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BeenTher
07-02-15, 16:58
=DavePHX;2528923]Police release 100's of names, notes from prostitution probe."But I really want to caution that a lot of these phone numbers have no involvement at all in the (criminal) investigation. They were simply in the contact list of people we were investigating as part of this. ".

Then why publish them? Simple; ruin peoples lives. Ever notice LEO / the only serve warrants at someone's place of employment. Even if you're truly innocent our life as you know it is done. Recent accusations of racism in PDs isn't why there's a lack of trust. There's been a general reduction in the quality and honesty of LEO over the past several decades. I remember when cops were your neighbors, friends and relatives and understood sometime people have a bit of bad judgment (brain farts), minor things. Just gave a warning. Not anymore, the tough ass new breed cops with their GI Joe hair cuts, skin tight shirts and tac gear will arrest or accuse you of anything to control you. We're all criminals in their eyes. Keep in mind, a LEO can legally lie to you (outside of a court of law). If you lie to a LEO outside of court you can be arrested for it. The "bad" cops are still a minority, but ever growing.

PoonHound602
07-02-15, 17:39
The cops are just the pawns in the massive govt push to expand and control the citizenry. The cops aren't the problem, they're just the symptom. The problem is the out of control local govts that people pay no attention to during elections. They have their own agendas and once they're elected they have the cops at their disposal to accomplish their agenda.

Checkers999
07-02-15, 22:00
"But I really want to caution that a lot of these phone numbers have no involvement at all in the (criminal) investigation. They were simply in the contact list of people we were investigating as part of this. ".

Then why publish them? Simple; ruin peoples lives. Ever notice LEO / the only serve warrants at someone's place of employment. Even if you're truly innocent our life as you know it is done. Recent accusations of racism in PDs isn't why there's a lack of trust. There's been a general reduction in the quality and honesty of LEO over the past several decades. I remember when cops were your neighbors, friends and relatives and understood sometime people have a bit of bad judgment (brain farts), minor things. Just gave a warning. Not anymore, the tough ass new breed cops with their GI Joe hair cuts, skin tight shirts and tac gear will arrest or accuse you of anything to control you. We're all criminals in their eyes. Keep in mind, a LEO can legally lie to you (outside of a court of law). If you lie to a LEO outside of court you can be arrested for it. The "bad" cops are still a minority, but ever growing.Yes, LEO will do all they can to destroy you -- even if the evidence is insufficient. I'm surprised no one is suing them.

The new breed of LEO goes for the low hanging fruit. If they gave as much effort to real crime as they do massage parlors and other petty things, the streets would be much safer.

Also, a friend of mine noted that many cops were once combat vets or men raised in tough neighborhoods. Now they come from pampered suburbia, would take too long to explain why that matters, but it does.

The really strange thing is that they are feeding on their own now. The "brotherhood" is dead in Tucson. LE are destroying the lives of their 'brothers' over a massage that may or may not have ended with a HJ! A victimless crime. Although you could argue the men / customers were 'victims' of the women.

DavePHX
07-03-15, 02:07
Millions of grant money is going to local PD from conservative and Christian groups with the excuse of sex trafficking and children when it seems 90%+ of arrests have nothing to do with either. But to please the conservatives in power in AZ and other places (led my Ms McCain etc here and Hunt sisters and Disney nationally) many new laws, especially in AZ that LE simply enforces.

Unlike in Canada with the new see-36 law, most cities LE have stated will not enforce unless there is some actual harm or underage, not consenting adults after the new law based on the Swedish model after the Supreme Court tossed out all the existing prostitution laws for harm reduction. In Canada it was clear making it illegal creates harm. Outcall was always legal just not incalls but rarely enforced.

In Canada as well as the USA Its more a political issues for conservatives to "save" children and the pretend victims of sex trafficking (mostly consenting adults).

DavePHX
07-03-15, 06:28
MC and VISA action upsets legal Australian sex workers.

Western Australian sex workers have condemned the sudden and unexpected decision of MasterCard and Visa to cut payment facilities to two of the largest sex work advertising sites in Australia, Backpage and Cracker, pointing out that it is not only discriminatory but will have catastrophic impacts in the short term for the livelihoods of Western Australian workers left stranded.

"Both sex work itself and the advertising of sexual services are legal in Western Australia, and yet MasterCard and Visa made a decision that places at risk the livelihoods of Western Australian workers who rely on their services to pay for advertising," Sarah from peer sex worker group People For Sex Worker Rights in Western Australia said today.

"This decision effectively blocks workers from paying for their advertising on the sites that hold a near-monopoly on the low-to-mid-end rage of the market, leaving them completely stranded. We are concerned that workers may lose homes and go hungry before alternative, affordable replacements for those sites emerge. ".

"The decision of MasterCard and Visa appears to be an overreaction to a grandstanding local politician in Chicago in the United States, and yet workers in Western Australia, working in a completely different legal and social environment, face going to the wall and potentially losing everything as a result. ".

"MasterCard Australia and Visa Australia should distance themselves from the actions of their US parent company and resume services to Australian sex workers as a matter of urgency before it further marginalises already marginalised workers. ".

http://sexworkerrightswa.org/2015/07/03/mastercard-and-visa-discrimination/

MrSaxaphone
07-10-15, 03:30
Has anyone tried this app? It's supposed to be like Tinder but no guessing as to what everyone is there for. It's a cheesy app that you have to download from their website as the app store and Android won't carry it. I find it to be a less than stellar app and am wondering if anyone else has had success using it. Only 3 days into it but not much luck. It's location based like Tinder as well so only those near you show up.

DavePHX
07-12-15, 23:43
Phoenix July 6th began new End Demand Campaign.

"By making booking mandatory for anyone arrested for this crime," said Councilman Jim W, chair of the Mayor's Human Trafficking Task Force, in a statement. "The campaign is a reminder to would-be purchasers of sex that getting arrested will have real legal and personal consequences. ".

As usual it uses the deception of "sex trafficking" which includes consenting adults with most arrests having nothing to do with anything coerced.

The new campaign in partnership with CEASE (Cities Empowered Against Sex Trafficking). The CEASE network includes 11 cities.

The new campaign entitled "Not Worth It" includes a website in English and Spanish, brochures and posters that will be displayed in local businesses in areas with a high incidence of prostitution arrests, according to a statement from the city of Phoenix. The campaign will also include radio public service announcements and billboard messaging along major transportation routes. The website for the campaign is notworthit. Org and novalepena. Org.

"I am so pleased that the 'Not Worth It' campaign is aiming directly at the buyer's side of the human trafficking equation," Cindy M (Senators wife ran for President), co-chair of the Governor's Council on Human Trafficking, said in a statement. "It's time we focus attention on the simple fact that without demand, there would be no need for supply. Reducing demand for commercial sex in our state is a critical step in addressing human trafficking. ".

"The goal of the campaign is for all residents of the Phoenix Metro area to be educated about the harms of prostitution and shift the burden of the problem to the buyer, and away from the victim, or prostituted person," said Angie be, the local coordinator for CEASE Phoenix Metro.

A large billboard campaign was kicked off just before the Super Bowl arrived in town, and the city also passed an ordinance that calls for mandatory education and booking for human traffickers.

The campaign launched in January was focused at informing victims that there is help available. This campaign will focus on potential buyers.

DavePHX
07-12-15, 23:55
Interview with ESPLERP Founder and Activist Maxine.

(Dave notes she is behind the constitutional challenge in Federal Court and met with Phoenix area sexworkers at my home a few years ago.).

Good interview at http://swop-seattle.org/sexworkinthenews/interview-with-esplerp-founder-and-activist-maxine-doogan/.

PoonHound602
07-14-15, 18:10
Is backpage as we know it going to be a thing of the past with the CC companies blocking backpage? BP is perfect for my random last minute urges and I'd hate to see it disappear.

The USA Adult Classifieds is open for business, make the move now before BP gets closed, you know it's coming.

http://usaadultclassifieds.info

A2

ComeCumGo
07-15-15, 03:00
Basically in an effort to slow down online prostitution they have just given access to even more victims to be trafficked on the site. Now any child or teenager can post an ad since they no longer need a credit card to do so. I know most are consenting adults who post and work by their own free will. The attention to the site and the discovery that for the moment at least you do not have to pay to post, will undoubtedly compel more women to use the site, and more traffickers to freely post their victims. I'm not sure how this helps those they are swearing to be out to protect. In fact, to me at least, it seems more damaging than before. I get it though, as long as back page isn't making money that's all that matters. Since it seems like that's all that ever matters. Control the money. Law enforcement does not actually care about the so called victims one way or another.

PoonHound602
07-16-15, 13:41
Is backpage as we know it going to be a thing of the past with the CC companies blocking backpage? BP is perfect for my random last minute urges and I'd hate to see it disappear.

The USA Adult Classifieds is open for business, make the move now before BP gets closed, you know it's coming.

http://usaadultclassifieds.info

A2Unfortunately our lovely ladies in AZ don't post there. Currently 0 ads in AZ.

Pass the word.

A2

Danimal Forth
07-17-15, 12:50
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/07/17/phoenix-tempe-strippers-sue-christies-cabaret-labor-practices/30193131

DavePHX
07-19-15, 00:31
Tell MSN.

Maxine, The Erotic Service Providers Union.

Since 2013, MSNBC has aired a show, Sex Slaves In America, which claims to be a documentary series but actually exploits those who work in the sex trade.

Please sign the petition to ask MSNBC to stop airing the show Sex Slaves in America, which unfairly portrays and harms sex workers and sex trafficked victims alike!

Sex Slaves In America misleads the public by conflating those who voluntarily choose to perform sex work with those who are victims of human trafficking. Human trafficking and sex work are not the same thing. Human trafficking involves coercion, fraud, or force; sex work is a profession voluntarily chosen.

The reasons someone may choose sex work are complicated and nuanced. Some people simply enjoy the flexibility the job provides; others choose the trade due to poverty, lack of economic opportunity, or other reasons. But MSNBC paints the whole sex trade in a sensational way. This type of fear-mongering in the public sphere ignores the realities that most people in the sex industry don't have access to equal protection under the law: especially while being filmed for entertainment purposes while caught in a police prostitution sting operation.

MSNBC may be violating the privacy of the individuals it films, too. It is currently unclear whether or not the women shown in previews have consented to be filmed. In the previews, women are filmed crying and panicked as their jobsites are being raided by police and then they are arrested for prostitution. It is unclear whether they're being arrested for being trafficked or for voluntarily engaging in sex work.

The show appears to peddle the criminalization of women who are sensationalized as victims under the guise of rescuing them. Criminalization of the sex trade simply encourages violence, abuse, discrimination in housing, employment, education, child custody and access to financial instruments. Showing these types of possibly unconstitutional raids and arrests positions MSNBC to become a party to profiting off the criminalization of its reality show stars.

We urge MSNBC to stop broadcasting this discriminatory series and stop producing false and misleading information about our industry.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/253/968/118/tell-msnbc-to-cancel-show-exploiting-sex-workers/

Dave signs and comments:

The show supports the pretend victim industry which profits from exploitation of consenting adults. About 90% of arrests.

- under the lie of the rare children or real trafficking vs 90% pretend victims. BC To Cancel Show Exploiting Sex Workers!

DavePHX
07-21-15, 19:39
Complaint and Injunctive and Declaratory Relief and Damages.

Is a great action.

The 22 page complaint is at http://phxlist.com/forum/attachment.php?aid=687.

DavePHX
07-22-15, 09:02
Some folks have asked for my May 2015 trip reports for strip clubs and nude-reverse massages in one place instead of scattered on the Canadian boards I post on. I didn't see any escorts this trip since that is not my prime interest. And it avoid any legal risk issues.

I wish this was available in Phoenix and of course without the legal issues we have in Phoenix and USA.

All activities of course are legal in Canada including under the new see-36 law (which is usually not enforced in most cities with consenting adults).

I have consolidated them now at my old site at:

http://sexworktoronto.com/May2015Reports.html

DavePHX
08-02-15, 23:50
Update on Challenge to Prostitution Law in Federal Court.

I gave up trying to post it here (V bulletin errors) so if interested is at:

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18782

Laymedown1
08-06-15, 13:20
Flying in 1 night only in town and need a natural Busty 40+ female Massuese to work the stress out. I am at the Embassy Suites on East Camelback and room number provided in PM response only. PM good service providers and contact info. First time to Phoenix and hope to enjoy the experience. Thanks for any suggestions.

DavePHX
08-09-15, 10:02
Prostitution Law Challenge in Federal Court Delayed.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18783

LittlePecker
08-10-15, 11:18
Hi guys, I am German and will visit the valley in October for a couple of weeks. Not my first time there, but this time I will check out some kind of relaxation.

I am in that hobby for quite a while, but in germany it is totally legal and not really expensive. So I know the "market" here, but I am a little afraid of what is expecting me in the US. Know the back pages and craigslist, but up to now did not try any contacts because.

1. it is illegal and as a tourist I am not familiar with the consequences and.

2. most of that looks more as a rip off than as relaxing.

So I would appreciate your advice about getting in contact and if maybe you guys have any recommendations in north scottsdale, north phoenix or cave creek that are serious, I would gladly show you all the good locations if.

You ever visit Germany.

Smoothestongue
08-12-15, 02:02
Long time lurker. Saw this today. Thought at davephx would have posted it by now, but since he hasn't here it is.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/world/europe/amnesty-international-votes-for-policy-calling-for-decriminalization-of-prostitution.html?_r=0

DavePHX
08-18-15, 06:36
CHILD PROSTITUTION CHARGES: BAIT & SWITCH OR ENTRAPMENT?

This is kind of an ad by an attorney I know a bit of from the Temple case and don't care for but shows the ongoing child entrapment stings. Recent media coverage Chan 5 news showing mug shots of one nights entrapments brings in lots of support and grants to fight the pretend child prostitution vs men actually looking for teens. Most child prostitution arrests are men going to an adult only site, with pictures of obviously an adult and contact with an adult.

POSTED BY JASON the. L.

17-AUG-2015.

Just the term child prostitution is among the most odious and despicable of charges that you can face in Arizona. While many think child prostitution charges are only about pimping young children for sexual exploitation, recent undercover stings by police prove something very different is going on. Not just in Phoenix, but all over Arizona, police are baiting people who have no sexual interest in children to engage in sexual conduct with a minor.

Here's how it works:

Police create an escort ad on Craigslist or Backpage Someone responds to the ad looking for sex from an adult At the last minute, the undercover officer says her 17 year-old cousin can join The customer arrives Police officers storm the room and arrest the customer for child prostitution.

CONSEQUENCES IN ARIZONA.

Even if there is no actual minor or child involved, Arizona's child prostitution laws are among the toughest in the country. If convicted of child prostitution, the minimum sentence for a first conviction is: 7 years in prison with no early release Lifetime registration as a Sex Offender.

HOW WE CAN HELP YOU.

We have successfully defended many clients charged with child prostitution as we realize that many of these undercover stings by police are nothing more than a bait and switch or entrapment. Our clients are not pedophiles, but rather adults who tried to engage in consensual sexual activity with another adult and are now in trouble with the law for the first time.

By being thorough and leaving no stone unturned, we scrutinize every detail of the investigation. We recognize that every case is different and unique, but this approach in defending child prostitution cases not only in Phoenix, but throughout Arizona, has proven beneficial to our clients and integral to the successful resolution of their cases.

http://www.thephoenixcriminalattorney.com/Blog/2015/August/Child-Prostitution-Charges-Bait-Switch-or-Entrap.aspx

DavePHX
08-22-15, 08:16
"State's Notice of Intent to use Defendants other crimes, wrongs, or acts pursuant to Rule 404 (b), Arizona Rules of Evidence. ".

The Arizona Prosecutor has filed a notice of intent to use as prior "bad acts" advertisements in the escort and massage sections of TER and Backpage.

The State filed a notice on 8/17/2015 as its intent to introduce ads to the jury. I have suggested as a non-lawyer not giving legal advice their attorney's reply with a Motion to Limit.

The State cites an Arizona Supreme Court case in support of their argument that ads should be admitted.

I have read the case cited and am sending a long non-legal evaluation on the Temple List how parts of it can may be turned around and might be used for the defense instead of the State which argues escort (and massage) ads on TER and BP are prostitution ads.

This is the Phoenix Temple case which will be 4 years since the armed assault on the "Phoenix Goddess Temple" in September and the multiple felony indictments of 39 wonderful women. One died from the stress. Others have had children taken away and unable to get even minimum wage jobs due to their pending felony charges.

Trial maybe by the end of 2015 for those that haven't taken a plea after being threatened with up to 40-70 years in prison if found guilty at trial (Donald Advisements by the judge).

Most plea "deals" have been for class 6 undesignated felonies but with probation instead of prison. However, the felony will be on their record that future employers can find. Some have already lost their massage licenses by the Board of Massage actions just based on the charges. I have been reporting on a Phoenix Temple List since the beginning, now up to update 168 and have attended all court proceedings.

No one has pled to prostitution, and no one left is charged with prostitution. It is all about the Temple being an alleged criminal prostitution enterprise. There is no evidence of any sexual acts for a "fee arrangement. ".

DavePHX
08-22-15, 23:36
One of the great pioneers of our time is gone.

Deborah Anapol.

Love without Limits writer and founder of what became an International Polyamory group with whom I've met at various times including when she did workshops in Phoenix.

I often quoted from her books. I became less interested in her when she got more into various eastern spiritual beliefs and added Taj to her name but her early work was significant in my beliefs.

Her pioneering work decades ago on Loving without limits, "responsible non-monogamy" was a big influence in my views along with the Stan Dale Human Awareness Institute "Sex, Love and Intimacy" workshops at Harbin hotsprings in Northern Calf in the 1980's-90's.

Some of these views ultimately challenged my traditional conservative Christian beliefs. I was even a Billy Graham counselor in Mpls. This led to years of biblical research and the resulting libchrist.com website and leading for years the Phoenix Liberated Christians couples group.

This later led to my support for in private consenting adult sexwork as potentially a positive element of many cultures which led to sexwork.com, sexworkcanada.com etc. Although my interest has always more on the intimacy aspects vs just raw sex which led to lovetouch.info etc.

All of this in part resulted from my early exposure to Deborah Anapol's writings especially "love without limits" and "responsible non-monogamy" books websites and forums.

Saying Goodbye to the Woman Who Inspired Me to Become a Sexual Healer: RIP Deborah Taj Anapol Ph. The. Posted on August 19,2015 by Kamala Devi.

How do I simultaneously celebrate and Mourn the passing of a mentor?

Deborah Taj Anapol, age 64, passed away with surprising elegance in England where she was traveling to lead a retreat. Her friends Marta and Robert wrote a letter with the following astounding details about her final moments on Earth:

"Before she went to bed, Taj wanted to show us a short film about ecstatic death. We watched this together in front of the wood fire, and afterwards she spoke a little more about death, and the possibility of letting go into it. "If you live your life orgasmically, your death will also be orgasmic," is what she said. She went off to bed later with a warm hug. In the morning, we found that she must have died shortly after she went to bed. In the light of the extraordinary quality of this last day, the joy she took in it, and the things she spoke of as the day ended, I cannot but feel that Taj at some level knew and embraced the point she had arrived at, even so wonderfully in love with life as she was. ".

What a incredible inspiration!

Most people know Deborah Taj Anapol as a pioneer of the modern Polyamory movement. Even before Polyamory was popular she advocated for "responsible non-monogamy. " She wrote Love Without Limits, 1992. She was also a founding member and writer for Loving More magazine. In more recent years she served on the Faculty for International School of Temple Arts, then her focus shifted to Pelvic Heart Integration and the Eco sexuality Revolution.

Without her, I would not have the freedom to love as openly as I do today.

To me, Taj was not just a mentor but a role model and a friend. She was a massive support to me and my work in the world. On more than one occasion, she thanked me for taking her place as the poster-child for polyamory. She came to Harbin hotsprings to see the world premiere of Showtime's Polyamory: Married & Dating and she said she was happy to have passed the baton. I'm both smiling to have made her proud, and simultaneously weeping because she'll never know what she meant to me.

Since she was an advocate of sitting around in a circle of juicy women and "talking story" I have three shameless memories I want to share, after all, this is a radical and eulogy, for a radical woman:

1) I'll never forget Taj teaching topless at my first pelvic heart initiation in 2004. It was in the middle of the summer and we were an advanced and small group of women. I feel like such a pervert for not paying attention to her teachings because I was too busy staring at her beautiful bosom. She looked so regal, sitting crosslegged with a wrap around her waist and her bare breasts bouncing as she waved her hands about.

2) Ten days after the tragic Exxon Mobil oil spill of 2010, I got a random phone call from Taj. She was deeply distressed. It was important to her that I understood the severity of the situation, and what the media is not talking about. I remember getting off the phone in awe of the depths of her feelings. She cared so deeply for her Lover Earth.

3) Deborah Taj Anapol once attended the largest sacred sexual play party I've ever hosted. It must've been around 2008, in Sedona when we held a private house party for over 130 Sexual educators and healers. I was both nervous and ecstatic to kick off with a conscious disrobing ceremony. Then my period came in the middle of my performance. Afterwards, Taj asked if there was anything she could do to help "ground" me. We sat in Yab Yum in the center of the room. She was delighted by my blood (since she had long since said goodbye to her moon-time) she left me feeling completely free of shame.

Deborah Taj Anapol is interviewed by Kamala Devi for the Monthly San Diego Community Polyamory Potluck. She discusses her new book: Polyamory in the 21st Century. And offers a preview to her upcoming Pelvic Heart Integration Weekend.

Of all the teachings Taj offered the last time she was in my living room in San Diego, the most memorable words were these:

"Love is limitless. The form can change at any time. What counts is allowing love to dictate the form rather than forcing love into whatever mold the mind has decided is right. "–Deborah Taj Anapol.

Indeed, she was the woman who first inspired me to become a sexual healer. But she is also an limitless being who's calling was not only to pioneer a path towards sexual liberation, but to blaze a trail towards orgasmic death. I could only hope to continue dancing in her direction, all the way through the end!

I will be leading an intimate memorial ritual in San Diego this Sunday. If you are a dear friend, please send me a personal message.

If you want to read more Eulogies to Deborah Taj Anapol Check these out:

Deborah Taj Anapol 1951-2015– Polyamory in the Media.

The Passing of a Polyamory Trailblazer– Loving More Magazine.

- See more at: http://www.kamaladevi.com/5472/sexual-healer-deborah-taj-anapol#. VdkoZvlVhBe.

https://www.facebook.com/deborah.anapol

http://www.lovewithoutlimits.com/

DavePHX
08-27-15, 06:10
Fed Bust of Rentboys less serious than Phoenix Temple?

While gay escorts have mostly avoided LE issues now they are raging mad. I understand they were no help in the fight to challenge the prostitution laws on constitutional grounds.

Unlike many straight escorts who just want to hide underground (other than a few in the battle for years), the gays may fight like they did after Stonewall. It took many years but perhaps rentboy may be the Stonewall for private consenting adult escorts. Led by the gays.

The night after the arrests, a group of lawyers and activists held an emergency "know your rights" workshop for sex workers in response to Rentboy.

The seven were charged under New York lower class prostitution laws and the Federal Transportation Act. The charges appear far less serious than Criminal Enterprise and money laundering Arizona indicts on in many cases.

While rentboys only face a maximum of few years in prison (up to 5 yrs under Fed Transportation Act), the Phoenix Temple 39 wonderful women with no direct connection to any prostitution faced 40-70 years in prison if they didn't take a plea. With FAR LESS evidence of anything illegal. The Phoenix Temple was $33,000 in debt at the time of the SWAT raid 4 years ago and almost all the defendants could not afford private attorneys.

Good example and details:

After Rentboy Crackdown, Angry Sex Worker Condemns "Growing Moral Panic".

http://gothamist.com/2015/08/26/sex_worker_pissed_rentboy_crackdown.php

I have read the Federal Complaint and Affidavit In Support of Arrest Warrants (for seven charged) which is 22 pages of details.

It seems to be more blatant and larger than redbook or some of the straight escort busts. Why Homeland Security did the investigation I have no idea. Feds claim the site averaged 500,000 unique visitors a day. About 70% from the USA Feds claim gross revenue of over $10 million over 5 years. It seized more than $1. 2 million in assets.

Checkers999
08-27-15, 11:11
Fed Bust of Rentboys less serious than Phoenix Temple?

While gay escorts have mostly avoided LE issues now they are raging mad. I understand they were no help in the fight to challenge the prostitution laws on constitutional grounds.

Unlike many straight escorts who just want to hide underground (other than a few in the battle for years), the gays may fight like they did after Stonewall.In Tucson the media went nuts for months over a heterosexual happy ending massage parlor that was busted. When a homosexual brothel posing as a "man 4 men" massage parlor was busted, only one channel covered it briefly one time and NEVER even hinted at who the customers were. The gays have both more clout politically and the media doesn't like reporting anything negative about gays. If anyone can beat the laws or change them -- it is the gay community.

DavePHX
08-28-15, 19:27
SWOP-USA Press Release Comments. Highlights.

Dave notes: The Gay community is speaking out in mass with the same argument that should be just as a strong about straight sexwork.

8/26/2015 Press Release:

The rentboy arrests come just two weeks after Amnesty International voted to adopt a policy in favor of decriminalizing consensual adult sex work. Several global and national Human Rights and Harm Reduction organizations including UN AIDS, UN Women, The World Health Organization have also have also advocated for decriminalization of consensual sex work in the past.

Sex workers & the LGBTQ community have been advocating for decades that criminalization and policing of the sex trade and those profiled put communities at risk of violence and exploitation. Laws against the sex trade have always been used to police the bodies of marginalized communities, especially LGBTQ and communities of color. When sex workers are prosecuted under these laws, it can become harder for them to find mainstream work because of their criminal record. The closure of Rentboy is the latest in a long history of abuses of people in the sex trade that puts these communities in more vulnerable and sometimes dangerous positions.

Rentboy was one of few websites male adult workers could use to find clients. Rather than the "worldwide prostitution ring" news articles have called it, Rentboy provided an opportunity for many to find economic security. Rentboy.com also helped form HOOK Online, a resource for men in the adult industry. This resource provides safety tips, an opportunity for a college fund, some legal advice and a way for adult male service providers to exchange ideas and keep each other safe from violence.

Several in the LGBT male sex work community spoke out against the closure of Rentboy.com:

"Rentboy.com is more than just an ad site for adult entertainers. They put a lot of time, effort and resources into harm reduction and learning about rights and resources. I've advertised with them for 7 years. Thanks to rentboy, I've had a roof over my head and food in my belly because of work I consensually chose. ".

"As a queer and trans person who is denied job opportunities because of my trans status, this industry has given me the opportunity to feed and help myself. I take several precautions to be safe, but at this point I don't know how I can move forward in this safely. This community of sex workers is my family. ".

"With Rentboy gone, independent sex workers will need to take unacceptable risks to meet basic needs. ".

As advocates for the human rights of sex workers, SWOP-USA stands against attempts to forcibly eradicate the sex industry and advocate for the health and safety of all people in the sex industry. We condemn this abuse and intimidation by law enforcement, which will make our communities, friends, and families more vulnerable to violence and exploitation.

While gun murder is rampant – consenting adults having fun is a serious criminal offense.

Good video and discussion "The Gigolo is Up" at https://youtu.be/VqME_jL_vU4.

The nation is so much safer now since consenting adults cannot enjoy their sexuality.

DavePHX
08-28-15, 20:04
Rentboy.com, Sexism, and "End Demand".

By Charlie G. A sexuality educator and coach for over two decades. Helping people who struggle with sexuality, ignorance, shame, and fear. "I've also had the honor to witness the incredible transformations that stepping into authentic sexuality can create. ".

8/27/2015 Blog Highlights.

When we compare the way that Rentboy is being talked about compared to how Redbook was, we can see some patterns in how we think of male sex workers versus female sex workers. That shines some important light on our gendered attitudes about sex.

When Redbook (a comparable site for female sex workers) was raided in June, a lot of the publicity around it focused on how the website was supposedly enabling illegal sex trafficking. There was plenty of talk about how the women who advertised sexual services needed to be rescued. Given how the myths around sex trafficking are interwoven into the discourse around female prostitution, this isn't a surprise. But what is a surprise is that there hasn't yet been any mention of trafficking when it comes to Rentboy. It's as if men are magically immune to sex trafficking, while women couldn't possibly be involved in commercial sex without it.

Female sex workers (especially cisgender women) are portrayed victims, while men aren't.

One of the things I find most striking about the "end demand" rhetoric against sex work. It assumes that the only demand for sex work comes from clients (assumed to be men). But in a world in which people need money to survive, support their families, get an education, or simply thrive, there's a demand on the part of sex workers, too. Making sex workers' lives more difficult by removing their access to the screening mechanisms available online, and by making it harder for them to connect with clients and guard themselves from risk, anti-sex work folks aren't actually ending that demand. They aren't putting food on the table, clothes on someone's kids, or helping them buy books for college. All they're doing is making people's lives harder, in the name of "rescuing" them.

This is a personal issue for me. People I know, people I respect and admire, people I love are at far more risk as a result of these raids. People I love have less access to the work they need to do to support themselves. People I love are now less able to protect themselves by screening clients and assessing their choices. Their need for income and their demand for work haven't gone away, but now, they have to make harder decisions about how to meet them. During the Vietnam war, a major was quoted as saying "It became necessary to destroy the town to save it. " That pretty much sums up the "end demand" approach.

That's what that I find most scary about the Rentboy raid. Nobody is presenting this as saving male sex workers. The police aren't even pretending that this is about rescuing anyone. All they want to do is destroy them by taking away their access to work. When we take the thin veneer of "protecting women and children" away, we see what's really fueling the anti-sex work side. It's about ending something that some people find distasteful, without any respect for the rights of the folks who feel differently about it and choose to do it.

The irony in all of this is that Rentboy has done far more than any rescue organization to actually help sex workers. They started a scholarship to help sex workers go to school and "think about long-term career paths outside of the sex industry. " They made it easier for individuals to manage their labor and safety, which took pimps out of the equation and increased sex workers' autonomy. In the words of a man who advertised on the site, "Rentboy. Made this a safer business to be in. " That safety has been taken away. What do you suppose will happen now?

The guys who advertised on Rentboy aren't being portrayed as victims, in the way that the women who advertised on Redbook were. That says a lot about gender roles and expectations. But at the end of the day, they're all victims of the anti-sex work forces that want to destroy them.

Much more of article at http://charlieglickman.com/2015/08/27/rentboy-sexism-end-demand/.

DavePHX
08-28-15, 20:23
Buy Sex Lose Everything Billboards in Phoenix.

ABC15 PHOENIX. A billboard along an exit from Phoenix Sky Harbor airport could give visitors the wrong impression, according to some Valley-based travelers.

The billboard, along 44th Street and the PHX Sky Train route, urges men not to buy sex from prostitutes.

"We need to remove it, take it down," said John Rxxxxx who flew home to Phoenix Thursday night from Houston and left the airport on the Sky Train.

"I think the public needs to be spared these things," Rxxxxx said.

A logo for CEASE Network is in the lower-right corner of the billboard. V.

The organization is a collaboration among eleven cities "committed to reducing demand for prostitution by 20 percent by the end of 2017," according to a City of Phoenix website.

"Phoenix has gone after the demand side of this crime by making booking mandatory for anyone arrested for this crime," Phoenix Councilman Jim xxxxx said in a July statement. "The campaign is a reminder to would-be purchasers of sex that getting arrested will have real legal and personal consequences. ".

Dr. Xxxx, who has taught court-sanctioned classes to men convicted of soliciting a prostitute, believes the billboard could persuade some men to avoid paying for sex.

"The people it may deter are the everyday guys who are looking for a time out on the town," xxx said.

Video and more at.

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/anti-prostitution-billboard-goes-up-in-phoenix

DavePHX
08-31-15, 00:02
New website for ESPLER Project.

http://decriminalizesexwork.com/index.html

Constitutional Challenge of Prostitution Law.

ESPLERP legal challenge to expand sexual privacy rights DECRIMINALIZE ADULT CONSENSUAL SEXUAL COMMERCE "This is a case about LIBERTY. It is about the right to be let alone, about controlling one's own destiny, and about limiting the role of the state in certain spheres of our lives. ".

Now awaiting judges ruling on a motion in Fed Court. Will get appealed to 9th circuit regardless of outcome.

Lots of added information about the legal team, new videos including from the male plaintiff on his right so sex when disabled, the lawyers and of course new short video from Maxine xxxxxxxxxx founder of ESPLERP which also needs donations for legal fees.

http://decriminalizesexwork.com/index.html

DavePHX
08-31-15, 00:50
Sex Work and Civil Asset Forfeiture Increasingly Go Hand in Hand.

Highlights of long article after the rentboy bust and asset seizing.

(Dave is aware in Arizona of such forfeitures even for independent companion busts even when no prostitution charges were filed. In one case a companion had to buy her house back from Sheriff Joe for the $50 k equity in it. Another case a independent massage therapist who just got a cash withdrawal to buy a use car was forfeiture when she was arrested but no charges were filed. Assets are guilty unless proven innocent. Proof of legal source. Attorneys have advised it is almost impossible to challenge an asset forfeiture in Arizona.).

We're riding high on a wave of state successes in shutting down prostitution-related businesses—from MyRedbook.com to escort services like Sensual Alaska—and cracking down on commercial sexual activity, be it street-based prostitution or erotic massage parlors.

This is all bolstered by the guise of stopping "human trafficking," and aided by massive amounts of federal funding plus newly granted wiretapping, asset forfeiture, and other law enforcement powers. As Scott xxxxxxxxx the pointed out, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) didn't go after Rentboy.com out of a conviction that gay sex workers pose a threat to national safety but because they could seize $1. 4 million from employee bank accounts, along with their homes and other assets. This is not so much a moral crusade—not for police, prosecutors, or federal agencies anyway—as a money-grubbing one.

Under a variety of statutes, from the Travel Act (which is what Rentboy.com employees were charged with violating) to the recently passed Justice for Victims of Trafficking Act (JVTA), the federal government can gain permission to seize assets from any number of people connected to any kind of prostitution business. And among many prostitution-related laws passed in the states over the past decade, adding asset forfeiture possibilities has been quite a popular move. At least 41 states and the District of Columbia now allow some form asset forfeiture for commercial-sex offenses.

Some state laws specifically address asset forfeiture for commercial-sex crimes, from human trafficking to solicitation to "promoting prostitution. " And while some states require a conviction before cash, cars, or property may be seized (aka criminal forfeiture), many allow civil asset forfeiture, wherein no conviction or even charges are necessary before police and prosecutors swoop in.

For the police to seize an individual's property, most jurisdictions require that the officer merely have probable cause to believe the property is subject to forfeiture.

"Forfeiture was originally presented as a way to cripple large-scale criminal enterprises by diverting their resources," according to the American Civil Liberties Union. "But today, aided by deeply flawed federal and state laws, many police departments use forfeiture to benefit their bottom lines, making seizures motivated by profit rather than crime-fighting. " And in cases where citizens are allowed to request their stuff back, "legally regaining such property is notoriously difficult and expensive, with costs sometimes exceeding the value of the property. ".

Government officials, meanwhile, think it's not easy enough to steal people's things. For instance, the JVTA, passed in May, just lowered the standard for forfeiture of targeted property by allowing the feds to access assets merely "involved in" the commission of a crime, not just those "used or intended to be used" in that crime's commission.

"By changing the standard, prosecutors (don't) have to show direct traceability between the crime and the targeted assets," Congress notes. "Instead, they only need show that the assets were involved in the crime or used to conceal the source of criminal assets. " While this might seem palatable if it was only used against major trafficking offenders, remember that under the JVTA, working for an escort-advertising website such as Rentboy or soliciting prostitution from a 17-year-old (or a cop playing a 17-year-old) could get you charged with human trafficking.

In Minnesota, soliciting or promoting prostitution in any way will do. In Maryland, any form of suspected "pandering" (I. E. , "taking, placing, persuading, inducing, enticing, encouraging, or benefiting" from someone's prostitution) can trigger asset forfeiture. In Colorado, "every building or part of a building including the ground upon which it is situated and all fixtures and contents thereof, every vehicle, and any real property shall be deemed a class 1 public nuisance"—I. E. , a place legally up for asset-forfeiture grabs—if it was "used as a public or private place of prostitution or used as a place where the commission of soliciting for prostitution," pandering, pimping, or human trafficking occurred.

In Arizona, Ulises xxxxxx and his girlfriend, suspected of running illegal massage businesses, had cars, cash, and their home seized by Pima County prosecutors. "It was found by clear and convincing evidence that all of his assets. Were, in fact, the proceeds of criminal activity," said Pima County Deputy Attorney Julie xxxxxxxxx.

To make matters worse, police say the $15,000 xxxxxs girlfriend put up for xxxxxs bond is invalid, since that money should have been forfeited to them already. Ruiz remains incarcerated. That's right: cops can keep you in jail indefinitely, without convicting you of any crimes, because any money you might use to get out of jail is assumed to be the proceeds of the same criminal activity they haven't yet proved on you.

The Department of Homeland Security seizing $1. 4 million from Rentboy.com is likely only the beginning.

Full article at http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/28/asset-forfeiture-for-sex-workers.

DavePHX
09-12-15, 05:56
No Escort License. Scottsdale Court Actions. Sample of many:

Brooke K Age 26 – failure to appear at her arraignment on charges of escorting without a permit and arrest warrant issued.

Monica F. Age 24 – no escort permit and prostitution. Was Pled not guilty at arraignment, had pre-trials set, failed to appear, warrant issued, found, failed to appear, then found, in jail, took plea, paid jail fees, enhanced surcharges and other fees, fined, and served time in jail and then case sent to "Tax Intercept" which means any tax refunds applied to outstanding fines and costs – I believe only applies to Arizona income taxes.

