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Clip-joint: noun (slang) 1. a bar or restaurant charging outrageously high prices while failing to deliver promised services; 2. an establishment to which a Las Vegas taxi driver wishes to take you for the purpose of having a good time.
Clip-joints thrive in the shadow of the resort corridor known as The Strip. This is a thread for outing them and all the other cheesy devices for separating men from their assets that made this town what it is. One of the most infamous is the "Can Can Room" but there are so many that it is hard to keep up with them, and what so many have in common is that they rely on a unique species of local reptile known as a Vegas taxi driver to procure most of their business [PsyberZombie, I believe that would be your cue to enter from stage left] because, to put it politely, they don't rely on repeat business. There are tens of thousands of fresh pigeons flying in every day, and as long as the drivers are in their pocket they can empty your wallet and toss you out with yesterdays trash if you do not protect yourself and your property from them.
This place is so notorious that it deserves to be mentioned yet again. There must be dozens of accounts in the archives from guys who got clipped here, but this is the most recent I found.
By Sleeping Bag on 03-29-05, General Reports post #94:
About week ago, I was driving and stopped by the cancan on industrial. at door, I was told vip was $250. I walked out and security got me vip for $100. definite con system at work here. anyways, walked in, and the vip actess, Reno, sat next to me. nice girl. I had to pay full $250 to get her in vip. And in addition, need to pay $300-$400 for fs. the other "club girls" I can get at the $100 that I paid. so, a black club girl sat next to me and worked me to hurry to get her into the vip. I was told at door that I have until closing time to go to vip and pick any girl I want. This girl told me that I needed to hurry with her into vip, and then tells me a long story about how the other club girls must charge other vip customers additional $50 until she gets my vip treatment. What a bull.
By noneathome on 02-05-05, General Reports post #259:
"On the way out a Cab driver convinced us to go to "SENSATIONS" a massage parlor where you get F/S for $40. I knew something wasn't right but I didnt want my friend to know about my expereince with Massage Parlor pricing and extras so I played dumb and figured it wouldn;t hurt to check it out. Cabby offered to STOP the meter while we go in and see the girls. He went in too and it was clear the girls knew him. My first thought was KICK BACK. Thanks to this board I KNEW there was no F/S in LV that easy to find so I was sceptical and had a bad vibe. My friend wanted to stay so he did and I left. The girl told him $40 for the house then min $100 in the back for extras. He calls me an hour later pissed. After the $40 at the door, the girl in the back ask's for $40 to get things going. She rubs hs ears then says $100 more for more "undefined" fun. Then wants $300 to start the party, etc. He was smart enough to get the hell out. Ironically 2 huge "Brothers" came in that appeared to work there and 1 confronted my friend. Their job is clearly to "intimidate" so you don't push to get your cash back. He left paying $80 for NOTHING and scared he was going to get his ass kicked."
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By Peter Dong on 06-02-05, General Reports post #241:
"I went to Vegas and a cab driver took me to Sensations.
I got ripped off of 350$ and had to leave as I was disgusted at their attitude."
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By Roadkill at Work on 01-08-05, General Reports post #11:
"To all that visit vegas,
Please never go to Censatons. All that will happen is that you will loose out on $500 big ones, for nothing more than a hand rub, and I can rub my hands much better than those bitches. Pass this info on and make sure the taxi drivers don't sucker you."
I don't know if this place belongs here. Is there a consensus that this place is a rip-off, or not? I have never gone beyond the parking lot in front of it, and from my reading I get mixed signals on whether they qualify as an outright clip joint or whether there's some feeling that they might have a legitimate purpose for some of us under some circumstances.
By Vanderley on 10-01-04, 2000-2004 General Reports post #1547:
It's pretty safe to assume that all the smaller clubs on Industrial are ripoff joints. There are the obvious legit clubs like CH2, Sapphires, DejaVu or even Wild J's which was pretty good once upon a time. Avoid all the others at all costs -- especially CAN CAN ROOM and HOT BODIES, or any other "unmarked storefronts".
I suggested to Jackson the possibility of creating a thread specifically for RipOff Joints in Las Vegas to make first time visitors aware of potential hazards. A thread such as this could certainly arouse some biased attacks on certain legit clubs, but I think the majority of the posters will be able to control the bullsh_t from truth. Jackson, please give it some thought -- we need it. These guys have been in business long enough.
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By Vanderley on 08-23-04, 2000-2004 General Reports post #1413:
Sorry to hear about your experience at HOT BODIES. It's actually quite well-known about the place being a big-time clip joint. The cabbies get paid x amount of dollars for every clueless tourist flying into Vegas they drop off at the club. Word of caution: Do your own research and never, ever, trust a cabbie. Well, you already know that.
Avoid CAN CAN ROOM at all costs as well. They run the same kind of scam, but in a more 'strip club' style environment. Private dances with hinting of 'extras'. I don't know if it's the same owners, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was.
These f_cked up clubs all stay in business because, first, like you said, they aren't breaking the law. And second, there are millions of tourists each MONTH coming to Vegas for the first time in their lives. Screw one tourist, then screw another, and another, and another. They'll never get repeat business from the same customer twice, but so what? That doesn't matter to them cause there's more fish flowing into their pond each and every day.
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By Tucson Chief on 08-22-04, 2000-2004 General Reports post #1411:
Got scammed hard in vegas at hot bodies spa 3131 south industrial next to can-cans
Went by a place near can-cans on industrial, was very trashed and paid 40 to get inside. Shoulda realized then that something was up. But was drunk and horny so you know how that is. Inside the guy says the fee is 600 for an hour and no prostitution is involved, and the hottie next to me rubs her leg up on mine while he's saying it. I took it as a hint that he wasn't truthful or at least correct. So my dumbass says ok and pays 600 and on top of it she demands I give the guy 60 for a tip. so 700 so far. I see another guy hitting up the atm so I figure hes having a good time with his chick. go to a back room and I get rubbed down for 20 minutes in the same spots. I know this isn't going anywhere and am starting to get pissed. after 35 min I flat out ask if anything more is going to happen and she keeps going on and on about relaxation. I try to walk out and she convinces me to do the last 10 and I'm thinkin just maybe something will happen. NOTHING. not even close. out 700 bucks. I coulda blown that 1000 better ways in that town. So advice is dont go to that place and spread the word that they are a scam.
Followed by post #1412, same poster, same date:
This is exactly what happened, I ran a search for the place. Except the bouncer didn't interfere, he let the girl massage my back for the full hour. whoo hooo. Man did I feel stupid after. What a scam.
"A revealing memo appears this week on the cabbie website. The writer, identified as "FN Cabbie" gives us this insight into what the cab driving profession has degraded into: "How many drivers actually drop off at Hot Bodies, knowing that it's a 'clip joint?' For those that don't know, the term clip joint stems from the fact that they basically take the customers money and 'toss' them out the back door. For instance, customer Bob goes into Hot Bodies. Bob wants to see a girl, so he pays about $140 to go into a room with a 'clothed' woman to do some 'exercises.' Mind you, it's a 'health' club. Now, Bob is enticed by the girl (Editor's note: “hyenas” would be a more appropriate description of these females) to go 'further' in their work out session. She tells Bob its going to be X amount of dollars to go 'all the way' with her. Bob agrees, gives the girl his credit card. While Bob waits in his room, the girl swipes his card for the agreed price. She comes back to the room to get Bob to sign for it, just so they can make sure they get 'their' money. The girl then leaves and she says she's going to slip into something more comfortable. Shortly after the girl has left, 'Big Bouncer' enters Bob's room and tells him that his time is up. Bob is naturally upset because he paid for something he didn't get. Big Bouncer replies, 'Sir, don't you know prostitution is illegal in Clark County.' Then out the door Bob goes. What's Bob to do? Does he tell the Better Business Bureau? Does he call the cops? What can the cops do? Bob knows it's illegal to pay for sex in Clark County. If he tells the cop that he tried paying for sex and got swindled, the cop will just laugh in his face. How does Hot Bodies stay in business you might ask? Well, technically they aren't breaking the law. They aren't selling sex, and there is no way to prove that Bob didn't get exactly what he paid for, a nice weightlifting session with a woman fully clothed for, $800. She must be some trainer!" "
By A Fool on 09-29-04, 2000-2004 General Reports post #1536:
A quick warning on the private club named "Indulge" (it is an unmarked storefront) on Industrial Rd. in Vegas (right across from the Budget Suites and between the Can-Can Room and Saphires). It is a pure rip-off joint. You get NOTHING, unless you think just sitting next to a gril on the couch is worth $50. A Taxi driver took us there swearing you got FS. You don't even see and skin. I see that was a warning on this forum in March of 2003, but I would never have seen it except I searched for the name "indulge" -- I would not have read 18 months work of posts. Can't believe they are still in business ripping people off.
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By caldreamer100 on 03-07-03, 2000-2004 General Reports post #404:
Don't ever go to the "private clubs" on commercial or industrial drive by the go go bars. I went to "Indulge" and they wanted $50 to walk in and $200 to spend some relaxing time with a girl. I talked them down to $100 for 30 minutes and was told I would have a VERY RELAXING TIME. After about 5 minutes of one handed lame massage, I turned over and said what's the deal. She told me this was it and I would have to hand over a few hundred more if I wanted to go to a more private room for a more relaxing time. I told the guy at the door if $100 won't get me what I'm looking for just tell me and I'll be on my way. Instead he convinces me to drop $100 on top of the $50 entrance to get a lame massage. I told the girl she was full of shit and walked out. The owner just smiled and said have a nice night. I guess he's used to ripping people off.
Mr Blaze on 01-27-04, 2000-2004 General Reports post #928:
There is another clip joint called The Oasis near, UNLV. Be Careful, not to get ripped off! Cabbies love to bring you there and get their cut of the action.
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By initialD on 06-30-03, 2000-2004 General Reports post #550:
Oasis used to be R&R, its in the middle of a row of shops very near to the Intramural Fields of UNLV or AmeriSuites. A cabbie also recommended it to me while it was still R&R, but I never went, suspect it to be a clip joint. He described it to be like a swingers club, except they had working girls.
I don't know if this place belongs here. Is there a consensus that this place is a rip-off, or not? I have never gone beyond the parking lot in front of it, and from my reading I get mixed signals on whether they qualify as an outright clip joint or whether there's some feeling that they might have a legitimate purpose for some of us under some circumstances.
I think the general word is "cautionary".
I know the feeling that I've gotten from most accounts is that it should be avoided by the average monger. Guess it's all defined by what "we" are looking for. Hell - some people go to the Can-Can because it's the Can-Can and feel the prices are a badge of honor. Or at least they did before the fire years ago. It might be different now but I doubt it.
I do know that this guy's (Green Door) other club in Commercial Center that keeps sneaking in as a "Rooster" property is not associated or affiliated in any way with the real Red Rooster - that swing house that's been in town since '82. The real Rooster even has a disclaimer on their site explaining how this guy keeps using the name in different forms.
That, to me, is a big red flag.
PsyberZombie
07-05-05, 06:53
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=362864&postcount=260
Vegas Partier
07-15-05, 14:56
I don't know if this place belongs here. Is there a consensus that this place is a rip-off, or not? I have never gone beyond the parking lot in front of it, and from my reading I get mixed signals on whether they qualify as an outright clip joint or whether there's some feeling that they might have a legitimate purpose for some of us under some circumstances.The Green Door is a legitimate swing club. I've gone several times, and there's plenty of real sex going on there. Its pretty much a lifestyle thing, though, and if you're a single man, you very may well see a lot of sex but not get anything. Generally, its a lot of couples doing partner-swapping. If you're not bringing a girl to add to the party, its probably not worth the money.
The Green Door is a legitimate swing club. I've gone several times, and there's plenty of real sex going on there. Its pretty much a lifestyle thing, though, and if you're a single man, you very may well see a lot of sex but not get anything. Generally, its a lot of couples doing partner-swapping. If you're not bringing a girl to add to the party, its probably not worth the money.
Went there 2 years ago alone. Got a beautiful girls (about a 9) for FS for 3 bills. They do accommodate singles.
By A Fool on 09-29-04, 2000-2004 General Reports post #1536: I told the girl she was full of shit and walked out. The owner just smiled and said have a nice night. I guess he's used to ripping people off. In the end crazy mongers don't go for this game and wait for them to close then vandalize the shit out of the place, they pump Krazy Glue into all there locks, bust windows and spray paint derogatory comments onto the walls, they stuff toilets full of paper and other materials stuffing them up so bad they need a plummer, I have even heard of guys finding the electrical, phone, and gas panels and shutting them off as well as the water. In the end if you run a scam it will bite you in the ass. Here's to hoping they piss off the wrong guy, Cheers.
Layin Pipe
08-03-05, 13:10
I have been to The Green Door as both a single as well as a couple. The Green Door is definitely a swingers club and not p4p. Just like any other club, you will not have success unless you are talking & mingling. I have always done well there and always make it a point to go when I am in town. The crowds are always better when a large convention is in town. The best nights are Friday & Saturday.
Click here (www.greendoorlv.com) for their website.
I haven't posted here in forever. Guess 'cause I'm a selfish bastard. But in the interest of doing whatever I can to screw over those who would screw over the average gullible joe.
AVOID THE GREEN DOOR!
A nice experience there? I would suspect anyone giving that place good reviews to be an employee of the place.
Well, wait, I will say if you are a (happy) couple from out of town or a horny female, it might have some benefits. How many here are that? Mongers? Fuggid about it...it's ALL about scamming you for as much as they can get with the promise of the illegal activities that go on there. Is is possible to get laid there? Yes. Without paying through the nose or taking the risk that management is lying to you or the hookers/dancers that work there are lying to you? No. Place sucks...there are better options for guys into this game.
PsyberZombie
08-05-05, 09:25
WebCams does not suffer being ripped off in Clip Joints lightly =
In the end crazy mongers don't go for this game and wait for them to close then vandalize the shit out of the place, they pump Krazy Glue into all there locks, bust windows and spray paint derogatory comments onto the walls, they stuff toilets full of paper and other materials stuffing them up so bad they need a plummer, I have even heard of guys finding the electrical, phone, and gas panels and shutting them off as well as the water. In the end if you run a scam it will bite you in the ass. Here's to hoping they piss off the wrong guy, Cheers.
Why not just Torch the place and be done with it ??
Any·wayz , I would strongly advise that you NOT let a cab driver recommend a Las Vegas Club to ya , W•C
[ Read Post # 9 below to see why ]
In the end if you run a scam it will bite you in the ass. Here's to hoping they piss off the wrong guy, Cheers.Well, they think they ARE the "wrong" guys. Most of these joints are rumored to be, ah, how shall I say it, "well connected," as in having investors and informal partners of a certain southern Italian (Sicilian) heritage, who used to be connected to some of the most, ah, colorful casinos in the old days, and who still have cordial relationships with local political officials and union honchos, or so it is said. Rumors like that tend to be true more often than not in Las Vegas.
But you didn't hear it from me, nope, not at all, I don't know nuthin bout nuthin, cuase I'm deaf and blind as a bat, and I wasn't even there in the place where I didn't see nothin happenin' and couldn't hear the thing that didn't happen in the place where I wasn't, and all due respect from me to the gentlemen back east and all their friends and all my best to all their wonderful children at Bishop Gorman Academy...
I share your outrage at ripoffs, but I'd be careful about showing up at a beef with these guys armed with glue and toilet paper. They never close.
Brief excerpts from the August 6 edition of Las Vegas City Life:
Big Bang Theory
Reluctant wives, horny accountants and leather slaves: A Green Door memoir
BY SKYLAIRE ALFVEGREN
"Are you in the lifestyle?" he asked.
It was dark, too dark to make out anything past the outline of a sweaty, hulking, recently waxed chest. I gingerly positioned my pint of Jim Beam behind a six pack of O'Douls under the bar and looked up at "The Accountant." An accountant naked but for the threadbare white towel slung around his hips. The first time I met "The Accountant" while slinging Cokes in the back bar of the Green Door, the house lights were so low you could've skinned a cat and no one would've noticed. But it's always like that: The place is dark because people are more apt to get naked when the lights are out. I conversed with "The Accountant" for a half-hour before my eyes adjusted and I realized he'd been masturbating the whole time.
Three months earlier, "lifestyle" was a word I associated with marketing companies, a repulsive buzzword found in sentences alongside "'tweener" "extreme" and "vertical branding."
But from January to March, I ran the café attached to the Green Door, the self-proclaimed "best kept secret" in Las Vegas. For me, the term "lifestyle" took on a whole new meaning. (Employees were told to refer to it as a "lifestyle" club rather than a swinger's club, "lifestyle" being a discreet and apparently more sophisticated way of saying you swing.)
<SNIP>
Owned and operated by a journeyman plumber, the Green Door is one of many so-called adult social clubs in the Vegas Valley, most of which are crowded together on a grimy strip mall in the Commercial Center off Sahara Avenue, sharing a sidewalk with the Gay and Lesbian center, a pool hall, a handful of ethnic restaurants and the city's best tranny bar.
It's the most popular club of its kind in Las Vegas. Once owned by Las Vegas sex king Terry Gordon, The Green Door is no longer a "clip joint," where girls are hired to lure patrons in with the promise of nookie, only to disappear after the rube had paid his admission.
Joseph Cavaretta has owned The Green Door since 1998, running a relatively tight and, by all accounts, legal establishment. The dozen or so permits Cavaretta pays for to keep the place open are posted at the club's entrance, alongside signs prohibiting alcohol and prostitution. Patrons are sometimes searched if they're suspected of smuggling in booze or illicit substances.
The Green Door has its competition: the Red Rooster, a private residence off Tropicana Avenue that hosts barely-private parties, and features weekend orgies which draw hundreds of people. Guests get access by "renting" a locker at the adjacent storage facility, and can bring their own liquor. Plush, an upscale floating Lifestyle party -- or "glittering hedonistic pleasure dome," as the married couple who hosts it likes to refer to it -- ran a night at the House of Blues before taking up a Saturday night residence at Sapphire's Gentleman's Club.
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Complete article, with a few interior photos of "The Dungeon" and the "Adult Playground Room" available on-line at:
http://www.lvcitylife.com/articles/2005/08/06/cover_story/cover.txt
Great post Wastrel. That explains why some have good things and others have bad things to say. Myself, my negatives, so it seems, are from another era.
Of course, most people want a news story when they're trying to overcome an image and build a client-base. Whether or not the story is to regenerate business or to actually inform the community that the winds of change have blown thru I don't know and won't know.
Hell, I'm still wondering when the old trade school on the corner went bye-bye.
Sifting the varying opinions and experiences, I'm still not sure what my own opinion of the Green Door should be, but I can think of one way to decide for sure: ask a Vegas cab driver if it's a good place to go. If he says it sucks, then it's probably on the level; if he says it's a good place and is willing to take you there without argument, then it's probably a scam.
PsyberZombie
09-10-05, 08:42
Complete article, with a few interior photos of "The Dungeon" and the "Adult Playground Room" available on-line at:
http://www.lvcitylife.com/articles/2005/08/06/cover_story/cover.txt
Great article , Wastrel , although I dis·agree with one thing the author states :
" When working the "cage," employees are told to ask for a driver's license for two reasons. Number one, prostitutes are unlikely to carry identification, and even though the place doesn't serve alcohol, minors aren't allowed, although no Traci Lords wannabes ever came in on my watch. "
In fact , most SWs and other Hookers DO carry I.D. , for one very good reason =
If they're ever stopped by LE for any reason , and can't produce a legit photo I.D. , they're guaranteed to be 'detained' so that a run of their prints can be done through the NCIC data·base , down at HQ
With an I.D. , there's a good chance that a random encounter with LE will end with them walking away ; but with·out it , the rest of their 'shift' is ruined , at best
So these girls almost always carry it ; they just usually refuse to show it to us Mongers
AN old casino security trick, when they thought they had a worker that they wanted to get rid of, was to ask them for ID. 99% of them would/could not produce and would be asked to leave because of it. The theory behind it was that they didn't have any. It usually worked.
Casino ID checks are falsely assumed to be for age checks. You need a governmental agency produced picture ID to remain in a casino regardless of age.
Most "random encounters" with LE will result in the ID being run.
I work in a casino so I can vouch for the I.D. check bit to get rid of suspected working girls. We have a saying "there are two types of people in a casino that don't have I.D.: Minors and hookers."
"Clip-joint, noun (slang) 1. a bar or restaurant charging outrageously high prices while failing to deliver promised services."
I looked into the place myself, and I found that the Green Door meets only the first half of that definition. The price to get in (at least forty bucks) was higher than I'd want to pay, but on my tour of the joint nobody promised or implied or hinted at selling me any other special services, so in my opinion it would be unfair to label it a clip joint, since what you see is just what you get, like it or leave it alone.
"Clip-joint, noun (slang) 2. an establishment to which a Las Vegas taxi driver wishes to take you for the purpose of having a good time (in USASG)."
And I didn't see a single cabbie coming, going, or waiting. A good sign. So I'll put the rest of the account of my Green tour over on the "General Reports" thread.
Roadkill at Work
09-22-05, 12:30
Okay guys. I thought we learned our lesson from previous posts. Do not ever go into sensations. 100% pure clip joint. The place is a rip off. And I can't wait for someone to get pissed and burn the place down or something to that extent. Luckyily I'm a big guy and don't put up with bullshit and the stupid people at the door means nothing to me. And I got my damn $140 back. Don't ever go to Sensations, Can Can Room, Green Door, and any other small joints. All Rip Offs.
Stick to strip joints and the casino girls, and please stay away from agencies as well. Go to craigs list find a independt provider. It's not that difficult these days guys.
Late
And happy hunting.
I thik the post immediately below confuses some very different things, mixing up places that are not at all similar, notorious clip joints well documented below with a Commercial Center place that is quite a bit different, whether you like it or hate it. But no harm; anyone reading through the whole thread starting at Post #1 should have little trouble figuring it out. I just wanted to "bump up" this thread so our precious visitors would have a better opportunity to see it. BEFORE a Vegas cab or limo driver gets ahold of them, I would hope.
TIP TROUBLE: Do clubs get taken for ride?
Owners say cabbies force them to pay for patrons
While strippers inside Las Vegas Valley clubs collect G-strings full of dollar bills from customers, club owners say they're being fleeced by the cabbies who deliver those patrons.
Club owners have lodged several complaints with Clark County, saying they are forced to pay cabdrivers outrageous amounts of cash to bring patrons to their doorsteps.
The payout? Seventy dollars per head, according to some club operators.
If owners don't pay up, taxi drivers stage a boycott of their business by diverting customers to the clubs that do tip, the owners say.
The operator of one of the valley's strip clubs said she paid cabbies $1.4 million in tips during the month of September alone. Two club owners interviewed for this story declined to be named, fearing retaliation from the cab industry.
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The strip club owners said that when passengers ask to be taken to a particular establishment, the driver will sometimes tell them that place burned down or that it's filthy.
"These are not isolated incidents," said the club owner. "This goes on all the time, every day and every night."
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http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Oct-29-Sat-2005/news/4058257.html
Note: The clubs complaining are the one's you DO want to find. Clip joints love this system; they created it, and it's their lifeblood, since repeat customers are not part of their business plan.
Very interesting article. This is quite common knowledge in the strip club 'circuit', but I had no idea that the club owners were actually complaining about the issue. As addressed in the article however, the cabbies do not necessarily take patrons to clip joints for the payoffs nowadays, which is good, but it may as well be heading in that direction anyway.
This is the entire reason the OG went to shit in recent years. The OG used to be the absolute best club to go to for the hottest girls and the highest mileage in town until the owner decided he'd rather focus more in his new investment, 'Sapphires'. The cabbies only get paid $5 a head now to bring patrons to the OG. Sapphires, $50. Treasures, Spearmint Rhino, and other new clubs are paying even higher, $60-70 per head, so it's a no brainer where the cabbies want to go.
So what does this mean? It means that the cabbies do have power, and they know it. They have the ability to fill up clubs in a HUGE way. The dancers want to go work at clubs where there are more customers. The best and hottest dancers flock to the clubs that have a high number of paying customers for them to work on, regardless of whether the club is a mileage-friendly club or not. It is hands down that the Spearmint Rhino currently has the hottest girls in Vegas, we're talking Playboy/Maxim material each and every night. The place is PACKED, shoulder to shoulder on weekends, but due to the architectural nature of the club, high mileage on the floor is out of the question, which sucks for the customer. The vip rooms in these new clubs now are all ridiculously high priced, and you're paying $8 plus a $1 tip to the waitress for a warm bottle of water.
