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DavePHX

07-17-16, 22:14

Massive Seattle police prostitution sting a 'colossal waste of time'.

Phoenix has a long history of similar stings.

July 15,2016 (KIRO 7).

More than 200 people were arrested during a prostitution sting in the University District.

The Seattle Police Department made 204 arrests during a 10-day prostitution sting that involved setting up their own brothel. It was the most successful sting in SPD history.

And, in KIRO Radio's Don xxxx and Tom xxx estimation, a huge waste of time and money.

For the first time ever, vice detectives opened their own "brothel" to make the busts, leading to what Det. Sgt. Tom Uxxxx called the most successful prostitution sting in SPD history. When the "massage parlor" known as Euro Spa, located on Roosevelt Way Northeast in Seattle's University District, opened July 5, there was a line out the door of men looking for a massage. When men asked for sex in exchange for money they were arrested. Detectives posted ads for the parlor on backpage.com, a website notorious for advertising businesses that are covers for paid sex and escorts.

KIRO 7's Amy xxx reported that the SPD has been attempting to target the demand for prostitution in the city.

"It used to be that the prostitutes themselves were arrested and prosecuted the most," she said. "Now, King County is making a concerted effort to go after the people who go after these prostitutes. And they believe that by arresting them and charging them that it might prevent people from doing it in the future. ".

Xxx is a huge proponent of the work done by officers at the police department. But he noted that the group is understaffed by more than 340 officers and they are currently being paid tons of overtime to deal with the recent protests related to shootings around the country, as well. There is also a heroin epidemic and massive homeless problem.

That's why, to him, the sting was a "colossal waste of time. ".

"This is ridiculous; this cost a lot of money and is tomfoolery," he said. "You pick up the phone and call the police and they're not coming. Well, because we're using our man- and women-power to do stuff like this. ".

Xxxl said it would be a completely different thing if police went after sex-traffickers or people who pressure and abuse underage girls involved in sex work. Instead, he says, it's more of an attack on the lives of tech workers and lonely Seattle residents.

"A lot of these men probably won't do any time for this, but they will sure be embarrassed, there will be divorces over this, families will be embarrassed and they may end up losing their jobs," he said. "If these are underage girls, that's different, if it's girls being trafficked, that's different. ".

Other reports:

"We never anticipated this volume," Sgt. Tom xxxxx said of the brisk business at the police-operated Euro Spa, the first sting operation of its kind in the city. He estimated court fines from the operation — $2,733 for a first-time offender, with repeat offenders paying more — will total at least $550,000.

Xxx chain of command has stressed that whenever police resources allow, there should be mandatory jail bookings for men arrested for sexual exploitation. It's the relatively new name adopted by the City Attorney's Office for the misdemeanor crime of what used to be known as patronizing a prostitute.

The hope is that the experience of changing into orange jail garb, being photographed and fingerprinted, and undergoing the jail's process of verifying names, addresses and phone numbers will serve as a future deterrent for men arrested during the sting, xxxx said.

Xxx said he had coached all of his UCs to be blatant in their offers of sexual services to the men who called to set up appointments or arrived at Euro Spa as "walk-ins. " The men were all informed of the prices up front: $100 for "an adult hand massage," with oral sex costing $140 and full sex, $200.

Dressed in a tight tank top, a short skirt and four-inch heels, the UC is a detective in one of SPD's other specialty units but regularly works with the vice unit during prostitution stings.

"She's three times better than anyone I've ever seen," said one of xxxx's vice detectives, praising his colleague's "silver tongue" in making men comfortable to agree to pay for sex.

"When I'm talking to them up front, I'm also doing this," the UC said, using her hand to mime a sex act, "so it's very obvious. ".

Comments highlights.

According to the Times article ". Two bus drivers, six architects, dozens of technology employees, construction workers, two surgeons, a dentist, a nurse, a journalist, a couple of attorneys, an executive with a sports-management company and an aspiring law-enforcement officer are among the customers who've been caught up in the police sting.

Only Heterosexual men were targeted. Can you imagine if it were a "Gay" massage parlor sting? The backlash would be huge.

Yup. Heteosexual men. No gay massage parlor stings in this city. Meanwhile I'm sure the Cap Hill bathhouses are busting at the seams.

What's the difference between a prostitute and an 18 year old girlfriend on an allowance?

You have a woman wanting to make a buck and a guy (John) willing to pay for the service. Sounds like some real criminal activity going on here! Meanwhile, I have someone break into my storage unit and steal $50 K worth of my stuff. I call the police thinking they would come out and investigate, but instead, they tell me to "just fill out a police report".

Think about how much it cost to operate that fake brothel for 10 days plus the set up and transportation / booking costs. Then think about how much it will cost to prosecute 200+ people. If it costs say $400 to do a 1 hour deposition with a the a clerk and someone to transcribe it then that in itself is over 80 grand and I think that's a low guess. After that you have the ones that can afford a good attorney. Many of these will get plead down to the point where they will only get probation, and at what cost to the City Attorney's budget fielding all of those calls, scheduling the meetings and taking depositions. I can guarantee that the money spent on defense attorneys will be way over 1 million and could approach 2 million. 2 Million would be an average of $9800 each or an average of 28 billable hours each at $350 per.

This was done for the publicity pure and simple, note they called the TV station to film it. Just a typical day in Seattle politics, invent a feel good story that accomplishes nothing and pat each other on the back.

So glad that they have all murders, rapes, break-ins and robberies solved, that they can waste citizen's money trying to repress the world's oldest profession. As long as it is between two consenting adults, there is no victim, hence no crime. Make it legal, like most of Europe.

DrPoon

07-18-16, 08:23

Jamesj

07-18-16, 11:09

So the Seattle LE actually gave massages to the hobbyists prior to the flip when traditionally the extras are discussed then? Wouldn't the City of Seattle be liable if they strained a tendon, pulled a muscle, or otherwise caused a bruise during the massage if the decoy was not a trained and state licensed massage therapist?The "LAW" is the biggest "LAW BREAKER" of anyone! To them, the " RULES " do NOT apply.

Think about how many times you've been cruising down the road at the posted speed limit and a police car goes speeding by WITHOUT emergency lights / siren.

Be safe-avoid the LAW ENFORCERS!

JAMESJ.

DrPoon

07-19-16, 04:33

Speeders lives matter! Repeal the criminal speeding 85 mph law!! Speeding is not truly dangerous if done with attentive driving and arguably Arizona's freeways are better designed to handle higher speeds plus it does not snow or ice in Maricopa County. So the main problem is high speeds use a ton of gas so the government needs to both repeal the criminal speeding law and subsidize gas by taking all the human trafficking money and providing free gas cards to hobbyists.

The "LAW" is the biggest "LAW BREAKER" of anyone! To them, the " RULES " do NOT apply.

Think about how many times you've been cruising down the road at the posted speed limit and a police car goes speeding by WITHOUT emergency lights / siren.

Be safe-avoid the LAW ENFORCERS!

JAMESJ.

DavePHX

07-19-16, 06:25

So the Seattle LE actually gave massages to the hobbyists prior to the flipNo massages are given. LE asks what they are looking for. "Would you like any extras?" before any massage and if customers says a sex act, its arrest time, no massage given.

DoToDont

07-19-16, 10:25

No massages are given. LE asks what they are looking for. "Would you like any extras?" before any massage and if customers says a sex act, its arrest time, no massage given.Its not easy giving an hour massage without training, your hands will hurt like hell. Would be interesting to know how they operated? Did they have any professional therapists working with them? I am sure not every person who walked in is dumb enough to discuss sex acts before the massage started, esp with a new girl.

DavePHX

07-19-16, 23:09

Its not easy giving an hour massage without training, your hands will hurt like hell. Would be interesting to know how they operated? Did they have any professional therapists working with them? I am sure not every person who walked in is dumb enough to discuss sex acts before the massage started, esp with a new girl.No massages were given. Yes, you would be amazed on how many dumb men discuss sex before the massage if they are asked "what are you looking for. " Few guys from here or other boards are getting busted since they are aware. However, most customers going to BP ads are not.

Don't know why hands would hurt unless doing very deep continuous work or of course lots of HJ's but LE never got that point or even massage. More of an issue especially for taller massage gals is how to hold your body so you won't get a hurting back. I have to be careful all the time since I am over 6-1 and when I do "reverse" massage in Canada, the tables are usually too low than ideal for me since most gals are shorter. If I stand wrong even for a 10-minute reverse, Esalen style I sometimes with a beautiful naked gal in front of me I forget how to bend properly and start feeling it. I haven't yet tried to say "pardon me while I adjust the table height!" And depending on the table is not that quick and easy!

LuvingFully

07-20-16, 12:59

Thought provoking comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxRdX7PBFMI.

DavePHX

07-29-16, 04:53

3 Felony plea deals. Sample Court Updates.

1) Early plea deal. Rose Garden.

7/25/2016: Two of the gals took quick plea deals from March 3, 2016 bust after the usual "John Roll" Also undercover's naked to their briefs had hidden microphone to record offer for sex in grand jury supervening indictment (57 pages). Asked how he could record the conversation with only his briefs on by the grand jury, they were told it was a police tactical secret.

Both workers took plea deals: Guilty to a felony of Attempted Operating or Maintaining a House of Prostitution.

In exchange charges of criminal enterprise and two counts of prostitution are dismissed.

Sentencing 8/24/2016.

Owner, manager, and one other gal haven't taken pleas. Trial scheduled for October but if don't take pleas will probably get continued well into 2017.

One of the workers that pled when detective asked about extra's said "maybe next time" and with another undercover insisted on no payment until the session was over. The John Roll was the key for probable cause.

Initially, 3 arrested in raid, then from the records taken in the raid arrested two more who had worked there. This is typical. In the Temple case many more women were arrested after the raid including at least one that hadn't worked there for a year and another than had worked only 3 months long before the raid. They find all prior in addition to current workers and include them in the grand jury indictment.

2) Husband and wife small agency team. Both consenting adults.

BP ad for "petite Thai Lady" which was wife who he had met in Thailand. Husband answered the phone, set up an appointment for 1 hour at $250.

As soon as undercover put the money on a table the bust team came in to arrest. He popped out of the closet? He said he didn't watch but wore headphones and readings a book. His wife admitted only that she massaged men, no sex. He also drove her to the hotel.

Had been married 3 years. His prior wife committed suicide in 2010 leaving him with two young children and had a drinking problem and had no other job to support the children.

After bust wife wanted to return to Thailand but had no money and man wanted her to stay and take care of young children.

Man pled guilty to "attempted pandering" a felony and sentenced to 18 months probation.

As part of plea charges of receiving earnings of a prostitute, induce to prostitution and transportation for purpose of prostitution were dismissed.

Appears she was not charged (considered a victim).

3) "R" "D" case consenting adults.

Scottsdale police called by the management of Motel 6 at 6848 Camelback Road since hotel staff reported various men going in and out of the room after man and wife with same last name checked in. Police found Diana in the room but she denied she was a prostitute.

PD found another adult women had been working out of the room who had come with the couple from California who said the couple placed ads for her on BP.

"R"pled guilty to a sex trafficking felony and sentenced to six years in prison. Charges of criminal enterprise, receiving earnings and induce to prostitution were dismissed as part of the plea deal.

"D" pled to facilitation to commit a criminal enterprise felony and sentenced to 1-year probation. Charges of illegal control of a criminal enterprise and induce to prostitution were dismissed in the agreement.

Other adult woman was not charged and considered a "victim".

Note: I only follow the felony cases not the many more misdemeanor prostitution cases with the mandatory jail time on first offense but can be as little as 15 days in jail. However, a prostitution record will lead to revocation of any massage license and probably most other professional licenses.

DavePHX

07-30-16, 07:16

BP sting. William B.

Texted to aTempe Police ad on BP for "Daisy" offering to share his 4-level home with her and then on phone call wanting to open a "escort house". Said he was a horny pro-photographer. She would pay him $50 per hour appointment and $25 for half hour as rent and she would keep rest. Age 54 no priors, no drugs or alcohol issues. Presentence report points out he "does not understand the gravity of his criminal actions".

Pled to attempted pandering felony and sentenced to 2 years probation.

Redbook sting (before it was busted) - Llanin, Mandy and Thomas.

LE responded to ad on myredbook meeting with Mandy and Cassandra (age 22). Cassandra agreed to sex with anal for $180. After bust said that Mandy looked after them, recruited workers, placed ads, gave rides and rented hotel rooms for them. She had met Mandy via an ex-boyfriend and estimates she had seen 120-140 customers in the last two weeks. But she was never given any of the money and was afraid of Mandy. Mandy was on probation for drugs and supplied the women with drugs.

Mandy took a plea for sex trafficking and sentenced to 5 years in prison with credit for 157 days time served since she could not make $2700 bail.

Llanin pled to felony transporting for prostitution and sentenced to 2 years probation. Charges of receive earnings from prostitution and induce to prostitute were dismissed as part of plea deal. In addition separately on drug charges but did not appear for ordered drug program. A bench warrant had previously been issued and she self surrendered. This is 3rd or 4th time went through this process. On 7/18/2016 appeared and remanded to jail for 2 days and agreeing to complete Path 3 Week 2 contract with drug program. I didn't go back far enough to see what her involvement was in prostitution case.

Thomas. Likewise pled guilty to felony transportation for prostitution. It seems he was just a driver and had 4 counts charged which were reduced to one in plea deal and sentenced to 2 years probation. Bail had been $20,000.

Cassandra not charged, considered the "victim" of Mandy's sex trafficking.

Tiffany "Changing Lives" too religious and Ronnie.

Tiffany's pandering felony sentencing set for 8/22/2016 but a mess to get to that point again. Originally charged with Ronnie for multiple counts of "inducing" women to lead a life of prostitution but appears all were consenting adults.

Indicted in 2014 but failed to meet court dates. It appears pled but sentencing deferred if completed religious program.

In 2015 arrest warrant issued. Attorney moved to quash since too scared to come to court. As a condition of her release before trial she was ordered to attend "Changing Lives Center" program (338 and 15th Ave) which she found too religious (Christian women's part of Phoenix Rescue Mission) and refused to attend at some point. Request to quash denied and bond set at $1000.

It looks like charges would be dropped if completed the 12-18 month Christian "rescue" program.

June 2016- arrested when she was on 27th Ave offering undercover oral sex for $50. Unable to post $1000 bail.

Ronnie in same indictment as Tiffany long ago pled to receiving earnings from prostitution and sentenced to 1. 5 years in prison. State agreed in plea not to file sex trafficking charges. The charge for "inducing to lead a life of prostitution" was dropped in the plea deal.

PD found two consenting adult "victims" at a hotel who told them Ronnie gave them his "pimp rules" and one of them had previously worked for him in CA and Texas, before coming to AZ. Had two prior drug convictions and admits to daily use of marijuana. Was on probation which was violated by this arrest. Has cosmetology license and worked for 5-years at a barber shop, but was fired due to this offense. The two workers were not able to be located after the arrest which is probably why could not charge with sex trafficking until they were found.

DavePHX

07-30-16, 08:07

7/18/2016 - express. Co. Uk. A STUDY has found that people living in the heart of a seaside resort's red light district actually feel safe and secure.

Living near brothels make neighbours feel safe because of their round the clock opening hours Researcher Dr Emily Cxxxxr said the findings "smashed" her preconceptions about massage parlours and how they affect people's lives.

She interviewed prostitutes, maids, residents, police and council workers in Blackpool, Lancashire, over an 18-month period.

The research found that brothels actually make people feel safe and secure because of their 24-hour opening hours.

"They evoke feelings of safety and security via their often 24-hour presence, they are distractions from the mundane hours of work, they contribute economically via the use of taxi services and other amenities for clients and sex workers, and finally, a role that is never reported, the sex workers are also neighbours and friends who 'put the bins out like everybody else'. ".

Dr xxxxx said media reporting on massage parlours often excludes their positive impact, and praised authorities for their tolerance.

"While I don't wish to discount reports by local people of nuisance behaviour associated with the sex industry in the media, or within community consultations by police and the local council, it is important to recognise that these are potentially not the only experiences," she said.

"Sex workers reported good relationships with the police in Blackpool, which is vital for their safety, and several residents also discussed good relationships with sex workers as friends and neighbours.

"I rarely see this presented in media reports, or in local authority discussions of sex work more broadly. I'm talking about beyond Blackpool here too.

"Finding ways to encourage more cohesion between different members of the community, including seeing sex workers as part of this, is important for everyone going forward.

"I think many local authorities could learn from Blackpool's more tolerant approach. ".

Reader St. Michael comments: I bet they won't see sex workers as "friends and neighbours" if they saw their husband leaving such an establishment, with a smile on his face.

DrPoon

07-31-16, 18:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27apfmh5Qw0

Always check a decoy under her top for tactical bra and microphones hidden there.

3 Felony plea deals. Sample Court Updates.

1) Early plea deal. Rose Garden.

7/25/2016: Two of the gals took quick plea deals from March 3, 2016 bust after the usual "John Roll" Also undercover's naked to their briefs had hidden microphone to record offer for sex in grand jury supervening indictment (57 pages). Asked how he could record the conversation with only his briefs on by the grand jury, they were told it was a police tactical secret.

Both workers took plea deals: Guilty to a felony of Attempted Operating or Maintaining a House of Prostitution.

In exchange charges of criminal enterprise and two counts of prostitution are dismissed.

Sentencing 8/24/2016.

Owner, manager, and one other gal haven't taken pleas. Trial scheduled for October but if don't take pleas will probably get continued well into 2017.

One of the workers that pled when detective asked about extra's said "maybe next time" and with another undercover insisted on no payment until the session was over. The John Roll was the key for probable cause.

Initially, 3 arrested in raid, then from the records taken in the raid arrested two more who had worked there. This is typical. In the Temple case many more women were arrested after the raid including at least one that hadn't worked there for a year and another than had worked only 3 months long before the raid. They find all prior in addition to current workers and include them in the grand jury indictment.

2) Husband and wife small agency team. Both consenting adults.

BP ad for "petite Thai Lady" which was wife who he had met in Thailand. Husband answered the phone, set up an appointment for 1 hour at $250.

As soon as undercover put the money on a table the bust team came in to arrest. He popped out of the closet? He said he didn't watch but wore headphones and readings a book. His wife admitted only that she massaged men, no sex. He also drove her to the hotel.

Had been married 3 years. His prior wife committed suicide in 2010 leaving him with two young children and had a drinking problem and had no other job to support the children.

After bust wife wanted to return to Thailand but had no money and man wanted her to stay and take care of young children.

Man pled guilty to "attempted pandering" a felony and sentenced to 18 months probation.

As part of plea charges of receiving earnings of a prostitute, induce to prostitution and transportation for purpose of prostitution were dismissed.

Appears she was not charged (considered a victim).

3) "R" "D" case consenting adults.

Scottsdale police called by the management of Motel 6 at 6848 Camelback Road since hotel staff reported various men going in and out of the room after man and wife with same last name checked in. Police found Diana in the room but she denied she was a prostitute.

PD found another adult women had been working out of the room who had come with the couple from California who said the couple placed ads for her on BP.

"R"pled guilty to a sex trafficking felony and sentenced to six years in prison. Charges of criminal enterprise, receiving earnings and induce to prostitution were dismissed as part of the plea deal.

"D" pled to facilitation to commit a criminal enterprise felony and sentenced to 1-year probation. Charges of illegal control of a criminal enterprise and induce to prostitution were dismissed in the agreement.

Other adult woman was not charged and considered a "victim".

Note: I only follow the felony cases not the many more misdemeanor prostitution cases with the mandatory jail time on first offense but can be as little as 15 days in jail. However, a prostitution record will lead to revocation of any massage license and probably most other professional licenses.

DavePHX

08-11-16, 23:57

PhxFantasy (PhxF) and Sultry Desires (SD) Agency information.

PhxF is closed. SD is reopening.

From a long-time well known reliable source whose information has been accurate and confirmed for more than a decade.

A women that goes by Bonnie are. Age 26 from Goodyear was arrested for murder. This may have been her escort name and isn't her real name.

She had been at the PhxF locations and is alleged to have murdered a man in May. She claims the shooting was self-defense.

She was arrested at the SD incall parking lot about August 3rd. The murder (shooting) was on the 21st floor of the Summit Copper Square complex (not sure if this is PhxF location as report says she had been observed at the PhxF location (I don't know where it is). Azfamily however reports the murder location was her apartment so the location may be different then the report of her being observed at a PhxF location.

SD was going to close for safety but has now decided not to close since "Bonnie" has now been arrested and charged with first-degree murder.

ABC15 reader comments suggest she was an escort, someone didn't get a happy ending and maybe didn't get paid. The escort relationship however is not confirmed other than being observed at PhxF.

I will be checking the probable cause statement in the indictment when available and see if it mentions any escort / massage relationship.

12 News, ABC 15, AZ Central and others reported her arrest on August 3rd. She was arraigned in Superior Court on 8/9/2016 and has initial pre-trial on 9/22 and then 10/24/2016.

Her bond is set for $1 million and has her own private attorney but can't call him since you can not call a cell phone from jail. She will get a visitor to contact her attorney. Her bail hearing video is on azcentral.

Danimal Forth

08-12-16, 01:25

DontKnowMe19

08-12-16, 01:53

DrPoon

08-12-16, 03:17

The judge is retarded. She needs to appoint the public defender who can then call the other private defense attorney. Maricopa County judges are terrible. But anyway so the indictment is for first degree murder the A (1) prong indicating premeditation. So she went to the hobbyists house with the premeditated intent to commit a homicide. That is definitely deserving of a bad review.

DrPoon

08-12-16, 04:24

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DavePHX

08-12-16, 08:59

She was with agency. B* is not real name. Not IC location.Yes real name is initials H. P.

JohnSmit

08-13-16, 19:22

Yes real name is initials H. P.So it looks like your thread was removed on the other site. What you think happens from here on out for SD and their clients Dave?

DontKnowMe19

08-13-16, 22:51

So it looks like your thread was removed on the other site. What you think happens from here on out for SD and their clients Dave?It all depends if they charge her with the escorting charges or not. If it does stick, I think that SD will close up shop. Than that will be it for agencies for now in the Valley. Plus the fact that the Studio is still in court and other MP too. So prepare for there to be a drought of talent from here on out. Be safe.

DavePHX

08-14-16, 00:39

What you think happens from here on out for SD and their clients Dave?I suspect both PhxF and SD owners will be indicted, but agency investigations are long. Anyone they find ever working for them could be indicted related to a criminal enterprise and face years in prison if don't take a felony plea with probation as in the many other cases. Customers have virtually no risk and in the many MP and escort cases never go after clients. Other than in old DD case where client list with names was made public since kept such good records. However, no clients charged other than those in the group that tested them out etc. But that was their inner group. Customers would only face misdemeanors with only a one-year statute of limitation vs six year felony time limit for owners and gals working for a "criminal enterprise. ".

Since both agencies were actively discussed on "that other board", especially likely to be ongoing investigation as their reviews I have often seen in probably cause statements in indictments. Just being closed doesn't eliminate the risk of the owners and workers.

I also found a cache file for PhxF and "Bonnie" is also listed there as an escort (not real name).

DavePHX

08-14-16, 16:50

More Than 1,300 Prostitution Clients Arrests in Latest 'National Johns Suppression Initiative'.

Aug. 12,2016 Reason Foundation.

Yet another nationwide "sex trafficking sting" where the main targets of police attention are men who solicit sex from consenting, adult women. The sting, part of a bi-annual "National Johns Suppression Initiative," ran from July 1 to August 7 and netted 1,358 arrests for solicitation of prostitution, in 18 states. It's the highest number of "john" arrests the operation has yielded yet.

A February 2016 version of the operation led to just 552 solicitation arrests, and a September 2015 sting to 961 solicitation arrests. The National Johns Suppression Initiative was launched in 2011 by Cook County Sheriff Tom xxxx, one of the country's leading crusaders for the eradication of prostitution. This year, Cook County arrested 230 people total, including one 15-year-old boy who was seeking to pay for sex.

In total, thirty-eight agencies participated, issuing more than $1 million in fines during the operation and impounding or seizing 421 vehicles. New York City and Philadelphia police departments joined in the Johns Suppression Initative for the first time this summer.

Seattle had the second-highest number of arrests, 204, followed by Columbus, Ohio (167), Harris County, Texas (143), Houston (82), the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations (74), Portland, Oregon (63), Boston (57), and McLennan County, Texas (55). Agencies not listed in these top-tier sex thwartersincluding those in or around Phoenix, San Diego, Denver, New York City, Las Vegas, Reno, Pittsburgh, and Philadelphiaarrested a combined total of around 250 sex solicitors.

So far, no word on how many sex workers were arrested, though that's usually part and parcel for these john stings. Cook County also claims that the operation captured 71 sex traffickers, recovered 52 adult trafficking victims, and rescued 32 juvenile victims of sex trafficking. In years past, however, such claims have been shaky, with some areas counting any sex worker they encounter as a victim and some calling anyone caught working with a sex worker a "sex trafficker. ".

JohnSmit

08-14-16, 21:00

Looks like SD has updated us:

"We are still in business. Newsletter will be coming out soon to all the screened and verified Members. I'm working on building a membership only site with a login / password like the good old days back when it was called UTR. Until then, feel free to email us or text me for any future appointments. Still operating as usual. And to clarify, All the gossip on here regarding a certain provider that has been incarcerated has nothing to do with SD or its clients / providers. And she sure as hell didn't get detained anywhere near us. That is all made up gossip and definitely not supported by facts. She was up on the site for one day and didn't even have time to see anyone and I actually didn't even have the pleasure of meeting her yet. I merely was adding the PhX fantasy gals to see which ones were worth having stick around. She obviously was not.

MM".

DavePHX

08-14-16, 22:15

The president's favorite brothel: Lyndon xxxxxx would 'relieve stress' by secretly visiting a prostitute named Penny on Texas ranches. And introduce her as a 'family friend'.

The Texas brothel would send girls to ranches that LBJ was staying at. The ranch opened some time in the 1800's and closed in 1973. It inspired Broadway show and film 'The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas'.

DAILYMAIL.COM 14 August 2016 - President Lyndon xxxxx would 'relieve the stress' of his job by sleeping with prostitutes. Including one favorite whom he would introduce as a 'family friend' - it has emerged.

In the mid-1960's xxxxxxxx a Texan, would have girls from the infamous 'Chicken Ranch' brothel brought over to him to relieve 'an extremely stressful time', the NY Post reported.

'The guy had so much on his mind and on his plate,' said 'Penny,' one of xxxxx's favorites. 'He just needed to break away from everything.

The revelations come from 'Inside the Texas Chicken Ranch: The Definitive Account of The Best Little Whorehouse' by Jayme xxxx, available now.

Edna xx, the gun-toting, tough-talking madam who ran the chicken house, was first contacted about LBx by a regular customer who had become one of the President's aides.

The aide asked if they had a discreet car. No convertibles! - because 'someone's wanting to come out there, but they don't want to go in their own car. '.

In the end, however, xxxxxx. Who was married at the time. Decided to bring the girls to him.

Penny, a worker at The Chicken Ranch in La Grange from 1966-1969, said that she was approached by a local sheriff who said the President was in town. 'Would you like to meet him?' the cop asked. 'He likes brunettes. '.

Penny, who had a 'clean-cut look' according to xxx would be spirited away to a series of ranches between Austin and La Grange.

There she would be introduced as a friend of xxxxxxx's family until the pair could find somewhere more secluded. She visited him on as many as eight occasions.

The Chicken Ranch price for the 'Aggie Special' - an unlimited period of time with one of the girls. Was just $8 for almost 100 years, going up to $20 in 1970.

Revelations: xxxxxx's habits were revealed in 'Inside the Texas Chicken Ranch,' a history of the infamous brothel by Jayme Lynn xxxxxx.

The origins of the Chicken Ranch. And its name. Are unknown, but plenty of stories swirl about the venue, which is said to have opened in the 1840's.

According to one story, a covered wagon train broke down in La Grange, and the girls on the train sold their bodies to earn money. Eventually setting up a permanent base.

As for the name, that either comes from one of the madams putting chickens outside to provide a cover story for law enforcement, or a period in the Great Depression when it accepted chickens as payment.

The Ranch closed on July 31,1973, at the demand of the governor. And despite protests from locals.

Its frontage was used briefly for a Hooters-style restaurant in Las Vegas, and its story was turned into 'The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas', a Broadway musical that became the 1982 Dolly Parton film.

Xxxxxxxxxx, the Ranch's former madam, was an adviser and silent cast member on the show. She died in 2011.

Dave notes that more than 10 years ago a reliable person talked about a former Arizona Governor who used a Phoenix escort agency as well as officers of Phoenix Police Internal Affairs. I do not know which Governor or any other details.

DrPoon

08-14-16, 23:59

DavePHX

08-16-16, 08:39

I'm guessing Governor Babbitt? Years and years ago I met a younger girl who claimed to be related to him when he was the Secretary of the Interior. Possibly a daughter of a cousin or related something along that line. So based upon her being a freak I would just guess that it must have been Governor Babbitt.My guess is that Babbitt was two early and that it as more likely Mecham or most likely Symington. There were some escort that did a TV show on the web ineractive witih callers as I recall. Was near or outskirts of downtown Phoenix. I was invited with some others too see the studio set up, but don't know what year it would have been. I think Symington was Gov but could have been an earlier governor. The escort told us some details but would not name who he was.

DavePHX

08-16-16, 08:45

She was up on the site for one day and didn't even have time to see anyone and I actually didn't even have the pleasure of meeting her yet. I merely was adding the PhX fantasy gals to see which ones were worth having stick around. She obviously was not.
It appears she may have been listed with picture just before the site went down since it was easy to find her name and picture in the gals section on your website using Google cache.

DavePHX

08-16-16, 08:53

Sunset Strip as most know here was a upcharge place that probably few of us here would have visited on University.

IN July search warrants for probable cause for a criminal case for the property, owners car and six females. No Direct complaint or indictment yet but this may simply mean they haven't yet found to arrest since no info is available on case until arrested and then charges shown and start the proceedings. Owner had an assaut felony conviction from 2004. Am following the case.

DavePHX

08-17-16, 03:32

How dumb can people be? Looks like a pimp or pipette ad on backpage which also could be sex trafficking.

Phoenix escorts.

Ad title: Interested in making 3500 a week!? I need 6 young energetic ladies between the ages of 18-24 - 28.

We have flexible scheduling, professional management, marketing, and a clean safe work environment. Our clients are typically upscale gentlemen and are always pre-screened before you meet them. Here is what we provide. Transportation, Aggressive Marketing, Professional Photography, Training.

If you are interested and able to travel (18-24) in this opportunity and want more info on starting immediately send at least 3 full body photos, name, age, and cell phone number to: xxx.

Movie included showing counting lots of money!

DavePHX

08-19-16, 16:59

Fake Cop Reported 8/19/2016.

From Phoenix well known long-time companion related to women she works with who is new.

Re: black man posing as a police officer telling the girls they have to work for him and his partner or they were going to arrest him.

"In-call this morning and the gentleman who showed up with a black man and he had a bag in his pocket tried to make her do cocaine and she refused. He didn't grab her phone put his number in calling himself po po. He then roughed hurry up and told her that he was an undercover officer for the for Phoenix Police Department the Phoenix Police Department and there was a network of undercover officers that find it more lucrative to have the girls work for them and to arrest them and if he would take care of her if she took care of him.

"He also told her that he had taped the whole conversation because he had tried to make her do the drugs and she refused until he ruffed her. He said his partner without the car and she had two choices one work with them become one part of his team (or) go to jail she was very very scared I had come down to the room and knocked on the door and she was too scared to tell me what was going on that he was still in here.

"That was her first client of the day and she has been struggling ever since. I've had a couple of people check on this and apparently this guy has been doing this for a while and he gets the new girls are just getting posted Young and scares the hell out of them needless to say the girl had sex with him to keep from going to jail.

"The people I talk to have told me that he has a badge he's black tall muscular and has a partner he drives different cars and the story stays about the same apparently he gets up mostly girls on the street because that's how I found out the information. He's calling her Non-Stop and scaring her I wanted to point them out because as soon as she does I will immediately call the police and report him as impersonating an officer and if anybody else knows any of these stories and can point him out turn him in.

"His number is (602) xxx-2934" (Dave omitted complete phone but enough to I'd).

(This time it was at a Studio 6 formerly LaQuinta. But targeted more at ads than specific hotels it seems.).

Dangerous Couple From Phoenix Companion:

From about 11 days ago but she just sent me more contact info to pass on to make more useful.

"WEIRD CREEPY GUY AND WOMAN POSSIBLE DANGEROUS people POSSIBLE LE OFFICIALS.

"I went for an outcall today 8/8/16 in Scottsdale at a private residence I did all the necessary screening as I was pulling up to his house a car with a woman driving it left from the garage. I arrived at the private residence an encountered the WEIRDEST MAN! HE'S A BAD GUY! After I arrived I informed him of my arrival and I heard him at the door long story short he didn't answer the phone so I rang the bell a man around 6 ft 200+ lbs black hair glasses white 30-40 answers the door asks several odd questions and was acting very strange he pretended as if he didn't know why I was there I left immediately after I left he sends multiple angry / violent messages for absolutely no reason and the female accomplice is following me.

"I'd suggest everyone be careful because I'm sure this is the beginning of something ugly. I've never met the man before in my life so idk why he would be so angry. BEWARE! The man has a goldish orange jeep 4 door and a black Mitsubishi suv the man has a female accomplice that follows your car.

"I believe this man and woman could be very dangerous she will follow your car and he will waste your time. Let's hope that's all there up to. ".

Contact info. Outcall was home on Emile Zona Ave in Scottsdale. Phone ends in 9713.

DrPoon

08-20-16, 08:47

Pretty good movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ_dn3swCVU

Jamesj

08-20-16, 18:42

Met her yesterday, very cute, great BJ and tight snatch.

Full of drama and completely bat shit crazy!

Will not repeat.

PM for more info.

JAMESJ.

DontKnowMe19

08-25-16, 01:11

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/chandler/pd-man-accused-of-running-house-of-prostitution-out-of-his-chandler-home

Well, another one bites the dust.

BeenTher

08-25-16, 12:59

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/chandler/pd-man-accused-of-running-house-of-prostitution-out-of-his-chandler-home

Well, another one bites the dust.In this case it was male prostitution though. So at least LE is reaching out to the gay community. News15 does need to look at the education of it's reporters though. Using masseuse in reference instead of masseur is pretty amateur.

