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06-09-06, 10:37
Cops, using the Net, nab five in prostitution ring; prostitutes children placed in foster care


BY MICHAEL FRAZIER
Newsday Staff Writer

June 9, 2006

Millions of online users turn to the popular Craigslist.com Web site in search for a home, tickets or a car, but many also use it to find sex.

Understanding that, Nassau police routinely monitored the site and this week arrested five people accused of using it to advertise prostitution.

Police said they suspect dozens of so-called Johns in recent weeks answered the ads and met for sex at motels in Plainview and Jericho.

"This is an ongoing problem to Nassau County and the metropolitan area ... that the vice squad is attentive to," said Capt. Steven Skrynecki of the Nassau County Vice Squad. "It's a constant battle to keep this under control."

Numerous resident complaints and undercover operations led to the arrests of the five who appeared Thursday in First District Court in Hempstead, authorities said. Police said they all, except a man-and-woman team, acted independently.

Craigslist.com, a site allowing Internet users to peruse and post notices for free, has more than 10 million visitors each month, the site said.

Illegal sex-for-money ads can be found under the site's erotic section. Some are accompanied by lewd or sexually explicit language and pictures.

"We received quite a bit of calls from parents ... and from adults themselves who ... find this to be offensive," Skrynecki said "It's a fine line in promoting prostitution and allowing advertisement."

Craigslist's founder, Craig Newmark, didn't return a call Thursday seeking comment.

On Tuesday, Ebony Gilreath, 21, of Brooklyn, was arrested on a charge of prostitution at a Plainview motel. Shaneesa White, 21, of College Park, Ga., and Keith Cowan, 23, of Riverdale, Ga., were arrested at a Jericho motel.

White had her daughter, 4, with her at the time of her arrest. The child was placed in a Suffolk County foster home, .police said.

When White met customers for sex, she left her daughter alone in the car outside the hotel room, police said. They said Cowan served as White's chauffeur and security guard.

White was charged with prostitution and endangering the welfare of a child. Cowan was charged with promoting .prostitution, endangering the welfare of a child and criminal possession of marijuana.

On Wednesday, police arrested Claudinette Rodriguez, 38, of Miami Beach, and Victoria Finley, 21, of Orlando, Fla., at Plainview motels and charged each of them with prostitution.

Gilreath was released without bond, pending a June 19 court date.

White had a bail set of $2,000 cash or bond. So did Rodriguez.

Cowan was ordered held on a bail of $2,000 bond or $3,000 cash, while Finley's bail was set at $5,000 bond or $2,500 cash.

Craigslist has long been criticized for allowing unmonitored, and in some cases illegal ads, to be posted. Arrests stemming from sex ads posted there are occurring across the country.

Under federal law, Craigslist isn't liable for what appears on its site, said Kurt Opsahl, a staff attorney for the San Francisco, Calif.-based Electronic Frontier Foundation.

Member # 2552
06-25-06, 13:44
'Lotion-application' business exposed as brothel, police arrest owner, prostitutes, customers


By Caitlin Ginley, Court TV Fri Jun 23, 6:11 PM ET

(Court TV) - Police say a body-lotion store in Boca Raton, Fla., offered more services than it advertised.

Located in a nondescript two-story office building, La Place was listed as a "manufacturer representative for cosmetics and/or lotions." But detectives say its advertisements in adult magazines such as "Xcitement" and "Adult Fun 411" feature scantily-clad Asian women and suggest a different kind of operation.

Boca Raton Sgt. Jeff Kelly said police exposed La Place as a brothel, where employees engaged in sexual activities with clients in exchange for money.

La Place's owner, Norman Pyecha, 69, four employees - Elizabeth Bedregal, 33, Jessica Beleno, 31, Sari Anne Johnson, 40, and Carmen Zapata, 31 - were arrested Monday on prostitution-related charges.

In addition, police arrested Alan Angell, 51, after he left La Place and charged him with purchasing the services of a prostitute.

According to reports, police received an anonymous tip last July about the prostitution operation at La Place. Customers would pay $40 to $80 to enter the store and then were taken to a back room, where they were told to "get comfortable."

The caller, who said he used to be a customer, said La Place was run by Pyecha and Thianthong Mung McCollough, who went by "Pam." McCollough would stash used condoms in soda cans to hide evidence in case police arrived.

Kelly said police began careful surveillance of the business and discovered evidence in a Dumpster, including used condoms and empty tubes of body cream.

Police also found torn-up pieces of paper that appeared to be prostitutes' schedules.

Detectives also monitored a Web chat room topic on Independentgirls.com, where some users described the sexual acts they experienced at La Place. One man wrote that he always left La Place with a "huge smile" and recommended a woman there who provided particularly exciting service.

"For any man, this is a must-see," he wrote.

Kelly said prostitution is not a victimless crime and presents a major health issue.

"These women have unprotected sex during the day with multiple partners," he said. "And then the men go home to their wives, significant others, who are really the silent victims."

Police were finally able to crack down on La Place more than a year after the investigation began. Kelly said detectives were simultaneously investigating another "adult massage parlor" down the street.

"When you hit one, the other ones tend to dry up," he said. "The customers get frightened."

Kelly said three other prostitutes employed at La Place and 42 customers will also be charged. He said prostitution tends to decrease when police target the "johns."

"If you take away the demand for these places, there won't be a supply," he said.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ct/20060623/cr_ct/lotionapplicationbusinessexposedasbrothelpolicearrestownerprostitutescustomers;_ylt=AgD_lGy2ad16OT_rOAca1LtvzwcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-

Baltimonger
06-25-06, 14:56
The caller, who said he used to be a customer, said La Place was run by Pyecha and Thianthong Mung McCollough, who went by "Pam." McCollough would stash used condoms in soda cans to hide evidence in case police arrived.

Kelly said police began careful surveillance of the business and discovered evidence in a Dumpster, including used condoms and empty tubes of body cream.


Kelly said prostitution is not a victimless crime and presents a major health issue.

"These women have unprotected sex during the day with multiple partners," he said. "And then the men go home to their wives, significant others, who are really the silent victims."

Wait a minute! Didn't the story just say the place would stash used condoms in soda cans? Where does the unprotected sex part come into play here?

The wives and SO's would really be victims if their men were so full of pent up sexual tension, they took it out on their women in a violent manner. Why do the always make it seem as though these male customers are always in marriages/LTR's? Some of us aren't. Most of the mongers I've met from this site are not.

Kelly said three other prostitutes employed at La Place and 42 customers will also be charged. He said prostitution tends to decrease when police target the "johns."
42 customers to be charged? Exactly how? Were there 42 customers there when they got raided? Must be one hell of an AMP! Must be some magical little black book they found. AMP's aren't stupid. 1: They won't keep a record of their customers, at least not real names. 2: If they use credit cards as payment, there is a great possibility the company used as the payee is not the AMP itself, but a legit business the AMP is connected to, such as a restaurant. This 42 was thrown out there to scare people.

Baltimonger
06-27-06, 17:58
Senator Wants IRS to Chase After Pimps
By MARY DALRYMPLE, AP Tax Writer

1 hour ago

WASHINGTON - Pimps and sex traffickers could soon find themselves being chased by tax collectors, not just the vice squad.

Sen. Charles Grassley, chairman of the tax-writing Senate Finance Committee, wants the Internal Revenue Service to chase after pimps and sex traffickers with the same fervor it stalked gangster Al Capone for tax evasion.

Grassley, R-Iowa, would hit pimps with fines and lengthy prison sentences for failing to file employment forms and withhold taxes for the women and girls under their command.

The proposal would make certain tax crimes a felony when the money comes from a criminal activity. A one-year prison sentence and $25,000 fine would become a 10-year sentence and $50,000 fine for each employment form that a pimp or sex trafficker fails to file.

Grassley planned to propose the penalties when his panel meets Wednesday.

"The thugs who run these trafficking rings are exploiting society's poorest girls and women for personal gain," Grassley said. "The IRS goes after drug traffickers. It can go after sex traffickers."

