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Rejected Monke
01-10-08, 17:55
I have made this point before. When I started in the spa scene AMP prices were what they are today but I saw some escorts in the $175 - 220 range. I think you get the picture. Plus if these girls are sending money back home it may be worth even less due to exchange rates.


Oh and to expand on this point, I heard the mighty US dollar has fallen incredibly so the exchange rate sucks ass. Apparently it rose a bit (though not to pre-2006 levels) so everyone is trying to send money back to Korea... Except they can't make any money.

You think I'm joking, but see this graph:

http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=USD&to=KRW&amt=1&t=5y

That's just the exchange rate. Meanwhile, check out this calculator from our own federal government:

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

$100 in 2000 is = $122.05 in 2007 (which is not far off from the $20 extra I suggested).

During the past decade, the price in DC has continued to remain $60 + $100.

It's pretty easy to see why all the hot girls have abandoned DC when they could be earning $120 or more for doing the same amount of work elsewhere, or in some cases, less.

Pheonixzero13
01-10-08, 21:02
I think that there's no way that any man will pay any girl $250 and up for their "package", it's just outrageous. There's no way that I'm paying any girl whether she's Asian or not, that type of money for just 1 hour of pussy, I find that to be ludicrous and insane. I saw the 2 girls from your post Jack B (Rie And Christine), and when I saw their prices, I thought to myself " These girls must be smoking weed or something, who and what do they think they are? ". I totally agree with Sleazebum, these girls are asking for too much money, what type of insurance can any customer get that these girls would actually treat them right for that hefty amount of cash? . Why do you think that the AMP's in California have comepletely died out? , because no man is willing to pay that outrageous amount of cash for just one hour with a girl, NO MAN WILL DO IT, NOT ONE! I am sure you guys work very hard for your money, and I am also sure that you guys value the hard effort you all put in your work everyday, would you give any girl (Asian or not) that type of cash? When you are not even sure if she will take care of you properly? . I'm sure you guys wouldn't throw your hard earned money down the toilet now would you? . Thinking about it after a while, I think the AMP girls might give up and actually come back to D. C when they realize that thair attempts to get rich quick from men are futile.

There's one thing that you said Jack B that I trully agree on.

If you find a good AMP thats willing to really pamper and take care of you, try to tip her extra, If she gives you exceptional service tip her good by all means. But I think if they give you standard or below average service, they will have to settle for $160. It's either that or nothing at all. They want more money, they have to work for it.

Oh, By the way, I appreciate your reply Jack! :.D.

USMC "Semper Fi"

Pheonixzero13

Member #4338
01-10-08, 21:04
Gentlemen:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We pay what the AMPs charge and for now that is what it has been for a while. I don't think that if we unilaterally offer to pay more that the overall quality of the girls will improve. Going to the AMPs has always been a hit and miss proposition. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose...even with the same girl. Classic case of YMMV.

Peace and love,

Lax

Sleazebum
01-10-08, 21:10
That is all.

JJ


Sleazebum, I love you man. Seriously.

You are the first person who reported on Sue at Sakura. And you are the one who provided me with intelligence, even though I was a newbie.

With that said, I have to disagree with your entire post. Do you think girls have nowhere else to go but DC so if we just stick to our guns, they'll surrender? There are hot girls in Atlanta. Hot girls in New York. In California. In Florida. But why don't they come to DC anymore? And when they do, why do they leave so soon?

You are being way too paranoid about "keeping prices down" and this is why we are left with either:

1. Mostly average Korean girls in DC.
2. REALLY (and by really, I mean REALLY) ugly and old Chinese condo girls.

You may be satisfied with the Chinese condo judging from your reports, but for the rest of us, that place is a complete dump, and you're still paying $160 (or is it $180 as Low Jack reports?). If we're supposed to be paying $160 for hot Korean girls, the Chinese condo should be charging $40.

Meanwhile, just because some of us are willing to pay an extra $20 for a hot girl doesn't mean we're looking to pay $2000 for a porn star.

Pheonixzero13
01-10-08, 21:17
I'm sorry , I was referring to Rejected Monke regarding the Rie and Christine post .

Sorry my mistake.

Drew Park
01-10-08, 21:47
Do you guys have first hand knowledge of Busty Rie's exploits? For that matter, does anybody else have the details. My T_R membership ran out and I cannot see the details on the reports...If so, I'd like them by PM please. She looks like someone from an agency that I could never get through their screening process (not Sky).

Van - If I am correct she is handled by the same concierge as Diane, Christine, and Ami. Screening isn't all intrusive at all. I'll get you the details, pal... but if I recall they weren't all that impressive. PM me an email address.

Drew

Drew Park
01-10-08, 21:56
You may be satisfied with the Chinese condo judging from your reports, but for the rest of us, that place is a complete dump, and you're still paying $160 (or is it $180 as Low Jack reports?). If we're supposed to be paying $160 for hot Korean girls, the Chinese condo should be charging $40.

I'm not sure anyone is "satisfied" with the Chinese Condo but when you look at the NOVA alternatives it is probably better than most. The girls are accomodating, it is more reliable than trolling Craigslist, it is convenient and saves us NOVA residents a commute to the District, and it is significantly less expensive than other Asian entertainment. You cannot touch any other girl for less than $250 now and that does not necessarily guarantee you anything more than one pop.

In any event, the place gets the job done, right JJ, right LJ?

LexLuther
01-10-08, 22:01
Gentlemen:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We pay what the AMPs charge and for now that is what it has been for a while. I don't think that if we unilaterally offer to pay more that the overall quality of the girls will improve. Going to the AMPs has always been a hit and miss proposition. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose...even with the same girl. Classic case of YMMV.

Peace and love,

Lax

Amen Laxman#2! The unfortunate truth is that as the federal government cracks down on the industry around the country, it's going to remain risky to be in the business and risky to patronize it. Look at any big city such as Atlanta, Raleigh, D.C., New York, etc. and you will see that the history of the AMPs in these cities has been an up and down affair.

Atlanta is probably one of the best examples though. Atlanta used to have AMPs on every corner, all competing for your dollars and some staying open 24/7. One by one, the various counties that make up metro Atlanta began cracking down until now there are very few in general and far fewer "good" ones.

Honolulu is today what Atlanta was five years ago in terms of AMPs. The authorities in the City and County of Honolulu realize all too well how much their municipalities depend upon tourism, particularly from Asia and have yet to crack down seriously. So as long as the AMPs stay under the radar and are not overtly obvious to the casual eye, they stay open to practice the world's oldest profession. Those who have been there will attest that there is at least one high rise in HNL which seems to have an AMP on almost every floor.

The labor and capital in the AMP industry are both highly mobile. When things become too challenging in one city, they are quick to move to other ones. As they abandon a given city, the prices are bound to go up and the quality equally bound to go down. Market principles will dictate what they can and do charge. A particular customer and his spending at a particular AMP will have little effect on this.

I'm not a big fan of posting what you spend or get at a particular AMP. To me, learning this for yourself is part of the adventure and fun of the hobby. And I sure as hell am not interested in what turns some other hobbyist on (sorry Laxman #2, but I'm referring to your post of 12/8/08).

LexLuther

Member #4338
01-10-08, 22:41
Amen Laxman#2! The unfortunate truth is that as the federal government cracks down on the industry around the country, it's going to remain risky to be in the business and risky to patronize it. Look at any big city such as Atlanta, Raleigh, D.C., New York, etc. and you will see that the history of the AMPs in these cities has been an up and down affair.

Atlanta is probably one of the best examples though. Atlanta used to have AMPs on every corner, all competing for your dollars and some staying open 24/7. One by one, the various counties that make up metro Atlanta began cracking down until now there are very few in general and far fewer "good" ones.

Honolulu is today what Atlanta was five years ago in terms of AMPs. The authorities in the City and County of Honolulu realize all too well how much their municipalities depend upon tourism, particularly from Asia and have yet to crack down seriously. So as long as the AMPs stay under the radar and are not overtly obvious to the casual eye, they stay open to practice the world's oldest profession. Those who have been there will attest that there is at least one high rise in HNL which seems to have an AMP on almost every floor.

The labor and capital in the AMP industry are both highly mobile. When things become too challenging in one city, they are quick to move to other ones. As they abandon a given city, the prices are bound to go up and the quality equally bound to go down. Market principles will dictate what they can and do charge. A particular customer and his spending at a particular AMP will have little effect on this.

I'm not a big fan of posting what you spend or get at a particular AMP. To me, learning this for yourself is part of the adventure and fun of the hobby. And I sure as hell am not interested in what turns some other hobbyist on (sorry Laxman #2, but I'm referring to your post of 12/8/08).

LexLuther

Lex:

Unsure what 12/8/08 you are refering to. I was under the impression that this forum was to share intel about our experiences in having sex with women. Implicit in that is what turns us on, and what does not.

Lax

LexLuther
01-10-08, 22:57
The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.

That is quoted from the forum's FAQ page. But I don't see what that has to do with you telling me what turns you on. On the other hand, you are apparently not interested in discussing philosophical issues concerning the sex trade. That's what makes a horse race I guess. Just thought this was something worth pointing out to you.

LexLuther

Big Daddy Don
01-10-08, 22:58
Well for once I have to agree with Sleazebum!! Don't kid yourselves into believing that more money will improve the girls. Hell, some of the real 20 something spinners that have been around don't stack up to the performance of the more experienced women. Like any profession, you choose standard of living not just pay. If the job sucks you will look for another no matter what you get paid. The reason for the lack of superior quality is the pressure here from LE. Perhaps you don't have to deal with it as much in other areas. As for price... For those of you who may indulge in other illicit activities, compare it to buying pot. There is a pretty set price among who you deal with. Sometimes it is great stuff. Sometimes it is not. No matter how much money you have at the time if better is not around it just isn't and you buy anyway.

Think about it, .6 house fee aside, 1.0 for in reality about 45 minutes of time. How many of us make $2.22 a minute? It's not a bad deal for them. On the job training. No student loans. No background checks to pass. Sure they paid and struggled to get out of the third world sh**hole they came from. They would have done that without the industry anyway.

Don't inflate prices with the thought that you will be better off for it. Don't do it out of feeling sorry either. If you do you are a sucker.

Big Daddy Don
01-10-08, 22:59
On the lighter side.. Thought this was good...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080109/od_nm/brothel_dc_1

Pheonixzero13
01-11-08, 00:16
Well for once I have to agree with Sleazebum!! Don't kid yourselves into believing that more money will improve the girls. Hell, some of the real 20 something spinners that have been around don't stack up to the performance of the more experienced women. Like any profession, you choose standard of living not just pay. If the job sucks you will look for another no matter what you get paid. The reason for the lack of superior quality is the pressure here from LE. Perhaps you don't have to deal with it as much in other areas. As for price... For those of you who may indulge in other illicit activities, compare it to buying pot. There is a pretty set price among who you deal with. Sometimes it is great stuff. Sometimes it is not. No matter how much money you have at the time if better is not around it just isn't and you buy anyway.

Think about it, .6 house fee aside, 1.0 for in reality about 45 minutes of time. How many of us make $2.22 a minute? It's not a bad deal for them. On the job training. No student loans. No background checks to pass. Sure they paid and struggled to get out of the third world sh**hole they came from. They would have done that without the industry anyway.

Don't inflate prices with the thought that you will be better off for it. Don't do it out of feeling sorry either. If you do you are a sucker.Couldn't have said it better myself .

Pablo
01-11-08, 00:24
I'm from Cali and had the opportunity to walk the cold wet streets of DC tonight. Thanks for all the great info. I come here about once a year for business and usually managed to hit D'town, so I was bummed when I read it was gone.

So using the info, I decided to try to have a surpa night and headed there about 8. All went well, mama let me in and was all smiles. I paid the house fee and waited, not knowing if I was going to get one or a line-up. 2 minutes later, in walks Umi, an attractive enough K-girl of indeterminate age. I'll guess 30s based more on body?

Anyway, it was off to the TS which is something I love about DC AMPs. After walking out in the cold, the feeling with the hot water and her warm hands was great. Not to mention her attention to all the key areas.

Back to the room and an OK massagi to start (maybe a 6), but the breasts on my back (she had really nice Bs) was great. Her nips were poking out of her too small top during the TS which was a real turn on. Then she started some small kisses that eventually culminated in my favorite of all, that special "asian" attention. For me, better than a CBJ, which followed after about 3 minutes of bliss.

After a few minutes of that, I had her pivot and we 69'ed for a bit before I laid her down for my undivided attention. I'm quite sure she faked the O so we get to the deed which we did, first mish them finish in CG.

After that, the obligatory warm cloth and more massage on my back which was sweet. She was super sweet afterwards, I think in part because I did like her and found her attractive and tried to be a nice guy.

All in all, it was a well above average experience. It wasn't really rushed, and she did have rules: no DFK, no fingers, and no licking breasts which sucked. She said she was sore. She did allow me to gently touch and cup them.

I'd give it straight sevens, but the asian made it all worth it for me. Maybe I'm grading hard, i don't know. I don't have enough DC experiences to compare, just Honolulu and Thailand.

So thanks for the help. If anyone needs help in escort rich San Diego or Bangkok where I'm lucky enough to go about 10 times a year, let me know.

Pablo

Pablo
01-11-08, 00:30
After my visit to the 4th floor at 1333, I walked around to get a bite to eat and see some other places.

I found the places on M, though there were a lot of people around.

I then went down to the 1413 place, walking right it past it the first time. The bar right above it had a bouncer and valets, so I was thinking that it might be a little uncomfortable going down those stairs. I know I should be past that by now, I know who cares. But I liked the fact that I could sort of slip into supra more unnoticed.

Anyway, it was cold wet night and a lousy one for walking around, especially for this kid from Cali. But for the US, I still like the AMP scene here.

Thanks again guys, your posts were helpful to get me what I was looking for.

Loop Vet
01-11-08, 09:38
.... As for price... For those of you who may indulge in other illicit activities, compare it to buying pot. There is a pretty set price among who you deal with. Sometimes it is great stuff. Sometimes it is not. No matter how much money you have at the time if better is not around it just isn't and you buy anyway....


I enjoyed your analogy, Big Daddy, but for me its flawed. Great weed costs more than dirt weed. I can buy an ounce of brick for five Jacksons, but that same ounce of the killer is gonna run 3 or 4 times that. If you cant get your hands on the good stuff, sure, you might buy the regs, but it'll cost you less. In other words, with weed, you get what you pay for.

Big Daddy Don
01-11-08, 10:39
I enjoyed your analogy, Big Daddy, but for me its flawed. Great weed costs more than dirt weed. I can buy an ounce of brick for five Jacksons, but that same ounce of the killer is gonna run 3 or 4 times that. If you cant get your hands on the good stuff, sure, you might buy the regs, but it'll cost you less. In other words, with weed, you get what you pay for.


I wouldn't compare the current talent to dirt weed. Just commercial grade weed. Ha Ha

I just don't want to price myself out of the hobby. It's not like an amp is going to have different prices for different girls.

In reality, if guys want to spend a bundle they can get real GFEs from escorts. I have seen many a sweet collage girl escort but cannot afford them. If you want absolute primo and are willing to pay top dollar that is the route to go.

Rejected Monke
01-11-08, 10:44
Hoo boy, looks like I opened up a can of worms. First, let's clarify my posts. If you think I'm backpedaling, just quote any of my posts and point it out.

1. I never suggested that we should be paying $250.
2. I never suggested we should be paying a flat rate that's higher than $160.

Here is what I said. I said that if there's a great girl at an AMP, we should:

1. Spread information about her instead of being selfish.
2. Pay her an extra $20 as incentive to stay.

Do you see what I'm getting at? The girls that make money stay in DC. The girls that don't make money leave. How much money each girl needs to make to stay is different and is directly related to how good looking she is and how well she takes care of the customer.

An ugly hag who doesn't bother to brush her teeth and rushes everything obviously does not have as high a requirement as a plastic girl filled with botox and silicone who goes the extra mile for each person she sees.

So my two suggestions work two-fold.

1. Spread information about her instead of being selfish.

This leads to more customers seeing the hotter girls while the hag leads to losing those customers.

2. Pay her an extra $20 as incentive to stay.

The hotter girl makes more money than the hag, which not only helps the hotter girl fill her "money requirement", but also creates jealousy from the hag as she is only human.

So what happens? The hag leaves and is more likely to be replaced by a hotter girl than another hag.

And to address some other comments.

Big Daddy Don, Korea's not a third-world country, at least not the type of "third-world shithole" you have in mind. They may still be listed as third-world on some academic lists, but trust me, they are not on the level of Somalia or Columbia, nor are they even on the level of China or India. Furthermore, LE pressure in DC is STILL less than what it is in New York and Atlanta. So that's not the reason for lack of superior talent. IT'S THE MONEY.

And "they get paid enough" is not an excuse. Let's say, Big Daddy Don, that you made $100,000 a year. Despite what you may think, that's pretty good. That's well above average. What if we decided to just freeze your salary just because "$100,000 is good enough". I doubt you'd enjoy it. In fact, you'd probably find a job somewhere else.

Yup, that's exactly what's happening right now with AMP girls.

Phoenix, it's great that you don't think they are worth $250 or more. I agree, which is why I specifically stated that in my post. But you are wrong in that "NO MAN" will pay for it. And it's also wrong to personally attack the girls for it They have control over their own schedules and make more money than they can in an AMP because there are plenty of people who feel they are worth it. Not you. Not I. But other people. So why should they just go back to working under a mamasan at an AMP taking $160?

Also AMPs did not die out in California. At least not in the sense you are thinking of. As I've already mentioned, the girls have moved onto Apartment AMPs where they make $100 for half an hour or $140 for a full hour. Meanwhile, here in DC, we complain (not saying it's right or it's wrong) if we are sent out after 30 minutes even though we paid $160. So let's think about this. Girls who don't mind travelling can either make:

$100 per 30 minutes

or

$100 per 60 minutes

Which would they choose? Fortunately for us, most girls are either scared to travel by air or it's too much of a hassle since they already live on the East Coast. They exist, but if it was to the full extent, we'd see a mass exodus to the West Coast.

Think about this. The girls we see in DC that come from LA are one of the following:

1. Girls who are scared to work in Cali due to husband/boyfriend/family.
2. Girls who can't make the cut in Cali working at the typical $160HH/$200H AAMP, and have to work at DC-AMP rates anyway.

I AGREE with the rest of your post, though. $160 is the minimum. If the service is average or below average. YES, JUST TIP $100 AND THAT'S IT. If the girl is GOOD or GREAT, just tip that extra $20!


Drew Park, the Chinese condo is still a horrible alternative in my opinion. In my opinion, the girls are ugly and old. To top it off, they are $160 (or is it $180?). For $160, you can go to DC. Okay, a little far? Fair enough. You can just drive two minutes down the road and go to Asian Privacy or Angel Exotics, which have a whole lot better looking women who give better service.

Rejected Monke
01-11-08, 11:00
you get what you pay for.

Wow, I can't believe I wrote all that shit when I could've just picked one line from someone else's post.

YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

If you can't be bothered to tip a hotter/nicer girl extra because you're scared of "inflation" or whatever, DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE QUALITY.

Pheonixzero13
01-11-08, 11:17
[QUOTE=Phoenix, it's great that you don't think they are worth $250 or more. I agree, which is why I specifically stated that in my post. But why personally attack the girls' character just because YOU don't like it? They have control over their own schedules and make more money than they can in an AMP because there are plenty of people who feel they are worth it. Not you. Not I. But other people. So why should they just go back to working under a mamasan at an AMP taking $160? .[/QUOTE]It's common sense, how many of you will pay any $250 or more for not even 1 hour of service? . I think that there are other guys that think the same thing as I, so it's not just ME or YOU for that matter. With that said, I want to give you a little quiz :

If you were an AMP girl and suddenly, you decide you want to go solo offering your services for such a pathetic price such as $200 OR MORE "because you weren't making enough money at D. C or any other place in the area " for example, what are the odds of you getting the same customer base as you got in an AMP in any given place like D. C, and what number of men do you think will be willing to pay you that type of cash? .

Think about it, we are facing a reccession here in the U. S, a lot of people are struggling to make ends meet, they have families to maintain for example. How many guys will even have the type of money these girls are asking for? .

So I am not the ONLY one that has the same thoughts regarding this issue, alot of people feel the same way like Sleazebum for example.

Why should they go back to D. C you ask? :

I'm not saying they SHOULD go back, but think about it.

What's better? , Quantity or Quality?

Here in D. C they get almost ten or more a day, I'm saying this because I have spoken many times to the girls at the AMPs and they confirmed this to me accurately.

Here's a formula

House fee $60 (For the house of course) $100 tip for the girl $100 x 10 = $1000 a day! For only 45 MINUTES per customer!

So tell me, what are the odds of them getting this amount of money solo when they are charging everyone $200 or more? . I would really like to see them try and make as much money as they do at an AMP.

USMC "Semper Fi"

Pheonixzero13

Rejected Monke
01-11-08, 11:25
Also one last point for the morning.

If you don't have that extra $20, fine. If you worry too much about inflation, fine. If you're just a cheapskate, fine.

But just realize that those who are selfish with intelligence, and yes this is a problem on this forum, are directly doing a disservice to themselves, other board members, and the girls themselves.

There are generally two reasons that a girl stays an extended period of time:

1. She is making money.
2. She isn't making THAT much money but she actually lives in the area despite lying about being from New York.

Case in point, Supra (before scattering due to LE visit).

Ruby and Susie were around a hell of a long time, and that's directly correlated to the number of reports they were getting.

Meanwhile, apparently they are nothing compared to a girl named Tara, but she did not stay that long. Is it any coincidence that she had only a couple of reports about her?

Don't believe me?

Ask any of the girls who carry around a laptop how important reviews and reports are to making money. They will tell you that the difference between a girl who has good reviews and a girl who doesn't is substantial.

This is why I can't say anything bad about Sleazebum, because no matter how much of a cheapskate he claims to be, he ALWAYS provides information to the rest of us. In fact, I bet he's single-handedly responsible for 50% of the Chinese condo's business (along with 25% being from Low Jack, and 25% being from Drew Park).

Pheonixzero13
01-11-08, 11:44
When Sun was open back in January 2007 , and before I went to Parris Island , I had my last session with Bebe . We spoke for a LONG TIME and she told me everything about the AMPs , about her ,the girls , and everything else . She along with the other girls were in that business for a long time .... and guess what .... they were all making the same amount of money ( $100 per customer ) . So I think about it and I think that D.C can't be all bad for the girls , they are actually making a lot of money per day . I am starting to think that the problems are actually the LE's , eversince that AMP got busted recently , the other AMPs are are in a state of catatonic shock - they are afraid , which leads me to believe that the girls are actually leaving ( Not all of them ) because the want to keep their freedom and keep making more money of course!. I think things will actually look better down the road , its just a matter of patience.

Bebe was the best. Her teddy bear hairknot still has the delicious scent of her hair ( I still have it with me ) . A great woman indeed.

Sleazebum
01-11-08, 12:04
So!

Now where can I get that BBBJTCCIMNQNS I need for $5.98??

JJ


Also one last point for the morning.

If you don't have that extra $20, fine. If you worry too much about inflation, fine. If you're just a cheapskate, fine.

But just realize that those who are selfish with intelligence, and yes this is a problem on this forum, are directly doing a disservice to themselves, other board members, and the girls themselves.

There are generally two reasons that a girl stays an extended period of time:

1. She is making money.
2. She isn't making THAT much money but she actually lives in the area despite lying about being from New York.

Case in point, Supra (before scattering due to LE visit).

Ruby and Susie were around a hell of a long time, and that's directly correlated to the number of reports they were getting.

Meanwhile, apparently they are nothing compared to a girl named Tara, but she did not stay that long. Is it any coincidence that she had only a couple of reports about her?

Don't believe me?

Ask any of the girls who carry around a laptop how important reviews and reports are to making money. They will tell you that the difference between a girl who has good reviews and a girl who doesn't is substantial.

This is why I can't say anything bad about Sleazebum, because no matter how much of a cheapskate he claims to be, he ALWAYS provides information to the rest of us. In fact, I bet he's single-handedly responsible for 50% of the Chinese condo's business (along with 25% being from Low Jack, and 25% being from Drew Park).

Pheonixzero13
01-11-08, 12:07
For all of you who knew Bebe from Sun, check this out:

This girl looks just like Bebe!

Tui Thanom
http://www.hot-teen-asian.com/asian-models-011.html?838598

I just wanted to bring back some good memories

Enjoy!

Pheonixzero13
01-11-08, 12:14
Also forgot this one

http://www.x-worx.com/asianworx/fareast/tuithanom/giftwrapped/index08.html

Bebe lookalike number 2 !

Rejected Monke
01-11-08, 14:27
I'm sorry Pheonix but your posts just show you just don't know.

First of all, let's dispell the myth about LE. LE presence in DC is LIGHTER than New York, Atlanta, and Florida. I don't know where the hell this myth about LE in DC being strict came from, but it's FALSE. Black Wednesday didn't just happen in DC, by the way, if that happens to be the source of this stupid myth.

Second, girls making $1000 is not the norm. In fact, it was never the norm.

Downtown girls made $1000 a day. Sun girls probably did. These days, who knows?

Want proof?

Read the federal indictment for Black Wednesday and the transcripts of the recorded phone conversations between the drivers, girls, and managers. The highest figure quoted was that a girl could make $21,000 a month. It doesn't make sense that taxi drivers and managers would lie and give a lower figure when trying to entice girls to work at an establishment.

Oh, and here's the ultimate dagger to your entire theory.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/16/AR2006081601513.html

"At the Downtown Spa in downtown Washington, the massage parlor operator told a middleman in New York that the workers "were tired because they served 15 customers the previous night" and "she only had six girls working at the time, but needed eight girls because she would get up to 70 customers on a weekend," according to court documents."

Wait a minute. That doesn't make sense. How can eight girls doing 70 customers at $100 a pop make $1000 each? That's right, it's impossible. They made $1000 through a thing called TIP, which is something girls hardly see these days because as I already mentioned, their primary form of advertisement is now this board where we are quick to talk about controlling prices. This isn't even taking into account the guys who go just for the massage, HJ, or BJ.

Word these days is that businesses are slow and that girls are lucky to see five guys a day. Which is why Supra only has three girls again. Which is also why 14K now only has two girls, with a third sometimes working on Fridays and Saturdays. Meanwhile, keep in mind that girls are working everyday from 10AM - 4AM. Nobody, none of the girls enjoy the hours.

All this while Christine and Rie work from 11AM to 11PM, taking days off whenever they feel like it. Assuming they make $200 per customer with the rest going to their scheduler, they only have to service five guys a day to make $1000.

Check out Miami Ultimate who charge $250 on average and are involved in the Latina/white market which is a heckuva lot more saturated than Asian escorts. Girls there get upward of 12 customers a day. Unfortunately, they are an agency so girls don't see all of the money. If those girls can get up to twelve customers a day, I have no doubt Christine and Rie average more than just five guys, potentially making twice as much (if not more) as a regular AMP girl while also setting their own schedule.

And yet, we're still scratching our heads and asking each other, "Where did all the quality go?"

Gee, I wonder.

Pheonixzero13
01-11-08, 15:15
I'm sorry Pheonix but your posts just show you just don't know.

First of all, let's dispell the myth about LE. LE presence in DC is LIGHTER than New York, Atlanta, and Florida. I don't know where the hell this myth about LE in DC being strict came from, but it's FALSE. Black Wednesday didn't just happen in DC, by the way, if that happens to be the source of this stupid myth.

Second, girls making $1000 is not the norm. In fact, it was never the norm.

Downtown girls made $1000 a day. Sun girls probably did. These days, who knows?

Want proof?

Read the federal indictment for Black Wednesday and the transcripts of the recorded phone conversations between the drivers, girls, and managers. The highest figure quoted was that a girl could make $21,000 a month. It doesn't make sense that taxi drivers and managers would lie and give a lower figure when trying to entice girls to work at an establishment.

Oh, and here's the ultimate dagger to your entire theory.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/16/AR2006081601513.html

"At the Downtown Spa in downtown Washington, the massage parlor operator told a middleman in New York that the workers "were tired because they served 15 customers the previous night" and "she only had six girls working at the time, but needed eight girls because she would get up to 70 customers on a weekend," according to court documents."

