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[LoneWinds]

I've used this site with success for about six months now. The women are often of the "needy" variety, but it does eliminate the LE aspect. It's typically more expensive than normal procedures on here, but can often turn up a real gem. Down side is the cost of the site- $59 for a single month. But I continue to use it every second or third month, to build up a new crop of possibilities. One thing I like is that because I travel, I can use it to set up dates in different cities. Abd being older, I can say it's in the realm of scoring on a date, as opposed to just wham-bam. I kinda like the intimacy of getting a few words in togeather, and some date-like activity, before the culmination.

[LoneWinds]

Got several strong responses from an ad I placed a while back. Again, seems to be the "needy" type that replys to these kind of ads, but I guess that doesn't make it any different from any other type of date situation, legit or pro. Spent dinner / date money to get action, both times with the situation left that I would call when back in town. For $2. 00 ad that beats driving up and down Van Buren in my book. Kinda like shopping on ebay.

[Dsprdo]

I've used this site with success for about six months now. The women are often of the "needy" variety, but it does eliminate the LE aspect. It's typically more expensive than normal procedures on here, but can often turn up a real gem. Down side is the cost of the site- $59 for a single month. But I continue to use it every second or third month, to build up a new crop of possibilities. One thing I like is that because I travel, I can use it to set up dates in different cities. Abd being older, I can say it's in the realm of scoring on a date, as opposed to just wham-bam. I kinda like the intimacy of getting a few words in togeather, and some date-like activity, before the culmination.I have been thinking about giving this route a go, seems like maybe you get a little higher quality. What kind of cost for the "arrangement" do you see?

[LoneWinds]

I'll be honest, the outlay is higher, but the quality of women can be also. I'll pop for dinner and drinks at a nice place, and go from there. This has led to some upscale sex. Normally pretty damn foxy women who are typically down on their luck, and under normal circumstances wouldn't give me a second look. I took one to Denver last month with me, and the cost of the ticket was way off-set by not having to use conventional methods to get laid.

[DavePHX]

We do not know how wide or if another FBI joint task force but both guys and gals getting arrested. No mug shots up which may mean withholding since ongoing.

One gal was arraigned this morning (2/4) and someone there sent me pictures of the under covers from Court. I am not however publishing for legal reasons (2 were almost or bald).

One gal watched 5 John's get arrested and 2 gals from one location but I can not publish location if ongoing. I am not risking "interfering with a police operation" but free speech about there just was or is an active sting so as always never offer or give money for any sexual activity.

[JBoogs1977]

Got several strong responses from an ad I placed a while back. Again, seems to be the "needy" type that replys to these kind of ads, but I guess that doesn't make it any different from any other type of date situation, legit or pro. Spent dinner / date money to get action, both times with the situation left that I would call when back in town. For $2. 00 ad that beats driving up and down Van Buren in my book. Kinda like shopping on ebay.BP Adultads are a great way to get responses, I used amateur videographer or photographer, they come crawling out of the woodwork!

[Politics]

Hello. I am not sure where to post this question, because I have to admit I have never run across anything quite like this!

I came across the services of a a "Naked Life Coach". See here:

http://www.thenakedlifecoach.com/

Apparently she is a therapist who does her therapy in the nude (and the client is in the nude too). She also runs workshops where everyone can be nude as well.

I never heard of such a thing, but apparently from a couple searches she may not be the only one out there.

My question is. Anyone tried to visit her, or is this just a scam or joke?

Thanks.

[No BS]

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[FlyTwoHaveFun]

Got several strong responses from an ad I placed a while back. Again, seems to be the "needy" type that replys to these kind of ads, but I guess that doesn't make it any different from any other type of date situation, legit or pro. Spent dinner / date money to get action, both times with the situation left that I would call when back in town. For $2. 00 ad that beats driving up and down Van Buren in my book. Kinda like shopping on ebay.So I posted my 1st add the other day and actually got 2 definite possibilities witch is great but neither of them can host. So my question is how do you guys handle this? Do you have them come to your place? I use to do this all the times yrs ago when CL was really hopping but I was always traveling so I would just stash all the valuables before they got there. LOL I actually never had any problems but I live in Phx and they would have to come to my place. Just wondering how other guys are handling this?

[Waitingtoexpel]

So I posted my 1st add the other day and actually got 2 definite possibilities witch is great but neither of them can host. So my question is how do you guys handle this? Do you have them come to your place? I use to do this all the times yrs ago when CL was really hopping but I was always traveling so I would just stash all the valuables before they got there. LOL I actually never had any problems but I live in Phx and they would have to come to my place. Just wondering how other guys are handling this?Car date or motel.

[FlyTwoHaveFun]

Car date or motel.Ya thought of that but car date I haven't done since high school not my thing. As far as the motel by the time I get done paying for that plus giving her something I might as well go with a reputable provider.

[Supaspiffy]

After inquiring, doesn't look like you get extras.


Hello. I am not sure where to post this question, because I have to admit I have never run across anything quite like this!

I came across the services of a a "Naked Life Coach". See here:

http://www.thenakedlifecoach.com/

Apparently she is a therapist who does her therapy in the nude (and the client is in the nude too). She also runs workshops where everyone can be nude as well.

I never heard of such a thing, but apparently from a couple searches she may not be the only one out there.

My question is. Anyone tried to visit her, or is this just a scam or joke?

Thanks.

[No BS]

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[Nevin]

She's not really a therapist. Not formally trained in any way or modality that I am aware of (neither as a "lay hypnotherapist" nor as a lic. Counselor). I've spoken with her a few times (couple years ago) and always walked away with a bunch of "?" hanging over my head. And cigarette smoke. She was a chain smoker.

A hold over from the goddess temple (she was a blonde then) , she comes across as someone who was a provider (of some form) who took some of the "newage-why" spiritual beliefs, mixed it with poorly understood physics and added a HEAPING dose of wacky uber-left-wing politics.

So unless something changed there I would just pass.


Hello. I am not sure where to post this question, because I have to admit I have never run across anything quite like this!

I came across the services of a a "Naked Life Coach". See here:

http://www.thenakedlifecoach.com/

[Quipster]

So I posted my 1st add the other day and actually got 2 definite possibilities witch is great but neither of them can host. So my question is how do you guys handle this? Do you have them come to your place? I use to do this all the times yrs ago when CL was really hopping but I was always traveling so I would just stash all the valuables before they got there. LOL I actually never had any problems but I live in Phx and they would have to come to my place. Just wondering how other guys are handling this?I use this place. It's pretty freaking awesome and inexpensive and is always clean. The lady that runs it is very easy to work with. Car dates? Not a freaking chance.

http://phoenix.backpage.com/AdultJobs/private-townhouse-featuring-vibrating-wand-adult-dvds-bedside-mirror-come-play-here-30/21303858

[Dirty Old Guy]

NoShot,

Other than telling us how dumb you were for going BB with SW'ers and BP girls, this post doesn't offer any helpful info. Who were you with that gave you all these wonderful presents?

This sounds like an ad to get people off of sex and go into celibacy. Maybe we now have the Public Health Department, as a new poster, trying to turn us into monks with a new scare tactic! :D

Just sayin,

Dirty.


I developed the drip last Thursday and called and went in Friday. I was treated for Gonorrhea and Clamydia and was told I would be "safe" after 72 hours.

However, yesterday I received the first of my labs results: POSITIVE FOR SYPHILIS.

I contracted that from one of the more frequently discussed street walkers I was introduced to on this forum.

And I got the drip from another provider who advertises on BP and was highly recommended to me.

I have gone back and attempted to contact all of my partners; however, many have not responded.

I was a dumb ass and to the dumb ass who brags that he has been bare backing providers for years and coming away clean, I've got news for you: YOU'VE BEEN WITH HER!

I hope this is an acceptable post. I figured many would want to know and we've got to clean up.

[Craven Morhead]

NoShot,

Other than telling us how dumb you were for going BB with SW'ers and BP girls, this post doesn't offer any helpful info. Who were you with that gave you all these wonderful presents?

This sounds like an ad to get people off of sex and go into celibacy. Maybe we now have the Public Health Department, as a new poster, trying to turn us into monks with a new scare tactic! .

Just sayin,

Dirty.For a 1st post, yeah right. That was about as beliveable as the tooth fairy. I'm sure NoShot got AIDS too.

[FlyTwoHaveFun]

I use this place. It's pretty freaking awesome and inexpensive and is always clean. The lady that runs it is very easy to work with. Car dates? Not a freaking chance.

http://phoenix.backpage.com/AdultJobs/private-townhouse-featuring-vibrating-wand-adult-dvds-bedside-mirror-come-play-here-30/21303858Thanks for telling me about this. I'm right there with you regarding car dates! LOL

[PartyDiver]

For a 1st post, yeah right. That was about as beliveable as the tooth fairy. I'm sure NoShot got AIDS too.It's hard to tell if he's for real or not. When I first read his post, I got the feeling that he was a regular board member that created a 2nd acct to make that post, so that we wouldn't know who he is.

[Dirty Old Guy]

Fly,

Both you and Quip should check for hidden cams in the room. You guys might be videoed, and be the new porn sensations on the internet, or maybe a blackmail visit.

I'm just a cynical old sonofabitch, but that cynicism has helped me keep my ass out of trouble for a lot of years. Wouldn't want to see anybody get burned.

Just sayin,

Dirty.


Thanks for telling me about this. I'm right there with you regarding car dates! LOL

[Dirty Old Guy]

Party,

If he was a regular, I'm sure he would have said so and / or used his regular I'd. He's either LEO or the Health Department, or he really is just some dummy waiting for his dick to fall off.

Lotsa luck Bub,

Dirty.


It's hard to tell if he's for real or not. When I first read his post, I got the feeling that he was a regular board member that created a 2nd acct to make that post, so that we wouldn't know who he is.

[Quipster]

Fly,

Both you and Quip should check for hidden cams in the room. You guys might be videoed, and be the new porn sensations on the internet, or maybe a blackmail visit.

I'm just a cynical old sonofabitch, but that cynicism has helped me keep my ass out of trouble for a lot of years. Wouldn't want to see anybody get burned.

Just sayin,

Dirty.This was my first thought but curiosity (and need) got the better of me. Once I met Tonya at the place and saw how she has it set up, I have no worries about hidden cams. I'm pretty sure she's a retired provider but she sure knows how to run a clean "playpen." Very clever and creative. I have been using her place now for over 3 years! I had a couple sugarbabys for several months at a time and this was the only way to really swing those arrangements. I have used it to see "outcall only" girls and meet new potential sugarbabys. If you can't see provider's at your place, like me, this is the perfect solution. I'm no longer limited to "incall only" girls.

I understand the cynicism but once you meet her and see the place you will be very comfortable. She recently has included a "wand" plug-in vibrator (my regular girl is now in love with this thing). I keep asking her for a sex swing, she says if enough regulars want it she will provide it. My fingers are crossed.

[Dirty Old Guy]

Quip,

Well, after using it for 3 years I guess you should feel comfortable using it. I'm glad that it's safe, but you understand my being cautious. The concept is a good one, and I can see lots of advantages in using it. I'll keep the contact info for it when the need comes up on my end.

Have fun with the "wand" and the swing,

Dirty.


This was my first thought but curiosity (and need) got the better of me. Once I met Tonya at the place and saw how she has it set up, I have no worries about hidden cams. I'm pretty sure she's a retired provider but she sure knows how to run a clean "playpen." Very clever and creative. I have been using her place now for over 3 years! I had a couple sugarbabys for several months at a time and this was the only way to really swing those arrangements. I have used it to see "outcall only" girls and meet new potential sugarbabys. If you can't see provider's at your place, like me, this is the perfect solution. I'm no longer limited to "incall only" girls.

I understand the cynicism but once you meet her and see the place you will be very comfortable. She recently has included a "wand" plug-in vibrator (my regular girl is now in love with this thing). I keep asking her for a sex swing, she says if enough regulars want it she will provide it. My fingers are crossed.

[Supaspiffy]

Anyone heard of this porn star? She's all over TNA but I see no reviews of her here.

http://www.tnaboard.com/viewtopic.php?id=339824

[Papa Rotzi]

Great BBBJ and very tight V-JayJay. She's definitely worth a visit if you've never done a porn star. Also happens to be a genuinely nice person. Enjoy!


Anyone heard of this porn star? She's all over TNA but I see no reviews of her here.

http://www.tnaboard.com/viewtopic.php?id=339824

[FlyTwoHaveFun]

Great BBBJ and very tight V-JayJay. She's definitely worth a visit if you've never done a porn star. Also happens to be a genuinely nice person. Enjoy!Couldn't agree more when it comes to Trinity!

[TrinityMorgana]

Couldn't agree more when it comes to Trinity!Why thank you babies.

[Newbie80]

Came across this on the daily mail, I thought it was interesting and wanted to share.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284699/Caught-act-Unlucky-prostitutes-caught-plying-trade-Google-Street-View.html

http://doxyspotting.com/

[Matrix Neo]

This guy in Mesa probably killed the dreams of a few cab drivers I know. I'll be surprised if he's still driving for Discount Cab when this is all said and done.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Mesa-PD-Cab-driver-told-women-they-could-pay-fare-with-sexual-favors-193655651.html

[Jonesy47]

I saw Kristin this morning. She is desperate for work. Apparently, the sugar baby thing and all aren't working out too great.

She said she wanted me to post that she is now doing anal. Just 40 more and she assures it will be intense! She really orgasms fast going Greek.

She loves seeing her old clients and she is seeking new clients.

While she is seeking a Sugar Daddy, she is open to anything and EVERYthing is on the menu. From blow and go BBBJCIM to quick FS visits to half nighters and all nighters.

Apparently, Kristin is going through strange times since she cleaned up. Her skin and hair are very soft. She is just lovely! And modelesque at almost 5'8". She is hard bodied and tight!

Kristin really wants to see old clients and says she has more FUn with them but she has changed her phone number so many times, she's lost touch with her old regulars. She assures former clients they will have an f'ing good time!

For those who don't know Kristin, she's been at this for at least a dozen years. She charges the same for incall as outcall. I'd recommend avoiding her trailer because of le knowing and watching her.

She is often broke and runs out of phone minutes but will respond to text messages.

PM me for her number.I saw Kristen about a year ago when I tried to see a regular and nothing happened so got on BP and had seen her ads for awhile, so called her up and was easy to get a hold of. Haggled down to .6 and was on the way. She kept calling to see my progress got to "the trailer" and was another woman there. Heard later it was her lady who ran things. But she never interfered and was quiet. Kristen had a very tone body and was nervous did LE check and she played music from an old sound system I hadn't seen in many years. LOL my brother used to have one. Anyway it was cold and the trailer was kind chilly.

She had on a K-Mart looking bra and panty set with pit stains. Whoa but quickly thought nothing of it as see bbj for about five which was good, she had a tough time she said because I was "thick". Got jacket and only mish do to the coldness in room. Good time over all but she did seem out of sorts before and after.

She immediately got the tub to clean up but just sat there. I had to see if she was ok thought see may have drowned. I asked and she said she was a clean freak, which I like but I heard later that she was doing worse things bb and being treated for needle work which I did not see on her body. I would have going back but she went silent and I got a report of said treatment which freaked me out. But since then been very careful. So I guess just watch out when she gets desperate.

[JBoogs1977]

You know damn well the worlds dirtiest uncle "Joe A" just came in his fat britches knowing he now has a new income opportunity to catch mongers by their Lic Plate.


This guy in Mesa probably killed the dreams of a few cab drivers I know. I'll be surprised if he's still driving for Discount Cab when this is all said and done.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Mesa-PD-Cab-driver-told-women-they-could-pay-fare-with-sexual-favors-193655651.html

[Gun Runner]

I saw Kristin this morning. She is desperate for work. Apparently, the sugar baby thing and all aren't working out too great.

She said she wanted me to post that she is now doing anal. Just 40 more and she assures it will be intense! She really orgasms fast going Greek.

She loves seeing her old clients and she is seeking new clients.

While she is seeking a Sugar Daddy, she is open to anything and EVERYthing is on the menu. From blow and go BBBJCIM to quick FS visits to half nighters and all nighters.

Apparently, Kristin is going through strange times since she cleaned up. Her skin and hair are very soft. She is just lovely! And modelesque at almost 5'8". She is hard bodied and tight!

Kristin really wants to see old clients and says she has more FUn with them but she has changed her phone number so many times, she's lost touch with her old regulars. She assures former clients they will have an f'ing good time!

For those who don't know Kristin, she's been at this for at least a dozen years. She charges the same for incall as outcall. I'd recommend avoiding her trailer because of le knowing and watching her.

She is often broke and runs out of phone minutes but will respond to text messages.

PM me for her number.Can I get her number? You have your PMs turned off.

[AmanteDeLatina]

This guy in Mesa probably killed the dreams of a few cab drivers I know. I'll be surprised if he's still driving for Discount Cab when this is all said and done.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Mesa-PD-Cab-driver-told-women-they-could-pay-fare-with-sexual-favors-193655651.htmlI used to be a cab driver. I can tell you this happens all the time. I am not sure why this made the news.

One time about 5 years ago I picked up a dancer at the Great Alaskan Bush Company that needed a ride clear out to the east side of Apache Junction! She was looking at about a 80 to 90 dollar cab ride. She offerred to fuck me for the ride. The difference was though that I never asked her. She offerred it to me! I took her to Apache Junction and had a little fun.

I can not tell you how many times when I was working Mill Ave on a Friday or a Saturday night and I would pick up drunk college girls that would offer to flash their tits at me for a ride! It happenned all of the time! I swear, some of those ASU girls do not own cars and use their tits as a ride ticket to get anywhere they want in town!

This is nothing that does not happen all of the time!

[Essential One]

Katie for those who know Katie, she in another bind in life. She has 10 days to come up with 500 dollars or she be walking Indian school again, She has a new number now If you seen her and like visit again, text JamesJ or me. And if your senior stats with posting. Newbie stay home.

[Anotheronedown]

Well, I've been trying to hook up with her since the post to no avail, texting no workie, calls no workie. Finally got a text back that says no availability till after 8pm? Did everybody else book her up?


Katie for those who know Katie, she in another bind in life. She has 10 days to come up with 500 dollars or she be walking Indian school again, She has a new number now If you seen her and like visit again, text JamesJ or me. And if your senior stats with posting. Newbie stay home.

[Papa Rotzi]

When Katie first burst upon the scene, her availability was always "after 9pm". I don't know why. Maybe she's back to an evenings only approach. It's doubtful she's booked up tho.


Well, I've been trying to hook up with her since the post to no avail, texting no workie, calls no workie. Finally got a text back that says no availability till after 8pm? Did everybody else book her up?

[Jack Clear]

I haven't had much time to devote to my hobbies lately for a variety of reasons, but as these things cleared up I found myself doing a little more surfing and shopping. One thing that has always, always pissed me off about this thing of ours is the small minority of guys who are ass kissing bitches on review sites and score girls WAY higher than they ought to. I'm not saying that the diff. Between a 7 and an 8 is getting my blood pressure up, but these guys who sing endless praises about a girl who is average at best. Case in point:

http://www.eros-arizona.com/files/134959.htm

There is no way the girl who shows up when you call her is the same girl in the photos. Trust me, it cost me $260 to find out. She's short, chunky and her face is. Well I don't want to be insulting. Her 'Appearance' ratings on review sites are 7-8's which correspond to 'Attractive' and 'Really Hot'.

Does anyone know WTF the term 'Really Hot' means?

Do us all a favor, guys, be honest. These girls aren't going to read your review and toss you a freebie. You have money, that's all you need.

[Member #4354]

I think the problem is that we all have different taste in woman. What we think is hot may be average to someone else. We may like them big or like them petite. I too have seen providers that someone rated high thinking I am getting someone smoking hot, only to be let down when you meet them. I guess you can say "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"! But them again. It could be the provider just reviewing herself to make us think she is "hot"!


I haven't had much time to devote to my hobbies lately for a variety of reasons, but as these things cleared up I found myself doing a little more surfing and shopping. One thing that has always, always pissed me off about this thing of ours is the small minority of guys who are ass kissing bitches on review sites and score girls WAY higher than they ought to. I'm not saying that the diff. Between a 7 and an 8 is getting my blood pressure up, but these guys who sing endless praises about a girl who is average at best. Case in point:

http://www.eros-arizona.com/files/134959.htm

There is no way the girl who shows up when you call her is the same girl in the photos. Trust me, it cost me $260 to find out. She's short, chunky and her face is. Well I don't want to be insulting. Her 'Appearance' ratings on review sites are 7-8's which correspond to 'Attractive' and 'Really Hot'.

Does anyone know WTF the term 'Really Hot' means?

Do us all a favor, guys, be honest. These girls aren't going to read your review and toss you a freebie. You have money, that's all you need.

[Jack Clear]

I think the problem is that we all have different taste in woman. What we think is hot may be average to someone else. We may like them big or like them petite. I too have seen providers that someone rated high thinking I am getting someone smoking hot, only to be let down when you meet them. I guess you can say "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"! But them again. It could be the provider just reviewing herself to make us think she is "hot"!You are 100% right bro, but that said, there are objective criteria that we can all plainly see. If her photos are clearly a misrepresentation, say that. If she has chubby cheeks and a grill you wouldn't even cook on, say that. Any guy here can tell the diff between a 5 and an 8, despite his personal preference.

[Supaspiffy]

Last week I had what was probably the best sex I've ever had from anybody, and it came from a "provider" who's not really a provider.

I found this jewel on hx of all places. A fresh made account. 0 level, no pics, honestly I didn't even know why I answered it. But I got the impression from all the text exchanges that she is not a normal provider. Completely transparent, answers any questions, and willing to do anything for very little. I asked for pics and she gives me several from every angle I requested. I was not disappointed. She's Irish / native american. 5'3'', 28, probably 120-130 lbs, D cups. Negotiated $.20 for no time limit, multiples, all positions, outcall. Yes I thought it was TGTBT so I googled her real name on the email and tied it to real linked and facebook profiles. The evidence was stacking up for what might actually be a live unicorn. I decided to find out.

So I had her come over. For the first 10 min we just talked. Not unlike an actual date when you're trying to get to know the person. To my surprise, she turned out to be completely normal, which is such a rare delight in this hobby. Once we've warmed up to each other, I started things off with some DATY. Delicious, clean and trimmed. And I can't say that about most girls. I took my time until she was fully satisfied and she was not shy about letting me (or the whole house) know. Then we flipped for some 69 to get my dick warmed up. I flipped her again and mounted her and what followed was 35 min of straight mish, CG, and two back to back orgasms. My god, was that fucking awesome. But as awesome it was for me, I will swear under oath that she in fact, had more fun than I did. She actually loss track of her orgasms, she had so many. The girl is a sex addict no doubt about it.

She stayed a couple more hours, as we just laid in bed talking about random shit. Learned she's been divorced since last year from a hubby she has no desire to fuck, and now is just on the prowl for more sex. She probably would've stayed longer too if she didn't get a call from her daughter. But before she left, we had another go. Started to finger then mish part 2. Ended up being the third orgasm for me! When she was satisfied, she reluctantly dressed up and left. She was already walking towards the car when she turned to me and remembers that I had not compensated her yet. I feigned forgetfulness but actually I was waiting to see how long it would take her to remember. As I gave her the bills I joked how "we were so close into making this whole thing legit, if you hadn't remembered!" She replied,"well it was kinda legit." I kissed her goodbye and promised that we should hang again sometime.

Total damage: $.20 3 hours.

Stay tuned for the part two!

[Supaspiffy]

So as promised, Part 2! If you hadn't read the first part yet, please read it below this post as it'll flow so much better if you do.

Ever since last week, I've been keeping in touch with Mimi through text and facebook. I've been wanting to push my luck and see if I can turn things legit with this girl. I didn't really set my hopes high because I knew it was a daunting challenge since a hoe is always a hoe and a client is always a client. Same idea why you would never be able to go out with a stripper if you meet her in the strip club.

Anyway I asked her out for lunch today and she agreed as long as I take her to a job interview she was scheduled for right after. So I went into this with little expectations other than this was going to be a friendly luncheon. My main goal was to break that "client" barrier and see if I can actually befriend the chick. I was annoyed when I ended up paying for her meal since she had accidentally left her wallet at home and I remember thinking,"great, did this reluctantly just turn into a date? Because now I'm actually investing money on this chick with no promise of pay off. How legitimate is this."

After lunch we went off to the job interview but as luck would have it, she hadn't printed out her resume yet so I suggested we stop by at my place while I print it out for her. We did exactly that, but by the time we printed it, we both knew she wouldn't be able to make it to her interview on time. I apologized, but she was cool with it, saying that she has other interviews lined up. She lies on my bed and we just start talking. She likes to talk a lot but she's chilled and it's mostly personal stories. I'm playing second fiddle as my mind was mostly on chess mode planning out my next moves. I made a move to rub her belly and after finding out she's comfortable with it, I slowly worked my way to her legs and started to rub them under her skirt. She kept talking like it's no big deal so I reached higher and higher inching my way every couple of minutes. Soon I was within crotch striking distance and pretty soon I was rubbing her vj. I told her she's been having a stressful time but I will make it better. I started to take off her panties and moved in for the DATY. She was receptive and enjoyed it like before. I got her to orgasm before I unzipped and mished it. Good, satisfying, legitimate sex. And it was happening.

Up until I dropped her back home I was afraid she was going to charge me as if it was something to expect. But she didn't. In fact as she stepped out of the car she said,"thanks for lunch and thanks for the sex."

No, thank you my dear. That's definitely one for the journal... unless you count the $8 lunch as her "fee". Which makes me wonder...

I hooked up with a chick after paying for her $8 lunch. Not sure if it's prostitution or a cheap date.

[Quipster]

So as promised, Part 2! If you hadn't read the first part yet, please read it below this post as it'll flow so much better if you do.Nice find, it happens sometimes when you search outside the "norm." Not sure I would be sharing the experience though, I'm too selfish and would be hording her all to myself for as long as I could before it starts to turn into "something" more than fucking.

Good job though!

[Member #5432]

Recently I've had some interesting encounters from a dating / fishing site. While I am always hopeful to connect with someone for an ongoing thing, ended up meeting up with two different young black women, both who expected payment for their time.

The first is a very sexy, tall, thin 23 y/o. A real GFE, particularly as she told me she doesn't usually "date" for money. But given I'm like twice her age and married and thus a little out of her usual demographic, it seemed natural to her! LOL Anyway, had a fantastic night. Picked her up and brought her back to my place. We chatted a bit, had some dinner, and she spent the night and asked for $. Two shots that night, and another in the morning before we showered and I took her home.

The second was a bit more on the make 19 y/o, a little thick, but amazing tits and ass and seemed to really enjoy showing off her oral skills. Brought her home and spent about an hour, again ended up paying $, though she kept insisting on $$. Her attitude was a little rougher, shall we say, but she was certainly most willing to please.

I've chatted with a few other women, one who wants me to take her shopping and working on a few others for a 'date. ' In the past I've also had most luck with dating sites. I usually only use free ones. Takes a lot more time and effort though. Also finding which girls are more open minded to a 'booty call'. Not many, but there are some!

[BillyO]

Recently I've had some interesting encounters from a dating / fishing site. While I am always hopeful to connect with someone for an ongoing thing, ended up meeting up with two different young black women, both who expected payment for their time.

The first is a very sexy, tall, thin 23 why / o. A real GFE, particularly as she told me she doesn't usually "date" for money. But given I'm like twice her age and married and thus a little out of her usual demographic, it seemed natural to her! LOL Anyway, had a fantastic night. Picked her up and brought her back to my place. We chatted a bit, had some dinner, and she spent the night and asked for $. Two shots that night, and another in the morning before we showered and I took her home.

The second was a bit more on the make 19 why / o, a little thick, but amazing tits and ass and seemed to really enjoy showing off her oral skills. Brought her home and spent about an hour, again ended up paying $, though she kept insisting on $$. Her attitude was a little rougher, shall we say, but she was certainly most willing to please.

I've chatted with a few other women, one who wants me to take her shopping and working on a few others for a 'date. ' In the past I've also had most luck with dating sites. I usually only use free ones. Takes a lot more time and effort though. Also finding which girls are more open minded to a 'booty call'. Not many, but there are some!Do you mind if I ask which site?

[Member #5432]

Do you mind if I ask which site?I hinted at it in my message, but I've found pof to be the most productive. Free, lots of users, easy to use search features, etc.

[Az Dude]

. As she stepped out of the car she said,"thanks for lunch and thanks for the sex."

No, thank you my dear. That's definitely one for the journal. Unless you count the $8 lunch as her "fee". Which makes me wonder.

I hooked up with a chick after paying for her $8 lunch. Not sure if it's prostitution or a cheap date.The only honorable thing you can do is share the wealth. Pm's should be cleaned up!

Yeah these finds are few and far between. But there. Had a 24yr old from CL that I'd meet up with for all night f*fests while on business travel. Lasted a few years, till her interest waned (as my business trips became more infrequent.)

[BillyO]

I hinted at it in my message, but I've found pof to be the most productive. Free, lots of users, easy to use search features, etc.LOL. Yeah, I guess reading is fundamental.

Thanks

[Supaspiffy]

Kinda blurs the line a little bit when you realize $ is not even what guys often spend on a decent date. Nice dinner. 4.5, drinks. 2.3, show / movie. 2 and yeah it could easily push pass $. This way you skip all the pussy footing around and get to the bottom line.


Recently I've had some interesting encounters from a dating / fishing site. While I am always hopeful to connect with someone for an ongoing thing, ended up meeting up with two different young black women, both who expected payment for their time.

The first is a very sexy, tall, thin 23 why / o. A real GFE, particularly as she told me she doesn't usually "date" for money. But given I'm like twice her age and married and thus a little out of her usual demographic, it seemed natural to her! LOL Anyway, had a fantastic night. Picked her up and brought her back to my place. We chatted a bit, had some dinner, and she spent the night and asked for $. Two shots that night, and another in the morning before we showered and I took her home.

The second was a bit more on the make 19 why / o, a little thick, but amazing tits and ass and seemed to really enjoy showing off her oral skills. Brought her home and spent about an hour, again ended up paying $, though she kept insisting on $$. Her attitude was a little rougher, shall we say, but she was certainly most willing to please.