But the girls are complaining as well. Now that the clubs need to make more money to compensate for the money they give away to cabbies, they need to charge higher house fees for the girls. A lot of these new clubs now REQUIRE that the dancers pay *extra* house fees and give mandatory tips to everyone including doormen, bouncers, bartenders, waitresses, and djs. One girl told me she pays on average $300 a night in house fees and tips to her coworkers just so they'd allow her to work without having shit thrown her way. If you're just an average good looking girl you may have a harder time parting with $300 night in tips, so these uglier girls sit pouting at the OG. Granted, this certainly is a way it seems to filter the hot girls from the ugly girls, but you can still throw in a good number of ugly hustlers to the mix of hot girls as well (They never seem to get the clue). So what you have here are high priced low-mileage hot girls and ugly hustlers packed in an all rushed atmosphere. After all is said and done, it's the customers AND the dancers that are being screwed in this whole equation.
This issue is as much the fault of the club owners' greed as it is the cabbies in my opinion. It's the clubs that keep wanting to up themselves from their competitors, paying more and more to the cabbies to sway the customers their way. The cabbies go where the money is, who can blame them? As long as they're not taking you to a blatant clip joint, they have every right to take you to the club with the "hottest girls," not to mention the highest payout. The regulation should be with the club owners and not the cabbies. They should place a legalized limit on how much they are allowed to pay them. Don't cut it out completely, or you'll have the cabbies on strike blocking traffic on LV Blvd. Let them have their cut. Fine the clubs that are caught paying more than they are allowed. It's a lot easier to monitor the clubs than a thousand individual cabs on any given night.
If we don't properly regulate this now, sooner or later the cabbies will be getting paid $150 per head, the customers paying $50 cover, $40 lap dances, $500 half-hour vip rooms and $20 beers. It ALL goes back to the clubs' greed.
PsyberZombie
10-29-05, 18:02
This issue is as much the fault of the club owners' greed as it is the cabbies in my opinion. It's the clubs that keep wanting to up themselves from their competitors, paying more and more to the cabbies to sway the customers their way. The cabbies go where the money is, who can blame them? As long as they're not taking you to a blatant clip joint, they have every right to take you to the club with the "hottest girls," not to mention the highest payout. The regulation should be with the club owners and not the cabbies. They should place a legalized limit on how much they are allowed to pay them. Don't cut it out completely, or you'll have the cabbies on strike blocking traffic on LV Blvd. Let them have their cut. Fine the clubs that are caught paying more than they are allowed. It's a lot easier to monitor the clubs than a thousand individual cabs on any given night.
If we don't properly regulate this now, sooner or later the cabbies will be getting paid $150 per head, the customers paying $50 cover, $40 lap dances, $500 half-hour vip rooms and $20 beers. It ALL goes back to the clubs' greed.
There's a SIMPLE Way around all this bullshk for the out·of·town Tourist =
Do your Research here first [ a.k.a. = RTFF!! ] ; then simply grab a Cab and DEMAND to go to the Club you've chosen
It also helps to have checked a Map first so you don't get the 'run·around' =
There really *aren't* Three Stratospheres in LV , no matter what your Cabbie tells you !!
It also helps to have checked a Map first so you don't get the 'run·around' =
There really *aren't* Three Stratospheres in LV , no matter what your Cabbie tells you !!And the 15 freeway isn't "the quickest way" to anything but Utah.
A number to carry with your cell phone when getting into a Vegas cab: Taxicab Authority, aka the TA, (702)486-6532.
They do have their own taxi cops driving around and can sometimes intercept the cab while you're still in it if you're being screwed by the hack. You should at least get a free ride out of it, if you insist on waiting for the TA at your destination before paying the motherlover who hosed you by longhauling or switching you. If he can't quickly intimidate you into paying and shutting up, expect the driver to take off like a scalded dog before the TA gets there, so get his hack number. If he dumps you out in a bad spot to get rid of you, ka-ching, we have a winner, persue the TA complaint to help document everything then get a local attorney to cash in with a civil suit. You were very scared in that bad area, and you have suffered great traumatic emotional distress, which can only be relieved upon payment of enough money to provide years of hookers, er, therapy, at Sleazeball Transport's expense.
http://taxi.state.nv.us/default.htm
http://taxi.state.nv.us/TaxicabPhotos.htm
http://taxi.state.nv.us/ComplaintInstructions.htm
http://taxi.state.nv.us/CabComplaint.asp
The drivers count on tourists not doing this becuase Bubba doesn't want the little woman back home to know what really came up "at the convention." Wastrel, on the other hand, is an in yo' face SOB who's utterly without shame, so he will happily put the fact that he insists on getting his propers without getting screwed up in lights on the neon ticker tape in front of Bally's.
By the way, if you can transport yourself to your favored club you may be able to get the cover charge reduced or eliminated entirely, if you ask. You just saved the joint anywhere from fifty to over a hundred bucks.
Hey everyone , I just wanted to let you all know that The Green Door club is a legit sex/swing club and not a clip joint.
This place used to be a scam years ago , but the GD has changed alot and now has a good crowd especially on the weekends.
There are alot of hot couples and some good looking females who go there to play and they are very strict about girls going into work guys for money, they dont allow or tolorate it.
I just want it to be known that The Green Door club is a clean and safe place to play, and the past problems of this club are gone.
There's a SIMPLE Way around all this bullshk for the out·of·town Tourist =
Do your Research here first [ a.k.a. = RTFF!! ] ; then simply grab a Cab and DEMAND to go to the Club you've chosen
It also helps to have checked a Map first so you don't get the 'run·around' =
There really *aren't* Three Stratospheres in LV , no matter what your Cabbie tells you !!
I totally agree with you. In an idealistic world if every horny male took the time to read this particular forum in this corner of the internet before trekking out to Las Vegas, this issue would be resolved. Unfortunately, there are 40 million visitors coming through Vegas every year. If say, half of them were men give or take (not including children), divide that by 12 months, that's about 1.5 million men a month that come to Vegas. Give or take here. Say half of that ventures out to strip clubs while they're here. There are never going to be 750,000 men studying these boards before hopping into a cabbie to drink and have a good time with friends at a gentlemen's club. That's the reality. What makes it even more unrealistic is that probably 30-40% of the 750,000 are foreigners.
Clip joints are one thing, but even when I travel on business (or pleasure), I'm the first to admit I don't always do extensive research to figure out which strip club I'm going to wind down at after a business meeting. I was in Dallas a few months ago, I asked the concierge at my hotel who gave me free cover coupons for a strip club down town. The club was terrific. The coupon had his name on the back, so I'm sure he got a cut. I asked a cabbie later where another good one was. This one was even better than before. Did he get a payout? Probably. If a cabbie took me to a shabby hole in the wall like CanCanRoom saying this is the best strip club in town -- clip joint alert. If it's just a regular, popular strip club, why not ask a cabbie? I don't always have the time to research every detail of simple adult entertainment, especially when going to a strip club isn't the primary reason for the trip in the first place, as with a lot of Vegas visitors. Visitors that come to Vegas for the sole purpose of pussy hunting, should DEFINITELY read these boards.
Cabbies taking visitors to legit strip clubs that give them a higher payout isn't the fault of the cabbies at all. Cabbies go where the money is -- obviously -- but who are the assholes that are paying them? Of course, clip joints are another story altogether. Cabbies that work with clip joints should burn in hell for all I care.
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09-01-04 at 19:27 #361
10-01-04 at 04:47 #1547
Compared to most other countries outside the U.S. where cabbies will blatantly drive around in circles for miles on end to screw you over right in your face pretending they don't understand you, even when NO ONE is giving them a payout, trust me, Vegas cabbies aren't all that bad.
...why not ask a cabbie?Why not ask a used car dealer in Topeka, Kansas, or a begger on the streets of Juarez, Mexico? Either is likely to be about as well informed on where to find a good time in Las Vegas, and relatively less inclined to scam you for a buck. Absolutely, positively the last person to listen to is a taxi driver in Vegas. His knowlege is zero. The likelihood of getting screwed by one of his pre-arranged scams is close to one-hundred percent. Somewhere in Las Vegas there is a relatively honest, but very lonely cabbie, who isn't playing ball with the mob by recruiting suckers for them, in between long-hauling his fares to triple the bill. I haven't met him yet. I am familiar with taxi drivers in places like Manila, and drivers in Vegas compare very unfavorably with those in the third world.
As for the utility of taxi drivers in other U.S. cities, I have little experience and therefore no opinion. Maybe they provide more useful guidance and service due to the less transient nature of the business in other places. Or not. But not in Vegas.
PsyberZombie
11-04-05, 07:07
There are never going to be 750,000 men studying these boards before hopping into a cabbie to drink and have a good time with friends at a gentlemen's club
Ever read a news story where a local Vice Squad arrests twenty guys in a few hours for Soliciting an U·C LEO ??
No doubt *none* of those guys read these Forums , either ; or they wouldn't be in that pre·dicament
While I feel Sorry for those guys — and the poor suckers who get fleeced by LV cabbies — there's not much I can do about it except try with Wastrel to inform other Mongers here about the Dangers of our Hobby
Tourist destinations like LV or NOLA used to be , rely on a steady stream of millions of new suckers arriving daily . That's why it's so important to do your Re·search before you visit any of these places = would you go ski·ing at Lake Tahoe or Taos with·out reading up on the place first ??
May·be we can start a new Ad Campaign to help all those guys who won't help them·selves =
See Dick go to Las Vegas
See Dick get scammed by a Cabbie
Don't be a Dick !!!
p.s. =
Hey everyone , I just wanted to let you all know that The Green Door club is a legit sex/swing club and not a clip joint.... I just want it to be known that The Green Door club is a clean and safe place to play, and the past problems of this club are gone.
Thanks , Mr Green·Door·Shill !!
Do you own the place , or just work there ??
It's a most a rite of passage, I think. My first time to vegas, I did all the wrong stuff. Went to all thr wrong places and spent more $$ then I Should have. Then I found the forum. Never again. Now I go to vegas at least 2x a year. I have a great time every time.
...a rite of passage, I think.Point well taken. Some folks do enjoy getting their wallet vacuumed out by one variety or another of highly skilled money extraction professionals in Vegas, and wear it as a badge of honor. If they want to consider it worth the cost to have a story to tell the guys on the block back in Poughkeepsie or wherever, so be it. I tend to forget this, but I shouldn't, since after all, the town was built on creative devices for efficiently separating wide eyed wonders from their cash, and making them like it. So long as they have a reasonable opportunity to get the information needed to make their own informed decision, if they choose.
An interesting article in the Review Journal about the taxi cab kickbacks: http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Nov-06-Sun-2005/news/4162888.html
According to the article, OG is now paying $50 (per person) to cabbies so I guess they finally gave in.
The other point of note is that hotel doormen are diverting strip club goers from the taxi line to limo drivers in exchange for half of the kickback. This pits the cabbies against the limo drivers for fares.
Because the kickbacks have gotten so high ($200 for a taxi/limo with 4 people) the greed factor prevails.
Yeah, Unlike some when I come I always plan to lose money in some shape or fashion. Even when it's on business I'm there to relax and have a vacation of sorts and whats a vaction without blowing some duckets? With that said, I want to have the most fun I can with the money I blow so I try to make it stretch. I'm lucky I don't live there. I'd have to much fun and be to broke.
This town is all about hustling. I know a doorman who made over $100k's last year and part of that six figure was the limo kickback.
If you are not hustling in this town in one way, form or fashion, you are paying too much taxes! I know bartenders that get kicks from cw's for the right to "take up" space at their bar. The cocktail waitresses get bigger boobs and put them on display, how can you not throw a lincoln?
I almost had a good scheme but I couldn't tame this wild horse. this woman I had known for a long time was down and out (couldn't get a real job) she did some under the table and "extras" to survive.
She graduated from a massage school, I went there one time and was one person away from getting her but it would not have mattered, they had curtains as dividers and any little sound would travel.
Anyway, the point of the story is she had a legitimate certificate for massaging. I was going to supply the apartment and the supply of men, yes, my dear friends at SexGuide who have gotten the hookups. But this woman was very undisciplined and there was that probability of her keeping more money than she said she got, once again this is a hustle town.
According to the article, OG is now paying $50 (per person) to cabbies so I guess they finally gave in.
Stopped by the OG for the first time in months last night to verify the info in the article. The vibe still pails in comparison to how it used to be, but it looks like it's picking back up slowly but surely. This is great news. A lot of the familiar dancers were still there, and not a whole lot of new faces. And yes, it looks like the cabbies are getting $50 a head now according to the dancers I talked to. Hopefully it'll keep picking back up again with girls worth the visit.
When I first walked in the door the dumb b_tch behind the booth told me it was $30 cover. "Excuse me?" I've never paid $30 cover to get into a strip club in my life, let alone the OG. I gave her a look of WTF? and she asked me if I drove there on my own. "Of course I did, I'm local," I answered. She looks up at the ceiling for a minute and tells me it's $20. There was a good line of people behind me waiting to get in and I didn't want to cause a scene so I paid the $20 cover with my Nevada ID still in my pocket and went in. I find out later that locals should only be paying $10 cover. The b_tch ripped me off. I couldn't find her for the rest of the night and the manager was nowhere in sight so I just let it go. This shit is unacceptable, especially at a place like OG. CanCanRoom yes, but not the OG. It looks like they're trying to compensate for the extra cash they decided to pay out to the cabbies.
It appears they never check for the Nevada ID at the door, so just tell them you're local and you should only pay $10 to get in. If you take a cab there, JUST SAY YOU DROVE THERE ON YOUR OWN or YOU will be the one paying the kickback just to get into the fucking place. This is simply the consequece of the greed factor I suppose. Until the place starts picking up again, it's still better off going to the other mega clubs with free cover. I'll check back again in a couple of months with my fingers crossed.
The b_tch ripped me off. I couldn't find her for the rest of the night and the manager was nowhere in sight so I just let it go. This shit is unacceptable, especially at a place like OG. CanCanRoom yes, but not the OG. It looks like they're trying to compensate for the extra cash they decided to pay out to the cabbies.
The "*****" isn't working for the company, she is working for herself. Half for her, half for the company. She can't go wrong as long as she pays the company for each guy she takes, that is not stealing (from the company, that is.)
You notice they don't post the prices to "help" you out. You have to do your homework before you go into any of these joints.
I did the Greendoor thing awhile back but I called and asked what is the admission, any breaks for locals- always, always ask any business if they have a local rate, you would be surprised by how many do-but won't say.
When I got to the Greendoor, I asked the lady how much, of course, already knowing, I just wanted to see what see thought of me. She tried to play me for a sucker at $120. That almost sounded like a price to try to keep me out?
I didn't go in right away, they have tables there you can sit "and think about it". When three beautiful girls went in, I said it was time. Once again, she tried to take me but this time she lowered it to $90, why, I didn't ask.
I paid the local rate and went in, after I gave her an earful.
You have got to do your homework and this board is probably the best because you can ask everybody particular questions. I love AMPs but I wouldn't want to drive all over town (and pay that stupid mamasan fee)
when I can read from everybody what's going on out there.
My greatest mongering is free (another thread on how to do that) then low ball (catching the real pretty ones when they need money and do it at prices they don't want anyone to know) I am not into women with no teeth and dependencies. Its not the sex, its making them do things they don't do with all their clients, that's the high.
Member #3943
11-10-05, 21:32
a couple years ago I was at Green door and a stripper, she looked good enough to be one, took me back and bj, i aid wow i owe u anything she said 15.00 for real, tied to get her and friend to take me back to caesars palce, she was really hot
I guess the Greendoor has its moments, it didn't happen when I was there. I would have gone back again. There is another spot next to the gay club Red Rooster, they used another name and changed it back to R.R.
This was a cheaper place and I had better luck for the amount of times I went. One time they had a "hostess" and I did my deed for only $30 because I told her that was all I had and it was slow for her.
I don't have the time (or desire)to hang out at that place. I am sure there are some good times to be had. They have a local rate that is good for one month, all the in's you want. I may head that way New Years, people will be looking for some place to go.
a couple years ago I was at Green door and a stripper, she looked good enough to be one, took me back and bj, i aid wow i owe u anything she said 15.00 for real, tied to get her and friend to take me back to caesars palce, she was really hot
WHAT?!?!?
This just isn't west coast language. Could someone translate please.
KC Questor
11-13-05, 21:32
WHAT?!?!?
This just isn't west coast language. Could someone translate please.
a couple years ago I was at Green door and a stripper, she looked good enough to be one, took me back and bj, i aid wow i owe u anything she said 15.00 for real, tied to get her and friend to take me back to caesars palce, she was really hot
I'll try:
A couple of years ago I was at Green Door and a stripper (she looked good enough to be one) took me to the back and gave me a blow job. I said "Wow, do I owe you anything?" She said "$15.00". For real! I tried to get her and her friend to take me back to Caesar's Palace. She was really hot.
a couple years ago I was at Green door and a stripper, she looked good enough to be one, took me back and bj, i aid wow i owe u anything she said 15.00 for real, tied to get her and friend to take me back to caesars palce, WHERE SHE/HE AND HIS FRIEND PULLED OUT THEIR PENIS' AND RAPED ME UNTIL I BLED.
Fixed your post dude.
ClitCommander
11-14-05, 02:38
Fixed your post dude.
I see Speck re edited the post with his own experience. Well done! Hope you reported the rape to the police and went to the free clinic.
Went to the greendoor a few years back, met a geogeous blonde, mid twenties, (East European type), went to the back for 3xx dreams, got everything normal.
Major Scam. Do not go there. I took one for the team so you shouldn't have to.
Major Scam. Do not go there. I took one for the team so you shouldn't have to.Let me guess, you ended up there becuase a taxi or limo driver steered you to it, not as a result of your own request to be taken to that particular place. Lightened your wallet by about three to five C-notes before you escaped, perhaps?
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=362864&postcount=260
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=369075&postcount=3
Let me guess, you ended up there becuase a taxi or limo driver steered you to it, not as a result of your own request to be taken to that particular place. Lightened your wallet by about three to five C-notes before you escaped, perhaps?
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=362864&postcount=260
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=369075&postcount=3
I know that it's mostly falling on deaf ears, but I can't figure out why when guys are doing something that is illegal, costs lots of money, and is filled with robs, that they can't spend a few hours doing some simple research on this board by reading several pages of posts.
I must have spent 20 hours reading the websites available at the time(and also alt.sex.prostitution) before I ever had the balls to pick up a street ho. I spent years honing that skill, and reading, before I ever once had sex for money in Vegas.
PsyberZombie
03-17-06, 08:53
I have this friend who goes by the Handle ei8ht who is a better Con·artist & scammer than any hooker I've ever known
Fer ex , he noticed that when you pay for a two hundred dollar dinner in a Casino restaurant using your comp points , the waiter just glances at your driver's license , then hands it back to you before taking off with the bill and your comp card
Early the next morning , he visited a high·roller slot area looking for a comp card some·one may have left behind
With·in thirty seconds , he found a guy's card in a twenty·five dollar machine . He punched the 'promo' button on the machine , and discovered the guy had 18,000 Points !!!
Next , he went on the web and found a company in Mexico that makes fake driver's licenses that even have the holograms . He ordered one using the guy's name and an address in a neighboring state . The total cost was
just over $
The only thing he uses 'his' new comp card for is meals = but now he always gets a nice $ bottle of wine or $$ champagne — figuring that a guy with that many points won't notice a few hundred evaporating from his account every now and then
BTW , this is the same friend who I wrote about here last year , who pays Hookers with counterfeit money =
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=406312&postcount=118
.... and last year , he got two FREE First·Class non·stop round trip tix from the east coast [JFK] to Honolulu [HNL] — by manipulating a loop·hole in an airline's frequent flyer program
His Motto =
" America is the Land of the Free .... and FREE means you don't have to Pay !! "
My friend just I wish to inform you in case some one is visiting Las Vegas - be careful with he Girls. After 9-10 O’clock all the girls in BARS are Pros & Paid Workers.
My friend took a Old Lady in the Room without telling me. And I kept waiting for him till 4 O’clock in the morning at the BAR. Then I started feeling sleepy so I decided to go back to room. When I reached my room I found my friend in BED Sleeping.
In the morning when I get up I took the bath and dressed up for my work. I suddenly realized that my Black Coat is missing and my friend is also not in bed.
I call ed him up on his cell and he told me that he is coming back.
When he came back he told me that he took the Girl Last night and the both went to the room and after going back to the room - the girl took some thing out of her purse (LOTION for message) and rubbed in her hands. Later he took the hands near her nose and he was unconscious.
When he got up in the Morning he found that his LAP TOP is missing & later I realized that the girl use my BLACK COAT to hide the LAP TOP and take that away.
BE CAREFUL WITH LAS VEGAS GIRLS they are kind of thieves
Spark 78
My friend just I wish to inform you in case some one is visiting Las Vegas - be careful with he Girls. After 9-10 O’clock all the girls in BARS are Pros & Paid Workers.
My friend took a Old Lady in the Room without telling me. And I kept waiting for him till 4 O’clock in the morning at the BAR. Then I started feeling sleepy so I decided to go back to room. When I reached my room I found my friend in BED Sleeping.
In the morning when I get up I took the bath and dressed up for my work. I suddenly realized that my Black Coat is missing and my friend is also not in bed.
I call ed him up on his cell and he told me that he is coming back.
When he came back he told me that he took the Girl Last night and the both went to the room and after going back to the room - the girl took some thing out of her purse (LOTION for message) and rubbed in her hands. Later he took the hands near her nose and he was unconscious.
When he got up in the Morning he found that his LAP TOP is missing & later I realized that the girl use my BLACK COAT to hide the LAP TOP and take that away.
Where were you staying?
What did she look like?
When you take a stranger back to your room be careful hide your stuff.
Thank you for the report.
However, based only on your bare bones information, your friend broke a TON of monger rules.
Again, all noobs really need to spend a few hours reading through a couple years worth of posts.
Just your basic trick roll. Happens all the time.
When you're dealing with people who engage in an illegal activity that is driven by profit and greed, some of them will even look for shortcuts.
NEVER leave items of value out in the open with a pickup in your room. Just like you never leave your drink unattended (anywhere - anytime - even just out to party) or let them make you one.
And don't ever let her out of your sight. The gentlemanly thing of "I'm just going to hop in the shower to be clean for you" is usually met by an empty room when the water stops flowing.
The lotion thing is slick but are you sure she didn't fuck with his beverage at any time?
Like Speck said... read up. It ain't "just" Vegas. That's an aspect of this thing of ours that needs to be learned. Suspicion is a horndog's best friend. Whether you think you're with a "normal" girl or not - the fact remains - THEY are working YOU. Not the other way around.
Just your basic trick roll. Happens all the time.
NEVER leave items of value out in the open with a pickup in your room. Just like you never leave your drink unattended (anywhere - anytime - even just out to party) or let them make you one.
The lotion thing is slick but are you sure she didn't fuck with his beverage at any time?I think that the drink may be more likely to have caused the problem. Any description of the smell of the lotion? I've worked with some chemicals that are used to make people knock out and they all stink as far as I'm concerned. I've never used it on anyone, but I'd think that the smell is something you'd remember.
I call ed him up on his cell and he told me that he is coming back. .... Later he took the hands near her nose and he was unconscious.
When he got up in the Morning he found that his LAP TOP is missing & later I realized that the girl use my BLACK COAT to hide the LAP TOP and take that away. Intresting she took the laptop, but not his cellphone. Some girls will participate in this behaviour, usually it is done with simple force, u and her go back to the room and a few minutes later the Pimp, partner boyfriend, comes to the door and they take your shit, If you'r in a nice hotel it is easy to call the desk right away and have security catch these people, if your married your screwed but if your single taking a girl back to your room to fuck is not illegal and calling the cops is a no brainer. that is after all why Hotels have such high tech cameras to prevent theft and protect there investments. I myself have never had a problem with the girls at bars, wether working or not, Most girls at the bar in Vegas after 10pm are not working girls, having this attitude will certainly lead to trouble, most are tourist some regulars some working and some members of law enforcment working to make arrests, never assume everyones working even at a ho convention that's just stupid.
CRAZY HORSE TOO: 17th defendant accepts plea
Agreement ends topless club investigation
A longtime employee of the Crazy Horse Too Gentlemen's Club was the last of 17 people to accept a group plea agreement this week, ending a lengthy criminal investigation of the business and its employees.
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In January 2005, shift manager Robert D'Apice was arrested at the Crazy Horse on racketeering and tax evasion charges. A federal indictment accused him and unnamed others at the club of using force to compel customers to pay disputed charges.
