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Tempo54
03-29-12, 12:12
I certainly don't blame any of the senior members for being leery of us newbies. I guess my previous post may not have been entirely clear as to what I was intending to communicate. I was agreeing with Hummer Bird's assertion that many mongers read the site yet do not post, myself partly included. But why am I hesitant to post about my dreams? Hopefully this will clarify what I was originally intending to say:

I am not comfortable with posting detailed reviews IMMEDIATELY AFTER seeing a provider. I once met a provider who had been in town for a few days but according to her had only been visited by 8 people, myself included. No matter how much detail I leave out of a review, since YMMV almost always invariably applies, and since each person has a different experience, it is plausible that if the provider in question reads this forum, she could link my online handle back to me. Suffice it to say, I do NOT want anyone being able to connect a face or a phone number to my online handle.

Of course, I could post the review later, but unfortunately, many of these dreams become just that after the provider leaves town: dreams, useless to anyone.

Now Hummer Bird was stating that we mongers who generally don't provide reviews should at the very least provide a brief "Yea!" or "Nay!" Any newbie who provides such a brief evaluation of a provider without providing sufficient details will be called out by other members, perhaps even rightfully so. Such a short endorsement, even if legitimate, would not be taken seriously by anyone on the board. While I would appreciate any bit of intel on a provider, I am questioning whether such a brief "Yea!" or "Nay!" endorsement is even worth posting since would it not be dismissed by many on the board? Even if such a posting is made by a senior member, wouldn't others discount it on the basis of being too vague and not containing any details?


Tempo,

I think that a lot of the LEO accusations come from new members to the board just asking for info on providers, and never posting anything that can be shared with the group. Just like all of us senior members have done, you (and everyone) needs to build some "street cred" before we feel comfortable with you and know you are not LEO. I know that some regular, and senior, members have applauded some newbies for posting their detailed "adventures". We would like to hear about your's. And, by the way, the best way to build up that credibility IS to have your reviews linked back to you. If you give some good stuff, and others find that it is truly "good stuff", then your "cred" has started to build.

We are all here for the same thing. We know that LEO monitors this board and we are just trying to be careful. If some real guy, newbie, posts something and someone accuses him of being a LEO or manager and he gets his feelings hurt then,"sorry 'about that".

BUT, we know that a lot of "newbie" posts are in fact our favorite uncle looking for info for busts.

Dirty.

Hummer Bird
03-29-12, 17:43
Here is my exact statement: " If everybody would take 5 mins to just give a brief yea or neh," Now five min implies that you make a quick assertation of the performance. You do not have to go into EXPLICIT details that would link you to the provider. This is beyond the "yea or neh". I should have been more explicit with my impiled assumption that yea or neh is just a quick overview rather than the literal yes or no. For else we get the dreaded assume, and thus you make and ASS out of U and ME. Forget I ever mention anything here just be a voyer and follow in our footsteps.


Now Hummer Bird was stating that we mongers who generally don't provide reviews should at the very least provide a brief "Yea!" or "Nay!" Any newbie who provides such a brief evaluation of a provider without providing sufficient details will be called out by other members, perhaps even rightfully so. Such a short endorsement, even if legitimate, would not be taken seriously by anyone on the board. While I would appreciate any bit of intel on a provider, I am questioning whether such a brief "Yea!" or "Nay!" endorsement is even worth posting since would it not be dismissed by many on the board? Even if such a posting is made by a senior member, wouldn't others discount it on the basis of being too vague and not containing any details?

Okane
04-07-12, 09:59
Backpage advertises Super Viagra, Viagra 400 and Viagra Gold 800.

Anyone tried them? Can the body really handle 8X the max recommended dose?

Regards,

Okane

Papa Rotzi
04-07-12, 14:55
The actual milligrams are probably all over the map and it's doubtful that any of them contain the Viagra max of 100mg total. Even the mega-XXL-Super-Giga-800 Rock Hard version. It's just another name for a generic product made in somebodys garage in India. The generic Cialis that are avail in Algadones (20 mg dose) are actually closer to 10-15 mg, based on experience. The BEST, fastest-acting and longest enduring stuff I've ever found is sold on the streets of Thailand and called Komagra. It's viagra-based but in a single-dose edible jel that is pineapple flavored. Squirt a pack into your mouth and hold it under your tongue for a few minutes, then swallow the rest. 20 minutes later you are a "ROCK-HARD Stud" with a good 2 hours of staying power if that's your game. You can buy it in bulk (50 pacs / box) for a buck each ($50 / box). Amazing.


Backpage advertises Super Viagra, Viagra 400 and Viagra Gold 800.

Anyone tried them? Can the body really handle 8X the max recommended dose?

Regards,

Okane

Hummer Bird
04-07-12, 20:09
I remember that shit! Although the gel is a new idea. I am waiting for the inhalant, supposedly will take just a few minutes to reach full Erect. I mean effect. PM me if you know where to buy that here.

Cheers.

HB.


.The BEST, fastest-acting and longest enduring stuff I've ever found is sold on the streets of Thailand and called Komagra. It's viagra-based but in a single-dose edible jel that is pineapple flavored. Squirt a pack into your mouth and hold it under your tongue for a few minutes, then swallow the rest. 20 minutes later you are a "ROCK-HARD Stud" with a good 2 hours of staying power. Amazing.

Quipster
04-11-12, 15:58
Anyone remember way back when Desert Divas was the premier escort service in the valley? They had twins on their 'staff' for a while who eventually went independent. I believe they also went down as a part of the big bust.

They came back around after a while but as brunettes and not blondes.

I was fortunate enough to hook up with one of them at that time and had every intention of doing her sister shortly after but they "disappeared" again.

Seems one, or both, have reappeared. Until recently a very well reviewed provider who posts regularly on BP has always obscured her face in ever ad she posts. Just a few days ago she stopped obscuring her face and viola! It's one of the twins, at least as far as I can recall. Good thing I track my 'conquests' by saving a pic of each hottie I bang so after a quick reference to my collection and sure enough, it's her.

I'm actually thinking it may be both of them posing as just one hottie. Is anyone familiar with these ladies? Anyone remember or know what / whom I'm talking about?

Member #4210
04-14-12, 18:54
YES! And it was a scary time. One best forgotten. That HUGE list of clients was posted on the open internet! If it wasn't so friggin' HUGE, there would have been more exposure. But, it took so long to download that PDF file that few had the patience to wait for it. It was something like 50MB's or GB's or so.

And Those Twins were HOT. There were many providers that appealed greatly to me and never re-surfaced. I missed on those tall thin ones in their 29-30's in particular. The twin blonds were young enough that one would need to card them to make sure and they were young enough to be maybe 23-25 today.

Let us know what you find out and try not to spook those lovelies by knowing too much-unless you saw then before.


Anyone remember way back when Desert Divas was the premier escort service in the valley? They had twins on their 'staff' for a while who eventually went independent. I believe they also went down as a part of the big bust.

They came back around after a while but as brunettes and not blondes.

I was fortunate enough to hook up with one of them at that time and had every intention of doing her sister shortly after but they "disappeared" again.

Seems one, or both, have reappeared. Until recently a very well reviewed provider who posts regularly on BP has always obscured her face in ever ad she posts. Just a few days ago she stopped obscuring her face and viola! It's one of the twins, at least as far as I can recall. Good thing I track my 'conquests' by saving a pic of each hottie I bang so after a quick reference to my collection and sure enough, it's her.

I'm actually thinking it may be both of them posing as just one hottie. Is anyone familiar with these ladies? Anyone remember or know what / whom I'm talking about?

Jack Clear
04-14-12, 20:29
YES! And it was a scary time. One best forgotten. That HUGE list of clients was posted on the open internet! If it wasn't so friggin' HUGE, there would have been more exposure. But, it took so long to download that PDF file that few had the patience to wait for it. It was something like 50MB's or GB's or so.

And Those Twins were HOT. There were many providers that appealed greatly to me and never re-surfaced. I missed on those tall thin ones in their 29-30's in particular. The twin blonds were young enough that one would need to card them to make sure and they were young enough to be maybe 23-25 today.

Let us know what you find out and try not to spook those lovelies by knowing too much-unless you saw then before.My ex-boss was on the list, heh.

Mickey Dora
04-16-12, 10:53
My ex-boss was on the list, heh.I was on the list. Twice!

Aviraz
04-19-12, 09:20
Hi all,

I bumped into her ad, does anyone know or can provide a feedback? http://arizona.pickthechick.com/Phoenix/Carla_C

Thanks in advance

JWoo9
04-19-12, 23:27
Hi all,

I bumped into her ad, does anyone know or can provide a feedback?

http://arizona.pickthechick.com/Phoenix/Carla_C

Thanks in advanceGoogle her number and you will find enough bad info about her that you should keep away.

BlackGhost
04-20-12, 02:15
Hi all,

I bumped into her ad, does anyone know or can provide a feedback?

http://arizona.pickthechick.com/Phoenix/Carla_C

Thanks in advanceCheck the link. http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/beware-she-is-undercover-cop-your-need-is-right-here-her-name-is-bella-phone-602-639-3251-23/14167167

Member #4210
04-20-12, 13:07
Check the link.

http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/beware-she-is-undercover-cop-your-need-is-right-here-her-name-is-bella-phone-602-639-3251-23/14167167Thanks for the warning. I'd say this is entrapment and I am concerned there is a crack down coming to the Valley.

Papa Rotzi
04-20-12, 13:48
If there was going to be a "crackdown", it would have happened by now.


Thanks for the warning. I'd say this is entrapment and I am concerned there is a crack down coming to the Valley.

DavePHX
04-20-12, 16:20
Thanks for the warning. I'd say this is entrapment and I am concerned there is a crack down coming to the Valley.More likely a guy faking a post warning. She has medium and bad review on another board. But not likely LE.

Has had many names and picture shows up other places with other names

Ashley /Bella / Kaylee / Cassandra / Star / Miya /Kourtney
602-639-3251 / 504-388-9380

DavePHX
04-20-12, 16:24
Thanks for the warning. I'd say this is entrapment and I am concerned there is a crack down coming to the Valley.It is not entrapment if the guy calls and starts talking about sex and money. LE routinely does these ads and busts in spurts in Phoenix

Okane
04-20-12, 17:59
Ashley / Bella / Kaylee / Cassandra / Star / Miya / Kourtney, Soda, Yoko, Suki, Orange, Apple, Etc.

Couldn't resist!

Okane

Member #4210
04-20-12, 18:36
If there was going to be a "crackdown", it would have happened by now.You are most observant but something in the air tells me this is going to be a hot summer. With Barry Young on KFYI calling for the AG to clean up Phoenix and shut down the escort section of the BP, and with an AG who has egg on his face from letting a murderer go and killseveral more people, cracking down on the hobby would be an easy way for him to make a mark and a name for himself.

Member #4210
04-20-12, 18:37
Ashley / Bella / Kaylee / Cassandra / Star / Miya / Kourtney, Soda, Yoko, Suki, Orange, Apple, Etc.

Couldn't resist!

OkaneAnd all at the Same Time! .

Are you vouching for the lady?

Okane
04-20-12, 23:31
Simply find it interesting that all the names seem to rotate.

For example, I have never met a Mable in an AMP.

Your posted list of names seemed strangely familiar.

Still looking for a pretty young (legal) thing.

Okane

Member #4210
04-21-12, 02:11
No, Not at the same time- Glad I did not add Kristin to the list

Still looking for a pretty young (legal) thing.

OkaneBefore Kristin hit the skids and went psycho early this week, on about Thursday last week, Kristin revealed to me she had blown you, Okane, off twice and she had offered you oral for 6

Kristin is very jaded and all she cares about is money and control. Rather than deliver the time agreed, she rushes to completion and that's it. However, a little birdy told me Kristin is despirate and not screening men and can't attract better men. She is taking anyone and for rock bottom prices-even though she's trying to raise her rates.

She's at her ropes end; relapse; using hard and mixed. And she has a male freind staying with her. Evidently, he is watching over her while she takes guys back to her bedroom. She is very high volumne and despirate for repeat quality customers.

Too bad she charges for a full hour and then balls like crazy to get an ejaculation in as few minutes as possible and then that's it! It's like waste the guy and drain him.

She is very fearful of rejection. YMMV but she is making rock bottom deals. A little 420 may sweeten the deal but she is also smoking vitamin M and does H at the same time! She'll not last long. And when she's high, she gets sloppy, does way too much dope and either goes up too much and fucks harder than hell or she sedates too much and is nodding off in the middle of a BBBJ! She is a very angry person.

Be Careful!

DavePHX
04-21-12, 03:30
With Barry Young on KFYI calling for the AG to clean up Phoenix and shut down the escort section of the BP, cracking down on the hobby would be an easy way for him to make a mark and a name for himself.Gee is Barry Young still around! I tried to Google or find this webcast if saved but no luck.

When I Googled Barry Young KFYI Prostitution to find more. The 5th hit was from my interview:

I went two hours on air with him challanging me with questions like if swingers were just mentally ill and sex addicts. But I thought I did well with lots of e-mail support vs the callers mostly conservative Christians. Since Rush Lumbaugh followed I should have realized the audiance!

Well that was back in November 1998 and my report and article at www.sexwork.com/coalition/Phoenix/KFYI.html Showed up when I Googled for the a current show

Hummer Bird
04-22-12, 11:58
Wow! I used the forums Settings tab to ad selected members to my ignore list, and it has cleaned up my read immensely on the forum. I should have done this a long long time ago. Try this simple feature out if your tired of bullshit, blogs, or having to scroll down through needless / useless copy pastes of random backpage ads. Cheers. HB

Okane
04-22-12, 12:15
I think that many of us are bored with the critical or useless posts. Hate the ones that add no information that is useful. I look for recommendations that are well written and where a monger has experienced the product.

Okane

Hummer Bird
04-26-12, 14:35
ok this was sent to me by anon, as he cannot post here anymore. it is a wake up call and an alert to the deep presence of le here.

luckily i am too much of an asshole, dickhead, and a motherfucker to mascarade as le. but think what you will. nonetheless here it is.

"l. e. is monitoring this board. i was caught up in a sting last year. etc. they are here and they are probably senior members. i got caught with what they called a minor, even though she never told me until i was in the room, she did not ask me to buy cigarettes and did not even imply that she was **** until i was in the room. when i got there, she did not look even close to being 17 (which makes sense since she was a 27 year old pig) and they got me on child prostitution charges. after a year long battle and $20, 000 to a $425 an hour lawyer, i plead to a open ended class 6 with 3 months in tent city work release and 2 years probation. i don't know if the charges would have stuck, but i could not afford another $20, 000 to find out, aside from risking years in prison. fortunately i did not have to register or anything like that and ulimately after probation it will be a misdimeanor but the whole ordeal has been devastaing. i am fortunate enough not to have lost my family or friends but i think it is important that everyone know that l. e. is a bunch of lying, assholes who go beyond the law to enforce bullshit when there are real crimes out there they should be trying to prevent and protect us from. share what details you think are necissary but they are here and people should be very careful. thanks.

well there you go!

not my call, but a favor to everyone from a past member.

btw: who pays the salary for theses guys? oh where does that money come from? oh.

Chilly Willy
04-26-12, 21:45
Wow! I used the forums Settings tab to ad selected members to my ignore listDon't suppose it would work to screen out the never-ending Kristin reports, too? Without just screening out the main offender?

CW

Member #4210
04-27-12, 00:31
Don't suppose it would work to screen out the never-ending Kristin reports, too? Without just screening out the main offender?

CWAt the risk of offending, the main thing of importance is the woman is off the deep end. She has VD and refuses to get treatment. She confirmed this again today. Be careful.

Mister Purple
04-27-12, 00:54
Ok this was sent to me by ANON, as he cannot post here anymore. It is a wake up call and an alert to the deep presence of LE here. We all appreciate the info. Can you elaborate on how the sting was supposed to be related to this board?

Hummer Bird
04-27-12, 01:17
We all appreciate the info. Can you elaborate on how the sting was supposed to be related to this board?No, I cannot elaborate, as it is not my story, I was just conveying the message for a past contributer who can no longer post due to circumstances beyond my knowledge.

Sorry, but I am sure you can figure it out, and draw your own relationships. Take it for what you will. Really no biggie. I am not trying to persuade anyone. Just feel sorry that he had to spend 3 months in Tent City, while goverment officials are in the spotlight around the world doing pretty much the same thing. Just depends on your status. Ask the Law Guru here Dave PHX. I am sure he know much more than I do about these kind of things.

Cheers

DavePHX
05-03-12, 08:09
ok this was sent to me by anon, as he cannot post here anymore. it is a wake up call and an alert to the deep presence of le here.

"l. e. is monitoring this board. i was caught up in a sting last year. i got caught with what they called a minor, got me on child prostitution charges. i plead to a open ended class 6 with 3 months in tent city work release and 2 years probation. i don't know if the charges would have stuck, ultimately after probation it will be a misdemeanor go beyond the law to enforce bullshit when there are real crimes out there they should be trying to prevent and protect us from. share what details you think are necessary but they are here and people should be very careful. thanks.

btw: who pays the salary for theses guys? oh where does that money come from? oh.question would be if you ever offered money for sex. or just time. you are guilty no matter that she claim an older age, with the pimps with under aged mostly on bp le brags about searching the net for ads and doing reverse stings (the gal a cop) to "save children."

just had rose ii sting past weekend just like last sept with the hooker fair at the church and if the gals agreed to a six month catholic diversion program not charged. 74 arrested i believe 1 ****d and 1 pimp. they bragged about using the internet.

i have not heard any reports of this board being watched. not in 255 page police report on temple 39 or dd 100 but many other boards listed.

anon was lucky to get a class 6 undesignated felony so after sentence can motion to reduce to misdemeanor

the gals take 90% of the risk, most reverse stings are for under aged or sometimes at hotels and the hotels are happy to help with room next door to monitor.

phoenix le is careful never to do anything sexual or be nude (would apply to female decoys). but busts are very easy since gal or customer talks about money and sex which you should never do. one cop in the temple bust in shorts and kept sheet up to neck like scared. gal very good, layed next to him, talked but never crossed the line and the bust team on wire finally gave him the excuse call for him to escape. escort didn't cross the solicitation line.

but usually one or the other makes bust easy for solicitation with minimum tent city time on 1st offense.with no act in furtherance is needed in az.

as suggested huge amount of money wasted six months undercover by about 5 unders. 34 swat team to attack the temple as if the maffia, tons of prosecutor time trying to get felony pleas, court time judges, etc all for in private consenting adults. but prostitution for adults taken very seriously in our conservative city / state

DavePHX
05-03-12, 08:12
We all appreciate the info. Can you elaborate on how the sting was supposed to be related to this board?I would think this info is critical to this board. Some folks would rather not go to prison or have their names in the paper or mug shot on Sheriff Joes site.

DavePHX
05-03-12, 08:15
Just feel sorry that he had to spend 3 months in Tent City, while goverment officials are in the spotlight around the world doing pretty much the same thing.And in private consenting adult prostitution legal and no big deal in most of the world except the USA So its natural for government officials to enjoy freedoms denied in the USA However, with Secret Service it was a legitimate security concern. Now policy is even if legal where they are, can't enjoy the freedom of the host country.

Dirty Old Guy
05-03-12, 09:09
Wouldn't you expect the Secret Service to be Secretly Serviced? :D


And in private consenting adult prostitution legal and no big deal in most of the world except the USA So its natural for government officials to enjoy freedoms denied in the USA However, with Secret Service it was a legitimate security concern. Now policy is even if legal where they are, can't enjoy the freedom of the host country.

Hummer Bird
05-03-12, 12:35
I would think this info is critical to this board. Some folks would rather not go to prison or have their names in the paper or mug shot on Sheriff Joes site.I just read the responses to the post that I posted for ANON. Good info Dave.

