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I knew MWT was going South for quite a while. I would visit after two weeks of being away, and find just a few ads in the West Michigan section that I missed. Reviews were always the same providers, and the shit storms seemed to be started by the same few providers.
What I am looking for now is to replace MWT as a secondary location to find info about providers. It was always nice to be able to match up photos of providers from Backpage to Midwesttimez and see the differences based on environment. I could see in one place they provided BBBJWS, but another was ALL COVERED, I could then call them on it and usually get he BBBJ.
So my question is. Where did they all go now?
And since I have your attention, I want to thank all of you that post here. It has been a wealth of information over the years and it is my absolute go to!
I knew MWT was going South for quite a while. I would visit after two weeks of being away, and find just a few ads in the West Michigan section that I missed. Reviews were always the same providers, and the shit storms seemed to be started by the same few providers.
What I am looking for now is to replace MWT as a secondary location to find info about providers. It was always nice to be able to match up photos of providers from Backpage to Midwesttimez and see the differences based on environment. I could see in one place they provided BBBJWS, but another was ALL COVERED, I could then call them on it and usually get he BBBJ.
So my question is. Where did they all go now?
And since I have your attention, I want to thank all of you that post here. It has been a wealth of information over the years and it is my absolute go to!They will eventually end up right here. The new enhanced USAsexguide that has been getting some upgrades will have interactive chat rooms for the providers to chat with mongers. They all need to become members.
Member #6418
08-05-16, 11:30
Just wondering if any women out there have some milk to share.
TheCompany
08-05-16, 23:17
Any of you recall or know what happened to Lady Lisa. Girl friend of hers Trinity was awesome.
Member #5862
08-11-16, 13:40
I found this picture uploaded I believe in the SW forum. She looks like a SW I picked up yesterday on the Ð. The glasses look about right. I didn't get a good look at her face because I was busy paying attention to her arms to check for visible sores.
She said her name was Amber. She told me does walk the stroll a lot and usually about the the time I scooped her up which was around 4 AM.
I see the donation amounts many here have been paying. Make sure to negotiate the donation amount to a more affordable price. Every provider will negotiate. I have been at it over 30 years and the only girl I remember that would not negotiate was Thai Princess. Thai Princess was right up my alley in looks so I prolly didn't try hard enough to get her donation lower. I have fucked providers free (Barbie, Ivy) up to Thai Princess's price of 200. The more affordable we keep these girls the more often we can be fucking!
Also, when seeing a provider, ask about any "friends" they may have that would like a date. You'll be surprised with all the additional girls you'll end up with. I have seen one provider (chrissy) and referred to Roxy (utr girl, never posted, very few clients) and then Roxy referred me to Lena. That's just the latest example of referrals. So don't be afraid to ask about "friends" they may have, heck you might get a girl that wants to start out and you'd be her first date.
I see the donation amounts many here have been paying. Make sure to negotiate the donation amount to a more affordable price. Every provider will negotiate. I have been at it over 30 years and the only girl I remember that would not negotiate was Thai Princess. Thai Princess was right up my alley in looks so I prolly didn't try hard enough to get her donation lower. I have fucked providers free (Barbie, Ivy) up to Thai Princess's price of 200. The more affordable we keep these girls the more often we can be fucking!
Also, when seeing a provider, ask about any "friends" they may have that would like a date. You'll be surprised with all the additional girls you'll end up with. I have seen one provider (chrissy) and referred to Roxy (utr girl, never posted, very few clients) and then Roxy referred me to Lena. That's just the latest example of referrals. So don't be afraid to ask about "friends" they may have, heck you might get a girl that wants to start out and you'd be her first date.Referrals are usually fun but negotiations can be challenging.
I usually see a new girl on a week day, Sunday and Tuesday through Thursday. They answer the phone faster and are willing to offer more service for less money before 3 pm.
Don't bother with Monday, it's seems as busy as the weekend. The ladies laugh because Monday is for the married guys that didn't get any from the wife on the weekend.
The negotiated price usually stick for the next appointment too.
Don't try to negotiate Friday through Saturday night, they will wait for the right price.
Happy hunting.
Referrals are usually fun but negotiations can be challenging.
I usually see a new girl on a week day, Sunday and Tuesday through Thursday. They answer the phone faster and are willing to offer more service for less money before 3 pm.
Don't bother with Monday, it's seems as busy as the weekend. The ladies laugh because Monday is for the married guys that didn't get any from the wife on the weekend.
The negotiated price usually stick for the next appointment too.
Don't try to negotiate Friday through Saturday night, they will wait for the right price.
Happy hunting.I know alot of GPS out there.
Referrals are usually fun but negotiations can be challenging.
I usually see a new girl on a week day, Sunday and Tuesday through Thursday. They answer the phone faster and are willing to offer more service for less money before 3 pm.
Don't bother with Monday, it's seems as busy as the weekend. The ladies laugh because Monday is for the married guys that didn't get any from the wife on the weekend.
The negotiated price usually stick for the next appointment too.
Don't try to negotiate Friday through Saturday night, they will wait for the right price.
Happy hunting.You right about price sticking. Usually once you get them down they keep that price for you. I usually mention I need a regular and that helps with negotiations. Be ready to walk if they don't drop the price, sometimes they think it over and give you a text back.
I've been texting back and forth with a local massage parlor girl for the last couple of weeks. I've only seen one post from her in an obscure location, so I consider her UTR and unreviewed. She is looking to make some extra money this weekend outside of her normal gig. This would not be at a massage parlor location and you would either have to host (pick her up) or do a car date as she does not have a vehicle. She is located near 28th and 131. Seniors, PM me for contact information and details if you are interested.
I've been texting back and forth with a local massage parlor girl for the last couple of weeks. I've only seen one post from her in an obscure location, so I consider her UTR and unreviewed. She is looking to make some extra money this weekend outside of her normal gig. This would not be at a massage parlor location and you would either have to host (pick her up) or do a car date as she does not have a vehicle. She is located near 28th and 131. Seniors, PM me for contact information and details if you are interested.I set you a pm. Thanks in advance.
I've been texting back and forth with a local massage parlor girl for the last couple of weeks. I've only seen one post from her in an obscure location, so I consider her UTR and unreviewed. She is looking to make some extra money this weekend outside of her normal gig. This would not be at a massage parlor location and you would either have to host (pick her up) or do a car date as she does not have a vehicle. She is located near 28th and 131. Seniors, PM me for contact information and details if you are interested.I just had a good time with this girl pm for details. Seniors!
I just had a good time with this girl pm for details. Seniors!Your inbox is full!
AlsoRedForMan
09-13-16, 08:48
Any of you recall or know what happened to Lady Lisa. Girl friend of hers Trinity was awesome.I have not seen or heard of her in about 15 years she was a blast total free spirit fun.
Does anyone know if NoNonsenseLady will be coming back to Grand Rapids for a visit in the future?
Does anyone know if NoNonsenseLady will be coming back to Grand Rapids for a visit in the future?Last time I talked to NNL she said if she comes back she will be spending all her time visiting family. No hobby time on her return visit.
FineByMe72
09-13-16, 22:01
I saw her out in San Diego not long ago and she said she'd like to come back at Thanksgiving but isn't sure she'll have the funds to do so. And it sounded like she might only see a few old friends if she did make it back. She seemed to be doing well and looked as good as ever and her service was of course top notch.
Last time I talked to NNL she said if she comes back she will be spending all her time visiting family. No hobby time on her return visit.
NoNonsenseLady
09-16-16, 17:54
I saw her out in San Diego not long ago and she said she'd like to come back at Thanksgiving but isn't sure she'll have the funds to do so. And it sounded like she might only see a few old friends if she did make it back. She seemed to be doing well and looked as good as ever and her service was of course top notch.It was so much fun to see you while you were here! Thanks to you and RepArgent and Benz for the sweet discussion about me. It sure is nice to think that some of you guys remember me fondly.
It doesn't look like I will be getting out there this year after all, as much as I miss everyone.
But if any of you make it to SD please get in touch. Or really anywhere in San Diego, Orange, Riverside or Los Angeles counties. I will try to see you if I can!!
Here is my current ad:
http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/-5/posts/1-Independent-Escorts/1-Independent-Escorts/20494-A-Real-Woman-A-Real-Person-.html
FarFarAway
09-19-16, 08:32
You gents don't have a sugar dating thread for GR, so I am resorting to posting here. I will be in your fine city in the near future and have lined up several babies I am aiming to meet while there. I am trying to learn what the market is generally. I don't want to overpay or insult the girl with my offer. I am hoping this will be more economical than my home on the west coast. Of course, these are 1-time deals, not allowances, but indications on what girls are getting, especially if there is a difference between white and hispanic girls, would be appreciated. Feel free to PM if you wish to keep on the down-low. If any of you has knowledge of any GR girls on sugar sites that would also be welcome.
You gents don't have a sugar dating thread for GR, so I am resorting to posting here. I will be in your fine city in the near future and have lined up several babies I am aiming to meet while there. I am trying to learn what the market is generally. I don't want to overpay or insult the girl with my offer. I am hoping this will be more economical than my home on the west coast. Of course, these are 1-time deals, not allowances, but indications on what girls are getting, especially if there is a difference between white and hispanic girls, would be appreciated. Feel free to PM if you wish to keep on the down-low. If any of you has knowledge of any GR girls on sugar sites that would also be welcome.I frequently meet women off of SA here in GR, so if you want to send me a message with what you're looking at and what I'm providing then feel free to. They can vary widely here in GR.
I wonder how easy would be to get a permanent SA thread going.
I frequently meet women off of SA here in GR, so if you want to send me a message with what you're looking at and what I'm providing then feel free to. They can vary widely here in GR.
I wonder how easy would be to get a permanent SA thread going.Send a Private message to Admin2.
FarFarAway
10-01-16, 19:34
I frequently meet women off of SA here in GR, so if you want to send me a message with what you're looking at and what I'm providing then feel free to. They can vary widely here in GR.I hope you get it going. I was just there and met one gal. There were several others I messaged with that I can talk about on PM (I'm really on the down low, I have a SO). I think there are some hot women there, but my preference and situation are somewhat limiting.
Mike Yepthatsm
10-02-16, 11:53
I was like a kid in a candy store when I first joined SA. I can be tough for someone with a SO, but very doable. I've got one college student that I've been seeing every couple of weeks for nearly a year now.
I hope you get it going. I was just there and met one gal. There were several others I messaged with that I can talk about on PM (I'm really on the down low, I have a SO). I think there are some hot women there, but my preference and situation are somewhat limiting.
FarFarAway
10-03-16, 00:20
I was like a kid in a candy store when I first joined SA. I can be tough for someone with a SO, but very doable. I've got one college student that I've been seeing every couple of weeks for nearly a year now.Yeah, been there done that. I am settling down but still looking for that unicorn, the smoking hot 1/3 my age girl (who also wants to fuck *me, of course). I have the hot MILF regular SB in So Cal.
Member #5862
10-05-16, 07:28
I'm not going to make the same mistake that I did last time regarding Facebook. This is a general question / observation. I've noticed that a lot of SW or ex SW's have Facebook accounts and are friends of other SW.
They usually have a lot of friends 200+ on average. How would why'all go about asking one for their phone number? Would you make a secondary account or use your own personal one? I'm guessing it would be the former because of the use of burner phones.
But a newly created Facebook page with little friends might scare them off. I think they would be a little leery and figure it might be a trap.
Facebook might be the new CL or BP. As far as meeting new people.
I'm not going to make the same mistake that I did last time regarding Facebook. This is a general question / observation. I've noticed that a lot of SW or ex SW's have Facebook accounts and are friends of other SW.
They usually have a lot of friends 200+ on average. How would why'all go about asking one for their phone number? Would you make a secondary account or use your own personal one? I'm guessing it would be the former because of the use of burner phones.
But a newly created Facebook page with little friends might scare them off. I think they would be a little leery and figure it might be a trap.
Facebook might be the new CL or BP. As far as meeting new people.This could be interesting.
We could create a new fb account to contact providers, but you think they wouldn't respond because we have no friends. We could start with all the seniors on this forum that are setting up fake FB accounts at the same time. We could use our USA screen name as a nick name.
Good idea, we should start today.
This could be interesting.
We could create a new fb account to contact providers, but you think they wouldn't respond because we have no friends. We could start with all the seniors on this forum that are setting up fake FB accounts at the same time. We could use our USA screen name as a nick name.
Good idea, we should start today.I have a facebook page for my hobby all set up. There are several mongers on FB as well as many providers. What you have to do is go out and find the most popular celebrity there is around you (TV reporter, singer, political activist etc.) and ask to friend every one of their friends. I used Rick Albin from TV8. You will be surprised how many do that without hesitation. The real trick is that when you do gain a generic friend, set them up so that they DO NOT APPEAR in your news feed. Only have the people you want to show up. That way, when someone looks at your page, they will see you have 200 friends, but when you go to your news feed, you only see your fellow enthusiasts. THen you "group" your friends so that you know who your providers are and your fellow mongers etc.
Yes, I can see a lot of street walkers becoming FB walkers in the near future.
Member #5862
10-05-16, 15:24
I have a facebook page for my hobby all set up. There are several mongers on FB as well as many providers. What you have to do is go out and find the most popular celebrity there is around you (TV reporter, singer, political activist etc.) and ask to friend every one of their friends. I used Rick Albin from TV8. You will be surprised how many do that without hesitation. The real trick is that when you do gain a generic friend, set them up so that they DO NOT APPEAR in your news feed. Only have the people you want to show up. That way, when someone looks at your page, they will see you have 200 friends, but when you go to your news feed, you only see your fellow enthusiasts. THen you "group" your friends so that you know who your providers are and your fellow mongers etc.
Yes, I can see a lot of street walkers becoming FB walkers in the near future.Silly question. But would you upload any real pictures of yourself? I made an account specifically for mongering, and the strangest thing happened. One of my childhood friend send me a friend request within a few minutes of the account being created. It must have been because the e-mail address I used is in their address book. I may create a new and private email and facebook page all over again.
Silly question. But would you upload any real pictures of yourself? I made an account specifically for mongering, and the strangest thing happened. One of my childhood friend send me a friend request within a few minutes of the account being created. It must have been because the e-mail address I used is in their address book. I may create a new and private email and facebook page all over again.Oh hell no. No pictures unless it's on a burner phone account. I used my hobby email address and didn't give any information and is still recommending my family and friends. Facebook knows all.
Oh hell no. No pictures unless it's on a burner phone account. I used my hobby email address and didn't give any information and is still recommending my family and friends. Facebook knows all.Maybe I'll use a computer at the library to set up my email and fb accounts and Hopfully avoid the problem you're having with fb recognizing you.
Three Nutz
10-06-16, 18:55
Need some help from some Seniors here.
A friend of mine from eastside of state is coming over on business next week is asking about a recommendation for an outcall overnight. He is looking for a girl 30+ in good shape. Open menu and good skills and positive attitude.
Please PM me recommendation and possible link to BP posts.
Thanks.
3 Nutz approved post.
Silly question. But would you upload any real pictures of yourself? I made an account specifically for mongering, and the strangest thing happened. One of my childhood friend send me a friend request within a few minutes of the account being created. It must have been because the e-mail address I used is in their address book. I may create a new and private email and facebook page all over again.No way! I use an actors picture that I liken myself to. Currently, I have "Skipper" from Gilligan's Island on there. I'm not too far off from that. Hell, it works for the girls, why not me? The FB account is attached to my Gmail account, so it is totally separate from my real life.
If this isn't the proper place for it, let me know.
I'm somewhat annoyed by the lack of actual petite escorts. Slim and big boobs isn't petite to me, but there don't seem to be any smaller than maybe 34 b. Any escorts here or guys who have found (or are) true petite options? I'm guessing that as most guys want big ta tas, either they don't bother posting or lie?
Would love your thoughts. Or direction to a better forum for such an investigation.
Does anyone remember this taller, thin, Italian girl named Heather on the NE side? The was in an apartment near the Adobe restaurant. I always thought she was a super lay.
Mike Yepthatsm
10-09-16, 18:58
Yep. She went by the name Hailey I believe. Her number is still out there if you look on naughty reviews or TER. I haven't seen her in over a year, but when I did see her last she was at her apt by Adobe.
Does anyone remember this taller, thin, Italian girl named Heather on the NE side? The was in an apartment near the Adobe restaurant. I always thought she was a super lay.
Gentlemen, she's asking for more referrals. I've attached a few pictures at her request. There are probably two important points to note besides what I've mentioned below; she is about 7 months pregnant, and her "incall" is a storage facility. If you're interested, PM for her digits.
I've been texting back and forth with a local massage parlor girl for the last couple of weeks. I've only seen one post from her in an obscure location, so I consider her UTR and unreviewed. She is looking to make some extra money this weekend outside of her normal gig. This would not be at a massage parlor location and you would either have to host (pick her up) or do a car date as she does not have a vehicle. She is located near 28th and 131. Seniors, PM me for contact information and details if you are interested.
Gentlemen, she's asking for more referrals. I've attached a few pictures at her request. There are probably two important points to note besides what I've mentioned below; she is about 7 months pregnant, and her "incall" is a storage facility. If you're interested, PM for her digits.Storage Facility. That's a new one. Something to think about. Store a Bed and Couch.
Storage Facility. That's a new one. Something to think about. Store a Bed and Couch.A lot cheaper than a Notel. What did she have in there a cash register and a bed? A new twist on a reality show Storage Wars. LMFAO.
A lot cheaper than a Notel. What did she have in there a cash register and a bed? A new twist on a reality show Storage Wars. LMFAO.Guys, having rented storage facilities for non hobby purposes, you should know that most of the modern facilities have cameras covering the entrances recording license plates.
Older places are likely not a problem but play safe and do your recon.
Bronco6566
10-11-16, 17:23
A lot cheaper than a Notel. What did she have in there a cash register and a bed? A new twist on a reality show Storage Wars. LMFAO.That's going to be really cold in a few weeks! Lmao! What is she's not current on payments and the owner slaps on that secondary lock while you are in there?? I see all kinds of problems with this. LOL.
PolishTheTurd
10-11-16, 20:15
Storage Facility. That's a new one. Something to think about. Store a Bed and Couch.Is it climate controlled? It might be getting too cool outside soon to conduct business there.
RedWing814
10-12-16, 11:13
Just curious at what it takes to be a Senior member? Anyone have this info?
RedWing814
10-12-16, 11:15
Just curious at what it takes to be a Senior member? Anyone have this info?Just saw my status was upgraded, guess I made the cut. LOL.
