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Fun Jersey
02-17-12, 11:35
The reason I rarely do anything in NJ is because the law is very, very, different. My brother is a police Lt. In NJ. Basically they can pull you over and ticket you for merely being in a known prostitution and drug area and you are "loitering". So if you even talk to a girl in Trenton / Camden who is a known prostitute, they can pull you over and ticket you for that alone. If they see you cruise Broadway more than 2x they can tag you for the same thing. Now if you get a really good lawyer, you most likely can beat the charge as my brother has said. It's sketchy to say what you're intentions are. But if you talk to or even approach a UC or pick up a known streetwalker odds are the can pull you over if they want to. He has told me that can pull you over on the return if they see a known prostitute in the car with you and you're in an area designated as a known area.
Be careful. The rules of the game are a little different on one side of the river vs. The other.
Holy *<$%!
Is there a drought going on?
Not one post in the whole Philly forum in 48 hours.
I do beleive this is a first.
Forth RyteMaybe everybody in the game went to rehab? Wouldn't that be awesome?
Dennis the innkeeper is done.
Dark Phoenix the informer is done.
DukePV the indexer is done?
Davey1965 the insider is done?
D-D-D-Damn!I may be slightly "delinquent" in my posting, but in no way "done"
FirstHarmonic
03-10-12, 13:40
Does anyone have any experience with 'passionate touch' which is on BP all the time? They claim to have 3 hour parties on sundays for $100? Located in west philly. Is it sketch at all?
Cephlapod Love
03-11-12, 12:12
Has anybody here have any experience with passionate touch? Its a group that advertises on BP all the time. They have $100 parties from 3pm-6pm on weekends. Has anyone ever been to this? Care to comment if so? Thanks!Try the search function on some of the threads. There has been a lively discussion of those parties on one of them. Some pretty detailed info about the goings on during one party. Maybe one of the posters will direct you to that thread? Good luck!
Member #4318
04-12-12, 07:20
I have a few UTR girls that I see now and again. I'm looking to expand to more. If anyone has some reliable UTR girls and want to be like me and expand, message me and we can trade.
Member #4318
04-12-12, 07:49
I have a few UTR girls that I see once a month. I would like to expand to a few other girls. I'm willing to trade info on them for info on yours in return. ANyone interested, message me.
Member #4318
04-17-12, 08:48
Still looking for some UTR girls to trade. Those who contacted me before, contact me again, I have lost the info you sent me.
PhillyNightOwl
04-17-12, 19:32
Does anyone have any experience with 'passionate touch' which is on BP all the time? They claim to have 3 hour parties on sundays for $100? Located in west philly. Is it sketch at all?Lurk moar or use the search feature.
Also, passionatetouch. Net
Called Melissa 3 times in the past two days and no reply. Kinda weird cause she always returns my calls or texts back. Tried calling again and her voice mail says she's in the hospital til Friday. Anyone know which hospital and why she's there? PM me info if you have any. Thanks!
Readhead
PhilaGrlPlay
05-21-12, 00:01
Posted an ad on CL and musta been my lucky day cause this hot little spinner gave me quite a ride. For a good price.
Been mongering for a while and this board has helped me with keeping safe, so I want to give back.
Attaching pics, seniors PM me for details and more pics OR if you have good camera equipment, aren't shy about filming a session with her and doing some pics for her to help her get started up, PM me too, cause we can talk.
I'm curious if anyone spends time on OYR. Easy to see that most of the postings deal with operations on the K. I do notice that many of the ladies on OYR are on the thicker side. Sometimes they can be seen in the mornings, othertimes they don't show up until aftermidnight. I have seen some pretty interesting ladies even during the day time. Some ladies are new faces, others I know from the strip. As with anything YMMV. I will advise everyone to stay away from a lady named Brandy / Brandi etc. I was told she is sick. Bad sick. So do becareful regardless. Any monger out there spend time at all on OYR and perfer a nice SWing BBW? Maybe I'm in the minority.
Bricktop
Anyone seen either one of these Ladies?
So it finally happened, even experienced mongers get careless and screw up it seems. So I was the unwilling recipient of the Vice Squad's hospitality. Sting Operation setup Torresdale and Disston by the 7-11.
After 16 hours in the roundhouse I have serious reservations about this hobby. I'm sure over time I will get over it but the experience sucked and I never want to deal with that again. At least I'm not married but I have deal with court, lawyer fee's, fines and aggravation.
So whatever you do don't let your guard down, I fucked up and broke at least 3 rules of mongering and I paid for it. NEVER EVER EVER talk money and services through the window, if she won't get in first, get the hell out of there.
It sucks but it's a wake up call that what we are doing has it's risks.
Stay safe guys.
Z
So it finally happened, even experienced mongers get careless and screw up it seems. So I was the unwilling recipient of the Vice Squad's hospitality. Sting Operation setup Torresdale and Disston by the 7-11.
After 16 hours in the roundhouse I have serious reservations about this hobby. I'm sure over time I will get over it but the experience sucked and I never want to deal with that again. At least I'm not married but I have deal with court, lawyer fee's, fines and aggravation.
So whatever you do don't let your guard down, I fucked up and broke at least 3 rules of mongering and I paid for it. NEVER EVER EVER talk money and services through the window, if she won't get in first, get the hell out of there.
It sucks but it's a wake up call that what we are doing has it's risks.
Stay safe guys.
ZSorry to hear about it Z. We've all broken the rules on occasion and some have paid dearly. Thanks for the post. It certainly is a shot across the bow for the rest of us.
So it finally happened, even experienced mongers get careless and screw up it seems. So I was the unwilling recipient of the Vice Squad's hospitality. Sting Operation setup Torresdale and Disston by the 7-11.
After 16 hours in the roundhouse I have serious reservations about this hobby. I'm sure over time I will get over it but the experience sucked and I never want to deal with that again. At least I'm not married but I have deal with court, lawyer fee's, fines and aggravation.
So whatever you do don't let your guard down, I fucked up and broke at least 3 rules of mongering and I paid for it. NEVER EVER EVER talk money and services through the window, if she won't get in first, get the hell out of there.
It sucks but it's a wake up call that what we are doing has it's risks.
Stay safe guys.
ZHello Zaphod,
So sorry to hear of your misfortune. The situation you found yourself in could very well happen to any of us out there. We must remain diligent and focused on safety, safety, safety always a number one priority. The girls are like streetcars, there is always another one just around the corner. Better to give up an uncertain date than to make an error and wind up paying for it a very long time. I extend my heartfelt concern that this happened to you. I hope the system goes easy on you.
JerryGarcia
06-09-12, 13:36
So it finally happened, even experienced mongers get careless and screw up it seems. So I was the unwilling recipient of the Vice Squad's hospitality. Sting Operation setup Torresdale and Disston by the 7-11.
After 16 hours in the roundhouse I have serious reservations about this hobby. I'm sure over time I will get over it but the experience sucked and I never want to deal with that again. At least I'm not married but I have deal with court, lawyer fee's, fines and aggravation.
So whatever you do don't let your guard down, I fucked up and broke at least 3 rules of mongering and I paid for it. NEVER EVER EVER talk money and services through the window, if she won't get in first, get the hell out of there.
It sucks but it's a wake up call that what we are doing has it's risks.
Stay safe guys.
ZI sincerely wish you the best as far as getting this resolved with minimal effect on your everyday life. It is a stark reminder that this is not a game out there-besides the risk of getting caught, we are talking about a violent, high-crime neighborhood that is the arena for our pursuits.
A few observations to share with everyone-based on my recent trips to the Kensington area:
1) The 26th (south end of the stroll) is nowhere near the Police State that the combined 24th / 25th has turned into-there seems to be a pretty decent selection of ladies in that area every time I have gone down searching for "thrills". That doesn't mean we stop following the "22 Rules".
2) The time of day that one mongers needs to be carefully thought out-it is summertime, and there are a lot of people out on their stoops, especially during daylight hours. I was going to pick up Amanda (there are several redheads with this name-this one has a spinner body and a lot of tats-calls herself Pinky) the other evening (6:30 PM) on one of the side streets across from Huntingdon Station. I decided to get out of my car and walk back to have a conversation with her-she was cool, but the spot I was looking to pick her up in was not-one of the neighbors was on her stoop, and she started yelling shit at me about reporting my license plate to some Neighborhood Watch website or something. So, I casually got the hell out of there without making a pickup.
3) I may be unusual in how I do my mongering, but I have been known to literally drive around for hours before making any selections on the street. The end result is not just being safe, but also finding a lot of under-the-radar and fresh young girls. I haven't really had the time or desire to report the last 4-5 dates I have found recently, but let me say that most were very fresh "newer" talent. The usual problem is that they all give me their phone numbers, but then you can never reach them.
4) Obviously, there are a lot of girls who we have either dated before-or who have been reviewed on here with pictures-some have digits available from fellow Board members. I like to look for familiar girls, or to ask their names when approaching them-most every time I have driven down to the K recently, I have seen a lot of girls who I know by name because of this site.
5) Lastly-read this Board looking for intel, phone numbers, and news updates. Right now, it is obvious that the Police have a full-court press going in the 24th / 25th-so you need to be real cautious until this initiative runs out or slows down.
They have foot patrols, bike patrols, undercover, and tons of squad cars-it is almost absurd how many resources that they are pouring into this neighborhood.
Always make sure that you are driving with a current license, registration, and insurance card-because if you get stopped without proper credentials, you may get towed.
Always make sure that all of your lights / headlights are in working order. The Police will stop you in Kensington in a heartbeat for stupid shit like that-just to harass you and scare you into not mongering. Plus you will have to waste a few hours in Traffic Court to resolve the ticket (if you show proof the bulb is fixed, case will be thrown out).
-----just wanted to add one thought--if people want to monger without visiting Kensington--then I suggest using Backpage. There are some decent dates available at reasonable rates--but, most importantly--you need to DO THE RESEARCH--join BestGFE in addition to this site, and google phone numbers and do Tineye searches. There are enough BP girls with reviews that you can get what you are looking for a reasonable price--a lot of girls give great service for $80 or less for a half hour--you just need to figure it out.
Old Delinquent
06-09-12, 14:40
I sincerely wish you the best as far as getting this resolved with minimal effect on your everyday life. It is a stark reminder that this is not a game out there-besides the risk of getting caught, we are talking about a violent, high-crime neighborhood that is the arena for our pursuits.
A few observations to share with everyone-based on my recent trips to the Kensington area:
1) The 26th (south end of the stroll) is nowhere near the Police State that the combined 24th / 25th has turned into-there seems to be a pretty decent selection of ladies in that area every time I have gone down searching for "thrills". That doesn't mean we stop following the "22 Rules".
2) The time of day that one mongers needs to be carefully thought out-it is summertime, and there are a lot of people out on their stoops, especially during daylight hours. I was going to pick up Amanda (there are several redheads with this name-this one has a spinner body and a lot of tats-calls herself Pinky) the other evening (6:30 PM) on one of the side streets across from Huntingdon Station. I decided to get out of my car and walk back to have a conversation with her-she was cool, but the spot I was looking to pick her up in was not-one of the neighbors was on her stoop, and she started yelling shit at me about reporting my license plate to some Neighborhood Watch website or something. So, I casually got the hell out of there without making a pickup.
3) I may be unusual in how I do my mongering, but I have been known to literally drive around for hours before making any selections on the street. The end result is not just being safe, but also finding a lot of under-the-radar and fresh young girls. I haven't really had the time or desire to report the last 4-5 dates I have found recently, but let me say that most were very fresh "newer" talent. The usual problem is that they all give me their phone numbers, but then you can never reach them.
4) Obviously, there are a lot of girls who we have either dated before-or who have been reviewed on here with pictures-some have digits available from fellow Board members. I like to look for familiar girls, or to ask their names when approaching them-most every time I have driven down to the K recently, I have seen a lot of girls who I know by name because of this site.
5) Lastly-read this Board looking for intel, phone numbers, and news updates. Right now, it is obvious that the Police have a full-court press going in the 24th / 25th-so you need to be real cautious until this initiative runs out or slows down.
They have foot patrols, bike patrols, undercover, and tons of squad cars-it is almost absurd how many resources that they are pouring into this neighborhood.
Always make sure that you are driving with a current license, registration, and insurance card-because if you get stopped without proper credentials, you may get towed.
Always make sure that all of your lights / headlights are in working order. The Police will stop you in Kensington in a heartbeat for stupid shit like that-just to harass you and scare you into not mongering. Plus you will have to waste a few hours in Traffic Court to resolve the ticket (if you show proof the bulb is fixed, case will be thrown out).
-just wanted to add one thought-if people want to monger without visiting Kensington-then I suggest using Backpage. There are some decent dates available at reasonable rates-but, most importantly-you need to DO THE RESEARCH-join BestGFE in addition to this site, and google phone numbers and do Tineye searches. There are enough BP girls with reviews that you can get what you are looking for a reasonable price-a lot of girls give great service for $80 or less for a half hour-you just need to figure it out.Thanks, Jerry. These are good words of wisdom which we should all keep in mind.
For those of us not intimately familiar with local LE boundaries, it would be very helpful to delineate the high-enforcement areas in terms of streets. Thanks again.
JerryGarcia
06-09-12, 20:05
Thanks, Jerry. These are good words of wisdom which we should all keep in mind.
For those of us not intimately familiar with local LE boundaries, it would be very helpful to delineate the high-enforcement areas in terms of streets. Thanks again.All one need to do is look at the maps-here is a link to Philly's finest.
http://www.phillypolice.com/districts
The Internet is full of information-use it wisely, do your homework, and maybe you will find what you are looking for without issues or problems-that is why this site remains so valuable-just check Cooky's reviews and all of the other reviews which have pictures.
So it finally happened, even experienced mongers get careless and screw up it seems. So I was the unwilling recipient of the Vice Squad's hospitality. Sting Operation setup Torresdale and Disston by the 7-11.
Stay safe guys.
ZThanks Zaphod II, it takes guts to admit ones mistakes. She must have really been a beauty. That's when you really have to be careful. If she looks to good to be true that's when you should double clutch and check yourself. Especially if she won't get in.
CookyJar
3 … I haven't really had the time or desire to report the last 4-5 dates I have found recently, but let me say that most were very fresh "newer" talent.I hope I am not out of line asking, but, could you please explain.
CookyJar
JerryGarcia
06-09-12, 21:38
I hope I am not out of line asking, but, could you please explain.
CookyJarI have been extremely busy-a lot of my dates take place in the late night, so I am too exhausted to report once they have drained me of my juices. I find it is hard to write about things unless they are very fresh in my mind. I know that probably sounds weak-I also feel as if the Board has been very quiet and, other than you-few are contributing intel or reviews.
I will try to at least write a brief review of my most recent date (this past Wednesday). I met a sweet little blonde named Angel around 9:30 at night and had a nice time with her-she was very clean and smelled great-had just about a perfect body (B cups) and a cute face, with big bulging blue eyes, a perfect smile and some freckles. Is apparently not a "high-volume" provider-claims she only shoots coke once in a while and is supposedly on methadone. She had a outstanding shaved kitty that I enjoyed playing with the entire time she was slurping my joint with her mouth-it appeared to be nice and fresh-smelling-I was very tempted to taste it, but decided to save that for another time.
I found her on the corner of Hilton and K-across from the Walgreens-I thought at first she was too good to be true and was very concerned she might be undercover LEO. I made her walk all the way down the block and I pulled into the fenced-in Dunkin Donuts parking lot. I asked her a lot of questions and had her get in-I would not discuss specifics with her until we got on the highway. I took her to my place and had an excellent date-started out with top-shelf BBBJ and then got her to give me an outstanding CG ride-she was definitely an keeper and I would hope to see her again-I have digits, but as I stated previously-they usually don't last or work.
She claims she is 28, but looked younger-had very little marks or bruises-not the average SW for sure. I had been driving around for about three hours before I decided to take a shot with this girl, and I sure am glad that I did. She claims to have a day job in a "normal" setting (I won't divulge the details). Says she only does this sort of thing when "her back is against the wall". We didn't get to have an extended date because she said that she had to be off the Avenue by 11:00 PM.
I have had at least 2-3 other recent dates with "under-the-radar" types like this-unfortunately I haven't been able to find these girls and they never answer their phones. I am seriously beginning to feel like SuperE-finding rare sweet young girls and then realizing that they are basically "one-and-done". So I hope you all believe me when I tell about my experiences-I sure as hell know that they happened.
.I also feel as if the Board has been very quiet and, other than you-few are contributing intel or reviews.Thanks for the intel and quick reply.
Long detailed reviews are nice but not necessary. Just the basics will do. Who, what, when, where and etc. Sometimes just knowing a new one is out there is enough.
Nobody expects every poster to be as great a writer as SuperEloquent (and you) , or to take as many pictures as I do. Like you, I find it very discomforting when I note the number of contributors. It is even more disheartening to read that members are dating but not posting information.
If only everyone did their part, as best as they can, and not worry about what others are doing or not doing, this board would be one hell of a resource.
CookyJar
Thanks Zaphod II, it takes guts to admit ones mistakes. She must have really been a beauty. That's when you really have to be careful. If she looks to good to be true that's when you should double clutch and check yourself. Especially if she won't get in.
CookyJarThank Cooky, this kicker of it all is, she wasn't. I had already passed through the K, didn't see anyone worth the effort, was on my way to where I stay in the NE and saw these 2 average OK looking 30 something ladies. Being horned up and 2 lazy to go back to K I just figured I see what I could do here, and BLAM it was all over. Being Sloppy is my biggest crime.
Thank Cooky, this kicker of it all is, she wasn't. I had already passed through the K, didn't see anyone worth the effort, was on my way to where I stay in the NE and saw these 2 average OK looking 30 something ladies. Being horned up and 2 lazy to go back to K I just figured I see what I could do here, and BLAM it was all over. Being Sloppy is my biggest crime.Like I said originally, thanks for posting your adventure. A lot of guys would not have shared. It helps knowing that they are out there and how they are operating. I for one will heed you warning.
Thanks again,
CookyJar
Old Delinquent
06-10-12, 09:59
What was that, officer? Soliciting prostitution? NEVER! I wouldn't do anything of the sort. I'm trying to recruit these young ladies to work for my housekeeping service. Officer, you may have job security, but don't you realize there's an unemployment crisis in this city? I represent the Second Chance Mission (produce business card) , and it's our project to find gainful employment in domestic services for those who need it. Which clearly applies to these young ladies, since they're reduced to wandering the streets seeking opportunities in the harsh economic environment created by the politicians who couldn't care less.
In fact, while you're here, would you care to make a monetary donation to help us advance our cause?
Cephlapod Love
06-10-12, 10:02
So it finally happened, even experienced mongers get careless and screw up it seems. So I was the unwilling recipient of the Vice Squad's hospitality. Sting Operation setup Torresdale and Disston by the 7-11.
After 16 hours in the roundhouse I have serious reservations about this hobby. I'm sure over time I will get over it but the experience sucked and I never want to deal with that again. At least I'm not married but I have deal with court, lawyer fee's, fines and aggravation.
So whatever you do don't let your guard down, I fucked up and broke at least 3 rules of mongering and I paid for it. NEVER EVER EVER talk money and services through the window, if she won't get in first, get the hell out of there.
It sucks but it's a wake up call that what we are doing has it's risks.
Stay safe guys.
ZZ- sorry about your experience! Yeah, all of us learn the hard way in this hobby, but it is sad that yours has those kind of consequences. One can get over a bad date or getting ripped off. But an adventure with LE. I feel for you man!
Also want to say thanks to you for showing up here after the bust and posting a warning! Most would be off licking their wounds, not caring enough about others to share their experience and to post one's misfortune. So I give you kudos for doing that!
Sorry about your predicament. Go find a good criminal attorney and see if one can at least get the charges reduced to something innocuous like loitering. I suspect it'll all depend on what kinda hard-on the ADA has for you or those kinda crimes.
Good luck!
I wil lbe visiting your city soon so I came to check out the menu. If anyone can provide me some info on getting with Maylea when I visit please PM me.
Thanks for any assistant in helping me get with that petite sweetie.
CookieJar I must say you are a great contributor with great pics.
What was that, officer? Soliciting prostitution? NEVER! I wouldn't do anything of the sort. I'm trying to recruit these young ladies to work for my housekeeping service. Officer, you may have job security, but don't you realize there's an unemployment crisis in this city? I represent the Second Chance Mission (produce business card) , and it's our project to find gainful employment in domestic services for those who need it. Which clearly applies to these young ladies, since they're reduced to wandering the streets seeking opportunities in the harsh economic environment created by the politicians who couldn't care less.
In fact, while you're here, would you care to make a monetary donation to help us advance our cause?Let me tell you something about how Vice operates, once you have put your foot in your mouth and said the wrong thing the backup officers roll up on you from out of no where and within 10 seconds I had guns drawn on me and was told to get out of the vehicle and not touch anything, under those circumstances your options are fairly limited to doing what they tell you to do. There was no negotiating, no "wait wait this is a mistake" I was cuffed an stuffed in the back of truck withing 45 seconds of it all.
I thank you for all your support, and again my real reason for posting this is just hopefully help you guys not make the same mistake, some of you may be married, and I was with a few guys in the van who were and once they got released they had even bigger issues to deal with at home. One Guy even said he wasn't going home, he was in wayyy too much trouble.
I got complacent thinking I could just do this forever with no problems other than the occasional bad date, but there are real issues to this. Everyone has to decide what's best for them, I'm not here to tell you guys your business, just to spread the word to be careful.
JerryGarcia
06-10-12, 20:17
I got complacent thinking I could just do this forever with no problems other than the occasional bad date, but there are real issues to this. Everyone has to decide what's best for them, I'm not here to tell you guys your business, just to spread the word to be careful.Thanks for having the courage to deal with this in the open-I think we all need a reality check when it comes to mongering. I am truly sorry that yours was so harsh, and I sincerely wish you the best in resolving this and moving forward.
I have to seriously rethink my priorities-it is not just the Police that are a concern, but the chance that even worse can happen in such a high-crime District.
Old Delinquent
06-10-12, 20:19
Zaphod. That sounds AWFUL! A summons book is one thing, but guns drawn is a whole different story! You seriously have my sympathies, as I'm sure applies to the other guys on here. But thank you for sharing, as a reminder to us all to be careful. Take my word for it. Anyone who pokes her head in my window and asks what I'm shopping for will be asked directions to one remote corner of the city or another. Using my best possible gay imitation!
We all know that middle-aged guys patronizing down-on-their-luck young ladies is a major threat to the safety and security of our fine city, don't we? We don't need to worry about official corruption, gang violence, armed robberies, murders, or even the very drug trade that has put these girls on those street corners. Those are of no concern to the local gendarmerie as long as they can meet some unmentionable quota of snared horny taxpayers. Job well done, folks.
Let me tell you something about how Vice operates, once you have put your foot in your mouth and said the wrong thing the backup officers roll up on you from out of no where and within 10 seconds I had guns drawn on me and was told to get out of the vehicle and not touch anything, under those circumstances your options are fairly limited to doing what they tell you to do. There was no negotiating, no "wait wait this is a mistake" I was cuffed an stuffed in the back of truck withing 45 seconds of it all.
I thank you for all your support, and again my real reason for posting this is just hopefully help you guys not make the same mistake, some of you may be married, and I was with a few guys in the van who were and once they got released they had even bigger issues to deal with at home. One Guy even said he wasn't going home, he was in wayyy too much trouble.
I got complacent thinking I could just do this forever with no problems other than the occasional bad date, but there are real issues to this. Everyone has to decide what's best for them, I'm not here to tell you guys your business, just to spread the word to be careful.Thanks for the heads up. If we could only not think with the little guy. Being an extremely lucky happily married man, I really need to rethink my habit. Losing everything over a hummer just ain't worth it. Anyone ever get the same treatment at an AMP.
Imagine if LE posted pics of streetwalkers here that were actually LE just to lure us all in. Now that is scary.
Safe Mongering everyone.
NO! No! No! No! You'd be in a world of shit. (I hope you were joking.)
What was that, officer? Soliciting prostitution? NEVER! I wouldn't do anything of the sort. I'm trying to recruit these young ladies to work for my housekeeping service. Officer, you may have job security, but don't you realize there's an unemployment crisis in this city? I represent the Second Chance Mission (produce business card) , and it's our project to find gainful employment in domestic services for those who need it. Which clearly applies to these young ladies, since they're reduced to wandering the streets seeking opportunities in the harsh economic environment created by the politicians who couldn't care less.
In fact, while you're here, would you care to make a monetary donation to help us advance our cause?Who are you going to say this too; the beat cop. Did you forget this was a sting? Is that what you said to the female cop that you solicited outside of your car?
That card better be legit or you've just added on some new charges. And! If the card is legit, you'd better have a pretty understanding boss. You've just lied to a Police Officer and given him evident. They are not going to take your word. The DA is going to check it out and if you lied – watch out. If you are telling the truth and you do work for such an agency the DA could threaten an investigation into it's operation. Your boss isn't going to like that. Any agency doing that kind of work would inform LE of their operation and make the authorities aware of their being in the area. Once you are caught in a lie your lawyer cannot help you. Cops are not dumb. They can always investigate and if you're legit; let you go. No harm done. If you are lying – your ass is grass.
The cops on the avenue do this type of thing as a matter of routine. They do it every day; they've been doing it for years – they are trained. It is part of their job to catch you in a lie. On the other hand, how much practice have you had at this? I am assuming it's not something you do every day.
You have the right to remain silent. Do so! You have the right to have an attorney. Get one! If you think you can bet the charge. The only way to bet the system is to use the system.
CookyJar
Old Delinquent
06-10-12, 23:22
NO! No! No! No! You'd be in a world of shit. (I hope you were joking.)
Who are you going to say this too; the beat cop. Did you forget this was a sting? Is that what you said to the female cop that you solicited outside of your car?
That card better be legit or you've just added on some new charges. And! If the card is legit, you'd better have a pretty understanding boss. You've just lied to a Police Officer and given him evident. They are not going to take your word. The the is going to check it out and if you lied – watch out. If you are telling the truth and you do work for such an agency the the could threaten an investigation into it's operation. Your boss isn't going to like that. Any agency doing that kind of work would inform LE of their operation and make the authorities aware of their being in the area. Once you are caught in a lie your lawyer cannot help you. Cops are not dumb. They can always investigate and if you're legit; let you go. No harm done. If you are lying – your ass is grass.
The cops on the avenue do this type of thing as a matter of routine. They do it every day; they've been doing it for years – they are trained. It is part of their job to catch you in a lie. On the other hand, how much practice have you had at this? I am assuming it's not something you do every day.
You have the right to remain silent. Do so! You have the right to have an attorney. Get one! If you think you can bet the charge. The only way to bet the system is to use the system.
CookyJarNoooooo. Of course I was kidding! That whole thing was just a gag.
In seriousness. You're absolutely correct that the ONLY sensible response if anyone gets caught in that kind of sting is SILENCE. Remember the old military rule: name, rank, and serial number. There was a reason for that!
let me tell you something about how vice operates, once you have put your foot in your mouth and said the wrong thing the backup officers roll up on you from out of no where and within 10 seconds i had guns drawn on me and was told to get out of the vehicle and not touch anything, under those circumstances your options are fairly limited to doing what they tell you to do. there was no negotiating, no "wait wait this is a mistake" i was cuffed an stuffed in the back of truck withing 45 seconds of it all.
i thank you for all your support, and again my real reason for posting this is just hopefully help you guys not make the same mistake, some of you may be married, and i was with a few guys in the van who were and once they got released they had even bigger issues to deal with at home. one guy even said he wasn't going home, he was in wayyy too much trouble.
i got complacent thinking i could just do this forever with no problems other than the occasional bad date, but there are real issues to this. everyone has to decide what's best for them, i'm not here to tell you guys your business, just to spread the word to be careful.geez, things have changed in philly in the last 15-20 years. i got pulled over with a lady in the mid90s and the cop just gave me the scared straight talk. he took the lady off to the roundhouse, but let me go. soon after that i moved out of state. even worse, in 1986, i got caught soliciting an undercover cop after an office happy hour and the car cops gave me a talking to and a $150 fine and dropped me off at my dorm at drexel. even though, i was **** and noticeably drunk, that's all that happenned.
coming back philly in august for a wedding, and was thinking of hitting the avenue, but maybe not now. after reading the forum, i'm bummed that the patio is gone, that was a great place for for an afternoon stop! i wish this site had existed in the 90s, when i lived in philly. i'll have to keep reading the forum to see if the avenue is still worth checking out.
anyway, good luck zaphod. hope it all works out for you.
slapster
GwensBrother
06-27-12, 12:39
I hope your moderator will allow this posting. I have read the forum rules, which among other things state: "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws." So I will simply state some facts and leave it at that. Everyone here deserves the right to free speech.
I am like you. I enjoy women, nudity and sex. I am from a dysfunctional family, and my sister and I have never known a father and mother who lovingly cared for us. I have seen and experienced worse street violence than anything I see in these pages.
I am well aware of what my sister did over these many past years and why. To say I loved her and cared for her is stretching the truth. To say I'm any better than she was is stretching the truth. There is honor among thieves, however, and honor among family members. It is that honor I address in the midst of a very difficult month for us. Here is what I consider honorable:
• Respecting a person's privacy.
• Letting fellow human beings pursue their interests if they do not harm others.
• Being aware of how one's actions can affect others now and in the future.
Frankly, I think patronizing prostitutes is perfectly honorable. So is soliciting for prostitution. So is telling others where to find prostitutes. But it is despicable, in my view, to "out" people engaged in these activities, whether they are lawful or not. It's called "ratting out" by some. Ratting out a murderer is one thing. Ratting out a person involved in a victimless crime is quite another.
I think almost all contributors to this guide are not ratting out. They have their fun and move on. I think I would get along with most of you and would enjoy your company. I think you'll understand, however, that I have no use for anyone here who has gone beyond mere enjoyment and outed my sister. I have seen presentations on her in these pages that cross way over the line. She prostituted herself: fine. She posed for pictures: fine. But someone took many, many unnecessary compromising pictures of her. I know she desperately needed the money and did not think about or care about what would be done with those pictures. It is one thing to enjoy those pictures at home. It is another to put so many of them up on the internet as a memorial to her wayward life and as a way to defile her and put her on exhibit. Her life was tough; why make it tougher. She never would have lived it down if she had kids and they came across the pictures. Not to mention a future employer. Nor a family with responsibility to dispose of her remains.
It is now a mission of mine to correct this dishonor to my sister.
I hope your moderator will allow this posting. I have read the forum rules, which among other things state: "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws." So I will simply state some facts and leave it at that. Everyone here deserves the right to free speech.
I am like you. I enjoy women, nudity and sex. I am from a dysfunctional family, and my sister and I have never known a father and mother who lovingly cared for us. I have seen and experienced worse street violence than anything I see in these pages.
I am well aware of what my sister did over these many past years and why. To say I loved her and cared for her is stretching the truth. To say I'm any better than she was is stretching the truth. There is honor among thieves, however, and honor among family members. It is that honor I address in the midst of a very difficult month for us. Here is what I consider honorable:
• Respecting a person's privacy.
