of 1 capsule per 36 hours. Less than 5 % of users report headaches. Headaches typically occur because the dosage was too high. ONLY if a headache occurs, on subsequent doses, cut pill in half."

The precautions say "Use only as directed. For Adult Male use only. Do NOT take this product if you have a seriousmedical condition or use prescription medications, especially if they contain nitrates, such as nitroglycerin."

"In the rare event that an erection persists longer than 4 hours, seek medical assistance immediately."

Stiff Nights shares at least the active ingredients Tunera or Turnera Aphrodisiaca, Cayenne, White Willow Bark, and Gingko Leaf with Aziffa. Some of the Chinese herbs present in Aziffa might be here as well under English or Scientific names. Other ingedients are surely unique to Stiffnights. It appears to have a dot com so perhaps you can find out more/order online.

Addendum. Yes the website gives more info and you can order online. The list of ingredients is somewhat different on the website, perhaps because Chinese rather than English or scientific names are used. The following ingredients as listed on the website are also common to Aziffa: Yi Ye Cao, Huang Jing, Rou Gui, Sheng Jiang, Bo He, Huang Qi, Wu Wu Zi, and Hui Ziao Zi or Hui Jao Zi. Sometime when I have some extra dough to play around with I'll have to go to one of the numerous herbalists in Chinatown and see what I can get.

Double Nickle

Double Nickle
10-10-09, 17:21
I found the equivalent names for all but one of the Chinese herbs listed as active ingredients in both Aziffa and Stiff Nights:

Bo He = Mint (latin, Mentha)
Huang Jing = Polygonatum or Polygonati
Huang Qi = Astragalus Root
Hui Ziao Zi = Pagoda Tree Fruit
Rou Gui = Cinnamon Bark (latin, Cinnamoni cassiae)
Sheng Jiang = Ginger
Wu Wu Zi = Schisandra Berry

I did not find the equivalent of Yi Ye Cao, but would be very interested if any reader could supply it. Two more of the active ingredients common to Aziffa and Stiff Nights, listed by their English names, also have Chinese herbal names:

Bai Guo = Gingko biloba
La Jiao = Cayenne

Other active ingredients of Stiff Nights also have Chinese herbal names:

Gan/Chen Pi = Orange (peel) (latin, Citrus)
Hei Mu Er = Auricularia auricula
Ling Zhi = Ganoderma lucidum
Mai Ya = Barley Grass (latin, Hordeum)
Ou Mao Gen = Wheat Grass (latin, Agropyrum)
Pu Gong Ying = Dandelion (latin, Taraxacum)

Double Nickle

Double Nickle
10-12-09, 14:31
I just saw a list of the above online, apparently associated with Men's Health Magazine. These top 10 were out of "hundreds...presently being offerred...." The ratings were:

1. Irexis
2. VigRx
3 Vimax
4. Maxoderm (a cream, not pills)
5. Magna-Rx Plus
6. Natural Gain
7. Endowmax
8. Orexis
9. Enzyte
10. Extenze.

Irexis has Yohimbe which apparently is great for your dick but probably bad for your liver. Most if not all of these seem to promise a permanently enlarged penis if taken daily for 3 months to a year. Perhaps most or all of them will also ensure you will be able to get it up for your partner within about 25 to 45 minutes, 60 seconds in the case of Maxoderm. A bottle typically seems to have 30 pills for about $60.

Double Nickle

Double Nickle
10-12-09, 14:41
I saw this list online from someone who seems to know what he's talking about. The rankings minus his useful commentary are:

1. Gingko biloba leaf
2. Horny Goat Weed or Epimedium Leaf Extract or Yin Yang Huo
3. Hawthorn Berry
4. Saw Palmetto Berry
5. Catuaba Bark Extract
6. Muira Puama Bark Extract
7. Cuscuta Seed Extract
8. Asian Ginseng
9. Tribulus terrestris
10. Damiana

He stresses that these 10 are considered safe, unlike Yohimbe, which may enhance sexual performance but has been associated with liver damage.

Double Nickle

Patbutter
10-13-09, 22:23
I started noticing a definite upturn in my libido after about a week on these supplements. It has continued.

I've also noticed that as I've gotten older, my libido tends to swing from relatively normal levels to levels where I go days with no sexual interest. It could be that I'm just in the upward swing where my libido is in the normal level, and the supplements are just a placebo. But at this point I don't think so.

