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Hey guys. FYI, I have some legal resources and I want to help. I know that a lot have issues. I am pretty busy but Ill help out as much as I can. Particulary to the Senior, Seniors (i.e. those that have really shared). Thanks. And please other members should chime in anytime.
Hey guys. FYI, I have some legal resources and I want to help. I know that a lot have issues. I am pretty busy but Ill help out as much as I can. Particulary to the Senior, Seniors (i.e. those that have really shared). Thanks. And please other members should chime in anytime.
Help How? I would personally like to see some one challenge the intent to solicit charges myself, Basically there saying they know your motive for being on a street corner? I really belive if a Reverse undercover sting was set-up and documented, showing a girl just standing on a corner waving at cars, and was ticketed for it, and fought the LAPD would be forced to change there ways.
That and the carpool lanes, I want to sue the state to allow all traffic in the lanes, after all everyone pays the registration, Fuel tax, and state tax, as well as has to pay back the bond money, therefore everyone has a right to use them?
That and the fact they don't do shit to improve traffic.
Anyways any help is always appreciated ampfinder thanks for the offer!
Well I will help out anyway I can...
I know of my fellow mongers have family law issues. Others criminal. Crim I am not a big specialist though. I am close to a law library and try to read up as much as I can.
Help How? I would personally like to see some one challenge the intent to solicit charges myself, Basically there saying they know your motive for being on a street corner? I really belive if a Reverse undercover sting was set-up and documented, showing a girl just standing on a corner waving at cars, and was ticketed for it, and fought the LAPD would be forced to change there ways.
That and the carpool lanes, I want to sue the state to allow all traffic in the lanes, after all everyone pays the registration, Fuel tax, and state tax, as well as has to pay back the bond money, therefore everyone has a right to use them?
That and the fact they don't do shit to improve traffic.
Anyways any help is always appreciated ampfinder thanks for the offer!
JeffTheDrunk
01-25-07, 17:27
That and the carpool lanes, I want to sue the state to allow all traffic in the lanes, after all everyone pays the registration, Fuel tax, and state tax, as well as has to pay back the bond money, therefore everyone has a right to use them?
That and the fact they don't do shit to improve traffic.This is my #1 pet peeve. HOV lanes are a bunch of bullshit. All they do is make traffic worse. We'd all be better of not having them and just having an extra lane (or two in some cases) to be used by all cars. It's fucking Hippy tree-hugger vegetarian bureaucrats that enacted these HOV lanes. And the construction companies that went along with the stupid ideas just to generate more useless work for them.
This is my #1 pet peeve. HOV lanes are a bunch of bullshit. All they do is make traffic worse. We'd all be better of not having them and just having an extra lane (or two in some cases) to be used by all cars. It's fucking Hippy tree-hugger vegetarian bureaucrats that enacted these HOV lanes. And the construction companies that went along with the stupid ideas just to generate more useless work for them.Welcome to the world of politics mi amigo! Annoying isn't it?
Okay, my question is about car seizures. At what point can LE take your car? I mean, if you get pulled over just for talking to a girl, can they nab your ride, even though they have to prove intent? Seems unconstitutional since our laws claim that we're presumed innocent until proven guilty. They cliam that they auction your car off, but what if the finance/lease company still holds the note? So many questions come to mind here on this issue.
I see this topic come up all the time, but nobody seems to know for sure what proper protocal is? I see a lot of educated guesses, and that only confuses me more.
Spanks!
PsyberZombie
01-26-07, 10:17
This is my #1 pet peeve. HOV lanes are a bunch of bullshit.....
Two points on this subject =
► If Dog Forbid you ever get stopped by LE after picking up a SW , tell the nice officer
that you just wanted the girl in your car so you could use the HOV Lane . Stick with that
story if you still get arrested . This is known legally as an "affirmative defense"
► Beat The System = If you need to use the HOV lane on a daily basis , buy
an adjustable mannequin with a finished face to be your passenger . Dress the top of
the mannequin in a long sleeve shirt . Put a baseball cap on the mannequin's head and
turn 'his' head slightly inward like he's listening to the radio ... and you are Good to Go !!!
A friend of mine in Florida has been doing this for years and says it's saved him *thousands*
of hours of commuting time [ we don't have HOVLs in my home state — Rhode Island —
or I'd do this myself ]
You can get a mannequin for as little as $ 99 if you search the web .
If yer too lazy to do that , Start HERE ('http://www.davessurplus.com/')
HOV lanes are great.
Quitcher jealous bitchin and car pool or buy a motorcycle or a prius.
Welcome to the world of politics mi amigo! Annoying isn't it?
Okay, my question is about car seizures. At what point can LE take your car? I mean, if you get pulled over just for talking to a girl, can they nab your ride, even though they have to prove intent?
Yes, and they don't have to prove intent in the classic criminal sense where the standard is "Beyond a reasonable doubt". The car seizure is a civil action and therefore they only have to prove it by the standard "prepordernace of evidence". What that means is that the judge will weigh the evidence and if it comes up 51/49 in favor of the prosecuting agency, your car is taken.
Seems unconstitutional since our laws claim that we're presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Not for purposes of car seizure. Theoretically the police don't even have to cite or charge you to confiscate your car, although almost every judge would probably simply ask the prosecutor to dismiss the hearing if this were the case.
They cliam that they auction your car off, but what if the finance/lease company still holds the note?
You are still on the hook for the balance of the lease/loan.
