Advance payment

[Hotorcold]

Ok fellow mongers I know it is a definite no no to send advance payments, a lot of the girls are asking for it. I refuse to do so. How can I set up a meet without sending a deposit?

[SimpSince1991]

As you know never ever send a dime. My suggestion is send photo of cash with a note with her name on it. Request a phone call, to prove you are sincere rational stable individual. Other then that, not much you can do. If they do not make it easy to take our money.

[SmokinAcee]

Ok fellow mongers I know it is a definite no no to send advance payments, a lot of the girls are asking for it. I refuse to do so. How can I set up a meet without sending a deposit?I'd say 99% of the time they are a fake and a dude is behind it. You could send a quarter of a million and say you'll get the next quarter when we meet and they will still ghost you.

[SmokinAcee]

This actually happened to a friend of mine. Someone took her pics from a swipe app and was using it on another swipe app to bait men into sending money.

I knew the girl and jokingly asked why she was using the app when she was already in a ltr. She said she never used that app. So I tried to set up a meet with the profile. They kept saying they needed money to meet. Long story short she ended up having to call the swipe app and file a report. Took several weeks and still never got to the bottom of it.

I used to think it was just creeps in their basement trying to make a living, but now I'm convinced it's a conspiracy set up by these call girl sites, like skipthegames. I can picture an empty apartment in New York with 10 computers and some dudes posting profiles everywhere demanding money. Even ripping of a handful of guys across the country is still a good day for these guys.

[Flagrant]

Ok fellow mongers I know it is a definite no no to send advance payments, a lot of the girls are asking for it. I refuse to do so. How can I set up a meet without sending a deposit?Here's the correct way to think about this:

Are there enough fools desperate enough to send money in advance in the hopes of fucking some hot chick? Yes.

Given that, why would a girl who is fully prepared to meet ask for money in advance?

And even if she was fully prepared to meet, once she's discovered that there are fools desperate enough to send her money in advance, why wouldn't she just setup an ad in some other random city and rinse and repeat? And skip the whole meeting for real part?

And once dudes realize they can get in on the game and all they need is photos of a hot girl, what's to stop them?

It's simple: Never prepay. Ever. Once a girl asks for prepay, you can pretty much predict that she's not actually going to meet, and probably isn't a she. LOL.

[BigMilwaukee]

What has been said is all correct. Let's tie it all together with a couple main points.

1. Expect that everyone you contact is trying to steal from you.

2. If it seems to good to be true, it is.

3. Out of state numbers should be a huge red flag (although the scammers are becoming more adept at becoming more localized).

4. Pictures that look like they are from Maxum, playboy, sports illustrated, it is probably a fake add.

5. Anyone asking for a deposit is a scam. There might be some leeway given to traveling girls, but I wouldn't pay.

Just tell yourself over and over again, if they ask for money in advance, it is a scam. Do not be one of the many fools that feed this scamming industry that has popped up. If you want to give your money away, spend it on only fans or something stupid like that.


Here's the correct way to think about this:

Are there enough fools desperate enough to send money in advance in the hopes of fucking some hot chick? Yes.

Given that, why would a girl who is fully prepared to meet ask for money in advance?

And even if she was fully prepared to meet, once she's discovered that there are fools desperate enough to send her money in advance, why wouldn't she just setup an ad in some other random city and rinse and repeat? And skip the whole meeting for real part?

And once dudes realize they can get in on the game and all they need is photos of a hot girl, what's to stop them?

It's simple: Never prepay. Ever. Once a girl asks for prepay, you can pretty much predict that she's not actually going to meet, and probably isn't a she. LOL.

[BrickForm]

Here's the correct way to think about this:

Are there enough fools desperate enough to send money in advance in the hopes of fucking some hot chick? Yes.

Given that, why would a girl who is fully prepared to meet ask for money in advance?

And even if she was fully prepared to meet, once she's discovered that there are fools desperate enough to send her money in advance, why wouldn't she just setup an ad in some other random city and rinse and repeat? And skip the whole meeting for real part?