DavePHX

09-01-16, 07:01

NOTE: This is an example why no one should offer or ask for sex for money. All of these cases would be legal and no issue in most of the world except the USA.

Club Lace from 2014 raid.

Lola – on 8/15/2016 sentenced under plea for solicitation to commit money laundering 2nd degree as reported earlier and 3 years' probation. Then violated drug court contract and now sentenced to one day in prison and to continue Path 3, week 6 of drug court contract.

Trial began for Stephen, Cary, Adam and Robert on 8/11.

Various days with jury selection needed to call 90 more potential jurors, and then 60 more as many had excuses not to serve or were individually challenged by either the State or Defense.

A jury of 16 seated Day 4 and State began its case. Many exhibits entered, and the Defense objected to some and had bench discussion with a ruling by the judge.

Day 5 had a big fight when State wanted to provide notebooks to the jury with daily transcripts of the trial on audio CDs. The defense objected but overruled by Judge.

Each day usual trial stuff with States witnesses testifying and exhibits entered, and defense objections heard and ruled on. Jurors asked questions via judge of some witnesses.

Have read filed entries through Day 8 on 8/24/2016 – the last filed info as of 8/31.

Self Serve Porn Studio – Raid of 2013 and more workers arrested in January 2014.

Previously reported 15 workers pled guilty to a felony for probation. William owner fighting on from jail unable to raise $100 k bond.

Updates since my last report:

6/20/2016: Long pro per motion for settlement conference overview of facts and case law to support his "Self Serve Porn Studio". In my non-lawyer view a good motion but as I have always thought lacked a legitimate legal defense (don't think he has one but would love to be wrong).

6/27/2016: Attorney motions to withdraw as counsel due to an ethical conflict. I lost count of all the lawyers that have come and gone assigned by the Office of Public Defense (separate from Public Defenders office).

7/7/2016 New lawyer also wanted to withdraw but then didn't but seems replaced by another lawyer are. P.

Latest attorney has some great reviews brief highlights:

"Mr. Pxxx really helped me with my case. When I thought all was lost, he came through. I started out with a public defender and all that person wanted was for me to sign a plea to go to prison. I doubt that the PD even knew what my case was about. I hired Mr. Pxxxx, and he went right to work. He listened to me and really showed an interest in my case, not like the PD. He always answered my calls and my questions. I never felt like I was bothering him because he always made me feel like my case was important because it was to me". Much more.

Dave notes this may have been when paid as a private attorney, not by the State via the Office of Public Defense which is private attorneys paid fees (but cheap) by State and not Public Defense Office. I have reviewed his extensive background on his website, a radio interview video, etc. If this case goes to trial, I might be interested in seeing him in action.

8/16/2016: Pro Per motion from jail to include as an expert witness the assistant to current computer forensic guy as at $65/ hr vs. $180/ hr. Office of Public Defense (taxpayers) has approved $zillions for investigators and whatever he has requested over the years.

8/18/2016: Pro Per Motion to continue for 60 days since the prior attorney was on the case for 1. 5 years and now has new one. Needs time to file a 15.2 disclosure and to gather exculpatory internet data.

8/26/2016: Latest attorney files "First Notice of Defenses, Witnesses & Exhibits".

NEXT: 9/6/2016 final pretrial with trial 9/12 but these dates often get continued, and my bet is no trial will actually begin this year.

Rose Garden Health case moving very fast with most taking pleas Raid of late 2015.

All names mention are first, not any last names as always.

Natalia "Connie" From plea sentenced 8/9/2016 for Attempt to maintain a house of prostitution felony sentenced to 2 years' probation. Usual probation conditions including not to possess or consume any substance containing alcohol in addition to drugs and other usual conditions.

Presentence report: She claims no idea what was going on in place since other workers speak a different language. (Caught offering oral sex and intercourse to undercover for $150). Is an LMT so massage board notified.

Lots of letter of support. No drug history. Completed Nursing School in Russia. Divorced has a boyfriend of 2-years and is caregiving for elderly parents including a mother with breast cancer. No financial support and first criminal conviction. Age 52, ICE reports she is a naturalized USA Citizen.

Her son wrote a long letter about hardships in Russia, coming to Phoenix in 1994, how worked so hard overcoming many obstacles he discussed in detail, to raise him to live the American Dream.

Letter to judge from parents aged 80 and 79 how such a wonderful daughter. "Your Honor, please be kind and merciful to our daughter. ".

8/24/2016 Motion to allow travel to Israel for needed dental surgery.

Young 8/24/2016: Modification of sentence of 2 years' probation for felony attempt to maintain house of prostitution plea allowing to be on probation in Nevada under the Interstate Compact.

Grace 8/24/2016: Same plea as above with 2 years probation. Did not participate in a presentence interview on the advice of counsel. The report details the case with the undercover. Age 54. ICE shows naturalized USA Citizen. The report recommended 3 years probation but judge sentenced to 2.

Sinae 8/24/2016: With Korean interpreter given Donald Advisement of potential prison terms if doesn't take the plea offered. She rejects the plea. Trial set 10/17/2016 and final trial management 10/10.

Hanna 8/24/2016: Trial dates set same as for Sinae but often get continued.

Danimal Forth

09-01-16, 11:59

Rose Garden Health case moving very fast with most taking pleas Raid of late 2015.You had me poking around a little bit to refresh my memory. One of the news stories had this little tidbit and I can't remember if it was ever mentioned. Reading the rest of the story right it sounds like this supposedly happened during the investigation and prior to the bust. It wasn't even the news coverage that prompted the presumed confessions.

Customers also contacted the department to inform them that they had visited the location to engage in sexual acts with the women.
Phoenix Police was the referenced "department". I know those reports don't matter in court unless they actually get on the stand and testify. Stupid men trying to placate angry wives?

Anyway, why are most of these ladies just getting probation?

DrPoon

09-01-16, 14:16

These criminal enterprises could be caused by, well, I don't know, could it be. Satan?!

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/church-chat-church-lady-spanks-rob-lowe/n9894

NOTE: This is an example why no one should offer or ask for sex for money. All of these cases would be legal and no issue in most of the world except the USA.

Club Lace from 2014 raid.

Lola on 8/15/2016 sentenced under plea for solicitation to commit money laundering 2nd degree as reported earlier and 3 years' probation. Then violated drug court contract and now sentenced to one day in prison and to continue Path 3, week 6 of drug court contract.

Trial began for Stephen, Cary, Adam and Robert on 8/11.

Various days with jury selection needed to call 90 more potential jurors, and then 60 more as many had excuses not to serve or were individually challenged by either the State or Defense.

A jury of 16 seated Day 4 and State began its case. Many exhibits entered, and the Defense objected to some and had bench discussion with a ruling by the judge.

Day 5 had a big fight when State wanted to provide notebooks to the jury with daily transcripts of the trial on audio CDs. The defense objected but overruled by Judge.

Each day usual trial stuff with States witnesses testifying and exhibits entered, and defense objections heard and ruled on. Jurors asked questions via judge of some witnesses.

Have read filed entries through Day 8 on 8/24/2016 the last filed info as of 8/31.

Self Serve Porn Studio Raid of 2013 and more workers arrested in January 2014.

Previously reported 15 workers pled guilty to a felony for probation. William owner fighting on from jail unable to raise $100 k bond.

Updates since my last report:

6/20/2016: Long pro per motion for settlement conference overview of facts and case law to support his "Self Serve Porn Studio". In my non-lawyer view a good motion but as I have always thought lacked a legitimate legal defense (don't think he has one but would love to be wrong).

6/27/2016: Attorney motions to withdraw as counsel due to an ethical conflict. I lost count of all the lawyers that have come and gone assigned by the Office of Public Defense (separate from Public Defenders office).

7/7/2016 New lawyer also wanted to withdraw but then didn't but seems replaced by another lawyer are. P.

Latest attorney has some great reviews brief highlights:

"Mr. Pxxx really helped me with my case. When I thought all was lost, he came through. I started out with a public defender and all that person wanted was for me to sign a plea to go to prison. I doubt that the PD even knew what my case was about. I hired Mr. Pxxxx, and he went right to work. He listened to me and really showed an interest in my case, not like the PD. He always answered my calls and my questions. I never felt like I was bothering him because he always made me feel like my case was important because it was to me". Much more.

Dave notes this may have been when paid as a private attorney, not by the State via the Office of Public Defense which is private attorneys paid fees (but cheap) by State and not Public Defense Office. I have reviewed his extensive background on his website, a radio interview video, etc. If this case goes to trial, I might be interested in seeing him in action.

8/16/2016: Pro Per motion from jail to include as an expert witness the assistant to current computer forensic guy as at $65/ hr vs. $180/ hr. Office of Public Defense (taxpayers) has approved $zillions for investigators and whatever he has requested over the years.

8/18/2016: Pro Per Motion to continue for 60 days since the prior attorney was on the case for 1. 5 years and now has new one. Needs time to file a 15.2 disclosure and to gather exculpatory internet data.

8/26/2016: Latest attorney files "First Notice of Defenses, Witnesses & Exhibits".

NEXT: 9/6/2016 final pretrial with trial 9/12 but these dates often get continued, and my bet is no trial will actually begin this year.

Rose Garden Health case moving very fast with most taking pleas Raid of late 2015.

All names mention are first, not any last names as always.

Natalia "Connie" From plea sentenced 8/9/2016 for Attempt to maintain a house of prostitution felony sentenced to 2 years' probation. Usual probation conditions including not to possess or consume any substance containing alcohol in addition to drugs and other usual conditions.

Presentence report: She claims no idea what was going on in place since other workers speak a different language. (Caught offering oral sex and intercourse to undercover for $150). Is an LMT so massage board notified.

Lots of letter of support. No drug history. Completed Nursing School in Russia. Divorced has a boyfriend of 2-years and is caregiving for elderly parents including a mother with breast cancer. No financial support and first criminal conviction. Age 52, ICE reports she is a naturalized USA Citizen.

Her son wrote a long letter about hardships in Russia, coming to Phoenix in 1994, how worked so hard overcoming many obstacles he discussed in detail, to raise him to live the American Dream.

Letter to judge from parents aged 80 and 79 how such a wonderful daughter. "Your Honor, please be kind and merciful to our daughter. ".

8/24/2016 Motion to allow travel to Israel for needed dental surgery.

Young 8/24/2016: Modification of sentence of 2 years' probation for felony attempt to maintain house of prostitution plea allowing to be on probation in Nevada under the Interstate Compact.

Grace 8/24/2016: Same plea as above with 2 years probation. Did not participate in a presentence interview on the advice of counsel. The report details the case with the undercover. Age 54. ICE shows naturalized USA Citizen. The report recommended 3 years probation but judge sentenced to 2.

Sinae 8/24/2016: With Korean interpreter given Donald Advisement of potential prison terms if doesn't take the plea offered. She rejects the plea. Trial set 10/17/2016 and final trial management 10/10.

Hanna 8/24/2016: Trial dates set same as for Sinae but often get continued.

DavePHX

09-02-16, 08:41

Anyway, why are most of these ladies just getting probation?If the felony is a first felony offense it is probation eligible when take a plea. Otherwise if found guilty at trial the presumptive term is 6-years in prison for most of the charges typical in these busts. Very few pleas I see require prison time unless other factors involved. But if go to trial and lose. The Club Lacy and Studio cases for example if found guilty could get 10-25 years in prison. All for what is legal in most of the world.

The "Donald Advisements" by judge inform the defendant of the potential prison terms if don't take a plea. Over 90% take pleas instead of risking trial. Almost all the workers at the various busted MP, agencies, "brothels", get 6-12 months probation of take a plea which almost all do.

However, they have a felony criminal record. Even if an "undesignated felony" which later gets reduced or dismissed after probation can still be found in public records. A big legal question is if seek regular employment if they have ever been convicted of a felony. The correct answer seems to have to be yes, even if undesignated and later reduced after probation.

Unlike most of the world, prostitution is taken as a very serious crime in most of the USA, and especially Phoenix with all the grant money since everyone is a "victim" since no women would choose to be a prostitute unless forced or was a "victim". That was the testimony of one of the long-term vice officers on the stand in the Temple case who testified with his zillions of arrests over something like 10-years he has never met any that were not victims. That is the brain washed idiocy of the thinking often based on the discredited research of Farley and her ilk (her studies totally rejected in her friend of the court brief in the Canada case that said the prostitution laws violated the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Outcall has always been legal, now incall is also. Judge decided based on harm reduction with the prostitution laws the cause of potential harm since much more dangerous for everyone when illegal).

DavePHX

09-03-16, 08:29

WikiLeaks and P411?

There is a post on a national blacklist for escorts with the heading:

"08/28/16, Phoenix, WikiLeaks to publish all P411 personal info, CAUTION".

I am not a member (not an escort) and do not have access to the full post. Wonder if anyone else has info if this is legitimate or not?

Raxbal

09-05-16, 15:07

Hi Every one.

Any agency open besides sdaz? Phx fan closed. I want to see Kaylee Clarkson or Blair Macintosh any info on them please share.

Thanks in advance.

DontKnowMe19

09-05-16, 16:37

Hi Every one.

Any agency open besides sdaz? Phx fan closed. I want to see Kaylee Clarkson or Blair Macintosh any info on them please share.

Thanks in advance.I would doubt it highly. As for the ladies, if they didn't go to SDAZ, then I'd say that the are UTR or left the area.

DavePHX

09-15-16, 08:09

Bail is low, although looks like still at Estrella jail.

Owner initial bail $3000.

The workers only $50 - never heard of bail this low but good.

Some have prostitution charges but that is minor compared to the felony criminal enterprise and related counts.

Initial Court date is 9/21.

Just another example of why you should not ever offer or seek sex for money. Appears all consenting adults and would be legal in most of the world except the USA.

Bubba1979

09-15-16, 15:49

DavePHX

09-15-16, 22:15

See MP section for latest update of what I posted here since didn't know it was a MP initially.

DoToDont

09-16-16, 16:01

This is good news, wish I was so strong. For me, porn was not a problem. Did not care about that fake shit. Meeting escorts is my addiction and also ended up entering the BBFS territory. Normal CFS will not do it for me. Also, after having sex with hundreds of woman, having normal sex with civvie was nearly impossible. Esp if getting in a relationship. After a couple of times I get bored and need to see someone new.

Had a STD scare and that opened up my eyes and used various resources including your yourbrainonporn, dailystrength etc. To weed away from dangerous behavior. Did not see any escorts for 6 months or so. Now I have two sugar babies and always covered sex. I rarely see escorts and also seeing only quality providers. I am planning to stick to sugar babes as much as possible and eventually and hopefully get into a meaningful relationship that I have not had for 10 years now.

Wish you the best and hope you find whatever you are looking for.

Best,

DTD.

So. This might be a bit on the serious side, but wanted to post this to maybe help others like me. Long story short, Ol Bubba was suffering the effects of ED. It got to the point where even with large amounts of Blues or Yellows I would still go soft quite quickly in most instances. I had tried all kinds of nutritional supplements and testosterone to no avail. Quite depressing actually. Started avoiding AMPs because little Bubba was losing interest and would not salute the "Chinese" Flag.

Anyway. I happened upon this site. Yourbrainonporn.com. And I couldn't believe my eyes. It was everything that had happened to me. I was chasing more and more bizarre porn and at the end nothing normal would do it for me. The more I read the more I realized that my ED was due exclusively to porn. I had "shorted" out my dopamine receptors. Nothing would excite me anymore.

Long story short I am on like day 30 without porn and it is like a fog has cleared. I never realized how much time I was devoting to it daily. Damn.

Most reboots like I'm doing take up to 100 days depending on your age. For me it already kicking in big time. I noticed in the mornings the Old wood is coming back and now I am having random erections out of the blue. This was impossible literally 30 days ago.

I notice I have become more aggressive with every day women as well. Weird.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. If I can help even one guy on here with this info then I will be pleased. I will update my progress.

To be sure it is tough. I even avoid pictures of girls in bikinis at this point. Have not surfed Craigslist or Backpage for the same reason.

Good Luck! Ol Bubba.

Stomp2

09-17-16, 10:37

So. This might be a bit on the serious side, but wanted to post this to maybe help others like me. Long story short, Ol Bubba was suffering the effects of ED. It got to the point where even with large amounts of Blues or Yellows I would still go soft quite quickly in most instances. I had tried all kinds of nutritional supplements and testosterone to no avail. Quite depressing actually. Started avoiding AMPs because little Bubba was losing interest and would not salute the "Chinese" Flag.

Anyway. I happened upon this site. Yourbrainonporn.com. And I couldn't believe my eyes. It was everything that had happened to me. I was chasing more and more bizarre porn and at the end nothing normal would do it for me. The more I read the more I realized that my ED was due exclusively to porn. I had "shorted" out my dopamine receptors. Nothing would excite me anymore.

Long story short I am on like day 30 without porn and it is like a fog has cleared. I never realized how much time I was devoting to it daily. Damn.

Most reboots like I'm doing take up to 100 days depending on your age. For me it already kicking in big time. I noticed in the mornings the Old wood is coming back and now I am having random erections out of the blue. This was impossible literally 30 days ago.

I notice I have become more aggressive with every day women as well. Weird.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. If I can help even one guy on here with this info then I will be pleased. I will update my progress.

To be sure it is tough. I even avoid pictures of girls in bikinis at this point. Have not surfed Craigslist or Backpage for the same reason.

Good Luck! Ol Bubba.Good to hear Bubba that you are able to keep "up" now! I had the problem sometime ago. I had trouble performing! There were times when I was with someone getting ready to do the deed, junior would not get out of bed! There were times when he did rise to the occasion but soon he would soon start dosing off! Even if the provider was smoking hot or even was performing like a porn star! I figured age was getting the best of me! Maybe it was time for me to start popping the blue pill! But I did not want to give in to that quite yet! My problem was not porn. I did watch it at times when I need to desperately toss off! I did some research and came across the male enhancement and low T supplements! Read about the different products they had to offer. Decided to to give them a try even though they had mixed reviews whether they worked or not. One that seem promising to me was Argimax. So I picked some up at GNC and gave it a try! After a few weeks I started waking up in the morning with a woody which had not happen for sometime now! I decided to get back in the game and long story short I now have no problem performing! Junior and I are very happy now! My problem was different and did find something that did help out! Maybe this will also help someone out there too!

DavePHX

09-19-16, 05:04

Club Lace trial update.

Last report was through Trial day 8 on 8/24/2016. Now up to trial day 16 on 9/12/2016 the latest court minute entry filing.

Follows is a brief overview of Days 9-16 (latest first):

Along with owner, the trial is concurrent for Adam, Cary and Robert. Usual arguments over exhibits, testimony by lead detective in case (well known woman in these cases), and State is still doing its case. Tiphany appeared with her public defender's office attorney for the State after a material witness arrest warrant was issued. Lots of juror questions were submitted and answered.

I also recognize other witnesses for the State as those that worked the Studio and took felony plea deals. Including gal that got 3 years' probation.

Lots of other officers and case agents testified for the State. Court overruled a defense objection that statements of "Selena" in exhibit 275 was admissible.

Defense objects to a string of exhibits and is overruled by the Court (allowing the State to introduce).

Ledgers are allowed as evidence with certain redaction (words covered with tape). This seems to apply to exhibits 264 through 272 for the State.

On Day 9 Lots of sealed exhibits opened including 148.001 through 148.038 (lots of sub exhibits to each main exhibit). And others.

This is just one of the many felony cases I am following. All related to consenting adults showing how serious the crime of sex for money is in the USA Vs most of the more "free" world to have adult pleasures. As always I warn never advertise or offer sex acts for a fee, that is a serious crime in Arizona. A felony if you work together with another, have a driver, phone helper etc.

Our tax dollars at work protecting citizens from safer consenting adult pleasure sharing.

DavePHX

09-24-16, 05:55

Police enjoy sexworkers. What a surprise.

Teen in Police Sex Scandal Sues for $66 million.

The California teenage prostitute who alledgedly traded sex with Oakland cops for protection claimed police treated her as a sex slave.

Celeste G. A pseudonym used by the 19-year-old, said she slept with dozens of Oakland officers when she was just 17 years old and working as a prostitute — because they gave her tips on how to avoid raids.

Seven police officers face criminal charges. An investigation was launched after one of the officers accused of sleeping with an underage G. Committed suicide last September (and left a note).

The $66 million suit claimed the city and the police department were negligent, and many officers turned a blind eye to the sex scandal.

The case has expanded to several Bay Area departments including San Francisco, and charges were filed against officers from Oakland, Livermore and Contra Costa County.

One officer allegedly picked up the teen on two occasions, took her to dinner and then had sex with her in his car. He once told her, "just to be clear, I'm not paying you but I will buy you dinner," court documents said.

More media reports and video at.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teen-center-california-police-sex-scandal-sues-city-article-1.2796026?utm_content=buffera6a46&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

DavePHX

09-25-16, 08:30

Example of Escort Agency Fee splitting with gals data. But too bad in Toronto, not Phoenix.

I have a spreadsheet of the top 20 escort incall agencies in Toronto. Rates have been confirmed either direct with the agency, from escorts at the agencies or in many cases confirmed by both. Since incalls were decriminalized, the agencies have opened many across the Toronto metro area and are very busy.

Pricing at the 20 agencies is almost all within $10 of each other with most having a fee of $250/ hour with the escort getting $150 and the agency getting $100. These are of course in $CDN so, $CND250 = about $US195/ hr.

In Toronto, agencies work with police if any problems instead of fear them.

Many are run by former escorts, are close with their companions and have a huge selection of full body measurements, pictures and zillions of reviews on the huge honest sites such as terb. Cc where reviews don't have to be juicy and with sex acts to be posted like TER! I have over 1900 posts and quite a following when I travel to Toronto but wish we had the same options in Phoenix since I can only afford a once a year trip for the type of intimacy I enjoy.

Many of the same agencies offer outcall which has always been legal. Other agencies only offer outcall. Rates for outcall are similar to incall but include a fee of about $20 for the driver. If the escort starts her shift from home, the driver picks her up at home and takes her to customers hotel or home. He returns and calls the escort at about the 50-minute mark to remind the escort only has 10-minutes left. Even if a little over the driver seldom calls back since know escort is finishing up, saying goodbye and maybe takes a fast shower if has another customer to go to directly.

If a gal hasn't returned to the driver in say 10 minutes late driver calls. Again. If unable to get the escort on the phone the driver will go and knock on the room. It is very rare that this has to happen but if there is no answer, or senses some problem depending on hotel relationship will contact hotel security.

Or, if a serious concern will call the police, which I have never heard has been needed. Unlike in the USA Escorts and agencies have no worry about calling the police for any potential problem.

'Such a difference without the legal issues. In the USA All sorts of bad thing can go wrong with bad clients since the police would be the last resort. Bad clients know it will not be reported to the police in the USA I hear from many Phoenix escorts that are robbed, assaulted or given fake money in Phoenix but would never report to the police.

Besides the incalls I continue to like the nude reverse adult parlors in Mississauga, I really enjoy doing an Esalen massage routine on a woman for about 10 minutes either on a massage table or bed. Since I have substantial training, I usually get great reactions for the gals.

Even without the law changed in the USA, my passion for Esalen-type caring, intimate but non-sexual massage and other high-touch intimacy can be done perfectly legally.

I have lead couples groups and gotten together with various gals or with boyfriends / husbands to demo which I am always happy to do. No fee of course. This doesn't have to be sexual or include have the illegal sex acts that most guys seek. I know I am odd, but get such a great response in Toronto, wish I could find more interest in it in Phoenix.

DrPoon

09-26-16, 10:19

Recent news story from Mesa. Article summarized only to protect the innocent / guilty? Provider also accused of burglary and robbery (possible outcall scam artist?

Provider taking xanax, marijuana, cocaine, and of course alcohol. Fell asleep and killed two people causing them to crash into Circle K in Mesa.

In accordance with new bail protocol granted on recognizance release with ankle monitoring.

John Doe 5830

09-26-16, 17:46

DavePHX

09-26-16, 20:23

So what happened and when? I haven't been up to Phoenix in awhile but I saw Jewell Von D and was looking to seeing her in the future. It seems that's may not happen unless someone has a bead on her. Any thoughts and can anyone fill me in. Just curious. I looked back but I haven't had a chance to read through every post.
Thanks!As far as I know probably investigation still in progress. Linked to the escort that killed it seems a client, although client status not clear. Didn't happen at PhxF but she also worked there.

If the owner and all the workers are facing serious felony prison time, (criminal enterprise, money laundering etc) this is probably why they shut down. That is why all the major agencies in the last 10 years have either shut down or been arrested on felony charges.

DavePHX

09-26-16, 20:27

Warning to any one that used "The Studio", aka The Self Serve Porn Studio aka The 40th Street Studio.

Your videos are now all over the web, including on YouPorn.com, FetLife.com, and multiple Clips4 Sales stores. "Over 5000 movies produced by Self Serve Porn Studio customers" "All Sex scenes at the studio were recorded and archived for future sales. ".

The quality seems rather poor at least on the few I have looked at.

This is probably legal to do since I understand everyone had to sign release forms.

Owner William H has been in a Phoenix jail for 3 years on $100,000 bond not raised, since the June 20,2013 raid and arrest of William and 16 gals. The other 15 have taken felony plea deals for probation instead of the 1-5 years in prison under Arizona mandatory sentencing.

There is one alleged sexual assault charge on William. A bad situation with one gal. Otherwise, all consenting adults.

In my view, the evidence is overwhelming it was prostitution trying to hide as a studio. This argument has been tried in the past in Phoenix and all were lost.

However, now the customer videos have been released to the public to try and justify his argument.

Sample from 2013 Twitter account which is still up:

"Check us out, hottest porn studio in AZ, invites you to come have sex with a PornStar. 45 min Scene (HJ, BJ, SEX) $225."

"HAPPY HUMP DAY. COME SEE this sexxy NINJA Karli, HJ, BJ, straight SEX CALL NOW!

7 Photos are on the twitter site, which are some of the gals that were arrested and pled guilty.

DontKnowMe19

09-26-16, 21:43

Jamesj

09-27-16, 00:59

Age 29,5'3" nice looking pics, LISTED as being from Phoenix in profile.

Agreed on a cheap date, she opened conversation 1st (My rule, never waste credits messaging them 1st).

Exchanged reg. Email address Etc.

Guess what?

Claims now to be a teacher at an Orphanage in Kuala Lampur!

(pictures, she even sent more) are of a Caucasian girl that fits her description.

What a waste at an attempted scam!

AVOID.

JAMESJ.

DavePHX

09-27-16, 01:33

So, will it be admissible in court as evidence against the girls? Also, would they be able to find the men in the videos as well? And the "waviers" signed, will that help the states case? I'm glad I never had a chance to visit. The day I was planning on visiting, I had car troubles. Than the next day is when it got hit. That's crazy that they are now releasing it to cover court cost.

No, the gals have all pled guilty and will probably testify against owner at trial. The evidence is overwhelming the "studio" was just a scam. Guys don't have any risk other than their sex videos now being public and could be embarrassing for the gals that want to lead a non-industry life.

The owner isn't covering any court costs we the taxpayers are with a huge bill via the Office of Public Defense (different than the lower level public defenders). He has changed public attorney's many times and the State keeps paying for investigators he asks for. He makes long handwritten motions from jail which in my non-legal view have no real defenses. I don't know who posted the videos, some porn guy that he knew it seems since can't post from jail.

DrPoon

09-27-16, 03:11

I think the porn studio would probably have his case reversed at the court of appeals because he is protected by the porn exception to prostitution laws. The Arizona courts usually follow California precedents although they are not bound to. So just because an actor is also a producer and so forth does not dissolve the porn exception.

While it is clear that the county attorney is taking the position that the porn exception doesn't apply in Arizona it doesn't make sense that the government is not going after the tons of other porn producers (I. E. Backroom casting guy who acts in his movies, Exploitedcollegegirls.com, etc.).

No, the gals have all pled guilty and will probably testify against owner at trial. The evidence is overwhelming the "studio" was just a scam. Guys don't have any risk other than their sex videos now being public and could be embarrassing for the gals that want to lead a non-industry life.

The owner isn't covering any court costs we the taxpayers are with a huge bill via the Office of Public Defense (different than the lower level public defenders). He has changed public attorney's many times and the State keeps paying for investigators he asks for. He makes long handwritten motions from jail which in my non-legal view have no real defenses. I don't know who posted the videos, some porn guy that he knew it seems since can't post from jail.

DrPoon

09-27-16, 13:08

I remember one day, of course this officially never happened, parking a block away from the studio. Then doing a perimeter sweep to check around the studio prior to my entering it. Then out of nowhere comes a guy sort of reminded me of Uncle Fester, along with his assistant guy who asked me what I was doing. I stated I was lost and was directed to the main entrance. I then went in for my session. Suffice it to say that I can tell who is a scumbag and who isn't and this dude running the studio seemed like a stand up guy to me. As far as criminals go he seemed like he was just an honest guy trying to make a living and wasn't out to harm anyone. Unlike the majority of outcall pimps out there, which the government should be focusing on. So I think the government should stop wasting time on him and go after the violent gang members roaming the streets and shooting people randomly and terrorizing innocent citizens. As far as the so called "rape" allegation against Uncle Fester, I suppose that the lady should have reported it in a timely fashion and because she didn't it seems not likely for a convictions and sort of prejudicial akin to the Julian Assange's "rape".

Stomp2

09-27-16, 17:36

DavePHX

09-27-16, 17:55

I think the porn studio would probably have his case reversed at the court of appeals because he is protected by the porn exception to prostitution laws. The Arizona courts usually follow California precedents although they are not bound to. So just because an actor is also a producer and so forth does not dissolve the porn exception. While it is clear that the county attorney is taking the position that the porn exception doesn't apply in Arizona it doesn't make sense that the government is not going after the tons of other porn producers (I. E. Backroom casting guy who acts in his movies, Exploitedcollegegirls.com, etc.).

1) California only legal based on the Freeman case which requires actors member of recognised actors guild, an established producer etc. In a legal only in CA porn studio the actors getting sex are not paying for sex, they are paid by the producer. This is totally different than current Phx studio case where guy is paying to be his own actor with a gal. It is pure prostitution, totally different from the Freeman case allowing porn in CA under very specific situations.

The studio is nothing more than a criminal enterprise just like all agencies are in Arizona (and U.S.) if there is a fee for any sex act.

2) Arizona Attorney General a few years ago in a press conference made it very clear there was no way to do legal porn in Arizona. This was when the law requiring condoms was a hot topic in CA and the AG made it absolutely clear no porn studio would be legal in Arizona.

3) Backroom casting is not prostitution because the casting guy does not pay the gal for the sex. It might be fraud since he deceives them that they are doing a shoot which may result in being hired for porn, and no one actually does. It seems to be clear fraud, but not prostitution.

DavePHX

09-27-16, 18:11

As far as the so called "rape" allegation against Uncle Fester, I suppose that the lady should have reported it in a timely fashion and because she didn't it seems not likely for a convictions and sort of prejudicial akin to the Julian Assange's "rape".Uncle Fester's rape charge was quite vivid and extreme at least in the police report. Many rape victims delay reporting.

Obviously like probably everyone here we are against the $millions wasted going after private consenting adults often with pretend victims with huge grants and funding from the rescue industry based on lies of false studies which is why are infamous Farley's friend of the Court dribble was disregarded by the Supreme Court of Canada when it struck down the law against incalls etc based on harm reduction that results from decriminalization. Outcall of course, has always been legal but until the Supremes ruled unconstitutional the 1850's "bawdy house law" that made incall illegal. However, in many cities, it was rarely enforced I. E. Downtown incall agencies in Victoria, B. C. Now since incalls are legal all the big agencies such as in Toronto have incalls all over the place.

DrPoon

09-28-16, 06:49

I am curious why you did not just leave after confronting the two guys out front since you are so paranoid that everyone one is LE! Did they pass your screening process? Did they show theirs after you showed them yours! What was your "screening process" when you entered the place? Oy Vey!I think during that era I was watching the hit series Son's of Anarchy and on that show, the motorcycle gang had operated a brothel out of an office building. Since the 44th Street porn studio was in a similar office building I figured to check it out would be ok. It would have been cooler if there were a couple of motorcycles parked in the studio parking lot. Also I think the two guys were too chunky to be agents because the government makes them have to run 1. 5 miles in a certain time each year I think.

DrPoon

09-28-16, 07:54

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DavePHX

09-28-16, 16:29

Club Lacy Trial over. Jury found 3 guilty on all felony counts, other than for Cary.

All consenting adults. Raid in 2014.

Stephen Owner: bail revoked and taken into custody, new mug shot up.

After long trial jury quickly found guilty on all felony counts:

Illegal Control of Enterprise - 2 counts.

Money Laundering.

Maintain House of Prostitution.

Robert: Guilty of:

Illegal Control of Enterprise - 2 counts.

Money Laundering.

Maintain House of Prostitution.

Adam: Guilty of Money Laundering.

Cary: NOT guilty of Money Laundering.

Sentencing appears to be in November but in jail awaiting sentencing, then transfer to prison.

DavePHX

09-29-16, 04:13

More support for harm reduction if legal. Northern Ireland.

A sex worker has won High Court permission to challenge a new law criminalizing her clients in Northern Ireland.

Laura L was granted leave to seek a judicial review of Stormont legislation making it illegal for men to pay for prostitutes.

A judge ruled she has established an arguable case that amendments to the Human Trafficking and Exploitation Act breach her human rights to privacy and freedom from discrimination.

Northern Ireland is currently the only UK region to make the purchase of sex a criminal offence.

Although it shifts the legal burden away from prostitutes, they believe it will put them at heightened risk from customers using fake names to avoid identification.

Ms L, a 38-year-old Dublin-born law graduate, has been a sex worker for two decades. She now operates in Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic. Her legal team argued that the new law exposes prostitutes to greater risk of violence.

They contended that it will lead to sex workers increasingly carrying out their business alone, without the protection offered by brothel arrangements. Reduced opportunities to meet and screen clients creates a further danger, it was claimed.

The court heard Ms L was herself exposed to significant verbal abuse during one encounter. She feared for her own safety but was able to avoid any violence.

Attorney General John L. Representing the First and Deputy First Ministers, claimed proceedings should be thrown out at the first stage.