I'm also lifting weights now (proven to boost testosterone levels), that may also be a factor in my improvement.

Sometimes I hear stuff about how getting older is wonderful because the passions of youth have slackened. I guess this is true to a point, but to have no sexual desire is, to me, not a pleasant state to be in. I'd rather have the misery of horniness than the feel like a eunuch.

I feel the same way about my declining libido. Especially when I am travelling in Thailand, Indonesia, Brazil etc - I'd like to be horny all the time to take advantage of the inexpensive female entertainment.

I've been on Tribulus and Chrysin for about 5 days and am not noticing much effect. When I go to Thailand, I pick up some Procomil (unavailable in USA) which contains methyltestosterone and seems to boost my libido within hours. I would be uncomfortable with taking it regularly as testosterone may increase the risk of prostate cancer

Drsmooth1
10-15-09, 15:03
I was reading reviews on one of the auction sites (A), including some of which were mentioned here but Extenzite, not Extenze, had some great reviews as well and I'm curious if anyone has used it?

Member #4236
10-18-09, 14:07
I was reading reviews on one of the auction sites (A), including some of which were mentioned here but Extenzite, not Extenze, had some great reviews as well and I'm curious if anyone has used it?

I haven't used Extenzite, but just read an article in GQ about the famous ENZYTE. Anyone with a TV knows what ENZYTE is, but do they know that that the founder of this male enhancement biz is now serving a long stretch (no pun int) in federal prison?

http://climaxwell.********.com/2009/09/prison-interview-with-enzites-founder.html

Maybe Enzyte and like products work for some, but watch your credit card statements carefully when dealing with these companies.

Member #4236
10-18-09, 14:37
I feel the same way about my declining libido. Especially when I am travelling in Thailand, Indonesia, Brazil etc - I'd like to be horny all the time to take advantage of the inexpensive female entertainment.

I've been on Tribulus and Chrysin for about 5 days and am not noticing much effect. When I go to Thailand, I pick up some Procomil (unavailable in USA) which contains methyltestosterone and seems to boost my libido within hours. I would be uncomfortable with taking it regularly as testosterone may increase the risk of prostate cancer

I just googled procomil for more info. Found out that procomil and yohimbe are one and the same thing. Yohimbe is one libido enhancer that I will not take, as I may have kidney issues and I don't want to ingest anything that attacks the kidneys or raises blood pressure.

I just returned from the store with another purchase of l arginine and l carnatine. I'm sticking with the supplement program I posted a month or so back, as I'm still seeing better than expected results in my libido. Of course it could be one supplement doing the trick, or all of them, or maybe none of them and the improvement is due to my eating more protein, lifting weights and drinking more water. But I'm not going to mess with success. And I'm still considering seeing a doctor to get testosterone.

On testosterone and prostate cancer: again, it may well be that the risks of testosterone supplements to one's health are less than what is commonly believed. And what's more, I have a doctor friend, an oncologist, who told me that prostate cancer is inevitable (if one lives long enough!). As he put it, "every man will get prostate cancer if he lives to be 100, and every woman will get breast cancer if she lives to be 100. These cancers are mainly genetic in origin for most people." Of course, getting these kinds of cancer in very old age isn't that a big deal, relatively speaking, as they tend to grow very slowly. Given all that, I'm all for increasing my testosterone to high (but reasonable) levels to enjoy increased libido and also many other health benefits.

Fbtom
10-20-09, 00:42
Once a day:

TRIBEST 750mg (tribulus)

DHEA 50mg

L-AGRININE & L-ORNITHINE COMPLEX

ZINC PICOLINATE 30mg

3x day:

ACETYL L-CARNITINE 500mg


How much of the "L-AGRININE & L-ORNITHINE COMPLEX" do you take?

Would "L-CARNITINE" work as well as "ACETYL L-CARNITINE"?

Would adding other enhancers help or interfere, such as long jax?

Fbtom
10-20-09, 01:05
For me, I have found that if I were to get two nights of really good sleep, my response time and intensity are much better on the third day. I'm talking about 8 hours min. each night. I noticed that if I had even one bad night of less than 6 hours sleep, the response is greatly diminished. It is even worse if I had less than 6 hours of sleep.