And once dudes realize they can get in on the game and all they need is photos of a hot girl, what's to stop them?

It's simple: Never prepay. Ever. Once a girl asks for prepay, you can pretty much predict that she's not actually going to meet, and probably isn't a she. LOL.I am always in shock that some men have no common sense. These things shouldn't have to be explained but unfortunately here we are! Foo's will do foolish things.

[RadCoach]

What has been said is all correct. Let's tie it all together with a couple main points.

1. Expect that everyone you contact is trying to steal from you.

2. If it seems to good to be true, it is.

3. Out of state numbers should be a huge red flag (although the scammers are becoming more adept at becoming more localized).

4. Pictures that look like they are from Maxum, playboy, sports illustrated, it is probably a fake add.

5. Anyone asking for a deposit is a scam. There might be some leeway given to traveling girls, but I wouldn't pay.

Just tell yourself over and over again, if they ask for money in advance, it is a scam. Do not be one of the many fools that feed this scamming industry that has popped up. If you want to give your money away, spend it on only fans or something stupid like that.#'s 2, 3, 4, and 5 - all good.

#1 is a problem, Daddy's with this attitude poison the few good babies we have.

[BigMilwaukee]

Everyone has their own way of doing things. I have learned, the hard way mind you, that it is best to play it safe. Consider it more preventative then. Practice things such as don't bring anything to an incall that you can not afford to loose. Avoid outcalls to your residence, whether your house or apartment. Do not leave anything valuable out or in the bathroom. Only have enough money on you to cover the visit.


#'s 2, 3, 4, and 5 - all good.

#1 is a problem, Daddy's with this attitude poison the few good babies we have.

[RadCoach]

Everyone has their own way of doing things. I have learned, the hard way mind you, that it is best to play it safe. Consider it more preventative then. Practice things such as don't bring anything to an incall that you can not afford to loose. Avoid outcalls to your residence, whether your house or apartment. Do not leave anything valuable out or in the bathroom. Only have enough money on you to cover the visit.Are you talking about SB's or escorts? While my opinion is definitely not shared by everyone, there is a big difference between the two. If you're talking about escorts I'd agree, SB's I've had in my home and will again.

[PeckerHead]

I am always in shock that some men have no common sense. These things shouldn't have to be explained but unfortunately here we are! Foo's will do foolish things.Agreed. I don't even want to hear someone complaining about it. It's all self inflicted. Don't think your going to get sympathy from me and you just look plain stupid for doing such a thing.

[BigMilwaukee]

I personally do not differentiate between the two. Both are mercenary agreements. I certainly understand how you and others do tho. Often you are dealing with more,"normal," girls, with less chance of habits or mental health issues causing problems. Mabye I am just cynical, but anyone willing to sell themselves is also willing to do other things to benifit themselves. Now again, this is just my opinion.


Are you talking about SB's or escorts? While my opinion is definitely not shared by everyone, there is a big difference between the two. If you're talking about escorts I'd agree, SB's I've had in my home and will again.

[RadCoach]

I personally do not differentiate between the two. Both are mercenary agreements. I certainly understand how you and others do tho. Often you are dealing with more,"normal," girls, with less chance of habits or mental health issues causing problems. Mabye I am just cynical, but anyone willing to sell themselves is also willing to do other things to benifit themselves. Now again, this is just my opinion.If you don't, can't or refuse to differentiate between escorts and babies, you're a huge part of the problem.

[BigMilwaukee]

Don't just stop there and leave me hanging buddy, elaborate. The whole point of a discussion is to express your point of view. Some may agree, some may disagree, some may have an epiphany and change their minds on something. No one can do anything if you don't express yourself.


If you don't, can't or refuse to differentiate between escorts and babies, you're a huge part of the problem.