Not for purposes of car seizure. Theoretically the police don't even have to cite or charge you to confiscate your car, although almost every judge would probably simply ask the prosecutor to dismiss the hearing if this were the case.
Four or five years ago the Supreme Court set the bar pretty high. The ACLU picked the most sympathetic case they could find--A wife had her car seized because her husband was out mongering. SCOTUS told her to fuck off, it was too bad.
You are still on the hook for the balance of the lease/loan.
Yes, but most states require the cops to notify the lienholder so sometimes you can work out a deal thru them.
Yes, but most states require the cops to notify the lienholder so sometimes you can work out a deal thru them.What kind of deal are you talking about?
What kind of deal are you talking about?
A deal with the lienholder to pay less than the full balance owing.
"California Supreme Court Overturns Car Seizure Ordinance
The California Supreme Court says cities may no longer seize automobiles from people merely accused of a crime."
(http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/18/1883.asp )
The police can only impound a car for 48 hours. LA ended this ridiculous practice 2 years ago.
#1 Didn't there, just recently, used to be a "LEGAL" section of the forums here?
I seem to recall a few officers, and a few lawyers, providing some good legal tips and counsel, and then that stuff being delegated to a separate room.
What happened?
#2 Want to ask the most basic of questions.
If I call up an escort on CL (for example), and it is really an LE sting. Will I be arrested just for showing up?
Does there have to be some specific discussion, regarding paying for sex?
I want to know the particulars of the law on this.
From my amateur point of view, it's just as many of the girls state in their ad.
"money exchanged is for time spent together. Any sexual activities that occurs is simply the mutual decision of two consenting adults"
Is it really possible to PROVE otherwise, unless you are caught on tape, verbalizing the exchange of money for sex?
Thanks for your help
If you're wondering what might have brought this question on, it's because I've seen an incredible looking girl on CL, and was thinking of a possible TOFTT adventure, but then I thought twice, thinking it is a possible sting.
"California Supreme Court Overturns Car Seizure Ordinance
The California Supreme Court says cities may no longer seize automobiles from people merely accused of a crime."
(http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/18/1883.asp )
The police can only impound a car for 48 hours. LA ended this ridiculous practice 2 years ago.Thank goodness for ending this fascist practice!
Defense Lawyer
04-24-09, 02:41
Alright, here's the basics. The it is illegal to exchange money for sex (actually engage in prostitution), to offer to an exchange of money for sex ("hey there good looking, I'll give you $20 for a blowjob"), and to solicit someone to exchange money for sex ("will you have sex with me for money? "). An offer is also considered an agreement and an act in furtherance (cop on the street: "will you pay me $20 for a blowjob? " You: "sounds great, you're hot, " cop: drive over to that motel there and we'll go to my room, you'll love it. " You then drive in that general direction.
What is sex? It is generally considered the touching of any sexual organ (or any body part? Not sure about that) for sexual gratification. So, believe it or not, lap dances where she touches you with her ass or tits in exchange for money is prostitution. Her dancing for money and then being so turned on by your vibe and touching you sexually is not technically prostitution (there was no bargain for that activity). Try running that defense in trial, though.
What we're dealing with here tends to be either a solicitation or an agreement and act in furtherance. This is why it is advised to have a girl in your car before you ever start talking to her about what she'll do or what you'll pay. Once she's in your car, you know she's no cop. In the case of craigslist, it's much harder. In general, I would advise that you don't ever discuss any sexual touching. My suggestion would be that you want to hire her to dance for your in exchange for money, or say explicitely that you want only legal services such as dancing or massage. When you get there, and you can see she's not a cop (ie. You see her tits), then you can start talking in earnest. I would not talk any details over the phone. Problem is that it could be a leap of faith, and you may lose some money or time, but I think it's safer than being arrested.
Just be clear at all times that you only want legal services such as dancing or massage until you see the brown of her nipples.
As an aside, I handled some of these cases in Hollywood many years ago and recall the head city attorney supervisor there dismissing a prostitution case against a john who solicited a cop by saying he wanted her to dance for him while he masterbated, or her to masterbate for him, something to that effect. The supervisor dismissed the case noting that it is not against the law to touch yourself and pay for a show. Unfortunately, the guy was married and I'm quite sure that this screwed up his life in some way or another. So just don't get caught.
Hi,
I am coming to LA next week and was wondering what the law states about sex in an adult theater?
Defense Lawyer
10-23-10, 00:59
Hi,
I am coming to LA next week and was wondering what the law states about sex in an adult theater? Hey Bosoxfan.
The law is called Lewd Conduct (Penal Code Section 647 (a. In general, having sex of any type (even masturbating) in a public place where someone from the public could view it and be offended (and I think they've made it so that even if you'd be hard-pressed to find a person at a porn theater who'd really be offended by someone else having sex, the cops would say they were. Even though they were looking to find it. And that's probably enough.
It was under this type of a charge that Pee Wee Herman got nailed for 20 years ago or so.
The same would apply to the places that have the little porn booths. There, too, any sexual conduct in a place that's viewable to the public. So if they don't have real closing doors, that's open to the public. Then it's a lewd conduct. It's a misdemeanor, and the prosecutors treat it very similar in punishment and restrictions to a prostitution case.
So, don't do it where it's visible to the public (ie. Get a room.