Some might want to consider this as an option if you hadn't done so yet. Best of all, it is free!

Member #4236
10-20-09, 13:43
How much of the "L-AGRININE & L-ORNITHINE COMPLEX" do you take?

Would "L-CARNITINE" work as well as "ACETYL L-CARNITINE"?

Would adding other enhancers help or interfere, such as long jax?

Don't knowif L carnatine is much different from acetyl l carnatine. This brainiac might offer some light on the subject:

http://juvenon.com/jhj/vol2no05.htm

Can't say how these supplements interact with other things, though I did see a doc recently and he said these supplements are safe to take at these doses. The only thing that might be unsafe is the DHEA, as some people have a reaction to it in high doses (much higher than what I'm taking). Google DHEA for more info.

Fbtom
10-20-09, 23:33
Jaydating....

How much of the "L-AGRININE & L-ORNITHINE COMPLEX" do you take?

I bought this and am taking the two capsules:

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-1108

Is this the same as what you are recommending?

Thanks for the link, interesting read! Now that I understand the difference, I'm glad I chose what you recommended.

Member #4236
10-21-09, 21:13
I'm going to repost what I'm taking with some corrections -- I didn't see that I could actually be taking more of some of these supplements, according to what's written on the bottle. I buy these supplements at Jimbo's or Whole Foods, usually their store brand which is probably as good as anybody else's stuff, at least as far as i can tell.

DHEA 50 MG ...................... 1 capsule in the morning

ZINC PICOLINATE 30 MG .... 1 capsule daily with meals

TRIBEST 750 MG ................ 2 capsules daily with meals

L ARGININE 500MG & L ORNITHINE 250 MG COMPLEX
....................................... 1 - 3 capsules daily between meals

ACETYLE L CARNITINE 500 MG
....................................... 1 - 4 capsules daily between meals

This is what the pill bottles suggest to do and I've been doing the last month and a half, with a definite increase in libido and no ill effects (though just by sheer coincidence, the night after I started taking these pills I woke up at 2 a.m. with severe back pain and nausea, and even had to go to the ER. I thought I was having a major reaction to these supplements and was perhaps dying...turned out I had a kidney stone, which had nothing whatever to do with these pills. Btw, my sincere thanks to whoever invented morphine.)

Fbtom
10-22-09, 01:09
Thanks Jaydating for the details. I am taking similar quantities, but I altered your formula a little for my usage.

I woke up with rock hard wood for the first time in years!
Also, just walking seems to stimulate jr. Seems to respond quicker and harder than without these items. I'm not suggesting that this is a cure all for everyone, but it seems to be working for me.

So far, I'm happy with the good results! Slight side effects such as an upset stomach. This might have to do with timing with meals. After three days on these items, my head is sometimes blue with a definite firmness throughout that I hadn't had in a while. It looks similar to when your on the way to pop, such as the pre-cum state. Is this anything to be concerned about? This is without any sexual stimulus.

This shit adds up quickly though. I went to a local RETAIL vitamin shop. They had all that I was looking for, but at a premium. So thanks for the recommended stores to check out.

Fbtom
10-24-09, 08:44
I couldn't hold off any longer! After five days, I was just too horny to abstain from sex any longer. My mate was so tired at 3am, but what a trooper, let me bang her anyways.

I previously mentioned that lack of sleep effects my stiffness, well not last night! Blew a huge load all over her ass. This was more than normal quantity for me. Also, I was still so horny and stiff, that I had to relieve myself again about ten minutes later. Seemed insatiable, although with reduced intensity, I didn't lose my hard on after the first orgasm.

So far I'm liking the results. Sorry no pics, she won't let me take any when she is that tired. Now my junior is still pretty sensitive.

I can only imagine the results if I were to take better products. Probably too expensive for me.

R Shugart
11-03-09, 16:37
I am not a nutritional expert by any means, but I do take the GNC Mega Man multivitamin and it has 2000mg of L Arginine in it so I am guessing 500mg might be on the low end of what should be taken. Plus the guy at GNC told me he takes 2 grams a day. He also told me that it is something to take daily. He said every day for two weeks and you will start to notice a significant difference. Hope this helps.Well i take 5-10g of Arginine that because i lift weights plus horney goat weed and yohimbe only thing is i walk around with a boner all the time.

