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WarriorForLife
03-15-20, 16:30
Post your comments here. If you are sick, please stay home, thanks!
I should have done this. When this is over somebody please remind me to delete it.
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WarriorForLife
03-19-20, 12:39
Why are people still be allowed gathering at the beaches. Both here in Waikiki and in the mainland. Student on spring break and tourists occupying the beaches, is this what you call social gathering? CDC recomends it should be avoided.
NerdFriday
03-19-20, 13:14
I'm not worried about COVID until it becomes "unsafe" to go food shopping. Also, restaurants are not having supply issues, so empty retail store shelves are the result of panic buying.
When globalized restaurant chains cannot produce food, it means there may be a serious issue and disruption to supply chain or port operations, which is a big deal. This hasn't happened yet and there is no indication it will.
Post your comments here. If you are sick, please stay home, thanks!Too late when you feel sick; just stay home and only go out if absolutely needed (buying nekos and visiting pojis are not absolute needs; well, maybe!?). My mindset is that we going suffer a little before get back to normal so "suck it up and stay the course. " Eh, WFL, good one for dis new COVID 19 thread (hope no stay up too long; dey stay testing new, possible vaccines already).
This thread will be blowing up soon. Looking forward to this thread slowly dropping to the bottom. If you think you have something, stay home.
Party is over until June.
Think of all the money we will save. Stay safe fellas.
Closingsoon
03-19-20, 16:09
Why are people still be allowed gathering at the beaches. Both here in Waikiki and in the mainland. Student on spring break and tourists occupying the beaches, is this what you call social gathering? CDC recomends it should be avoided.These individuals probably need not care and will be a deadwarriorForlife.
Are the MPs still open during all this?
KlimtTheKiss
03-19-20, 20:45
Are the MPs still open during all this?Why should MPs close down while escorts are blatantly advertising and in business? Restaurants and Korean bars are following the rule to protect the community. What are escorts doing to contribute? Do clients' kupuna family deserve to die of lung failure because escorts are greedy?
WarriorForLife
03-19-20, 21:27
Hey buddy, no take risk. Stay safe!
Are the MPs still open during all this?
Looks like the airport is effectively closed to mainland or international travel. You're going to have a hell of a time getting back in if you leave.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/03/19/breaking-news/hawaii-airports-to-mandate-14-day-home-quarantine-for-residents-visitors/?utm_medium=
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These individuals probably need not care and will be a deadwarriorForlife.Unfortunately most snowflake generation is treating this shutdown as vacation. They think they are immune, immune to virus being fatal yes but not immune to falling sick & spreading it. And when you go to public gathering I see people still coughing their asses off, grow some decency in life and leave the area, cough your lungs out all you want and return if necessary. I wish this country had more strict control over its people.
I think the hysteria is stupid. 98% survival rate. If I were over 70, had immune deficiencies and out and about, I'd probably be concerned cause that who is at serious risk.
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/?fbclid=IwAR0b2BzvWboYOM9BHeJ-90d88kUfQPjXb_Y3HaoLSnUayxfD7JOKziUKrlc#https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/?fbclid=IwAR0b2BzvWboYOM9BHeJ-90d88kUfQPjXb_Y3HaoLSnUayxfD7JOKziUKrlc
I think the hysteria is stupid. 98% survival rate. If I were over 70, had immune deficiencies and out and about, I'd probably be concerned cause that who is at serious risk.
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/?fbclid=IwAR0b2BzvWboYOM9BHeJ-90d88kUfQPjXb_Y3HaoLSnUayxfD7JOKziUKrlc#https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/?fbclid=IwAR0b2BzvWboYOM9BHeJ-90d88kUfQPjXb_Y3HaoLSnUayxfD7JOKziUKrlcYou have no one in that demographic you care about? Many of us do. The threat is not the survival rate as a percentage it's about having it proliferate to the point where those at risk have that many more points of potential contact. They might not be out and about but basic necessities do come from the exterior of any bubble we could create. I tend to want to protect the vulnerable in ways that I can.
Get ready for "Da Hammah" to come down soon as a solution for the Hawaii COVID 19 quandary: mandatory shutdown for the state for at least two weeks (all residents sequestered in homes; an hour per day permitted outside to do essentials: exercise, life sustaining shopping, medical / dental emergencies, whatever the govt. deems to be important). "In an infectious disease situation, what is currently being done may be seen as doing too much; in actuality, it may be just enough or even not enough. " Everybody take care and be safe.
SandVolleyball
03-20-20, 14:06
It's Coronavirus (one word). Stay safe out there!
Get ready for "Da Hammah" to come down soon as a solution for the Hawaii COVID 19 quandary: mandatory shutdown for the state for at least two weeks (all residents sequestered in homes; an hour per day permitted outside to do essentials: exercise, life sustaining shopping, medical / dental emergencies, whatever the govt. deems to be important). "In an infectious disease situation, what is currently being done may be seen as doing too much; in actuality, it may be just enough or even not enough. " Everybody take care and be safe.The gov said he is "exploring options". That is just one that was mentioned. Don't get excited.
Anyway, there are only 16 cases in Honolulu and ALL of them got the virus elsewhere.
The gov said he is "exploring options". That is just one that was mentioned. Don't get excited.
Anyway, there are only 16 cases in Honolulu and ALL of them got the virus elsewhere.So far no community spread of the virus in Hawaii. I wonder why?
The gov said he is "exploring options". That is just one that was mentioned. Don't get excited.
Anyway, there are only 16 cases in Honolulu and ALL of them got the virus elsewhere.And just 1 hospitalized, I think the 90 year old man who traveled to Washington state. He must be doing okay since no news of him lately. I tend to believe the ones that have the virus their symptoms are not that serious, maybe a fever for a couple of days then recovery.
WarriorForLife
03-20-20, 16:03
US starts to release prisoners due to COVID 19.
This can't be right, now we have to deal with criminals walking free on the street too.
WarriorForLife
03-20-20, 16:06
Lockdown the state is the only effective way to slow down the virus. Kids are out of school, they are every where out in the public.
Get ready for "Da Hammah" to come down soon as a solution for the Hawaii COVID 19 quandary: mandatory shutdown for the state for at least two weeks (all residents sequestered in homes; an hour per day permitted outside to do essentials: exercise, life sustaining shopping, medical / dental emergencies, whatever the govt. deems to be important). "In an infectious disease situation, what is currently being done may be seen as doing too much; in actuality, it may be just enough or even not enough. " Everybody take care and be safe.
So far no community spread of the virus in Hawaii. I wonder why?Because there's very limited testing. Most possible cases were told to self monitor with no test or follow up. Dumb fuck Ige was going let all the cruise ships dock until his office was flooded with angry calls. We have to protect ourselves by staying at home.
So far no community spread of the virus in Hawaii. I wonder why?Here's a quote:
All of our cases as far as we know have a travel history or are individuals who have been exposed to someone who has been traveling," said Department of Health Director Bruce Anderson. "That's significant. We believe at this time there's no evidence of extensive community transmission in the state of Hawaii. ".
They say shut down bars / restaurants for 2 weeks, but I think it's going to take at least til end Apr / early May before things are fully back to normal. Stop the spread. No be selfish and stay home.
37 cases as of right now.
Stinkfinga
03-21-20, 03:19
Was curious to see what would be open in town. Left my house around 6,no traffic; got to town in about 12 minutes. Parked on Makaloa and walked around. Passed by Happiness, light above entrance on; so assumed open. Next passed by Blue star, open sign on and back entrance door open. Man, the temptation to go in was overwhelming! I dunno how but summoned all my strength and moved on. Walked down Keeaumoku and the surrounding areas. Vegas star, Secret, Splash, Camelot, Ashleys and Mistys all closed. Was goin drive by Sundance, but figured if all the other bars closed; they would be too. So just grabbed so groceries from DQ and Walmart and called it a night. So depressing! Hope this shit ends soon! Stay safe everyone!
News said got one case today community spread. Our numbers are very low and inaccurate as testing is very limited, thus we don't know what we don't know. I had a co-worker who just came back from travel (NY) and he had some symptoms. He contacted his doctor, filled out the questionnaire and was told he wasn't a candidate for the testing and to "self quarantine and let them know if he gets worse. ".
Bottom line in my honest opinion, is that we haven't seen anything yet and we need to brace ourselves for the long haul. Stay safe out there my monger brothas!
So far no community spread of the virus in Hawaii. I wonder why?
Was curious to see what would be open in town. Left my house around 6,no traffic; got to town in about 12 minutes. Parked on Makaloa and walked around. Passed by Happiness, light above entrance on; so assumed open. Next passed by Blue star, open sign on and back entrance door open. Man, the temptation to go in was overwhelming! I dunno how but summoned all my strength and moved on. Walked down Keeaumoku and the surrounding areas. Vegas star, Secret, Splash, Camelot, Ashleys and Mistys all closed. Was goin drive by Sundance, but figured if all the other bars closed; they would be too. So just grabbed so groceries from DQ and Walmart and called it a night. So depressing! Hope this shit ends soon! Stay safe everyone!I have suddenly lost all interest in going to bars, AMPs, and seeing escorts. By next week we'll be looking at double digit unemployment, loss of wealth like not seen in this century, and a long road to economic recovery. The disease will eventually flame out, but the impact to our economy will be incredibly depressing. I have to be smarter about how I spend my money. I'll be living vicariously through the posts written here for a while. Stay healthy. It's going to be a rough one.
Two of my go to girls said they're self quarantined since they recently went to China. I appreciated their effort.
Still wouldn't risk no getting now days. Not worried about me but would die of guilt if I had my parents get sick because of my decisions. I can wait a couple of months.
Right now there is people walking around not knowing they have the Virus and in the process passing it to someone else. At this point whoever went on a airplane should self quarantine no matter how good you feel. I believe this shutdown of bars is going to last longer than 2 weeks.
Well...It seems that much has been done in an attempt to slow down the spread of COVID-19 here on Oahu: work from home, people staying home out of fear, closing of all bars, night clubs, restaurants (except for take-out), schools, parks, concerts, public events, etc. All good initiatives with good intentions, but not aggressive enough, IMO. Taking it a step further, I think the quickest and most effective way to stop the spread of COVID-19 on Oahu would be for the governor to ban--not meekly ask or suggest--tourists from landing here, until this is over. This could be done effectively in a diplomatic, respectful and receptive way in lieu of constantly parading a caravan of protesting pickup trucks thru Waikiki (SMH). After all, as it is now, what is there for tourists to do here anyway with everything closed (except for going to the few AMPs and MPs :) ). Also, residents returning to Oahu--particularly those returning from areas with high COVID-19 rates--should be strictly quarantined. Otherwise, I sense this virus is going to spread and get out of hand here very quickly. Lockdown might be next. Just my 2 cents.
DreamGirls100
03-21-20, 08:37
Well...It seems that much has been done in an attempt to slow down the spread of COVID-19 here on Oahu: work from home, people staying home out of fear, closing of all bars, night clubs, restaurants (except for take-out), schools, parks, concerts, public events, etc. All good initiatives with good intentions, but not aggressive enough, IMO. Taking it a step further, I think the quickest and most effective way to stop the spread of COVID-19 on Oahu would be for the governor to ban--not meekly ask or suggest--tourists from landing here, until this is over. This could be done effectively in a diplomatic, respectful and receptive way in lieu of constantly parading a caravan of protesting pickup trucks thru Waikiki (SMH). After all, as it is now, what is there for tourists to do here anyway with everything closed (except for going to the few AMPs and MPs :) ). Also, residents returning to Oahu--particularly those returning from areas with high COVID-19 rates--should be strictly quarantined. Otherwise, I sense this virus is going to spread and get out of hand here very quickly. Lockdown might be next. Just my 2 cents.Some people wrote the only places with open sign lit tonight was massage parlor and the only places that allowed bunch of japanese tourists group lead by cap drivers was keeaumoku brothel (we guess where it us).
This is stupid. In the long term, their choice of welcoming anyone and aggressive sales will kill our hobby.
If things go worse, ige and government need something to kick their buckets to.
Outside this site, who will defend AMP's sales to japanese / foreign tourists physically when local juicd stores have to close and many must only wait till they almost get lost though they have cough a lot.
One girl from dallas complained. There were still open AMP wirg a lot of hispanic customers. She said government may be happy cause later they can announce korean / Chinese old immigrants ****** and mexicans did contribute a lot to texas again.
JasAnacond1984
03-21-20, 11:09
I have suddenly lost all interest in going to bars, AMPs, and seeing escorts. By next week we'll be looking at double digit unemployment, loss of wealth like not seen in this century, and a long road to economic recovery. The disease will eventually flame out, but the impact to our economy will be incredibly depressing. I have to be smarter about how I spend my money. I'll be living vicariously through the posts written here for a while. Stay healthy. It's going to be a rough one.This is the first time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw that.
WarriorForLife
03-21-20, 11:57
Some people have this virus show no sign of symptoms, and they still could have pass on the virus to another person without knowing it. Scary!
PointDexterJr
03-21-20, 12:48
You have no one in that demographic you care about? Many of us do. The threat is not the survival rate as a percentage it's about having it proliferate to the point where those at risk have that many more points of potential contact. They might not be out and about but basic necessities do come from the exterior of any bubble we could create. I tend to want to protect the vulnerable in ways that I can.The real issue with the proliferation and rapid spread of this very contagious virus is the strain and impact it puts on our healthcare system. How many empty beds, ICU units, Respirators that are available for the vulnerable patients that need it. Think of this small island, the limited numbers of ICU beds, respirators, in contrast with the number of elderly people that are particularly vulnerable to potentially die given the strain this virus puts on the body, in particular the respiratory system of the elderly body.
The potential human toll this presents is truly a moral dilemma, hence the lock down.
Idusixtyning
03-21-20, 15:12
Some people have this virus show no sign of symptoms, and they still could have pass on the virus to another person without knowing it. Scary!Nature's way of population control. Imagine if it was something like the Ebola virus instead of COVID-19 that could be stealthily spread. Ebola has an average mortality rate of 50%.
You have no one in that demographic you care about? Many of us do. The threat is not the survival rate as a percentage it's about having it proliferate to the point where those at risk have that many more points of potential contact. They might not be out and about but basic necessities do come from the exterior of any bubble we could create. I tend to want to protect the vulnerable in ways that I can.Of course I have family in this age group. I Still believe the same. H1 N1 had over 60.8 million infected within the US in 1 year span. We are at 3 months, now for this strain and at 15 k infections. Yes, that number will rise because more people are being tested. My point is this hysteria of closing business is stupid. Some people want our economy to tank. Those are the ones hyping this up. Social distancing? No problem. Wash hands and be mindful of your environment, no problem. Closing a business, absolutely stupid.
https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894
Of course I have family in this age group. I Still believe the same. H1 N1 had over 60.8 million infected within the US in 1 year span. We are at 3 months, now for this strain and at 15 k infections. Yes, that number will rise because more people are being tested. My point is this hysteria of closing business is stupid. Some people want our economy to tank. Those are the ones hyping this up. Social distancing? No problem. Wash hands and be mindful of your environment, no problem. Closing a business, absolutely stupid.What kind of business are you talking about that there closing is stupid? The bottom line is they don't want people so close to each other 6 ft and restaurants, bars gathering places people are too close. That Utah jazz player Gobert thought it was stupid too and was making jokes about it touching all the reporters stuff and also joking with his teammates and look what happened to him and teammates Donavan Michell. Also say if the Gov or even Trump don't close places down or don't do anything they will take alot of heat plus let's be honest you think by keeping everything open people have the same about of chances of catching and passing on the Virus than places that are closed?
Article author Aaron Ginn - "Aaron Ginn is a Silicon Valley technologist who has worked in Republican party politics in Silicon Valley. Ginn has contributed writing to Breitbart, TechCrunch, TheNextWeb, and Townhall on various subjects. ".