Wait a minute. That doesn't make sense. How can eight girls doing 70 customers at $100 a pop make $1000 each? That's right, it's impossible. They made $1000 through a thing called TIP, which is something girls hardly see these days because as I already mentioned, their primary form of advertisement is now this board where we are quick to talk about controlling prices.

Word these days is that businesses are slow and that girls are lucky to make $4000 a week. Which is why Supra only has three girls again. Which is also why 14K now only has two girls, with a third sometimes working on Fridays and Saturdays. Meanwhile, keep in mind that girls are working everyday from 10AM - 4AM. Nobody, none of the girls enjoy the hours.

All this while Christine and Rie work from 11AM to 11PM, taking days off whenever they feel like it. Assuming they make $200 per customer with the rest going to their scheduler, they only have to service five guys a day to make $1000.

Check out Miami Ultimate who charge $250 on average and are involved in the Latina/white market which is a heckuva lot more saturated than Asian escorts. Girls there get upward of 12 customers a day. Unfortunately, they are an agency so girls don't see all of the money. If those girls can get up to twelve customers a day, I have no doubt Christine and Rie average more than just five guys, potentially making twice as much (if not more) as a regular AMP girl while also setting their own schedule.

And yet, we're still scratching our heads and asking each other, "Where did all the quality go?"

Gee, I wonder.If the previous AMPs were making so little money ? , why were there so many girls working at AMPs from 2000 - 2007 ? .

If their situation was so vile as for them to leave broke almost every week , why did they have so much quality and variety back then ?. It still makes no sense . There's a saying , " When the ship sinks , the rats are the first to flee " .

You have to understand , these girls come here with a goal " To make money " and when their attemps to make money is shaken up or interrupted , like LE busts for example , they get scared and run away until the situation simmers down . Which I think gives us the answer to why the quality is faltering .

Thats why I say it's just a matter of time

Things WILL get better .

Junky11
01-11-08, 16:34
I'm sorry Pheonix but your posts just show you just don't know.

First of all, let's dispell the myth about LE. LE presence in DC is LIGHTER than New York, Atlanta, and Florida. I don't know ...
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And yet, we're still scratching our heads and asking each other, "Where did all the quality go?"

Gee, I wonder.

It depends on what you mean by light. DC LE has just put more priority on eliminating SWs because of all the problems related to them, i.e. crack, crime, etc. Anyone who knows about how things have changed since the Marion Barry days, about the SW parade across the 14th st bridge, knows what I am talking about. Years ago, I knew the cop that dealt with SWs in his area and he other cops hated SWs. When and if the AMPs cross a certain line (like bothering neighbors), DC LE moves on it.

Big Daddy Don
01-11-08, 17:47
Hell, I don't really have a problem with the quality. I have had a few bad ones here and there but overall has been quite enjoyable. I used to have great quality here in NOVA but it definitly was LE that stopped that, not price.

LexLuther
01-11-08, 18:03
[QUOTE=Rejected Monke]I'm sorry Pheonix but your posts just show you just don't know.

First of all, let's dispell the myth about LE. LE presence in DC is LIGHTER than New York, Atlanta, and Florida. I don't know where the hell this myth about LE in DC being strict came from, but it's FALSE. Black Wednesday didn't just happen in DC, by the way, if that happens to be the source of this stupid myth.
[ENDQUOTE]

If you look at wikipedia, you will see that the Washington, D.C. police department numbers approximately 3,800 sworn officers and hundreds of civilian personnel. This department is therefore one of the 10 largest in the country. Further, according to wikipedia, the Atlanta, GA police department numbers less than 2,000. The NYPD currently numbers in excess of 38,000 sworn officers and is the largest in North America.

I'm not sure if the figures for D.C. include the forces of other police-like agencies such as the U.S. Park Police, but I'm fairly certain they don't include agencies such as the FBI, DEA, or other federal agencies. Some of these federal agencies do interest themselves in eliminating AMPs. The D.C. police department undoubtedly receives some help and assistance from the federal government that the police forces of another city (like Atlanta) don't receive.

But I don't think it makes any sense to claim that D.C. is lightly policed. It is the capital of the nation.

LexLuther

Rejected Monke
01-11-08, 18:19
Hell, I don't really have a problem with the quality. I have had a few bad ones here and there but overall has been quite enjoyable. I used to have great quality here in NOVA but it definitly was LE that stopped that, not price.

Virginia is a completely different story. Truly, Sakura and HWC were gems.

Anyone remember when Sakura had Sue, Jenny, and Connie all at once? That was the jackpot, right there.



But I don't think it makes any sense to claim that D.C. is lightly policed. It is the capital of the nation.

LexLuther

What I meant was, LE places less importance on shutting down AMPs than in other areas such as New York or Atlanta. You can also compare DC with Montgomery County, MD and Prince Williams County, VA... No comparison on where the heat is lightest.

Rejected Monke
01-12-08, 02:00
After all the debating and whatever, here's what you really came for.

Had a double session at Supra tonight. First up was Joon. Younger than other AMPs, but on par with the girls at Supra in terms of age. Face is not bad. She is tall and has a nice figure, though her fake tits are a little small for her body. They're not nice to touch either, feels like she has two magic 8-balls underneath there. Oh well. She was accomodating with all positions except cowgirl and she makes noises when you're doing her, if you're into that. Nice and talkative, but her personality is not girly, so wouldn't expect her to try and sweet talk you. Just nice conversation. I wouldn't mind repeating.

Second girl was Mimi. Shorter and also seems to be young. Face is kind of busted. Body's natural and not bad. I liked her style of giving CBJ (making noises) but the actual action was kind of disappointing. Wouldn't let me penetrate all the way. Oh well. Also talkative and will try to sweet talk you in a girly voice. Would I repeat? No.

Third girl was.... Busy. And I didn't feel like waiting as she had just gone in. So yeah, was unable to complete the hat trick this time. Ah well. If anyone has reports on the third girl, let me know. I forgot her name, but it wasn't Eva. Looks like Eva's already gone after less than a week.

Hobbyist4Life
01-12-08, 05:14
I hear you!

That you would never spend that kind of money for any "package"
But, are you serious? That you think, no one would? You can't be that na...
I can say that I have! I have paid more... Why not?
I'm not welthy... I just don't mind spending for the right ones...
I have run into few, that are not worth the money...
and I have run into some that are worth every penny!

It certainly isn't "outrageous"
Everyone has a different life style and needs!
Some drive a Saturn and some drive a Benz!
You can have Fuddruckers or you can have Ruth Chris...
or look at it this way...
You can make 3 pleasant or unpleasant trips to AMP's for about 500...
or you can make 2 pleasant or unpleasant trips to see a provider for 500...
It's only 1 trip difference... But, I'm sure that 1 extra trip makes all the
difference for you!
I can honestly say, that sometimes it's worth the money...
Much more relaxing, don't have to worry about time, better service...
Sometimes, I like the quickies... I have had some awesome trips to AMP's...
You just have to choose wisely...
But, it's all about having the option to choose...
I travel quite a bit, I have seen all the AMP scenes and many Private Providers around the country and around the world.
Even in Korea, you can expect to pay 500 to 1000 or more for some of
the top providers. Yes, they are model material and they were awesome!

The L.A. scene has changed the most, since the sweep.
There are lot more independent providers now.

I'm sure there are profesionals on this board, that may make 500 an hour.
Do you work 9am to 4am everyday? "That is 19 HOURS a day"
And you guys expect them to be in the best of mood everyday, working 19 hours a day? Are you kidding me?
Why do you think the senior members on this board, always mentions to treat
the providers well... Would you say that earning 1000 per day, is too much?
For all the shit that they go through everyday? Why do you think, they have
to take a break every month or so...
Could you keep your sanity, working 19 hours a day?
You guys think what they do is easy money?
I've seen them cry, pant, pass out from exhaustion...
I don't think anyone has the right to b*tch about what they earn!
Put yourself in their shoes! Could you do any job for 19 hours a day?
You'd probably say, no one can ever pay you enough!

Am I doing something wrong? If I decide to tip a little extra to a good
provider, when I have some extra cash? or when I get a bonus?

I am all for keeping the fares down...
But, you have to understand... Tipping a little extra keeps them on their
game! Cause they would like people to recognize, when they give their all!
Just like any of us! How would you feel? If you never get recognized for
your hard work, even when you go beyond the call of duty.

I've heard numerous times. Whats the point of performing beyond the
minimum? When most in DC pays the minimum? If they are going to get
compensated for the effort?

So, every city needs the hobbyists that seek the "quantity" and
every city needs the hobbyists that seek the "quality"
That is one way to keep the industry strong!
And I like having the variety! I'm all for it!
We should feel fortunate, that we have the variety and options...

Sorry, for the long post about this issue.
But, I had to speak my mind!
Like my handle, I am a hobbyist... I'm about understanding both sides...

Take care of them and they will take care of you!

Damn, I hope I don't get attacked for this post...
Just my opinion...

Peace out!

H4L




I think that there's no way that any man will pay any girl $250 and up for their "package", it's just outrageous. There's no way that I'm paying any girl whether she's Asian or not, that type of money for just 1 hour of pussy, I find that to be ludicrous and insane. I saw the 2 girls from your post Jack B (Rie And Christine), and when I saw their prices, I thought to myself " These girls must be smoking weed or something, who and what do they think they are? ". I totally agree with Sleazebum, these girls are asking for too much money, what type of insurance can any customer get that these girls would actually treat them right for that hefty amount of cash? . Why do you think that the AMP's in California have comepletely died out? , because no man is willing to pay that outrageous amount of cash for just one hour with a girl, NO MAN WILL DO IT, NOT ONE! I am sure you guys work very hard for your money, and I am also sure that you guys value the hard effort you all put in your work everyday, would you give any girl (Asian or not) that type of cash? When you are not even sure if she will take care of you properly? . I'm sure you guys wouldn't throw your hard earned money down the toilet now would you? . Thinking about it after a while, I think the AMP girls might give up and actually come back to D. C when they realize that thair attempts to get rich quick from men are futile.

There's one thing that you said Jack B that I trully agree on.

If you find a good AMP thats willing to really pamper and take care of you, try to tip her extra, If she gives you exceptional service tip her good by all means. But I think if they give you standard or below average service, they will have to settle for $160. It's either that or nothing at all. They want more money, they have to work for it.

Oh, By the way, I appreciate your reply Jack! :.D.

USMC "Semper Fi"

Pheonixzero13

Hobbyist4Life
01-12-08, 05:25
Btw, about Rie and Christine.

Not really worth all money... Worth about 200... In my opinion.
Christine tries to be more GFE. Very limited English. But, doesn't watch the clock. Both very friendly.
Rie is about the same. Nothing special.
Didn't repeat either one.

Rie
Face 7
Body 7
Performance 7

Christine
Face 6
Body 8
Performance 7

H4L

Member #4338
01-12-08, 22:15
With apologies in advance to those who don’t care what turns me on, I offer this report on a recent experience.

I had a hankering for a Cookie at Rio . Tried to call for an appointment but couldn’t raise them by phone. In an abundance of caution, seriously considered not going but the yellow fever was running high. Arrived only to find that Cookie was “on vacation” and Paula was out shopping. Back up position was LL’s Bobbie. Unfortunately she was busy. Decided to pass on Nana and headed down the road.

Next stop Mini. I drew Bunny who is very aptly named. She is 5’ 4”, 115 lbs, maybe 27, very fit with enhanced 35 Cs and long silky jet black hair. This is one sweet girl with a very pleasant disposition. Bunny lived up to her name.

LARS™ 8 across the board.

Lax

Readerx
01-13-08, 20:12
Hi,

Another romp with Angie this afternoon. She never ceases to amaze me. This time she acted like she had not seen a guy for weeks. Fun started before the TS and continued through cleanup. I have seen Angie several times but never found her in this frame of mind (and body). Very friendly and solicitous. Lots of tongue and rubbing. Willing to try different things and took my suggestions willingly. Thoroughly enjoyable. I hope she does not join the musical girl rotation that seems to be shuffling the girls around here. Can't tell the players without a scorecard.

Great day,

Rx

Mac Jones
01-13-08, 21:03
And decided to be frugal and visit the 14k as it's within a short walk of where I'm staying. You locals know this, but it gets dark really early here. Like 5:15 or something.

So, the fiction:

So, it's sort of quiet on the street, and dark. I still have the image of DC as the murder capital of the world, so I was a little uncomfortable at the door and felt sort of penned in. I rang once and was invited in by Mama. She shows me to the room and says a lovely masseuse will be right in. Angie came right in and says it's. 6 for the house, which I was prepared for thanks to you guys. Another 1 for the gratuity.

She tells me to get ready for a shower and she'll be right back. Well the whole hose and bowl on the vinyl bed thing is a little weird, but relaxing.

Angie is cute enough. She looks Japanese, but says she's Korean. Probably near 40 and very petite. Doesn't go for much touching, but is willing to be handled and moved into position. During the warmup massage I swear she walked up and down my back and legs. Somewhere along the way she magicked-up a hat for jimmy. I've been impressed by this trick before, and she didn't disappoint. Massage, CBJ, and she really preferred to be a missionary. That was fine at first, but she doesn't want the whole thing for some reason. She ended up getting it anyhow. She was willing to move around and let me position her so the angles were just right. Gorgeous creamy smooth skin and a clean lady in a clean place. Just what I needed tonight.

Overall I'd say this story was above average all around. Looks were cute but aging. Performance was spunky but uninspired. She was polite and demure which, I suppose, is part of the allure of the asian ladies. Too bad they don't have beer or cocktails there, that'd be even more relaxing.

I'll probably repeat because of the convenience to the hotel and I'm here for awhile. The only thing I might do differently is leave my wallet in my room at the hotel. During the whole shower deal I was worried about it. You guys have any routine for the money and security of your stuff?

Readerx
01-13-08, 23:01
Mac, each room should have a plastic "purse". It is to put your wallet in so you can take it with you to the TS, bathroom, sauna, etc. If there is not one in the room you are given, ask.

Have fun,

Rx

LexLuther
01-13-08, 23:09
Mac Jones,
This is meant to be practical information for the AMP goer so I trust no one will object to it on the grounds that it is too "philosophical" or "theoretical."

In general I have to say that in my amping career I have never been robbed. There must be or have been one or two girls somewhere, some time who, due to an uncontrolled drug addiction or some similar situation, have robbed the occasional innocent (if I may use that term) customer of the odd $20.00 bill or two or three. But I've never had any trouble. Of course if I plan to spend, say $200.00, I am not going to bring $500.00 with me into the AMP. No sense tempting fate. And to leave the remaining $300.00 in the car is also senseless as the area outside an AMP is apt to be more dangerous than the area inside it.

Leaving your entire wallet outside is not a good idea either. As we have discussed on this board a number of time, in many cases the mamasan will search your walled while you are being distracted in the shower. She does this mainly to find out if you are carrying a badge, what area you are from, etc. In general I'd have to say the mamasan is very unlikely to have as her intention robbing you. She may negotiate with you, but that's a different thing entirely. Once a price has been agreed upon neither the mamasan nor the provider is likely to attempt to try to extort more than that out of you. That is dishonorable to Koreans and they believe they lose face in doing so.

So the best advice is to bring close to what you knowledgeably expect to spend for your massage including extras. It's ok to take an additional forty or so for tipping purposes if extraordinary service is given. But in general we are talking about house fee plus $100.00 to $150.00 in provider fees or tips. If you do take an additional $20.00 or $40.00 and lose that, you must report it to the mamasan immediately and in all likelihood you will be re-imbursed If not, the offending worker will most likely be let go back into that cold world which consists of working girls riding endlessly around the U.S. in the back of Korean Taxi, a kind of Korean Underworld Purgatory if you like.

Anyway, the best to you all. God bless you and the Korean girls who give us all so much comfort and pleasure. Experiment, Learn, Enjoy!

LexLuther

Dire Wolf98
01-14-08, 00:56
(snip) You guys have any routine for the money and security of your stuff?My routine for years has been that I have another wallet that I place just enough money for the session; plus an extra $40 of emergency money. I also bring ID (in case of a LE raid) and an ATM card just in case I need more emergency money. I never wear my watch or anything else of value. I do this everywhere I practice the hobby expect Tokyo and Singapore.

Dire Wolf98
01-14-08, 01:00
I had a serious need to get cuddly with a K-Girl tonight. So, I dropped by 1413 and, as luck would have it, Nana was working. It was great on many levels.

As I have mentioned before, Nana feels more comfortable speaking Japanese than English. So we spent most of our lovey-dovey session speaking/whispering Japanese terms of endearment to each other. Nana also tried to teach me a few additional phrases in Korean.

I'll definitely keep Nana on my Short List.

AKFourtySeven
01-14-08, 17:00
Like Dire Wolf I carry a wallet with cash,dl registration insurance info in case I get stopped.I've never had anything stolen.I leave debit and credit cards at home.They might have the necessary computer skills to get your info off of them.

Big Daddy Don
01-15-08, 12:22
I have been at this for a few years now. I have never had a problem with leaving my wallet in my pants in the room. Why on earth would they want to rob you of a coulple bucks one time when they can rob you on a regular basis by having repeat business?!?! If they treat you right they get to rob you multiple times a month and we wish we could do it again.

How many pic pocket thieves out there have guys that beg them to pick their pockets time and time again?

Just like any business, Ajima wants you to come back and spread the word to trusted freinds that her place is the best. Theft would be some bad advertisement.

Hawkeye In Md
01-15-08, 16:43
I have been at this for a few years now. I have never had a problem with leaving my wallet in my pants in the room. Why on earth would they want to rob you of a coulple bucks one time when they can rob you on a regular basis by having repeat business?!?! If they treat you right they get to rob you multiple times a month and we wish we could do it again.

How many pic pocket thieves out there have guys that beg them to pick their pockets time and time again?

Just like any business, Ajima wants you to come back and spread the word to trusted freinds that her place is the best. Theft would be some bad advertisement.I only ever bring enough to cover the house + FS college funding and my id just in case I need it. Other than that. Nothing else other than my car keys.

A John
01-15-08, 17:57
I've been going to these places for numerous years. One time while in the TS I heard a bunch of commotion outside, the young lady whispered we stay here be quiet come to find out somebody just came in showed a gun and robbed the place leaving quickly.

I can't agree more with the trusted seniors feedback. I always put my valuables in the plastic shower bag that are usually located on a shelf somewhere nearby. Personally I don't really hold back on my money, due to the fact if I receive great service I might wanna go for multiple hours. Sometimes GREEK, BBBJ or any other extras may be available if I'm enjoying myself I don't want to go get more money.

Without a doubt if you have a problem in any of these places you take it to mamasan. I promise she will straighten it out.

There's nothing that will kill a business quicker than a bad word.

They want happy customers.

Happy Hunting
AJ

Junky11
01-15-08, 18:16
I've been going to these places for numerous years. One time while in the TS I heard a bunch of commotion outside, the young lady whispered we stay here be quiet come to find out somebody just came in showed a gun and robbed the place leaving quickly.

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There's nothing that will kill a business quicker than a bad word.

They want happy customers.

Happy Hunting
AJ

Most may already know this, but when discussing price, never pull out a wad of $$$ that is more than the standard fare. The provider will always demand more. I never take wallet or anything else except maybe my license and on the occasion that I have I did not get ripped off by the AMP --but there is a first for everything.

Rejected Monke
01-15-08, 19:25
Most may already know this, but when discussing price, never pull out a wad of $$$ that is more than the standard fare. The provider will always demand more. I never take wallet or anything else except maybe my license and on the occasion that I have I did not get ripped off by the AMP --but there is a first for everything.

Not the same as pulling out a wad of cash, but shortly before HWC closed, I tipped one of the girls named Blue there $140 just because I liked her. On my next visit, Blue was busy so I saw Sue (who I had seen a couple of times before). She flicked her tongue on my bare dick and asked if I liked it. Of course I nodded and then suddenly she popped my dick into her mouth for a BBBJ.

I didn't bring extra money that time so I only gave her $100 and she was surprised and said she thought I was gonna tip her more because she heard I gave Blue $140.

You never know what waving a wad of cash can do, even if it's only $40. :)

On a counter-note, it's prudent that you establish an image that you only tip $100 normally but tip extra when you appreciate the services. I saw another girl I liked at another place and tipped her $140. My next visit, I saw a different girl who had heard from her co-worker how much I tipped and immediately started asking me how much I was gonna tip her in advance. Major turn-off there. :(

Ginger Man
01-15-08, 20:33
Another good tack, if the circumstances are right, is to tip the manager twenty bucks. I have done that when I had something special going on with a specific provider. It works, if business is slow, you can go ninety minutes or more.

First time, it was my provider friend who told me to do it, then she took me for a long, long time.

And yes, I was tipping more than $100 with her.

YMMV

Rejected Monke
01-16-08, 05:32
Most of my posts are about defending these establishments, mamasans, and girls, but...

I have to say I am completely pissed right now and someone better call me out and tell me why I'm an asshole.

I call Dupont. "What time are you open until?" "4AM."

I leave immediately and arrive at Dupont at 2AM. I notice the door is closed so I call and say, "The door is closed. Can you open it for me?" The response is, "Oh, we closed honey, come back 10AM okay?"

Okay, so basically I just wasted my time driving to DC... Or did I? So I call Gold. No answer. Probably closed. 1818. No answer. Probaby closed. I call 14K. Mamasan tells me they are closing. Fair enough. I use my cell phone to search Google for some places to call.

Rio? No answer. Probably closed.

Royal? No answer. Probably closed.

M Spa? No answer. Probably closed.

Green Ct? Mamasan picks up. "Are you guys still open?" "Where are you?" "I'm in DC." "Okay, come now." "Okay, wait five to ten minutes, please!" "Okay, come now."

I drive around Thomas Circle lost as hell. Make another call, "Where are you located? I can't find you." "14th and L". "Okay, I'll be there in a few minutes."

Okay, so I circle around and make my way to 14th and L and see in the alleyway a building. I park and as I walk closer, yup, it's 1333.

I ring the doorbell. No answer. I call.

"Oh, we just closed!" "What? Are you serious?" "Yes come back tomorrow at 10AM."

WTF! Seriously, what the hell? If you're closed, tell me you're closed, don't tell me to come now and then when I get there tell me you just closed.

I have to say I am still pretty furious at Dupont and 1333 Green Ct. Dupont, maybe I can understand because maybe during the 30 minutes it took me to get to DC, they decided, "Let's close up."

But 1333 Green Ct, what kind of fucking excuse is there for that?

Jake Jj 1492
01-16-08, 09:50
Most of my posts are about defending these establishments, mamasans, and girls, but...

I have to say I am completely pissed right now and someone better call me out and tell me why I'm an asshole.

Unlike other places, Dupont closes whenever they feel like it. Their posted closing time is 4AM, but, I was told by two of the girls that is only for Friday & Saturday...that other days they close at 3AM. But, I've also been asked to close the door on the way out as early as midnight. So you never know.

Gold, a couple months ago, started posting an earlier closing time of 2AM. Probably because most of the time they would have bad customers was after that time...who knows.

Rio closes at 2AM too. Used to be midnight, so that's an improvement.

14k and Green tend to be more flexible than most...but if you get there after the lights are turned off, you're usually out of luck.

Don't feel bad...it's happened to me a few times too. Maybe IHC should have been your last phone call...

Rejected Monke
01-16-08, 11:39
Unlike other places, Dupont closes whenever they feel like it. Their posted closing time is 4AM, but, I was told by two of the girls that is only for Friday & Saturday...that other days they close at 3AM. But, I've also been asked to close the door on the way out as early as midnight. So you never know.

Gold, a couple months ago, started posting an earlier closing time of 2AM. Probably because most of the time they would have bad customers was after that time...who knows.

Rio closes at 2AM too. Used to be midnight, so that's an improvement.

14k and Green tend to be more flexible than most...but if you get there after the lights are turned off, you're usually out of luck.

Don't feel bad...it's happened to me a few times too. Maybe IHC should have been your last phone call...

It's a new morning so here I am posting with cooler heads. I can understand the earlier closing times because business has slowed down. But what I don't get is telling me one thing on the phone and another when I get there. It's kind of like when they tell you "[insert AMP girl] is still here. We're not busy. Come now!" and when you get there, it's jam packed and your favorite girl is on vacation. Except in those cases, they're trying to get you in the door.

Me, I didn't even get in any door. I'm not quite sure why the heck I wasted a couple of hours last night.

Dcplay
01-16-08, 20:28
Can someone give me the lowdown on Supra? I've been to 14k several times and really like the service there. It's always a flat 1. 6. I went to 1333Green about 2 weeks ago and had a horrible experience. Only got jo even though I requested more.

Any thoughts on Supra? Price, quality, process, etc? I'm looking to add variety to my AMP visits.

Thanks in advance

A John
01-16-08, 22:27
Lax,

I`ve still got my gun not as hot as bigreds napalm.

However it really works great on a pain in the ASS.

Happy Hunting
AJ




Fleabag:

Come to think of it, you're right. The LoveLOS 'put the tip under the watch' is indeed lame. Why would anyone credit a practice recommended by someone with as little experience in DC as LL. Morons!!!

With your sixth post would you please enlighten us on how we should conduct ourselves at DC AMPs.

Waiting for your pearls of wisdom,

Lax

Macphisto
01-17-08, 00:35
Had a double session at Supra tonight. Do they collect a house fee for each session?

Jake Jj 1492
01-17-08, 13:26
For the record, the watch thing is a technique not a rule, and, Neverland did not close because of a bust.

Since everyone is dancing around the issue, contribute or shut the fck up. Don't insult the senior members.

Bobby M
01-17-08, 21:05
I was in DC at the end of last week and made plans to visit the red door shortly after they opened. I metroed in and made a trek to the red door arriving about 10:30 am. Rang the bell and was immediately buzzed in and taken to the first room. I had been there before for a good time so I just went with whom ever walked in. She said her name was Coco. Since I had not recently read the reports I was ok. She asked if I wanted a shower - Of course!. We proceeded to an average or below shower. Yes she got all the places but she asked if she should do the little head. She asked if I wanted a mouth wash- yes. On the way back to the room she wanted me to get in the hot room, but I said that I couldn't go there.

Returned to the room where I pulled my glasses case out of my shirt pocket with the two 50's showing. She had me lie down and asked if I wanted a massage. Another bad sign as I said yes. She proceeded to give a below average massage during which I reached out and caressed her leg. After a few minutes we got down to an active session mostly with her on her back.

I am not sure the length of the session but she did not seem to be rushed. She had said that I was #1 of the day and I never heard the bell so I guess there was no need to rush. I finally said that I had to get going as I had an appointment I needed to get to. She got a hot towel for a clean up, and dressed me. I then handed her the tip. When I asked for a coke she immediately got me one.

Figure: average
shower: below average
massage: below average
overall session: below average
If I went back soon would I ask for Coco: probably not as I have had much better sessions there and other places in DC.

Jammin 2
01-17-08, 22:07
Went last night and mamason put me in the tiny warm temporarily. She collected house fee and said I send you nice girl. As the door was closing saw 3 lining up in front of other door. All 3 had great bodies, one close to 5'10". I wish I got her based upon looks. Then she moved me to a larger room and in came Yumi. She is cute in the face, but fairly GND in looks with just a tiny amount of baby fat. The good part is she had a nice set of natural Bs and a round behind. Smoky hair smell wasn't so appealing, but compared to chicago or Indy I was very happy!

Service was good starting with caressing and a licking I won't forget for a while. I entered from behind where I enjoyed the view, broke a sweat, cleaned up and went home. Really a sweet girl, treat her well.

Looks-8
Attitude-9
Service-8

Wish weather was better tonight as I would go again.

Monger69
01-18-08, 12:26
Her name is "Michelle"

Nice and natural, a little pouch but only when bending over.

Very warm very friendly, needs some direction in what you want, but willing to do.

The Y was very inviting, and I just had to have a light snack. She seemed to enjoy, and actually there was no need for artifical lube when we got down to business

Multiple positions, both of us broke a sweat, and after, she was smiling and there was def some of her all over the condom.