He insisted no unlawful act had been identified, and suggested the Act brought provided Ms L with greater protection from any abusive behaviour.

Mr L. Also submitted that protections under the European Convention on Human Rights do not cover sex for hire.

Ruling on the application for leave to seek a judicial review, Mr Justice M. Acknowledged the Attorney General's points had "considerable force".

But he held that the arguments advanced by Ms L. 's legal team were strong enough to meet the "modest threshold" of securing the right to progress their case. The judge stressed his verdict was no indication that she will ultimately succeed.

Outside court Ms L. 's solicitor, Ciaran M. , backed the decision. He said: "We need scrutiny on the legislation surrounding sex work in Northern Ireland to ensure the human rights of all are protected, and sex workers are not put at greater risk as a result of the laws. "It's not satisfactory that human trafficking and sex work is conflated as this leads to ineffective policy and law. ".

Full article at http://www.itv.com/news/utv/2016-09-28/sex-worker-granted-judicial-review-of-nis-prostitution-laws/.

Jamesj

09-29-16, 17:42

Success!

Age 34,5'6" (claims to be Av, but has extra lbs. 1st name Chris).

Bantered back and forth on price. She finally agreed to my offer of. 35.

She messaged me 1st (NEVER message them 1st!

Exchanged numbers and text a few times. She agree to come to my abode and do a "massage" for. 70.

She is very pleasant in person. Headed to bedroom, off with the clothes and she did a half ass massage, using her huge boobs.

On the flip, attention to the boys (had her lick / suck them) . Started a great BBBJ, before long I popped! (CIMWS. Yeah baby!

Great technique!

Gave her a tip and she was on her way (45 minutes) Never asked for donation upfront.

Only down side, some door to door asshole salesman rang the door bell 3 times right after I flipped!

(had locked / secured the door) NO one EVER rings my doorbell! (what timing -LOL).

Will definitely repeat!

I think everything is on the menu.

JAMESJ.

DrPoon

09-30-16, 09:04

Picked up a 20 year old blonde girl I was friends with last night. Usually she is with her normal friends and I thought nothing of it but this time she was with a strange friend never seen before. She had curly hair and in her 40's. Had a red blouse similar to the red outfit Hillary wore at the debate last week. At the end when leaving the older lady hugged the younger blonde and squeezed her butt. In the car we started talking and load after load of b. S. Explanation came from the younger girl. I finally got it out of her she met the older woman on a sugar mamma site and earned $300 for daty! Anyway, the sugar mamma really warmed her up for me and I was able to get some really good BBFS as the sugar mamma had made her really excited but didn't have the equipment needed for a grand finale.

So there you have it, there are hiding amongst us female hobbyists. I invite all female hobbyists to post and maybe they will learn to get discounted rates because it seems the female hobbyists are paying way too much LOL!

AzHiker54

09-30-16, 17:26

I just had a situation happen to me I feel obligated to post. I was in OKC and visited a 'massage parlor' I found on BP. The lady was very nice, in fact too nice. She greeted me with 'what a blessed day we are having, my we are all blessed, etc'. I'm not anti religious, but it felt funny coming from a provider. And make no mistake, that is what she was, a provider. I met another young lady in the studio, (it was in an office complex) and she seemed nice too.

I posted on the OKC site after I visited her, and made a reference about how strong she was. I just was reading a reply and found out this lady killed the younger worker (her daughter) by stuffing a crucifix down her throat a couple days after I had my massage. My point is guys always be careful, keep your eyes open, remain as low key as you can, and look for exits when at a providers. Don't be a statistic! Good luck and stay safe.

Hiloc

09-30-16, 23:02

DrPoon

10-01-16, 07:51

DavePHX

10-01-16, 08:58

Bad Real Pimps also being arrested.

I usually don't follow bad pimp cases (and no interest in street cases) or those that don't seem to be done in private with consenting adults.

I did look at the case of Jarrell arrested on 9/20/2016 which is maybe the 10% of cases that are real pimp cases vs maybe 90% that are the "pretend victims" cases of private consenting adults.

Jarrell indicted for sex trafficking 4 counts, as well as weapons and firearms charges after initial direct complaint of induce to prostitution felony.

Was a raid on a motel room in Tolleson (in Phoenix area). He is alleged to have posted ads for a girl he told could make money for but then she wanted to go home. He alleged to have told her that she was now his, that he carried two guns. She feared leaving and was scared for her life. Bond is $50 k.

I will not continue to follow this case, although wonder why kidnapping would also be an appropriate charge.

If LE would concentrate on these real pimp cases, and engage the help of consenting adults to report these cases, it would make far more sense than the maybe 90% of arrests related to pretend victims which are consenting adults.

DavePHX

10-01-16, 09:23

Looks like been almost a year since did update on this case from 2013 indictments of 6.

Shane the owner pled to two felonies:

Illegal control of an enterprise- sentenced to 3 years probation and a $25,000 fine.

Attempting to operate a house of prostitution. Sentenced to 9 months in prison.

In presentence report noted his business during the 5-month investigation took in about $500,000 from sex of his gals that typically cost $600 to $800. A portion was "tipped" to the dispatchers.

Without taking the time to research all the gals, some got very light misdemeanors like disorderly conduct and sentenced to 9 months probation.

Dispatchers Kristin and Jami took pleas.

Jami claims in presentence report that she only worked dispatching for his Maxim Limo company which had non-escort customers. She came to Maxim with 25 years of dispatch experience. She feels unfairly treated since spend 3 months in jail while others were able to raise bail and get released during proceedings. She had lots of letters of support at sentencing including someone who had known her for 40 years. Jami took a plea for solicitation to commit illegal control of enterprise a class 6 felony. Sentenced to 6 months probation.

Kendra pled to employment in prostitution a class 1 misdemeanor and sentenced to 9 months probation.

Sheila pled to disorderly conduct and sentenced to 1-year probation.

DavePHX

10-01-16, 10:02

Appeal Brief Filed 9/30/2016 at 9th Circuit challenging the prostitution law.

I have the 58 page brief from Pacer at: http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18933.

California Attorney General and other District Attorney defendants have until October 31,2016 to file their reply brief.

The only hope for in private consenting adults rights is the challenge to the prostitution law now before the 9th Circuit Appeals Court case No. 16-15927 EROTIC SERVICE PROVIDER LEGAL EDUCATION & RESEARCH PROJECT, (ESPLER) ET AL. , v. GEORGE xxxxxx ET AL. Good earlier background discussion of the case is at http://coyoteri.org/wp/what-is-esplerp-v-gascon/.

The Appellants Brief is the key to start the case at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. The challenge is to the California prostitution law which is almost the same as Arizona and many other states.

Very notable attorneys are fighting for consenting adult rights for ESPLER. Legal fees are sought by donations.

Espler Project is at http://esplerp.org/ with a huge amount of information.

DrPoon

10-01-16, 10:31

Kidnapping has to have holding or restraining as an element of the offense and the imminent threat or physical harm to the victim.

So if a defendant says, for example, to the victim: If you leave I will kill you in two days. That is not an imminent threat.

If the defendant holds the hair of the victim as she is running away or if he blocks the door and pushes her back inside then that would be kidnapping.

Bad Real Pimps also being arrested.

I usually don't follow bad pimp cases (and no interest in street cases) or those that don't seem to be done in private with consenting adults.

I did look at the case of Jarrell arrested on 9/20/2016 which is maybe the 10% of cases that are real pimp cases vs maybe 90% that are the "pretend victims" cases of private consenting adults.

Jarrell indicted for sex trafficking 4 counts, as well as weapons and firearms charges after initial direct complaint of induce to prostitution felony.

Was a raid on a motel room in Tolleson (in Phoenix area). He is alleged to have posted ads for a girl he told could make money for but then she wanted to go home. He alleged to have told her that she was now his, that he carried two guns. She feared leaving and was scared for her life. Bond is $50 k.

I will not continue to follow this case, although wonder why kidnapping would also be an appropriate charge.

If LE would concentrate on these real pimp cases, and engage the help of consenting adults to report these cases, it would make far more sense than the maybe 90% of arrests related to pretend victims which are consenting adults.

Stomp2

10-01-16, 14:14

In the past week out of nowhere:

1. A lady came up to me asking about buying drugs.

2. A lady came up to me asking to take her to buy cigarettes.

3. Helicopters overhead two nights in a row.

4. A lady at the laundry mat gave me $1 when I was out of change.I had a lady ask me what time it was the other day!

There was this lady standing at the freeway exit holding a sign asking for a handout!

Police car drove by the house the other night!

Two dogs humping in my neighbors yard the other morning!

Suspicious things happening all over!

Stomp2

10-01-16, 18:14

AzskyDiver

10-01-16, 20:45

Kidnapping has to have holding or restraining as an element of the offense and the imminent threat or physical harm to the victim.

So if a defendant says, for example, to the victim: If you leave I will kill you in two days. That is not an imminent threat.

If the defendant holds the hair of the victim as she is running away or if he blocks the door and pushes her back inside then that would be kidnapping.As usual "Dr poon" aka schwartz, schwartz2, and I kinda think intrance, you are incorrect. Here it is from the state of AZ themselves.

"13-1304. Kidnapping; classification; consecutive sentence.

A. A person commits kidnapping by knowingly restraining another person with the intent to:

1. Hold the victim for ransom, as a shield or hostage; or.

2. Hold the victim for involuntary servitude; or.

3. Inflict death, physical injury or a sexual offense on the victim, or to otherwise aid in the commission of a felony; or.

4. Place the victim or a third person in reasonable apprehension of imminent physical injury to the victim or the third person; or.

5. Interfere with the performance of a governmental or political function; or.

6. Seize or exercise control over any airplane, train, bus, ship or other vehicle".

#2 would be the relevant one.

DavePHX

10-01-16, 22:19

Dave's non-lawyer review of 9th Circuit ESPLER Case.

Brilliant ESPLER brief in my view. Discusses in depth fundamental liberty interests which is one of the key legal points in trying to expand Lawrence vs. Texas landmark decision into private consenting adult commercial sex area.

Lawrence clearly decided that laws cannot be based on morality and that there should be no government intrusion into private bedrooms. The ESPLER brief uses many more recent cases to support its argument that the fundamental rights should also extend to private commercial consenting adult prostitution.

The brief includes a case I pointed out years ago in my reports as supportive of expanding Lawrence to private adult prostitution: The Reliable Consultants vs. Earle 5th Circuit case of 2008.

As the ESPLER brief quotes Reliable:

"The right the Court recognized was not simply a right to engage in the sexual act itself, but instead a right to be free from governmental intrusion regarding 'the most private human contact, sexual behavior. ' That Lawrence recognized this as a constitutional right is the only way to make sense of the fact that the Court explicitly chose to answer the following question in the affirmative: 'We granted certiorari (to whether) petitioners' criminal convictions for adult consensual sexual intimacy in the home violate their vital interests in liberty and privacy protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. ".

The ESPLER brief expands further using more recent case law to support this fundamental right.

The brief goes into detail challenging the District Court's application and State's purported interests in 1. Deterring human trafficking and coercion; 2. Deterring violence against erotic service providers; 3. Deterring the spread of disease; 4. Deterring crimes incidental to prostitution, and 5) deterring commodification of sex.

The brief takes on each of these purported "compelling interests" often used by the State in many cases including at the Federal District Lower Court and debunks them The brief argues that it is the illegal nature of prostitution that creates or increases these risks. This is similar to the harm reduction argument that won in Canada's Supreme Court resulting in the incall and related prostitution laws being deemed unconstitutional under the Canadian Charter of Rights (outcall was always legal).

The brief cites zillions of court cases as well as articles and research papers to support the fact that having in private consenting adult prostitution illegal increases the risks vs. , private consenting adult prostitution being legal.

The brief argues the District Court dodged many of these issues.

The brief argues with citations of many cases that:

1). The District Court Erred In Dismissing Appellants' Claim That Section 647 (B) Violates The First Amendment Freedom of Speech.

2). The District Court Erred In Dismissing Appellants' Claim That Section 647 (B) Violates The First Amendment Freedom of Association.

3). The District Court Erred In Dismissing Appellants' Claim That Section 647 (B) Violates The Fourteenth Amendment Right To Earn A Living.

Section 647 (B) is the California prostitution law. Similar to Arizona and most states.

The California Attorney General and other District Attorney defendants have until October 31,2016 to file their reply briefs. They will argue for the continued illegal status of prostitution. Then it will up do the 9th Circuit judges to decide whether the prostitution law is legal or not.

The case may take a year or more to get to a decision. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, is controlling law in Arizona as well as California and most Western States.

While very expensive and fundraising for legal fees has not had as much support as we would have liked, making a similar case in another District could be good or bad.

It would seem a sharp attorney in the many current felony cases now in Superior Court might make the same type of constitutional argument in the trial court for the record for appeal or file for a declaratory action in Phoenix Federal Court. I am not a lawyer and any legal advice should be by a competent attorney.

If we lose fighting for private consenting adult rights, it could be helpful to challenge in another district.

If the Court of Appeals in another district rules the opposite of the 9th Circuit, it could go to the Supreme Court. Since Lawrence was a split 5-4 decision (liberals vs. Conservatives). Who wins the election and appoints the current Supreme Court vacancy will be critical to many cases with the conservative vs. Liberal judges often taking opposing positions, with currently one possible swing vote.

Links:

I have the 58 page brief from Pacer at http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18933.

ESPLER Project is at http://esplerp.org/ with a huge amount of information.

Good earlier background discussion of the case is at http://coyoteri.org/wp/what-is-esplerp-v-gascon/.

Higgs Boson

10-02-16, 01:12

In the past week out of nowhere:
1. A lady came up to me asking about buying drugs.
2. A lady came up to me asking to take her to buy cigarettes.
3. Helicopters overhead two nights in a row.
4. A lady at the laundry mat gave me $1 when I was out of change.Did you know that commercial dryers are actually video viewers? You can't see in but they see you. Have you noticed how many laundromats there are? Especially in your area. Yes, I'm talking to YOU. The curious laundromats are where they offer a free dry with wash. You're actually tricked to use these reverse video viewers. Why are we watching you? Er, I mean why are THEY watching. I didn't really notice what you did while you were folding your underwear. Do you really think it's a good idea to wear those striped socks? I hope you didn't mind me taking one. I'll drop by your house later tonight to get the other one while you sleep. Don't wait up. I'll quietly install the monitoring devices in your head so we don't need to use the helicopters again except for that final night.

DrPoon

10-02-16, 03:12

Maybe the providers don't need donations for the lawyers. They could just arrange a barter system with them instead. The legal term for this is pro boner.

Amazingly enough, as obvious as this joke would seem, that's the first time I recall seeing it on the forum which amazes me.

A2

DavePHX

10-02-16, 06:02

Dutch sex workers take charge of their own business- if only it was as safe and legal in the USA.

9/30/2016 Highlights;.

THE HAGUE, Sept 30 — Amsterdam sex workers yesterday launched a brothel run by prostitutes by themselves with no exploitation, thanks to financing from a social investment fund. "Today, we are witnessing a breakthrough in the empowerment of sex workers," said spokesman Richard B. The project due to open in May 2017, is "the first sex business managed solely by sex workers", he said at the launch in the Dutch capital.

Prostitution has been legal in the Netherlands since 2000 and sex workers, who are registered with the chamber of commerce, pay taxes on their incomes. Their pimps or handlers must have a permit and often pay a high commission.

The My Red Light project, which involves four buildings comprising 14 of the famous windows looking out onto Amsterdam's notorious red light district, will enable sex workers to use their incomes to improve their social status. The scheme, which has resulted from a feasibility study carried out at the request of the city authorities last year, is being backed by the philanthropy fund Start Foundation, as well as the Dutch bank Rabobank.

"My Red Light, founded by sex workers, offers self-employed entrepreneurs within the prostitution sector the opportunity to rent work spaces at attractive rates and flexible terms," the project said in a statement.

Safe, comfortable place.

"We want to create a safe and comfortable place for the whole community," said spokeswoman Dinah B. The scheme is part of Amsterdam city's policy to "make the city's sex work industry clean and safe, and to give sex workers greater independence" and reduce abuse, according to the city's tourist office. — AFP.

DavePHX

10-02-16, 06:32

Vancouver Police, like Toronto and most other large cities refuse to enforce C36 for in private consenting adults. If only LE was as mature in the USA.

After the Supreme Court 2013 decision declaring the incall law and "living of the avils" unconstitutional based on harm reduction, the conservative Hxxxxx government passed C36. It is easy to avoid but is more the Swedish model making it a crime for a customer to buy sex but all is legal for the prostitute. WIth the new Txxxx government there is mounting pressure to repeal C36. The law is unlikely to survive a court challenge if it is used against an in private consenting adult, based on harm reduction when legal, just like the prior Bxxxx case.

Highlights of 9/30/2016 Vancouver Sun Article.

As Vancouver fails to enforce prostitution laws, Trudeau government needs to declare its stance on legalizing sex work.

When the Criminal Code's sections on prostitution were rewritten in 2014 the intent was to focus on the demand for sex services, in order to make prostitution a less risky proposition. The changes recognized for the first time that the right to safety included people engaged in the sex trade. It was a recognition forced on the government by a Supreme Court of Canada decision in 2013 that struck down key sections of the old law. In the Bedford case, Canada's top court agreed that prostitutes need to be protected and it agreed with the complainants that criminal sanctions against brothels and those living off the avails of prostitution put them at greater risk.

But there's a deep divide internationally about how best to protect prostitutes from harm when they're doing work that's inherently harmful.

Shouting across the divide are those who believe that prostitution is a job like any other and ought to be legalized; and those who believe that prostitution is violence against women, a vestige of gender inequality that ought to be abolished.

In Vancouver, legalizers have been winning for a long time and are still, even with the Criminal Code changes. What muddied the legal waters is that during the 2015 election campaign, some Liberal candidates (including Hedy Fxxx in Vancouver Centre) suggested that their government would revoke the changes and legalize prostitution (for customers etc.). That's re-ignited the fierce debate.

Where there hasn't been any debate for 15 years is at Vancouver City Hall, where councils have long pursued the stealth legalization of the sex trade. It dates back to the city's 2001 harm-reduction model in the "Four Pillars Approach to Drug Problems," which included a recommendation that prostitution be decriminalized. Under the banner of harm reduction, Vancouver made brothels a permitted use in areas zoned for home-based businesses in 2008. Public outrage forced the council to back down.

In 2011, council endorsed a "comprehensive approach" aimed at mitigating the negative effects on neighbourhoods of an estimated 1,000-2,000 street prostitutes, and better protecting the other 8,000-10,000 believed to be working indoors.

By 2013, when the Conservative government called for input into new prostitution laws, Vancouver's council was urging full legalization (with the exception of the purchase of sexual services from minors).

That same year, the Vancouver Police Department adopted its "Sex Work Enforcement Guidelines. " Since then, not a single person has been arrested for buying sexual services, not even after the new prostitution laws were enacted in 2014. The guidelines' only reference to sex buyers is that police will enforce the laws related to the abuse and sexual exploitation of children and will "monitor and maintain intelligence reports to identify and track potentially violent sex industry consumers / exploitive abusers. ".

Several Vancouver-based organizations asked the B. C. Government not to enforce the new laws because they're not in the public interest.

DrPoon

10-02-16, 06:52

They have a great thing going over there for Amsterdam's version of the "Small Business Administration". One guy got their government to fund his hangover business. It's a store in the red light area where you walk in and entirely white counter and white floor and walls too. Problem is nobody seems to buy anything there. A younger Dutch guy seemed to be working there and I figured it was probably a make work job for him to put on his resume and after talking to him found out he was government funded.

And the problem is going to be even with a provider run brothel is that the Netherlands still has the CBJ law. So why bother with Amsterdam (other than they have cheap car rentals) and (drunk / high British women). It is better to poon in Deutschland.

Dutch sex workers take charge of their own business- if only it was as safe and legal in the USA.

9/30/2016 Highlights;.

THE HAGUE, Sept 30 Amsterdam sex workers yesterday launched a brothel run by prostitutes by themselves with no exploitation, thanks to financing from a social investment fund. "Today, we are witnessing a breakthrough in the empowerment of sex workers," said spokesman Richard B. The project due to open in May 2017, is "the first sex business managed solely by sex workers", he said at the launch in the Dutch capital.

Prostitution has been legal in the Netherlands since 2000 and sex workers, who are registered with the chamber of commerce, pay taxes on their incomes. Their pimps or handlers must have a permit and often pay a high commission.

The My Red Light project, which involves four buildings comprising 14 of the famous windows looking out onto Amsterdam's notorious red light district, will enable sex workers to use their incomes to improve their social status. The scheme, which has resulted from a feasibility study carried out at the request of the city authorities last year, is being backed by the philanthropy fund Start Foundation, as well as the Dutch bank Rabobank.

"My Red Light, founded by sex workers, offers self-employed entrepreneurs within the prostitution sector the opportunity to rent work spaces at attractive rates and flexible terms," the project said in a statement.

Safe, comfortable place.

"We want to create a safe and comfortable place for the whole community," said spokeswoman Dinah B. The scheme is part of Amsterdam city's policy to "make the city's sex work industry clean and safe, and to give sex workers greater independence" and reduce abuse, according to the city's tourist office. AFP.

AzHiker54

10-02-16, 16:58

Can you share where you got that information from?One of the regulars in OKC responded to my post with a 'link' to an OKC news source. There was a photo of this lady, and yes it was her.

DavePHX

10-06-16, 22:45

Backpage owners arrested and BP apparently shutting down.

Backpage shutting down per wire services Former Phoenix New Times owners have arrest warrants.

The Texas Attorney General says, "The site has since been shut down. " Dave notes, yet it is till up but probably since based in Netherlands it may be more complicated to get if off line.

Agents raided Dallas headquarters of Backpage and arrested Chief Exec Carl F on 10/6/2016. The Netherlands-based company has its USA Headquarters in Dallas.

In his press release, the attorney general's office categorized the portal as ". A notorious adult website that generates millions of dollars annually from its classified sex ads. ".

"We cannot allow this evil to endure," he expanded in the prepared statement, referencing the site that he says facilitates modern-day slavery of both children and adults and generates millions of dollars from its classified ads.

"Making money off the backs of innocent human beings by allowing them to be exploited for modern-day slavery is not acceptable in Texas," Texas Attorney General Ken P. , a Republican, said in a statement.

California Attorney General Kamala H. Said that F. Was arrested on felony charges of pimping a minor, pimping, and conspiracy to commit pimping. He is being held in lieu of $500,000 bond and will face an extradition hearing before he can be returned to California.

"Raking in millions of dollars from the trafficking and exploitation of vulnerable victims is outrageous, despicable and illegal," said H. Democrat who is running for the USA Senate in next month's election. "Backpage and its executives purposefully and unlawfully designed Backpage to be the world's top online brothel. ".

The site's controlling shareholders, Michael L 68, and James L, 67, have been charged with conspiracy to commit pimping, Neither of them has been taken into custody by late Thursday although warrants have been issued for their arrest. Under California's law, felony pimping is defined as making money off of prostitutes or soliciting customers for prostitution. Lacey and Larkin are former owners of the Village Voice and the Phoenix New Times.

Backpage advertises a wide range of services, but the California arrest warrant alleges that internal business records obtained through a search warrant show that 99 percent its revenue came from its adult services section between January 2013 and March 2015. California officials said the site collects fees from users who use coded language and nearly nude photos to offer sex for money.

Nearly three dozen members of the Texas Attorney General's Law Enforcement Unit participated in F's arrest and the execution of a search warrant on the Dallas headquarters of Backpage, ". Which is considered the largest advertiser of adult escort services in the United States," the AG's office said.

California AG said, "Backpage and its executives purposefully and unlawfully designed Backpage to be the world's top online brothel. Thank you to the California Department of Justice Special Agents, investigators, attorneys, and our partners in law enforcement who have worked tirelessly to bring the operators of this online brothel to justice and protect thousands of victims of trafficking. ".

F, 55, was taken into custody on a California arrest warrant after he arrived in Houston on a flight from Amsterdam.

"A lengthy joint investigation by the offices of the Texas and California attorneys general uncovered evidence that adult and child sex trafficking victims were forced into prostitution through escort ads that appeared repeatedly on Backpage," the statement reads.

The shut down of backpage.com is not in all media reports. It is mentioned in some such as http://patch.com/california/coronado/s/fwmz9/ceo-of-worlds-top-online-brothel-backpage-com-nabbed-on-calif-pimping-charges?.

Source: Sample from many reports widely distributed over the wire services on 10/6/2016.

Higgs Boson

10-07-16, 01:54

The shut down of backpage.com is not in all media reports. It is mentioned in some such as http://patch.com/california/coronado/s/fwmz9/ceo-of-worlds-top-online-brothel-backpage-com-nabbed-on-calif-pimping-charges?.
Source: Sample from many reports widely distributed over the wire services on 10/6/2016.I was / am curious so I clicked on some links. Site seems to be still up. The link at the end of the patch.com item says the document was removed. I suppose it will take a couple of days to sort things out.

Higgs.

DavePHX

10-07-16, 02:41

I was / am curious so I clicked on some links. Site seems to be still up. The link at the end of the patch.com item says the document was removed. I suppose it will take a couple of days to sort things out.Higgs.Yes, the arrest document was removed, have no idea why. Looks like an individual posted it on scribe. I found the complaint on reason.com. They both should be public documents at least they are in Arizona but have to use the Courts ECF system to find them.

My updated comments:

After reading the arrest warrant and complaint, BP may not be forced to shut down unless the web host believes the alleged criminal activity violates the terms of its user agreement.

It was the TX AG who stated in one report that it HAD been shut down. However, many other media reports such as ABC, USATODAY did not report that comment.

In Phoenix with many arrested on criminal enterprise felonies, while some owners shut down sites (or when they thought they could be at risk which was too late), others did not. For example, the Phoenix Goddess Temple never was shut down during at least most of the 5 years before conviction of criminal enterprise. It is now shut down as founder Tracy is in prison and most of the 32 gals took felony plea deals for probation instead of prison.

On the bad side for the BP owners is they may not be able to use the excuse for just third-party posts since the California AG said, "Ferrer took data from Backpage users and created content for Backpage-affiliated sites like EvilEmpire.com and BigCity.com. The investigation found that Evilempire.com featured photos and contact information from Backpage and offered no apparent way for users to submit content directly. These schemes enabled Ferrer and his co-conspirators to expand Backpages share of the online sex advertising market."

In the 9 page complaint, there are many specific examples of ads for certain amounts were paid to backpage.com In total 17 "Overt Acts" including many with dates and amounts paid to backpage.com using the credit card processing of Jetpay.

Some of the counts are for minors and others for adults. Documents filed in the case included interviews with children who said they took out ads on Backpage.com after they were forced into prostitution.

ABC reports, worldwide revenue from sex ads topped $3.1 million in just one week last year, according to a court affidavit.

Lxxx and Lxxxx each received $10 million bonuses from the website in September 2014, according to the court filing. It says Backpage was created in 2004, but since 2014 has been owned by a Netherlands-based company that has Ferrer as its only named partner.

U.S. Sens. Rob xxxx, R-Ohio, and Claire xxxxxxx, D-Missouri, chairman and ranking member of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, issued a statement hailing the criminal charges resulting from what they called "the scourge of online sex trafficking."

They put the site's estimated annual revenues at more than $150 million, calling it "a market leader in commercial sex advertising."

DrGori

10-08-16, 01:35

Beware of this girl! She reported me to the WYP site admins for solicitation when I told her she was wasting my time with a $3000 offer in chat. She claims she is a virgin and guys have paid $150 just to take her to dinner. What kind of idiot does that!!

Anyway, if any of you use this site, don't waste you time with this one. Save your winks and tokens for someone else.

DavePHX

10-08-16, 05:12

I am glad to see Woodhull getting involved and Larry xxxxx, their attorney I have admired over the decades. I don't totally understand the speech argument or how the Freeman case is relevant (pandering in porn movies) since prostitution is about conduct, not speech. Seems more a defense of backpage vs the conduct of prostitution, which seems more the ESPLERP good case.

Woodhull in the last about decade has been more about GLB issues and B&D, although founder was a prostitute. Glad they are in support. I met with some of their folks in Chicago and Phoenix when swing clubs were made illegal in Phoenix. But that was 10+ years ago.

The Woodhull Amicus Brief I have posted at.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18943

DavePHX

10-08-16, 05:13

The ACLU brief is mostly about discrimination in its application. Although not the main point, I do especially like the following:

Contrary to State's contention that 647 (b) protects women from violence, ER 101-102 (Dkt. No. 21), numerous studies have concluded that criminalization of sex work exposes women to more violence, including by the police. See supra at Section I; Katherine xxxxxx, 17 Facts About Sexual Violence and Sex Work, The Huffington Post (Dec. 4, 2015) (collecting studies). Decriminalization of sex work, by contrast, has been shown to reduce violence. See Scott xxxxxx & Manisha xxxx, Decriminalizing Prostitution: Surprising Implications for Sexual Violence and Public Health, Working Paper Series, National Bureau of Economic Research (2013) (decriminalization of indoor prostitution in Rhode Island significantly reduced reported cases of rape); Barbara G. Xxxx & Kathryn Hxxxxxxax, Violence and Legalized Brothel Prostitution in Nevada: Examining Safety, Risk, and Prostitution Policy, 20 J. Interpersonal Violence 270 (2005) (Nevada's safety regulations for legalized prostitution reduced violence and fear of violence).

The Woodhull Amicus Brief I have posted at.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18944

Higgs Boson

10-08-16, 18:20

I was curious about the status of Backpage and looked at the site again. Yup, adult oriented ads are still being posted plus all the ads for housing (over 8000 rentals, over 3000 real estate postings), over 9000 employment / job postings, compared to under 2000 "adult" posts.

Please don't be someone in this forum: under room mates sought in Backpage: a guy in the E. Valley is advertising for a female roomie who would participate in swinger / multiple partner events, etc. His picture of the bedroom shows an air mattress with a sheet thrown over it and a single pillow. You know that will be a chick magnet! Hell, there's a woman comedian who says she's tired of meeting guys with beds without a headboard. Tip to that guy: go out to a furniture showroom, even Ikea, and buy a Queen / King-sized bed frame, plus mattress and, depending on bedframe, a box spring. Headboard optional but it would really help. Top it all off with a mattress pad, nice set of cotton sheets, and a couple more pillows. Unless she's living on the streets, no woman is going to say "Hey, air mattress! I'm going to reply to that ad!

What does this stuff mean to a woman: it shows some signs of being settled, some maturity and financial stability, and slightly less chance of being a serial killer. Having an air mattress as your main piece of furniture in the bedroom sends the opposite signals.

Higgs.

DrPoon

10-09-16, 03:25

I guess you didn't see my roommate ad. I posted for a girl with a cargo van to move in together. Hopefully she has a Chevy Astro at least. Ideal configuration for mileage and also still bigger than the Nissan NV200 cargo vans. For the mattress I suggest a 4 inch memory foam on a piece of plywood.

I was curious about the status of Backpage and looked at the site again. Yup, adult oriented ads are still being posted plus all the ads for housing (over 8000 rentals, over 3000 real estate postings), over 9000 employment / job postings, compared to under 2000 "adult" posts.

Please don't be someone in this forum: under room mates sought in Backpage: a guy in the E. Valley is advertising for a female roomie who would participate in swinger / multiple partner events, etc. His picture of the bedroom shows an air mattress with a sheet thrown over it and a single pillow. You know that will be a chick magnet! Hell, there's a woman comedian who says she's tired of meeting guys with beds without a headboard. Tip to that guy: go out to a furniture showroom, even Ikea, and buy a Queen / King-sized bed frame, plus mattress and, depending on bedframe, a box spring. Headboard optional but it would really help. Top it all off with a mattress pad, nice set of cotton sheets, and a couple more pillows. Unless she's living on the streets, no woman is going to say "Hey, air mattress! I'm going to reply to that ad!

What does this stuff mean to a woman: it shows some signs of being settled, some maturity and financial stability, and slightly less chance of being a serial killer. Having an air mattress as your main piece of furniture in the bedroom sends the opposite signals.

Higgs.

DrPoon

10-09-16, 12:51

Higgs Boson

10-09-16, 15:23

Selasorp

10-10-16, 02:29

Seems to me there are two ways to do rental cars.

Way 1: Get a Friday. Tue weekend rate, then go to the airport return on Tue, sit in the lounge all day, take a night flight to the second city, then sit in the lounge all day again the next day for free food and wifi, and then wait until Thursday night to start another weekend rate Thur-Monday. Then fly back on Monday.

Way 2: Do a 7 day weekly rate. Usually the 5 day rate is the same as the 7 day rate so you get two extra days for free.Word of advice, lay off the drugs. It is obvious that your mental capacity is getting diminished from them on a daily basis. Also don't forget to wrap yourself in aluminum foil so that "they" can't get into your head.

LuvingFully

10-12-16, 20:25

By charging for ads, the three men violated state's law against pimping, defined as making money off prostitutes or soliciting customers for prostitution. Court documents say some of the ads involve children under the age of 18.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/10/12/backpage-operators-appear-in-court-on-pimping-charges/

Higgs Boson

10-13-16, 00:44

By charging for ads, the three men violated state's law against pimping, defined as making money off prostitutes or soliciting customers for prostitution. Court documents say some of the ads involve children under the age of 18.A dancer acquaintance says that a club she regularly dances at is being extremely cautious about following the letter of the law regarding dancer licenses issued by the cities around the valley and the Backpage situation is being cited as the reason.

As I understand the Valley cities' s regulations, dancers can start beginning at age 19 but I had one dancer tell me she started younger (she was then in her early 20's). Given the hysteria about underage women being lured into sex trafficking, even if the hysteria is unwarranted, the club owners might be very wary about hiring young dancers and especially meticulous regarding licensing and age documentation.

Higgs.

DrPoon

10-13-16, 05:28

Why are they in orange suits don't they have $10 million dollars I thought they would have a fairly low bond and be out by now?

By charging for ads, the three men violated state's law against pimping, defined as making money off prostitutes or soliciting customers for prostitution. Court documents say some of the ads involve children under the age of 18.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/10/12/backpage-operators-appear-in-court-on-pimping-charges/

DavePHX

10-16-16, 23:45

ABC2 Wbay 10/16/2016 and other media reports in Wisconsin during the week of October 10,2016.