Shawna M. Age 23 from Las Vegas – I have old notes she worked weekend for Arizona Outcall, up charged and had $3000 on her when arrested for no escort permit and prostitution. Looks like lots of pre-trial conferences, continuances, Trial Readiness conferences many continued then took plea and completed jail time. In August 2015 collection calls made for fines and fees and had been sent to Tax Intercept in July 2015. This was Scottsdale arrest for no permit and prostitution, looks like she was not charged in the far more serious Arizona Outcall multiple felony case.

In Superior Court.

Michelle M. Age 22 from Goodyear. Scottsdale arrest for no escort license and prostitution had lots of pretrials, continuances, readiness conferences and finally trial where she failed to appear. Then arrested and held – looks like out on bail and again failed to appear. Then sent to jail with time completed in May 2015 and case set to tax intercept for unpaid fees and fines. She also had two traffic violations which may have resulted in re-arrests after failures to appear. One for a cancelled driver's license in Scottsdale and another for or cancelled or revoked license and no mandatory insurance in Chandler.

Stephanie see. Age 31 from Glendale – escort without permit and prostitution. After lots of continuances took a plea assessed fees and fines, confinement order, revoked probation for a previous conviction and then in May 2015 failed to appear and arrest warrant ordered. Fees sent to Tax intercept on 7/23 but as of 9/8/2015 looks like still on the run from latest arrest warrant. Was given traffic ticket in Phoenix on 5/29/2015 for speed and then in June failed to appear. Earlier speeding ticket on 2/3/2014 in Phoenix bail forfeited since appears failed to appear. Looks like was on probation from a 2006 felony drug charge.

Jie T. Asian age 56 – massage touch genitals with intent to arouse. Lots of motions then convicted at a bench trial but no record after an oral motion and fine assessed. No confinement order since massage ordinances are not like escort without license and prostitution with required minimum jai time.

Jacinta are. Black age 29 – no escort license and prostitution. Another long case went to jail, and tax intercept notice for fees and fines.

Many others with similar results.

These were from a few weeks of mostly failure to have escort license Scottsdale arrests that are old enough to find results of cases. Unlike the zillions of felonies I follow in Superior Court, only basic information from the entries in Court is available not the detailed records and pleadings. It is not practical to follow Phoenix city arrests since no police arrest blotter is available to the public as it is in Scottsdale. I am planning to discontinue monitoring the Scottsdale blotter since we know have cases we know the outcome in and of course that in Scottsdale its criminal (mandatory jail time) to not have an escort license and the escort license number on all ads. I have never seen a compliant ad and probably as in Phoenix no one has applied for a license due to its requirements (positive I'd of clients, open for inspection and of course nothing sexual can occur).

These do not appear with mug shots on Sheriff Joes site since Scottsdale has own jail not using Joes. Likewise Phoenix municipal arrests like for no escort license do not go through the County booking.

DavePHX
09-13-15, 05:46
Arizona Forfeiture Law Challenged by ACLU that is used against companions and drivers.

I know Phoenix massage gals and companions that have had cash and a home forfeited even when all charges were dropped. In one case, she had to buy her home back for the $50,000 in equity and another lost $10,000 cash she just got from back to buy a used car that was taken in raids. However, while there was probably cause not enough evidence to file charges (or later dropped I forget which). However, attorneys said it was not practical to challenge the forfeiture law.

Forfeiture of a car could also be done when a boyfriend of a companion drives her to appointments, even when no charges filed against the driver. However, I am aware of one case where driver was thrown to ground, car trashed and he was yelled at as a pimp and charged as such. Companion of course was a consenting adult and driver helped her for security.

In the Phoenix Temple case Matt's car and contents were seized and sold since he let Tracy use it, even though Matt was never charged and Tracy's case is now past 4 years in Superior Court.

ARIZONA CIVIL ASSET FORFEITURE LAWS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, SAYS ACLU LAWSUIT.

The 30 page complaint I have at http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18796.

From New Times with similar in AZ Republic and other media 7/22/2015.

The Arizona American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit in a USA District Court this morning alleging that Arizona's Civil Asset Forfeiture laws are unconstitutional. These statutes give law enforcement agencies the power to seize personal property if they suspect it was used in criminal activity, and then either to keep it or sell it for profit.

In Arizona, the money made from these seizures goes directly into law enforcement coffers, and critics like the ACLU say these laws "have created a lucrative system in which police and prosecutors are heavily incentivized to seize and forfeit property. " In essence, the group argues, these rules allow "law enforcement agencies to supplement their budgets without any legislative oversight. ".

"Civil forfeiture laws represent one of the most serious assaults on private property rights in the nation today," stated a 2010 study of the practice conducted by the public policy research organization, the CATO Institute.

Since "the overriding goal for law enforcement officials — both prosecutors and police — should be fair and impartial administration of justice. Perhaps the most troubling aspect of modern civil forfeiture laws is the profit incentive at their core," the report said. The CATO report gave Arizona's civil asset forfeiture laws a the- grade, noting that the "laws are in serious need of reform. ".

In other words, with civil forfeiture, those who have had their property seized are essentially guilty until proven innocent. The ACLU is hoping to get those changes made by filing suit on behalf of Sun Tan Valley resident Rhonda xxxxxxxx, whose Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment rights, the group says, were violated by the civil asset forfeiture laws.

In August 2013, xxxxxx let her 20-year-old son borrow the family truck, which she had purchased a few months earlier for $6,000. She was contacted the following morning by the Pinal County Sheriff's Office and told that her son was suspected of a stealing a car hood and installing it on the truck.

Zzz went to the scene of the alleged crime and learned that her son had been arrested. "The only person left on the scene was one deputy who was sitting in his car guarding Rhonda's truck," states the lawsuit. She informed the deputy that the truck was hers, and asked when she would get it back. "The deputy curtly told Rhonda that she would never be getting her truck back" because the sheriff's office had "decided to seize the Truck along with the stolen items in it. " When she told the deputy "that she had nothing to do with the alleged crime. He simply said, 'too bad. '.

Under Arizona forfeiture laws, any and all money made from seizing assets goes to the local county attorney's office or sheriff's office – and according to CATO can be used "to pay the direct salaries of personnel" — meaning the deputies who seized Cox's truck had every incentive to keep it. "It did not matter to the deputies that Rhonda was an innocent owner entitled to get her truck back," the ACLU writes in its complaint.

As is explained in the CATO report, "many jurisdictions provide an 'innocent-owner' defense that allows owners to get their property back if they had no idea it was involved in a crime. However, in most places, owners bear the burden of establishing their innocence. (Unlike criminal asset forfeiture laws, which require the government to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the involved individual is guilty of criminal misconduct, law enforcement can seize property under civil forfeiture laws even if there are no charges filed against the property owner.) In other words, with civil forfeiture, those who have had their property seized are essentially guilty until proven innocent.

Xxxxxxx couldn't afford a lawyer and attempted to fight the seizure on her own. She spent months trying to get her truck back, but finally gave up after learning she would be required to pay a $304 court fee just to file the complaint, and that she'the be responsible for covering the state's attorney fees and investigation costs if she lost in court. (Conversely, as is pointed out in the ACLU lawsuit, if she won in court, the state would not be responsible for paying her legal fees.).

Xxxx filed a motion to withdraw her claim on April 14,2013 "based on the likelihood of the state winning the case and the fear of additional financial loss," I. E. , having to pay the state's attorney's fees.

Thus the crux of the ACLU case is that these laws "twice place an unconstitutional burden on Rhonda's rights under the First Amendment to 'petition the government for redress of grievances. Through these and other unconstitutional means, the forfeiture laws have created a system in which few people like Rhonda can afford to take the risk of defending their property. And defendants have profited, and continue to profit, wildly through this system. ".

As stated in the lawsuit, a 2014 report by the Arizona Criminal Justice Commission found that Arizona law enforcement agencies and state / county attorney's offices had almost $85 million in their bank accounts from forfeitures. Forfeiture laws, the ACLU and other critics argue, weren't always nefarious, and have been perverted from their original purpose. They were designed "as a way to cripple large-scale criminal enterprises by diverting their resources," says the ACLU, "but today, aided by deeply flawed federal and state laws, many police departments use forfeiture to benefit their bottom lines, making seizures motivated by profit rather than crime-fighting. ".

American forfeiture statues have their origin in 17th-century British maritime law, which gave the government the right to seize boats and cargo if laws were violated, but everything changed "during the early 1980's as government at all levels stepped up the war on drugs, and Congress and the states created new incentives for the use and arguably the abuse of civil forfeiture," states the 2010 CATO report on the topic.

For most of American history, the proceeds from forfeitures went not to the law enforcement agencies responsible for the seizures but to the government's general fund. However, in 1984, Congress amended portions of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse and Prevention Act of 1970 to create the Assets Forfeiture Fund, into which the Attorney General was to deposit all net forfeiture proceeds for use by the Department of Justice and other federal law enforcement agencies. Subsequent amendments dramatically expanded what law enforcement could do with these funds, including allowing their use for expenses such as purchasing vehicles and overtime pay.

The ACLU filed the lawsuit this morning because "on top of authorizing the seizure of her truck even though she did nothing wrong, the forfeiture laws then punished Rhonda for standing up for herself and her property in court. " These laws are unconstitutional, and "ultimately worked against Rhonda at every turn. ".

Let's stick to the facts on civil forfeitures.

The La Paz County Sheriff and President of the Arizona Attorney and Sheriffs Association and Yuma County Sheriff and President of the Arizona Sheriffs Assn in the Arizona Republic say:

Periodically, the Arizona media follows the "big dog" national media trend and launches into an attack on civil asset forfeitures. We – the sheriffs and county attorneys elected by the voters of each of the state's 15 counties – disagree.

First, we feel compelled to note that any civil forfeiture requires due process in a court of law. Seizing agencies must establish by a preponderance of the evidence that the item to be seized has been used in the commission of a crime. This case is in court, before a judge. That qualified jurist must sign off on each and every seizure before a dime can be awarded to the seizing entity.

Updates on ACLU Case.

In August 2015 notices of appearance by attorneys of various agency defendants after proof of services filed. Notices for extensions of time to file answers to Complaint which were granted by Judge with answers and for a State of Arizona to file a motion to intervene and responsive pleading until October 9, 2015.

These views are purely editorial and do not reflect the specific legal strategy of any case. These are in NO way indicating the intention or defense of those indicted. All criminal charges are alleged, and discussions of charges do not imply any guilt. I am not a lawyer; any legal issues should be addressed by a competent attorney.

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09-13-15, 17:56
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DavePHX
09-15-15, 05:22
More reports to come on many more indictments.

SUMMARY.

Club Lace: Still heading for trial on 4 of 7 indicted others pled.

Euro Style Massage: Final all pled.

The Studio: 16 indicted, some have pled but owner still in jail heading for trial in 2016. Shocking new indictment for sexual assault on two models.

Asian Star Massage: Final all 3 indicted pled.

Dominatrix Bridget: Final pled to felony.

DETAILS.

Club Lace "Dance Studio".

2014 raid- 7 indicted - 2 pled to felonies, 4 still on the path to a trial and 1 still outstanding not found.

Training included having customers touch breasts of dancer and told then charges would not hold up in court! Coached on what to say. Private rooms stocked with condoms and baby wipes. Instigation goes back to 2007.

4 have not yet pled (Leader Stephen L. , Robert, Cary and Adam). The trial is now set for 11/2/2015, but these dates often continued. Adam and Cary only have 1 count each of money laundering. Conceal proceeds, vs. Most of rest charged with criminal enterprise in various forms.

Christina "Tiffany" Age 32 recruited women from strip clubs. Self-surrendered in 9/2014. Non-bailable since appeared not to be legally in the USA Held 189 days in jail pre-sentencing. She had resigned from club 18 months before the raid. Pled to class 6 felony undesignated and sentenced to 18 months' probation starting in June 2015. Fine $3660 ($2000+83% surcharge). However, payable only $25/ month due to lack of income. State as usual also wanted to force her into the Catholic Charities Dignity program to focus on leaving the life of prostitution. Moved to IL after paying $300 Interstate Compact application fee. Is a server at Chili's restaurant. No further info on legal status, typically the court notifies ICE for a determination for deportation if not legally in the USA.

Lola "Paige" Age 28. Pled to 2 counts of felony money laundering but not yet sentenced. She told cop prices started at $100 for "one-on-one action" and "everyone leaves happy. " Was paid $22,526 by the club over 18 months. Married for 8 yrs. With 4 minor children. Taken by Child Protective Services after her arrest. She had a prior history of heroin issues. Has no skills other than exotic dancing, dropped out of school in 11th grade. Pre-sentence recommendation for 2 years' probation on each count to run concurrently, $3660 fine and go to Catholic Charities Dignity program. No sentencing date yet which may mean she is going to be a State witness against others at any trial.

Next dates for remaining 4: 10/6/2015 conference, 10/28 pre-trial and 11/2 trial all subject to continuances.

Euro Style Massage (FINAL REPORT).

2014 raid on two locations with four indictments. All pled to reduced charges in 2015.

Jacqueline – Pled to unlawful practice of massage. Class 1 misdemeanor, 1 yr in jail suspended to probation.

Yesenia – Pled to class 5 felony, 1 yr probation. Mexican not legally in USA So referred to ICE for possible deportation. Worked at massage out of desperation to support two children.

Irene – Pled to unlawful advertising message service without a license. Class 1 misdemeanor. 1-year probation.

Ricardo – Pled to class 6 felony operating a house of prostitution and advertising massage without a license. 18 months probation and fine of $4575. Plans to return to Church and seek a steady job admitting "dumb and influenced by money. ".

The Studio update.

16 indicted, some pleas 1 not yet found and huge battle by Bill based on alleged constitutional grounds of being a porn studio – argument is weak in my view. Bill remains in jail on $50 k bond increased to $100 k with new charges and indictment filed in March 2015.

Bill pro se writes many handwritten motions from jail. Judge S who I have gotten to know well as she has been the judge on the Phoenix Temple case for about the last 2-years for which I am all the hearings and do reports for about 100 folks following the case including national Tantra folks and some lawyers. She seems very fair and patient with pro se defendants that don't have a clue what they are doing.

First a sample of a few of the pleds:

Serena – Took plea for a felony. However, the attorney filed 8-page sentencing memorandum pleading for a misdemeanor due to the risk of deportation to Canada if convicted (by plea) to a felony. The attorney argued extreme mitigating factors to reject the States insistence on a felony.

She came to the USA At age 7 or 8 with her parents. Obtained a "green card" at age 14. Was age 18 when worked at the Studio for only 1-month. She was "naive and vulnerable" when Bill showed her legal work from an attorney that allegedly showed it was a legal porn studio. She made less than $2000 and did not handle any other money for others. "Merely had sex for a small dollar amount. " She would be chosen from a line-up and paid $160 for oral sex.

Shocking part which resulted in new sexual assault charges against Bill:

As a mitigating factor, she argues that Bill physically, sexually and emotionally abused her. Goes into vivid detail including an incidence where put a collar on her, dragged her into a room, sexually assaulted her putting a pillow over her head so she couldn't scream. She says, Bill often called her a "****", "*****" and "was treated better than she deserved. ".

She had no prior criminal record and is now employed in a family business in Scottsdale. She hopes to go to school to become a nurse.

Judge S reduced the illegal control of an enterprise felony to a class 1 misdemeanor (but still same charge) Sentenced to 18 months' probation and 50 hours of community services – Dave still thinks too harsh.

Heather pled to class 6 felony undesignated and served 7-months' probation.

Erica pled to class 6 felony undesignated and 18 months' probation. However, had a probation violation hearing when she didn't have enough gas money to get to a probation officer appointment. If you violate probation, you can be sent to prison for the remaining time. However, her probation was reinstated by the judge.

Others have taken similar pleas, but sentencing deferred which is usually the case when the State is going to use them as witnesses at trial. These include Amber, Shelby, Danielle, Adriana, Michelle, Amanda, Samer, Monica, and Taeru. Latest sentencing continuation is until 1/11/2016 – this date will keep getting deferred until the case is concluded. This is bad for them since they can't begin to serve probation until final sentencing as with many in the Temple case.

BILL claims he never had sex with any model, and I was protected free speech right of a porn studio under the constitution.

Dave notes I had many long e-mail discussions with him before the bust warning him his arguments would not likely hold up in Arizona since we do not have the same cases upholding porn studios as California.

Bill claims he follows the Miller v. Calf requirements of STD testing of models, there are no "victims", no one is under age 18, they are just filming porn as consenting adults. Cites Freeman case citing Supreme Court that "pandering viewed as an end-run around the 1st Amendment. " Claims false statements made to the grand jury, in the police reports, etc. False statement included saying it was prostitution or a brothel when it was a porn studio. Calling rooms bedrooms when it had studio lights etc so it was a studio not a bedroom.

Claims bail is extreme, he rarely has more than $500 in a bank account, and that the Studio was just beginning to make money.

Bill argues jail is not appropriate for his medical conditions, was taken 9 times by ambulance to the hospital for kidney, heart and neurological issues. He needs his own doctors, has good medical insurance and lived in Maricopa County for 50 years and is not a flight risk. Is in Towers Jail.

Motion to change bail was denied (this was before new charges and increased bail to $100,000).

Bills August 2015 legal battle.

Bill filed another motion to dismiss or remand to the grand jury on many grounds that it was a legal porn studio. The State answered and in a 12-page hand-written response Bill stated his positions.

On 8/27/2015 Judge S wrote a detailed 10-page ruling going into extensive details of the case in denying Bill's motion to remand or dismiss.

Some key points:

Undercover upon arrival was told it was $140 for a half hour for anything that was non-fetish related.

Unlike a porn studio the customer / actors do not need STD screaming only a "penis check" which is more like a legal Nevada brothel that a porn studio. The customer chooses a girl from a line-up (like a brothel vs. A script and producer selecting actors).

"The models / girls have been told that the pictures or video taken with the customer must be sexual in nature. The camera is then turned off and the customer (referred to as a producer) could then commit the type of sex act for which he had paid. ".

"An actor is required to provide an AIM (Adult Industry Medical) certificate. Mr. P (a porn studio head) testified that under federal law 2257, individuals participating in pornography must provide two forms of identification to prove they are 18 years of age. Models sign release agreements prior to any filming. It is uncommon for men to show up and pay to be in videos. Mr. P required models to sign a release every time before each scene. (Bill) obtained one form of government identification from the females working at the studio but male customers were not identified in any way. (Bill) required the girls who worked for him to sign release agreements at the end of their shift.

Goes on about an FBI male undercover, undercovers pretending to seek jobs and interviews with various employees. Other employees also told police Bill often had "sessions" with the models that are often not recorded. Chanel in a scene with Bill after oral sex, feeling she had to do a scene with Bill to keep her job (phone operator) was then grabbed and choked unable to pull away due to Bill's hand on her head and she vomited. Five minutes into the scene Chanel told Bill that she no longer wanted to participate. He told her to shut up and take it. She blacked out at some point.

Judge S also describes the bondage scene with Serena I mentioned earlier. "She eventually told him to stop but he placed a pillow over her head and placed his penis in her mouth. She was choking and crying. She had a difficult time breathing. ".

Paperwork was found inside the studio indicating what sex act each girl agreed to perform. The pricing was for different sex acts and not for the rental of the room and camera.

Judge S lists the 11 points Bill raised in his motion, addresses them and continues for many pages about the issues raised by Bill regarding the evidence given to the Grand Jury. Judge Stephens cites lots of case law to show it was a proper presentation.

New Intervening Indictment related to Serena and Chanel reports against Bill. Raised bail to $100,000. Added charges: Aggravated Sexual Assault, Aggravated Assault, Sexual Assault and Sex Trafficking (because evidence of coercion). This is in addition to prior charges: 4 counts of illegal control of an enterprise, pandering, maintaining a house of prostitution and receiving earnings from prostitution.

His current trial date is set for May 17,2016.

Asian Star Massage in Mesa (Final Report).

Investigation started in 2013 based on complaints. LE caught men coming out of back employee door and one admitted masturbation and in shower had his penis touched and then intercourse in massage room.

Pil pled to illegal control of an enterprise class 6 felony and sentenced to 18 months' probation.

Kyong has limited English and needed Korean interrupter. Claimed just did cleaning. Lived with husband of 34 years who is seriously ill. No priors and is USA Citizen. Pled to class 6 felony, 1-year probation. Applied to serve in Colorado where now lives but Colorado refused to take her under Interstate compact so had to return to AZ.

Joy needed Korean interrupter, no priors, no English, moved to USA In 1997 and became a citizen in 2012. Lives with roommate in Calf. Pled to class 6 felony with 12 months' probation can server in CA.

Dominatrix Bridget (Final).

Had website dominbridget.com charged with six counts of prostitution, keep house of prostitution and disorderly conduct. Was on 16th St, an undercover got hand job. Added intervening indictment when detective offered spanking which resulted in another prostitution count based on sadomasochistic abuse. Pled guilty to a class 6 felony and 12 months of supervised probation.

DavePHX
09-21-15, 06:48
TER Reviews for sale.

http://providerrep.com

This has been around for awhile but reminder of the increasing number of fake reviews. TER reviews for sale. Other review sites in the future.

"Impress Clients with Great reviews".

"Repair your Reputation".

One review for $25, Three for $60, and Ten for $200.

Buy your reviews and build your business.

Probably a very profitable dishonest scam on customers.

DavePHX
10-13-15, 03:16
For those interested in our court system below is the results of just a few of the zillions of felony sexwork related cases recently in Maricopa County Superior Court. I only catch a few of them, but still have a big pile I know about that I haven't had time to update. They also show the dumb things people do making it easy to get busted. All of these cases have Grand Jury indictments after the original Direct Complaint by the police.

In almost all the pled cases result is a lifelong felony record and all that entails. Good luck with getting a future normal job is the saddest part for many. Pleas are instead of facing long prison sentences potentially if goes to trial and loses since the indictments are for many more counts than the few they plead to.

I recall only 1 recent case that went to trial and it was a bad result. At least 100 Phoenix men have been caught up in the child entrapment sting where on an adult only site, adult officers place ads listing an adult age, with a picture of obviously an adult (one had a wedding ring on). But in the conversation with the man they ask to pick up cigs or something mentioning they are only age 16 or 17. Arizona is one of only six states with the legal age of 18. In one case the attorney wrote a very extensive brief arguing entrapment and a number of Phoenix lawyers have blog entries or on their sites about the stings and how it is entrapment. Sadly Paul W. Man rejected a plea for probation and took it to a jury. He lost and was faces 7 to 21 years in prison when sentenced on 10/15/2015. Hopefully he will appeal. This is the first time I've seen an entrapment defense that is strong and backed by many attorneys.

As part of the same case "6 men arrested in child prostitution sting" Others pled to pandering and got probation I. E. Frederick see. Etc.

In the 4+-year old Goddess Temple case almost all pled and got 3 months to 6 months probation after "Donald Advisements" they could face up to 40 years in prison if they went to trial and were convicted on the many counts. Only 2 defendants remain of the 37 indicted with trial likely late in 2015 or early 2016.

I omit and do not follow the many "real" pimp cases where there is forced prostitution. I am only following victimless cases which are probably 90% of all the felony cases brought. There are maybe 10% (or less) that LE SHOULD focus on vs. Private consenting adult workers.

Massage Therapist Alleged Assault (Final Report).

On 11/5/2014 Chares you. A licensed LMT, was arrested on 2 counts of sexual assault on a 36 yr old female customer. The incident occurred in March 2013. In doing lymphatic massage he allegedly placed his mouth on "victim's" right breast in the areola and nipple region. She objected. He also had massaged her upper thighs and victim claims he touched her public area in the cleft of the labia majora. She complained to police and from a sexual assault exam swabbing the breast found DNA that matching him. He denies all. He took polygraph which he failed.

On 10/6/2015 Plea Agreement to 1 count Aggravated sexual assault undesignated felony with supervised probation (term decided at sentencing) with sex offender terms. Sentencing 11/5/2015.

Man allows BP escort to use home to meet clients (Final Report).

Rickey see. Indicted for 2 counts of pandering, 2 counts illegal control of enterprise, 2 counts money laundering, and keeping a house of prostitution. Randy similar indictment.

An undercover replied to ad of "Julie" on BP coming to his home. She was arrested for not being able to produce an escort license. Julie told police she used Rickey's home to meet clients for sex and paid him $20 per client. Nicole also rented a room but was unable to pay $50/ week so Rickey suggested a pretty girl like her could make lots of money as an escort. "Victim" Nicole disappeared in the process of the case.

Rickey age 56 at the time had no prior arrest records. Paid $5000 bail.

Pled to a single felony 5 charge and sentenced to 3 years probation and 100 hours of community service.

Posted ads on BP Trio and brought escort in from CA. Female Diana and brothers Ryan and Robert.

(Final Report only Diana has sentencing from plea deal pending until Nov 2015).

Motel 6 in Scottsdale reported 2 males with same last name, rented a room with an address from CA. Motel management reported many men going into and out of the room.

LE found Diana who admitted to prostitution but not from that room. PD conducted surveillance on the room. Diana told them Robert and Ryan took her and victim "Victoria" age 18 from CA to AZ for prostitution. Diana posted their ads on BP. Diana reported that another women "victim A" had been raped by two tricks. Robert was abusive to victim A if she didn't make $700/ night. And because she disrespected him and he was pimping for "game" not for money. If she told police his gang bangers will still around. Diana admitted that she had a prior prostitution arrest in 2014 for giving oral sex for $40.

Robert.

In plea deal and presentence report Robert said he did nothing wrong but was just around so Diana named him. He doesn't believe he deserves punishment, but would take probation. He thinks probation would keep him on the right track. He lives with mom and wants to go to school to be an electrician.

Assessment of probation officer shows a medium-high risk to reoffend and needs treatment to address his prostitution behavior. Recommends 3 months in prison then 3 yrs supervised probation and register as a sex offender.

On 7/14/2015 plea deal for 1 count of sex trafficking a class 2 felony was accepted by Court. Victim A addressed the Court at sentencing. Sentence 5 years in prison with credit for 246 days of presentence incarceration. Plus fine of $1830 to Drug and Gang Enforcement Account and $1490 for extradition costs (I assume he returned to CA and was brought back to AZ at some point). Other fees included $13 to the investigation agency: Scottsdale Police and a $20 probation assessment fee. After release from prison community supervision Imposed pursuant to A. Are. S. § 13-603 (I) This provides for 1 day of supervision for every 7 days in prison.

Ryan.

Pled to 1 count of pandering Class 5 felony. Sentenced to 1 year in prison with presentence incarceration credit of 96 days. Fine of $1000 but surcharges waived. Pay $533.97 to Maricopa Sheriff Office and other small charges similar to Robert.

Diana.

Pled to 1 count of Facilitation to commit illegal control of an enterprise, a class 6 undesignated felony. Court allowed her to reside in CA pending sentencing but has to prove she has enrolled in the Dignity program. Catholic Charities program to "save" from prostitution.

Sentencing continued to 11/10/2015.

Escort assistant with no permit, and two escorts (initial).

Indicted. Arraignments 9/3/2015 and 10/7/2015.

Helen- Indicted maintain house of prostitution felony 5 and prostitution. Released OA. Initial pretrial 11/20/2015.

Following go to felony pretrial intervention program:

Katelyn prosecution deferred up to 2 years to allow TASC completion (for drugs) and released OR.

Charles F. Prosecution deferred up to 1 year to allow TASC completion.

Phoenix Spa Services (Final).

The usual ad on BP. Watched Spa for 2 months and questioned male clients leaving Spa who admitted were offered HJ's.

Wendy G. Owned business and rented rooms to Taylor, Mistie and Stephanie. All arrested. None had massage licenses. Wendy was previously arrested in 2007 in Scottsdale for running a house of prostitution and in 2002 for operating an unlicensed massage place along with Mistie.

Indicted for illegal control of enterprise felonies and various other counts.

Wendy pled Attempt to Commit Operating or Maintaining a House of Prostitution Class 6 Felony and sentenced to 1-year probation.

Taylor pled to Facilitation to Commit Illegal Control of an Enterprise Class 6 Undesignated Felony and sentenced to 12 months probation.

Stephanie pled to Solicitation to Commit Pandering Class 1 Misdemeanor and sentenced to 6 months probation.

Mistie pled to Facilitation to Commit Illegal Control of an Enterprise Class 6 undesignated felony and sentenced to 6 months probation.

Arizona Outcall (ongoing).

Shane, Jami, Sheila and Kendra with many felony count indictments. Arrests 9/2014.

A few attorney changes but no pleas taken. Case dismissed against Kristin also arrested in the raid.

Trial set for 2/8/2016 unless plea deals are reached.

Massage office in Glendale on 35th Ave (FInal).

Angela M. Indicted for maintain house or prostitution.

Citizen complaint of prostitution. Undercover (UC) found BP ad. Told would get a handjob for $160.2nd UC told by her that her "home run" service was available that included intercourse. When 2nd UC gave bust signal and left, police unable to get in door since she locked it When police entered (probably smashing the door down), she had erased the White Board that showed her services and rates.

Good news: All of a sudden the State dismissed the case without prejudice "in the interest of justice". Have no idea why unless one of the UC's went too far. However, "without prejudice" means the case can be resubmitted in the future.

Healing Hands Massage on 7th Ave (Final).

Jackie S. She had an old prior interesting 2009 case where she lost at Phoenix Court for prostitution but did an extensive appeal based on among other grounds that she had a right to a jury trial. The Superior Court upheld the Phoenix Court conviction.

Now. Customer compliant to police, did surveillance noting many men coming in. UC got a prostitution deal from Loi L. $60 for a HJ. 2nd UC got same deal and 3rd with Lan G. Jackie had been observed coming and going in Honda Pilot.

UC with Jackie was asked at end of a massage "anything else?" And by hand signals offered a HJ and then said would do nude for $100.

Indicted for Receive earnings from prostitution, maintain house of prostitution, employee of house of prostitution felonies and prostitution a misdemeanor. Paid $4500 cash bail.

Pled to just the prostitution misdemeanor (probably since couldn't find other workers).

Court sentenced to 1 year supervised probation, not to be engaged in the sexwork or massage industry and the usual conditions and fees.

I am not clear how she avoided the mandatory jail time especially since was her 2nd conviction but apparently can avoid in the plea deal).

Sexee Ladies Incall (update and final).

I did a detailed report on the arrests and indictment of father, son and Nicole the manager in June 2014.

In 2015:

Nicole took a plea to Facilitation to Commit Illegal Control of an Enterprise, Class 6 undesignated felony. Sentenced to 9 months probation.

Michael (son) took a plea to Operating or Maintaining a House of Prostitution Class 5 Felony. Sentenced to 18 months probation.

Donald (father) took a plea to Operating or Maintaining a House of Prostitution Class 5 Felony. Sentenced to 18 months probation.

Girlfriend Removing Pimps Facebook Page (Final).

Nicole the. Deleted her former boyfriend's Facebook account after reading about him being unfaithful to her. She says she did not know deleting the account was illegal and that she would get in trouble. Age 30 with no prior criminal history. Works at a nightclub as a bartender / server and makes about $1000/ month. She was described by another prostitute as being the pimp's "bottom" and Nicole would sometimes collect money from other women to give to Ramone, the pimp. Presentence report recommends 2 yrs supervised probation and ordered to compete Catholic Charities DIGNITY program.

Took plea which was accepted by the Court on 5/5/2015 for Class 5 Felony Hindering Prosecution in the First Degree. Sentenced to 2 years probation.

Not fully reporting on pimp Ramone in detail other than he required $60/ day from each prostitute whether they had customers or not.

And at the arrest, when the SWAT team raided apartment he leaped out a balcony to one below. The women in the leaped onto apartment was severely traumatized by Ramone. She jumps at the smallest sound and drapes her balcony door but is afraid someone is behind the blinds. She does not sleep well and is even afraid to not keep her eyes open in the shower for fear she will miss someone trying to get into her apartment. She now always carries pepper spray to protect herself. She was unable to afford counseling.

Ramone took a plea deal for Attempt to Commit Sex Trafficking a Class 3 Felony and Hindering Prosecution in the First Degree, a Class 5 Felony. He also has a separate pandering case in Court and served prison time on prior Aggravated Assault Class 3 Felony.

On 6/12/2015 Ramone was sentenced to 3. 5 years in prison for the sex trafficking plea and 3 years probation after release from prison for the Hindering Prosecution plea.

DavePHX
10-16-15, 05:35
Two days with undercover vice detective.

I just experienced two days of testimony by our nice "enemy" who is the female vice detective that is involved in many (or most) of the prostitution arrests. She also does street stings arresting johns.

I just completed a very detailed report that goes to about 200 folks including many attorneys that follow my reports (just did 179th) over 4+ years old since the SWAT assault on the Phoenix Temple. For privacy, I will refer to her as "DC". The hearing was public so should be no legal issues reporting this. I have eight pages of scribble notes just from the 1st day and on key issues it's almost a transcript.

This was at an evidentiary hearing on 10/14 and 10/15/2015 regarding a motion. The trial is expected to start in November and continue till about February 2016. The jury pool will initially be 150 to find 12 jurors and five alternates. Lots of taxpayer money in over four years of Court hearings, about 100,000 pages of discovery, almost all defendants have court appointed lawyers since can not afford private attorneys, and jurors can receive up to $300/ day for lost wages during trial. Whichever side wins, will probably be appealed. Defendants will absolutely appeal both to the Arizona Court of Appeals and to 9th Circuit with court-appointed appeal attorneys.

DC is very pleasant, attractive and would easily seduce you with nice smile.

I even joked with her in the lobby area that she seemed so nice, just too bad usually on the wrong side.

She is very precise and good on the witness stand even if questions are often rambling from two defendants that represent themselves. Judge Stephens was very tolerant of rambling and confusing cross-examination by non-lawyer defendants unless the State objected. Then often the judge would let the question be clarified by the defendant. However at trial with a jury she may not be so tolerant if questions are irrelevant or not proper.

The investigation procedures used are typical for massage places, agencies, etc. DC and another well-known vice female detective H. Pretended to be applying for a job, telling a good story of prior experience as an escort or massage. They do surveillance of the parking lot to identify cars that come many times to link to workers etc. In the Temple case DC estimates she spent 10-15 hours in her unmarked car watching from the next door parking lot. Also, they had cameras on an adjacent building.

The key issue as I have been preaching for years is an agreement for sexual contact for a fee arrangement. You can call it Roses, Donation or whatever silly-ness you want if its represents money your dead. It is not a way to be "legal" but simply trying to circumvent the law.

Regarding escorts ads on BP:

DC: It would be up to the worker if will do sex acts. For example, a "John" may ask if anal sex is part of the deal. If he seeks that and is told, he will not get he usually would not continue with the appointment. In this case, there would be no fee arrangement so would not be a reason to arrest.

DC was asked if guy and gal agree to $200 just for companionship and then decide they liked each other and wanted to continue to have sex as friends would this be a crime? (This is what I have been preaching for decades.).

DC: It would depend on the exact circumstance as what was expected for the $200 however if there was no money for any sexual acts it would not be a crime. (This is close but perhaps not exact transcript based on my notes).

(Dave notes however this may not work if you have terms like GFE or worse on ads that implies this is part of the fee. Phoenix had arrested on solicitation escorts strictly from the wording on their ads, in addition to not having their escort license number on the ad).

Lots of discussion of BP and escorts. She has never met an escort that wasn't a prostitute but yes it is possible. She has never seen anyone who has the required escort license and doesn't know if any have ever been issued for a non-sexual legal escort.

DC did not try and tilt her testimony for the State. In fact, she testified on many issues favorable to the defense. For example, that the gatekeepers were instructed to turn away any customer who called and asked for specific sexual acts.

One defendant was never given Miranda rights. DC explained it was not needed if she wasn't interviewed. (For this defendant and many of the other 39 indicted they were charged with criminal enterprise merely by association with no direct evidence of anything illegal they did).

DC background: From a police family in San Francisco area. Joined Phoenix PD in 2003 moving up from beat cop until joining the Vice Enforcement Unit in 2008. Highest priority is child sex trafficking. (Dave notes but probably 90% of cases are in private consenting adults).

One of the most interesting witnesses about a year ago was Dennis H, the Nevada, brothel owner. He was great how the Temple was taking donations after a session and not blacklisting anyone who didn't pay "was a hell of a way to run a brothel / prostitution business" It made no sense. The State has moved to exclude him as a trial witness since he has no direct knowledge never having been in the Temple. I had some good discussion with him in the hall. Although he keeps wanting to save Phoenix since he often says that Phoenix is the child sex trafficking center in the USA Dennis, of course, has a pure profit motive as he offered to open brothels in Phoenix for the Superbowl to protect from all the child traffickers that would come. Rejected of course. He offered to help anyone that wanted to get an NV prostitution license.

DavePHX
10-24-15, 03:37
In the 4+ year old Temple case on 10/23/2015 the Court ruled after 2 day evidentiary hearing on States Motion in Limine that advertising on BP and admission that a defendant was an escort / companion 30 years ago is admissible as to intent.

Excluded is the word "sensual" before massage and a reference to issues with "local law. All charges dismissed".

This is regarding an exhibit of a questionnaire for potential workers at the Phoenix Temple which was entered as evidence.

Jury selection now scheduled for November, the States case until mid January and then the defense case.

Remaining un pled defendants continue to refuse plea deals for probation with "Donald Advisement" they could face 40+ years in prison if convicted.

If convicted defendants intent to appeal. However in State cases will probably go to prison pending appeal that could take years. Only in Federal cases is it typical to remain on bail or OR pending appeal.

DavePHX
10-30-15, 20:33
"Human Trafficking" Has Become a Meaningless Term.

Sexworkers can be arrested for trafficking themselves when they place ads.

Highlights from New Republic 10/30/2015.

Politicians and activists often abuse it to push for punitive laws or to incite moral panic.

Trafficking, in practice, is less a clear-cut crime than a call to moral panic. The vagueness of the definition allows or even encourages governments, organizations, and researchers to claim that there are tens of millions of trafficking victims worldwide on the basis of little more than hyperbolic guesses.

