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Eerock
04-18-11, 09:56
I don't see any reports on this place, at least not in recognizable format. They have been advertising on CL forever. Could be a legit place, but something makes me think maybe not. Any intel would be most appreciated.Its McLean, so UTR is almost a requirement when your name is Oriental Healh Spa. No table shower, which I think helps them remain UTR. Standard NOVA fare, as far as I could tell, but I only went once, and found it accomodating.

Eerock
04-18-11, 10:08
Dude. 2 tours in Korea. Hooooaaah! I think I know how to "guestimate" their ages. I can understand that it could be difficult for some and even me sometimes, but altoghether have spent nearly 4years in Osan Pusan and Seoul. Wish I could go back before I throw my boots over a telephone line.The thing you'll notice from ALL of the bust reports around here is that you NEVER see a woman under late 30s get busted. So reports of younger ones working are often met with skepticism. But maybe since they are young they are fast enough to escape.

Fatpig
04-18-11, 15:16
Looks like Booja is closed today. Doors all locked up.

Brutal One
04-18-11, 19:48
Sorry for the stupid question, but wha / wheret is CTM?


I found his post from Sunday (below) unbelieveable. As a long time CTM client, no one has ever been close to providing me as fine a visit as MMS (Sara). I thought to myself "WB must be mistaken". My thoughts were SO WRONG!

Yumi is not a spinner (so if that is your specialty, don't make it a problem for her). Yumi is a superb provider.

Since every detail of WB's report was 100% accurate, I posted it below.

Go see Yumi. And be nice to this very nice lady.

PA.

Ratt Rocker
04-18-11, 19:53
Went to C. H. Massage in Occoquan. Was met in the lobby by an older attractive Asian woman who showed me to my room. The walls do not go up to the ceiling so it's noisy and there is no door, just a curtain across the entry. The woman told me to disrobe and left the room.

A few minutes later an old looking, unattractive Asian women enters. She told me her name but I can't remember it. She gave an ok massage (nothing great but not bad) and kept a towel over me throughout the massage. She had said I would get a table shower but it was more of a table bath. She used wet rags and some sort of sudsless shampoo to wash me right there in the room. Cleanup was done with wet rags and towels. Towards the end she started "brushing" up against my important parts and I responded appropriately to let her know I wanted more, but then she said "That's all" and when I asked if there was more she gave me a quizzical look.

She left the room and I got dressed. She hadn't asked for the house fee yet (80) so after she came back into the room I handed it to her. Another quizzical look and she said "how about my tip". I told her I only tip for extra service. She followed me out of the room and complained to mama-san (who I think was younger than my provider). Mama-san said "How about her tip" and I replied I only tip for extra service. Mama-san also gave me a quizzical look (do these people not realize they are in an AMP?) and started to protest but I stated I wouldn't be back and walked out.

Miketastic69
04-18-11, 20:52
The thing you'll notice from ALL of the bust reports around here is that you NEVER see a woman under late 30s get busted. So reports of younger ones working are often met with skepticism. But maybe since they are young they are fast enough to escape.You're right! I have hardly seen any local reports where under 30's get caught. My keen eye could be getting old. I have been at this for nearly 20 years. I am almost ready for my "gold watch." LOL

Oppen
04-18-11, 23:37
Yumi is average looking. 30s, shoulder length hair, sturdy figure, with a small top.

She's quiet (not someone to see if you're looking for a lively exchange) , but is a hard worker. The TS was thorough, kind of clinical, not playful. The massage was great. Lengthy, hard, and she worked over every inch of my body. She transitioned to some soft touching, which she also did very well. On the flip she again took her time and gave a good massage, went to the soft touch, and then showed some great talent on the release.

After the hot towels she helped me dress and I was out the door.

Oppen
04-20-11, 15:25
My first time at Smile. Interesting to see all the attendant's framed certificates on the wall as one enters. MMS took the house fee and led me to the first room on the left. N entered a minute later and took me to the TS. She looks to be in her 30s, shoulder length hair, be cups, nice smile, with an athletic body. She started singing as we walked to the TS. TS was very soapy with a bit of play, but she seemed to be in a bit of a rush. Fortunately the pace slowed down at the massage. I told her I wanted a hard one and she complied. She spent a lot of time using her forearm on my shoulder blades, gave a good neck and scalp rub, and stretched my arms and legs. She worked hard on my feet and toes. She knows her craft. The massage strokes were interspersed with really hot towels; that was good. She then moved to a light grazing touch with fingernails and then more of that on the flip. She has some good talents for coaxing the standard NOVA finish.

She apologized for the session being a few minutes short because she had been invited out to celebrate a friend's birthday and said she would make up the time at our next visit (yes, I know we've all heard "next time.") We talked a bit about Korean food and then I was out the door.

Pilot Aviator
04-20-11, 19:56
I needed to relax. I went back to CTM and Yumi was my provider (again).

It was very quiet. I full 30 minutes aqua massage.

Recommended.

Be nice to the ladies.

PA

Mustang946
04-21-11, 14:29
Earlier in the week, I was in dire need of stress relief and remembered that one of my favorites at Soft Touch worked only two days a week. I had not seen her in a while as it is often difficult for me to take time off during the work week. However, the opportunity presented itself and I made an appointment. A good idea if you want to make sure she is avail and not have to wait or see someone else. M++ treated me like I had gone on a long trip and welcomed me home. I have high expections for a visit with her and was not disappointed. A great TS followed by some time in the sauna with a cool beverage. Then off for a great session. She knows my likes and dislikes. She remembered things we had discussed previously and is a able to carry on a conversation rather than just smiling and nodding, saying yes, like a lot of other therepists. As others have said on this board, she has the ability to make you feel special.

OneHitWonders
04-21-11, 18:52
Went to C. H. Massage in Occoquan. Was met in the lobby by an older attractive Asian woman who showed me to my room. The walls do not go up to the ceiling so it's noisy and there is no door, just a curtain across the entry. The woman told me to disrobe and left the room.

A few minutes later an old looking, unattractive Asian women enters. She told me her name but I can't remember it. She gave an ok massage (nothing great but not bad) and kept a towel over me throughout the massage. She had said I would get a table shower but it was more of a table bath. She used wet rags and some sort of sudsless shampoo to wash me right there in the room. Cleanup was done with wet rags and towels. Towards the end she started "brushing" up against my important parts and I responded appropriately to let her know I wanted more, but then she said "That's all" and when I asked if there was more she gave me a quizzical look.

She left the room and I got dressed. She hadn't asked for the house fee yet (80) so after she came back into the room I handed it to her. Another quizzical look and she said "how about my tip". I told her I only tip for extra service. She followed me out of the room and complained to mama-san (who I think was younger than my provider). Mama-san said "How about her tip" and I replied I only tip for extra service. Mama-san also gave me a quizzical look (do these people not realize they are in an AMP?) and started to protest but I stated I wouldn't be back and walked out. My recent experience was simiiar to yours. The lady at the front door that led me to the back room told me she was not the massage therapist. When I entered the room I was waiting for the therapist to come in. She was very old. Too old for my taste. I stayed anyways and regretted it. Weak massage and the so called table bath is just a hot towel and was nothing want I expected.

Oppen
04-22-11, 12:53
I saw Jennifer and am very glad that I did. She's beautiful, speaks good English, has shoulder length hair, has a curvy bombshell body, and is very engaging. During our session she told jokes, sang (and then made fun of her voice) , and was fun to spend time with.

The TS was great. Lots of soap and hit all the right places. She cleaned every part of my body.

Back in the room, I was really impressed with her massage technique. I like a hard massage and she was able to do that. It didn't feel rushed. As in the TS she worked over everything. She used a lot of hot towels to loosen up one area, and then would massage that area. Massage was 4. 5/5.

On the flip she allowed nursing on her spectacular top and then helped me relax. After the clean up and a bit more massage she helped me dress.

I hope she sticks around. She's great.

Computer Luvvv
04-24-11, 02:48
Saw Lisa, she used to be at Aroma back in the day. Nice looking, nice ass, shower was good, sauna, little dissapointed based on what friends have told me about "othet girls there" but left happy, .8 then. 4

Computer Luvvv
04-24-11, 02:51
I don't see any reports on this place, at least not in recognizable format. They have been advertising on CL forever. Could be a legit place, but something makes me think maybe not. Any intel would be most appreciated.TOFTT, we all have.

Amp Bum
04-24-11, 11:50
This is by the old Kim's. I forgot her name, but a Thai 35+ YO. 115# that I'd rate a 7; probably 9 in her prime, average TS and backwalk, invitingly playable C's, barely above average hand skills. The cost was. 8 for the hour + tip, and in and out in 35 minutes. Aside from the super-fun headlights I'd probably not repeat.

Any Mouse
04-24-11, 13:32
Interesting to note the ages in the following report:

For the week ending on April 20, there were two major incidents. 10 larcenies and one vehicle theft reported in the Sully District.

"ALLOWING UNLICENSED PERSONS TO PROVIDE MASSAGE SERVICES / OFFERING OR ADMINISTERING A MASSAGE FOR COMPENSATION WITHOUT A PERMIT / PROSTITUTION / ARREST: Police arrested three women involved with prostitution at Far East Therapy. 4229 LaFayette Center Drive #1775, on Saturday, April 16. Officers entered the business around 11:35 a. M. To determine if the employees were appropriately licensed to provide massage therapy services. Shortly after they entered, three women fled the store. They were apprehended and an investigation led to their arrests. Kwi I. Santellan. 56, of Woodbridge, VA, was charged with two counts of allowing an unlicensed person to provide massage services; Son M. Clemmons. 43, of Flushing, NY, was charged with offering or administering a massage for compensation without a permit; and Myong S, Yearby. 45, of College Point, NY, was charged with prostitution."

Max Beelyun
04-24-11, 15:29
I was going to go to the FCCC, but it's too far and I had to much to do today. Damn! Anyone have digits for something in Tysons?

Anyway, went to the second floor place. Got Joanne. Not a looker, but very nice and sensual. I felt good. And she gave me a hat. PM for details if you have previously posted reports.

Serpico99
04-24-11, 17:25
Green & Well in 7 Corners.

I found this place on BP and its on my way home from work so I thought I would give it a try. I didn't phone ahead, I just walked in. It was around 3pm and the parking lot was pretty active with cars going in and out, and its worse on Saturdays. The place is on the second floor to the left of a Doctors office. I was just hoping that no one would come out of the doctor's office before I could get in the parlor.I hit this spot today. I had Yung. She reminds me of the infamous CoCo from the Bay. Has an upbeat attitude, has that kind of raspy voice. Same physical features. She told me she just started there.

Approx. 5'4".135-ish. Long black hair, curly / wavy. No tatts so you can distinguish her from MJ that Hbutte had before. Good coversationalist. Late 30's, maybe hitting the big 40. Natural B / C cup. Decent body.

TS was nice, everything squeaky clean. Average massage before the flip, very good hot towel massage after the activities had finished. Did 100 without the full menu, because the TS was very nice (extra 20 for that). So 80 for things that seniors can pm about. I felt her out about having something on the side, and she seemed to be game if you get a good relationship going with her and she is somewhat attracted to you. I plan to follow up at least one more time to see if she would accept my offer. Be nice to her, she seems like a good provider if you want to hook something up on the side.

I would not worry about the office park. Most of the medical offices in this building cater to the recent immigrant community (Viet, Hispanic, etc.) so if someone sees you going up the stairs, I would not be embarassed by it. They have an inside door where you go in after climbing the stairs and can discreetly ring the bell without being seen.

Sleazebum
04-24-11, 18:24
I'd bet all of these were married to GIs and as soon as they got a green card they left him.

It happens! This is NOT trafficking!

JJ.


Interesting to note the ages in the following report:

For the week ending on April 20, there were two major incidents. 10 larcenies and one vehicle theft reported in the Sully District.

"ALLOWING UNLICENSED PERSONS TO PROVIDE MASSAGE SERVICES / OFFERING OR ADMINISTERING A MASSAGE FOR COMPENSATION WITHOUT A PERMIT / PROSTITUTION / ARREST: Police arrested three women involved with prostitution at Far East Therapy. 4229 LaFayette Center Drive #1775, on Saturday, April 16. Officers entered the business around 11:35 am To determine if the employees were appropriately licensed to provide massage therapy services. Shortly after they entered, three women fled the store. They were apprehended and an investigation led to their arrests. Kwi I. Santellan. 56, of Woodbridge, VA, was charged with two counts of allowing an unlicensed person to provide massage services; Son M. Clemmons. 43, of Flushing, NY, was charged with offering or administering a massage for compensation without a permit; and Myong S, Yearby. 45, of College Point, NY, was charged with prostitution."

Brutal One
04-24-11, 20:42
Well, after I lost track of all the Peach girls when they closed, I hit a few random AMPs that were all very average. After seeing here that Yoyo was now working at MWC, I decided to give it a shot.

I had to wait about 20 minutes for her to finish up with her last customer, but the wait was well worth it! She never fails to please and has amazing hands! Seniors can PM for more, as if most of you haven't already sampled her wares!

Mustang946
04-25-11, 10:24
This is by the old Kim's. I forgot her name, but a Thai 35+ YO. 115# that I'd rate a 7; probably 9 in her prime, average TS and backwalk, invitingly playable C's, barely above average hand skills. The cost was. 8 for the hour + tip, and in and out in 35 minutes. Aside from the super-fun headlights I'd probably not repeat.That sounds like May / Mai; not to be confused with the therapist at ST. I saw here a few months ago on a snowy Saturday. Not very motivated and just going through the motions. Did she have any artwork on her?

Mustang946
04-25-11, 10:35
Visited CTM on Friday afternoon and Sarah was my designated therapist. First off was a great extended TS with hot water loosening up this worn and tired old body. Back in the room, my choice of touch today was medium and it was delivered in excellent fashion followed by great hot towel therapy. Just what I needed to end a stressful week. I had not been to CTM in several years even though it is convenient. I will add to the rotation.

Justforme
04-25-11, 11:43
They all claimed to be 24 while providing.


Interesting to note the ages in the following report:

For the week ending on April 20, there were two major incidents. 10 larcenies and one vehicle theft reported in the Sully District.

"ALLOWING UNLICENSED PERSONS TO PROVIDE MASSAGE SERVICES / OFFERING OR ADMINISTERING A MASSAGE FOR COMPENSATION WITHOUT A PERMIT / PROSTITUTION / ARREST: Police arrested three women involved with prostitution at Far East Therapy. 4229 LaFayette Center Drive #1775, on Saturday, April 16. Officers entered the business around 11:35 am To determine if the employees were appropriately licensed to provide massage therapy services. Shortly after they entered, three women fled the store. They were apprehended and an investigation led to their arrests. Kwi I. Santellan. 56, of Woodbridge, VA, was charged with two counts of allowing an unlicensed person to provide massage services; Son M. Clemmons. 43, of Flushing, NY, was charged with offering or administering a massage for compensation without a permit; and Myong S, Yearby. 45, of College Point, NY, was charged with prostitution."

AznCajun
04-25-11, 13:47
Went to the fuzzy fruit, Chanel, wanted it up front but was worth it. Above NOVA service. Intoduced me to the other ladies, first time that's happened. Standard tip excellent serviceI stopped by a month ago, and MMS was new, and so were the rest of the girls. Introduced to a cute K-girl and when asked for her name, all she said was she was sent from heaven (FIRST TIME I HEARD THAT!) HAHA Paid the house fee. 8 and service was Yo-Yo-like (she raised the standards for me). TS was nice, and felt squeaky clean afterwards. I playfully offered to give her one, she giggled and said, SURE. But next time. Hmmmm.

The massage was very nice. Firm, attentive, and took care of all the right areas! I'm sorry I didn't press on for a name, but I will repeat and get it for why'all.

Facility was clean, service was good, and parking was ample. Definitely worth a repeat for me.

Tip =.60 (for the sweet personality and great service)

Later and be safe.

AC

AznCajun
04-25-11, 14:02
Lookin for info or opinions on pine tree or M&M which is better? Headin that way tomorrow and was hoping to have a good time.I can only speak for Pine for I've been there and if you can get Blue, worth the time and trip! Standard NOVA service (s)

Cheers!

AC

Rooster454
04-25-11, 19:26
Just curious if anyone has been to see one of these girls. I looked but haven't found any info anywhere on them. Any input is appreciated.

http://washingtondc.backpage.com/BodyRubs/hoottttt-russians-22/4635683

Lovejugs
04-26-11, 13:41
Just curious if anyone has been to see one of these girls. I looked but haven't found any info anywhere on them. Any input is appreciated.

http://washingtondc.backpage.com/BodyRubs/hoottttt-russians-22/4635683

I would say too good to be true.

Lovejugs

Bunker Buster
04-26-11, 14:24
Just curious if anyone has been to see one of these girls. I looked but haven't found any info anywhere on them. Any input is appreciated.

http://washingtondc.backpage.com/BodyRubs/hoottttt-russians-22/4635683



Http://www.tineye.com/search/232c65b9714339c1c3462725a19e4743a2670c74/

http://www.tineye.com/search/782c713b8ebc72cb4fcf49dc7961fdac04423d48/

Rooster454
04-26-11, 17:01
Http://www.tineye.com/search/232c65b9714339c1c3462725a19e4743a2670c74/

http://www.tineye.com/search/782c713b8ebc72cb4fcf49dc7961fdac04423d48/Haha how did I forget. Good call boss, I forgot the best tool

Amp Bum
04-27-11, 07:40
That sounds like May / Mai; not to be confused with the therapist at ST. I saw here a few months ago on a snowy Saturday. Not very motivated and just going through the motions. Did she have any artwork on her?No tattoos that I recall.

AB

Tapas
04-27-11, 08:19
Headed to a familiar spot in Vienna expecting another nice session.

Unfortunately what transpired leaves me looking for a new spot.

Saw Mia. Buxon with wavy hair with highlights. Those were the only highlights of the visit.

Full menu offered and but not served today.

After intense upsell and negotiation I elected to end the session midway through and less than happy.

Once a place I enjoyed frequenting though I always wondered if extensive menu would get them in trouble.

Now I don't have to worry about that. Will not be returning.

JesseLiver
04-27-11, 20:45
Just moved to this area from Texas. Tried ATMB in Arlington. I couldn't get in for the first 15 minutes the doorbell doesn't work or they simply didn't buzz me in. I have nothing great to say other than it was just mediocre. I think my masseur name was Jenny. She looked pretty decent in her 30's

6/10 Massage (decent at best)

6/10 Appearance

6/10 Atmosphere (seemed rush)

0/10 Table Shower (was never offerred one I thought it was advertised as available)

5/10 Price (nothing special)

7/10 Extras (standard finish)

Wahooboy94
04-27-11, 21:20
Obviously, a legit spot but one that I've wanted to visit for the past year.

Really an enjoyable time for a $35 entrance fee. Outstanding facilities. Superb bath area. I got there at 9 AM and left close to 1 PM.

After undressing and hitting the showers, I elected to pursue a body scrub and massage. Combined, it was $90 and included gratuity. Session ran for approximately 1 hour. The male provider did a sensational job punishing my body. Did it hurt like hell? Yes it did. Was it extremely therapeutic? Most certainly.

After the "owww" session, I hit the Bade Pool and sauna where I relaxed for the next few hours. Because it was so early, I pretty much had the place to myself.

If you've not been, I recommend it. I will certainly be back. Please note, everyone is nude in the Bade Pool area. I find it liberating. Some might not.

Wahooboy94
04-27-11, 21:23
On the way home from Spa World, I decided to hit Pine Tree since certain needs still needed to be met. This was my first visit in almost 2 years. Provider was Nana. Lovely girl. TS was fine. Dried me off in the sauna (tight fit). Standard massage with very nice NOVA finish. Will I be back? Sure, unfortunately Pine Tree is out of the way for me so if I do return it will probably be several months down the road.

AKFourtySeven
04-28-11, 07:46
You have to type in 103 and wait for them to pick up. They have never offered a table shower.

OneHitWonders
04-28-11, 11:00
Obviously, a legit spot but one that I've wanted to visit for the past year.

Really an enjoyable time for a $35 entrance fee. Outstanding facilities. Superb bath area. I got there at 9 AM and left close to 1 PM.

After undressing and hitting the showers, I elected to pursue a body scrub and massage. Combined, it was $90 and included gratuity. Session ran for approximately 1 hour. The male provider did a sensational job punishing my body. Did it hurt like hell? Yes it did. Was it extremely therapeutic? Most certainly.

After the "

owww

" session, I hit the Bade Pool and sauna where I relaxed for the next few hours. Because it was so early, I pretty much had the place to myself.

If you've not been, I recommend it. I will certainly be back. Please note, everyone is nude in the Bade Pool area. I find it liberating. Some might not. I have been to Spa World several times. I usually go late at night. You are right, this place provides good massages and has different types of sauna rooms. Upstairs you can get a massage from a female who also provides a therapeutic massage. Highly recommended.

OneHitWonders
04-28-11, 11:02
Headed to a familiar spot in Vienna expecting another nice session.

Unfortunately what transpired leaves me looking for a new spot.

Saw Mia. Buxon with wavy hair with highlights. Those were the only highlights of the visit.

Full menu offered and but not served today.

After intense upsell and negotiation I elected to end the session midway through and less than happy.

Once a place I enjoyed frequenting though I always wondered if extensive menu would get them in trouble.

Now I don't have to worry about that. Will not be returning. Too bad to hear service is declining here. Hopefully new staff will rotate in here soon!

Hondo17
04-28-11, 20:12
First time at Well Being, convenient location right off the beltway, mised in with other businesses. Got Kim, only had been there a couple of days, very pretty and slim and a great rack. Gave me a good TS and a great massage. THe flip was the standard NOVA but then she also massageh front also. Tipped $40 but she wasnt pleased but hey times are tough right now.

Capricaone
04-30-11, 00:05
I saw Lucky at Well Being and it too sucked. Rushed, pushy and whiny.

I miss Candi.

Bturino
04-30-11, 14:50
I went in because of the good reviews and reports from this forum. Man, RTFF paid off. I got there early afternoon, got Suzie, with a bubbly personality. Gave me a good accupressure massage and I felt real good. Started feeling her buns, did not hesitate so, I took to kissing and caressing. Standard HJ, could I have gotten more? You tell me. Overall, will RECOMMEND. If you like a nice relaxing massage, no worries, massage up and down and all over, THIS IS THE PLACE. I will go back at payday.

Clipperbomb
04-30-11, 17:11
MT was the first AMP I went to when I moved to VA a couple of years ago, and while I've been to a bunch around here, it remains the one that I've gotten the best service at. The only real problem with it is that the location sucks.