"Over a dozen arrests have been made in Wisconsin following a nationwide sex trafficking operation to find people involved in sex trafficking of adults and minors.

I thought these operations were only semi-annual but there was another just in August it seems:

More Lives Sabotaged by National Faux-Sex-Trafficking Witch-Hunt.

Reason.com 10/10/2016.

A man lost his position as Chair of the Military Science Dept at the University of Nebraska after answering an ad online for an adult women willingly selling sex in August in a national sting sold as way to stop child sexual exploitation.

However after all the media hype charges were dropped against him and another man.

Their arrests were both part of the "National John Suppression Initiative," a series of nationwide sex stings coordinated by Cook County Sheriff Tom D. Every few months, police departments across the country pose undercover as either sex workers or their clients, arrest a lot of adult men and women for things like prostitution and solicitation, then put out splashy press releases about all the "sex trafficking arrests" they've made.

These coordinated efforts to entrap people around the country lead to large initial arrest-counts, ensuring them prominent placement in USA Media. But few outlets ask questions about specific charges, merely accepting police PR that these were predators arrested and not largely adult men and women trying to have consensual sex. Nor do many folks follow up on the results of these stings. If they did, it would become clear that the "National John Suppression Initiative" has naught to do with stopping sexual exploitation of minors.

Most efforts wind up as they did in Lincoln, Nebraksa—where initial headlines about the August bust announced "12 arrested in Nebraska for sex trafficking-related crimes" and "Lincoln teacher among those arrested in sex-trafficking operation. " But the ultimate arrest / rescue breakdown for Lincoln?

No underage or adult sex-trafficking victims discovered.

No force, fraud, or coercion discovered.

DrPoon

10-20-16, 17:43

http://www.tobee.xyz/watch/s333YGMxh9w.html

FBI also is looking through provider phones and checking incriminating texts. FBI finds OKC local LE supervisor sending incriminating texts and arrests for various piled on charges probably because of a statement made to the FBI. As always never talk to the FBI except if you are a telling them you are a Democrat in which case they may let it slide. Then immediately demand an attorney!

Also text messages can be forged and spoofed so even if a message is on a phone it doesn't mean that anyone sent it necessarily. It could have been forged. But if you acknowledge sending it then you are fucked but not in a good way. Also never assume that known providers are NOT under government control because they can be at any time and anyone can be compromised and assume they are compromised and act accordingly. The FBI is monitoring texts in real time through airplane stingrays and also checking providers phone they arrest. However they cannot use the texts against a third party unless the third party admits sending the incriminating texts because either the texts could be forged or the stingray was conducted in a general warrant in absence of a specific search warrant based upon probable cause stating a specific target and phone to be searched. The stingray takes all phone in the area and searched them so therefore this evidence is not admissible which is why they need an interrogation admission which is why do not speak to the FBI.

DrPoon

10-22-16, 10:37

A well known case in Utah showing number spoofing claiming to by IRS agents.

Similar problems could occur amongst hobbyists calling providers or for defense of hobbyist prosecutions. Of course never bring anything specified in a text when going to a meeting. If a decoy tells to bring a condom or to bring cigarettes of course never bring it and never give vehicle info.

http://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/alerts/attorney-general-warns-utahns-telephone-scam-spoofing-utah-state-treasurers-office-phone-number

LuvingFully

10-27-16, 12:51

I've had numerous 3-4 hour sensual massages that did not include penetrative sex or a "happy-ending". When it's performed properly, I'm in a simultaneous state of high arousal and deep relaxation. Feelings of intense euphoria last for several days or more afterwards. Over the long term, daily life is no longer an emotional or mental grind.

The massage giver must have skills to appropriately deal with unresolved psychological trauma that inevitably arises over the course of several to many initial sessions. There is one drawback, the high levels of oxytocin produced intensify emotional attachment to the massage giver, hence one must be willing and prepared to maintain respectful boundaries.

My massage therapist is now 200 miles away, hence I'm looking for someone local who meets these qualifications. Thanks in advance for your recommendation.

DavePHX

10-28-16, 07:56

Update on various felony cases in Maricopa Superior Court.

Relaxation Station.

6 indicted 2 not yet found to arrest.

Cara- As previously reported she filed motion to dismiss saying only 1-day at Spa and had no idea anything illegal going on. State opposed stating that undercover's got prostitution deals with 4 gals in March and May 2016. They had control of the illegal enterprise since they had keys and could turn on the "open sign. ".

On 8/3/2016 Cara was present when they executed search warrant. Her bag with her I'd in it also had a used condom wrapped in a plastic bag. Phone had text messages using her massage name "Charlie. " Two other defendants had phone texts to owner Kimberly whose name was on lease saying that Cara was unable to muffle a customers orgasm during a hand job because she had her finger in his rectum.

On 10/11/2016 Alexandra released OR at arraignment.

Next hearing 11/10.

Red Mountain Day Spa.

4 workers on supervised release.

Earl L. Posted $27,000 bond.

Sandra took plea. Class 5 felony: solicitation to commit illegal control of enterprise and sentenced to 2 years probation and usual fees and restrictions.

Laura also pled but a class 3 felony with sentencing 11/3.

Jennifer's settlement conference vacated and not yet reset.

Devi Fe Fay Mind and Body Massage.

Now 8 of indicted arrested, 3 not yet found so no names available.

Owner Xenia $3000 bond shows as not paid. Charged with pandering in addition to criminal enterprise felonies for rest.

On 10/14/2016 arrest warrants issued for Martha and Virginia who failed to appear at arraignment and bond increased to $5400.

10/17 Grand Jury indictments filed.

Next hearing 11/15.

Club Lace.

10/21/2016 Robert M Sentencing deferred for a mitigation hearing 12/16 with 2 hours allotted.

Other 3 found guilty by jury at trial sentencing 11/10 and 11/18.

Concepcion and Allexus.

State moved to revoke release of Concepcion after posting $50,000 bail due to 9/18 arrest in Oregon for DWI, criminal driving and suspended license. Release was on condition he not leave Arizona and not commit any crime. Also has a DWI charge pending before prostitution related charges. Oral hearing to revoke release on 11/9.

Allexus. Sentencing on plea for pandering continued until 12/6.

DavePHX

10-30-16, 23:32

Many More Court Updates.

Shangri La Massage.
Feng allowed to return to China until next hearing 11/2/16.
3 posted bail ranging from $5000-$15,000.
4 have trial set for 2/6/2017 continued from 11/2.
1 has sentencing on felony plea agreement 11/29.

Rose Garden Health.
5 indicted, most out on $5000 bond.
10/24/16 State filed notice of additional rebuttal witnesses - 2 Phoenix PD officers.
Next hearing 11/17.
Trial for the 2 that have not yet taken felony pleas 1/19/2017.

Studio from 2013 raid.
The ten that took plea deals sentencing deferred until 11/15.

10/28 William owner oral argument: Fight whether he can continue to represent himself from State motion to deny based on conduct. Claims detective told sexual assault victim to make up facts so prosecution unethical conduct not William (like the usual Trump redirection tactic).

William willing to give up pro per status. State says voluminous discovery ongoing and trial should be further delayed. Court orders a complete exhibit list by 11/15 and requested jury questionnaires. Advisory counsel re-urges Rule 32 waiver. (Dave notes this relates to where ineffective counsel is usually more appropriate in a habeas corpus proceeding, or on a direct appeal. Courts seem to differ on which. The Studio case is not yet on appeal and not clear exactly what the urge of waiver means).

States motion to rescind pro per status and reset trial date deferred to next hearing on 11/8 with trial set for 11/15.

Paul W. Case now on Appeal.
This is a well briefed in lower court entrapment defense which assume will be in the appeal brief.

This is one of zillions of pretend xxxx stings for media hype. Ad of an adult on BP, picture of an adult, listed age of an adult so obviously seeking an adult. Then the gotcha scam by police.

Took to trial but judge ruled could not present entrapment defense. Has good attorney with good briefs. Went to jury trial and lost. Sentenced to mandatory minimum of 7 years in prison vs taking a plea for far less.

Appeal filed 9/19/2016. October is fight over costs as defendant seeks ruling is indigent. Attorney on appeal is same as in lower court which is odd. Not sure if from Office of Public Defense (not the same as public defenders) but they have separate appeals attorneys as in the Phoenix Temple case now on appeal but very slow at just getting transcripts transferred.

Clock to file the appeals briefs, which will have all the defense's legal arguments and then the States reply, are not filed until after all the transcripts are filed. Then court may take 1-2 years for a decision based on other Appeals cases I am tracking.

Tracy. Phoenix Goddess Temple Appeal Update.

Appeal from Jury conviction filed 6/6/2016. Tracy in prison. There are still about 63 transcripts not yet filed with some on 3rd extension until late November.

There is a Office of Public Defense attorney for a real defense hopefully not her fantasy of religious conspiracy theories. The defense attorney had about 120 different cases on the Appeals document she is representing defendants. I look forward to the appellate brief and I believe she has at least two legitimate arguments on appeal. Who knows how many more extensions will be approved for filing from the court reporters the remaining transcripts. Hundreds have been filed but about 63 still on extension of time to file.

AZ Gov D. Just appointed one of the 4 prior Temple case judges (case went on for about 5 years before trial) to the Appeals Court. I assume he would have a conflict of interest to be in the Temple Appeals case.

Swedish Ana / Dale now on Appeal. Just Dale.

Goes back to 2013 arrest. Swedish Ana who was a popular escort took a plea and now serving 27 years flat time and lifetime probation after release. Was credited at sentencing for 413 days served while case in progress.

Dale sentenced to 20 years Flat time and life probation and credit for 411 days served.

Dale filed notice of appeal in 2014 but hasn't been perfected, keeps getting extensions. On 9/9/2016 Appeals Court ordered transcripts.

Dale motioned from Florence prison for post conviction relief based on ineffective counsel. In part he mentions that at one point the judge had to ask the bailiff to quiet him and his counsel as they were screaming at each other.

In June 2016 Dale requested extension to file Appeal Brief since access to case law is limited in prison and due to the closeness of inmates housed in 64 man pods. As a result he caught various illnesses hindering his research.

Bubba1979

10-31-16, 17:34

Hello Gentleman. This is just an update on an earlier post where I talked about abstaining from pornography to help with Erectile issues.

I am now at the 60+ point and I must say it has been life changing. I realize that ED can be caused by a variety of things, but at least with me.

This seems to have been the genesis of my issues. It has been hard for sure. Even signing on to this site I have to avert my eyes from all the pics.

My favorite is the girl with huge tits and a white halter that pops up when you sign on to your I'm's. Ha.

Anyway, if this helps anyone then it's worth posting. Ol Bubba.

Head Banger

11-01-16, 03:17

You are in the "know". Thanks for Sharing. Maybe things will go back to normal after the election season.

Ralf511

11-01-16, 13:03

Jo Kuz

11-05-16, 12:16

Has anybody had any luck with WhatsYourPrice.com ? Any reports appreciated.

Member #5432

11-05-16, 15:51

Has anybody had any luck with WhatsYourPrice.com ? Any reports appreciated.Like everything else, wyp is really hit and miss. And given you have to pay for even the misses, it tends not to be particularly cost effective! I had some good experiences on there early on and every so often you do come across a "provider", but more often than not, you find yourself connecting with a fake profile or someone who turns out to just want money to go out socially and have no interest in anything sexual.

If you are looking for a sugarbaby there are some decent prospects, many of whom are open to sexual relationships, but they do like to be spoiled! I came across a gem last spring, an ASU student who had a thing for older men, an oral fixation, and wasn't greedy! It was perfect. Until she transferred out of state this fall.

One rule is that if they don't even look at your profile before making, accepting, or countering an offer, don't bother connecting with them. If they look at your profile first, then there is some hope they are genuine. If they then message you first after an accepted offer, then it is an even better chance. But be clear in your profile what you are seeking. I also make a rule of keeping my offers low-ball and make it clear in my profile that I am willing to re-negotiate depending on what they are open to doing the first date. That probably turns some away, but saves money in the long run. I also ignore girls who make $$ offers. Most of my dates have been for less than. 5, plus costs, and I've doubled it if something more happens (which is rare on first dates, but not impossible).

Good luck and if you find any decent prospects, let us know! I keep looking, hoping, but haven't connected with anyone on there in a while.

Enjoy and stay safe!

RW.

DavePHX

11-07-16, 07:10

9th Circuit Amicus brief lays out the harms of the prostitution law vs decriminalization.

While prior Amicus and the Appeal Briefs have focused mostly on the complex constitutional and other legal issues challenging the prostitution law this case is excellent laying out the harms of prostitution. While Children of the Night that filed it may be more on the street work side for which it will be easier for the State to show a compelling interest, the harms also apply to private adults that are not desperate on the streets but funding college etc.

The brief presents a great argument about the lower Court not taking the issues seriously and just dismissing them in their summary judgement. The brief argues to remand the case back to the lower court for a full trial. I am not clear if the 9th can simply reverse without having to remand back to Superior Court and force it to take to trial which could take years. Then each side would probably appeal again to the 9th taking a few more years.

The State reply to all these briefs that will argue to keep prostitution illegal should be out soon.

ESPLERP VS GASCÓand.

Amicus Brief is at.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18954

Jamesj

11-07-16, 08:26

Like everything else, wyp is really hit and miss. And given you have to pay for even the misses, it tends not to be particularly cost effective! I had some good experiences on there early on and every so often you do come across a "provider", but more often than not, you find yourself connecting with a fake profile or someone who turns out to just want money to go out socially and have no interest in anything sexual.

If you are looking for a sugarbaby there are some decent prospects, many of whom are open to sexual relationships, but they do like to be spoiled! I came across a gem last spring, an ASU student who had a thing for older men, an oral fixation, and wasn't greedy! It was perfect. Until she transferred out of state this fall.

One rule is that if they don't even look at your profile before making, accepting, or countering an offer, don't bother connecting with them. If they look at your profile first, then there is some hope they are genuine. If they then message you first after an accepted offer, then it is an even better chance. But be clear in your profile what you are seeking. I also make a rule of keeping my offers low-ball and make it clear in my profile that I am willing to re-negotiate depending on what they are open to doing the first date. That probably turns some away, but saves money in the long run. I also ignore girls who make $$ offers. Most of my dates have been for less than. 5, plus costs, and I've doubled it if something more happens (which is rare on first dates, but not impossible).

Good luck and if you find any decent prospects, let us know! I keep looking, hoping, but haven't connected with anyone on there in a while.

Enjoy and stay safe!

RW.Been having a WYP gal visit me in my home.

Chris is mid 30's, white, BBW. Seems fairly normal (intelligent), down on her luck, has a teenage daughter, just trying to make a few extra bucks, she is a smoker but not during session.

Lives in the 35th av. / Thomas area. I have NOT visited her abode as she CANNOT host.

Worked out a deal where she see's me about every 2 weeks, gives a 15-20 minute back massage, then on flip gives a great BBBJ, CIMS every last drop! Session usually 50 min to hour.

No drama, no rush, usually available mid morning to mid afternoon. Cost. 60 per session! Even offered to bring me some home made cookies (LOL).

What a bargain!

JAMESJ.

DavePHX

11-08-16, 00:23

Dangerous Client WARNING.

Why references and screening is so important.

Well known long time worker e-mails me 11/7/2016:

Hello Dave! I hope this finds you well. Xxxxxxxx here in Phoenix / Scottsdale I had a potentially really bad situation happened last night. I went to do an out call against my better judgment. Just about got robbed and beat. I could not verify the guy because he was texting me from one of those Internet text numbers. And then when I asked to speak to him over the phone before I came to him to verify him. He called from a blocked number.

He said he had a bad experience once with a girl contacting his wife. I thought that's feasible. Still very guarded I decided to go because he offered me $1000 to come see him after my normal hours. I got to the location in North East Glendale. The home was dark no lights on at all.

I text him and told him I had arrived it was not getting out of the car he needed to come out to the car because it was dark. He said to go ahead and just come on and he would meet me at the door. At this point I'm getting a little concerned about my safety, I decided to cruise through the neighborhood real quick with my brights on. Cruised back around from the other direction and noticed the old truck in front of his house loaded with garbage had a guy hiding in the back of the truck. Then noticed two other creepy guys crouch down to the side of the truck.

I text the guy told him I was creeped out something was not right. And I was going to leave.

At this point he proceeded to text and call me all kinds of vulgar names, and tell me I was lucky I left because they were going to beat me and rob me and take my Mercedes and money.

I have the photo of the guy he sent but that doesn't mean much who knows if it's even the guy, it was not any of the guys that were standing outside waiting for me. I also have the text number, however it was just an Internet text number I'm sure you can get one of those fairly easy probably throw away. So I don't know if getting that information to you will help anyone else or not.

The whole situation has left me traumatized and freaked out. I'm going to buy a gun and pepper spray today.

Dave notes this is an also example of the harm due to legal status, where bad guys know this is not going to be reported to the police.

Smith123

11-11-16, 13:54

DavePHX

11-12-16, 02:55

On 5/10/2016 the City of Phoenix amended the Catholic Charities contract extending it from ending 6/30/2017 to 9/30/2017 for the winding down period to allow participants to complete the program. No extensions remain on the contract. Catholic Charities was granted an additional $299,009 of additional funding "to continue to provide and monitor rehabilitation services for prostitution offenders. The program offers support, education and treatment to end a lifestyle of prostitution benefiting both the community and the offender, for the Law Department. ".

Dave notes, this is the show the horrors of street hookers and pimps to scare from this "lifestyle". Catholic Charities ran the Project Rose roundups to Bethany Bible Church were woman were given the choice of their rehab indoctrination program and to be for many their pretend victim, or go to jail. It seemed most of the roundups were from ads and reviews for established by at choice woman that didn't want to be rescued or play their victim game for funding. Due to many complaints, the Project Rose roundups were "temporally suspended" a few years ago.

I do not know if the John's conversion program is still running or how often the diversion is offered to gals vs the mandatory 15-days minimum in jail (usually Tent City). They current enforcement emphasis seems to be on criminal enterprise felony cases if two people work together, have helper, driver, etc with many massage and agency busts over the last few years. Most of these cases result in felony pleas, although many are currently in progress in Maricopa Superior Court.

Higgs Boson

11-12-16, 03:39

In town for a few weeks, and went to the mint, other night. Lots of potential, seems like a few of the ladies seem to want to make some extra money for college. Any of you guys ever try anything there.I'll plead ignorance. Provide more information and background. Is this a Scottsdale nightclub?

Higgs.

DrPoon

11-12-16, 10:40

In the Czech Republic the other day. Crossed over the border and then got an $18 hotel room. Very cheap sub sandwiches at the Shell Station highly recommended had some sort of pickle large chunks plus half hard boiled egg plus regular meats. Coke Lite and carbonated water probably all less than $5 when factoring in conversion rate. They have their own money called the koruna. Aye koruna?

Eager which is the place referred to by Germans. However, Czechs stole this town after WWII from Germany and then renamed it to Cheb. Anyway, just was walking around the main square in older zentrum area about 9 pm Seems to be alot of shady characters with hooded jackets. One sort of seemed to be following me but luckily I had my hooded sweat jacket as well and I put my hood up then he started to bug out and did not follow me anymore. Maybe a secret society of hooded jacket wearers there? Then I went up to a hotel to check it out and the reception desk was vacant. There was a sign pointing to some flyers advertising "special" massage. Then later I went to two brothels to check out the girls but none of them were that attractive especially compared to Germany (trip report to follow).

A little later was cruising around and picked up and later I asked her if she spoke English and she did. She looked like a light skinned Romanian but she claimed to be Czech. I was not really interested in a session with her but she then mentioned I could meet her sister instead. Ok she gave directions to what appeared to be a low income housing complex with a lot of shady characters hanging outside. A darker non-Czech guy with a large cross on his necklace comes out. Another guy is scene running like a bat out of hell out of the apartment complex. A car with German plates is seen idling in front of me and after I drop her off for her to get her sister I drove around and check out the occupants in the car and they do not appear to be Germans. Then several other people outside wearing hooded jackets. Seems sketchy. Then she asked for 100 euros. I said that she said I could have seen her for 20 euros which she previously quoted me so how is her sister now 5 times more expensive? Then she asks for 50 euros. Then the guy with the cross necklace comes up to the car and starts up a sales pitch to me. I then am like ok well maybe I will come back or cancel as this seems sketchy and ask for her sister to come out or at least meet first. Then I begin to suspect that it is somewhat sketchy and then bug out because I could not take her to a third location for safety.

Later a hot blonde girl is walking and I start talking to but she only speaks German and Czech and not English.

Smith123

11-12-16, 14:25

I'll plead ignorance. Provide more information and background. Is this a Scottsdale nightclub?

Higgs.Yeah scottsdale, sorry I guess someone that's not from that area, but visit, I consider the whole area one big city.

Higgs Boson

11-13-16, 03:22

Yeah scottsdale, sorry I guess someone that's not from that area, but visit, I consider the whole area one big city.I know a good chunk of the Valley but I'm not into the "nightclub" scene. When there is a touring performer / group I'm interested in visiting, I like to hit live music venues such as the Crescent Ballroom, Valley Bar, Rhythm Room, Rebel Lounge, Last Exit Live, etc. It it's any help, yes, you can meet single women at these places too.

Higgs.

AzskyDiver

11-16-16, 17:44

Kinda short on time so I'll just park this here.

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-news/217912463-story

DavePHX

11-17-16, 07:04

Backpage owners case likely to be dismissed but AG will probably Appeal.

A California judge said he was likely to dismiss criminal pimping charges against the chief executive and controlling shareholders of Backpage, ruling that a federal immunity shield for tech companies protected them from prosecution for content posted by third parties.

The defendants argued that the ads on Backpage were posted by third parties and that the state offered no evidence that the defendants knew ads placed by escort services were solicitations for sex. Under the federal Communications Decency Act, the defendants argued that they could not be prosecuted for content posted by third parties. In a tentative ruling a Sacramento County Superior Court Judge agreed, saying Congress passed the Communications Decency Act to protect free speech online. "Congress has spoken on this matter and it is for Congress, not this Court, to revisit. ".

AG office countered that the case was about conduct, not freedom of speech, and that Backpage had been expressly designed to profit from sexual exploitation, which made the defendants content creators, not merely publishers.

The judge said the AG's office could file additional briefs on the issue and that he would make a final ruling by Dec. 9. The judge set a deadline of November 28 for AG to present additional evidence, and December 5 for the defense to respond.

Judge Writes:

That legitimate state interest is not absolute, however, and must be constrained by the interests and protections of the First Amendment to the USA Constitution. In that vein, the United States Congress created the Communications Decency Act 47 USC section 230. The importance of the protection afforded by the First Amendment was the motivating factor behind the creation of CDA. Congress stuck a balance in favor of free speech in that Congress did not wish to hold liable online publishers for the action of publishing third party speech and thus provided for both a foreclosure from prosecution and an affirmative defense at trial. Congress has spoken on this matter and it is for Congress, not this Court, to revisit.

California's pimping statute "does not apply to an individual who provides a legitimate professional service to a prostitute even if paid with proceeds earned from prostitution," he noted. Rather, the provider of the service garners income from his or her own services rendered, not the prostitute's.

"There is no dispute that Backpage charged money for the placement of advertisements. Does this qualify as services rendered for legal purposes? Given the services provided by the online publisher, the answer to that question is yes. Providing a forum for online publishing is a recognized legal purpose that is generally provided immunity under the CDA. This immunity has been extended by the courts to apply to functions traditionally associated with publishing decisions, such as accepting payment for services and editing. ".

Pointedly, the judge wrote that the prostitution that forms the basis of the state's case "took place as a result of an advertisement placed by a third party. Backpage's decision to charge money to allow a third party to post content, as well as any decisions regarding posting rules, search engines and information on how a user can increase ad visibility are all traditional publishing decisions and are generally immunized under the CDA. In short, the victimization resulted from the third party's placement of the ad, not because Backpage profiting from the ad placement. ".

The judge likewise rejected the prosecution's argument that because Backpage had allegedly reposted ads on two affiliated sites — EvilEmpire.com and BigCity.com — it had thereby become a creator of content, not just the content's publisher: "Republication is entitled to immunity under the CDA. ".

The AG will probably appeal.

DavePHX

12-01-16, 07:34

Sample of Phoenix Court felony cases as of 11/30/2016.

All names are just first names for privacy.

Thai Escort Incall.

I last reported on arrest in May 2016. Incall at apartment in area of Baseline in Hardy Dr.

Indictments followed for Erik and Patcharin (female). Added to the felony indictment was Ratchanok (female).

On 11/7/2016 Ratchanok pled guilty for one count of money laundering, a class 3 felony. In exchanged for the plea deal criminal enterprise and four counts of receiving money from prostitution were dismissed. Sentencing is set for 12/14/2016.

The other two defendants face more counts and charges. Next conference set for 12/14 also. Trial set for 1/3 but these dates are often continued.

Rose Garden.

Hanna and Sinae have not yet pled. 3 others previously pled to felonies and given 2 years probation.

For both: 11/17/2016 Conference: A Donald advisement on potential prison terms given if plea rejected. Trial expected to take 5-7 days, with 10-12 witnesses and one expert witness. 2 witness interviews have been completed with the rest left to do. An interpreter (Korean) will be required for trial. There will be 8 jurors and 2 alternates.

A motion in limine is anticipated. Jury instructions have not been agreed upon. Juror notebooks will be given.

Final Trial Management set for 1/12/2017 with trial on January 19. These dates are often continued.

Studio.

11/8/2016 Motion granted for Defendant to no longer be his own pro per attorney and Rick P. Will act as attorney. 11/15 Trial date vacated and continue to 1/9/2017. Final Trial Management conference 1/3 and management conference 12/13 at which time juror questionnaires and exhibit list will be due. Prior advisory counsel to turn over all files within 10 days. Defendant request for a new investigator be provided granted and has been assigned by the Office of Public Defense services. Defendant remains in Towers jail awaiting trial.

11/22/2016 State filed Motion in Limine to Preclude Any First Amendment Based Defenses.

Studio worker gals. Separate from owner.

For Monica, Amanda, Michelle, Taeru, Adrina, Danielle, Shellby, Samer and Amber sentencing continued on 11/15 to 1/5/2017. There have been a long series of continuances which may indicate they have testimonial agreements against Studio owner whose case continues. Sentencing as in the Temple case may keep getting continued until any trial for owner William.

For Serena, Erica and Tammie discharged from probation of 18 months since pled and sentenced long ago.

Hanna P.

Arrested for murder of maybe a client. Some have reported use to work for Phx Fantasy and was known escort. She shot 31 year old male on 21st floor of the Summit Copper Square complex according to abc15 news May 2, 2016. It appears she called 911 and claimed it was self defense.

There are no further court records other than the initial search warrant of the apt and her car.

I am deleting her from my court felony case monitoring and assume the police accepted that it was self defense and no charges were filed.

Club Lace.

As previously reported 3 were found guilty at trial and a 4 gals earlier took plea deals.

Adam. Sentenced on 11/23/2016 to minimum allowed under mandatory sentencing of 4. 5 years in prison with presentence incarceration credit of 82 days. Class 3 felony of Money Laundering (depositing prostitution fees in bank) in the 2nd degree for offenses from 3/9/2009 to 5/14/2014.

11/22/2016 - Stephen. Sentencing of 11/18 vacated and continued with a mitigation hearing to 1/13/2017 with 90 minutes time allotted. Long prison term expected.

Robert- Sentencing / mitigation hearing continued to 12/16 with 2 hours time allotted.

Devi Fe Fay Mind and Body Massage.

Still 11 indicted, 8 arrested and 3 arrest warrants still outstanding.

Xenia, Garcia, Herrera, Berenice and Cristal's hearing's continued until 12/16 after 11/16 date vacated.

Martha and Virginia still have bench warrants when failed to appear at their arraignments.

Others set for 12/20 and has "complex case" designation is deferred pending how the cases progress.

Tiana, Crua was latest to be arraigned with conference for 11/28 and pre-trial 12/5.

Cristal's attorney moved to withdraw and Office of Public Defense appointed another attorney. Also filed motions to have designated a complex case, and to challenge Grand Jury proceedings which is often routine motion that gets denied.

Relaxation Station Massage.

Still 8 indicted with 2 outstanding arrest warrants.

Cara on 11/10 hearing on motion to dismiss and remand claiming was her first day and knew nothing but State witness says "she had her finger in his rectum" (reported in Oct). Since hearing was not with the trial judge deferred ruling until Judge McCoy can rule.

Cara made oral request for a conference regarding pending discovery and release of cell phone seized. Request denied.

Cara requests State arrange for a witness to be interviewed by defense counsel. State objects. Request denied.

Cara requests disclosure from cell phone record. State indicates the cell phone extract will be disclosed no later than next week.

Cara advised on current plea offer by the State and the range of sentences if found guilty at trial.

Alexandria given plea offer and range of sentences.

11/29 Conference before Judge McCoy.

Dave attended. Judge McCoy is very laid back, soft spoken but seems fair and explained details to each defendant with time to ask any questions etc.

Alexandria- pled to a Class 4 felony designated which means it cannot be later reduced to a misdemeanor. She will be sentenced on 1/10/2017. As the judge pointed out to her, under mandatory sentencing, the guideline is 1 year in prison, with the minimum 6 months and $500 fine. It is up to the judge. She will probably get 6-12 months or probation depending on what the pre-sentence report shows. But she will be a felon for life. Has a job in California and judge granted permission to travel as long as back for sentencing.

Kimberly. Working on plea, continue to 1/10/2017 with trial in early March.

Cara. Morton to dismiss denied. Rejects plea offer. Continued to 1/10.

Melissa. Wants more time to consider plea offer. Continued to 1/10.

Joanna. Settlement (Plea) conference 12/5 otherwise continued to 1/10.

Aleena. Continue to 1/10.

Red Mountain Day Spa.

Sandra pled class 3 felony illegal control of enterprise and sentenced to 3 years probation. Usual conditions including shall not own, operate, manage or be employed in the message of sex industry.

Earle final pre-trial 1/9/17 with trial 1/17/17.

Nothing new on Jennifer since 9/30 when settlement conference was vacated. Not yet pled.

Laura pled to felony but may have ICE issue. Was to be sentenced to probation but don't have how many years.

Shangri-La Massage.

Min pled to Class 5 felony Operating or Maintaining a house of prostitution. 11/29 Notice of felony sent to massage licensing board. 11/29 Sentenced to 2 years probation for getting $40 massage fee and offering "manual sex" for $80.4 other counts dismissed for plea. Is a USA Citizen.

NEW never seen before: "White collar" sentencing conditions it seems for dismissal of money laundering charge (when turn in to parlor or deposit money from customer. See other discussion of the white collar crime conditions.

Nothing new on other 3 still not pled next conference 12/13/2016.

Amazing Spa Tempe.

4 indicted. Nothing new just usual routine filings and continuances. Next hearing 1/9/2017.

Michael B. Driver for escorts.

Drove Crystal and her sister to various appointments at different locations. Age 63- Pled to transportation for prostitution, a Class 6 felony. Sentenced to 1-year probation.

Robert are. Massage Parlor.

Charged in August 2016 for operating house of prostitution, procuring, pandering, receiving earnings and criminal enterprise. Operated in Chandler at 7 xx and Hazelton Dr, which was his home where he converted a bedroom into a massage room. Had hidden camera recording sessions.

State notice of witnesses includes 7 Chandler PD, and 1 citizen.

Initial Pre-trial was 11/1/2016. Next is 1/4/2017 Judge Rea.

Julian for Pandering.

Placed ads in Spanish massage magazine and took 50% split of income for gals working out of his apartment. Did both incalls near 70th Ave and Indian School and outcall's. Told gals didn't have to perform sex but had to supply their own condoms.

Moved to Phoenix in 1991 from Mexico on temporary residence status. ICE reports is subject to removal proceedings.

Pled to pandering felony. Sentenced to six months in jail with credit for 149 days of time served plus 18 months probation.

Charles and Helen F agency or incall.

Both took plea for operating a house of prostitution felony class 6, with other counts dismissed.

Both did not show up for sentencing and an arrest warrant was issued. Last known address in Scottsdale mailed summons was returned as not there.

Earlier indictment of Katelyn for receiving earnings of prostitution was dismissed by the State. May have been owner of home where they paid rent but am not sure.

Marcus O. For Pandering.

Fast plea deal from June 2016 indictment. For Class 5 felony pandering. Don't have all the details of case. Sentenced 11/16/2016 to 3-years probation after serves 120 days in jail. As condition can not use, own computer or communicate on the Internet.

Concepcion & Allexus.

As previously reported State moved in October to revoke Concepcion's release after posting $50 k bail due to DUI arrest in Oregon when ordered not to leave Arizona. On 11/9/2016 an arrest warrant was issued and all pending dates canceled. Has a bond forfeiture hearing for the bonding company on 1/24. So there may be a bail bonds mean guy out hunting for him also.

Allexus still has sentencing on felony plea for pandering on 12/6. Granted new attorney from the Office of Public Defense.

Sunset Strip.

No updated information since the June 2016 raid and arrests of six. Search warrants only in court records. Either there was no indictment or arrest warrants are out and none have been found. One male and five females.

Phoenix Temple. Tracy Appeals.

On 11/29/2016 the last day for current extensions another extension was granted for the about 60 outstanding transcripts.

Next due date is 1/3/2017. All the outstanding transcripts are from reporter Michael.

During November reporter Marla filed 10 transcripts for various trial dates.

There has been no appeals brief filed yet by Tracy's attorney nor State reply since all of the brief due dates get extended and time to file doesn't start until all lower court transcripts are filed.

Once the transcripts are filed, then appeals briefs from both State and Tracy and then seems it takes about 1-2 years for a decision.

Nothing heard in the last month or so from Tracy in prison, kids or friends that may have visited her.

DavePHX

12-01-16, 23:35

An agency that takes the law seriously says (with my modifications).

What can the Companion and I do?

You can go out to dinner. If you wish to drink, you can share some wine from a bottle which is unopened at the beginning of your encounter. You can take a walk along the Tempe Mall. You can have a date. You can gaze lovingly into each others' eyes. You can stay in and cuddle, sharing stories and finding solace in each other's arms in this difficult world. You can play cribbage or tiddlywinks. The government in Arizona says you cannot have sex.