Politicians use trafficking rhetoric to portray themselves as defenders of the downtrodden, and generate laudatory press coverage, as Cook County Sheriff Tom the has done with his crusade against Backpage.com and other sites advertising adult services. And some high profile figures have used trafficking narratives to gain fame. Somali Mam, the celebrated Cambodian anti-trafficking advocate, was exposed for making fraudulent claims about herself and other women she helped.

Donna Hs seminal 2000 article "The Natasha Trade" defined trafficking specifically as "any practice that involves moving people within and across local or national borders for the purpose of sexual exploitation. ".

But anti-prostitution activists like Hughes often use "sexual exploitation" to include any kind of prostitution or sex work—in fact, Hughes insists in her article that "trafficking occurs even if the woman consents. ".

When you say "trafficking" people still think sexual slavery.

"The public seems to believe that sex trafficking means forced prostitution," researcher Tara be told me, "but when you sit down and read charging documents for sex trafficking charges, that is very very rarely the case. " Sex workers are often charged with having trafficked themselves. Under different state laws, sex trafficking can also mean sex workers advertising for their own services or renting their own hotel rooms.

"Trafficking" can also be used to make anti-prostitution laws seem compassionate rather than punitive, as in the New York trafficking courts, which frames those arrested as trafficking victims in need of help, even though in practice you still end up with police arresting people on prostitution charges. In either case, the word is a way to target marginalized groups like immigrants and sex workers in the name of a (confused or cynical) humanitarianism.

If we're talking about underage sex workers with few other options for survival, we should say that we're talking about underage sex workers with few other options for survival—a discussion that should focus on resources and social service help, not law enforcement. Similarly, if the focus is forced labor conditions, then more attention should be paid to the main industries where that occurs. If the issue is about consensual sex work by adults, then legislators should be honest about using police to harass people for consensual sex work. They shouldn't pretend they're on a noble crusade against "trafficking. ".

DavePHX
11-01-15, 04:22
In one of zillions of felony cases in Superior Court the State has filed a clarification motion regarding TER reviews and website ads.

"Facts: During the course of the investigation of xxx, the Vice Squad of the Phoenix Police Department accumulated an immense amount of evidence, including newspaper articles, Internet reviews, Internet advertisements, and marketing materials, showing that xxxx operated as a house of prostitution. ".

(Goes into specific details of client reviews on prostitution websites such as "The Erotic Review" with "star" ratings etc.).

"Many of the reviewers explicitly described the sexual favors that they had received from xxx and some reviewers even intimated that their sole intention in visiting xxxx was to receive sexual favors in exchange for money. " (Goes on about BP ads etc in known prostitution sites).

"Internet Reviews.

The State does not intend to offer any Internet reviews, including those found on "The Erotic Review," into evidence in its case-in-chief. Provided that the defendants elect to put the following fact at issue, however, the State may offer such Internet reviews into evidence during rebuttal for the purpose showing that xxxx sole intention in visiting xxxx was to receive sexual favors in exchange for money.

"Because the reviews would not be offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted, I. E. , the sexual favors received or the reviewer's rating of xxx the reviews offered in this circumstance would not be considered hearsay, and should therefore be admissible at trial.

"Advertisements.

The State intends to offer both xxxxx Internet advertisements and xxxx marketing materials into evidence in its case-in-chief. All such evidence should be admissible at trial for two reasons: first, all such evidence are opposing party's statements, I. E. , not hearsay, according to Ariz. Are. Evid. 801 (d)(2)(D) and; second, the business records exception, Ariz. Are. Evid. 803 (6), applies to all such evidence.

"Under Ariz. Are. Evid. 801 (d)(2)(D), a statement that is offered against an opposing party and was made by the party's agent or employee on a matter within the scope of that relationship and while it existed is not hearsay. Here, xxxx" Internet advertisements and xxx marketing materials were both created by xxx's agents or employees in order to attract business to xxx.

"Furthermore, the business records exception, Ariz. Are. Evid. 803 (6), applies to all of xxx's Internet advertisements and marketing materials. Ariz. Are. Evid. 803 (6) provides that the following is not excluded by the rule against hearsay:

A record of an act, event, condition, opinion, or diagnosis if:

(A) the record was made at or near the time by -- or from information transmitted by -- someone with knowledge;.

(B) the record was kept in the course of a regularly conducted activity of a business organization, occupation, or calling, whether or not for profit;.

(C) making the record was a regular practice of that activity;.

(D) all these conditions are shown by the testimony of the custodian or another qualified witness, or by a certification that complies with Rule 902 (11) or (12) or with a statute permitting certification; and.

(E) the opponent does not show that the source of information or the method or circumstances of preparation indicate a lack of trustworthiness.

"All of the Internet advertisements and marketing materials were made at the time by someone with knowledge, kept in the course of a regularly conductive activity of the Temple xxxx and made during the regular practice of creating the Internet advertisements and marketing materials (Dave notes I beleive this relates to xxx's website). Furthermore, all of the foregoing conditions will be shown by a requirement imposed by subsection (D).

"Finally, the defendant cannot show that either the source of the information or the method or circumstances of the preparation of the Internet advertisements and / or marketing materials indicate a lack of trustworthiness. Accordingly, all of the Internet advertisements and marketing materials should be admissible under the business records exception.

DavePHX
11-01-15, 05:08
A reliable source tells me a friendly detective has warned an escort that the next wave of LE action will be the slam dunk of aggressively going after ads that do not list escort license numbers.

Only Scottsdale has been periodically aggressive about enforcing the new Arizona law but other jurisdictions may be doing this in their next war on consenting adult companions. This of course will be great media hype for stopping sex trafficking. Even if a companion by ads is trafficking herself as the only "victim".

Specifically "the detective told her that they were going to be linking all posts to IP addresses. The girls would then be arrested for advertising without a license. He suggested that the provider delete all her posts immediately. ".

Dave notes. While this contact can not be positively confirmed, this would be the expected next step after all the underage entrapment stings, many massage parlor busts in recent months etc.

I have yet to see an ad or website that complies with the escort license law. The law requires open records, a log with positive I'd of every customer. The who, what, where info etc but of course nothing sexual.

The lead Phoenix vice detective at a hearing a week or so ago also testified she had never seen a compliant ad or as far as she knew no Phoenix escort licenses had been issued.

DavePHX
11-01-15, 07:58
Sex Trafficking not the same as prostitution. Cato Institute files Amici Curiae Brief in support of Backpage v. Dxxx (Sheriff of Cook County).

I gave up trying to take out some tags that this system doesn't like. Just posted the very brief highlights with link at end to full report and full court filing.

The present case concerns amici because Sheriff Dart's threat poses a grave threat to individual rights and can cause irreparable harm to at- risk youth, along with inhibiting the ability of law enforcement to combat human trafficking. Sherriff the's crusade against websites like Backpage.com and Craigslist. Org has distorted police practices and, in many cases, led to an informal prior restraint that violates the First Amendment.

ARGUMENT.

I. THERE IS NO "EPIDEMIC" OF SEX TRAFFICKING IN THE UNITED.

STATES AND EFFORTS TO FIGHT THIS "EPIDEMIC" HAVE.

MIRRORED THE FOLLIES OF THE WAR ON DRUGS.

Be. As a Matter of Law, the District Court Could Not Assume That All Adult Advertisements on Backpage.com Are Illegal.

III. SHERRIFF the'S CRUSADE WILL DESTROY INVALUABLE AND.

IRREPLACEABLE TOOLS FOR THE INVESTIGATION AND.

PREVENTION OF SEX TRAFFICKING.

IV. SHERRIFF the'S ACTIONS INFRINGE BASIC DUE PROCESS.

CONCLUSION For the foregoing reasons, and those presented by the appellant, amici urge the court to reverse the district court and grant a preliminary injunction.

Dave notes: I have omitted much of the supportive legal points and authorities for each section in the 24 page brief.

This summary and the entire brief is attached on my site at.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18808

Jw No Phx
11-03-15, 16:29
"Human Trafficking" Has Become a Meaningless Term.

Sexworkers can be arrested for trafficking themselves when they place ads.

Seems like more prosecutorial double standards. http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/maricopa-county-wont-appeal-ban-on-self-smuggling-prosecutions-6658062.

Jw No Phx
11-04-15, 13:08
Specifically "the detective told her that they were going to be linking all posts to IP addresses. The girls would then be arrested for advertising without a license. He suggested that the provider delete all her posts immediately. ".

There are browser add-ons (at least for firefox and chrome) that randomize IP addresses thru remote proxies (legitimate addresses from the proxy owners network around the world). I don't know if they end up being truly anonymous (sign-in not required) or if LE can force them to provide anonymous-to-real mapping (if they track such a thing).

JW.

RayThy
11-04-15, 20:28
There are browser add-ons (at least for firefox and chrome) that randomize IP addresses thru remote proxies (legitimate addresses from the proxy owners network around the world). I don't know if they end up being truly anonymous (sign-in not required) or if LE can force them to provide anonymous-to-real mapping (if they track such a thing).

JW.A highly-regarded VPN provider (Like PureVPN etc) that does not retain logs is the way to go.

Jamesj
11-06-15, 15:51
Not many reports on the PHX boards about WYP girls.

Just met a 33 YO (curvy, white, 5'3" long blonde, no kids, great teeth / smile, nice rack, this gal is very attractive IMHO) Just a fun all around gal! (no drug use, appears to be very well educated, was classy and has part time job).

Date agreement amount. 30. Exchanged numbers (I ALWAYS let them unlock the date 1st. , no need to waste credits on flakes).

I was OOT for a week & we kept exchanging text. Finally ask if other activities where available besides a meet and greet.

She counter with 150, but settled for 125 for "a lot of adult fun ".

Met her last night at a bar I was very familiar with. Her younger sister works there & I knew her from being a patron.

We had appetizers and she had a few drinks (I did NOT drink as would be driving. Damage. 45). Left bar and headed to west valley (my abode).

Great conversation with lots of laughing on the drive over. (really hit it off).

Had a glass of wine & clicked on the TV.

Started the make -out and onto the bedroom.

Total GFE / PSE. Had her screaming as I dined at the why. (came a couple times).

Onto mish where I pounded a very tight, but juicy puss.

Finally blew my load (about 10:30).

Decided she wanted to sleep for a while. Ah, ok.

We woke about 3 AM, both used restroom & I started necking her. Turned her on like a light switch & round 2 was just as good. (think she got off 2 more times. Wet sheets-proof positive!

Got dressed, gave her a soft drink and took her home.

Made arrangements to take her to California next weekend (leave Friday AM & return late Sunday night).

Total damage 170, plus gas. A bargain in my book.

BTW, I'm 60+(LOL).

I totally found a gem & will not be sharing, Just wanted to report there are great ones to be found.

Keep up the hunt!

JAMESJ.

DavePHX
11-09-15, 15:02
Call to action to fight for consenting adult sexwork rights by supporting legal action now in process.

The media and legal war on consenting adult sexwork is based on fake research, lies and huge amounts of money for the victim industry and for law enforcement.

Excellent Videos.

https://youtu.be/GGVBoynvdhk ESPLERP Decriminalize Sex Work. CUTTING EDGE LITIGATION! Jerald Mosely a retired attorney who once worked for the California Attorney General's office discussing the legal issues. With him are ESPLERP President Maxine xxxx and board member Domina Ex.

https://youtu.be/fdSnAz6WH_Q Oct. 20,2015. The California state assembly convened to discuss the scope of human trafficking and the distorted definition which includes consenting adults considered "trafficking victims. " Members of ESPLERP participated on a panel and others gave public statements as part of the hearing. Former deputy attorney general Jerald zzzzy is featured in this clip. For more info on the ESPLERP legal challenge, please go to: http://decriminalizesexwork.com or http://esplerp.org To donate to the legal fund: http://liberatetoemancipate.com.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAGZ6EN879k&feature=youtu.be Oct. 20,2015. The California state assembly convened to discuss the scope of human trafficking and potential solutions. Members of ESPLERP participated on a panel and others gave public statements as part of the hearing. ESPLERP President Maxine Dzzzz is featured in this clip. For more info on the ESPLERP legal challenge, please go to: http://decriminalizesexwork.com or http://esplerp.org To donate to the legal fund: http://liberatetoemancipate.com Twitter: at esplerp #decrimsexwork Please share and subscribe.

Guest Columnist: Domina xxx.

November 9, 2015 by Maggie xxxxx- highlights.

War has been declared upon all American erotic service providers and their clients, and as in every war a propaganda campaign has been set into motion to justify it; no one can argue with "save the children". Certainly not the elected officials who have jumped on the legislative bandwagon to further criminalize adult consensual erotic services, and certainly not the opportunistic NGO's participating in what has become a billion dollar federal grant program via the non profit industrial complex known to sex workers as the "rescue industry". Certainly not the law enforcement agencies which justify arresting consenting adults, as they, too generate revenue for their employer the state. Each day there are new casualties in the war against prostitution; each day immeasurable damage is being perpetrated upon erotic service providers and the body count rises, both figuratively and literally. We must fight back. It has become more crucial than ever before that we do so, and in a solid tangible way.

The word "Decriminalization" has become a mantra chanted by sex workers around the globe. Tears of joy were shed when a council of Amnesty International recently announced its support of the decriminalization of prostitution, just as the United Nations and the World Health Organization had already done. Even the USA State Department, in its 2015 "Universal Periodic Review Of Human Rights", affirmed United Nations recommendation #86, stating: "We agree that no one should face violence or discrimination in access to public services based on sexual orientation or their status as a person in prostitution". But these declarations are as of yet merely suggestions, and have not translated into harm reduction for sex worker communities throughout the globe.

To ensure that our needs are met we ourselves must transform our rallying cry into a reality, bringing about the emancipation and protections which our vast community so desperately needs. In America, this action must be accomplished through the courts; it isn't an easy path and requires much diligence and of course a great deal of money. While the Erotic Service Providers' Legal, Educational and Research Project's (ESPLERP's) legal challenge has already been filed and is in process, the truly tricky part is the continual funding of the case. Because we are criminalized and stigmatized, the US sex worker rights movement is not well funded, and the little funding which is available is not being prioritized towards striking down the unconstitutional anti-prostitution laws. So while some of the most dedicated and diligent activists I have ever known of are at the heart of supporting this challenge, without sufficient funding the case could fall apart (which is certainly what our opponents hope for).

In early August, ESPLERP members, supporters and legal representatives gathered in California to hear the lower court judge's decision, which was that there would be no public hearing and that the ruling would be announced at a future time. ESPLERP's lawyer Louis Sirkin stated that this type of action by the court is not uncommon, and that he wasn't surprised at all; we were also told that there is no time limit on how long the Judge can take to render his decision, so now we wait.

From day one, our plan was to take this case to the highest court possible in order for more states to be affected, and more people to be emancipated. If the lower court judge stands by the principles in the Bill Of Rights and rules in our favor, erotic service providers who are criminalized in the state of California will be free from criminalization and the real work can begin in California at least. If the judge chooses to dismiss the case, we will go up to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals; if that court rules in our favor no fewer than nine states will be emancipated from the threat and devastation of criminalization, and other sex workers and organizations in other parts of the US would be able to use the ruling to file similar cases or defend themselves from charges. THIS WOULD BE HUGE!

A legal challenge such as this is no small task. My dream, as a member of the erotic service provider community, is to see the emancipation of our people, and this case could be the key to open that door. Decriminalization is hardly a panacea; it's only the means of stopping the immediate harm caused by arrest and the life devastation which comes with it. Law enforcement agencies would no longer have the means by which they literally rape and pillage our community with impunity. Though decriminalization is only the beginning of what sex workers need to accomplish, it will give the erotic services community a safer platform upon which to openly organize in order to demand and protect our rights that much more.

The storm of oppression is already here raining down upon us, and we haven't even seen the eye just yet. We need the legal umbrella provided by decriminalization, and we can rally around this legal challenge to achieve solidarity as we never have before; it can provide a powerful and warm fire around which we can join our hearts and minds to weather the storm together. We can do this, but it requires you to be around that fire contributing your fuel to it. For more information about the challenge please visit http://decriminalizesexwork.com, and to donate to the legal challenge fund please go to http://litigatetoemancipate.com. Viva la revolution!

DavePHX
11-10-15, 06:45
Phoenix attack on sexwork meeting.

11/9/2015 KPHO TV highlights.

There is a 28 minute video with FBI, local agencies, govt folks all to eliminate consenting adult pleasure under the fake excuse of "human trafficking. This horrible crime" at http://www.kpho.com/story/30472414/leaders-phoenix-making-inroads-in-battling-sex-trafficking..

Phoenix Mayor Stanton: You buy sex you will be caught, you will lose your job, spend time in prison, this is not a crime without victims. Etc.

All prostitution is harmful. The money doesn't go to the prostitute but to the pimps, the gangs etc. It is never OK to pay for sex. It contributes to gun violence and murder. Help us put an end to this horrible industry with the message if you buy sex you will lose everything.

Above just brief highlights of video.

KPHO artcile highlights:

City leaders are stepping up their attack on sex buyers in Phoenix in the wake of a prominent billboard campaign that began in July.

"This effort is going to be a consistent effort for years and years until we stamp our human trafficking and sex trafficking," Phoenix Mayor Greg Stanton said at a news briefing to update the initiative Monday morning. (Dave notes this includes consenting adults and an escort can traffic herself).

Cindy McCain had been collaborating with the Polaris Project, an anti-human trafficking nonprofit in an initiative called "Not Worth It" aimed at sex buyers. "It's a never-ending problem and we're hoping to stop it" she told reporters. Cindy McCain chairs the Arizona Governor's Task Force on Human Trafficking, which was established last April. She has called for Arizona lawmakers to enact tougher penalties for human traffickers.

Angie Bayless is local coordinate for CEASE, Cities Empowered Against Sexual Exploitation. She said the campaign has spurred thousands of people to visit National Human Trafficking Resource Center, which leads to a 24-hour confidential hotline for people to leave anonymous tips.

"We are changing hearts and minds about prostitution," Bayless said. " ASU estimates 1 and 20 adult men pay for sex in Phoenix. We know men are calling from work from work-issued cell phones and work computers. "We have accomplished a lot in the past few years. ".

This CEASE network is dedicated to innovating, testing, and sharing strategies with a proven impact on deterring people from buying sex. The Phoenix Metro area joined the network in November 2014.

Clear Channel Outdoor, which donated billboard space, said 52 digital billboards in metropolitan Phoenix feature the hotline. The messages educate sex buyers about the consequences of an arrest for the crime.

Online: http://www.TraffickingResourceCenter.org.

Councilman Jim Waring, co-chair of the Phoenix Task Force on Human Trafficking, reassured the public Monday that task force members "are doing everything we can to eradicate it. We are fighting every step of the way. ".

Read more: http://www.kpho.com/story/30472414/leaders-phoenix-making-inroads-in-battling-sex-trafficking#ixzz3 r5 DIhdht.

CN Cronkite News 11/9/2015 adds.

Phoenix leads a major decline in human sex trafficking.

If you are going to be a buyer of sex, you're going to get caught and you're going to lose everything, so that's the basic bottom line message of all this," said Cindy McCain, Co-Chair of Arizona Human Trafficking Council.

This campaign is literally a lit-up beacon of hope to people in our city who are trapped by prostitution," said Angelyn Bayless, CEASE Network City Manager. The CEASE initiative is a program involving 11 cities nationwide, including Seattle, Portland, Denver, Oakland, San Diego, Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Boston and Chicago.

"Demand is sort of the new frontier in the fight against sex trafficking," Bayless said. "If there were no buyers, there would be no business. ".

Phoenix, Mesa, Chandler, Gilbert, Tempe, Scottsdale and Glendale Police are all arresting people who buy sex.

We actually just won an award from the CEASE initiative of the 11 cities," Bayless said. "We won the top tactics testing and the law enforcement leader award, so we are first and we're out there in front of it. ".

AZ Central 11/9/2015 adds:

McCain, Stanton, Brnovich: Anti-sex-trafficking push showing results.

The campaign has emphasized targeting prostitutes' customers, or "johns," instead of punishing sex workers.

The campaign stresses a message about the consequences of soliciting sex -- jail, fines, divorce, sexually transmitted diseases and crime -- saying they are simply not worth it.

In the Valley, more than 52 billboards donated by Clear Channel Outdoor Americas have stated CEASE's message: "Buy sex, Lose everything. " The message was paired with the image of a disgraced man holding his face in his hands, wedding ring visible.

As long as the demand remains, there will continue to be exploited women, children and men, she said.

McCain, wife of USA Sen. John McCain, emphasized that education and victim services are also key in fighting sex trafficking.

"They (sex workers) are not criminals," she said. "They are victims. " (Dave notes however the victims are being arrested).

DavePHX
11-30-15, 20:38
Backpage wins injunction vs Chicago sheriff over adult ads.

November 30,2015.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18813

PhxFunLover
12-01-15, 21:39
So I recently ended a relationship and figured I would give the SD thing a try after a failed attempt years ago but I noticed here in phx we don't have a local thread like some other larger cities would love to share some experiences and intel on local prospects. So far its looking promising, a few young girls quoting some crazy numbers but I have a few M&Gs this weekend with two 20's so hopefully this works out. If it does and there are others in the area we can start a thread.

TucsonTaoist
12-02-15, 18:57
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/12/01/the-age-of-pre-crime-has-arrived/

DontKnowMe19
12-04-15, 17:28
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/12/01/the-age-of-pre-crime-has-arrived/If it hits AZ. You ride was seen at 27th and Camelback, you were a potential John so we shall ruin your personal life just cause you were in the neighborhood. Really?

Jamesj
12-09-15, 18:44
Agreed on date, she accepted my offer.

SHE opened date (sent me a message with her contact info- 908-458- 7+=6) Mentioned something about meeting for a HH.

BTW, I NEVER open the date / make 1st contact. (No need to waste credits on flakes).

Sent her a text message and also messaged her on WYP.

NEVER heard back!

Complete waste of time!

JAMESJ.

SixtyNinem90
12-10-15, 21:46
Agreed on date, she accepted my offer.

SHE opened date (sent me a message with her contact info- 908-458- 7+=6) Mentioned something about meeting for a HH.

BTW, I NEVER open the date / make 1st contact. (No need to waste credits on flakes).

Sent her a text message and also messaged her on WYP.

NEVER heard back!

Complete waste of time!

JAMESJ.Have you had successes on this site before? Been thinking of giving it a shot.

Jamesj
12-11-15, 02:45
Have you had successes on this site before? Been thinking of giving it a shot.Yes, success numerous times!

Both here in the Valley & in the Midwest (STL).

JAMESJ.

Ralf511
12-11-15, 14:30
Yes, success numerous times!

Both here in the Valley & in the Midwest (STL).

JAMESJ.What does WYP stand for? Thought I new most of the shorthand.

Danimal Forth
12-11-15, 16:38
What does WYP stand for? Thought I new most of the shorthand.It's What's Your Price?

Jamesj
12-12-15, 23:09
Agreed on date, she accepted my offer.

SHE opened date (sent me a message with her contact info- 908-458- 7+=6) Mentioned something about meeting for a HH.

BTW, I NEVER open the date / make 1st contact. (No need to waste credits on flakes).

Sent her a text message and also messaged her on WYP.

NEVER heard back!

Complete waste of time!

JAMESJ.She messaged me again on WYP. Had inverted her digits when she sent them to me!(duh).

Met her at Talking Stick earlier this evening, in the caf.

She "thinks" WYP is just a dating site! YEAH right! Indicated she would NEVER accept money for play.

Think she is in search of a multi millionaire (just wants one really rich dude-someone at least 10-20 years her senior).

I'm old enough, just a few mil short (LOL).

Talked to her for about 5 minutes, told her we where on different pages, then I bolted.

She was very polite, well spoken and about a 9 on the looks scale.

Save your time and credits, unless you have tons of money.

JAMESJ.

UaGuy61
12-29-15, 06:50
Are there any cheap hotels I might be able to rent between central and 60th street and Camelback to Jefferson? Or is there a website that anyone can point me to, to help me find one. I already tried orbitz and couldn't find anything cheap. Sorry if this is a little off topic, I just want to find a place I can take a friend to get to know better.

Danimal Forth
12-29-15, 09:40
Are there any cheap hotels I might be able to rent between central and 60th street and Camelback to Jefferson? Or is there a website that anyone can point me to, to help me find one. I already tried orbitz and couldn't find anything cheap. Sorry if this is a little off topic, I just want to find a place I can take a friend to get to know better.La Quinta on Thomas at 47th St or so. Motel 6 at 52nd and Washington off the 202. Options all along Van Buren if you feel dangerous.

Those first two probably show up online so maybe you wanted cheaper? Personally I would even think twice about that Motel 6.

UaGuy61
12-29-15, 12:45
La Quinta on Thomas at 47th St or so. Motel 6 at 52nd and Washington off the 202. Options all along Van Buren if you feel dangerous.

Those first two probably show up online so maybe you wanted cheaper? Personally I would even think twice about that Motel 6.Yeah, I saw those two but they only offer rooms by the night, I only need one for a few hours but I can't seem to find any. Thanks for your input, it was much appreciated.

Danimal Forth
12-29-15, 16:58
Yeah, I saw those two but they only offer rooms by the night, I only need one for a few hours but I can't seem to find any. Thanks for your input, it was much appreciated.City of Phoenix got rid of the last of the hourly hotels on Van Buren many years ago. That wasn't my thing, I just remember reading the news article. I was able to find a copy of the article from 2007 with a Google search if you're curious but I won't link to it here.

There was a room available for rent a few years ago, in Tempe I think, with ads on CL or BP. There was some discussion on these boards. Don't believe it lasted long.

JBruck666
12-29-15, 17:36
City of Phoenix got rid of the last of the hourly hotels on Van Buren many years ago. That wasn't my thing, I just remember reading the news article. I was able to find a copy of the article from 2007 with a Google search if you're curious but I won't link to it here.

There was a room available for rent a few years ago, in Tempe I think, with ads on CL or BP. There was some discussion on these boards. Don't believe it lasted long.Google this. Only one hotel in Phoenix area.

Higgs Boson
12-29-15, 19:25
Yeah, I saw those two but they only offer rooms by the night, I only need one for a few hours but I can't seem to find any. Thanks for your input, it was much appreciated.Call and ask for the day rate. If you feel the need to say why, tell them you work at night or you're a long distance trucker. Even if they have a truck with a berth, many truckers will spend an occasional night in a hotel room.

BTW, a few months ago I was told the Motel 6 at I-17 and Indian School had decent rates. Be careful in that area. Generally safe during the day but I knew of a woman who was waiting for a taxi one morning there and was harassed by a local pimp who thought she was advertising.

Higgs.

Head Banger
01-09-16, 01:34
I know of a lady who was recently busted and is looking for an attorney to help her. Please pm me if you know of someone good.

Thanks.

HB.

JoeDocks11
01-09-16, 17:59
Does anyone use any of the sugar baby websites? If so, do you care to share information on here? I am newly arrived from another state and intend to develop some reports to share.

Head Banger
01-10-16, 13:33
A friend forwarded this to me from Seattle. Many of the girls arrested in this bust were willingly working because that job was they best they could get to make good money. LE has convinced the girls to plead that they were victims so they will get either a reduced sentance or dropped charges so that they can go after the owners.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/online-site-where-men-rated-prostitutes-is-shut-down-charges-to-be-filed/

There are legitimate trafficking situations, mainly from Latin American countries, Mexico, some girls who are charmed by pimps in the us. Some Eastern European groups, and some Asian groups; but South Koreans are one group, as are Thais, who seem to have a large number of women willing to do this work for the money, and for the most part, they can make good money.

Why should you care about this? LE's biggest targets are "owners", second target are the customers. Be very careful out there guys.

DavePHX
01-16-16, 08:52
Does anyone use any of the sugar baby websites? If so, do you care to share information on here? I am newly arrived from another state and intend to develop some reports to share.SeekingArrangement.com is the largest and Arizona has the 2nd largest number of sugar babies from the 3 universities only behind New York. Over 1000 college gals in Arizona seeking daddies at an average arrangement of about $3000 a month. Too rich for me!

DavePHX
01-17-16, 07:53
Challenge To Prostitution Law Update on Declaratory Judgement Complaint in USA District Court.

I give up trying to post summary and info due to "Your post contains some sort of vBulletin tags (such as.).

So for info see highlights of 1/15/2016 brief and status at.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18821

Member #5432
01-17-16, 10:49
Does anyone use any of the sugar baby websites? If so, do you care to share information on here? I am newly arrived from another state and intend to develop some reports to share.I tried SeekingArrangement but found the site itself was expensive and not particularly conducive. Most the girls had very high expectations of financial support. I recently ended up on WhatsYourPrice. Where you bid to pay a woman for a first date. Most of the women on there are seeking SD / sb arrangements. There are a few that are more akin to the kind of women hobbyists on this board prefer, and a few are just fakes, flakes, and scammers. While the usability of the site has some limitations, it isn't overly expensive to connect with a woman. You buy credits that then you use to "unlock" a date to be able to message her.

If you are looking for a sugarbaby, wyp has a lot of asu students as well as more mature and classy types. I've had mixed luck but do have an ongoing arrangement with one woman. In the end, I probably give her much less per encounter than a "date" with a woman on BP, but if I were to add up all the money I've spent on first dates that went no where and unlocking messages, than it isn't particularly economical. At least not yet. Most girls won't have sex on the first date, though a few do. Figuring which is a bit of a challenge.

In the end, it isn't economical if you are looking to just get laid compared to BP, but if you are looking for something ongoing, enjoy going out with a girl rather than just showing up at her place, and have some time to spare browsing around, than wyp is a good alternative.

Enjoy!

RW.

DavePHX
01-18-16, 05:48
Homeland Security Asking Hotel Staff to Report Customers for Too Many Condoms.

Frequent minibar-restock requests and refusal of maid service for several days also listed among signs you might be a sex trafficker.

Jan. 12,2016.

The USA Department of Homeland Security (DHS) continues to pour time and taxpayer money into convincing the American people that there's an epidemic of sex trafficking here.

Despite federal fearmongering, there's no concrete evidence to suggest that sex trafficking is even prevalent in America, let alone on the rise. But you would never know that from listening to lawmakers, federal officials, and their local-media mouthpieces talk. And while some of this propaganda stems from good intentions, it also provides good fodder for all manner of civil-liberties abuses, from seizing sex-business assets to expanding police wiretapping power. Now it's providing law enforcement with cover to convince citizens to spy on each other and report one another to police for perfectly normal activity.

That's why, as part of the "Safe Action Project," DHS staff will train hotel and hospitality workers on how to spot the so-called signs of sex trafficking. Alleged "red flags" include:

Garbage cans containing many used condoms.

Frequent use of "Do Not Disturb" sign on room door.

Excessive foot traffic in and out of a room.

"excessive sex paraphernalia" in room.

An "overly smelly room" that reeks of "cigarette, marijuana, sweat, bodily fluids, and musk".

A guest who "averts eyes or does not make eye contact".

Individuals "dressed inappropriate for age" or with "lower quality clothing than companions".

Guests with "suspicious tattoos".

The presence of multiple computers, cell phones, pagers, credit card swipes, or other technology.

The presence of photography equipment.

Minibar in need of frequent restocking.

Guests with too many personal hygiene products, especially "lubrication, douches".

Guests with too few personal possessions.

Rooms paid for with cash or a rechargeable credit card.

Refusal of room cleaning services for multiple days.

Take heed, lovers on romantic getaways, photographers on assignment, beauty-product junkies, tech workers, cash carriers, alcoholics, late sleepers, slobs, immodest dressers, people on the autism spectrum, people with body-odor problems, single patrons seeking hotel-bar hookups, light packers, and those with a youthful appearance: DHS is onto you!

http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/12/homeland-security-asking-hotel-staff-to

Addressing the FBI and Polaris Project regarding their failed approach in Super Bowl sex trafficking fight.

This is not a new approach. It's known to be a failed approach. They never seem to recover any victims at sporting events and this was a myth created by anti prostitution groups.

Does The Super Bowl Actually Bring With It Legions Of Prostitutes?

To add insult to injury we have already confirmed there are no services for victims or sex workers. In March 2015 we all heard Katherine xxxxx the founder of Polaris Project publicly admit, at her alumni dinner at Brown University, that they don't provide any direct services to anyone. There is no housing, no jobs that pay a living wage, no higher education etc. Did I mention husband is Bradley xxxx, CEO of Polaris Project who draws a 6 figure salary.

Polaris Project has manipulated Congress which resulted in legislation that forces strip clubs to put up human trafficking signs. They are forcing hotels to train employees to spy on their guests and call the cops if they use the do not disturb sign, or have too many condoms, lube and douches.

I am outraged that Polaris Project gets 3 to 7 million a year in funding, to create policies that violate the human rights of sex workers, putting them at greater risk of violence, which usually comes from the police during these "raids they claim are rescues". Meanwhile our youth lives in the streets with no services. #endhumantrafficking is a scam and it's one of the biggest criminal enterprises I have ever seen. All supported by US tax dollars.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qUcjuOZBvPhE4DzUdEqWYe9rZdk9xfuUmm6JBjFHRqo/edit

DavePHX
01-21-16, 03:05
Fake TER Reviews.

In the last two weeks have had many companions e-mail me about fake reviews of them on TER which are suspected LE.

One reviewer has done reviews of a number of companions, confirmed by companions they never met them by the descriptions and events in reviews.

Another recent fake has also been doing reviews of the gals of the few agencies in Phoenix which are at risk for major criminal enterprise charges and potentially decades in prison (via added money laundering charges they pile on).

Based on companion reports and stings my guess is it is LE undercover's placing the fake reviews with the full cooperation of TER since they will not remove most fake reviews based on many companions that e-mail me of their failed attempts to have them removed.

As I have often said, reviews would be almost impossible to introduce at a trial. But almost no cases go to trial and reviews are used to intimidate companions to get plea deals or for probably cause. I often see TER reviews mentioned in indictments.

My brain is having a problem with the intent of fake LE placed reviews since the reviews are for actual companions that have not been arrested. So LE doesn't seem to be posing as the companions.

Since the County Attorney I know as fact can and does lie to get plea deals, maybe the reviews are a warning the particular companion is a target and if they can arrest them they then use their own fake reviews to get pleas? This is somewhat similar to the underage entrapment stings (9 guys arrested in Mesa about a week ago).

Although I have not heard of any lately, for awhile LE was arresting companions solely on their ads that mention GFE or other slang for soliciting even without having to meet. I would think there is a fine line related the required "fee arrangement" if ad clearly states for companionship. But that may be blown if list illegal slang terms for sexual conduct in ads or websites.

Another Phoenix companion says:

I think if they do have guys planting fake reviews in TER it is for the purpose of getting an apt with another provider to bust who just looks at a clients reviews instead of contacting all the references. Esp if you steel an older reviewers handle a lot of people may know who that is and assume he is okay.

Member #5432
01-21-16, 11:07
My guess is undercover LE will do fake reviews of known providers as it creates legitimacy for themselves as hobbiests. Then when they review a decoy provider one will not be able to know if it is legitimate or not. It is quite easy to become a "senior member" on here posting made-up reviews and then getting the trust of other members. In short, reviews aren't enough anymore of whether a companion is real or undercover LE!

If one comes across fake reviews we should expose the reviewers and list their aliases so others know not to trust them! Obviously, they can just keep making new aliases, but it would help to call out the posers.

So much effort and time going to attempt to control what is ultimately uncontrollable and in so doing making it more dangerous for the providers. Idiocy run amok!

Stay Safe,

RW.

DavePHX
01-23-16, 19:11
Dr. Ted Testimony on the need for comfort women the military provides etc.

1/22/2016 - Maricopa Superior Court felony criminal enterprise case from over four years ago. Phoenix Temple.

Is public record. From my notes. Not an exact transcript.

Lots of witnesses for the defense over the last few weeks. Now just over 30 days into the trial. Dr. Ted testified similarly to his testimony at an evidentiary hearing over a year ago.

Dr. Ted (Age 83 has medical problems walking etc.) but was a fabulous witness just like when he testified at hearing a few years ago. He says he has testified at "hundreds or thousands" of times in courts as an expert witness, including many in military courts.

Tracy with questions established his extensive creditability globally on his Foundation and Institute of Advanced Human Sexuality, getting various laws passed in Calf, work against clitoral castration of women in many cultures just like Jewish religion does to boys that should be abuse, etc. He answers questions in great depth, often correcting Tracy in questions when not quite right. Discussed some of his published scientific research in sexuality with research done by his graduate students including a study of Nevada legal and illegal sexwork in Las Vegas. Discussed his interest in Tantra and he discussed its long history.

Opened with a long discussion of his being a minister of the Methodist Church and how the Institute formed related to the foundation via Methodist Church. There is a good discussion of this and the Institute at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Advanced_Study_of_Human_Sexuality.

Talked about the huge need for sex especially by males and if unmet will result in mad things giving examples in the military which is why sex is always provided to global militaries by leaves in places where sex for money is available. Sex is especially easily available for the wealthy more safely without legal risk such as in 19? Corrupt Casinos houses in LV.

The state asked him if Tantra is ever used as an excuse for prostitution. Dr. Ted says he had not heard of it.

The state thinks "gotcha you" quotes his testimony from the evidentiary hearing where he said Tantra was being used as an excuse for prostitution.

Dr. Ted responded that he said he was told Tantra was used as an excuse but has since found out it is not true. The Casinos want the "whales" that gamble $1 mil or more to get fast service from prostitutes hired by the Casino so they can get them in and out of the comfort suites as quickly as possible and get them back to the gambling tables. Said it is a totally corrupt system, prostitutes just used as bodies, mistreated, etc. Is not what he regards as positive sexuality (I am paraphrasing a bit).

On the military as an example of how men meet needed sexual needs again talks about how he provides the Navy sexual services for the sailors at sea. If females not available, the men would find other outlets that were not recommended. Now with more women in the military a more difficult problem if they need sexual relief from long times at sea.