I've chatted with a few other women, one who wants me to take her shopping and working on a few others for a 'date. ' In the past I've also had most luck with dating sites. I usually only use free ones. Takes a lot more time and effort though. Also finding which girls are more open minded to a 'booty call'. Not many, but there are some!

[Member #5432]

Kinda blurs the line a little bit when you realize $ is not even what guys often spend on a decent date. Nice dinner. 4.5, drinks. 2.3, show / movie. 2 and yeah it could easily push pass $. This way you skip all the pussy footing around and get to the bottom line.There definately is a fine line and there are plenty of women out there who "date" who are really just on the make to be spoiled. Some are more blatant about it, others subtle. Waiting till the wife travels again before I can connect with my young beauties as they out right refused a car date. Chatting with another late-20s white, married woman who also wants to be spoiled for her time. Could be interesting, though scheduling something with a married woman is always a challenge.

Seems there are lots of easy prospects out there for the non-pros. Though there is something exciting about street action that a dating site just can't provide.

[Member #5432]

I'm curious if anyone has ever used any of the phone chat lines (like livelinks) to connect with women? I haven't done it recently, but had an amazing experience last year. They provide a free trial membership and a few of them in fact are the same lines, just different companies, so you in fact can get an hour or two of free time. If you are looking to be discreet.

Last fall checked it out and chatted with a woman. Gave her my number and she called. Turns out she was out with her bf and they both wanted to come over. She would put on a show for me for payment. Probably not the wisest thing I've done, but invited them over. But it was well worth it. He was a bit of a non-stop talking dick, but she was hot as hell. Petite, mid-20s, little tits. Came in and then went to the restroom to change. Came out wearing a see-thru top and a tight mini skirt, pantyless. She danced, stripped, starting sucking him, then both of us before we went to the bedroom. In the end, gave her $ as a gift for her time. She was hot, horny, loved being faced fucked, gagging, and always had a hand playing with herself. I regretfully lost her number and haven't found them again.

I've connected with women in the past using livelinks when I travel too. Seems to be a handy tool. Though you don't always know what you are going to get till you show up.

[Supaspiffy]

There definately is a fine line and there are plenty of women out there who "date" who are really just on the make to be spoiled. Some are more blatant about it, others subtle. Waiting till the wife travels again before I can connect with my young beauties as they out right refused a car date. Chatting with another late-20s white, married woman who also wants to be spoiled for her time. Could be interesting, though scheduling something with a married woman is always a challenge.

Seems there are lots of easy prospects out there for the non-pros. Though there is something exciting about street action that a dating site just can't provide.Seems like you could be a good candidate for ashley madison.

Have you found any place where you can get an authentic casual encounter experience? With no $ involved?

[Member #5432]

Seems like you could be a good candidate for ashley madison.

Have you found any place where you can get an authentic casual encounter experience? With no $ involved?Actually tried AM some years ago. Waste of money to join. I've found it much easier to meet women from more conventional dating sites. And yes, there are quite a few of them that don't charge. Just haven't met any of them here yet. Working on one prospect though.

The most successful and easiest, from past experience, has in fact been Livelinks and affiliated phone chat lines. Many expect a "gift" but it is nothing compared to what one pays a SW or at a MP.

[Jerry8]

Joined a site where you can bid on "dates". So far its been intersesting. Got to chose between a few spinners, nice time with dinner, and fun afterwards. So far its been legit, although I've gotten a few that want outragous $ for a first date. If anyone wants to try it out, send me a message for the site address.

[Supaspiffy]

Got this text from a provider I've seen a couple of times. Since I still feel bad about Mimi being off limits, I'll throw this one to you guys as consolation. She's no Mimi, but she's definitely DTF and not charge.

"Hey its M-------. I just wanted to say if you ever wanted to see me again I wouldn't charge you. You are too nice and I don't feel right charging you LOL "

[TheBeatsGoon]

Anyone have any previous experience with Cheri and Jerry's gblover group? I found them on yahoo and they seem to be based in CA but they make occasional trips to Phoenix. Jut trying to see if they are legit or if it's a cash and dash type thing.

[Anotheronedown]

Anyone have any previous experience with Cheri and Jerry's gblover group? I found them on yahoo and they seem to be based in CA but they make occasional trips to Phoenix. Jut trying to see if they are legit or if it's a cash and dash type thing.Nope, but I am interested! Can you send the link?

[DrPotato]

I didn't know where to best ask this, but anyone have any info on the scene in Rocky Point Mexico? Thinking about going there for a few days next week to chill on the beach, and hopefully, have a lot of fun time with some chicas.

Was there last year for a few days with wife and friends so didn't get to explore much. Thanks.

[Quipster]

I didn't know where to best ask this, but anyone have any info on the scene in Rocky Point Mexico? Thinking about going there for a few days next week to chill on the beach, and hopefully, have a lot of fun time with some chicas.

Was there last year for a few days with wife and friends so didn't get to explore much. Thanks.There are a couple "strip clubs" in town. I don't recall the names and don't think it matters. Go in have a cerveza maybe tequila and choose which girl you want but try not to have her sit with you for more than a minute or two because they will charge you for her time. You will be approached by an amigo who will offer "private time" or something similar. Let him know which girl and he will bring her over. As far as donations; When I was there last year it was $100 for an hour, all covered. I picked a cute as fuck "blonde" and pounded the snot out of her twice in an hour. Paid the amigo and off I went.

[NorthScotts2]

Saw my usual today and when we were saying goodbye, she mentioned that in the last few days 200 girls were busted. I didn't ask how she knew this or anything but I'm sure she has friends that were affected. I asked if that is why she doesn't advertise anymore and she said yes.

Be careful out there and if anyone knows more, please fill us in.

[DavePHX]

Saw my usual today and when we were saying goodbye, she mentioned that in the last few days 200 girls were busted. I didn't ask how she knew this or anything but I'm sure she has friends that were affected. I asked if that is why she doesn't advertise anymore and she said yes.

Be careful out there and if anyone knows more, please fill us in.Yes I put out 3 special reports on the Private List. And went to the protest at Bethany Bible Church. This is Project Rose III. It is Phoenix's pride. Save the sex trafficked prostitutes (all are sex trafficked since no women is capable of choice unless trafficked). So like last fall the police round up from web ads etc as many as they can. Last years II was 84 and this year before it was even over police were bragging on TV newcasts they already had "saved" nearly 100.

They bring out street hookers on TV to tell how they were "saved" via DIGNITY. The Catholic group. When rounded up you are taken to the "Hooker Fair" at Bethany Bible Church and give the option of a six month indoctrination program to restore your "dignity" or go to jail.

Often the only reason they choose a escort is having for example GFE on ad or website since that is by itself deemed an solicitation of prostitution. Mandatory 15 days in Tent City on first offense or if you have someone that helps you (like someone making appointments) its a criminal enterprise felony Lots of massage owners have faced many years in prison and of course 38 at the Phoenix Goddess Temple. Those that have not taken mostly felony pleas are threaten with 20+ years in prison only because of "association" even with no prostitution evidence against them.

Reports have been police cars that find the escorts have huge piles of ads. They can trace phones etc and just go to escorts house (can also get from ad payments via credit card info) and arrest them and in Project Rose haul them to Bethany Bible Church. As shown on TV booths set up for STD testing, drug treatments, clothing etc. It is great for a trafficked pimped street hooker. But most are not street and don't need their services. But choice is 6 month Dignity program or jail.

As reported on media, prosecutors and law enforcement from all over the U.S. came to Phoenix to learn how its done. Phoenix is the model for making the community safer by arresting as many as possible those dangerous sexworkers.

Phoenix has long been ground zero for going after in private consenting adults. We also have lots of bust in the twice annual FBI joint task force national sting.

This sham raises millions of dollars for "save them" organizations, grants to fund vice etc. Guys could care less since they have almost no risk. The workers face prison, being lifetime felons (if not totally only self) etc.

[Member #5432]

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Project-Rose-targets-Valley-sex-trafficking-207979971.html


PHOENIX. A two-day special sex trafficking operation, 'Project Rose, ' aimed to help nearly 100 people picked up off the streets of Phoenix.

The two-part operation focused on arresting traffickers and offering the victims of trafficking a special diversion program.

Police brought dozens of women to Bethany Bible Church over the span of Thursday and Friday. Once inside, they received information about resources available, ranging from medical care, mental health, crisis counseling and housing options.

'I'm like a host here, ' said Sabrina White, a survivor of sex trafficking. 'I greet the women, and I walk them through the process. '

White knows the pain of a lifestyle she endured for nearly 30 years.

'I was 16 when I first started, ' said White. 'I was raped several times, beaten several times. '

White managed to escape the world of sex trafficking through a program she wants others to know about. Project Rose, now an annual event, is a joint effort by Phoenix Police, ASU School of Social Work and Phoenix Prosecutor's Office. It offers a diversion program to those picked up in a two sting operation.

'We use our own officers to go out and solicit to see if that is in fact what they're doing. If it is, and we determine probable cause for their arrest, then we arrest them, and instead of taking them to the revolving door of jail, in, out, back on the street, we have this great program to offer to them, ' said Officer James Holmes of Phoenix Police.

'We have about a 33 percent success rate. A lot of people will say that's not really a lot, but you're talking about 33 lives out of 100 that we've actually saved that's not gone back into the streets, ' said Officer Holmes.

Sabrina White is one of those success stories. She's now returned to school and volunteers in her spare time. She credits the Dignity Diversion program, offered through Catholic Charities, for helping to save her life.

'I would probably be dead now; I'm almost sure, if I had stayed out there any longer, ' said White.

Phoenix police tell 3TV this year they noticed an increase in needs for medical care and crisis counseling. As part of the operation, police gain intelligence and information about sex trafficking in the region.

[Member #5432]

Here is another take:

http://www.bestpracticespolicy.org/2013/05/15/challenging-raids-arizona/

This week, Project ROSE—a collaboration between the Phoenix Police Department, ASU School of Social Work and a number of local service organizations–is conducting a three.

Day raid targeting sex workers and people in the sex trade for arrest. Sex workers and their allies have organized a comprehensive response to these rights violating raids which are planned for May 15, 16 and 17. Advocates have distributed 'know your rights' information amongst communities who may be affected by Project ROSE's raids. A public action protesting the raids is planned on Thursday May 16 at 4. 30 pm in front of the 'command post' at Bethany Bible Church where community members will be transported after their arrest by the Phoenix Police Department.

Project Rose is predicated on the notion that arresting people in the sex trade is the best way to link them to services. This program relies on force, not human rights and harm reduction. Arrestees who are eligible—the program is available to those with no prior arrests for sex work, no outstanding warrants, and not in possession of any drugs at the time of arrest—only have the option of 'diversion' to Project ROSE or incarceration on a prostitution charge.

Sex worker rights advocates in Phoenix are challenging the utility of Project ROSE and are raising concerns about the abuses that arrested community members may experience at the hands of the police and in prisons. 'Project ROSE is not a solution to violence and harm against sex workers, ' said Jenelle Lovelie of the Phoenix chapter of the Sex Workers Outreach Project (SWOP) , adding that, 'Project ROSE criminalizes sex workers and masquerades as a social service project. ' Another local organizer Jaclyn Moskal-Dairman noted that the 'restrictive eligibility criteria for accepting 'diversion' from criminal charges mean that many who will be arrested this week will not be offered services at all. Instead they will be incarcerated. ' In Arizona people arrested under anti-prostitution statutes face a mandatory minimum sentence on their first charge and felony charges after the third arrest. Experience has shown that being incarcerated in Arizona can be a death sentence. In May 2009 Marcia Powell, a woman serving a 27 month sentence for solicitation of prostitution, died after being left in a prison holding cage in the blazing sun without water. Project ROSE would not have assisted Marcia, the program would have imprisoned her because she had several prior arrests for prostitution.

Sex workers and their allies are demanding rights based approaches that work such as peer based outreach programs, comprehensive services and an end to police harassment and arrest. They are adamant that Project ROSE is ineffective and the numbers confirm their claims. Of 214 people arrested since the program began three years ago only about one third complete the diversion program. The fate of the remaining 70% is not clear, but it seems likely given Arizona's tough stance on incarceration that they have been sentenced to jail or prison.

[Kingotis]

This is Project Rose III. It is Phoenix's pride. Save the sex trafficked prostitutes (all are sex trafficked since no women is capable of choice unless trafficked). So like last fall the police round up from web ads etc as many as they can. Last years II was 84 and this year before it was even over police were bragging on TV newcasts they already had "saved" nearly 100.Wow. The felony "enterprise" charge, the religious end of this. It's a shame no one will challenge the constitutionality of the whole approach.

I think I'll just save my mongering for when I get back home.

[NorthScotts2]

Thanks for the info. I agree there are some who definetely don't feel like they have a choice and the help is probably good for these few but most I have met really seem to choose to do what they do because they want to and have control of their situation. I don't have any known experience with those who have management because that scenario seems like trouble. Plus I'd wonder if they are being treated well or fairly by that person. Seems like management is just a leech that takes advantage of the girl. Always worry about getting into a bad situation when management is involved so I stay stay far away. This is an example as to why they should just legalize it.

Thanks again Dave.


Yes I put out 3 special reports on the Private List. And went to the protest at Bethany Bible Church. This is Project Rose III. It is Phoenix's pride. Save the sex trafficked prostitutes (all are sex trafficked since no women is capable of choice unless trafficked). So like last fall the police round up from web ads etc as many as they can. Last years II was 84 and this year before it was even over police were bragging on TV newcasts they already had "saved" nearly 100.

They bring out street hookers on TV to tell how they were "saved" via DIGNITY. The Catholic group. When rounded up you are taken to the "Hooker Fair" at Bethany Bible Church and give the option of a six month indoctrination program to restore your "dignity" or go to jail.

Often the only reason they choose a escort is having for example GFE on ad or website since that is by itself deemed an solicitation of prostitution. Mandatory 15 days in Tent City on first offense or if you have someone that helps you (like someone making appointments) its a criminal enterprise felony Lots of massage owners have faced many years in prison and of course 38 at the Phoenix Goddess Temple. Those that have not taken mostly felony pleas are threaten with 20+ years in prison only because of "association" even with no prostitution evidence against them.

Reports have been police cars that find the escorts have huge piles of ads. They can trace phones etc and just go to escorts house (can also get from ad payments via credit card info) and arrest them and in Project Rose haul them to Bethany Bible Church. As shown on TV booths set up for STD testing, drug treatments, clothing etc. It is great for a trafficked pimped street hooker. But most are not street and don't need their services. But choice is 6 month Dignity program or jail.

As reported on media, prosecutors and law enforcement from all over the USA came to Phoenix to learn how its done. Phoenix is the model for making the community safer by arresting as many as possible those dangerous sexworkers.

Phoenix has long been ground zero for going after in private consenting adults. We also have lots of bust in the twice annual FBI joint task force national sting.

This sham raises millions of dollars for "save them" organizations, grants to fund vice etc. Guys could care less since they have almost no risk. The workers face prison, being lifetime felons (if not totally only self) etc.

[DavePHX]

A public action protesting the raids is planned on Thursday May 16 at 4. 30 pm in front of the 'command post' at Bethany Bible Church where community members will be transported after their arrest by the Phoenix Police Department.There were about 25 pro sexwork protesters there with some good signs. But trying to park within a reasonable walking distance was almost impossible. Many police cars closed off all the Church huge parking lot entrances and I was told it was private property if I was not law enforcement or a volunteer with the Church.

I came a bit after 5PM. No sign of any media. Although ABC15 news had said when covered it they were going to follow up and evaluate whether this made the community safer but nothing so far afterwards.

However, remember SWOP has totally failed in every good idea (I. E. Berkeley voter referendum and in SF) because they insist on the right of street hookers to be a public nuisance. They have no chance of actually getting anything done vs trying to narrow in on private off street no public nuisance private sexwork. Legal in almost all the world except the USA

[DavePHX]

i don't have any known experience with those who have management because that scenario seems like trouble. plus i'd wonder if they are being treated well or fairly by that person. seems like management is just a leech that takes advantage of the girl. always worry about getting into a bad situation when management is involved so i stay stay far away. this is an example as to why they should just legalize it.

thanks again dave.i have known maybe 1000 escorts, owners etc from the private list since 1996 (350 gals plus many guys currently but was over 1500 at one time). while i am sure there are exceptions i do not recall one reported "bad" owner. for the most part workers and management had mutual respect other than maybe minor differences. for example madam rose with zillions of both local and visiting escorts from all over the usa, desert diva's, tlc (now another name and owner runs from out of state) , jacks agency, busy bodies, scottsdale massage and hundreds of others.

what i do wonder about is the asian circuit places. i have never known any of these owners and none of these gals that i know of are in the private list. i suspect some form of "trafficking" or abuse but am not sure. these rotating asian circuits have been around for a decade in phoenix and surprise these seldom get busted vs the many felony busts of

but what kind of trafficking should we be concernd with? it includes all sexwork whether coerced or not.

in canada years ago some of the best agencies were run by the russian mafia. the gals were willing and happy to work for like 2 years very hard, lots of dates to repay their handlers maybe $15-20k to get them to canada. but they were very willing and i knew one quite well who after her debt repaid, became happy married and its easy to get "lost" in the immigration system in canada.

last month in the philippines. huge bust of "sex trafficked ****d" about 100 arrested or treated as "victims"- pictures of buses that hauled them off. it turned out no one was ****d and were very happy bargirls. many were very upset when cellphones taken by police since wanted contact with their good clients.

maybe 90% of the "sex trafficking" and save the children that is emotionally compelling and raises millions of dollars is nothing but a sham. as are the bogus reserach reports of farley and the asu person leading project rose since preaching any women who chooses sexwork has to be emotionally abused.

make in private consenting adult sexwork legal like most of the world and go after the maybe 10% that are the real abuse cases

[DavePHX]

Wow. It's a shame no one will challenge the constitutionality of the whole approach. I think I'll just save my mongering for when I get back home.The time may be right for constitutional challange with recent win in 5th Circuit etc. But few are interested in the cause. Can't raise funding needed for a good lawyer even with one available that wins etc.

Challenge to Prostitution Law To Empower Sexworkers

In contrast to the will always fail strategy of the original SWOP, Desire Alliance etc. There is still fighting with new vigor (especially thanks to Maxine Doogan, Bella COYOTE.RI and a few others) organizing a legal challenge to PRIVATE prostitution laws (NOT STREET HOOKERS! Like SWOP)

There is a 501c3 formed for donations. "Erotic Service Providers Legal, Education and Research Project". http://esplerp.org There is a lawyer encouraging the fight, (Louis Sirkin) who recently won in the 5th Circuit on a adult case where the same Constitutional issues can be raised in an in private prostitution law challenge added to the old Lawrence vs Texas decision and other court rulings.

The problem of course is MONEY (and the right case which is desired in the 9th Circuit).

Guys who are often the wealthy clients could care less since they just want to have sex and have virtually no risk vs the women choosing to work as private escorts etc face sometimes 20+ years in prison since "pleasure" is such a crime uniquely in the USA and Phoenix is ground zero with all the felony charges if more than one person.

Some of the old time supporters of PRIVATE sexwork legal challenges are still fighting such as Norma Jean Axxxxxxxx (Cop to CalGirl book fame decades ago) Bella in RI and others.

While can have informational overload with all the postings the best site for those interested in the fight is.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/coyoteri/

Great 7. 5 minute video of attorney Louis Sirkin who is a leading constitutional lawyer talking about time is ripe to have a constitutional challenge to in private consenting adult prostitution laws. He has won other adult cases as I have detailed previously.

The effort headed by Maxine Dxxxxxis looking for the right case with someone with standing (currently in Court or substantial risk of arrest as I have discussed previously.) While primarily looking for a Calf case, especially seeking 9th Circuit which AZ is also in.

As always, there is the problem of funding such a legal battle. Initially a down payment of $60k is sought.

He argues the Lawrence case that laws can not be based on morality and the long history of legal prostitution around the world and in early USA history. He uses the great Canadian decision that for Harm Reduction the bawdy house law is unconstitutional in Canada (incall vs outcalls always been legal). It of course has nothing to do with trafficking but he points out will have to face that hype.

Outstanding video on fund raising site: http://www.gofundme.com/298mw0

Moderator note: Hopefully a fight against private prostitution laws not considered a commercial link. Forum owners have a lot in the fight especially with the arrest and take over of escorts. Com as well as forum owners increasingly being charged in various states for Criminal Enterprises (felony) for allowing solicitation ads.

[Raymondmid]

I have many years in law enforcement in a big city. All this talk about the changing the laws and the like is wishful thinking. Prostitution is in many ways very similar to the drug laws. Why do you think these laws are on the books? Morality? Do not kid yourself. Without these silly laws you could probably operate most municipal courts systems with about 2/3 to 1/2 half of the people involved. That means less judges, less deputies etc. The biggest hit would be the lawyers- hard for a lawyer now, could imagine it without those laws? Who makes up the majority of most state legislatures? Lawyers- What do the the sons and daughters of lawyers usually do? Lawyers- maybe a judgeship. Do you really think the state legislators will cut their own throats?

[Member #5432]

I don't know the extent to which providers in the US are forced through trafficking. I have no doubt many are, but it seems the vast majority are independent or freely participating. I did have one bad experience overseas. In Dubai. With a young Filippina. I had never used an agency before, and needless to say it has been the last time. She confessed her situation and I then contacted her embassy, however, it took them 2 days before they could sneak her out of my apartment! She had been recruited as a house maid, and then forced into prostitution. She told me she had confessed to 5 other clients, but none of them did anything for her.

But even then, she didn't need "rehabilitation". She just needed help getting back home to her family. Forcing women to go through such programs seems as problematic as forcing them onto the streets. Making them do things against their will!

And how much tax payer money is wasted on these non-sense programs? The righteousness of it all is distrubing and disgusting. Time to legalize prostitution!

[DavePHX]

All this talk about the changing the laws and the like is wishful thinking. Prostitution is in many ways very similar to the drug laws. Why do you think these laws are on the books? Morality? Do not kid yourself. Do you really think the state legislators will cut their own throats?I agree trying to change the law via legislation is impossible.

That is why the fight is either

1) Constitutional challenge like the attorney lately won in the 5th Circuit that it was unconstitutional a law that controlled in private consenting adult sexual conduct. In that case it was adult toys. But I have rewritten that opinion using prostitution with exactly the same Constitutional argument and many think it works including the attorney that won that case and is ready to go to help take such action on private prostitution. The arguments are also solid based on Supreme Court Lawrence vs Texas win. (No laws based on "morality" and the State has no business in private bedrooms). However it was a 5-4 decision and today sadly we have a more conservative "Bush" Court. Hopefully by the time such a challenge got appealed up the chain, we would have a more liberal Supreme Court! But such a fight is costly and no broadbased interest or financial support in the sexwork community.

2) Citizens referendum.with the prime argument as you suggest of the zillions of dollars spent go after crimes with no victims and citizens don't want millions spent on chasing, prosecutors public defenders, court time etc on private sexwork. If voters knew of the Phoenix Temple case where probably $1 million has been spent I think even more conservative voters would be outraged. 20+ in prison threat for 38 wonderful women with very little evidence of any prostitution other than the outspoken spiritual Tantra etc preaching of its founder. Forensic lab spent like 6 months recovering 8 TB of data from 30+ computers from defendants. And none of it will be used at trial (Judge saw it as overreach when there is no single personal drive that will even hold that much data.) In the end total waste of crime lab vs real crimes with actual victims.

I bet SWOP would have won in Berkeley with their referendum not to enforce state law except for the outrage when the public realized it would cover public nuisance street hookers. Similar to the citizens committee in SF years ago. They claim victory only when the public panel members resigned because of the street hooker inclusions and the study was never taken seriously by the city when the public members walked in protest.

Likewise all the massage parlors busts like the big Busy Bodies, Scottsdale Massage etc and of course Desert Divas which showed how to bring felony charges against what should be simple prostitution misdemeanor. Now felony charges are common with threat of many years in prison under a law designed to get drug dealers and the mafia. That is how risky Montgomery and clan think sexual pleasure is in Phoenix

[Nevin]

1) Constitutional challenge like the attorney lately won in the 5th Circuit that it was unconstitutional a law that controlled in private consenting adult sexual conduct. In that case it was adult toys. But I have rewritten that opinion using prostitution with exactly the same Constitutional argument and many think it works including the attorney that won that case and is ready to go to help take such action on private prostitution. The arguments are also solid based on Supreme Court Lawrence vs Texas win. (No laws based on "morality" and the State has no business in private bedrooms). However it was a 5-4 decision and today sadly we have a more conservative "Bush" Court. Hopefully by the time such a challenge got appealed up the chain, we would have a more liberal Supreme Court! But such a fight is costly and no broadbased interest or financial support in the sexwork community.While a referendum is a possibility if the right language is used, Dave I have to disagree with your premise there.

You don't need a *liberal* court (which would be an absolute disaster) you need a LIBERTARIAN court.

It is liberal thinking that believes in "group" & "society" rights and doing what is "fair"; rather than allowing people to follow their own "pursuit of happiness"

Nevin

[DavePHX]

You don't need a *liberal* court (which would be an absolute disaster) you need a LIBERTARIAN court.I deal with what is practical. There is no way we will get a Libertarian Court. Or any major office with such a small percentage of the voters that are Libertarian.

Obviously I agree with them on this issue, but strongly disagree with them on many other issues. But key is while idealist thinking is good if thats your view, again I look to what is practical like the win we had on Lawrence v Texas split 5-4 but with a more liberal Court.

Hopefully the more recent 5th Circuit Appeals Court decision won't try to get Supreme Court Review.

[PartyDiver]

I deal with what is practical. There is no way we will get a Libertarian Court. Or any major office with such a small percentage of the voters that are Libertarian.

Obviously I agree with them on this issue, but strongly disagree with them on many other issues. But key is while idealist thinking is good if thats your view, again I look to what is practical like the win we had on Lawrence v Texas split 5-4 but with a more liberal Court.

Hopefully the more recent 5th Circuit Appeals Court decision won't try to get Supreme Court Review.I am a registered Republican, but I certainly fit more in line with Libertarian views. And I am not the only one out there.

[Nevin]

I am a registered Republican, but I certainly fit more in line with Libertarian views. And I am not the only one out there.As am I. And if we can get the "right" republicans into office we'll shift things in the direction we (here on this forum I believe) want. The focus needs to be on small government, not social (issues) conservatism.

N

[Member #5432]

This is a report about the economics of prostitution in the UK. I can't help but wonder if there are similar issues going on here:

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21578434-old-industry-deep-recession-sex-doesnt-sell

"TIMES are tough for Debbie, a prostitute in western England who runs a private flat with other 'mature ladies'. She does two or three jobs a day. A year ago she was doing eight or nine. She has cut her prices: 'If I hadn't, I wouldn't still be open. '

[Matrix Neo]

This is a report about the economics of prostitution in the UK. I can't help but wonder if there are similar issues going on here:

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21578434-old-industry-deep-recession-sex-doesnt-sell

"TIMES are tough for Debbie, a prostitute in western England who runs a private flat with other 'mature ladies'. She does two or three jobs a day. A year ago she was doing eight or nine. She has cut her prices: 'If I hadn't, I wouldn't still be open. 'I still think sex sells. It just has to be at the right price. Personally I've gone after "working girls" much less than I might have years ago, and tried to find women thru personal ads, social networks, etc.

[Raymondmid]

There is no legislator in the world (Republican or Democrat) that is a lawyer that will cut his / her own throat. They will not cut the throats of their children nor the judges that they have put in place. Money talks and money is in the court system. What would all those unemployed lawyers do? There are only so many people that can lie about social security disability. Please, do not look at this system as if it were legit. It is not.

[Jamesj]

Did anyone else get a PRIVATE message from "ed123" requesting info on Essentialone (aka Intrance)?

There was a 602-380- number included that I was requested to call. The request was some what confusing.

BTW "ed123" has ZERO post.

Please respond here or PM me.

Thanks,

JAMESJ

[Nevin]

Did anyone else get a PRIVATE message from "ed123" requesting info on Essentialone (aka Intrance)?Nope nothing at all

[Papa Rotzi]

NOPE BUT VERY SUSPICIOUS If the request was in and of itself confusing, it was, quite possibly, Intrance himself. The boy can not write coherent sentences to save his arse.


Did anyone else get a PRIVATE message from "ed123" requesting info on Essentialone (aka Intrance)?

There was a 602-380- number included that I was requested to call. The request was some what confusing.

BTW "ed123" has ZERO post.

Please respond here or PM me.

Thanks,

JAMESJ

[Jamesj]

NOPE BUT VERY SUSPICIOUS If the request was in and of itself confusing, it was, quite possibly, Intrance himself. The boy can not write coherent sentences to save his arse.I'm positive it was NOT Intrance.

The sentences where proper grammer. (no way Intrance could write a whole message & do this. LOL)

Just the message it self made no sense.

Does any one think LE could be involved because it also mentioned the infamous Katie & some one being held against their will? (not Katie)

It was focused on finding info about Intrance (aka Essential one).

Will report it to Adm 2.

Thanks,

JAMESJ

[Is Thata Sw]

I just moved here from the east coast, I'm really enjoying the weather and the people all seem very nice and welcoming, which is also my attitude. I'm wondering if anyone has any local talent, maybe girls who are off the radar or not easily found on BP. I'm seeking a low price to reasonably priced (arn't we all?) provider who is worth the time and currency. I enjoy all shapes and sizes. I do have a fetish for older or mature women. But I'll try anyone really.

Any help at all would be appreciated, even a point in the right direction. I like AMP's too. Thanks for any help. I'm a big time reviewer, so I hope to contribute to this board. Talk to you all.

[DrPotato]

My wife wants to get us both a girl to play with. Anyone recommend some local swingers clubs that are good?

[Papa Rotzi]

After a 6 month undercover Investigation. FYI

[Member #4354]

After a 6 month undercover Investigation. FYISaw that on the news this evening. I guess it was a matter of time!

[Barry Burton]

Saw that on the news this evening. I guess it was a matter of time!Http://www.images4sale.com/store/52849#

Only one set sold so far guys, (I was FIRST!) help a local business to claim its legitimacy.

[DrPotato]

After a 6 month undercover Investigation. FYI6 month investigation? You mean cops were going there for 6 months to get laid using tax payer dollars to collect their evidence. Fucking cops.

