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Spitfire
03-30-20, 22:27
So we are all stuck inside more than normal. So let's share our all time favorite ladies!
Top 5 and why.

I'll go first:
1. Grayson. If you've met her. You get it. Sexy, pretty and can do everything great!
2. Boutetourt Red. From the past. She could bang one out pretty damn well! She was great!
3. Faith. Love her body and her smile. She just makes you feel like you're the King!

I'm stopping at 3 because nobody compares to those 3 for me.My Local Top 5.

1. Erotic Jenna (not the massage lady).

2. Bedroom Barbie.

3. Linda. Asian girl from an agency years ago.

4. Bridget.

5. Celeste.

TheKing80
03-31-20, 13:07
https://roanoke.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/in-roanoke-now-come-see-me-for/946187939253

No sure if real or scam wants. She wants you to send money on cash app or buy money pak card before meeting. Anybody have any experience with this one.

IPasdionate
03-31-20, 18:22
I used cock rings for years without any pleasure and no issues. I had an adjustable rubber one and also a Vibrating Cock Ring.

Then last year having sex with a condom on, I came and went to remove the condom in the bathroom. There was blood in the tip! It popped a blood vessel. It sealed quickly and there were no issues afterwards, but I have not used it since!Find them all at www.male-essentials.com . Only be careful. Those are tough to get off is you get stuck in one. Could fall off if even just a little too big and get stuck if the cock swells after wearing it and decides to stay big. Had one on the head one time that did that and had tough time for a whole miserable day to work it out. But they are fun and turn on.

Buggs008
04-01-20, 15:40
Celeste- wowzer I just loved that girl. Always jappy and did everythig well.

Bedroom Barbie- this was the blonde that was smoking back in 15. This was by far the sexiest spinner roanoke has had in years. (there was a brunette that sje brought into the biz. I forgot her mame hot small spinner with her clit pierced? Anyone remember her name?

Red- ill second that girl. She could ride you hard as hell.Barbie's friend's name was Bridget and she said her Dad gave her the ring for her 16th birthday. I blew out my disk on Halloween 2016 with this dynamic duo. I was bringing Barbie soup and salad from the Olive Garden and She had a little surprise for me with her friend. I brought the food and they supplied the entertainment.

I could barely walk when I left that afternoon. I went straight to the ER and got a shot for my back. LOL. It was certainly a day worth remembering. At one point I thought I was doing real good and was sure Barbie had just about had enough then, she just rolled over and slapped her butt cheek and said, "hit me doggy now Buggy. " I was like "Damm" how could one refuse a request like that so I caught my second wind and finished her up. Then, I circled back around to see my friend Bridget who was on the couch ready and waiting. I am telling you it was way too much fun for one afternoon! Yes, those were some good old days indeed.

Be safe my friends, Buggs.

DaveSalem
04-02-20, 15:27
I didn't mean "without any pleasure", I meant "without any problems".


I used cock rings for years without any pleasure and no issues. I had an adjustable rubber one and also a Vibrating Cock Ring.

Then last year having sex with a condom on, I came and went to remove the condom in the bathroom. There was blood in the tip! It popped a blood vessel. It sealed quickly and there were no issues afterwards, but I have not used it since!

Spitfire
04-02-20, 18:21
https://roanoke.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/in-roanoke-now-come-see-me-for/946187939253

No sure if real or scam wants. She wants you to send money on cash app or buy money pak card before meeting. Anybody have any experience with this one.Cash apps / cards up front are always a scam. ALWAYS.

JrJack1010
04-16-20, 12:15
Barbie's friend's name was Bridget and she said her Dad gave her the ring for her 16th birthday. I blew out my disk on Halloween 2016 with this dynamic duo. I was bringing Barbie soup and salad from the Olive Garden and She had a little surprise for me with her friend. I brought the food and they supplied the entertainment.

I could barely walk when I left that afternoon. I went straight to the ER and got a shot for my back. LOL. It was certainly a day worth remembering. At one point I thought I was doing real good and was sure Barbie had just about had enough then, she just rolled over and slapped her butt cheek and said, "hit me doggy now Buggy. " I was like "Damm" how could one refuse a request like that so I caught my second wind and finished her up. Then, I circled back around to see my friend Bridget who was on the couch ready and waiting. I am telling you it was way too much fun for one afternoon! Yes, those were some good old days indeed.