Fbtom
11-04-09, 09:50
Well i take 5-10g of Arginine that because i lift weights plus horney goat weed and yohimbe only thing is i walk around with a boner all the time.

I met someone on a different forum that takes about 12 g a day. He too is trying to get ripped. So I guess we can take more, but how much is too much?

The Raven
11-04-09, 21:24
I've tried taking 1G of Arginine with my V or L and noticed I can take half of the V or L and get decent results for 61 yo plus save a dime. Anybody else tried this with anything else?

Fbtom
11-06-09, 02:38
I've tried taking 1G of Arginine with my V or L and noticed I can take half of the V or L and get decent results for 61 yo plus save a dime. Anybody else tried this with anything else?

Interesting usage!

Fbtom
11-07-09, 20:44
Added yohimbe to my mix for my Camden trip. Even though it might not be the highest of grade, Wow, it does indeed have an effect!

Due to my concerns of side effects, I'll just use it as a prep for a planned trip.

John Dough
11-10-09, 21:37
Grapefruit juice nighttime erections
http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/grapefruit-juice-nighttime-erections-134263176.html
Before going to bed I usually snack on half a cup of unsalted peanuts and cashews. Several weeks ago I started drinking diluted grapefruit juice and water to wash down the cashews. Strange thing. I started getting solid morning wood. Now, if I stop drinking the grapefruit juice, the wood is less pronounced or non existent.
I've noticed spontaneous erections not long after eating muesli (containing some peanuts) - might be due to the proclaimed effect of L-arginine which peanuts are high in.
Another way of increasing nitric oxide in the body is to prevent its rapid degradation by oxygen radicals. Pomegranate and a superoxide dismutase (SOD)-enhancing nutrient called GliSODin® have been shown to favorably affect nitric oxide activity. In a preliminary study, men with mild-to-moderate erectile dysfunction experienced modest improvements after only four weeks of consuming pomegranate juice each day. This effect is dramatically less pronounced than that produced by the common beverage grapefruit juice.

L-arginine: food sources (grams /100 gram of food)
http://www.dietaryfiberfood.com/larginine-high.php
Peanuts, Spanish 3.13
Peanuts 3.09
Almond nuts 2.47
Seeds, sunflower seed kernels, dried 2.40
Walnuts, English 2.28
Hazelnuts 2.21
Lentils, raw 2.17
Brazilnuts 2.15
Cashew nuts 2.12

Willy O
11-10-09, 23:11
Grapefruit juice nighttime erections
http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/grapefruit-juice-nighttime-erections-134263176.html
Before going to bed I usually snack on half a cup of unsalted peanuts and cashews. Several weeks ago I started drinking diluted grapefruit juice and water to wash down the cashews. Strange thing. I started getting solid morning wood. Now, if I stop drinking the grapefruit juice, the wood is less pronounced or non existent.
I've noticed spontaneous erections not long after eating muesli (containing some peanuts) - might be due to the proclaimed effect of L-arginine which peanuts are high in.
Another way of increasing nitric oxide in the body is to prevent its rapid degradation by oxygen radicals. Pomegranate and a superoxide dismutase (SOD)-enhancing nutrient called GliSODin® have been shown to favorably affect nitric oxide activity. In a preliminary study, men with mild-to-moderate erectile dysfunction experienced modest improvements after only four weeks of consuming pomegranate juice each day. This effect is dramatically less pronounced than that produced by the common beverage grapefruit juice.

L-arginine: food sources (grams /100 gram of food)
http://www.dietaryfiberfood.com/larginine-high.php
Peanuts, Spanish 3.13
Peanuts 3.09
Almond nuts 2.47
Seeds, sunflower seed kernels, dried 2.40
Walnuts, English 2.28
Hazelnuts 2.21
Lentils, raw 2.17
Brazilnuts 2.15
Cashew nuts 2.12
We all appreciate your input but how can there be a way to figure what really works and what doesn't with all the stuff you are putting through your system? Hope you aren't jerking us around! As for me, the cheap stuff, one little pill, from India works just fine as an added boost.

John Dough
11-13-09, 13:02
http://www.ecextract.com/
Ecklonia Cava Extract (ECE) is a standardized organic complex of unique aquatic molecules that come from a specific species of brown algae that grows 100 feet under water and can be found off the coasts of Japan and Korea. It has been found to be one of the world’s most potent antioxidant – Up to 10+ times more powerful than the most potent green tea extract!