"Comfort women are used by the military (USA) just like they keep comfort women at the Casinos of Las Vegas. " Is a problem he has consulted with Denmark on since the State provides sexual options (I think referring to those on welfare get so many visits to brothels as part of benefits), but with the Syrian refuges these women are offering sex at cut rates that interfere with Denmark funding of the brothels. (I think meaning the brothels making less money from the State since Syrian women taking a way business by lower fees). Similar situation in Iraq with comfort women providing services to the military would fight. Something about it was no big deal (since women are consenting adults) until it became a big stink with the forced comfort women of Japan in World War II?.

"Sex is to maintain order in the ranks, and every government provides" Now working on ways to better protect women in the military (I believe providing comfort women may avoid sexual harassment of female military members).

He is contracted by the Navy but even worse problems in the Marines. Asked why not sure why and hasn't done research.

States asks about him sending his students to brothels to study legal prostitution in Nev.

Ted replies he doesn't "send" them. They are given various study options for the degrees in Human Sexuality, and they choose to study brothels. If they did anything against their morals, it would taint the research.

Tracy asks Dr Ted about his view of intimacy etc. Related to the kind of work done at Temple. Tracy acknowledges Dr Ted has never been to the Temple but has some understanding of Tantra and the type of work done. (State has objected to Dr. Ted being a witness since he has no direct knowledge of Temple).

Discussion of his getting the professional certification accepted by the State of California for "Sexological Bodywork" (also discussed and confirmed by the Wikipedia article).

State asks something like, isn't it true that this certification does not include nude contact. Dr Ted: You are mistaken. (it does).

At some point also a discussion that Dr Ted is positive about most porn from a freedom to follow your own path however for relationships and intimacy teaching "hands-on" is essentially other than reading books or watching videos.

Related to the Temple, Dr Ted has given Tracy an honorary degree and questioned on what basis by State since has never been to the Temple.

Lots of objections, sustained or overruled arguments since State believes is not relevant. Dr. Ted tries to go in depth that 3 of his students had worked at the Temple including one that is now a highly recognized with a doctorate (Susan S- http://www.intimacyinsights.com and he has heard from them the great work the Temple has done in spiritual, sexual healing.

State objects noting another he heard from is Annie Sprinkle a porn star who would know nothing directly about the Temple.

(Didn't catch who the 3rd was).

So far Dr. Ted has had lots of soft-spoken inciteful really interesting "foreplay" about sexuality. An observer commented the jury seemed totally focused and interested in his testimony.

Now the orgasmic kind of end.

Dr. Ted is obviously perturbed about the State questioning why he granted Tracy an honorary degree when he had no personal experience at the Temple just what others told him.

He sort of loudly blurted out over the objection of the State that More Temples like Tracy's are needed and goes into so many are sexually in need of healing including what he sees in his work with disabled vets, often with catheters, and two missing legs with just a penis hanging down that have been rejected by their wives etc when they return from war with these disabilities and still have sexual needs.

Judge cuts him off. State objects as irrelevant.

Next report Phoenix Vice Detective that believe all prostitution are victims with Defense trying show bias in the arrest and 2011 SWAT military like raid on the Temple. He was involved in Project Rose and the investigation of the Phoenix Temple.

DavePHX
01-23-16, 21:09
All Prostitutes Victims Testimony.

Commander G. Bias.

Now with IT Phoenix Police but while a vice lieutenant involved in Project Rose and the investigation of the Temple.

(Skipping lots of the details of heated discussions to get to the bias issue vs other issues reported on the Temple List).

1/22/2016 Maricopa Superior Court. G. Back on stand. Trial is open to public and media.

Says he has not found any one charged with prostitution that has not been a victim after their investigative team questions them (Dave notes, yes admit a victim of go to jail choice given in Project Rose roundups).

Tracy asks, Am I a victim? You have met me. But said you have never met anyone that was not a victim. Am I a victim?

Says doesn't know since hasn't investigated background.

Lots more but this is part that may apply to others not related to being a Church or Temple.

Dave notes for those not getting the extensive Temple List updates, trial after more than 30 days is testimony in my view is going very well on the real issue of "no fee arrangement". In the States's case most of the witnesses (workers that were given lessor plea deals if agreed to testify for the State) are far more favorable to the defense than the State. Tracy has done great job on cross. Seems clear no fee arrangement since paid after the session, never before, never discuss donation and there was no blacklist if customers didn't donate. Maybe 12+ witness have verified this so I can't imagine how there could have been any "fee agreement" required for prostitution. Tracy keeps wanting to raise the constitutional issues which in my view are totally irrelevant and there is no constitutional protection from State criminal law (prostitution charges). The only hope under the Arizona Freedom of Religion Act has long been excluded from consideration (long story over the years of hearings).

Lots of other good witness's about the different kinds of orgasm which do not involve ejaculation, how if men ask for sex they are kicked out or not allowed to set up a sessions. Etc. Etc.

Trial is now in the defense phase and will probably go to the jury within the next month. If Tracy loses (I cannot imagine how) she will appeal. The worst I can imagine is a hung jury with one or two conservative religious types thinking it is prostitution. Then we would start all over again!

Uncle Remus
01-24-16, 01:24
All Prostitutes Victims Testimony.

Commander G. Bias.

Now with IT Phoenix Police but while a vice lieutenant involved in Project Rose and the investigation of the Temple.

(Skipping lots of the details of heated discussions to get to the bias issue vs other issues reported on the Temple List).

1/22/2016 Maricopa Superior Court. G. Back on stand. Trial is open to public and media.

Says he has not found any one charged with prostitution that has not been a victim after their investigative team questions them (Dave notes, yes admit a victim of go to jail choice given in Project Rose roundups).

Tracy asks, Am I a victim? You have met me. But said you have never met anyone that was not a victim. Am I a victim?

Says doesn't know since hasn't investigated background.

Lots more but this is part that may apply to others not related to being a Church or Temple.

Dave notes for those not getting the extensive Temple List updates, trial after more than 30 days is testimony in my view is going very well on the real issue of "no fee arrangement". In the States's case most of the witnesses (workers that were given lessor plea deals if agreed to testify for the State) are far more favorable to the defense than the State. Tracy has done great job on cross. Seems clear no fee arrangement since paid after the session, never before, never discuss donation and there was no blacklist if customers didn't donate. Maybe 12+ witness have verified this so I can't imagine how there could have been any "fee agreement" required for prostitution. Tracy keeps wanting to raise the constitutional issues which in my view are totally irrelevant and there is no constitutional protection from State criminal law (prostitution charges). The only hope under the Arizona Freedom of Religion Act has long been excluded from consideration (long story over the years of hearings).

Lots of other good witness's about the different kinds of orgasm which do not involve ejaculation, how if men ask for sex they are kicked out or not allowed to set up a sessions. Etc. Etc.

Trial is now in the defense phase and will probably go to the jury within the next month. If Tracy loses (I cannot imagine how) she will appeal. The worst I can imagine is a hung jury with one or two conservative religious types thinking it is prostitution. Then we would start all over again!Phenoix LEOS need to find a hobby, lmao! There has got to be be better things they could be spending tax payers money on, pompous MFers in Maricopa!

DontKnowMe19
01-24-16, 03:12
Phenoix LEOS need to find a hobby, lmao! There has got to be be better things they could be spending tax payers money on, pompous MFers in Maricopa!Yeah they do. It also doesn't help when Christian Groups are privately finding the PD in order to fight this cause.

DRB7051
01-25-16, 18:21
So I'm 24 and fairly new to the Gentlemen's club / lap dancing scene here in the Phoenix area. I just moved back to the Phoenix area. Mesa to be exact. Anyway, just wondering with the heat in the valley, what type of boxers are better to wear when getting a lap dance or maybe something more from the girls in the clubs if you get my meaning. I like the feel of silk boxers especially when I've got a rock hard boner and she's rubbing and grinding her tight little ass against my dick through my pants and boxers. The friction just seems to feel a lot better against my dick. But with the heat and how hot it gets in Phoenix maybe silk boxers don't work as well. Maybe cotton boxers or boxer-briefs would be better? Either way it's going to make my boner really noticeable regardless. What would you guys suggest?

Boogaloo Sam
01-26-16, 01:58
I'm mid 30's, 38 w, with the balloon seat. I prefer a high cut bikini in a classic poly cotton, which Higgs and I have discussed, is strictly a "comfort thing". None of that sheer thong busch league stuff.

They used to call me power bottom at hi lighter back in the day.

Sam.


So I'm 24 and fairly new to the Gentlemen's club / lap dancing scene here in the Phoenix area. I just moved back to the Phoenix area. Mesa to be exact. Anyway, just wondering with the heat in the valley, what type of boxers are better to wear when getting a lap dance or maybe something more from the girls in the clubs if you get my meaning. I like the feel of silk boxers especially when I've got a rock hard boner and she's rubbing and grinding her tight little ass against my dick through my pants and boxers. The friction just seems to feel a lot better against my dick. But with the heat and how hot it gets in Phoenix maybe silk boxers don't work as well. Maybe cotton boxers or boxer-briefs would be better? Either way it's going to make my boner really noticeable regardless. What would you guys suggest?

DRB7051
01-26-16, 13:06
I'm mid 30's, 38 w, with the balloon seat. I prefer a high cut bikini in a classic poly cotton, which Higgs and I have discussed, is strictly a "comfort thing". None of that sheer thong busch league stuff.

They used to call me power bottom at hi lighter back in the day.

Sam.Nice. Not sure if briefs or bikini briefs would work for me. They'd probably just restrict my boner and make me cum faster. It might get messy if she's grinding and rubbing her ass and pussy all over my hard dick in the club.

BeenTher
01-26-16, 19:08
So I'm 24 and fairly new to the Gentlemen's club / lap dancing scene here in the Phoenix area. I just moved back to the Phoenix area. Mesa to be exact. Anyway, just wondering with the heat in the valley, what type of boxers are better to wear when getting a lap dance or maybe something more from the girls in the clubs if you get my meaning. I like the feel of silk boxers especially when I've got a rock hard boner and she's rubbing and grinding her tight little ass against my dick through my pants and boxers. The friction just seems to feel a lot better against my dick. But with the heat and how hot it gets in Phoenix maybe silk boxers don't work as well. Maybe cotton boxers or boxer-briefs would be better? Either way it's going to make my boner really noticeable regardless. What would you guys suggest?Loose shorts and commando.

Higgs Boson
01-26-16, 20:37
I'm mid 30's, 38 w, with the balloon seat. I prefer a high cut bikini in a classic poly cotton, which Higgs and I have discussed, is strictly a "comfort thing". None of that sheer thong busch league stuff.
Whaaaa? I didn't realize I was now doing celebrity endorsements. I don't remember discussing my underwear with anyone except that dancer at Mustang Sally's about 10 years ago when she noted my choice of color. You been talking with her? High-cut bikini ? Sheer thong ? Too much information.


They used to call me power bottom at hi lighter back in the day.I REALLY don't want to know what THIS means.

Higgs.

DavePHX
01-31-16, 01:35
http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18826

DavePHX
01-31-16, 05:01
STOP THE WAR ON ADULT SEX WORKERS!

Stop the unfair and militant criminilization of sex workers in America.

Legalize licensed, regulated, and tax prostitution (safe sex only) for consenting adults in private or in a local brothel setting. Put some of the revenues towards fighting human trafficking, child abuse, domestic violence, therapists for sex workers that wish to get out of the business.

PLEASE SIGN PETITION TO DECRIMINALIZE SEX WORK NOW!

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/decriminilizelegalize?

DavePHX
01-31-16, 05:17
Super Bowl Sex Trafficking Myth Won't Go Away.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18829

DavePHX
01-31-16, 06:03
City, state leaders join forces to end sex trade.

This is going on nationwide including in Phoenix led by Ms. McCain and many others.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18833

DavePHX
01-31-16, 07:23
Federal Challange to Prostitution Law Supplemental Brief.

1/29/2016 The various Attorney Generals filed Reply to Plaintiff's Supplemental Brief on Defendant's Motion to dismiss.

My summary plus the entire brief and key exhibits attached at.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18835

YoniLicker
02-02-16, 01:47
City, state leaders join forces to end sex trade.

This is going on nationwide including in Phoenix led by Ms. McCain and many others.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18833When ever I see mention / reports about the corrupt practice used by LEOs, and government's abuse of the legal system, I remember how all of this weirdness started here in the states. It was from invaders from Europe who declared they had "Discovered" what was eventually named America.

Now think about it. They proclaimed they "DISCOVERED" America even though there were millions of people already living here?

Progeny of the first invaders believed in witches!! The true test, it has been reported, of being a witch was to throw the accused into water. If she drowned, Oh Well! She wasn't a witch. Those poor souls who didn't drown were burned alive at "The Stake".

Prior to invading America (No we won't mention the Spanish Inquisition) the head of an enemy was chopped off and either hung in a cage on top of a tall spike, or placed directly on the spike. Seems one could regularly encounter them at the beginning of bridges, a message to the masses that you better behave, and follow the RULES!

One of the compounds of the early invaders with an alliance with local people had fortified their compound with walls. Distrusting their alliance with the local people they ambushed one of the leaders of the local people, cut off his head and hoisted high on a petard so that locals could easily see their leader's head from quite a distance. The theory reported was that head impaled on a tall petard would make the local people think twice about attacking the invaders village as they demonstrated how powerful they were.

These were the people seeking freedom, religious freedom invaders that eventually genocide executioners were the ones whose cultural main stay was anti-sex, ant-sex beliefs that still permeate the demand for government to arrest anyone who does not hold the same religious beliefs as The Puritans held about sex.

Has anyone ever heard an anti-sexer address exactly why two consenting adults are not capable of deciding if buying sexual service is agreeable to both? If I want to buy the service of someone to cut my hair? If I'm arrested can I buy legal services? Without resorting to religious beliefs exactly why does any government interfere with "Free-Tade" between adults?

The blatant lies propagated by the anti-sexers are easily recognized as REDICULOUS! Just on face value. At times I shake my head in disbelief! Lies backed by FUNDING show cases how corrupt the legal system is in The USA. Wholesale CONTEMPT for our legal system, along with further disgust of politicos complicit with "Jack-Booted" tenably lying to enforce religious beliefs on adults exercising what should be freedom of choice, freedom from being compelled to live by some other persons religious beliefs. If that spectacle isn't wickedly evil on it's own, add the corrupt practices of the legal system furiously dancing away like demons on LSD dancing around a bond fire on the solstice.

Respect for the uniform is often demanded, Respect foe the prosecution insisted upon! Guarded respect for the black robed enforcer is demanded! All that is attained is false respect, respect holding the same ilk of what tortured people eventually confess to escape more torture.

To borrow wording from an American writer the legal system is a foul character of itself, with the manners of a Hyena, and style of a poison toad.

PIGS!! Ever seen wild pigs? They have cleaned up their acting since the 60's, donned camouflage of respectability, but none the less, the wild savagery still escapes in the name of protecting us all from participating in "Free-Trade", because we are too poor to grease the wheels of Congress like the financial system did and does.

Any one remember "Black Codes".

Long Live Jim Crow!!

Greek Deprived.

Ralf511
02-02-16, 15:42
When ever I see mention / reports about the corrupt practice used by LEOs, and government's abuse of the legal system, I remember how all of this weirdness started here in the states. It was from invaders from Europe who declared they had "Discovered" what was eventually named America.

Now think about it. They proclaimed they "DISCOVERED" America even though there were millions of people already living here?

Progeny of the first invaders believed in witches!! The true test, it has been reported, of being a witch was to throw the accused into water. If she drowned, Oh Well! She wasn't a witch. Those poor souls who didn't drown were burned alive at "The Stake".

Prior to invading America (No we won't mention the Spanish Inquisition) the head of an enemy was chopped off and either hung in a cage on top of a tall spike, or placed directly on the spike. Seems one could regularly encounter them at the beginning of bridges, a message to the masses that you better behave, and follow the RULES!

One of the compounds of the early invaders with an alliance with local people had fortified their compound with walls. Distrusting their alliance with the local people they ambushed one of the leaders of the local people, cut off his head and hoisted high on a petard so that locals could easily see their leader's head from quite a distance. The theory reported was that head impaled on a tall petard would make the local people think twice about attacking the invaders village as they demonstrated how powerful they were.

These were the people seeking freedom, religious freedom invaders that eventually genocide executioners were the ones whose cultural main stay was anti-sex, ant-sex beliefs that still permeate the demand for government to arrest anyone who does not hold the same religious beliefs as The Puritans held about sex.

Has anyone ever heard an anti-sexer address exactly why two consenting adults are not capable of deciding if buying sexual service is agreeable to both? If I want to buy the service of someone to cut my hair? If I'm arrested can I buy legal services? Without resorting to religious beliefs exactly why does any government interfere with "Free-Tade" between adults?

The blatant lies propagated by the anti-sexers are easily recognized as REDICULOUS! Just on face value. At times I shake my head in disbelief! Lies backed by FUNDING show cases how corrupt the legal system is in The USA. Wholesale CONTEMPT for our legal system, along with further disgust of politicos complicit with "Jack-Booted" tenably lying to enforce religious beliefs on adults exercising what should be freedom of choice, freedom from being compelled to live by some other persons religious beliefs. If that spectacle isn't wickedly evil on it's own, add the corrupt practices of the legal system furiously dancing away like demons on LSD dancing around a bond fire on the solstice.

Respect for the uniform is often demanded, Respect foe the prosecution insisted upon! Guarded respect for the black robed enforcer is demanded! All that is attained is false respect, respect holding the same ilk of what tortured people eventually confess to escape more torture.

To borrow wording from an American writer the legal system is a foul character of itself, with the manners of a Hyena, and style of a poison toad.

PIGS!! Ever seen wild pigs? They have cleaned up their acting since the 60's, donned camouflage of respectability, but none the less, the wild savagery still escapes in the name of protecting us all from participating in "Free-Trade", because we are too poor to grease the wheels of Congress like the financial system did and does.

Any one remember "Black Codes".

Long Live Jim Crow!!

Greek Deprived.Thank you Greek Deprived very well said! And Amen. Shit. Does that make me a puritan. Fuck.

Danimal Forth
02-05-16, 02:01
One of our favorite local agencies is closing shop for a short break. Rest assured that everything is ok over there.

DavePHX
02-05-16, 07:03
Press Release: End The Anti-Trafficking Scam.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE February 3, 2016.

Contact: Claire xxxxxx 415-275-3642.

info@esplerp.org

The Erotic Service Providers Legal Education and Research Project calls on Federal and State bodies to stop grants to self-perpetuating anti-trafficking organizations.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18836

YoniLicker
02-05-16, 08:41
Hello. My name is Quentin, I've seem your adds on BP and decided to call you. I'm searching for a special person, one with a wide variety of sexual experiences who thoroughly enjoys being sexy, and sex. What I am specifically looking for is a consultant, an adviser in areas I have little or no sexual experiences to help me with a movie I'm interested in writing.

If you were to write a movie with you as the main character what sexual activity would fall into your enjoyable category, into I'm willing to go along with it but it's only on my tolerable list, and finally what falls into the "No thanks! Not interested1 NO WAY NO HOW!" I'm not into pain of any sort, bondage, not interested, threesomes, not interested, voyeurism never interested me. How about you?

If something I'm interested in like anal, or trying different positions to write about the experience, how they compare to the Standard Missionary Position is not mentioned, then I ask about that.

This allows me to compare what I'm interested in to what the other person enjoys or is willing to put up with.

Then I admit, "I'm basically a shy person and have discovered that when I have to talk about these intimate subjects it helps me TREMENDOUSLY to break the ice, get both of our minds on the subject is we start by taking ours clothes off and just hugging. Will that be OK with you?

Other than LEO's standard test-a-lying to make a case, can I be arrested when I show up to meet the consultant / adviser, ask her to take off her clothes as I do for the hug?

Since this will be a situation where the adviser only gets paid for consultancy services, payment won't be forth coming until the end of the hourly fee.

Any pits falls I'm not aware of?

Tarantino and Danny Trejo Fan.

YoniLicker
02-05-16, 09:46
If ". The County Attorney I know as fact can and does lie to get plea deals, maybe the reviews are a warning the particular companion is a target and if they can arrest them they then use their own fake reviews to get pleas?

Can't the review be used as evidence or LEO engaging in the sexual activity they described?

If the FAKE planted review is used against someone don't they have to verify what was posted described an actual event and not a childish prank by an immature teenager, like calling a random phone number and asking is your refrigerator running? Well. You better go CATCH it THEN!! HAW HAW HEE HEE.

If LEO lies, prosecutors lies, what is wrong with the accused also lying? The "confession" is as accurate as the accuracy of LEO's. It was designed for an effect just like LEO's lies were designed for an effect. Since it is well known LEO's are not only allowed to lie, but also encouraged and rewarded for lying, what prohibits the person who is the object of the lies from not following suite and also lying?

Or even more to the point asking "What do I have to say to get you to finally leave me alone so I can go home? I'll say anything you want me to say to get out of here!

Or more specifically, since LEOs regularly lie and prosecutors regularity lie and practice extortion to bully "defendants" into confessing, accepting unwarranted plea deals, why should, would any believe what they say? From the outset they all lack the structure of credibility.

What is the difference between "Water Boarding" and a practiced bully's extortion to elicit a confession, when the abused person lacks the ability to rebuff lying authority figures??

As the religious wackos conspire to quash the constitutional right of choice to any individual that does not live according to their fanatical mandates, they subvert the very under pinning of the document our country is based upon; they gleefully re-intact the tyrannical evil that drove people to flee to this continent.

The same democratic zeal driving them is identical to the core emotional values that blessed forcing fellow Japanese Americans' to abandon all of their belongings, abandon their business, abandon their house to be herded into "concentration style camps" often in isolated desert region where their rights as American citizens were contemptibly, jeeringly, disregarded.

Long Live Demons Driving Reprehensible Insidious Laws Draining the Life Force Sustaining an Individual's Freedom to Choose.

As the Queen in Alice and Wonderland said, "Off with their heads!

Deprived and Dismayed!!

DavePHX
02-06-16, 02:51
If ". The County Attorney I know as fact can and does lie to get plea deals, maybe the reviews are a warning the particular companion is a target and if they can arrest them they then use their own fake reviews to get pleas? Can't the review be used as evidence or LEO engaging in the sexual activity they described 1) Reviews would be virtually impossible to use at trial since they would have to lay a foundation, find the reviewer and have him testify.

However, they can be powerful to get plea deals and about 95% of cases never to go trial. Reviews are often included in probably cause statements used to get grand jury indictments in sexworker cases. I have read many of them. LE arresting is a very low bar of probably cause vs proving something if a case every goes to trial which often is a 2-4+ year experience to get to any trial in Maricopa Superior Court where I follow many sexworker felony cases.

2) The CA (Montgomery's gang is really bad) can and does lie about facts or reason for arrest to get plea deals. However I have heard the Court testimony and some interviews of many of the lead vice officers and commanders that run most of the Phoenix prostitution stings and they have been very honest on the stand even if under cross they admit facts in favor of the defense. One bust vice gal is very attractive and sharp (perfect sting women) - I could really like her if she wasn't the enemy related to sexual rights. She is very friendly and honest even with the accused once in Court.

DavePHX
02-11-16, 07:02
P411 Money Grab by Gina and again more suspicion of LE use reported by Maggie xxxx long time sexwork advocate.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18838

Chessi69
03-09-16, 02:31
Tried to send a PM / your inbox is full.

Chessi69.

DavePHX
03-10-16, 07:37
Social Perspective and the Phoenix Temple Raids.

(And much about positive aspects of sexwork).

Highlights of longer article by Maya Yonika March 9, 2016.

It was late last night when I found myself sitting before my computer screen staring, frankly rather stunned. I was reading news that, surprising even to myself, struck me with the force of being whacked with a baseball bat: Tracy Elise, at the helm of the Phoenix Temple raids, now some five years past, had just been found guilty. On twenty two criminal counts.

Yet I'the dismissed this case altogether. I, and many others had not only dismissed, but perhaps our apathy was helped along through the subtlest hint of glee and self-importance lurking in the shadows; a kind of ugly, 'superior' gloating that separated my ideas of 'me' from 'them'. One that said, 'See. I told you so. '.

Following the raids, the media endlessly encoded the term 'prostitute' in conjunction with Tracy and her case, and the whole thing turned into a kind of joke. 'Priestess or prostitute?' were the headlines, demanding everyone choose a side.

I never personally visited the Temple in Phoenix, yet as mentioned, I'the worked not far down the road offering neo-tantric sessions. The experience was not only a profound fulcrum point within my personal evolution, but also for many of my clients. Every session was different. In some, nothing but words were exchanged. In others, I held men as they shared their pains and fears, oftentimes shedding long held back tears. When sensual massage was appropriate, I would be face-to-face with the masculine, literally and emotionally vulnerable in our nakedness. Many men told me they felt safe to share certain parts of themselves for the very first time. For me, it was also my first experiences of really getting to feel the heart of man. Through the tender openness of such work, I began to understand their deepest joys, desires, grieving and pains, far beyond the unfortunate conditionings my life story had thus far led me to believe. Many tears were shared and shed on both sides, physical ailments cleared in ways that I couldn't grasp at the time, and to this day, almost a decade later, I still receive gorgeous letters of honor and gratitude for these experiences. Both their lives and mine were changed forever. There was indeed a sacred element within this hands on, loving and open training ground. Ironically this is where I first began to feel empowered and safe in my own abilities and convictions, considering our social beliefs and images of what goes on behind Temple doors.

But I hadn't personally experienced the Temple in Phoenix, so wanted to know the perspective of those that had been directly involved in the raids. I reached out, and this is what the first woman I spoke with shared:

I think there are many forces at play when it comes to the public's general idea of sex work. For contextual purposes I'm calling American neo-Tantra, somatic sexual education, sexological bodywork, sacred sex practice, escorting, etc. All "sex work. " As it was explained to me by several lawyers and police officers, despite the intention of the practitioner, if there is any kind of "sexual touching" and there is an exchange of money, it would be considered prostitution.

I know my view is unpopular, lumping all of this together, because there is for sure in-fighting in the communities about neo-Tantra and somatic sex education not being prostitution. Hell I used to be there. But let's be real about it: under the law, it's all lumped together whether we like it or not. The Phoenix Goddess Temple is case-in-point.

I wrote before that there is a consensus within the legal and policy-making field that people get into this kind of work because they have been a) sexually abused or b) because someone forces them into it. There is also a consensus that this work is inherently dangerous and that women, especially, need rescuing from it. I'm not trying to argue that there aren't cases in which this is very true. Of course there are. In the case of the PGT, the prosecution argued that Tracy was using religion and education as disguise for prostitution. There is ZERO context for sex work that is healing / religious or educational within the law, and as we watched with the PGT, this argument just does not hold up in the courts.

So I guess I'm saying all of this because I think it's an accurate reflection of the dominant paradigm related to opinions of sex work in general. It's mostly the legal side, but it provides a context. I also think that there is very little context for intimacy, pleasure or sensuality outside of sex. That in a way, people lump that all together too. Whenever I tell people about the intimate work I've done with others, I find myself talking a lot about the need for human connection, the need for intimacy and touch and the need for compassion. I think a lot of the work I've done is really focused on that. And I think a lot of people seek out sex workers, because the drive for pleasure and orgasm is fundamental but it is also tied up with the desire for connection, the desire to be loved and the desire to experience essential truth.

I know that my experience has merit, even in the sea of projections and ideas of sex work being some cold, victimizing, experience. I think on some level we have as a culture lost the ability to have an honest inquiry around sexuality as a whole. It has become such a fragile thing. I understand why. There is a lot of hurt mixed in with it, a lot of fear and a lot of control. On some level I think the work I've been doing provides time and space where people can be out of control. Not in a dangerous sense, but in the sense that they let go and become more real with themselves, they feel and are more authentic. And they enjoy themselves and their bodies. It's simple and very human.

Over the years, I have experienced the beauty of watching my clients heal. I once had a client who was grieving the loss of their daughter in a car accident. I've bore witness to his release of heart-wrenching grief while silently holding him. He came to me seeking sensual bodywork, but what he needed was to feel that. That was the extent of our sexual experience. It was emotional and wild and deeply connected and it changed him. I've had many clients who haven't been touched, lovingly, by anyone in years. I've witnessed the layers of their self-loathing and sadness melt away under the warmth of my hands. There are so many countless stories but what I want to say is that people's ideas of what this work is all about are not always accurate. I guess what I'm trying to say is that my experiences don't line up with the public opinion that all sex work is victimizing or like cold-hard porn behind closed doors for cash. I think that it's time that we inquire more deeply. Anonymous.

My hope is that all the more practitioners will open and come together to loosen the stifling fears, judgments and biases that help to keep deadened and obsolete patriarchal rule and enforcement in place. Tantric Temples are some of the last remaining spaces that are innately Feminine; where her nurturing, healing capabilities and innate power are recognized and honored. It is where woman can learn Her place as guide, rather than subordinate to the patriarchal mind.

As Tracy stated in her closing arguments, sexual healing is an asset to the community. 'Please don't let pornography and sex ed be the only thing people have. ".

Full article at http://ramamaya.********.com/2016/03/social-perspective-and-phoenix-temple.html.

Her books and bio at.

http://www.amazon.com/No-Mud-Lotus-Spiritual-Awakening/dp/0615788424/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

Dave responds to above link posted on the Temple support FB:

Maya's linked longer article very good, especially on the physical loving comfort side. Yet as she and New Times correctly quotes Tracy in her final comments sums it up well, "As Tracy stated in her closing arguments, sexual healing is an asset to the community. 'Please don't let pornography and sex ed be the only thing people have".

Long ago many many decades. I had a girlfriend who was a Psy or social worker forget which. Knowing of my Esalen massage background she introduced me to a friend / client who had been sexually abused. While doing loving massage on her shoulder she started crying. In later discussions it was the power of loving touch replacing as she said "that is where her father hit her with a baseball bat while raping her. " It was like loving energy replacing the emotional abuse bad energy and it had nothing whatsoever to do with religion just caring touch of Esalen type massage which I love doing, but just with friends or the great reaction I get in the legal nude-reverse adult body rubs of Toronto area. And enjoying so many women that that have such good sensual intimacy skills.

Sadly in the USA This is all just lumped into "prostitution" as something horrid. As the detective testified at Tracy's trial after many years as an undercover he had never met a sex worker that had not been abused. Tracy asked "Have I been abused?" He responded he didn't know since hadn't done background check but when he does he claimed 'ALL" he arrested had been abused linking this to why they choose sexwork. That is how sick our culture is with all the fake studies and arguments that no women that had any good feelings about themselves would choose any form of sexwork.

The "save them" industry is funded by multi-millions by Polaris Foundation and many others with their fake discredited research to show all sexworkers were abused and these groups provide grants to police including in Phx as well as nation wide to "end demand" and "save" all the sexworkers. As in Project Rose Roundups to Bethany Bible Church admit you are a "victim" and be saved by Catholic Charities program, or go to jail.

Maya Yonika responds: Yes yes yes. Such beautiful support. This is the side the public needs to understand in these times. The negative biases way outweigh the reality. Lets do more of this. Thank you SO much for hearing this beautifully Dave -heart emoticon Deep deep appreciation.

DavePHX
03-12-16, 05:08
Dangerous Client Warning curtis8319 on TER in Phoenix and Vegas.

A number of higher cost companions have been his victim.

Example of why the legal situation makes it so dangerous vs decriminalization.

He puts down an envelope when arrives. If companion looks at it finds funny play money $450 and $650 reported which was the agreed upon fee. Some report he then pulls out a gun and robs them.

Another Phoenix companion didn't find the fake money until after he left and is lucky she didn't confront him and have him pull his gun.

He used the last name of Blake and seems to move back and forth from Phoenix and Vegas. A phone he has used is 702-xxx-8039.

A Phoenix companion wrote after scammed with fake money in March 2016, "I know he's trolling the boards looking at the posts on his latest conquest for jack off material, so I'll leave him with this thought, you miserable piece of shit. You may think I'm just a stupid *****, but you've just stepped in a steaming pile of shit. Watch your back, dearie, because hell's comin', and I'm comin' with it! Til we meet again!

Ajlee133
03-13-16, 21:28
Dawn, more known as the submissive GND, is back and operating in Phoenix.

If she hasn't contacted you yet, and you are interested, PM me. I'm down for a trade!

Desert Rat
03-14-16, 01:48
Dawn, more known as the submissive GND, is back and operating in Phoenix.

If she hasn't contacted you yet, and you are interested, PM me. I'm down for a trade!My invite must have got lost in the mail.

DrPoon
03-15-16, 08:15
I wouldn't recommend taking money or other items back which belong to you in Nevada. Look what happened to OJ in Nevada!

http://a5.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fill, cs_srgb, dpr_1. 0,g_face, h_300,q_80,w_300/ MTE5 NDg0 MDU1 MTI5 NDU4 MTkx. Jpg.


Dangerous Client Warning curtis8319 on TER in Phoenix and Vegas.

A number of higher cost companions have been his victim.

Example of why the legal situation makes it so dangerous vs decriminalization.

He puts down an envelope when arrives. If companion looks at it finds funny play money $450 and $650 reported which was the agreed upon fee. Some report he then pulls out a gun and robs them.

Another Phoenix companion didn't find the fake money until after he left and is lucky she didn't confront him and have him pull his gun.

He used the last name of Blake and seems to move back and forth from Phoenix and Vegas. A phone he has used is 702-xxx-8039.

A Phoenix companion wrote after scammed with fake money in March 2016, "I know he's trolling the boards looking at the posts on his latest conquest for jack off material, so I'll leave him with this thought, you miserable piece of shit. You may think I'm just a stupid *****, but you've just stepped in a steaming pile of shit. Watch your back, dearie, because hell's comin', and I'm comin' with it! Til we meet again!

Desert Rat
03-15-16, 21:25
Went to Dawn's website and found she wanted everything but a DNA sample to see her. I have given my friend who is a physician less history than this chick wants you to see her. I don't mind the money but the intrusion in my privacy is way too much for me.

DrPoon
03-18-16, 02:24
This is from the Maricopa County Attorney newsletter. It shows the government's position on why it thinks posting child prostitution ads are not entrapment (because the sites don't have adequate age verification). It has important facts everyone should know by now:

- don't buy cigarettes!

- don't buy anything for a new provider only bring yourself and preferably pick her up and move her to a secure meeting point!!

"Although a person must be at least 18 to post an ad on Backpage, the website does not have an age verification system. In her ad, "Sky" used terminology commonly associated with underage sex. She also exchanged text messages with Evans in which she indicated she was too young to buy cigarettes and asked if he would bring her a pack. As Deputy County Attorneys Rebecca Jones and Megan Eshelman later pointed out to a trial jury, this negotiation for cigarettes represented proof that the Defendant knew he was soliciting sex from a minor. Evans was charged with one count of prostitution with a minor, which carries a mandatory minimum prison term of seven years. It took the jury only 30 minutes of deliberation before they returned with a guilty verdict. Sadly, his case is not uncommon. Police agencies throughout Maricopa County have recently stepped up sting operations like this one as part of a broader effort to combat child prostitution and sex trafficking. Just in the first week of January, 9 men were arrested by Mesa Police for soliciting sex from undercover detectives posing as minors. ".

Desert Rat
03-19-16, 01:19
I was asked by a provider once to bring cigarettes and condoms to her. I destroyed the SIM card in my burner phone and threw the parts away. I am fortunate that I saw the article about that grocery store CEO that got busted that way.

DrPoon
03-24-16, 03:57
Was reading craigslist today. An 18 posted an ad. Then I attempted contact and she seemed weird. I never mentioned sexual contact in exchange for money or anything of value. Then I cross referenced her pics and she also appears on a dating site in Wales, United Kingdom as a 19 year old. So a fake pic by the FBI obviously.

So don't buy cigarettes. Don't mention sex and definitely don't mention a sexual contact for money or anything of value transaction. And always request a confirmation topless pic.

DavePHX
03-26-16, 04:12
A short humor break?

The Portland rally with about 11,000 with Bernie xxxxxx provided for me the most humor of anything political this season. For those that haven't seen the video, some of the YouTube and national media start the replay too late.

What is almost as funny is the beginning where in his usual serious stump speech the audience behind him starts to smile and some soft laughs. In mid-sentence for a moment Bernie stops it seems trying to figure out why folks are laughing. Huh? - Then audience points to the little bird on the stage. Then the birdie flies up and sits in front of Bernie on the Podium. The reaction of Bernie and the crowd you have to see to appreciate regardless of political views. (See link at end).

There is debate whether it was a sparrow or a finch.

After it flies away, Bernie says, "That bird is really a dove asking us for world peace. ".

The Oregonian- March 25,2016.

In the city where TV show Portlandia popularized the phrase 'put a bird on it', one flew right up to the Democratic presidential candidate's podium.

A tiny bird interrupted presidential candidate Bernie xxxxxxxxs' rally in Portland, Oregon, on Friday afternoon, to the thunderous applause of the crowd.

Welcome to Portland, Senator xxxxxxs, where the sketch comedy show Portlandia popularized the refrain "put a bird on it" as a way to parody the city's hipster aesthetic.

The bird, breed unknown, alighted on the stage before flying up to the Democratic presidential hopeful's podium. Xxxxxer stood for a few seconds as the crowd cheered. At one point xxxxxx shrugged his shoulders at Mr. Bird as if to say, "Waddya know you're a hit. ".

Various reader responses:

The Greek believed in "Bird Omens" in ancient times. What a great Omen of things to come for Bernie. Bernie is so good and honest the birds come down to greet him. As opposed to that Bald Eagle that wanted to poke, harshly, Donald Txxxx.

Sparrows are bird totems that had long-standing symbolic value in the past. In ancient Britain, for example, sparrows symbolized the friendly spirits of the household. As time progressed on, though, the sparrow became a symbol of peasants and the lower classes. This is quite strange when you think of how the Greeks believed that this little bird was the pet of Aphrodite, the goddess of love.

"I'd like to punch it in the beak; I tell you"- Txxxx?

I love the way a normally shy and skittish bird seemed to trust Bernie. And I love the symbolism of a dove wanting world peace! That off the cuff comment was JFK-worthy.

