Lingerie Shops

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[Horny Yankee]

Okay lingerie thread is back. Anyone here been to one recently? I'm planning on going to one for my birthday in a few weeks. Since they are closing every massage parlor in town, what other choices are there?

[Tampa Monger]

Okay lingerie thread is back. Anyone here been to one recently? I'm planning on going to one for my birthday in a few weeks. Since they are closing every massage parlor in town, what other choices are there?

Jesus, man. I don't have a clue. Like I said in the deleted thread, the late '90s was a better time for that. I don't know anymore. I'd try Drew Park.

Looks like you may have to take one for the team.

[Toeman]

Okay lingerie thread is back. Anyone here been to one recently? I'm planning on going to one for my birthday in a few weeks. Since they are closing every massage parlor in town, what other choices are there?Be careful, HY. IMO the lingerie shops right now are, for the most part, bad news. 40 rose room fee and 100 rose minimum tip just to get you started seems to be the norm, and the girls don't look that good.

The AMP between Westshore and Kennedy is still open; always has pretty asian girls, and the prices are reasonable.

Hope this helps!

Toeman

[Bad Way 74]

I agree with the previous post. Lingerie shops have been for the most part, a real ripoff. Body Talk in Drew Park is the last one I've been to. A few years ago, they had these real hot piece named Natasha, who would do FS for about $200 (included room fee), but she's long gone. Now, a CBJ will run you about $150 there, and FS is offered for about double that.

Avoid Variety's. Few months ago got promised I would leave fully satisfied, but $180 later (after room fee), all I got was a HJ, and she wouldn't even let me do anything to her.

Still wondering about Xposed Playmates, they gotta couple hotties, particularly Megan, who I wouldn't mind taking a dip in. Anybody tried this place out yet? If so, any feedback on services from Megan?

[Horny Yankee]

I agree with the previous post. Lingerie shops have been for the most part, a real ripoff. Body Talk in Drew Park is the last one I've been to. A few years ago, they had these real hot piece named Natasha, who would do FS for about $200 (included room fee), but she's long gone. Now, a CBJ will run you about $150 there, and FS is offered for about double that.

Avoid Variety's. Few months ago got promised I would leave fully satisfied, but $180 later (after room fee), all I got was a HJ, and she wouldn't even let me do anything to her.

Still wondering about Xposed Playmates, they gotta couple hotties, particularly Megan, who I wouldn't mind taking a dip in. Anybody tried this place out yet? If so, any feedback on services from Megan?I have been to exposed, a little over a year ago. Had f s from some blonde girl. Forgot what I paid her but it was around $250. I have driven by body talk a few times. But I have never gone in there. I have been to 5 lingerie shops. Exposed 1 time. The lengend 1 time. Facade 2 times. Playmates near ybor 1 time. And variety"s 1 time. Had a good time at all. Exept the lengend, avoid it if you can. Facade and exposed seems to be the best in prices and service.

[UranIdiot]

Anyone seen our own local movie star Jessie James lately? She was working at a lingerie place east of Dale Mabry just south of the stadium a few years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessie_James_(Porn_Star)

[Fla Monger II]

Anyone seen our own local movie star Jessie James lately? She was working at a lingerie place east of Dale Mabry just south of the stadium a few years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessie_James_(Porn_Star)

I've never seen her professionally, but have always wanted to...she was the shit back in the day...however...

Last year I was with out having dinner with a customer and co-worker at TGI Fridays on Brice B Downs in New Tampa. Lo and behold...who walks in but Jessie James. She was with what I am guessing was her family, a group of about 6-8 people that included at least one kid. I was a little flummoxed...here sat the focus of many of my masturbatory fantasies, not 20 feet from me...and I was hamstrung by being in a situation where I couldn't do anything about it.

Oh well...they ate, we ate, I left before she did, even though I honestly tried to string the dinner out as long as I could...

[Horny Yankee]

I've never seen her professionally, but have always wanted to. She was the shit back in the day. However.

Last year I was with out having dinner with a customer and co-worker at TGI Fridays on Brice be Downs in New Tampa. Lo and behold. Who walks in but Jessie James. She was with what I am guessing was her family, a group of about 6-8 people that included at least one kid. I was a little flummoxed. Here sat the focus of many of my masturbatory fantasies, not 20 feet from me. And I was hamstrung by being in a situation where I couldn't do anything about it.

Oh well. They ate, we ate, I left before she did, even though I honestly tried to string the dinner out as long as I could.I heard she worked at a lingerie shop a while ago. I think it was facade. There were some post here about her. Most of them said she does not give f s. Just a very expensive h j. But if she works in tampa which one is it. Or is she retired.

[Tampa Cowboy]

I saw Jesse at Facade a couple of years ago. Amazing Body, but no FS. She would oil up and do this body slide type deal. She did allow you to touch her anywhere, but no penetration of any type, and no oral. Decent HJ, but I would have like more. Don't really do the lingerie scene anymore. I prefer regular escorts, they tend to be more reliable.

[UranIdiot]

I saw Jesse at Facade a couple of years ago. Amazing Body, but no FS. She would oil up and do this body slide type deal. She did allow you to touch her anywhere, but no penetration of any type, and no oral. Decent HJ, but I would have like more. Don't really do the lingerie scene anymore. I prefer regular escorts, they tend to be more reliable.

She worked at a place on Osborne? for a long time. Anyhow it was in Drew Park, just east of that two story place. Then later at that place east of Dale Mabry. The one time I saw her it included oral for $$ and a hint that fs was available for more $$.

[Member #4167]

In 1996, right about the time Jessie was starting to make a name for herself in the video biz but while she was still working as a lingerie model in Tampa, a group of us hired her to perform at a bachelor party. Stunning body. She brought a younger assistant with her, and for the grand finale of the evening, she and her little friend did each other with a glow-in-the-dark double-sided dildo. Excellent show.

My personal highlight from this particular girl-on-girl episode was the fact that while she and her friend were doing each other (Jessie was lying on her back on an ottoman, legs spread wide apart), she placed her petite right foot into my lap as I sat on the couch. Every now and then, she'd rub my throbbing cock through my Dockers -- I don't know whether she was doing it on purpose, but I didn't care.

Some of you know I have a foot thing, so you can guess this was heaven on earth for me. I gently gave her a footrub during the session and she kept clenching her toes on every stroke from her friend. I even got a chance to give her sexy, pedicured toes a discreet nibble or two. If I weren't in a hotel suite with 25 other friends and coworkers, I easily could have added my own special moisturizing cream to the situation. :)

Ah, memories. Jessie lives in Lutz, by the way, so you can see her along New Tampa's "restaurant row" frequently. I think she's about 40 years old now, which puts her in fine MILF form, if you ask me. I've seen her once or twice there myself ... sadly, she doesn't recognize me! If she's still working in town, I might just have to pay her a visit and finish what she started 10 years ago.

Cheers,

DL

[Bad Way 74]

Well, curiosity recently got the best of me, so I decided to try out Xposed for myself this past Saturday night. And WOW what a mistake, AGAIN!

Although a few of these girls are relatively hott, the prices are OUTRAGEOUS. $200 won't even get you a feel of the kitty. No touching rules which make the old 6-foot rules look risque. This girl Brittany had towels laid out everywhere and made you sanitize your hands before putting a finger on her--not IN HER--just anywhere on her!

Especially avoid Monica and Brittany. Although I wasn't going to throw around that kind of money, they made it SOUND like $400-$500 would get you a BJ---that's insane! If you pay that much for a BJ you either have money to set fire to, or you are really REALLY desperate. As drunk and down as I was that night, there wasn't anyway I would spend that. $200 down the drain, for pretty much nothing more than a chick rubbing her breasts all over me. I've gotten 10 times more mileage at strip clubs by hotter girls for $50-$60.

Are all these lingerie shops pretty much a PURE RIPOFF? (Assuming you're looking for something at least semi-attractive)

My third and FINAL lifetime experience at a lingerie shop. Hope some of you have better luck than me.

[BananaOil]

Are you talking about Xposed on Cayuga St. near the stadium? I had a decent time with Megan there.

[BananaOil]

Are you talking about Exposed on Cayuga St. near the stadium?

[Horny Yankee]

Well, curiosity recently got the best of me, so I decided to try out Xposed for myself this past Saturday night. And WOW what a mistake, AGAIN!

Although a few of these girls are relatively hott, the prices are OUTRAGEOUS. $200 won't even get you a feel of the kitty. No touching rules which make the old 6-foot rules look risque. This girl Brittany had towels laid out everywhere and made you sanitize your hands before putting a finger on her--not IN HER--just anywhere on her!

Especially avoid Monica and Brittany. Although I wasn't going to throw around that kind of money, they made it SOUND like $400-$500 would get you a BJ---that's insane! If you pay that much for a BJ you either have money to set fire to, or you are really REALLY desperate. As drunk and down as I was that night, there wasn't anyway I would spend that. $200 down the drain, for pretty much nothing more than a chick rubbing her breasts all over me. I've gotten 10 times more mileage at strip clubs by hotter girls for $50-$60.

Are all these lingerie shops pretty much a PURE RIPOFF? (Assuming you're looking for something at least semi-attractive)

My third and FINAL lifetime experience at a lingerie shop. Hope some of you have better luck than me.Well prices might be going thru the roof at some of these lingerie shops. The first rule I go by when I go to one, is never go on a fri or sat night. The reason is most men go there on those nights. The women will charge you double there normal rates. I prefer to go during the week days like on wensday or thursdaay afternoon. The other thing I try to do is talk to the girl first, before I give her any money at all, and tell her that I am looking for f s. And what I am willing to pay. No way I am willing to pay over $300 for everything. Including the door fee. One time I was at the lengend, and the girl I was with said I could not touch her at all, this is after I paid her for the half hour and the door fee, we all no what comes next. The tipping part. , I told her I whould give her $150. And no more than that. For f s I wanted to keep it under $300 all together since she was not the best looking women there. So she said she whould only dance for me, and I could not touch her. I said okay fine. I got pissed told her there are other places around here you no. We are in drew park. , you already got more than a hundred dollars from me already. So then I told her either settle on the money I offered you or send a different girl in here. So she finally gave in. We agreed on $150 dollars for f s. The sex was not the greatest, but not the worst I have had. But if you guys here, decide to go to one of lingerie shops in drew park. Please don't pay a huge amount. Prices are high enough already as it is. The girl I was with that time. Goes by the name of kayla kiss. I think she works at facade now, please stay away from her. She seems mentally challeged.

[UranIdiot]

My personal highlight .... she placed her petite right foot into my lap as I sat on the couch. Every now and then, she'd rub my throbbing cock through my Dockers -- I don't know whether she was doing it on purpose, but I didn't care.

Some of you know I have a foot thing, so you can guess this was heaven on earth for me. I gently gave her a footrub during the session and she kept clenching her toes on every stroke from her friend. I even got a chance to give her sexy, pedicured toes a discreet nibble or two. If I weren't in a hotel suite with 25 other friends and coworkers, I easily could have added my own special moisturizing cream to the situation. :)
DL

I didn't mention that at the beginning of my session with Jessie she asked me if I wanted to suck her toes, said that was a big thing with her and many of her customers.

[Member #4167]

I didn't mention that at the beginning of my session with Jessie she asked me if I wanted to suck her toes, said that was a big thing with her and many of her customers.Indeed, and for good reason. :)

So did you?

[UranIdiot]

Indeed, and for good reason. :)

So did you?

She assured me her toes were clean. I think she wanted it or why bring it up? But I would have only tasted her toes as part of licking her all over, which didn't happen.

[Member #4167]

She assured me her toes were clean. I think she wanted it or why bring it up? But I would have only tasted her toes as part of licking her all over, which didn't happen.I'm not sure I would have had your restraint, my friend.

That's interesting about her wanting it. It makes sense. When her bachelor party show was over, she stood up, placed her foot on my knee, leaned over, kissed me on the top of the head and smiled very broadly at me. I didn't think much about it until now. Now it all makes sense.

Just so everyone knows who we're talking about, here's a photo found on the web. I figured everyone would appreciate the visual.

[Snook]

I don't check the Tampa board very often but noticed the recent thread about Jessee James. She worked at Facade for a few years. She advertised in Night Moves (I think that is the name of the mag). She has been married for a long time and her husband approves of her line of work. I saw her 3 times in a year and a half stretch when I made it to Tampa. This was about 3 years ago.

She was awesome. Each session was $300, not including the room fee, but very well worth it. DATY and BBBJ with swallow each time. Lots of kissing and fondling as well. Lot of cash for a BJ, but how often do you have a legit porn star doing that. Still best BJ ever.... wonder if she is still around? May have to go to Tampa!

Happy hunting.
Snook

[Doctor Beaver]

Anyone here been to facade lately. I checked out there website, says they have a jacuzzi and a shower in that place. Anyone no what they normally charge. http://www.facade-tampa.com/vip.shtml

[Legalize it]

I stopped in Facade in Nov. Cierra looked better in person than in the mag ads. But she was asking about $40 room fee + $120 I think. That was just to get in a back room. I changed my mind and left. I thought they used to be cheaper.

Xposed has some hot girls in their ads in V2 & Nightmoves, & a coupon for no room fee.

[Gatordun]

Can anyone give me any info on The Executive? What can one expect and how much they charge.

Thanks

[Willy Wonka]

Any news on the Lingerie Shop in Clearwater. On vacation and was interested in stopping in. Any help would be appreciated.

[Tampa Bum]

The question of rates for these places keeps coming up, so in the interest of saving everybody time, here we go:

Tampa shop rates are pretty damned uniform, with a few exceptions. It's .20-.30 room fee, and tipping usually starts out at about $$, for which you will probably have to handle Mr. Happy yourself. $$ and .5 gets you some help, and generally $$$ will get you well taken care of. The prices aren't firm, and can be negotiated a bit, particularly if the girl in question is coming to the end of her shift and hasn't made her tip-out. The stand out exceptions are Aquarius at the low end, which is still a flat $160 and pretty much a sure thing, and a couple of places where you're pretty much going to have to shell out $$$$+ to see any action (Xposed and Legend come to mind).

YMMV in any shop, and if the girl feels like she can get more cash out of you, she definitely going to try. Also, if you show up drunk, unshowered, or acting like an asshole, you more than likely not going to get what you came for. There is also always the occasional rip-off artist who will never, ever give up the goods. I haven't run into one in a while, but they are out there.

If you aren't sure what's on the menu, ask, but do it in a smart way. If the girl thinks you're a cop, you're going to get a lingerie show and nothing else.

Hopefully, this helps a bit.

[Horny Yankee]

The question of rates for these places keeps coming up, so in the interest of saving everybody time, here we go:

Tampa shop rates are pretty damned uniform, with a few exceptions. It's .20-.30 room fee, and tipping usually starts out at about $$, for which you will probably have to handle Mr. Happy yourself. $$ and .5 gets you some help, and generally $$$ will get you well taken care of. The prices aren't firm, and can be negotiated a bit, particularly if the girl in question is coming to the end of her shift and hasn't made her tip-out. The stand out exceptions are Aquarius at the low end, which is still a flat $160 and pretty much a sure thing, and a couple of places where you're pretty much going to have to shell out $$$$+ to see any action (Xposed and Legend come to mind).

YMMV in any shop, and if the girl feels like she can get more cash out of you, she definitely going to try. Also, if you show up drunk, unshowered, or acting like an asshole, you more than likely not going to get what you came for. There is also always the occasional rip-off artist who will never, ever give up the goods. I haven't run into one in a while, but they are out there.

If you aren't sure what's on the menu, ask, but do it in a smart way. If the girl thinks you're a cop, you're going to get a lingerie show and nothing else.

Hopefully, this helps a bit.I agree with you on that, play it smart. Don't show up drunk, or walk in there smelling like shit. Try talking to the women first. They usually walk you into a different room and ask you what you are looking for. Or when I go there they do. Just tell the girl your with, what you are willing to spend. Please don't spend to much. And drive the prices up.

[BananaOil]

If $$ means $200 and $$$ means $300, that doesn't jive with my experience in Tampa. Around $40 for the room, $100 for HJ (her hand) $200-$300 for all the way.

[Tampa Monger]

The question of rates for these places keeps coming up, so in the interest of saving everybody time, here we go:

Tampa shop rates are pretty damned uniform, with a few exceptions. It's .20-.30 room fee, and tipping usually starts out at about $$, for which you will probably have to handle Mr. Happy yourself. $$ and .5 gets you some help, and generally $$$ will get you well taken care of. The prices aren't firm, and can be negotiated a bit, particularly if the girl in question is coming to the end of her shift and hasn't made her tip-out. The stand out exceptions are Aquarius at the low end, which is still a flat $160 and pretty much a sure thing, and a couple of places where you're pretty much going to have to shell out $$$$+ to see any action (Xposed and Legend come to mind).

YMMV in any shop, and if the girl feels like she can get more cash out of you, she definitely going to try. Also, if you show up drunk, unshowered, or acting like an asshole, you more than likely not going to get what you came for. There is also always the occasional rip-off artist who will never, ever give up the goods. I haven't run into one in a while, but they are out there.

If you aren't sure what's on the menu, ask, but do it in a smart way. If the girl thinks you're a cop, you're going to get a lingerie show and nothing else.

Hopefully, this helps a bit.

What's ridiculous about these prices is that there are drop-dead gorgeous escorts out there who will rock your world for $$$ easily. I know some who give great service for $$, but aren't quite as hot. Lingerie shops just don't seem like a good deal to me.

[Legalize it]

If $$ means $200 and $$$ means $300, that doesn't jive with my experience in Tampa. Around $40 for the room, $100 for HJ (her hand) $200-$300 for all the way.In my experience these prices by Bananaoil are similar to what I have encountered at the popular shops in Tampa. I have not seen those much higher prices mentioned here by others. Of course, YMMV. Perhaps if the girl is smokin hot, is totally turned off by a guy, and it's a busy weekend night, maybe the price goes up. If they are not busy on a weekday and she isn't making any money, maybe the price is lower.

[Prof Self Help]

Well, lingerie models or escorts cannot be blamed for all this. They know that men who visit them are extremely willing to handover a load of cash. They have seen time and time again that ripping off people does not slow their business. Being illegal, all cash and without any contract helps a lot. People need to VOTE WITH THEIR WALLETS instead of with their opinions.

I think of it this way - if we knew that we could get away with not doing our job at work or business, would we ever do our job well ? If we came late to work, and the boss never told anything, would we ever care to go to work on time ?

So instead of experimenting on an on and wasting money trying to find that one needle in the haystack, I have come to realise that MASTURBATION IS THE BEST POLICY. One has to experiment with different methods ( just like one experiments with different models ) and see the method that is best for one - OR ACCEPT RIPOFFS. One will still find the need for a woman, but it will be much less frequent.

[UranIdiot]

Any news on the Lingerie Shop in Clearwater. On vacation and was interested in stopping in. Any help would be appreciated.

If you're talking about Fantasy in Lingerie on GtoB, best advice is go to the newsstand buy a few magazines, go to the drug store and get some hand lotion, go to your room and jerk off. It will be a much better experience.

It's been posted about many times.

[Dodger Bulldog]

So instead of experimenting on an on and wasting money trying to find that one needle in the haystack, I have come to realise that MASTURBATION IS THE BEST POLICY. One has to experiment with different methodsAgreed.

However, there is another alternative. Save the money that you would waste here and use it to buy a plane ticket to one of the Latin countries.

You can easily get laid for $30 - $50 by chicas who are younger, better looking, and far more accomodating than what we find here. The chances off getting ripped off there are infinitesimal compared to the U.S.

And it is all legal.

Go to Jackson's other board, ISG, to check it out.

DB

[Doctor Beaver]

Agreed.

However, there is another alternative. Save the money that you would waste here and use it to buy a plane ticket to one of the Latin countries.

You can easily get laid for $30 - $50 by chicas who are younger, better looking, and far more accomodating than what we find here. The chances off getting ripped off there are infinitesimal compared to the U.S.

And it is all legal.

Go to Jackson's other board, ISG, to check it out.

DBWell it is easy for some people to leave the country for that. Some of us are married and can't go. Some of us work alot of hours or don't have enough vacation time to go out of the country for some action.

[BananaOil]

Xposed had a customer appreciation party today. In fact there is still a half hour to go till it ends at 8: 00pm. Almost all of the girls pictured in the NightMoves ad are sitting there lined up on the sofas like an old fashioned cat house. No room fee, but this place ain't cheap when it comes to tips for the girls. I chose Carmen which turned out to be a mistake. She had a semi shitty attitude and very poor ball handling skills.

[Legalize it]

You should have chose Barbie. She is a real sweetheart and hot too.


Xposed had a customer appreciation party today. In fact there is still a half hour to go till it ends at 8: 00pm. Almost all of the girls pictured in the NightMoves ad are sitting there lined up on the sofas like an old fashioned cat house. No room fee, but this place ain't cheap when it comes to tips for the girls. I chose Carmen which turned out to be a mistake. She had a semi shitty attitude and very poor ball handling skills.

[BananaOil]

I don't think she was there the time. A few weeks ago I had a good time with Megan. Great natural knockers. Both Megan and Carmen wanted $200 just for a HJ.

[Legalize it]

$200 for a HJ? WTF! That's insane. I hope nobody is actually paying that much. I will remember not to pick those girls.

Has anyone met Mariah at Primative? She looks hot in the V2 magazine.