The half-life of ECE is up to 12 hours, compared to 30 minutes for water-soluble, land-based polyphenols.

ECE v.Viagra®: 8-Week Clinical Trial

Scientists studied 31 men with erectile dysfunction for over six months. For eight weeks they compared ECE to Viagra®. They looked at orgasmic function, intercourse fulfillment, erectile function, and overall fulfillment. No side effects were reported with Ecklonia Cava Extract.

ECE scored:
Orgasmic Function: 87%
Erectile Function: 66%
Intercourse Satisfaction: 74%,
Overall Satisfaction: 62%

Viagra® scored:
Orgasmic Function: 27%
Erectile Function: 66%
Intercourse Satisfaction: 44%,
Overall Satisfaction: 39%

http://www.eckloniacava.com/erectile_d.html
Ecklonia Cava can rejuvenate the vascular endothelium. They produce the chemical nitric oxide (NO), that keeps the arterial walls relaxed and dilated. After a 6 -week study of ECE, flow mediated dilation and NO mediated dilation increased by 60% and 50%. In another study, coronary artery disease patients were given ECE for six weeks. Blood flow controlled by NO increased 50-60%. These results confirm that ECE can rejuvenate damaged endothelial cells to produce NO. Interestingly, Viagra® works by increasing NO in the penile artery.

http://www.iherb.com/Allergy-Research-Group-Nutricology-FibroBoost-75-Veggie-Caps/7777?at=0
A friend has used this product rather than taking the drug Viagra. He is 74 years old and having tried this product earlier he found it worked for him and even lowered his blood pressure from 3 to 5 points.. I ordered it from iHerb because their price was lower

http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19673
I've been using Ecklonia Cava Extract (ECE) for a few months and have noticed a huge improvement in sexual performance, which was not it's main intended purpose.

I tried this product for a couple of weeks and it didn't work for me.

John Dough
11-13-09, 13:29
We all appreciate your input but how can there be a way to figure what really works and what doesn't with all the stuff you are putting through your system? Hope you aren't jerking us around! As for me, the cheap stuff, one little pill, from India works just fine as an added boost.
I'm sorry for the confusion. When I post a link and then some text, I am quoting from the page that I linked to. It is not my personal experience.

The only person I am jerking is myself. I call this "testing under controlled laboratory conditions" as opposed to "field testing".

The other night I ate a lot of peanuts as a bedtime snack and had morning wood. I started doing web searches on the topic and posted what I found. Here is something I missed:

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/grapefruit-juice-nighttime-erections-134263176-2.html
"Several varieties of fruits and vegetables have Calcium D-glucarate. This is a botanical extract found in high levels in grapefruit, apples, oranges, broccoli, and brussels sprouts. This extract allows the body to excrete hormones such as estrogen before they can become reabsorbed."

I have some Calcium D-glucarate left over from my failed DIM/Glucarate experiment. I also have some White Blood brand Arginine Ethyl Ester, which has a powerful but short lasting effect. Based on the report I posted previously, I decided to combine these two ingredients. The Arginine is used in place of the peanuts and the Glucarate is used in place of the grapefruit juice. My goal is to increase the amount of time that the Arginine is effective. The results of my first test under "laboratory conditions" are favorable. Now I have to do some field tests.

The good results from Arginine are well documented. Using peanuts or nuts as a source instead of pills is not. I think peanuts give a longer lasting result since it takes time to digest them. However, the effect is less powerful and takes longer to kick in. The grapefruit juice is probably not working by itself. It requires the arginine in the peanuts to work. The peanuts in turn need the grapefruit juice to magnify and extend the effect.

Junebug1
11-16-09, 15:00
Anyone use this stuff only reason I ask is because the FDA says it contains sulfoaildenafil a chemical similar to sildenafil. I ordered 1 sample pill for 3bux we'll see how this stuff compares to the Manly from ADC.

John Dough
11-24-09, 20:28
When I first started using Arginine Ethyl Ester (White Blood) some amazing results kicked in for the next few hours. Over time I had to take more to get fewer results. Now I get no immediate effect at all.