[DrPotato]

Saw that on the news this evening. I guess it was a matter of time!Http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/20130620phoenix-police-raid-pornography-studio-abrk.html

[DavePHX]

6 month investigation? You mean cops were going there for 6 months to get laid using tax payer dollars to collect their evidence. Fucking cops.6 months is typical. Probably had unmarked watching parking lot and recording and running all the license plates like in the Temple and other cases. Probably sent in undercover cops but they would have stopped before having sex excuse to leave once sex for money established since out of policy to even get naked. But if sent in informants could do more.

They may have sent Christina in to apply for a position as was done in other cases, she is attractive and has a good story about being in the past an escort to get peoples trust having no clue she is a prime under cover vice cop.

4 of the mugshots now up and as expected all have major felony charges related to "criminal enterprise" and more charges will probably be added when the get any financial records like Money Laundering. So far potential terms are 5-20 years in prison or more. Vary by different charges on each so far that are shown.

This can also happen to escorts of two share a house, a driver a boyfriend that gets money. If any other than just 1 lone self is aggressively charged with severe criminal enterprise felonies.

[Tooncinator]

Hi, fellow hobbyists.

I feel sure some of you have fond memories of Ana Bangbang and her fabulous rack. She'd just started working at the Goddess Temple when they got busted. I haven't heard a peep about her since then. Anyone know what's up? I Really enjoyed visiting her (search for my review if interested).

Thanks much!

- Tooncinator

[DavePHX]

Hi, fellow hobbyists.

I feel sure some of you have fond memories of Ana Bangbang and her fabulous rack. She'd just started working at the Goddess Temple when they got busted. I haven't heard a peep about her since then. Anyone know what's up? I Really enjoyed visiting her (search for my review if interested).I hope your sitting down. Be prepared to be unbelievably shocked as I was who has known her for 10+ years:

She has been in Federal Prison since sometime in 2012 as her case and trial got continued. She has not been able to appear related to the Temple case but her Temple Attorney has been faithfully in Court. Judge wanted the Feds to transfer her for Temple case hearings but attorney said Feds do not do that.

From Private List June 2013:

Ana Bang Bang Pleads Guilty in Federal Court.

Pled guilty to Count 10 of indictment. Attempted Armed Bank Robbery. Class B felony.

There is no agreement as to penalty. Maximum is 25 years in prison and $250, 000 fine and 5 years supervised probation after prison. Also agrees to make restitution of up to $100, 000. No probation is available on a Class B felony (similar to manslaughter) until after prison term served.

The Federal Sentencing Guidelines are very complex based on priors etc. Looks like mandatory minimum 4-10 years.

Pled guilty as a co-defendant (with boyfriend) of Attempted Armed Robbery and Aiding and Abetting in the Flagstaff credit union on April 26, 2012.

She says they "spent hours driving around Flagstaff area with (boyfriend) looking for a bank to rob. Him with a gun "using intentional display of force while I waited outside. I was the getaway driver for the robbery. Before we arrived at the credit union, Mr. Andersen put on an elaborate disguise. We each had walkie-talkies to use during the robbery. Two firearms were found on his person"

The court dismisses all the other charges including.

12/2011 Robbery of Chase Bank in Avondale.

1/2012 Robbery of M&I Bank in Peoria.

1/2012 Robbery of Washington Federal Bank in Goodyear.

1/2012 Robbery of M&I Bank in Gilbert.

3/2012 Robbery of Bank of America in Gilbert.

4/2012 Robbery of Compass Bank in Litchfield Park.

2/2012 Robbery of Kirkland Credit Union in Albuquerque, NM.

The Court orders forfeiture of 4 firearms (detail listed with serial numbers) now in custody of FBI.

I don't find a sentencing date yet

[DavePHX]

Http://www.images4sale.com/store/52849#

Only one set sold so far guys, (I was FIRST!) help a local business to claim its legitimacy.She certainly looks better than mugshot now up or as shown on TV in handcuffs, although looks got there also.

[Jonesy47]

Thank goodness I never went there. That pic of Leah almost had me going.

[Tooncinator]

Wow. I definitely did not expect that.

Thanks much, Dave.


I hope your sitting down. Be prepared to be unbelievably shocked as I was who has known her for 10+ years:

She has been in Federal Prison since sometime in 2012 as her case and trial got continued. She has not been able to appear related to the Temple case but her Temple Attorney has been faithfully in Court. Judge wanted the Feds to transfer her for Temple case hearings but attorney said Feds do not do that..

[Mr.Blaze]

Is SWA still open?

[Az Dude]

Wondered when this was going to go down. Seemed to me it was blatantly obvious the place was going to get busted.

Recall they had hidden cameras at the old location, placed in light fixtures / coat rack and other places. Never confirmed they were selling video online though? (pm a link if you have it)

As a course of record, all this would show up or come out as a part of the case and disclosure, will be interesting to see how it pans out.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/inger/Prostitution-Bust-in-Phoenix--212444021.html
http://bit.ly/13XXex1

Their 'link' on rude.com
http://www.rude.com/panacams
A whois search turns up the guys name registered with several online sites.. the main one has gone dark


PHOENIX -- Phoenix police and FBI agents arrested one man and several women during a raid on a Phoenix a business they described as a "house of prostitution" Thursday.
Police say the business, which is located on 40th Street south of University Drive, has been operating for a year under the name New Media Studios. It advertises itself as a self-serve pornography business.

"For $140 for 30 minutes, they would allow customers to come and pick a female and have sex while still photos and videos were taken," Sgt. Steve Marts of the Phoenix Police Department said.

Court papers released Friday showed more detail as to how the operation was running. The documents said the business advertised jobs and its services on backpage.com, an inexpensive classified advertisement website.

A female undercover officer infiltrated the operation according to court documents, pretending to be interested in a job advertised online.

The undercover officer said in her report that Hartwell told her it was a good place to work. According to what Hartwell told the officer, customers would come in and take off their pants for a visual check of their private parts. This, Hartwell reportedly told the officer, always weeded out any potential undercover cops.

The business had been operating for a little more than a year when it was busted. The Phoenix Police Department and the FBI had been investigating the business for six months before gathering enough evidence to serve a search warrant.

Police identified the women arrested as *******
All of the people arrested Thursday night are facing multiple charges, including prostitution.

Police say more arrests are possible as the investigation progresses

[DavePHX]

Maricopa County attorney announces now gong after sound and camera folks at the Studio saying there is no legitimate way to establish a porn business in Arizona, reports CBS 5 news at 5PM today.

They had sound and camera people?

CBS 5 ran again shots of the best and gals in handcuffs

[Papa Rotzi]

The "sound and Camera" people were the customers, I would think. I hope no one we know paid with a credit card or "registered" pre-paid card. Nor used their REAL name when signing in.

Crazy times.


Maricopa County attorney announces now gong after sound and camera folks at the Studio saying there is no legitimate way to establish a porn business in Arizona, reports CBS 5 news at 5PM today.

They had sound and camera people?

CBS 5 ran again shots of the best and gals in handcuffs

[DavePHX]

The "sound and Camera" people were the customers, I would think. I hope no one we know paid with a credit card or "registered" pre-paid card. Nor used their REAL name when signing in.

Crazy times.Yah that is what I thought. If they can I'd any (dah they ran cameras and also filmed themselves?) it will probably be felonies like the others here and other busts recently and face years in prison or plea for probation but a felony record for life.

[DrPotato]

Yah that is what I thought. If they can I'd any (dah they ran cameras and also filmed themselves?) it will probably be felonies like the others here and other busts recently and face years in prison or plea for probation but a felony record for life.Let me know when their tough PR campaign of busting dangerous criminals has run its course. Until then Ill keep my mongering habits south of the border or in Los Angeles.

[Heel Lover]

I think it would be funny if someone used the name Jack Johnson and the detectives went after that singer guy that all the young girls seem to like. I could imagine it. Overpaid gumshoe detective (in puzzled tone of voice) scratching his head "well let's see now, that Jack Johnson fella seems familiar."

[JBoogs1977]

Hey guys, shoot me a PM if you have any good BBBJ experts; my ATF isn't around and I"m looking for a good release this weekend.

Thanks in advance.

[Travelforfun]

Hi,

I'm not in Phoenix very often, but the last couple of times I have been here I have gone to SWA. Even though it was always a bit expensive it was at least a sure thing without too much driving around from the airport area. I went by a couple of days ago when I was in town and it appeared closed. Any idea of what happened? I'm assuming that it is gone for good?

Thanks.

[DavePHX]

Another site Reviews Evidenced in Federal Criminal Complaint.

USA vs xxxx (husband and wife) filed July 16, 2013. 13M626- US DISTRICT COURT EASTERN NY.

34 page NY police detective cross-designated as a federal officer statements for Federal Money Laundering (up to 25 years in prison on each count) for depositing funds from prostitution activities. Agency owner used name of "Melissa Hodge" (fake name not real) operating Aphrodite Companions and their website.

Police detective has many years experience in investigations of prostitution activity operated under the guise of "escort" services.

Escorts trained how to verify clients requiring employment and other screening information.

Agency "furthers its prostitution activities through its relationship with an internet-based review website called 'The Erotic Review' which is also known as 'another site' (web address given) in which johns can read and post reviews and experiences with different prostitutes. The reviews often contain sexually explicit descriptions of the sexual acts performed by the prostitutes. On the another site website each prostitute is assigned a 'another site Number'." (goes on and on about using their another site number on ads, websites etc to advertise by reviews of their illicit services.

From thousands of e-mails obtained by search warrant served on their host AOL, the agency offers discounts to customers who post favorable reviews and "has developed a relationship with a content administrator within the another site community. In exchange for free sex with Aphrodite prostitutes, this individual posts inflated positive reviews of certain prostitutes and negative reviews of prostitutes no longer associated with Aphrodite, but instead competing agencies."

From e-mails with potential escorts they say they don't want drug gals or those that will not provide GFE. Also rejects prostitutes that will not do BBBJ. (Complaint explains all the terms in detail). Also arrangements for prostitutes to meet men, in various states and some in foreign countries (lots of e-mail quotes including $3000 / day fees plus travel expenses. Escort would keep 70.

Page 23 Section C. "another site Reviews Demonstrate that the Escorts Working for Aphrodite are Engaged in Prostitution Activity"

Many reviews quoted from various another site alias names with the usual detailed sexual experiences for two escorts. Police set up an undercover account with another site. In total as of 7/9/2013 Escort 1 (TER160483) had 57 reviews posted. The escorts ads linked to their another site reviews and I'd number. For escort 2 various quotes given including "one of the best blowjobs ever had. Then she got the condom and we went all like crazy. First missionary, then doggy and finally sideways."

Bank account records showed deposits including over $1 million in a Wells Fargo account opened July 13, 2011 up to April 2013.

Shows how these proceeds made to pay mortgage payments on couples Florida home. I assume this tracing is possibly for a seizure of the home under RICO. Also trace a new BMW to the funds.

They also had other accounts from which paid for prostitution ads for example paid Dark Side Productions, Backpage and VibeMedia,"known advertising venues for prostitution agencies." Many small cash deposits noted as escorts instructed how to deposit money from customers for the agency portion.

Arrest warrants are requested and the Complaint as well as all supporting material be ordered sealed which is needed because the case is an ongoing investigation and making public would allow criminals to disseminate them to other criminals on the Internet.

On 7/18/2013 a Federal Detention order was issued and states,"There is a serious risk that the defendant will not appear". They were arrested the same day and appeared for initial arraignment on the same day. The court unsealed the records after the arrest. Also record says,"Proposed bail package insufficient." which I assume means bail proposed by the defendant was not large enough.

Another escort site picked it up and she also is surprised as I am that no MANN Act violation was included at least yet since interstate and foreign arrangements were made by the agency. I believe a grand jury indictment will follow which could include other charges. I believe the using the Complaint may be a faster way to get an arrest warrant based on the probably cause affidavit that was included.

[Jo Kuz]

I'm stuck down here in Yuma for the better part of this week. Does anyone know of any action down here? Don't see much on BP. Any help appreciated. PM me if you want.

[AmanteDeLatina]

I'm stuck down here in Yuma for the better part of this week. Does anyone know of any action down here? Don't see much on BP. Any help appreciated. PM me if you want.Go west of Yuma about 20 minutes and go to the very small, quaint little Mexican border town called Los Algodones. There are two strip clubs that serve as brothels there and it is all fully legal! Very cheap too! You can get action for about $60 (that is full service!). Good looking ladies too. Just go west on Interstate 8 until you get to Andrade Road. It is just over the California border may like a 15 minute drive from Yuma. Go south on Andrade Road and then park at the parking lot on the USA side of the border that the Native American tribe down there runs. Go to either The Green Door or The Hawaii Club for a full fledged brothel with plenty of people that speak English! Girls for only $60 there!

I have a google map below of Los Algodones so that you can find the two places. It is impossible to get lost in Los Algodones because it is so small. And do not worry about the drug cartels there because the place is so freakin small that the drug cartels do not bother with the place. If you go to the International Sex Guide that Jackson operates, you can read about my stories and many others that go there. If you have any questions, PM me. I go there often so I know it well. In fact, you probably have noticed I do not post here very often anymore. The reason why is I got tired of having "to watch my back" from Phoenix police officers so I now go where I have more rights and can do this in the open! I do most of my mongering in Mexico now!

http://goo.gl/maps/DSmIP

[DavePHX]

http://goo.gl/maps/DSmIPGreat summary on ISG and map. Map link here doesn't work but does on other place.

No wonder don't see you around in Phoenix as much. Nice Mexican option for us that don't speak any Spanish.

[Jo Kuz]

Go west of Yuma about 20 minutes and go to the very small, quaint little Mexican border town called Los Algodones. There are two strip clubs that serve as brothels there and it is all fully legal! Very cheap too! You can get action for about $60 (that is full service!). Good looking ladies too. Just go west on Interstate 8 until you get to Andrade Road. It is just over the California border may like a 15 minute drive from Yuma. Go south on Andrade Road and then park at the parking lot on the USA side of the border that the Native American tribe down there runs. Go to either The Green Door or The Hawaii Club for a full fledged brothel with plenty of people that speak English! Girls for only $60 there!

I have a google map below of Los Algodones so that you can find the two places. It is impossible to get lost in Los Algodones because it is so small. And do not worry about the drug cartels there because the place is so freakin small that the drug cartels do not bother with the place. If you go to the International Sex Guide that Jackson operates, you can read about my stories and many others that go there. If you have any questions, PM me. I go there often so I know it well. In fact, you probably have noticed I do not post here very often anymore. The reason why is I got tired of having "to watch my back" from Phoenix police officers so I now go where I have more rights and can do this in the open! I do most of my mongering in Mexico now!

http://goo.gl/maps/DSmIPJon, I pm'd you earliar Thanks for the info. But here it is for everyone else.

Funny but I went into Los Algodones last night, found out about it from some of the guys I work with down here and heard the hotel lobby guy telling someone about how to get there. Found the Green Door and had a few drinks, very cheap. Did not partake in the action this time, saw some pretty good looking babes there and offers to go upstairs. One girl was sitting on the bar and another one on the stool in front of her making out, looked like she was going to go down on her right there, it was great. Didn't have much time and was a little leary, plus I was with another guy and didn't want to leave him sitting. Now that I have your good report I will go back. I'm in Phx for the weekend but will be back in Yuma next week. Did pick up some little blue pills at the Purple Pharmacy, the Generic Version, hope they are safe, good price and no script needed. Thanks for the pricing info, I was wondering about that too.

Hey on another subject stopped in the liquor store just to check prices, Tequilla was a lot more than I pay back east, about 10 bucks more for a bottle of Patron, is this normal for the border towns, I was expecting it to be dirt cheap, just wondering.

Thanks.

Jk

[Papa Rotzi]

I go to Algadones several times / year for some meds. Always stop in to Green Door and the club a block over (Hawaii CLub) Both are legit, ladies vary between the clubs. Sometimes Green Door ladies are better, other times Hawaii girls are better. Normal asking prices are $60 for the girl and $10 or $20 for the room. Figure on 20. 30 min before they bang on the door. Also figure on covered BJ UNLESS you negotiate or ask for BBBJ up front (Suckie sin condom? (sin pronounced "seen" will get the message across). It's OK and a fun diversion if you can get a cute one. As for pills, the purple pharma is the one I use as they are pretty consistent in their prices. Algadones LIVES for the Seniors that show up daily to buy their prescription medications. In 15 years I've never gotten bad meds, and that includes ED drugs. You should be able to buy either Vitamin "V" or Vitamin "C" generics for $2 and $3 respectively. Double that or more for "real", which I really think are professionally packaged generics. As for booze, most alcohol used to be much cheaper down there. But in the past 2 years the prices have escalated to where I can buy at Costco for the same or less. That said, there are a few Tequilas that I like that are all but impossible to buy in the States, so I sometimes pick up a bottle or two. Have fun!


Jon, I pm'd you earliar Thanks for the info. But here it is for everyone else.

Funny but I went into Los Algodones last night, found out about it from some of the guys I work with down here and heard the hotel lobby guy telling someone about how to get there. Found the Green Door and had a few drinks, very cheap. Did not partake in the action this time, saw some pretty good looking babes there and offers to go upstairs. One girl was sitting on the bar and another one on the stool in front of her making out, looked like she was going to go down on her right there, it was great. Didn't have much time and was a little leary, plus I was with another guy and didn't want to leave him sitting. Now that I have your good report I will go back. I'm in Phx for the weekend but will be back in Yuma next week. Did pick up some little blue pills at the Purple Pharmacy, the Generic Version, hope they are safe, good price and no script needed. Thanks for the pricing info, I was wondering about that too.

Hey on another subject stopped in the liquor store just to check prices, Tequilla was a lot more than I pay back east, about 10 bucks more for a bottle of Patron, is this normal for the border towns, I was expecting it to be dirt cheap, just wondering.

Thanks.

Jk

[AmanteDeLatina]

A little word of advice from someone that goes there often, the Hawaii club is better than The Green Door. It has better looking girls. You can use that map I sent you on the main post (http://goo.gl/maps/DSmIP ).

I personally do not drink alcohol due to medical reasons. When I am in Mexico at the brothels I always order agua embotellada (bottled water). I have several friends that do though and they tell me that the grocery store that is in the purple building that is shared by the dentist Dr. Mangana has the cheapest prices. I have a friend down there that always buys tequila and patron at that store. If you go east the very first opportunity you have to go east after crossing the border and then go north the next opportunity you will see a HUGE purple building that is housed by Dr. Mangana (a dentist). The building also has a pharmacy and a grocery store. The booze in that grocery store are quite cheap for tequila and patron. Also, if you smoke you can get really cheap cigarettes there I have been told (I do not smoke). Let me know if you have any further questions and also go to Jackson's other forum, the International Sex Guide (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?434-Los-Algodones- (near-Yuma)) to read about my trips and other people's trips to Los Algodones and other Mexican border towns. Los Algodones is the closest to Phoenix and I recommend it for a first timer since it is very tourist friendly with everyone there speaking English but sometime if you want to travel a bit further or you just happen to be spending time in the San Diego area I would recommend going to Tijuana as it is literally the second largest red light district in the world (second only to Amsterdam). Go to the other forum and you can read about it. I use the same handle on that forum.


Jon, I pm'd you earliar Thanks for the info. But here it is for everyone else.

Funny but I went into Los Algodones last night, found out about it from some of the guys I work with down here and heard the hotel lobby guy telling someone about how to get there. Found the Green Door and had a few drinks, very cheap. Did not partake in the action this time, saw some pretty good looking babes there and offers to go upstairs. One girl was sitting on the bar and another one on the stool in front of her making out, looked like she was going to go down on her right there, it was great. Didn't have much time and was a little leary, plus I was with another guy and didn't want to leave him sitting. Now that I have your good report I will go back. I'm in Phx for the weekend but will be back in Yuma next week. Did pick up some little blue pills at the Purple Pharmacy, the Generic Version, hope they are safe, good price and no script needed. Thanks for the pricing info, I was wondering about that too.

Hey on another subject stopped in the liquor store just to check prices, Tequilla was a lot more than I pay back east, about 10 bucks more for a bottle of Patron, is this normal for the border towns, I was expecting it to be dirt cheap, just wondering.

Thanks.

Jk

[AmanteDeLatina]

Great summary on ISG and map. Map link here doesn't work but does on other place.

No wonder don't see you around in Phoenix as much. Nice Mexican option for us that don't speak any Spanish.For some reason this forum is not recognizing it as a link. If you copy and paste it into a browser it will work (I just tested it). Me and another guy here in Phoenix made and maintain that map for Jackson's other site.

[Papa Rotzi]

Most of what TempeJon says is 100% spot-on. I will clarify a few things from MY perspective. For a while, the Hawaii Club was always better, especially on night shift (keep in mind that the border CLOSES at 10pm sharp. If you are not through the line and back in Cali by that time, you will be sleeping in some rat hole motel in Algadones (not recommended). However, the last few times there, I've found the day shift to be hit or miss at both places (day shift being like 1pm to 6pm or so) Twice now I've found better looking talent at Green Door. I think the girls move around looking for new gringos as well. As for booze, I was referring to the Purple Pharma (they also have a smaller store across the street from the big one). I've shopped all of the liquor stores and the Purple is typically lower or equal to anything else down there, price-wise. That store also has scanners on the walls that you can scan items on and see the price before you check out. I scanned numerous types / brands of booze on the last visit, then compared to Wines and More and Costo. And BOTH were cheaper on virtually anything I was comparing. That was not the case 2+ years ago, but seems to be the case now. Why? Dunno. Maybe peso to dollar valuation or new taxes in Mexico, but for whatever reason, I don't buy down there now. Also, keep in mind that you are only ALLOWED 1 (one) Liter of booze per person duty-free when crossing back. So don't buy more than that. Just go, check out both places and have fun! Enjoy.


For some reason this forum is not recognizing it as a link. If you copy and paste it into a browser it will work (I just tested it). Me and another guy here in Phoenix made and maintain that map for Jackson's other site.

[AmanteDeLatina]

Most of what TempeJon says is 100% spot-on. I will clarify a few things from MY perspective. For a while, the Hawaii Club was always better, especially on night shift (keep in mind that the border CLOSES at 10pm sharp. If you are not through the line and back in Cali by that time, you will be sleeping in some rat hole motel in Algadones (not recommended). However, the last few times there, I've found the day shift to be hit or miss at both places (day shift being like 1pm to 6pm or so) Twice now I've found better looking talent at Green Door. I think the girls move around looking for new gringos as well. As for booze, I was referring to the Purple Pharma (they also have a smaller store across the street from the big one). I've shopped all of the liquor stores and the Purple is typically lower or equal to anything else down there, price-wise. That store also has scanners on the walls that you can scan items on and see the price before you check out. I scanned numerous types / brands of booze on the last visit, then compared to Wines and More and Costo. And BOTH were cheaper on virtually anything I was comparing. That was not the case 2+ years ago, but seems to be the case now. Why? Dunno. Maybe peso to dollar valuation or new taxes in Mexico, but for whatever reason, I don't buy down there now. Also, keep in mind that you are only ALLOWED 1 (one) Liter of booze per person duty-free when crossing back. So don't buy more than that. Just go, check out both places and have fun! Enjoy.If you go to the international forum, about 99 percent of the posters agree that the Green Door is not as good a place. It has a few shady practices that I will not go into detail about here. If you want to know about those go to the international forum. As I said earlier, I do not drink alcohol so I do not know from experience. All I know is that I do have a friend that lives in Yuma (Granjefe from the International Forum) that buys alcohol there all the time and says it is cheap. Also, I will add to what Papa Rotzi said the 1 bottle limit also applies to cigarettes. You are allowed to bring 1 carton of cigarettes over the border.

[Reallly Bored]

Has anyone been there? I was under the assumption that place was gay male friendly. Am I wrong?

[AmanteDeLatina]

Has anyone been there? I was under the assumption that place was gay male friendly. Am I wrong?Shangri La is a nudist resort. You will not find any sexual activities there. If you go there and stare at the ladies they will kick you off the property as they do not like gawkers. It is not really gay or straight. It is nothing that anyone from this board would be interested in.

[Mtnboy49]

Has anyone been there? I was under the assumption that place was gay male friendly. Am I wrong?I went a few years ago. I knew I was in a different place when I placed my clothes in the locker, went into the shower and a lady my age came in and started showering next to me... You got to leave your clothed paradigms in your locker. As said, nothing sexual. A different lifestyle. It is an RV Park with a restaurant and two pools, a volleyball court and a game room with a pool and pingpong (I think) table. Clothing is optional everywhere by everybody. Except the cook in the snack bar. Health Code violations probably. If you are comfortable with the naturist lifestyle, it is a good place. If you think you might get a boner seeing a hot lady in the shower next to you naked. Might ought to stay home.

[PartyDiver]

If you go to the international forum, about 99 percent of the posters agree that the Green Door is not as good a place. It has a few shady practices that I will not go into detail about here. If you want to know about those go to the international forum. As I said earlier, I do not drink alcohol so I do not know from experience. All I know is that I do have a friend that lives in Yuma (Granjefe from the International Forum) that buys alcohol there all the time and says it is cheap. Also, I will add to what Papa Rotzi said the 1 bottle limit also applies to cigarettes. You are allowed to bring 1 carton of cigarettes over the border.It's been about 2 years since I was in Algodones, but used to go about once a month, when work took me to Yuma. I've been to both Hawaii and the Green Door and it always seemed like one was dead and the other was hopping. The border does lock down at night and if you're going to stay over, there is a special area of the parking lot that is for overnight. On the times that I planned to stay over, I arranged for an overnight at the Green Door- the room for the night is slightly more expensive than for the HH. I've never had any issues with getting ripped off or robbed, but I always leave everything other than passport, car key, and enough cash for activities, secured in the car. As for the alcohol prices, I can't speak for Algodones, but the current prices in Guaymas for booze is considerably more than in the US. Tobacco is pretty high too. Maybe the Gov in Mexico is taxing the shit out of everyone now too.

[SmallTownBoy]

Where the best place in town to get a birthday BBBJCIM?

[DavePHX]

Passed City Council June 2013 (Similar new restrictive massage ordinance also)

Now effective since 60 days passed since adopted.

Must have contract with each patron, all ads, websites etc submitted to the city and mandatory 15 days in jail on first offense similar to the Arizona mandatory minimum for prostitution.

License permit # on websites, ads and carry card.

Detailed business records.

Is similar to Phoenix escort licensing law

The City Summary of Law.

Added findings of detrimental secondary effects from escort operations, including health risks and violent crimes.

Revised definitions, adding escort assistant, as a person who provides scheduling, driving, security and other services to escorts.

Eliminated the requirement that escorts work for a licensed escort bureau, to regulate escorts without an official business affiliation.

Added permit requirements for escort assistants to regulate persons who provide scheduling, driving, security and other services to escorts, without an official business affiliation.

Provided for city forms for required record-keeping, to limit issues of incomplete records.

Added requirement to post City permit / license number on all escort advertising anticipated to attract business in the City.

Expanded list of violations to address illegal sexual services provided by illegitimate escorts.

Added mandatory jail time for persons convicted of certain violations of the ordinance.

DETAILS include.

Application to include in addition to full identification, addresses last 5 years and lots of personal data, website and e-mail addresses used for business and fingerprints required (many fees) :

A complete description of the exact nature of the business to be conducted, including advertising theme and method, employment qualifications and copies of contracts to be used with patrons.

Copies of all print and electronic advertisements being used by the applicant.

The person or persons who will have custody of the business records.

All escorts and escort assistants are required to obtain an identification card. This card must be carried on the person of an individual while such person is engaged in the activity of an escort or escort assistant within the city. Such identification shall be displayed upon request of any city police officer or any other law enforcement official.

Sec. 16-469. Records required.

(a) Every escort and escort assistant shall maintain, on city-approved forms, a complete legible written record of every transaction whereby the permit holder acted as an escort or escort assistant. The record shall show the date and hours of each transaction, the location (s) where the escort and patron went, the job capacity of the escort assistant (as applicable) , and the name and telephone number of the patron (s) for whom the permit holder acted as an escort or escort assistant.

(be) Every escort bureau shall maintain, on city-approved forms, a complete legible written record of the following information regarding each employee: name, including any aliases, address, telephone numbers, job title and job description.

(see) Every escort, escort assistant and escort bureau shall maintain a copy of all advertisements used to attract patrons.

(the) Every escort bureau and escort assistant shall: (1) Assist only escorts who have current escort permits issued by the director. (2) Maintain a current list of all escorts assisted by the escort bureau or escort assistant, showing the name and current address of each. (3) Maintain a complete legible written record of which escort is involved in each transaction listed under subsection (a) above.

(g) The escort shall provide to each patron a written contract and receipt of payment for services. The contract shall clearly state the type of services to be performed, the length of time such services shall be performed, the total amount of money such services shall cost the patron, and any special terms or conditions relating to the services to be performed.

Sec. 16-470. Advertisements.

All advertisements used by an escort, escort assistant or escort bureau, and likely to be seen by Scottsdale residents, shall contain the Scottsdale permit or license number of the permit or license holder.

Sec. 16-471. Prohibited activities. (partial list)

(e) It shall be unlawful for an escort assistant to allow an escort to provide sexual services to a patron.

(f) It shall be unlawful for an escort to grope the clothing covering a patron's genitals, or the clothing covering the breasts of a female patron.

(g) It shall be unlawful for an escort to touch himself or herself, or ask a patron to touch himself or herself, on the genitals, buttocks or breasts (of a female patron). (h) It shall be unlawful for an escort to request that a patron take off his or her clothing.

Sec. 16-472. Penalty.

A person who is convicted of a first violation of section 16-471 of this article shall.

Be sentenced to serve at least fifteen consecutive days in jail, and is not eligible for.

Probation or suspension of execution of sentence until the entire sentence is served.

(Longer jail sentences for repeat offenders. Similar to the Arizona mandatory minimums for prostitution)

[Sinical]

Revised definitions, adding escort assistant, as a person who provides scheduling, driving, security and other services to escorts.When they run for re-election, they can put "Created New Jobs" on all their campaign posters.