Lewd conduct is what they nail people for when they see them picking up a prostitute. They'll follow them to the spot they're doing the deed, then walk up on them and charge them. Perhaps you have a defense if you're up in the hills in a very dark area, but that's not where most girls are, and hence it's not where most mongers are.
Stay safe!
Defense Lawyer
What does the law says about driving with a SW. For example if I have a SW in my car and I'm driving to a motel but before we get to the motel a Police Officer pulls me over and he knows the SW from previous arrest, can I be prosecuted on any charges, it seems to me that in this case, there is no proof of exchange of money for sex or any lewd act taking place but I hear all the time of people getting arrested just for talking or having a SW in their car.
Defense Lawyer
12-15-10, 00:50
This is the age-old question of what can they get you for absent a sting where you are "caught in the act" speaking the forbidden words (such as I'll give you $50 for a blow job, or even something more veiled, like $50 for half & half).
In general, the law of prostitution is violated by soliciting someone to engage in an act of prostitution, agreeing to engage in an act of prostitution and taking an act in furtherance of said agreement (like driving to the location the undercover cop directs you to) , or engaging in an act of prostitution.
So, if the girl says nothing and you say nothing, then you're probably golden. But realize the reality of this, the girl may be on probation and the cop may squeeze her to give you up (which she would in a heartbeat if it would save her butt). If he gets her to admit that you solicited her, it would be enough for an arrest and charges. Ditto for agreeing. You haven't actually engaged in prostitution yet, so you're safe there.
You could also be charged with loitering with intent to commit an act of prostitution, Penal Code Section 653. 22, which means driving around (in the guys case) or walking around and engaging motorists (in the girls case) with the intention of doing an act of prostitution. The proof would presumably be the actions the police saw you do before picking her up, after picking her up and driving away. So, they could "opine" that in their experience you were obviously lurking around looking for prostitutes since they've seen this hundreds of times, and this is what Johns do, and by picking up a known prostitute, you were clearly loitering in the area with an intention of picking up a prostitute. If you've been stopped in the area before but not charged then they would certainly use that against you in deciding to file a case and in trial. If the girl corroborated this by saying you guys were going to engage in an act of prostitution, then that would further corroborate it.
In other words, don't think you're out of the woods no matter how it is they come to pull you over.
Just stay silent, or have a really good story, and when they tell you they don't believe it, feign outrage and insist on having your attorney present. But don't let them keep questioning you.
What does the law says about driving with a SW. For example if I have a SW in my car and I'm driving to a motel but before we get to the motel a Police Officer pulls me over and he knows the SW from previous arrest, can I be prosecuted on any charges, it seems to me that in this case, there is no proof of exchange of money for sex or any lewd act taking place but I hear all the time of people getting arrested just for talking or having a SW in their car.
In need of advice on what to do. I was busted in an undercover sting operation where the undercover female officer and I discussed exchanging $40 for head. She directs me to a location a few streets down. I head towards that direction and I get pulled over sirens blazing behind me. They search me and find $50 cash in my pockets and take that for evidence. I spend an overnight in jail where they process me and run my fingerprints to check any other offenses be made. My record was clean but still didn't get out til 8:45am next day. How much trouble am I in? Will I have to register as a sex offender? This is my first offense. Is there some community service or bail amount to wipe this off my record. I don't know how to fight this in court, would it be easier it admit guilt? What are the consequences of being convicted of the crime in my case?
Should I try and find a public defender to help with my case?
I also noticed the cops went through my texts and tried talking with some of the girls I was planning and meeting that night too. I was arrested at 10:40pm and went I was released I checked that some of my texts had responses on my part at 11:45pm when I didn't have my phone. It was taken into evidence.
Are cops allowed to go through your phone and make responses on texts?
I don't know anywhere else to ask, any help would be appreciated!
Get a lawyer!
In need of advice on what to do. I was busted in an undercover sting operation where the undercover female officer and I discussed exchanging $40 for head. She directs me to a location a few streets down. I head towards that direction and I get pulled over sirens blazing behind me. They search me and find $50 cash in my pockets and take that for evidence. I spend an overnight in jail where they process me and run my fingerprints to check any other offenses be made. My record was clean but still didn't get out til 8:45am next day. How much trouble am I in? Will I have to register as a sex offender? This is my first offense. Is there some community service or bail amount to wipe this off my record. I don't know how to fight this in court, would it be easier it admit guilt? What are the consequences of being convicted of the crime in my case?
Should I try and find a public defender to help with my case?
I also noticed the cops went through my texts and tried talking with some of the girls I was planning and meeting that night too. I was arrested at 10:40pm and went I was released I checked that some of my texts had responses on my part at 11:45pm when I didn't have my phone. It was taken into evidence.
Are cops allowed to go through your phone and make responses on texts?
I don't know anywhere else to ask, any help would be appreciated!
Christophe1
01-07-13, 12:56
In need of advice on what to do. How much trouble am I in? Will I have to register as a sex offender? Is there some community service or bail amount to wipe this off my record. I don't know how to fight this in court, would it be easier it admit guilt? What are the consequences of being convicted of the crime in my case?
Should I try and find a public defender to help with my case?
I also noticed the cops went through my texts and tried talking with some of the girls I was planning and meeting that night too. I was arrested at 10:40pm and went I was released I checked that some of my texts had responses on my part at 11:45pm when I didn't have my phone. It was taken into evidence.
Are cops allowed to go through your phone and make responses on texts?