Went today, and it got to an all new high. I've been to AMPs around here, down in SoCal, and up in Providence, and as of today I have a new ATF, and I don't think anybody else will ever be able to catch up. If you go there, try and get Eva. Holy moly. Absolutely smoking body, and she did something nobody has ever done before. My word. Paid up front, and she's who I'm going to be giving my paycheck to for a while. 12 out of 10 service from Eva.

Trewaller
05-01-11, 14:23
It is right down the street on rt 29 by dunkin doughnts & goodyear. Any 411 on it?

Harley Dude 29
05-01-11, 15:59
Stopped by BWT off Backlick and got the third degree by Vicky. She wanted to know if I had been there before. Yes. Who I saw. Couldn't remember her name. What did she look like. WTF Dark hair, nice tits. And then she didn't seem to want me to stay, but went forward with the TS. It was good, and showed her areas to get especially clean. The session was uninspired. Some roaming but nothing under the covers. Ending session was standard NOVA, and no sense that it was unusual. Just remember, it must be important to know the name of your last visit person.

Roamin Roman
05-01-11, 16:22
Stopped by BWT off Backlick and got the third degree by Vicky. She wanted to know if I had been there before. Yes. Who I saw. Couldn't remember her name. What did she look like. WTF Dark hair, nice tits. And then she didn't seem to want me to stay, but went forward with the TS. It was good, and showed her areas to get especially clean. The session was uninspired. Some roaming but nothing under the covers. Ending session was standard NOVA, and no sense that it was unusual. Just remember, it must be important to know the name of your last visit person.Just got word from an occasional contact in the Fairfax County PD that LEO in adjoining jurisdictions are in process of conducting general sweep inspections of all known AMPs in the area, cracking down on places that don't have licensed staff. Rolled up Far East, per earlier post by AnyMouse, and put heat on Best and Papaya, as well. Some AMPs are laying low, others are being very cautious. Stay alert and stay safe.

R:R

Black Coffee
05-01-11, 17:38
It is right down the street on rt 29 by dunkin doughnts & goodyear. Any 411 on it?They have free parking and a front door.

Pcpc1688
05-01-11, 20:21
Stopped by BWT off Backlick and got the third degree by Vicky. She wanted to know if I had been there before. Yes. Who I saw. Couldn't remember her name. What did she look like. WTF Dark hair, nice tits. And then she didn't seem to want me to stay, but went forward with the TS. It was good, and showed her areas to get especially clean. The session was uninspired. Some roaming but nothing under the covers. Ending session was standard NOVA, and no sense that it was unusual. Just remember, it must be important to know the name of your last visit person.I would just say Coco, Candy, Yoko, Yoyo, Miki, Mocha, Susie, Sarah, Young, Yung, Sandy, Suki, Silly blah blah blah. Just choose one of these. They are part of the Korean massagi girl name guide thats given to all Ktechs during their orientation prior to working at one of these fine establishments.

Oh yeah forgot, Kimmy, Kumi, Koko, Mini, Momo, Daisey, Daffie, Ducky, Jaqui, Jackme??

PC out

Black Coffee
05-02-11, 00:40
To: Al-Qaida, the Taliban and their supporters worldwide.

From: The American people.

Subject: News announcement of May 1, 2011.

HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW?

I will be celebrating this week at my favorite AMP.

DamianJameson
05-02-11, 07:12
So I decided to go with M&M while I was in town and I can say I will definitely go back but it sucks I didn't catch my girls name (hard of hearing after Iraq) anyways walked up the steps and rang the bell. MMS let me in and took me to the back telling me my Masseuse was getting the room ready. She asked how long, so I paid $8 for the hour she walked me through the steps and what to do to get my HE well then the girl came and took me to the room I undressed and now for the TS.

It was nice and very hot to the point she kept asking if it was too hot but it felt great she got all the nooks and crannys making sure I was very clean and then back to the room after drying me off for the massage good massage medium pressure ending with a backwalk then the flip while she did the HJ she let me play with her firm C's.

I can honestly say that I left there thoroughly satisfied all together $8 for hr +$5 for tip I guess next stop is Pine Tree.

AMPlvr
05-02-11, 09:27
How much should I tip if I massage the provider? And I'm not talking about massaging the real soft parts. I'm talking about a massage actually better than the client usually receives, I. E, close to a professional swedish massage. And (if humanly possible) not directly touching her "naughty bits". Yes, I do massage the buttocks and the inner thighs up to the "Y" but no direct sexual contact. I say. 4 is fair. Thoughts? Note: and several soft kisses (not on lips) may also be required from client to provider.

Yakblat
05-02-11, 12:27
So I decided to go with M&M while I was in town and I can say I will definitely go back but it sucks I didn't catch my girls name (hard of hearing after Iraq) anyways walked up the steps and rang the bell. MMS let me in and took me to the back telling me my Masseuse was getting the room ready. She asked how long, so I paid $8 for the hour she walked me through the steps and what to do to get my HE well then the girl came and took me to the room I undressed and now for the TS.

It was nice and very hot to the point she kept asking if it was too hot but it felt great she got all the nooks and crannys making sure I was very clean and then back to the room after drying me off for the massage good massage medium pressure ending with a backwalk then the flip while she did the HJ she let me play with her firm C's.

I can honestly say that I left there thoroughly satisfied all together $8 for hr +$5 for tip I guess next stop is Pine Tree. That's the first good review of M&M that I've read. Yak

RoaminRonin
05-02-11, 14:14
Apparently Jennifer is no longer working at V&P.

Found that out today.

Mastabuck
05-02-11, 19:18
That's the first good review of M&M that I've read. YakI agree. My encounter with them did not go so well.

AznCajun
05-03-11, 17:06
On the way home from Spa World, I decided to hit Pine Tree since certain needs still needed to be met. This was my first visit in almost 2 years. Provider was Nana. Lovely girl. TS was fine. Dried me off in the sauna (tight fit). Standard massage with very nice NOVA finish. Will I be back? Sure, unfortunately Pine Tree is out of the way for me so if I do return it will probably be several months down the road.I stopped by Pine last week on the way home from work, and the only person available was Linda (mamasan). I guess I may have arrived too early? I should have left but decided to TOFTT. It was my first time with MMS and possibly my last. Service was okay, attitude was fine, TS was thorough, but play was very limited. Standard NOVA finish. .80 for the hour and. 40 for tip.

Nana sounds like a new girl. Blue and Hannah was said "to never coming back"

Be safe!

-AC

Ambidextrous
05-04-11, 04:33
80 / hr for massage. Drew "Candy", Korean, said she was 32. So-so body and face. Got going on the massage, and I asked her to undress. She wanted to negotiate tip, I gave her 100, but I had the feeling she would have done it for a little less. She suggested 69, so I went ahead (her on top) but I think she used her hand. That was it. A so-so experience. I will go back, but next time I will ask for someone else.

Fatpig
05-04-11, 08:28
Cherry was provider. Older, lots lots makeup. Massage was actually pretty good. On the flip there was wondering but nothing came off. She had a bit of a belly. Standard. Got standard tip. Will I go back. Not to see her. Michelle the MMS is older face but I just find her so attractive. She has bolt ons that are like bricks though, still. .

Enjoy.

Yoyo Spa
05-04-11, 14:44
I would just say Coco, Candy, Yoko, Yoyo, Miki, Mocha, Susie, Sarah, Young, Yung, Sandy, Suki, Silly blah blah blah. Just choose one of these. They are part of the Korean massagi girl name guide thats given to all Ktechs during their orientation prior to working at one of these fine establishments.

Oh yeah forgot, Kimmy, Kumi, Koko, Mini, Momo, Daisey, Daffie, Ducky, Jaqui, Jackme?

PC out*LOL* I usually go with Coco or Koko. Depends on my mood. Either way it gets me in the door.

StoneMill
05-04-11, 23:16
First time was great had Marie cute girl C cups GFE, great massage standard nova finish for $60 for the house and $40 tip. I called back the next day and asked if Marie was working MMS said yes, I get there 30 minutes later and MMS told me Marie was off that day. So I decided to get a massage from some other girl and it was terrible and I was being rushed and I over paid, will not be going back.

Volvos40
05-05-11, 11:34
There was a tall thin k-girl, very good english, that used to work at V&P, now is at Herndon Therapy.


Apparently Jennifer is no longer working at V&P.

Found that out today.

FlutterTongue
05-05-11, 13:14
Worst experience. Been there before and decided to give it another try. Tried someone new who used to work at a diff "fruitful" place. TS was good and that was all about it. Bad massage, she was sweating and turned off the fan and took time to cool herself off. On the flip, standard NOVA (nothing extra ordinary). I've seen much younger providers (in garden) who are much much more fun.

Total rip off. Won't repeat. Okay. So it's not only me. I've been there twice and I've seen "Tina" and "Beauty" and both demanded a higher tip. I'm sorry, but. 4 is my limit for a HJ and anything that comes with it. MMS is cool, but the staff turns you off with these extra requests.

Mastabuck
05-05-11, 23:43
The other day after pulling up to peach and crown and noticing quite a few cars outside with males waiting in them I decided that it was time that someone dipped their chico stic into a new provider and certify that there are more NOVA options.

http://washingtondc.backpage.com/BodyRubs/falls-church-premier-mens-spa-32/4668030

Searched backpage and decided to go to "Falls Church Premier Mens Spa." I do not know if this is the name of the spa but that is what it appears to be in the advertisement. Headed over to an office park off the pike and headed up to a second story suite that did not even have the name of the spa but the name of the former resident, a Doctors Office. Secluded parking, fairly easy to find. Long story short, standard Nova finish and tip, good massage, ts and all of the other goodies expected in this area. Seeing that this is the only review of this establishment, YMMV. I will personally go again, especially with you guys sitting outside of other well known establishments in your cars waiting for the mamasan to let you in.

Mongeroose
05-06-11, 19:50
Anyone willing to share the number for the FCCC via PM?

Thanks

Willa36
05-06-11, 22:53
Did the Tree last night. Saw Mina? Said she had been there a couple of days. Not a real looker and the massage was mediocre. Good attitude. Standard nova finish. This place seriously needs to upgrade the quality of their girls. I don't need beauty queens but attractive would be nice for 80 to the house.

Xray84
05-07-11, 07:39
First post.

They advertise on backpage using that and several other names, most often as Mickeys Massage or Mickey and Lee. Been there 3 times, and it is standard nova. Massage can be very firm, which I like, others might want it backed off a bit. The rooms are nice, but the location has some issues. Parking is discrete, since it's in an office park, but it is directly above another office with windows and they watch you walk past to go up the stairs; clearly everyone knows what's going on, so try hard to be casual. I've seen Mickey each time, but I believe there are 3 therapists who work at different hours. Her approach is that it is a very good legit massage with suddenly a little more at the end. I think that's the extent of it and the quick transition to the finale is a little disconcerting. Overall, I think this is like ATMB was long ago, good massage with a little extra.

Foxfax
05-07-11, 17:01
I started seeing ads for this location on BP earlier this month, and decided to check it out. It's a little bit south of the beltway off the GW Parkway. The location is in an office building that's set back from the road, with plenty of parking all around. The doors to the building are open, and you can take the stairs or ride the elevator to the second floor. The spa door is easy to find, with the standard doorbell entry.

I was greeted by Mamasan, who showed me to an empty room. The walls all go to the ceiling and each has its own door. There is an abundant supply of fresh towels, and I think each room also has its own sink. I noticed the table in my room didn't have the normal paper or towel spread out across the padding, so I laid a towel out.

My therapist was May, a nice-looking lady in her 30s. She speaks English very well, which made conversation easier than it is some other places. House fees are. 6 for the half, .8 for the hour. I opted for the hour session since my muscles were feeling rather tight. She collected the fee and departed, but returned promptly. She offered me a stand-up shower, (they don't have a table shower). I accepted, and once I was done (it was a solo shower) went back to the room.

She asked if lotion was ok (it is for me) , and then she went to work. Her skills as a massage therapist were well above average, I was close to dozing most of the time while she was working the kinks out. During the session she did not touch any "sensitive" areas, and all roaming was discouraged. On the flip, it was clear that only a standard finish was on the menu. Normal rates apply, I tipped. 6. There was an implication that regular customers might expect more. However, I think it would take awhile for things to progress to that point, if they ever did.

Overall, an excellent massage in a nice location, with a little extra available.

Alpha D
05-07-11, 20:26
Had a great time recently with YoYo. She is the perfect definition of BBW. Not fat like most BBWs want us to accept. YoYo is tall, thick, sexy, with firm assets, and not sloppy at all. Very good massage and back walk was great. She aimed to please from start to finish. Mamasan knew me, so there was no pressure. YoYo is mid 20s, Korean, good English, pretty, soft, skin, fantastic eyes. I will be back.

This is a great place with good management who want to take care of us. Treat the girls right.

AD

Alpha D
05-07-11, 20:27
First post.

They advertise on backpage using that and several other names, most often as Mickeys Massage or Mickey and Lee. Been there 3 times, and it is standard nova. Massage can be very firm, which I like, others might want it backed off a bit. The rooms are nice, but the location has some issues. Parking is discrete, since it's in an office park, but it is directly above another office with windows and they watch you walk past to go up the stairs; clearly everyone knows what's going on, so try hard to be casual. I've seen Mickey each time, but I believe there are 3 therapists who work at different hours. Her approach is that it is a very good legit massage with suddenly a little more at the end. I think that's the extent of it and the quick transition to the finale is a little disconcerting. Overall, I think this is like ATMB was long ago, good massage with a little extra. I have been there a number of times. Will continue to go. But they must have just added the TS. Until recently, it was a stand up shower.

AD

Lovejugs
05-08-11, 22:44
Decided to venture out to a place I have never been before. Arrived and asked for an hour. For some reason the women who met me at the door kept insisting on 30 mins. So, I said sure, whatever. Talent comes in the room. Said her name was Kris or Cris. Average body. Face was pretty plain. No TS offered. Massage was very average. Flip. Asked if I could see the ladies. She said would be "Very, very expensive." WTF? Got a standard NOVA finish with no roaming. Probably won't go back. .4 tipped.

Lovejugs

Richmond Mas
05-08-11, 23:55
Decided to venture out to a place I have never been before. Arrived and asked for an hour. For some reason the women who met me at the door kept insisting on 30 mins. So, I said sure, whatever. Talent comes in the room. Said her name was Kris or Cris. Average body. Face was pretty plain. No TS offered. Massage was very average. Flip. Asked if I could see the ladies. She said would be "Very, very expensive." WTF? Got a standard NOVA finish with no roaming. Probably won't go back. .4 tipped.

LovejugsI have never heard of anyone insisting on 30 min. Strange operation there. I wouldn't tip. 4 for crap services like that. Where is this place. Make sure I am not going next time.

Lovejugs
05-09-11, 01:06
I have never heard of anyone insisting on 30 min. Strange operation there. I wouldn't tip. 4 for crap services like that. Where is this place. Make sure I am not going next time.Herndon Therapy. I am pretty sure they wanted to leave early being that it was a Sunday. At the end of my visit she said "You should get an hour next time." I told her I requested an hour THIS time. She said they were busy. BS. I know there was at least two girls there and one customer left right before Cris came in. There wasn't one door bell ring while I was there, so they didn't sound busy to me.

Lovejugs

Bysshe
05-09-11, 13:36
I had written this place off a while ago because their table shower was a tiled surface with a thin mat on top of it, and when the soap and water was in play, I felt like I was an air hockey puck during a power play. And for the first time ever in an AMP I did NOT want to score!

But a found myself with a bit of extra cash and some time to spend yesterday, driving right by. So I decided to stop in and give them another shot.

Very glad I did. TS has been replaced with a sturdy table surface and a coefficient of friction that doesn't give me heart failure. Drew Yoyo, very cute, not lacking in the chest department at all. TS was excellent, attention paid to all the right places, and roaming encouraged during the deed. Nice tease where I thought she might go the BBBJ route, although in the end she planted lots of little bare kisses up and down (BBK?) the actual deed was standard NOVA. Still, .8 for the extensive roaming, exploration, and total experience. Will be back.

Capricaone
05-09-11, 23:25
Having been a frequent flier in the DC establishments all before the latest commotion, I'm itching to hit something Chinese. How can I get in touch with the FCCC I sometimes read about? I saw Sleazebum posted three numbers a year back but there was that whole cryptic only 1 of them is the real number. Can someone PM me the magic digits? And is the process any different from the trusty ol' AMPs?

Ambidextrous
05-10-11, 23:50
Second visit. 80 / hr for the house (how much of that does the girl get?). Drew 'Sophia, ' Korean, said she was 28. Fairly attractive, pretty good English. She wanted to negotiate prices before giving any extra service. The ensuing give-and-take was not entirely unpleasant because we were both frank and a little playful (though I'd rather get the services and just tip as I feel, price negotiations can spoil the mood). Said she wanted to be safe, but when I produced a condom and proposed FS, no go. I was thirsty, asked for water. When she brought it back into the room she asked, 'Do I make you thirsty? ' I said, 'Yes – and excited! .

She eventually disrobed, let me go down on her, nice and clean, then I straddled her and she finished me between her tits. Some of my stuff ran down her neck and onto her hair, which upset her: 'Now I have to take a shower! ' Then she said tip of 100 was not enough. I had done my best to make it enjoyable for her as well as myself, so I suggested gently that 100 was pretty sweet for what we had done. That just made her madder. I thought I was being fair and left with spirits lifted despite the disagreement. What can I say, the intimacy and release just makes me feel great, that's why I go to AMPs. Good clean fun.

How about a new acronym. ALF = Asian I'd like to, uh, be Friends with. AMPs are full of ALFs. What do you think?

Bunker Buster
05-11-11, 15:19
Second visit. 80 / hr for the house (how much of that does the girl get?). Drew 'Sophia, ' Korean, said she was 28. Fairly attractive, pretty good English. She wanted to negotiate prices before giving any extra service. The ensuing give-and-take was not entirely unpleasant because we were both frank and a little playful (though I'd rather get the services and just tip as I feel, price negotiations can spoil the mood). Said she wanted to be safe, but when I produced a condom and proposed FS, no go. I was thirsty, asked for water. When she brought it back into the room she asked, 'Do I make you thirsty? ' I said, 'Yes – and excited! .

She eventually disrobed, let me go down on her, nice and clean, then I straddled her and she finished me between her tits. Some of my stuff ran down her neck and onto her hair, which upset her: 'Now I have to take a shower! ' Then she said tip of 100 was not enough. I had done my best to make it enjoyable for her as well as myself, so I suggested gently that 100 was pretty sweet for what we had done. That just made her madder. I thought I was being fair and left with spirits lifted despite the disagreement. What can I say, the intimacy and release just makes me feel great, that's why I go to AMPs. Good clean fun.

How about a new acronym. ALF = Asian I'd like to, uh, be Friends with. AMPs are full of ALFs. What do you think? 100 was way too much for what she did. Don't fool yourself that the negotiation was in any way playful, or that the session was in any way intimate; that was sheer mercenary business on her part.

Sleazebum
05-11-11, 17:01
Where is this place?

JJ


Second visit. 80 / hr for the house (how much of that does the girl get?). Drew 'Sophia, ' Korean, said she was 28. Fairly attractive, pretty good English. She wanted to negotiate prices before giving any extra service. The ensuing give-and-take was not entirely unpleasant because we were both frank and a little playful (though I'd rather get the services and just tip as I feel, price negotiations can spoil the mood). Said she wanted to be safe, but when I produced a condom and proposed FS, no go. I was thirsty, asked for water. When she brought it back into the room she asked, 'Do I make you thirsty? ' I said, 'Yes – and excited! .

She eventually disrobed, let me go down on her, nice and clean, then I straddled her and she finished me between her tits. Some of my stuff ran down her neck and onto her hair, which upset her: 'Now I have to take a shower! ' Then she said tip of 100 was not enough. I had done my best to make it enjoyable for her as well as myself, so I suggested gently that 100 was pretty sweet for what we had done. That just made her madder. I thought I was being fair and left with spirits lifted despite the disagreement. What can I say, the intimacy and release just makes me feel great, that's why I go to AMPs. Good clean fun.

How about a new acronym. ALF = Asian I'd like to, uh, be Friends with. AMPs are full of ALFs. What do you think?

Ambidextrous
05-11-11, 18:03
Searched backpage and decided to go to "Falls Church Premier Mens Spa." I do not know if this is the name of the spa but that is what it appears to be in the advertisement. Headed over to an office park off the pike and headed up to a second story suite that did not even have the name of the spa but the name of the former resident, a Doctors Office. Secluded parking, fairly easy to find. Long story short, standard Nova finish and tip, good massage, ts and all of the other goodies expected in this area. Seeing that this is the only review of this establishment, YMMV. I will personally go again, especially with you guys sitting outside of other well known establishments in your cars waiting for the mamasan to let you in.I was there about a month ago. I found Miki quite attractive. 40s but pretty and well built, but she steadfastly refused to allow touching or to disrobe. Quick hand finish. I was disappointed and told her so. She said all the girls there were the same and advised me to "go to DC" for what I wanted. At the end she said she had a husband, so I guess their agreement is she gives handys but no more. I tipped 20 anyway and we parted ways with a smile and a knowing glance that said, well, I guess we won't be seeing each other again.

Roamin Roman
05-11-11, 21:22
Anyone willing to share the number for the FCCC via PM?

Thanks
Having been a frequent flier in the DC establishments all before the latest commotion, I'm itching to hit something Chinese. How can I get in touch with the FCCC I sometimes read about? I saw Sleazebum posted three numbers a year back but there was that whole cryptic only 1 of them is the real number. Can someone PM me the magic digits? And is the process any different from the trusty ol' AMPs?Hmmm. Suddenly, an interest in the FCCC from a few new-ish members. Might be good to establish the bona fides first, before divulging the digits. Not to say these two fellows have the whiff of bacon about them, but one must be careful to keep the safety and security of the pearls as Priority #1.

R:R

Olgnome
05-12-11, 10:30
Where is this place?

JJThe title Ambi used included the parenthetical note 5015 LH, which I take to be ATMB at 5015 Lee Highway.

Justforme
05-12-11, 13:09
But I was PM'ed with the contact. I agree a good thing I would not want to put at risk so for the newer persons who asked I will tell you, this contact I originally got from a Newspaper I picked up out of one of the street boxes in DC; worth every Penny.

Good luck and let me know if you find sex young (legal age) beauties.