[Bad Way 74]

I don't think she was there the time. A few weeks ago I had a good time with Megan. Great natural knockers. Both Megan and Carmen wanted $200 just for a HJ.X-POSED is a the biggest rip-off I've ever encountered. A few years ago I got a great HJ and shower from this real hottie named Lena (or something like that) from THE LEGEND in Drew Park for about $150, and I thought THAT WAS A RIP-OFF, but X-POSED takes that to a whole other level. Some of these girls in here actually quoted prices of $200 or higher for HJ, $500-1K for F. S. Who are the asswipes actually paying for this? There are maybe only a few actresses in Hollywood--and only MAYBE--I would pay that kind of money too. Even if I was making six-figures, there's just no way, simply because I know what I can get (and you should too!) for much less.

[Drew Park]

$200 for a HJ? WTF! That's insane. I hope nobody is actually paying that much. I will remember not to pick those girls. Has anyone met Mariah at Primative? She looks hot in the V2 magazine.Well, if you go see her then expect to be hit up for those "insane" prices. Almost all of those hot babes in V2 and Nightmoves command high prices.

[BananaOil]

After paying the door fee, my experience has been that $100 will get the girl naked and stroking your gadget. Everywhere, but Xposed, that is. Both times at Xposed. I got "comfortable" and put a see note on the table. Both Megan and Carmen came back in, saw the $100 and said it wasn't enough. I used sign language to indicate that I only expected a HJ and Megan came right out and told me it wasn't enough after she picked it up, of course. I added another $50 and she stripped down to her panties. I said, "Yo, how bout takin off them purty panties", and that cost me another $40. So it was $190 to get her nekkid and jackin and it was worth it. Same basic deal with Carmen, but she had a shitty attitude and needs to watch a video or something, so she can learn how to give a decent HJ.

[Horny Yankee]

Went to Xposed Playmates today around 6pm. The girl who opened the door was really smoking hot. She said her name was carmen. Blonde hair fake boobs, real young girl. Anyway had FS from her. And a BJ. I am embarass to say what I paid. Lets just say way to much. She is not very GFE friendly this girl. She whould not let me suck or touch her boobs. Said they were new. But I did pound her doggie style for a while. And she rode me for a good while before I popped. But I whould advise anyone here to stay away. Prices have gone way up in the last year or so. I also went to the playhouse. no ladies in there at all. Then earlier today I went in showgirls in valrico. Drinks in there are pretty cheap. A few good looking ones in there. I'll have to try that place out later at night.

[BananaOil]

Yeah, that's the Carmen I saw. Very pretty tall slim young blond with new boobs which she said were tender to the touch. How bout telling us how much you spent. Isn't that the point of all this?

[Trendz Tampa]

Made the mistake 240 times for a crappy handshake. Dont go with Misty. She starts, stops, starts, stops. UGH, it was awful! I wont be going back there ever. Tried to hustle me for my phone number. I told her she was out of her mind! Lessons learned gentlemen.


Went to xposed playmates today around 6pm. The girl who opened the door was really smoking hot. She said her name was carmen. Blonde hair fake boobs, real young girl. Anyway had f s from her. And a be j. I am embarass to say what I paid. Lets just say way to much. She is not very g f e friendly this girl. She whould not let me suck or touch her boobs. Said they were new. But I did pound her doggie style for a while. And she rode me for a good while before I popped. But I whould advise anyone here to stay away. Prices have gone way up in the last year or so.

[Dodger Bulldog]

Has anyone met Mariah at Primative? She looks hot in the V2 magazine.I saw Mariah when she worked at another place. The photos are very old, and she has put on a ton of weight around the middle. I walked away from it.

Quite frankly, the vast majority of the ads in V2 and Night Moves are total ripoffs. Old photos, different girls, cash and dash. The chance of finding a girl who doesn't leave you feeling completely ripped off must exist, but, in my experience, is infinitesimal.

DB

[Bad Way 74]

Gentlemen,

The lingerie shops in the Tampa Bay area are a complete and total ripoff. To get any sort of real action you will often times have to spend in the $500 to $1K range, which is laughable to me, maybe not if you are Bill Gates. Even with that kind of money, do NOT expect a porn-star type of session, which is what amazes me. You can actually get a PORN STAR for the kind of money these girls want for their crappy time and effort. Are these girls stupid? I guess maybe not if there are guys even dumber out there who are actually paying top dollar for bottom-level service. Don't be a fool, STAY AWAY FROM LINGERIE SHOPS. This is all just my experience, YMMV but not by much I'm willing to bet.

[Sweaty Balls]

Primative on Busch has anyone been? Any Feedback?

[Spaceman Spiff]

I mentioned in a post about Fantasyland theater a few days ago that I really didn't mind not getting any action there because the whole Drew Park area seemed to have a lingerie brothel on every corner, and I could get some action on my way back to the hotel.

I've been meaning to expand on that in a post, and have had one request for the info as well. Unfortunately, of the three stops I made, two of them were chosen only on the basis that I saw them and hadn't been there yet. I'm going to have to guess what those two were.

The first lingerie stop I made was at "Xposed Lingerie Modeling" at 4010 West Cayuga. They were advertising the heck out of themselves in the Feburary "Nightmoves", and in fact each ad had a coupon for waiving the house fee. Don't know if they are doing that this month, but you should check and see since that's a $40 or $50 (I forget) break. I went by about 4AM, and did not get a lineup, but the girl who met me at the door was attractive. She laid out some clean towels on the couch and informed me of the prices. As I had heard, they were pretty dear, with $300 being required for FS. However, I'm not a haggler, and was on vacation, so I had no problem paying out. After a little foreplay to get me up, she covered me and did a brief oral, I let her choose her preference for the FS position, and she chose me on top. I'm no teenager, and when I'm wearing a condom, I can sometimes have trouble if the girl isn't tight. No problem here, as she was very tight, and knew how to work it. (I noticed this at all three stops in fact. Maybe Tampa girls take classes?). After things came to a happy conclusion, she had wipes to clean me up, and we made small talk for a few minutes. She seemed to have a middle class outlook (except for the being willing to have sex for money thing) and some education. Not a GF experience, but nice. At no point did the girl raise the subject of lingerie, so I guess she didn't feel the need to disemble at 4am.

The next night I choose another place more or less by chance. Looking through the "Night Moves" I brought home isn't helping much. It might have been "Body Talk" at 4614 N. Hubert Avenue, but I can't be sure. Essentially, the experience was nearly identical: Tight/skilled girl, same price.

I can't tell you much about where I ended up on the final night I was there either, though I can describe to some extent where it was (and I think I could find it again). If you go down Lois street from Fantasyland towards Martin Luther King, and look to the left, this place will be on the left (north side) of one of the streets which parallels MLK. I believe it is on a corner lot one street east of Lois. Sorry that's the best I can do. At any rate, this was the best of the lot. It started out about the same, but the girl took the time to talk and ask about my turn ons etc. I mentioned that I liked to see girls get together, and she volunteered to enlist a friend of hers for a two girl session. (no room fee, but still full price for the girl). I accepted, and she brought the second girl in. They played at sucking each others tits and fingering each other's pussies, then took turns going down on me and fucking me. While one fucked me, the other would DFK, which was a first at any of the three places. Expensive! but very nice.

Spaceman Spiff

[Nickick]

Well I went to a new club this weekend. It was called corporate tails I have been seeing them advertise alot the last few months so I went there to see what the fuss was all about. I was greeted by a long hair beauty whom showed me to a room. She placed some towels on the couch then started to proceed wit a session. She was soft and sentual. After alittle time we then poceeded into a FS session. Before i knew it i was doing another session wit her. WOW I will never forget it.

[Mike Wazowski]

Well I went to a new club this weekend. It was called corporate tails I have been seeing them advertise alot the last few months so I went there to see what the fuss was all about. I was greeted by a long hair beauty whom showed me to a room. She placed some towels on the couch then started to proceed wit a session. She was soft and sentual. After alittle time we then poceeded into a FS session. Before i knew it i was doing another session wit her. WOW I will never forget it.

Rest assured that the posters of this board do wish you continued enjoyment with your employment at Corporate Tails.

[Tampa Monger]

Rest assured that the posters of this board do wish you continued enjoyment with your employment at Corporate Tails.

hahahahahhahaha

That's all.

[Horny Yankee]

Well I went to a new club this weekend. It was called corporate tails I have been seeing them advertise alot the last few months so I went there to see what the fuss was all about. I was greeted by a long hair beauty whom showed me to a room. She placed some towels on the couch then started to proceed wit a session. She was soft and sentual. After alittle time we then poceeded into a FS session. Before i knew it i was doing another session wit her. WOW I will never forget it.Either you own corporate tails, or you work there, and you are trying to rake in some money. Corporate tails use to be exposed. word to the wise , lower the rates in the place. way to much money.

[Member #4558]

Well I went to a new club this weekend. It was called corporate tails I have been seeing them advertise alot the last few months so I went there to see what the fuss was all about. I was greeted by a long hair beauty whom showed me to a room. She placed some towels on the couch then started to proceed with a session. She was soft and sentual. After alittle time we then poceeded into a FS session. Before I knew it I was doing another session with her. WOW I will never forget it. That report was so cool! It just sent "shills" up and down my spine.

Come on guys, a little self promoting never hurt anyone. Won't do much for his business, but it won't hurt anyone.

[Romy Castle]

She has a web cam on the internet, if you search on google, you will find her website, I think is call iFriend , do not remember the rest but if you do some research on the internet, you will find it.

[NoJokers]

She has a web cam on the internet, if you search on google, you will find her website, I think is call iFriend , do not remember the rest but if you do some research on the internet, you will find it.I too was a huge fan of Jessie's. I even saw her once a few years ago at Facades. She was an incredible lady.

Anyone have any updates on her?

[Mr.Blaze]

Was in town last week and drove by what was Corporate Tail to find an Electic Contractor in the same location, What Happen to Tails???

[Jc2006]

Corporate Tails closed down.

Most of the girls who used to worked there went to Xposed or left the business.

[Max Doubt]

I am not sure if this is a lingerie shop or a message place. Has anyone have any info on it. It is on the corner of 50 and 7th.

[Drew Park]

I am not sure if this is a lingerie shop or a message place. Has anyone have any info on it. It is on the corner of 50 and 7th.

It used to be a lingerie shop.

Not sure if they take MESSAGES but they may offer MASSAGES :^)

[Horny Yankee]

I am not sure if this is a lingerie shop or a message place. Has anyone have any info on it. It is on the corner of 50 and 7th.Yes it is a lingerie shop. I went there about a year ago. The place is kinda small. Only one room in there. They had 2 women in there when I went there. They charge alot more than most shops, so you might want to avoid it.

[PussyFish]

Just wanted to pass on some information about the once always a sure thing Aquarius - apparently it is not anymore! I went by in the early afternoon and the only girl there was Mindy (possibly Melinda). She looked to be a mid 20s, white/hispanic mix. She was obviously a little overweight, had a gap in her teeth but appeared pleasant enough and I was looking for a quickie. Did the $160 flat fee and entered the room. She told me to get comfortable while she went outside for a few minutes.

Upon returning to the room she began to dance as I sat there naked. It was then that I saw just how horribly overweight and fugly she really was. She started giving me a "show" and stayed about 6 feet away from me. I was so disgusted by her slovenly, appearance that I couldn't even maintain wood. I was hoping that she would make up for it with some well developed oral skills. Well, that was not to be. She just kept dancing and rolling around on the floor like a whale - without ever getting close to me. Mind you that she was still dressed at this time, in some kind of skimpy outfit that showed off her bunt and extremely large ass. She then asked me if I was having a good time and I replied that "I hope to in a minute." That's when she told me that she doesn't get naked!?!? And this is at Aquarius! I said, "you're kidding me?" thinking she was going to try and upsell me but she didn't. She told me that she is only a private dancer/lingerie model and doesn't do nudity. I was flabbergasted! I reminded her that she worked at a known establishment for full service and she acted like she had no idea what she was talking about. I got pissed so I put on my clothes while she sat there telling me that she had just been doing this for about "4 months" and had no idea! She also told me that she is a dental assistant as well. This was one of the most complete rip offs I have ever encountered. And, having gone to Aquarius many times over the years I still cannot get over it. This girl was atrocious! She couldn't even get $40 on the stroll - much less $160 just to dance with her disgusting obesity - without fs! I told her that I would give a report online about this to which she angrilly said "Oh well, there have been others." I'm guessing that this big bertha moves around from place to place. Fellas, we need to vote with our pocketbooks so stay clear of Mindy or Melinda or whoever (Possibly even going to Aquarius) that deigns to rip us off. I hope this helps save someone out there. I would have expected upsells and rip offs at any of the other lingerie joints in Drew Park - but at least the girls would have been good looking to gorgeous. This monstrosity was horrific and I can't believe that I even thought about spending $160 on her - and for her to be a total ripoff as well was a complete smack in the face.

[BananaOil]

Thanks for the tip. I just crossed Aquarius off my list of places I might possibly go someday. I had the same experience at the joint on Gulf to Bay just West of Rt 19 in Clearwater. I think it might be called 'Fantasy in Lingerie' or some such shit. The girl gave me a box of tissues and some lotion and then started some sort of half assed partially clothed dance. It turns out the place is self service which I don't need. I was rightly pissed off and and actually was able to grab my $100 bill back from the thieving *****. I was still out the $40 door fee, but that's better than losing $140. My advice. Don't go there.

[Tampa Monger]

Lingerie shops just plain suck nowadays. Back in the late '90s and very early '00s, a good time could be had, particularly in Sarasota.

The nanny state do-gooders are cracking down on sex everywhere. It's probably some kind of trickle-down effect from the fact that the religious right, while not exactly in power, has strong influence in Washington.


Just wanted to pass on some information about the once always a sure thing Aquarius - apparently it is not anymore! I went by in the early afternoon and the only girl there was Mindy (possibly Melinda). She looked to be a mid 20s, white/hispanic mix. She was obviously a little overweight, had a gap in her teeth but appeared pleasant enough and I was looking for a quickie. Did the $160 flat fee and entered the room. She told me to get comfortable while she went outside for a few minutes.

Upon returning to the room she began to dance as I sat there naked. It was then that I saw just how horribly overweight and fugly she really was. She started giving me a "show" and stayed about 6 feet away from me. I was so disgusted by her slovenly, appearance that I couldn't even maintain wood. I was hoping that she would make up for it with some well developed oral skills. Well, that was not to be. She just kept dancing and rolling around on the floor like a whale - without ever getting close to me. Mind you that she was still dressed at this time, in some kind of skimpy outfit that showed off her bunt and extremely large ass. She then asked me if I was having a good time and I replied that "I hope to in a minute." That's when she told me that she doesn't get naked!?!? And this is at Aquarius! I said, "you're kidding me?" thinking she was going to try and upsell me but she didn't. She told me that she is only a private dancer/lingerie model and doesn't do nudity. I was flabbergasted! I reminded her that she worked at a known establishment for full service and she acted like she had no idea what she was talking about. I got pissed so I put on my clothes while she sat there telling me that she had just been doing this for about "4 months" and had no idea! She also told me that she is a dental assistant as well. This was one of the most complete rip offs I have ever encountered. And, having gone to Aquarius many times over the years I still cannot get over it. This girl was atrocious! She couldn't even get $40 on the stroll - much less $160 just to dance with her disgusting obesity - without fs! I told her that I would give a report online about this to which she angrilly said "Oh well, there have been others." I'm guessing that this big bertha moves around from place to place. Fellas, we need to vote with our pocketbooks so stay clear of Mindy or Melinda or whoever (Possibly even going to Aquarius) that deigns to rip us off. I hope this helps save someone out there. I would have expected upsells and rip offs at any of the other lingerie joints in Drew Park - but at least the girls would have been good looking to gorgeous. This monstrosity was horrific and I can't believe that I even thought about spending $160 on her - and for her to be a total ripoff as well was a complete smack in the face.

[Trendz Tampa]

Wow. I was there the other night when Mindy was working. I did not have a session with her but I have never experienced that! Sorry to hear that dude.


Just wanted to pass on some information about the once always a sure thing Aquarius - apparently it is not anymore! I went by in the early afternoon and the only girl there was Mindy (possibly Melinda). She looked to be a mid 20s, white/hispanic mix. She was obviously a little overweight, had a gap in her teeth but appeared pleasant enough and I was looking for a quickie. Did the $160 flat fee and entered the room. She told me to get comfortable while she went outside for a few minutes.

Upon returning to the room she began to dance as I sat there naked. It was then that I saw just how horribly overweight and fugly she really was. She started giving me a "show" and stayed about 6 feet away from me. I was so disgusted by her slovenly, appearance that I couldn't even maintain wood. I was hoping that she would make up for it with some well developed oral skills. Well, that was not to be. She just kept dancing and rolling around on the floor like a whale - without ever getting close to me. Mind you that she was still dressed at this time, in some kind of skimpy outfit that showed off her bunt and extremely large ass. She then asked me if I was having a good time and I replied that "I hope to in a minute." That's when she told me that she doesn't get naked!?!? And this is at Aquarius! I said, "you're kidding me?" thinking she was going to try and upsell me but she didn't. She told me that she is only a private dancer/lingerie model and doesn't do nudity. I was flabbergasted! I reminded her that she worked at a known establishment for full service and she acted like she had no idea what she was talking about. I got pissed so I put on my clothes while she sat there telling me that she had just been doing this for about "4 months" and had no idea! She also told me that she is a dental assistant as well. This was one of the most complete rip offs I have ever encountered. And, having gone to Aquarius many times over the years I still cannot get over it. This girl was atrocious! She couldn't even get $40 on the stroll - much less $160 just to dance with her disgusting obesity - without fs! I told her that I would give a report online about this to which she angrilly said "Oh well, there have been others." I'm guessing that this big bertha moves around from place to place. Fellas, we need to vote with our pocketbooks so stay clear of Mindy or Melinda or whoever (Possibly even going to Aquarius) that deigns to rip us off. I hope this helps save someone out there. I would have expected upsells and rip offs at any of the other lingerie joints in Drew Park - but at least the girls would have been good looking to gorgeous. This monstrosity was horrific and I can't believe that I even thought about spending $160 on her - and for her to be a total ripoff as well was a complete smack in the face.

[Member #4558]

Lingerie shops just plain suck nowadays. Back in the late '90s and very early '00s, a good time could be had, particularly in Sarasota.

The nanny state do-gooders are cracking down on sex everywhere. It's probably some kind of trickle-down effect from the fact that the religious right, while not exactly in power, has strong influence in Washington.

True. For, as we like to think, the most advanced society in the world, this country has serious problems dealing with sex. It's a shame that a few religious radicals can dictate policy. But then when you look at the leader of this country, it's really no big surprise.

[Kwdawson]

The crackdown on prostitution has to do with public outcry, because from my research the government and local police run or take money on the back side to leave these businesses alone, same as the drug trafficking in this country.

As for the religious nuts, history has shown that most radical religious leaders and radical religious politicans are up to more then having fun with a prostitute.

[Jasper 1860]

That is unfortunate about Aquarius. I was there recently (past 2-4 months) and had full service with a tall, buxom red head. She was probably early forties, but gave great head.

I hope Melinda or Mindy is an aberration.

[The Chronic]

True. For, as we like to think, the most advanced society in the world, this country has serious problems dealing with sex. It's a shame that a few religious radicals can dictate policy. But then when you look at the leader of this country, it's really no big surprise.I'm pretty sure there are more than a few religious folks out there.

We are the tiny, tiny minority, not them.

In the minds of LE they ARE enforcing laws.

It's best when we keep reality in perspective. We are the ones society thinks are the bad element, not the church goers...which make up the vast majority oif voters out there.

It's never going to change, so getting angry over it is just a waste of time.

[Drew Park]

She just kept dancing and rolling around on the floor like a whale - without ever getting close to me.Geee, you got the Sea World Shamu show at three times the price. Bummer.

[Member #4558]

It's never going to change, so getting angry over it is just a waste of time.I'm not getting angry. I just think that it is a shame that the cops waste valuable resources catering to the desires of the bible thumpers when there are real criminals they should be pursuing. Remember, I have been up close and personal with the boys in blue and I have seen how they can manipulate an investigation in order to get their names in the paper posing as heroes.

[PussyFish]

Geee, you got the Sea World Shamu show at three times the price. Bummer...Lol - I sure did Drew Park. Although I would have been more excited by the Shamu show I believe.

[Fhm2000]

I'm not getting angry. I just think that it is a shame that the cops waste valuable resources catering to the desires of the bible thumpers when there are real criminals they should be pursuing. Remember, I have been up close and personal with the boys in blue and I have seen how they can manipulate an investigation in order to get their names in the paper posing as heroes.This is why we as a community have to go out and vote.

[The Chronic]

I'm not getting angry. I just think that it is a shame that the cops waste valuable resources catering to the desires of the bible thumpers when there are real criminals they should be pursuing. Remember, I have been up close and personal with the boys in blue and I have seen how they can manipulate an investigation in order to get their names in the paper posing as heroes.Being a shame, and having things change are two entirely different issues.

The bible thumpers out vote mongers probably 5000+ to 1.

[Stpeteguy]

Being a shame, and having things change are two entirely different issues.

The bible thumpers out vote mongers probably 5000+ to 1.Yea, even though 4,999 of those Bible thumpers go to strip clubs, use SW and call girls or have computers full of porn. At least we're honest. LOL.

[Red Gates]

Lol - I sure did Drew Park. Although I would have been more excited by the Shamu show I believe.At least Shamu has a blow hole.