Well he sent me the following. (which by the way I do not like doing, one favor ok, but I do not want to be go between or middle man, as my reports are all firsthand, and my rep is based on stone cold reports. Nonetheless here it is.)

Elaborate.

Tell them, that "entrapment" is a myth, at least in AZ. Or it is very difficult to get off on entrapment. SHE in fact offered and mentioned sex first and my barely audible uh huh was the only thing they had. The fact is, they hit you hard with the biggest charge they can and then put you through a year of hell, spending tons of money and they offer you a deal that is the lesser of 2 bad scenarios. They knew I would probably take the deal and they get their conviction and if I didn't, then we go to trial where I am the only one with something to lose. It is all a sick and twisted game. They are right however, I should have seen the signs. And bailed while I was there. I knew something did not feel right and I should have listened to my gut.

HUMMER BIRD says: never talk money in the room, and the first thing you should do is grab their pussy and pull their top down. Have them grab your cock as well, and ask them if they are affiliated with law enforcement. If they flinch your in for a BUMPY ride. I can tell within 10 sec if she is a hoe, as they SHOULD answer the door semi nude.

Cheers

Jack Clear
05-03-12, 20:31
HUMMER BIRD says: never talk money in the room, and the first thing you should do is grab their pussy and pull their top down. Have them grab your cock as well, and ask them if they are affiliated with law enforcement. If they flinch your in for a BUMPY ride. I can tell within 10 sec if she is a hoe, as they SHOULD answer the door semi nude.Yep, I have walked on a lot of occasions and been sentenced to self service following this rule.

I am sure at least one time I saved my own ass, because as I was leaving I glimpsed the toes of a pair of tactical boots around the edge of a door frame.

Only time I've come close to shitting my pants as an adult.

Quipster
05-05-12, 10:58
Here is one example of foolishness: Asking an under cover cop is he / she is affiliated with law enforcement and expecting the truth.

Please just think about that for a few minutes. The fact that the cop is undercover and pretending to not be a cop. That's a lie, cops do it all the time and make arrests based on lies and those arrests are prosecuted because it is not illegal for a cop to lie. How did this ridiculous fallacy get started anyway? . What in the world makes people think a cop can't lie when asked if he / she is a cop?

Mob boss:

Yo Tony, before I make you my soldier and you go to work for me I got one question for ya, are you associated with law enforcement of any kind?

Under cover cop that has infiltrated the mob and is about to become a trusted soldier for the boss:

Oh damn I can't believe you asked me that, yes, you got me, I'm an undecover cop. Shit! I can't believe you asked me that! Oh well, you have a nice day I got to get back to the precinct and fill out shit tons of paper work now thank you very much!

Absurd.

Night Flh
05-05-12, 13:11
[Please just think about that for a few minutes. The fact that the cop is undercover and pretending to not be a cop. That's a lie, cops do it all the time and make arrests based on lies and those arrests are prosecuted because it is not illegal for a cop to lie. How did this ridiculous fallacy get started anyway? . What in the world makes people think a cop can't lie when asked if he / she is a cop?

Absurd.[/QUOTE]So when does it become entrapment?

Hummer Bird
05-06-12, 13:03
[Please just think about that for a few minutes. The fact that the cop is undercover and pretending to not be a cop. That's a lie, cops do it all the time and make arrests based on lies and those arrests are prosecuted because it is not illegal for a cop to lie. How did this ridiculous fallacy get started anyway? . What in the world makes people think a cop can't lie when asked if he / she is a cop? Absurd.So when does it become entrapment?[/QUOTE]
I am going out on a limb here. But I would say it becomes entrapment when you can afford to drop at least 40, 000 on a high profile lawyer. Hey it works for people who murder, and steal billions from the taxpayers / worker bees of this country. Cheers HB

Quipster
05-07-12, 01:29
So when does it become entrapment?[/QUOTE]

My guess is you won't have to worry about entrapment. They practice their craft, so as not to commit mistakes like entrapment.

I don't do this for sex or any kind of sexual activity. I understand that it is not a crime to pay someone for their time, a conversation or non-physical companionship. This is the sole purpose behind any of my visits with any of the ladies I call on. I know others have ulterior motives so I like to remind her as I take out the money that I am happy to pay her for her time and it's been a long time since I have had the pleasure of hanging out with such a pretty woman.

When I hand her the money or place it on the counter or whatever I like to ask her what she would like to talk about. Sometimes we end up talking about sex, ah youth, that's why I love the twenty somethings! Typically though, if it's toward the end of the day and I sit and relax, I will dose off for 20-30 min. If that happens when I'm visiting a part time companion I can have some awesome dreams. But I digress.

That's just me, for legal advise pm davephx

DavePHX
05-07-12, 04:08
Entrapment Questions.

While this is directed at escorts, it also applies to customers caught in a reverse sting which is common in Phoenix and other cities.

A Phoenix lawyer says:

One of the strongest defenses to Prostitution is 'Entrapment. ' Entrapment occurs when an undercover officer who by their actions, induces the defendant to commit the offense, which is something they would not ordinarily agree to do without the actions by the officer. For example, if an undercover police officer utilizes the service of a 'private dancer' or 'escort', and then begins offering extremely large amounts of money to induce the dancer or escort into a sex act, and the dancer eventually submits. If the dancer would not have done the sex act without the actions by the officer, Entrapment would be a viable defense.

http://dmcantor.com/sexual-offenses/prostitution

One of the best descriptions of entrapment and other issues was written years ago by Norma Jean Almodovar, Executive Director of COYOTE.a prostitute's rights organization. And "Cop to Call Girl" book fame. She is dealing with California law but I don't think it would be different in AZ, although some of her warnings may not convince a jury. But always seek legal advice from a competent criminal attorney.

She says:

Entrapment for prostitution is legal (even though it should be unconstitutional, it has not been ruled against because no one has been able to get a case heard in a high court of appeals) ,

The law only requires that you "manifest an acceptance of the offer" and does not say that you take the money. (Dave notes as of 2012 just GFE on websites is resulting in arrests in Phoenix for prostitution since "solicitation" is part of the prostitution law as in CA.) All you have to do to get arrested is to agree (by smiling or nodding your head) to touch his buttocks or genitals (through massage or dominance) or to let him touch yours, and agree to take a fee for it. In cash, or other consideration* The crime of prostitution is all a word game- based on getting a 'solicitation' rather than an actual act out of a suspect. Anything further, such as getting you to get undressed or taking the money they offer, is just 'icing' on their legal case against you.

The new laws in California (Not sure how far this would go in AZ) allow the police officer to lure you with talk of sex for money or other consideration and then arrest you if you agree to do it. You don't have to say anything about sex or money to get arrested. It can be said that you "agree" to do something when you merely nod your head or even smile at him when he suggests that you perform an act of sex for money.

There was a woman who was arrested for prostitution even though she had told the undercover cop "no" when he asked her if she did "Greek" The reasoning he used was as follows. When he arrived at her home, she was vague about what services he would receive for his money. She told him that he would have a good time. When he continued to press her for more specific information, she continued to be evasive. He then asked her if she did "Greek," to which she replied "no." She was then arrested, because it was implied that she would do other sexual things to him even if she would not do one specific thing. A good lawyer should get the case dismissed, but you can still be arrested and have to spend money to defend yourself, so insist that you do not do anything sexual, especially if he keeps asking.

Cops have complete immunity to lie to you. Furthermore, in some states he can legally get undressed and actually have sex with you and still arrest you! In other states where it is not legal for him to have sex with you first, but he does anyway, when he gets on the witness stand, he will lie and the judge and jury will believe him, not you! It isn't fair, but that's the way things are. So, don't think you are safe from arrest just because he has sex with you. If he does get undressed or has sex with you, be sure to write down the physical description of his private parts. The size of his penis, if his body is really hairy or smooth, or if he has any scars or tattoos, and give a copy of your notes to your attorney and hide the original somewhere safe.

Dave notes in at least Phoenix it is "out of policy" for undercover's to have sexual contact. From reading police reports undercover's were very careful. Usually keep shorts on. One had sheet pulled up to his neck. In the Temple Case the officer who presented the case to the Grand Jury, was specially asked if any officers had any sexual contact and he said no. Years ago with Sheriff Joe's mass massage busts, all cases were tossed because deputies went to far (enjoyed themselves too much) for the comfort of the then County Attorney. Sadly even though cases were dropped I know one escort that almost lost her home (had to buy it back from Sheriff for the equity) and another where a large amount of cash was found at her incall home, all were seized under RICO and never returned.

She also says:

Probation. *If you accept probation as your sentence. You have lost all your rights for the time being. Which means that the police don't need an excuse to harass you and accuse you of violating your probation. If you even jay-walk, that constitutes a violation of your probation and you can go to jail for the entire length of your probation sentence. Let's say the maximum time for the first offense for prostitution is 45 days in jail, but if you accept probation and you get 3 years probation, then if you violate your probation. You can go to jail for three years, not 45 days. When you are on probation, the police can enter your home without a search warrant and stop you in a car for no reason. If you are visiting a friend's house, the police can enter your friend's house without a search warrant too, so if they have drugs or other illegal possessions, you can be charged with violating your probation just for being there.

So, if you decide to plead guilty and not take a jury trial, you will not get the opportunity again to tell anyone your side of the story. If you are charged with a violation of your probation, you don't get a trial. You just go to jail.

Fight the law. Do not plead guilty. Take your case to trial. Make them work to put you in jail. The law is wrong and should be fought. If we all fight our cases, instead of giving in, the courts would be more overcrowded than ever, and the police would have to stop arresting us.

Post Arrest Syndrome. No matter what I tell you, you will never be prepared for it when it happens. Being arrested is a traumatic and humiliating experience that can leave you in shock. If you are arrested in your own home, you might feel much like a rape victim does and be afraid to be left alone or feel like you have to move away. You will probably not feel safe in your own place for a while. If the police have broken down your door to enter your home, you will probably experience fear of a reentry attack. There is little to do for such a feeling except to let time pass- and the feeling will eventually go away. You can seek therapy for your trauma, but it is important that you find a therapist or counselor who will not judge you for your profession and try to add guilt to the mixture of unstable emotions. You should ask some of your peers if they know of a therapist who will understand your situation and who will not try to blame your traumatized emotions on your work.

She goes into great detail about the jail experience. Taking food from "Trustees," having to be checked for lice etc. This is from Los Angeles but she goes in to great detail based on lots of experience. She discusses in detail how to handle media if a high profile case, going on talk shows, etc. I would add, don't admit sex no matter how "sacred" you think it is or talking about constitutional rights other than in reference to Lawrence vs Texas case on privacy rights and laws can not be based on "morality". For example, there is no religious right for prostitution as long as the State can show "compelling interest".

More at http://www.coyotela.org/getarrestedinfo.html

Nevin
06-03-12, 14:33
Note: this may be a more serious response than the original posts appear to warrant. I just felt that those posts raised the possibility of misunderstanding and that this was (hopefully) the best way to head it off.

Originals: Streetwalker forum posts 2395 & 2396

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4174-Streetwalker-Reports&p=1461483&viewfull=1#post1461483

And.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4174-Streetwalker-Reports&p=1461483&viewfull=1#post1461483

J-man: <grin I didn't say she should charge more. I said she should charge what she feels her service is worth. If she is getting regular clients that are happy with her and she is happy with them then she's probably priced right. If she's not getting clients at all, or very few, or minimal repeats then she probably is charging too much. Same thing on the other side. If she's busier than she wants to be, or is attracting clients she would rather do without then she might want to adjust her pricing.

You get the same effect by changing your rate when you charge for different visit durations. I've seen many advertisements that charge "x" for 1 hour and "2x" for 2 hours. Obviously they have no preference in terms of duration at that point. But they will charge 75% of "x" for a 1/2 hour. Why? Because they prefer to steer people to the longer sessions? Maybe. Maybe because they have large numbers of "30 minute men" and this maximizes their revenue. I've also seen ads where there is a "discount" off the hourly rate for a longer session. Maybe they prefer those. Or maybe they're just bad at math (never assume.).

Intrance: Obviously we're all free to negotiate. Which sets the value of that service at that moment between those involved at whatever level is agreed upon. Doesn't mean that value will apply for next time.

Just my $1. 50 (obviously I think my thoughts are worth more than a measley 2 cents. <snicker

Nevin

Jack Clear
06-04-12, 17:14
Cops have complete immunity to lie to you.Most important part of Dave's post.

Be careful out there, folks.

Dirty Old Guy
06-04-12, 18:09
Nevin,

Your post is good, but your thoughts are still worth that measley 2 cents. It's just that Obamanomics has blown it up to a buck and a half. :D
Dirty


Note: this may be a more serious response than the original posts appear to warrant. I just felt that those posts raised the possibility of misunderstanding and that this was (hopefully) the best way to head it off.

Originals: Streetwalker forum posts 2395 & 2396.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4174-Streetwalker-Reports&p=1461483&viewfull=1#post1461483

And.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4174-Streetwalker-Reports&p=1461483&viewfull=1#post1461483

J-man: <grin I didn't say she should charge more. I said she should charge what she feels her service is worth. If she is getting regular clients that are happy with her and she is happy with them then she's probably priced right. If she's not getting clients at all, or very few, or minimal repeats then she probably is charging too much. Same thing on the other side. If she's busier than she wants to be, or is attracting clients she would rather do without then she might want to adjust her pricing.

You get the same effect by changing your rate when you charge for different visit durations. I've seen many advertisements that charge "x" for 1 hour and "2x" for 2 hours. Obviously they have no preference in terms of duration at that point. But they will charge 75% of "x" for a 1/2 hour. Why? Because they prefer to steer people to the longer sessions? Maybe. Maybe because they have large numbers of "30 minute men" and this maximizes their revenue. I've also seen ads where there is a "discount" off the hourly rate for a longer session. Maybe they prefer those. Or maybe they're just bad at math (never assume.).

Intrance: Obviously we're all free to negotiate. Which sets the value of that service at that moment between those involved at whatever level is agreed upon. Doesn't mean that value will apply for next time.

Just my $1. 50 (obviously I think my thoughts are worth more than a measley 2 cents. <snicker

Nevin

Nevin
06-05-12, 11:56
Nevin,

[snip] It's just that Obamanomics has blown it up to a buck and a half. .

DirtyLOL.

Couldn't agree more. Next we'll see them advertising prices in gold.

Dirty Old Guy
06-05-12, 19:45
Hell, some of them think their pussy IS gold! :D


LOL.

Couldn't agree more. Next we'll see them advertising prices in gold.

Okane
06-26-12, 08:35
Today's news has 80 kids and 102 pimps arrested / found.

For the power of the FBI, seems small. About 50 cities.

Phoenix found one kid. How lame is that. (1)

The pimps arrested was higher than the number of kids found.

Well, don't want slavery, glad they get those pimps.

Okane

AmanteDeLatina
07-10-12, 04:43
I put an ad in the Craigslist Casual Encounters section and met a lady named Mary. Mary is married but she is in an open relationship. Her husband works the night shift and he does not care if she sees men while he is gone. He sees other women when he is up. Mary is at an apartment complex at 35th Ave. & Northern. Mary is not a good looking lady at all (just like I am not a good looking guy at all) but she is free and she is pretty kinky in bed. She prefers to be contacted by e-mail. I would post the e-mail here but I do not want her to get spammed a lot by bots going on these pages looking for e-mails. If you would like her e-mail please PM me. I have her permission to give it out.

Tooncinator
07-10-12, 12:58
Hey, Tempe Jon.

As I expected, your mailbox is full! .

Tooncinator

AmanteDeLatina
07-10-12, 14:21
I deleted a bunch of PM's. You should be able to PM me now.


Hey, Tempe Jon.

As I expected, your mailbox is full! .

Tooncinator

AmanteDeLatina
07-10-12, 18:46
WOW, I have never seen my PM box so full. I think Mary is going to have plenty of men to work with now. Have fun with her. I'll keep e-mailing it even to non seniors because this one is fully legal. She is free so even if you are undercover there are no laws being broken. LOL.


I put an ad in the Craigslist Casual Encounters section and met a lady named Mary. Mary is married but she is in an open relationship. Her husband works the night shift and he does not care if she sees men while he is gone. He sees other women when he is up. Mary is at an apartment complex at 35th Ave. & Northern. Mary is not a good looking lady at all (just like I am not a good looking guy at all) but she is free and she is pretty kinky in bed. She prefers to be contacted by e-mail. I would post the e-mail here but I do not want her to get spammed a lot by bots going on these pages looking for e-mails. If you would like her e-mail please PM me. I have her permission to give it out.

Tooncinator
07-30-12, 15:00
I won't repost my report here, but if you're headed to Vegas and like "busty young MILF porn-star", I'll direct you to my post in Nevada-Vegas-Escort Reports titled "Great visit with Paige Pretty".

Enjoy! I sure did.

Tooncinator

Bubba1979
07-30-12, 17:34
Ol Bubba was at Talking Stick casino and saw a Latina named Josie who used to be on 68th and Thomas. Not sure if she still is in business anymore. Haven't seen any ad's. She got me to thinking about Marny who used to be next to her. Marny had a rack that would put a Buck Deer to shame. Right across from good old Aztec massage. Was curious if anyone had any knowledge on either one.

Ol Bubba

Nevin
07-31-12, 13:08
Ol Bubba was at Talking Stick casino and saw a Latina named Josie who used to be on 68th and Thomas. Not sure if she still is in business anymore. Haven't seen any ad's. She got me to thinking about Marny who used to be next to her. Marny had a rack that would put a Buck Deer to shame. Right across from good old Aztec massage. Was curious if anyone had any knowledge on either one.

Ol BubbaMarney IO put into the "one that got away" category. Just as I was about to pull the trigger (cash flow sucked big time at that point) she stopped posting. Another girl started posting about the same time who I though might be "Marney reincarnated" but she also stopped fairly soon.

I always wondered.

I'm also wondering what happened to Mandy ('Licious) and Madison (age 33) who used to post. They both seem to have disappeared lately.

Nevin

Quipster
07-31-12, 19:48
I posted a while ago about an ad I saw for this place. Well it's up and running and it's a pretty cool idea, really nice little condo just south of 202 Red Mt. Met Tonya, the lady running the place (no she's not a provider too bad, nice rack). It's not for hooking up with back page girls or other providers (though I don't know how she would know) but for me right now with my little sugarbaby it FUCKING ROCKS! A small porn collection of DVDs to watch on a nice big HDTV above a four poster bed, massage table in 2bnd bedroom, huge mirror next to the bed! Yeah it was fun today! I had to share because she'll only run it as long as people use it. I want to keep using it! Beats the fuck out of a hotel room.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1242174961

http://phoenix.backpage.com/VacationForRent/2br-discreet-love-nest/18619412

Dirty Old Guy
07-31-12, 19:52
Quip,

This place sounds very interesting. Do / can they provide providers too?

Dirty.


I posted a while ago about an ad I saw for this place. Well it's up and running and it's a pretty cool idea, really nice little condo just south of 202 Red Mt. Met Tonya, the lady running the place (no she's not a provider too bad, nice rack). It's not for hooking up with back page girls or other providers (though I don't know how she would know) but for me right now with my little sugarbaby it FUCKING ROCKS! A small porn collection of DVDs to watch on a nice big HDTV above a four poster bed, massage table in 2bnd bedroom, huge mirror next to the bed! Yeah it was fun today! I had to share because she'll only run it as long as people use it. I want to keep using it! Beats the fuck out of a hotel room.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1242174961

http://phoenix.backpage.com/VacationForRent/2br-discreet-love-nest/18619412

Erica Linds
08-01-12, 07:11
Ol Bubba was at Talking Stick casino and saw a Latina named Josie who used to be on 68th and Thomas. Not sure if she still is in business anymore. Haven't seen any ad's. She got me to thinking about Marny who used to be next to her. Marny had a rack that would put a Buck Deer to shame. Right across from good old Aztec massage. Was curious if anyone had any knowledge on either one.