Be safe my friends, Buggs.Yes sir. Bridgett, that is her. I miss the girls back then. I bet we all wish we had those type of girls here today.

Roger1286
04-16-20, 21:22
Barbie's friend's name was Bridget and she said her Dad gave her the ring for her 16th birthday. I blew out my disk on Halloween 2016 with this dynamic duo. I was bringing Barbie soup and salad from the Olive Garden and She had a little surprise for me with her friend. I brought the food and they supplied the entertainment.

I could barely walk when I left that afternoon. I went straight to the ER and got a shot for my back. LOL. It was certainly a day worth remembering. At one point I thought I was doing real good and was sure Barbie had just about had enough then, she just rolled over and slapped her butt cheek and said, "hit me doggy now Buggy. " I was like "Damm" how could one refuse a request like that so I caught my second wind and finished her up. Then, I circled back around to see my friend Bridget who was on the couch ready and waiting. I am telling you it was way too much fun for one afternoon! Yes, those were some good old days indeed.

Be safe my friends, Buggs.Here I am trying not to think about my now too long abstinence from any fun. And I got to be tortured by reading this. I had to wipe drool and precum off my keyboard. Buggs you're killing me. Do you have any more stories?

Buggs008
04-18-20, 21:59
Here I am trying not to think about my now too long abstinence from any fun. And I got to be tortured by reading this. I had to wipe drool and precum off my keyboard. Buggs you're killing me. Do you have any more stories?I do have one more story about Bridgett and Barbie. It was the first time I met Bridget. Barbie called me and asked me to bring her some cherry cokes and some snacks to her room. I had plenty of time so I said sure and when I arrived Bridget was in one of the beds with the cover pulled up and Barbie introduced me and she was gorgeous and Brunette and you could tell she was strong and had been working out regularly.

Barbie said she was going to get a bath and soak in the tub. She went in the bathroom and I got comfortable with Bridget and the next thing I know we were kissing and I got naked and jumped in the bed with Bridget. She has a super tight body and after a little while Barbie came into the room and just started watching and filming with her phone. Well Bridget stopped for a split second to ask her what she was doing and Barbie said she was just taking some pictures. We both just laughed and turned around and didn't miss a beat oblivious to Barbie at the point. Barbie got bored and went back in the bathroom to do her hair and finish getting cleaned up.

When we were finished I got dressed and popped my head in the bathroom to say good bye to Barbie and she asked me if I had any money that I could give to Bridget. I said I didn't have any money with me since I was just planning to drop off the drinks and snacks and leave. Barbie told me to get her pocket book and bring it to her and gave me some money to give to Bridget and for me to not tell Bridget that she gave me the money. I said ok and let her know that I would reimburse her when I saw her again.

So, how is that for a good friend! First, she introduces me to her good friend and then she gives me some money to pay her friend. Lo You can be sure that I paid Barbie back and never told Bridget anything.

Stay safe my friends, Buggs.

BuddyLove92
07-30-20, 20:37
Everyday I get on STG, I get more and more depressed. There is no talent here. I'm thinking I should abandon that site all together, and stick with Danny, Jenn, and Scarlett as my regulars. And See TBC when they come to town. They're the only girls I see on the regular anyway. I can't bring myself to contact these new girls that post, because you can never get a meeting with. Either because they don't answer, their incall is in terrible locations, or they do answer but it leads no where. I could just be making too big a deal out of it. I mean it's just a hobby. Things can always change, for better or worse while doing this. It's just a shame, that a guy can't find some new dreams when he wants too. Without going through the B. S. I used to have fun in this hobby, when I was new and hadn't seen that many girls. Now that I've seen most of what this city has to offer. And I can really only think of three local girls that I would regularly see. Who are all great, but it's lacking here to say the least. The thrill of the hunt will always be there. So I'll stick with this hobby, and maybe things will turn around. And we will get some good new fresh faces here. It's just sad, that my city has so little too offer in terms of quality providers right now. Those are just my thoughts. Safe hunting.