In fact some of his statements are very much inaccurate based on recently validated evidence by medical professionals and scientists. If folks could just go two weeks utilizing proven Safety protocols and / or self quarantine, we could be on the road to recovery. However, some people are whining like little babies that they cannot go two weeks without seeing friends, going to the gym / bars / restaurants / starbucks, going to the park / beach, or the malls, we could nip this in the butt as one collective Ohana.
Also, once we are declared safe in Hawaii, we need to screen people who travel in and out of the state for a while too, or the cycle starts all over again (unless a vaccine is found). I am trying to do my part by not hoarding anything, staying home as much as possible, ordering take out to help out local businesses, and avoiding providers until this get better.
Just my 2 cents. Stay safe all! HT.
https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894
WarriorForLife
03-21-20, 22:04
The virus is not slowdown. The Hawaii medical professional urge the governor to issue an immediate lock down or predicted might have 3000 cases of Coronavirus by the end of this month.
Given the governor has effectively closed all state airports, you should assume any of the visiting escorts advertising on Eros, tryst, or private delights aren't going to be able to come. If they are quarantined in their hotel rooms, I don't think they can see visitors. Probably you'll have a murderous time getting past hotel security if you're visiting a hotel guest.
Try to get your deposit back. You won't be able to see her.
I called my favorite and told her that I won't be seeing her till the corona dies down. That would be best. However, she indicated that she is dealing with the tourist. Oh shit. I'm keeping away until this all dies down. I would rather bang the stewardess that get laid off from the airlines.
ClaraForever
03-22-20, 00:14
I called my favorite and told her that I won't be seeing her till the corona dies down. That would be best. However, she indicated that she is dealing with the tourist. Oh shit. I'm keeping away until this all dies down. I would rather bang the stewardess that get laid off from the airlines.Will not mention their names to protect them.
They confessed they had and have to deal with young haole who could not find fuck partner in waikiki. Young dudes who want to save money for clubbing. Not funny now.
Foreign tourists most from japan.
Caps still bring japanese tourists to AMP.
AMP can not ventilate air, we know air conditioner system actually deteriorate ventilation unlike many think. I suspect they would change the whole bedding set after one guy.
I really appreciate her honesty and warning that I had better stay away.
I may take risk of calling them to my house. Something happens, it is easier for me to explain who I met where I was.
ClaraForever
03-22-20, 00:32
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You're too stupid to post.
Pensions are not welfare. Idiots like you are making this shit worse.
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There is still results still pending. And with today's drive by testing in Kakaako, hundreds / thousands are in process of test results and with results coming in days from now may spike numbers on who has Covid-19. Hoping tests come back negative. Hono1.
WarriorForLife
03-22-20, 05:46
405 people got tested out of 2225 people. Wonder how many people really needed the test got turned away?
There is still results still pending. And with today's drive by testing in Kakaako, hundreds / thousands are in process of test results and with results coming in days from now may spike numbers on who has Covid-19. Hoping tests come back negative. Hono1.
The Hammah (mandatory, trending lockdown-in-place for at least two weeks) is unwanted but inevitable, given the current data and outlook. A piecemeal approach to halt the virus will only prolong the misery; county shutdown / lockdown with emergency provisions and protocols needed immediately. Look for more temporary military and law enforcement presence in the near future to curtail desperation, panic, and crime. Of course, we all in a lot of shit that needs to be addressed expeditiously, and all IMO.
We need that FDA vaccine ASAP.
Not calling any particular person out but doesn't anybody else think how over exaggerated the situation has become? The COVID19 is really just a strand of the flu. Thousands of people die every year from the flu, but many more recover from it. For the most part there is no cure for any strand of the flu, our bodies just have to battle it. Sure there's medications that can help suppress and speed up the recovery, but in the end it's still ones body that gets over it. I laugh how people are trying to be all Adrian Monk now, but what happens when the cases die down? The virus is still going to be out there for all of us to catch. It'll also be funny if in the end the resolution is just a flu shot where basically we'll just be shooting a dose of the corona into ourselves. Basically all I'm saying is this ain't a plague. Nobody is going to deteriorate or turn into zombies. Got to wonder how much of a panic is caused because of the Internet. Years ago before social media, would anybody have cared? Any one of us right now could be tested positive for any strand of flu. But that don't mean we'll suffer from the symptoms like others. Ever wonder we only getting high numbers because people are going out of their way to test for it. And they only giving us in addition the death numbers. They're not giving us the recovery numbers, which a lot has also happened already. All in all just practice good hygiene at all times. Not overkill and then go back to whatever bad habits later. As far as our hobby goes, we all know the risks. Just have to make standards for yourself in every way and determine whether those providers and businesses meet them. Stay safe.
Patronizer
03-22-20, 11:35
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Don't spam the forum with repetitive posts.
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Bill Gates gave a presentation on the threat a viral epidemic would cause the global community and what the world needs to do to prepare for this threat in March 2015. He recommended scenario planning, vaccine research, and health worker training. He emphasized, we need to get going.
https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI
Spoiler Alert: We didn't listen.
PointDexterJr
03-22-20, 14:23
Article author Aaron Ginn - "Aaron Ginn is a Silicon Valley technologist who has worked in Republican party politics in Silicon Valley. Ginn has contributed writing to Breitbart, TechCrunch, TheNextWeb, and Townhall on various subjects. ".
In fact some of his statements are very much inaccurate based on recently validated evidence by medical professionals and scientists. If folks could just go two weeks utilizing proven Safety protocols and / or self quarantine, we could be on the road to recovery. However, some people are whining like little babies that they cannot go two weeks without seeing friends, going to the gym / bars / restaurants / starbucks, going to the park / beach, or the malls, we could nip this in the butt as one collective Ohana.
Also, once we are declared safe in Hawaii, we need to screen people who travel in and out of the state for a while too, or the cycle starts all over again (unless a vaccine is found). I am trying to do my part by not hoarding anything, staying home as much as possible, ordering take out to help out local businesses, and avoiding providers until this get better.
Just my 2 cents. Stay safe all! HT.Tried to read this article -.
I guess it had some BS in it that violated the website rulers -.
Fake news?
What kind of business are you talking about that there closing is stupid? The bottom line is they don't want people so close to each other 6 ft and restaurants, bars gathering places people are too close. That Utah jazz player Gobert thought it was stupid too and was making jokes about it touching all the reporters stuff and also joking with his teammates and look what happened to him and teammates Donavan Michell. Also say if the Gov or even Trump don't close places down or don't do anything they will take alot of heat plus let's be honest you think by keeping everything open people have the same about of chances of catching and passing on the Virus than places that are closed?I'm saying it should not be a government mandated shut down. Some, places like bars or close confinement, ok, maybe. Beaches? WTF how close you get to others at the park? Sorry I think It's stupid.
Tried to read this article -.
I guess it had some BS in it that violated the website rulers -.
Fake news?You don't need to be a mathematician to do math. There are health care providers, virolgists, etc who also note the same thing. Hysteria. Being logical and making precautions are awsome, but if you don't detect exaggerated hysteria, perhaps you're not going to. 😏.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-virologist-urges-world-leaders-to-calm-public-slams-unnecessary-panic/?fbclid=IwAR34wPAyTKmHfgImGBskavpEK4t-vK4R1caEsUSfrjIYX_4cqWHmNlCZMvc
You don't need to be a mathematician to do math. There are health care providers, virolgists, etc who also note the same thing. Hysteria. Being logical and making precautions are awsome, but if you don't detect exaggerated hysteria, perhaps you're not going to. 😏.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-virologist-urges-world-leaders-to-calm-public-slams-unnecessary-panic/?fbclid=IwAR34wPAyTKmHfgImGBskavpEK4t-vK4R1caEsUSfrjIYX_4cqWHmNlCZMvcI'm curious as to what you think is an appropriate response?
PointDexterJr
03-22-20, 17:44
You don't need to be a mathematician to do math. There are health care providers, virolgists, etc who also note the same thing. Hysteria. Being logical and making precautions are awsome, but if you don't detect exaggerated hysteria, perhaps you're not going to. 😏.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-virologist-urges-world-leaders-to-calm-public-slams-unnecessary-panic/?fbclid=IwAR34wPAyTKmHfgImGBskavpEK4t-vK4R1caEsUSfrjIYX_4cqWHmNlCZMvcOf course there is people who are claiming armageddon. Worst case scenarios et al. Hysteria in some eyes.
On the other hand, look at Italy. Look at the growth and death rate graphs. Maybe not a worst case scenario, but the poor Italians who are suffering thru this probably thought this was hysteria.
The healthcare providers probably are wishing the Italian population listened to the hysteria. As they are living the nightmare of the hysteria or the overrun of the healthcare resources (ICU, Ventilators, PPE).
I saw somewhere that it took weeks to get to 100000 (largely China) it too 10 days to get to 200000, and 2 days to get to 300000.
Maybe there is a lot of hysteria, but there is a lot of potential for a lot of human suffering and unnecessary deaths. Or maybe enough folks subscribe to Darwinism? LOL!
My sister says people are lined up at the gun shops in Ohio.
Incogfilipino
03-22-20, 19:25
Not calling any particular person out but doesn't anybody else think how over exaggerated the situation has become? The COVID19 is really just a strand of the flu. Thousands of people die every year from the flu, but many more recover from it. For the most part there is no cure for any strand of the flu, our bodies just have to battle it. Sure there's medications that can help suppress and speed up the recovery, but in the end it's still ones body that gets over it. I laugh how people are trying to be all Adrian Monk now, but what happens when the cases die down? The virus is still going to be out there for all of us to catch. It'll also be funny if in the end the resolution is just a flu shot where basically we'll just be shooting a dose of the corona into ourselves. Basically all I'm saying is this ain't a plague. Nobody is going to deteriorate or turn into zombies. Got to wonder how much of a panic is caused because of the Internet. Years ago before social media, would anybody have cared? Any one of us right now could be tested positive for any strand of flu. But that don't mean we'll suffer from the symptoms like others. Ever wonder we only getting high numbers because people are going out of their way to test for it. And they only giving us in addition the death numbers. They're not giving us the recovery numbers, which a lot has also happened already. All in all just practice good hygiene at all times. Not overkill and then go back to whatever bad habits later. As far as our hobby goes, we all know the risks. Just have to make standards for yourself in every way and determine whether those providers and businesses meet them. Stay safe.Recovery numbers are actually available, WHO and CDC provide daily updates. You can also see a rolling tally here:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ bda7594740 fd40299423467 b48 e9 ecf6.
As far as recovery goes, only 178 recovered out of 33073 confirmed cases in the US. It takes a few weeks before they can label someone as recovered, though.
Da Hammah is finally here in mild form effective March 23,1630 hrs. ; see the order get more restrictive as COVID 19 positive test results increase. Essential businesses and services are outlined by the city as well as consequences for blatantly ignoring said order. Good luck, take care, keep informed, be understanding of this situation (no do anything stupid).
FleshPrince
03-22-20, 21:41
I'm saying it should not be a government mandated shut down. Some, places like bars or close confinement, ok, maybe. Beaches? WTF how close you get to others at the park? Sorry I think It's stupid.I think this is one of those damned if you do and damned if you don't scenarios. If govt leaders did nothing and the virus became an out of control event as in Italy for example, everyone would immediately hang the leaders for not taking action sooner or aggressively enuf. But if the leaders take aggressive action to prevent a massive outbreak, they are seen as alarmist and overreacting. The thing is, if aggressive actions to prevent a massive outbreak are taken and such an outbreak never manifests, all the naysayers will say "see I told you there was nothing to worry about". But it would be potentially impossible to know if the feared outbreak would not have happened if those same measures had not been taken.
One has to consider two things when determining whether the covid is no worse than the flu. One is that the covid is severely contagious, much moreso than the flu. And two, it is many more times lethal to the elderly and compromised individuals. So it becomes a question of morality vs economics. Is the economic loss worth saving the lives of those at risk? But one could also argue that if stiff measures were not taken to stave off a massive outbreak, the economic loss in the long run would be much greater than the short-term pain incurred by those measures.
BTW, personally I would be one of the first to head to the parks and beaches if they were not shut down as an alternative to partying at restaurants and bars. I would bet I'm not the only one. So that would be a viable reason why those are shut down as well. Can you imagine the parties going on at a beach park and hpd trying to monitor those if they remained open?
HornyinHawaii
03-22-20, 21:42
Recovery numbers are actually available, WHO and CDC provide daily updates. You can also see a rolling tally here:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ bda7594740 fd40299423467 b48 e9 ecf6.
As far as recovery goes, only 178 recovered out of 33073 confirmed cases in the US. It takes a few weeks before they can label someone as recovered, though.While the new coronavirus ravages much of China and world leaders rush to close their borders to protect citizens from the outbreak, the flu has quietly killed 10,000 in the USA So far this influenza season.
At least 19 million people have come down with the flu in the USA With 180,000 ending up in the hospital, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The flu season, which started in September and can run until May, is currently at its peak and poses a greater health threat to the USA Than the new coronavirus, physicians say. The new virus, which first emerged in Wuhan, China, on Dec. 31, has sickened roughly 17,400 and killed 362 people mostly in that country as of Monday morning.
As of February 2020.
Aloha Mongers,
Watch out for burglars and thieves during these trying times. There's been a sudden increase of property theft in the past week in the Makiki / Punchbowl area. They're breaking in to cars and taking whatever they can get their grubby hands on. Take the usual precautions like not leaving anything of value in your car. Neighbor's car got broken into (broke the rear glass window) and they stole shoes that were in plain view as well as work tools. Bitches!
Da Hammah is finally here in mild form effective March 23,1630 hrs. ; see the order get more restrictive as COVID 19 positive test results increase. Essential businesses and services are outlined by the city as well as consequences for blatantly ignoring said order. Good luck, take care, keep informed, be understanding of this situation (no do anything stupid).This is NUTS!! So barber shops closed too? What about bus service?
This is NUTS!! So barber shops closed too? What about bus service?https://docs.google.com/document/d/180_Z6jS1sNVUpi-OlvrKRkxkJFYuwm-L-9ptHdpod_M/mobilebasic
I'm curious as to what you think is an appropriate response?The awareness is so pervasive at this point, the policy of distancing and perhaps closing venues like concerts or large events where everyone is sucking everyone else's breath should be cancelled. But Closing a beach? . How close do you come to your fellow beach goer? I think anything outside should be allowed. I can agree with closing bars too, we get a little too close there. Before they closed dine in, I saw some smart actions from some places seperated tables and made a larger area by removing tables.
I think this is one of those damned if you do and damned if you don't scenarios. If govt leaders did nothing and the virus became an out of control event as in Italy for example, everyone would immediately hang the leaders for not taking action sooner or aggressively enuf. But if the leaders take aggressive action to prevent a massive outbreak, they are seen as alarmist and overreacting. The thing is, if aggressive actions to prevent a massive outbreak are taken and such an outbreak never manifests, all the naysayers will say "see I told you there was nothing to worry about". But it would be potentially impossible to know if the feared outbreak would not have happened if those same measures had not been taken.
One has to consider two things when determining whether the covid is no worse than the flu. One is that the covid is severely contagious, much moreso than the flu. And two, it is many more times lethal to the elderly and compromised individuals. So it becomes a question of morality vs economics. Is the economic loss worth saving the lives of those at risk? But one could also argue that if stiff measures were not taken to stave off a massive outbreak, the economic loss in the long run would be much greater than the short-term pain incurred by those measures.
BTW, personally I would be one of the first to head to the parks and beaches if they were not shut down as an alternative to partying at restaurants and bars. I would bet I'm not the only one. So that would be a viable reason why those are shut down as well. Can you imagine the parties going on at a beach park and hpd trying to monitor those if they remained open?My son is a health care worker in San Diego, they're going through the same stuff. He also knows that there's too much hysteria. This is exactly the flu that attacks the respiratory system hence affecting the elderly and immune deficient most. You know what they do when you're infected? They say go home and stay home and do what you do when you have the flu until symptoms are gone, which lasts about as long as the flu.