The indictment cited the September 2001 incident in which Kansas City tourist Kirk Henry was paralyzed from the chest down. In a lawsuit, Henry alleges that D'Apice broke his neck outside the club.
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Cristalli said the deal requires his client to admit that he was involved in at least two "extortionate acts" in the course of his work as a shift manager at the Crazy Horse.
Cristalli said the plea agreement includes the following statement: "Although defendant denies causing permanent or life-threatening injury to any patron of the Crazy Horse Too, defendant concedes that the government could present evidence sufficient to establish for purposes of sentencing, by a preponderance of the evidence, that at least one extortion caused such injury."
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Attorney John Spilotro said his client, former shift manager Rocco "Rocky" Lombardo, accepted his plea agreement late Friday. Spilotro said Lombardo, the brother of reputed Chicago mob boss Joseph "Joey the Clown" Lombardo, has agreed to plead guilty to a felony tax charge.
"We are hoping for probation," said Spilotro, who said Rocco Lombardo is retired and in poor health.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/May-20-Sat-2006/news/7517047.html
Note: What some visitors or those new in town may not fully understand is that many of these joints are openly controlled by the mob and are completely under the shameless protection of friendly local government officials on their payroll, including the Clark County prosecutor's office, state and local judges, many officers in the Las Vegas Metropolitain Police Dept, a U.S. Senator who as Senate minority leader is now the highest ranking member of his political party in the entire nation, and their very special good pal the mayor of Las Vegas, and the only reason there was ever any consequence at all for anyone connected to this place is that there were so many tourists stomped on, crippled, and killed on the premises that the body count eventually managed to get the attention of Federal prosecutors.
Guys need to understand that if you end up in a Vegas clip joint that pads your tab with outrageous phony charges you are completely on your own escaping with your health and wealth somewhat inctact. Unless you can find a way to make a Federal case out of it, police, prosecutors, courts, and government officials in Clark County Nevada, who are installed in office by the union thugs controlling one of the political parties, will not help you at all; they will laugh over your body as they collect their little cut of the action from these goons. This is the real mob, sadistic loser psychopaths, who are not at all like the cute funny mobsters you might like to watch on cable TV. These guys, the real ones, have the brains of a toaster and they torture for fun and kill you for nothing. -W
...Those who had come to socialize with Rizzolo at Piero's, a few blocks from the Strip, and bid on sports memorabilia displayed by his nearly nude dancers included a city councilman, a top local prosecutor, a former mayor and the city's convention boss.
When it was over, they sang the praises of Rizzolo, the man who made it an evening to remember... <SNIP>
In a deposition that Rizzolo gave in the Henry case in July 2005, he said the club grossed $800,000 to $1 million a month, which translates to annual gross sales of $9.6 million to $12 million... <SNIP>
For years, as he hobnobbed with the upper crust, Rizzolo also had been hiring and socializing with a long list of ex-felons and underworld figures, including the brother of one of the Chicago mob's biggest names, Joseph "Joey the Clown" Lombardo.
With those associations came persistent reports that patrons were being ripped off at the Crazy Horse and then pummeled by bouncers and bartenders when they protested.... <SNIP>
He was licensed, wealthy and, most of all, he was known to take care of his friends in power, pouring tens of thousands of dollars into the campaigns of his favorite candidates.
His annual Christmas parties often attracted the A-list in social circles, including dozens of elected leaders hoping to ingratiate themselves with him. Rizzolo once was even deputized by a Las Vegas constable.... <SNIP>
During that time, Barrier said, he has heard Crazy Horse customers complain about being overcharged for lap dances on their credit cards, and he has seen others emerge from the club bloodied. He even found a dead body once in a car behind the club.
"It's been terrorism in the parking lot - bodies down everywhere," he said. "Rizzolo is nothing but a thug."... <SNIP>
His ties first surfaced in the early 1980s when he became friendly with Joseph Balzano, a drug dealer and reputed New York mob associate who later was given federal protection after a botched underworld attempt on his life... <SNIP>
During that period, Rizzolo also befriended Tony Albanese, suspected by authorities of being a hidden partner in the Crazy Horse Saloon. The men once discussed opening a spa next to the strip club. Albanese, however, turned up dead in 1981. His severed head, partly eaten by coyotes, was discovered in the desert near Needles, Calif. The slaying remains unsolved today... <SNIP>
The following year, Rizzolo brought attention to himself when he hired former Metro Police detective Joe Blasko as a bartender right out of prison. Blasko, who died in 2002, had served time behind bars for his role in a 1981 burglary linked to the infamous "Hole-in-the-Wall" gang, run by Anthony Spilotro, the Chicago mob's overseer in Las Vegas at the time... <SNIP>
Through much of his tenure at the helm of the Crazy Horse Too, Rizzolo has maintained a close friendship with Joseph Cusumano, whom law enforcement authorities regarded as a top Spilotro lieutenant until the Chicago mob kingpin's brutal gangland slaying in 1986.
In a March 2003 deposition in the Henry lawsuit, Al Rapuano, the general manager of the Crazy Horse Too, testified that Cusumano was the "godparent" to all three of Rizzolo's children.
Cusumano was sent to prison in 1987 after being convicted of conspiracy to skim $315,000 from a Culinary Union life insurance plan. While in prison, Cusumano signed over his power of attorney to Rizzolo.
In October 1990, following his release from prison, Cusumano was wounded in an assassination attempt and sought refuge at Rizzolo's home... <SNIP>
Rapuano - who has agreed to plead guilty to a tax charge in the Crazy Horse investigation - recalled having dinner in Chicago "two or three times" with Rizzolo and both Lombardos.
Joseph Lombardo has long been regarded by Chicago authorities as a high-ranking Chicago mob member.
Last year he was one of 14 men indicted in Chicago on federal murder charges related to 18 unsolved slayings, including Spilotro's, dating back to 1970.
Another of Rizzolo's questionable hires at the Crazy Horse Too was Vincent Faraci, son of reputed Bonanno crime family captain "Johnny Green" Faraci of New York... <SNIP>
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/sun/2006/may/21/566621899.html
...or in her car, or with her friends, or any other place where you do not control the environment and who is and is not going to be in it:
ROBBERY CASES: Four indicted in trick roll scheme
<SNIP>
He ended up in the back seat of a sport utility vehicle, being beaten and robbed by a heavy-set prostitute in what authorities said was a trick roll scheme.
"I went to open the door, and obviously the child lock was on it and I couldn't get out," $+++++ said. "And that's when she commenced to take my money, attack me."
Authorities said $+++++ is one of several victims of the scheme headed by Jacquelyn Yearby, who has a prior history of robbing men in Las Vegas.
Yearby "is a big girl, kind of heavyset, long black hair, good size lady," $+++++ said. "And the other one a lot smaller, probably 105 pounds, with distinctive eyes that are real stunning. She almost looked like some sort of Siamese cat. It was just something unusual."
$+++++ said he went to a bar with the two women and had a drink.
"They wanted to solicit to have some sort of oral sex," $+++++ said. "They were offering it at the time inside the bar."
$+++++ said he decided it was time to leave and asked for a ride back to his hotel.
"And now the littler girl started driving, the big one was in the back seat," $+++++ said.
In the back seat with Yearby, $+++++ said, the woman started rifling through his pockets, and when he tried to get out of the car, the doors were locked.
"That's when the big one attacked me," $+++++ said. "I was fighting for my money. She punched me so hard, like she knew what she was doing. She knocked the breath out of me."
$+++++ said he looked behind him and noticed a third woman in the car he'd never seen before, hiding behind a rear seat.
Eventually, the larger woman got some of his money, then kicked him out of the car, $+++++ said.
As he recovered in a parking lot on Paradise Road, they returned. All three women emerged from the vehicle and started to beat him and rob him of more money before fleeing, he said.
"The three of them were going after the other $5,000 I had left," $+++++ said.
After the attack was over, $+++++ was confident he had retained some of his money. But when he checked his bankroll, he found his wad of hundreds had been replaced with a wad of ones.
<SNIP>
According to authorities, Yearby and Knight were also involved in the larceny of $4,000 from a tourist at Mandalay Bay.
Tourist $ - - - - - $ - - - - - of Baton Rouge, La., told the grand jury he'd been gambling all night when he was approached by two women who proposed sex for money. They wanted him to prove he wasn't a cop by going to an ATM machine and withdrawing money.
When he did, authorities said, Yearby obtained $ - - - - - 's personal identification number and Knight keyed it into her cellular phone.
They then rode up a hotel elevator and Yearby started hugging $ - - - - - aggressively.
"Well, the girls were all over me, so to speak, in the elevator hugging and so on," $ - - - - - said.
But when he got to his hotel room, the girls turned around and left. He later was approached by security, who had been watching the whole incident unfold by surveillance camera.
"(They) asked me if I had been missing any money," $ - - - - - said. "They asked me to check my pockets and said that they believed I was missing some money.
"I found that I was missing roughly $4,000."
His ATM card also was missing.
Police said they found credit cards belonging to two other men in Yearby's possession at the time of the arrest in $+++++ 's case.
Yearby's defense attorney, James "Bucky" Buchanan, acknowledged that Yearby was on probation in Las Vegas for a prior trick roll conviction.
<SNIP>
Photos of the fat witch and her stable of ROBs included at:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/May-21-Sun-2006/news/7521377.html
Norman Stormin
05-22-06, 11:44
[QUOTE=Wastrel]CRAZY HORSE TOO: 17th defendant accepts plea
Agreement ends topless club investigation
Note: What some visitors or those new in town may not fully understand is that many of these joints are openly controlled by the mob and are completely under the shameless protection of friendly local government officials on their payroll, including the Clark County prosecutor's office, state and local judges, many officers in the Las Vegas Metropolitain Police Dept, a U.S. Senator who as Senate minority leader is now the highest ranking member of his political party in the entire nation, and their very special good pal the mayor of Las Vegas, and the only reason there was ever any consequence at all for anyone connected to this place is that there were so many tourists stomped on, crippled, and killed on the premises that the body count eventually managed to get the attention of Federal prosecutors.
Guys need to understand that if you end up in a Vegas clip joint that pads your tab with outrageous phony charges you are completely on your own escaping with your health and wealth somewhat inctact. Unless you can find a way to make a Federal case out of it, police, prosecutors, courts, and government officials in Clark County Nevada, who are installed in office by the union thugs controlling one of the political parties, will not help you at all; they will laugh over your body as they collect their little cut of the action from these goons. This is the real mob, sadistic loser psychopaths, who are not at all like the cute funny mobsters you might like to watch on cable TV. These guys, the real ones, have the brains of a toaster and they torture for fun and kill you for nothing. -W
Those same sadistic loser psycopaths you describe would have put a couple of bullets in the back of the head of that 17 year old mongrel bastard, deposited his body on mama's D and Washington federally subsidized housing project front porch, and saved Metro's token minority McCurdy a lot of "splainin" about how two veteran homicide detectives simultaneously placed two fatal bullets in the back of a juvenile.
Remember Wastrel, Nevada is the last bastion of the wild West. Any semblance of civility is just cleaver public relations. It's the same enforcer thugs who traded their fedoras for a badge. Similar to the Russian KGB becoming the new maffia, only in reverse.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/May-21-Sun-2006/opinion/7321714.html
Here is a hint of what can happen to unwary tourists who let themselves get delivered to one of the mobbed up places in town. Visitors will do themselves a big favor if they glance through the content of some of these links, then decide for themselves how much they think today's local Vegas mobsters resemble that cute clever funny bunch of friendly actors you see on TV shows, and decide whether you think it's worth the bother to take the time to read the advice in this thread on how to avoid them when you're looking for a good time.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Jan-23-Sun-2005/news/25713922.html
http://www.kvbc.com/global/story.asp?s=1067171&ClientType=Printable
http://www.americanmafia.com/Inside_Vegas/7-26-04_Inside_Vegas.html
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2002/Dec-22-Sun-2002/news/20329815.html
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/2003/jan/09/514494348.html
http://www.stevemiller4lasvegas.com/AnotherBeatingAtCrazyHorse.htm
This is a very small sample at just one such place which happens to have very friendly business and personal relationships dating back decades with the current mayor of Las Vegas, but there are hundreds of these incidents at dozens of joints in town. If this isn't your idea of a good time, please read through this thread so you won't be their next pigeon. Post #1 at the beginning of this thread would be a sensible place to start, and it would be wise to continue at least as far as the link in post #9 before you head out on the town.
Norman Stormin
07-12-06, 17:41
Here is a hint of what can happen to unwary tourists .... before you head out on the town.
And even more menacing are the 832 rookie cops who regularly shoot first and only answer questions at the Coroner's inquest !
I'm never headed out ON the town again !
I'm headed the hell OUT of town !
Cienaga, you got an extra room ?
Well, don't let me get to you, take a look for yourself at the factual public record of what these guys actually do and who they do it to and for what. But I didn't really picture you as someone getting into a cab at the airport and innocently asking the hack where your wad of bills should go to find a good time. There are times when I feel a romanticized nostalgia for the old wiseguy system too, but it seems to me these days they just aren't making the goombahs the way they used to. Didn't the rule used to be that nobody was allowed to get dead in Vegas who wasn't supposed to, and even then you planted the stiff in a hole somewhere closer to Baker than Binion's? Just how much of that colorful old days mythology was true, or not, I really couldn't say for sure, but I know that any rationalization of the twisted pathological behavior of the current sub-human mutants and their cockroach errand boys, such as Goodman, et.al., is just incomprehensibly sick.
I do wonder to what extent this daily (yes it is daily, ask Jim who runs the auto body place next to Rizzolo) clip-joint tourist stomping is a uniquely Vegas thing. I don't hear about it happening in other places, but then I'm not often going to Cleveland or Columbus in search of a good time. I hear about financial scams such as credit card fraud from some of the same goons in Atlanta and NY and Florida, but not the routine beatings of customers with the bloody body count.
If it is mostly a Vegas thing, I'll speculate: that maybe it's becuase people make themselves easier marks as they tend to suspend their normal cautious skepticism when they come to this town; that a hundred-thousand fresh pigeons landing at McCarran Airport daily make it possible to operate on a business model that doesn't depend on repeat customers; and that the attitude of the town's gullible populace tolerates it's law enforcement, judiciary, and other public officials being low-rent junior partners of really slimy scumbags to a much greater extent than elsewhere, so sadistic psycho-creeps can operate without fear of the normal consequences and bottom feeding thugs know they are protected so long as their name ends in a vowel.
We'll see what happens to the CH2 liquor license. Is murder, committed to steal someone's loose change, repeated again and again, enough to get your liquor license pulled? It sure is if you are (or were) the Four Aces bar on the north end of town. Let's see if that's so when you are Rizzolo. I predict he will be "fined" about $2M and promptly pay it out of petty cash, and also continue to cheerfully pay the Mayor's private law firm a high seven figure annual retainer for miscellaneous unspecified "legal services" but that the body count of dead tourists and rack of bloody baseball bats with brain material stuck to them will not cost him a liquor license in Las Vegas.
BTW, it sounds like C.32 played it pretty sharp. Cash out your equity at the absolute peak of a cyclical crazed speculative feeding frenzy in local residential property, use a part of your California sucker's money to buy a comfortable pad in one of the most reasonably priced real estate markets in the nation, and enjoy a comfortable retirement on the fat chunk of change you have left from the transaction, with affordable hot tamales available for rent daily just over the border. I have a similar retirement-escape plan in mind, except mine involves brushing up on Bisayan and Tagalog instead of Spanish, and the employment of a full time housekeeper/cook/nurse. Just a difference in personal taste, and timing.
... I used to live there!
What's with Metro lately? I keep watching the on-line KLAS feeds out here and I'm amazed. You would think they would be better shots by now! I see Metro is outpacing L.A. now as well.
Seriously, they do seem a little over-eager but I can see their point at times. You never know what the hell these douchebag street punks are going to do. The way I figure it is if they just shoot these clowns they can get back to real crime - like SWs and mongers who 'love' them
Wastrel, one thing about the Spanish speaking ones is that they haven't learned the art of vengeful castration... yet. Isn't that a popular activity for jilted/jealous Filipinas or am I being presumptuous about your Tagalog preference.
I wish we shared a border with Thailand - I would never be at home. As it is, Thailand is way too far for me to drive to.
Wastrel, one thing about the Spanish speaking ones is that they haven't learned the art of vengeful castration... yet. Isn't that a popular activity for jilted/jealous Filipinas...Wow, it's amazing the persistent worldwide notoriety that one Cebuana has got for chopping her philandering hubby's sausage months and months ago. I saved the local account of the infamous weenie whacking at the time (and what does that tell you about me) so here it is:
Tuesday, October 11, 2005
SunStar - Cebu
Tired of his womanizing, wife cuts husband’s penis
Tired of her husband’s womanizing, a woman in Lapu-Lapu City cut his penis while he was sleeping Monday morning in Barangay Lo-ok, Lapu-Lapu City.
Ronald Armada Pino, 26, was brought to the hospital while policemen arrested Maridee Lepardo Sejuela, who is four months pregnant.
The husband works as a maintenance worker in a shipyard. Maridee, who takes care of their three-year old son, said her husband beats her whenever he comes home drunk.
Last Sunday night, he arrived home with another woman identified in the police report as Nerissa Relao. Relao is a neighbor who owns a store.
Maridee said she just controlled her anger as the two lay down in their bedroom. She then approached the two and stood in front of them. Relao left and Ronald went to sleep.
Maridee said she couldn’t sleep that night, mad at how her husband had the gall to bring another woman home. Early the next morning, she took a knife from the kitchen and cut his sex organ.
Ronald woke up screaming. The two fought. The noise caught the neighbors’ attention. The neighbors alerted the police.
Maridee said it was not the first time her husband had an affair. She once caught him dating another woman. But he banged her head against the wall.
She also learned lately that her husband was seeing another woman. Last Sunday’s incident confirmed her doubts.
Since Thursday, her husband would come home late and beat her.
But haven't I heard of a Puerto Rican lady doing that to some Bobbit or other somewhere else? Of course, there are more recent examples of the Filipina reputation for sometimes getting just a wee bit jealous, walang (without) the pecker-ectomy:
Thursday, January 19, 2006
SunStar - Cebu
Wife hacks ‘cheating’ husband
Barangay Captain Jesus Bontilao, 55, was taken to a Cebu City hospital yesterday, after his wife Babylonia hacked his nape with a 17-inch bolo at 11:30 a.m.
Insp. Mario Monilar, chief of the homicide section, said they could not yet determine Jesus’ status because as of yesterday afternoon he was still at the operating room of the Perpetual Succour Hospital.
Babylonia, 54, gave herself up to responding policemen, who turned her over to the homicide section for investigation.
In an interview with Sun.Star Cebu, Babylonia said she did not regret attacking her husband.
She has been planning to kill her husband for leaving her for another woman.
She saw the opportunity yesterday while he was busy making plans for a house he would build for their son at the barangay proper.
“Wala ko magmahay. Dili ko magmahay og unsay kaagian sa akong kinabuhi. Nagmahay lang ko og nganong wala maputol ang iyang ulo (I don’t care what happens to me now. My only regret is that his head didn’t fall off),” Babylonia said.
Jealous
Babylonia and Jesus have been living separately for eight months now.
The barangay captain reportedly left their house and moved in to their daughter’s house in the neighboring Sitio Tagaytap, Adlaon.
“Milakaw siya niadtong Mayo (2005) kay iya kong biyaan kay bati kuno ko og batasan, pero akong nahibal-an nga ang tinuod diay nga rason tungod kay duna na siya’y lain nga gi-ibid-ibiran. Maingon ta nga nagselos ko (He left me saying I have poor demeanor, but I later found that his real reason was she found another. I got jealous),” Babylonia said.
They were married 34 years ago and have seven children, with the youngest now 13 years old.
She narrated that she once asked Jesus to go back to their house, but he refused.
Carpentry
Since then she planned to kill him.
Shortly before noontime yesterday, Jesus, who knows carpentry, went to Taptap because of his son’s request.
While Jesus focused on his work, Babylonia got hold of a bolo and hacked the barangay captain.
Had it not been for their eldest son Rogelio, 33, who intervened, along with the neighbors, Babylonia said she would have killed her husband.
“Nibarag na siya unya usban pa unta nako mibabag naman akong anak ug mga tawo, (He staggered and I wanted to hit him again but they held me),” Babylonia said.
Monilar said Babylonia will be charged with frustrated parricide. The complaint will be filed today.
Rogelio said he ask his father not to file charges against Babylonia.
Wow, it's amazing the persistent worldwide notoriety that one Cebuana has got for chopping her philandering hubby's sausage months and months ago. I saved the local account of the infamous weenie whacking at the time (and what does that tell you about me) so here it is:
Oh - it takes more than once for you? I didn't hear of the one you posted but, over the years, I have heard of a few - not just involving Filipinos tho'. Some of the SE Asian countries have a few clip-joint type of lovelies as well.
As far as your 2nd story - Babylonia & Jesus? That's a bad, bad combo to begin with, as history shows.
In all seriousness, I don't discount these hot-headed Hispanics. They, & (real) Italian chicks, have a patent a crazed rage when it comes to matters of the heart.
Oh - it takes more than once for you?Not necessarily. Depends on whose wing-wang the wronged wife wishes to whack. But usually they just passively freeze you out with the diabolical Filipina sulk. Much worse than it sounds.
Actually, after having spent a lot of time there, shacking up in-country for six months at a stretch, my judgement is that I'm a LOT less likely to run into any kind of malicious violence in the PI, from any source, than in Las Vegas. Plenty of smiling scammers, but not so many bloody messes. On the other hand, I'm a lot more likely to croak early in the PI from bad food or water or a really weird disease that much of the world has never heard of, a leaky ferry boat breaking apart and sinking me into the South China Sea, a typhoon or landslide washing me away, or to suddenly become a hood ornament on a jeepney while trying to cross the street.
Has anyone else had a problem with a massage parlor called Sensations in Vegas? It's off the strip on South Tropicana. A cab driver took me there; I've had good luck with cab driver tips in the past. Anyway, this place required a "consultation" fee and then a fee for the massage, and the masseuse kept asking me to pay some more to add another woman or to get more intimate or to move to another room. I could hear other men in other rooms reacting similarly to me, saying "I feel like I'm being ripped off." None of this ever happened, so finally I just left, with my wallet much lighter. Of course there's no recourse, I mean what would I tell the cops? That I was promised sex and then didn't get it? Just a warning to anyone to whom this place is recommended. It is a RIPOFF joint!
Has anyone else had a problem...Fire away; this one deserves it.
I like visiting Vegas and one of the standard rules is not to go where a cab driver suggests. The vast majority of the time they will take you to a rip off joint. You were lucky, some places will have bouncer type toss you out on your ass the minutes you get upset because you realize you are getting ripped off.
The rip off joints know you really can not go to the cops, or at least will be very scared to turn to them for help.
xerman
There is a reason hundreds of parlors have popped up around Vegas.
They don't have to do any sex work, by the time they have sent you through
the doors that lock from the inside-you are outside next to your car!
Edgar Alan Ho
07-25-06, 21:53
Because prostitution is legal in most of Nevada, a lot of people mistakenly believe that prostitution is legal in Las Vegas. It's kind of an urban legend, or at least a widely spread rumor. And that's the setup for these ripoff joints and the escort ads that are handed out on the strip 24/7. The unwise tourist thinks prostitution is legal and that he's gonna get some action. The ripoff joint reinforces this mistaken belief with false, nonspecific promises (like "for $500 you get EVERYTHING!") for as long as the "mark" will keep spending money. When the mark starts to get suspicious they get the boot along with a sternly delivered warning that prostitution is illegal. Worse yet, the legal brothels that are only about an hour drive from Las Vegas are not permitted to advertise in Las Vegas because their services aren't legal there. So some tourists never figure it out.
Heh,
Sunday night myself and some friends wanted some decent DD $5 min BJ...ie not any Harrahs properties. So we cabbed to Slots a Fun to get drunk and play some BJ. On the way the cabbie asked if we wanted to go to a strip club. I told him, "No thanks. No kickback for you tonight." He immediately got on his cell and called his buddy...the conversation was in some random eastern euro language and went some thing like this "adjhf djh kadkjd kickback ajdf hsjk fhjkd hjkas" which roughly translated probably is "I just picked up some son of a beetch tourist who knows about the kickbacks". We all laughed...he asked how I knew about that stuff, and I told him its pretty well known on internet sites.
I like visiting Vegas and one of the standard rules is not to go where a cab driver suggests. The vast majority of the time they will take you to a rip off joint. You were lucky, some places will have bouncer type toss you out on your ass the minutes you get upset because you realize you are getting ripped off.