[DavePHX]

8th circuit rules sex trafficking act applies to customers (johns)

to avoid. never discuss any sex act or abbreviations for money. only respond to ads that state an hourly rate for companionship. never tip for a sex act like in a massage parlor. if you break these rules be sure companion or massage person is over age 18 since in addition to up to 15 years in prison for child sex trafficking (vs 10 years if adult) it is also statutory rape. in police training they assume any ad that says age 26 or younger may actually be a child pretending to be an adult.

the penalty for sex trafficking is up to 10 years in prison if consenting adult and up to 15 yrs if coerced or a minor.

in 2013 the 8th circuit has said 'there is no exception for a customer. ' this decision with extensive 17 page published appeals court opinion may encourage more customer arrests since trafficking law seems to clearly apply to the 'johns' the appeals court reversed the lower court which found the act did not include customers. that is now reversed with a strong opinion.

the 8th circuit ruled:'nothing in the text of sec 1591 expressly limits its provisions to suppliers or suggests congress intended categorically to exclude purchasers or consumers (johns) of commercial sex acts. ' the court rules that 'whoever' and 'obtains' in the act applies to customers.

the case is united states v. (redacted for this forum per rules?) who sadly committed suicide the day before sentencing. the case involved ****d girls advertised on backpage so he faced up to 15 years in prison vs 10 yrs if it was an adult. he agreed to pay $60 for oral sex.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/man-found-dead-in-cedar-falls-was-awaiting-detention-hearing/article_de2b4794-699a-11e2-a51d-0019bb2963f4.html

there are many cases convicting anyone who places an ad on backpage etc for a prostitute is guilty of sex trafficking. also there is federal jurisdiction under interstate commerce when trafficking is online going through servers in various states (united states v. (redacted for this forum per rules?) , or by telephone. the 11th circuit in usa vs (redacted for this forum per rules?) ruled even using a condom manufactured outside of the state was interstate commerce. unlike the mann act there is no requirement that sex trafficked person cross state lines.

after 8 sex trafficking arrests including 4 'johns' in denver march 2013, (redacted for this forum per rules?) , who heads an advocacy group called the sex workers alliance network, believes it is important that laws distinguish between those who work in the industry by choice from those who are being trafficked.

(redacted for this forum per rules?) says the issue of sex trafficking has been seized by activist groups she describes as "abolitionist feminists" and members of ultra-conservative christian groups, as a way to help push their desire to eradicate the sex industry entirely.

sex trafficking and the 'rescue industry' is getting huge grants and donations using the sham its only about children and forced prostitution. 'the law, as it's written, makes the assumption that nobody would possibly ever get into the line of work unless they were brainwashed or forced into it, or they were simply out of control and could not control their bodies, ' said (redacted for this forum per rules?) , the aclu's legal counsel.

in the july 2013 3 day fbi operation 28 adults arrested in phoenix but no data on breakdown of sexworkers vs customers. in chicago 323 adults were arrested but no break-down and 2 ****d 'rescued' and arrested. in chicago the daily heard reports, ' charges stemming from the effort include adult and juvenile felony sex trafficking. '

[LE Watcher]

Is your girl Kristen still around?


I saw Kristin this morning. She is desperate for work. Apparently, the sugar baby thing and all aren't working out too great.

She said she wanted me to post that she is now doing anal. Just 40 more and she assures it will be intense! She really orgasms fast going Greek.

She loves seeing her old clients and she is seeking new clients.

While she is seeking a Sugar Daddy, she is open to anything and EVERYthing is on the menu. From blow and go BBBJCIM to quick FS visits to half nighters and all nighters.

Apparently, Kristin is going through strange times since she cleaned up. Her skin and hair are very soft. She is just lovely! And modelesque at almost 5'8". She is hard bodied and tight!

Kristin really wants to see old clients and says she has more FUn with them but she has changed her phone number so many times, she's lost touch with her old regulars. She assures former clients they will have an f'ing good time!

For those who don't know Kristin, she's been at this for at least a dozen years. She charges the same for incall as outcall. I'd recommend avoiding her trailer because of le knowing and watching her.

She is often broke and runs out of phone minutes but will respond to text messages.

PM me for her number.

[AmanteDeLatina]

I was thinking about something today. A way to avoid stings would be to do all of your transactions in Spanish. Of course, you would be limiting yourself to only Latinas but I would not mind as I actually prefer Latinas. I would venture to say that most undercovers do not speak Spanish. I have never read a story about a John getting busted who spoke Spanish to the undercover. Dave, since you are an expert in the legal area what do you think about this idea?

[Member #5432]

I was thinking about something today. A way to avoid stings would be to do all of your transactions in Spanish. Of course, you would be limiting yourself to only Latinas but I would not mind as I actually prefer Latinas. I would venture to say that most undercovers do not speak Spanish. I have never read a story about a John getting busted who spoke Spanish to the undercover. Dave, since you are an expert in the legal area what do you think about this idea?I don't think there is any particular legal protection one gets by speaking Spanish. Your suggestion is based on the assumption that no undercover cops are Latina. Which may, or may not be the case. I also doubt too many stories of busted johns are particularly concerned with the language of the transaction and thus wouldn't reflect the ethnicity of the undercover cop. In fact, most such stories probably say very little about the undercover cop to protect her identity.

Seems like a nice way to favor the Latinas though!

[Jamesj]

Before U flame an old timer, I know this report should be posted in the International Sex forum.

WTS, many from Arizona (PHX) may be interested in my report.

Decided to check things out south of the border.

Fueled the bike up & 3 hours later (took my time, LE every place on 85 & Int. 8) , I'm at the Border.

Very few vehicles in parking lot.

5 minutes later I'm walking past "the Green Door" about 2:45PM. Streets / everything very sparse. Decided to find the Hawaiian Club. A block over & around the corner, I'm walking in.

It was VEY dark inside. I was the only customer & was approached by a very nice l looking lady. I told her I just wanted to chill & check the place out (she excused herself). A dude (very polite) asked if I wanted a drink. I ordered DIET COKE (Not a booze drinker, + I'm on the 2 wheeler). They did not have any, but said to wait a few minutes as a guy left to get some. It gave me about 5 minutes to scope the scenery out. 5 or 6 NICE looking young ladies visiting with each other. He returned (2 bucks) and had me sit in an area under the air conditioning vent. By this time a raggy looking dude came in & sat at the bar. He was approach by a lady & they engaged for a bit, then she went back to the others. I spotted a nice little vixen in a short white dress and made eye contact. She approached and started chit chat. EXCELLENT English (a plus for me). Ordered her a drink 10 bucks (high way robbery) She was about 5'1" built with nice man made bolt ons, Great figure (firm legs) , only draw back face maybe a 6 or 7. Discuss price (asked for. 60 +.20 room) She settled for. 50 + room fee.

Paid the "waiter'".20 and was led up the steps behind the bar.

Room was cool, but not the best. We discussed (prior to our financial arrangement) what was on the menu. Every thing except GREEK.

This gal was new (her 8th day she said) , had been married to an American service man (he mistreated her) and was 27. She got the bolt ons after divorce with settlement. Glad our TAX money wound up on something I could enjoy! (LOL) Stripped to reveal a magnificent body. Started with kissing, Russian, French, ball kissing / sucking, Cow Girl, reverse CG & final miss. What ever I wanted, was her command. Finished in about 35 minutes & was on the way down when the "chamber maid " met us at the bottom of steps. She kissed me good by (near door) and ask I return! What a bargain compared to the BS *hor*s in the PHX area.

Will repeat & rent another! (LOL)

JAMESJ

[DavePHX]

Scottsdale PD seems to be Dialing for Dollars again tonight.

Be safe and follow the golden rules. Never discuss money for anything sexual like GFE etc that is illegal. Respond to or write only ads with hourly stated rates for companionship so never discuss by phone or initially in person. Never use GFE or worse terms in ads since that is a slam dunk solicitation bust 15 days to 10 years in prison depending on situation. Worse if under aged involved.

Looks like Scottsdale is very active tonight. Everyone involved believes at least is sting again, although may now be doing continuously since need to replace the decline in DUI fines for budget deficit and police increased salaries etc.

As of about 6PM Tues 8/27 targeting high end Scottsdale (but could be broader) companions. They seem to be going where the money is. High end. For possible RICO gains as Scottsdale needs funding. Includes well known $400 / hr Scottsdale companion reporting it.

The usual fake references. More than one cop by different sounding voices. Seem to be "dialing for dollars " to find people to arrest

More details due to legal issues only shared you know where and alert went out about 7PM.

It is noted Scottsdale DUI arrests are way down with the bars trying to get late night drunks into Taxis and not drive. So DUI fine revenue is way down so the suggestion is they see companion busts either for prostitution if say the wrong thing or escorting without licenses with the new Scottsdale expanded law as a replacement revenue source.

Also noted that Scottsdale has both a large police budget and debt so needs fines and any potential RICO income from sizures.

AZ Republic 5/29/13. Scottsdale has taken on new debt to pay for such things as its McDowell Sonoran Preserve and an expansion at the Tony Nelssen Equestrian Center. Now, city officials say the price tag for these investments is the prevailing reason that Scottsdale's debt per capita — the money per resident that Scottsdale has borrowed and must pay back — ranks the highest among eight major Valley cities.

AZ Republic 5/28/12. Scottsdale officials are debating the cost of offering top-notch police and fire protection to citizens, a service that consumes the biggest chunk of the city's budget for basic operations. Some elected officials have questioned the high price tag of the public-safety division, saying the city has cut back in other departments but hasn't considered streamlining police and fire.

Critics cite a statistic that show Scottsdale outranks all major Valley cities except for Phoenix in public-safety employees per capita. Scottsdale has 4. 3 public-safety employees per 1, 000 residents, compared with 4. 1 in Tempe. 3.9 in Glendale and 3. 8 in Mesa, data compiled by Scottsdale shows.

"The point is, how much public safety can the city afford? How much should they afford?" Scottsdale City Councilman Ron McCullagh said at a recent council meeting."Let's look at it from the standpoint of the budget." and "High pay is necessary to attract and retain top officers."

Councilman Bob Littlefield opposes any cuts to public safety. In Scottsdale, the crime rate fell by 14 percent during the first two months of 2012 compared with the same time in 2011."Scottsdale's low crime rate is due precisely to the resources we currently invest," Littlefield said.

But argue low pay scales for lower officers with increases in 2013

Scottsdale Mayor Jim Lane said the crux of the concern lies in the starting salary for police officers, noting that mid- and upper-end salaries "are not really in trouble." A Scottsdale compensation study showed the city's police officers take home the lowest starting pay of any major Valley city. Scottsdale pays its rookie officers an average of $49, 878. Gilbert is next lowest, paying its new officers $50, 544."What we're seeing is we're no longer competitive," said Jim Hill, president of the Police Officers of Scottsdale Association, at a council meeting.

With the economy in recovery mode, the Scottsdale City Council tentatively has backed a plan to spend $3. 3 million on raises and salary adjustments for eligible employees next fiscal year. The plan would offer merit pay raises to high-qualifying workers and bump up the salaries of about 420 workers whose pay lags others in the market.

Public safety in the Valley

Phoenix ranks highest in the number of public-safety employees per 1, 000 residents. The 2011-12 numbers are based on preliminary data compiled by Scottsdale. Cities and their public-safety employees per 1, 000 residents:

Phoenix: 4. 5

Scottsdale: 4. 3

Tempe: 4. 1

Glendale: 3. 9

Mesa: 3. 8

Chandler: 2. 9

Peoria: 2. 9

Gilbert: 2. 6

Dave concludes to maybe to help solve the budget issues and pay police more lets really dig in on the war on in private consenting adult companions where the real money is from fines, RICO taking of homes and property etc. Go where the money is. The upper level Scottsdale companions.

[LoneWinds]

Posted about this site before, and it continues to work for me. Had action with several beautiful women so far. Will suggest if you try the one month subscription, pop for the "verified" option as well. I probably get 10 emails a day, often corresponding to the areas I travel, and search online for. They have a feature that allows the women to see who's viewed them, so. I get lots that way.

Reason for writing this time is that I got an unsolicited msg from a VERY well known older porn star, who apparently is trying to go mainstream. Many of you may know her from the "My friends hot mom" series of clips. We've exchanged a few short emails, and I talked to her on the phone, just to verify it was her, southern accent and all. Haven't followed up, cause it would require a trip cross country, but who knows?

As a side note, many of the 40+ lookers aren't really in it for the money. I guess it's just the thought of getting older, and not getting it regular that scares them somewhat.

[MrClean2]

I got a text from a woman in Phoenix last week that I had reached out to her about 2 months ago. I asked who this was, and she seemed to have pretty good details about what we texted about and what I was looking for. She said she had posted outcall on backpage, but got too may crazies and decided to back out. What was strange is that when I asked for the number which she used, she said,"I don't remember it", yet she remembered where I was from and what I wanted? ODD!

Well. After exchanging text for like 3hrs, she's got me convinced she's real, but, there is still that small voice that says,"don't trust". She offered to meet for coffee or something, and if all went well, we could go back to her house, but again, not sure what's the deal.

Anyone had anything like this happen? This girls name is Angie, Angel, something like that.

[MacGuy77]

I got a text from a woman in Phoenix last week that I had reached out to her about 2 months ago. I asked who this was, and she seemed to have pretty good details about what we texted about and what I was looking for. She said she had posted outcall on backpage, but got too may crazies and decided to back out. What was strange is that when I asked for the number which she used, she said,"I don't remember it", yet she remembered where I was from and what I wanted? ODD!

Well. After exchanging text for like 3hrs, she's got me convinced she's real, but, there is still that small voice that says,"don't trust". She offered to meet for coffee or something, and if all went well, we could go back to her house, but again, not sure what's the deal.

Anyone had anything like this happen? This girls name is Angie, Angel, something like that.I've had almost an almost identical situation happen to me with a female who said she was in North Scottsdale. It smelled very fishy to me. Months after the fact, a random text in the middle of the day from a number I don't recognize about a post I had responded to on BP, but the person will not voice verify anything, can't tell me anything about their post, how I got in touch with them or anything else. (I regularly purge my phone and email. Don't want my other half to catch on to my hobby, so it's kind of a blank, I can't go back and look myself.) She also said that we could meet in public for a coffee and depending on how it went we could go back to her apartment, and mentioned a specific Dunkin' Donuts, I know has very limited entry and exit to the parking lot, and the store itself is super limited entry and exit. The one off the 101 near Costco in North Scottsdale, so you can very easily be boxes in (a red flag.) The number I was being messaged from turned out to be a google voice SMS number (red flag.) The person would not talk to me on the phone (red flag.) The person could tell me nothing about the post or how I got in touch with them (red flag.)

Bottom line the police have been busting posters and then using their information to bag the clients who were contacting the posters for their services. If it doesn't feel right, follow your gut. If something seems wrong it most likely is.

[Member #5432]

Decided to try placing an ad of my own on CL just out of curiosity. While most were bots, got two real responses that actually followed up. Met one this afternoon. Wow! Hot young, tall black girl in central Phoenix, staying at a nice, clean and safe place. Very professional, clean, and quite sexy. She never asked for money up front, did not check her phone (though it did beep a couple of times) , and stayed naked afterwards cleaning up as I dressed. In fact, she never even counted the money that I left on the counter before leaving. Offered a towel, mouthwash, and soap to clean up myself as well. Very comfortable, very safe. She apparently posts an ad now and then, but didn't want her contact info to be shared. You might try posting your own ad and seeing if she replies. You'll know it when she does. Or you can verify with me via pm if you aren't too comfortable meeting girls off of CL.

She is very chatty, makes you feel very comfortable and seems quite appreciative.

I opted for a low budget menu option, but most things were on the table.

65 naked, DATY, HJ, hhr.

$ includes BJ.

Forgot to ask for an hr / FS

[MrClean2]

I've had almost an almost identical situation happen to me with a female who said she was in North Scottsdale. It smelled very fishy to me. Months after the fact, a random text in the middle of the day from a number I don't recognize about a post I had responded to on BP, but the person will not voice verify anything, can't tell me anything about their post, how I got in touch with them or anything else. (I regularly purge my phone and email. Don't want my other half to catch on to my hobby, so it's kind of a blank, I can't go back and look myself.) She also said that we could meet in public for a coffee and depending on how it went we could go back to her apartment, and mentioned a specific Dunkin' Donuts, I know has very limited entry and exit to the parking lot, and the store itself is super limited entry and exit. The one off the 101 near Costco in North Scottsdale, so you can very easily be boxes in (a red flag.) The number I was being messaged from turned out to be a google voice SMS number (red flag.) The person would not talk to me on the phone (red flag.) The person could tell me nothing about the post or how I got in touch with them (red flag.)

Bottom line the police have been busting posters and then using their information to bag the clients who were contacting the posters for their services. If it doesn't feel right, follow your gut. If something seems wrong it most likely is.Yeah. What's odd though is that this chick didn't mind me picking the location to meet for coffee. Which I would think would be out of LE's comfort zone if they can't control the situation. This girl at first didn't want to really mention details, donations, etc. If I remember, she asked what I was willing to offer. To me, that was a big red flag. But, after more text time, and phone time, she opened up, said she'd do BB, but only in mouth and ass, to use her words. That kinda killed the red flags, but she soon has become very detached. Of the other times we've talked on the phone, she said she was taking her boys to church, going to get another tat, etc. So, that kinda put me at ease, but not enough to take the plunge.

[Noblesavage01]

Question for all you fine gentlemen,

Have you ever had your car breakdown while you were out mongering?

Couple days ago decide to visit BM, and spent some time with a little Hottie. Man she really got into it, but it was not working out for me. Called it quits and Started out towards the west valley for a little Latin Dream. Was on grand river when the car starts overheating and I had to pull into a parking lot. Of all places it was ABC.

Called triple A. She asked my location and I mentioned ABC. She could not find it, I laughed and asked her to tell the tow truck guy to pick me up from ABC and he would know exactly where it was. Good thing I had triple A, and did not have to call my SO to come give me a ride from a strip club, that would suck, and Honey they had two for one Beer on tap wouldn't cut it. Was wicked hot that day and I was more pissed off that I had to go home with Blue Balls than the car breaking down.

Hope that nothing untoward happens while out mongering that no amount of explaining would fix.

-NS

[Member #4354]

[Deleted by Admin]

Greetings Everyone,

Stomp06 posted that he/she will no longer be participating in the forum.

Pursuant to Forum Policy, I have deleted this resignation post and retired his/her membership.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Newbie80]

Please tell all, you might be saving someones life. What happend?

[Wally3349]

Hope all works out well for you. Your reports will be missed on USASG. Good luck!

[AmanteDeLatina]

Question for all you fine gentlemen,

Have you ever had your car breakdown while you were out mongering?

-NSAbout 20 years ago in a different city (not here in Phoenix) I was out mongering in the red light area of town and picked up a lady and then my car would not start. Believe it or not, the girl called her pimp and the pimp came over and gave me a jump start!

[Cracker]

Do to circumstances beyond my control, well not really because I was in control of my own actions! I have decided to give up this game we play. Unfortunately I have acquired a something from playing. Because of this my life will change drastically. I knew the risks I was taking when I first started to play. I have been playing this game for maybe 15 years now and in the back of my mind I knew the risks but maybe I felt immortal at times and continued to play. I took precautions with whoever I played with but there is no guarantees that you may get something. Now I must face what is ahead of me and hope for the best. I am not trying to change your minds about playing but only saying be safe out there. I will miss this game because I did have a lot fun playing and will miss my ATF's but I will no longer posting on this site because I will be retiring.It sounds like what you have is not going to be treated with a course of antibiotics and I am sorry to hear that. I guess without knowing the details the only thing I can say is that if it is the worse case scenario, medicine has become better at managing it. The one STD I got years ago was not from a provider, but a girl I had met at a party. She seemed pretty normal and she was for the most part, but it was a bad idea to skip the condom during the heat of the moment. Fortunately MEDs cleared it up, but it sure made me cautious, considering all the different STD types out there. Take care and try an keep your spirits up through your ordeals.

[Member #4360]

Open question. I visit providers who work from home. Most of the providers I have visited over the years provide a great massage and in some cases a he. That being said they have a life outside of their work, family friends etc A young single mom I had been seeing related a story that happened to her after someone wrote a review about her. Within days she was bombarded with texts emails with pic requests questions regarding FS, CBJ etc. And then on a weekday while she was in the yard someone showed up at her house thinking she did Walk-ins this while her daughter was in the yard with her. She made the mistake of using a phone number in her ad that she had used on a online resume. The monger who showed up googled her number and got an address off the resume.

Now to my question is it appropriate to post reviews for these type of providers I would not consider them sex workers per se just working to make ends meet. Do you ask permission if its ok to post a review or use your best judgement on a case by case basis. I have many regulars I would like to share but I would hate to see them go underground after a review.

[Member #5432]

Open question. I visit providers who work from home. Most of the providers I have visited over the years provide a great massage and in some cases a he. That being said they have a life outside of their work, family friends etc A young single mom I had been seeing related a story that happened to her after someone wrote a review about her. Within days she was bombarded with texts emails with pic requests questions regarding FS, CBJ etc. And then on a weekday while she was in the yard someone showed up at her house thinking she did Walk-ins this while her daughter was in the yard with her. She made the mistake of using a phone number in her ad that she had used on a online resume. The monger who showed up googled her number and got an address off the resume.

Now to my question is it appropriate to post reviews for these type of providers I would not consider them sex workers per se just working to make ends meet. Do you ask permission if its ok to post a review or use your best judgement on a case by case basis. I have many regulars I would like to share but I would hate to see them go underground after a review.If one has to go get an address off a resume and then think walk-ins were available, that is just moronic and oh so wrong! Pathetic, particularly when there are so many massage places and providers available.

While I consider myself still all new to this, the few provides I've met that are more doing something on the side I've just asked them when everything was done if they would like me to write a review or include their number or email. Some say yes, some no. It should be their option to how out there they want to be. JMHO

[Jonesy47]

After reading that stomp06 has called it quits for something very serious and also hearing that the porn has shut down due to a Valley performer and her bf testing positive for HIV. The one link between that is the performer who can be looked up. If you look up on the performer's rumors, just hear say mind you. That there was BBFS / pnp involved, so I'm going to hang back for awhile. You just don't know how far it goes. Also this performer also recently filmed two gloryhole appearances here in the valley. Idk, I like sharing the info good and bad with my experiences, but don't want to go out for something I could prevented. Just saying guys.

[PMaxP]

Open question. I visit providers who work from home. Most of the providers I have visited over the years provide a great massage and in some cases a he. That being said they have a life outside of their work, family friends etc A young single mom I had been seeing related a story that happened to her after someone wrote a review about her. Within days she was bombarded with texts emails with pic requests questions regarding FS, CBJ etc. And then on a weekday while she was in the yard someone showed up at her house thinking she did Walk-ins this while her daughter was in the yard with her. She made the mistake of using a phone number in her ad that she had used on a online resume. The monger who showed up googled her number and got an address off the resume.

Now to my question is it appropriate to post reviews for these type of providers I would not consider them sex workers per se just working to make ends meet. Do you ask permission if its ok to post a review or use your best judgement on a case by case basis. I have many regulars I would like to share but I would hate to see them go underground after a review.I let the girl know after the session, I feel like it would be condescending to let them know that you write reviews beforehand. I usually just say,"Hey I write reviews after these kinds of visits, do you mind if I write one about our time together?" I've only had one girl that didn't want me to write about her, and her excuse was that she worked out of the ghetto and the guys that were seeing her didn't care about reviews.

[Higgs Boson]

After decades of chewing my nails and cuticles, I have this behavior somewhat under control and my fingers are looking much nicer.

It's time to consider a manicure. Have you every had a woman tell you a man with manicured hands was sexy? I have. (Strip club dancers don't count. They'll tell you anything if you still have a ten spot in your wallet) It occurred to me that perhaps there was a shop / salon out there with some hot manicurist. Anyone have any recommendations? I'm not thinking of a FS in-call or mp situation but if I'm going to get a manicure, it might as well be done by someone friendly, attractive and sexy. Hey, she gets to hold my hands! Prefer a location somewhere in Phoenix.

Higgs

[Member #5432]

Thought this might be of interest to some and having recently visited the ASU campus I was personally quite impressed with the young bodies on display. Lots of skin. If half those girls were walking along 32nd or 27th or Bell, they'd be having the cars lining up. Some of the comments at the end of the article are classic.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/tempe/dating-website-claims-68-percent-of-asu-students-want-sugar-daddy

TEMPE, AZ. An increasing number of ASU college students are turning to "sugar daddies" to pay for college, according a dating website.

"Seeking Arrangements" is a website that pairs older wealthy men (sugar daddies) with young women (sugar babies) , for money.

The company conducted a poll among 900 ASU students to find out why students could use a sugar daddy and 68 percent responded they could use one "to help pay their tuition, housing or textbook fees."

According to the company, nearly 400 ASU students are registered as sugar babies on its website, that's an increase from 318 in January 2013.

Seeking Arrangements says ASU ranks 6th on its list of top sugar baby schools in 2012.

Approximately 900 students participated and 68 percent of female students agreed that they could use a sugar daddy to help pay their way through college.

'The cost of tuition is rising at a faster rate than the median family income, ' says Brandon Wade, Founder and CEO of Seeking Arrangements.

'This alone makes it harder for families to keep up with the cost of higher education, leaving students in charge of their financial futures. Why bury yourself in loans that accrue interest if you don't have to?"

Seeking Arrangements has over two million members. The company says 44 percent of its registered sugar babies are college students.

Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/tempe/dating-website-claims-68-percent-of-asu-students-want-sugar-daddy#ixzz2emmQOu8r

[Jerry8]

Try "whatsyourprice". Half the girls list student as their occupation. Been having a good time there.

[Supaspiffy]

Don't really know where to post this but anyone selling?

[GoodOldMonger]

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GOM

[SmallTownBoy]

Has anyone had luck or can give out some feedback which is the best site to find. Something to eat or to play with.

Fling.

Erotic Ad's.

XXXBlackBook.

Ashley Madison.

Arizona Dating

[Member #5432]

Has anyone had luck or can give out some feedback which is the best site to find. Something to eat or to play with.

Fling.

Erotic Ad's.

XXXBlackBook.

Ashley Madison.

Arizona DatingI have not used any of those sites, but two that you are guaranteed in making some playful connections with are:

Seekingarrangement.

Whatsyourprice.

Will be curious what others have to say about some of these "dating" sites.

[Stomp2]

Maybe some of you remember me as Stomp06. My account was deleted by the administer after stating I was not going to post anymore after I was diagnosed or I thought I was diagnosed with something that would of changed my life forever! Luckily I did get a second opinion and further testing, Everthing turned out OK. I decided to get back in the game and start having a good time again. I will continue to take every precaution playing and maybe take extra precautions too. I had close to 100 post before my account was deleted by the administer so I will be starting from the beginning to get back to senior status.

[Newbie80]

Maybe some of you remember me as Stomp06. My account was deleted by the administer after stating I was not going to post anymore after I was diagnosed or I thought I was diagnosed with something that would of changed my life forever! Luckily I did get a second opinion and further testing, Everthing turned out OK. I decided to get back in the game and start having a good time again. I will continue to take every precaution playing and maybe take extra precautions too. I had close to 100 post before my account was deleted by the administer so I will be starting from the beginning to get back to senior status.I'm glad your ok. You scared me off sex for a while.

[Stomp2]

I'm glad your ok. You scared me off sex for a while.Hopefully I did not scare too many away! This is kind of like getting back on a horse after falling off!

[DavePHX]

As most folks know Project ROSE 5 roundup just completed again in Phoenix at Bethany Bible Church. While advertised as for street work we know many well known private escorts have been picked up from ads etc. One well known for years who teaches Tantra massage classes for years etc, as well as regular private companions that have never been on the streets.

THIS TYPE OF REPORTING NEEDS TO GET REPORTED BY PHOENIX MEDIA!

QUESTIONABLE PRACTICES: ARRESTING PEOPLE “FOR THEIR OWN GOOD” VIOLATES SOCIAL WORK ETHICS This is one of the best articles I've read - a succinct analysis of the ethical considerations associated with diversion programs that arrest people in the sex trade in order to force them to accept services.

Highlights of much longer article:

The example that sparked the writing of the AFFILIA editorial is Project ROSE, a program in which social workers from Arizona State University School of Social Work and some service providers collaborate with city wide raids orchestrated by the Phoenix Police Department. AFFILIA is a peer reviewed social work journal addressing the concerns of social workers and their clients

Project ROSE is found to violate ethical standards described in the National Association of Social Workers (NASW) Code of Ethics, the Council on Social Work Education Educational Policy and Accreditation Standards, and the International Federation of Social Work Ethical Principles.

Informed consent–an essential element of social work practice and the standard in many other professions–is violated because the services provided rely on recruitment via ”massive police (in this case 125 officers) sting operations. If targeted sex workers (and people profiled as sex workers) reject the ‘offer’ to enter the diversion program and/or if they fail to successfully complete a diversion program… they face criminal prosecution.”

On one side of the debate are sex workers and feminists who emphasize the importance of sex workers’ rights and understand sex work as potentially liberating and empowering. On the other side are those who believe sex work is exploitive, casting sex workers as coerced victims.

It is time to seriously grapple with the ethical considerations involved with social work practice focused on people in the sex industry.

Schools of Social Work and social work in general should not be in the business of arresting people for their own good.

Many legal scholars have questioned and critiqued diversion programs on the basis of equity and procedural concern (Orr et al., 2009), efficacy (Bolt, 2010), and constitutional concerns such as double jeopardy (i.e., when prosecution on the original prostitution charge is enacted and a conviction with punishment occurs as a result of an individual being unable to meet the program requirements) and lack of authority (Brown vs. State of Maryland, 2009).

Specific critiques and problems with prostitution diversion programs argue that they tend to ‘‘encourage special interest control of criminal courts, foster undesirable police and judicial practices, and fail to meaningfully address societal problems, specifically the criminalization or prostitution’’ (Quinn, 2006, p. 145).

Special interest control of prostitution diversion programs include, but are not limited to, politicians, police officers, business people, district attorneys, and social workers interested in suppressing sex work for religious, moral, social, and political reasons. These particular stakeholders stand to benefit from prostitution diversion programs, as they may be viewed as resolving a social problem, ‘‘tough on crime’’ and/or saviors of those incapable of helping or saving themselves. Social workers and social service organization stand to benefit from such programs through jobs, grants, funding, and yes. ... publications.

While prostitution diversion programs with social work involvement are not unique to Phoenix (Wahab, 2005, 2006), this is the first highly publicized instance, we are aware of, where social workers and a School of Social Work advocated for targeting sex workers through law enforcement (City of Phoenix, 2013: KTVK, 2013a; 2013b).