I don't know anywhere else to ask, any help would be appreciated!Don't worry, you're not in too much trouble. It's a misdemeanor. It feels embarrassing, it sucks, it's a learning experience and may have future consequences in getting a job. If you hold a professional license you may have to report the conviction and worry about moral terpitude issues.
First, I would interview a couple attorneys and see what they say. I personally don't think they can do much. If you pay enough money ($5000) to an attorney with a great reputation and who has worked as a prosecuting attorney knowing all the judges, they may be able to get your case dismissed. But, you have to pay for it.
IMO, unless you want to pay a lot you probably can use the public defender and plead no contest (guilty without admitting guilt) , but it's good to get a legal opinion. The consultation should be free and they will state a fee of $1500 or more. The court will give you a sentence of something like 30-50 hours of community service. You'll have to pay a fee to start the community service program ($50-100). They will have you get tested for HIV and bring your results to the court ($35-70). You will be given something like 2 years of unsupervised probation. After six, you can request to be released from probation. Also, after a couple years you can request to have your record expunged (provided you haven't committed any new crimes). When you apply for a job they will see this record until it is expunged. Afterward, you will have to decide how you answer the question, have you ever been convicted of a crime.
Yes, LEO can go through your phone and anything on it can be used as evidence against you without a warrant. I always, always delete everything and clear out my browser history on the street. If I took pictures I email them afterward.
I know a couple MP girls that have gone through this.
PS. Don't believe the lawyers. They use your fear and promise the world. They'll say they will look at the case and find inconsistencies and where the investigation breaks down. Until they see the evidence then say you should accept the plea deal. If they do find Leo mistakes and you fight it. Will easily cost $5k and upward.
Socalasian
01-07-13, 14:27
I know someone who went through this (from another board) and I can give you an idea if you are in the OC.
Get a lawyer. You can probably have the charge dismissed if that is what you need to keep your record clean. Going to run you around $3500 for the lawyer but they will do all your court dates and paperwork for you. If you can get it they will offer you a HIV Awareness class that's going to cost you like 8 hours on your weekend and $300, a DNA filing that's going to be another handful of cash, and then your case will be dismissed. Not the cheapest route but if you don't want to take a chance at ending up with a conviction then I suggest a professional attorney who handles these cases.
Otherwise you take the risk of a conviction- you probably won't get any jail time but a hefty fine and it will be on your record.
Be careful out there LE is using the online sites to run a lot of stings. Have heard of one off CL and one off BP in Garden Grove and Westminster. Easy way to make money for the cities I'm assuming. Sucks when there are real criminals out there victimizing people.
Hey I just wanted to thank everyone for their input on my case. I forgot to mention the sting happened on lankerahim near sfr a couple nights ago. You guys really helped take alot of the stress off my back. I will be staying away from the tracks for a while after this experience. And a word of advice to newbies, if you don't already know if girl tells you to meet her down the street instead of gettin into your car right away, head he opposite direction of where she tells you and go home! Please learn from my experience its better to to your warm house and j / o Instead of spending a cold night in jail.
Again thanks for all the input and anymore advice for me as I await my court date would be greatly appreciated!
Get a lawyer!If you are going to lawyer up, get one who is close to the courthouse and knows the local judges and prosecutors. Don't listen to
People who are not lawyers. You need professional advice and representation. There may be defenses to the charges that only a
Good, local lawyer can help you with.
Member #4870
01-07-13, 21:57
Could you make an entrapment argument here?
Where did this sting take place?
Honestly if you a lot of money get a lawyer. Keep in mind good lawyers are not cheap and if this shit goes to trial for a long period of time they will charge you hourly rates that are from $100 to $300 range could be higher depending on lawyer. Just take the punishment it's a first time case. There's not much defense you can muster up if you drove to the trap cops got you and that's about it. Bottom line is if there's no camera around to prove you're innocent or person witness to testify that your innocent then your best shot is 'no contest' which is basically same as 'guilty'. Stop going to the tracks the cops will get you sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. It's like same shit for drinking and driving one day you might only have 2 beers and bam you get pulled over by LEO. You will get the 'Standard First'. Just go to court and take what's coming to you. Don't waste your money if you aint got lots of money it aint worth it and there's no guarantee a lawyer will get a you a better plea bargin.
Just wondering, does the LE's involved in sting operations have their own jurisdictions?
I'm just asking for those of us that are searching online. Would having the girls come to you or meeting outside their cities prevent (or at least lessen the risk) of running into a sting?
Just wondering, does the LE's involved in sting operations have their own jurisdictions?
I'm just asking for those of us that are searching online. Would having the girls come to you or meeting outside their cities prevent (or at least lessen the risk) of running into a sting?Does anybody know?
LimaBeansStink
01-24-13, 17:41
Does anybody know?Sworn peace officers in CA have the ability to enforce state laws throughout the state. The only place outside their jurisdiction is across state lines.
Hi there. I picked up a girl and cops followed me to a spot and charged me with public lewdness. I managed to see them coming and was able to put away my member. Girl also quickly dressed. Was caught in middle of buckling up.
This is my first offense. Just wondering if this is something I need a lawyer or something I should fight? Plead no contest? Any advice would be welcome. Thank you.
Shark in OC
02-25-16, 13:31
Hi there. I picked up a girl and cops followed me to a spot and charged me with public lewdness. I managed to see them coming and was able to put away my member. Girl also quickly dressed. Was caught in middle of buckling up.