A little bird in a huge gathering (about 11,000) of loud humans flies to Bernie xxxxxx. This man never ceases to stir my soul.

It is indeed unusual for a bird to perch unexpectedly on the lectern of someone running for President. Apparently the bird is feeling the Bern.

All big buildings have birds. It's what the bird did the defies the long odds. It was a great political moment. It was touching and warm.

That really was pretty incredible. I know the Republican Freak Show is entertaining, but I'd so much rather see this kind of atmosphere. This kind of rekindles my hope that we'll all live through this.

Believe that is Haemorhous mexicanus, house finch, which came into this country undocumented and has spread to all 48 states. Boy, did he pick the right candidate or what?

The sparrow felt safe enough to get closer to the man, as if he / she was truly listening. This is so restorative to the spirit after the Txxxxx / Cxxxxx ridiculousness.

I love how the crowd interrupted bernie to point and say "birdie!

A very good omen for a great man of peace!

I already knew I liked him but this was just too special.

You can't fake a smile as genuine as his.

This is incredible. At least 4 people behind him wiped tears away. ?

"I'm a bird and I approve this message. ".

Can I vote for the bird??

According to Jewish mythology and the Old Hebrew Testament, in the Garden of Eden there is a Tree of life, or the "Tree of Souls". These trees are resting places for souls and only Sparrows can see the soul's ascent, explaining their joyous chirping. Kinda heavy, being it was "Holy Friday".

The fact is, this little sparrow stood peacefully in the podium on its own free will, while trump had a bald eagle chained to his desk for a photoshoot. Says a lot about the candidates!?

Txxxx's response:

Look, birds LOVE me. People always ask me what I think about birds. I have the best birds. We look at the polls and I'm winning all the birds. Okay? And that's good, that's to be expected. But listen I love birds. I'm a friend of the birds, always we've been friends.

You know what birds I hate? Chinese birds. And Muslim birds. And Mexican birds. We're going to build a birdcage for all of those birds. It's going to be a beautiful birdcage. And I'm going to make the birds pay for it. The beauty of me, and this is important. It's great. I can talk like a bird. You know, squawk. I'm very good at squawking. The best.

And someone very smart, almost as smart as me, said it is better to live one day as a hawk than 100 years as a pigeon. ?

The replay:

Bernie Sxxxxxxx 'put a bird on it' at Portland rally.

The Oregonian.

https://youtu.be/Jc2TVLoxsDA

Vs.

Eagle trumps Txxxx.

A bald eagle showed Donald xxxxxxx who's boss when the two were forced to breathe the same air during a photoshoot for Time magazine earlier this year.

The bird flapped, pecked and scratched away at the leading candidate for the Republican nomination, in what feels like an all-too-real metaphor for the current state of American politics.

Yep, you heard that right. Xxxxxxxx was attacked by the very symbol of the United States of America. https://giphy.com/gifs/w5KMBQt6drXvq?utm_source=iframe&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=tag_click.

Selasorp
03-26-16, 04:46
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See where it says "Report Post?"

Do that instead of this. You don't think their political stuff should be there because it has nothing to do with the matter at hand (pussy) but your post complaining about their political stuff does?

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DavePHX
03-31-16, 21:55
Challenge to Prostitution Law lost in Federal Court goes to 9th Circuit on appeal.

Sadly, on 3/31/2016 THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA granted the States Motion to Dismiss, thereby upholding the prostitution laws. The case will now be appealed to the 9th Circuit.

Brief Highlights.

1) There is no right to sexual privacy related to prostitution under the Due Process Claim. Lawrence v Texas does not extend gay privacy rights to prostitution.

Prostitution lacks an intimacy association:

"(Prostitution) lasts for a short period and only as long as the client is willing to pay the fee. . . . While we may assume that the relationship between them is cordial and that they share conversation, companionship, and other activities of leisure, we do not believe that a day, an evening, or even a weekend is sufficient time to develop deep attachments or commitments. In fact, the relationship between a client and his or her paid companion may well be the antithesis of the highly personal bonds protected by the fourteenth amendment. ".

Prostitution is illegal as it is rationally related to numerous legitimate government interests. These include a climate of violence against women, potential human trafficking, preserving public health and deterring the commodification of sex.

See, e. G. , Coyote Pub. , Inc. V. Miller, 598 F. 3 d 592,600 (9th Cir. 2010) ("The federal government acknowledges the link between prostitution and trafficking in women and children, a form of modern day slavery. " see also Love v. Superior Court, 226 Cal. App. 3 d 736,742 (1990) (finding that the legislature "identified sexual contact as a primary means of transmitting the AIDS virus and 'prostitutes who pass on the infection to their clients' as a specific group of concern" United States v. Carter, 266 F. 3 d 1089,1091 (9th Cir. 2001) (citations omitted) (holding that "prostitution involved 'a serious potential risk' of contracting a sexually transmitted disease".

2) Prostitution is not freedom of speech and association. Cites many cases showing there is no constitution protection of speech related to illegal activity.

3) Prostitutes do not have a right to earn a living in an illegal activity. A protectable liberty interest in employment arises only "where not affirmatively restricted by reasonable laws or regulations of general application. " Blackburn v. City of Marshall, 42 F. 3 d 925,941 (5th Cir. 1995).

The full 12-page decision and this summary I have at http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18857.

Dave notes:

This is why I enjoy Canada so much, although more for my intimacy interests. Not the raw sex of most escorts which I discuss at lovetouch.info. Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms provides for more individual liberty. Which is why the Supreme Court of Canada struck down the law against incalls, and communication in public. The key issue was harm reduction. Having incalls and public communication illegal resulted in increased potential harm. Outcall prostitution has always been legal.

See-36, however, was then passed by the Conservative Harper Government to outlaw customers. Most police departments have stated they will not go after consenting adults, only cases of real harm (forced) and under aged. My sexworkcanada.com and sexworktoronto.com hasn't been updated since see-36 on legal issues but try and continue to post my trip reports.

DrPoon
04-02-16, 06:18
Challenge to Prostitution Law lost in Federal Court goes to 9th Circuit on appeal.


1) There is no right to sexual privacy related to prostitution under the Due Process Claim. Lawrence v Texas does not extend gay privacy rights to prostitution.

Prostitution lacks an intimacy association:

"(Prostitution) lasts for a short period and only as long as the client is willing to pay the fee. . . . While we may assume that the relationship between them is cordial and that they share conversation, companionship, and other activities of leisure, we do not believe that a day, an evening, or even a weekend is sufficient time to develop deep attachments or commitments. In fact, the relationship between a client and his or her paid companion may well be the antithesis of the highly personal bonds protected by the fourteenth amendment. ".

Prostitution is illegal as it is rationally related to numerous legitimate government interests. These include a climate of violence against women, potential human trafficking, preserving public health and deterring the commodification of sex.

See, e. G. , Coyote Pub. , Inc. V. Miller, 598 F. 3 d 592,600 (9th Cir. 2010) ("The federal government acknowledges the link between prostitution and trafficking in women and children, a form of modern day slavery. " see also Love v. Superior Court, 226 Cal. App. 3 d 736,742 (1990) (finding that the legislature "identified sexual contact as a primary means of transmitting the AIDS virus and 'prostitutes who pass on the infection to their clients' as a specific group of concern" United States v. Carter, 266 F. 3 d 1089,1091 (9th Cir. 2001) (citations omitted) (holding that "prostitution involved 'a serious potential risk' of contracting a sexually transmitted disease".

Too bad there wasn't a 5/5 intimacy scale evidence presented.

Higgs Boson
04-05-16, 00:55
An FYI.

Some of you may remember Candye Kane who did modeling in the '80's but she has spent most of her adult life singing blues and jazz. Over the past few years she has appeared with her band at Phoenix's Rhythm Room at least once or twice a year.

The Rhythm Room is sponsoring a benefit, to help pay medical costs for Candye Kane. See Candye's web site. www.candyekane.com/.

www.rhythmroom.com

April 16,2016. Doors open at 1:30 and the show begins at 2 PM. The event ends at 8 PM and features at least 10 music groups. Tickets at the door for only $10.

If you have never been to the Rhythm Room, it's a great place to hear live music. It's a tiny place, not a bad seat in the house. Full bar, with nice brews on tap. It has traditionally featured blues and related performers but I've been there to hear indie rock and pop performers (Pure Bathing Culture, Chad Valley, Little Green Cars) and singer-songwriters (Steve Forbert). For those wishing to relive another aspect of the 80's, Modern English will be there in May.

Watch for me there. I'll be the subatomic particle.

Higgs.

DavePHX
04-05-16, 06:09
Shortly before 9 pm On April 11,2014, officers conducted a traffic stop on Defendant because his semi-truck did not have a license plate.

Evidence he was attempting to locate a prostitute or soliciting sex prior to the traffic stop. Specifically, evidence that when the officers first observed Defendant's truck, he was illegally parked in front of a homeless shelter asking women to accompany him in his truck. In addition, there was writing on the side of Defendant's truck appearing to solicit prostitution, and offering to pay money on a weekly basis. In addition, the officers found some "sex toys" when they searched Defendant's truck.

Source: No. 1 CA-CR 15-0039. Court of Appeals of Arizona, Division One. March 31,2016.

Jamesj
04-05-16, 10:13
Shortly before 9 pm On April 11,2014, officers conducted a traffic stop on Defendant because his semi-truck did not have a license plate.

Evidence he was attempting to locate a prostitute or soliciting sex prior to the traffic stop. Specifically, evidence that when the officers first observed Defendant's truck, he was illegally parked in front of a homeless shelter asking women to accompany him in his truck. In addition, there was writing on the side of Defendant's truck appearing to solicit prostitution, and offering to pay money on a weekly basis. In addition, the officers found some "sex toys" when they searched Defendant's truck.

Source: No. 1 CA-CR 15-0039. Court of Appeals of Arizona, Division One. March 31,2016.DavePHX,

I totally believe your report.

When I street monger, the 1st thing I do is a safety check of my vehicle.

Make sure all lights (including brakes), blinkers, current plates (registration) proof of Insurance etc.

Do NOT violate ANY traffic laws. (make complete stops, use turn signals when changing lanes, do not speed, etc.).

Do NOT give LE probable cause to stop / pull you over.

How DUMB can anyone be?

An old saying from the Midwest "You can't fix stupid ".

Be safe and happy hunting.

JAMES J.

Higgs Boson
04-05-16, 14:16
How DUMB can anyone be?
An old saying from the Midwest "You can't fix stupid ".
Be safe and happy hunting.Stupid? Maybe, but you have to give the guy points for initiative and identifying a core demographic.

Higgs.

DavePHX
04-10-16, 17:50
On 4/10/2016, Jody Williams, the founder of Sex Workers Anonymous (formerly called Prostitutes Anonymous) whose program was stolen by the money grabbing "rescue industry," posted a very long response to a post I wrote in 2014 about Project Rose and some of Jody's writings. Project Rose was police roundups in Phoenix to take trapped companions to Bethany Bible Church to be rescued. If they refused to play the rescue game, they went to jail. In her long post, she has some good points on the rescue and trafficking industry scam as it operates today.

Brief highlights:

They want everything to be about "trafficking". I've now seen the results of their work in the calls our hotline is receiving lately from these women who have been "saved" under these trafficking programs. They each have the same story. They were put into a Section 8, or low income housing project in a horrible neighborhood that's dangerous. Then loaded down with at least $40,000 in student loans for a degree where they can't find work because of their past. They're in a research project of some kind where the researcher is hitting on them for sex, along with seeing a weekly counselor who also gives them multiple psychiatric prescriptions for antidepressants, mood stabilizers, anti-anxiety medications, etc. The job they were given is either minimum wage, fast food, or some other horrible job no one wants. In other words, the government has become their new pimp. Making money off them through grants, donations, medical insurance, student loans, etc. THAT'S why they worked so hard to get in between us and our members. For the money and the research.

With the new demand to arrest "johns" - SWOP has become a fertile ground for informants. Since Robin died, I'm hearing from more than one person (that) sex workers are being arrested, then turned into informants, and then sent into SWOP to find out as much information as they can on these "johns" so they can use them to get more arrests.

Look around. Every avenue for an "independent" sex worker to operate without going to work for the traffickers is being shut down. Only not by mobsters. By law enforcement. Which is only driving more and more sex workers into the hands of the REAL traffickers! So too the "johns" who don't want to get busted either like we saw with Eliot Spitzer. He wasn't buying an independent sex worker. He went with a Russian woman working for a (cough) modeling agency. Meaning trafficking operation.

See when this trafficking operation went after those fake traffickers in Tennessee. What some people haven't put two and two together yet about is that while they were going after the fakes. They were also leaving the real traffickers alone. But now you see why they also need the "fake" survivors. To pull off their scams against the taxpayers. Which I've also seen all over the country now who haven't been caught yet. Whole counties and their trafficking task forces setting up fake victims in order to go after millions of dollars in grant money, kickbacks, donations, billings, etc.

I have up on http://www.hightechmadam.com the clips of mine that are real.

Dave notes. She originally disagreed with my comment that it seemed she was not against decriminalization since her whole program is AA based it seems as if a disease or similar to Divorce Anonymous as if some recovery was needed. While this may be true for some sexworkers, it seems rare vs. Sexwork by choice.

I replied:

Jody. A lot of good information about the bad situation. I agree with most or all, especially about the rescue industry scam.

What gave me the concern you were not for decrim is if we had a New Zealand style decriminalization there would be little need for any AA type program. I come from the world of sexworkers that ENJOY their work. They do not have a disease, they do not want to be someone's save them project, they do not need any AA or Divorce Anonymous type program they just want to be left alone to practice their chosen work.

Yes, maybe 5% of 10% are forced into sexwork for economic reasons and would not otherwise choose it. At least in private sexwork (not street hookers), they seem to be a small minority. Probably 90% of arrests are of private sexworkers set up with stings, or by more or less entrapment, to build high arrest numbers to justify more grants to go after consenting adult that choose to be sexworkers or clients as their choice as consenting adults.

Most of the arrests especially in Phoenix have nothing to do with any "rescue" but simply to showcase. For example, $millions spent over five years for the 39 arrested in the military like SWAT raid in 2011 of the Phoenix Goddess Temple. Mostly older women seeking to heal men or give them a positive experience based on Tantra and other ancient religious beliefs. They are now felons having taken plea deals after five years in the Court system and a 3-month trial for the leader that could face up to 70 years in prison. These were a happy group of women doing what they believed in and providing a desired service to a large number of men that sought their Tantric healing practices.

Full discussion at http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4028&pid=20116#pid20116.

DavePHX
04-13-16, 04:36
"Adult entertainer" thought she could avoid reporting "gifts".

"At trial, Fxxx explained that in addition to the money that she earned dancing on stage, she also made money off stage in private rooms at the exotic dancing clubs or off the premises. ".

". for money for constructing her home, paying bills, getting breast implants, and paying college tuition. She considered it all a gift. Fxxxx testified that she thanked (folks) for the money gifted her by giving him free private dances. ".

She was convicted on 4 counts since under-reported income for 4 tax years in USA District Court. Sentenced to 33 months on each count but concurrently.

Appealed to the 8th Circuit.

"On appeal, Fxxxx argues that (1) insufficient evidence exists to support the jury's finding that Fxxxx knowingly and willfully underreported her income; (2) the district court abused its discretion in failing to instruct the jury that it was required to unanimously agree on which source of income that Fxxxx failed to report on her income tax return; and (3) the district court improperly calculated Fxxx's Guidelines range and imposed a substantively unreasonable sentence. ".

The jury convicted based on unreported income from individuals, payments for parties and unreported tips at a strip club.

"Fairchild argues that her 33-month sentence is procedurally and substantively unreasonable. First, she asserts that the district court's calculation of the Guidelines range was based on an erroneous calculation of the tax-loss amount and an erroneous finding that Fxxxxx failed to report income from criminal activity. Second, she maintains that her 33-month sentence is substantively unreasonable for failing to account for the effects of past sexual abuse and her status as the sole parent to three young children. ".

The Defendant's own testimony during the trial indicated that she received tips during the time period in question in cash. She admitted that was not reported as income on her income tax returns, and she stated that was just an oversight. ".

The Defendant also objected to the sentence enhancement since the unreported income was over $10,000 a year from illegal income. Prostitution.

In a 26 page decision filed 3/17/2016 the 8th Circuit rejected all of her arguments and upheld the 33-month prison term.

And of course she would have to pay back taxes with large penalties for failure to report.

Source: United States Court of Appeals.

For the Eighth Circuit No. 14-3517.

Dave notes this reminds me of a fight I had with the IRS decades ago when I was a Tax Supervisor for a then "Big 8" CPA firm. Someone suspected of underreporting income was hit with a $1 million IRS Jeopardy assessment that was a lien on all bank accounts and assets and was outrageous. It took a long time to convince the IRS there was no unreported income and get the lien released.

DavePHX
04-14-16, 17:30
Mesa Bust More details and new guy bust.

I was getting some initial information from various folks but the escort in question has contacted me and we had a long discussion about the event. Key points:

She believes that she was not the main target but was adjacent to other arrests at the same hotel. She heard officer say to clear the (other) room thinking more than just one escort at the main sting.

The hotel was the old Dobson Ranch off 1-60 at Dobson which is now a Ramada Inn.

She believes the client was spotted going from car into room while watching or setting up the other sting.

At the end of the session when opened door they were met by 5 police officers.

She wants to point out that the guys that say they would never talk to police, may change their tune if threatened with being handcuffed, arrested and booked into jail. Or, admit you had a prostitution deal and you can go free. In this case the "elderly" regular client felt so bad he is paying her legal fees to try and get a diversion program.

She immediately disconnected her phone which I had confirmed. If the police look at calls on her phone, she jokes that most of their names will be "ignore" from the idiot calls she often gets from BP.

She is not active on P411 although may have some reviews so should be no P411 risk.

Just as I finished this. Get a note from a guy:

"Hi Dave. I got busted for soliciting a prostitute. I contacted her on BP and went to her hotel. I have never been arrested before, so this is all new to me. They have my texts saying I wanted BJ and sex. They have the donation that I brought. ".

Trying to get more details on where etc.

DrPoon
04-15-16, 16:38
Dang I am so glad I found my new Sugarbaby in Mesa. Way better than a provider and BBBJ and BBFS for a 19 year old blonde girl can't be beat and is a better use of my time than taking risks with providers and stings.

Hiloc
04-15-16, 17:38
Dang I am so glad I found my new Sugarbaby in Mesa. Way better than a provider and BBBJ and BBFS for a 19 year old blonde girl can't be beat and is a better use of my time than taking risks with providers and stings.Sounds like you hit the jackpot!

DavePHX
04-16-16, 07:57
For ads on BP: Woman hit with 21 charges of prostitution.

4/9/2016 - NORTH AUGUSTA, S. See. (WNCN) — A North Augusta woman has been arrested on multiple charges of Prostitution.

XXX, age 26, is facing 21 charges of Sex / Prostitution. She is accused of placing ads on Backpage.com offering sex for money on the website.

The ads contained sexually suggestive photos and language such as "real pleasure, appointments, serious generous gentlemen, not. Law enforcement, discreet private location, kinky fun, I'm in North Augusta, upscale entertainment, ready now, generous donations,' as well as other terms and phrases, according to officials.

At least one of the ads contained language of "ready to meet gentlemen, must be white or donations will be higher. ".

According to the arrest report, "Kristen Pxxx did place an advertisement on Backpage.com under the 'escorts' tab for the purpose of procuring or soliciting for the purpose of prostitution".

The ads were accompanied by a phone number confirmed to belong to Perry, according to officials.

The IP address from which the ads were posted was traced back to her residence. A search warrant was executed at her home.

The ads were were reportedly placed in December 2015, as well as January and February of this year, according to authorities.

The cost for her "services" was dependent on how much time the client wanted, according to the report.

Full article at http://wncn.com/2016/04/09/woman-hit-with-21-charges-of-prostitution-just-as-masters-gets-underway/.

DavePHX
04-16-16, 11:21
Update on two Felony cases in Maricopa Superior Court.

(Zillions more I haven't had time to get updates on but here are two older case updates).

The Studio raided in 2013:

The 15 gals indicted all took pleas (mostly felonies) and there is still one who has been indicted but has not yet been found to be arrested. In 2015, cases were separated with an intervening indictment on Wiliam.

William remains in jail on $100,000 bond. He keeps insisting the State keep giving him authorizations for new investigators, and has been through many attorneys.

The trial has been continued from 5/19/2016 to 9/12/2016 and is with Judge Stephens (same as Temple case).

Club Lace raided in 2013:

Latest pleas and remaining defendants status:

Cristina A. (there are two with the same first name) pled to felonies and sentenced to 1-year in prison.

Lola pled to felonies and sentenced to 3- years probation. In early 2016 probation revoked when in violation of Drug Court contract. On 3/28/2016 was ordered to self-surrender and with 1-day in custody with new drug court status hearing on 5/23/2016. Fined $3660 plus costs. Was in jail for 7 days on a probation violation and previously 60 days before plea deal with probation. She had a long history of missed meetings with a probation officer, failed to register new address or pay the $65/ monthly probation fee.

Cristina K. Pled to two felonies and sentenced to 18 months probation.

Stephen, Robert, Adam, and Cary trial now set for 5/12/2016 after many continuances and may be continued out further.

The defense has issued subpoenas for 68 people, including the undercover detectives which the two women are the same as in the Temple case who tried to be hired, many of the police officers at the raid, etc.

Additional charges (money laundering) against Adam, Cary, and Stephen from recorded phone calls to Adam, who was in prison discussing how to get money from Club Lace to Adam.

Adam then released from prison from prior crime raised on 4/1/2016 his $5000 bond for this case for money laundering and released with electronic monitoring. The state had requested $25 k bond. Adam was sentenced to 10.5 years prison for a drive-by shooting in 2007 but got out on early release (85% of the time). He was also convicted of disorderly conduct in 2004.

Cary - 3/23/2016 State motion to exclude self-serving statements made to police that money from Club Lace was not from prostitution. 3/22/2016 filed a motion to depose a detective after repeated attempts to serve so now getting a court order. 3/26/2016 Cary requested to be excused from next hearing due to a work conflict. However, this turned out to be for an SRP Helicopter ride which the judge scolded him for being more important than the pending felony trial. Motion to waive appearance denied.

Original arrest of Stephen & Robert was on 11/13/2013 in a traffic stop with Robert driving after seen leaving Club Lace with a trash bag. Executed a search warrant and bag contained used condoms, lube and a daily activity log from the club.

Lots of probably cause including undercover applying for work and told to bring condoms and sex acts discussed. When she asked about legal risk was told if arrested was only a misdemeanor and would get diversion for a first offense.

On 1/6/2016, State filed requested jury instructions (7 pages) and Voir Dire (Jury questions) of 4 pages.

States Pretrial Statement:

Mandatory sentencing ranges.

Adam: 1 count money laundering with a minimum of 3. 5 years in prison and a maximum of 16.5 years.

Stephen: 4 felony counts (criminal enterprise, control of the criminal enterprise, maintaining house of prostitution and money laundering. Has two prior felony convictions for enhancement of time. On two counts maximum is 16.5 years each, and others 3-5 years each.

Robert: Has 3 prior felonies for enhancements. Same counts as Stephen and penalties.

Cary: 1- count money laundering and since no prior felonies could be probation eligible or up to 8. 75 years in prison.

State lists 13 police officers as States witness (some the same as the Temple and Divas case), 3 of the pled co-defendants and 3 others.

Seeks the usual 12 jurors with 3 alternates. Expected trial 4 weeks. Temple trial took 3-months and jury found Tracy guilty in 2 hours of deliberation on all 22 felony counts.

State Requested Jury Voir Dire:

Personal information.

CSI effect - 4 questions related to scientific evidence, do they watch forensic crime scene television shows, disregard what see on these shows, set aside preexisting expectations and decide the case only on Arizona laws.

Prostitution: (I have shortened the longer questions somewhat.).

Do you have strong feelings on legalization, how serious of a problem is prostitution in Arizona, have you or anyone you know visited backpage or searched any adult website, you or anyone you know been required to pay "cash only" for a service, heard anything about the crime of running a criminal enterprise, and do you know anyone close to you who would look for ways to make quick and easy money?

Other:

Do any of you have any feelings about Bill M. Or the County Attorney's office, have any religious or philosophical beliefs which would make you hesitant to sit in judgment of a fellow human being, do you have any bumper stickers on your car, do you have any strong feelings about the police using a hidden camera or hidden voice recorders in an investigation?

A few others but those are the most interesting.

DrPoon
04-16-16, 14:27
Update on two Felony cases in Maricopa Superior Court.



CSI effect - 4 questions related to scientific evidence, do they watch forensic crime scene television shows, disregard what see on these shows, set aside preexisting expectations and decide the case only on Arizona laws.

Prostitution: (I have shortened the longer questions somewhat.).

Do you have strong feelings on legalization, how serious of a problem is prostitution in Arizona, have you or anyone you know visited backpage or searched any adult website, you or anyone you know been required to pay "cash only" for a service, heard anything about the crime of running a criminal enterprise, and do you know anyone close to you who would look for ways to make quick and easy money?

Scene:

Miami industrial. Flares blocking off traffic and suspects sitting on curb.

CSI Horatio pulls up to a crime scene consisting of a large black garbage bag filled with condoms. Puts on latex gloves and picks one up with a tweezer.

"Looks like. ".

<Puts on sunglasses .

"The come never made it to the dumpster. ".

<opening music and credits .

DrPoon
04-26-16, 06:36
First of all hobbyists should not bring condoms if asked to. This is a tactic used by the government to confirm a prostitution contract. If a provider is legit, she will have condoms and she will not mention that she has condoms over the phone or over text. Watch for such gems as:

-the provider saying she has condoms but if you want a large size to bring your own.

-the conversation initially is going well as you have contracted only for time spent, but then provider casually mentions that during the time she does everything but anal.

-the provider says to bring condoms or to buy something else and bring it to the appointment (this item seals the conviction by preventing the hobbyist arguing he got lost and randomly knocked on the room.

Worse case scenario: you get a BBBJ or you (after doing a security pat down) come back with condoms or stop at Circle K down the street to get a 3 pack.

DavePHX
04-28-16, 22:16
Undercover officer makes 'full-service' appointment after passing verification by a screening site.

The girls were advertised on backpage.com as Thai escorts who wanted to "fulfill their Asian fantasy" at the cost of $250 per hour.

On April 19, a Tempe police officer working undercover responded to the "Thai escort" online advertisement. He had to undergo a background check by a third-party site, as escort services will attempt to weed out the possibility of a police officer being able to secure services.

The officer passed the test and later received a text asking if he would like an appointment. He was offered a nude, sensual massage to be performed by one of the four available women. It was described as a "full-service" appointment, implying sexual intercourse.

The following day, authorities attempted to conduct a sting at one of the apartments, where an officer was greeted by a woman who was wearing sheer lingerie and explained they would have sexual intercourse and oral sex. The officer backed out, paying her $100 for "wasting her time," records state.

Erik and Patcharin have been booked into 4th Avenue Jail in connection with a prostitution operation tied to human smuggling of girls from Thailand.

The two co-managers face multipal felonies with bond of $25,000 and $20,000. (This seems a direct complaint and more charges will probably follow from a formal indictment based on evidence found at the raid. Multiple money laundering, criminal enterprise, trafficking etc.).

A search warrant executed by Tempe police at Erik's rental properties netted more than $20,000 in cash and police found four Thai women. One was injured while attempting to flee; the other three were questioned by police and admitted to being prostitutes for Erik and Patcharin. Patcharin possessed a "large amount of cash" on her person at the time.

According to court paperwork, the case dates back as far as a March 2013 sting operation.

It evolved into an investigation into women "being smuggled out of Thailand and brought into the United States," paying off their debts by performing sex acts for money.

The girls were reportedly promised that they would eventually be granted freedom once they covered the cost of their transfer to the USA.

The investigation started back in 2013 when Patcharin was arrested for prostitution and admitted to Homeland Security that she was involved in a prostitution ring but refused to give details.

At one apartment in the area of Baseline Road and Hardy Drive, investigators observed two men arrive at the apartment at different times and saw them leave about an hour later. One man was seen counting money in his hand while entering the apartment.

"This activity is consistent with a prostitution operation," the court document said.

Both men were identified with call logs from the advertisement's phone number.

In early February, Tempe police followed Eric, who was returning from Sky Harbor International Airport with a woman to one of the rented apartments where Patcharin lived. An advertisement for a new escort appeared soon after.

"During a post-Miranda interview, Erik admitted to co-managing a prostitution operation with Patcharin," detectives wrote in court documents. "He stated he has a 50/50 split of the money with Patcharin. He told detectives Patcharin has the ties to Thailand and helps supply the girls and he 'maintains' them by paying their bills, getting them food, etc. Erik stated he deposits the money into one of five bank accounts he has. He told detectives he has four girls working for him and has approximately 15 over the last year and a half. ".

DrPoon
04-29-16, 05:19
Interesting how they can go from $10 in Thailand to $250 in Tempe.

DavePHX
04-30-16, 00:22
Interesting how they can go from $10 in Thailand to $250 in Tempe.That might be for a street girl, and risk being a ladyboy who are often more beautiful than natural women. For quality with bar fine and take out or one of the agencies or indies more like $2000-$4000 baht for an hour or often 2 minimum, plus short-term hotel or room cost like at Nana Plaza if don't take to your hotel. About $57 USD = 1000 Baht.

But of course usually costs over $1000 just to get there, although hotels cheap in baht. I highly recommend Evergreen Deluxe on Eva air. Great nice seating but only slightly more than coach. Layover a few hours in Taipai. Some of the Asian airline gals are really good looking. Tall, slender forget the airline known for this.

Travel costs and LONG flight not to mention I don't know Thai made me favor Canada vs. BKK and Pattaya.

PhxFunLover
04-30-16, 12:30
That might be for a street girl, and risk being a ladyboy who are often more beautiful than natural women. For quality with bar fine and take out or one of the agencies or indies more like $2000-$4000 baht for an hour or often 2 minimum, plus short-term hotel or room cost like at Nana Plaza if don't take to your hotel. About $57 USD = 1000 Baht.

But of course usually costs over $1000 just to get there, although hotels cheap in baht. I highly recommend Evergreen Deluxe on Eva air. Great nice seating but only slightly more than coach. Layover a few hours in Taipai. Some of the Asian airline gals are really good looking. Tall, slender forget the airline known for this.

Travel costs and LONG flight not to mention I don't know Thai made me favor Canada vs. BKK and Pattaya.In Thailand you never use escort agencies they over charge for the same bar girls you can bar fine. Also, 1000 baht is currently $28.63 the going rates are 1000-2000 baht for bar girls for a few hours total. It is a long flight, but I think its worth a trip once.

Frank Dallas
04-30-16, 22:49
I have run several guided tours to Thailand. Its something every guy should do. For about $400 a day inclusive of airfare and hotel you will have more beautiful girls than you will ever have again in your life. On my last tour, one of my dudes never left his room LOL.

DavePHX
05-01-16, 03:26
In Thailand you never use escort agencies they over charge for the same bar girls you can bar fine. Also, 1000 baht is currently $28.63 the going rates are 1000-2000 baht for bar girls for a few hours total. It is a long flight, but I think its worth a trip once.I stand corrected I was looking up 2000 baht. 1000 baht now $28.61 Friday.

Jamesj
05-01-16, 11:18
Just an FWI, Do not waste credits opening communication with CRISTAL4 (20 YO from Tempe).

She agreed on a. 30 date & I waited till she messaged me. (cost me 10 credits to respond).

Exchanged numbers.

We text back and forth.

ALL she want's to do is meet at an upscale restaurant in the Tempe area for lunch, pay for her meal / drinks and pay her the fee.

Then the BS, "if I like you we would meet again for adult fun ".

Does NOT have a place to host.

I declined and told her I would NOT meet unless adult fun was guaranteed for pre determined fee.

NEVER heard back!

JAMESJ.

DrPoon
05-01-16, 21:36
This is a provider but I thought was a decoy, though, possible FBI agent. Is LE infiltrating WYP??

https://www.whatsyourprice.com/~skyyye18

Jamesj
05-02-16, 01:10
This is a provider but I thought was a decoy, though, possible FBI agent. Is LE infiltrating WYP??

https://www.whatsyourprice.com/~skyyye18Really don't think FBI / LE would try to infiltrate WYP. (at least yet).

What is advertised is perfectly legal. Also a WYP disclaimer "NOT TO EXPECT SEX ON 1ST DATE".

The lady's are all "independent ", no organized crime / trafficking involved.

They all pretty well just want to be UTR and make a few $$.

I have had pretty good results over all.

If they do NOT agree for adult fun before we meet, then NO meeting!

JAMESJ.

PhxFunLover
05-02-16, 20:07
This is a provider but I thought was a decoy, though, possible FBI agent. Is LE infiltrating WYP??

https://www.whatsyourprice.com/~skyyye18That one post occasionally to BP usually car dreams only. Never partook but there are some reviews out there.

DrPoon
05-02-16, 21:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_5mITtYAHQ

DrPoon
05-07-16, 05:44
The government especially in Mesa is arresting hobbyists if they pay for a provider asking for money for a hotel room. This would be pandering if you help a provider buy a hotel room. You must avoid all providers who ask for room money. Also anything you bring should no be brought in that you must never bring anything besides yourself, and only after she has sent a topless pic.

If you put a frog in water and turn up the temperature one degree at a time, you will boil it alive. This is what the government does with stings. Step one is to ask for a face pic. Step two is to get the hobbyist to agree to a prostitution contract via text or voice (recorded line). Step three is to tell you the provider is 16 ("Sorry I forget to mention I am 16, that's ok?" OR "Bring cigarettes, my I'd is not working" OR "bring this that or that or this, etc. ".

The government would scare everyone away if it just went out and told you the decoy was 16 at the beginning so it slowly reels you in until the water if boiling and the frog is dead.

DavePHX
05-10-16, 03:53
Grand Jury indicted on 21 felonies for both owner and his Thai girlfriend after arrest on only six direct complaint charges for each.

This is typical, after the Direct Complaint now supervening additional felony indictments including four felony 2 sex trafficking counts in addition to pandering, receiving earnings of a prostitute, house of prostitution, illegal control of enterprise, conspiracy, etc.

All workers were consenting adults. A search warrant netted more than $20,000 in cash and police found four Thai women. One was injured while attempting to flee (from police); the other three were questioned by police and admitted to being prostitutes for K. And D. (older Thai girlfriend of K.).

They eventually will probably be given a "Donald Advisement" of up to 50-100 years in prison if they do not take a plea.

Arraignment is 5/10. My guess is bond will be set somewhere between 100 K to $1 m, especially for the felony 2 sex trafficking indictments. He has a good private attorney (expensive I bet). A problem may be all assets may have been frozen. At arraignment will probably just plead not guilty and bond will be set.

Woman doesn't have an attorney of record yet and no judge has been assigned.

First Prelim is 6/28/2016.

From watching many cases there will probably be the usual blizzard of motions which are just procedural. Unless they take an early plea, nothing significant will probably happen for 6-12 months and if goes to trial that could take 1-3 years.

DrPoon
05-10-16, 09:44
So one article said it all started with DHS CBP tracking the Asian lady in 2013 and then the guy in February 2015 when he flew into Phoenix, then after he drove to Tempe and a Thai ad appeared for a new Thai girl in the vicinity of his apartment. So, my question is that there are no direct flights from Asia to Phoenix?? What was DHS CBP doing because usually they are only supposed to track people coming in from London and Mexico as these are the limited international flights coming into Phoenix -- and all the Canadian flights clear customs while in the Canadian airport.


Grand Jury indicted on 21 felonies for both owner and his Thai girlfriend after arrest on only six direct complaint charges for each.

This is typical, after the Direct Complaint now supervening additional felony indictments including four felony 2 sex trafficking counts in addition to pandering, receiving earnings of a prostitute, house of prostitution, illegal control of enterprise, conspiracy, etc.

All workers were consenting adults. A search warrant netted more than $20,000 in cash and police found four Thai women. One was injured while attempting to flee (from police); the other three were questioned by police and admitted to being prostitutes for K. And D. (older Thai girlfriend of K.).

They eventually will probably be given a "Donald Advisement" of up to 50-100 years in prison if they do not take a plea.

Arraignment is 5/10. My guess is bond will be set somewhere between 100 K to $1 m, especially for the felony 2 sex trafficking indictments. He has a good private attorney (expensive I bet). A problem may be all assets may have been frozen. At arraignment will probably just plead not guilty and bond will be set.

Woman doesn't have an attorney of record yet and no judge has been assigned.

First Prelim is 6/28/2016.

From watching many cases there will probably be the usual blizzard of motions which are just procedural. Unless they take an early plea, nothing significant will probably happen for 6-12 months and if goes to trial that could take 1-3 years.

DrPoon
05-10-16, 12:20
Young and Tender, used in sting ads but has a history. I have done some research and believe it was a term coined by Too Short a long time ago in his song (though never a chart topper) Don't Fight the Feeling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuMIl86kj4E

Other memorable lines from the song, "I like big butts, not big mouths" and, "you and me equal none". Actually quite a good song, when listened to its entirety.

DavePHX
05-15-16, 05:57
Mass arrest of customer's / based on reviews.

Potentially "thousands" of customer's / review writers to be arrested. The initial arrests are of what LE calls the "Filthy Fifty".

The Filthy Fifty customers were from The Review Board (TRB) based on their reviews. This is the first case I have heard of where reviews led to customer's arrests. The Review Board was taken over by LE in January 2016 with 12 moderators, owners and "League" members arrested.

May 13,2016 - KIRO7 - Reported 50 were arrested for promoting prostitution, a class 2 felony. The video reports they are looking for perhaps thousands more customers to charge, so there will be more arrests, KIRO7 reports.

Six arrested are from Seattle's elite business community. They include a Microsoft Director of Worldwide Health and a former director of Amazon who led their FireTV who was known on the board as "Captain America".