The results I get now start to occur about 8 hours later. I find it is best to take Arginine first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, then wait half an hour before eating. If you are planning to have a late night perhaps you could take Arginine before lunch instead. That is also the most effective way I have found to benefit from cocoa. Perhaps they should be taken together. Eating chocolate covered peanuts provides both.

http://www.bio-genesis.com/pdf/L-Arginine.pdf
Cocoa flavonoids improve artery dilation by enhancing NO bioactivity. The inclusion of cocoa polyphenols in L-Arginine-TR is vital due to their important role in oxidative modification.

http://www.boost-your-low-testosterone.com/nitric-oxide-studies.html
Scientists think chocolate helps when flavanols, a chemical in cocoa, stimulate the release of nitric oxide in the body, which dilates and relaxes blood vessels and eases blood flow.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WB5-4S0JN2R-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1108537400&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=11b51b11be2a117c706803b9ce382479
The availability of l-arginine can be a rate-limiting factor for nitric oxide. Arginase competes with NO for l-arginine. Inhibition of arginase activity has been reported to improve vasorelaxation. Dietary intervention with flavanol-rich cocoa caused diminished arginase activity.

John Dough
11-24-09, 21:43
Does grapefruit juice affect Viagra and Cialis?
https://www.riverpharmacy.com/frequentlyAskedQuestions.php?id=34
With Men's Health medications like Sildenafil Citrate (Viagra, Silagra) and Tadalafil (Cialis, Tadacip), grapefruit juice inhibits the body's absorption of the medication. There are more than 50 commonly-prescribed drugs that have the same negative interactions with grapefruit juice. One glass of grapefruit juice could elicit the maximum blocking effect, and the effect may persist for longer than 24 hours. Orange and apple juice do not contain the same compounds as grapefruit juice, so they do not cause problems.

Jinthewood
11-24-09, 23:03
Does grapefruit juice affect Viagra and Cialis?
https://www.riverpharmacy.com/frequentlyAskedQuestions.php?id=34
With Men's Health medications like Sildenafil Citrate (Viagra, Silagra) and Tadalafil (Cialis, Tadacip), grapefruit juice inhibits the body's absorption of the medication. There are more than 50 commonly-prescribed drugs that have the same negative interactions with grapefruit juice. One glass of grapefruit juice could elicit the maximum blocking effect, and the effect may persist for longer than 24 hours. Orange and apple juice do not contain the same compounds as grapefruit juice, so they do not cause problems.

I believe it inhibits the absorbtion timewise, but ultimately more of the drug reaches the bloodstream, and therefore you might get enhanced effects.

John Dough
11-25-09, 21:57
I believe it inhibits the absorbtion timewise, but ultimately more of the drug reaches the bloodstream, and therefore you might get enhanced effects.
Grapefruit juice might reduce the amount of Viagra required and also make it last longer.
http://impotenceproblems.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/cialis-viagra-grapefruit-juice/
Tadalafil(Cialis) is metabolized principally by CPY3A4, which is the enzyme which grapefruit juice inhibits. So if you take Cialis with grapefruit juice, the serum concentration of tadalafil will be increased.

It has a very long half-life to start with, unlike Viagra, so the grapefruit juice might not make much difference. In other words, it is already being metabolized slowly.

Also, I think the grapefruit juice effect is temporary, so to have the two or three day life of tadalafil be extended, you would probably have to drink the juice frequently.


http://www.umm.edu/altmed/drugs/sildenafil-114380.htm
Amount and rate of absorption of sildenafil (Viagra) is reduced when taken with a high-fat meal. Serum concentrations/toxicity may be increased with grapefruit juice; avoid concurrent use.

Decatur1945
12-12-09, 19:32
It would be helpful, I think anyway, if you guys would include some info about your age, etc. I'm new to the concept of taking herbal supplements but am intrigued. I'm 65, take antidepressants, blood pressure medicen, had heart surgery about 10 years ago, which all contribute to ED.