[RadCoach]

Don't just stop there and leave me hanging buddy, elaborate. The whole point of a discussion is to express your point of view. Some may agree, some may disagree, some may have an epiphany and change their minds on something. No one can do anything if you don't express yourself.Need me to explain, really? The biggest problem with the "babies" is that there aren't enough of the good ones to go around. Now I hope you're asking yourself "hmmm why aren't there more? I'll tell you why.

Because the moment they start their profile on SA the receive a barrage of messages from men who share your thoughts where the content of the message is offensive. Offensive to a baby is when you talk to them or treat them like an escort, hooker or street walking *****. A lot of the good babies don't make it a week. Those with thicker skin might dabble on the site for a month or so, just until they've had enough. The babies who stay longer and see multiple men are the ones with lesser resolve or character.

[PeckerHead]

Don't just stop there and leave me hanging buddy, elaborate. The whole point of a discussion is to express your point of view. Some may agree, some may disagree, some may have an epiphany and change their minds on something. No one can do anything if you don't express yourself.I think what he means is your definition is the same when it should not be. Yes hamburger and steak are beef but no they are not therefore the same. I don't consider escorts the same as SB's but yes both are women. Completely different other than they are both women.

[BigMilwaukee]

How exactly are they different? They are both groups of women. They are both excepting money for sexual (normally) interactions with you. They both often have habits, vices, mental issues that prevent them from functioning as a,"normal," member of society. The two groups often have a different price point, but from what I have read, not often a huge difference. Both groups have their scammers. From what I have read, the quality of girl might on average be higher in the SB realm, but I have no experience to draw from.

I am not attempting to be aggressive, but am interested in your guys opinions on this, and would love to flesh this out.


I think what he means is your definition is the same when it should not be. Yes hamburger and steak are beef but no they are not therefore the same. I don't consider escorts the same as SB's but yes both are women. Completely different other than they are both women.

[RadCoach]

How exactly are they different? They are both groups of women. They are both excepting money for sexual (normally) interactions with you. They both often have habits, vices, mental issues that prevent them from functioning as a,"normal," member of society. The two groups often have a different price point, but from what I have read, not often a huge difference. Both groups have their scammers. From what I have read, the quality of girl might on average be higher in the SB realm, but I have no experience to draw from.

I am not attempting to be aggressive, but am interested in your guys opinions on this, and would love to flesh this out.Most SB's do not have habits, vices, (drug problems) or mental issues. Most are in fact, normal members of society. "Most" are actually students that are struggling to pay for tuition and living expenses. Each of the 3 SB's I see are students who are working hard to reach educational and life goals without the benefits that come with parents with the financial resources to help. Take this, or leave it and continue on in your ignorant world filled with false judgments.

[Flagrant]

How exactly are they different? They are both groups of women. They are both excepting money for sexual (normally) interactions with you. They both often have habits, vices, mental issues that prevent them from functioning as a,"normal," member of society. The two groups often have a different price point, but from what I have read, not often a huge difference. Both groups have their scammers. From what I have read, the quality of girl might on average be higher in the SB realm, but I have no experience to draw from.

I am not attempting to be aggressive, but am interested in your guys opinions on this, and would love to flesh this out.In general, girls you meet on SA aren't fucking a dozen other guys per day at $80 per quarter hour. That sort of volume grinds the soul to dust.

[PeckerHead]

How exactly are they different? They are both groups of women. They are both excepting money for sexual (normally) interactions with you. They both often have habits, vices, mental issues that prevent them from functioning as a,"normal," member of society. The two groups often have a different price point, but from what I have read, not often a huge difference. Both groups have their scammers. From what I have read, the quality of girl might on average be higher in the SB realm, but I have no experience to draw from.

I am not attempting to be aggressive, but am interested in your guys opinions on this, and would love to flesh this out.I've never talked money for sex with any SB I've met. I've invited some on dates and they replied with an amount but I pass on those types and move on. Why would I pay to go out with someone for drinks and / or dinner or even to share a cup of coffee with? They aren't SB's they're escorts trying to drum up business on a SD site. PPM is something an escort would do. PPM isn't allowed on Seeking so right there that sort of destroys the first part of your explanation. Secondly, I have not met anyone on SA with habits or mental issues so I don't know what you mean by that. They've all had real jobs or are going to college so pretty much normal members of society.