Michael Horowitz, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, said the change has the potential to put pimps out of business without difficult trials that require women to testify to abuse and mistreatment.

"We need to simply treat the pimps and massage parlor operators the way we would treat anybody who takes the proceeds of a customer transaction from somebody and then gives a fraction of it back," he said.

Under tax law, that relationship makes the pimp an employer, requiring the filing of a wage statement and the withholding of payroll taxes, including Social Security.

Grassley envisions creating an office inside the Internal Revenue Service to prosecute sex traffickers for violating tax laws. The office would get $2 million to get started, and it would be allowed to keep a portion of the taxes it collects.

The IRS work is intended to build on efforts under way to curb worldwide trafficking. The Justice Department, collaborating with U.S. attorneys offices nationwide, would identify pimps and sex traffickers and refer them to the IRS.

Grassley also wants to change the IRS whistleblower program to allow the girls and women to participate.

If the IRS goes after pimps and sex traffickers for tax offenses now, it conducts lengthy audits of their lifestyles in order to estimate their incomes from illegal activities and determine taxes due.

Hizark21
10-02-06, 20:48
There seems to be a lot of confusion about decoy and stings. There is nothing wrong with stopping for a sw so long as you don't negotiate with her outside of the car. But one should not use term "date", because this can possibly be used for criminal "intent to solicit" in very rare circumstances. The only other problem is in cities like Oakland where they have a civil "intent to solicit law".

If there is a sw that I am interested in than I will stop for her. It never hurts to check.

Rapid
07-02-07, 20:47
I saw this on CL recently and thought it made sense:
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ENTRAPMENT MYTH ABOUT LE EXPLAINED! - w4m - 35

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Reply to: pers-362268110@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-06-28, 1:03PM EDT


Hey everybody,

I've noticed plenty of debate regarding a certain provider in Bel Air regarding whether or not she is LE, and I've even seen some postings questioning other providers and their status (whether they're LE or not)

Many of you believe that if a provider tells you she is not LE and she turns out to be LE that you can't be arrested because that is entrapment, because the LE lied to you.

THIS IS NOT TRUE.

Entrapment involves coercing you to do something that you normally wouldn't do.

Example:
You: Hi, I'd like to make an appointment to see you. Are you a cop?
Her: No. It's 100 roses.
You: I'll be over at six.
Her: Okay.

You show up, you get arrested. No entrapment here.

No matter what either of you says you are going to get arrested if in fact the "provider" is LE because YOU MADE INITIAL CONTACT.

If she sent you a random email asking you to come and see her, and in subsequent emails she was trying to convince you to see her, then THAT is entrapment, because you can prove that you did not make initial contact and were convinced to do something you never intended to do.

Coming onto CraigsList and sending a reply to anyone on here destroys your protection against claiming entrapment.

Bottom line- if you want to play this game, assume everyone is LE and you have to be prepared to go to jail.

There are no "safeguards". Asking someone if they're LE doesn't protect you.

Make certain you use a condom, and understand that condoms don't protect against genital warts.

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Rapid

RandyOne
09-05-07, 09:55
Not sure how many read this catagory, wish I could post it on all city boards, but do not have the time and besides, Jackson may not appreciate it.

Saw this on the Seattle Review Board and thought it worth sharing here, if you just scan the article, make sure you read the last paragraph:

Heres the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/nyregion/05craigslist.html?hp

Here's the full text for when the link gets taken down in a few days:


September 5, 2007
Law Enforcement Targets Prostitution on Craigslist
By BRUCE LAMBERT

GARDEN CITY, N.Y., Sept. 4 — The eight women visited Long Island this summer along with vacationing families and other business travelers, staying in hotels and motels in commercial strips in middle-class suburbs like East Garden City, Hicksville and Woodbury. Their ages ranged from 20 to 32.

Three had come all the way from the San Francisco Bay area, one from Miami. Two lived less than 60 miles away, in Newark and Elizabeth, N.J. and two even closer, in Brooklyn.

All eight were arrested on prostitution charges here, snared in a new sting operation by the Nassau County police that focuses on Craigslist.org, the ubiquitous Web site best known for its employment and for-sale advertisements but which law enforcement officials say is increasingly also used to trade sex for money.

Nassau County has made more than 70 arrests since it began focusing on Craigslist last year, one of numerous crackdowns by vice squads from Hawaii to New Hampshire that have lately been monitoring the Web site closely, sometimes placing decoy ads to catch would-be customers.

“Craigslist has become the high-tech 42nd Street, where much of the solicitation takes place now,” said Richard McGuire, Nassau’s assistant chief of detectives. “Technology has worked its way into every profession, including the oldest.”

Augmenting traditional surveillance of street walkers, massage parlors, brothels and escort services, investigators are now hunching over computer screens to scroll through provocative cyber-ads in search of solicitors.

In July raids, the sheriff of Cook County, Ill., rounded up 43 women working on the streets — and 60 who advertised on Craigslist. In Seattle, a covert police ad on Craigslist in November resulted in the arrests of 71 men, including a bank officer, a construction worker and a surgeon.

And in Jacksonville, Fla., a single ad the police posted for three days in August netted 33 men, among them a teacher and a firefighter. “We got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hits” in phone calls and e-mail messages, said John P. Hartley, the assistant chief sheriff there.

Sex and the Internet have been intertwined almost since the first Web site, but the authorities say that prostitution is flourishing online as never before. And while prostitutes also advertise on other sites, the police here and across the country say Craigslist is by far the favorite. On one recent day, for example, some 9,000 listings were added to the site’s “Erotic Services” category in the New York region alone: Most offered massage and escorts, often hinting at more.

Law enforcement officials have accused Craigslist of enabling prostitution. But the company’s president, Jim Buckmaster, said its 24-member staff cannot patrol the multitude of constantly changing listings — some 20 million per month — and counts on viewers to flag objectionable ads, which are promptly removed.

“We do not want illegal activity on the site,” he said. Asked whether the company supported the police’s placing decoy ads on Craigslist, Mr. Buckmaster said: “We don’t comment on the specifics” of law enforcement.

Craig Newmark, the site’s founder and chairman, deferred all questions to Mr. Buckmaster.

The police have also occasionally turned to Craigslist to trace stolen goods offered for sale or make drug arrests. In June, in Nassau, spotting code words like “snow” or “skiing” to refer to cocaine, they set up a sting with an undercover officer to arrest a man who advertised cocaine for sex.

Experts say that under the federal Communications Decency Act of 1996, the ads are legal and Web site owners are exempt from responsibility for content posted by users. Craigslist, for example, last fall won dismissal of a suit that alleged housing discrimination in ads posted on its Web site. “You hold the speaker liable, not the soapbox,” explained Kurt B. Opsahl, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital civil liberties group based in San Francisco.

While Mr. Buckmaster said Craigslist was no different from old-media publications that have long carried sex-oriented ads, law enforcement officials say its scope and format are especially useful to the sex industry. With listings for some 450 cities around the world, Craigslist claims to have 25 million users and 8 billion page views a month. Posting advertisements, except those in the employment and some housing categories, is free, as is responding to them by e-mail.

“The Internet has allowed people to make contact in a way not possible before,” said Ronald Weitzer, a sociology professor at George Washington University and a researcher on prostitution. “Ten years ago this was not happening at all.”

As Nassau’s district attorney, Kathleen Rice, said of Craigslist: “It’s as easy as it gets.”

Tracy Quan, a member of the advocacy group Prostitutes of New York and author of the autobiographical novel “Diary of a Married Call Girl” (Harper Perennial, 2006), acknowledged that “the Internet became a virtual street for people in the sex industry,” but said that “the police are as inventive and as wily as sex workers are.” She said that the stings amounted to entrapment of consenting adults, and that “it seems like an enormous waste of time resources by authoritarian busybodies.”

The police say that Craigslist has changed prostitution’s patterns, with people roaming the country, setting up shop for a week or two in hotels — often near airports — where they use laptop computers and cellphones to arrange encounters for hundreds of dollars, then moving on to their next location.