Shooter1701
07-30-20, 21:25
Everyday I get on STG, I get more and more depressed. There is no talent here. I'm thinking I should abandon that site all together, and stick with Danny, Jenn, and Scarlett as my regulars. And See TBC when they come to town. They're the only girls I see on the regular anyway. I can't bring myself to contact these new girls that post, because you can never get a meeting with. Either because they don't answer, their incall is in terrible locations, or they do answer but it leads no where. I could just be making too big a deal out of it. I mean it's just a hobby. Things can always change, for better or worse while doing this. It's just a shame, that a guy can't find some new dreams when he wants too. Without going through the B. S. I used to have fun in this hobby, when I was new and hadn't seen that many girls. Now that I've seen most of what this city has to offer. And I can really only think of three local girls that I would regularly see. Who are all great, but it's lacking here to say the least. The thrill of the hunt will always be there. So I'll stick with this hobby, and maybe things will turn around. And we will get some good new fresh faces here. It's just sad, that my city has so little too offer in terms of quality providers right now. Those are just my thoughts. Safe hunting.I was bored earlier so I started perusing the Greensboro forum. Let's just say that I am really depressed after scrolling through a few pages there. I don't know if a 6-12 month strike would be enough to equalize and revitalize the market. I don't know of anything else that would work.

Hobbiest70
07-30-20, 22:09
Everyday I get on STG, I get more and more depressed. There is no talent here. I'm thinking I should abandon that site all together, and stick with Danny, Jenn, and Scarlett as my regulars. And See TBC when they come to town. They're the only girls I see on the regular anyway. I can't bring myself to contact these new girls that post, because you can never get a meeting with. Either because they don't answer, their incall is in terrible locations, or they do answer but it leads no where. I could just be making too big a deal out of it. I mean it's just a hobby. Things can always change, for better or worse while doing this. It's just a shame, that a guy can't find some new dreams when he wants too. Without going through the B. S. I used to have fun in this hobby, when I was new and hadn't seen that many girls. Now that I've seen most of what this city has to offer. And I can really only think of three local girls that I would regularly see. Who are all great, but it's lacking here to say the least. The thrill of the hunt will always be there. So I'll stick with this hobby, and maybe things will turn around. And we will get some good new fresh faces here. It's just sad, that my city has so little too offer in terms of quality providers right now. Those are just my thoughts. Safe hunting.I.

Have you ever tried Sugarbaby\ Sugardaddy arrangements? I've had some success in the past. Seeking Arrangements is pretty good.

MaxSwagger
07-30-20, 23:55
I.

Have you ever tried Sugarbaby\ Sugardaddy arrangements? I've had some success in the past. Seeking Arrangements is pretty good.I did SA just for kicks last year and it was pretty good to me. Plenty of short term action and turned a few away simply due to lack of time. You'll be surprised who you may find on there.

Sir Mob
07-31-20, 16:49
I am beginning to think the government won. The lack of women seems to be the case in many of the smaller cities, now it has hit us. Occasionally, I check forums for other cities and notice they do not have posts for days. I use to ask myself how that could be the case, now it seems like this forum is more than likely about to suffer the same fate. Take a look at the review forum here, guys asking about women that have rarely been asked about in the past, guys paying ridiculous amounts of money for women who aren't worth half the price they ask, guy referring very large women with teeth missing, and some pretending like they did not see heavy demons. All the while, the ones who are good and worth the money have turned super low volume. To boot, Roanoke is too small for travelling women, but big enough to where there should be more local options. If only the ones who advertise often that get bad reviews (Jess, Bad B*tch) understood now is their time to clean up.

StrokerSixNine
08-03-20, 20:04
I did SA just for kicks last year and it was pretty good to me. Plenty of short term action and turned a few away simply due to lack of time. You'll be surprised who you may find on thereSame here and when they have the next sale or discount I will do it again. I could pay the $80 whatever now I just let me profile continue to get views and have 50 some messages waiting for me. I had a 3-month relationship with the hottest girl I have ever had, sex once or twice a week in exchange for dinner basically, that's all she wanted. I also met 3 others with 2 being still on my call list now.

WillBarnes
08-24-20, 10:41
Hey guys. I drive a truck. I hooked up with a Lesbian Tomboy off of Craigslist in Roanoke years ago. Saw her a few times. She gave great head And let me cover her face and tits for cheap. My route is taking me through Roanoke regularly again but I lost her contact info. Anyone know her? Would love to get drained and cover that face again.

