View Full Version : What I learned as a Monger for the past 2 years. Good read for Newbies
AngelBravo
03-08-21, 02:06
Hello, I've been meaning to post this as I wish someone posted these tips and thoughts when I started so here we go.
Mongering which is the term for this hobby can be a fun. You get to meet many women and honestly take it as far as your comfortable. I think biologically getting a hand massage by a beautiful woman (Known as Level 1, getting a BJ (L2) or having full sex (Full-Service) is engrained in every man's biological satisfaction list. There have been many days where I wasn't thinking about meeting a Masseuse at all and then I see a sexy picture of them on the site and my juices start flowing and I just have to book her.
There are many abbreviations to Sex terms in this hobby that you will find, Here are the most common that you should be aware of: BBBJ (Bare Back Blow Job), BBFS (Bare Back Full-Service), CBJ (Condom Blow Job), CFS (Condom Full-Service), DATY (Dine at the why. Which means eating her out), HJ (Hand Job), Greek (Anal Sex), In-call (You visit them at their location), Out-Call (They come to visit you at your location), QV (Quick Visit), GFE (Girlfriend Experience), PSE (Porn-Start Experience), YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary. This means she may treat you differently depending on how you treat her and if she likes you), LEO (Law Enforcement Officer), TOFTT (Take One For The Team. Means nobody has any information and you should be the first and report back with intel).
Finding Service. There are many websites and location types which this site covers very well in which you can meet a Sex Worker. I won't discuss them individually but but I will cover the type of places you will most commonly visit and discuss the Pro's and Con's of each based on my experience.
Massage Parlors - (Often abbreviated as AMP for Asian Massage Parlor, or EMP for European Massage Parlor etc.) These location are your typical Massage places that you find throughout the city. They can often be simple massage places that offer extra services.
If your looking for a location that offers Sex work watch out for these flags.
1. They open late.
2. They mention a Table Shower or bath in their services.
3. When you arrive they don't give you a menu and may only ask you if you want 30 minutes or 60 minutes.
Pros: They are cheap, and easily accessible ($60-180 $). On top of Sex Work, you may find you get a decent massage at these locations in comparison to other options.
Cons: You often don't always get to choose the girl of your choice, the girl on the website is almost 100% never them, the women at these location are much older often in their 30's and 40's. Customers walk in on a whim, there is often more background noise and you are in a small room. The masseuse might seem rushed if another customer is waiting. There is a slightly higher Risk that the place might get busted by a LEO at any moment. Not common, but there is a chance as these places are targeted by police in comparison to other options. If you are caught your best bet is to plead ignorance and don't say another word until you speak to a lawyer if necessary.
Agency's. These are often run by one person where they promote their girls on a website. Chances are the pictures on the website are legit but mostly likely photoshopped a bit, outdated, or simply taken at very good angles to positively promote the girls. The faces are almost always blurred for the girls protection, but if you research on this site and with google, you will find solid information on the girl that interests you. When you visit these girls at the hotel you will want to try to keep it private. Wear a hat, Covid mask, and sunglasses as you will be walking in a hotel with other patrons and employees, Never speak to anyone at the hotel simply arrive at the time agreed upon with the Agency booker and you will receive the room number and when to go up when she's ready.
Pros: The women are typically much more beautiful. You get to pick the girl of your choosing 100% of the time. The locations are almost always in nicer Hotel's and private rented apartments. It's very private, quiet and much more personal. You don't have to worry about someone walking in or the girl trying to juggle other customers that may walk through the front door. There is still a Risk always of the place getting busted but that would be more if the girl you are trying to see is the LEO and you didn't do the proper research to find out.
Cons: Much more expensive ($180-$500), There is always a risk that the person you saw on the site is not the girl you visited, considering the upcharge in cost I advise you to walk away if your not happy. Locations vary depending on the hotel they booked so you may have to travel farther from your home. LEO Risk is much more minimal, nobody is going to bust through the door unless the girl your seeing is a LEO and you didn't put enough research in the Agency that it was legit.
Street Walkers. While I myself never partook in these services so I can't comment much, here is what I know about these service type. It's super cheap, we are talking $30-$100 for Full Service, you get to pick the girl on the spot as you pick her up in your car. You don't need to rent a hotel or wait long to arrive. The biggest Con for me is that they are typically not as attractive and they are much more open to Bare Back Service which often means there is higher Risk involved.
Tips for beginner Mongers:
Before you arrive, circle the building for any possible LEO's Staking out the location. When you walk through the door request to use the bathroom immediately. You want to ensure there are no LEO's hiding in the bathroom. If this is a hotel look at the bathroom and see her personal belongings. It should look like she's taken a bath recently or put her personal items somewhere in the bathroom. If you see these things it's a good sign it's legit and not a stake out.
The Term YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) is not respected enough. Please keep in mind that these women see men constantly throughout the day, if you treat her with any disrespect don't expect to get the same service as another reviewer. Also please shower before you arrive, clean yourself up and come dressed well. You should be shocked how much better service you'll have if you visit them like if you where going on a hot date instead of just bumming around the house.
The Cold Truth about the girls you will be visiting -.
In my experience no matter how nice and respectful I was, I learned quite a few things about the female psychology with these women. In summary, you are simply a job and pile of quick cash for her. The longer a girl works in this business the more cold her personality will be and in order to protect herself from feeling ok with herself she will be a bit mechanical in her approach. Some women find peace with themselves and their job and truly do enjoy the Sex, but you will find that the majority of the women you meet will be very cold. Even if you pay for GFE, you are never going to substitute the feelings you get with your actual Girlfriend. Women don't work this way and the faster you learn to expect this to be the norm the better you'll adjust to the reality that you're just fast money to them and nothing more.
Often I see Mongers go through an agency, girl by girl looking for a more personal and emotional connection; And while these things can happen in small doses they'll keep bouncing around because they will never be able to fill that true void of real intimacy that none of these girls can provide. These girls provide physical sexual satisfaction and nothing more, the ones that truly care don't last very long and quite or disappear. This is also one of the reasons I prefer to meet newbies into this Sex Work. Anyone working longer than 1 year will be very different and distant.
I also want to cover that seeing these type of girls can be detrimental to your other relationships. If you are a married man or have a Girlfriend and aren't getting the sex from her that you seek. You will quickly feel the difference when the kisses feel empty, and there is no cuddling at all afterwards. As long as you understand that this type of sex is different and don't expect anymore more than your physical body will being satisfied you'll be fine. However if you go in expecting a more emotional and intimate relationship you are going to be disappointed; If you do this hobby too long you may forget what a real relationship with a women might be, so please heed this warning.
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT MONGERING THAT CAN BE LIFE CHANGING. PLEASE READ.
Like some hobbies, please keep in mind that as amazing as I've now written about my mongering experience; The absolute worst part about mongering is the inherent RISK of an STD that can lead to serious Illness or Death.
I am not going to sugar coat things and not cover that sleeping with someone always carries it's inherent sexual risks. I know many Monger's will try to tell you that sleeping with a girl you met at a club is just as risky, but the facts remain that someone that has sex with around 6-8 men per day will always be riskier in comparison to a girl that sleeps around once a week. Sure they can both be risky, but this is simply a numbers game and every partner they have sex with is just rolling the dice more often on the chance of getting infected.
Yes, there are many STD (Sexually Transmitted Diseases) that you can still get even if you use a condom. There are positions like Cowgirl that are riskier because gravity will drip her juices down your condom shaft onto your unprotected Pubic Area. The condom also has the risk of breaking, exposing you entirely to that person. There is also this myth that Bare Back BlowJob is not as risky, that's just bullshit. If she's infected, your penis opening (Urethra) will get infected from her throat if the person before you was infected and jizzed in her mouth.
I really don't want to be a Debbie Downer but there is serious risk in this Hobby and I couldn't possibly write this Tips and Tricks without covering this most important topic in detail.
Truth be told, because of these risks I only did FS once and then decided from a scare that it just wasn't worth it. I was panicking for weeks when I noticed a rash near my groin only to be told weeks later that it was just a bad in-grown hair that had gotten infected. It may be funny to think about it now since I panicked for weeks for apparently nothing, but the fear I felt during those weeks worked great as a wake-up call, to what may be and what I definitely don't want in my life. If you don't think this can't happen to you, then I urge you to google HIV patients who felt the same way until it happened to them. For this reason alone, I only partake in L1 (HJ) now and feel satisfied with this decision for both my mental sanity, comfort and overall life health. I advise you to please be aware of the risks and tread carefully for your very life depends on it.
Thank you for taking the time to read my long post, I hope it helps you in this hobby and most important I hope it possibly saves someone's life by just being aware of the risks. I'd love if the mods stickie this post and directed all newbies here. This post would also be great if it grew with your suggestions or experiences for others to learn. Have a wonderful day;.
It was a good read and very informative. I wish I could have read this when I first started out.
Yeah, the whole street walker thing gives me the creeps. So many horror stories. Car dates where the girl you pick up is taking care of you with one hand and reaching under the seat with the other hand trying to find your wallet. Toothless girls with bad hygiene. There's a reason they only charge you 30 or 40 bucks.
As far as the spa scene, you can't always circle the lot looking for signs of Uncle LEO. And then there's the guys who park down the street and walk all the way past the neighbors houses to get to the spa. If it's already a suspected "fun Spa", it just adds to their suspicions. Myself, I park right in front of the spa, walk right in, because I'm going in for a legit massage. As far as anybody knows.
I was recently at a local spa. I was walking in, monger was walking out. I made eye contact and gave him the friendly head nod. He looked away. There's so much street parking it's ridiculous. Yet the guy parks in the parking lot of a business across the street, so he pulls the jacket hood up over his face does the Walk of Shame all the way, steps through and over the snow barrier in the other parking lot, gets in his car drives away with the headlights off. If that doesn't look suspicious, I don't know what does. I just stood there shaking my head because this is actually a spa in a residential neighborhood.
I'm sure he was a local guy who is afraid somebody will spot his car and that's good that he's being careful, but what do the spas neighbors think?
A week later at the same spa I see a guy park purposely 7 spaces down the road in front of a residential house, get out of his car and walked 1/2 block past all the empty parking spaces. My point is you can make yourself look more suspicious than you really are. I always walk-in like I'm going in for a massage. What's wrong with that? If your local guy and don't want to get spotted, you need monger in a different town I'm sorry to say.
I know it isn't completely staying with your subject but does apply. If you look suspicious people will think you're suspicious. Just try to act natural. That goes for when you're in the room with the girl. Just try to be relaxed. If you don't smile at the girl and introduce yourself she may be suspicious of you. I'm nice to a fault. They really appreciate it.
Great post. The only thing I can think of is adding a bit about deposits and burners.
When searching for a companion and they are requesting a deposit the majority of the time it will be a scam. This would be whether it's through a financial app or sometimes a request for a gift card. For the card they will ask for the number and then most likely you will either never get another response, or they will have you drive around giving you fake addresses before they finally stop. Sending cash through an app also leaves your personal information available to be compromised, in addition to the fact that you will get ghosted.
When you decide to start partaking in this hobby the first thing you should do is get a burner phone. There are many options available depending on what level of contact you want to have, from basic text up to communication apps. Buy with cash and register with fake information if you need to. Refill cards should be bought with cash also because you want to avoid leaving a paper trail, and also keep your real life separate from your mongering life.
Hey, really great tips and definitely something beginners should read. A few other notes from my experiences:
Maybe its just how your personal experience with the hobby played out, but you omitted some big segments of the market between AMPs and structured agencies. There's also a huge pool of independents along with the Seeking Arrangement 'sugar baby' girls now. Indys would usually be considered several steps above streetwalkers, but without all of the overhead of an actual agency (although unfortunately you will find pimps and other 'handlers' Pros of these girls would be less personal verification required than an agency, more variety, and more negotiating room on prices. Main con is you really have to do your homework to ensure safety and some level of getting what you expect. The Arrangement side has its whole own thread. If things work well there its where you can find cleaner, less 'business oriented' girls. Cons are lots of scammers and time wasters, and it can be a very expensive way to do the hobby since most girls want to think in terms of a repeat allowance rather than one time payments, and you likely have additional costs of hotels, etc.
Agree with the other poster about preparing to protect your identity and secure communication methods. Set up a new email, get a burner phone or text app, and keep it all completely separate from your 'real' channels. If possible, use separate devices or at least browsers from anything shared with family. Browser and search histories are easy to clear, but with some apps and devices, cookies, caches, images, etc can be buried a lot deeper than they seem. Financially, its a huge plus if you can have accounts and cards that are completely under your control. Large withdrawals at strange times that are visible to SOs can obviously be huge trouble.
Stings and LE busts are a risk of the hobby, but smaller than the alarmists would have you think. These things are set up periodically to make headlines, but they're not happening constantly, and most cops don't really like participating in them. Avoid brand new ads or unreviewed girls, and be wary of low end motels near highways, especially the ones with outside doors to each room. Cops aren't necessarily doing constant stings there, but they do watch those places carefully in general as other types of crimes are very common and they've been known to randomly stop cars leaving those motels. Unless you're single with nothing to lose in your personal or professional life, I'd ignore the occasional advice you'll see on here that 'they can't prove anything', etc. In most cases, if you answer an ad, agree to a price, and show up in a room where they're running a sting, they've got you. Yes, maybe after court appearances and expensive legal fees you could end up getting the charge tossed, but that will be after having your arrest reported, car impounded, etc. On the other hand, the stories about girls being 'turned' and working with LE to bust men are almost all urban legends. So long story short, stick with previously reviewed long time posters and you should be quite safe from LE issues.
Similar point on health risks. They're there, but they are very well mitigated if you use condoms. Unfortunately, BBFS seems to be an explosively growing area of the hobby, which makes things more risky than they used to be. It wasn't that long ago that girls would be pretty much blacklisted if someone reviewed them giving bare services (even though I'm sure it happened sometimes), and now there are whole threads devoted to it and mongers seem to expect it on the menu. There will be strong disagreements, but to me this is unfortunate. There were plenty of studies from Nevada brothels and countries where providing was legal and regulated that showed that STD incidence was not much higher than the general population if the women used condoms regularly. But a lot of this topic comes down to personal risk tolerance. The killer disease HIV is very well documented to be well prevented by condoms, and statistically is difficult to transmit through non greek sex. But if you have a SO, it doesn't have to be the worst case scenario. Getting one of the easily cured bacterial STDs or even something like mono could be a huge risk, so everyone has to decide where they draw the line for acceptable risks.
Other things you mentioned are more subjective. Maybe its because I played more in the indy and sugar baby parts of the world, but I don't think the experience is always cold, detatched, and fleeting. There are several providers I've known for many years, obviously after seeing them many times, and they've opened up about their real lives, and in some cases there were at least some levels of feelings between us. I'm certainly not saying to go out looking for that, as you'll be very disappointed, but it does happen. The other side of it, and what's become my cold truth about the hobby, is that almost all of these girls have big problems. No matter what image you see when they're providing, whether its the fun loving nympho, hard working girl trying to pay for school, or whatever, under the surface there's usually some kind of abuse, addiction, abandonement, etc that's a big part of her psyche. I'm not saying it should stop you from partaking, and I still do sometimes, but unfortunately its always there under the surface.
But thanks again for sharing all your experiences and I think your post and this thread will put some valuable advice out there.
Great points posted so far.
Never pay upfront before playtime. You might get ripped off, limited time, or your menu item (s) won't be satisfied.
If the ad pic of the girl isn't the girl you meet in person walk out.
AngelBravo
03-08-21, 16:49
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this thread. That was very informative and I agreed with it entirely. Truth be told the only avenue I didn't venture was sugar babies, personally I'm more of a whim kind of guy and didn't want someone on a monthly allowance as I am not always available due to my work schedule.
I especially enjoyed reading your topic on the fact that in conclusion you will always find something deeply wrong or damaging that's happened to the provider. The surface of what they offer is never all that's there and I would advise not to dig too deep if you aren't ready to deal with the consequences or guilt of knowing the full story. I only wanted to inform newbies of this personality trait because like myself when I started, my only other reference was talking to normal women, and full on relationships. Believe it or not for you to be aroused you need to mentally connect on some level, even if the girl was hot, if she's got kind a shitty attitude you're going to have a bad time. I wanted to warn those newbies that this behavior is somewhat to be expected so don't be surprised.
Thank you all for the additional comments on this thread, as you can imagine, I took a long time to write it and I don't feel it will ever be complete as it evolves with time; but it should be a great start for anyone looking for solid advice on need to know items of this hobby.
Hey, really great tips and definitely something beginners should read. A few other notes from my experiences:
Maybe its just how your personal experience with the hobby played out, but you omitted some big segments of the market between AMPs and structured agencies. There's also a huge pool of independents along with the Seeking Arrangement 'sugar baby' girls now. Indys would usually be considered several steps above streetwalkers, but without all of the overhead of an actual agency (although unfortunately you will find pimps and other 'handlers' Pros of these girls would be less personal verification required than an agency, more variety, and more negotiating room on prices. Main con is you really have to do your homework to ensure safety and some level of getting what you expect. The Arrangement side has its whole own thread. If things work well there its where you can find cleaner, less 'business oriented' girls. Cons are lots of scammers and time wasters, and it can be a very expensive way to do the hobby since most girls want to think in terms of a repeat allowance rather than one time payments, and you likely have additional costs of hotels, etc.
Agree with the other poster about preparing to protect your identity and secure communication methods. Set up a new email, get a burner phone or text app, and keep it all completely separate from your 'real' channels. If possible, use separate devices or at least browsers from anything shared with family. Browser and search histories are easy to clear, but with some apps and devices, cookies, caches, images, etc can be buried a lot deeper than they seem. Financially, its a huge plus if you can have accounts and cards that are completely under your control. Large withdrawals at strange times that are visible to SOs can obviously be huge trouble.
Stings and LE busts are a risk of the hobby, but smaller than the alarmists would have you think. These things are set up periodically to make headlines, but they're not happening constantly, and most cops don't really like participating in them. Avoid brand new ads or unreviewed girls, and be wary of low end motels near highways, especially the ones with outside doors to each room. Cops aren't necessarily doing constant stings there, but they do watch those places carefully in general as other types of crimes are very common and they've been known to randomly stop cars leaving those motels. Unless you're single with nothing to lose in your personal or professional life, I'd ignore the occasional advice you'll see on here that 'they can't prove anything', etc. In most cases, if you answer an ad, agree to a price, and show up in a room where they're running a sting, they've got you. Yes, maybe after court appearances and expensive legal fees you could end up getting the charge tossed, but that will be after having your arrest reported, car impounded, etc. On the other hand, the stories about girls being 'turned' and working with LE to bust men are almost all urban legends. So long story short, stick with previously reviewed long time posters and you should be quite safe from LE issues.
Similar point on health risks. They're there, but they are very well mitigated if you use condoms. Unfortunately, BBFS seems to be an explosively growing area of the hobby, which makes things more risky than they used to be. It wasn't that long ago that girls would be pretty much blacklisted if someone reviewed them giving bare services (even though I'm sure it happened sometimes), and now there are whole threads devoted to it and mongers seem to expect it on the menu. There will be strong disagreements, but to me this is unfortunate. There were plenty of studies from Nevada brothels and countries where providing was legal and regulated that showed that STD incidence was not much higher than the general population if the women used condoms regularly. But a lot of this topic comes down to personal risk tolerance. The killer disease HIV is very well documented to be well prevented by condoms, and statistically is difficult to transmit through non greek sex. But if you have a SO, it doesn't have to be the worst case scenario. Getting one of the easily cured bacterial STDs or even something like mono could be a huge risk, so everyone has to decide where they draw the line for acceptable risks.
Other things you mentioned are more subjective. Maybe its because I played more in the indy and sugar baby parts of the world, but I don't think the experience is always cold, detatched, and fleeting. There are several providers I've known for many years, obviously after seeing them many times, and they've opened up about their real lives, and in some cases there were at least some levels of feelings between us. I'm certainly not saying to go out looking for that, as you'll be very disappointed, but it does happen. The other side of it, and what's become my cold truth about the hobby, is that almost all of these girls have big problems. No matter what image you see when they're providing, whether its the fun loving nympho, hard working girl trying to pay for school, or whatever, under the surface there's usually some kind of abuse, addiction, abandonement, etc that's a big part of her psyche. I'm not saying it should stop you from partaking, and I still do sometimes, but unfortunately its always there under the surface.
But thanks again for sharing all your experiences and I think your post and this thread will put some valuable advice out there.
AngelBravo
03-08-21, 16:54
Great post. The only thing I can think of is adding a bit about deposits and burners.
When searching for a companion and they are requesting a deposit the majority of the time it will be a scam. This would be whether it's through a financial app or sometimes a request for a gift card. For the card they will ask for the number and then most likely you will either never get another response, or they will have you drive around giving you fake addresses before they finally stop. Sending cash through an app also leaves your personal information available to be compromised, in addition to the fact that you will get ghosted.
When you decide to start partaking in this hobby the first thing you should do is get a burner phone. There are many options available depending on what level of contact you want to have, from basic text up to communication apps. Buy with cash and register with fake information if you need to. Refill cards should be bought with cash also because you want to avoid leaving a paper trail, and also keep your real life separate from your mongering life.A burner phone is very important, for many of those looking for a cheaper alternative using google voice is a great alternative. For those unaware, using your personal phone simply puts you at higher risk for you to later be connected to this possible illegal activity. There have also been horror stories of people getting calls or texts at random times in the day often causing an issue with their personal lives. The worst story I saw is someone posted their phone number and the provider found their LinkedIn account and tried to blackmail them into getting them fired and letting his wife know.
For me personally, taking a picture of my I'd and sending it is a big Red Flag for me not to partake. I know it's safe for some, but I personally never feel comfortable with what can possibly be done with my information. At this point you are at their Mercy and are possibly providing all the evidence needed to prosecute you. I know some agency's do it for their protection and it might be fine, but at some point it can come back to haunt you especially if they get investigated and they don't destroy their data collection which I doubt they do.
George Stark
03-08-21, 21:00
Great points posted so far.
Never pay upfront before playtime. You might get ripped off, limited time, or your menu item (s) won't be satisfied.
How do you approach the girls with this? It sounds great, plenty of times I wish I hadn't paid before. I've heard enough stories from the girls that I suspect a lot of them wouldn't even consider it.
How do you approach the girls with this? It sounds great, plenty of times I wish I hadn't paid before. I've heard enough stories from the girls that I suspect a lot of them wouldn't even consider it.On the first visit.
After exchanging small talk and greetings. I just get ready to play. Then if she asks for the money upfront I tell her I'll pay you when were done. If she says it's OK with her then great. If she insists on the money upfront then I just walk out. I vow never ever to get cheated paying upfront ever again. Getting ripped off paying upfront just one time makes you not make that mistake a second time. So all the girls I've seen after that have been good with getting money after playtime is over.
What cities or areas of the US are good / best in your experience for FS?
What cities or areas of the US are good / best in your experience for FS?The answer to that is going to be as diverse as the people who post here. FS doesn't tell much about what you're really looking for, but in an area as big as Chicagoland you should be able to find it in some form within a few minutes of wherever you live. Outside this area, the sunbelt always seems to be a big draw. Areas like Dallas, Nashville, Atlanta, Tampa, etc have a young energetic vibe, obviously a warmer climate, and sometimes lower price expectations. But just like at home, you have to do your homework and search reviews, and sometimes once you start weeding out bad apples the variety isn't as great as it seemed when you first started browsing those areas. I don't see much raving about the high priced East and West coasts, but I'm sure guys that know their way around those areas have some stories. I personally think there are some fun options in other midwestern cities like Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, but I wouldn't think anyone's making road trips there just to find new providers. Honestly, unless you have a reason or just unlimited funds to travel, I'd do more searching around here. As tired of some of the same old faces we get, if you look at the sheer volume of options and variety of services (AMPs, agencies, indys, city vs suburbs, etc) there aren't many places that match the numbers Chicago offers. My $. 02 at least.
As tired of some of the same old faces we get, if you look at the sheer volume of options and variety of services (AMPs, agencies, indys, city vs suburbs, etc) there aren't many places that match the numbers Chicago offers. My $. 02 at least.Many options for sure. Sometimes you got to pick what's right for you. What do you guys think of this illustration?
For those that don't mind repetition;.
Indies tend to be more locally based. They live and work in the same area. Well not too far in between. They're reliable and available. And you know what to expect to happen during each meeting. At my age I like seeing the same girl (s) over and over again. Reliability and availability are important to me. I'm not hung up on looks.
I'd rather have an awesome time with an average looking girl next door than a super babe with GPS.
Good post. The other negative aspect is when the hobby becomes a sexual addiction.
"One thing you can't hide is when your crippled inside".
Many options for sure. Sometimes you got to pick what's right for you. What do you guys think of this illustration?Thanks for both of your input.
There is a granularity to all services in the hobby. So I suppose its just a matter of finding what you personally enjoy.
What people consider valuable in the hobby seems to vary pretty widely. I see glowing reviews for providers I thought were just okay, too expensive, or generally unappealing. But hey, everyone likes what they like, so there really isn't a wrong answer.
The diagram sets up a good list of categories and characteristics for newcomers to try and find their niche.
SideTalker
03-11-21, 22:44
Great thread.
Somebody below asked for the best cities in the US: in my experience NYC has the best talent and abundance of options. I would also like to check out cities in Canada once possible, I hear its great up there.
And following up on the discussion below: been mongering for 10 years now and I got to say, at least for me, it does get boring after a while. I still have the urge to go sometimes but right now I am plain bored by the same old options. Thinking about going the pornstar route as a yolo experience.
Thanks for both of your input.
There is a granularity to all services in the hobby. So I suppose its just a matter of finding what you personally enjoy.
What people consider valuable in the hobby seems to vary pretty widely. I see glowing reviews for providers I thought were just okay, too expensive, or generally unappealing. But hey, everyone likes what they like, so there really isn't a wrong answer.
The diagram sets up a good list of categories and characteristics for newcomers to try and find their niche.Very true. The key to the diagram is knowing what you desire and weigh in making choice.
It's not to say you can't find a quality SW or an Indy who can be convenient. By the same token, it's hard to ascribe a value to FWB since that typically isn't in the equation. All three rings exist in the giant ring of RISK. IMO SB arrangements is the wild west and not applicable here since it doesn't conform.
George Stark
03-13-21, 01:11
Many options for sure. Sometimes you got to pick what's right for you. What do you guys think of this illustration?I'm not sure why you've put AMPs where you have. I suppose if you find one that has the girl (s) you like, let's you choose that / those girls, and the girl (s) actually do what you want, then maybe. But I don't see a lot of those posts here. I see a lot of posts here about guys getting *assigned* grannies, very limited menus, etc. Of course, I may be missing the good ones, because after a few pages of the bad ones, I pretty much stopped reading that thread, ever.
AngelBravo
03-13-21, 17:14
Good post. The other negative aspect is when the hobby becomes a sexual addiction.
"One thing you can't hide is when your crippled inside".Thank you for this insight, this is a very overlooked aspect of this hobby. I truly believe if you are single and monger, you will always be single for being in this hobby will slowly decay you mentally. This is not how relationships should be, and as much as we like to think that only the girls are sad stories and broken; the fact that we are visiting these girls is telling us that we have things broken in ourselves as well. I'm well aware of my issues, and am working to solve them, but one thing I'm certain of is I've already limited my mongering to just L1, and shortly I won't partake at all. I know what it can do to you in the long run and that's just not where I want to be for my life. Fact is, if you keep spending time with sob storied, troubled women, then don't expect to find permanent happiness in these places.
As we travel on this mongering highway everyone has their favorite exit. Just go with what you're comfortable doing and stay on that road. What's right with one guy may not be right with another.
I would call it a non traditional way of meeting girls. I've dated and even have one I've known since the early 1990's. And still stay in contact with to this day. Playing in this game doesn't neccesarily prevent you from meeting girls the traditional way. We just get the 1st place trophy first before the race begins.
Good post. The other negative aspect is when the hobby becomes a sexual addiction.
"One thing you can't hide is when your crippled inside".So true, the addiction is REAL. Ten years ago when things were wide open I would see at LEAST one new girl a week. However, I realized 3/4 years ago that this lifestyle was no longer productive for ME. I am now content to see one provider a month tops and still hold on hope for a REAL relationship. All part of the journey.
Thank you for this insight, this is a very overlooked aspect of this hobby. I truly believe if you are single and monger, you will always be single for being in this hobby will slowly decay you mentally. This is not how relationships should be, and as much as we like to think that only the girls are sad stories and broken; the fact that we are visiting these girls is telling us that we have things broken in ourselves as well. I'm well aware of my issues, and am working to solve them, but one thing I'm certain of is I've already limited my mongering to just L1, and shortly I won't partake at all. I know what it can do to you in the long run and that's just not where I want to be for my life. Fact is, if you keep spending time with sob storied, troubled women, then don't expect to find permanent happiness in these places.Hopefully you're not as consumed with the dark side of the hobby as this sounds. If so, you should definitely find ways to withdraw yourself from it. I try to take a less negative view and think there are ways it can actually be a part of an otherwise healthy life. If you're young and single, it can give some instant gratification and excitement that can sometimes be hard to find in regular dating, and keep you from rushing into bad long-term relationships just for the promise of regular release. It might be a cliche, but I think having a secret outlet to get some urges taken care of does sometimes save long-term relationships or even marriages. And yes, while many of the women are damaged goods, sometimes the funds and companionship from our side does make their lives a little better, at least for a short time. I'm far from naive enough to think that its not usually just transactional and the money rarely goes for something good, but I know for a fact that there's been a few exceptions where a girl's situation would have been worse if I hadn't seen her and have heard several times that being treated warmly and being listened to made at least a little difference in their spirits. So without being 'captain save a ho', you can sometimes walk away from a visit feeling like you left things a little better than you found them, rather than feeling guilty or dirty.
Obviously there are slippery slopes we sometimes grapple with. So yes, if doing this has become your only source of intimacy or you're chasing bigger and bigger thrills at greater expense and risk, then you need to find a way to get away from it.
Just want to call out the original posters understanding of STD's is way off. You can't get an STD from pussy juice on your bare skin. Ridiculous. Going to provide some better context, not to state there isn't risk, but better frame it.