Arizona has outlawed sexual consent between two adults, in their bedrooms, who've exchanged money. If you ask your escort for sex, she is required by law to decline if based on any fee arrangement.

Do you keep my information?

No we do not keep information unless you are a bad client.

Can I use your agency as a reference with other providers?

Yes, of course. We will require your written authorization prior to disclosing any information to another provider for your privacy. We only provide references if you have used our services within the past calendar year. Asking for a reference dating back to 1984 isn't fair to our colleagues.

Dave notes, all companions / escorts are required to have an escort license in Arizona and license number on all ads and carry their escort I'd card with them on all appointments. Detailed records are required with positive I'd of each client, what did (nothing sexual of course) etc. I have yet to see an ad that complied or heard of any licenses being issued.

Our government at work to fight pleasures and against safer sexuality for its citizens.

Until the 9th Circuit rules on the ESPLERP v Gascon Declaratory Action that challenges the prostitution law as unconstitutional for in private consenting adults, there can be no "fee arrangement" for anything sexual or ads that are solicitations of sex acts including GFE or worse.

The illegal situation of consenting adults increases harm to both the companion and customer as we have seen often in Phoenix.

Bad customers have raped, assaulted, thefted and used counterfeit money since they know the companion will not report to the police.

Customers have been assaulted by boyfriends, goons, gangs of companions, stolen from etc. , again since usually will not be reported to the police.

Unlike in Canada where even with C-36 most major police agencies follow the harm reduction model and not go after private consenting adults. Harm reduction is why the Supreme Court of Canada ruled incall, receiving income, and solicitation laws were unconstitutional under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Outcall has always been legal.

9th Circuit footnotes.

The ESPLERP case challenges the California prostitution law which is similar to Arizona and we are also in the 9th Circuit. If successful it probably can be able to be used as a defense in Arizona and other states in the 9th District.

This is not legal advice. I am not a lawyer and any legal advice should be from a competent attorney.

DrPoon

12-02-16, 02:30

In my dream, the tiddly wink session went well. Tiddly and winking was not bare with no party hats. After the winking we rested a bit and changed positions. I recommend this provider and treat her well.

Desert Rat

12-03-16, 02:05

Dkuym1

12-04-16, 03:04

Ladies and Gentleman I feel the time has come to bug out. After seeing Charles Keating, Ed Meese, and Tipper Gore attempt to force their morality on me I am concerned about what will happen on January 20th. The folks who brought you those earlier crusades will have power in less than 50 days. I wish all of you a happy and healthy four years. My concrete bunker equipped with provisions and high speed internet will be safe and secure for the next administration.When Bush wrecked the economy (750,000 jobs lost per month) I saw a real increase in UTR babes and had the time of my life. After Obama rebuilt the economy I've noticed fewer and fewer and (zero) UTR gals around my neck of the woods which is far far away from Phoenix. I'm about to move to Phoenix and after reading these cases am scared to death to attempt any type of fun. If Trump has his way we will look back at the Bush years as the good-ole-days but it will be worse, as his Prison-For-Profit buddies will be locking up people left and right. God help us all.

PoonHound602

12-07-16, 21:52

When Bush wrecked the economy (750,000 jobs lost per month) I saw a real increase in UTR babes and had the time of my life. After Obama rebuilt the economy I've noticed fewer and fewer and (zero) UTR gals around my neck of the woods which is far far away from Phoenix. I'm about to move to Phoenix and after reading these cases am scared to death to attempt any type of fun. If Trump has his way we will look back at the Bush years as the good-ole-days but it will be worse, as his Prison-For-Profit buddies will be locking up people left and right. God help us all.Stay out of Phoenix. We don't need any more delusional idiots fleeing the mess they created elsewhere.

Msteresc

12-08-16, 20:16

Stay out of Phoenix. We don't need any more delusional idiots fleeing the mess they created elsewhere.Keep going to nogales they won't mind a right wing Democrat. You could run for office, get involved and save Mexico, in your eye it's to late to save us.

DavePHX

12-09-16, 16:24

Pimp with Gun Robberies. Aries.

Various warnings.

Same description different address used to lure Johns. After meet gal, customers robbed at gunpoint.

165 x and 95th street Tolleson.

839 x W lynnwood St. , Phoenix.

Phones used: 480-450-093 x 602-679-308 x.

623-745-652 x.

2 men with guns robbed a number of clients.

#1 Brn hair, Brn eyes Black African, slim 20-25 yrs old. Muscular.

Mack 100 Tattoo On Neck.

Car seen: Red Camaro.

Another report guy have Aries $200 and she stole $800 from wallet and left with her pimp in a red car. Same description.

An example of the risks when consenting adults is legal and bad folks take advantage of legal situation since know won't report to police. Decriminalization = Harm Reduction like the Canadian model and other countries.

Ad on many sites. Latest found in November 2016.

& Fun, BUT ALWAYS VERY DISCRETE. AVAILABE To All You Well Groomed & Mature GENTLEMEN Out There Who Are Looking To Have Some Clean, Pleasurable Playtime W / No Strings Or Drama Attached! I provide a quality experience and MY ONly mission is to PLEASE YOU! Treat Yourself To What You Deserve & let me be your guilty pleasure.

SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY PLEASE!!

NO BLOCKED CALLS??

ArIeS.

602.679. 308 x #281384.

She does have some positive reviews also from 2015 and one from October 2016 along with the being robbed reports by others.

Fanny Fan

12-10-16, 05:40

An example of the risks when consenting adults is legal and bad folks take advantage of legal situation since know won't report to police. Decriminalization = Harm Reduction like the Canadian model and other countries.I pretty sure Dave meant that to read "...when consenting adults is illegal...".

Decriminalization = Harm Reduction.

Legalize prostitution now!

DrPoon

12-11-16, 17:23

What about this one she is and the general area and listed as a private residence:

She would not comply with protocols.

http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/juicy-pyt-ready-to-play/44306937

Also people can report an armed robbery probably without consequences because the precedent was in the jiu jitsu that the victim of the robbery was protected by the government. I think also you can just report the crime itself without getting into a prostitution charge if you are just meeting for time and without a contract for sex in exchange for money. The government doesn't like hobbyists but it also doesn't like guns so I think that would put the government in a good conundrum and make it choose to hate armed robbers more.

Pimp with Gun Robberies. Aries.

Various warnings.

Same description different address used to lure Johns. After meet gal, customers robbed at gunpoint.

165 x and 95th street Tolleson.

839 x W lynnwood St. , Phoenix.

Phones used: 480-450-093 x 602-679-308 x.

623-745-652 x.

2 men with guns robbed a number of clients.

#1 Brn hair, Brn eyes Black African, slim 20-25 yrs old. Muscular.

Mack 100 Tattoo On Neck.

Car seen: Red Camaro.

Another report guy have Aries $200 and she stole $800 from wallet and left with her pimp in a red car. Same description.

An example of the risks when consenting adults is legal and bad folks take advantage of legal situation since know won't report to police. Decriminalization = Harm Reduction like the Canadian model and other countries.

Ad on many sites. Latest found in November 2016.

& Fun, BUT ALWAYS VERY DISCRETE. AVAILABE To All You Well Groomed & Mature GENTLEMEN Out There Who Are Looking To Have Some Clean, Pleasurable Playtime W / No Strings Or Drama Attached! I provide a quality experience and MY ONly mission is to PLEASE YOU! Treat Yourself To What You Deserve & let me be your guilty pleasure.

SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY PLEASE!!

NO BLOCKED CALLS??

ArIeS.

602.679. 308 x #281384.

She does have some positive reviews also from 2015 and one from October 2016 along with the being robbed reports by others.

DavePHX

12-12-16, 04:47

Also people can report an armed robbery probably without consequences because the precedent was in the jiu jitsu that the victim of the robbery was protected by the government. I think also you can just report the crime itself without getting into a prostitution charge if you are just meeting for time and without a contract for sex in exchange for money. The government doesn't like hobbyists but it also doesn't like guns so I think that would put the government in a good conundrum and make it choose to hate armed robbers more.Yah sure. You really think an escort is going to want that discussion. LE will want ALL the details on how met etc.

Remember at least 12 gals were almost killed, raped and robbed and all were too scared of LE to report it until I got involved contacting Sgt Bruce Scottsdale PD and only with his and my assurances got some to come forward with a police report. Then gal calling me at 2 AM with his goons threatening her in CA. Phx AG offered police protection since she was a trial witness. Fortunately, he is now in prison for over 100 years after jury convicted. But even almost murder (choke hold till passed out), the escorts were too afraid of police to report it.

In the current ILlegal situation this is the harm that gals deal with wihen they are more afraid of the police than the attackers, rapists, robbers and those that pass counterfeit money. Or the fake cop a few months ago wanting sex or would arrest a bunch of online gals. All sorts of bad thing happen when private consenting sex is a crime.

DrPoon

12-12-16, 10:29

Sounds like really bad pimping gone awry. The Mac 100 guy probably has some sort of emotional connection to the provider which means the provider is a co-conspirator in the armed robberies because otherwise he would just force her to provide instead of robbing the clients. Definately the provider is in on this. He probably has a felony record or at least a juvenelle record which makes him a prohibited prosessor, which shows the government is failing to keep us safe with its gun control policies. I imagine he came across the provider and then became attached to her and started to do the robberies in lieu of her providing. Why is he choosing the neighborhood could it be for houses or apartment which are unoccupied or vacant or does he have a connection to the local gangs in this area probably although the black gangs should be further north.

Also note the ads which have texting only are robbery ads or stings because the armed robbery is texting instead of allowing the provider to speak over the phone.

Yah sure. You really think an escort is going to want that discussion. LE will want ALL the details on how met etc.

Remember at least 12 gals were almost killed, raped and robbed and all were too scared of LE to report it until I got involved contacting Sgt Bruce Scottsdale PD and only with his and my assurances got some to come forward with a police report. Then gal calling me at 2 AM with his goons threatening her in CA. Phx AG offered police protection since she was a trial witness. Fortunately, he is now in prison for over 100 years after jury convicted. But even almost murder (choke hold till passed out), the escorts were too afraid of police to report it.

In the current ILlegal situation this is the harm that gals deal with wihen they are more afraid of the police than the attackers, rapists, robbers and those that pass counterfeit money. Or the fake cop a few months ago wanting sex or would arrest a bunch of online gals. All sorts of bad thing happen when private consenting sex is a crime.

Stomp2

12-12-16, 19:35

DavePHX

12-15-16, 02:48

Know what the enemy is saying. Backlash against the ESLERP 9th Circuit case with the usual propaganda that decrim results in more victims.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/legal-courts/2016/12/14/why-californias-prostitution-ban-needs-to-stay-in-place

Call Me Slappy

12-16-16, 11:28

DrPoon

12-16-16, 11:44

Technically anything West of Central would be west valley but generally it would be West of 19th Avenue or as you say, I-17. West valley certainly includes any 623 area code location and the Avondale, Glendale, Peoria would be West Valley and some parts could be considered NW Valley.

Again I don't understand why people visit here if you are from ORD you have a direct flight to TXL so that would be a much better use of your vacation.

Chicago boy here who visits 3-4 x a year, and I still don't know this, probably because different folks have different definitions?

WTF defines the "West Valley"? Is is a generic term for anything west of 17? Or is it anything west of 75th? Or actually the cities of Avondale, Glendale, Peoria, etc?

I've gone to incalls from Avondale to damn near downtown, and they all advertised as West Valley.

I'd just like to cut down on windshield time getting to and from my playdate!

Danimal Forth

12-16-16, 13:39

Chicago boy here who visits 3-4 x a year, and I still don't know this, probably because different folks have different definitions?

WTF defines the "West Valley"? Is is a generic term for anything west of 17? Or is it anything west of 75th? Or actually the cities of Avondale, Glendale, Peoria, etc?

I've gone to incalls from Avondale to damn near downtown, and they all advertised as West Valley.I would argue that it roughly starts about I-17. You may know that Phoenix street numbering has a east-west division split by a central street that runs through downtown. I think the Phoenix core itself is generally excluded from the WV / EV distinction. We'd think of that in terms more like north, south and central. It's somewhat loose though and as you've noticed the areas are very large. Even single cities like Scottsdale and Mesa span a lot of miles so knowing that doesn't always mean much.

I think most of the issue here is those ads are using keywords to rope in search hits and the girls aren't so great at geography in the first place.

DavePHX

12-16-16, 19:45

I don't understand why people visit here if you are from ORD you have a direct flight to TXL so that would be a much better use of your vacation.Yah if you want to pay $1500+ in airfare and spend 15 hours traveling! What direct flights to TXL? I don't find any but didn't do much searching.

I have been researching FKK clubs most. Why in Frankfurt. Sharks etc. , but decided to just stick with Toronto for adult options.

Lyle416

12-18-16, 02:13

Technically anything West of Central would be west valley but generally it would be West of 19th Avenue or as you say, I-17. West valley certainly includes any 623 area code location and the Avondale, Glendale, Peoria would be West Valley and some parts could be considered NW Valley.

Again I don't understand why people visit here if you are from ORD you have a direct flight to TXL so that would be a much better use of your vacation.Just curious why direct him to TXL?

Yah if you want to pay $1500+ in airfare and spend 15 hours traveling! What direct flights to TXL? I don't find any but didn't do much searching.

I have been researching FKK clubs most. Why in Frankfurt. Sharks etc. , but decided to just stick with Toronto for adult options.How's the scene in Toronto?

DavePHX

12-18-16, 07:53

Bust: 12 More Men Face Felony Charges for Posting to Web Forum 'The Review Board'.

Arizona passed the same type of law in 2014 or 2015 for promoting or assisting. The locally run Phoenix boards all shut down not willing to take the risk of a felony for promoting or having ads that are promoting or assisting.

The area has previously prosecuted more than a dozen men in 2016 for online speech related to prostitution.

Dec. 13,2016.

At least twelve more men face felony charges in Washington for posting comments to the now-defunct web forum known as The Review Board -TRB-. The dozen defendants, face one count each of promoting prostitution in the second degree—a charge historically used to target people who profit off of the prostitution of others but more recently favored by King County prosecutors to go after people who write positively online about area prostitution.

Prior to this new wave of charges, the King County Sheriff's Office has already prosecuted more than a dozen men in 2016 for what amounts to little more than online speech related to prostitution. Many of those men accepted plea deals after the county threatened to add additional charges and a sexual-motivation enhancement (I. E. , more prison time and sex-offender status if convicted) for anyone who attempted to fight back but give those who plead guilty lenient sentencing. After initially portraying these men as a despicable ring of international sex-slave circulators, King County wound up letting most of them off with a bit of community service or electronic-home monitoring and an admission to posting on TheReviewBoard.net while knowing that it might "advance" prostitution.

The individuals whose prostitution was advanced on TRB included mostly independent, adult sex workers who also advertised their own services on the site, and some adult (mostly Asian) women who were in town temporarily working at escort agencies and had ads posted by booker.

In the latest batch of TRB-related arrests, defendants are accused of basically the same activity as the first group: reviewing Seattle-area escorts on TRB, messaging other members about local sex workers, and emailing with sex workers themselves about appointments. Granted, TRB posts do tend to describe semi-graphic sexual activity although not necessarily sex; some review providers of "full body sensual massages" who don't do "full service" appointments.

This is, of course, part of the evil genius of how King County is going after people who pay for sex. With the "promoting prostitution" charge, law enforcement needn't show that defendants actually engaged in pay-to-play sexual activity themselves. All they must show is that the men "advanced" the prostitution careers of others by saying positive things about them online.

Of course, at many points throughout the overall investigation, King County deputies and cops from the Bellevue Police Department also posted graphic sexual reviews to TRB of real local sex-workers, messaged with other TRB members about them, and arranged appointments with them. According to these agencies, whose officers met undercover for many prostitution appointments, undercover cops always ducked out of "dates" before any sexual activity could go down. But that still means that the exact same activity undercover cops routinely engaged in is, too, the only activity police allege of most defendants in charging documents. If these defendants harmed the people prosecutors describe as "exploited" and "prostituted" women through such activity, it would seem King County cops are guilty of doing the same, for years.

But in certifications for determination of probable cause against new defendants, authorities present no evidence that the women these men "promoted" were being exploited, other than the mere fact that the women were engaging in sex work at all. At least a couple of the "prostituted women" mentioned in charging documents are prominent sex-worker rights activists. In the Certification for the Determination of Probable Cause against one defendant, emails from nonprofit advocacy groups such as the Sex Worker's Outreach Project -SWOP- and Center for Sex Positive Culture are even presented among evidence.

Clients of Sex Workers Allied for Change (CoSWAC) issued a Tuesday statement "condemning this continuing crusade" and expressing solidarity "for those being arraigned tomorrow. We call on the King County prosecutor's office to put an end to this fiasco, and work to find real solutions for public safety, including the safety of sex workers in the Seattle area," it said. "We call on the people of Seattle to examine all facts before rushing to judgment, and to join us and the sex worker community in advocating for more humane and effective alternatives. ".

Highlights from reason.com/ blog /2016/12/13/12-more-charges-in-trb-prostitution-casehttp.

Call Me Slappy

12-20-16, 13:08

Again I don't understand why people visit here if you are from ORD you have a direct flight to TXL so that would be a much better use of your vacation.Believe it or not, people travel for other things besides getting laid.

I guess I just got this image in my head of someone standing outside the passenger drop off at Sky Harbor with a sign saying "IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TXL YOU'RE WASTING YOUR VACATION!" and yelling at guys, berating them for their choice of destination.

"MILWAUKEE! ARE YOU FRIGGIN' KIDDING ME? WHY THE HELL ARE YOU GOING THERE?

"LITTLE ROCK? JESUS, WHERE DO I BEGIN WITH THAT ONE?

Head Banger

12-20-16, 21:13

DrPoon

12-21-16, 06:49

But the fbi already is monitoring internet choke points within the USA so even if the server is located somewhere else they can monitor who is posting a review I think. So do not post any reviews relating to a sex for money transaction. Also I noted a truck parked outside my place the other day and I walked by it and someone was sleeping so I think this could be an agent so I went in and deleted my history and wiped my hard drive just to be safe.

Seriously, you're a fucking idiot Schwantz. You have less than no idea how networking works.

Honestly calling you an idiot is an insult to idiots the world over.

A2

Head Banger

12-21-16, 15:38

Dave, or anyone who knows, I heard the 12 guys recently busted in Seattle got nabbed because their reviews had their Internet ISP info which LEO traced back to their homes. Even if they were writing fictitious stories they were all charge with felony crimes. And you say that Arizona has the same law which lets LEO do the same thing?

1st off, how safe are we on this site? Isn't USA something LEO can't get into?

2nd, isn't there a statute of limitations for how long ago something happens to where LEO can't go after you for something like this? Something like a year?

Seriously, we're just writing entertaining stories, so they can go after us for that? So much for free speech.

Agggg this shit is making me crazy because you guys keep posting about it. Not you in specific but everybody.

Those fucking guys got involved with running the fucking site. You are posting on an anonymous review board who's servers are outside the US. It is not at all the same thing.

Let me ask you a question. Who is Head Banger? I don't know. You have been posting here forever and I have no fucking idea who you are. If I (guy who has access to the server) have no idea who you are and couldn't find you if I wanted to, how can anybody? Where would LEO get your IP?

First those guys started meeting en mass in reality, then got involved with running the site, then go involved in the business of the chicks. They weren't just writing reviews.

A2It's really good to know that the USA site is outside, and that you are helping to keep our identities protected A2 thanks.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know about networking, but know that the latest Seattle guys were nabbed by LEO finding their isp, and then going to cox or Comcast and finding out the billing address from those up addresses. Many of the recent guys busted didn't even go to the meet and greets. Also, only a few of the guys were actually helping the consensual adult women with places to stay and finances. The rest were guys who met them and liked to write stories about them. The media and LEO are making it out be a crime sydicate or saying it was trafficking when it wasn't. The local judges up there are also rubber stamping whatever the prosecutors want. It's pretty f'd up and something that has never happened like this before in the US.

Not yelling at you but I do know networking and while I don't doubt that's the story you heard or red I would bet lots and lots and lots of fucking money that's not what happened in reality. Going from an IP address to a physical address isn't anywhere near as easy as they make it look in the movies.

Where did they get the IP address, from what server? Then there is any number of defenses, mostly starting with "I didn't do it, the IP info might say that I did and here is a list of 3,000 sites that let other people spoof their IP address, one of them must have used mine."

As far as the writing, just writing, "writing about hookers turns me on, I would write and fap it's what I do but nothing ever came from it." The 1st Amendment still applies.

Now, if these guys didn't have the balls to fight then maybe they accepted a deal and maybe like McCarthy in the 50's the owners of that site turned over a list to help themselves but I fucking guarantee you it wasn't "just writing reviews."

None of what happened there could happen here. We have ZERO information about you guys. I couldn't fuck you over like that if I wanted to.

A2

PS, in the future, don't feed the troll.

DavePHX

12-22-16, 08:57

Head Banger.

Of course I do not suggest or encourage prostitution. Never pay for sex in the USA This isn't Germany, Canada or most of the world with more consenting adult freedoms.

I don't know how the 12 (and more previously) got nabbed for reviews. IP addresses can be traced to a computer but not the human typing on a keyboard. A review board hosted outside the USA Is not a guarantee LE can't demand information on users, as long as there is a "control person" in the USA That can be served.

I believe the statute of limitations is six years in AZ for felonies, only one year for misdemeanors.

If someone is violating the prostitution laws it is much easier to charge the gals. I have seen lots of TER and some other board posts used in probably cause statements for felony indictments against massage parlors, agencies etc. I believe all the major boards are looked at by LE. We know P411 has been used by LE getting membership and giving references for sting operation gals etc.

While I am not aware of any Arizona cases where guys have been charged just from forum posts like recently such arrests in Seattle it may be possible in Arizona.

Arizona law was expanded in 2014 with the current witch hunt for sex trafficking as the excuse with lots of grant money and Catholic Charities funding by Phoenix for the "victim industry. ".

The concern is the felony provisions and long statute of limitations vs. Just one-year statute on a simple prostitution charge.

Enticement may be a concern under A. Are. S. 13-3201 (2014) includes enticing someone to any place for the purposes of prostitution which is a class 6 felony. If a favorable review, or a referral "enticing" someone to hire a prostitute it would seem to be a possible violation of this criminal law.

Also of possible concern is the "preparatory crimes" under ARS 13-1001 Attempted classifications which include conduct that aids another to commit an offense whether its committed or not. Or ARS 13-1002 also includes simply has the intent to promote or facilitate a felony or misdemeanor, if person comments, encourages, requests or solicits another to engage in conduct that would be either a felony or misdemeanor. This is very broad and could include reviews or suggestions of using a prostitute.

Phoenix also has a law if "aids or abets" prostitution. Or the manifestation law (Monica Jones case) if a person inquires whether a potential patron or prostitute is a police officer or searches for articles that would identify a police officer, or that the person requests the touching or exposure of genitals or female breast. These are only Class 1 misdemeanors with 15 days mandatory jail time, but not a felony. (City Code 23-52 under Article IV. Offenses involving morals).

With the new police chief and reassignment of some units to get more cops on the street, PERHAPS chasing pretend victims (which they consider any sexworker) perhaps there will be a focus on real crimes with real victims or real sex trafficking, not the focus on stings for in private consenting adults with the State of AZ the only "victim".

The simple solution is as I have always "preached" - never exchange money for sex, do not have any "fee arrangement" or "hire" for the purpose of prostitution.

Another hope, although probably 50-50 is the ESLERP case now at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals Declaratory Action to declare the Calf prostitution law unconstitutional. The Calf law is virtually the same as Arizona and would probably invalidate similar laws in the 9th Circuit which includes AZ.

Disclaimer. I am not an attorney, and these are only my opinions. If you have any questions, you should get legal advice from a qualified attorney.

More. Re: IP's. I do not believe you can find the IP of a poster by simply having access to reading a site or from network points, only the IP of the site which of course site owner info can be gotten from the web host. If hosted in the USA Could serve the host but this is complex and doubt its done. If foreign we have criminal treaty's with most countries including Netherlands. However, it would be a very complex process to get user info from a foreign host in my opinion.

I have seen usasexguide posts mentioned in a search warrant (I've seen the warrant but for the person in question regarding any of his or her posts, not the server) but no charges were filed in that case, and that was the only time I recall I've seen this site mentioned.

No you can't get a physical address from an IP. Only the server or last hub. Go to whatismyip and do a geo look up and you will only get a general area. My IP listing (which is static) isn't even in the right city, just nearby. But web service (cox / comcast etc) can locate user. Even harder if use rotating IP's that most use.

Yes, if any membership fees are charged LE can get credit card etc info of user.

Remember, almost no cases actually go to trial but settle with a plea agreement. As long as there is probable cause which is a low barrier it is easy to get an indictment or direct charge. The Seattle guys will probably settle for probation instead of facing long prison terms if go to trial. The Attorney General can brag about convictions of a "sex trafficking ring" even if all were consenting adults.

Head Banger

12-22-16, 15:11

A2, you were exactly right. Most of those guys let themselves be intimidated and coped plea deals. The "hopefully smart" guys are going to trial, but at great cost and public exposure.

I can't blame guys for being scared with some of the gestapo like methods being used against them.

USA is a terrific site and I won't let them scare me from writing the stories I enjoy. I'm sure fear is exactly LEO's intentions.

But these discussions are good just to let guys know what's going on.

DavePHX

12-24-16, 07:28

California Pursues New Pimping Charges Against Backpage.com.

Dec 23,2016 ABC News highlights.

California's attorney general said Friday that she was pursuing new pimping charges against the operators of Backpage.com, a website that advertises escort services, just two weeks after a judge tossed an earlier case.

She has charged three Backpage executives Carl Ferrer, Michael Lacey and James Larkin with 13 counts of pimping and conspiracy to commit pimping. They also are charged with 26 counts of money laundering.

The new charges are based on new evidence. They come after a Sacramento County judge threw out pimping charges against the men on Dec. 9, citing federal free-speech laws.

"By creating an online brothel — a hotbed of illicit and exploitative activity (they) preyed on vulnerable victims, including children, and profited from their exploitation. ".

The state attorney general is doubling down on pimping charges in her final days before resigning to take her seat in the USA Senate.

She has alleged that more than 90 percent of Backpage's revenue — millions of dollars each month — comes from adult escort ads that use coded language and nearly nude photos to offer sex for money.

Full article at.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-pursues-pimping-charges-backpage-44375143

DavePHX

12-27-16, 03:58

Tucson cops involved in prostitution.

Arizona Daily Star Dec 24,2016 Highlights.

Two Tucson police officers caught up in an investigation into a long-running prostitution ring were sanctioned by the state agency that regulates officer certification. Oscar are. Was one of eight Tucson Police Department employees who was fired or resigned from the department, after a years-long investigation revealed the men were either customers of or had knowledge of the illegal massage parlors.

The board also accepted a consent agreement with Tucson police Officer Vincent V. For a three-month suspension of his certification, Sierra said.

In 2011, Tucson police began investigating the prostitution ring, "By Spanish," that advertised illicit services on Backpage.com. Over the next four years, police learned that a former employee of "By Spanish" had started her own company, "Daisy's Delights," and the two businesses occupied more than 10 locations across Tucson, according to Daily Star archives.

In January 2015, police seized hundreds of pieces of evidence during a raid, including cellphones, which were found to contain the phone numbers of Border Patrol agents, Davis-Monthan airmen, Tucson firefighters and at 10 least employees of the Tucson Police Department.

In his internal affairs interviews, are. Admitted to "utilizing these services, knowing they offered sex acts in exchange for additional money," according to AZPOST documents. He also admitted to paying for massages from one of the women that ended with sexual contact on more than one occasion.

V. 's phone number also turned up on one of the cellphones seized in the raid, and an internal affairs investigation revealed that he had a personal relationship with the alleged operator of "Daisy's Delights," according to AZPOST documents.

G. the owner is facing eight felony charges, including illegal control of an enterprise, money laundering, maintaining a house of prostitution and receiving the earnings of a prostitute. Her trial is scheduled to begin in April.

Jamesj

12-27-16, 20:15

DAVEPHX, Just want to publicly thank you for all the current case / legal info you post.

It keeps us aware of what OUR government is trying to do AND perhaps even keeps us a bit safer as we know what LE and the authorities are up to.

Thanks again.

JAMESJ.

DavePHX

12-31-16, 09:05

With the constant rise of college tuition, one brothel in Nevada decided to match its workers' college tuition payments.

The hardest part about college is figuring out how to pay for it.

And with the constant rise of college tuition, one brothel in Nevada decided to match its workers' college tuition payments.

Dennis H, owner of the Moonlite Bunny Ranch, has heard girls complaining about their college loans during job interviews, and thinks there are worse ways to pay your way through school these days. "This is the only job in America where women aren't going to settle for 78% of what men make," he said.

So H 68, said he's offering a deal to match loan payments for any new girl who comes to his brothels and works at least 60 days, according to the NY Daily News.

Dennis' brothel rose to fame after being featured on the racy HBO show Cathouse. He's also written a book entitled The Art of the Pimp: A Love Story, and feels confident enough to consider running for USA Senate. He's even open about admitting that this new venture is not only good-natured, but will help him meet some new employees and says that 30 women have reached out to him since the announcement.

His goal is to just help women pay off some of that school in an honest way, saying, "I think it's sad that America would let these students get into these situations that they're in," he said. "They're looking for an alternative to pay off their school loans, and this is a legal alternative. There's nothing sad about it. It's not for everybody. ".

DavePHX

12-31-16, 09:08

Mesa PD Press Release.

December 12,2016.

Operation Home School arrested 10 men ranging in age from 23 to 66 year old who were lured to ads for adults but detectives posed as 13-14 year-olds. Used internet sites where suspects seek out illegal sex acts (from ads with adult ages and adult pictures). The suspects solicited and / or brokered deals for various sex acts with the minor and were arrested when they responded to the location where they were supposed to meet the minor for sex.

Mesa Police Department conducts operations of this type in a continuous effort to remove these predators from our community. Suspects willing to solicit sex acts with children are some of the most dangerous criminals in our society.

This operation was a collaborative effort between the Mesa Police Department and Operation Underground Railroad (OUR). We also want to recognize the Hickey Family Foundation, AZ Men, and our local business partners: Empire Southwest and the Treehouse Group, for their invaluable support of this initiative. For more information about human exploitation and trafficking, please visit http://mesaaz.gov/residents/police/departments-divisions/mesa-family-advocacy-center/heat.

(Note the detectives may be more the predators with their adult ads and then "gotch yah" tricks.

Full names, mug shots and most charged with sex trafficking (class 2 felony) as well as felony prostitution charges. One guy was from Las Vegas, rest from Mesa or East Valley.

DavePHX

01-01-17, 03:12

The Mesa Bust of 10 guys reminded me of the Appeals case I am following.

Paul W. Was arrested in 2014 had a very short jury trial in 2015, found guilty and sentenced to the minimum of 7 years in prison (could have been 21).

After trial various mitigation hearings before sentencing and famous on TV lawyer Jason L (defended freeway shooter etc) was an attorney. Sentencing happended in late Fall 2016 and Notice of Appeal timely filed.

Paul was one of zillions of entrapment cases of ads for an adult, pictures of adults, in at least one case wearing a wedding ring, but tricked by request to bring some cigs or something since not old enough. The "predators" had no interest in anything but adult, were searching on adult site, responding to ad of an adult.

I have read very good in my non-lawyer view, very good briefs in lower court case by his private attorney Adam F. With case law for entrapment. Briefing included a Supreme Court case about having to have a "tangible object" (case related to fish but argument was similar to a pretend fake underaged person) State countered with Polk v Campbell Appeals case from 2015 which seems the key issue is "knowingly".

Jury was instructed that the entrapment defense could not be used. This is probably a key issue for current appeal but since transcripts are not all in the Appeals briefs are not yet due. However, unlike the Temple case there are only four transcripts (not close to 100 in Temple case). In Paul's case, only one is still outstanding and deadline to file is 1/3/2017. So we may see Appeal Briefs in 90 days or so but then may take a year to be heard or decided by Appeals Court. Tracy probably longer and they both are in prison while the case is being appealed.

The original private attorney started the Appeal filed 9/19/2016 but has now been assigned to Office of Public Defense Appeals attorney who happens to be the same attorney as Tracy's in the Temple case long on appeal but with 100's of transcripts with only half filed as of 12/31/2016 so a long way before appeals briefs will be due, on her conviction and 4. 5 year prison term. The States attorney (Joseph M.) is also the same as in the Temple / Tracy appeal.

DavePHX

01-01-17, 20:38

Devi Fe Fay Massage: Bond revoked for Martha who failed to show at prior hearing. 2 indicted not yet found. 7 others plea offers may be given and next hearing 1/31/2017.

Allexus plead guilty to pandering and sentencing was set for 12/6. However, with Concepcion's failure to appear and arrest warrant her sentencing continued with a possible change in plea until 2/8/2017. Concepcion bond company has bond forfeiture hearing on 1/24/2017.

Shangri-La. The 3 non yet pled final pre-trial 1/30 with trial 2/6.

Thai Escorts.

Reminder - 3 residences used for prostitution including near Baseline and Hardy, 4 women workers detained, one ran from police. All said they came to the USA To earn money as prostitutes to take care of their families. All legally in the USA And consenting adults. They did pay owners $10 k-$50 K "tax" to work for them. I assume this is like in Canada where pay for transportation and housing to get to the USA To work as prostitutes. The two owners Erik and Patcharin had a romantic relationship and spit profits 50-50 after paying for ads, websites, transportation and whatever the working women needed. Earned about $12 k / month. Four gals refused to testify against owners and one disappeared. They did not want to be considered "victims" but simply consenting adults.

Patcharin (female) pled guilty on 12/14 to Attempted illegally conducting a Criminal Enterprise and Attempted Money Laundering, both class 4 felonies. Sentencing 1/11/2017.

Erik- Final Pretrial 2/27/17 with trial 3/6/17.

Ratchanok (female) on 12/14 sentenced on plea deal on Money laundering class 3 felony to 2 years probation with normal conditions and fees. Counts 1,2,10-13 dismissed as per plea deal. Has strong loving relationship with Erik, graduated from high school and went to Long Island Beauty School in NY and Mea So College in Thailand. No other employment and now lives in Tucson. Age 38 and her first known offense.