Ol BubbaPlease, please give me details of any sessions with Marnie! She's in Dallas now after a stint in Atlanta. Still doing the funny posts under the health massage. No signs of extras anymore, but a man can dream.

Quipster
08-02-12, 01:04
Quip,

This place sounds very interesting. Do / can they provide providers too?

Dirty.Nothing there but furniture and air conditioning bro

DrGori
08-07-12, 01:04
I just need to get this out there. I cannot take my eyes off the channel 12 weather girl Caribe Divine! She is downright beautiful. To me, anyway.

Papa Rotzi
08-07-12, 10:58
LOL. Yeah, I watch their suck-ass news station JUST so I can see if Caribe is doing the weather. She's the cover girl should Playboy or Penthouse ever do a spread on "The Hottest Weather Girls in the USA" or whatever. The gal on the Atlanta FOX station is also smokin.


I just need to get this out there. I cannot take my eyes off the channel 12 weather girl Caribe Divine! She is downright beautiful. To me, anyway.

Az Dude
08-08-12, 08:32
LOL. Yeah, I watch their suck-ass news station JUST so I can see if Caribe is doing the weather. She's the cover girl should Playboy or Penthouse ever do a spread on "The Hottest Weather Girls in the USA" or whatever. The gal on the Atlanta FOX station is also smokin.Definitely. How many nights have I watched the late news. Just to see that booty! Ima like.. "get the damn graphic out of the way" can't see that 'back'!

And Tram Mai, and Celeste Rodreguiez. Heck even Lin Sue (although she's starting to get a bit long in the tooth these days) The latter is a very petite lady. Ran into her one time at the ultrasound clinic with my SO back in 2002 or so.

I'm always surprised when seeing local news folks live. Most are shorter than they look on TV

Bubba1979
08-08-12, 12:31
You know. I had this dream about a girl I used to see about 4 years ago. This girl used to advertise but gave it up. I remember this young lady had a Monster rack.

Anyway, Ol Bubba got an email from her in his dream, saying she needs some help. Not sure what she needs, but I told her that Seniors would be welcome to her email address.

So, if you like BBW's with Mammoth mammories she might be up your alley.

DrGori
08-08-12, 17:23
Definitely. How many nights have I watched the late news. Just to see that booty! Ima like."get the damn graphic out of the way" can't see that 'back'!

And Tram Mai, and Celeste Rodreguiez. Heck even Lin Sue (although she's starting to get a bit long in the tooth these days) The latter is a very petite lady. Ran into her one time at the ultrasound clinic with my SO back in 2002 or so.

I'm always surprised when seeing local news folks live. Most are shorter than they look on TVI'm totally in love with Hailey Francis too. Great personality.

Member #4354
08-08-12, 18:58
Please, please give me details of any sessions with Marnie! She's in Dallas now after a stint in Atlanta. Still doing the funny posts under the health massage. No signs of extras anymore, but a man can dream.Had seen Marney a few times a few years back. Nice massage, total nude, with a CBJ or HE. Don't think she offers FS. The last time I saw her she was going to have a breast reduction. She said she was having a lot of back problems. Her breast were pretty big!

Anotheronedown
08-08-12, 20:00
Yes, off=topic, but so many of my fellow mongers here have touted Canada, that I hoped one of two of you will PM me.

Heading to Portland in a few weeks and plan on driving up to Vancouver CA. Anybody have tips on excellent bawdy houses?

Mister Purple
08-09-12, 04:44
Yes, off=topic, but so many of my fellow mongers here have touted Canada, that I hoped one of two of you will PM me.

Heading to Portland in a few weeks and plan on driving up to Vancouver CA. Anybody have tips on excellent bawdy houses?Portland is supposed to be a pooner's paradise. Working is legal up in Canada. You may have more luck with your inquiry on the international version of this site:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?104-British-Columbia

Essential One
08-09-12, 05:17
Seattle is pooner's paradise.


Portland is supposed to be a pooner's paradise. Working is legal up in Canada. You may have more luck with your inquiry on the international version of this site:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?104-British-Columbia

Anotheronedown
08-10-12, 11:00
Yeah I have been doing my research. I just figured since so many folks have said vote wonderful Canada was on our forum I quills call the bluff. Thanks though!


Portland is supposed to be a pooner's paradise. Working is legal up in Canada. You may have more luck with your inquiry on the international version of this site:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?104-British-Columbia

Horndog722
08-10-12, 14:40
Whatever happened to Oasis, the porno chick from Lake Havasu? She used to have a smoking hot web page where you could join her fan club and she would select fans at random to do porno flicks with her. I'm sure you had to be recently tested because she fucked bareback and would let you cum in her mouth or pussy (your choice). I'm guessing the Spring Break cops may have shut her down because that place really got crazy with college kids, still is as far as I know.

Shaved Cock
08-11-12, 11:50
Hey Horndog:

Found some sites. Looks like she is still around:

http://pornoasis.com/index.html

http://cum2oasis.********.com/?zx=753bb3e01f26f0d5

Also, do a search on videos. Google. Com for "Oasis s l u t" and you'll see plenty of videos.

I can definitely see why you were asking about her ...

- SC.


Whatever happened to Oasis, the porno chick from Lake Havasu? She used to have a smoking hot web page where you could join her fan club and she would select fans at random to do porno flicks with her. I'm sure you had to be recently tested because she fucked bareback and would let you cum in her mouth or pussy (your choice). I'm guessing the Spring Break cops may have shut her down because that place really got crazy with college kids, still is as far as I know.

Essential One
08-11-12, 12:08
Who was the nice guy that went and saw Sammi this morning Saturday. FYI, her roommates got your car type and license plate number. That was not a very cool thing to do to her, She is very sweet provider. I suggest that you go back and leave the money under the board in front of her front door. She said going to the police I asked her and roommate to wait first and let me post something her. I should hear back that {YOU} left 100 dollars.

Jack Clear
08-17-12, 16:51
Who was the nice guy that went and saw Sammi this morning Saturday. FYI, her roommates got your car type and license plate number. That was not a very cool thing to do to her, She is very sweet provider. I suggest that you go back and leave the money under the board in front of her front door. She said going to the police I asked her and roommate to wait first and let me post something her. I should hear back that {YOU} left 100 dollars.You = world's worst pimp.

John2375
08-18-12, 22:40
I'm in town tonight and tomorrow. Looking for a girl that'll go bare all the way. Any info would be greatly appreciated!

PM me, or email me at my user name at hot mail.

CuteAndCoo2
08-19-12, 03:39
I'm in town tonight and tomorrow. Looking for a girl that'll go bare all the way. Any info would be greatly appreciated!

PM me, or email me at my user name at hot mail.Please play safe. Be safe. Thanks

John2375
08-19-12, 13:48
Please play safe. Be safe. ThanksNot going to get into a debate with you; BBFS is not dangerous like you think. Driving over to your "safe" encounter is much more dangerous.

Have a nice day.

Steve8502
08-20-12, 17:59
I have yet to find a provider that couldn't be persuaded in some way to go bare during session, if persuaded properly.

I have had girls adamantly say absolutely no bare play but, a little conversation as to their likes and "needs" tends to lend ideas of persuasion if you catch my drift.

Inspection prior to the deed is key, ask for some DATY and get down there and take a good look for grapes on the vine or sores of any sort, rashes etc. If the road looks rough then strap on some good "tires" and go do work.

BeenTher
08-20-12, 19:46
I have yet to find a provider that couldn't be persuaded in some way to go bare during session, if persuaded properly.

I have had girls adamantly say absolutely no bare play but, a little conversation as to their likes and "needs" tends to lend ideas of persuasion if you catch my drift.

Inspection prior to the deed is key, ask for some DATY and get down there and take a good look for grapes on the vine or sores of any sort, rashes etc. If the road looks rough then strap on some good "tires" and go do work.Totally agree Steve8502. Been mongering 40 years in Arizona. Have had BBFS from some of the top rated providers. Of course there is that extra "tip", but reasonable. Usually needs to know you as a regular, and one needs to be super selective (never with a SW or suspected user). The lowest extra tip and quickest to agree are our asisn friends at the AMPs. Seems they prefer without if the trust is there and you're a regular. P. S. And knock on wood. Never took anything home.

Tk212
08-20-12, 22:37
When neither party is able to host the incall, only two options remain. A motel room you use for one hour and pay the full day or a concept called the car date. Arizona laws enacted in 2007 prohibits room rentals by the hour. The other option I have heard about is the car date, probably works if you have good gymnastic skills. I would appreciate any input of a general nature to be shared on the board or if you have a specific suggestion send to me privately. Spending 50 for one hour in a room is not good economic sense, generally.

Dirty Old Guy
08-21-12, 08:24
Steve,

Really? You get down there for some DATY to inspect? And you expect to see some evidence of clap, syphilis or AIDS?

If a provider has recently been infected, you won't see anything to suggest that it's,"bad pussy" until your tongue and / or your dick falls off.

Lotsa luck.

Dirty.


I have yet to find a provider that couldn't be persuaded in some way to go bare during session, if persuaded properly.

I have had girls adamantly say absolutely no bare play but, a little conversation as to their likes and "needs" tends to lend ideas of persuasion if you catch my drift.

Inspection prior to the deed is key, ask for some DATY and get down there and take a good look for grapes on the vine or sores of any sort, rashes etc. If the road looks rough then strap on some good "tires" and go do work.

Steve8502
08-21-12, 12:14
Steve,

Really? You get down there for some DATY to inspect? And you expect to see some evidence of clap, syphilis or AIDS?

If a provider has recently been infected, you won't see anything to suggest that it's,"bad pussy" until your tongue and / or your dick falls off.

Lotsa luck.

Dirty.Thanks oh wise one. LMFAO.

It was more of a suggestion because there are some newbies here and some only think with the little head and not the big one. If it happens to stick out in someones head while doing the deed then great, someone saved from bringing home whatever. I didn't say it was full proof, NOTHING is.

I have gone down there and not DATY simply based on smell or discharge but, it's a good transition into an inspection. Thanks for your oh so helpful post though.

Dirty Old Guy
08-21-12, 22:09
Steve,

Always happy to be of service. :D

Dirty.


Thanks oh wise one. LMFAO.

It was more of a suggestion because there are some newbies here and some only think with the little head and not the big one. If it happens to stick out in someones head while doing the deed then great, someone saved from bringing home whatever. I didn't say it was full proof, NOTHING is.

I have gone down there and not DATY simply based on smell or discharge but, it's a good transition into an inspection. Thanks for your oh so helpful post though.

Dirty Old Guy
08-21-12, 22:17
Tk.

If you don't have the option of an expensive motel room, and don't want to break your back in a car date, then try some of the "adult" bookstores. They rent private rooms by the hour.

Dirty.


When neither party is able to host the incall, only two options remain. A motel room you use for one hour and pay the full day or a concept called the car date. Arizona laws enacted in 2007 prohibits room rentals by the hour. The other option I have heard about is the car date, probably works if you have good gymnastic skills. I would appreciate any input of a general nature to be shared on the board or if you have a specific suggestion send to me privately. Spending 50 for one hour in a room is not good economic sense, generally.

Tk212
08-22-12, 23:31
Tk.

If you don't have the option of an expensive motel room, and don't want to break your back in a car date, then try some of the "adult" bookstores. They rent private rooms by the hour.

Dirty.Thanks for your input. I was not aware this option existed. Will definately check this out in the area of the encounter.

Member #4354
08-25-12, 22:16
Wondering how many us have had the unfortunate happen to us while seeing / being with a provider? I got busted by leo 10 years ago after I picked a SW on Van Buren. That was back then when Van Buren had SW's coming out of the woodwork! I had picked up this older skinny SW late one night and we drove around fo a bit and ended in this dead end street in an industrial part off Van Buren. I thought it was a safe location because there were no cars around and we could clearly see if a car was coming down the street. She started a BBBJ and after a few minutes flashlights were shining on us from both sides and a banging on the window on my side. I zipped up my pants and got out of the car. I did not see a police car so I think they might of been cops on bikes that surprised us. Leo took the info off my license and after a short lecture, cut me free. The SW was going to be taken in. Back then it was usually the SW's that were arrested. Today it is different. It still scared the crap out of me and I did not cruise for SW's for months. I have been very cautious ever since but know the risks we take in seeing providers.

Matthew488
08-26-12, 03:27
Wondering how many us have had the unfortunate happen to us while seeing / being with a provider? I got busted by leo 10 years ago after I picked a SW on Van Buren. That was back then when Van Buren had SW's coming out of the woodwork! I had picked up this older skinny SW late one night and we drove around fo a bit and ended in this dead end street in an industrial part off Van Buren. I thought it was a safe location because there were no cars around and we could clearly see if a car was coming down the street. She started a BBBJ and after a few minutes flashlights were shining on us from both sides and a banging on the window on my side. I zipped up my pants and got out of the car. I did not see a police car so I think they might of been cops on bikes that surprised us. Leo took the info off my license and after a short lecture, cut me free. The SW was going to be taken in. Back then it was usually the SW's that were arrested. Today it is different. It still scared the crap out of me and I did not cruise for SW's for months. I have been very cautious ever since but know the risks we take in seeing providers.Luckily I have not had that experience but in the last couple of months had my cellphone stolen by a pair of girls and my Bluetooth taken by a girl. I was starting to think that with the price of replacing these items I'm not saving any money by doing the VB stroll vs going to BP.

Papa Rotzi
09-07-12, 19:52
Try clearing your IE Cache and cookies. That works many times.


I am getting a lot of little red x's on this site where there are supposed to be images or something. Is anyone else having this problem? I'm just trying to figure out if it's my computer or the site, although this is the only site I'm seeing this. It started a few days ago when the site was so slow I gave up on it. Just wondering, it seems to be working fine otherwise.

Shotgun1
09-09-12, 20:44
I'll be in phoenix in a couple of weeks and have been watching the board for a GFE outcall provider to come to my hotel in scottsdale while I'm there. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'm in tucson and if you want to trade info that's great. Also considering a escort service, never used one, is the escort fee just that and services later are extra? Or is it a package deal. Thanks

Tooncinator
09-11-12, 12:02
I've got a problem that I hope why'all will shed wisdom upon. My favorite provider apparently breeds jock-itch flora in her warm, soft, enthusiastic mouth. Three visits over about 5 weeks, and three times within a day or so I daydream about scrubbing my balls and taint with a extra-rough wash cloth (which really isn't a good idea).

This wasn't an issue ever before. Never had jock itch, never had athlete's foot, even in the army never wearing shower shoes. I thought I was invincible, but 'taint true. Lamisil, the anti-fungal stuff, doesn't deliver a knockout punch in a timely manner so I've taken to giving the boys a coat of triple-antibiotic like Neosporin, which clears it up within a couple days.

Any advise?"Don't put your balls in her mouth" really isn't an option I favor, and swabbing the boys in vinegar after each visit might draw attention from the missus: "damn! I spilled the whole salad in my lap. Again!"

Regards,

Tooncinator

Jamesj
09-11-12, 13:09
I've got a problem that I hope why'all will shed wisdom upon. My favorite provider apparently breeds jock-itch flora in her warm, soft, enthusiastic mouth. Three visits over about 5 weeks, and three times within a day or so I daydream about scrubbing my balls and taint with a extra-rough wash cloth (which really isn't a good idea).

This wasn't an issue ever before. Never had jock itch, never had athlete's foot, even in the army never wearing shower shoes. I thought I was invincible, but 'taint true. Lamisil, the anti-fungal stuff, doesn't deliver a knockout punch in a timely manner so I've taken to giving the boys a coat of triple-antibiotic like Neosporin, which clears it up within a couple days.

Any advise?"Don't put your balls in her mouth" really isn't an option I favor, and swabbing the boys in vinegar after each visit might draw attention from the missus: "damn! I spilled the whole salad in my lap. Again!"

Regards,

TooncinatorTOONCINATOR, we need a name? (LOL)

My "boys & junior" have had a lot of French lessons, just need to know who, NOT to "learn" that from!

Be safe & happy hunting, JAMESJ

Chica Chaser
09-12-12, 00:31
I've got a problem that I hope why'all will shed wisdom upon. My favorite provider apparently breeds jock-itch flora in her warm, soft, enthusiastic mouth. Three visits over about 5 weeks, and three times within a day or so I daydream about scrubbing my balls and taint with a extra-rough wash cloth (which really isn't a good idea).

This wasn't an issue ever before. Never had jock itch, never had athlete's foot, even in the army never wearing shower shoes. I thought I was invincible, but 'taint true. Lamisil, the anti-fungal stuff, doesn't deliver a knockout punch in a timely manner so I've taken to giving the boys a coat of triple-antibiotic like Neosporin, which clears it up within a couple days.

Any advise?"Don't put your balls in her mouth" really isn't an option I favor, and swabbing the boys in vinegar after each visit might draw attention from the missus: "damn! I spilled the whole salad in my lap. Again!"

Regards,

TooncinatorToon, offer her a ride to the closet Urgent Care. Sounds like its something easily treatable, she needs to get that handled.

MyDixieWrecked
09-12-12, 12:16
It kinda depends on how bad it is, but I think creams of any kind are a bad Idea. You want to dry the area out and not put moisture in it. The sell gold bond type powder at the dollar store. Dry yourself with a towel really well, then powder the area. Keep it dry and most important, do it at night before you go to bed.

I doubt it was the provider. The first itch of anything that we get when being with this type of girl we blame them, but there is truly no way to know.

Good luck.

Tooncinator
09-12-12, 13:26
Toon, offer her a ride to the closet Urgent Care. Sounds like its something easily treatable, she needs to get that handled.She actually has a Much nicer car than I do. You're right, but that's not an easy conversation."Mmm, yeah, both of them; use your tongue. You know, after you do that, my balls itch really bad for a couple days." Heh.

Next time I'll hurry home and get squeaky-clean ASAP. If it happens again I'll hit the urgent care myself and discuss it with a doc who doesn't know me and my wife. Hell, maybe it's the lube she's using? I've always been a little too busy to notice what it is, except that she's obviously ok with the taste.

With the low response I like to assume that this isn't a common issue.

Regards,

Tooncinator

Chica Chaser
09-13-12, 03:33
She actually has a Much nicer car than I do. You're right, but that's not an easy conversation."Mmm, yeah, both of them; use your tongue. You know, after you do that, my balls itch really bad for a couple days." Heh.

Next time I'll hurry home and get squeaky-clean ASAP. If it happens again I'll hit the urgent care myself and discuss it with a doc who doesn't know me and my wife. Hell, maybe it's the lube she's using? I've always been a little too busy to notice what it is, except that she's obviously ok with the taste.

With the low response I like to assume that this isn't a common issue.

Regards,

TooncinatorThe lube's a good possibility too. It may just be an allergic reaction, especially if its a silicone based one.
I doubt it's anything serious on her part, but I have heard of reactions to some lubes before.

Desert Rat
09-14-12, 00:39
Any advise?"Don't put your balls in her mouth" really isn't an option I favor, and swabbing the boys in vinegar after each visit might draw attention from the missus: "damn! I spilled the whole salad in my lap. Again!"

Regards,

Tooncinator[/QUOTE]I had the same exact problem with a provider once and it turned out to be a yeast infection. I did not think this could happen in your mouth but I guess it can. Doctors call it thrush and it is treated the same way it is if happens any other orifice.

Shaved Cock
09-14-12, 10:49
Went to Discretions last Friday night. Fairly busy with maybe 7 couples partying in the private room. No open action unfortunately. Anyhow, I see this fairly attractive gal standing by herself in garters, etc. I went up to her to see if she'd like to party, to which she replied "yes" and "I'm an escort." Now, I've been in the lifestyle for 20+ years and this is fairly unusual for talent to be soliciting. I asked her what her name as and she replied: "Naomi. Which is "I Moan" backwards. That rang a bell, and sure enough:

http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/erotic-sexy-what-more-could-you-want-19/19163117

- SC.