• Letting fellow human beings pursue their interests if they do not harm others.
• Being aware of how one's actions can affect others now and in the future.
Frankly, I think patronizing prostitutes is perfectly honorable. So is soliciting for prostitution. So is telling others where to find prostitutes. But it is despicable, in my view, to "out" people engaged in these activities, whether they are lawful or not. It's called "ratting out" by some. Ratting out a murderer is one thing. Ratting out a person involved in a victimless crime is quite another.
It is now a mission of mine to correct this dishonor to my sister.Please allow me to extend my deepest condolences to both you and the family of Gwen. Be assured Gwen was a very well liked individual by many of us and will be sorely missed.
As you know Gwen was a free spirit and dealt with each day as it was dealt to her. I've known Gwen for some time and I want you to know in spite of her personal troubles I never heard her utter a bad word about anybody nor anybody about her. She was truly a genuine person.
JerryGarcia
06-27-12, 17:47
It is now a mission of mine to correct this dishonor to my sister.In accordance with Forum rules, this could be looked upon as a threat.
Here is my issue: How do we know that this poster is actually Gwen's brother? Does anyone even know if she had a brother? And how did he happen to find out about this website?
I don't know if any of you are familiar with the whole Cooky Jar-Doylestown Patch situation. This was a news article on which a whole slew of posts appeared from women claiming to have had their lives ruined by the fact that CJ had posted their pics online. The posts were obviously fictional, and were perpetrated by someone (or several people) on this Board who have a personal agenda with the man.
I'm just saying-before we allow people with an agenda against CJ to make posts implying that he has grievously wronged them, let's make 100% sure that we know the posters are real.
Isn't it bit strange that there have been hundreds of people who have posted pictures of street walkers over the years, including a very eloquent former member with his own thread--yet the only person who is being attacked at all times is Cooky Jar?
Hungry Coyote
06-27-12, 19:47
someone took many, many unnecessary compromising pictures of her.
To put so many of them upI don't know but it sounds suspiciously like another poster.
I don't know but it sounds suspiciously like another poster.Tie this into the current discussion in the Media forum and you absolutely have the possibility of an agenda.
Gwen's "brother" did not make any open threats except to question the posting of photos on a public forum.
Nevertheless, since Cookie was mentioned in the media reports, I can see where someone is looking to hurt Cookie and / or extract money from him.
RyanAnderson
07-12-12, 14:53
Have any of you sex mongers that have been doing this hobby for a while ever catch any STDS? I'm relatively new to this hobby but I use protection every time (oral and vaginal). Also going to get tested every 6 months or so. Just would like some views from more experienced people in this field.
Old Delinquent
07-13-12, 08:48
Have any of you sex mongers that have been doing this hobby for a while ever catch any STDS? I'm relatively new to this hobby but I use protection every time (oral and vaginal). Also going to get tested every 6 months or so. Just would like some views from more experienced people in this field.You mean other than my dick falling off?
Motorcycle Man
07-13-12, 19:35
I work up and down the east coast saw all the pics in philly I was in the area thought I'd check out the K a couple of weeks ago. Saw a good one got the look and smile went to turn around on a side street went up two blocks and I see LE with lights come on two blocks behind me made my right turn and cautiosly got out of there. Don't Know if it was me and my out of state tags they were after but way to much LE for me must of saw 4 in 4 blocks. I saw info on the forum about passions I was wondering if it was legit seems much for a sting but you never know. Any senior member out there that could give me the low down on passions? I know I'm a newbe but I don't always have access to internet thanks. I'd like to know if it at least worth it I don't have to have all the Details but it would be nice.
RyanAnderson
07-13-12, 22:25
You mean other than my dick falling off?Yes. LOL seriously though
TrueNoob 86
07-14-12, 09:25
Disclaimer (s)
1) Yes, I consciously picked the sn True Noob. I never would have imagined I'd stumble across a website / forum like this. But in true noob fashion, I have zero idea how to use this information. Either the thread is dead or so many conversations are in full swing I do not know where to start.
2) This "report" is more of Q&A / Tips and Suggestions forum.
3) I really do not know if I'm posting in the right forum so sorry if this seems out of place.
Questions:
How effective can this be without a car? It seems as though having transportation is either mandatory or highly encouraged.
When looking how exactly can one distinguish between a pro and a non pro? I would like to avoid getting in trouble clearly.
Any areas of activity that can be suggested?
The classic art of negotiation. On one hand, I'd probably pay just for a hug, but certain hobbies are expensive so I might as well take advantage when I can.
Any tips on using this site or CL effectively?
That is all I can think of right now. Thanks to anyone willing to educate my ignorance.
Cephlapod Love
07-14-12, 13:17
Disclaimer (s)
1) Yes, I consciously picked the sn True Noob. I never would have imagined I'd stumble across a website / forum like this. But in true noob fashion, I have zero idea how to use this information. Either the thread is dead or so many conversations are in full swing I do not know where to start.
2) This "report" is more of Q&A / Tips and Suggestions forum.
3) I really do not know if I'm posting in the right forum so sorry if this seems out of place.
Questions:
How effective can this be without a car? It seems as though having transportation is either mandatory or highly encouraged.
When looking how exactly can one distinguish between a pro and a non pro? I would like to avoid getting in trouble clearly.
Any areas of activity that can be suggested?
The classic art of negotiation. On one hand, I'd probably pay just for a hug, but certain hobbies are expensive so I might as well take advantage when I can.
Any tips on using this site or CL effectively?
That is all I can think of right now. Thanks to anyone willing to educate my ignorance.My advice, fwiw, is this.
If you are this much of a newbie then you have A LOT to learn. My advice is you do NOTHING for six months, taking that time to learn about the hobby, the rules (written & unwritten) and proper etiquette. Look, this is a dangerous hobby. One can choose to learn by patience and reading (over time) or the school of hard knocks. Jump into the fire.
I suggest one starts by finding the 22 Rules for Mongering list on the Front Page of this website. Read those, then read them again, then come back the next day and READ THEM AGAIN! There will be a test out there on the street everyday. Either you read and memorize those rules or the streets will teach you the rules the hard way.
Then I suggest one decides what they are interested in? Street Walkers? Asian Massage Parlors? BP Advertisers / Escorts? Strip Clubs? Pick ONE. Then go to the thread on that topic and READ at least a year's worth of posts! Yeah, it won't be easy, nor fast. But you want a fee education. It is all there in the posts! Or of course one can just stumble around, make mistakes, get ripped off a few times, potentially get nicked by LE or worse. That is always a legitimate way of learning.
Look, when I started, first thing I did was to go to the very beginning of the thread for my area. I read EVERY post! I think they started with posts from 5 or 10 years ago. Yeah, most of the info on the girls was out of date, but I kept track of locations, names and mongers and after I was done had a great guide as to "where" to look. Fish where the fish are biting. Who to look for and who to avoid. What were some of the scams that had been played. Also I found the names of sober / serious sounding mongers that I could reach out to to further my education. {sure enough several were kind enough to help with understanding some jams and avoiding others, through B / C notes. } After I felt like I had the basic info down, I spent a couple of months just driving and observing the stroll and the streets. Found some of the fishing holes were dried up, others active and yet found other new ones too. Also was able to I'd key LE hiding places, times of activity and places to avoid.
Now if one reads these forums. One should come across (or search for) the threads with "stroll maps" on them. That will help I'd some of the fishing holes. Reports from successful mongers, compiled, is the best approach.
So good luck. Will it be a slow thoughtful education, or trial by fire?
I've been looking for Angie for sometime. I finally searched the internet and found her obituary. If anyone knows what happened to her please PM me. Pretty Italian girl, early 30s. Don't post it here. PM me.
Member #4318
07-17-12, 09:00
I have lost a few of my UTR girls and I'm looking for new. I am willing to trade info of my UTR girls for yours.
Does anyone have a good short stay motel near germantown? I'm looking for something for this evening. Any help is appreciated!
I have lost a few of my UTR girls and I'm looking for new. I am willing to trade info of my UTR girls for yours.Once again I am amiss. I know it's used a lot. In the past I've ignored it because I knew it meant something good. I cannot find it in the list of abbreviations. In the future it would be nice if guys would check the abbreviations list and not assume that we are all in tune.
What the hell is UTR? Ultra-Thin Rookie? Untrained Romancer? You Tell me the Reason I should want to trade?
I did a google search and came up with, "Up The Rams" .
CookyJar
Once again I am amiss. I know it's used a lot. In the past I've ignored it because I knew it meant something good. I cannot find it in the list of abbreviations. In the future it would be nice if guys would check the abbreviations list and not assume that we are all in tune.
What the hell is UTR? Ultra-Thin Rookie? Untrained Romancer? You Tell Me the Reason I should want to trade?
I did a google search and came up with, "Up The Rams" .
CookyJarHope this helps!
Actually, I first saw this used on this site, but more applicable, perhaps, under strip clubs.
Cheers SD
Once again I am amiss. I know it's used a lot. In the past I've ignored it because I knew it meant something good. I cannot find it in the list of abbreviations. In the future it would be nice if guys would check the abbreviations list and not assume that we are all in tune.
What the hell is UTR? Ultra-Thin Rookie? Untrained Romancer? You Tell Me the Reason I should want to trade?
I did a google search and came up with, "Up The Rams" .
CookyJarUnder the Radar.
Low profile.
Not many clients
Hope this helps!
Actually, I first saw this used on this site, but more applicable, perhaps, under strip clubs.
Cheers SDThanks Saltydawg,
This helps me a lot as far as knowing what the abbreviation stands for. Thanks!
I have lost a few of my UTR girls and I'm looking for new. I am willing to trade info of my UTR girls for yours.Now if someone could explain how a girls travels under the radar. Am I to assume that she isn't a street worker, does not advertise on BackPage, does not work in a strip club or in a massage parlor? I am making these assumptions because I am assuming that I would not be able to acquire this girl on my own because she is traveling under the radar.
I realize that this is a lot to assume. But! By making these assumptions, wouldn't I be right in concluding that she might not be able to make it on the streets, on Backpage, in a strip club or in a massage parlor. Might there be a reason she's traveling under the radar? Might it be a reason I may not be comfortable with?
Does the fact that she travels in some unknown dimension mean that I should assume that she has positive reviews which dwell beneath the radar in limbo.
Should I just assume that the person making the trade offer has the same taste in woman as I?
UTR, is an ambiguous term at best. More often than not, the monger wishing to trade an UTR is asking for information on a specific girl of known qualities.
IMHO, UTR is just another way of saying – I am not sharing.
JMHO.
My friend is here at an airport location and she is now booking appointments today and tomorrow for some soft massages and long sweet wet kisses. She's a delicious 51 years young! Here is a link to her pics. Or e mail her to schedule. Just put usasexguide in the subject line.
http://www.indys.com/forum/album_cat.php?cat_id=694I don't know who, "YouKnowwho," is; but, after reading a few of his past post, I have decided against trading.
CookyJar
Old Delinquent
07-19-12, 09:09
Thanks Saltydawg,
This helps me a lot as far as knowing what the abbreviation stands for. Thanks!
Now if someone could explain how a girls travels under the radar. Am I to assume that she isn't a street worker, does not advertise on BackPage, does not work in a strip club or in a massage parlor? I am making these assumptions because I am assuming that I would not be able to acquire this girl on my own because she is traveling under the radar.
I realize that this is a lot to assume. But! By making these assumptions, wouldn't I be right in concluding that she might not be able to make it on the streets, on Backpage, in a strip club or in a massage parlor. Might there be a reason she's traveling under the radar? Might it be a reason I may not be comfortable with?
Does the fact that she travels in some unknown dimension mean that I should assume that she has positive reviews which dwell beneath the radar in limbo.
Should I just assume that the person making the trade offer has the same taste in woman as I?
UTR, is an ambiguous term at best. More often than not, the monger wishing to trade an UTR is asking for information on a specific girl of known qualities.
IMHO, UTR is just another way of saying – I am not sharing.
JMHO.
I don't know who,"YouKnowwho," is; but, after reading a few of his past post, I have decided against trading.
CookyJarHeh, heh, heh. Touché on that one! Actually, though, it isn't usually that strong a classification. "UTR" usually just means "you don't hear much about her"
Under the Radar.
Low profile.
Not many clientsNo such thing as under the radar, if they are sucking one dick they are sucking more.
I love it when they tell me that they "don't do this full or part time and that they only do it for a select few.
That's why I love the achieve photos, like the old saying goes "a picture tells a 1000 words" or in the SW case 1000 encounters.
Thanks Saltydawg,
Now if someone could explain how a girls travels under the radar. Am I to assume that she isn't a street worker, does not advertise on BackPage, does not work in a strip club or in a massage parlor? I am making these assumptions because I am assuming that I would not be able to acquire this girl on my own because she is traveling under the radar.
I realize that this is a lot to assume. But! By making these assumptions, wouldn't I be right in concluding that she might not be able to make it on the streets, on Backpage, in a strip club or in a massage parlor. Might there be a reason she's traveling under the radar? Might it be a reason I may not be comfortable with?
Does the fact that she travels in some unknown dimension mean that I should assume that she has positive reviews which dwell beneath the radar in limbo.
CookyJarMost of the time UTR girls are not full time sex workers, it is not that she wouldn't be able to work the street, backpage, etc, she just doesn't want to, at least at the moment; I have a UTR she lives a normal life with a job an a steady boyfriend but here and there she needs extra $$ and I am willing to help her, nothing wrong with that BTW a true UTR doesn't want her info shared lightly, if she wanted more exposure she can do it herself.
Most of the time UTR girls are not full time sex workers, it is not that she wouldn't be able to work the street, backpage, etc, she just doesn't want to, at least at the moment; I have a UTR she lives a normal life with a job an a steady boyfriend but here and there she needs extra $$ and I am willing to help her, nothing wrong with that BTW a true UTR doesn't want her info shared lightly, if she wanted more exposure she can do it herself.I agree, UTRs usually only see a few "regulars" so to speak. I've found a couple on craigslist, however, there is a ton of spam there as well. It can be great while it lasts, working phone numbers and email addys, but the have been known to flake out on occasion (nothing new there). My experience is that they usually are just trying to make ends meet as Lemmesee suggested. Of course YMMV.
Most of the time UTR girls are not full time sex workers, it is not that she wouldn't be able to work the street, backpage, etc, she just doesn't want to, at least at the moment; I have a UTR she lives a normal life with a job an a steady boyfriend but here and there she needs extra $$ and I am willing to help her, nothing wrong with that BTW a true UTR doesn't want her info shared lightly, if she wanted more exposure she can do it herself.I heard a lot about this UTRs from guys who are patrons of strip clubs. Some reports claim about stripping business being slow and these women are in need of extra cash to pay their bills, rents, etc. And so they decided to hook up with these guys to make the ends meet or whatever. But these women would only see people that they already know from previous encounter and or have already established a rapport with them. So my guess is if you're not in crowd then you're out and there's no way in with these girls unless they know you.
Just my opinion.
Jody, reviewd by Supereloquent (posted 10-20-10 in the Escort Classified Ads –Posted by Escorts. Section)
My girl Jody needs a few dates this week. If you are interested in her, contact me through her and I will provide you with her info. If you want to see more of her, check her out on Supers post pages. She is well worth it!My friend coming to town. BEST EVER (posted 06-03-08 in the Escort Classified Ads. Member Discussions – section)
My good friend is coming to town June 22 to June 24. Shes shy but the best ever! She wanted me to put out a feeler for her on how her schedule would be. Shes a MILF who has a great head on her shoulder. Blonde, dds and an ass to die for. Shes just the best escort I've ever met. If you are interested and want to learn more, PM me. I'll get you in contact with her and send you a link to her pictures. ThanksTo: YouKnowwho,
If you are actually a monger, I apologize. I have enough enemies. I am not trying to make more. But! You've been around since 2008, posted 25 times and the only real review was on a girl standing on a corner in Florida.
I find your interest in UTR girls very interesting. You've posted a lot of information in the Escort Classified sections. Are you seeking women, flying under the radar, to add to your stable? Are you a pimp?
Again! If you are a monger, I apologize.
CookyJar
Chela doesn't do hard drugs. I know that is hard to believe, but it is true. I continue to warn her to stay away from main stream providers, pimps and hustlers. She continues to fly under the radar, accepting referrals only. What she really needs is a real job.
CookyJarI have been doing this for awhile. I have learned to be skeptical.
I don't do dates from Backpage, CriagsList, Strip Clubs, or massage parlors. Maybe that is why my list of UTR girls is so short. In fact of all the girls I have known, only two come to mind, who might qualify as flying under the radar. Chela And Jewels (aka Brittany) Are two girls who it may be rather hard for the average guy to find. So I understand the basic concept.
After giving it more thought, I now can conceive of how one might accumulate a group of UTR girls from chat lines, CraigLists and other sources. My only remaining question is: How does a UTR girl become a tradable commodity?
IMHO a better term would be, "Part Timer." It would not be my first choice but I would even prefer the term, "Non-Pro." Again! This is just my own personal opinion.
CookyJar
Cephlapod Love
07-20-12, 08:43
I heard a lot about this UTRs from guys who are patrons of strip clubs. Some reports claim about stripping business being slow and these women are in need of extra cash to pay their bills, rents, etc. And so they decided to hook up with these guys to make the ends meet or whatever. But these women would only see people that they already know from previous encounter and or have already established a rapport with them. So my guess is if you're not in crowd then you're out and there's no way in with these girls unless they know you.
Just my opinion.Er, not necessarily. As enveed pointed out there are other avenues for finding UTR girls than just strip clubs. On line is probably the most common [many different avenues], but if one has game, they can find them in line at the convenience store and elsewhere. But if one behaves appropriately at a strip club, there is no reason one can't get added to "the list" for takeout. Sure, it ain't likely to happen with one visit, but a good hunt dosen't end with the first sighting of that trophy buck either. It takes some stalking and positioning.
For me, part of the fun of utr girls is the hunt. Nothing like finding a low mileage, non-pro girl who often has a BF or SO and as such is discreet, clean and not interested in drama. Sure tough economic situations are the primary motivators for utr girls, and those don't change with the cash from one meeting. Thus finding a good one can mean months of play with a fun, safe and motivated girl. Also, if one finds the right girl, who is trustworthy, honest and safe there is a lot more available on the menu.
So look around, the utr girls are out there! Hope you find some and get to enjoy the pleasures!
Cephlapod Love
07-20-12, 09:14
I have been doing this for awhile. I have learned to be skeptical.
I don't do dates from Backpage, CriagsList, Strip Clubs, or massage parlors. Maybe that is why my list of UTR girls is so short. In fact of all the girls I have known, only two come to mind, who might qualify as flying under the radar. Chela And Jewels (aka Brittany) Are two girls who it may be rather hard for the average guy to find. So I understand the basic concept.
After giving it more thought, I now can conceive of how one might accumulate a group of UTR girls from chat lines, CraigLists and other sources. My only remaining question is: How does a UTR girl become a tradable commodity?
IMHO a better term would be,"Part Timer." It would not be my first choice but I would even prefer the term,"Non-Pro." Again! This is just my own personal opinion.
CookyJarTradable commodity? LOL! Got a kick out of one's terminology.
Most of the utr girls I have found or developed are not interested in being "pro" or out there. They will see only a very few guys, if any other than you. If they need more than one guy can give, they usually prefer to develop their own contacts. I have had several utr girls that I knew needed more help and tried to help them out with referrals, but alas, [as you well know] fellow mongers can be a bit flakey and often let you down. I'm not about to jeopardize a good thing on a whim. Only a few will cross the line from UTR to "pro." But, I prefer a low mileage girl who is far from the drug scene and more careful about her business.
I have seen many discussion on various threads about what is the proper definition of an utr girl. Certainly anyone who walks the street does not qualify. Certainly anyone with a picture out there on CL, BP or other escort sites does not qualify. Generally, I think there is a line there somewhere, and it is a bit fuzzy as to when a girl is "out there" and thus considered pro: It has to do with advertising and at what regularity. Look, if a girl supports herself by "flat backing" or supports a habit, IMHO she ain't no utr girl. But as I said, this definition is one of much opinion and debate!
UTR girls come to this through a number of channels and methods. Usually it is needing funds for their kids, but a few I have met were doing it just for the kicks. Think the power it gives them, the ego boost that comes from getting paid. Those kind are looking for good sex, and as such are A LOT of work. Many think the money is easy, but aren't able to handle the guilt or scars to their conscience and soon wash out.
Also the utr game is more like a "real date" than just an pick up on the street. While the out come might be the same, the utr girl usually wants to be treated like a short-term GF, than a pick up "date." More towards an escort encounter than a SW. These girls, in many cases want to use the illusion of "dating" as a way to deny to themselves that they are escorting. One never talks about money, it is more about 'help."
I think what appeals to those in the SW realm is filling a need, as it arises. Also the primal hunt when the game is so dangerous certainly is some of the appeal? But treat a true utr girl like a SW and you'll have a one-off date. They want a nice time while getting some "help!" These girls come from all walks of life! Oh the stories I could tell!
So the hunt for utr is different and the rewards are different. Also, the pricing is usually more in line with escorts than SWs.
Different strokes for different folks.
Cephlapod Love
07-20-12, 09:44
Just a few discrete shots of some of my utr play list.
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Tradable commodity? LOL! Got a kick out of one's terminology.
Most of the utr girls I have found or developed are not interested in being "pro" or out there. They will see only a very few guys, if any other than you. If they need more than one guy can give, they usually prefer to develop their own contacts. I have had several utr girls that I knew needed more help and tried to help them out with referrals, but alas, [as you well know] fellow mongers can be a bit flakey and often let you down. I'm not about to jeopardize a good thing on a whim. Only a few will cross the line from UTR to "pro." But, I prefer a low mileage girl who is far from the drug scene and more careful about her business.
I have seen many discussion on various threads about what is the proper definition of an utr girl. Certainly anyone who walks the street does not qualify. Certainly anyone with a picture out there on CL, BP or other escort sites does not qualify. Generally, I think there is a line there somewhere, and it is a bit fuzzy as to when a girl is "out there" and thus considered pro: It has to do with advertising and at what regularity. Look, if a girl supports herself by "flat backing" or supports a habit, IMHO she ain't no utr girl. But as I said, this definition is one of much opinion and debate!
UTR girls come to this through a number of channels and methods. Usually it is needing funds for their kids, but a few I have met were doing it just for the kicks. Think the power it gives them, the ego boost that comes from getting paid. Those kind are looking for good sex, and as such are A LOT of work. Many think the money is easy, but aren't able to handle the guilt or scars to their conscience and soon wash out.
Also the utr game is more like a "real date" than just an pick up on the street. While the out come might be the same, the utr girl usually wants to be treated like a short-term GF, than a pick up "date." More towards an escort encounter than a SW. These girls, in many cases want to use the illusion of "dating" as a way to deny to themselves that they are escorting. One never talks about money, it is more about 'help."
I think what appeals to those in the SW realm is filling a need, as it arises. Also the primal hunt when the game is so dangerous certainly is some of the appeal? But treat a true utr girl like a SW and you'll have a one-off date. They want a nice time while getting some "help!" These girls come from all walks of life! Oh the stories I could tell!
So the hunt for utr is different and the rewards are different. Also, the pricing is usually more in line with escorts than SWs.
Different strokes for different folks.Excellent description, UTR women generally live fairly normal lives whether or not they have a SO. Most have normal jobs and are like the gal next door. They chose who they want to see and want guys who will see them on a consistent basis. They don't want the world to know what they are doing. It is normally a very discreet encounter.
UTR: Advantanges- Good steady sex, safer woman, safer situation, less drama (definitely less than a real girlfriend) , less bs (definitely less than many SWs) and pricing can be good. My pricing experience is that they want more than a SW, but look for less than an escort. If a UTR wants escort prices move on, its not worth it. In this economy there are many fish in the sea.
UTR Disadvantages- The same woman might get boring, you might miss the hunt and she might not have all the skills a pro has.
In my honest opinion: The UTR is a good in the right situation and for the right person.
…Most of the utr girls I have found or developed are not interested in being "pro" or out there. They will see only a very few guys, if any other than you. If they need more than one guy can give, they usually prefer to develop their own contacts.Too my mind, prostitution is defined as the providing of sexual favors for money. Any girl who accepts money for a sexual act is dealing in prostitution and is hence; a prostitute (a pro). Whether she does it part-time, under the radar or just for rent does not matter.
Having said the above, I want to thank both "Cephlapod Love" and "Sam I Am" for helping to clear up the UTR girl concept for me.
… UTR women generally live fairly normal lives whether or not they have a SO. Most have normal jobs and are like the gal next door. They chose who they want to see and want guys who will see them on a consistent basis. They don't want the world to know what they are doing. It is normally a very discreet encounter.A UTR girl (if I understand you correctly) is basically the same as a "Real Girlfriend," without the commitment. It does not matter where you find her, in a local bar, a chat room, the supermarket, strip club, family reunion, your sister's wedding, craigslists, or if she is passed to you in a sex forum. She provides what you want and you provide the amount she needs. There is no love lost. You can take her to dinner, watch her kids and meet her parents. She'll wash your car, paint your house and walk the dog. You can come and go as you please and she fucks others as needed. Everything is done in private, discreetly and under the radar.
Darn it! If a UTR girl doesn't sound a lot like what some guys would call a wife or girlfriend after being together for awhile.
ROFLMBAO.
CookyJar
Cephlapod Love
07-20-12, 21:34
Too my mind, prostitution is defined as the providing of sexual favors for money. Any girl who accepts money for a sexual act is dealing in prostitution and is hence; a prostitute (a pro). Whether she does it part-time, under the radar or just for rent does not matter.
Oh come on now! SAY IT AIN'T SO! LOL I think we all know better here: no one is soliciting acts of prostitution. Nah, we are all amateur photogs who take pictures of the girls, and THEN, if consenting adults happen to decide to play, "after the film is in the can," well then who is to say something untold occurred? Best I can tell there is no crime in hiring a woman to dance for you, pose, strip or clean yer windows. But I must say, my charm and looks must be the deciding factor as to why so many of these girls end up playing with me? Er, right? VBG!
Having said the above, I want to thank both "Cephlapod Love" and "Sam I Am" for helping to clear up the UTR girl concept for me.
In all seriousness. You are welcome. Glad to be able to pay back, in some miniscule way, all that you have done and do here!
UTR girl (if I understand you correctly) is basically the same as a "Real Girlfriend," without the commitment. It does not matter where you find her, in a local bar, a chat room, the supermarket, strip club, family reunion, your sister's wedding, craigslists, or if she is passed to you in a sex forum. She provides what you want and you provide the amount she needs. There is no love lost. You can take her to dinner, watch her kids and meet her parents. She'll wash your car, paint your house and walk the dog. You can come and go as you please and she fucks others as needed. Everything is done in private, discreetly and under the radar.Now you are getting it! I just got to work on getting them to paint the house or walk the dog. Er, I'd never watch her kids or meet her parents. Don't want that level of "attachment" or what that would imply.
Darn it! If a UTR girl doesn't sound a lot like what some guys would call a wife or girlfriend after being together for awhile.
ROFLMBAO.
CookyJar
Well, not exactly a GF or a wife. That is where the understanding falls apart. Actually, the benefit of the UTR girl is that worrying about her kids, meeting her parents or or other things that get into her personal life are off limits. They don't want you in their business. While I know a few guys get sucked in and cross the line {Rule # XXX: Never fall in love with a sexworker}, anything personal is off limits. I mean think back to your encounter with Jewles. She sounds like the perfect UTR girl. Other than it would be hard to debate she is still UTR since appearing on the CJ Photo pages.
I guess a key difference is the quality tends to be better- highest end of SW scale or higher. In addition, drugs and what goes with it are not usually a factor. The girl often has a very nice place and hosts so the hassles of getting a room or dealing with the joys of le Hotel Carlyle are off the table. Maybe from your perspective it is more akin to what you think of as an escort?
That said, your response triggers something I have been wondering about, since the difference in style became apparent through this discussion. I am kind or curious about why you do what your do? Is there a joy in the hunt for finding new girls all of the time? Is it a drive to find 'strange? ' A motivation of opportunity? Why when one finds a true gem on a SW scale. Why not hang on to her? [ all of the flakiness of the street aside. ] Aren't repeat dates better as some comfort is established on both sides? Isn't it better not having the hassle of negotiations and possible rip-offs or whackos?
Maybe there is no real difference here, just different sides of the same coin? Can't say anyone style or approach is better than another. Just each finds his own comfort zone / style.
Doesn't have to be CJ only who responds. Just looking to better understand a different approach.
Chopper269
07-21-12, 00:43
To me, it is all in the hunt to find something new. Reminds me of Christmas when you reach for the present (SW) and eagerly unwrap it so you can play with what is inside. It's fun because it is new and it is yours LOL at least for the new few minutes it is yours LOL. I do try to stay with some of the fine finds however they all seem to share one of two problems. One is that they seem to lose cell phones and or minutes like it's cool. Two they go and visit with uncle Leo and stay at his place for awhile. Plus I do car dates since I am too cheap for hotel or nice pad like cookyjar. So I do not get pics plus my dates are not up for the pic thing and I am too far for you guys to take advantage since I am in Reading. But thanks for all the great pics and info you guys give. I think I may have to come to Philly and try hunting there soon.
Be safe,
Chopper
Oh come on now! SAY IT AIN'T SO! LOL I think we all know better here: no one is soliciting acts of prostitution. Nah, we are all amateur photogs who take pictures of the girls, and THEN, if consenting adults happen to decide to play, "after the film is in the can," well then who is to say something untold occurred? Best I can tell there is no crime in hiring a woman to dance for you, pose, strip or clean yer windows. But I must say, my charm and looks must be the deciding factor as to why so many of these girls end up playing with me? Er, right? VBG!No one should assume that just because we discuss prostitution or any act, that we are actual participants in prostitution or said acts. Being a law abiding American citizen, I would in no way promote prostitution or solicitation. I totally agree with you, good looks, with, charm and an persuasive personality goes a long way in getting women to play the game.
In all seriousness. You are welcome. Glad to be able to pay back, in some miniscule way, all that you have done and do here!Every so often I am amazed by the fact that even after over 5 years of posting here, there are still things that I can learn as a member of this forum. Thanks again.
Well, not exactly a GF or a wife. That is where the understanding falls apartMaybe the misunderstanding lay in what we define as a girlfriend or wife. LOL.
Most SWers welcome sugar daddies and regulars, to support their habits, but they are not looking for husbands or boyfriends. Most UTR may be advertising for one thing, but, underneath it all, they want what most regular type women want – a man. The UTR may claim otherwise, but I say; if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and wants to be treated like a duck – it's a duck. She has a regular job; like a girlfriend would have, she has a nice home; like a girlfriend would have, She wants help feeding her kids; like a girlfriend would want, she needs help paying her rent; like a girlfriend would need and she takes your money like a girlfriend would – sounds like a duck to me.