“They like to move around, that’s for sure,” said Assistant Chief McGuire. “They’re flying in from out of state because there is money here” on Long Island.

In Westchester County this spring, the police in Greenburgh, Rye, Rye Brook and Elmsford formed a joint task force to investigate ads on Craigslist, resulting in 30 arrests. Some of those arrested were out-of-town prostitutes who booked numerous dates in advance, then whisked in for a busy couple of days, the police said.

In Sandpoint, Idaho, population 8,105, R. Mark Lockwood, the police chief, said that an arrest this summer involving Craigslist “was probably our first prostitution case since World War II.”

Amid the police crackdown, in a game of electronic cat-and-mouse, the authorities say that Web site users who get wind of enforcement sometimes post warnings to thwart investigators.

The Craigslist modus operandi provides mobility, helping prostitutes keep a few steps ahead of the law, law enforcement officials say. It also affords a degree of anonymity — if they are caught, being away from home makes an arrest less embarrassing.

Pimps have also adapted to the computer age, the police say. Among those arrested here in August, on charges of promoting prostitution, was Victor Teixeira, 31, of Mineola. “He was managing the technology of it,” said Assistant Chief McGuire. “He recruited the women on the Internet. He put different ads up sometimes three times day. He would screen the calls and make the appointments.”

Mr. Teixeira pleaded not guilty; he could not be reached for comment.

Most of the arrests are on misdemeanor charges, with convictions resulting in fines of a few hundred dollars; only repeat offenders risk jail time. The real penalties are the disruption of business, the cost of lawyers and the seizures of computers and cash — as much as several thousand dollars at a time. The police say the focus on such misconduct is worthwhile because prostitution is often linked to other crimes involving drugs, weapons, physical abuse and exploitation of minors and immigrants.

Law enforcement officials ask why Craigslist even includes Erotic Services among its 191 categories. Mr. Buckmaster, the company president, said the site created that category “at the request of our users” for legitimate massage, escorts and exotic dancers. In an e-mail interview, he said that the police had praised the company’s cooperation, though he did not give examples.

Despite police complaints that Craigslist facilitates prostitution, some experts say the Web site also aids enforcement.

“Craigslist is a very open site, and it leaves digital footprints,” said Leslie A. Harris, president of the nonprofit Center for Democracy and Technology. “It makes it easier for the police.”

Imagoodguy12
11-04-07, 14:35
I am sure the answer to my question is already well documented on this site somewhere; but please advise on the BEST methods of avoiding an LE sting. Specifically, what are the best approaches to take upon contact with the provider to ensure she is legit.

Yes, this question is very common, but i am quite sure many newbies to your site would love all the advice they can get.

TY

GravelPath
11-19-07, 16:42
I am sure the answer to my question is already well documented on this site somewhere; but please advise on the BEST methods of avoiding an LE sting. Specifically, what are the best approaches to take upon contact with the provider to ensure she is legit.

Yes, this question is very common, but i am quite sure many newbies to your site would love all the advice they can get.

TYDon't visit?

Sorry, but you're taking a chance if you go. Live with it.

Pb500
11-19-07, 18:56
One method that I use to avoid an LE sting and verify that the provider that I am interested in contacting is legitimate is search this site and other sites for reviews of the provider. If the provider does not have any reviews I do not go.

Dean Whitman
04-22-08, 23:47
Here's a good website for CA sex laws.

From what I understand, there has to be a verbal agreement of sex for money between the people, and then the exchange of money for there to be an arrest. Would I be correct?

I also remember from hidden camera reports in hotels that approaching the undercover cop will get you arrested.

If this is so, could a person theoretically walk in and out as long as there is no verbal agreement to sex?

We should get this forum more active and place it in specific state areas.

Bbennett
05-02-08, 04:04
Here's a good website for CA sex laws.

From what I understand, there has to be a verbal agreement of sex for money between the people, and then the exchange of money for there to be an arrest. Would I be correct?

I also remember from hidden camera reports in hotels that approaching the undercover cop will get you arrested.

If this is so, could a person theoretically walk in and out as long as there is no verbal agreement to sex?

We should get this forum more active and place it in specific state areas.The law in California is simple, there has to be an agreement of sex for money. The money does not necessarily have to change hands, though they generally like to see this happen. The laws seem to be similar in other states, however, I would advise doing some more research on this to be certain.

If I were to approach someone, wherever, I would be very careful about agreeing to sex for money. You may want to save this part of the conversation until you have had a chance to check out the goods. An undercover will never expose themselves to you, or touch your goods. Ask them before discussing money to see their tits. If they refuse, move on quickly.

This has been an obstacle in busting some massage establishments. Legislation was passed in Texas a year or so ago allowing UC's to enter massage establishments and completely disrobe. Last I heard in the Dallas area, the mamasans were doing a 2 second BBBJ on customers as a test. I am not sure what happened to this law in Texas. It would likely face challenges in the courts before it could be implemented.

If you were ever caught up in a sting, NEVER admit anything. The cop will tell you (or hint) that you will be in more trouble if you do not come clean. Do not listen to this. I have seen people on TV get caught in the act and admit nothing. An angry cop then admits they have to let them go. You have a 5th ammendment right against incriminating yourself.

Bbennett
05-02-08, 04:08
I am sure the answer to my question is already well documented on this site somewhere; but please advise on the BEST methods of avoiding an LE sting. Specifically, what are the best approaches to take upon contact with the provider to ensure she is legit.

Yes, this question is very common, but i am quite sure many newbies to your site would love all the advice they can get.

TYFirst hand example. I am with a provider in a massage parlor. The talk turns to $ and I do not acknowledge. I ask to see her tits. These girls should not be shy. Anyway, she quickly takes off her dress and is buck naked in front of me. No cop will get naked or expose bare breasts/snatch.

Another example at a massage establishment. After a weak 5 minute massage, I am asked to roll over, which I do. My johnson is hanging out and she grabs it and we discuss money. No cop will touch your goods.

Dakota Guy
08-09-08, 00:43
The law in California is simple, there has to be an agreement of sex for money. The money does not necessarily have to change hands, though they generally like to see this happen. The laws seem to be similar in other states, however, I would advise doing some more research on this to be certain.

If I were to approach someone, wherever, I would be very careful about agreeing to sex for money. You may want to save this part of the conversation until you have had a chance to check out the goods. An undercover will never expose themselves to you, or touch your goods. Ask them before discussing money to see their tits. If they refuse, move on quickly.

This has been an obstacle in busting some massage establishments. Legislation was passed in Texas a year or so ago allowing UC's to enter massage establishments and completely disrobe. Last I heard in the Dallas area, the mamasans were doing a 2 second BBBJ on customers as a test. I am not sure what happened to this law in Texas. It would likely face challenges in the courts before it could be implemented.

If you were ever caught up in a sting, NEVER admit anything. The cop will tell you (or hint) that you will be in more trouble if you do not come clean. Do not listen to this. I have seen people on TV get caught in the act and admit nothing. An angry cop then admits they have to let them go. You have a 5th ammendment right against incriminating yourself.

I know it's customary to touch each others goods before talking about price and or services. But... could you get arrested for touching them or exposing yourself to them? Personally, I always have the window down and ask if they want a ride. I then make small talk about the weather, etc. If they ask what I'm looking for before the cop check I usually say I'm from out of town and just driving around. I will always ask if they are a cop and then politely ask if I am touch them. About 75% of the girls at that point will then grab me back in return, the other 25% I'll ask them to touch me. But I always ask and I never flash or grab for them without asking.

Another point... if you use your right to remain silent is there a greater chance they will at least haul you in to jail? I've been lucky enough all these years to never have been pulled over but I suppose it will happen one day.

Hizark21
08-09-08, 05:09
When picking up a SW always ask them to get in first and drive at least a block away before doing the check. If you ask to feel them while parked you can get busted for lewd conduct in a public place. After a SW get's in I ask them if I can grab or feel them. This way you are making a generic statement without mentioning sex. Do not mention any sex act and or money before doing the check.