P. S. Anyone interested in a new section on Swing Clubs?

Dirty Old Guy
09-14-12, 21:14
Shaved,

I was going to swing clubs back in the heyday of the 60's and 70's, when it was REALLY wild, but I haven't played them in years. Back then single guys could always make out at swing clubs (Hell, this was back in the time of, 'Fuck-The-One-You're-With') , but I've heard that it is more hit and miss now.

I think the 'escort' you met there came up with a very good idea. She obviously knows the single guys will be there with the 'little head' doing all the thinking, and will be willing to shell out some bucks to her if they can't get laid for free from a couple. She should be able to make some good $$$ with this idea. Maybe more 'escorts' will start showing up at the swing clubs. She should be in marketing!

Come to think about it, if you take an escort to a swing club, you, as a couple, will get in for free, or for a small door fee (I've heard that single guys have to pay $50. 00+ to get in). As a couple you can get into more action with other couples than you would as a single, and after you wear yourself out with her, she can go fuck some other guys there and make some $$$. Win-Win for both of you. You fill up her pussy, and she fills up her 'purse-y'...... :D Hhmmmmm.

Are there a lot of clubs here in the valley? Is it worth it now for a single guy to pay $$$??? To get in, and still not be guaranteed of getting laid? How much action is there in 'swinging' here in the valley? I think a swinging board would be a good idea. Maybe you should be in marketing, too. :D

Dirty.


Went to Discretions last Friday night. Fairly busy with maybe 7 couples partying in the private room. No open action unfortunately. Anyhow, I see this fairly attractive gal standing by herself in garters, etc. I went up to her to see if she'd like to party, to which she replied "yes" and "I'm an escort." Now, I've been in the lifestyle for 20+ years and this is fairly unusual for talent to be soliciting. I asked her what her name as and she replied: "Naomi. Which is "I Moan" backwards. That rang a bell, and sure enough:

http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/erotic-sexy-what-more-could-you-want-19/19163117

- SC.

P. S. Anyone interested in a new section on Swing Clubs?

DavePHX
09-15-12, 06:11
Are there a lot of clubs here in the valley? Is it worth it now for a single guy to pay $$$??? To get in, and still not be guaranteed of getting laid? How much action is there in 'swinging' here in the valley? I think a swinging board would be a good idea. Maybe you should be in marketing, too. :D.Swing clubs were made illegal in 1999. The big Club C had to close or owner go to prison. I was on the legal committee fought it all the way to the 9th Circuit Appeals and lost but I thought the argument was the wrong one.

Amazingly the 2 clubs left (think only 2) have not been attacked by the city, have no idea why. I've talked to one of the owners in the past year (to change their link) and knew the other owner from various meetings including with Phoenix police Chief (prior) and head of vice. At least we got them to stop recording license numbers of cars in the Club C lot.

Most swinging is done via private homes from various swing boards. Totally couples only other than the two clubs that make most of their money on single guys who have little chance of action and most swingers avoid since most only want couples. For good reasons.

I have the entire history of the 1999 fight on my site (not sure can do link here so won't)

Now the war on sex is going after escorts, even for GFE on ads since soliciting and doing felony busts of lets see almost 100, about 50 and 39 in the most recent massive stings with swat teams and massive firepower since breasts are so dangerous and a risk to society.

Obvously should not have any swing club section which would risk the remaining clubs with operate the same as the one forced to close. The religious group helped write the law as they have done in many cities across America "to protect neighborhoods and children" they say.

Local TV went to club C parking lot and scanned the neighborhood looking for any neighborhoods and children. Nothing but railroad tracks and industry nearby."Where are the children and neighborhood?" that need protecting the reporter asked.

Tk212
09-18-12, 22:10
Any suggestions on providers that are au natural, aka with Bush, that have been noteworthy?

Mister Purple
09-19-12, 04:55
Any suggestions on providers that are au natural, aka with Bush, that have been noteworthy?Your best bet is to make friends with the provider of your choice and request what you seek.

Newbie80
09-20-12, 15:26
Swing clubs were made illegal in 1999. The big Club C had to close or owner go to prison. I was on the legal committee fought it all the way to the 9th Circuit Appeals and lost but I thought the argument was the wrong one.

Amazingly the 2 clubs left (think only 2) have not been attacked by the city, have no idea why. I've talked to one of the owners in the past year (to change their link) and knew the other owner from various meetings including with Phoenix police Chief (prior) and head of vice. At least we got them to stop recording license numbers of cars in the Club C lot.

Most swinging is done via private homes from various swing boards. Totally couples only other than the two clubs that make most of their money on single guys who have little chance of action and most swingers avoid since most only want couples. For good reasons.

I have the entire history of the 1999 fight on my site (not sure can do link here so won't)

Now the war on sex is going after escorts, even for GFE on ads since soliciting and doing felony busts of lets see almost 100, about 50 and 39 in the most recent massive stings with swat teams and massive firepower since breasts are so dangerous and a risk to society.

Obvously should not have any swing club section which would risk the remaining clubs with operate the same as the one forced to close. The religious group helped write the law as they have done in many cities across America "to protect neighborhoods and children" they say.

Local TV went to club C parking lot and scanned the neighborhood looking for any neighborhoods and children. Nothing but railroad tracks and industry nearby."Where are the children and neighborhood?" that need protecting the reporter asked.Why don't they attack the gay sex clubs, like Chute and Flex? I imagine more fucked up shit goes in there, than will ever in a straight swing club.

Jerry8
09-21-12, 12:05
Bored the other night so played email tag with CL listings. Got a hit back for a. 4 BBBJ. If your in the Laveen area and are into a quick one from a thick black girl. I got the digits for you.

Hobbymaster
09-21-12, 13:42
Why don't they attack the gay sex clubs, like Chute and Flex? I imagine more fucked up shit goes in there, than will ever in a straight swing club.Homophobia is the many reason. Can you imagine a undercover homo cop going in and patting guys on the butt.

Yeah right the religious group would like to restrict everything but they would use a different strategy for gay clubs.

They usually go after them like they are straight and claim that they attract illegal activities.

Once they shut down the straight fun world then they will go after the other.

DavePHX
09-24-12, 07:51
Sting against johns and New mass arrests by Sheriff Joe from web ads.

The war on consenting adults using web is getting lots of Phoenix media attention.

First we had the nationwide "Operation Buyer Beware" in late August resulting in 264 consenting adult arrests targeting web site ads, part of the ongoing effort that included Phoenix. Of those arrests. 26 focused on the demand-side of prostitution, targeting men referred to as "johns" who were fined $299, 710, and the 'rescue' of four juveniles. In addition 101 misdemeanor civil / prostitution arrests. 9 pimping / pandering and 128 vehicles towed.

In Phoenix any questions should be directed to Sgt. Steve Martos, Phoenix AZ PD Public Information Officer and various Phoenix arrest examples have been detailed.

Bragging site and to raise funds to stop prostitution at http://www.demandabolition.org/

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In September, Sheriff Joe is back at it in the war against in private consenting adults and web ads.

"It's not just the county island, we've done this in other hotels," Sheriff Joe Arpaio said."I'm sure you're not going to stop this type of activity. Some media attention. Might act as a deterrent to others getting involved in this type of thing."

The operation had the familiar feel of any sting, with detectives making contact with suspects who came to a designated hotel. There, the suspects made contact with an undercover deputy, who secured an offer of sex for money and then used a code word as a signal for other deputies to storm the hotel room.

In a separate operation, on a recent weeknight, a half-dozen detectives crowded into a Tempe hotel room to run a sting. Two deputies were assigned to contact women advertising as escorts on the Internet. Within 30 minutes, two women had agreed to spend an hour with the undercover detectives in exchange for $200.

Xxxxxx discussed the fetishes of some of her clients and noted that she had been in the hotel room before. Detectives searching her purse found a medical-marijuana card, a switchblade and paperwork indicating she had attended a prostitution-diversion class earlier in the day in an effort to avoid prosecution for an August arrest in Phoenix."I like sex," xxxxxxx said when detectives asked how she got involved in prostitution."It's just easy."

In the ongoing battle between Valley police and prostitution rings, Internet sites advertising adult services have become a valuable tool for police. The sheriff's deputies also did not identify any minors during the month long operation. ABC15 News shows Sheriff Joe answering question, why not go after more serious crime. He says he enforces all laws, 'if you don't like it change the law, '

A photo gallery of 30 arrested gals and johns is on various websites from latest Sheriff Joe sting. As far as I know this is the first time Joe has taken on prostitution after all his arrests were tossed years ago in the mass massage bust case (but mugshots of arrested still up on some sites and one escort had to buy her home back for $50, 000 equity who had home taken under RICO and I know two others who lost $10, 000-$20, 000 under RICO even though all charges were tossed. Even though criminal charges dropped huge profits to be made by RICO (Arizona criminal enterprise laws)

Dave Notes – We should be supporting these consenting adults who in private enjoy sexwork and doing what would be legal in most of the world and trying to challenge the prostitution laws so more won't wind up with mug shots all over the Internet. We have at least 6 ongoing cases I am monitoring in Maricopa County Superior Court with about 100 defendants. But as in the DD case and others most are taking pleas. Almost all felonies. Instead of fighting using various potential arguments as I have discussed in huge detail.

In my support of the industry since 1996 I am concerned about how to protect yourself, never offer anything illegal and current concerns include:

Many popular broiler plate websites are easy bust since clearly advertising for illegal prostitution and recent arrests show no direct LE contact needed just the bust team from offers of sex using common terms on websites. One canned site very explicit.

2 call system especially dangerous legally, reports criminal attorney.

Ironically Canada sexworker's had a 2nd big win in "Attorney General of Canada v. Downtown Eastside Sex Workers United Against Violence Society". Of course outcall and its advertising has always been legal the issue is the right to have incalls (rarely enforced 1800's bawdy house violation) and other aspects. As one sexworker said,"I do hope there's a trend [in Canada] towards recognizing that sex workers are human beings and deserve to have their dignity respected, deserve to be heard, and have their expertise understood. '

AmanteDeLatina
09-26-12, 02:41
I had an interesting encounter with a non pro. I had a lady give me a blow job. She told me that she was not charging for the BBBJ but she was going to charge me $30 for parking my car in her driveway for the time I was there. Just curious, if DavePHX or someone else that is fairly knowlegeable about legal issues is on, does anyone know if this would fly in a court room?

Danimal Forth
09-26-12, 03:20
I had an interesting encounter with a non pro. I had a lady give me a blow job. She told me that she was not charging for the BBBJ but she was going to charge me $30 for parking my car in her driveway for the time I was there. Just curious, if DavePHX or someone else that is fairly knowlegeable about legal issues is on, does anyone know if this would fly in a court room?ARS 13-3211.

5."Prostitution" means engaging in or agreeing or offering to engage in sexual conduct under a fee arrangement with any person for money or any other valuable consideration.

I think that your scenario generally falls under "valuable consideration".

DavePHX
09-26-12, 07:54
She told me that she was not charging for the BBBJ but she was going to charge me $30 for parking my car in her driveway for the time I was there. Just curious, if DavePHX or someone else that is fairly knowlegeable about legal issues is on, does anyone know if this would fly in a court room?It would be up to a jury but its like paying for time not sex issue. By the letter of the law, there was no money paid for sex. The problem is almost all cases plead (if felonies) or just take the 15 days in Tent City of just prostitution and very few cases got to trial.

In the police report for the Phoenix Goddess Temple lying in bed with naked escort a undercover cop tried every trick in the book to get her to offer sex for money vs just the $204 / hr rate. He failed and no prostitution bust (but she was charger with association with criminal enterprise sue to listing on their site, even with no prostitution case- since never offered sex for money (only time with her).

On the Private List and Phoenix Temple List I am presenting a new argument which is key with busts not going on for GFE etc in ads being such an easy bust as an offer. About the only jury case I know was a conviction solely due to GFE term on website. And of course the ongoing Temple case I am reading the briefs and attending court hearings.

I have been for years in long legal discussion NY person who argues in the Temple and other cases that if you are buying time, even if expectation also may include sex it is not prostitution. Up until recently I have been having a hard time agreeing but I am now getting convinced this may be a potential defense for not only the Temple but many escort cases.

A win on the issue of "$204 / hr is for time not sex" would be as much of a "landmark" case as Lawrence vs Texas was for the right of gays to have anal sex in private. And "landmark" parts that laws can not be based on morality and the State has no business regulating private sex acts. But in prostitution cases no wins yet on this argument.

His argument, I am starting to embrace and suggest to lawyers which are better able to judge.

He argues that sex for money. The basic definition of prostitution ("sexual conduct") means sex for money. Not "Time" even if sex is included, if no payment is made for the sex, just the time it is not "sex for money".

" Paying $204 for an hour of time and it includes a hand job as per our religious beliefs is absolutely legal as the money pays for the one hour session not the hand job" Dave adds. Or other "sexual conduct".

"Lets look at this; the charge is: 'solicitation' when a church member asks for $204 for a one hour therapy session. Solicitation (for hour therapy session) is not illegal but as a red herring it draws a defense lawyer off the real issue, 'prostitution' and what the money paid for was an one hour therapy session. BUT there was a hand job included. Yes, there was a hand job included but the law was not broken because none of the money paid for the hand job. No sexual conduct was paid for with a fee"

He points out the confusion of what is sex for money related to sex for time 'Supreme Court ruling said that all laws have to be written in language that can be understood by people on ordinary intelligence. Do you know what sex for money means. I don't. I know what money for sexual conduct means that is very clear and defined the law clearly in the law library. There is no such definition for GFE or a dozen other buzz words which might mean this or mean that."

Dave adds, good point. The United States Supreme Court held that a law can not be so vague that a person of ordinary intelligence can not figure out what is innocent activity and what is illegal. Chicago v. Morales, Docket: 97-1121, Citation: 527 USA 41 (1999) and quotes from Justice John Paul Stevens for the plurality. This case was about a Chicago loitering ordinance but applies to many other cases. The only issue on certiorari was whether the ordinance was unconstitutionally vague, either on its face or as applied, in violation of "the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the USA Constitution.

Dave notes there are zillions of other cases pointed out in article "Clarity in Criminal Statutes: The Void-for- Vagueness Doctrine" at http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-14/54-void-for-vagueness-doctrine.html

My NY Case friend continues and asserts strongly,"Arizona is getting away with liberal interpretations that are beyond the limits set when the law was written. They are making up their own rules as they move along then claim it has always been that way. No it hasn't. The courts are breaking the law more often than we can count and getting away with it because we don't have a way or the money to fight back. If you could get prosecutors to obey the law everything would be fine, and everything would be clearly defined."

Note this NY person has won in NY courts and has had three dismissed indictments in a decade long fight. But with pressure from anti-sex women's groups the State keeps trying to recharge and even changed the NY law to more closely fit his activities. His latest case was that he "advanced prostitution" even though it was admitted by the the there were no prostitutes involved!

As he says about his case,"I sold him (person testifying for NY) a trip to Angeles City in the Philippines where there are 6, 00.

0 dancing girls called GRO's that have a license to go out on dates with customers and furthermore the likelihood of sexual conduct is so high that they are required to get a VD exam every week as part of their licensing agreement." (His issues related to NY include if it is legal in the Philippines can NY prosecute him if illegal under NY law)

Dave notes while US law is different from Canadian of course, the issue of sex for money is similar. This is somewhat the Canada solution for nude-reverse-release body rubs I loved so much, not falling under the 1800's bawdy house law against incalls. The "release" is just expected as part of a session, never discussed, no separate fee, just done and no legal issue. Unfortunately we do not have the same strong freedoms as under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And of course prostitution itself always legal in Canada (as most of the world) , just not in an incall at least before the latest win in Ontario Appeals court striking down the bawdy house law. Canada has now appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada as a Constitutional Charter of Rights issue trying to reverse the Ontario Court that ruled that bawdy houses (incalls) ARE legal under Canadian law.

NY friend continues about his case and comments on Temple case:

"The whole thing is insane. There are no prostitutes and no prostitution. The new (NY) law says 'patronize prostitutes regardless of legal in the foreign jurisdiction it is illegal in New York. ' Where are the prostitutes to be patronized? The women the Philippines our customers meet are 'licensed entertainers' not prostitutes. So if we get an unfavorable ruling in the Appellate Court then every effort needs to be made to get a ruling from the Court of Appeals and from there all the way to the US Supreme Court if need be.

The Phoenix religious group should do the same. Get the case out of Phoenix and up the ladder as high as needed. Is it a religion or isn't it? That is a matter of law. If it is a religion then a religious defense is valid. (His) case keeps going to the Appellate Court not the Court of Appeals. I have been to the Appellate Court three times with the State of New York and now for a 'fourth' time against Westchester County. If we lose this time at the Appellate Court then we will try to go to the Court of Appeals and on up the ladder until we either win or run out of courts. Could take years.

". Escort business depend on the money paying for time regardless of what is said in a conversation. Sexual conduct is terms and conditions of the job and a matter of consenting adults doing whatever they agree too."

These views are purely editorial and do not reflect the specific legal strategy of any case. These are in NO way indicating the intention or defense of those indicted. All criminal charges are alleged and discussions of charges does not imply any guilt. I am not a lawyer; any legal issues should be addressed by a competent attorney.

Jamesj
09-26-12, 08:48
I had an interesting encounter with a non pro. I had a lady give me a blow job. She told me that she was not charging for the BBBJ but she was going to charge me $30 for parking my car in her driveway for the time I was there. Just curious, if DavePHX or someone else that is fairly knowlegeable about legal issues is on, does anyone know if this would fly in a court room?Don't think this would fly.

LE / States attorney would ask for her "business" license / permit.

IE, operating a business in a residential area etc.

AND also, how could U Xplain paying that high a fee just to "park" in a driveway?

The last point, to make things simple, if it is her "property / driveway", how would LE prove any $$ exchanged hands.

Suggest it was your 'girlfriend" giving U a little gift before U departed (LOL)

JAMESJ

DavePHX
09-26-12, 08:57
Don't think this would fly. LE / States attorney would ask for her "business" license / permit.
IE, operating a business in a residential area etc.

Licensing is minor fine. However in Phoenix sometimes they do busts for not having escort license with number on ads etc but impossible to comply with and of course can't involve sex.

Likewise the residential business law. Not a criminal issue, zoning violation. Scottsdale has very strict code for business in residential zone, Phoenix much less restrictive (limits number of workers can be employed, cars parked etc as I recall). But rarely enforced and even in the Phoenix Temple big issue when they were in residential zoning of was it Scottsdale or PV forget, not a big issue other than media pressure resulting in them moving to commercial zoning in Phoenix (allowed "Churches).

I have never heard of a zoning issue vs no license ticket or worse prostitution or worse criminal enterprise felony for agencies, massage parlors or whenever have more than just individual escort.

AmanteDeLatina
09-26-12, 15:39
how could U Xplain paying that high a fee just to "park" in a driveway?I pay that high fee to park there because the "customer service" is outstanding. ROFL

Jamesj
09-26-12, 16:57
I pay that high fee to park there because the "customer service" is outstanding. ROFLThat was a good one!

In this "business", it's all about customer service! (LOL)

JAMESJ

BlackGhost
09-26-12, 21:59
"Beware Of Park Lee Apts 15th Ave & Highland. I just responded to an ad on here for a girl who was doing P4P at Park Lee Apts at 15th Ave & Highland. When I got there she told me she was only 16 years old so I refused to do the deal and as I was leaving there were police cars parked by the door. Since I had exchanged no money they could not do anything to me. Beware though of that place!"