The rip off joints know you really can not go to the cops, or at least will be very scared to turn to them for help.
xerman
Speck,
That is a funny story. I just hope that word continues to get out so that at least some guys will avoid the rip off.
Edgar Alan Ho,
You made an very good point about people mistake the "legalized" issue. It is not legal in Vegas, just some of the counties in Nevada.
Guady1,
You point become the icing on the cake. Once the horny guy has been taken, the big bouncer type tosses you out, the door is locked and the guy is scared and will not call the police..... what can he say....
All someone has to do is research the internet (like thsi site). Spend some time observing Vegas and you can learn much.
Xerman
Danielcazenove
07-26-06, 13:56
Most girls at the bar in Vegas after 10pm are not working girls, having this attitude will certainly lead to trouble, most are tourist some regulars some working and some members of law enforcment working to make arrests, never assume everyones working even at a ho convention that's just stupid.How bad is the presence of LE at the bars? I've read through this board for a week (an hour each day) in preparation of my first trip to Vegas. First trip, and alone (with no wife in tow). Haven't seen much talk about LE. After reading your posts, I was inclined to think that I should look for CGs at some of the bars (at the Bay, Bellagio, Luxor, MGM in particular) or to walk between the Bay and the Luxor or between the NY and Excalibur, hoping to be approached by one of those reported young SW. Now that you suddenly mentioned LE, hmm.
Thanks for any feedback,
Dan
Newcomers should be aware that THIS is NOT the main thread containing most of the information on rip-offs in Las Vegas.
This is: http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2791
Unfortunately there is a discontinuity because admin created some tidy looking standardized threads with insipid generic names that left much information orphaned, and most of what you need to know on this topic in this town is not at all time sensitive. That's what lead to a trickle of only two posts a month here, even though every day in Vegas pretty much continues to define the standard for the major league world championship of scamming. The same stuff goes on for decades in the same way in the same places with refinements and variations. Regulars here are well aware of it, and don't usually go reposting the same thing over and again in different threads, but newcomers who most urgently need to read the accumulated information are least likely to see it, and should be aware of the thread titled "Clip-joints, scams, and rip-offs" which is below the break at the end of the "sticky" threads. At least the first page of that thread is vital for first time visitors to this town. At the very least, pay special attention to the link in Post #9 of that thread on 7-05-05 so you don't easily get steered and gored.
Are the girls at pretty Maids in a row legit? They get great reviews on lvfever and blasted on craiglist, but I can't find anything else on them.
Please help me out because Alex and Niki are hot.
OK, In Vegas it's either hotel limo, or cab ride, if as we all know most cab's are on the take and get a bounty per customer, Can't we tell him to take ten or 15 off the ride or ride for free? Just a thought lol
OK, In Vegas it's either hotel limo, or cab ride, if as we all know most cab's are on the take and get a bounty per customer, Can't we tell him to take ten or 15 off the ride or ride for free? Just a thought lolInteresting idea. Yeah sure, you could try to split the kickback with him, but if you let him take you to one of the clip joints, then you will be paying through the nose once you get delivered to a place where you absolutely positively will be ripped off, or worse if you try to get out without paying. The theory might be worth trying if you go to one of the more legit titty bars that YOU have selected, then you might try getting the driver to eat part of your cover charge, but the better strip clubs that don't operate like clip joints won't be the ones paying the biggest kickbacks to find and recruit suckers to feed into their system. If you are going with a group of buddies, then I suppose the total amount of the bounty per head might in theory give you some bargaining power to work with. I think they are likely to be a little more skilled than you at the game they play all day every day, but if you want to try your hand playing the professional scammers, be my guest, let us know how it works out for you.
I think they are likely to be a little more skilled than you at the game they play all day every day, but if you want to try your hand playing the professional scammers, be my guest, let us know how it works out for you. So the Legit Places Like S.R. And Scores etc don't play the same game as the others, I have STILL not been to a real strip joint in Vegas, I think I walked by something downtown don't remember going in, I hear they work over 100 girls a night at the rhino, not sure if I would enjoy something that big, and the extras are hard enough to get when you have to work between ten to see who's working, I can't imagine anything but hanging out for a bit then doing something else.
So the Legit Places Like S.R. And Scores etc don't play the same game...They do pay kickbacks too, which is illegal and does jack up the cost for the customer, but not such a high price per head as the worst clip joints. The legit places can get repeat business, while it's unlikely anyone would ever ask on their own to go to a clip joint like Sensations or the Can Can, or go there twice to get fleeced again. A legit titty bar might be paying twenty bucks a head so the drivers don't boycott them, while some clip joints might give the cabbie as much as a hundred or more at the back door, and they WILL be making their money back.
LovesAsianLady
10-05-06, 18:29
The worst, in my experience, are the escorts who promise one thing and deliver another--for a much higher price.
Many of the web sites actually show photographs of porn actresses and lead unsuspecting customers into believing THAT is the woman who will show up at the door.
Hello,, everyone out here seems to be an expert, humm!
Let me throw some good info out here for anyone visiting vegas.
If your coming to town and want some adult fun beware.
There is alot of clup joints, some bad strip clubs, some bad swing/sex clubs, and alot of bad hookers, overpriced or just a rip off or you may get robbed
Alot of the hookers in this town will try getting you for as much as possible if they cut you a deal and you turn your back on them alot of them will bolt out of your room some may just roll you and take your money these girls are rarley a good deal and if you do get sex you will probably spend 200 and up.
There are asian incall houses all over town that are good and safe and only 150. 00 for full service you won't get ripped off at these places.
The brothels out of town are very expensive be prepared to spend 1000. 00 or more if a driver takes you out there they get usually about 30%. Be very careful trying to get laid here.
If your going to strip clubs the newer and larger clubs are great with great service and alot of girls the nude clubs are pretty bad in town due to no alcohol so they charge more for the entertainment to make up for the no drinking the swing clubs in town are soft the red rooster is good but for an older crowd the green door is good only on fri and sat but is too expensive for single guys 110. 00.
The other swing clubs in town are nice but noone goes there so its not worth your money. The clip joints are places like hard bodies spa sensations spa can can room and other off the path odd places these places will lure you in for no real fun.
Limo drivers and cab drivers do know where the action is but if you don't get an honest driver they will steer you towards the clip joints that pay more.
I do drive a limo here in town but DO not take people to these shit places.
I don't work with hookers in town they are a rip off.
I can recommend asian incall houses but don't offer rides to these places and don't take kickbacks I just like to see my people get a good deal.
Also I do give free rides and free drinks to the best strip clubs in town that is how we do make our money off the strip clubs but I don't take people to the bad clubs only the clubs that fit your wants and needs.
Anyone with any questions just message me anytime for honest good info to help you have a great time here in vegas with no bs.
Electrons 54
01-20-07, 14:41
mrjunkbox seems honest to me. the one time i called him and don't flame me, just speaking my peace here, but i don't know him from adam. anyway, again the one time i called him, he did steer me to a asian house that i was aware of on my own, so i just wanted to see if he knew of different places than me, or if he was only self promoting.
he never asked for anything, only gave good information and please take this for what it's worth, he sounds like guy just trying to help others out.
mrjunkbox seems honest to me. the one time i called him and don't flame me, just speaking my peace here, but i don't know him from adam. anyway, again the one time i called him, he did steer me to a asian house that i was aware of on my own, so i just wanted to see if he knew of different places than me, or if he was only self promoting.
he never asked for anything, only gave good information and please take this for what it's worth, he sounds like guy just trying to help others out.Hey bro,
Thanks for the nice words, as I've always said I like to see people come into this crazy town and get a good deal when I take guys to strip clubs I make my money otherwise I don't need anyones money, if they want to use my limo service then I earn otherwise I like to see guys get a good deal, hell I'm a gut too and like a good deal.
Desert Kid
08-05-07, 03:07
How bad is the presence of LE at the bars? I've read through this board for a week (an hour each day) in preparation of my first trip to Vegas. First trip, and alone (with no wife in tow). Haven't seen much talk about LE. After reading your posts, I was inclined to think that I should look for CGs at some of the bars (at the Bay, Bellagio, Luxor, MGM in particular) or to walk between the Bay and the Luxor or between the NY and Excalibur, hoping to be approached by one of those reported young SW. Now that you suddenly mentioned LE, hmm.
Thanks for any feedback,
Dan
I would be very surprised if you ever had an LE problem at any of the hotels you mentioned. Go to a video poker bar and have a drink. It won't be hard to tell who's working. Be smart and wait for them to proposition you. Believe me they will. Depending on where your staying they'll ask for a lot of money. If you negotiate right you'll get most of them to take $$. Make sure that after you settle on a price you have the amount of time they'll stay and the services they'll provide already worked out before you go upstairs.
She knocked him out with lotion? Why didn't the smell knock her out too if it was so powerful as to knock him out with one wiff?
Guys check my post under Massage Parlors. Sensations is a total rip off!
Donny Devito
04-10-08, 13:35
Where were you staying?
What did she look like?
When you take a stranger back to your room be careful hide your stuff.Where can you hide things in a hotel room? These pro girls have been in hundreds of hotel rooms and probably know all the spots.
Donny Devito
04-10-08, 16:45
If vegas cabbies get $50 per head sometimes, then why don't more people become cabbies? That's sounds like a great income. 2-3 hundred dollars a night. Not bad.
Lotsoffun201
04-11-08, 05:38
Getting a good cabbie route in Vegas is very hard. Only senior cabbies get unlimited routes. Newbies are relegated to off strip runs. Since tourism is down there are less cabbie jobs anyway. Also being a cabbie is dangerous, and a couple were killed a year or two back
... I used to live there!
I wish we shared a border with Thailand - I would never be at home. As it is, Thailand is way too far for me to drive to.Sure, but Thailand makes Vegas look like Omish country.
Yes sports fans, even I, the great (and humble) Anontip have to admit to having my ho-dar instincts fail me on occasion.
First saw this gal last week (pink pics) and thought she looked reasonably young & clean. Saw her again a few days later & had a quick chat. She was perky & fun during the lean-in so I took her to a nearby hotel (bonus points to any "seniors" who can guess which one by the room pics). She said her name was "Luck".
But as soon as we got to the room it was like she flipped a switch and her whole attitude turned extra crappy. Plus I realized she wasn't as clean as I had first thought (check out her nasty feet! ). And once you got past her purfume I realized she actually smelled even worse.
I aint admittin to all the LE on this board that I did nothin' but LEGALLY take some pics. That ain't a crime in this country, yet (gee oh wait, yes it is now for bridges & landmarks, I forgot! ) But even so she aint worth the time or $ in any way.
But yo F_Blaster, I fully recommend her to you. Let us all know if her feet taste as nasty as they look
First saw this gal last week (pink pics) One more pic for the pinheads who keep sayin "ain't BHY!". If yo don' reconize this as BHY & Trop, then ya'll need to start huffin' higher quality glue.
Thanks for the heads up on that one. Mama always said never date a girl with dirty feet and them things are nasty looking!
Thanks for the heads up on that one. Mama always said never date a girl with dirty feet and them things are nasty looking!Bro, clear out yo box so I can PM you.
If vegas cabbies get $50 per head sometimes, then why don't more people become cabbies? That's sounds like a great income. 2-3 hundred dollars a night. Not bad.I work at a local casino and a friend of mine husband and sister is a cab driver in vegas and she sayed they both cleared 70K last year. I thought about it but I don't know if I want to be killed any time soon.
TonyAndolleni
08-10-08, 03:28
How are you. I will be in vegas on business this Tuesday. Thursday. Looking to do something Wednesday night. Really not lookin for fs, at must a handshake from a hot young lady. Any advice? Appreciated.
Hello,, everyone out here seems to be an expert, humm!
Let me throw some good info out here for anyone visiting vegas.
If your coming to town and want some adult fun beware.
There is alot of clup joints, some bad strip clubs, some bad swing/sex clubs, and alot of bad hookers, overpriced or just a rip off or you may get robbed
Alot of the hookers in this town will try getting you for as much as possible if they cut you a deal and you turn your back on them alot of them will bolt out of your room some may just roll you and take your money these girls are rarley a good deal and if you do get sex you will probably spend 200 and up.
There are asian incall houses all over town that are good and safe and only 150. 00 for full service you won't get ripped off at these places.
The brothels out of town are very expensive be prepared to spend 1000. 00 or more if a driver takes you out there they get usually about 30%. Be very careful trying to get laid here.
If your going to strip clubs the newer and larger clubs are great with great service and alot of girls the nude clubs are pretty bad in town due to no alcohol so they charge more for the entertainment to make up for the no drinking the swing clubs in town are soft the red rooster is good but for an older crowd the green door is good only on fri and sat but is too expensive for single guys 110. 00.
The other swing clubs in town are nice but noone goes there so its not worth your money. The clip joints are places like hard bodies spa sensations spa can can room and other off the path odd places these places will lure you in for no real fun.
Limo drivers and cab drivers do know where the action is but if you don't get an honest driver they will steer you towards the clip joints that pay more.
I do drive a limo here in town but DO not take people to these shit places.
I don't work with hookers in town they are a rip off.
I can recommend asian incall houses but don't offer rides to these places and don't take kickbacks I just like to see my people get a good deal.
Also I do give free rides and free drinks to the best strip clubs in town that is how we do make our money off the strip clubs but I don't take people to the bad clubs only the clubs that fit your wants and needs.
Anyone with any questions just message me anytime for honest good info to help you have a great time here in vegas with no bs.
Complete bait n switch, called her to join us as arm candy at a party, told me shed be in a small car, I got to the car different girl, said she was not the redhead i was looking for. The car drove up to me seconds later, and she called my cell saying come back its me, and im looking at the chick in the car at the same time, only shes not on her phone...
They even sucked at bait n switch LOL
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Met a cg on the bridge between Belliago and Ceasars.. seermed really friendly, kissing. Discussed business to include full hour, daty, multiples. $$$
get to the room and the rules start. kissing on lips only, no licking pussy-kiss it only, quick cbj, and right to doggie... I tried to last, but tough at my age. after 15-20 minutes, I nut.. she's ready to go.. asks for a towel and the minute I walk away she's in my pants taking my money clip.. Caught her red handed and she still wouldn't give it back. I took it and was temped to take her money back, but I didn't need it to get ugly so I just threw her out.
Blonde, smoker (but not till in room) 5" 5" approx, real thin. padded bra so that she looks more busty than she is. said her name was Courtney, claimed to be from midwest (quad cities area). Looks a little older, late 20's early 30's. Attractive and friendly when first met
Avoid this one. she's a real charmer on the bridge, but she is a thief. Claims she gets $$$$$$$$ for her service.
I've been lucky mongering, this is my first encounter like this
This pimp doesnt quit... total bait -n- switch, see mt report below
SO CALL ME & NOW BECAUSE YOU DEFINITELY WON'T BE MISLED BY THIS SULTRY RED-HEAD!!!
CARMINA
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Indy Cruiser
10-18-08, 14:49
Lapdogg - The only way she gets $$$$$$$ for her services is by ripping folks like us off...
Glad to see you came out unscathed. I figure at least you nutted once..but heck, thats alotta dough for a single pop...
Met a cg on the bridge between Belliago and Ceasars.. seermed really friendly, kissing. Discussed business to include full hour, daty, multiples. $$$
get to the room and the rules start. kissing on lips only, no licking pussy-kiss it only, quick cbj, and right to doggie... I tried to last, but tough at my age. after 15-20 minutes, I nut.. she's ready to go.. asks for a towel and the minute I walk away she's in my pants taking my money clip.. Caught her red handed and she still wouldn't give it back. I took it and was temped to take her money back, but I didn't need it to get ugly so I just threw her out.
Blonde, smoker (but not till in room) 5" 5" approx, real thin. padded bra so that she looks more busty than she is. said her name was Courtney, claimed to be from midwest (quad cities area). Looks a little older, late 20's early 30's. Attractive and friendly when first met
Avoid this one. she's a real charmer on the bridge, but she is a thief. Claims she gets $$$$$$$$ for her service.
I've been lucky mongering, this is my first encounter like this
Be careful of a petite cute SW named Melissa, my friend saw her 3 weeks ago and she gave him great service 3 diff times then last weekend when he called her she was happy to come see him at his hotel, while oral she reached into his pants and wallet and took his wad of cash said she had to go pee then ran out the door funny thing is she only stole 108 which was 8 more than he was gonna give her she usually asks for alot less but he gave her more for past good service.
Be careful she is cute but a crackhead and unstable like most SW's.
---- CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED ----
It's a damn shame too, 'cause the girl is hot!
360-635-7550
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/ers/893976330.html
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/ers/893944321.html
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/ers/893900994.html
Same old story.. shows up, exchange money ($350), CBJ, upsell for more, calls pimp/driver when I start to get angry, walks with money.
---- CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED ----
Never Knew
10-30-08, 01:10
I was doing one last round at the slots at about 5:30 AM and got the old "are ya winning" and knew what she wanted. Smantha was Brunett. Long wavey hair tied in the back, around 27-30, large fake tit's but quite wholsome looking. Nice leather boots, ass a little big, but cute as she covered it with a sweater. She asked if I wanted a drink and I invited here to my room for a one. No mention of my hotel, but we took a taxi and stopped at Walgreen's for condem's as she said she didn't have any. While there, she asked for an egg salad sandwhich, Red Bull 12 OZ and string cheese (gross. Eh).
Anyway, she gave a lot of sob story about how she came to Vegas as a daycare worker but couldn't make enough money to support her daughter, father and I think a son all somewhere other than Vegas. She said that she was sending them all money (boo hoo) but wasn't proud of what she did. Once she came in the room, we worked out the money that we had agreed to earlier. She asked me to leave it on the night stand which is I have seen before. She undressed and started to work on me and her phone buzzed with a text. She said she had to go out of the room for a while and asked me to go with her. I said no way. The money was still on the nighstand so I said go. She said she needed to make a buy of oxycontin cause she needed it and her doctor was not available over the weekend.
I figured she was gone, but noticed she left a small purse. In the purse was a pill cutter and I suppose she needed it. Then I got suspicous and she somehow snatched the money from the night stand except for the top bill. I was pretty caucious and thought I watched closely, but also still a little drunk. She was a master. Surprisingly she returned, but I think because she needed her pill cutter and purse that she had forgotton. She snorted this crap and said it would make her really horney and that she was honest enough to return. Then she undressed and a laid in the bed. She said she wanted to watch a movie and I said: "let's get going". She said just ten minutes, then ten minutes more. I suspected she was waiting for me to fall asleep. I started to feel around her ass and she said that I couldn't get close to there. I said fine as she wanted another few minutes to watch TV- I had to use the bathroom. When I came back and laid next to her, she jumped out of bed and went psycho saying that she told me to stay away from her ass. I didn't even have a chance to touch her ass, but it was her distraction to get out. She threw her cloth's on and stomped out of the room, not fulfilling her bargain. She left her phone and I was checking the text's on it. A pretty messed up life. When she returned for the phone, I just gave it to her as I didn't want a scene at the hotel at 9 in the morning. She took me to the cleaners!
Stay away from this one. She is a bad to the bone druggie!
Hell I would have kept her phone just to screw with her pimp or drug dealers.I would have scared the hell out of them.
Gnome out ...
Eric Henderson
11-01-08, 18:41
Damn thats horrible and crazy. I can't say thats ever happened to me but I don't really go to the casinos looking either. I would recommend sticking with Incalls in vegas unless you find someone with reviews for their Outcalls. Too many horror stories when they come to you. Agencies. Crazy bitches. Etc, at least with incalls if it doesn't look right you can get the hell out of there.
Smokey1981
11-27-08, 01:05
If you go to a AMP don't take your wallet with you just take $$ that should be enough that goes for in-calls too. Another one if you go hunting for a SW make sure you have $ in your front packet that way you don't have to reach to your wallet, remember if she see your wallet pack with money your asking for trouble. If your staying in a casino and your goin to look for some action make sure before you leave your room hide all valuable items you may have like a watch or stuff like that. Never ever ever trust them ho's. Peace playas
Good luck hunting and sorry for my grammar LOL I'm drunk.
Desertchief
12-31-08, 02:12
I was victim to a clip joint in Vegas once. Got drunk and was stupid. I'm one of the guys quoted here under a different name from another forum. It sucked. I'd hate to see anyone go back and give these scum money.
My favorite places to pick up working girls is Hard Rock center bar, Rio, and Palms. LVHilton struggles.
Usa Traveller
02-28-09, 03:17
http://www.eros-lasvegas.com/files/lv-centerfolds5-cory1.htm
I wish I found this site a few days ago. Was quoted 250 for her services, she arrived (not the lady in the photo. A lookalike), took the money and asked for a grand. Obviously I said no way, she took 50 and said a friend would turn up for 200. The friend did turn up 10 minutes later, very pretty lady, took the 200 and asked for another 300. I said no way, she started rubbing me up, took the 200 and gave me a HJ. She wouldn't even consider anything else.
350 I paid for that HJ. Which was a good one in fairness. Just not THAT good.
Desertchief
04-21-09, 02:30
Unbelievable no one has gotten scammed lately? These are good stories. I too am a victim, so don't be embarrassed!
I like to put my Blackberry on Silent so I can take some PIX of the girl when I need to make a call. I really take a phone of here as best as I can. I also ask the girl if I can take her pix, if she is kool then she is for real. If not ten out of ten, she is a Scam.
Something to think about.
Cameltopian
07-19-09, 15:54
Was curious about this place called "Passions" where they "$pecialize in one on one private entertainment supposedly.
Not much info on the web about them until I thankfully came across this website:
http://local. Botw.org/Nevada/Las_Vegas/Passions/689469541.html
By jonathan w
"a complete con. Girls are ugly and fat mexican guy looks like hes gonna kill you if you question what your paying for"
May 31, 2009 Reply | Report as Offensive by Johnny Vegas
"The place is a scam. $200 to get in $200 next room. Hand massage only. Passions in Las Vegas is a store front robbery"
April 18, 2009 Reply | Report as Offensive
By SCAM
"It's a SCAM. THey tell you to pay up front and then go to the next room and ask you if you want the special service for another $200.00 but will never tell you what it is. Then they will bring you to another room and ask if you want to go to the bedroom for the VIP service. When you get there, nothing happens and they massage your feet, hands, and ears! THats it and then a fat mexican gangster escorts you out. " November 24, 2008 Reply | Report as Offensive
Dirty birds? Spread the word!
Be safe guys.
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http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/ads/1299636198.html
This girl is a total rob! Took the cash and ran!
Smokey1981
08-02-09, 04:23
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/ads/1299636198.html
This girl is a total rob! Took the cash and ran!I'm goin to paste her infor before its take down.
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photo (attached) at least reasonably accurate?
Nemo
I'm goin to paste her infor before its take down.
Smokey1981
08-02-09, 17:04
photo (attached) at least reasonably accurate?
NemoWe should play with her.
Lets call her and arrange a fake meet in any hotel hehehe...it would be funny to see her jumping from hotel to hotel XOXOXO FARRAH 702-609-0224
Alan Shore
08-03-09, 02:27
We should play with her.
Lets call her and arrange a fake meet in any hotel hehehe...it would be funny to see her jumping from hotel to hotel XOXOXO FARRAH 702-609-0224
I would like nothing more then to waste the night of a girl that was planning to rip off a few of my fellow hobbiest's...
Lv Panther
08-03-09, 03:35
I would like nothing more then to waste the night of a girl that was planning to rip off a few of my fellow hobbiest's.I'm in. Money's too tight to just let someone take it like that. But they do it because no one does anything about it. Let's even some scores here. Let me know when it's time to execute the game plan.
Smokey1981
08-04-09, 16:27
I'm in. Money's too tight to just let someone take it like that. But they do it because no one does anything about it. Let's even some scores here. Let me know when it's time to execute the game plan.I just call her today I told her I was staying at the venetian. She ask for my name I gave her my fake name Rusty Mccrow, she say she was goin to be in the venetian in 1 hour. Hehehe by the way I'm at home watching Spoonge Bob.
Originally Posted by Trendz Tampa
So I am off to Vegas for Labor Day. Anyone per chance have any rec's for mongering there?
PM would greatly be appreciated!When you go to Vegas, the outcall ads are EVERYWHERE and the turnover rate is off the chart. You will see what I mean. But it starts with full-serivce bucks just to come to the room, and THEN the negotiation begins.
The strip clubs have a lot available, but same deal. The girls are totally into seeing how much $$ they can get for a little as possible.
The word "provider" should be banned from Vegas.