Bbennett
10-08-08, 12:30
I know it's customary to touch each others goods before talking about price and or services. But... could you get arrested for touching them or exposing yourself to them? Personally, I always have the window down and ask if they want a ride. I then make small talk about the weather, etc. If they ask what I'm looking for before the cop check I usually say I'm from out of town and just driving around. I will always ask if they are a cop and then politely ask if I am touch them. About 75% of the girls at that point will then grab me back in return, the other 25% I'll ask them to touch me. But I always ask and I never flash or grab for them without asking.

Another point... if you use your right to remain silent is there a greater chance they will at least haul you in to jail? I've been lucky enough all these years to never have been pulled over but I suppose it will happen one day.Follow the below advice on touching. I would never touch without asking. Just seeing is enough though. Say, "Can I see your tits? " That will suffice. LE will not show your their ta-ta's plain and simple.

As for asking if they are a cop. This is 100% pointless. A cop can and will say no. They are allowed to do this, it has been argued in the courts long ago. So, do not bother to ask.

As far as remaining silent, if they have enough to haul you into jail or write you a ticket they will. Be polite but firm. Be respectful. They may get very pissed off. Stay strong and polite but NEVER, NEVER admit anything. LE also often secretly tapes their conversation with you. So, the tape of you admitting to paying some ***** for sex will be played in court.

Pussylicker2
12-18-08, 16:34
I've only used CL a few times, and with the reports I've heard in the news, I'm real leary of using it again. Ok, you answer an ad, you show up, you get arrested. Is there a way to avoid arrest, assuming that LE ran the ad?

I wonder if the old fashioned newspaper ads aren't a better way, LE doesn't seem to worry about newspaper ads.

Radical Guy
02-24-09, 14:46
I am an attorney, with about 20-30 percent of my practice devoted to criminal defense. I would like to comment that, by and large, law enforcement's single best source of evidence comes from the defendant's big mouth AFTER the defendant makes contact with a police officer. Here's a common example.

I had a client who picked up a SW. On the way to his motel room, he was pulled over by the police. One officer took the SW out and questioned her, and the other one questioned my client. The cop told the client that he should "tell the truth" because it would be "best" for him, etc. Etc. The cop also implied that the SW would tell the officers what's going on anyway, so the client may as well "come clean. " Well, my client spilled the beans and stated that, yes, he had offered money for sex, and that they were on the way to a motel to consumate the deal. Based on my client's confession, he was convicted.

Some people believe that if an officer doesn't read you your Miranda rights, then your statements cannot be used against you. WRONG! Miranda applies only to CUSTODIAL interrogations. So, if you are handcuffed in a police car, then the police need to Mirandize you before questioning. But, simply asking questions prior to taking a suspect into custody does not require Miranda warnings for the statements to be admissible. Police are, of course, well trained in intimidation tactics.

So, what should you do? Should you lie and say something like, "Oh, I was just giving her a ride"? Absolutely not! Never lie to a police officer because (1) false statements to LE is generally a crime by itself, and (2) your lie can be used to impeach your credibility and evince a consiousness of guilt. So never, repeat NEVER, lie to a LE officer.

The best thing to do when questioned by an officer is simply say, "With all due respect, officer, I decline to make any statements. " Or, "With all due respect, officer, I am invoking my right to remain silent. " If the cop keeps on asking questions, simply repeat that statement.

People are generally loathe to refuse to answer questions because they think that such a refusal could be construed as an admission of guilt. This is absolutely FALSE! People have a constitutional right to remain silent and refuse to answer LE questions. Thus, if you are arrested, the fact that you refused to answer questions could not even be brought up in court. The prosecuting attorney could not say to a jury, "Obviously, the defendant is guilty because he did not coooperate with police. " No, the prosecution must rely on whatever evidence they have unrelated to any admissions or refusals to talk by the defendant. In the state where I practice, to ensure that the prosecution doesn't even raise this issue, I use a device called a "Motion in Limine" prior to the actual trial (and outside the presence of the jury), wherein I ask the judge to, in essence, order the prosecution to not even make any reference to my client's refusal to answer questions. The judge invariably grants the motion, and the DA is gagged.

In short, making statements to police cannot help you, they can only hurt you. In most of my criminal cases, if my client had only kept his or her mouth shut, the police would not have had enough evidence to make an arrest, let alone obtain a conviction. And as for the threat that the SW will "spill the beans, " I would not worry too much about that (unless she is a LE decoy) because her testimony alone would probably have absolutely no credibility.

If you keep your mouth shut when encountering police, and just politely refuse to answer questions, then police and prosecution will have to rely on other evidence to convict you. Well, at this point, there's nothing you can do about that, although, your attorney may be able to spin it to your favor. However, a defendant's own statements, if legally obtained by LE, are very difficult to refute in court.

Of course, as an attorney, I should point out that the best way to avoid legal problems is to never commit any crimes. With that said, remember to KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!

Bugbear
03-24-09, 22:41
Hi all!

First of all, let me thank you all for a good forum that has provided me with much good information so far. It could be more lively, but I guess there are many like me - lurkers.

I have been looking at Craigslist for a while now, and see that lots of providers advertise there. This is to a much lesser extent true in Europe. But then again, in most countries advertising is legal, so there are other arenas for it I guess. I have not acted on my "desire" to contact anyone there so far. But I was wondering if anyone could give me some tips on how to avoid being set up by LE through Craigslist. I know there are some tricks to street mongering. How do you filter out LE online?

Hell On Wls
04-03-09, 11:42
I just posted this on the Nevada Board but feel all should know and be careful. HH


CARSON CITY (AP) — Nevada legislators were urged Wednesday to impose civil penalties of up to $1 million, in addition to any criminal charges, on sex traffickers who lure or force children into prostitution.

Assemblyman John Hambrick, R-Las Vegas, said his AB380 would allow for a $100, 000 penalty if offenders traffic in prostitutes 14 to 17 years old, a $500, 000 penalty if the child is less than 14, and a $1 million fine if the offender is part of a conspiracy to prostitute children.

Hambrick told the Assembly Judiciary Committee that his bill, whose co-sponsors include Judiciary Chairman Bernie Anderson, D-Sparks, also would enable authorities to freeze and eventually seize assets of those involved in child prostitution.

"We’re talking about potentially millions of dollars in this industry, and I want to have the courts to have the capability to freeze these assets, " Hambrick said.

Hambrick said the big fines would be used to help the victimized children, and to help cover costs of prosecuting traffickers who have the money to hire high-powered lawyers.

For those involved in prostitution rings, "going to jail is a cost of doing business, " Hambrick said. "When you start going after their pocketbooks, they will be reacting a little differently. "

The civil fines are "staggering" but are warranted given the "horrendous" amount of organized child prostitution in southern Nevada, he added.

Also backing the bill was Dr. Lois Lee, head of Los Angeles-based Children of the Night which helps children victimized by prostitution, who said Nevada lacks similar programs.

Joe Murrin of Las Vegas told lawmakers that Lee’s organization helped his daughter get away from prostitution that began when she was a minor, adding, "Laws need to be stiffened. These are not victimless crimes. "

Las Vegas Metro Police Sgt. Vic Vigna said Las Vegas has been identified by the FBI as one of 14 cities around the country with high rates of child prostitution. He said Metro vice officers handled 150 cases of child prostitution last year and already have more than 50 so far this year.

Vigna termed the bill "an obvious and positive step in the right direction, " adding, "And although the civil penalties seem staggering, the amount of money that these panderers are generating is even more staggering. " He noted one trafficker arrested by Metro officers had $400, 000 in cash.

Also backing the bill was Susan Roske, a chief deputy Clark County public defender who works with youths arrested for prostitution and described them as victims "forced into modern-day slavery" by abusive pimps.

"It’s easy to label these children as ****** or prostitutes, " Roske said, adding, "But these children are not responsible for their circumstances and I urge you to see them as they truly are, abused and traumatized children. "

Pussylicker2
04-08-09, 20:08
In short, making statements to police cannot help you, they can only hurt you. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!

This should be the FIRST rule of all mongering.