Three Nutz
10-12-16, 12:42
Just curious at what it takes to be a Senior member? Anyone have this info?Once you reach a certian number of posts you get Senior status. It seems to be about 40.
Three Nutz
10-12-16, 12:47
Gentlemen, she's asking for more referrals. I've attached a few pictures at her request. There are probably two important points to note besides what I've mentioned below; she is about 7 months pregnant, and her "incall" is a storage facility. If you're interested, PM for her digits.Third Trimester and a rented Storage Facility?. Damn. Two fanticies in one!!
This post is 3 Nutz approved.
Once you reach a certian number of posts you get Senior status. It seems to be about 40.6 months of activity on board and you will receive senior status.
Is it climate controlled? It might be getting too cool outside soon to conduct business there.She told me she has a heater and air conditioning in there she will send pics it's like an little apt. In there. Not sure if I trust it just yet she does have a boyfriend / baby daddy never know he could be Waiting to rip you off. Be careful LOL.
MagicHands2
10-12-16, 18:25
Third Trimester and a rented Storage Facility?. Damn. Two fanticies in one!!
This post is 3 Nutz approved.LOL! Ahh. Maybe not.
PolishTheTurd
10-12-16, 22:04
She told me she has a heater and air conditioning in there she will send pics it's like an little apt. In there. Not sure if I trust it just yet she does have a boyfriend / baby daddy never know he could be Waiting to rip you off. Be careful LOL.Ripoff for sure. Need to keep your senses up. You may need to use the bathroom. Which is a 5 gallon bucket I assume? If you are lucky.
If this isn't the proper place for it, let me know.
I'm somewhat annoyed by the lack of actual petite escorts. Slim and big boobs isn't petite to me, but there don't seem to be any smaller than maybe 34 b. Any escorts here or guys who have found (or are) true petite options? I'm guessing that as most guys want big ta tas, either they don't bother posting or lie?
Would love your thoughts. Or direction to a better forum for such an investigation.Anyone? Suggestions?
HollandHobby
10-14-16, 00:47
Hey guys. Anyone know what ever happened to holly and Alyssa? They were roommates in standale area.
I had seen them both at one point and they are just gorgeous girls. A little pricey but I was willing to pay for their looks.
Second question. Someone said they loved seeking arrangement a while back. Anyone have luck on there? Membership prices are outrageous and seems like a lot of spam. Is there a trick to the site?
Hey guys. Anyone know what ever happened to holly and Alyssa? They were roommates in standale area.
I had seen them both at one point and they are just gorgeous girls. A little pricey but I was willing to pay for their looks.
Second question. Someone said they loved seeking arrangement a while back. Anyone have luck on there? Membership prices are outrageous and seems like a lot of spam. Is there a trick to the site?Holly is having your baby and Alyssa has been looking for you to collect on child support and expenses. Holly needs someone to replace all the money she's been losing on maternity leave. The hooker union said they're not covering any expenses because it appears to be work related. They told her to file her claim with Work Comp insurance, WC ins. said it appears to be self inflicted and she should have swallowed.
All of them advised, Find that HollandHobby guy.
Holly is having your baby and Alyssa has been looking for you to collect on child support and expenses. Holly needs someone to replace all the money she's been losing on maternity leave. The hooker union said they're not covering any expenses because it appears to be work related. They told her to file her claim with Work Comp insurance, WC ins. said it appears to be self inflicted and she should have swallowed.
All of them advised, Find that HollandHobby guy.What a scandalous little ****, she has been trying to tell me that it is my baby and it turns out that HH is the guy who got one past the goalie.
In all seriousness, pregnancy and childbirth do no favors to a woman's body. Let's see if she realizes that her best asset has been seriously compromised when she comes back, I'll hold my breath for a big drop in her rates.
Anyone? Suggestions?Get different glasses to make things look smaller. This is Backpage you're looking at not Frontpage!
Get different glasses to make things look smaller. This is Backpage you're looking at not Frontpage!Response of the year. Thanks for the laugh.
HollandHobby
10-14-16, 23:49
What a scandalous little ****, she has been trying to tell me that it is my baby and it turns out that HH is the guy who got one past the goalie.
In all seriousness, pregnancy and childbirth do no favors to a woman's body. Let's see if she realizes that her best asset has been seriously compromised when she comes back, I'll hold my breath for a big drop in her rates.Love the response guys. It all makes sense. A big drop in rates on either of those two would be great. Maybe I should be getting all the GPS ladies pregnant.
Yep. She went by the name Hailey I believe. Her number is still out there if you look on naughty reviews or TER. I haven't seen her in over a year, but when I did see her last she was at her apt by Adobe.Thanks for the response to this question on Hailey. I originally meant to mention the West side.
I also received a PM from my original post with digits for her. I've deleted the message to make a reply, but I've not been able to make contact with her.
Oh well, the search continues.
Member #5862
10-16-16, 06:46
I've never used a burner phone, so I'm a little wet behind the ears. My question is: would a phone from Walmart or Dollar General be consider as a burner phone? I know they are pay-as-you-go, but what kind of information, if any, is needed to activate one?
Mike Yepthatsm
10-16-16, 08:51
When I last saw her she told me she had a regular job that paid well. She would only contact me if / when she needed some extra cash. At the time, she was no longer posting availability. Perhaps she has moved on.
Thanks for the response to this question on Hailey. I originally meant to mention the West side.
I also received a PM from my original post with digits for her. I've deleted the message to make a reply, but I've not been able to make contact with her.
Oh well, the search continues.
I've never used a burner phone, so I'm a little wet behind the ears. My question is: would a phone from Walmart or Dollar General be consider as a burner phone? I know they are pay-as-you-go, but what kind of information, if any, is needed to activate one?When I bought my tracfone, the phone prompted me for info and I did not respond to any of its prompts and it eventually registered my phone without any information.
I'm getting a new phone soon, tracfone is offering a smart phone for 20 with 4 g. Pay as you go plan offers a 99 deal that looks good for data, test and talk. My current tracfone has limited range and I'm hoping to be able to use my new hobby phone from home. (the north woods).
I will be registering it with my new sudo name that I'm using on my new sudo FB page and email. Now if I'm emailing a provider on CL she can see me on fb and my phone with the same name. I bought a refurbished laptop too. Im Leaving my new toys at work or under the back seat of my car. If it's discovered , Ben from work forgot his laptop in my car. Money spent will be saved later by being able to contact CL providers that don't have the GPS of BP providers.
If a name shows up on a providers phone it might help to squelch the fear of LE for the provider.
When I last saw her she told me she had a regular job that paid well. She would only contact me if / when she needed some extra cash. At the time, she was no longer posting availability. Perhaps she has moved on.Thanks for sharing the insight, Mike.
It's great for her to move to independence. It would be better if she also still wanted to have adult fun.
I've many great BJs in my life, but never one from a woman with a pierced tongue. I suspect the right hardware would add to the stimulation. Any thoughts?
I've many great BJs in my life, but never one from a woman with a pierced tongue. I suspect the right hardware would add to the stimulation. Any thoughts?When you get a girl with a pierced tongue and she knows how to use it it's amazing. Next time Kandi is in town give her a go you will be blown away literally.
When you get a girl with a pierced tongue and she knows how to use it it's amazing. Next time Kandi is in town give her a go you will be blown away literally.I am trying to get some fun with a girl who has 3 piercings on her tongue, she is a dancer but likes to drink and some. I know I can get something from her but I am going to spend some money, guys lets make a collect so I can take that girl to the business world LOL.
Mr Bigshot
10-25-16, 08:36
When you get a girl with a pierced tongue and she knows how to use it it's amazing. Next time Kandi is in town give her a go you will be blown away literally.I can't remember ever getting a BJ from a lady with a pierced tongue, but maybe it wasn't memorable. Saying that, is it that much better than the best BJ you have ever gotten without a piercing? You peaked my interest, now I'm going to have to try it.
When I bought my tracfone, the phone prompted me for info and I did not respond to any of its prompts and it eventually registered my phone without any information.
I'm getting a new phone soon, tracfone is offering a smart phone for 20 with 4 g. Pay as you go plan offers a 99 deal that looks good for data, test and talk. My current tracfone has limited range and I'm hoping to be able to use my new hobby phone from home. (the north woods).
I will be registering it with my new sudo name that I'm using on my new sudo FB page and email. Now if I'm emailing a provider on CL she can see me on fb and my phone with the same name. I bought a refurbished laptop too. Im Leaving my new toys at work or under the back seat of my car. If it's discovered , Ben from work forgot his laptop in my car. Money spent will be saved later by being able to contact CL providers that don't have the GPS of BP providers.
If a name shows up on a providers phone it might help to squelch the fear of LE for the provider.There is also an App called Talkatone that allows you to call and text. Each time you shut it down, it clears out all your stuff and you need to re register on startup again, getting a new number each time. Just remember to close it down after you have your appt.
I can't remember ever getting a BJ from a lady with a pierced tongue, but maybe it wasn't memorable. Saying that, is it that much better than the best BJ you have ever gotten without a piercing? You peaked my interest, now I'm going to have to try it.The girl still must have skills but yes it makes alot better then with out one. Just going down on a girl with a pierced clit it makes it that much more enjoyable for her.
Member #5304
10-25-16, 20:04
A question, if I may, mostly for the senior members?
Does USG have (or know of) a member searchable comprehensive database of SPs profiles? I'm guessing the answer is no.
What if.
There was a member searchable referentially tied database that contained the comprehensive, detailed profiles of all SPs? Imagine a service, the "SP Dashboard' if you will that contains:
All of her post history, in all sites (BP, CL, TER, NR, TEM) etc. Complete with date / time up, ad text, pics, date / time down, phone number, email address if applicable, and ad duration.
A corresponding, comprehensive image repository linked to the SP with images showing date of first use, most recent use, flagged fakes, etc.
A corresponding link, if present to the SP's website, if any.
A corresponding SP profile containing info about availability and rates down to day of week, time of day, a comprehensive service menu, indexed links to member ratings in descend date sequence.
Assuming, that this does not exist, what if it could? How big would it need to be before members would be willing to pay a monthly fee for the privilege of its use? What if a bot / web crawler existed that has been collecting BP and CL SP posting history since the beginning of 2016 already? What if a prototype SP image repository existed (no, not your respective cell phones gentlemen)?
Imagine if you could spot candidate UTR SPs just based on the heuristics of their posting history? Or junkies / meth heads based on their posting behavior?
Of any value? Anything that USG would embrace?
Bubba this is all awesome stuff and you have to have some level of technical expertise to even be able to suggest it. I'm assuming you have been involved in development in the past. Here's the thing. Our rate sheet for advertising is available on the advertising FAQ. Think about the cost of what you're asking then look at our rate sheet, then count the ads.
Man I'd love to have the site you're talking about, it's way beyond our ability at this point. Maybe after BP fails and our classified site takes off.
A2
Member #5304
10-26-16, 18:20
A question, if I may, mostly for the senior members?
Does USG have (or know of) a member searchable comprehensive database of SPs profiles? I'm guessing the answer is no.
What if.
There was a member searchable referentially tied database that contained the comprehensive, detailed profiles of all SPs? Imagine a service, the "SP Dashboard' if you will that contains:
All of her post history, in all sites (BP, CL, TER, NR, TEM) etc. Complete with date / time up, ad text, pics, date / time down, phone number, email address if applicable, and ad duration.
A corresponding, comprehensive image repository linked to the SP with images showing date of first use, most recent use, flagged fakes, etc.
A corresponding link, if present to the SP's website, if any.
A corresponding SP profile containing info about availability and rates down to day of week, time of day, a comprehensive service menu, indexed links to member ratings in descend date sequence.
Assuming, that this does not exist, what if it could? How big would it need to be before members would be willing to pay a monthly fee for the privilege of its use? What if a bot / web crawler existed that has been collecting BP and CL SP posting history since the beginning of 2016 already? What if a prototype SP image repository existed (no, not your respective cell phones gentlemen)?
Imagine if you could spot candidate UTR SPs just based on the heuristics of their posting history? Or junkies / meth heads based on their posting behavior?
Of any value? Anything that USG would embrace?
Bubba this is all awesome stuff and you have to have some level of technical expertise to even be able to suggest it. I'm assuming you have been involved in development in the past. Here's the thing. Our rate sheet for advertising is available on the advertising FAQ. Think about the cost of what you're asking then look at our rate sheet, then count the ads.
Man I'd love to have the site you're talking about, it's way beyond our ability at this point. Maybe after BP fails and our classified site takes off.
A2Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. Yeah I guess I do know a bit about development, DB design, web service integration etc. (or perhaps think that I do? I run and manage a couple of my own sites (although all are completely unrelated to the hobby).
One of them has a very similar need for a high performance dynamic, image repository tied to a web crawler. Saw the similarity. That got me to thinking.
The idea's big picture. Its mission so to speak.
A commercial website whose business function is to provide its subscribing members access to a comprehensive set of web integrated tools whose usage can assist them in their informed search for a decent and safe experience. The tools would be consolidated within a series of web pages that I call The Dashboard.
The dashboard v1. 0, is conceptually just that, that users dashboard. They can configure it to filter, track and display the things that are important to them.
At its core is configurable multithreaded heuristics / analytics search engine siting on top of a metadata SP database containing 1) SP profiles, 2) related and linked images (the image repository itself would be a third party cloud service integrated with Tineye, Google, Dropbox, ******, and FB), 3) linked SP ad history via the bots and web crawler and RSL feeds, and 4) SP reviews.
Dissatisfied with the expensive, time consuming, and largely crapshoot process of finding decent providers at a fair price, I tried my own hand at developing an automated technique of analyzing SPs via their ads. It took a couple of tries and a crawler, but it is doable. I've had the crawler collecting MI data from CL and BP since early January.
Then I started refining it.
OrdinaryJo
10-27-16, 11:26
I have to laugh to myself as I read this only because I have spent the last two years rolling through developer after developer who said they know how to do things and didn't. THEN I log onto here and realize I am surrounded by people who actually understand how to do this stuff. The Irony kills me!
More power to you guys!
Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. Yeah I guess I do know a bit about development, DB design, web service integration etc. (or perhaps think that I do? I run and manage a couple of my own sites (although all are completely unrelated to the hobby).
One of them has a very similar need for a high performance dynamic, image repository tied to a web crawler. Saw the similarity. That got me to thinking.
The idea's big picture. Its mission so to speak.
A commercial website whose business function is to provide its subscribing members access to a comprehensive set of web integrated tools whose usage can assist them in their informed search for a decent and safe experience. The tools would be consolidated within a series of web pages that I call The Dashboard.
The dashboard v1. 0, is conceptually just that, that users dashboard. They can configure it to filter, track and display the things that are important to them.
At its core is configurable multithreaded heuristics / analytics search engine siting on top of a metadata SP database containing 1) SP profiles, 2) related and linked images (the image repository itself would be a third party cloud service integrated with Tineye, Google, Dropbox, ******, and FB), 3) linked SP ad history via the bots and web crawler and RSL feeds, and 4) SP reviews.
Dissatisfied with the expensive, time consuming, and largely crapshoot process of finding decent providers at a fair price, I tried my own hand at developing an automated technique of analyzing SPs via their ads. It took a couple of tries and a crawler, but it is doable. I've had the crawler collecting MI data from CL and BP since early January.
Then I started refining it.
Member #5304
10-27-16, 21:34
I have to laugh to myself as I read this only because I have spent the last two years rolling through developer after developer who said they know how to do things and didn't. THEN I log onto here and realize I am surrounded by people who actually understand how to do this stuff. The Irony kills me!
More power to you guys!I do not profess or claim to know jack s_ But I am pretty comfortable dinking around. The crawler and the ad history trend analysis were pretty straightforward. Heck, import the data into Excel and do basic macro trending and you can pick out all kinds of pattern based things.
The image stuff is a lot more complicated. The crux of the issue is how to solve the date of the image and the corresponding date that there is publicly available data of that image's first appearance in the public record. Conventional thinking posit that an image is "fake" if it is known to be in use elsewhere in close date proximity to the ad in question that contains it. Google has already solved this problem, but their algorithm is proprietary and they have a monster hashed image repository. Currently, the best the dashboard can do is to display the SP's composite image library, stripped of the non-image crap (warnings, disclaimers, cartoons etc.) and order them in descending date sequence. The filter's controls allow the user to: Include All Images, Include All With Fakes Flagged, or Include Only Non Flagged.
My goal is to have a working beta version by Christmas, or drink heavily.
Member #5304
10-28-16, 18:45
Question for the membership.
What kind of babies market is there her in GR? I ask because I'm searching for stable, longer term UTR LVP arrangement (s) and I'm not finding much that seems suitable. I'm not abandoning the search so much as I am thinking of expanding where else I look, and how I search. I don't know jack about the baby market and could use some guidance. My preference is a longer term UTR LVP per session arrangement but the candidate pool is pretty shallow. Typically that means the seniors got them all sewed up.
Care to share? Table scraps even?
Sensei Benz. What am I missing / overlooking?
Question for the membership.
What kind of babies market is there her in GR? I ask because I'm searching for stable, longer term UTR LVP arrangement (s) and I'm not finding much that seems suitable. I'm not abandoning the search so much as I am thinking of expanding where else I look, and how I search. I don't know jack about the baby market and could use some guidance. My preference is a longer term UTR LVP per session arrangement but the candidate pool is pretty shallow. Typically that means the seniors got them all sewed up.
Care to share? Table scraps even?
Sensei Benz. What am I missing / overlooking?Search of this forum for "Seeking Arrangements" should start you in the right direction for what you seek.
Search of this forum for "Seeking Arrangements" should start you in the right direction for what you seek.Currently there is only one baby on the SA ste for Grand Rapids. We are in Grand Rapids and might need to drive east for more opportunities.
Question for the membership.
What kind of babies market is there her in GR? I ask because I'm searching for stable, longer term UTR LVP arrangement (s) and I'm not finding much that seems suitable. I'm not abandoning the search so much as I am thinking of expanding where else I look, and how I search. I don't know jack about the baby market and could use some guidance. My preference is a longer term UTR LVP per session arrangement but the candidate pool is pretty shallow. Typically that means the seniors got them all sewed up.
Care to share? Table scraps even?
Sensei Benz. What am I missing / overlooking?When you speak of long term (mistress?) it also means you are willing to be available for their calls too. They will bring you drama, I need a ride to the doctor, my son needs new shoes and when are you coming to see me? Starts to feel like a wife instead of a mistress. They will be actively seeking your real name and address to gain more leverage in the arrangement.