We now turn to the heart of our outrage. Programs like Project ROSE cause harm ‘‘under the cover of kindness’’ (Margolin, 1997). Despite claims made in 2012 after a similar sting that ‘‘clients received options for safe housing, crisis mental health counseling, medical services, options for detox and drug treatment, food, clothes and their initial interview for the Diversion Program provided by Catholic Charities, and most significantly, the opportunity to change their life’’ (http://phoenix.gov/police/R.O.S.E.ii.html), targeting people for arrest in order to offer services is a grave form of coercion that violates numerous social work ethical standards (long list of social work ethical standards discussed)

In Arizona, Marcia xxxxx (this is silly if I have to edit last name here) a woman serving a 27-month sentence in Arizona for solicitation of prostitution, died in May 2009 after being left in a prison holding cage in the blazing sun without water. Not only would Marcia have been ineligible to receive services through Project ROSE had she been targeted by the sting, but she would have likely faced a prison sentence due to several prior arrests for prostitution. Ultimately, however, Marcia died in the ‘‘safety’’ of the Arizona prison system because she was a sex worker incarcerated for her own good. Furthermore, we argue that social work participation in the creation and facilitation of police

Furthermore, we argue that social work participation in the creation and facilitation of police sting operations, including those designed from a stance of innocence (Rossiter, 2001), to ‘‘offer services’’ violates (long list again of various social work organizations ethics.)

This is especially problematic as there is no body of rigorous empirical evidence that indicates that prostitution diversion programs facilitate social justice for those enrolled in the programs. If an apprehended sex worker rejects the offer of diversion, or is denied entry into the diversion program, how is the project ‘‘ensuring that all people have equal access to the resource’’ (National Association of Social Workers, 2008)?

Finally, if we accept that many people who work in sex work do so because they are poor and/or have limited options for alternative employment (though this is certainly not the case for all those engaged in trading sexual services), how are social workers ‘‘[d]istributing resources equitably’’ or ‘‘[c]hallenging unjust policies and practices’’ (International Federation of Social Work, 2012) when they are advocating for and assisting in the arrest of sex workers who are mostly poor, people of color, and often identify as transgender? For some of the sex workers caught up in these sweeps, Project ROSE with its additional 125 officers hastens the path toward a felony charge.

ASU’s School of Social Work and the Phoenix Police Department, despite proclamations of good intentions, perpetuate racism, classism, sexism, transphobia, and xenophobia; all forms of social injustice and human rights violations that social workers are bound to by numerous ethical standards to work against.

It is no wonder that some sex workers fear social workers as much if not more than the police, as we are legitimately seen as the service gatekeepers as well as the ones who take their children away (Weiner, 1996). Social work has a long history of engagement and practice with sex workers, which reinforces notions of social workers as agents of social and moral control (Wahab, 2002). While many social workers have worked hard through policy and practice arenas over the years to repair and reconfigure social work’s relationship (characterized by mistrust, disempowerment, social, and moral control) to the sex industry, social work efforts geared toward arresting sex workers ‘‘for their own good’’ violate the ethical codes while enacting structural violence in the name of helping.

Whether you believe that sex work = sex trafficking or whether you believe that there is no universal sex work experience and that sex workers can make their own decisions about what they need and when they need it, Schools of Social Work and social work in general should not be in the business of arresting people for their own good. If we believe that arresting people in order to coerce them into ‘‘treatment’’ and services is our only option for engagement, then we need to critically examine our relationships with sex workers and sex worker groups.

Long list of references included.

Author Biographies
Stephanie xxxxx is an associate professor in the School of Social Work at Portland State University.

Meg xxxxxxxxx is a doctoral student in the School of Social Work at Portland State University. Her research
focuses on sex work, privilege, oppression, and the intersections of feminisms, sexualities, and social work.

[SW Hunter1555]

Don't really know where to post this but anyone selling?You can go online to arr.com and buy liquid CIA for research purposes. Administer 3 ml per day to the test subject and your 35 dollar bottle will last about 2 months.

[DrGori]

I have not used any of those sites, but two that you are guaranteed in making some playful connections with are:

Seekingarrangement.

Whatsyourprice.

Will be curious what others have to say about some of these "dating" sites.I've been trying out Whatsyourprice and have made some connections (offers accepted), but it seems like the girls are looking for actual dates. Has anyone met with someone from this site? If so, how did it go?

[DavePHX]

I've been trying out Whatsyourprice and have made some connections (offers accepted), but it seems like the girls are looking for actual dates. Has anyone met with someone from this site? If so, how did it go?The younger generation does seem to use these sites for more dating with benefits vs just sex and tends to avoid the legal issues.

Now we have "Carrot Dating" with the same founder Brandon xxx.

A new dating app that allows men to "cut to the chase" by wooing women with bribes is getting slammed for being sexist.

The online matchmaking site Carrot Dating lets users "dangle a carrot" like flowers, jewelry, a tank of gas or even plastic surgery to entice women to go on a first date.

The app was created by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) graduate Brandon xxxx, who also founded SeekingArrangement.com, a popular sugar daddy dating website.

A press release for Carrot Dating says, "There's only one method of manipulation that has stood the test of time: bribery. It's a concept so simple that even animals understand — give a dog a bone, and it will obey. Give a woman a present, and she'll.

Read more: http://ktla.com/2013/10/20/dating-app-that-lets-men-dangle-a-carrot-to-women-being-slammed-as-sexist/#ixzz2 iS35 abuH.

Gold digging is alive and well, thanks to online dating sites like SugarDaddies.com and SeekingArrangments.com.

While trading in a well-maintained body for a well-maintained lifestyle is more or less legal, a new matchmaking website by SeekingArrangments founder Brandon xxxxe has many wondering: Where do you draw the line between presents and prostitution? Ignoring the degrading connotation of dangling a carrot, its phallic symbolism, or the synonymous connection between rabbits, their small vibrating counterparts, and Playboy bunnies, the site still has a strong sexist undertone.

While Carrot Dating claims that both genders can apply to either user category, the website's copy, graphics, press photos, and promo video all suggest that it's predominantly the women who are putting themselves up for sale.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/jackalope/2013/10/carrot_dating_app_prostitution.php

[Member #5432]

I've been trying out Whatsyourprice and have made some connections (offers accepted), but it seems like the girls are looking for actual dates. Has anyone met with someone from this site? If so, how did it go?I had three dates so far. I think one has to make it clear on their profile what they are seeking. Not too explicit, but know that you are seeking a sexual relationship. One was clearly a "working" girl, cost was $100 for FS after meeting in public and a drink. Another led to some playful teasing but nothing more, it was confusing and frustrating. The third was just a date, but seems to have possibilities for more, closer to an ongoing sugar daddy kind of arrangement that might just work out fine for me. One thing is don't pay till after the date, or pay half up front and half later. If you want just a date and maybe something more with a non-pro, dates can range from $25-$100. For a sure thing, dates are usually over $100. But just because you arrange to pay $100 doesn't mean she is going to provide more! It seems like a bit of a gamble.

Good luck!

[Member #4210]

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[Member #4210]

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[DavePHX]

Most knew this place as a rip off and was an easy LE target once a complaint was filed.

There are many maturing cases now in Superior Court as they get to be about a year or so from busts. Some folks maybe interested in the well known Champagne bust widely reported in the media when SWAT basically demolished the front of the home of the co-owners in January 2013. Many media reports / comments on how such a waste of police resources. But the expense just began vs the Court time, lawyers, prosecutors fixated on attacking in private consenting adult pleasures.

Updates as of 10/31/2013.

Co-owners male and females friends that lived in home that was basically destroyed in SWAT raid refused a plea deal for 1.5 years in prison.

$50,000 cash bond paid by male. Female had no ability to pay her $50 k cash bond and was reduced to $3000 which paid to get out of Estrella jail in the Summer, where she was having panic attacks in prison. Age 45, no criminal record.

2 female "dancers" pled guilty to felony class 6 undesignated "facilitate a criminal enterprise" in return for testimony against owners. Originally bail was $3 K and $5 k. Details of plea agreement are sealed and will not be sentenced until co-owners trial or plea.

Dancer "Autumn" age 22, reported total assets of $370, no employment other than here for 3 yrs.

Dancer "Meagan" age 34, zero assets and past due bills of $2600, no employment except here last 5 years.

State noticed 37 detectives as witnesses and 57 others which probably include clients from club records / payments and other "dancers" whose dancer names are given as well as legal names.

The usual original indictments which were redacted, than a 22 count supervening indictment, mostly the usual felonies, criminal enterprise, money laundering, and pandering. ,Detailed lots of surveillance, detectives sent in, offered oral sex for $500 etc.

9/17/2013 CBS 5 News granted motion for camera in court request for all proceedings.

Trial now scheduled for 11/18/13 but often get continued so probably not until 2014. Next pre-trial conference 11/12.

Person who appears to be the son of female co-owner was originally arrested, mug shot on CBS 5,news but charges later dismissed. No TV news coverage when charges dismissed!

Investigation started with a complaint of prostitution filed 1/6/2011 with Phoenix PD. Crimes charged from 2005-2011 with one as late as 1/15/2013.

Ads in evidence from backpage, and Playtime Magazine.

[DavePHX]

aphroditecompanions.com Alleged Prostitution ring update.

Deeper inside look at the case. All for in private consenting adults alleged money laundering (paying for BP ads) related to alleged prostitution, legal in almost all the world. What a mess in the USA Tying up the Courts and ruining lives.

No trial date set. Maybe 2015 or so and owners may stay in Federal prison since unable to pay $2 million total bail.

No undercover police work needed, just e-mails, ads, reviews, and website brings Federal charges with long potential prison terms.

Federal Charges because used the Internet and phones which crosses State lines for an alleged prostitution enterprise. 29 counts of money laundering. 28 of the money laundering charges are for specific transactions using a TD Bank debit card to pay for ads on backpage.

Updates from prior July 2013 Report.

USA v. Vincent "Big Vin" and Melissa L. "Pamela".

Case 1:13-cr-00477-ENV US District Court Eastern New York division.

New case, new indictment mid July 2013.

The website featured half-naked women in provocative poses available for hourly booking for hundreds of dollars. Clients were also able to rate and review the prostitutes online, TER reviews are specifically mentioned in original indictment.

Both remain In federal prison unable to meet $1 million bail each. A prior judge and prior attorney agreed on $25,000 cash bail for each plus mothers home as security. However they can not raise the $25,000 cash. This is typical problem, all assets found are frozen and can not be used for bail, so money or security for a bond from friends and relatives often needed.

7/18/2013. New judge ordered a permanent order of detention (keep in prison until trial).

7/31/2013. Highlights from 38 page bail hearing transcript:

Joint hearing since neither wants to be released from prison without the other (are husband and wife) and long discussion with judge about how they could have a conflict of interest between themselves, but they both wish to continue jointly.

Admitted the equity in mothers home earlier submitted in prior bail package of $700 k was too high. Lots of discussion that they have no foreign connections or family and that the foreign entries in passport were vacation in nature and passport seized. Had lived in Florida home for 6-7 years but recently returned to Long Island NY and rented home since Vincent was "homesick" (rest of family and children in NY).

In 2006 Vincent won a civil settlement for about $800,000 (netted about $600 K) from a motorcycle accident and paid $225,000 down on the Florida home. But probably not available as security for bail since subject to forfeiture probably even with the Florida Homestead exemption (that applies to bankruptcy).

If released from prison would move to mother's large home in Massapequa, NY. Mother and other family members and friends in Court ready to sign security agreements for bail. Agrees to house arrest if released with electronic monitoring. Unresolved is the Florida home with about $350 k equity but subject to forfeiture order. Father questioned about income to guarantee bail but is retired on limited income. The 3 willing to guarantee in addition to homes as security admit their wives are concerned but "will let them do it". (Later this becomes a huge problem).

Argues that the AR-15 found at time of arrest was purchased by Melissa prior to marriage and although joint house, Vincent had no connection to the weapon. Vincent many years ago had a felony conviction. Do not know what for. So can not possess a firearm.

USA Attorney opposed the proposal noting the prior judge turned down $700 k bond based on inflated value of mothers' home vs $1 million. "This was a long term, ongoing prostitution ring using the Internet." Argued between 2000 and 2011 there was about $1.7 million deposited into various accounts and believes there are unaccounted for assets. Seizure notices have gone to all banks but believes the balance is only a few thousand dollars. A lis pendens was filed against the Florida home and believes subject to forfeiture since mortgage payments traced to the prostitution enterprise funds.

Discussion of Costa Rica connection since e-mail account changed to server in Costa Rica, so less able for law enforcement to detect it.

Discussion of minimum possible guideline sentence is 108 months for Vincent and 70+ months for Melissa. At a minimum. Also issue of a "Diane" from e-mail records picking up money from prostitutes and mother also held funds for business at times, ($24 k when moved from Florida back to NY from escort service). Argues that she may be co-conspirator and should not have security of her home accepted for bail.

Further, when search executed at NY mother's home, evidence of escort service including cubicles set up with phones and sheets arranging appointments for various escorts.

USA Asks for original $2 million bond (total for both) to be upheld and reject current bail offer of $1 million ($500 k each) and the security agreements.

In rebuttal Defense attorney points out escorting is legal and "the government has to show not that they were running an escort service, they have to show they were running an escort service that engaged knowingly and intentionally in prostitution." Further it may be a long time before trial resulting in a lengthy period of incarceration pending trial.

Defense also related to one of the mother's children involved (adults) related to an e-mail said, "she is a one percent owner.

In a business that does parties. You can rent clowns. You can rent strippers. You can rent whatever you need.

On money in mom's account argued it was for car insurance on two cars being transferred from FL to NY etc.

On fleeing, "If you throw in the electronic monitoring, I think it's pretty hard for them to leave. Even without the electronic monitoring, I don't think they're going to be in that position where they are going to leave and leave the three children, the mother and father, the mother of the children and friends holding the bag for them." Requests Court approve the bail at $500,000 each and accept the security agreements from family and friends.

USA Attorney objects. "The e-mails, the content of the e-mails that I have, first of all, overwhelmingly demonstrate that the defendants were well-aware that the escorts were engaged in sexual activities" He tries to tie in "Diana" and the mother to the escort services.

JUDGE says, "I think Mr. Conway's (USA Attorney) only point is that the mere fact that she knows that the defendants are operating an escort service doesn't necessarily prove that she knows that they're involved in illegal prostitution. I think that's his only point and therefore, I shouldn't reject her wholesale as a suretor.

The judge however is concerned about the large amounts of money transferred over the years out of the accounts which have not yet been tracked but will be part of future discovery.

Judge says the bail will remain $1 million each and if the USA Can show that about $1.5 million went into bank accounts the bail will be increased by $250,000 CASH ONLY EACH!

Judge wants a brief recess for USA To bring in agents to testify about the money deposits found in bank records and for mother and others that are willing to put up homes to call their spouses to get approval. Any security for bail will have to be agreed upon by all the spouses to the extent they are on the deeds to the homes. Judge points out any suretor's must be willing to put all their future income and property on the line for the bail.

After recess and phone calls made to those with spouses, problem of one who has a son who recently underwent brain surgery and concern about large medical costs may need equity in home to pay. He is retired police officer friend that offered to be part of the bail security package.

And another, Diana who has a child that two days ago got a blood transfusion because he has a ulcerated colitis. The home was the grandmother's who still lives with her at age 95. Grandma deeded house to Diana on condition she could live in home and be cared for rest of her life. There is no mortgage but a line of credit to help pay for grandma's medical expenses as well as using to pay for college for her son.

LONG argument ... Wants to continue. Find out for retired person with sick son if capped lien at $100 k need to discuss with bank if would interfere with borrowing for sick son. Judge less accepting of Diana's grandma issue. But judge's calendar is full and then leaving the rotation so will have to be assigned to a new "duty judge".

But Judge says, "I'm not trying to interfere with the cash flow anybody needs to take care of an elderly relative or a sick child, even the government wouldn't want to do that.

No continuation date set. No trial date set. Maybe 2015 or so and owners still in prison on unable to pay $2 million total bail.

9/24/2013. Letter from attorney to newly assigned judge seeking appeal or modification of $25,000 cash bond. Attorney points out the assumption was that there was still a large amount of money unaccounted for. Now, tax returns and other documents during an oral argument support there is no other funds to be found.

New proposal is to offer home of Vincent's mother with equity value of $375 k, and two elder children' of mother homes value of about $300 k, plus a personal friend pledged $100 k secured by his home plus Vincent's fathers home. Request is the pledge of security of total of $775,000 plus personal guarantees from two of above but not have to raise $25,000 in cash (each).

This proposal would be a almost half cut in bail since now totals $2 million for both so unless very friendly new judge the owners may continue in prison for years awaiting trial. Federal criminal courts move very slowly since so many cases!

From latest Indictment.

Evidence includes TD Bank Surveillance footage at many different times, various branches. Video of July 2013 search warrants and video of Melissa operating Aphrodite Companions website at home. "Snagit" screen captures of emails from her, videos of search warrant execution at home in Florida. Thousands of records from Citibank, JP Morgan Chase, paypal, AOL emails etc... Etc... I looked up home since address given and is a 1476 ft home which is not that large. Trulia values at $384 k. Real estate tax for 2012 was $3350.

Original arrest widely reported in media, including CBS New York at http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/18/l-i-couple-accused-of-running-high-end-international-prostitution-ring/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter.

[DavePHX]

Felony conviction: http://thephoenixescorts.com.

Old ads still up on other sites and website up with same phone as police used to bust. Very nice pictures and reasonable rates including offers of 2 women at once.

Shared incall = felony. "Reba" and Mia" plus 3rd don't have name used just real name (initials T.P).

Reba recruited the other 2 women named. Both adults over age 30.

Police tracked 36 different cars with single male drivers, entering and leaving the incall at 104 xx and 11th street from late 2012 until early 2013.

8 cars were traffic stopped after leaving and the men all admitted they paid women for sex in response to ads.

Then detective set up appointment and was offered sexual services for money and arrested.

"Reba" pled to a Class 5 felony on 10/17/13 but sentencing suspended with 2 years of supervised probation (and a lifetime felony record). If violates the many probation terms could be sent to prison. Usual fees charged, ordered DNA sample and of course fingerprints.

The other 2 women seem lucky and no record of arrest yet, just search warrants served on them.

[DavePHX]

"Studio" Case update.

10/29/13 Owner filed motion to dismiss and remand to Grand Jury arguing that detective Amanda Herman presented false evidence to the Grand Jury. He claims that she claimed that they were not following proper STD testing procedures for the porn industry. He challenges the statement she gave to the Grand Jury that a porn producer (Amateur Allure") said the "studio" operation was not in line with industry standards.

As of 11/1/2013. 8 arrested and 8 not yet found, all facing felony charges.

Next case conference is 11/13.

[JaydeDinaz]

Guys,

Can someone please simply explain how to upload a pic to a report with an iphone?

Thanks.

[Supaspiffy]

Just wanted to announce that Cheryl's back. Yes, our skinny white spinster friend is out and she's all cleaned up now and doing better than ever. She's on the down low and only prefers seeing trusted mongers so seniors PM me for her number.

[Jerry8]

Just wanted to announce that Cheryl's back. Yes, our skinny white spinster friend is out and she's all cleaned up now and doing better than ever. She's on the down low and only prefers seeing trusted mongers so seniors PM me for her number.Thanks for the warning...She'll probably be back to her usual cash and dash in a few weeks when her cash runs low and her cravings return.

[Member #4210]

She got out much earlier than expected. Her release date was in March.

Too much upsell and drama for me.

BTW, her weight listed is 135. So, she is healthier.


Thanks for the warning...She'll probably be back to her usual cash and dash in a few weeks when her cash runs low and her cravings return.

[DavePHX]

The Street Hookers are organizing better than private companions in Phoenix.

SWOP-Phoenix has gotten lots of good national publicity, articles in the media, raised funds and vocal about claming rights for street workers (with emphasis on transgendered), then any group for private sexworkers. Monica's fight is supported by Arizona Prison Watch, SWOP-Phoenix, SWOP-Tucson and "many more local groups," says SWOP.

Led by some ASU women they organized SWOP-Phoenix and have exceeded their fund raising goals on indiegogo with 60 people making donations as of 11/16/2013. They are doing a further fund raising party on November 22. Monica has a public defender so not sure what funds are for. See last section related to use of funds raised.

This all started with the arrest of transgendered sexwork advocate Monica Jones from the protest against Project Rose last May at Bethany Bible Church. After protesting a sting targeting sex workers in Phoenix, Monica was arrested for "manifestation.

Her "manifestation" it seems, was passing out literature protesting the Project Rose Roundups. As most know this is where they . Handcuff you, arrest you, and refuse your request for a lawyer. But be "saved" by Catholic Social Services, since all sexworkers are "victims". So arrest the victim to "save" them. Grants to police and fund raising publicity for the "victim industry." It seems the majority of "saves" are for arrested private consenting adults. The focus of SWOP is on the street workers "right" to be a public nuisance. However, we should be supportive on the manifestation charge which could be more frequently used by Phoenix if they get a conviction in the Monica Jones case.

Supposedly Monica goes to trial next week, however I believe its only the pre-trial or status conference and any actual "trial" could be a long way off.

SWOP at one point claims Monica faces up to six months in prison. However, another place more correctly says 30 days. But since 2nd offense could be 60. And not in "prison" but in jail. Probably Tent City.

She is not eligible for Project Rose because she "flunked" a previous indoctrination of Dignity House / Catholic Social Services. "She was told to not come back to that particular program after only a few days because she was very outspoken about how they treated her as a victim and she told the people in charge as well as other individuals in the program that she has the right to her own body.

SWOP says, "If Monica wins her case, this will be a significant victory for all people targeted by anti-prostitution and related laws in Arizona. Her victory will help make it clear to the powers that be that when an activist's rights are under attack that the community will stand up and fight back.

Unfortunately with all the yelling about false arrest, street hooker rights (especially transgendered) little is known about the real legal issues or exactly what the defense will be other than vocal protesting and proclamations of "Stand by Monica in Court" yet there are no details of any actual legal case information. SWOP proclaims the manifestation statute, "violates rights to free speech and is unconstitutionally vague. It gives police permission to profile sex workers.

I agree but you need all sorts of legal moves, motions, etc to help in a case, not just protesting and fund raising which is at least in part to spread the word of the injustice within the community.

Unlike more serious charges in Superior Court as far as I know there is no way to publicly follow a Phoenix municipal court case to even know exact hearing dates / time / courtroom or find copies of motions, minute entries etc like in Superior Court.

While SWOP nationwide has always failed in the many good tries because it is mostly about street hookers, the private adult sexwork community should be supportive as this Phoenix PD "manifestation" charges if won in Court could get expanded in the war on private consenting adult sexwork.

Fund Raising Reasons given:

We need to cover the costs of additional legal research and any additional representation. While we love public defenders, the problem is that in almost all cases (98% people charged with something in Arizona plead guilty. Monica needs excellent legal information to help her mount a good fight for her to plead NOT GUILTY. (Dave notes if she has a public defender no other attorney will provide additional representation).

We will also use money raised to create fliers and materials and to support outreach to distribute information across Phoenix to inform the communities of people affected by Project Rose and policing (homeless groups, trans communities, sex workers, migrants) of their rights and to build interest in Monica's case. (Dave notes not sure what "rights": they are claiming. To break the prostitution laws? The only way to achieve that "right" is to challenge the vague Arizona prostitution law itself, but good luck as related to street vs private sexwork).

The perks offered in Monica's Indiegogo campaign come from the community spirit of activism in Phoenix. We will send you personal thanks. We will chalk your name or slogan in front of the court and send you a digital photo of it for your FB page or to print and put up in your cubicle (or where ever it is that you are making the money to donate to us). We are also offering personalized art works and t-shirts created by Monica herself.

Other Ways You Can Help (per SWOP).

We know that so many of you out there who would like to support Monica's cause do not have the financial means to make a contribution. We understand, and we know that you need to take care of you and your family first. But you can make a bunch of noise online and at your events about our campaign raising awareness of it and the rights violations that are happening in Arizona every day. Parties and fundraisers are being organized in Phoenix for Monica and we invite you to come. If you are an artist or performer we could use your help pro bono to make our events great. If you can photocopy or print some fliers that would help too.

(Dave notes while this is a odd case of manifestation and related to street work, this is the first time I have seen so much organization and support of Phoenix sexworkers. Yet from street advocates not related to private companions / escorts.

More on Nov 22nd Party:

SWOP PHX's event is a sex positive dance party celebrating all sexualities and genders, creating a community of sex workers, and fighting the state's surveillance of transgender and sex worker communities. There will be a potluck, burlesque dancers, trans performers, a kissing booth, ask a sex worker / tell a sex worker your fantasy, a raffle to raise funds for Monica's fight, and dancing. PARTY!

[DavePHX]

chris vvvvv, cindy xxxx o talk about preventing prostitution, human trafficking spikes at upcoming super bowl.

as reported by arizona state university and www.bizjournals.cpm november 18th, 2013:

new jersey gov. chris zzzz a potential 2016 presidential contender, will be in phoenix on friday.

zzzz cindy zzzzz the wife of usa sen. john xxxx , are-ariz., will keynote a discussion on human trafficking, particularly spikes in prostitution during big sporting events and conventions. trafficking rings sometimes bring prostitutes into markets hosting large events.

the event, sponsored by arizona state university's mccain institute for international leadership, will be held at the arizona biltmore resort and spa in phoenix.

dave notes: lots of reports from prior super bowl about the myth created by the anti-sexwork feminists that cities need to watch out for the influx of under aged, pimped, sex trafficked sexworkers for superbowls.

it is great for fund raising and applause for a political agenda and helps all the funding for the "rescue industry" like catholic charities in phoenix and the project rose scam.

snopes even exposes this myth with interviews of varies cities after they hosted games: " said phoenix police sergeant tommy zzzzz after the 2008 super bowl: "we may have had certain precincts that were going gangbusters looking for prostitutes, but they were picking up your everyday street prostitutes. they didn't notice any sort of glitch in the number of prostitution arrests leading up to the super bowl.

from my reports in 2012: super bowl prostitution hoax?

indianapolis mobilizes for an epic battle with an urban legend," suggests that indiana, as well as the rest of the country, sensationalizes the idea of human trafficking for publicity or "political gain." pete zzzz who penned the article, stated "no one gets excited about garden-variety prostitution anymore. as a culture war wedge, it's so 1912.

xxxx continued to add that because the public has seemingly lost interest, politicians have "changed their advertising" by moving the focus from "adult harlots" to **** girls.

superbowl sex trafficking increase? super nonsense an increasing number of groups are intent on persuading americans that we have a terrible and growing problem with sex trafficking. their data is virtually non-existent, elided with words like "experts agree," "a shameful epidemic," and "enormous human suffering." the media reports their conferences and feral estimates, politicians grimly respond with vows of stricter laws, and the occasional wildly unusual victim is trotted out as proof of some enormous underground industry.

the favorite ploy of anti-trafficking groups is to grimly remind us that major sporting events are a central focus of this evil. texas attorney general greg xxxxt said "the super bowl is one of the biggest human-trafficking events in the united states"—without any data. he strengthened a unit to pursue those involved with child prostitution (not the same thing as trafficking, of course). the result—at the dallas superbowl there were 113 arrests for prostitution, and none for trafficking.

the same is true for the last three superbowl's: grim predictions of upcoming trafficking disasters, and none materializing. says robert xxx., special agent in charge of the fbi's dallas office, "the super bowl does not create a spike in those crimes.

every year, the nfl has to deny that they're the center of an odious international sex slavery ring. nfl spokesperson brian xxx says the super bowl sex slave story is a simply an urban legend. but that doesn't stop those who are feeding—and feeding off of—america's latest sex panic.

one week before hosting their superbowl, for example, indiana's house and senate both voted unanimously for a new law that makes recruiting, transporting or harboring anyone younger than 16 for prostitution a felony punishable by 20 to 50 years in prison. the law was passed without a single documented case of sex trafficking in the state. you now get less jail time in indiana for murdering a teen than for pimping her.

full article at http://sexualintelligence.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/superbowl-sex-trafficking-increase-super-nonsense/.

millions of taxpayer dollars are wasted in phoenix going after in private consenting adult sexworkers whose crime is pleasure using swat teams and felony charges. scads of recent cases including the phoenix goddess temple now on 3rd judge in over 3 years, with threats of 40 years in prison if don't take a felony plea deal for mere "association" with little direct evidence of any prostitution.

all the many cases would be totally legal in almost all the world and no big deal, except in the usa were release of sexual tension and pleasure is such a huge crime. and source of huge funding, and political bragging wrapped in the scam that it is mostly about under aged and pimp type trafficking which is rare.

[DavePHX]

CBS5 News Rant on Phoenix Sex Trafficking It does exist but mostly a fund raising political scam to go after consenting adults.
Nov 18, 2013 Arizona scores 'C' letter grade in fight against human trafficking

PHOENIX (CBS5) - It's a problem everywhere and Arizona is no exception. At hotels, truck stops, even on your own street, human sex trafficking is bigger than you may think. At StreetLightUSA, victims of the human smuggling operations have an outlet and a place to get away from the dark world of illegal prostitution. StreetLightUSA CEO Lea xxxx says it gives these victims a new start. "Most people don't realize that it's happening right here in their own backyards," xxxx said.

A new report put together by Shared Hope International gave Arizona a "C" letter grade for its efforts to combat these crimes. xxxx says the grade is disappointing but Arizona has the chance to be the standard for the rest of the country. "We still have a long ways," xxx said. "We will never be satisfied with a solution because there's always room for improvement."

Gov. Jan xxx established the Task Force on Human Trafficking in April and its members submitted recommendations to improve the state's standing in September. xxxxx says one problem the state faces are what she calls "legal loopholes" that enable the criminals behind the sex trade to stay out of jail.

xxxx says for Arizona to lead the way for the rest of the country, the community and lawmakers need to work together. "I think it is changing laws as well as rehab for these [victims],"xxxx said.

On Friday, experts will discuss another step towards eliminating sex trafficking. New Jersey Gov. Chris xxxx will be in Phoenix joining Cindy xxxx to gather feedback and find out what more America can do as a whole to stop this growing and dark trend of trafficking.