Northsideman
04-21-09, 15:40
At an MP I used to frequent (until it shut down last fall) the women always asked me to put the cash into a basket on a table, never directly into their hands. Another MP asked for the cash to be put into a leather folder or wallet, and placed on a table.

Were they trying to circumvent some law? I'm assuming this little ritual had some purpose or they wouldn't have bothered to do it.

Member #4236
05-02-09, 16:36
Below is another post (original RB post: massageman2020 from myredbook.com)

Ten Things NOT to do If Arrested:

I have been practicing criminal law for 24 years and have seen a wide variety of reactions by people who are being arrested. Some of these reactions are unwise but understandable. Others are self defeating to the point of being bizarre. No one plans to be arrested, but it might help to think just once about what you will do and not do if you ever hear the phrase "Put your hands behind you." The simplest "to do" rule is to do what you are told. Simple, but somehow it often escapes someone who is either scared or intoxicated. More important to guarding your rights and interests are ten things you SHOULD NOT do:

1. Don't try to convince the officer of your innocence. It's useless. He or she only needs "probable cause" to believe you have committed a crime in order to arrest you. He does not decide your guilt and he actually doesn't care if you are innocent or not. It is the job of the judge or jury to free you if he is wrong. If you feel that urge to convince him he's made a mistake, remember the overwhelming probability that instead you will say at least one thing that will hurt your case, perhaps even fatally. It is smarter to save your defense for your lawyer.

2. Don't run. It's highly unlikely a suspect could outrun ten radio cars converging on a block in mere seconds. I saw a case where a passenger being driven home by a drunk friend bolted and ran. Why? It was the driver they wanted, and she needlessly risked injury in a forceful arrest. Even worse, the police might have suspected she ran because she had a gun, perhaps making them too quick to draw their own firearms. Most police will just arrest a runner, but there are some who will be mad they had to work so hard and injure the suspect unnecessarily.

3. Keep quiet. My hardest cases to defend are those where the suspect got very talkative. Incredibly, many will start babbling without the police having asked a single question. My most vivid memory of this problem was the armed robbery suspect who blurted to police: "How could the guy identify me? The robbers were wearing masks." To which the police smiled and responded, "Oh? Were they?" Judges and juries will discount or ignore what a suspect says that helps him, but give great weight to anything that seems to hurt him. In 24 years of criminal practice, I could count on one hand the number of times a suspect was released because of what he told the police after they arrested him.

4. Don't give permission to search anywhere. If they ask, it probably means they don't believe they have the right to search and need your consent. If you are ordered to hand over your keys, state loudly "You do NOT have my permission to search." If bystanders hear you, whatever the police find may be excluded from evidence later. This is also a good reason not to talk, even if it seems all is lost when they find something incriminating.

5. If the police are searching your car or home, don't look at the places you wish they wouldn't search. Don't react to the search at all, and especially not to questions like "Who does this belong to?"

6. Don't resist arrest. Above all, do not push the police or try to swat their hands away. That would be assaulting an officer and any slight injury to them will turn your minor misdemeanor arrest into a felony. A petty shoplifter can wind up going to state prison that way. Resisting arrest (such as pulling away) is merely a misdemeanor and often the police do not even charge that offense. Obviously, striking an officer can result in serious injury to you as well.

7. Try to resist the temptation to mouth off at the police, even if you have been wrongly arrested. Police have a lot of discretion in what charges are brought. They can change a misdemeanor to a felony, add charges, or even take the trouble to talk directly to the prosecutor and urge him to go hard on you. On the other hand, I have seen a client who was friendly to the police and talked sports and such on the way to the station. They gave him a break. Notice he did not talk about his case, however.

8. Do not believe what the police tell you in order to get you to talk. The law permits them to lie to a suspect in order to get him to make admissions. For example, they will separate two friends who have been arrested and tell the first one that the second one squealed on him. The first one then squeals on the second, though in truth the second one never said anything. An even more common example is telling a suspect that if he talks to the police, "it will go easier." Well, that's sort of true. It will be much easier for the police to prove their case. I can't remember too many cases where the prosecutor gave the defendant an easier deal because he waived his right to silence and confessed.

9. If at home, do not invite the police inside, nor should you "step outside." If the police believe you have committed a felony, they usually need an arrest warrant to go into your home to arrest you. If they ask you to "step outside", you will have solved that problem for them. The correct responses are: "I am comfortable talking right here.", "No, you may not come in.", or "Do you have a warrant to enter or to arrest me in my home?" I am not suggesting that you run. In fact, that is the best way to ensure the harshest punishment later on. But you may not find it so convenient to be arrested Friday night when all the courts and law offices are closed. With an attorney, you can perhaps surrender after bail arrangements are made and spend NO time in custody while your case is pending.

10. If you are arrested outside your home, do not accept any offers to let you go inside to get dressed, change, get a jacket, call your wife, or any other reason. The police will of course escort you inside and then search everywhere they please, again without a warrant. Likewise decline offers to secure your car safely.

That's it: Ten simple rules that will leave as many of your rights intact as possible if you are arrested. How about a short test? You have a fight with your live-in girlfriend and the police come and find you on the sidewalk two houses down from the apartment. The girlfriend points you out and the police arrest you for assault. They tell you they don't intend to question you. They just want your name and address. Do you answer? Well, you shouldn't. Your address is the single most damaging admission you could make. If you admit living with her, you have just converted a misdemeanor assault into a felony punishable by state prison. When you are arrested it is their game, and you don't know the rules. It is best to be silent and let the attorney handle it later. The bottom line is that if the police have enough evidence to arrest, they will. If they don't, you could easily provide that missing evidence by talking.

- - ------ (name omitted here by me)
Attorney at Law.

Earl Pitts
07-26-09, 00:01
Below is another post (original RB post: massageman2020 from myredbook.com)

Ten Things NOT to do If Arrested:

I have been practicing criminal law for 24 years and have seen a wide variety of reactions by people who are being arrested. Some of these reactions are unwise but understandable. Others are self defeating to the point of being bizarre. No one plans to be arrested, but it might help to think just once about what you will do and not do if you ever hear the phrase "Put your hands behind you." The simplest "to do" rule is to do what you are told. Simple, but somehow it often escapes someone who is either scared or intoxicated. More important to guarding your rights and interests are ten things you SHOULD NOT do:

1. Don't try to convince the officer of your innocence. It's useless. He or she only needs "probable cause" to believe you have committed a crime in order to arrest you. He does not decide your guilt and he actually doesn't care if you are innocent or not. It is the job of the judge or jury to free you if he is wrong. If you feel that urge to convince him he's made a mistake, remember the overwhelming probability that instead you will say at least one thing that will hurt your case, perhaps even fatally. It is smarter to save your defense for your lawyer.

2. Don't run. It's highly unlikely a suspect could outrun ten radio cars converging on a block in mere seconds. I saw a case where a passenger being driven home by a drunk friend bolted and ran. Why? It was the driver they wanted, and she needlessly risked injury in a forceful arrest. Even worse, the police might have suspected she ran because she had a gun, perhaps making them too quick to draw their own firearms. Most police will just arrest a runner, but there are some who will be mad they had to work so hard and injure the suspect unnecessarily.

3. Keep quiet. My hardest cases to defend are those where the suspect got very talkative. Incredibly, many will start babbling without the police having asked a single question. My most vivid memory of this problem was the armed robbery suspect who blurted to police: "How could the guy identify me? The robbers were wearing masks." To which the police smiled and responded, "Oh? Were they?" Judges and juries will discount or ignore what a suspect says that helps him, but give great weight to anything that seems to hurt him. In 24 years of criminal practice, I could count on one hand the number of times a suspect was released because of what he told the police after they arrested him.

4. Don't give permission to search anywhere. If they ask, it probably means they don't believe they have the right to search and need your consent. If you are ordered to hand over your keys, state loudly "You do NOT have my permission to search." If bystanders hear you, whatever the police find may be excluded from evidence later. This is also a good reason not to talk, even if it seems all is lost when they find something incriminating.