I had a sweet arrangement. She didn't have a car so it was taking her places like doc, laundry and lunch it was going well until her and her sister were getting evicted from their apartment. There is not room on this forum for the rest of the story. I should have walked away.
So I ask what are you really looking for? My dad told me, the cheapest piece of ass he ever had was the one he paid for up front. You always know what the price is. The very professional NoNonsenseLady NNL explained to me that I'm not only paying for her services but I'm also paying her to leave and only come when called. Most providers are not as wise and professional as the legendary NNL.
Mike Yepthatsm
10-30-16, 11:18
Seeking arrangements can be awesome but it definitely takes work. I met with several before I found one I was interested in seeing on a regular basis. Currently I have a 20 yo Student I see regularly and have since last winter. For starters, they don't see themselves as prostitutes. Some prefer an allowance as opposed to pay for play. Your appearance matters to them (well maybe not all of them) as much as their appearance matters to you. I've heard stories of guys showing up wearing Velcro shoes and sweatpants. I've found if you have a picture in your profile you will get more responses. The picture can remain hidden until you want to shared to with someone. When writing your profile and responding to messages make sure you spell everything correctly and write intelligently. If you sound unintelligent they aren't going to believe you are successful and can afford a sugar baby. Give it a try, you may just find what you are looking for.
Question for the membership.
What kind of babies market is there her in GR? I ask because I'm searching for stable, longer term UTR LVP arrangement (s) and I'm not finding much that seems suitable. I'm not abandoning the search so much as I am thinking of expanding where else I look, and how I search. I don't know jack about the baby market and could use some guidance. My preference is a longer term UTR LVP per session arrangement but the candidate pool is pretty shallow. Typically that means the seniors got them all sewed up.
Care to share? Table scraps even?
Sensei Benz. What am I missing / overlooking?
Currently there is only one baby on the SA ste for Grand Rapids. We are in Grand Rapids and might need to drive east for more opportunities.I counted 9 SBs on the first page of SA using a Grand Rapids zip code today. There are more if you include Muskegon and other nearby environs.
I counted 9 SBs on the first page of SA using a Grand Rapids zip code today. There are more if you include Muskegon and other nearby environs.I've been a member of SA. Off and on for a year. $69 for one month. Some b. S. but some chances for success, as well. Was initiated with a 300 lb faker (nothing like her pic--I split), but next one, took me to a mobile home park for a meeting with a very cute 18 year old--with a kid. She said I was her first guy--and she wanted a certain amount, but settled for half. I had a "blast". She did too and wanted to meet right away. I put it off and she wound up moving out of state.
SA has a lot of GR girls. Who legitimately want an arrangement. Can't be too old looking or out of shape, I guess. Currently having a "getting to know each other"process with a very sexy, but sweet 21 year old. Met a couple times for dates, bought a few small items for her. Text a lot. Should be a nice payoff soon. Will keep posted.
I've been a member of SA. Off and on for a year. $69 for one month. Some b. S. but some chances for success, as well. Was initiated with a 300 lb faker (nothing like her pic--I split), but next one, took me to a mobile home park for a meeting with a very cute 18 year old--with a kid. She said I was her first guy--and she wanted a certain amount, but settled for half. I had a "blast". She did too and wanted to meet right away. I put it off and she wound up moving out of state.
SA has a lot of GR girls. Who legitimately want an arrangement. Can't be too old looking or out of shape, I guess. Currently having a "getting to know each other"process with a very sexy, but sweet 21 year old. Met a couple times for dates, bought a few small items for her. Text a lot. Should be a nice payoff soon. Will keep posted.Joined recently and have had a few page views but haven't reached out to any. Is their estimation of allowances being a minimum of 1 k a month legit? That seems extremely high. I've not found a good reference point for SB type arrangements.
Joined recently and have had a few page views but haven't reached out to any. Is their estimation of allowances being a minimum of 1 k a month legit? That seems extremely high. I've not found a good reference point for SB type arrangements.This is really a function of how far out of your league (if at all) the girl is. Would anyone believe that she would be with you without financial incentive? Good looking, mid 30's professionals are not charged anything close to what a 100 pound overweight 50 something is. The easier it is for you to score decent civis without opening your wallet, the less you will end up paying most SBs.
Joined recently and have had a few page views but haven't reached out to any. Is their estimation of allowances being a minimum of 1 k a month legit? That seems extremely high. I've not found a good reference point for SB type arrangements.The world of SB and seeing flatbackers are very similar with very few, but very important differences. As pointed out before, most (not all) of these women aren't seeing 10-200 guys. They're only seeing you, or just 1-4 guys. They also don't see themselves as a flatbacker, so that means different rules applies for them. They screen people and only move forward if they're actually interested / attracted to you. The biggest turn off for them is creepiness factor.
Generally in the world of SB's hotels are paid for by you, not by her (though not always). You can move it to their or your home, but as with any person, escort or not, there are lots of risks involved with that. Discretion is important for a lot of these ladies, so be mindful of that. Appearance and the persona of wealth is critical. A sugar daddy is generally a well off individual, you're not going to sell you're well off if you're rolling up in your 1983 Honda Civic. I'm not saying you have to show up in a Benz, but giving off the impression that you have wealth usually means you're not driving a rust bucket. Same for dress code, I always show up in a button up, tie, watch, slacks, minimum. Usually I show up in a suit and say that I'm coming from a business meeting (which is actually true).
SB's like to make things personal, so I have a fake persona. I use a throwaway name, working in a career that I have knowledge in, but I'm not in. I never give out my personal info or company info, even though it's fake.
As for allowances, the listed allowances are just for show. Most will see you for 200-700 range. There usually isn't a time limit to these meetings. For instance I was with one of my SBs this weekend, she stayed with me from 3 pm until 9 pm for 200. It's a different type of game, a different type of woman, and different type of expectation. Traditional escorts are good for get in and get out, no fuss. SBs are more engaging, so it means more time involved. More gifts, more dinners, but in my opinion the pay off is better. She still leaves me alone, less drug issues (still some), showing up to an appointment and communication is far better (once you establish an arrangement, it can still be dodgy if they're not interesting or still feeling you out).
I've been in this type of field for over 2 years, welcome to answer questions. I prefer it over escorting, but my time and availability is different.
The world of SB and seeing flatbackers are very similar with very few, but very important differences. As pointed out before, most (not all) of these women aren't seeing 10-200 guys. They're only seeing you, or just 1-4 guys. They also don't see themselves as a flatbacker, so that means different rules applies for them. They screen people and only move forward if they're actually interested / attracted to you. The biggest turn off for them is creepiness factor.
Generally in the world of SB's hotels are paid for by you, not by her (though not always). You can move it to their or your home, but as with any person, escort or not, there are lots of risks involved with that. Discretion is important for a lot of these ladies, so be mindful of that. Appearance and the persona of wealth is critical. A sugar daddy is generally a well off individual, you're not going to sell you're well off if you're rolling up in your 1983 Honda Civic. I'm not saying you have to show up in a Benz, but giving off the impression that you have wealth usually means you're not driving a rust bucket. Same for dress code, I always show up in a button up, tie, watch, slacks, minimum. Usually I show up in a suit and say that I'm coming from a business meeting (which is actually true).
SB's like to make things personal, so I have a fake persona. I use a throwaway name, working in a career that I have knowledge in, but I'm not in. I never give out my personal info or company info, even though it's fake.
As for allowances, the listed allowances are just for show. Most will see you for 200-700 range. There usually isn't a time limit to these meetings. For instance I was with one of my SBs this weekend, she stayed with me from 3 pm until 9 pm for 200. It's a different type of game, a different type of woman, and different type of expectation. Traditional escorts are good for get in and get out, no fuss. SBs are more engaging, so it means more time involved. More gifts, more dinners, but in my opinion the pay off is better. She still leaves me alone, less drug issues (still some), showing up to an appointment and communication is far better (once you establish an arrangement, it can still be dodgy if they're not interesting or still feeling you out).
I've been in this type of field for over 2 years, welcome to answer questions. I prefer it over escorting, but my time and availability is different.Everything you said makes a lot of sense. Same with the previous poster (thank you both).
I suspect a SB may be a preference for myself as well. Nothing at all against guys who prefer a SW or hr type, but the mental element is huge for me as well. I'd not be able to dream with another smoker as an example, my first dream I didn't consider even asking, and not only was it tough to deal with in the room, discretion is out the door if no one you know smokes but your clothes smell it.
Anyways, my point is that with a more constant and relatable arrangement, the slight increase (possibly) in overall 'work' and cash may be a moot point.
I'll ask a couple questions, but if this is best on another board or messages just let me know.
Are most the type to prefer constant visits? My schedule isn't completely flexible but more than some. Are there some who prefer rare / only occasionally hook up with a SD, or is it often more an income for them?
It's fascinating how the interactions have evolved. In no small part due to the Internet.
One last question, SA the best site? Is the 80 fee required or only if you find someone worth getting fully in touch with? I also signed up for mint, but it's not nearly as. Polished, is probably the word.
Also, that's damned impressive on the persona. Not a horrible idea, I don't use my real name but haven't kept all elements completely different. Shouldn't be overly complicated with technology.
Everything you said makes a lot of sense. Same with the previous poster (thank you both).
I suspect a SB may be a preference for myself as well. Nothing at all against guys who prefer a SW or hr type, but the mental element is huge for me as well. I'd not be able to dream with another smoker as an example, my first dream I didn't consider even asking, and not only was it tough to deal with in the room, discretion is out the door if no one you know smokes but your clothes smell it.
Anyways, my point is that with a more constant and relatable arrangement, the slight increase (possibly) in overall 'work' and cash may be a moot point.
I'll ask a couple questions, but if this is best on another board or messages just let me know.
Are most the type to prefer constant visits? My schedule isn't completely flexible but more than some. Are there some who prefer rare / only occasionally hook up with a SD, or is it often more an income for them?
It's fascinating how the interactions have evolved. In no small part due to the Internet.
One last question, SA the best site? Is the 80 fee required or only if you find someone worth getting fully in touch with? I also signed up for mint, but it's not nearly as. Polished, is probably the word.
Also, that's damned impressive on the persona. Not a horrible idea, I don't use my real name but haven't kept all elements completely different. Shouldn't be overly complicated with technology.I'll quickly give my viewpoint. 1) They vary. 2) SA seems to have quanity and quality. 3) $69 via credit card gives you a month to browse and categorize. I suspect there are spammers and fakers on there who will never meet you, but have no real proof of that. I recommend it as a less dangerous option. 4) There are SWs on there as well, masseuses and girls looking for boyfriends. Good luck.
One question for the group at large, how do you secure PayPal? I tried once with an alias and it required ssn. Lost a $ gift card because it's half registered under a fake account that I can't activate. But I don't overly trust the built in security as it shows who's paying.
Everything you said makes a lot of sense. Same with the previous poster (thank you both).
I suspect a SB may be a preference for myself as well. Nothing at all against guys who prefer a SW or hr type, but the mental element is huge for me as well. I'd not be able to dream with another smoker as an example, my first dream I didn't consider even asking, and not only was it tough to deal with in the room, discretion is out the door if no one you know smokes but your clothes smell it.
Anyways, my point is that with a more constant and relatable arrangement, the slight increase (possibly) in overall 'work' and cash may be a moot point.
I'll ask a couple questions, but if this is best on another board or messages just let me know.
Are most the type to prefer constant visits? My schedule isn't completely flexible but more than some. Are there some who prefer rare / only occasionally hook up with a SD, or is it often more an income for them?
It's fascinating how the interactions have evolved. In no small part due to the Internet.
One last question, SA the best site? Is the 80 fee required or only if you find someone worth getting fully in touch with? I also signed up for mint, but it's not nearly as. Polished, is probably the word.
Also, that's damned impressive on the persona. Not a horrible idea, I don't use my real name but haven't kept all elements completely different. Shouldn't be overly complicated with technology.You'll find all types of SBs. Some that want to meet up once a week, some that want to meet up once a month, etc. I've had in the past that wanted to meet up 3-4 days in a row and then cooled off for a few weeks and back at it again. For her she was different, she wanted a monthly allowance so I gave her 600/ month but we met up 4-10 times a month, usually 2-5 hours per time.
The fee is required, you can't message without it and to be honest most of them on there don't like to even message you unless they see that premium tag on your profile. There are scammers and time wasters on the site, you'll have to weed through them and figure it out.
Some see this as income, others see it as an extra to their life. You'll find all types.
You can find much good SB / SD info on this site in the Richmond, VA section:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not/page860
Above thread is most helpful if you start reading from the beginning. Thread highlights are indexed here:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ
One question for the group at large, how do you secure PayPal? I tried once with an alias and it required ssn. Lost a $ gift card because it's half registered under a fake account that I can't activate. But I don't overly trust the built in security as it shows who's paying.I would advise using paypal in the hobby on all accounts. Things I've done in the past - 1) Cash. 2) Prepaid credit card. 3) Just once I opened a bank account in HER name and didn't associate myself with it in anyway. I just deposited money into the account with cash.
You guys who are still using SA, how are you paying for it? I got a Visa prepaid card but it won't go through because it's not usable outside the USA. I can't seem to find any anonymous payment options that are usable internationally. Any suggestions?
You guys who are still using SA, how are you paying for it? I got a Visa prepaid card but it won't go through because it's not usable outside the USA. I can't seem to find any anonymous payment options that are usable internationally. Any suggestions?Just call their billing / customer service, they'll process the prepaid card no problems. I pay with a prepaid card every time.
Just call their billing / customer service, they'll process the prepaid card no problems. I pay with a prepaid card every time.What's the number? I looked everywhere on their website, and only found online forms, no number to call. Feel free to PM me a link to the right page, if you have it.
What's the number? I looked everywhere on their website, and only found online forms, no number to call. Feel free to PM me a link to the right page, if you have it.I don't remember it off hand, but I remember getting it support number after I opened a ticket on their website.
Member #5576
11-09-16, 10:18
I have been on the SA site now for a week or so and its really fun to talk to these ladies and try to make an arrangement. If anyone would like to share info back and forth with me about who is good or bad or share stories, please let me know. We could give each other reviews after we meet some of them. So who have you met on there and how did it go?
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MarcoPoloGr
11-15-16, 18:42
Hello I just have to say long time monger but its getting harder and harder of keeping up with hh for $ and covered. You old timers remember woodland hills fun fun times or playing on the d and going to bettys. Those where the days these girls today so many just don't measure up and very few good ones. Been on the l and d no one playing but most of all car play can't really do car date I wish we had a place to go to play and not on 28th st motel hotel dumps. The old days weren't that bad. To all of you lets b safe enjoy and all of us lets not b paying to much for so little fun.Ah, Betty & Willy's. Those were the days. There was also the Colonel's house, but that wasn't as nice as Betty & Willy's.
Member #5304
11-17-16, 19:00
When you speak of long term (mistress?) it also means you are willing to be available for their calls too. They will bring you drama, I need a ride to the doctor, my son needs new shoes and when are you coming to see me? Starts to feel like a wife instead of a mistress. They will be actively seeking your real name and address to gain more leverage in the arrangement.
I had a sweet arrangement. She didn't have a car so it was taking her places like doc, laundry and lunch it was going well until her and her sister were getting evicted from their apartment. There is not room on this forum for the rest of the story. I should have walked away.
So I ask what are you really looking for? My dad told me, the cheapest piece of ass he ever had was the one he paid for up front. You always know what the price is. The very professional NoNonsenseLady NNL explained to me that I'm not only paying for her services but I'm also paying her to leave and only come when called. Most providers are not as wise and professional as the legendary NNL.I want somebody who is:
A lower volume provider or MBA / SB equivalent.
Is interested in and able to maintain a "regular" arrangement.
Wants to and is able to enjoy mutually beneficial recreational fun, sans the emotional possessiveness and related psychological baggage.
Is able to maintain boundary / personal space protocol and decorum.
Has the skills or is comfortable and confident that she can learn them.
Is comfortable servicing me, and comfortable learning the nuances of same, is able to relax to where she can have fun, and is open minded enough to allow us to explore what she is capable of.
For me, that is the gist of the elusive GF experience. A woman who can read a man, knows which man to trust and when, knows how to give herself up to that man to be taken, used sexually, and absolutely effed senseless and is effing me back every step of the way.
Member #5304
11-17-16, 20:04
I do not profess or claim to know jack s_ But I am pretty comfortable dinking around. The crawler and the ad history trend analysis were pretty straightforward. Heck, import the data into Excel and do basic macro trending and you can pick out all kinds of pattern based things.
The image stuff is a lot more complicated. The crux of the issue is how to solve the date of the image and the corresponding date that there is publicly available data of that image's first appearance in the public record. Conventional thinking posit that an image is "fake" if it is known to be in use elsewhere in close date proximity to the ad in question that contains it. Google has already solved this problem, but their algorithm is proprietary and they have a monster hashed image repository. Currently, the best the dashboard can do is to display the SP's composite image library, stripped of the non-image crap (warnings, disclaimers, cartoons etc.) and order them in descending date sequence. The filter's controls allow the user to: Include All Images, Include All With Fakes Flagged, or Include Only Non Flagged.
My goal is to have a working beta version by Christmas, or drink heavily.An update on progress.
My software alarmed on an irregular BP poster today. I tend to pay attention to stuff my model can't profile.
The computed profile that the ad matched to (almost mimicked) was that of an intentional UTR service provider. Benz went say what? UTR? And pointed the SP's usage of different numbers and different names (which I was also discovering independently). That got me to thinking. For some providers their posting history patterns allow the ad and its poster to be profiled by this software that I'm cooking up. The common connection is the phone number.
However. Irregular or inconsistent posting behavior history is more problematic. For others, such as this one, the poster / SP intentionally camouflages themselves behind different numbers and names. Yet the pics and the metadata in the pics establish the link. How to solve it? Develop a DB of known linked images. An SP can have a posting history profile that may span different names and different telephone numbers. Individual posts can be associated with 1 to and images, some of which may be fake. Use of fake images can be detected and noted in the computed profile, and use of different names and numbers and different pic (tho real) denote an alias for that SP.
The use of different names, numbers, and picture sets allow a single SP to be multiple posters in various ads. Gracias Benz. This I can code for!
Maybe mid-January now.
I want somebody who is:
A lower volume provider or MBA / SB equivalent.
Is interested in and able to maintain a "regular" arrangement.