John Dough
12-22-09, 00:01
I ordered some magnesium pills in an attempt to relieve tight muscles. I chose the magnesium glycinate form since it doesn't cause diarrhea. It did give some relief from the tight sore muscles. The other thing it did was increase the maximum rigidity of my erections. It didn't make them last longer, just made them extra firm. Unfortunately it also seems to aggravate vericose veins. One time I took too many and the erections were so hard they were painful. I'm more interested in making them last longer, which zinc seems to help with.

http://life.gaiam.com/gaiam/p/Alternative-Treatments-for-Erectile-Dysfunction.html
Magnesium deficiency has been associated with increased risk of ED. More specifically, magnesium is essential for the metabolism of nitric oxide which helps facilitate erection.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/super-minerals-rock-hard-body-erection.html
Supplement companies came up with a new twist on Zinc. They added some Vitamin B6, and some magnesium. The result was a supplement called ZMA, which increases natural free and total testosterone levels.

John Dough
12-22-09, 00:13
Here is something new I am investigating:

http://aphrodisiacmenu.com/anthocyanins-against-erectile-dysfunction.html
The pigments found in purple grape juice, blueberries and other fruits have been shown to inhibit the phosphodiesterase enzymes - which is how Viagra works. The healthy red and blue colors from anthocyanin pigments won't give the immediate, powerful kick that comes from the little blue pill. But it can make a difference and should be considered a first-string treatment for preventing or reversing Erectile Dysfunction.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2502857/the_sex_fruit_blueberries.html?cat=5
Blueberries can increase a man's sex drive and help him to last longer, before and during sex. This luscious dark-blue food, can increase circulation and blood flow within the human body. Even more so, the blood flow to a man's penis during sex can increase allowing him to be more firm and have a longer erection, as he increases in age.

John Dough
12-31-09, 16:39
Here is something new I am investigating:

http://aphrodisiacmenu.com/anthocyanins-against-erectile-dysfunction.html
The pigments found in purple grape juice, blueberries and other fruits have been shown to inhibit the phosphodiesterase enzymes - which is how Viagra works. The healthy red and blue colors from anthocyanin pigments won't give the immediate, powerful kick that comes from the little blue pill. But it can make a difference and should be considered a first-string treatment for preventing or reversing Erectile Dysfunction.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2502857/the_sex_fruit_blueberries.html?cat=5
Blueberries can increase a man's sex drive and help him to last longer, before and during sex. This luscious dark-blue food, can increase circulation and blood flow within the human body. Even more so, the blood flow to a man's penis during sex can increase allowing him to be more firm and have a longer erection, as he increases in age.
I tried a lot of blueberry juice and red grape juice. There was no noticeable benefit.

John Dough
12-31-09, 16:54
Has anybody tried one of these products?

http://www.nokomisresearch.com/eroxil.htm
The active ingredients in Eroxil™ are polyamines, naturally-occurring phytochemicals found both in our own bodies and in a number of plant foods. They regenerate cell growth and enhance sperm quantity and quality, which ensures healthy testosterone levels, which, in turn, help ensure a healthy libido. For most men, a visible difference will become noticeable within days.
http://www.belllifestyleproducts.com/06-eroxil.htm
Eroxil™ For Men - A unique, naturally-based product that addresses the cause, not the symptoms like drugs, of male sexual dysfunction. The result of years of extensive research, Eroxil™ works with the body’s own natural processes to help rejuvenate the entire sexual reproductive system – sperm production, libido, performance. And without the side effects normally associated with drugs.

http://www.accuratetreatment.org/store/page42.html
Xylocel - Through the aging process, men and women lose two elements critical to the production of sex hormones – the polyamines Spermine and Spermidine. Derived from radish leaves, they enhance the body’s natural hormone production, from the brain to the sex glands, and re-establish normal sexual function and greater overall health and vigor. Most importantly, research has shown that Xylocel works to maintain healthy testosterone levels.

http://www.olimp-supplements.com/e_n/index2.php?page=l_pro2&id_pr=135&ids=&sh=1&str=2
arginine is transformed into polyamines which build up muscle tissue with proteins and produce new muscle cells!

http://www.enlargel.com/enlargel_formula.html
L-arginine acts as an Androgen Precursor because it is the precursor in the synthesis of polyamines.

Fbtom
01-01-10, 17:24
It would be helpful, I think anyway, if you guys would include some info about your age, etc. I'm new to the concept of taking herbal supplements but am intrigued. I'm 65, take antidepressants, blood pressure medicen, had heart surgery about 10 years ago, which all contribute to ED.

I'm in early 40's.