Attitude - 10
Looks - 8
Service - 9

Rejected Monke
01-18-08, 21:52
Just by coincidence, I got Bunny at 1818. 5'4" slender and tan body with proportionate fake tits and ass. Her face is like a mix between Bebe from Sun and also Bebe and Susie from Gold, which makes me wonder if they all went to the same plastic surgeon in New York.

Nice looks but attitude and service was just good enough, nothing spectacular. Repeat, probably not.

Rusian Mong
01-19-08, 02:29
Hey everyone,

Can you tell me where is Supra is in DC? I tried searching for it ( on Conneticut avenue, thought i had the correct address from intel, but i think iwas wrong ) and didn't find it. Can someone PM me and help me find it.

I apologize if its right here in the forum and I haven't found it,but I'm still relatively new and looking to enjoy my first AMP. =)

Thanks

A John
01-19-08, 09:37
You should fill your library with information before emptying your wallet!


Instead of asking where places are, when you're unfamiliar maybe just ask for direction as to wear one might find this info. We might be more inclined to point in a direction as to where you might get some education. This forum is loaded with valuable information.

Now start reading!

Happy Hunting
AJ

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=266





I apologize if its right here in the forum and I haven't found it,but I'm still relatively new and looking to enjoy my first AMP. =)
Thanks

Eyebrow
01-19-08, 10:03
Just want to thank the members of this board for all of the information. I am visiting the area and decided to go to Supra.

Saw Michelle last night. She is tall, perhaps 5'8", with a slender figure, small natural breasts. As reported, she is friendly and very accommodating. She said that she has been in town for 7 days and came from NYC. There was no massage, it was right down to business. She makes a lot of eye contact and sounds of delight (fake of course but still appreciated). Tried multiple positions and finished in miss with her legs over my shoulders- delightful! It was busy at Supra and the session was only 30 min. But it was still worth the visit.

RelaxedInMd
01-19-08, 21:52
So, I've been lurking around these parts for a long time and have only posted occasionally. I'm trying to change that in '08!

Anyways, had a dream I wandered through a door painted red Thursday night. I drew Coco. A little thicker than I like them, but all in all not bad. I was freezing, so after paying the house fee and undressing for a shower, she put me in the sauna. Shortly thereafter we went off for the shower. While washing my front side, she actually asked if it was ok for her to wash me "down there". I've never been asked this before, and was a bit shocked after the thorough cleaning provided to my asian area. No matter, she finished and back to the room.

The massage was not a massage at all. More of a "rub". After a while she leaned over and whispered "how can I help you". Of course, I said I wanted it all. She stripped and started kissing/caressing my back. She headed closer to my backside and I was blessed with some asian pleasure! For me, that was always the norm at a place near Verizon, but I haven't enjoyed that in a long time. The session was looking up a bit. On the flip, nice kissing and licking on the place that counts before the cover went on and she started cbj. While she took me most of the way in, it was unenthusiastic and a bit toothy. She had me sit up and continued cbj on her knees, before she laid down on her back and motioned me to come over. Mish was ok, I did all the work while she basically laid there. I will give her one thing, she was a bit tight. Again though, no real "wow" moments. I was tired and this wasn't one of the better sessions I've had so I just finished in mish. She got up, dressed, and off for the hot towel. Came back, cleaned me up, and I was on my way.

I didn't feel rushed at all, but the performance was less than what I had hoped. This was my first time at this location, so I'm hoping that this is not the norm at this establishment. I would definitely not repeat with Coco.

Ampfreq
01-19-08, 23:52
Had a great dream the other night at Supra with a small girl named Hana. Pretty face, very small breasts (for those of you who mind) and a nice slim body. Nothing noteworthy about the TS and she didn't even bother with a real massage. Lots of all over kissing and sucking on her part. She seemed eager to get things started (and finished?) I finally got the chance to reciprocate but she was shy about DATY. Not that she protested just seemed a bit nervous. Finally got down to business in that dept and she pulls a regular UFC leg-choke on me. As she shivers in such a way that made me think it was no act. Needless to say she was very receptive to the main mission(ary) and we finished that way. Was good for me. Very good. And she seemed more than happy too. YMMV.

One thing, Hana's shaving habits in her nether regions are non-existent. She has a full natural bush which was a turn-on for me. Even I don't understand that!?! Go figure.

Stay safe,

af

Its The Purple
01-20-08, 05:12
I went to M Street at Gold Spa and all I have to say is wow. The ladies are very attractive. If you want to know more just ask.

Its The Purple
01-20-08, 05:16
Gold Spa has very pretty women, I'd recommend it. Prices are high, but well worth it for "massage". I got a Korean girl (I think they all are Korean there, I could be wrong). Was there 2 days ago, and yesterday, first time I didn't know what I was doing and only got a HJ but after that I went back yesterday and got it all.. Pretty girl, short, long black hair, I won't give out her name, but she looks like shes in her 20's. Go there for a great "Massage".

Rusian Mong
01-20-08, 06:24
A John,

Thanks for the link. The USTraveler "Tips and Guidelines" was perfect. Good reading indeed.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2291&page=5&pp=15

What a life saver for a newbie

Also, whats the min/max amount to tip at Supra for just HJ/BJ service?

Rejected Monke
01-20-08, 19:08
Gold Spa has very pretty women, I'd recommend it. Prices are high, but well worth it for "massage". I got a Korean girl (I think they all are Korean there, I could be wrong). Was there 2 days ago, and yesterday, first time I didn't know what I was doing and only got a HJ but after that I went back yesterday and got it all.. Pretty girl, short, long black hair, I won't give out her name, but she looks like shes in her 20's. Go there for a great "Massage".

Why are prices high?

Why won't you give out her name?

Thanks for a useless report.

Its The Purple
01-20-08, 19:30
Why are prices high?

Why won't you give out her name?

Thanks for a useless report.Nice to meet you too. Her names Sugar, and it's $180 for everything.

Chaz
01-20-08, 21:10
I went to Rio a few days ago. I called in advance and asked about Bobbie. I only recall one report about her. I think it was LL, but it was enough for me to ask about her. Mamasan said she was on vacation. That usually means she's gone, but there have been a few who really were on vacation. But I went anyway, shortly after the 10 a. M. Opening. I asked if I could see who was working, but Mamasan either didn't understand or, more likely, pretended not to. In came Nana. I thought about leaving. She was plain. Not ugly, not fat, but, PLAIN. But I agreed to go ahead. The table shower was one of the best I've ever had, and I've been at this for years. Nana was thorough, and lingered over the right spots. She put me in the sauna, and while there, I heard the shower in the next room. When Nana came back for me, she was wrapped in a towell. That's another good sign.

Back in the room, she gave a good massage, and then started to tease me. She performed AR, which seems more rare these days. I raised my hips off the bed and she took the hint, reaching underneath to stroke me. It felt so good, I was afraid of finisihing. All the while she was doing AR. I turned around to face her and she asked what was wrong. I told her I was afraid of finishing too quickly.

What did she do? She asked me to lay back down on my stomach. She said she wanted to rim me more. No problem. When I did flip over, she started a BBBJ. She was going at it so well I thought she had applied the cover with her mouth. I was again ready to finish andf reached down to see if I was covered. I was not. This was a real honest-to-goodness BBBJ. I was about to tell her that I was ready to finish. I wanted to see how she felt about BBBJCIM, but I think she got the message, and applied the cover. It was almost tto late, as I started to come. She immediately jumped up to reverse CG. After all was done, she asked why I finished so "slowly. " I know she meant "quickly. " She seemed disappointed, like she wanted it to go on longer. By the way, while she performed the BBBJ she was astride me chest, so her backside was right in front of my face. I fingered her, and she got very wet, so I'm sure she enjoys her work.

After she cleaned me up, she gave me a nice, long massage, and even had me scoot down the bed enough so she could get behind me and massage my head. So I have to say that, while she is not the most attractive, Nana did give me a nice, relaxing session.

I would add this, she asked who I had seen last time, so I said Bobbie. I'd been to Rio several times, but couldn't remember the names, and since I had hoped to see Bobbie, and I knew she was gone, I threw the name out. Nana said Bobbie was on vacation, and then seemed to say Bobbie was working. So I'm thinking they may use "vacation" to mean the person is simply not there. In this instance, I understood it to mean that Bobbie had moved on, but that she was still in the business. Then, Nana said to me: "Bobbie number 1, Nana number 2. " That made me wish I had met Bobbie, but it also made me appreciate Nana a bit more, as she seemed to recognize that she's not the most attractive girl out there, but she works hard to satisfy the customer. So in the end, I was glad I stayed, and I left feeling very relaxed, which was, after all, the purpose of my visit.

VanDriver
01-20-08, 21:38
Gold Spa has very pretty women, I'd recommend it. Prices are high, but well worth it for "massage". I got a Korean girl (I think they all are Korean there, I could be wrong). Was there 2 days ago, and yesterday, first time I didn't know what I was doing and only got a HJ but after that I went back yesterday and got it all.. Pretty girl, short, long black hair, I won't give out her name, but she looks like shes in her 20's. Go there for a great "Massage".

The other day I went to a place, paid something, and experienced something good. The person with whom I experienced this thing had blondish, red, yet sort of black hair that was curly, yet sort of straight. She had blue, or green, or brown eyes and a really hot body. But, I cannot tell you what her body looked like because I do not want to reveal too much. Damn, I just told you that she was a woman. I hope I did not give too much away.

If you go there, I would totally recommend you ask for her.

Van

A John
01-20-08, 21:42
Your not done reading.




A John, Also, whats the min/max amount to tip at Supra for just HJ/BJ service?

Rejected Monke
01-21-08, 05:01
Nice to meet you too. Her names Sugar, and it's $180 for everything.

Thanks. Can anyone confirm? Last time I went there, I only paid $160 and got the full hour, so I don't think it's a 30min/1hr price difference.

Rejected Monke
01-21-08, 05:09
Saw Hana at Supra. To be perfectly honest, I was pleased when she walked in. When she stripped, she didn't look as good. Not that her body is bad. I dunno, I guess she's the type of girl who looks better in bikini or clothes than nude. Maybe it's because any darker toned nail paint turns me off, and Hana's fingernails and toenails were jet black. Nice attitude, service is okay. She has her own unique take on the CBJ where she kind of bites down on your dick. Could be scary for some Would I repeat, no.

Dupont had it going on when they had Susie and Ruby and even Cherry, who I liked. Heck, I even liked their lineup when they were providing drive-thru speed service with Bebe, Coco, and Lee. Too bad an untimely visit by the police screwed it up a couple of months ago. Only girl I liked there since was Joon, and that was for her personality and chemistry. Her looks were only above average.

Saw Nari at 1818. She tried but her looks were definitely not my style. Okay face, shoulder-length curly black hair. Pale skinned. Small natural chest. Maybe 5'5" and slim. Nice girl who tried her best to keep a good attitude and provide good service. Would I repeat, no.

Sad to say, but even 1818 looks like it's suffering. Only Bunny is the standout in terms of looks. Unfortunately, I just didn't have chemistry with her. Then there's Nari, then there's three girls that all look the exact same with pale-skin and straight black hair with above average faces, except one is taller and chubbier than the others. The other two are shorter and smaller. If you threw Hana from Supra in there, they'd look like four sisters.

I'm starting to get depressed.

Anyone know the current lineup of Gold? If Gold can't help me, I'm going to have to go the escort route.

Mac Jones
01-21-08, 10:35
RM,

Angie at 14k was nice looking and felt great last week, if uninspired.

Whatever happened to the old fashioned "lineup" routine? A place in Nashville 7 or 8 years ago had that (not AMP but more modern brothel type) and I really appreciated having options.

Mac

Rejected Monke
01-21-08, 11:08
RM,

Angie at 14k was nice looking and felt great last week, if uninspired.

Whatever happened to the old fashioned "lineup" routine? A place in Nashville 7 or 8 years ago had that (not AMP but more modern brothel type) and I really appreciated having options.

Mac

Actually, I've seen Angie and have a report for her. While not blown away, I did like her and wouldn't mind repeating. However, Angie is now gone and it was Nana (from Gold/Supra/14K) and another lady there.

Its The Purple
01-21-08, 12:55
Thanks. Can anyone confirm? Last time I went there, I only paid $160 and got the full hour, so I don't think it's a 30min/1hr price difference.I know I wrote it, went there, and can confirm that you pay 30 for 30 minutes, 60 for an hour. That's the first question I asked. It's funny cause the first time I went there, they took 60 at the door, then after I got the table shower and massage, she told me if I want anything else, I told her I had $75 left, and that I would only get HJ. It's weird I paid $135 for a TS, Massage, and HJ, but for only $45 more you get everything.

Truth.

Linkletter2420
01-22-08, 17:09
Saw Vivi (or veevee) few weeks ago. Always funny for me going to gold since I used to frequent the ICM r&t in the same space years ago.

Gold has upgraded the place I would say and overall the quality of the establishment is good and it's clean.

Same mamasan as always. They have the stairs and exterior videocammed for your protection (? )

No lineup offered. Got Vivi. Younger than most providers. Meaning under 40, short (pushing 5 foot) but slender. Certainly decent-looking. Enhanced B's on display.

T/S was very throrough and acceptable, but nothing to report about; I prefer more sensuousness and attention in my T/S, a la B/T.

On return to room, was almost immediately asked what level of service and asked for any tip up front. I complied.

As for the rest, the scores are below.

Pros: she speaks good english and was allegedly raised here in the US (though she still has a strong accent). Retains some bush and accepts DATY

Cons: I would not return for this provider though because I felt the experience was rushed. I take a long time and there she was telling me it's time to come after like 10 minutes. I know it's a rough job but come on.

At the conclusion, she was pleasant enough.

Face: 8
Body: 8 (although I hate boob jobs)
T/S: 7
Massagi: 6
Other: 6

Junky11
01-22-08, 23:31
Hey everyone,

Can you tell me where is Supra is in DC? I tried searching for it ( on Conneticut avenue, thought i had the correct address from intel, but i think iwas wrong ) and didn't find it. Can someone PM me and help me find it.

I apologize if its right here in the forum and I haven't found it,but I'm still relatively new and looking to enjoy my first AMP. =)

Thanks

You couldn't find it? There's a massive blinking, red neon sign on top of the building that says GET LAID HERE NOW! Also search lights shine from its location with wailing sirens.

Tjunkyard357
01-23-08, 00:08
Earlier this week I met the Bob of Rio that people have raved about in the past. I know why. She was a sight for sore eyes. As to the TS, I felt like my back was only partially clean when she finished, but my front was fully clean. The relaxation session was very relaxing, although the preliminary muscle work was a little brief. After that, I simply found her mesmerizing.

7 on the TS; 9s otherwise.

Rusian Mong
01-23-08, 11:30
Thats right Junky! I'm' a rookie =) I just did a drive by to see where the place was, and thought there might be some asian parlor sign or something. Got a little freaked out when I saw a huge line outside some restaurant, thought maybe I'd have to push past those peeps to find it, " uh, excuse me. Trying to get to the AMP, duh. " I'm already a rookie, I don't want to be a jackass.

I'm sure I'll find it when I trek on foot, and have a sweet ol' time. I'll let ya'll know!


You couldn't find it? There's a massive blinking, red neon sign on top of the building that says GET LAID HERE NOW! Also spot lights shine from its location with wailing sirens.

Miamil
01-23-08, 18:25
I'm going to be in DC this coming Monday for an early morning interview and need some recommendations for MP for an afternoon de-stressor. I'll be in the Georgetown area but am pretty familiar with the city so I can metro to the best place. Please, either post some recommendations or send me some suggestions via PM. I'd greatly appreciate!

Nova Guy
01-23-08, 18:34
Found myself at Rio this afternoon. Mamasan immediately recognized me as a repeat customer. W/O me asking, she offered up Bobbie. Busy place. Hustled me into the Sauna for about 20 minutes to wait, then onto the waiting room and then onto the therapy room 15 minutes latter. Pretty much killed my lunch break there. =)

Bobbie was very pleasant on the eyes but I think I missed the hype train on this one. I think I just like them smaller (ALA old DT days). She had a weird band aid/patch on her back shoulder. Dunno what that was about.

TS was as described before. Backside cleaned but not supper thorough. Paid attention to the rim though which usually leads to a good does of AR. Frontside cleaned quite thoroughly. Minimal massage but prolonged finger - light touch muscel relaxation. No AR. Pretty standard fair on the flip. Not superstar action but her attitude was spot on. As it is with me, no DATY (by choice) and the standard CBJTCIM. I pretty much look for nothing more than that. I'm easy to please I guess. Standard house fee and college tuition donation.

Another quirk of mine is that I'm quick to get out. I'm not fond of hanging out and cuddling etc. Finish up, clean up and move on is what I'm about.....especially when I'm beyond my lunch hour. I had about 45 minutes in addition to wait time invested before I told her it was time for me to go. She said I had another 15 and really pressed me for it. I assured her it was alright and I was running a bit late....but truth be told, I just wanna get out (most of the time). Am I in the minority on this?

Overall, pleasant experience with Bobbie. Nothing that I will be running back for however. Guess I just missed the train. Don't get me wrong - she was very enjoyable and fun and energetic and appealing. Worth the fee's. Definitely above average but not mind blowing IMHO. She may be though in the other areas that I typically don't partake in.

-Nova Guy-

PS - I remember the first time I ever visited Rio....it was with LL. Fun fun night. Makes me chuckle to think about that.

Rejected Monke
01-23-08, 20:02
Overall, pleasant experience with Bobbie. Nothing that I will be running back for however. Guess I just missed the train. Don't get me wrong - she was very enjoyable and fun and energetic and appealing. Worth the fee's. Definitely above average but not mind blowing IMHO. She may be though in the other areas that I typically don't partake in.


Hmmm, I was considering visiting Rio, but now I wonder if Bobbie is Sasha who was at Supra short-term. First Laxman says a short-haired Cookie was at Rio (sounds kind of like Cookie from Supra), and now a Bobbie who seems to have similar stats and style as a girl named Sasha. Does she do a high-pitched voice and giggling thing?

Rejected Monke
01-24-08, 04:05
Asked for a lineup at Gold, got Susie and Bebe, both girls I've seen before. There was a third girl who was busy.

Yes, now even Gold has gone from five girls to three girls.

It truly is a downward spiral, and the US economy bombing isn't helping either. :(

LexLuther
01-24-08, 04:31
Rejected Monke,

I've got a great idea. I just returned from the southwestern part of our great country. The thing that always occurs to me when I fly is how fucking horrible an experience it is when you compare it to flying on an Asian carrier. Whenever I fly to Korea, for instance, I'm always impressed at how much I enjoy the flight, even when seated in coach. This is no doubt due to the fact that the stewardesses on KAL are invariably young, attractive, attentive, polite Korean ladies. I propose that some entrepreneur start an airline and hire AMP girls to be the stewardesses.

This will keep them employed during the recession to come. It will improve the flight experience for a lot of people and improve profitability for the airlines.

LexLuther

Nova Guy
01-24-08, 10:31
Hmmm, I was considering visiting Rio, but now I wonder if Bobbie is Sasha who was at Supra short-term. First Laxman says a short-haired Cookie was at Rio (sounds kind of like Cookie from Supra), and now a Bobbie who seems to have similar stats and style as a girl named Sasha. Does she do a high-pitched voice and giggling thing?

IMHO - Rio is almost always worth a visit as compared to some of our more sporadic establishments. I've never really been let down at Rio.

Regarding Bobbies voice, not sure. Didn't really pay attention as the majority of her talking was whispering and low. Didn't notice any giggling either. Correction - she walked out of the room giggling when I showed her my package then burst out into uncontrollable laughter when she made it into the hallway. J/K.

Its The Purple
01-24-08, 12:26
Asked for a lineup at Gold, got Susie and Bebe, both girls I've seen before. There was a third girl who was busy.

Yes, now even Gold has gone from five girls to three girls.

It truly is a downward spiral, and the US economy bombing isn't helping either. :(The other girl was probably with me. Sugar. Hehe

Drew Park
01-24-08, 20:38
It truly is a downward spiral, and the US economy bombing isn't helping either. :(

Just wait until all the mongers collect on their new economic incentive "rebate". All the K-girls will be wearing smiles... as will many mongers!

LexLuther
01-24-08, 20:54
Lou Dobbs (CNN) reported recently that the rebate (projected to be approx. $800.00 for an individual) will just increase the deficit since the things that people spend it for will mean that most of the funds go to foreign countries such as China.

I wonder how he would feel if he knew that 50% of the population would spend it on AMP girls in our great cities, like D.C..

LexLuther

Junky11
01-24-08, 21:41
Lou Dobbs (CNN) reported recently that the rebate (projected to be approx. $800.00 for an individual) will just increase the deficit since the things that people spend it for will mean that most of the funds go to foreign countries such as China.

I wonder how he would feel if he knew that 50% of the population would spend it on AMP girls in our great cities, like D.C..

LexLuther

LEGALIZE IT!

Jack B Nimble
01-25-08, 18:04
After some private discussions and some reservations, I'm going to post this review.

Had a great time with Mia at Gold. Young, fresh, pretty and all-natural. Somewhat quiet but very into the experience. Not quite a spinner by my definition but at around 5-6 and a slender 115 lbs still in the ballpark for me. More details by PM. Maybe not a superstar but very enjoyable. Treat her well.

I guess my reservations were that 1) she may get overrun and/or overwhelmed by the attention in view of the dearth of positive reviews. One of the senior members told me, and I'll defer to his judgment, that these girls are looking for more customers and reviews will help. And 2) I haven't gotten a whole lot of good tips from this board in recent months. Let's hope that changes.

One things to avoid ... the kabobs downstairs. Not quite as fresh.

Dewood
01-27-08, 11:22
Has anyone tried Jasmine?

Rolist
01-27-08, 16:27
I'm looking for the right number to this location and or name the number and name or not right

ICM
1829 M st NW, 2nd floor
Washington, Dc
(202)955-9060
24 hr

Sleazebum
01-27-08, 19:31
Just go there and try them out.

Report back here and tell us all what you found.

JJ


I'm looking for the right number to this location and or name the number and name or not right

ICM
1829 M st NW, 2nd floor
Washington, Dc
(202)955-9060
24 hr

Chaz
01-27-08, 20:32
Van Driver said, on January 20: The other day I went to a place, paid something, and experienced something good. The person with whom I experienced this thing had blondish, red, yet sort of black hair that was curly, yet sort of straight. She had blue, or green, or brown eyes and a really hot body. But, I cannot tell you what her body looked like because I do not want to reveal too much. Damn, I just told you that she was a woman. I hope I did not give too much away.

If you go there, I would totally recommend you ask for her.

Van

I loved that report. It was a response to some idiot, and it was perfect.

On January 24, LL talked about how flying on U. S. Flagged carriers sucks. I have to agree that it is the worst experience in the world. I fly all the time. I am a premier passenger with United, Northwest and Korean Air. Most of my travel is to Asia. When flying to China, Thailand, Korea, etc. , through Tokyo, the American carriers always have the old, fat, cranky flight crew. (There have been rare exceptions who have been great.) In Tokyo, the crew changes, and for the flight to the final destination, you have a young, attractive, attentive crew. It is a wonderful experience. Of course, when I fly ANA, Korean Air, Thai Airways or Asiana, you get the young, attractive, attentive crew all the way. It all boils down to job descrimination in this country. If your grandmother wants to continue flying the Washington to Tokyo route, they have to let her stay on. An entrepeneur who tries to do what LL suggests will face a lawsuit the next day. I should add that it's not just Asian carriers that provide this kind of service. I've flown South African Airways, and the flight attendants were young, attractive, and attentive, and the food was delicious, and even on short domestic flights, all of the above applied, as well as full bar service. When I fly for business I have to fly with the contract carrier, but wherever there is a code share and the equipment (I. E. , crew) is a foreign partner, I'm on it.

Ortho313
01-28-08, 14:22
ICM Body Concepts has been closed for some time.

Too bad, they had some nice ladies there.

Linkletter2420
01-28-08, 16:14
Has anyone tried Jasmine?Yea, the tea is awesome.

RTFF

Linkletter2420
01-28-08, 16:18
I'm going to be in DC this coming Monday for an early morning interview and need some recommendations for MP for an afternoon de-stressor. I'll be in the Georgetown area but am pretty familiar with the city so I can metro to the best place. Please, either post some recommendations or send me some suggestions via PM. I'd greatly appreciate!Try the Sharper Image in the Gtown Park Mall. They have these chairs that give you a full body massage for a few quarters and they rub you all over.

Nova Guy
01-28-08, 16:19
I'm going to be in DC this coming Monday for an early morning interview and need some recommendations for MP for an afternoon de-stressor. I'll be in the Georgetown area but am pretty familiar with the city so I can metro to the best place. Please, either post some recommendations or send me some suggestions via PM. I'd greatly appreciate!

A place called DOWNTOWN is the best place by far. Located at Vermont and K. If you are coming up from K, take a left on Vermont. 1/2 way up the block on the left. It is to the immediate right of a chinese restaraunt. Odd looking building - 4 floors. Looks vacant but it isn't. Go up to fourth floor and ring the bell. Just a warning - the stairs smell like p*ss.

Welcome to the forum and happy mongering!

Sleazebum
01-28-08, 18:33
Downtown always was my all time favorite!

JJ


A place called DOWNTOWN is the best place by far. Located at Vermont and K. If you are coming up from K, take a left on Vermont. 1/2 way up the block on the left. It is to the immediate right of a chinese restaraunt. Odd looking building - 4 floors. Looks vacant but it isn't. Go up to fourth floor and ring the bell. Just a warning - the stairs smell like p*ss.

Welcome to the forum and happy mongering!

MoonView
01-28-08, 19:35
Oh yeah and that stairway smell on one of those hot summer days, now that brings back some nice memories.

As I recall met the most wonderful Maya there, till she left for HI and broke my heart. That is till I met my ATF, Mimi at Happiness, this super lovely bent all the rules and kept me broke for about 2 years, but oh so worth EVERY penny. Those were the days!!

MnV




Downtown always was my all time favorite!

JJ

Max Beelyun
01-29-08, 23:41
I'm going to be staying in Manila for a month. Hot damn! I'll be staying at a place within walking distance from ABS-CBN (TV station), near the intersection of Timog Avenue and Tomas Morato streets. I'm not sure about transportation. Does anyone have any suggestions on good places to go, numbers to call, whatever? Or how to arrange a sleepover?

I'm going to post to the ISG forum too, but I'm dubious. I've been reading it for a few weeks now and it's not very informative. Lots of squabbling and talk about how to keep Filipinas from trying to trick you into marriage.

Obligatory report. Dreamed about 1413 last week, and a girl named Nana. Had lots of energy and they were slow, so it was about a 70 minute dream. In the dream, I had to stop the CBJ to keep it from being a 30 minute dream. Various positions, all good. I really like that woman. In my dream, I mean. She wanted to come with me on my trip, interestingly, but since she was a dream, it was not to be.

Its The Purple
01-30-08, 00:03
If I was at M Street, next to Camelots, how would I get to the "Health Spa"? I got lost last time I tried to find it.

Roamin Roman
01-30-08, 00:58
Purp, to save you the agony of RTTF replies and such, the best way to get the correct bearings would be to visit Google Maps with the addresses of Camelot and the Health Spa. Go to the 'Directions' tab, enter Camelot's address as your starting point and the Health Spa's address as your ending point. You'll be rewarded with a nice turn-by-turn map. I think they even have "walking times" on that site now, too. Good luck and have fun at the Forum.

R::R


If I was at M Street, next to Camelots, how would I get to the "Health Spa"? I got lost last time I tried to find it.

Max Beelyun
01-30-08, 01:22
If I was at M Street, next to Camelots, how would I get to the "Health Spa"? I got lost last time I tried to find it.
You go up the steps right next door. Then up another set of steps, if I recall correctly.

Rejected Monke
01-30-08, 01:53
If I was at M Street, next to Camelots, how would I get to the "Health Spa"? I got lost last time I tried to find it.

Can anyone please confirm the accuracy of this guy's posts.

First he comes up with a ridiculously vague post about Gold being more expensive. Then he claims that it's $30 for 30 minutes. Then he claims he saw "Sugar", while the lineup seems to have been Susie, Bebe, and Mia.

And now he suddenly claims he got lost and doesn't know how to get to Gold.