[Vetteman35]

She has been on the scene for years now. I have had great sessions with her and very bad sessions with her. If you looked like a cop to her or didn't know how to play the "game", she wouldn't do a thing. I know from experience that she will do most anything.

Later, Vet

[Member #4558]

[QUOTE=The Chronic]Being a shame, and having things change are two entirely different issues.QUOTE]

You really need to stop trying to translate what I am saying here. I don't need to read your interpretation of my thoughts here.

[PussyFish]

She has been on the scene for years now. I have had great sessions with her and very bad sessions with her. If you looked like a cop to her or didn't know how to play the "game", she wouldn't do a thing. I know from experience that she will do most anything.

Later, Vet


Vet - playing the "game" is not a problem with me whatsoever believe you me. I can't imagine how she would think that I'm a cop - except that I am young and in shape - as I was completely nude and trying to pleasure myself. I ask you this? Why in the world would you go back to her if you had great sessions and very bad sessions? She simply seems like a con artist - and hopefully if enough of us stay away she might not make her twinkie money anymore and lose some of that godawful weight as she might not be so repulsive if she lost 40-50 lbs. I am so irritated by this behemoth that I refuse to ever darken the doors of Aquarius again - and I've been a regular for years!

[Drew Park]

At least Shamu has a blow hole.

Yes, and she is into watersports too!

[Vetteman35]

Really man! You gotta take the good with the bad! Especially at lingerie shops. I really don't need to explain to you why I visited her again after I had experienced a bad session with her. Maybe you think I am a shill? I just wanted to state that she is for real and that she has been a part of the lingerie scene way before you got involved. I ask you this: Why did you take a session with a whale?

[PussyFish]

Really man! You gotta take the good with the bad! Especially at lingerie shops. I really don't need to explain to you why I visited her again after I had experienced a bad session with her. Maybe you think I am a shill? I just wanted to state that she is for real and that she has been a part of the lingerie scene way before you got involved. I ask you this: Why did you take a session with a whale?


Yes Vette, I understand that I have to take the good with the bad - and believe you me - this was the bad! Are you en employee of Aquarius or a chubby chaser? I ask you this because you defending this pig is ridiculous - and how do you know she's been around "way before (I) got involved?" I'm not trying to be hostile but you are making assumptions for a user with only a few posts. Granted, you might be a major monger and just not post - if I posted all of my experiences there would be hundreds more. No, you don't need to explain to me why you would visit the atrocious Mindy after experiencing a bad session - I was just curious. I cut my losses when I get blatantly ripped off. And, to reiterate, I took the session with the whale as I was in a hurry, thought it was a sure thing as it always has been at Aquarius and she hid her obesity so that I didn't realize the enormity of it until it was too late! I feel that I did my duty here by posting this so if I can save a fellow monger the hassle it will be worth it - plus to expose the fraudulent (and fat, did I mention that?) Mindy.

[Sweaty Balls]

Anyone been lately? Any girls worth seeing or girls to avoid?

[NeeditWantit]

Anyone eve been to this place? It's near Fantasyland off Lois on a side street that I can't remember. I saw an half filipina/black chick there. really tight body, damage for fs was $250 but at the end, she gave me her number and said it would be cheaper if she did an outcall to my place.

There's also another decent looking girl there named Santana, anyone ever see her?

[Vetteman35]

Awesome! Tight thin bod. She has been doing the lingerie thing for a while now. BBBJ and FS can be had for $$. I recommend!

Vet

[Vetteman35]

I have been going through a bad streak the last 3 weeks. Have lingerie models stopped bathing? Just this past week I have experienced 2 models (yoyo from ets and jasmine from miss behavin) that smelled so badly that I couldn't finish. The real problem is that they both said DATY was on the menu. I knew that meal would be bad way before I would care to venture down below. The reason I stay away from Primative is that there are no bathrooms in that store, but, do these other girls have an excuse? Does anyone feel me on this? Anyone have a suggestion for me as I am dying for a wonderful meal?

Vet

[Tampa Monger]

I have been going through a bad streak the last 3 weeks. Have lingerie models stopped bathing? Just this past week I have experienced 2 models (yoyo from ets and jasmine from miss behavin) that smelled so badly that I couldn't finish. The real problem is that they both said DATY was on the menu. I knew that meal would be bad way before I would care to venture down below. The reason I stay away from Primative is that there are no bathrooms in that store, but, do these other girls have an excuse? Does anyone feel me on this? Anyone have a suggestion for me as I am dying for a wonderful meal?

Vet

Can't help you out with your quest, but is Jasmine the same girl who used to work at Lipstixx?

[Trendz Tampa]

I find that going when their shift starts tends to be better as they usually come fresh from home. I would never see a model thats been working 7 hours and has an hour left. One for smell, two because I know she wont be into it. I used to frequent at Aquarius with good luck but now that they have closed, I need a newbie. PM if you have suggestions in Drew Park.


I have been going through a bad streak the last 3 weeks. Have lingerie models stopped bathing? Just this past week I have experienced 2 models (yoyo from ets and jasmine from miss behavin) that smelled so badly that I couldn't finish. The real problem is that they both said DATY was on the menu. I knew that meal would be bad way before I would care to venture down below. The reason I stay away from Primative is that there are no bathrooms in that store, but, do these other girls have an excuse? Does anyone feel me on this? Anyone have a suggestion for me as I am dying for a wonderful meal?

Vet

[Lookinintampa]

I have been going through a bad streak the last 3 weeks. Have lingerie models stopped bathing? Just this past week I have experienced 2 models (yoyo from ets and jasmine from miss behavin) that smelled so badly that I couldn't finish. The real problem is that they both said DATY was on the menu. I knew that meal would be bad way before I would care to venture down below. The reason I stay away from Primative is that there are no bathrooms in that store, but, do these other girls have an excuse? Does anyone feel me on this? Anyone have a suggestion for me as I am dying for a wonderful meal?

VetI have been to most of the shops in drew park over the years. I thought that miss behavin would have been a nice addition to the rest of the shops, but I was recently WALKED IN ON in the middle of a session...NO LOCKS on the doors!!! Then the girl I'm with gives me an attitude because I was freaked out. Won't be back there. I've had several nice meals at Legends throughout the years. Make sure you ask for the shower room, that way you can clean the plates before you dine.

[Drew Park]

I have been to most of the shops in drew park over the years. I thought that miss behavin would have been a nice addition to the rest of the shops, but I was recently WALKED IN ON in the middle of a session...NO LOCKS on the doors!!! Then the girl I'm with gives me an attitude because I was freaked out.

Well, it was not fun for me either! Who the hell wants to see your hairy ass anyways. But it was funny to watch your dick shrivel up!

:^)

[only kidding, of course]

[Sweaty Balls]

Looking to go to a place that will offer 2 models. I typically only get HJ and maybe a pig in the blanket. Who much $ should this run me with 2 girls. Or maybe the other girl just watches which would be hot too. I am pretty much a novice at this only have been to primative but never have gotten 2 models. I am considering trying a place with hotter models so recomendations are welcome.

[MongerJohn]

I have been to most of the shops in drew park over the years. I thought that miss behavin would have been a nice addition to the rest of the shops, but I was recently WALKED IN ON in the middle of a session...NO LOCKS on the doors!!! Then the girl I'm with gives me an attitude because I was freaked out.At least they didn't try to charge you extra for the audience.

[Legalize it]

Looking to go to a place that will offer 2 models. I typically only get HJ and maybe a pig in the blanket. Who much $ should this run me with 2 girls. Or maybe the other girl just watches which would be hot too. I am pretty much a novice at this only have been to primative but never have gotten 2 models. I am considering trying a place with hotter models so recomendations are welcome.


I've visited a few of these places and Xposed seems to have to hottest gals, but they are expensive. I don't know about getting 2 girls, but I guess they will do it if you pay them enough $. Check the magazines.

[Justbe Me]

Has any one been there uptowns? Florida w *a*t*e8=rs

[NeeditWantit]

Has any one been there uptowns? Florida w *a*t*e8=rsI haven't been there but there are a few girls posting on CL from there:
http://tampa.craigslist.org/ers/503338189.html

[UranIdiot]

I haven't been there but there are a few girls posting on CL from there:
http://tampa.craigslist.org/ers/503338189.html

They mostly have that look on their faces that's halfway between dead bored and "open your wallet for me you stupid John", don't they?

[Ass Man23]

Has any one been there uptowns? Florida w *a*t*e8=rsI've been, twice. First time was a long time ago when mona worked there. Now there's all new girls. I suggest Savannah or Vanessa. I haven't met all the girls yet but the rates are good and discreet location.

[Oakley3233]

Can someone direct me to this place! Pm me if you want!

Thanks!

[Bbwphan]

And I knew I would. Just thinking with the wrong head. Went to Sweet Cheeks in Drew Park. Which used to be about 10 other shops. It is open 24 hours. It is off of Westshore and I think South. Might be one street south of South. Got a $100 handshake from some very elderly chick. Thought she might try harder since she was a bit rough. No discussion of upsell or tipping. Which I may have partaken in. Had a good experience there about 7-8 years ago. Two not so memorable ones since. I hate when I do that.

[Sweaty Balls]

Has any one been there uptowns? Florida w *a*t*e8=rsWent there tonight. Had a session with some girl who would be a 3 on her best day. Some blond who was wearing a security guard costume that was too small for her. $150 and only thing I got was aggravated. I wish I would have gone to mons and just got some lap dance then I would have gone home took care of myself.

My advice: stay away

[Happywilly]

I am not sure where or how to post this question. I am trying to locate a lingerie model named " Abbie " from Gemini on W. Kennedy. She left a few months ago.

Does anyone know where she is at present? Working nearby, I hope?

She is 5-6", enhanced, dirty blond hair, very curvy, with a great attitude. I know, I know, that description fits a lot of women....

Any one familiar with her or where she might be?

[Samples]

Saturday night I visited Lipstixx, had good time with Jasmine (if correct), she is 6feet, looks plump, Italian. She gave me good time.

[Member #4799]

Has anyone seen her recently?

I remember she was pretty hot a few years back.

[Throb Hard]

Know anything about these other shops near Lippstixx. Anyone been to them? Are they any good? Drove by several but they didn't look too busy and was dreaming of trying one out but want to make sure I picked the right one.

[Member #3931]

Has anyone seen her recently?

I remember she was pretty hot a few years back.

Cierra was one of the best times I have ever had at any shop. I haven't checked out any shops in a few years but if she is still working at Facade or another shop you should be able to find her pic in Nightmoves magazine or in V2.

BC

[Dan Smith 69]

Has anyone seen her recently?

I remember she was pretty hot a few years back.At least now we know why she wears so many different wigs:)

http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/Online/qdisp/bn=07073452

[Fight Girl]

I don't know which shop it is, but I was browsing the HCSO site today and looks like 2-3 girls got busted. Just giving you guys a heads up. I asked a couple of my girlfriends who work in shops, and they said shops are starting to get hit.

FG :)

[Trendz Tampa]

Probably not a shop. Looks like 3 girls busted, probably at a hotel nearby. Sounds like Uncle Leo was staying in the area. Look at the arrest times. They are all about an hour apart. Looks like one was an unlicensed therapist.


I don't know which shop it is, but I was browsing the HCSO site today and looks like 2-3 girls got busted. Just giving you guys a heads up. I asked a couple of my girlfriends who work in shops, and they said shops are starting to get hit.

FG :)

[Fight Girl]

Probably not a shop. Looks like 3 girls busted, probably at a hotel nearby. Sounds like Uncle Leo was staying in the area. Look at the arrest times. They are all about an hour apart. Looks like one was an unlicensed therapist.You're right. I didn't remember any shops in that area/intersection, but didn't know if a new one had popped up recently. I was just a dancer, not a LM.

[Dan Smith 69]

Looks like it is closed. Doors locked, the lights were out and nobody was home-- sure hope the party is not over.

[Happywilly]

I am not sure where or how to post this question. I am trying to locate a lingerie model named " Abbie " from Gemini on W. Kennedy. She left a few months ago.

Does anyone know where she is at present? Working nearby, I hope?

She is 5-6", enhanced, dirty blond hair, very curvy, with a great attitude. I know, I know, that description fits a lot of women....

Any one familiar with her or where she might be?I found her. She left Gemini for a short while, and she is now back at Gemini. Don't miss her, guys, she is a gem.

[Dcreet]

Visited Body Talk and Katt. Very nice time and a very good model.

[Norqueen]

Probably not a shop. Looks like 3 girls busted, probably at a hotel nearby. Sounds like Uncle Leo was staying in the area. Look at the arrest times. They are all about an hour apart. Looks like one was an unlicensed therapist.It was a sting, they arrested 7 girls during two days, most from craigslist (Karma, Serenity etc) It was most likely Springhill suites where many stings went down last year, on westshore N/Cypress st W.

[Horndog Man X]

It was a sting, they arrested 7 girls during two days, most from craigslist (Karma, Serenity etc) It was most likely Springhill suites where many stings went down last year, on westshore N/Cypress st W. And it starts.

This is because of the Superbowl. They are trying to make Tampa more "wholesome. " I was in JAX for the game (2005), Detriot (late 2005? ) in and Phoenix (last year) during the "house cleaning" prior to the game. Even saw it at the Sun Bowl last year.

LE was cracking down on the CL and TER providers and "threatening" the Strip Clubs for a full 8 months before the game. JAX was terrible, PHX was only horrible and Detroit, why they wasted there time on mongers and not murders. .

So IMHO in will get worse.

I've followed 11 rules that kept me out of cross hairs from LA to Arkansas to Dallas to Tampa.

1)Follow your Spidie sense. If it seems wrong, beg out. I still leave some $ for the trouble just in case it is a real provider.

2)Before you call, do your homework. See how long she’s been posting on CL or TER. Longer than a few weeks=good. Naked photos= Better. Look for other reviews, see if she does outcall, descriptions, etc.

3)Get a throw away cell phone and pay cash for it. Not only does it make LE’s job hard (er), if she is an honest provider and gets rolled, there’s no way LE can back track to you.

4)When you call, see if she does outcall to other cities. "Yes" is a great answer. No guarantee though, Sara Swallows didn’t and she’s a hero. But LE doing a local will not. You don’t have to actually do the outcall, only see if she will.

5)Show up early and drive around the location first. Show up about 1/2 hour or so before, LE may not be "set" yet. Look outside for vans with tinted windows, vehicles with government plates, men in their 20s standing around, drive around and look for a parking place with great routes to get out. You want to get out of trouble faster than you got into it. Oh, yeah, and a guy leaving in cuffs is probably a bad thing.

6)Check out the hotel. If there’s a stairwell, look down it to see if there’s a group standing in it. If there’s a hallway, walk up and down a floor or so looking for LE, listen for male voices in the surrounding rooms. Or males entering a room.

7)Check the room out. NEVER stay a room that has another way in (one of those joined rooms). Check out the bathroom-locked bathroom is a bad thing. The number of cell phones (we know what the answer is). If she’s smoking when you get in, look for cigarettes in the ash tray and smell. Most of the providers rooms are a mess, so clean room should make you go hmmm. .

8)Put the money on the night stand, don’t give it directly to the girl. Don’t discuss the amount, just the amount of time. If she asks a direct question, keep to time.

9)Small talk will save you. Don’t talk about the deed until after she’s began doing something other than talking. If it’s a ‘turned’ provider, she may be nervous and it will be awkward. LE will try to get you commit to an act. I’ve found, if she’s real, she’ll be cool, she’ll get naked first and ‘touch’ you w/o asking.

10)Always start with a naked massage. Always.complain about your back, butt, something being sore. Again, if she’s real, she’s be cool, she’ll get naked and ‘touch’ you w/o asking. And you can touch her and let "nature" take its course. If she doesn’t, she’s either a poor provider or LE.

11)How she looks is no guarantee but a good indicator. Look for gang tattoos. LE doesn’t TEND to have them (no guarantees, but a good indicator). BBWs are rarely cops.

When in doubt, follow rule "1"

And never forget, she may be for real. As I said, if I take her time, I leave her something, LE or not. One of the few actions that helps providers and annoys LE. The provider will thank you and LE has to account for it so you’ve made their jobs harder.

Just my 11 cents, YMMV and always will.

[Dxa301]

Can someone give me an suggestion on where to go for a good young time?

[Drew Park]

Can someone give me an suggestion on where to go for a good young time?

Why not start at the cafeteria at your school...

[Member #4558]

Why not start at the cafeteria at your school...


Just go to Chuck E. Cheese like I do!

[MongerJohn]

As I was leaving Fantasyland last night after midnight (it was pretty dead), an Asian woman came tearing into the parking lot. Apparently she had a condom emergency as she went running inside and quickly loaded up. I tailed her as she pealed out of there and she went to The Erotic Toy Store (ETS) on W Alva. I didn't follow her in, anyone every been inside?

Ms Behavin was open which surprised me because the few times I've been by late at night they've been closed. I thought about paying them a visit, but there was an unmarked Uncle Leo-mobile parked in front of the apartment complex next door. It was in the parking spot closest to Ms. There didn't seem to be any other activity, but I decided to trust my spidey-sense and pass.

[MotherFucker]

. . .The Erotic Toy Store (ETS) on W Alva. I didn't follow her in, anyone every been inside?.ETS is very hit-and-miss. From what I can tell the girls are private contractors. I've been quoted from $.5 for FS to $$$$ for CBJ.

[Clinton Bush]

As I was leaving Fantasyland last night after midnight (it was pretty dead), an Asian woman came tearing into the parking lot. Apparently she had a condom emergency as she went running inside and quickly loaded up. I tailed her as she pealed out of there and she went to The Erotic Toy Store (ETS) on W Alva. I didn't follow her in, anyone every been inside? I think this was Yoyo who was featured in ETS ads in Nightmoves and the other free rag. I went there in search of a hot session with her. When I asked for her I was told she was not working by the chubby Spanish girl who met me at the door. The Spanish girl really tried to push me for a session but I walked away. I asked about Yoyo's schedule but she would not give me a straight answer. No other mongers at ETS so maybe the higher prices keep the visitors few and far between. Yoyo looks like a cute little spinner from the ads. Has anyone had her? I RTFF and see no reviews here. Does she give a good session? If so then, I am anxious for Yoyo to spin my top!

[Vetteman35]

Stay away! Very bad hygene (breath and below). Uninspired missionary.

Late, Vet

[Tampa Monger]

Stay away! Very bad hygene (breath and below). Uninspired missionary.

Late, Vet

OK. Can't be my Yoyo, then, who was cute and clean, unless she's gone far downhill since then.

[Darkpassenger]

First post here, though I've been lurking for a while, and benefitting from all the advice and tips my fellow 'Mongers' have posted - so thank you all!

I went to Xposed this weekend; paid 375 total, but holy shit! I got Ava, and the nice thing about quality places is the girls REALLY do look as good as the Night Moves photos :)

[Nemodc]

you got hosed on the costs, but you paid way too much.

Nemo

[NeeditWantit]

I was over there on Sunday afternoon and had a quick session with Santana. She's lost some weight so she's looking pretty good. Nice small A cups and a tight bod. Anyone that knows her knows her type of service...very open minded. Lots of DFK, digits, and the main event was plain wild monkey sex. I was dripping with sweat when we were done. All in $1.50.

Has anyone seen any of the other girls and are their services comparable to Santana?

[Tampa Monger]

I was over there on Sunday afternoon and had a quick session with Santana. She's lost some weight so she's looking pretty good. Nice small A cups and a tight bod. Anyone that knows her knows her type of service...very open minded. Lots of DFK, digits, and the main event was plain wild monkey sex. I was dripping with sweat when we were done. All in $1.50.

Has anyone seen any of the other girls and are their services comparable to Santana?

Never heard of Faberge or Santana. I'll have to check it out.

[NeeditWantit]

Never heard of Faberge or Santana. I'll have to check it out.


They are in Drew Park, around the corner from Fantasyland. Their # is 813.879.7399.

[Member #4175]

They are in Drew Park, around the corner from Fantasyland. Their # is 813.879.7399.Faberge is owned by the same people who own Executive Tampa. I don't know how the place is these days but several years ago I had a few sessions with Jasmine, the wife of the owner. Verrrry hot Puerto Rican Betty Page look alike who rocked my world. $$ for an incredibly erotic trip to France that rates at the top of my linguistic experiences of all time. She is really more into BDSM but isn't opposed at all in pleasing someone not into that scene. Just let her take control and wow! I think it took an hour or so for my toes to uncurl.

If any of their other girls perform to Jasmine's level it wouldn't surprise me if Faberge becomes 'the' place to go in Drew Park.

[Member #4175]

I was digging through some old pics I had saved and found a few of Jasmine from The Executive.

Mmmmm, I wish they did take out.

[Dan Smith 69]

1-Faberge was at one time owned by the same guy who had The Executive. He sold it sometime last year.

2- The Executive closed a month or so ago and has recently reopened at a new location on Busch. Jasmine is at the new location but most of the other girls who were at the original location are at a new place called Club 7315 (or something like that). Both places have ads running in the May Nightmoves.

3- My understanding is that at least 3 shops got visits last week from Tampa's finest and several girls were taken away for outcalls to cental booking- Faberge was among them.


Faberge is owned by the same people who own Executive Tampa. I don't know how the place is these days but several years ago I had a few sessions with Jasmine, the wife of the owner. Verrrry hot Puerto Rican Betty Page look alike who rocked my world. $$ for an incredibly erotic trip to France that rates at the top of my linguistic experiences of all time. She is really more into BDSM but isn't opposed at all in pleasing someone not into that scene. Just let her take control and wow! I think it took an hour or so for my toes to uncurl.