Oral sex is fairly low risk (note, very low, but not no risk), your main risk is Gonorrhea, which would be passed to you via an infected throat. That person isn't automatically infected if they blow a dude with gonorrhea. The throat is a hostile place to stds (hence the sex part).
The second even lower is chlamydia, which was only recently discovered to be able to survive in the throat. For men, gonorrhea is typically symptomatic (pus / burning). Chlamydia maybe less obvious (but rarer).
Both are easily cured with antibiotics. You can test for these 3-5 days after exposure. For this reason, a lot of high end pros BBBJ no problem. It's rare and not that risky.
You could argue herpes (HSV1) mouth to junk transmission is possible, but it's not common and majority of people have hsv1. Avoid getting blow jobs from people with cold sores.
Condoms for oral basically eliminates any risk.
If you are using a condom for sex, your only real risk is HSV2 (herpes) and Syphilis.
HsV transmission requires skin to skin contact for an extended period of time (grazing someone isn't going to make your dick fall off). People can shed the virus when they are not having an outbreak. Because condoms don't cover all skin, there is a risk, but even in studies of couples where 1 person had herp, the risk or transmission with a condom was pretty low. Statistically it's hard to say who has herp, but it's not that many people (<20). If you are going for higher end sex workers, it's probably in single percentages based on demographics.
Now if you are getting syphilis, then you are sleeping with people that sleep with men, who likely sleep with other men. It's just not common in heterosexual demographics.
Long story short, if you BBBJ and CFS you probably are low risk (not no risk), but if a pussy leaks out on your junk, don't run to the rest room like an asshole freaking out. If it worked like that, we'd all have stds.
Barebacking an Aamp girl or streetwalker that is high volume probably puts you at moderate risk, if you do it frequently, you are high risk for everything, probably including aids. Barebacking a $2 k escort is probably pretty lower risk (not no risk). Anal barebacking a crackhead = dick probably going to fall off.
Determine your risk profile, understand the consequences, get tested frequently.
Chlmydia, Gonorrhea, syphilis = curable.
AIDS, herpes 1, herpes 2 = incurable but managed with drugs.
Not covering hepatitis but can be a risk.
Also the prices on pros are way off. 500-800 is mid tier, I'd you go higher than that, the quality and risk is a lot more. Lots of whining on this forum on the cost of sex, but you aren't paying those women for their vagina, you are laying them for the lower risk profile they provide.
I'm not sure why you've put AMPs where you have. I suppose if you find one that has the girl (s) you like, let's you choose that / those girls, and the girl (s) actually do what you want, then maybe. But I don't see a lot of those posts here. I see a lot of posts here about guys getting *assigned* grannies, very limited menus, etc. Of course, I may be missing the good ones, because after a few pages of the bad ones, I pretty much stopped reading that thread, ever.With your reasoning, AMPs and MPs could easily fall into the where SW are because the quality isn't always guaranteed. It's almost like in any venue, you can really only be in 2 of the 3 circles, wherever they've overlapped for you. Consider that a lucky thing.
AngelBravo
03-15-21, 04:40
Just want to call out the original posters understanding of STD's is way off. You can't get an STD from pussy juice on your bare skin. Ridiculous. Going to provide some better context, not to state there isn't risk, but better frame it.
Oral sex is fairly low risk (note, very low, but not no risk), your main risk is Gonorrhea, which would be passed to you via an infected throat. That person isn't automatically infected if they blow a dude with gonorrhea. The throat is a hostile place to stds (hence the sex part).
The second even lower is chlamydia, which was only recently discovered to be able to survive in the throat. For men, gonorrhea is typically symptomatic (pus / burning). Chlamydia maybe less obvious (but rarer).
Both are easily cured with antibiotics. You can test for these 3-5 days after exposure. For this reason, a lot of high end pros BBBJ no problem. It's rare and not that risky.
You could argue herpes (HSV1) mouth to junk transmission is possible, but it's not common and majority of people have hsv1. Avoid getting blow jobs from people with cold sores.
Condoms for oral basically eliminates any risk.
If you are using a condom for sex, your only real risk is HSV2 (herpes) and Syphilis.
HsV transmission requires skin to skin contact for an extended period of time (grazing someone isn't going to make your dick fall off). People can shed the virus when they are not having an outbreak. Because condoms don't cover all skin, there is a risk, but even in studies of couples where 1 person had herp, the risk or transmission with a condom was pretty low. Statistically it's hard to say who has herp, but it's not that many people (<20). If you are going for higher end sex workers, it's probably in single percentages based on demographics.
Now if you are getting syphilis, then you are sleeping with people that sleep with men, who likely sleep with other men. It's just not common in heterosexual demographics.
Long story short, if you BBBJ and CFS you probably are low risk (not no risk), but if a pussy leaks out on your junk, don't run to the rest room like an asshole freaking out. If it worked like that, we'd all have stds.
Barebacking an Aamp girl or streetwalker that is high volume probably puts you at moderate risk, if you do it frequently, you are high risk for everything, probably including aids. Barebacking a $2 k escort is probably pretty lower risk (not no risk). Anal barebacking a crackhead = dick probably going to fall off.
Determine your risk profile, understand the consequences, get tested frequently.
Chlmydia, Gonorrhea, syphilis = curable.
AIDS, herpes 1, herpes 2 = incurable but managed with drugs.
Not covering hepatitis but can be a risk.
Also the prices on pros are way off. 500-800 is mid tier, I'd you go higher than that, the quality and risk is a lot more. Lots of whining on this forum on the cost of sex, but you aren't paying those women for their vagina, you are laying them for the lower risk profile they provide.While I don't want to debate you on statistics, even though I disagree with your statements especially given this is your very first post, and somehow your trying to come in like an expert on the topic. The main point still stands even by your own standards, this hobby is risky. 95% effective, still means there's a 5% chance you will have bad luck and get infected. If you aren't willing to bet your health or possibly life altering life on that 5% then I say don't risk it. Barebacking is simply playing with fire, I don't understand how you have that categorized as low risk. Herpes 1 and 2 is the most common STD and it is not Curable, sure manageable with drugs but cold sores your mouth are going to be a ***** to explain to anybody your dating seriously.
While I don't want to debate you on statistics, even though I disagree with your statements especially given this is your very first post, and somehow your trying to come in like an expert on the topic. The main point still stands even by your own standards, this hobby is risky. 95% effective, still means there's a 5% chance you will have bad luck and get infected. If you aren't willing to bet your health or possibly life altering life on that 5% then I say don't risk it. Barebacking is simply playing with fire, I don't understand how you have that categorized as low risk. Herpes 1 and 2 is the most common STD and it is not Curable, sure manageable with drugs but cold sores your mouth are going to be a ***** to explain to anybody your dating seriously.I was going to say that was a hell of a first post. Sure beats the usual ISO first posts most mongers have.
Anyway, is there really a that much of a stigma with cold sores? I've dated plenty of women who occasionally have them and I can't say I've ever thought twice about it. It seems like half the people I meet have them. It's as embarrassing as getting a zit.
I would call it a non traditional way of meeting girls. I've dated and even have one I've known since the early 1990's. And still stay in contact with to this day. Playing in this game doesn't neccesarily prevent you from meeting girls the traditional way. We just get the 1st place trophy first before the race begins.I don't consider myself broken. Unconventional, maybe. But not broken. I see sex as a hobby, as recreation, as a passion. Like bowling or skydiving or knitting. Bowling, skydiving and knitting aren't seen as the sign of being broken, so I don't see why sexual variety as a hobby is seen as being broken.
Like any hobby if you let it overtake you at the expense of the rest of your life, then that's a different story. But that's not the hobby that's the problem, it's the addiction to it. That's true whether your hobby is video games, eating out, smoking weed, traveling around, etc. If it becomes an addiction, the addiction is the problem.
There are guys here who have been married for decades and are pretty happily married. They just enjoy sexual variety, and that's impossible with just one person. Are they really "broken"? I don't think so.
What cities or areas of the US are good / best in your experience for FS?Depends on what you are looking for and what you are willing to pay for it. I've mongered in dozens of cities so I'll give some of my observations.
If money is no object, then my favorite city for high end escorts is San Francisco. The hottest girl I've ever seen in the hobby (and maybe my life) I met there.
If value is the most important thing, then Tampa / Orlando has the best price / quality ratio.
If SW is your thing, then Houston currently has the most vibrant scene in the country.
If your passion is for BBFS, then Seattle had the market cornered. It's been totally normalized over there.
My favorite regional city for sex is St. Louis. Good value and nice variety. Milwaukee used to be better.
I haven't done Nashville myself yet but other people say it's on the rise. Louisville used to be really good, but meth has changed the dynamic a lot. It's gone from having a lot of mid scale pretty escorts to now having a lot of down scale addicts.
My overall favorite place to monger (in the country) is Vegas. Avoid the people handing out cards and use the message boards and you can find anything you want there. The two hottest escorts I've ever BBFSed were there, good high end options if you're in the mood, a lot of real strippers doing side hustles (be careful with that), the occasional broke cirque du soleil acrobat and even a good selection of regular girls who are single and lonely. I hooked up with my Uber driver there once after she spent the whole drive complaining about how hard it is to meet men.
How does it go down? Like if you never talk about sex and just get down, can you get busted?
Depends on what you are looking for and what you are willing to pay for it. I've mongered in dozens of cities so I'll give some of my observations.
If money is no object, then my favorite city for high end escorts is San Francisco. The hottest girl I've ever seen in the hobby (and maybe my life) I met there.
If value is the most important thing, then Tampa / Orlando has the best price / quality ratio.
If SW is your thing, then Houston currently has the most vibrant scene in the country.
If your passion is for BBFS, then Seattle had the market cornered. It's been totally normalized over there.
My favorite regional city for sex is St. Louis. Good value and nice variety. Milwaukee used to be better.
I haven't done Nashville myself yet but other people say it's on the rise. Louisville used to be really good, but meth has changed the dynamic a lot. It's gone from having a lot of mid scale pretty escorts to now having a lot of down scale addicts.
My overall favorite place to monger (in the country) is Vegas. Avoid the people handing out cards and use the message boards and you can find anything you want there. The two hottest escorts I've ever BBFSed were there, good high end options if you're in the mood, a lot of real strippers doing side hustles (be careful with that), the occasional broke cirque du soleil acrobat and even a good selection of regular girls who are single and lonely. I hooked up with my Uber driver there once after she spent the whole drive complaining about how hard it is to meet men.Regionally, Indianapolis is about as good as it gets. Lots of AMPs, and quite a few with extras, at least pre-COVID. DI is a local web site with some of the hottest talent, but not at $. 5 or $$. All on DI require fairly extensive pre-screening. Tryst has a pretty good representation there as well.
South Bend used to be good if you knew where to look, but it has absolutely died.
How does it go down? Like if you never talk about sex and just get down, can you get busted?Maybe 10 years ago in the hey day of BP and CL I responded to a massage ad. Scheduled for a couple days out. She was at a high end hotel near mag mile and everything seemed normal. Until I got in the room that is. She immediately started talking about her menu. X amount for BJ, x amount to fuck, x amount for anal, etc. I noticed a ton of condoms, lube and other sex stuff all in obvious plain site on the night stand. Spidey senses went off so I just said "I could really use a massage so let's start there".
Boom. Door to adjoining hotel room whips open and a few detectives barge in. Take me into the adjoining hotel room. Couple other dudes already in there. Run I'd and all that, and I told them I never agreed to anything I just said I wanted a massage. They had the room wired and recorded everything so they went back, listened to the tape and they let me walk.
Honestly. If you are a veteran hobbyist you should be able to tell when something is off. It's kind of hobby common sense on both sides to not talk about or agree to anything illegal.
I'd like to amend this. I spent a week in Nashville. A whole week. And the escort scene is the worst of any city I've ever visited. Truly awful. Every woman I tried to reach either never responded, responded days later, or ghosted me. In seven days I couldn't get one woman to take my money. Not one!
On the other hand, women outnumber men there by something like 3-1, so it's also the single best pickup city I've ever visited. I can see how they're related. I got an all nighter with a mid 30's MILF in town with friends for the cost of maybe a half dozen drinks. Tough to compete with that if you're a sex worker I guess.
Depends on what you are looking for and what you are willing to pay for it. I've mongered in dozens of cities so I'll give some of my observations.
If money is no object, then my favorite city for high end escorts is San Francisco. The hottest girl I've ever seen in the hobby (and maybe my life) I met there.
If value is the most important thing, then Tampa / Orlando has the best price / quality ratio.
If SW is your thing, then Houston currently has the most vibrant scene in the country.
If your passion is for BBFS, then Seattle had the market cornered. It's been totally normalized over there.
My favorite regional city for sex is St. Louis. Good value and nice variety. Milwaukee used to be better.
I haven't done Nashville myself yet but other people say it's on the rise. Louisville used to be really good, but meth has changed the dynamic a lot. It's gone from having a lot of mid scale pretty escorts to now having a lot of down scale addicts.
My overall favorite place to monger (in the country) is Vegas. Avoid the people handing out cards and use the message boards and you can find anything you want there. The two hottest escorts I've ever BBFSed were there, good high end options if you're in the mood, a lot of real strippers doing side hustles (be careful with that), the occasional broke cirque du soleil acrobat and even a good selection of regular girls who are single and lonely. I hooked up with my Uber driver there once after she spent the whole drive complaining about how hard it is to meet men.
Illinois Guy 7
05-31-22, 10:32
I am a fairly active Monger, seeing escorts most every week and often more than once a week.
I have learned to trust this forum above all else. I may miss out on a hotty now and then, but I tend to not get ripped off.
I am not going to join a verification site or use a burner phone as I have joint credit accounts with someone, but I do recommend those to anyone who can use such. I started out with some indy ladies and used them as references to agencies. My favorite agency to date was Touring Girls, with some of the hottest South Americans 350 can buy. But budget-minded, this forum also led me to Norridge Girls who were 200/ hrs. (Both are gone, saddly.) Asian Bunnies was a nice service, they are gone too.
I found Macie and still see her. Smoking hot, great location for me, follows my lead and provides all the stuff I like (DFK, great BLS, any positions I want, use of full hour for activity). She is high volume at 200/ hr but she always cleans between visitors. Macie takes breaks for over a month now and again.
Today, I am a member of MA (modelingave. Escortbook) and those ladies are great at 350, some better than others. One of my favorite ones was also indy- Moscow Marilyn (gone now). I got into Korean Palace and love that service, mostly hits with some misses, but even the misses are decent at 300/ hrs compared to taking chances with indies.
In short, recognize that everyone leaves and some encounters are better than others, so make the best of it. Rely on this forum, but read before you ask and the answer may already be there. Figure what works best for you. For me, it is agencies over indies.
I'd like to amend this. I spent a week in Nashville. A whole week. And the escort scene is the worst of any city I've ever visited. Truly awful. Every woman I tried to reach either never responded, responded days later, or ghosted me. In seven days I couldn't get one woman to take my money. Not one!
On the other hand, women outnumber men there by something like 3-1, so it's also the single best pickup city I've ever visited. I can see how they're related. I got an all nighter with a mid 30's MILF in town with friends for the cost of maybe a half dozen drinks. Tough to compete with that if you're a sex worker I guess.I've had several reverse gang bangs there!
I am a fairly active Monger, seeing escorts most every week and often more than once a week.
I have learned to trust this forum above all else. I may miss out on a hotty now and then, but I tend to not get ripped off.
I am not going to join a verification site or use a burner phone as I have joint credit accounts with someone, but I do recommend those to anyone who can use such. I started out with some indy ladies and used them as references to agencies. My favorite agency to date was Touring Girls, with some of the hottest South Americans 350 can buy. But budget-minded, this forum also led me to Norridge Girls who were 200/ hrs. (Both are gone, saddly.) Asian Bunnies was a nice service, they are gone too.
I found Macie and still see her. Smoking hot, great location for me, follows my lead and provides all the stuff I like (DFK, great BLS, any positions I want, use of full hour for activity). She is high volume at 200/ hr but she always cleans between visitors. Macie takes breaks for over a month now and again.
Today, I am a member of MA (modelingave. Escortbook) and those ladies are great at 350, some better than others. One of my favorite ones was also indy- Moscow Marilyn (gone now). I got into Korean Palace and love that service, mostly hits with some misses, but even the misses are decent at 300/ hrs compared to taking chances with indies.
In short, recognize that everyone leaves and some encounters are better than others, so make the best of it. Rely on this forum, but read before you ask and the answer may already be there. Figure what works best for you. For me, it is agencies over indies.Some of those waitresses were some of the most memorable experiences!
Illinois Guy 7
03-21-23, 20:04
In short, recognize that everyone leaves and some encounters are better than others, so make the best of it. Rely on this forum, but read before you ask and the answer may already be there. Figure what works best for you. For me, it is agencies over indies.I will probably end my mongering as it is getting out of hand, sometimes seeing ladies 4 times in a week. I have been spending all my money that would be above my retirement income, so I know I can afford retirement in my near future, but only by giving up this lifestyle.
Ladies should save their money and get out. I should get out and save my money.
There is always another smoking hot lady to arrive. Time to live on my memories and save my visiting of escorts for special occasions instead of a hobby like stamp collecting.
Bustdown Lover
03-21-23, 23:35
I'll preface this by saying to each his own, and different strokes (pun intended) for different folks. I'm not even really to active because I'm a busy man, nonetheless I learned my comfort level.
I don't fuck with hotels as it's to easy to get set up by cops and or robbers.
Find regulars, and treat them like human beings. Funny how so many of you guys always come with this "treat her well" talk. I just thought that's a given.
Do you're homework on the spot. Don't just pull up and jump out oblivious.
I'm not sending selfies, I'd / driver's license, proof of where I work, or any of the other bullshit these pimps and hoes ask for.
I am not paying these crazy prices of 500 and up. WTF do you people do for a living to be cool with spending that? LOL.
Get a burner or get extorted / harassed etc. Or at least don't have your name attached to the phone somehow Googleable.
Take mongers opinions with a grain of salt because YMMV. I can find beauty in any woman but, I always think it's funny when these woman get talked up then I meet them and am let down.
I can go on but, I won't. Be safe, and stay strapped brothers.
LongDStyle
03-22-23, 08:26
While I don't want to debate you on statistics, even though I disagree with your statements especially given this is your very first post, and somehow your trying to come in like an expert on the topic. The main point still stands even by your own standards, this hobby is risky. 95% effective, still means there's a 5% chance you will have bad luck and get infected. If you aren't willing to bet your health or possibly life altering life on that 5% then I say don't risk it. Barebacking is simply playing with fire, I don't understand how you have that categorized as low risk. Herpes 1 and 2 is the most common STD and it is not Curable, sure manageable with drugs but cold sores your mouth are going to be a ***** to explain to anybody your dating seriously.And still to this day that remains his only post. I guess he only made an account to disagree with you and post about it LOL.
OldSchoolGuy73
03-22-23, 12:23
I will probably end my mongering as it is getting out of hand, sometimes seeing ladies 4 times in a week. I have been spending all my money that would be above my retirement income, so I know I can afford retirement in my near future, but only by giving up this lifestyle.
Ladies should save their money and get out. I should get out and save my money.
There is always another smoking hot lady to arrive. Time to live on my memories and save my visiting of escorts for special occasions instead of a hobby like stamp collecting.I just keep getting drawn in. Started off with massage and happy endings shags to escorts and full service at spas. Taking a break for awhile but it's just a nice hobby especially the FS parlors where you get a massage, table shower, a BJ, then some sex with no strings attached. That's why Asian men are so damn calm and relaxed. Not out here trying to fall in love just using it before I can't use it anymore.
ReadyForRub
03-25-23, 22:09
Of the $60/ hr, with another $40 for a hand job. Some accommodated a "taste" because they liked it as much, if not more, than you. The north suburbs have become a wasteland, with a couple of over-priced spots in the Mt. Prospect area. RTFF diligently, and pick your locations knowing what's available.
AngelBravo
04-25-23, 02:02
So partaking in this mongering business for over 2 years now, there are a few things I've noticed about both the providers and myself.
1. Girls don't last very long, it's obvious that this job is mentally taxing and some girls who are especially just in it for the money will get their money and run. I see many of the same posts, she's very mechanical, she's mentally checked out, she gives fake moans. The truth is that she can't possibly enjoy having sex with every person she encounters and physically she has to be somewhat sore after the 3rd guy in the same day. Also some guys may be really rough with them, or try to slip it in without a condom putting them out of their comfort zone. What I've noticed is that I enjoy new girls that just stared in the business, they aren't as jaded but it will take as little as 2 weeks or 1 month for them to start changing. Some will quit even after the first day and others maybe weeks later, but it's rare to see a girl working for longer than 6 months. I have always had great service when I asked them upfront what they where comfortable with and wasn't. I also always asked them to tell me if they weren't comfortable about something that we forgot to discuss and I would immediately stop. Truthfully I had my own comfort list, like no kissing and always having a condom and no exchange of fluids so having this conversation in the beginning set the state for a agreeable and more comfortable situation for both of us.
2. I think going into mongering, you really need to know why your doing it. This mongering business isn't cheap. I'm clearly out thousands of dollars before I started and I've noticed that I sometimes get a Fear Of Missing Out feeling with some of these girls. I book the appointment and more often than not I walk away disappointment. Not only are the pics fake about 80% of the time, but for me, I really need to feel comfortable the girl is at least enjoying herself. Most of us want the girl to have fun and enjoy themselves as well as ourselves. However depending on the girl and the guy, because of these short 30-60 minute hookups it's almost impossible to get comfortable with one another and it makes more often than not a very uncomfortable situation. This is why sometimes 2nd visits are better, simply there is a sense of comfort between the 2 parties. I have noticed as well that some guys love the power they have over someone using sex. Maybe they like to talk dirty to her because in their personal lives they can't or something's missing that they are trying to fill it in with. The thing I keep asking myself is, when is this ever going to stop. Will I be doing this into my 70's. At some point you should figure out what your trying to get out of it because I feel, in the long term you're going to get burned, both financially and mentally and health wise.
3. By getting burned I mean that your either going to catch a non-curable STD the longer you stay in the game, you'll keep getting broke, or you might be in a mental loop unable to really see what your UN-fulfilled in life with that mongering is trying to replace. I'm writing this because I think I've realized more about myself and what I want out of this and it might be my time to leave.
I hope this blog stays up, I'm sure we will all one day find our end in this hobby; just know the longer you stay in it, the longer it will impact your life in a most likely negative fashion. It's fun to sleep with girls, and variety is nice but knowing what it is will always leave you UN-fulfilled and hoping for the next one. You might even find a girl you want to settle down with, but you've become a sex addict and need now a variety of woman to get a boner. It could really fuck you up, and you need to prepare for it similar to how some pornstars lose a part of their sexual drive. Another thing I want to discuss, is that, I think we all have that one ATF girl where we get hooked. She leaves and we keep looking for another girl to replace her; we might find her but it doesn't last long and we are always chasing the carrot. The truth is those girls leave because it was their time to leave and at some point it will be your time as well.
Some call this a hobby but it's really just a sexual struggle with yourself that you need to understand to get better and figure out what you really are trying to get out of it. Other hobbies won't get you arrested or drastically change your life, like this one. As long as it's illegal and with health concerns you are never going to be safe.
I will say that there was 2 months where I stayed low, and didn't see anyone but work on myself working out and doing other things I loved. It was at this moment that I realized what truly made me happy and what I wasn't happy about and I needed to focus on and fix. Mongering was the band-aid solution to that problem and although I never took on risks I wasn't comfortable with, I feel blessed I can walk away from this without feeling it affected me negatively too much. Still got my good bill of health and I feel mentally stronger for going through it.
Stay safe and know if you ever start having the same thoughts as myself, you aren't alone and it might be your time to quit or keep going if you really feel this is something you can't live without. Like anything you do in life don't let it take over your finances and mental well being and stay healthy. Adios.
UBeMyFriend99
04-25-23, 03:05
A lot of what you expressed I can empathize with. Some of which is a reflection of my own thoughts. It's hard to escape once you get in. I don't smoke, barely drink or use recreational drugs of any sort but this has the potential to do just as much damage or worse in many ways. I think the psychological toll can be significant at times. Thank you for writing this and seeking to better yourself.
So partaking in this mongering business for over 2 years now, there are a few things I've noticed about both the providers and myself. Thank you for writing this and also for seeking to better yourself.
1. Girls don't last very long, it's obvious that this job is mentally taxing and some girls who are especially just in it for the money will get their money and run. I see many of the same posts, she's very mechanical, she's mentally checked out, she gives fake moans. The truth is that she can't possibly enjoy having sex with every person she encounters and physically she has to be somewhat sore after the 3rd guy in the same day. Also some guys may be really rough with them, or try to slip it in without a condom putting them out of their comfort zone. What I've noticed is that I enjoy new girls that just stared in the business, they aren't as jaded but it will take as little as 2 weeks or 1 month for them to start changing. Some will quit even after the first day and others maybe weeks later, but it's rare to see a girl working for longer than 6 months. I have always had great service when I asked them upfront what they where comfortable with and wasn't. I also always asked them to tell me if they weren't comfortable about something that we forgot to discuss and I would immediately stop. Truthfully I had my own comfort list, like no kissing and always having a condom and no exchange of fluids so having this conversation in the beginning set the state for a agreeable and more comfortable situation for both of us.
2. I think going into mongering, you really need to know why your doing it. This mongering business isn't cheap. I'm clearly out thousands of dollars before I started and I've noticed that I sometimes get a Fear Of Missing Out feeling with some of these girls. I book the appointment and more often than not I walk away disappointment. Not only are the pics fake about 80% of the time, but for me, I really need to feel comfortable the girl is at least enjoying herself. Most of us want the girl to have fun and enjoy themselves as well as ourselves. However depending on the girl and the guy, because of these short 30-60 minute hookups it's almost impossible to get comfortable with one another and it makes more often than not a very uncomfortable situation. This is why sometimes 2nd visits are better, simply there is a sense of comfort between the 2 parties. I have noticed as well that some guys love the power they have over someone using sex. Maybe they like to talk dirty to her because in their personal lives they can't or something's missing that they are trying to fill it in with. The thing I keep asking myself is, when is this ever going to stop. Will I be doing this into my 70's. At some point you should figure out what your trying to get out of it because I feel, in the long term you're going to get burned, both financially and mentally and health wise.
3. By getting burned I mean that your either going to catch a non-curable STD the longer you stay in the game, you'll keep getting broke, or you might be in a mental loop unable to really see what your UN-fulfilled in life with that mongering is trying to replace. I'm writing this because I think I've realized more about myself and what I want out of this and it might be my time to leave.
I hope this blog stays up, I'm sure we will all one day find our end in this hobby; just know the longer you stay in it, the longer it will impact your life in a most likely negative fashion. It's fun to sleep with girls, and variety is nice but knowing what it is will always leave you UN-fulfilled and hoping for the next one. You might even find a girl you want to settle down with, but you've become a sex addict and need now a variety of woman to get a boner. It could really fuck you up, and you need to prepare for it similar to how some pornstars lose a part of their sexual drive. Another thing I want to discuss, is that, I think we all have that one ATF girl where we get hooked. She leaves and we keep looking for another girl to replace her; we might find her but it doesn't last long and we are always chasing the carrot. The truth is those girls leave because it was their time to leave and at some point it will be your time as well.
Some call this a hobby but it's really just a sexual struggle with yourself that you need to understand to get better and figure out what you really are trying to get out of it. Other hobbies won't get you arrested or drastically change your life, like this one. As long as it's illegal and with health concerns you are never going to be safe.
I will say that there was 2 months where I stayed low, and didn't see anyone but work on myself working out and doing other things I loved. It was at this moment that I realized what truly made me happy and what I wasn't happy about and I needed to focus on and fix. Mongering was the band-aid solution to that problem and although I never took on risks I wasn't comfortable with, I feel blessed I can walk away from this without feeling it affected me negatively too much. Still got my good bill of health and I feel mentally stronger for going through it.
Stay safe and know if you ever start having the same thoughts as myself, you aren't alone and it might be your time to quit or keep going if you really feel this is something you can't live without. Like anything you do in life don't let it take over your finances and mental well being and stay healthy. Adios..
Illinois Guy 7
04-25-23, 09:43
It's fun to sleep with girls, and variety is nice but knowing what it is will always leave you UN-fulfilled and hoping for the next one. You might even find a girl you want to settle down with, but you've become a sex addict and need now a variety of woman to get a boner. It could really fuck you up, and you need to prepare for it similar to how some pornstars lose a part of their sexual drive. Another thing I want to discuss, is that, I think we all have that one ATF girl where we get hooked. She leaves and we keep looking for another girl to replace her; we might find her but it doesn't last long and we are always chasing the carrot. The truth is those girls leave because it was their time to leave and at some point it will be your time as well.
This is very helpful, especially the part I left in the quote above.
I have found that ATF lady and was hooked for awhile until she left. A few stayed and yet, I still moved on myself. One agency lady from a rotating ladies agency saw me 18 months prior and called me a **** for having to keep checking out the new ladies that come around.
Chasing the carrot now, I am sure I will cut down and probably totally leave the hobby soon. Instead of feeling unfulfilled, I think I can manage to look back with fond memories of how I have had sex with some super-hot women. I will leave with the "It's fun to sleep with girls. ".
So partaking in this mongering business for over 2 years now, there are a few things I've noticed about both the providers and myself.
1. Girls don't last very long, it's obvious that this job is mentally taxing and some girls who are especially just in it for the money will get their money and run. I see many of the same posts, she's very mechanical, she's mentally checked out, she gives fake moans. The truth is that she can't possibly enjoy having sex with every person she encounters and physically she has to be somewhat sore after the 3rd guy in the same day. Also some guys may be really rough with them, or try to slip it in without a condom putting them out of their comfort zone. What I've noticed is that I enjoy new girls that just stared in the business, they aren't as jaded but it will take as little as 2 weeks or 1 month for them to start changing. Some will quit even after the first day and others maybe weeks later, but it's rare to see a girl working for longer than 6 months. I have always had great service when I asked them upfront what they where comfortable with and wasn't. I also always asked them to tell me if they weren't comfortable about something that we forgot to discuss and I would immediately stop. Truthfully I had my own comfort list, like no kissing and always having a condom and no exchange of fluids so having this conversation in the beginning set the state for a agreeable and more comfortable situation for both of us.