I have my doubts, so please prove me wrong!

Jake Jj 1492
01-30-08, 10:16
Can anyone please confirm the accuracy of this guy's posts.

First he comes up with a ridiculously vague post about Gold being more expensive. Then he claims that it's $30 for 30 minutes. Then he claims he saw "Sugar", while the lineup seems to have been Susie, Bebe, and Mia.

And now he suddenly claims he got lost and doesn't know how to get to Gold.

I have my doubts, so please prove me wrong!
I agree, it sounds suspect to me too...especially the $30 for 30 minutes.

DickAllMighty
01-30-08, 13:27
Had a dream about Michelle at the one triple three. Great body. Not too skinny and not too thick, just right, and about 5'6"/7". Pretty friendly attitude. TS was very thorough, which rose my expectations. Started right out with a "soft" massagi (the best kind). But alas, there was no AR. Then a strange thing happened during CBJ. She refused to BLS. This is a first in all my years dreaming. Then don't know if that was the reason or if she was just not especially skilled, but the rest of the dream was just kind of average. Great body, great attitude, but not an especially memorable dream.

Rusian Mong
01-30-08, 14:26
Dreamt of breaking my AMP cherry with a sweet girl named "cherry". Gave me a big hug, very responsive to all my suggestions. tight lil titties ( B's? )were just right, nice lil butt. Me likey.

Wouldn't cowgirl me though, and no CBJ to finish me off. All in all i'm glad i finally got my arse to the one triple 3.

My rookie rating would be this

Face: 8
Body: 7 ( a little baby fat. although i loved it )
T/S: 7
Massagi: 6
Perfomance 6-7 ( very sexy , but no Cowgirl and CBJTC detracts from the score )

If I wasn't such a horn dog for variety, I would defintely go back to have some sweet cherry.

I hope i never wake up.

Any Mouse
01-30-08, 16:54
I agree, it sounds suspect to me too...especially the $30 for 30 minutes.I did see Sugar there last week, or was it 2 weeks.

Oh well, we shall see about the 30 minutes!

Great Expecta
01-30-08, 23:04
I'm going to be staying in Manila for a month. Hot damn! I'll be staying at a place within walking distance from ABS-CBN (TV station), near the intersection of Timog Avenue and Tomas Morato streets. I'm not sure about transportation. Does anyone have any suggestions on good places to go, numbers to call, whatever? Or how to arrange a sleepover?

I'm going to post to the ISG forum too, but I'm dubious. I've been reading it for a few weeks now and it's not very informative. Lots of squabbling and talk about how to keep Filipinas from trying to trick you into marriage.

Obligatory report. Dreamed about 1413 last week, and a girl named Nana. Had lots of energy and they were slow, so it was about a 70 minute dream. In the dream, I had to stop the CBJ to keep it from being a 30 minute dream. Various positions, all good. I really like that woman. In my dream, I mean. She wanted to come with me on my trip, interestingly, but since she was a dream, it was not to be.


I spent quite a few nights in Manila and surrounding...

Two great places to go (all on INT WSG)... EDSA Complex consists of a two-story building with bars throughout. TONS of girls in there.... Typical bar fine (pay to the bar so the girl can leave) is about 1,500 pesos ($30) and the girl will be between 2,000-3,000 pesos ($40-60) for the night of total sex.

Next is LA Cafe and this is where the free lancers work. They'll run 2,000-3,000 pesos for LT (Long time = overnight). You don't have to pay the bar fine and you can really get a good girl there.

You can go into any one of a hundred other places where the girls are on display and grab one for 2,000 for the bar fine AND girl.

I would highly suggest getting out of Manila (VERY high crime and just nasty) to outlying areas. Send me an IM and I'll give you the URL of a resort 3 hrs away close to the old Subic Bay Naval Station. The place is Bario Baretta and you can find hundreds of girls for 1500 pesos TOTAL....for the entire night.

Have fun...can't wait until I can go back.

GE

Sleazebum
01-31-08, 16:31
Keep them coming!!

JJ


Dreamt of breaking my AMP cherry with a sweet girl named "cherry". Gave me a big hug, very responsive to all my suggestions. tight lil titties ( B's? )were just right, nice lil butt. Me likey.

Wouldn't cowgirl me though, and no CBJ to finish me off. All in all i'm glad i finally got my arse to the one triple 3.

My rookie rating would be this

Face: 8
Body: 7 ( a little baby fat. although i loved it )
T/S: 7
Massagi: 6
Perfomance 6-7 ( very sexy , but no Cowgirl and CBJTC detracts from the score )

If I wasn't such a horn dog for variety, I would defintely go back to have some sweet cherry.

I hope i never wake up.

Junky11
01-31-08, 18:23
Its amazing how many people I hear going in and out of an AMP in the short time that I am visiting. (Doors closing, voices, "plz wait before going in hallway", etc.) Then when I look at how many posts there were for the same amp during roughly the same time period -I see none. I would estimate that less than 10 percent of mongers post their experience.

Also, is this wrong? I enter the AMP with a great look of sadness glued on my face. On the way to the TS, the provider asks "is everything ok?" I answer "doctor says I have cancer, this will be the last time I make love to a beautiful woman". And then its incredible.

Maclovin
02-01-08, 09:06
I've been to G on M St three times in the last week and its. 60 up front. Mia is my girl, but Suzie is more wild. I have been doing the AMP thing for about a month so I am still learning the best spots to get a well needed massage. Rio is okay, but could use a new TS room, but Bobbie made up for it.

Max Beelyun
02-01-08, 09:08
Went around the circle and up to the fourth floor. Wanted Ruby or Tara but I knew that wasn't going to happen. Got Joy. Average everything in looks, but a very nice smile. Those seeking spinners or eye candy would be greatly disappointed. Decent massage. Decent performance. Would repeat if there was no one else. Fine, but unremarkable, so not much to say.

Phantom572
02-01-08, 10:54
Its amazing how many people I hear going in and out of an AMP in the short time that I am visiting. (Doors closing, voices, "plz wait before going in hallway", etc.) Then when I look at how many posts there were for the same amp during roughly the same time period -I see none. I would estimate that less than 10 percent of mongers post their experience.

Also, is this wrong? I enter the AMP with a great look of sadness glued on my face. On the way to the TS, the provider asks "is everything ok?" I answer "doctor says I have cancer, this will be the last time I make love to a beautiful woman". And then its incredible.Amps are busy places, I hear all kinds of conversations and F%*king noises many times while visiting mps. Some mongers need a gag shoved in their mouths during the deed. I crack up from the porno star wannabees who think they are impressing the women with their mattress mating songs hehehe. SHUTUP! :rolleyes:

Spinnerluvr
02-01-08, 13:03
Its amazing how many people I hear going in and out of an AMP in the short time that I am visiting. (Doors closing, voices, "plz wait before going in hallway", etc.) Then when I look at how many posts there were for the same amp during roughly the same time period -I see none. I would estimate that less than 10 percent of mongers post their experience.

Also, is this wrong? I enter the AMP with a great look of sadness glued on my face. On the way to the TS, the provider asks "is everything ok?" I answer "doctor says I have cancer, this will be the last time I make love to a beautiful woman". And then its incredible.Yes its wrong, its like you are wishing cancer on yourself.

A John
02-01-08, 16:52
I know alot of guys I mean alot who do not even know this site is here.



Its amazing how many people I hear going in and out of an AMP in the short time that I am visiting. (Doors closing, voices, "plz wait before going in hallway", etc.) Then when I look at how many posts there were for the same amp during roughly the same time period -I see none. I would estimate that less than 10 percent of mongers post their experience.

Its The Purple
02-01-08, 22:30
Can anyone please confirm the accuracy of this guy's posts.

First he comes up with a ridiculously vague post about Gold being more expensive. Then he claims that it's $30 for 30 minutes. Then he claims he saw "Sugar", while the lineup seems to have been Susie, Bebe, and Mia.

And now he suddenly claims he got lost and doesn't know how to get to Gold.

I have my doubts, so please prove me wrong!Uhm, being more expensive, I never said that. I said I think $180 is expensive. They said $30 for 30 minutes, but I've always asked for an hour. And yes, I have been with Sugar 2 times, but when I went back the 2 other times, I asked for sugar, and they said she was on vacation, and this was a week, week and a half ago they said shes on vacation. I got Bebe when they said Sugar was on vacation, and then I visited again and got Mia, which I think Mia is the best so far. Never been with Susie, or seen her.

Its The Purple
02-01-08, 22:40
You go up the steps right next door. Then up another set of steps, if I recall correctly.That's the M Spa, not the Health Spa. Some guy was trying to show me where the health spa was like 2 blocks away from Golds, but I was focused on Golds that night. He said Health Spa is $140 for everything instead of $180 at Golds.

And to Rejected Munky I think, I said I got lost and couldnt find Health spa.

Im looking at Google Maps, and it looks like its 1.4 miles away, called the "Olympic Health Spa"... But im not sure if that's the one or not?

Member #2718
02-02-08, 00:00
I'm going to be staying in Manila for a month. Hot damn! I'll be staying at a place within walking distance from ABS-CBN (TV station), near the intersection of Timog Avenue and Tomas Morato streets. I'm not sure about transportation. Does anyone have any suggestions on good places to go, numbers to call, whatever? Or how to arrange a sleepover?

I'm going to post to the ISG forum too, but I'm dubious. I've been reading it for a few weeks now and it's not very informative. Lots of squabbling and talk about how to keep Filipinas from trying to trick you into marriage.Since Manila is my main stomping ground I can tell you that you picked an unusual hotel for a westerner to stay at (though as I think about it, if mongering is your main goal, its perfect). That area usually just gets the locals. There is plenty of street action, especially along Timog and on nearby Aurora Blvd after the sun goes down. If your into clubs, Pegasus and Classmates should be a short distance away and meet your needs. I highly recommend you check out the many Massage establishments, my favorite is Starfleet (I'm partial to the Wet Thai body massage available in the VIP section) with Flight 168 (attached to the Airforce One nightclub) but both of those are in Paranyaque which is quite a distance from your hotel (as is the EDSA complex and just about everything else that Great Expecta mentioned). Closer to you would be Wilderness Sauna on Quezon Ave which is also highly recommened.

As you begin to enjoy your trip into Adult Disney Land just remember that as far as the ladies are concerned you look like a combination walking ATM and potential Green Card so you could really have just about anyone you see if you act the gentlemen and play your cards right. You will soon understand why guys who visit Adult Disney land often comeback with far less tolerance to the B#tathy attitudes of Americans of the female gender. The choice is simple, do you put up with the American bimbos baggage or choose door number 2 where even a raggedy old fart such as myself can be treated like a god by some beautiful sweet young thing who will at least provide me the show you crave (of course if you make the mistake of exposing her to the American Female way of thinking, things usualy go downhill from there fast, but there are many more filipinas ready and waiting to take their place. Enjoy the field trip.

Chaz
02-02-08, 01:11
Nice report, just one thing missing. It doesn't mean much if you don't say where you were. Or did you just pretend?


Dreamt of breaking my AMP cherry with a sweet girl named "cherry". Gave me a big hug, very responsive to all my suggestions. tight lil titties ( B's? )were just right, nice lil butt. Me likey.

Wouldn't cowgirl me though, and no CBJ to finish me off. All in all i'm glad i finally got my arse to the one triple 3.

My rookie rating would be this

Face: 8
Body: 7 ( a little baby fat. although i loved it )
T/S: 7
Massagi: 6
Perfomance 6-7 ( very sexy , but no Cowgirl and CBJTC detracts from the score )

If I wasn't such a horn dog for variety, I would defintely go back to have some sweet cherry.

I hope i never wake up.

Ravane
02-02-08, 04:02
Nice report, just one thing missing. It doesn't mean much if you don't say where you were. Or did you just pretend?I think he did, Chaz. I'm not much of an AMP goer myself, but I think he said he was at one triple three. Even I picked up on it.

Selah!

Rocket R
02-02-08, 08:46
Nice report, just one thing missing. It doesn't mean much if you don't say where you were. Or did you just pretend?I'm just going to have to hit all of our haunts Cherry picking.

Rocket

Aeolus
02-02-08, 09:16
i will 2nd max's report on joy. I saw Joy on Friday. She is skinny but TALL korean girl. I would say like 6'1 or something like that? Tallest AMP girl I have ever seen. The (.)(.) are real and not ($)($), which I liked. She had a nice personality and decent performance. Although, I think just average in looks and good personality / performance.

Rusian Mong
02-02-08, 13:41
It was at Supra.


Nice report, just one thing missing. It doesn't mean much if you don't say where you were. Or did you just pretend?

Corsair88
02-02-08, 22:14
What would you guys do given this scenario:

Your being given TS by a provider you like and then they ask you if its ok to switch providers? Do you guys agree to the switch or not?

I'm thinking if you demand to stick with your girl that you'll have a bad dream but then you never know what you'll get if you switch. Dunno about you guys but have any of you experienced this?

Just wondering.

DcDonkey
02-03-08, 00:44
Been there a bunch of times and never had a bad experience but I don't doubt you. What did this provider look like?
It was so long ago I don't really remember, but she wasn't that good looking.

DcDonkey
02-03-08, 00:46
Made my first trip there last week and I had a good time. The action included BBBJ, is this the norm there?

Solitaire One
02-03-08, 02:30
I stopped by Gold and was met by a girl named Susie/Sooji/Suzy. She said that I could call her Sushi if I had a hard time remembering. She was about 5'4" or 5'5" and maybe around 110 pounds. I wasn't really expecting much in terms of looks when I first saw her as her face is kind of plain, but as soon as she took off her bikini, her body was slamming! Really hot tight and tanned body with perfectly shaped fake tits and long slender legs. She laughed a lot while giving me massage and kissing my body saying "oooh ahhh your turn to make sexual noise! " She licked up and down my shaft and flicked her tongue on the head, but she had a condom on her tongue which she put on with her mouth. Lovely time.

Rejected Monke
02-04-08, 02:32
Supposedly February is historically the least lucrative month of the year so I'm hoping that once the weather begins to warm up, a whole slew of hotties come back to DC. A bunch of (unrelated) busts and crackdowns have happened in Connecticut, New York (actually, they frequently get busted in NYC), Florida, and California. Perhaps DC will once again become the destination of choice.

Let's cross our fingers!

Rusian Mong
02-04-08, 14:08
Hello fellow Mongers.

I was looking to try out Golds today, but it said it was closed untill 2pm. Thats just too long for a monger to wait! So I headed upsatairs to Therapy M.

Was greeted by a lady wearing something like a summer dress (bad sign 1). Was taken to a room, I asked if I could see who was working, she said everyone busy. I paid the house fee, she left and came back.

I wasn't too happy to have her and was thinking about gettin a refund or how to get out of this without offending (advice or direction in the Forum from seniors would be appreciated, otherwise I will RTFF respectively), but went ahead to see if maybe she was a firecrakcer.

Her name was KIM, and she was really really bad for me. Horrible 5 minute massage, then flips me, I'm ready to go of course, but all I want from her is BJ. I say I have. 4 and she starts to complain like a little child. I know it wasn't much, but I didn't get a TS, had a 5 min massage, and she wouldn't get naked. No way I'm paying full price for crappy service. I ended up gettin very boring HJ for. 4, got the hot towel, and was happy to get the hell out.

Face: 3
Body: 3 ( looked good, but was fully clothed and wouldn't let me touch anything but the heine. )
T/S: NONE!
Massagi: 1
Perfomance 2

Basically, I don't advise anyone to go see her, IMHO

Munk

Grae Traveller
02-04-08, 20:58
I went to the Wisc Ave floatation spa the other day. I've been going there, off and on, for years when I wanted a change from the AMP scene. I asked for a lineup and was shown 2 old and fat to choose from. I asked about a young thing that had worked there within the last couple of months and was told she would be ready soon. The owner (mama-san if this were from the far east) came in after my shower and said that S would not be available because she had to leave, and seeing as I wanted a massage anyway, I decided on the best of the rest. She goes by Salomon (I think) and gave a perfuncory backrub and on the flip she asked if I wanted to be massaged there. I accepted. She did a good job and held me in check for a bit before letting me relax. I had pulled out house money and an additional. 3, but she wanted 1. In addition to the room fee. I was, shall I say, stunned. I ended up doubling my cash with the excuse that it was all I had, but I swear I will never go back. An institution in NW is no more to be visited by me.

CabDriver52
02-05-08, 13:24
Allow me to erase this place off the chalk board.

I had an idea the other day (yeah. Scary I know).

We should come up with some type of card, maybe just colored with maybe green or blue and maybe one stripe for HJ, two stripes for BJ, on and on. Presented with a tuition installment I think it might work. It would save the whining of the providers for dudes who don't want FS. Maybe throw a star on the card. Who knows.

Acceptance between all the AMPs might be tough. Plus the girls who don't speak english. Just an idea.

No speaking at all for simplicity. Maybe presented with the house fee to mamasan. She knows and can send in the girl that's good at whatever the monger is into that day.

It's designed to keep both parties happy.

Cabbie!


Hello fellow Mongers.

I was looking to try out Golds today, but it said it was closed untill 2pm. Thats just too long for a monger to wait! So I headed upsatairs to Therapy M.

Was greeted by a lady wearing something like a summer dress (bad sign 1). Was taken to a room, I asked if I could see who was working, she said everyone busy. I paid the house fee, she left and came back.

I wasn't too happy to have her and was thinking about gettin a refund or how to get out of this without offending (advice or direction in the Forum from seniors would be appreciated, otherwise I will RTFF respectively), but went ahead to see if maybe she was a firecrakcer.

Her name was KIM, and she was really really bad for me. Horrible 5 minute massage, then flips me, I'm ready to go of course, but all I want from her is BJ. I say I have. 4 and she starts to complain like a little child. I know it wasn't much, but I didn't get a TS, had a 5 min massage, and she wouldn't get naked. No way I'm paying full price for crappy service. I ended up gettin very boring HJ for. 4, got the hot towel, and was happy to get the hell out.

Face: 3
Body: 3 ( looked good, but was fully clothed and wouldn't let me touch anything but the heine. )
T/S: NONE!
Massagi: 1
Perfomance 2

Basically, I don't advise anyone to go see her, IMHO

Munk

Sleazebum
02-05-08, 15:24
I had something like that happen to me once in a DC AMP some time ago. On the way out I mentioned it to the Manager and she told me to come back the next day for a free special.

I returned the next day and had one of the best ever sessions at any spa - FOR FREE!

So, TELL THE MANAGER and you will probably get something good to make up for the bad.

JJ




Hello fellow Mongers.

I was looking to try out Golds today, but it said it was closed untill 2pm. Thats just too long for a monger to wait! So I headed upsatairs to Therapy M.

Was greeted by a lady wearing something like a summer dress (bad sign 1). Was taken to a room, I asked if I could see who was working, she said everyone busy. I paid the house fee, she left and came back.

I wasn't too happy to have her and was thinking about gettin a refund or how to get out of this without offending (advice or direction in the Forum from seniors would be appreciated, otherwise I will RTFF respectively), but went ahead to see if maybe she was a firecrakcer.

Her name was KIM, and she was really really bad for me. Horrible 5 minute massage, then flips me, I'm ready to go of course, but all I want from her is BJ. I say I have. 4 and she starts to complain like a little child. I know it wasn't much, but I didn't get a TS, had a 5 min massage, and she wouldn't get naked. No way I'm paying full price for crappy service. I ended up gettin very boring HJ for. 4, got the hot towel, and was happy to get the hell out.

Face: 3
Body: 3 ( looked good, but was fully clothed and wouldn't let me touch anything but the heine. )
T/S: NONE!
Massagi: 1
Perfomance 2

Basically, I don't advise anyone to go see her, IMHO

Munk

Rejected Monke
02-05-08, 21:26
I had an idea the other day (yeah. Scary I know).

We should come up with some type of card, maybe just colored with maybe green or blue and maybe one stripe for HJ, two stripes for BJ, on and on. Presented with a tuition installment I think it might work. It would save the whining of the providers for dudes who don't want FS. Maybe throw a star on the card. Who knows.

Acceptance between all the AMPs might be tough. Plus the girls who don't speak english. Just an idea.

No speaking at all for simplicity. Maybe presented with the house fee to mamasan. She knows and can send in the girl that's good at whatever the monger is into that day.

It's designed to keep both parties happy.

Cabbie!

I guarantee that except for slow days, HJ and BJ cardholders will be turned away at the door. Most of these places operate by having the girls take turns (and if some guy requests a girl, that girl misses her next turn) and they are severely disappointed when some guy shows up not wanting the whole thing. That's why they try to rip you off by inflating the prices way over HJ/BJ only places, sometimes even asking for the full $100.

It doesn't make sense, since if they took everyone (HJ, BJ, FS), there would be more customers, thus more turns, thus the chance of more money. But I guess they don't want to risk being the person on Wheel of Fortune who keeps spinning "Bankrupt" or "Lose a Turn".

I remember seeing a post about how it seemed like the most popular girls were being kept from the customers, and the reason for this is this turn system. The popular girl has to make the exact same amount of money (not counting extra tips) as the other ugly girls and this always causes friction.

Bseeks
02-05-08, 21:28
Had a great time with Mia at Gold.

One things to avoid ... the kabobs downstairs. Not quite as fresh.

I have been RTFFing for the last half hour and have seen several posts about "Golds". I have lived in DC, and travel to your fair city some, and have a decent posting record, so I am going to ask for some advice.

I am in DC tomorrow. I was going to go to the place with the red door, but I haven't seen anything posted recently. I saw a positive on 1433. I have had adequate service there, but the past few visits have been mediocre. If Golds is new, and near my hotel (Embassy on 9th), I will give it a try.

The comment about the kabobs got me thinking. K and 11 (?) had a place years ago, above the kabob house in the grey stone building that looks like a church, on the top floor. Is this golds? That would be a lovely find, particularly if it's good, as this is ground zero for where I often stay.

Help is appreciated, thanks.

Rejected Monke
02-05-08, 21:46
I'm a little drunk and bored so I might as well throw out another epiphany I had. If you think about it, a lot of us, myself included, fall into this trap of thinking of these massage parlor workers as poor, innocent girls who just ventured down the wrong road. But I was watching a few Korean movies this past weekend on www.crunchyroll.com (English subtitles) and now my view has changed a little bit.

I now get the feeling that a good portion of these massage parlor girls were the bitches in these movies who beat up other girls and sometimes guys at school, drank and smoked all the time, used guys for money or whatever, never cared about an education, lied and cheated their way through life, and had little to no morals.

Of course, it was due to these lack of morals that allowed them to enter this lifestyle (seriously, what sane woman chooses this line of work, no matter how desperate for money - check out all the Korean girls working at dry cleaners, delis, and restaurants). And perhaps as they get older and older, and lose a little bit more pride everyday due to fucking random guys, they are much more humbled. Some become nicer as a result... Some don't.

I used to wonder if being a worker hardened some of these girls. Now I wonder if they didn't become a worker because they were already hardened. By the way, you'd be surprised at how some of the most beautiful girls with the sweetest personalities in the massage parlor turn out to be most spoiled, selfish, and rotten people outside of the work place.

Consider that even Koreans themselves believe their girls are the biggest two-faced people in the world... I wonder how much more so it is for girls who choose this line of work. Of course, there are always exceptions.

On the flip side, I wonder how we could analyze the psyche of ourselves, the johns. We can try to rationalize it all we want, but the truth is, we ourselves are not normal. Normal guys don't go to massage parlors or pick up hookers on a regular basis. They rather blow $160 on getting drunk with a 1 in 10 chance of getting laid. We are the minority.

Just a thought.

Zhuxi
02-05-08, 23:00
I'm a little drunk and bored so I might as well throw out another epiphany I had. If you think about it, a lot of us, myself included, fall into this trap of thinking of these massage parlor workers as poor, innocent girls who just ventured down the wrong road. But I was watching a few Korean movies this past weekend on www.crunchyroll.com (English subtitles) and now my view has changed a little bit.

I now get the feeling that a good portion of these massage parlor girls were the bitches in these movies who beat up other girls and sometimes guys at school, drank and smoked all the time, used guys for money or whatever, never cared about an education, lied and cheated their way through life, and had little to no morals.

Of course, it was due to these lack of morals that allowed them to enter this lifestyle (seriously, what sane woman chooses this line of work, no matter how desperate for money - check out all the Korean girls working at dry cleaners, delis, and restaurants). And perhaps as they get older and older, and lose a little bit more pride everyday due to fucking random guys, they are much more humbled. Some become nicer as a result... Some don't.

I used to wonder if being a worker hardened some of these girls. Now I wonder if they didn't become a worker because they were already hardened. By the way, you'd be surprised at how some of the most beautiful girls with the sweetest personalities in the massage parlor turn out to be most spoiled, selfish, and rotten people outside of the work place.

Consider that even Koreans themselves believe their girls are the biggest two-faced people in the world... I wonder how much more so it is for girls who choose this line of work. Of course, there are always exceptions.

On the flip side, I wonder how we could analyze the psyche of ourselves, the johns. We can try to rationalize it all we want, but the truth is, we ourselves are not normal. Normal guys don't go to massage parlors or pick up hookers on a regular basis. They rather blow $160 on getting drunk with a 1 in 10 chance of getting laid. We are the minority.

Just a thought.

Amen brother.

I'll get back to ya on that PM. ;)

Baltimonger
02-05-08, 23:06
I now get the feeling that a good portion of these massage parlor girls were the bitches in these movies who beat up other girls and sometimes guys at school, drank and smoked all the time, used guys for money or whatever, never cared about an education, lied and cheated their way through life, and had little to no morals.


You just described all my ex-girlfriends.

Naples
02-06-08, 05:04
Noted weird behavior of Global Triangle BID workers at Dupont (yellow jacket workers/assistors usually just giving information) with one male taking pictures with camera for no apparent reason. Perhaps it is paranoia - anyone ever see any similar activity?

Thesailor
02-06-08, 14:09
Made my first trip there last week and I had a good time. The action included BBBJ, is this the norm there?Not the norm at most AMP's. Usually covered. I haven't been offered BBBJ in a while.

Who did you see?

Cigarguy
02-06-08, 16:39
Ok, I'm one of those slugs that RTFF and doesn't post. I understand your 'tudes, but the Catholic guilt trip won't work on me. I'm going to hell anyway for much worse offenses, and a number of y'all will be there with me.

Joy. Let me 'splain.

I had climbed up there twice in Jan (not easy for us FOGs) and seen 'Cherry' as mentioned previously here (tall girl, hard, store bought Bs). The first time (1st week of Jan) she was calling herself 'June'. The first session was at 11pm at night and lasted only 40 mins. TS ok, not much time wasted on massage, so plenty of activity during that session anyway. She wasn't rushing me, but she was a very busy girl. I had to slow her down, but she was a 'happy girl' too and was aiming to please. After, she told me there were only 2 girls that night and, of course, "come back early in day and I take care of you". So.

A couple of weeks ago, I get there about 11:15am, arrive at the door (panting as usual) and I'm asking for June. Mamasan knows not of whom I speak, so I say "tall girl" and she marches in Joy. (oh my. Did I mention that I like tall girls? Well really, I like all girls, but a tall asian lady? Oh my.) There was that moment where she didn't know me, I didn't know her, and just then, June/aka/Cherry pops in the door. She recognizes me and the deed is done. No Joy for me that day, but ms Cherry is a hard worker. Actually, the shower was busy at that moment, so she asks "you want shower after? " I'm like "sure". Ms Cherry was out of uniform and on patrol immediately. A good time was had. (I should mention she went up into cowgirl on her own.) Some mish, a doggie (her on the table) finish and then (after some recovery) went to the TS. All in all, it was very relaxing. I could have napped in my car.

There is a reason for all of this. Standby.

On this Monday past, I took some $ that I shouldn't be spending, took the best pain pill I had ½ hour before hitting the steps, and arrived (mildly panting- I was pacing myself) at 1:30pm. The Mamasan recognizes me and I ask for 'Joy'. She nods yes and looks a little suprized. She asks "how you know her name? " The fiasco from the last week of 'who's who and 'tall girl' was too much to explain, so I say "the internet" ('cause I scarfed the intel here) and her eyes get real wide, but she smiles, nods and "OKs" her way out of the room.