Junebug1
01-06-10, 12:36
I took one stiff nights on an empty stomach Then went to visit my milf. I noticed it made my erection harder and more prolonged and after the first round I was reloaded with in minutes. I went three times that night. The next morning I felt I could still notice the effects. The only side effect is it gave me a horrible head ache. I would try again but maybe Eat before taking it to see if it helps with the headach.

JB


Anyone use this stuff only reason I ask is because the FDA says it contains sulfoaildenafil a chemical similar to sildenafil. I ordered 1 sample pill for 3bux we'll see how this stuff compares to the Manly from ADC.

Hankster
01-14-10, 08:05
Went to my local Boutique and purchased 1 "Stiff Nights" capsule. Recommended by the lady behind the counter. I am older, have ED, and have tried several over the counter pills. All I have ever gotten was a headache in the big head. Took "Stiff Nights" on an empty stomach and was very pleased with the results. Less than an hour and I was ready. The directions said that I could go again after five minutes but for me it was a couple of hours. Still got the viagra type headache but the fact that I could sport a woody made it worth while.

Fbtom
01-19-10, 19:10
Never tried Eroxil, but I like the last statement about only needing a maintenance dosage after 90 days.

I currently use arginine, and L-arginine with good results.

.

Rockhunter
01-20-10, 21:30
Hi,
I tried to respond to your email to me and it said that you have to clear some stored messages to receive any new ones.
Thank you for responding to my question. If you clear your inbox you might receive my email address, if not, after clearing it, drop me a line from here and I will send it to you.
Many thanks, you are a gentleman....Rockhunter

Hankster
01-21-10, 09:32
Does anyone know if the ingredients in "Stiff Nights" could cause someone to fail a drug test. In my job, I can be tested at any time and don't want a problem.

Comment: Tried this product for the second time. I had a little more food in my stomach this time. The results were still good and I had less of a headache. The day after I took the pill, I was still capable of producing wood. Two days later I think it was still working but never had that opportunity to try. I still think that it is good stuff.

I waisted my money on "Stamina RX". It did produce a great headache though. I also purchased "Zyrexin" but did not try it because the ingredients were very similiar to "Stamina RX".

J Pappa
01-22-10, 01:07
Just wondering if anyone has tried VigRX Plus? I just purchased this product and wanted to find out if anyone here has tried it out. If I have any positive or negative effects I will report back after giving it a month or two trial.

J Pappa
03-02-10, 07:46
So far no real changes yet. Maybe inrease in stamina? but that wasn't a problem before. Will keep taking for the remainder of the 2 months.

Member #4236
03-04-10, 20:28
I seemed to have very good results taking these supplements, but I have been off them for about 2 months, and lately I've noticed a lack of libido. So I'm going to restock and begin taking this stuff again, as listed. I'll report back the results in a month or so.


I'm going to repost what I'm taking with some corrections -- I didn't see that I could actually be taking more of some of these supplements, according to what's written on the bottle. I buy these supplements at Jimbo's or Whole Foods, usually their store brand which is probably as good as anybody else's stuff, at least as far as i can tell.

DHEA 50 MG ...................... 1 capsule in the morning

ZINC PICOLINATE 30 MG .... 1 capsule daily with meals

TRIBEST 750 MG ................ 2 capsules daily with meals

L ARGININE 500MG & L ORNITHINE 250 MG COMPLEX
....................................... 1 - 3 capsules daily between meals

ACETYLE L CARNITINE 500 MG
....................................... 1 - 4 capsules daily between meals

This is what the pill bottles suggest to do and I've been doing the last month and a half, with a definite increase in libido and no ill effects (though just by sheer coincidence, the night after I started taking these pills I woke up at 2 a.m. with severe back pain and nausea, and even had to go to the ER. I thought I was having a major reaction to these supplements and was perhaps dying...turned out I had a kidney stone, which had nothing whatever to do with these pills. Btw, my sincere thanks to whoever invented morphine.)

Knucklebuck
03-11-10, 13:39
Been taking this stuff for about a week and first nut last night...definitely could tell the difference. Seems like the "contractions" just felt longer.

Knucklebuck
03-13-10, 20:23
Been taking this stuff for about a week and first nut last night...definitely could tell the difference. Seems like the "contractions" just felt longer.

Not sure, but you may need a few days between sessions before you feel an impact again. Had a 3 nut night last night and they all felt the same.