Hmmm. Suddenly, an interest in the FCCC from a few new-ish members. Might be good to establish the bona fides first, before divulging the digits. Not to say these two fellows have the whiff of bacon about them, but one must be careful to keep the safety and security of the pearls as Priority #1.

R:R

MoonView
05-12-11, 16:35
What the heck is an fccc / tccc? Can anyone PM me.

Anyway...Oh yeah, Vickie has been replaced by Cindy, nice kid but doesn't offer the "natural & deep" approach vickie did, FYI!

MnV

Pcpc1688
05-12-11, 17:40
What the heck is an fccc / tccc? Can anyone PM me.

Anyway. Oh yeah, Vickie has been replaced by Cindy, nice kid but doesn't offer the "natural & deep" approach vickie did, FYI!

MnVMoonie,

One is Tysons Condo.

One is Fairfax Condo.

PC out

Pcpc1688
05-12-11, 17:45
Decided to venture out to a place I have never been before. Arrived and asked for an hour. For some reason the women who met me at the door kept insisting on 30 mins. So, I said sure, whatever. Talent comes in the room. Said her name was Kris or Cris. Average body. Face was pretty plain. No TS offered. Massage was very average. Flip. Asked if I could see the ladies. She said would be "Very, very expensive." WTF? Got a standard NOVA finish with no roaming. Probably won't go back. .4 tipped.

LovejugsJugs,

I had Chris as well alittle while back. She did think quite highly of herself for sure. Anyway, I would avoid next time as she isn't all that but I did taste the twat and it wasnt bad. LOL.

PC out

MoonView
05-12-11, 18:07
Moonie,

One is Tysons Condo.

One is Fairfax Condo.

PC outThanks PC. You're the best, check your box buddy!

MnV

Ambidextrous
05-12-11, 22:38
Wanted to try an AMP I just heard about called Swan, I think it just opened. The lady who ushered me in on arrival looked promising, but a different girl, overweight and plain, came into the room to do the deed. Deal-breaker. I asked if there was another girl available, she said no. I edged out the door, apologizing profusely. She seemed to take it ok, said to come back another time.

So it's off to 5015 for a third visit. Peeled off four 20s for the house. Drew 'Alisa' or 'Alicia, ' Japanese, said she was 32 but looked younger. Fairly cute, so-so body, nice soft skin. Did this young lady show me a good time! Lots of roaming, disrobed willingly, gave me full access (I didn't propose FS, but had the feeling it might have been a go) , didn't negotiate tip in advance, did a leisurely tour of my body with hands and lips, nice gentle touch, BB kisses, finished with a 69. She was respectful, almost worshipful, good eye contact, a bit of an actress but who cares, I felt like a freakin king. What a pleasure after some of these girls who don't have a clue how to please a guy. Only funny thing was that she didn't encourage conversation, answered my questions only briefly and ventured none of her own. Declined to give me her digits at the end. I felt generous and tipped $.

Grabbed a couple of burritos to go at the Taco Bell a couple of doors down, drove home and slid into my easy chair in time for the tipoff of the playoff game. Sweet. Derrick Rose is not the only one who scored tonight.

Xray84
05-12-11, 23:09
I was there about a month ago. I found Miki quite attractive. 40s but pretty and well built, but she steadfastly refused to allow touching or to disrobe. Quick hand finish. I was disappointed and told her so. She said all the girls there were the same and advised me to "go to DC" for what I wanted. At the end she said she had a husband, so I guess their agreement is she gives handys but no more. I tipped 20 anyway and we parted ways with a smile and a knowing glance that said, well, I guess we won't be seeing each other again.This is very much my experience in 3 visits, but some liberal up top roaming was allowed. She is cute, though.

Capricaone
05-12-11, 23:47
Hmmm. Suddenly, an interest in the FCCC from a few new-ish members. Might be good to establish the bona fides first, before divulging the digits. Not to say these two fellows have the whiff of bacon about them, but one must be careful to keep the safety and security of the pearls as Priority #1.

R:RSometimes the paranoia amuses. R:R I doubt its a secret as all these places advertise. They are bound to be in some paper or on BP at some point. I'm just being lazy about it and would prefer to visit a place that's gotten positive reviews versus taking the potential hit of visiting a random place. I've hung around this site for years going back to before Vermont got busted and became a NOVA std place. I've seen the interior of practically every place in DC, including my favorite Orange (boy did I get bummed when that place shut down). But never felt like posting anything or asking questions. Probably because for the first few years I was all paranoid myself but by now I really don't give a fuck. The coppers all know where the parties are at and its only because they have better things to do that they leave them alone. Sure sometimes they roll up a few that were becoming too conspicuous but for the most part its not a big deal. So if you want to share, its appreciated. And if you do, well I'll still enjoy hanging out and being an observer here.

MoonView
05-13-11, 10:50
Sometimes the paranoia amuses. R:R I doubt its a secret as all these places advertise. They are bound to be in some paper or on BP at some point. I'm just being lazy about it and would prefer to visit a place that's gotten positive reviews versus taking the potential hit of visiting a random place. I've hung around this site for years going back to before Vermont got busted and became a NOVA std place. I've seen the interior of practically every place in DC, including my favorite Orange (boy did I get bummed when that place shut down). But never felt like posting anything or asking questions. Probably because for the first few years I was all paranoid myself but by now I really don't give a fuck. The coppers all know where the parties are at and its only because they have better things to do that they leave them alone. Sure sometimes they roll up a few that were becoming too conspicuous but for the most part its not a big deal. So if you want to share, its appreciated. And if you do, well I'll still enjoy hanging out and being an observer here.You missed his points.

Sure "coppers" know and yes they have better things to do, we all know that but just because you don't "give a fuck" maybe some of us do. So the less publicity (ie drawing unwanted attention) the better for obvious reasons as one of us who "cares" might be the unlucky one that gets pinched on that particular raid. Got it, understand?

As for hanging out and just observing; sure you can get by on that but you will find yourself missing out on of a lot of good intel through PMs, info that never sees the light of day on the site's public posting forum. So I hope newbies find themselves wanting to become contributors vs observers, and not just waiting for the scraps to fall from the table.

Good luck with it.

MnV

Redlaw
05-13-11, 20:08
Wanted to try an AMP I just heard about called Swan, I think it just opened. The lady who ushered me in on arrival looked promising, but a different girl, overweight and plain, came into the room to do the deed. Deal-breaker. I asked if there was another girl available, she said no. I edged out the door, apologizing profusely. She seemed to take it ok, said to come back another time.

So it's off to 5015 for a third visit. Peeled off four 20s for the house. Drew 'Alisa' or 'Alicia, ' Japanese, said she was 32 but looked younger. Fairly cute, so-so body, nice soft skin. Did this young lady show me a good time! Lots of roaming, disrobed willingly, gave me full access (I didn't propose FS, but had the feeling it might have been a go) , didn't negotiate tip in advance, did a leisurely tour of my body with hands and lips, nice gentle touch, BB kisses, finished with a 69. She was respectful, almost worshipful, good eye contact, a bit of an actress but who cares, I felt like a freakin king. What a pleasure after some of these girls who don't have a clue how to please a guy. Only funny thing was that she didn't encourage conversation, answered my questions only briefly and ventured none of her own. Declined to give me her digits at the end. I felt generous and tipped $.

Grabbed a couple of burritos to go at the Taco Bell a couple of doors down, drove home and slid into my easy chair in time for the tipoff of the playoff game. Sweet. Derrick Rose is not the only one who scored tonight.Swan is nothing new at all. Anything right on the street is no big secret, really. Been there many times and it is always a mixed bag. Never anything to write home, or here about. For the money and the need, there are better places and girls IMHO. Happy hunting.

Olgnome
05-13-11, 20:38
Wanted to try an AMP I just heard about called Swan, I think it just opened.Swan has been Swan for a couple of years; before that it was Eagle for ages. Not a new place; never been one of my faves.

Yakblat
05-14-11, 11:53
Will someone please tell me how to get posts deleted? What is the process or who do I ask to do it?

Thanks,

Yak

Mustang946
05-14-11, 22:12
Visited Spa Castle yesterday on way home from work. My visit was similar to previous visits. Great TS, some extended time in the sauna (at my request) , and then a great massage from Candy. I have seen her before and will see her in the future. She said business was slow (I was only customer at the moment). A couple of customers arrived near the end of my session and a couple more arrived as I was starting up my car to leave so I guess I got there at the right time. All in all a great way to finish the work week and start the weekend.

Volvos40
05-15-11, 09:40
So I'd seen this ad, 'attractive Asian for massage' or similiar, near Fairfax Hospitol, for $120. So I check it out. She has to let me in, unamed door on 2nd floor across from legitimate Drs office. Cute little Chinese chick, nice little business office with about 3 massage rooms. No TS. I paid up front. I soon realize that she has zero massage skills. I mean nothing. She just coos and flirts and teases. After 30min I flip, play with her B cups, she finishes me off standard. I feel bad for her, and shell another. 3, and tell he that I'll come back. Not.

Scratch this one off your list.

AKFourtySeven
05-15-11, 10:01
I got a BBBJCIM from a girl who worked there when it was Eagle. Unfortunatly she went on bacation shortly after. This was in Winter of '05 so don't mob the place.

I haven't been in there in years. I thought they were shut down.

LexLuther
05-15-11, 14:09
Wanted to try an AMP I just heard about called Swan, I think it just opened. The lady who ushered me in on arrival looked promising, but a different girl, overweight and plain, came into the room to do the deed. Deal-breaker. I asked if there was another girl available, she said no. I edged out the door, apologizing profusely. She seemed to take it ok, said to come back another time.

So it's off to 5015 for a third visit. Peeled off four 20s for the house. Drew 'Alisa' or 'Alicia, ' Japanese, said she was 32 but looked younger. Fairly cute, so-so body, nice soft skin. Did this young lady show me a good time! Lots of roaming, disrobed willingly, gave me full access (I didn't propose FS, but had the feeling it might have been a go) , didn't negotiate tip in advance, did a leisurely tour of my body with hands and lips, nice gentle touch, BB kisses, finished with a 69. She was respectful, almost worshipful, good eye contact, a bit of an actress but who cares, I felt like a freakin king. What a pleasure after some of these girls who don't have a clue how to please a guy. Only funny thing was that she didn't encourage conversation, answered my questions only briefly and ventured none of her own. Declined to give me her digits at the end. I felt generous and tipped $.

Grabbed a couple of burritos to go at the Taco Bell a couple of doors down, drove home and slid into my easy chair in time for the tipoff of the playoff game. Sweet. Derrick Rose is not the only one who scored tonight. FWIW, the concept of a Japanese provider is like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. For the most part, it doesn't exist. Even in Honolulu, which has more Asians per square inch than any other city in the country, you will find no true Japanese. You will find lots of Koreans, Thais, Viets, even Filipinas pretending to be Japanese. But no real Japanese providers. It's an urban myth my friend.

If you can even find a girl who speaks Japanese, it's most probably a Korean girl who has lived in Japan. They somehow think they up their credibility or value by claiming to be Japanese. And judging by the number of guys who fantasize that they have been with a Japanese provider, there must be some truth to their assumptions.

LexLuther

Bunker Buster
05-15-11, 14:56
So I'd seen this ad, 'attractive Asian for massage' or similiar, near Fairfax Hospitol, for $120. So I check it out. She has to let me in, unamed door on 2nd floor across from legitimate Drs office. Cute little Chinese chick, nice little business office with about 3 massage rooms. No TS. I paid up front. I soon realize that she has zero massage skills. I mean nothing. She just coos and flirts and teases. After 30min I flip, play with her B cups, she finishes me off standard. I feel bad for her, and shell another. 3, and tell he that I'll come back. Not.

Scratch this one off your list. You paid 120 for a lousy massage, why would you feel bad for her and shell out even more? A high-quality massage and topless flip from a woman who has spent a lot of her own time and money to acquire massage skills and a license is 120, total.

Other types of women spend their efforts learning how to put on a sad face and manipulate overpaying customers into tipping even more. They are more skilled in breaking down psychological barriers than in giving massage. No need to succumb. Hold the line; you'll feel better after you leave.

Purge the undeserved guilt from your mind, and go out with a healthier respect for your own wallet and what you are entitled (repeat, entitled) to for the hard-earned money you're spending.

Finally, why not give the rest of us enough information so we know who to avoid? Let's try to put the bad ones out of business.

Bunker Buster
05-15-11, 15:22
FWIW, the concept of a Japanese provider is like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. For the most part, it doesn't exist. Even in Honolulu, which has more Asians per square inch than any other city in the country, you will find no true Japanese. You will find lots of Koreans, Thais, Viets, even Filipinas pretending to be Japanese. But no real Japanese providers. It's an urban myth my friend.

If you can even find a girl who speaks Japanese, it's most probably a Korean girl who has lived in Japan. They somehow think they up their credibility or value by claiming to be Japanese. And judging by the number of guys who fantasize that they have been with a Japanese provider, there must be some truth to their assumptions.

LexLutherAMPs and sushi restaurants are all named Ginza, Kyoto, Samurai, Shogun, Osaka, and other Japanese words, but the owners and staff are invariably Korean. Say Hello, or please in Japanese to a sushi chef; good luck finding one who answers, and doesn't just nod his head and pretend he understands.

LexLuther
05-15-11, 16:09
AMPs and sushi restaurants are all named Ginza, Kyoto, Samurai, Shogun, Osaka, and other Japanese words, but the owners and staff are invariably Korean. Say Hello, or please in Japanese to a sushi chef; good luck finding one who answers, and doesn't just nod his head and pretend he understands.Too true unforunately. But let's be thankful for two things:

1.) Korean people have a long history of eating raw fish somewhat similar to that found in Japanese cuisine.

2.) Korean women have pussies very similar to Japanese pussies.

3.) Many Korean women do not shave their pussies.

Ok. That was three things.

LexLuther

Ambidextrous
05-15-11, 18:58
FWIW, the concept of a Japanese provider is like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. For the most part, it doesn't exist. Even in Honolulu, which has more Asians per square inch than any other city in the country, you will find no true Japanese. You will find lots of Koreans, Thais, Viets, even Filipinas pretending to be Japanese. But no real Japanese providers. It's an urban myth my friend.

If you can even find a girl who speaks Japanese, it's most probably a Korean girl who has lived in Japan. They somehow think they up their credibility or value by claiming to be Japanese. And judging by the number of guys who fantasize that they have been with a Japanese provider, there must be some truth to their assumptions.

LexLutherThanks Lex. It's true that this provider said she was Japanese and I took that at face value. I couldn't tell from her appearance, and I didn't know Japanese are considered more desirable than Korean. Personally I'm attracted to Asians of all nationalities, especially Indians who seem never to work in MPs in this area.

Happy hunting.

Roamin Roman
05-15-11, 19:09
Sometimes the paranoia amuses. R:R I doubt its a secret as all these places advertise. They are bound to be in some paper or on BP at some point. I'm just being lazy about it and would prefer to visit a place that's gotten positive reviews versus taking the potential hit of visiting a random place. I've hung around this site for years going back to before Vermont got busted and became a NOVA std place. I've seen the interior of practically every place in DC, including my favorite Orange (boy did I get bummed when that place shut down). But never felt like posting anything or asking questions. Probably because for the first few years I was all paranoid myself but by now I really don't give a fuck. The coppers all know where the parties are at and its only because they have better things to do that they leave them alone. Sure sometimes they roll up a few that were becoming too conspicuous but for the most part its not a big deal. So if you want to share, its appreciated. And if you do, well I'll still enjoy hanging out and being an observer here.MoonView hit the nail on the head, Capri. It's not that we're averse to sharing intel; we do it all the time on these borads, but the primo stuff is shared via back-channel. That way, it doesn't cause a place or a provider to get higher on LEO's radar screen. Remember, LEO has limited resources. Granted, those resources are plentiful, but they're not infinite. They still need to be reasonably efficient. So, even though they probably know about all of these places (or, at least the AMPs, but maybe not the CCs) , they're likely going to target the ones that are operating flagrantly. The only times they'll go after the run-of-the-mill stuff are when they need to show they're "really crackin' down" on these places or when election time is rolling around. So, we're not going to just give out the numbers or locations of the best places to any ol' clown that asks.

And, with regard to your long-time membership on this forum, if you've been mooching off of the fruits of other mongers' labor and experience for so long, then I sure as heck ain't going to give out any stuff to you. You earn your cred by what you post (and share back-channel). The information that mongers share on these boards was gained through the expenditures of their hard-earned dollars and their valuable and limited personal time. If you think yourself somehow different, or just want to be lazy, fine. You get out of this board what you put into it. But, the more you put into it, the more dividends you'll gain.

RR


You missed his points.

Sure "coppers" know and yes they have better things to do, we all know that but just because you don't "give a fuck" maybe some of us do. So the less publicity (ie drawing unwanted attention) the better for obvious reasons as one of us who "cares" might be the unlucky one that gets pinched on that particular raid. Got it, understand?

As for hanging out and just observing; sure you can get by on that but you will find yourself missing out on of a lot of good intel through PMs, info that never sees the light of day on the site's public posting forum. So I hope newbies find themselves wanting to become contributors vs observers, and not just waiting for the scraps to fall from the table.

Good luck with it.

MnV

MrSunnyHills
05-15-11, 20:21
You paid 120 for a lousy massage, why would you feel bad for her and shell out even more? A high-quality massage and topless flip from a woman who has spent a lot of her own time and money to acquire massage skills and a license is 120, total.

Other types of women spend their efforts learning how to put on a sad face and manipulate overpaying customers into tipping even more. They are more skilled in breaking down psychological barriers than in giving massage. No need to succumb. Hold the line; you'll feel better after you leave.

Purge the undeserved guilt from your mind, and go out with a healthier respect for your own wallet and what you are entitled (repeat, entitled) to for the hard-earned money you're spending.

Finally, why not give the rest of us enough information so we know who to avoid? Let's try to put the bad ones out of business. Exactly. I got annoyed when the AMP prices went up, so now with a "basic" tip, it's 120. Some complain, others don't. But you can also find good private MP tech's who really do a great massage with a finish for 120. As BB said. Do not feel sorry or tip for bad service.

LexLuther
05-15-11, 21:10
Thanks Lex. It's true that this provider said she was Japanese and I took that at face value. I couldn't tell from her appearance, and I didn't know Japanese are considered more desirable than Korean. Personally I'm attracted to Asians of all nationalities, especially Indians who seem never to work in MPs in this area.

Happy hunting. You seem to be fairly new to the hobby (judging by your number of posts). Nothing intrinsically wrong with that. But as someone who has been at this game for many, many years, I can tell you that many people regard the concept of a Japanese AMP (or otherwise) provider as the ne plus ultra of providers. If you look at porn at all (God forbid!) , you will see the Jap provider put forward in a way which implies that she is the best one could possibly expect in that role. They seem more beautiful, more understanding, more extreme in their lovemaking than any other woman could possibly be. Isn't the Japanese Geisha regarded as a woman who has raised pleasing a man to the level of art? And isn't it plausable to believe that a Japanese provider one who has raised prostitution (or being an AMP worker, for AMP workers are not after all prostitutes, are they?) to a level beyond being a Geisha? You get the idea?

And since they likewise seem to be unobtainable, who wouldn't regard them as more desirable? Don't we most want that which we are least likely to obtain?

Therefore whenever I see some neophyte declare that this or that Korean was not Korean, but was Japanese, I feel compelled to educate said neophyte that said Japanese provider was in fact your bog standard Korean (or Chinese) provider. In other words, I delight in bursting their (dare I say it) Japanese bubbles.

Regarding the Indians, they are available, but more often as escorts, albeit very expensive ones.

LexLuther

Capricaone
05-16-11, 01:45
MoonView hit the nail on the head, Capri. It's not that we're averse to sharing intel; we do it all the time on these borads, but the primo stuff is shared via back-channel. That way, it doesn't cause a place or a provider to get higher on LEO's radar screen. Remember, LEO has limited resources. Granted, those resources are plentiful, but they're not infinite. They still need to be reasonably efficient. So, even though they probably know about all of these places (or, at least the AMPs, but maybe not the CCs) , they're likely going to target the ones that are operating flagrantly. The only times they'll go after the run-of-the-mill stuff are when they need to show they're "really crackin' down" on these places or when election time is rolling around. So, we're not going to just give out the numbers or locations of the best places to any ol' clown that asks.

And, with regard to your long-time membership on this forum, if you've been mooching off of the fruits of other mongers' labor and experience for so long, then I sure as heck ain't going to give out any stuff to you. You earn your cred by what you post (and share back-channel). The information that mongers share on these boards was gained through the expenditures of their hard-earned dollars and their valuable and limited personal time. If you think yourself somehow different, or just want to be lazy, fine. You get out of this board what you put into it. But, the more you put into it, the more dividends you'll gain.

RRTo each his own I guess. I've posted the occasional review when a visits not been worth the time but I'm not planning to turning this into a full-time job of posting reviews.

Pcpc1688
05-16-11, 06:27
Too true unforunately. But let's be thankful for two things:

1.) Korean people have a long history of eating raw fish somewhat similar to that found in Japanese cuisine.

2.) Korean women have pussies very similar to Japanese pussies.

3.) Many Korean women do not shave their pussies.

Ok. That was three things.

LexLutherLex.

My SO is Korean and she eats raw fish, has a pussy similar to Chinese / Thai / Mongolian / Japanese pussy as I have had many of each, and she doesn't shave her pussy either.

What was the point? LOL.

PC out

LexLuther
05-16-11, 07:24
Lex.

My SO is Korean and she eats raw fish, has a pussy similar to Chinese / Thai / Mongolian / Japanese pussy as I have had many of each, and she doesn't shave her pussy either.

What was the point? LOL.

PC outPC,

Congrats. Looks like you're good to go then.

Chill dude!

LexLuther

Yakblat
05-16-11, 10:28
Will someone please tell me how to get posts deleted? What is the process or who do I ask to do it?

Thanks,

YakThanks to those who have given me some tips. I've been using the triangle button (report post) on the left below my posts and sending a delete request, but after a day and a half I haven't seen any posts deleted. Someone else mentioned an edit button, but I don't seem to have one of those on my display. Does anyone have more info on this? I tried to PM Jackson but a note came back saying Jackson doesn't accept PMs. Has anyone got any ideas?

Thanks,

Yak

Volvos40
05-16-11, 16:40
The good ones don't stay around too long. Crystal Spa in Tysons area. Tiffany was Chinese masseuse, best massage on the planet, next is Michelle, in same place. But I just called. Another woman says Tiffany 'gone'. WTF. Anybody know anything?