BobWill425
09-22-20, 09:37
Has anyone tried a cuddle provider and gotten extras? I've always figured it was a thinly veiled cover for offering extras. My sole personal experience with a cuddle provider in Kernersville NC proved this to be true, curious of other's experiences.

Allen Belfore
10-29-20, 13:12
If there's enough interest. She wants at least 5 guys to show up to make it worthwhile. Probably mostly HJs and BJs, but definitely 1 or 2 fucks also.

Saturday night from 7 til?

Location not final yet, if you know of a good clean safe place we can do this, PM me. Once location is finalized, I'll post it here.

Of you will come, PM me so we know if there's enough interest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NiceAndNaughtyRoanoke/comments/jet9gv/anybody_know_if_there_are_any_glory_hole/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Spitfire
03-28-21, 13:35
Baltimore no longer prosecuting prostitution.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/03/26/baltimore-reducing-prosecutions/

WVFan32
04-21-21, 11:42
https://caseyblakevip.com/gallery

DaveSalem
04-22-21, 13:56
WOW that is some high-end escorting. That's an Elliott Spitzer quality girl.

Isn't it amazing this girl is driving all around the country entertaining, and there are many many more doing the same thing. You could pass her on the highway or sitting at the hotel bar.

Very Similar to Alyse:

https://alyse3.hesdesigns.biz/home-page/

Also Bradford Collective, but looks like their site is down, maybe due to COVID?

http://www.bradfordcollective.com/


https://caseyblakevip.com/gallery

BagIt
09-15-21, 05:57
https://tryst.link/escort/serenity-stone

Says she is in Roanoke, any ever seen her?

Rrguy
09-15-21, 08:40
https://tryst.link/escort/serenity-stone

Says she is in Roanoke, any ever seen her?Here's another ad, $50 per hour cheaper. https://www.eroticmonkey.ch/serenity-escort-roanoke-952192.

I'm pretty sure I saw her in 2019. At the time she was on adultlook and I think erotic monkey as well. Hair color looks different but the "hippie" background, appearance of back tattoo, description, etc. Leads me to believe it's same woman. I met her when she had a short-lived seeking profile. At the time, 200 & a hotel was all it took. No clock then, MSOG, tight, skinny, flexible MILF. BBBJ, BBFS, and multiple creampies later, I was wore out.

CoryWilliamson
12-20-21, 00:23
Does anyone know what happened to video world? I went by the other day in the afternoon and it was closed.

SandPiper540
12-20-21, 15:54
Does anyone know what happened to video world? I went by the other day in the afternoon and it was closed.I heard the owner is on vacation.

CoryWilliamson
12-21-21, 15:21
He went on vacation and came back around the first of November. I went a couple times and now they are closed again.


I heard the owner is on vacation.

CoryWilliamson
01-10-22, 10:13
I've noticed Video World on Williamson is still not open. I saw a construction truck there the other day. Anyone know of similar places?

GreatTimes
01-10-22, 15:14
I've noticed Video World on Williamson is still not open. I saw a construction truck there the other day. Anyone know of similar places?Google says they are permanently closed and when I called their number is says it's no longer a working number.

CoryWilliamson
01-11-22, 11:04
I talked to the guy that worked there. It is permanently closed. I wonder where the gay community is going now. I'm a straight guy that has needs, now I don't know where to go.

DaveSalem
08-08-22, 08:07
Married Mongers only:

I just discovered that my Payroll website allows multiple bank accounts. I have always had 100% of my paycheck going into the family checking account. I've kept an eTrade account that I withdraw from for mongering activities. I changed my Payroll so that now 5% goes into E*Trade, and she doesn't have the Login.

What other methods do you guys use to maintain a slush fund?

SandPiper540
08-08-22, 11:21
Married Mongers only:

I just discovered that my Payroll website allows multiple bank accounts. I have always had 100% of my paycheck going into the family checking account. I've kept an eTrade account that I withdraw from for mongering activities. I changed my Payroll so that now 5% goes into E*Trade, and she doesn't have the Login.

What other methods do you guys use to maintain a slush fund?And Pay for stuff with cash & set aside an extra 20 here & 10 there. Keep the spare cash somewhere safe Lord knows, the kids will spend every single dime if you don't.