Finally, Joy. I'm 6' tall, and she's every bit of that. She is not skinny by any stretch, she is statuesque. She has a baby doll face and lovely smile. Just perfect nat Bs with pencil eraser nips that would be Cs on your typical 5'2" AMP spinner. Best for me was the happy attitude. It never hurts to have fun. (Well, sometimes.) TS was typical of what we expect. In the room, she sees the Benajmin and says "you want everything? " "Yes, Ma'am" I did tell her no massage, but could she scratch my back a little and that was a fine choice. On the flip, we get to some BB shaft licking and some major league testicle slurping. No AR. She had no condom technique. There was no doubt what she was doing. (I think they get extra small condoms just to make us think we're having a good day.)

Once comdomized, she went to work on Old Rusty. I let her go, I wasn't going to stop her. She was at it quite some time before she realized it was time to move on. I did request some DATY. She seemed hesitant, but consented. I wasn't there to lay the big slurp on her, I just wanted a good mental picture of the view. (an artful trim job.) She's as pretty on that end as she is on the other. I was only there for a couple minutes, but during that, it sure felt like I was getting DT'd and as best I could see in the mirror, it wasn't her hand.

I should mention 'the view'. Now, YMMV but, this girl is beautiful. When she's up on her hands and knees crawling around on top of you, she is a sight to behold. Her long dark hair, her long torso, the way her nat breasts lay when she's in any position had me looking in the mirror more often than usual (and she knew it).

Went to mission at her request, her on table, me standing. Quite a sight with her feet as high as my head. I love a doggie finish, so I asked and she was ready, though she was going to get on her hands and knees on the table. Not. Her ass was up to my chest. Once we were all on the floor, she was a perfect fit. I was trying to milk it for awhile (and did- I had great grip access to those swaying breasts) but eventually it was time for the express. I did grab her by the hips and really got in there deep. She tried to re-adjust lower, but I told here I had her where I wanted her. Later, she told me I was a gentleman. Well, I'll guarantee I was no gentleman that last 2 minutes.

Then, I had my usual collapse, only to be woken by the hot towel. She did curl up and cuddle for 5 mins or so. I wanted to be giving her a major breast exam and be running my finger down the crack of her ass, but I guess I was 'being a gentleman'. Next time, maybe not. Session 50-55 mins.

So, here's the punch line, if you're still with us. After dressing me, most lovingly, she asks "you on internet? You give me good review? " AH-HAH!

Brothers, it seems internet reviewers might get taken care of a little better than the rest of the rabble. So here I am kissin' ass 'cause I promised Joy I'd post for her. I want some more, but funds will be limited for some time. I hope she's still there when I get back.

(Should I hold up a convience store just to go Asian trickin'? Just kidding officer.)

*****

I might not post again for another 5 years, so I'll give you what small intel I have. Can't help you with AMPs, I'm here for your intel. Street action. (no, I ain't posting it over there. Read it here.) Most depressed neighborhoods around DC have local SWs. NE and SE. I don't really know NW. Around the Trinidad area, there is action day and night, but you need to look like you belong there. If you're an outside the beltway dude, don't do it.

All along WV ave, Montello and Trinidad, Florida on on end, MT Olivet on the other. Most are BSWs but there is a skinny blonde white girl usually working WV. On the other board (here), previously refered to "Good Booty Julie" is really "Good Booty Ms Judy". (The poster must have mis-heard.) Two of my home boys on Penn started calling her "Good Booty", and when they told me her name was really "Judy", she was forever "Good Booty Ms Judy". She uses the name herself. She's a little dark, a little thick (not fat) and is usually in a good mood. We say she gives the 'best head in Trinidad'. Her routine is that she takes all her clothes off, and then wants you to stand. Then, she goes down and goes to work. Also, GBMJ will be glad to use most any orafice. Like Mom says, "wear yer rubbers".

Another girl mentioned was "B". (Don't know her real name. Everybody has a street name. And you don't pick it, it's given to you.) "B" with big jugs is cool "as long as she's not lunchin' out" as my guy puts it. Most here are crack girls and can be had for $7 and a couple af smokes, but not if they don't know you. If a girl is standing on the corner, waving her arms and yelling at you, that's "lunchin", don't do it.

BTW, for those that are hood acclaimated, Tuesdays and Thursdays are "jump out" days in Trinadad. (Plain clothes LE that jumps out and spot checks you. Goes through your pockets. No, it's not legal, it's DC.)

Another hood is the area around MLK and Malcolm X and the row homes back in there. You best know your way around to cruise these areas. The 'after midnight', K and 14th crew is not for me. 3 jacks for head, 5 or more for ½ & ½, I can't do it. I'd rather save it for Joy.

Actually, I'm a SW Baltimore/Brooklyn cruiser. 1 jack for head, 2 for ½ & ½, tip if they let you finish, most BJs are BB, and the prices haven't changed for 20 years. I go back to the 'Trashman' days on the Baltimore board (that was some sad shit) and I must thank y'all for all of the free information I've sucked out of you for years. Especially you DC AMP guys.

Sad losses.

CPHC- Sugie set the standard for AR and Proctology 101 in the shower. I saw Paula twice (in the stereo shower) but never in a room. (Did I mention that I like tall girls? )

Sun- I was addicted to Honey's warm room last winter, and Ms Honey would work me over good. And there was only one set of steps!

*****

I wish you all good luck and a lady with a positive attitude.

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Junky11
02-06-08, 17:17
I'm a little drunk and bored so I might as well throw out another epiphany I had. If you think about it, a lot of us, myself included, fall into this trap of thinking of these massage parlor workers as poor, innocent girls who just ventured down the wrong road. But I was watching a few Korean movies this past...
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. They rather blow $160 on getting drunk with a 1 in 10 chance of getting laid. We are the minority.

Just a thought.

Many providers are driven solely by greed. Money Money Money.

NY Jimmy
02-06-08, 17:39
I'm a little drunk and bored so I might as well throw out another epiphany I had. If you think about it, a lot of us, myself included, fall into this trap of thinking of these massage parlor workers as poor, innocent girls who just ventured down the wrong road. But I was watching a few Korean movies this past weekend on www.crunchyroll.com (English subtitles) and now my view has changed a little bit.I don't agree with everything you said. There are more than one million girls in Korea in this line of work and they account for more than 10% of the country's GNP (I have seen up to 20% in some Korean new papers). It is a lousy job, but they make good money. I have been to Korea 30 times and I speak the language (somewhat) so I strike up a conversation with them (in Korea and in the US) and find out what city or part of Korea they come from and ask about their family. Many come from middle class families. I don't try to ask why they do this because it will just spoil the mood. However, when I have tried to do this, many of them say it's the money and some don't want to talk about the topic. I have also seen hobbyists in Korea (during the day, they are accountants, teachers, etc.) that do this for the money (I went out with some of them). They are very nice, educated and polite. I am sure that this is a small minority, because I having a hard time finding them.

The bottom line is that these girls probably have very divers backgrounds some are in it for the money and some because they have to do it. There were also stories in Korean news papers that girls that have large credit card debt pay or are forced to pay by working in some of these parlors.

As for us mongers, I completely agree with your opinion.

Gene Simmons 2
02-06-08, 17:53
I read on CL about a place on Ontario St. NW Washington DC. Has anyone visited there? It's listed as Latin House. Write back if you have any experience or if it's and LE set up.

Any Mouse
02-06-08, 17:58
Gold was closed yesterday (as noted below), but Today, the sign says "closed for renovtation" or some such.

Yesterday, 1333, 4th floor was very much open, and Michelle was nicer than normal. (An aside: Where have all the spinners gone?) After asking for "small girl" in walks Michelle. Nice enough, mid 30's, all natural B's, with a pooch for a tummy. Session was OK with standard DC touches, good massagee, fair TS, with the rest of the alphabet performed in satisfactory manner. No K9 (she was too tall for me), and Mish was ok only with a pillow placed under.

Today, 1333, 1st floor was great. (The red Door) Saw Misha, skinny, mid 30s, small top, but 5'5, crooked teeth, but nothing a dentist couldn't fix for 10K or so. Very enthusiastic, and for the gentleman below asking if BBBJ was the norm there, evidently it is with this lady. Cover placed afterward and a wild ride for CG ensued. When done, we were both sweating like hogs, and she had to get a fresh wet towel to cool us down. Nice ride and nice time. Will be back.

Rejected Monke
02-06-08, 18:55
Gold was closed yesterday (as noted below), but Today, the sign says "closed for renovtation" or some such.

Yup, looks like Gold will be closed for at least a month.


Yesterday, 1413, 4th floor was very much open, and Michelle was nicer than normal. (An aside: Where have all the spinners gone?) After asking for "small girl" in walks Michelle. Nice enough, mid 30's, all natural B's, with a pooch for a tummy. Session was OK with standard DC touches, good massagee, fair TS, with the rest of the alphabet performed in satisfactory manner. No K9 (she was too tall for me), and Mish was ok only with a pillow placed under.

Did you mean 1333?


Today, 1413, 1st floor was great. Saw Misha, skinny, mid 30s, small top, but 5'5, crooked teeth, but nothing a dentist couldn't fix for 10K or so. Very enthusiastic, and for the gentleman below asking if BBBJ was the norm there, evidently it is with this lady. Cover placed afterward and a wild ride for CG ensued. When done, we were both sweating like hogs, and she had to get a fresh wet towel to cool us down. Nice ride and nice time. Will be back.

Thanks for the intel. I know 1413 was having problems retaining girls due to lack of customers, but thanks to your information, hopefully girls like Misha will be able to stay a long, long time. And if she's able to make money, other top-shelf girls will hear about it and start coming back to DC for their share. Who knows, maybe Misha will earn enough money to fix those teeth, buy a new rack, and return to DC as a true superstar.

Just like a stock market, the booms and busts are all about momentum.

Bseeks
02-07-08, 00:27
I am in DC tomorrow. I was going to go to the place with the red door, but I haven't seen anything posted recently.



Red door was very nice. Didn't get her name. Never do, but it was very nice.

Pre-massage, cracked out the kinks.
Table shower, all the right spots.
brief massage, including A/R, which was a first for me in an AMP, very sensual
Brief DATY, another first, I usually don't, but she was so sweet.
Flip, all the right stuff, .
Kissing - nice.
Continuous, nice, fake, but believable "o"
finish hr.
post shower.
The whole ritual of putting my socks and shoes on for me and buttoning my shirt.

Looks good, tall 5-7 (?)
firm natural or very good fake B's.

Another first. no money talk until after. All around good.

Jack B Nimble
02-07-08, 09:48
Finally some good info from the crew ... Anymouse, can you clear up a couple of things coz you mention Green in heading but then 1413, then 1st floor and 4th floor. A bit confusing.

Any Mouse
02-07-08, 12:53
Finally some good info from the crew ... Anymouse, can you clear up a couple of things coz you mention Green in heading but then 1413, then 1st floor and 4th floor. A bit confusing.Drat! My fingers must have still been asleep. Make that 1333 1st and 1333 4th, sorry.

Any Mouse
02-07-08, 12:57
Did you mean 1333? Yup ... Sorry


Thanks for the intel. I know 1413 was having problems retaining girls due to lack of customers, but thanks to your information, hopefully girls like Misha will be able to stay a long, long time.

Misha was definitely not happy about the volume of business she was getting. She has family here, and wants to make a lot of money to help mom get surgery.

Big Daddy Don
02-07-08, 13:33
Misha was definitely not happy about the volume of business she was getting. She has family here, and wants to make a lot of money to help mom get surgery.Yea yea, mom needs an operation, lil' sister needs to get through college to be a rocket scientist, the dog has cancer. It's never that I need to pay off some debt and save enough money to retire before my pussy wears out!!

MrSunnyHills
02-07-08, 19:12
Saw an add in City Paper for Brazilian/Argentina. They were close to DuPont circle station, so I thought I'd go for the lunch try. .75/hr. So when I get off the elevator on the 6th floor, I realize it's more of an office type set up. Hmmm - I thought about bolting, but I like massage anyway. I go in, and it's combined with a makeup place, with glass windows just like a Dr's office.

So anyway, a rather short, dark haired gal (Argentina, or central America...?) takes my money and has me get undressed and cover with a towel. She actually looked quite nice, but was dressed in nurses scrubs. Anyway, the massage table was professional, the room was warm, the music was nice, and the massage was absolutely first rate. She massaged pretty much most places, but I didn't get a warm and fuzzy that anything else is available. I should have asked, but I may if I go back. (given the quality of the massage, I probably will).

Anyone else been there? I also saw a short blonde in similar dress.

Readerx
02-08-08, 21:07
Hi,

I had the opportunity to visit Nana at 13 today. I had known her in the distant past at a place called DT. Got way over an hour of TLC as I am of the "Come early; come often" philosophy. I was there about 10 minutes after opening. Anyhow, I like the soft touch and she remembered. Man did she remember! Soft all over both with fingers and other things. She laid back and enjoyed my ministrations also. It was a great time. Will return. Soon.

BTW: I asked her about all the moving around of the providers. She indicated it may be over, at least for her. She said she would be at 13 for "a long time".

Have fun

Public Access
02-09-08, 13:28
These are the results of the 2006 federal sting throughout northeastern United States that are relevant to the DC area as of February 9, 2008. A total of 31 brothel owners and managers were charged. Of those charged, 13 were from the Washington DC area. Of those arrested, all entered a guilty plea but 6. Of the 6 that entered a not guilty plea, 4 were from DC area. All 31 were found guilty.

14K
Two individuals were charged, but only one was arrested. The individual entered a plea of not guilty and was later found guilty by a jury. Sentence is expected to be as long as 5 years, and stiffer than for those who entered a guilty plea.

Downtown
Of the three individuals charged, two were arrested. One individual was sentenced for 5 months (not a typo) and has already finished her sentence. No reason could be discerned for the short sentence. The second individual will be sentenced next month.

OK Spa
One individual was charged and arrested. She entered a not guilty plea and was later found guilty by a jury. Sentence is expected to be as long as 5 years, and stiffer than for those who entered a guilty plea.

Cleveland Park Holistic Health
Two individuals were charged and arrested. One individual was sentenced to no prison time with the understanding that she would be deported immediately. The other individual entered a not guilty plea and was later found guilty by a jury. Sentence is expected to be as long as 5 years, and stiffer than for those who entered a guilty plea.

Royal Spa
The individual charged was never arrested.

Sun VIP
One individual was charged, and though she entered a not guilty plea, matters concerning this individual are confusing as records do not indicate that she was a defendant in the trial by jury, and the verdict did not directly apply to her. However, a request was made by her attorney that the results of the trial be applied to her. Records show that she agreed to forfeit property in New York to the United States of America after she entered a not guilty plea but before any trial took place. She has yet to be sentenced.

Moonlight
Two individuals were charged and arrested and received sentences of 15 months and 18 months.

Sensual Intentions / Magickkal
One individual was charged and received a shorter sentence of 12 months by agreeing to partake in drug rehabilitation and assisting local police in capturing her husband. Her husband had attempted to avoid parole retake by fleeing to New York after charges were filed against him for identity theft and offenses related to prostitution. Her husband had been serving parole for past convictions including first-degree rape, third-degree rape, and kidnapping.

Sleazebum
02-09-08, 15:48
I just wanted all of you to read the report I just posted in the NoVa Escort thread.

Go see her! GREAT TIMES!!!

JJ

CommonSense
02-09-08, 16:32
There were five that went to tial not six. All five were found guilty by a jury. But the judge was very unhappy with the feds case because they tried to distort the facts. At the end of the trial, the judge said he was not going to sentence these five like the ones who had plead guilty, meaning it would be less than 10 months. (the average sentence was 10 months for those who plead guilty.)

If you caught the Sunday article in the post a few months back it was very interesting about the whole human traffic issue. These non profits like the Polaris Group were suppling the feds with info based on info from the internet They were being given huge grants and all they did was surf the net looking for bogus info on human trafficing.

The prosecution looked really stupid because they actually believed these girls were being forced to work. Everyone of them said they could leave anytime they wanted.

The ironic part was that this all occured in the manhattan district of NY.

Now the korean spa girls feel safest doing their work in manhattan and the stupid prosecution thinks they cleaned it up. If you take a look at Eros the korean/asian thread you can see that that is where all the hottties have gone.

It is a train ride away if you are interested.

Commonsense

Friendly1
02-09-08, 22:05
P.A.:

Thanks for that update. I think many of us believed that the charges would be dropped, but not so, I guess and some pretty stiff (no pun intended) sentences. Wow! All-in-all, not many were arrested. I wonder if some were just hauled in and deported, or did some of the girls at the places that were raided just get released?

Rejected Monke
02-09-08, 22:18
P.A.:

Thanks for that update. I think many of us believed that the charges would be dropped, but not so, I guess and some pretty stiff (no pun intended) sentences. Wow! All-in-all, not many were arrested. I wonder if some were just hauled in and deported, or did some of the girls at the places that were raided just get released?


The girls were never arrested. Many did get deported and many were used to testify, but the sting was mainly focused on the owners, managers, and middlemen.

A John
02-09-08, 23:46
I beg to differ! Absolutely no disrespect whatsoever.

However there were girls arrested some others did agreed to testify at which point were released within a week after the initial problem under supervision via regular lawyer interviews. Granted temporary status in the state's.

Those who refuse to testify were charged and deported one of which even die in a holding cell she was a cook mama who's health condition was poor. One was married to an American citizen and chose to go back to Korea.

There was approximately 30 to 40 some girls from Pennsylvania, CT, Washington D.C. and New York who would not testify held in the cells from New York across the country to Albuquerque NM.

Some of which I know for a fact set in a holding cells almost nine months too one year before getting to go home. Some even begged to pay for their own flights just to get the hell out of their and they were denied.

I would have to say this is being arrested. I personally sent canteen money for phonecards and mailed Korea books to many of them.

As stated the main focus was on the owners, managers, and middlemen.

For what it's worth.

AJ


The girls were never arrested.

Friendly1
02-10-08, 01:05
I appreciate the update. I didn't know any who were taken in, I don't think, other than the manager who had been at Happiness and who was at 1413 when it was hit. She was still wanted the last I knew.

Jake Jj 1492
02-10-08, 01:41
I beg to differ! Absolutely no disrespect whatsoever.
...
Some of which I know for a fact set in a holding cells almost nine months too one year before getting to go home. Some even begged to pay for their own flights just to get the hell out of their and they were denied.

RM & AJ, you may actually both be correct. The lucky ones and the ladies with lawyers may have gotten off quickly, but some were arrested, and others simply held without charges...for long, agonizing weeks and months on end...only to be deported with nothing but the clothes on their back.

Rejected Monke
02-10-08, 04:01
I beg to differ! Absolutely no disrespect whatsoever.

However there were girls arrested some others did agreed to testify at which point were released within a week after the initial problem under supervision via regular lawyer interviews. Granted temporary status in the state's.

Those who refuse to testify were charged and deported one of which even die in a holding cell she was a cook mama who's health condition was poor. One was married to an American citizen and chose to go back to Korea.

There was approximately 30 to 40 some girls from Pennsylvania, CT, Washington D.C. and New York who would not testify held in the cells from New York across the country to Albuquerque NM.

Some of which I know for a fact set in a holding cells almost nine months too one year before getting to go home. Some even begged to pay for their own flights just to get the hell out of their and they were denied.

I would have to say this is being arrested. I personally sent canteen money for phonecards and mailed Korea books to many of them.

As stated the main focus was on the owners, managers, and middlemen.

For what it's worth.

AJThanks AJ, it's always good to have someone clarify the facts.

Sleazebum
02-10-08, 09:53
I think some of us were charged with something in all this mess too. Is that true? Does anyone know if any of the customers of these places were busted, and if so, what the outcome is?

This has got me a little nervous about things.

Any info on any customers who may have been busted?

JJ


These are the results of the 2006 federal sting throughout northeastern United States that are relevant to the DC area as of February 9, 2008. A total of 31 brothel owners and managers were charged. Of those charged, 13 were from the Washington DC area. Of those arrested, all entered a guilty plea but 6. Of the 6 that entered a not guilty plea, 4 were from DC area. All 31 were found guilty.

14K
Two individuals were charged, but only one was arrested. The individual entered a plea of not guilty and was later found guilty by a jury. Sentence is expected to be as long as 5 years, and stiffer than for those who entered a guilty plea.

Downtown
Of the three individuals charged, two were arrested. One individual was sentenced for 5 months (not a typo) and has already finished her sentence. No reason could be discerned for the short sentence. The second individual will be sentenced next month.

OK Spa
One individual was charged and arrested. She entered a not guilty plea and was later found guilty by a jury. Sentence is expected to be as long as 5 years, and stiffer than for those who entered a guilty plea.

Cleveland Park Holistic Health
Two individuals were charged and arrested. One individual was sentenced to no prison time with the understanding that she would be deported immediately. The other individual entered a not guilty plea and was later found guilty by a jury. Sentence is expected to be as long as 5 years, and stiffer than for those who entered a guilty plea.

Royal Spa
The individual charged was never arrested.

Sun VIP
One individual was charged, and though she entered a not guilty plea, matters concerning this individual are confusing as records do not indicate that she was a defendant in the trial by jury, and the verdict did not directly apply to her. However, a request was made by her attorney that the results of the trial be applied to her. Records show that she agreed to forfeit property in New York to the United States of America after she entered a not guilty plea but before any trial took place. She has yet to be sentenced.

Moonlight
Two individuals were charged and arrested and received sentences of 15 months and 18 months.

Sensual Intentions / Magickkal
One individual was charged and received a shorter sentence of 12 months by agreeing to partake in drug rehabilitation and assisting local police in capturing her husband. Her husband had attempted to avoid parole retake by fleeing to New York after charges were filed against him for identity theft and offenses related to prostitution. Her husband had been serving parole for past convictions including first-degree rape, third-degree rape, and kidnapping.

Corsair88
02-10-08, 23:20
Went to Rio and saw brandy. Looked young, tall, and a bit meaty.

Good TS but was a bit hesitant to wash the right areas. Massage was ok but not great. Was a good girl. Missionary, cowgirl, and doggie. Ok to repeat.

TripleE
02-11-08, 10:23
Sorry to hear you had a crap experience there recently. I was in a couple weeks ago (didn't get a chance to post, so I suppose this counts) and had no problem.

I got a white girl who looked a little hippy-ish, but had a great personality and did a great massage on everything. I'd have preferred someone darker, but she did a good job, and that's just a personal preference. I handed her something like. 5 plus the house, at the very end, and she had no issues. I'd totally go back as I've been twice now, and both times were fine.

I'll keep my eyes out for S though. She sounds bad.


I went to the Wisc Ave floatation spa the other day. I've been going there, off and on, for years when I wanted a change from the AMP scene. I asked for a lineup and was shown 2 old and fat to choose from. I asked about a young thing that had worked there within the last couple of months and was told she would be ready soon. The owner (mama-san if this were from the far east) came in after my shower and said that S would not be available because she had to leave, and seeing as I wanted a massage anyway, I decided on the best of the rest. She goes by Salomon (I think) and gave a perfuncory backrub and on the flip she asked if I wanted to be massaged there. I accepted. She did a good job and held me in check for a bit before letting me relax. I had pulled out house money and an additional. 3, but she wanted 1. In addition to the room fee. I was, shall I say, stunned. I ended up doubling my cash with the excuse that it was all I had, but I swear I will never go back. An institution in NW is no more to be visited by me.

Rusian Mong
02-11-08, 13:35
Greetings everyone.

Went to the 4th floor today at the 1333, they were closed for remodeling. ((Sigh)) Was hoping for a good massage today.

Does "remodeling" actually mean they are changing the insides, or that something else is going on?

Regards,

Ian Dokkaebi
02-11-08, 21:52
AJ,

You are right on the money!

Those who testified are having a difficult time finding work. I know of one who is working in the west coast.

Within the next 8 months, availability in our area will slowly dry-up. At least two locations may close. That's my $0.02; don't spend it all on one place.

Ian


I beg to differ! Absolutely no disrespect whatsoever.

However there were girls arrested some others did agreed to testify at which point were released within a week after the initial problem under supervision via regular lawyer interviews. Granted temporary status in the state's.

Those who refuse to testify were charged and deported one of which even die in a holding cell she was a cook mama who's health condition was poor. One was married to an American citizen and chose to go back to Korea.

There was approximately 30 to 40 some girls from Pennsylvania, CT, Washington D.C. and New York who would not testify held in the cells from New York across the country to Albuquerque NM.

Some of which I know for a fact set in a holding cells almost nine months too one year before getting to go home. Some even begged to pay for their own flights just to get the hell out of their and they were denied.

I would have to say this is being arrested. I personally sent canteen money for phonecards and mailed Korea books to many of them.

As stated the main focus was on the owners, managers, and middlemen.

For what it's worth.
AJ

Max Beelyun
02-12-08, 00:27
Went to the 4th floor today at the 1333, they were closed for remodeling. ((Sigh)) Was hoping for a good massage today.

Does "remodeling" actually mean they are changing the insides, or that something else is going on?

A girl told me they were having cash flow problems.

Rusian Mong
02-12-08, 15:59
Please tell me that they aren't going to be shutting down. I just started and have really enjoyed it!

How can I find out about Supra/Golds opening back up? I'll help with their cash flow!

Rusian Mong ( hopefully soon )

Admin
02-12-08, 19:39
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

Rejected Monke
02-12-08, 21:00
Please tell me that they aren't going to be shutting down. I just started and have really enjoyed it!

How can I find out about Supra/Golds opening back up? I'll help with their cash flow!

Rusian Mong ( hopefully soon )

Cash flow problem?

Not only were we stingy with tips, but girls were actually BEGGING (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=615487#post615487) for reviews yet we chose to be selfish about any treasures we may have found.

Now we are reaping the consequences. February is typically a slow month, but it has never been this awful. Don't blame it on the recession either because other cities seem to be dealing with it okay. The only advantage we have left is that girls are being busted all over California, Connecticut, and Florida, thus making DC perhaps an attractive destination once again. When a couple of fine ass girls do trickle back in the spring, I'm going to reiterate that you follow these rules if you want more quality girls to visit.

1. Tip more for girls you like more. An extra Jackson is enough to distinguish a girl you like from average to below average girls.

2. Share your reports with others instead of being secretive and trying to keep her to yourself, because soon you'll rather be jacking off at home instead of visiting the massage parlor if she leaves due to lack of customers.

If you don't follow rule #1, that's fine. We all have our reasons. However, there's NO EXCUSE for failing to follow rule #2.

Anyway.

I stopped by 1818 and saw a girl that I already forgot the name of. Yes, that is how lackluster it was. She looked young and had a youthful face. Some may like it, but I didn't find her very attractive. About 5'6", pale-skinned, youthful body, and not much of a chest. Nice personality but the session itself was standard and nothing to write home about. Her idea of cowgirl was shuddering for ten seconds then telling me to get on top. Would I repeat? No.

Jake Jj 1492
02-13-08, 10:45
Cash flow problem?

Not only were we stingy with tips, but girls were actually BEGGING (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=615487#post615487) for reviews yet we chose to be selfish about any treasures we may have found.

Now we are reaping the consequences. February is typically a slow month, but it has never been this awful. Don't blame it on the recession either because other cities seem to be dealing with it okay. The only advantage we have left is that girls are being busted all over California, Connecticut, and Florida, thus making DC perhaps an attractive destination once again. When a couple of fine ass girls do trickle back in the spring, I'm going to reiterate that you follow these rules if you want more quality girls to visit.

1. Tip more for girls you like more. An extra Jackson is enough to distinguish a girl you like from average to below average girls.

2. Share your reports with others instead of being secretive and trying to keep her to yourself, because soon you'll rather be jacking off at home instead of visiting the massage parlor if she leaves due to lack of customers.

If you don't follow rule #1, that's fine. We all have our reasons. However, there's NO EXCUSE for failing to follow rule #2.

Anyway.

I stopped by 1818 and saw a girl that I already forgot the name of. Yes, that is how lackluster it was. She looked young and had a youthful face. Some may like it, but I didn't find her very attractive. About 5'6", pale-skinned, youthful body, and not much of a chest. Nice personality but the session itself was standard and nothing to write home about. Her idea of cowgirl was shuddering for ten seconds then telling me to get on top. Would I repeat? No.
Well said RM...