Men and women see things from their own strange prospective. You may see her as an UTR girl. Does she see you as an UTR guy? In order for her to think of you as a client, she'd first have to admit that she is a provider, a sex worker. No! She is not telling her friends about the guy she got by advertizing on CraigsList. You are her secret lover. In all likelihood, in her mind you are someone who could potentially be a number one boyfriend (if she already has a number one, you are second or third in line for the throne).
A Case in Study: A few years back a group of co-workers went out to celebrate. At the end of the night, Mr. X and Miss. X ended up spending the night together. They both agreed that they had enjoyed each other's company. They agreed that it would be nice having someone to have a few drinks with, maybe attend the occasional function with, without formal ties or commitments. They also agreed that neither one wanted to be in a relationship beyond friendship. In short, Mr X and Mrs X agreed that neither wanted a girlfriend and boyfriend relationship.
Shortly after that first night Miss. X called Mr. X to see how he was doing. They'd sometimes have lunch together on the job. Miss. X Called on Mr. X to take her grocery shopping. Then Miss. X asked Mr. X to purchase tickets to and attend her daughter's recital. Mr. X gets a late night call to rescue Miss. X whose car had a flat tire. Mr. X helps Miss X move some furniture. Then, Miss X's daughter gets sick at school and Mr. X is called by Miss X and asked if he would mind picking up her sick daughter. When Mr. X arrives at the daughter's school he has no problem picking her up because to his surprise he is listed as an emergency contact.
Two months after the original conversation Mr. X reminds Miss X of that conversation and how they had both agreed that neither of them wanted to be in a boyfriend / girlfriend relationship and how it seems as if he is now performing all of the duties / things a boyfriend normally does and is therefore a boyfriend and that this is not the type of relationship he had suggested or thought he was entering. Miss. X is highly insulted, breaks off their friendship (whatever it was) and stops speaking to Mr. X altogether.
What Mr. X wanted was a girl he could take to the movies when he didn't want to go alone. What Mr. X wanted was someone to have on his arm when going out with other friends and their wives. Mr. X wanted (and thought he was getting) a female friend without the duties of a boyfriend. What he got was a Bytch I ended-up having to fire. Men and women see things differently. What you see as under the radar, she sees as potential.
Actually, the benefit of the UTR girl is that worrying about her kids, meeting her parents or or other things that get into her personal life are off limits. They don't want you in their business.Yeah! That's what they all say, at first. If the right catch comes along and the situation is right, you'll be sitting at this year's Thanksgiving Day table.
I would think that what makes a girl a true UTR girl is her method of advertizing. That; and her availability to the general public. Girls flying about the radar are easy to spot and easy to pick-up. They are available to the average monger. Girls like Chela And Jewels, although they are known participants, are pretty near impossible for the average guy to find – because they do not show-up on the average guys ho-dar. Even after seeing their pictures and even if they saw either girl in person, I would doubt whether the average monger could get a date with either Chela And Jewels – they don't date without references. Furthermore, as far as quality goes, I would put both Chela And Jewels up against any UTR girl when it comes to looks or service.
CookyJar
Anybody wishing to contact Melissa USASexGuide. Info / forum / attachment. Php? Attachmentid=146973&the=1316987073.
She has asked me to give you her phone digits. Just PM me and I'll send them.
Member #4318
10-13-12, 10:00
I have a few new UTR girls that I found in various places the past few months. If someone has some UTR girls I willing to trade info.
Roadtrip2011
10-13-12, 11:45
Anybody wishing to contact Melissa USASexGuide. Info / forum / attachment. Php? Attachmentid=146973&the=1316987073.
She has asked me to give you her phone digits. Just PM me and I'll send them.Trying to check out the attachment. But I'm part, mostly maybe, idiot on my dads side. And can't get it to work! A little help for the puter illiterate please!
Thanks and be safe
Old Delinquent
10-13-12, 13:03
Trying to check out the attachment. But I'm part, mostly maybe, idiot on my dads side. And can't get it to work! A little help for the puter illiterate please!
Thanks and be safeTake a look at the date of that post. That'll tell you why it's not up anymore.
Roadtrip2011
10-13-12, 13:05
Take a look at the date of that post. That'll tell you why it's not up anymore.Getting confirmation that I really am part idiot!
Thanks
Getting confirmation that I really am part idiot!
ThanksIf you want to see what she looks like here is a link:
Http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=146973&d=1316987073
Roadtrip2011
10-13-12, 16:56
If you want to see what she looks like here is a link:
Http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=146973&d=1316987073She looks pretty good. Got to love the ones that help the (mentally challenged) guys like me!
My boy got me a smart phone and it was probably one of the dumbest things he coulda done fer me. A for the effort though.
Again, seriously, thanks.
Be safe out there!
Forth Ryte
11-08-12, 23:02
Back around the early part of the Summer, there was discussion here that the 24/25th Precints were getting tougher for mongers that the 26th. Or was it that the 26th was getting tougher for mongers that the 24th/25th?
Who can enlighten me whiich side of the line is to be avoided?
PM OK.
Forth Ryte
East or West
Back around the early part of the Summer, there was discussion here that the 24/25th Precints were getting tougher for mongers that the 26th. Or was it that the 26th was getting tougher for mongers that the 24th / 25th?
Who can enlighten me whiich side of the line is to be avoided?
PM OK.
Forth RyteNormally I don't like to be specific about time and places. For you Forth Ryte I'll make an exception. I was out yesterday, Thursday from around 8am to around 3pm. I was stood up by one old friend and was lucky to have run into another. At 9:30 I left the Northwest Center, drove pass the DD. 7Eleven and Huntingdon station. After making a turn-a-round a block pass Letterly, I ran into Moyua – my one true love.
Moyua and I went shopping, had lunch together and spent some time visiting different areas enjoying each other's company, on a hunt for adventure. We stopped at one location and Moyua replenished herself. We played awhile and left. We stopped for a snack before driving some more. We made another stop and Moyua did her thing before we played some more. All in all I spent a lot of time in the area and had plenty of opportunity to observe.
My point is that LE was everywhere I went or passed. I saw three bike cops, on a side street, near the 7Eleven. I saw the same cops later, after I picked up Moyua on a side street. They were on another side street near Lehigh Ave. Later I witnessed a raid, wagons and three cars a few blocks west of the avenue. There were SEPTA cops, Marked and unmarked police and Bike LE, moving from corner to corner. Most of the known hook-up corners were occupied, by LE, at one time or another. And when LE, moved, the girls returned.
The warrant unit was out and Moyua and I joked about how this is the only section of the city where LE does rolling patrol street stops. A rolling stop is were they drive around, pull over a group; ask for ID and someone in the group has a warrant.
Worrying about police presents is a wasted effort. The area is called the Badlands for a reason and there is always a high police effort. What I saw wasn't unusual. It's the norm. It's what I see every time I'm in the area.
Don't fool yourself thinking there is a safe time or place.
CookyJar
Back around the early part of the Summer, there was discussion here that the 24/25th Precints were getting tougher for mongers that the 26th. Or was it that the 26th was getting tougher for mongers that the 24th / 25th?
Who can enlighten me whiich side of the line is to be avoided?The simple answer to your question is the North side. That's because the 24th police district (North of Lehigh) got a new captain last spring who vowed to clean up the mess:
http://www.citypaper.net/news/2012-03-15-philadelphia-police-24th-district-charles-vogt.html?&c=n
The captain on the South side of Lehigh (26th district) is doing a pretty good job too. I always drive up from York to Lehigh on Fridays after 5 PM. That's usually prime time. But last night there was not one lady at the key pickup spots.
The previous poster called the area the Badlands. As is often the case with his names and addresses (E. G. Hotel Carlyle) , he is wrong, both from an official map standpoint and from the way it is known on the street. The Badlands is to the west of the area from which most of the reports here are made. It is basically the 25th police district. The heart of it would be 3rd and Indiana. You won't do well picking up girls there, but you sure can score on some drugs.
Stupid question but does anyone have the link to the best girlfriend forum? I lost my book mark and can't find it.
Stupid question but does anyone have the link to the best girlfriend forum? I lost my book mark and can't find it.Are you talking about BestGFE? http://www. Bestgfe. Com / forum/
Are you talking about BestGFE?
http://www
Bestgfe. Com / forum/Yes, exactly. Thanks so much.
Yes, exactly. Thanks so much.The Ega Hotel Carlyle?
For some reason I could not get the link to work, so I copied the article. This explains the reports of all the recent police presence reported at Somerset. Be careful around here.
One of the worst-kept secrets in Philadelphia for years has been the open-air drug trafficking at Kensington Avenue and Somerset Street underneath the Market-Frankford elevated line.
On any given day, cars drive slowly around the intersection looking for drug dealers, guys walk up and down the street shouting "work," advertising their illegal activity, and money changes hands in plain sight.
"A lot of things been ignored," said a woman who only identified herself as Naomi for fear of retaliation. She said she has picked up trash in the neighborhood for 12 years and used to stay in a house about 100 feet away."It's a shame that little kids have to be exposed to the needles, the trash and the dirt."
But yesterday, something else appeared at the busy intersection: uniformed SEPTA police. The transit agency, in partnership with Philadelphia Police officers from the 24th District, began an enforcement effort to make the area a safe corridor for riders and residents.
SEPTA said it will maintain a police presence there around-the-clock and step up cleaning efforts.
"The number one expectation is that the station will remain clean," said SEPTA Police Chief Thomas Nestel III, a former Philadelphia police officer."Number two is that people can make it safely to our station and from our station without being afraid. We want to attack the fear people have in going to the Somerset station."
Nestel said officers will look to crack down on drug trafficking, prostitution, loitering and the sale of needles, but won't turn a blind eye to other crimes. At the same time, he said those who want help will be directed to social service providers.
"Everything is on the table at this location, especially in the beginning stages. We want to set the tone and we want to set it pretty strongly," he said, adding that no end-date has been set for the effort.
Business owner: Where have cops been all along?
While business owners welcome more enforcement, some blame police for not addressing the drug corner sooner.
'I used to call the cops and now I don't even call them because they don't come and I see that nothing was being done, ' said one business owner, who declined to give her name. The woman, who does not speak English, said she has been in business since 2008, but has seen a steady decline.
'[The customers] don't want to come here because they don't want to get stuck up. When they drive up, people walk up to their cars thinking they want to buy drugs' she said, through an interpreter. 'When the police are not around, [drug dealers] are all out in front. '
Constant presence promised at station.
One of the problems with such enforcement efforts is that criminals simply relocate to another neighborhood, but Nestel said SEPTA plans to address that.
'Displacement is always a concern, which is why we're really focused on making sure we have options for people that really want help. We want to try to get folks hooked up with social services and get them out of that neighborbook and get them off of that corner, ' he said. 'If it displaces then we'll work with the 24th District on addressing that problem. '
He also vowed that when an officer leaves to process an arrest, another officer will replace them to maintain a constant presence. 'We're in this for the long haul. '
Tonsil Hockey
01-13-13, 15:37
The Lancaster BP postings offered this today: http://pennsylvania.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/5-min-from-park-city-mall-abby-all-weekend-half-100-will-not-do-the-new-fetish-dutch-rumble-22/13480553
Does anyone have any idea what the "Dutch Rumble" involves?
Member #5211
01-13-13, 18:42
I'm going down to the WG area, does anybody know of any good providers in the area? I'm looking for someone to come to me because I won't have a car while I'm down there. Everything seems slim-pickin's in that area.
Title say it all, I am looking to take a lady of questionable morals to a short stay motel during the day time and at her request a Jacuzzi tub would be appreciated, to my limited knowledge the Inn of the Dove has them in a nice setting but they only take overnight stays and this is just not possible since this lady can only play while the boyfriend is at work so looking to spend some quality time between the 10:00 am to 4:00 pm hours, could the more experienced mongers share a suitable location? Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Title say it all, I am looking to take a lady of questionable morals to a short stay motel during the day time and at her request a Jacuzzi tub would be appreciated, to my limited knowledge the Inn of the Dove has them in a nice setting but they only take overnight stays and this is just not possible since this lady can only play while the boyfriend is at work so looking to spend some quality time between the 10:00 am to 4:00 pm hours, could the more experienced mongers share a suitable location? Any help will be greatly appreciated!Try Feathers Nest Inn in Cherry Hill NJ. It should suit your needs.
Title say it all, I am looking to take a lady of questionable morals to a short stay motel during the day time and at her request a Jacuzzi tub would be appreciated, to my limited knowledge the Inn of the Dove has them in a nice setting but they only take overnight stays and this is just not possible since this lady can only play while the boyfriend is at work so looking to spend some quality time between the 10:00 am to 4:00 pm hours, could the more experienced mongers share a suitable location? Any help will be greatly appreciated!Yeah Feathernest is your best bet. 4 hour short stay on weekdays should run you 57bux between 11am and 3pm. They take cash, no cc required, no paper trail. Perfect! Clean room, hot tub and good porn channels.
Sivad1 and Readhead, your advice was spot on, had a great time at the Feather Nest today and it was all you guys said it would be, thank you again!
Inncogneatoe
05-06-13, 11:02
$100 for 20 photos. You heard me right, one hundred dollars for taking twenty nude photos of a K streetwalker. And the photographer (tall, old, light African, somewhat gay-acting, polite, long resume of photos) didn't even participate in sex. This info is direct from one of his subjects. I thought it would be useful here for those who have been seeking women for sex and are thinking of retiring into a related hobby.
But it also begs the question: Is this high rate of pay pushing up the price for those of us seeking the same girls for sex?Maybe this guy should talk to CookyJar. Is he posting his pictures online? Where?
CookyJar has posted thirty, forty pictures of two and sometime three girls, in one session. At $100 each, WOW! A rough calculation; that could be about $500 bucks a session. Did you see the session CookyJar posted with Stephanie and her friends in the SNJ thread? At the rate your friend is paying, that would have cost CookyJar a small fortune. I am guessing it is not cheap; but, $100 each girl for just pictures.
On the other hand; he (CookyJar) does constantly claim that he does not pay for sex. He is kind of creepy. Who does this for this long for no pay and no rhyme or reason?
Could you have misunderstood? Maybe she said, $1. 00 each for 20 pictures? Means nothing to me; but, could she have been lying to you? I don't know; but, I have heard that some of these girls will lie. You cannot expect them to admit to selling themselves on the cheap. I guess a lot depends on how much you paid to get this information. For the right price she would likely tell you anything you wanted to hear.
I am just saying,
Incogneatoe
…the photographer (tall, old, light African, somewhat gay-acting, polite, good looking, well built, intelligent, long resume of photos)…What are you implying? You've got to be kidding. And, you believe her? Ha, ha, ha...your new username certainly fits you.
It bothers me to know that there are guys like you out there questioning the girls about me. Why? What's it to you? Why are you so interested? What's your agenda? Are you the cops? A priest? What's your problem? If what I am doing bothers you so much, why don't you go jump off of a building or something. Get off my dick!
(Actually I don't believe you ever left the comforts of your bedroom. You got so much wrong, it all sounds made-up. I am a short, young, macho, white, rude ass. The only truth is that; I don't have sex with the girls and I have posted a few pictures. LOL)
CookyJar.
PS: At least you've stopped calling me a gun toting pervert drug dealer.
Man why are people asking SWs about who took pictures of them and how much they paid for how many and even if they had sex and even posted characteristics. Who cares, from the looks of his thread it looks as if his pictures helped more then it didn't. Who even thinks of asking these things? If you saw Mary Monday around 8 and posted a review do I go see Mary and ask her who did she see last night around 8? This board is for exchanging useful information and sharing experiences opinions etc. All under the radar to say the least. I don't care what game your in SW AMP Escort etc I would find pictures very useful and just be thankful that someone posted them and I would never care how much he paid for them or what he looks like. Lets move on from the childish games and continue with reviews and if nobody complained about higher prices in the long period he's been posting pictures it's probably not an issue.
Happy mongering Philly board
(Actually I don't believe you ever left the comforts of your bedroom. You got so much wrong, it all sounds made-up. I am a short, young, macho, white, rude ass. The only truth is that; I don't have sex with the girls and I have posted a few pictures. LOL)
CookyJar.
PS: At least you've stopped calling me a gun toting pervert drug dealer.Well said Cooky and Sam Katz. I have a question. Is it wrong to post photos here for any amount of money, or is it wrong to come here to look at the photos posted? I really don't think anybody here cares what you give the girls to take their pics. What matters to them is they don't have to invest in a decent camera and they can come here and see the pics free of charge. I really don't see the separation there.
I told you when this happened so you know it's the truth. I can relate this to everybody here now. It is a true story. I swear on everything that's holy this really happened last summer.
There was a girl on a corner. I happened to be waiting for a friend to have lunch with. This girl, very attractive, charging $80. 00. 120. 00 for whatever her services might be, walked over to me. She gently put her arm around me and snuggled in very close and said to me word for word " Gator for a pack of Newports I'll suck your dick". I gently told her I was busy and turned from her and almost fell on my ass laughing as she walked away. There is a certain amount of effort I like to exert when I chase pussy and blowjobs. So the point here is pics, pussy and blowjobs can be had for almost any price.
So I guess according to the previous poster the price range now is somewhere between $100. 00 and Newports. Now the people in my circle of friends still say I should have taken that while it was on sale. As far as I know she hasn't had a sale like that since. Imagine that, bargain basement pussy and I shot it down to have lunch with my Buddy. We all know everybody doesn't pay the same thing for pussy. It's not like there's a price list at every red light. If there ever is I can almost guarantee you won't find Newports on it. So everything and everyone could have a different price.
In the world we live in there are always going to be those that are jealous of someone. Seems that's the case that pops up here. Wonder if you should be flattered this person idolizes you so much that he pays so much attention to what you are doing and who you are doing it with. What anybody pays for photos is not at all relevant to the issues here. Especially as you know I pay nothing for the photos in my collection. What you are doing with your money is of no concern to anybody but you. Not me or anybody. JUST NOT OUR BUSINESS. You are following the guidelines of the forum. You provide information with respect to the conditions set forth. Nowhere in the guidelines does it address the issue of what one might pay for anything.
You and I know this person has no idea of what he's talking about. We know the same people. We know the same girls. We know what has to be known in this activity to do what we do. When someone comes along and addresses the money another may or may not be spending then they have too much time in between masturbation sessions.
To my knowledge there is no truth to anything that this individual posted. There is no gun. You are the farthest person I know from being Gay. Not that there is anything wrong with being Gay. The women you photograph are usually known by me and for the most part and will tell people what they want to hear. Wonder how much he might have paid a girl to say the things he wanted her to say? The Ave girls tend to be very accommodating for the right price. They lie to their family. What makes him think they are telling him the truth. I doubt he's family.
For those that care, keep a $100. 00 bill in one shirt pocket and a pack of Newports in the other. You will be so surprised what you can get for either.
So now on to more important things. I understand you did photos for Angie. Angie is going to set this forum on fire when you post them pics.
I've known Angie for a few years. She is one of the best providers available hands down. She is so very far from a typical Avenue Girl. She is very pretty. Has a beautiful smile. She is one of those girls that can carry a conversation at any level. I have been seen in public with her on several occasions. Nobody would ever know the deal. Angie always looks like she just got out of the shower. As long as I have known her I have never seen her dirty or needing a shower. One thing that makes Angie stand out from everybody else is she has a life. She also understands that her clients have a life and would never intrude into that life unasked.
She is a companion that enjoys overnighters. She has never taken as much as a soda from my fridge without asking. When she is at my place she fits right in like she was always there. She likes watching movies. Likes hot apple pie with ice cream. She enjoys morning breakfast and a couple cups of coffee. She even has her own toiletries at my place for when she visits. She has boundaries but I will let others find out just what those boundaries are. One could be standing in a supermarket check out line beside Angie and never guess what she does. Angie is the perfectly ideal date. Take her home to mom at Thanksgiving and Mom will never know why you are so thankful. She'll just think you found religion and tell Angie how happy she is you finally found a good girl. As I said, Angie and I have known each other a long time. If all the girls on the Ave was like her then prostitution would be legal, at least here. Everybody would want some of that. I watched two cops almost crash their bikes over her the other day looking at her. Angie has been away for a while for personal reasons. Some of the Mongers know what they are but personally I'll keep them private. The reaction here is going to be interesting when the pics are posted. Just watch. Welcome back Angie you are really above the rest.
$100 for 20 photos. You heard me right, one hundred dollars for taking twenty nude photos of a K streetwalker. And the photographer (tall, old, light African, somewhat gay-acting, polite, long resume of photos) didn't even participate in sex. This info is direct from one of his subjects. I thought it would be useful here for those who have been seeking women for sex and are thinking of retiring into a related hobby.
But it also begs the question: Is this high rate of pay pushing up the price for those of us seeking the same girls for sex?I happen to know the girl you refer to in your previous post. I was wondering if this girl also told you how much she loves you and that you have the biggest dick she has ever seen? Reason is she has told me the same thing. Another thing she said is I'm the best person she has ever had sexually. I certainly hope she didn't tell you all this too. Did she also say you was her first? Or that she never did that position before. It would just destroy me. Maybe she said she's only been on the Ave about a week. Probably break my heart. OMG.
What you posted here is so very far off what the purpose of the forum is we would have to pump daylight into it just to read it.
I don't know who's paying how much for what. Don't give a shit. What would be an acceptable price to you for the services of which you speak? Don't give a shit. Also do you really care if I'm fucking someone or not? Don't give a shit. I don't care what shade skin another person has. Don't give a shit. Doesn't interest me if a person is Gay acting. Just don't give a shit. How tall he is doesn't matter. Simply don't give a shit. Polite or ignorant I don't give a shit. How long some ones resume or his dick is. Believe it or not I just don't give a shit. You seem to know a lot about a person you have more than likely never met. Have you ever met him? If not where do you get your info on him. Reason I'm asking is I know him personally. Does he offend you by taking photos? If so maybe you shouldn't be on this site. He's not going anywhere. Just sayin.
Now, as far as retirement hobbies go wouldn't this info, assuming you aren't bullshitting, be better suited for the AARP website? Just asking.
By the way did I say I don't give a shit about what you have to say that doesn't have anything to do with the forum? Just asking. You know me can't keep my mouth shut, I'm just an 'OL Gator
HappySmiles
05-06-13, 16:58
I happen to know the girl you refer to in your previous post. I was wondering if this girl also told you how much she loves you and that you have the biggest dick she has ever seen? Reason is she has told me the same thing. Another thing she said is I'm the best person she has ever had sexually. I certainly hope she didn't tell you all this too. Did she also say you was her first? Or that she never did that position before. It would just destroy me. Maybe she said she's only been on the Ave about a week. Probably break my heart. OMG.
What you posted here is so very far off what the purpose of the forum is we would have to pump daylight into it just to read it.
I don't know who's paying how much for what. Don't give a shit. What would be an acceptable price to you for the services of which you speak? Don't give a shit. Also do you really care if I'm fucking someone or not? Don't give a shit. I don't care what shade skin another person has. Don't give a shit. Doesn't interest me if a person is Gay acting. Just don't give a shit. How tall he is doesn't matter. Simply don't give a shit. Polite or ignorant I don't give a shit. How long some ones resume or his dick is. Believe it or not I just don't give a shit. You seem to know a lot about a person you have more than likely never met. Have you ever met him? If not where do you get your info on him. Reason I'm asking is I know him personally. Does he offend you by taking photos? If so maybe you shouldn't be on this site. He's not going anywhere. Just sayin.
Now, as far as retirement hobbies go wouldn't this info, assuming you aren't bullshitting, be better suited for the AARP website? Just asking.
By the way did I say I don't give a shit about what you have to say that doesn't have anything to do with the forum? Just asking. You know me can't keep my mouth shut, I'm just an 'OL GatorAbsolutely spot on Gator. Extremely well said as always.
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My post got deleted because I got mad at what was posted earlier and went off. We don't need this stuff on this forum. And I ask the administrator to delete posts that attack other members in any way. Thats not what this forum is for. To the person who was attacked, Don't worry about these people, they are just looking to start trouble. We all know you are a good person and don't care what people say about you. You do great work and I hope you keep it up.
NaughtiNikkiDe
05-10-13, 22:59
Title say it all, I am looking to take a lady of questionable morals to a short stay motel during the day time and at her request a Jacuzzi tub would be appreciated, to my limited knowledge the Inn of the Dove has them in a nice setting but they only take overnight stays and this is just not possible since this lady can only play while the boyfriend is at work so looking to spend some quality time between the 10:00 am to 4:00 pm hours, could the more experienced mongers share a suitable location? Any help will be greatly appreciated!It's not cheap but you can check in as early as 8am and be out by 5pm for 104, there is an ipod doc and a jacuzzi. Located in bensalem. Good luck.
Tonsil Hockey
06-07-13, 04:57
First, my condolences to the families of those who lost loved ones in the tragedy, and best wishes for rapid recoveries for those injured.
The area extending west on Market, beginning at the old Nate Ben's Reliable building, to the corner of 23rd and Market has a rich "mongering" history. Directly next to the building which collapsed, was a massage parlor called "The Gallery", which advertised "Models Available" in the adult cinema pages of the Daily News, until around 1985. Throughout much of the '70s, and into the early '80s, adult film quality *models* would "pose" in any of several rooms,"Polaroid rental $10. 00". Several of the models had actually been cast in mainstream porn films, which were shown down the street at the Forum Theater. That two-block section contained four massage parlors, three adult bookstores, and at least two peep shows. Most of these businesses later relocated some of their services to the area of 20th and Sansom Streets. Honeysuckle Divine even performed at The Forum for a week-long engagement in 1980.
Like New York City, Philadelphia is rapidly losing it's formerly rich heritage. With relation to the world of adult entertainment.
Interesting stuff. Thanks!
I saw a live peep show in Phila. (somewhere) in the 70's. The girl was in the middle of roughly a circle of small private booths. You put your quarters in, and a viewing window opened.
It's kind of an interesting and different experience.
There was a famous one in Seatle I've been to. I heard it recently closed, after decades in business. There were small slots in the wall so that you could pass dollars, to get special attention. You could choose between booths with clear glass, and one-way mirrors. I just looked up the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusty_Lady
There's one in Vegas, that was still open a couple of years ago when I was there. You could get a private viewing with the girl after her set. One clearly suggested through gestures that HE's were available there.
Anyone know if anything like this still exits. Anywhere? I think it's a fun alternative (if patrons are considerate and the management keeps it clean). It's not a big investment of time or money (you can be in and done in 10 mins/$3. 00) , and appeals to the voyeur in us all.
First, my condolences to the families of those who lost loved ones in the tragedy, and best wishes for rapid recoveries for those injured.
The area extending west on Market, beginning at the old Nate Ben's Reliable building, to the corner of 23rd and Market has a rich "mongering" history. Directly next to the building which collapsed, was a massage parlor called "The Gallery", which advertised "Models Available" in the adult cinema pages of the Daily News, until around 1985. Throughout much of the '70s, and into the early '80s, adult film quality *models* would "pose" in any of several rooms,"Polaroid rental $10. 00". Several of the models had actually been cast in mainstream porn films, which were shown down the street at the Forum Theater. That two-block section contained four massage parlors, three adult bookstores, and at least two peep shows. Most of these businesses later relocated some of their services to the area of 20th and Sansom Streets. Honeysuckle Divine even performed at The Forum for a week-long engagement in 1980.
Like New York City, Philadelphia is rapidly losing it's formerly rich heritage. With relation to the world of adult entertainment.
Check out Carnival Books on Rt 130 in Brooklawn NJ. Girls in Amsterdam Red Light Style booths that say "talk to me" on the door. There's also a circular peep show with stripper pole inside where you can watch a gal dance for $1. Sometimes the gals talk to you and ask you personal questions thru the glass. Good Times! Hope this helps.
Readhead.
Interesting stuff. Thanks!
I saw a live peep show in Phila. (somewhere) in the 70's. The girl was in the middle of roughly a circle of small private booths. You put your quarters in, and a viewing window opened.
It's kind of an interesting and different experience.
There was a famous one in Seatle I've been to. I heard it recently closed, after decades in business. There were small slots in the wall so that you could pass dollars, to get special attention. You could choose between booths with clear glass, and one-way mirrors. I just looked up the Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusty_Lady
There's one in Vegas, that was still open a couple of years ago when I was there. You could get a private viewing with the girl after her set. One clearly suggested through gestures that HE's were available there.
Anyone know if anything like this still exits. Anywhere? I think it's a fun alternative (if patrons are considerate and the management keeps it clean). It's not a big investment of time or money (you can be in and done in 10 mins/$3. 00) , and appeals to the voyeur in us all.
HuntLadys29
06-09-13, 22:20
First, my condolences to the families of those who lost loved ones in the tragedy, and best wishes for rapid recoveries for those injured.
The area extending west on Market, beginning at the old Nate Ben's Reliable building, to the corner of 23rd and Market has a rich "mongering" history. Directly next to the building which collapsed, was a massage parlor called "The Gallery", which advertised "Models Available" in the adult cinema pages of the Daily News, until around 1985. Throughout much of the '70s, and into the early '80s, adult film quality *models* would "pose" in any of several rooms,"Polaroid rental $10. 00". Several of the models had actually been cast in mainstream porn films, which were shown down the street at the Forum Theater. That two-block section contained four massage parlors, three adult bookstores, and at least two peep shows. Most of these businesses later relocated some of their services to the area of 20th and Sansom Streets. Honeysuckle Divine even performed at The Forum for a week-long engagement in 1980.
Like New York City, Philadelphia is rapidly losing it's formerly rich heritage. With relation to the world of adult entertainment.Man in the late 70s I was stationed at the old shipyards in Philly I would go downtown to the so called photo models man were those girls nice, it was, if I can recall 50 bucks to get laid and you paid an entrance fee but you could choose your girl went there quite often also went to the dollar peep shows the girl would take off an article of clothing then the blind would go down put in another dollar more clothes went off till she was naked with a dildo up her ginger, good times I had forgot all about Philly in the 70s. Oh and on the way back to the base grab the best cheese steak on the planet.
Tonsil Hockey
06-09-13, 23:57
The Gallery was my favorite, and I (twice) had the opportunity to go for a "romp" with the daughter of my physics professor, who unbeknownst to him, had an aggressive appetite for both sex and money. I realized it was his daughter while attending a picnic at his home in Ardmore. I returned that very next week in an effort to take more advantage of the situation, however, she leveraged my visit to her advantage. In '79, one of the actresses from "Pretty Peaches", who starred opposite Desiree C* was there for a week, and available for $, (.2 for the house fee; .8 for FS; .5 for a BBBJ; Greek was $). The girl who was responsible for the Springfield Mall shooting in 1985 worked there, and at another place next to the old Fox Theater at 17th and Market.
There was a strip joint / burlesque house at 19th and Market (northwest corner) , Rhonda Jo P* (John Holmes' co-star in "Little Orphan Dusty") , Desiree C, Seka, and the gal who portrayed "Debbie" from Debbie Does Dallas all appeared there. They would show "crappy B-grade" porn movies between shows. At times,"private shows" could be arranged, usually with one of the opening acts. Some of those girls could "out-Gallagher" both Gallagher, and his twin brother.