MrProper1
09-27-12, 02:31
I'm new to this all and I'm having trouble having my first dream. Most providers want a reference, but how do I see a good provider if I have no references? It's like I need a reference to get a reference.

Please help. I could sure use some advice!

Jo Kuz
10-23-12, 09:00
I was using a site called xhamster to view free porn, well in the past year I got hit with Malware twice while on the site, both totally locked up my pc. Last one was an fake FBI thing that said to send $200 to unlock my pc, yah right. Took it to my PC guy and he got rid of it. I use Trend Micro for internet security but apparently I will have to get something else, he recommends Norton's latest, says it gets the best rating. Also while he was working on it he installed Mozilla Firefox for Web Browser, what a difference I should of switched years ago, so much faster it's unbelievable. I will never use IE again unless I absolutely have to.

Dirty Old Guy
10-23-12, 09:07
Joe,

Try tube8. Com for free porn. I've never had a problem with it.

Dirty.


I was using a site called xhamster to view free porn, well in the past year I got hit with Malware twice while on the site, both totally locked up my pc. Last one was an fake FBI thing that said to send $200 to unlock my pc, yah right. Took it to my PC guy and he got rid of it. I use Trend Micro for internet security but apparently I will have to get something else, he recommends Norton's latest, says it gets the best rating. Also while he was working on it he installed Mozilla Firefox for Web Browser, what a difference I should of switched years ago, so much faster it's unbelievable. I will never use IE again unless I absolutely have to.

AZ Nympho
10-23-12, 12:57
I was using a site called xhamster to view free porn, well in the past year I got hit with Malware twice while on the site, both totally locked up my pc. Last one was an fake FBI thing that said to send $200 to unlock my pc, yah right. Took it to my PC guy and he got rid of it. I use Trend Micro for internet security but apparently I will have to get something else, he recommends Norton's latest, says it gets the best rating. Also while he was working on it he installed Mozilla Firefox for Web Browser, what a difference I should of switched years ago, so much faster it's unbelievable. I will never use IE again unless I absolutely have to.Try XNXX. Com.

They have a huge selection! I've been using it for years without any problems.

LazerFlash
10-23-12, 20:07
I was using a site called xhamster to view free porn, well in the past year I got hit with Malware twice while on the site, both totally locked up my pc. Last one was an fake FBI thing that said to send $200 to unlock my pc, yah right. Took it to my PC guy and he got rid of it. I use Trend Micro for internet security but apparently I will have to get something else, he recommends Norton's latest, says it gets the best rating. Also while he was working on it he installed Mozilla Firefox for Web Browser, what a difference I should of switched years ago, so much faster it's unbelievable. I will never use IE again unless I absolutely have to.Try xvideos. Com. Has a great selection for free.

DrGori
10-23-12, 23:39
I was using a site called xhamster to view free porn, well in the past year I got hit with Malware twice while on the site, both totally locked up my pc. Last one was an fake FBI thing that said to send $200 to unlock my pc, yah right. Took it to my PC guy and he got rid of it. I use Trend Micro for internet security but apparently I will have to get something else, he recommends Norton's latest, says it gets the best rating. Also while he was working on it he installed Mozilla Firefox for Web Browser, what a difference I should of switched years ago, so much faster it's unbelievable. I will never use IE again unless I absolutely have to.Guess I'll chime in too. Redtube works well, also.

CrashXXX
10-25-12, 13:54
I was using a site called xhamster to view free porn, well in the past year I got hit with Malware twice while on the site, both totally locked up my pc. Last one was an fake FBI thing that said to send $200 to unlock my pc, yah right. Took it to my PC guy and he got rid of it. I use Trend Micro for internet security but apparently I will have to get something else, he recommends Norton's latest, says it gets the best rating. Also while he was working on it he installed Mozilla Firefox for Web Browser, what a difference I should of switched years ago, so much faster it's unbelievable. I will never use IE again unless I absolutely have to.Youporn. Com

Hobbymaster
10-26-12, 03:21
I was using a site called xhamster to view free porn, well in the past year I got hit with Malware twice while on the site, both totally locked up my pc. Last one was an fake FBI thing that said to send $200 to unlock my pc, yah right. Took it to my PC guy and he got rid of it. I use Trend Micro for internet security but apparently I will have to get something else, he recommends Norton's latest, says it gets the best rating. Also while he was working on it he installed Mozilla Firefox for Web Browser, what a difference I should of switched years ago, so much faster it's unbelievable. I will never use IE again unless I absolutely have to.I like those sites and EFUKT but I use linux mint with firefox and is has had no effect on my machine

Phxdude
10-26-12, 04:35
I was using a site called xhamster to view free porn, well in the past year I got hit with Malware twice while on the site, both totally locked up my pc. Last one was an fake FBI thing that said to send $200 to unlock my pc, yah right. Took it to my PC guy and he got rid of it. I use Trend Micro for internet security but apparently I will have to get something else, he recommends Norton's latest, says it gets the best rating. Also while he was working on it he installed Mozilla Firefox for Web Browser, what a difference I should of switched years ago, so much faster it's unbelievable. I will never use IE again unless I absolutely have to.I use burningcamel. Funny name but good links to video.

OldWarrior
10-26-12, 22:31
I was using a site called xhamster to view free porn, well in the past year I got hit with Malware twice while on the site, both totally locked up my pc. Last one was an fake FBI thing that said to send $200 to unlock my pc, yah right. Took it to my PC guy and he got rid of it. I use Trend Micro for internet security but apparently I will have to get something else, he recommends Norton's latest, says it gets the best rating. Also while he was working on it he installed Mozilla Firefox for Web Browser, what a difference I should of switched years ago, so much faster it's unbelievable. I will never use IE again unless I absolutely have to.Also with Firefox, make sure to get NoScript. It will stop any page from loading up ads and junk until you allow that page. Works really good on sites like xhamster. You can set it to only allow xhamster and not the other pop up ads that will show up.

Az Dude
10-30-12, 08:44
Beeg is an 'aggregator' has high quality vids from many of the pay sites.

Member #4210
11-14-12, 20:26
Let's keep this short since many of you don't want to hear another word about Kristin, but she's cleaned up. Went thur detox and treatment. And she stopped escorting for a while. She tried a regular job but recently returned to escorting.

Kristin primarily services old customers she knows.

Evidently ceasing dope was good for her because she says now she is doing better than ever before and isn't advertising. She's been able to buy a new luxury car.

PM me for her number. She likes texts and she claims she is more reliable and more INTO IT than ever.

Can't wait to see for myself and try a car date. I know it's risky but exciting and it's an SUV.

She might be as good or better than her early days when she first started and was a lot of fun.

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Photos are old from April this year before she cleaned up. She's always been good looking.

Member #4210
11-16-12, 23:43
Mostly nabbing outcall girls.

Authoritative source.

This is current and ongoing right now!

Be careful.

Several girls busted

Shaved Cock
11-20-12, 11:24
Kinksters:

Check out my review of Dark Odyssey in San Francisco the weekend before last. Absolutely wild:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1830-Sadomachism

- SC

Member #4210
11-27-12, 11:48
Cheryl is off the streets! But still not going on BP. It's mostly repeat customers and word of mouth referrals. She tries to stay UTR.

Without a doubt Cheryl offers the fullest menu for one-on-ones including the back door. What she calls GFE might start that way but quickly rolls into Full PSE!

There is not an ounce of fat on her body. She is strong and offers a banging time-if you can handle her. .

This petite spinner with a near perfect ass enjoys this as much as us or more! Her attitude is about the best! She is direct and she is brighter than most. She is candid and freshing and doesn't put on any airs.

Not a clock watcher and doesn't fake anything. She is real. She loves to be touched and is a cross between the GND and a MILF combining the Best Parts of Both! A mature yet youthful provider. She puts younger and older girls to shame.

Cheryl has a new incall that is private with good parking in a safe location. She has made great effort to improve her communications. She responds best to email and to texts.

Her rates are among the best and she is willing to work with you and your budget. Incall, Outcall, Car Dates. Oral. 40 BBBJCIM DT. FS. 80. FH $.20. Overnight $$$$$.

Cheryl's kissing is great. LFK gives way quickly to DFK. She is clean and she likes anal. She likes it all.

Her Oral Skills are incredible. Lots of attention to the boys, plenty of spit and eye contact. She is flexible and intiates a lot of position changes.

A real energizer bunny! But no batteries; she never wears down.

little1az@yahoo.com

Text 623-336-2513.

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MyDixieWrecked
11-28-12, 02:54
Is Lostforwords really our old friend intrance? Stop hawking the same in girl in every section.

Papa Rotzi
11-28-12, 12:48
I don't think this is Intrance, but the dude has GOT to be in commissioned sales! Damn. Wonder what his cut is? Free or discounted sessions? I'm sure she's a decent lay, but for being a street girl, she's really raised her rates. Hope it works out for her this time, and that no more guys get burned. Play safe, brothers.


Is Lostforwords really our old friend intrance? Stop hawking the same in girl in every section.

Member #4210
11-28-12, 14:13
Mind telling me what her rates used to be?

Thanks in Advance.


I don't think this is Intrance, but the dude has GOT to be in commissioned sales! Damn. Wonder what his cut is? Free or discounted sessions? I'm sure she's a decent lay, but for being a street girl, she's really raised her rates. Hope it works out for her this time, and that no more guys get burned. Play safe, brothers.

Member #4210
11-28-12, 14:16
Hard body. 6-pack.

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Papa Rotzi
11-28-12, 18:27
Pretty easy to figure out since she was walking the streets. My guess would be $20-$30 for Oral, $40-$50 for F / S. Not saying it's high now, just that re-marketing her skills has moved her into the more elite ranks.


Mind telling me what her rates used to be?

Thanks in Advance.

Matrix Neo
11-28-12, 20:44
Interesting story on porn (mostly amateur porn) filmed in the Phoenix area:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/20121119phoenix-area-investigations-reveal-porn-industry.html

Dirty Old Guy
11-28-12, 20:58
Dixie,

LFW could not possibly be Intrance. LFW writes coherent sentences. Intrance doesn't even know what coherent means! :D

Dirty.


Is Lostforwords really our old friend intrance? Stop hawking the same in girl in every section.

Member #4210
11-28-12, 22:18
Seems that the number I have for Chrisie was not working but now it gives message that the customer is not available. She lived in a trailer court in Mesa close to Main as I recall. Anyone hear anything about her recently?

Thanks in Advance

Jo Kuz
11-29-12, 08:03
Mind telling me what her rates used to be?

Thanks in Advance.I used to have her at my place for 60-80, usually would get around an hour if not more, and that included everything. BTW this does sound an awful lot like Intrance except for the good writing skills.

Member #4210
11-29-12, 11:14
The secret is Athena's clock is broken!

She has such an impaired sense of time and loves cock so much that she will go over time every time.

Her photos don't do her justice! And her impairment is not due to drugs because she doesn't use anything! She is very clean and I recommend her. In fact, I'd say Athena is a little cock starved.

Incredible legs and in shape. Doesn't smoke. Massage and BBBJ break the ice. She really is the goddess of love.

Menu might be limited [no back door] but her appetite is ferocious. And no one kisses better! She always dresses the part. Be careful; she'll nip at your nipples. She is one playful provider! YOU got to SEE ATHENA!

Steve8502
11-29-12, 11:54
Seems that the number I have for Chrisie was not working but now it gives message that the customer is not available. She lived in a trailer court in Mesa close to Main as I recall. Anyone hear anything about her recently?

Thanks in AdvanceUsed to see her walking all the time, had the opportunity to "chat" a few times as well. Haven't seen her out or any sign of her near the trailer court in a long time. Maybe she moved on.

So much LE action and construction on Main tween CC and Dobson it's almost not worth it. Been a few SW's here and there but, always a LEO hanging around near by. As of late that is.

Tjinla2001
11-29-12, 19:04
Cheryl is simply stunning looking and I can't wait to see her for a romantic car date. I wonder what her secret is to staying so thin?

Member #4210
11-29-12, 19:15
Although she says she is a sex addict and she likes protein bars, her motivation is Vitamin M.


Cheryl is simply stunning looking and I can't wait to see her for a romantic car date. I wonder what her secret is to staying so thin?

Jerry8
11-30-12, 12:03
Used to see her walking all the time, had the opportunity to "chat" a few times as well. Haven't seen her out or any sign of her near the trailer court in a long time. Maybe she moved on.

So much LE action and construction on Main tween CC and Dobson it's almost not worth it. Been a few SW's here and there but, always a LEO hanging around near by. As of late that is.Seen her on Main near Ext headed west last Friday around 5. Did not partake at this time. She's still around near the trailer park.

SensualAthena
12-01-12, 23:22
Hi LostForWords,

And hi to everyone else. Thanks LFW. I know my knowledge of time just isn't there. And I do apologize if I have made you wait a little bit but you know in the end since I don't really wear a watch or have any concept of time you will and do benefit in the end.

Looking forward to your next visit.

Love,

Athena


The secret is Athena's clock is broken!

She has such an impaired sense of time and loves cock so much that she will go over time every time.

Her photos don't do her justice! And her impairment is not due to drugs because she doesn't use anything! She is very clean and I recommend her. In fact, I'd say Athena is a little cock starved.

Incredible legs and in shape. Doesn't smoke. Massage and BBBJ break the ice. She really is the goddess of love.

Menu might be limited [no back door] but her appetite is ferocious. And no one kisses better! She always dresses the part. Be careful; she'll nip at your nipples. She is one playful provider! YOU got to SEE ATHENA!

Quipster
12-03-12, 12:30
Hi LostForWords,

And hi to everyone else. Thanks LFW. I know my knowledge of time just isn't there. And I do apologize if I have made you wait a little bit but you know in the end since I don't really wear a watch or have any concept of time you will and do benefit in the end.

Looking forward to your next visit.

Love,

AthenaA word to the wise:

Some of us are professionals who are very concerned about our time. Waiting isn't an option no matter what we might be waiting for. Good advise would be, if you wish to keep company with highly professional gentlemen, you MUST accommodate for their time. If I can slip away from my office for an hour or so for some fun I can't be kept waiting. Because of this, I can't even entertain the idea of seeing someone who I know may very well keep me waiting.

Successful people, no matter what the business, understand they need to conform to the needs of their customers, not the other way around.

LoneWinds
12-03-12, 14:06
She made me wait over two hours, before her doggy got his bath. By then I was dreaming deeply in another provider.

Member #4210
12-03-12, 20:53
Something like that. She says she has it and all contacts are secure but she is hesitant to initiate contact with her former clientele. Nevertheless, she wants to hear from previous regulars. Mallory has been out of town for a bit; something about a relationship that didn't quite work.

I didn't know where to put this since she was a BP regular and also walks quite a bit.

Mallory invites her former regulars to contact her on her new number and texting is AOK at 480-343-1044.

She's occassionally walking in east Mesa area around Main & Power and Broadway & Higley etc.

She's is offering Car Dates and Outcall.

Papa Rotzi
12-04-12, 00:34
She's running ads on BP again: http://phoenix.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/this-could-quite-possibly-be-the-most-perfect-morning-ever-34/16424627

You can search via "mallory" or the phone number in the original post if you'd like to see some pics of her.


Something like that. She says she has it and all contacts are secure but she is hesitant to initiate contact with her former clientele. Nevertheless, she wants to hear from previous regulars. Mallory has been out of town for a bit; something about a relationship that didn't quite work.

I didn't know where to put this since she was a BP regular and also walks quite a bit.

Mallory invites her former regulars to contact her on her new number and texting is AOK at 480-343-1044.

She's occassionally walking in east Mesa area around Main & Power and Broadway & Higley etc.

She's is offering Car Dates and Outcall.

Dirty Old Guy
12-04-12, 18:54
I have over 400 posts in the last 2 or 3 years that I've been here on the boards, but I looked for something I wrote about a few months ago and found that all of my previous posts are gone!

This is the first time this has happened to me. Is this something that Jackson does every now and then to clean up space? Has this happened to anyone else? Anyone know why / how this happened?

Thanks,

Dirty

Mister Purple
12-04-12, 23:12
Is this something that Jackson does every now and then to clean up space? Has this happened to anyone else? Anyone know why / how this happened?I actually noticed this phenomenon a couple months back when I was researching a member's posts to see what they had contributed. The search results were not returning anywhere near what the member's number of posts was supposed to be. I messaged the administrator of the site about it but never heard anything back.

If you will notice, the number of posts below your name in the column to the left remains the same as what you said it should be. I just searched my own posts and the results returned 'zero', though it should be around 150. But I also scrolled back to when I remembered posting something, and my posts are still there. Having said that, the first time I was at 90 or so posts, there were some renovations to the site and I lost about half of them, so that has happened in the past. But currently it seems maybe there is just a glitch in the search function, which sucks for researching previous provider reviews.

Member #4210
12-04-12, 23:58
I searche my own and came up with NONE. No matches. I may not have as many as you guys but I have a few Quality reports. What is going on?

SensualAthena
12-05-12, 06:12
Well, LoneWinds,

I beg to defer here. I would have only started bathing my doggy if you didn't call me an hour before hand to confirm. So if I don't get no call I don't get ready for the assigned time. Now if you call me after the time I stated then yes you'd have to wait. My puppy is a shih tzu and they have a lot of hair and takes a bit to bathe and to dry. So it's your bad for not calling me at the right time.

And yes we must be professionals, but a lot of these professionals do set up times to see me but never call and never show up. So how professional is that. At least I call you back if I'm running late or answer and ask for a few more minutes.

So please take into consideration that when asked to call me an hour before hand to confirm that is exactly what I mean.

Well, here's to giving my side of this drama.

Have a great night and great week.

Luv,

Athena


She made me wait over two hours, before her doggy got his bath. By then I was dreaming deeply in another provider.

SensualAthena
12-05-12, 07:00
HI GUYS,

Please let me explain and tell you what happened. First off when I don't get the confirming phone call, nope I don't get ready for you. The reason is to many say they are coming and I get all ready and wait and tell others someone else is on their way, then the one that I was waiting on never show or call and I wait and wait and try see find out why not. I then will call the ones that I said no to but to late they either can't now or seen someone else. So I lose twice.

Now confirming great and to call me at the assigned time at the place I asked is the best. But no where do I say get there way early and go ahead and start calling me early because I won't be answering I will be getting ready up to the time and maybe a few minutes more.

This guy has over dramatized what really happened. If he hadn't gotten there so early if he hadn't left before the agreed upon time he wouldn't have been home already. He didn't answer my calls or texts which started 3 to 5 minutes after his last call to me.

Yes, I did say it was his loss, for the fact I am one of the very few that actually enjoy this. The first visit is a little stressful for the both of us but once the knowing of who is actually here it is all gravy good. Chances are after your first visit you will be wanting to come back again and again.

So come on now. It takes 2 sides of a story to get the complete story.

By the way, this is my only means of income and I have a lot of out going expenses so NO I take what I do seriously. And if you follow instructions and directions there isn't any problem.

So Thank you for listening to me and hopefully you'll not only listen to rumor's by a disgruntled guy that didn't' even tell everything that happened. But will let yourself judge me for yourself, I promise you won't be a disgruntled guy.

Thanks have a great day.

Luv.

Athena

SensualAthena
12-05-12, 07:10
Thanks lfw.

Luv.

Athena.


the secret is athena's clock is broken!

She has such an impaired sense of time and loves cock so much that she will go over time every time.

Her photos don't do her justice! And her impairment is not due to drugs because she doesn't use anything! She is very clean and i recommend her. In fact, i'd say athena is a little cock starved.

Incredible legs and in shape. Doesn't smoke. Massage and bbbj break the ice. She really is the goddess of love.

Menu might be limited [no back door] but her appetite is ferocious. And no one kisses better! She always dresses the part. Be careful; she'll nip at your nipples. She is one playful provider! You got to see athena!