TheSpius19
03-23-20, 03:22
My son is a health care worker in San Diego, they're going through the same stuff. He also knows that there's too much hysteria. This is exactly the flu that attacks the respiratory system hence affecting the elderly and immune deficient most. You know what they do when you're infected? They say go home and stay home and do what you do when you have the flu until symptoms are gone, which lasts about as long as the flu."It's just the flu". That causes people to completely lose their sense of smell and taste?
"It's just the flu". That looks like it's getting better, then attacks the heart causing a heart attack within 24 hours?
"It's just the flu". That has caused temporary blindness in a small percentage of people?
"It's just the flu". That's apparently also attacking nerve centers in people's brains?
"It's just the flu". That's killing 10 times the percentage of people who catch. The flu?
"It's just the flu". That's 2. 5 times more contagious than the flu?
"It's just the flu". That's maxing out our hospital beds already in NYC and forcing them to build emergency isolation triage hospitals?
"It's just the flu". That's got a death rate around 8% in Italy?
"It's just the flu". That's killing some perfectly healthy people with no pre-existing conditions in their 20's, 30's and 40's?
It's NOT just the flu.
Stop it.
"It's just the flu". That causes people to completely lose their sense of smell and taste?
"It's just the flu". That looks like it's getting better, then attacks the heart causing a heart attack within 24 hours?
"It's just the flu". That has caused temporary blindness in a small percentage of people?
"It's just the flu". That's apparently also attacking nerve centers in people's brains?
"It's just the flu". That's killing 10 times the percentage of people who catch. The flu?
"It's just the flu". That's 2. 5 times more contagious than the flu?
"It's just the flu". That's maxing out our hospital beds already in NYC and forcing them to build emergency isolation triage hospitals?
"It's just the flu". That's got a death rate around 8% in Italy?
"It's just the flu". That's killing some perfectly healthy people with no pre-existing conditions in their 20's, 30's and 40's?
It's NOT just the flu.
Stop it.Please confirm. Is this a Plague? That's killing some perfectly healthy people in their 20's.
Member #6232
03-23-20, 04:37
Bruddahs,
Here is the latest Stay at Home and Work from Home order from the Mayor Caldwell for all of Oahu residents and businesses:
http://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/may/may_docs/Emergency%20Order%20No.%202020-02.pdf
Not sure if Massage Therapy services are considered "Essential" Healthcare Operations but probably needs clarification. Be safe and remain vigilant bruddah's!
O.
Recovery numbers are actually available, WHO and CDC provide daily updates. You can also see a rolling tally here:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ bda7594740 fd40299423467 b48 e9 ecf6.
As far as recovery goes, only 178 recovered out of 33073 confirmed cases in the US. It takes a few weeks before they can label someone as recovered, though.The URL you gave didn't direct me to anything of significance. Apparently you need a login or something. But that's not what's really important. What's important is the mainstream media isn't really reporting these facts. One would have to go out of their way and search, not fully knowing how viable that study is. Like URL you gave me is a perfect example. I can't even just click on in it and see stats. We are just getting reports making things sound like Armageddon is happening. Well imo everything is actually being driven by social media which is worse than the tabloids. Nobody really reads or watches news anymore. They just go by what he or she said. Because our country is a democracy, when there is enough outcry of course our leaders are going to respond in some way whether the situation is ridiculous or not.
"It's just the flu". That causes people to completely lose their sense of smell and taste?
"It's just the flu". That looks like it's getting better, then attacks the heart causing a heart attack within 24 hours?
"It's just the flu". That has caused temporary blindness in a small percentage of people?
"It's just the flu". That's apparently also attacking nerve centers in people's brains?
"It's just the flu". That's killing 10 times the percentage of people who catch. The flu?
"It's just the flu". That's 2. 5 times more contagious than the flu?
"It's just the flu". That's maxing out our hospital beds already in NYC and forcing them to build emergency isolation triage hospitals?
"It's just the flu". That's got a death rate around 8% in Italy?
"It's just the flu". That's killing some perfectly healthy people with no pre-existing conditions in their 20's, 30's and 40's?
It's NOT just the flu.
Stop it.All I can say is who actually knows the difference between the flu and the common cold?
All I can say is who actually knows the difference between the flu and the common cold?I'm no doctor but I believe the most common cause of the common cold is rhinovirus, also other viral infections. The flu is caused by one of 3 influenza viruses. Again, not my expertise, my knowledge is in urinal tract infections and so on, LOL jk jk.
This is NUTS!! So barber shops closed too? What about bus service?It is. But, the virus is projected to infect 40 K+ in approximately two months, given current data for Hawaii. See the city designated "Essential Businesses" for your questions regarding goods, services, and allowable venues under the order (basically, if you no can stay at least six (6) feet away from less than (10) ten people, then you in violation of the order). I really not one data kind guy but that's all we got right now for information about dis pandemic. Everybody take care and no mess around with this virus; it's not like the flu.
The URL you gave didn't direct me to anything of significance. Apparently you need a login or something. But that's not what's really important. What's important is the mainstream media isn't really reporting these facts. One would have to go out of their way and search, not fully knowing how viable that study is. Like URL you gave me is a perfect example. I can't even just click on in it and see stats. We are just getting reports making things sound like Armageddon is happening. Well imo everything is actually being driven by social media which is worse than the tabloids. Nobody really reads or watches news anymore. They just go by what he or she said. Because our country is a democracy, when there is enough outcry of course our leaders are going to respond in some way whether the situation is ridiculous or not.I agree that the proliferation of false information on social media is a giant problem. The government wants to keep the population passive and compliant even in the best of times. This current administration is worse with the falsehoods, misplaced bravado, and incompetence. I don't trust what the top is telling us also. Just look at the last 2 weeks. We went from hoax to it's just the flu to I always new it was a pandemic before anyone else. 2. Fucking weeks.
People need to use vetted sources like the CDC or the NIH. If you are looking for more cutting edge information most peer reviewed studies can be difficult to comprehend but almost all of them have conclusions which simplify information in the the data set. Johns Hopkins also has a resource page and if you know where to find them medical journals.
Use valid sources of information. Don't trust pandemic virus information vomited onto the internet by Becky the stay at home mom from Louisiana. For that matter don't trust information on a pandemic virus from a monger in Hawaii also. Do your own research.
All I can say is who actually knows the difference between the flu and the common cold?The severity and impact on public from COVID19 is a fact. Just look at Italy, Spain, and France and what they are experiencing to get a picture of it's impact on hospitals, death rates, and the vulnerability of the weakest population groups of Hawaii.
What is much more concerning to me will be the condition of our state's economy once this is all over. Do you think visitor counts will return? Will all the hotels in Waikiki get back to 50% capacity? Will HAL survive this without having to make drastic cuts (much less other airlines that connect us with the rest of the world)? Will the State and Counties have any kind of tax base to sustain the services they provide? Will banks be able to sustain all of the home mortgages that suddenly go into default as the newly unemployed are no longer able to pay? Will we have jobs in six months as our economy sustains a month or more of zero activity and Wall Street hits record lows? I'm guessing no to a lot of those questions.
I'm not sure if any of us were alive during the 1930's. If you were, then hats off to you that you're still mongering. We are all about to experience what life was like for our grandparents and great-grandparents during the Great Depression. Hint, it's probably not going to be fun for most of us. Unlike our last recession, there isn't going to be a place where we can escape to that is better off. Hold to your wallets. It's going to be a rough one.
CharliPortwood
03-23-20, 12:36
It is. But, the virus is projected to infect 40 K+ in approximately two months, given current data for Hawaii. See the city designated "Essential Businesses" for your questions regarding goods, services, and allowable venues under the order (basically, if you no can stay at least six (6) feet away from less than (10) ten people, then you in violation of the order). I really not one data kind guy but that's all we got right now for information about dis pandemic. Everybody take care and no mess around with this virus; it's not like the flu.It says are your best partner.
https://www.insider.com/new-york-city-coronavirus-safe-sex-guide-rimming-masturbation-2020-3?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=sf-insider-fitness
"It's just the flu". That causes people to completely lose their sense of smell and taste?
"It's just the flu". That looks like it's getting better, then attacks the heart causing a heart attack within 24 hours?
"It's just the flu". That has caused temporary blindness in a small percentage of people?
"It's just the flu". That's apparently also attacking nerve centers in people's brains?
"It's just the flu". That's killing 10 times the percentage of people who catch. The flu?
"It's just the flu". That's 2. 5 times more contagious than the flu?
"It's just the flu". That's maxing out our hospital beds already in NYC and forcing them to build emergency isolation triage hospitals?
"It's just the flu". That's got a death rate around 8% in Italy?
"It's just the flu". That's killing some perfectly healthy people with no pre-existing conditions in their 20's, 30's and 40's?
It's NOT just the flu.
Stop it.Bunch of hype right there. Unfortunately, we'll have to see after a year to actually see the factual results compared to H1 N1. About 18000 deaths from H1 N1 in a year, we are at a whole 400 in the USA so far. I will bet you remain at zero deaths in Hawaii. ZERO. (now watch it be 2 or 3🙄 You're watching too many zombie movies. Having the flu will fuck people up too especially if they have pre-existing problems.
DamienThorn
03-23-20, 17:21
Bunch of hype right there. Unfortunately, we'll have to see after a year to actually see the factual results compared to H1 N1. About 18000 deaths from H1 N1 in a year, we are at a whole 400 in the USA so far. I will bet you remain at zero deaths in Hawaii. ZERO. (now watch it be 2 or 3🙄 You're watching too many zombie movies. Having the flu will fuck people up too especially if they have pre-existing problems.I totally agree. People fucking panicking. Fuckers got to relax and gain some perspective. People don't remember H1 N1 because the media wasn't reporting on it the way they are reporting it today. Back then the White House did not declare an emergency until at least 1,000 people had already died in the US. #'s not even close.
PowerTrip2
03-23-20, 18:45
Bunch of hype right there. Unfortunately, we'll have to see after a year to actually see the factual results compared to H1 N1. About 18000 deaths from H1 N1 in a year, we are at a whole 400 in the USA so far. I will bet you remain at zero deaths in Hawaii. ZERO. (now watch it be 2 or 3🙄 You're watching too many zombie movies. Having the flu will fuck people up too especially if they have pre-existing problems.The urge to flatten the curve is to prevent an over flooding of coronavirus patients needing medical attention all at the same time. There is a finite capacity to hospitals and not enough ventilators to go around if there are too many cases
The urge to flatten the curve is to prevent an over flooding of coronavirus patients needing medical attention all at the same time. There is a finite capacity to hospitals and not enough ventilators to go around if there are too many casesI'm curious as to how many are actually needing ventilators now. We got about 35 confirmed cases on Oahu, I'm quite sure most require little or no accute care. I get that it's important to be prepared. S'pose it explains the mass run on toilet paper. 😏.
PinJames5566
03-23-20, 23:04
I'm curious as to how many are actually needing ventilators now. We got about 35 confirmed cases on Oahu, I'm quite sure most require little or no accute care. I get that it's important to be prepared. S'pose it explains the mass run on toilet paper.What happened to toilet paper?
SneakyBoto
03-23-20, 23:23
I'm curious as to how many are actually needing ventilators now. We got about 35 confirmed cases on Oahu, I'm quite sure most require little or no accute care. I get that it's important to be prepared. S'pose it explains the mass run on toilet paper. 😏.I have a feeling this post is going to age really bad.
The urge to flatten the curve is to prevent an over flooding of coronavirus patients needing medical attention all at the same time. There is a finite capacity to hospitals and not enough ventilators to go around if there are too many casesThis is totally what it is. Hawaii has only about 300 ICU rooms, with most of them on Oahu. We are trying to avoid an Italy-like situation where the health care system is totally overwhelmed. New York is or might be very close to this scenario.
FleshPrince
03-24-20, 00:32
I totally agree. People fucking panicking. Fuckers got to relax and gain some perspective. People don't remember H1 N1 because the media wasn't reporting on it the way they are reporting it today. Back then the White House did not declare an emergency until at least 1,000 people had already died in the US. #'s not even close.Here is some perspective. In the H1 N1 outbreak, it is estimated that 12,500 people died and about 60,000,000 people were infected in the USA From April 2009 to April 2010 per the CDC. That is a mortality rate of. 0002 or. 02%. In contrast, currently in the US there have been 540 deaths out of 42,600 known cases. That is a mortality rate of about 1. 26%. So the lethality rate for covid is 63 times more than the H1 N1 so far. Of course that rate will decline as more cases are detected due to increased testing. But if you multiply the 1. 26% rate for covid and assume that it infects the same amount of Americans (60 million) as the h1 n1 did, you get a staggering 750,000 deaths compared to the 12,500 for h1 n1.
Here is some perspective. In the H1 N1 outbreak, it is estimated that 12,500 people died and about 60,000,000 people were infected in the USA From April 2009 to April 2010 per the CDC. That is a mortality rate of. 0002 or. 02%. In contrast, currently in the US there have been 540 deaths out of 42,600 known cases. That is a mortality rate of about 1. 26%. So the lethality rate for covid is 63 times more than the H1 N1 so far. Of course that rate will decline as more cases are detected due to increased testing. But if you multiply the 1. 26% rate for covid and assume that it infects the same amount of Americans (60 million) as the h1 n1 did, you get a staggering 750,000 deaths compared to the 12,500 for h1 n1.You're basing the mortality rate of one year against a few weeks. As more people are tested that number will shrink. The mortality rate of H1 N1 was way higher in its beginning as well. While I trust the CDCs numbers, you can read from past unbiased reports, 2012, of different results. Like this one. They use the higher estimated numbers from the CDC, but with a twist.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/death-rates-from-2009-swine-flu-pandemic-15-times-higher-than-earlier-estimates-study-finds/#.
I have a feeling this post is going to age really bad.I have a generally more positive outlook in most things. Except government. That will always be a shit show. 😉.
FleshPrince
03-24-20, 01:26
You're basing the mortality rate of one year against a few weeks. As more people are tested that number will shrink. The mortality rate of H1 N1 was way higher in its beginning as well. While I trust the CDCs numbers, you can read from past unbiased reports, 2012, of different results. Like this one. They use the higher estimated numbers from the CDC, but with a twist.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/death-rates-from-2009-swine-flu-pandemic-15-times-higher-than-earlier-estimates-study-finds/#.Yes I saw that report as well. But the problem with your statement is that the 15 times higher mortality rate was caused by the lower income countries like China AND India being included in the equation, where the death rate was much higher due to lack of medical facilities and medicine, poorer general health of those infected, etc. The USA rate for the H1 N1 was as I stated, the. 02% That rate did not get updated as far as I know. The article that I drew from also included the comments and observations from the article you posted a link to. So the higher rates you referred to were the result of including the lower income countries. If you'd like I can post the link to the article I drew from but it's lengthy and I figured no one would read the whole thing anyway. But if you want to read it let me know and I'll gladly post the link.
I'd rather err on the side of caution myself especially when mortality is considered. It might not be you that needs to worry but a whole lot of other people aren't as lucky health wise. Preventing the spread helps them and us all. I personally will gladly give 2 to 4 weeks for that and I understand that other people aren't as lucky money wise.
There is a chasm there between the negative impact of those two strings of luck.
I don't think panic is warranted nor 800 rolls of toilet paper just compassion all around for those less fortunate in different ways. I prepare and hope it's a small impact. Or maybe our preparations is what makes it a small impact.
Bunch of hype right there. Unfortunately, we'll have to see after a year to actually see the factual results compared to H1 N1. About 18000 deaths from H1 N1 in a year, we are at a whole 400 in the USA so far. I will bet you remain at zero deaths in Hawaii. ZERO. (now watch it be 2 or 3🙄 You're watching too many zombie movies. Having the flu will fuck people up too especially if they have pre-existing problems.You mentioned ZERO deaths in Hawaii and 1 day later 1st Hawaii person Dies? Not sure if you believe in karma but be very careful about jinxing yourself about this Coronavirus or for that matter any virus or flu. I seen it too many time where people say stuff and next thing you know it happens to them like I said before example Rudy Gobert. You and some other people might not think this Coronavirus is serious and that cool everyone has there own opinions just be careful of what's being said because karma has a way to bite you in the ass I know it happens to me sometimes too. Just amazing how things work out.