KIRO7 reports police are calling them part of the "Fifthly Fifty," since they were customers of the women "rescued" from the sex trafficking ring of TRB. Using the names "Appy" and "Jaytee," investigators said (Microsoft director) submitted over 70 reviews of prostitutes he had allegedly hired since April 2012. The Amazon director was tied to 29 reviews.

The elite six of the fifty arrested so far include:

Owner of a business that provides technology for public safety and the military who used the name "ItsMe" in reviews.

A Boeing engineer using the aliases "BrokenBoy08" and "Mike Chen".

A dentist who used "PeteLeu" and a manager of a golf supply store known as "Spencer Street. ".

All six are scheduled to be back in court next month. They all pleaded not guilty and are free on bail, which was set at $75,000 for each.

The sex workers operated out of high-end apartments in Bellevue and were the victims of sex trafficking, according to King County Prosecutor Dan S.

"These defendants, we allege, were absolutely devoted to the commercial sexual exploitation of vulnerable, powerless immigrant women," (King Cty Prosecutor) said shortly after the initial arrests in January.

Police said the women were forced into prostitution to pay off debts to organized crime bosses in Asia. The women will NOT be charged with any crime. But now their alleged johns are.

Dave notes, the site was very respected and well known for reviews in the Seattle area and it appears all the victims while here illegally, were consenting adults without any coercion.

From the January press conference:

The 12 South Korean women in law-enforcement custody will be offered an unspecified form of "help," officials said at the press conference. They may be able to avoid deportation by applying for special victims' visas if they were subject to human trafficking.

"Veronica", a sexworker that was involved in TRB since inception said at broadly. vice.com that "the site was a cut above the "adult" listings on backpage.com and other escort sites, as it was more carefully moderated and served as a community forum for sex workers and clients. "It was really a wonderful thing that kept everyone safe," she said. "Girls would be in touch with each other. A lot of people used it as a reference system—have you seen this person and are they safe?—for both sex workers and clients. ".

But at some point, that resource became polluted. "Around four years ago is when all the K-girl stuff (separate site of Korean women) started happening," Veronica said. "Before that, it was almost all independent providers. We spoke on our own behalf, we wrote our own ads, we had our own websites, we decided who we were going to see. And then four years ago, these establishments started showing up. It was sitting funny with everybody. ".

Certain members of the website, she said, were more obviously enthusiastic about the so-called K-girls than others. "Woodstock organized a lot of the social functions," Veronica said, referring to one man's username. "Sixties, retired. " In the police report it says He posted a review saying, "I finally saw my first K-girl," and "I would definitely recommend her and plan to see her again. " (Dave notes this may be enough for "promoting prostitution" in many States including Arizona).

The owner of one of the apartments from the initial raid was charged with sex trafficking since he rented to a prostitute and received $100 from the $300 hourly fee to customers.

DrPoon
05-15-16, 07:10
There is a link to the indictment but I don't know if we can post it without redacting the names.

You can post links to news stories from regular news sites (that means they report on more than just who got busted) or you can copy in the article and XXXXX out the names.

If you post the link to the news article put it into the News and Media thread.

A2

DrPoon
05-15-16, 09:07
Dang I am glad I was never on those stupid Seattle boards like TNA and TRB, etc.

Head Banger
05-16-16, 16:24
That's crazy, those dudes got arrested for leaving reviews?

Were they just sloppy and making it easy for LEO to trace their path and postings from their phones?

I always delete my browser history from my phone, is that even enough anymore?

StoneCutter314
05-16-16, 21:53
Long time lurker here but I realize positive change can not happen until the conversation takes place.

I can't help but think how difficult this "SHOULD" be to prosecute in court.

There is simply no way to know what happens behind closed doors.

Just because there is a review, doesn't mean that is what in fact occurred. Could be a fake review just to get "premium" access. Could just be a story for the sake of erotic story telling, etc.

Even if there was messages with $ in exchange for services, know one knows if they followed through or changed their minds and just played board games all night. (Of course they would simply charge for the offering of $ for services).


That's crazy, those dudes got arrested for leaving reviews?

Were they just sloppy and making it easy for LEO to trace their path and postings from their phones?

I always delete my browser history from my phone, is that even enough anymore?

DrPoon
05-16-16, 22:59
According to the indictment, the government took over the servers of the Asian criminal enterprise and found all the hobbyist emails. The hobbyist emails listed their real names, work occupation, and drivers license numbers which is common even for criminal enterprises in Arizona to collect. To take it a step further, the government subpoenaed the emails which emailed the criminal enterprise. That would make an email service which did not have servers in the USA more valuable.


That's crazy, those dudes got arrested for leaving reviews?

Were they just sloppy and making it easy for LEO to trace their path and postings from their phones?

I always delete my browser history from my phone, is that even enough anymore?

Admin2
05-17-16, 01:12
That's crazy, those dudes got arrested for leaving reviews?

Were they just sloppy and making it easy for LEO to trace their path and postings from their phones?

I always delete my browser history from my phone, is that even enough anymore?There is absolutely no way you can get convicted for writing a review. Any first year law student could get that kicked.

I guess they could get an indictment, fuck you can get indicted for anything, if they caught you in the process of writing it with your phone open but even then, unless they can put you there then no. Literally all you have to say is that you enjoy writing porn.

Don't know where this is coming from but it's simply not possible.

A2

PoonHound602
05-17-16, 01:28
That's crazy, those dudes got arrested for leaving reviews?

Were they just sloppy and making it easy for LEO to trace their path and postings from their phones?

I always delete my browser history from my phone, is that even enough anymore?I can't tell if you're actually being serious with this or not, but deleting browsing history is how you keep from getting busted by your wife. Not the cops.

Unless you're using a proxy (or two, or three) it's safe to assume your traffic can be traced back to the originating device. If it's a home network, that means they'll get back to your home, but at least they won't know which device actually posted (plus WiFi gets compromised regularly). The police will still be knocking on your door, possibly with a warrant, and it's likely they've already surveilled you enough to see you meet with providers, so your life is probably screwed. If it's a phone, well, you're even more screwed. Especially when your carrier shows incoming and outgoing texts to your wife and kids immediately before and after the posts. And no, none of this info comes from your actual device, it's all obtained through your carrier. Don't think they won't call your most frequent called or texted numbers, ask who they communicate with on that number, and then explain that you frequent providers and are one step away from being the city's biggest pimp with your online posts.

If you're going to use a phone (calls, texts, data), use a burner, ONLY use it for the hobby, and turn it off when it's not in use. Don't pay with a credit card and hold it for at least a month to make sure the video of you buying it is gone (same for minute cards). Or, just roll the dice and pray you're not successful enough to be worth the hit piece in the newspaper. Better yet: don't post reviews, or at least reviews that detail the fact money was exchanged for sex. "Donation," acronyms, and money expressed as. 5 or $$ are lame attempts at circumventing the obvious.

Take some advice from Jerry, George, and Elaine:

https://youtu.be/O6kRqnfsBEc

PoonHound602
05-17-16, 01:47
There is absolutely no way you can get convicted for writing a review. Any first year law student could get that kicked.

I guess they could get an indictment, fuck you can get indicted for anything, if they caught you in the process of writing it with your phone open but even then, unless they can put you there then no. Literally all you have to say is that you enjoy writing porn.

Don't know where this is coming from but it's simply not possible.

A2Ask the Microsoft and Amazon guy what an indictment has done to their lives. These guys were both making well into the 7 figure range (if not more) and are ruined. It doesn't matter if the 1 L gets it tossed or not because the damage has already been done. The last thing these guys want to do is go through a trial where all of their dirty laundry gets exposed, so they'll quietly take a plea and have it all go away with a fine. The same crap happens here with the "underage" stings. There are some serious legal issues surrounding many of those cases, but when a guy is risking a felony conviction, DCAC sentencing guidelines, and sex offender registration, the plea for a misdemeanor with a fine is really the only solution that makes sense. Guilty or otherwise doesn't matter at that point.

Have you read the Washington law? It literally says you're guilty of promoting prostitution if you "advance prostitution. " Tell me that can't be interpreted in a million different ways, which gives the prosecution a million different paths to victory. I personally think your 1 L would get destroyed at trial, and I definitely wouldn't want to be the one sitting at that table as it unfolds.

DrPoon
05-17-16, 02:22
For the Silk Road case, the FBI did catch the defendant with his computer logged on to his DredPirate account, which was the administrator of the Silk Road. For the 911 Operated mentioned by Dave, the 911 Operator admitted to writing the reviews. Thus no computer forensics was necessary.


There is absolutely no way you can get convicted for writing a review. Any first year law student could get that kicked.

I guess they could get an indictment, fuck you can get indicted for anything, if they caught you in the process of writing it with your phone open but even then, unless they can put you there then no. Literally all you have to say is that you enjoy writing porn.

Don't know where this is coming from but it's simply not possible.

A2

PhxFunLover
05-17-16, 04:06
According to the indictment, the government took over the servers of the Asian criminal enterprise and found all the hobbyist emails. The hobbyist emails listed their real names, work occupation, and drivers license numbers which is common even for criminal enterprises in Arizona to collect. To take it a step further, the government subpoenaed the emails which emailed the criminal enterprise. That would make an email service which did not have servers in the USA more valuable.And that's why as amazing as some of the agencies' women sound I won't use them. At least not in the US.

DavePHX
05-17-16, 04:41
And that's why as amazing as some of the agencies' women sound I won't use them. At least not in the US.This is why independents are safer for the customer as long as LE hasn't arrested the gal and taken over her account to sting customers as has happened in Phoenix area.

In Phoenix, the big busts are equal opportunity mostly not foreign women. Desert Diva's with 100 arrests and customer records made public years ago, and more recently The Studio, AZ Confidential, European Health Club. The 3 massage places in and Phx / Scottsdale, Phoenix Goddess Temple military swat raid 33 arrested etc. More recently Asian massage places in Mesa, Thai agency etc. But most busts have not been related to foreign women and for the most part, the foreign women were here legally.

I still have a pile of about 100 cases in Maricopa Superior Court I haven't had time to follow up on. I keep looking for an case that goes to a jury with a winning strategy. In more than a decade I have never seen a case won although 90%+ are just plea dealed for probation and treated as convictions.

I have read some really good defense motions and briefs, especially in the Temple case and the under age entrapment defense. A great motion for outragious conduct by LE, but failed to help the defendant.

The ESERP case heading for the 9th Circuit is are only real hope at this point. Other than of course simply not breaking the law by never offerring money for sex, don't promote it in reviews or in e-mails. The scary thing about the Seattle current case is just saying had a great time you should go see her is being used for felony promotion of prostitution.

I have looked up using the real names from media of defendants in the King County ECR record system but I don't find anything available yet. This will be an interesting case to follow, but it may be a year or more before anything significant happens.

DrPoon
05-17-16, 09:38
You forget the government has the Asian witnesses it offered immunity in exchange for their testimony. At this point since the government basically controls the Asian women by giving them either citizenship or green cards, it can get them to say anything against the hobbyists.


Long time lurker here but I realize positive change can not happen until the conversation takes place.

I can't help but think how difficult this "SHOULD" be to prosecute in court.

There is simply no way to know what happens behind closed doors.

Just because there is a review, doesn't mean that is what in fact occurred. Could be a fake review just to get "premium" access. Could just be a story for the sake of erotic story telling, etc.

Even if there was messages with $ in exchange for services, know one knows if they followed through or changed their minds and just played board games all night. (Of course they would simply charge for the offering of $ for services).

DrPoon
05-17-16, 09:39
You forget the government has the Asian witnesses it offered immunity in exchange for their testimony. At this point since the government basically controls the Asian women by giving them either citizenship or green cards, it can get them to say anything against the hobbyists.

Also of note is that the government has a history of itself writing fake reviews. So then isn't the government promoting prostitution as well?


Long time lurker here but I realize positive change can not happen until the conversation takes place.

I can't help but think how difficult this "SHOULD" be to prosecute in court.

There is simply no way to know what happens behind closed doors.

Just because there is a review, doesn't mean that is what in fact occurred. Could be a fake review just to get "premium" access. Could just be a story for the sake of erotic story telling, etc.

Even if there was messages with $ in exchange for services, know one knows if they followed through or changed their minds and just played board games all night. (Of course they would simply charge for the offering of $ for services).

Head Banger
05-17-16, 12:48
Poonhound, the thing you said about the Microsoft and Amazon guys resonate pretty strongly. I suspect those guys left themselves open for trouble by getting too involved with these girls lives. A lot of "well meaning" guys have beautiful women asking for their help because the girl can't survive. It's a shame these girls have turned on those guys, but I am sure they are very afraid of LEO and ice and doing what they think they have to do. Some girls have been busted and not gotten their friends in trouble to where they got deported for their silence; but you really never know who you can trust until it's too late.

DavePHX
05-18-16, 01:21
Proposal to require I'd for all prepaid / burner phones.

It was referred to the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations on 04/28/2016.

"Summary: H. Are. 4886 — 114th Congress (2015-2016).

Closing the Pre-Paid Mobile Device Security Gap Act of 2016.

This bill requires authorized resellers of pre-paid mobile devices or SIM cards to require purchasers to provide their name, home address, and date of birth.

For in-person sales, an authorized reseller must require purchasers to display for verification: (1) a government-issued photographic identification card or a document acceptable under the Immigration and Nationality Act for employment authorization or establishing identity; and (2) any two of a Form W-2 Wage and Tax Statement from the Internal Revenue Service, a Form 1099 Social Security Benefit Statement or a Form 1099 from another federal agency, or a document containing personal identifying information that the Department of Justice (DOJ) finds to be acceptable. For all other sales, an authorized reseller must require purchasers to submit their: (1) credit or debit card account information, (2) Social Security number, (3) driver's license number, and (4) any personal identifying information that DOJ finds to be necessary.

Authorized resellers must make a record of their sales that includes: (1) the information obtained from purchasers to verify their identity; (2) the date of sale; (3) the manufacturer and the wireless carrier of the device or SIM card; (4) any assigned telephone number or other identifier of the subscriber or account; and (5) if applicable, the international mobile equipment identifier number, electronic serial number, mobile equipment identifier, international mobile subscriber identifier, and machine address code. Within 30 days after a sale, an authorized reseller must transmit such record to the wireless carrier for the device or SIM card.

Purchasers are subject to criminal penalties for providing false or misleading identifying information or documents. A civil penalty is established for authorized resellers or wireless carriers who fail to comply with this Act.

The bill also prohibits and establishes criminal penalties for the sale of a pre-paid mobile device or SIM card by a person who is not an authorized reseller.

DrPoon
05-18-16, 05:22
There was a Desert Divas review writing hobbyist who was prosecuted for a felony writing a review but he was eventually cleared (even after pleading guilty) which is rare. It could be that Arizona law does not allow review writers to be prosecuted which would be different that Washington law.

From article: "Now, nearly four years later, F is fighting to gain back his reputation. He said he was pressured into pleading guilty in April 2009 to a felony attempted-pandering charge, but the conviction was vacated after his attorney successfully argued he was grossly overcharged. F admits he paid for sex and wrote reviews about escorts online, but denies running the prostitution business in any way. ".

AZMusicMan
05-20-16, 01:36
TEMPE, AZ. After a 10 month investigation, Tempe police have cracked down on a human sex trafficking ring at a massage parlor.

According to the Tempe Police Department, owners of the "Amazing Spa" located near Rural and Guadalupe roads would prostitute young girls from Korea and China.

The girls would work, on average, about 15 hours a day, seven days a week where money would be exchanged for sexual acts. The girls would then turn over the money to Angela Chan and Kyoung Song, who ran the sex ring.

Officials say a lot of cash would be exchanged at the business as it was a highly visited location.

Police say the sex ring was advertised online. Men from all over the Valley would visit the parlor and pay for sex. Police say many of the customers have been identified, and more will be identified as the investigation continues to unfold.

Tempe police along with the Arizona Attorney General are still investigating the case.

DavePHX
05-24-16, 16:39
Another bust based on ads only.

NORTH AUGUSTA, S. C. (WRDW / WAGT) -- A North Augusta woman is facing 21 prostitution charges after Aiken County investigators say she posted an ad on Backpage.com.

According to warrants, Kristen xxxxx, is accused of posting advertisements on Backpage.com's escort tab "for the purpose of procuring or soliciting for the purpose of prostitution. " The ads contained phone numbers and email addresses that investigators say belong to Perry.

More details from http://www.aikenstandard.com/article/20160408/AIK0102/160409522.

Deputies arrived at xxxxxx / s home Feb. 22 after the agency received information Perry might be running a prostitution ring inside of her home, according to an Aiken County Sheriff's Office incident report.

The report said the incidents occurred between January 2015 and Feb. 21,2016.

Perry told officers she had heard rumors that she was running a prostitution ring, but stated she was not involved in any illegal activity, the report said.

Investigators searched xxxx's home but found nothing, the report said.

Police continued to investigate and discovered in January 2016 she started placing multiple ads on a website for procuring or soliciting prostitution under the "escorts" tab, according to an arrest warrant.

Investigators found these ads had been created under the suspect's IP address, the warrant states.

More details from News Channel 6 WJBF.

The ads also contained sexually suggestive photos and language such as "real pleasure, appointments, serious generous gentlemen, not. Law enforcement, discreet private location, kinky fun, I'm in North Augusta, upscale entertainment, ready now, generous donations", as well as other terms and phrases.

The cost for her "services" was dependent on how much time the client wanted, according to the report. At least one of the ads contained language of "ready to meet gentlemen, must be white or donations will be higher".

Reader comments:

So she got arrested for ads? Not caught in the act?

Yes, at least that's what WJBF is reporting.

Danimal Forth
05-25-16, 09:30
Another bust based on ads only.Wouldn't a "ring" usually be more than one person? That word is all over the story. Probably just bad reporting. The 21 counts appear to just be the ads.

Higgs Boson
05-25-16, 22:14
Wouldn't a "ring" usually be more than one person? That word is all over the story. Probably just bad reporting. The 21 counts appear to just be the ads.Prosecutors probably consider each ad to be one count.

Also, as in racketeering prosecutions, the "ring" at a minimum is probably the individual plus the organization, plus any other association that can be cooked up.

Higgs.

JChoi
05-25-16, 23:20
Prosecutors probably consider each ad to be one count.

Also, as in racketeering prosecutions, the "ring" at a minimum is probably the individual plus the organization, plus any other association that can be cooked up.

Higgs.They are trying to identify more of the customers so if any of y'all visited this establishment recently, lay low for awhile. Be easy fellas.

DavePHX
05-26-16, 07:28
This is silly but in Alaska there is now a well-reviewed sexworker in jail for sex trafficking. Herself.

In Arizona its not a "ring" but a criminal enterprise that is the charge if more than 1 person. Such as a boyfriend helping with the phone or driver. But usually its an agency or more recently massage parlors. The husband / boyfriend may also be charged with pimping like if they share a joint bank account.

I see ads as evidence all the time. On the overheads in Court in the Temple trial for example. But ads would only be minor solicitation charges vs the more serious criminal enterprise felonies. Further, money laundering is a class 2 felony vs criminal enterprise lower, as I recall. That is why "Donald Advisements" by the judges of decades of prison using any records that show money transactions. The presumptive term for money laundering is 5 years on each count. In the Temple case, for example, they traced a bunch of donations from seekers put in the whatever they called the holy money thing, and had many counts. Fortunately, the sentence when read off at sentencing for each count were run concurrently with slight mitigation was 4. 5 years on one of the money laundering counts (the most serious). The minimum under AZ sentencing was 3 years as I recall.

When the judge rattle off sentences (after 2 hours of a sermon from Tracy. Which was good), I was furiously trying to write down all the counts and years in prison, but Judge was talking too fast so tried to keep in my head. Another gal (Mary) and I compared notes and we gave up or lost track after we both got 40 years.

I then joined the gaggle of reporters with the prosecutors and would up with concurrent on all counts and 4. 5 years which the media PIO officer quicky put out also since the judge was not clear.

In more serious cases like the guy that almost killed many companions that I worked with Scottsdale PD and victims came forward had consecutive terms for each assault etc count and would up with over 100 years in prison. Once I talked to the head of Scottsdale sex crimes unit they came forward, were very well treated by PD. Although one had threats made by one of his buddies when she went to CA. PD offered her police protection but she declined but was very scared. That is just an example of a consecutive sentence for more serious crimes. She and a few others were brave and testified at trial that sent him to 100+ years in prison.

DavePHX
05-26-16, 07:38
BTW the Temple case was basically all about whether a donation as a person leaves the Temple was a "fee arrangement" as required under the Arizona prostitution law.

Sometimes nothing was left and there was no "black list" or chasing after them. There was no agreement of an amount before the session.

Dennis Hof (famous NV brothel owner) testified this was no way to run a brothel without an agreement and payment up front in his about half a day of testimony and at a pretrial evidentiary hearing a year or so ago.

But after 5 years since the military swat raid on the Temple and after a trial that lasted over a 3-month period in less than 2 hours the jury found her guilty or running a prostitution enterprise, the related money laundering etc charges - 22 counts in total. All based on the donations being a fee arrangement which will be appealed.

All the other 39 indicted had taken plea agreements. Although none of them really believed they were guilty of anything but just needed to get on with life and threatened with decades in prison to plea deals for probation. Some were lied to by telling them they were guilty of association with the criminal enterprise because the School of One that Tracy formed wasn't properly registered with the State. Of course this is no basis for anything illegal just a late registration fee.

DavePHX
05-26-16, 08:17
FBI can Hack Foreign Servers for evidence!

The Supreme Court Expands FBI Hacking Powers.

Ruled that federal judges can issue warrants to target foregin computers in their revision of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.

The Supreme Court's changes automatically go into effect on December 1 unless Congress votes to override them. Such a feat may be difficult this year as normal legislative business slows ahead of November's elections.

The changes come in the wake of a high-profile showdown over encryption between Apple and the Justice Department in February.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-supreme-court-expands-fbi-hacking-powers/ar-BBspTwx?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U146FDHP

And.

Supreme court grants FBI massive expansion of powers to hack computers.

The issue flared up when two judges struck down search warrants for suspected users of child sex abuse websites. The FBI had taken over the website in an attempt to trap users and eventually searched hundreds of computers after a federal magistrate in Virginia issued a warrant to hack all visitors to the website.

The government reasoned this was permissible, in part, because visitors to the site were trying to conceal their location by using the Tor browser, which can help anonymize internet users. In this case, the FBI had found a way to hack the service to unmask visitors to the sex abuse website.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-grants-fbi-massive-expansion-of-powers-to-hack-computers/ar-BBssovn?li=BBnb7Kz

Sencit
05-26-16, 13:24
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/i-am-a-priestess-i-am-not-a-prostitute-sex-priestess-sentenced-to-four-years

DrPoon
05-27-16, 06:00
I suspect the FBI hacked my phone to put my gps in helicopter mode instead of car mode. Really had me stumped at the side of the road for a while but luckily I put it back now I am getting directions again.


FBI can Hack Foreign Servers for evidence!

The Supreme Court Expands FBI Hacking Powers.

Ruled that federal judges can issue warrants to target foregin computers in their revision of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.

The Supreme Court's changes automatically go into effect on December 1 unless Congress votes to override them. Such a feat may be difficult this year as normal legislative business slows ahead of November's elections.

The changes come in the wake of a high-profile showdown over encryption between Apple and the Justice Department in February.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-supreme-court-expands-fbi-hacking-powers/ar-BBspTwx?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U146FDHP

And.

Supreme court grants FBI massive expansion of powers to hack computers.

The issue flared up when two judges struck down search warrants for suspected users of child sex abuse websites. The FBI had taken over the website in an attempt to trap users and eventually searched hundreds of computers after a federal magistrate in Virginia issued a warrant to hack all visitors to the website.

The government reasoned this was permissible, in part, because visitors to the site were trying to conceal their location by using the Tor browser, which can help anonymize internet users. In this case, the FBI had found a way to hack the service to unmask visitors to the sex abuse website.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-grants-fbi-massive-expansion-of-powers-to-hack-computers/ar-BBssovn?li=BBnb7Kz

DrPoon
05-27-16, 06:05
Just a point of information poon clubs in Germany accept the fee payment after the session. The provider usually comes to your locker and get the euros afterwards. But be advised sometimes they don't have change so bring 5's so you can get the CIM upgrade for 25 euros more. You only live once.


BTW the Temple case was basically all about whether a donation as a person leaves the Temple was a "fee arrangement" as required under the Arizona prostitution law.

Sometimes nothing was left and there was no "black list" or chasing after them. There was no agreement of an amount before the session.

Dennis Hof (famous NV brothel owner) testified this was no way to run a brothel without an agreement and payment up front in his about half a day of testimony and at a pretrial evidentiary hearing a year or so ago.

But after 5 years since the military swat raid on the Temple and after a trial that lasted over a 3-month period in less than 2 hours the jury found her guilty or running a prostitution enterprise, the related money laundering etc charges - 22 counts in total. All based on the donations being a fee arrangement which will be appealed.

All the other 39 indicted had taken plea agreements. Although none of them really believed they were guilty of anything but just needed to get on with life and threatened with decades in prison to plea deals for probation. Some were lied to by telling them they were guilty of association with the criminal enterprise because the School of One that Tracy formed wasn't properly registered with the State. Of course this is no basis for anything illegal just a late registration fee.

PoonHound602
05-27-16, 23:45
I suspect the FBI hacked my phone to put my gps in helicopter mode instead of car mode. Really had me stumped at the side of the road for a while but luckily I put it back now I am getting directions again.You sure do remind me of someone from another board.

DavePHX
05-29-16, 05:11
I recently got into a discussion of why some of us enjoy massage so much related to hormones.

My favorite activity is the nude-reverse (NR) massage parlors of Mississauga. NR is on the public website menus of zillions of adult massage parlors, thanks to Ms. Hazel, who for decades as mayor into her 90's. I wish in the USA We would adopt the harm reduction model of Canada vs. The legal status resulting in going after consenting adults which increases the potential for harm.

My favorite adult activity is massage, giving as well as receiving with an attractive naked woman experienced in sensuality (not just sex), and the positive reaction I usually get. I also enjoy contact lap dances at strip clubs (especially in Canada) and the often positive response to caring touch. I've been trained in Esalen, taught couples classes, and have a 10-minute routine for the nude-reverse parlors, which I call more caring, heartful loving touch. Very nicely sensual but not directly sexual (no penetration).

There is a scientific reason we enjoy caring touch done by someone we trust. The trust is usually established quickly by the right kind of touch. Not groping and grabbing as I am told lots of men do.

Dogs (bow wow kind).

While I prefer an attractive woman, it is the same principle why therapy dogs are becoming popular or why we enjoy petting a dog or cat.

Dogs have been used to help stress in long lines at airports and recently been allowed to sit next to children testifying about sexual abuse. When the dog senses stress (cortisol hormone), it nudges the person, and the dog wants to be petted. It has been shown that the petting then releases oxytocin in the human. Most dogs like petting. Most women or men, like to be lovingly massaged or caressed. Cuddling with an adult companion is also one of my favorite sports and legal even in the USA.

While human contact with a woman (for us straight men) is far nicer for most of us than a dog, the science is similar. It generates the calming feel-good hormone oxytocin which adds to the enjoyment of "sensuality. ".

In stress situations, a therapy dog has very sensitive smell for human cortisol which is the stress hormone when we are under stress. Dogs can also detect low blood sugar levels in diabetics and often have warned their humans to wake up or amazing other things, even detecting cancer in some patients and even if not trained can act alarmingly. Pawing - on a part of the body that has cancer growing.

In stress situations (waiting long lines at an airport or testifying in court about sexual abuse, for example), oxytocin counteracts the cortisol. But even without stress, it can be released as in nice massage or just when petting a dog or cat.

Medically, the peptide hormone oxytocin is produced in the hypothalamus and released into the circulatory system and the brain in response to sensory stimulation via a network of OT-containing nerves.

DrPoon
05-29-16, 06:19
Lines are not required at airports. First only use one bag and never more than one bag. Never check any bags and just use carry ons!! Get aisle seats close to the front. Check in online and print boarding pass online. Fly at night mainly and less hassle and crowds.

Get TSA Precheck. Can keep shoes on and a hooded sweatjacket.

Get an ANA mileage membership card, it is not an elite card but it is silver colored and confuses agents to think you can enter the elite line in foreign airports without TSA.


I recently got into a discussion of why some of us enjoy massage so much related to hormones.



Dogs have been used to help stress in long lines at airports ..
.

DavePHX
05-29-16, 10:00
Lies, and More Lies by Phoenix LE to Falsely Arrest "Freeway Shooter" Exposed similar to plea deals in Temple prostitution case. The same tactics are probably used in the many prostitution felony cases now in Superior Court.

We know from the Temple case the prosecutors often lied to scare women into plea deals. In one case the "criminal enterprise" reason was because the School of One Corporation wasn't yet properly registered with the State. Of course, this is not at all criminal but would just pay a late filing fee. I have even been late filing annual corporate notice (they don't send notices for renewals) The fee is about $40, as I recall.

For an hour on the Dr. Phil show, tapes of police interrogations of both the alleged shooter and his girlfriend were played. Clearly LE lied to them and tried every trick possible to get them to say something about the other. But they were consistent in their statements, never waived. Later it was clearly shown he could not have done it, and the LE lies were later confirmed as lies.

It turned out it was impossible for him to have been the shooter, the ballistics to his gun were debunked by an expert, and during some of the shootings that were proven to be from the same gun, his gun was in a pawn shop. At another freeway shooting, he was charged for; it was proven he was on a cellphone from Glendale calling his mother. He was a long way from the shooting as proven by phone records, his mother, and girlfriend.

He was told his girlfriend said he did it (total lie), and many other examples of LE lies exposed.

He was in solitary confinement for 222 days before the State dropped the case since he could not afford bail. He never asked for an attorney until a day or so later since he knew he was innocent and thought if he just told the truth he would be home soon.

Then somehow via his father Jason xxxx (who was an attorney for two Temple defendants) who seems always to get publicity in high-profile cases was hired. Attorney xxxxxx was on Dr. Phil towards the end. Of course, Lamm may eventually get a high legal fee, taking a cut in the planned $10 million lawsuit against the State. A Notice of Claim has been filed.

Dr. Phil was very good laying out the facts and exposing the lies including the interrogation tapes that were played.

DavePHX
05-29-16, 19:25
Decriminalization Is the Only Feminist, Humane Response to Prostitution, Says Human-Rights Group Amnesty International.

Group calls on governments worldwide to stop the criminalization of sex work. Highlights.

Some code won't allow this to post so I just refer to article on my site:

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18878

DavePHX
05-29-16, 19:27
My Hunt for Hard Times with Viagra Generics.

I did an extensive research report based on reviews of ED (Erectile Dysfunction) experiences and products on two boards with prostate surgery patients sharing what works, the scams and what doesn't work and the risks of fake generic Viagra.

I discuss the various sources good and bad and the USA Laws which the drug industry lobbied for to prevent the importation of cheaper drugs from Canada or other countries.

Complete report at.

http://phxlist.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=18879

DrPoon
05-30-16, 00:28
Have you checked the prices at Costco pharmacy to compare them to the mail order Canadian pharmacies. You can get prescriptions there without a membership. Or instead of mail order Canadian pharmacies you can just bring a 90 day supply back in person that way you can make sure it doesn't get lost in the shipping process.

Also another good thing you can exchange your car battery every 2 years and 364 days and each time they start your 3 year free replacement warranty over. So basically you get a lifetime battery.

DavePHX
05-31-16, 03:19
Have you checked the prices at Costco pharmacy to compare them to the mail order Canadian pharmacies..I doubt if Costco can match the $3. 30 for 100 mg generic I get from a highly reviewed product from a specific Canadian site. No one got it lost in the mail from the zillions of reviews on a prostate cancer board. I got my 30 tabs in about two weeks. Have to fax Rx and drivers license but no big deal.

I got an e-mail report that says he got a price quote from Walmart for about $47 for 50 mg pill!

DavePHX
05-31-16, 03:20
Escort dawn who tried sugarbaby says:

I've tried the sugardaddy route and honestly, most of them just seem like they want to monopolize you and your time. Not for me. Now I can see as few or as many clients as I want to make more money and I probably have less sex actually. And I get to have sex with more varied partners. Like if you have a sugardaddy who's really shit at sex. Then what? Just stick it out? What if he's taking up too much of your time and not giving you enough money to cover your needs? You're supposed to keep feignng that you're doing it for his company (therefore differentiating yourself from common heuxs like me)? The whole thing is too fuzzy-lined for a practical woman like me. (Dave note has to look up what a heuxs is. Fancy word for Hoe or "side chick".

The whole sugardaddy / sugarbaby thing is not at all different from prostitution. Anyone who is trying to tell themselves that it's not sex work is delusional. It's basically sex work with more ambiguous boundaries.

Very active man says:

Personally I would rather pay out less money to more women for sex. If I want more than sex then I would do (the) dating game. But honestly not really interested in paying a sugar baby to take a trip with me.

But dawn has some good points. I think good negotiations would mitigate someone who is taking up too much time or not paying accordingly. Also a trial period would help a person decide if they could do it for longer. Anyway great to hear from someone who has experienced it.

Dave note this is from Canada where there are no real legal issues regarding consenting private adults vs. The USA.

DavePHX
05-31-16, 03:21
From ABC15 News 5/30/2016.

Teams calling themselves an army to fight prostitution on the streets of Phoenix. Led by ex-prostitutes who were sexually abused as children and forced into prostitution. They have a "victory house" set up to house 11 "rescues. " "former women of the night now becoming the women of self-respect. ".

160 women have joined (not sure what that means) and 20 have been "saved" But beds and shelters are filling up fast so if you would like to help.

12 News headline: Operation Code Red' kicks off in the Valley.

Shows the March of hundreds of women on Van Buren to promote awareness of sex trafficking caring signs "You were worth dying for" and "Jesus Loves You! 'to help those involved in drugs and prostitution". http://www.12news.com/news/local/operation-code-red-kicks-off-in-the-valley/219771917.

Dave notes if LE isn't involved at least it is better than Project Rose. And on the streets, there are real victims often related to drugs or real pimps vs the pretend pimps often arrested (boyfriends of private consenting adult companions helping drive, phone helpers, etc).

More:

Operation Code Red is a powerful evangelistic thrust, where thousands of women from all over Victory Outreach International went into strategic cities where prostitution is widespread. This army of radical women had one purpose in mind: to share the love of God with prostitutes and rescue them out of Darkness.

Women of God it all about reaching the lost and wounded people on the streets by sharing our stories about how God rescued us from a life disaster.

Since our humble beginning in 1967, Victory Outreach grew from one church to a worldwide network of over 600 churches and ministries, with locations across America and in 30 countries from the Philippines to the Netherlands. We have grown into one of the largest inner-city ministries in the world meeting the needs of people from all walks of life.

More.

https://www.facebook.com/Victory-Outreach-East-Phoenix-413515302010512/

DavePHX
05-31-16, 05:00
Great interview of Selena of hotpinklist agency.

The way it used to be with Madam Rose in Phoenix and a few others.

How she works with guys on the phone screening and helping with match for their needs. She was a prior phone person at other agencies first in Niagara / Hamilton and now her agency that includes Toronto.

Shares how she cares for and treats both her companions, drivers and customers to assure safety and honesty. Of course, no legal issues for agencies in Canada who provide a driver if an outcall and details with pictures of all the companions, and just offer time.

She invites police to inspect their incalls any time to be sure all the gals are over age 18.

This is the way it should be in the USA To reduce potential harm and for positive sexuality if one doesn't want to go the sugarbaby route if desire healthy sexuality. Sadly, not in the USA, where sexwork is far more dangerous with criminalization.

In my view, this is a very interesting 1-hour interview.

The link should work, hit the big button on left to play!

https://soundcloud.com/sp411podcasts/sp411-with-selena-of-hpl

DrPoon
05-31-16, 13:37
Interesting point and a good psychological profile of a sugar baby type to avoid. You want to get a sugar baby who is mainly looking for a boyfriend and to help with bills occasionally. You want to weed out the inherent types who believe being a full on provider is superior. Many sugar babies if not 90% look down on providers and actually look down on guys who see providers so do not inform your sugar baby about prior history with seeing providers.

There are a lot of guys out there who are actually taking financial advantage of civilian women so the ones looking for sugar daddies are at least looking for a net financial gain out the relationship and really are most satisfied with at least not loosing monies which they have from guys in the past.

Also in regards to trips with sugar babies they are best served by regional trips. Use a car for the trips with the sugar babies. Do not use miles or take them on international trips because you don't want to bring sand to the beach.


Escort dawn who tried sugarbaby says:

I've tried the sugardaddy route and honestly, most of them just seem like they want to monopolize you and your time. Not for me. Now I can see as few or as many clients as I want to make more money and I probably have less sex actually. And I get to have sex with more varied partners. Like if you have a sugardaddy who's really shit at sex. Then what? Just stick it out? What if he's taking up too much of your time and not giving you enough money to cover your needs? You're supposed to keep feignng that you're doing it for his company (therefore differentiating yourself from common heuxs like me)? The whole thing is too fuzzy-lined for a practical woman like me. (Dave note has to look up what a heuxs is. Fancy word for Hoe or "side chick".

The whole sugardaddy / sugarbaby thing is not at all different from prostitution. Anyone who is trying to tell themselves that it's not sex work is delusional. It's basically sex work with more ambiguous boundaries.

Very active man says:

Personally I would rather pay out less money to more women for sex. If I want more than sex then I would do (the) dating game. But honestly not really interested in paying a sugar baby to take a trip with me.

But dawn has some good points. I think good negotiations would mitigate someone who is taking up too much time or not paying accordingly. Also a trial period would help a person decide if they could do it for longer. Anyway great to hear from someone who has experienced it.

Dave note this is from Canada where there are no real legal issues regarding consenting private adults vs. The USA.