If any of their other girls perform to Jasmine's level it wouldn't surprise me if Faberge becomes 'the' place to go in Drew Park.

[NoJokers]

I had seen Jasmine before but it has been a few years.

Here's her website


http://www.moderndaybetty.com/


I was digging through some old pics I had saved and found a few of Jasmine from The Executive.

Mmmmm, I wish they did take out.

[Member #4175]

1-Faberge was at one time owned by the same guy who had The Executive. He sold it sometime last year.

That must be the guy Jasmine was referring to as her husband.



2- The Executive closed a month or so ago and has recently reopened at a new location on Busch. Jasmine is at the new location but most of the other girls who were at the original location are at a new place called Club 7315 (or something like that). Both places have ads running in the May Nightmoves.

Thanks for the info. Glad to hear she is still working. Very sexy lady.


3- My understanding is that at least 3 shops got visits last week from Tampa's finest and several girls were taken away for outcalls to cental booking- Faberge was among them.

Wow, I hope Jasmine wasn't among the unfortunate.

Great info.

[Darkpassenger]

I was over there on Sunday afternoon and had a quick session with Santana. She's lost some weight so she's looking pretty good. Nice small A cups and a tight bod. Anyone that knows her knows her type of service...very open minded. Lots of DFK, digits, and the main event was plain wild monkey sex. I was dripping with sweat when we were done. All in $1.50.

Has anyone seen any of the other girls and are their services comparable to Santana?I visited Santana there in December; she was very good at giving a complete modeling experience as you describe and for a flat rate including the room.

I hope she didn't get porked; very nice girl.

[Darkpassenger]

you got hosed on the costs, but you paid way too much.

NemoProbably, but when something right out of Penthouse answers the door - oh yeah, I pay!

Worth every penny.

[Tpa48]

I'm new to this forum so hi to all.

Just a note regarding the ex Executive girls - they are all at Club 7315 on N Armenia. Used to be the AXO I believe - Holly, Carmen, Lyloni and Ashlin are all there.

Enjoy.

[Darkpassenger]

I'm new to this forum so hi to all.

Just a note regarding the ex Executive girls - they are all at Club 7315 on N Armenia. Used to be the AXO I believe - Holly, Carmen, Lyloni and Ashlin are all there.

Enjoy.Its a little spooky over that way now. The ads for the other shops have just about disappeared from NM since the raids, but there's this big one for 7315 - is anyone else a little paranoid and looking farther afield for right now?

[Dan Smith 69]

I'm new to this forum so hi to all.

Just a note regarding the ex Executive girls - they are all at Club 7315 on N Armenia. Used to be the AXO I believe - Holly, Carmen, Lyloni and Ashlin are all there.
Enjoy.In more ways than one. Noticed on hcso website that last week at least one of the girls mentioned above got an all expense paid booking after Tampa's finest paid them a visit. Let's be careful out there...

[Darkpassenger]

In more ways than one. Noticed on hcso website that last week at least one of the girls mentioned above got an all expense paid booking after Tampa's finest paid them a visit. Let's be careful out there...I hope the hell those asses get off their smut-drive and leave DP alone - there are some damned fine ladies there doing a valuable public service safely.

F*cktard politicians and would-be politicians, hypocrits all!

[Clinton Bush]

I'm new to this forum so hi to all.

Just a note regarding the ex Executive girls - they are all at Club 7315 on N Armenia. Used to be the AXO I believe - Holly, Carmen, Lyloni and Ashlin are all there.

Enjoy.

who has the best donuts ... Dunkin or Krispy Kreme?

CB

[R Consultant]

I acutally like Panera alot more these days seems like our local help spends way to much time at DD & Krispy. Stop over and I will be happy to buy you some coffee and enjoy the local guys who meet and greet.

Happy Hunting..


who has the best donuts ... Dunkin or Krispy Kreme?

CB

[Johnny Raw]

Drew Park is looking completely dead lately. All of the lingerie modeling places are closed except for The Legend, and it looks like they aren't opening back up anytime soon. Has the area been completely laid to waste by the local constabulary, or will there be a triumphant return sometime soon?

P.S. Any word on Santana? She was the author of many great dreams, and it'd be great to dream a few more.

[Tpa48]

Spoke to one of the ladies at Club 7315 recently. She said that they are trying to hold on for 6 months to see if things cool down some. She said that when a regular in there they will lock down and not let anyone in until they are done. They are also doing sweeps of the neighborhood to make sure no one is watching them. They haven't heard of anyone being stopped after leaving but she would not be surprised if that started.

Think it's best to stay away from the shops for a while.

Note to CB. I just love KK cold glazed. They rock.


Drew Park is looking completely dead lately. All of the lingerie modeling places are closed except for The Legend, and it looks like they aren't opening back up anytime soon. Has the area been completely laid to waste by the local constabulary, or will there be a triumphant return sometime soon?

P.S. Any word on Santana? She was the author of many great dreams, and it'd be great to dream a few more.

[Surferdrew2001]

Team,

Looks like Drew Park is out of the question. But what about other areas such as the Lingerie shops in Pasco county and other areas. Are we saying ALL lingerie shops are either closed or 'off limits', or just Drew Park?


Spoke to one of the ladies at Club 7315 recently. She said that they are trying to hold on for 6 months to see if things cool down some. She said that when a regular in there they will lock down and not let anyone in until they are done. They are also doing sweeps of the neighborhood to make sure no one is watching them. They haven't heard of anyone being stopped after leaving but she would not be surprised if that started.

Think it's best to stay away from the shops for a while.

Note to CB. I just love KK cold glazed. They rock.

[Tpa48]

Team,

Looks like Drew Park is out of the question. But what about other areas such as the Lingerie shops in Pasco county and other areas. Are we saying ALL lingerie shops are either closed or 'off limits', or just Drew Park?There's a Heather in Pinellas Park that has ads on Backpage all the time and has good reviews on TER. She is in a shop but I have not been there yet.

[NevadaDreamin]

Team,

Looks like Drew Park is out of the question. But what about other areas such as the Lingerie shops in Pasco county and other areas. Are we saying ALL lingerie shops are either closed or 'off limits', or just Drew Park?Haven't passed by in a couple of weeks, but their latest ads still say "licensed for nude shows". However, they got popped again last month and ol' pro Aimee was the one they got. Dang. Not long afterwards there was a CL ad that ran for a day or two(and not constantly re-posted)-stating that "recent divorcee needs help" and the pics really resembled her, but were taken from across a tropical-themed room that was not well lit.

Also FWIW Brooke(curly blonde) who used to work there is trying the CL lately. Not to be confused with the dancer who used a come-on with the "after the club closes or after I get off work..." kind of message--her main pic was from backside while wearing a jersey (no. 24?).

I apologize if this turns out to be a double post, because I had to log in again after submitting the first time.

[Aesder]

There's a Heather in Pinellas Park that has ads on Backpage all the time and has good reviews on TER. She is in a shop but I have not been there yet.The Heather I think you are referring to has her own place. It's a room with a couch in the bottom of a 2 story business building she says she owns. I did see recently that she has a couple other girls with her but that is fairly new. She is pretty hot in the bod, 9 if you like skinny girls. Her face is a little weathered but no means fugly. SHe is very nice, service was pretty good, some BBBJ, DATY, CFS, multi extra 5. I did feel a little rush since I shot early in the meeting, in and out 45 mins.

[Shophopper]

To my understanding The Executive Moved locations and re opened with not many of the original crew. It took a little time for them to make there move into there new place and they were being undermined by the models During the move. They couldn't wait for the new shop to open because Holly opened club 7315 before Executive could complete the move undermining Executive behind there back to all the models and called police and the city of tampa regarding some construction work Executive was doing without a permit which they got in trouble for, Just so they could keep them down as much as she could while opening her shop. Shortly after that club7315 was raided, models did go to jail for prostitution that wouldn't help L. E. My understanding is now Club 7315 is now working with L. E. The shop is under investigation For R. E. C. O. Act, Prostitution, among Drug Deals, one of the models was selling crystal meth. She is still working there but wasn't arrested. Working with L. E. They aren't pulling anyone over just taking license plates to identify customers. Club 7315 used to be AVX on Armenia which was under investigation alot especially when their ATM was stolen by Employees. This property is owned by The same owner as Exposed which we all know has been under investigation for quite some time. I'd be real careful.

The Executive has never been in trouble with the law do to good management recently been there, whole new crew, Jasmine is still there, Cute new place You can park in the back 3 beautiful large everything new rooms, and it's my understanding after permits go through there are going to be 3 more rooms just as big and nice. I like the location alot away from Drew Park.

[Shophopper]

To my understanding The Executive Moved locations and re opened with not many of the original crew. It took a little time for them to make there move into there new place and they were being undermined by the models During the move. They couldn't wait for the new shop to open because Holly opened club 7315 before Executive could complete the move undermining Executive behind there back to all the models and called police and the city of tampa regarding some construction work Executive was doing without a permit which they got in trouble for, Just so they could keep them down as much as she could while opening her shop. Shortly after that club7315 was raided, models did go to jail for prostitution that wouldn't help L. E. My understanding is now Club 7315 is now working with L. E. The shop is under investigation For R. E. C. O. Act, Prostitution, among Drug Deals, one of the models was selling crystal meth. She is still working there but wasn't arrested. Working with L. E. They aren't pulling anyone over just taking license plates to identify customers. Club 7315 used to be AVX on Armenia which was under investigation alot especially when their ATM was stolen by Employees. This property is owned by The same owner as Exposed which we all know has been under investigation for quite some time. Id be real careful.

The Executive has never been in trouble with the law do to good management recently been there, whole new crew, Jasmine is still there, Cute new place You can park in the back 3 beautiful large everything new rooms, and it's my understanding after permits go through there are going to be 3 more rooms just as big and nice. I like the location alot away from Drew Park.

[R Consultant]

Thanks for the heads up! I think most guys here are going to stay away from both places since they seem to draw way more attention than most people want to see. Im sure these ladies work side jobs and that might be the way to go rather than visit a place with a spotlight on its front door.

Happy Hunting..



To my understanding The Executive Moved locations and re opened with not many of the original crew. It took a little time for them to make there move into there new place and they were being undermined by the models During the move. They couldn't wait for the new shop to open because Holly opened club 7315 before Executive could complete the move undermining Executive behind there back to all the models and called police and the city of tampa regarding some construction work Executive was doing without a permit which they got in trouble for, Just so they could keep them down as much as she could while opening her shop. Shortly after that club7315 was raided, models did go to jail for prostitution that wouldn't help L. E. My understanding is now Club 7315 is now working with L. E. The shop is under investigation For R. E. C. O. Act, Prostitution, among Drug Deals, one of the models was selling crystal meth. She is still working there but wasn't arrested. Working with L. E. They aren't pulling anyone over just taking license plates to identify customers. Club 7315 used to be AVX on Armenia which was under investigation alot especially when their ATM was stolen by Employees. This property is owned by The same owner as Exposed which we all know has been under investigation for quite some time. Id be real careful.

The Executive has never been in trouble with the law do to good management recently been there, whole new crew, Jasmine is still there, Cute new place You can park in the back 3 beautiful large everything new rooms, and it's my understanding after permits go through there are going to be 3 more rooms just as big and nice. I like the location alot away from Drew Park.

[JediDrow]

I saw one of the girls there when she was at exposed and she was legit. Do we have any proof of any of this or is this all off the word of the executive?

[Darkpassenger]

That 7315 thing was spooky - as all the other ads in NM's disappeared theirs kept getting bigger while raids have gone on, so I am buying that leo deal there.

I've got another place that I don't dare mention on here in the open for fear of sending uncle leo straight to them; senior members with good numbers can pm if interested, but if you're a low-digit forget it - sorry, pussy protection is the order of the day.

[JediDrow]

Makes sense to me that they kept their ads. They were a new place and NOT in drew park, which is where all this stuff was going down.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I had hit this place last year, along with a few others in the Drew Park area. This year some of the others seemed to be gone (I see from the board that LE has stepped up), but LOSS was still there so I stopped in.

I don't know what may be available if you are a regular, but even though the girl seemed to accept that I had been there before, all I got was a high priced Jill-Off show. Last year, the girl sat me down, covered me and started to work without any questions, this year, I quickly came to realize that she wasn't comeing anywhere near my unit.

Not worth it at all.

Spaceman Spiff

[Club7315]

There’s nothing wrong with a little healthy paranoia but come on now, really? Are you trying to tell me that because we’re running our business the way it should be, and being successful, that that is what will keep you from our door? I’ve always believed that if you’re going to do something then try to be the best, or at the very minimum the best you can. So yes, despite everything that is going on I’ve decided to not turn and hide. You may not respect me for it but at least I can.

Holly


That 7315 thing was spooky - as all the other ads in NM's disappeared theirs kept getting bigger while raids have gone on, so I am buying that leo deal there.

I've got another place that I don't dare mention on here in the open for fear of sending uncle leo straight to them; senior members with good numbers can pm if interested, but if you're a low-digit forget it - sorry, pussy protection is the order of the day.

[Dan Smith 69]

You gotta love first time posters with an ax to grind. Looks to me like first time poster "Shophopper" might have a "vested interest" of sorts. He (more likely, She) doth protest just a little too much.

I have been to both places and one thing is for sure, there does seem to be some bad blood between the girls at these two shops. Shophopper's post reads like "stripper shit" to me-- a little bit of truth with a lot of venom designed to keep you from wanting a dance with the other girl. LOL.

No doubt, visiting a shop these days, any shop, is an exercise one should take with extreme caution. To suggest that one place is somehow immune from "trouble with the law" says as much about the poster as it does the post.


To my understanding The Executive Moved locations and re opened with not many of the original crew. It took a little time for them to make there move into there new place and they were being undermined by the models During the move. They couldn't wait for the new shop to open because Holly opened club 7315 before Executive could complete the move undermining Executive behind there back to all the models and called police and the city of tampa regarding some construction work Executive was doing without a permit which they got in trouble for, Just so they could keep them down as much as she could while opening her shop. Shortly after that club7315 was raided, models did go to jail for prostitution that wouldn't help L. E. My understanding is now Club 7315 is now working with L. E. The shop is under investigation For R. E. C. O. Act, Prostitution, among Drug Deals, one of the models was selling crystal meth. She is still working there but wasn't arrested. Working with L. E. They aren't pulling anyone over just taking license plates to identify customers. Club 7315 used to be AVX on Armenia which was under investigation alot especially when their ATM was stolen by Employees. This property is owned by The same owner as Exposed which we all know has been under investigation for quite some time. Id be real careful.

The Executive has never been in trouble with the law do to good management recently been there, whole new crew, Jasmine is still there, Cute new place You can park in the back 3 beautiful large everything new rooms, and it's my understanding after permits go through there are going to be 3 more rooms just as big and nice. I like the location alot away from Drew Park.

[Nutcrker]

I am a first time poster, however I have been reading this webstie and I am very confused as to the issues regarding lingerie modeling shops. There used to be "bottoms up and many happy returns", however now it seems that you might as well stay home, save your money and let the good times roll.

I was to indulge my fantasies, this weekend, went to the Drew Park area and it was like a ghost town. Where, oh where have the good times gone.

I ventured out to Club 7315 on Armenia looking for a good time, however I paid $350. 00 for a dismal lingerie modeling show. I would have enjoyed myself more, by staying home and looking at a Victoria Secret catalog. I would have given myself a goot time, saved $350. 00 and known that the happy endings are gone.

After leaving Club 7315 I was stopped, by the police, who informed me that they were conducting a Racketeering investigation, at this business and were looking for my cooperation. This episode scared me to go straight home but when I got home, my wife had already been notified that our car was at a business being investigated by police.

I am posting this to advise you not to frequent these business because all the "happy endings" will make it home before you do.

The $350. 00 "lingerie show" may just be the begining because divorce cost more.

Tampa is hot on the trail, stay away, be prepared and stay safe.

[Drew Park]

Is it just me, but I find it awfully curious that all these gloom and doom posts on investigations are authored by fellows with less than ten posts. Are these newbies inspiring a psyops campaign?

Even more curious is that almost all of these posts are referring to 7315. Even if these reports are accurate even the most novice monger would exercise caution in light of the information (or misinformation) being bantered about here.

For Nutcrker - In a word, you are a fool. (1) Hitting a joint that reportedly has heat on it and (2) Shelling out $350. What is to cooperate? You paid for a lingerie show -- nothing illegal about that.

[Trendz Tampa]

I think some owners really think mongers are idiots. I mean, really, are we supposed to believe a post by a newbie with less than 5 posts and all within the past two weeks about the same place? By the way, for the post below, its RICO, not RECO (Real Estate Council of Ontario). Id hate to be arrested for purchasing a home. If you are trying to pass yourself off, at least make a better attempt at it.

By the way, thanks to TPD for their security at the shops this weekend in Drew Park. Parking your vehicles in front of the establishment is genius. Its actually a pretty good move. You arent wasting taxpayer money with gas. But then again, where was the officer? !

On many posts, you see people asking why cops are giving the drew park area a hard time. Well duh, if you were a cop, what would you rather go up against a 6 foot man on meth that can kill you or a 5 foot woman wearing a thong that will cuss you out. I know Id go for the non violent woman. Its much easier for them and they get to feel good about getting them off the streets. I know I'll sleep better. LOL

Be safe out there people.

[Loafer Boat]

After leaving Club 7315 I was stopped, by the police, who informed me that they were conducting a Racketeering investigation, at this business and were looking for my cooperation. This episode scared me to go straight home but when I got home, my wife had already been notified that our car was at a business being investigated by police.What an idiot. You give even Newbies a bad name.

Let me get this straight. You are stopped by the police. Your wife found out where you were. And one of your first actions is to join a wesite and post you woes. Of course you lost me at the money you claimed to have paid.

For that money, you could have a fantasy with multiple dates with many providers posted around here!

[Club7315]

Thank you!

I’m so happy that a lot of you see these posts for what they are.

Holly


Is it just me, but I find it awfully curious that all these gloom and doom posts on investigations are authored by fellows with less than ten posts. Are these newbies inspiring a psyops campaign?

Even more curious is that almost all of these posts are referring to 7315. Even if these reports are accurate even the most novice monger would exercise caution in light of the information (or misinformation) being bantered about here.

For Nutcrker - In a word, you are a fool. (1) Hitting a joint that reportedly has heat on it and (2) Shelling out $350. What is to cooperate? You paid for a lingerie show -- nothing illegal about that.

[Darkpassenger]

Whatever, however - there's way too much heat over that way for me - and my staying away has jack-shit to do with how you do your business or not.

As far as respecting you, that's pretty damned silly with all of 2 posts under your belt - I respect the ones here with posts in 100's, and all with less posts I take with a shit load of grains of salt.

But I know what I know: DP is like a ghost town now, when it used to be a garden for those who didn't mind the cash to play in a "free-zone"; so that whole wide area (including 7313 and other surrounding environs) is off my itinerary for the immediate future and foreseeable future.

I'll say one thing - this place doesn't need a bunch of back-biting and crap from providers out to frag each other, when leo seems hell bent on doing it themselves right now.

If you are for real, then I sure as hell DO wish you good luck weathering the storm.


There’s nothing wrong with a little healthy paranoia but come on now, really? Are you trying to tell me that because we’re running our business the way it should be, and being successful, that that is what will keep you from our door? I’ve always believed that if you’re going to do something then try to be the best, or at the very minimum the best you can. So yes, despite everything that is going on I’ve decided to not turn and hide. You may not respect me for it but at least I can.

Holly

[Member #5237]

As far as respecting you, that's pretty damned silly with all of 2 posts under your belt - I respect the ones here with posts in 100's, and all with less posts I take with a shit load of grains of salt.This is very funny coming from someone with only 40 posts to their name.

[Club7315]

You have missed my point. I was referring to you correlation between our NM’s ads and LE. There’s nothing “spooky” about it. Of course I’m going to continue our advertising, especially now that there are so few advertisers. I also want to ensure that we keep our ad placement. Secondly, in regard to respect; I was simply referring to the fact that I have chosen to keep out doors open. Besides, I’m not hiding behind and alias, screen name or the anonymity of a forum. You know exactly who I am so my number of posts is irrelevant.

I do agree with you on the “back-biting” problem. It needs to stop. The closer you get to the top the more people there are under you that want to pull you down and that is exactly what is going on here. Nothing more, nothing less. I’m sure most of you can see that.

For what it’s worth, I was not attacking you directly. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion but you have to understand that when that opinion is about me or my business that I am most certainly going to add my two cents in.

We all need to be careful but we also need to keep it in perspective.

I hope one day you do come by and see us when the storm has passed.

Holly


Whatever, however - there's way too much heat over that way for me - and my staying away has jack-shit to do with how you do your business or not.

As far as respecting you, that's pretty damned silly with all of 2 posts under your belt - I respect the ones here with posts in 100's, and all with less posts I take with a shit load of grains of salt.

But I know what I know: DP is like a ghost town now, when it used to be a garden for those who didn't mind the cash to play in a "free-zone"; so that whole wide area (including 7313 and other surrounding environs) is off my itinerary for the immediate future and foreseeable future.

I'll say one thing - this place doesn't need a bunch of back-biting and crap from providers out to frag each other, when leo seems hell bent on doing it themselves right now.