The adult bookstore which was under the Gallery used to have the "Philly Adult Entertainment Guide" for sale for $2. 50, that publication was a veritable treasure-trove of info on all of the best locales. The best of all time was in Glenside, and went by the name "Club Royale". Most of the Center City establishments were over-priced, and overrated. 18th and Ludlow was the "Wal*Mart" of houses, with cheap pricing, and marginal quality. The two places on Sansom Street (near 20th) shared girls with the place next to the Forum Theater (.5 "all inclusive", but the same girl, that very next day would cost twice as much just two blocks south).
There were a slew of places located on the properties condemned in order to built the Convention Center. One was ".2, all inclusive"; those gals scared the hell out of me, with a few really high quality places on 13th street north of Arch, and south of Spring Garden. The AMP scene was somewhat low key until after 1985.
Those were the days, it was great to go Christmas shopping on Chestnut, then "take care of other business" at any one of many fine Philly establishments.
TosserToss1983
06-22-13, 13:42
Hey Guys,
I just moved to Philadelphia a week ago and am searching for a good GFE provider. Based in the Roxborough / Manayunk area and looking for some good suggestions near me or a reasonable distance from me.
Thank you in advance.
Yesterday I was on the K, with a new videocam gadget. Northbound at Somerset, I saw the man jump out of the van, and run west into Somerset St. He grabbed this young woman by the wrist, apparently forcing her to come with him. A woman got out of the van, and the man and the first woman held by the wrist, got in the van. There are many innocent or even good-doing possible explanations. Still-
265786
Yesterday I was on the K, with a new videocam gadget. Northbound at Somerset, I saw the man jump out of the van, and run west into Somerset St. He grabbed this young woman by the wrist, apparently forcing her to come with him. A woman got out of the van, and the man and the first woman held by the wrist, got in the van. There are many innocent or even good-doing possible explanations. Still-
265786The girl looks like Ashley. She's been around for a while. Just came back from vacation.
Can't be certain as the face is turned a bit. If I was betting I would say it's Ashley. When I see her again I will ask her about this and see what she says. Any worthwhile info I'll pass along. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator
The girl looks like Ashley. She's been around for a while. Just came back from vacation.
Can't be certain as the face is turned a bit. If I was betting I would say it's Ashley. When I see her again I will ask her about this and see what she says. Any worthwhile info I'll pass along. Me, I'm just an 'OL GatorThis might show her face a little better.
ShaferShark
08-05-13, 13:14
There were places like this in Chicago when I lived there in the late 90s. That was obviously a long time ago. Maybe an inquiry on the Chicago boards would turn up one or two.
There was one in Berwyn near Cicero and Cermak I'd go to on occasion. You paid the house for tokens, entered the booth, insterted tokens to open the screen, and then tip the girl Hamiltons and Jacksons through the slot.
I remember another one on north Clark, maybe near Diversy, and one near the Indiana border.
The internet has made these kind of places easier to find. But a part of me misses the hunt. I remember finding a strip club at the Indiana / Illinois border that had a back room. For $150, I was able to get full service from some rather good looking dancers.
Of course, the flip side is avoiding the scams. I also remember getting conned by a clip joint in Chicago."Just a little more money, baby, and we can have some real fun."
Interesting stuff. Thanks!
I saw a live peep show in Phila. (somewhere) in the 70's. The girl was in the middle of roughly a circle of small private booths. You put your quarters in, and a viewing window opened.
Anyone know if anything like this still exits. Anywhere? I think it's a fun alternative (if patrons are considerate and the management keeps it clean). It's not a big investment of time or money (you can be in and done in 10 mins/$3. 00) , and appeals to the voyeur in us all.
Chuck Marvel
08-12-13, 09:13
There were places like this in Chicago when I lived there in the late 90s. That was obviously a long time ago. Maybe an inquiry on the Chicago boards would turn up one or two.
There was one in Berwyn near Cicero and Cermak I'd go to on occasion. You paid the house for tokens, entered the booth, insterted tokens to open the screen, and then tip the girl Hamiltons and Jacksons through the slot.
I remember another one on north Clark, maybe near Diversy, and one near the Indiana border.
The internet has made these kind of places easier to find. But a part of me misses the hunt. I remember finding a strip club at the Indiana / Illinois border that had a back room. For $150, I was able to get full service from some rather good looking dancers.
Of course, the flip side is avoiding the scams. I also remember getting conned by a clip joint in Chicago."Just a little more money, baby, and we can have some real fun."Back in the mid-70's, early 80's there used to be a couple of peep shows around 12th and Market that offered service but were rip-offs. The girls would promise extra service for a $30-$50 tip put in the slot. They would then instruct you to meet them at a "room" above the show and never show up. It was just like in the movie "Porkey's" There was a spot in the Pittsburgh triangle back around then where the girls would let you reach through a hand-sized slit in the glass and finger them for a tip. There were also several spots on old "Broadway" in NY before they cleaned it up where you could get full service. Those days are gone!
Chuck Marvel
AlFromWildel
08-13-13, 19:36
There were places like this in Chicago when I lived there in the late 90s. That was obviously a long time ago. Maybe an inquiry on the Chicago boards would turn up one or two.
There was one in Berwyn near Cicero and Cermak I'd go to on occasion. You paid the house for tokens, entered the booth, insterted tokens to open the screen, and then tip the girl Hamiltons and Jacksons through the slot.
I remember another one on north Clark, maybe near Diversy, and one near the Indiana border.
The internet has made these kind of places easier to find. But a part of me misses the hunt. I remember finding a strip club at the Indiana / Illinois border that had a back room. For $150, I was able to get full service from some rather good looking dancers.
Of course, the flip side is avoiding the scams. I also remember getting conned by a clip joint in Chicago."Just a little more money, baby, and we can have some real fun."Last time I was in NJ the Carnival on 130 South had the girls in the round. Private dances also. Check the NJ forum, it might still be there.
Don't remember who told me about it or the name but there is supposed to be a cheap place on Old Lincoln Highway. Not looking for an hourly place but somewhere to hang with the right lady for about 12 hours. Any ideas?
Don't remember who told me about it or the name but there is supposed to be a cheap place on Old Lincoln Highway. Not looking for an hourly place but somewhere to hang with the right lady for about 12 hours. Any ideas?I used to go to the Lincoln. They had a pretty reasonable hourly rate. I haven't been there in a while.
Does anyone know of any reliable spots in the SW area of the city to find some action?
I always feel more comfortable bringing a SW to my room, that is outside entry into room. Basically open the door and your outside. I can not seem to find anything even close to the action on the K. If anyone knows.
Of such please help. I don't care of location just want 15 minutes or less to get back to the room.
I always feel more comfortable bringing a SW to my room, that is outside entry into room. Basically open the door and your outside. I can not seem to find anything even close to the action on the K. If anyone knows.
Of such please help. I don't care of location just want 15 minutes or less to get back to the room.I use either motel 6 or Red Roof Inn at I95, exit 9 just below the airport. That's about a 15-20 min. drive, give or take, and no bridge tolls.
A while back I came across a few videos that were apparently made in Philly by a small producer that called his business "basement productions" . I think he only made two videos that he was selling on the internet. The description was that his starlet 19 year old Katrina was his neighbors daughter. I would bet maybe he was using a friendly SW willing to do video for a few bucks. Anyway I was wondering what ever happened to his venture or if anyone is familiar with his starlet Katrina? The videos can be found and viewed by searching "neighbors daughter 1 2".
Scoundrel.
Same Old Al Z
10-27-13, 21:31
I am trying to find out info on a girl who is from Philadelphia but is posing ads in Nashville. She has visited Nashville before as "Giovanna Capri" and now she goes by "Stacy Stilettos" she claims to be from Philadelphia according to her facebook page https://www.facebook.com/giovanna.capri.5?fref=ts.
Her ad in Nashville:
http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/your-busty-s-click-me-burnette-princess-24/9288668
Her escort phone list listing:
http://escortphonesearch.com/267-320-7002/
She has an amazing body and I want to get into her. Any info is appreciated.
I'm not sure where I can post this but I just want some help from the elders. A little hottie from a rich area of NJ posted the other day. She said we can do a car date BBBJ Down the road from her parents house. Says She is 18.
How can I make sure it's not a set up? Or what should have I said or not said in the emails? She was the one that posted the price and said she swallows. I know when they say its too good to be true. It usually is. But she's hot. Thanks.
How can we see this video. Please post a link. There's millions of videos fitting that title.
A while back I came across a few videos that were apparently made in Philly by a small producer that called his business "basement productions" . I think he only made two videos that he was selling on the internet. The description was that his starlet 19 year old Katrina was his neighbors daughter. I would bet maybe he was using a friendly SW willing to do video for a few bucks. Anyway I was wondering what ever happened to his venture or if anyone is familiar with his starlet Katrina? The videos can be found and viewed by searching "neighbors daughter 1 2".
Scoundrel.
How can we see this video. Please post a link. There's millions of videos fitting that title.This seems to be it.
http://xhamster.com/movies/1360111/neighbour_daughter_1_of_2.html
Curiousjoe
11-06-13, 17:13
How can we see this video. Please post a link. There's millions of videos fitting that title.http://xhamster.com/movies/1360111/neighbour_daughter_1_of_2.html
Lost Philly
11-07-13, 09:04
Here is part 2 of the video.
http://xhamster.com/movies/1360310/neighbour_daughter_2_of_2.html
NumberDude
11-07-13, 20:27
I'm not sure where I can post this but I just want some help from the elders. A little hottie from a rich area of NJ posted the other day. She said we can do a car date BBBJ Down the road from her parents house. Says She is 18.
How can I make sure it's not a set up? Or what should have I said or not said in the emails? She was the one that posted the price and said she swallows. I know when they say its too good to be true. It usually is. But she's hot. Thanks.Posted where? Are there pictures? If so, you can search the pics on TinEye. Google the phone number. Is there a link so we can check it out too? There are usually "red flags" if something is fishy. If you email her, don't put anything incriminating in writing. If you talk on the phone, don't make propositions or say anything incriminating. Good idea to be suspicious. Send the link if possible.
For those that have been sending me P M s I can get the P M but am unable to respond. I have notified the Admin four times but it seems they are unable to assist me with this issue. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.
I was a member of this board for years. I took a break but now back in the hobby. I have a new UTR girl that I found on FB. She is up for meeting some new people. I'm willing to trade her info for some other UTR girls. PM me and we can talk further.
Mostly all who contacted me were fake and didn't have a UTR girl to trade and were just looking for my girls pics or to meet her and not have a girl to trade. If you are serious, look me up.
My girl is 19, white, be cup. 5 foot and 100 pounds.
Bigtime Monger
12-14-13, 08:57
Mostly all who contacted me were fake and didn't have a UTR girl to trade and were just looking for my girls pics or to meet her and not have a girl to trade. If you are serious, look me up.
My girl is 19, white, be cup. 5 foot and 100 pounds.You yourself may be "fake". You have a 2-post reputation here. If you are serious, tell us the name under which you were "a member of this board for years".
You yourself may be "fake". You have a 2-post reputation here. If you are serious, tell us the name under which you were "a member of this board for years".I tend to agree with BigtimeMonger. Sounds like a pimp to me. Some here come into contact with very good reliable info on some top notch girls. They share willingly no strings. They just don't, for whatever reason, have others to share. Just MHO if one has something to share (key word here is "share") Go ahead and do it cause sooner or later the rest of us will find her anyway. You can bet on that. I have seen so many so called "UTR GIRLS" over the years and many of them are not that at all. How do you think I find them. They certainly don't go lookin for me. Just sayin. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.
Shelby 500
01-04-14, 00:19
There is a survey being conducted by Christine Milrod, PhD, of mature, baby boomer hobbyists over 60. She writes that this is an "understudied group of hobbyists, and yet they comprise a very important part of our hobbying community. We need to hear from them. What they want, what they like and what they do." Dr. Milrod is a legitimate clinical researcher. You can find out more about her here: www.sexandlifecoaching.com.
I emailed her and she responded with a link to the survey. It took me about 20 minutes to answer the, roughly, 100 questions. It is completely anonymous. The statistical significance of the survey improves when a higher number of the target group participate. So the good doctor has allowed me to share the survey link with other hobbyists. If you are over 60 and interested in taking the survey, send me a PM and I'll send you the link to the survey. Or you can contact Dr. Milrod directly through the website. She's very prompt in returning emails. This is a blind scientific study. The results will likely be published in a scientific journal in late 2014 after it goes through peer review.
Let me know if you are interested.
Shelby.
Capt Quickdraw
01-04-14, 01:10
I am posting this here in the General discussion thread so as not to get Admin2's panties in a bunch. LOL.
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Some guidelines for reviews to make the board a good resource:
1. Post how / where you found her: BP, CL, Wawa, K Street, SWP. What was the location, condition of place, time of day?
2. What does the girl look like? Give a decent description. If it was a BP girl. Were the pictures accurate? A nice touch is to post the pictures, not just the link, because the links / adverts get taken down.
3. Describe the service. Use the alphabet soup: BBBJ, CBJ, daty, dfk, greek, BBFS, cfs, positions (pops?
4. 'Splain what was the fare for her time! (We all know no one here does anything illegal, just pays for ancillary services like companionship, dancing, body rubs) But please tell the fare. Oh, and use actual numbers. No one is fooled by the $ system and often it is confusing. If it is 150 then state that. Have seen guys who paid 50 post $.5 which is improper usage of the system. Just put the real numbers in so it is clear.
5. What was your evaluation of the service, the situation and the experience. Would you repeat?
6. Anything else that happened. Any attempts at scams, rip offs, extras, special services?
Just posting a review that says one found a girl a dated her at some vague place and some vague description of some vague services is of what value to others? I could fill the board with reviews of past encounters of girls no one will ever know, find or date. Be a useful resource to others and karma will smile on you.
I'm just sayin'.
Happy Monger New Year! Stay safe out there!With all due respect, I totally agree with you Cephlapod Love. Information is vital to the working of this forum. However; can we agree to some general assumptions / exceptions for those of us who post information on a regular bases?
1. Can we agree to the assumption that reports and photos posted in a Streetwalker Photos thread, unless otherwise specified, are most likely reports or photos of streetwalkers?
2. Since Kensington Avenue is the main and foremost streetwalker stroll in the Philadelphia area, can we agree to assume that reports on streetwalkers in a streetwalker thread, unless otherwise specified, are reports on girls from Kensington Avenue?
3. And, since very few of us, for whatever reason, are not comfortable with reporting dollars and cents in the open forum; can we agree to the assumption that standard gratitude apply to standard practices?
4. Furthermore; might we also make the general assumption that most if not all, Kensington Avenue streetwalkers offer some form of BJ and FS. Therefore; can we agree that mentioning that the girl offers these options which are in the norm, is redundant and can be implied in the term streetwalker?
5. Lastly; Can we assume that YMMV is the understood rule and not the exception? Hence; good service can be implied and should always be assumed unless the reviewer reports otherwise.
My reasoning is to encourage those of us like myself, who are not as gifted as others in the written word, to participate in the forum without the worry of being continually questioned and criticized for lacking some minor detail.
Capt. Quickdraw.
...Since Kensington Avenue is the main and foremost streetwalker stroll in the Philadelphia area, can we agree to assume that reports on streetwalkers in a streetwalker thread, unless otherwise specified, are reports on girls from Kensington Avenue?...Absolutely not. It is especially important for newer or visiting members who may not know the layout to understand where a girl was spotted. You yourself have reported multiple times on Old York Road, and there's no logic or certainty for first timers here to think your subsequent posts without location will be about Kensington Avenue. And some of us old timers remember when you even posted New Jersey girls here without attribution!
If you say you are not as gifted as others in writing, then use "the K". Newbies will learn what that is real fast.
Stating the general location of a streetwalker pickup is not a "minor detail". You don't need to state a street corner, for obvious reasons, but people reading this forum are driving around all over the city and may not know a poster's history. They reasonably deserve to know which neighborhood a report or photo is from.
ActionMan609
01-05-14, 04:51
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What was your intent with this post?
Have some respect for a brothers decision.
A2
Light Phoenix
01-06-14, 17:17
I am posting this here in the General discussion thread so as not to get Admin2's panties in a bunch.No!!
This is the General Reports thread, not the General Discussion thread. As Jackson says in the FAQs:
The Forum is a compendium of reports, not a chat room. I care about the reports, not the chit-chat..
But not to worry. In his wisdom Jackson set up an opinion section, perfect for that recently banned conversation about pimping. Here's a link to an appropriate thread there:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1705-Prostitution-and-Law-Enforcement
Good luck and happy discussing!
Honestly, I cut more slack in the General threads. In the future please use the "Report Post" function when you have an issue with posts. It's my job to determine if they are appropriate or not. Posts like this tend to create more issues than they solve.
A2
You yourself may be "fake". You have a 2-post reputation here. If you are serious, tell us the name under which you were "a member of this board for years".I said before when I posted I used to go under the name "youknowwho" I posted many times.
Ok I have been seeing this in a lot of posts lately. Anyone know what it means?
{TCS. Ellipses}.
Ok I have been seeing this in a lot of posts lately. Anyone know what it means?
{TCS. Ellipses}.TCS.. Throbbing Cock Syndrome.
Ellipsis. . ... LOL.
Ellipsis also can mean a-hole.
All credits to urban dictionary.
Periodically I am asked to share contact information with forum members. When asked, if possible, I will assist two parties that wish to meet each other. Many times this occurs when there is a positive review on a contact that was provided by me. Then everybody would like a piece of the proverbial pie.
Such is the case with a recent review on a UTR I happen to know.
Based upon that review, I was asked if I would assist a fellow monger and connect him with her or any other UTRs I may know that might be able to host. I agreed.
I sent the monger a pic of one of the hottest 22 year olds I know. He said he found her extremely attractive but would be unable to meet her due to the distance from his "travel comfort zone". He is in the area of Delaware County she is in PhiladelphiaCounty. OOOOKKKK...
I spoke with another UTR that said she would be willing to meet the monger. She would have to take a train to 69th Street. He said he had a place in that area. No problem, she was willing to do that. Then the stupidity set in.
The monger expected the above average UTR to travel across the city to him. He asked if she could cut her donation by a third and pay for the room so he could have his dick sucked. Sure. Why not? Now, is this guy serious? When he suggested this I fell on the floor laughing. There are people that think this will actually happen. Why is there so much stupidity in the world? Do they sit at home wondering when Miss Gorgeous will have the time for them? I really think they do. Then they fantasize about getting a Filenes Basement super deal. Look. As far as I know there are no Blue Light Specials.
I understand people work with limited funds. One must keep in mind my contacts do not sit and wait for the next guy to do a "favor" for simply based upon his financial condition.
My UTRs meet people for companionship, massages, etc. For a donation. What happens behind closed doors I have no idea. I do know this. It is crazy for any one of us to think they do anything for nothing or next to nothing. Or expect them to take care of us based upon our looks or simply because we are nice guys is a foolish notion. Not going to happen. At least not with my contacts. Needles to say the meeting never took place.
It would be my suggestion if one can't swim then don't jump into the deep end of the pool. Stay in the shallow end where you are comfortable. Above all don't piss off the lifeguard.
Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.
RepoMan2642
01-30-14, 09:38
Periodically I am asked to share contact information with forum members. When asked, if possible, I will assist two parties that wish to meet each other. Many times this occurs when there is a positive review on a contact that was provided by me. Then everybody would like a piece of the proverbial pie.
Such is the case with a recent review on a UTR I happen to know.
Based upon that review, I was asked if I would assist a fellow monger and connect him with her or any other UTRs I may know that might be able to host. I agreed.
I sent the monger a pic of one of the hottest 22 year olds I know. He said he found her extremely attractive but would be unable to meet her due to the distance from his "travel comfort zone". He is in the area of Delaware County she is in PhiladelphiaCounty. OOOOKKKK...
I spoke with another UTR that said she would be willing to meet the monger. She would have to take a train to 69th Street. He said he had a place in that area. No problem, she was willing to do that. Then the stupidity set in.
The monger expected the above average UTR to travel across the city to him. He asked if she could cut her donation by a third and pay for the room so he could have his dick sucked. Sure. Why not? Now, is this guy serious? When he suggested this I fell on the floor laughing. There are people that think this will actually happen. Why is there so much stupidity in the world? Do they sit at home wondering when Miss Gorgeous will have the time for them? I really think they do. Then they fantasize about getting a Filenes Basement super deal. Look. As far as I know there are no Blue Light Specials.
I understand people work with limited funds. One must keep in mind my contacts do not sit and wait for the next guy to do a "favor" for simply based upon his financial condition.
My UTRs meet people for companionship, massages, etc. For a donation. What happens behind closed doors I have no idea. I do know this. It is crazy for any one of us to think they do anything for nothing or next to nothing. Or expect them to take care of us based upon our looks or simply because we are nice guys is a foolish notion. Not going to happen. At least not with my contacts. Needles to say the meeting never took place.
It would be my suggestion if one can't swim then don't jump into the deep end of the pool. Stay in the shallow end where you are comfortable. Above all don't piss off the lifeguard.
Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.I did a morning stroll Tuesday morning from 7 AM to 9 AM from Torresdale Ave to Cumberland on the K and no one was out, not even the Septa transit cops until one showed up around 830 am near Sommerset, I am just wondering if Gator is referring to UTR girl if its Nikki near Franklin Mills bec she is certainly "above Average".
Just out looking to REPO a beautiful woman but none where out!! They must be very tempermental to the weather and cold temps and the dope dealers must be hurting.
CletusTheYokel
03-08-14, 13:37
To start: a big shout out to those members of the Philly board that responded to this out-of-towners pm's and requests. I appreciate it; special thanks go to the animals of the board: Cephalopodlove and Gator. Some intel worked out, some did not, but that is the way it goes and I'm thankful people are happy to share.
I did meet Selena, thanks to Gator. She is mid to late 20's with nice long black hair, decent body. Nice girl. She came by my place and enjoyable activities ensued. She has very fine oral skills. An earlier report warned to watch her carefully, so I took obvious and moderate precautions and had no trouble at all. A nice girl and I would happily repeat. Gator has her contact.
CK.
Cephlapod Love
03-25-14, 12:25
OK, so a provocative title to attract readers. I know the answer to the question. That said, found a report on the population of HIV / AIDS infection in the City of Philadelphia. Now perhaps I am reading this wrong, but it appears to point to some ways to manage one's risk? Everyone of course has to look them self in the mirror and decide what is an acceptable risk that they want to take. NO ONE should be degraded, belittled or chided for making any choice they so choose, even if you disagree with their choice. But with knowledge is power and one can act as they wish.
This is for information / educational purposes only. Don't flame me. Don't flame others. Read it, go into the report for details if one wishes, learn and decide for yourself.
The report can be found at:
http://www.phila.gov/health/pdfs/2012SurveillanceReportFinal.pdf
Here is what I found interesting.
Total (means men & women) Population of cases through 12.31.13 - 30,000.
64.5% Black.
20.9% White.
12.0% Hispanic.
74.3% Male.
25.6% Female.
Looks like overall 1/4 risk playing with women.
Transmission Risk.
Male to male (M2 M) 34.7%.
Injected drugs (IDU) 30.2%.
M2 M & IDU 3.7%.
...so..... nearly 70% risk with these groups! Avoid M2M players and drug users!
OK, not the greatest numbers but do show the risks of drug users and gay-realted dudes. BUT... Drilling down further.
Persons Living with AIDS, 2012
Black women 31% vs black men.
White women 14% vs white men.
Hispanic women 28% vs Hispanic men.
Of the Whites (men & women) Ages
Aged 0-29 2.5%.
30-39 8.1%.
40-49 29.4%.
50+ 59.6%.
Of Black (men & women) Ages
Aged 0-19 0.7%.
20-29 6.1%.
30-39 12.8%.
40-49 31.9%.
50+ 48%.
Of Hispanic(men & women) Ages
Aged 0-19 0.5%.
20-29 4.7%.
30-39 13.8%.
40-49 33.8%.
50+ 46.9%.
does this suggest that under 30 is the safest age with low risk?
Persons Living with AIDS by Gender and Selected Characteristics, 2012 Of the Women
Black women 72.6%.
White women 9.6%.
Hispanic women 14.6%.
Others combined 3%.
Females...Living with aids.
0-19 1.7%.
20-29 7.7%.
30-39 17.1%.
40-49 36%.
50+ 37%.
So this appears to suggest that younger is less risk? What happens to the risk if one combines age and ethnicity? For example 20-29 aged Hispanic women? Is it 14.6% X 7.7% = 1.1%
Appears to be born out if one looks at the prevalence rates in another table near the end it summarizes this data.
Overall Population has a prevalence rate of 1.3% or 1,299 per 100,000
Whites overall (men & women) 0.68%.
Black overall (men & women) 1.9%.
Hispanic overall (men & women) 1.5%.
White women 0.21%.
Black women 1.1%.
Hispanic Women 0.85%.
Yousa! Looks like the risk of HIV from young women in Philadelphia is quite low. Use of drugs increases risk and other factors may be in play too.
Stay safe out there!
OK, so a provocative title to attract readers. I know the answer to the question. That said, found a report on the population of HIV / AIDS infection in the City of Philadelphia. Now perhaps I am reading this wrong, but it appears to point to some ways to manage one's risk? Everyone of course has to look them self in the mirror and decide what is an acceptable risk that they want to take. NO ONE should be degraded, belittled or chided for making any choice they so choose, even if you disagree with their choice. But with knowledge is power and one can act as they wish....Yousa! Looks like the risk of HIV from young women in Philadelphia is quite low. Use of drugs increases risk and other factors may be in play too. Stay safe out there!Recently with a repeat date who I thought would know better, she forgot about the condom and I ended up inadvertently having BBFS. Granted, a male--especially a circumcised one with unbroken skin--is at very low risk for contracting HIV from a female. My concern afterwards was for herpes, not HIV. I, for one, will still insist on a condom and look askance at a provider who does not do the same.
David Roberts
06-03-14, 17:17
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EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited to remove homosexual references in the text. Please do not post homosexual references in the Forum. Thanks!
Sorry, you're not allowed to post looking for guys with big dicks to hit you in the ass. We don't judge, it's just not what we do.
A2
I am new to this site. The is my first post. Like a lot of others, I am currently looking for a new home. MSN kicked us all out. I conceder myself a equal opportunity Ho Hunter. I will post, and have no problem giving reviews, I have a digital camera and will post pictures.
Just have a few questions before I get started. I have read as many prior post as I can stand for tonight. No dougt that some of these questions have been put out there before. I'd appreciate any help given.
I know the Huntingdon Park and Board Street scrolls. I know the Nicetown & Germantown areas. From reading a couple of post here, I have learned of the West Philly areas around UPenn and the South Philly area near Packer. Are there any other good Hunting area? Did anyone every put together a list of locations in the Philadelphia? (I like them thin, BSW or WSW. $ 5 sounds about right, pictures included when I can. ) What about Camden? Are there any benifits to crossing the Delaware? What about after hours strip clubs? I have never been to one. Thought I give it a try. Can anyone recommend a safe one? Oh! One other thing. I like to go out during the day. What are the best areas for day time searches?
I have hunted in the K Ave areas. I have been planning a trip down that way. I've just been lucky hunting in my regular gaming grounds. With the information and hints I got to date from this site, I feel a bit more comfortable. Maybe I'll make a day trip tomorrow.
David Roberts. Elaborate on this "MSN kicked us out" thing. Presuming its safe to do so being that "y'all got kicked out". A while back I frequented a yahoo groups thing that once upon a time did a good job in keeping up to date and staying in touch with the philly underground strip club scene but has now seemingly gone defunct and spam riddled the last I looked. Is it somewhat like that. I've never heard of a 'community' at MSN. Hell. Never even knew MSN hosted such a service.
Elaborate on this "MSN kicked us out" thing. Presuming its safe to do so being that "y'all got kicked out". A while back I frequented a yahoo groups thing that once upon a time did a good job in keeping up to date and staying in touch with the philly underground strip club scene but has now seemingly gone defunct and spam riddled the last I looked. Is it somewhat like that. I've never heard of a 'community' at MSN. Hell. Never even knew MSN hosted such a service.Sorry Iorek, you got caught up in someone's attempt at being funny. This is someone's attempt at being clever by reposting my first USASG post under a different user name.
We were not actually thrown out. MSN closed down their forum many years ago.
CookyJar.
Sorry Iorek, you got caught up in someone's attempt at being funny. This is someone's attempt at being clever by reposting my first USASG post under a different user name.
We were not actually thrown out. MSN closed down their forum many years ago.
CookyJar.Thanks for the heads up CJ! I thought something might be fishy here as by the time I composed and posted my reply, the original message was removed by admin.
Curiousjoe
06-09-14, 21:14
This was posted on the Del. Forum. Be careful.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7280-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=2117372#post2117372.
Cephlapod Love
06-10-14, 09:26
This was posted on the Del. Forum. Be careful.
See post #89
Vbgent4u2c
06-17-14, 11:37
Please delete some messages.
Thanks!
I'm curious, is that video store with the booths still about? It was a great warm night last night so I took a casual drive about in the wee hours just to look about. I now own a very tiny car so I was just curiously scouting, not shopping if you know what I mean and vetured under the EL and didn't notice that video store that I recall from a few years back. Sorry, it's actually been quite some time, as I was cruising down the ave I didn't notice it at all. Is it gone?
I'm prolly going to start working a later shift soon and am trying to get some ideas about daytime excursions I might be able to have now and then. With the gentrification and construction boom in the city, a bunch of those book stores with booths and girls seem to have disappeared. Is there nothing about like that these days away from center city?
I'm trying to find something lite, easy, fun, casual but dirty I can do on the streets now that the warm summer days are here. It's been years since I've actually walked a city street during the daytime. Any daytime bar / club to go sip a lite brew and get a stinky finger?
Damn. I'm really bored today.
Please delete some messages.
Thanks!Thank you done.
Heads up. Big sting against the Mongers Monday around Cumberland.
Saw them pull 2 guy out a cars and the other a the guy was walking. All busted and that is what I saw.
When I saw her talking to him through the window I was like. This can't be good. 10 seconds later he is surrounded.
Think with the real head guys.
Hasn't made the paper but it will shortly.
Cephlapod Love
06-18-14, 11:41
When I saw her talking to him through the window I was like. This can't be good. 10 seconds later he is surrounded.
Thanks for the heads up! Hey, what did the girl (decoy) look like?
Thanks for the heads up! Hey, what did the girl (decoy) look like?Blonde and hot -- walked from letterly to Cumberland. Pink top --shorts, considered it but I'm just tooooooo cautious. (happy married) 2nd was brunette grey skirt and shirt. Guy walked up to her (Carrying his dry cleaning) next thing surrounded by the same cops. Guess he said the wrong thing.
All the standard girls were gone -guess they told them to scoot or go downtown.
Paper said they did this last Thursday too. Something tells me I saw the same girls then too. Just something was wrong. I don't like that section of the stroll sooo I generally pass.