[BigMilwaukee]

So you don't pay, or "gift," the suggar baby anything? She just wants to get together for nothing? From all I have read on the topic, there is the classic allowance for a set amount of meetings per week / month. I have also read about basic PPM for a set dollar amount. If you are pulling normal girls that want nothing from you in exchange for their time and body, you my friend, need to put on a symposium for the rest of us.


I've never talked money for sex with any SB I've met. I've invited some on dates and they replied with an amount but I pass on those types and move on. Why would I pay to go out with someone for drinks and / or dinner or even to share a cup of coffee with? They aren't SB's they're escorts trying to drum up business on a SD site. PPM is something an escort would do. PPM isn't allowed on Seeking so right there that sort of destroys the first part of your explanation. Secondly, I have not met anyone on SA with habits or mental issues so I don't know what you mean by that. They've all had real jobs or are going to college so pretty much normal members of society.

[PeckerHead]

So you don't pay, or "gift," the suggar baby anything? She just wants to get together for nothing? From all I have read on the topic, there is the classic allowance for a set amount of meetings per week / month. I have also read about basic PPM for a set dollar amount. If you are pulling normal girls that want nothing from you in exchange for their time and body, you my friend, need to put on a symposium for the rest of us.I never said I didn't sprinkle some sugar on them. I just don't discuss money for sex or stupid shit like PPM. Why on God's green earth would you have to pay someone to meet up?

[Beldam]

Most SB's do not have habits, vices, (drug problems) or mental issues. Most are in fact, normal members of society. "Most" are actually students that are struggling to pay for tuition and living expenses. Each of the 3 SB's I see are students who are working hard to reach educational and life goals without the benefits that come with parents with the financial resources to help. Take this, or leave it and continue on in your ignorant world filled with false judgments.The longer you are in this the more you will see what it is.

[Miltown]

Your reply was "laughable". And ignorant. And naive. Clearly you don't know shit and haven't been on this site long enough. I've met junkies, prostitutes (hard core), criminals and mental midgets on here. If you are on SA long enough, it is inevitable.

I knew 2 that have since died (heroin), 1 is in jail, and 2 got knocked up by SDs.

All of those don't include the 1 robbery, 1 attempted robbery, fake pregnancy and 3 extortion attempts (telling the wife). The vast majority of these women are simply better looking hookers since they are selling pussy.


Most SB's do not have habits, vices, (drug problems) or mental issues. Most are in fact, normal members of society. "Most" are actually students that are struggling to pay for tuition and living expenses. Each of the 3 SB's I see are students who are working hard to reach educational and life goals without the benefits that come with parents with the financial resources to help. Take this, or leave it and continue on in your ignorant world filled with false judgments.

[PeckerHead]

Your reply was "laughable". And ignorant. And naive. Clearly you don't know shit and haven't been on this site long enough. I've met junkies, prostitutes (hard core), criminals and mental midgets on here. If you are on SA long enough, it is inevitable.

I knew 2 that have since died (heroin), 1 is in jail, and 2 got knocked up by SDs.

All of those don't include the 1 robbery, 1 attempted robbery, fake pregnancy and 3 extortion attempts (telling the wife). The vast majority of these women are simply better looking hookers since they are selling pussy.You really know how to pick them. I've never met up with any of these types and I've been on the SD sites for over 10 years now. I've conversed with hundreds of potential SB's. Now I know some of the SB's I've conversed with could of been or were junkies, prostitutes, or mental midgets but I figured that out and dumped them. I've met about 100 face to face. Only did a 2nd date with 25% of those. Perhaps your screening process needs improvements? I usually can tell through conversations or a face to face fairly quickly whether someone is a heroin addict or any of the other types you mentioned. Being that you are married and I'm not, I probably have more time than you to do a thorough screening. It does take up time. Unless you are extremely wealthy or in a unique marriage, I would just stick to escorts if I were you. I doubt you're going to find any decent SB's on these sites. You pretty much have proven that from what you posted as your personal experience. Those girls you're seeing are the bottom feeders. No one else is going to invest a bunch of time in them. That's why they're always logged in or keep showing up with new profiles.