This is my first offense. Just wondering if this is something I need a lawyer or something I should fight? Plead no contest? Any advice would be welcome. Thank you.Always get a lawyer when dealing with charges, even if seemingly small.
You need a lawyer to at least avoid having to register as sex offender. That will likely make you lose your job or not be able to find another.
Good lunck!
-Shark-.
Shark in OC
02-25-16, 13:35
Just wondering, does the LE's involved in sting operations have their own jurisdictions?
I'm just asking for those of us that are searching online. Would having the girls come to you or meeting outside their cities prevent (or at least lessen the risk) of running into a sting?For the same reason that a police chase can cross county lines. There is no law against it.
Cops will not respect any jurisdictional boundaries if they can get a collar. If she is under age or crossing state lines, that would make it a federal felony anyway. No jurisdiction there.
-Shark-.
Hi there. I picked up a girl and cops followed me to a spot and charged me with public lewdness. I managed to see them coming and was able to put away my member. Girl also quickly dressed. Was caught in middle of buckling up.
This is my first offense. Just wondering if this is something I need a lawyer or something I should fight? Plead no contest? Any advice would be welcome. Thank you.Absolutely have a lawyer. You just don't know what they might try to throw at you, especially in an election year.
BlackAndTan76
02-25-16, 18:01
Hi there. I picked up a girl and cops followed me to a spot and charged me with public lewdness. I managed to see them coming and was able to put away my member. Girl also quickly dressed. Was caught in middle of buckling up.
This is my first offense. Just wondering if this is something I need a lawyer or something I should fight? Plead no contest? Any advice would be welcome. Thank you.Where was this at? I know different agencies have different rules. Was it police or sheriffs.
Hi there. I picked up a girl and cops followed me to a spot and charged me with public lewdness. I managed to see them coming and was able to put away my member. Girl also quickly dressed. Was caught in middle of buckling up.
This is my first offense. Just wondering if this is something I need a lawyer or something I should fight? Plead no contest? Any advice would be welcome. Thank you.That's what you say. The problem is that the cops will write in their report that they observed the female fellating your organ. They don't care about lying, because they assume that a judge and / or a jury is going to believe them because they are cops. A good lawyer can bargain it down to a solicitation charge that won't require you to register as a sex offender. The fine is expensive, the penalty assessment cost is even worse, and you might have to take an HIV class. You definitely need a lawyer.
Defense Lawyer
02-26-16, 19:07
Alright, been a long time since I've posted here, but I can see people are hurting. I'm here to do my part haha!
A lewd act in public (647 (a)) is not a registrable offense. It used to be, back in the 1940's and 50's. I think it's been at least 30 or 40 years that it hasn't been. They used to use that charge to arrest gay people for trying to hook up with other gay people believe it or not! Welcome to the world of the Republican Party or Republican guard, same difference. But I digress.
You should absolutely get an attorney, and if you cannot afford one then get a public defender. I don't know where this happened, but where it happened can help determine what kind of a disposition you'll get.
If you have no record the likely offer will be a choice of fine / jail / community service, but a plea to the charge. You really don't want that on your record. If you can avoid it then you should. One of the other posters here noted that the police are very likely going to write the report to say that they saw you guys in full act, or at least with your junk out and her undressed. They simply wouldn't arrest you unless they were planning on saying that. So expect the police report to be full of details that may or may not be true, or at least are very distorted.
Seeing as your charged with a misdemeanor, if you get a public defender you're likely to get a younger and less experienced one, but also one that is probably gung ho and ready for action. Don't be afraid of a PD. Many are very good. If you have the money to hire a lawyer then you should do so. There's no way I'm going to start naming names here on this site, but there are very good lawyers that you can get for a few thousand dollars that may be able to work some magic prior to your going to court. People assume that the value of money is that you get a good lawyer who fights harder for you and is smarter. That's wrong The value of money is a lawyer who fights for you BEFORE the case is actually filed. There's far more discretion to act prior to a filing. Since public defenders don't get the case until its already been filed, then they lose out on a huge opportunity to do something before filing. So if you're willing to spend a few thousand to possibly prevent a filing or at least put yourself in a better position, do it quickly and LONG before your court date with a private lawyer. If you don't have money, you'll probably do ok with a PD (depending on where this happened), so don't stress out.
Even if you get a PD, I would ask that your arraignment be put over for a few weeks so that you can hire a private lawyer, even if you don't end up hiring one. You can at least consult with a few and maybe get some information from them. You can also find out from the PD what the offer is on the case and whether you want to take the deal at some later point.
The offer may go up if you don't take it at the arraignment and you set it for trial. However, it usually does not go up if you waive time for arraignment and put the case over to consider hiring a private lawyer.
All in all this completely sucks, and the law on this is pretty bad. There's this renewed emphasis on prostitutes as victims of human trafficking, and therefore johns are this new subset of evil. I think much of that is bullshit, but know that the courts are starting to think differently about prostitution and it's not in a more favorable way to the guys out there seeking sex.
PM me for more details if you have any questions. Good luck!
Hi there. I picked up a girl and cops followed me to a spot and charged me with public lewdness. I managed to see them coming and was able to put away my member. Girl also quickly dressed. Was caught in middle of buckling up.
This is my first offense. Just wondering if this is something I need a lawyer or something I should fight? Plead no contest? Any advice would be welcome. Thank you.
Christophe1
02-26-16, 19:22
Alright, been a long time since I've posted here, but I can see people are hurting. I'm here to do my part haha!