LexLuther
05-16-11, 19:46
Thanks to those who have given me some tips. I've been using the triangle button (report post) on the left below my posts and sending a delete request, but after a day and a half I haven't seen any posts deleted. Someone else mentioned an edit button, but I don't seem to have one of those on my display. Does anyone have more info on this? I tried to PM Jackson but a note came back saying Jackson doesn't accept PMs. Has anyone got any ideas?

Thanks,

YakI may be wrong about this, but as far as I know you can only edit or delete your posts within about a day or so. After that you are SOL.

LexLuther

Mustang946
05-17-11, 13:51
Had a meeting cancellation and on the way back to the office and stopped in hoping to see Candy again. She was busy and MMS asked if I would see a new girl, Tina, who has been there only a few days. Another excellent TS followed by a sauna then a fairly decent massage, although Candy is better at the massage. Tina is one of the taller Korean ladies I have met. 5' 7" in bare feet, nearly eye level in heels, and slender. She has a pretty good sense of humor as does Candy. It's nice to have an alternative.

Newinva
05-18-11, 17:30
I couldn't stop laughing. Deuce's sarcasm was delicious!


You've got Forest Creek located at 12000 Bowman Towne Drive in Reston, and Private Day at 4900 Stonecroft Blvd in Chantilly.

Those are two of the best AMPs in the area, without a doubt.

Ambidextrous
05-18-11, 21:22
I think this is a new place. A search for the name on this forum turned up nothing. They are posting on CL and BP.

I'm not going to whitewash it, this was not a good experience. Standard. 8 to MMS for an hour. Drew K-girl "Nancy," declined to tell me her age, I would guess early 30s. Decent looking, average body, A-cups. She sidestepped my attempts to roam, literally slapping my arm away lightly several times. But then she asked me if I wanted to give her "massagi." Sure. She wouldn't let me touch her private parts, she was just killing time."I'm not your girlfriend!" But on the flip, she got around to Mr. Happy. I sensed a fast impersonal arm's length release on the way, so I sat up. She wanted me to just lie down so she could do her thing (undoubtedly to earn a tip). I politely but firmly refused. She became increasingly curt and annoyed, said I wasn't "respecting" her, left the room. I got dressed and left. No tip. On the way out, I said to her and MMS,"I won't be coming back here." Glad I refused the standard finish. Sometimes. 8 is the price of a mediocre rubdown and a lesson learned.

Willa36
05-19-11, 19:55
The Tree got a visit from Leo last night. 2 down including MMS. Not sure of their status now.

BlkPrinceVa
05-19-11, 20:34
First time here. Location is in a office park that caters to asian businesses, mostly drs. Kind of isolated at this time of night but no problems. Facility was ok but no TS. Provider was older (maybe 35) and just ok. I originally thought this would be NS and was ok with just a good massage. Provider did a great massage and took her time. On the flip, my soldier was at attention and she immediately serviced him to completion. The visit was 80. I didn't tip this time and didn't get any complaints.

As I was leaving the facility, another younger better looking provider asked how it went and asked me to come back. She gave me a card and offered a free visit after 8 visits (never heard of this before).

I'll go back and see if can get the other provider and see if any extras can be had. I'll report back what I find out.

WebDog
05-19-11, 22:38
Went to BT today, expecting the usual Nova experience and planning on spending only $100. Ended up dropping $200 on "Kay" who I heard referred to as "Ani"

Very different experience than I ever encountered there. Keeping with the local tradition, I won't get into details publicly. If anyone with street cred wants details, drop me a PM.

Re Pete
05-19-11, 23:21
FWIW, the concept of a Japanese provider is like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. For the most part, it doesn't exist. Even in Honolulu, which has more Asians per square inch than any other city in the country, you will find no true Japanese. You will find lots of Koreans, Thais, Viets, even Filipinas pretending to be Japanese. But no real Japanese providers. It's an urban myth my friend.

If you can even find a girl who speaks Japanese, it's most probably a Korean girl who has lived in Japan. They somehow think they up their credibility or value by claiming to be Japanese. And judging by the number of guys who fantasize that they have been with a Japanese provider, there must be some truth to their assumptions.

LexLutherReminds me of the good old days at a place in DC next to Verizon Center (on the 2nd and 3rd floor for those who have been there)."Where are you from" was one of my usual questions to break the ice. I got lots of responses. Cambodia, Thailiand, Japan, Korea, etc. Much later one of the ladies told me that all were from Korea.

It is the only place where I have (though not always) received a table shower with the lady soaping me with her nude body.

Dadwantsit
05-20-11, 06:55
Haven't posted in a while. Went to Castle Spa the other day for the first time and had a nice experience. No appointment. Met Tina at the door and asked for Candy per earlier posts. Tina gave me the TS and needed to be shown everywhere to be washed but then had no problems. Candy provided an exellent massage with lots of friendly chat. Very nice NOVA finish. Nice experience overall and I will return although it took me a little while to find the place.

WebDog
05-20-11, 08:42
It is the only place where I have (though not always) received a table shower with the lady soaping me with her nude body.I have not had that in the USA, until last night. Ironically one of the surprises offered by Kay.

Titleist4
05-20-11, 10:40
I have not had that in the USA, until last night. Ironically one of the surprises offered by Kay.That's a "Sunny Shower." Sunny worked at Arikato in Waldorf and, as far as I know, that's how she always gave the TS. It's quite a fantastic experience. I really miss her and that place.

AugusteL
05-20-11, 16:31
The Tree got a visit from Leo last night. 2 down including MMS. Not sure of their status now.Stopped by Pine today and saw Nana, who is cute & playful. Nana provided a very good massage & finish.

Vietnam Girls
05-20-11, 20:58
Hmmm. Suddenly, an interest in the FCCC from a few new-ish members. Might be good to establish the bona fides first, before divulging the digits. Not to say these two fellows have the whiff of bacon about them, but one must be careful to keep the safety and security of the pearls as Priority #1.

R:RWent there last Friday and saw Amy. She only had about three more days left at the time and should have been replaced with someone else by now. Anyway, The first unusual thing was that there were two girls in the place. I asked Amy about the other girl (whether she was in the sam ebusiness) and she said something like she was the cook.

Went through the usual preliminaries and preparations. She stepped out of the room and I had lied down. She came back in and the stepped out again. I started to hear conversation and a male voice, but I couldn't hear the conversation clearly enough. All of this made me nervous for multiple reasons. Amy seemed to be gone for an aweful long time. The longer she was gone the more I considered just getting out of there regardless of how much I already committed to the venture.

Amy did eventually come back after the man had left and we got down tot he purpose of the visit. The service was the standard for FCCC and I don't really have any complaint othere than it was a little more rushed than usual.

Afterwards. She explained that the other girl had let a man in and he was asking for money. She said she was scared and had me feel her heart beating fast. She did seem to be legitimately scared and had a couple calls with someone about this while I was there. Apparently another girl working there had brought the man to Amy's apartment. Sounds like Amy was robbed of her money. She told me it is always best to bring only what you need.

Anyone ever have anything like this happen?

Pilot Aviator
05-20-11, 21:19
If you are not enjoying all aspects of this pastime, you should spend your money elsewhere.

I am currently spending time at a very small place just outside the beltway where I receive the absolute best TS (well. Best of the various places I've visited and reported on).

For me, it is a 10-experience.

About 20 minutes of hot soapy massage pleasure.

Back to the room, an additional 40+ minutes of massage that I enjoy.

The ladies are a tad older than some places.

Perhaps not as strikingly beautiful. But they smile, and chat, and really understand why it is I am a repeat visitor.

Go to CTM. And drop your cares for a an hour.

Yumi was my provider today.

Standard 0. 8. I tipped more than standard because the total experience was worth more than standard (albiet, it was afterall,"just a standard NoVA experience"

F / B/A / S. Forget it. The ladies deserve better. Read the text, then either enjoy or find somewhere else.

Be nice to the ladies.

PA

Pilot Aviator
05-20-11, 21:26
I called Castle at 2:15 for an appointment at 4.

Drove down 395 on what proved to be a light traffic afternoon and arrived on-time.

Greeted at door by two MMS. And turned away ("very busy. Please come back in 30 minutes")

I could tell they were sorry to lose my custom.

Perhaps another day.

PA

Aman Tuleev
05-20-11, 22:35
Now in enliven.

Stay Safe,

Aman

Ambidextrous
05-21-11, 05:10
FWIW, the concept of a Japanese provider is like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. For the most part, it doesn't exist. Even in Honolulu, which has more Asians per square inch than any other city in the country, you will find no true Japanese. You will find lots of Koreans, Thais, Viets, even Filipinas pretending to be Japanese. But no real Japanese providers. It's an urban myth my friend.

If you can even find a girl who speaks Japanese, it's most probably a Korean girl who has lived in Japan. They somehow think they up their credibility or value by claiming to be Japanese. And judging by the number of guys who fantasize that they have been with a Japanese provider, there must be some truth to their assumptions.

LexLutherFootnote to the Japanese provider discussion: Found "Chizuru" through listing on eros guide, ad said she was Japanese, $.5 for GFE. Spoke to her on the phone (no intermediary) and she indeed had a distinctly Japanese accent. Said she just arrived in town. Made an appointment to meet at the downtown hotel where she said she was staying. I arrived on time, called, no answer. Called several more times over the next half-hour, still no answer. I have no idea what happened. Just another odd thing that happens in this hobby. Fortunately there are always other options.

DeuceSlim
05-21-11, 14:42
Wow. Got shooed away from Smile with a "too busy too busy", even though I called for an appointment.

DeuceSlim
05-21-11, 16:53
After the disappointment at Smile, I headed up the River to my usual spot. After ponying up for an hour and getting ready for a shower, I had to wait about 20 minutes before anyone came back. My ATF was busy (even though she answered the door, go figure) , so I got Candy. Older, D-cups, not the greatest in the face.

Shower was thorough (even more than I expected) , hard massage w / backwalk. Then came the negotiations. Upselling galore. .6 for NOVA, $ for BJ, $.4 for FS.

Bull. Shit. I told what my ATF usually charges (.4, .6, $) and she thought I was lying. So she threatens to call her in and ask, and then backs off when she saw I wasn't backing down and getting ready to leave. So we settle on. 6 for NOVA with roaming and DATY thrown in. Not counting the wait, I didn't get a full hour, either.

A pretty good massage, brought down by too much haggling. 6/10.

Lessons learned:

1) Weekdays are a better time to expect good service at an AMP.

2) Don't expect an AMP to keep an appointment if it's "too busy too busy"

3) Even if an AMP says it's "not busy". Expect it to be busy on a Saturday.

JesseLiver
05-21-11, 17:09
Must say I had a great time. PM for details but never had a chair massage like this one. I think her name was Soonie. She sat on my lap the entire time. Is this a NOVA thing?

Serpico99
05-21-11, 17:32
I hit a spot in 7 Corners, off of Sleepy Hollow in a medical complex (think Viet). I was going to take another shot at Yung, from my previous visit last month but Nana opened the door and she looked fine in her tank top and tight jean shorts. She is athletic built, like a softball player, not some thin toned wafer that you can break over your knee. She is about 5'6", hair was tied up in a ponytail, C cup.

Nice TS, back to the room, she gave one of the best massages ever. If you need a good rubdown, she is the one to go to. She did the light touch on the backdoor, giving me a probe back there. When I flipped, that's when thing kind of went sour. She played the "name your own price" game. I hate this $hit. Seniors can pm me for the details. In general, she wanted 100 for service that was less than DC services and we finally agreed to 80, with 20 of that for ip for a very good massage.

I had to initiate small talk to get her to tell me her name and just chit chat, let her know I have been there before. Very different attitude from Yung, who was asking me my name, where I lived, etc. She seemed to have a good personality but she isn't the one to really initiate conversation. Maybe she was pissed with her tip. Oh well, I'm not paying her asking price of 100.

I think subsequent visits would initiate better relationship.

This is like the 3rd time I have encountered a provider looking for 100 for services that are on average 60, maybe 80, depending upon if the massage was extrodinary or not.

Jdunuk
05-22-11, 02:06
Ok so well, this is my very first post so go easy on me LOL.

I been reading the forums for about 2 weeks bc I caught interest 4 week ago. I did my research and began investigating bc I didn't want to be like one of those guys that come on here askin retarded questions knowing that the answer is right there, all you have to do is read or TOFTT, ya heard. Well anyways that's what I did today.

I went to atmb, out of the blue, I didn't have anything to do so I manned up and went. As I got there, there were no cars so I thought it was closed. I then looked thru their ad and found the number and called to see if it was open. Luckly it was open. I came inside, saw mms, said what's up LOL and she guided me to a room. As I waited a girl came, Lisa was her name, we began small talk. I used the guidelines of questions I found here. Simple stuff like, where you from, what's your nationality and stuff. I told her to massage by upper back bc I just got out of the gym. She did her job massage everywhere else. Long story short after the flip she ask if I wanted a HJ, I said no I wanted mo than that. A little back and forth conversation, we led to a bbj. 69, then I was done. Probably lasted 40 min, I had ask for 30. She asked me if I was thirsty, I said yes, then gave me some water and some snickers and a kiss on the lips and that was it.

Pm for? Or details. How I do for my first try?

Serpico99
05-22-11, 13:23
Shower was thorough (even more than I expected) , hard massage w / backwalk. Then came the negotiations. Upselling galore. .6 for NOVA, $ for BJ, $.4 for FS.

Bull. Shit. I told what my ATF usually charges (.4, .6, $) and she thought I was lying. So she threatens to call her in and ask, and then backs off when she saw I wasn't backing down and getting ready to leave. So we settle on. 6 for NOVA with roaming and DATY thrown in. Not counting the wait, I didn't get a full hour, either.

A pretty good massage, brought down by too much haggling. 6/10.

Lessons learned:

1) Weekdays are a better time to expect good service at an AMP.

2) Don't expect an AMP to keep an appointment if it's "too busy too busy"

3) Even if an AMP says it's "not busy". Expect it to be busy on a Saturday.I am encountering the same atmosphere as well. Providers have upped the quoted fees for services by about 20 to 40 and they are giving more attitude if you balk at their price. If they accept your price, they end up doing a shitty job. Either they must be getting their quoted prices from customers willing to pay that amount or they are not getting much business and need to really hustle every customer that walks in the door.

As for your lesson learned list, I never expect an AMP to provide an appointment for a customer unless he is a really long time client. Other than that, it's first come. First serve from my experience.

Serpico99
05-22-11, 13:29
Ok so well, this is my very first post so go easy on me LOL.

I been reading the forums for about 2 weeks bc I caught interest 4 week ago. I did my research and began investigating bc I didn't want to be like one of those guys that come on here askin retarded questions knowing that the answer is right there, all you have to do is read or TOFTT, ya heard. Well anyways that's what I did today.

I went to atmb, out of the blue, I didn't have anything to do so I manned up and went. As I got there, there were no cars so I thought it was closed. I then looked thru their ad and found the number and called to see if it was open. Luckly it was open. I came inside, saw mms, said what's up LOL and she guided me to a room. As I waited a girl came, Lisa was her name, we began small talk. I used the guidelines of questions I found here. Simple stuff like, where you from, what's your nationality and stuff. I told her to massage by upper back bc I just got out of the gym. She did her job massage everywhere else. Long story short after the flip she ask if I wanted a HJ, I said no I wanted mo than that. A little back and forth conversation, we led to a bbj. 69, then I was done. Probably lasted 40 min, I had ask for 30. She asked me if I was thirsty, I said yes, then gave me some water and some snickers and a kiss on the lips and that was it.

Pm for? Or details. How I do for my first try?How did you do? That depends on how much you paid. I think you did good on the small talk, I would wait and see to say "good job" until you give a price on what you paid for.

Also, for future reference, in my opinion, I would not list any more services than a HJ explicitly on the board if you are going to list the name of the place in your report.

Happy mongering

Ambidextrous
05-22-11, 20:53
I have patronized maybe a dozen AMPs, and am starting to learn the ropes on escorts (I. E, by appointment only, covert location not open to public, and FS guaranteed, I assume that is what is called an escort). As I see it, the advantage of an escort is knowing you will get FS and all that goes with it. On the other hand, AMPs are easier to arrange and seem less risky. I also take pleasure from the process of coaxing out extras at AMPs. The fact that it sometimes fails makes it thrilling when it succeeds.

In the end it comes down to chemistry. I want her to experience pleasure too, and I go to some lengths to do that. (I have found only one provider who lets me make her climax and doesn't fake it, she is my ATF although not the youngest or prettiest I have had, and I do not share intel on her. I'm not sure why she lets me do it, but it's flattering.) When I'm having a good time, I think the provider is too. Conversation and eye contact are important. I realize these ladies are performers to some degree, but I'the like to think I'm capable of distinguishing true pleasure. In fact, that's more important to me than getting FS.

Some posters here seem content with the 'standard' finish and don't ask for more, they consider roaming just icing on the cake. Do you give as good as you get? Other thoughts about AMPs vs. Escorts?

Happy hunting.

Rosie 1972
05-22-11, 21:48
Has anyone been by River Spa lately? I know the place is hit or miss, but I haven't heard anything for a while. Please PM me if you have any info.

Thanks

Lovejugs
05-22-11, 23:00
I saw a place on BP that was near Tysons (Apple). Rates? More than normal working hours? Any info would be appreciated. PM.

Lovejugs

DeuceSlim
05-23-11, 00:35
I am encountering the same atmosphere as well. Providers have upped the quoted fees for services by about 20 to 40 and they are giving more attitude if you balk at their price. If they accept your price, they end up doing a shitty job. Either they must be getting their quoted prices from customers willing to pay that amount or they are not getting much business and need to really hustle every customer that walks in the door.

As for your lesson learned list, I never expect an AMP to provide an appointment for a customer unless he is a really long time client. Other than that, it's first come. First serve from my experience. Oh, I've definitely learned that it's 1st come 1st served. When I went to Smile somebody else was pulling in, so I gave them the courtesy of waiting a couple minutes before I tried to come in. And while I was waiting someone ELSE shows up and makes a beeline for the door. In order to avoid the likely awkward moment of eye contact between two strangers going to an AMP for the same reason, I waited another minute before walking up, and subsequently being shooed away because it was busy.

DeuceSlim
05-23-11, 00:59
Ok so well, this is my very first post so go easy on me LOL.

I been reading the forums for about 2 weeks bc I caught interest 4 week ago. I did my research and began investigating bc I didn't want to be like one of those guys that come on here askin retarded questions knowing that the answer is right there, all you have to do is read or TOFTT, ya heard. Well anyways that's what I did today.

I went to atmb, out of the blue, I didn't have anything to do so I manned up and went. As I got there, there were no cars so I thought it was closed. I then looked thru their ad and found the number and called to see if it was open. Luckly it was open. I came inside, saw mms, said what's up LOL and she guided me to a room. As I waited a girl came, Lisa was her name, we began small talk. I used the guidelines of questions I found here. Simple stuff like, where you from, what's your nationality and stuff. I told her to massage by upper back bc I just got out of the gym. She did her job massage everywhere else. Long story short after the flip she ask if I wanted a HJ, I said no I wanted mo than that. A little back and forth conversation, we led to a bbj. 69, then I was done. Probably lasted 40 min, I had ask for 30. She asked me if I was thirsty, I said yes, then gave me some water and some snickers and a kiss on the lips and that was it.

Pm for? Or details. How I do for my first try?Not a bad first post. Might want to say how much you paid total, but you don't want to give too much info out on anything extra. 5-0 can read this too.

BlkPrinceVa
05-23-11, 09:42
I hit a spot in 7 Corners, off of Sleepy Hollow in a medical complex (think Viet). I was going to take another shot at Yung, from my previous visit last month but Nana opened the door and she looked fine in her tank top and tight jean shorts. She is athletic built, like a softball player, not some thin toned wafer that you can break over your knee. She is about 5'6", hair was tied up in a ponytail, C cup.

Nice TS, back to the room, she gave one of the best massages ever. If you need a good rubdown, she is the one to go to. She did the light touch on the backdoor, giving me a probe back there. When I flipped, that's when thing kind of went sour. She played the "name your own price" game. I hate this $hit. Seniors can pm me for the details. In general, she wanted 100 for service that was less than DC services and we finally agreed to 80, with 20 of that for ip for a very good massage.

I had to initiate small talk to get her to tell me her name and just chit chat, let her know I have been there before. Very different attitude from Yung, who was asking me my name, where I lived, etc. She seemed to have a good personality but she isn't the one to really initiate conversation. Maybe she was pissed with her tip. Oh well, I'm not paying her asking price of 100.

I think subsequent visits would initiate better relationship.

This is like the 3rd time I have encountered a provider looking for 100 for services that are on average 60, maybe 80, depending upon if the massage was extrodinary or not. Are the figure you're mentioning in addition to the house money? If so, that sounds kind of high for a massage and less than DC treatment. Just curious.

Computer Luvvv
05-23-11, 12:46
Having been a frequent flier in the DC establishments all before the latest commotion, I'm itching to hit something Chinese. How can I get in touch with the FCCC I sometimes read about? I saw Sleazebum posted three numbers a year back but there was that whole cryptic only 1 of them is the real number. Can someone PM me the magic digits? And is the process any different from the trusty ol' AMPs?City Paper

Pcpc1688
05-23-11, 15:06
Went to BT today, expecting the usual Nova experience and planning on spending only $100. Ended up dropping $200 on "Kay" who I heard referred to as "Ani"

Very different experience than I ever encountered there. Keeping with the local tradition, I won't get into details publicly. If anyone with street cred wants details, drop me a PM. Webdog,

I tried to pm you on this. Can you elaborate alittle more there please.

PC out

Serpico99
05-23-11, 16:08
Are the figure you're mentioning in addition to the house money? If so, that sounds kind of high for a massage and less than DC treatment. Just curious.From your previous report on Sunny, did you pay just the house fee and not tip? Based on your report, tt seems the massage was good and she offered some level of service so why didn't you tip?

Pilot Aviator
05-23-11, 19:11
Brothers. Perhaps we all have differing reasons and standards as to what makes a provider an ATF. Perhaps some use that term for most of the ladies they see. Me, I only have one ATF at a time.

I saw mine today. Suffice it to say, it was another outstanding 70+ minutes on a very non-rushed, and what turned out to be not-busy late Monday afternoon. (A bit surprising as she told me they had a fairly busy morning afternoon).

Not rank ordered, but here is what makes my current ATF so very special to me.

1. When I make an appointment, the appointment is kept.

2. Her smile.

3. Her location is convenient, and although management appears to rotate, each MMS has figured out I am a good client.

4. She always uses new towels.

5. She washes the TS-table with anti-bacterial soap before she allows me to lay on it. And there are strategically placed washclothes as an additional cleanliness courtesy.