Wants to and is able to enjoy mutually beneficial recreational fun, sans the emotional possessiveness and related psychological baggage.
Is able to maintain boundary / personal space protocol and decorum.
Has the skills or is comfortable and confident that she can learn them.
Is comfortable servicing me, and comfortable learning the nuances of same, is able to relax to where she can have fun, and is open minded enough to allow us to explore what she is capable of.
For me, that is the gist of the elusive GF experience. A woman who can read a man, knows which man to trust and when, knows how to give herself up to that man to be taken, used sexually, and absolutely effed senseless and is effing me back every step of the way.I've said this before, and I'll say it again. You can find anything you want on SA, if you're willing to devote the time and sell the idea you're successful and confident.
I want somebody who is:
A lower volume provider or MBA / SB equivalent.
Is interested in and able to maintain a "regular" arrangement.
Wants to and is able to enjoy mutually beneficial recreational fun, sans the emotional possessiveness and related psychological baggage.
Is able to maintain boundary / personal space protocol and decorum.
Has the skills or is comfortable and confident that she can learn them.
Is comfortable servicing me, and comfortable learning the nuances of same, is able to relax to where she can have fun, and is open minded enough to allow us to explore what she is capable of.
For me, that is the gist of the elusive GF experience. A woman who can read a man, knows which man to trust and when, knows how to give herself up to that man to be taken, used sexually, and absolutely effed senseless and is effing me back every step of the way.I had this in a provider, but she retired.
As for SA as was mentioned below: You may get what you want, but you will pay for it. And you may get more than you want like a relationship that will require money AND work.
Member #5304
11-18-16, 15:26
I had this in a provider, but she retired.
As for SA as was mentioned below: You may get what you want, but you will pay for it. And you may get more than you want like a relationship that will require money AND work.Ahhh yes, the one and only Daya?
I had this in a provider, but she retired.
As for SA as was mentioned below: You may get what you want, but you will pay for it. And you may get more than you want like a relationship that will require money AND work.I don't necessarily agree with this comment 100%. I've had sugar babies ranging from 100 per meet up for several hours, up to 500 per meet up for staying overnight. I mean just recently I had a 23 yr old slim build ebony girl stay over for 200.
There are flakes, there are scammers, but so does BP. Finding people on SA requires more effort, woman on there don't consider themselves as escorts, so you can't just find a profile offer an amount and find yourself leaving her place two hours later. You'll find escorts on there, but mostly you'll find regular women.
Member #5304
11-18-16, 19:43
I had this in a provider, but she retired.
As for SA as was mentioned below: You may get what you want, but you will pay for it. And you may get more than you want like a relationship that will require money AND work.Neither of those aspects are of significant concern for me. Hell, just the HTHC effort has been 43 dreams to date. The time and the $$$ that has gone into that? It has been both expensive and time-consuming. The cost to yield ratio in all of this is pretty lousy. All lot of time and money expended for very little actual fun. My intent is to tackle this in three different fashions; 1) finish writing, tune, and start training this software that I"m developing so that it can do adaptive profiling of SP's based on their posting history, pictures used and supplemented by reviews, 2) massively parallel hobbying with 2 - 4 different SPs per weekend and feeding those results to the software so that it can "learn" to calibrate / tune its computed SP profiles, and 3) start exploring SA options. The effort, and money do not deter me. There has got to be a better way of finding a sustainable decent experience. This is a crapshoot. It just is.
And even when you get to the sweet spot of something you think is sustainable, they retire, move away, or you discover they're playing games.
My goal is to methodically take some of the variables out of the process so that it can become incrementally more predictive of the likely experience. Crazy, I know. Just one guy's quest for a decent experience.
An update on progress.
My software alarmed on an irregular BP poster today. I tend to pay attention to stuff my model can't profile.
The computed profile that the ad matched to (almost mimicked) was that of an intentional UTR service provider. Benz went say what? UTR? And pointed the SP's usage of different numbers and different names (which I was also discovering independently). That got me to thinking. For some providers their posting history patterns allow the ad and its poster to be profiled by this software that I'm cooking up. The common connection is the phone number.
However. Irregular or inconsistent posting behavior history is more problematic. For others, such as this one, the poster / SP intentionally camouflages themselves behind different numbers and names. Yet the pics and the metadata in the pics establish the link. How to solve it? Develop a DB of known linked images. An SP can have a posting history profile that may span different names and different telephone numbers. Individual posts can be associated with 1 to and images, some of which may be fake. Use of fake images can be detected and noted in the computed profile, and use of different names and numbers and different pic (tho real) denote an alias for that SP.
The use of different names, numbers, and picture sets allow a single SP to be multiple posters in various ads. Gracias Benz. This I can code for!
Maybe mid-January now.The approach of using different names and or numbers to attract more business is probably a method of gaming by a handler. A shell game, if you call four different numbers and the same person answers the phone my first guess is there is a pimp. Most of these girls can't even handle one number. If they are busy on their back or all fours, they won't have time to play she'll games. My experience has been, if they're playing shell games the service will be sub par. IMO the provider won't be worth the time or money and could be risky with a pimp watching.
Member #5304
11-19-16, 09:52
The approach of using different names and or numbers to attract more business is probably a method of gaming by a handler. A shell game, if you call four different numbers and the same person answers the phone my first guess is there is a pimp. Most of these girls can't even handle one number. If they are busy on their back or all fours, they won't have time to play she'll games. My experience has been, if they're playing shell games the service will be sub par. IMO the provider won't be worth the time or money and could be risky with a pimp watching.For the most part I tend to agree with that assessment. It certainly was the case with the SP that my model alarmed on that led to the start of this discussion. I had done a bit in depth field research so to speak to train my model on the same provider multiple number scenarios. The model "found" three distinct types of behavior, each subsequently verified by hands on field research; a) single current number, but different numbers over time, b) multiple current numbers. One hobby and one personal, and c) multiple current hobby phones. A and C tend to be highly predictive of a subpar experience, B does not. The are a couple of statistical outliers for C. I know two legit independent providers, one of which I have favorably reviewed herein, that actively use multiple numbers. That suggests that there is a further differentiating attribute set within type C; those that wish to deliberately camoflage themselves versus those that are deliberately conveying distinct "personas" via different picture sets.
Picture sets, when real ones are used (even when salted / augmented with some fake ones) allow the computer model to "see" and learn the SP posting patterns and behavior. It categorizes them, creates a profile, and I go hobby with a couple from each profile type to see if it is right.
Bottom line. The SPs composite posting behavior is highly predictive of the likely experience. One other oddity that has emerged. Curious too. There is a high positive correlation between the number of words used in the SP's ad and the likely experience. For some reason, less words seems to predict a more favorable experience.
Riddle me that one Batman.
It's the weekend. Time to go train the model!
Use.
Member #5304
11-21-16, 23:33
Guys,
I could use a bit of help from the membership. In reading just the actual reviews of the last 6 months, I notice something that I want to wrap metrics around. There seems to be three distinct areas of attention given to reviewed SPs; looks, skills, and personality / attitude.
There also seems to be a generational / age dimension to it. It appears that the older / veteral hobbyists generally value skills higher than looks, whereas the opposite appears true for younger players. I'd like to try to quantify it. Help me out?
Please share the top 3 most attractive SPs that you know of. Their skills and age are not factors. I just want to know who are your top 3 best looking SPs. If you are uncomfortable responding here, please PM me.
Thanks.
HollandHobby
11-22-16, 11:25
Guys,
I could use a bit of help from the membership. In reading just the actual reviews of the last 6 months, I notice something that I want to wrap metrics around. There seems to be three distinct areas of attention given to reviewed SPs; looks, skills, and personality / attitude.
There also seems to be a generational / age dimension to it. It appears that the older / veteral hobbyists generally value skills higher than looks, whereas the opposite appears true for younger players. I'd like to try to quantify it. Help me out?
Please share the top 3 most attractive SPs that you know of. Their skills and age are not factors. I just want to know who are your top 3 best looking SPs. If you are uncomfortable responding here, please PM me.
Thanks.Agreed completely. I'd like to think that I'm in the younger category and I value looks over skill.
The two best looking providers I've seen are Holly (hoping she stays back in the game) and her old roommate Alyssa who I don't think is working anymore.
Guys,
I could use a bit of help from the membership. In reading just the actual reviews of the last 6 months, I notice something that I want to wrap metrics around. There seems to be three distinct areas of attention given to reviewed SPs; looks, skills, and personality / attitude.
There also seems to be a generational / age dimension to it. It appears that the older / veteral hobbyists generally value skills higher than looks, whereas the opposite appears true for younger players. I'd like to try to quantify it. Help me out?
Please share the top 3 most attractive SPs that you know of. Their skills and age are not factors. I just want to know who are your top 3 best looking SPs. If you are uncomfortable responding here, please PM me.
Thanks.I will confirm your study is right. I'm an older monger but not a geezer and prefer skill over looks.
The back of their heads all look the same, occasionally she may glance up at you to see if you're enjoying her skills, with my cock in her mouth and balls on her chin, she looks beautiful to me. Average looking girls give me better service and appreciate my attention more than the Hotties do. I've never had a Hottie offer me MSOG without an upcharge. Average looking girls work harder for your repeat business.
I'll weigh in and say Mercedes has the best looks of our Grand Rapids providers.
ShaginKabay, if they use fake pics, are you going to include them in your study? If No, this eliminates many of the girls and all of the Bambi stable. The list of Hotties will be short.
I will confirm your study is right. I'm an older monger but not a geezer and prefer skill over looks.
The back of their heads all look the same, occasionally she may glance up at you to see if you're enjoying her skills, with my cock in her mouth and balls on her chin, she looks beautiful to me. Average looking girls give me better service and appreciate my attention more than the Hotties do. I've never had a Hottie offer me MSOG without an upcharge. Average looking girls work harder for your repeat business.
I'll weigh in and say Mercedes has the best looks of our Grand Rapids providers.
ShaginKabay, if they use fake pics, are you going to include them in your study? If No, this eliminates many of the girls and all of the Bambi stable. The list of Hotties will be short.Benz is right all hotties use fake pics the hottest girls I've been with are all agency girls the best skill girls use real pics and are average looking but those are the ones I repeat.
Guys,
I could use a bit of help from the membership. In reading just the actual reviews of the last 6 months, I notice something that I want to wrap metrics around. There seems to be three distinct areas of attention given to reviewed SPs; looks, skills, and personality / attitude.
There also seems to be a generational / age dimension to it. It appears that the older / veteral hobbyists generally value skills higher than looks, whereas the opposite appears true for younger players. I'd like to try to quantify it. Help me out?
Please share the top 3 most attractive SPs that you know of. Their skills and age are not factors. I just want to know who are your top 3 best looking SPs. If you are uncomfortable responding here, please PM me.
Thanks.There was a Sophia, brunette that was great looking. Lost her number.
She was the best looking in my opinion.
Brandy is good looking for the ones that currently post.
Haven't seen Mercedes in awhile but the first time I saw her she was hot, the last time I saw her she was bigger and was not trying at all with her looks so I never went back.
Member #5304
11-23-16, 11:06
I will confirm your study is right. I'm an older monger but not a geezer and prefer skill over looks.
The back of their heads all look the same, occasionally she may glance up at you to see if you're enjoying her skills, with my cock in her mouth and balls on her chin, she looks beautiful to me. Average looking girls give me better service and appreciate my attention more than the Hotties do. I've never had a Hottie offer me MSOG without an upcharge. Average looking girls work harder for your repeat business.
I'll weigh in and say Mercedes has the best looks of our Grand Rapids providers.
ShaginKabay, if they use fake pics, are you going to include them in your study? If No, this eliminates many of the girls and all of the Bambi stable. The list of Hotties will be short.In your respective experiences which things are prevalent:
Good looks AND poor attitude?
Good looks AND lackluster skills?
Both?
Average looks AND better attitude.
Average looks AND better skills.
Both?
My own experience has generally been that looks and attitude are inversely correlated. How about your experiences?
In your respective experiences which things are prevalent:
Good looks AND poor attitude?
Good looks AND lackluster skills?
Both?
Average looks AND better attitude.
Average looks AND better skills.
Both?
My own experience has generally been that looks and attitude are inversely correlated. How about your experiences?IMO good looking girls are just that there attitude and performance are not as good as the average looking girls don't get me wrong I like to see good looking girls but in my experience the average looking girls are far better then the really good looking girls. Plus the average looking girl will give you more bang for your buck. For example an agency girls will be extremely good looking but will try to get you off as fast as they can and charge you a minimum of 150 and not give you any deal what so ever. Where and average girl will most of the time deal with you and give you better service also. This is just my opinion.
My own experience has generally been that looks and attitude are inversely correlated. How about your experiences?My experience is that it often comes down to three things:
Chemistry. If a client isn't to her liking or a girl to his liking, then it will be a poor session.
How quickly a girl can be relaxed around a client or relax a client. If a girl is shy, then it is up to the client who often waits for the girl to make the moves. So the session is a bust.
Timing. It could have been a bad day for either, one or both may be tired, a traumatic event may occurred. The list is endless. Most are out of our control.
The best girls (ie Daya from Kazoo now retired) can still be good in spite of the above things. They are few and far between.
Member #5304
11-23-16, 18:56
ShaginKabay, if they use fake pics, are you going to include them in your study? If No, this eliminates many of the girls and all of the Bambi stable. The list of Hotties will be short.Benz, I plan on including the fake pic / TGTBT clan in this round, as I want to see how the the false advertising factor plays out as a predictive variable. My gut says that for those that place a higher weight on looks, the model will compute a slightly higher "meh" coefficient. Something else I've noticed. Looks seem to have one other interesting dimension; namely the better looking the SP is, the easier for a certain subset of the client base to get wood (it aint just the older crowd either). Looks are a highly predictive variable for being able to get wood. Even more predictive than the SPs positive attitude. Seems counter-intuitive to me.
But, the model seems to be finding that a whole bunch of us (and our age makes no difference) seem to get stoked by the idea (ego inflation?) of being able to pound a decent looking piece of ass. Essentially many of us put up with less than stellar performance and attitude in order to eff a decent looking babe. And, in many cases, pay thru the nose for it too.
Bambi and a couple of her cohorts are successfully mining this phenomena for $150 for 10 - 20 min sessions.
My experience is that it often comes down to three things:
Chemistry. If a client isn't to her liking or a girl to his liking, then it will be a poor session.
How quickly a girl can be relaxed around a client or relax a client. If a girl is shy, then it is up to the client who often waits for the girl to make the moves. So the session is a bust.
Timing. It could have been a bad day for either, one or both may be tired, a traumatic event may occurred. The list is endless. Most are out of our control.
The best girls (ie Daya from Kazoo now retired) can still be good in spite of the above things. They are few and far between.Well said Mac. As to your second point, I only recently started to initiate action during a session if the provider was tentative. It has turned a probable one time only so-so experience into a steady and improving arrangement. Boybear.
I mean just recently I had a 23 yr old slim build ebony girl stay over for 200.
I wonder what she'd ask for for a shorter session. Makes me want to join SA.
Benz, I plan on including the fake pic / TGTBT clan in this round, as I want to see how the the false advertising factor plays out as a predictive variable. My gut says that for those that place a higher weight on looks, the model will compute a slightly higher "meh" coefficient. Something else I've noticed. Looks seem to have one other interesting dimension; namely the better looking the SP is, the easier for a certain subset of the client base to get wood (it aint just the older crowd either). Looks are a highly predictive variable for being able to get wood. Even more predictive than the SPs positive attitude. Seems counter-intuitive to me.
But, the model seems to be finding that a whole bunch of us (and our age makes no difference) seem to get stoked by the idea (ego inflation?) of being able to pound a decent looking piece of ass. Essentially many of us put up with less than stellar performance and attitude in order to eff a decent looking babe. And, in many cases, pay thru the nose for it too.
Bambi and a couple of her cohorts are successfully mining this phenomena for $150 for 10 - 20 min sessions.I agree that's why I seek the TGTBT ads knowing I'm not going to see the girl in the ad but I will bang a hott chick of some sort and yes it will be rushed and quick and I will pay to much which makes some seniors mad at me for rewarding high prices and fake pics but some times I don't have time for a good long service with a real average girl. So agency girls are quick set up in my time window some times I get deals if early in week Mon through weds. Thurs Friday no deals at all. Get done and home before SO gets home.
I agree that's why I seek the TGTBT ads knowing I'm not going to see the girl in the ad but I will bang a hott chick of some sort and yes it will be rushed and quick and I will pay to much which makes some seniors mad at me for rewarding high prices and fake pics but some times I don't have time for a good long service with a real average girl. So agency girls are quick set up in my time window some times I get deals if early in week Mon through weds. Thurs Friday no deals at all. Get done and home before SO gets home.Not mad, frustrated that these girls are getting away with it. Everything you described is a ripoff on time and service. If you give a review, we have no idea who we would see if we call that same number, so the review system doesn't work for them, good or bad. You're obviously not their only client, so many a monger are getting quick wood with a short or frustrated finish for their money. If they used real pics and a phone number to track the provider, they would be out of business. That's why they play the shell game with pics and numbers. I say hold them accountable and boycott fake pics.
In your respective experiences which things are prevalent:
Good looks AND poor attitude?
Good looks AND lackluster skills?
Both?
Average looks AND better attitude.
Average looks AND better skills.
Both?
My own experience has generally been that looks and attitude are inversely correlated. How about your experiences?The attitude of these Hotties started in High School, they've been getting away with poor skills in every aspect of their life since Jr. High. Why start caring about what we think of them now?
Average looking girls learned in High school, they have to be nice and accommodating to get our attention and keep it.
You're right ShaginKabay, they are inversely correlated. It started in High. School. They have obviously exhausted all their sugar baby options or they wouldn't be on BP with an agency, we are probably getting the worst of them, the ones that sugar daddies rejected. I'm not buying it. And when the younger mongers get frustrated enough hopefully they won't reward them either.
Member #5304
11-24-16, 10:14
Guys.
We've got a live one perhaps worthy of a two part test. Payton, whose scheduling and attitude issues have earned her a PIA rating. Almost exactly the SP that we've been theoretically discussing herein. Her composite posting behavior and USA material has the model predicting that the pics are real tho dated perhaps a couple years, that Benz would rate her an avoid, that TeddBear will like her for looks but hate her for scheduling hassle, and that Macatawa would like her enough to see her a 2nd time, and then try to "cultivate" to see if her harsher side can be softened with more regular attention.