[AmanteDeLatina]

More on Nov 22nd Party:

SWOP PHX's event is a sex positive dance party celebrating all sexualities and genders, creating a community of sex workers, and fighting the state's surveillance of transgender and sex worker communities. There will be a potluck, burlesque dancers, trans performers, a kissing booth, ask a sex worker / tell a sex worker your fantasy, a raffle to raise funds for Monica's fight, and dancing. PARTY!Can you give us more details like where, what time and how much it costs? Is it open to the public?

[Member #4210]

Tell her she looks great, healthier & happier.

But, she can still fuck it up. That shit kills. I hope she'll stay clean and clear away.

Peoria is close to me but I got a sweetie that accepts me for the poor man I am and doesn't break my bank.

I don't think I have ever seen Cheryl look better.


Hey guys just passing along a little comment from Cheryl. She doesn't want to be lowballed. She's already going half her normal rates. If you're asking $40, that's probably way too low. Mike, I'm looking at you dude. I don't know your handle but she singled you out specifically. You know this chick's in better shape than any hood rat strolling on VB out there. Plus she's aware that Peoria is kinda far from most people, so just give her a fair price, and she'll even negotiate with you. I've attached this pic to show what she looks like now. She did get off the shit and she's on parole so she knows she can't fuck this up.

[Supaspiffy]

Hey guys just passing along a little comment from Cheryl. She doesn't want to be lowballed. She's already going half her normal rates. If you're asking $40, that's probably way too low. Mike, I'm looking at you dude. I don't know your handle but she singled you out specifically. You know this chick's in better shape than any hood rat strolling on VB out there. Plus she's aware that Peoria is kinda far from most people, so just give her a fair price, and she'll even negotiate with you. I've attached this pic to show what she looks like now. She did get off the shit and she's on parole so she knows she can't fuck this up.I meant. .40 not $40. I'm technically a senior member I should know this by now haha.

[Ducks]

Saw this post about a gal who prides herself on being tidy.

http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/wednesday-hump-day-outcall-specials-invite-me-over-ill-be-your-late-night-treat-21/25715296

Can look up Sexy Sarah if the link dosent work, don't see an insert hyperlink button, so copy and paste was my attempt. Ducks out.

[DavePHX]

Can you give us more details like where, what time and how much it costs? Is it open to the public?SWOP fund raising party for TS Monica Jones.

Friday Nov 22. 9 PM at The Firehouse Gallery.

1015 and 1st Street.

Phoenix AZ 85004.

$5 at the door but no one turned away if can not afford.

There will be a raffle, trans and gender queer performances, a spanking booth and dancing all night to DJ Daniel Funkhouser and DJ Scapegoat!

We will be handing out free condoms, safe sex information, Know Your Rights info, SWOP literature, and information on how to practice safe sex work.

Some of the items being raffled off:

An herb basket by Compass Rose Herbs (thank you Caroline xxxx).

A tattoo session by Chris xxxx of Tattooed Planet.

Sex worker solidarity photography by Greg xxxx Miles to Go.

The Coven of Two Wheels (a sick ass single speed commuter bicycle) donated by bike mechanic extraordinaire Nathan xxxx.

A midwife's kaleidoscope-Wellness care-free office visit plus $100 in lab fees (thank you Ada xxxx and Sarah xxxxx!

And more! Keep checking back for updates!

The party is open to all LGBTQI and straight folks and is in solidarity with sex workers.

All proceeds will go to SWOP PHX and The Firehouse Gallery.

Info at https://www.facebook.com/events/388906657908244/.

[Supaspiffy]

I don't think I have ever seen Cheryl look better.Of course she's never looked better. She was with me. ^_-

[Supaspiffy]

Hey guys so back in the Spring I wrote a little story of how I got a newbie working girl to give it up for free. I think I titled it, Mooching Mimi or something. Many of you tried to get me to give you her number, but I couldn't because I ended up being her first and only "client" and she gave it up after me. What follows is a pretty interesting story of a genuine friendship with many *cough* benefits that lasted for months until the end of the summer.

So to summarize the story that I've already posted in the Spring, I saw Mimi's ad on hx (another social site for mongering) all the way back earlier in the year. I texted the ad and I normally wouldn't, because it didn't have any pictures or details. But she answered my inquires and price haggling with directness and naivety so I knew she was new to this gig. When we met up, I got her to spend the whole afternoon with me as we fucked repeatedly, punctured by casual conversation. I gave her $20 for all of that. We really clicked and I added her on FB. On the days following that, I kept in contact with her as we talked about our daily lives. One day I asked her out to lunch and she agreed. We ate and we fucked again. I half expected that she was going to charge me right when I drop her off, but instead she tells me, "thank you for the sex" and got out.

That was the first time I hooked up legitimately with a chick I've met hooking and it felt great. We became friends in the following weeks and months. I would see her once or twice a week and I would take her out to bars, drop X, and we would fuck. I would take her out on night drives and she would take me to the desert where we would watch the stars and she would give me head. Then we would hit up IHOP and end the night with our stomachs full of food and her's full of cum. She was the perfect fuck buddy.

I even introduced her to my circle of friends as I tried to integrate her in. She took me to her house where I met her family and her 3 young kids. I even met her ex hubby when she invited me to a house party and I almost got into a fight with him after he sees how intimate we were. She included me in her life and told me her secrets and personal stories about the men she's been with, the men she's using now, the crazy sugar daddies who obsess over her, etc. I became her confidant for some reason, and she chose me to unload all these things to. I even got into a fight with a crazy old dude who stalks her on FB after he sees I've tagged a few pics of me and her. He's pretty dimwitted so me and my friends would fuck around with him with our witty and playful teasing. It was a fun and crazy time.

In the summer I took her to Santa Barbara for a few days vacation. We strolled on the beach, ate at fine restaurants, went wine tasting. We even snuck out in the farm of some vineyard and found a small clearing and fucked in broad daylight with animals and shit around us. It was all a big adventure for us. But I think we were both blinded by the sun, and the novelty of what we were doing, because she told me on that trip that she would even be willing to drop the other guys in her life for me. So I beat out a bodybuilder lawyer, a Russian parole officer, an Iranian computer nerd, a crazy old contractor from Stanfield who pays for her phone, and an old rich sugar daddy who owns a shit ton of Arizona land. So yea I felt good that she made me out to be Last Man Standing. I asked her if she was serious because this monogamy would technically make me her boyfriend, but she said she already made up her mind and that she's only going to fuck me from now on.

After that trip I didn't know if she really knew what it meant to be taking this step with me. This was a troubled chick with attachment issues and who's afraid of commitments but somehow she was doing it for me. Then maybe because of this realization, I started caring for her. Like really caring for her. I began treating her like a girlfriend. Calling her everyday and worrying about her and the whole nine yards. But the problem with me caring for her, is that I already had a girlfriend during this whole entire time.

In fact, I've been with a girlfriend since 2011 who I loved, and yet I've been cheating on. It was never with women I had actual affairs with, so never with mistresses, just hookers. Mimi, was the only exception. The picture below with the three of us was taken on the 4th of July, where I thought it'd be funny to get both of my girls together in one shot. Mimi (left) knew about my girlfriend from day one but my actual girlfriend (on the right) was completely clueless who she was. Yes I know I'm a pretty fucked up douche bag, but that's the truth.

All of this finally came crashing in the beginning of August. I was getting more attached to Mimi everyday and I think she sensed it and started pulling back. The more she did, the more frustrated I became and the more I tried to pull her in. Finally on the day of her birthday, I was suppose to take her and her kids to Fossil Creek. She changed plans on me and said she was too depressed to go anywhere. I said alright. On the night before her birthday, I thought I would come by her house and surprise her with a gift. She wasn't home and was told by her kids that she just went out but would be back soon. So I waited for her. She never came back that night and her worried kids was asking me where their mom went. I told them I did not know because I really didn't. Mimi had turned off her phone after ignoring my repeated calls and messages. Thinking she would be back later, I stayed with her kids and fell asleep. I got a message the next morning from her telling me she's taking her kids to Fossil Creek with an old ex of hers and that I should leave her place because she was bringing him over. I was infuriated because she had obviously spent the night with this dude and was now pushing me out of the plans for him. I told her I wanted to talk to her. A few text messages were exchanged but basically it was over shortly. She did not want me coming by her place again and that was that.

I wish I can end the story there but a month later in September, the worse finally happen. My actual girlfriend, oblivious to this whole drama the entire time, found footage on my computer that I had taken with Mimi (yes a sex tape). She had evidently stumbled on this video, and watched it while I was taking a nap. Needless to say, she broke up with me but not before I've broken her heart in one of the worse ways possible. Imagine how hurtful would it be if she just heard about it, but actually seeing it, takes it to another level. And the fact that she knew who the chick was (from the 4th of July) and hanged out and talked with her, only made it that much more painful. I know I could never make any of it better for her but I tried anyway. I apologized in a suit, gave her a full confession and explanation, wrote her messages and poems, bought her flowers, chocolates, jewelry, etc etc etc all in the hopes that maybe we could just be friends. I wanted her to forgive me, to keep me around her life, but she didn't even want that. Who can blame her?

Even now, months after, I still think about these women. I truly cared for them and yet I've driven both away and neither of them are a part of my life anymore. Funny thing is, I could easily blame Mimi for the whole thing. I should be furious with her because she was a huge part of it, but I'm not. I know better. All of this was my doing and I can admit that. Even after the damage she caused, I hate to admit it but I still do care for Mimi. I don't even know why sometimes, but I guess I found a connection with her that I never really had with many women.

Nevertheless, I have to let her go. So I am prepared to give her number to you senior members out there. I think she's prepared to take some clients because she can always use the money. I'll actually be doing her a favor. So Seniors PM me!

Anyway, sorry to have to be the one to write the longest post ever on this forum but truthfully, I'm writing this more for myself than for any other reason.

[Foundation]

Can I get your ex-GF number instead? She is much hotter imo.

[BBFourLife]

Hey guys so back in the Spring I wrote a little story of how I got a newbie working girl to give it up for free. I think I titled it, Mooching Mimi or something. Many of you tried to get me to give you her number, but I couldn't because I ended up being her first and only "client" and she gave it up after me. What follows is a pretty interesting story of a genuine friendship with many *cough* benefits that lasted for months until the end of the summer.

So to summarize the story that I've already posted in the Spring, I saw Mimi's ad on hx (another social site for mongering) all the way back earlier in the year. I texted the ad and I normally wouldn't, because it didn't have any pictures or details. But she answered my inquires and price haggling with directness and naivety so I knew she was new to this gig. When we met up, I got her to spend the whole afternoon with me as we fucked repeatedly, punctured by casual conversation. I gave her $20 for all of that. We really clicked and I added her on FB. On the days following that, I kept in contact with her as we talked about our daily lives. One day I asked her out to lunch and she agreed. We ate and we fucked again. I half expected that she was going to charge me right when I drop her off, but instead she tells me, "thank you for the sex" and got out.

That was the first time I hooked up legitimately with a chick I've met hooking and it felt great. We became friends in the following weeks and months. I would see her once or twice a week and I would take her out to bars, drop X, and we would fuck. I would take her out on night drives and she would take me to the desert where we would watch the stars and she would give me head. Then we would hit up IHOP and end the night with our stomachs full of food and her's full of cum. She was the perfect fuck buddy.

I even introduced her to my circle of friends as I tried to integrate her in. She took me to her house where I met her family and her 3 young kids. I even met her ex hubby when she invited me to a house party and I almost got into a fight with him after he sees how intimate we were. She included me in her life and told me her secrets and personal stories about the men she's been with, the men she's using now, the crazy sugar daddies who obsess over her, etc. I became her confidant for some reason, and she chose me to unload all these things to. I even got into a fight with a crazy old dude who stalks her on FB after he sees I've tagged a few pics of me and her. He's pretty dimwitted so me and my friends would fuck around with him with our witty and playful teasing. It was a fun and crazy time.

In the summer I took her to Santa Barbara for a few days vacation. We strolled on the beach, ate at fine restaurants, went wine tasting. We even snuck out in the farm of some vineyard and found a small clearing and fucked in broad daylight with animals and shit around us. It was all a big adventure for us. But I think we were both blinded by the sun, and the novelty of what we were doing, because she told me on that trip that she would even be willing to drop the other guys in her life for me. So I beat out a bodybuilder lawyer, a Russian parole officer, an Iranian computer nerd, a crazy old contractor from Stanfield who pays for her phone, and an old rich sugar daddy who owns a shit ton of Arizona land. So yea I felt good that she made me out to be Last Man Standing. I asked her if she was serious because this monogamy would technically make me her boyfriend, but she said she already made up her mind and that she's only going to fuck me from now on.

After that trip I didn't know if she really knew what it meant to be taking this step with me. This was a troubled chick with attachment issues and who's afraid of commitments but somehow she was doing it for me. Then maybe because of this realization, I started caring for her. Like really caring for her. I began treating her like a girlfriend. Calling her everyday and worrying about her and the whole nine yards. But the problem with me caring for her, is that I already had a girlfriend during this whole entire time.

In fact, I've been with a girlfriend since 2011 who I loved, and yet I've been cheating on. It was never with women I had actual affairs with, so never with mistresses, just hookers. Mimi, was the only exception. The picture below with the three of us was taken on the 4th of July, where I thought it'd be funny to get both of my girls together in one shot. Mimi (left) knew about my girlfriend from day one but my actual girlfriend (on the right) was completely clueless who she was. Yes I know I'm a pretty fucked up douche bag, but that's the truth.

All of this finally came crashing in the beginning of August. I was getting more attached to Mimi everyday and I think she sensed it and started pulling back. The more she did, the more frustrated I became and the more I tried to pull her in. Finally on the day of her birthday, I was suppose to take her and her kids to Fossil Creek. She changed plans on me and said she was too depressed to go anywhere. I said alright. On the night before her birthday, I thought I would come by her house and surprise her with a gift. She wasn't home and was told by her kids that she just went out but would be back soon. So I waited for her. She never came back that night and her worried kids was asking me where their mom went. I told them I did not know because I really didn't. Mimi had turned off her phone after ignoring my repeated calls and messages. Thinking she would be back later, I stayed with her kids and fell asleep. I got a message the next morning from her telling me she's taking her kids to Fossil Creek with an old ex of hers and that I should leave her place because she was bringing him over. I was infuriated because she had obviously spent the night with this dude and was now pushing me out of the plans for him. I told her I wanted to talk to her. A few text messages were exchanged but basically it was over shortly. She did not want me coming by her place again and that was that.

I wish I can end the story there but a month later in September, the worse finally happen. My actual girlfriend, oblivious to this whole drama the entire time, found footage on my computer that I had taken with Mimi (yes a sex tape). She had evidently stumbled on this video, and watched it while I was taking a nap. Needless to say, she broke up with me but not before I've broken her heart in one of the worse ways possible. Imagine how hurtful would it be if she just heard about it, but actually seeing it, takes it to another level. And the fact that she knew who the chick was (from the 4th of July) and hanged out and talked with her, only made it that much more painful. I know I could never make any of it better for her but I tried anyway. I apologized in a suit, gave her a full confession and explanation, wrote her messages and poems, bought her flowers, chocolates, jewelry, etc etc etc all in the hopes that maybe we could just be friends. I wanted her to forgive me, to keep me around her life, but she didn't even want that. Who can blame her?

Even now, months after, I still think about these women. I truly cared for them and yet I've driven both away and neither of them are a part of my life anymore. Funny thing is, I could easily blame Mimi for the whole thing. I should be furious with her because she was a huge part of it, but I'm not. I know better. All of this was my doing and I can admit that. Even after the damage she caused, I hate to admit it but I still do care for Mimi. I don't even know why sometimes, but I guess I found a connection with her that I never really had with many women.

Nevertheless, I have to let her go. So I am prepared to give her number to you senior members out there. I think she's prepared to take some clients because she can always use the money. I'll actually be doing her a favor. So Seniors PM me!

Anyway, sorry to have to be the one to write the longest post ever on this forum but truthfully, I'm writing this more for myself than for any other reason.LOL nice one.

[Supaspiffy]

To those of you who have tried PMing me, try it again. I've cleared my inbox now.

[Tjinla2001]

Can I get your ex-GF number instead? She is much hotter imo.Wow you left the girl on the right for that pig on the left? Yeah I'll take the ex gf number too.

[Finaqua]

Wow you left the girl on the right for that pig on the left? Yeah I'll take the ex gf number too.SS... Great story. Very well written, captivating in fact. Thank you for sharing.

I agree with these other guys, however. Your girlfriend is 100,000 x more attractive, plus (one would assume) doesn't have the baggage of being an escort, crazy stalkers, crazy ex-husband, etc.

What was missing or what was the problem with your girlfriend? I can understand the sex / monger part, but you were also seeking out a full blown relationship.

[Supaspiffy]

SS... Great story. Very well written, captivating in fact. Thank you for sharing.

I agree with these other guys, however. Your girlfriend is 100,000 x more attractive, plus (one would assume) doesn't have the baggage of being an escort, crazy stalkers, crazy ex-husband, etc.

What was missing or what was the problem with your girlfriend? I can understand the sex / monger part, but you were also seeking out a full blown relationship.I don't think I intended to seek out a full blown relationship in the start. But I was always down for some mongering because my gf had always been sexually close minded. She wouldn't give head and the sex with her was always meh... She tells me to get off once we both cum, never any multiples and just no fiery passion about it. She's 6 years younger than me and I met her two and a half years ago, when she was just 19, so I suppose you can chalk it up to little experience and immaturity. But she never really grew with me. The most that I've gotten her to do during all that time was to convince her to get on the pill and have me cum inside.

Anyway, aside from the sex, I also felt that her immaturity extends further. I really can't talk to her about anything deep. Anything with current events, politics, intellectual topics, or anything else which requires you to have your own opinion... she shuts down. But we have no problem talking about cartoons, Disney movies, classes, and day to day shit. I really did feel like I was with a kid. I guess what I found with Mimi, was maturity and connection in a deep mental level. This was a chick that grew up fast, had her first kid when she was 15 and when I met her, she was 28. She's a year older than me. So yea I guess I got drawn in from fuck buddy to obsessed boyfriend and it crept up on me. By the time I noticed it, I was too far gone.

[Con Cac]

I don't think I intended to seek out a full blown relationship in the start. But I was always down for some mongering because my gf had always been sexually close minded. She wouldn't give head and the sex with her was always meh... She tells me to get off once we both cum, never any multiples and just no fiery passion about it. She's 6 years younger than me and I met her two and a half years ago, when she was just 19, so I suppose you can chalk it up to little experience and immaturity. But she never really grew with me. The most that I've gotten her to do during all that time was to convince her to get on the pill and have me cum inside.

Anyway, aside from the sex, I also felt that her immaturity extends further. I really can't talk to her about anything deep. Anything with current events, politics, intellectual topics, or anything else which requires you to have your own opinion... she shuts down. But we have no problem talking about cartoons, Disney movies, classes, and day to day shit. I really did feel like I was with a kid. I guess what I found with Mimi, was maturity and connection in a deep mental level. This was a chick that grew up fast, had her first kid when she was 15 and when I met her, she was 28. She's a year older than me. So yea I guess I got drawn in from fuck buddy to obsessed boyfriend and it crept up on me. By the time I noticed it, I was too far gone.Hmmm... This is interesting. I am / was in the same boat as you. Met my wife when she was 19 with a child. I was 26. The sex was ammmmazing. I think that's what kept me around for so long until she matured. Like you I couldn't talk to her about anything deep or meaningful. My sex drive is ridic and she was able to feed that hunger and beyond. Eventually she matured and we are able to talk about deep meaningful stuff and have that connection... Fast forward 5 years 2 daughter later (3 kids). The sex dwindled but my drive still up there. Got into this hobby so that I can fulfill that part of my life and keep a happy marriage. I almost got caught up with one but thankfully she cut the cord before I got caught too deep. Thank you for sharing your story. I'm sorry that you lost your girl over this but this will remind me that I do NOT want to get caught up and get in a relationship.

[LuvingFully]

Interesting tattoo advertising services, however, further investigation revealed there is no truth in it. Mental stability questionable. Appearance aside, it is recommended that one avoid and do not engage in conversation289618.

[DavePHX]

LE ALERT.

From well known companion 12/4/2013:

"I got arrested last night at the crown plaza hotel I met him on (certain) site there were about 12 of us girls from this site in custody..PLEASE BECAREFUL".

Dave comments:

This might be opportunity to fight the law if some gals willing. I have suggested motion ideas etc but need to be working with a attorney willing to fight. All the County / city spends on in private adult sexuality should be going for child abuse uninvestigated cases and so many crimes with real victims, not just feeding the scam of the arresting to "save" nonsense.

This is NOT from BP ads.

[Reallly Bored]

LE ALERT.

From well known companion 12/4/2013:

"I got arrested last night at the crown plaza hotel I met him on (certain) site there were about 12 of us girls from this site in custody..PLEASE BECAREFUL".

Dave comments:

This might be opportunity to fight the law if some gals willing. I have suggested motion ideas etc but need to be working with a attorney willing to fight. All the County / city spends on in private adult sexuality should be going for child abuse uninvestigated cases and so many crimes with real victims, not just feeding the scam of the arresting to "save" nonsense.

This is NOT from BP ads.I am really thinking twice about reviewing anyone else. The last thing I want is to get a girl in trouble.

[Member #5432]

I am really thinking twice about reviewing anyone else. The last thing I want is to get a girl in trouble.I've come to the same conclusions. Seems like sometimes we give a few too many details that makes it quite easy for LE to identify some of our friends. Of course, as for SWs, they are pretty easy to identify as is.

I can't help but wonder if reviews from this site have ever been used in a legal case against a provider? Seems like murky legal issues.

[Boogaloo Sam]

I haven't had much luck placing ads on craigslist to help a young woman in need. Although, this story helps put that into perspective.

Police: Newlyweds lure man through Craigslist for thrill killing.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/08/justice/craigslist-thrill-killing/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[Waitingtoexpel]

I don't think I intended to seek out a full blown relationship in the start. But I was always down for some mongering because my gf had always been sexually close minded. She wouldn't give head and the sex with her was always meh... She tells me to get off once we both cum, never any multiples and just no fiery passion about it. She's 6 years younger than me and I met her two and a half years ago, when she was just 19, so I suppose you can chalk it up to little experience and immaturity. But she never really grew with me. The most that I've gotten her to do during all that time was to convince her to get on the pill and have me cum inside.

Anyway, aside from the sex, I also felt that her immaturity extends further. I really can't talk to her about anything deep. Anything with current events, politics, intellectual topics, or anything else which requires you to have your own opinion... she shuts down. But we have no problem talking about cartoons, Disney movies, classes, and day to day shit. I really did feel like I was with a kid. I guess what I found with Mimi, was maturity and connection in a deep mental level. This was a chick that grew up fast, had her first kid when she was 15 and when I met her, she was 28. She's a year older than me. So yea I guess I got drawn in from fuck buddy to obsessed boyfriend and it crept up on me. By the time I noticed it, I was too far gone.Yikes. What a story. Very well written and understandable.

Everything you've said really reminds me of my own experiences with women. I feel like all men need to have a slutty girlfriend to understand why the VAST majority of women with high dick counts cannot be trusted and should not be wifed up under any circumstances. You've now learned the hard way not to turn a hoe into a housewife.
Yes, they are more relatable, as they think like and behave like men in some ways, but it's harder for them to form bonds, they are more likely to cheat, they have a lot of baggage that can fuck up your life (3 kids?), and they will inevitably betray you. It sucks that you had to lose your other girlfriend (lol) in the process though, especially since she is straight up fucking gorg. However, from a karmic standpoint it was probably for the best that she found that video, hopefully it will also teach you to put a password on the computer that you keep sextapes on.

It's funny though, I find most of the things you didn't like about your gf to be desirable. The fact that she was sexually reserved and not yet a mature thinker are also actually benefits that would have worked to your advantage in the long run, as you would have been able to help shape her thinking and taste in those regards. As I've gotten older, I've found that purity is probably the most irreplaceable virtue in a mate. Hoes are fun, but so is playing with fire.
Also, the fact that she was willing to go on the pill for you says a lot. I've had girlfriends who would do absolutely everything in bed who still wouldn't do that for me (probably because they wanted 18 years of child support money, but still). And all women (and men) are hoes on some level, once you find out what gifts or liquor a girl likes, that usually takes care of the refusing to give head problem.

[DavePHX]

I am really thinking twice about reviewing anyone else. The last thing I want is to get a girl in trouble.Reviews while can be used to scare one into taking a plea the ads are a much larger risk. If a case every goes to trial reviews are third-party hearsay unless a foundation is lawyed by the testimony of whoever wrote the review. So very hard to actually use as evidence.

Ads easy. Use sexual terms and its automatic solicitation bust. Or the too frequent escorting without a license easy bust.

[DavePHX]

LE Multi-Agency Operation Concern.

Mysteriously 10 mug shots of prostitution busts prematurely were taken off the Maricopa County Mug shot site. And new arrests appear not to be appearing.

From what little we know:

1) From Last week. Crown Plaza 25th Ave / Peoria lure by LE with black swat van, bust previously widely reported.

2) Reported 12/9 (happened day before) Mesa. The cop made an appointment. Nothing was mentioned about sex at all. When the cop came to her door and she opened it the cop pushed his way in with about 10 other cops behind him. They threw her on the couch and told her to shut up. She was in lingerie and asked to put on a robe but they wouldn't let her. They showed her a copy of her BP ad and they also looked around her apartment. They did NOT arrest her or put her in handcuffs. They gave her a ticket with 3 charges: escorting without a license. I think the other charges had to do with advertising with sexually explicit pictures but I could be wrong. (Dave is puzzled what other tickets could be for). We could not believe that the cops could just bust in your house like that and use force in order to just give her tickets but not arrest. "This happened in Mesa. I am so scared now." (See my ticket notes later. Simply don't arrest you but you still are charged and more charges can be filed. It is often a "Cite in lieu of detention".

3) Late Last week. 44th St / Oak Phx. A companion who is also a dancer and a another dancer from Christies were contacted on line not known from where. The dancer rented a room at the Extended Stay on 44th and Oak. The guy came to the room and immediately started asking what she would do and how much for each. Her friend gave him everything he needed. He walked into the bathroom and immediately the swat team came through the door. The dancer / companion says she did not ever say a word and they have nothing on tape of her talking at all. But the other girl spilled the beans. They may have met this guy in the club and set it up there.

4) 12/9 and about 10 days ago I have received forwarded messages sent to two active well known companions from Kevin xxxxx trying to set up each gal to for $6000 to her and for her to find 2 "girlfriends" who he would pay $3000 each to meet with 5 boys and himself 15-15-16-17-17-18. Kevin says they have money from winning a horse race. This might be a total prank and can not imagine any companion falling for this.

A companions says:

12/9/2013. Hi Dave, Check out this email I just got this afternoon. It sounds extremely suspicious to me. Maybe LE is trying to get some ladies mugshots in the news this year for criminal enterprise and pedophilia. Why do they hate us so much?

We know many other busts from pulled mugshots and of course the Chandler massage parlor bust last week widely reported in the media.

All this activity reminds me of the 3 or 4 prior multi-agency, multi-city, joint national FBI coordinated sting that has always included Phoenix. As I've reported FBI simply means local LE designated as temporary FBI so can go after anyone that helps a companion to charge with Federal sex trafficking. Remember federal sex trafficking includes consenting adults.

If there is any forced helping a "prostitute" than it is "extreme trafficking" vs just trafficking if consenting adults. Severe penalties even for regular trafficking. This can be with a boyfriend or husband helping, a driver, two companions helping each other, a phone / appt person, a website with ads like busted in the past. Website owners usually need to have active participation such as screening or approval of ads or criteria for reviews. If anyone can post anything then the website owners seem protected. This is the New Times argument and what was used by CraigsList before decided to give up the legal battle and close the adult section.

The prior national operations which included arrests in Phoenix of companions found about 4 under aged with like 1000 arrested. But the FBI perhaps out of embarrassment it was mostly private adult prostitution they in the last operation didn't break down adults vs involvement with under aged. However researchers getting info from local police in various cities were able to confirm almost all of the arrests were adult consenting related.

This operation started a few years ago led by the Cook County Ill Sheriff guy with all the funding and media hype of course on the sham of children and trafficking.

On "Tickets".

Cite in lieu of detention (CLD): This is when the officer writes you a "Ticket" for an alleged offense and then has you sign the bottom promising to appear in court on a certain date. He then hands you the ticket and releases you. The next date on the ticket is what is known as an "Initial Appearance".

However based on more evidence found after the ticket, the County Attorney can file a "direct complaint" for additional charges or common in Maricopa Cty a "True Bill" from a Grand Jury indictment. Based on what is said when "ticketed" this could turn escorting without a license ticket into other crimes. My understanding is in Phoenix its just a $700-1000 civil fine, but a criminal offense in Scottsdale subject to mandatory minimum 15 days in jail with the new 2013 law.

Getting an escort license is virtually impossible (and its reported don't even have forms to apply in Scottsdale and Chandler). In most cities complete client log with identification of all clients what done etc is required. And of course no sexual activities. Mesa has a separate licensing for semi-nude wrestling where there is physical contact under the sexually orientated business code section.

Mesa. Escort Application included with Sexually Oriented Business License and city code.

Appears Mesa like Phoenix requires an escort to work for an agency unlike in Scottsdale where individual allowed to be licensed. In Mesa it is criminal not civil. ESCORT: A person who for tips or any other form of consideration agrees or offers to act as a companion or date for another person and who offers to privately model lingerie, to perform a striptease, to appear in a state of nudity or semi-nudity, to display any specified anatomical areas, or perform any specified sexual activities. (2618,3740).

Must have a physical location, open for inspection, with proper zoning and no prostitution allowed.

In recent cases now in Superior Court, I note the State is using prior "tickets" like escorting without a license or massage without a license as an aggravating circumstances for harsher sentencing if later have criminal charges filed. In felony prostitution cases: Criminal enterprise / money laundering, pandering etc., the State is trying to layer on charges for different dates so if convicted it is not probation eligible.

County Attorney xxxxxxxx seems to being trying hard to fill Arizona prisons with nice women whose crime is providing alleged pleasures to other adults. This of course allows bragging ahead of elections on being tough on crime. And the need for more funding to stop prostitution always with the sham asserted link to children and forced trafficking.