2. I think going into mongering, you really need to know why your doing it. This mongering business isn't cheap. I'm clearly out thousands of dollars before I started and I've noticed that I sometimes get a Fear Of Missing Out feeling with some of these girls. I book the appointment and more often than not I walk away disappointment. Not only are the pics fake about 80% of the time, but for me, I really need to feel comfortable the girl is at least enjoying herself. Most of us want the girl to have fun and enjoy themselves as well as ourselves. However depending on the girl and the guy, because of these short 30-60 minute hookups it's almost impossible to get comfortable with one another and it makes more often than not a very uncomfortable situation. This is why sometimes 2nd visits are better, simply there is a sense of comfort between the 2 parties. I have noticed as well that some guys love the power they have over someone using sex. Maybe they like to talk dirty to her because in their personal lives they can't or something's missing that they are trying to fill it in with. The thing I keep asking myself is, when is this ever going to stop. Will I be doing this into my 70's. At some point you should figure out what your trying to get out of it because I feel, in the long term you're going to get burned, both financially and mentally and health wise.
3. By getting burned I mean that your either going to catch a non-curable STD the longer you stay in the game, you'll keep getting broke, or you might be in a mental loop unable to really see what your UN-fulfilled in life with that mongering is trying to replace. I'm writing this because I think I've realized more about myself and what I want out of this and it might be my time to leave..I have been paying for sex around 30 years and I don't plan to stop. There is a lot of truth in what you say but I guess I am wired different. I love the variety. Even in high school when I was truly in love and a teenage and could get hard anytime even after masturbating sometimes I could not cum with my girlfriend. This happened after we been seeing each other over a year. I guess I grew "bored" with her even though she was gorgeous sweet and everything you would want for a girlfriend / wife. I needed the variety. Of course I was young and didn't understand this and I just stop masturbating before we had sex which "fixed" the problem but I was always looking. I was in my early 20's and married to someone else when I first paid for a blowjob from a streetwalker. It was great and the butterflies in my stomach I had picking her up hooked me. I could have my variety and didn't have to worry about dating someone and all that bullshit that went along with it. But as I said, I am wired different.
B.
MikeIsHome
04-25-23, 11:10
.... Some call this a hobby but it's really just a sexual struggle with yourself that you need to understand to get better and figure out what you really are trying to get out of it.True. Thanks for writing; enjoyed reading.
So partaking in this mongering business for over 2 years now, there are a few things I've noticed about both the providers and myself.
Stay safe and know if you ever start having the same thoughts as myself, you aren't alone and it might be your time to quit or keep going if you really feel this is something you can't live without. Like anything you do in life don't let it take over your finances and mental well being and stay healthy. Adios.Great thoughts and its good we have this place to unload some our soul searching with like minded people. Here's some of my thoughts after decades of doing this through lots of phases of life.
First, there's no argument that a good sexual experience with someone new is one of life's real thrills, and its hard to imagine denying or depriving that.
That being said, it can also definitely be a slippery slope into negative and dangerous territory. I have a few warning signs I've learned in myself that are signals its time to take a break or slow down drastically:
* Looking to hobby when you're not really horny, trying to compensate for another recent bad session, or because you feel like you have to have it on a certain schedule. This would be the equivalent of 'chasing the high' in other types of addictions. It will lead to cycles of over spending, taking more risks, and a spiral of not very satisfying experiences.
* Doing it in search of a real connection. Yes, it can and does happen, but its not the norm and rarely is going to happen when you're looking for it. It doesn't mean you want cold, transactional, encounters, but if you're expecting to make a real friend or start an ongoing relationship every time you knock on a new door, you're going to be left feeling even more empty and depressed. Which leads into the next point.
* Not seeing the girls as they are. The best providers will present themselves well and put you at ease, and we all want to believe the myth of the well adjusted, healthy girl just doing this to make a few extra bucks for college, but we all mostly know the reality. The vast majority of these girls are very damaged, whether its from addiction, mental illness, lack of any kind of family support or guidance, bad luck & decisions, etc. If you do get an exception to my point above and get a look behind the curtain at their real lives, your image of the fun companion will be shattered and you'll likely end up with a very troubled person in your life. The fallout from this can range from just sad to dangerous, if they decide that your support and / or money is the answer to their problems.
* Taking new risks to make things more exciting or to compensate for FOMO from reading this board. If you've decided that for your life situation, covered activities in decent locations with well researched & reviewed providers are the risk parameters that let you do this with the best feeling, then don't feel like you have to try BBFS in a crackhouse to keep up with some of the other guys here.
Hopefully you'll find the right balance for you to enjoy this kind of thing & have it still feel like a positive part of your life, and if you can't then of course hope you find the willpower to walk away and move on.
DivingDeep70
04-25-23, 15:28
So partaking in this mongering business for over 2 years now, there are a few things I've noticed about both the providers and myself.
1. Girls don't last very long, it's obvious that this job is mentally taxing and some girls who are especially just in it for the money will get their money and run. I see many of the same posts, she's very mechanical, she's mentally checked out, she gives fake moans. The truth is that she can't possibly enjoy having sex with every person she encounters and physically she has to be somewhat sore after the 3rd guy in the same day. Also some guys may be really rough with them, or try to slip it in without a condom putting them out of their comfort zone. What I've noticed is that I enjoy new girls that just stared in the business, they aren't as jaded but it will take as little as 2 weeks or 1 month for them to start changing. Some will quit even after the first day and others maybe weeks later, but it's rare to see a girl working for longer than 6 months. I have always had great service when I asked them upfront what they where comfortable with and wasn't. I also always asked them to tell me if they weren't comfortable about something that we forgot to discuss and I would immediately stop. Truthfully I had my own comfort list, like no kissing and always having a condom and no exchange of fluids so having this conversation in the beginning set the state for a agreeable and more comfortable situation for both of us.
2. I think going into mongering, you really need to know why your doing it. This mongering business isn't cheap. I'm clearly out thousands of dollars before I started and I've noticed that I sometimes get a Fear Of Missing Out feeling with some of these girls. I book the appointment and more often than not I walk away disappointment...I appreciate the thoughts, you are on to something. Let's face it, we are sex addicts no different than any other addiction but harder to cure. People can justify what we do in so many ways but it is sex addiction in many forms. 2 years ago, after decades of this hobby and lots of $$$ spent and many experiences and so many girls I can't even count, I finally went to therapy for well over a year, met others like me, got better after a lot of struggle but some deep emotional catharsis. But you have to stay with it otherwise here I am 3 years later hobbying again. It's almost worse now because I know what I know. I'm not as bad as I was at certain times. But I still enjoy an encounter with the right girl once because that thrill of sex with someone new and in my case younger and hot just satisfies a deep rooted fantasy or issue I'm struggling with since I started this hobby. I've decided to at least limit my encounters only to a particular profile. I'm in and out and done. Nothing more. Maybe that will help transition as I age too. I don't want to keep doing this forever.
This is very helpful, especially the part I left in the quote above.
I have found that ATF lady and was hooked for awhile until she left. A few stayed and yet, I still moved on myself. One agency lady from a rotating ladies agency saw me 18 months prior and called me a **** for having to keep checking out the new ladies that come around.
Chasing the carrot now, I am sure I will cut down and probably totally leave the hobby soon. Instead of feeling unfulfilled, I think I can manage to look back with fond memories of how I have had sex with some super-hot women. I will leave with the "It's fun to sleep with girls. ".There is some truth in that lengthy post, but one must remember that everyone's situation is different. Some of us are married, have a girlfriend, divorced or single. And of course all different ages. When I first started this hobby it is was about 12 years after I broke up with a longtime girlfriend. At first living so close to O'Hare I was like a kid in a candy store, seeing at LEAST one girl a week (local or touring). For the most part I saw agency girls but also a few reliable independents too. And I did it all threesomes etc. I'd say after about three years of that, I began to get burned out and was down to maybe one or two girls a month for several years. And then it was one girl a month tops. For me seeing girls under 30 just made me feel young and was probably the main reason I kept at it for so long; but I reached a point before covid that I no longer felt I Needed to see any provider. Some of those memories though and I just think back and smile, but knowing I'm never going back to that level of this lifestyle. So here I am now in 2023 perfectly happy to date woman my age (50's) and if I ever feel the urge to reach out to an agency I will, but thus far that has not been the case this year.
AngelBravo
04-25-23, 23:27
I think it's important to discuss these topics and not hide them like they don't exist. It's obvious we are all experiencing similar feelings and as someone put it similar addictions.
The biggest one for me really was asking myself, do I really want to keep doing this for decades. It's a strange idea when you realize your penis can dictate your life choices and when you start to see it for what it is, which is a sex addiction it becomes clear that I need to understand it fully before I let it consume myself. You should always be in control and the moment, it's directing your life it should be a red flag that you should take control back into your life. For some people that's a sobriety coin, for the fear that they know within themselves they know their addictions too well and this is the only way; I only hope that for many of us, we all walk away with fond memories and not painful ones about the one that gave you a STD or ruined your relationships with the people you love or ever worst severely shortened your life.
Your life is a story, and you are the author make it a good one and be proud of the chapters in your life. End it on a high note, not one where you lost control of the ship and crashed and sank in the middle of the ocean alone and unhappy.
I think it's important to discuss these topics and not hide them like they don't exist. It's obvious we are all experiencing similar feelings and as someone put it similar addictions.
The biggest one for me really was asking myself, do I really want to keep doing this for decades. It's a strange idea when you realize your penis can dictate your life choices and when you start to see it for what it is, which is a sex addiction it becomes clear that I need to understand it fully before I let it consume myself. You should always be in control and the moment, it's directing your life it should be a red flag that you should take control back into your life. For some people that's a sobriety coin, for the fear that they know within themselves they know their addictions too well and this is the only way; I only hope that for many of us, we all walk away with fond memories and not painful ones about the one that gave you a STD or ruined your relationships with the people you love or ever worst severely shortened your life.
Your life is a story, and you are the author make it a good one and be proud of the chapters in your life. End it on a high note, not one where you lost control of the ship and crashed and sank in the middle of the ocean alone and unhappy.The happiest people in this hobby have found a real match between what they want and what they get. A lot of guys who you see are jaded on the board complain about transactional sex where they come in, put the money on the table, bend the girl over and then leave a few minutes later. I can see how that can burn guys out. But they don't want to spend more than $100 so that's what they get.
I asked myself going in what exactly do I want out of this and can I get it? For me, I do like trying to find a real connection. I don't always manage to do it, but the best experiences are like that. I genuinely enjoy meeting new women, seducing / being seduced, creating a bond, and having better sex because of it. There really is an emotional component to it more than the physical that I love the most. But I appreciate that different men have different motivations and not all of those motivations last forever.
This isn't an addiction for me, it's a passion. It truly is something I Iook forward to doing whenever I'm able and I'll probably always be in it to some degree or other.
The happiest people in this hobby have found a real match between what they want and what they get. A lot of guys who you see are jaded on the board complain about transactional sex where they come in, put the money on the table, bend the girl over and then leave a few minutes later. I can see how that can burn guys out. But they don't want to spend more than $100 so that's what they get.
I asked myself going in what exactly do I want out of this and can I get it? For me, I do like trying to find a real connection. I don't always manage to do it, but the best experiences are like that. I genuinely enjoy meeting new women, seducing / being seduced, creating a bond, and having better sex because of it. There really is an emotional component to it more than the physical that I love the most. But I appreciate that different men have different motivations and not all of those motivations last forever.
This isn't an addiction for me, it's a passion. It truly is something I Iook forward to doing whenever I'm able and I'll probably always be in it to some degree or other.I'm very new to the hobby. About a year in. Meaning seeing providers not SW's which I would do when I was younger. Got scared straight when I found a pipe in my car the next morning cleaning out my car. And almost being robbed.
Started to see girls again last year. I started because I wanted 2 things.
1) the PSE.
2) being able to recreate that time when you first meet someone and you bang all day.
3) being with girls I couldn't normally pull at a bar or something.
That's why I don't go for girls off of Babylon, listcrawler etc.
I wasn't into having a "connection" with at first. I was going through girls and maybe getting the PSE.
That changed when I met with a girl in LV. Found out when I connected with her I got much better service and we did things not on her menu. And that continued with the next and the next.
Heck a connection I had had led me to be verified with an agency that's notorious for not letting new people in.
What I'm trying to say is I've gotten to a point where I don't mind paying 500-700. Because I can get 9-10's, in my book, and get everything listed above.
Now I'm finally feel like I'm accomplishing what I first set out to do.
Now I looking for girls from different backgrounds LOL.
DivingDeep70
04-26-23, 12:57
The happiest people in this hobby have found a real match between what they want and what they get. A lot of guys who you see are jaded on the board complain about transactional sex where they come in, put the money on the table, bend the girl over and then leave a few minutes later. I can see how that can burn guys out. But they don't want to spend more than $100 so that's what they get.
I asked myself going in what exactly do I want out of this and can I get it? For me, I do like trying to find a real connection. I don't always manage to do it, but the best experiences are like that. I genuinely enjoy meeting new women, seducing / being seduced, creating a bond, and having better sex because of it. There really is an emotional component to it more than the physical that I love the most. But I appreciate that different men have different motivations and not all of those motivations last forever.
This isn't an addiction for me, it's a passion. It truly is something I Iook forward to doing whenever I'm able and I'll probably always be in it to some degree or other.This connection is not Real! I don't know a single provider who develops a real connection. Just read the thousands of posts on their Twitter and reviews. They are acting for money, period. If they have a relationship, it's not a customer it's outside. The best ones fool you into thinking you have a connection because that means more money from you to fund what they do for real. You are a customer, never fool yourself otherwise, that's you penis thinking. They could give a shit about you beyond the transaction. Don't believe me, ask them to do it for free.
Now the good ones will make you feel connected if that is what they know you want. And as a person they may actually enjoy your company compared to say the random one and done customer etc. BUT they are not connected to you and there's almost NEVER a relationship beuknd money and even those that actually find their fish, well think about it, how long will that really last? She fucked guys for money so you better either have a gravy train that doesn't run out or it's a question of time before she dumps you and goes looking again. Or if you dump her, she will look again. Nothing genuine.
I'm not preaching but Goodluck and enjoy your journey, just do it eyes wide open.
Illinois Guy 7
04-26-23, 18:02
This connection is not Real! I don't know a single provider who develops a real connection. Just read the thousands of posts on their Twitter and reviews. They are acting for money, period. If they have a relationship, it's not a customer it's outside. The best ones fool you into thinking you have a connection because that means more money from you to fund what they do for real. You are a customer, never fool yourself otherwise, that's you penis thinking. They could give a shit about you beyond the transaction. Don't believe me, ask them to do it for free.
Now the good ones will make you feel connected if that is what they know you want. And as a person they may actually enjoy your company compared to say the random one and done customer etc. BUT they are not connected to you and there's almost NEVER a relationship beuknd money and even those that actually find their fish, well think about it, how long will that really last? She fucked guys for money so you better either have a gravy train that doesn't run out or it's a question of time before she dumps you and goes looking again. Or if you dump her, she will look again. Nothing genuine.
I'm not preaching but Goodluck and enjoy your journey, just do it eyes wide open.Yes, Yes, Yes!
I had some great sex because, one provider, she wanted me to think there was a real connection. I went along but never really believed it was real. She got to the point where she was telling me all kinds of personal things going on with her, a willingness to do role playing and BBFS. As real as it seemed, one time the $50 bills stuck together and she texted me about how we had such a great understanding, but I shorted her $50. There's your wake-up call if you think it was a real connection. I went a while longer, allowing her to give apology sex that was awesome, but for all I had done for her, all the money over time, she got upset over $50 one time because she didn't look carefully in the envelope. I knew it wasn't real, but I made plans to move on back to strangers and agency girls I only see once in a while.
Yes, Yes, Yes!
I had some great sex because, one provider, she wanted me to think there was a real connection. I went along but never really believed it was real. She got to the point where she was telling me all kinds of personal things going on with her, a willingness to do role playing and BBFS. As real as it seemed, one time the $50 bills stuck together and she texted me about how we had such a great understanding, but I shorted her $50. There's your wake-up call if you think it was a real connection. I went a while longer, allowing her to give apology sex that was awesome, but for all I had done for her, all the money over time, she got upset over $50 one time because she didn't look carefully in the envelope. I knew it wasn't real, but I made plans to move on back to strangers and agency girls I only see once in a while.I know its a fake connection. But I like to play around like it is. In my limited experience it has lead to a better session. Thats what I mean.
I treat them well but have no qualms about telling to f*ck off if needed, which I did just yesterday.
I know its a fake connection. But I like to play around like it is. In my limited experience it has lead to a better session. Thats what I mean.
I treat them well but have no qualms about telling to f*ck off if needed, which I did just yesterday.How much it cost you? It had been $$ big money guys with money burn on ugly scabs on skip who worth little, ruin it for everyone else, you find little for $100, worthless scabs on skip well turn offers down.
This connection is not Real! I don't know a single provider who develops a real connection.
I'm not preaching but Goodluck and enjoy your journey, just do it eyes wide open.That's a jaded way of looking at it. I very much believe you can create a real connection with a sex worker. And I do, often. A connection doesn't have to mean she's going to leave her life behind and move on with you (I wouldn't want that anyway). A connection can be something as simple as an easy, fun, flowing conversation where you have a genuinely good time, learn something fun or new and think back fondly. And if you become a regular, it continues to build. You can build a connection with anybody. Your Uber driver, mailman, airplane passenger next to you. It doesn't have to be romantic, but it can still be real, even if it's ultimately business.
Trouble starts not when you believe in real connections with a sex worker, it's when you stop believing in it. They're still people in the end, and can still be emotionally engaged like anybody else.
AngelBravo
04-26-23, 23:17
I will agree with some of you here, that the best sessions I had was when I had a mutual respectful conversation with the providers. This might be because she found you somewhat attractive, sweet, or you simply always treated her with respect and over time you where a customer she never minded seeing. I had that with Dana who gave L1 and a massage. I actually know her real name and at some point she said it was a bit akward since we got to know each other on a personal level it was a bit more than just seeing a customer. Eventually she recommended that I don't visit her anymore because she knew this was something I wasn't fully built for. She honestly gave wonderful massages with amazing L1 and honestly that's all I wanted from her; but I agree it was starting to feel like I was seeing an old friend and at the same time she felt like I needed to move on to better things because it was obvious she was starting not to like the job and attributing me to the job was also starting to sour our mutual relationship.
I think that was a rare experience however, and I don't foresee it happening again; I think we where just very similar and I met her when she just started and in another timeline maybe she would have been someone I dated. Every other girl I met in this hobby wasn't like that at all and I was fine with it. It is a simple transaction, she wants money and you want pleasure; there is absolutely nothing more that she needs from you and honestly vice versa. You want to have a good time, and hope she enjoys it too but that's just not always possible especially because she see's so many men in a day / week / month. Imagine you worked at a restaurant and you had to build a tight relationship with any random stranger that walks through the door. It's just not going to happen and if you do it long enough your going to stop caring as much and just want to get it over with. You understand that customer service keeps you in business but at some point you'll stop caring too and just want to walk away and not care about the money either and move onto something else. I feel for girls, their experience is similar.
In the end, whatever floats your boat to have a wonderful time while respecting the lady is fair game; but don't get jaded into thinking it's nothing more than a sexual transaction. Money for Pleasure nothing more, nothing less.
OldSchoolGuy73
04-28-23, 15:10
That's a jaded way of looking at it. I very much believe you can create a real connection with a sex worker. And I do, often. A connection doesn't have to mean she's going to leave her life behind and move on with you (I wouldn't want that anyway). A connection can be something as simple as an easy, fun, flowing conversation where you have a genuinely good time, learn something fun or new and think back fondly. And if you become a regular, it continues to build. You can build a connection with anybody. Your Uber driver, mailman, airplane passenger next to you. It doesn't have to be romantic, but it can still be real, even if it's ultimately business.
Trouble starts not when you believe in real connections with a sex worker, it's when you stop believing in it. They're still people in the end, and can still be emotionally engaged like anybody else.I've been at a whole week straight and saw this thread when needed to be seen. It's an addiction, and I've been doing this now for 20 yrs started 10 yrs ago with girls off back page and Craigslist and quit for awhile due to kids sports then started back about 2 yrs after first dabbing in AMPs and right back to escorts. Wasn't sure what it was I was looking for because sometimes you'd nut and have that moment of regret of why did I just blow my money and do this when my partner is a hot MILF, at least 8/9 with big tits but to each his own fetish and for me it's I liked to be touched. Anyone can fuck but how many know what it feels like to be massaged all over and caressed then get a blow job right after and maybe a little sex on top. Twice this week I had that orgasm where your soul leaves your body after your nut. I know at home I won't be able to get a BBBJ and blow my load in her mouth and would I want to IDK. Also as men we come to a stage in our life where we are getting older and start to lose our sexual energy and I don't want to ever. Will be trying to take a break for awhile I'd hate to lose what I have currently in life but part of me wants to so I can enjoy the freedom and not worry about it. I will still get a normal massage no frills and maybe a hot 9/10 on a special occasion wish me luck. I still Enjoy a lot of these posts on this site.
This connection is not Real! I don't know a single provider who develops a real connection. Just read the thousands of posts on their Twitter and reviews. They are acting for money, period. If they have a relationship, it's not a customer it's outside. The best ones fool you into thinking you have a connection because that means more money from you to fund what they do for real. You are a customer, never fool yourself otherwise, that's you penis thinking. They could give a shit about you beyond the transaction. Don't believe me, ask them to do it for free.
Now the good ones will make you feel connected if that is what they know you want. And as a person they may actually enjoy your company compared to say the random one and done customer etc. BUT they are not connected to you and there's almost NEVER a relationship beuknd money and even those that actually find their fish, well think about it, how long will that really last? She fucked guys for money so you better either have a gravy train that doesn't run out or it's a question of time before she dumps you and goes looking again. Or if you dump her, she will look again. Nothing genuine.
I'm not preaching but Goodluck and enjoy your journey, just do it eyes wide open.Good post. Always remember you're just a good customer when you feel a connection and enjoy the illusion for the moment.
The Styx CD "Grand Illusion" seems appropriate during this current topic of conversation.
GeneralObvious
05-01-23, 06:42
They are very real. When I first ventured into this hobby, I started with AMPs, then moved to higher end escorts. I speak fluent Mandarin. My wife was Chinese. Thus, I can connect to spa gals very easily. Despite being over 50, I've stayed in great shape. At 6'1" and 185 lbs, I'm very fit, still attractive, with only a hint of gray in my beard. It helps to have a personality.
As I read forum posts, it appears many guys think providers are barely human. Sad. That attitude gets you nowhere. In my 6 years of mongering, I've been invited out by more than a dozen spa girls, and they pay for dinner. They're not looking for marriage either. We have sex with no payment exchanged.
Get away from the one dimensional transaction mindset, and things will look better. They're women. They like companionship, affection, and sex, just like everybody.
Personally, I enjoy being able to get nude and have a woman with a great body get nude and massage me and rub over me and jump on me and fuck her without having to make a connection. I don't care if connections could be made or not, I appreciate not having to have one to have a wonderful time fucking someone. Its not difficult for me to respect the woman as a person and respect her as well by not forcing her to humor my need for a "connection" in order for me to enjoy sex with her.
It's all part of the game. An escort will make you feel like you have a connection with her to keep you as a repeat client.
Sounds like some of you guys are taking this connection thing a bit more beyond than what it is.
I've literally dated a few sex workers (as in no money exchanged beyond me paying for dates, we were a regular couple), so I know for a fact that most of them are regular people who are perfectly capable of a connection if you put in the effort and it matters to you. I do wonder how many johns are capable of it, though. The same way there are some sex workers who have become jaded by the business and have come to hate men, there are a lot of men here who have also become jaded and lost a sense of wonder and fun. That's what I was talking about earlier when I said there are some men who see this as a passion and others as a compulsion or addiction.
I still see this as a passion and I hope I always will.
As long as you're in control of the hobby and the hobby isn't in control of you, have fun.
ChicagoBred33
05-03-23, 19:23
I've literally dated a few sex workers (as in no money exchanged beyond me paying for dates, we were a regular couple), so I know for a fact that most of them are regular people who are perfectly capable of a connection if you put in the effort and it matters to you. I do wonder how many johns are capable of it, though. The same way there are some sex workers who have become jaded by the business and have come to hate men, there are a lot of men here who have also become jaded and lost a sense of wonder and fun. That's what I was talking about earlier when I said there are some men who see this as a passion and others as a compulsion or addiction.
I still see this as a passion and I hope I always will.
As long as you're in control of the hobby and the hobby isn't in control of you, have fun.Can echo this sentiment. Being in the general age ranges of most providers opens up chance encounters via dating apps, bars, etc. I've also been fortunate enough to date a few completely outside this hobby. They are regular people with their own needs regardless of what character they play during the day. I've seen plenty of guys on this board bash workers for having mental issues or a screw loose and sure that's probably true in some cases, but I have always had a great time with them outside the hobby and never once felt hustled, pressed for money, or taken advantage of. The resounding theme was that the majority of men within the hobby treat them like shit or cross boundaries, which in turn leads to them becoming jaded or just not giving a fuck about the service. A little respect goes a long way.
MikeJones333
05-03-23, 21:56
I've literally dated a few sex workers (as in no money exchanged beyond me paying for dates, we were a regular couple), so I know for a fact that most of them are regular people who are perfectly capable of a connection if you put in the effort and it matters to you. I do wonder how many johns are capable of it, though. The same way there are some sex workers who have become jaded by the business and have come to hate men, there are a lot of men here who have also become jaded and lost a sense of wonder and fun. That's what I was talking about earlier when I said there are some men who see this as a passion and others as a compulsion or addiction.
I still see this as a passion and I hope I always will.
As long as you're in control of the hobby and the hobby isn't in control of you, have fun.Kudos for dating some and getting free sex but when you say "dating" do you just mean a friends with benefits type of deal. I don't know about you but I can't imagine "dating" a girl who's taking down 8-10 dicks a day. I know it's different strokes for different folks but for me this would ruin it mentally and could never take her seriously or date her.
Kudos for getting free sexThere's always a cost for sex. Money and whatever benefit or gain she gets from a guy. Guys always pay for sex in one form or another. In this pay to play game it's money. There's no such thing as free sex.
Kudos for dating some and getting free sex but when you say "dating" do you just mean a friends with benefits type of deal. I don't know about you but I can't imagine "dating" a girl who's taking down 8-10 dicks a day. I know it's different strokes for different folks but for me this would ruin it mentally and could never take her seriously or date her.I'd feel like a hypocrite if I judged a sex worker for being a sex worker considering I'm a hobbyist. Each time I dated one we broke up for reasons unrelated to the job and it never got to the "what's commitment look like" point. But with one girl she told me the only rule was to stop seeing anybody else at the place where she worked because she didn't want other girls to weaponize that against her if they found out we were an item.
DivingDeep70
05-04-23, 08:17
I've literally dated a few sex workers (as in no money exchanged beyond me paying for dates, we were a regular couple), so I know for a fact that most of them are regular people who are perfectly capable of a connection if you put in the effort and it matters to you. I do wonder how many johns are capable of it, though. The same way there are some sex workers who have become jaded by the business and have come to hate men, there are a lot of men here who have also become jaded and lost a sense of wonder and fun. That's what I was talking about earlier when I said there are some men who see this as a passion and others as a compulsion or addiction.
I still see this as a passion and I hope I always will.
As long as you're in control of the hobby and the hobby isn't in control of you, have fun.Not challenging what you and someone else claim to have successfully done. Human or not human, these are not relationships and they are never going to work out. The mind can make you believe whatever you want to believe but in the end it's not real and it's not healthy and it will never be except in prob some fractional number of circumstances in which case I'm better off buying lotto tickets. Just sayin.
But have fun with it and do what you like and enjoy. It's still an addiction no matter what disguise it wears.
I'd feel like a hypocrite if I judged a sex worker for being a sex worker considering I'm a hobbyist. Each time I dated one we broke up for reasons unrelated to the job and it never got to the "what's commitment look like" point. But with one girl she told me the only rule was to stop seeing anybody else at the place where she worked because she didn't want other girls to weaponize that against her if they found out we were an item.That girl put into words my unorganized thoughts. I really wouldn't care if I dated a sex worker or if my wife was sleeping around because she, like me, wanted variety. I am lucky she doesn't because what would bother me if someone I knew through work or friends or family would throw it in my face that they just banged my wife or girlfriend. Even though I like to sample different women I would never want it thrown in my wife's face. That is just rude.
Isn't funny how my mind works? It would be okay to be in an open relationship or date a sex worker but nobody at work should be standing around telling everyone how they banged someone I am involved with. I guess because it's a form of bullying? I guess in my mind it's okay to cheat but not okay to bully. LOL.
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AngelBravo
05-05-23, 01:42
There's always a cost for sex. Money and whatever benefit or gain she gets from a guy. Guys always pay for sex in one form or another. In this pay to play game it's money. There's no such thing as free sex.There is wife / gf / friend, heavily discounted, emotional, meaningful, physically gratifying, loving sex; or there is Paid sexual physical gratification sex. I think we can all agree on the one that comes with more perks.
There is wife / gf / friend, heavily discounted, emotional, meaningful, physically gratifying, loving sex; or there is Paid sexual physical gratification sex. I think we can all agree on the one that comes with more perks.You're paying one way or another, if it's a casual thing and you have to text back and forth and talk to her about BS before the date you're paying for it in time. I'm married and believe me I'm paying for it with the BS events I have to go to, family things I would never do, trips I wouldn't take, the life she leads that far exceeds her salary, freedom to date other chicks I gave up, the list goes on. If I got a divorce tomorrow, I know I could go to bars or on the dating apps and pick up chicks but women are such headaches and are so needy I would still continue in the hobby.
That girl put into words my unorganized thoughts. I really wouldn't care if I dated a sex worker or if my wife was sleeping around because she, like me, wanted variety. I am lucky she doesn't because what would bother me if someone I knew through work or friends or family would throw it in my face that they just banged my wife or girlfriend. Even though I like to sample different women I would never want it thrown in my wife's face. That is just rude.
Isn't funny how my mind works? It would be okay to be in an open relationship or date a sex worker but nobody at work should be standing around telling everyone how they banged someone I am involved with. I guess because it's a form of bullying? I guess in my mind it's okay to cheat but not okay to bully. LOL.