HappyHunter1
08-08-22, 12:27
Married Mongers only:

I just discovered that my Payroll website allows multiple bank accounts. I have always had 100% of my paycheck going into the family checking account. I've kept an eTrade account that I withdraw from for mongering activities. I changed my Payroll so that now 5% goes into E*Trade, and she doesn't have the Login.

What other methods do you guys use to maintain a slush fund?We keep separate bank accounts. I do regular withdrawals to cash and deposit to the stash.

All the money sites say pay yourself first.

IDunno1
08-08-22, 13:17
Luckily I have a cash business that allows me to have $ that no one knows about.


Married Mongers only:

I just discovered that my Payroll website allows multiple bank accounts. I have always had 100% of my paycheck going into the family checking account. I've kept an eTrade account that I withdraw from for mongering activities. I changed my Payroll so that now 5% goes into E*Trade, and she doesn't have the Login.

What other methods do you guys use to maintain a slush fund?

OptimalPreen
08-08-22, 16:05
Does anyone know what happened to video world? I went by the other day in the afternoon and it was closed.Baby and I were really disappointed Video World closed. We live south of Roanoke so now we go to Winston for Annabelle's and Romeo and Juliet's. Bookstores and theaters are a hobby she and I share and we would love to start up one of our own one day.

CoryWilliamson
08-08-22, 17:43
Baby and I were really disappointed Video World closed. We live south of Roanoke so now we go to Winston for Annabelle's and Romeo and Juliet's. Bookstores and theaters are a hobby she and I share and we would love to start up one of our own one day.I enjoyed Video World. There is no other place to go. I'm a married guy that can slip out occasionally. Just no where to go.

WVFan32
08-22-22, 16:18
Any in Roanoke or christiansburg allow morning check-ins?

AliceLee168
08-22-22, 18:09
New girl Westlake.

First time Roanoke.

Early 40's.

SunshineRoa
08-22-22, 20:01
New girl Westlake.

First time Roanoke.

Early 40's.Hi Alice.

Link or number or both would help.

CoolWays
08-22-22, 20:27
Anyone new in some of the other places?


Hi Alice.

Link or number or both would help.

KrustyDawg7
08-27-22, 20:39
Any in Roanoke or christiansburg allow morning check-ins?Can't resist. You can try the Ramada Inn on Franklin Road. Limited time only.

Really great rates, just don't get hit by falling bricks. LOL.

/ sarc.

TheKing80
08-27-22, 22:28
Can't resist. You can try the Ramada Inn on Franklin Road. Limited time only.

Really great rates, just don't get hit by falling bricks. LOL.

/ sarc.Ramada inn is closed not sure how going to check in theree.

SunshineRoa
08-28-22, 12:33
Ramada inn is closed not sure how going to check in theree.Go to hojo.

Hikers on Appalachian Trail stop for breakfast and a shower, assume you can do same.

DaveSalem
08-28-22, 19:17
I heard the Air Conditioning is some of the best in the Valley.

And most of the remodeled rooms have a new "open floor plan". Better get there soon, these deals won't last much longer! They will be completely SOLD OUT very soon!


Can't resist. You can try the Ramada Inn on Franklin Road. Limited time only.

Really great rates, just don't get hit by falling bricks. LOL.

/ sarc.

DaveSalem
08-28-22, 19:23
Check http://www.dayuse.com.

For Roanoke, says Holiday Inn Tanglewood:

https://www.dayuse.com/s/roanoke-regional-airport-woodrum-field?selectedAddress=Roanoke+Regional+Airport-Woodrum+Field&sluggableAddress=Roanoke+Regional+Airport-Woodrum+Field&placeId=eyJsYXQiOjM3LjMyNTQxLCJsbmciOi03OS45NzUzMiwidCI6MSwicCI6Imdlb25hbWVzIn0%3D%2B426d39a26baa76c0347551ce313ceac0&checkinDate=2022-08-29


Any in Roanoke or christiansburg allow morning check-ins?

WVFan32
08-29-22, 07:50
Can't resist. You can try the Ramada Inn on Franklin Road. Limited time only.

Really great rates, just don't get hit by falling bricks. LOL.

/ sarc.Drove by to check it out. Looks like it has a nice cross wind in the rooms. Kidding. I read your response and about fell out haha.