[BigPappi]

New to the site and was looking for some solid recommendations, rather than the same ol' BP adds, I didn't come across anything that sparked my interest, so back to the BP adds I went. Came across this:

http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/blonde-hottie-18/25905820

Opted for the double trouble and let me tell you although they are new to the game definitely they are worth the $ The young hot pussy bareback was worth the little extra. They started the game with each other, switched to a BBBJ while the other Sat. On my face, then switched to double dipping them both, and I ended the game with a facial and greek.

[BigPappi]

New to the site, was trolling looking for something new rather than the same ol BP adds. Didn't come across anything here that sparked my interest so back to BP. Came across this one, http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/blonde-hottie-18/25905820. well worth the money.

Opted for the trio, and the young hot pussy was great. They started the show with each other then switched to a BBBJ while the other one Sat. On my face. They enjoyed each other as much as they did me. Switched things up and began double dipping them both and ended the game with a facial and greek. Although they are new to game definitely worth the $ and time. Good time was had by all.

[Reallly Bored]

New to the site, was trolling looking for something new rather than the same ol BP adds. Didn't come across anything here that sparked my interest so back to BP. Came across this one, http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/blonde-hottie-18/25905820. well worth the money.

Opted for the trio, and the young hot pussy was great. They started the show with each other then switched to a BBBJ while the other one Sat. On my face. They enjoyed each other as much as they did me. Switched things up and began double dipping them both and ended the game with a facial and greek. Although they are new to game definitely worth the $ and time. Good time was had by all.My guess is you are their "manager".

[Jo Kuz]

New to the site, was trolling looking for something new rather than the same ol BP adds. Didn't come across anything here that sparked my interest so back to BP. Came across this one, http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/blonde-hottie-18/25905820. well worth the money.

Opted for the trio, and the young hot pussy was great. They started the show with each other then switched to a BBBJ while the other one Sat. On my face. They enjoyed each other as much as they did me. Switched things up and began double dipping them both and ended the game with a facial and greek. Although they are new to game definitely worth the $ and time. Good time was had by all.Sounds good but your link doesn't work, would like to see more.

[Member #4210]

Sounds good but your link doesn't work, would like to see more.The link on the first post works.

I agree; he must be managing her / them.

[Jamesj]

New to the site, was trolling looking for something new rather than the same ol BP adds. Didn't come across anything here that sparked my interest so back to BP. Came across this one, http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/blonde-hottie-18/25905820. well worth the money.

Opted for the trio, and the young hot pussy was great. They started the show with each other then switched to a BBBJ while the other one Sat. On my face. They enjoyed each other as much as they did me. Switched things up and began double dipping them both and ended the game with a facial and greek. Although they are new to game definitely worth the $ and time. Good time was had by all.Total BS report from "management" or a sting setup.

Why would anyone believe such nonsense from a 1st (and only) post?

Be safe, AVOID!

JAMESJ.

[DrGori]

Sooooo, what's this about? Does anyone know?

http://phoenix.backpage.com/Domination/secrets-grand-opening-50-21/26076828

[NorthScotts2]

Very interesting because it is right across from bay one. Wonder why this area is seeing increased presence and for some reason massage places always open in clusters close to each other. I've never really understood that from a business perspective. Good catch drgori!


Sooooo, what's this about? Does anyone know?

http://phoenix.backpage.com/Domination/secrets-grand-opening-50-21/26076828

[DavePHX]

MCSO deputies arrested 111 people on prostitution and drug charges in a massive sting operation called Operation Vice Grip that lasted 2 weeks.

More than half of the arrests are for various sex- and drug-related felony charges, including 20 arrests connected to child prostitution.

30 soliciting a minor for prostitution.

31 misdemeanor prostitution charges with adults.

21 drug-related felonies.

18 adult business misdemeanors.

16 outstanding felony warrants.

In the course of the two-week long operation.

The charges these 30 suspects face are class 2 felonies, which could mean a minimum seven years in prison.

MCSO is holding a news conference Wednesday afternoon to release more information about Operation Vice Grip.

[Higgs Boson]

Sooooo, what's this about? Does anyone know?
http://phoenix.backpage.com/Domination/secrets-grand-opening-50-21/26076828File this under the same category as Dream Palace, modeling establishments, and the one-on-one places on University. In a county where the attorney general and sheriff are elected on platforms and publicity related to "cleaning up", do you really think a place with a storefront will really "deliver" what they're implying? We've had enough reports about these sort of places over the years. TGTBT and / or designed to empty your wallet and deliver nothing.

If anyone here actually visits and gets what they expected, then PM me and I'll be next in line (grin).

Higgs.

[Higgs Boson]

Very interesting because it is right across from bay one. Wonder why this area is seeing increased presence and for some reason massage places always open in clusters close to each other. I've never really understood that from a business perspective.Why? Zoning and ordinances specifying minimum distances to schools and churches, plus local neighborhood pressures. I live in an area where an owner of a strip mall (no pun intended) wanted to change the commercial zoning to one that would allow adult establishments. Despite the fact that the minimum distances I mentioned would have prohibited adult establishments, the neighborhood was up in arms and clearly made their concerns heard.

Adult establishments have a lot of restrictions on location. That's one reason why you have at least a half dozen strip clubs within one mile of 35th Ave and Indian School Rd. The area has light industry and the poor neighborhoods are not well organized. Heck the clubs probably provide employment opportunities. Thinking about the location of strip clubs, about the only ones I think don't fit that light industrial location might be Bandaids and the Hi Liter which were probably grandfathered in when the zoning changes were made. OK, Candy Store too. Christies' in Tempe is probably there due to zoning permitting hotels and entertainment establishments. Look at Christies' in Glendale: it's located under a bridge next to a rail crossing. Xplicit is across the street from a landfill in Glendale.

Several years ago Phoenix was going to change either an ordinance or zoning that would have prohibited certain activities including adult establishments in particular areas. Before the change was to take effect, the owners of the Castle chain quickly opened one of their emporiums in a north Phoenix location off of I-17. The neighbors howled but they couldn't do anything about it.

Higgs.

[Member #4210]

Thanks for keeping up on these matters. It is a very dangerous world and I just want to let you know I support your posts. Albeit they are rather long at times but the salient details are often helpful. I refrain from quoting the most recent set of busts out of respect for others.

Thank you!

[NorthScotts2]

Funny you mentioned zoning because the last time I was there apple mentioned that all the cars parked out side were for a church that is located in the same building. Maybe the code specifies that it must be a certain type of building and not just renting a suite in an office complex. Who knows.


Why? Zoning and ordinances specifying minimum distances to schools and churches, plus local neighborhood pressures. I live in an area where an owner of a strip mall (no pun intended) wanted to change the commercial zoning to one that would allow adult establishments. Despite the fact that the minimum distances I mentioned would have prohibited adult establishments, the neighborhood was up in arms and clearly made their concerns heard.

Adult establishments have a lot of restrictions on location. That's one reason why you have at least a half dozen strip clubs within one mile of 35th Ave and Indian School Rd. The area has light industry and the poor neighborhoods are not well organized. Heck the clubs probably provide employment opportunities. Thinking about the location of strip clubs, about the only ones I think don't fit that light industrial location might be Bandaids and the Hi Liter which were probably grandfathered in when the zoning changes were made. OK, Candy Store too. Christies' in Tempe is probably there due to zoning permitting hotels and entertainment establishments. Look at Christies' in Glendale: it's located under a bridge next to a rail crossing. Xplicit is across the street from a landfill in Glendale.

Several years ago Phoenix was going to change either an ordinance or zoning that would have prohibited certain activities including adult establishments in particular areas. Before the change was to take effect, the owners of the Castle chain quickly opened one of their emporiums in a north Phoenix location off of I-17. The neighbors howled but they couldn't do anything about it.

Higgs.

[DavePHX]

all this was just msco 111 and seems all customers lured from ads.

ads which are still up 3 sites, says age 18. photos fake found on other sites.

we know other agencies also arrested companions that had nothing to do with msco or ****d.

[Member #4210]

A while back I listened to those older, wiser and more experienced. And they said they never went near anyone who advertised they were only 18 or 19 just to avoid any chance of under age contact. It seemed like good advice. Then I found those who were 18 or 19 admitting they lied about being 21 in their ads so they could draw more men. While the average provider lies about her age (typically claiming to be younger than they are), it was something to realize that the younger ones play the game to draw the most they can as well.

It is best to avoid those marginal ages, particularly 18 0 r 19 year olds for several reasons.

[Member #5112]

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[Balls25]

Milkman you beat me to it. I just found out that one of my ATF in Memphis is in your area. Guys if you love sexy sweet chocolate women then Easter is for you. She loves what she does and I've seen her many times and have always been satisfied. She is fun to be around and very easy to talk to. She also has reviews on TER #227636 and on eccie.net in Tennessee section. We hate that she is out there right now and not in Memphis. Please show her a good time out there and treat her right.

[DavePHX]

significant win on constitutional issues that could apply to prostitution cases

could utah ruling that the law banning religious cohabitation violated the first and fourteenth amendments have arguments to help phoenix goddess temple or the many felony and other cases pending in phoenix related to private consenting adult prostitution?

this is especially significant since it is a u.s. court decision which overrides state laws to the contrary. so a win on the unconstitutionality of prostitution laws for in private consenting adults, or religious freedom (temple case) trumps all state laws. it is also a summary judgment - court rule law is clear, so no need for a trial or further proceedings. the state of utah's law is void.

only a lawyer can evaluate this 91 page opinion quotes extensively and uses similar arguments of lawrence vs texas. on privacy, due process clause, no laws based on morality and other constitutional issues similar to issues of in private consenting adult prostitution.

the judge clearly wrestled with his decision, but finally came to the conclusion that, “given the relatively mature law on privacy rights, there’s no basis to interfere with relations among consenting adults.”

in fact in utah, judge wxxxxxxxx cited the supreme court's 2003 decision in lawrence v. texas, which struck down a law against sodomy, quoting from the court's majority decision: "liberty protects the person from unwarranted government intrusions into a dwelling or other private places. in our tradition the state is not omnipresent in the home...liberty presumes an autonomy of self that includes freedom of thought, belief, expression, and certain intimate conduct.

"and there are other spheres of our lives and existence, outside the home, where the state should not be a dominant presence. freedom extends beyond spatial bounds. liberty presumes an autonomy of self that includes freedom of thought, belief, expression, and certain intimate conduct..

other than the current sham of the lie that all prostitution is never by choice but because prostitutes all suffer from sexual abuse, or exploitation since no women is capable of choosing freely giving pleasure as a career.. the utah prosecutors comments included in the evidence could apply to in private consenting adult sexwork:

"according to bridget rxxxx, utah’s solicitor general, xxxxxx ruling, while groundbreaking, won’t have much impact on law enforcement activities in the state. rxxxx says that, typically, polygamous families are not targeted by law enforcement unless there are other “more serious” crimes alleged – like abuse, **** marriage, or welfare fraud. in cases like that, says romano, prosecutors might tack on a violation of the cohabitation statute."

this also is somewhat the view of the canadian supreme court but with a focus on harm reduction being the result of total decriminalization ruling in canada. while its a stretch - replace "cohabitation statue" with "in private consenting adults" and you may get the same legal argument in the u.s.

full ruling at https://ecf.utd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?211cv0652-78
plaintiffs that won are the plural family featured in "sister wives" tv program
defendant is the county attorney for utah county

for temple case isn't their spiritual practices or that of tantra similar to cohabitation in utah based on mormonism? this is supported in the utah case under the "free exercise" construct of the u.s. constitution.

"...the court believes that reynolds is not, or should no longer be considered, good law, but also acknowledges its ambiguous status given its continued citation by both the supreme court and the tenth circuit as general historical support for the broad principle that a statute may incidentally burden a particular religious practice so long as it is a generally applicable, neutral law not arising from religious animus or targeted at a specific religious group or practice.

"...following lawrence (v. texas) and based on the arguments presented by defendant in both his filings and at oral argument, the state of utah has no rational basis under the due process clause on which to prohibit the type of religious cohabitation at issue here; thus, the cohabitation prong of the statute is facially unconstitutional.

much of the rest of these excerpts could perhaps apply both the private prostitution and the temple:

"plaintiffs truncate the glucksberg analysis by reference to lawrence, which they argue establishes “a fundamental liberty interest in intimate sexual conduct”, thus prohibiting the state “from imposing criminal sanctions for intimate sexual conduct in the home.” lawrence was the latest iteration in a long series of constitutional decisions amplifying a core principle: the due process clause circumscribes and in some cases virtually forbids state intervention in private relationships and conduct.”

dave notes "home" is implied both here and in lawrence and another 5th circuit case. i would argue a hotel room rented by either an escort or client, or the temple, is private just as much as in a bedroom in a home.

.......thus, “[t]he statutes do seek to control a personal relationship that, whether or not entitled to formal recognition in the law, is within the liberty of persons to choose without being punished as criminals.” id. . moreover, the court acknowledged that “adults may choose to enter upon this relationship in the confines of their homes and their own private lives and still retain their dignity as free persons. . . . the liberty protected by the constitution allows homosexual persons the right to make this choice.”

lawrence involved “two adults who, with full and mutual consent from each other, engaged in sexual practices common to a homosexual lifestyle” and “are entitled to respect for their private lives.” id. accordingly, based on the broader liberty analysis, the court held that [t]he state cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime. their right to liberty under the due process clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government. ‘it is a promise of the constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter.’ [plannedparenthoodofsoutheasternpa.v.] casey, 505 u.s. [833], 847 [(1992)] . . . . the texas statute furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual.

skipping many pages more discussing the utah history and polygamy

the court finds that each of plaintiffs’ companion constitutional claims—the freedom of association claim, the substantive due process claim, the equal protection claim, the free speech claim, or the establishment clause claim, each as argued in plaintiffs’ memorandum in support of their motion for summary judgment (dkt. no. 50), and each largely or entirely unopposed by defendant (with the exception of the substantive due process claim)—makes a “colorable showing” of a constitutional violation, thus requiring heightened scrutiny of the statute under smith. swanson, 135 f.3d 694, 700 & n.5; axson-flynn, 356 f.3d at 1295-97. as discussed above and for those reasons, the cohabitation prong of the statute cannot withstand heightened scrutiny as to any compelling state interest and must be stricken when reviewed against that standard.

skipping lots

consensual sexual privacy is the touchstone of the rational basis review analysis in this case, as in lawrence.

...adultery, including adulterous cohabitation, is not prosecuted.

court also discusses why law is void for vagueness under the which has been used by arizona lawyers to challenge the state prostitution law but has not been to trial yet that i know of.

conclusion
the court finds the cohabitation prong of the statute unconstitutional on numerous grounds and strikes it.

so ordered this 13th day of december, 2013.
by the court:

______________________________
clark wxxxxxxxxxx
united states district court judge

[DavePHX]

msco entrapment gone too far? like in 1990's.

sheriff joe is back in all his gloating glory with the "111 sting".

but now it all makes sense – the massive number of calls to escorts so obviously le trying so hard to entrap to say the wrong thing. fortunately most escorts / companions just hung up on them.

all the mass mailings to escorts from the guy wanting to pay $6000 for an escort to meet with 15-17 year old boys- most likely msco attempts to entrap.

probably all from msco like in the old days back in the 90's or early 2000's. ever since joe had all his mass massage cases dismissed he has not been active going after in private consenting adult sexworkers with their scams of the victimization industry machine. now with all the child abuse cases uninvestigated he seems to have found his chance to add a new page to his tough on crime glory of joe chapter by entrapping into **** sex for those foolish enough to respond to ads for an 18 year old with pictures of women aged 25-26.

lured into the ad, many men were foolish or ignorant to know the trouble they were in when the tempe entrapment cop mentioned she was age 16 – despite the ad and no one under 21 can even place an ad on bp. and most states the age of majority is 16 or less unlike arizona.

none of us condones or wants anything to do with under aged issues. however msco may have gone too far in their desperate attempt to lure into a trap.

as in the previously alert i suspect now the infamous kevin dxxx e-mail to so many escorts was really msco. if made known this could again have gone too far against public policy just like in the decade ago massage cases. this is probably msco:

on mon, dec 16,2013 at 11:42 am, kevin dxxxx<whitedick01@outlook.com wrote:
hi dear.
we are between 15 and 18.6 friends.. 15. 15. 16. 17. 17 and 18.
need 2 lady. you have girlfriend?
but i can give total 6 000 for night. for you 3 000 and 3 000 for other lady.
6000 too much money for us. but we won horse race.
what do you think. do you want help us?
and of course depends your services.
thanks in advance.

there was even thoughts of how to turn this into the police but no one wants to get involved. now we suspect it was part of the msco sting trying to get companions to respond. doubt anyone would be that dumb as maybe 20 phoenix companions forwarded me this e-mail or after my alert told me they also got the same one. when they respond in disgust, the guy does reply. often he says something like for $6 k he will find someone else that is willing.

i wonder if any attorneys are going to try and use any entrapment defense – very tough to do but with all the mass mailings to entrap by we assume msco the public might be so outraged perhaps montgomery will decide not to prosecute as it would be too embarrassing if the media got wind of the tactics.

[Sdevil]

Hello Ladies and Gentlemen. I ask for your help and assistance. I have been out of the game for two to three years due to a relationship that has since ended. I am coming back to the Valley next week to see friends, family, warm up and maybe play a little. This will be my first trip back in a few years. I have read the reviews on several boards and honestly after a while they become the same. What I'm looking for is a great, pouty lipped, make out session with an oral recap. Spinner prefer but not mandatory. I can live with or with out the other stuff but really would like a great kisser. I would appreciate any tips of advice you can give. Of course PM always accepted. I hope to hear from you. Merry Christmas everybody. SDevil.

[Hobbymaster]

When I found this site I freaked. Privacy is going away. Sites that do this are not good.

http://www.exposingjohns.com/

[DavePHX]

When I found this site I freaked. Privacy is going away. Sites that do this are not good.
http://www.exposingjohns.com/And there are similar sites exposing escorts. One run by a bible thumper exposing all the working girls with lots of personal information.

Very little can be done legally except when for escorts had pictures taken from escorts site and complaint to host got removed based on terms of use of copy written material which includes a picture.

But only removed since violated Terms of Agreement of Host. To sue on copyright have to prove dollar amount of damages. Almost impossible to take down information if in the public domain. Similar issues to mugshot sites even if charges dismissed may have to pay site to take down mug shots since are public records.

[Tooncinator]

And there are similar sites exposing escorts. One run by a bible thumper exposing all the working girls with lots of personal information.

Very little can be done legally except when for escorts had pictures taken from escorts site and complaint to host got removed based on terms of use of copy written material which includes a picture.

But only removed since violated Terms of Agreement of Host. To sue on copyright have to prove dollar amount of damages. Almost impossible to take down information if in the public domain. Similar issues to mugshot sites even if charges dismissed may have to pay site to take down mug shots since are public records.Of course, it would be "wrong" if people submitted DMCA infrigement complaints and had the site summarily shutdown until proven innocent. Yep, just wrong.

[DavePHX]

The Studio Update and anatomy of a case.

I attended the January 6 case management conference. It was sad to see so many young women paraded before the Court facing 5-10+ years in prison if convicted after being assured their studio set up was legal.

16 Indicted, 10 were in Court or waived (one that is pregnant by telephone). The rest are still outstanding with arrests warrants but not yet found. 2 new self surrenders were recently arraigned and I believe 2 more have been arrested but not yet shown in the Court records.

It appears all except the owner are out on bail. The owner was brought into court in jail stripes and handcuffs so obviously unable to make his $50,000 bail.

Bad for the women also is the fact that their cases just like in the 2+ year old Phoenix Temple case may rest on the results of an ultimate trial of the owner. The Studio's owner's original attorney filed a Motion to Withdraw which was granted. His original assigned attorney via Office of Contract Counsel, says owner insists on handling the case his way, calls on a daily basis as does wife often "cursing out" attorney's assistant with threats. Lawyer says it is "impossible to properly prepare (case) with Defendant." There is now a new attorney assigned to the owner.

This is sort of how the Phoenix Temple Case started when founder I often said was "too much in goddess land" to present a defense based on the actual law. However this has turned 180 degrees and now she is acting as own attorney (fired prior) and is actually doing some outstanding good briefs and I think will do very well for all the 35 defendants before a jury. However all but about 10 had already pled mostly to felonies but probation.

The County Attorney reported that the FBI forensic lab is still working on various computers of from the raid and taken from the women. This would be in addition to about 2 TB of data already found and submitted in discovery. He also said there will be a few more co-defendants added, apparently found on the computer records. Any worker they can find faces criminal enterprise felony charges.

One women (Michelle) has already taken a plea after posting $10,000 bond. She was previously given a "Donald Advisement" that the presumptive sentence admitting to a lessor charge of pandering (class 6 felony) is 1-year in prison a fine up to $150,000 plus 85% surcharge and other small fees. The other 4 more serious charges were dismissed for the plea. She has a testimony agreement in exchange for the reduced charges so her sentencing at this conference was again deferred with the mention will have to be deferred until after any trials, especially of the owner. That could take another few years, just like the Temple case. There is no agreement as to sentencing just the plea on the lesser felony.

Sadly just like in the Temple case, their felony arrest will be found by potential employers which makes it almost impossible to get a traditional job. One Temple women was rejected for clerk positions at minimum wage due to pending felony charges. From the 2011 mass Swat assault on the Temple. As case still pending.

The Studio has judge Stephens the same as now the 3rd judge in the Temple case. She has been very lenient probably more so than the prior two judges in granting permission to leave state to visit etc. In my view she has been very fair in the Temple case and granted some things that I was very surprised she allowed for the Temple defendants over the last year or so.

For the pregnant women attending by phone she easily granted her waiver to even be on the phone for the next conference. A women just having her initial appearance was released OR and Judge allowed her to stay in home in New Mexico and waived her being at next conference. Another who lives in Show Low also allowed to not attend next conference. As long as their attorneys attend often these requests are granted for these waiver but this judge. It was much harder with the previous Temple judges.

Judge Stephens however is up for rotation out of Criminal Division next rotation July 1st. So after that will be 4th judge in Temple case and 2nd judge in Studio case. Judge Stephen was often seen on local TV as she was the judge in the infamous Jodi Arias murder trial.

These conferences show how "the wheels of justice move slowly" and very inefficiently. As in the Temple case, the motion, sentencing, arraignments, status and pre-trial conferences start at 8:30 AM. There were about 23 cases on the calendar including the Studio cases, before a continuing trial at 11 AM.

Attorneys wander in at various times and then their case is called. Most of the time is just waiting for another attorney to show up while the defendants all wait. I heard two of the Studio lawyers say this was the 5th Courtroom they were in with other cases at the same time in other Courtrooms.

At about 10 am a court person mentioned to the judge a jury was assembling outside. She asked "my jury already. Someone should find out.".

One newly arrested young gal I kind of was attracted to was very upset when attorney finally showed up. From my knowing many of the Temple gals (I have a separate Temple List only knew one before the raid), about half complain they have almost no communications with their assigned attorneys and very frustrated and ask me all the questions they should be talking to their attorney about.

Both the Temple and Studio cases are designated "complex cases" and the regular pubic defenders office is not used but rather a special Office of Public Defense with private attorneys who get a flat about $1500 fee no matter how many years or work the case takes. Most attorneys just want their clients to take a plea and be done with it.

After all this waiting nothing much happens at these conferences just any pending issues and setting the next conference date which is 2/24/2014 for the Studio defendants.

I was trying to wait out all the defendants being called but gave up at 10:30 AM having to get back to my office for a 11 am business conference call. The poor last gal not yet called was I believe the only African American worker who had bright red streaks in back of her black hair very noticeable. She is not the bright red head from the mug shots posted and in the media. Her attorney popped in over the hours at various times and handled a non Studio case that was called but then told her he would return. As I assume he bounced around the various courtrooms for different cases.

I assume like the Temple case the game of the State is to wear down the defendants over the years who are prevented from moving on with life and knowing their fate. With new computer evidence may layer on more charges (felony money laundering for every transaction they can find). Some in the Temple case are threatened with 40+ years in prison (by seeking layering of consecutive sentences for each count) Eventually they get too scared of long prison terms they accept a plea deal with the hope of probation (if eligible) but will have a lifetime felony record.

This is the inside view of our criminal justice system and the massive war on in private consenting adult pleasures being waged by the Maricopa Country Attorney wasting massive Court, legal and police resources going after crimes with no victims instead of real criminals. There are many more cases pending like this (massage, escorts etc) with felony charges in Superior Court. I keep monitoring the motions. Some of which are very good trying to attack the Arizona prostitution law. But no trials yet to test the legal issues just plea deals as in the huge Desert Diva's case where all pled and some now have finished their prison sentences.

As for defenses in the Studio case. Over the years before the raid I have had various discussion with the owner. I am not a lawyer and do not give legal advice but have always believed his renting a camera for a fee is not prostitution but for a porn video was quite weak. Other such studios have lost in Phoenix in the past. The work of the undercover cops applying to work at the Studio and the agents sent in make this type of defense very hard. The owners insistence on a legal track that has little basis in law is hurting all the defendants who were assured all was legal. There are in my view some real legal defenses but so far nothing has been acted on. Some of the really great motions in the Temple case the judge simply ruled it was a issue for trial. If any of these legal arguments could win, it would benefit all private sexworkers.

In the Temple case they are also doing an excellent job of getting tons of stuff in the record expecting an Appeal to the 9th Circuit will eventually be the outcome regardless of which side wins. However if all but the owners take pleas only the owners will be left in the fight.

[Member #4210]

Dave,

I'll refrain from quoting you out of respect for the forum and brevity. Besides, it's not necessary. But would you please review your recent post on several reports and could you correct the many errors contained therein. Thank you.

I read every word you write and I appreciate your reports thoroughly but there are a lot of grammatical errors in this one and I can't sort it all out.

Thanks for bringing these to our attention. Even though these are just written reports, I can't help but imagine all the sad people who are being actively and ongoingly TERRORIZED by local LE. There is NO Justice, only Due Process, and even that is UNDUE.

Thank you for being there and providing so much moral support in person for these victims.

Once in a while I wonder what happened to those from DesertD's and forward.

Truly, we aren't a very civilized nation. Granted we aren't stoning people to death and excommunicating them but many a working girl has better ethics and morals than many of these attorneys and judges.

I think you might be suffering from lack of sleep or maybe the stress of following all of these has become a bit of a strain.

THANK YOU!

[Member #4210]

To Any Thinking They may be Facing Charges Associated with Such Cases.

Is to leave the jurisdiction BEFORE they are served, ticketed and / or arrested.

Traffic infractions, tickets and misdemeanors require LE take action within two years, if my memory serves me well, or they must drop the charges.

Felonies seem to have a limit of seven years for enforcement. However, there is no statue of limitations on TAX OFFENSES, child support or murder.

Arizona is not a modern state. It may appear to be a state but it is still a territory and it has territorial mentality when it comes to criminal justice. The Biggest Employer in the State isn't Walmart; it's the Department of Corrections!

[Denton]

To Any Thinking They may be Facing Charges Associated with Such Cases.

Is to leave the jurisdiction BEFORE they are served, ticketed and / or arrested.

Traffic infractions, tickets and misdemeanors require LE take action within two years, if my memory serves me well, or they must drop the charges.

Felonies seem to have a limit of seven years for enforcement. However, there is no statue of limitations on TAX OFFENSES, child support or murder.

Arizona is not a modern state. It may appear to be a state but it is still a territory and it has territorial mentality when it comes to criminal justice. The Biggest Employer in the State isn't Walmart; it's the Department of Corrections!That is pretty bad advice. Crossing state lines to avoid charges is a federal crime in and of itself, "Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution". Also, a statute of limitations doesn't apply if you are a fugitive. If you are potentially facing a felony, you need to get a lawyer, period.

[Member #4210]

That is pretty bad advice. Crossing state lines to avoid charges is a federal crime in and of itself, "Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution". Also, a statute of limitations doesn't apply if you are a fugitive. If you are potentially facing a felony, you need to get a lawyer, period.The idea is not to leave to avoid charges which can be said of any movement but to move BEFORE arrest and before charges are brought.

Statutes of limitations are applicable and exist for that very reason.

[DavePHX]

The idea is not to leave to avoid charges which can be said of any movement but to move BEFORE arrest and before charges are brought.
Statutes of limitations are applicable and exist for that very reason.The problem is like in massage busts, Studio, Temple etc the women who maybe worked there a year ago before the raids, have no idea they have been indicted as all is sealed. About a month ago a Temple gal found in the computer records arrested when trying to go into Canada at the border. Usually they get arrested in traffic stops because they are in the NCIS national database the are accessed by police.

Since they are felonies Montgomery will pay to send someone to pick up wherever they are and extradite.

Attorney in once case I know about could not even be told if there was an arrest warrant out for his client who only came in occasionally to teach spiritual things but never was involved in any sessions.

The extradition can take a long so I know of many women held in local jails from a traffic stop for a long time waiting to be transported from another State back to Phoenix. Pleasure is a very serious felony crime in Arizona even if just a hand release if more than just one women with no other help and not working with anyone else.

[Weben]

The statute of limitations does not exist for one to leave and hope they are never charged. It is the limitation on filing a charge or civil complaint after the event is known, or should have been known / discovered (in cases like fraud or breach of contract). If you are out of the state and the prosecutor files charges, you have to answer for your crime(s). Just because you are no longer in the state, or even the country, has nothing to do with the ability of the prosecutor to charge an individual. And once charged, and an arrest warrant is issued, there is no expiration.

Actually, to add to the above comment. Just to avoid any further confusion, the statute of limitation does not even run if a person is absent from the state or his location is unknown. So, if you leave the state, the prosecutor doesn't even have to file charges before the seven year deadline if you are absent from the state.


The idea is not to leave to avoid charges which can be said of any movement but to move BEFORE arrest and before charges are brought.

Statutes of limitations are applicable and exist for that very reason.

[DavePHX]

the enemy of sexwork battle plan takes hold in arizona.

mass arizona effort by governor etc to stop commercial sexuality.

safe action project.

notices to all hotel owners -.

chan 5 news 10 pm january 8 2014 - o'connor house joins polaris and the governor for the safe action project.