B.It makes sense. No matter how open minded you are, you're still going to be jealous if you care for the person you're with. So while you might say "do what makes you happy" and set some ground rules and come to an arrangement, you still wouldn't want to know details. At least not good ones. I enjoyed hearing bad details though LOL. Those made me feel safer.
The one SW I dated who came closest to girlfriend status offered to quit and get a "regular job" if I agreed to also quit and she was able to move in with me and we lived like a regular couple. The jaded, woman-hating interpretation of that is "she's just trying to leech off of you! You see?! She's still a hooker! And I bet she'll keep doing it behind your back! I hate women!" But I've dated non-SW and had very similar conversations about how they could afford to go to business school full time if we lived together. It's no different.
Unless you're taking about $100 qv types who are "managed", trafficked, or have an addiction, actual escorts have real, functional lives outside of the business. They have friends, family, hobbies. I still remember going to a baseball game with Carmella Starr. It wasnt technically a date, since she identifies primarily as a lesbian outside of work. She just happend to have a spare ticket and offered it to me.
She had a crew of five friends we went with. None of them were in the business and none of them knew what she did. It was a perfectly normal night out. No money exchanged (except a round of beer I treated everybody to at the end). No sex, either. Just a group of normal 30-somethings doing 30-somethings things.
It's important to have healthy relationships with women outside of this business. Otherwise you start seeing every woman as objects and lose the ability to see them as humans. Then you REALLY won't be able to connect. Not with SW, and not with any women.
I definitely agree to what's being said here. It's not a connection it's the illusion of the connection and the sleaze factor. Just like most I've been with many different providers, and the one's that looks the sexiest to ME and really, really know how to turn my crank are the one's I have felt closet with. I learned many lessons in this game over the year's and the most important is never get very attached and fall for a provider. They belong to the Pimps, the boyfriends, the BDs and the candy man. Most girls have at least 2 out of 4 always revolving around there life. So in essence those guys get it off the top, most of us get it when it's are turn to get it.
So it's great that they give us deals, it's great that they give you extra time, bareback. It's good that you can talk & text with them deeply and explore your inner most nasty fantasies, but at the end of the day it's just that, Fantasy. Also it all varies from monger to monger, depending how deep your pockets are, how you look and how you can persuade each individual girl, the variables are endless. That's where the competition comes in between mongers. Doing BB and DFK and daty will also increase your odds of getting attached, in my opinion. I was seeing a chic a few years back and she was the perfect little sloot. BB, CIM, swallow no gag reflex at all, she didn't know how to come up for air. She would give me great deals also. I did get attached to her some. When she stopped providing service I did get a little fucked up about it for a while. Definitely had to use other chics to try and fill that void. So you definitely have to be mindful & carefull.
Cruising Y
05-10-23, 05:23
I definitely agree to what's being said here. It's not a connection it's the illusion of the connection and the sleaze factor. Just like most I've been with many different providers, and the one's that looks the sexiest to ME and really, really know how to turn my crank are the one's I have felt closet with. I learned many lessons in this game over the year's and the most important is never get very attached and fall for a provider. They belong to the Pimps, the boyfriends, the BDs and the candy man. Most girls have at least 2 out of 4 always revolving around there life. So in essence those guys get it off the top, most of us get it when it's are turn to get it.
So it's great that they give us deals, it's great that they give you extra time, bareback. It's good that you can talk & text with them deeply and explore your inner most nasty fantasies, but at the end of the day it's just that, Fantasy. Also it all varies from monger to monger, depending how deep your pockets are, how you look and how you can persuade each individual girl, the variables are endless. That's where the competition comes in between mongers. Doing BB and DFK and daty will also increase your odds of getting attached, in my opinion. I was seeing a chic a few years back and she was the perfect little sloot. BB, CIM, swallow no gag reflex at all, she didn't know how to come up for air. She would give me great deals also. I did get attached to her some. When she stopped providing service I did get a little fucked up about it for a while. Definitely had to use other chics to try and fill that void. So you definitely have to be mindful & carefull.Like they say, she's not yours it's just your turn.
Like they say, she's not yours it's just your turn.Most Definitely '.
AngelBravo
05-12-23, 00:47
So, this is the first time I log onto this site and check out my usual link to the girls working. I noticed something about myself when I wasn't looking. I was perfectly happy not wondering about what I was missing out on. I am enjoying the summer, and have stuck to working out and feeling good about it.
I'm starting to realize that this mongering was adding to a bit of negative mental health and now that I don't think about it anymore I really am better off. I do however notice that if I keep looking at girls, and I find the pictures alluring as it's built into me as a man then it starts to pull me back in a bit.
A good old Post nut clarity puts me back on track and is much cheaper; but I did want to share that if you do ever plan to walk away; going cold turkey is the best medicine. Out of sight out of mind.
I may not post here again, and I hope you all find what your looking for. If I don't log back on then you know I've succeeded and I am where I want to be; it's been fun gentlemen. Stay safe and listen to your inner thoughts and resolve your mental conflicts.
Take care.
Illinois Guy 7
06-03-23, 19:59
So, this is the first time I log onto this site and check out my usual link to the girls working. I noticed something about myself when I wasn't looking. I was perfectly happy not wondering about what I was missing out on. ....
... but I did want to share that if you do ever plan to walk away; going cold turkey is the best medicine. Out of sight out of mind.
I may not post here again, and I hope you all find what your looking for. If I don't log back on then you know I've succeeded and I am where I want to be; it's been fun gentlemen. Stay safe and listen to your inner thoughts and resolve your mental conflicts.I will agree. I am not quite there yet to go cold turkey, but I often swear I will never to to M. A. Or my favorite- K. P. Ever again. Then I look and some hottie with huge tits and great reviews is there and I got to go. Or the nymphomaniac is back and I got to see her again. I had great sex with some of the hottest women, but to the making of "hottest women" there seems to be no end.
I am going to just see Macie and no others for now because she is wallet-friendly plus I got a thing for slender tall black girls with nice tits. And I am not quite ready to give up the hobby. But reading this forum tells me there are hotties to go see and I got to go see them. At the very least, I cannot go to agency sites anymore. I looked today at KP and now I want to try Ruby. But really, after Ruby will be Lucy and Suzy and Brenda and Charlene and etc. Etc. Etc. I will just not go to KP's page anymore. Well, that's the plan. I will retire from my job in a few years and move away. By that time, I will not be able to engage in this hobby at all. But I can retire sooner if I just avoid the urge to see the lastest new hotties or the best returning ladies that I hadn't seen in several months.
When I am ready, I will have to go cold turkey as this poster said.
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I'm starting to realize that this mongering was adding to a bit of negative mental health and now that I don't think about it anymore I really am better off. I do however notice that if I keep looking at girls, and I find the pictures alluring as it's built into me as a man then it starts to pull me back in a bit.
So if a fresh cutie shows up, you will take a pass? Strong man.
Let's be honest, the scene sucks. Over priced hardened desensitized skanks.
AngelBravo
06-19-23, 13:36
So if a fresh cutie shows up, you will take a pass? Strong man.
Let's be honest, the scene sucks. Over priced hardened desensitized skanks.In all honesty, it can be very tempting. Even checking out this site makes me feel like it wants to suck me back in. I have to treat it like an addiction, and I know the moment I dip in just a little bit like seeing Wendy at 262 which is very safe and completely L1 sounds like fun.
But if I see a cutie like this it will just put me back where I started and I realized in my time off that seeing these girls was just a temporary fix to a personal problem. It will never resolve itself, and I'm fortunate enough to see straight to know that if I really need to solve the problem I need to hit the issues head on. They are much harder to resolve, and many of it is realizing that I have to change. Sure maybe the situation around me is not helping in some cases but ultimately I am in control of my life and I now know what I want.
I want peace and clarity and above all true happiness. I wasn't truly happy with myself, and the time off made me figure out what was broken and what I need to spend time on to fix.
The plus to all of this, is I am no longer disappointed spending time with troubled women who are also fighting their own demons. It's also a great money savor and in the end I'm much happier now. I just dropped in today to see how everyone else was doing and saw this comment towards myself and felt I needed to reply. Hope all is well.
So, this is the first time I log onto this site and check out my usual link to the girls working. I noticed something about myself when I wasn't looking. I was perfectly happy not wondering about what I was missing out on. I am enjoying the summer, and have stuck to working out and feeling good about it.
I'm starting to realize that this mongering was adding to a bit of negative mental health and now that I don't think about it anymore I really am better off. I do however notice that if I keep looking at girls, and I find the pictures alluring as it's built into me as a man then it starts to pull me back in a bit.
A good old Post nut clarity puts me back on track and is much cheaper; but I did want to share that if you do ever plan to walk away; going cold turkey is the best medicine. Out of sight out of mind.
I may not post here again, and I hope you all find what your looking for. If I don't log back on then you know I've succeeded and I am where I want to be; it's been fun gentlemen. Stay safe and listen to your inner thoughts and resolve your mental conflicts.
Take care.Thanks for your honesty. I think lot of us can relate to your situation. Unfortunately some are little deeper than others. Moderation is the key and remember if you feel like you need more after a session, than yeah, the monger might have a more serious issue. I started seeing a shrink and they say I'm trying to fill a hole. Kinda ironic. All jokes aside, there's nothing wrong using the hobby to fill the hole as a temporary bandage till you find a more stable filler but don't over do it because that hole goes from being a blemish to a giant ass crater.
Thanks for your honesty. I think lot of us can relate to your situation. Unfortunately some are little deeper than others. Moderation is the key and remember if you feel like you need more after a session, than yeah, the monger might have a more serious issue. I started seeing a shrink and they say I'm trying to fill a hole. Kinda ironic. All jokes aside, there's nothing wrong using the hobby to fill the hole as a temporary bandage till you find a more stable filler but don't over do it because that hole goes from being a blemish to a giant ass crater.I'm often suspicious of therapy as it relates to prostitution because the medical industry often defaults to the position that sex work = bad and therefore if you're involved in it at all that you have some sort of pathology. That's not a position I agree with.
Is this hobby bad? I think it's like any other hobby. It crosses over into addiction when you're driven more by compulsion than passion, if you want to stop but can't, and if it's having a negative impact on your life. If it's doing that, then yes absolutely try to get it under control so you can take your life back.
But the US has always had a puritanical streak to it. I don't see seeing escorts as an inherently bad thing because I don't see sex as an inherently shameful thing. As long as I have control over the hobby and it doesn't control me, I see it as a hobby like any other. Some guys play tennis, some guys like poker, some guys like to fix up old cars, some like to race motorcycles, I like to fuck hookers. Some hobbies are a little bit riskier than others, but I don't see one as worse than another. It's a hobby in a very literal sense of the word to me.
DivingDeep70
06-19-23, 18:31
I'm often suspicious of therapy as it relates to prostitution because the medical industry often defaults to the position that sex work = bad and therefore if you're involved in it at all that you have some sort of pathology. That's not a position I agree with.
Is this hobby bad? I think it's like any other hobby. It crosses over into addiction when you're driven more by compulsion than passion, if you want to stop but can't, and if it's having a negative impact on your life. If it's doing that, then yes absolutely try to get it under control so you can take your life back.
But the US has always had a puritanical streak to it. I don't see seeing escorts as an inherently bad thing because I don't see sex as an inherently shameful thing. As long as I have control over the hobby and it doesn't control me, I see it as a hobby like any other. Some guys play tennis, some guys like poker, some guys like to fix up old cars, some like to race motorcycles, I like to fuck hookers. Some hobbies are a little bit riskier than others, but I don't see one as worse than another. It's a hobby in a very literal sense of the word to me.Pretty much see the point. But, if interested, make sure you visit a CSAT certified sex addiction therapist or clinic that doesn't treat this with shame, but rather as an addiction, which it is, in a way, worse than alcohol, gambling or drugs. Why, because it's an instinctive behaviour that hits the brain and we are programmed to enjoy it. Anyway, they help you dig further beyond that and help without shame.
AngelBravo
06-20-23, 00:12
Thanks for your honesty. I think lot of us can relate to your situation. Unfortunately some are little deeper than others. Moderation is the key and remember if you feel like you need more after a session, than yeah, the monger might have a more serious issue. I started seeing a shrink and they say I'm trying to fill a hole. Kinda ironic. All jokes aside, there's nothing wrong using the hobby to fill the hole as a temporary bandage till you find a more stable filler but don't over do it because that hole goes from being a blemish to a giant ass crater.You know what's a real peace of mind, when I used to visit these girls I would spend the next month or 2 looking at my privates to see if anything changed. I once got an ingrown hair / pimple by my leg and scrotum and it freaked me the fuck out.
Another time I got a blemish and was told by my DR it wasn't an STD but just that was finally getting older and my skin would soon start changing. I did eventually get a full STD test 3 months after I quit and when everything came back negative I felt like I won the lottery. I fucked around and physically escaped unharmed. I didn't realize that emotionally those scars may be harder to heal.
I agree with you Ratso, if you are indulging in this hobby there is a hole you are trying to fill, for me it was a lack of intimacy even though I had opportunities outside of this hobby to partake in. I didn't honestly know I was missing it, until I had my first session and realized how much it excited me. This entire time has been somewhat of self-therapy session. I found that I'd always get excited to see and meet the girl. I had some really great connections sometimes, but in every situation even the best case scenario the girl and I would realize this is just an agreed upon arrangement. I wasn't necessarily looking for a relationship, but I was looking for something that felt genuine and not just financially transactional.
I realized however very quickly that the girls also struggle in this line of work, they survive by removing their emotions from the equation. Those that stay in the game long are really distant, and mechanical and they are actually the ones that made me realize how cold this game was. Those that really cared, and took it more personal often didn't last a very long time. Their mental health seemed to deteriorate quickly and they left soon after.
One of my best experiences was with Dana, I actually got to know her very well and know much more about her personal life and entire living situation. She even shared her real name with me as it was another layer to feel more intimate. I recall one of my best sessions, she let me actually finger her and said. "ooh my kitty really likes you". I never took it further but it was pretty hot.
Unfortunately even in that best case scenario I saw her changing as time went one. She felt like she couldn't do the work much longer and was in the end just trying to save as much as she can for her next real career. On our last session, she told me that I should quite too, and that although she enjoyed our time together we where both using it to solve a temporary problem. For her and many like her it was a financial problem, and for me it was an intimate personal problem.
Well, l have to go now; I hope what I'm typing may reach out and help someone that might be in the same position that I was. Just know that you always have to weigh the worst case scenario.
For me, if I partake in riskier behavior it would be the condom breaking; catching a major STD, having it majorly affect my current life, and completely destroying the life I currently enjoy. Just having a intimacy problem isn't worth risking all of it away. Just like a gambler, it's fun to play and gamble for fun, but you always have to know what's at risk. I find that most people that partake in this don't really have a deep understanding of everything they are risking until shit hits the FAN. I hope that never happens to any of you, but always know the risks.
GiveMeLiberty
06-20-23, 11:07
I'm often suspicious of therapy as it relates to prostitution because the medical industry often defaults to the position that sex work = bad and therefore if you're involved in it at all that you have some sort of pathology. That's not a position I agree with.
Is this hobby bad? I think it's like any other hobby. It crosses over into addiction when you're driven more by compulsion than passion, if you want to stop but can't, and if it's having a negative impact on your life. If it's doing that, then yes absolutely try to get it under control so you can take your life back.
But the US has always had a puritanical streak to it. I don't see seeing escorts as an inherently bad thing because I don't see sex as an inherently shameful thing. As long as I have control over the hobby and it doesn't control me, I see it as a hobby like any other. Some guys play tennis, some guys like poker, some guys like to fix up old cars, some like to race motorcycles, I like to fuck hookers. Some hobbies are a little bit riskier than others, but I don't see one as worse than another. It's a hobby in a very literal sense of the word to me.Well said. My favorite explanation on this thread yet.
Bill Underwood
07-23-23, 17:49
Started dating after I caught my wife of 10 1/2 years cheating on me with a 30 year old Latino coworker. First couple of girls after she moved out were both under 30 and as I am a young soul, we had some great times. Then after those broke up, I was kind of like, "what's next" I had previously checked out SA and gotten tight with a couple well known agency girls so I dove back into SA and met a great 26 why / o teacher with a masters in Special Education. We had an amazing relationship and after 4 months, she said she was in love and we discontinued all financial support at her request. A few months later, she moved with her family to Florida and now, it really was a question of "what's next". I had spent almost two years dating only girls under 32 (I am 56) and while I dried some vanilla dating with girls my age, I found them more difficult and damaged then the girls I met on SA. However, I also have to admit that the experience with SA has made me less accepting of things like someone who's out of shape as I look young for my age and train with a trainer. Thus creating my own issues as I compare some 50 year old woman to the girls that I have dated who were super hot and young.
About to break it off now with the girl that I have been seeing for the last 8 months. A total smoke show but I am starting to see her lying about so many things. The first was her age as she told me she was 24 when in fact apparently she was 20 when we met but confessed the truth after 5 months at which point she was 21. Of course, by then that ship had sailed and I did not make a big deal about the lie. We had some good times together but I have found the constant games have been almost as bad as the cheating from my wife. This has triggered me to pursue something new but it's a lot of time and money sorting through the garbage in SA to find a diamond. My baseline of expectations has been completely altered to almost unrealistic levels as I also scroll through Bumble and other platforms. Thinking maybe the smart move is the take a break and reflect on what my priorities are as I have spent an insane amount of money on dating and sugar relationships. My SA Premium has expired and I might not renew for a while. I hate being by myself and wanting to go out with a girl as prior to the split with my wife, it had been a long time since I had been in the hunt but might just need the time to recalibrate.
DivingDeep70
09-26-23, 08:23
I learned that I can get chlamydia from likely a BBBJ. Could be the lowest odds but I think that's how I got it. After 30 years of hobbying it happened and I tested positive and I had to tell the wife and things are fucked up now as expected. It's a mess. How it happens is unknown but it can only be from 4 possible providers and I was always careful with CFS so it had to be low odds there also. So low odds and low odds but the odds hit and I'm positive and it has ruined my life. Not great to hobby if still married and still fucking the wife. Peace out! I'm now enrolled in sex addiction counseling. Need to find a way to quit.
AngelBravo
09-26-23, 17:30
I learned that I can get chlamydia from likely a BBBJ. Could be the lowest odds but I think that's how I got it. After 30 years of hobbying it happened and I tested positive and I had to tell the wife and things are fucked up now as expected. It's a mess. How it happens is unknown but it can only be from 4 possible providers and I was always careful with CFS so it had to be low odds there also. So low odds and low odds but the odds hit and I'm positive and it has ruined my life. Not great to hobby if still married and still fucking the wife. Peace out! I'm now enrolled in sex addiction counseling. Need to find a way to quit.If you where having unprotected BBBJ it's absolutely the most probable way you got it.
The odds might be lower, but it's very well known that BBBJ can and will transmit a disease to you. Even with CBJ there's a risk as the area around the shaft is still susceptible to saliva and fluid exchange.
This is the exact reason why I would never risk BBBJ even though I knew it would feel better. The worry I know would come afterwards wouldn't be worth it. In the end you are rolling the dice and if you roll it long enough, in your case 30 years which seems like very good odds, your luck finally ran out.
I'm sorry to hear you got an STD, even more so how it's now destroying your marriage. I applaud you for telling your story as it's important for others to hear how once incident can drastically change your life. You need to be aware of the bigger risk to your life. This was also the reason I finally decided to quit, it was an addiction but an addiction born out of things that where missing from my life. It can be a constant struggle, and I decided to instead focus my thoughts and energy into fixing those things from my life instead of putting bandaids on them that may hurt when pulled off. I won't dare go to a provider anymore, the temptation will always be there similar to an alcoholic but I know I'm just 1 provider away from going 100% back in and I've come to realize it's not worth losing what I do have.
In the end, I am much happier in my life now. I also have saved so much money, and my peace of mind about no longer risking ruining my life is the cherry on top.
I have gone through a journey, learned it's lesson and know enough to know that I need to avoid it for my happiness. I feel lucky escaping it's worst wrath, and this is the only reason I come back on here to chime in and maybe help someone else who went through the same things as I did. This thread is to me like AAA meetings, a safe place to voice your thoughts express your feelings and truly find what will make us happy.
I think for all of us, we need to one-day realize that this isn't a hobby but simply and addiction, and as they say, the first steps is realizing it's an addiction; And that it affects far more people than ourselves.
1. My best tips for quitting is honestly going cold turkey.
2. Not looking up escort sites as it's honestly just a temptation.
3. Taking some time to yourself to really dig deep and admit that you are broken but you will work on fixing yourself up for yourself, and not anyone else.
4. Spending the time you spent researching, reading and looking up providers instead on using that same time and effort to improve yourself. Workout, Travel, engage more, and figure out another safer and cheaper solution to your sex drive addiction.
Good luck.
DivingDeep70
09-27-23, 22:58
If you where having unprotected BBBJ it's absolutely the most probable way you got it.
The odds might be lower, but it's very well known that BBBJ can and will transmit a disease to you. Even with CBJ there's a risk as the area around the shaft is still susceptible to saliva and fluid exchange.
This is the exact reason why I would never risk BBBJ even though I knew it would feel better. The worry I know would come afterwards wouldn't be worth it. In the end you are rolling the dice and if you roll it long enough, in your case 30 years which seems like very good odds, your luck finally ran out.Everything you said is spot on. I hope mongers realize the risks and how STDs work. It's not always visible and it's not always protected by covers and it's not usually immediate to notice. This is why there is no such thing as "safe" or "clean girl". Even the porn industry tests weekly and yet some things don't show on test till a month later. By then everyone got what you had.
Anyway, I do want to add that there are amazing sex addiction services and therapists out there. I found an incredible place and they have been amazing to deal with and no judgement. What is crazy is how booked up they are. Anyway, don't go to just any counselor. Find therapist that is CSAT certified or similar and make sure they are certified in sex addiction. Insurance still doesn't want to recognize this as an addiction like alcohol and drugs but some carriers are starting to cover treatment sessions under mental health. Work with them and see what can be done.
If you can quit cold Turkey, go for it. But it's extremely hard. Sex addition is worse than alcohol and drugs because the chemical release is already part of the good stuff in your brain. It's very hard to stop that. Therapy is to help you understand and change the focus and tame the impulse so that over time you can calm the desire and move on from it. So your point about finding other stuff to focus on is spot on. Also, connection is the cure to addiction. So finding healthy connections to make with other people really is important instead of the solitude and secrecy of being alone.
It's going to be a long journey for sure. But in the end, this is an addiction and really who wants to live an addiction? I want to be free from it. What I have is worth so much more than what I would lose. If I was single, maybe different because I would not be affecting anyone else and would just go broke on hookers but that's not the case. LOL. Here's to the next phase and maybe I'll be back here for therapy to post an update.
Illinois Guy 7
10-23-23, 16:10
All this talk about sex addiction. I must say, I am sure I am a sex addict.
In my occasional use of escorts, years ago I used to only drive all the way out to Rockford and use the lingerie shop. Having to drive 90 minutes away and 90 minutes back kept me from going crazy with my visits. Well, from there it was Norridge Girls, particularly Olga. And then I discovered Macie. OMG, I love Macie. I really enjoy a GFE and I did not partake of the Bare FS, but found that Macie was willing to do anything I asked. And I could see her almost any day at a reasonable rate. I started seeing Macie every week. I stopped seeing Macie on one of her prolonged absences when she probably was afflicted with some STD. I don't know that for a fact, but the fact that she does so much bare 5 days a week, sometimes 6, scared me. I got accepted at KoreanPalaceDOTBiz and I was in heaven again. There was a constant flow of fairly young hotties with a complete hour of FS, specializing in GFE. If a girl was great at DFK and making me believe I was great in bed, I would see her two or three times in her visit, then some other hotties would have arrived for me to repeat the process. While I enjoyed some girls better than others, I never had a bad time, never a total disappointment at KP.
In-between Macie and KP, I was seeing an agency lady. When she was leaving the agency, she gave me her personal contact information and I started seeing her without the agency. This lady was fantastic. She was incredibly GFE and pretty much had a Selma Hayak look, face and body. She learned quickly how to give me exactly what I wanted in our sessions. She saw that I loved huge tit play and focusing on pleasuring her orally. I only stopped seeing her because her own life was a mess. Recently, she contacted me again and her life is still a mess, but more manageable. I went back to her and she used her knowledge of what I really like and cranked it up to ELEVEN on a 1-to-10 scale. There's DFK, DATY with toys, her oral skills have adjusted to following my instructions until she knew exactly what I wanted. She even started doing BBFS with me, and I wasn't freaked out like with Macie because this girl is so low volume. She doesn't want me to share her information with others because she won't do all that stuff with new people. Her expectations are very close to the same as KP.
I am still seeing ladies at KP and seeing my old agency lady, now independent. Now, money is starting to be an issue for me. I just saw Brianna at KP 4 times. Just like my indy, she gave me a time tailored to what I want. Unlike my indy, Brianna is a never-ending ball of energy and she kept up the pace for the entire hour. She exhausted me. And I realized that she probably ruined me for other KP ladies- they all have great qualities, but just not quite at the level of Brianna. I read about sex addiction and I want to go cold turkey, but I highly doubt I will. I am going to make my recent last visit to KP my very last visit to KP ever. It's just too easy to see a new Korean lady every other day or a few times a week. But back to my indy lady. My indy lady has some mess in her personal life, so getting together is not so easy, sometimes 2 or more weeks go by. But OMG, she needs the expectations so bad and sucks me right back in when I do get together with her. Even better than Brianna, she convinces me that I am a great lover and gives me a full session of fantasticness. I think I can figure out the money thing as long as I only see this one lady. I think I can wean myself off of her and see her less often. I know that sounds like the denial from an addict, but having sex with Selma Hayak's doppleganger who is tailoring the hour to exactly what I want, I am just not ready to give her up. If her personal life or MY personal life blows up in our faces, I will surely say it was worth it.
That last paragraph got so off-rail. I can read the sex addiction in my own words. Anyway, I had not intended to use this confession as a way to brag about my exploits. But there it is.
OldSchoolGuy73
10-23-23, 16:43
All this talk about sex addiction. I must say, I am sure I am a sex addict.
In my occasional use of escorts, years ago I used to only drive all the way out to Rockford and use the lingerie shop. Having to drive 90 minutes away and 90 minutes back kept me from going crazy with my visits. Well, from there it was Norridge Girls, particularly Olga. And then I discovered Macie. OMG, I love Macie. I really enjoy a GFE and I did not partake of the Bare FS, but found that Macie was willing to do anything I asked. And I could see her almost any day at a reasonable rate. I started seeing Macie every week. I stopped seeing Macie on one of her prolonged absences when she probably was afflicted with some STD. I don't know that for a fact, but the fact that she does so much bare 5 days a week, sometimes 6, scared me. I got accepted at KoreanPalaceDOTBiz and I was in heaven again. There was a constant flow of fairly young hotties with a complete hour of FS, specializing in GFE. If a girl was great at DFK and making me believe I was great in bed, I would see her two or three times in her visit, then some other hotties would have arrived for me to repeat the process. While I enjoyed some girls better than others, I never had a bad time, never a total disappointment at KP.
In-between Macie and KP, I was seeing an agency lady. When she was leaving the agency, she gave me her personal contact information and I started seeing her without the agency. This lady was fantastic. She was incredibly GFE and pretty much had a Selma Hayak look, face and body. She learned quickly how to give me exactly what I wanted in our sessions. She saw that I loved huge tit play and focusing on pleasuring her orally. I only stopped seeing her because her own life was a mess. Recently, she contacted me again and her life is still a mess, but more manageable. I went back to her and she used her knowledge of what I really like and cranked it up to ELEVEN on a 1-to-10 scale. There's DFK, DATY with toys, her oral skills have adjusted to following my instructions until she knew exactly what I wanted. She even started doing BBFS with me, and I wasn't freaked out like with Macie because this girl is so low volume. She doesn't want me to share her information with others because she won't do all that stuff with new people. Her expectations are very close to the same as KP.
I am still seeing ladies at KP and seeing my old agency lady, now independent. Now, money is starting to be an issue for me. I just saw Brianna at KP 4 times. Just like my indy, she gave me a time tailored to what I want. Unlike my indy, Brianna is a never-ending ball of energy and she kept up the pace for the entire hour. She exhausted me. And I realized that she probably ruined me for other KP ladies- they all have great qualities, but just not quite at the level of Brianna. I read about sex addiction and I want to go cold turkey, but I highly doubt I will. I am going to make my recent last visit to KP my very last visit to KP ever. It's just too easy to see a new Korean lady every other day or a few times a week. But back to my indy lady. My indy lady has some mess in her personal life, so getting together is not so easy, sometimes 2 or more weeks go by. But OMG, she needs the expectations so bad and sucks me right back in when I do get together with her. Even better than Brianna, she convinces me that I am a great lover and gives me a full session of fantasticness. I think I can figure out the money thing as long as I only see this one lady. I think I can wean myself off of her and see her less often. I know that sounds like the denial from an addict, but having sex with Selma Hayak's doppleganger who is tailoring the hour to exactly what I want, I am just not ready to give her up. If her personal life or MY personal life blows up in our faces, I will surely say it was worth it.
That last paragraph got so off-rail. I can read the sex addiction in my own words. Anyway, I had not intended to use this confession as a way to brag about my exploits. But there it is.While I was able to kinda slow down on KP a little, I didn't see Olive and no reviews so it helped. But man is it addicting those Koreans are freaks and it's like taking a girl home from the bar that's into you and you just go at it at the get go. Even sitting here typing this I'm pondering it WTF. I was able to shake off the spas which helps only opting for a L1 place. Mostly It's the fear of missing out or as the kiddos say FOMO. Searching sites daily to see who's in town and the thrill of waiting for that door open to peak behind to see how she looks. I also recently got tested to be safe and was clear and don't know why I keep putting myself in danger, but guessing it's the BBBJ and CIM that you don't get at home, what an experience. Anyway good luck to all you'd think in this day and age there would be an after sex pill that protects you.
Pretty sure I'm addicted. In my 20's I would pick up SWs and get BJs for $20. "scared straight" when one of them left her crack pipe in my car.
Started seeing pros about 2 years ago. Between when I stopped seeing SWs and 2 years ago I would go to strip clubs and get HJs in the VIP room.