Thoughts? Hey Mac, you game. You interested in seeing if this one can be grown? The Model suggests a significant service and menu upside with the right monger. Your next Daya might be right here. If not, I'm in.
Member #5709
11-24-16, 23:01
Guy named Tim gave me his UTR girl name near Grant. I got off here and lost her number. She stripped in Muskegon at times. Please PM if still have.
Yep. She went by the name Hailey I believe. Her number is still out there if you look on naughty reviews or TER. I haven't seen her in over a year, but when I did see her last she was at her apt by Adobe.Thank you to those who passed along possible contact info for Hailey. I tried messaging her for a while and it finally paid off at the end of last week. Hailey replied first with text, then a call. She seemed to remember me and we quickly worked out a location to meet for a hh visit. We chatted a little to catch up and she shared that she's been dealing with family and life problems similar to many other girls we get to deal with from BP. In some ways, trouble seems to follow her. I will also admit in the past there have been instances of drama, so I will NOT say she is drama-free.
Anyway, in almost any other arrangement, I prefer a woman with more build and shorter, say around 5 ft. Or a little shorter is most desireable for me. For Hailey, though, she just has a natural shapely sexiness and great attitude for play from when I first started seeing her and until now. She is lean and between A / B cup, but no appearance of baby damage from 2 kids from years ago. BBBJ, CFS, DATY, DATO, and greek (for some) will be on the menu. I 've only enjoyed greek with her once before, but it was not in a usual rhythm when I saw her reqularly. Her hygeine has always been and still appears to be impeccible and I enjoy DATY / DATO with her. She is not the most responsive in the world during DATY, but she definitely enjoys herself. While enjoying DATY during my last visit, she reached around in back and fingered her ass while I was going down on her: pretty awesome. She is super flexible in mish and doggie by nearly folding in half. Also pretty awesome.
She is not advertising in order to not get deeper into life troubles, but she did say she would be open to finding some more clients. She told me she is not available all the time. Please PM me for further info. There is no link available.
The attitude of these Hotties started in High School, they've been getting away with poor skills in every aspect of their life since Jr. High. Why start caring about what we think of them now?
Average looking girls learned in High school, they have to be nice and accommodating to get our attention and keep it.
You're right ShaginKabay, they are inversely correlated. It started in High. School. They have obviously exhausted all their sugar baby options or they wouldn't be on BP with an agency, we are probably getting the worst of them, the ones that sugar daddies rejected. I'm not buying it. And when the younger mongers get frustrated enough hopefully they won't reward them either.This is an interesting topic. Thank you for bringing it up, ShagniKabay. Also, I think Benz really laid out the core issue with hot looks and getting away with poor skills or just general lack of pleasantness.
I could be considered over the hill and not a geezer at the same time. I introduced myself to the Hobby via a Spa in Ionia county around 1999 and progressed from there.
For me, the one characteristic that does it for me with an SP above all others is: attitude. Close and next down on the list is hygiene, followed by physique (ideal = short and curvy in the ass and hips / padded without being a complete blubber blob), and finally looks in the face. I take shapely hips over a huge rack on any day. Saggy tits like a fried egg on a nail are total turn off. Little titties tend not to have that issue and are just fine for me.
A BASIC good attitude for me is one where a prospective SP genuinely likes sex, is comfortable with her own body, and is looking for a little $ help while enjoying herself. In the good 'ol days of AES, TER, and similar, it was easier to find this kind of match without nearly as much wasteful blind spending and time on dead ends. The extinct sites were not fool proof, but much better than what we currently deal with on BP. For me with current BP offerings, I review the GR posts multiple times a day and message (often, without reply much less success) to figure out who could be genuinely open to having some fun.
In this kind of search and as Benz mentioned, the "average" looking (or larger) gal is usually going to be an enjoyable experience. What is a total mood killer for me is a stuck up, disinterested, detached, or generally shitty attitude. All this contributes to my less frequent posts from meetings given there was much weeding out of SPs with shitty or non-existent communication from the get go.
NoNonsenseLady
11-25-16, 16:09
I want somebody who is:
A lower volume provider or MBA / SB equivalent.
Is interested in and able to maintain a "regular" arrangement.
Wants to and is able to enjoy mutually beneficial recreational fun, sans the emotional possessiveness and related psychological baggage.
Is able to maintain boundary / personal space protocol and decorum.
Has the skills or is comfortable and confident that she can learn them.
Is comfortable servicing me, and comfortable learning the nuances of same, is able to relax to where she can have fun, and is open minded enough to allow us to explore what she is capable of.
For me, that is the gist of the elusive GF experience. A woman who can read a man, knows which man to trust and when, knows how to give herself up to that man to be taken, used sexually, and absolutely effed senseless and is effing me back every step of the way.Hahaha should be easy to find this woman. Just look in Middle Earth.
Hahaha should be easy to find this woman. Just look in Middle Earth.NNL,
Please come back and teach our providers how to provide.
NoNonsenseLady
11-25-16, 19:03
NNL,
Please come back and teach our providers how to provide.I do miss you guys! Unfortunately you can't teach some things. If you could I would probably get out of providing and just make a living teaching classes. I know some of you have suggested I teach a class for wives / SO's in the past.
Happy Thanksgiving from the best coast!
Member #5304
11-25-16, 19:30
Hahaha should be easy to find this woman. Just look in Middle Earth.Mordor, the Shire, or Lothlorien? And Hobbitses and Orcs are not to my liking. Hairy feet and bad breath kinda make Junior go hide (me too sometimes).
<sigh The legendary NNL just took a 2 x4 upside my dream. Now I will hear AeroSmith's "Dream On".
OR Benz singing the following.
Most of their pics are fake (all them pics are fake).
Or most of 'them anyway (most anyway).
But I've been trolling BP for place to stay, for a place to stay.
Ohh NNL sez I dreamin, on a late fall day.
On a late fall day.
But I need to find me something, need to find me something.
That doesn't run away.
Ohh help me No Nonsense Lady.
Before I start to fray.
With deepest apologies to the Mamas and the Papas.
Member #5304
11-25-16, 20:50
Guys.
We've got a live one perhaps worthy of a two part test. Payton, whose scheduling and attitude issues have earned her a PIA rating. Almost exactly the SP that we've been theoretically discussing herein. Her composite posting behavior and USA material has the model predicting that the pics are real tho dated perhaps a couple years, that Benz would rate her an avoid, that TeddBear will like her for looks but hate her for scheduling hassle, and that Macatawa would like her enough to see her a 2nd time, and then try to "cultivate" to see if her harsher side can be softened with more regular attention.
Thoughts? Hey Mac, you game. You interested in seeing if this one can be grown? The Model suggests a significant service and menu upside with the right monger. Your next Daya might be right here. If not, I'm in.Hearing nothing form Mac, gentlemen, stay tuned. Some more field research is in order.
Hearing nothing form Mac, gentlemen, stay tuned. Some more field research is in order.Sorry. I normally am not in the GR forum.
And I have stepped out of the escort side for now, but who is Payton? Do you have a link?
Am I game? Maybe. I am just not into wasting too much money.
Member #5304
11-29-16, 22:28
Sorry. I normally am not in the GR forum.
And I have stepped out of the escort side for now, but who is Payton? Do you have a link?
Am I game? Maybe. I am just not into wasting too much money.Hearing nothing from Mac, I went ahead did a bit of reconsissance on her. And, as predicted, recon was all it was. I too was stood up. But, I kind of knew that going in.
She did have enough guts to at least contact me beforehand. Her change in wording and tone said all. I didn't get pissed. She explained what happened (of course I have no way knowing veracity there), offered a later time (I declined), but did not apologize. She was polite thru-out, and almost conciliatory there at the end. I did not get any attitude.
I strongly suspect that there is more here than meets the eye. Looks and youth probably account for the step fee.
Dunno if I will attempt round two.
Over a year ago a fellow monger informed me about an UTR provider in the Grandville area and I lost the contact info. She had very few clients (which I prefer) and was highly recommended for her skills and discretion. If anyone has any information about her please PM me! Thanks!
Where is the best and quickest place to go to get tested? I had a condom break a couple weeks ago and currently have a UTI. Want to be safe and rule anything else out or get tested if needed.
Where is the best and quickest place to go to get tested? I had a condom break a couple weeks ago and currently have a UTI. Want to be safe and rule anything else out or get tested if needed.Almost all urgent / medi cares are equipped to test for most things on site. And they are open every day of the week and late hours. Plus if you have insurance it's like a $30 co-pay. Good luck to you.
Where is the best and quickest place to go to get tested? I had a condom break a couple weeks ago and currently have a UTI. Want to be safe and rule anything else out or get tested if needed.Wow, that's bad, can you please tell us what girl you met so we can avoid her?
Thats why I don't to Daty with those girls, take care.
Chad Adler
12-04-16, 17:03
Where is the best and quickest place to go to get tested? I had a condom break a couple weeks ago and currently have a UTI. Want to be safe and rule anything else out or get tested if needed.The Kent County Health Department at 700 Fuller Ave NE, Grand Rapids, MI 49503 does free testing. You have to walk in and schedule an appointment.
ChicagoSouth
12-04-16, 17:41
The Kent County Health Department at 700 Fuller Ave NE, Grand Rapids, MI 49503 does free testing. You have to walk in and schedule an appointment.You can call in get get appointment also.
The Kent County Health Department at 700 Fuller Ave NE, Grand Rapids, MI 49503 does free testing. You have to walk in and schedule an appointment.Do you have to be a resident of Kent County? If so, do you have to show I'd to prove it? TIA.
WK.
Toftt on a lady from back page she's by 36th and div working out of a motel over there. Says she does 50 ss says million dollar mouth. She isn't that good told me all kinds of things and what her service was. All lies just a quick topless BJ with spit. And she wants you done quick. Just be careful and play safe.
Now on the other side do any of us think we are paying way to much for the service we get from the ladys.
Bronco6566
12-06-16, 11:50
Toftt on a lady from back page she's by 36th and div working out of a motel over there. Says she does 50 ss says million dollar mouth. She isn't that good told me all kinds of things and what her service was. All lies just a quick topless BJ with spit. And she wants you done quick. Just be careful and play safe.
Now on the other side do any of us think we are paying way to much for the service we get from the ladys.I assume this is who you are talking about. She has been reviewed and mostly acceptable reviews. I'm not sure what you were expecting for 50 but that is about par. You need to communicate your expectations before you go or read the reviews here. Some will do FS on a ss but that usually means BnG in their mind. I think for the additional $20 you probably would have got more of what you expected. This should probably be in the BP review section also.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/highly-reviewed-sexy-unforgettable-brunette-specials-50ss-70hhr-120hr-incall/27702858
The Kent County Health Department at 700 Fuller Ave NE, Grand Rapids, MI 49503 does free testing. You have to walk in and schedule an appointment.Had my appointment today. Cleared HIV test in 21 minutes. The rest get sent out to be tested. I call a confidential number in a week to get my results. If something comes up before then they call me on a restricted number.
Super discreet, easy, no cost, and peace of mind. Highly recommended!
FlowMaster1
12-10-16, 08:38
Toftt on a lady from back page she's by 36th and div working out of a motel over there. Says she does 50 ss says million dollar mouth. She isn't that good told me all kinds of things and what her service was. All lies just a quick topless BJ with spit. And she wants you done quick. Just be careful and play safe.
Now on the other side do any of us think we are paying way to much for the service we get from the ladys.If I may add my 2 cents, I have seen her several times and it always has been a positive experience.
Had my appointment today. Cleared HIV test in 21 minutes. The rest get sent out to be tested. I call a confidential number in a week to get my results. If something comes up before then they call me on a restricted number.
Super discreet, easy, no cost, and peace of mind. Highly recommended!Do you know if the results can also be downloaded electronically? In case I want to use them as proof of cleanliness.
Do you know if the results can also be downloaded electronically? In case I want to use them as proof of cleanliness.Only an idiot would accept that as "proof of cleanliness". It is only a snapshot of that particular moment in time, the first time you have sex after the test you could have possibly been exposed and might be no longer "clean". And the risks are exponentially higher when playing in a high risk group such as the ones who are discussed here.
Only an idiot would accept that as "proof of cleanliness". It is only a snapshot of that particular moment in time, the first time you have sex after the test you could have possibly been exposed and might be no longer "clean". And the risks are exponentially higher when playing in a high risk group such as the ones who are discussed here.Agreed. But it wouldn't be for girls usually found on this forum. More like sa girls or other civilians. And I was thinking of it the other way where I would like to see the proof and even after that it will still always be protected sex.
Bronco6566
12-21-16, 11:29
Not sure where to put this but I have a trip to Vegas in a month and need to start my homework now. What are the good review sites for Vegas? USASG Vegas is just a bunch of guys asking about providers with no answers. Or are there any provider links you have that would be helpful too! Thanks!
Not sure where to put this but I have a trip to Vegas in a month and need to start my homework now. What are the good review sites for Vegas? USASG Vegas is just a bunch of guys asking about providers with no answers. Or are there any provider links you have that would be helpful too! Thanks!I have been doing this lately for both Vegas and Florida. If you want MPs go on the massage page and at the top of the threads hit the search button, type in something like BBBJCIM and see what comes up, I found several providers that might be good. Check Craiglist and Backpage ads, if they are intriguing, search for the provider name.
I'm back in Grand Rapids after being gone for the past five years. Used to very active with micompanions and I see that's gone. Where is the best and safest place to go now? I see strip clubs are worse than ever and the street doesn't look to promising. I know about back page but wondered if anything took over for micompanions. Thanks.
I'm back in Grand Rapids after being gone for the past five years. Used to very active with micompanions and I see that's gone. Where is the best and safest place to go now? I see strip clubs are worse than ever and the street doesn't look to promising. I know about back page but wondered if anything took over for micompanions. Thanks.No board has filled the role that they did. The only board out there right now is filled with more discussion and few reviews. IMO you will more info here than on any other board.
Mike Yepthatsm
12-27-16, 09:19
There is midwestcompanions and miadultdestination. Neither is what the boards used to be. There are rarely any ladies posting in west michigan. This board has way more activity and usefull information than the other two boards combined.
I'm back in Grand Rapids after being gone for the past five years. Used to very active with micompanions and I see that's gone. Where is the best and safest place to go now? I see strip clubs are worse than ever and the street doesn't look to promising. I know about back page but wondered if anything took over for micompanions. Thanks.
I'm back in Grand Rapids after being gone for the past five years. Used to very active with micompanions and I see that's gone. Where is the best and safest place to go now? I see strip clubs are worse than ever and the street doesn't look to promising. I know about back page but wondered if anything took over for micompanions. Thanks.I agree with what the others have said here. There is no better source of information out there for grand rapids / west michigan than you will find here.
Member #5304
01-06-17, 23:42
Background – why they came into existence and their intended purpose.
Probably like many of you, I have been in searching for a quality, reliable, sustainable GFE with a provider that I can trust and connect with for recreational fun. I have been searching for several years now. Close a couple of times, but no cigar. I haven't found it, yet. My read? I won't find it.
In the absence of finding my ATF GFE provider (not even a single one), I went in search of outstanding dreams of great head, a decent assf__k, and of a tasty kitty that enjoyed being eaten and attended to, all in the form of a single person. A reasonably attractive, enthusiastic playmate with decent skills, and who was able to abide by boundary protocol.
I've articulated as much in an earlier post herein. A well-respected member gently chastised me / my naiveté, suggesting that what I was looking for might be found in Middle Earth.
Ouch. Yet, they were right. Sometime back I concluded that it wasn't in the cards, but I noticed that certain SP's had their respective "sweet spots" – areas of distinctly superior service. But the process of reliably finding them was, and largely still is, an expensive, hit or miss crap shoot, even with me monitoring this forum rather closely.
I figured there had to be a better way. What to do? My homework, right? I set out to do two things. First. I am sufficiently technically capable that I designed and began building a computer model to help me find the services that I am looking for. My thinking? Sufficient public domain data exists. It's a puzzle. Figure it out. I've described it conceptually in an earlier post in this forum. Second – On the possibility that a computer model didn't pan out, I set about creating and refining a set of ranking indexes, publicly shared with the membership herein. They are: head / oral sex. The Head To Head Comparison, Backdoor fun / anal sex – Feeling Cheeky, and a third one is under serious consideration; "dining" and the art of eating and entertaining an accommodating kitty – Diners Club. There are two more under conceptual scrutiny; duos. Birds Of A Feather, and SPs that are camera friendly – Lensed.
These two initial indexes are stack rankings of the providers as experienced by yours truly. The dreams that these rankings are based on are as recent as earlier this week to the summer of 2014 (certain backdoor alumni). The ranking is specifically about and solely based on the SPs artistry, talent, and enthusiasm in those specific interest areas. That's it.
My Criteria.
A decent series of dreams in the interest area (two or more) that ranked 7 out of 10 or better for me. Why two or more? The need for ranking accuracy and likely repeatability. There is a curious phenomenon that tends to surface after marginal first dreams. Most of us, especially the less experienced hobbyists, tend to idealize that first dream. Our perception of a marginal first dream is notoriously unreliable as a predictive indicator of subsequent sessions. However, our memory of the second and subsequent dreams is much less stilted. The rose-colored glasses are off, and the memory of the experience is much closer to reality. As a result, to be listed in the Results section of the ranking, it's at least two or more dreams at a 7/10 rating.
You may have noticed that there are lots of SPs that post and only about 2 dozen or so of them mentioned in the HTHC, and fewer still Feeling Cheeky. That means something. Intentionally. The intent of this listing is to accurately and fairly enumerate (and in so doing, recognize) those SPs (those that I know of) that, assuming excellent manners and hygiene on your part, tend to reliably deliver a satisfactory experience in the particular service area. My goal is to do so in an objective, independent manner. How, you ask, is one "objective" about something that is inherently highly subjective? In part, by being thorough, doing one's homework, and paying attention.
Independence. For these ranking to be of any value, they need to be accurate and unbiased. On a number of occasions, other members have encouraged me to consider an SP for inclusion. For those that have happened, I do my homework, seek confirmation from others or from the strength of reviews, and if warranted, include them for subsequent consideration. Some have been legit, and have gone on to make the grade so to speak. Others not. Still others have been an apparent shill recommendations that didn't pass muster. Insofar as I am aware, thus far, I have not ever been contacted by an SP directly for purposes of consideration. No matter though, as my approach would be the same; private, independent homework seeking verification / confirmation for possible subsequent consideration.