Jim1960
08-30-22, 21:49
Check http://www.dayuse.com.

For Roanoke, says Holiday Inn Tanglewood:

https://www.dayuse.com/s/roanoke-regional-airport-woodrum-field?selectedAddress=Roanoke+Regional+Airport-Woodrum+Field&sluggableAddress=Roanoke+Regional+Airport-Woodrum+Field&placeId=eyJsYXQiOjM3LjMyNTQxLCJsbmciOi03OS45NzUzMiwidCI6MSwicCI6Imdlb25hbWVzIn0%3D%2B426d39a26baa76c0347551ce313ceac0&checkinDate=2022-08-29Tryed it website didn't work people at front desk acted real funny about it needed drivers license and CC I walked out.

TanTricrike
08-31-22, 22:14
Tryed it website didn't work people at front desk acted real funny about it needed drivers license and CC I walked out.That's how a hotel works. Drivers license. Credit card. What exactly were you expecting free?

ClitLicker57
09-13-22, 17:48
Just saw on 10 news that Days in orange is closing! Thank god another Roanoke shit hole is coming to an end, wonder where all the low life are going to live now.

JdWorker83
09-13-22, 17:55
Just saw on 10 news that Days in orange is closing! Thank god another Roanoke shit hole is coming to an end, wonder where all the low life are going to live now.Aren't they all staying at the Airport Inn or whatever it's called?

BuddyLove92
09-13-22, 19:14
Just saw on 10 news that Days in orange is closing! Thank god another Roanoke shit hole is coming to an end, wonder where all the low life are going to live now.They'll probably go to the Airport Inn Efficiencies on Williamson rd. Like you said, it is about time they closed that dump.

Superman540
09-14-22, 16:45
Just saw on 10 news that Days in orange is closing! Thank god another Roanoke shit hole is coming to an end, wonder where all the low life are going to live now.

I wonder if anyone plans on using a black light in all the rooms. Gonna light up like a Jackson Pollock.

DaveSalem
11-24-22, 10:32
We all want to find horny women!

And we are checking out STG, Seeking, Tryst, etc. This is a bit unconventional, but there's a website of female Prison inmates looking for Pen Pals. Can you imagine how horny these women will be when they get out? I imagine that it's mostly the single and lonely ones that have placed ads here too.

Just food for thought, or my 3-cents, however you want to take it.

Checkout PrisonPenPals dot com.

GreatTimes
11-28-22, 10:10
We all want to find horny women!

And we are checking out STG, Seeking, Tryst, etc. This is a bit unconventional, but there's a website of female Prison inmates looking for Pen Pals. Can you imagine how horny these women will be when they get out? I imagine that it's mostly the single and lonely ones that have placed ads here too.

Just food for thought, or my 3-cents, however you want to take it.

Checkout PrisonPenPals dot com.Here is one guy that tried the prison thing using drugs to get their interest, it was a bad idea!

https://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/Roanoke-man-sentenced-in-sex-for-drugs-ploy-411991105.html

DaveSalem
12-09-22, 15:12
What does everyone use to verify photos?

I use Tineye and Google Images. Google images has changed recently though, and almost never finds anything anymore.

PeniWize
12-05-23, 09:19
What does everyone use to verify photos?

I use Tineye and Google Images. Google images has changed recently though, and almost never finds anything anymore.You can verify if the girls pictures are real or not? Sorry newbie here and trying to navigate this board.

DaveSalem
03-01-24, 09:58
You can verify if the girls pictures are real or not? Sorry newbie here and trying to navigate this board.Google images and Tineye will at least usually tell you if photos have been lifted from a porn site. Happens a lot. Or if a "girl" is posting ads in multiple cities at the same time.

ShadowMover
03-14-24, 19:23
Years ago we were in Roanoke and found our way to an adult book video store on Williamson Rd we had a great time playing. My Lady is Asian and enjoys playing are they still open? Let me know with PM or on the open forum.

VirginiaMan7
03-15-24, 13:49
Years ago we were in Roanoke and found our way to an adult book video store on Williamson Rd we had a great time playing. My Lady is Asian and enjoys playing are they still open? Let me know with PM or on the open forum.It looks like they closed Video World a few years back. I'm not sure where people that like to play go now. Maybe someone on this forum has options.