After having trouble with my wife I started to see pros in Vegas. My first time out I saw 3 girls on my first day. That includes a duo. For the past 2 years I see girls in Vegas since I head out once a quarter. In the meantime I watch porn and read reviews and posts on the daily.
Non existing sex life at home keeps pushing me. To be honest I've only seen 2 girls in Illinois. Other hobbies keep me busy. The situation at home isn't getting better so now I'm getting verified with agencies.
Funny thing is I started to talk to a divorced friend of mine who said was in the same boat I am. Difference is he didn't get along with his wife. I do but there is no sex. Anyway he admitted to me he would frequent massage parlors all the time.
I don't know if it's normal to pursue this stuff outside of a sexless marriage or it's addiction. If anything I'm addicted to watching porn.
TallDarkNotHandsome93
10-25-23, 10:51
Pretty sure I'm addicted. In my 20's I would pick up SWs and get BJs for $20. "scared straight" when one of them left her crack pipe in my car.
Started seeing pros about 2 years ago. Between when I stopped seeing SWs and 2 years ago I would go to strip clubs and get HJs in the VIP room.
After having trouble with my wife I started to see pros in Vegas. My first time out I saw 3 girls on my first day. That includes a duo. For the past 2 years I see girls in Vegas since I head out once a quarter. In the meantime I watch porn and read reviews and posts on the daily.
Non existing sex life at home keeps pushing me. To be honest I've only seen 2 girls in Illinois. Other hobbies keep me busy. The situation at home isn't getting better so now I'm getting verified with agencies.
Funny thing is I started to talk to a divorced friend of mine who said was in the same boat I am. Difference is he didn't get along with his wife. I do but there is no sex. Anyway he admitted to me he would frequent massage parlors all the time.
I don't know if it's normal to pursue this stuff outside of a sexless marriage or it's addiction. If anything I'm addicted to watching porn.Your wife refuses to have sex with you? Why don't you just bend her over and take care of yourself if that's the case LOL.
Darth Cosmos
10-25-23, 12:14
Pretty sure I'm addicted. In my 20's I would pick up SWs and get BJs for $20. "scared straight" when one of them left her crack pipe in my car.
Started seeing pros about 2 years ago. Between when I stopped seeing SWs and 2 years ago I would go to strip clubs and get HJs in the VIP room.
After having trouble with my wife I started to see pros in Vegas. My first time out I saw 3 girls on my first day. That includes a duo. For the past 2 years I see girls in Vegas since I head out once a quarter. In the meantime I watch porn and read reviews and posts on the daily.
Non existing sex life at home keeps pushing me. To be honest I've only seen 2 girls in Illinois. Other hobbies keep me busy. The situation at home isn't getting better so now I'm getting verified with agencies.
Funny thing is I started to talk to a divorced friend of mine who said was in the same boat I am. Difference is he didn't get along with his wife. I do but there is no sex. Anyway he admitted to me he would frequent massage parlors all the time.
I don't know if it's normal to pursue this stuff outside of a sexless marriage or it's addiction. If anything I'm addicted to watching porn.I know it's cliche but porn definitely feeds this addiction.
I've noticed in myself when I quit porn after a couple weeks my desire for p2 p is gone.
But when I watch porn eventually I start thinking I'd rather be doing this than watching.
And that lead to my strip club addiction.
Which then lead to my escort addiction.
As far as addictions go I love it it's a lot of fun but nearly impossible to stop.
Especially now that I've gotten into VR porn.
"no one knows how hard it is to be good until he has tried very hard to".
-CS Lewis.
Complete opposite for me. Since I started mongering, I rarely watch porn. Usually I look to see if someone posts about a provider who looks like a porn star and I like to search for Chicago-specific videos if those women escort.
Complete opposite for me. Since I started mongering, I rarely watch porn. Usually I look to see if someone posts about a provider who looks like a porn star and I like to search for Chicago-specific videos if those women escort.I'm tried of playing with junior, it's nice to watch but if you have time and money to spend why not treat yourself. Life is too short to have regrets and you as a man should have what you want in life. You don't want to on your deathbed thinking about what you should have done. Be Safe.
OldSchoolGuy73
10-26-23, 11:50
I'm tried of playing with junior, it's nice to watch but if you have time and money to spend why not treat yourself. Life is too short to have regrets and you as a man should have what you want in life. You don't want to on your deathbed thinking about what you should have done. Be Safe.That's how I feel, one day we won't be able to use it anymore pissing on ourselves with a catheter inserted waiting for death. I just love sex and although I love my spouse I need it daily and she's at the age where she's on or off and doesn't really like it as much. For most on this board it's a middle age crisis, some buy sports cars others want to fuck young women all the time.
That's how I feel, one day we won't be able to use it anymore pissing on ourselves with a catheter inserted waiting for death. I just love sex and although I love my spouse I need it daily and she's at the age where she's on or off and doesn't really like it as much. For most on this board it's a middle age crisis, some buy sports cars others want to fuck young women all the time.You're right I love sex, sometimes I just want oral for a quick fix some times I want to spend an hour just going at it. I do watch porn everyday usually right before bed. I like to go to bed with a smile. LOL.
Wife has no interest in it it seems. Last time I got laid at home was August. Quick blow job then doggy and bam I was done. Tbh I wanted it to be over so I just let it go.
More passion with working girls then with my S / O.
I used to work with a guy that would see a girl almost everyday. I didn't know until he quit he was into the hobby. He was very nonchalant. I guess if you ever met me I think you would say the same. I hope I would probably say the same about you.
HaoleGirlLover
10-26-23, 16:36
Pretty sure I'm addicted. In my 20's I would pick up SWs and get BJs for $20. "scared straight" when one of them left her crack pipe in my car.
Started seeing pros about 2 years ago. Between when I stopped seeing SWs and 2 years ago I would go to strip clubs and get HJs in the VIP room.
After having trouble with my wife I started to see pros in Vegas. My first time out I saw 3 girls on my first day. That includes a duo. For the past 2 years I see girls in Vegas since I head out once a quarter. In the meantime I watch porn and read reviews and posts on the daily.
Non existing sex life at home keeps pushing me. To be honest I've only seen 2 girls in Illinois. Other hobbies keep me busy. The situation at home isn't getting better so now I'm getting verified with agencies.
Funny thing is I started to talk to a divorced friend of mine who said was in the same boat I am. Difference is he didn't get along with his wife. I do but there is no sex. Anyway he admitted to me he would frequent massage parlors all the time.
I don't know if it's normal to pursue this stuff outside of a sexless marriage or it's addiction. If anything I'm addicted to watching porn.I hear all you guy and it's tough. I am 50 and divorced twice. Marriage was good in the beginning then the 2-3 year itch happened and no sex from the wife. I would watch porn and take care of myself but tried a SW and that did it. Then ventured into MP and then tryst. Tough saving money and doing this hobby hahaha. I luckily have found a girl who is submissive and love's consensual rape! Trust me it is amazing only thing is she is only separated and not fully divorced. But I still do the hobby every other week. It's tough. Be safe.
WoozerBuck
10-26-23, 23:18
I hear all you guy and it's tough. I am 50 and divorced twice. Marriage was good in the beginning then the 2-3 year itch happened and no sex from the wife. I would watch porn and take care of myself but tried a SW and that did it. Then ventured into MP and then tryst. Tough saving money and doing this hobby hahaha. I luckily have found a girl who is submissive and love's consensual rape! Trust me it is amazing only thing is she is only separated and not fully divorced. But I still do the hobby every other week. It's tough. Be safe.I have good friends who at 60 cannot have sex, too sick or fat and just don't care. Sex keeps a man young and healthy IMHO.
Illinois Guy 7
11-16-23, 17:27
I have good friends who at 60 cannot have sex, too sick or fat and just don't care. Sex keeps a man young and healthy IMHO.I am a bit fat and a bit over 60, and I said I was going to quit KP. I really need to, but I would hate the day arriving when I just "can't" do it for prostate reasons or some debilitating disease. I actually feel quite good about myself with these young ladies.
But KP is just too easy. Another day, another hottie. If I want something today, I get it. I just need to curtail that. I am going to stick with my indy lady because we can only get together so often. She's every bit as good as the KP hotties, not as young, but certainly as hot.
I know I said that I was quitting KP awhile ago, but then I didn't do it. And it was great sex. I feel young and healthy. I am broke. I am also concerned about the east coast bust of some asian sites. Be careful out there.
StanleyStankas
11-16-23, 18:24
I don't see these excellent threads by members. Thanks for all the participation. I usually in the past would hit the top five or so threads above all this and then recently got into ron's gb thread. While there I noticed this. Being like a private country club wife (ya know, nothing to do all day, however fortunately all day to do it!) I need to look around here more. Thanks again, fellas. Stosh.
I am a bit fat and a bit over 60, and I said I was going to quit KP. I really need to, but I would hate the day arriving when I just "can't" do it for prostate reasons or some debilitating disease. I actually feel quite good about myself with these young ladies.
But KP is just too easy. Another day, another hottie. If I want something today, I get it. I just need to curtail that. I am going to stick with my indy lady because we can only get together so often. She's every bit as good as the KP hotties, not as young, but certainly as hot.
I know I said that I was quitting KP awhile ago, but then I didn't do it. And it was great sex. I feel young and healthy. I am broke. I am also concerned about the east coast bust of some asian sites. Be careful out there.As the old wise man once said You'll go broke chasing after women but you won't lose women chasing after money. I still visit but cut back from 3 to 4 times a week crack binge I was on for a while. Definitely did me good in terms of my career and personal life. Plus I found a place better than KP and AC where there's no reviews to be tempted by.
Illinois Guy 7
11-19-23, 13:38
As the old wise man once said You'll go broke chasing after women but you won't lose women chasing after money. I still visit but cut back from 3 to 4 times a week crack binge I was on for a while. Definitely did me good in terms of my career and personal life. Plus I found a place better than KP and AC where there's no reviews to be tempted by.Please say what's better. We all have different preferences, but I have never been totally let down by anyone at KP. TouringgirlsDOTcom was Columbian and Brazilian girls, full service full GFE, top quality at regular agency prices, but they are gone.
That's how I feel, one day we won't be able to use it anymore pissing on ourselves with a catheter inserted waiting for death. I just love sex and although I love my spouse I need it daily and she's at the age where she's on or off and doesn't really like it as much. For most on this board it's a middle age crisis, some buy sports cars others want to fuck young women all the time.Well, it's the same song all around the country, just different men singing it. My ex wife was at the point where it was a chore to have sex with me and she wouldn't even meet 1/4 of the way on my fetishism so one day I told her I was done and out. Started a new life 10 years ago and for the most part it has been good. A whole lot of pro's and good nasty sex and the addiction for them that comes with it. It was definitely a super rush in the beginning years, young, nasty, talented girls willing to do anything sexualy and letting you saite your itch and quench your fetishes for the right $ amount. It's definitely a super rush getting them to do these things for a lower $ amount. We all know it use to be easier to get them low range dollar amount than it is now. All the girls in the pictures are just super sluts from my Christmas past lol. But you definitely definitely got to watch your ass tho when playing this game because of all the traps, pitfalls, and setups that come with all this gratification search. All these different fetishes out here from Voyeurism, Masochism, bandage, age play, consensual rape, foot, masturbate, gagging, it's endless. It all depends on what you are into as an individual. I have always loved bbj no spit, to make a working girl suck, gag and deepthroat on your cock forcefully until you explode down her throat and inside her stomach is a satisfying, gratifying sensation indeed. I'm looking for a new one right now to do that with because the one I had in the past is no longer servicing me. Part of the thrill of the hunt is trying to find girls that do nasty things to what ever your top level is, and when they do that to you on multiple occasions they undoubtedly become your ATF. Those 3 letters are definitely a serious thing in this Rogue, Monger game we all play.
Honestly the main reasons I started looking into this hobby is because.
1. The modern dating scene pretty much requires you to be an unapologetic liar and is pretty much impossible to navigate.
2. I am incredibly blunt and tend to have all the subtlety of a wrecking ball which goes back to my first point of hating liars.
3. I'm someone who very much prefers to get to the point, and the amount most reasonable escorts ask for is about the amount you'd spend on any half way decent date anyway.
4. I'm pretty much horny on main and imo find sexual contact to be more of a gesture of affection then any gift or romance could ever convey.
So it really comes down to a question of "Why should I waste my time putting in the effort and potential humiliation of trying to get into modern dating, when its more straightforward and arguably cheaper to hire a professional? They probably are better in bed too anyway.
Honestly the main reasons I started looking into this hobby is because.
1. The modern dating scene pretty much requires you to be an unapologetic liar and is pretty much impossible to navigate.
2. I am incredibly blunt and tend to have all the subtlety of a wrecking ball which goes back to my first point of hating liars.
3. I'm someone who very much prefers to get to the point, and the amount most reasonable escorts ask for is about the amount you'd spend on any half way decent date anyway.
4. I'm pretty much horny on main and imo find sexual contact to be more of a gesture of affection then any gift or romance could ever convey.
So it really comes down to a question of "Why should I waste my time putting in the effort and potential humiliation of trying to get into modern dating, when its more straightforward and arguably cheaper to hire a professional? They probably are better in bed too anyway.Would you say that within one year of a divorce, a man would have done it more times and enjoyed it 10 x more than the prior 20 years of marriage? Just saying.
Wish you could dial back time and live wiser?
AngelBravo
11-30-23, 00:27
I created this thread because I felt we needed a thread to discuss our thoughts and feelings. I realized fairly quickly that this wasn't a hobby at all but instead an addiction.
In many ways that I am sure many relate, it started from trying to solve an intimacy issue. Either because you where lonely or your significant other was no longer satisfying your needs in some way or another.
What I didn't realize and I want many people to know is that this is a very dangerous addiction. Similar to other addictions there are some hidden and visible scar lines. The easy ones to spot are catching an STD. It could be a definitely life changing experience and while many STD's may have a cure, the fact of simply getting caught will wreck many of our lives as it will expose our activities to the significant other.
The other hidden risk is that sex will inevitably change for you. You will get to the point where even having sex with the same person more than a few times won't do it for you anymore. You will latch on to your kinks and maybe that kink is simply sleeping with multiple partners which will be impossible to find in a steady relationship.
Also, this addiction like many others is very expensive and you don't realize how many thousands of dollars you'll go through in a year until you add it all up. For me, I did have some serious 1 on 1 time with myself and had to ask myself a simple question. "What needs to happen for you to stop?, is this the new me? Will I be like this forever. " I ended up fixing my intimate situation and quit cold turkey after that day. However just like any addiction, I still get curious from time to time, even browsing this thread is risky as I'm always afraid it will pull me back in. Nowadays I just check this thread seeing if someone else might need help and was feeling just like I was.
I think if you still want to partake in this addiction, it's fine, but you need to know the risks. Your health, your privacy, risk of getting arrested, risk of getting robbed, killed, or possibly just putting yourself in a bad situation. It's like your health, you don't realize how valuable it is until it starts to fade and this addiction has it's physical and mental risks and I just want you to know what to expect.
Well, it's the same song all around the country, just different men singing it. My ex wife was at the point where it was a chore to have sex with me and she wouldn't even meet 1/4 of the way on my fetishism so one day I told her I was done and out. Started a new life 10 years ago and for the most part it has been good. A whole lot of pro's and good nasty sex and the addiction for them that comes with it. It was definitely a super rush in the beginning years, young, nasty, talented girls willing to do anything sexualy and letting you saite your itch and quench your fetishes for the right $ amount. It's definitely a super rush getting them to do these things for a lower $ amount. We all know it use to be easier to get them low range dollar amount than it is now. All the girls in the pictures are just super sluts from my Christmas past lol. But you definitely definitely got to watch your ass tho when playing this game because of all the traps, pitfalls, and setups that come with all this gratification search. All these different fetishes out here from Voyeurism, Masochism, bandage, age play, consensual rape, foot, masturbate, gagging, it's endless. It all depends on what you are into as an individual. I have always loved bbj no spit, to make a working girl suck, gag and deepthroat on your cock forcefully until you explode down her throat and inside her stomach is a satisfying, gratifying sensation indeed. I'm looking for a new one right now to do that with because the one I had in the past is no longer servicing me. Part of the thrill of the hunt is trying to find girls that do nasty things to what ever your top level is, and when they do that to you on multiple occasions they undoubtedly become your ATF. Those 3 letters are definitely a serious thing in this Rogue, Monger game we all play.
I created this thread because I felt we needed a thread to discuss our thoughts and feelings. I realized fairly quickly that this wasn't a hobby at all but instead an addiction.
In many ways that I am sure many relate, it started from trying to solve an intimacy issue. Either because you where lonely or your significant other was no longer satisfying your needs in some way or another.
What I didn't realize and I want many people to know is that this is a very dangerous addiction. Similar to other addictions there are some hidden and visible scar lines. The easy ones to spot are catching an STD. It could be a definitely life changing experience and while many STD's may have a cure, the fact of simply getting caught will wreck many of our lives as it will expose our activities to the significant other.
The other hidden risk is that sex will inevitably change for you. You will get to the point where even having sex with the same person more than a few times won't do it for you anymore. You will latch on to your kinks and maybe that kink is simply sleeping with multiple partners which will be impossible to find in a steady relationship.
Also, this addiction like many others is very expensive and you don't realize how many thousands of dollars you'll go through in a year until you add it all up. For me, I did have some serious 1 on 1 time with myself and had to ask myself a simple question. "What needs to happen for you to stop?, is this the new me? Will I be like this forever. " I ended up fixing my intimate situation and quit cold turkey after that day. However just like any addiction, I still get curious from time to time, even browsing this thread is risky as I'm always afraid it will pull me back in. Nowadays I just check this thread seeing if someone else might need help and was feeling just like I was.
I think if you still want to partake in this addiction, it's fine, but you need to know the risks. Your health, your privacy, risk of getting arrested, risk of getting robbed, killed, or possibly just putting yourself in a bad situation. It's like your health, you don't realize how valuable it is until it starts to fade and this addiction has it's physical and mental risks and I just want you to know what to expect.I've already contemplated on this and I've decided when I start it's going to be pretty low frequency. Like once every couple of months or so. I got other hobbies and things I want to do, plus I like to eat and I'm not going to risk my livelihood and going into bankruptcy over this. But at the same time I'm not going to be 35 and still a virgin, I'm sorry.
I created this thread because I felt we needed a thread to discuss our thoughts and feelings. I realized fairly quickly that this wasn't a hobby at all but instead an addiction.
In many ways that I am sure many relate, it started from trying to solve an intimacy issue. Either because you where lonely or your significant other was no longer satisfying your needs in some way or another.
What I didn't realize and I want many people to know is that this is a very dangerous addiction. Similar to other addictions there are some hidden and visible scar lines. The easy ones to spot are catching an STD. It could be a definitely life changing experience and while many STD's may have a cure, the fact of simply getting caught will wreck many of our lives as it will expose our activities to the significant other.
The other hidden risk is that sex will inevitably change for you. You will get to the point where even having sex with the same person more than a few times won't do it for you anymore. You will latch on to your kinks and maybe that kink is simply sleeping with multiple partners which will be impossible to find in a steady relationship.
Also, this addiction like many others is very expensive and you don't realize how many thousands of dollars you'll go through in a year until you add it all up. For me, I did have some serious 1 on 1 time with myself and had to ask myself a simple question. "What needs to happen for you to stop?, is this the new me? Will I be like this forever. " I ended up fixing my intimate situation and quit cold turkey after that day. However just like any addiction, I still get curious from time to time, even browsing this thread is risky as I'm always afraid it will pull me back in. Nowadays I just check this thread seeing if someone else might need help and was feeling just like I was.
I think if you still want to partake in this addiction, it's fine, but you need to know the risks. Your health, your privacy, risk of getting arrested, risk of getting robbed, killed, or possibly just putting yourself in a bad situation. It's like your health, you don't realize how valuable it is until it starts to fade and this addiction has it's physical and mental risks and I just want you to know what to expect.I tend to agree with you that this can become an addiction, I'm fairly young, and single so I don't have to run the risk of a S. O catching me. It's funny though because I'm very good looking as well, and don't have issues with real women in life, but my issue is I've been viewing porn since a young boy (which I assume plays a part into many of why'all search for sex work as well) which leads me into looking for the kind of rough, nasty, and hardcore sex you see online that you would never get with a real women. This can be very dangerous as you said, but I believe there are ways to negate the risk of catching something. Such as the one poster who posted in the BBFS thread saying being vaccinated, getting tested regularly, and taking PrEP pills can help negate that risk. Another thing is the quality of providers y’all look for. If why'all looking into women who have habits and doesn't care about her health enough to steer clear away from dangerous life destroying drugs, what makes us thinks she would care about her sexual health? That's why I like girls like Macie and another provider I don't wish to share here. Yes, she is BBFS but atleast she is regularly tested, vaccinated, and on PrEP, but even then we know the risk it's just better to know if a female provider is just as cautious as us in this game. I used frequent the Asian apartments and I dont even go there as much anymore because the traffic can get pretty high at those places especially if its a well reviewed girl staying there. Keep in mind escorts are even used in the highest tiers socioeconomic classes. World class business men, millionaires, and billionaires are hiring high class escorts and pornstars.
AngelBravo
11-30-23, 12:48
While I agree with you that a high traffic provider like those girls that won't flinch at licking your ass at Asian massage parlors for a lower price is adding to the risk, you are definitely kidding yourself if you think BBFS isn't an even higher risk. Regardless if Macie is being tested, or taking PrEP pills, all it takes if for an infected customer to taint your Macie 1 time and your now added to the pool of STD.
Porn stars get tested regularly and they all still get tons of STD's, some they treat but there have been many scary AIDS cases which have halted production entirely. Just look it up, an STD in porn is quite common and that's only because it's always BBFS.
Remember when you sleep with someone BBFS you are also sleeping with every other person she's had BBFS with, and even with Condoms if it breaks or the parts around the condom that don't get coverage get on your skin your fucked. This is why cowgirl is more riskier than doggy style, gravity is working entirely against you and you will get infected easier even with condoms.
The truth is that it's clear you simply love the power over a person during sex than sex itself. Truthfully there are many partners that are willing to do this for you as they may like to be submissive. Don't be surprised if you suggest these kinks to your partner and if you slowly show her what you like that she would be willing to comply.
Just remember the porn sex you viewed as a young child isn't really sex. Even pornstars will tell you it's all fake and nobody really enjoys sex that way. That's the other damage you will be causing yourself. You might rob yourself of actually enjoying love with your partner instead of just wanting physical sex. That's a real thing and you'll soon find out if you program yourself enough by staying in this hobby that you won't be able to get it up anymore with regular sex. You'll need the rough stuff to make it work and that's when your in trouble; and will have to work hard to de-program yourself.
These are the things I just want to share with people getting into this hobby, it's like that game show "Deal or No Deal" people keep playing the game thinking the return will get better in the long run but the truth is, their best deals are in the middle of the game and that's when they should have cashed out. There is no doubt that the longer you play this game, and stay in this addiction that it will permanently impact you in some way or another, whether that's physical or mental. I'm not here to tell you not to partake, I'm just here to warn you to know the consequences you are gambling and be prepared for the worst as it will eventually come the longer you play. There was a guy on here not too long ago and after many many years, he finally caught a serious STD, gave it to his wife, so he had to confess his sex addiction and now he's getting a divorce and his life is turning upside down. You pay to play.
I tend to agree with you that this can become an addiction, I'm fairly young, and single so I don't have to run the risk of a S. O catching me. It's funny though because I'm very good looking as well, and don't have issues with real women in life, but my issue is I've been viewing porn since a young boy (which I assume plays a part into many of why'all search for sex work as well) which leads me into looking for the kind of rough, nasty, and hardcore sex you see online that you would never get with a real women. This can be very dangerous as you said, but I believe there are ways to negate the risk of catching something. Such as the one poster who posted in the BBFS thread saying being vaccinated, getting tested regularly, and taking PrEP pills can help negate that risk. Another thing is the quality of providers yall look for. If why'all looking into women who have habits and doesn't care about her health enough to steer clear away from dangerous life destroying drugs, what makes us thinks she would care about her sexual health? That's why I like girls like Macie and another provider I don't wish to share here. Yes, she is BBFS but atleast she is regularly tested, vaccinated, and on PrEP, but even then we know the risk it's just better to know if a female provider is just as cautious as us in this game. I used frequent the Asian apartments and I dont even go there as much anymore because the traffic can get pretty high at those places especially if its a well reviewed girl staying there. Keep in mind escorts are even used in the highest tiers socioeconomic classes. World class business men, millionaires, and billionaires are hiring high class escorts and pornstars.
While I agree with you that a high traffic provider like those girls that won't flinch at licking your ass at Asian massage parlors for a lower price is adding to the risk, you are definitely kidding yourself if you think BBFS isn't an even higher risk. Regardless if Macie is being tested, or taking PrEP pills, all it takes if for an infected customer to taint your Macie 1 time and your now added to the pool of STD.
Porn stars get tested regularly and they all still get tons of STD's, some they treat but there have been many scary AIDS cases which have halted production entirely. Just look it up, an STD in porn is quite common and that's only because it's always BBFS.
Remember when you sleep with someone BBFS you are also sleeping with every other person she's had BBFS with, and even with Condoms if it breaks or the parts around the condom that don't get coverage get on your skin your fucked. This is why cowgirl is more riskier than doggy style, gravity is working entirely against you and you will get infected easier even with condoms..I would think if you plan to have sex with multiple people either sticking to blowjobs or carrying a pack of condoms with you at all times would be a given. If you should save anything for a serious and committed partner its BBFS.
While I agree with you that a high traffic provider like those girls that won't flinch at licking your ass at Asian massage parlors for a lower price is adding to the risk, you are definitely kidding yourself if you think BBFS isn't an even higher risk. Regardless if Macie is being tested, or taking PrEP pills, all it takes if for an infected customer to taint your Macie 1 time and your now added to the pool of STD.
Porn stars get tested regularly and they all still get tons of STD's, some they treat but there have been many scary AIDS cases which have halted production entirely. Just look it up, an STD in porn is quite common and that's only because it's always BBFS.
Remember when you sleep with someone BBFS you are also sleeping with every other person she's had BBFS with, and even with Condoms if it breaks or the parts around the condom that don't get coverage get on your skin your fucked. This is why cowgirl is more riskier than doggy style, gravity is working entirely against you and you will get infected easier even with condoms.
The truth is that it's clear you simply love the power over a person during sex than sex itself. Truthfully there are many partners that are willing to do this for you as they may like to be submissive. Don't be surprised if you suggest these kinks to your partner and if you slowly show her what you like that she would be willing to comply.
Just remember the porn sex you viewed as a young child isn't really sex. Even pornstars will tell you it's all fake and nobody really enjoys sex that way. That's the other damage you will be causing yourself. You might rob yourself of actually enjoying love with your partner instead of just wanting physical sex. That's a real thing and you'll soon find out if you program yourself enough by staying in this hobby that you won't be able to get it up anymore with regular sex. You'll need the rough stuff to make it work and that's when your in trouble; and will have to work hard to de-program yourself.
These are the things I just want to share with people getting into this hobby, it's like that game show "Deal or No Deal" people keep playing the game thinking the return will get better in the long run but the truth is, their best deals are in the middle of the game and that's when they should have cashed out. There is no doubt that the longer you play this game, and stay in this addiction that it will permanently impact you in some way or another, whether that's physical or mental. I'm not here to tell you not to partake, I'm just here to warn you to know the consequences you are gambling and be prepared for the worst as it will eventually come the longer you play. There was a guy on here not too long ago and after many many years, he finally caught a serious STD, gave it to his wife, so he had to confess his sex addiction and now he's getting a divorce and his life is turning upside down. You pay to play.Oh yes, I'm well aware BBFS is far riskier then using condoms LOL I'm just voicing I still think it's better then other providers with habits or Asian apartments because atleast the knowledge of knowing she or other providers try to be on top of the game is reassurance. She atleast isn't quick to let people run in there one after the other (probably why people have hard time getting contact right away). Like you said even with a condom it's still a dangerous game but knowing someone is tested and held fast to not let you in instantly is better than 20-40 guys was in someone the same day as you (don't get me wrong even then I still know it's dangerous) and still not knowing if they take any precautions whatsoever. I don't plan on staying in long as I'm going to try and opt out eventually, if I can LOL. Also like you said this can be a addiction because of the level of service some of these women are giving is what's the most fucked up part about this LOL so it becomes hard to steer away. I'm also not really a hardcore guy who sees escorts every chance I get sometimes I go without months on end but still it just takes that one time and it could be game over.
JamesWords
11-30-23, 20:24
Oh yes, I'm well aware BBFS is far riskier then using condoms LOL I'm just voicing I still think it's better then other providers with habits or Asian apartments because atleast the knowledge of knowing she or other providers try to be on top of the game is reassurance. She atleast isn't quick to let people run in there one after the other (probably why people have hard time getting contact right away). Like you said even with a condom it's still a dangerous game but knowing someone is tested and held fast to not let you in instantly is better than 20-40 guys was in someone the same day as you (don't get me wrong even then I still know it's dangerous) and still not knowing if they take any precautions whatsoever. I don't plan on staying in long as I'm going to try and opt out eventually, if I can LOL. Also like you said this can be a addiction because of the level of service some of these women are giving is what's the most fucked up part about this LOL so it becomes hard to steer away. I'm also not really a hardcore guy who sees escorts every chance I get sometimes I go without months on end but still it just takes that one time and it could be game over.Any person you fuck have the potential to give you std, working or not. I enjoy eating a chick out, pussy and ass. My favorite thing to do is 69. Love it when they tremble in my mouth from the sensation. I know full well I might get stds but I'd still do it. If you're paying for pleasure, you should get what you're looking for. If you're so scared of stds, might as well get a Fleshlight.
Game is game. I'm 30 already, who knows how much longer I'd live. I'm not willing to risk it all with BBFS just yet but once I hit 50, that's a whole different story.
ChiGuy1711
12-06-23, 01:37
I've been considering joining the hobby for a couple of years, but I can't pull the trigger. I am married and I think I would be too guilty if I went through with it. On the other hand, my sex life is awful at home and it's driving me crazy!
Any suggestions from guys who've been in my place? Anyone regret it or have a hard time with the guilt?