If you are for real, then I sure as hell DO wish you good luck weathering the storm.

[Aesder]

As far as respecting you, that's pretty damned silly with all of 2 posts under your belt - I respect the ones here with posts in 100's, and all with less posts I take with a shit load of grains of salt.Seems to be a lot of this on this forum. Doesn't everyone start at "0"? So what makes a person who has 100 posts any more trusting than a first post? Every 100+ poster had a first post at one time, is the 100th post more real or honest than his first?

Besides, posts like this add to the count but not credability.

[Drew Park]

Seems to be a lot of this on this forum. Doesn't everyone start at "0"? So what makes a person who has 100 posts any more trusting than a first post? Every 100+ poster had a first post at one time, is the 100th post more real or honest than his first? Besides, posts like this add to the count but not credability.

The issue is less numbers but the value of the posts. For example almost half of YOUR posts are questions to others. That adds to the count too, you know.

Many of us have been here and in similar forums (anyone else a member of Decadent City?) for a long time. And many of us actually KNOW each other. So while all newbies are welcomed, only those who actively contribute relevant information are accepted.

It is kinda like what new coach Jim Zorn is doing with the Washington Redskins. Rookies are not allowed to wear the 'Skins logo on their helmets UNTIL they make the team.

[Satch Boogie]

Many of us have been here and in similar forums (anyone else a member of Decadent City?) for a long time.

Decadent City. Now there a blast from the past. Completely forgot about that forum.

For the longest time I use to post on a few newsgroups related to Strip clubs and mongering. How the times have changed.

SB

[Nemodc]

what were the names of those ladies who had constant cat fight there. One got kidnapped by the others friends, stuffed in a car trunk and beat up or something similar. That a million years ago in internet years, as I recall I was using an IBM PS 2 with a 25mhz 488 processor in it, and it was more than enough power for net surfing at the time.

Nemo

[Tucker40]

It is kinda like what new coach Jim Zorn is doing with the Washington Redskins. Rookies are not allowed to wear the 'Skins logo on their helmets UNTIL they make the team.


But that's a good idea Zorn had.

[Hardwood123]

what were the names of those ladies who had constant cat fight there. One got kidnapped by the others friends, stuffed in a car trunk and beat up or something similar. That a million years ago in internet years, as I recall I was using an IBM PS 2 with a 25mhz 488 processor in it, and it was more than enough power for net surfing at the time.

Nemo yeah, like no graphics on the net surfing with a 56K modem three minutes or more for a page to load... one thing that hasn't changed are the drama queens...

[Olds Man]

Drew...I didn't know that Decadent City still exists...but I definitely remember it!

[Member #4558]

It is kinda like what new coach Jim Zorn is doing with the Washington Redskins. Rookies are not allowed to wear the 'Skins logo on their helmets UNTIL they make the team.

Coach Billy D and Coach Meyer have both done similar things with their Gator teams. Billy D kicked his team out of their multi-million dollar practice facility and Meyer made the locker rooms off limits after practice for a spell. Both coaches felt the players were taking all of the perks and comforts for granted and wanted to bring them back to reality.

[Max Doubt]

Drove over to Club 7315 Friday about 5:00 pm LE had someone pulled over in strip mall next door. I circled arounnd and Man in car across the street.I left

[Darkpassenger]

Yep, you are right about the value vs numbers - but for us noobs the number is the only thing we have to go by at first, until we learn who is a real player and who is not - so with the activity in DP of late I hope my paranoia is understandable.


The issue is less numbers but the value of the posts. For example almost half of YOUR posts are questions to others. That adds to the count too, you know.

Many of us have been here and in similar forums (anyone else a member of Decadent City?) for a long time. And many of us actually KNOW each other. So while all newbies are welcomed, only those who actively contribute relevant information are accepted.

It is kinda like what new coach Jim Zorn is doing with the Washington Redskins. Rookies are not allowed to wear the 'Skins logo on their helmets UNTIL they make the team.

[Nemodc]

Cassie was the name of one of the ladies mentioned in my post below, anyone remember the other? The good old days, cruising DC around 14th on L, over to 12th, down to G and back up Vermont. You would probably see 100 ladies on a slow nite, 220 on a good nite of all sizes, shapes and colors, dressed in lingerie at the most.

I was exploring an old hard drive added to my desktop from way back, and found a couple short action movies of Cassie, not so hot but she could DT and ride with the best of them.

Nemo

[J Burma]

I wondered if anyone can tell me what happened to the girls at Xposed playmates. I was there earlier this year and saw Carmen who was gorgeous. I just helped myself and it was under 2. About all the cash I had. To me it was worth it because she had a killer bod.

Now they don't advertise anymore but I'm willing to bet these girls there are working somewhere else. Some were probably making pretty good money. No way they're making that at a conventional job. Maybe they're at Mons? Anyone know?

I'm also looking for very busty women. Enhanced if possible. I used to see a few over the years but they're all gone. Anyone remember Amber Sexxxum? She had a set! Sweet girl. May she rest in peace.

Thanks,

JB

[Photo Sniper]

Any reports on Executive on Busch?

[Horn Dog Too]

I'm thinking Lingerie shops are, while not a blatent rip off, not a good value. Ie not a lot of bang for a lot of bucks. After my experience at the spa in Hudson, and the 7315 Armenia studio, I am not a fan of "Pre Tipping" Last night after busting out at the Hard Rock, I was in need of a woman. In the Night Moves magazine an ad for 7315 Lingerie modeling caught my eye so after a fruitless cruise up Nebraska and Hillsboro, I headed on over. Three lovely ladies greeted me. I was briefed on the "session" For. 4 I would use the room and the tips started at $ for the lady of my choice. OK I was there and thought I'd TOFTT, so I chose Camille, a black BBW with really nice boobies. She said put your tip on the table and I'll be right back. OK. A ben on the table and she comes back and takes off her dress and "models" in her bra and panties. The bra comes off and wow, the fun bags are out to play. I get "comfortable" She asks if I want to "upsell" the session. $. 5 would be for her french skills. NO thanks. So basically I got a HJ/Russian for the Ben. A good release, but certainly not good value in my mind. When you can get a full hour session with a beautiful escort for $$ in a nice place, I'd say that's better value than a $. 9 BJ. In retrospect I should have called one of the ladies that caught my eye on Backpage or in the magazine, or went to Nagoya to try Judy. For what it's worth, I just don't see the attraction at the Studios. But that's just me.

[Tampasm]

Any reports on Executive on Busch?I have been to The Executive at the old location and as recently as of today stopped at their new location. Took a session with a girl named brianna. Now not to confuse you they have 2 brianna's that work there. The brianna I seen and another lady who goes by the name of brianna l. Coxxx. I must say that I have been a regular at thier old location, seen jasmine and lyloni a couple of times who as always was very classy, upscale, & professional, but this brianna chick totally freaked me out asking if I was affilitaded with le in any manor. At that moment I was ready to go but I had already given her the minimum (140) so I figured I would stay and see what progressed. Well the show started off as usual, then all hell broke loose when this chick undressed. Fat fell from everywhere, and this awful aroma was next. But I am a man who has needs, & she was eager to please. Now thinking back I wish I would've saved my money and seen jasmine. I might have spent more money, but it would have atleast been worth it. I am sure I will continue to visit their new shop, but will be much more precautes on the choice I make next time. Beware of this chick she looks nothing like the picture in their nightmoves ad, probably why the only show her face! But in all I have always had a nice time their until this one. But hey you can't win them all.

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was orginally written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING and thus it was edited it to normal case lettering. In the future, please do not write reports in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING. Thanks!

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Hi Tampasm,

I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

Would you please refrain from WRITING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!

It's difficult to read and it's time consuming to fix.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

[Tampasm]

I Have Been To The Executive At The Old Location And As Recently As Of Today Stopped At Their New Location. Took A Session With A Girl Named Brianna. Now Not To Confuse You They Have 2 Brianna's That Work There. The Brianna I Seen And Another Lady Who Goes By The Name Of Brianna L. Coxxx. I Must Say That I Have Been A Regular At Thier Old Location, Seen Jasmine And Lyloni A Couple Of Times Who As Always Was Very Classy, Upscale, & Professional, But This Brianna Chick Totally Freaked Me Out Asking If I Was Affilitaded With Le In Any Manor. At That Moment I Was Ready To Go But I Had Already Given Her The Minimum (140) So I Figured I Would Stay And See What Progressed. Well The Show Started Off As Usual, Then All Hell Broke Loose When This Chick Undressed. Fat Fell From Everywhere, And This Awful Aroma Was Next. But I Am A Man Who Has Needs, & She Was Eager To Please. Now Thinking Back I Wish I Would've Saved My Money And Seen Jasmine. I Might Have Spent More Money, But It Would Have Atleast Been Worth It. I Am Sure I Will Continue To Visit Their New Shop, But Will Be Much More Precautes On The Choice I Make Next Time. Beware Of This Chick She Looks Nothing Like The Picture In Their Nightmoves Ad, Probably Why The Only Show Her Face! But In All I Have Always Had A Nice Time Their Until This One. But Hey You Cant Win Them All.

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Hi Tampasm,

I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

[Tampasm]

Any reports on Executive on Busch?I have been to The Executive at the old location and as recently as of today stopped at their new location. Took a session with a girl named brianna. Now not to confuse you they have 2 brianna's that work there. The brianna I seen and another lady who goes by the name of brianna l. Coxxx. I must say that I have been a regular at thier old location, seen jasmine and lyloni a couple of times who as always was very classy, upscale, & professional, but this brianna chick totally freaked me out asking if I was affilitaded with le in any manor. At that moment I was ready to go but I had already given her the minimum (140) so I figured I would stay and see what progressed. Well the show started off as usual, then all hell broke loose when this chick undressed. Fat fell from everywhere, and this awful aroma was next. But I am a man who has needs, & she was eager to please. Now thinking back I wish I would've saved my money and seen jasmine. I might have spent more money, but it would have atleast been worth it. I am sure I will continue to visit their new shop, but will be much more precautes on the choice I make next time. Beware of this chick she looks nothing like the picture in their nightmoves ad, probably why the only show her face! But in all I have always had a nice time their until this one. But hey you can't win them all.

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was orginally written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING and thus it was edited it to normal case lettering. In the future, please do not write reports in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING. Thanks!

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Hi Tampasm,

I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

Would you please refrain from WRITING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!

It's difficult to read and it's time consuming to fix.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

[J Melbourne27]

Drove by the place where The Executive is and it was painted white with a 'For Rent' sign in the front.

Guess we're starting to see the effects of these economic times.


I have been to The Executive at the old location and as recently as of today stopped at their new location. Took a session with a girl named brianna. Now not to confuse you they have 2 brianna's that work there. The brianna I seen and another lady who goes by the name of brianna l. Coxxx. I must say that I have been a regular at thier old location, seen jasmine and lyloni a couple of times who as always was very classy, upscale, & professional, but this brianna chick totally freaked me out asking if I was affilitaded with le in any manor. At that moment I was ready to go but I had already given her the minimum (140) so I figured I would stay and see what progressed. Well the show started off as usual, then all hell broke loose when this chick undressed. Fat fell from everywhere, and this awful aroma was next. But I am a man who has needs, & she was eager to please. Now thinking back I wish I would've saved my money and seen jasmine. I might have spent more money, but it would have atleast been worth it. I am sure I will continue to visit their new shop, but will be much more precautes on the choice I make next time. Beware of this chick she looks nothing like the picture in their nightmoves ad, probably why the only show her face! But in all I have always had a nice time their until this one. But hey you can't win them all.

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was orginally written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING and thus it was edited it to normal case lettering. In the future, please do not write reports in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING. Thanks!

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Hi Tampasm,

I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

Would you please refrain from WRITING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!

It's difficult to read and it's time consuming to fix.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

[Cheesy Rider]

I was checking to see if that place was still open. I Googled it and Phonepagesinc.com came up with that listing at 4644 W Gandy in Tampa. That's where the J Spa is at. I called the number listed and it belongs to Massage Studio on Bay to Bay Blvd. The girl said they are open till 9:00 pm but normally they need an appointment. I raced over there to check it out and it looks like a legit day spa place complete with beauty care products, etc. The two girls at the counter were conservatively dressed and definitely pegged the needle on the cute-o-meter but not slutty looking by any means. I decided not to make an appointment.

I was going to take one for the team, but I'm 99% sure this is just a wild goose chase.

[Incaller]

Drove by the place where The Executive is and it was painted white with a 'For Rent' sign in the front.

Guess we're starting to see the effects of these economic times.

Showgirls in Valrico is gone too, no great monger loss there though.

[Four For 5]

I was checking to see if that place was still open. I Googled it and Phonepagesinc.com came up with that listing at 4644 W Gandy in Tampa. That's where the J Spa is at. I called the number listed and it belongs to Massage Studio on Bay to Bay Blvd. The girl said they are open till 9:00 pm but normally they need an appointment. I raced over there to check it out and it looks like a legit day spa place complete with beauty care products, etc. The two girls at the counter were conservatively dressed and definitely pegged the needle on the cute-o-meter but not slutty looking by any means. I decided not to make an appointment.

I was going to take one for the team, but I'm 99% sure this is just a wild goose chase.I frequented an "Uptown" off Florida Ave north of Waters back in 2000-2001. A girl there going by the name of Chelsea is/was one of my ATF. Short dirty blond hair, 5'8"-5'9" 110-115lbs, nice enhancements, kind of big front teeth, and a total GFE. Would love to know her where-abouts. I know this doesn't help with your Uptown but you sort of pushed the button on my way back machine.

[R Consultant]

A few years back I used to date a girl who worked at a jack shack. What a joke it really was. She used to live off the motto the better the tip the better the show. Thats what it is to a "show". If your into rub and tuggin yourself then its your cup of tea.

But if not I can't suggest a Lingerie Shop. We have one 34st/62 ave N and they don't do anything exciting. Its been years since I have been in there but I can't imagine them changing.


Happy Hunting..



I'm thinking Lingerie shops are, while not a blatent rip off, not a good value. Ie not a lot of bang for a lot of bucks. After my experience at the spa in Hudson, and the 7315 Armenia studio, I am not a fan of "Pre Tipping" Last night after busting out at the Hard Rock, I was in need of a woman. In the Night Moves magazine an ad for 7315 Lingerie modeling caught my eye so after a fruitless cruise up Nebraska and Hillsboro, I headed on over. Three lovely ladies greeted me. I was briefed on the "session" For. 4 I would use the room and the tips started at $ for the lady of my choice. OK I was there and thought I'd TOFTT, so I chose Camille, a black BBW with really nice boobies. She said put your tip on the table and I'll be right back. OK. A ben on the table and she comes back and takes off her dress and "models" in her bra and panties. The bra comes off and wow, the fun bags are out to play. I get "comfortable" She asks if I want to "upsell" the session. $. 5 would be for her french skills. NO thanks. So basically I got a HJ/Russian for the Ben. A good release, but certainly not good value in my mind. When you can get a full hour session with a beautiful escort for $$ in a nice place, I'd say that's better value than a $. 9 BJ. In retrospect I should have called one of the ladies that caught my eye on Backpage or in the magazine, or went to Nagoya to try Judy. For what it's worth, I just don't see the attraction at the Studios. But that's just me.

[Tpa48]

A few years back I used to date a girl who worked at a jack shack. What a joke it really was. She used to live off the motto the better the tip the better the show. Thats what it is to a "show". If your into rub and tuggin yourself then its your cup of tea.

But if not I can't suggest a Lingerie Shop. We have one 34st/62 ave N and they don't do anything exciting. Its been years since I have been in there but I can't imagine them changing.


Happy Hunting..

I used to visit the Executive when they were on Armenia. I can say that I had very good times with most of the girls there for about the same $$ as any escort around town. Like anything else I think it is just YMMV.

[Logi17]

I had some good times there right before they closed.

Also for less than an escort and just as good.

[Drew Park]

A few years back I used to date a girl who worked at a jack shack. What a joke it really was. She used to live off the motto the better the tip the better the show. Thats what it is to a "show". If your into rub and tuggin yourself then its your cup of tea....Its been years since I have been in there but I can't imagine them changing.

I have probably hit all of them at one time or another and RC is right. The only worthwhile place was ETS on Alva when Sonya was there. Ahhhhhhh, the memories.

[Legalize it]

While it is sometimes true lingerie shops are not always the best value, they have an advantage in that you can meet the girl before you pay. With an escort, you never know who you are going to see at the door. I think it's also safer than going to some girl's strange incall location. If you ever went to Xposed, you know they had some really hot girls working there too.

[G Money Cool]

A few years back I used to date a girl who worked at a jack shack. What a joke it really was. She used to live off the motto the better the tip the better the show. Thats what it is to a "show". If your into rub and tuggin yourself then its your cup of tea.

But if not I can't suggest a Lingerie Shop. We have one 34st/62 ave N and they don't do anything exciting. Its been years since I have been in there but I can't imagine them changing.

Happy Hunting..Agree whole-heartedly about shops. Waste of time in my experience.

By the way, 7315 is now fully on-board with the "Tampa Escorts Verified" scam. Holly has a profile up and is pimping her girls on his message board. So of course Josh is throwing his support behind it. As opposed to the girl Ariel that he has labelled as 'Not Recommended' because, in his words, she "has a shop girl mentality". I guess it's not what you do, or how you do it, but it all boils down to who you know.

[Club7315]

Agree whole-heartedly about shops. Waste of time in my experience.

By the way, 7315 is now fully on-board with the "Tampa Escorts Verified" scam. Holly has a profile up and is pimping her girls on his message board. So of course Josh is throwing his support behind it. As opposed to the girl Ariel that he has labelled as 'Not Recommended' because, in his words, she "has a shop girl mentality". I guess it's not what you do, or how you do it, but it all boils down to who you know.If you wish to educate me on something you seem to know then by all means do so. I find it absoulutely amazing how many people there are who are so willing to vomit their opinions on topics they have no information on. Unless you have met me and know me I can promise you that you have no idea what my thoughts or intentions are for anything.

Holly

[Logi17]

A few months back I had 2 awesome early morning(when they were open 24 hours) sessions here with a girl named Lexi.

I have been meaning to get back there, but it's been difficult to get over there during new hours.

A friend has visited there with a few girls and has not had any complaints.
So, it's like every sw, amp, escort, etc YMMV.

Go in clean, go in with a good attitude and 75% of the time you will get a good deal and good service.

[R Consultant]

Effective information gathering is the most basic thing you can do. G Money provided good quality information with the source. The higher quality of background he gave is much better than you throwing vomit remarks around.

So whats your story? Instead of unwanted remarks that show you might be guilty. You should show that his statement is incorrect. I didn't see anything in your post subjective to that at all.

Happy Hunting..




If you wish to educate me on something you seem to know then by all means do so. I find it absoulutely amazing how many people there are who are so willing to vomit their opinions on topics they have no information on. Unless you have met me and know me I can promise you that you have no idea what my thoughts or intentions are for anything.

Holly

[J Melbourne27]

If you have specific 'experience' that invalidates Club 7315 please provided details and specific dates. Do not just allude to it being a waste of time 'in your experience.'

If you don't have a specific story to tell then you don't have an experience and someone will need to personally go to Club 7315 and give us a detailed account.


Agree whole-heartedly about shops. Waste of time in my experience.

By the way, 7315 is now fully on-board with the "Tampa Escorts Verified" scam. Holly has a profile up and is pimping her girls on his message board. So of course Josh is throwing his support behind it. As opposed to the girl Ariel that he has labelled as 'Not Recommended' because, in his words, she "has a shop girl mentality". I guess it's not what you do, or how you do it, but it all boils down to who you know.

[J Melbourne27]

I'd say people are into the Lingerie shops because they are low-risk.

At a lingerie shop there's no chance of her being LEO or of her BF appearing out of nowhere, and it is a structured environment where there is very little guess work and you get to see what you're getting before you buy, or not buy at all.

Strip clubs are an alternative to this, but the guess work is getting the girl to do what you want and avoiding management, as well as strip clubs costing $$$ for very little time.

MPs are are ok but many of them ask for high $$ entrance fees and I have heard before that when you enter sometimes you regret even being there. You have to do a LOT of research on an MP before you choose one and even then sometimes you'll pay the $$$, go in, and be offered a selection of ex-SWs or 50yo has-beens who've seen more cock than a chicken fighting organizer.

I've dropped by a few of the Lingerie places around Tampa and haven't been impressed by what I've seen. Most of them have old ex-strippers who seem to be using the lingerie $ to keep up the maintenance on their over-modified bodies but not bothering to work out.


A few years back I used to date a girl who worked at a jack shack. What a joke it really was. She used to live off the motto the better the tip the better the show. Thats what it is to a "show". If your into rub and tuggin yourself then its your cup of tea.

But if not I can't suggest a Lingerie Shop. We have one 34st/62 ave N and they don't do anything exciting. Its been years since I have been in there but I can't imagine them changing.

Happy Hunting..