Yes I saw that report as well. But the problem with your statement is that the 15 times higher mortality rate was caused by the lower income countries like China AND India being included in the equation, where the death rate was much higher due to lack of medical facilities and medicine, poorer general health of those infected, etc. The USA rate for the H1 N1 was as I stated, the. 02% That rate did not get updated as far as I know. The article that I drew from also included the comments and observations from the article you posted a link to. So the higher rates you referred to were the result of including the lower income countries. If you'd like I can post the link to the article I drew from but it's lengthy and I figured no one would read the whole thing anyway. But if you want to read it let me know and I'll gladly post the link.Post the link please.
Bunch of hype right there. Unfortunately, we'll have to see after a year to actually see the factual results compared to H1 N1. About 18000 deaths from H1 N1 in a year, we are at a whole 400 in the USA so far. I will bet you remain at zero deaths in Hawaii. ZERO. (now watch it be 2 or 3🙄 You're watching too many zombie movies. Having the flu will fuck people up too especially if they have pre-existing problems.Well one death already in Hawaii. So worst is yet to come.
FleshPrince
03-24-20, 04:19
[QUOTE=HILife69;4717726]Post
Ask and you shall receive.
https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/cdcresponse.htm
Well one death already in Hawaii. So worst is yet to come.Yeah, just read it. "The person died Friday and suffered from multiple underlying health conditions", so, the straw that broke the camels back. 😉.
WarriorForLife
03-24-20, 06:43
Just wonder if Hawaii will house the homeless in the hotel. California starts doing so to avoid homeless picking up the virus.
FleshPrince
03-24-20, 08:52
Post the link please.Sorry but the previous link didn't work so I guess I will do it this way. Refer to the two links below, of which one is from HiPickle and the other is from me.
Extracting info from both, you can see that the USA mortality rate for covid is currently 1. 26%, and the rate for the USA H1 N1 outbreak was. 02%. HiPickle's point was that the actual rate for h1 n1 was much higher, but if you read the article that he provided, it was higher due to lower income countries including India and China being included in the equation as the death rate in those countries were much higher. So it's not an apples to apples comparison. The USA ONLY mortality rate for covid is 63 times more than the USA rate for H1 N1.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/death-rates-from-2009-swine-flu-pandemic-15-times-higher-than-earlier-estimates-study-finds/#.
Hope this works better.
Just wonder if Hawaii will house the homeless in the hotel. California starts doing so to avoid homeless picking up the virus.Mo bettah use the Convention Center, Aloha Stadium, and other large venues for uses directly associated with the COVID 19 (shelter, triage, criminal, medical, etc.); using abandoned structures, and the like to alleviate the lack of hospital and frontline spaces. Not too early to think about it; no need act immediately, but prepare with planning so can move ASAP.
I haven't seen a cop lately. Are they staying home and the media are ignoring it? Now is a good time to rob a bank.
ReallyOldGuy
03-24-20, 15:52
I haven't seen a cop lately. Are they staying home and the media are ignoring it? Now is a good time to rob a bank.Yeah, but be sure to wear a mask. Your and the teller's safety are important. It's not all about the money.
SneakyBoto
03-24-20, 22:20
I haven't seen a cop lately. Are they staying home and the media are ignoring it? Now is a good time to rob a bank.They are out and about at night patrolling the streets. Many cops at night.
WarriorForLife
03-25-20, 06:29
Is going to get a legit massage for back pain essential?
They are out and about at night patrolling the streets. Many cops at night.LE no need to be seen to be 'out there. ' I know of cops riding bicycles in T-shirt, shorts, and slippahs (with HF radio, concealed weapon). HPD is well-aware of impending criminal activity during hardships along with those who no follow rules, protocol, and respect for others.
For those qualifying (60+ yo) seniors out there: Don Quixote has daily senior citizen discount, 0600-0700 hrs.
WarriorForLife
03-26-20, 00:05
How Hawaii had one death on Corona virus? Now no more, must be some kind of fuck up on the reporting.
TheSpius19
03-26-20, 00:09
please confirm. Is this a plague? That's killing some perfectly healthy people in their 20's.yes.
It is.
TheSpius19
03-26-20, 00:13
Bunch of hype right there. Unfortunately, we'll have to see after a year to actually see the factual results compared to H1 N1. About 18000 deaths from H1 N1 in a year, we are at a whole 400 in the USA so far. I will bet you remain at zero deaths in Hawaii. ZERO. (now watch it be 2 or 3🙄 You're watching too many zombie movies. Having the flu will fuck people up too especially if they have pre-existing problems.THREE days ago you said this. We're currently at 1,032.
But please, keep telling everyone how it's "just hype. ".
This shit is real and it's about damn time people take it seriously.
ClaraForever
03-26-20, 00:38
THREE days ago you said this. We're currently at 1,032.
But please, keep telling everyone how it's "just hype. ".
This shit is real and it's about damn time people take it seriously.CNA use plastic trash bags cause they don't have fown enough. Front line medis don't have gown enough and they us uv lighter to sanitize used masks. One ventilator for two patients.
But even that is better than Italy.
Italy give up senior patients already just praying they die in less pain. In Spain cops found deal seniors alone cause young caregovers got freaked and all ran away. Switzerland with 8. 5 M population announced more than 10 K patient today.
All those countries medical level is not low though not jh level. But too many sudden flow ruined the whole.
Florida, Kentucky and more states must deal with young positive kids from vacation. Airport, reckless party and fuck fest, all thought it was not affecting community. Today I found 12 years old girl in icu and south Korea already report suspicious case of 18 years old healthy boy-doctors say it is cytokine storm though it may be from covid or flu. European countries now 1/4 or more beda are occupied by young people under 50.
I know it is so damn tiring but just put butt at home now and also let our ladies take rest and learn how important one customer is too.
Well one death already in Hawaii. So worst is yet to come.
THREE days ago you said this. We're currently at 1,032.
But please, keep telling everyone how it's "just hype. ".
This shit is real and it's about damn time people take it seriously.https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/03/24/state-officials-report-first-coronavirus-related-death-hawaii/
You have a whopping 6 people island wide who actually need hospitalization that MIGHT be infected with COVID-19 🤔.
Nope, it's fucking hype. Just because you have it doesn't mean you're going to die. Is there concern about it for elderly and immune deficiencies? Hell yeah. I'm betting most of you don't fall into both categories or you wouldn't be takin the blue pill. 😏.
Several friends and acquaintances have e-mailed concerning their COVID 19 stay-at-home experiences, with some expressing their losses. These losses are, but not limited to: freedom (going stir crazy, I guess), security, etc. Anyway, we all know the difficulties encountered by others during this difficult time. This is only the beginning and hope that we all respect each other and wish for the best without losing our greatest asset: inalienable rights and freedoms under our constitution. If it's something disdainful just ignore, filter, and report per Attention Honolulu Posters, lines one (1) and seven (7), above. Everybody stay the course and be safe; see you buggahs at the KBs when this virus thing is pau.
FleshPrince
03-26-20, 03:38
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/03/24/state-officials-report-first-coronavirus-related-death-hawaii/
You have a whopping 6 people island wide who actually need hospitalization that MIGHT be infected with COVID-19 🤔.
Nope, it's fucking hype. Just because you have it doesn't mean you're going to die. Is there concern about it for elderly and immune deficiencies? Hell yeah. I'm betting most of you don't fall into both categories or you wouldn't be takin the blue pill. 😏.So would you advocate for taking less aggressive measures than we are now (in Hawaii), and then taking more aggressive measures after a certain number of cases and covid related deaths? If so, what are the acceptable number of deaths in Hawaii before taking action?
So would you advocate for taking less aggressive measures than we are now (in Hawaii), and then taking more aggressive measures after a certain number of cases and covid related deaths? If so, what are the acceptable number of deaths in Hawaii before taking action?I pretty much spelled out what measures I think would be prudent in here. I'm still waiting for the mass death count the media is espousing. Yes, they're losing a lot in Europe. Do you realize how many people are smokers in Europe? Half the population probably has lung disease and this version of virus attacks exactly that. I know I go against the grain of the crowd mentality, that's because I don't follow the crowd who apparently can't get enough of the media hype. Like this turd from BSNBC 🙄.
FleshPrince
03-26-20, 06:40
I pretty much spelled out what measures I think would be prudent in here. I'm still waiting for the mass death count the media is espousing. Yes, they're losing a lot in Europe. Do you realize how many people are smokers in Europe? Half the population probably has lung disease and this version of virus attacks exactly that. I know I go against the grain of the crowd mentality, that's because I don't follow the crowd who apparently can't get enough of the media hype. Like this turd from BSNBC 🙄.You've said a lot of things in here. So I just wanted to be clear on what measures you think are appropriate as of now in Hawaii given the covid situation.
Also, you inadvertently evaded the question of how many Hawaii deaths would be acceptable before drastic measures should be taken. Please share your opinion on this issue since you seem to be abhorred by the measures taken so far, and believe that they are a huge overreaction. Thanks.
Preventative measures implemented after the fact are not as effective as when they are implemented before anything happens. The cavalier attitudes about this crisis are at a polar opposite from trained medical professional opinions and statistical facts. They are also MILES away from first hand accounts of direct responders.
I take the first hand accounts and professional medical advice over anything said by others including myself. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.
We have to start thinking with our other head. The rate of transmission of this virus is MUCH higher than normal flu, and we don't have a vaccine. The point of quarantine and social distancing is to avoid catastrophe BEFORE it happens, before we run out of medical supplies, before it spreads to our most vulnerable population. It's tough in this age of social media induced self-absorption, but we have to think about other people, something our political leadership in general, and the Orange One in particular, is patently incapable of doing.
We have to start thinking with our other head. The rate of transmission of this virus is MUCH higher than normal flu, and we don't have a vaccine. The point of quarantine and social distancing is to avoid catastrophe BEFORE it happens, before we run out of medical supplies, before it spreads to our most vulnerable population. It's tough in this age of social media induced self-absorption, but we have to think about other people, something our political leadership in general, and the Orange One in particular, is patently incapable of doing.The chief epidemiologist has just stated this morning that this virus is cyclical; to beware for another round of infections. This thing is like a bad orange weed; worldwide tally so far: 474 K infections; 21 K deaths). U.S. tally: 69K infected; 1.8 K deaths; 3.28 million unemployed (data as of 0700 hrs.).
TheSpius19
03-26-20, 14:54
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/03/24/state-officials-report-first-coronavirus-related-death-hawaii/
You have a whopping 6 people island wide who actually need hospitalization that MIGHT be infected with COVID-19 🤔.
Nope, it's fucking hype. Just because you have it doesn't mean you're going to die. Is there concern about it for elderly and immune deficiencies? Hell yeah. I'm betting most of you don't fall into both categories or you wouldn't be takin the blue pill. 😏.You're a living example of Darwinism at work.
TheSpius19
03-26-20, 14:56
I pretty much spelled out what measures I think would be prudent in here. I'm still waiting for the mass death count the media is espousing. Yes, they're losing a lot in Europe. Do you realize how many people are smokers in Europe? Half the population probably has lung disease and this version of virus attacks exactly that. I know I go against the grain of the crowd mentality, that's because I don't follow the crowd who apparently can't get enough of the media hype. Like this turd from BSNBC 🙄.Yeah. Yeah. You're "a rebel, Dotti. A loner. ".
Give me a break.
You're ignorantly ignoring science and scientists and you're putting your neighbor's lives at risk because you're selfish and stupid.
Shameful.
HaoleGirlLover
03-26-20, 19:11
This damn virus is going to make my right arm and wrist huge and strong! And probably for the better of course! 🤦127995;8205;9794;65039; But still damn urge. Got to watch videos of sick people to scare me straight! Down town is like a ghost town. I guess even SW are being cautious. Be safe mongers It will pass but not anytime soon. Pffttt.
My fav girl said no plan of secret shop operation. Just keep closed for a while.
Cause she and her coworkers think they would be OK though infection but they want to help all people's effort and to protect their senior guy friends.
Incogfilipino
03-26-20, 20:09
This damn virus is going to make my right arm and wrist huge and strong! And probably for the better of course! 🤦127995;8205;9794;65039; But still damn urge. Got to watch videos of sick people to scare me straight! Down town is like a ghost town. I guess even SW are being cautious. Be safe mongers It will pass but not anytime soon. Pffttt.PornHub is offering free premium right now, to help people stay home, if you didn't know.
I know there probably aren't any SW out there, wonder if there are any escorts or MP still working?
WarriorForLife
03-26-20, 21:03
LVBs are saving money by not going out now. And stimulus money might be coming soon. So it is possibly LVBs might be coming out in force when this crisis is over. My honey said she is doing fine. But the thing is my big Boozoka has been idle for a while. Can't wait for this crisis is over so I could fire it again.
PornHub is offering free premium right now, to help people stay home, if you didn't know.
I know there probably aren't any SW out there, wonder if there are any escorts or MP still workingGreat to know! Thanks for the info. Saves the day.
You're a living example of Darwinism at work.
Yeah. Yeah. You're "a rebel, Dotti. A loner. ".
Give me a break.
You're ignorantly ignoring science and scientists and you're putting your neighbor's lives at risk because you're selfish and stupid.
Shameful.You snowflake, don't know what I'm physically doing, I'm simply posting my thoughts on the matter. Did I say I was out licking the population? GTFO. Here's something I'm curious about. Maybe you bright guys can enlighten me. Check my math, but something doesn't make sense.
According to the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm.
The seasonal flu, which includes various strains A and B, is at 23,000 deaths in the USA between September 29 and March 11.
164 days. Divide that. Over 140 deaths per day in the USA from the seasonal flu.
Now COVID-19. Again from the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
994 deaths since January 21 to March 26.61 days, now divide.
16 deaths a day in the USA from COVID-19.
140 deaths per day from the seasonal flu.
What's the pandemic? 😏.
Try rational arguments. I'm all ears.
Everybody is now a prisoner in their own homes. Nobody can leave. I don't know if the government is lying or not! The government has lied to the people in the past. Not everything they shared was the truth. That is why I don't know if this is the truth or not. Maybe this is set up for something bigger to come? All I know is there is no toilet paper! No hand sanitizers! I have even seen price gouging! So what happens if everybody stays home for 14 days and people still get sick. The new cases climb! Then what?! Are they going to increase the stay at home to May? Or June? Or October?
Incogfilipino
03-27-20, 05:06
You snowflake, don't know what I'm physically doing, I'm simply posting my thoughts on the matter. Did I say I was out licking the population? GTFO. Here's something I'm curious about. Maybe you bright guys can enlighten me. Check my math, but something doesn't make sense.
According to the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm.
The seasonal flu, which includes various strains A and B, is at 23,000 deaths in the USA between September 29 and March 11.
164 days. Divide that. Over 140 deaths per day in the USA from the seasonal flu.
Now COVID-19. Again from the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
994 deaths since January 21 to March 26.61 days, now divide.
16 deaths a day in the USA from COVID-19.
140 deaths per day from the seasonal flu.
What's the pandemic? 😏.
Try rational arguments. I'm all ears.https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/blob/master/csse_covid_19_data/csse_covid_19_time_series/time_series_covid19_deaths_global.csv
Here are the deaths worldwide in a spreadsheet format. Not trying to argue, but dividing deaths by days only works if cases increase in a linear fashion. This has been rising exponentially, however, with most countries doubling cases every 3 to 4 days during peaks. We aren't to the point of the curve Italy has gotten to, for example, but you can see how it could rise to thousands of deaths a day very quickly. Our death rate has been basically doubling every four days as well, but it has not peaked yet due to our larger population. Age may also play a factor, as well as resiliency of infrastructure, since Italy has a large elderly population, but they also have some of the best health care systems in the world. Still plenty of time for death numbers to catch up, since the US is recording well over 100 deaths a day now.