Here is the post for Monday.
http://6abc.com/news/photos-philly-police-nab-8-in-prostitution-sting/119204/#gallery-1.
Be safe.
Think with the right head.
Remember cops don't get in.
Milo.
NvrStlPhilly
06-18-14, 20:34
Blonde and hot -- walked from letterly to Cumberland. Pink top --shorts, considered it but I'm just tooooooo cautious. (happy married) 2nd was brunette grey skirt and shirt. Guy walked up to her (Carrying his dry cleaning) next thing surrounded by the same cops. Guess he said the wrong thing.
All the standard girls were gone -guess they told them to scoot or go downtown.
Paper said they did this last Thursday too. Something tells me I saw the same girls then too. Just something was wrong. I don't like that section of the stroll sooo I generally pass.
Here is the post for Monday.
http://6abc.com/news/photos-philly-police-nab-8-in-prostitution-sting/119204/#gallery-1.
Be safe.
Think with the right head.
Remember cops don't get in.
Milo.Sucker born every minute. My friend who knives right there stated girl was too clean and cop car was parked right under el. He waived to her and said I see you are with friend (cop car). She laughed. Stick with a regular and never ever go with first new girls on the block.
Blonde and hot -- walked from letterly to Cumberland. Pink top --shorts, considered it but I'm just tooooooo cautious. (happy married) 2nd was brunette grey skirt and shirt. Guy walked up to her (Carrying his dry cleaning) next thing surrounded by the same cops. Guess he said the wrong thing.
All the standard girls were gone -guess they told them to scoot or go downtown.
Paper said they did this last Thursday too. Something tells me I saw the same girls then too. Just something was wrong. I don't like that section of the stroll sooo I generally pass.
Here is the post for Monday.
http://6abc.com/news/photos-philly-police-nab-8-in-prostitution-sting/119204/#gallery-1.
Be safe.
Think with the right head.
Remember cops don't get in.
Milo.If anyone knows, it would be nice to know what the decoy says to get the monger to incriminate himself.
Usually a real street worker will walk up to the passenger side and look in, at which time I indicate for her to get-in. If she doesn't reach down and open the door, I drive away.
I am wondering if the mere act of motioning or verbally asking the decoy to get-in be enough to incriminate you? The law might assume that picking up strangers in an area known for prostitution an act of solicitation. I would think that keeping your mouth shut and not incriminating yourself would be the way to go. Your lawyer might be able to argue why you were in the area offering strangers a ride. But! Once you have admitted to committing a crime you are at the mercy of the system.
Drive around the area once or twice and check things out. When making the pick-up, pull over into a legal stopping area. Don't pick-up girls who won't get in your car. Don't proposition girls until you've gotten out of the pick-up area. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true. When in doubt, leave it alone. Think, with the big head, before you act.
I've seen guys do you-turns, block traffic or perform some other stupid act just to pick-up a girl. They are probably afraid that she'll get away. Don't worry, if you miss her the first time, you'll get her or someone else the next time.
CookyJar.
Syberman2006
06-19-14, 12:45
If anyone knows, it would be nice to know what the decoy says to get the monger to incriminate himself.
Usually a real street worker will walk up to the passenger side and look in, at which time I indicate for her to get-in. If she doesn't reach down and open the door, I drive away.
I am wondering if the mere act of motioning or verbally asking the decoy to get-in be enough to incriminate you? The law might assume that picking up strangers in an area known for prostitution an act of solicitation. I would think that keeping your mouth shut and not incriminating yourself would be the way to go. Your lawyer might be able to argue why you were in the area offering strangers a ride. But! Once you have admitted to committing a crime you are at the mercy of the system.
Drive around the area once or twice and check things out. When making the pick-up, pull over into a legal stopping area. Don't pick-up girls who won't get in your car. Don't proposition girls until you've gotten out of the pick-up area. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true. When in doubt, leave it alone. Think, with the big head, before you act.
I've seen guys do you-turns, block traffic or perform some other stupid act just to pick-up a girl. They are probably afraid that she'll get away. Don't worry, if you miss her the first time, you'll get her or someone else the next time.
CookyJar.I have a legal degree and agree with you err on the side of caution, if she doesn't jump in move on.
If anyone knows, it would be nice to know what the decoy says to get the monger to incriminate himself.
Usually a real street worker will walk up to the passenger side and look in, at which time I indicate for her to get-in. If she doesn't reach down and open the door, I drive away.
I am wondering if the mere act of motioning or verbally asking the decoy to get-in be enough to incriminate you? The law might assume that picking up strangers in an area known for prostitution an act of solicitation. I would think that keeping your mouth shut and not incriminating yourself would be the way to go. Your lawyer might be able to argue why you were in the area offering strangers a ride. But! Once you have admitted to committing a crime you are at the mercy of the system.
Drive around the area once or twice and check things out. When making the pick-up, pull over into a legal stopping area. Don't pick-up girls who won't get in your car. Don't proposition girls until you've gotten out of the pick-up area. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true. When in doubt, leave it alone. Think, with the big head, before you act.
I've seen guys do you-turns, block traffic or perform some other stupid act just to pick-up a girl. They are probably afraid that she'll get away. Don't worry, if you miss her the first time, you'll get her or someone else the next time.
CookyJar.
327648
You won't believe this.
Got a letter today from the Phila Police dept that they saw my vehicle at Cumberland and Kensington ave's. The driver or occupant engaged in a conversation with a 1. Known prostitute or and undercover officer posing as a prostitute.
Unless they are referring to me shanking my head when one crossed the road and waved .. no way did I respond while watching them bust a guy walking down the street --the windows were never open.
First time for that one. Thank god I get the mail.
Wow they are out to kill the stroll.
Bigtime Monger
06-19-14, 18:10
327648
You won't believe this.
Got a letter today from the Phila Police dept that they saw my vehicle at Cumberland and Kensington ave's. The driver or occupant engaged in a conversation with a 1. Known prostitute or and undercover officer posing as a prostitute.
Unless they are referring to me shanking my head when one crossed the road and waved .. no way did I respond while watching them bust a guy walking down the street --the windows were never open.
First time for that one. Thank god I get the mail.
Wow they are out to kill the stroll.Thanks, Milo. That was an informative and helpful post. Especially appreciated your including a copy of the letter.
This is fucking bullshit already. Either arrest me for solicitation or fuck off. Ludicrous to spend taxpayers money, etc to send letters to an individuals home, without proper cause or proof that the vehicle in question was indeed there. Did they snap a photo of your plate? What if an error was made by the fat cop who was sitting there with a 2 doughnuts shoved in his mouth, while jotting down your plate number? No recourse on our part, certainly. The cop was probably sitting there waiting for an opportune time to solicit the girl himself, while e shootings and rapes were going on just around the corner. Cowards, I say!
However, I am concerned about the ever increasing "eye in the sky" cameras in Camden. Big brother now has the ability to monitor the license plates of all vehicles driving up and down Broadway. If you pass too many times in a certain time frame, they snap a photo and presto you get a letter with a photo of your vehicle, license plate, and possibly even your face! Just a thought. Anyone see that special a week or two ago regarding these cameras in Camden and their ability to zoom in amazing close? You can't even drive thru an intersection, especially in Jersey, without seeing cameras pointed in every direction. Each day more and more are going up. But relax, it's all for our safety. Sadly we are living in a Communistic country and don't even notice it yet. I feel sad for the next generation. When the drones will come into major play giving Brother to watch us from every angle feasible. Please tell me it's just the Blue Dream or Cherry Kush that's making me overly paranoid, but I don't think so. Doc.
327648
You won't believe this.
Got a letter today from the Phila Police dept that they saw my vehicle at Cumberland and Kensington ave's. The driver or occupant engaged in a conversation with a 1. Known prostitute or and undercover officer posing as a prostitute.
Unless they are referring to me shanking my head when one crossed the road and waved .. no way did I respond while watching them bust a guy walking down the street --the windows were never open.
First time for that one. Thank god I get the mail.
Wow they are out to kill the stroll.Thanks Milo96, I agree, yours is very informative post.
I believe you have given the answer to my question. You can be stopped and questioned for just talking to a decoy. Even if you don't proposition her, you can be stopped and questioned. Even without incriminating yourself, you can be stopped, questioned and asked why you are in the area.
The letter is a bullshit, scare tactic. IMHO, the letter is designed to accuse you of a crime (or something), without actually accusing you. Notice that nowhere in the letter does it say you committed a criminal act. You weren't even sent a ticket (like the ones given for going through a red light). There is a stigmatism attacked to the act of prostitution that most males (and females) try to avoid. They are depending on the fact that, unlike my hero Charlie Harper, most men, for whatever reason, don't want it known that they visit prostitutes.
I hate using a sitcom character to prove a point. But! If the vast majority of the viewing public thought using the services of a prostitute was so wrong; how do they account for the popularity of the sitcom character, "Charlie Harper," who promoted prostitutes in practically every episode?
Any citizen with half a brain knows that the act of prostitution, between two consenting adult is victimless. Stealing, that's a crime. Drug dealing, that's a crime. Rape is a crime. Young girls caught up in drugs not getting the help they need is a crime. A legal system blaming me for society's ills is a crime.
Sorry for the rant.
CookyJar.
This is fucking bullshit already. Either arrest me for solicitation or fuck off. Ludicrous to spend taxpayers money, etc to send letters to an individuals home, without proper cause or proof that the vehicle in question was indeed there. Did they snap a photo of your plate? What if an error was made by the fat cop who was sitting there with a 2 doughnuts shoved in his mouth, while jotting down your plate number? No recourse on our part, certainly. The cop was probably sitting there waiting for an opportune time to solicit the girl himself, while e shootings and rapes were going on just around the corner. Cowards, I say!
...You do have recourse. Get a lawyer.
IMHO – They took a picture. That would be easy enough and the mostly likely thing.
And what we are doing is exactly what they want. They want the word about the letter, stings and what they are doing spread around. It's a scare tactic and we are a scary bunch. Few guys want something like this getting back to their wife, family or church group.
They know they have very little to fear from us. Until the ACLU gets involved or some organization takes action, chances are they'll get away with it.
Milo, be forewarned – they have your tag number and may stop you. Because it is a high crime area they could stop you just for questioning. I'm just saying. Stay safe.
CookyJar.
Many thanks for sharing the letter, Milo. I have a different take on what is odd about this. I have read about "Dear John" letters as a police tactic elsewhere. I have not been able to find any previous information about Philadelphia PD using it. Putting out derogatory information about someone who has not been convicted of anything is always a dubious, "slippery slope" activity for police. If someone is charged with something and bad stuff is publicized, at least there can be redress when the case is beaten and the questions of false arrest or police misbehavior can be taken up. Here, Milo has received an unsigned letter--to all intents and purposes an anonymous denunciation. There is no transparency as to who makes the accusation. Lt. Wood's name is dropped, but by no means does it hold out to be his responsibility. I suspect the letter is the individual work of some zealous officer not following policy and a bit off the reservation. If so, he or she is now busted.
Several years ago, I experienced some zany, Barney Fife behavior from a Septa Transit police officer. When I encountered him again, I got the impression that his brass was not amused by what was written about him on this board. I wish that more use would be made of this board, for police brass, the press and the public to have another source of information as to how police on the street are behaving.
327648
You won't believe this.
Got a letter today from the Phila Police dept that they saw my vehicle at Cumberland and Kensington ave's. The driver or occupant engaged in a conversation with a 1. Known prostitute or and undercover officer posing as a prostitute.
Unless they are referring to me shanking my head when one crossed the road and waved .. no way did I respond while watching them bust a guy walking down the street --the windows were never open.
First time for that one. Thank god I get the mail.
Wow they are out to kill the stroll.
Bigtime Monger
06-25-14, 20:24
I'm curious, is that video store with the booths still about? It was a great warm night last night so I took a casual drive about in the wee hours just to look about. I now own a very tiny car so I was just curiously scouting, not shopping if you know what I mean and vetured under the EL and didn't notice that video store that I recall from a few years back. Sorry, it's actually been quite some time, as I was cruising down the ave I didn't notice it at all. Is it gone?
I'm prolly going to start working a later shift soon and am trying to get some ideas about daytime excursions I might be able to have now and then. With the gentrification and construction boom in the city, a bunch of those book stores with booths and girls seem to have disappeared. Is there nothing about like that these days away from center city?
I'm trying to find something lite, easy, fun, casual but dirty I can do on the streets now that the warm summer days are here. It's been years since I've actually walked a city street during the daytime. Any daytime bar / club to go sip a lite brew and get a stinky finger?
Damn. I'm really bored today.Well, if you mean the adult book store on the K at Hart Lane, then yes, it's still there. They were closed a few years back for L&I citations but reopened. At the time I asked if they were still allowing girls in with guys for, you know, two in a booth, but the proprietor said they were going to wait until things blew over. I don't know if things ever blew over. Back in the day they also had a grungy couch in the back room on the first floor for, you know, two on a couch.
Iorek, you've been around a long time, and I congratulate you for your many posts and great spirit. However, I did once kid you about your timidity and urged you to get out there on the rough streets on the K and just do it! I guess I'll tweak you one more time, in good spirit, to get out there, pick up a girl, take her to the book store, and get a massive VBBJ (video booth blow job)!
While we're on the subject, Iorek, that adult store is just one block north of Somerset. The cops now monitor that former top-ten drug corner 24-7. Curiously, they seem also to have someone most all of the time up there across from the bookstore, where the druggies didn't usually hang out. So be careful when you go for your VBBJ. It's funny: the spaced-out druggies who used to own Somerset & the K have gone exactly ONE block west of the Avenue, and stagger about there as though nothing's changed. Whack-a-mole.
Well, if you mean the adult book store on the K at Hart Lane, then yes, it's still there. They were closed a few years back for L&I citations but reopened. At the time I asked if they were still allowing girls in with guys for, you know, two in a booth, but the proprietor said they were going to wait until things blew over. I don't know if things ever blew over. Back in the day they also had a grungy couch in the back room on the first floor for, you know, two on a couch.
Iorek, you've been around a long time, and I congratulate you for your many posts and great spirit. However, I did once kid you about your timidity and urged you to get out there on the rough streets on the K and just do it! I guess I'll tweak you one more time, in good spirit, to get out there, pick up a girl, take her to the book store, and get a massive VBBJ (video booth blow job)!
While we're on the subject, Iorek, that adult store is just one block north of Somerset. The cops now monitor that former top-ten drug corner 24-7. Curiously, they seem also to have someone most all of the time up there across from the bookstore, where the druggies didn't usually hang out. So be careful when you go for your VBBJ. It's funny: the spaced-out druggies who used to own Somerset & the K have gone exactly ONE block west of the Avenue, and stagger about there as though nothing's changed. Whack-a-mole.LOL. Yea I remember that time 'Bigtime. '. LOL. I did jump into the fray back then, had a few good times with corrine but I dunno, she was cool but disappereared soon after then the few others I got made me really dislike car dates, it comes partnered with clockwatching, complaining ("are you going to finish soon?" I HATE THAT! One too many 'stinky clams' that freaked my senses, hunting for a spot, constant scanning for LE and / or setups once I had a soul-crushing night when I took a gamble and told one chick to get in quick. After which I swore I might've picked up a tranny. Those hands were too fuckin big (LOL), after the 'lady' sat in the car I hastily made an excuse that I thought 'she' was my homegirl and I didn't realize. I hit a time period where I was experiencing too many strikeouts on the ave. I would diligently cruise on from Hunting Park all the way down the length to the gentrified edge of Front near Master. Consider I don't live in the city so every trip takes a bit of time. I also found contentment in the various underground spots that philly used to have (all gone now), they were great and I found it just the easier route and to be honest, it better fit my vibe as it felt more like an adulterous party scene which as it turns out is what I was mainly lookng for.
There was a time when I was thinking I had to be the only loser on earth that couldn't pick up a hooker from the street. Remember those few years back when some of the girls were Russian or was it Polish, those bitches REFUSED to cater to me, would be standing at the corner at venango, glenwood and kensington and when I tried to make eye contact and invite, they would turn around or walk off. Howdafuq or better yet. Whythafuq is a hooker getting picky about johns in f'kin kensington? Can't say I'm one that lives for the chase, I'm an admitted lazy bastid that still claims this is just light-hearted fun yet wants what I want and want it easy. I can't lie. I apparently don't take rejection well either. Quickly started asking myself what am I wasting time and gas for and how come its easier for me to get a square chick than a street chick. I got to admit that I didn't stick with it long enough to where I established a vibe with the local talent on the scene. Maybe there is some timidity also, I can't deny it, I don't see myself as a natural to that particular scene so wonder if my mishaps was perhaps me inadvertently shooting myself in the foot.
It's summer, I love this crazy hot weather, especially the night when it's warm and things seem to be alive late into the night. I get stir crazy and want to have some fun so I will check things out again. Which is why I was more thinking about a spot I can stretch out some, get a drink maybe, hang for a spell and have some unrushed fun. Those vice stings also give me concerns. If the cops are staking out that location it doesn't seem sensible to try anything, but I suspect a generic visit shouldn't harm anything. I do need to reaquiant mysellf with the scene and it's players.
Bigtime, you had me chuckling about my greenhornin' beginnings here. Those otherwise were fun times and also a time period where there was lots going on to partake of in this town.
RepoMan2642
07-04-14, 01:49
LOL. Yea I remember that time 'Bigtime. '. LOL. I did jump into the fray back then, had a few good times with corrine but I dunno, she was cool but disappereared soon after then the few others I got made me really dislike car dates, it comes partnered with clockwatching, complaining ("are you going to finish soon?" I HATE THAT! One too many 'stinky clams' that freaked my senses, hunting for a spot, constant scanning for LE and / or setups once I had a soul-crushing night when I took a gamble and told one chick to get in quick. After which I swore I might've picked up a tranny. Those hands were too fuckin big (LOL), after the 'lady' sat in the car I hastily made an excuse that I thought 'she' was my homegirl and I didn't realize. I hit a time period where I was experiencing too many strikeouts on the ave. I would diligently cruise on from Hunting Park all the way down the length to the gentrified edge of Front near Master. Consider I don't live in the city so every trip takes a bit of time. I also found contentment in the various underground spots that philly used to have (all gone now), they were great and I found it just the easier route and to be honest, it better fit my vibe as it felt more like an adulterous party scene which as it turns out is what I was mainly lookng for.
There was a time when I was thinking I had to be the only loser on earth that couldn't pick up a hooker from the street. Remember those few years back when some of the girls were Russian or was it Polish, those bitches REFUSED to cater to me, would be standing at the corner at venango, glenwood and kensington and when I tried to make eye contact and invite, they would turn around or walk off. Howdafuq or better yet. Whythafuq is a hooker getting picky about johns in f'kin kensington? Can't say I'm one that lives for the chase, I'm an admitted lazy bastid that still claims this is just light-hearted fun yet wants what I want and want it easy. I can't lie. I apparently don't take rejection well either. Quickly started asking myself what am I wasting time and gas for and how come its easier for me to get a square chick than a street chick. I got to admit that I didn't stick with it long enough to where I established a vibe with the local talent on the scene. Maybe there is some timidity also, I can't deny it, I don't see myself as a natural to that particular scene so wonder if my mishaps was perhaps me inadvertently shooting myself in the foot.
It's summer, I love this crazy hot weather, especially the night when it's warm and things seem to be alive late into the night. I get stir crazy and want to have some fun so I will check things out again. Which is why I was more thinking about a spot I can stretch out some, get a drink maybe, hang for a spell and have some unrushed fun. Those vice stings also give me concerns. If the cops are staking out that location it doesn't seem sensible to try anything, but I suspect a generic visit shouldn't harm anything. I do need to reaquiant mysellf with the scene and it's players.
Bigtime, you had me chuckling about my greenhornin' beginnings here. Those otherwise were fun times and also a time period where there was lots going on to partake of in this town.What ever happened to Corrine and Kat with the Russian accent and tats?
Philly Guy
07-04-14, 12:23
What ever happened to Corrine and Kat with the Russian accent and tats?Kat almost got deported back to Ukraine but lucked out at the last minute. She has gone to rehab and.
Is doing well.
Corrine is MIA.
This morning, my McAfee computer security scan indicated this site to be a security threat, and offered to "fix" it. A bit of research indicated that Norton and AVG rate the site safe, and that McAfee is conspicuously vague as to what threat they think it poses. It is fair enough for family filtering software to block this site. Also, any bulletin board can have links that lead into danger if followed--particularly ones having to do with enticing videos. I suspect that someone at McAfee is a would-be censor.
Forth Ryte
11-16-14, 18:41
Am I the only one who has noticed? A few months back I posted about how the SWs had seemed to be congregating toward the south end and sometimes the far north end of the K stroll. No one commented. No interest? I'm not the most frequent visitor to the K but every couple of months I do get to drive the area and did again today. Once again I found one particular side street toward the south end to be very busy. If fact that's the only place I've found anyone worth stopping for on my last 2-3 visits. Feel free to add your comments and observations but, since there was no public discussion last time I raised it, I'll save the details of the where to PMs from senior members.
Forth Ryte.
Am I the only one who has noticed? A few months back I posted about how the SWs had seemed to be congregating toward the south end and sometimes the far north end of the K stroll. No one commented. No interest? I'm not the most frequent visitor to the K but every couple of months I do get to drive the area and did again today. Once again I found one particular side street toward the south end to be very busy. If fact that's the only place I've found anyone worth stopping for on my last 2-3 visits. Feel free to add your comments and observations but, since there was no public discussion last time I raised it, I'll save the details of the where to PMs from senior members.
Forth Ryte.You will find the regular girls who live in the area down at the south end all in the same area. I have found two recently during daylight in the middle of the stroll from out of the area. They are more under the radar girls and tend to blend in while they are walking. Don't really look like the typical SW and they didn't make themselves too obvious. The one tells me that she is done walking the streets and doing dates. I guess I am in her small circle of regulars now. The other who I only met this Thursday did call over the weekend but I was busy. But she also has a small circle of regulars. Rarely will walk the avenue. Neither of them are dependent on the and show no signs of the wear and tear of the street life. Just pretty girls that like to make easy money rather than work for $8 an hour.
ScottBicycle
11-19-14, 20:30
Hey Philly,
Ashley Monroe is headed your way. I have seen Ashley in her hometown of Columbus. She is off the charts!! Her pics are spot-on and her talents are even better!!
Please take good care of her guys!!
Dazed Diplomat
11-19-14, 20:52
Guys, I am mainly in the DC area and hit the AMPs once in a while. I have just a few posts but I do enjoy the group orgy thing. I figure if you are about this kind of action, you should be able to whip it out and work it whenever and where ever if feamles want that kind of service. Anyway, in DC there use to be a hot club when you showed up and had fun with a group of feamles and "gentlemen" would come in and out. It was great on Sundays to watch the Redskins and Eagles play. Unfortunately, the dudes who ran this were pimps! Go figure!! Anyway, I was wondering if the Philly area had anything like this at all going on? Any harder edged swinger action? Just looking to take it up a knotch for some communal fun. I will be in the area and will try and post on visiting some of the AMPs but that is SO BORING really. The predictable table shower, to CBJ, to hand release is pleasant but there is so much more out there. Just trying to find out how evolved the Philly scene is. Someone let me know. Dazed. P.S. I read the forum for a while but I could not find this subject matter. Any multiple partner action for fun out there?
Cephlapod Love
11-20-14, 10:54
Guys, I am mainly in the DC area and hit the AMPs once in a while. I have just a few posts but I do enjoy the group orgy thing. I figure if you are about this kind of action, you should be able to whip it out and work it whenever and where ever if feamles want that kind of service. Anyway, in DC there use to be a hot club when you showed up and had fun with a group of feamles and "gentlemen" would come in and out. It was great on Sundays to watch the Redskins and Eagles play. Unfortunately, the dudes who ran this were pimps! Go figure!! Anyway, I was wondering if the Philly area had anything like this at all going on? Any harder edged swinger action? Just looking to take it up a knotch for some communal fun. I will be in the area and will try and post on visiting some of the AMPs but that is SO BORING really. The predictable table shower, to CBJ, to hand release is pleasant but there is so much more out there. Just trying to find out how evolved the Philly scene is. Someone let me know. Dazed. P.S. I read the forum for a while but I could not find this subject matter. Any multiple partner action for fun out there?Eh, what your looking for MIGHT be found in a swing club on the right evening. Try:
The Private Affair in Port Deposit, MD.
The Pleasure Garden, Philly.
Ought to be a bunch down your way in the DC-VA area, but my experience there is thin so my memory no so good.
Cephlapod Love
05-11-15, 12:22
OK, so I looked on Urban Dictionary and no joy! I keep seeing this phrase in various posts and adverts.
Who can tell me what "year oldu" means?
Can anyone point me towards a a strip club that's sex party? Something similar to club passions before they closed.
I'll be in town next week and am hoping for some tips to make the nights interesting.
Anyone have pictures of Kate? The brunette who used to hang at the Dunkin Donuts a few years back? I'm not asking for nude photos (unless ya got them) but I just want to remember her. She was great.
Vbgent4u2c
06-04-15, 12:42
Please clear some PM's please.
Thanks!
ProMonger1998
07-13-15, 13:14
Where do they make the best Cheese Steak? No cheese wiz.
Where do they make the best Cheese Steak? No cheese wiz.Ok my friend I'm about to start a war here. Cheese Steak and which is best. First there is Genos Steaks. You can find that place at Passyunk and S. 9th St. Then right across the street is Pats Steaks. Both these places have very good Sandwiches. Whenever I take the Stroll girls for a Cheese Steak and I'm going to South Philly I might find myself there. Then if you head a little toward Center City You can always find Jims Steaks. That place is located at 4th and South Street.
I only take the better than average girls to Jims. There are a number of Jims around but I think South Street is the better of all of them.
Now if you should find yourself in the Stroll you can always stop at the K and Lehigh. Always a lovely lady or two there. I had one of those Cheese Steaks once and personally did not care for it. But there are those that swear by that place. Continue on The K toward Huntingdon and there is a place called Fiore's. He has a very decent Cheese Steak for the price. On your way there keep your eyes open you may spot a few of the lovely ladies. They tend to get pizza and sandwiches there.
That in itself is a few of the more popular places to get a Cheese Steak. Now it has been my experience in my short life if you ask ten different people you will get ten different answers to just who has the best Cheese Steaks. Now blowjobs and full service I might be able to narrow it down a bit. Cheese Steaks is a bit tough.
As to the wiz, that sir is a choice that you request upon ordering. One last bit of unasked for advice. Should you notice anything that remotely resembles any color cheese dripping from the hotties crotch you might have just met, be sure and drop her off as quickly as you are able. Happy hunting for Cheese Steaks and playmates. Me I'm just an 'OL Gator.
I had more girls behind the One Pound Cheesesteaks place than I ever had cheesesteaks LOL. They're ok, but their bread could be better.
My favorite place was south on Lehigh off of Aramingo. 'Fresh Works'. Fresh Works makes excellent cheesesteaks & hoagies that are both better and cheaper than Slacks. Fresh Works also makes their own bread, which makes a big difference IMO.
Pats and Genos are both excellent, but a bit of a drive from the ave.
Where do they make the best Cheese Steak? No cheese wiz.The best cheese steak does not exist. It's like asking what's the best beer. Go to the Yelp website and type in cheese steak and then type in the city Philadelphia. Read a bunch of reviews to see which place gets most raves.
That being said, most people in Philly pretty much eat the cheese steak that is close by and are not really interested in the cheese steak culture nor are they interested in comparing to see what the best is. It's typically the tourists that ask this question. Also, most serious food lovers in Philly are not even fans of the cheese steak. Sure they may just eat a few casually.
I've tried all the famous places but I have to admit that a good cheese steak can be found by accident at a non famous joint that has no reviews. That being said, the cheese steak is an over rated sandwich but if a tourist eats one like once a year, I can see how it can be enjoyable.
Bigdaddy62
07-14-15, 09:57
This place is a hole in the wall but they have great bread which is paramount to a great sandwich. They are on Snyder and the RR tracks in S. Philly behind the Lowes, plenty of parking and fast.
Where do they make the best Cheese Steak? No cheese wiz..
I agree with Big Daddy: John's Roast Pork shack serves an excellent cheese steak. In fact a few years back a food writer in the Inquirer awarded John's the #1 spot in his survey of Philadelphia cheesesteaks. They were mobbed after that. They now even stay open till 7:00 PM to accomodate the early dinner crowd. I had their signature roast pork sandwich with onions last week and it was great. They have a nicely spiced sauce they cook it in and it comes out juicy and delicious.
P.S. You go there for the food, not the decor!
Anyone have pictures of Kate? The brunette who used to hang at the Dunkin Donuts a few years back? I'm not asking for nude photos (unless ya got them) but I just want to remember her. She was great.Here's a couple from a DukePV post in 2006.
I agree with Big Daddy: John's Roast Pork shack serves an excellent cheese steak. In fact a few years back a food writer in the Inquirer awarded John's the #1 spot in his survey of Philadelphia cheesesteaks. They were mobbed after that. They now even stay open till 7:00 PM to accomodate the early dinner crowd. I had their signature roast pork sandwich with onions last week and it was great. They have a nicely spiced sauce they cook it in and it comes out juicy and delicious.
P.S. You go there for the food, not the decor!Thanks man, I've been wondering where to get a good steak, other than Jims on south street. Normally I only eat the chop bbq when I go to henderson, nc though. Might try that too.
A.
I am trying to convince a married lady to have some daytime fun and she lives near the airport, could any of you fine gentleman recommend a short stay motel nearby where we can get a room for a couple hours? Thank you very much!!
I am trying to convince a married lady to have some daytime fun and she lives near the airport, could any of you fine gentleman recommend a short stay motel nearby where we can get a room for a couple hours? Thank you very much!!The Raven in media isn't far. $40 for 3 hours.
The Raven in media isn't far. $40 for 3 hours.Thank you very much! , I just learned a lesson about life; you cannot lead the unwilling, I jokingly told this lady I was already looking for a hotel nearby and her answer was " I know some good ones!" .
Thank you very much! , I just learned a lesson about life; you cannot lead the unwilling, I jokingly told this lady I was already looking for a hotel nearby and her answer was " I know some good ones!" .Awesome! Feel free to share if you like the places she recommends!
NvrStlPhilly
08-05-15, 07:57
Thanks man, I've been wondering where to get a good steak, other than Jims on south street. Normally I only eat the chop bbq when I go to henderson, nc though. Might try that too.
A.Near Washington. Seeded sarcone roll when they have it!
NvrStlPhilly
08-05-15, 19:02
The best cheese steak does not exist. It's like asking what's the best beer. Go to the Yelp website and type in cheese steak and then type in the city Philadelphia. Read a bunch of reviews to see which place gets most raves.
That being said, most people in Philly pretty much eat the cheese steak that is close by and are not really interested in the cheese steak culture nor are they interested in comparing to see what the best is. It's typically the tourists that ask this question. Also, most serious food lovers in Philly are not even fans of the cheese steak. Sure they may just eat a few casually.