[Chase Star]

Once again RConsultant has a valid point. Let's follow this chain of posts from its REAL source:
I'm thinking Lingerie shops are, while not a blatent rip off, not a good value. Ie not a lot of bang for a lot of bucks. After my experience at the spa in Hudson, and the 7315 Armenia studio, I am not a fan of "Pre Tipping" Last night after busting out at the Hard Rock, I was in need of a woman. In the Night Moves magazine an ad for 7315 Lingerie modeling caught my eye so after a fruitless cruise up Nebraska and Hillsboro, I headed on over. Three lovely ladies greeted me. I was briefed on the "session" For. 4 I would use the room and the tips started at $ for the lady of my choice. OK I was there and thought I'd TOFTT, so I chose Camille, a black BBW with really nice boobies. She said put your tip on the table and I'll be right back. OK. A ben on the table and she comes back and takes off her dress and "models" in her bra and panties. The bra comes off and wow, the fun bags are out to play. I get "comfortable" She asks if I want to "upsell" the session. $. 5 would be for her french skills. NO thanks. So basically I got a HJ/Russian for the Ben. A good release, but certainly not good value in my mind. When you can get a full hour session with a beautiful escort for $$ in a nice place, I'd say that's better value than a $. 9 BJ. In retrospect I should have called one of the ladies that caught my eye on Backpage or in the magazine, or went to Nagoya to try Judy. For what it's worth, I just don't see the attraction at the Studios. But that's just me.
A few years back I used to date a girl who worked at a jack shack. What a joke it really was. She used to live off the motto the better the tip the better the show. Thats what it is to a "show". If your into rub and tuggin yourself then its your cup of tea.

But if not I can't suggest a Lingerie Shop. ...

Happy Hunting...
Agree whole-heartedly about shops. Waste of time in my experience.

By the way, 7315 is now fully on-board with the "Tampa Escorts Verified" scam. Holly has a profile up and is pimping her girls on his message board. So of course Josh is throwing his support behind it. As opposed to the girl Ariel that he has labelled as 'Not Recommended' because, in his words, she "has a shop girl mentality". I guess it's not what you do, or how you do it, but it all boils down to who you know.
If you wish to educate me on something you seem to know then by all means do so. I find it absoulutely amazing how many people there are who are so willing to vomit their opinions on topics they have no information on. Unless you have met me and know me I can promise you that you have no idea what my thoughts or intentions are for anything.

HollySo this whole chain started from a 1st hand account by Horn Dog Too (ie on something he DID know something about) who, BTW, also happens to be a Sr. Member with 120 posts to his credit. In that post he described what could only be described as an EXTREMELY poor value session he got at Holly's shop, a story she has yet to dispute.

R Consultant, perhaps the most Sr. and respected of members here, responded to that post with his opinion, based on a long term personal relationship with a girl who worked in such places, that Lingerie shops in GENERAL are basically Jack Shacks where you always get jacked for your money and usually also wind up having to jack yourself unless you have the small fortune it takes to get the EXTRA service. Okay, he did generalize them ALL to be SELF-service and HD2 did get his 7315 girl Camille to provide him with a Russian/HJ (for $140, woohoo!!!), but his larger point was that, in his opinion which I happen to share, ALL of the places (including 7315) are EXTREMELY poor values.

Then G Money Cool weighs in. He's not a Sr. Member but he does have nearly 100 posts, some offering just his opinion, like we ALL often do on this DISCUSSION boards, but also many with informative 1st hand information. BTW, NOWHERE in his post did he even allude to know Holly/Club7315's thoughts or intentions. What he did do was add to RC's comment that Holly "advertises" on the TEV blog. Apparently, a FACT. Holly/Club7315 complains that GMC is just offering his opinion on something he has no information on but is she disputing that she now has a prominent presence on that blogsite? Add to that what we ALL know about what it often takes to get any favorable treatment on that site by its owner. Another FACT based on numerous reports by other providers. Put those facts together and GMC's insinuation, that Club7315's favorable reviews on that blog are solely a reflection of heavily discounted sessions or freebies or even possibly cash compensation that she is providing to that scum, seems like a perfectly reasonable opinion to offer. Or are we to believe that a business operation that has many paid advertisements elsewhere and numerous girls that are all suddenly getting favorable reviews was the ONE entity that the TEV blogger didn't shake down for compensation (and get it)?

But that wasn't even his main point. He concluded with the parallel observation that another INDEPENDENT provider was put down by that same blog site for having a "shop girl mentality". Again, Holly/Club7315 in her critique of GMC did not dispute that FACT either. Finally, GMC concludes that extolling the virtues of one set of girls who actually WORK IN A SHOP and reportedly practice the same typical "shop girl" UPSELL techniques, while panning another girl for ALLEGEDLY doing the very same thing is incredibly hypocritical and is just another example of why we can't really put much stock in ANYTHING this guy says. In other words, GMC's post wasn't even primarily about that particular shop or even about the independent girl with the supposedly "shop girl mentality". It was an attack on Josh that clearly and fairly laid out its basis.

To the extent it also denigrated "poor Holly" and her place of business, I can only say "well, boohoo". As I've said before, if you lay down with dogs, then don't complain if you get fleas. Holly seems to think that just because she can afford to place a lot of ads in such magazines as Night Moves that we should regard her as a well managed and reputable business. And perhaps it is well-managed to the extent it is making lots of money for Holly. However, those of us who have been practicing this hobby here in Tampa for any length of time know that many if not most of the ads in such magazines are for overpriced if not out and out rip-off clubs, agencies and a few independents, who can only afford the high advertising rates because of the high rates they pass on to their customers.

For all her crying about her unfair treatment on this board, she has yet to dispute that what her girls demand for their limited service AFTER their customer lays down his 1st $40 VASTLY exceeds the typical rates for most escorts in this area. And being in a high traffic fixed location also subjects those customers to arguably as great or greater legal or personal risk (based on the reports of police stakeouts and at least one guy who was stopped by police after leaving her business and being reported by them to his wife, YIKES!!! I'd rather just be arrested.)

IMHO, this place's association with a shady operation like the TEV blogsite (an association we don't want to reward) is just icing on the cake. Add to that the fact that, like all such places, you have to pay a small fortune to get anything more than a do-it-yourself HJ and that, like all such places, you are no more safe, and perhaps much less safe, from a legal or personal risk standpoint than taking your chances with much more reliably reviewed CL girls. Based on all that, you won't find me trying out this place. But then that's just me "vomitting" my opinion on a topic I probably have no real information on.

[R Consultant]

Chase you are the Man....... That's the best example of ascertain of these posts and existence of information. You did go through and access material facts which does completely substantiate what was originally discussed.

Chase has ruled and that's the bottom lime. I would gather my wits together to predict an uncooperative party is precluded from denying or contradicting the matters that have been readily posted for their consumption.

The End..

Happy Hunting..






Once again RConsultant has a valid point. Let's follow this chain of posts from its REAL source:So this whole chain started from a 1st hand account by Horn Dog Too (ie on something he DID know something about) who, BTW, also happens to be a Sr. Member with 120 posts to his credit. In that post he described what could only be described as an EXTREMELY poor value session he got at Holly's shop, a story she has yet to dispute.

R Consultant, perhaps the most Sr. and respected of members here, responded to that post with his opinion, based on a long term personal relationship with a girl who worked in such places, that Lingerie shops in GENERAL are basically Jack Shacks where you always get jacked for your money and usually also wind up having to jack yourself unless you have the small fortune it takes to get the EXTRA service. Okay, he did generalize them ALL to be SELF-service and HD2 did get his 7315 girl Camille to provide him with a Russian/HJ (for $140, woohoo!!!), but his larger point was that, in his opinion which I happen to share, ALL of the places (including 7315) are EXTREMELY poor values.

Then G Money Cool weighs in. He's not a Sr. Member but he does have nearly 100 posts, some offering just his opinion, like we ALL often do on this DISCUSSION boards, but also many with informative 1st hand information. BTW, NOWHERE in his post did he even allude to know Holly/Club7315's thoughts or intentions. What he did do was add to RC's comment that Holly "advertises" on the TEV blog. Apparently, a FACT. Holly/Club7315 complains that GMC is just offering his opinion on something he has no information on but is she disputing that she now has a prominent presence on that blogsite? Add to that what we ALL know about what it often takes to get any favorable treatment on that site by its owner. Another FACT based on numerous reports by other providers. Put those facts together and GMC's insinuation, that Club7315's favorable reviews on that blog are solely a reflection of heavily discounted sessions or freebies or even possibly cash compensation that she is providing to that scum, seems like a perfectly reasonable opinion to offer. Or are we to believe that a business operation that has many paid advertisements elsewhere and numerous girls that are all suddenly getting favorable reviews was the ONE entity that the TEV blogger didn't shake down for compensation (and get it)?

But that wasn't even his main point. He concluded with the parallel observation that another INDEPENDENT provider was put down by that same blog site for having a "shop girl mentality". Again, Holly/Club7315 in her critique of GMC did not dispute that FACT either. Finally, GMC concludes that extolling the virtues of one set of girls who actually WORK IN A SHOP and reportedly practice the same typical "shop girl" UPSELL techniques, while panning another girl for ALLEGEDLY doing the very same thing is incredibly hypocritical and is just another example of why we can't really put much stock in ANYTHING this guy says. In other words, GMC's post wasn't even primarily about that particular shop or even about the independent girl with the supposedly "shop girl mentality". It was an attack on Josh that clearly and fairly laid out its basis.

To the extent it also denigrated "poor Holly" and her place of business, I can only say "well, boohoo". As I've said before, if you lay down with dogs, then don't complain if you get fleas. Holly seems to think that just because she can afford to place a lot of ads in such magazines as Night Moves that we should regard her as a well managed and reputable business. And perhaps it is well-managed to the extent it is making lots of money for Holly. However, those of us who have been practicing this hobby here in Tampa for any length of time know that many if not most of the ads in such magazines are for overpriced if not out and out rip-off clubs, agencies and a few independents, who can only afford the high advertising rates because of the high rates they pass on to their customers.

For all her crying about her unfair treatment on this board, she has yet to dispute that what her girls demand for their limited service AFTER their customer lays down his 1st $40 VASTLY exceeds the typical rates for most escorts in this area. And being in a high traffic fixed location also subjects those customers to arguably as great or greater legal or personal risk (based on the reports of police stakeouts and at least one guy who was stopped by police after leaving her business and being reported by them to his wife, YIKES!!! I'd rather just be arrested.)

IMHO, this place's association with a shady operation like the TEV blogsite (an association we don't want to reward) is just icing on the cake. Add to that the fact that, like all such places, you have to pay a small fortune to get anything more than a do-it-yourself HJ and that, like all such places, you are no more safe, and perhaps much less safe, from a legal or personal risk standpoint than taking your chances with much more reliably reviewed CL girls. Based on all that, you won't find me trying out this place. But then that's just me "vomitting" my opinion on a topic I probably have no real information on.

[Logi17]

I know I am not a SR. Member and I don't have a lot of posts. And my experience with Club 7315 is a few months old. Again you have too much YMMV with anyone you see. Shops are great if you are driving by and just have the urge you can jump in and out without too much time lost or money lost.

My first Club 72315 experience with Lexi was door fee of $40. 00 and then I gave her tip of a little over $ and got a nice cbj.

Next visit the following week, she remembered me and waived the door fee. So I gave her a little under $$ and started out with cbj and she asked for more $$ told her that was all I had and she hopped on my covered stick and rode me good. It was early morning both times around 7am.

My last two experiences at Executive were almost identical. Early am before 8; first time was with a latino that spoke nearly no english. Gave her door fee and very little over $ and she had no covers and let me roam all around. Finished with cum on tits.

2nd experience was with Brianna L. Coxx. Only had a very little over $ and got lots of playing around and Russian.

Both were good times.

Same thing in Clearwater at Fantasy in Lingerie. Have had 2 that did nothing but dance. And 2 that gave aggressive HJ's one less than $ and one a little over $.

[Dan Smith 69]

I'm thinking Lingerie shops are, while not a blatent rip off, not a good value. For what it's worth, I just don't see the attraction at the Studios..... But that's just me.Being a member of the lower class on this board-- you know, the proverbial NON-SR member type, this post should carry the weight it deserves. One man's opinion.

I remember reading a post a while back wherein one of our illustrious "senior members" (NOT horn dog too, btw) described a streetwalker he had invested $40 in as being one of the hottest women he had ever encountered. While I will not argue with his characterization, I am willing to wager that said "senior member" and I have very different tastes when it comes to women. Me describing a streetwalker on nebraska avenue as one of the "hottest" women I've ever encountered would only apply if she happened to have caught her hair on fire while lighting her crack pipe. For some here, streetwalkers are way of life. For me, I'll pass thank you very much.

Likewise, for some, "shops" are not their thing. They are viewed as too pricey or fall short in the areas of service expected, etc. Fair enough. But value, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Back before the advent of the internet all I knew about call girls was what I saw in the movies or read in the newspaper. I stumbled my way into this "hobby" by way of a "shop". I had low expectations going in but enjoyed it nontheless. My job made me leery of calling on escorts through a service and "independents" were non-existant at least as far as I knew then. Even now, the screening process gives me serious pause. I visited a few different places over time and found a couple of girls that I enjoyed seeing. FS was not something I sought nor expected then and I got what I was looking for. My general experience with "shops" is that familiarity gives the girls a comfort level that allows a natural progression of enhanced service. It also will open the door to off campus meetings that let your now lady "friend" keep all of the gift you provide. And I must confess, being rather naive about such matters then, there was something exciting about the "seediness" of walking in to such an illicit place and checking out the lineup of the ladies-finding someone there who sparked my fancy or turning around and leaving without repurcussion when such was not the case. No one knew my name and no one cared.

My hobby activity has slowed in recent years, mainly due to on again off again relationships. But one lady I do continue to regularly "entertain" is one I met years ago in a shop. We all have our own particular peccadillos when it comes to this hobby. The anonymity of a relatively safe shop environment does have an appeal.

As to the whole value question, I've had many good and some not so good experiences. But then I could say the same about women in general--LOL. I will readily concede that if you're a bargain shopper, lingerie modeling places may not be for you. But for some of us, money is not the overriding factor it appears to be for others. For me, for a variety of reasons, the shops I frequented in the past met my needs at the time- it was of value to me and I suspect to others as well.

[G Money Cool]

If you have specific 'experience' that invalidates Club 7315 please provided details and specific dates. Do not just allude to it being a waste of time 'in your experience.'

If you don't have a specific story to tell then you don't have an experience and someone will need to personally go to Club 7315 and give us a detailed account.My statement that shops are a waste of time was a generalization, based on several trips to shops, in Tampa and in other towns. I was agreeing with a few others who were in a conversation that shops are not worth the $$. It's opinion. Even if I told you a specific shop and a specific girl, it still comes down to an opinion of whether I thought the service is good or not. And in my dozen or so trips to shops over the years, it's never been worthwhile.

I think I offended Holly by mentioning 7315 in the same post. I did not mean to imply it is the worst of the shops. I have no info that says 7315 is better or worse than any other shop. I believe Chase has explained why I mentioned 7315 and it's affiliation with the TEV blog.

In the interest of full disclosure, I see there is another shop that is tied in with the TEV board. Executive 19 in Pinellas Park. Again, to be clear, I have not visited that shop. However, I do find it ironic that a message board that purports to be a grass-roots source of legitimate reviews is looking more and more like a paid advertisement site with a chat room. And there's nothing wrong with paid advertising. But masquerading as a legit review board and then selectively running girls out of business because they don't "play the game" is where I have a problem.

Every girl (or shop) that willingly participates in the TEV scam is making it that much more difficult for the girls who truly want to remain independent and in control of their own destinies. Knowing what I know about the TEV board and the tactics that have been used against uncooperative girls, I will not see a provider who actively supports/enables what he's doing over there. Perhaps it's futile, but it's about all I can do. I think there are others here who are like-minded. Hence, I mentioned that a shop is TEV-positive in case that affects anyone else's decision to support that shop.

[Club7315]

Let’S clear the air on this subject and I’ll start by giving you some background.

I only found TEV by looking at my website stats and seeing a URL with ". /club7315_review" listed as a referrer link. Obviously I was curious and clicked the URL only to find that it was a members only site. I did some looking around and found the email address of the admin and sent him an email asking if I could join. I then got an email asking me to call him to verify that it was me before he would allow me access, which I did. We had a pleasant conversation about what the site is about and why he created it, after which he allowed me to be a member. And why wouldn’t I join? I’m always looking for ways to get the word out about the club and the girls (me included. I think a lot of you forget that I work there as well). I haven’t been asked for anything, I haven’t paid anything, and to tell you the truth I haven’t spent much time there other than creating a profile and posting a few comments in the forums replying to the original review of the club. What I can tell you is that everyone who has left comments for me has been very nice and I haven’t seen anything like what you’re describing. Does that mean it’s not true? No, just that I haven’t seen it, and until I do I see no reason not to associate myself with the site. I know the moderators of the site as well as I know you, not at all, and have no reason not to take him at his word until I have a reason not to.

As for our ads. I don’t understand why the quality of our ads and where they’re placed is something to attack us about. All of the shops run ads, ours are just better looking (in my opinion). It just happens that a really good friend of mine is a photographer and graphic designer who does them for me for free, as well as our website. All we have to do is pay for the placement.

As for the club and the girls. The reason I decided to open my own place is because I was tired of the same problems you guys were having; girls up selling, hustling the customers, etc. I love my job and don’t understand why someone would be in this business if they don’t. I also wanted a place to work where I felt comfortable, safe and most importantly appreciated and I realized that to have all of that I had to do it myself. When I opened Club 7315 all of the great girls I’ve worked with at other shops came with me because they were tired of the same thing too. Some who had even quit the business because of all the problems came back because they knew it would be a great place to work and that the girls would have the power to run the place as it should. There are some of you who say that I’m using the girls to make/take money from them. Well, I am one of the girls. The club makes enough to pay for itself and the bills, nothing more. The girls don’t give me anything, only paying the room fee to the club and we all chip in for our ads. Nothing more! I think that’s the one thing that insulted me the most, thinking that I would take advantage of anyone. It definitely shows that you guys don’t know me.

I wanted to create a place where the girls as well as the guys feel comfortable. I think I’ve done that, especially at our new location. Almost all of our business is repeat business so we must be doing something right as far the guys who do come in are concerned. Our prices are fair and in fact lower than what I've seen most escorts advertising so I'm not sure where you're getting your information. And on the rare occasion that I have received complaints I’ve taken them very seriously and have even fired a few girls because of them. I will not and do not tolerate any girl not treating the guys with the utmost respect. I also expect the same in return. All of the girls working at the club want you to leave happy and come again (and again and again).

Is there anything else you would like to know? Unlike everyone else here you have the option of calling me or stopping in to see me. I’ll give you the tour and we can even shoot a game of pool in the game room. The new place is bigger, better, more private/discreet and easier to get to. I’m open to hearing your concerns, criticism or praise (I especially like to hear that I’ve been a good girl). I promise I won’t bite you, unless that’s what you’re into.

XOXOXOXO ~Holly

Private line: (813) 965-8887
Club line: (813) 479-7615

4600 E 7th Ave. Ybor City

[Club7315]

The model line is (813) 479-7315

Holly

[Chase Star]

Holly,
Now that was a perfectly reasoned and well written response to the discussion. I'm prepared to take you at your word that no special favors were requested of you prior (or since) your appearance on that blogsite. It would be highly unusual given the other widespread and highly credible reports concerning that site (which I encourage you to research), but I certainly couldn't say the experiences you're reporting were absolutely impossible.

That all being said, you're also now very much aware of the very bad reputation that site has here and elsewhere. Given that, only you can decide whether the benefit of promoting your shop on a board with a tightly closed and restricted membership offsets the natural suspicions that relationship causes on this open board (ie with a much larger potential viewership) and elsewhere. As I've said to other providers before, only you can make that decision, however, knowing those trade-offs, if you decide to try continue your association with that blogsite, then you shouldn't complain about the bad PR it may also cause here and elsewhere.

Beyond those practical concerns, as a woman who purports to be concerned about the working conditions for yourself and your fellow providers (which I'm also prepared to accept as true), then you should also ask yourself whether, through your membership on that board, you want to lend any credence to a site which has been associated with the sorts of actions that guy has been charged with against so many of your fellow providers.

I'm also willing to take you at your word about how you manage your business and split up your revenues and expenses. I didn't actually charge you with pimping, but I can see how it certainly could have seemed that way to you and for that I apologize. However, regardless of how you manage the financial aspects of your business, the bottom line is the same. Those ads in Nightmoves that you're so proud of may look very nice and slick but I'm sure they don't come cheap (even with free photography) and whether you think you're paying for it or your girls are paying for it, the pockets it really comes out of in the end are your customers as you invariably pass those costs along with the rest of your overhead in your prices. Yes, ALL of the shops run ads, though not all of them run so many or pay for better placement. However, when I wrote that point, I never said it did not apply to the other shops. In fact, my point was really that ALL of the shops (and agencies and independent providers who advertise in that way) have extra expenses that they have to make up for in some way.

As I said, I found most of what you just wrote perfectly reasonable and believable. I just have a few remaining questions about some of the things you just wrote AND what you failed to address.

1) You wrote "I was tired of the same problems you guys were having; girls up selling, hustling the customers, etc.", but isn't upselling by very definition part of the lingerie shop experience? After all, its not like you or your girls say in your ads, or even once the customer arrives at your door, what the full price will be. It is only after the customer is "locked in" for the $40 door fee that he can find that out. Hopefully, he can still think with his big head rather than his little one at that point. What do you say to that?

2) You also wrote "Our prices are fair and in fact lower than what I've seen most escorts advertising". I have to wonder where you've seen most escorts advertising. What I've seen is most escorts advertising f/s full hour sessions for $200 with more and more of them coming down even further below that. What I've read about your shop is $40 to get in and even find out what the upsell rates will be and then $100 for HJ/Russian or $150 for a BJ (most likely covered). And how long does that session last? That is nearly as much for a relatively quick and plain BJ as we would pay an escort for a f/s hour. Am I wrong about those rates and how is that lower than the real rates that escorts are advertising outside of pricey and slick mags like nightmoves?