Jo Kuz
12-05-12, 08:55
I searche my own and came up with NONE. No matches. I may not have as many as you guys but I have a few Quality reports. What is going on?I have the same problem, as a matter of fact if you click on anybody and click on the link in their profile to find all post, every time I tried it said none found even though the profile said they had a few hundred posts. Hopefully this is something the admin is aware of and just a temporary glitch. I did not try contacting admin on this because any time I tried to contact him on any issue I never receive any response. That also goes for any search, I tested by going into SW Reports and search thread for Cheryl, which we know has many posts with that name in, none found.

Chilly Willy
12-05-12, 09:03
I have over 400 posts in the last 2 or 3 years that I've been here on the boards, but I looked for something I wrote about a few months ago and found that all of my previous posts are gone!

This is the first time this has happened to me. Is this something that Jackson does every now and then to clean up space? Has this happened to anyone else? Anyone know why / how this happened?

Thanks,

DirtySame thing happened with old PMs for me. Noticed it quite a while ago and figured the server was set up to automatically delete old stuff to save space, maybe?

CW

Nevin
12-05-12, 11:25
Personally I'm betting it's a bug in the search itself. Often when I search and then click on the post I'm looking for it sends me off somewhere else. So often I'm just looking at the datestamp on the post in question and manually hunting in another window until I find it.

It could be that the database just needs to be re-indexed.

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Matrix Neo
12-07-12, 21:54
Within the last week, nighttime hours (roughly 10pm to 4am) , have seen quite a few hot young girls on Bell, between I-17 and 15th Ave. I've also seen some chicks walking down Union Hills, between 19th Ave and 27th Ave. A couple times on 27th Ave between Yorkshire and Loop 101. Twice on Deer Valley between 19th Ave and 27th Ave. Maybe some have been working the various motels in the area. I don't know if they were all working girls or not. Some looked like the kind of chicks you would only see out once or twice, if ever.

Interesting thing I noted recently, a few motels specifically stating "No visitors after 9pm" or around that time of night. These were the Motel 6 on I-17 and Northern, the Motel 6 on I-17 and Bell, and the Premier Inn on I-17 and Peoria. Who knows what you might be able to get away with if you just happen to be in the parking lot of one of these establishments late at night.

I've seen women of various ages "hanging out" late at night by themselves, and they looked as if they could have used a lift. I personally was unable to see what these women would have done to thank me for my kindness, but seeing as it's the holiday season, maybe some of you will get lucky out there with some "damsels in distress" who you would only see out once in a blue moon, if ever. I've met women like that in past years, thanks to everyone being so needy.

Tjinla2001
12-08-12, 15:47
Cheryl is off the streets! But still not going on BP. It's mostly repeat customers and word of mouth referrals. She tries to stay UTR.

Without a doubt Cheryl offers the fullest menu for one-on-ones including the back door. What she calls GFE might start that way but quickly rolls into Full PSE!

There is not an ounce of fat on her body. She is strong and offers a banging time-if you can handle her. .

This petite spinner with a near perfect ass enjoys this as much as us or more! Her attitude is about the best! She is direct and she is brighter than most. She is candid and freshing and doesn't put on any airs.

Not a clock watcher and doesn't fake anything. She is real. She loves to be touched and is a cross between the GND and a MILF combining the Best Parts of Both! A mature yet youthful provider. She puts younger and older girls to shame.

Cheryl has a new incall that is private with good parking in a safe location. She has made great effort to improve her communications. She responds best to email and to texts.

Her rates are among the best and she is willing to work with you and your budget. Incall, Outcall, Car Dates. Oral. 40 BBBJCIM DT. FS. 80. FH $.20. Overnight $$$$$.

Cheryl's kissing is great. LFK gives way quickly to DFK. She is clean and she likes anal. She likes it all.

Her Oral Skills are incredible. Lots of attention to the boys, plenty of spit and eye contact. She is flexible and intiates a lot of position changes.

A real energizer bunny! But no batteries; she never wears down.

little1az@yahoo.com

Text 623-336-2513.

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Jerry8
12-08-12, 16:59
Here is another hot picture of Cheryl that was taken by Uncle Joe. Phoenix is lucky to have the hottest girls in the USA.

217475She looks better in her pictures than in person. LOL

Member #4210
12-08-12, 20:27
Man, that's almost scarey!


Here is another hot picture of Cheryl that was taken by Uncle Joe. Phoenix is lucky to have the hottest girls in the USA.

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Member #4210
12-08-12, 20:42
She's going downhill fast. I heard from another female about how Cheryl and her currently encarcerated bf would rolled unsuspecting marks, auto theft and bail jumping. Cheryl's taking to hanging out with blacks and concurrently claiming and reclaiming said black dudes are ripping her off. WTF?

Honestly, I don't know what to make of it. Seems like the roosters have come home to roost. I give up on her.

And, no, there isn't an ounce of appreciation for my overly positive reports. Her thinking kind of waxes and wanes.

I did my best to give her another chance to work. Cheryl is definitely a YMMV type.

Dirty, she is and will be.

She's going to get a "vacation" at tax payer expense eventually.

I heard she's at The Red Roof off the I17 at Dunlop.

The most beneficial thing one might do for Cheryl, provided she is willing, is take her in for a while and get her to detox. But that's kind of like trying to tame a wild lynx and attempting to make a wild animal a pet. She'll stare at you while leaping to embed her claws in the shower curtain and shred the entire length of plastic to spite ya!

Member #4210
12-08-12, 20:57
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217537

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BillyO
12-08-12, 21:34
She's going downhill fast. I heard from another female about how Cheryl and her currently encarcerated bf would rolled unsuspecting marks, auto theft and bail jumping. Cheryl's taking to hanging out with blacks and concurrently claiming and reclaiming said black dudes are ripping her off. WTF?

Honestly, I don't know what to make of it. Seems like the roosters have come home to roost. I give up on her.

And, no, there isn't an ounce of appreciation for my overly positive reports. Her thinking kind of waxes and wanes.

I did my best to give her another chance to work. Cheryl is definitely a YMMV type.

Dirty, she is and will be.

She's going to get a "vacation" at tax payer expense eventually.

I heard she's at The Red Roof off the I17 at Dunlop.

The most beneficial thing one might do for Cheryl, provided she is willing, is take her in for a while and get her to detox. But that's kind of like trying to tame a wild lynx and attempting to make a wild animal a pet. She'll stare at you while leaping to embed her claws in the shower curtain and shred the entire length of plastic to spite ya!Thanks for the heads up.

I was going to give her a try but I thinl I'll pass now.

Tjinla2001
12-09-12, 01:15
She's going downhill fast. I heard from another female about how Cheryl and her currently encarcerated bf would rolled unsuspecting marks, auto theft and bail jumping. Cheryl's taking to hanging out with blacks and concurrently claiming and reclaiming said black dudes are ripping her off. WTF?

Honestly, I don't know what to make of it. Seems like the roosters have come home to roost. I give up on her.

And, no, there isn't an ounce of appreciation for my overly positive reports. Her thinking kind of waxes and wanes.

I did my best to give her another chance to work. Cheryl is definitely a YMMV type.

Dirty, she is and will be.

She's going to get a "vacation" at tax payer expense eventually.

I heard she's at The Red Roof off the I17 at Dunlop.

The most beneficial thing one might do for Cheryl, provided she is willing, is take her in for a while and get her to detox. But that's kind of like trying to tame a wild lynx and attempting to make a wild animal a pet. She'll stare at you while leaping to embed her claws in the shower curtain and shred the entire length of plastic to spite ya!She was at knights inn

BillyO
12-09-12, 01:50
Thanks for the heads up.

I was going to try and hook up with her.

At this point I think I'll pass.

Jo Kuz
12-09-12, 10:00
She's going downhill fast. I heard from another female about how Cheryl and her currently encarcerated bf would rolled unsuspecting marks, auto theft and bail jumping. Cheryl's taking to hanging out with blacks and concurrently claiming and reclaiming said black dudes are ripping her off. WTF?

Honestly, I don't know what to make of it. Seems like the roosters have come home to roost. I give up on her.

And, no, there isn't an ounce of appreciation for my overly positive reports. Her thinking kind of waxes and wanes.

I did my best to give her another chance to work. Cheryl is definitely a YMMV type.

Dirty, she is and will be.I hate to say I told you so, BUT, I told you so. You were warned by myself and someone else on here, hopefully she didn't s rip you off yet.

Kangpin
12-09-12, 10:04
217535

217536

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217538Responded to one of my CL post a few weeks ago.

I went & met her at the Best Western of the I-17. She opened the door with only a towel on just got out of shower, but wasn't tryin to service me (I'm black)

Spent the time tryin to get me to put eletric service into some apt. she claimed she was moving into. So a scammer she is for sure.

I reserved comment until I saw the photo's, the pits in her face comfirmed.

For me that it was in fact the same chick.

Member #4210
12-09-12, 10:25
No. She did not rip me. If anything I took a little advantage. True, I extended myself and everyone needs a little help once in a while. While I may be dissappointed, cheryl might owe me a reply but that's all.

You did warn me. Even at that I took a chance. She didn't burn me. Perhaps I got lucky.

I did my best to advise her to correct past errors but I did not know about her collusion with her bf to rip guys off.

Aside from that, her habits have hurt her and she will eventually get a long vacation provided her luck and health remain intact. Cheryl DID me right.


I hate to say I told you so, BUT, I told you so. You were warned by myself and someone else on here, hopefully she didn't s rip you off yet.

Tjinla2001
12-09-12, 14:23
She isn't much to look at but she does have a nice body. Tasty box and for a little extra BBFS is available. What more can you want from a street girl?

Jerry8
12-09-12, 16:32
Sometime I feel like no one reads these post. Give it up guys. She's on a downhill slide. Lets put more time in out there scouting for her next replacement.

Tjinla2001
12-09-12, 16:41
Sometime I feel like no one reads these post. Give it up guys. She's on a downhill slide. Lets put more time in out there scouting for her next replacement.She isn't the best out there but she has a lot of potential if she can cut down on her bad habits and pick up a few pounds and clear up her skin problems.

Anotheronedown
12-09-12, 18:54
What's happened to the search? I went to see who has posted what and I only get the last months worth of posts? For example, Jerry here only shows two posts but his sig says 32.


Sometime I feel like no one reads these post. Give it up guys. She's on a downhill slide. Lets put more time in out there scouting for her next replacement.

Member #4210
12-09-12, 19:38
She isn't the best out there but she has a lot of potential if she can cut down on her bad habits and pick up a few pounds and clear up her skin problems.Shadow offered another petite girl who she says shames Cheryl. Anyone want to TOFTT?

Tjinla2001
12-09-12, 19:39
Shadow offered another petite girl who she says shames Cheryl. Anyone want to TOFTT?Does she also provide BBFS?

Jo Kuz
12-09-12, 19:58
Does she also provide BBFS?Better be careful with that BBFS, especially with someone like her who does that with everyone, including all her meth buddies and black pals. Before you know it your dick will be falling off.

Asnover
12-09-12, 21:49
Better be careful with that BBFS, especially with someone like her who does that with everyone, including all her meth buddies and black pals. Before you know it your dick will be falling off.BBFS? After those reviews? Any reviews?

Please. Play safe-be safe!

Asn

Tjinla2001
12-09-12, 21:55
BBFS? After those reviews? Any reviews?

Please. Play safe-be safe!

AsnCheryl said she gets tested monthly- prohably courtesy of Maricopa County jail. So far I don't have any open sores or flu like symptoms so I think the coast is clear.

Anotheronedown
12-09-12, 22:32
I think I'll bite. Any pics?


Shadow offered another petite girl who she says shames Cheryl. Anyone want to TOFTT?

Dirty Old Guy
12-09-12, 23:02
Another,

Some of us just finished a conversation about lost posts here in Gen. Reports. There are quite a few of us whos previous posts have vanished. I have over 400 in the last 2 or 3 years and now they are gone. I've written Jackson / Admin about it 2 times and have yet to receive a response. Don't know what happened.

Dirty.


What's happened to the search? I went to see who has posted what and I only get the last months worth of posts? For example, Jerry here only shows two posts but his sig says 32.

Member #4210
12-10-12, 01:52
Nope. You need to call Shadow for any and all info.


I think I'll bite. Any pics?

Jenkins
12-12-12, 01:08
Sometime I feel like no one reads these post. Give it up guys. She's on a downhill slide. Lets put more time in out there scouting for her next replacement.That sucks. She was on my to do list.

Kangpin
12-12-12, 08:33
Shadow offered another petite girl who she says shames Cheryl. Anyone want to TOFTT?I give it shot. Cheryl did have a bangin body. PM the info me please.

CuteAndCoo2
12-12-12, 10:27
Better be careful with that BBFS, especially with someone like her who does that with everyone, including all her meth buddies and black pals. Before you know it your dick will be falling off.When you do that you ALMOST have slept with everyone that she has slept with. And it also makes it an unsafe place for the rest of the men that go after. Some may or may not agree with this. PLEASE. Play safe. BE safe. Side note. If a potector breaks during happy time, I don't want to be at the clinic all day with a burning sensation, or worse.

Desert Rat
12-14-12, 02:13
So I'm cruising through BP and I find a woman I know in the community is an escort working out of her home. I see this woman at least once a month at social functions. One of her kids go to college with one of my kids. Needless to say I have said nothing but with how wired kids are these days I am worried her children or their friends will find out. I have been out of the hobby for a while but after a recent divorce I jumped in with both feet. I will probably take no action but this is the first time I have dealt with this before. In my younger and wilder days I dated a stripper for a month but this is a completely different situation.

Erica Linds
12-14-12, 03:41
So I'm cruising through BP and I find a woman I know in the community is an escort working out of her home. I see this woman at least once a month at social functions. One of her kids go to college with one of my kids. Needless to say I have said nothing but with how wired kids are these days I am worried her children or their friends will find out. I have been out of the hobby for a while but after a recent divorce I jumped in with both feet. I will probably take no action but this is the first time I have dealt with this before. In my younger and wilder days I dated a stripper for a month but this is a completely different situation.There's a semi-regular BP ad for a neighbor of mine. I don't know her, but she's escorting pretty much next door. I haven't bumped into her yet and not sure what I'll do if that happens. Maybe I should partake without telling her I'm nearby. Except she's a little pricey and I want the neighborhood discount.

DrPotato
12-14-12, 11:35
So I'm cruising through BP and I find a woman I know in the community is an escort working out of her home. I see this woman at least once a month at social functions. One of her kids go to college with one of my kids. Needless to say I have said nothing but with how wired kids are these days I am worried her children or their friends will find out. I have been out of the hobby for a while but after a recent divorce I jumped in with both feet. I will probably take no action but this is the first time I have dealt with this before. In my younger and wilder days I dated a stripper for a month but this is a completely different situation.Not sure what dating a stripper in your youth has to do with this situation. We're you planning on dating her? Just because you know she is an escort now doesn't mean you have to do anything. If anyone was worried about someone finding out it would be her, and she wouldn't have posted her actual pictures online for the world to see without knowing it was a possibility. Just leave it.

Slacker30
12-14-12, 12:40
So I'm cruising through BP and I find a woman I know in the community is an escort working out of her home. I see this woman at least once a month at social functions. One of her kids go to college with one of my kids. Needless to say I have said nothing but with how wired kids are these days I am worried her children or their friends will find out. I have been out of the hobby for a while but after a recent divorce I jumped in with both feet. I will probably take no action but this is the first time I have dealt with this before. In my younger and wilder days I dated a stripper for a month but this is a completely different situation.In reality you are no different than the provider you know. She is selling her ass and you are buying ass. You both have children in college. It's weird for you to personally know someone who is a provider, but you are a monger yourself. You are the same as she is. Why not tell her you are a monger and hook up with her yourself.

You would be surprised at how many kids know what type of lifestyle their parents lead, or who are socially liberal and have a live and let live mentality.

Bubba1979
12-14-12, 13:48
Was wondering if any of you fine mongers here have had any experience with testosterone injections or cremes.

I had a test done and it was about normal for my age but little Bubba seems hesitent as of late for some reason.

Of course I have have tried the blue and yellow pills but they are hit and miss. I am buying them from a guy on Craigslist so maybe they are fakes for all I know.

Have even considered acupuncture. If anyone has any suggestions I'm all ears.

Ol Bubba

Dirty Old Guy
12-14-12, 22:02
Rat,

Well now that you are jumping in with both feet, go meet this woman and get your dick in there too. :D She obviously parties, and like Erica said, you might get the neighborhood discount. Hell, she might end up being your ATF!

And I agree with the Dr. She's promoting herself with photos and saying what she'll do for money. YOU aren't going to mess anything up for her with her family or friends.

Lotsa luck,

Dirty.


So I'm cruising through BP and I find a woman I know in the community is an escort working out of her home. I see this woman at least once a month at social functions. One of her kids go to college with one of my kids. Needless to say I have said nothing but with how wired kids are these days I am worried her children or their friends will find out. I have been out of the hobby for a while but after a recent divorce I jumped in with both feet. I will probably take no action but this is the first time I have dealt with this before. In my younger and wilder days I dated a stripper for a month but this is a completely different situation.

Member #4210
12-15-12, 02:08
I think his fear is that his own kids might discover his hobby.

Mind sharing a link to her BP adds?

Maybe someone has already seen her or maybe another could TOFTT and report back.


Rat,

Well now that you are jumping in with both feet, go meet this woman and get your dick in there too. She obviously parties, and like Erica said, you might get the neighborhood discount. Hell, she might end up being your ATF!

And I agree with the Dr. She's promoting herself with photos and saying what she'll do for money. YOU aren't going to mess anything up for her with her family or friends.

Lotsa luck,

Dirty.

Member #4210
12-15-12, 02:21
Androgel works well but isn't cheap and requires a prescription. One pack a day seems reasonable about 3-4 hours before coitus. However, anything more should be followed with Lab tests.

NEO40 is great and pretty cheap. No prescription required. Take it daily and take an additional dose before playing.

Recently, I got three pops overnight. While that's a far cry. From. My halcyon days of five pops. In an afternoon, it. Is pretty magical for an old man.

Also, I find prettier working girls more "inspiring." Above all, regular exercise helps the most.


Was wondering if any of you fine mongers here have had any experience with testosterone injections or cremes.

I had a test done and it was about normal for my age but little Bubba seems hesitent as of late for some reason.

Of course I have have tried the blue and yellow pills but they are hit and miss. I am buying them from a guy on Craigslist so maybe they are fakes for all I know.

Have even considered acupuncture. If anyone has any suggestions I'm all ears.

Ol Bubba

GreekIslandNew
12-15-12, 02:58
Here you go:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?272-Viagra-amp-other-Performance-Enhancements

Info right on this site

JBoogs1977
12-15-12, 07:37
I had a thought of meeting Hazel, she advertised a CBJ (blow&go) for. 50; when I called she said it would be. 60 for a BBBJTC. I figured it was a great deal and put my donation on the dresser by the TV. Hazel mentioned that she is flying back to Vegas Monday so I suggest you guys call her today and go see her. Her hotel is behind Fry's Electronic on 48th and Bline.

In my dream Hazel opened the door and greeted me with a hug and even chatted me up for a bit while we watched a movie on her bed. Then I dream t of one of the best BBBJ's I've ever had! Lot's of mouth and hand action, she was even almost able to DT me cock, I'm not bragging but the length and girth can rally put a girl in the hospital with TMJ issues, hahaha. When it was time to cum I simply shot in her mouth and she actually started to stroke and suck at a nice slow pace.

Hit Hazel up, I still think I'm in her fog as we speak!

http://classifieds.myredbook.com/classified.php?adid=379983

Tk212
12-15-12, 22:20
Was wondering if any of you fine mongers here have had any experience with testosterone injections or cremes.

I had a test done and it was about normal for my age but little Bubba seems hesitent as of late for some reason.