Things will probably get worse before they get better though. This thing exploded really quickly. Makes you wonder how dirty people are and how many people haven't been washing their hands prior to that. Again, not trying to argue, just saying the speed of how this thing has been growing has been crazy.
Punanilicr
03-27-20, 07:14
You snowflake, don't know what I'm physically doing, I'm simply posting my thoughts on the matter. Did I say I was out licking the population? GTFO. Here's something I'm curious about. Maybe you bright guys can enlighten me. Check my math, but something doesn't make sense.
According to the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm.
The seasonal flu, which includes various strains A and B, is at 23,000 deaths in the USA between September 29 and March 11.
164 days. Divide that. Over 140 deaths per day in the USA from the seasonal flu.
Now COVID-19. Again from the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
994 deaths since January 21 to March 26.61 days, now divide.
16 deaths a day in the USA from COVID-19.
140 deaths per day from the seasonal flu.
What's the pandemic?
Try rational arguments. I'm all ears.All I know is that every year, I can get a flu shot that will prevent me from getting most varieties of the seasonal flu. I haven't had the flu in years. As of today, there's no vaccine for Covid19. Therefore, everyone, is capable of getting the virus. That's the main difference, and that's what makes it a pandemic. Anyone and everyone can get it. Get a flu shot and you most likely are good to go.
Ichiro Cho
03-27-20, 09:05
https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/blob/master/csse_covid_19_data/csse_covid_19_time_series/time_series_covid19_deaths_global.csv
Here are the deaths worldwide in a spreadsheet format. Not trying to argue, but dividing deaths by days only works if cases increase in a linear fashion. This has been rising exponentially, however, with most countries doubling cases every 3 to 4 days during peaks. We aren't to the point of the curve Italy has gotten to, for example, but you can see how it could rise to thousands of deaths a day very quickly. Our death rate has been basically doubling every four days as well, but it has not peaked yet due to our larger population. Age may also play a factor, as well as resiliency of infrastructure, since Italy has a large elderly population, but they also have some of the best health care systems in the world. Still plenty of time for death numbers to catch up, since the US is recording well over 100 deaths a day now.
Things will probably get worse before they get better though. This thing exploded really quickly. Makes you wonder how dirty people are and how many people haven't been washing their hands prior to that. Again, not trying to argue, just saying the speed of how this thing has been growing has been crazy.Brother Incog is correct, Covid-19 is much more contagious than the flu and infections grow exponentially. Also consider that the mortality rate for the annual flu is about. 01% vs 1. 00% to 2. 50% for Covid-19. At the bottom rate that is ten times more deadly than the flu. Why is it more deadly? The flu attacks your upper respiratory system (ie nasal sinuses throat), while the Covid attacks the lungs. In acute cases, the virus gets into your lower tracts of your lungs causing a cascade of inflammation, scaring and Pneumonia. Another factor to consider is that this is a "novel" virus" meaning that our immune system has not seen it before and as a result we generally do not have a natural resistance to the virus. Public Health officials are worried because if too many people get sick all at once, there are not enough hospital beds or supplies to take care of all these people which will drive the mortality rate even higher. Take out your handy spreadsheet take 2 x2 and keep multiplying the result by 2. Assuming the virus infects 2. 5 people every four days. Allowed to grow unchecked it will infect 19,073 people in the first 40-days. The numbers just spiral upward. This is just my back of the napkin calculation. Health officials have sophisticated mathematical models for this kind of thing. This is the reason health officials want us all to wash our hands and practice social distancing.
I hope this helps. Stay safe brothers.
https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/blob/master/csse_covid_19_data/csse_covid_19_time_series/time_series_covid19_deaths_global.csv
Here are the deaths worldwide in a spreadsheet format. Not trying to argue, but dividing deaths by days only works if cases increase in a linear fashion. This has been rising exponentially, however, with most countries doubling cases every 3 to 4 days during peaks. We aren't to the point of the curve Italy has gotten to, for example, but you can see how it could rise to thousands of deaths a day very quickly. Our death rate has been basically doubling every four days as well, but it has not peaked yet due to our larger population. Age may also play a factor, as well as resiliency of infrastructure, since Italy has a large elderly population, but they also have some of the best health care systems in the world. Still plenty of time for death numbers to catch up, since the US is recording well over 100 deaths a day now.
Things will probably get worse before they get better though. This thing exploded really quickly. Makes you wonder how dirty people are and how many people haven't been washing their hands prior to that. Again, not trying to argue, just saying the speed of how this thing has been growing has been crazy.Thanks for the input. I've heard that same explanation before of course. I understand the virility of this strain of virus. What I question most is it's lethality. I do know that Europeans smoke like chimneys over there, so Spain and Italy catching a big brunt of deaths seems a logical progression. More have lung issues so more events equals more tested and more die. . Here in the US as elsewhere, I'd presume, you don't get tested unless you are showing simptoms, so makes sense for their numbers. Italys single payer Healthcare as one of the best in the world is debatable. I suppose I'll need six months of equal duration of this strain event to support my argument. .
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2iFR9voZqmaaQ1iqxsK9cC32yugU2q1aTxZZgNUQbxPb_dfWEEhhUDgi8#countries https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2iFR9voZqmaaQ1iqxsK9cC32yugU2q1aTxZZgNUQbxPb_dfWEEhhUDgi8#countries.
We have surpassed China in cases yet less than half of their deaths. Chinese smoke like chimanys too I might add. Our event timeline looks more promising than what media portrays. Time will tell.
Incogfilipino
03-27-20, 14:54
Thanks for the input. I've heard that same explanation before of course. I understand the virility of this strain of virus. What I question most is it's lethality. I do know that Europeans smoke like chimneys over there, so Spain and Italy catching a big brunt of deaths seems a logical progression. More have lung issues so more events equals more tested and more die. . Here in the US as elsewhere, I'd presume, you don't get tested unless you are showing simptoms, so makes sense for their numbers. Italys single payer Healthcare as one of the best in the world is debatable. I suppose I'll need six months of equal duration of this strain event to support my argument. .
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2iFR9voZqmaaQ1iqxsK9cC32yugU2q1aTxZZgNUQbxPb_dfWEEhhUDgi8#countries https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2iFR9voZqmaaQ1iqxsK9cC32yugU2q1aTxZZgNUQbxPb_dfWEEhhUDgi8#countries.
We have surpassed China in cases yet less than half of their deaths. Chinese smoke like chimanys too I might add. Our event timeline looks more promising than what media portrays. Time will tell.It's hard to tell right now since there are so many unknowns. China might have tons of smokers but they also have horrible pollution that might affect regular people in the same way as smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. I'm definitely in the boat that people need to stop overreacting and panic buying, but I'm also in the boat that people just need to be clean and stay the fuck home and let things die down. There are going to be arguments on both sides, people thinking this is nothing, people thinking this is apocalypse now or the rapture, but it's simply too early to tell. That's why just going by facts, it's still an incomplete set of data to support either side. If people stay inside and things slow down it would be very anticlimactic and the other side would say "see, told you so!" but it could go the other way too.
I'm just itching to travel again and been wanting to head back to the PI or Thailand, so I just want people to calm the fuck down and stay home and let this pass so I can travel again.
FleshPrince
03-27-20, 15:00
You snowflake, don't know what I'm physically doing, I'm simply posting my thoughts on the matter. Did I say I was out licking the population? GTFO. Here's something I'm curious about. Maybe you bright guys can enlighten me. Check my math, but something doesn't make sense.
According to the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm.
The seasonal flu, which includes various strains A and B, is at 23,000 deaths in the USA between September 29 and March 11.
164 days. Divide that. Over 140 deaths per day in the USA from the seasonal flu.
Now COVID-19. Again from the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
994 deaths since January 21 to March 26.61 days, now divide.
16 deaths a day in the USA from COVID-19.
140 deaths per day from the seasonal flu.
What's the pandemic? 😏.
Try rational arguments. I'm all ears.The reason that the number of deaths caused by seasonal flus are higher in the US is that the seasonal flus are already circulating among the population before flu season starts. So the germs are already circulating and waiting for the most favorable conditions (winter weather favors transmission and worsens severity of illness). In orher words the seasonal flus have had a head start among the population in terms of the base of its spread compared to covid 19, which is new.
What is known about the seasonal flu is that it pretty much peters out after winter, since it needs favorable conditions to sustain its spread. This is due to the fact that a lot of people are already immune to these "old" viruses since they already had them in the past. So the rate of spread declines rapidly after winter since the cold dry weather dissipates and schools are out during summer, which lessens the concentration of hosts in a close indoor setting (school kids).
The covid 19, however, may not go away so easily after winter since no one is immune to it and thus does not need such favorable conditions for it to sustain its spread.
Regarding lethality, the CDC has already stated that covid19 is 10 times more lethal than the regular flu and to make matters worse is way more contagious.
https://ccdd.hsph.harvard.edu/will-covid-19-go-away-on-its-own-in-warmer-weather/
WarriorForLife
03-27-20, 18:00
Someone got cited for violate shelter in place order yesterday, walking her dog, I thought we could do that?
The reason that the number of deaths caused by seasonal flus are higher in the US is that the seasonal flus are already circulating among the population before flu season starts. So the germs are already circulating and waiting for the most favorable conditions (winter weather favors transmission and worsens severity of illness). In orher words the seasonal flus have had a head start among the population in terms of the base of its spread compared to covid 19, which is new.
What is known about the seasonal flu is that it pretty much peters out after winter, since it needs favorable conditions to sustain its spread. This is due to the fact that a lot of people are already immune to these "old" viruses since they already had them in the past. So the rate of spread declines rapidly after winter since the cold dry weather dissipates and schools are out during summer, which lessens the concentration of hosts in a close indoor setting (school kids).
The covid 19, however, may not go away so easily after winter since no one is immune to it and thus does not need such favorable conditions for it to sustain its spread.
Regarding lethality, the CDC has already stated that covid19 is 10 times more lethal than the regular flu and to make matters worse is way more contagious.
https://ccdd.hsph.harvard.edu/will-covid-19-go-away-on-its-own-in-warmer-weather/I can't find the 10 x deadly reference in CDC. You have the link? Again, time will tell. I don't mind the initial response of lock downs at a little known virus to control it and "Flatten the curve", but a quarantine is the act of seperating those with it and those most at risk of having it. Not 100 % of the population. I realize the "we don't know who has it" arguments, but the problem is people, via media hysteria, are thinking it's a death sentence, when it's not. We do know who's most at risk, elderly with immune system deficiencies especially lung related. If they stay quarantined they have better control. Everyone else may have already had it and already recovered from minor effects or asymptomatic effects. Just my thoughts.
LVBs are saving money by not going out now. And stimulus money might be coming soon. So it is possibly LVBs might be coming out in force when this crisis is over. My honey said she is doing fine. But the thing is my big Boozoka has been idle for a while. Can't wait for this crisis is over so I could fire it again.Like the chief epidemiologist informed: the virus sets the timeline, not the humans. Plenty money being conserved without the KBs and KBGs. Going be one big bang when this is over and freedom is back in order; plenty cannons going boom.
Someone got cited for violate shelter in place order yesterday, walking her dog, I thought we could do that?Limited exercising is allowable; maybe walking the dog isn't. Anyway, you supposed to get one first warning; after that, ignoring and continued violation of the warning will get you misdemeanor fine and possible jail sentence. It's all over the news but things do change as we go with this problem.
Someone got cited for violate shelter in place order yesterday, walking her dog, I thought we could do that?The people who were cited ignored police warnings to stay out of state or city owned parks. However if it gets really bad here, we may find the national guard patrolling our neighborhoods keeping us in place. Let's hope it doesn't get that bad. As for the US passing China, don't believe what the CCP is saying. They kicked out foreign journalists, and stamped out any dissent. They can under report all they want and no one will call them out on it. Plus when the next wave occurs, and it eventually will everywhere, the CCP can then blame it on outsiders bringing the virus back.
Remember when this forum was filled with posts on sex? Hopefully those days will return, rather than this thread as the most active. Hang on until June fellas. It's going to be a rocky one until then.
Not in the parks or any other areas closed off by the state and city. Probably more to the story, as cops I know said that they would only cite folks if they didn't listen or gave attitude when approached.
Someone got cited for violate shelter in place order yesterday, walking her dog, I thought we could do that?
I can't find the 10 x deadly reference in CDC. You have the link? Again, time will tell. I don't mind the initial response of lock downs at a little known virus to control it and "Flatten the curve", but a quarantine is the act of seperating those with it and those most at risk of having it. Not 100 % of the population. I realize the "we don't know who has it" arguments, but the problem is people, via media hysteria, are thinking it's a death sentence, when it's not. We do know who's most at risk, elderly with immune system deficiencies especially lung related. If they stay quarantined they have better control. Everyone else may have already had it and already recovered from minor effects or asymptomatic effects. Just my thoughts.https://www.thecollegefix.com/stanford-epidemiologist-warns-that-coronavirus-crackdown-is-based-on-bad-data/
Someone got cited for violate shelter in place order yesterday, walking her dog, I thought we could do that?Can you provide the link to that news!?
Incogfilipino
03-27-20, 20:53
Can you provide the link to that news!?https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/03/27/hawaii-news/honolulu-police-issue-70-citations-as-stay-at-home-orders-are-enforced-statewide/
However, Honolulu police did issue dozens of citations to enforce the governor’s stay-home order. One of the unlucky recipients was Kelli Hergert, 49, who was stopped as she walked her dog across a closed Kahala park at about 2:30 p.m. Thursday. A police officer was ticketing two skateboarders on the other side and stopped her as well, she said.
“I really felt like that was unnecessary, and I was a little shocked that I didn’t get a warning,” said Hergert. “It wasn’t even a sense that there was going to be a warning; it was citation all the way.”
FleshPrince
03-27-20, 21:04
I can't find the 10 x deadly reference in CDC. You have the link? Again, time will tell. I don't mind the initial response of lock downs at a little known virus to control it and "Flatten the curve", but a quarantine is the act of seperating those with it and those most at risk of having it. Not 100 % of the population. I realize the "we don't know who has it" arguments, but the problem is people, via media hysteria, are thinking it's a death sentence, when it's not. We do know who's most at risk, elderly with immune system deficiencies especially lung related. If they stay quarantined they have better control. Everyone else may have already had it and already recovered from minor effects or asymptomatic effects. Just my thoughts.It was Anthony Fauci who stated that the covid19 is at least 10 times more lethal than seasonal flu. He is National Director of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. He graduated 1st in his class from Cornell Medical School so I trust he is not a dummy spouting off irresponsible stats.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/11/top-federal-health-official-says-coronavirus-outbreak-is-going-to-get-worse-in-the-us.html
Like the chief epidemiologist informed: the virus sets the timeline, not the humans. Plenty money being conserved without the KBs and KBGs. Going be one big bang when this is over and freedom is back in order; plenty cannons going boom.Idk. More people will wake up and say "f#$k this shit, I better not spend my money foolishly" . The demise of KB life is nearing its end. Hopefully a new version of KB will take its place.
BaldEagle444
03-27-20, 23:01
Hey guys, I have been trying to be safe and make my own food but I get tired of cooking. It looks like Central Pacipic Bank is offering to pay for half of food pick-ups to boost local economy using social media.
https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/central-pacific-bank-will-pay-for-half-of-your-meal/
Highly recommend hot food items only. After pick up please hit up for sufficient time in the microwaves to kill the virus. You may die from free puss, not from the food.
TheSpius19
03-27-20, 23:14
You snowflake, don't know what I'm physically doing, I'm simply posting my thoughts on the matter. Did I say I was out licking the population? GTFO. Here's something I'm curious about. Maybe you bright guys can enlighten me. Check my math, but something doesn't make sense.