5. If the police are searching your car or home, don't look at the places you wish they wouldn't search. Don't react to the search at all, and especially not to questions like "Who does this belong to?"

6. Don't resist arrest. Above all, do not push the police or try to swat their hands away. That would be assaulting an officer and any slight injury to them will turn your minor misdemeanor arrest into a felony. A petty shoplifter can wind up going to state prison that way. Resisting arrest (such as pulling away) is merely a misdemeanor and often the police do not even charge that offense. Obviously, striking an officer can result in serious injury to you as well.

7. Try to resist the temptation to mouth off at the police, even if you have been wrongly arrested. Police have a lot of discretion in what charges are brought. They can change a misdemeanor to a felony, add charges, or even take the trouble to talk directly to the prosecutor and urge him to go hard on you. On the other hand, I have seen a client who was friendly to the police and talked sports and such on the way to the station. They gave him a break. Notice he did not talk about his case, however.

8. Do not believe what the police tell you in order to get you to talk. The law permits them to lie to a suspect in order to get him to make admissions. For example, they will separate two friends who have been arrested and tell the first one that the second one squealed on him. The first one then squeals on the second, though in truth the second one never said anything. An even more common example is telling a suspect that if he talks to the police, "it will go easier." Well, that's sort of true. It will be much easier for the police to prove their case. I can't remember too many cases where the prosecutor gave the defendant an easier deal because he waived his right to silence and confessed.

9. If at home, do not invite the police inside, nor should you "step outside." If the police believe you have committed a felony, they usually need an arrest warrant to go into your home to arrest you. If they ask you to "step outside", you will have solved that problem for them. The correct responses are: "I am comfortable talking right here.", "No, you may not come in.", or "Do you have a warrant to enter or to arrest me in my home?" I am not suggesting that you run. In fact, that is the best way to ensure the harshest punishment later on. But you may not find it so convenient to be arrested Friday night when all the courts and law offices are closed. With an attorney, you can perhaps surrender after bail arrangements are made and spend NO time in custody while your case is pending.

10. If you are arrested outside your home, do not accept any offers to let you go inside to get dressed, change, get a jacket, call your wife, or any other reason. The police will of course escort you inside and then search everywhere they please, again without a warrant. Likewise decline offers to secure your car safely.

That's it: Ten simple rules that will leave as many of your rights intact as possible if you are arrested. How about a short test? You have a fight with your live-in girlfriend and the police come and find you on the sidewalk two houses down from the apartment. The girlfriend points you out and the police arrest you for assault. They tell you they don't intend to question you. They just want your name and address. Do you answer? Well, you shouldn't. Your address is the single most damaging admission you could make. If you admit living with her, you have just converted a misdemeanor assault into a felony punishable by state prison. When you are arrested it is their game, and you don't know the rules. It is best to be silent and let the attorney handle it later. The bottom line is that if the police have enough evidence to arrest, they will. If they don't, you could easily provide that missing evidence by talking.

- - ------ (name omitted here by me)
Attorney at Law.I'm not an attorney but I have had some issues with the legal system. I very much appreciated your advice and would only add "Do not represent yourself, get an attorney, its the cheapest way out of trouble". Other than that I think you covered everything.

Dr Nasty
08-03-09, 03:23
At an MP I used to frequent (until it shut down last fall) the women always asked me to put the cash into a basket on a table, never directly into their hands. Another MP asked for the cash to be put into a leather folder or wallet, and placed on a table.

Were they trying to circumvent some law? I'm assuming this little ritual had some purpose or they wouldn't have bothered to do it.Not sure if there are any specific laws they're trying to circumvent or not. I've run into this in various MPs and even from incall girls i.e. "Just put the donation on the dresser!) in several different states. Prostitution laws can vary from city to city and from state to state, as I'm sure you know.

I think that it's really just another misguided attempt to create a paper thin defense. "No your honor, he didn't hand me a dime! He put the money in the basket, I never touched it so I'm not guilty of prostitution!" Right up there with asking a stranger if they're a cop...

Most judges try sex related cases with the "duck law." If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Did they have sex, or was sex offered? Yes. Was there a monetary exchange of some kind? Yes. You're guilty of prostitution, next case bailiff.

The basket thing is as silly as the fabled "cop check" and the "are you a cop?" question. But when it comes right down to it, I figure one should play along for no other reason than it's for the provider's piece of mind.

Mad Monger
03-11-10, 19:32
I have a friend (yes, he really is a friend and not I) who was caught in his car with a SW by LE. It caused me to wonder what might happen if I were in similar circumstances and what I should do.

It was at night. The squad car pulled up suddenly alongside them on a deserted city street and flashed a bright light in the window. She was partially dressed and had her head in his lap for obvious reasons. He had his pants pulled part way down. The cops immediately asked for ID. First they got the SW out of his car and started questioning her. Their first and immediate concerns were if she had any outstanding warrants and whether she was on drugs or had any drugs on her. Fortunately she had no warrants, had no drugs and told the truth that she was in a methadone program and trying to get her life back together. When asked what she was doing, she said she was just trying to make some money to help pay the bills. My friend cringed as this was tantamount to admitting she was having sex for money...was it not? Would a better strategy have been to say something like they had met at a restaurant (agree which one it was beforehand?), hit it off and were just having some fun? (Still public lewdness or some damn thing if they want to press it?) Maybe agreeing in advance on a story to tell in the event you are surprised by LE is a good plan?

Anyway, the police in this instance let the SW go and she walked away. They kept him stewing there while they checked his paperwork. Everything was in order and up to date: license, insurance, registration. My friend had no record for anything in his life, not even an outstanding parking ticket, which I am sure the police soon discovered. But they let him sweat over it for a while before asking him a few questions like was he married and did he have any kids (yes to both questions). They asked accusingly what the hell he thought he was doing and he just shrugged sheepishly. He wasn't about to babble like the SW had. Whether anything would stick or not he certainly didn't want to be arrested and have the circumstances revealed to the wife when he called to arrange an attorney and/or get bail. As it was they said they would let him go "this time," but they didn't want to see him in this area again EVER.

A few questions come to mind:

1. What are some good strategies to plan in advance with a SW to be prepared for this type of situation?

2. Does one have complicit criminal responsibility if the SW has outstanding warrants or has drugs on her person? Suppose she stashes them in your vehicle quickly (and stupidly)?

3. When a SW blabs her head off like that and virtually admits you were having sex for money, what should one do if questioned: disagree? lie? tell the truth and hope for leniency? invoke your right to silence and perhaps piss them off enough to arrest you?

4. IF you both have a story in advance that you are 2 people who met and hit it off and were just having fun, and you stick to the story (which the police probably won't believe anyway), do you risk pissing them off and having them arrest you on some other charge? What charges might those be? (public lewdness or indecency?)

5. I suppose invoking your rights to be silent and not allowing voluntary search are good starts but does one risk pushing the police not to be lenient and just let you go if your record is clean?

6. How much leeway does LE generally exercise in this type of circumstance when your paperwork is in order and you have a squeaky clean record. Is my friend's experience typical or does it really depend on the officers involved and/or where it takes place?

7. Do the police keep a record of the incident and can they use it against my friend on a future occasion to be much less lenient?

Betac
04-17-10, 16:09
How would LE get outcalls?

Are they taking calls and driving around to visit all the hotels.

Must be tough to do.

BC

Borneo
06-14-10, 16:27
By "shamed" I mean followed and harassed, your neighbors contacted about you, etc.

Maybe you drove through an urban area thought to be an area for prostitution.

I'm wondering how common LE uses this practice.

I've had it happen to me. I used to date a girl from the "hood". Apparently that was enough for them to assume I was doing something illegal.

IrishMale
07-25-10, 13:26
I have a friend (yes, he really is a friend and not I) who was caught in his car with a SW by LE. It caused me to wonder what might happen if I were in similar circumstances and what I should do. . .

My friend cringed as this was tantamount to admitting she was having sex for money...was it not? Would a better strategy have been to say something like they had met at a restaurant (agree which one it was beforehand?), hit it off and were just having some fun? (Still public lewdness or some damn thing if they want to press it?) Maybe agreeing in advance on a story to tell in the event you are surprised by LE is a good plan? . . .