I am mindful that recognition herein may not always be wanted. Hence, I discreetly monitor whether an SP wants to be so recognized. It's all about respect. Yes, my comments are a wee bit salacious at times, but overall, decidedly tasteful and hopefully noticeably deferential. Some members have asked about publishing the ranking of all, including those that have not been ranked 7/10 or better. Respectfully, I feel it best to refrain from doing so.
Done thoughtfully, carefully (with deference to the ranked SPs), and fairly, these ranking will hopefully 1) recognize those providers that excel in certain areas and who desire said recognition; and 2) provide the readership, particularly the non-member viewers, and the newbies a guide to a decent experience.
Think about it in the broader perspective. The term "Kandiland" is a de facto brand now, and highly sought after I might add. The effect of decent skills, pleasant, enthusiastic SPs, coupled with unbiased, fair, accurate rankings and the private, word of mouth referrals? It improves the overall quality of the experience, and incrementally brings a better class of client to the ranked SPs. One of the SPs already "gets it", and has incorporated certain aspects into her recent BP ads. Envision the concept taking hold in other cities?
I started the indexed rankings as a way of being able to find (and share) info on those SPs that excel. I think that there is value in doing this. Your thoughts? The Diners Club ranking is close to publication. Shall I continue? I'd really love to get some feedback / input from female members or SPs.
Talk to me. If there is value in this, please help me improve it?
Thanks.
Yes there is value in this. I am anxious to see the diner list.
Background why they came into existence and their intended purpose.
Probably like many of you, I have been in searching for a quality, reliable, sustainable GFE with a provider that I can trust and connect with for recreational fun. I have been searching for several years now. Close a couple of times, but no cigar. I haven't found it, yet. My read? I won't find it.
In the absence of finding my ATF GFE provider (not even a single one), I went in search of outstanding dreams of great head, a decent assf__k, and of a tasty kitty that enjoyed being eaten and attended to, all in the form of a single person. A reasonably attractive, enthusiastic playmate with decent skills, and who was able to abide by boundary protocol.
I've articulated as much in an earlier post herein. A well-respected member gently chastised me / my naivet, suggesting that what I was looking for might be found in Middle Earth.
Ouch. Yet, they were right. Sometime back I concluded that it wasn't in the cards, but I noticed that certain SP's had their respective "sweet spots" areas of distinctly superior service. But the process of reliably finding them was, and largely still is, an expensive, hit or miss crap shoot, even with me monitoring this forum rather closely.
I figured there had to be a better way. What to do? My homework, right? I set out to do two things. First. I am sufficiently technically capable that I designed and began building a computer model to help me find the services that I am looking for. My thinking? Sufficient public domain data exists. It's a puzzle. Figure it out. I've described it conceptually in an earlier post in this forum. Second On the possibility that a computer model didn't pan out, I set about creating and refining a set of ranking indexes, publicly shared with the membership herein. They are: head / oral sex. The Head To Head Comparison, Backdoor fun / anal sex Feeling Cheeky, and a third one is under serious consideration; "dining" and the art of eating and entertaining an accommodating kitty Diners Club. There are two more under conceptual scrutiny; duos. Birds Of A Feather, and SPs that are camera friendly Lensed.
These two initial indexes are stack rankings of the providers as experienced by yours truly. The dreams that these rankings are based on are as recent as earlier this week to the summer of 2014 (certain backdoor alumni). The ranking is specifically about and solely based on the SPs artistry, talent, and enthusiasm in those specific interest areas. That's it.
My Criteria.
A decent series of dreams in the interest area (two or more) that ranked 7 out of 10 or better for me. Why two or more? The need for ranking accuracy and likely repeatability. There is a curious phenomenon that tends to surface after marginal first dreams. Most of us, especially the less experienced hobbyists, tend to idealize that first dream. Our perception of a marginal first dream is notoriously unreliable as a predictive indicator of subsequent sessions. However, our memory of the second and subsequent dreams is much less stilted. The rose-colored glasses are off, and the memory of the experience is much closer to reality. As a result, to be listed in the Results section of the ranking, it's at least two or more dreams at a 7/10 rating.
You may have noticed that there are lots of SPs that post and only about 2 dozen or so of them mentioned in the HTHC, and fewer still Feeling Cheeky. That means something. Intentionally. The intent of this listing is to accurately and fairly enumerate (and in so doing, recognize) those SPs (those that I know of) that, assuming excellent manners and hygiene on your part, tend to reliably deliver a satisfactory experience in the particular service area. My goal is to do so in an objective, independent manner. How, you ask, is one "objective" about something that is inherently highly subjective? In part, by being thorough, doing one's homework, and paying attention.
Independence. For these ranking to be of any value, they need to be accurate and unbiased. On a number of occasions, other members have encouraged me to consider an SP for inclusion. For those that have happened, I do my homework, seek confirmation from others or from the strength of reviews, and if warranted, include them for subsequent consideration. Some have been legit, and have gone on to make the grade so to speak. Others not. Still others have been an apparent shill recommendations that didn't pass muster. Insofar as I am aware, thus far, I have not ever been contacted by an SP directly for purposes of consideration. No matter though, as my approach would be the same; private, independent homework seeking verification / confirmation for possible subsequent consideration.
I am mindful that recognition herein may not always be wanted. Hence, I discreetly monitor whether an SP wants to be so recognized. It's all about respect. Yes, my comments are a wee bit salacious at times, but overall, decidedly tasteful and hopefully noticeably deferential. Some members have asked about publishing the ranking of all, including those that have not been ranked 7/10 or better. Respectfully, I feel it best to refrain from doing so.
Done thoughtfully, carefully (with deference to the ranked SPs), and fairly, these ranking will hopefully 1) recognize those providers that excel in certain areas and who desire said recognition; and 2) provide the readership, particularly the non-member viewers, and the newbies a guide to a decent experience.
Think about it in the broader perspective. The term "Kandiland" is a de facto brand now, and highly sought after I might add. The effect of decent skills, pleasant, enthusiastic SPs, coupled with unbiased, fair, accurate rankings and the private, word of mouth referrals? It improves the overall quality of the experience, and incrementally brings a better class of client to the ranked SPs. One of the SPs already "gets it", and has incorporated certain aspects into her recent BP ads. Envision the concept taking hold in other cities?
I started the indexed rankings as a way of being able to find (and share) info on those SPs that excel. I think that there is value in doing this. Your thoughts? The Diners Club ranking is close to publication. Shall I continue? I'd really love to get some feedback / input from female members or SPs.
Talk to me. If there is value in this, please help me improve it?
Thanks.
BadBoyFourU
01-07-17, 09:52
Background why they came into existence and their intended purpose.
Probably like many of you, I have been in searching for a quality, reliable, sustainable GFE with a provider that I can trust and connect with for recreational fun. I have been searching for several years now. Close a couple of times, but no cigar. I haven't found it, yet. My read? I won't find it.
In the absence of finding my ATF GFE provider (not even a single one), I went in search of outstanding dreams of great head, a decent assf__k, and of a tasty kitty that enjoyed being eaten and attended to, all in the form of a single person. A reasonably attractive, enthusiastic playmate with decent skills, and who was able to abide by boundary protocol.
I've articulated as much in an earlier post herein. A well-respected member gently chastised me / my naivet, suggesting that what I was looking for might be found in Middle Earth.
Ouch. Yet, they were right. Sometime back I concluded that it wasn't in the cards, but I noticed that certain SP's had their respective "sweet spots" areas of distinctly superior service. But the process of reliably finding them was, and largely still is, an expensive, hit or miss crap shoot, even with me monitoring this forum rather closely.
I figured there had to be a better way. What to do? My homework, right? I set out to do two things. First. I am sufficiently technically capable that I designed and began building a computer model to help me find the services that I am looking for. My thinking? Sufficient public domain data exists. It's a puzzle. Figure it out. I've described it conceptually in an earlier post in this forum. Second On the possibility that a computer model didn't pan out, I set about creating and refining a set of ranking indexes, publicly shared with the membership herein. They are: head / oral sex. The Head To Head Comparison, Backdoor fun / anal sex Feeling Cheeky, and a third one is under serious consideration; "dining" and the art of eating and entertaining an accommodating kitty Diners Club. There are two more under conceptual scrutiny; duos. Birds Of A Feather, and SPs that are camera friendly Lensed.
These two initial indexes are stack rankings of the providers as experienced by yours truly. The dreams that these rankings are based on are as recent as earlier this week to the summer of 2014 (certain backdoor alumni). The ranking is specifically about and solely based on the SPs artistry, talent, and enthusiasm in those specific interest areas. That's it.
My Criteria.
A decent series of dreams in the interest area (two or more) that ranked 7 out of 10 or better for me. Why two or more? The need for ranking accuracy and likely repeatability. There is a curious phenomenon that tends to surface after marginal first dreams. Most of us, especially the less experienced hobbyists, tend to idealize that first dream. Our perception of a marginal first dream is notoriously unreliable as a predictive indicator of subsequent sessions. However, our memory of the second and subsequent dreams is much less stilted. The rose-colored glasses are off, and the memory of the experience is much closer to reality. As a result, to be listed in the Results section of the ranking, it's at least two or more dreams at a 7/10 rating.
You may have noticed that there are lots of SPs that post and only about 2 dozen or so of them mentioned in the HTHC, and fewer still Feeling Cheeky. That means something. Intentionally. The intent of this listing is to accurately and fairly enumerate (and in so doing, recognize) those SPs (those that I know of) that, assuming excellent manners and hygiene on your part, tend to reliably deliver a satisfactory experience in the particular service area. My goal is to do so in an objective, independent manner. How, you ask, is one "objective" about something that is inherently highly subjective? In part, by being thorough, doing one's homework, and paying attention.
Independence. For these ranking to be of any value, they need to be accurate and unbiased. On a number of occasions, other members have encouraged me to consider an SP for inclusion. For those that have happened, I do my homework, seek confirmation from others or from the strength of reviews, and if warranted, include them for subsequent consideration. Some have been legit, and have gone on to make the grade so to speak. Others not. Still others have been an apparent shill recommendations that didn't pass muster. Insofar as I am aware, thus far, I have not ever been contacted by an SP directly for purposes of consideration. No matter though, as my approach would be the same; private, independent homework seeking verification / confirmation for possible subsequent consideration.
I am mindful that recognition herein may not always be wanted. Hence, I discreetly monitor whether an SP wants to be so recognized. It's all about respect. Yes, my comments are a wee bit salacious at times, but overall, decidedly tasteful and hopefully noticeably deferential. Some members have asked about publishing the ranking of all, including those that have not been ranked 7/10 or better. Respectfully, I feel it best to refrain from doing so.
Done thoughtfully, carefully (with deference to the ranked SPs), and fairly, these ranking will hopefully 1) recognize those providers that excel in certain areas and who desire said recognition; and 2) provide the readership, particularly the non-member viewers, and the newbies a guide to a decent experience.
Think about it in the broader perspective. The term "Kandiland" is a de facto brand now, and highly sought after I might add. The effect of decent skills, pleasant, enthusiastic SPs, coupled with unbiased, fair, accurate rankings and the private, word of mouth referrals? It improves the overall quality of the experience, and incrementally brings a better class of client to the ranked SPs. One of the SPs already "gets it", and has incorporated certain aspects into her recent BP ads. Envision the concept taking hold in other cities?
I started the indexed rankings as a way of being able to find (and share) info on those SPs that excel. I think that there is value in doing this. Your thoughts? The Diners Club ranking is close to publication. Shall I continue? I'd really love to get some feedback / input from female members or SPs.
Talk to me. If there is value in this, please help me improve it?
Thanks.I must ask, do you devote so much time and effort to all areas of your life? It is merely my opinion, but you are making this far too complex for the many. As a wise man once said, "This is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball". Just remember the KISS principle.
Member #5304
01-07-17, 17:20
I must ask, do you devote so much time and effort to all areas of your life? It is merely my opinion, but you are making this far too complex for the many. As a wise man once said, "This is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball". Just remember the KISS principle.Empathic metamorph? Big ouch. Nah, not so much, but, point taken.
Yeah, I tend to be kinda thorough. But, hobby-wise, just a Dutchman who tends to want to find a decent experience in a more methodical, repeatable (and less expensive) fashion, Given what I do in the world, I know how to harvest social media data from numerous sources, including this one, correlate it with other data sources, pipe it off to cloud-based third heuristics and analytics engine providers and put it to use. Oh, and I can write fairly decent copy. Whether we are comfortable with it or not, both USA and BP are social media sites. The member driven fusion of them and FB is driving the biggest change in human sexuality since the hippie / Free Love movement of the late 60's. The gist of the dialog contained in USG is / tends to be by and for an older generation. Kids 35+ years our junior have long since successfully moved this conversation into FB.
Dunno if you have access to the demographic analytics of the viewership as compared to the membership. Scary, especially given the implications regarding the projected longevity of USA. The head of BP wasn't arrested and extradited because a prosecutor gives a rats ass about BP and its ads. Hell, he's paying to have his cock sucked, just like the rest of us, but by a different class of SP. AM-based! Just wait til ET or NYT decides to pop that one. It's all about the $. Pay attention to the RSI feeds and who is subscribing to them. Why do you suppose Google sucks in TBs of daily data from both USA and FB? It's all about the ability to harvest, use and target certain demographics. Cue Pink Floyd's Money.
Selfless motives here? Nope, mostly selfish, but willing to share. I am and have been training my model for a while now. These rankings are the SQL result sets from some of the model's major queries using just my own dreams as input, packaged in copy that I write. I am evaluating the model's accuracy by comparing them to the reporting and responding membership, or at least attempting to.
There you have it, from soup to nuts. Yeah, I'm a bit old school in certain things, especially about seeking interest and permission versus forgiveness. I though I'd better ask first about introducing Diners Club.
This kind of dialog is essential and absolutely needed. Why? If the idea cannot withstand member scrutiny and cannot stand on it's own merit, it aint viable.
SK.
Empathic metamorph? Big ouch. Nah, not so much, but, point taken.
Yeah, I tend to be kinda thorough. But, hobby-wise, just a Dutchman who tends to want to find a decent experience in a more methodical, repeatable (and less expensive) fashion, Given what I do in the world, I know how to harvest social media data from numerous sources, including this one, correlate it with other data sources, pipe it off to cloud-based third heuristics and analytics engine providers and put it to use. Oh, and I can write fairly decent copy. Whether we are comfortable with it or not, both USA and BP are social media sites. The member driven fusion of them and FB is driving the biggest change in human sexuality since the hippie / Free Love movement of the late 60's. The gist of the dialog contained in USG is / tends to be by and for an older generation. Kids 35+ years our junior have long since successfully moved this conversation into FB.
Dunno if you have access to the demographic analytics of the viewership as compared to the membership. Scary, especially given the implications regarding the projected longevity of USA. The head of BP wasn't arrested and extradited because a prosecutor gives a rats ass about BP and its ads. Hell, he's paying to have his cock sucked, just like the rest of us, but by a different class of SP. AM-based! Just wait til ET or NYT decides to pop that one. It's all about the $. Pay attention to the RSI feeds and who is subscribing to them. Why do you suppose Google sucks in TBs of daily data from both USA and FB? It's all about the ability to harvest, use and target certain demographics. Cue Pink Floyd's Money.
Selfless motives here? Nope, mostly selfish, but willing to share. I am and have been training my model for a while now. These rankings are the SQL result sets from some of the model's major queries using just my own dreams as input, packaged in copy that I write. I am evaluating the model's accuracy by comparing them to the reporting and responding membership, or at least attempting to.
There you have it, from soup to nuts. Yeah, I'm a bit old school in certain things, especially about seeking interest and permission versus forgiveness. I though I'd better ask first about introducing Diners Club.
This kind of dialog is essential and absolutely needed. Why? If the idea cannot withstand member scrutiny and cannot stand on it's own merit, it aint viable.
SK.Not sure what you're implying about the projected longevity of the USA though. It's not a US site, none of us create any content beyond calling some of you guys knuckleheads, Google and Facebook will make sure that Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act never go away, so I'd say whatever projections you're making should be revised, we aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Sooner or later (way sooner than you think) you will be on that +35 demographic and will be a player for us as well.
The major difference between us and FB is this conversation is allowed here, it's 100% against FB's terms of service and gets shut down all the time, yes even in secret groups.
A2.
Member #5304
01-09-17, 12:26
Not sure what you're implying about the projected longevity of the USA though. It's not a US site, none of us create any content beyond calling some of you guys knuckleheads, Google and Facebook will make sure that Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act never go away, so I'd say whatever projections you're making should be revised, we aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Sooner or later (way sooner than you think) you will be on that +35 demographic and will be a player for us as well.
The major difference between us and FB is this conversation is allowed here, it's 100% against FB's terms of service and gets shut down all the time, yes even in secret groups.
A2.No implication intended about USA as a whole. However the BP forum is likely to significantly morph, probably to the downside. We will see.
The single biggest growth area in new numbers (providers only) is and continues to be in the casual, 18-24 college student space. Yet the corresponding new growth numbers in BP, CL, and the various SB sites don't correlate to that estimated annual growth numbers. Not even close.
There was a pronounced transient surge in "supply" that seemed to parallel the ITT Tech decertification.
The supply is finding its demand somehow. As you noted, this kind of conversation isn't sustainable in FB, yet. But a disorganized, losely knit grouping of federated members has formed a virtual marketplace. It comes and goes and they pop up on college campuses all over the US. The commodity is pics on FB, but the conversation is partially in Twiitter.
I am actively researching it and how sellers find buyers.
And I promoted to knucklehead? I like!
Do I change my username ShaginKnucklehead?
I didn't call you a knucklehead but I am struggling to see how the decertification of ITT Tech. Are you trying to posit that there were a bunch of young honeys that were going to ITT Tech and started selling pussy when it announced it was closing or perhaps they worked there. You lost me on that one. I'm thinking that was some technobabble designed to sound good.
As to the rest Twitter is a source and we should probably add that as a thread.
We cover the casuals in the SD threads.
A2
Member #5304
01-09-17, 20:54
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Don't tell me to relax when I'm not excited. We both know why you do that. If you wish to have discourse then have discourse don't resort to playground stuff.
A2
Lessons in nogotiations.
On my way home from work
I texted an escort on BP that I haven't seen before, on Super Bowl Sunday. She said her short stay is 60, I asked for her Sunday night special, she said she doesn't have one but she would do 50. I said 40, the super bowl just started and your phone won't be ringing the rest of the night. She replied 40 is good. Then I confirmed cim. Yup. During the bbbjcim I asked about prostrate massage, she said it's not her favorite thing, I told her... it speeds things up sometimes. Into the night stand and out comes the lube.. Before leaving I established the same rate next time. She agreed because I was on time and had good hygiene.