According to the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm.
The seasonal flu, which includes various strains A and B, is at 23,000 deaths in the USA between September 29 and March 11.
164 days. Divide that. Over 140 deaths per day in the USA from the seasonal flu.
Now COVID-19. Again from the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
994 deaths since January 21 to March 26.61 days, now divide.
16 deaths a day in the USA from COVID-19.
140 deaths per day from the seasonal flu.
What's the pandemic? 😏.
Try rational arguments. I'm all ears.YYyyyyyyeah. I'm a snowflake. LOL.
Okay, buddy. You go on out there and get people sick. Just like that pastor who said this was all "a conspiracy by the Dems to destroy Trump. " Well, he died today. Of COVID-19.
COVI-19 is kinda like God, it doesn't care if you believe in it. It believes in you.
And your flu analogy is so sophomorically stupid that it's been shot down repeatedly. I mean, for you to even TRY to use that idiocy is embarrassing.
I won't even get into the difference between linear growth of the virus versus exponential growth, as some of our brothers have already broken that down for you. And I don't need to discuss the "novel" aspect and how that is regarding your immune system since that's been covered as well.
So how about your, "We can handle it" assertion? You really don't understand what's going to happen when our hospitals get overloaded. Which they not only will, but already are.
Let me put it to you this way. Every year McDonald's serves BILLIONS of hamburgers. If I drive up to a McDonald's and order a MILLION hamburgers, I overload the system at that McDonald's. Now you're over here going, "That's ridiculous! They can handle it! They serve BILLIONS every YEAR! MAGA MAGA maga maga".
Well, no. That's now how it works.
You're not smarter than the world's virologists and epidemiologists.
People's lives are in danger. Maybe you live, but you're going to kill your friend's mother or grandmother. You're going to spread it. Quite frankly you should be locked down and forced into isolation because that kind of stupidity is dangerous.
Thems the facts.
TheSpius19
03-27-20, 23:15
It was Anthony Fauci who stated that the covid19 is at least 10 times more lethal than seasonal flu. He is National Director of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. He graduated 1st in his class from Cornell Medical School so I trust he is not a dummy spouting off irresponsible stats.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/11/top-federal-health-official-says-coronavirus-outbreak-is-going-to-get-worse-in-the-us.htmlAnd he's also been leading the US in its fights against infectious diseases since Reagan.
WarriorForLife
03-27-20, 23:17
The woman / dog walker better have a lawyer to fight for her charges, $5000 fine isn't pocket change. As far as the two skatboarder kids, their parent must be so pissed off right now.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/03/27/hawaii-news/honolulu-police-issue-70-citations-as-stay-at-home-orders-are-enforced-statewide/.
WarriorForLife
03-28-20, 00:05
Agree, when this crisis is over, going to be one loud kaboom. LVBs will be out to empty out their bazooka, don't know how long that will last, probably till their wallet emptied out once again.
Like the chief epidemiologist informed: the virus sets the timeline, not the humans. Plenty money being conserved without the KBs and KBGs. Going be one big bang when this is over and freedom is back in order; plenty cannons going boom.
YYyyyyyyeah. I'm a snowflake. LOL.
Okay, buddy. You go on out there and get people sick. Just like that pastor who said this was all "a conspiracy by the Dems to destroy Trump. " Well, he died today. Of COVID-19.
COVI-19 is kinda like God, it doesn't care if you believe in it. It believes in you.
And your flu analogy is so sophomorically stupid that it's been shot down repeatedly. I mean, for you to even TRY to use that idiocy is embarrassing.
I won't even get into the difference between linear growth of the virus versus exponential growth, as some of our brothers have already broken that down for you. And I don't need to discuss the "novel" aspect and how that is regarding your immune system since that's been covered as well.
So how about your, "We can handle it" assertion? You really don't understand what's going to happen when our hospitals get overloaded. Which they not only will, but already are.
Let me put it to you this way. Every year McDonald's serves BILLIONS of hamburgers. If I drive up to a McDonald's and order a MILLION hamburgers, I overload the system at that McDonald's. Now you're over here going, "That's ridiculous! They can handle it! They serve BILLIONS every YEAR! MAGA MAGA maga maga".
Well, no. That's now how it works.
You're not smarter than the world's virologists and epidemiologists.
People's lives are in danger. Maybe you live, but you're going to kill your friend's mother or grandmother. You're going to spread it. Quite frankly you should be locked down and forced into isolation because that kind of stupidity is dangerous.
Thems the facts.Zero deaths in Hawaii still.
I can tell you swallow lots of CNN.
Just waiting for the zombies apocalypse.
Snowflake. 😉.
It was Anthony Fauci who stated that the covid19 is at least 10 times more lethal than seasonal flu. He is National Director of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. He graduated 1st in his class from Cornell Medical School so I trust he is not a dummy spouting off irresponsible stats.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/11/top-federal-health-official-says-coronavirus-outbreak-is-going-to-get-worse-in-the-us.htmlSince COVID-19 emerged in China two and a half months ago, "it clearly is not as lethal. But it certainly spreads better," he said, adding seasonal flu has a mortality rate of 0. 1%.
The WHO's estimated mortality rate for COVID-19 started off at 2%, Fauci said. If you count all the estimated cases of people who may have it but haven't been diagnosed yet, the mortality rate is probably closer to 1%, he said, "which means it's 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu. ".
There's the jist of that 10%.
FleshPrince
03-28-20, 01:06
Since COVID-19 emerged in China two and a half months ago, "it clearly is not as lethal. But it certainly spreads better," he said, adding seasonal flu has a mortality rate of 0. 1%.
The WHO's estimated mortality rate for COVID-19 started off at 2%, Fauci said. If you count all the estimated cases of people who may have it but haven't been diagnosed yet, the mortality rate is probably closer to 1%, he said, "which means it's 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu. ".
There's the jist of that 10%.I think you meant 10 X (10 times) the lethality, not 10%.
Captin Crunch
03-28-20, 02:04
Idk. More people will wake up and say "f#$k this shit, I better not spend my money foolishly" . The demise of KB life is nearing its end. Hopefully a new version of KB will take its place.Hopefully it goes back to the days when the bars actually took care of all the customers and not the big spenders. Just bring out the house pupus without even asking if you hungry. Also, buying the first round. These things brought back customers to the bar. Treat the customers with respect!
Hopefully it goes back to the days when the bars actually took care of all the customers and not the big spenders. Just bring out the house pupus without even asking if you hungry. Also, buying the first round. These things brought back customers to the bar. Treat the customers with respect!Optimistic but would be nice!
The Pirbright Institute (funded by Bill Gates), owns the patent (10130701) on the Coronavirus genetic sequencing, and did simulation testing on a global pandemic in 2018.
It was Anthony Fauci who stated that the covid19 is at least 10 times more lethal than seasonal flu. He is National Director of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. He graduated 1st in his class from Cornell Medical School so I trust he is not a dummy spouting off irresponsible stats.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/11/top-federal-health-official-says-coronavirus-outbreak-is-going-to-get-worse-in-the-us.htmlhttps://www.thecollegefix.com/stanfo...d-on-bad-data/
Agree, when this crisis is over, going to be one loud kaboom. LVBs will be out to empty out their bazooka, don't know how long that will last, probably till their wallet emptied out once again.After this experience (unemployment, loss of benefits, etc.) LVBs will probably change in the long haul. But that first time in the KBs with KBGs calls for a celebration; everybody can act lolo and blow everything; nobody got nothing on anybody. After that the majority of LVBs will probably go back to being themselves.
The woman / dog walker better have a lawyer to fight for her charges, $5000 fine isn't pocket change. As far as the two skatboarder kids, their parent must be so pissed off right now.State parks and beaches are off limits, closed, kaput (unless crossing these venues to use the "comfort stations," as stated by city parks rep). You act tantaran, you deserve whatever consequences to the full extent of the emergency law / proclamation. Those who think they are beyond the laws, virus, and safety of others: no ack.
Idk. More people will wake up and say "f#$k this shit, I better not spend my money foolishly" . The demise of KB life is nearing its end. Hopefully a new version of KB will take its place.I predicted on the KB thread that KBs will not last more than ten (10) years, 11-12 years ago; maybe it's time, as you state, for the demise of the current KBs to the replaced with a newer version of the (old, original) KB model. Or not; don't think they will learn from this experience.
Hopefully it goes back to the days when the bars actually took care of all the customers and not the big spenders. Just bring out the house pupus without even asking if you hungry. Also, buying the first round. These things brought back customers to the bar. Treat the customers with respect!I don't think it will ever change to where the customers are respected. We are dealing with a couple of new generations who just don't give a shit. The KB these days are filled with more and more misandrists.
After this experience (unemployment, loss of benefits, etc.) LVBs will probably change in the long haul. But that first time in the KBs with KBGs calls for a celebration; everybody can act lolo and blow everything; nobody got nothing on anybody. After that the majority of LVBs will probably go back to being themselves.
State parks and beaches are off limits, closed, kaput (unless crossing these venues to use the "comfort stations," as stated by city parks rep). You act tantaran, you deserve whatever consequences to the full extent of the emergency law / proclamation. Those who think they are beyond the laws, virus, and safety of others: no ack.
I predicted on the KB thread that KBs will not last more than ten (10) years, 11-12 years ago; maybe it's time, as you state, for the demise of the current KBs to the replaced with a newer version of the (old, original) KB model. Or not; don't think they will learn from this experience.You said State Parks and Beaches? I thought most public beaches and parks are overseen by the City & County? According to my friends that work for the City Parks and Recreation.
Longs or Don Quijote across the street because they open. Yeah you don't want to draw attention by parking in front of there place. Walking is a small price to pay to help them keep opened.Actually my concern was how not to draw attention from LE. They have randomly stopped some people to ask what they were doing out and about.
Actually my concern was how not to draw attention from LE. They have randomly stopped some people to ask what they were doing out and about.Just tell them you going to pick up food. Or going necessity shopping. GL!
You said State Parks and Beaches? I thought most public beaches and parks are overseen by the City & County? According to my friends that work for the City Parks and Recreation.City: Dept. of Parks & Recreation; State: DLNR.
CharliPortwood
03-28-20, 20:30
Hey guys, I have been trying to be safe and make my own food but I get tired of cooking. It looks like Central Pacipic Bank is offering to pay for half of food pick-ups to boost local economy using social media.
https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/central-pacific-bank-will-pay-for-half-of-your-meal/
Highly recommend hot food items only. After pick up please hit up for sufficient time in the microwaves to kill the virus. You may die from free puss, not from the food.I have my money. I would happily die from hoplex babies. Man, those were the day. I wish I could relive.
NerdFriday
03-28-20, 22:51
Actually my concern was how not to draw attention from LE. They have randomly stopped some people to ask what they were doing out and about.I'm pretty sure they still need "reasonable suspicion" and "probable cause" apply to traffic stops. I don't think observing one person in a car is enough for a Terry stop. You'd have to have multiple people in the car, at least; or commit a traffic violation.
Even then, you could just say you're going over to help your hanai aunty buy groceries because her kids are pieces of shit. Sound mad and it's believable.
*I'm not an attorney. Anything I've written here is in response to a writing prompt submitted by another user and should not be considered legal advice. *.
NerdFriday
03-28-20, 22:55
Hey guys, I have been trying to be safe and make my own food but I get tired of cooking. It looks like Central Pacipic Bank is offering to pay for half of food pick-ups to boost local economy using social media.
https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/central-pacific-bank-will-pay-for-half-of-your-meal/
Highly recommend hot food items only. After pick up please hit up for sufficient time in the microwaves to kill the virus. You may die from free puss, not from the food.I believe that's up to $100,000 in claims. Better submit a claim fast, because I know at least 10 people who are doing it every day. That's $200,000 in total food purchases, which will go real quick!
Mr Crowley
03-29-20, 03:14
Actually my concern was how not to draw attention from LE. They have randomly stopped some people to ask what they were doing out and about.I heard all the other girls left. They had a customer that was sick. So they left to get tested and never came back. Only Kay and another one still there. But I wouldn't trust there already.
I heard all the other girls left. They had a customer that was sick. So they left to get tested and never came back. Only Kay and another one still there. But I wouldn't trust there already.Hmmm. After thinking about it I bet some guys going on the way to work. Good idea! If only Kay and Bebe there no problem. I like both but if it's Lilly or Gina I'll pass.
I'm pretty sure they still need "reasonable suspicion" and "probable cause" apply to traffic stops. I don't think observing one person in a car is enough for a Terry stop. You'd have to have multiple people in the car, at least; or commit a traffic violation.
Even then, you could just say you're going over to help your hanai aunty buy groceries because her kids are pieces of shit. Sound mad and it's believable.
*I'm not an attorney. Anything I've written here is in response to a writing prompt submitted by another user and should not be considered legal advice. *.Nerd, wrong. Popo will stop you without probable cause or suspicion. Random, I was stopped just driving along my usual route to work. Showed my Mil I'd and dod letter and was good to go. Was reminded of 5 k fine and jail if violated.
https://www.pensford.com/why-flattening-the-curve-is-overrated/?fbclid=IwAR3oAnoMaLSsWsm2Va2T_1Ybxej2dG81TFNM0KKJa-YMhIcSN-hLlq5Ue3I
Little Dickie
03-29-20, 14:37
Hey guys, I have been trying to be safe and make my own food but I get tired of cooking. It looks like Central Pacipic Bank is offering to pay for half of food pick-ups to boost local economy using social media.
https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/central-pacific-bank-will-pay-for-half-of-your-meal/
Highly recommend hot food items only. After pick up please hit up for sufficient time in the microwaves to kill the virus. You may die from free puss, not from the food.I'll pay full price, or cook at home. I'm not posting pics on social media of the food I bought just so a bank can pay for half of it.
PowerTrip2
03-29-20, 16:13
https://www.pensford.com/why-flattening-the-curve-is-overrated/?fbclid=IwAR3oAnoMaLSsWsm2Va2T_1Ybxej2dG81TFNM0KKJa-YMhIcSN-hLlq5Ue3IYeah, I'm sure Pensford Financial is an unbiased source for this topic. Surely they value human life over their bottom line.
RickestRick
03-29-20, 16:15
I'm pretty sure they still need "reasonable suspicion" and "probable cause" apply to traffic stops. I don't think observing one person in a car is enough for a Terry stop. You'd have to have multiple people in the car, at least; or commit a traffic violation.
Even then, you could just say you're going over to help your hanai aunty buy groceries because her kids are pieces of shit. Sound mad and it's believable.
*I'm not an attorney. Anything I've written here is in response to a writing prompt submitted by another user and should not be considered legal advice. *.I spoke with a friend who works LE regarding these random traffic stops / citations and apparently they were spoken to by their higher ups (too many complaints to commissions office) regarding random traffic stops and were told to cease because it's unethical and a violation of our civil rights. Technically if you get pulled over by LE while driving and deemed random it's fight-able. What's not fight-able is if it's for an actually traffic citation ie: speeding, expired tags, etc and they find out you are not an essential worker or you punk yourself off without an alibi or reason for being out, they can cite you for $5000.
Asked about this with our in house attorney and he stated that the current stay at home order by the state and C&C of Honolulu is considered to be probable cause if you are out and about on the road, as everyone not at home could be considered to be suspected of not following the law.
DOD I'd / CAC card holders need to be careful as well, because showing it to HPD when pulled over, only gives you the right to go to and from work ONLY. If you are caught, arrested, and prosecuted using it fraudulently, your commander can levy whatever administrative punishment he / she feels appropriate (within the DOD table of penalties or UCMJ) and if convicted of a crime, you could lose your security clearance and ultimately your job. Not worth it, just follow the rules for everyone's sake.
Nerd, wrong. Popo will stop you without probable cause or suspicion. Random, I was stopped just driving along my usual route to work. Showed my Mil I'd and dod letter and was good to go. Was reminded of 5 k fine and jail if violated.