6. She has brushed her teeth just prior to joining me in the room.

7. She does not smoke. But she is smokin'!

8. She has never looked at the tip. But on subsequent visits she has made it clear she appreciates when I choose to be more generous than "standard" (and on all but two visits over the past two years, I have been and expect I will continue to be)

9. She almost cried when I gave her a Christmas present (I gave all the ladies in the place Christmas presents (including MMS) , but her present was nicer)

10. For the hour+plus she makes it seem like a visit with me "is more than it is". And she makes it easy for me to believe in friendship and "more" (no "wool over my eyes". I'm a client, but I am a good client)

11. She knows my name and number and uses them (discretely)

And for discretion, I'll not list any of the details you are salaciously hoping to read, but if you will check my posts you will know (A) I am not interested in FS and (B) I think every aspect of the visit should be enjoyable / enjoyed (so my ATF would not be suitable for FS-hopeful. 30-minute "what can I get from the provider" hobbiests (no criticism actually intended).

She also happens to be one of the top-5 most beautiful ladies I have seen as a monger. And she does not let those exceptional looks go to her head. She is never jaded.

OK. I just reread my list. Perhaps TMI. Perhaps you won't care. But, as this is a place for us to share info, so I repeat.

I saw my ATF today. It was another outstanding (10+) NoVA standard visit that lasted about 70+ minutes on a very non-rushed, and what turned out to be not-busy late Monday afternoon.

Now. Perhaps you'll share what makes your ATF your ATF.

Be nice to the ladies!

PA

Scorpion King
05-23-11, 21:11
Must say I had a great time. PM for details but never had a chair massage like this one. I think her name was Soonie. She sat on my lap the entire time. Is this a NOVA thing?Lap massage was kinda interesting. Thought of visiting there but, Soonie went on bacation to Korea.

Alpha D
05-23-11, 22:47
I have read some great posts, and I have written some pretty good posts, but PA continues to set the standard.

BZ, PA. BZ.

AD

Alpha D
05-23-11, 22:53
Gents,

There is a nice new place very close to Glebe and Columbia Pike. Clean facilities, nice ladies, SM can PM for more. Parking is dicy, but not the worst. The entrance is right on the street, but it is not notorious. I went, I enjoyed, I will return, I do recommend. .8 for the house, .8 for the tip.

AD

S1153
05-23-11, 23:16
Visited MWC at around 930pm, was hoping for an hour session but knew they may be getting ready to close. Settled for 30 minutes with an average looking lady probably in her late 30s.

Massage felt a bit rushed in the beginning but then I realized she was trying to get the full body treatment for me in 30 minutes. Overall, a solid massage session worth the 30-minute house fees I paid for.

I was not expecting a ts since they were already cleaning but the lady was kind enough to give me a thorough ts after the massage and good nova finish. On the way out some other lady and a dude (probably owner / friend / relative) came in the door and they rushed behind a curtain as they saw me walking out. Everyone got a good laugh out of it.

I was just trying to enjoy a good relaxing massage and wasn't looking for anything more than standard nova. So I left a happy customer and may be back another time. Perhaps a different lady next time. There used to be younger selections at mwc.

Fatpig
05-24-11, 12:17
This used to be one of my ATF places but for me now run down by rushed service and upselling. NO different this time. I told Michelle the MSS if this was the same bad experience don't expect me back. So she gave me Sara. Sara was at Feeling in Herndon a few months ago and she upsells the fuck out of her services which are not that great.

Good shower, shitty 20 minute massage and a rub. She wanted. 8. For that I expect more service. I was talking to MSS and she came by and said I shorted her. I gave her. 6 and that was generous for 45 minutes of poor service.

Sorry but I should of went to see Blue at Enliven which she never let me down before. Oh well. All be Safe.

My definition of ATF:

Non rushed experience.

Friendly but not pushy.

Good massage first, this is most important.

Not asking for a fucking tip.

Not shorting me on time.

None

Eerock
05-24-11, 14:56
I am encountering the same atmosphere as well. Providers have upped the quoted fees for services by about 20 to 40 and they are giving more attitude if you balk at their price. If they accept your price, they end up doing a shitty job. Either they must be getting their quoted prices from customers willing to pay that amount or they are not getting much business and need to really hustle every customer that walks in the door.Not surprising. Given the closures in DC, you have alot of mongers coming across the river, and the girls know they are used to paying more. So they figure they can get more, even if they don't offer DC-level service, because hey, its not DC.

Computer Luvvv
05-25-11, 13:18
This used to be one of my ATF places but for me now run down by rushed service and upselling. NO different this time. I told Michelle the MSS if this was the same bad experience don't expect me back. So she gave me Sara. Sara was at Feeling in Herndon a few months ago and she upsells the fuck out of her services which are not that great.

Good shower, shitty 20 minute massage and a rub. She wanted. 8. For that I expect more service. I was talking to MSS and she came by and said I shorted her. I gave her. 6 and that was generous for 45 minutes of poor service.

Sorry but I should of went to see Blue at Enliven which she never let me down before. Oh well. All be Safe.

My definition of ATF:

Non rushed experience.

Friendly but not pushy.

Good massage first, this is most important.

Not asking for a fucking tip.

Not shorting me on time.

NoneYeah, they do upsell at Feeling.

Computer Luvvv
05-25-11, 13:34
Not surprising. Given the closures in DC, you have alot of mongers coming across the river, and the girls know they are used to paying more. So they figure they can get more, even if they don't offer DC-level service, because hey, its not DC.We haven't been paying more in DC as for "service" is concerned.

BlkPrinceVa
05-26-11, 06:50
From your previous report on Sunny, did you pay just the house fee and not tip? Based on your report, tt seems the massage was good and she offered some level of service so why didn't you tip?There were no complaints from either the provider or facility manager. As I mentioned, they invited me back and offered a free massage after number eight. I'm not in this hobby to make the providers feel good and I'm not in this try and buy a girlfriend. For no TS and a good massage, even with a standard finish I didn't feel obligated to give a tip. And, as I said, there were no complaints. I think they were just happy to have the business. If there were complaints, I would have said I may tip better next time depending on the service (s) provided.

I have a few general rules regagrding this hobby: 1) Don't make me wait. If you don't have girls available, just say so; 2) If the girl (s) you do have are ugly (sometimes really ugly) , don't get mad if I pass. This is my money and I'm not wasting if on something that looks like a refuge; 3) When I pay the stated house fee, I expect to get the minimal service for that, including: a) Courtesy from the provider; be) TS (if the facility has it) with a throrough wash; and 3) a decent non-rushed massage. If I pay for 60 minutes that's what I expect to get. If I don't get all of this, I make it a point to complain to the manager (MMS) and indicate that I will not be back. I also don't tip for bad service.

I'm new to this forum and it's provided a lot of intel on NoVa. I know I was spoiled from the good old days of DC, but it seems there are some / many / a lot on this forum paying DC prices + for standard service. In some cases for less that standard service. I don't get that, but it is your money. Unfortunatly, this has an impact on the service and fees the rest of us have to pay.

Just my thoughts.

Serpico99
05-26-11, 17:21
There were no complaints from either the provider or facility manager. As I mentioned, they invited me back and offered a free massage after number eight. I'm not in this hobby to make the providers feel good and I'm not in this try and buy a girlfriend. For no TS and a good massage, even with a standard finish I didn't feel obligated to give a tip. And, as I said, there were no complaints. I think they were just happy to have the business. If there were complaints, I would have said I may tip better next time depending on the service (s) provided.

I have a few general rules regagrding this hobby: 1) Don't make me wait. If you don't have girls available, just say so; 2) If the girl (s) you do have are ugly (sometimes really ugly) , don't get mad if I pass. This is my money and I'm not wasting if on something that looks like a refuge; 3) When I pay the stated house fee, I expect to get the minimal service for that, including: a) Courtesy from the provider; be) TS (if the facility has it) with a throrough wash; and 3) a decent non-rushed massage. If I pay for 60 minutes that's what I expect to get. If I don't get all of this, I make it a point to complain to the manager (MMS) and indicate that I will not be back. I also don't tip for bad service.

I'm new to this forum and it's provided a lot of intel on NoVa. I know I was spoiled from the good old days of DC, but it seems there are some / many / a lot on this forum paying DC prices + for standard service. In some cases for less that standard service. I don't get that, but it is your money. Unfortunatly, this has an impact on the service and fees the rest of us have to pay.

Just my thoughts.Unfortunately, it's mongers like you who contribute to the piss poor attitude that these girls are giving out these days and other mongers have to put up with. So no TS and a good massage and you got an extra service but you did not tip? Yeah, no wonder why you think I paid too much LMAO. Get a clue.

Xooom
05-26-11, 21:37
[QUOTE=BlkPrinceVa; 1201307]For no TS and a good massage, even with a standard finish I didn't feel obligated to give a tip. And, as I said, there were no complaints. I think they were just happy to have the business. If there were complaints, I would have said I may tip better next time depending on the service (s) provided.

I have a few general rules regarding this hobby: I also don't tip for bad service.

I think its well established that the house money is just that the houses money. By not tipping for what appeared to be good service you basically just used her and tossed her nothing. Providers work for tips, if the service sucks fine complain, etc. But to not tip for good service, well maybe you are in the wrong hobby and should just find a regular legit massage place or one of the many independent massage therapist in the area who do not expect a tip, there are plenty of those. By no tipping, you just sour the hobby for us who do. That fact that they invited you back is amazing, let us know how that goes, I am sure the ladies will not be lining up and fighting over the chance to give you a massage knowing you don't tip.

Pcpc1688
05-27-11, 10:05
[QUOTE=BlkPrinceVa; 1201307]For no TS and a good massage, even with a standard finish I didn't feel obligated to give a tip. And, as I said, there were no complaints. I think they were just happy to have the business. If there were complaints, I would have said I may tip better next time depending on the service (s) provided.

I have a few general rules regarding this hobby: I also don't tip for bad service.

I think its well established that the house money is just that the houses money. By not tipping for what appeared to be good service you basically just used her and tossed her nothing. Providers work for tips, if the service sucks fine complain, etc. But to not tip for good service, well maybe you are in the wrong hobby and should just find a regular legit massage place or one of the many independent massage therapist in the area who do not expect a tip, there are plenty of those. By no tipping, you just sour the hobby for us who do. That fact that they invited you back is amazing, let us know how that goes, I am sure the ladies will not be lining up and fighting over the chance to give you a massage knowing you don't tip. FYI,

Out of the $80 house money, the therapist in question recd about $24. 00 of it. Don't think for a second that all of it goes to the house. Anyway, therapy in NOVA is higher than the US average by at least 20 bananas per visit.

Goes to show that living by the giver of all money has its downside as well. As far tipping goes, its a on the person himself if he wants too or not. In BlkPrinces case, IMHO he did what he needed to do. I certainly have had bad experiences in an AMP where I left $10.00 as a tip for no service but to each his own. Some guys here nay think that they need to leave $80-$100 as a tip for a HJ but I feel otherwise.

PC out

AznCajun
05-27-11, 15:46
Stop by the place on Gallows Road this week for the first time ever, but I placed a call to make an appointment first. She said it wasn't busy and appointment not necessary. I was greeted by friendly MMS, took me to a room that was clean and cozy. She took my house fee of. 80 since I wanted the hour long massage. I drew a young looking K-gal named Lisa. Nice frame with a small bust. She was friendly and very social, and her massage technique was firm. Not much to seek in terms of playfulness as a matter of fact, she was mechanical. She wouldn't allow me to look up or turn my head to the side away form the massage table's port hole (just wanted to get a better view of her nice butt). After the massage, the flip was a standard NOVA finish with not much else offered or even discussed. TS came after the massage, but I did leave refreshed and relaxed and very clean. I dropped. 40 for the friendly service and she was content. I may return for the nice friendly service. Parking was good. Located next to other businesses so during the day if you make a B-line from your car to the door, you should be cool.

Have a great and safe Memorial day weekend y'all!

AC

MrSunnyHills
05-27-11, 16:46
[QUOTE=Xooom; 1201799]FYI,

Out of the $80 house money, the therapist in question recd about $24. 00 of it. Don't think for a second that all of it goes to the house. Anyway, therapy in NOVA is higher than the US average by at least 20 bananas per visit.

Goes to show that living by the giver of all money has its downside as well. As far tipping goes, its a on the person himself if he wants too or not. In BlkPrinces case, IMHO he did what he needed to do. I certainly have had bad experiences in an AMP where I left $10. 00 as a tip for no service but to each his own. Some guys here nay think that they need to leave $80-$100 as a tip for a HJ but I feel otherwise.

PC outInteresting. Years ago in LA, when I was "closer" to some of the providers, the percentage there varied between about 40% and 60%. (the very popular ones could command the higher percentage based on the business they would bring the MP, or they'd move on).

For a good NOVA finish, I'd leave 40, occasionally for stellar service I will up a bit, but given I can have hassle free, appointments with private providers, who provide good value, why go much higher. Especially given the $80 house fee in NOVA.

Bunker Buster
05-27-11, 16:59
[QUOTE=Xooom; 1201799]FYI,

Out of the $80 house money, the therapist in question recd about $24. 00 of it. Don't think for a second that all of it goes to the house. Anyway, therapy in NOVA is higher than the US average by at least 20 bananas per visit.

Goes to show that living by the giver of all money has its downside as well. As far tipping goes, its a on the person himself if he wants too or not. In BlkPrinces case, IMHO he did what he needed to do. I certainly have had bad experiences in an AMP where I left $10. 00 as a tip for no service but to each his own. Some guys here nay think that they need to leave $80-$100 as a tip for a HJ but I feel otherwise.

PC outThe fact that BlkPrince didn't encounter sheer anger proves that the therapist is getting paid something by the house, and if these places weren't paying the therapists at all, the owners would find themselves with serious legal trouble.

Leaving 80-100 for HJ from a middle-aged spa lady makes no sense, and drives up expectations. The market rate for therapeutic massage at a spa is around 60-80 / hour. There are quite a few younger ladies who do FBSM that includes a quality therapeutic massage and a topless / nude sensual component, which is quite interactive and doesn't require haggling or breathing kimchee, in the 120 range.

This means that the charge for HJ and roaming with a younger masseuse is 40-60 of the total fee. There are some girls who charge 160-180 / hour for FBSM, but these are the top of the field: young, tight-body hotties.

Assuming therapists see just 4 customers a day, if you give an 80 tip, you believe her job is worth 120, 000 / year.

At the end of the day, if someone wants to throw an extra 40-60 of his hard-earned money out unnecessarily, it's his money, but why not try tipping 60 instead of 100, and see if you notice the slightest loss in quality of service, then bank the savings for future ventures?

BlkPrinceVa: You should leave a tip for anything beyond a therapeutic massage. It doesn't have to be the crazy money some people are throwing, even if it's 10-20, just as a sign of appreciation and encouragement, but if you're stiffing them with nothing, it makes them more mercenary and less trusting with the rest of us.

Bostonpeter
05-27-11, 17:33
[QUOTE=Xooom; 1201799]FYI,

Out of the $80 house money, the therapist in question recd about $24. 00 of it. Don't think for a second that all of it goes to the house. Anyway, therapy in NOVA is higher than the US average by at least 20 bananas per visit.

Goes to show that living by the giver of all money has its downside as well. As far tipping goes, its a on the person himself if he wants too or not. In BlkPrinces case, IMHO he did what he needed to do. I certainly have had bad experiences in an AMP where I left $10. 00 as a tip for no service but to each his own. Some guys here nay think that they need to leave $80-$100 as a tip for a HJ but I feel otherwise.

PC outOnly girls that get a cut of the house pay in NOVA are girls that have a legitimate massage license. And that is still around $20 that is negotiated with the MMS. These tend to be ladies on the older side that have lived in this area for awhile. NOVA requires a separate licence in addition to the national license that requires local residency and registration with the county. Younger girls that tend to come in from NY usually don't get a cut of the house money, but it depends on AMP and how bad they need staff.

I've dated a few, and you can PM me on this, but I'll tell you in general, most girls require tips if they are to make money working in this area. The MMS only care about themselves. They negotiate the best possible deal to maximize their own income.

Personally I've gotten a little burnt out of AMPs, a string of really bad service recently, and other places to spend my money. Every girl pretty much asks for the tip upfront these days and all the prettier girls have left for greener pastures. Its becoming exhausting.

Tapas
05-28-11, 14:30
[QUOTE=Pcpc1688; 1202107]Only girls that get a cut of the house pay in NOVA are girls that have a legitimate massage license. And that is still around $20 that is negotiated with the MMS. These tend to be ladies on the older side that have lived in this area for awhile. NOVA requires a separate licence in addition to the national license that requires local residency and registration with the county. Younger girls that tend to come in from NY usually don't get a cut of the house money, but it depends on AMP and how bad they need staff.

I've dated a few, and you can PM me on this, but I'll tell you in general, most girls require tips if they are to make money working in this area. The MMS only care about themselves. They negotiate the best possible deal to maximize their own income.

Personally I've gotten a little burnt out of AMPs, a string of really bad service recently, and other places to spend my money. Every girl pretty much asks for the tip upfront these days and all the prettier girls have left for greener pastures. Its becoming exhausting.Indies are a nice change of pace from the AMPs. Where the therapist actually cares beyond the hour of service as they want return business.

Obviously your mileage still varies and some indi-therapists still upsell, but my experiences are better in indi-land. The AMPs can take a hike with this exhausting upsell approach. There are other options.

BlkPrinceVa
05-28-11, 16:10
Unfortunately, it's mongers like you who contribute to the piss poor attitude that these girls are giving out these days and other mongers have to put up with. So no TS and a good massage and you got an extra service but you did not tip? Yeah, no wonder why you think I paid too much LMAO. Get a clue.Based on the responses to our respective posts: 1) I should have tipped something, even if it was small. I agree and will do so in the future; and 2) Hobbiest like you are driving the cost up by paying way too much for minimal service. It's interesting you never answered my original question so I'll assume that you paid the house 80 and tipped 80 for a total of 160 for standard service. If this is what it takes to pursue this hobby in NoVa, I'll be retiring soon.

Question for the forum: Are we all in agreement that the HJ / HE is an extra service? Isn't this the minimum that we pursue this hobby for? If not, we're saying that we're paying 80 for a massage and maybe a table shower? Is that the general consensus?

Hofi35
05-29-11, 00:07
All girls are in this for tips. They may get 10-30 from house money, depends on verbal contract with MMS, licence or not, local or not, tips are the only income. Once again, if girl ask up front, all you have to say is "it depends on service". I think it actually turns things into much better experience. How much for HJ or BJ is up to the person, situation, girls level of looks and service. STOP TALKING ABOUT TIP. EACH OF YOU TIP HOW MUCH YOU FEEL IS PROPER. It is boring.

Bunker Buster
05-29-11, 00:49
All girls are in this for tips. They may get 10-30 from house money, depends on verbal contract with MMS, licence or not, local or not, tips are the only income. Once again, if girl ask up front, all you have to say is "it depends on service". I think it actually turns things into much better experience. How much for HJ or BJ is up to the person, situation, girls level of looks and service. STOP TALKING ABOUT TIP. EACH OF YOU TIP HOW MUCH YOU FEEL IS PROPER. It is boring.People want to talk about tips because they're a relevant part of the hobby. If you don't like some of the topics, you can skip over them, but no one needs to be telling people what to stop talking about on a discussion forum.

Regards

Fatpig
05-29-11, 09:44
All girls are in this for tips. They may get 10-30 from house money, depends on verbal contract with MMS, licence or not, local or not, tips are the only income. Once again, if girl ask up front, all you have to say is "it depends on service". I think it actually turns things into much better experience. How much for HJ or BJ is up to the person, situation, girls level of looks and service. STOP TALKING ABOUT TIP. EACH OF YOU TIP HOW MUCH YOU FEEL IS PROPER. It is boring.Yes they do work for tips. Some just suck at it while others do like what they do.

Personally it ruins the hour for me. When you give an ok. To shitty massage for 10 minutes then ask for flip and price points. Fuck that. Then complain when I don't want extras just 1 hour of massage. MMS could care less if you leave tip or not. She got her money up front. Anyway.

Reviews. Lots of movement of these ladies from place to place recently. My go to places G&G and Herndon have turned to shitz. I need a new place to hit up. PM me.

Sleazebum
05-29-11, 17:12
Every conversation about tipping turns into a pissing contest and no real info manages to slip through. For any / all valid advice on tipping please do a search on the subject and you will see all you need.

Now. Back on main point. What is open nowadays in DC?

JJ.


People want to talk about tips because they're a relevant part of the hobby. If you don't like some of the topics, you can skip over them, but no one needs to be telling people what to stop talking about on a discussion forum.

Regards

Serpico99
05-29-11, 20:04
Based on the responses to our respective posts: 1) I should have tipped something, even if it was small. I agree and will do so in the future; and 2) Hobbiest like you are driving the cost up by paying way too much for minimal service. It's interesting you never answered my original question so I'll assume that you paid the house 80 and tipped 80 for a total of 160 for standard service. If this is what it takes to pursue this hobby in NoVa, I'll be retiring soon.

Question for the forum: Are we all in agreement that the HJ / HE is an extra service? Isn't this the minimum that we pursue this hobby for? If not, we're saying that we're paying 80 for a massage and maybe a table shower? Is that the general consensus?I guess you will be retiring soon. It's interesting that I clearly stated my tip breakdown in my post and if anyone was a senior with established bona fides, they could PM me for more info. Happy mongering.

Hofi35
05-29-11, 23:26
Yes its discussion forum and I know all suspects of this hobby should be discussed here. But why every time we get into talk about tipping it becomes pages long? And its always about the same old, same old. We all know the guidelines, what to tip for what type of service, if some decides to tip more, or less, it's their thing. The rest of us do not have to agree, but pages and pages of talk will not change anything. And since we are in this, I don't mind to tip more than standard, it just depends on situation I'm in. And, since its discussion forum, no one should tell me that I cannot express my opinion here. We all should just have fun.

Hofi35
05-29-11, 23:39
Almost forgot to report. Visited FCCC three times in past two weeks. Great services provided by girl with ink on her stomach. Flat fee is another thing I like about this place. No upsell. You all know what to do if you want details.

A Thermopyle
05-30-11, 03:06
So this report is 2 weeks late but given I just had a relevant comparative experience in NYC, perhaps the delay is fortuitous.