As the market gets more compressed, it's as important as ever to report bad as well as good. So, doing my duty...even thought they will be brief:

A venture to 10th Street (the only one left there):
Yumi - about 5'6"...135#, curves are muted by gut...i.e. - kind of fat.

Her smile seemed genuine, but her face (because of very thick and unnatural looking makeup) was worse than her acting. Hurry up and finish was the theme. TS was thorough but lukewarm, massage was brief and not so great, main event was worse, cleanup was with tissue only...and didn't raise a finger to hand me shirt, shoes or anything. Then she says (despite giving standard fs tip for full hour up front) okay, you're happy, so give me more! Pulls down her bikini top and says put something in both sides. So, given her attitude and incredibly brief session, I pull two Washingtons out of my pocket. I would have felt bad about that, but, she was already given more than she should have gotten.

Positives: tats show that she may have been wild a few years ago.
Negatives: 30 min session despite no other customers, THICK makeup, not very clean feeling...kind of sweaty and clamy, begging for more money.
Bonuses: none.
Repeat: no.

And a trip to 14th Street:
Candy - about 5'4"...130#, curves are muted by lack of waist...i.e. - thick.

I've never had a bad time at this place, but never anything spectacular either. I guess I should have had a name in hand and called ahead, because luck of the draw did not smile on me. Visually, I never would have picked this girl out of a lineup. She warmed up a bit as time went on, but still, she's heavier than I like. No makeup, so maybe that would have made a difference. TS was okay, but very splashy. Brief sauna, then off to the room for a decent massage. On the flip, she asked what I wanted and then left and came back and told me to show her a good time. That's exactly what I did. Multiple positions with a full-length mirror on the side to keep an eye on things. Overall, not bad, but, I prefer younger and prettier girls. Will repeat if the local scene gets too bad.

Positives: Attitude (after warming up), no rush...but 10min shy of an hour, all natural body, quality massage.
Negatives: Beyond "thick," not very pleasant at first...scowling even.
Bonuses: none.
Repeat: maybe, but I doubt it.

Rejected Monke
02-13-08, 10:48
Well said RM...

As the market gets more compressed, it's as important as ever to report bad as well as good. So, doing my duty...even thought they will be brief:

Thanks for the reports!


A venture to 10th Street (the only one left there):

Then she says (despite giving standard fs tip for full hour up front) okay, you're happy, so give me more! Pulls down her bikini top and says put something in both sides. So, given her attitude and incredibly brief session, I pull two Washingtons out of my pocket.

LOL! That's classic! What was her reaction?

Jake Jj 1492
02-13-08, 11:07
Thanks for the reports!



LOL! That's classic! What was her reaction?

She smiled of course. She was already given more than enough...and she answered my smile with her own. To be honest, she may not have even looked until after she got back to her room.

Oh - And, I think it's ironic that a girl from the 4th floor was asking for a review (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=615487#post615487). The last two or three superstars (since their reopening) were pushed out because of the positive reviews and the repeat customers. I heard from multiple sources on both sides that their "policy" was that if a girl got too popular, she had to go as she was stealing business away from the other, less spectacular girls.

That's why the superstars weren't there long - at the 4th floor anyway...too much business...not too little.

Who am I referring to as superstars? Mickey (http://usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=569286&highlight=mickey#post569286) & Tara (http://usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=580039&highlight=tara#post580039) were two of them. Man, I'd love to see either of them again...

Rejected Monke
02-13-08, 11:42
Oh - And, I think it's ironic that a girl from the 4th floor was asking for a review (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=615487#post615487). The last two or three superstars (since their reopening) were pushed out because of the positive reviews and the repeat customers. I heard from multiple sources on both sides that their "policy" was that if a girl got too popular, she had to go as she was stealing business away from the other, less spectacular girls.

The last line says it all. They probably weren't forced to go because they were bringing in "too much business", it was more likely due to friction in the workplace, whether it be a jealous girl or a stuck-up superstar who knows she's hot stuff. My guess is that the manager was playing favorites with the "less spectacular girls" and that's why the "superstars" got cut. Yes, just like the real world, the most talented people don't always last in the workplace - it's usually the people who are best at sucking up.

Rejected Monke
02-15-08, 00:27
Went to 1818 and got in just before closing time and was given Tina. I had read a few posts mentioning her name going back last year but never met her before. The reports about her looks are true, she has a nice tanned but not dark body and a pretty face. Only negative is that I can't rate her looks higher because of her bangs (reminds me of the female version of the male bowl cut). Maybe the next time she visits the hair salon, I can rate her looks at least an 8.

Very friendly and talkative as she gave a thorough massage. On the flip, I got a clear look at her naked body which was pretty good eyecandy. Kissed up and down my body. Some CBJ before hopping on for cowgirl where she remained for a good bit before asking me to get on top. That's a plus, I've found the girls I enjoy the most are the ones who don't half-ass cowgirl for ten seconds before asking to switch. Went to doggy and then missionary. She wasn't very flexible, but oh well. Her breasts definitely feel nice, though they are fake.

Can anyone versed in plastic surgery explain why some girls have rock hard tits while others feel plush? And a better question is, why don't they all choose the plush feeling ones?

Afterwards, she was very cuddly and playful which is always a great touch. Session itself was standard fare but her personality and attitude were great. I will rate her looks higher if she gets a better hair-do (unless the bangs are there to cover some sort of grotesque demonic horn).

Repeat? Yes.

If you go to 1818 and are looking for a pretty girl, I say go with Mina (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=593931&postcount=1799) or Tina. Servicewise, your mileage may vary as I see Tina does have a bad review (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=593880&postcount=1796). The only reason Mina and Tina are still working in DC is because both live in the area. Even if business is slow, it's convenient for them to stay near home. The other two girls at the establishment are Annie (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=617720&postcount=2187) and Cherry. Not surprisingly, I found neither very pretty.

Max Beelyun
02-16-08, 11:48
Sorry about the username change. Better safe than sorry.

Before I headed to Manila, I decided to squeeze one more in with Nana at 1413. Pun intended of course. Man I love that woman. She can CBJ like no one I've met (though Ruby was pretty good too...). Multiple positions for a long time, finally finished with HJ (condom was annoying me). Nice massagi afterwards. I've said it before, but in case you're new here -- Nana is not a little spinner hottie. She's tall, pretty, slightly thick, energetic, and service oriented. I've always had a good time with her and I've never felt rushed.

Anyway, Manila is a monger's dream. I wish all of you were here!

DickAllMighty
02-16-08, 15:33
Alright help me out here. I've always thought the standard rate is $. 6. That's. 6 for the house, and $ for the service. I've never paid more than this, and that was how much I paid about a month ago in my last dream. I went to 3rd floor M for the first time last night and was charged $$ total, . 6 for the house, and $. 4 for the service.

I went up and drew Suzy. Long curly highlighted/dyed hair. About mid 30s, and thin. Right away I gave the. 6 house fee. Then it was TS and massagi. At this point she asked for the service fee. I gave $ and she asked for. 4 more. This is certainly not the first time a girl has asked me for more money, so I tried to confirm the $. 6 total price with her. But she insisted it was $$ and asked "who told me" it was $. 6 total. I wasn't about to haggle over price while standing at attention inside an AMP after a massagi, so whatever, I just forked it over.

The experience was good but pretty standard. The TS wasn't even as "thorough" as the average. Afterwards, I told her I've never paid more than $. 6, and she said that "everybody's different". She's a nice and friendly girl, but the price tag has me confused.

My last dream before this was only about a month ago. Did rates suddenly go up? Or does this particular place (3rd floor M) or girl just usually charge more? Help me out here. If rates have gone up, I might consider retiring for the time being.

Jake Jj 1492
02-17-08, 01:27
Alright help me out here. I've always thought the standard rate is $. 6. That's. 6 for the house, and $ for the service. I've never paid more than this, and that was how much I paid about a month ago in my last dream. I went to 3rd floor M for the first time last night and was charged $$ total, . 6 for the house, and $. 4 for the service.
3rd floor has always been higher and women MUCH older. At least you got a young one...

The one time I ended up there, it was .8 for the house and $.4 for tip...minimum.

I got Young (what a misnomer) who was maybe 50 years old and maybe 160 lbs...at 5'4" Thinking it was the mamasan, we exchange the normal greetings and pleasantries as I expect the next step for her to bring in a lovely, young massage therapist to take care of my stress.

On the way to my assigned room however, I see something disturbing...it's a lady that could be no younger than 60 years old...in a string bikini. Eeek! This woman was maybe 5'7" and couldn't have weighed more than 70 lbs. I saw a couple more ladies on the way to the room...and they looked no better.

It was a less than happy experience, but, at the time, it was the only place still open...and the fever had me...so, lesson learned.

Big Daddy Don
02-17-08, 01:35
Went by 1333 to see Suzy and found that she was on "vacation". Bummer. New Ajima let me in. Since girls were busy she tried to give me shower but I refused and said I would wait. Met by Candy. Not spectacular but not ugly. OK TS as she washed very good but was not gentle. Back to the room and she gave a strong but unskilled massage. No AR despite the double wash. Then she went straight for the lube. I told her not too because I wanted some fun first and actually had to grab her hand to stop her. She whined and complained about DATY, even told me that I was "spoiled", so I decided that I should cut my losses and leave. Luckily I had not paid in advance. She was unfriendly and not very GFE. I just got the bad vibe from her all around. Of course when I got dressed to leave she was all over me with appologies and saying how much she wanted me. I guess she was missing the $ that I didn't leave her.

I refuse to pay for poor service. I told Ajima on the way out that the service was no good but did not ask for the house fee back since this was my first time meeting her. I am sure the old Ajima would have taken care of me.

Does anyone know where Suzy went?

Jake Jj 1492
02-17-08, 03:38
Does anyone know where Suzy went?
No idea where Suzy went BDD, but I ended up at Green tonight and saw Misha (http://usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=615519&highlight=misha#post615519). This was my second visit with her and she's nice and all, but not spectacular...I guess I see her after you guys have worn her out, because she's far from energetic...and no BBBJ. Not knocking her, she's got a nice body and personality, but...

While I was there a younger cutie with big tatas kept peeking into the shower room during my TS. Any of you have an idea who that may have been? Ahjima had said before that they had three new girls: May, Sue and Candy...so I have to assume it was one of them. She looked like one to see...fresher than any I can recall at this venue. I hope it wasn't Candy given BDD's experience.

Sleazebum
02-17-08, 09:43
If the rate goes up it will be because we let it go up!

DO NOT PAY more than $ for FS!! If they want more than that simply refuse!

Never take more than $.6 into these places and you will not be tempted to overpay.

For every one that wants to overcharge you can find 10 that will not!

JJ


Alright help me out here. I've always thought the standard rate is $. 6. That's. 6 for the house, and $ for the service. I've never paid more than this, and that was how much I paid about a month ago in my last dream. I went to 3rd floor M for the first time last night and was charged $$ total, . 6 for the house, and $. 4 for the service.

I went up and drew Suzy. Long curly highlighted/dyed hair. About mid 30s, and thin. Right away I gave the. 6 house fee. Then it was TS and massagi. At this point she asked for the service fee. I gave $ and she asked for. 4 more. This is certainly not the first time a girl has asked me for more money, so I tried to confirm the $. 6 total price with her. But she insisted it was $$ and asked "who told me" it was $. 6 total. I wasn't about to haggle over price while standing at attention inside an AMP after a massagi, so whatever, I just forked it over.

The experience was good but pretty standard. The TS wasn't even as "thorough" as the average. Afterwards, I told her I've never paid more than $. 6, and she said that "everybody's different". She's a nice and friendly girl, but the price tag has me confused.

My last dream before this was only about a month ago. Did rates suddenly go up? Or does this particular place (3rd floor M) or girl just usually charge more? Help me out here. If rates have gone up, I might consider retiring for the time being.

Big Daddy Don
02-17-08, 09:57
If the rate goes up it will be because we let it go up!

DO NOT PAY more than $ for FS!! If they want more than that simply refuse!

Never take more than $.6 into these places and you will not be tempted to overpay.

For every one that wants to overcharge you can find 10 that will not!

JJ


I have to agree with SB on this. Some think that overpaying will bring in better talent. I think the talent is fine but they need to be reminded that we are paying them two dollars a minute (on top of the house fee) and expect good service for it. Just like my last experience. I walked out. If she is not going to provide good service then someone else will get my money.

Dr Knob
02-17-08, 11:55
First post on this forum. Lots of good info here! Still not savvy about all the jargon. E. G. Where's 1818?

Went to 1413 for the first time yesterday in a LONG time. Hadn't been there since the Big Bust of 2006. I was surprised to be greeted by a voice coming through a loudspeaker telling me to come in. The door was unlocked!

I wanted to tip the mamasan $10 but she waved it away. "Pay the girl". One of the very rare occasions that a tip I offered was refused!

I was greeted by Susie who was an attractive young Korean girl (where else do they hail from? ) with a well endowed natural rack. Got the standard house pay out of the way and proceeded to the TS, which was unexeptionable (I. E. Nothing special)

Got back into the room and dispensed with the formality of a backrub, etc. This girl was very good. Friendly and natural. DATY, FK, CBJ, multiple positions. Even though her English was VERY limited. Even by AMP standards. We tried to have a conversation. She asked me if I was married, yes of course (who isn't) and I fell into playing the role. How to describe it. Perhaps of a kindly uncle dispensing advice to a young and somewhat naive girl. I'm more than 30 years older than you, it's unlikely you will find true romance among your customers, etc. Paid the standard $ for the first session then a second $ for the second session (10 minutes after the first)

She ended up giving me her phone number, entering it herself into my phone, which was a nice friendly touch (I didn't give her mine though)

Here's my subjective rating for Susie
Attitude - 8
Body- 7
Service - 7
Recommendation - yes

Overall, a good experience. I'll be back! And thanks to this forum I was able to 're-discover' this old haunt, which I thought had closed forever.

Rejected Monke
02-17-08, 18:24
I have to agree with SB on this. Some think that overpaying will bring in better talent. I think the talent is fine but they need to be reminded that we are paying them two dollars a minute (on top of the house fee) and expect good service for it. Just like my last experience. I walked out. If she is not going to provide good service then someone else will get my money.

Nobody is saying to overpay, which is why I laughed at Jake's story, but we should treat $100 as the minimum, not the maximum. When you go to a restaurant and the waitress is absolutely horrible, you can choose to tip absolutely nothing, but you still have to pay for the food. Same thing, a girl may act like a b-tch, but you still have to pay $100 for the FS. If they give you a great time, what's wrong with an additional $20? The $100 is only referred to as a "tip" due to legal misconceptions, not unlike Craigslist girls believing using the word "roses" will somehow protect them.

You insinuate in another post (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=615789&postcount=2167) that it's all about greed, yet in this one, you claim money is not a factor in getting better talent or service. Why is it that one gets better service at a Sheraton compared to a Comfort Inn? A famous restaurant in Georgetown during dinner time compared to IHOP at 3AM when there are no other customers? A Mercedes dealership compared to a Hyundai dealership?

Meanwhile, the "talent is fine" yet you have no good reports minus Suzy in half a year! You are relatively new to DC, so maybe that frequency is okay in other places, but that's not fine for me at all! One good girl in six months is HORRIBLE!

Anyway, to answer your earlier question, I've never been to 1333 and probably won't anytime soon due to a past incident (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=607923&postcount=2056), but I heard that at Green, one older lady stays constant while the rest of the lineup is rotated, and reports on this forum lead me to believe that older lady is Suzy. So that probably means she either 1) has some ownership stake or 2) she lives in the area or 3) possibly both. Either way, she'll probably be back sooner than later. That's if she is the "constant".

Jake Jj 1492
02-17-08, 18:45
Nobody is saying to overpay, which is why I laughed at Jake's story.

You think that (http://usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=617869#post617869) was funny RM? The full story on M Street (http://usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=618954#post618954) was a riot in retrospect. I TOFTT and my review was rejected on another board, so few benefited from my traumatic experience. If enough people want to see it, I'll post it...for everyone's benefit.


So that probably means she (Suzy) has either some ownership stake or she lives in the area. Either way, she'll probably be back sooner than later. That's if she is in fact the "constant".

1333 1st has a higher return rate than most...so vacation sometimes means just that. As for Suzy being the "constant girl", I think it's another lady...but Suzy seems to have been on regular rotation for a few months...

Rejected Monke
02-17-08, 18:55
You think that was funny RM? The full story was a riot in retrospect. I TOFTT and my review was rejected on another board, so few benefited from my traumatic experience. If enough people want to see it, I'll post it...for everyone's benefit.

You mean there's more!?


1333 1st has a higher return rate than most...so vacation sometimes means just that. As for Suzy being the constant girl, I think it's another lady...but Suzy seems to have been on rotation for a few months...

Thanks, that bodes good news for Big Daddy Don and everyone else. Probably not me, though, as I am having my own personally boycott since they hurt my girly feelings. ;)

Rejected Monke
02-17-08, 18:58
First post on this forum. Lots of good info here! Still not savvy about all the jargon. E. G. Where's 1818?

Went to 1413 for the first time yesterday in a LONG time. Hadn't been there since the Big Bust of 2006. I was surprised to be greeted by a voice coming through a loudspeaker telling me to come in. The door was unlocked!

I wanted to tip the mamasan $10 but she waved it away. "Pay the girl". One of the very rare occasions that a tip I offered was refused!

I was greeted by Susie who was an attractive young Korean girl (where else do they hail from? ) with a well endowed natural rack. Got the standard house pay out of the way and proceeded to the TS, which was unexeptionable (I. E. Nothing special)

Got back into the room and dispensed with the formality of a backrub, etc. This girl was very good. Friendly and natural. DATY, FK, CBJ, multiple positions. Even though her English was VERY limited. Even by AMP standards. We tried to have a conversation. She asked me if I was married, yes of course (who isn't) and I fell into playing the role. How to describe it. Perhaps of a kindly uncle dispensing advice to a young and somewhat naive girl. I'm more than 30 years older than you, it's unlikely you will find true romance among your customers, etc. Paid the standard $ for the first session then a second $ for the second session (10 minutes after the first)

She ended up giving me her phone number, entering it herself into my phone, which was a nice friendly touch (I didn't give her mine though)

Here's my subjective rating for Susie
Attitude - 8
Body- 7
Service - 7
Recommendation - yes

Overall, a good experience. I'll be back! And thanks to this forum I was able to 're-discover' this old haunt, which I thought had closed forever.

I can echo this report that Susie is a very nice girl after today's visit. I'm not sure she's Korean, though. Also, I get the feeling that she's looking for a guy to help her get permanent residence.

Sleazebum
02-17-08, 20:25
Nobody is saying to overpay, which is why I laughed at Jake's story, but we should treat $100 as the minimum, not the maximum. When you go to a restaurant and the waitress is absolutely horrible, you can choose to tip absolutely nothing, but you still have to pay for the food. Same thing, a girl may act like a b-tch, but you still have to pay $100 for the FS. If they give you a great time, what's wrong with an additional $20? ".

$100 is NOT a minimum, nor is it a maximum. It is THE PRICE. I doubt that you go ahead and pay $4.00 a gallon for your gas when the pump price is $3.08, do you? How often have you given the gas attendant a tip? If the girl is acting the *****, you demand a refund or withhold part of the payment (with fair warning). If the food at the restaurant is bad you do NOT pay for it! DO NOT ENCOURAGE POOR SERVICE AND NEVER OVERPAY!

When you go into the 7-11 for a coke that is priced at $1.49 do you pay $2.00 just because you are such a nice guy?

Do NOT let your misplaced generosity mess up my budget!

Understand human nature! If enough of us start giving out a higher "tip" then the seller will begin to raise the price KNOWING the customer is still going to add an additional amount and so goes the price spiral up and out of reach.

IF you MUST give the girl something extra, make it something she can eat and share with the others! A simple bag or oranges will get you MUCH in return and it will not inflate the price for everyone else!

Go buy her a phone card so she can call Korea if she wants but DO NOT give any cash over the standard!

JJ

Rejected Monke
02-17-08, 23:03
$100 is NOT a minimum, nor is it a maximum. It is THE PRICE. I doubt that you go ahead and pay $4.00 a gallon for your gas when the pump price is $3.08, do you? How often have you given the gas attendant a tip? If the girl is acting the *****, you demand a refund or withhold part of the payment (with fair warning). If the food at the restaurant is bad you do NOT pay for it! DO NOT ENCOURAGE POOR SERVICE AND NEVER OVERPAY!

When you go into the 7-11 for a coke that is priced at $1.49 do you pay $2.00 just because you are such a nice guy?

Of course not, because food, gas, and soda are considered goods, not a service. In most places where you receive a service, you are supposed to tip, this is an American tradition. Are you telling me you never tip the waitress, valet, bellboy, and so on? Once again, when we go to an AMP, we are not paying for a good, we are paying for a service.


Do NOT let your misplaced generosity mess up my budget!

Understand human nature! If enough of us start giving out a higher "tip" then the seller will begin to raise the price KNOWING the customer is still going to add an additional amount and so goes the price spiral up and out of reach.

IF you MUST give the girl something extra, make it something she can eat and share with the others! A simple bag or oranges will get you MUCH in return and it will not inflate the price for everyone else!

Go buy her a phone card so she can call Korea if she wants but DO NOT give any cash over the standard!

JJ

Sorry Sleazebum, but I am not generous at all! I am very, very selfish! I just don't want people's misplaced frugalness messing up my talent pool! You are afraid things may spiral upwards, I am afraid things will continue to spiral downwards. As I mentioned before, you and a select minority may be satisfied with the Chinese condo, but to the majority of us, those girls are old and ugly as sin! Most of them provide even worse service than the average AMP!

So if you compare the Chinese condo to an AMP, they are both the exact same price. $160. Either the Chinese condo is overpriced, or the AMP is underpriced. You can't have it both ways! If you give me a choice between paying $160 for an old ugly hag or $180 for a young babe, I will choose the young babe for $20 more ten times out of ten!

If Big Daddy Don is upset with Tina at 1818 and Candy at Green, and Jake was not impressed by Candy, Yumi at Royal, or Misha at Green, I expect these guys to be bawling tears if the Chinese condo becomes the only place available to them!

Sleazebum
02-17-08, 23:33
Rather than have us both look like a pair of quibbling jackasses, I will agree to disagree but no further.

In the deepest recesses of my mind you are as wrong as two men sucking but you DO have the right to be wrong.

And I must insist you grant me the same so we can continue on as brothers and friends.

OK? I will not argue any further.

JJ



Of course not, because food, gas, and soda are considered goods, not a service. In most places where you receive a service, you are supposed to tip, this is an American tradition. Are you telling me you never tip the waitress, valet, bellboy, and so on? Once again, when we go to an AMP, we are not paying for a good, we are paying for a service.



Sorry Sleazebum, but I am not generous at all! I am very, very selfish! I just don't want people's misplaced frugalness messing up my talent pool! You are afraid things may spiral upwards, I am afraid things will continue to spiral downwards. As I mentioned before, you and a select minority may be satisfied with the Chinese condo, but to the majority of us, those girls are old and ugly as sin! Most of them provide even worse service than the average AMP!

So if you compare the Chinese condo to an AMP, they are both the exact same price. $160. Either the Chinese condo is overpriced, or the AMP is underpriced. You can't have it both ways! If you give me a choice between paying $160 for an old ugly hag or $180 for a young babe, I will choose the young babe for $20 more ten times out of ten!

If Big Daddy Don is upset with Tina at 1818 and Candy at Green, and Jake was not impressed by Candy, Yumi at Royal, or Misha at Green, I expect these guys to be bawling tears if the Chinese condo becomes the only place available to them!

Jake Jj 1492
02-18-08, 00:47
JJ(SB) & RM,

You both have good reasons for your points of view, and you need to focus on what you agree on. Neither of you are hagglers as far as I know, so you're both doing your part at not pissing the ladies off by being cheap bastards.

Keeping them happy during your session by paying at the least the minimum and keeping them happy for the remainder of their stay are two different things though. It takes a balance between good reports and good customers to keep them coming back.

With two of the highest volume places closed for now, it's that much more important to treat the ones that are here well...not overly so (i.e. - tips beyond .2 should be discouraged) as reports that they give back to the talent pool on other areas will attract better and better ladies.

Anyway, happy hunting, and go get a massage somewhere why dontcha?

Rejected Monke
02-18-08, 01:32
With two of the highest volume places closed for now, it's that much more important to treat the ones that are here well...as reports that they give back to the talent pool on other areas will attract better and better ladies.


Yes! That is absolutely correct! These girls talk on the phone like there's no tomorrow and 90% of their conversations are like this.

Girl A: How many did you do today?
Girl B: Two. DC is slow these days.
Girl A: Really? I did twelve!
Girl B: You must be tired! Do you think you could get me a position there?
Girl A: Well, all the girls here are skinny and have big breasts...

What we need to happen is more of this:

Girl B: How's vacation?
Girl C: Okay. I just sleep all day and go to the sauna. A new one just opened in Flushing. How many did you do today?
Girl B: Two. DC is slow these days.
Girl C: That's pretty slow! How many girls are there?
Girl B: Three... But only one is making good money.
Girl C: Yeah?
Girl B: Yeah. Someone wrote a good review for her on the Internet plus she looks young and has a nice body. I'm jealous.
Girl C: How much does she make?
Girl B: One thousand a day.
Girl C: Really? Manhattan is getting too dangerous, can you see if I can work there?
Girl B: Sure, I'll ask the manager for you. You'll definitely make money here since you're young and have big breasts.

But instead, the conversations go like this:

Girl B: How's vacation?
Girl C: Okay. I just sleep all day and go to the sauna. A new one just opened in Flushing. How many did you do today?
Girl B: Two. DC is slow these days.
Girl C: That's pretty slow! How many girls are there?
Girl B: Three... There's a young looking girl with a nice body but she's going to leave cause she's not making money. Do you want to work here?
Girl C: You're joking right? I can make money in Manhattan anytime, and the tips are pretty good. Why would I go work there?
Girl B: I guess you're right... Do you know anyone that's looking for work?
Girl C: I know an older girl, but she's kind of fat.
Girl B: Yeah, that's fine. We need anyone.

Meanwhile...

Girl D: Hello, is this Girl A?
Girl A: Hi, who is this?
Girl D: Hi, I work with Girl B, and she told me girls that are skinny and have big breasts make a lot of money there.
Girl A: Oh yeah! She told me about you! You're the one who looks really young, right?
Girl D: Yes... Sorry to bother you, but DC is just not the place for me...
Girl A: No problem! Do you want a phone number so you can come work here?
Girl D: Yes!
Girl A: Okay, let me call you right back!
Girl D: Thank you so much!

Next day on USASexGuide > States & Cities > Washington DC > DC-All Topics > Massage Parlor Reports...

Random Poster: Does anyone know where all the hot girls went? This is getting pretty bad!

VanDriver
02-18-08, 12:10
Yes! That is absolutely correct! These girls talk on the phone like there's no tomorrow and 90% of their conversations are like this.

Girl A: How many did you do today?
Girl B: Two. DC is slow these days.
Girl A: Really? I did twelve!
Girl B: You must be tired! Do you think you could get me a position there?
Girl A: Well, all the girls here are skinny and have big breasts...

What we need to happen is more of this:

Girl B: How's vacation?
Girl C: Okay. I just sleep all day and go to the sauna. A new one just opened in Flushing. How many did you do today?
Girl B: Two. DC is slow these days.
Girl C: That's pretty slow! How many girls are there?
Girl B: Three... But only one is making good money.
Girl C: Yeah?
Girl B: Yeah. Someone wrote a good review for her on the Internet plus she looks young and has a nice body. I'm jealous.
Girl C: How much does she make?
Girl B: One thousand a day.
Girl C: Really? Manhattan is getting too dangerous, can you see if I can work there?
Girl B: Sure, I'll ask the manager for you. You'll definitely make money here since you're young and have big breasts.