But a somewhat new thing has popped up. AFRs. Asian Foot Rubs. They wash your feet in warm/hot water and give you the best foot rub you have probably ever had. They may or may not do arms/hands/shoulders. Then a skilled HE (no roaming IME). If the tables and machines are not being kind to you, and the walking has been rough on your dogs, I recommend a good foot rub. There was a place near the Rio with HYDRO in the name. Sorry cannot remember exactly.
Enjoy your trip.
J
Just went on TER and noticed that they made the "performance" section of the reviews "VIP only". What a piece of shit that site is. Fuck TER, I'm never going on that site again.
Kitie Carson
09-05-09, 05:04
Just went on TER and noticed that they made the "performance" section of the reviews "VIP only". What a piece of shit that site is. Fuck TER, I'm never going on that site again.
thanks for the great intel?
Member #4434
09-10-09, 21:50
Just went on TER and noticed that they made the "performance" section of the reviews "VIP only". What a piece of shit that site is. Fuck TER, I'm never going on that site again.
I've posted on this a few times , on my local board, but since it's come up again, I thought I'd share with you guys.
I saw a provider last year , that was so bad , I just got up and left , half way thru the session . She wouldn't do what she was suppose to ( just basic FS, nothing kinky) ,she wouldn't give any partial refund, just wanted to finnish me off with a HE. I came home and checked , sure enough she was on TER. All her reviews were good, I posted my negative review to warn everybody else what might happen to them. It never showed up !!! After a week of checking back , and it not being there, I emailed them to find out why. They sent me a form-type response for me to fill out describing the incident , with details to prove it really happened !! I gave very very specific details , of the girl, incall location, phone number , the odd way their two call system worked. Alot more info than I really wanted to own up to , just incase it came into the wrong hands. They sent back another email , saying they were unable to determine if I had actually been there , and they wouldn't post a negative review without more substantial evidence !!!! I thought the whole thing was a joke !! What do they want , a video of the visit ??? I looked around and saw several other girls that I know from our board , to be either robs, or very lackluster at best, or bait and switch, none of them had bad reviews !! There were a few that were not as flattering as the others, but not a bad report at all. I haven't been back on the site since, and am weary of girls who use them as their sole reference.
I hated to ramble on so , but just wanted you guys to know . personally I only trust reviews from fellow mongers on this site !!!
So post the ripoff artist's name and number here and maybe LEO will read and bust her! ! !
At least you'll be giving the readers a heads up about her! ! ! !
Stay safe,
OG
I've posted on this a few times , on my local board, but since it's come up again, I thought I'd share with you guys.
I saw a provider last year , that was so bad , I just got up and left , half way thru the session . She wouldn't do what she was suppose to ( just basic FS, nothing kinky) ,she wouldn't give any partial refund, just wanted to finnish me off with a HE. I came home and checked , sure enough she was on TER. All her reviews were good, I posted my negative review to warn everybody else what might happen to them. It never showed up !!! After a week of checking back , and it not being there, I emailed them to find out why. They sent me a form-type response for me to fill out describing the incident , with details to prove it really happened !! I gave very very specific details , of the girl, incall location, phone number , the odd way their two call system worked. Alot more info than I really wanted to own up to , just incase it came into the wrong hands. They sent back another email , saying they were unable to determine if I had actually been there , and they wouldn't post a negative review without more substantial evidence !!!! I thought the whole thing was a joke !! What do they want , a video of the visit ??? I looked around and saw several other girls that I know from our board , to be either robs, or very lackluster at best, or bait and switch, none of them had bad reviews !! There were a few that were not as flattering as the others, but not a bad report at all. I haven't been back on the site since, and am weary of girls who use them as their sole reference.
I hated to ramble on so , but just wanted you guys to know . personally I only trust reviews from fellow mongers on this site !!!
So post the ripoff artist's name and number here and maybe LEO will read and bust her! ! !
At least you'll be giving the readers a heads up about her! ! ! !
Stay safe,
OGWhen a girl is ripping people off or worse she presents a big problem. People who get taken or even mugged get pissed and really bad, bad things can happen. I don't think people care much if there's nothing going on but rents getting paid and Johns leaving happy. But when it turns into a roll, violence can occur. LEO doesn't like that.
photo (attached) at least reasonably accurate?
NemoYes, she looks fairly similar. She is tall. Probably at least 5'10", beautiful and friendly. Lost $$$$$$ fellas. Big bummer! Ya live and learn.
I'm in. Money's too tight to just let someone take it like that. But they do it because no one does anything about it. Let's even some scores here. Let me know when it's time to execute the game plan.I would love to even some scores! I was beyond pissed.
We should play with her.
Lets call her and arrange a fake meet in any hotel hehehe...it would be funny to see her jumping from hotel to hotel XOXOXO FARRAH 702-609-0224That's Awesome!!.. I'm going to a new payphone everyday and doing that.
Thanks for the idea. It would be awesome if everyone chipped it, too! lol
Saw this woman about a year ago and I see that she's still advertising.
http://*******.com/nu5ze5
She is the woman in the pics but her service is not as advertised or as discussed when she arrived. I saw her at a strip hotel. The FS was restricted to one position, so that she could limit what I was doing and how deep I could go. She was trying to substitute her hand for another body part. Very rushed.
J
Cameltopian
09-26-09, 11:30
"Police arrest man accused of assaulting prostitutes"
Be careful out there.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/Police-arrest-man-accused-of-assaulting-prostitutes-61211227.html
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Whorehunter
10-10-09, 14:44
Went out yesterday picked up a BSW on Trop. Said her name was Wylynda; said she was moving to Oregon soon. She agreed for BJ for $40. While getting BJ she agreed to FS for $40 more. I told her I would go to the ATM afterwards and get the $40 she agreed to this.
When I get to the ATM, she tells me I took too long and she wanted an $200 total or she would call the police and say that I raped her. I tell her that wasn't the deal and that I won't pay. She starts yelling at me. I feel this is going to be a problem. I ended up giving her an extra $100 just to get her to shut the fuck up.
I had a few drinks and didn't want to deal with police. Otherwise I wouldn't have gave her shit. I am a good guy with no criminal record. What are the chances of her actually calling the police? What are the chances me getting into trouble over this? I would have felt real goofy having to explain myself being with a prostitute to a cop.
Any advice? What would you have done in this situation?
I just didn't want to end up like the guy in post #56.
Went out yesterday picked up a BSW on Trop. Said her name was Wylynda; said she was moving to Oregon soon. She agreed for BJ for $40. While getting BJ she agreed to FS for $40 more. I told her I would go to the ATM afterwards and get the $40 she agreed to this.
When I get to the ATM, she tells me I took too long and she wanted an $200 total or she would call the police and say that I raped her. I tell her that wasn't the deal and that I won't pay. She starts yelling at me. I feel this is going to be a problem. I ended up giving her an extra $100 just to get her to shut the fuck up.
I had a few drinks and didn't want to deal with police. Otherwise I wouldn't have gave her shit. I am a good guy with no criminal record. What are the chances of her actually calling the police? What are the chances me getting into trouble over this? I would have felt real goofy having to explain myself being with a prostitute to a cop.
Any advice? What would you have done in this situation?
I just didn't want to end up like the guy in post #56.I always have what i am going to spend with me. I never go to atm. To many things can happen when you get out of car or go to ATM like you just did. What if your being tailed by her pimp and get jumped at the ATM? I never ever go there.
If the deal was $40 or $80, that it, I wouldn't let her see my extra money, that way she knows (she thinks) that I don't have any more money!
On your case since you went to ATM, she knew that you could get more money!
Always be safe!
Went out yesterday picked up a BSW on Trop. Said her name was Wylynda; said she was moving to Oregon soon. She agreed for BJ for $40. While getting BJ she agreed to FS for $40 more. I told her I would go to the ATM afterwards and get the $40 she agreed to this.
When I get to the ATM, she tells me I took too long and she wanted an $200 total or she would call the police and say that I raped her. I tell her that wasn't the deal and that I won't pay. She starts yelling at me. I feel this is going to be a problem. I ended up giving her an extra $100 just to get her to shut the fuck up.
I had a few drinks and didn't want to deal with police. Otherwise I wouldn't have gave her shit. I am a good guy with no criminal record. What are the chances of her actually calling the police? What are the chances me getting into trouble over this? I would have felt real goofy having to explain myself being with a prostitute to a cop.
Any advice? What would you have done in this situation?
I just didn't want to end up like the guy in post #56.
Went out yesterday picked up a BSW on Trop. Said her name was Wylynda; said she was moving to Oregon soon. She agreed for BJ for $40. While getting BJ she agreed to FS for $40 more. I told her I would go to the ATM afterwards and get the $40 she agreed to this.
When I get to the ATM, she tells me I took too long and she wanted an $200 total or she would call the police and say that I raped her. I tell her that wasn't the deal and that I won't pay. She starts yelling at me. I feel this is going to be a problem. I ended up giving her an extra $100 just to get her to shut the fuck up.
I had a few drinks and didn't want to deal with police. Otherwise I wouldn't have gave her shit. I am a good guy with no criminal record. What are the chances of her actually calling the police? What are the chances me getting into trouble over this? I would have felt real goofy having to explain myself being with a prostitute to a cop.
Any advice? What would you have done in this situation?
I just didn't want to end up like the guy in post #56.
I would have called her bluff, picked up my cell phone and called the police (or maybe pretended to). I had one in my car once who wouldn't get out till I gave her money. I drove to the nearest McD, that happened to have a off duty policeman as security. I pulled in the parking lot and started blowig my horn. She got out real quick. Those ladies don't want any trouble. Who will the police believe: a SW with a reputation or the person that called the police?
Cameltopian
11-06-09, 17:12
Looks like another one got burnt:
LAS Vegas Taxi Scam Passion Massage Scam (LAS Vegas)
Date: 2009-11-06, 12:37AM PST
Reply to: see below
Taxi driver took me to a Passion Massage on Spring Mountain RD. Do not trust any taxi driver offer to take you to a massage place unless you know where you are going.
The massage place SCAMMED me over $400 massaging hands and ears and told me to pay more for VIP service and you are in controll.
I found these feedbacks from other people been scammed at the same location.
"Yes, they did it again to me and my friend. Don't trust any taxi driver in Las Vegas. They get paid to bring you there. $160 to massage your hands. Texi driver 17024819510. Do trust any taxi driver. "
by jonathan w
"a complete con. girls r ugly and fat mexican guy looks like hes gonna kill you if you question what ur paying for
by Johnny Vegas
"The place is a scam. $200 to get in $200 next room. Hand massage only. Passions in Las Vegas is a store front robbery"
by SCAM
It's a SCAM. THey tell you to pay up front and then go to the next room and ask you if you want the special service for another $200.00 but will never tell you what it is. Then they will bring you to another room and ask if you want to go to the bedroom for the VIP service. When you get there, nothing happens and they massage your feet, hands, and ears! THats it and then a fat mexican gangster escorts you out. "
* Location: LAS Vegas
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 1453719782http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/trv/1453719782.html
Vegas Black
11-08-09, 14:39
This article was in a recent Las Vegas Sun on 11-4-09.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/nov/04/their-valuables-gone-their-ladies-night/
Their valuables gone, like their ladies of the night
More than $2 million is likely be stolen in ’09 in ‘trick rolls’ in which a prostitute robs a client
By Abigail Goldman
Wednesday, Nov. 4, 2009 | 2 a.m.
Not even prostitution is immune to economics of supply, demand (12-14-2008)
Hawking erotic services? Craigslist now has your number (11-29-2008)
People in the company of Clark County prostitutes collectively reported having $1.4 million in cash and goods stolen from them during the first nine months of this year — dupes of a larceny genre better known to police as the “trick roll.”
By year’s end, it’s estimated the total reported losses will exceed $2 million — almost double last year’s total, and probably a fraction of the real amount.
How many people file police reports, after all, when their prostitutes disappoint?
Enough, at least, for Metro vice detectives to determine the problem is getting worse, and assign two detectives to trick roll investigations exclusively. They’ve gotten roughly one case every day this year. In 2007 it was more like one a week.
That increase could have something to do with the economy. Fewer tourists with less money means supply exceeds demand. Prices drop and competition ratchets up for prostitutes, many of whom police say must meet nightly quotas set by pimps. Metro Sgt. Donald Hoier, though, says the problem picked up before the economy fell, simply because Clark County was saturated with sex workers and outlets for illicit entertainment.
When everybody scrambles for the same pool of money, bad seeds take short cuts.
Consider the reported losses Hoier reads from a list of cases: $10,000 in cash, casino chips and a laptop; $30,000 in cash and chips; $20,000 Rolex; $6,000 Rolex; $5,000 cash; and — perhaps the most interesting, a case Hoier can only hint at — $175,000 in casino chips.
These are preposterous amounts, which is probably why they were reported in the first place.
Sometimes these are crimes of opportunity. A watch is left out, a laptop is folded in the corner.
But there are prostitutes for whom sex is only a pretext to theft, and others who have no intention of sleeping with their clients, Hoier said. They know how to exploit angles and mirrors to see safe codes being punched, while others, Hoier says, actually become good at identifying the tones assigned to each number on the key pads.
“While he’s in the shower,” Hoier says, “she’s taking everything.”
Drugs are slipped into drinks. Clients are escorted to ATMs for payment, only to find their cards have been stolen by someone who surreptitiously saw the pin number. Two women come to one room and run lewd tactical diversion.
But sometimes it’s just a matter of violence.
Prostitutes have pulled guns. Pimps, waiting nearby, Hoier says, have beaten people just shy of death.
All of this is easier to accomplish when the target fits a preferred profile: intoxicated and alone.
Susan Lopez, founder of the Las Vegas chapter of the Sex Workers Outreach Project, a national group dedicated to sex workers’ rights, said the economy is definitely a factor in the uptick.
“There are a lot of transient sex workers who come here because they think it’s going to be more profitable,” she said, adding that it’s widely felt that “most of the people who are committing these infractions are pimped women, and women who answer to somebody.”
Women who steal from their clients give a shamed industry a bad name, Lopez said, much to the frustration of local, independent sex workers who take their occupations, and reputations, seriously.
At the same time, however, “the girls kind of feel like it’s the guy’s own stupid fault — when desperate and drunk people get together, they don’t have a good time.”
For the record, Hoier says, trick rolls happen everywhere. High- and low-end casinos, on the street when a prostitute brings a client down a dark alley, and outside strip clubs, when dancers go home with clients.
In one case, a couple having an affair in Las Vegas hired a prostitute. The female client later realized her engagement ring, purchased by her fiancee back home, was stolen.
In a different case, a woman approached local men in nightclubs, spent weeks getting to know them (and the layouts of their homes), then drugged them before executing high-dollar burglaries.
There’s often a gap between the theft and the time it’s discovered, which complicates things for police. Even when clients realize right away, prostitutes have vanished down access stairs and out emergency exits, avoiding notice or handing the goods off to someone else.
Getting people to come forward is another problem. To this end, police carefully explain, misdemeanor crimes, like soliciting a prostitute, only lead to an arrest when they occur in the presence of police. Other trick rolls are never categorized as such, because johns hide their real relationships to the thieves.
When cases are opened, they often reveal other related crimes. Lately, for example, trick rolls are feeding identity theft. Other times, thieving prostitutes lead vice detectives back to violent pimps.
“It happens more than you’d probably think,” Hoier said. “A lot of women would rather steal from these guys than work as prostitutes.”
As a general rule- visitors to Vegas should avoid American massage parlors. Some of the asian ones might be ok- not sure, but the American ones are clip joints that will take you for alot of money upselling with no happy ending. When I was in town a cab driver tried getting me to go to one because they get kick backs- I politely told him no thanks. Luckily I found this board and researched some info ahead of time so I knew about it- -just wanted to inform others.
Chikan San
12-05-09, 12:55
http://www.eros-lasvegas.com/files/88944.htm
My friend called up this provider and was told that she offered 1hr GFE for $$$. She arrived after a couple of hours and was definitely not the girl in the pictures; though she was cute.
That was red flag #1.
They were about to get down to business when she told him the the $$$$ was just to get her to the room and that FS would be, get this crap, $1700 more. My friend was speechless at first but confirmed the asking price.
That was the full red alert, shields up signal.
Needless to say he told her to get out, but then she suddenly said she had a deal for $ more. He still should had said no but the little head got the better of him.
He said the service was decent and that she had a nice body. Standard CBJ and Mish, doggie etc.
Can't wait to hit the AMP's back home.
Stay away from this girl brothers!
http://www.Eros-lasvegas.com/files/88944.htm
My friend called up this provider and was told that she offered 1hr GFE for $$$. She arrived after a couple of hours and was definitely not the girl in the pictures; though she was cute.
That was red flag #1.
They were about to get down to business when she told him the the $$$$ was just to get her to the room and that FS would be, get this crap, $1700 more. My friend was speechless at first but confirmed the asking price.
That was the full red alert, shields up signal.
Needless to say he told her to get out, but then she suddenly said she had a deal for $ more. He still should had said no but the little head got the better of him.
He said the service was decent and that she had a nice body. Standard CBJ and Mish, doggie etc.
Can't wait to hit the AMP's back home.
Stay away from this girl brothers!Same pics for a ******** ad under name Jazmen Lee. Wanted to hit it about a year ago but started seeing same pic show up with different name. Sure sign it is an agency.
Member #4434
12-06-09, 22:22
Same pics for a ******** ad under name Jazmen Lee. Wanted to hit it about a year ago but started seeing same pic show up with different name. Sure sign it is an agency.
Boy I'm glad I saw this !!! I was just about to schedule with Jazmen Lee last time I was there . I did actually call her , I didn't get the " agency vibe " when I spoke with her , but the call was to check on the lead time she I needed to give her for an appointment . Found the Asian CG's , so didn't bother with a callback . I was holding the number for my next visit. Guess I can toss that one out !!
James Morris
12-07-09, 06:56
Boy I'm glad I saw this !!! I was just about to schedule with Jazmen Lee last time I was there . I did actually call her , I didn't get the " agency vibe " when I spoke with her , but the call was to check on the lead time she I needed to give her for an appointment . Found the Asian CG's , so didn't bother with a callback . I was holding the number for my next visit. Guess I can toss that one out !!IMHO, I would recommend staying away from agencies at all costs. I spent 5 years in Vegas (located to AZ) and have heard horror stories from friends. The problem associated with that is most CL, BP, or Eros ads are agencies. It can be rather hard to tell which ad is agency vs independant. Your better off walking the strip and casinos for girls than trying an add in LV and shorting yourself out of $$$$ for perhaps a hj or less.
IMHO, I would recommend staying away from agencies at all costs. I spent 5 years in Vegas (located to AZ) and have heard horror stories from friends. The problem associated with that is most CL, BP, or Eros ads are agencies. It can be rather hard to tell which ad is agency vs independant. Your better off walking the strip and casinos for girls than trying an add in LV and shorting yourself out of $$$$ for perhaps a HJ or less.What an understatement. My first Las Vegas experience occured earlier this year. It was also my first attempt at any sort of p4p. I sorely wish I had discovered this forum prior to that experience. I contacted two so-called Independents on eros. What a nightmare. Both looked only vaguely like their pic and am now certain they were NOT the person photographed. But they're close enough that you spend the entire encounter reaching that conclusion.
The first one, Britney, listed herself as 18 just a few months ago. I notice now she's listed as 21. That's a fast aging. We negotiated a FS price for all night. She arrived hours late and promised she would stay later in the morning but ended up leaving several hours early. She was paid VERY well for a 12 hour that turned into about 3-1/2 hours. She was anything but full service. Lesson learned- don't pay it all upfront for a full night. I don't mind smokers but she was filthy with the habit. Hygene was poor. I notice she now lists herself twice as "nicollette".
The next contact is now long gone and did almost nothing what she was paid for, leaving after only 20 minutes.
Eros is a complete ripoff. Its a scam.
Wow, thanks for the post. I've seen this one in a couple of online porn site movies. Thought I was going to get a chance at that, but I guess not now.
http://www.eros-lasvegas.com/files/88944.htm
My friend called up this provider and was told that she offered 1hr GFE for $$$. She arrived after a couple of hours and was definitely not the girl in the pictures; though she was cute.
That was red flag #1.
They were about to get down to business when she told him the the $$$$ was just to get her to the room and that FS would be, get this crap, $1700 more. My friend was speechless at first but confirmed the asking price.
That was the full red alert, shields up signal.
Needless to say he told her to get out, but then she suddenly said she had a deal for $ more. He still should had said no but the little head got the better of him.
He said the service was decent and that she had a nice body. Standard CBJ and Mish, doggie etc.
Can't wait to hit the AMP's back home.
Stay away from this girl brothers!
Member #4558
12-29-09, 18:48
IMHO, I would recommend staying away from agencies at all costs. I spent 5 years in Vegas (located to AZ) and have heard horror stories from friends. The problem associated with that is most CL, BP, or Eros ads are agencies. It can be rather hard to tell which ad is agency vs independant. Your better off walking the strip and casinos for girls than trying an add in LV and shorting yourself out of $$$$ for perhaps a hj or less.
I agree with this statement; avoid Vegas agencies. With one exception. I have used LV 100 Proof and saw Clover. She was just as promised, no games and no problems. Even got a call from the guy who runs the show after the fact asking how things went.
Friend of mine was brought to a clip joint in Vegas by a cab driver.
Every couple of months he has called the cabbie at odd hours and says, "I'm at xxxxxxxx hotel and need a ride to xxxxxxxx strip club".
When the cabbie calls to say "Where are you?" he replies, "I'll be there in 15 minutes."
Omgwtfbbq420
04-29-10, 04:15
I went to Vegas at 16. I looked old.
I never got carded, and had a terrific time.
I ask a cabbie on the strip to take me to a place where they have some working girls.
Cabbie asked me if I liked "massages"
I said "sure"
He says, "There is this hand and foot massage place, but the girls in there will give you a great time if you tip them right"
I go there $60 cover.
Ok.
I talk to a guy who helps bring a girl out, I talk to a couple, choose one. He gives me a story:
"Man this is the only way I get paid, its usually a $50 service fee"
I ask "Do I have to pay it? ". The guy didn't do a thing really. Just drinking hanging out.
He says "no. But its the only way I make money"
I was young and dumb so I pay him $50 because it was in my hand after the change I just got for the cover. (I threw in an extra $10 like an idiot)
So I get to the room its $100 for "nice" room otherwise I get a room with no flowers, and music, and bullshit. So I pay.
$200 in already.
Somehow I end up spending another $300 with the girl after she promises all sorts of craziness, and the money flies out of my pocket (keep in mind I'm a horny 16yr old) and she starts to rub on my knees, and starts to massage my feet.
I try and get her hands to fondle me a bit, but she resists.
RED FLAG.
She said " We don't do that here"
I talk to her, try and feel out the situation, but realize that I just got duped.
I am pissed, I end up getting a retarded, messy hand and foot massage for $500 fucking dollars and I leave.
Some kid pulls up in another cab, and I tell him "its a scam. They fucking stole my money" The bouncer rushed me out of there because he knew I was pissed, the guy was an intimidating motherfucker, and he had just thrown out some other guy prior to me DEMANDING sex, so I went fairly quietly.
Forgot the places name, but it was 10 minutes from the strip, probably shut down by now. This was years back.
Cameltopian
08-06-10, 23:10
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/24531162/detail.html
Arrest report:
http://www.fox5vegas.com/download/2010/0806/24543554.pdf
http://www.8newsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=12926389
SWAT Team and Vice Detectives Raid Businesses
LAS VEGAS -- As the sun was coming up Wednesday morning, Las Vegas Metro's SWAT Team targeted three businesses police believe are scamming customers out of money, using sex as a selling point.
Investigators say
Club Exclusive II
Entyce
and Sensations
are all running the same scam -- employees are fooling customers into thinking they can pay for sex.
"Certainly, the illusion of what they're going to get when they get here is no mistake, otherwise we wouldn't have hundreds of men coming to these establishments and leaving disgruntled that they didn't get what they thought they were coming here for," said Metro Vice Lt. Karen Hughes.
Club Exclusive II was Metro's first stop. As with all of the business, they are licensed in Clark County and are suppose to be a reflexology establishment, which is the practice of massaging hands, feet and earlobes. But Lt. Hughes says that was just part of what was going on inside. She says the female employees would lure customers into thinking more was in store if they paid up.
"They're getting upsold into other rooms in order to see those kinds of acts become fulfilled. Those things never happened," said Hughes.
Instead, after they pay, police say a security guard, sometimes armed, forces them out.
"The victims were defrauded, coerced, robbed, beaten," said Metro Sgt. Lenny Larusso.