Illinois Guy 7
12-06-23, 10:54
I've been considering joining the hobby for a couple of years, but I can't pull the trigger. I am married and I think I would be too guilty if I went through with it. On the other hand, my sex life is awful at home and it's driving me crazy!
Any suggestions from guys who've been in my place? Anyone regret it or have a hard time with the guilt?I cannot put the details on why my sex life at home is awful, but I tried and tried to make it better. I feel much better about myself from the hobby. I will only say that I have had incredible experiences in the hobby. The only regrets I have are monetary ones, so your guilt can be a good thing to keep the hobby in check, either avoiding it altogether or limiting it. If you want help being talked out of it, I can say that, for me, I let the Genie is out of the bottle and I find it near impossible to put it back.
Edited to add:
You posted long ago that you were considering Kurumi-Gray for your first experience. I have never seen her, but my first experiences were at the legal brothels in Nevada with high-end girls. If I had stuck to that beyond the first couple of years, I actually would have saved money as the hobby would have been only for special occasions instead of whenever I want to see someone "today."
I've been considering joining the hobby for a couple of years, but I can't pull the trigger. I am married and I think I would be too guilty if I went through with it. On the other hand, my sex life is awful at home and it's driving me crazy!
Any suggestions from guys who've been in my place? Anyone regret it or have a hard time with the guilt?Let guilt go to Hell.
You should just go for it.
I'm 30 already, who knows how much longer I'd live. I'm not willing to risk it all with BBFS just yet but once I hit 50, that's a whole different story.At 30 years old you're at your peak of your game.
At 50 things don't work like they did in your 30's. It takes longer to get geared up to play.
In my 30's I had a blast playing around.
Now in my late 50's (I turn 60 in May) it takes longer for things to get ready to play if at all.
Use your peak time to have as much fun as you can.
In your 50's things don't work as well as in your 30's.
TwoCentsSteve
12-06-23, 14:12
I've been considering joining the hobby for a couple of years, but I can't pull the trigger. I am married and I think I would be too guilty if I went through with it. On the other hand, my sex life is awful at home and it's driving me crazy!
Any suggestions from guys who've been in my place? Anyone regret it or have a hard time with the guilt?Plenty great providers do your research. Not saying you should or not but if you were, just protect yourself and get tested. You wouldn't want to bring anything home. And infected others.
Stay safe.
I've been considering joining the hobby for a couple of years, but I can't pull the trigger. I am married and I think I would be too guilty if I went through with it. On the other hand, my sex life is awful at home and it's driving me crazy!
Any suggestions from guys who've been in my place? Anyone regret it or have a hard time with the guilt?You have to be blunt and tell your wife that you are unhappy. She needs to hear why. Then tell her you want to go to therapy if that's something you can afford. Find a therapist who identifies as sex positive. If after therapy there is no change, dump her ass or cheat but never ever admit to cheating and don't get caught.
AngelBravo
12-07-23, 02:18
I've been considering joining the hobby for a couple of years, but I can't pull the trigger. I am married and I think I would be too guilty if I went through with it. On the other hand, my sex life is awful at home and it's driving me crazy!
Any suggestions from guys who've been in my place? Anyone regret it or have a hard time with the guilt?My honest advice is to work at improving your sex life at home. You need to talk to your wife and tell her that you have needs that are not being met, and what needs to happen for those needs to be met. It will be safer, cheaper, better and more passionate if your wife starts having more sex with you than starting this addiction. I would resort to this addiction as a last resort.
OldSchoolGuy73
12-07-23, 12:35
I've been considering joining the hobby for a couple of years, but I can't pull the trigger. I am married and I think I would be too guilty if I went through with it. On the other hand, my sex life is awful at home and it's driving me crazy!
Any suggestions from guys who've been in my place? Anyone regret it or have a hard time with the guilt?I struggle with the guilt as I'm married and the spouse is great looking, the worst part is the post nut regret especially if it wasn't what you expected. But when you do find that one that clicks oh man. One time I'm banging this young Latina and she looks at me with them fuck me eyes and chokes me lightly. And don't get me started on the Asians.
There are some things like BBBJ and CIM that I don't get which I really like but just doesn't like to do it. The guilt will always be there but as you age your reminded that you only live once.
I'm glad you have guilt, because this means you love your wife. Me I'm with my wife only so my daughter can live together with both parents. I've lost all love for my wife, and divorce isn't an option now. My sex life is non existence. I have zero guilt, these women help me stay sane. You should try to get out the hobby, and don't mess up your marriage, since your an ethical person, and seem to care for your wife. You don't want to get caught and lose a good woman.
I struggle with the guilt as I'm married and the spouse is great looking, the worst part is the post nut regret especially if it wasn't what you expected. But when you do find that one that clicks oh man. One time I'm banging this young Latina and she looks at me with them fuck me eyes and chokes me lightly. And don't get me started on the Asians.
There are some things like BBBJ and CIM that I don't get which I really like but just doesn't like to do it. The guilt will always be there but as you age your reminded that you only live once.
I've been considering joining the hobby for a couple of years, but I can't pull the trigger. I am married and I think I would be too guilty if I went through with it. On the other hand, my sex life is awful at home and it's driving me crazy!
Any suggestions from guys who've been in my place? Anyone regret it or have a hard time with the guilt?The hobby wouldn't exist without men in sexless but otherwise friendly or loving marriages. Many of us can rationalize that we shouldn't have to choose between a good partner for many aspects of life and the pleasure and excitement of good sex, so this is a way to have both. Its hard to not have any guilt, but its much less than the guilt of a 'real affair' or just ditching your wife or SO in the search of better sex.
But I would say really think through how you're going to do it so you minimize the chances of getting caught and forcing the issue.
What phone, apps, emails, etc will you use to communicate with potential providers?
How will you justify the time away from home and / or work?
Is there any 'find my phone' utility you need to research how to temporarily disable?
Will you be able to get several hundred dollars at once without it being noticed?
How sensitive is your SO to different smells etc that may come home with you?
On the off chance you're worried you caught something, how can you test and get treatment discreetly?
If you've thought through all of those kinds of things, you can think about the kinds of providers & experience you want to have. A high end more exclusive provider can give you a cleaner more intimate experience, but these days that will cost a significant amount. You can spend a lot less to just get off quickly with a young girl, but if the experience is rushed, mechanical, or doesn't feel clean / safe then you may end up feeling more guilt and be more turned off to the hobby as a whole. Don't feel pressured to recreate every experience you read about here. An older, married monger with a limited budget is not going to have the same options and experiences as young, single guys with money to burn and no concerns about risk (although there are plenty of providers who actually prefer some maturity).
WallStreetBull
12-07-23, 21:20
As a monger that has been doing this for 12 years now in my mid 30's I have zero regrets my only concern is how can I keep hiding the fact that I'm no longer that aroused by my SO. That is the challenge that is leading to questions. As some of you maybe aware of I have to get std testing regularly as if I show up with anything at home its game over and separation time. As many other have suggested make sure you turn off any find your iPhone location apps. Have a separate phone or apps as pinger or google voice, and DELETE them off your phone when your done. finally keep a separate checking account at some random bank that only you have access to and you will zelle money to that account that way if wifey ever asks you oh its a savings account you been putting away money at .
end of story its Been 12 years strong that ive been in the game, I have doubts with new talent today and i want to stop sometimes but the thrill is worth it to me. SO play at your own risk
WSB.
I've been considering joining the hobby for a couple of years, but I can't pull the trigger. I am married and I think I would be too guilty if I went through with it. On the other hand, my sex life is awful at home and it's driving me crazy!
Any suggestions from guys who've been in my place? Anyone regret it or have a hard time with the guilt?
OF Charlie
12-10-23, 11:06
If you ever find yourself in Hong Kong, be careful about fucking 18 yr old BBFS with CIP. Especially double BBFS with cip in each girl. I did both and I think my life is changed.
Don't get me wrong. I had fun, but I don't know how I can ever fuck a girl who is not 18 anymore haha. Talk about tightness. To the nth degree.
But a big part of me felt sad for the girls. No 18 yr old girls should be doing BBFS with CIP. And there are so many of them that I had a hard time picking. I have attached some examples. I have a lot of guilt now.
Anyway, as the saying goes, be careful what you wish for.
JamesWords
12-10-23, 13:45
If you ever find yourself in Hong Kong, be careful about fucking 18 yr old BBFS with CIP. Especially double BBFS with cip in each girl. I did both and I think my life is changed.
Don't get me wrong. I had fun, but I don't know how I can ever fuck a girl who is not 18 anymore haha. Talk about tightness. To the nth degree.
But a big part of me felt sad for the girls. No 18 yr old girls should be doing BBFS with CIP. And there are so many of them that I had a hard time picking. I have attached some examples. I have a lot of guilt now.
Anyway, as the saying goes, be careful what you wish for.Is that why I'm not seeing you active on asian apartments lately? Bro's been in hongkong? LOL.
I'll take a trip one day, but not today. .
JamesWords
12-10-23, 13:55
At 30 years old you're at your peak of your game.
At 50 things don't work like they did in your 30's. It takes longer to get geared up to play.
In my 30's I had a blast playing around.
Now in my late 50's (I turn 60 in May) it takes longer for things to get ready to play if at all.
Use your peak time to have as much fun as you can.
In your 50's things don't work as well as in your 30's.I'll take your advice. I got kids already, got a house already. Wife and I are in an open relationship. It's time to enjoy myself. Aint getting no sex at home, might as well yeah?
GeneralObvious
12-10-23, 14:07
Is that why I'm not seeing you active on asian apartments lately? Bro's been in hongkong? LOL.
I'll take a trip one day, but not today. .He's been on regularly. If he's ever been to Hong Kong, I'll buy him a session at a spa. He doesn't leave his neighborhood. You should know that by now.
ZzTopSterZz
12-10-23, 14:11
As a monger that has been doing this for 12 years now in my mid 30's I have zero regrets my only concern is how can I keep hiding the fact that I'm no longer that aroused by my SO. That is the challenge that is leading to questions. As some of you maybe aware of I have to get std testing regularly as if I show up with anything at home its game over and separation time. As many other have suggested make sure you turn off any find your iPhone location apps. Have a separate phone or apps as pinger or google voice, and DELETE them off your phone when your done. finally keep a separate checking account at some random bank that only you have access to and you will zelle money to that account that way if wifey ever asks you oh its a savings account you been putting away money at .
end of story its Been 12 years strong that ive been in the game, I have doubts with new talent today and i want to stop sometimes but the thrill is worth it to me. SO play at your own risk
WSB.Where do you go? I'm not very risky but every once in a while I succumb to BBBJ and it leaves a doubt in my mind.
I'll take your advice. I got kids already, got a house already. Wife and I are in an open relationship. It's time to enjoy myself. Aint getting no sex at home, might as well yeah?Don't wait until your 50's to go BBFSCIP.
Your time is right now.
OF Charlie
12-10-23, 18:46
Is that why I'm not seeing you active on asian apartments lately? Bro's been in hongkong? LOL.
I'll take a trip one day, but not today. .Yes, a couple of receipts from yesterday when I visited Lantau Island.
Not sure why I bothered as people will say I make up those receipts anyway. Man, I must be really good at making up a cable ride ticket along it's purchase receipt and a receipt from 7 eleven that I can take a picture together with. What is next. Should I take a selfie at the Hong Kong airport when I leave, holding up fingers? Just tell me how many fingers you want me to hold up lol.
If you ever find yourself in Hong Kong, be careful about fucking 18 yr old BBFS with CIP. Especially double BBFS with cip in each girl. I did both and I think my life is changed.What app are you using to find these arrangements? How did you figure out where to go in China? I ask because I'm going to be in Guangzhou and Beijing next April, and wanted to set something up.
AngelBravo
12-10-23, 23:49
As a monger that has been doing this for 12 years now in my mid 30's I have zero regrets my only concern is how can I keep hiding the fact that I'm no longer that aroused by my SO. That is the challenge that is leading to questions. As some of you maybe aware of I have to get std testing regularly as if I show up with anything at home its game over and separation time. As many other have suggested make sure you turn off any find your iPhone location apps. Have a separate phone or apps as pinger or google voice, and DELETE them off your phone when your done. finally keep a separate checking account at some random bank that only you have access to and you will zelle money to that account that way if wifey ever asks you oh its a savings account you been putting away money at .
end of story its Been 12 years strong that ive been in the game, I have doubts with new talent today and i want to stop sometimes but the thrill is worth it to me. SO play at your own risk
WSB.The truth is, if you keep banging other girls, you will only grow less interested in having sex with your SO. You may not realize it but you are slowly programming your sexual preference. It isn't even the girl or the type of pussy, it's just the thrill of banging someone new and the power you have over them.
The only thing you have to ask yourself if you know you get an STD, or your SO finds out it's game over at home and separation time; is that the gamble your willing to take. There might be a 5% chance you'll catch an STD or get caught up, but the longer you play this game the higher chances that will come to fruition. Think of it as rolling a 100 sided dice; the more you keep rolling your bound to hit a 1-5 number; So the question then remains, how much are you willing to risk, do you know what your risking and if you do then prepare for it now as it seems inevitable it will eventually come. Do you really think you will stop on your own? Nope, not until something happens. It is an addiction after all and you should be aware of it.
Al Melrose
12-10-23, 23:49
How much for the 18 year olds? Can English only speakers participate?
Illinois Guy 7
12-11-23, 11:58
As a monger that has been doing this for 12 years now in my mid 30's I have zero regrets my only concern is how can I keep hiding the fact that I'm no longer that aroused by my SO. .....
WSB.Wow, I am right there (on the not aroused part). My SO is sure I have low T and low interest. If our differences could be worked out, I would do it at home and might be able to just dabble on my birthday and rare special occasions.
OF Charlie
12-11-23, 12:10
How much for the 18 year olds? Can English only speakers participate?There are a few agencies that have 18 yr olds. They all advertise on Telegram. If you have Telegram, search @hkgirls4. It will lead you to most of the agencies.
The prices that I have seen for 18 yr old BBFS with cip ranges from 2000 to 2500 HKD. The exchange rate when you google is 1 USD to 7. 8 HKD. But when you actually exchange the money, the exchange rate is closer to 7. 45. So that is about 270 to 335 USD. Expensive, but hey 18 yr old pussy isn't cheap, especially when it's BBFS with cip. But if you don't need BBFS, they can be had for around 1600 to 1900 HKD.
As to your second question, the booker did ask me if I was a foreigner. Booker said the girl doesn't see foreigners. Not sure if it was the agency's policy or if it was just the girl's own preference. If I had to guess, it's this particular girl as I have seen reviews that they post in English.
OF Charlie
12-11-23, 12:11
What app are you using to find these arrangements? How did you figure out where to go in China? I ask because I'm going to be in Guangzhou and Beijing next April, and wanted to set something up.Telegram, search @hkgirls4. It will lead you to most of the agencies.
OneRoadToWest
12-11-23, 12:57
Telegram, search @hkgirls4. It will lead you to most of the agencies.Nice Bro! I used to play in HK from 141, it was common to pay 8 to 12 roses for younger girls, but I didn't know there existed 18-19 ones. I think I was able to sample mostly 22-23's. This was like a good 7-8 years ago.
MikeJones333
12-12-23, 06:46
Wow, I am right there (on the not aroused part). My SO is sure I have low T and low interest. If our differences could be worked out, I would do it at home and might be able to just dabble on my birthday and rare special occasions.You hit the nail right on the head. And seems some of you guys are only in your 30's, imagine when you're in your 50's!. The sad reality is this: this is an addiction for sure, the older you get and the longer you are married the less sex you have with SO and the less aroused you are by them. You were smart in blaming low T with SO as this is a scientific point that men lose T every year after age 25 I think? So you can always say sorry honey I'm not in my 20's anymore.
To the guys saying they feel guilt I will say this. If your SO is not doing it for you at home, you deserve to have your needs met. You do need to be careful but if you can afford it go for it, you only live once! I have a close friend in his mid 50's who was married for several years, never cheated, and then found out the wife was cheating on him and feels he lost a lot of time and experiences he could have been having. Have no regrets!
ZzTopSterZz
12-12-23, 10:12
You hit the nail right on the head. And seems some of you guys are only in your 30's, imagine when you're in your 50's!. The sad reality is this: this is an addiction for sure, the older you get and the longer you are married the less sex you have with SO and the less aroused you are by them. You were smart in blaming low T with SO as this is a scientific point that men lose T every year after age 25 I think? So you can always say sorry honey I'm not in my 20's anymore.
To the guys saying they feel guilt I will say this. If your SO is not doing it for you at home, you deserve to have your needs met. You do need to be careful but if you can afford it go for it, you only live once! I have a close friend in his mid 50's who was married for several years, never cheated, and then found out the wife was cheating on him and feels he lost a lot of time and experiences he could have been having. Have no regrets!We could have another thread called "what I learned in 25 years of marriage". If you want a good sex life then treat her well. Women are turned on by relationships as much as bodies. Someone once said foreplay begins at breakfast. And do what you need to remove daily life's problems and distractions. Take some of your monger money to hire a cleaning lady, to take her out on a dinner date. I'm not naive. My s / o let her body go and is not as attractive as she used to be, doesn't feel sexy to herself and doesn't have the sex drive she used to have. No amount of flowers and kindness will solve that overnight if ever, so we are dealing with some constraints but I try to make the best of the situation.
Getting to the actual acts, I'll say it's important to talk openly. The good escorts and good massage ladies are good because they've learned to enjoy their bodies, they've learned what men like, they listen to verbal and non-verbal signals, and they are 100% focused on you having a good time, which may or may not include their physical pleasure. Some guys who are not satisfied at home may not be talking about what they want. Talk outside the moment about your sex life. What do you like, how often do you want sex, what are your fantasies. Let her know that you sometimes just want to be the focus of attention (but be sure you reciprocate). Talk during sex about what feels good and what you want to do or what you want her to do. If s / o is prudish it can take a long time to gradually get to the full conversation you want to have but if you are in a long term relationship there's time to explore and evolve. Every woman wants to be good in bed just like every guy.
To give an example, my wife had no idea how to give head when we started. She just thought the goal was to get me off and jackhammered it. Now she knows I sometimes want a quickie and sometime want a long lingering hand / blow job while we watch tv. She's learned to do certain things with her mouth and tongue that feel great and how to play with my balls, etc. If you don't tell her what feels good she'll never know so don't blame her. It's well worth the effort. Now my wife can't take it very deep and she hates cim, so that's a bummer. She will take a load every once in a while but I don't enjoy it as much knowing she doesn't like it. So I used to fill that desire elsewhere but now I worry about the rise of std's.
We are far from perfect. I monger for a bunch of things my s / o can't provide due to her interests and availability. She works hard and travels. She's happy with sex once a week at best and I'm horny all the time. I enjoy being the center of attention. I enjoy roaming on attractive women's bodies and seeing a bunch of different tits and pussies (and at my age any typical 40-something MILF counts as young and hot). I love a quality massage. I enjoy the challenge of visiting a legit therapist and seeing what I can get away with. I like euro's because we can talk about travel and food and culture. I like the variety of different finishing techniques. Call it research. I like a little dirty talk and yeah I absolutely love a good BBBJCIM from time to time. Nqns don't pull off and hold me in there until I go limp! And if I invest an hour in this hobby the rest of my day is far more productive without porn, jerking off and fantasies.
Just do what you can at home and be honest with yourself, if not your s / o, about why you are in this hobby. Also heed AngelBravo’s excellent advice about inadvertently programming your mind and body in ways that guarantee failure at home.
Zz out.
I hit 41 a couple months ago and my LL wife is lower and lower as time passes. After having a kid, she never shed her mom bod. I am finally getting into some stable income and reading this forum is helping me build up the courage to enjoy myself. One life to live and I feel like I've worked this hard not to be selfish once in a while.
A few things I need to overcome is not being able to perform (anxiety with a new partner you don't know and I hate condoms), STDs, and potential to be robbed or caught by the Poe Poe. You mongers are building up my courage to go for it though. Just need a little more time to build up the courage to pop the cherry. I need to keep reminding myself that you only live once. For now, I'm living through your guys stories and wisdom. Much appreciated.
You hit the nail right on the head. And seems some of you guys are only in your 30's, imagine when you're in your 50's!. The sad reality is this: this is an addiction for sure, the older you get and the longer you are married the less sex you have with SO and the less aroused you are by them. You were smart in blaming low T with SO as this is a scientific point that men lose T every year after age 25 I think? So you can always say sorry honey I'm not in my 20's anymore.
To the guys saying they feel guilt I will say this. If your SO is not doing it for you at home, you deserve to have your needs met. You do need to be careful but if you can afford it go for it, you only live once! I have a close friend in his mid 50's who was married for several years, never cheated, and then found out the wife was cheating on him and feels he lost a lot of time and experiences he could have been having. Have no regrets!
I hit 41 a couple months ago and my LL wife is lower and lower as time passes. After having a kid, she never shed her mom bod. I am finally getting into some stable income and reading this forum is helping me build up the courage to enjoy myself. One life to live and I feel like I've worked this hard not to be selfish once in a while.
A few things I need to overcome is not being able to perform (anxiety with a new partner you don't know and I hate condoms), STDs, and potential to be robbed or caught by the Poe Poe. You mongers are building up my courage to go for it though. Just need a little more time to build up the courage to pop the cherry. I need to keep reminding myself that you only live once. For now, I'm living through your guys stories and wisdom. Much appreciated.At some point you'll have to get in the game yourself. Having fun reading what others have done will get old fast.
ZzTopSterZz
12-20-23, 01:07
I hit 41 a couple months ago and my LL wife is lower and lower as time passes. After having a kid, she never shed her mom bod. I am finally getting into some stable income and reading this forum is helping me build up the courage to enjoy myself. One life to live and I feel like I've worked this hard not to be selfish once in a while.
A few things I need to overcome is not being able to perform (anxiety with a new partner you don't know and I hate condoms), STDs, and potential to be robbed or caught by the Poe Poe. You mongers are building up my courage to go for it though. Just need a little more time to build up the courage to pop the cherry. I need to keep reminding myself that you only live once. For now, I'm living through your guys stories and wisdom. Much appreciated.Playing this game without a condom is risky as shit. I admit to taking BBBJ from time to time and I always regret it so advise you not to get started down that path. It's addictive and once the little brain knows you are willing it takes over and is hard to drop. Suggest you focus on other forms of release. Handjob, Russian, jerk off on her tits or whatever floats your boat. Heck cum in her mouth if you want but have her jerk you off there. That can be very hot. But if you're going all in definitely use a condom. STD's have gone way up and any gal that fucks or sucks you bare is doing it with other guys. That's one certainty in this hobby. None of us are special. A STD can ruin your marriage and in turn your relationship with the kid.
Last advice if you have fun outside the house is don't give up on wifey. Don't be afraid to tell her what you want and enjoy. I've worked on that and it's not perfect but the 80/20 rule at home has helped me keep the hobby in check just enough.
Good advice. Need to get those ultra thin Japanese bags. I definitely initiate more with the wife but yeah, I can be proactive in voicing wants and needs but it's one thing getting it from someone that wants to get it done and others what know what they are doing.
Much appreciated for the advice.
Playing this game without a condom is risky as shit. I admit to taking BBBJ from time to time and I always regret it so advise you not to get started down that path. It's addictive and once the little brain knows you are willing it takes over and is hard to drop. Suggest you focus on other forms of release. Handjob, Russian, jerk off on her tits or whatever floats your boat. Heck cum in her mouth if you want but have her jerk you off there. That can be very hot. But if you're going all in definitely use a condom. STD's have gone way up and any gal that fucks or sucks you bare is doing it with other guys. That's one certainty in this hobby. None of us are special. A STD can ruin your marriage and in turn your relationship with the kid.
Last advice if you have fun outside the house is don't give up on wifey. Don't be afraid to tell her what you want and enjoy. I've worked on that and it's not perfect but the 80/20 rule at home has helped me keep the hobby in check just enough.
At some point you'll have to get in the game yourself. Having fun reading what others have done will get old fast.For sure, what do you guys recommend as a first go around? I'm leaning on HKPD for 30 to see if this is something I can do then move my way up. I was thinking an hour for $160 because I may get nervous and gun shy. Does $160 regular service get you a massage or nuru? Thanks!
For sure, what do you guys recommend as a first go around? I'm leaning on HKPD for 30 to see if this is something I can do then move my way up. I was thinking an hour for $160 because I may get nervous and gun shy. Does $160 regular service get you a massage or nuru? Thanks!I'm not an Asian Massage enthusiast.
I guess whatever you feel comfortable with as your first experience is fine.
I definitely would not recommend a gangbang as your first experience.
Haha, thanks. I didn't know GB places exist. I am such a newbie on how the real world works.
I'm not an Asian Massage enthusiast.
I guess whatever you feel comfortable with as your first experience is fine.
I definitely would not recommend a gangbang as your first experience.
Haha, thanks. I didn't know GB places exist. I am such a newbie on how the real world works.I've been recently hosting Gangbangs at my location by Wrigley Field with some frequency.
PM me. I might be able to accommodate your first experience.
Every guy on this board started as a newbie in this game. No shame on being a newbie.
For sure, what do you guys recommend as a first go around? I'm leaning on HKPD for 30 to see if this is something I can do then move my way up. I was thinking an hour for $160 because I may get nervous and gun shy. Does $160 regular service get you a massage or nuru? Thanks!I'm also relatively new, I've been mongering for a few years on and off but I'm in my early 20's. My first visit was with Jessica from CLM. An absolute gem but I think she's retired or given up on the hobby, haven't seen her in months.
If you don't hate the experience at HKPD, a full hour of "GFS VIP" service at Orange Spa is a pretty decent relief for the price. You get two pops with the Asian girls I personally stopped going to the asian spas from the massage parlor thread because I always feel so weirdly guilty after being in one of them. I've gone to RL, HKPD, Orange, Archer, 819, they all have a very mechanical feel to them, even with the "GFE" girls.
If you end up enjoying both, in my opinion it's worth saving up a little more and seeing a CLM girl for half an hour. It depends on what you're looking for. But most of the time $360 gets me really "authentic" GFE, nice conversation, a decent massage (most of the time), and just a higher quality girl. Danielle, Suzie, Adele, Alicia are all great girls there that make the extra $ worth it over a quick bang at an Asian spa.
Either way, have fun, be safe, and be smart with your digital footprint. Bring your own condoms, I had a "scare" one time after DATY and didn't sleep right for a month.
I've been recently hosting Gangbangs at my location by Wrigley Field with some frequency.
PM me. I might be able to accommodate your first experience.
Every guy on this board started as a newbie in this game. No shame on being a newbie.Thanks for the wisdom Ron and welcoming of me a newb. I definitely need to work my up to wilder things. Not at that GB level yet.
It seems like the growing progression of this hobby is to go from MP to Apartments to Agencies which is more money on the way up. I was thinking that too where MP and Apartment girls are more volume based. It's hit it and quit it for them while being an actress. That guilty feeling can cause some performance anxiety too.
$360 is in line with the GFE in the city especially if you factor in the time and gas it takes to drive down from the NW Burbs. BBFS would be nice for obvious reasons but better safe than sorry.
I was about to head to the city yesterday but our monthly meeting got cancelled due to the rain. I'll have to wait until next month to wet my whistle.
I appreciate the feedback and wisdom. Thank you!
I'm also relatively new, I've been mongering for a few years on and off but I'm in my early 20's. My first visit was with Jessica from CLM. An absolute gem but I think she's retired or given up on the hobby, haven't seen her in months.
If you don't hate the experience at HKPD, a full hour of "GFS VIP" service at Orange Spa is a pretty decent relief for the price. You get two pops with the Asian girls I personally stopped going to the asian spas from the massage parlor thread because I always feel so weirdly guilty after being in one of them. I've gone to RL, HKPD, Orange, Archer, 819, they all have a very mechanical feel to them, even with the "GFE" girls.
If you end up enjoying both, in my opinion it's worth saving up a little more and seeing a CLM girl for half an hour. It depends on what you're looking for. But most of the time $360 gets me really "authentic" GFE, nice conversation, a decent massage (most of the time), and just a higher quality girl. Danielle, Suzie, Adele, Alicia are all great girls there that make the extra $ worth it over a quick bang at an Asian spa.
Either way, have fun, be safe, and be smart with your digital footprint. Bring your own condoms, I had a "scare" one time after DATY and didn't sleep right for a month.
I've been recently hosting Gangbangs at my location by Wrigley Field with some frequency.
PM me. I might be able to accommodate your first experience.
Every guy on this board started as a newbie in this game. No shame on being a newbie.Thanks for the wisdom Ron and welcoming of me a newb. I definitely need to work my up to wilder things. Not at that GB level yet.
Thanks for the wisdom Ron and welcoming of me a newb. I definitely need to work my up to wilder things. Not at that GB level yet.No worries.
My offer still stands for you when you're ready.
What's up all and Merry Christmas! I have to say SA have been pretty busy and great for me for the past few months and I'm hoping to add one more gal in my rotation. I sometimes wonder if I make the best decision and I'm just curious to know what would you guys pick and why?
Which one would you pick in such situations.
1) 21 year old, no kids, BBBJ, cfs, kiss, body 8/10, face 8/10 Follows orders well, Performance 7/10. For 400.
2) 30 year old, no kids, BBBJ, cip, don't kiss, body 9/10, face 8/10. Almost like a dead fish, but follows orders well, always on SA. Performance 5/10. For 400.
3) 40 year old, has kids, BBBJ, cip, kiss, body 6/10 (baby damage) face 9/10. Definitely full GFE experience. Almost never on SA. Performance 10/10. For 350.
Thanks!
Illinois Guy 7
12-23-23, 11:49
Which one would you pick in such situations.
1) 21 year old, no kids, BBBJ, cfs, kiss, body 8/10, face 8/10 Follows orders well, Performance 7/10. For 400.
2) 30 year old, no kids, BBBJ, cip, don't kiss, body 9/10, face 8/10. Almost like a dead fish, but follows orders well, always on SA. Performance 5/10. For 400.
3) 40 year old, has kids, BBBJ, cip, kiss, body 6/10 (baby damage) face 9/10. Definitely full GFE experience. Almost never on SA. Performance 10/10. For 350.