3) How do you respond to the specific experience described by Horn Dog 2? Are you also disputing what he wrote? Did he complain to you or now that you've read his account of his session with Camille, did you take the complaint seriously (as you've said you've taken other complaints) and did you fire her (as you said you have with others) or is she still working at your shop providing the same sorts of sessions to others?

4) Do you at least acknowledge that your positive treatment on the TEV blogsite was in direct contradiction to what another provider was criticised for, namely having a "shop girl" mentality? After all, all your girls actually ARE shop girls, who I'm sure exhibited the exact same behavior as that girl once they got behind the closed door and then had to "close the deal" by pitching their varying levels of service for different additional payments. As was clarified, that was main point of all these posts any way. And what does that tell you about the fairness and credibility of that site?

When you get down to it, most of the comments that I wrote could apply equally well to ANY of the lingerie shops and I think I said as much in my post. Naturally, my choice of comments are both the basis of and are influenced by my personal view of lingerie shops. Clearly some other guys have a different view or you and your competitors wouldn't still be in business. Those guys may or may not agree with some of my observations but they also see positive advantages to using lingerie shops that outweigh any disadvantage. Personally, I do not but I can't say one side is definitively right or wrong. If some guys go to lingerie shops and it works for THEM, who am I to say they are wrong?

[Clinton Bush]

I have probably hit all of them at one time or another and RC is right. The only worthwhile place was ETS on Alva when Sonya was there. Ahhhhhhh, the memories.

Does anyone know whether she is still in the area? She was my all time favorite provider and a great friend as well.

[Club7315]

First of all I find the idea of guilt by association abhorrent, which is exactly what you are eluding to. Is what you’re saying true? I don’t know. Should I act on your word and disassociate myself from TEV without coming to my own conclusions? Of course not. Some of the same things can be said about this site in regards to unnecessarily negative posts from very biased members. You have to learn to read between the lines.

The fact is that for every person that posts here there are hundreds of people who do not, they just merely read our babbling back and forth. I would hope that the majority of those out there reading this are capable of coming to their own conclusion, or at the very least seeing for themselves what we have to offer regardless of what some of you may say about lingerie shops. We’re different, period!

I have also noticed in your posts that I have read, and I have neither the time nor the inclination to read them all, that you often use phrasing such as “to my understanding” or “from a reliable source” or “from what I’ve read” and such. This tells me, and I hope to those readers I mentioned earlier, that a lot of what you and saying is not from firsthand experience. This is not an insult just an observation. If I’m wrong and you do have some actual “I was there” information then please let me know.

My ads do cost and yes we all pitch in to pay for them, but your thoughts on this topic also shows me that you do not know much about the way shops work. With the cost of the ads divided by the number of girls divided by the number of sessions the “cost” per customer comes out to somewhere between $2 and $3. If this is too much overhead for you then lingerie shops are definitely not for you. Yes, a business has overhead and yes, some of those costs get passed on but it’s the amount that you think the customers are paying is where you are wrong.


1. Up selling, negotiation, haggling or whatever you want to call it is a part of any business process. You’d be hard pressed to name a business that doesn’t employ it to some level. And actually yes, the girls are more than happy to discuss prices even before the room fee is paid (“I’ll model my “full” wardrobe for xxx, “half” for xxx or a “handful” of things for xxx” if you get my meaning). Besides, we do tell the customer over the phone and in person that tipping usually starts at $100. If that’s all he wants to spend then he’ll still have a great time. There is nothing shady about this. Yes, there is some vagueness until there is a certain level of comfort reached by the girl before she will be overly specific. You have to remember, you know what she does for a living while she does not know what you do. I’m sure you know what I mean by that. We’re also more than happy to give a customer his room fee back if the negotiation process is not to his liking, as long as the session hasn’t started. If this is the treatment you have gotten from other shops then I’m sorry, but I can promise you that it’s not the way we do business and if anyone ever has a contradictory experience at Club 7315 I ask that you bring it to my attention immediately.

2. The only thing I would like to say in response to this is that you get what you pay for. See Item 1 above.

3. No, I was not informed of the specific incident you are referring to from anyone here. What I do know about it was what she told me about it immediately afterwards. I do not make it a practice to fire a girl over one complaint. To think I would is absurd.

4. No, because we do not have the “shop girl” mentality you are speaking of. Again, see above. You do realize that the basis of the “model” – “customer” relationship is a business relationship right? You worded your reply using phrases like “close the deal” and “pitching their varying levels of service”. Sounds like a business transaction to me, and the sooner and painlessly it’s completed the sooner everyone has fun.

You may never change your mind about lingerie shops, and to tell you the truth I’m not trying to. I’m merely trying put some real information out there. The fact is that you are mostly right, just not about us. Lingerie shops are a very positive experience for many guys. They don’t have to have someone come to their home or the inconvenience of getting a hotel room. They also don’t have to worry about the girl arriving not being the person they expected. They have the option of walking away if they don’t like what they see. I’m quite sure that you will find some fault in what I’ve written but I appreciate your civility and hope that it can remain that way. If there’s anything else I can explain or clarify just let me know.

To everyone else reading this; hope to see you soon!

Holly

[Tampa Guy]

Well, here goes my first post after almost 2 years of lurking.

I looked at the Club 7315 website and checked out Holly's pictures. And after reading Holly's posts here, I've come to a conclusion. We have a girl that is hot and smart. A nice combination!

I can't speak for her services or the club's but at a minimum, I figure she may be worth a try.

[Chase Star]

Holly,

Sorry, this is another long one which I hope you'll take the time to read. I appreciate your civility very much too. It shows that people can disagree with each other without being disagreeable. This is in marked contrast to another provider who recently came on this board and wound up getting in flame wars with practically everyone who bothered to engage with her. Personally, I think it is absolutely GREAT that providers like you (and Angeleyez727 and a few others) are here to share your perspectives and I hope you continue to do so.

Re: guilt by association being abhorrent. That may be so, but that doesn't change the fact that it exists and that you have to deal with it (just ask Roland Burris).

Also, while any generalization is just that, a generalization that does not necessarily apply to everyone in that group, most generalizations have at least some basis. Maybe that means it is just a little bit more likely for members of a particular group than for those who aren't or maybe it is a lot more likely. Maybe that is still a small percentage of that group or maybe it applies to most . To the extent, there is some basis for it, generalizations can be a useful for improving your odds of making a safe decision when you lack anything better to go on. That might mean you reject some people who were really okay (false negatives), but that is better than accepting others who really weren't okay (false positives). The possible consequences of making a bad pick in this hobby can be quite great. OTOH, the only real consequence of unfairly passing over a provider is seeing a different one instead. Given the high risks inherent in this hobby AND the usual lack of reliable information that us guys have available to us, we have to use whatever tools we can to reduce our those risks however unfair and abhorent it might seem to you.

Now, rather than fault generalizations as a tool in general, you might more fairly question whether the basis for this particular generalization is valid and on that point in some respects I could see some greater basis for debate.

First, as to regard to the blog-owner himself, you're absolutely right that, unlike you, I have had absolutely no direct 1st-hand contact with that blog-owner OTHER than to have a couple of attempted posts on his site blocked. What is he afraid of? In starked contrast, this site allows the free flow of dissenting opinions. Our own exchange is evidence of that. The only things that ever get censored here are technical issues like copyright violations, topics like sex with minors and understandably flaming and trolling. However, I've read numerous and credible accounts by a variety of providers that support our collective view of that blog site. I've also personally reviewed the other evidence supporting that view including actual direct quotes from that blog site itself and witnessed the convenient removal of some comments from that site when a subsequent story line did not coincide with those earlier comments. Basically, IMHO, any reasonable observer of that site if they look at it carefully can't help but see that the creator has tangled himself up in a web of lies and changing statements that completely destroys any credibility he might have once had.

So the basis for judging him at least is VERY sound, but what does that say about the providers who have been reviewed on his site? To be completely honest and fair, maybe nothing. Those reviews themselves certainly say nothing about those providers. This is where it becomes much more debateable. No one but the blog owner himself can really say how many of his reviews were tainted by free or discounted service or refusal thereof, and he's not about to admit to anything. Was it only 10% or was it more like 90%? If it was the former, then I might agree with your view that our generalization is unfair. OTOH, if it is closer to the latter, you should see why we would question how a provider got a favorable (or negative) review. And if it seems likely or at least highly possible that a provider would go along with granting special favors to get a positive review there, then we should also question what else that provider might have done to get favorable reviews elsewhere. There are certainly a lot more questionable reviews out there by virtually unknown posters than there are by respected and "known" forum members who regularly post reviews. To her doing some special service just to get a favorable review might just be part of the cost of doing business, much like advertising in Night Moves is to you. The problem is that there is a big difference between an obviously paid ad in magazine or escort advertising site and something masquerading as an objective review.

IMHO, you as a provider need to understand all the risks and lack of information or disinformation that we as hobbyiests have in making our purchasing decisions and why we resort to factors that may seem to you to be unfair.

Oh yeah, beyond whether it is fair for us to apply guilt by association with a clearly guilty party, you completely ignored the 2nd part of my argument, namely that, whether you were party to that P4R (play for review) business, other providers clearly were victims of it and by participating (even innocently) on that site you're lending greater credence to him and helping empowering him to victimize others.

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Enough of that. Here are some other responses to your latest comments:

1) "Should I act on your word and disassociate myself from TEV without coming to my own conclusions? Of course not." I completely agree, however if you review the evidence as I have, I think you'll come to to the same conclusion as I have about that individual if not what you should do about it.

2) "Some of the same things can be said about this site in regards to unnecessarily negative posts from very biased members. You have to learn to read between the lines." Again, I agree, but again there is one very big difference. At least on this site, the admin allows different viewpoints to be posted so that a REAL discussion can take place and one can fairly compare and consider all the arguments and counter-arguments that are presented.

3) "I would hope that the majority of those out there reading this are capable of coming to their own conclusion, or at the very least seeing for themselves what we have to offer regardless of what some of you may say about lingerie shops. We’re different, period!" Again, I agree and share that hope about readers being able to reach their own conclusions. I'll readily admit that I have no real idea whether your shop is really different. As you correctly pointed out, I have never personally been to your shop. I still think at least some of what I've read supports my suspicion that your shop is not materially different, but I'm more than willing to pass on that part of the debate. What I've said repeatedly is that the bulk of what I'm saying is directed at lingerie shops in general, where I do have more basis for forming my opinion. Of course, even there everyone has to draw their own conclusion and there are certainly many guys who agree with you and see lingerie shops as a preferrable way to engage in this hobby.

4) Re: first hand info, I extemporize on some subjects that I have limited 1st experience with. For example, clearly, lingerie shops are not my preferred mode of hobbying and I do not frequent such places. That doesn't mean I've never been in any and my 1st hand experiences in those few that I've been to and paid the entry fee coincides with most of the reports I've read in general by others. Similarly, I've been to several AMPs (some multiple times), been with streetwalkers (though not in many years), been to more strip joints than I can count and been in the backrooms of several of them, been with escorts (incall and outcall), even tried my hand in the "casual relationships/FWB" area with some limited success. I've had my successes and I've had my failures. I've probably made most of the classic mistakes and some point and hopefully have learned from all of them. Obviously, I could never have been with all the providers out there or been to all of the shops, but I think I've been to enough to be able to judge the credibility of the reports of others that I read and to offer my views on those subjects.

One thing I always try to do is choose my words very carefully (hence all those qualifiers) so that others can, as you say, read between the lines and decide for themselves. I also try to be as accurate and as well reasoned as possible and hopefully that comes out in my posts such that readers CAN put a lot of stock in what I say.

5) You are absolutely right that I've never managed a lingerie shop and I have little idea what special overhead expenses you have. What I do know is that one credible report on this board cited a $140 HJ by a BBW and that similar service can be had for less than half that elsewhere. If that is not explained by higher advertising expenses, what does explain it? Rent, utilities, pay-offs to the cops, or simply a higher profit margin for you and your girls? Whatever it is means little to us as hobbyists any way. What matters is what we pay and by ALL accounts that is much more than what we pay elsewhere.

6) "Up selling, negotiation, haggling or whatever you want to call it is a part of any business process." You don't seem to understand the important distinction between negotiating a price before any money changes hands and being asked for more money after an exchange has already started. Most reputable businesses will be upfront about what things will cost their customers. Okay, you and most other shops usually will tell your customers that "tips" usually start at $100 but IMHE most of the many shops I've ever been to are EXTREMELY cagey about what that $140 will really buy (certainly more cagey then even in most escort ads) or how much MORE their customers will have to pay to get the service that normally costs just $140 elsewhere UNLESS they first pay the room fee. If room fees are at all refundable then they certainly don't make that clear or that simple. You say your shop is different, and maybe it is, but if so IMHE it is the rare exception.

7) "You get what you pay for" That is not always true. Sure it is normally true for a given provider. And it is also true that the more you pay at a shop will certainly mean the more you will get in the back room. I never said differently. But that is not the issue. More broadly speaking, sometimes you DON'T get what you pay for (ask any guy who has been victim of the cash and dash or bait and switch). And sometimes you get what you paid for but you could have gotten even more for the same amount by going with a different provider. Even between shops you will probably find some providers who provide more for a given amount than would others. The real question is will paying more at a lingerie ship get you more than what you'd get from a carefully screened escort? IMHE, you actually get much more for your buck with escorts.

8) Re: firing girls based on one complaint, I absolutely agree that it would be absurd to fire someone based on one sole complaint, but I wasn't the one boasting about how seriously I took my customers complaints. And you didn't seem to even give any acknowledgement of that report. In this case, since this gal was asking for the same high rates as every girl there, there certainly wasn't any basis for firing her.

9) Re: the contradictory treatment between your shop girls and the escort who acted like one, while in one moment claiming NOT to be shop girls, the next moment you acknowledge the business orientation that exists in any shop. Or are you claiming your girls never lay out the prices after the $40 fee is collected or even suggest a higher level session after the session has already started? You can debate whether any of that is such a bad thing or simply to be expected or not, but how is it fair for TEV to fault one provider for doing something while simultaneously praising other providers who do substantially the same things?

10) "They don’t have to have someone come to their home or the inconvenience of getting a hotel room. They also don’t have to worry about the girl arriving not being the person they expected. They have the option of walking away if they don’t like what they see." Sure, there may be some aspects of going to lingerie shops that are preferrable for some guys, maybe even to the point that it is worth the heavy price premium it involves. So I would never say that just because lingerie shops aren't right for me, they aren't right for others. But I do think there are much strong arguments against them then the ones you're presenting against using escorts. You do have another choice besides having them come to your home or getting a hotel room. As you well know, there is also what they refer to as incall where you can go to an independent escorts hotel room, apartment or other place of business. Besides, some guys use escorts when traveling so getting a hotel room is really no extra bother and other guys have no problem having the girls come to their homes, where they're most comfortable and have greater control over the setting than some high-traffic hotel room or shop. No one is forced to answer escort ads without photos and those with photos can be verified as to their accuracy through sites such as this one. And if all else fails and a girl comes to your door or you go to hers and she is not the girl you saw in the pics, you're just as free to turn her away or leave as you would be in any shop.

In closing, let me say again, I appreciate all that you've had to say (and how you've said it). I actually agree with you on some of your responses and see your points. Even where I don't I still respect your right to express your opinions and welcome your responses.

[Dan Smith 69]

Holly,

Sorry, this is another long one...Finally, a statement we all can agree with you on. LOL.

You know, with the amount of time and energy you have taken to put all those little thoughts of yours down into the many many many words used to express them, you could have simply paid a visit to Holly's shop and have an actual experience you could report on first hand.- I'm just sayin.

[Booper]

WTF? Does anyone get laid on this Tampa board?

[Club7315]

Well, here goes my first post after almost 2 years of lurking.

I looked at the Club 7315 website and checked out Holly's pictures. And after reading Holly's posts here, I've come to a conclusion. We have a girl that is hot and smart. A nice combination!

I can't speak for her services or the club's but at a minimum, I figure she may be worth a try.Thank you so much! I definitely look forward to meeting you and hope to see you soon.

XOXOXOXO ~Holly

[Tarpon1416]

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I ventured out to Club 7315 on Armenia looking for a good time, however I paid $350. 00 for a dismal lingerie modeling show. I would have enjoyed myself more, by staying home and looking at a Victoria Secret catalog. I would have given myself a goot time, saved $350. 00 and known that the happy endings are gone.

After leaving Club 7315 I was stopped, by the police, who informed me that they were conducting a Racketeering investigation, at this business and were looking for my cooperation. This episode scared me to go straight home but when I got home, my wife had already been notified that our car was at a business being investigated by police.

I am posting this to advise you not to frequent these business because all the "happy endings" will make it home before you do.
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I just thought that everyone should see this post, as it seems very contraire to Holly's posts.

This is the first post for me, but I am not new to the board. I have been around since before the flea collar and wookworld days, and when Club 7315 was AVX (with Barbie) and there was another shop just a couple blocks from there called Golden Fingers (I think that was the name) with Mya if anyone remembers.

Cheers

[Tpa48]

Tarpon thanks for reminding us about this. I personally think aside from the whole value discussion that until LE activity dies down some there is no reason to hit any shop right now. I know the last thing I need in my life is this kind of BS.

[G Money Cool]

I ventured out to Club 7315 on Armenia looking for a good time, however I paid $350. 00 for a dismal lingerie modeling show. I would have enjoyed myself more, by staying home and looking at a Victoria Secret catalog. I would have given myself a goot time, saved $350. 00 and known that the happy endings are gone.

After leaving Club 7315 I was stopped, by the police, who informed me that they were conducting a Racketeering investigation, at this business and were looking for my cooperation. This episode scared me to go straight home but when I got home, my wife had already been notified that our car was at a business being investigated by police.

I am posting this to advise you not to frequent these business because all the "happy endings" will make it home before you do.
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I just thought that everyone should see this post, as it seems very contraire to Holly's posts.

This is the first post for me, but I am not new to the board. I have been around since before the flea collar and wookworld days, and when Club 7315 was AVX (with Barbie) and there was another shop just a couple blocks from there called Golden Fingers (I think that was the name) with Mya if anyone remembers.

CheersThis post was recently re-quoted in the other forum, but it is originally from August 2008. The guy that posted it (nutcrker), then went 5 months without another post in the Tampa forums, until Monday when he posted a positive review of a AMP (Yoshiko). One of the Sr Members on that forum pointed out that Yohiko had just been busted a few days before. Not sure what to make of it all.

[Chase Star]

... And after reading Holly's posts here, I've come to a conclusion. We have a girl that is hot and smart. A nice combination!

I can't speak for her services or the club's but at a minimum, I figure she may be worth a try.Now, that's an assessment I'd also have to agree with. Holly is very pretty and obviously has a good head on her shoulders and a pleasant disposition judging from her posts. Problem is, if it came down to costing me $350 just to see her model lingerie, like that other poster said happened to him with one of the girls at her shop, I think I could find better ways to spend my money. Obviously, Holly can't comment on any events that were alleged to have happened after a customer left her shop, but she could comment on that $350 charge. And, as Tpa48 so aptly pointed out, cost of the session aside, with all the heat that is being brought down lately on these fixed location shops, now is probably not the best time to check them out.

Dan and Booper, I know I can be overly wordy at times (hell, most of the time :)), but at least I can still laugh at myself. Does it mean I have too much time or my hands? Perhaps. Does it mean I never get laid, as Booper suggested, or don't also have the time to try things 1st hand, as Dan and Holly suggested? Not at all, but one can't spend all of one's waking hours visiting lingerie shops or one would quickly go broke. I've already actually been to enough of them (including one very expensive self-service session long ago with Jessie James :o) to readily believe the many other reports that were so similar to my own. I haven't been to 7315, but haven't read anything so far to make me think that it would be so much different, at least not enough that I'd be willing to pay $140 for a HJ to confirm that for anyone else. These days I pay not that much more than that for a provider, a hot spinner dancer from one of the local clubs, who comes to see me regularly for an hour or more of DFK/DATY/BBBJ/FS/MSOG/GFE. If Holly can match or even approach that for me, then I'd be more than happy to see her.

[Ispyyou]

I ventured out to Club 7315 on Armenia looking for a good time, however I paid $350. 00 for a dismal lingerie modeling show. I would have enjoyed myself more, by staying home and looking at a Victoria Secret catalog. I would have given myself a goot time, saved $350. 00 and known that the happy endings are gone.

After leaving Club 7315 I was stopped, by the police, who informed me that they were conducting a Racketeering investigation, at this business and were looking for my cooperation. This episode scared me to go straight home but when I got home, my wife had already been notified that our car was at a business being investigated by police.

I am posting this to advise you not to frequent these business because all the "happy endings" will make it home before you do.
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I just thought that everyone should see this post, as it seems very contraire to Holly's posts.

This is the first post for me, but I am not new to the board. I have been around since before the flea collar and wookworld days, and when Club 7315 was AVX (with Barbie) and there was another shop just a couple blocks from there called Golden Fingers (I think that was the name) with Mya if anyone remembers.

CheersThis was a report by Nutcracker not me, who posted a suspicious review about a massage parlor that recently got busted. I posted it to discredit his report not Club 7315.