But instead, the conversations go like this:

Girl B: How's vacation?
Girl C: Okay. I just sleep all day and go to the sauna. A new one just opened in Flushing. How many did you do today?
Girl B: Two. DC is slow these days.
Girl C: That's pretty slow! How many girls are there?
Girl B: Three... There's a young looking girl with a nice body but she's going to leave cause she's not making money. Do you want to work here?
Girl C: You're joking right? I can make money in Manhattan anytime, and the tips are pretty good. Why would I go work there?
Girl B: I guess you're right... Do you know anyone that's looking for work?
Girl C: I know an older girl, but she's kind of fat.
Girl B: Yeah, that's fine. We need anyone.

Meanwhile...

Girl D: Hello, is this Girl A?
Girl A: Hi, who is this?
Girl D: Hi, I work with Girl B, and she told me girls that are skinny and have big breasts make a lot of money there.
Girl A: Oh yeah! She told me about you! You're the one who looks really young, right?
Girl D: Yes... Sorry to bother you, but DC is just not the place for me...
Girl A: No problem! Do you want a phone number so you can come work here?
Girl D: Yes!
Girl A: Okay, let me call you right back!
Girl D: Thank you so much!

Next day on USASexGuide > States & Cities > Washington DC > DC-All Topics > Massage Parlor Reports...

Random Poster: Does anyone know where all the hot girls went? This is getting pretty bad!

RM:

For the record, I want Girl A's referenced girls who are skinny with large breasts (natural preferred).

Van

Rejected Monke
02-18-08, 12:24
RM:

For the record, I want Girl A's referenced girls who are skinny with large breasts (natural preferred).

Van

No problem.

http://easternpleasure.com/ ($200/hr)
http://choiceangels.com/girls.html ($200/hr)
http://www.sexykangels.com/gallery.php ($160/hh or $200/hr)

Disclaimer that all of these pictures are photoshopped and a select few of these girls have ugly faces. But when you see them, chances are high that you won't be disappointed by their bodies.

Oh wait, you meant in DC? :( :( :(

Jake saw a young girl with big tatas at Green (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=618985&postcount=2197), so that's probably the best starting point. Would love to see reports of her.

Big Daddy Don
02-18-08, 17:42
When i was leaving Green the other day I did see a girl stick her head out from the shower. Only saw her face but she did look young and cute.

Dr Bombay
02-18-08, 18:22
The other day I made a visit south of the border. I was warmly greeted by Paula, the big sister. She remembered I was a regular who hasn't been there for some time (for financial reasons). She must have instructed Nana to pull out all the stops as I had an incredible time. We began with a vigorous t/s, special attention to the back regions. Nana is short, cute with plenty o' chest with eraser nipples which spilled out of her bra. The t/s took some time as I had to sample those nipples from time to time. The massage was very soft, but surprisingly professional. English was limited to "Nana this, Nan that" but I wasn't complaining. There was the a/r as I hoped there would be and she played with the equipment until I was ready to shoot. I held off for a little BBBJ. She slipped the cover on. I was so ready I only got a few strokes in before the dam burst. I have never lost it that fast before in my life. She felt like a silk glove. After a hot towel and a cold soda, I was good to go. On my way out, Paula made sure everything was to my satisfaction and got my promise of a return visit. I've never had a bad time here. I find if you treat the ladies with respect, you reap the benefits.

Drunk Irish
02-18-08, 19:41
Green

Well, that was damn easy to find once I stopped and got of my car. I thought it was tucked behind the parking garage, in the alley, or somewhere 'hidden'.

Saw Sue. Older, but awesome body, and nice fake rack. I really loved the backside, it felt just right in my hands.

I knew it was going to be quick as she rushed through the shower. She covered all the right parts, but it was fast.

A perfunctory back massage, which you dont' really get anymore. Nice AR action, never on the "button", but everywhere else. Careful, she bites--but its just right.

Up the elevator shaft, and very nice work with the cover. I thought I was getting a BBBJ as she worked the shaft with her tongue.

Slowed down when requested, but she was on a mission to get me out of there.

On another note, when I was walking in, very nice tall girl walking into the door ahead of me. Wish I knew her name, would like to give her a spin.

Looks 7+
Body 7+
Service 6

Rejected Monke
02-18-08, 21:26
Green

Saw Sue. Older, but awesome body, and nice fake rack. I really loved the backside, it felt just right in my hands.

I knew it was going to be quick as she rushed through the shower. She covered all the right parts, but it was fast.

A perfunctory back massage, which you dont' really get anymore. Nice AR action, never on the "button", but everywhere else. Careful, she bites--but its just right.

Up the elevator shaft, and very nice work with the cover. I thought I was getting a BBBJ as she worked the shaft with her tongue.

Slowed down when requested, but she was on a mission to get me out of there.

Looks 7+
Body 7+
Service 6

Big Daddy Don, do you think this is possibly Suzy and the new mamasan just isn't accustomed to variations on names? I am just speculating as my Green boycott goes on. ;)

Big Daddy Don
02-18-08, 22:30
Big Daddy Don, do you think this is possibly Suzy and the new mamasan just isn't accustomed to variations on names? I am just speculating as my Green boycott goes on. ;)


Sounds like her with the light biting on the bum.. :) Never got rushed though. That would be the first time I have ever had a girl come back from "vacation". Perhaps I will stop by soon to check. I guess Ajima won't be mad at me since I left last time but did not ask for the house fee refund. I figured just telling her that Candy was "no good" and leaving quietly would keep me in their good graces.

Green is easy to get to and I can usually find meter parking on the street. I have seen cars parked back in the alley but was not sure what the deal was. Don't want to get towed when a buck fifty will give me plenty of meter time.

Do you have a good story to go with why you are boycotting the place?

Rusian Mong
02-19-08, 15:42
Hey Fellow Mongs,

Had this daydream of going down to 1413 for the first time, and I must say it was a nice daydream indeed. Sweet Ahjima (sp? ) greeted me, asked for line up but didn't' get it (yet to get one). Then in walked in Nana. Sweet little girl with fantastic fake boobies, the perfect handful (although I like them LARGE, anyone know a good large breasted asian girl for me? ). Excellent TS, Excellent Masagi, got the AR which I'm not particularly fond of. Got a CBJ, but her mouth was kinda small and I'm a little above average, so got some teeth scraping. Maybe this is the girl that bites a little? Pretty good rollin in the hay. Standard positions, mish, DS, cowgirl. No FK, but other than that let me rome a lot. Standard rates.

I'm still a big fan of Supra and wish it would open back up, but 1413 is definetly a thumbs up for me.

Nana@1413
Face: 7
Body: 7
T/S: 8
Massagi: 9
Perfomance 6

Pretty good standard, I'll go back for a repeat for sure, but try and get another girlie......cause I'm all about the new flavor

Just woke up from daydream,

Rusian

Amp Junkie
02-20-08, 00:39
I'll be in Reston for a week.

Is this place near Dulles airport?

Will $.2 cover everything and tip?


Hey Fellow Mongs,

Had this daydream of going down to 1413 for the first time, and I must say it was a nice daydream indeed. Sweet Ahjima (sp? ) greeted me, asked for line up but didn't' get it (yet to get one). Then in walked in Nana. Sweet little girl with fantastic fake boobies, the perfect handful (although I like them LARGE, anyone know a good large breasted asian girl for me? ). Excellent TS, Excellent Masagi, got the AR which I'm not particularly fond of. Got a CBJ, but her mouth was kinda small and I'm a little above average, so got some teeth scraping. Maybe this is the girl that bites a little? Pretty good rollin in the hay. Standard positions, mish, DS, cowgirl. No FK, but other than that let me rome a lot. Standard rates.

I'm still a big fan of Supra and wish it would open back up, but 1413 is definetly a thumbs up for me.

Nana@1413
Face: 7
Body: 7
T/S: 8
Massagi: 9
Perfomance 6

Pretty good standard, I'll go back for a repeat for sure, but try and get another girlie......cause I'm all about the new flavor

Just woke up from daydream,

Rusian

DickAllMighty
02-20-08, 01:51
If the rate goes up it will be because we let it go up!

DO NOT PAY more than $ for FS!! If they want more than that simply refuse!

Never take more than $.6 into these places and you will not be tempted to overpay.

For every one that wants to overcharge you can find 10 that will not!

JJI said in my last post that I've never paid more than $. 6, but I should have clarified that on occasion I have paid an extra. 2 as tip if I thought it was really an excellent job done. But having said that, I think the last time I did that was about a year ago. I only dream about once a month though. Anyway, that's why I bring more than $. 6.

But you're right, I need to learn to just say no when they straight up ask for more than $. 6. That was literally the first time I encountered that though. Plus I was just standing there "at attention" and so I just thought "f*ck it" and forked it over.

Linkletter2420
02-20-08, 14:34
JJ(SB) & RM,

You both have good reasons for your points of view, and you need to focus on what you agree on. Neither of you are hagglers as far as I know, so you're both doing your part at not pissing the ladies off by being cheap bastards.

Keeping them happy during your session by paying at the least the minimum and keeping them happy for the remainder of their stay are two different things though. It takes a balance between good reports and good customers to keep them coming back.

With two of the highest volume places closed for now, it's that much more important to treat the ones that are here well...not overly so (i.e. - tips beyond .2 should be discouraged) as reports that they give back to the talent pool on other areas will attract better and better ladies.

Anyway, happy hunting, and go get a massage somewhere why dontcha?Interesting conversation bros. My .02 is that comparing AMP's to gas or a coke is not relevant. Rather, AMP's are more like waitresses or any other service work where the house wages are relatively low and the workers make their living on tips.

That being said, there is a range of acceptable gratuity, below which you shouldn't go unless you flat out do not get the requested (or normal and customary) service, and above which you only go on the exceedingly rare occasion.

I liken it to a restaurant. 15%-20% (not that I use those percentages at an aMP) is for normal, acceptable service. I only go above that if the server really is remarkable and I only go below it if the server f*cks up, is rude, etc.

As far as exact numbers go, I'm with Jake, I can see no likely scenario at an AMP where .2 would ever be warranted, and I'd even go lower than that to .1 to .15 as the range.

Amp Junkie
02-20-08, 14:44
Any of these places near Dulles Airport?

Papasan1
02-20-08, 18:37
Any of these places near Dulles Airport?Try the Northern VA board.

Rusian Mong
02-20-08, 19:07
Ska,

These wise words were often conveyed to me, and although I am not a Senior Member ( yet ), let me pass on this wisdom with an admonishment.

RTTF

Regards,

Rusian

Drew Park
02-20-08, 21:31
Any of these places near Dulles Airport?

In a word... "no". Dulles Airport is 30 miles away from downtown DC where these places are located.

Jeez.

Crazy Dick
02-20-08, 22:08
You need to ask that question on the Northern Virginia board.
Crazy Dick
So Many Korean Women - So little Money


Any of these places near Dulles Airport?

Amp Junkie
02-20-08, 22:23
You need to ask that question on the Northern Virginia board.
Crazy Dick.

So Many Korean Women - So little MoneySaid and done.

Thanks for the help!

Computer Luvvv
02-21-08, 12:59
I can echo this report that Susie is a very nice girl after today's visit. I'm not sure she's Korean, though. Also, I get the feeling that she's looking for a guy to help her get permanent residence.You broke her off 2 bones man? The last time I headed over into DC it was. 6 at the door and 1. For the girl. I haven't been to DC since July (knee surgery, so I have just been hitting the so-call regular places till my knee strenghens up, which did by NOV, had to test it out with a little doggy dawg, back in NOV, but I still haven't made it over to DC yet, but me and a friend had been planning on with the next 2 weeks, so give me some "intell" on this $ and $ stuff?

Computer Luvvv
02-21-08, 13:00
You need to ask that question on the Northern Virginia board.
Crazy Dick

So Many Korean Women - So little MoneyThe best u gonna get out near Dulles is the route 28 corridor and its not f/s, I had 2 that would do me, but it's very rare.

Computer Luvvv
02-21-08, 13:02
Sorry to hear you had a crap experience there recently. I was in a couple weeks ago (didn't get a chance to post, so I suppose this counts) and had no problem.

I got a white girl who looked a little hippy-ish, but had a great personality and did a great massage on everything. I'd have preferred someone darker, but she did a good job, and that's just a personal preference. I handed her something like. 5 plus the house, at the very end, and she had no issues. I'd totally go back as I've been twice now, and both times were fine.

I'll keep my eyes out for S though. She sounds bad.Stay away from those types of places.

Computer Luvvv
02-21-08, 13:07
Been out with Knee surgery and hungry for some action. Have doing the northern VA thing out where I reside but now am ready to get back to the basics. I am an old timer from back in the day, just give you the ups, I recal the place off GA ave up in Wheaton in the white building and directly behind the gas station and I also recall the place off FLA ave in DC that was upstairs, kinda close to Adams Morgan. Fellas, whats the haps in DC now, what places are still good?

Thanx

Jalb25
02-21-08, 18:28
Green

Well, that was damn easy to find once I stopped and got of my car. I thought it was tucked behind the parking garage, in the alley, or somewhere 'hidden'.

Saw Sue. Older, but awesome body, and nice fake rack. I really loved the backside, it felt just right in my hands.

I knew it was going to be quick as she rushed through the shower. She covered all the right parts, but it was fast.

A perfunctory back massage, which you dont' really get anymore. Nice AR action, never on the "button", but everywhere else. Careful, she bites--but its just right.

Up the elevator shaft, and very nice work with the cover. I thought I was getting a BBBJ as she worked the shaft with her tongue.

Slowed down when requested, but she was on a mission to get me out of there.

On another note, when I was walking in, very nice tall girl walking into the door ahead of me. Wish I knew her name, would like to give her a spin.

Looks 7+
Body 7+
Service 6I used to see a Suzy at Rainbow Spa in Maryland on a regular basis for about 5 yrs. She lived in the area and would go on vacation and actually came back. About a year and a half ago I was told that she was working in DC and no longer allowed to work in MD anymore. I was wondering if this is the same girl because she sounds very similar.

The Suzy from Rainbow also liked to bite too. Especially your backside. She would be in her mid to late thirties about 5'5" to 5'7" with hair that is a little longer than shoulder length. About 120lbs with augmented 32-34 C boobs, nice legs and a perfect ass. She has a beautiful smile and great personality. Her one trait that really stood out was that she giggled and laughed quite a bit. Also, she had a pierced navel. I have a photo somewhere but can't find it right now.

Do you think this could be the same girl. I would love to find her again. Thanks for your help.

Pcpc1688
02-22-08, 00:28
I used to see a Suzy at Rainbow Spa in Maryland on a regular basis for about 5 yrs. She lived in the area and would go on vacation and actually came back. About a year and a half ago I was told that she was working in DC and no longer allowed to work in MD anymore. I was wondering if this is the same girl because she sounds very similar.

The Suzy from Rainbow also liked to bite too. Especially your backside. She would be in her mid to late thirties about 5'5" to 5'7" with hair that is a little longer than shoulder length. About 120lbs with augmented 32-34 C boobs, nice legs and a perfect ass. She has a beautiful smile and great personality. Her one trait that really stood out was that she giggled and laughed quite a bit. Also, she had a pierced navel. I have a photo somewhere but can't find it right now.

Do you think this could be the same girl. I would love to find her again. Thanks for your help.Its not the same Suzy. she went on vacation.

PC out

TripleE
02-22-08, 11:25
I've been to H&H twice, and had good times both times. It's close to home, and I like the variety even though I also enjoy the Korean girls.

You got anything other than this one line of advice? I'd love to hear your reasoning.


Stay away from those types of places.

Ampfreq
02-22-08, 20:11
Was at my new fave spot now that Supra is "closed for remodeling". (Does this mean they're fixing the models who were there before?) Travel was fine since it was early in the day and this time I didn't have to hassle with the parking lot attendant. Got there approx when I told the mamasan I would arrive but still my requested girl was somehow otherwise engaged. How could this be?!? lol. They were so busy she ushered me into the back room and told me to sleep (=close my eyes). What a laugh. A different girl with dark hair and crazy blonde streaks looking hot was trying to use the credit card machine. If Brandy weren't such a "fine girl" I might have switched.

Finally rushed forward to the big room up front with all the street noise to add ambience. And very quickly Brandy my new ATF shows up laughing about seeing me again and wondering what the rush was. I guess they pulled some kind of switch; who knew? I had bathed very recently so we skipped the usual average TS and we had a great time talking and otherwise entertaining ourselves.

I left as if in a dream with mamasan reminding me to drive carefully. She wouldn't want to lose a repeat customer now, would she? Seniors can PM me for details. Brandy is very pretty, body above average but not a spinner and she and I connect on some odd level. The intangibles make her a favorite.

Maddog314
02-23-08, 13:18
Will be comming ti the DC area for the first time and need to get a little info on the AMP front in DC will be there Sunday any any and all help will do. That would include escorts too. Please pm me.

Thanks

BigTigger
02-23-08, 18:16
Since NOVA was over-working my spidy sense (especially Golden Palms). I decided to venture on in to "the most powerful city in the world" and see if I could release some of my own power.

I was a little caught off guard as one of my trusted non-pros had pulled the "don't answer her phone" routine on me. That's why AMPs are considered good 'ol faithful. In most cases they are always there, open and willing. I wasn't quite prepared for the DC journey (FYI Friday's Post, doesn't list as many AMPs as during the week), so I didn't quite know where to go. I started up and down Rhode Island.. trying to do my best "Trick Williams" impersonation.. but alas .. as normal, that was fruitless. ( It was fun imagining every woman I saw naked, trying to find the perfect bubble butt, but how is that different than when I'm at work during the week anyway ??? )

Drove by Rio....loved that seemingly insignificant door. But I had not stopped by the ATM yet and with all of the bars, the area was a little busy for my liking... especially parking.

So I eventually made my way on over to IHC and I instantly remembered why I love this place (other than the tip upfront). It's in an office building with a hispanic club (great cover), paid $7 for parking ($4 was reimbursed), with valets there, I wasn't worried about security of my car. The providers are almost always cute and personable. I love the steam sauna.

IHC is probably one of the AMPs I've visited the most (especially after HWC closed). Love the access to the major roads.. and "if" I need to get warmed up before, I could just venture over to the strip club first...then get my great release later.

My provider this time was "Cherry". She was lacking in bubble butt department, but she was cute, had cute A cups and had a great attitude. She came across as the forbidden fruit that lives two doors down.

Anyway, TS, "massagie" and all were pretty standard. Actually the massage was lacking now that I think about it. After the flip, fake heavy breathing ( I think she's just doing as told on that one). However the main event was very good ( for my tastes of course). I must admit, I'm a sucker for a woman who moves and moans as if she's really enjoying herself. Especially if it doesn't sound like a worn out porno.

Cherry was my first provider in a long time to actually only do the missionary. Her response and movements were so Hot GFE, that even though I was taking my time, I stayed there and enjoyed the view and response until my heavy breathing and butt clinching signified the end of another successful business meeting.

For all of us who have been to more than 3 AMPs, on the surface she didn't quite live up. No rimming, no CG, no Doggie, a lil teethy CBJ, no DATY. But I was very pleased overall and if I can work the monger budget, I will visit again to see if I check some of the other things off the list.

I sense, that the sessions would improve with repeat visits. I did 1 hour, but She told me to come earlier in the evening for a longer time together (4-8pm most days).

Happy Hunting
BigTigg

Friendly1
02-23-08, 20:07
I decided to make a stop at 1413 based on recent reviews. It has been years since I was there. Anyway, I thought I'd like to see Susie or Nana there. Susie "on vacation." "I'll get you nice girl," says mamasan. OK. She brings in Happy. Attractive enough, big boobs, curly hair.

She has been there two days and usually works in the Philly area. Her English is fairly good.

I got a very nice and thorough TS from her and then back into the room. She got me warmed up and gave a very nice CBJ. Then onto CG. Adequate with a little LK. We finished up with doggie. She then gave me a very vigorous massage. I enjoyed it. She was good, but I probably won't repeat. I have been spoiled by superstars of the past.

Looks: 6
Body: 7
TS: 8
Service: 7
Massage: 9

Ken Eng
02-24-08, 14:24
Supra still closed for repairs so tried 2024 P Street. From the outside it looks like some sort of new age place, so skipped it. Any advice for Sunday in DC?

Cheers

Sleazebum
02-24-08, 16:28
I had one of the worse weeks that any of us could have so today I went in to the city to 14K.

Met up with HAPPY and she made my day! Very pretty with good sized toppers, sweet skin - all good! I paid the full fare up front just because she looked so good and nice!

TS was the normal fare then back to the room.

Massage was very limited and light, just prepareing for the main event of the day. Exactly what I needed!

CBJ, CS, mish, modmish, canine, mod canine and all over again! We went thru the kama sutra and was just plain pounding for about 35 minutes! This was the first time EVER I was able to go as long as I wanted to without hearing the "hurry up" stuff. I think she popped a couple times and when I decided it was time for a big finish I asked her to try come with me and I think she did and it flowed thru her for some time afterwards.

I rolled over and she cuddled up next to me and maybe dozed off for a minute. She seemed to have REALLY gotten off and was genuinely tired. We stayed cuddled for maybe 5 minutes or so and she offered a hot towel or another shower. I took her up on the shower and she got me all clean again from the humping and sweating.

She is a keeper! I would take her home if I could!

The BEST AMP experience I have ever had to date, including the old Downtown and HWC days.

I HIGHLY recommend her service! THE BEST!!

Nap time!!

JJ

NukeyNuke
02-25-08, 01:35
I understand all sides of this debate. And, in all honesty, to a certain degree, I agree with them as well.

It's not like a wait person who is paid their tips based off a percentage from a set and publicly published menu as in a restaurant. Publicly published...on a paper menu...like a restaurant...not an implied fee, a usual fee, or an 'understood' fee. They can usually serve up little more than is on the menu and they typically have little control over what you get.

It's more like the bartender at your favorite watering hole...who easily has the ability to deviate from how the 'typical' customer is treated and pour you a stiffer or better drink or more drinks based off your repeat business or how much they like you or how much you've tipped them in the past. While they work off a set fee also, they have much more control over the AMOUNT of service they provide. I have bartenders that know me and treat me very well when I walk into their establishments because I tip them well.

It's also like your barber, who cuts your hair EXACTLY like you like it, every time, without asking how you want it cut, because you tip them well and you are a repeat customer. My barber does exactly what I want, when I want, and will stay late for me whenever I need because I tip him well.

Now, here comes the quandary...

Notice that this is a service industry, and the 2 major things that make a significant difference is repeat business and increased tips.

You can give a better tip, but if the relationship is not a long term one, it's wasted money. I've given great tips to bartenders in the airport, but then the next time I'm in the same airport bar, I get a different bartender and they give me the same old service the transient customers typically get.

What's the use?

In order to form the relationships needed for increased service (and tips), the spa girls have to stay around longer so they can make the relationships needed to garner the increased tips and clientèle. In order to make this happen, the spa owners have to keep the same girls around for a longer period of time. Naturally that has problems of its own, but if the girls saw something in it for them, they might not want to move so quickly to better pastures.

I remember the old days. I was a very frequent customer of Ginza (you know...the next best spa in DC to Downtown back in the day), and I saw Candy almost exclusively (but not quite exclusively...I liked to check out the new talent). Since Candy was there long term, I saw her for at least a year or more. And the more I saw her, the better treatment I got..and I do mean better! As the treatment got better, I'd giver her an extra .2 at the very best times. Honestly, it made her get even better and do even more. She never knew when she would get it, so she didn't expect it, but she got it when the service hit a high. Consequently, the service got better and better because she never knew when it would come.

So I really understand the desire to tip better for better service. But, we have to get something long term out of it as well, because the increase in tipping has long term consequences. It has to be in conjunction with a longer term relationship and actual better service or it's wasted and drives up the base price because the spas and the girls will begin to expect the increased fee for the same level of mediocre service and unspectacular talent that we seem to be currently getting.

Temper all of this with the economical fact that spa prices have been at the same rate for the 20 years I've been in the DC area. There's been no basic price increase with inflation and no economic fluctuation of prices. This is not the case for any other personal service industry. Even the acceptable tip for wait persons at a restaurant has risen from 10% to 15% to 18% over the past 25 years...and they have MUCH less latitude over what you actually get from the establishment...only in how it is served up. It could be that the AMP talent is going to places that are more willing to account for the economical inflation factor than to those places that are not.

I honestly believe we cannot continue to expect to get the same level of service over the years for the same price. That's just not economically sound. Now, I'm not giving more than the accepted DC norm. I show solidarity with my fellow mongers and will not routinely increase my base price without consensus. However I'm willing to consider some base increases in fees that are commensurate with substantial, long-term, and sustained increases in talent and service. And, with the nature of the business being what it is, I'd need to see these improvements before they would see my increases. I have no problem paying more for quality over quantity.

I will tell you, I've been to other cities in the US and we have the lowest prices of all. However, I believe our fees reflect our quality of talent.

Adding to the quandary is the fact that you can often keep the price the same and get better service if you are willing to sacrifice age and youth. I see a provider in Sac Town that does a straight up PSE...will freak you out! Fee is no more than DC. She's late 30's-early 40's and has been there long term...at least for the past 4-5 years. However, she is extremely enthusiastic and gives a performance you'll rarely see from DC spas!

I don't know quite how to solve this problem or I would have given you a solution. I suspect none of you know how to solve it either. I do know I want the quality, longevity, and service of the providers in DC to increase.

Of one thing I'm certain...the Chinese condos/spas are not the alternative. I went to one that very recently moved and relocated to an office building in Falls Church. Saw Cee Cee. 1.5. Certainly not worth more, if that. And the talent pales in comparison to the K-Girls. And the music made me think I was in a Chinese restaurant...jeez...not the best experience at all.

My interim solution is that I see a Thai girl regularly and only do the K-spa when I can't see her. No table shower (a big disappointment since I consider that to be half the experience), but I get the bulk of experience I'm looking for. Quality, longevity, and, the fee is 1.6...max.

I think the long term solution is for the spa owners to realize they need to provide their customers more of a long term relationship and increased service in order to get increased revenue. But we have to agree to make it worth their while to get more from them...and they have to make it worth our while to get the increased fee. However, this level of negotiation increases our vulnerability to LE.

Thus the quandary.



Interesting conversation bros. My .02 is that comparing AMP's to gas or a coke is not relevant. Rather, AMP's are more like waitresses or any other service work where the house wages are relatively low and the workers make their living on tips.

That being said, there is a range of acceptable gratuity, below which you shouldn't go unless you flat out do not get the requested (or normal and customary) service, and above which you only go on the exceedingly rare occasion.

I liken it to a restaurant. 15%-20% (not that I use those percentages at an aMP) is for normal, acceptable service. I only go above that if the server really is remarkable and I only go below it if the server f*cks up, is rude, etc.

As far as exact numbers go, I'm with Jake, I can see no likely scenario at an AMP where .2 would ever be warranted, and I'd even go lower than that to .1 to .15 as the range.

Corsair88
02-25-08, 02:47
I understand all sides of this debate. And, in all honesty, to a certain degree, I agree with them as well.

It's not like a wait person who is paid their tips based off a percentage from a set and publicly published menu as in a restaurant. Publicly published...on a paper menu...like a restaurant...not an implied fee, a usual fee, or an 'understood' fee. They can usually serve up little more than is on the menu and they typically have little control over what you get.

It's more like the bartender at your favorite watering hole...who easily has the ability to deviate from how the 'typical' customer is treated and pour you a stiffer or better drink or more drinks based off your repeat business or how much they like you or how much you've tipped them in the past. While they work off a set fee also, they have much more control over the AMOUNT of service they provide. I have bartenders that know me and treat me very well when I walk into their establishments because I tip them well.

It's also like your barber, who cuts your hair EXACTLY like you like it, every time, without asking how you want it cut, because you tip them well and you are a repeat customer. My barber does exactly what I want, when I want, and will stay late for me whenever I need because I tip him well.

Now, here comes the quandary...

Notice that this is a service industry, and the 2 major things that make a significant difference is repeat business and increased tips.

You can give a better tip, but if the relationship is not a long term one, it's wasted money. I've given great tips to bartenders in the airport, but then the next time I'm in the same airport bar, I get a different bartender and they give me the same old service the transient customers typically get.

What's the use?

In order to form the relationships needed for increased service (and tips), the spa girls have to stay around longer so they can make the relationships needed to garner the increased tips and clientèle. In order to make this happen, they have to keep the same girls around for a longer period of time. Naturally that has problems of its own, but if the girls saw something in it for them, they might not want to move so quickly to better pastures.