A lewd act in public (647 (a)) is not a registrable offense. It used to be, back in the 1940's and 50's. I think it's been at least 30 or 40 years that it hasn't been. They used to use that charge to arrest gay people for trying to hook up with other gay people believe it or not! Welcome to the world of the Republican Party or Republican guard, same difference. But I digress.
You should absolutely get an attorney, and if you cannot afford one then get a public defender. I don't know where this happened, but where it happened can help determine what kind of a disposition you'll get.
If you have no record the likely offer will be a choice of fine / jail / community service, but a plea to the charge. You really don't want that on your record. If you can avoid it then you should. One of the other posters here noted that the police are very likely going to write the report to say that they saw you guys in full act, or at least with your junk out and her undressed. They simply wouldn't arrest you unless they were planning on saying that. So expect the police report to be full of details that may or may not be true, or at least are very distorted.
Seeing as your charged with a misdemeanor, if you get a public defender you're likely to get a younger and less experienced one, but also one that is probably gung ho and ready for action. Don't be afraid of a PD. Many are very good. If you have the money to hire a lawyer then you should do so. There's no way I'm going to start naming names here on this site, but there are very good lawyers that you can get for a few thousand dollars that may be able to work some magic prior to your going to court. People assume that the value of money is that you get a good lawyer who fights harder for you and is smarter. That's wrong The value of money is a lawyer who fights for you BEFORE the case is actually filed. There's far more discretion to act prior to a filing. Since public defenders don't get the case until its already been filed, then they lose out on a huge opportunity to do something before filing. So if you're willing to spend a few thousand to possibly prevent a filing or at least put yourself in a better position, do it quickly and LONG before your court date with a private lawyer. If you don't have money, you'll probably do ok with a PD (depending on where this happened), so don't stress out.
Even if you get a PD, I would ask that your arraignment be put over for a few weeks so that you can hire a private lawyer, even if you don't end up hiring one. You can at least consult with a few and maybe get some information from them. You can also find out from the PD what the offer is on the case and whether you want to take the deal at some later point.
The offer may go up if you don't take it at the arraignment and you set it for trial. However, it usually does not go up if you waive time for arraignment and put the case over to consider hiring a private lawyer.
All in all this completely sucks, and the law on this is pretty bad. There's this renewed emphasis on prostitutes as victims of human trafficking, and therefore johns are this new subset of evil. I think much of that is bullshit, but know that the courts are starting to think differently about prostitution and it's not in a more favorable way to the guys out there seeking sex.
PM me for more details if you have any questions. Good luck!Out of curiosity, if he pays a couple thousand dollars to get a lawyer, could he possibly get off with no charges?
Could it be better to use a PD, plead no contest, and just pay the fines and do some community service? Maybe pay $600 for court costs and fines, and then in a year or two fill out the paperwork to expunge his record.
Can a lawyer really wipe this thing out?
Defense Lawyer
02-26-16, 19:41
Out of curiosity, if he pays a couple thousand dollars to get a lawyer, could he possibly get off with no charges?
Could it be better to use a PD, plead no contest, and just pay the fines and do some community service? Maybe pay $600 for court costs and fines, and then in a year or two fill out the paperwork to expunge his record.
Can a lawyer really wipe this thing out?There's no guarantees here. First of all you can find cheaper lawyers, and while it's not always you get what you pay for, it's usually the case that you don't get what you don't pay for. There are plenty of high priced crappy lawyers, but there are very few low priced great lawyers out there (except PDs).
A PD may be able to work your case down to a trespassing (penal code section 602) after a long brawl and if there's equities on his side of the case, but the one thing that PD will never be able to do is to try and prevent a filing, since PDs can't be retained until a filing has already taken place. So for sure he loses out on one opportunity to do something about the case by waiting until a filing.
If he's just going to plead no contest, the fact is that he'll do fine by a PD. They are in that court all the time, they know the offers and the range of cases that go with those offers. He won't have a problem. But if there are holes in the case or there are strong equities (such as no prior record, long history of community ties, blah blah blah) then a very good time to bring that forward is before the case is filed. Once it's filed it takes on a life of its own.
The fines and fees will probably be more than $600, but that's probably around the ballpark. It could even be more though. That's why I asked if he has money. But seriously, this will NEVER go away, even if it's later expunged and the like. Someone will ALWAYS be able to find it if he's convicted. The internet never disappears. So to me, in my financial situation (which I recognize may not be the same as others on this board), I would seriously not hesitate to get a lawyer now and try to head off a filing if possible. It's a no brainer.
There's no guarantees here. First of all you can find cheaper lawyers, and while it's not always you get what you pay for, it's usually the case that you don't get what you don't pay for. There are plenty of high priced crappy lawyers, but there are very few low priced great lawyers out there (except PDs).
A PD may be able to work your case down to a trespassing (penal code section 602) after a long brawl and if there's equities on his side of the case, but the one thing that PD will never be able to do is to try and prevent a filing, since PDs can't be retained until a filing has already taken place. So for sure he loses out on one opportunity to do something about the case by waiting until a filing.
If he's just going to plead no contest, the fact is that he'll do fine by a PD. They are in that court all the time, they know the offers and the range of cases that go with those offers. He won't have a problem. But if there are holes in the case or there are strong equities (such as no prior record, long history of community ties, blah blah blah) then a very good time to bring that forward is before the case is filed. Once it's filed it takes on a life of its own.