I was home in time for diner on the table at 7:30 and watched most of the super bowl with my wife.
The timing is critical, even when you ask for the prostrate massage. Negotiations have never worked for me during prime time (Thurs, Fri or Sat).
I recieved BBBJCIM w swallow plus prostrate massage for 40.
Happy Negotiating
Love The Lips
02-06-17, 15:10
Lessons in nogotiations.
On my way home from work
I texted an escort on BP that I haven't seen before, on Super Bowl Sunday. She said her short stay is 60, I asked for her Sunday night special, she said she doesn't have one but she would do 50. I said 40, the super bowl just started and your phone won't be ringing the rest of the night. She replied 40 is good. Then I confirmed cim. Yup. During the bbbjcim I asked about prostrate massage, she said it's not her favorite thing, I told her... it speeds things up sometimes. Into the night stand and out comes the lube.. Before leaving I established the same rate next time. She agreed because I was on time and had good hygiene.
I was home in time for diner on the table at 7:30 and watched most of the super bowl with my wife.
The timing is critical, even when you ask for the prostrate massage. Negotiations have never worked for me during prime time (Thurs, Fri or Sat).
I recieved BBBJCIM w swallow plus prostrate massage for 40.
Happy NegotiatingAwesome! Now share the wealth and let us know who this nice young lady is! 😃.
Awesome! Now share the wealth and let us know who this nice young lady is! 😃.Super Bowl Sunday is over. Your time to negotiate has passed. But if you want to know who it is. PM for Seniors only that have given info and taken one for the team. Info should be earned.
Love The Lips
02-06-17, 17:35
Super Bowl Sunday is over. Your time to negotiate has passed. But if you want to know who it is. PM for Seniors only that have given info and taken one for the team. Info should be earned.Thanks, You are the man Benz! :)
Lessons in nogotiations.
On my way home from work
I texted an escort on BP that I haven't seen before, on Super Bowl Sunday. She said her short stay is 60, I asked for her Sunday night special, she said she doesn't have one but she would do 50. I said 40, the super bowl just started and your phone won't be ringing the rest of the night. She replied 40 is good. Then I confirmed cim. Yup. During the bbbjcim I asked about prostrate massage, she said it's not her favorite thing, I told her... it speeds things up sometimes. Into the night stand and out comes the lube.. Before leaving I established the same rate next time. She agreed because I was on time and had good hygiene.
I was home in time for diner on the table at 7:30 and watched most of the super bowl with my wife.
The timing is critical, even when you ask for the prostrate massage. Negotiations have never worked for me during prime time (Thurs, Fri or Sat).
I recieved BBBJCIM w swallow plus prostrate massage for 40.
Happy NegotiatingYour inbox is full my friend, please share info about this girl, I am not living in GR anymore but I am traveling twice a month.
Hey guys,
Looking for asian fun, full menu. Like DATYA so if you have suggestions please share. Private message or just reply. Thanks.
Anyone ever try this site? Looks like it could be nice but also has that air of Ashley Madison as well. Send me a message would love to know. Thanks.
Slowboatguy
02-13-17, 11:29
She posts on BP with great professional pictures. Don't know to copy and paste her post, otherwise I would have. Googled her number and came across the usual sites like escortbust, etc. Guess she also has used the name Hope. Anyone know anything about her? Seems way out there in TGTBT land.
She posts on BP with great professional pictures. Don't know to copy and paste her post, otherwise I would have. Googled her number and came across the usual sites like escortbust, etc. Guess she also has used the name Hope. Anyone know anything about her? Seems way out there in TGTBT land.European escort https://aurumgirls.co.uk/gallery/curvy/.
Slowboatguy
02-13-17, 15:21
European escort https://aurumgirls.co.uk/gallery/curvy/.I usually have a sense for that sort of thing, but somehow missed.
Anyone ever try this site? Looks like it could be nice but also has that air of Ashley Madison as well. Send me a message would love to know. Thanks.I have. Membership there and do well with it.
Just have to ask since BP got shut down and craigslist is basic shut down is there any new sites for local meetings. Nothing like the old days like escort vault escorts.com and other sites. It was nice just to have a site to pm a lady do private talk and meet. Oh well it will take time for a new site to pop up and help us all.
You mean like ours?
http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/
A2
Just have to ask since BP got shut down and craigslist is basic shut down is there any new sites for local meetings. Nothing like the old days like escort vault escorts.com and other sites. It was nice just to have a site to pm a lady do private talk and meet. Oh well it will take time for a new site to pop up and help us all.
You mean like ours?
http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/
A2We need a button on the the grand rapids thread to direct connect to our providers. When does the chat feature arrive?
Thanks in advance A2
Has anyone else noticed that ShaginKabay and his ATF both disappeared at the same time.
Contessa and ShaginKabay? ?
BadBoyFourU
02-19-17, 10:03
Has anyone else noticed that ShaginKabay and his ATF both disappeared at the same time.
Contessa and ShaginKabay? ?I am sure it is purely a matter of coincidence and there is no collusion involved. Too bad, I was so looking forward to how the database meta was going to turn out.
I am sure it is purely a matter of coincidence and there is no collusion involved. Too bad, I was so looking forward to how the database meta was going to turn out.His last post was a little testy with A2 . That may be a factor too. But when a frequent poster dissappears at the same time as his ATF, I'm leaning toward collusion.
ChipCharger
02-19-17, 18:20
His last post was a little testy with A2 . That may be a factor too. But when a frequent poster dissappears at the same time as his ATF, I'm leaning toward collusion.Stranger things have happened. In fact, over the years I have seen it happen quite a few times. Can't say I've ever heard it working out though.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/you-wont-leave-unhappy/28199905
Maybe I'll try that too. How bout this prospect: Smurfette? I'll bet her and I could make a go of it!!!!
Stranger things have happened. In fact, over the years I have seen it happen quite a few times. Can't say I've ever heard it working out though.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/you-wont-leave-unhappy/28199905
Maybe I'll try that too. How bout this prospect: Smurfette? I'll bet her and I could make a go of it!!!!I think you have to have enough money to support her. I'll help you out with a working link. Wouldn't want Bloozer to catch anyone posting a non-working link.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/you-wont-leave-unhappy/28199905
Toftt found nice lady she's in marne but easy to find pm and ill give you more info on her I don't think you will be unhappy she's a real nice lady.
Wolverines
03-05-17, 19:12
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/michigan_police_can_have_sex_w.html#incart_river_home
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/michigan_police_can_have_sex_w.html#incart_river_homeThat's kind of scary for providers.
I have this picture of a cop coming home to the wife. "What did you do today, Honey?" "Just a usual day. Caught some criminals. Slept with a prostitute. ".
Member #5862
03-06-17, 13:47
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/michigan_police_can_have_sex_w.html#incart_river_homeThat reminds me of the movie: "In Too Deep" How far can a UC go without crossing the line or getting exposed.
Long time monger just wanted to know if there's any other sites out there to use for the use for hooking up. I see back page craigslist scorps *********** city vibe and others all shut down or not in use and its just hard to find a site. I'm sure a lot of the older mongers remember the old sites that had chat rooms and greet and meet. I do feel in the old days the girls did treat us better then how they treat us now dirty smelly incalls and high prices for low quality services not all but a lot so if any one has a nice free site just to look and use please let us know.
NutsAboutButs
03-17-17, 10:43
Long time monger just wanted to know if there's any other sites out there to use for the use for hooking up. I see back page craigslist scorps *********** city vibe and others all shut down or not in use and its just hard to find a site. I'm sure a lot of the older mongers remember the old sites that had chat rooms and greet and meet. I do feel in the old days the girls did treat us better then how they treat us now dirty smelly incalls and high prices for low quality services not all but a lot so if any one has a nice free site just to look and use please let us know.Ahh the daz of Bobbie, Lady Lisa, and Laurie Dollz and so many out great ladies. Meet and greats that turned into great the meat.
Ahh the daz of Bobbie, Lady Lisa, and Laurie Dollz and so many out great ladies. Meet and greats that turned into great the meat.You brought up some good old girls loved lady lisa bobbie and other ones.
SafariGuide
03-18-17, 10:56
Ahh the daz of Bobbie, Lady Lisa, and Laurie Dollz and so many out great ladies. Meet and greats that turned into great the meat.OMG, the memories! Talk about the good ol' days!
SG.
FarmerPete
03-18-17, 11:35
OMG, the memories! Talk about the good ol' days!
SG.She was a great one!
Slowboatguy
03-18-17, 14:30
She was a great one!And what a great time! Seemed the game was more 'human' back then. Smaller, more intimate community. Anyone remember 'adultguideto'? Think there were 4 or 5 girls from GR and that's where I met the quite remarkable Barbie Doll. Met her for a one hour appointment in Lansing that ended up going all night because she said she had no where else to go. Set me back a whopping $150.
FerrisBullDog
03-18-17, 16:52
OMG, the memories! Talk about the good ol' days!
SG.That was my best Duo.
BadBoyFourU
03-18-17, 19:05
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/michigan_police_can_have_sex_w.html#incart_river_homeThis is why LE checks are worthless in this state. As the law is written now an undercover LE can act as any monger or provider normally does and they a protected by the law. On the upside, the vast majority of the departments DO NOT allow their officers to go thru with the actual acts. Synergy's case comes to mind where the undercover got a BJ from her, but apparently was not given enough instruction as to their dept's rules, so while a great number of clients got outed, she was allowed to walk way without any charges and even got her confiscated property returned eventually.
She was a great one!And she was my first good time. It took a few years before I met someone as good. 14 years ago.
Stroker417
03-19-17, 20:53
OMG, the memories! Talk about the good ol' days!
SG.Years ago I did a duo with Bobbi and Laurie. BEST. TIME. EVER!
Years ago I did a duo with Bobbi and Laurie. BEST. TIME. EVER!Saw them together and separately, many times. I keep tabs on Laurie, although I haven't visited in years.
She just got out of KC hilton on March 22.
I just saw a posting from her friend on FB that she is no longer with us.
RIP Mercedes you will be missed.
Mr Bigshot
03-25-17, 14:17
She just got out of KC hilton on March 22.
I just saw a posting from her friend on FB that she is no longer with us.
RIP Mercedes you will be missed.So sorry to see this. Mercedes I already miss you.
She just got out of KC hilton on March 22.
I just saw a posting from her friend on FB that she is no longer with us.
RIP Mercedes you will be missed.What do you mean? She has passed away or she has left the state? What solid info do you have? I combed the obits and nothing is out there. I'm not challanging you Benz we spilled some of the same pussy out there but I am wondering what's up?
What do you mean? She has passed away or she has left the state? What solid info do you have? I combed the obits and nothing is out there. I'm not challanging you Benz we spilled some of the same pussy out there but I am wondering what's up?The FB thread is definitely real. Obit is not up yet but she is gone. RIP means rest in peace. Passed away.
I am shocked too.
The FB thread is definitely real. Obit is not up yet but she is gone. RIP means rest in peace. Passed away.
I am shocked too.Holy mother of mary. Didn't see that one coming. No details? What happened?
Brittany25
03-25-17, 18:45
Holy mother of mary. Didn't see that one coming. No details? What happened?So sad, rip baby girl.
Wolverines
03-25-17, 21:08
Shocking and sad to say the least. I saw her once maybe 3 years ago and she could not have been nicer. RIP.
She just got out of KC hilton on March 22.
I just saw a posting from her friend on FB that she is no longer with us.
RIP Mercedes you will be missed.
Cap Augie Nemo
03-25-17, 23:39
She was great, saw her a few times over the years, and she never disappointed.
She just got out of KC hilton on March 22.
I just saw a posting from her friend on FB that she is no longer with us.
RIP Mercedes you will be missed.
Mike Yepthatsm
03-26-17, 19:16
Herion is such a nasty drug that has destroyed so many lives. I heard that is what she overdosed on.
Holy mother of mary. Didn't see that one coming. No details? What happened?
ChicagoSouth
03-26-17, 19:49
Herion is such a nasty drug that has destroyed so many lives. I heard that is what she overdosed on.That is a shame. She always so sweet.
FerrisBullDog
03-26-17, 20:35
The FB thread is definitely real. Obit is not up yet but she is gone. RIP means rest in peace. Passed away.
I am shocked too.I would like to send them. Can you please pm me her info. ? I've seen her on and off for the last 10 yrs. WOW THAT SUCKS. RIP SWEET THING.
Herion is such a nasty drug that has destroyed so many lives. I heard that is what she overdosed on.Post #8259 in BP Advertiser section. I pointed out that she was working to support this exact habit, nobody had anything to say about it then. Not a shock to me but very sad all the same.
Love The Lips
03-26-17, 21:35
The FB thread is definitely real. Obit is not up yet but she is gone. RIP means rest in peace. Passed away.
I am shocked too.So sad. It's been a while since I've seen her but I remember first seeing her modeling pics on the old boards. She was stunningly beautiful back in the day before she got involved in the bad stuff. RIP.
Post #8259 in BP Advertiser section. I pointed out that she was working to support this exact habit, nobody had anything to say about it then. Not a shock to me but very sad all the same.I think the majority of girls use this "hobby" to support their habit.
Love The Lips
03-29-17, 00:14
Ugh. I was hoping that the news of her passing was somehow not true but, I just read her obit that she indeed passed on March 25. So sad. RIP beautiful girl.
For fuck's sake guys, I think it is in everyone's best interest to refrain from mentioning the girl we knew as Mercedes on her Obit memorial wall. Very disappointed that some monger has already put that out there.
ChicagoSouth
03-30-17, 11:14
For fuck's sake guys, I think it is in everyone's best interest to refrain from mentioning the girl we knew as Mercedes on her Obit memorial wall. Very disappointed that some monger has already put that out there.Well said.
For fuck's sake guys, I think it is in everyone's best interest to refrain from mentioning the girl we knew as Mercedes on her Obit memorial wall. Very disappointed that some monger has already put that out there.That was my thought as well. If you want to remember a girl, then putting her obituary on a board such as this is not exactly a good way to commemorate her life.
And I think the best of intentions was behind the post, but the reality is that she probably would not want to be remembered for this part of her life.
That was my thought as well. If you want to remember a girl, then putting her obituary on a board such as this is not exactly a good way to commemorate her life.
And I think the best of intentions was behind the post, but the reality is that she probably would not want to be remembered for this part of her life.I did make the original announcement and maybe I should have said the best way for our board to honor her life is in silence. I was kinda speechless at the time I posted it.
I have had numerous requests for her personal information and I have refused to give any info.
I thought it was a given that we could let her rest in peace.
I wanted to but didn't go to the funeral home feeling that her last day should not be a monger meeting.
We should show honor and respect for an honorable and respectful lady by being silent.
Obviously some are just curious and have not been affected or hurt by her passing.
It is sad that this even had to be said.
Benz1 has always been Mercedes #1 fan. We knew each other well.
Please honor her with silence
For fuck's sake guys, I think it is in everyone's best interest to refrain from mentioning the girl we knew as Mercedes on her Obit memorial wall. Very disappointed that some monger has already put that out there.If the guy that did it would edit his comment, then he would do a big favor for her memory. Leaving it as is will lead inquiring minds to her past that is better left unknown. Even this discussion here can be found with google.
If the guy that did it would edit his comment, then he would do a big favor for her memory. Leaving it as is will lead inquiring minds to her past that is better left unknown. Even this discussion here can be found with google.Exactly why I posted Mac. I'm sure the monger meant no harm; but I hope he realizes the damage that could be done and edits his comment.
Exactly why I posted Mac. I'm sure the monger meant no harm; but I hope he realizes the damage that could be done and edits his comment.I tried to send him a PM and I got a notice that he does not accept or is not allowed to get PM.
Member #5862
03-31-17, 23:59
In the photo gallery for this section, there's a picture named "sumer". Who is that chick in the picture? I tried finding the original post, but there's too many pages to search through. I also searched for the file name with no luck.
HereShoping
04-01-17, 06:26
Thanks for the info on Mercedes. I only saw her once but wanted to repeat. As I recall, she had a daughter. Very sad.
She was a beautiful woman who took shit from no one. I remember a mug shot from when she was arrested for resisting arrest after being picked up for driving without a license. When I asked her about the pic, she gave me that Mercedes grin, and said "I didn't go down easy". Priceless!
She was a beautiful woman who took shit from no one. I remember a mug shot from when she was arrested for resisting arrest after being picked up for driving without a license. When I asked her about the pic, she gave me that Mercedes grin, and said "I didn't go down easy". Priceless!One of my best memories of Mercedes is how clean she kept her room. I have seen her many times and never a thing out of place everything always smelled good too. She confessed to me that she had OCD. I had to laugh out loud when the last time I saw her she helped me tie my shoes and already had a cloth in her hand wiping the dirt off, she told me I had to clean up my act if I wanted to spend time with her. Mercedes and Benz always had alot of laughs. Her favorite place to eat was at IHOP on East 28th st. She seemed to enjoy life more than anyone else I know.
Yes, you read that right. Mercedes - Benz1 is her number one fan. She will never be forgotten, for so many reasons.
And that's Kristine with K as she says.
Met her one night at Z's, started off feeling like a hookup buy she whispered in my ear she'd need cash to play. Was wondering if anyone else her has run across her. Have a feeling she's a known entity around the city. I'd guess mid 40's not a bad body, kinda kooky, loves getting choked and spanked.
Stroker417
04-20-17, 11:53
Who are you referring to?
Link??
And that's Kristine with K as she says.
Met her one night at Z's, started off feeling like a hookup buy she whispered in my ear she'd need cash to play. Was wondering if anyone else her has run across her. Have a feeling she's a known entity around the city. I'd guess mid 40's not a bad body, kinda kooky, loves getting choked and spanked.
MarcoPoloGr
04-20-17, 16:57
If I understood MH's original post, there is no link because he's not talking about an ad, he's talking about a provider that he met in a bar.
Who are you referring to?
Link??
If I understood MH's original post, there is no link because he's not talking about an ad, he's talking about a provider that he met in a bar.That is correct.
Would you mind giving more of a description of Kristine with K beyond mid-40's?
Thanks.
And that's Kristine with K as she says.