18 indicators all hotel personal, maids, room service, security watching cameras should watch for and report to police include excessive foot traffic to a room, individuals leaving rooms frequently, hanging out in the lobby, extended stays with few personal possessions, substantial amount of condoms or sex toys in a room when cleaning, appears to be with significantly older men /"boyfriends", someone else pays for room are a sample of the 1st 15.

only points 15-18 look for abusive control like from a pimp such as treated aggressively, signs of physical abuse, suspicious tattoos or branding.

obviously this is all done under the sham of the huge child trafficking inflated made up fairy tale that is getting lots of funding and panic to "save the children" even though we know probably 90%+ of arrests have absolutely nothing to do with **** or forced into prostitution. however, the line is that all prostitutes are abused and forced into the work.

there are some serious real child abuse force cases. yes, go after those. but not the excuse to go after in private consenting adults which are most of the arrests in phoenix and many for criminal enterprise felonies if not just working totally alone.

tom horne has joined the sham and is requesting massive government funding to stop commercial sex with the excuse of the super bowl in 2015. this is a crisis as seen by the state to stop commercial sex under the sham of "human trafficking".

govenors task foce meeting.

includes 14 members including brewer, co-chairperson cindy mccain, with ag bill montgomery, grant woods etc.

mccain points out how this is an important issue that will effect future generations in arizona and how working with the mccain institute. the evil practice of sex trafficking can not continue (includes private consenting adults under federal law).

indiana attorney general gave long talk on how important it is to get ahead of the evil coming of sexworkers for the super bowl but its an evil that goes beyond sporting events. new criminal statutes needed. need to reach out to hotel workers, cleaning staff and cab drivers to report anything suspicious to police.

expressions of excitement to rid the evil using the totally bogus sham research that there are 300,000 children each year exploited into commercial sex at an average age of between 12 and 14. prostitution is due to sexual abuse, alcoholism and drug addiction called "adverse child experiences.".

further efforts to go after men that hire prostitutes for parties etc.

the indiana task force women said there were 129 ads on backpage after the super bowl advertising for commercial sex. one was an image of a young girl in her underwear with blonde wig using words "new" and "fresh" to indicate she was very young.

there were 68 arrests for commercial sex after the 2012 super bowl. of the 68,4 were identified as sex trafficking victims. all but one escaped and ran away after they were identified (have no idea if really were forced). dave notes so 64 consenting adult arrests were made to find 4 maybe sex trafficking victims. that is about the same ratio on the phoenix raids although in the big swat raids recently there were no one under aged or "forced". but it sure makes a good excuse to gin up all the massive funding for more consenting adult arrests.

the arizona task force should use the super bowl "as a springboard for community interest and excitement".

some indiana colts football players participated in a reduce demand campaign to send the message that commercial sex is "no longer socially accepted.".

with backpage not being very cooperative law enforcement was able to call some of the commercial sex ads and jam the signal so as to prevent johns from connecting with traffickers (any ad on bp).

dave notes as we know from project rose there is a lot of pressure for adult prostitutes to admit they are "victims" in order to avoid jail which feeds the huge victim industry of catholic charities etc in phoenix. again there are some real victims they help but mostly get phoenix city funding to run the indoctrination rehab program. and as with more than one women, who said she is in control of her own life and refused to be called a "victim' were kicked out of the program and face jail.

prosecutor montgomery explained he is struggling to set up a system that realizes they are victims but also uses the judicial system to keep them in custody (jail if they can not make bond). but in order to be a "victim" and not be prosecuted, a women probably has to agree to testify against her "trafficker" (driver, boyfriend providing security, phone helper etc).

indiana invited arizona to use material from their myth vs truth campaign showing the average trafficking "victim" has an average age of death of 34 year old. (dave notes if a helper takes a call and sets up an appointment that person is a "trafficker" and the sexworker is a "trafficking victim" regardless of age or if totally consenting adults).

in indiana 99 of the 100 hotels contacted participated in the anti-commercial sex campaign.

grant woods discussed movement on a law requiring government identification of all persons posting on websites and for every person depicted in a photo before the ad is accepted.

regarding backpage.com, mr. woods stated they need to get out of the business of adult services. they know it is wrong and they profit from it. he warned that if they do not they will eventually be prosecuted for participating in the crime. mr. woods stated these were strong words, but he believes them as a former prosecutor. arizona has not been bashful on challenging the constitution (free speech defense) in court and mr. woods stated that should continue regarding this issue.

mr. woods also recommended a requirement to verify licenses of those purchasing ads for services such as massage.

mr. montgomery added that if backpage.com were to move offshore, the efforts of arizona law enforcement would not be affected at all. phoenix police lieutenant gallagher stated that his unit checks a website housed in an uncooperative country every single day (probably ter).

16 recommendations made by the task force to the state legislature and #1 and 12 would improve arizona's grade with polaris (the largest national anti commercial sex organization).

[DavePHX]

the enemy of sexwork battle plan takes hold in arizona.
mass arizona effort by governor etc to stop commercial sexuality.
brazil world cup helps support prostitution and provide benefits of their economic power.

how prostitution in brazil is facing the world cup.

by roberto amado - 01.13.2014 highlights.

the world cup in brazil is expected to attract 600,000 foreign visitors, producing a revenue of about $ 10 billion in june and july 2014. it is expected that some of this money will be used for hiring prostitutes in 12 cities hosting the event.

in são paulo, headquarter of world cup opening, are expected 300,000 foreign visitors and many prostitutes from other cities are planning to move to são paulo during the event. brenda, a 19 years old girl, who works in vitoria, espirito santo, has already rented, with eight friends, a flat in the city center of sao paulo. "in vitoria, we charge $ 75 for a date, but during the world cup we could charge up to three times," she says. karina, a dental student in paraná, is planning to go to são paulo exclusively for the world cup: she will receive $5,000 to give exclusive attention for two weeks to a german businessman.

some of most known houses of prostitution in são paulo are also investing in infrastructure and seeking to hire professionals who speak english and spanish. this is the case of a "massage house" next to congonhas airport, which will provide up to 50% more girls for customers during world cup. the house also will feature a limousine to pick up their clients in the hotels. "it's important to have good communication with the hotels because they indicate us to the guests. we already have a good experience in formula 1 and indy but in the world cup we will be much busier.

in belo horizonte, which will host six world cup matches, is expecting 200,000 foreigners and the association of prostitutes of minas gerais is offering english courses and other languages for its sex workers. according to the president of the association, cida vieira, "they will also follow the tourists in sight-seeing, as a tour guide". to vice president of aprosmig, laura maria, 54, for many prostitutes is important to speak english because it may represent more than a new customer. "they have that dream of finding a great love that comes from abroad", says the woman who's 20 years in the profession.

fortaleza, which will receive six games of the world cup, is one of the most touristic cities in brazil, with its white sand beaches and sunshine all the year round. nevertheless, it is a city with a large poor population in which sexual exploitation is common, especially for children. there is a true clandestine trade concerning teen agers girls who are recruited by hotel managers and taxi drivers. "foreign clients order **** prostitutes who are delivered directly by the hotels pimps," explains prosecutor carlos francisco pereira de andrade, specialized in child exploitation.

in brazil, prostitution is not a crime. but houses and agents offering prostitutes are illegal. for this reason, and noting the increased flow of tourists during the world cup, congressman jean wyllys has a project to legalize "massage houses" and regulate the profession of prostitutes, so they could have worker benefits such as unemployment insurance and health care. "the goal is to ensure dignity to sex workers," said wyllys. "they are exploited by pimps who act illegally corrupting police and surveillance, a strategy in which they all earn profits, but not the prostitutes, the main victims".

(note the support of consenting adult prostitutes but protect from the exploitation of the bad pimps. similar to the canadian hard reduction model of trying to keep consenting adult prostitutes safe).

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brazil world cup helps support prostitution and provide benefits of their economic power.

how prostitution in brazil is facing the world cup.

by roberto amado - 01.13.2014 highlights.

the world cup in brazil is expected to attract 600,000 foreign visitors, producing a revenue of about $ 10 billion in june and july 2014. it is expected that some of this money will be used for hiring prostitutes in 12 cities hosting the event.

in são paulo, headquarter of world cup opening, are expected 300,000 foreign visitors and many prostitutes from other cities are planning to move to são paulo during the event. brenda, a 19 years old girl, who works in vitoria, espirito santo, has already rented, with eight friends, a flat in the city center of sao paulo. "in vitoria, we charge $ 75 for a date, but during the world cup we could charge up to three times," she says. karina, a dental student in paraná, is planning to go to são paulo exclusively for the world cup: she will receive $5,000 to give exclusive attention for two weeks to a german businessman.

some of most known houses of prostitution in são paulo are also investing in infrastructure and seeking to hire professionals who speak english and spanish. this is the case of a "massage house" next to congonhas airport, which will provide up to 50% more girls for customers during world cup. the house also will feature a limousine to pick up their clients in the hotels. "it's important to have good communication with the hotels because they indicate us to the guests. we already have a good experience in formula 1 and indy but in the world cup we will be much busier.

in belo horizonte, which will host six world cup matches, is expecting 200,000 foreigners and the association of prostitutes of minas gerais is offering english courses and other languages for its sex workers. according to the president of the association, cida vieira, "they will also follow the tourists in sight-seeing, as a tour guide". to vice president of aprosmig, laura maria, 54, for many prostitutes is important to speak english because it may represent more than a new customer. "they have that dream of finding a great love that comes from abroad", says the woman who's 20 years in the profession.

fortaleza, which will receive six games of the world cup, is one of the most touristic cities in brazil, with its white sand beaches and sunshine all the year round. nevertheless, it is a city with a large poor population in which sexual exploitation is common, especially for children. there is a true clandestine trade concerning teen agers girls who are recruited by hotel managers and taxi drivers. "foreign clients order **** prostitutes who are delivered directly by the hotels pimps," explains prosecutor carlos francisco pereira de andrade, specialized in child exploitation.

in brazil, prostitution is not a crime. but houses and agents offering prostitutes are illegal. for this reason, and noting the increased flow of tourists during the world cup, congressman jean wyllys has a project to legalize "massage houses" and regulate the profession of prostitutes, so they could have worker benefits such as unemployment insurance and health care. "the goal is to ensure dignity to sex workers," said wyllys. "they are exploited by pimps who act illegally corrupting police and surveillance, a strategy in which they all earn profits, but not the prostitutes, the main victims".

(note the support of consenting adult prostitutes but protect from the exploitation of the bad pimps. similar to the canadian hard reduction model of trying to keep consenting adult prostitutes safe).imagine the revenue phoenix would make if they supported prostitution for the 2012 super bowl!

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Imagine the revenue Phoenix would make if they supported prostitution for the 2012 Super Bowl!Meant to say the upcoming 2015 Super Bowl!

[Shelby 500]

There is a survey being conducted by Christine Milrod, PhD, of mature, baby-boomer hobbyists over 60. She writes that this is an "understudied group of hobbyists, and yet they comprise a very important part of our hobbying community. We need to hear from them. What they want, what they like and what they do." Dr. Milrod is a legitimate clinical researcher. You can find out more about her here: www.sexandlifecoaching.com.

I emailed her and she responded with a link to the survey. It took me about 20 minutes to answer the, roughly, 100 questions. It is completely anonymous. The statistical significance of the survey improves when a higher number of the target group participate. So the good doctor has allowed me to share the survey link with other hobbyists. If you are over 60 and interested in taking the survey, send me a PM and I'll send you the link to the survey. Or you can contact Dr. Milrod directly through the website. She's very prompt in returning emails. This is a blind scientific study. The results will likely be published in a scientific journal in late 2014 after it goes through peer review.

The survey closes after 200 responses. Roughly 180 gents have responded so far.

PM me if you are interested.

Shelby.

[Waitingtoexpel]

Meant to say the upcoming 2015 Super Bowl!Holy shit, the Super Bowl is coming back here next year? I'm going to start stocking up on Viagra now.

[Camera3]

I will be in Phoenix in a week. I am a show biz pro, a roadie, if you will, and will have a day off with no transportation. So, I would appreciate any suggestions for a SP for an outcall at a nice resort hotel.

Thank you in advance for any direction.

C3.

[DavePHX]

FBI / Phoenix PD Joint Sting #7 Completed.

National Day of John's Arrests #7 was Jan 23-Feb 2, 2014 culminating with the Super Bowl. Phoenix PD has participated in all 7 stings over the last few years.

This 7th such "save the victims. Fight sex trafficking" scam national scorecard that is widely being gloated about in the anti- sex victim industry lie media reports:

373 arrests.

359 customers.

31 prostitutes recovered (all prostitutes are called "victims' whether consenting adults or not.

14 sex trafficking alleged for pimps (may be someone just answering phone or helping a companion).

14 victim prostitutes were under aged.

Each arrest faces minimum potential fines of $149,470.

144 cars forfeited from johns.

It appears this follows the companion busts with about 95% consenting adults and 5% alleged "trafficked" or victim / prostitutes under aged.

Bragging by "Demand Abolition" to end all prostitution since consenting or not it is related to sex trafficking. Great for fund raising.

"Buyers of sex are increasingly becoming the target of law enforcement efforts to end prostitution and sex trafficking. Police recognize that sex buyers perpetuate a violent, exploitative industry. If no one were buying sex, pimps would not be supplying bars, back alleys, and web sites with victims." (Dave notes you are a pimp if your the boyfriend of a companion who she shares a bank account with, or a paid assistant to answer phones).

"Under the leadership of Sheriff xxxxx, Cook County (IL) Sheriff's Office has organized seven "National Day of Johns Arrests." The most recent sweep coincided with the 2014 Super Bowl. The FBI and 26 other law enforcement agencies worked together in 15 different states, simultaneously conducting sting activities on the streets, in hotels, in brothels, via the internet, and elsewhere.

"Public awareness around the operation was made possible by a grant from Demand Abolition. This includes the replication of more than 4,000 "Johns School" DVDs for distribution to law enforcement agencies nationwide. Produced by the Cook County Sheriff's Office, these DVDs provide an overview of content found in first offender prostitution programs, or "john schools." As in the classes, the DVD aims to deter men from purchasing sex by educating them about the harms and consequences of prostitution on themselves, on the people they purchase, and on the community.".

http://www.demandabolition.org/national-day-of-johns-arrests/

The anti-sexwork war is well funded and gaining strength always assuming no companion / escort can choose this occupation since they have been sexual abused, on drugs, controlled by pimps and no sexworker has any free will. All companions are victims and need to be rescued (like the Project Rose scam in Phoenix).

The often quoted research that women enter sexwork at age 12 and mostly come from abused backgrounds has been totally discredited. But the same bogus sham studies of Farley and her ilk are winning the war and increasing the police violence against consenting adult companions. Increasingly the target is customers as "Reduce Demand" campaigns are gaining power.

I have not yet seen the arrests stats for Phoenix. We know how companions are treated with Project Rose. Declare your a "victim" or go to jail.

Unlike the Reduce Harm decriminalization of all prostitution in Canada in the USA We encourage violence against sexworkers by police and their clients. Police violence by terror or assets often with guns or swat teams attacking companions is far worse than the concerns about the rare dangerous client.

Go after those that are true exploitive relationships. Not 95% in private consenting adult that are the victims of the "all prostitutes are victims" with the choice of Catholic Charities rehabilitation and victim indoctrination or jail.

[Finaqua]

"Each arrest faces minimum potential fines of $149,470.".

How do you arrive at this minimum number?

[DavePHX]

"Each arrest faces minimum potential fines of $149,470.".
How do you arrive at this minimum number?It came from the article I quoted which is national.

In Arizona for any felony even a class 6 it is not a minimum but up to $150,000 fine plus a 84% surcharge.

The odd number comes from the surcharge I assume like in Arizona. I don't know for sure but I think the surcharge is based on some court costs to run so as costs of all the prosecutions of consenting adult rises so do the court costs and the fines on conviction.

[DrGori]

So, in a couple weeks, the warden will be leaving for a few days. My question to everyone (but mostly those with wives): If you had a free weekend, with no one to answer to, what would you do? Of course the point here is to have as much sex as possible and spend as little money as possible. Be specific here (I'm looking for ideas..).

Thanks in advance. PM me if you have something really juicy.

[Camera3]

Three things come to mind.

First, I think I might consider posting an ad on CL and state the facts and include "generous gentleman" in the post. There is a guy in Florida that says this works for him to find semi-pros and I am interested in trying it one day.

Second, I have had luck with AM. Ya got to learn that there are fakes there but I have found a few scores, including a cute young (as in younger than my kids) spinner with a traveling husband. That affair lasted three years. Needless to say, she had serious daddy issues and I play daddy just fine, thank you very much.

The third idea is to donate to a famous young GFE, have the time of your life for an hour, go home and get stinkin' drunk and wake up the next day with a permanent shit eatin' grin.

Just some random thoughts.

C3.


So, in a couple weeks, the warden will be leaving for a few days. My question to everyone (but mostly those with wives): If you had a free weekend, with no one to answer to, what would you do? Of course the point here is to have as much sex as possible and spend as little money as possible. Be specific here (I'm looking for ideas..).

Thanks in advance. PM me if you have something really juicy.

[DavePHX]

Maybe a companion "fee" does not violate Arizona law if companions are not "professional" (high degree of education / training not that of general public).

There are zillions of cases pending in Superior Court and recent pleas for felonies related to prostitution. One of my frustrations is no cases have gone to trial in the last few years and defenses tested. As I've discussed on and on... You know where... The legal issues.

I believe we need companions to fight their cases with guidance of a competent attorney as a win would benefit everyone in current and future cases. Companions in some cases should be encouraged to not just take a plea to avoid prison. Especially a felony plea.

The Arizona prostitution law is easy to overcome with dating and sugar daddy relationships. Companions however usually are easy game for LE since 90% use "bad words" (like GFE or worse) on their ads which is an easy solicitation bust. Or they say call for rates which is probably just as bad and risky unless very careful on phone.

Obviously you never offer sex for money only like a dating site for time or date. Reviews are often used to convince companions to take plea deals but are almost impossible to be used at trial since no foundation unless identify reviewer who testifies.

While listing GFE or worse in ads is almost impossible to defend. If ads (and less important reviews) are "clean" there seems to be a direct defense of stated hourly rate companionship if arrested by attacking the Arizona prostitution law itself.

AZ Revised Statutes13-3211. Definitions - 5. "Prostitution" means engaging in or agreeing or offering to engage in sexual conduct under a fee arrangement with any person for money or any other valuable consideration.".

In order to break the Arizona Law there must be a "fee" in addition to sexual conduct.

Fee is most frequently defined as related to a professional service. The definition by uslegal.com: "A fee is essentially compensation paid for any particular act, service or labor performed as part of an individuals official duties or professional service." Most other dictionaries also tie "fee" to "professional".

I have not found any Arizona case law but the following is interesting:

PINTER v. CITY OF NEW YORK 710 F.Supp .2 d 408 (2010).

The word "fee" in Section 230.00 of the Penal Law has been construed by New York courts to mean payment in return for professional services. The concept of a fee exchange restricts the statute's reach by requiring an aspect of commercialism. As one court long ago explained: it is not prostitution where "a wife ... Withholds the performance of her conjugal duties unless her husband gives her a mink coat." "prostitution involves the exchange of sex for a fee on a professional basis."(references other NY cases all basically following need for a fee on a professional basis to distinguish from a wife.

A professional is a member of a profession. The term also describes the standards of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform the role of that profession.

The etymology and historical meaning of the term professional seems to indicate an individual whose philosophy and habits have been conditioned by a professor. So, a professional is the follower of a professor. Plumbers are therefore not considered professionals. While they certainly make a living doing what they do, with a particular expertise, and with a certain expectation of manners, plumbers do not acquire their skills through a professor, or even through a professional professor. They learn from private firms that distribute the knowledge, or they learn from friendly association with a master plumber.

The findlaw dictionary says:

Professional Service: a service requiring specialized knowledge and skill usually of a mental or intellectual nature and usually requiring a license, certification, or registration.

Is prostitution a profession?

Does the prostitute have specialized training in intercourse, dick sucking of a mental or intellectual nature? Can the prosecution prove to a jury that the alleged prostitute had special skills in hand jobbing, blowing and pussy sex requiring special skills and education?

Do customers as the alleged prostitute by e-mail or phone before meeting ask if she has been professionally trained for these skills to set her apart from a wife, girlfriend before booking an appointment with her?

If the alleged prostitute is not professionally trained what is the fee? Probably a gift or donation? Further in some definitions of "fee" it is a "required payment". If the alleged prostitute has a "suggested donation" to help support herself this may also be a legitimate defense.

Vagueness of Prostitution under ARS.

This argument is pending in a current motion in Superior Court felony case:

"Fee arrangement" means an agreement between parties to sexual conduct, or attempted sexual conduct, in exchange for money or other valuable consideration.

Under Arizona's existing law there is no clear description or guidance for what "under a fee arrangement" means as that phrase is used in ARS 13-3211 (5). Is an employer who has consensual sex with an employee guilty of prostitution by virtue of weekly payroll? She says she loves her boss but the State chooses to disbelieve her so the sex is colorable as being "under fee arrangement" because she is paid weekly. Is a person who offers to pay the object of their desires' bills as an inducement to a relationship which hopefully includes sex at some point (and children) prostitution? If so, most people in Arizona are criminals.

Disclaimer. I am not an attorney and do not offer legal advise. One should always seek legal advice from a competent attorney.

[GameBird]

So, in a couple weeks, the warden will be leaving for a few days. My question to everyone (but mostly those with wives): If you had a free weekend, with no one to answer to, what would you do? Of course the point here is to have as much sex as possible and spend as little money as possible. Be specific here (I'm looking for ideas..).

Thanks in advance. PM me if you have something really juicy.How about doing that "honey-do-list" while she is away. The last time my wife went away (Florida for a week) I proceeded to cross off a couple of things that she has wanted done for quite some time..in return, I came home from work one day to find her and her girlfriend waiting in the hot tub..sometimes the most stimulating way to a ladies "goodies" is to do something nice. Needless to say I now ask her to make "honey-do-lists"LOL.

[GameBird]

So, in a couple weeks, the warden will be leaving for a few days. My question to everyone (but mostly those with wives): If you had a free weekend, with no one to answer to, what would you do? Of course the point here is to have as much sex as possible and spend as little money as possible. Be specific here (I'm looking for ideas..).

Thanks in advance. PM me if you have something really juicy.How about doing that "honey-do-list" while she is away. The last time my wife went away (Florida for a week) I proceeded to cross off a couple of things that she has wanted done for quite some time..in return, I came home from work one day to find her and her girlfriend waiting in the hot tub..sometimes the most stimulating way to a ladies "goodies" is to do something nice. Needless to say I now ask her to make "honey-do-lists"LOL.

[DavePHX]

HB- thanks for good note. Can't reply till you delete some mail, you must be at 200 limit.

[PartyDiver]

So, in a couple weeks, the warden will be leaving for a few days. My question to everyone (but mostly those with wives): If you had a free weekend, with no one to answer to, what would you do? Of course the point here is to have as much sex as possible and spend as little money as possible. Be specific here (I'm looking for ideas..).

Thanks in advance. PM me if you have something really juicy.There is a nice little border town, called Los Algodones, which is about 15 min past Yuma. There are 2 bars there, attached to hotels (Green Door and Hawaii). Normally, you'd meet a girl in the bar, negotiate, and go up to her room, as most of the girls are from other parts of Mexico and live at the hotel. But, if you have a couple of days to spend, get your own room and have fun with several ladies, while enjoying the show at the bar while your dick recuperates All legal and safe too.

[DrGori]

How about doing that "honey-do-list" while she is away. The last time my wife went away (Florida for a week) I proceeded to cross off a couple of things that she has wanted done for quite some time..in return, I came home from work one day to find her and her girlfriend waiting in the hot tub..sometimes the most stimulating way to a ladies "goodies" is to do something nice. Needless to say I now ask her to make "honey-do-lists"LOL.If her list involved a blonde, redhead, and brunette, I'd be all over it. I don't have a problem getting to my wife's "goodies" anyway. It's variety that I want. I'm happy that it worked out for you, though.

[NorthScotts2]

There is a nice little border town, called Los Algodones, which is about 15 min past Yuma. There are 2 bars there, attached to hotels (Green Door and Hawaii). Normally, you'd meet a girl in the bar, negotiate, and go up to her room, as most of the girls are from other parts of Mexico and live at the hotel. But, if you have a couple of days to spend, get your own room and have fun with several ladies, while enjoying the show at the bar while your dick recuperates All legal and safe too.Hey PartyDiver and Dr. Potato,

I know it is a long shot and probably worth the drive to the Yuma border crossing for better quality but I need to make a shorter trip and Nogales fits that bill. I have some prescriptions I need filled since they are freaking triple the price here and thought I would check out the local scene while in Nogales. Any intel or is it a wasteland of few options and overpriced services due to the proximity of the UofA. I hear that because they get so much traffic, prices for companionship are akin to what I can get here in Phoenix.

Thanks in advance.

[PartyDiver]

Hey PartyDiver and Dr. Potato,

I know it is a long shot and probably worth the drive to the Yuma border crossing for better quality but I need to make a shorter trip and Nogales fits that bill. I have some prescriptions I need filled since they are freaking triple the price here and thought I would check out the local scene while in Nogales. Any intel or is it a wasteland of few options and overpriced services due to the proximity of the UofA. I hear that because they get so much traffic, prices for companionship are akin to what I can get here in Phoenix.

Thanks in advance.Algodones is a small town, which is essentially Pharmacies / Liquor Stores, Dentists Offices, restaurants, trinket shops, and the 2 hooker bars. It has a much friendlier feel than Nogales. I've been to Nogales for mongering and I can't say I can recommend it. It's dirty and doesn't have a safe feel to it. As for distance between Phoenix and Nogales / Los Algodones, you should map it-- for me, it's like a 3 mile difference between the 2. So, you should not see a big difference. One other big bonus- There is a great Italian Restaurant in Gila Bend, called Little Italy. Their Philly Sandwiches are to die for, and it's on the way.

[Member #4734]

Ok what hotel do you recommend in algodones.

[Papa Rotzi]

There's two dive bars / clubs with a few you might actually "do". I would not stay the night down there. Just go down and have your fun with the knowledge that you NEED to be back to the border crossing by 9:30 pm or you will be staying in a very sketchy place. ALSO -- if you decide to spend the night, BE SURE you ask and park your car in the OVERNIGHT area of the large parking lot or you will be towed (same for street parking). If you drive over the border, all bets are off. I go to Algadones several times a year and there is NO REASON to spend the night, IMHO.


Ok what hotel do you recommend in algodones..

[Wanderer01]

I am visit Phoenix this Monday and will be staying downtown. As I know these type of request don't usually get a respond but I am going to ask and hope a fellow monger can help. I would like to find a nice GFE girl while I am there. I am not concern about looks but more into having a good time. Please pm if you can help.

[Member #4734]

Hey PartyDiver and Dr. Potato,

I know it is a long shot and probably worth the drive to the Yuma border crossing for better quality but I need to make a shorter trip and Nogales fits that bill. I have some prescriptions I need filled since they are freaking triple the price here and thought I would check out the local scene while in Nogales. Any intel or is it a wasteland of few options and overpriced services due to the proximity of the UofA. I hear that because they get so much traffic, prices for companionship are akin to what I can get here in Phoenix.

Thanks in advance.The checkpoint coming out of nogales is tough be careful with your prescriptions lots of traffic no quickies are everywhere.

[ShawnGreen]

Someone is putting signs up on CC and Southern as well as Mesa Dr and Southern about AMPs. Kinda funny but they are trying to push the issue with cops. Just a heads up even though it probably won't amount to anything.

[Member #4734]

The checkpoint coming out of nogales is tough be careful with your prescriptions lots of traffic no quickies are everywhere.Every women there would like 200 $ an hour like us backpage want your best bet dress down say your an average guy looking for a decent woman as your lady skills have gotten you no where and don't be afraid to say no get what you want or get 4 or 5 women in a span of a few hours...the fun part is you can do it your way.

[Member #4734]

There's two dive bars / clubs with a few you might actually "do". I would not stay the night down there. Just go down and have your fun with the knowledge that you NEED to be back to the border crossing by 9:30 pm or you will be staying in a very sketchy place. ALSO -- if you decide to spend the night, BE SURE you ask and park your car in the OVERNIGHT area of the large parking lot or you will be towed (same for street parking). If you drive over the border, all bets are off. I go to Algadones several times a year and there is NO REASON to spend the night, IMHO..So theres no place with security that's safe.

[Slacker30]

So theres no place with security that's safe.Algodones is a few miles across the California border from Yuma. Once you exit I-8, go left less than a mile and park in the big parking lot on your right. Walk across the border (make sure you have a passport nowadays). It is a little village and is predominately Americans who go down there just to get prescriptions at the many drug stores, and see one of the numerous dentists or optometrists. You don't drive across. It is a town geared to gringos.

Safety is not an issue. The Algodones border crossing is only open from 6 AM to 10 PM, so just walk over there, hit the bars, line up someone for sex, get laid, and get back over to the US side. That is why the other poster said be at the border by 9:30 PM. It is 190 miles from here and 5 miles from Yuma, so if you don't want to make the 3 hour and 15-20 minute drive home, you can get a room in Yuma for the night. Yuma has two strip clubs, Platinum Cabaret and the other one used to be called Topper, but I think it changed names.

[NorthScotts2]

Algodones is a few miles across the California border from Yuma. Once you exit I-8, go left less than a mile and park in the big parking lot on your right. Walk across the border (make sure you have a passport nowadays). It is a little village and is predominately Americans who go down there just to get prescriptions at the many drug stores, and see one of the numerous dentists or optometrists. You don't drive across. It is a town geared to gringos.

Safety is not an issue. The Algodones border crossing is only open from 6 AM to 10 PM, so just walk over there, hit the bars, line up someone for sex, get laid, and get back over to the US side. That is why the other poster said be at the border by 9:30 PM. It is 190 miles from here and 5 miles from Yuma, so if you don't want to make the 3 hour and 15-20 minute drive home, you can get a room in Yuma for the night. Yuma has two strip clubs, Platinum Cabaret and the other one used to be called Topper, but I think it changed names.Thanks for the info. I could be mistaken but I think I've read in the past that the two places don't really get going until 9 or 9:30 pm. Do you know if that is true or if you show up at 1 or 2 pm will you find a good selection of companions? Also, if it is true about the times being later, that would seem to contradict how one can go have some fun and get back before the border closes.

Any thoughts on prices as well? If anyone is interested in going down on a Thursday early afternoon to be back in Phoenix by 6 or 7, I might be interested in a traveling partner.