[RadCoach]

Your reply was "laughable". And ignorant. And naive. Clearly you don't know shit and haven't been on this site long enough. I've met junkies, prostitutes (hard core), criminals and mental midgets on here. If you are on SA long enough, it is inevitable.

I knew 2 that have since died (heroin), 1 is in jail, and 2 got knocked up by SDs.

All of those don't include the 1 robbery, 1 attempted robbery, fake pregnancy and 3 extortion attempts (telling the wife). The vast majority of these women are simply better looking hookers since they are selling pussy.I live in Madison, I started this to meet, friend and fuck students who needed financial help from a well to do professional such as myself. I've met 3 and repeat with all 3, I guess you could say I know what I'm doing. If you're meeting scum perhaps you should clean up your own act and up your ante.

[Miltown]

That's precious. 3 whole women for you to have expert knowledge. I met 3 women 10 years ago. But as myself and all other posters alluded to, you are wrong. And by the way, your first regular from the Madison board has been fucking guys for years yet you blindly listened to her for weeks. Atta boy.


I live in Madison, I started this to meet, friend and fuck students who needed financial help from a well to do professional such as myself. I've met 3 and repeat with all 3, I guess you could say I know what I'm doing. If you're meeting scum perhaps you should clean up your own act and up your ante.

[RadCoach]

That's precious. 3 whole women for you to have expert knowledge. I met 3 women 10 years ago. But as myself and all other posters alluded to, you are wrong. And by the way, your first regular from the Madison board has been fucking guys for years yet you blindly listened to her for weeks. Atta boy.I started in November, I've met 3 young ladies and again, I continue to repeat with all 3. That's what I wanted out of this and that's what I got. You obviously are looking at numbers and you're getting what you're getting, god for you LOL. As for Rachael (assuming you're referring to Rachael) you're full of shit. She's 21 she started on SA in October. If she's been fucking guys on here for years, surely one of the many guys who have fucked here could stand up and confirm this, right? And maybe you or another can tell me the shape and location of her birthmark? I'm blind, yea right.

[RadCoach]

I started in November, I've met 3 young ladies and again, I continue to repeat with all 3. That's what I wanted out of this and that's what I got. You obviously are looking at numbers and you're getting what you're getting, god for you LOL. As for Rachael (assuming you're referring to Rachael) you're full of shit. She's 21 she started on SA in October. If she's been fucking guys on here for years, surely one of the many guys who have fucked here could stand up and confirm this, right? And maybe you or another can tell me the shape and location of her birthmark? I'm blind, yea right.Now why am I not surprised?

[Natefarwell]

Now why am I not surprised?Rad! I sent you a detailed PM a couple months ago. It clearly detailed my one time experience with Racheal. You chose to never reply.

[RadCoach]

Rad! I sent you a detailed PM a couple months ago. It clearly detailed my one time experience with Racheal. You chose to never reply.I just looked back, I've received 3 PM's from you, all in January and not once did you mention Rachael. Are you talking about the right Rachael?

[Natefarwell]

I just looked back, I've received 3 PM's from you, all in January and not once did you mention Rachael. Are you talking about the right Rachael?My Apologies bro! It was for the same lady but a different member on here.

[RadCoach]

My Apologies bro! It was for the same lady but a different member on here.Okay so you're saying you were with her. You must know the shape and placement of her birthmark, right?

[PeckerHead]

Okay so you're saying you were with her. You must know the shape and placement of her birthmark, right?Do not feed the troll. Trolls try to disrupt discussions to fit their own agendas.

[RadCoach]

Do not feed the troll. Trolls try to disrupt discussions to fit their own agendas.You've got a point without question, but it is fun to see the liars run out of a discussion.