Club Lacy. Last to be sentenced from this 2014 case is Robert whose sentencing / mitigation hearing was continued until 2/3/2017.

Self Serve Porn Studio Lots of briefs and actions in December.

William responding to States Motion to Preclude any 1st Amendment Defense.

In discovery, State disclosed 946 GB of data including 637,547 videos and image files from Studio computers. Then defense disclosed 2 TB of 21,754 video files and is reviewing another 6 TB with 52,039 video files including those marketed at "behind the scenes" porn videos for sale.

William claims he consulted a number of attorney's including two new witnesses that advised him on his business model.

In his Law and Argument long argument how porn films are protected by the 1st amendment as free speech.

Counters State argument that did only 2-3 minutes of photo sessions, small clips and cameras were regularly discarded. State argues was prostitution, not a legitimate porn studio.

William points out from Police Report finding "Panamoguls" porn with images of five women who were employees of the Studio. There were many other images of Studio gals at images4sale.com and other sites.

Argues the Supreme Court State v Taylor case State uses is outdated (from 1990) where the question was if it was prostitution at the Ellwest Theatre in Phoenix for women in the setting of a sex show theatre, perform sex acts with each other for the gratification of customers who pay to watch. The Court ruled this was prostitution since Arizona defines "prostitution" as "engaging in or agreeing or offering to engage in sexual conduct with another person under a fee arrangement with that person or any other person. " A. Are. S. § 13-3211 (5) does not require sexual contact with the customer; it was written sufficiently broadly to encompass a sexual transaction for a customer who engages only as voyeur.

William argues the Studio case is different and cites and argues the People v Freeman case in California where studio producer was not pandering which is the basis for allowing porn films in California.

William argues that the Studio should only be subject to the ARS-811 which regulates adult entertainment and he would be subject to licensing regulations but not criminal laws.

12/9/2016 State submitted a 12 page proposed jury Questionnaire with lots about views on sex and prostitution.

12/7/2016 State submitted a 69 page transcript of interview of Paul P the LA porn producer State wants to use as evidence that the usual rules of porn production were not followed.

12/11/2016 Defense submitted 23 pages of 238 of proposed jury questions.

12/12/2016 Defense amended its Notice of Defenses and witnesses that included 35 mostly women workers at the Studio who pled guilty and six pages of other things.

12/13/2016 State submits revised witness list including some of the same women workers who were co-defendants who took pleas. Evidence to be used included there "free talks" and testimonial agreements.

12/15/2016 State issued criminal subpoena for Arica are. To appear 1/9/2017 in Courtroom 5 C.

12/18/2016 WIlliom filed a motion to dismiss. Included 26 pages of arguments about protected free speech with lots of attachments such as model releases forms and agreements.

12/27/2016 State filed Response to Defendant's Motion to Dismiss. Laid out the facts of the case including how customers had to have a "penis check" to be sure they were not police and how there was a line up of gals so the customer could select the prostitute he wanted to pay to have sex with. Then the customer would take about 8 to 10 photographs of the model / prostitute, then set the camera down and have sex with the prostitute.

Importantly the State points out that on June 16,2015 the defendant filed a similar motion to dismiss almost identical to the current motion. On August 27,2015 that motion was dismissed and this motion must be dismissed as well.

State does long argument that defendant's conduct was not protected free speech since no particularized message was conveyed to anyone and instead used a two to three minute "photo session" as a shield from criminal charges.

In the end the intent was to have the women provide sex to the paying customers.

Dave notes this has always been my warning about tying to hide prostitution as porn. The "actor" doesn't pay to have sex with another "actor". The actors are paid by a studio that does not get sex from the actors.

State argues that even if conduct constituted free speech, it was unprotected speech. The "penis checks" as in the Taylor case were not protected free speech. The Taylor court ruled that when speech and non speech elements are combined, a sufficiently important government interest in regulating the nonspeech element can justify incidental limitations on the First Amendment. Arizona has consistently maintained that preventing prostitution is a substantial state interest (citing the Taylor case).

Speech that incites criminal conduct is not protected by the First Amendment. Speech with the intent to bring about the commission of the act of prostitution is not protected speech citing State v Crisp from 1993.

The Final trial management conference will be on 1/3/2017 at 1:30 PM. All pending motions will be ruled upon at that time.

DavePHX

01-04-17, 04:47

Porn related sexwork may be judged legal in Phoenix. Possible Break-thru Court Case.

Summary.

I attended the final pre-trial on arguments on a Motion to Dismiss as well as many other motions for the Studio case Tues afternoon 1/3/2017. I was the only public observer in Court. The State was asked directly by Judge S and stated the only alleged criminal activity was only AFTER the "porn" video session was completed. The State has acknowledged the "porn shooting" was not criminal. It is dependent according to the judge on some very key points which resulted in a 2-day continuance to get both sides to get their evidence lined up before ruling on the Motion to Dismiss.

The over 2-hour hearing will be continued on Thursday. If not dismissed, first 300 prospective jurors to be called next Monday and Tuesday for a trial estimated to last about three months until the end of March.

Details.

As I report on the hearing in my usual long, detailed way, remember the AZ Attorney General a few years ago in a press conference made it clear porn is illegal in Arizona and will be prosecuted aggressively. Judge S from this hearing on Motion to Dismiss the Studio case seems to have opened a huge contradiction to the AG's statement. This could open up the porn and sexwork industry depending on the final ruling on the motion. The State in my non-lawyer view is missing an important element, which I hope they continue to ignore.

My updates over the last 3. 5 years since the raid have been mostly negative about William's legal arguments, especially from his pro se briefs from jail that seemed to me to be mostly irrelevant rambling. In fact, years before the raid I had e-mail discussions with him warning that his studio idea would not work against the prostitution laws. I had also warned Tracy for years here religious issues would not stand up vs. Prostitution laws. I possibly could have been wrong in the Studio case based on in my view the State is ignoring their best argument. However, if the motion to dismiss does not get granted I'd bet it's a 90% chance he will lose at a jury trial.

I also admired Judge S as being very fair and patient in the Tracy / Temple case. I believe Tracy might have won on the legal issues if it was a bench trial with the judge instead of a conservative mostly Christian Phoenix jury. In my non-lawyer belief, there was no "fee arrangement" in the Temple case. In my view, Tracy lost because maybe 90% of her trial defense was religious goddess stuff which was irrelevant to the prostitution law. Judge s is also the judge in the current Studio case.

In the current Studio case, the owner who has refused all plea deals is William. All the other co-defendant gals took felony pleas long ago. Many of them will be witnesses if it goes to trial next week.

Over the years, William has mostly self-represented himself with "advisory counsel" via the Office of Public Defense (different from public defenders. He has been in jail for about 3. 5 years, unable to raise $100 k bail since the raid. Many of his advisory attorneys have resigned over various ethical and legal disagreements.

He now has a very sharp private attorney with decades of successful criminal defense experience. I was very impressed with the attorney in Court even when he could not fully answer challenging fact questions from Judge S.

Judge S asked key challenging questions to both the State and Defense.

MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION on the motion to dismiss.

Judge Ss asked the State (two younger prosecuting women): Let me get this very clear, the State is saying that "the only illegal conduct was AFTER the filming had been completed. " A large part of the motion to dismiss is based on 1st Amendment issue of free speech and the T and F cases regarding porn. Discussion related to both another State motion to exclude any 1st Amendment defense as well as Defense response to motion based on in part 1st Amendment issues. Judge asks why there is any 1st Amendment issue if State only argues illegal conduct after the video ended.

The state argues the filming was only their attempt to circumvent the prostitution law. A front to aid prostitution not protected speech. The judge for about the next two hours narrows in on this issue of filming being free speech and not criminal.

The following is not a transcript but the best effort from my fast writing notes to be as accurate and concise as possible of the hearing. I am not an attorney. I am not giving legal advice and have no association or financial interest with anyone, in this case, other than many years ago e-mails with the defendant long before the raid. I have never met him personally (that I know of) and he did not recognize me in Court.

When I refer to "Defense" this is not William but the new private attorney. William never spoke to the court at the hearing just his attorney.

Defense: Explained that in addition to the tripod camera that filmed the adult action to be sold on the Internet, there were always "security cameras" which was sold to a separate audience common in the industry as "Behind the Scenes" (BHS) separate video sales. This became the key point in the motion to dismiss. If being filmed by the security cams were part of the porn production and therefore free speech and not a criminal activity (prostitution).

Judge asks Defense if the customers. So called producers. Were aware and agreed to the use of security camera video that would also be sold as Behind the Scenes footage?

Defense: Pointed out there were signs all over the building and at the entrance that cameras were recording 24/7, so everyone was aware of the security cameras were recording, which made up the behind the scenes videos.

Judge asks why separate cameras and Defense says since different jaundra and gave many examples of such BHS sold to a different audience especially in porn.

Asked to leave at this point (wait in hallway area) were two porn industry producers that were defense witnesses ready to testify at today's hearing. The state argued they were not "expert witnesses" and from their interviews what they could testify to was irrelevant to the case. They stayed outside the rest of the hearing but would be called at a later date if still needed.

State: In interviews with witnesses the women said they were unaware of the security cameras, including the security guard who states he was unaware of the security cameras. The state said there was no mention of security cameras in the "producer" or "model / talent" contracts. Further, only on 12/19/2016 did the Defense give to the State 4 TB of new video supposedly including from security cameras. But they were in a format the State could not play. Defense today? Gave the State a playable version of the videos. Previously 1 TB was turned over long ago, and they have not had the many hours of time to review that huge amount of data and will take a long time to review 4 TB.

Defense: Not having watched all the video, I estimate about 40% is from security cams.

Judge to Defense: What evidence do you have that producer (customers) were aware of and agreed to the use of the security cam videos?

Defense: I believe it's in the contracts submitted as exhibits to one of the motions from last week.

Judge: Notes there is no record of "security camera" in agreement and one example says a general agreement is for "private, noncommercial use in a sample producer agreement filed with Motion to Dismiss. However, in the talent agreement (gals) example states for private personal use but can be used commercially by "me" (me I assume is William but also various corporate names used in the Studio distribution of porn).

Defense: Admit these are not especially good documents but that they have witnesses staff and management. That will know about the security cams being used to sell BHS porn and employee "talent. ".

State: Who are they? Other than William?

Defense: Yes, other than William. (William looking up witness list and try and tell attorney some names).

State: It appears that no BHS video was uploaded to the porn sites until Sept 2016 and William has been in jail all the time. Who uploaded them? Why? For the purpose of manufacturing a defense?

Judge asks State if they have witnesses that will testify they had no knowledge of the security cams or their use to sell BHS porn. Who? Can't name who. But various women say they understood the security cams were for security if bad people were there but not for use in porn films.

Defense: Tries and list names that will say they knew. . Both sides vague on "who. ".

(In other various questions from Judge wanting to know if the "talent" (gals) had knowledge and consent Defense attorney carefully said he was not speaking for witnesses, but he believed they would testify they were aware and consented to the use of the security cam videos.).

Judge: Obviously there is a difference of opinion as to knowledge and use of the security cam footage. If not aware of use goes to criminal conduct after the porn protected speech and therefore not 1st amendment protected. So at trial after the State's case, the defense can raise an objection and move to dismiss. At trial the sec cam videos can be attempted to be shown to the jury. And then I will rule on motions.

Defense: Argues the date uploaded to porn sites is not relevant since often video is sold to various outlets that may just hold onto them for years before actually putting up for sale on the Internet.

Judge to Defense: What evidence do you have of the authority given to someone to buy the videos and resell on the Internet.

Defense: I don't know. (Honest answer since relatively new to case vs. 3+ years of pro se case with advisory attorneys).

State: No evidence of any authority to sell or being sold before Sept 2016, by who? Why?

Judge: If no evidence producers knew of the BHS videos of security cams then there is no first amendment protected free speech. Both sides need to get more evidence. Case continued to. Long discussion trying to continue when all sides available and Court free before Monday when jury selection begins. Both sides are still doing witness interviews a week before trial after 3. 5 years has passed. Date then set for Thurs 1/5 at 11 AM to present evidence or witnesses whether or not security cam videos part of the understandings or agreements would be sold for porn use.

Other issues (not in order presented).

Defense 12/30/2016 motion to sever the assault case in Bondage scene from the other charges in the case. The state argues ARS 13.4 and Judge reads the law that such motions must be made at least 20 days before trial and that time has passed. Motion to sever denied.

State objected to two listed witnesses who were attorney's William claims to have consulted that helped set up his business plan. Judge asks Defense if willing to give up attorney / client privilege. Defense attorney says no. States says then what use are they as witnesses if can not discuss what advice was given. The defense says will ask if willing to give up attorney / client privilege.

Motion to Dismiss. Before my prior long discussion State argued it was similar to the 2015 motion to dismiss which was denied. Similar motion after denial is not allowable. Judge looks up the wording of her 2015 decision and agrees with Defense that while it was a motion to dismiss the ruling was only on a portion relating to improper evidence submitted to the Grand Jury for the indictments and on request to remand. Her ruling was not on the overall motion to dismiss or the current constitutional issues raised. Therefore, the court is considering the current motion to dismiss of the defense.

Jury Questionnaires. Lots of conflicts over big differences in proposed jury questions. The defense objected to many of the over 100 items in State's proposed including some "open ended" questions and "factual" statements. Judge suggested modifying language on some of the State's questions which Defense agreed to. Most of the Defense objections were upheld. State to condense its long summary of the case. Remaining issues to be continued until Thursday.

Discussion of trial.

The state has about 20 hours of videos it intends to introduce, ten witnesses, two informants, three police officers, three expert witnesses, and the undercover's so about 25 witnesses. The court will run on a 10 AM-12,1:30 PM-4 as usual with no Court on Fridays. Court holidays include 2-6, 2-20, and attorney unavailable 1/16 - 1/19. State attorney at another trial some dates but co-attorney will present when the main prosecutor in another case. The jury will be empaneled to run to Friday, March 31 (but can be extended).

Hopefully, 300 prospective jurors will be enough but can call unlimited additional if needed to get 12. Many will give excuses not able to serve for such a long trial. Goal is jury questionnaires next day to attorneys and Voir dire and final jury selection completed by 1/12/2017.

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01-04-17, 12:25

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LuvingFully

01-04-17, 15:43

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Porn related sexwork may be judged legal in Phoenix. Possible Break-thru Court Case.

Summary.

I attended the final pre-trial on arguments on a Motion to Dismiss as well as many other motions for the Studio case Tues afternoon 1/3/2017. I was the only public observer in Court. The State was asked directly by Judge S and stated the only alleged criminal activity was only AFTER the "porn" video session was completed. The State has acknowledged the "porn shooting" was not criminal. It is dependent according to the judge on some very key points which resulted in a 2-day continuance to get both sides to get their evidence lined up before ruling on the Motion to Dismiss.

The over 2-hour hearing will be continued on Thursday. If not dismissed, first 300 prospective jurors to be called next Monday and Tuesday for a trial estimated to last about three months until the end of March.

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01-06-17, 03:19

Porn related sexwork may be judged legal in Phoenix. Possible Break-thru Court Case.
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Judge asks why separate cameras and Defense says since different jaundra and gave many examples of such BHS sold to a different audience especially in porn.
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I believe the term is genre. Perhaps Dave's notes were written, at least in part, phonetically.

AZSandBum

01-06-17, 13:05

JohnJjj8888

01-06-17, 19:15

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DavePHX

01-07-17, 07:21

I believe the term is genre. Perhaps Dave's notes were written, at least in part, phonetically.You are sharp and polite. I quickly Goggled it to find spelling from my hearing it in court and found jaundra. But looking more carefully you are right and seems lots of folks spell it wrong. Found a debate if it was a proper word for scrabble. Not since wrong spelling.

I usually rely on Grammarly and another spell checker. As folks know from my posts, I am terrible with grammar and spelling if I just wing it! For my business extensive newsletters (nothing sex-related) my Toronto friend loves to edit my long reports. We met decades ago on the Canadian terb huge sexwork site, with our mutual interest in Toronto sexwork and have dinner on all my Toronto visits over more than a decade.

DavePHX

01-09-17, 01:41

German Greens float sex prescriptions for disabled.

8 January 2017.

Brothels advertise openly in Germany, where prostitution is legal.

A spokeswoman for the Green Party in Germany has said disabled and seriously ill people should be able to claim back public money if they pay for sex.

They would have to prove a medical need and show that they could not pay to visit sex workers otherwise.

Elisabeth Scharfenberg, an MP, told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper that she "could imagine" local authorities paying for "sexual assistance".

Prostitution has been legal in Germany since 2002.

Let's talk about sex and disability. The Sessions film.

The newspaper wrote (in German) that increasing numbers of sex workers offered services in care homes. A sexual adviser for nursing homes told the paper that prostitutes were a "blessing" for some patients.

In the Netherlands it is already possible to claim the cost of sexual services as a medical expense.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38549030

DavePHX

01-10-17, 04:59

It's time for the adult community to step up, and help fund ESPLER v GASCON which is already in the 9th district court of appeals challenging the CA prostitution law which is similar to the law in most states including Arizona. A win could decriminalize consenting adult prostitution in the 9th District. If there were a similar case in another district with a different result the case could go to the USA Supreme Court.

9th Circuit Appeals Court case No. 16-15927 EROTIC SERVICE PROVIDER LEGAL EDUCATION & RESEARCH PROJECT, ET AL. , v. GEORGE xxxxx, ET AL. One of best I have seen with all the legal issues, expanding beyond Lawrence v. Texas. Attorney for ESPLERP includes H.xxxxxxxnoted 1st Amendment attorney who has won other noted constitutional free speech cases closely related to sexuality.

Good discussion and donation to support link at.

http://coyoteri.org/wp/what-is-esplerp-v-gascon/

Full Brief (easier to read than on esplerp site) at.

http://phxlist.com/forum/attachment.php?aid=703

Amicus Briefs Filed In Support Of ESPLERP v Gascon.

1) Children of the night Amicus brief.

9th Circuit Amicus brief lays out the harms of the prostitution law vs decriminalization.

While prior Amicus and the Appeal Brief have focused mostly on the complex constitutional and other legal issues challenging the prostitution law this brief is excellent laying out the harms of prostitution. While Children of the Night that filed it may be more on the street work side for which it will be easier for the State to show a compelling interest, the harms also apply to private adults that are not desperate on the streets but funding college etc, raising children and since private have more support from Lawrence v. Texas and other cases based on privacy and not as a public nuisance.

The brief presents a great argument about the lower Court not taking the issues seriously and just dismissing them in their summary judgment. The brief argues to remand the case back to the lower court for a full trial.

http://esplerp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Children-of-the-Night-amicus.pdf

2) Lambda Legal Defense & Education Fund Brief.

Addressing public harms inflicted by criminalization of commercial sexual activity. Does a great job of arguing that rational basis review (which is a key legal element of the States reply brief against ESPLERP and in the Lawrence case) requires the Court to consider not only whether the State has argued a compelling government interest, but also whether the statute is rationally related to advancing that government interest.

http://esplerp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/lambda-brief.pdf

3) ACLU Amicus Brief.

The ACLU brief is mostly about discrimination in its application. Although not the main point of the ESPLERP case, I do especially like the following:

Contrary to State's contention that 647 (b) protects women from violence, numerous studies have concluded that criminalization of sex work exposes women to more violence, including by the police. (long list of references).

It mostly argues the law is discrimination against transgender women, gay men, LGBTQ Youth and women. This seems a very narrow basis vs. Most of the other briefs since the majority of consenting, private adult sexwork is heterosexual.

http://esplerp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/22-Brief-of-American-Civil-Liberties-Union-Foundation1.pdf

4) First Amendment Lawyers / Woodhull Freedom Foundation Brief.

Argues first amendment issues.

http://esplerp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Brief-of-Amici-Curiae-First-Amendment-Lawyers-Assn-Woodhull-Freedom-Foundation.pdf

The Opposition.

There are also many opposing briefs by the parties and Amicus Brief's arguing to uphold the prostitution law filed the latest in December by:

National Center on Sexual Exploitaion, Covenant House California, Freedom from Exploitation, Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, SPACE International, Equality NOW, Demand Abolition, Chicago Alliance Against Sexual Exploitation, WSU Center for Combatin.

The above groups support the current prostitution law with the usual arguments decriminalization would result in more sex trafficking and abuse of women (we argue the opposite).

On 12/12/2016 ESPLERP requested extension of time to file reply briefs which was granted to 1/13/2017.

Link to this announcement and will update:

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18975

Lharys

01-13-17, 03:21

Just wondering if my old beer buddies are still around in Phoenix section.

And garye. And Nichole, Katie, and Candy.

FlbMac31

01-19-17, 13:58

So if the outcome of this legal decision is to legitimize prostitution, or more correctly stated, the right of two consenting adults to fornicate how, where and when they feel like it, does it afford the John a new legal option when a rip off strikes. The ability to file a complaint without fear of police harrasment? An equal opportunity for the gals to file complaint when beaten as it would be for us to file a complaint when something is stolen? What a heyday for defense attorneys!

It's time for the adult community to step up, and help fund ESPLER v GASCON which is already in the 9th district court of appeals challenging the CA prostitution law which is similar to the law in most states including Arizona. A win could decriminalize consenting adult prostitution in the 9th District. If there were a similar case in another district with a different result the case could go to the USA Supreme Court.

9th Circuit Appeals Court case No. 16-15927 EROTIC SERVICE PROVIDER LEGAL EDUCATION & RESEARCH PROJECT, ET AL. , v. GEORGE xxxxx, ET AL. One of best I have seen with all the legal issues, expanding beyond Lawrence v. Texas. Attorney for ESPLERP includes H.xxxxxxxnoted 1st Amendment attorney who has won other noted constitutional free speech cases closely related to sexuality.

Good discussion and donation to support link at.

http://coyoteri.org/wp/what-is-esplerp-v-gascon/

Full Brief (easier to read than on esplerp site) at.

http://phxlist.com/forum/attachment.php?aid=703

Amicus Briefs Filed In Support Of ESPLERP v Gascon.

1) Children of the night Amicus brief.

9th Circuit Amicus brief lays out the harms of the prostitution law vs decriminalization.

While prior Amicus and the Appeal Brief have focused mostly on the complex constitutional and other legal issues challenging the prostitution law this brief is excellent laying out the harms of prostitution. While Children of the Night that filed it may be more on the street work side for which it will be easier for the State to show a compelling interest, the harms also apply to private adults that are not desperate on the streets but funding college etc, raising children and since private have more support from Lawrence v. Texas and other cases based on privacy and not as a public nuisance.

The brief presents a great argument about the lower Court not taking the issues seriously and just dismissing them in their summary judgment. The brief argues to remand the case back to the lower court for a full trial.

http://esplerp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Children-of-the-Night-amicus.pdf

2) Lambda Legal Defense & Education Fund Brief.

Addressing public harms inflicted by criminalization of commercial sexual activity. Does a great job of arguing that rational basis review (which is a key legal element of the States reply brief against ESPLERP and in the Lawrence case) requires the Court to consider not only whether the State has argued a compelling government interest, but also whether the statute is rationally related to advancing that government interest.

http://esplerp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/lambda-brief.pdf

3) ACLU Amicus Brief.

The ACLU brief is mostly about discrimination in its application. Although not the main point of the ESPLERP case, I do especially like the following:

Contrary to State's contention that 647 (b) protects women from violence, numerous studies have concluded that criminalization of sex work exposes women to more violence, including by the police. (long list of references).

It mostly argues the law is discrimination against transgender women, gay men, LGBTQ Youth and women. This seems a very narrow basis vs. Most of the other briefs since the majority of consenting, private adult sexwork is heterosexual.

http://esplerp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/22-Brief-of-American-Civil-Liberties-Union-Foundation1.pdf

4) First Amendment Lawyers / Woodhull Freedom Foundation Brief.

Argues first amendment issues.

http://esplerp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Brief-of-Amici-Curiae-First-Amendment-Lawyers-Assn-Woodhull-Freedom-Foundation.pdf

The Opposition.

There are also many opposing briefs by the parties and Amicus Brief's arguing to uphold the prostitution law filed the latest in December by:

National Center on Sexual Exploitaion, Covenant House California, Freedom from Exploitation, Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, SPACE International, Equality NOW, Demand Abolition, Chicago Alliance Against Sexual Exploitation, WSU Center for Combatin.

The above groups support the current prostitution law with the usual arguments decriminalization would result in more sex trafficking and abuse of women (we argue the opposite).

On 12/12/2016 ESPLERP requested extension of time to file reply briefs which was granted to 1/13/2017.

Link to this announcement and will update:

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18975

DavePHX

01-20-17, 23:47

Dkuym1

01-21-17, 01:08

WTF is up with this obsession with legal cases. If you want to talk court cases join a Lawyer site. I'm interested in pussy. Give it a rest already.

DrPoon

01-21-17, 01:32

1/11 Scottsdale sting arrest.

Located near 75th Street south of Chaparral and North of Osborn (District 2, Beat 6).

Not clear what hotel is in that zone but it could be a non-hotel meeting point.

Bigtim47

01-21-17, 02:29

WTF is up with this obsession with legal cases. If you want to talk court cases join a Lawyer site. I'm interested in pussy. Give it a rest already.Dave provides a valuable service to this site by keeping us informed about the legal implications of the sexual things we do. There are plenty of the other categories on this Phoenix site to pursue your pussy dreams. This is the general category, and Dave's post fit right in here.

Urdoinit Rong

01-21-17, 13:19

WTF is up with this obsession with legal cases. If you want to talk court cases join a Lawyer site. I'm interested in pussy. Give it a rest already.If you're interested in pussy, then you should be interested in legalization. You'll get more pussy, better pussy, cheaper pussy, and won't have to worry about uncle LEO.

Dkuym1

01-21-17, 18:29

If you're interested in pussy, then you should be interested in legalization. You'll get more pussy, better pussy, cheaper pussy, and won't have to worry about uncle LEO.LOL. Legalization - hell half the fun of it is busting up the law.

TylerPerelli

01-21-17, 19:58

WTF is up with this obsession with legal cases. If you want to talk court cases join a Lawyer site. I'm interested in pussy. Give it a rest already.While a bit lengthy, some of the info in the reports is useful. If they bother you, scroll past and read other threads. He advocates for helping you get what you want and not get busted. You give it a rest.

Also the studio guy has been on the evening news, and I guarantee others are interested in the details from that case.

MelissaMonee

01-21-17, 22:58

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DavePHX

01-23-17, 07:05

Update on 9th Circuit challenge to prostitution law.

Reply brief of ESPLER to State 1/13/2017 Highlights.

1) Argues the State misapprehends the liberty interest at stake.

Goes beyond just a "fundamental right to engage in prostitution. " It does not have to include as the State argues "highly personal relationships with deep attachment of commitments" This case is not about sex trafficking or children that the State references in its brief. The case is about consenting adults and their rights to be free of government intruding into their private, sexual lives. Cites Lawrence v Texas and Reliable Consultants v. Earle, and others. (Dave notes years ago I argued how the Reliable case could apply just as well to prostitution).

The State argued cases that were before Lawrence, Casey and Obergefell Supreme Court cases, which show the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause extends beyond deep and committed relationships. Goes into detail on each cited case to support this argument.

2) Lawrence did not decide the issue of State laws criminalizing prostitution as constitutional as the State argues. The State distorts the Lawrence case which simply was not addressing prostitution other than noting this was not the Lawrence case. Long discussion followed.

3) Rational basis review is not the proper standard to review Section 647 (b) (legal issue I don't understand).

4) Citizens do not forfeit liberty if transact commerce in the exercise of that liberty.

Give example from George Carlin. That government cannot say it is legal for you to engage in sex, but it is illegal for you to for sex. Selling is legal. So why isn't it legal to sell sex? Why should it be illegal to sell something that's legal to give away?

5) None of the State's interests justify Section 647 (b).

Argues against the State's position that prostitution creates a climate conductive to violence against women. The State cited a case of a minor being sex trafficked across state lines, but that IS a violent crime but has nothing to do with consenting adult prostitution. "This is nothing more than another attempt by the State to conflate voluntary prostitution with sex trafficking. ".

State's concerns about risky sex without condoms that can spread disease may justify public health initiatives, but none of these government interests justify the outright prohibition of prostitution.

Source: http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18977.

DavePHX

01-23-17, 22:28

Johns to face minimum 1 year in prison on first offense.

Hotels must keep all guest records for six months and train staff on how to spot prostitution.

This is a legislative bill in Connecticut but this is something our sexaphobic Arizona legislature would probably welcome.

In Arizona, we already have zillions of felony cases with potential long prison sentences being part of any "Criminal enterprise" which can be an escort and her boyfriend or husband as a driver, phone operator, massage parlor. Any group of more than just an individual sexworker.

The Connecticut bill was introduced by newly sworn-in-Democratic State Repl Liz L making soliciting sex a Class C felony with a mandatory minimum prison sentence of 1-year with a maximum 10 years, plus a fine up to $10,000. It would also require anyone convicted more than once to register as a sex offender.

The bill wouldn't do anything to change the fact that sex workers are arrested for prostitution (also currently a class A misdemeanor in Connecticut), it would just drastically enhance penalties for their clients. And this can further punish sex workers and put them at risk, by limiting the pool of customers to only those willing to risk severe punishment or making clients less willing to submit to screening processes and other measures that protect sex-worker safety and health. If L. Actually cares about helping those who sell sex out of economic desperation, she wouldn't seek to stymie their earning potential while driving their activities further underground.

Connecticut is currently in the midst of rolling out another prostitution-related measure, passed in 2016. Under the new law, all hotel and motel employees are required to undergo training on how to spot human trafficking and "activities related to human trafficking. " But like so many "human trafficking awareness" shams, the hotel-employee training really only encourages people to report any and all suspected prostitution—a move that not only harms sex workers but also those in groups most likely to be stereotyped as sex workers. (Already, we've seen flight-attendant "trafficking" training result in the detention of random Asian women.).

The new law also requires all hotels, motels, and inns to keep records and receipts for all guests for at least six months.

Source: http://reason.com/blog/2017/01/23/soliciting-sex-may-become-a-felony?platform=hootsuite.

More:

"It's time to change the belief that prostitution is a victimless crime; many sex workers are, in fact, victims themselves," L. Said. "That we continue to punish sex workers – many of whom have been coerced into this work or do it out of economic desperation – without looking at the other side of the equation just doesn't make sense. We need to shift the focus to the consumers, and by increasing penalties for soliciting sex we can decrease the demand. ".

A recent study by the Connecticut Trafficking in Persons Council found that sex workers were seven times more likely to be convicted of a crime than 'johns. '.

"The Legislature's Trafficking in Persons Council has embarked on a Connecticut Campaign Against Demand in order to focus attention on those buying sex," L. Said.

"When men buy sex they create demand which fuels sex trafficking in our state and the legislation she has introduced, recognizes the importance of targeting buyers in order to prevent the sex trafficking of our state's women and children," J. G. , chair of the Connecticut Trafficking in Persons Council said.

http://patch.com/connecticut/cheshire/legislator-seeks-increased-penalties-soliciting-prostitute

DavePHX

01-24-17, 00:51

Thai Tempe Agency.

Co-owner Patcharin (female first name) took a plea and on 1/11/2017 was sentenced to 1. 5 years in prison and 3 years probation. Plea was for attempted illegal control of enterprise and attempted money laundering. These were reduced charges in the plea agreement, otherwise, could face decades in prison if found guilty of all charges at trial.

Co-owner Erik, trial now scheduled for 3/6/2017 but these dates are often continued.

All were consenting adults who came to the USA To earn money to send to their families in Thailand. Four of the working "prostitutes" refused to testify against the owners and did not want to be considered "victims".

Another Thai office worker previously took a plea for money laundering (depositing funds in banks) and sentenced to 2 years probation.

DavePHX

01-24-17, 01:02

Have now gone through a jury pool of about 500 but most excused and no full qualified jury found yet.
Going into day six of trial - trying to find a full jury.
Jury selection continues.

Newly arrested defendant gal just in the beginning stage of indictment

DavePHX

01-24-17, 07:07

A reminder of real sex trafficking.

Among the maybe 90% cases that are consenting adults, there are a few "real" not the usual "pretend" victim cases.

1/20/2017 - J. S. Was sentenced to 102 years in prison on one count of sex trafficking and four counts of child prostitution and one count of disorderly conduct. According to the Maricopa County Attorney, the victim was a 15-year old female recruited to work for J. S. In 2013 who claimed she forced to solicit "car dates" while walking the streets, turn all money over to J. S. And was told she would be killed if she tried to leave.

Dkuym1

01-24-17, 22:55

DavePHX

01-30-17, 08:01

LA times. January 10,2017 Highlights.

In the Jeff S. Confirmation hearing Sen Dianne F. Make the outrageous statement that sex trafficking is the second largest criminal industry in the country 2nd only to drugs. She also stated that the victims "average 12 to 14" in age. Both of these statements was given "four Pinocchio's" by Washington Post fact-checkers.

"The California senator wished to lead off her critical cross-examination of the nation's likely next top cop with a factually insane claim that will probably give him more power. ".

These fake numbers have consequences as Congress and States increase penalties and stings. "The criminals apprehended are disproportionately adult females who work in the sex industry by choice. ".

"There is a well-established connection between moral panic over disfavored behaviors and laws that produce grotesque injustices. What boggles the mind is how this clear causation seems to elude lawmakers.

Judiciary Committee members tried to egg S, on to enforce laws against the monsters hiding under their beds. Sen. Orrin G. H (R-Utah) favorably cited a new Utah bill that describes pornography as a public health "epidemic," and encouraged S. To reopen the Justice Department's porno task force. As recently as President O's first term, that unit was producing prosecutions that could have put pornographers in jail for as long as 32 years.

Sen. Lindsey G. (R-S. C.) was a one-man hysteria generator, with each question designed to give the federal government more power.

S. gave enthusiastic support for civil asset forfeitures by which the government can lawfully seize property even if not charged. Dave notes the escort I knew that had to buy her house back from Sheriff Joe even when no criminal charges were filed. Or another that had $10,000 in cash because she was about to pay for a used car, that was seized with no criminal charges filed.

"But maybe the most terrifying thing about the man is that he so faithfully reproduces the basic posture of his fellow senators: Everything is a threat, evidence be damned, and the federal government needs more power to keep us safe.