As SWAT was pulling away from Club Exclusive II, the alleged operator showed up and was quickly taken into custody. The Secretary of State's website lists the owner as James Buford.
It was a similar story at both Entyce and Sensations. Police made approximately 20 arrests. The suspects could face several charges, including racketeering, coercion, robbery and fraud.
Metro not only picked up the alleged operators of these businesses, but also the female workers. They say they are also going to go after the cab drivers responsible for bringing potential victims to places like Sensations.
"We've had as many in an hour -- 10 to 15 cabs come to some of these places," said Sgt. Larusso.
"They are in cahoots with the cab drivers. The cab drivers are getting kickbacks to bring victims here, sometimes as high as $180 per client," said Lt. Hughes.
Metro says as many as 100 taxi drivers could be arrested and or lose their license. Those arrests are expected in the coming weeks. The Taxicab Authority has also been working closely with Metro for this investigation.
For now, police hope these businesses never get to open back up.
"These businesses are a sham. They are here to take money without offering any legitimate service and we're hoping that their licenses are revoked," said Hughes.
She usually posts on CL. These are her last two posts.
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cas/1919593322.html
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cas/1908521578.html
She won't mention cost until she gets to you. Made the mistake of leaving $ on my bed and she tried to leave saying that fs is more. I said I changed my mind and she pulled the disclaimer bs "it's for my time", but I could get CBJ for it. I went with the boring CBJ that she gave and I strongly recommend that you all pass on her. You will meet ROB.
In town for AVN. Called Kimmy off backpage early one morning.
Negotiated 200 and I specifically asked her if the 200 is "all-inclusive" to which she replied yes.
Met at my hotel, and put the 200 on the counter. Then she asks if I had money for a tip so she could "get more comfortable". I asked her what my 200 paid for, even though she said it was all inclusive. She said just a BJ and anything more would be extra.
It was frustrating that I was being upsold, so I told her to just give the BJ, after about 5 min of continuing to upsell, she finally started CBJ. After about 2 minutes (not exaggerating) she asked if I was ready to cum. I looked at her like she was an idiot and said no. She again tried to upsell, which began to really just piss me off and make it harder to relax. She asked if it would be better to have her finish me with her hand with no condom. I said,"whatever". Seriously, after about 10 strokes, she asked if I was ready to come. I told her to just forget it, I'm done, just get out.
Total ripoff, total upsell. Unfortunately, that's part of the risk in the hobby biz. Maybe I can help my fellow mongers avoid an upsell. Even If I did pay more, I got the feeling that the experience would have been rather lame. Avoid Kimmy:
Hi Guys,
My name is Kimmy. The sweet and sexy brunette you have been missing.
I am a sweet and classy girl with a bit of a wildside and curves in all the right places. Looking to have a little fun, so if you are also then I'm your girl!
Call Me.
*702*202*1291
P. S. The pictures look somewhat like her, but not really. She's latina, and heavier than in the pic. The pics may be her, but a few years old.
Cameltopian
01-11-11, 15:56
Unfortunate and typical lv scam.
After rtff consider google and tineye your friend or choose a well reviewed provider.
Blnt
In town for AVN. Called Kimmy off backpage early one morning.
Negotiated 200 and I specifically asked her if the 200 is "all-inclusive" to which she replied yes.
Met at my hotel, and put the 200 on the counter. Then she asks if I had money for a tip so she could "get more comfortable". I asked her what my 200 paid for, even though she said it was all inclusive. She said just a BJ and anything more would be extra.
It was frustrating that I was being upsold, so I told her to just give the BJ, after about 5 min of continuing to upsell, she finally started CBJ. After about 2 minutes (not exaggerating) she asked if I was ready to cum. I looked at her like she was an idiot and said no. She again tried to upsell, which began to really just piss me off and make it harder to relax. She asked if it would be better to have her finish me with her hand with no condom. I said,"whatever". Seriously, after about 10 strokes, she asked if I was ready to come. I told her to just forget it, I'm done, just get out.
Total ripoff, total upsell. Unfortunately, that's part of the risk in the hobby biz. Maybe I can help my fellow mongers avoid an upsell. Even If I did pay more, I got the feeling that the experience would have been rather lame. Avoid Kimmy:
Hi Guys,
My name is Kimmy. The sweet and sexy brunette you have been missing.
I am a sweet and classy girl with a bit of a wildside and curves in all the right places. Looking to have a little fun, so if you are also then I'm your girl!
Call Me.
*702*202*1291
P. S. The pictures look somewhat like her, but not really. She's latina, and heavier than in the pic. The pics may be her, but a few years old.
Dj Platinum
01-12-11, 07:20
In town for AVN. Called Kimmy off backpage early one morning.
Negotiated 200 and I specifically asked her if the 200 is "all-inclusive" to which she replied yes.
Met at my hotel, and put the 200 on the counter. Then she asks if I had money for a tip so she could "get more comfortable". I asked her what my 200 paid for, even though she said it was all inclusive. She said just a BJ and anything more would be extra.
It was frustrating that I was being upsold, so I told her to just give the BJ, after about 5 min of continuing to upsell, she finally started CBJ. After about 2 minutes (not exaggerating) she asked if I was ready to cum. I looked at her like she was an idiot and said no. She again tried to upsell, which began to really just piss me off and make it harder to relax. She asked if it would be better to have her finish me with her hand with no condom. I said,"whatever". Seriously, after about 10 strokes, she asked if I was ready to come. I told her to just forget it, I'm done, just get out.
Total ripoff, total upsell. Unfortunately, that's part of the risk in the hobby biz. Maybe I can help my fellow mongers avoid an upsell. Even If I did pay more, I got the feeling that the experience would have been rather lame. Avoid Kimmy:
Hi Guys,
My name is Kimmy. The sweet and sexy brunette you have been missing.
I am a sweet and classy girl with a bit of a wildside and curves in all the right places. Looking to have a little fun, so if you are also then I'm your girl!
Call Me.
*702*202*1291
P. S. The pictures look somewhat like her, but not really. She's latina, and heavier than in the pic. The pics may be her, but a few years old.I've seen her ad and good thing I didn't partake. Thanks for the warning.
DJP
Vbgent4u2c
01-12-11, 14:58
I've seen her ad and good thing I didn't partake. Thanks for the warning.
DJPSeems like this is happening a lot out there. A friend of mine visited over New Years said the same thing happened to him. $$ upfront then she changed into some lingerie and said anything else would be extra. FS anothe $$$.
All he got was a very expensive lap dance. For 3 songs! She was there less then 20 minutes.
When I come out there I will stay away from BP.
Atlasiangirth
01-12-11, 16:02
Seems like this is happening a lot out there. A friend of mine visited over New Years said the same thing happened to him. $$ upfront then she changed into some lingerie and said anything else would be extra. FS anothe $$$.
All he got was a very expensive lap dance. For 3 songs! She was there less then 20 minutes.
When I come out there I will stay away from BP. Can't you just tell the girl to take a hike if she tries to upsell? It seems that people are just allowing these hoes to walk all over them and making them pay. If she said $$ and then came back and said another $$$ for FS, I'd tell the ***** to get the fuck out.
Can't you just tell the girl to take a hike if she tries to upsell? It seems that people are just allowing these hoes to walk all over them and making them pay. If she said $$ and then came back and said another $$$ for FS, I'd tell the ***** to get the fuck out.That's the risk of the upsell. You have to put your money down on the table before ANYTHING is even discussed. I asked her before hand if 200 includes everything. She said yes. You give her the 200, and then she starts asking for a tip. What, am I going to wrestle her for the 200 out of her purse and tell her to get out? No, you've got to cut your losses and post on the forum to watch out for other hobbyists. I feel somewhat better knowing that I helped at least one person avoid the upsell, and I hurt her business just a tiny bit.
GrayTurner
01-17-11, 20:52
That's the risk of the upsell. You have to put your money down on the table before ANYTHING is even discussed. I asked her before hand if 200 includes everything. She said yes. You give her the 200, and then she starts asking for a tip. What, am I going to wrestle her for the 200 out of her purse and tell her to get out?If she is asking for a tip, that is not upselling. It is an upsell if she demands a tip for previously agreed services. Then yes you wrestle her for the $$ and throw her out.
I never put the money on the table until the rules are discussed. If she doesn't like it let her leave.
The best way to avoid all of this is research, research, research.
Dj Platinum
01-18-11, 04:17
That's the risk of the upsell. You have to put your money down on the table before ANYTHING is even discussed. I asked her before hand if 200 includes everything. She said yes. You give her the 200, and then she starts asking for a tip. What, am I going to wrestle her for the 200 out of her purse and tell her to get out? No, you've got to cut your losses and post on the forum to watch out for other hobbyists. I feel somewhat better knowing that I helped at least one person avoid the upsell, and I hurt her business just a tiny bit.You just had a bad provider. I had many providers don't even ask for $ until deed is done.
DJP
Vbgent4u2c
01-18-11, 11:07
If she is asking for a tip, that is not upselling. It is an upsell if she demands a tip for previously agreed services. Then yes you wrestle her for the $$ and throw her out.
I never put the money on the table until the rules are discussed. If she doesn't like it let her leave.
The best way to avoid all of this is research, research, research. I agree that you don't give her anything upfront. A legit provider won't ask for the fee upfront. Some won't even discuss it. If a provider walks in and demands the fee upfront that is not a good sign.
I also agree on researching the providers. Lots of good legit ones in Vegas.
I don't agree with trying to physically take money back. That could cause a lot more trouble than what its worth.
Atlasiangirth
01-18-11, 16:34
I agree that you don't give her anything upfront. A legit provider won't ask for the fee upfront. Some won't even discuss it. If a provider walks in and demands the fee upfront that is not a good sign.
I also agree on researching the providers. Lots of good legit ones in Vegas.
I don't agree with trying to physically take money back. That could cause a lot more trouble than what its worth. Wow, I'm glad you said that. That's how it's done in the ATL where you pay the provider after service is done and service is done after negotiations. I was feeling that it was a Vegas thing where you always have to pay upfront to a provider, then negotiate, and then service.
Atlasiangirth
Vbgent4u2c
01-18-11, 18:49
Wow, I'm glad you said that. That's how it's done in the ATL where you pay the provider after service is done and service is done after negotiations. I was feeling that it was a Vegas thing where you always have to pay upfront to a provider, then negotiate, and then service.
AtlasiangirthI saw two providers in Vegas this past weekend and neither one of them even mentioned the fee. If either one of them had asked for it up front I would have shown them the door.
Atlasiangirth
01-19-11, 10:13
I saw two providers in Vegas this past weekend and neither one of them even mentioned the fee. If either one of them had asked for it up front I would have shown them the door.You mind providing me the providers you encountered. You can PM me the info if you like.
Would appreciate it.
AtlasianGirth
Vbgent4u2c
01-20-11, 18:56
You mind providing me the providers you encountered. You can PM me the info if you like.
Would appreciate it.
AtlasianGirthJust check your local review boards.
Smokey1981
01-30-11, 19:46
I was reading this review in another forum, the dude bank wire 1, 000$ to a hooker and now he's shock that she didn't show up.
Here is the post:
This is a first review here and unfortunately not a positive one. I guess I am another statistics in the las vegas scams, figures for a guy who considers himself rather intelligent. I happened to see her ad on citivibe escort and was intrigued. However, I should have shied away due to the fact that she really does NOT have any reviews, but was lead to believe that she was the real deal. Another deterrent factor should have been the lack of communication, virtually non-existent. However, just like any other newbie that is naive or possibly stupid, I fell for her BS story that she moved and what not. Long story short I wired her $1000 in advanced, which was 50% of the agreed rate. I thought that she is a high class gal, therefore, you get what you pay for, WRONG!
All communication with her seized on the expected day, forget phone call, nothing! And of course was a no show!
I was reading this review in another forum, the dude bank wire 1, 000$ to a hooker and now he's shock that she didn't show up.
Here is the post:
This is a first review here and unfortunately not a positive one. I guess I am another statistics in the las vegas scams, figures for a guy who considers himself rather intelligent. I happened to see her ad on citivibe escort and was intrigued. However, I should have shied away due to the fact that she really does NOT have any reviews, but was lead to believe that she was the real deal. Another deterrent factor should have been the lack of communication, virtually non-existent. However, just like any other newbie that is naive or possibly stupid, I fell for her BS story that she moved and what not. Long story short I wired her $1000 in advanced, which was 50% of the agreed rate. I thought that she is a high class gal, therefore, you get what you pay for, WRONG!
All communication with her seized on the expected day, forget phone call, nothing! And of course was a no show!Its a good idea to meet the girl OUTSIDE your room, or in the lobby first, then make sure you are both on the same page. On the phone, when you first talk, good idea to demand a flat rate, ask about real pics, and a meeting in the lobby or outside. If they are evasive about a flat, all-inclusive rate, hang up. Also, ask if they have reviews, and READ them first. Thats all I know about it, maybe others have better ideas.
Its best to never pay upfront for anything in life before you get it.
Construction on house, auto repairs,"our hobby", groceries.
Always be warry about anyone who is evasive about questions both of you should know are key questions.
When a provider asks if you are a cop, that is a serious question. Never joke around or be avasive about saying no.
So in return the key questions to ask a provider should have the same zero evasiveness.
1k is a lot of coin to send to a complete stranger as a deposit. Never send money in advance.
Davidonecall
02-19-11, 04:05
I saw two providers in Vegas this past weekend and neither one of them even mentioned the fee. If either one of them had asked for it up front I would have shown them the door.That unique because 90% or more want the money or need to see the money upfront (putting the money at eye site).
I met the coldest chick I've ever encountered on BH, a few days ago. SHe is blonde, SW, with big cavities in her front teeth. She wanted $, so I agreed, and we went to her room, and lots of rules, no kissing, no DATY, no hugging even. She stripped, and just laid there. It was like having a mannequin there. She also told me to hurry up. Oh, well, at least she didn't do any trick-rolls on me.
I met the coldest chick I've ever encountered on BH, a few days ago. SHe is blonde, SW, with big cavities in her front teeth. She wanted $, so I agreed, and we went to her room, and lots of rules, no kissing, no DATY, no hugging even. She stripped, and just laid there. It was like having a mannequin there. She also told me to hurry up. Oh, well, at least she didn't do any trick-rolls on me.Does she have a tattoo of a Joker on her thigh?
Dj Platinum
02-22-11, 02:55
I agree that you don't give her anything upfront. A legit provider won't ask for the fee upfront. Some won't even discuss it. If a provider walks in and demands the fee upfront that is not a good sign.
I also agree on researching the providers. Lots of good legit ones in Vegas.
I don't agree with trying to physically take money back. That could cause a lot more trouble than what its worth.A legit provider won't ask for the fee upfront? What have you been smoking?
DJP
Dj Platinum
03-07-11, 05:43
Don't be fooled by this ad.
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Muah. GabbyDifferent girl will show up at your door in your dream.
DJP
Lahaina Boy
03-08-11, 15:14
I am in Vegas for vacation and thought I would have some fun. Texted this girl and we agreed on $ for some fun. She came over and is more than just a BBW. We are talking super fat with no tits. Anyway we finished and then she said "we have a problem" the cover came off when I was done. She argued I need to pay more cause of it and was going to make a scene in the hotel. Tried to get another. 8 gave her. 5 to shut her up and avoid a bad scene. Guys stay away! Phone #7027737839.
L 1 / A 2 / S 3.
http://lasvegas.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/i-can-beat-anyones-specials-gorgeous-bbw-23/4594125
Dj Platinum
03-09-11, 23:55
I am in Vegas for vacation and thought I would have some fun. Texted this girl and we agreed on $ for some fun. She came over and is more than just a BBW. We are talking super fat with no tits. Anyway we finished and then she said "we have a problem" the cover came off when I was done. She argued I need to pay more cause of it and was going to make a scene in the hotel. Tried to get another. 8 gave her. 5 to shut her up and avoid a bad scene. Guys stay away! Phone #7027737839.
L 1 / A 2 / S 3.
http://lasvegas.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/i-can-beat-anyones-specials-gorgeous-bbw-23/4594125I would have told her to F*ck off and never give her dime more than what was agreed. If there was a scene at the hotel, she risk getting busted by the hotel and never will be able return to that same hotel again. That was just a scam to get you to pay more. I know Maui has not many providers, so LV is a treat but try back in Honolulu, there are plenty of choices there.
DJP
Chica Chaser
03-10-11, 18:20
I am in Vegas for vacation and thought I would have some fun. Texted this girl and we agreed on $ for some fun. She came over and is more than just a BBW. We are talking super fat with no tits. Anyway we finished and then she said "we have a problem" the cover came off when I was done. She argued I need to pay more cause of it and was going to make a scene in the hotel. Tried to get another. 8 gave her. 5 to shut her up and avoid a bad scene. Guys stay away! Phone #7027737839.
L 1 / A 2 / S 3.
http://lasvegas.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/i-can-beat-anyones-specials-gorgeous-bbw-23/4594125
Welcome to Vegas, land of the scammers, ROB's, bait & switch artists. The rule of thumb is; stay off BP unless you can verify them on another site with reviews and posting history. There certainly plenty of legit ladies on BP but they are mixed in with all the BS'ers, I estimate that 60-70% of the BP ads are scammers. You have GOT to do your research when visiting Vegas, period!
Member #5481
03-14-11, 10:33
In town over the weekend with the boys and one of them was ripped off. He is not a rookie, but as he freely admitted the next day, made a lot of rookie mistakes while drunk. Most of the people on here would be too smart for this but for any newbies, here is how the scam went down.
He went to Cleopatra's Barge at Caesars late on Friday night. Started dancing with a couple of girls he thought were civilians. He ended up back in the room with one of them and was relaxing with her on the bed, smoking cigars, having a drink and starting to fool around when there was a knock on the door.
He answers the door and it is the girl's friend from the Barge. He let's her in and his girl explains to him that she is just checking on her to make sure she is okay. I know all you professionals know where this is heading. The girl sits down and her friend said she will leave soon and be patient.
The next thing he knows it is 10 in the morning, his cash (1, 300) is all gone, as well as his cigars and some other crap. They rifled through his golf bag and every drawer trying to find everything else.
Obviously his 2 biggest mistakes. 1 / As soon as you get to the room with any girl, pro or civilian, lock up all your valuables except for the cash you need for her if she is a pro. I always lock everything else in the safe before going out. His second mistake was not taking the drink with him when he went to answer the door as that is when he assumes it was drugged. Either don't drink in the room or 100% make sure it is never accessible to her.
Just a tale of caution to those who don't already know.
Wow, that's pretty slick. Thanks for the post. In a circumstance like that, I would have probably let my guard down too. Did he at least get lucky for $1300?
I have been socking away some cash for my trip and it makes me a little nervous carrying it with me. I won't carry it with me all the time because I tend to lose things when drinking. I am even concerned about leaving it in the room's safe. I worry that the hotel employee that is responsible for resetting the combination could be dishonest and be ripping off guests. It would be easy enough to do. I don't want to bank and withdrawal it because I may have some explaining to do when I get home. What does this wise forum think? Any suggestions?
In town over the weekend with the boys and one of them was ripped off. He is not a rookie, but as he freely admitted the next day, made a lot of rookie mistakes while drunk. Most of the people on here would be too smart for this but for any newbies, here is how the scam went down.
He went to Cleopatra's Barge at Caesars late on Friday night. Started dancing with a couple of girls he thought were civilians. He ended up back in the room with one of them and was relaxing with her on the bed, smoking cigars, having a drink and starting to fool around when there was a knock on the door.
He answers the door and it is the girl's friend from the Barge. He let's her in and his girl explains to him that she is just checking on her to make sure she is okay. I know all you professionals know where this is heading. The girl sits down and her friend said she will leave soon and be patient.
The next thing he knows it is 10 in the morning, his cash (1, 300) is all gone, as well as his cigars and some other crap. They rifled through his golf bag and every drawer trying to find everything else.
Obviously his 2 biggest mistakes. 1 / As soon as you get to the room with any girl, pro or civilian, lock up all your valuables except for the cash you need for her if she is a pro. I always lock everything else in the safe before going out. His second mistake was not taking the drink with him when he went to answer the door as that is when he assumes it was drugged. Either don't drink in the room or 100% make sure it is never accessible to her.
Just a tale of caution to those who don't already know.
Chica Chaser
03-15-11, 01:03
Most of the hotels have safe deposit boxes for guests valuables. They are down around the front desk, just let them know you need one when you check-in. You get a key for those if you don't trust the in room safe.
Dj Platinum
03-15-11, 01:05
Wow, that's pretty slick. Thanks for the post. In a circumstance like that, I would have probably let my guard down too. Did he at least get lucky for $1300?
I have been socking away some cash for my trip and it makes me a little nervous carrying it with me. I won't carry it with me all the time because I tend to lose things when drinking. I am even concerned about leaving it in the room's safe. I worry that the hotel employee that is responsible for resetting the combination could be dishonest and be ripping off guests. It would be easy enough to do. I don't want to bank and withdrawal it because I may have some explaining to do when I get home. What does this wise forum think? Any suggestions?I always think twice before I go for two girl dreams. If you bring them to your hotel, make sure you don't have any valuables laying around. That's easier said than done.
DJP
Member #5481
03-15-11, 10:06
Unfortunately, he did not even get lucky for the $1, 300.
Zappa, another option that I have used before for my cash was I gave it to the casino cashier and received a marker. Every time I sat down at a table, if needed, I would ask the pit boss for some cash. Just give him your ID and he has the record there and gives you the chips you need.
Good luck.
Member #4064
03-15-11, 17:14
I always think twice before I go for two girl dreams. If you bring them to your hotel, make sure you don't have any valuables laying around. That's easier said than done.
DJPI was in Vegas a few years back and being bored I stopped by the adult bookstore very late around 04:00 am Two hotties walked in and were being very friendly to the customers. You knew they were hookers but there was no mention of it. Well one thing let to another and before you knew it they were in my car. While in my car we talked but for some reason and I don't know why my big head was actually doing the thinking. I started thinking of the rip-off aspect of two versus one. They definately wanted to party at a hotel / motel room and both were fairly hot.
Long story short I could not stop thinking of being ripped off so I declined and offered to buy them breakfast. All in all I possibly missed some fun times but I left with all my money and wallet. I still think to this day if my decision was right or if I just missed out. Reading the recent report about losing $1,300 plus puts me at ease.
Dj Platinum
03-15-11, 17:37
Unfortunately, he did not even get lucky for the $1, 300.
Zappa, another option that I have used before for my cash was I gave it to the casino cashier and received a marker. Every time I sat down at a table, if needed, I would ask the pit boss for some cash. Just give him your I'd and he has the record there and gives you the chips you need.
Good luck. I don't know about giving it to the casino to hold on to your money. I probably blow it on a bet or two and eventually lose everything, that's what casino is betting on. But, I guess it's a thought. I rather put that money to work in my dreams.
DJP
Dj Platinum
03-16-11, 16:01
I was in Vegas a few years back and being bored I stopped by the adult bookstore very late around 04:00 am Two hotties walked in and were being very friendly to the customers. You knew they were hookers but there was no mention of it. Well one thing let to another and before you knew it they were in my car. While in my car we talked but for some reason and I don't know why my big head was actually doing the thinking. I started thinking of the rip-off aspect of two versus one. They definately wanted to party at a hotel / motel room and both were fairly hot.
Long story short I could not stop thinking of being ripped off so I declined and offered to buy them breakfast. All in all I possibly missed some fun times but I left with all my money and wallet. I still think to this day if my decision was right or if I just missed out. Reading the recent report about losing $1, 300 plus puts me at ease.Ever since I started two girl dream at Wild Horse in Reno (used to be Mustang Ranch) many years ago, I always try to have the two girl dream whenever I can. Beats me why, but once you are hooked on that dream, you'll just keep on dreaming. You have to take all the precautions to make sure you don't get played.
DJP
Dj Platinum
05-10-11, 15:56
I can't believe they are still using Lea's pic. I guess she is most popular. I would pay top dollars for her if she was real.
FOR SERIOUS & MATURE GENTLEMEN ONLY!
Hey fellas. I have a naturally seductive persona and everything about me is sexy captivating you to irresistable levels. You will feel very comfortble and satisfied in my company. *NO TEXT and NO BLOCKED CALLERS* just a screaming GOOD time! 100% ACCURATE RECENT VERY RECENT PHOTOS! Don't make me wait too long call NOW! SydneyDJP
She wants a tip up front, I thought a tip is something you earn. YMMV
Dj Platinum
07-05-11, 19:43
She wants a tip up front, I thought a tip is something you earn. YMMVWho is that?
DJP
Who is that?