I've tried all the famous places but I have to admit that a good cheese steak can be found by accident at a non famous joint that has no reviews. That being said, the cheese steak is an over rated sandwich but if a tourist eats one like once a year, I can see how it can be enjoyable.All steaks are same unless you go to some low grade joint!
Hello Philadelphia Mongers!
I am making an extended business trip (2 weeks) to your fair city in the very near future and wanted to see if any one could help me with a referral. I'd like to find someone that I can see on multiple evenings while I'm there (maybe even up for dinner / drinks too), is mature (35+), is skilled in the art of kink (nothing crazy. But a little dirty), knows how to smile / fun personality, and has reasonable expectations. I generally like women of all races and don't mind a few curves (not BBW though). I really appreciate the help and look forward to the experience.
- Fox.
JusAGudTime
09-24-15, 14:03
I'll also be in Philly the first week of Oct. I'll be staying in a hotel downtown like the Radisson Blu or similar. I've been reading thru your forums and from what I can tell it's either AMP or $500/ hr in Philly. I won't be renting a car since I will be within walking distance of my business, thus can't travel to an AMP. I'm not familiar with the area, as this is my first visit.
I'd appreciate it if someone would point in the direction of a good time I could arrange for my time there. Prefer to host due to lack of car and knowledge of area, but am willing to walk nearby as well. I'd be happy to return the favor if ever traveling to NC.
Thanks in advance.
Bigdaddy62
09-25-15, 10:38
Download the uber app. You can get anywhere you need to quickly and relatively cheap. Its been awhile since I saw many girls charging 500 an hour. I am going to pm you a contact to help you on your needs. Have fun.
I'll also be in Philly the first week of Oct. I'll be staying in a hotel downtown like the Radisson Blu or similar. I've been reading thru your forums and from what I can tell it's either AMP or $500/ hr in Philly. I won't be renting a car since I will be within walking distance of my business, thus can't travel to an AMP. I'm not familiar with the area, as this is my first visit.
I'd appreciate it if someone would point in the direction of a good time I could arrange for my time there. Prefer to host due to lack of car and knowledge of area, but am willing to walk nearby as well. I'd be happy to return the favor if ever traveling to NC.
Thanks in advance.
Not sure where to put this, or if it will be well received. Thanks!
I have been mongering since a very young age while living overseas. It's been a life long passion. However, I am challenging myself to call it quits. I am still urged to go hunting every day. I want my career to have meant something though, so, please allow me to pass on what I know.
I have tried almost everything from every continent, 1 k date porn stars, backpage, seeking arrangements, massage parlors, brothels, swinger clubs, strip clubs. I will speak entirely of the scene here in the US.
As in any career, a vet looks back at when he was a rookie, and has some keen realizations.
1) Making Videos.
I was never into making them at fist anyway, and the technology really wasnt there, but I've been into them lately and it's easy with HD cell phone gonzo style recording.
Now I realize, if you come off as considerate, caring, a bit entertaining, and are a repeat customer, then a pro girl will do almost anything for you. Let me emphasize that this takes time to establish, 2-3 sessions minimum usually. Sometimes you can do BBFS + gonzo vid on a first encounter, but it is rare. Also emphasize that this is not most girls, you have to vibe right with them and what not.
So, retrospectively, I wish I made more videos. I got a hard drive full of stuff I've been trying to talk myself into deleting, but it's my trophy case.
My opinion: Videos are fun to make and keep and it's way easier than you would think to get a girl to make porn quality videos with you. Massage girls, streetwalkers, classifieds, doesn't matter. No one talks about videos on this site and I don't know why, I'm assuming you guys think like rookie-me and think the girls won't agree to it.
2) BB FTW!
BB is the way to do it! And to my surprise it's on most girls menu, given your relationship with them and their risk tolerance. Rookie-me thought providers would never do BB, rookie-me never asked for BB, veteran-me knows they all do BB, the only question is with how many guys. Veteran-me always.
Insists upon BBBJ at a minimum.
/ STD talk /.
Looking back on it, I never ever caught any serious STDs. When I first started, I was absolutely terrified of STDs, still mongered just did so anxiously. I Covered everything all the time. I got STD tested bi-weekly. Anxious as all hell at first.
My opinion: If you're going to monger, do it to the max! Just be clean and smart as possible, but enjoy yourself and let go of all anxiety.
Protip: (I'm not a doctor but, seems to have done well for me).
ALWAYS WASH YOURSELF BEFORE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY AFTER. Even if at a strip club, or even if doing a car date, run / drive to the nearest bathroom. I don't care if it's a public restroom I will whip my Johnson out over the sink and wash it down with soap several times, then use the air dryer. It gets you a few looks but guys almost always just run away and don't say jack. It's a personal health and safety thing don't be shy fellas. If it's a hotel thing or wherever I always make it clear to the girl I have to shower before and after or no go.
/ STD talk /.
3) False Love.
Remember any relationships you make will not be real. Don' t let yourself get taken advantage of. It actually took me a long time to realize this. So, save yourself some time and heartache, go into this hobby with no expectations of companionship.
Girls are either working for a pimp. Their real lover, or are doing so for drugs. There is no such thing as a stripper working her way through college.
Addicts may not love themselves, and by extension not be able to love you, that said they are rather genuine for the most part.
Some girls work just for the money. These you want to stay away from the most, purely materialistic and lack a soul.
The exception to this is foreign girls, particularly Asians, In China for example, a rural girl with no education can work a menial job for 10 dollars a day. She can do that or make 1000 a day over here. If I could multiply my income by 100 by doing what they do I would. I find nothing morally egregious with their decision. These days I would say 90%+ of these girls are not doing this against their will, it's their choice.
In my experience relationships I've had with foreign Asian girls and domestic working girl addicts have been the "realest". All of those stories you hear about a massage girl running off and getting married?
Most are true. Is that a good idea? No, horrible, but I can understand these relationships feeling the "realest".
Oh, the other notable yet rare exception are girls that were pimped or abused in some harsh way at a young age, and they really don't know anything different. Most have a drug problem, some don't, and they do the work because they don't know anything else and it pays well compared to their other options. These girls are just messed up in the head though, and while your relationship may be able to develop into something real. Stay away. I gave up on my old captain save a ho job. You rookies out.
There. Don't try and save any girl out there, There are two outcomes:
1) she / you fail and you wasted your time / money / heart.
2) she blossoms and leaves your ass once she gets herself together.
4) Lying / misleading activity of fellow mongers.
At first, I always took reviews and stories to be true. Rookies beware. Some posters are just liars, for no good reason, no bad reason, they just like to makeup stories, they like to create an online persona. I will not name names or give examples.
Other posters exaggerate, a little bit, or a lot. No malicious intent here I believe, just bragging too hard or whatever.
A small percentage of posters are basically advertisers, they get free or discounted service from providers, or don't actually see girls at all and just take a fee / commission for advertising.
I figured all of the above to be true from getting to actually know lots of girls and businesses and cross referencing the posts with what actually goes down. Yes girls can lie too but eventually the truth becomes evident.
Part 2.
Now. Here are concerns I have had and I know other rookies have. I will discuss each scenario at length and advise on how to avoid problems and have a good time.
1) Getting robbed.
This has happened to me numerous times, non-verified escorts (backpage for example), streetwalkers, massage parlor girls.
1st things first. Don't be drunk or high on anything while mongering. You are likely to be a victim of a pick pocket at the very least. Also, girls don't like guys drunk or high, they don't finish quickly and are usually rude or obnoxious, so the service may be bad and they have even more reason to fleece you.
2nd thing, be aware of your possessions the entire time, try to not leave your possessions out of sight, and check on your possessions from time to time before you leave.
3rd thing, never enter any situation with any possession you are not willing to lose. Cell phone? Guess what, you should be using a burner prepaid for this activity anyway, no data on there should be worth.
Worrying about. Wedding ring? Any bling bling? Don't bring it with you. Passport? Don't bring it with you. Wallet? Don't bring it with you. Cards? They are ok as you can submit a claim and get your money back. Cash? ONLY BRING DISPOSABLE INCOME.
Scenario (no weapon involved): Strange dude comes out of no where and walks in on you before / after you gave up money or before / after you're naked and vulnerable.
Common scam, "What are you doing with my wife" / "Hey babe who the * is this guy".
In my opinion, said scammers most likely wouldn't ever get violent, you could probably get out of the situation with your money if you want to fight over it That said, I've always given it up, 1st time it happened I was scared and felt robbed. 2nd time I just laughed at the guy and walked out, stress free.
This happens in hotels or apartments, for me it was equally distributed, I don't feel going to a girls apartment is any more dangerous. Actually those make for some of the best encounters. To avoid this scam I would follow my 3 rules above, to minimize your loses. That said, to totally avoid this, do your research, don't just call up any ad and walk in any door, doing that crap is how these situations happen.
Tineye / google reverse image all the pics you see in an ad. Google the phone number. Another trick I would do is have two or four phone numbers, Using apps (e. G. Talkatone) and the prepaid phone. I would call / text at different times throughout the day to the same girl, I would ask questions that would indicate to me certain things. Examples are "Do you offer bareback", "What are your rates" ,"Do you like to party", "Do you offer 2 girl specials, any specials". If a girl discusses particular acts of service, you have an idea what level she is on. If she clearly states she offers bb services, you know what level she's on, if she likes to party, two girls, etc etc. You can also negotiate rates much easier this way. If the girl has a habit, or in general is desperate, you can tell that if she lowers her price later at night, or on a slow Tuesday night. When you're on the phone listen for dudes in the background, a loud tv (hotel room), a car driving (she has a driver and / or pimp). Long story short, the more research you do, the more suspect you are of each and every girl, the safer every encounter you have will be.
Scenario with weapon: Crazy girl pulls a knife on you:
So this only happened to me with street walkers. Either 1 of 3 things, either she planned it the whole time and isn't really a pro street walker, OR she is a crazy desperate fiend and you didn't realize it quick enough OR she expected something from you which she did not receive, in my case this was my fault in part for being a bit unclear, but you have to remember a lot of these girls aren't that bright, your transaction has to be completely 100% clear up front or else she will get pissed off if her expectations aren't met.
How to avoid this? Street sense, an awareness of what a street walker looks like, sounds like, smells like, and acts like. Be extremely careful of a girl that is obviously tweaking or sick looking, do not pick them up, if you do, and don't realize it until she's in your car and the door closes, then you have two options 1) be extremely aggressive and blunt and tell her to immediately GTFO or 2) immediately make up some excuse, wife texted you, or you mistook the girl for someone else, whatever, give her 5.
Dollars or a few ciggs to get out.
Protip: When doing street dates, bring small change, lots of 5's and 10's, giving a girl 25 for head vs.
20 can sometimes be a big different level of service you receive. Also, I don't smoke, but I bring a pack of Newports with me when street mongering. They always seem to gain me brownie points and cost very little, they are nice gestures to street girls.
The other thing you must do, in order to avoid this scenario, is NEVER take directions from the girl, ESPECIALLY if you don't know the area. She may very well be leading you into a trap. IF you don't know the area, and you end up driving in circles, and she is complaining, you offer to drop her back off or she can keep waiting until you find a spot you deem safe.
Another pro-tip: If you know the area well, park up far away from drug corners. Obvious reason being uncle LEO activity. The other reason is the girl has much less incentive to rip you off or give you bad service if she is far from her dealer. If she knows you're willing to take her back to the track after your date then she already has an incentive to do her job (AND without a "tip". That's a whole other section, but screw tips). This also may be obvious, but NEVER pay the girl before the date is done and you are away from the track, otherwise she may very well just leave and get her drugs without a date.
Scenario with weapon: Guy comes out of no where with knife and demands all you got.
In my opinion, this is a hobby you do with disposable income, keyword is disposable. In these situations I just let the money go. The only time it ever happened I was pissed about it, but thought it over, and gave it up willingly. All of my adventures I've never had a gun pulled on me though, so, yeah that's a good thing I guess. I believe the knife is there just to scare but you never know.
2) Getting blackmailed.
This can happen with a girl you have a relationship established already, say she is desperate and needs extra cash or you piss her off somehow whatever.
How to avoid this? Prepaid phone, can't stress this enough, 40 $ a month is a drop in the bucket for a hobbyist. And never let her see your driver license, if for some reason you need to get verified for an escort, use your passport, no address. And obviously don't do outcalls to your house, sometimes hotels are okay, a seasoned girl will want to call the hotel and check you're there, but there are ways around that too.
In summary, keep your identity safe.
The other scenario, is just a scam, I've had this happen once before where I already paid and started a date with one girl in a hotel and a 2nd girl popped out of the bathroom, started taping on her phone (retrospectively I think she was just using a flash light app on her phone, to intimidate me, not actually recording, I don't think cheap phones record video with flash, could be mistaken though) and said how she was going to post it xyz place and everyone would see it blah blah.
How to avoid this? Like I said above, do your research before going to see a girl. Remember, once that hotel door or apartment door closes, you're in their world, they have the upper hand.
3) Getting upsold.
Avoid this by having a clear and understood agreement with the girl before handing over money and initiating service. Prior to this you want to get comfortable, maybe do the friendly LEO dick / titty grab check.
You are paying x for why services and z amount of time.
Simple. If you don't express you want GFE deep kissing, and in the middle of the session you go for it, you want it really bad. And she says no, or worse she says that's extra. You're going to be pissed off but it's your fault.
4) Getting bad service.
This comes down to:
A) doing your research AND.
B) having an agreed upon contract AND.
C) some people reading skills AND.
D) tact, being a "gentleman".
People reading skills are important. For example: You walk into a hotel room, your eyes should be everywhere, your nose should be working, all of your senses have to be alert. Do you see a male brand deodorant in the bathroom? Is the closet door shut? Do you smell smoke? (not 100% indicative, but most drug users smoke, and an uneducated person is more likely to smoke than an educated person) Do you see any signs of needles or baggies of anything? Is the place clean? Is the girl happy? Is she preoccupied? Is she tired?
If you get bad service from a girl you failed at one or all of the above.
5) Getting arrested.
I'm not a lawyer, but I've gotten girls lawyers, and heard lots of stories from lots of different girls – this topic is almost too much to cover. Me personally I've never been arrested, in any country, anywhere.
The closer you are to drugs, like with street walkers, that carries the greatest risk. Want to be very cautious? Drive around the track at the same time of day 5 times, without picking up any girls, wait until you see one that you recognize was walking earlier, you know she is legit.
Other tips: look for "the eye" from a girl, if you make eye contact she wants to talk to you.
Once you pick the girl up, do the cop check and drive a few blocks away from the pickup area to discuss service.
NEVER DO A DATE IN THE CAR. Trying to save a few dollars? 10 dollar crackhead flop spots or get hotel room, it's worth it. You will run into problems eventually the more you keep doing car dates.
Now regarding massage parlors and hotels. Massage parlor there isn't anything you can do, if you get caught up in that, you're just one unlucky SOB. That said, it's rare, very rare, and typically the cops are after the owner / girls and not you, and they won't get anything on you so I don't think anything will stick on you. I've never seen a parlor in the states that has cameras in the room, obviously because they are a liability. Owners are more worried about legal liability than cheap voyeurism or girl management.
Hotel stings happen frequently, and there really isn't a cop check or anything you can do, once they got you on the phone agreeing to pay for play services, and you show up, they arrest you once you knock on the door. The secret here? Do not discuss services over the phone. Ever. Most guys aren't careful, and girls try to not have their time wasted and choose to talk about stuff over the phone even though it's not safe. So, this is what I do, use a VOIP number or a different number, call the girl up, discuss what you want at no risk to you, then call her back on a different number and say you want a date and will be there shortly. Do not discuss services.
Lastly, odd things do happen, and you just got to be cool and calm. Driving and get pulled over? Yes this will happen very frequently. Always have your I'd and papers in order and a clean car before going on a hunt. If the girl is with you, get her name, address, and how you met real quick before the cop comes to the window. Friend of friend? Be specific, "my friend bob is my mechanic and he introduced us a few months ago" "her name is cindy smith she lives around _ we meet up for dinner sometimes".
They separate you both and ask you questions separately. They will say "she said you gave her 100 for sex" or something like that. Did she say that? No. They are trying to trick you, don't believe anything they say and stick to your guns.
I even had cops come in on a hotel backpage date once, right after the date was over, it was quite a surprise. Apparently she got the room under her name and had some sort of warrant on her. No time to get stories straight, so they knew for sure what was going on. If you're stuck like that, NEVER ADMIT LIABILITY. NEVER NEVER ADMIT LIABILITY. But if they know what's going on, be cordial, smile, try and get the officer to laugh. The minute you see an officer crack a smile you're good. They really don't care about busting people over this crap, they got better stuff to do. But if you insult their intelligence or act like a know-it-all lawyer they will get pissed off and bust your balls extra hard.
In summary. Be careful and there is almost no chance you get arrested.
6) Getting caught by partner.
Prepaid phone. I've covered this. Delete browser cache. Leave no evidence. Share finances? Get a prepaid debit card and make a slush fund. Lover wants you to send pics of yourself or follow you with GPS on your phone? Call forwarding, also there are apps for remotely accessing your primary phone if you want to leave it somewhere. Crazy wife puts a gps tracker on your car? They are hard to spot, if you're super paranoid get a GPS / Cell Jammer shipped from abroad. I have no experience dealing with a lady that persistent and nutty, but I do know the RISK of getting caught is part of the fun. Getting caught absolutely sucks though, so whatever it takes, don't get caught.
You can get hide all physical evidence, but eventually your lady is going to know based on your decreased sex drive plus your time away from her. My advice? If you're a monger being a hornball is in your nature, so, if you have to, think about one of your ATFs when you need to get it on. Lastly, get a hobby, and back it up. Golf and shooting work for me. All year round they are good excuses. Never say a "bar" or "a friends" to "watch the game". Anything typically associated with cheating is a bad excuse to come up with.
7) Being / Becoming a pay for play addict.
As a rookie, this isn't something you think can happen. It's like alcoholism, where it sneaks up on you, and everyone has a different definition of how many drinks makes an alcoholic.
At some point you will think about it, my advice, as long as it isn't hurting our current relationship. Or prohibiting you from having one (that you want) - then it's ok. The other is financial - "It's ain't.
Tricking if you got it" - if you have the money it's ok. Also, if you start to think "WHAT YOU WANT 600 DOLLARS TO FIX MY CAR! That's crazy, I could get 4 massages with lingling and get my ass massaged with her tongue" you got a problem when you denominate your purchases with mongering activity.
8) Negotiating prices, finding the best value.
Negotiating is negotiating, takes skill and practice, whether it's a car or a girl.
1) Target girls who lack negotiating skills, girls who just aren't good at it or who are new to the game. Also target girls without pimps or drivers, any hand in her pocket is a hand in yours!
2) Be willing to walk away. Once you're there, the pressure is on her, not you. She has to close the sale. You have all of the bargaining power. After you see her, talk to her, and discuss services, in your head create a "walk-away" price. She will say how much it is, you will counter with the market minimum. Do your research, different cities, different services, different types of girls have different minimums.
Protip: challenge these minimums, AND NEVER OVER PAY YOU RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE AND LET YOURSELF GET TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IN THE PROCESS. For example, Currently 60 dollars seems to be the minimum for a short stay on backpage. Try 40 - with a smile. Never say "it's all I have" or "I have to get my kid braces"; it insults their intelligence and it makes you look like a bum and not able to make regular payments and visits. If you see a girl you like, set the bar low, never raise the bar, never pay more. On the 4th visit she gives you BBFS and the best lay ever? Do not tip, you are setting yourself up for failure. Your repeat business in and of itself is a tip and it is the way you show your appreciation. Repeat business is the lifeline of a girls income, and a way for her to measure her skills in the business.
When you make your counter. Smile - tell her you will throw in a massage or give her an extra good review. Be nice but firm.
For example: One of my all time favorites, super hot, amazing service, she was independent but she wasn't a good negotiator, sweet heart sorta girl, in the business because it was all she knew. First session talked her into 1 hour 100 for BBBJ / covered anal. Saw her countless times after that, 100 was always the standard donation, services always got better, time together longer, donation always the same. If I had gave her the 250 she asked for and kept paying that I would be out thousands of.
Dollars.
Not sure where to put this, or if it will be well received. Thanks!
I have been mongering since a very young age while living overseas. It's been a life long passion. However, I am challenging myself to call it quits. I am still urged to go hunting every day. I want my career to have meant something though, so, please allow me to pass on what I know.
I have tried almost everything from every continent, 1 k date porn stars, backpage, seeking arrangements, massage parlors, brothels, swinger clubs, strip clubs. I will speak entirely of the scene here in the US.
As in any career, a vet looks back at when he was a rookie, and has some keen realizations.
1) Making Videos.
I was never into making them at fist anyway, and the technology really wasnt there, but I've been into them lately and it's easy with HD cell phone gonzo style recording.
Now I realize, if you come off as considerate, caring, a bit entertaining, and are a repeat customer, then a pro girl will do almost anything for you. Let me emphasize that this takes time to establish, 2-3 sessions minimum usually. Sometimes you can do BBFS + gonzo vid on a first encounter, but it is rare. Also emphasize that this is not most girls, you have to vibe right with them and what not.
So, retrospectively, I wish I made more videos. I got a hard drive full of stuff I've been trying to talk myself into deleting, but it's my trophy case.
My opinion: Videos are fun to make and keep and it's way easier than you would think to get a girl to make porn quality videos with you. Massage girls, streetwalkers, classifieds, doesn't matter. No one talks about videos on this site and I don't know why, I'm assuming you guys think like rookie-me and think the girls won't agree to it.
2) BB FTW!
BB is the way to do it! And to my surprise it's on most girls menu, given your relationship with them and their risk tolerance. Rookie-me thought providers would never do BB, rookie-me never asked for BB, veteran-me knows they all do BB, the only question is with how many guys. Veteran-me always.
Insists upon BBBJ at a minimum.
/ STD talk /.
Looking back on it, I never ever caught any serious STDs. When I first started, I was absolutely terrified of STDs, still mongered just did so anxiously. I Covered everything all the time. I got STD tested bi-weekly. Anxious as all hell at first.
My opinion: If you're going to monger, do it to the max! Just be clean and smart as possible, but enjoy yourself and let go of all anxiety.
Protip: (I'm not a doctor but, seems to have done well for me).
ALWAYS WASH YOURSELF BEFORE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY AFTER. Even if at a strip club, or even if doing a car date, run / drive to the nearest bathroom. I don't care if it's a public restroom I will whip my Johnson out over the sink and wash it down with soap several times, then use the air dryer. It gets you a few looks but guys almost always just run away and don't say jack. It's a personal health and safety thing don't be shy fellas. If it's a hotel thing or wherever I always make it clear to the girl I have to shower before and after or no go.
/ STD talk /.
3) False Love.
Remember any relationships you make will not be real. Don' t let yourself get taken advantage of. It actually took me a long time to realize this. So, save yourself some time and heartache, go into this hobby with no expectations of companionship.
Girls are either working for a pimp. Their real lover, or are doing so for drugs. There is no such thing as a stripper working her way through college.
Addicts may not love themselves, and by extension not be able to love you, that said they are rather genuine for the most part.
Some girls work just for the money. These you want to stay away from the most, purely materialistic and lack a soul.
The exception to this is foreign girls, particularly Asians, In China for example, a rural girl with no education can work a menial job for 10 dollars a day. She can do that or make 1000 a day over here. If I could multiply my income by 100 by doing what they do I would. I find nothing morally egregious with their decision. These days I would say 90%+ of these girls are not doing this against their will, it's their choice.
In my experience relationships I've had with foreign Asian girls and domestic working girl addicts have been the "realest". All of those stories you hear about a massage girl running off and getting married?
Most are true. Is that a good idea? No, horrible, but I can understand these relationships feeling the "realest".
Oh, the other notable yet rare exception are girls that were pimped or abused in some harsh way at a young age, and they really don't know anything different. Most have a drug problem, some don't, and they do the work because they don't know anything else and it pays well compared to their other options. These girls are just messed up in the head though, and while your relationship may be able to develop into something real. Stay away. I gave up on my old captain save a ho job. You rookies out.
There. Don't try and save any girl out there, There are two outcomes:
1) she / you fail and you wasted your time / money / heart.
2) she blossoms and leaves your ass once she gets herself together.
4) Lying / misleading activity of fellow mongers.
At first, I always took reviews and stories to be true. Rookies beware. Some posters are just liars, for no good reason, no bad reason, they just like to makeup stories, they like to create an online persona. I will not name names or give examples.
Other posters exaggerate, a little bit, or a lot. No malicious intent here I believe, just bragging too hard or whatever.
A small percentage of posters are basically advertisers, they get free or discounted service from providers, or don't actually see girls at all and just take a fee / commission for advertising.
I figured all of the above to be true from getting to actually know lots of girls and businesses and cross referencing the posts with what actually goes down. Yes girls can lie too but eventually the truth becomes evident.
Part 2.
Now. Here are concerns I have had and I know other rookies have. I will discuss each scenario at length and advise on how to avoid problems and have a good time.
1) Getting robbed.
This has happened to me numerous times, non-verified escorts (backpage for example), streetwalkers, massage parlor girls.
1st things first. Don't be drunk or high on anything while mongering. You are likely to be a victim of a pick pocket at the very least. Also, girls don't like guys drunk or high, they don't finish quickly and are usually rude or obnoxious, so the service may be bad and they have even more reason to fleece you.
2nd thing, be aware of your possessions the entire time, try to not leave your possessions out of sight, and check on your possessions from time to time before you leave.
3rd thing, never enter any situation with any possession you are not willing to lose. Cell phone? Guess what, you should be using a burner prepaid for this activity anyway, no data on there should be worth.
Worrying about. Wedding ring? Any bling bling? Don't bring it with you. Passport? Don't bring it with you. Wallet? Don't bring it with you. Cards? They are ok as you can submit a claim and get your money back. Cash? ONLY BRING DISPOSABLE INCOME.
Scenario (no weapon involved): Strange dude comes out of no where and walks in on you before / after you gave up money or before / after you're naked and vulnerable.
Common scam, "What are you doing with my wife" / "Hey babe who the * is this guy".
In my opinion, said scammers most likely wouldn't ever get violent, you could probably get out of the situation with your money if you want to fight over it That said, I've always given it up, 1st time it happened I was scared and felt robbed. 2nd time I just laughed at the guy and walked out, stress free.
This happens in hotels or apartments, for me it was equally distributed, I don't feel going to a girls apartment is any more dangerous. Actually those make for some of the best encounters. To avoid this scam I would follow my 3 rules above, to minimize your loses. That said, to totally avoid this, do your research, don't just call up any ad and walk in any door, doing that crap is how these situations happen.
Tineye / google reverse image all the pics you see in an ad. Google the phone number. Another trick I would do is have two or four phone numbers, Using apps (e. G. Talkatone) and the prepaid phone. I would call / text at different times throughout the day to the same girl, I would ask questions that would indicate to me certain things. Examples are "Do you offer bareback", "What are your rates" ,"Do you like to party", "Do you offer 2 girl specials, any specials". If a girl discusses particular acts of service, you have an idea what level she is on. If she clearly states she offers bb services, you know what level she's on, if she likes to party, two girls, etc etc. You can also negotiate rates much easier this way. If the girl has a habit, or in general is desperate, you can tell that if she lowers her price later at night, or on a slow Tuesday night. When you're on the phone listen for dudes in the background, a loud tv (hotel room), a car driving (she has a driver and / or pimp). Long story short, the more research you do, the more suspect you are of each and every girl, the safer every encounter you have will be.
Scenario with weapon: Crazy girl pulls a knife on you:
So this only happened to me with street walkers. Either 1 of 3 things, either she planned it the whole time and isn't really a pro street walker, OR she is a crazy desperate fiend and you didn't realize it quick enough OR she expected something from you which she did not receive, in my case this was my fault in part for being a bit unclear, but you have to remember a lot of these girls aren't that bright, your transaction has to be completely 100% clear up front or else she will get pissed off if her expectations aren't met.
How to avoid this? Street sense, an awareness of what a street walker looks like, sounds like, smells like, and acts like. Be extremely careful of a girl that is obviously tweaking or sick looking, do not pick them up, if you do, and don't realize it until she's in your car and the door closes, then you have two options 1) be extremely aggressive and blunt and tell her to immediately GTFO or 2) immediately make up some excuse, wife texted you, or you mistook the girl for someone else, whatever, give her 5.
Dollars or a few ciggs to get out.
Protip: When doing street dates, bring small change, lots of 5's and 10's, giving a girl 25 for head vs.
20 can sometimes be a big different level of service you receive. Also, I don't smoke, but I bring a pack of Newports with me when street mongering. They always seem to gain me brownie points and cost very little, they are nice gestures to street girls.
The other thing you must do, in order to avoid this scenario, is NEVER take directions from the girl, ESPECIALLY if you don't know the area. She may very well be leading you into a trap. IF you don't know the area, and you end up driving in circles, and she is complaining, you offer to drop her back off or she can keep waiting until you find a spot you deem safe.
Another pro-tip: If you know the area well, park up far away from drug corners. Obvious reason being uncle LEO activity. The other reason is the girl has much less incentive to rip you off or give you bad service if she is far from her dealer. If she knows you're willing to take her back to the track after your date then she already has an incentive to do her job (AND without a "tip". That's a whole other section, but screw tips). This also may be obvious, but NEVER pay the girl before the date is done and you are away from the track, otherwise she may very well just leave and get her drugs without a date.
Scenario with weapon: Guy comes out of no where with knife and demands all you got.
In my opinion, this is a hobby you do with disposable income, keyword is disposable. In these situations I just let the money go. The only time it ever happened I was pissed about it, but thought it over, and gave it up willingly. All of my adventures I've never had a gun pulled on me though, so, yeah that's a good thing I guess. I believe the knife is there just to scare but you never know.
2) Getting blackmailed.
This can happen with a girl you have a relationship established already, say she is desperate and needs extra cash or you piss her off somehow whatever.
How to avoid this? Prepaid phone, can't stress this enough, 40 $ a month is a drop in the bucket for a hobbyist. And never let her see your driver license, if for some reason you need to get verified for an escort, use your passport, no address. And obviously don't do outcalls to your house, sometimes hotels are okay, a seasoned girl will want to call the hotel and check you're there, but there are ways around that too.
In summary, keep your identity safe.
The other scenario, is just a scam, I've had this happen once before where I already paid and started a date with one girl in a hotel and a 2nd girl popped out of the bathroom, started taping on her phone (retrospectively I think she was just using a flash light app on her phone, to intimidate me, not actually recording, I don't think cheap phones record video with flash, could be mistaken though) and said how she was going to post it xyz place and everyone would see it blah blah.
How to avoid this? Like I said above, do your research before going to see a girl. Remember, once that hotel door or apartment door closes, you're in their world, they have the upper hand.
3) Getting upsold.
Avoid this by having a clear and understood agreement with the girl before handing over money and initiating service. Prior to this you want to get comfortable, maybe do the friendly LEO dick / titty grab check.
You are paying x for why services and z amount of time.
