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James D 2004
11-06-05, 21:59
I would like to start this thread in the International guide, which could invite worldwide contribution, but that wasn't allowed. So I start here 1st and hope we will have a section over there later.

Morality, American woman, best women, too tired too narrow topics. Also, rather than just rambling, we all hope to get something more out of it to show the world? To gain a place in mortality? Contribution to civilization?

James D 2004
11-06-05, 22:07
After some animated discussion, this is the refined theory, refined a little bit.

It's a simple classification from absolutely no choice, against free will, Slavery typical, if exist, in under developed countries, to lots of choice, purely voluntary, Materialism typical in developed countries. Things are never so clear cut so there's some overlapping. Poverty ranges from being sold into slavery, not enough food, to wanting to eat decent and wear decent. Further on the line will be girls want things, be it more meat for the family, to a Gucci bag.

James D 2004
12-23-05, 22:23
Interesting article.........

http://www.sandiegomag.com/issues/june04/featured0604.asp

Baldy CruiserI told you so.

PsyberZombie
12-24-05, 09:15
I told you so.

Cite the Post where you mentioned this Article

James D 2004
12-27-05, 15:56
It depends on personal profile, reporter profile and destination profile.

* Personal profile

Physical features - you have to realize that while pictures in ISG is realistic, they do not give you the full picture of what is available. Girls with nothing to lose are more willing to post their face, full body and close up shots, because amateur photographers are a bit dangerous. You can lose a lot of customers for a bad picture. Typically they don't rely on the net to hook up.

On the other hand, the internet advertisements are often too unrealistic. Even the most reputable sites have misleading pictures.

Hookers are often not from the majority of the local populations. Hookers are disproportionately minorities in some places. Even poor countries import workers from poorer countries. The other is trafficking. You can find East Europeans, Asians all over the world.

Budget - take into account transport cost, accommodation, and the days when you are not earning any money.

Service - any special service would be YMMV. But the back door is easy in South America and South Asia. Rimming, tongue bath more popular in East Asia. Asia more GFE. Allnighter is easier in South East Asia because of affordability.

Quality - looking for quality isn't easy as you know a lot less than your home base and you have to complete with the local elites and expatriates.

Language Skills - if you don't speak the language, don't compete with lots or other tourists that do.

Visibility - it's a double edge sword if you stick out like a sore thumb. You are sought after or you are ignored. They charge you more or you don't have specials. I hate to travel long haul obviously as a sex tourist. I prefer to take a detour and take a short connect flight to the final destination. It's cheaper too.

Distance - if you are for a short vacation, a day or two of jet lag both on arrival and departure cost you a lot of time. Long distance means high cost of ticket.

Duration - a week or less doesn't make sense for some long haul destinations when you have to pay everything out of your own pocket.

Comfort Level - the more backward the destinations, often the higher is the cost of decent hotels. Often you have to pay more for the same size and service back home.

Health & Safety - major diseases and crime statistics are easily available on the net.

* Reporter profile

Reliability - there are commercial promoters, flukes and clueless tourists.

Bias - the absolute price matters a lot more to a business tripper on budget, than a vacationer traveling across half the world.

* Destination profile

Tourist vs local - many places have a fabulous sex industry but geared towards locals, the extreme case being Tokyo. Even if you are recognized to have lots of money in your pocket, some joints just don't bother about the minor revenue. Taking in higher risk westerners may alienate the locals.

Fault tolerance - you will not be easily disappointed if there are qualities and services across the spectrum.

Other activities - how many hours can you fuck in a day? In the 1st day? In the 7th day? It's good to have a pretty escort, private car, driver, good food and wine.

James D 2004
01-04-06, 19:08
Original full post is here:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=406534&postcount=5

Updates:
Service - any special service would be YMMV. But the back door is easy in South America and South Asia. Rimming, tongue bath more popular in East Asia. Asia more GFE. Allnighter is easier in South East Asia because of affordability.

(Quality combined into service) Looking for quality isn't easy as you know a lot less than your home base and you have to complete with the local elites and expatriates.

Judged by the cost, the ultimate service seem to be a low mileage non-pro good looking girl with make believe GFE, exclusive. Billionaires spend millions on it. PSE is dirt cheap by comparison.

GFE is not about how many strokes per min, or how many minutes. In Asia there are all nighter specialists, whose girls by definition only do one customer per night or none. European traditional escorts who supplement their day jobs by doing one or at most two dates in the evenings. They are completely dry in the contracted state, getting wet on stimulation, and can easily manage orgasms if screwed properly.

On the other extreme, there are many young and beautiful girls who doesn't cost much. They hate sex, or intimacy, or just man. You can screw however you want as long as you do it on your own. Most customers don't repeat, except those who haven't seen beautiful girls much, doesn't need much to get an erection in no time, like to keep at it for minutes without any reaction as if they are virgins or released convicts.