I remember the old days. I was a very frequent customer of Ginza (you know...the next best spa in DC to Downtown back in the day), and I saw Candy almost exclusively (but not quite exclusively...I liked to check out the new talent). Since Candy was there long term, I saw her for at least a year or more. And the more I saw her, the better treatment I got..and I do mean better! As the treatment got better, I'd giver her an extra .2 at the very best times. Honestly, it made her get even better and do even more. She never knew when she would get it, so she didn't expect it, but she got it when the service hit a high. Consequently, the service got better and better because she never knew when it would come.

So I really understand the desire to tip better for better service. But, we have to get something long term out of it as well, because the increase in tipping has long term consequences. It has to be in conjunction with a longer term relationship and actual better service or it's wasted and drives up the base price because the spas and the girls will begin to expect the increased fee for the same level of mediocre service and unspectacular talent that we seem to be currently getting.

Temper all of this with the economical fact that spa prices have been at the same rate for the 20 years I've been in the DC area. There's been no basic price increase with inflation and no economic fluctuation of prices. This is not the case for any other personal service industry. Even the acceptable tip for wait persons at a restaurant has risen from 10% to 15% to 18% over the past 25 years...and they have MUCH less latitude over what you actually get from the establishment...only in how it is served up. It could be that the AMP talent is going to places that are more willing to account for the economical inflation factor than to those places that are not.

I honestly believe we cannot continue to expect to get the same level of service over the years for the same price. That's just not economically sound. Now, I'm not giving more than the accepted DC norm. I show solidarity with my fellow mongers and will not routinely increase my base price without consensus. However for increased amenities in service at the AMP, I'm willing to consider base increases commensurate with talent and service.

I will tell you, I've been to other cities in the US and we have the lowest prices of all. However, I believe our fees reflect our quality of talent.

Adding to the quandary is the fact that you can often keep the price the same and get better service if you are willing to sacrifice age and youth. I see a provider in Sac Town that does a straight up PSE...will freak you out! Fee is no more than DC. She's late 30's-early 40's and has been there long term...at least for the past 4-5 years. However, she is extremely enthusiastic and gives a performance you'll rarely see from DC spas!

I don't know quite how to solve this problem or I would have given you a solution. I suspect none of you know how to solve it either. I do know I want the quality, longevity, and service of the providers in DC to increase.

Of one thing I'm certain...the Chinese condos/spas are not the alternative. I went to one that very recently moved and relocated to an office building in Falls Church. Saw Cee Cee. 1.5. Certainly not worth more, if that. And the talent pales in comparison to the K-Girls. And the music made me think I was in a Chinese restaurant...jeez...not the best experience at all.

My interim solution is that I see a Thai girl regularly and only do the K-spa when I can't see her. No table shower (a disappointment), but I get the experience I'm looking for. Quality, longevity, and, the fee is 1.6...max.

I think the long term solution is for the spa owners to realize they need to provide their customers more of a long term relationship and increased service in order to get increased revenue. But we have to agree to make it worth their while to get more from them...and they have to make it worth our while to get the increased fee. However, this level of negotiation increases our vulnerability to LE.

Spas aren't the only option. Get with a long term provider and negotiate a fee that is acceptable for the both of you.

Thus the quandary.

100% agree!

Friendly1
02-25-08, 07:25
Part of the business model is to get the girls to move around quite frequently. There have always been a few who stay around long term, but most rotate. I'm not quite sure why. Maybe it's to keep the staff ignorant of the local scene in case the authorities come in. There are others on the board who may know why this is. I don't.

A John
02-25-08, 08:27
Nukey nice one,

Ladies like money the bottom line. They want and enjoy nice things. If they're making money there staying. If they get wind someone else's is making more money somewhere else there gone. There are some may be many that throw it away in gambling houses/casino, drugs/liquor. If they can't follow house rules there gone. If the cats can't work out their differences usually the senior member overrules and there gone. I know ladies who ben one place for numerous years. There is always the old-fashioned rotation.

Happy Hunting
AJ

LexLuther
02-25-08, 08:52
NukeyNuke et al,

With all due respect, I think you need a reality check. Don't get me wrong! I preached and prattled about this many times. The AMP girls are people and need to be treated with kindness for that reason alone. You treat people with dignity and respect, no matter what they do for a living.

But these girls are, in the final analysis, prostitutes. That means that they sell the use of their bodies for money. There are many different kinds of women. A "normal woman" (if their is such a thing) gives herself to a man if she feels a connection and wants a longterm relationship. There are also women who give it up to every man they meet. These women are called sluts. But a woman who gives it up to any man who will pay her for it is called a prostitute.

I understand how easy it is for some of these women to beguile you. Some of them are indeed beautiful. Many have charming personalities. I have personally found that most of them have great strength of character. Many are also very kind and sweet. But as I've mentioned (and this bears repeating), they are prostitutes.

For whatever reason (poor English skills, childhood sexual abuse, extreme debt, etc.) these women have determined that the only (or perhaps best) way for them to survive is to sell what a normal woman gives to a man whom she loves. The consequences of this are major. For one thing, when such a woman makes love to you, you should not be confused enough to think that it means she loves you. In fact it has no meaning at all, except that you are paying her and she is taking your money.

For another thing, it means that even if you were rich and if you were to marry one of these women and keep her in high style, be kind to her, etc., the first time she got pissed at you (which every woman eventually will do) she's going to tell you to go fuck yourself and then go out and go back to work doing what she knows best.

Now we come to the reason they move around so much. Personally, I don't believe it's part of the business model. I think the major reason they move around is that they have unreasonable expectations about what sort of comfort, happiness, or satisfaction they can achieve in some particular place. When a woman moves, say from Flushing to D.C., she thinks that perhaps she will be happier, make more money, be treated better, whatever! But naturally this does not happen so she moves again. This is not a life that leads to happiness.

I think also that to some extent, the owner/operators of the establishments believe that it is in their interest to have new talent. They know the customers like this. They also are probably wise enough to know that it is in nobody's interest for the customers to fall in love with the girls. But unless the girl causes trouble for the mamasan or for one of the customers, I don't believe they will force them to move on. It just happens and they know it's part of the business.

So my advice is that if you are looking for a relationship, don't look for it in a massage parlor. Look for it online, in church, in some other venue where you practice your endeavors. But don't look for it at an AMP. To do so is to make your life and the life of the working girl more complex than it needs to be.

This industry is not going to change in the way you would like it to. It exists for one reason. That reason is to enrich the people who own the AMP's. They do enrich themselves. They do so because there are guys like you and me who are willing to part with our hard-earned money for a little bit of comfort and pleasure and because there are girls who need the money badly enough that they will sell themselves to get a bit of that money.

LexLuther

Rejected Monke
02-25-08, 11:51
Sorry but I can't resist my .02.... It has been pointed out by others on this board that girls that get too much attention get the boot because there is to much friction in the workplace. By that logic if you only "tip" extra for good service you will be driving the hotties away. <:0

Sorry, but that's wrong. A couple of incidents doesn't dictate what happens on a regular basis. I mean let's use some common sense here... Would owners and managers purposely give girls the boot because they're making too much money? That makes as much sense as a hedge fund giving the boot to its top traders because they're making too much money for the firm.


If you tip a girl extra, she WILL tell everyone how she got more. The other girls will come to expect that. OK you may get better service a couple times but now you have set the bar. The next girl with slack service will expect the higher pay too. Look at it now. If you get a girl that does a half ass job we still pay the $. Once they expect $.2 they will slack off and still expect it. I have had the expectation a couple of times now. I had a girl at 1413 (my first DC Experience) say "You had good time?" "Tip?" Yes I got my rocks off and it was a good session but it was not stellar. I just managed to smile and say "Maybe next time honey" how many times have you heard that? She seemed to think that if I got a nut it was something better than usual though.

Or... You'll get the flipside. Girls who are thinking, "It doesn't matter if I provide good service or bad service, either way, I'll just get $100."


We want higher quality women. I see a lot of comments about NY and hot women. I checked out the NY forum and don't see anyone raving about how great it is. I have NEVER mongered in NY so I am not speaking from any personal experience just from RTFFing :) .

One, New Yorkers have a higher standard than us. Two, there is a lot more demand in New York and that's why girls there can get away with giving bad service if they're hot enough. Three, USG is not the proper forum for reading reports for girls in New York. I've also browsed it, and most of the reports are for the lower end massage parlors.




It's all about the money. You get what you pay for.

Yeah, there are bargains, but those are the exception, not the norm. Honestly, I don't really hold anything against people that want to pay the bare minimum. However, I do find it disturbing when people complain about the scene in DC and then make up all sorts of excuses, and it has to do with everything but the money.

Let me reiterate. It's all about the money. If the top-tier girls get the idea they can make a ton of money in DC, they will come. But the general consensus is that DC is a crappy place to work right now.

The only quality girls who remain are the ones who actually live in this area and work in DC out of convenience.

Rejected Monke
02-25-08, 11:54
Ladies like money the bottom line. They want and enjoy nice things. If they're making money there staying. If they get wind someone else's is making more money somewhere else there gone.

Absolutely correct. It's so simple and obvious.

Rejected Monke
02-25-08, 11:56
Part of the business model is to get the girls to move around quite frequently. There have always been a few who stay around long term, but most rotate. I'm not quite sure why. Maybe it's to keep the staff ignorant of the local scene in case the authorities come in. There are others on the board who may know why this is. I don't.

No, it does not work like that... At least not in the DC area. Girls move to other places to make more money or because they do not fit in with whereever they are at. That's it.

Rejected Monke
02-25-08, 12:15
You know those phone conversations (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=619283&postcount=2209) I wrote up?

Those weren't exactly fiction. They're based on the Black Wednesday wiretaps mixed with more recent hearsay from working girls. The girls and taxis and managers would always discuss how much money could be made. In response to managers at lame ass places who kept begging for beautiful big-breasted girls even though the money sucked, the taxis would explain that they didn't want to bring higher quality girls, because when they did, the girls would leave out of frustration and not only talk crap about the place, but also about the taxi driver for wasting their time and money (taxi fee).

Meanwhile, it's no secret that DC was a top destination because of the money to be made (not to mention the relatively low danger from DC police). Unfortunately, DC has now officially become a lame ass place.

I also once talked to a girl from LA and she was telling me about how in California there were Apartment AMPs where the price was $250/hr and the girl's cut is $150 (not anymore, as the area is now saturated with way too many AAMPs, hence the established price now is $200/hr). She desperately wanted to work there because her friend was making a lot of money and the hours were good (10AM-10PM)... So she asked a taxi friend to introduce her to the owners. The taxi friend's response? "Maybe if you lose some weight..." This girl got straight 8's and 9's on this board by the way.

I don't know why I keep repeating myself but... Right now, I don't think there are many (if any) girls in DC who deserve extra beyond $100. But like I said, with spring around the corner and recent LE activity at other destinations (Connecticut, New York, California), I fully expect at least a handful of higher-tier girls to appear in DC in the coming months.

When they do, don't f-ck it up. And ESPECIALLY follow this rule, and yes this rule is even more important than tipping them extra: Write a report.

Share your experience with a report on this board so they can get more customers. Don't fool yourself into thinking you're doing them any favors by keeping them a secret. It's all about the momentum, and if they make money, they'll tell their friends, and more and more girls will want to come back to DC.

Sleazebum
02-25-08, 14:23
I surely pity the one who is stuck on dialup and having to slog thru all the unneeded crap of the last several postings!

Go where you want to go and tip what you want to tip and shut the hell up about it!

None of all this prattle has enabled anyone to get laid or blown so it does NOT apply!

Why are we here? THINK about the mission of this web site!

If you want to argue, do it via PM, or better still face to face.

JJ

Big Daddy Don
02-25-08, 14:38
I surely pity the one who is stuck on dialup and having to slog thru all the unneeded crap of the last several postings!

Go where you want to go and tip what you want to tip and shut the hell up about it!

None of all this prattle has enabled anyone to get laid or blown so it does NOT apply!

Why are we here? THINK about the mission of this web site!

If you want to argue, do it via PM, or better still face to face.

JJ

You are right. I got caught up in BS. I deleted my posts.

Thanks for setting me straight!
BDD

NukeyNuke
02-25-08, 18:15
NukeyNuke et al,

With all due respect, I think you need a reality check. Don't get me wrong! I preached and prattled about this many times. The AMP girls are people and need to be treated with kindness for that reason alone. You treat people with dignity and respect, no matter what they do for a living.

....

So my advice is that if you are looking for a relationship, don't look for it in a massage parlor. Look for it online, in church, in some other venue where you practice your endeavors. But don't look for it at an AMP. To do so is to make your life and the life of the working girl more complex than it needs to be.

LexLuther

Lex,

I've always appreciated your perspective. By relationship, I mean a business relationship...not a 'take home to Mom' relationship. I, for one, could never have such with any of these girls. So, all of the part about that type of relationship doesn't matter.

I agree it's all about money. You get what you pay for. If you want better service and girls, we need to be willing to pay for them. However, there are ramifications to upping the base price.

Sleazebum,

I've always appreciated your perspective as well. I'm sure you will agree that the quality of provider and service is not what it used to be in DC.

I've had good and bad experiences, more bad than good lately. Never used to be this way in the past.

I think we need to give thought to how we can make it better. That was the purpose of my post. I'd like to think that it ties in with yours to a certain extent, in an effort to make the quality of the lay or blow better. In that vein, I think we can afford some intelligent conversation on the issue. Remember, it is US who REALLY set the prices (and thus the quality of service) in DC...simple economics.

Best all,

Nuke

LexLuther
02-25-08, 18:47
Fair enough. I re-read your report and I offer my apology. You do seem to have been talking about a business relationship vice a personal one. My bad.

And I appreciate and value your perspective as well. I agree with you that there is value in discussing the business here. I mean we all spend a lot of money on these girls. We owe it to ourselves to try to understand the business.

Having said that, I also have to say that the industry is what it is. It's not clear to me that we (as customers) have the power to change any of that. One thing you have to keep in mind about this business is that it's basically illegal. When you are talking about patronizing a bar or a barber ship, you have alternatives and you can talk about possibly changing things through your patronage. But in some respects the AMP business is like buying illegal drugs, except that you are paying for a service and not a product.

In that respect the industry sort of has you over a barrel. At least that's how it seems to me.

LexLuther

Sleazebum
02-25-08, 20:31
There are not nearly enough of us to make a bit of difference to any of the stuff people are arguing about here.

The moderator should delete all these posts, mine included, that are OFF TOPIC.

JJ


Lex,

I've always appreciated your perspective. By relationship, I mean a business relationship...not a 'take home to Mom' relationship. I, for one, could never have such with any of these girls. So, all of the part about that type of relationship doesn't matter.

I agree it's all about money. You get what you pay for. If you want better service and girls, we need to be willing to pay for them. However, there are ramifications to upping the base price.

Sleazebum,

I've always appreciated your perspective as well. I'm sure you will agree that the quality of provider and service is not what it used to be in DC.

I've had good and bad experiences, more bad than good lately. Never used to be this way in the past.

I think we need to give thought to how we can make it better. That was the purpose of my post. I'd like to think that it ties in with yours to a certain extent, in an effort to make the quality of the lay or blow better. In that vein, I think we can afford some intelligent conversation on the issue. Remember, it is US who REALLY set the prices (and thus the quality of service) in DC...simple economics.

Best all,

Nuke

Friendly1
02-25-08, 20:40
USG has a primary purpose, as we all know, but other intel that we share is of great value to many of us. I was very interested in the AMP business model when I first started going and the info I got from USG and other boards has been very helpful to me as I became more active. Those days are gone, but I still enjoy reading the reviews and sampling the establishments from time-to-time. What is not helpful is the flaming that goes on.

FWIW

CabDriver52
02-25-08, 22:53
Can we get away from the price/girl/BS talk. Someone, anyone go out and get some. Hopefully I'll get a chance this week, maybe early next week. I'll go. Happy at 1413 sounds promising. Last time I was there I had Nana. Incredible experience. I would recommend her. Nice ass, trim clam, perfect boobs. No nonsense type of girl. She likes the hand signs too, so nothing gets said incase LE happens to be listening. Besides, all I did was go for a nice back massage and it turned into a back massage and a foot massage.

Hoping the price/debate will go away. I agree that we need to keep the price down, but it's like gasoline, we all need it no matter what the price.

That's all I'm going to say about that (thus spoke Forrest Gump)

Cabbie!

NukeyNuke
02-26-08, 01:00
Fair enough. I re-read your report and I offer my apology. You do seem to have been talking about a business relationship vice a personal one. My bad.

And I appreciate and value your perspective as well. I agree with you that there is value in discussing the business here. I mean we all spend a lot of money on these girls. We owe it to ourselves to try to understand the business.

Having said that, I also have to say that the industry is what it is. It's not clear to me that we (as customers) have the power to change any of that. One thing you have to keep in mind about this business is that it's basically illegal. When you are talking about patronizing a bar or a barber ship, you have alternatives and you can talk about possibly changing things through your patronage. But in some respects the AMP business is like buying illegal drugs, except that you are paying for a service and not a product.

In that respect the industry sort of has you over a barrel. At least that's how it seems to me.

LexLuther

Thanks Lex. I appreciate that. No apology necessary...a simple misunderstanding during a discussion...that's all.

You're absolutely right. They have us 'over a barrel' so to speak. I'm just trying to facilitate discussion on how (or if) we can find a way to somehow exert some control or perhaps to modify the situation.

I'm basically trying to get better service versus the lackadaisical service we've seen in DC lately. I'm looking for the service we all saw in the past like at the Ginza and Downtown spas of old. It's out there, somewhere...just not here. If I have to pay more for it, fine. I just want to get some guarantees that if I begin to pay what I'm seeing paid in other cities, I'll get significantly better service than I'm currently getting.

Sleazebum,

Honestly, I understand your desire to keep to the essence of this forum. This is not an argument or debate. Both of those positions insinuate a disagreement of some sort on the issue and I don't see this being that...I think we all agree we want better service. However, I think these discussions would serve to help you as well. Considering we DO pay quite a bit in the pursuit of this hobby, it would be beneficial to determine a way to get the most out of it that we can. Don't you agree?

Certainly we can restrict the discussion to commenting on, highlighting, or showcasing a particular provider or experience. But if the provider is dissatisfied with their compensation and move on after a month or so, then we've lost an asset we all can enjoy. Our commentary should also assist in determining ways to keep around the BEST talent. Quantity is nice, but quality is what seems to keep most mongers coming back. Individual providers are what I consider to be an interim solution. I love the AMPs and table showers...

And ain't nothin' like finding a AMP chick that'll work you the way you wanna be worked...every time...without fail...without asking or you having to tell them how...and can knock it like you want. Isn't that why, when we stumble upon that provider, after trying dozens, we loose our fucking minds and keep coming back to her until she is 'gone'? Of course it is.



Actually, Rejected Monke's phone conversations tell the story. If they are an accurate portrayal of the situation, they suggest we may need to give consideration to possibly slightly increasing our prices (like the rest of the Nation) to get the real quality of service we seek. These girls obviously see an increased risk with the DC area and the best are unwilling to venture south and incur the perceived risk for the low payout.

This discussion is about how to draw those "quality" providers into DC and how to keep them around longer. I'm bringing this before the fellow mongers for discussion and opinion. I believe it could serve to benefit us all. I really hope you will contribute and give us the benefit of your experience and wisdom.

Oh, and CabDriver, it's NOT like gasoline. We can always go to our SO's or SW's or any number of other places to 'get it'...hell, push come shove, we can do it ourselves if need be. Not getting it isn't going to keep us from functioning. And, not paying for it at all and letting the AMP's go dry or slacking up on their use IS a form of protest. Not one I advocate because of the long term consequences but one nevertheless.

I believe in the power of multiple minds. That is why I'm bringing this all up. Hopefully, between us all we can some up with a strategy to increase service.

Thanks,

Nuke

A John
02-26-08, 06:27
One major issue is that we hear on this forum probably are less than 10 percent of business.

For instance during downtown`s boycott they were still seeing 90 customers a day. Yes I know that's a lot of ding dong`s (I'm talking about the doorbell) get your mind out of the gutter. lol

The way to increase talent / volume its probably going to take money. What I've heard in Atlanta there getting close to $$ tip in some of the higher end places. If I know I'm cute/good I'm going with the money.

I don't know about anybody here but if I was a lady in order to have 10 stabbings a day I want to get it were the money is.

Furthermore if I was a lady I'd be eating PUSSY definitely not dealing with some of the fat stinky ass cheap people I've seen in these places.

Happy Hunting
AJ

Rejected Monke
02-26-08, 07:00
One major issue is that we hear on this forum probably are less than 10 percent of business.

For instance during downtown`s boycott they were still seeing 90 customers a day. Yes I know that's a lot of ding dong`s (I'm talking about the doorbell) get your mind out of the gutter. lol

The way to increase talent / volume its probably going to take money. What I've heard in Atlanta there getting close to $$ tip in some of the higher end places. If I know I'm cute/good I'm going with the money.

I don't know about anybody here but if I was a lady in order to have 10 stabbings a day I want to get it were the money is.

Furthermore if I was a lady I'd be eating PUSSY definitely not dealing with some of the fat stinky ass cheap people I've seen in these places.

Happy Hunting
AJ

Excellent points.

This is not directed at A John, but to those who underestimate the impact of this board. Let's keep in mind that the Downtown boycott was only being pursued by a select few, and in the grand scheme of things, five or six customers who may or may not visit once a week is not going to make a dent. There were still plenty of lurkers and posters who graced Downtown with their patronage.

Let's also keep in mind that just because we're 10% of the business doesn't mean we account for 10% at the individual level. For example, we could account for as high as 40%-50% of an individual girl's business (i.e. Bebe of Sun).

To make this clearer, let's just use a simple example:

There are 100 total guys. 10 guys (10%) are USG readers.

There are 10 girls. All things equal, they normally see 10 guys each, with girls seeing 1 USGer each.

An awesome review for Girl X pops up. 5 other USG readers decide to check out Girl X. So now she has 15 guys. That's a 50% increase in demand for HER business, while 5 other girls lost 10% of their business at the individual level. Now obviously, she won't be able to see all 15 of those guys (unless she is some sort of f-cking machine), but the fact that the demand is there will ensure her longevity.

That's why even though I advocate tipping extra for girls who provide exceptional service, sharing and reporting is even more important.

Do you guys want to know why Supra had the best looking lineup in DC from late last summer thru early winter? Because that's where the money was as girls would average $1000 a day. It's all about the Benjamins.

Ginger Man
02-26-08, 18:13
I have had the pleasure of an hour with these two ladies during the last few weeks. I enjoyed both visits. Both ladies are in their late thirties, yes with a few miles on them, but they made it up to me in service and attitude. I am older so I do not need girls in their twenties, they tend to upset me.

Misha is thin, looks totally Korean, with cute short hair. She is all natural, and petite all around. Nana is buxom, with amazing bazoombas--wow, huge and natural. She has something else in her besides Korean, maybe Hispanic, maybe Anglo. She looks exotic.

Their service is very, very similar. What I would call "Dallas Treatment." If any of you guys ever were hobbying in Dallas a few years ago, you would spend more than we do for this service, albeit with a younger provider.

If the spa thing does not work out, either one of them could work at Cirque de Soleil as a sword swallower, that is an amazing gift.

Good showers, good soft massages, all the extras, I will be back.

Be nice to the little dog and Mama will put in a good word for you. Peace.

Dr Bombay
02-26-08, 18:49
I wonder if Nana is the name of the week or the ladies are working a circuit. The Nana I know and visit is at Rio. She's short and cute, says she 28 and I believe her. Amazing ta-tas, feel and look real.

I saw her a few days ago and got the gfe treatment, I guess because I'm a regular. Very enthusiastic dfk, a/r. She's very loving and personable.

When I arrived we had to wait for the shower. I started to get frisky and she ran out to get the cover. I unleashed my dog of war LOL and we had at it. I thought it would be the quickest visit I ever had but I held off and we hit the t/s. It was a long shower as she kept popping out of her bra and I had to taste.

When we got back, she insisted on the massagi. Very light, but all areas were covered, very relaxing.

Afterwards, I returned the favor with tongue and fingers. Nana got into it and squirted. The first time I'd seen that. We hit all positions. I know we went over the hour. At Rio, they encourage repeat business by treating us to the little extras. Nana has a great personality and body. I will repeat.

Rejected Monke
02-26-08, 23:58
I wonder if Nana is the name of the week or the ladies are working a circuit. The Nana I know and visit is at Rio. She's short and cute, says she 28 and I believe her. Amazing ta-tas, feel and look real.


There is no circuit... But these Nana's are all different.

Also, Nana at Rio (formerly Coco of Sun) is actually 50.........

CabDriver52
02-27-08, 00:46
Well, I was dreaming earlier tonight. Fell asleep on the couch again.

I find myself inside MCDXIII.

So I'm ushered inside to room 3. I wait maybe 10 minutes and then in comes this creature of beautiful proportions. Curly long hair, pretty face and perfect skin. She felt like silk. So we're off to the shower, everything was cleaned nicely. Back to the room, I'm face down and she's lightly rubbing my back and legs. Totally relaxed me. Next, I flip over and the picture of perfection is wearing her birthday suit waiting for me to grab her and kiss her. Next we progress to her "taking the bull bu the horns". Next, we're off into a wonderful CG, next walking the dog and finally meeting a missionary. Incredible girl. So soft, so "Happy" to please. Kept moaning and rolling with it all. I'm not sure if she came but We were having so much fun, I didn't care. The whole time lasted 55 min, I wasn't going to complain. I think next Monday, I'll still be smiling.

So I'm ushered inside to room 3. I wait maybe 10 minutes and then in comes this creature of beautiful proportions. Curly long hair, pretty face and perfect skin. She felt like silk. So we're off to the shower, everything was cleaned nicely. Back to the room, I'm face down and she's lightly rubbing my back and legs. Totally relaxed me. Next, I flip over and the picture of perfection is wearing her birthday suit waiting for me to grab her and kiss her. Next we progress to her "taking the bull bu the horns". Next, we're off into a wonderful CG, next walking the dog and finally meeting a missionary. Incredible girl. So soft, so "Happy" to please. Kept moaning and rolling with it all. I'm not sure if she came but We were having so much fun, I didn't care. The whole time lasted 55 min, I wasn't going to complain. I think next Monday, I'll still be smiling.

Service : 9
Attitude : 9
Her : 9
Would I repeat : hell yeah...I recommend her

I brought a little gift and I think it helped. For all those who are against spending $6 for a small gift, bite me!

Anyway, off to sleep this off, no tequila required tonight!

Cabbie!

PS Be careful, there's bacon all over in the place. I passed 3-4 cop cars pulling people over local to 1413. Plus a series of donut-crew chilling in the park on the next block, checking out, what I'm guessing the homeless. Just an FYI. Be careful out there!

COAO

NukeyNuke
02-27-08, 02:16
I have had the pleasure of an hour with these two ladies during the last few weeks. I enjoyed both visits. Both ladies are in their late thirties, yes with a few miles on them, but they made it up to me in service and attitude. I am older so I do not need girls in their twenties, they tend to upset me.

Misha is thin, looks totally Korean, with cute short hair. She is all natural, and petite all around. Nana is buxom, with amazing bazoombas--wow, huge and natural. She has something else in her besides Korean, maybe Hispanic, maybe Anglo. She looks exotic.

Their service is very, very similar. What I would call "Dallas Treatment." If any of you guys ever were hobbying in Dallas a few years ago, you would spend more than we do for this service, albeit with a younger provider.

If the spa thing does not work out, either one of them could work at Cirque de Soleil as a sword swallower, that is an amazing gift.

Good showers, good soft massages, all the extras, I will be back.

Be nice to the little dog and Mama will put in a good word for you. Peace.

Actually, I've been hobbying in Dallas back and forth for the past year or two. You are right. You pay a little more but get a younger provider and better service.

Dallas has had its share of LE problems lately but when I was there about a month ago, it seemed like it was in the middle of a rebound...there is a spa around every corner there. More than twice the number of establishments than in DC and the talent is excellent.