A few questions come to mind:

1. What are some good strategies to plan in advance with a SW to be prepared for this type of situation?

2. Does one have complicit criminal responsibility if the SW has outstanding warrants or has drugs on her person? Suppose she stashes them in your vehicle quickly (and stupidly)?

3. When a SW blabs her head off like that and virtually admits you were having sex for money, what should one do if questioned: disagree? lie? tell the truth and hope for leniency? invoke your right to silence and perhaps piss them off enough to arrest you?

4. IF you both have a story in advance that you are 2 people who met and hit it off and were just having fun, and you stick to the story (which the police probably won't believe anyway), do you risk pissing them off and having them arrest you on some other charge? What charges might those be? (public lewdness or indecency?)

5. I suppose invoking your rights to be silent and not allowing voluntary search are good starts but does one risk pushing the police not to be lenient and just let you go if your record is clean?

6. How much leeway does LE generally exercise in this type of circumstance when your paperwork is in order and you have a squeaky clean record. Is my friend's experience typical or does it really depend on the officers involved and/or where it takes place?

7. Do the police keep a record of the incident and can they use it against my friend on a future occasion to be much less lenient?

Any story cooked up in advance would have to be nearly perfect. The obvious reason for separation is to make sure you cannot make up a story before questioning or finese a previously agreed-upon story. A correct answer to one question leads to another question until there is a conflict in stories. Moreover, cops can lie so even with a perfect story it is very likely you will be told the other person said something different - and vice versa.

1. About the only strategy one can hope for in advance is to agree that both will say when asked any question is to say, "I respectfully request an attorney be present before I answer any questions." And agree to keep saying it no matter how much one is intimidated. Problem is, you cannot depend on the other person to keep the promise nor can you depend on the other person not to make a deal at your expense.

2. It is always a risk with SWs when they get into your car. They may already be high, they may have a stash with them, they may even have a weapon. It's a risk you take whenever a stranger enters your home or car. Most states have a provision that they can confiscate your vehicle if there are drugs found in the car. If the SW has warrants it is unlikely you have complicity in any thing she may have done but you risk losing your property if she hides a stash under your seat or in the car door pocket if told to get out of the car.

3. If the SW "blabs" you should already have said you respectfully decline to answer any questions without a lawyer present. And stick to it! A lawyer is going to be the only person on your side in these instances and, even if he or she cannot get you off, he or she is the only person who can negotiate a deal such as a reduced charge without going to court.

4. The story is not a good idea. It's too easy to get caught in a lie and you cannot trust the other person to stick to it, or to not embellish it. Nor can you trust the police not to lie to you or to her. In any event, your charge will probably be soliciting a prostitute or some similar language, depending on the state's statutes.

5. It probably pisses off cops any time a person invokes. However, it is a right that is far too often not used and in many instances ends up in self-incrimination. Understand that the right to remain silent does not require that you be totally innocent, it only requires that you make it clear you will not incriminate yourself. If you waive this right, you very likely end up doing the work for the cops. If you do not waive it, then the cops have to work harder to find enough evidence to get a conviction in court if it does go to court.

6. Your friend was lucky. He may have been stopped by a cop who wasn't committed to racking up the violations, who wasn't aggressive unless someone was being aggressive with him (verbal or physical), and was in a good mood when your freind was stopped. Cops can exercise their judgement in any way they want to but even when they say they want to help you or if you just tell them the truth they will let you go, the chances are you WILL be cited for something, if you help them out by incriminating yourself.

7. Beat cops usually have good recall. Inasmuch as your friend did not receive a citation or a conviction, there isn't a record so if he fails to signal a turn in the next town, or is stopped by another cop for some reason, chances are he won't have a problem because of this situation. However, if he is found by the same cop in a questionable neighborhood or in a questionable situation then it is very likely the cop will remember him. They are taught to observe and many have uncanny memories of cars, places and faces.

Bottom line is if you are engaging with SWs you need to be aware of the risks you are taking and be willing to accept the consequences if caught. Making it easy for the cops or trusting the SW is not in your best interests.

Joseleche
07-25-10, 14:04
Any story cooked up in advance would have to be nearly perfect. The obvious reason for separation is to make sure you cannot make up a story before questioning or finese a previously agreed-upon story. A correct answer to one question leads to another question until there is a conflict in stories. Moreover, cops can lie so even with a perfect story it is very likely you will be told the other person said something different - and vice versa.

1. About the only strategy one can hope for in advance is to agree that both will say when asked any question is to say, "I respectfully request an attorney be present before I answer any questions." And agree to keep saying it no matter how much one is intimidated. Problem is, you cannot depend on the other person to keep the promise nor can you depend on the other person not to make a deal at your expense.

2. It is always a risk with SWs when they get into your car. They may already be high, they may have a stash with them, they may even have a weapon. It's a risk you take whenever a stranger enters your home or car. Most states have a provision that they can confiscate your vehicle if there are drugs found in the car. If the SW has warrants it is unlikely you have complicity in any thing she may have done but you risk losing your property if she hides a stash under your seat or in the car door pocket if told to get out of the car.

3. If the SW "blabs" you should already have said you respectfully decline to answer any questions without a lawyer present. And stick to it! A lawyer is going to be the only person on your side in these instances and, even if he or she cannot get you off, he or she is the only person who can negotiate a deal such as a reduced charge without going to court.

4. The story is not a good idea. It's too easy to get caught in a lie and you cannot trust the other person to stick to it, or to not embellish it. Nor can you trust the police not to lie to you or to her. In any event, your charge will probably be soliciting a prostitute or some similar language, depending on the state's statutes.

5. It probably pisses off cops any time a person invokes. However, it is a right that is far too often not used and in many instances ends up in self-incrimination. Understand that the right to remain silent does not require that you be totally innocent, it only requires that you make it clear you will not incriminate yourself. If you waive this right, you very likely end up doing the work for the cops. If you do not waive it, then the cops have to work harder to find enough evidence to get a conviction in court if it does go to court.

6. Your friend was lucky. He may have been stopped by a cop who wasn't committed to racking up the violations, who wasn't aggressive unless someone was being aggressive with him (verbal or physical), and was in a good mood when your freind was stopped. Cops can exercise their judgement in any way they want to but even when they say they want to help you or if you just tell them the truth they will let you go, the chances are you WILL be cited for something, if you help them out by incriminating yourself.

7. Beat cops usually have good recall. Inasmuch as your friend did not receive a citation or a conviction, there isn't a record so if he fails to signal a turn in the next town, or is stopped by another cop for some reason, chances are he won't have a problem because of this situation. However, if he is found by the same cop in a questionable neighborhood or in a questionable situation then it is very likely the cop will remember him. They are taught to observe and many have uncanny memories of cars, places and faces.

Bottom line is if you are engaging with SWs you need to be aware of the risks you are taking and be willing to accept the consequences if caught. Making it easy for the cops or trusting the SW is not in your best interests.
Pretty good points.

Joseleche
07-25-10, 14:18
I know it's customary to touch each others goods before talking about price and or services. But... could you get arrested for touching them or exposing yourself to them?


I have always wondered about that. Also, if the grab a John that is LE what's to stop the Cop from lying and say they didn't grab. The are alowed to lie about answering so what to keep them from being touched while under cover?

Permanent Wood
11-26-10, 20:44
Police blotter: Woman arrested for prostitution in Cowpens

Spartanburg County Sheriff's Office

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Amanda xxxxx xxxxxxx, 40, of xxx xxx xxxx, xxxxx, was arrested Thursday and charged with prostitution and loitering.


xxxxxx is accused of offering to perform oral sex on an undercover deputy for a sum of $25 at the Mr. Waffle Truck Stop in Cowpens.

A Spartanburg County Sheriff's Office incident report states the deputy, responding to a prostitution complaint, approached xxxxxx outside the store. xxxxxx asked the officer to buy her a drink from inside the store, gave him $20 and told him to meet her out back, the report states.