PhxFunLover
05-31-16, 19:47
I tried the Sugar Daddy thing a while ago and while I could find some gems it was very time consuming and a lot more expensive at the begining. Once you find a good sugar baby or two it can balance out to cheaper than the traditional escort game but there are a ton to weed through and sometimes the women want way more (not money) than I want to give. Not to mention most the Sugar Babies dance around the topic and try very hard to pretend to being doing something that isn't the same as a provider. If you hate being stood up by a provider Sugar Babies are worse especially the 18-25 range. Its less time consuming and I enjoy it more to just find a provider or two to be a regular of.


Interesting point and a good psychological profile of a sugar baby type to avoid. You want to get a sugar baby who is mainly looking for a boyfriend and to help with bills occasionally. You want to weed out the inherent types who believe being a full on provider is superior. Many sugar babies if not 90% look down on providers and actually look down on guys who see providers so do not inform your sugar baby about prior history with seeing providers.

There are a lot of guys out there who are actually taking financial advantage of civilian women so the ones looking for sugar daddies are at least looking for a net financial gain out the relationship and really are most satisfied with at least not loosing monies which they have from guys in the past.

Also in regards to trips with sugar babies they are best served by regional trips. Use a car for the trips with the sugar babies. Do not use miles or take them on international trips because you don't want to bring sand to the beach.

DavePHX
06-01-16, 17:01
Supreme Court of Arizona Upholds under age stings by PD even if not seeking underage but tricked into it.

No. CR-15-0303-PR. Filed May 19,2016.

The superior court advised Kxxx that if he was convicted, the court was required to impose an enhanced sentence between seven and twenty-one years' imprisonment for each count without the possibility of early release, and that the sentences would be served consecutively. Kxxx moved for reconsideration, asserting that because the "minors" involved were actually undercover police officers posing as sixteen-year-old girls, these sentencing provisions did not apply.

Supreme court ruled that "enhanced and consecutive sentencing provisions apply when a defendant is convicted of engaging in child prostitution knowing that the person is a minor aged fifteen, sixteen, or seventeen. We today hold that these provisions also apply when the "minor" is actually an undercover peace officer. ".

DavePHX
06-02-16, 02:01
MILLENNIALS TURN TO 'SUGAR DADDY' PROSTITUTION TO PAY DEBTS.

(Avoiding the legal risks of escorts etc in the USA).

5/31/2016 - With college graduates increasingly unable to find well-paying jobs after graduation, the dating website SeekingArrangement.com is gaining market share by appealing to millennials looking for a wealthy "Sugar Daddy" willing to help pay off their student loan debts, typically in return for sexual favors.

"Facing a lifetime of debt slavery, the millennial generation is doing whatever they can to avoid homelessness," noted the widely read economics blog ZeroHedge.com, drawing attention to statistical evidence that since 2009, the number of student sugar daddies has grown by 1,200 percent.

"Whether its stripping or working at Rent a Gent, all options are open, ZeroHedge.com continued. "Now they are flocking to SeekingArrangement.com to prostitute themselves so they can pay for school. ".

ZeroHedge.com points out the millennials facing enormous tuition loan debts and looking for a sugar daddy is not limited to women, as 15 percent of "sugar babies" are men, and "Sugar Mommas" advertise on the site along with "Sugar Daddies. ".

The Denver Post reported an increased registration on SeekingArrrangement.com, coming largely from among the state's university population.

"There are more than 2,700 sugar daddies registered with Seeking Arrangement in the Denver area and 202 sugar mamas, according to the website," the Denver newspaper reported. "More than 15,300 Denver women – some college students, some not – are using the site as a sugar baby, and nearly 2,300 Denver men are registered sugar babies, too. ".

The Village Voice reported that according to data released by SeekingArrangement.com in 2015, more than 1,000 undergraduates and graduate students at New York University alone, some 2. 6 percent of the school's 45,000 full-time students, had active accounts at SeekingArrangement.com. It is more than any other American college listed in the report, topping Columbia at 1. 8 percent, the New School at 1. 7 percent and CUNY at 0. 25 percent.

More than 1,000 college students from Indiana are currently signed up on SeekingArrangement.com using their university email addresses, WTTV in Indianapolis reported. The television station noted sugar babies receive an average allowance of $3,000 a month from sugar daddies.

The Village Voice article noted SeekingArrangement.com, the largest and oldest of the matchmaking websites, had 2. 6 million registered sugar babies listed in 2015, with half of those registered being college students.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/millennials-turn-to-sugar-daddy-prostitution-to-pay-debts/

DrPoon
06-02-16, 18:56
Well based on that article we have about 15,000 sugar babies and about 3,000 sugar daddies -- at least a 5 to 1 ratio in favor of men. Much better than the backpage prostitution / escort ratios which probably have about 50 to 1 ratio against us. So even if we do ending up spending more time to get a sugar baby it will probably be worth it in the end due to higher quality services.

Klarity
06-03-16, 03:26
Well based on that article we have about 15,000 sugar babies and about 3,000 sugar daddies -- at least a 5 to 1 ratio in favor of men. Much better than the backpage prostitution / escort ratios which probably have about 50 to 1 ratio against us. So even if we do ending up spending more time to get a sugar baby it will probably be worth it in the end due to higher quality services.I've had extremely good luck with SD sites. The truck is to have a good profile, even if you're average looking at best like I am. Also be clear with what your looking for since I think most girls already get their fair share of messages that bear around the Bush.

DavePHX
06-06-16, 07:46
This may encourage more escorts, companions or sugar babies.

With the move to higher minimum wages, some restaurants have customers ordering by a computer at each table and McDonalds is increasing its "McRobots. " This is the unintended consequences of higher wage demands which seem to have no good solution without more taking from the wealthy via higher taxes and giving to the poorer with welfare, food stamps, etc.

Automation reported by the Washington Post May 25,2016, includes Ex-McDonald's CEO Ed RXXXi saying "it's quicker to buy a $35,000 robotic arm than it is to hire an employee who's inefficient making $15 an hour bagging French fries. " Wendy's is currently testing self-service kiosks and exploring broader uses of technology to mitigate rising labor costs. As computers have grown exponentially more powerful, companies have been able to automate more tasks, diminishing the need for human employees. The World Economic Forum estimated earlier this year that their rise would cause a net loss of 5. 1 million jobs over the next five years.

In Australia with a high minimum wage, the results have been McDonald's has gone to smaller portions, and have automated ordering kiosks.

The wage scale escalates as mid-level employees want to maintain the same gap in their wages vs. New hires. This all promotes more wage saving automation. Probably with more robotic manufacturing making order kiosks, and other automation devices. A few humans are needed to push some buttons make settings and of course the CEO's justify their already huge pay gaps over the average human worker.

Soon we may be able to order most anything by phone or Internet with computers finding it in a warehouse (I. E. Amazon) and a drone sending it to our front door.

Automation and technology solutions have been and are continuing to replace human labor. This has been true over the past 30 years and was accelerated, very subtly, by the great recession and now by the demands for higher minimum wages. Remember the old days of an attendant filling your gas tank?

While this might be good for corporate America and stockholders, it is of course, bad for especially the less educated, job seeking youth and older workers that don't have the job skills required today. Further, the robots won't be spending much money buying food or other products vs. Higher paid workers being able to spend, save and invest more.

JOLTS – Latest "Job Openings and Labor Turnover" report continues to show a record number of over 5. 7 million unfilled job openings. As a percentage of employment + openings, the "Professional and business services" sector has the most openings.

The services sector includes technical services and reflects the lack of availability of being able to keep some of the brightest foreign (especially Asian) technical students after graduation due to the limited number of H-1 B visa's for skilled foreign workers with typically four times the demand in the annual lottery.

As the New York Times pointed out March 9, 2016, industry leaders are desperate for skilled labor. Foreign students are a high percentage of the top USA Graduate schools for the needed "STEM" skills in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. They can stay in the USA For up to 3-years for on-the-job training but then unless they win the visa lottery have to return home and compete against us with their skills.

A 2015 CNN report "The truth about Asian American's success (it's not what you think)" for those lucky enough to become USA Citizens. They are often motivated by "tiger moms" and a supportive network within the USA.

Asian Americans are the highest-income, best-educated and fastest-growing racial group in the country largely because they are already among the best educated within their countries and are often more highly educated than the general USA Population. Economist George bbb calls it "ethnic capital," based on institutions such as info-sharing networks and tutoring. The high Ivy League admissions of Asian children of blue-collar parents are due often to hard work and strong families – "that puts Asian Americans on a sure path to success. ".

The Institute of International Education Open Doors Report, 2015 shows by far the highest percentage of foreign students are from China followed in order by India, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia.

In churches, temples or community centers, immigrant parents circulate invaluable information about which neighborhoods have the best public schools and the importance of advance-placement classes. This information also circulates through ethnic-language newspapers, television and radio, allowing working-class immigrant parents to benefit from the ethnic capital that their middle-class peers create.

Chinese interviewees described how their non-English speaking parents turned to the Chinese Yellow Pages for information about affordable after-school programs and free college admissions seminars. This, in turn, helps the children whose immigrant parents toil in factories and restaurants attain educational outcomes that defy expectations.

The Wall Street Journal reports how Mr. Svvvv from China faces a cultural gap. He pledged a fraternity his freshmen year but soon found the drinking rituals and other demands took time away from his studies. "I am majoring in electrical engineering," says Mr. Sxxx. "It's pretty intense. ".

"A huge wave of Chinese students entering American higher education seems beneficial for both sides. International students, in particular from China, are clamoring for American credentials, while USA Schools want their tuition dollars, which can run two to three times the rate paid by in-state students' reports the Wall Street Journal.

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DrPoon
06-07-16, 17:25
Chandler decoy. Posted in an unknown app. Age 15.

Defendant offered $40 for a BJ. Directed to apartment complex at Queen Creek Road and Arizona Avenue. Defendant arrested when he showed up with $40. Although somewhat strange because anyone at the apartment complex with $40 could have been arrested then??

http://www.12news.com/news/local/valley/scottsdale-teacher-arrested-accused-of-child-prostitution/234360177

DrPoon
06-08-16, 01:16
After analyzing further metadata the app is believed to be "mocospace" and the modus operandi of Chandler is to get a vehicle description of all suspect vehicles entering the apartment complex or hotel, as the case may be.

I remember one of my sugarbabies had mocospace on her phone I never really paid it much attention. Apparently there are also pimps on mocospace recruiting girls, as well.

Stomp2
06-08-16, 16:29
How does LE get away with their stings enticing individuals to fall victim to their operations. I know it is not right for an adult to have sexual relations with a minor and I do not condone any such action. But LE posting ads providing services from teens and minors to me is entrapment! How do they get away with it? Search the meaning of "entrapment" and you will find meanings all pretty similar... the luring by a law-enforcement agent of a person into committing a crime.

DontKnowMe19
06-08-16, 18:50
How does LE get away with their stings enticing individuals to fall victim to their operations. I know it is not right for an adult to have sexual relations with a minor and I do not condone any such action. But LE posting ads providing services from teens and minors to me is entrapment! How do they get away with it? Search the meaning of "entrapment" and you will find meanings all pretty similar... the luring by a law-enforcement agent of a person into committing a crime.First, they pose as a legal adult lady, let's say 22 or 23. Than after you agree to see the lady, she comes out and says she's actually 18 or 19 and wants an alcoholic beverage. After you agree to this, she than let's you know she's actually 15,16, or 17. If you still agree to meet this girl, that's how they get you. It's not entrapment if you agree to still see this girl. Although they have your number, and I hope to God its a hobby phone, if you terminate the deal, you should be fine. But I'm no legal expert. Don't travel too far down the rabbit hole.

DrPoon
06-08-16, 22:00
Actually in the Mesa cases, one of the defendants did terminate the deal. However, they still arrested him for misdemeanor prostitution unlike the others who were arrested for child prostitution. So terminating the deal upon information the decoy is under 18 doesn't necessarily undo the original misdemeanor prostitution. Going back to Dave's teachings, if there is no prostitution contract, there is no crime and of course no derivative crimes. Don't offer money or anything of value for sex for women of any age.


First, they pose as a legal adult lady, let's say 22 or 23. Than after you agree to see the lady, she comes out and says she's actually 18 or 19 and wants an alcoholic beverage. After you agree to this, she than let's you know she's actually 15,16, or 17. If you still agree to meet this girl, that's how they get you. It's not entrapment if you agree to still see this girl. Although they have your number, and I hope to God its a hobby phone, if you terminate the deal, you should be fine. But I'm no legal expert. Don't travel too far down the rabbit hole.

DrPoon
06-08-16, 22:46
Historically the so called Cross-Country stings have been held mid to late June through early October. It seems each year it varies but everyone should be on high alert!

Stomp2
06-09-16, 00:30
First, they pose as a legal adult lady, let's say 22 or 23. Than after you agree to see the lady, she comes out and says she's actually 18 or 19 and wants an alcoholic beverage. After you agree to this, she than let's you know she's actually 15,16, or 17. If you still agree to meet this girl, that's how they get you. It's not entrapment if you agree to still see this girl. Although they have your number, and I hope to God its a hobby phone, if you terminate the deal, you should be fine. But I'm no legal expert. Don't travel too far down the rabbit hole.You say that first, they pose as a legal adult lady, but to me that is a form of luring someone in the first place to eventually commit a crime posing to be someone they are not. But I am no legal expert either.

DavePHX
06-09-16, 02:00
How does LE get away with their stings enticing individuals to fall victim to their operations. I know it is not right for an adult to have sexual relations with a minor and I do not condone any such action. But LE posting ads providing services from teens and minors to me is entrapment! How do they get away with it? Search the meaning of "entrapment" and you will find meanings all pretty similar... the luring by a law-enforcement agent of a person into committing a crime.There are a number of Phoenix attorneys that also believe it is entrapment and / or outrageous conduct by LE. The ads as mentioned all say ages like in the 20's, pictures of adults (one had a wedding ring on). There are no minors its make believe. Then after the offer of sex for money the mention of younger age. Arizona is one of only six states with age of consent is 18, all other states are younger which is how the Whole Foods exec visiting thought no issue since in CO where he lives it is age 16.

It is all about money and grants to fund the huge funds going into the victim and trafficking industry when probably 90% are consenting adults. The under age entrapment stings make great media however, and shows how great LE is doing. If LE actually went on sites where those actually looking for under age are active, that would be too much work vs men seeking adults, entrapped.

However, the entrapment defense has not gotten anyone off. And the AZ Court of Appeals just upheld a challenge. Those convicted or take plea deals face prison and lifetime reigistration as a sex offender. Our tax dollars at work going after adult seeking men who are entrapped but not under our law.

DavePHX
06-09-16, 02:05
Actually in the Mesa cases, one of the defendants did terminate the deal. However, they still arrested him for misdemeanor prostitution unlike the others who were arrested for child prostitution. So terminating the deal upon information the decoy is under 18 doesn't necessarily undo the original misdemeanor prostitution. Going back to Dave's teachings, if there is no prostitution contract, there is no crime and of course no derivative crimes. Don't offer money or anything of value for sex for women of any age.Very true and well said. Never discuss any money on ads or when contact someone. Ads should list an hourly rate for companionship with no sex acts mentioned and neither money or sex acts communicated other than a fee for companionship with an attractive woman. Nudity and my favorite giving Esalen type non-sexual massage is 100% legal (giving OK if not an LMT and not being paid to GIVE. Which I am currently very much enjoying in Canada among other legal activities.

DavePHX
06-09-16, 02:10
Yet another great consenting adult website shut down and administrator arrested on multiple counts.

Might be an Arizona connection.

BTW, I am now in Canada escaping the AZ heat for 10 days and very much enjoying the adult freedoms and what I am more interested in than typically available in the USA If anyone is interested in following my travelogue and reports, as always active on the huge Toronto area board and will try and post eventually on my sexworktoronto.com site. But having too much fun with women which may delay updates on my site. BTW, no issue with C36 law for those that know what that is! In Canada it is all about harm reduction not going after consenting adults (in most cities including Toronto, Vancouver, Victoria per police press releases).

The busted board was a favorite of mine for my San Diego trip, especially for some of the great sensual, adult massage gals and reviews. The board after the introduction confirms the e-mail I received on 6/8/2016 from the arrested admin: "Due to circumstances beyond our control, SDASP is closed It will not reopen. ".

This may have started with the arrest of a women who got too lax running a popular massage parlor. Here are some comments from boards about her which may have started a long investigation of SDASP:

"xxxx was a pioneer of a service that was well organized, well, executed model that brought joy to many, many people and provided something positive for both sides. - She was a caring mother who's children will be irreversibly effected by the unfortunate situation. - She had a good thing and was proud of it but got too comfortable and overconfident.

"At no time did xxxx ever suggest a lady conduct in FS activities and in fact would terminate those who did.

The the in the media said: The website featured several provocative pictures of women who made generic promises to prospective clients offering "special treatment" and "individual attention.

She was sentenced to four years in prison in a plea deal to avoid much longer potential time in prison for operating a business in San Diego County offering full-body massages. The women working for her were all in their late 20's. Sadly she had terminal cancer and died. She was able to get chemo therapy with release to a hospital and then hospice.

Not clear if this started the investigation of SDASP but I understand she was very active there.

All that is known is someone apparently tipped of police who was a board member. It is not confirmed but this could have an Arizona connection. There is a very wild escort that was kicked off SDASP and was calling the wife of a customer. She has a long arrest record in Arizona related to drugs and prostitution.

A person claims related to AZ women (who was also in SD):

(Misspellings are sic. From original left unchanged).

You are the NUT job who started all this drama with me. The SDASP drama, (which I'm still a member of, YOU ARE KICKED OFF) and TER Drama (which I am still a member of, I don't THINK THEY KNOW YOUR ON THERE YET AGAIN AFTER BEING THROWN OFF).

There are many who know of your shinanigans and ripping off providers in Arizona. You were busted for running a brothel, and bustted for outting a man at his work and calling his wife, you were also causght and videotaped doing bareback on a client in Claifornia.

I am tired of you stalking me, your a tired old w* who tried to pass off you new boyfriend as a musician who actually used a photo of a pro wrestler as a fake man, LOL.

On the current arrest of the administrator, I do not know full details and don't yet see anything in the media. Info was an e-mail to me from the arrested administrator. LE didn't take over the board but the owner shut it down to protect members. There is a long history of San Diego arresting many massage owners, all related to consenting adults and the safety the massage parlors provided.

"SDASP is a community of escorts, hobbyists and service providers. Find escort reviews, site reviews, discussion boards, live chat and guides. As the administrator says, "I hope this has not caused any problems for anyone and I hope you can find another safe place to post. ".

Dave notes: the ASP reference for new folks relates to the old alt. Sex. Prostitution newsgroup. I was one of the first to coin the phrase GFE there, back in the days of pocket readers and 300 baud phone connections. GFE had nothing to do with unhealthy and illegal sex acts in those days but has since been perverted to mean something different by many.

DrPoon
06-09-16, 15:22
At least one can get pure sudafed in Canada:

http://www.sudafed.ca/

It is impossible to find sudafed in Germany or the Netherlands without combined with an antihistamine or ibuprofen!! I recommend to take two tablets one hour prior to landing in order to protect ears from the pressure change.

Fanny Fan
06-09-16, 20:34
I recommend to take two tablets one hour prior to landing in order to protect ears from the pressure change.Or you can suck on a breath mint.

DrPoon
06-09-16, 21:59
It seems that people can bring in un-inspected baggage if on a transit flight through Canadian airports. I ran into this once and never understood why people aren't picking up their checked baggage. Like all other port of entry airports not preclearance airports in Canada. The agent said that they usually don't search incoming baggage if it is checked for transit passengers even though they are going to land as a domestic passenger in the USA and they enter the USA in Canada from an incoming flight.

PoonHound602
06-09-16, 23:14
How does LE get away with their stings enticing individuals to fall victim to their operations. I know it is not right for an adult to have sexual relations with a minor and I do not condone any such action. But LE posting ads providing services from teens and minors to me is entrapment! How do they get away with it? Search the meaning of "entrapment" and you will find meanings all pretty similar... the luring by a law-enforcement agent of a person into committing a crime.In short, LE can provide the opportunity but they can't provide the idea. A person has to be predisposed to committing a crime.

DrPoon
06-10-16, 16:01
A thing to remember is that even if a defendant is entrapped, he can still be arrested and forced to go to trial and then would have to prove entrapment by clear and convincing evidence. See ARS 13-206 (B). So it would not be in anyone's interest to rely on entrapment and even if one is entrapped, one should follow security protocols to prevent the arrest to begin with.


In short, LE can provide the opportunity but they can't provide the idea. A person has to be predisposed to committing a crime.

DavePHX
06-11-16, 22:09
It seems that people can bring in un-inspected baggage if on a transit flight through Canadian airports. I ran into this once and never understood why people aren't picking up their checked baggage. Like all other port of entry airports not preclearance airports in Canada. The agent said that they usually don't search incoming baggage if it is checked for transit passengers even though they are going to land as a domestic passenger in the USA and they enter the USA in Canada from an incoming flight.Am confused. I just arrived at YYZ last week. In Toronto (Mississauga) now very much enjoying the adult freedoms and options. From the USA Bags are screened on their way anywhere. Likewise outgoing from Canada. As in some larger Canadian cities you go thru USA Immigration at the Toronto airport, before you leave as I recall. I am here another week. I have Nexus / Trusted traveler which bypasses the sometimes long immigration lines but has nothing to do with checked bags. I had one checked that was 45 lbs just under the 50 limit plus two carry-ons. With Trusted Traveler they also go thru X-ray but you don't have to take computers out, you keep your shoes and belt on etc. And much faster line.

In Canada Nexus card read and you look into a camera for eyeball reader to match the eyeballs pictured when you get Nexis.

DrPoon
06-12-16, 08:26
I think the baggage deal is just for people entering YYZ from a non USA destination. If you say in the international transit zone for example if you fly from outside both Canada and the USA to YYZ and stay in the international zone, you can proceed directly to the USA entry inside YYZ without collecting checked bags. Although I never take check bags, I found it strange that everyone else didn't need to collect their bags, as is the case with all port of entries landing in the USA itself. Later I come to find out, that people landing in this fashion supposedly have their checked bags x-rayed and the picture is correlated with the person's passport / name so when you are scanned in at the counter the CBP agent can pull up the pictures of your checked bags, if any. Supposedly, if anyone was sent to secondary they could retrieve the checked bags. Unlike landing directly in the USA where you have all checked bagged claimed and if you are sent to secondary you have all bags with you for the agents to rifle through.

But people with Global Entry I think could theoretically just proceed without anyone ever being able to inspect their checked bags. If they landed at a Canadian airport, stayed in the transit zone, and then proceeded directly to the USA entry point.


Am confused. I just arrived at YYZ last week. In Toronto (Mississauga) now very much enjoying the adult freedoms and options. From the USA Bags are screened on their way anywhere. Likewise outgoing from Canada. As in some larger Canadian cities you go thru USA Immigration at the Toronto airport, before you leave as I recall. I am here another week. I have Nexus / Trusted traveler which bypasses the sometimes long immigration lines but has nothing to do with checked bags. I had one checked that was 45 lbs just under the 50 limit plus two carry-ons. With Trusted Traveler they also go thru X-ray but you don't have to take computers out, you keep your shoes and belt on etc. And much faster line.

In Canada Nexus card read and you look into a camera for eyeball reader to match the eyeballs pictured when you get Nexis.

DavePHX
06-15-16, 06:01
All over San Diego news - 50,000 pretend victims. All consenting adults carefully screened and many relied upon for safety. A very popular board.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jun/14/prostitution-ring-websites/

http://patch.com/california/lajolla/2-accused-pimping-online-sex-enterprise-based-san-diego

DrPoon
06-15-16, 19:41
Ok well so according to the government hobbyists and providers are both victims.

So then are women who rent their uteruses also victims? Being a surrogate birth mother is legal according to the government. Is a girl who sells her eggs also a victim? The government seems to make arbitrary distinctions of victimization depending on where on the reproductive tract someone is renting or selling.

Ralf511
06-16-16, 14:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc-n852sv3E

DrPoon
06-16-16, 17:04
Another good way a reporter figured out how to avoid paying for a hotel room. You can take a shower and sleep in the lounge between trips to the poon club.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stern.de%2Ftv%2Fkostenloser-luxus-mit-dem-first-class-ticket--einmal-vip-und-zurueck-6571788.html&edit-text=&act=url

DavePHX
06-16-16, 17:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc-n852sv3EI was about to post the link before saw you did. Some of the comments are also good mixed in with those against.

DavePHX
06-16-16, 17:10
"O Canada" may be gender neutral again. Would we do similar in USA?

While enjoying the adult freedoms in Canada, The Canadian House voted 225-74 to change the words of their national anthem "O Canada" returning it to its gender-neutral original. Conservatives, however, may try and block the change in the Senate and delay action.

Changing those two words has ignited an emotional debate between those who dislike any change to the lyrics of "O Canada" and those who want to see them modernized to implicitly acknowledge women.

Xxxx'x original lyrics from 1908 contained no religious references and used the phrase "thou dost in us command" before they were changed by Weir in 1914 to read "in all thy sons command. ".

I enjoy the anthem especially since I appreciate Canada so much on my Summer trips for over a decade and fondly recall years ago after a great session with Madam Roses gal in Phoenix, I was a bit late to a meet and greet party and a companion sang O Canada as I walked in knowing my fondness for Canadian adult freedoms. She had a great voice and did the complete 1st verse.

In 2015 I enjoyed the musical comedy of the history of Canada at the Oh Canada dinner theater on Lundy's Lane in Niagara Falls. I had a front row table seat. It was some of the best live entertainment I've enjoyed in years. The location is not far from the great strip clubs although Sundowner is the only one left that is booming and open daily.

It will be interesting if they change the wording when they sing O Canada, or have to wait until the official change passes the Senate, if it ever does.

About the show:

The award-winning Oh Canada Eh? Dinner Show has entertained over 800,000 guests from around the world and is the seven-time winner of Niagara Falls Tourism's Attraction of the Year.

Our two-hour show features all-Canadian music; from maritime folk songs to modern pop. Come meet our singing Mountie, Hockey Player, Anne of Green Gables, Klondike Kitty and more. Full of laughs, this musical celebration of Canada will delight audiences of all ages.

At what other restaurant are you served your dinner by a singing Mountie?

A new, re-imagined version of the Oh Canada Eh? Dinner Show is now on stage. This high-energy production features over 65 songs from all-Canadian artists including music from Celine xxx, the Bare Naked Ladies, Shania xxxx Avril xxxxx & Paul xxxx (this taking out last names seems a bit silly).

http://ohcanadaeh.com/shows/default/view/14/

DrPoon
06-17-16, 17:33
I support the German prostitution model. I am against her statements linking Germany and the Netherlands as following the same prostitution model. In fact, they both have price controls but the Netherlands has a minimum price control of $50 for 15 minutes with CBJ whereas Germany has a maximum price control of $50 hh with BBBJ. Some poon clubs are as low as $30-40. Also the Netherlands has the CBJ law, which makes it inferior. Clearly the German model should be adopted worldwide.

Also Germany allows poon clubs which have a door frau which one can theoretically bring disputes (although I have never had one with any provider in Europe) and this is good because it provides a system of arbitration of disputes sort of like the Better Business Bureau.

DrPoon
06-19-16, 20:33
I think there should be a city ordinance which requires hotels to allow late check out times until 8 pm.

Doesn't make sense to kick people out of hotels at 12 noon or 1 pm when the temperature is 120 degrees.

DrPoon
06-25-16, 07:56
I met an Estonian girl in Germany a while back and found her link:

http://www.rate.ee/users/kix-tix

Really good session with BBBJCIM.

DavePHX
06-25-16, 20:14
SWITZERLAND TO OPEN EUROPE'S VERY FIRST 'FELLATIO CAFE'.

06.24. 2016 - An establishment where customers would receive oral sex while drinking lattes and cappuccinos is anticipated to open in Geneva, Switzerland, by the end of 2016.

The "fellatio cafe," as it is being termed, is based on similar establishments in Thailand—the cafe would cater to men (yes, just men) ordering a coffee and choosing their preferred prostitute on an iPad.

The company behind the plan is called FaceGirl. For an upfront fee of £42 (about $60) patrons would receive a morning joe job while drinking their beverage at the bar.

A representative from the company named Bradley xxxxxt told the newspaper Le Matin that "In five or ten minutes, it's all over. ".

In Switzerland, prostitution is legal and sex workers are required to have permits to operate. Establishments with 2 or more prostitutes are required to register as massage parlors.

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/switzerland_to_open_europes_very_first_fellatio_cafe

The London Mirror has a similar report at.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fellatio-caf-offers-oral-sex-8269281

DrPoon
06-25-16, 22:05
The problem with Switzerland is that they don't use the euro so it would be a pain to convert money back to euros after you leave Switzerland. Same thing for England which everyone should avoid due to its departure tax and non euro money system. But there are probably going to be an influx of more Romanians and Bulgarians probably into Sweden and a few into Germany after the UK kicks them out.

AzskyDiver
06-26-16, 07:16
Am I the only one who says WTF after reading any of this guy's posts?

I took care of that, you won't be seeing them anymore.

You're welcome,

A2

AzskyDiver
06-26-16, 16:15
Am I the only one who says WTF after reading any of this guy's posts?

I took care of that, you won't be seeing them anymore.

You're welcome,

A2Thank you.

DavePHX
06-28-16, 07:46
Studio Case update.

Brief History. Raid in 2013. The 15 gals took pleas for mostly felonies related to affiliation with a criminal enterprise. Owner William has remained in Tower Jail unable to post $100,000 bond. In 2015 he turned down plea deal for 5-7 years in prison plus lifetime probation. Case is before Judge Stephens same as the Temple case. If I show up for a hearing (haven't yet) I bet she will remember me. Once in the Temple case she mentioned during a break that she had missed me in Court Most of the Studio case has been just routine, if there are any significant evidentiary hearings or may attend if I have the time.

I believed that the Tempe case was more solid for the defense based on the fact a donation after the fact was not a "fee arrangement". Sadly the jury convicted and she is now in prison for probably 4 years after turning down a plea offer for basically time served (she originally had a $1 million bond and was in jail about a year before bond reduced and someone funded).

Latest - 6/2016 Motion to add a defense witness Joshua Z. To testify about adult films. I have complete name but Google and I can not find anything about his name related to the film industry.

He filed a long motion which he hand writes from jail, related to upcoming settlement conference.

He relies on Vivid vs Fielding in 2013, Miller v Calf 1973 etc. In my non-lawyer view none of these are a good defense. The 9th Circuit Appeals Court in Vivid refused to block the condom mandate of adult film actors based on a First Amendment challenge. The voter-approved initiative known as Measure B regulates sexual speech to prevent the secondary effects of sexual infections, and should be scrutinized using intermediate scrutiny, the appeals court said. The speech at issue isn't about condomless sex; it's more generally the erotic message in the adult films, according to the opinion. That means the condom mandate is a de minimis restriction on the expression, rather than a complete ban, the appeals court said. The appeals court said the de minimis impact is no greater than a pasties and G-string requirement for erotic dancers upheld by the USA Supreme Court in 2000.

The Vivid case also cites Dream Palace v. County of Maricopa, 384 F. 3 d 990,1021 (9th Cir. 2004) where Dream Palace challenged the new Phoenix adult entertainment law and lost on most arguments other than keeping dancer real names not available to the public for licensing and a few other issues.

Long before the Studio bust I had e-mail discussions with the defendant that in my view Miller v Calf and the other Calf case has no defense against prostitution (or porn studios) in Arizona. In porn films the director does not pander and no one is PAYING for sex that is in the film. Vs. Guys coming to the Studio paying to rent a camera as an excuse to have sex with an "actress". In my view this is totally different than the Calf cases related to porn stars where those having sex are not paying to have sex. The only payment is from the film studio to the actors. The porn studio is not paying to have sex with the studio.

On 6/21/2016 there as a settlement conference and he was given a "Donald Advisement" but potential prison time not in the records. My guess is similar to the Temple case where up to 70 years in prison advisement was given to Tracy, in the Studio case could be even longer than this. William faces 4 counts of illegal control of enterprise, Pandering, Maintain a House of Prostitution, 2 counts of sexual assault, and Sex Trafficking which itself is a Class 2 felony as is sexual assault (related to a disputed incident with Serena) with all the others being other mostly serious class 3 felonies. He also has a prior felony conviction for fraud where he took a plea deal for probation which he completed prior to 2013.

Next dates include management conference on 7/7, Final Trial Management 9/6 with trial 9/12/2016. However, these trial dates are easy to continue as it always has been a few times. It may be another year or so for any trial assuming he doesn't take a plea deal (5-7 years plus lifetime probation was offered).

DrPoon
06-28-16, 20:26
Then what about all the porn producers who cast themselves in their films? I. E. Max Hardcore, Rodney Moore, etc.

Also so if hobbyist A acts as a producer for hobbyist B and actress C and the next day hobbyist B acts as a producer for hobbyist A and actress D then this is legal porn and somehow different than hobbyist A acting as both producer and director along with actress c?


Studio Case update.

Brief History. Raid in 2013. The 15 gals took pleas for mostly felonies related to affiliation with a criminal enterprise. Owner William has remained in Tower Jail unable to post $100,000 bond. In 2015 he turned down plea deal for 5-7 years in prison plus lifetime probation. Case is before Judge Stephens same as the Temple case. If I show up for a hearing (haven't yet) I bet she will remember me. Once in the Temple case she mentioned during a break that she had missed me in Court Most of the Studio case has been just routine, if there are any significant evidentiary hearings or may attend if I have the time.

I believed that the Tempe case was more solid for the defense based on the fact a donation after the fact was not a "fee arrangement". Sadly the jury convicted and she is now in prison for probably 4 years after turning down a plea offer for basically time served (she originally had a $1 million bond and was in jail about a year before bond reduced and someone funded).

Latest - 6/2016 Motion to add a defense witness Joshua Z. To testify about adult films. I have complete name but Google and I can not find anything about his name related to the film industry.

He filed a long motion which he hand writes from jail, related to upcoming settlement conference.

He relies on Vivid vs Fielding in 2013, Miller v Calf 1973 etc. In my non-lawyer view none of these are a good defense. The 9th Circuit Appeals Court in Vivid refused to block the condom mandate of adult film actors based on a First Amendment challenge. The voter-approved initiative known as Measure B regulates sexual speech to prevent the secondary effects of sexual infections, and should be scrutinized using intermediate scrutiny, the appeals court said. The speech at issue isn't about condomless sex; it's more generally the erotic message in the adult films, according to the opinion. That means the condom mandate is a de minimis restriction on the expression, rather than a complete ban, the appeals court said. The appeals court said the de minimis impact is no greater than a pasties and G-string requirement for erotic dancers upheld by the USA Supreme Court in 2000.

The Vivid case also cites Dream Palace v. County of Maricopa, 384 F. 3 d 990,1021 (9th Cir. 2004) where Dream Palace challenged the new Phoenix adult entertainment law and lost on most arguments other than keeping dancer real names not available to the public for licensing and a few other issues.

Long before the Studio bust I had e-mail discussions with the defendant that in my view Miller v Calf and the other Calf case has no defense against prostitution (or porn studios) in Arizona. In porn films the director does not pander and no one is PAYING for sex that is in the film. Vs. Guys coming to the Studio paying to rent a camera as an excuse to have sex with an "actress". In my view this is totally different than the Calf cases related to porn stars where those having sex are not paying to have sex. The only payment is from the film studio to the actors. The porn studio is not paying to have sex with the studio.

On 6/21/2016 there as a settlement conference and he was given a "Donald Advisement" but potential prison time not in the records. My guess is similar to the Temple case where up to 70 years in prison advisement was given to Tracy, in the Studio case could be even longer than this. William faces 4 counts of illegal control of enterprise, Pandering, Maintain a House of Prostitution, 2 counts of sexual assault, and Sex Trafficking which itself is a Class 2 felony as is sexual assault (related to a disputed incident with Serena) with all the others being other mostly serious class 3 felonies. He also has a prior felony conviction for fraud where he took a plea deal for probation which he completed prior to 2013.

Next dates include management conference on 7/7, Final Trial Management 9/6 with trial 9/12/2016. However, these trial dates are easy to continue as it always has been a few times. It may be another year or so for any trial assuming he doesn't take a plea deal (5-7 years plus lifetime probation was offered).

DavePHX
06-29-16, 01:04
Then what about all the porn producers who cast themselves in their films? I. E. Max Hardcore, Rodney Moore, etc.
Also so if hobbyist A acts as a producer for hobbyist B and actress C and the next day hobbyist B acts as a producer for hobbyist A and actress D then this is legal porn and somehow different than hobbyist A acting as both producer and director along with actress c?Convince a jury this is legitimate would be almost impossible. In the cases in Calf where producer not a pimp, included various factors. The State would probably ask:

How many films you sold. How much revenue? Are the actors a member of a recognized actors guild?

Those were some of key points in CA cases.

BTW, the Studio did have gals examined for STDs by a Doc which was good but not really relevant to prostitution vs porn. AG Montgomery a few years ago had a press conference after the required use of condoms issue in CA. He made it very clear any porn producers who tried to come to AZ would be charged with prostitution. There is no such thing as a legal porn studio in AZ. Arizona does not have to agree to the CA rulings and if a "real" porn studio tried to come to AZ arrests may be made and then years in AZ courts fighting the legal status.

The current AG Montgomery is like Sheriff Joe. Very tough on anything related to sex work. I. e. The pretend victims in the zillions of underage entrapment stings I am reading lots of aggressive positions of the AG / State as old 2013 cases are getting into the arguments back and forth before trials for those that haven't taken felony pleas.

DavePHX
06-29-16, 05:37
Brief History: Raided in 2014,7 indicted all but 4 took felony plea deals long ago. Christina sentenced to 1-year in prison, Lola 3 years probation but violated in 2016 and rearrested. 2nd Christina pled to two felonies and sentenced to 18 months probation. If found guilty under mandatory sentencing Adam faces up to 16.5 years, Stephen and Robert about 40 years in prison and Cary on his only one count of money laundering up to 8. 75 years but since no prior felonies could be probation eligible.