We are at a point in this country where officials in the Justice Department can't even tell you the number of federal crimes, the average American (according to the calculations of the civil libertarian Harvey S.) commits "three felonies a day," and there is no observable political penalty for grotesquely exaggerating real problems.

Jo Kuz

01-30-17, 17:37

Does anyone know if TER went the route of Backpage. Haven't been able to get on since yesterday? Says server can't be found.

Bigtim47

01-30-17, 18:12

Does anyone know if TER went the route of Backpage. Haven't been able to get on since yesterday? Says server can't be found.I'm having the same problem. I had thought this site was overseas, like in Holland?

Denton

01-30-17, 19:06

Does anyone know if TER went the route of Backpage. Haven't been able to get on since yesterday? Says server can't be found.TER is still up but there something definitely weird going on. I cannot access them via Cox Cable or via my phone. But I can access their website via a TOR browser showing an exit node in France. Could be something strange with one or more parts of the DNS system in the US.

Bigtim47

01-30-17, 22:21

Does anyone know if TER went the route of Backpage. Haven't been able to get on since yesterday? Says server can't be found.Just logged on Monday night at 7:20 AZ time.

AjLuv

01-31-17, 02:08

Tried a few times this evening and cannot connect.

DavePHX

01-31-17, 03:57

I am no expert but seems weird. While the DNS servers we use in the USA. Or at least Phoenix reported on other boards (TNA) seem to have it deleted their nameserver at their host pings fine as do traceroutes from some locations but not others. From me using Cox the route now stops at a Level3 server in the Netherlands but last two hops are dead.

Very unclear if this looks like an FBI type shutdown or just a local server issue at "treehouse" - the registrar seems to be in London.

Since at least I get a DNS server error this would not normally be cause for just a server problem. Since I can ping the origination name server (in London or Netherlands) but can't via the Cox DNS server I use makes me wonder. The Cox and all our local Internet providers usually use their own name servers which are fed by layers of servers around the world back the the original. Assuming folks using other DNS servers (Google, or whatever you set up) also can not get wondering if it is "severed" at some point intentionally. I can change what DNS server I use but really don't want to do all that!

For those not technical the nameserver translates the domain name we type to an IP address which is how servers connect, mostly still using V4 but running out of numbers so trying move to V6 numbers.

I wonder if folks from outside the USA Can access it. I am going to e-mail my Toronto friend to try it but by the time he and I get up all may be solved and back to normal. But if continues I am curious if it can be accessed by other countries. Bigtim or anyone who can get to TER do you know what DNS server your using the numbers. Usually its set up from router. Google is I recall For IPv4: 8. 8. 8. 8 and / or 8. 8. 4. 4. For IPv6: 2001:4860:48608888 and / or 2001:4860:48608844. Cox uses Primary DNS: 68.1. 16.107 East Coast DNS: 68.1. 16.108 Eest Coast DNS: 68.111. 106.68 Some DNS servers seem to work, other don't.

I can ping to the mail servers fine. I've had two messages for private message sent to me but can not get into TER to read them

Jo Kuz

01-31-17, 08:29

Just logged on Monday night at 7:20 AZ time.I'm on the East Coast right now, Tuesday 7:30 Am, Still can't get in. I am on Comcast so this has nothing to do wit the IPS.

Jo Kuz

01-31-17, 09:55

Was just able to Login, so I guess its back.

Jamesj

02-04-17, 21:22

Do NOT waste credits opening up communication with this BEOTCH!

Has severe case of GPS!

She accepted my "low ball " offer of 20 bucks & sent a message. (cost me 10 credits to "open" the date).

In it she gave her number & requested 100. (OK, not bad).

After texting back and forth, that was just to meet her and have the "honor" of paying for her dinner / drinks.

She demanded 250 for FS.

She is 36 YO, 5'5", white and lives in north PHX near 17 and Greenway. (602 -*8 -*64).

Told her to go "fuck herself" ! She replied, that she already made 1,100 this week!

Must be a lot of suckers in PHX! (LOL).

The hunt continues.

JAMESJ.

DavePHX

02-11-17, 07:30

Bidding is open for the contact that for many years has gone to Catholic Charities. My guess is they will be the only bidder.

Bid Date 3/6/2017 11:00 AM with pre-bidding inquiries due by 2/24/2017 to Phoenix Prosecutor's Office.

Scope:

Provide and monitor rehabilitation services to offenders focusing on support, training, counseling and education, referrals and other opportunities to help the offender build a new life upon completion of the program.

Catholic Charities describes the program as providing:

36 hours of self-exploration and education to develop self-esteem.

Rehabilitation to escape prostitution.

Job placement assistance.

Charges dismissed with completion of the program.

They claim 86% of those that complete the Catholic Charities DIGNITY Diversion program did not re-offend.

Then they have "Melissa's Story" at.

https://www.catholiccharitiesaz.org/phoenix/sex-trafficking

Latest Annual Report of Catholic Charities.

In lives touched lists 588 sex trafficking victims broken down by ages: 18-21 147,22-29 259 and 30+ 182.

Dave notes "sex trafficking victims" of couse includes in private consenting adults.

Source: https://www.catholiccharitiesaz.org/images/financials/2015-catholic-charities-annual-report.pdf.

They do lots of good things besides sex trafficking and in total had revenues of $31 million. As I recall the last contract I for the prostitution program for the city was about $500,000.

DavePHX

02-11-17, 07:51

January 2017 newsletter includes:

January is Human Trafficking Awareness Month and Arizona is actively fighting to rescue and protect victims and put the perpetrators behind bars.

Sex trafficking includes:

Transporting adult females for prostitution, compelling, inducing or encouraging them to engage in acts of prostitution, and receiving the earnings from their acts of prostitution. As the counts add up, our prosecutors are securing sentences of hundreds of years for the most horrific of cases.

Specifically, H. B. 2454 created a separate and higher sentencing structure for traffickers that increases the presumptive sentence:

From 10.5 years to 13.5 years for a first offense;.

From 15.75 years to 24 years for a trafficker with a prior felony conviction; and.

From 28 years to 31 years for a trafficker with two or more prior felonies.

Law enforcement agencies conduct regular investigations by monitoring classified listings for "escorts" on websites such as Craigslist and Backpage. If a potential crime is suspected, officers may conduct an undercover operation to catch those who are facilitating the trafficking and rescue or provide help to the victims. But law enforcement can't find all such crimes that are occurring in our community. If you suspect someone is being trafficked, call the police. We also encourage citizens to donate to or support non-profits who provide a place for victims to stay and other services. By giving support to victims, they are in a better place to help law enforcement and prosecutors put these criminals behind bars so they can't continue to victimize others.

Source: http://www.maricopacountyattorney.org/newsroom/newsletters/2017/2017-01-newsletter.html.

DrPoon

02-17-17, 09:58

Ghost Town in the Apache Junction neighborhood area. I think a bunch of providers should descend on the area.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Goldfield+(Ghost+Town)/ at 33.4573633,-111.4918617,3 a,75 y,124 h,88 t / data=!3 m8!1 e1!3 m6!1's-IjFsWYBHP2 c%2 FV50 UTxlmyyI%2 FAAAAAAAAAsE%2 FVSvi9 EtboUYkTK0 GbU6 KjfQ60 rF2 C_EXgCLIB!2 e4!3 e11!6's%2 F%2 Flh3. googleusercontent.com%2 F-IjFsWYBHP2 c%2 FV50 UTxlmyyI%2 FAAAAAAAAAsE%2 FVSvi9 EtboUYkTK0 GbU6 KjfQ60 rF2 C_EXgCLIB%2 Fw203-h100-k-no-pi-2. 9999962-ya124.5-ro0-fo100%2 F!7 i8704!8 i4352!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x0:0 x8 d5 ccc6425 b824 f!8 m2!3 d33.4570503!4 d-111.491975!6 m1!1 e1.

DavePHX

02-23-17, 06:29

City worker falsely accused in prostitution sting gets $370,000.

2/20/2017 Chicago Sun Times Highlights.

An alderman, chairman of the City Council's Transportation Commitee was arrested for solicitation of an undercover officer, posing as a prostitute for sex.

Charges were dismissed due to lack of audio or video evidence.

The city agreed to pay him $370,000 for harm to his reputation, saying "Going forward, we might want to pass that message over to the Police Department. We need some audio to back up these claims.

"It's important that we protect ourselves. And have proof that words -allegedly. Being spoken have actually been spoken. This is not the first time that's happened. It's only one person's word against the other. It doesn't work out too well.for that person. I'm happy to see that Mr. H. has been able to successfully defend his position. But, .his reputation has been tarnished tremendously. ".

The undercover female officer "claims that H. Offered $20 in exchange for "h–d" and to "lick her t—why. ".

Whichever version is correct, H. Got caught up in the sting. (cop) signaled to her undercover partners, who "swiftly accelerated" out of a nearby alley into H. 's path, arrested and searched him and searched and impounded his pickup.

He subsequently sued the Chicago Police Department for false arrest in violation of the Fourth Amendment as well as state law claims of malicious prosecution and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

The case against H. Was "voluntarily dismissed" by prosecutors.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/city-worker-falsely-accused-in-prostitution-sting-gets-370000/

DavePHX

02-27-17, 00:30

Tributes to Fred Zed (not real name but persona).

Fred changed the industry from being a hotbed for ripoff's and scams, to finally giving the paying customer voice to be heard. This essentially defines what Fred did that labels him as a game changer starting more than 20 years ago honest sexwork forums at no cost other than advertising from escorts and massage businesses. No fake reviews, no ratings to get free access, and well-organized forum sections for everyone's safe participation in the adult sexwork world. No LE using reviews or posts, just a safe community with zillions of both guys and gals participating including the owners of the large escort agencies, with no legal issues.

Fred built a community and created a venue where like-minded people could interact and communicate in ways we couldn't before. His contribution to the industry was significant, and we are all better off for what he created for us.

I have about 2000 posts on just one of his boards, and currently, there are over 1500 folks logged in on a Sunday night at 8 PM on just one of his boards. I was also on his older board back in the late 90's.

OK, who is Fred Zed?

Fred was the founder of Terb. Cc (for Toronto / Ontario), Perb. Cc (Pacific mostly Vancouver and where I had so many of my early trip reports to Victoria B. C.) and Merb. Cc (Montreal where I was active in my initial trips to Canada when visited Montreal).

After finding Canada more practical after trips to the Philippines, Bangkok, and Pattaya for the last decade or so I have enjoyed Toronto area (especially Mississauga) and have many followers on my Summer trip reports. No legal issues, of course, where "risk reduction" is the legal attitude with the realization that not having legal issues with private consenting adult sexwork is the key to safety and harm reduction (per Supreme Court of Canada).

Fred died suddenly after a short battle with cancer in January 2017. There was confusion for a while what happened when he seemed to have disappeared, e-mails were not be replied to, etc. It turned out there were legal issues with family members taking over the ownership and control. They have assured us the boards will continue and be supported by the heirs.

Terb. Cc has been my source for years researching from reviews etc. My odd interests in intimacy, personality and intimacy vs. Sex and the wide following I get from my reviews. Also, have a "best friend" I visit whenever I am in Toronto, often talk by phone, dine with and share ideas on companions to see since we have similar interests especially in personality. Although I prefer smaller breasts than him We met on terb over a decade ago and then in person for years. I also have been active in Niagara Falls and less so lately in Hamilton.

Anyone going to Niagara Falls Canada, besides the strip clubs I highly recommend "Oh Canada" musical at the Oh Canada Eh! Dinner theater.

A favorite memory is going to a meet and greet in Phoenix arriving a bit late after a great long session with a gal from Roses', as I entered a well-known escort singing "Oh Canada" as I entered.

I posted this on Terb.

Fred Memorial Page Idea.

I know Fred seemed to be quite private and my only direct discussion with him was years ago. However, by having his boards and how they were run was a huge contribution to the industry which hopefully will continue.

With some many good posts on the sticky with some with more personal experiences, I toss out the idea that a memorial page be created if the family would have no objections. A picture would be nice although again he seemed to want some privacy in life but maybe to be recognized in death. There are posts from another sick site about his real name but could be kept private just his FZ persona.

I did a memorial page for Stan Dxxx when he died in 2007 but would be willing to do one on my Toronto site or better yet someone here that knew him more personally here or a link from here to someone's site. This is what I did for Stan Dxxxxe in 2007 after attending his memorial in San Francisco.

http://www.libchrist.com/background/StanDale.html

DavePHX

02-27-17, 01:39

I like this Sensual Training Session Ad.

By Tender Touch Massage.

"We guide you on how to sensually massage a women's body (Tender Touch Lady provided.).

$160 for 60 minutes.

"To begin the journey, you will be welcomed at the door by your lady of choice, in her sexy lingerie. She will escort you to a lush bedroom, where you are invited to warm up with a hot shower, before surrendering your naked body to her.

"Lie down and relax as a skilled, erotic massage is performed, indulging your entire body into a state of pure ecstasy. Tender strokes, slow breast sweeps, and a full body sliding will bring you to a fully firm state. If you choose to, indulge in a mind-blowing hand relief from your lady.

"Finishing touches. Shower together and get a personal wash down, you leave feeling cared for and fully satisfied.

"Satisfaction guaranteed, you will leave feeling fresh, invigorated and totally relaxed, without compromising your principals, our ours.

"We offer massage for Couples and Female clients. See the Ladies profiles to see who is available. ".

Dave notes:

Makes me want to visit.

The bad news:

http://www.tendertouch.co.nz/

Too bad not offered in the USA Or Canada.

The $160 quoted is in $US using latest NZ $ conversion rate.

I am checking on airfares but it may be only a dream.

NZ without any legal issues has many very detailed sensual / sexual descriptions of escort and massage agencies and gals.

DavePHX

02-28-17, 04:45

Arizona Court of Appeals Upholds 325 years in prison for consensual prostitution.

The Arizona Court of Appeals on February 21,2017 upheld a conviction for a child prostitution case and the 325 year prison term, with no force involved. The "victim" didn't want to testify since she considered him a good guy (per earlier media reports on arrest). A run away first met "AA" as a customer and said she was age 18, but later admitted age 16. AA also wanted to help her run away half-sister. AA paid for hotel rooms, took pictures and posted ads on backpage and the women serviced various clients. AA also provided marijuana when it was requested by the women. AA told the women to always use condoms, no African-American men and no texting.

Detective TK (whose name I think I recognize from testimony in the Phoenix Temple case), set up an appointment and was told to bring condoms.

When TK arrived are. H. (gal) began to prep him for a "massage," her code word for sex. After she told him to take off his clothes, FBI swarmed the room and TK informed are. H. Of his real identity.

The state subsequently charged AA with ten counts of child prostitution and two counts of involving or using minors in drug offenses, all Class 2 felonies. After hearing testimony, including a recounting of the events from are. H. , D. H. , and the officer, a jury found AA guilty on all twelve counts. The trial court sentenced Adams to a presumptive term of 325.75 years imprisonment.

In a similar recent case in Canada the sentence was 5 years.

DavePHX

02-28-17, 04:46

HB2238 expected to pass without opposition.

Changes the "child prostitution" law to be included as "child sex trafficking. " While none of us have any interest in under age the entrapment stings will be even more serious. Especially since Arizona is only one of nine states where the age of consent is 18. It is lower in other states.

The new law provides for lifetime probation and sex offender registration. If the age is 15-17 the minimum sentence on first offense is 7 years in prison with a presumptive term of 10.5 years.

2/23/2017 Reader comment on KTAR.com:

Bad idea. A return to the 80's anti- crime bills that filled jails to over crowed, needlessly broke up families and took judgement away from judges. Where the ease of prosecution and the most time in 'the system' is the goal. Back to a time when the Department of Corrections became merely a department of detention. This type of lumping one crime with another is unfair to the offender. This will not help catch bad guys, it will not deter bad guys and it will hurt low level offenders, their families and the community, often times for life.

Politicians love sex crime legislation because they can do no wrong. They get to take a hard line on crime, make it easy for cops to have high profile arrest numbers and best of all, fill their friend's private prisons for years on end. There is no 'anti-sex crime' constituency, so the definition gets broader and once included it's a small move to make an offence a 'child sex crime'. Adding mandatory minimum sentences is a win for the prison budget, but a loss to the General Fund, a loss for our judges to decide cases and a loss for those who are needlessly over sentenced. Life time probation and lifetime registration is warranted in many cases. However, it must be remembered that this is a justice system and once justice is served the citizen, who is not a danger, should be allowed to continue with his or her life.

Lumping adult and child crimes together is a disservice to the community and grossly unfair to the accused and guilty alike. Child sex crimes need to be separate so they may be given the attention that a crime against such a vulnerable population deserves. Consenting adults, violating community standards, do have to answer for their behavior. Crimes that do not affect children should not be included with those that do. It takes resources, clouds the view to pin point and monitor actual offenders against children and waters down the meaning of child sex offender.

Protecting children and other vulnerable populations, enforcing community standards and removing violent and deviant people from our streets is important. But, it is no more important than upholding the spirit and integrity of our justice system to dispense justice, correct behavior and allow a citizen to resume his or her role in society once a reasonable sentence and probationary period has been successfully served.

DavePHX

02-28-17, 05:03

Txxxx's Mythical Crackdown on Sex Trafficking (this not using last names is a bit silly even for the Pres?

No, there haven't been an "unprecedented" number of child sex-trafficking rings busted since Donald Txxxx took office.

reason.com report 2/27/2017.

At Townhall.com, sex-crime victims' advocate and author Liz Cxxxxx accuses the mainstream media of "ignoring Txxx's sex trafficking busts. " In Cxxxx's reality, "authorities have arrested an unprecedented number of sexual predators involved in child sex trafficking rings in the United States" since Donald Txxxxx took office on January 20. "There have been a staggering 1,500-plus arrests in one short month; compare that to less than 400 sex trafficking-related arrests in 2014 according to the FBI," cxxxx writes.

This is, as Txxxx would put it, "fake news. " Every part of it. For starters, the 2014 data she links to is far from a complete account of USA Sex-trafficking arrests that year. It reflects incomplete state-level arrest numbers from just 26 USA States, Guam, and the Virgin Islands. It does not include all state sex-trafficking arrests, by far, nor does it include any sex trafficking arrests by federal agencies such as the FBI and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), which make thousands of sex trafficking arrests annually (though far fewer trafficking indictments and convictions).

The idea that there have been "an unprecedented number" of sex traffickers arrested since Txxxx took office has similarly little basis in reality, and there's zero truth to the claim of law-enforcement busting up child sex-trafficking rings. Meanwhile, many of the arrests Crxxxx includes in her tally—arrests that include mostly women selling sex and men trying to engage in consensual adult prostitution—are part of annual sting operations, were the result of investigations in the works long before Txxxxxx took office, and / or had absolutely nothing to do with federal law-enforcement directives or activities. (That is, when we can check Crxxx sources; two of the pages she links to as evidence can't be found.).

Here are the arrests that Cxxxx credits as Donald Txxxxx p-brokered busts of pedophile trafficking rings:

478 people arrested in a statewide California sting that included zero sex-trafficking arrests, according to a press release from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. One-hundred and forty-two men were arrested for attempting to pay consenting adult women for sexual activity. Thirty-six men were arrested for pimping. The rest of those arrested—300 in total—were women taken in on prostitution charges or people in trouble for charges unrelated to commercial sexual activity.

178 men arrested in Texas for soliciting prostitution from an undercover cop posing as a consenting adult sex worker. The stings were part of a nationwide "Johns Suppression Initiative" organized annually by Cook County, Illinois, Sheriff Tom Dcccc.

Four "pimps" and 12 people arrested on unspecified charges during a month-long Detroit operation concluded two days after Txxxx took office.

11 people arrested as part of a "five-month cyber-sting operation led by the Spotsylvania Sheriff's Office Child Exploitation Unit in partnership with the Northern Virginia Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force. " The sting—a To Catch a Predator-style operation involving police posing online as a 13-year-old into older men—began in October 2016 and ended in early February.

As evidence of these arrests that Cxxxx doesn't think are being covered in the mainstream media, she links to news reports on ABC, NBC, and CBS news affiliates, describing events also covered widely by other media in their respective states or regions. The California sting was also reported by mainstream print and broadcast media across the country, as was the broader National Johns Suppression Initiative that resulted in the Texas arrests.

DavePHX

02-28-17, 06:41

Tax Dollars protecting us from dangerous Canadian sexworkers.

Since legal in Canada USA Customs determined to keep out of the USA.

SAFER BORDER CROSSING TIPS FOR SEX WORKERS.

This is how serious just traveling to the USA If anyone is involved in sexwork. Totally legal in Canada for sex workers, but a huge crime of immorality in the USA Which is the basis for ICE deportations and potential interrogation if any suspicions of this huge crime in the USA Must protect the USA From those big dangerous breasts and any wrong kind of pleasure sharing between consenting adults.

Sex workers are at risk of being detained and questioned as the US border, which can be a traumatic process. Authorities will quiz you on the most intimate details of your life. We have put together this guide to support you in the process so that you can be better prepared. This guide is not legal advice, it is legal information.

AM I AT RISK?

If you have worked as a prostitute in the last 10 years you are at risk of being stopped, questioned and prevented from entering the US.

You do not need to have been convicted or criminally charged prior to being stopped at the border and you do not need to be traveling for work purposes to be stopped.

Dave notes this is the beginning of an extensive guide from MAGGIES TORONTO SUPPORTS THE RIGHTS OF SEX WORKERS TO CROSS BORDERS, TO MOVE, AND WORK WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION OR CRIMINALIZATION.

There has been a lot of discussion that both sexworkers and customers from Canada to the USA Can face extensive interrogation if there is any hint of sexwork participation. Suggestions include having no link to any websites, no e-mails or texts on your phone related to anything adult related as phones, tablets, laptops can be searched. On average, questioning takes 9-12 hours. So you may miss any connecting flights.

Any phone you bring into the USA Should never have a number that can be traced to any adult ad or review.

Most likely you will be banned from entering the US for a minimum of 5 years. If you travel in the US before the ban is over, you will be charged with a federal crime. Remember that legally you cannot enter the US within 10 years of working as a prostitute.

MUCH more at.

http://maggiestoronto.ca/uploads/File/FINAL_USborderrights.htm

DavePHX

03-03-17, 09:07

The Hand Angels. A Heroic Volunteer Group That Provides Hand Jobs For The Physically Disabled.

You feel sorry for them about their physical incapabilities, but they get horny, too, and that needs to be acknowledged. They deserve the natural high of sexual release just like the rest of us perverts do.

This is where Hand Angel comes in, a Taiwan based non-governmental organization that provides handjibbers to men who are not able to provide themselves handjibbers.

Taiwan has one of the best health systems in the world; its million or so disabled citizens receive some of the most thorough medical attention you'll find, including everything from long-term care to traditional herbal medicine. What they don't receive from this system, however, is any kind of aid when it comes to slightly more intimate issues, namely: orgasms.

It was for this reason that a group of social campaigners and volunteers took it upon themselves to create Hand Angel, an NGO whose main service is giving handjobs to the severely disabled. Members say that their work raises awareness of the fact that disabled people are often depicted as desexualized—as well as having their sexuality constantly neglected—despite the fact they share exactly the same desires as anybody else.

The group of hand job providers is made up of 10 people from various backgrounds — men, women, heterosexuals, and homosexuals among them. These volunteers are all instructed to keep it at second base. Kissing, caressing, and hugging are in play, but all forms of penetration are off limits. Just a group a selfless hand job providers. All heroes.

In Europe and the United States have sex workers, Japan has also been white gloves and other groups to serve the sexually handicapped sexuality. And in some countries in Europe is sent to the disabled who "sexual welfare coupons" for the disabled to find sex workers, to explain the physiological pressure. These countries have progressed to see the sexual needs of the disabled.

"Hand angel" is a group of friends with the concept of practical power, we see the "sex" important to the individual, assembled in early 2013 and saw the desire of Taiwan's severe physical disability was tied, and the traditional value to the shackles, The first local volunteer group - "hand angel" we look forward to be able to loose some of the desire to be tied by the disability.

http://totalfratmove.com/the-hand-angels-are-a-heroic-volunteer-group-that-provide-hand-jobs-for-the-physically-disabled/

And http://www.handjobtw.org/?page_id=2 (translate from Chinese).

DavePHX

03-04-17, 05:59

Idea for those not interested in the high dollar gals.

"whiteman" in Ottawa started a popular private list as a restricted-access Google Sheet in mid 2016. It had 50 listing last fall and probably getting close to 100 by now.

A provider qualifies if her rates are less than $150/ half-hour, or less than $200/ hour.

The list is not to be shared publicly and only for customers. Requires at least 20 posts or average of at least 10 posts a year to be included to exclude lurkers.

Of course, there is no offer of sex for money. Includes name, affiliation of with agency etc. , url of website and any social media accounts or a forum review. Rates for 30,45 or 60 minutes or longer.

Reasonable physical description, age range, hair color, height, weight category etc.

For those from the USA $CDN200 is about $US150/ hr.

BigDickRick

03-07-17, 20:17

Seems like I can never have enough viagra onhand. Any advice on how to get some online without a scipt?

DavePHX

03-08-17, 06:02

Seems like I can never have enough viagra onhand. Any advice on how to get some online without a scipt?Probably only get the fake stuff without a Rx. But easy to get a Rx from your Dr. I get from Canada at a fraction of the cost in the USA And from a Canadian manufacturer. It is off patent protection in Canada due to an error on the extension request. They take Rx from USA Docs.

BigDickRick

03-08-17, 08:52

Which site do you recommend.

Probably only get the fake stuff without a Rx. But easy to get a Rx from your Dr. I get from Canada at a fraction of the cost in the USA And from a Canadian manufacturer. It is off patent protection in Canada due to an error on the extension request. They take Rx from USA Docs.

Ralf511

03-08-17, 15:29

Probably only get the fake stuff without a Rx. But easy to get a Rx from your Dr. I get from Canada at a fraction of the cost in the USA And from a Canadian manufacturer. It is off patent protection in Canada due to an error on the extension request. They take Rx from USA Docs.It there a place you prefer from Canada? I have heard of some ripoffs!

Thanks for all your help always!

DavePHX

03-08-17, 16:45

It there a place you prefer from Canada? I have heard of some ripoffs!
Legitimate Generic Sildenafil. Same active ingredient as Pfizer: 30 pills, 100 mg for $99.00 ($3. 30 each) + $10 shipping. If you only need 50 mg you can use a pill splitter. 50 mg tabs are almost the same price as 100 mg so cheaper to get 100 mg and split.

I did extensive report.

My Hunt for Hard Times with Viagra Generics at.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18879

I buy from CanadaPharmacyOnline.com.

Rx is only good for a year so I reordered 30 for $99 even though I still have plenty from last years order. May take a few weeks to get in mail. Canadian postal service much slower than in the USA.

There are various source options, a lot from India. But I stick with the Canadian manufacturer option.

DavePHX

03-08-17, 17:03

Spanky480

03-08-17, 21:51

Oh yes they call you back by phone to confirm order. I also often have a problem with some credit cards declined when charged from a foreign country like Canada. I have to call cc companies to be sure they know I am going to be in Canada. Was stuck at hotel check-in once until called credit company to verify I was legitimate in Canada.

The prices I gave are in $US. Site must tie to country of mailing address. If in $CDN we get about a 25% discount on the exchange rate.Any input of meds from South of the border? My buddy can get Cialis for a very reasonable price. I think he said it was like 20 for 30 bucks or something like that. We were discussing it this morning and he is going to let me try one out and if it serves its purpose then I will place my order. My fear is that I will only get a placebo but 30 is worth the risk.

DavePHX

03-09-17, 16:02

I trust Canada more than Mexico for drugs. They have controls and approvals similar to the FDA in the USA As long as buy from a licensed accredited source.

I usually get 3-4 star hotels via Priceline at about $45 - Courtyard by Marriott's, Best Western, Novetel etc. Not really interested in a budget Super 8 type hotel.

IBIS is mostly just in Europe, where I have never been.

FatFinger

03-09-17, 20:12

Seems like I can never have enough viagra onhand. Any advice on how to get some online without a scipt?All Day Chemist from India. Cheap and it's the real deal generic for viagra. Plus cheap. No script or call back.

MyDixieWrecked

03-10-17, 12:05

3 summers ago I paid 24 bucks a pill. Been without insurance for a while and I just got a new script. I went to wally world and my script was for 10. They were freaking $61 ish dollars a pill! I could not believe it. I don't know about other places but wally will let you get a partial script. I got 2. Later online I found that if you download a coupon from the pfizer site, you can get half off the cost of 6. So 6 pills for about 190 ish bucks. I am sticker shocked at the increase since I last bought them.

Years ago when I went to mexico you could get the real deal for 12 bucks. I have used it enough to know, those $12 pill back then were real. They were individually wrapped and in a pretty neat packaging. About a year ago, I was In mexico for a day and I bought some from a different place (the original place I bought is long gone). These were also 12 bucks but not in a neat individual package. They were not real not even kind of.

A friend of mine was getting the $99 bottle with about 50 pills or whatever in it. They also were not real, although my friend stated they worked for him.

I don't want to leave home without it, as I have been on "dates" and not been able to deliver. This is frustrating. I even had one woman tell me "you should have taken viagra". Truth is, I should have been on a date with a horrible provider who was rushing me and looking at her phone the whole time. Don't leave home without it.

DavePHX

03-10-17, 19:01

Got this link from a burner phone recently:
http://www.mesabuyerbeware.com/
I assume you must have called a fake ad? Otherwise how would anyone get your phone if just visiting a website?

DavePHX

03-11-17, 03:29

Country's oldest bank by female sex workers opens it doors for male customers.

KOLKATA Updated: Mar 08,2017.

The head office of Usha Multipurpose Co-operative Society in Sonagachi, the largest red light area of the country. (Samir Jana).

The country's oldest 'bank' run by and for female sex workers, Usha Multipurpose Co-operative Society, is on an expansion mode and is opening its doors to male customers. Established on June 21,1995, bank is located in India's largest red light area of Sonagachi in Kolkata.

However, the male customers, who have to become members of the cooperative, will have no voting rights.

Over the past 22 years, the outfit that is for the sex workers, of the sex workers and by the sex workers has flourished under the guidance and stewardship of a board of nine, all of whom are female sex workers.

"We meet twice a month where we sanction loans, deliberate on ways to raise collections, recovery of sticky loans and fluctuation of interest rates," said Shefali xxx chairperson of Usha.

The bank has three branches at Kalighat, Sonagachi and Dinhata (Cooch Behar district). It has a network of 16 collection centres in red lights areas of the state where 28 agents, all children of sex workers, collect deposits every day.

"Our work is expanding throughout Bengal and we want to spread the operations. Therefore, we can no longer limit it to female sex workers. We are ready to take applications from males. Apart from individuals, the bank will also now cater to construction workers, domestic workers and other marginalised sections," said Smarajit xxx, chief adviser of Durbar Mahila Samanwaya Committee, the body of sex workers that run the bank. Jana was also the brain behind the bank 22 years ago.

"We welcome the move because more accounts mean more money for the bank, which, in turn, can disburse more loans to us," said Rupali Ghosh (name changed) a sex worker in Sonagachi.

Then she hastened to add, "One has to tell male customers when they stand in the queue with us, they should behave properly. ".

The move has already secured the approval of the state government under the administrative control of which the bank functions.

Hippiesicle

03-13-17, 09:39

Not sure how many people remember Melissa Joy (buxom redhead who was more active 5 plus years ago). I used to see her frequently, but as the years went by, it got to be fewer and further in between. I text her yesterday and got a response from her friend several hours later. Said she passed away on 2/27 from liver failure.

Out of all the providers I've seen, I kept going back to her the most because she was cool and easy to get along with. On every occasion I would end up staying at least an hour afterwards just talking with her. I remember back in the day she would always have just an upbeat attitude, even if she wasn't in the best situation. The past couple times I saw her, it all seemed to be catching up to her. I will certainly miss her.

DavePHX

03-13-17, 17:31

Melissa Joy (buxom redhead who was more active 5 plus years ago). .Sad news. I seem to recall a number of Melissa's but vaguely since long ago. If you can send me her old e-mail and / or phone. Privately if you prefer, I'd like to check in my database. I still have about 350 companions that get the Private E-mail List updates.

DavePHX

03-17-17, 05:11

Why the fear for M&G's and my observations.

Note there was a great long post about the old days and why not more meet and greets today out of fear of the legal issues, on the big board. I seldom post there since often my posts are rejected. I wonder if Elms still has some control and since what he did to me is why he went to prison and the moderators reject most of my rare posts.

The post I replied to was similar to mine, about the folks and parties in the old days and the posters experience very similar to my rejected reply.

But this was my rejected reply that might be of interest here.

There should be no legal fear of an M&G as long as not done like the DD's was. But done like the condo parties I hosted with about 100, and the Madam Rose's Toys for Tots, Jack's mystique meetings, etc. I remember Vampy being at many of them!

In my humble opinion the problems with the few M&G's of the last five years or so, that I have been at is if you are not well known in the group and not the social butterfly it is very hard to get much out of them other than boredom unless you just want to drink a lot and talk sports.

I realize while I am outspoken I am not a social butterfly unless I am leading it like when I MC'd the condo parties. I thought it was just me until I brought as a friend. A former world bodybuilding champion (many years ago as Ms. Germany) and she made the same comment to me at a Jack Mystique party. Jack and I have been friends for decades and of course Jack is a very friendly good host. Only after we left in boredom not easily getting into conversations we met a couple of gals in the parking lot and had the best conversation of the night. The party was retiring to a nearby Scottsdale strip club which turned out splendid for myself and Ms. Germany.

Later a few years ago there was another M&G, but only about 12 folks showed up until more at the very end- many from this board. I think I was with Ms. Germany or someone else, forget and other than a great conversation with I believe his handle is tennis elbow (or some form of Tennis) it was the same thing until towards the end Jack came with some of his crowd and he introduced us to his folks. "Tennis" is a very sharp guy which we enjoyed meeting but never really had a chance to meet many other gals. I recall one who is active still today here that we wanted to meet but she was always with other guys, and we didn't want to intrude. Annalise I believe.

Some of these gals I'd never meet as companions since not interested in the typical fees, being spoiled by Canada and not interested in the usual stuff to pay more than $200/ hr- for giving massage, companionship, intelligent conversation. Of course not sex since that is illegal to pay for.