Thanks!Not into dead fish and no kiss on a regular basis, so No. 2 could be a 10 in looks and body and I still would not choose her. I cannot see what the baby damage is, but it really isn't in your vision during much of the interchange, so I would choose the full on GFE with a 9 face and save 50. I meet an inependent who is over 40 but that's still young compared to me. But everyone is different. You like the first two because they "follow orders well" and don't mention it for the 40 year old, and what does 'has kids' have to do with it? Does that just mean the same as baby damage or is it like not as tight as you like?
None.
They're charging way over their market value.
What's up all and Merry Christmas! I have to say SA have been pretty busy and great for me for the past few months and I'm hoping to add one more gal in my rotation. I sometimes wonder if I make the best decision and I'm just curious to know what would you guys pick and why?
Which one would you pick in such situations.
1) 21 year old, no kids, BBBJ, cfs, kiss, body 8/10, face 8/10 Follows orders well, Performance 7/10. For 400.
2) 30 year old, no kids, BBBJ, cip, don't kiss, body 9/10, face 8/10. Almost like a dead fish, but follows orders well, always on SA. Performance 5/10. For 400.
3) 40 year old, has kids, BBBJ, cip, kiss, body 6/10 (baby damage) face 9/10. Definitely full GFE experience. Almost never on SA. Performance 10/10. For 350.
Thanks!My needs are enough attraction on both sides (mine and hers) and good enough performance (I also assume it's all fake). But right now, I have a couple that I play with so I'm good for now.
Not into dead fish and no kiss on a regular basis, so No. 2 could be a 10 in looks and body and I still would not choose her. I cannot see what the baby damage is, but it really isn't in your vision during much of the interchange, so I would choose the full on GFE with a 9 face and save 50. I meet an inependent who is over 40 but that's still young compared to me. But everyone is different. You like the first two because they "follow orders well" and don't mention it for the 40 year old, and what does 'has kids' have to do with it? Does that just mean the same as baby damage or is it like not as tight as you like?I appreciate the input. I apologize I forgot to include the specifics in terms of baby damage. Just a little belly and nothing too obstructing.
None.
They're charging way over their market value.Ron, I thought I was getting a good deal haha. Thank God, I have not agreed to anyone who asked 600+ 😁.
Al Melrose
12-23-23, 16:41
Ron, I thought I was getting a good deal haha. Thank God, I have not agreed to anyone who asked 600+ 😁.Would you throw me the ones you don't pick, haha.
I am on a massive SA losing streak!
GeneralObvious
12-23-23, 16:48
Ron, I thought I was getting a good deal haha. Thank God, I have not agreed to anyone who asked 600+ 😁.Escorts are really slow between Thanksgiving and mid-January at least. Connect with one of them, and work out an arrangement. If you're a larger fella, it may not work, but if you're in decent shape, you should be able to hash out a good rate.
Ron, I thought I was getting a good deal haha. Thank God, I have not agreed to anyone who asked 600+ 😁.
Would you throw me the ones you don't pick, haha.
I am on a massive SA losing streak!I stay far away from SA girls.
I like the zone I'm at.
JamesWords
12-24-23, 00:50
What's up all and Merry Christmas! I have to say SA have been pretty busy and great for me for the past few months and I'm hoping to add one more gal in my rotation. I sometimes wonder if I make the best decision and I'm just curious to know what would you guys pick and why?
Which one would you pick in such situations.
1) 21 year old, no kids, BBBJ, cfs, kiss, body 8/10, face 8/10 Follows orders well, Performance 7/10. For 400.
2) 30 year old, no kids, BBBJ, cip, don't kiss, body 9/10, face 8/10. Almost like a dead fish, but follows orders well, always on SA. Performance 5/10. For 400.
3) 40 year old, has kids, BBBJ, cip, kiss, body 6/10 (baby damage) face 9/10. Definitely full GFE experience. Almost never on SA. Performance 10/10. For 350.
Thanks!Long term #1. I'd take a 21 year old since they'd age slower. You can also groom them to follow your preferences. BBFS might also be on the table eventually.
Short term #3: face 9/10 does it for me. At 40 baby damage is normal. If she can keep up the face who cares about the body. Great performance is also a plus.
#2 doesn't really match up to 1. 9/10 body and 8/10 body is more or less the same. 30 vs 21 I'd take 21 every day. Perhaps we can work that body to a 9/10 too.
Prices of 350 and 400 are decent in my eyes. They're all good and comparable.
JamesWords
12-24-23, 00:51
Ron, I thought I was getting a good deal haha. Thank God, I have not agreed to anyone who asked 600+ 😁.Ron's the man. He invited me to his gb once and that's what you call a good deal. I just didn't want to make the drive. I'll def take up the offer again one day 😂.
JamesWords
12-24-23, 00:59
Good advice. Need to get those ultra thin Japanese bags. I definitely initiate more with the wife but yeah, I can be proactive in voicing wants and needs but it's one thing getting it from someone that wants to get it done and others what know what they are doing.
Much appreciated for the advice.You can get those okamoto 0. 04 from Amazon at about 1 per bag. A set of 24 will run you $25. They're def hella thin but also on the average size. You'll feel a lot better but it's still no match for bare.
That said, yolo. I'm in an open sexless relationship so I've been doing it raw with SA meets. Also, eating pussy is a favorite thing of mine, especially 69. I can eat pussy for an entire hour straight. So yeah, it she looks clean I'm risking it fuck it.
JamesWords
12-24-23, 01:07
Pretty sure I'm addicted. In my 20's I would pick up SWs and get BJs for $20. "scared straight" when one of them left her crack pipe in my car.
Started seeing pros about 2 years ago. Between when I stopped seeing SWs and 2 years ago I would go to strip clubs and get HJs in the VIP room.
After having trouble with my wife I started to see pros in Vegas. My first time out I saw 3 girls on my first day. That includes a duo. For the past 2 years I see girls in Vegas since I head out once a quarter. In the meantime I watch porn and read reviews and posts on the daily.
Non existing sex life at home keeps pushing me. To be honest I've only seen 2 girls in Illinois. Other hobbies keep me busy. The situation at home isn't getting better so now I'm getting verified with agencies.
Funny thing is I started to talk to a divorced friend of mine who said was in the same boat I am. Difference is he didn't get along with his wife. I do but there is no sex. Anyway he admitted to me he would frequent massage parlors all the time.
I don't know if it's normal to pursue this stuff outside of a sexless marriage or it's addiction. If anything I'm addicted to watching porn.Similar situation to you but I don't do SW. I went with agency first, MCE to be exact. Then I found an Asian apartment, RL before anyone posted on the forum. I was a lurker back then and found them by pure accident online. I would sneak out at night. Then from one RL encounter I met some guys who recommended me to check out Lily's. Found out they were located 2 blocks from me and I went there weekly till I moved to the burbs. Tried to keep things down after moving but eventually got caught seeing an escort online. Got into an argument and settled our differences. Started taking Lexapro to curb my sexual desires but then wife became lesbo and I'm like fuck it, you get a partner I do my shit. Here I am, back in the game. Made an account on the forum too 😂.
She knows what I'm doing, she don't care anymore. Neither do I.
Terrapin911
12-24-23, 02:19
You can get those okamoto 0. 04 from Amazon at about 1 per bag. A set of 24 will run you $25. They're def hella thin but also on the average size. You'll feel a lot better but it's still no match for bare.
That said, yolo. I'm in an open sexless relationship so I've been doing it raw with SA meets. Also, eating pussy is a favorite thing of mine, especially 69. I can eat pussy for an entire hour straight. So yeah, it she looks clean I'm risking it fuck it.I will have to give those a go myself. Just can't keep it up like I'm 20 anymore, yet don't seem to have an issue bare.
And amen on the pussy eating! If I don't get at least a good 25+ minutes of pussy eating in per session my dick won't even get hard enough to need a condom.
Getting older sucks, got to eat a lions share of pussy to get it up to start (which I actually love more than fucking) then need something either ultra thin or going bare to keep it up long enough to finish. Nothing worse than losing an erection mid fuck, even worse when you really are attracted to the lady physically and think she is a hot 8 or a 9.
TP.
Ron's the man. He invited me to his gb once and that's what you call a good deal. I just didn't want to make the drive. I'll def take up the offer again one day 😂.You think you have a long drive to attend my gangbang?
The last one I hosted a board guy drove in from Northwest Indiana.
He left with a big smile on his face back to Northwest Indiana.
I've been recently hosting Gangbangs at my location by Wrigley Field with some frequency.
PM me. I might be able to accommodate your first experience.
Every guy on this board started as a newbie in this game. No shame on being a newbie.I'll take up on the offer whenever I come visit Chicago. I've always wanted to experience watching / joining a GB. Always wanted to experience something at least once in my life. Good thing I don't live in IL otherwise I'll be visiting many places. Not much here in MN. Thanks to this forum, I've learned many things.
OK been reflecting on life a bit and I think this is a good place to share because I don't think anyone else would really understand about what goes on other than the people here surprisingly, I've never admitted to anyone in person about having a sex addiction or even when my friends mention happy ending massages I usually just laugh it off with them because I know deep down they'll judge and not get where I am coming from if I ever told them about my hobby. So preface to it all, I am 24 right now and got into this "hobby" for 3 reasons first was I saw some YouTube videos talking about the subject and I've always had a high sex drive so I dabbled into it with an AMP and didn't know what I was doing so I ended up at Golden Dream Spa with Mandy and boy I was so nervous that day that I ended up just finishing with a handy in like a minute because I thought I'd get LEO coming out the woodworks. Second reason, I was in a relationship with my high school sweetheart who was 2 years younger than me from when I was 14 till 20, she had asked to be celibate for religious reasons and I agreed because I was a chubby and insecure kid so I didn't think I could do better, when she got to college she dumped me to experience the college life (LOL) Looking back, I dodged an actual bullet because I was thinking about marrying her mainly due to being horny and the girl was not the greatest looker, I thought this hobby would make up for the lost time I had from being faithful and get bodies for me under my belt; I earned losing my virginity to a girl I met on tinder, I would personally feel shame if I lost it to a escort if I am being honest. Last and main reason is I found a girl that I fell in love with again, she was just visiting Chicago for a concert for the week and we spent all the days together without it feeling like a burden and we clicked at a level I hadn't in a while. We set up arrangements that we would do a long distance relationship for a year and if it worked out well, she would move here but after like 2 months, I just couldn't do it anymore and I ventured into this to try filling that hole but really it turned from a once a week thing to a couple times refreshing the line ups for all the apartment places trying to see which had the best pull. I was also doing all this behind her back because she would kill me if they knew, so I would just turn my location on from my second phone and get out of the house, make my way to do the deed and then act like everything was fine. My original plan was to just cut cold turkey once she moved but deep down I don't know if I ever want to stop this because it's honestly very fun. Long story short, relationships are very hard, she didn't like that I wasn't putting proper effort into things, so she chose to start making me feel miserable so I would break up with her instead of doing it herself. I turned to the high end section of the forum, I think if you go back I am probably the person that bumped that section up because honestly I don't really mind paying more to get a better looking girl whose "less ran thru" (very subjective ik) and GFE is just amazing instead of a pump and dump. I usually stuck to eros girls but was bored and decided to go on escort alligator and see what was there and ran into a listing, I didn't really deep dive into the pics too hard and just made my way instead, normal procedure I got to the door but when THEY opened the door and we were talking, THEY came in for a hug and I felt a bulge and excused myself to the bathroom to look at the listing maybe I was tweaking because I was high during this all and no mention of a cock in the listing. I panicked a bit and was looking for a way out, we had agreed to payment thru venmo beforehand and I have my extra card always linked where it will always auto decline the charges, pull the good old switcharoo to get out of the situation but this **** made a big deal about me wasting their time and I essentially got blackmailed for like a whole week after that in hopes I would pay up and that put me on the shelf for the hobby for a bit cause it was so much and I honestly wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Since all this though, I became a hinge demon, I got really into fitness during the pandemic and recently finally began actually cutting properly and I am not like a full chad or the most beautiful man ever but I look good and I think my partners wouldn't be ashamed or anything standing next to me. I have certain qualities that make me stand out ALOT (if any of you ever meet me in person you'll get what I am talking about haha and you'll be like I get what you meant) and I've honestly grown into my body and my ability to yap with a women is really out of this world. I met an asian girl and I made her squirt multiple times literally almost every time we fucked but she ended up kicking me out of her house because she thought "I wasn't the one" but I don't think I would be able to do that without this hobby. It was a tough year from me for most angles, my business went to shit, I lost more girls than I wanted to and I honestly thought I would be maybe engaged by this time? But majority of these experiences have been good except a couple bad actors. I am not sure if there will ever be an end for me for this hobby, I was thinking maybe when I get to a 100 bodies, I call it quits but I am slowly starting to creep on that number thru all escorts, dating apps and ONS from parties. I will say this is such an expensive hobby and I collect sneakers for my other hobby where I am used to paying crazy premiums so money has less value to me personally. Thank you if you read my rant or whatever you consider this, if you have any input feel free to give it, I know most of you guys are boomers so I genuinely wouldn't mind seeing what you guys have to say.
HappyGardener
12-26-23, 15:58
I'll take up on the offer whenever I come visit Chicago. I've always wanted to experience watching / joining a GB. Always wanted to experience something at least once in my life. Good thing I don't live in IL otherwise I'll be visiting many places. Not much here in MN. Thanks to this forum, I've learned many things.I Don't know where you are in MN, but there are some very active swinger and GB groups in MSP. Go to the FetLife website, look for events and / or for swinger groups. People in the lifestyle are very welcoming to newbies and first time attendees as long as you are vetted and follow their rules. I had a very enjoyable time at the events I went to. Much bigger groups than in Chicago and much less expensive.
AngelBravo
12-27-23, 01:56
I don't know exactly what you are asking people to comment on, I didn't see any actual question in your entire Monger storyline. So the only thing I will comment on, is that you need to understand that this isn't a hobby it's an addiction. You also need to come to terms to what you want to get out of it. You can't honestly expect to start a healthy relationship with someone new if you are sleeping with escorts on the side. A good portion of the men here seek escorts while married because of a sexless marriage, or issues with sex with their partner. Some don't have a partner at all and need the sex from a women and this is their outlet. Some have sex with their partner and just simply want variety and this is that outlet; But you need to understand that this addiction has it's risks. Some might be quite obvious, like getting an STD, costing you a ton of money in the end. The not so obvious one are, ruining your idea of a relationship, ruining how you view sex and what gets you off, re-programming your sexual gratification an unrealistic sex life of having multiple partners. One woman will never be able to sexually satisfy you after a while. I don't know why your goal is 100 women, if it's just a numbers game for you to make you feel like a PIMP then maybe re-evaluate what you are actually after. I can only assure you that it's best to figure out your true purpose and goals. The longer you are in this addiction the more you'll eventually pay for it in some way or another. There's a reason girls come and go in this addiction, they don't last long because it's mentally taxing and emotionally damaging for some women. If you talk to any of the escorts long enough you'll realize they are in this business for a reason and that' simply to make money fast. The smart ones make their cash quickly and dip out, the ones that say in for the long game often have some serious, serious issues. Good luck in finding out your goal and if finding a healthy relationship is your goal, I say to focus on that and leave this addiction behind.
OK been reflecting on life a bit and I think this is a good place to share because I don't think anyone else would really understand about what goes on other than the people here surprisingly, I've never admitted to anyone in person about having a sex addiction or even when my friends mention happy ending massages I usually just laugh it off with them because I know deep down they'll judge and not get where I am coming from if I ever told them about my hobby. So preface to it all, I am 24 right now and got into this "hobby" for 3 reasons first was I saw some YouTube videos talking about the subject and I've always had a high sex drive so I dabbled into it with an AMP and didn't know what I was doing so I ended up at Golden Dream Spa with Mandy and boy I was so nervous that day that I ended up just finishing with a handy in like a minute because I thought I'd get LEO coming out the woodworks. Second reason, I was in a relationship with my high school sweetheart who was 2 years younger than me from when I was 14 till 20, she had asked to be celibate for religious reasons and I agreed because I was a chubby and insecure kid so I didn't think I could do better, when she got to college she dumped me to experience the college life (LOL) Looking back, I dodged an actual bullet because I was thinking about marrying her mainly due to being horny and the girl was not the greatest looker, I thought this hobby would make up for the lost time I had from being faithful and get bodies for me under my belt; I earned losing my virginity to a girl I met on tinder, I would personally feel shame if I lost it to a escort if I am being honest. Last and main reason is I found a girl that I fell in love with again, she was just visiting Chicago for a concert for the week and we spent all the days together without it feeling like a burden and we clicked at a level I hadn't in a while. We set up arrangements that we would do a long distance relationship for a year and if it worked out well, she would move here but after like 2 months, I just couldn't do it anymore and I ventured into this to try filling that hole but really it turned from a once a week thing to a couple times refreshing the line ups for all the apartment places trying to see which had the best pull. I was also doing all this behind her back because she would kill me if they knew, so I would just turn my location on from my second phone and get out of the house, make my way to do the deed and then act like everything was fine. My original plan was to just cut cold turkey once she moved but deep down I don't know if I ever want to stop this because it's honestly very fun. Long story short, relationships are very hard, she didn't like that I wasn't putting proper effort into things, so she chose to start making me feel miserable so I would break up with her instead of doing it herself. I turned to the high end section of the forum, I think if you go back I am probably the person that bumped that section up because honestly I don't really mind paying more to get a better looking girl whose "less ran thru" (very subjective ik) and GFE is just amazing instead of a pump and dump. I usually stuck to eros girls but was bored and decided to go on escort alligator and see what was there and ran into a listing, I didn't really deep dive into the pics too hard and just made my way instead, normal procedure I got to the door but when THEY opened the door and we were talking, THEY came in for a hug and I felt a bulge and excused myself to the bathroom to look at the listing maybe I was tweaking because I was high during this all and no mention of a cock in the listing. I panicked a bit and was looking for a way out, we had agreed to payment thru venmo beforehand and I have my extra card always linked where it will always auto decline the charges, pull the good old switcharoo to get out of the situation but this **** made a big deal about me wasting their time and I essentially got blackmailed for like a whole week after that in hopes I would pay up and that put me on the shelf for the hobby for a bit cause it was so much and I honestly wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Since all this though, I became a hinge demon, I got really into fitness during the pandemic and recently finally began actually cutting properly and I am not like a full chad or the most beautiful man ever but I look good and I think my partners wouldn't be ashamed or anything standing next to me. I have certain qualities that make me stand out ALOT (if any of you ever meet me in person you'll get what I am talking about haha and you'll be like I get what you meant) and I've honestly grown into my body and my ability to yap with a women is really out of this world. I met an asian girl and I made her squirt multiple times literally almost every time we fucked but she ended up kicking me out of her house because she thought "I wasn't the one" but I don't think I would be able to do that without this hobby. It was a tough year from me for most angles, my business went to shit, I lost more girls than I wanted to and I honestly thought I would be maybe engaged by this time? But majority of these experiences have been good except a couple bad actors. I am not sure if there will ever be an end for me for this hobby, I was thinking maybe when I get to a 100 bodies, I call it quits but I am slowly starting to creep on that number thru all escorts, dating apps and ONS from parties. I will say this is such an expensive hobby and I collect sneakers for my other hobby where I am used to paying crazy premiums so money has less value to me personally. Thank you if you read my rant or whatever you consider this, if you have any input feel free to give it, I know most of you guys are boomers so I genuinely wouldn't mind seeing what you guys have to say.
OldSchoolGuy73
12-27-23, 13:32
I don't know exactly what you are asking people to comment on, I didn't see any actual question in your entire Monger storyline. So the only thing I will comment on, is that you need to understand that this isn't a hobby it's an addiction. You also need to come to terms to what you want to get out of it. You can't honestly expect to start a healthy relationship with someone new if you are sleeping with escorts on the side. A good portion of the men here seek escorts while married because of a sexless marriage, or issues with sex with their partner. Some don't have a partner at all and need the sex from a women and this is their outlet. Some have sex with their partner and just simply want variety and this is that outlet; But you need to understand that this addiction has it's risks. Some might be quite obvious, like getting an STD, costing you a ton of money in the end. The not so obvious one are, ruining your idea of a relationship, ruining how you view sex and what gets you off, re-programming your sexual gratification an unrealistic sex life of having multiple partners. One woman will never be able to sexually satisfy you after a while. I don't know why your goal is 100 women, if it's just a numbers game for you to make you feel like a PIMP then maybe re-evaluate what you are actually after. I can only assure you that it's best to figure out your true purpose and goals. The longer you are in this addiction the more you'll eventually pay for it in some way or another. There's a reason girls come and go in this addiction, they don't last long because it's mentally taxing and emotionally damaging for some women. If you talk to any of the escorts long enough you'll realize they are in this business for a reason and that' simply to make money fast. The smart ones make their cash quickly and dip out, the ones that say in for the long game often have some serious, serious issues. Good luck in finding out your goal and if finding a healthy relationship is your goal, I say to focus on that and leave this addiction behind.It's the thrill finding her online getting to the place be it a hotel or apartment and that magical moment when the door opens and you pass it then turn back to see who was behind it. The outfit the perfume drives me crazy. I still have amazing sex with the misses and she's a 9 possibly a 10 if she didn't nag so much but that's what turns me on is the suspense. Reading these testimonies has gotten me to slow down a lot and now have that regret lingering in the back of my mind so I try avoid it even though I still search. Personally I liked to be touched and stroked and get a BBBJ with some ball sucking the sex is secondary. Worst part is I had a great year at work and received an huge bonus and that itch has intensified due to increase in funds.
TwilightCircus
01-05-24, 22:22
Hey guys,
I'm going to start looking for a therapist and I remember seeing some people mentioning to look for a "sex positive" therapist but I don't know what that means exactly. Can someone with experience DM me with some help as to what to look for?
Thanks in advance!
Illinois Guy 7
01-06-24, 18:00
So many are wanting to share their complete story. I get it. My best friend and confidante passed away a few years ago and I do not share my "hobby" with coworkers, relatives, other friends. I guess deep down I am ashamed that I partake so much. I have shared here before so will update y'all. If nobody reads it, it's okay. I still feel the need to purge these thoughts.
So I have run through various avenues of service. I don't care for the AMP adventures. Korean Palace has been my go-to for the last 2 years. But I returned to a former agency lady who became an independent lady I have previously referred to as my "Salma Hayek" in both body and facial looks and she's younger than Salma, but not by all that much. Because she keeps a lower volume than many others, and because I pay the same directly that I did thru the agency, my Salma wants to keep me and has become a great GFE provider- DFK the whole time, BBBJ, DATY, and bare FS. She knows that I love really big tits and she indulges my need for titty-face and otherwise worshipping her body. I have only kept up with Korean Palace because of the addiction to seeing different young hotties who also kiss and provide most of those same services, but really- I should give them up. The problem is very simple- I have had some of the greatest sex with the hottest women. So what if it hurts my savings? If savings are not for such a wonderful thing, then really what good are they? I guarantee my Salma is better at sex than the actual Salma. And those young hotties from KP- OMFG, they get the spinners with fake boobs and some of the tiniest waists. They kiss like teenagers with their hormones running wild. At my age, I sometimes have a hard time finishing, so I can last most of the hour if she follows my requests to start out slow, and these gals generally do that well. So my "problem" becomes a wonderful thing because Salma or these KP hotties want me to leave happy and they find a way to finish me off.
But is this "normal" ? Why am I ashamed of what I do? Well, probably because I have a significant other, a dead fish who is more than willing to be a cum bucket as often as I like because I do give her the O when we do it. She would not forgive me at all for what I do, but I have tried and tried to put a fire into our nights, and have only succeeded occasionally to get the dead fish into a lively mode. Meanwhile, I can go this week and see a smoking hot lady who will ride me until I am sore or be ridden for an hour of pounding and make me feel like I did her a huge sexual favor by using my skills on her. Fake fantasy or not, that is an awesome thing.
The last time I said I was going to give up KP, a bunch of you messaged me and asked me to allow you to use my membership. No way. I did not actually quit KP and it would be a logistical nightmare to give my info to someone else. I don't even use a burner phone. I am going to try to cut way back on KP and mostly just see Salma. I won't entirely give it up but might cut back so much that "Mike" will eventually drop me. I will see Salma until I retire and move away or until she leaves the business. Her personal life is such a mess that I doubt she quits before I do. I retire soon and plan to move to such a small "tropical" community that I won't be able to continue in this hobby. Everyone will know everyone and talk would get around. But I will have the greatest memories of some of the hottest women on this planet. If it takes you back any, I might have gotten out of this hobby before getting in too deep until I discovered touringgirlsDOTcom, South American hotties. Tessa was about the literal hottest GFE a man could handle. I was actually okay that they went away and saved me from over-indulging. I saw Macie for awhile and she was great, but no passion in her game. But KP took their place and then Salma, I met thru an agency during COVID and she didn't kiss back then. I just came back for the magnificent body and huge naturalistic DD's. When she went indy and recruited me, she became more passionate and I actually can escape into believing she would run away with me if I won the lottery- I bet she would. And sorry guys, she won't let me share her info. She recruits her own way. She prefers men with their own problems and something to lose because so many guys have obsessed over her, put airtags on her car, showed up at her incall when they were drunk and wanted to profess their lust / love for her. I get it, we play like we are lovers, but she knows I go home and turn it off.
Anyway, I think I wanted to share what I can't tell the people around me, but I also wanted to say- FIND A WAY TO END THIS GAME. I know I will quit in a couple / few years and it will be okay to live with the memories.
Hey guys,
I'm going to start looking for a therapist and I remember seeing some people mentioning to look for a "sex positive" therapist but I don't know what that means exactly. Can someone with experience DM me with some help as to what to look for?
Thanks in advance!This means the therapist is not going to shame you, but will understand and appreciate an interest in kink of various types. Google: Chicago therapists sex positive and the first link should be Psychology Today listed. Read the profiles to find a good fit.
So many are wanting to share their complete story. I get it. My best friend and confidante passed away a few years ago and I do not share my "hobby" with coworkers, relatives, other friends. I guess deep down I am ashamed that I partake so much. I have shared here before so will update y'all. If nobody reads it, it's okay. I still feel the need to purge these thoughts.
So I have run through various avenues of service. I don't care for the AMP adventures. Korean Palace has been my go-to for the last 2 years. But I returned to a former agency lady who became an independent lady I have previously referred to as my "Salma Hayek" in both body and facial looks and she's younger than Salma, but not by all that much. Because she keeps a lower volume than many others, and because I pay the same directly that I did thru the agency, my Salma wants to keep me and has become a great GFE provider- DFK the whole time, BBBJ, DATY, and bare FS. She knows that I love really big tits and she indulges my need for titty-face and otherwise worshipping her body. I have only kept up with Korean Palace because of the addiction to seeing different young hotties who also kiss and provide most of those same services, but really- I should give them up. The problem is very simple- I have had some of the greatest sex with the hottest women. So what if it hurts my savings? If savings are not for such a wonderful thing, then really what good are they? I guarantee my Salma is better at sex than the actual Salma. And those young hotties from KP- OMFG, they get the spinners with fake boobs and some of the tiniest waists. They kiss like teenagers with their hormones running wild. At my age, I sometimes have a hard time finishing, so I can last most of the hour if she follows my requests to start out slow, and these gals generally do that well. So my "problem" becomes a wonderful thing because Salma or these KP hotties want me to leave happy and they find a way to finish me off..Is Salma in Chicago and on Tryst or X?
DMichaels69
01-07-24, 11:29
I would think the guy who runs the place is not that stupid to allow for this. But not surprisingly all the trolls came knocking on your door.
So many are wanting to share their complete story. I get it. My best friend and confidante passed away a few years ago and I do not share my "hobby" with coworkers, relatives, other friends. I guess deep down I am ashamed that I partake so much. I have shared here before so will update y'all. If nobody reads it, it's okay. I still feel the need to purge these thoughts.
So I have run through various avenues of service. I don't care for the AMP adventures. Korean Palace has been my go-to for the last 2 years. But I returned to a former agency lady who became an independent lady I have previously referred to as my "Salma Hayek" in both body and facial looks and she's younger than Salma, but not by all that much. Because she keeps a lower volume than many others, and because I pay the same directly that I did thru the agency, my Salma wants to keep me and has become a great GFE provider- DFK the whole time, BBBJ, DATY, and bare FS. She knows that I love really big tits and she indulges my need for titty-face and otherwise worshipping her body. I have only kept up with Korean Palace because of the addiction to seeing different young hotties who also kiss and provide most of those same services, but really- I should give them up. The problem is very simple- I have had some of the greatest sex with the hottest women. So what if it hurts my savings? If savings are not for such a wonderful thing, then really what good are they? I guarantee my Salma is better at sex than the actual Salma. And those young hotties from KP- OMFG, they get the spinners with fake boobs and some of the tiniest waists. They kiss like teenagers with their hormones running wild. At my age, I sometimes have a hard time finishing, so I can last most of the hour if she follows my requests to start out slow, and these gals generally do that well. So my "problem" becomes a wonderful thing because Salma or these KP hotties want me to leave happy and they find a way to finish me off.
But is this "normal" ? Why am I ashamed of what I do? Well, probably because I have a significant other, a dead fish who is more than willing to be a cum bucket as often as I like because I do give her the O when we do it. She would not forgive me at all for what I do, but I have tried and tried to put a fire into our nights, and have only succeeded occasionally to get the dead fish into a lively mode. Meanwhile, I can go this week and see a smoking hot lady who will ride me until I am sore or be ridden for an hour of pounding and make me feel like I did her a huge sexual favor by using my skills on her. Fake fantasy or not, that is an awesome thing.
The last time I said I was going to give up KP, a bunch of you messaged me and asked me to allow you to use my membership. No way. I did not actually quit KP and it would be a logistical nightmare to give my info to someone else. I don't even use a burner phone. I am going to try to cut way back on KP and mostly just see Salma. I won't entirely give it up but might cut back so much that "Mike" will eventually drop me. I will see Salma until I retire and move away or until she leaves the business. Her personal life is such a mess that I doubt she quits before I do. I retire soon and plan to move to such a small "tropical" community that I won't be able to continue in this hobby. Everyone will know everyone and talk would get around. But I will have the greatest memories of some of the hottest women on this planet. If it takes you back any, I might have gotten out of this hobby before getting in too deep until I discovered touringgirlsDOTcom, South American hotties. Tessa was about the literal hottest GFE a man could handle. I was actually okay that they went away and saved me from over-indulging. I saw Macie for awhile and she was great, but no passion in her game. But KP took their place and then Salma, I met thru an agency during COVID and she didn't kiss back then. I just came back for the magnificent body and huge naturalistic DD's. When she went indy and recruited me, she became more passionate and I actually can escape into believing she would run away with me if I won the lottery- I bet she would. And sorry guys, she won't let me share her info. She recruits her own way. She prefers men with their own problems and something to lose because so many guys have obsessed over her, put airtags on her car, showed up at her incall when they were drunk and wanted to profess their lust / love for her. I get it, we play like we are lovers, but she knows I go home and turn it off.