In between is those Asian underground private clock networks. These girls are young, low mileage, live with their families. They cannot work full time. They are relatively secretive to avoid pimps or the cut of nightclubs, and sometimes they are not old enough to work in clubs. They go by the internet and referrals. Their tightness are incomparable to high volume brothels workers and even low volume escorts. Often they enjoy the work too.

stoxnbonds
06-07-06, 00:44
Leafing through an old Econ journal from 2002 in search of something quite different, I discovered a very serious and well-argued piece of technical social science. The article is entitled "A Theory of Prostitution". I was happy to see it was written by two female economists.

The authors were intrigued by the fact that prostitution is a low-skilled, low investment, undeniably female occupation -- typical indicators of a low-paying career -- yet generates a high relative income. That is, in relation to average incomes in their respective countries, prostitutes are pretty well-off.

But, it gets stranger.

Wealthy countries (USA, Canada, Western Europe, Japan) have the *lowest paid* prostitutes relative to per capita incomes. In poorer countries, prostitution is one of the more lucrative jobs a woman can have, so on a relative basis, they are more well-off than many of their neighbors, including many men. But not so in wealthier countries.

The authors weave a detailed and interesting argument that explains the above facts and more.

If you're not used to reading economic journals, you may find the logic somewhat alien -- it takes some practice. And there is math here-and-there, but you don't have to do math to get their points.

For your edification I searched it out on the web. Enjoy.

Stox

http://the-idea-shop.com/papers/prostitution.pdf

Top Gallant
06-18-06, 15:01
A fairly classic microecon treatment without real reference to morality, except as something utterly dependent on material factors.

It treats women's motivations (high income against a low skill level and low capital investment) a bit more thoroughly than men's. It just seems to assert as given facts that men have a higher sex drive, desire partner variety more than women, and are reproductively capable over a longer period of time. Some micro-economic analysis of men's reproductive/sexual strategies might also be useful.

Two good points it makes are:

1) Before it was widely accepted that women's sex drives were as high as men's, studies of prostitution focussed on prostitution as social deviance. This treatment looks at them as economically rational actors.

2) The social status / social capital of male customers is much more diverse than the range of social status / capital of the female providers.

*** Don't let the math intimidate you ... the ideas are presented in plain, if a bit technical, English. Most of the math can be skipped.

PsyberZombie
11-23-06, 09:37
Two good points it makes are:

1) Before it was widely accepted that women's sex drives were as high as men's, studies of prostitution focussed on prostitution as social deviance. This treatment looks at them as economically rational actors.



If women's sex drives were as high as men's , there would be an equal number of male prostitutes walking the streets getting picked up by 'Janes'

If women's sex drives were as high as men's , there would be an equal number of strip clubs catering to women that featured male strippers [ The Chippendales don't even count = that's a novelty act where groups of women go to bond by acting like what they think men act like in strip clubs ]

..... there would be an equal number of AMPs where women went to get rubbed all over by male masssueses

..... there would be an equal number of brothels that offered male hookers for their female clientele

.... and there would be a food that permanently reduces a man's sex drive by 90% like there's one for women
[ that food is called Wedding Cake ]

StreetLooker
11-26-06, 04:04
Women don't need to pay for sex like men do. About any women even fat ugly ones (although they have less choice)can get a man to fuck them just by sitting on a barstool at a local bar or nightclub. Take any decent lookin women into a nightclub and she can pick about any guy in the place to have sex with. A hot chick can fuck any Man in the whole bar by simply asking them and inless that guys gay He going to say yes.

PsyberZombie
11-26-06, 08:46
Women don't need to pay for sex like men do. About any women even fat ugly ones (although they have less choice)can get a man to fuck them just by sitting on a barstool at a local bar or nightclub. Take any decent lookin women into a nightclub and she can pick about any guy in the place to have sex with. A hot chick can fuck any Man in the whole bar by simply asking them and inless that guys gay He going to say yes.

If women's sex drives are equal to men's , why can't any decent looking guy get laid by any chick in the bar ??

You just helped prove — not dis·prove — my point , S·L

James D 2004
11-27-06, 14:38
I almost commented on that garbage paper but chose to save my effort instead.

If you haven't read any academic paper, they are all about attracting money, or made the money spent look well spent. So with the minimum effort, they made it look much bigger than it is, and intimidate the readers and referees with math or something else, so nobody bothers to find all the faults and let it publish. It's a number one defense - making a interesting conclusion, and don't let anyone knows how you arrive at it.

I find that these articles made by "outsiders" are attracts readers that are also "outsiders", who are fascinated by prostitutions, never bold enough to try, or tried once or twice with no concept the whole picture.

The amateur authors did not collect and major new raw data, and if they do I doubt they get the useful ones. Their interpretation of existing data is very doubtful to me. That is, what they include into their calculation is very dubious.

Like the conclusion that prostitutes in wealthy western countries is relatively not well paid. Anybody who can collect a comprehensive salary scale of prostitutes all over the world is wishful thinking. Say in US, even if we do the research in USG, do we know how many are $40 streetwalkers, $100 sw, $120 AAMP, $140 MP, $160 AAMP, $250, $300, $700, and $1000 per hour? There's no way to have some reliable average or total.