Met her one night at Z's, started off feeling like a hookup buy she whispered in my ear she'd need cash to play. Was wondering if anyone else her has run across her. Have a feeling she's a known entity around the city. I'd guess mid 40's not a bad body, kinda kooky, loves getting choked and spanked.
Member #6418
04-22-17, 05:40
Looking for a lady that has some lactating breasts she would like to share any info would be great.
Lakeshore1
04-23-17, 08:54
Looking for a lady that has some lactating breasts she would like to share any info would be great.I too have been looking for this. Must be white, with large boobs though.
ChipCharger
04-23-17, 09:22
Looking for a lady that has some lactating breasts she would like to share any info would be great.I don't know first hand but I thought I read this girl is pg and lactating.
Looking for a lady that has some lactating breasts she would like to share any info would be great.Anna just popped a kid a few months ago, might meet your needs. She posts in the massage section of BP, usually has one pic of her hands over her huge breasts. Her location and set up has improved a lot, decent ms and he, overall decent experience (absolutely no upsell this time).
Amaregraeco
04-28-17, 21:46
Any of you guys inadvertently run across a provider while on the job (no, intentionally having them come to your office doesn't count)? I'm pretty sure that an SP works at my company, although in a different dept. Very distinctive tat.
It goes without saying, I am going to remain mum. Curious as to what others have experienced.
Happyone99
05-01-17, 02:50
Any of you guys inadvertently run across a provider while on the job (no, intentionally having them come to your office doesn't count)? I'm pretty sure that an SP works at my company, although in a different dept. Very distinctive tat.
It goes without saying, I am going to remain mum. Curious as to what others have experienced.At any time you meet someone from "hobby world" in the real world you do NOT recognize them or acknowledge them. You don't know who they are with and they don't know who you are with. Even if you don't see anyone else nearby. Don't look, don't stare, don't even say hi. Kids, parents and SO's ask questions. Don't give them a reason as they come around the corner from the next isle.
Innocence6969 started young at 18 and joined all the boards that a provider could be on and made a very good reputation for herself. I've never seen a bad review about her.
Innocence disappeared for a while and now has a SO that doesn't have a clue about who she is. She has tried to live the good life. A2 has mentioned in the past that a provider can and has been converted to house a wife but he also mentioned that it doesn't last forever, these women need excitement and change, seldom offered for most house wives.
A2 was right on this one, She has become a bored house wife and needs some excitement but not too much or she will get caught. That is why she doesn't want her digits passed around or her phone blowing up, contact her here on usasexguide at Innocence6969. There will also be possible cancellations due to her new life.
She also mentioned that she still has friends in the hobby that prefer to be UTR also. You could set up a duo or even 3 girls at her incall in Cedar.
Scheduling will be more difficult when school gets out in June. Don't be offended if you don't get a response right away, scheduling with her will be slow.
She will be happy to provide pics of those big tits if she could only figure out how to get from her phone to Private Messaging on this forum, if you can help her, I'm sure you will be rewarded with great pics of some really large tits.
SimonPieMan
05-24-17, 17:20
I'm hosting a "Last Supper" for my brother in Late August. It will be a small group of seasoned, respectful, professional gentleman (I'm laughing as I type). I'm looking for a few ladies to work as servers / entertainment. Does anyone have any recommendations? PM if you prefer.
Thanks,
Simon.
I'm hosting a "Last Supper" for my brother in Late August. It will be a small group of seasoned, respectful, professional gentleman (I'm laughing as I type). I'm looking for a few ladies to work as servers / entertainment. Does anyone have any recommendations? PM if you prefer.
Thanks,
Simon.I've never had a reason to call them but they are local and a friend of my Facebook.
https://m.facebook.com/angel.wildside
I'm hosting a "Last Supper" for my brother in Late August. It will be a small group of seasoned, respectful, professional gentleman (I'm laughing as I type). I'm looking for a few ladies to work as servers / entertainment. Does anyone have any recommendations? PM if you prefer.
Thanks,
Simon.I've never had a reason to call them but they are local and a friend of my Facebook.
Angel wildside.
SimonPieMan
05-24-17, 17:54
I've never had a reason to call them but they are local and a friend of my Facebook.
https://m.facebook.com/angel.wildsideThank you sir.
GPS.
We the client with the cash can change that.
I've been saying this for years. Don't tip until the end of services and only tip if service was good enough.
We the monger will win this battle, as long as it is a concerted effort by all of us Seniors, Regulars and Lurkers. Be prepared to do it yourself or walk out if you don't get what you want.
We can set the tip price right now on thus site today.
USA members, Please respond.
I suggest. HJ 20, topless with roaming 20, nude with BBBJ 60 to 80 and FS 80 to 100.
After we agree on the tip rate, just show this to them on your phone and ask them How much of a tip do you want?
Your thoughts?
Mongers! This is a great weekend for negotiations, family time takes most of the hobby time and money. The girls everywhere will be willing to make a better deal this weekend.
I have given up on GR MP service.
I see a CMT when I need a massage and see an escort for extras.
Many of us want to combine both and so do I. So I bought a table, good edible massage oil and bring it to the escorts. They are real happy to massage you and you massage them then put their legs up and knees over your shoulders while you stand there and fuck them. The hard surface and the stand up fucking is a unique feeling for both. Most of the time the escort will give you a better massage than those GPS girls at the GR MP's. Escorts will ask if you are bringing your table next time because they had fun. Most of the time we have gone way over the hour appointment but they had fun and don't care.
This discussion should probably stay in General Reports. Leaving backpage advertiser reviews and small discussions.
GPS.
We the client with the cash can change that.
Be prepared to do it yourself or walk out if you don't get what you want.Check the liver temp. Put a chalk line around it. Cover it with a tarp! A full on Boycott is the only thing that might get a pulse. Find 1 go to girl or rely on the kindness of a Fellow Monger for an UTR girl. That's what it's come down to around here. The Glory Days are gone!
Chokes me up just thinkin' about it. Sniff Sniff!
NJ.
Jayce Dragon
05-25-17, 17:15
On here as matter of fact. Some folks were clowning me for staying at Blessings but they give a damm good massage and they give off a positive atmosphere. I'll take that over a busted massage just to get a weak HJ or BJ. That's basically a $120 HJ / BJ. You coulda got that for 70 from some working girl or for less from a SW.
I decided to step out of my range a little bit with Healing Hands and Relax Massage. I'm not venturing out no more. And who knows, maybe the more I come in Blessings they'll slip a HE in there. I only tip them 10 or $20. But I get out of there feeling right.
Think about it. If a girl is terrible at a massage, all you did was pay $80 for a HJ. You coulda got a SW to do that for $20.
Check the liver temp. Put a chalk line around it. Cover it with a tarp! A full on Boycott is the only thing that might get a pulse. Find 1 go to girl or rely on the kindness of a Fellow Monger for an UTR girl. That's what it's come down to around here. The Glory Days are gone!
Chokes me up just thinkin' about it. Sniff Sniff!
NJ.I totally agree with NJ and Jayce Dragon.
That's why I got out.
But if there is a parade reporting back on this form to eliminate GPS, I will join the March and report back too.
Remember you have to be willing to DIY or walk away. (You might have to Jerk off before you go).
Its been awhile since I've jerked off in front a MP girl, this could be fun. Especially the reports about their reactions to us taking matters into our own hands. LOL
Without full unity all efforts are useless.
NJ is right, right now.
Jayce Dragon
05-26-17, 00:25
When you finish yourself off. Its like a slap in the face to some. Some don't give a fuck but once they hear about another girl getting more $$ for balls she drained maybe she'll change her mind. Nobody is not saying this has to be cheap but it doesn't mean be expensive either. I mean who the fuck are these girls, really? Go to any porn database and not one of their names pop up.
I had a run in with GPS a while ago on the NW side. A girl I used to see for footjobs was cool I was going to make her a reg. But her friend got a guy cashing HER out more. So guess what? My reg upped her damage. I'm like, WTF is going on why the change in price. She goes on about the cost of living and whatnot. That's BS in my eyes. You're a woman. You can easily toss 25 guys off for $50 in a day and that's $1300. Hell, even 25 for $100 that's over 2 grand in a day, 5 days a week that's over 12 grand. Problems with chicks these days is they expect guys to give them shit just because they are women.
I haven't been to many MPs because as I see on here there are so many mixed reviews and not many are consistent. And I'm not trying to lay down $100 just for a bad rub and a decent HJ. The only other place I been to was MBD. That was because I didn't know Emily worked there but that's where she led me. Things were rushed but her vibe was good. She also met me outside the office because I complemented her feet and she understood. She even put her prices down from the house prices. If she had better techniques and ease up on the grip she'd make more.
Post number 13518 in backpage reviews by DjBiker is an example of how everyone should respond to GPS. Hopefully he only scheduled hhr because the last reviews on Healthy Habits were Lame Massage.
By the way Jayce, it's ok if they get offended and take it personal.
We are offended by GPS.
All this being said is proof that NJ is probably right.
Mike Yepthatsm
05-26-17, 12:43
IMO seekingarrangements and other similar sites are an awesome alternative to BP and massage parlors. It takes more time on the front end but the reward can be amazing. I have had several long term arrangements from that site with women aged anywhere from 19-25. My current one is a 90 lb knockout who is in her early 20's. I asked if there is anything she doesn't like sexually and her response was "I don't like if you are disappointed. Otherwise, I like everything. " she's into anal and gets turned on by giving head. We haven't yet, but she said she has never had a threesome but would like to try it at least once. We see each other at least every week or 2. Now it's more expensive than BP or massage parlor but our time together usually lasts anywhere from 2-4 hours. So per hour it's much cheaper.
This avenue isn't for everyone. The women on that site don't think of themselves as escorts or prostitutes, so your approach towards them must be different. Many, not all, are looking for some chemistry. If you dress ok, can carry a conversation, have a good personality you can do well on that site. I don't really have any leads to share as I no longer have an active profile and the girl I'm seeing said she's only looking for one person to see regularly (me). If you look in the Richmond Virginia section of this site there is a sugar baby thread with tons of good information if you haven't tried this avenue before. I suggest reading it for tips and pointers.
BP and massage parlors are good for spur of the moment encounters but the quality of women on the sugar baby websites can't be beat.
Innocence6969 started young at 18 and joined all the boards that a provider could be on and made a very good reputation for herself. I've never seen a bad review about her.
Innocence disappeared for a while and now has a SO that doesn't have a clue about who she is. She has tried to live the good life. A2 has mentioned in the past that a provider can and has been converted to house a wife but he also mentioned that it doesn't last forever, these women need excitement and change, seldom offered for most house wives.
A2 was right on this one, She has become a bored house wife and needs some excitement but not too much or she will get caught. That is why she doesn't want her digits passed around or her phone blowing up, contact her here on usasexguide at Innocence6969. There will also be possible cancellations due to her new life.
She also mentioned that she still has friends in the hobby that prefer to be UTR also. You could set up a duo or even 3 girls at her incall in Cedar.
Scheduling will be more difficult when school gets out in June. Don't be offended if you don't get a response right away, scheduling with her will be slow.
She will be happy to provide pics of those big tits if she could only figure out how to get from her phone to Private Messaging on this forum, if you can help her, I'm sure you will be rewarded with great pics of some really large tits.Innocence6969 update.
She has not been feeling well and is taking a break.
Moonglow913
06-08-17, 07:45
IMO seekingarrangements and other similar sites are an awesome alternative to BP and massage parlors. It takes more time on the front end but the reward can be amazing. I have had several long term arrangements from that site with women aged anywhere from 19-25. My current one is a 90 lb knockout who is in her early 20's. I asked if there is anything she doesn't like sexually and her response was "I don't like if you are disappointed. Otherwise, I like everything. " she's into anal and gets turned on by giving head. We haven't yet, but she said she has never had a threesome but would like to try it at least once. We see each other at least every week or 2. Now it's more expensive than BP or massage parlor but our time together usually lasts anywhere from 2-4 hours. So per hour it's much cheaper.
This avenue isn't for everyone. The women on that site don't think of themselves as escorts or prostitutes, so your approach towards them must be different. Many, not all, are looking for some chemistry. If you dress ok, can carry a conversation, have a good personality you can do well on that site. I don't really have any leads to share as I no longer have an active profile and the girl I'm seeing said she's only looking for one person to see regularly (me). If you look in the Richmond Virginia section of this site there is a sugar baby thread with tons of good information if you haven't tried this avenue before. I suggest reading it for tips and pointers.
BP and massage parlors are good for spur of the moment encounters but the quality of women on the sugar baby websites can't be beat.I had to keep checking to make sure I didn't write this post. I only difference is I see three women whom I met off SA (one quite regularly, the other two less so). Like Mike said, you have to approach it differently but at the end of the day you end up at the same place. Pay to play. Chemistry is important and they usually seek some sort "connection" and perhaps as a result I have found the sex to usually be off the chart. Occasionally you will see one of our "working girls" on the site but for the most part a great alternative.
Answering Girls1 question from the Reviews Thread.
The owner of BP was busted with some under age girls. LE set up stings around the country to prove that BP escort page was being used for human trafficking of under age girls. They found enough evidence to shut it down.
Eventually they might shut down the rest of BP too.
We should be encouraging all our ladies to use the Usa AdultClassified site
Answering Girls1 question from the Reviews Thread.
The owner of BP was busted with some under age girls. LE set up stings around the country to prove that BP escort page was being used for human trafficking of under age girls. They found enough evidence to shut it down.
Eventually they might shut down the rest of BP too.
We should be encouraging all our ladies to use the Usa AdultClassified siteI agree that eventually BP will be shut down, especially with the scrutiny that is being applied.
The alternative site (USA adult classifieds) works a little strange. I'm not sure what time zone it is based out of but ads are posted at strange hours and not consistent with when a provider is available. After BP took the initial hit I contacted some provided on adult classifieds only to find out they weren't offer that day and didn't know why it was being posted.
It could all be user error but I've used BP flawlessly without any issues and will continue to do so until it closes with hopes that Adult Classifieds will correct some of the strange behaviors I have seen. If both fail that is when the hobby phone and contact list truly become valuable.
Does anyone use this site and do they have any luck?
Amaregraeco
06-26-17, 12:32
Guys,
Has anybody else noticed a rash of recent (over the last 12 days or so, almost coincidental to the seasonal influx of transient "visitors") no call no shows from established, reasonably well reviewed providers on booked, confirmed appointments from SPs that you've seen multiple times?
This goes with the territory, and one takes it in stride to stay level headed. Just curious is all.
Guys,
Has anybody else noticed a rash of recent (over the last 12 days or so, almost coincidental to the seasonal influx of transient "visitors") no call no shows from established, reasonably well reviewed providers on booked, confirmed appointments from SPs that you've seen multiple times?
This goes with the territory, and one takes it in stride to stay level headed. Just curious is all.My last two out of three fall in these categories. Deadre about 45 minutes late (in hindsight, should have bailed. Not an enjoyable experience); Jessica, said running late (again), wanted to reschedule the next day, haven't recontacted her. Now I have a Plan B, even Plan C, in mind as backups. I'm not sure if there has been an increase lately, or if this has been common all along.
Three Nutz
06-27-17, 22:07
Does anyone use this site and do they have any luck?Yes.
This answer is Three Nutz approved.
Member #5710
06-28-17, 07:40
Guys,
Has anybody else noticed a rash of recent (over the last 12 days or so, almost coincidental to the seasonal influx of transient "visitors") no call no shows from established, reasonably well reviewed providers on booked, confirmed appointments from SPs that you've seen multiple times?
This goes with the territory, and one takes it in stride to stay level headed. Just curious is all.If you schedule time with an "established, reasonably well reviewed provider" and she no shows, my advice is to drop her and find someone else. Maybe you give her one chance to reschedule and explain what happened (because shit does happen) but if it happens more than once, drop her, block the number and go find someone who can actually keep an appointment. Too many guys give too many of these providers multiple passes and they just continue to abuse your good will because you're thinking with the little head.
Chad Adler
06-28-17, 08:59
Guys,
Has anybody else noticed a rash of recent (over the last 12 days or so, almost coincidental to the seasonal influx of transient "visitors") no call no shows from established, reasonably well reviewed providers on booked, confirmed appointments from SPs that you've seen multiple times?
This goes with the territory, and one takes it in stride to stay level headed. Just curious is all.
If you schedule time with an "established, reasonably well reviewed provider" and she no shows, my advice is to drop her and find someone else. Maybe you give her one chance to reschedule and explain what happened (because shit does happen) but if it happens more than once, drop her, block the number and go find someone who can actually keep an appointment. Too many guys give too many of these providers multiple passes and they just continue to abuse your good will because you're thinking with the little head.While I can't argue with the logic of any of this, and I won't dispute the importance of playing it safe, I will say that I've hung out with a girl for an entire day while she was working (2 actually), and there is sometimes so much more going on behind the scenes than you would imagine. If you live out of town or are on a very specific schedule then I suppose you have to make appointments in advance, otherwise I would recommend just calling a girl when you're ready to see her.
As flaky as you think the one woman you want to see on a particular day is being, imagine the constant bombardment of calls and texts this girl is receiving from guys asking the same questions, trying to talk her down in price, requesting more pictures, and then saying they're on their way and not showing up or deciding to show up later when another guy has just said he's on his way. It's really incredible to watch and impressive that, in the middle of it all, they can even occasionally remember that one call or text from a regular who said he was going to show up at a specific time several hours later. And they do really remember you; you're just not quite as important to them as you'd like to think. They ultimately want to get as much money as quickly as they can right now and then get the next guy in the door or, if they have enough cash already, buy drugs.
Sometimes the drug deal itself is a big hassle that takes up a larger than expected chunk of the day. They have to wait for the guy to drop the stuff off. He might not be on time, but that's an appointment she really can't miss, so she'll have to reschedule with a client to accommodate that. Once she gets high, it gets even more chaotic. She'll start nodding off in the middle of text conversations, and then the whole day kind of slows down because that money is suddenly not nearly as important because she's not thinking about her next high yet.
I also saw this girl's parents unexpectedly drop off her kids for several hours in the middle of the day. Any appointment she had was put on hold because she (thankfully) refused to have the kids step out while she was seeing a client, even though they knew their mom gave massages for a living and worked out of the hotel.
The rest of the world runs on a schedule, but these girls are basically on call 24 hours a day, so making appointments isn't always the best fit for them. I've had much better luck calling a girl when I'm ready to see her. If she's not free, call the next one on your list. If she doesn't answer when you call and you have the time, maybe wait a half hour to see if she calls back before moving onto the next girl. She's probably dealing with some shit.
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