She met the deputy in a truck, where she asked him to expose himself to her to prove he was not an undercover officer, the report states. According to the report, the deputy complied, and xxxxxx touched his genitals with her hand. The deputy informed her he was an officer, and she was under arrest, the report states.

Tony xxxx, public information officer for the sheriff's office, said the deputy did not violate any of the department's policies.

xxxxxx was taken to the Spartanburg County Detention Facility, where she was being held Friday on $940 bond.
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Member #4398
12-15-10, 01:30
They just want your name and address. Do you answer? Well, you shouldn't. If the police ask you for I'd, do you have to provide it? If so, can they require you show a driver's license (even if not in a car)? If you do not have to show your I'd or driver's license, can LE say you must show your drivers license?

ShadowKilla091
08-21-14, 10:09
I tried to meet with a gal today. I asked about a donation, we never mentioned any kind of favors being done or anything. I asked for a picture because her ad didn't have one. She required for me to put the money on a money pak. When I got to the hotel she asked for me to send the information of the money to her cell to verify that the money was there. She asked for my full name and what car I was in. I told her after I told her she said that I committed two counts of soliciting, said she was an informant. Is this possible? Or was it just a scam. I never saw her in person nor mentioned any kind of acts being done.

XxxtcPorno
11-09-15, 22:45
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I found the music (that you couldn't find to turn off) too fucking annoying to allow this link.

A2

Derringer
12-05-15, 03:14
The "video vigilante" strikes again in Oklahoma City, OK. This time he used a drone with a camera attached to videotape a man and woman inside a vehicle who were allegedly having sex for money. Then he turned over the tape to OKC police who have now charged the pair with the crime of performing a lewd act.

With the state's use of video captured by drones, there will be no such thing as privacy any more. And of course law enforcement and prosecutors will be using these video surveillance methods to seek and destroy the scourge of prostitution!

You can read it for yourself on this website:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com

As Tiny Tim said, "God bless us, every one!"

Viriato
04-26-16, 08:10
So, found a provider on BP and she seems to be setting off a lot of red flags. Normally I've never had any trouble. Most places I go, I just sort of click with the ladies. Probably helps that I don't look even remotely like a cop. Regardless, I've rarely walked away with blue balls. What worries me more, though, especially with BP, is obliviously walking into a bust. We all know it happens, and with our idiot mayor, the police tend to crack don more on consenting adults having sex rather than go after the gang members that a running amok in the streets.

Anyway, I stumbled upon this girl's advert on BP because I was searching for pregnant providers. Not too uncommon, but BP does tend to pull those adverts down pretty quick, and if it's too good to be true, odds are its probably fake. The pics looked cute enough, which makes me suspicious. I did a reverse image search and got nothing. Googled her phone number and got nothing. No reviews, no previous adverts, nothing. And to me, that's another red flag, but I decided it couldn't hurt to keep investigating.

Well I tried to call her a couple weeks back. Phone was disconnected. Perhaps worth noting, this was over the weekend. Now I probably should have been content to leave it there, but on an off chance, I decided to try calling her again tonight, and low and behold, she picked up. We talked for a bit, then she said she'd prefer to switch to text. Perhaps to have written evidence of what we'd discussed? I don't know. Illinois doesn't allow you to record phone conversations without consent, and I'd imagine that still applies here since they presumably wouldn't have a warrant?

As I'm using a prepaid mobile phone registered to a fake name at a fake address using a public library computer, I figured I'd see what she wanted:

First, she wanted my name and pic. Okay, easy enough. Never had a provider ask for that before, but I indulged her. Used a fake name again just in case.

During the conversation she asked what I wanted (naturally, just a massage, nothing sexual or illegal), and then how much donation I would offer. Now, mind you, that's a big red flag. She DID say donation, but I've never had a provider ask me over the phone before. I was still careful to say it was '100 roses' and 'for her time,' again nothing sexual.

She was very evasive about where she was working and what times she was available. Interestingly, she said she was able to take me that day. Another red flag? It fit perfectly in my schedule, and was a weird time (1:45). I didn't take her up on it because of all the red flags.

What do you guys think? LEO? I am tempted, but it seems like a trap. I'd be inclined to go to early and scope out the place, but she never did give me the address. If it was a hotel that'd be another definite red flag, but I suppose it'd be possible enough for LEO to get an apartment for busts too so who knows.

NCSeller
04-26-16, 08:21
So, found a provider on BP and she seems to be setting off a lot of red flags. Normally I've never had any trouble. Most places I go, I just sort of click with the ladies. Probably helps that I don't look even remotely like a cop. Regardless, I've rarely walked away with blue balls. What worries me more, though, especially with BP, is obliviously walking into a bust. We all know it happens, and with our idiot mayor, the police tend to crack don more on consenting adults having sex rather than go after the gang members that a running amok in the streets.

Anyway, I stumbled upon this girl's advert on BP because I was searching for pregnant providers. Not too uncommon, but BP does tend to pull those adverts down pretty quick, and if it's too good to be true, odds are its probably fake. The pics looked cute enough, which makes me suspicious. I did a reverse image search and got nothing. Googled her phone number and got nothing. No reviews, no previous adverts, nothing. And to me, that's another red flag, but I decided it couldn't hurt to keep investigating.

Well I tried to call her a couple weeks back. Phone was disconnected. Perhaps worth noting, this was over the weekend. Now I probably should have been content to leave it there, but on an off chance, I decided to try calling her again tonight, and low and behold, she picked up. We talked for a bit, then she said she'd prefer to switch to text. Perhaps to have written evidence of what we'd discussed? I don't know. Illinois doesn't allow you to record phone conversations without consent, and I'd imagine that still applies here since they presumably wouldn't have a warrant?

As I'm using a prepaid mobile phone registered to a fake name at a fake address using a public library computer, I figured I'd see what she wanted:

First, she wanted my name and pic. Okay, easy enough. Never had a provider ask for that before, but I indulged her. Used a fake name again just in case.

During the conversation she asked what I wanted (naturally, just a massage, nothing sexual or illegal), and then how much donation I would offer. Now, mind you, that's a big red flag. She DID say donation, but I've never had a provider ask me over the phone before. I was still careful to say it was '100 roses' and 'for her time,' again nothing sexual.

She was very evasive about where she was working and what times she was available. Interestingly, she said she was able to take me that day. Another red flag? It fit perfectly in my schedule, and was a weird time (1:45). I didn't take her up on it because of all the red flags.

What do you guys think? LEO? I am tempted, but it seems like a trap. I'd be inclined to go to early and scope out the place, but she never did give me the address. If it was a hotel that'd be another definite red flag, but I suppose it'd be possible enough for LEO to get an apartment for busts too so who knows.You have been in the game long enough to know to just stay away. There are plenty of providers out there that can be verified that you should never take this risk. I guess the being pregnant part may limit the numbers, but it is still not worth the risk.

Wertik
04-25-19, 19:54
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Wertik
04-25-19, 20:34
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Solandonward
09-25-20, 23:46
What's the safety re providers sending you incall locations at hotels? That always seemed more sketchy to me, opposed to an apartment.

Jh547
11-19-20, 13:50
What's the safety re providers sending you incall locations at hotels? That always seemed more sketchy to me, opposed to an apartment.I have seen many reliable posts about providers who are long term Motel residents. But hotels and motels are also good places for 2-person rip-off stings. I usually case the place about 15-min before my appointment to make sure no marked cars are in the area. But I also look at the common areas for a watcher who may double as the BF or brother or whatever the game is. Finally, I text the provider before entering the establishment so the door is already open when I arrive. Nothing worse than drawing attention to myself with a knock at the door.

Good luck.

Sussma
01-12-21, 16:28
The usual theatre revving up down in Tampa pre-superbowl. Sigh.

https://www.complex.com/life/2021/01/71-arrested-in-operation-interception-human-trafficking-sting-super-bowl

Robert 123
08-13-21, 18:23
https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2021/08/05/texas-to-be-first-state-to-make-buying-sex-a-felony/