DJPSummer, new in vegas
Dj Platinum
10-04-11, 05:41
She wants a tip up front, I thought a tip is something you earn. YMMVI agree, but I've given tips to regulars and new ones if they are above average up front, so I'll have extras and she can go to that extra mile for me.
DJP
Member #4558
12-02-11, 18:30
Once more, with feeling
Dj Platinum
12-15-11, 06:15
I'm real and just turned 18? The pics are fake and she sure didn't sounded like 18 to me.
It's all about passion.
DJP
PolygamyMonger
12-19-11, 18:14
Made contact with this ho during the summer.
Exchanged several emails and pics (attached) and made plans to meet.
Seemed like a true non-pro who just wanted to be fucked good.
Well, the ho disappeared and blew me off, instead of blowing me; (
Low and behold, we make contact again and she's in Vegas.
Thinking of a trip down there and she said she can't remember who I was.
Anyways, we chatted and again blew me off.
Lame, really lame.
Now for the best part, she texts the other day asking me for help.
We live nowhere near each other and I tell her that.
She still insists and says I could deposit funds into her bank or her pay pal accounts.
Offered to set her up with guys and she felt insulted.
Then she got mean and pretty much told me to fuck off.
This ho is a rip. All she is looking for is a sucker.
Who is that gullible? Well, don't fall for her scam.
Here to warn you:
Cute. 5'1, red hair. 27.
But will not play. Discard this ho as soon as contact is made.
Her email has "li'l red" in it and her phone's area code is 360.
Robert9850
12-21-11, 15:09
I can't believe they are still using Lea's pic. I guess she is most popular. I would pay top dollars for her if she was real.
DJPI don't post here very often but just a heads up that photo looks to me like its Alison Angel an internet porn star, I would assume that anybody using pics of her is fake.
I jumped in a cab going back to the casino after a good night at Spearmint Rhino and cabby asked if I wanted to have fun. I was boozed up so I said sure, long story short 200 dollars poorer and a lot smarter. Dropped me off at this little secure white bldg with cameras all over outside and was fenced. I was buzzed in and there was line up of girls so I picked a girl. There was some major upselling going on there. I left before wallet was even lighter that it already was. So beware of taxi cab drivers selling stuff like that. I believe I wouldn't have gotten what I wanted even if I did pay the outrageous price. I won 2300 right after that incident so I don't feel so bad.
I made plans in advance to see Kalani Leigh while in Vegas. Her photos and details on her website are professionally done and look great. Her reviews were good (with a YMMV) and she has worked in a brothel so I figured she wants to keep the $ she earns as a indy. Her pics are fairly accurate but her face is more worn and she has become "crack" skinny (go figure?). Well, she arrived and asked for the donation that I had sealed in a envelope and left the bathroom as requested. She goes in the bathroom to get ready and the next thing I see is her running towards the exit door trying to steal the donation to her college fund. Fortunately, I was able to recover the scholarship fund from her and sent her out the door. She even threatened to call the cops! To all hobbyist, be very careful with this little spinner.
I jumped in a cab going back to the casino after a good night at Spearmint Rhino and cabby asked if I wanted to have fun. I was boozed up so I said sure, long story short 200 dollars poorer and a lot smarter. Dropped me off at this little secure white bldg with cameras all over outside and was fenced. I was buzzed in and there was line up of girls so I picked a girl. There was some major upselling going on there. I left before wallet was even lighter that it already was. So beware of taxi cab drivers selling stuff like that. I believe I wouldn't have gotten what I wanted even if I did pay the outrageous price. I won 2300 right after that incident so I don't feel so bad.Really? In this day and age you fell for this? I don't know who coined the acronym RTFF, but you should RTFF. There are occasional posts about this every once in a while. Heck, there was even a LE arrest and shutdown of these upsell / rip-off joints in Vegas in the last couple of years, I remember seeing a news report on that. I have listened to ONE good piece of advice from a cabbie in Vegas, and that was when I got into his cab to go to Little Darlings and he told me Spearmint would be a better bet. Damn right he was. I believe there has also been the occasional bust of cabbies for receiving illegal tips from strip clubs and these other rip off places. Well, we all live and learn.
By the way, RTFF stands for Read The Fucking Forum.
Dj Platinum
04-30-12, 07:01
I made plans in advance to see Kalani Leigh while in Vegas. Her photos and details on her website are professionally done and look great. Her reviews were good (with a YMMV) and she has worked in a brothel so I figured she wants to keep the $ she earns as a indy. Her pics are fairly accurate but her face is more worn and she has become "crack" skinny (go figure?). Well, she arrived and asked for the donation that I had sealed in a envelope and left the bathroom as requested. She goes in the bathroom to get ready and the next thing I see is her running towards the exit door trying to steal the donation to her college fund. Fortunately, I was able to recover the scholarship fund from her and sent her out the door. She even threatened to call the cops! To all hobbyist, be very careful with this little spinner.That is a bummer. I had her about 3 years ago when she was here advertising heavily every day. She was always slim, but not as you describe. Her attitude was great and I remember pounding her pussie on her knees and staring at her tattoo above her ass until I bust my nut.
This is the pic that she used back then. She's at Battle Mountain way out in the boonies between Reno and Elko.
DJP
I don't post here very often but just a heads up that photo looks to me like its Alison Angel an internet porn star, I would assume that anybody using pics of her is fake.That's Alison Angel alright. Girl gave up solo posing and went to nursing school. Her pictures are starting to pop up more and more often across the country on BP and elsewhere. Don't be fooled, she's gone civilian.
BadPeter22
05-06-12, 00:42
Called for this ad today. She picks up and says 250 / hr FS. First of all, she was black, not latino. But since many advertisers do not use their real image, I let that go. Then she asked for money upfront. My mistake was to give it to her. Then she starts a dance, and after 15min, says that's it for the 250 and that more would have to be done through tips. She says to call the original phone to clarify things, and as I called, she left. Later realized that the phone was directed at her cell all the time, even as she made all the motions of answering a dispatcher.
Here's her image, memorize her looks, post it far and wide, and do not get scammed the same way.
http://i47.tinypic.com/2yov31w.png
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Which means you should stop your search because.
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CiceroGolden
05-06-12, 22:05
Called for this ad today. She picks up and says 250 / hr FS. First of all, she was black, not latino. But since many advertisers do not use their real image, I let that go. Then she asked for money upfront. My mistake was to give it to her. Then she starts a dance, and after 15min, says that's it for the 250 and that more would have to be done through tips. She says to call the original phone to clarify things, and as I called, she left. Later realized that the phone was directed at her cell all the time, even as she made all the motions of answering a dispatcher.
Here's her image, memorize her looks, post it far and wide, and do not get scammed the same way.
http://i47.tinypic.com/2yov31w.png
-backpage ad-When I read stories like this I have to wonder if this may happen to me. In this case, no. Google the phone number and you get the backpage ad that was posted. From there, google the image (BTW Google image search is WAY better than Tineye image search).
Google image says that the image belongs to an Angie Varona, the center of an internet controversy as she is an unwitting minor.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/angie-varona-14-year-unwillingly-internet-sex-symbol/story?id=14882768
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Mechan2000
05-06-12, 23:59
Not the girl in the pic. Upsell, little heavy, tats and piercings not good with me. Won't repeat, you shouldn't either.
http://lasvegas.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/big-fun-in-small-packages-theee-filipina-of-your-dreams-ready-to-go-real-pic-23/5131956
Not the girl in the pic. Heavy upsell. The pics on VP match a RB profile for Sadielicious, an escort from Cali who is in Vegas. Don't know if that Sadie is legit, but the one on VP is NOT.
http://www.verifiedplaymates.com/Las-Vegas_NV/escorts/9478_9472/---Real--Natural-fiesty-Brunette-Im-flexibleIll-show-you.html
This was the most unsatisifying experience in 40+ years in the hobby. The bait and switch was the least of it and I should have called BS right than and saved my money. Not only was the girl nearly unacceptable but the negotiated rate also was challenged. After a tense start it only got worse. Do not use this service unless you have money to burn and have no concern for quality. BP link http://lasvegas.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/can-you-feel-the-heat-sexy-asian-lina-4-out-call-only-24/7047353 And Phone #702-985-1996. I think they keep this hag in reserve for those that attempt to negotiate less than the asking donation. My bad. Don't make the same mistake. The best I can say is that she didn't rob me and I was able to get her out of the room in only 20 minutes. I can only hope karma settles the score!
Anyone have info on this one?
http://anchorage.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/valley-little-pleasure-30/2784555
MasterJedi
05-12-12, 06:08
Hooked up with Ebony spinner on BH. She wanted $.2 for FS, but wasn't about to have street H up charge from standard SW rate.
Got her down to 80. Once we got to the motel and after taking care of the business side of it, she started telling me I only have 10 minutes and it would cost me more. Dam, gave her. 2 more and did her for 15 min. Gave her a good massage on her tonsils and fast jack rabbit, jack hammer style pounding for 15 minutes. Right before I nutted, I pulled off the condom and shoot my load on her face / chest. Hahaha, got her. She was pissed, but sometime I can not control myself.
Chica Chaser
05-13-12, 07:11
Anyone have info on this one?
http://anchorage.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/valley-little-pleasure-30/2784555Anchorage? Thats in Alaska, not Vegas and about 3000 miles away.
Dynefreelance
06-07-12, 15:16
I couldn't get any action from a CG so I decided to try BP. Should have know better, but let my little head lead me astray on this one. Googled her number saw a lot of adds from different dates. Tineye didn't come back with anything on the photos. Called and she didn't want to discuss details over the phone. (Red flag 1) She shows up and its a bait and switch, but she looked close to the girl in the photo and had a better body so I let it slide. We discussed a half and half and she was cool with it, but (red flag 2) she said that she needs a good tip for that. Gave her $$ and then the upsell, wanted $$$$$$$$$$+ for the half and half we agreed on earlier, apparently the $$ before was for her agency. Finally the big head took over and I kicked her out of my room.
http://lasvegas.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/no-bs-midwest-farmers-daughter-sin-city-is-my-dream-come-true-i-love-what-i-do-100-real-23/4886004
Friendly and down to earth with the girl next door look! I'm GinGer. 100% the REAL DEAL. No bait and switch. The fun starts here!
200 roses = hourly.
No explicit q's on the phone pleeeease.
If its not me, its FREE! I'm in the strip area but I love locals too however, please understand, I must be a bit discriminative about the area I will go when you're in a residence as I am not so familiar with
Vegas yet!
Please call (no text) from an un-blocked #
7-0-2-8-1-8-2-6-1-9 GinGer
Poster's age: 23
Travelnman3
07-23-12, 16:16
CL-Mother and daughter duo. Offer everything and some guys busts in screaming at the daughter. Slum apartments on Fremont. They ask for 200 flowers
Mojo-Sara another one on Fremont. Read a pimp robs you with some kind of weapon (Review wasn't specific).
Stay safe
VegasGuy2012
08-10-12, 19:06
I couldn't get any action from a CG so I decided to try BP. Should have know better, but let my little head lead me astray on this one. Googled her number saw a lot of adds from different dates. Tineye didn't come back with anything on the photos. Called and she didn't want to discuss details over the phone. (Red flag 1) She shows up and its a bait and switch, but she looked close to the girl in the photo and had a better body so I let it slide. We discussed a half and half and she was cool with it, but (red flag 2) she said that she needs a good tip for that. Gave her $$ and then the upsell, wanted $$$$$$$$$$+ for the half and half we agreed on earlier, apparently the $$ before was for her agency. Finally the big head took over and I kicked her out of my room.
http://lasvegas.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/no-bs-midwest-farmers-daughter-sin-city-is-my-dream-come-true-i-love-what-i-do-100-real-23/4886004
Friendly and down to earth with the girl next door look! I'm GinGer. 100% the REAL DEAL. No bait and switch. The fun starts here!
200 roses = hourly.
No explicit q's on the phone pleeeease.
If its not me, its FREE! I'm in the strip area but I love locals too however, please understand, I must be a bit discriminative about the area I will go when you're in a residence as I am not so familiar with
Vegas yet!
Please call (no text) from an un-blocked #
7-0-2-8-1-8-2-6-1-9 GinGer
Poster's age: 23Same thing here, spent $300 and pretty much walked away with the feeling that I had just gotten taken. Everything was an upsell and definitely agency. Will not spend any more time with this one.
http://lasvegas.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/no-drama-blonde-midwest-farmers-daughter-the-fun-starts-here-23/4869039
http://7026969696.com/vegas-escorts/brunette-escorts/ginger
The latter site has a star rating system, I would recommend using it, looks like someone already rated her 3 stars
Craven Morhead
08-11-12, 14:42
This site might help fellas, and save somebody some money.
http://lvescortreview.com/index.html
Hello my name is Mariah702 a well established / well reviewed provider here in Las Vegas. I received a text by the number 4976624 setting up a appt. I agreed and since my building is controlled access you have to call me when you downstairs to let you up. Well I don't receive a call stating the client is downstairs but I get a knock at my door I did however give my apt number. Well two girls were at my door probably in the early twentys short asking for a michelle I quickly shut the door and they tryed to force it open trying to enter my apt. They continued to knock yelling they wanted to use my bathroom I quickly got dressed and yelled hold on I went back to my door and they were gone. I texted the number that made the appt with me and said I don't know who you are or what your plan was I quickly googled the number finding several Escort ads with different girls, I texted there phone saying I ran there number and that they were another provider. I got a text back saying they were going to steal my phone LOL and they knew where I lived. This has been reported to the police. And I am letting everyone know to be careful for these girls they obviously team up and try to rob providers / clients. Email me for more info I have descriptions ect.
Same thing here, spent $300 and pretty much walked away with the feeling that I had just gotten taken. Everything was an upsell and definitely agency. Will not spend any more time with this one.
http://lasvegas.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/no-drama-blonde-midwest-farmers-daughter-the-fun-starts-here-23/4869039
http://7026969696.com/vegas-escorts/brunette-escorts/ginger
The latter site has a star rating system, I would recommend using it, looks like someone already rated her 3 starsA little bit of homework would of saved you $$$ and a couple of hours of your time it's not hard.
This site might help fellas, and save somebody some money.
http://lvescortreview.com/index.htmlAnyone can list themselves as good or bad. If it was monitored then I might say yes but you are right something like this should be very useful T. E. R. Doesn't get much of the Vegas action with reviews. Not even TOB either.
This site might help fellas, and save somebody some money.
http://lvescortreview.com/index.htmlHi guys, I just wanted to let you know a little about LV Escort Review. My name is Mark and I am the creator of LV Escort Review. First, let me tell you that not just anyone can be listed on this site. I take the time to do all the "homework" that you should be doing to avoid getting ripped off. When I find a provider that fits my criteria for being listed, I send her an email inviting her to be listed. Some of the criteria, no upsells, real pictures, more than just a few reviews, and some kind of consistency in their ads (I mean that they've been around for more than a few months). I also receive requests through the website from providers who want to be listed. They must also go through my investigation. FYI, many providers that list on BP and Mojo end up on the bad list:
http://lvescortreview.com/worstvegasescorts.html
I have found a few jewels on BP and Mojo though. If I personally would not be comfortable calling a provider based on the information I found on her, she will not be listed. I have had the good fortune of never having been ripped off or arrested because I have always done my homework very well. So, all of that being said, the idea for this site came to me one day while doing a lot of homework. I thought, wish there was a site I could trust where all the homework was done for me. Now there is, guys.
Stay safe and happy hobbying.
Hi guys, I just wanted to let you know a little about LV Escort Review. My name is Mark and I am the creator of LV Escort Review. First, let me tell you that not just anyone can be listed on this site. I take the time to do all the "homework" that you should be doing to avoid getting ripped off. When I find a provider that fits my criteria for being listed, I send her an email inviting her to be listed. Some of the criteria, no upsells, real pictures, more than just a few reviews, and some kind of consistency in their ads (I mean that they've been around for more than a few months). I also receive requests through the website from providers who want to be listed. They must also go through my investigation. FYI, many providers that list on BP and Mojo end up on the bad list:
http://lvescortreview.com/worstvegasescorts.html
I have found a few jewels on BP and Mojo though. If I personally would not be comfortable calling a provider based on the information I found on her, she will not be listed. I have had the good fortune of never having been ripped off or arrested because I have always done my homework very well. So, all of that being said, the idea for this site came to me one day while doing a lot of homework. I thought, wish there was a site I could trust where all the homework was done for me. Now there is, guys.
Stay safe and happy hobbying.Not to sound rude but unless you are going out doing the homework and paying to see women then your site is no different then the other two I mentioned in my last two posts with so many phony, frivolous reviews out there, I would just not bother sure it may be good for a really good find or two good or otherwise, but for the most part yeah you can add your site as another homework site thanks.
CiceroGolden
08-12-12, 17:58
Hello my name is Mariah702 a well established / well reviewed provider here in Las Vegas. I received a text by the number 4976624 setting up a appt. I agreed and since my building is controlled access you have to call me when you downstairs to let you up. Well I don't receive a call stating the client is downstairs but I get a knock at my do.ere I lived. This has been reported to the police. And I am letting everyone know to be careful for these girls they obviously team up and try to rob providers / clients. Email me for more info I have descriptions ect.Thanks for the heads up Mariah. I searched 702-497-6624 and found at least three providers: Kelly, Veronica, and someone else. On many venues. Kelly is frequently on Mojo and I considered calling her. Seems like they are envious of your reputation.
SmileyScout
09-28-12, 14:55
I just got back from Vegas and this was the worst ripoff I've ever had by far.
It was Sunday night and a CG came up to me while I was sitting at the machines in Luxor near the walkway to Mandalay Place. She said her name was Angie, she's thin, on the tall side (probably 5'8" or 5'9") , shoulder-length black hair and tribal tattoos on both sides of her neck. She wanted $$$$$, we agreed on $.5. She was texting on her phone the entire time we walked back to the room and wouldn't talk to me at all (should have been a red flag).
We walked back to Mandalay Bay and when we got into to the room she immediately went into the bathroom and locked the door. I figured she was just cleaning up so I left her alone. It was about ten minutes before she came out again. The first thing she did was take a picture of me with her phone, then she said "Give me $$$$$ or I'll say you raped me." I had to prove to her that I didn't have that much (I had a little over $$). When I showed her how much I had she snatched the money out of my hand and ran out of the room.
I probably didn't handle it very well but what the hell was I supposed to do?
I just got back from Vegas and this was the worst ripoff I've ever had by far.
It was Sunday night and a CG came up to me while I was sitting at the machines in Luxor near the walkway to Mandalay Place. She said her name was Angie, she's thin, on the tall side (probably 5'8" or 5'9") , shoulder-length black hair and tribal tattoos on both sides of her neck. She wanted $$$$$, we agreed on $.5. She was texting on her phone the entire time we walked back to the room and wouldn't talk to me at all (should have been a red flag).
We walked back to Mandalay Bay and when we got into to the room she immediately went into the bathroom and locked the door. I figured she was just cleaning up so I left her alone. It was about ten minutes before she came out again. The first thing she did was take a picture of me with her phone, then she said "Give me $$$$$ or I'll say you raped me." I had to prove to her that I didn't have that much (I had a little over $$). When I showed her how much I had she snatched the money out of my hand and ran out of the room.
I probably didn't handle it very well but what the hell was I supposed to do?Trick rollers need to be turned in if possible. I feel your pain bro. You should of said go for it chances are she has a record.
Craven Morhead
09-28-12, 19:10
I just got back from Vegas and this was the worst ripoff I've ever had by far.
It was Sunday night and a CG came up to me while I was sitting at the machines in Luxor near the walkway to Mandalay Place. She said her name was Angie, she's thin, on the tall side (probably 5'8" or 5'9") , shoulder-length black hair and tribal tattoos on both sides of her neck. She wanted $$$$$, we agreed on $.5. She was texting on her phone the entire time we walked back to the room and wouldn't talk to me at all (should have been a red flag).
We walked back to Mandalay Bay and when we got into to the room she immediately went into the bathroom and locked the door. I figured she was just cleaning up so I left her alone. It was about ten minutes before she came out again. The first thing she did was take a picture of me with her phone, then she said "Give me $$$$$ or I'll say you raped me." I had to prove to her that I didn't have that much (I had a little over $$). When I showed her how much I had she snatched the money out of my hand and ran out of the room.
I probably didn't handle it very well but what the hell was I supposed to do?Let me guess, she was black? Tats on the neck are a red flag. Write it off as lesson in hobbying. Everybody gets burned in life, learn from this.
Let me guess, she was black? Tats on the neck are a red flag. Write it off as lesson in hobbying. Everybody gets burned in life, learn from this.I never trust a girl regardless of color that talks with a ghetto accent or has gangster or pimped out style tattoos. From my experiences those are the girls that are most likely try to hustle, upsell, rush, provide no GFE, or trick roll.
Let me guess, she was black? Tats on the neck are a red flag. Write it off as lesson in hobbying. Everybody gets burned in life, learn from this.Come on, now. WHY don't we ask for more information before speculating and jumping to conclusions. I have to thank the OP for posing this experience, hopefully we can all learn from it and not mock him. I would imagine stuff like this happens a lot. I recently watched the Trutv links that someone posted on the Vegas branch of this site, and the case where the Turkish tourists go after the CG who stole their camera was good to see.
My number 1 criteria for culling potential Vegas women is age. I try to stay away from anyone under 27, so I have to ask the OP what age she was?
Demoknitex
09-29-12, 09:39
Let me guess, she was black? Tats on the neck are a red flag. Write it off as lesson in hobbying. Everybody gets burned in life, learn from this.Because white or hispanic girls never trick roll. (eye roll) I've been tricked rolled twice, both by white chicks. And don't come back with the "per capita" excuse to rationalize your racism.
I just got back from Vegas and this was the worst ripoff I've ever had by far.
It was Sunday night and a CG came up to me while I was sitting at the machines in Luxor near the walkway to Mandalay Place. She said her name was Angie, she's thin, on the tall side (probably 5'8" or 5'9") , shoulder-length black hair and tribal tattoos on both sides of her neck. She wanted $$$$$, we agreed on $.5. She was texting on her phone the entire time we walked back to the room and wouldn't talk to me at all (should have been a red flag).
We walked back to Mandalay Bay and when we got into to the room she immediately went into the bathroom and locked the door. I figured she was just cleaning up so I left her alone. It was about ten minutes before she came out again. The first thing she did was take a picture of me with her phone, then she said "Give me $$$$$ or I'll say you raped me." I had to prove to her that I didn't have that much (I had a little over $$). When I showed her how much I had she snatched the money out of my hand and ran out of the room.
I probably didn't handle it very well but what the hell was I supposed to do?Not that I want to add to the racist theme that seems to be going on regarding Smiley's unfortunate experience but his experience is exactly why I only hobby with asian girls. But I don't trust any CG and would never bring back to my room. Not only are asian girls hotter than other girls but they aim to please also. Seems to be a cultural thing. When was the last time any of you had a black / white / hispanic girl give you a great massage right after you had a BBBJCIM? And that's why I love asian girls.
Craven Morhead
09-29-12, 10:33
Because white or hispanic girls never trick roll. (eye roll) I've been tricked rolled twice, both by white chicks. And don't come back with the "per capita" excuse to rationalize your racism.I have never seen a white, latin or asian chick with tats on her neck. (They probably exist, just never seen it yet). Oh and I've fucked plenty of black hookers, just try to stay away from the ghetto types.
Demoknitex
09-29-12, 12:05
I have never seen a white, latin or asian chick with tats on her neck. (They probably exist, just never seen it yet). Oh and I've fucked plenty of black hookers, just try to stay away from the ghetto types.Seriously? I've seen all kinds of people, males and females of all races usually under 40 with neck tattoos.
SmileyScout
09-29-12, 13:26
Let me guess, she was black? Tats on the neck are a red flag. Write it off as lesson in hobbying. Everybody gets burned in life, learn from this.She was white, and I only point that out so other mongers can avoid her. Girls of any race can trick roll just as easily.
My number 1 criteria for culling potential Vegas women is age. I try to stay away from anyone under 27, so I have to ask the OP what age she was?I didn't get her age, but I'm almost positive she was under 27. I guess I'll have to start culling the younger women too, although it seems like most of the CGs are in their 20's. Maybe I'll just avoid the CGs completely.
GentleJester
09-29-12, 23:13
I didn't get her age, but I'm almost positive she was under 27. I guess I'll have to start culling the younger women too, although it seems like most of the CGs are in their 20's. Maybe I'll just avoid the CGs completely.Age, race, tats. There's no telling who might try to scam you. Shit she could have just as easily pretended to be a civvie and done the same shit.