Simple. If you don't express you want GFE deep kissing, and in the middle of the session you go for it, you want it really bad. And she says no, or worse she says that's extra. You're going to be pissed off but it's your fault.
4) Getting bad service.
This comes down to:
A) doing your research AND.
B) having an agreed upon contract AND.
C) some people reading skills AND.
D) tact, being a "gentleman".
People reading skills are important. For example: You walk into a hotel room, your eyes should be everywhere, your nose should be working, all of your senses have to be alert. Do you see a male brand deodorant in the bathroom? Is the closet door shut? Do you smell smoke? (not 100% indicative, but most drug users smoke, and an uneducated person is more likely to smoke than an educated person) Do you see any signs of needles or baggies of anything? Is the place clean? Is the girl happy? Is she preoccupied? Is she tired?
If you get bad service from a girl you failed at one or all of the above.
5) Getting arrested.
I'm not a lawyer, but I've gotten girls lawyers, and heard lots of stories from lots of different girls this topic is almost too much to cover. Me personally I've never been arrested, in any country, anywhere.
The closer you are to drugs, like with street walkers, that carries the greatest risk. Want to be very cautious? Drive around the track at the same time of day 5 times, without picking up any girls, wait until you see one that you recognize was walking earlier, you know she is legit.
Other tips: look for "the eye" from a girl, if you make eye contact she wants to talk to you.
Once you pick the girl up, do the cop check and drive a few blocks away from the pickup area to discuss service.
NEVER DO A DATE IN THE CAR. Trying to save a few dollars? 10 dollar crackhead flop spots or get hotel room, it's worth it. You will run into problems eventually the more you keep doing car dates.
Now regarding massage parlors and hotels. Massage parlor there isn't anything you can do, if you get caught up in that, you're just one unlucky SOB. That said, it's rare, very rare, and typically the cops are after the owner / girls and not you, and they won't get anything on you so I don't think anything will stick on you. I've never seen a parlor in the states that has cameras in the room, obviously because they are a liability. Owners are more worried about legal liability than cheap voyeurism or girl management.
Hotel stings happen frequently, and there really isn't a cop check or anything you can do, once they got you on the phone agreeing to pay for play services, and you show up, they arrest you once you knock on the door. The secret here? Do not discuss services over the phone. Ever. Most guys aren't careful, and girls try to not have their time wasted and choose to talk about stuff over the phone even though it's not safe. So, this is what I do, use a VOIP number or a different number, call the girl up, discuss what you want at no risk to you, then call her back on a different number and say you want a date and will be there shortly. Do not discuss services.
Lastly, odd things do happen, and you just got to be cool and calm. Driving and get pulled over? Yes this will happen very frequently. Always have your I'd and papers in order and a clean car before going on a hunt. If the girl is with you, get her name, address, and how you met real quick before the cop comes to the window. Friend of friend? Be specific, "my friend bob is my mechanic and he introduced us a few months ago" "her name is cindy smith she lives around _ we meet up for dinner sometimes".
They separate you both and ask you questions separately. They will say "she said you gave her 100 for sex" or something like that. Did she say that? No. They are trying to trick you, don't believe anything they say and stick to your guns.
I even had cops come in on a hotel backpage date once, right after the date was over, it was quite a surprise. Apparently she got the room under her name and had some sort of warrant on her. No time to get stories straight, so they knew for sure what was going on. If you're stuck like that, NEVER ADMIT LIABILITY. NEVER NEVER ADMIT LIABILITY. But if they know what's going on, be cordial, smile, try and get the officer to laugh. The minute you see an officer crack a smile you're good. They really don't care about busting people over this crap, they got better stuff to do. But if you insult their intelligence or act like a know-it-all lawyer they will get pissed off and bust your balls extra hard.
In summary. Be careful and there is almost no chance you get arrested.
6) Getting caught by partner.
Prepaid phone. I've covered this. Delete browser cache. Leave no evidence. Share finances? Get a prepaid debit card and make a slush fund. Lover wants you to send pics of yourself or follow you with GPS on your phone? Call forwarding, also there are apps for remotely accessing your primary phone if you want to leave it somewhere. Crazy wife puts a gps tracker on your car? They are hard to spot, if you're super paranoid get a GPS / Cell Jammer shipped from abroad. I have no experience dealing with a lady that persistent and nutty, but I do know the RISK of getting caught is part of the fun. Getting caught absolutely sucks though, so whatever it takes, don't get caught.
You can get hide all physical evidence, but eventually your lady is going to know based on your decreased sex drive plus your time away from her. My advice? If you're a monger being a hornball is in your nature, so, if you have to, think about one of your ATFs when you need to get it on. Lastly, get a hobby, and back it up. Golf and shooting work for me. All year round they are good excuses. Never say a "bar" or "a friends" to "watch the game". Anything typically associated with cheating is a bad excuse to come up with.
7) Being / Becoming a pay for play addict.
As a rookie, this isn't something you think can happen. It's like alcoholism, where it sneaks up on you, and everyone has a different definition of how many drinks makes an alcoholic.
At some point you will think about it, my advice, as long as it isn't hurting our current relationship. Or prohibiting you from having one (that you want) - then it's ok. The other is financial - "It's ain't.
Tricking if you got it" - if you have the money it's ok. Also, if you start to think "WHAT YOU WANT 600 DOLLARS TO FIX MY CAR! That's crazy, I could get 4 massages with lingling and get my ass massaged with her tongue" you got a problem when you denominate your purchases with mongering activity.
8) Negotiating prices, finding the best value.
Negotiating is negotiating, takes skill and practice, whether it's a car or a girl.
1) Target girls who lack negotiating skills, girls who just aren't good at it or who are new to the game. Also target girls without pimps or drivers, any hand in her pocket is a hand in yours!
2) Be willing to walk away. Once you're there, the pressure is on her, not you. She has to close the sale. You have all of the bargaining power. After you see her, talk to her, and discuss services, in your head create a "walk-away" price. She will say how much it is, you will counter with the market minimum. Do your research, different cities, different services, different types of girls have different minimums.
Protip: challenge these minimums, AND NEVER OVER PAY YOU RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE AND LET YOURSELF GET TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IN THE PROCESS. For example, Currently 60 dollars seems to be the minimum for a short stay on backpage. Try 40 - with a smile. Never say "it's all I have" or "I have to get my kid braces"; it insults their intelligence and it makes you look like a bum and not able to make regular payments and visits. If you see a girl you like, set the bar low, never raise the bar, never pay more. On the 4th visit she gives you BBFS and the best lay ever? Do not tip, you are setting yourself up for failure. Your repeat business in and of itself is a tip and it is the way you show your appreciation. Repeat business is the lifeline of a girls income, and a way for her to measure her skills in the business.
When you make your counter. Smile - tell her you will throw in a massage or give her an extra good review. Be nice but firm.
For example: One of my all time favorites, super hot, amazing service, she was independent but she wasn't a good negotiator, sweet heart sorta girl, in the business because it was all she knew. First session talked her into 1 hour 100 for BBBJ / covered anal. Saw her countless times after that, 100 was always the standard donation, services always got better, time together longer, donation always the same. If I had gave her the 250 she asked for and kept paying that I would be out thousands of.
Dollars.Great article, well written and thank you for the input!
The post from BumpnRun really needs to be linked with the 22 rules for Mongering.
I wonder how we could make that happen. For a first post, this is excellent.
The Article needs a name. It really isn't a post.
I found your article very interesting to read. You've shared a wealth of knowledge here and for that I thank you. I've even learned a thing or two from some of your experiences. So thanks again.
Not sure where to put this, or if it will be well received. Thanks!
I have been mongering since a very young age while living overseas. It's been a life long passion. However, I am challenging myself to call it quits. I am still urged to go hunting every day. I want my career to have meant something though, so, please allow me to pass on what I know.
I have tried almost everything from every continent, 1 k date porn stars, backpage, seeking arrangements, massage parlors, brothels, swinger clubs, strip clubs. I will speak entirely of the scene here in the US.
As in any career, a vet looks back at when he was a rookie, and has some keen realizations.
1) Making Videos.
I was never into making them at fist anyway, and the technology really wasnt there, but I've been into them lately and it's easy with HD cell phone gonzo style recording.
Now I realize, if you come off as considerate, caring, a bit entertaining, and are a repeat customer, then a pro girl will do almost anything for you. Let me emphasize that this takes time to establish, 2-3 sessions minimum usually. Sometimes you can do BBFS + gonzo vid on a first encounter, but it is rare. Also emphasize that this is not most girls, you have to vibe right with them and what not.
So, retrospectively, I wish I made more videos. I got a hard drive full of stuff I've been trying to talk myself into deleting, but it's my trophy case.
My opinion: Videos are fun to make and keep and it's way easier than you would think to get a girl to make porn quality videos with you. Massage girls, streetwalkers, classifieds, doesn't matter. No one talks about videos on this site and I don't know why, I'm assuming you guys think like rookie-me and think the girls won't agree to it.
2) BB FTW!
BB is the way to do it! And to my surprise it's on most girls menu, given your relationship with them and their risk tolerance. Rookie-me thought providers would never do BB, rookie-me never asked for BB, veteran-me knows they all do BB, the only question is with how many guys. Veteran-me always.
Insists upon BBBJ at a minimum.
/ STD talk /.
Looking back on it, I never ever caught any serious STDs. When I first started, I was absolutely terrified of STDs, still mongered just did so anxiously. I Covered everything all the time. I got STD tested bi-weekly. Anxious as all hell at first.
My opinion: If you're going to monger, do it to the max! Just be clean and smart as possible, but enjoy yourself and let go of all anxiety.
Protip: (I'm not a doctor but, seems to have done well for me).
ALWAYS WASH YOURSELF BEFORE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY AFTER. Even if at a strip club, or even if doing a car date, run / drive to the nearest bathroom. I don't care if it's a public restroom I will whip my Johnson out over the sink and wash it down with soap several times, then use the air dryer. It gets you a few looks but guys almost always just run away and don't say jack. It's a personal health and safety thing don't be shy fellas. If it's a hotel thing or wherever I always make it clear to the girl I have to shower before and after or no go.
/ STD talk /.
3) False Love.
Remember any relationships you make will not be real. Don' t let yourself get taken advantage of. It actually took me a long time to realize this. So, save yourself some time and heartache, go into this hobby with no expectations of companionship.
Girls are either working for a pimp. Their real lover, or are doing so for drugs. There is no such thing as a stripper working her way through college.
Addicts may not love themselves, and by extension not be able to love you, that said they are rather genuine for the most part.
Some girls work just for the money. These you want to stay away from the most, purely materialistic and lack a soul.
The exception to this is foreign girls, particularly Asians, In China for example, a rural girl with no education can work a menial job for 10 dollars a day. She can do that or make 1000 a day over here. If I could multiply my income by 100 by doing what they do I would. I find nothing morally egregious with their decision. These days I would say 90%+ of these girls are not doing this against their will, it's their choice.
In my experience relationships I've had with foreign Asian girls and domestic working girl addicts have been the "realest". All of those stories you hear about a massage girl running off and getting married?
Most are true. Is that a good idea? No, horrible, but I can understand these relationships feeling the "realest".
Oh, the other notable yet rare exception are girls that were pimped or abused in some harsh way at a young age, and they really don't know anything different. Most have a drug problem, some don't, and they do the work because they don't know anything else and it pays well compared to their other options. These girls are just messed up in the head though, and while your relationship may be able to develop into something real. Stay away. I gave up on my old captain save a ho job. You rookies out.
There. Don't try and save any girl out there, There are two outcomes:
1) she / you fail and you wasted your time / money / heart.
2) she blossoms and leaves your ass once she gets herself together.
4) Lying / misleading activity of fellow mongers.
At first, I always took reviews and stories to be true. Rookies beware. Some posters are just liars, for no good reason, no bad reason, they just like to makeup stories, they like to create an online persona. I will not name names or give examples.
Other posters exaggerate, a little bit, or a lot. No malicious intent here I believe, just bragging too hard or whatever.
A small percentage of posters are basically advertisers, they get free or discounted service from providers, or don't actually see girls at all and just take a fee / commission for advertising.
I figured all of the above to be true from getting to actually know lots of girls and businesses and cross referencing the posts with what actually goes down. Yes girls can lie too but eventually the truth becomes evident.
Part 2.
Now. Here are concerns I have had and I know other rookies have. I will discuss each scenario at length and advise on how to avoid problems and have a good time.
1) Getting robbed.
This has happened to me numerous times, non-verified escorts (backpage for example), streetwalkers, massage parlor girls.
1st things first. Don't be drunk or high on anything while mongering. You are likely to be a victim of a pick pocket at the very least. Also, girls don't like guys drunk or high, they don't finish quickly and are usually rude or obnoxious, so the service may be bad and they have even more reason to fleece you.
2nd thing, be aware of your possessions the entire time, try to not leave your possessions out of sight, and check on your possessions from time to time before you leave.
3rd thing, never enter any situation with any possession you are not willing to lose. Cell phone? Guess what, you should be using a burner prepaid for this activity anyway, no data on there should be worth.
Worrying about. Wedding ring? Any bling bling? Don't bring it with you. Passport? Don't bring it with you. Wallet? Don't bring it with you. Cards? They are ok as you can submit a claim and get your money back. Cash? ONLY BRING DISPOSABLE INCOME.
Scenario (no weapon involved): Strange dude comes out of no where and walks in on you before / after you gave up money or before / after you're naked and vulnerable.
Common scam, "What are you doing with my wife" / "Hey babe who the * is this guy".
In my opinion, said scammers most likely wouldn't ever get violent, you could probably get out of the situation with your money if you want to fight over it That said, I've always given it up, 1st time it happened I was scared and felt robbed. 2nd time I just laughed at the guy and walked out, stress free.
This happens in hotels or apartments, for me it was equally distributed, I don't feel going to a girls apartment is any more dangerous. Actually those make for some of the best encounters. To avoid this scam I would follow my 3 rules above, to minimize your loses. That said, to totally avoid this, do your research, don't just call up any ad and walk in any door, doing that crap is how these situations happen.
Tineye / google reverse image all the pics you see in an ad. Google the phone number. Another trick I would do is have two or four phone numbers, Using apps (e. G. Talkatone) and the prepaid phone. I would call / text at different times throughout the day to the same girl, I would ask questions that would indicate to me certain things. Examples are "Do you offer bareback", "What are your rates" ,"Do you like to party", "Do you offer 2 girl specials, any specials". If a girl discusses particular acts of service, you have an idea what level she is on. If she clearly states she offers bb services, you know what level she's on, if she likes to party, two girls, etc etc. You can also negotiate rates much easier this way. If the girl has a habit, or in general is desperate, you can tell that if she lowers her price later at night, or on a slow Tuesday night. When you're on the phone listen for dudes in the background, a loud tv (hotel room), a car driving (she has a driver and / or pimp). Long story short, the more research you do, the more suspect you are of each and every girl, the safer every encounter you have will be.
Scenario with weapon: Crazy girl pulls a knife on you:
So this only happened to me with street walkers. Either 1 of 3 things, either she planned it the whole time and isn't really a pro street walker, OR she is a crazy desperate fiend and you didn't realize it quick enough OR she expected something from you which she did not receive, in my case this was my fault in part for being a bit unclear, but you have to remember a lot of these girls aren't that bright, your transaction has to be completely 100% clear up front or else she will get pissed off if her expectations aren't met.
How to avoid this? Street sense, an awareness of what a street walker looks like, sounds like, smells like, and acts like. Be extremely careful of a girl that is obviously tweaking or sick looking, do not pick them up, if you do, and don't realize it until she's in your car and the door closes, then you have two options 1) be extremely aggressive and blunt and tell her to immediately GTFO or 2) immediately make up some excuse, wife texted you, or you mistook the girl for someone else, whatever, give her 5.
Dollars or a few ciggs to get out.
Protip: When doing street dates, bring small change, lots of 5's and 10's, giving a girl 25 for head vs.
20 can sometimes be a big different level of service you receive. Also, I don't smoke, but I bring a pack of Newports with me when street mongering. They always seem to gain me brownie points and cost very little, they are nice gestures to street girls.
The other thing you must do, in order to avoid this scenario, is NEVER take directions from the girl, ESPECIALLY if you don't know the area. She may very well be leading you into a trap. IF you don't know the area, and you end up driving in circles, and she is complaining, you offer to drop her back off or she can keep waiting until you find a spot you deem safe.
Another pro-tip: If you know the area well, park up far away from drug corners. Obvious reason being uncle LEO activity. The other reason is the girl has much less incentive to rip you off or give you bad service if she is far from her dealer. If she knows you're willing to take her back to the track after your date then she already has an incentive to do her job (AND without a "tip". That's a whole other section, but screw tips). This also may be obvious, but NEVER pay the girl before the date is done and you are away from the track, otherwise she may very well just leave and get her drugs without a date.
Scenario with weapon: Guy comes out of no where with knife and demands all you got.
In my opinion, this is a hobby you do with disposable income, keyword is disposable. In these situations I just let the money go. The only time it ever happened I was pissed about it, but thought it over, and gave it up willingly. All of my adventures I've never had a gun pulled on me though, so, yeah that's a good thing I guess. I believe the knife is there just to scare but you never know.
2) Getting blackmailed.
This can happen with a girl you have a relationship established already, say she is desperate and needs extra cash or you piss her off somehow whatever.
How to avoid this? Prepaid phone, can't stress this enough, 40 $ a month is a drop in the bucket for a hobbyist. And never let her see your driver license, if for some reason you need to get verified for an escort, use your passport, no address. And obviously don't do outcalls to your house, sometimes hotels are okay, a seasoned girl will want to call the hotel and check you're there, but there are ways around that too.
In summary, keep your identity safe.
The other scenario, is just a scam, I've had this happen once before where I already paid and started a date with one girl in a hotel and a 2nd girl popped out of the bathroom, started taping on her phone (retrospectively I think she was just using a flash light app on her phone, to intimidate me, not actually recording, I don't think cheap phones record video with flash, could be mistaken though) and said how she was going to post it xyz place and everyone would see it blah blah.
How to avoid this? Like I said above, do your research before going to see a girl. Remember, once that hotel door or apartment door closes, you're in their world, they have the upper hand.
3) Getting upsold.
Avoid this by having a clear and understood agreement with the girl before handing over money and initiating service. Prior to this you want to get comfortable, maybe do the friendly LEO dick / titty grab check.
You are paying x for why services and z amount of time.
Simple. If you don't express you want GFE deep kissing, and in the middle of the session you go for it, you want it really bad. And she says no, or worse she says that's extra. You're going to be pissed off but it's your fault.
4) Getting bad service.
This comes down to:
A) doing your research AND.
B) having an agreed upon contract AND.
C) some people reading skills AND.
D) tact, being a "gentleman".
People reading skills are important. For example: You walk into a hotel room, your eyes should be everywhere, your nose should be working, all of your senses have to be alert. Do you see a male brand deodorant in the bathroom? Is the closet door shut? Do you smell smoke? (not 100% indicative, but most drug users smoke, and an uneducated person is more likely to smoke than an educated person) Do you see any signs of needles or baggies of anything? Is the place clean? Is the girl happy? Is she preoccupied? Is she tired?
If you get bad service from a girl you failed at one or all of the above.
5) Getting arrested.
I'm not a lawyer, but I've gotten girls lawyers, and heard lots of stories from lots of different girls this topic is almost too much to cover. Me personally I've never been arrested, in any country, anywhere.
The closer you are to drugs, like with street walkers, that carries the greatest risk. Want to be very cautious? Drive around the track at the same time of day 5 times, without picking up any girls, wait until you see one that you recognize was walking earlier, you know she is legit.
Other tips: look for "the eye" from a girl, if you make eye contact she wants to talk to you.
Once you pick the girl up, do the cop check and drive a few blocks away from the pickup area to discuss service.
NEVER DO A DATE IN THE CAR. Trying to save a few dollars? 10 dollar crackhead flop spots or get hotel room, it's worth it. You will run into problems eventually the more you keep doing car dates.
Now regarding massage parlors and hotels. Massage parlor there isn't anything you can do, if you get caught up in that, you're just one unlucky SOB. That said, it's rare, very rare, and typically the cops are after the owner / girls and not you, and they won't get anything on you so I don't think anything will stick on you. I've never seen a parlor in the states that has cameras in the room, obviously because they are a liability. Owners are more worried about legal liability than cheap voyeurism or girl management.
Hotel stings happen frequently, and there really isn't a cop check or anything you can do, once they got you on the phone agreeing to pay for play services, and you show up, they arrest you once you knock on the door. The secret here? Do not discuss services over the phone. Ever. Most guys aren't careful, and girls try to not have their time wasted and choose to talk about stuff over the phone even though it's not safe. So, this is what I do, use a VOIP number or a different number, call the girl up, discuss what you want at no risk to you, then call her back on a different number and say you want a date and will be there shortly. Do not discuss services.
Lastly, odd things do happen, and you just got to be cool and calm. Driving and get pulled over? Yes this will happen very frequently. Always have your I'd and papers in order and a clean car before going on a hunt. If the girl is with you, get her name, address, and how you met real quick before the cop comes to the window. Friend of friend? Be specific, "my friend bob is my mechanic and he introduced us a few months ago" "her name is cindy smith she lives around _ we meet up for dinner sometimes".
They separate you both and ask you questions separately. They will say "she said you gave her 100 for sex" or something like that. Did she say that? No. They are trying to trick you, don't believe anything they say and stick to your guns.
I even had cops come in on a hotel backpage date once, right after the date was over, it was quite a surprise. Apparently she got the room under her name and had some sort of warrant on her. No time to get stories straight, so they knew for sure what was going on. If you're stuck like that, NEVER ADMIT LIABILITY. NEVER NEVER ADMIT LIABILITY. But if they know what's going on, be cordial, smile, try and get the officer to laugh. The minute you see an officer crack a smile you're good. They really don't care about busting people over this crap, they got better stuff to do. But if you insult their intelligence or act like a know-it-all lawyer they will get pissed off and bust your balls extra hard.
In summary. Be careful and there is almost no chance you get arrested.
6) Getting caught by partner.
Prepaid phone. I've covered this. Delete browser cache. Leave no evidence. Share finances? Get a prepaid debit card and make a slush fund. Lover wants you to send pics of yourself or follow you with GPS on your phone? Call forwarding, also there are apps for remotely accessing your primary phone if you want to leave it somewhere. Crazy wife puts a gps tracker on your car? They are hard to spot, if you're super paranoid get a GPS / Cell Jammer shipped from abroad. I have no experience dealing with a lady that persistent and nutty, but I do know the RISK of getting caught is part of the fun. Getting caught absolutely sucks though, so whatever it takes, don't get caught.
You can get hide all physical evidence, but eventually your lady is going to know based on your decreased sex drive plus your time away from her. My advice? If you're a monger being a hornball is in your nature, so, if you have to, think about one of your ATFs when you need to get it on. Lastly, get a hobby, and back it up. Golf and shooting work for me. All year round they are good excuses. Never say a "bar" or "a friends" to "watch the game". Anything typically associated with cheating is a bad excuse to come up with.
7) Being / Becoming a pay for play addict.
As a rookie, this isn't something you think can happen. It's like alcoholism, where it sneaks up on you, and everyone has a different definition of how many drinks makes an alcoholic.
At some point you will think about it, my advice, as long as it isn't hurting our current relationship. Or prohibiting you from having one (that you want) - then it's ok. The other is financial - "It's ain't.
Tricking if you got it" - if you have the money it's ok. Also, if you start to think "WHAT YOU WANT 600 DOLLARS TO FIX MY CAR! That's crazy, I could get 4 massages with lingling and get my ass massaged with her tongue" you got a problem when you denominate your purchases with mongering activity.
8) Negotiating prices, finding the best value.
Negotiating is negotiating, takes skill and practice, whether it's a car or a girl.
1) Target girls who lack negotiating skills, girls who just aren't good at it or who are new to the game. Also target girls without pimps or drivers, any hand in her pocket is a hand in yours!
2) Be willing to walk away. Once you're there, the pressure is on her, not you. She has to close the sale. You have all of the bargaining power. After you see her, talk to her, and discuss services, in your head create a "walk-away" price. She will say how much it is, you will counter with the market minimum. Do your research, different cities, different services, different types of girls have different minimums.
Protip: challenge these minimums, AND NEVER OVER PAY YOU RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE AND LET YOURSELF GET TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IN THE PROCESS. For example, Currently 60 dollars seems to be the minimum for a short stay on backpage. Try 40 - with a smile. Never say "it's all I have" or "I have to get my kid braces"; it insults their intelligence and it makes you look like a bum and not able to make regular payments and visits. If you see a girl you like, set the bar low, never raise the bar, never pay more. On the 4th visit she gives you BBFS and the best lay ever? Do not tip, you are setting yourself up for failure. Your repeat business in and of itself is a tip and it is the way you show your appreciation. Repeat business is the lifeline of a girls income, and a way for her to measure her skills in the business.
When you make your counter. Smile - tell her you will throw in a massage or give her an extra good review. Be nice but firm.
For example: One of my all time favorites, super hot, amazing service, she was independent but she wasn't a good negotiator, sweet heart sorta girl, in the business because it was all she knew. First session talked her into 1 hour 100 for BBBJ / covered anal. Saw her countless times after that, 100 was always the standard donation, services always got better, time together longer, donation always the same. If I had gave her the 250 she asked for and kept paying that I would be out thousands of.
Dollars.
Am I the only one who cares?
Yeah, now can you see why I am constantly pounding the table on watching the video Busted: A Citizen's Guide to. ? Also why I keep preaching "get an education" and use the resources here to stay safe?
.Sure! All that stuff great, but, why are you not pointing our new members in the direction of some good health care advice? I believe misinformation like that below does more harm than good. It implies that washing with soap and water makes bare back sex safe or safer. Gullible members who are looking for an excuse to go bare will end up spreading STDs around and thereby making it unsafe for everybody.
Intelligent, thinking members who read this kind of misinformation ought to take off their shoes and table pound their objections.
It should not have to be just me.
Not sure where to put this, I started to tell you where to put it. I decided not to because I believe you are a good guy, with the right intentions.
2) BB FTW!
BB is the way to do it! And to my surprise it's on most girls menu, given your relationship with them and their risk tolerance. Rookie-me thought providers would never do BB, rookie-me never asked for BB, veteran-me knows they all do BB, the only question is with how many guys. Veteran-me always.
Insists upon BBBJ at a minimum.
/ STD talk /.
Looking back on it, I never ever caught any serious STDs. When I first started, I was absolutely terrified of STDs, still mongered just did so anxiously. I Covered everything all the time. I got STD tested bi-weekly. Anxious as all hell at first.
My opinion: If you're going to monger, do it to the max! Just be clean and smart as possible, but enjoy yourself and let go of all anxiety.
Protip: (I'm not a doctor but, seems to have done well for me).
ALWAYS WASH YOURSELF BEFORE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY AFTER. Even if at a strip club, or even if doing a car date, run / drive to the nearest bathroom. I don't care if it's a public restroom I will whip my Johnson out over the sink and wash it down with soap several times, then use the air dryer. It gets you a few looks but guys almost always just run away and don't say jack. It's a personal health and safety thing don't be shy fellas. If it's a hotel thing or wherever I always make it clear to the girl I have to shower before and after or no go.
/ STD talk /.
There are a lot of gullible newbies who come to this site looking for reasons to go bareback. Telling them that washing with soap and water makes sex with professional girls safer, is like putting a gun to their heads and telling them playing Russian roulette is safe most of the time. They would be better off crossing their fingers and saying a short pray.
The fact that you have beaten the odds is in no way proof of a cure.
Washing before and after a sexual act is a very good practice, especially if you want to avoid the common cold. BUT! If you want to avoid serious STDs that are transmitted though blood, like HIV or Hepatitis C, wear a condom.
Washing your member in a boiling solution of Lysol and bleach may help with some germs that are transmitted by skin to skin contact, like syphilis, herpes and HPV. WASHING WITH SOAP AND WATER MAY REMOVE INFECTIOUS MATERIAL THAT IS ON YOU SKIN. The key word in that last sentence is, "MAY. " Just like washing your hands with soap and water is a good practice against the common cold and flu, but does not totally prevent colds or flu. Washing your dick after fucking will not guarantee that you will not get a STD.
Washing will have no effect on germs and viruses that have penetrated the skin.
Don't believe me? Don't! Go ask your own doctor or a health care provider that you trust. If you are too afraid to man up and speak frankly with a doctor or health care person and you would rather get you information from some sex site on the internet try Googling, "Does washing prevent STDs?"
I prefer BBBJs and I do so with the full knowledge that Hepatitis C can be transmitted during oral sex. I also know that condoms are not always 100% safe and can fail. IMHO, if you want to avoid getting a STD, use a condom. If you want to participate in this hubby, educate yourself in all of it's phases.
CookyJar.
P.S.: To my knowledge and I could be wrong, HIV can be transmitted during oral sex but it is very rare. Hobby at your own risk, know the facts.
Actually, there are no known cases of Hep C transmission via oral sex. Unless, I suppose the girl has bleeding gums. However, I agree w CJ. The only real way to decrease the risk of contracting any STD is condoms. Personally, I'd prefer having a well greased HJ (with some good dirty talk) over a covered BJ.
Msaunders6969
11-08-15, 09:56
Actually, there are no known cases of Hep C transmission via oral sex. Unless, I suppose the girl has bleeding gums. However, I agree w CJ. The only real way to decrease the risk of contracting any STD is condoms. Personally, I'd prefer having a well greased HJ (with some good dirty talk) over a covered BJ.A well greased HJ is tops in my book! I try to carry some lube in the car with me. Never had a girl refuse to get her hand wet.
Cephlapod Love
11-08-15, 15:37
Am I the only one who cares?
Sure! All that stuff great, but, why are you not pointing our new members in the direction of some good health care advice? I believe misinformation like that below does more harm than good. It implies that washing with soap and water makes bare back sex safe or safer. Gullible members who are looking for an excuse to go bare will end up spreading STDs around and thereby making it unsafe for everybody.
Intelligent, thinking members who read this kind of misinformation ought to take off their shoes and table pound their objections.
It should not have to be just me.
One suggested that we know the facts, so that is a good place to start.
How about the section of the City of Philadelphia Health Department that deals with HIV? Looks like there is an AIDS Activities Coordinating Office (AACO).
http://www.phila.gov/health/aaco/aacodataresearch.html
If one wants to get the real facts take a look at the most recent Annual report: 2013 HIV-AIDS Epidemiological Report.
http://www.phila.gov/health/pdfs/AACO%202013%20Surveillance%20Report%20Final-dt.pdf
Here is a map of the Prevalance of People Living with HIV and AIDS in Philadelphia.
http://www.phila.gov/health/imgs/aaco/gmap.gif
From that map one can see that the highest reported rate is 352.31 per 100,000 persons.
Doing the math 352.31 / 100,000 = 0. 00352.
Converting that to percent - 0. 352 percent = . 352%.