The other problem if there are some folks like myself who are not interested in just sitting around for 5 hours drinking (in my case diet cokes) and mostly bored for a M&G say from 7 pm till midnight. Most folks drag in at different times so unless you are willing to stay the whole time don't know when to come.

I know I am in the minority but like more a structured meet. Or like Rose good at introducing folks have nametags (critical in my view) and the raffle etc. At the condo we met in large community room, had a set social time, an introduction of all the gals, open discussion on issue of concern and then for those wanting to join in the "sky high condo" where I did massage demos had Sybian set up and was a great group (although crowded).

Likewise, I have been to some great M&Gs in Toronto. At a Halloween party, I have this outfit that is a huge USA Dollar bill! Although its faded a bit now.

No, I am not interested in organizing a party. Don't have the time or interest anymore. But just tossing out ideas pro and con from the good old days before all the legal issues created so much fear. However, there should be no fear for an M&G as long as no fee arrangements are made for any future sexual contact and under AZ law no one is "assisting" anyone in the business. Just a social meeting.

In the DD case, it wasn't only what was done at the party but the owner trusting the "fisherman" and various others undercover's with his explicit discussion of sex for money as well as the solicitations at the party. Hope Glen is back on his feet and doing well, that was one of the many sad results of the DD case, having to spend time in prison. He is such a nice guy and the great photos he did for so many gals.

Oh yes, and long ago the M&G I was a bit late arriving after being at Rose's and as I walked in a great gal with a great voice sang the full 1st verse of "Oh Canada" as I came in! For old times this was like 20 years ago. The gal that did the online video chats with various escorts from a Studio in downtown Phoenix I visited.

DavePHX

03-17-17, 06:47

Why the fear for M&G's and my observations.
Update.

The entire thread has been deleted with the other good replies to the original post. Apparently, even handles can not be used is considered personal info even if no real names are used.

I may repost with xxx's in all the handles!

DavePHX

03-18-17, 04:52

Studio Case Update. Phoenix.

All information is in the public record and all names have been deleted.

On 3/6/2017 the State rested after 25 trial days.

Before the defense case starts 3/20, a flood of motions by the State and many hearings and continuances. Having been in this same judge's court observing the Goddess Temple case, often these motions are deferred until related testimony is attempted at trial when an objection can be raised and ruling made in absence of the jury.

Defense filed a special action to the Court of Appeals to stay proceedings but Appeals Court refused it.

Defense now has 3 attorneys, although the latest lead attorney has filed a motion to withdraw after meeting with the State ethics board and certain matters. (He has had various prior attorneys or advisory attorney's withdraw over the years the case has been in Court.) One of the current attorney's is "are" I talked a lot with who represented a defendant in the Temple case. Especially he talked to me about the witness that testified he was hired by the DOD to provide prostitutes for the Navy via Isreal (long story I reported on before).

Huge motion fight all exceeding 15-page limit with courts permission over the Qsee QS-106 DVR recorder and how copies of hard drive obtained and if tampered with or not. State argues they were only security camera's not part of "behind the scenes" production videos vs, Defense wants them admitted to show the "deep throat" scene was not sexual assault as one worker claims. Because the machine is so hard to copy an investigator bought identical recorder on E-bay to see and copy the hard drive.

State's motion was 36 pages and defense was also very long. Ten studio women testified for the State they were told the cameras were only for security and never told they would be used for "behind the scenes" commercial use and never authorized their release. Most had taken felony plea deals with probation vs risk long prison terms related to the overall criminal enterprise charges.

State motioned to preclude testimony defense questioning witnesses chastity with numerous case cites.

State motioned to preclude defense questions of a detective on his integrity regarding a 1996 issue related to an illness.

State motioned to preclude any porn defense based on A. Are. S. 13-3502 with cites including the three prongs in the famous M. Vs Calf porn case. Dave notes the AZ law requires porn to be "obscene" to be a felony, which may be a huge legal issue like in the CA case.

State moved to preclude an "advice of counsel" defense.

State moved to preclude admission of self-serving hearsay which relates it seems to statements before his arrest.

State moved to compel video evidence related to the "deep throat" sexual assault charge.

Dave notes other than the alleged "deep throat" incident this is another costly State battle against 16 consenting adults in the 2013 raid of the Studio after an extensive costly undercover investigation.

Dave notes long before the raid I had warned the owner that all other porn studio cases in Phoenix had been lost. However, none of the prior cases have been as aggressively defended as this one.

I am not a lawyer and do not offer legal advice which can only be obtained by a competent lawyer.

DavePHX

03-19-17, 08:17

This is from the 2014 arrest 4 males and 3 females. One female sentenced long ago to 1-year in prison by plea as I recall. There is still outstanding one warrant for a person indicted that has not yet been found. The club was a somewhat popular incall.

Now the rest of those that went to trial have all been found guilty by jury, had mitigation hearings in 2017 and now final sentencing which appear all to be the presumptive sentence under the Arizona mandatory requirements if no mitigation or aggravation.

Stephen (owner).

Sentenced to 9. 25 years in prison based on jury conviction of 2 counts of criminal enterprise, money laundering and operating a house of prostitution. All counts concurrent which results in the sentence required for the most serious count which is 9. 25 years in prison.

Robert.

Sentenced to 5 years in prison same counts as Stephen.

Lola.

Sadly she AGAIN violated probation terms of drug treatment for her plea deal. Arrest was made (again) and next hearing 3/29/17.

Stephen and Adam have filed appeals which is a very long process. In the Phoenix Temple case appeal was filed about a year ago and the transcripts are not even all in yet and on the 6th extension. None of the briefs can filed and the case doesn't really begin until all the trial and hearing transcripts forwarded by the lower court to the Appeals Court. In the meantime defendants remain in prison during the Appeals process, which is rarely successful.

Dbphx

03-21-17, 16:58

Head Banger

03-23-17, 20:39

Head Banger

03-24-17, 03:40

I don't see any legal forums, but wanted to share this link to an important trial going on in the Seattle area.

A2, hope it's ok to post this here. The link is a way to help fund the defense against a prosecutor who is trying to convict two guys based off information they got from Internet review sites. If the prosecution wins, it would set a precident time for other states to go after people through online methods of tracking posts to server IP addresses, then getting legal court orders to make cable companies provide physical home addresses tied to though IPs, and then charge the occupant with pandering by creating reviews.

I know many of us don't have much to help contribute, but if enough people contribute a little, it could become a significant help. Donations can be made anonymously as well. Prepaid Visa cards from grocery stores will work, just pay for it in cash. Then put an address and phone number you are comfortable using when registering the card. There is no wrong answer for those registration fields, and I was able to donate anonymously. Please consider helping in this fight. It's bad enough we have to worry about LEO tracking us if we legally use our 1st amendment rights to speak out about how they are arresting consenting adults and charging men with pandering, pimping, and even falsely accusing some of HT. (Which, for real HT cases, or forcing someone into any form of slavery is wrong). I know it's a pain in the ass to do something and help, but the consequences of loosing a case like this may be worth the hassle. I guarantee nobody will be willing to March and show public displays of protest to protect our freedoms. Thanks for your time.

https://www.fundedjustice.com/61CCD4

Fuck, ok, but how many times do I have to write and say that these guys were NOT just posting reviews. They started hooking up as a "club" in reality, then got involved in the web site, then some of them were openly bragging about being involved in trafficked women.

This was not, I posted a review and got busted.

A2Not sure how much I can post, but I do want to share the truth. Yes, one of two guys were foolishly involved in running the domestic review site, and even providing a place for foreign women to come and work of their own free will. If that equates to trafficking then so be it.

However those guys took a plea deal, as did some other unfortunate guys who got scared by LEO. I've never experienced the level of intimidation they went through, but I'm sure it wasn't easy. The two guys related to this fund support site had some strong will to do what we should all do if ever in a similar situation and just not say anything without a lawyer representing them present.

It might be true that I have met one of the accused, and if so, claim that he in no way ever bragged about anything related to trafficking or setting up shop for any woman. He may have dreamed about meeting women and engaging in consensual sex. Perhaps he made a mistake by dining with people sharing stories, where one of the men's name was LEO. But others than possible dinning stories and stories posted on line, there is no other evidence against him. So the prosecutor has been trying to scare him and another guy into taking a plea deal. This could all be make believe, and perhaps I'm an insane story teller. You get my drift.

Why do I say that? Because there was one guy, who didn't go to any meet and greets, was very careful with proxy server routing to keep his identity clean; and was Only found because the Seattle LE had a big enough bug up their butts to trace an IP from one of his reviews to a different state. Initially the hotel where that IP was registered was not willing to cooperate with a different state's LE, so pressure was put on the Hotel's local state LE to where they capitulated and turned over their guest registrar.

This man unfortunately lived in the great legally weed smoking state of Washington, where they arrested him, Zooey based on reviews.

That should cause many of us to take pause and realize the significance of what happened.

I feel safe enough posting on site because I think A2 really knows what he's doing. But the point of the above story is that it is not right what some law enforcement agencies are doing, and we all need to beware that our rights are being abused.
Yes, A2 really does know what he's doing and this;

"Because there was one guy, who didn't go to any meet and greets, was very careful with proxy server routing to keep his identity clean; and was Only found because the Seattle LE had a big enough bug up their butts to trace an IP from one of his reviews to a different state. Initially the hotel where that IP was registered was not willing to cooperate with a different state's LE, so pressure was put on the Hotel's local state LE to where they capitulated and turned over their guest registrar."

I strongly suspect was somebody telling you a story. Hotels use wifi nearly exclusively. Most of them also use WPA 2 to secure the signal but they never change the password so tracing a posts IP address to a hotel guest would not in anyway be possible to the burden of proof required in a criminal case. It wouldn't even identify the floor they were one because routers are on every couple floors. The only way that turning over a guest registrar would establish who had been there would be if he was the only one there.

To be fair it could give them the MAC address of his computer IF and its a really big IF the routing tables in the PARTICULAR router he had connected to retained his mac address. Having a MAC address though wouldn't identify him. That info would only be useful if they found him another way and then found the computer in his possession.

Like I said, this innocent guy who never did anything but post a report probably isn't telling you the truth.

A2

Head Banger

03-24-17, 11:54

Yes, A2 really does know what he's doing and this

I strongly suspect was somebody telling you a story. Hotels use wifi nearly exclusively. Most of them also use WPA 2 to secure the signal but they never change the password so tracing a posts IP address to a hotel guest would not in anyway be possible to the burden of proof required in a criminal case. It wouldn't even identify the floor they were one because routers are on every couple floors. The only way that turning over a guest registrar would establish who had been there would be if he was the only one there.

To be fair it could give them the MAC address of his computer IF and its a really big IF the routing tables in the PARTICULAR router he had connected to retained his mac address. Having a MAC address though wouldn't identify him. That info would only be useful if they found him another way and then found the computer in his possession.

Like I said, this innocent guy who never did anything but post a report probably isn't telling you the truth.

A2I heard about the guy busted via the IP link to his reviews on the domestic site second hand. But yes, he used a laptop. LE got a warrant to search his home and found the laptop and matched the MAC address. The guy took a plea deal. He probably should've tried to fight it, but the current legal case for the two other guys is likely to be around the $100 K level. I suspect the plea deal seemed significantly better than fighting for him.

Question for A2, and thanks for your time in responding, if we use phones, are we safe from being identified by MAC addresses? I had a scare recently when TER messaged me that two different reviews came from my static home IP. Reason was I had a friend visit and we used our phones to access my wireless router. I have since stopped posts on their site from my wifi and just use my regular iPhone connection.

Phones NAT from IP6 to IP4 then out and the reverse back. So in theory no. The safety is in the fact that there are gozillions of fucking phones.

Like I said, your guy wasn't IDENTIFIED through his posting, he was IDENTIFIED and then his posting was discovered by an examination of the physical evidence. If you want to learn the lesson from this then find out the no bullshit reason he was IDENTIFIED because I'll bet all the fucking money I make in the next year it wasn't from posting on an anonymous message board that collects no information whatsoever from it's members beyond an email address like ours.

A2

Stomp2

03-24-17, 18:04

Just to be clear I don't think the government can charge the occupant to an IP address without the occupant admitting he was using the computer and / or the government analyzing the computer forensically to prove the reviews were written on the computer. The occupant could have been hacked and / or IP spoofed and if there is no hard drive to analyze and no admissions then the government would have no case.He probably got busted because he did not request a topless pic for screening!

DavePHX

03-24-17, 18:43

The State's charge has nothing to do with "sex trafficking" but "Promoting Prostitution in the Second Degree". There is a 12-page "Certification For Determination of Probably Cause" which is about reviews posted which promoted specific "prostitutes" as well as e-mails as well as meet and greet meetings related to the group etc, etc. Very broad which is why the defense motions.

In the case summary in the bail hearing, the main points are membership in websites, member of the group and more specifically, "wrote lengthy and graphic reviews of the prostituted women on the websites. The reviews are designed to inform others about the cost of the prostituted person, her location, the sex acts to be purchased, and how to navigate the screening process to see her. The reviews typically vouch for the physical attributes of the women as well. The reviews are further intended to expand the market for prostitution in the Pacific Northwest, increase the business of the local brothels, and increase the volume of foreign women brought to the region. ".

The foreign women were Korean and all consenting adults. Out of $300/ hour fee they were paid $200. All charges related to "promoting. ".

In the 8 page motion of C. P. "Defendant's Motion for Bill of Particulars" the Defense seeks more specifics of the elements of the charges, and who, when etc to develop a more specific defense and of the Statute of Limitations may apply. The Court granted order and has directed the State to provide a bill of particulars.

Also seeks specifics what specific "advancing prostitution" is relied upon referring to a Washington 1979 appeals case. The methods of "advancing" includes "aids a person to commit or engage in prostitution", solicits customers for prostitution". "other conduct designed to institute, aid, or facilitate an act or enterprise of prostitution. ".

While this case is very broad it does raise a real concern about reviews as promotion. In Phoenix I often see reviews included in probable cause statements for felony indictments of massage places, escorts with a driver or phone helper, or of course agencies are easy criminal enterprise charges including all the workers by mere "association. ".

Arizona law has an "assist" or promote law from a few years ago. Colorado has a similar law proposed and probably other states since these laws were part of the anti-prostitution crusade with all sorts of LE meetings nationally. In Phoenix, our Senators wife (ran for Pres) and former governor have an anti-prostitution commission that got the broad laws passed and is still active.

The current Seattle case could be critical and if State wins could invite other States to look at reviews etc for "promoting".

Desert Rat

03-31-17, 02:25

Every time a big event comes to town so does LE. Please use extreme caution this weekend. I am going underground until everyone clears out of here.

Heel Lover

04-01-17, 19:54

Every time a big event comes to town so does LE. Please use extreme caution this weekend. I am going underground until everyone clears out of here.I'm staying out of phx this weekend. Everyone please be careful. Amount of traffic (and cops) will be insane. Not normally one to "preach" as we are all adults and this site is about fun times! But this weekend would definitely just be a good weekend to use a little extra caution / common sense (especially when drinking).

Again sorry for the rant, but the people who post on this board all share some extremely valuable information with me / others. Our love of naked women make us quite the online fraternity and I just want everyone to be safe.

Now I just need to find time (after this weekend) to make it back to HiLiter. Probably end of the month (once again) due to some prior (Saturday) commitments.

Edit I know the games are in Glendale haha. Phx has plenty going on as well though.

DavePHX

04-02-17, 06:35

Never discuss or offer sex for money. Here are latest of the zillion felony cases I am following in Phoenix to warn others about the legal situation and the importance of the current ESPLEP case at the 9th Circuit challenging the prostitution law. Too bad we don't follow a harm reduction model like in Canada vs increasing harm by the criminal legal status which results in failure to report bad things to LE.

Reminder that almost all cases take pleas for a felony but probation vs. Potential decades in prison if found guilty at trial since most charged with criminal enterprise, money laundering etc. Often the prison term potential is far more than for violent crimes with "real" victims. For example, Tracy of Goddess Temple was warned by judge she could face 40 years in prison if didn't take a plea. She lost at trial but due to judge sentencing all the many counts concurrently was only sentenced to 4. 5 years in prison where she now sadly resides. The other 37 defendants took pleas for probation. All cases are for in private consenting adults.

Both for privacy and easier to track I am starting to use Defendant numbers given by the court instead of first names.

Relaxation Station.

8 indicted, 1 outstanding arrest warrant. 3 have taken felony pleas. The rest have their cases continuing.

Def 08 sentenced to 2 years supervised probation on felony since had keys and was a receptionist. Undercover also got an offer for a hand job. Did traffic stop on two leaving customers, one admitted to a HJ and another denied any sex took place. As she said in her presentence report "There were no victims in this matter. ".

Def 01 pled and sentenced to 18 months probation for facilitation to commit illegal enterprise.

Def 70- took felony plea in March. Sentencing 4/25.

Next Conference 4/11/2017 for those not yet pled. Except Def 04 and Def 06 for 4/4/2017.

Rose Garden Health. Final Report.

5 indicted - 3 pled from earlier reports and in March 2017 final disposition on last 2 with charges dismissed. Very odd to have dismissed and no details why in the court record.

Red Mountain Day Spa.

4 indicted and all pled guilty.

Latest: Male owner 3 years probation.

Def 03 was receptionist and sentenced to 2 years probation on felony.

Def 01 Felony plea insisting just did body rubs nothing sexual. Sentenced to 2 years probation.

Def 02 Had worked at Spa for less than 3 months, took felony plea with 3 years probation.

Bust was the result of an anonymous complaint on 9/24/2015. LE got a customer to admit his penis was touched for $50 and a undercover got a handjob.

Studio 15 gals.

Felony plea deals except for one just now arrested long ago but sentencing is delayed with ongoing trial of owner. Some have testified for the State at owners current trial.

Defendant 10 arrested and pled. All have sentencing date of 4/5/2017 but probably will keep getting continued until owners trial is over.

Amazing Spa. Tempe.

4 indicted, 1 pled so far: Def 02 pled to felony and sentenced to 3 years probation.

Next conference 5/4/17 and scheduled trial 8/2/2017 (but trial dates often continued sometimes for a year or more trying to get more pleas). Case is young with arrests in May 2016 after a 9 month investigation and 1700 pages of initial State discovery.

Chandler Massage House.

Disable, retired elderly man modified a bedroom in Chandler home for massage and rented it out and split fees with a worker. Pled to house of prostitution felony and sentenced to 2 years probation. The presentence report recommended sex offender status, but this was not in the final sentencing.

I don't know if any workers got charged since probably only misdemeanor prostitution. I only follow the felony cases in Superior Court.

Married couples incall.

This case is from 2015 Wife pled to felony in 2016 with 2 years probation but husband failed to show up for trial and arrest warrant issued. Arrested and initial appearance on 3/30/2017. Next hearing 4/10/2017.

Thai Agency.

From 2015 raid. Worker took felony plea in 2016 with 2 years probation. Owners case continues with pretrial 5/11/2017 and trial scheduled for 5/18/2017 but all dates often continued.

REAL Pimp case.

Male (M) sentenced for pandering to 2 years probation.

M sent V (vice cop). On Facebook "hey what's up. Baby ima pimp so just you know. ".

V: "cool with it".

M: "could make 5 bands a week".

V: Asked if she could refuse fetish stuff.

M: "sure fetish stuff you do nt you dnt got to do anal unless you want baby. ".

Met at a Chandler restaurant with police waiting and arrested. He claimed was just about his business as an artist. I'd'd as a gang member but no prior felony record.

Sunset Strip six defendants in raid filmed by 3 TV.

Odd case lots of probable cause with undercover's offered sex and search warrant seized computers and tons of stuff. However, there seems never an arrest and no further court record other than the 2016 listing of defendants and the search warrant.

On Google reviews, as of 3/31/2017 has a review "2 weeks ago" saying had customers inside and strippers outside smoking but when asked the dancers they said they were closed. Asked when open said they are always closed. Still has website at https://www.sunsetstripclub.com It was well known as a ripoff place.

DavePHX

04-08-17, 05:41

The Studio raid was in 2013. Owner has been in jail ever since unable to raise bail. The many women took felony plea deals long ago for probation instead of prison and many of them testified for the State against the owner.

From AP in national media:

4/7/2017 - PHOENIX (AP) — A man accused of operating a brothel out of his pornography production studio in Phoenix was convicted Friday of operating a house of prostitution, pandering and sexual assault.

Xxxxxx insisted he operated a legitimate studio where amateurs could rent cameras, lights and props to create their own sex scenes with the help of a model.

But authorities say it was a cleverly disguised brothel.

Police say female employees who took customers into rooms would insist on shooting a minutes-long video or taking 10 photos with sexual content before the cameras were discarded and they began to have sex.

Prosecutors say the images were taken to guard against future prostitution allegations.

Xxxx also was charged with sexually assaulting two women, but was acquitted of one of the two charges.

Additional report azcentral:

Xxxxx said the amateur movie makers paid to rent cameras, lights, props and models to create their desired sex scenes. He said all payments were made to a front desk for the studio time.

Police and prosecutors, however, said that claim was little more than a front for what actually was going on: People were able to pay for women to have sex.

The jury found xxxxx guilty of two counts of conspiracy to commit illegal control of an enterprise, two counts of illegal control of an enterprise, one count of sexual assault, one count of pandering, one count of maintaining a house of prostitution, one count of receiving earnings of prostitution, one count of aggravated assault and one count of sex trafficking.

He was found not guilty of another sexual-assault count.

The sexual-assault charges stemmed from allegations that xxxxxxxl attacked two women who worked at the business.

Court officials said the aggravation phase of the trial will take place prior to sentencing.

DavePHX

04-08-17, 06:54

April 6, 2017- CNN. A Secret Service agent on Vice President xxxx xxxxxx's detail has been suspended from official duties after meeting a prostitute at a Maryland hotel. Police saw him exiting the hotel. The agent was arrested and was charged with solicitation. He then self-reported his arrest to the Secret Service. The agent was off-duty and did not present himself in his official capacity.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/05/politics/secret-service-agent-prostitute-maryland-hotel/index.html

"The Honest Courtesan" comments:
Seriously, I have had more G-men between my legs than most amateur women have had of any kind of man. Show me a G-man who's never been with a ***** & I'll show you a rookie.

PhxFunLover

04-10-17, 21:21

Too bad we don't follow a harm reduction model like in Canada vs increasing harm by the criminal legal status which results in failure to report bad things to LE.So I know I read an UN (I think) study were legal prostitution didn't reduce human trafficking instead it increased it but I also remember someone saying that the statistical gain in human trafficking cases could be attributed to LE focusing on actual human trafficking. Its wierd to me how in the US we went backwards from the majority of the western countries. I will have to make a trip to Canada sometime to see the difference you are always taking the time to mention it sounds like an eye opening difference. I have been to Europe before and it was a mixed bag but still I never felt unsafe or uncomfortable in Europe's scene.

DavePHX

04-11-17, 01:53

So I know I read an UN (I think) study were legal prostitution didn't reduce human trafficking instead it increased. I will have to make a trip to Canada sometime to see the difference you are always taking the time to mention it sounds like an eye opening difference. I have been to Europe before and it was a mixed bag but still I never felt unsafe or uncomfortable in Europe's scene.1) Depends on how you define "human trafficking" In the USA If husband drives escort wife to a meeting it is "trafficking" Or to "assist or promote".

2) Very different attitude in Canada and most of the world. LE goes after abusive trafficking and under age. Resources freed up to go after "real" victims instead of "pretend" like in the USA The number of bad guys arrested increases since they aren't chasing pretend victims. A Harm reduction model, not that every sex worker is abused and no women would ever choose to use her body that way. Of course they same could be said for football players using their bodies, boxing etc.

3) In Canada everything is so much safer and sane. Much of it using great mostly women owned agencies, huge websites with maybe 30 gals with many pictures of each, complete physical descriptions and often links to indie reviews. Weekly schedules online, call and get a booker who set up. Agency provides nice incall or if outcall driver picks up gal and takes to appt. Provides security but seldom every needed since all in the open and legal. Huge boards with thousands of discussions, honest reviews (not hyped up to get credit since boards are free. Other than ads from gals).

4) Rarely any bad client problems but if so agencies work with police don't fear them. Agency only gets small split with gals getting far more than say the typical 50% split in the USA On a $200/ hr outcall agency maybe gets $40, driver $10-20, gal the rest. Some of the agencies with both outcall and incall have similar rates for both since no driver, but have to rent condo or usually high end hotel rooms. Huge amount of competition keeps rates low and almost unlimited number of gals wanting to work. Often while going to University or a mom that wants only work part time but earns far more than most other jobs so more time for raising children etc.

It isn't like the FKK clubs of Germany but just a totally different attitude and no big deal just normal like any efficiently run business that benefits both the gals and the customers.

Simplewishes

04-11-17, 17:00

Could any one open a thread on this? I have couple of rip offs to pitch and good ones as well.

DrPoon

04-12-17, 14:19

Alot of them are on snapchat.

Could any one open a thread on this? I have couple of rip offs to pitch and good ones as well.

Stomp2

04-13-17, 12:05

Could any one open a thread on this? I have couple of rip offs to pitch and good ones as well.You can post them on the Ripoff Reports thread.

SavannahMike

04-13-17, 12:45

Hey Guys,

I will be visiting in the next month and was wondering who you would suggest as a good provider to see while there. Feel free to PM me if you'd rather do that than put in on the forum. I tried this earlier but got no responses.

Thanks,

DrPoon

04-14-17, 17:09

Seems like a new trend younger girls are dying their hair grey. Seems strange but good.

DavePHX

04-18-17, 05:37

Danger from Hidden Cameras of Customers.

In Toronto, some of the larger agency owners are reporting problems with hidden cameras filming sessions and fake hotel outcall's.

Companions should be aware of how easy it is to conceal a camera and the potential risk of public distribution of such recordings as blackmail or to be sold as porn etc.

Some of the major outcall agencies have announced new policies of having to provide full names of customers and they will call hotels to confirm they are guests. Unlike in the USA, references have never been needed. Since no legal issues. Dangerous clients are rare since if anything bad happens, the Agency or driver will report to police or hotel security. This is "harm reduction" when it is all legal.

A companion says to an agency owner:

Thank you for doing this! As someone who's in this industry and working for an agency, I wish this criteria was adopted more widely between owners and booking agents. I had a client about two month's back film me, had these requirements been enforced by our booking agent, my client may have thought twice before putting his indecent plans in motion. Also, I would be able to report him to the authorities as an attempt to deter him from possibly doing this again with other people and have any existing videos be seized. At least in that scenario, if he has continued, there would be existing reports to corroborate details regarding his behaviour, should someone else be violated similarly by him. I admire how well you take care of your girls.

DavePHX

04-20-17, 08:30

Life in our neighborhood. From forum in my area.

Barb posts: Bearded Dragon Found near 28st / yucca.

Paul replies: Thanks Barb, didn't realize my wife was missing?

Paul, the Embassy Suites are a good place for you to stay when your wife reads this.

Another: I was going to say, enjoy the couch tonight buddy. LOL.

What's a bearded dragon?

It is a big pet lizard.

This reminds me of my post on our neighborhood group in 2015:

Dave: A pig just walked by oinking. Slow moving. Now at top of Calle Santa Cruz. Assume a pet? Drove our German Shepherd wild thinking pork chops for dinner.

Some discussion if really a pig or one of our usual wild Javelina's and can call game and fish to capture.

Dave: If a pig it may be dinner for the coyotes tonight.

Jack: It's my pig she gets out sometimes. She is harmless and her name is Sasha. She is a small black pig and if it's a bigger black pig that's her boyfriend Baccon who is also mine.

Dave concludes Thanks for letting me I wasn't imagining things. Was probably Baccon!

Pet Safety. Coyotes / Owls / Hawks.

We live at 7th Street & Coral Gables and the last two mornings we have had dead rabbits (what was left of them) in the front, side and back yards. Not sure if it is coyotes or some type of owl or hawk. We have been blocking our doggie door at night so our little Sally does not become a Scooby snack. My husband thinks it could be an owl or a hawk because a coyote would have not left anything but fur.

Replies:

There are several GIANT Owls in the neighborhood. Our doggies are also on lockdown.

Sounds like a cat. They are natural born hunters even if domesticated and well fed. One of ours would leave us "presents" at our back door. Hind legs and other extremities.

An owl will generally rip a rabbit in half or so and leave the rest. A coyote will take the whole rabbit.

Finaqua

04-25-17, 22:43

'Dominatrix' Used Videos To Extort Mount Kisco Man, Police Say.

A registered sex offender offering her services as a dominatrix in Connecticut is facing prison time after allegedly extorting a Westchester County man looking to take advantage of her services.

Waterbury resident Faith, 35, was charged following a lengthy investigation dating back to last year after a man from Mount Kisco complained that she allegedly forced him to send her additional money, threatening to out him, according to a rep-am.com report.

Ward was forced to register a sex offender in Connecticut after moving following a conviction of attempted lewd act on a child in South Carolina in October 2000. Her last known address was an apartment in Waterbury.

Ward came into contact with the unidentified Mount Kisco man after she posted an ad on backpage.com - a service similar to Craigslist. Describing herself as "black, dominant, ruthless and plus size," Connecticut State Police said. The man allegedly paid her hundreds of dollars to perform various acts, but Ward recorded him in the process, threatening to expose the footage on the Internet to his wife, friends and family.

According to the report, the two negotiated payments of more than $5,000 in gifts, which the man paid, but Ward still exposed him to his wife. During the subsequent police investigation, Ward was recorded confirming the deals of the extortion over the phone. Videos of the man engaged in sex with Ward, rubbing her feet and cleaning her oven were also recovered.

Ward was arrested and charged with second-degree larceny, voyeurism with malice and disseminating voyeuristic materials. She is being held in jail in lieu of $100,000 bond.

http://mtkisco.dailyvoice.com/police-fire/dominatrix-used-videos-to-extort-mount-kisco-man-police-say/707906/

PhillyFan45

04-26-17, 01:13

His wife now does that to him for free.

'Dominatrix' Used Videos To Extort Mount Kisco Man, Police Say.

A registered sex offender offering her services as a dominatrix in Connecticut is facing prison time after allegedly extorting a Westchester County man looking to take advantage of her services.

Waterbury resident Faith, 35, was charged following a lengthy investigation dating back to last year after a man from Mount Kisco complained that she allegedly forced him to send her additional money, threatening to out him, according to a rep-am.com report.

Ward was forced to register a sex offender in Connecticut after moving following a conviction of attempted lewd act on a child in South Carolina in October 2000. Her last known address was an apartment in Waterbury.

Ward came into contact with the unidentified Mount Kisco man after she posted an ad on backpage.com - a service similar to Craigslist. Describing herself as "black, dominant, ruthless and plus size," Connecticut State Police said. The man allegedly paid her hundreds of dollars to perform various acts, but Ward recorded him in the process, threatening to expose the footage on the Internet to his wife, friends and family.

According to the report, the two negotiated payments of more than $5,000 in gifts, which the man paid, but Ward still exposed him to his wife. During the subsequent police investigation, Ward was recorded confirming the deals of the extortion over the phone. Videos of the man engaged in sex with Ward, rubbing her feet and cleaning her oven were also recovered.

Ward was arrested and charged with second-degree larceny, voyeurism with malice and disseminating voyeuristic materials. She is being held in jail in lieu of $100,000 bond.

http://mtkisco.dailyvoice.com/police-fire/dominatrix-used-videos-to-extort-mount-kisco-man-police-say/707906/

Stomp2

04-30-17, 17:37

Government is bugging cats. Be aware of any pets in a provider's room which could mean she is a decoy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_KittyI wonder how some people get out of bed in the morning?

DavePHX

05-02-17, 02:02

New Zealand decriminalized sex work in 2003. It's crucial to remember that decriminalization and legalization are not the same thing. Decriminalization means the removal of laws that punitively target the sex industry, instead treating sex work much like any other kind of work. In New Zealand, people can work together for safety, and employers of sex workers are accountable to the state. A sex worker can refuse to see a client at any time, for any reason. New Zealand hasn't actually seen an increase in the amount of people doing sex work, but decriminalizing it has made it a lot safer. But the lesson from New Zealand isn't just that its particular legislation is good, but that crucially, it was written in collaboration with sex workers; namely, the New Zealand Prostitutes' Collective. When it came to making sex work safer, they were ready to hear it straight from sex workers themselves.

(Dave notes the decriminalization of street work has many citizens in an uproar calling for reversal. But in private consenting adult sexwork, New Zealand and most of Australia are good positive paths the USA Should follow if it was really concerned about women and safety. Canada also follows the harm reduction model of decriminalizing or largely non-enforcement of C36 against in private clients which if challenged would probably be held unconstitutional as the Supreme Court ruled when incalls were made legal. Outcall's were always legal.).

Ted talk continued:

Here in the UK, I'm part of sex worker-led groups like the Sex Worker Open University and the English Collective of Prostitutes. And we form part of a global movement demanding decriminalization and self-determination. We're supported in our demands by global bodies like UNAIDS, the World Health Organization and Amnesty International. But we need more allies. If you care about gender equality or poverty or migration or public health, then sex worker rights matter to you. Make space for us in your movements. That means not only listening to sex workers when we speak but amplifying our voices. Resist those who silence us, those who say that a prostitute is either too victimized, too damaged to know what's best for herself, or else too privileged and too removed from real hardship, not representative of the millions of voiceless victims. This distinction between victim and empowered is imaginary. It exists purely to discredit sex workers and make it easy to ignore us.

(Dave notes in the UK, the issue is making it legal for two or more gals to work together to be safer. Outcall is legal and one gal working in a flat is legal but not more than one).

Ted Talk Continued:

No doubt many of you work for a living. Well, sex work is work, too. Just like you, some of us like our jobs, some of us hate them. Ultimately, most of us have mixed feelings. But how we feel about our work isn't the point. And how others feel about our work certainly isn't. What's important is that we have the right to work safely and on our own terms.

Sex workers are real people. We've had complicated experiences and complicated responses to those experiences. But our demands are not complicated. You can ask expensive escorts in New York City, brothel workers in Cambodia, street workers in South Africa and every girl on the roster at my old job in Soho, and they will all tell you the same thing. You can speak to millions of sex workers and countless sex work-led organizations. We want full decriminalization and labor rights as workers.

https://www.ted.com/talks/juno_mac_the_laws_that_sex_workers_really_want