[Clinton Bush]

Now, that's an assessment I'd also have to agree with. Holly is very pretty and obviously has a good head on her shoulders and a pleasant disposition judging from her posts. Problem is, if it came down to costing me $350 just to see her model lingerie, like that other poster said happened to him with one of the girls at her shop, I think I could find better ways to spend my money. Obviously, Holly can't comment on any events that were alleged to have happened after a customer left her shop, but she could comment on that $350 charge. And, as Tpa48 so aptly pointed out, cost of the session aside, with all the heat that is being brought down lately on these fixed location shops, now is probably not the best time to check them out.

Dan and Booper, I know I can be overly wordy at times (hell, most of the time :)), but at least I can still laugh at myself. Does it mean I have too much time or my hands? Perhaps. Does it mean I never get laid, as Booper suggested, or don't also have the time to try things 1st hand, as Dan and Holly suggested? Not at all, but one can't spend all of one's waking hours visiting lingerie shops or one would quickly go broke. I've already actually been to enough of them (including one very expensive self-service session long ago with Jessie James :o) to readily believe the many other reports that were so similar to my own. I haven't been to 7315, but haven't read anything so far to make me think that it would be so much different, at least not enough that I'd be willing to pay $140 for a HJ to confirm that for anyone else. These days I pay not that much more than that for a provider, a hot spinner dancer from one of the local clubs, who comes to see me regularly for an hour or more of DFK/DATY/BBBJ/FS/MSOG/GFE. If Holly can match or even approach that for me, then I'd be more than happy to see her.

LOL - glad to see I wasn't the only sucker for the self professed "hot adult pornstar". I got my very expensive lesson in self service about a dozen years ago too. Then I discovered Sonya (who eventually owned ETS) who taught me the ropes. Basically unless disproven by a rare exception assuming one even exists (Sonya was one, but sadly she is no longer around in the business to my knowledge), I have to agree with all you say about lingerie shops.

[Clinton Bush]

WTF? Does anyone get laid on this Tampa board?

No, it is basically all self service, unless you are willing to fork out $$+

[Mike Wazowski]

LOL - glad to see I wasn't the only sucker for the self professed "hot adult pornstar". I got my very expensive lesson in self service about a dozen years ago too. Then I discovered Sonya (who eventually owned ETS) who taught me the ropes. Basically unless disproven by a rare exception assuming one even exists (Sonya was one, but sadly she is no longer around in the business to my knowledge), I have to agree with all you say about lingerie shops.

When Jesse James was a sweet, tight 19 year old and her ads only said she hoped to be a porn star one day, she worked at a shop (this is around 1992/93) that was one of the few I knew of to get full service.

Back then, I gladly dropped the door fee plus $$ to Jesse and had the full menu. I'm pretty sure I had my mouth and tongue on every inch of her body and I know Little Wazowski stuck himself in every possible nook and cranny on that hot little 19 year old.

Jesse looked good in her self-professed porn-star days but I thought she was much, much hotter with her handful of titties that God gave her, no calogen injections in the lips, a flat but still soft tummy and a silky-smooth, tight as a drum ass.

I used to go and taste and tap that once a week, I liked it so much. Then she went off and did a few porn clips and found a new shop and suddenly double that price "might" get a hand job.

I'm not sure if it was the "porn star" concept going to her head or the POS boyfriend who wanted her to bring home as much money as possible and still be clean for him to play with.

[Tpa48]

Not to get into the whole value discussion of lingerie shops again but Holly has done a very nice job fixing up the new shop in Ybor. Location feels fairly discreet and is set back off 7th avenue a bit. If this is your thing now that the heat from the Super Bowl has cooled it is a nice place to visit.

[Mofa King]

I see there have been some expensive trips lately. I was there during the SuperBowl drama and had all the attention to myself. I've never walked out a shop paying .350. That's a bit much, don't ya think?

I was satisfied to the fullest extent of her abilty and paid .125

BTW, I'm speaking of Holly.

[Jbaamf]

On Saturday Night stopped in a little place north of 52 off 19 to the west. only 2 ladys working not a very good time. she put the music so loud could not talk to her very easy. I think it was called Fantasy. 1st time there and I think last time.

[Grabber]

On Saturday Night stopped in a little place north of 52 off 19 to the west. only 2 ladys working not a very good time. she put the music so loud could not talk to her very easy. I think it was called Fantasy. 1st time there and I think last time.The name of the place is Platinum and is a waste of time. They run a ad on CL every now and then for Hudson but they never put the name of the place in their ads. It is located in the plaza by Pelican Marine.

[Darkpassenger]

Over in DP, I had excellent hands-free experiences at Legends, Varietys, Sensations, Body Talk (I think, lol) and Aquarius - basically all the DP shops.

I paid some, usually around 250, but left completely satisfied everytime and usually after being entertained by a model suitable for Penthouse.

I've not been back in over a year, so I can't vouch for what it's like now; the whole crackdown thing scared my old ass away. I've been enjoying the attentions of some of the wonderful ladies who advertise / get recommended on here since; you can't beat them when you can schedule your free time.

Seniors are welcome to pm me for the one safe haven I still frequent for spur of the moment encounters, if you can call an hour's drive spur of the moment; it's a lot cheaper even if the girls are NOT PH material, but you get exactly what you want and there's two locked doors between the fun and trouble. They are as paranoid about leo as I am, and I LIKE THAT.

[Clinton Bush]

Over in DP, I had excellent hands-free experiences at Legends, Varietys, Sensations, Body Talk (I think, lol) and Aquarius - basically all the DP shops.

I paid some, usually around 250, but left completely satisfied everytime and usually after being entertained by a model suitable for Penthouse.

I've not been back in over a year, so I can't vouch for what it's like now; the whole crackdown thing scared my old ass away. I've been enjoying the attentions of some of the wonderful ladies who advertise / get recommended on here since; you can't beat them when you can schedule your free time.

Seniors are welcome to pm me for the one safe haven I still frequent for spur of the moment encounters, if you can call an hour's drive spur of the moment; it's a lot cheaper even if the girls are NOT PH material, but you get exactly what you want and there's two locked doors between the fun and trouble. They are as paranoid about leo as I am, and I LIKE THAT.

I think Legends may be the only one still open. Aquarius had some real skanks but a lot of good ones (notably Sonya from ETS) got their start there and the prices were low. I think the day of the shops is pretty much over. I'd appreciate a pm with your new find.

CB

[Photo Sniper]

I was over near Busch blvd. yesterday and saw two hotties come to the steps of Primative lingerie and have a smoke, I was in a rush so I couldnt investigate more.

Anyone have a report on them?

[Member #4167]

It's been a year or two since I visited. The girls (two working at the time) were cute, but the service was so-so. I wasn't impressed.

Your mileage may vary.

Cheers,
DL




I was over near Busch blvd. yesterday and saw two hotties come to the steps of Primative lingerie and have a smoke, I was in a rush so I couldnt investigate more.

Anyone have a report on them?

[Trendz Tampa]

So my regulars ladies were busy and I was looking for a last minute thing. I had great experiences over in DP at Aquarius and Bodytalk but since they are gone, I was left with Legends. Last time I was there there was a spinner named Phoenixx and we all know how long ago that was. Heard of and seen pics of Aimee so I took a shot. She has hot but a little tipsy (smelled of boose) as she started the party long before I got there. Long story short, overpaid for a lackluster quick handshake. Everytime I tried to get her to stop and do something else, she would continue. The girl didn't know how to listen. I tipped her well and she gave me some sob story that the owner takes a big cut and she doesn't get much. I wasnt seeing how that was my problem. $8 got me nowhere. That was an expensive 10 minutes. Afterwards, she literally just left the room. I was there alone not even knowing if she was coming back. Will not repeat and highly suggest you don't try that place. I should have stuck to what I know. Oh well. Lesson learned. Stay away gents.

[Darkpassenger]

I went on an expedition today and found out the place is closed, even the phone is off. Pleasure Time on 50th street; there's a XXX video place nextdoor. It was cheap, two locked doors, fun girls, and now it's gone..

From now on I am phoning ahead just to make sure any place is still open..





I think Legends may be the only one still open. Aquarius had some real skanks but a lot of good ones (notably Sonya from ETS) got their start there and the prices were low. I think the day of the shops is pretty much over. I'd appreciate a pm with your new find.

CB

[Ivan F]

If you go to a lingerie shop these days it's important not to ask too many questions or you're going to make the girl nervous. Also, if the girl asks you to get comfortable, GET COMFORTABLE, otherwise you can forget about having any kind of good fun. Just thought I'd pass this along since I had to learn the hard way.

[Tampa 777]

I needed little action yesterday so I called three providers from BP. They all said they won't be ready untill 3 or 4 hrs later and my regulars only work on week days. I was on tight schedule and could not wait 3-4hrs. Since I heard few good things about club 7315 I decided give them a try. So I called for Holly and they said she doesn't work on weekend, so I tried Lana. 50 for the room and tip starts at $. So far so good. She asked me you know how this place work? I said ya . (I have been to most shops before they closed down). She turns on the music and slow dancing and I said I'm looking for F/S. She said they don't do that here also I can't touch her anywhere and she can't take off her lingerie but they are trying to get nudity licence. Well no more lingerie shops for me. Their price is high and services are getting lousy. I will stay with C/L girls.

[Jay25]

Hi,

First post. But does anyone have info, as such that could be shared for a girl, calls herself Abby, over at Gemini on kennedy? Pm me if possible.

Thanks,

Jay25

[Spaceman Spiff]

I was recently headed to the VIP Spa AMP at 1430 W. Busch Boulevard, and found it to be closed for the day, but I did notice another storefront in the same strip-mall called "Primitive Playmates Lingerie" and decided "why not?".

Inside, there was a lineup of three girls, all white, all "ok" if not great, and I chose one. House fee was $30/30min and we went back to the cubicle area where she invited me to "get comfortable" while she changed. I have to say this area was a bit ratty. Some nicer places put out fresh towels on the furniture after each customer, but in this case there was simply a couch which was actually missing the top cushions so you would sink *way* down in it, and no covers. I decided to sit on my underwear after taking it off!

The girl came back in a moderately sexy outfit, which let me realize that she was a bit pudgier than I had imagined when I chose her. Oh well. I gave her $140 and she started doing a lap dance while taking off various articles. Eventually she grabbed my unit and things got earnest (though she never took off her panties) ending with an OK titty-fuck. I don't know if a bigger tip would have gotten oral or FS.

Spaceman Spiff

[Clinton Bush]

I was recently headed to the VIP Spa AMP at 1430 W. Busch Boulevard, and found it to be closed for the day, but I did notice another storefront in the same strip-mall called "Primitive Playmates Lingerie" and decided "why not?".

Inside, there was a lineup of three girls, all white, all "ok" if not great, and I chose one. House fee was $30/30min and we went back to the cubicle area where she invited me to "get comfortable" while she changed. I have to say this area was a bit ratty. Some nicer places put out fresh towels on the furniture after each customer, but in this case there was simply a couch which was actually missing the top cushions so you would sink *way* down in it, and no covers. I decided to sit on my underwear after taking it off!

The girl came back in a moderately sexy outfit, which let me realize that she was a bit pudgier than I had imagined when I chose her. Oh well. I gave her $140 and she started doing a lap dance while taking off various articles. Eventually she grabbed my unit and things got earnest (though she never took off her panties) ending with an OK titty-fuck. I don't know if a bigger tip would have gotten oral or FS.

Spaceman Spiff
My experience with lingerie places has been bad. All tease, no please. All upsell and more upsell. The old ETS when my ATF Sonya was running the place was good and the infamous Aquarius in Drew Park always had the skankiest girls, but it was cheap and got the job done. (incidentally, I first met Sonya when she worked at Aquarius). There also was a great place on ML King in Drew Park where my other ATF a very tall 5'10" super busty half Asian, half American Indian chick worked.

The lingerie places are all upsell so in a way I am not sad they are mainly out of business. I will take an AMP or Relaxation Spa over a lingerie place any day. 170 for a tit-fuck with a fat, out of shape girl doesn't cut it anymore.

[Member #5237]

I was recently headed to the VIP Spa AMP at 1430 W. Busch Boulevard, and found it to be closed for the day, but I did notice another storefront in the same strip-mall called "Primitive Playmates Lingerie" and decided "why not?".

Inside, there was a lineup of three girls, all white, all "ok" if not great, and I chose one. House fee was $30/30min and we went back to the cubicle area where she invited me to "get comfortable" while she changed. I have to say this area was a bit ratty. Some nicer places put out fresh towels on the furniture after each customer, but in this case there was simply a couch which was actually missing the top cushions so you would sink *way* down in it, and no covers. I decided to sit on my underwear after taking it off!

The girl came back in a moderately sexy outfit, which let me realize that she was a bit pudgier than I had imagined when I chose her. Oh well. I gave her $140 and she started doing a lap dance while taking off various articles. Eventually she grabbed my unit and things got earnest (though she never took off her panties) ending with an OK titty-fuck. I don't know if a bigger tip would have gotten oral or FS.

Spaceman Spiff


This is exactly why I stay away from lingerie shops. For $170, all you were able to do is slip in between her milk duds. Going to an AMP, for a few more dollars, you would have received a table shower, a massage, maybe a trip to the pacific rim, and then be fully satisfied. I know some times the little head speaks louder then the big head, but as the song says, " sometimes you have to know when to fold them and simply walk away ".

[Nkcell]

What has happened here?

I haven't been to a shop in roughly 2 years. I went searching last night and could only find 2 left.

Body talk (FL ave), primative on Busch, The Excustve on Busch is closed, I guess Gemini is still open too.

I remember when I could get FS for 200 at Erotic Toy Store a few years ago.

What is going here?

From what I'm reading you can't get FS at a shop anymore?

[Johnny Raw]

Has anyone heard from or seen Santana recently? Definitely an all time favorite and hasn't been around since the mass closings a few months ago. Figured she'd show up at one of the other shops, but no sign.

[Smutmeister]

What happened to Legends?

Stopped by a couple of days ago and the place was a ghost-town... LE or the economic downturn?

Miss them girls! Where are they now?

[Member #4225]

Anyone know where any of these ladies ended up or websitesthey are listed on? Particularly the ones from Xposed playmates or Sensations? Teddie from exposed was one of my favs, huge natural rack. Another of my favs was Miranda from Sensations-nice fake rack! Please let me know. Both were features in V2 years ago. Any help is appreciated! Feel free to reply to post or message me.

Thanks

[Readynow]

I was recently headed to the VIP Spa AMP at 1430 W. Busch Boulevard, and found it to be closed for the day, but I did notice another storefront in the same strip-mall called "Primitive Playmates Lingerie" and decided "why not? ".

Spaceman SpiffYou were lucky to find the VIP spa closed. I had been there sometime back and it has an old lady giving massage and try to upsell beyond reasonable limits. Stay away from VIP spa on Busch.

[JungleWarrior]

Anyone know where any of these ladies ended up or websitesthey are listed on? Particularly the ones from Xposed playmates or Sensations? Teddie from exposed was one of my favs, huge natural rack. Another of my favs was Miranda from Sensations-nice fake rack! Please let me know. Both were features in V2 years ago. Any help is appreciated! Feel free to reply to post or message me.

Thanksis the miranda you are looking for, in her late 30s, early 40s, blond hair, about 5'7ish and used to work for exposed escorts?? If so, I seen her about 3 years ago, and last I heard, she moved to North Carolina.

[Member #4225]

Yes, that's her. Bummer she was a knockout. Anyone else remember Any of the ladies from xposed playmates?

Thanks,

JW


is the miranda you are looking for, in her late 30s, early 40s, blond hair, about 5'7ish and used to work for exposed escorts?? If so, I seen her about 3 years ago, and last I heard, she moved to North Carolina.

[Darkpassenger]

The lingerie shops used to be a Mecca for good, safe service from an attractive model.. Those were the days.

*sigh*

[Olds Man]

What happened to Legends?

Stopped by a couple of days ago and the place was a ghost-town... LE or the economic downturn?

Miss them girls! Where are they now?

Haven't been there in years, but did see Ryan my last visit, who is now independent again and in a shop in St Pete. My last visit to Final Touch (St Pete) was with Kay, who told me she used to work at Legends but told me they were closing. If you've been there, you might also find Shana from there (also now working in St Pete at Final Touch)

[Wrek68]

Man oh man. So I went for a drive Sunday night looking for a shop and it is truly a sad state of affairs. Club 7315 in Ybor has closed as well.

So far this is what I found:

Legends. Closed

Sensations on Cypress closed. Is it relocated to Suitcase City?

Xposed playmates. Closed

AVX on Armenia. Closed

What's left: Gemini on Kennedy

Body Talk on Florida Ave over by Krispy Kreme

Euphoria just opened. Its over by Ybor Strip.

So, what I want to know is where are all these hotties doing for work? Has anyone noticed that Jessie James ads popping up on V2 and Nightmoves?

[Club7315]

Man oh man. So I went for a drive Sunday night looking for a shop and it is truly a sad state of affairs. Club 7315 in Ybor has closed as well.

So far this is what I found:

Legends. Closed

Sensations on Cypress closed. Is it relocated to Suitcase City?

Xposed playmates. Closed

AVX on Armenia. Closed

What's left: Gemini on Kennedy

Body Talk on Florida Ave over by Krispy Kreme

Euphoria just opened. Its over by Ybor Strip.

So, what I want to know is where are all these hotties doing for work? Has anyone noticed that Jessie James ads popping up on V2 and Nightmoves?Yes, sadly Club 7315 is no more but we girls are still available with a new location close to Centro Ybor. Give us a call and we'll be happy guide you in ;)

Holly
(813) 479-7315

[Orlandomonger]

I agree. Went here once and service was no good old lady likes to talk dirty and charges more than primative next door. To start she put me in the sauna while she was on the phone and never came back I had to walk out of sauna and she says "well let's get started cause you're time is almost up" wtf!

Avoid this place.


You were lucky to find the VIP spa closed. I had been there sometime back and it has an old lady giving massage and try to upsell beyond reasonable limits. Stay away from VIP spa on Busch.

[JungleWarrior]

Man oh man. So I went for a drive Sunday night looking for a shop and it is truly a sad state of affairs. Club 7315 in Ybor has closed as well.

So far this is what I found:

Legends. Closed

Sensations on Cypress closed. Is it relocated to Suitcase City?

Xposed playmates. Closed

AVX on Armenia. Closed

What's left: Gemini on Kennedy

Body Talk on Florida Ave over by Krispy Kreme

Euphoria just opened. Its over by Ybor Strip.

So, what I want to know is where are all these hotties doing for work? Has anyone noticed that Jessie James ads popping up on V2 and Nightmoves?Club 7315 is now Euphoria, just under new management. Holly had to know 400-500 a session for non gfe was going to kill the shop sooner or later. Next up is Allure down by Kennedy. Heard the owner there "Chase" is getting ready to close shop as well soon.

[Wolverine2030]

Just a question I have since I have noticed that Drew Park seems just about dead.

When I first came to Tampa in 2002 there was a bounty, It was like flip a coin, pick a shop to go to. Now there are hardly any.

Was there a concentrated leo effort to do them under, or do all think it is just a sign of the times, that lingerie shops have had their day in Tampa?

[Tampa Monger]

Club 7315 is now Euphoria, just under new management. Holly had to know 400-500 a session for non gfe was going to kill the shop sooner or later. Next up is Allure down by Kennedy. Heard the owner there "Chase" is getting ready to close shop as well soon.

It's absolutely amazing how brain-dead these girls are about economics. They think that if you charge more, you make more. Girls, if you're reading this, sorry but it just isn't so!

Now, exactly how much to charge is a complex art to figure out. It depends on many factors. But many girls stupidly price themselves out of the market. In fact, the only place I've ever encountered that did it right was Osaka Spa. The perfect combination of great prices and great service. (Although it could be argued that their smashing success and subsequent notoriety is what did them in. What a shame.)

If Club 7315 had delivered real GFE service for $200 a pop, they would have made shitloads of money. (I saw Holly once for $300, just to have the experience, and I have to admit she's a talented cum swallower. But I know girls as hot and talented as Holly that will do it for me for much less, because I've developed a rapport with them. So why spend $300 on Holly again? Not gonna happen.)

With rare exceptions, I don't break the $200 barrier for pussy.

[Under130]

I agree with Tampa Monger about the $$ limit. I loved the shops for their convenience, but the upselling drove me to CL and BP even though it's more of a hassle and takes more time to set up an appointment.

[Skyline Andy]

It's absolutely amazing how brain-dead these girls are about economics. They think that if you charge more, you make more. Girls, if you're reading this, sorry but it just isn't so!

Now, exactly how much to charge is a complex art to figure out. It depends on many factors. But many girls stupidly price themselves out of the market. In fact, the only place I've ever encountered that did it right was Osaka Spa. The perfect combination of great prices and great service. (Although it could be argued that their smashing success and subsequent notoriety is what did them in. What a shame.)

If Club 7315 had delivered real GFE service for $200 a pop, they would have made shitloads of money. (I saw Holly once for $300, just to have the experience, and I have to admit she's a talented cum swallower. But I know girls as hot and talented as Holly that will do it for me for much less, because I've developed a rapport with them. So why spend $300 on Holly again? Not gonna happen.)

With rare exceptions, I don't break the $200 barrier for pussy.Once you get to see her a few times, Holly is a very reasonable extravagance! I saw her just before the move and she acknowledged that times were tough for everyone, and that her business model was changing. I consider her a real value!