That seems low, let's dig further
Per the report, page 14:
In Philadelphia, it is estimated that by 2017 there will be more than 15,000 persons living with AIDS.
Current population estimate of Philadelphia is estimated at 1,560,297 by the end of 2014.
So 15,000 people with HIV Infection per 1. 5 MM population means.
15,000 / 1,500,000 = 0. 01 or 1%.
Now drilling down into the report and one finds this:
Among males, the majority of HIV/AIDS cases are associated with male-to-male sexual contact (MSM). This has been the case over the course of the epidemic.
Cases among male IDU have declined steadily over the past several years, and cases classified as heterosexual transmission have fluctuated
This is supported by Figure 5: Risk Category Trend by Year, Males 2009-2013. {see attached}.
Then looking at Table 11 Prevalence Rates of HIV / AIDS in Philadelphia, 2013.
Shows a rate of 1,282.0 per 100,000 or an over all rate of 1. 28%.
So overall 1.28% of Philadelphia residents have HIV/AIDS
Now since this board is focused on Men seeking women and I assume most that come here are straight and NOT also playing with other dudes, then let's look at the female population.
Rate of HIV / AIDS in Philadelphia females in 2013 was 693.9 per 100,000 or 0. 693 percent, 0. 693%. That is less than one-percent of all females in Philadelphia have HIV / AIDS.
Now drill down further in Table 11 and we see the rates for various "categories" of females:
Hispanic Females. Rate of 838.2 per 100,000 or 0. 838%.
Black Females. Rate of 1,146.6 per 100,000 or 1. 14%.
White Females. Rate of 194.1 per 100,000 or 0. 2% (two tenths of a percent).
Asian Females. Rate of 77.3 per 100,000 or 0. 08%.
AIAN Female - 478.2 per 100,000 or 0. 48% AIAN = Amer Indian, Alsaskan Native.
NHPI Female - 2,109.4 per 100,000 or 2. 1% NHPI = Native Hawaiian, Pacific Islander.
So the lowest risk population is Asian women, followed by white females. The highest risk females appear to be NPHI and black females.
Now the notes on Table 12 say:
Early diagnosis and treatment has also been shown to reduce transmission - a critical component of the National HIV/AIDS Strategy (NHAS)
Take a look at the info on the State of Pennsylvaina's Health Dept Website. Their 2104 Annaul HIV report can be found here:
http://www.health.pa.gov/My%20Health/Diseases%20and%20Conditions/E-H/HIV%20And%20AIDS%20Epidemiology/Documents/2014%20Annual%20HIV%20Surveillance%20Summary%20Report_UP.pdf
Table 9 Covers the AACO Area, aka Bucks, Delaware, Chester, Montgomery, and Philadelphia Counties.
In that area 75% of the HIV cases were male, 25% are female. Whites are 25% of the cases, Blacks 61%, Hispanic 11%.
Looking at mode of transmission reveals:
36% MSM (male sex with males).
27% IDU (intravenous drug users).
4% MSM / IDU.
67% total all three above categories.
28% Heterosexual.
Just the facts.
Cephlapod Love
11-08-15, 16:02
The Feds, US Gubmint, Center for Disease Control.
PrEP
Pre-exposure prophylaxis, or PrEP, is a prevention option for people who are at high risk of getting HIV. It's meant to be used consistently, as a pill taken every day, and to be used with other prevention options such as condoms. Find out if PrEP is right for you.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep.html
This infographic:
http://www.cdc.gov/actagainstaids/pdf/campaigns/starttalking/stsh_prep-ig_v7.pdf
In several studies of PrEP, the risk of getting HIV inf ection was much lower — up to 92% lower — for those who took the medicines consistently than for those who didn't take the pill.
PEP
PEP is the use of antiretroviral drugs after a single high-risk event to stop HIV from making copies of itself and spreading through your body. PEP must be started as soon as possible to be effective—and always within 3 days of a possible exposure. If you think you may have been exposed to HIV very recently, see a doctor as soon as possible to find out if PEP is right for you.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/pep.html
Living With HIV
Today, an estimated 1. 2 million people are living with HIV in the United States. Thanks to better treatments, people with HIV are now living longer—and with a better quality of life—than ever before. If you are living with HIV, it's important to make choices that keep you healthy and protect others.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/livingwithhiv/index.html
If one wants to dig into the the Guidelines for Treatment, take a look at the Clinical Guidelines Portal.
https://aidsinfo.nih.gov/guidelines/html/1/adult-and-adolescent-arv-guidelines/0
One suggested that we know the facts, so that is a good place to start.
As always, I have the upmost respect for you and your opinion. However, in this particular case, thanks for clouding the issue.
Bottom f'ing line: Home remedies don't work. If STD's are a concern, wear a condom.
CookyJar.
The Feds, US Gubmint, Center for Disease Control.
Let us pre-suppose that there is only one person in the whole world who is HIV infected. And, that the chances of your coming in contact with that person are 0.00 to the googolplex. If you don't get HIV or any other STD it probably will not be because you washed with soup and water. It will be because it just was not your time. If you come into contact with that one person in the world who is HIV positive and you fuck her, I hope you are wearing a condom. If you are not wearing a condom, then you should wash, scrub with soap and water and then pray.
That's JMHO!
CookyJar.
There is a guy over in the Southern Jersey General thread implying that you can tell a girl is unhealthy by looking at her and determining if she has lost weight. Here in the Philadelphia General Thread it has been implied that washing with soap and water is a defense against STDs.
And, nobody is standing up and shouting, WTF, don't be so naive.
Wear a condom or don't wear a condom, just know the risk. Wash before, after or during if you can but know the risk. Fuck 'em skinny, fat or in between, I don't care, just know the risk.
CookyJar.
Cephlapod Love
11-09-15, 10:23
Mayo Clinic Anyone?
Risk factors
By Mayo Clinic Staff.
Anyone who is sexually active risks exposure to a sexually transmitted infection to some degree. Factors that may increase that risk include:
- Having unprotected sex. Vaginal or anal penetration by an infected partner who is not wearing a latex condom significantly increases the risk of getting an STI. Improper or inconsistent use of condoms can also increase your risk.
- Oral sex is less risky but may still transmit infection without a latex condom or dental dam. Dental dams — thin, square pieces of rubber made with latex or silicone — prevent skin-to-skin contact.
- Having sexual contact with multiple partners. The more people you have sexual contact with, the greater your overall exposure risks. This is true for concurrent partners as well as monogamous consecutive relationships.
- Having a history of STIs. Being infected with one STI makes it much easier for another STI to take hold. If you're infected with herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea or chlamydia and you have unprotected sex with an HIV-positive partner, you're more likely to contract HIV. Also, it's possible to be reinfected by the same infected partner if he or she isn't also treated.
- Anyone forced to have sexual intercourse or sexual activity. Dealing with rape or assault can be difficult, but it is important to be seen as soon as possible. Screening, treatment and emotional support can be offered.
- Abusing alcohol or using recreational drugs. Substance abuse can inhibit your judgment, making you more willing to participate in risky behaviors.
Injecting drugs. Needle sharing spreads many serious infections, including HIV, hepatitis be and hepatitis see. If you acquire HIV by injecting drugs, you can transmit it sexually.
- Being an adolescent female. In adolescent girls, the immature cervix is made up of constantly changing cells. These unstable cells make the adolescent female cervix more vulnerable to certain sexually transmitted organisms.
- Men who request prescriptions for drugs to treat erectile dysfunction. Men who ask their doctors for prescriptions for certain drugs — such as sildenafil (Viagra), tadalafil (Cialis) and vardenafil (Levitra) — have higher rates of STIs. Be sure you are up to date on safe sex practices if you ask your doctor for one of these medications.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sexually-transmitted-diseases-stds/basics/risk-factors/con-20034128
Cephlapod Love
11-09-15, 10:34
For those who like their facts in tabular form, see the SF City Clinic's table of risks. Looks like giving Oral to a woman is relatively low, receiving oral sex has risks.
http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp
At the very bottom of this table are some notes.
*** Unprotected anal sex is a very high risk activity for a bottom, much more so than for a top. The risk of HIV transmission to a bottom during unprotected anal sex is 15 in 1,000 versus 3 in 10,000 from a bottom to a top.
- Kissing, mutual masturbation, and frottage or dry humping are considered safer sex activities, with little to no risk of STD transmission.
- Using latex condoms (male or female) significantly reduces the risk of contracting STDs during anal, vaginal and oral sex.
- Washing hands and the genital area thoroughly before and after oral-anal sex reduces the risk of transmission of most of the listed STDs and conditions. Condom use reduces transmission risk even further.
If one is patient and knows his medical history, there is an on-line STD Wizard.
http://www.stdwizard.org/#/ home.
It is lengthy, maybe 32 questions in all. I took it and the only recommendation was to get the Hepatitis be Vaccine.
How will you score?
Tell me something, can any of these be contracted over the internet? If so, we're all in trouble!
Tell me something, can any of these be contracted over the internet? If so, we're all in trouble!LOL! No DrD, I believe the only disease contracted over the internet is Diarrhea of the Mouth, which seems to affect only those who have been away from actual mongering for a while.
NumberDude
12-15-15, 15:31
Is it just me? I confess I've been with more girls in my life than many (most?) guys and every once in a while I sort of feel like I'm "in love". Then the inevitable happens: they lose their phone, or go into rehab, or go straight, or whatever. Then I'm sort of brokenhearted. But that feeling only lasts until I meet the next one. Reminds me of a song by Emitt Rhodes, "Love will stone you, but you'll come down. " So is this a common thing, or is it just me?
Is it just me? I confess I've been with more girls in my life than many (most?) guys and every once in a while I sort of feel like I'm "in love". Then the inevitable happens: they lose their phone, or go into rehab, or go straight, or whatever. Then I'm sort of brokenhearted. But that feeling only lasts until I meet the next one. Reminds me of a song by Emitt Rhodes, "Love will stone you, but you'll come down. " So is this a common thing, or is it just me?Nope been there to, but stayed away form all this stuff for awhile afterwards. My own fault didn't see she took my one RARELY used Ccard (was in overhead console) . No idea why I had it even on me that day but yeah gone. By time I found out she was in Florida and that was that. Was a few years ago and was a Craigslist girl I used to see alot. Most expensive meet up I ever had, but atleast got refunded and didn't lose anything. Just scared me away from meeting all that easy and just meet others that are recommended.
NvrStlPhilly
12-16-15, 10:25
Nope been there to, but stayed away form all this stuff for awhile afterwards. My own fault didn't see she took my one RARELY used Ccard (was in overhead console) . No idea why I had it even on me that day but yeah gone. By time I found out she was in Florida and that was that. Was a few years ago and was a Craigslist girl I used to see alot. Most expensive meet up I ever had, but atleast got refunded and didn't lose anything. Just scared me away from meeting all that easy and just meet others that are recommended.The feelings fade once you see them with other guys, shooting dope or smoking crack. Once I saw my "loved" one so doped up that she almost had heart attack. I don't want the drama, cops, questions etc. Stay far away. One day you say yuck, or WTF and / or what was I thinking!!!!
The feelings fade once you see them with other guys, shooting dope or smoking crack. Once I saw my "loved" one so doped up that she almost had heart attack. I don't want the drama, cops, questions etc. Stay far away. One day you say yuck, or WTF and / or what was I thinking!!!!Def agree. Thankfully the CCard company and me fixed the charge issue but like you said I do think back like WTF was a thinking. Only think to her credit was she hid the usage well no marks nothing. Ehh chalk it up to inexperience and leasons of life LOL.
CantWaitForMor
12-18-15, 13:52
I will be in Colmar next month, north of Philly. Any recommendations for an outcall that would go there? Mainly into spinners, but beggars can't be choosy. Thanks in advance for the help. PM's are fine.
Snapper123
12-20-15, 07:55
Is it just me? I confess I've been with more girls in my life than many (most?) guys and every once in a while I sort of feel like I'm "in love". Then the inevitable happens: they lose their phone, or go into rehab, or go straight, or whatever. Then I'm sort of brokenhearted. But that feeling only lasts until I meet the next one. Reminds me of a song by Emitt Rhodes, "Love will stone you, but you'll come down. " So is this a common thing, or is it just me?Got to remember that they are not there to find a boyfriend or because they are bored just sitting around doing nothing. They are there for drugs and food their basic necessities (mainly drugs). There is more drama going on in their life than you could probably stand. If you look at their arms and think they are not using, look between their toes. It's an epidemic that is going to be around for a while, so take them for what they are (once or twice and done), then move on, as there will be a whole new crop of pussy there for the taking.
NvrStlPhilly
12-20-15, 18:38
Def agree. Thankfully the CCard company and me fixed the charge issue but like you said I do think back like WTF was a thinking. Only think to her credit was she hid the usage well no marks nothing. Ehh chalk it up to inexperience and leasons of life LOL.Look I mid 40"s. I fu. Over say 2000 women. It is just lust. Let's admit that a reasonably respectable working guy can't bring any of the SW, massage girls, strippers etc. Home to mom or family. Hell I sneak them in my house after dark to avoid neighbors. I don't EVEN tell them my real name. They stick out like a sore thumb. It's true you can't make a ***** a housewife. They are severely damaged people. Me, I was only in lust and in site of real good fu. At my age (current) the lust goes away and I can take or leave it. Why does this matter? Because all men have testosterone (to varying degrees) that sometimes goes out of control. Once this chemical leaves then life goes on and you see the women in a different light. Happens to us all. Just fuck and forget; this style took me long time to implement.
Sacramento
12-22-15, 02:21
The feelings fade once you see them with other guys, shooting dope or smoking crack. Once I saw my "loved" one so doped up that she almost had heart attack. I don't want the drama, cops, questions etc. Stay far away. One day you say yuck, or WTF and / or what was I thinking!!!!Sad day today. The girl I thought was smoking hot and amazing has just been proven wrong. Today I hit the k and found the girl who I saw last week who I adored. This time. She was passed out in some crack house. She got up and didn't even recocnize me. She was high off some bad drugs. She grabbed a Pepsi bottle and just started peeling in it. I stood there just watched and thought my God why am I in here. I just stare at her. She just keeps looking at the wall trying to grab something. Nothing was there. She then almost passes out. Luckily I grab her or she would of fell face first to the wooden floor. At that point I really wished I could help this young woman but I just left. I exited the room. 2 other girls outside the room. Looked at me asked if I wanted to do something with them. I said no thank you and just left. I took a picture before I left. I didn't do anything with her. Just shocked and disgusted with what I saw. Such a shame.
Sacramento
12-22-15, 02:53
The feelings fade once you see them with other guys, shooting dope or smoking crack. Once I saw my "loved" one so doped up that she almost had heart attack. I don't want the drama, cops, questions etc. Stay far away. One day you say yuck, or WTF and / or what was I thinking!!!!Sad day today. The girl I thought was smoking hot and amazing has just been proven wrong. Today I hit the k and found the girl who I saw last week who I adored. This time. She was passed out in some crack house. She got up and didn't even recocnize me. She was high off some bad drugs. She grabbed a Pepsi bottle and just started peeling in it. I stood there just watched and thought my God why am I in here. I just stare at her. She just keeps looking at the wall trying to grab something. Nothing was there. She then almost passes out. Luckily I grab her or she would of fell face first to the wooden floor. At that point I really wished I could help this young woman but I just left. I exited the room. 2 other girls outside the room. Looked at me asked if I wanted to do something with them. I said no thank you and just left. I took a picture before I left. I didn't do anything with her. Just shocked and disgusted with what I saw. Such a shame.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...r-Photos/page5 Post # 6294.
For all those that knew Nikki or Johanna, This is to let you know she passed away last night. Nikki was a girl that couldn't seem to escape her demons. I thought when she had her son that would help her get better.
Seems he just couldn't escape the clutches of the beast. I Remained in contact with her and her family over the years. She like so many others wanted to leave the drugs behind.
It's a sad day. She always had a smile for any one that found her. That's a lot in this type of life. She is sadly missed. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.
There are times we think with our big head, sometimes foolishly with our little head and occasionally even with our heart. This is one of those times for the latter. This is very sad news and it speaks well to read the comments and compassion of some members. We are all in this together.
~Runner
BTW, this story makes me think about a tall brunette Lauren who was around about 2-3 years ago on the south end of K. She got pretty bad but thankfully she has been on a new path for about two years. I am sure it is a day by day road to conqueror but thankfully some do.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...r-Photos/page5 Post # 6294.
For all those that knew Nikki or Johanna, This is to let you know she passed away last night. Nikki was a girl that couldn't seem to escape her demons. I thought when she had her son that would help her get better.
Seems he just couldn't escape the clutches of the beast. I Remained in contact with her and her family over the years. She like so many others wanted to leave the drugs behind.
It's a sad day. She always had a smile for any one that found her. That's a lot in this type of life. She is sadly missed. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.
Boob Luvah
01-05-16, 21:30
Runner,
The Lauren you mentioned have a "love" tattoo on the torsoe? I remember she also have a big healed cut on the arm.
BTW, this story makes me think about a tall brunette Lauren who was around about 2-3 years ago on the south end of K. She got pretty bad but thankfully she has been on a new path for about two years. I am sure it is a day by day road to conqueror but thankfully some do.
There are times we think with our big head, sometimes foolishly with our little head and occasionally even with our heart. This is one of those times for the latter. This is very sad news and it speaks well to read the comments and compassion of some members. We are all in this together.
~Runner
BTW, this story makes me think about a tall brunette Lauren who was around about 2-3 years ago on the south end of K. She got pretty bad but thankfully she has been on a new path for about two years. I am sure it is a day by day road to conqueror but thankfully some do.You are correct with Lauren Runner. She has been off the work site a couple years. When she was around she was a bundle of fun.
Glad she's finding other ways to entertain herself.
Situation with Nikki is they think it was her heart. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.
Sad day today. The girl I thought was smoking hot and amazing has just been proven wrong. Today I hit the k and found the girl who I saw last week who I adored. This time. She was passed out in some crack house. She got up and didn't even recocnize me. She was high off some bad drugs. She grabbed a Pepsi bottle and just started peeling in it. I stood there just watched and thought my God why am I in here. I just stare at her. She just keeps looking at the wall trying to grab something. Nothing was there. She then almost passes out. Luckily I grab her or she would of fell face first to the wooden floor. At that point I really wished I could help this young woman but I just left. I exited the room. 2 other girls outside the room. Looked at me asked if I wanted to do something with them. I said no thank you and just left. I took a picture before I left. I didn't do anything with her. Just shocked and disgusted with what I saw. Such a shame.Where was the house?
I think you are correct BoobL. All I can definitely recall is she was fun, funny, flaky at times, sweet, accommodating and just all around a pleasant date who legitimately enjoyed our time together. She never went through the motions if you know what I mean!.
Runner.
Runner,
The Lauren you mentioned have a "love" tattoo on the torsoe? I remember she also have a big healed cut on the arm.
Tara has been mentioned before. She's a pretty little red head UTR. I know she has some regulars on the board. Any Intel would be appreciated and repaid! Thanks.
Tara has been mentioned before. She's a pretty little red head UTR. I know she has some regulars on the board. Any Intel would be appreciated and repaid! Thanks.So nobody knows her or has seen her?
So nobody knows her or has seen her?I saw her today at clearfied and the k. By the time I came around the block she was goneshe was just walking. Not working.
Frankie6969
02-01-16, 11:07
Hey guys been trying to get hold of her have. I have the number that she text me when she change her number XXX-XXX-0863 . If anyone has her contact info please let me know.
Hi fellow forum members, I just had a question about one of the old hunting grounds. I was checking out the maps for the Philadelphia area (Old York Road stroll) and decided to take a drive. When I got there, I didn't see anything action. Also, I don't hear talk about that area anyway. So my question is, What happen to that area or was I not looking in the right places?
DirtMcGirt215
02-06-16, 07:24
Hi fellow forum members, I just had a question about one of the old hunting grounds. I was checking out the maps for the Philadelphia area (Old York Road stroll) and decided to take a drive. When I got there, I didn't see anything action. Also, I don't hear talk about that area anyway. So my question is, What happen to that area or was I not looking in the right places?Old York Rd is usually hit or miss during the day on the lower end. At night the trannies take over from Hunting Park north.
Forth Ryte
02-26-16, 16:54
Its been quite a few months since I've travelled to Philly to cruise the K (I tend to stay away in colder weather) but I'm thinking of coming in a few days.
From the reports I'm reading, its sounding like there is more LE presence and activity than usual. Any comments? Is it safe?
-Forth Ryte.
Its been quite a few months since I've travelled to Philly to cruise the K (I tend to stay away in colder weather) but I'm thinking of coming in a few days.
From the reports I'm reading, its sounding like there is more LE presence and activity than usual. Any comments? Is it safe?
-Forth Ryte.Same as always, IMHO.
There has always been a high Law Enforcement presents on and around the avenue. There may seem like it is more because they have varied their patrol route. Again, IMHO, LE is more concern with the drug problem in the area. Certainly, if you blatantly preform an illegal act right in front of one of them, giving them reason to pull you over, they will. And, if they pull you over for any reason and you address isn't in the area, they are going to question you. A lot of out of towners come into Kensington to purchase drugs.
My suggestion is to check your vehicle for working lights, don't make U-turns or stops in the middle of the street or do anything that gives LE the legal right to pull you over and question your reason for being in the area.
I was recently pulled over for a missing tail light. Nicest guy you would ever want to meet. He even told me where to go and get the light fixed. It took about 15 minutes and I was back on the avenue.
BTW: I know you from the Good-Old-Days, when the Duncan Donuts, car dealers and 7 eleven were the hot spots. Things have changed. Most girls avoid the avenue and hang-out near local corners just off of the avenue. A lot depends on the time of day.
Hope this helps.
CookyJar.
MrBigBigMan11
02-27-16, 12:45
Hi fellow forum members, I just had a question about one of the old hunting grounds. I was checking out the maps for the Philadelphia area (Old York Road stroll) and decided to take a drive. When I got there, I didn't see anything action. Also, I don't hear talk about that area anyway. So my question is, What happen to that area or was I not looking in the right places?Be careful on Old York Rd. LE does frequent drive by raids and if your not careful, you can get busted!
Forth Ryte
02-28-16, 18:02
Things have changed. Most girls avoid the avenue and hang-out near local corners just off of the avenue. A lot depends on the time of day.
CookyJar.Yes, I'd noticed that. Thanks for validating my observation.
Forth Ryte.
I met up with this girl the other day and we started talking about how some of these girls feel uncomfortable when jumping into cars. She brought up a valid point. I know his hobby is not without its dangers and everybody is scared during the meet and greet session. One of the things she mention was how she will enter into someone's car and that person won't talk to her. They won't say hi, my name is whatever, they just stay quiet during the hold trip. I just couldn't believed what she just told me. I know for me, I want the girl to be as comfortable as possible. So I play some top 40 music, I have some food and bottled water in the car. I know if the girl feel relax, I am going to have a better time. So guys, what is your opinion?
Cephlapod Love
04-10-16, 21:33
BULLSHIT A2! - Guys, A2 wants you to believe that LE doesn't use USASG as a tool to run stings, I say BS. Do you really think LE sits in the parking lot all day, week, month long watching to see if chicks go in, or do they just spend an hour online reading posts on open forums to see what AMP, strip club, track, etc, is worth setting up a sting or raiding?
Let me ask you guys this, if you were a bank robber would you post about robbing banks on a public website? If you said no then maybe its time to start posting on a private website.
I think this view is paranoid and misguided in my humble opinion. In PA solicitation is a misdemeanor crime. As such it is not cost effective for LE to stalk mongers online. Sure they might read here, but no way they can get to your through USASG. First they would have to get a court order and serve it on A2 to turn over you IP address. Since A2 & company is off shore, it is going to cost a lot to do that. Then if A2 fights it, more cost. Then if they get the IP, they need ANOTHER court order for the ISP to ID you in real life. THEN how does anyone prove anything here is anything more than creative writting or that you were in fact typing anything? No, it isn't cost effective to do all of that for a misdemeanor crime.
So your analogy to Bank Robbery - which is a felony and a danger to society - falls through.
I think LE cruises the streets of Philly 24/7 and knows what is going on in any neighborhood. They see the addicts and they see the h**kers and the j*hns. They know from driving their beat where all of that is, they don't need to read USASG to figure that out. When they set up stings is when public opinion grows load enough that they have to do something. That and at certain times of every year they have annual "clean up" days for the Vice Squad.
Anyone is free to be paranoid and run off to close doors. I just have to wonder what is the ulterior motive of those who need to use fear to drive others to their little corner of the universe?
Thanks, sounds desperate as hell to me too.
I like the part where he straight up lied and said we will be charging for the site.
A2
I doubt that more than 30% of the mongers out there know about or use USAG. Concern for privacy, determination to seal off their hobby from friends and Co workers and family, lack of certain privacy at home, unwares, no desire to post about it but just to use any available time to hobby, etc, etc.
I have been driving for decades and ran into it only recently because a SW mentioned it.
It's far far easier to just patrol and catch folks in the act or notice a taillight or lack of a seat belt or sudden swerves. Almost a guarantee the girl has warrants or drugs so it's often an easy stop to rack up statistics. It's to easy for LE to bother working through all the steps Celaphod mentions in his very good post. IMHO. There is a risk. Be smart and there is much less of a risk.
Street Steve
04-17-16, 21:14
A young woman who follows my work contacted me and I agreed to have these two images shown at the Rosenwald-Wolf Gallery of the University Of The Arts Philadelphia.
S Broad St, Philadelphia, PA 19107. The two pictures below are in the window facing Broad St until 4/23. If you do a search on Street Steve and Rosenwald-Wolf Gallery you can find out more.
The SW name is not Valerie but she did not want her real name used. Maybe some of you have dated this SW. I liked her.
I am not from Philadelphia but I think of it fondly, and I glad my work is in such important place.
Running With The Creeps, Street Steve.
A young woman who follows my work contacted me and I agreed to have these two images shown at the Rosenwald-Wolf Gallery of the University Of The Arts Philadelphia.
S Broad St, Philadelphia, PA 19107. The two pictures below are in the window facing Broad St until 4/23. If you do a search on Street Steve and Rosenwald-Wolf Gallery you can find out more.
The SW name is not Valerie but she did not want her real name used. Maybe some of you have dated this SW. I liked her.
I am not from Philadelphia but I think of it fondly, and I glad my work is in such important place.
Running With The Creeps, Street Steve.I'm familiar with the girl you posted. We've met and dated a few times. She's very low key and sort of a utr when she was out in the K. Last I met her was 2 years ago. I've lost contact with her when she moved to Bucks County. Her first name starts with K. She looks younger on those pictures but I think she's already on her late 30's if not early 40's if I'm not mistaken. I guess she's one of them gifted with a good genes. Very nice pictures BTW.
Cephlapod Love
04-18-16, 11:35
A young woman who follows my work contacted me and I agreed to have these two images shown at the Rosenwald-Wolf Gallery of the University Of The Arts Philadelphia.
S Broad St, Philadelphia, PA 19107. The two pictures below are in the window facing Broad St until 4/23. If you do a search on Street Steve and Rosenwald-Wolf Gallery you can find out more.
The SW name is not Valerie but she did not want her real name used. Maybe some of you have dated this SW. I liked her.
I am not from Philadelphia but I think of it fondly, and I glad my work is in such important place.
Running With The Creeps, Street Steve.Street Steve is way too modest. His documentation of the Philly street scene is legendary. He has a different style and focus than others who photograph girls in Philly.
But his work is extensive. It can be found here:
http://www.imagefap.com/organizer/274932/Street-Prostitutes
No idea why he doesn't post more here?
Here is the link to the University of the Arts note on his inclusion in the exhibition.
http://www.uarts.edu/events/2016/03/darja-bajagic-street-steve
BTW - article has one fact wrong. I believe SS is NOT from Philly, but another state.
Congratulation Street Steve, Kudos to you.
A young woman who follows my work contacted me and I agreed to have these two images shown at the Rosenwald-Wolf Gallery of the University Of The Arts Philadelphia.
S Broad St, Philadelphia, PA 19107. The two pictures below are in the window facing Broad St until 4/23. If you do a search on Street Steve and Rosenwald-Wolf Gallery you can find out more.
The SW name is not Valerie but she did not want her real name used. Maybe some of you have dated this SW. I liked her.
I am not from Philadelphia but I think of it fondly, and I glad my work is in such important place.
Running With The Creeps, Street Steve.Suffice it to say, I am extremely jealous. Every artist dreams of being recognized during their lifetime. Although I find it hard to appreciate Darja Bajagić 's work, I have always found your contributions to be fascinating and intriguing.
If the weather holds, perhaps I'll make a trip and see it on exhibition.
CookyJar. .
Hello. Will be spending a few days in the Bensalem area. Read through the forums and found the areas on K. Ave. Would prefer something safer if anyone out there is generous enough to pass on contacts of safe providers.
Would be happy to return the favor providing contact to my regulars if anyone gets down to Northern Virginia.
PM Please.
Thank you.
Cephlapod Love
05-01-16, 22:19
Hello. Will be spending a few days in the Bensalem area. Read through the forums and found the areas on K. Ave. Would prefer something safer if anyone out there is generous enough to pass on contacts of safe providers.
Would be happy to return the favor providing contact to my regulars if anyone gets down to Northern Virginia.
PM Please.
Thank you.I think there are a number or reports of LE running stings in the Bensalem area. All fwiw.
That is a nice area so I doubt there is much if any SW activity there.
PhillyFreakBul
05-07-16, 07:40
Be careful on Old York Rd. LE does frequent drive by raids and if your not careful, you can get busted!Got busted a few years ago on Old York Road. Have not mongered since. Smh. And before I forget Cookyjar you are a god. Luv to be you for a day. Sorry fellows first time posting.
Got busted a few years ago on Old York Road. Have not mongered since. Smh. And before I forget Cookyjar you are a god. Luv to be you for a day. Sorry fellows first time posting.Thanks PhillyFreakBul.
Old York Road is pretty much a done deal, IMHO. A few busted-up hangers on is all I ever see as I head down to Kensington Avenue. I am seldom in the area after dark these days, but I hear that is when the homos come out to ply their trade.
If anyone is having any luck on Old York Road, a review / report sure would be nice and appreciated.
Be careful, it ain't like it used to be.
CookyJar.
Sailorman67
05-09-16, 18:48
Monger visiting the city of brotherly love and looking for a petite white female to keep me company. Staying at Hotel in the City Ave area. Would greatly appreciate it if ya'll can recommend somebody. Thanks.
NvrStlPhilly
05-12-16, 10:53
Thanks PhillyFreakBul.
Old York Road is pretty much a done deal, IMHO. A few busted-up hangers on is all I ever see as I head down to Kensington Avenue. I am seldom in the area after dark these days, but I hear that is when the homos come out to ply their trade.
If anyone is having any luck on Old York Road, a review / report sure would be nice and appreciated.
Be careful, it ain't like it used to be.
CookyJar.I travel up Huntingdon Park ave (near Broad and Old York Road) a couple days a week. I never viewed any type of cute SW's. Mostly disgusting skanks. Just my humble opinion.
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