Anyway, went to the TCCC for the first time on 5/14. Why to people only talk about the FCCC? Do they just conflates all the different condos? I actually had no idea ahead of time the number I had would lead me to Tyson's, but it turns out that is a convenient place for me. So, I like this whole condo thing. I never really cared that much for TS (but was surprised Wendy did not offer me standing shower. Maybe because it was raining in a Biblical fashion outside). What I really like is the no-haggle all inclusive $.6 pricing. That is an especially useful thing in NOVA.

About Wendy: massage was so-so and other stuff unenthusiastic. Pretty nice looking, but well into her 30s or beyond. No DATY allowed (though she said that was specifically a condition of this particular visit). She was nice and tight were it counted. She had me out of there in about 30 minutes flat, which is probably the most rushed hour session I've ever had. Wouldn't have minded if service was better though, as I'm not going there to kill time.

Now the comparo: just finished a session with Chanel at Luxy Asian Girls in NYC. This place is actual an Apartment AMP (ie multiple girls and the MMS in an undisclosed location). Unlike the Condos here, these things advertise just like normal AMPs, but just phone number. 2 call system to get address. The bigger difference is that they keep a fairly stable stable of girls and actually list them with real pictures (photoshopped to hell of course) on their website. The advantage of this is you can actually check for reviews of the girls on another site and such and they often have them. Still no haggle pricing, but it is $$ instead of $.6. Anyway, the point of all this is that Chanel was worth the extra 40 bucks over Wendy, but that should not be a surprise as she has multiple good reviews. She wasn't better looking (to my taste at least) , but her massage and others were multiple levels beyond Wendy's and the session lasted a full hour.

Sleazebum
05-30-11, 16:43
Just returned from a visit with Yung at Papaya. She is fresh in from NYC and did the job well for NoVA fare.

$80 for the hour plus $40 for the tip.

JJ

Criim44
05-30-11, 18:17
Seen a few posts on BP about a new place near the country club, this place is right around the corner from me. Was wondering if anyone had been since I'm still new to the AMP world. Visited one in landmark a few months ago and all my other experience has been with independents so I'm skeptical of most places and not sure what all I should look out for.

Bunker Buster
05-30-11, 20:50
Yes its discussion forum and I know all suspects of this hobby should be discussed here. But why every time we get into talk about tipping it becomes pages long? And its always about the same old, same old. We all know the guidelines, what to tip for what type of service, if some decides to tip more, or less, it's their thing. The rest of us do not have to agree, but pages and pages of talk will not change anything. And since we are in this, I don't mind to tip more than standard, it just depends on situation I'm in. And, since its discussion forum, no one should tell me that I cannot express my opinion here. We all should just have fun.Telling people to shut up is indeed expressing an opinion, but it's a wet blanket onto the valid discussions of other contributing participants in an open forum.

I appreciate your reviews and contributions, and your insight into the hobby, but I think you're letting your dislike of the topic of tipping become an I'dée fixe.

Considering that the amount of tip expected for service changes over time, and that cost is one of the big 3 factors in the hobby (with service and safety probably the other two) , telling people not to talk about tipping, ie, how much service costs, is like telling them to stop talking about how they define GFE.

You might as well go into a stock-trading forum and tell people to shut up already about fees and commissions. Do the E-Trade baby commercials bother you too?

Once upon a time, I could go to an AMP in DC, pay the house 60, and for a 100 tip, get everything I was thinking about. Now I find that the same amounts are being paid for a Nova standard. I learned this by reading it here, to my surprise and dismay.

I find the discussions on tipping helpful to gauge the market over time, and also to try to dissuade newbies from overtipping and both wasting their money and driving up costs and expectations.

There are plenty of topics and discussions on the various boards that don't interest me, but I accept having to scroll past them as the cost of participating in an open forum.

We know you don't care for tip (I. E,"cost") discussions, so just skip past them, read the reviews you like, and as an established senior, feel free to PM me or anyone else for more details on things that interest you.

Foxfax
05-30-11, 21:10
I decided to try a VA parlor for a bit of a change of pace today. I travel to Baltimore often enough that I'm able to take advantage of the fantastic establishments on the north side of that city, and I hadn't been to a NOVA or DC place since most of the DuPont area spots disappeared. In general, I think both the ladies and the experiences are better up north than around here. However, YMMV at any place at any time.

I stopped in, and I think I was the only one there. Until someone came in just a couple minutes after I did. Mamasan collected the. 8 hour house fee, and sent in Judy, who later said her name was Kim (?). In any case, she was about 5' 3" and about 140-150 lbs, in her early 40s (she later told me she was 42). Not really my style, but she came in as the other gentleman was being escorted to his room, and I figured I wouldn't ask for a switch. The TS was nice and thorough, with attention paid to all the right areas. Back in the room she helped me dry off a bit more, and then she put on some music and went to work.

Her massage skills are above average, and she does a nice job of mixing good pressure with a light touch. I didn't attempt to roam, and she later told me I was a gentleman. Apparently she doesn't like folks who do that, so I suspect it's not really on her menu. Normally I like to roam, but not this time, so I guess I should be happy I got "credit" for it.

After working the kinks out it was time for the flip. After a bit more massage, we chatted for awhile about her life in the states. She then began suggesting what else might be available for. 6, and she just wasn't interested in the. 4 that I thought was appropriate. I don't like to argue for a long time. Talking someone into doing something for less than what she thinks it's worth just doesn't work well in my experience. Plus it kills the mood. So I just had her finish working out a knot in my shoulder, and then she helped me get dressed and left. I was there for 70 minutes, so I left her. 3 for the additional time and the fact it had been a nice massage. I met BeBe on my way out, she seems to have a bit of a wilder spark that Judy / Kim has. I may return for her.

Oppen
05-30-11, 21:17
I hadn't tasted any peaches & cream since winter, but I decided to go back today. I drew Lucky; she has a sexy smoker's voice, some light brown highlights in her hair, bee cups, early 30s, about 5'6", a very nice smile, and a pleasant, laid back manner.

Overall, I got the impression that she is observant and varies the session to meet the client's needs. For example, my feet are pretty beat up. She noticed this during the TS and proceeded to use some kind of block to buff them, and then really worked them over. After she was satisfied with her work, she went back to the standard TS rubbing and scrubbing. She then started a soapy massage that felt really good.

Back in the room, she saw that my muscles were tight and then went with a hard massage, which was just what I needed. Early in the session, she spread her legs and kind of propelled herself from my waist to my upper back, using her knees to work out the kinks. She also used her feet in the massage more than any therapist I've had. And she also devoted more time to back walking than other therapists I've seen. After the flip, she had me put the bottoms of my feet together with my knees sticking out, and by standing on my feet in just the right way (it looked like she was doing a dance) , caused my knees to move towards the floor, which stretched the muscles in my inner thighs very nicely. I should emphasize that in addition to the quality of the massage, Lucky was playful, though it is sometimes hard to understand what she was saying.

Once she stripped down to her panties, she became more playful, having a certain part of her anatomy "talk" to me. No touching there, unfortunately. We moved to some Russian, and then a lot of eye contact during the main event.

She used some towels on me, helped me dress, and then gave me a bottle of water. She mentioned that she does two-hour sessions (I suppose business is slow) and that she works every day.

Happy hunting

Pcpc1688
05-30-11, 23:40
Based on the responses to our respective posts: 1) I should have tipped something, even if it was small. I agree and will do so in the future; and 2) Hobbiest like you are driving the cost up by paying way too much for minimal service. It's interesting you never answered my original question so I'll assume that you paid the house 80 and tipped 80 for a total of 160 for standard service. If this is what it takes to pursue this hobby in NoVa, I'll be retiring soon.

Question for the forum: Are we all in agreement that the HJ / HE is an extra service? Isn't this the minimum that we pursue this hobby for? If not, we're saying that we're paying 80 for a massage and maybe a table shower? Is that the general consensus? Dude,

$80 for an hour in NOVA is a rip off IMHO. However it is what it is now. $60 for a half hr is even worse deal. This is what I pay in CA for 1 hour, HJ, roaming etc. I have even gotten a girl in a private residence thats does this occassionally to $65 for massagi and FS and 2 pops with the 2nd a HJ.

Anyway, the tips subject can go ad nauseum. Standard was. 40 but with inflation its. 60 I gather whatever you give is what you give. I give whatever I feel right and I don't give a shit what anybody thinks as no one here pays my car payment, insurance or mortgage.

PC out

Willett
05-31-11, 09:23
Long time away travelling for business abroad, I am back in the area to enjoy some Korean relaxation. My therapist at CTM was Yumi who gave a friendly welcome upon arrival. For those who know Sara, I found Yumi a bit more attractive and friendly than Sara but she is not a spinner or young. Yumi gives a great table shower, she does massage you a bit while you're being washed. No sauna in this venue. Back in the room; her massage skills are definitely above average. While her massage is sensual she also provided a very proficient and strong therapeutic massage with some stretching. Standard VA finish but very nicely done. After finish she continued massaging me to fill the hour. Overall positive experience and would recommend her.

Ready
05-31-11, 10:04
Glance back through the Forum, and see what is beneficial. Prior to 2005, most of us could pick up information fairly easy. A number of you have already said the same thing, so here I'm laboring the same comments.

Fees are $60 for a half hour, or $80 for an hour. Just accept it or give this hobby up; the girls split with the house doesn't change our hourly rate. On tips, suggest using $40 (never more) for a HJ, $60 for bare, and then $80-120 for the max. For your ATF, that is between the two of you.

What's important. The places to visit or not, which girls are special or not, and the fact it is worth our time and money. For additional details & suggestions, we can PM whoever we want.

Ambidextrous
05-31-11, 13:35
Thought I'the check out this office park location, just to get a feel for the place for possible later visits. A chunky woman in her 30s came to the door, told me they were busy, could I come back, it was. 8 / hr. She looked young for MMS, but not attractive enough to be the talent. I asked if Yung worked there (I had heard good things about her) , she shook her head no, 'all new. ' Hmmm.

Driving around the building, I spotted a sign for a sunny place I wasn't aware of, so I stopped and rang the bell. A middle-aged woman came to the door, she seemed to have difficulty speaking, asked me to come back. Asked how much for massage, she responded with some strange hand gestures. I said I didn't understand, she said. 6 / hh, .8 / hr. I asked if she gave the massage. She said yes. Pass.

Hofi35
05-31-11, 17:11
I'll shut up. First thanks for the appreciation. Second, I read the forum every couple of days and I read everything. Just like you've said there is always some usefull info. Third I understand that tipping discussion is as important as any other. I think tip info should be in every report. It just appears to me that one person overtipping at one place one girl one time is not going to raise it for the rest of us. Same like one guy undertipping is not doing us favor by lowering the price. Ok now I shut up.


Telling people to shut up is indeed expressing an opinion, but it's a wet blanket onto the valid discussions of other contributing participants in an open forum.

I appreciate your reviews and contributions, and your insight into the hobby, but I think you're letting your dislike of the topic of tipping become an I'dée fixe.

Considering that the amount of tip expected for service changes over time, and that cost is one of the big 3 factors in the hobby (with service and safety probably the other two) , telling people not to talk about tipping, ie, how much service costs, is like telling them to stop talking about how they define GFE.

You might as well go into a stock-trading forum and tell people to shut up already about fees and commissions. Do the E-Trade baby commercials bother you too?

Once upon a time, I could go to an AMP in DC, pay the house 60, and for a 100 tip, get everything I was thinking about. Now I find that the same amounts are being paid for a Nova standard. I learned this by reading it here, to my surprise and dismay.

I find the discussions on tipping helpful to gauge the market over time, and also to try to dissuade newbies from overtipping and both wasting their money and driving up costs and expectations.

There are plenty of topics and discussions on the various boards that don't interest me, but I accept having to scroll past them as the cost of participating in an open forum.

We know you don't care for tip (I. E,"cost") discussions, so just skip past them, read the reviews you like, and as an established senior, feel free to PM me or anyone else for more details on things that interest you.

Hofi35
05-31-11, 17:22
I hope you all doing fine in this heat. I'm looking for one girl and hope someone seen her somewhere and would be able to PM me where. Her name is Yoyo. She used to work at Orange in DC, then she moved to NoVa sometime in late summer of 09. She worked at Golden Spa in Alexandria (395 and Little River Tnpk corner). I believe she been there until late spring of 2010 then I've lost track of her. Not too long ago I've learned she may still be in Alexandria, different place. She is typical Korean lady, bit older, tight body about 5'2", speak English little to nothing. She may also be known as Nana or Lora. Anyone, anything please PM. Thanks to you all and be safe.

Oppen
05-31-11, 21:37
I called first, asking for Yoyo, and was told she was working that day. Of course she turned out not to be there. This is SOP at some spas so I wasn't too surprised. This was my first visit to Papaya, and I liked the surroundings and decided to see who mms would send. Lisa looks to be in her early 30s, a bit above average looks, around 5'7', dark hair to mid-back and has a thin but athletic body with bee cups. Not really my type but she gave excellent service in every part of the session, so I ended up being happy that I saw her.

The TS was thorough and went beyond cleaning to include some massage. She lingered over certain areas, and I got the vibe that this would be a fun session. She said things like, 'you like the light touch. ' If you see her I'the advise against agreeing with this. I read a review of her on another site, where talking about light touch led to a very short session back in the room. Instead, I told her I like a hard massage, and she went with that. It was long, therapeutic, and included stretching (which was great, I'm not very limber). She worked very hard. Just prior to the flip she planted a series of small kisses on my back and blew in my ear. After stripping down she started out with a sensual massage and light kisses and we were headed for a standard nova finish. A little polite negotiation followed and the menu expanded. I'll just say that I'm glad that it did.

She works fourteen days in a row and then has seven off. She's down here from NY, so who knows how long she'll be here.

Happy hunting

Fatpig
06-01-11, 07:22
I wanted to try out MWC but could not find it. Drove around about 30 minutes searching for it. I did not have the directions or map at the time. Oh well next time. Did not want to go down rt 50 for the 7 corners spot even though its 60$ for the hour now.

So I doubled around and went to Papaya. Place is a bit run down but whatever. MMS led me in. I asked for YUNG but it is actually YOUNG. I did not lie I was not there before. In comes Angela. Not really my cup of tea. Shower was busy so she gave a half ass massage with oil. Then 20 minutes in we go shower. Basic TS. More light to semi medium massage then good flip. Did alot of talking. And wanted more tip. And I tipped GOOD. LOL. Crazy. Plus she could go with shaving her legs. Not so smooth.

On the way out I saw black haired lady, thin, looked a bit older but she was wearing black dress. Not bad. Maybe this was Young or Lisa that are also there per the mms.

Sleazebum
06-01-11, 12:01
Excellent Post! These are the most reasonable rates for the NoVa world. Do or do not follow this suggeston but please keep arguments in PM mode and not in the open.

JJ


Glance back through the Forum, and see what is beneficial. Prior to 2005, most of us could pick up information fairly easy. A number of you have already said the same thing, so here I'm laboring the same comments.

Fees are $60 for a half hour, or $80 for an hour. Just accept it or give this hobby up; the girls split with the house doesn't change our hourly rate. On tips, suggest using $40 (never more) for a HJ, $60 for bare, and then $80-120 for the max. For your ATF, that is between the two of you.

What's important. The places to visit or not, which girls are special or not, and the fact it is worth our time and money. For additional details & suggestions, we can PM whoever we want.

Fatpig
06-01-11, 13:37
I wanted to try out MWC but could not find it. Drove around about 30 minutes searching for it. I did not have the directions or map at the time. Oh well next time. Did not want to go down rt 50 for the 7 corners spot even though its 60$ for the hour now.

Shit just looked it up. I took the exit to 7corners. Dam. MWC will be hit next time now!

BlkPrinceVa
06-01-11, 15:39
Thought I'the check out this office park location, just to get a feel for the place for possible later visits. A chunky woman in her 30s came to the door, told me they were busy, could I come back, it was. 8 / hr. She looked young for MMS, but not attractive enough to be the talent. I asked if Yung worked there (I had heard good things about her) , she shook her head no, 'all new. ' Hmmm.

Driving around the building, I spotted a sign for a sunny place I wasn't aware of, so I stopped and rang the bell. A middle-aged woman came to the door, she seemed to have difficulty speaking, asked me to come back. Asked how much for massage, she responded with some strange hand gestures. I said I didn't understand, she said. 6 / hh, .8 / hr. I asked if she gave the massage. She said yes. Pass.Ambi, this sounds like the place I wrote about in my post a few weeks ago. If it was near / at the end it was the same place. This place seems to be a one / two person shop where the providers are the managers as well. See my post for details.

There is at least one other spot in this complex. It is on the upper floor and does give TS.

Uksausage
06-01-11, 16:10
Seen a few posts on BP about a new place near the country club, this place is right around the corner from me. Was wondering if anyone had been since I'm still new to the AMP world. Visited one in landmark a few months ago and all my other experience has been with independents so I'm skeptical of most places and not sure what all I should look out for.I was wondering the same so came here to see if any reports. Can't see any so I decided to take one for the team.

I am so glad I did. Place is called Shiner Therapy I guess we can call it ST!

4 or 5 modern rooms, staffed by 2 maybe 3 Koreans. Good looking. Mimi my girl spoke good English. No table in shower. But did get a shampoo which with heat around was very nice. Has a small sauna we didn't use.

Had an amazing massage. That was worth the 80. She detected the spots I was needing work on without any prompting. Took her time and was nice and heavy on the massage.

Playful and focused throughout you may need to PM me for more detail I will try to log in regularly. Plenty of roaming allowed and encouraged before the flip and then went beyond a normal NOVA service IMO.

After I had finished during dinner we still had time for frontal massage which was a good as the back.

Its local to me and I will definitely be returning, perhaps to report on the other girl (longer dark curly hair). But would take Mimi every time.

BlkPrinceVa
06-01-11, 16:23
Glance back through the Forum, and see what is beneficial. Prior to 2005, most of us could pick up information fairly easy. A number of you have already said the same thing, so here I'm laboring the same comments.

Fees are $60 for a half hour, or $80 for an hour. Just accept it or give this hobby up; the girls split with the house doesn't change our hourly rate. On tips, suggest using $40 (never more) for a HJ, $60 for bare, and then $80-120 for the max. For your ATF, that is between the two of you.

What's important. The places to visit or not, which girls are special or not, and the fact it is worth our time and money. For additional details & suggestions, we can PM whoever we want. I agree 100. You've confirmed that some folks on this forum are paying waaaaayyyy to much for standard service. While that is their right, your and other responses I've received indicated the scale you included is exactly right on.

Thanks

Hofi35
06-01-11, 17:52
For all of you who tried to PM me, I forgot that my mail box was completely full. Took care of it so if you don't mind to resend those messages. Thanks very much

Ambidextrous
06-01-11, 20:55
Second visit here. Change of guard today. Arrived early and had the privilege of seeing the new talent and MMS dropped off in front of the building by a man in a nondescript Ford sedan (now there's a guy who really deserves the title of monger). Rode up in the elevator with talent, MMS, and a big rolling suitcase. Introduced myself politely, shook hands. Smiles, good vibes. MMS said her name is 'Lily, ' talent is 'Coco. '

Once in apt, MMS got her situated and departed. She slipped into a skimpy outfit. Nice curvy figure, B cups, decent face. Said she was 23 but I'd guess closer to 30. Said she arrived yesterday from China (Shanghai) and will be here two weeks. Spoke very limited English. Gave me an interesting type of massage where she climbs up on your back on her knees. Enjoyed it, although to me massage is just a warmup for the main event.

It doesn't take a lot of experience in this game to know when a provider's heart is not in it. Coco was nice enough, but it was clear she was not willing to create an illusion of romance. Discouraged kissing, DATY terminated after a minute or so (claimed she came – I'm sure!) , no BBBJ even for a few seconds though I pleaded. She seemed to be rushing things, so I asked, 'Are you in a hurry? ' She said no, but it was apparent she was trying to get to the finale asap.

I accepted the limitations she imposed with a sigh and we proceeded to covered BJ and doggie-style finish. I have had better times with non-FS providers who at least didn't act like they were allergic to spunk. Worst of all, she said two things that are total mood killers: 'How much you pay? ' ('I already paid you! ') and 'I do more next time! ' ('Why not this time? '). At the end she said, 'I know you not happy. '

Total damage: $.6 flat fee. No tip, but I did give her a small jade trinket I picked up in Chinatown for this very purpose. Doesn't hurt to show a little appreciation.

Despite less-than-ideal aspects of the experience, left feeling good. Hard not to be pleased with yourself when you just got some good quality strange. But will not repeat with this provider.

As always, YMMV. Maybe another guy would really turn her crank.

Happy hunting, stay safe and be kind to your provider.

Lovejugs
06-02-11, 02:18
As I am sure senior members have seen Busty Jennifer from Hawaii (if she really was) was one of my favs. Before she left V & P she gave me her cell number (She didn't tell me she was leaving there). Not sure if it is her client cell or her personal. She called me out of the blue (on my monger phone) about a month after my last visit with her at V & P. She said to no longer give specific info on what she does on my last visit. Then another monger posted a report of his V & P visit about a week later I think, so maybe she thought It was me and was calling to ***** me out? I tried calling her back 2 or 3 times and gave up. No answer, no return call. Another little bit of info: she seemed really surprised that I found out where she worked after she left Best, later Far East. She always asked me how I found her. I just told her some friends told me. The other interesting thing is she has seen this site because she told me she was going to measure her nipples after I reported they were 3/4" long on one of my reports. I know the mamasan at Far East was not happy about my report. Questions: 1) Do you think she thought I was a dangerous stalker and wanted a contact number to give to authorities. 2) Do you think she had something to do with the busts since both Far East and Best were busted after she left those places? Of course I know there could be many explainations. IE she left town, etc. I am just a person who likes a good detective story and I like to investigate stuff. What do you all think? Please post in the public forum. Don't waste my PM's. Thanks.

Lovejugs

Ntxxxx
06-02-11, 09:06
I called first, asking for Yoyo, and was told she was working that day. Of course she turned out not to be there. This is SOP at some spas so I wasn't too surprised. This was my first visit to Papaya, and I liked the surroundings and decided to see who mms would send. Lisa looks to be in her early 30s, a bit above average looks, around 5'7', dark hair to mid-back and has a thin but athletic body with bee cups. Not really my type but she gave excellent service in every part of the session, so I ended up being happy that I saw her.