NerdFriday
03-29-20, 18:20
Nerd, wrong. Popo will stop you without probable cause or suspicion. Random, I was stopped just driving along my usual route to work. Showed my Mil I'd and dod letter and was good to go. Was reminded of 5 k fine and jail if violated.I'm sure they can't do that. You were probably pulled over for a traffic infraction. Lots of people are speeding and running stop signs apparently. In fact, an official statement by HPD is that they are NOT pulling people over randomly and they are NOT requesting "proof" of travel.
Also, the fine is not 5 k and jail, it's "up to 5 k, or jail, or both". My friend got pulled over in Waikiki and got a ticket for $1,000. $500 for each adult passenger in excess of 1. Because there were 3 adults in the car, it was enough for a Terry stop.
FleshPrince
03-29-20, 21:34
https://www.pensford.com/why-flattening-the-curve-is-overrated/?fbclid=IwAR3oAnoMaLSsWsm2Va2T_1Ybxej2dG81TFNM0KKJa-YMhIcSN-hLlq5Ue3IDo you think that all of his conclusive opinions are valid?
Do you think that all of his conclusive opinions are valid?You're not going to kill the virus. It will always be here mutating away. You can read some rebuttles as there are, but he has a point.
TheSpius19
03-29-20, 23:31
Zero deaths in Hawaii still.
I can tell you swallow lots of CNN.
Just waiting for the zombies apocalypse.
Snowflake. 😉.167 in Hawaii now, MAGAMAGAMAGA.
But it's "just one guy coming over from China. " I'm sure "it'll be down to zero in no time. ".
You trolls aren't amusing anymore. You're dangerously stupid.
Oh, yeah. And I'm a lifetime Republican, Army combat vet with tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. So yeah, sure. I'm a snowflake.
Meanwhile you've got your head buried so deeply in the sand that I'm praying for your family because your idiocy is going to put them in the hospital.
FleshPrince
03-30-20, 00:38
https://www.pensford.com/why-flattening-the-curve-is-overrated/?fbclid=IwAR3oAnoMaLSsWsm2Va2T_1Ybxej2dG81TFNM0KKJa-YMhIcSN-hLlq5Ue3IThe writer says that until he is convinced that the probability of mortality is outside the normal realm of expected pandemic outcomes, he thinks that the measures taken are an overreaction. In other words he would rather take his chances and advocates business as usual because the economic loss is too great.
I have two issues with that logic. One, by the time he is convinced the pandemic outcome is worse than "normal", it would be too late to take mitigating steps. It would mean that the death total and rate would have exceeded historical pandemics to the extent that he is finally convinced. What would be the chances of stopping the outbreak at that point? Slim to none?
Two, since the covid19 mortality rate is extremely weighted towards the elderly and compromised, even if the overall rate is close to other pandemics, if no measures were taken and the virus was allowed to go unchecked thru the population, there would be a massively disproportionate amount of deaths of people in those categories.
In his final takeaways at the conclusion his article, he states that the potential deaths are part of life and that it could be his time or a loved one to die but that is normal and shouldn't be the reason for huge economic loss. That is a point for debate, but since he frequently referred to his Mom in the article and how she thinks he is being insensitive to the fact that his line of thinking would result in deaths, it struck me that his guy is pretty callous. Like someone else posted, you wonder how biased his opinions are, given that he is writing for a Pensford Financial newsletter.
Incogfilipino
03-30-20, 02:24
Only two states left that have not reported a death from this, Hawaii is one of them. That will probably change in the coming days.
As far as that article HiPickle posted, I would agree with FleshPrince that it is a rehash of a (very common) line of thinking that being freaked out about the virus is not worth the economic hardship. At this point though, with both Federal and State powers stepping in, there really isn't any choice right now but to wait for this thing to slow down and blow over. A lot of what we are going through is self inflicted, just think about people hoarding TP and other people having none right now. Tragedy of the commons situation. The economy is the same, with companies doing stock buybacks and not having money to pay employees, other situations. Even with the significant economic downturn, I think a temporary halt just to slow this down and get it to a manageable point is a good idea. Can't make money if everyone is sick and in hospitals and scared to go to work. The economy will recover fine from this, we were due for a correction anyway, but it's not like our resources got destroyed or we went bankrupt or whatever, people just don't want to get sick. Things will surge again once we are over the hump.
167 in Hawaii now, MAGAMAGAMAGA.
But it's "just one guy coming over from China. " I'm sure "it'll be down to zero in no time. ".
You trolls aren't amusing anymore. You're dangerously stupid.
Oh, yeah. And I'm a lifetime Republican, Army combat vet with tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. So yeah, sure. I'm a snowflake.
Meanwhile you've got your head buried so deeply in the sand that I'm praying for your family because your idiocy is going to put them in the hospital.Iraq and Afghanistan 23 years retired. Funny, you sound more like a snowflake to me. Also, as I mentioned I'm not out licking faces in public I'm home like I was in my RLB in KAF, all self quarantined. I'm simply posting my thoughts while you piss your panties in some unknown yet unreasonable rage at my post. 🤙. You must have been a fobbit. 🤣
Only two states left that have not reported a death from this, Hawaii is one of them. That will probably change in the coming days.
As far as that article HiPickle posted, I would agree with FleshPrince that it is a rehash of a (very common) line of thinking that being freaked out about the virus is not worth the economic hardship. At this point though, with both Federal and State powers stepping in, there really isn't any choice right now but to wait for this thing to slow down and blow over. A lot of what we are going through is self inflicted, just think about people hoarding TP and other people having none right now. Tragedy of the commons situation. The economy is the same, with companies doing stock buybacks and not having money to pay employees, other situations. Even with the significant economic downturn, I think a temporary halt just to slow this down and get it to a manageable point is a good idea. Can't make money if everyone is sick and in hospitals and scared to go to work. The economy will recover fine from this, we were due for a correction anyway, but it's not like our resources got destroyed or we went bankrupt or whatever, people just don't want to get sick. Things will surge again once we are over the hump.Probably a rehash, but it's contrary to the current media driven outlook. Yes. 30 April, 💯 quarantine, check the temperature of what it does. I'm ok with that. Somewhat. My thought is still overreaction. Quarantine is seperaring victim and potential victims from the population. That is, infected and those that would suffer most from infection. Not a broad 💯 everyone. Unless your "Essential". I have a feeling some of those essential workers may be subject to severe reaction should they contract the virus. There should actually be logic put into a true quarantine. This is more like a government driven virtue signal.
COVID-19 got everyone in fear. Fear of not getting the supplies or food they need at the store and into panic buying. Seniors sometimes miss out. Now the got special seniors hours at certain stores.
I was in one long ass line today at 7:45 AM. The grocery store opens at 8:00 AM. I was all the way in the back of the line. Second to last.
A young man came from the parking lot and tried to cut in the front of the line, but an old lady beat him back into the parking lot with her cane.
I took out my cellphone to film this.
The young man came back and tried to cut in the front of the line again. This time an old man punched him in the gut, then kicked him to the ground and rolled him back into the parking lot.
Beat up. The young man approached the line for the third time and said, "If you don't let me unlock the door and open the store you will never get in there by 8:00 AM.”
FleshPrince
03-30-20, 09:21
Probably a rehash, but it's contrary to the current media driven outlook. Yes. 30 April, 💯 quarantine, check the temperature of what it does. I'm ok with that. Somewhat. My thought is still overreaction. Quarantine is seperaring victim and potential victims from the population. That is, infected and those that would suffer most from infection. Not a broad 💯 everyone. Unless your "Essential". I have a feeling some of those essential workers may be subject to severe reaction should they contract the virus. There should actually be logic put into a true quarantine. This is more like a government driven virtue signal.I am curious- when you say "contrary to the current media driven outlook", what do you mean? That the media is driving the outlook that is causing the govt to react to? And that is driving what you see as an overreaction?
And more specifically, WHAT media are you referring to? Please clarify.
No need for bickering, arguing, debating, and verbosity. Those who are not convinced that the COVID 19 is not a hoax by the democrats; to use best practices of safety to protect your family and others; to follow the recommendation of esteemed epidemiologists; to obey the laws, to use common sense, etc. , then there is nothing anyone or anything can do to convince or help them. We're in this together (cliche) but some never learn or must, the hard way.
Additionally, there is the 'Like Beef Lolo?' thread to duke-it-out, if so desired. Mahalo.
PointDexterJr
03-30-20, 12:46
No need for bickering, arguing, debating, and verbosity. Those who are not convinced that the COVID 19 is not a hoax by the democrats; to use best practices of safety to protect your family and others; to follow the recommendation of esteemed epidemiologists; to obey the laws, to use common sense, etc. , then there is nothing anyone or anything can do to convince or help them. We're in this together (cliche) but some never learn or must, the hard way.
Additionally, there is the 'Like Beef Lolo?' thread to duke-it-out, if so desired. Mahalo.Bickering, arguing, debating. IS that not the purpose of this thread?
In addition to some info about Covid-19, there inevitably will be pontification by those that want to impart their expert analysis -.
All entertainment and comic relief for us to read, or to ignore and not read as we see fit!
COVID-19 got everyone in fear. Fear of not getting the supplies or food they need at the store and into panic buying. Seniors sometimes miss out. Now the got special seniors hours at certain stores.
I was in one long ass line today at 7:45 AM. The grocery store opens at 8:00 AM. I was all the way in the back of the line. Second to last.
A young man came from the parking lot and tried to cut in the front of the line, but an old lady beat him back into the parking lot with her cane.
I took out my cellphone to film this.
The young man came back and tried to cut in the front of the line again. This time an old man punched him in the gut, then kicked him to the ground and rolled him back into the parking lot.
Beat up. The young man approached the line for the third time and said, "If you don't let me unlock the door and open the store you will never get in there by 8:00 AM.Thank you for that laugh. Hook line and sinker for me.
WarriorForLife
03-30-20, 13:36
Agree, COVID 19 is spreading like a wild fire. Still some people think it is just a seasonal flu, taking it lightly. A healthy young bartender in Waikiki got infected and he is on life support. Now you wonder why the bars and restaurants are closed. Hawaii from zero infection to topping nearly 200 in just few weeks. US become the leader of the virus infection over taken China. President just extended the STAY HOME order till end of April. That show this virus is spreading as more tests are being done, more infections, NY is just a fucking mess, they topped over 1000 deaths and counting, sad. People need to wake up, COVID 19 is for real. Please be kind with each other to ride out the storm.
No need for bickering, arguing, debating, and verbosity. Those who are not convinced that the COVID 19 is not a hoax by the democrats; to use best practices of safety to protect your family and others; to follow the recommendation of esteemed epidemiologists; to obey the laws, to use common sense, etc. , then there is nothing anyone or anything can do to convince or help them. We're in this together (cliche) but some never learn or must, the hard way.
Additionally, there is the 'Like Beef Lolo?' thread to duke-it-out, if so desired. Mahalo.
http://covid19.healthdata.org/
I am curious- when you say "contrary to the current media driven outlook", what do you mean? That the media is driving the outlook that is causing the govt to react to? And that is driving what you see as an overreaction?
And more specifically, WHAT media are you referring to? Please clarify.Please tell me you are aware of the media penchant for hysteria. MSNBC Chris Hayes tweets, "there is no option to just let everyone go back out and go back to normal if a pandemic rages across the country and kills 50% of the population. " the network says it was a" misprint" later. Still damage done. I really don't need to feed you the obvious examples readily available. Why not debate the exceedingly imperfect quarantine of everyone except essential workers? It's like an edict preventing all drivers from driving to prevent drunk driving accidents. Except essential workers. Who may be driving drunk. 😏.
Bickering, arguing, debating. IS that not the purpose of this thread?
In addition to some info about Covid-19, there inevitably will be pontification by those that want to impart their expert analysis -.
All entertainment and comic relief for us to read, or to ignore and not read as we see fit!Some of us are more affected by this event than others. We got extra time to "waste" right here providing insight to some or to those who don't care, or think they've got everything figured out, an annoyance of verbose BS 🤣. I normally don't bother playing in the Lolo thread cause I don't care. However, I think discussion about this issue is worthy even if you don't like what you hear. Otherwise, why would the thread exist? I'd rather inport some good information about some awsome pussy, but I'm quarantined. 😉.
Dr. Vuong provides some good insights. Stay healthy fellas.
https://youtu.be/6LTNwFgndXM
Sit your ass at home. Can't monger if you have permanent lung fibrosis damage or dead.
Savannahhound
03-30-20, 15:54
Agree, COVID 19 is spreading like a wild fire. Still some people think it is just a seasonal flu, taking it lightly. A healthy young bartender in Waikiki got infected and he is on life support. Now you wonder why the bars and restaurants are closed. Hawaii from zero infection to topping nearly 200 in just few weeks. US become the leader of the virus infection over taken China. President just extended the STAY HOME order till end of April. That show this virus is spreading as more tests are being done, more infections, NY is just a fucking mess, they topped over 1000 deaths and counting, sad. People need to wake up, COVID 19 is for real. Please be kind with each other to ride out the storm.1000 deaths out of 11 million people. I mean really? No doubt with testing will show more cases, but compared to other "virus's" pretty weak except if you are elderly and sick already
NerdFriday
03-30-20, 16:34
Asked about this with our in house attorney and he stated that the current stay at home order by the state and C&C of Honolulu is considered to be probable cause if you are out and about on the road, as everyone not at home could be considered to be suspected of not following the law.
DOD I'd / CAC card holders need to be careful as well, because showing it to HPD when pulled over, only gives you the right to go to and from work ONLY. If you are caught, arrested, and prosecuted using it fraudulently, your commander can levy whatever administrative punishment he / she feels appropriate (within the DOD table of penalties or UCMJ) and if convicted of a crime, you could lose your security clearance and ultimately your job. Not worth it, just follow the rules for everyone's sake.He said "probable cause" is simply being "out and about on the road"? There's no way. MAYBE it's "reasonable suspicion", IF an officer sees multiple people in a car, and it's only reasonable suspicion because multiple people in a car is not necessarily an infraction. It's definitely probable cause if you commit a traffic violation. That last bit about "everyone not at home could be considered to be suspected of not following the law. " makes me really not believe you sought advice from an attorney, because that's not how the law works at all.
In fact, I have seen no state which currently has a stay-at-home orders in effect allowing stops of "random vehicles". It's all anecdotal evidence, probably from people who don't want to believe they committed a traffic infraction. Going 35 in a 25: "I wasn't doing anything! Why are you harassing me? Go watch some traffic stops on Youtube. LOL.
FleshPrince
03-30-20, 16:44
Please tell me you are aware of the media penchant for hysteria. MSNBC Chris Hayes tweets, "there is no option to just let everyone go back out and go back to normal if a pandemic rages across the country and kills 50% of the population. " the network says it was a" misprint" later. Still damage done. I really don't need to feed you the obvious examples readily available. Why not debate the exceedingly imperfect quarantine of everyone except essential workers? It's like an edict preventing all drivers from driving to prevent drunk driving accidents. Except essential workers. Who may be driving drunk. 😏.Just wanted to be clear where you were coming from by your comment. So it seems that you believe that left wing media is responsible for what you consider to be over reactive measures. I've seen the theories that the radical left media hype is causing the govt to enact measures that aren't necessary. With regard to the US, did you hear Trump say this morning that if he had conducted a policy of "business as usual" and took no measures, there may have been over 2 millions deaths by now? And so by implementing the measures taken, the death count is very low and he therefore saved over 2 million lives in the US?
If the media is responsible for driving the hype, and in turn the hype drove the virus outlook, which then drove the govt to enact the measures, then I guess you have to say that the media saved those 2 M lives. By the way, the Trump interview where he made that claim was on Fox News channel.