This is one of the risks in this hobby. CG's, SW's even Escorts (shit even the well reviewed ones) can rip you off. Accept it, or find a new hobby all together.
Now for future reference (I'll admit, this takes some balls) : Someone gives you shit like this, pick up the phone and dial security. Tell them someone is refusing to leave you room. 99% chance she'll bolt. 1% she doesn't, security will be on your side and extremely unlikely anything will happen but they escort her from the casino. She asked you to take her to your room for a drink and then she extorted you. That's the story ever time.
The texting would have been a big redflag, normally they are talking and laughing trying to make sure you don't get scared and back out.
Not that I want to add to the racist theme that seems to be going on regarding Smiley's unfortunate experience but his experience is exactly why I only hobby with asian girls. But I don't trust any CG and would never bring back to my room. Not only are asian girls hotter than other girls but they aim to please also. Seems to be a cultural thing. When was the last time any of you had a black / white / hispanic girl give you a great massage right after you had a BBBJCIM? And that's why I love asian girls.Or put your shoes and socks on for you?
I just got back from Vegas and this was the worst ripoff I've ever had by far.
It was Sunday night and a CG came up to me while I was sitting at the machines in Luxor near the walkway to Mandalay Place. She said her name was Angie, she's thin, on the tall side (probably 5'8" or 5'9") , shoulder-length black hair and tribal tattoos on both sides of her neck. She wanted $$$$$, we agreed on $.5. She was texting on her phone the entire time we walked back to the room and wouldn't talk to me at all (should have been a red flag).
We walked back to Mandalay Bay and when we got into to the room she immediately went into the bathroom and locked the door. I figured she was just cleaning up so I left her alone. It was about ten minutes before she came out again. The first thing she did was take a picture of me with her phone, then she said "Give me $$$$$ or I'll say you raped me." I had to prove to her that I didn't have that much (I had a little over $$). When I showed her how much I had she snatched the money out of my hand and ran out of the room.
I probably didn't handle it very well but what the hell was I supposed to do?Learn from the past. Every phone has a cam so use it in your defense and don't allow yourself to be bullied.
A quick call to security would have solved the problem and likely they could have reversed roles and bullied her to delete photo of you the 86'd her from all of their properties.
Seriously? I've seen all kinds of people, males and females of all races usually under 40 with neck tattoos.First off. If a dude has neck tats he's either stupid or a gang member. If a woman has neck tats, she's owned by a gang member. NEVER, NEVER monger with a chick with neck tats. Your going to get either rolled or shot.
First off. If a dude has neck tats he's either stupid or a gang member. If a woman has neck tats, she's owned by a gang member. NEVER, NEVER monger with a chick with neck tats. Your going to get either rolled or shot.I am happy to say that I have never had an issue with ladies with tats neck or otherwise. We all need to be careful but to say such a broad statement isn't fair. If you know of one in particular then by all means share the info.
Just my thoughts.
AngellaMasters
10-11-12, 11:16
Now I know someone will trounce me as I'm a provider and they always say we only post to scare guys away from CWs. I hear things a lot, but this was just 2 nights ago and take if as it's meant, precautionary. In Vegas there is work for everyone, I certainly do not care if guys pickup CWs, SWs whatever, but do be careful.
This report has been on several other boards:
"Everyone I don't have all details because my regular client does not want to say he is very embrassed and was hurt really bad!
A casino girl going by Diana blonde 5'9 average size working TI approached him and he thought she was very nice sexy and real. She told him even though he had a room, he needed to go to her incall. Basically he was jumped, beaten and robbed. Broken ribs and bones etc. Please warn guys don't go with casino girls.
I feel bad for him and he says he knew better!
Please let the big head do the thinking!"
There were also reports of the lady at the Wynn and Encore.
Be safe.
AM
Demoknitex
10-11-12, 13:07
Now I know someone will trounce me as I'm a provider and they always say we only post to scare guys away from CWs. I hear things a lot, but this was just 2 nights ago and take if as it's meant, precautionary. In Vegas there is work for everyone, I certainly do not care if guys pickup CWs, SWs whatever, but do be careful.
This report has been on several other boards:
"Everyone I don't have all details because my regular client does not want to say he is very embrassed and was hurt really bad!
A casino girl going by Diana blonde 5'9 average size working TI approached him and he thought she was very nice sexy and real. She told him even though he had a room, he needed to go to her incall. Basically he was jumped, beaten and robbed. Broken ribs and bones etc. Please warn guys don't go with casino girls.
I feel bad for him and he says he knew better!
Please let the big head do the thinking!"
There were also reports of the lady at the Wynn and Encore.
Be safe.
AMI wouldn't go so far as to say don't see CW, but I pretty much avoid incalls these days. It's always on my territory. They "probably" would not have tried to pull that off in a hotel in the resort corridor. Also, what would have happened if he was packing heat and just brandished?
I wouldn't go so far as to say don't see CW, but I pretty much avoid incalls these days. It's always on my territory. They "probably" would not have tried to pull that off in a hotel in the resort corridor. Also, what would have happened if he was packing heat and just brandished?It's important to do your homework, research or whatever I always do incall never outcall because it's my preference being streetsmart and having high common sense should keep you out of trouble plus being a younger guy people think 2x about messing with you b/c they see that they have easier pickings with the older guys. Just my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=AngellaMasters; 1567778]A casino girl going by Diana blonde 5'9 average size working TI approached him and he thought she was very nice sexy and real. She told him even though he had a room, he needed to go to her incall. Basically he was jumped, beaten and robbed. Broken ribs and bones etc. Please warn guys don't go with casino girls.
/QUOTE]This one is really way out there. I would probably not go back to a CG's place the very first time I see her. That said, I have been to a CG's house (She needed to let her dog out) , but that was on a repeat visit. The first time I met her we had done the deed in my hotel room. I called her on a return visit to Vegas, and that was when we went to her house and I was not mugged. She drove us to her place and drove me back to the casino.
I have also ridden in a different CG's car. We met at one hotel, and I was staying elsewhere, so I agreed to a ride in her car back to my hotel. I lived to tell. At no time did I feel threatened in the two different situations I described, but that is me. We should make our individual calls, but I do appreciate the ones who have shared their Vegas nightmares here.
GentleJester
10-12-12, 03:18
Now I know someone will trounce me as I'm a provider and they always say we only post to scare guys away from CWs. I hear things a lot, but this was just 2 nights ago and take if as it's meant, precautionary. In Vegas there is work for everyone, I certainly do not care if guys pickup CWs, SWs whatever, but do be careful.
This report has been on several other boards:
"Everyone I don't have all details because my regular client does not want to say he is very embrassed and was hurt really bad!
A casino girl going by Diana blonde 5'9 average size working TI approached him and he thought she was very nice sexy and real. She told him even though he had a room, he needed to go to her incall. Basically he was jumped, beaten and robbed. Broken ribs and bones etc. Please warn guys don't go with casino girls.
I feel bad for him and he says he knew better!
Please let the big head do the thinking!"
There were also reports of the lady at the Wynn and Encore.
Be safe.
AMSounds more like a "don't go to the home of random strangers, especially to conduct illegal business" situation than "don't go with casino girls". Frankly this warns me more off incall than anything else.
The beauty of CG's is that you control the environment and are located in a place where you are protected from shit like this.
The customer, if he exists, is an idiot.
Smokey1981
10-17-12, 21:24
http://classifieds.myredbook.com/AlluringAlexia/photos/421047
Gets you in her room then she have her pimp with a gun rob you.
Sadielicious
10-31-12, 03:11
I was messing around in the Internet and googled my name, sadielicious, and found it here in the ripoff section? Well I'm the sadie that moved from Cali to Vegas, and someone must have stolen my pics or something because not on vp, and all my pics on my red book are up to date. Just wanted to clear that up!
Thank you
This is hard to write. In fact, I wasn't going to do so, but after a couple of weeks of reflection decided that I owed it to others as a warning.
First of all, I have always read the forum thoroughly and consider myself a knowledgeable, careful, and intelligent monger; you might disagree with the last two descriptors after reading the following.
I was staying at a mid-level hotel / casino for a five day stretch, which I had hoped would include a little luck besides that at the tables. One afternoon I was going back to my room when by chance I got on an elevator with two AA stripper-like gals. One was about 30 and would rate a 5 on the stripper scale; the other seemed 20 and was a solid 9. Sure enough, they were strippers at SR and staying at the hotel, which was true since they showed a room card just like I did at the security desk. I was not at all planning on an encounter, but this was a 'target of opportunity, ' so to speak. Long story short, we agreed on $ for a couple of dances and a CBJ in my room. I indicated that I only wanted the 20 y / o, but the other insisted on coming along. I relented, something I'd never done before. Classic case of little head vs. big head.
I employed some caution by us all stripping down and I sitting in a chair next to a dresser, with my pants on the floor in sort of a triangle between my chair and the dresser. (I remembered reading about a monger who had his pants around his ankles during a BJ and getting pickpocketed during the deed. I was too smart for that!) They wanted the $ upfront, but I already had it out of my pants and placed it next to me on the dresser and said 'That's yours when we're done. '
When it was all over my wallet was emptied of $900, my entire bankroll for the week. I've replayed things a dozen times and all I can come up with is this scenario. The older one started the BJ and the younger one danced behind her and then to my side, but the opposite side of my pants. The younger one then took over, and the older one went to the bathroom, which I thought was odd but then I got a tad distracted by the younger one's skills. I'm sure that the older one came out of the bathroom, slithered along the wall (maybe even along the floor) , reached behind my chair, and emptied my wallet in seconds before putting it back in my pants pocket. All credit cards, license, etc, were still in the wallet.
We were done, they gave me their room number for future reference, and said our goodbyes. I cleaned up and got dressed. (I actually felt for my wallet right after the BJ, and it was there, so I was unconcerned.) For whatever reason, when I was ready to leave the room I opened my wallet and was shocked / sickened. I'm a person of modest means, so that $900 was a huge amount, and its loss ruined my week. I immediately went to the floor they were supposedly staying on to challenge them, but the room numbers didn't go as high as the one they had given me. Of course, I actually had no chance of success, since they had only my money in their possession, and they'd claim that it was theirs, that I had actually paid them 1000 rather than 100, or whatever. Calling security clearly would have gotten me nowhere, except for maybe getting them blackballed from the property. I was on the lookout for them in the casino for the next few days, but my challenging them would have been to no avail, and I knew that. I at least wanted to tell them that Karma would get them, but they would have simply said "Who the fuk is she"?
Never, ever deviate from the rules of mongering. My mistake of letting the second one in the room cost me big time. Also, I would never keep that kind of money on me for an encounter like this, but it wasn't a planned event; again, I paid the price for breaking one of the rules. These two were very good at being bad. I have experience, but they obviously have more, and now they have my money as well.
Thanks Robert, I am sure your report will help someone. I think most of us have let the little head do the thinking from time to time. Let's face it this hobby is frought with risks. I am sure you were aware of what could have happened but you decided to chance it and it didn't work out. Stories like yours are invaluable. Sorry for your misfortune. Hopefully, there is such a thing as Karma and they will pay for their despicable act.
This is hard to write. In fact, I wasn't going to do so, but after a couple of weeks of reflection decided that I owed it to others as a warning.
First of all, I have always read the forum thoroughly and consider myself a knowledgeable, careful, and intelligent monger; you might disagree with the last two descriptors after reading the following.
I was staying at a mid-level hotel / casino for a five day stretch, which I had hoped would include a little luck besides that at the tables. One afternoon I was going back to my room when by chance I got on an elevator with two AA stripper-like gals. One was about 30 and would rate a 5 on the stripper scale; the other seemed 20 and was a solid 9. Sure enough, they were strippers at SR and staying at the hotel, which was true since they showed a room card just like I did at the security desk. I was not at all planning on an encounter, but this was a 'target of opportunity, ' so to speak. Long story short, we agreed on $ for a couple of dances and a CBJ in my room. I indicated that I only wanted the 20 why / o, but the other insisted on coming along. I relented, something I'd never done before. Classic case of little head vs. Big head.
I employed some caution by us all stripping down and I sitting in a chair next to a dresser, with my pants on the floor in sort of a triangle between my chair and the dresser. (I remembered reading about a monger who had his pants around his ankles during a BJ and getting pickpocketed during the deed. I was too smart for that!) They wanted the $ upfront, but I already had it out of my pants and placed it next to me on the dresser and said 'That's yours when we're done. '
When it was all over my wallet was emptied of $900, my entire bankroll for the week. I've replayed things a dozen times and all I can come up with is this scenario. The older one started the BJ and the younger one danced behind her and then to my side, but the opposite side of my pants. The younger one then took over, and the older one went to the bathroom, which I thought was odd but then I got a tad distracted by the younger one's skills. I'm sure that the older one came out of the bathroom, slithered along the wall (maybe even along the floor) , reached behind my chair, and emptied my wallet in seconds before putting it back in my pants pocket. All credit cards, license, etc, were still in the wallet.
We were done, they gave me their room number for future reference, and said our goodbyes. I cleaned up and got dressed. (I actually felt for my wallet right after the BJ, and it was there, so I was unconcerned.) For whatever reason, when I was ready to leave the room I opened my wallet and was shocked / sickened. I'm a person of modest means, so that $900 was a huge amount, and its loss ruined my week. I immediately went to the floor they were supposedly staying on to challenge them, but the room numbers didn't go as high as the one they had given me. Of course, I actually had no chance of success, since they had only my money in their possession, and they'd claim that it was theirs, that I had actually paid them 1000 rather than 100, or whatever. Calling security clearly would have gotten me nowhere, except for maybe getting them blackballed from the property. I was on the lookout for them in the casino for the next few days, but my challenging them would have been to no avail, and I knew that. I at least wanted to tell them that Karma would get them, but they would have simply said "Who the fuk is she"?
Never, ever deviate from the rules of mongering. My mistake of letting the second one in the room cost me big time. Also, I would never keep that kind of money on me for an encounter like this, but it wasn't a planned event; again, I paid the price for breaking one of the rules. These two were very good at being bad. I have experience, but they obviously have more, and now they have my money as well.
Loverboy69
01-25-13, 20:42
That really does suck, but don't be so hard on yourself. At least you weren't arrested or hurt.
This is hard to write. In fact, I wasn't going to do so, but after a couple of weeks of reflection decided that I owed it to others as a warning.
First of all, I have always read the forum thoroughly and consider myself a knowledgeable, careful, and intelligent monger; you might disagree with the last two descriptors after reading the following.
I was staying at a mid-level hotel / casino for a five day stretch...
Craven Morhead
01-25-13, 20:42
This is hard to write. In fact, I wasn't going to do so, but after a couple of weeks of reflection decided that I owed it to others as a warning.
First of all, I have always read the forum thoroughly and consider myself a knowledgeable, careful, and intelligent monger; you might disagree with the last two descriptors after reading the following.
I was staying at a mid-level hotel / casino for a five day stretch, which I had hoped would include a little luck besides that at the tables. One afternoon I was going back to my room when by chance I got on an elevator with two AA stripper-like gals. One was about 30 and would rate a 5 on the stripper scale; the other seemed 20 and was a solid 9. Sure enough, they were strippers at SR and staying at the hotel, which was true since they showed a room card just like I did at the security desk. I was not at all planning on an encounter, but this was a 'target of opportunity, ' so to speak. Long story short, we agreed on $ for a couple of dances and a CBJ in my room. I indicated that I only wanted the 20 why / o, but the other insisted on coming along. I relented, something I'd never done before. Classic case of little head vs. Big head.
I employed some caution by us all stripping down and I sitting in a chair next to a dresser, with my pants on the floor in sort of a triangle between my chair and the dresser. (I remembered reading about a monger who had his pants around his ankles during a BJ and getting pickpocketed during the deed. I was too smart for that!) They wanted the $ upfront, but I already had it out of my pants and placed it next to me on the dresser and said 'That's yours when we're done. '
When it was all over my wallet was emptied of $900, my entire bankroll for the week. I've replayed things a dozen times and all I can come up with is this scenario. The older one started the BJ and the younger one danced behind her and then to my side, but the opposite side of my pants. The younger one then took over, and the older one went to the bathroom, which I thought was odd but then I got a tad distracted by the younger one's skills. I'm sure that the older one came out of the bathroom, slithered along the wall (maybe even along the floor) , reached behind my chair, and emptied my wallet in seconds before putting it back in my pants pocket. All credit cards, license, etc, were still in the wallet.
We were done, they gave me their room number for future reference, and said our goodbyes. I cleaned up and got dressed. (I actually felt for my wallet right after the BJ, and it was there, so I was unconcerned.) For whatever reason, when I was ready to leave the room I opened my wallet and was shocked / sickened. I'm a person of modest means, so that $900 was a huge amount, and its loss ruined my week. I immediately went to the floor they were supposedly staying on to challenge them, but the room numbers didn't go as high as the one they had given me. Of course, I actually had no chance of success, since they had only my money in their possession, and they'd claim that it was theirs, that I had actually paid them 1000 rather than 100, or whatever. Calling security clearly would have gotten me nowhere, except for maybe getting them blackballed from the property. I was on the lookout for them in the casino for the next few days, but my challenging them would have been to no avail, and I knew that. I at least wanted to tell them that Karma would get them, but they would have simply said "Who the fuk is she"?
Never, ever deviate from the rules of mongering. My mistake of letting the second one in the room cost me big time. Also, I would never keep that kind of money on me for an encounter like this, but it wasn't a planned event; again, I paid the price for breaking one of the rules. These two were very good at being bad. I have experience, but they obviously have more, and now they have my money as well.NEVER NEVER EVER take 2 girls to your room or in your car to do the deed. Pick the one you like and tell the other one to leave, if they won't split up move on. I always say I can barely satisfy one girl let alone two. My policy is only one with me at any time.
Tommy To Tone
01-26-13, 01:09
I'm headed to Vegas in the next 3 or 4 weeks and I needed to hear about your experience. I'm an east coast guy who moved to the pacific northwest last year and I'm making my first trip to Vegas. I've been away from the hobby since I left the east coast as the area I'm in doesn't lend itself to a lot of options for mongering. Once again as a friend that lived in Vegas told me more than once,"Everyone in this town is on the hustle!"
Stay safe,
Tommy.
This is hard to write. In fact, I wasn't going to do so, but after a couple of weeks of reflection decided that I owed it to others as a warning.
First of all, I have always read the forum thoroughly and consider myself a knowledgeable, careful, and intelligent monger; you might disagree with the last two descriptors after reading the following.
I was staying at a mid-level hotel / casino for a five day stretch, which I had hoped would include a little luck besides that at the tables. One afternoon I was going back to my room when by chance I got on an elevator with two AA stripper-like gals. One was about 30 and would rate a 5 on the stripper scale; the other seemed 20 and was a solid 9. Sure enough, they were strippers at SR and staying at the hotel, which was true since they showed a room card just like I did at the security desk. I was not at all planning on an encounter, but this was a 'target of opportunity, ' so to speak. Long story short, we agreed on $ for a couple of dances and a CBJ in my room. I indicated that I only wanted the 20 why / o, but the other insisted on coming along. I relented, something I'd never done before. Classic case of little head vs. Big head.
I employed some caution by us all stripping down and I sitting in a chair next to a dresser, with my pants on the floor in sort of a triangle between my chair and the dresser. (I remembered reading about a monger who had his pants around his ankles during a BJ and getting pickpocketed during the deed. I was too smart for that!) They wanted the $ upfront, but I already had it out of my pants and placed it next to me on the dresser and said 'That's yours when we're done. '
When it was all over my wallet was emptied of $900, my entire bankroll for the week. I've replayed things a dozen times and all I can come up with is this scenario. The older one started the BJ and the younger one danced behind her and then to my side, but the opposite side of my pants. The younger one then took over, and the older one went to the bathroom, which I thought was odd but then I got a tad distracted by the younger one's skills. I'm sure that the older one came out of the bathroom, slithered along the wall (maybe even along the floor) , reached behind my chair, and emptied my wallet in seconds before putting it back in my pants pocket. All credit cards, license, etc, were still in the wallet.
We were done, they gave me their room number for future reference, and said our goodbyes. I cleaned up and got dressed. (I actually felt for my wallet right after the BJ, and it was there, so I was unconcerned.) For whatever reason, when I was ready to leave the room I opened my wallet and was shocked / sickened. I'm a person of modest means, so that $900 was a huge amount, and its loss ruined my week. I immediately went to the floor they were supposedly staying on to challenge them, but the room numbers didn't go as high as the one they had given me. Of course, I actually had no chance of success, since they had only my money in their possession, and they'd claim that it was theirs, that I had actually paid them 1000 rather than 100, or whatever. Calling security clearly would have gotten me nowhere, except for maybe getting them blackballed from the property. I was on the lookout for them in the casino for the next few days, but my challenging them would have been to no avail, and I knew that. I at least wanted to tell them that Karma would get them, but they would have simply said "Who the fuk is she"?
Never, ever deviate from the rules of mongering. My mistake of letting the second one in the room cost me big time. Also, I would never keep that kind of money on me for an encounter like this, but it wasn't a planned event; again, I paid the price for breaking one of the rules. These two were very good at being bad. I have experience, but they obviously have more, and now they have my money as well.
[QUOTE=Robert387; 1661342]This is hard to write. In fact, I wasn't going to do so, but after a couple of weeks of reflection decided that I owed it to others as a warning.
First of all, I have always read the forum thoroughly and consider myself a knowledgeable, careful, and intelligent monger; you might disagree with the last two descriptors after reading the following.
Use them when you walk in, put your wallet, keys, money, phone etc in the safe, let them see you do it. If they comment, just say they look like good girls, but you have heard stories etc.
Just leave out the fee and enough for a small tip.
If you don't have a room safe, never invite to your room, ever- thats why they invented incalls and AMP's.
NEVER NEVER EVER take 2 girls to your room or in your car to do the deed. Pick the one you like and tell the other one to leave, if they won't split up move on. I always say I can barely satisfy one girl let alone two. My policy is only one with me at any time.Thanks for sharing this with others here. I echo the statement above. I did have an experience where I repeatedly turned down the offer from 2 CGs, and the one I ended up going to my room with gave me probably my worst experience in Vegas. Anyway, we all live and learn.
NEVER NEVER EVER take 2 girls to your room or in your car to do the deed. Pick the one you like and tell the other one to leave, if they won't split up move on. I always say I can barely satisfy one girl let alone two. My policy is only one with me at any time.Half the girls on the strip are "trick roll" girls. Especially the young ones, and almost always when in pairs.
Vbgent4u2c
01-26-13, 14:55
NEVER NEVER EVER take 2 girls to your room or in your car to do the deed. Pick the one you like and tell the other one to leave, if they won't split up move on. I always say I can barely satisfy one girl let alone two. My policy is only one with me at any time.I agree with Craven. 2 ladies just seems to complicate things. Especially if you don't know them at all. Ends up taking a lot of the fun out of it.
Thanks for sharing. Everyone has been ripped off at some point. I belong to the "once bitten twice shy club" and it will never happen to me again. If they don't comply with my rules. They walk. It is really that simple. There always seems to be another lady right around the corner especially in LV!
Amberman80
01-26-13, 15:18
Thanks for the heads-up and sharing just how crazy it can be. During a late night walk through, I came across two girls. Conversation revealed that they were just hanging out while their boyfriends or pimps played blackjack. Apparently, they were not old enough to play. I invited one to my hotel and gave her my number. She called shortly to give me her rate. Very reasonable, so I agreed. She then asked if her girlfriend could come. I said no, just you. I decided to wait for her outside. Not only was she in route with her girlfriend, but also her boyfriend / pimp. I called and cancelled before they could cross the street. This insight from this forum helped me to make that decision. I am a big guy and don't scare easily.
A guy on Mojo just posted an ALERT on this girl named Ashley staying at the Motel next to Boulder Station. He was trick rolled by her and her pimp. Went to her room. Gave her the money up front. A minute later her pimp comes in the room and tells the guy to get out. Picture of her attached below.
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DeadIsland
01-31-13, 11:47
A guy on Mojo just posted an ALERT on this girl named Ashley staying at the Motel next to Boulder Station. He was trick rolled by her and her pimp. Went to her room. Gave her the money up front. A minute later her pimp comes in the room and tells the guy to get out. Picture of her attached below.
227775Way to look out for the fellas. Keep up good work Zim.
Saw this on Mojo. This is prob the same Ashley or a crew (diffrent pic). It's the same MO. Probably a pimp and his gang. Here is the last four of the phone number for this Ashley: 4267. I don't know if I can post the whole phone number.
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