Anyway, I think I wanted to share what I can't tell the people around me, but I also wanted to say- FIND A WAY TO END THIS GAME. I know I will quit in a couple / few years and it will be okay to live with the memories.
Korean Palace is $360 a pop. That can quickly add up. Maybe gambling & drug addictions are more expensive? I used to frequent the Chinese spas justifying I was getting a good massage. In reality those MTs messed up my back rather than helping it. I would never let one of those girls walk on my back again. If I want sex then just go for that. I think you just have to find contentment where you are at. Trying to fill a hole with any addiction sex, drugs, gambling etc isn't going to work.
AngelBravo
01-07-24, 16:00
I think we can understand your point of view and I personally understand how these experiences can be so alluring and desirable. I started this thread because in the process of going through mongering I realized that while I was getting what I thought where amazing experiences they came with a hidden cost. The first is your health, you are putting yourself at serious health risk and it's all fine and dandy until you get some serious incurable disease.
Shortening your life is definitely robbing you out of the best experience which is life and you need to think about that as you make the gamble every time. The other hidden costs besides financially is your mental health. It's no doubt that if you have a significant other knowing you are now a cheater and are living a double life isn't good long term. You aren't being honest with your significant other and yourself. And while yes, in your story the wife is a dead fish in bed, you can't deny that your with her because she offer so much other joy in your life that you love being around. People aren't perfect, and while you say you are trying to improve the situation by giving her advice, the truth is you aren't improving the situation by having sex with partners outside of marriage and possibly bringing that home to her. It's a risk she's taking without her knowledge because she trusts and loves you and you are sacrificing that even if you never get caught.
In your mind, you know what this marriage means to you and that alone will eventually decay your heart and love for her. Other hidden costs are changing you sexual appetite to an unrealistic goals. You know that constantly banging 20 year olds in your 40's, 50's 60's and even possibly 70's is just not sustainable. You risk losing your stable married life for it, and worst case scenario you end up giving your wife and yourself a serious disease and your follow poor health changes everything you've been loving about your life.
BTW I appreciate you sharing your story, please don't take this as I'm bashing on you, I was guilty and am a recovering addict myself of this exact same thing. I think however I saw what I was risking, and saw that eventually my luck would run out and I was simply gambling away my life on every encounter. I had to decide, what I really wanted more, what was more important to me and that's what made me quit.
I had a scare once when I noticed something on my penis, I felt lucky knowing it was simply a minor injury from rubbing one out; but that feeling that I had finally fucked up, that it had caught up with me felt real. I realized in that moment even if it wasn't the case what I really wanted and loved and like a gift, when it healed. I got tested 3 months later and was negative in everything I felt like I was given a second chance at my life and use that memory as a glimpse into what it could be like.
I now feel compelled to share my story as I know many other men could be having the same addiction as I had, and hence this is why I started this thread. It's a safe place for us to share our thoughts and feelings, some men want to quit but don't know how and others simply don't know what they are risking until it's too late. Similar to driving real fast in an exotic car, it's amazing, beautiful and exciting until it ends your life. RIP Paul Walker.
So many are wanting to share their complete story. I get it. My best friend and confidante passed away a few years ago and I do not share my "hobby" with coworkers, relatives, other friends. I guess deep down I am ashamed that I partake so much. I have shared here before so will update y'all. If nobody reads it, it's okay. I still feel the need to purge these thoughts.
So I have run through various avenues of service. I don't care for the AMP adventures. Korean Palace has been my go-to for the last 2 years. But I returned to a former agency lady who became an independent lady I have previously referred to as my "Salma Hayek" in both body and facial looks and she's younger than Salma, but not by all that much. Because she keeps a lower volume than many others, and because I pay the same directly that I did thru the agency, my Salma wants to keep me and has become a great GFE provider- DFK the whole time, BBBJ, DATY, and bare FS. She knows that I love really big tits and she indulges my need for titty-face and otherwise worshipping her body. I have only kept up with Korean Palace because of the addiction to seeing different young hotties who also kiss and provide most of those same services, but really- I should give them up. The problem is very simple- I have had some of the greatest sex with the hottest women. So what if it hurts my savings? If savings are not for such a wonderful thing, then really what good are they? I guarantee my Salma is better at sex than the actual Salma. And those young hotties from KP- OMFG, they get the spinners with fake boobs and some of the tiniest waists. They kiss like teenagers with their hormones running wild. At my age, I sometimes have a hard time finishing, so I can last most of the hour if she follows my requests to start out slow, and these gals generally do that well. So my "problem" becomes a wonderful thing because Salma or these KP hotties want me to leave happy and they find a way to finish me off.
But is this "normal" ? Why am I ashamed of what I do? Well, probably because I have a significant other, a dead fish who is more than willing to be a cum bucket as often as I like because I do give her the O when we do it. She would not forgive me at all for what I do, but I have tried and tried to put a fire into our nights, and have only succeeded occasionally to get the dead fish into a lively mode. Meanwhile, I can go this week and see a smoking hot lady who will ride me until I am sore or be ridden for an hour of pounding and make me feel like I did her a huge sexual favor by using my skills on her. Fake fantasy or not, that is an awesome thing.
The last time I said I was going to give up KP, a bunch of you messaged me and asked me to allow you to use my membership. No way. I did not actually quit KP and it would be a logistical nightmare to give my info to someone else. I don't even use a burner phone. I am going to try to cut way back on KP and mostly just see Salma. I won't entirely give it up but might cut back so much that "Mike" will eventually drop me. I will see Salma until I retire and move away or until she leaves the business. Her personal life is such a mess that I doubt she quits before I do. I retire soon and plan to move to such a small "tropical" community that I won't be able to continue in this hobby. Everyone will know everyone and talk would get around. But I will have the greatest memories of some of the hottest women on this planet. If it takes you back any, I might have gotten out of this hobby before getting in too deep until I discovered touringgirlsDOTcom, South American hotties. Tessa was about the literal hottest GFE a man could handle. I was actually okay that they went away and saved me from over-indulging. I saw Macie for awhile and she was great, but no passion in her game. But KP took their place and then Salma, I met thru an agency during COVID and she didn't kiss back then. I just came back for the magnificent body and huge naturalistic DD's. When she went indy and recruited me, she became more passionate and I actually can escape into believing she would run away with me if I won the lottery- I bet she would. And sorry guys, she won't let me share her info. She recruits her own way. She prefers men with their own problems and something to lose because so many guys have obsessed over her, put airtags on her car, showed up at her incall when they were drunk and wanted to profess their lust / love for her. I get it, we play like we are lovers, but she knows I go home and turn it off.
Anyway, I think I wanted to share what I can't tell the people around me, but I also wanted to say- FIND A WAY TO END THIS GAME. I know I will quit in a couple / few years and it will be okay to live with the memories.
Illinois Guy 7
01-08-24, 01:05
.... The other hidden costs besides financially is your mental health. It's no doubt that if you have a significant other knowing you are now a cheater and are living a double life isn't good long term. You aren't being honest with your significant other and yourself. And while yes, in your story the wife is a dead fish in bed, you can't deny that your with her because she offer so much other joy in your life that you love being around. People aren't perfect, and while you say you are trying to improve the situation by giving her advice, the truth is you aren't improving the situation by having sex with partners outside of marriage and possibly bringing that home to her. It's a risk she's taking without her knowledge because she trusts and loves you and you are sacrificing that even if you never get caught.
In your mind, you know what this marriage means to you and that alone will eventually decay your heart and love for her. Other hidden costs are changing you sexual appetite to an unrealistic goals. You know that constantly banging 20 year olds in your 40's, 50's 60's and even possibly 70's is just not sustainable. You risk losing your stable married life for it, and worst case scenario you end up giving your wife and yourself a serious disease and your follow poor health changes everything you've been loving about your life.
Thanks for so much to think about. I do know that self-justification reasoning on my part is evidence of addiction. I also feel that getting away from agencies and high volume escorts will minimize my risks to a point I feel willing to take.
As far as my SO is concerned, only I can truly know what that relationship means to me, although you hit on the truth of what it means to her. I promised much to her, and if I were a financial genius or felt she could make it without my help, I would be gone. I am not the person I was when we met, but she pretty much is the same person. But what that means is that I woke up to some realities and she got left behind in a fantasy world filled with the lies of a dangerous spiritual life. Cannot say more on that.
And if I am being honest with myself, I would still like to end those slight risks now, but I feel like an addict asking for a little more time, a few more fixes. I hope my end game will work for me. I will force myself to quit, but tomorrow and not today, next week and not this one, a couple months, years from now. Yeah, I hear the addiction in that.
AngelBravo
01-08-24, 01:47
I think it's healthy to first come to terms with the realization that this is an addiction. And just like any other addiction, people say you quit when you hit rock bottom. I really don't hope that happens for you as that could go really really bad, but it should atleast trigger some thoughts within yourself to ask yourself. What would need to happen for you to finally quit, keep that in mind and if that thing ever happens that hopefully isn't a rock bottom event then that's your queue to remember that self-conversation and quit. If you don't you'll always move the goal posts and never quit until you are absolutely forced out of it by some really bad event.
Thanks for so much to think about. I do know that self-justification reasoning on my part is evidence of addiction. I also feel that getting away from agencies and high volume escorts will minimize my risks to a point I feel willing to take.
As far as my SO is concerned, only I can truly know what that relationship means to me, although you hit on the truth of what it means to her. I promised much to her, and if I were a financial genius or felt she could make it without my help, I would be gone. I am not the person I was when we met, but she pretty much is the same person. But what that means is that I woke up to some realities and she got left behind in a fantasy world filled with the lies of a dangerous spiritual life. Cannot say more on that.
And if I am being honest with myself, I would still like to end those slight risks now, but I feel like an addict asking for a little more time, a few more fixes. I hope my end game will work for me. I will force myself to quit, but tomorrow and not today, next week and not this one, a couple months, years from now. Yeah, I hear the addiction in that.
I started this thread because in the process of going through mongering I realized that while I was getting what I thought where amazing experiences they came with a hidden cost. The first is your health, you are putting yourself at serious health risk and it's all fine and dandy until you get some serious incurable disease.
Sorry, not buying it. You no longer monger because the scene sucks.
AngelBravo
01-16-24, 23:44
Sorry, not buying it. You no longer monger because the scene sucks.You don't have to buy it, I'm not selling anything, just sharing my thoughts. For the record, the scene always sucked, you are buying a fantasy and it's all fake. If you think your paying for anything else then yes it sucks, but once you realize what it is your getting and what you want only then will you be able to truly resolve the Mongering itch.
Sorry, not buying it. You no longer monger because the scene sucks.Totally agree with you, he posts the same tired "warnings." Wish he would just stay gone as HE promised.
AngelBravo
01-19-24, 00:25
Totally agree with you, he posts the same tired "warnings." Wish he would just stay gone as HE promised.I think your right, I'm just trying to give someone else the enlightenment I got. Many people did reach out to me and I felt like I genuinely gave them good advice. Everyone has their own patch to walk, but it doesn't hurt to listen to someone who's already been down that path.
Look when I started this thread if you look on Post 1, I wasn't trying to quit. I was sharing what I genuinely learned doing this and thought I'd save someone the time. It was only after a few moments of clarity and me telling myself the truth that I started to see things differently. I wondered if others felt the same and just wanted to share my thoughts in hopes it would help others.
I wish you all the best, I really do, I hope you keep doing this without getting burned and you all just keep smiling and having a great time. Just know if things go south, don't say I didn't warn you. Take care.
TallDarkNotHandsome93
01-19-24, 01:26
You don't have to buy it, I'm not selling anything, just sharing my thoughts. For the record, the scene always sucked, you are buying a fantasy and it's all fake. If you think your paying for anything else then yes it sucks, but once you realize what it is your getting and what you want only then will you be able to truly resolve the Mongering itch.I hear a lot of bitching about the scene. It's really not that bad compared to other areas throughout the US LOL.
Totally agree with you, he posts the same tired "warnings." Wish he would just stay gone as HE promised.
Sorry, not buying it. You no longer monger because the scene sucks.In the spirit of this forum, and in this Thread / Blog specifically, I don't see the point of criticizing AngelBravo, or anyone else, who is offering advice or an alternative point of view, aiming to keep other guys safe. Nothing that AngelBravo says is negative or mean-spirited, just thoughtful considerations.
ChicagoBred33
01-19-24, 12:05
I think your right, I'm just trying to give someone else the enlightenment I got. Many people did reach out to me and I felt like I genuinely gave them good advice. Everyone has their own patch to walk, but it doesn't hurt to listen to someone who's already been down that path.
Look when I started this thread if you look on Post 1, I wasn't trying to quit. I was sharing what I genuinely learned doing this and thought I'd save someone the time. It was only after a few moments of clarity and me telling myself the truth that I started to see things differently. I wondered if others felt the same and just wanted to share my thoughts in hopes it would help others.
I wish you all the best, I really do, I hope you keep doing this without getting burned and you all just keep smiling and having a great time. Just know if things go south, don't say I didn't warn you. Take care.I appreciate your insight, I think there can always be positives found in listening to someone's experiences in a shared hobby like this. That being said, if you think the STD risk in the hobby is significantly worse than civie life, you must not be dating there either. The majority of women I know who had or are stuck with STDs are civies who work regular jobs. In general, I would trust a high end escort much more than I would trust a random girl off tinder.
I hope quitting gave you peace of mind and you are able to find what you are looking for, but constantly coming back to this board is like a cigarette smoker claiming to quit and then just picking up chaw or vaping. I don't know you but your posts at this point come off as condescending and somewhat back-handing with a glint below the surface that you are hoping people get burned so you can clamber back in here saying "I told you so. " You post exactly like someone who fell in love with a working girl and got spurned would post, and if that's the case I'm sorry.
Goodluck in your journey and finding what you want in life.
Thanks for the wisdom Ron and welcoming of me a newb. I definitely need to work my up to wilder things. Not at that GB level yet.PM sent.
If you're still interested let me know.
Illinois Guy 7
03-18-24, 10:46
I think it's healthy to first come to terms with the realization that this is an addiction. And just like any other addiction, people say you quit when you hit rock bottom. I really don't hope that happens for you as that could go really really bad, but it should at least trigger some thoughts within yourself to ask yourself. What would need to happen for you to finally quit, keep that in mind and if that thing ever happens that hopefully isn't a rock bottom event then that's your queue to remember that self-conversation and quit. If you don't you'll always move the goal posts and never quit until you are absolutely forced out of it by some really bad event.Update on me. I remember seeing Macie every week a couple years ago and decided to quit as I felt I was rolling the dice because she was sharing all holes without a cover. Despite her inability to really "act," she was doing it for me with a smoking hot body. I had replaced her with the one I call Salma Hayek, an indy girl similar in age and build as the real Salma, but probably much better in bed. (I would love an actual comparison.) Salma indulged my huge tits urges and wasn't as athletic as Macie, but tried really hard to keep me coming back, offered excellent pussy play and DFK and didn't offer ALL the extras that Macie gave, but I wasn't really into those extras. Salma went so far as to do bare with me on a regular basis. I was also going to Korean Palace to enjoy the variety and the great GFE experiences. That's when I reported on here that I am an addict and will probably stop going to KP and stick with Salma.
No, I went a different direction. I quit Salma for the same reason I quit Macie. If she's bare with me, she is probably bare with others to keep them coming back. But I still see the ladies at KP. I am getting old and ready to retire and I want to quit that too. But like an addict, I ask for one more round of fun, one more year, one more lady, at least one more time. I am not fooling myself about the addiction, but I have avoided the "rock bottom" situations so far. So here's my new plan to taper off. I am exclusive to KP now. And over time, the favorites stop coming and new ladies start coming. So to end my addiction, I decided that I am sticking with repeats and no new ladies. (I say that after just seeing the latest new lady at KP, so Sweet Purple was the last one.) Cold turkey sounds nice but I feel I am not ready for that. I might fail and go back to Salma or even Macie if I try to quit KP also. So I will visit with the same ladies I have already seen. If I don't quit soon, they will stop coming around. (Yes, I can hear the addict in me making this grand promise, but I have to try something. I really like this "hobby" and want a bit more time.) I know it's not a great plan, but it's mine.
Is this thread meant to offer advice for newbies getting into the hobby? Or is it advice for newbies to not participate / how to exit the hobby?
I'd hope it's the former since this board is all about facilitating folks safely paying for pussy with women that provide a good service for that cash.
Is this thread meant to offer advice for newbies getting into the hobby? Or is it advice for newbies to not participate / how to exit the hobby?
I'd hope it's the former since this board is all about facilitating folks safely paying for pussy with women that provide a good service for that cash.This thread is a wide open posting of monger war stories. The good, bad, and ugly. Read them and interpret them as you wish. Getting into the hobby is pretty easy; getting out. Not so much!
Illinois Guy 7
03-18-24, 22:23
This thread is a wide open posting of monger war stories. The good, bad, and ugly. Read them and interpret them as you wish. Getting into the hobby is pretty easy; getting out. Not so much!Well said. It's mainly for sharing great information for those IN the hobby, but "the good, the bad, and ugly" is important too.
To a newbie, I guess what this thread has warped into is this: be careful how much this hobby sucks you in.
Update on me. I remember seeing Macie every week a couple years ago and decided to quit as I felt I was rolling the dice because she was sharing all holes without a cover. Despite her inability to really "act," she was doing it for me with a smoking hot body. I had replaced her with the one I call Salma Hayek, an indy girl similar in age and build as the real Salma, but probably much better in bed. (I would love an actual comparison.) Salma indulged my huge tits urges and wasn't as athletic as Macie, but tried really hard to keep me coming back, offered excellent pussy play and DFK and didn't offer ALL the extras that Macie gave, but I wasn't really into those extras. Salma went so far as to do bare with me on a regular basis. I was also going to Korean Palace to enjoy the variety and the great GFE experiences. That's when I reported on here that I am an addict and will probably stop going to KP and stick with Salma.
No, I went a different direction. I quit Salma for the same reason I quit Macie. If she's bare with me, she is probably bare with others to keep them coming back. But I still see the ladies at KP. I am getting old and ready to retire and I want to quit that too. But like an addict, I ask for one more round of fun, one more year, one more lady, at least one more time. I am not fooling myself about the addiction, but I have avoided the "rock bottom" situations so far. So here's my new plan to taper off. I am exclusive to KP now. And over time, the favorites stop coming and new ladies start coming. So to end my addiction, I decided that I am sticking with repeats and no new ladies. (I say that after just seeing the latest new lady at KP, so Sweet Purple was the last one.) Cold turkey sounds nice but I feel I am not ready for that. I might fail and go back to Salma or even Macie if I try to quit KP also. So I will visit with the same ladies I have already seen. If I don't quit soon, they will stop coming around. (Yes, I can hear the addict in me making this grand promise, but I have to try something. I really like this "hobby" and want a bit more time.) I know it's not a great plan, but it's mine.I understand completely the fear, and the risk of this hobby. Personally, I don't often go, and pay for women because I very much value saving money, and not recklessly spending it on things that aren't to essential to life, but as you can see by my activity here I to indulge in this hobby from time to time. I will say I have a few women that I frequent, and have women who I see who fly across states to escort who visit Chicago. The one place that I stopped going to the most is probably would have to be the asian apartments even though it can be great time, to me it's not worth it because of the volume of guys that go there is so high its crazy. They have no appointments, and sometimes they'll just bunch guys in a room to wait they're turn so to me its risky how many guys rotate in there in just a day especially if a popular girl arrives. It's just not worth it I had a scare one time I went and decided going there to take a risk to see a girl who might not be attractive or provide a good service isn't my cup of tea for the risk. Now about Macie I find her as well very hard to give up because she just provides a amazing PSE experience on top of you choosing to go bare (which I have indulged every time I've seen her) and like the rest have said is that she rarely ever says no to any crazy request we might have LOL. Even then I still keep the fear in the back of my mind of seeing a girl who provides bare to anyone, but at the same time I tell myself that for her to be doing this, this long without having any complaints (except the one time a scare popped up but turned out to be rumor as a revenge post) that she must be doing something right? The thing that eases my mind about her (maybe a delusion?) is the precautions she takes by taking PrEP, getting tested, and by the tales of men hear it seems she's hard to meet which is a good thing to have a time frame between when she gets tested and seeing a number of guys, another big thing is her anonymity even though she's still popular, but if you really think about she has no social media presence whatsoever and if she advertised on twitter especially and they found out a wh0re is providing a bare, PSE, and three hole service where anything goes, and she doesn't say no, and at her price rate, she would have guys flying across the US into chicago just to see her, and even more so probably in areas outside of Chicago in Illinois driving up here where she doesn't even post. Believe me twitter is probably the best place to find some of the most hardcore / fetish friendly PSE escorts across the states. Thats how I see some of them when they fly into Chicago.
Illinois Guy 7
03-21-24, 17:11
Now about Macie I find her as well very hard to give up because she just provides a amazing PSE experience on top of you choosing to go bare (which I have indulged every time I've seen her) and like the rest have said is that she rarely ever says no to any crazy request we might have LOL. Even then I still keep the fear in the back of my mind of seeing a girl who provides bare to anyone, but at the same time I tell myself that for her to be doing this, this long without having any complaints (except the one time a scare popped up but turned out to be rumor as a revenge post) that she must be doing something right? The thing that eases my mind about her (maybe a delusion?) is the precautions she takes by taking PrEP, getting tested, and by the tales of men hear it seems she's hard to meet which is a good thing to have a time frame between when she gets tested and seeing a number of guys, another big thing is her anonymity even though she's still popular, but if you really think about she has no social media presence whatsoever and if she advertised on twitter especially and they found out a wh0re is providing a bare, PSE, and three hole service where anything goes, and she doesn't say no, and at her price rate, she would have guys flying across the US into chicago just to see her, and even more so probably in areas outside of Chicago in Illinois driving up here where she doesn't even post. Believe me twitter is probably the best place to find some of the most hardcore / fetish friendly PSE escorts across the states. Thats how I see some of them when they fly into Chicago.Newbies, Macie is someone you may meet. She is thin, hot as hell, has a lower price point than agency girls, and she is meticulously clean and does her best to avoid "illness" from her lifestyle and to avoid bad customers, all without a pimp. I resist the urge to start seeing her again, but I stand by what I said: I decided to quit Macie as I felt I was rolling the dice because she was sharing all holes without a cover. While many other girls are also "busy" like Macie, KP girls "virtually" never do bare full service or anal. But everything has it's risks.
Newbies, Macie is someone you may meet. She is thin, hot as hell, has a lower price point than agency girls, and she is meticulously clean and does her best to avoid "illness" from her lifestyle and to avoid bad customers, all without a pimp. I resist the urge to start seeing her again, but I stand by what I said: I decided to quit Macie as I felt I was rolling the dice because she was sharing all holes without a cover. While many other girls are also "busy" like Macie, KP girls "virtually" never do bare full service or anal. But everything has it's risks.Yea, I always feel like I'm rolling dice with every girl I see both the escort hookups or the girls I've been with that I had to pick up. Like they say even condoms sometimes may not protect us and we keep pushing the odds & probability with every visit we make. I try to keep a positive mindset and pray I don't suffer the chance by choice, but you never know. Hopefully with time and future medical advancements this will become something we don't even need to worry about anymore.
Penetrator095
03-27-24, 21:12
What's up all and Merry Christmas! I have to say SA have been pretty busy and great for me for the past few months and I'm hoping to add one more gal in my rotation. I sometimes wonder if I make the best decision and I'm just curious to know what would you guys pick and why?
Which one would you pick in such situations.
1) 21 year old, no kids, BBBJ, cfs, kiss, body 8/10, face 8/10 Follows orders well, Performance 7/10. For 400.
2) 30 year old, no kids, BBBJ, cip, don't kiss, body 9/10, face 8/10. Almost like a dead fish, but follows orders well, always on SA. Performance 5/10. For 400.
3) 40 year old, has kids, BBBJ, cip, kiss, body 6/10 (baby damage) face 9/10. Definitely full GFE experience. Almost never on SA. Performance 10/10. For 350.
Thanks!Can someone please enlighten me what SA is??
Penetrator095
03-27-24, 21:23
PM sent.
If you're still interested let me know.I've seen you post in other forums and I'm getting the urge to check some of these gangbangs out. I've gone to adult theaters hoping to see some of this happen and maybe even get involved. Would be a newbie to gangbangs but always wanted to experience it. I've gone to many AMPs always thought it'll be cool to gangbang one of those girls with other mongers who were awaiting. Maybe just a fantasy but was super close to gangbanging a hot chick on Reddit before she mentioned I had to do some extremely gay things with other men to get involved. It was a no go for me from there LOL.
Penetrator095
03-28-24, 11:23
Newbies, Macie is someone you may meet. She is thin, hot as hell, has a lower price point than agency girls, and she is meticulously clean and does her best to avoid "illness" from her lifestyle and to avoid bad customers, all without a pimp. I resist the urge to start seeing her again, but I stand by what I said: I decided to quit Macie as I felt I was rolling the dice because she was sharing all holes without a cover. While many other girls are also "busy" like Macie, KP girls "virtually" never do bare full service or anal. But everything has its risks.Is this Macie girl still around? She sounds awesome.
Any way I can get in contact with her? Any links?
ChicagoScott
03-28-24, 18:29
I'm assuming this is her. For the price point, want to take the plunge, but the one-off review on one of her links hopefully is simply a pissed off customer or something.
https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/macie-3233217522-333880
Is this Macie girl still around? She sounds awesome.
Any way I can get in contact with her? Any links?
ApplesLoveMe
03-28-24, 19:10
I'm assuming this is her. For the price point, want to take the plunge, but the one-off review on one of her links hopefully is simply a pissed off customer or something.
https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/macie-3233217522-333880That's her. While a good deal, don't particularly find her attractive at all. She's weird. Looks like her eyelids are glued shut. Has an odd voice and seemed to be on something both times I've seen her. Doesn't react much. Basically a sex doll with weird quirks.
I've seen you post in other forums and I'm getting the urge to check some of these gangbangs out. I've gone to adult theaters hoping to see some of this happen and maybe even get involved. Would be a newbie to gangbangs but always wanted to experience it. I've gone to many AMPs always thought it'll be cool to gangbang one of those girls with other mongers who were awaiting. Maybe just a fantasy but was super close to gangbanging a hot chick on Reddit before she mentioned I had to do some extremely gay things with other men to get involved. It was a no go for me from there LOL.There's no contact between the guys. Moving around the girl there might be a little unintentional contact. Surrounding the girl it happens every now and then when moving around her.
Most that have attended this was their first group event.
She's newbie friendly and understands that first time guys will be nervous in a group setting.
Read my reviews on my previous gangbangs in the Gangbangs and Trains thread.
I've seen you post in other forums and I'm getting the urge to check some of these gangbangs out. I've gone to adult theaters hoping to see some of this happen and maybe even get involved. Would be a newbie to gangbangs but always wanted to experience it. I've gone to many AMPs always thought it'll be cool to gangbang one of those girls with other mongers who were awaiting. Maybe just a fantasy but was super close to gangbanging a hot chick on Reddit before she mentioned I had to do some extremely gay things with other men to get involved. It was a no go for me from there LOL.I have tried to go to Ron events I think I asked like 2 times and was ready to do it first timer here on gb but. My partner I think she has a spidy sense and just blow my chances I tried when the events were on regulars days so I tried after work asked ron for info but suddenly she wants to go out after I got out of work 🙃 at my second time I just quit because don't want to be that men asking and not going and now they are at 11.30 I have nothing so I can be outside at that time xD lucky you guys can do fun things now my schedule changed at work maybe one day it will be like those suddenly afternoon gb he do once in a while and I can be ready if I got lucky will be keeping an eye on rom post.
I have tried to go to Ron events I think I asked like 2 times and was ready to do it first timer here on gb but. My partner I think she has a spidy sense and just blow my chances I tried when the events were on regulars days so I tried after work asked ron for info but suddenly she wants to go out after I got out of work 🙃 at my second time I just quit because don't want to be that men asking and not going and now they are at 11.30 I have nothing so I can be outside at that time xD lucky you guys can do fun things now my schedule changed at work maybe one day it will be like those suddenly afternoon gb he do once in a while and I can be ready if I got lucky will be keeping an eye on rom post.I'm not against meeting during the day if you have a location set up to meet.
I can't host at my location during the day and evening. There are too many people around and nearby. Late night everyone has gone home. This is why I can only host late night at my location.
The previous location where I could host during the day is no longer available.
Good Value
04-06-24, 19:24
Can someone please enlighten me what SA is??Seeking Arrangements.
BringBackBp
04-09-24, 10:11
That's her. While a good deal, don't particularly find her attractive at all. She's weird. Looks like her eyelids are glued shut. Has an odd voice and seemed to be on something both times I've seen her. Doesn't react much. Basically a sex doll with weird quirks.She also apparently only sees white men. So all my fellow POC don't even bother LOL.
Illinois Guy 7
04-09-24, 21:40
That's her. While a good deal, don't particularly find her attractive at all. She's weird. Looks like her eyelids are glued shut. Has an odd voice and seemed to be on something both times I've seen her. Doesn't react much. Basically a sex doll with weird quirks.I won't be her "White Knight" on this forum, but she's not 'on something. ' That wouldn't go well for her if she was high or otherwise under the influence. The person behind Macie seems to channel Macie to do what she does, so she's not herself. It's probably just as weird as being high until you get used to it. And YMMV on attractiveness. I disagree, but I hope most at least agree she has a hot bod.
George Stark
04-09-24, 23:05
Re: Macie:
She also apparently only sees white men. So all my fellow POC don't even bother LOL.If this is true, it's new. I PMd last fall with a black member was regular with her at the time.
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