Also, other than two females who doesn't know a thing about prostitution, anyone can tell you that you need well paying johns relative to the local population, and very often they come cross border. Very often the girls go abroad. I would say this is job most affected by globalization ever. Girls in poor countries are supported by large numbers of sex tourist. If the place isn't a popular sex destination, you need a fewer number of foreign johns to pop up the price. In wealthy countries, girls rely on local johns so the price can't be much higher than their johns.

Price in US is diluted by vast number of foreign workers. Some illegal, some freshly legal, some n th generation. But if you look the same and have the same pussy, you just can't charge a lot more than the others.

So actually it's not at all interesting and don't waste your time.

PsyberZombie
11-28-06, 17:02
STOP THE PRESSES !!

James D 2004 & I actually AGREE on something !!

That was the most erudite & insightful Post you've ever written , J·D·04


p.s. To those of you who think I'm just being sarcastic =

English is not J·D·04's native tongue ; he speaks & writes English a whole LOT better than I speak
Mandarin Chinese , so give him a break , willya ??

Stylish
02-02-19, 23:05
Feel free to move this to a more appropriate thread / forum. I tried to find one but couldn't.

I've often wondered about the pros and cons associated with repeating in this hobby. Personally, my best experiences are always the first meetings because the ladies are on their best behavior. It's usually downhill from there because once the ladies get to know you they start to take you for-granted and their attitude goes from bad to worse. Also, the novelty or surprise element is lost. Yet, I see many gentlemen talk of whether or not they will repeat with a lady (whereas I only think in terms of whether or not a lady is worth sharing with another gentleman, since I rarely care to repeat). Perhaps the benefit of repeating is to avoid the hunt (which takes energy and can go wrong). But without the hunt where is the fun?

I am interested in other perspectives. What do you think?

Von1995
09-26-20, 23:33
Feel free to move this to a more appropriate thread / forum. I tried to find one but couldn't.

I've often wondered about the pros and cons associated with repeating in this hobby. Personally, my best experiences are always the first meetings because the ladies are on their best behavior. It's usually downhill from there because once the ladies get to know you they start to take you for-granted and their attitude goes from bad to worse. Also, the novelty or surprise element is lost. Yet, I see many gentlemen talk of whether or not they will repeat with a lady (whereas I only think in terms of whether or not a lady is worth sharing with another gentleman, since I rarely care to repeat).

I am interested in other perspectives. What do you think?I've only had 3 that I've become serious regulars with and I couldn't agree more with what you said. From my experience, there's a decline in service after about 10-15 visits. That's when the game playing also starts. I don't deal with any of that anymore like I did when I first started just for the sake of having a good time. The economics of this industry isn't in our favor. There are way more of us than there are of them, especially if they're young, hot, and don't wear their habit on their sleeve. But girls who care about being good at this and developing and maintaining regulars will respond surprisingly well if you tell them when you're unhappy with their service.

DarkClouds
10-26-23, 11:51
The playing field has (had?) leveled a lot with the advent of Seeking. I've been following the "no repeats" rule for years now and have had plenty of action. Seeking might be going downhill though because I hear they might start requiring I'd verification, which I would never do (remember Ashley Madison? But likely another platform will come along to take it's place and my "no repeats" philosophy will continue to flourish.


I've only had 3 that I've become serious regulars with and I couldn't agree more with what you said. From my experience, there's a decline in service after about 10-15 visits. That's when the game playing also starts. I don't deal with any of that anymore like I did when I first started just for the sake of having a good time. The economics of this industry isn't in our favor. There are way more of us than there are of them, especially if they're young, hot, and don't wear their habit on their sleeve. But girls who care about being good at this and developing and maintaining regulars will respond surprisingly well if you tell them when you're unhappy with their service.

DarkClouds
10-26-23, 13:12
https://www.southwestjournal.com/countries-where-prostitution-is-legal/

DarkClouds
10-28-23, 14:13
https://fortune.com/2023/10/28/backpage-classified-ads-prostitution-sex-trafficking-trial-founder-michael-lacey/

DarkClouds
11-07-23, 13:08
https://stream.org/ohio-issue-1-can-create-a-constitutional-right-to-prostitution/

DarkClouds
11-17-23, 13:28
Not sure where to post this, but I'm looking for tips on how to post ads on CL. Every time I post something (with very neutral language in my mind) it gets deleted a few days later. And yet, I see ads like this one, still up 5 days later. This one is a ripoff artist BTW, so don't bother -- I am just sharing it as an example.

https://hartford.craigslist.org/hws/d/vernon-rockville-lets-play/7686801582.html

What are the unwritten rules?

Also, what alternatives are you aware of that work well? Reddit personals?

DarkClouds
02-28-24, 23:04
Why is it that we want girls. And girls want things (shopping). What don't they want us back?