The fines and fees will probably be more than $600, but that's probably around the ballpark. It could even be more though. That's why I asked if he has money. But seriously, this will NEVER go away, even if it's later expunged and the like. Someone will ALWAYS be able to find it if he's convicted. The internet never disappears. So to me, in my financial situation (which I recognize may not be the same as others on this board), I would seriously not hesitate to get a lawyer now and try to head off a filing if possible. It's a no brainer.$600 is a way low ball figure. More like $500 for the actual fine, but around $4000 in what they call penalty assessments which is a de facto fine imposed by the court for being incovenienced to hear your case. This is on top of the legal costs for your defense.
Defense Lawyer
02-26-16, 19:56
$600 is a way low ball figure. More like $500 for the actual fine, but around $4000 in what they call penalty assessments which is a de facto fine imposed by the court for being incovenienced to hear your case. This is on top of the legal costs for your defense.I haven't done a case like this in a long time. Used to be the fine was $150 plus penalty assessments. That ended up being about 500. I think it's more now but don't know exactly. Used to be penalty assessments was about 3 times the cost of the fine, now I think it's 4. There are other fees as well. 500 may be low, but $4 k is way overblown.
But regardless, if you can come up with the cash, it's worth investing a few grand to avoid a filing in the first place.
I haven't done a case like this in a long time. Used to be the fine was $150 plus penalty assessments. That ended up being about 500. I think it's more now but don't know exactly. Used to be penalty assessments was about 3 times the cost of the fine, now I think it's 4. There are other fees as well. 500 may be low, but $4 k is way overblown.
But regardless, if you can come up with the cash, it's worth investing a few grand to avoid a filing in the first place.In 1987 the fine was $250, the penalty assessment was $2,500 plus a separate court fee of $1500 in Hollywood Division. I somehow doubt the cost has gone down.
Always get a lawyer when dealing with charges, even if seemingly small.
You need a lawyer to at least avoid having to register as sex offender. That will likely make you lose your job or not be able to find another.
Good lunck!
-Shark-.You can get the sex offender rap laid on you these days for being caught taking a leak on your own property.
BenderOver
03-23-16, 20:49
$600 is a way low ball figure. More like $500 for the actual fine, but around $4000 in what they call penalty assessments which is a de facto fine imposed by the court for being incovenienced to hear your case. This is on top of the legal costs for your defense.Depends on the county that the courtroom is in. Some counties are more because there are bonds still out there to keep the courtrooms in good repair. But the penalties are about 3 x's the fine.
They pay for various state services, such as fish and games, restitution fund, peace officers training fund, driver training fund, corrections training fund, public prosecutor and defender fund, victim / witness assistet, traumatic brain injury, courtroom security officers, etc.
Then add extra penalties authorized by the penal code for traffic violations in construction zones.
If LE observes an individual leaving a suspected AMP, is there any legal concern for that individual? Would LE use that individual's license plate to try to identify the individual if the AMP is under investigation?
If LE observes an individual leaving a suspected AMP, is there any legal concern for that individual? Would LE use that individual's license plate to try to identify the individual if the AMP is under investigation?AMP stands for Asian massage parlor. Massages are not illegal. Yes, you could be interviewed. But, don't every lie. Does say you don't want to discuss it. Most people lie or volunteer more information than they should. You don't need nor should discuss. Police go after low hanging fruit. Know your rights and you won't get picked.
If LE observes an individual leaving a suspected AMP, is there any legal concern for that individual? Would LE use that individual's license plate to try to identify the individual if the AMP is under investigation?If they are under investigation or le is doing uc? Yes, they will log all people who come in and out of the establishment and could take pics of all plates and or take pics or video people.
Who leave. They're building they case for when they get the okay from the judge or the to raid the location.
Wirelessone
09-20-16, 19:19
If LE observes an individual leaving a suspected AMP, is there any legal concern for that individual? Would LE use that individual's license plate to try to identify the individual if the AMP is under investigation?If after you leave the massage parlor you're pulled over by the police, ask them why are you being stopped, if they haven't told you upfront, and if it's related to your visit to the massage parlor, tell them you aren't comfortable answering those questions and you want to exercise your right to remain silent. If you are told that you're not under arrest,we just have some questions and we'll let you go, restate your right to remain silent cause the police just lied to you.
If you admit to criminal behavior, you will be arrested.
To answer your question, of course the police can make note of your license plate, doesn't matter if its in the parking lot of 7-11 or a massage parlor. When you travel within the public roadways, you don't have any right of privacy, it's what allows police to run DUI checkpoints, it's a public roadway.
Bottom line, if stopped shut up. Shutting up doesn't meant you won't be arrested but giving no information to the police about your illegal activity goes a long way towards keeping you from being convicted of a crime.
Wired.
BuddhaHead
09-20-16, 23:23
If LE observes an individual leaving a suspected AMP, is there any legal concern for that individual? Would LE use that individual's license plate to try to identify the individual if the AMP is under investigation?That is not a tactic that LE uses if they want to bust an AMP, as it really doesn't yield any usable "evidence", since they don't know and have no evidence of any illegal activities just from observing people going in and out of an AMP. They either have to setup a sting to catch johns for solicitation, or pose as customers, or break in to an AMP and catch them in the act. Another common tactic is to check if all workers have legitimate massage licenses, but that is just a business violation, not a criminal act. Usually, they don't investigate an AMP unless they get complaints (usually from neighboring businesses) about the alleged activity going on. I have never heard of anyone get arrested for being observed going in and out of an AMP, because that in itself, is not illegal. You can probably search news in the area where your AMPs are located and find out about any busts, since the news will usually publicize such events. You will see it's very rare that customers get busted due to the circumstances described above. Unless the masseuses or customers admit to performing an illegal activity, then there is insufficient evidence (unless they were caught or there is DNA remaining) to arrest anyone.