The TS was thorough and went beyond cleaning to include some massage. She lingered over certain areas, and I got the vibe that this would be a fun session. She said things like, 'you like the light touch. ' If you see her I'the advise against agreeing with this. I read a review of her on another site, where talking about light touch led to a very short session back in the room. Instead, I told her I like a hard massage, and she went with that. It was long, therapeutic, and included stretching (which was great, I'm not very limber). She worked very hard. Just prior to the flip she planted a series of small kisses on my back and blew in my ear. After stripping down she started out with a sensual massage and light kisses and we were headed for a standard nova finish. A little polite negotiation followed and the menu expanded. I'll just say that I'm glad that it did.

She works fourteen days in a row and then has seven off. She's down here from NY, so who knows how long she'll be here.

Happy huntingYoyo works at MWC at 8300 Arlington Blvd. #E3 Fairfax, near the eye center building. She has been there everytime.

Fatpig
06-02-11, 09:07
As I am sure senior members have seen Busty Jennifer from Hawaii (if she really was) was one of my favs. Before she left V & P she gave me her cell number (She didn't tell me she was leaving there). Not sure if it is her client cell or her personal. She called me out of the blue (on my monger phone) about a month after my last visit with her at V & P. She said to no longer give specific info on what she does on my last visit. Then another monger posted a report of his V & P visit about a week later I think, so maybe she thought It was me and was calling to * me out? I tried calling her back 2 or 3 times and gave up. No answer, no return call. Another little bit of info: she seemed really surprised that I found out where she worked after she left Best, later Far East. She always asked me how I found her. I just told her some friends told me. The other interesting thing is she has seen this site because she told me she was going to measure her nipples after I reported they were 3/4" long on one of my reports. I know the mamasan at Far East was not happy about my report. Questions: 1) Do you think she thought I was a dangerous stalker and wanted a contact number to give to authorities. 2) Do you think she had something to do with the busts since both Far East and Best were busted after she left those places? Of course I know there could be many explainations. IE she left town, etc. I am just a person who likes a good detective story and I like to investigate stuff. What do you all think? Please post in the public forum. Don't waste my PM's. Thanks.

LovejugsLooks like she feels you told too much of her on this forum. And now she does not want you tracking her or talking her. Take the hint. Before she gave you her number. Now she not answering. Move on.

Lovejugs
06-02-11, 11:37
Looks like she feels you told too much of her on this forum. And now she does not want you tracking her or talking her. Take the hint. Before she gave you her number. Now she not answering. Move on.If you had seen her, you would know why I miss those big naturals and professionalism. I have moved on. I don't call her now. I was a little more worried about her tracking me since she is the one who asked for my number. But, yeah, I guess I should keep my keeper talent's info to myself. Lesson learned. Thanks for your input.

Lovejugs

Ecroto
06-02-11, 12:07
I will be traveling to Chantilly soon. Anyone have a recent report on Best Therapy or Holiday spa near the convention center.

Please PM me.

Thanks Erik

BlkPrinceVa
06-02-11, 17:14
I used to frequent a provider at Orange on Capital Hill in DC. She was unique in that she was a little thicker that most asian women. She had huge naturals up top and a very plump bottom. She also had a colorful tattoo on her back. She was one of my ATF and I lost track after Orange shut down. In my conversation with her she indicated she was an independent, owned her own house in NoVa (which she was constantly fixing up) , and traveled a lot to Vegas. If anyone knows of this provider and can give me some intel on her that would be appreciated.

Black Coffee
06-02-11, 19:54
If you had seen her, you would know why I miss those big naturals and professionalism. I have moved on. I don't call her now. I was a little more worried about her tracking me since she is the one who asked for my number. But, yeah, I guess I should keep my keeper talent's info to myself. Lesson learned. Thanks for your input.

LovejugsCheck out my post #4831

Also they may get us mixed up on here and blame one guy for another's TMI post.

BKKguy
06-02-11, 23:04
I met BeBe on my way out, she seems to have a bit of a wilder spark that Judy / Kim has. I may return for her.I never posted my report on M&M because nothing really special happened that hasn't been reported on previously. However, so you're aware. I visited back on my last DC trip (May 2011) and drew Bebe. Mid thirties. Likes working in VA (why?) because she no have to boom-boom. Oh well, after discovering this in the TS I knew my hour would be more therapeutic. She is fun and a good masseuse. Can walk out kinks too. But you won't get anything fun on the flip, and she doesn't allow roaming. Not bashing her, she's a nice lady but whether you offer her the standard. 4 tip, or add more in a la carte options with. 2 increments, she sticks to standard nova, with her gear on. YMMV but for me, I've seen enough in M&M to feel my time/$ is better spent elsewhere. Go here if you need a therapeutic and a good standard nova. Go to CTM for fun.

Bunker Buster
06-02-11, 23:06
Check out my post #4831

Also they may get us mixed up on here and blame one guy for another's TMI post. I never allow any provider of any kind to know that I post here or elsewhere. The fewer connections that can be made, the better for many reasons. Being able to connect you in real life to your postings gives a treasure trove of information that could be turned against you.

A long time ago, Kim, who was running DT after previously running Kona (and working there prior) referred to a post I'd put up on a large-canine site. I denied it, and I can't tell if she believed me, but became much more careful after that.

Lovejugs
06-03-11, 00:40
Check out my post #4831

Also they may get us mixed up on here and blame one guy for another's TMI post. Yeah, being anonymous posters causes a few problems now and again. That was the funny thing. I told her I wouldn't be so graphic next report after I upset her. She didn't totally mind having a post up, she just said to say something about how she was professional (which she is) and did a great job, but to not get too detailed. I never told her my ID on here or about the website. The Mamasan at Far East monitors this site. Funny she asked me what a Nova finish was, LOL. So after I told her I wouldn't bust her out anymore she asked for my phone number. She called out of the blue, around the time another guy made a post about her, but didn't leave a message. She may have also been calling to bug me to come in for a visit, which I was about to do, but went to the beach instead. We played phone tag a couple times, I called once more, and then figured she had left the state or something. Sunny at Best was telling me Jennifer was part owner of a restaurant in Texas. And Jennifer did tell me at V & P that she had just gotten back from Texas to see some friends. Never mentioned a thing about a business. Sunny seems a little shady, so I don't know what the real story is. Regardless, I am just a curious person and yes maybe a little nosey. Be safe.

Lovejugs

Lovejugs
06-03-11, 00:45
I never allow any provider of any kind to know that I post here or elsewhere. The fewer connections that can be made, the better for many reasons. Being able to connect you in real life to your postings gives a treasure trove of information that could be turned against you.

A long time ago, Kim, who was running DT after previously running Kona (and working there prior) referred to a post I'd put up on a large-canine site. I denied it, and I can't tell if she believed me, but became much more careful after that. Good advice. Thanks.

Lovejugs

Ready
06-03-11, 15:56
My ATF has decided to move over to a new spa called Four Seasons in Falls Church, or the Merrifield area as most of you know it. She doesn't like her details on the Internet, so I hestiate to say anything but the spa is hidden from public view (away from your family & friends driving drive) and being new, it is clean, well laid-out and has a fresh smell.

Place to visit or not: Yes.

Girls special or not: Yes, for my ATF.

Worth time & money: Yes

BlkPrinceVa
06-03-11, 17:44
Good first time visit to this place that advertises that it's a "new" place. The location is secluded, with only one way in and out (could be a problem with LE if during late hours). Great facility that is large, very clean, with about 10 private rooms. The TS room and table were both large and clean.

My provider was Mimi. Body 8, face 7. Great massage and service. House. 8 and tip. 4 with very good NoVa finish.

I will visit again.

PM for more details, if necessary.

Oppen
06-03-11, 17:57
Yoyo works at MWC at 8300 Arlington Blvd. #E3 Fairfax, near the eye center building. She has been there everytime.Thanks, Ntxxxx. I've seen the Yoyo you're talking about twice. She's great. I was talking about another Yoyo who has been working in the Tysons Corner area, though apparently no longer.

Needtorelax
06-03-11, 23:17
Visited the new spot in Sterling so will post up about that here in a moment, but figure I'd give a quick overview of my experiences over the past few years. Figure most of the info's old but figure better than nothing.

Most recent before today that I've been to was Booja. By far my best experience. Saw a girl whose named started with an E. Probably in her 40's, decent on top, not bad for her age. First time there picked up quick on my preference regarding my backside. TS all three times by far the best I've had, pretty decent massage, and end was very good with extras on the 3rd visit (PM for details). Gave. 6 each time, as was definitely better than standard nova.

Rumors true the place is shut down? Was hoping to visit again shortly?

Been to a few others around. Far East a few years back and then again about 6 months back. First two times were my first at AMPs and probably didn't help the experience. When I went back some time ago was pretty enjoyable. Forget the name of the lady but was VERY nice up top, talkative but nice girl, who picked up again on what I liked.

Was at Holiday a few times on lunch breaks. Got the MMS every time I think. Was very nice, a bit older but not a bad looker. She think realized pretty quick I'd been to a couple, gave me a joking scolding about only a. 4 tip each time and told me to bring more, but always with a hug and a laugh so was pretty sure she knew I wasn't going to for standard finish. Never seemed to cause a bad attitude by her towards me.

Went to a few in Sterling. Did Green before it was closed. 4 hands. Complete rip off. The girls talked more than anything else and half the time one or the other was out of the room. Went to King a few times before it was busted but apparently was too inexperienced at that time to figure out the full menu.

Went to Sun Spa in Sterling a few months back. Horrible experience. Poor massage, unenthusiastic finish, a shower that wasn't a table but an actual shower they just shove you in. Not good at all.

Needtorelax
06-03-11, 23:23
Went today to the new place off of 7 in Sterling, Dollar. Seems like its being Pseudo legit. Very similar to the feeling I got from Sun Spa, the other Sterling place. Was. 6 for the hour, so figured I'd give it a shot for the discount. Able was lady, wasn't too bad on the eyes, perhaps a bit older. I will give her this, EXCELLENT massage. One of the best I had got. Varied techniques, good pressure, excellent.

Unfortunately, that's the only good thing I can say for it. Right off the bat said shower was at the end, not the start, and that made me think things were a bit weird. She tried to keep parts covered the entire time. The flip was almost at the hour point, and she asks me if I want another 30 minutes and she'd do for. 3. I'm figuring she went long on the massage. 30 for a bit more time on the front and then a nice lengthy finish would be worth it. Thought. 9 for hour and a half was pretty good.

Well, front massage was good but again, completely keeping down below covered even as she goes up and down the legs. Then, without any finish, tells me time for shower and asks me if I want to do it alone or her wash. I say her and she says another. 1 for TS. I figure that's not too much, and maybe. Little hope here but doubted it. Finish would come in the shower. Thought that'd be an interesting change. No such luck, kept me covered again the entire time during the shower.

Kept thanking me and asking me how I was the whole time, and I did tell her the massage was excellent and got MOST of the stress out. Not taking the hint though. Hand over the rest and she mentions tip, I give. 2 for the good massage (Would've given less but wasn't going to ask for change) and get out of there.

Great massage, and I'd go back for just the hour at only. 6 with a small tip for just that. But not worth it if you're wanting standard nova.

Dmv Guy
06-03-11, 23:40
Waste of time, no extras whatsoever.

Dmv Guy
06-03-11, 23:43
Couple trips in the last few months. Good TS with attention to the right spots. Nice massage with back walk. Relaxed, non rushed. Standard NOVA finish. Will return and look for more!

Too Jaded
06-04-11, 07:30
I normally see a fave provider at ST earlier in the week but decided to try something new and drew Sara. I won't be long winded but I will say that the TS was great and everything else was standard nova but very well executed with a great technique. Point 8 and point 5.

7. 5/7/8/9.

Also not to alarm anyone but May's picture was taken off th wall and mamasan just smiled and said nothing when I asked about it. Perhaps it is temporary, or perhaps not. Hopefully can check early next week to find out.

Badboycik
06-04-11, 08:10
Went to old Kim's yesterday. They were busy and I didn't want to wait so I went to initial place around the corner. In middle of massage she asked,"how much you going to give me?" I had sixty since that is my normal tip at old Kim's. She stopped massage and had me get up from table and go get the money for her! Provider not in least bit attractive, poor massage and the interuption mean I will never, ever go there again! Old Kim's is an ATF and I should have waited!

Willett
06-04-11, 11:39
Visited Spa Castle a few days ago. Candy provided a nice, thorough table shower and one of the better therapeutic massages I have received in Korean establishments in the area; very firm and strong hands. For some people the massage may have been too hard but I liked it. Massage rooms are very clean and spacious, and they have larger than normal massage table. Candy used generous amount of clean towels to keep you comfortable during the massage. The finish was very good for NOVA standard; some ass play and roaming allowed but she did not undress. Great service overall but I did not find Candy very attractive, saw Bebe while on premises and she was much better looking.

Bunker Buster
06-04-11, 13:11
Went today to the new place off of 7 in Sterling, Dollar. Seems like its being Pseudo legit. Very similar to the feeling I got from Sun Spa, the other Sterling place. Was. 6 for the hour, so figured I'd give it a shot for the discount. Able was lady, wasn't too bad on the eyes, perhaps a bit older. I will give her this, EXCELLENT massage. One of the best I had got. Varied techniques, good pressure, excellent.

Unfortunately, that's the only good thing I can say for it. Right off the bat said shower was at the end, not the start, and that made me think things were a bit weird. She tried to keep parts covered the entire time. The flip was almost at the hour point, and she asks me if I want another 30 minutes and she'd do for. 3. I'm figuring she went long on the massage. 30 for a bit more time on the front and then a nice lengthy finish would be worth it. Thought. 9 for hour and a half was pretty good.

Well, front massage was good but again, completely keeping down below covered even as she goes up and down the legs. Then, without any finish, tells me time for shower and asks me if I want to do it alone or her wash. I say her and she says another. 1 for TS. I figure that's not too much, and maybe. Little hope here but doubted it. Finish would come in the shower. Thought that'd be an interesting change. No such luck, kept me covered again the entire time during the shower.

Kept thanking me and asking me how I was the whole time, and I did tell her the massage was excellent and got MOST of the stress out. Not taking the hint though. Hand over the rest and she mentions tip, I give. 2 for the good massage (Would've given less but wasn't going to ask for change) and get out of there.

Great massage, and I'd go back for just the hour at only. 6 with a small tip for just that. But not worth it if you're wanting standard nova. Places like that deliberately don't finish a full massage within the time you asked for, and keep asking if you want more time, for more $ of course. They somehow always end up having done only one side, or they've only done one leg when the buzzer rings, but do you want more time?

She honed that time technique in the curtained places in NY that use egg timers, and became a pro at not finishing on time, leaving customers hanging, to squeeze a little more time and money.

A real professional would do everything in the proper time, or finish the advertised service (full-body, not just the back) without asking the customer for more money to do her job.

She upsold you for 40, and you threw in another 20 to reward her for intentionally stretching out and even charging extra for a TS that was advertised as part of the deal (Grade opening promotion $60 / hour with massage, reflexology, facial, body scrubs).

120 for a 90 minute massage. She knew you brought extra money in for something else, and separated it all from you in small increments, smiling, bowing and thanking you the whole time, right out the door with full balls and an empty wallet.

Think that's the first time she's run that operation on a customer?

Ready
06-04-11, 15:23
I agree. It is a bummer if you go expecting something up-lifting, and walk out with your buddy's head still hanging low. I have to agree with both of you, the table shower definitely sounded like a bait-and-switch, and a con job. Now all of us know, thank you.

Unless you are at Massage Envy or a Shopping Center, $120 for a 90 minute legit massage is a typical price unless you're in Bangkok. I generally pay $70-80 / hour for a great massage, and $30 tip if they were excellent and went the whole hour. I tip high (same amount) at Massage Envy, if they are excellent. For 90 minutes, most places jump up a little less than 50% and my tip is $40. The tipping is totally your own judgement call, and depends if you plan to return.

For an AMP Massage. I'm not going for a professional massage, but it is very nice if we have someone that knows what she is doing. With the table shower and entertainment at the end, my massages rarely last over 20-30 minutes, and they certainly are not covered!


Places like that deliberately don't finish a full massage within the time you asked for, and keep asking if you want more time, for more $ of course. They somehow always end up having done only one side, or they've only done one leg when the buzzer rings, but do you want more time?

She honed that time technique in the curtained places in NY that use egg timers, and became a pro at not finishing on time, leaving customers hanging, to squeeze a little more time and money.

A real professional would do everything in the proper time, or finish the advertised service (full-body, not just the back) without asking the customer for more money to do her job.

She upsold you for 40, and you threw in another 20 to reward her for intentionally stretching out and even charging extra for a TS that was advertised as part of the deal (Grade opening promotion $60 / hour with massage, reflexology, facial, body scrubs).

120 for a 90 minute massage. She knew you brought extra money in for something else, and separated it all from you in small increments, smiling, bowing and thanking you the whole time, right out the door with full balls and an empty wallet.

Think that's the first time she's run that operation on a customer?

Pcpc1688
06-04-11, 18:40
Visited the new spot in Sterling so will post up about that here in a moment, but figure I'd give a quick overview of my experiences over the past few years. Figure most of the info's old but figure better than nothing.

Most recent before today that I've been to was Booja. By far my best experience. Saw a girl whose named started with an E. Probably in her 40's, decent on top, not bad for her age. First time there picked up quick on my preference regarding my backside. TS all three times by far the best I've had, pretty decent massage, and end was very good with extras on the 3rd visit (PM for details). Gave. 6 each time, as was definitely better than standard nova.

Rumors true the place is shut down? Was hoping to visit again shortly?

Been to a few others around. Far East a few years back and then again about 6 months back. First two times were my first at AMPs and probably didn't help the experience. When I went back some time ago was pretty enjoyable. Forget the name of the lady but was VERY nice up top, talkative but nice girl, who picked up again on what I liked.

Was at Holiday a few times on lunch breaks. Got the MMS every time I think. Was very nice, a bit older but not a bad looker. She think realized pretty quick I'd been to a couple, gave me a joking scolding about only a. 4 tip each time and told me to bring more, but always with a hug and a laugh so was pretty sure she knew I wasn't going to for standard finish. Never seemed to cause a bad attitude by her towards me.

Went to a few in Sterling. Did Green before it was closed. 4 hands. Complete rip off. The girls talked more than anything else and half the time one or the other was out of the room. Went to King a few times before it was busted but apparently was too inexperienced at that time to figure out the full menu.

Went to Sun Spa in Sterling a few months back. Horrible experience. Poor massage, unenthusiastic finish, a shower that wasn't a table but an actual shower they just shove you in. Not good at all. For a newbie here, you posted some good intel. For other newbies that post here, please take second to read what this gentleman has done. You will be quite surprised that if you come into this forum or any others on USAG, that most members appreciate info freely given and will reciprocate most times.

I havnt done many NOVA AMPs for this exact reason that Needtorelax has shared. I have not seem it as money well spent here at all but thats just my opinion. Granted alot of guys here can't go to Cali all the time to sample the product there or China for that matter.

Anyhow, cudos to you and keep up the posting that have value.

PC out

Needtorelax
06-04-11, 23:31
Think that's the first time she's run that operation on a customer?Not in the least. She knew damn well what she was doing. The. 2 at the end was basically me deciding that at the very least the massage had got me relaxed and destressed, even without the finish, and I'd rather throw something out there and get out with a lot of back and forth then have to feel that stress level go back up as the inevitable bickering starts.

But no, I'm in no way thinking she didn't know exactly what she did, and due to that I'm likely not returning to the place. Not nearly naive enough to think that all wasn't all on purpose.

Foxfax
06-05-11, 10:57
I had heard good things about this place, and I decided to stop in. I stopped in late in the evening, and I think I was the only one there. I didn't catch the lady's name, but she appeared to be in her late 30's. She had a nice set of D's, which she knows how to use. I paid the house fee, .7, which I guess is only for 45 minutes, based on how long my session lasted.

She started with a nice table shower, ensuring everything was squeaky clean. After helping to dry me off, we went back to the room and she began an average massage. During the massage, roaming was encouraged, there weren't many limitations. 20 minutes into the session, she wanted me to flip. I asked her to keep working out the knots in my back. So she did for another 10 minutes, and then I flipped. She wanted her tip in advance, and I was a bit surprised by that. She also quoted 1. 3, saying that was the going rate. I disagreed, and I showed her that I had funds to cover what I consider to be the standard rate. Much to my surprise, she grabbed at the funds. I guess she's had some trouble in the past, or it was a slow day. Anyway, we finally agreed on 1, and suffice it to say that things ended happily. For both of us.

Skwishy
06-05-11, 14:37
Last night, I felt like a massage after having spent the evening near Tyson's. I had wanted to try Papaya again for a while as I haven't been there in over a year, so convenience convinced me to head over there. Didn't seem too busy when I got there. MMS collected the. 8 house fee and vanished. Provider walked in about a minute later. Very attractive lady. She said her name was Bonnie. Looked to be late 20's and very fit. Asked if I had been there before and if I wanted the shower. I answered yes to both, so off we went.

TS was nice. Not that playful, but still got cleaned in all the relevant areas. Back to the room where she finished drying me off and then started on the massage. I like hard massages, and this one was medium to hard. Fairly relaxing, and she spent a lot of time working on my legs while sitting on top of me. She was wearing a short dress, so lots of skin on skin contact happened. Eventually, she moved on to the soft touch and had me flip over. That's when the annoying bit happened. She wanted to negotiate. After a few minutes of her trying to upsell me, we settled on. 4 for standard NoVA. Afterwards, she told me to bring more money for the tip next time, and ask for Bonnie.

On one hand, I'd like to go back and see what else she'll do for a higher tip. On the other, I think I'll be happier going to one of my regular providers who have never tried to upsell me.

Total for the trip was. 8.4. Cheers guys.

Telcova
06-05-11, 15:13
I drew Coco, said only 30min available (no cars in the parking lot) , oh well went with the flow. Shower and quick massage, I needed more back work. The flip and the up-selling, I gave my "don't talk money". More than standard was on the menu, I opted for the standard. I guess I'll try again but not with her.

Badboycik
06-05-11, 22:11
Go to Old Kim's, now Orient. I have never had an upsell there and in fact I have never had girl count the tip until I was gone. Ask for Mona she is the best.

Capricaone
06-06-11, 00:19
I've noticed the greed has risen inversely proportional to the options in DC. Coincidence? I think not. But quite annoying. I am thinking its time to start exploring other options.

AKFourtySeven
06-06-11, 09:08
I think a boycott is in order. No FS, no visits.

AKFourtySeven
06-06-11, 09:10
Yeah and when you go back Bonnie won't be there and maybe next time ad infinitum.

Time for a boycott.