Crime date for most charges is 9/11/2007, so it was probably a very long investigation leading to the raid in 2014.

Trial in my last report was to start 5/12/2016 but seems still a long way off.

Current:

A witness granted immunity. State motioned to preclude defense witness (some of 68 defense noticed). State seeks admission of an audio recording of a pre-arrest interview. Adam Motion in Limine to exclude any reference to his prior incarceration. Cary B to admit his entire recorded statement to police instead of State selecting excerpts. Court orders briefing which each side did on 6/8/2016.

6/8/2016:37 page brief by State Re: Adam argues phone calls from jail show Cary was making deposits in brother Cary's jail account in similar amounts discussed on jail phone which was previously admitted in a post-arrest interview. State argues Adams incarceration is relevant to a jury to "complete the story" citing Arizona cases. This is related to the money laundering charges of a criminal prostitution enterprise. Many pages provided of Adams jail account with a $100 entry circled as well as a $200 entry.

6/10/2016: Court in seven-page ruling denied Cary's motion, approved State's motion to preclude self-serving hearsay testimony after a long legal discussion. Court lists pages of the interview that can and can not be admitted at trial and what is to be redacted. Ruled the issue of Adam to preclude his incarceration is not yet ripe for a ruling.

6/24/2016 Long Under-Advisement Ruling Denying Adam's Motion to Exclude Any Reference to his Incarceration. Key points:

"The fact that Adam xxx was incarcerated between 2009 and 2014 is not an element of the charged offense but it is inherent to the evidence to support the charged offense of money laundering. For example, the State seeks to establish that Defendant Adam xxx received / accepted funds onto his prison books with such alleged racketeering funds coming from Club Lace. Skipping lots.

"Precluding any reference to Adam xxx's incarceration may further serve to mislead or confuse the jury. For example, the jury would not be provided any explanation as to why Adam xxx needed Cary xxx to transfer funds to him or why he could not arrange for those transfers on his own. Additionally, the fact that Adam xxx was incarcerated may further support a defense that Adam xxx was not actively participating in Club Lace operations.

"The Court recognizes the fact of Adam xxx's incarceration is very prejudicial. The Court also recognizes the extent to which the fact of incarceration is extremely probative. In consideration of Rule 403, the danger of unfair prejudice arising from the fact of Adam xxx's incarceration does not substantially outweigh the probative value. The prejudice may be further avoided or reduced by addressing the fact of incarceration during voir dire. ".

Next dates: Pretrial conference 8/8/2016, the trial now for 8/11/2016 but could keep being continued.

DavePHX
06-29-16, 07:22
Some of these cases from the August 2015 entrapment game of LE are starting to mature. Mesa was given a grant of $121,303 by Hickey Family Foundation to assist Mesas police in this entrapment and pretend victims for men seeking adults on BP.

As in Phoenix and other cities the entrapment is placing ads for adults listing age as 18-mid 20's on a site intended only for adults (BP) with a picture of an adult (at least one case had a wedding ring on) but then as part of the phone call mention they are age 16 or 17. Arizona is only one of six states where the minimum age is 18 - all the rest are less. In some cases, the guys think they are just saying this to get a better price and they aren't really under age 18.

Many attorneys have claimed this is immoral, outrageous. Entrapments actions by LE to get their grants for sex trafficking and of course especially under 18 busts to boost figures and justification for their making up pretend victims instead of going after wherever men actually are seeking underage instead of seeking adults on an adult site. Many defense briefs have been filed by various attorneys arguing entrapment or outrageous police behavior. Some early cases have gone to Appeals, however so far, all the cases I have reviewed have been lost. So the game of pretend victims and entrapment of men seeking adults which should be only a minor misdemeanor are turned into a serious felony with potentially up to about 20 years in prison and registration for life as a sex offender.

Levi B case:

In probably cause statement, he replied to the ad but when she said she was 16, he said that was dangerous, didn't believe her and agreed to meet for $100. At hotel met by two obviously adult undercover women. He asked them to get naked to prove they were not LE and at that point were arrested from child prostitution and Prostitution w / minor age 15-17, both of which are serious class 2 felonies.

At his arrest, he explained his fiance was pregnant and was afraid to have sex with her.

He was unable to raise $3600 bail and was also charged with drug violations by Scottsdale for another $4500 bail not paid. \.

Unlike some other cases he has not had a very vigorous defense yet, just usual routine motions. Trial set for 6/21 has been continued until 8/25/2016.

DrPoon
06-29-16, 08:02
I must be missing something but how is asking a decoy to be naked after giving her $100 (without an offer or agreement of sexual conduct) become prostitution? In nudist camps there are nude people from all ages congregating naked so would that be prostitution or does it only become prostitution in a hotel room?

It must have been something he said after his arrest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH78o8-ptkI

DavePHX
06-29-16, 08:20
Arrested in an entrapment sting in October 2014 by arguing to an undercover "persona" who advertised on BP an adults only site, as over 18 on an adult site but then claimed to be 16 year old "Bridget" who in reality was an adult undercover.

Latest updates:

Was convicted at trial in October 2015 yet sentencing is still being fought over in June 2016. The mandatory range is 7-21 years.

From trial minutes on 9/10/2015 I note defense attempts to bring up an entrapment defense and State objects and without jury has a discussion. Court orders no testimony regarding entrapment will be permitted, but scheduled a hearing on the issue for 9/15/2015. On 9/15/2015 jury quickly finds guilty with no entrapment defense or hearing.

Attorney briefed against enhanced sentencing of up to 21 years since ad said over 18 and cited Hazlett & Regenold case saying there had to be a real minor not a pretend one.

Court ruled in 2015 that both the State for enhanced sentence and defense presented arguments that were plausible, but the court found the defense more persuasive. State argument would have absurd result of a longer sentence if the cop was using a persona as a 16-year-old than if she said she was 14.

Court applied the rule of Lenity when statutes are ambiguous. Parties briefing clearly shows the ambiguous nature of the Statute and approves defendants motion to strike States (enhanced) sentencing allegation.

The state objected and filed a brief and Defendant replied with a reply brief.

Defense lawyer Adam F. Argued this is similar to cited Arizona cases and pointed out the USA Supreme Court in Yates v USA, of 2/25/2015, ruled regarding a fish being a tangible object. Yates faced 21 years for each fish that was discarded to avoid prosecution for catching undersized fish. The Court ruled that he destroyed evidence by discarding the fish, but he could not be prosecuted in an overreaching fashion as the Federal Government sought to impose. This was similar overreach when the defendant sought an adult which would be a minor misdemeanor and was tricked into a felony with potentially 21 years in prison.

State of Arizona (Montgomery's office) filed a reply brief calling attention to Appeals case State ex rel: Polk v Campbell ICA-SA 15-0107 dated 8/24/2015. In this case, Appeals upheld the State position that is knowingly luring even a pretend child is subject to enhanced penalties under ARS 13-105 (10)(b)(Supp 2014) which defines "knowingly" as aware or belief being underage.

Defendant also motioned for release pending appeal (which he can't start until final sentencing). State objects based on Rule 7. 2 (c)(1) where thr burden of proof required is a preponderance of evidence based on factual evidence there is a reasonable grounds to believe that the conviction will be reversed, set aside or vacated.

Early 2016 various mitigation hearings were scheduled but continued.

6/24/2016: Famous on Phoenix TV Jason L. Joins the case. He was the attorney for a Temple defendant that took an early plea, represented the freeway shooter who has been released and gets on TV in various high-profile Phoenix cases.

Jason joined just before next sentencing date of 6/27/2016 which has now been continued until 8/26/2016.

DrPoon
06-29-16, 08:38
So the Hickey foundation pays Mesa LE overtime of $100,000. But then who pays for the 21 years in prison the dozen people arrested get sentenced to? How much is it to send all of them to prison for 21 years?? And who pays for the support of the children of the defendants when they are in prison for 21 years? Is the Hickey Foundation going to give all of the de facto broken families food stamps and rent subsidies to make up for the loss of their fathers? So $100,000 in free Hickey money ends up costing the government millions!

DavePHX
06-30-16, 01:23
I must be missing something but how is asking a decoy to be naked after giving her $100 (without an offer or agreement of sexual conduct) become prostitutionIn the phone or text conversations sex was agreed to, I. E. For $60 or $100 for "full service" or "include oral" etc. Its all in the LE tapes and phone record transcripts. The asking to get naked was in furtherance of the agreement and enough to arrest not just the act of getting naked.

The big issue is a minor misdemeanor if it was an adult, which the guys are seeking since the ad says adult age, and picture obviously an adult vs. A serious felony and lifetime sex offender which can have no contact with any minors, can't be within so many feet of a school etc. In order to be with own children, guys have to get a modification of their plea agreement. All when they were never seeking under aged to start with.

DavePHX
06-30-16, 01:28
So the Hickey foundation pays Mesa LE overtime of $100,000. But then who pays for the 21 years in prison the dozen people arrested get sentenced to? How much is it to send all of them to prison for 21 years?? And who pays for the support of the children of the defendants when they are in prison for 21 years? Is the Hickey Foundation going to give all of the de facto broken families food stamps and rent subsidies to make up for the loss of their fathers? So $100,000 in free Hickey money ends up costing the government millions!And there are like 100 of these cases across the Valley now in Superior Court or pled in the last few years.

If they plea they usually get 6 months to 3 years probation depending on the presentence risk assessment report. But they seem to all get sex offender status which may be the worst. They can't even return home to their own children without a court-approved modification, be near a school etc.

If they go to trial and are convicted Arizona mandatory sentencing is 7-21 years depending on assessment factors and every case I've seen includes sex offender status and if on probation, can not use any computer unless under the direction of an employer.

DavePHX
06-30-16, 04:20
Many guilty of a crime they never intended to commit entrapped by LE's bait-and-switch technique.

AZ Republic reports questionable tactics used by police.

Highlights: Of the dozens of Valley escorts promoting their services online, the ad Jason Lxx landed on earlier this year was brief, to the point and indicated that its poster was new to the game.

"Hi! I'm so excited to meet you so what are you waiting for! I promise you a great time," it read. "I'm YOUNG and EXCITING and I'm always ready to try NEW things. I love what I do, and making sure your happy is what I love doing! Sic).

Lxx, a newlywed and USA Army combat veteran, performed a cursory risk-assessment and determined these qualities would provide the safest route. To be sure, Lee wanted a prostitute that night. But he, along with a growing number of fellow defendants churned through Maricopa County Superior Court, maintains that there is a stark difference between intending to buy sex and intending to buy sex from a minor.

Although the website's disclaimer ostensibly prohibits minors from perusing or posting in its adult services section, few safeguards guarantee this rule is enforced. After a few text messages with his chosen escort, Lxx was told that she was actually a 16-year-old runaway.

The ensuing scenario is familiar to many of the men whose sullen mugshots are posted online and featured in media reports.

The woman Lxx ultimately met was neither a seasoned prostitute nor a 16-year-old runaway, but an undercover police officer. He, along with the others arrested during the Chandler police sting operation, was charged with child prostitution — a class 2 felony.

"John" round-ups targeting those seeking minors or adults for sexual acts have become an increasingly visible staple in law-enforcement. The aim is to cut the demand for a service often coupled with violence, drugs and poverty.

But many child-prostitution defendants say police's use of the adults-only section of the site is bait-and-switch technique that makes felons of those guilty of misdemeanor intent and no actual crime. Media attention is typically quick to follow the arrests, unjustly branding average "johns" as pedophiles, their attorneys say.

"Clearly, from a morality standpoint, they're universes apart in my opinion," Lxx said in a Arizona Republic interview. Lxx admits he planned to pay for sex with an adult and said several factors led him to believe the woman at the other end of the text message was 18 or over, despite her claims. How else would she book a hotel room?

The decoy asked him if he would be willing to pay more because she was younger than the ad stated. Lxx believed the woman was just lying about her age to squeeze more money from him, he said. Further, Lxx's attorney Mark Nxxx x noted, the age of consent in Maryland, where Lxx was visiting from, is 16. (Attorney) said police are operating on questionable moral grounds, and missing their mark if the intent is to incarcerate child predators.

"Ninety-nine percent (of johns) — they're looking for an adult," he said. "At some point, the officer sneaks age in the conversation, and that changes it from a misdemeanor — 10 days in jail — to a felony. It's not doing anything to combat child prostitution. ".

Few suspects, even those with a reasonably strong defense, opt to fight the charges at trial. The facts in many of the cases would bode in a suspect's favor if they ever made it to a jury, said Nick Mxxx, a defense attorney with Castillo Law in Phoenix who has worked on several of these cases. One client even asked for the decoy's identification, but police were able to change the subject.

In one of the more publicized cases, former Sunflower Markets CEO Michael xxxxxxxx met with two decoys, one of whom claimed in the ad to be 18. When he arrived at the hotel room, however, he was directed to another woman, who claimed to be 17. But the women standing in front of him were actually 31 and 33, and this fact was never presented to the grand jury.

"It seems clear. That the fact that (the officer) was 31 years old, not 17, was not only relevant to the inquiry, but also of such value as to possibly deter the grand jury from a finding of probable cause," (attorney) wrote in the motion.

In the end though, Gxxxxxxx opted to plead out to a charge of attempted pandering and was sentenced to 30 days in jail and one year of probation. Such bargains are typical for similar arrests.

The minimum sentence for a conviction of class-2 felony child prostitution is 7 years in prison — a term defense attorneys say is severe enough to scare nearly all suspects into a plea agreement.

A new tweak in the existing Arizona law promises to further silence its challengers. One of the key elements of the sweeping anti-trafficking legislation closed a loophole for suspects arrested in the stings. The child prostitution statute now holds defendants culpable if they "should have known" that someone ages 15 to 17 years old was underage. Prior to the added language, prosecutors had to prove that a suspect knowingly engaged in prostitution with a minor if she was older than 14.

Maricopa County Attorney Bill M. Has said that cementing the law would prevent prosecutors from being forced to offer lenient plea agreements.

With his wife Megan by his side, Lxx accepted a plea deal. He is guilty of attempted child abuse with sexual motivation, a class-6 felony. But the damage has already been done, he said. Lxx, now a military contractor, lost his top-secret clearance as a result of the charge and may lose his secret clearance. None of this would have happened, he said, if he was charged with the misdemeanor crime he intended to commit. I'm just dead in the water," he said. "I honestly think it's a career ender. ".

Fanny Fan
06-30-16, 05:52
All these examples of the perversion of justice by legislators, police, and prosecutors, besides impacting the actual defendants, have certain deleterious unintended consequences that impact a much larger section of society.

People learn to distrust and fear government. Potential jurors refuse to serve. Jurors refuse to convict. People are afraid to report crime. Many people fail to heed government health and safety warnings. Many of these actions are irrational, and harm society.

On the other hand, a healthy questioning of authority can benefit society. If a juror suspects that certain information may have been kept from the jury, they can vote to acquit. If one believes that a law is unjust, they can vote to acquit.

Many of the Founding Fathers believed in the concept of jury nullification, whereby a jury refuses to support an unjust law by refusing to convict. Judges will tell you that you're not supposed to do this, but you can think for yourself and not be intimidated.

If juries refused to convict those charged with prostitution-related offences, prosecutors might be less likely to over-charge and lie to get convictions.

DavePHX
06-30-16, 06:29
I have close to 100 other similar cases I was going to try and follow of those guilty of a crime they never intended to commit entrapped by LE's bait-and-switch technique.

However I am going to ignore further pled cases since just don't have the time to follow so many, and they all wind up similar if take plea deals. I am going to try and only follow those that file serious challenges that will probably go to trial, or after trial results and then try and follow Appeals. And, of course, those cases that are major regular felony prostitution cases, of which there are also many in Superior Court.

Mesa Blue Heat 2015 sting was at the Marriott Hotel at 1221 S Westgate in Mesa where the sting was conducted by Mesa PD with the help of $121,303 grant from Hickey Family Foundation.

The Hickey Family Foundation based in Mesa had assets of $142.3 million including $5. 9 million of cash and the rest in appears stock and bond investments, other than a small amount from a Missouri farmland rental according to latest 2014 Return of Private Foundation Form 990-PF. It received $3. 8 million from interest in dividends and $8. 7 million from capital gains on investments. Income from contributions, gifts and grants were only $2,009. The Foundation was formed more than a decade ago and have not found who the benefactor was. No one with H. As a last name is listed as any trustee etc. On the latest tax form.

It paid its primary Trustee about $300,000 in salary and retirement plan contributions. It paid out almost $6 million to various charities, Christian, child and medical organizations. It supports many "Shared Hope" programs which is a large larger group to end child sex trafficking. Shared hope touts stats about age 13 the average age a child goes into prostitution, 100,000 children prostitutes each year, Human trafficking; is a $9. 8 billion dollar business, etc.

Dave's idea: Go after actual seekers of underage, not those thinking they are responding to an adult ad lured by a picture of obviously an adult. Have consenting adults helping you instead of all the pretend victims, consenting adults and owners of adults only web forums. If you are seeking child predators, maybe you should go after those that are seeking them, not intent of seeking adult companions and tricked when they had no such intent.

According to the Mesa Police:

For the past several years, the Hickey Family Foundation helped bring over 100 law enforcement officers, prosecutors and other professionals from Arizona to the JuST Conference in DC. (related to stopping sex trafficking including Scottsdale PD presentation for agencies without vice squads.) See http://sharedhope.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/JuSTprogram2014.pdf.

Mesa Blue Heat Entrapment Victim. Robert L.

Well known Phoenix attorney and Libertarian Marc Victor is his attorney.

Responded to ad 3/25/2015 for female companionship of Candy who he understood was age 18. In the phone discussion "Candy" asked him to bring some cigarettes and a condom since she was not yet age 18 and from Washington, the same as Robert.

Dave notes according to legalmatch.com 5/23/2015, "In Washington State, the age of consent for sex is 16 years old. At this age, a person can consent to sex with any adult, regardless of the age difference between them. " In the presentence report notes ad says age 18, but when asked to get cigarettes she says, "being sixteen sucks. ".

Robert was concerned about her age and did not go to meet her with any malicious intent but rather concern and curiosity. When met she looked much older than 16.

Robert agrees to a plea deal for 90 days flat time in jail but strongly objects to any enhancement or sex offender status. Attorney in sentencing Memo has a long discussion of his positive family history, father of many children, and 17 positive references from those that know him.

Robert age 42, worked as a ramp agent for US Airways since 2001 but was suspended since his arrest.

Despite attorney's attempts for just 90 days in a plea deal, Robert was sentenced to 90 days in addition to 3 years probation, a sex offender and can not use any computer unless under the direction of an employer.

He had to get a modification which was approved to allow to have any contact with his own children which is not normally allowed for a sex offender.

Mesa Blue Heat Entrapment Victim. Simon L.

Pled guilty and in May 2016 sentenced to 3 years probation after 90 days in jail, sex offender and restricted computer use.

Mesa Blue Heat Entrapment Victim. Douglas F.

Plea and sentencing in April 2016 with the same sentence as Simon L.

Mesa Blue Heat Entrapment Victim. Jose O.

Not able to pay $1000 bail since arrest August 2015. Agreed to $80 and a pack of cigarettes for sex at hotel.

Early 2016 plea deal for 90 days in jail, 2 years probation, sex offender and referred to ICE for possible deportation since appears that he was not in the USA Legally.

Earlier reported similar result for Aaron are.

I did separate report on Levi B who is the only Mesa Blue Heat case that is still active with trial now scheduled 8/25/2016.

DavePHX
06-30-16, 07:27
"Bicycle Guy" Red Roof Inn Black Canyon Entrapment Sting "Operation Blue Wave".

Sting was 10/14/2014. All pled guilty, but the "bicycle guy" latest motion was interesting.

Entrapment victim Frederick C. "bicycle guy. ".

Answered ad for "Sweet Young Thing - 19" Released on $5000 bail.

Frederick only had a bicycle so asked the 19- year-old to come to him. She said was 16 and didn't have a drivers license. He did not believe her and thought her saying 16 was only an excuse not to drive to him. He rode a bike to the hotel. Her voice and words were like an adult. Frederick had two 16-year-old daughters and knew what a 16 yr old sounds like. He thought she was lying to get some free cigarettes that she requested.

He was a 63-year-old retired helo pilot who receives $990/ month from social security, $200 from food stamps and $200 on side jobs per presentence report.

Took plea deal for pandering felony 3 yrs probation after 15 days in jail, sex offender, no computer access, and usual fees.

Filed a Memo to Court for modification of probation to have limited web access. After seven months of probation has not begun primary sex offender treatment and recently put in a theory group (for seeking adults!

He requests permission to purchase and refurbish damaged golf clubs and resell them on sites such as "eBay" or "Craigslist. ".

The State objects since he was involved in soliciting an underage female on backpage (from ad that said 19). His ABEL assessment reveals he has normal sexual interests but has not completed a sex history polygraph. However, the States primary objection is "the defendant continues to minimize his behavior and feels victimized by the system for his conviction in the present case. He was caught in and is 'too focused on being lied to' (age 19) and not the seriousness of his offense.

"It is clear the defendant may benefit from sex offender treatment to address his thinking errors and cognitive distortions. In the meantime, the defendant remains high to reoffend given his lack of responsibility taking. In addition to the defendant's inappropriate and illegal use of the Internet and his lack of progress in treatment thus far (for his normal sexual interests) the APD strongly opposes his request to use any device with Internet access capabilities for any purpose other than job search purposes at approved locations. ".

As of 6/29/2016, there is no recorded action on the Memo to allow limited Internet access. A conference was scheduled for 3/1/2016 but canceled and nothing more recent in the record.

DrPoon
06-30-16, 18:40
Maybe the Hickey Foundation is investing in private prison stock and prison healthcare stocks. So the more people it send to prison for 21 years the more divedends it earns. Plus the $300,000 salary for the leader of the Hickey Foundation! That's quite a racket they have going there I need to look into getting my own foundation started for disadvantaged hobbyists. Maybe a gofundme account or something.

DavePHX
07-01-16, 07:38
Shangri-La, Enjoy, Waterwood Asian Massage Case Update.

Last reported on this case in November 2015.

Brief History: Feb 2015 AG started investigating 4 Chinese women who were operating three Asian massage parlors at 6670 W Cactus, 4306 W. Northern and 10806 and 71st in Scottsdale. Various detectives were offered hand jobs or just started to do them without discussion and officers quickly made an excuse to leave. LE cameras were set up to monitor cars that came and went in the parking lot and monitored front door. LE did trash pull at a home and found a list of customers and amounts paid.

New Times reported it was part of an investigation into a suspected long-running chain of brothels. New Times questioned case based on it is out of policy for police to expose themselves but in one case a hand job was started after paying $40 for a massage after D2 had him roll over. The Arizona AG said the suspects have been operating since 2009, raking in millions of dollars which were laundered by talking cash on airplanes to China, then filtering in back into the USA Banking system.

The AG claimed it was a human trafficking ring, and they were seeking victims to get them in touch with organizations that could get them out of the sex industry and help rehabilitate them. However, there was no indication of trafficking victims and appears the only prostitutes were the four operators that were arrested. AG always likes to spin cases in the media as about human trafficking even when no evidence of this.

Indictments are for criminal enterprise, keep house of prostitution, money laundering and conspiracy felonies.

Arrests made of four operators on 10/21/2015. Bail for why age 45 of $5000 paid, D. Age 47 $15,000 paid, Y2 age 57 $5000 not paid and D2 age 55 $5000 paid. Also arrested was Brian G, but he was not indicted and dropped from the case.

Hearings include a Mandarin interpreter.

As of 6/29/2016 no pleas and nothing very revealing about the case other than the usual routine motions and status conferences. Trial set for 9/14/2016, but likely will be continued into 2017.

DrPoon
07-01-16, 07:40
Just a point of information if someone is a minor and being trafficked she can go to the light rail and press the button on the call station and apparently a social worker will pick her up. No need to be dropped in the desert by a pimp these days.

Member #5288
07-01-16, 09:17
"Bicycle Guy" Red Roof Inn Black Canyon Entrapment Sting "Operation Blue Wave".

"It is clear the defendant may benefit from sex offender treatment to address his thinking errors and cognitive distortions." It's clear to me that if more people practiced some critical thinking, this highly subjective statement would be seen for what it is. Wouldn't it be nice if all the resources wasted on "sex trafficking" were used for something constructive.

DavePHX
07-01-16, 22:54
Decriminalisation of sex workers in England and Wales backed by MPs.

30 June 2016.

The criminalisation of sex workers in England and Wales should come to an end, a cross-party committee of influential MPs has recommended.

In an interim report published on Friday, the home affairs select committee, which launched an inquiry into prostitution earlier this year, said the Home Office should immediately change existing legislation so that soliciting is no longer an offence and brothel-keeping laws allow sex workers to share premises. While prostitution is in itself legal in the UK, such related activities currently are not.

The committee also said the Home Office should legislate to delete previous convictions and cautions for prostitution from the record of sex workers, to make it easier for them to move into other forms of work should they wish to do so.

It added, however, that those who use brothels to control or exploit sex workers should continue to be prosecuted. With regards to changing the laws on buying sex, the inquiry will continue, and the committee will seek further evidence on the impacts of recently introduced laws in Northern Ireland and France, as well the model of regulation used in New Zealand.

In a statement, Keith Vaz, chair of the committee, said this was the first time that parliament had considered the issue of prostitution in the round for decades. "It is a polarising subject with strong views on all sides. This interim report will be followed by final recommendations, when we consider other options, including the different approaches adopted by other countries," he said.

"As a first step, there has been universal agreement that elements of the present law are unsatisfactory. Treating soliciting as a criminal offence is having an adverse effect, and it is wrong that sex workers, who are predominantly women, should be penalised and stigmatised in this way. The criminalisation of sex workers should therefore end.

"The current law on brothel-keeping also means sex workers can be too afraid of prosecution to work together at the same premises, which can often compromise their safety. There must however be zero tolerance of the organised criminal exploitation of sex workers, and changes to legislation should not lessen the Home Office's ability to prosecute those engaged in exploitation.

"The committee will evaluate a number of the alternative models as this inquiry continues, including the sex-buyers law as operated in Sweden, the full decriminalised model used in Denmark, and the legalised model used in Germany and the Netherlands. ".

The English Collective of Prostitutes, which has been campaigning for the decriminalisation of prostitution and for sex workers' rights and safety, welcomed the committee's report. A spokeswoman said: "We're absolutely delighted. The measures will make a massive difference to women in our group who at the moment are living with a massive burden of criminality which really makes it much more dangerous to work.

"The fundamental problem is criminalisation prevents women working together, forces them into isolation and pushes prostitution into the shadows. Thousands of women a year go through the whole criminal justice system, being raided, arrested, prosecuted, ending up with criminal records and in some cases actually in prison.

"We're glad also that the committee are looking at the question of full decriminalisation as it's practised in New Zealand. That's where decriminalisation has concretely been introduced and it's had fantastic success. ".

The collective added that there should be an immediate moratorium on arrests, raids and prosecutions in light of the report, and that civil orders against street based sex workers such as section 35 dispersal orders must also be abolished. "The Home Office should withdraw from cases we are fighting where Romanian sex workers are facing deportation on grounds that sex work is not a 'legitimate form of work' it said.

There are estimated to be about 72,800 sex workers in the UK – 32,000 of whom are in London – and about 11% of British men aged 16-74 have paid for sex on at least one occasion. Sex workers have an average of 25 clients per week paying an average of £78 per visit.

Also in 2014, there were 1,139 victims of trafficking for sexual exploitation, and 248 in April to June 2015, following implementation of the Modern Slavery Act 2015. An estimated 152 sex workers were murdered between 1990 and 2015, and 49% of sex workers in a survey said they were worried about their safety.

In May, Brooke Magnanti, the former London call girl better known by her alias Belle de Jour, told the committee that criminalisation of payment for sex would dissuade sex workers from reporting violence against them.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/01/decriminalisation-of-sex-workers-in-england-and-wales-backed-by-mps?CMP=twt_gu

DavePHX
07-03-16, 06:57
For incalls I also posted on sister site here International.

Mid June 2016- I have consolidated all my terb. Cc postings and discussions from my intimacy reports since haven't found similar options in Phoenix, and of course, no legal risk in Toronto. I have over 1900 posts on terb from trips etc. , over the years. Such a safe, positive atmosphere when there are no LE issues with consenting adult freedoms. I discuss the new C36 law and police of most cities including Toronto and Peel Regional, following a harm reduction model of leaving alone private consenting adults. And of course I follow C36 restrictions.

In the past since about 2002, I concentrated on the great nude lap dancers at strip clubs and my favorite nude-reverse massage places. Having been trained in sensual Esalen and taught couples I enjoy giving and the usual great response I get in my 10-minute routine for the "reverse" portion!

This trip towards the last half I got hooked on incall companions since could do much more and on a bed vs. Chair or table. Before about 2015 only outcall was technically legal. However, with the Supreme Court eliminating the bawdy house incall law (based on harm reduction) most of the large agencies now have incalls at various locations.

A typical incall was around $CND200/ hour, which at the about 77% exchange rate during the trip was about $US154/ hr with an almost unlimited selection of beautiful women. Most companions were going to college including one in International law. As reports indicated I had a great time with my more sensual interests and I discuss the response to what I call positions 1 and 2. Lots of guys follow me with my more sensual interests, not the usual stuff most seek with all those abbreviations I have no interest in. I am odd but enjoy my interests more than the usual raw sex stuff.

See June 2016 report link at top of http://sexworktoronto.com/TripReports/reportscontents.html.

DrPoon
07-03-16, 07:10
Do they have photo radar in Toronto? If they don't I might actually look into a rental car there.


For incalls I also posted on sister site here International.

Mid June 2016- I have consolidated all my terb. Cc postings and discussions from my intimacy reports since haven't found similar options in Phoenix, and of course, no legal risk in Toronto. I have over 1900 posts on terb from trips etc. , over the years. Such a safe, positive atmosphere when there are no LE issues with consenting adult freedoms. I discuss the new C36 law and police of most cities including Toronto and Peel Regional, following a harm reduction model of leaving alone private consenting adults. And of course I follow C36 restrictions.

In the past since about 2002, I concentrated on the great nude lap dancers at strip clubs and my favorite nude-reverse massage places. Having been trained in sensual Esalen and taught couples I enjoy giving and the usual great response I get in my 10-minute routine for the "reverse" portion!

This trip towards the last half I got hooked on incall companions since could do much more and on a bed vs. Chair or table. Before about 2015 only outcall was technically legal. However, with the Supreme Court eliminating the bawdy house incall law (based on harm reduction) most of the large agencies now have incalls at various locations.

A typical incall was around $CND200/ hour, which at the about 77% exchange rate during the trip was about $US154/ hr with an almost unlimited selection of beautiful women. Most companions were going to college including one in International law. As reports indicated I had a great time with my more sensual interests and I discuss the response to what I call positions 1 and 2. Lots of guys follow me with my more sensual interests, not the usual stuff most seek with all those abbreviations I have no interest in. I am odd but enjoy my interests more than the usual raw sex stuff.

See June 2016 report link at top of http://sexworktoronto.com/TripReports/reportscontents.html.

DrPoon
07-03-16, 07:13
Doesn't Canada use metric? I was just wondering why isn't the incall sites giving out measurements of the providers in metric?

https://www.clubtwomountains.com/

DrPoon
07-03-16, 07:23
There is something wrong with the jury pool in Maricopa County. That is not to say that the judges are not corrupt, which they are. But when they switched the death penalty sentences to needing to imposed by a jury and not merely a judge, it actually caused more people to be sentenced to death. So the jury pool in Maricopa County wants to convict and is not responsive to jury nullification. Not really sure why this is but they are the same people who elected the Arizona legislators who enacted the 21 year sentences. So that might have something to do with it.


All these examples of the perversion of justice by legislators, police, and prosecutors, besides impacting the actual defendants, have certain deleterious unintended consequences that impact a much larger section of society.

People learn to distrust and fear government. Potential jurors refuse to serve. Jurors refuse to convict. People are afraid to report crime. Many people fail to heed government health and safety warnings. Many of these actions are irrational, and harm society.

On the other hand, a healthy questioning of authority can benefit society. If a juror suspects that certain information may have been kept from the jury, they can vote to acquit. If one believes that a law is unjust, they can vote to acquit.

Many of the Founding Fathers believed in the concept of jury nullification, whereby a jury refuses to support an unjust law by refusing to convict. Judges will tell you that you're not supposed to do this, but you can think for yourself and not be intimidated.

If juries refused to convict those charged with prostitution-related offences, prosecutors might be less likely to over-charge and lie to get convictions.

DavePHX
07-04-16, 07:19
Do they have photo radar in Toronto? If they don't I might actually look into a rental car there.I have no idea, since I don't speed, haven't had a traffic ticlet (or accident) in about 40 years.

DavePHX
07-04-16, 07:28
Doesn't Canada use metric? I was just wondering why isn't the incall sites giving out measurements of the providers in metric?
https://www.clubtwomountains.com/Actually, that is a good question. Am going to ask my Toronto friend. The speed limit signs are all Km and rental cars have both on the speedometer. However, mileage like odometer I believe was in miles.

I was thinking the Asian agencies had metric, but nope checked website of a big one near my hotel. I never used Asian since I prefer taller, slender more European body types.

DavePHX
07-04-16, 07:43
So the jury pool in Maricopa County wants to convict and is not responsive to jury nullification. Not really sure why this is but they are the same people who elected the Arizona legislators who enacted the 21 year sentences. Probably 99.9% of the citizens who are the jury have never heard of jury nullification and can not be discussed at trial.

Overall Arizona and Maricopa county is very conservative, heavy Christian and in some parts Mormon influence. That is why we have been stuck with our infamous Sheriff Joe who has been reelected like 10 times.

I have been called for jury duty 4 times in 25 years living here. But always avoided either not in group that had to show up (actually a few months ago), or was on a murder case panel but got excused since self-employed and too much of an economic hardship for a trial that might take 3 months.

There is some hope of being more liberal. The average age is younger than the USA Population with big increase in immigrants from Mexico. Right here is where you went to far and stopped having respect for people that might disagree with you.

A2

Higgs Boson
07-05-16, 13:48
Right here is where you went to far and stopped having respect for people that might disagree with you.
A2Hi A2, personally I'm not sure what set you off to make an editorial comment on Dave's post. And I can't figure out exactly what you're objecting to. If you live in Arizona, your comments about local conditions are very welcome.

Higgs.

Dick North
07-05-16, 20:25
Hi A2, personally I'm not sure what set you off to make an editorial comment on Dave's post. And I can't figure out exactly what you're objecting to. If you live in Arizona, your comments about local conditions are very welcome.

Higgs.I happened to read Dave's original post and am not sure what you are whining about.

You are not sure what caused A2 to edit his post? My suggestion would be to grab both ears securely, pull hard and when you hear a pop you will know that your head has exited your ass.
What the hell do you want a political flame war?
DN.

DrPoon
07-06-16, 04:36
I saw a girl in 2012 named Paris she was blonde. Saw her in her apt. I wonder if its the same girl? I mistakenly dropped a $20 on the way in to her apartment. She was very nice and informed me to pick it up. LOL!

DavePHX
07-07-16, 07:07
I saw a girl in 2012 named Paris she was blonde. Saw her in her apt. I wonder if its the same girl?Doubt it. The convicted Paris is black and born in 1981 Paris is her real first name which are seldom the same as business name. Have no idea what name she used in the agency.

Fanny Fan
07-09-16, 20:59
The age at which a person is legally able to give consent to sexual activity varies widely from one country to another, and from one state / province to another.

The following map shows the different ages of consent around the world:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#/ media / File: Age_of_Consent_Global. Svg.

Quite a few surprises there!

Jamesj
07-09-16, 22:26
Do not unlock a date with this one.

She is 24, black from Scottsdale.

She opened communication 1st (agreed on 20).

After several messages and a phone call, she just realized WYP is more then dating site. (LOL).

Refused to negotiate any type pay for play.

All I'm out is 5 for unlocking date.

No use to waste any more $ or time.

JAMESJ.

DrPoon
07-10-16, 03:47
Just listening to the link from pink list owner:

https://soundcloud.com/sp411podcasts/sp411-with-selena-of-hpl

Doing research and rental cars are through the roof in YYZ! But hotels are fairly a good deal. So are there any walking distance incall locations to an airport hotel?

DrPoon
07-10-16, 18:30
I found I can make free google voice calls using wifi to Canadian numbers. This would allow free calls from the hotel room in Canada. However, I hope they don't use the two call system because after biking to a Canadian incall I won't be able to call so only can knock on the door or use a payphone I suppose.

DavePHX
07-12-16, 03:09
I found I can make free google voice calls using wifi to Canadian numbers. This would allow free calls from the hotel room in Canada. However, I hope they don't use the two call system because after biking to a Canadian incall I won't be able to call so only can knock on the door or use a payphone I suppose.All the major agencies with zillions of choices on their websites use the 2 call system for incalls. Usually, use hotels but sometimes condos. Unlike in the USA, it isn't for any legal concerns but individual security and while legal some hotels don't like being used by companions or may get some upset folks in the large condos such as in Sauga I. E. Marilyn Monroe Tower.

At condos sometimes have to make 3 calls - the last when you are in the lobby to be given the security code to open doors.

The few times (twice) I was downtown last month, don't recall being very bike friendly. Don't recall any racks etc. However, around Square One in Sauga, there are bike lanes but rarely if ever saw any bikes. I asked the hotel person how you are suppose to make a right turn if you are suppose to keep out of bike lanes? It is only in a few blocks like someone thought it was a good idea but seems hardly ever used.

DrPoon
07-12-16, 10:30
So then I have to break down and get a Canadian Sim card?!

It seems like outcall is like $100-$150 more than incall so it would be cheaper to get a SIM.

But then it said Toronto Sexy Friends has an Airport incall. Well do they at least all do BBBJ cim or is that an upcharge?