Of course I have have tried the blue and yellow pills but they are hit and miss. I am buying them from a guy on Craigslist so maybe they are fakes for all I know.

Have even considered acupuncture. If anyone has any suggestions I'm all ears.

Ol BubbaI started receiving T injections about a year ago. My T level was soo low I was running on fumes. I found a clinic that accepts medicare and almost all insurance programs. This program has been a lifesaver for me in many ways. More energy, more motivation to get things done, more positive attitude, and of course better sexual performance. This clinic supplements with HCG injections what will help prevent atrophy of the male parts resulting from the T injections without any supplements. This place, now 4 in Phoenix and 20 around the country is a miracle for low T. Your load will increase by 50. Contact me privately for more information about the best thing that has happened to me in years. A side beneflit is that I have lost nearly 20 pounds.

Member #4210
12-16-12, 18:51
This clinic supplements with HCG injections what will help prevent atrophy of the male parts resulting from the T injections without any supplements.Please:

Would you mind explaining what HCG is and also the concept of atrophy?

Thanks in Advance

Member #4210
12-16-12, 19:09
Testosterone injections are by far more affordable; however, I prefer avoiding the mood swings by using a topical twice daily.

At first, I was getting one shot a month and it left me nervous as a wet soaking cat for about two days. Later, we divided it into half; two shots a month at half the dosage which really helped.

When my physician told me that Androgel would result in a more even application and with no mood swings, I made the switch. However, I have watched the prices go up over time.

It seems one company bought out all their competition then jacked prices through the roof. Last time I tried to fill over the counter, they wanted $480 for a months supply before tax. That was five years ago.

The global results are fabulous. Keeping weight off. Burning fat. Faster recovery from intense exercise. Joint protection. Improved mood. But the only problem is I am somewhat "between" dosages and when I take it twice a day, I run hot! Sure, it gets it up faster and harder but relief comes sometimes at a price!

You know what I mean. .

It gets a little bothersome at times but I wouldn't have it any other way. :-D.

As far as bragging rights, when I banged the saleswoman who sold me my car, she bragged about me being better than a 32 year old. Hell, I haven't been that young in a long, long time.

Sadly, I think the pro's are spoiling me. When they are hot, they put non-pro's to shame. And most non-pro's won't go the extra mile. With my libido, I am afraid I would scare a non-pro my age off. Pro's are a mixed bag. Sometimes its magic but not often repeatable. That's sad. It seems like the first shot is the best.

Nevin
12-16-12, 20:54
Please:

Would you mind explaining what HCG is and also the concept of atrophy?

Thanks in AdvanceWith any hormone replacement therapy (HRT) there is the tendency for the body to cease producing the hormone in question. Since your body sees that there is a plentiful supply you don't produce it anymore. If this goes on long enough then your body stops producing those hormones altogether. You'll see this with basically any hormone / neurotransmitter.

HGH? Testosterone? Just about anything.

Therefore, before you go the injection / cream route you should explore (with your doctor so you can be tested) what dietary / exercise & supplements you can take first. Often changing diet & lifestyle (increase protein, less fat / sugar. Especially for testosterone) more exercise (especially of the thighs & glutes) & supplements that provide the "building blocks" will enable your body to produce what it is actually able to. Without the risks that are associated with HRT.

As an example. Take seretonin dependent depression (you don't have enough so you get depressed). Some drugs replace seretonin. Others (especially illegal ones like cocaine & meth) supercharge production (and burn out the receptors in the process. Which means you are SCREWED and not in a nice way either). Others affect how fast your body processes it out (SSRIs or St Johns Wort). But 5-HTP is the direct precursor to seretonin production. Thus if that solves your problems it just means you needed more raw materials.

Try increasing protein and water intake first with whey (or similar protein sources. Go to sprouts or whole foods for plant based) before adding in other supplements. This way you can really see what's going on. For a good idea of what your protein requirements are multiply your body weight (in pounds) by anywhere from 0. 6 to 1 (depending upon activity level) and make sure you have that much protein in grams.

I see a HUGE difference when I do this.

Nevin
12-16-12, 20:57
When going "between" try the supplements / protein before adding in anything else.

Be sure that you check with you doc before you add in any additional supplements! Since you're obviously already under a doctor's care the last thing you want is drug interactions!

Newbie80
12-17-12, 07:01
This is going to make me very unpopular here, I'm sure, but I have to throw it out there. How about just laying off the porn? Ever heard of Porn Induced ED?

MrClean2
12-17-12, 12:46
I too have been placed on T, as my level was below the low mark. I was feeling like crap and not wanting to do anything except sit in my chair, heck, I didn't even want to watch TV cause I had to change the remote. I went to DR and explained things to him, the first question was,"do you get morning wood?", I paused and responded,"I can't remember the last time I had morning wood!". He immediately said, I think you're lot on T, got get blood work and come back.

I went, got blood work and was at like 275, I'm not sure what is should be for a person at 49, but that's what it was. Went back to DR and he said, you want T, I said sure! And went to RX shop. Gave insurance and found out that my insurance doesn't cover, but at $100 / vial (200mg / 1ml) , I didn't mind. DR said, shoot up at 1ml every 3 weeks. I did research and foudn that most people that used at that rate had almost zero results, so I did it at 1ml / week, then 2ml / week, then I leveled off at 3ml / week. MAN! Did I feel great and wood every morning. Went back to DR and asked for more and he had questions where all the T went. I explained what I read and why I used more, but he wanted another blood exam just to fin out where I was at. I went, and found that my T had gone through the roof, but I was feeling great. I was at like 1800. DR said, back it down to 1ml / week and lets see where you are at in 1month. After 1month of 1ml / week, I was down to about 1100, DR said, you're good, stay there. I can say I don't feel as good as when I was at 3ml / week, but I still feel good. I ask DR if I could go back to 3ml / week, but he said he'd need a second opinion and if second opinion was ok, then he'd let me.

For now, I'll settle for the 1ml / week, maybe in the next few months I can get second opinion and bump it back up to 3ml. But, only if DR says I can. As mentioned, my insurance won't cover, but I don't' mind $100 / month for the bennie's I'm getting.

I'd like to go find another DR that will prescribe HGH, but don't know if they are out there. I also heard HGC is good, but again, no script, not take.

GreekIslandNew
12-17-12, 21:56
I'd like to go find another DR that will prescribe HGH, but don't know if they are out there. I also heard HGC is good, but again, no script, not take.[/QUOTE]My natural instinct would be to do exactly as you did, increase the dosage. But. I've concluded that I am a terriable doctor! And, internet information may not be accurate, let alone provide thorough analysis of negative consiquences.

I'm guessing that if you start searching you'll find some term for a specialty encompasising what you are looking for. Perhaps fertality clinics can point you in a good direction?

Merry Christmas

Member #4210
12-19-12, 00:55
Can cause polycythemia-too many red blood cells. Anything over 1300 is dangerous.

Why? If it is not corrected, you can develop leukemia!

The treatment for polycythemia is they bleed you. They take your blood and throw it away.

Overuse of T can cause it.

DrPotato
12-19-12, 11:08
So a few years back when I lived in LA a hot Latina pornstar named Mercedes Ashley was running this thing on her website where she would fuck her members, obviously trying to drum up membership on her site. I think the monthly cost to her site was $9. 99 a month.

Basically you would submit you request, and it was a first come first serve deal, and I think she was doing one guy a week. I think I was like in the 20's or 30's in line after the other guys. However what happened is what I assumed would happen, is that most guys pussy out and can't, don't or won't go thru with it. By the second month I had shot up to the first in line, because as she told me, most guys pussy out on her.

I was spiked, she was so fucking hot. She will even come to my place. Now the deal is, she videotapes the session and puts in on her website, but you can wear a mask or ask that they don't film you, and that's what we did.

So the night comes, and I prep myself so it will last as long as possible by having a few drinks and peeling one off 30 minutes before. Now my problem is that I can come really fast ONLY when I paying for it, however I can blow another load every 15 minutes, so peeling one off doesn't do me any good.

When she came over, she had a hot friend who was video taping us. Needless to say I fucked her as much as I could, worshipping her body, ass, pussy and tits in the process before finally blowing my load. Maybe this all listed 20 minutes, with most of it me servcing her. We finished, chatted a few and she left. I waited till she posted our video online, downloaded a copy, then quit my membership. $20 to bang a hot pornstar, much cheaper than the $1500 she was charging at the time for her escort fees. I wonder if any other pornstars are doing the same gimmick on their sites?

Bubba1979
12-19-12, 13:24
First of all, thanks for all the suggestions and info regarding this subject. Just a quick update on Ol Bubba's Testosterone quest.

Found a Doc in Chandler who specializes in this subject de jour. His office visit is. 75 for the consult and. 25 per injection of Bio identical hormone.

In my case I will be taking further tests to rule out high cortisol levels or competing estrogen levels. If these are ok then I will try it.

My concern is that once you start you on, your on it for life as your body stops producing it. I guess that beats walking around with a "broken elephant trunk."

I will continue to update this heinous situation.

BumperDude2
12-20-12, 10:31
This is going to make me very unpopular here, I'm sure, but I have to throw it out there. How about just laying off the porn? Ever heard of Porn Induced ED?Too much self-induced orgasm cn adversely affect ability. Incidentally, this can happen to women as well as men.

GreekIslandNew
12-20-12, 15:59
Glad to see you found a specialist.

Remember that you do not have to get weekly injections. You can take a month off to get your juices rolling again.


First of all, thanks for all the suggestions and info regarding this subject. Just a quick update on Ol Bubba's Testosterone quest.

Found a Doc in Chandler who specializes in this subject de jour. His office visit is. 75 for the consult and. 25 per injection of Bio identical hormone.

In my case I will be taking further tests to rule out high cortisol levels or competing estrogen levels. If these are ok then I will try it.

My concern is that once you start you on, your on it for life as your body stops producing it. I guess that beats walking around with a "broken elephant trunk."

I will continue to update this heinous situation.

Member #4210
12-20-12, 19:15
This fall I vowed I would not post neg but I find I am overly positive and lately EVERY PROVIDER I HAVE ENDORSED AND RECOMMENDED HAS BEEN A BUST!

THERE IS NO PROVIDER I CAN RECOMMEND TO ANYONE!

I try to set up something nice and regular but it almost always goes downhill. I guess that rare and magical experiences and just that-RARE!

1. Recently, I set up regular services but the provider stopped communicating. What made it really strange was her proposal. Without going into details, it was seriously illegal. She wanted to involve me in her defense against criminal charges. I am a witness, however, just like every self-centered pussy out there, she seems to think life is a One Way Street!

After racking my brains, I came up with a perfectly legal solution that fixes her problem and could save her years of prison time! However, involving me in her problem could place me in jeopardy. Since she stopped communicating, it makes it easy for me to let it go.

Anyway, after making me a nice proposal she blows me off and I realize I should never have backed her and posted such positive reports about her including photos. Still, I am not posting neg about her. She still has the same old problems. Then she brings her lesbian partner over (who sleeps out in the car) when she knows I don't want any contact with her! Plus, she is always "sharing personal info" on her clients! She tells me about them; worse yet, I can tell she tells them all about me! Name and everything. After being in this business for more than 12 years, at 30 years of age you'd think she'd tighten up her act!

2. Now, another I made arrangements to see weekly suddenly starts rushing and clock watching and talking non-stop about HER problems. After she spoiled the mood on two back-to-back sessions, I gave her notice she was rushing me and I would not be coming back. This is a seasoned provider in her 50's who should know far better.

What both have in common is they are GREEDY and BOTH ARE VERY LOW IQ! I can't believe how STUPID these girls are! It defies common sense.

Indeed, it's enough to make me give up.

Now, I am reading about all these fakes, upsells and pimps.

So, I conclude it is I who must learn the lessons.

Member #4210
12-20-12, 19:19
That's a wild story!

Pictures! Or it never happened!


So a few years back when I lived in LA a hot Latina pornstar named Mercedes Ashley was running this thing on her website where she would fuck her members, obviously trying to drum up membership on her site. I think the monthly cost to her site was $9. 99 a month.

Basically you would submit you request, and it was a first come first serve deal, and I think she was doing one guy a week. I think I was like in the 20's or 30's in line after the other guys. However what happened is what I assumed would happen, is that most guys pussy out and can't, don't or won't go thru with it. By the second month I had shot up to the first in line, because as she told me, most guys pussy out on her.

I was spiked, she was so fucking hot. She will even come to my place. Now the deal is, she videotapes the session and puts in on her website, but you can wear a mask or ask that they don't film you, and that's what we did.

So the night comes, and I prep myself so it will last as long as possible by having a few drinks and peeling one off 30 minutes before. Now my problem is that I can come really fast ONLY when I paying for it, however I can blow another load every 15 minutes, so peeling one off doesn't do me any good.

When she came over, she had a hot friend who was video taping us. Needless to say I fucked her as much as I could, worshipping her body, ass, pussy and tits in the process before finally blowing my load. Maybe this all listed 20 minutes, with most of it me servcing her. We finished, chatted a few and she left. I waited till she posted our video online, downloaded a copy, then quit my membership. $20 to bang a hot pornstar, much cheaper than the $1500 she was charging at the time for her escort fees. I wonder if any other pornstars are doing the same gimmick on their sites?

Desert Rat
12-20-12, 23:46
I posted recently that I found an ad on BP for a woman I know socially and asked the forum for advice. After reading the posts and pondering a little bit I simply decided to take no action. I do admit to pleasuring myself once to her pictures and then moving on to safer providers. With so many fish in the sea of escorts there is no reason to risk something this close to home. I don't know how everyone else keeps themselves safe but I mostly use throw away cell phones to contact providers. After two or three uses I just chuck it and buy a new one. I use a real first name but no last name and never share anything to identify my business or personal life. Loose lips sink ships.

DrPotato
12-21-12, 03:13
That's a wild story!

Pictures! Or it never happened!Ha, there were no pictures, just the video that she put on her site (minus my face) and I downloaded which I deleted after I got married. I gave a copy of all my sexcapade videos to a buddy for safe keeping, then he deleted all his videos when he got married.

Member #4210
12-21-12, 19:49
I posted recently that I found an ad on BP for a woman I know socially and asked the forum for advice. After reading the posts and pondering a little bit I simply decided to take no action.Mind sharing her link?

Member #4210
12-22-12, 13:08
Does she also provide BBFS?Tawny is a hot looking provider who is more PSE than GFE. While Tawny doesn't like kissing, she likes getting very raw and more often than not goes bare back. However, she recently jacked her rates from $$ to $$$$. Nonetheless, it is guaranteed BBFS to completion. She doesn't advertise much and has a female who often schedules her appointments. She is flaky and all about the money until you get behind closed doors. She does this part time as she has a regular job. I think she likes the thrill of taking the risk. BTW, she is over 30 and I heard she is in her prime. Multiples are the rule and she likes to get nasty.

YMMV and you are taking a risk.

http://www.verifiedplaymates.com/Phoenix_AZ/escorts/10016_10010/Hot-sexy-and-ready-to-play.html

http://demo.providerreport.com/?file=pprofile&pro_id=2990&city=32&link=Phoenix-Arizona-reviews-and-escort-profile-for-Tawny-

Okane
12-22-12, 22:52
From my early days of paying $50 and getting almost anything I wanted up to.

Now, where $$.5 seems to get you most gals that are a step or two above Backpage.

Escorts, $$$$$ just seems high to me.

IMHO, an hour of fun better be an experience of a lifetime to pay those rates. Sex is over.

Too fast, even if you can keep it up for 45 min, which is my own personal best, it's over in an hour.

Even my fantasies fulfilled through overnight stays and all night availability have seemed over rated.

Looking back.

One of the reasons I still have cash is because of how I spend it. Value is important to me.

Just my experience. When it's over, I hope I have good memories to look back on for the money.

Okane

Jamesj
12-25-12, 19:14
Just wanted to let my fellow board members know I received a threating (private) message fom the BOZO listed above.

He threatened to post my phone number & license plate (do not think he has them however).

He is outraged that I remind fellow mongers of the restraining order KATIE had to obtain because he attacked her & broke some ribs.

I told him to do what he needed to.

Also sent a report to Jackson.

When will this idiot go away?

JAMESJ

Papa Rotzi
12-25-12, 19:34
I hope I run into ERIN some evening. He sent the same PM to me. Jackson, I've forwarded the PM.


Just wanted to let my fellow board members know I received a threating (private) message fom the BOZO listed above.

He threatened to post my phone number & license plate (do not think he has them however).

He is outraged that I remind fellow mongers of the restraining order KATIE had to obtain because he attacked her & broke some ribs.

I told him to do what he needed to.

Also sent a report to Jackson.

When will this idiot go away?

JAMESJ

Tjinla2001
12-25-12, 23:16
[QUOTE=LostForWords; 1630267]Tawny is a hot looking provider who is more PSE than GFE. While Tawny doesn't like kissing, she likes getting very raw and more often than not goes bare back. However, she recently jacked her rates from $$ to $$$$. Nonetheless, it is guaranteed BBFS to completion. She doesn't advertise much and has a female who often schedules her appointments. She is flaky and all about the money until you get behind closed doors. She does this part time as she has a regular job. I think she likes the thrill of taking the risk. BTW, she is over 30 and I heard she is in her prime. Multiples are the rule and.

Who gets wetter? Tawny or Athena?

AmanteDeLatina
12-26-12, 20:37
Agregar Eryn, vuelve a España. No aterrorizar a nuestras mujeres aquí en Phoenix! Ni siquiera lo intentes para enviar por correo negro me! Usted no sabe mi nombre completo, direccióand, andúmero de teléfono o qué tipo de coche que conduzco mucho menos mi andúmero de la placa!

I now have told him in his native language, hopefully this works!

Member #4210
12-27-12, 12:10
Tasting.

Testing.

Tasting

Member #4210
12-27-12, 19:40
Be advised:

Word has it there are cameras on a favorite trailer in South Scottsdale on McKellips Road near Hayden.

While it does not appear Kristin is working with uncle, she has been busted a few times this year (3-4) and may be trying to work her way out of felony charges!

One thing is for sure. Anyone visiting there since sometime this summer or fall has had their photos taken! Unless you want your face, car and license plates photographed, be aware of the surveillance.

Recently, the Supreme Court ruled it is OK for LE to place cameras on a person's property without a search warrant, without their permission and without their knowledge!

Welcome to the police state.

Jamesj
12-28-12, 05:49
Be advised:

Word has it there are cameras on a favorite trailer in South Scottsdale on McKellips Road near Hayden.

While it does not appear Kristin is working with uncle, she has been busted a few times this year (3-4) and may be trying to work her way out of felony charges!

One thing is for sure. Anyone visiting there since sometime this summer or fall has had their photos taken! Unless you want your face, car and license plates photographed, be aware of the surveillance.

Recently, the Supreme Court ruled it is OK for LE to place cameras on a person's property without a search warrant, without their permission and without their knowledge!

Welcome to the police state.This report is very strange to say the least (as is the author). See several previous post. (test, texting etc. WTF is that?)

Capt Savaho is listed with 160 plus reports, but this site wiil only go back 3 or 4 on him.

When I checked mine & other TRUSTED mongers, it goes back to numerous pages of previous reports.

HOW can she be working out a deal on FELONY charges, if she does not know the camera is there?

While I have never visited Kristin, sounds like someone is trying to destroy her business.

I'm not buying this BS!

Except for the correct grammer, I'd think this is INTRANCE / ESSENTIAL ONE trying to pull a slight of hand. (LOL)

Be safe & happy hunting.

JAMESJ.

Member #4210
12-29-12, 11:41
Outcall may be the only solution.

Krissy herself told me she took extreme counter measures (which I will not divulge) to avoid the police but she determined they were watching her and popped her last month.

Maybe she's paranoid and / or using, but go ahead James go over.


This report is very strange to say the least (as is the author). See several previous post. (test, texting etc. WTF is that?)