AznCajun
06-06-11, 09:37
Went back to the modern place off Gallows last week, parking was AMPle, and discreetly located behind 7-11. MMS was happy to see me again, and said Lisa was on vacation, but a new K-girl was available, Ai-go (as in iPad or iPod) is her name. Very nice provider in her mid 30's, good looking, small frame, no more than 110 lbs, and about 5' 3". Good attitude and a good conversationalist, came from NY and been in US about 10 years, so her English better than most K-gal I've seen. MMS took the. 80 house fee for hour massage, ensured I would have a good massage and service. Ai-go greeting me warmly, and took me to shower down the hall. TS was nice, warm, and I felt super clean and refreshed afterwards. Went back to table in 1st massage room. It was clean and cozy. Massage was nice, it was more on the medium side, but very relaxing. The flip was very good, you can tell she's been doing this for a while. Standard NOVA finish, not much else on the menu, Ai-go was very happy with the. 40 I handed for the nice service, and I left very relaxed and happy. I will be back again. Some day.

Be safe and stay cool! AC

Mustang946
06-06-11, 12:49
Stopped by Spa Castle on my way home from work Friday and was glad to see Candy was available. Usual ample parking, clean facility, excellent TS followed by a brief stay in sauna (to prepare the skin!). I asked for special attention to neck and lower back and was not disappointed. I also asked her to apply extra lotion to my feet as they were a bit dry. Another great session with her. A cold soft drink and I was out the door ready to face the weekend.

Serpico99
06-06-11, 16:47
I went a 3rd time to the 7 corners spot, next to the Viet doctor's offices.

I drew Sonny, since Nana was out "shopping", as claimed by Sonny. I should had cut my losses and left but the little head took over once again.

TS was good, massage was light touch, had HFUMA and standard noVA fare while laying on my stomach. Gave her 50 for going the extra mile with the backdoor play. She shorted my time by about 15 minutes for a 1 hour massage. The upside is that she didn't ask for a tip upfront so I assume once she works there for a few days, she will get burned by a couple of customers and start asking for tip upfront. She has a nice personality and is playful but if I want a nice personality in a girl, I'll go look for a girlfriend LOL.

She is petite, about 5'3".ish, flat ass, flat chest, ok face, slim body. Nothing to brag about. She stated she was new there and when asked about FS, she gave me this stern expression and asked me who I knew there, etc. She said any extras, she would need to ask Nana, even for a second pop if I still had enough juice in me and wanted it.

No recommendation for Sonny.

Ready
06-06-11, 17:55
I took off early to see my ATF at another spa, but she was booked. So I called and to make an appointment with Mimi@Four Seasons for my 2nd visit. Mimi appeared not to be working today, so I was glad to meet Sara (remembering a previous post).

I was greeted by a new Mama-san, at least 20 years younger than most of the Mama-sans and classier looking than several providers! This was my first time with Sara and we went the full hour; good for my first visit. I had a nice massage & attention to details, pleasant conversation, no up-selling or counting the tip at the end. I'll look forward to a second visit with Sara. It was a friendly & relaxing.

As I was leaving, the Mama-san asked if 'massage good'. Yes. Then she shared a 'lot of new girls coming'. I would still like to see my ATF next week, but if not. I'll be back!

JesseLiver
06-06-11, 20:24
I went to peach, table shower was pretty decent. Massage was uncomfortable at times. She kinda dug her elbows really hard into my shoulder blades. It was just too sharp and strong it felt uncomfortable. Masseuse name was Jinni. Standard NOVA finish. I guess I was more happy that there was no permanent ligament damage.

Max Beelyun
06-06-11, 23:00
I was given the number of the TCCC, and finally was able to use it. I was directed to a place on Lee Hwy in Arlington. WTF, are they renovating or something?

I had to wait in the parking lot for about 20 minutes, which is never a good sign. Met a sweet lady whose name rhymes with "semprini". Not a spinner, not very young. Had a great time. She aims to please, but she was clearly tired. That's okay, I'm not demanding. I was tired too, so I needed a little extra time. Tipped her 4 for attentiveness and extra effort (normally I wouldn't at a CC).

As PA says, always be nice to the ladies. Thank heavens for sweet ladies like this one. I left feeling good.

Max Beelyun
06-06-11, 23:16
I think a boycott is in order. No FS, no visits.Been doing this for years now and NOVA has never been FS-friendly. Places that provide FS get shut down sooner or later (in FFX county, anyway).

Also, some of us don't always want FS, myself included. Some of my best experiences have been non-FS (ahhhh. Memories). If you want guaranteed FS you need to move to NY, the west coast, or visit escorts. Have a nice evening.

Telcova
06-07-11, 01:03
Go to Old Kim's, now Orient. I have never had an upsell there and in fact I have never had girl count the tip until I was gone. Ask for Mona she is the best.Mona gives a good massage. She was busy when I went and drew Carol. Good, through massage with a standard finish. Another winner.

Volvos40
06-07-11, 07:06
Went back to the modern place off Gallows last week, parking was AMPle, and discreetly located behind 7-11. MMS was happy to see me again, and said Lisa was on vacation, but a new K-girl was available, Ai-go (as in iPad or iPod) is her name. Very nice provider in her mid 30's, good looking, small frame, no more than 110 lbs, and about 5' 3". Good attitude and a good conversationalist, came from NY and been in US about 10 years, so her English better than most K-gal I've seen. MMS took the. 80 house fee for hour massage, ensured I would have a good massage and service. Ai-go greeting me warmly, and took me to shower down the hall. TS was nice, warm, and I felt super clean and refreshed afterwards. Went back to table in 1st massage room. It was clean and cozy. Massage was nice, it was more on the medium side, but very relaxing. The flip was very good, you can tell she's been doing this for a while. Standard NOVA finish, not much else on the menu, Ai-go was very happy with the. 40 I handed for the nice service, and I left very relaxed and happy. I will be back again. Some day.

Be safe and stay cool! ACI should have gone to Modern. Went to the Tyco dive back in the industrial. Tallish attactive girl answers, she's going through her mail. It's about 3pm. I ask her name, she says another girl will be provider. Ok. 8 for the hr. Nana comes in, really overweight (I'm not) korean girl. I wanted to bolt. WTF. Head to TS, it's OK, place hand over the king. Little massage during TS, then into cold sauna. Never warms up, she takes to me to nice room. I need a hard massage and she does a 7/10 massage, little soft touch at around 35 mins, then the flip and the upsell. I am so over this crap. I think that I'm getting a little extra for. 6 tip. But nah. Somebody else was saying that they don't want FS, and I have never asked for it. Don't want it. She reverse cowgirl for the NOVA finish. And it's quite the large bum. Ended up doing a ped' on my feet. They were bad. That was hit. Not going back.

Xray84
06-07-11, 08:08
I have been there a number of times. Will continue to go. But they must have just added the TS. Until recently, it was a stand up shower.

ADThat's correct. Stand up shower only.

MoonView
06-07-11, 15:39
Well, every once in a while there are disappointments and this girl is certainly one of them, probably the poorest visit I've had at the CC's in a long time.

Don't like to make such harsh critiques on the open forum as these girls have to make a living but in this case guys save your cash this one is a complete waste of time (& money).

PMs if needed but I think it's pretty clear above, not recommended!

MnV

MoonView
06-07-11, 15:52
I was given the number of the TCCC, and finally was able to use it. I was directed to a place on Lee Hwy in Arlington. WTF, are they renovating or something?

I had to wait in the parking lot for about 20 minutes, which is never a good sign. Met a sweet lady whose name rhymes with "semprini". Not a spinner, not very young. Had a great time. She aims to please, but she was clearly tired. That's okay, I'm not demanding. I was tired too, so I needed a little extra time. Tipped her 4 for attentiveness and extra effort (normally I wouldn't at a CC).

As PA says, always be nice to the ladies. Thank heavens for sweet ladies like this one. I left feeling good.

Good call MaxB, sounds like a very pleasant session. I should have call there, speaking of which it sounds more like you were re-routed to the FCCC location rather than the TCCC one.

And yes, PA does have it right!

MnV

Banker Boy
06-07-11, 22:09
With the new law set to go into effect in three weeks, I've done some hobbying at Best and Holiday in the past week.

"Susie" is a, um, well-endowed K girl who speaks flawless English. She says she's been at Holiday for a few weeks now. The newest mamasan has done what she can to make the place presentable, but of course, it's showing its age. (I've been going there for what. 11 years now? Still the same equipment.) She gives an EXCELLENT TS and massage. I left a $100 bill underneath my glasses, and she took the cue properly. Everything was above board, but it was a good time. I will repeat before July.

Sunny still runs Best, and Sunny still knows how to treat a man better than anyone I've met in this business. She's a little nuts, but when she's on, she's on. She runs a good operation, tries to get good and pretty girls, and I've never had a bad experience there since she's been running the place. Someone posted a few days ago that they got busted, but I didn't see any evidence of that. (Not saying they're incorrect, just saying I didn't see any articles, and I got treated the same as I always have there.)

So right now, things are pretty good in Chantilly. Everyone's licensed, everyone's picture is on the wall, but the service is good.

Best regards,

Banker Boy

Xooom
06-07-11, 22:38
Decided to give the AMPs another shot after finding out that my under the radar massage provider had decided to move to a more convenient location for her, damn the high gas prices.

Went to 4 Seasons and met May, and I am glad I did. Great table shower, she used her hands and a soap that was above average, she massaged a bit during the shower, so it was very relaxing. Off to the sauna to warm up and then to the room. What followed was one of the best massage experiences I have had in years and it was topped off by a very nice standard ending. She was great to chat with, and I will repeat.

Looks like I have a new ATF.

She did use lotion, which I had no problem with and did enjoy. But I know some of you would rather they not, so just give her a heads up.

Ambidextrous
06-08-11, 05:36
First time at TCCC. I asked for Joyce when I called (she got a good review on this forum). The woman who answered said 'this is Joyce. ' She said it again when I called back upon arrival. Different provider 'Candy' answered the door. She said Joyce was not there tonight. Strike one for lying, bait and switch.

Candy was attractive, so I went along. Cute Thai with a tight, shapely body. Speaks very little English, communication was difficult. Lots of tattoos. Said she was 25, but looked older. Said she has been here 3 months, but declined to answer any more friendly questions and generally did not want to talk. Strike two. Quick standing shower, OK massage.

She tried to be nice, but had a strictly business attitude. Rather bossy, do this, don't do that. However, she let me DATY to completion. I suspected she faked it, but there was also reason to believe it was real. I then received a very nice BBBJCIM.

After 45 minutes, while I was getting dressed, her phone rang and she said another customer had arrived, I had to leave. Strike three. I refused, saying I had paid for one hour. She finally said ok, but there was no longer any pleasure in being there.

Total damage $$. Not worth it. I should have gone to an AMP for less than half the price and taken my chances. Left feeling bitter. Amazing how different this experience can be with different providers. Lesson learned: it quickly becomes obvious whether the provider wants to please, and it's not a function of how much you pay. Variety is great but I see the advantage in finding an ATF and sticking with her.

Benefit from my experience. Happy hunting.

Hofi35
06-08-11, 07:47
There used to be Yoyo over at Peach. Is she still there? Does she fit the description of the girl I'm looking for? I'm bit short on funds right now, that's why I ask before go. Anyone please PM me. Thanks

Mustang946
06-08-11, 16:16
Mona gives a good massage. She was busy when I went and drew Carol. Good, through massage with a standard finish. Another winner.You ever get the opportunity to have a session with MMS, table shower or the full session, she is great as well as Carol and Mona. Brings back the old days when it was under the original name.

Just Ken
06-08-11, 16:33
Lesson learned: it quickly becomes obvious whether the provider wants to please, and it's not a function of how much you pay. Variety is great but I see the advantage in finding an ATF and sticking with her.

I totally agree. That is precisely why I am sticking with my ATF. I don't have to worry about what is waiting for me behind door number 1.

Anyth Goes
06-08-11, 22:26
That must be the modern name for the place on Gallows. Anyway, came to your fair city and RTF. Anyway went there and met the MMS who took my door fee of. 8. Lele or layla or something like that met me in the room and proceded to the shower. It was warm, wet, relaxing and complete. Attentio to the right parts. Started a pretty good massage, relaxed me and so on. Got to the flip she asked what I wanted, Made the hand to mouth motion she said how much I said. 5 she said it was 1. So we regressed to HJ which she said was. 6, told her. 4 and she wouldn't budge, Even moved away so I could no longer rub the nice bolt ons. She said OK just the massage then, I caved and said OK to. 6 for HJ. It was good, I got to touch it all too but I was really disappointed in the inflated price so didn't enjoy as much as I could have. It was 55 minutes from car to car. Prolly won't repeat.

Max Beelyun
06-08-11, 22:41
You ever get the opportunity to have a session with MMS, table shower or the full session, she is great as well as Carol and Mona. Brings back the old days when it was under the original name.Does anyone know if that is the same Mona who was in Herndon?

Capricaone
06-09-11, 08:33
First time I tried the FCCC. Coco was "meh". Not good. Not terrible. Not sure if I'll repeat with this particular business.

Telcova
06-09-11, 09:03
Does anyone know if that is the same Mona who was in Herndon?I like Mona aka Mee-shell of HT also.

Telcova
06-09-11, 09:05
You ever get the opportunity to have a session with MMS, table shower or the full session, she is great as well as Carol and Mona. Brings back the old days when it was under the original name.I did session with mms, interesting finish with her foot on my chest

Vietnam Girls
06-09-11, 22:25
Went for the same provider. Just wanted to compare to this report.

Started with a bit of a money issue. I always double or tripple count my money. Always bring exact amount. Passed it off and she left the room. Then she came back and asked me if I was only staying a half hour. English wasn't too good as said in previous post. But eventually I realized she was saring I only gave $.4.

I was sure it was right and she was sure I was wrong. She came back and showed me, but that doesn't prove anything after the money left the room. I didn't give anymore and was there just a little over a half hour. Never actually been there a full hour anyway, but it was a bit of a mood ruiner. I can't save for sure she was wrong. To be sorre, always have her count in front of you.

Had the same type of massage using her knees on my back. She used elbows too. The massage was ok, but if you want a good massage, you would not go here. Massage was short as usual with some light touches. She also did something I never had done. Reached under, pulled the package down and started tugging.

Rest was standard FCCC service. Thought she was going to BBBJ, but then sudently there was a cover there. Maybe she had it in her mouth before. Some cow girl, mish and then finished. Quick self shower before I left.


Second visit here. Change of guard today. Arrived early and had the privilege of seeing the new talent and MMS dropped off in front of the building by a man in a nondescript Ford sedan (now there's a guy who really deserves the title of monger). Rode up in the elevator with talent, MMS, and a big rolling suitcase. Introduced myself politely, shook hands. Smiles, good vibes. MMS said her name is 'Lily, ' talent is 'Coco. '

Once in apt, MMS got her situated and departed. She slipped into a skimpy outfit. Nice curvy figure, B cups, decent face. Said she was 23 but I'd guess closer to 30. Said she arrived yesterday from China (Shanghai) and will be here two weeks. Spoke very limited English. Gave me an interesting type of massage where she climbs up on your back on her knees. Enjoyed it, although to me massage is just a warmup for the main event.

It doesn't take a lot of experience in this game to know when a provider's heart is not in it. Coco was nice enough, but it was clear she was not willing to create an illusion of romance. Discouraged kissing, DATY terminated after a minute or so (claimed she came – I'm sure!) , no BBBJ even for a few seconds though I pleaded. She seemed to be rushing things, so I asked, 'Are you in a hurry? ' She said no, but it was apparent she was trying to get to the finale asap.

I accepted the limitations she imposed with a sigh and we proceeded to covered BJ and doggie-style finish. I have had better times with non-FS providers who at least didn't act like they were allergic to spunk. Worst of all, she said two things that are total mood killers: 'How much you pay? ' ('I already paid you! ') and 'I do more next time! ' ('Why not this time? '). At the end she said, 'I know you not happy. '

Total damage: $.6 flat fee. No tip, but I did give her a small jade trinket I picked up in Chinatown for this very purpose. Doesn't hurt to show a little appreciation.

Despite less-than-ideal aspects of the experience, left feeling good. Hard not to be pleased with yourself when you just got some good quality strange. But will not repeat with this provider.

As always, YMMV. Maybe another guy would really turn her crank.

Happy hunting, stay safe and be kind to your provider.

Mmach
06-11-11, 17:16
I like Mona aka Mee-shell of HT also.Decided to take the advice on the board and head over to visit Mona at Orient. So I am not sure if there was some mix up but she was too old for me (45-50 range). Decided to stay for the massage since I called ahead of time and she was waiting for me. Nothing extra was offered or asked for. It was disappointing and I should have just left or asked for someone else. Massage was average and interrupted numerous times to answer the door. Still looking for someplace with younger women, at least in their 30s.

Yankee1234
06-11-11, 17:24
Sr. Member in town next week. Any good AMP recommendations? Near Tysons Corner. Thanks all.

Badboycik
06-11-11, 22:13
Nothing extra was offered or asked for. .If you want something ask for it.

Phaik Naim
06-12-11, 12:38
So, not so long ago I went to see Lisa, based on reports here. She is very good looking with a tight little body. Overall, average massage. On the flip, wanted to discuss and collect tip immediately, both of which are turn-offs. Seems that there is a full menu available, although at a. 2 premium to what is considered normal, up and down the scale. The only thing I can figure you get for that premium is full reciprocation. DATY, etc. I opted for an untranslated french lesson, on which she cheated. Meaning much more hand than I would have liked. She couldn't seem to make it happen there, and wound up giving up, going standard NOVA to completion. She did try, but the not-quite-french, not-quite-standard method just didn't seem to do it.

All in, took a little longer than the half hour I requested, for which I was mildly chastised.

Given the average massage, the tip ratchet-up and discussion, the service itself, and the absence of a TS (usually one of my favorite parts) I would rate this experience as below-average to average. I probably won't repeat.

-PN

Bunker Buster
06-12-11, 17:39
So, not so long ago I went to see Lisa, based on reports here. She is very good looking with a tight little body. Overall, average massage. On the flip, wanted to discuss and collect tip immediately, both of which are turn-offs. Seems that there is a full menu available, although at a. 2 premium to what is considered normal, up and down the scale. The only thing I can figure you get for that premium is full reciprocation. DATY, etc. I opted for an untranslated french lesson, on which she cheated. Meaning much more hand than I would have liked. She couldn't seem to make it happen there, and wound up giving up, going standard NOVA to completion. She did try, but the not-quite-french, not-quite-standard method just didn't seem to do it.

All in, took a little longer than the half hour I requested, for which I was mildly chastised.

Given the average massage, the tip ratchet-up and discussion, the service itself, and the absence of a TS (usually one of my favorite parts) I would rate this experience as below-average to average. I probably won't repeat.

-PNIt sounds like it's become a competition between the hobbyists and the parlors, with our side just trying to get the time and service we're promised, and their side trying to short us on both. Up front, they promise "gooduh massagi," while brazenly demanding "you giveuh me tip" in the middle, then complaining "tippuh no good" at the end.

While the Va. Massage scene was never as freewheeling as DC, it used to be that a good TS, quality massage, and a full session were part of the deal. I especially remember the original Golden (started across from Booeymonger in Georgetown and moved to Merrifield) as a great place. Connie spoke some of the earliest and best untranslated Asian I ever heard.

I've given up completely on the AMPs, and either just go for legit massage, or to the private-home providers. At least they have to build a reputation, and can't just milk a market based on the novelty of being a new face then go on "bacation."

Korvet
06-12-11, 22:16
So I'm back in D. C. For the first time in 5 years. Was in Dumfries about 2 weeks ago and though I'd stop by O spa there. I used to be a regular there in the day and it never disappointed: FS, TS. 2-4 quality K-gals between 25-35, multiple girls an option.

Encounter 2 weeks ago was poor, although I guess standard for NoVa these days. $70 door fee for an hour, fair massage by an overly chatty older Korean woman (early 50s) who seemed to think I wanted to hear about the details of her giving birth decades earlier and about her divorce. Gave an average HJ, allowing roaming hands but remaining clothed the whole time.

Came back this weekend, hoping that an evening visit on a weekend might improve the scene. Same woman. Same scene. The greeting was warm, the massage a little worse than before, and the HJ about the same. The only difference was that I was able to talk her into taking her top off this time. Pretty sure more is available down the line but it's not worth the time for a 50ish Korean grandmother. Of course YMMV. But it will probably be no better and probably worse. I speak Korean and can usually get a good thing going quickly. No dice here though. At least not in the near term.

May have to check out some of the other options in the area.

Phaik Naim
06-13-11, 11:40
It sounds like it's become a competition between the hobbyists and the parlors, with our side just trying to get the time and service we're promised, and their side trying to short us on both. Up front, they promise "gooduh massagi," while brazenly demanding "you giveuh me tip" in the middle, then complaining "tippuh no good" at the end.

While the Va. Massage scene was never as freewheeling as DC, it used to be that a good TS, quality massage, and a full session were part of the deal. I especially remember the original Golden (started across from Booeymonger in Georgetown and moved to Merrifield) as a great place. Connie spoke some of the earliest and best untranslated Asian I ever heard.

I've given up completely on the AMPs, and either just go for legit massage, or to the private-home providers. At least they have to build a reputation, and can't just milk a market based on the novelty of being a new face then go on "bacation.""Apple" was my go-to at the ole Golden (Merrifield version)

Telcova
06-13-11, 11:50
That must be the modern name for the place on Gallows. Anyway, came to your fair city and RTF. Anyway went there and met the MMS who took my door fee of. 8. Lele or layla or something like that met me in the room and proceded to the shower. It was warm, wet, relaxing and complete. Attentio to the right parts. Started a pretty good massage, relaxed me and so on. Got to the flip she asked what I wanted, Made the hand to mouth motion she said how much I said. 5 she said it was 1.

So we regressed to HJ which she said was. 6, told her. 4 and she wouldn't budge, Even moved away so I could no longer rub the nice bolt ons. She said OK just the massage then, I caved and said OK to. 6 for HJ. It was good, I got to touch it all too but I was really disappointed in the inflated price so didn't enjoy as much as I could have. It was 55 minutes from car to car. Prolly won't repeat.Although 60 is by no meane a rip, I doubt she would have left the $40 opportunity on the table.

AznCajun
06-13-11, 13:01
Although 60 is by no meane a rip, I doubt she would have left the $40 opportunity on the table.Even though YMMV, I would agree with Telcova and left. 40 and call it a day. These K-girls are new from NYC, and they will be glad to accept what tip is rendered for the service, but do it with a BIG smile. Works for me.

AC