Any information you provide can and will be used against you. They arent pulling you over because they want to be your friend.
If they plan on arresting you, talking will not get you out of it and talking will only make it worse.
Bronsonator
09-21-16, 21:00
Any information you provide can and will be used against you. They arent pulling you over because they want to be your friend.
If they plan on arresting you, talking will not get you out of it and talking will only make it worse.This!!
I know cops aren't always the brightest, but generally they are not stupid either. They are pretty good at what they are doing. They have very good bullshit-detectors. They spend years reading and judging people. Agree with Akara. Be polite, be civil, and only answer questions by asking, "Am I being detained?" If the answer is "no," say, "Thank you" and leave. If the answer is "yes," then you do have to identify yourself if requested, but that is all you have to do. You do not have to say or admit to anything else.
Member #5596
01-16-18, 21:11
That's what you say. The problem is that the cops will write in their report that they observed the female fellating your organ. They don't care about lying, because they assume that a judge and / or a jury is going to believe them because they are cops. A good lawyer can bargain it down to a solicitation charge that won't require you to register as a sex offender. The fine is expensive, the penalty assessment cost is even worse, and you might have to take an HIV class. You definitely need a lawyer.If I arrange a car date with a provider online or over text and drive to a quiet secluded area away from prying eyes. But somehow the cops DO happen upon us mid act. Will they ticket us for having sex in public or try to get us for prostitution? I'd have a hard time believing they'd have the evidence needed to get us for hooking, but not sure how that works.
Asking because I may starting doing car dates on the regular. And to be clear I never, ever, deal with streetwalkers. These are escort girls making an exception and meeting me at my car. Thanks.
Christophe1
01-16-18, 23:34
If I arrange a car date with a provider online or over text and drive to a quiet secluded area away from prying eyes. But somehow the cops DO happen upon us mid act. Will they ticket us for having sex in public or try to get us for prostitution? I'd have a hard time believing they'd have the evidence needed to get us for hooking, but not sure how that works.
Asking because I may starting doing car dates on the regular. And to be clear I never, ever, deal with streetwalkers. These are escort girls making an exception and meeting me at my car. Thanks.Lewd acts. In LA everything is costing too much. If you get caught in coitus it will cost you slightly under $1000. If you get charged with a misdemeanor charge of sex with an escort (never mind). You got caught with your bare never seen by sun butt humping in the air. My guess is that it is going to be about the same. You got caught. Your primary concern should be if you have any position that will be compromised by acts of moral turpitude.
You can still get away with things but play it more careful to maintain your life and style.
DonkeyKwan87
01-31-20, 17:02
Been an avid kgirl user for the last two years. Unfortunately I keep deleting my account in hopes I can get over my habit but I can't. I have a question.
If LE somehow gets the phone number from a provider which is linked to the agency. What ramifications will it be for us mongers? They will see I have texted requesting for a girl, a time, and questions like "msog?
I understand they need to witness the act in order to fully press charges but I am just curious due to the patriots owner who wasn't actually caught but they have video surveillance. Can they hastle me for the text between me and an agency? They want have pics of me entering and leaving. I know I can say "I just wanted to talk" but how would I explain "msog?
Thanks for the help fellas.
Been an avid kgirl user for the last two years. Unfortunately I keep deleting my account in hopes I can get over my habit but I can't. I have a question.
If LE somehow gets the phone number from a provider which is linked to the agency. What ramifications will it be for us mongers? They will see I have texted requesting for a girl, a time, and questions like "msog?
I understand they need to witness the act in order to fully press charges but I am just curious due to the patriots owner who wasn't actually caught but they have video surveillance. Can they hastle me for the text between me and an agency? They want have pics of me entering and leaving. I know I can say "I just wanted to talk" but how would I explain "msog?
Thanks for the help fellas.They don't need to witness the act to get in trouble. Also, if you use a burner phone and not "you're" personal one should be fine.
Read up on the Bellevue shakedown in Wash state. Or google "The loeg seattle".
Been an avid kgirl user for the last two years. Unfortunately I keep deleting my account in hopes I can get over my habit but I can't. I have a question.
If LE somehow gets the phone number from a provider which is linked to the agency. What ramifications will it be for us mongers? They will see I have texted requesting for a girl, a time, and questions like "msog?
I understand they need to witness the act in order to fully press charges but I am just curious due to the patriots owner who wasn't actually caught but they have video surveillance. Can they hastle me for the text between me and an agency? They want have pics of me entering and leaving. I know I can say "I just wanted to talk" but how would I explain "msog?
Thanks for the help fellas.Google "The loeg seattle ".
The League of Extraordinary Retards.
LOL.
DonkeyKwan87
02-01-20, 03:00
They don't need to witness the act to get in trouble. Also, if you use a burner phone and not "you're" personal one should be fine.
Read up on the Bellevue shakedown in Wash state. Or google "The loeg seattle".Oh than I am definitely screwed since I use my personal phone.
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