Capt Savaho is listed with 160 plus reports, but this site wiil only go back 3 or 4 on him.

When I checked mine & other TRUSTED mongers, it goes back to numerous pages of previous reports.

HOW can she be working out a deal on FELONY charges, if she does not know the camera is there?

While I have never visited Kristin, sounds like someone is trying to destroy her business.

I'm not buying this BS!

Except for the correct grammer, I'd think this is INTRANCE / ESSENTIAL ONE trying to pull a slight of hand. (LOL)

Be safe & happy hunting.

JAMESJ.

Jamesj
12-29-12, 12:33
Outcall may be the only solution.

Krissy herself told me she took extreme counter measures (which I will not divulge) to avoid the police but she determined they were watching her and popped her last month.

Maybe she's paranoid and / or using, but go ahead James go over.CAPT. SAVAHO, what was your screen name for your 1st 160 post?

I never said I was wanting to visit her.

Have you visited her & do you have 1st hand knowledge of "cameras"?

Just seems odd U changed your screen name, then had all the "inside" info on this provider.

JAMESJ

JWoo9
12-29-12, 14:14
CAPT. SAVAHO, what was your screen name for your 1st 160 post?

I never said I was wanting to visit her.

Have you visited her & do you have 1st hand knowledge of "cameras"?

Just seems odd U changed your screen name, then had all the "inside" info on this provider.

JAMESJLittle detective work and you find out. See post #880 and #878 in General Reports. Not Intrance / EssentialOne.

Ducks
12-29-12, 16:55
I know a few of ya enjoyed Yoshi's talents, look up Atlantas finest, or type in Dana, her new handle.

GameBird
12-30-12, 07:53
Cheryl is off the streets! But still not going on BP. It's mostly repeat customers and word of mouth referrals. She tries to stay UTR.

Without a doubt Cheryl offers the fullest menu for one-on-ones including the back door. What she calls GFE might start that way but quickly rolls into Full PSE!

There is not an ounce of fat on her body. She is strong and offers a banging time-if you can handle her. .

This petite spinner with a near perfect ass enjoys this as much as us or more! Her attitude is about the best! She is direct and she is brighter than most. She is candid and freshing and doesn't put on any airs.

Not a clock watcher and doesn't fake anything. She is real. She loves to be touched and is a cross between the GND and a MILF combining the Best Parts of Both! A mature yet youthful provider. She puts younger and older girls to shame.

Cheryl has a new incall that is private with good parking in a safe location. She has made great effort to improve her communications. She responds best to email and to texts.

Her rates are among the best and she is willing to work with you and your budget. Incall, Outcall, Car Dates. Oral. 40 BBBJCIM DT. FS. 80. FH $.20. Overnight $$$$$.

Cheryl's kissing is great. LFK gives way quickly to DFK. She is clean and she likes anal. She likes it all.

Her Oral Skills are incredible. Lots of attention to the boys, plenty of spit and eye contact. She is flexible and intiates a lot of position changes.

A real energizer bunny! But no batteries; she never wears down.

little1az@yahoo.com

Text 623-336-2513.

215169

215170

215171

215172Is that her email?

Denton
12-30-12, 11:09
CAPT. SAVAHO, what was your screen name for your 1st 160 post?This appears to be the person who was most recently posting as "LostforWords".

Tjinla2001
01-01-13, 11:14
Yes that is her email. She is at budget inn. She is hurting for money

DrPotato
01-03-13, 20:49
Cheryl is off the streets! But still not going on BP. It's mostly repeat customers and word of mouth referrals. She tries to stay UTR.

Without a doubt Cheryl offers the fullest menu for one-on-ones including the back door. What she calls GFE might start that way but quickly rolls into Full PSE!

There is not an ounce of fat on her body. She is strong and offers a banging time-if you can handle her. .

little1az@yahoo.com

Text 623-336-2513.Ok so I texted the number you provided here and said she was highly recommended on a board and got the weirdest response back. Responder says (And I severely cleaned up the spelling) : I don't know why I'm still getting texts for Cheryl. She's a thief she set up a date with you then she robs you beware.

I inquire as to who this person, perhaps the poster was referring to her: They say: No I assure you I'm not I'm one of the ones who got robbed.

Me: Well they posted your number as hers and were raving about her.

They: Thats because they are setting you up beware.

Me: Well its not much of a setup if they are posting some dudes phone number as hers.

They: I'm a lady and she set me up with a couple of guys they Riviera (?) me and said it was from her. This happens 2 days ago and just got out of the hospital.

So I pretty much just left it at that. It still makes no sense. First, whos number is that? Cheryls? Second, this person makes no sense and I'm not even going to try to make any sense out of it my head hurts.

Chilly Willy
01-03-13, 22:49
Sounds like you got Intrance's number!


Ok so I texted the number you provided here and said she was highly recommended on a board and got the weirdest response back. Responder says (And I severely cleaned up the spelling) : I don't know why I'm still getting texts for Cheryl. She's a thief she set up a date with you then she robs you beware.

I inquire as to who this person, perhaps the poster was referring to her: They say: No I assure you I'm not I'm one of the ones who got robbed.

Me: Well they posted your number as hers and were raving about her.

They: Thats because they are setting you up beware.

Me: Well its not much of a setup if they are posting some dudes phone number as hers.

They: I'm a lady and she set me up with a couple of guys they Riviera (?) me and said it was from her. This happens 2 days ago and just got out of the hospital.

So I pretty much just left it at that. It still makes no sense. First, whos number is that? Cheryls? Second, this person makes no sense and I'm not even going to try to make any sense out of it my head hurts.

Jerry8
01-04-13, 00:58
Ok so I texted the number you provided here and said she was highly recommended on a board and got the weirdest response back. Responder says (And I severely cleaned up the spelling) : I don't know why I'm still getting texts for Cheryl. She's a thief she set up a date with you then she robs you beware.

I inquire as to who this person, perhaps the poster was referring to her: They say: No I assure you I'm not I'm one of the ones who got robbed.

Me: Well they posted your number as hers and were raving about her.

They: Thats because they are setting you up beware.

Me: Well its not much of a setup if they are posting some dudes phone number as hers.

They: I'm a lady and she set me up with a couple of guys they Riviera (?) me and said it was from her. This happens 2 days ago and just got out of the hospital.

So I pretty much just left it at that. It still makes no sense. First, whos number is that? Cheryls? Second, this person makes no sense and I'm not even going to try to make any sense out of it my head hurts.Thats the number for someone called "Shadow". Supposedly who Cheryl was living with about a month ago. Don't know if its a male or female. Everything with Cherly really smells bad lately. She sent me some emails telling me she never really ripped me off. She just got sick that night and ran out the back door with her management team. LOL. Buyer beware.

Jerry8
01-05-13, 21:39
Chery sent me and a bunch of others her "new and improved" rates. If anyone wants a copy send me a PM. Need to contact her by email. Guess she ran out of quarters for her phone. LOL

Tjinla2001
01-06-13, 13:22
Chery sent me and a bunch of others her "new and improved" rates. If anyone wants a copy send me a PM. Need to contact her by email. Guess she ran out of quarters for her phone. LOLIt is a shame. I had a bunch of money for Cheryl but I got no response. She would have had a enough party favors to last at least a couple of hours.

Mister Purple
01-10-13, 09:12
I have over 400 posts in the last 2 or 3 years that I've been here on the boards, but I looked for something I wrote about a few months ago and found that all of my previous posts are gone! This is the first time this has happened to me. Is this something that Jackson does every now and then to clean up space? Has this happened to anyone else? Anyone know why / how this happened?For what it's worth, this issue seems to be fixed now. It is nice to be able to search reports again.

Bubba1979
01-11-13, 13:24
Well. Ol Bubba did some more tests that ruled out everything else so I went ahead with the Bio identical hormone shot. I have also been seeing a chiropractor simultaneously for lower back problems.

Long story short, the appendage has "sprung" back into action and my usual morning stiffness has also gotten better. At this point I'm not sure if it is the shots or the chiropractor.

The shots are very affordable at only $25 once a week. The Doc recommends a 6 week run to find out how it works. So far so good.

To be continued.

Member #4210
01-11-13, 23:39
Well. Ol Bubba did some more tests that ruled out everything else so I went ahead with the Bio identical hormone shot. I have also been seeing a chiropractor simultaneously for lower back problems.

Long story short, the appendage has "sprung" back into action and my usual morning stiffness has also gotten better. At this point I'm not sure if it is the shots or the chiropractor.

The shots are very affordable at only $25 once a week. The Doc recommends a 6 week run to find out how it works. So far so good.

To be continued.Probably the right move. Next I would recommend a program of exercise and nutrition. Any body fat suppresses the body's own natural ability to produce testosterone.

Now, how's the performance?

And how's your budget?

Your increased libido might be far more expensive than you expected!

Crutch
01-12-13, 08:56
Well. Ol Bubba did some more tests that ruled out everything else so I went ahead with the Bio identical hormone shot. I have also been seeing a chiropractor simultaneously for lower back problems.

Long story short, the appendage has "sprung" back into action and my usual morning stiffness has also gotten better. At this point I'm not sure if it is the shots or the chiropractor.

The shots are very affordable at only $25 once a week. The Doc recommends a 6 week run to find out how it works. So far so good.

To be continued.Went through some testosterone "therapy" several years ago and got a real boost in the libido. Hope your luck is as good as mine was.

Member #4210
01-13-13, 19:53
I saw Kristin this morning. She is desperate for work. Apparently, the sugar baby thing and all aren't working out too great.

She said she wanted me to post that she is now doing anal. Just 40 more and she assures it will be intense! She really orgasms fast going Greek.

She loves seeing her old clients and she is seeking new clients.

While she is seeking a Sugar Daddy, she is open to anything and EVERYthing is on the menu. From blow and go BBBJCIM to quick FS visits to half nighters and all nighters.

Apparently, Kristin is going through strange times since she cleaned up. Her skin and hair are very soft. She is just lovely! And modelesque at almost 5'8". She is hard bodied and tight!

Kristin really wants to see old clients and says she has more FUn with them but she has changed her phone number so many times, she's lost touch with her old regulars. She assures former clients they will have an f'ing good time!!!

For those who don't know Kristin, she's been at this for at least a dozen years. She charges the same for incall as outcall. I'd recommend avoiding her trailer because of le knowing and watching her.

She is often broke and runs out of phone minutes but will respond to text messages.

PM me for her number.

IloveBoooobs2
01-16-13, 12:38
Hello friends. I'm here in Casa Grande and I'm looking for some friends.

Anyone know where I can look here.

Dsprdo
01-20-13, 11:13
There has been some good discussion about girls from Craigslist W4M, I was wondering if anyone has tried fishing on any of the "Sugar Daddy" websites. Seems like it might be another utr kind of place to check out. I am thinking of giving it a whirl, any history or tips out there?

Jerry8
01-20-13, 12:08
There has been some good discussion about girls from Craigslist W4M, I was wondering if anyone has tried fishing on any of the "Sugar Daddy" websites. Seems like it might be another utr kind of place to check out. I am thinking of giving it a whirl, any history or tips out there?When you sign up for the "free registration" your going to be buried with emails from women who are interested. But you need to "upgrade" to email or reply to them. Your going to be charged about $29 a month on a CC, and its ongoing unless you cancel. They make it very difficult to cancel. May take a few months. \And it seems the emails disappear after you "upgrade". Remember. If it seems to good to be true. It usually is.

Papa Rotzi
01-20-13, 14:09
I'm hoping that I am not in violation here by posting the name, as this site in no way competes with this site. No reviews, etc. Just a paid site to meet ladies as sugar babies. Seeking Arrangements does NOT re-bill automatically. You pay for 30 days (or 6 months or a year) and that's it. I've met some nice ladies via this site, although you WILL pay more and they are looking for an ongoing situation, so your budget better be appropriate for this type of mongering. Just sayin. It's there, available and works.


When you sign up for the "free registration" your going to be buried with emails from women who are interested. But you need to "upgrade" to email or reply to them. Your going to be charged about $29 a month on a CC, and its ongoing unless you cancel. They make it very difficult to cancel. May take a few months. \And it seems the emails disappear after you "upgrade". Remember. If it seems to good to be true. It usually is.

Crutch
01-20-13, 19:37
When you sign up for the "free registration" your going to be buried with emails from women who are interested. But you need to "upgrade" to email or reply to them. Your going to be charged about $29 a month on a CC, and its ongoing unless you cancel. They make it very difficult to cancel. May take a few months. \And it seems the emails disappear after you "upgrade". Remember. If it seems to good to be true. It usually is.You are absolutely correct about the "upgrade" etc. I'm still trying to cancel one and it's been six weeks.

Member #4354
01-20-13, 21:50
When you sign up for the "free registration" your going to be buried with emails from women who are interested. But you need to "upgrade" to email or reply to them. Your going to be charged about $29 a month on a CC, and its ongoing unless you cancel. They make it very difficult to cancel. May take a few months. \And it seems the emails disappear after you "upgrade". Remember. If it seems to good to be true. It usually is.On sites like those that make it hard to cancel, just call your CC company and tell them you lost your card and send out a new one. They will not be able to get anymore payments out of you. I use CC's that don't have any other automatic payments on those cards.

Papa Rotzi
01-21-13, 00:11
I saved screen shots of their "policies and promises" and also my messages and emails. I called my bank and disputed the charge (supposedly 30 days free; I cancelled after 2 weeks) and they reversed it and credited my account. BUT. I kept great records of what I did and when (can't dispute screen shots [dates / times] off THEIR website when I message them). Good Luck!


You are absolutely correct about the "upgrade" etc. I'm still trying to cancel one and it's been six weeks.

Roadwarrior98
01-24-13, 23:14
Any more services besides house cleaning?

Hobbymaster
01-25-13, 16:37
I saw Kristin this morning. She is desperate for work. Apparently, the sugar baby thing and all aren't working out too great.

She said she wanted me to post that she is now doing anal. Just 40 more and she assures it will be intense! She really orgasms fast going Greek.

She loves seeing her old clients and she is seeking new clients.

While she is seeking a Sugar Daddy, she is open to anything and EVERYthing is on the menu. From blow and go BBBJCIM to quick FS visits to half nighters and all nighters.

Apparently, Kristin is going through strange times since she cleaned up. Her skin and hair are very soft. She is just lovely! And modelesque at almost 5'8". She is hard bodied and tight!

Kristin really wants to see old clients and says she has more FUn with them but she has changed her phone number so many times, she's lost touch with her old regulars. She assures former clients they will have an f'ing good time!

For those who don't know Kristin, she's been at this for at least a dozen years. She charges the same for incall as outcall. I'd recommend avoiding her trailer because of le knowing and watching her.

She is often broke and runs out of phone minutes but will respond to text messages.

PM me for her number.Any pics of her, and is she still in the south scottsdale north tempe area.

I have trouble sending PM's or forgot how to do it.

Thanks

DavePHX
01-29-13, 19:32
Great Radio Legal Discussion. Ongoing.

Using Lawrence v Texas, later 5th Circuit case etc and sharing of many approaches to challenging the prostitution laws as well as the unique Rhode Island situation.

Lawyer Laurence J. Cohen, Esq. Was very good especially reacting to my many comments. Gina (Bella of COYETE-RI who I have had tons of e-mail discussions with) and Maxine (from 4. 5 hour meeting in my home leading up the Calf / 9th Circuit approach) and myself were so fast talking we almost overwhelmed the host Charlie. He never got to his Initiative so will be continued on Wednesday 1PM our time. Charlie really did great with the fast discussion of the 4 of us.

The 77 minutes went very fast and after some general topics by the 'gals". I haven't dared hear myself yet, but I called in after maybe 20 minutes and the discussion really got going. Charlie kept wanting me to introduce myself but never got to that with all the legal discussion, so at the end I was just the mystery guest caller.

I have concerns how the Charlie Spice Initiative / lawsuit is going to work, involves some media attention (supposedly a good CNN contact) and some think raising $100K+ for legal fees will not be a problem. I am skeptical but hopeful.

The attorney who won in the 5th Circuit and other cases has agreed to be a future guest as well as some other notable sexwork related attorney's supporting the ideas of the current proposed court battle challenging the constitutionality of the prostitution laws for in private consenting adults.

The goal is for the broadcasts open to all with be a uniting rallying point for organization and support from sexworkers, advocates and all interested trying to coordinate a potential legal fight in the USA.

The prior great shows are available to hear and announcement of next show at

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/charliespiceshow

My call in is on the January 28th Episode with the great discussion.

Legal Basis:

Although the US Constitution does not explicitly guarantee the right to privacy, the Supreme Court, and Appeals Courts in a serious of various factual and legal settings, has recognized that the right to privacy, including sexual privacy is a constitutionally protected liberty embodied in the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment. This right has been upheld to restrain the reach of government into personal lives in various settings and there are arguments that it should extend to private consenting adult sexwork.

This is especially a concern in Phoenix with all the felony charges being brought with potentially long prison sentences vs just the 15 days minimum, first offense for only a prostitution misdemeanor

Member #4299
01-31-13, 07:34
I was amazed today to see that the Ashley Madison site is legit?

The site's founder and a female site user were on Dr. Phil?

Papa Rotzi
01-31-13, 16:49
Read ALL of the recent posts on Kristen. She has a crazy jealous boyfriend that carries and is not afraid to but said firearm up against your head. Also there are some posts on her place being monitored by LE. After the recent Massage / other busts (where they spent 2 years watching first) nothing surprises me. Since I really do not want to be a headline story on Fox 10 News, I'm staying away. To me it just ain't worth the risk. Let us know if you see her. And what the latest is. Be safe.


How did you run into her? Tried to m you but it says I can't. Pm me her num I was a reg of hers.

Papa Rotzi
01-31-13, 16:51
I know a few guys that have tried it out and unless you are Brad Pitt or Chris Brown (or maybe Charlie Sheen?) you will be very frustrated. There's probably 1000 guys competing for every girl on the site that says "do me". But it's your money, so good luck and happy hunting!


I was amazed today to see that the Ashley Madison site is legit?

The site's founder and a female site user were on Dr. Phil?

Dirty Old Guy
01-31-13, 18:26
Papa,

The other side of that coin is a friend of mine in Chicago. He travels the US a lot for work and has used Madison for a few years. He swears by it, and has pics (I've seen them and they are the "good" kind;)) of some that he has met and played with.

He's not a real good looking guy, but gets laid regularly by using the site.

Just sayin,

Dirty.


I know a few guys that have tried it out and unless you are Brad Pitt or Chris Brown (or maybe Charlie Sheen?) you will be very frustrated. There's probably 1000 guys competing for every girl on the site that says "do me". But it's your money, so good luck and happy hunting!

BillyO
01-31-13, 22:26
Papa,

The other side of that coin is a friend of mine in Chicago. He travels the US a lot for work and has used Madison for a few years. He swears by it, and has pics (I've seen them and they are the "good" kind.) of some that he has met and played with.

He's not a real good looking guy, but gets laid regularly by using the site.

Just sayin,

Dirty.I've never tried Ashley Madison but I've had good luck using Arrangement Finders.

Az Dude
02-02-13, 01:49
Yeah tried it for a bit. Interesting concept and it 'kinda' worked. Biggest problem is the time investment. They work *really* hard to make all your communication with the gals go through their site. If you can connect quickly and exchange Yahoo Messenger or the same sort of info all the better. Otherwise, you blow through the 'credits' really quickly.

In the end, had 1 solid hookup that went on for a few months. She was going through a divorce and sowing some more wild oats. The other few were just too much work. Schedules didn't align, lots of on / off again sort of stuff.

Found that many of the gals were on the site just to get the feeling of being 'desired' and to do some 'flirting'. That's okay, but again, if I want to put in that kind of effort, then I'll just go on a date with my S. O. .

YMMV