This article quotes Trump's claim.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/trump-says-keeping-us-covid-19-deaths-to-100000-would-be-a-very-good-job
Incogfilipino
03-30-20, 17:04
Probably a rehash, but it's contrary to the current media driven outlook. Yes. 30 April, 💯 quarantine, check the temperature of what it does. I'm ok with that. Somewhat. My thought is still overreaction. Quarantine is seperaring victim and potential victims from the population. That is, infected and those that would suffer most from infection. Not a broad 💯 everyone. Unless your "Essential". I have a feeling some of those essential workers may be subject to severe reaction should they contract the virus. There should actually be logic put into a true quarantine. This is more like a government driven virtue signal.I agree that some logic would have been nice, but we are way past that point here. What I mean is, yes, separation using logic is good, but what you are describing requires accurate knowledge of who is infected and who isn't. The testing in the US has been woefully inadequate and due to many issues, we can't ramp up as fast as a country like South Korea. It would have been great to test everyone and get things contained a few months ago, but this situation shows the flaws in our government at all levels with their response. It's past containment and more just mitigation. Politics and media aside, it's going to suck for a few weeks now no matter what, but this is basically all we can do at this point.
I think there is a lot of overreaction, but I also want to start traveling again and I'm staying my ass home for now and hoping everyone else does too just so shit can get back to normal.
Politics and media aside, it's going to suck for a few weeks now no matter what, but this is basically all we can do at this point. I think there is a lot of overreaction, but I also want to start traveling again and I'm staying my ass home for now and hoping everyone else does too just so shit can get back to normal.You have good points. But we all know that the virus sets the timeline and it is a mysterious, illogical new danger (probably a bad hybrid of past influenzas). Better to overreact than realizing later that we should have done more.
WarriorForLife
03-30-20, 18:43
As time goes more people will be infected and more deaths will be registered, because of there are people out there still taking the virus lightly. China seem like is out of the wood after months long of isolation. US overtaken China as the most infected nation in the world, and the health experts said US isn't at the peak level yet. Dude, you need to wake up, this virus is for real.
1000 deaths out of 11 million people. I mean really? No doubt with testing will show more cases, but compared to other "virus's" pretty weak except if you are elderly and sick already.
1000 deaths out of 11 million people. I mean really? No doubt with testing will show more cases, but compared to other "virus's" pretty weak except if you are elderly and sick alreadyBased on Italy's numbers their death rate is close to 5%. There's no immunity to this because it is the new SARS COVID 2 virus. If you get it, you're going to get sick. Eighty percent of the people who get it will have a mild attack (meaning you won't have to to go to the hospital). Of the 20 percent who require hospitalization, half of those will have to go on a respirator. We don't have that many respirators. At that point doctors will have to decide who gets a respirator who dies of pneumonia. If you recover from the COVID19 induced pneumonia, your lungs may be permanently fucked up (meaning you're carrying an oxygen tank with you for the rest of your life).
Those with the following conditions probably will need hospitalization: smokers, asthmatics, diabetics, People with high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer survivors, those with immunity disorders, sleep apnea, and those who are morbidly obese. That's a shit ton of people. In Korea they found out that many who did not exhibit symptoms of COVID19 were still testing positive (so they were spreading it to grandma and grandpa). Our local economy is going to be royal fucked no matter what happens. Get used to hard times ahead.
US overtaken China as the most infected nation in the world, and the health experts said US isn't at the peak level yet. Dude, you need to wake up, this virus is for real.Prep for quarantine past April 30; more like June 30 based on current data and timelines. No mess with this thing.
TheSpius19
03-30-20, 22:48
Iraq and Afghanistan 23 years retired. Funny, you sound more like a snowflake to me. Also, as I mentioned I'm not out licking faces in public I'm home like I was in my RLB in KAF, all self quarantined. I'm simply posting my thoughts while you piss your panties in some unknown yet unreasonable rage at my post. 🤙. You must have been a fobbit. 🤣Nah, rabbit. I just actually served.
And KAF is no BAF.
pfft. Fobbit. Lotsa fobbits outta the 75th. GTFOOH
I did ask an attorney and it could just be me not using the right terminology when I drafted the post, as I am human and not a legal expert by any means (and yes, in the legal world, one word can make a huge difference regarding context and intent). I was just trying to contribute with good intentions to the discussion. However, a co-worker of mine did get stopped at 1 am Saturday going home from work and it was a random stop. He was legit so the cop was cool and told him to drive safe and that was the end of that.
However, if Oahu were to set up checkpoints like Kauai did for curfew compliance and for sobriety checks, I would assume that would be considered legal (not stating a fact, just thinking out loud)? Lots of finger pointing at non residents not following the 14 day quarantine or just the fact that they came here to begin with, yet we locals are probably worse, as a lot of the residents that came back didn't have to (and could've stayed put where they were) and I personally know of three people who are not adhering to the mandatory quarantine, as they just came in over the weekend and are already out and about (to include their family members who live with them, who are also required to undergo the quarantine as well).
Funny how we all used to be so nice to each other and help out one another with provider information just a few weeks ago. To me it is simple, if you are out and about for legitimate reasons, then it's all good. If you are not following the rules and get caught, then you should suffer whatever consequence comes your way, plain and simple, as we are all adults here and should be leading by example. $5000 buys an awful lot of happy endings. LOL.
To me, we all just need to work together to nip this thing in the butt so that life can go back to normal ASAP IMHO. Especially so that folks can get back to work and take care of their families.
He said "probable cause" is simply being "out and about on the road"? There's no way. MAYBE it's "reasonable suspicion", IF an officer sees multiple people in a car, and it's only reasonable suspicion because multiple people in a car is not necessarily an infraction. It's definitely probable cause if you commit a traffic violation. That last bit about "everyone not at home could be considered to be suspected of not following the law. " makes me really not believe you sought advice from an attorney, because that's not how the law works at all.
In fact, I have seen no state which currently has a stay-at-home orders in effect allowing stops of "random vehicles". It's all anecdotal evidence, probably from people who don't want to believe they committed a traffic infraction. Going 35 in a 25: "I wasn't doing anything! Why are you harassing me? Go watch some traffic stops on Youtube. LOL.
CovidNotPicky7
03-30-20, 23:37
I can just imagine the amount of workers that have been laid off or soon to be laid off but company insurance provided should be sufficient hopefully enough. For those that work on a cash basis, under the table, don't file taxes, drive with no car insurance or drivers license, when this virus strikes its not picky who gets infected. Your cash (bankroll) will suffer if you get the virus as hospitals will take patients that have medical insurance first. If your not in this category good for you. Free service maybe?
AmpAddict808
03-31-20, 00:27
As time goes more people will be infected and more deaths will be registered, because of there are people out there still taking the virus lightly. China seem like is out of the wood after months long of isolation. US overtaken China as the most infected nation in the world, and the health experts said US isn't at the peak level yet. Dude, you need to wake up, this virus is for real.
.Can't trust what China reports. The US has a population of 330 million, currently has 163,000 cases with 3,100 deaths. Italy with a population of 60 million (1/5 of the US), has 101,000 cases with 11,000 deaths. If the US followed Italy's ratios, then there would have been around 50,000 deaths by now. China has a population of 1.4 billion (over 4 times the US and over 20 times Italy's) yet report only 81,000 cases with 3,300 deaths. With crowded living conditions and healthcare availability in China, I'd say their ratio would be closer to Italy's (multiplied by 20). They are definitely under-reporting by a lot.
CoffeeLatte
03-31-20, 01:16
Okay, we can all agree that this COVID-19 is not going away anytime soon. And we can all agree that the AMPs WILL REOPEN until this infectious disease is OVER. So do any of you guys have any of the providers mobile or and phone numbers? I really need to bang a hot girl. Preferably, Nara, Linda, Nicole, or and any of the ALL-STARS. Much MAHALO. I do not have COVID-19. Please I need to bang a hot girl.
Incogfilipino
03-31-20, 03:21
You have good points. But we all know that the virus sets the timeline and it is a mysterious, illogical new danger (probably a bad hybrid of past influenzas). Better to overreact than realizing later that we should have done more.I'm referring to overreaction as far as hoarding TP and that kine stuff. The lock down is basically the result of people continuing to be pilau and stupid, spreading the virus everywhere.
The public defender recommended 426 inmates for release (facing the C-19 outbreak) due to overpopulation in jails; submitted to the HSCourt. For those ex-cons who when already serve time in jail, you know: (1) these guys going recruit kids for establish gangs; (2) recruit the wannabees to commit felonies (robbery, drug dealing, gambling, scams, looting, etc.); (3) they have access to weapons and ammo; (4) they still desperate, dangerous, and horny (not only them). Who going check up on them? Of course, the ACLU stay like this. Let them stay inside and make face masks from SP.
Releasing these buggahs ain't going to prevent the C-19 outbreak from advancing; in fact, going increase the danger to public safety, health, and juvenile crime.
Based on Italy's numbers their death rate is close to 5%. There's no immunity to this because it is the new SARS COVID 2 virus. If you get it, you're going to get sick. Eighty percent of the people who get it will have a mild attack (meaning you won't have to to go to the hospital). Of the 20 percent who require hospitalization, half of those will have to go on a respirator. We don't have that many respirators. At that point doctors will have to decide who gets a respirator who dies of pneumonia. If you recover from the COVID19 induced pneumonia, your lungs may be permanently fucked up (meaning you're carrying an oxygen tank with you for the rest of your life).
Those with the following conditions probably will need hospitalization: smokers, asthmatics, diabetics, People with high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer survivors, those with immunity disorders, sleep apnea, and those who are morbidly obese. That's a shit ton of people. In Korea they found out that many who did not exhibit symptoms of COVID19 were still testing positive (so they were spreading it to grandma and grandpa). Our local economy is going to be royal fucked no matter what happens. Get used to hard times ahead.I concur, look at these projections for HI below, we'll run out of ICU beds and ventilator in a couple of weeks. Stay safe, stay well, so you can hobby another day.
http://covid19.healthdata.org/
Okay, we can all agree that this COVID-19 is not going away anytime soon. And we can all agree that the AMPs WILL REOPEN until this infectious disease is OVER. So do any of you guys have any of the providers mobile or and phone numbers? I really need to bang a hot girl. Preferably, Nara, Linda, Nicole, or and any of the ALL-STARS. Much MAHALO. I do not have COVID-19. Please I need to bang a hot girl.We all want to bang a hot girl, and none of us are going to be able to do that until at least June. We can use porn hub, onlyfans, or cam models in the meantime. A few escorts sent me email newsletters offering FaceTime video chat encounters for 200. I'll pass. Pornhub is free. All we can do is hunker down and go through the withdrawals. Not worth the risk anyway. You might not have it, but they might.
The public defender recommended 426 inmates for release (facing the C-19 outbreak) due to overpopulation in jails; submitted to the HSCourt. For those ex-cons who when already serve time in jail, you know: (1) these guys going recruit kids for establish gangs; (2) recruit the wannabees to commit felonies (robbery, drug dealing, gambling, scams, looting, etc.); (3) they have access to weapons and ammo; (4) they still desperate, dangerous, and horny (not only them). Who going check up on them? Of course, the ACLU stay like this. Let them stay inside and make face masks from SP.
Releasing these buggahs ain't going to prevent the C-19 outbreak from advancing; in fact, going increase the danger to public safety, health, and juvenile crime.Unreal times we going through. Won't be surprised on the next stupid idiotic idea to come along. Well, at least they won't be robbing tourists at gunpoint cause ain't going have none around. Guess they'll instead.
Hit costco / don quijote parking lots or go house to house. AT GUNPOINT!! Damn, saw on the news that guns and ammo are selling strong at the gun shops.
Lopaka Smith
03-31-20, 19:28
So I'm in the class of essential worker. Fortunately I still have 40 + hours a week and due to some of this BS sometime more.
Friday evening I actually got home early, did some yard work, chatting with the neighbors while practicing "social distancing" and finally got to light up a nice Cigar.
Got out my tools and started my work on a long overdue project. At least I got some of it done before the rain came. I'll get it done eventually.
Saturday was better. At least with the whole social distancing nobody stops by and bothers me to see what I'm doing now.
I can work in peace and be a grumpy old man. Or at least act like one.
All my friends with stalled hot rod projects are actually working on them now that they have time to work on them. No excuses. They are actually stuck at home.
With the exception of "ho because, you get one engine hoist I can borrow". I bring you beer.
Hell I don't even drink beer. Bring me Scotch! And don't lick the bottle!
Let's see how many old guys get their cars running and how many young guys knock up their old ladies.
PowerTrip2
03-31-20, 19:34
Zero deaths in Hawaii still.
I can tell you swallow lots of CNN.
Just waiting for the zombies apocalypse.
Snowflake.First death reported today. America also leading number of coronavirus cases by a wide margin (187,000) and not showing any signs of slowing down as we haven't even peaked yet. 500 deaths yesterday, 700+ today, total exceeding 3,800. The death total is projected to hit somewhere around 100,000 and that is with the social distancing and staying at home. The coronavirus quarantine is all overreacting and panic until it isn't.
DivineComedy
03-31-20, 23:25
So I'm in the class of essential worker. Fortunately I still have 40 + hours a week and due to some of this BS sometime more.
Friday evening I actually got home early, did some yard work, chatting with the neighbors while practicing "social distancing" and finally got to light up a nice Cigar.
Got out my tools and started my work on a long overdue project. At least I got some of it done before the rain came. I'll get it done eventually.
Saturday was better. At least with the whole social distancing nobody stops by and bothers me to see what I'm doing now.
I can work in peace and be a grumpy old man. Or at least act like one.
All my friends with stalled hot rod projects are actually working on them now that they have time to work on them. No excuses. They are actually stuck at home.
With the exception of "ho because, you get one engine hoist I can borrow". I bring you beer.
Hell I don't even drink beer. Bring me Scotch! And don't lick the bottle!
Let's see how many old guys get their cars running and how many young guys knock up their old ladies.https://youtu.be/sBXZCZy3E-0
Thank you for that laugh. Hook line and sinker for me.We need more of that LOL.
Really!! Brahhhh, you guys got to just stay home and whack off! Fahk, you really want to risk getting this shit and put yourself in a case where you could Die? Fahkin Really! And catch this shit at a massage place, then pass it on to fellow mongers! Thank you! Dumb asss! Just Fahkin watch pornhub and whack off for 3 months! Peace out!
First death reported today. America also leading number of coronavirus cases by a wide margin (187,000) and not showing any signs of slowing down as we haven't even peaked yet. 500 deaths yesterday, 700+ today, total exceeding 3,800. The death total is projected to hit somewhere around 100,000 and that is with the social distancing and staying at home. The coronavirus quarantine is all overreacting and panic until it isn't.If you think tp hoarding isn't overreacting, I don't know what to say. Sure, more infected results to come, because we're testing more. I'm sure many more have it or had it.
I found out my brother tested positive for COVID-19 today. Just called him to get the low down. He's a smoker. Not anymore.
His lungs felt like they were on fire. He never needed a ventilator, was just told to go home and given Ibuprofen etc. He believes he got it from his daughters who were all sick with the flu, but now fine. Also, believes, as I do, that this virus has been here longer than advertised. Now, it's finally gotten a name. Just like the flu, it's not going anywhere and probably everyone will catch it, like you caught the flu because it's not going anywhere. I also know that they are calling deaths from COVID-19 when it's NOT what caused the death. Pumping up those numbers why?
FleshPrince
04-01-20, 04:23
If you think tp hoarding isn't overreacting, I don't know what to say. Sure, more infected results to come, because we're testing more. I'm sure many more have it or had it.
I found out my brother tested positive for COVID-19 today. Just called him to get the low down. He's a smoker. Not anymore.
His lungs felt like they were on fire. He never needed a ventilator, was just told to go home and given Ibuprofen etc. He believes he got it from his daughters who were all sick with the flu, but now fine. Also, believes, as I do, that this virus has been here longer than advertised. Now, it's finally gotten a name. Just like the flu, it's not going anywhere and probably everyone will catch it, like you caught the flu because it's not going anywhere. I also know that they are calling deaths from COVID-19 when it's NOT what caused the death. Pumping up those numbers why?First, let me say that I am sorry to hear about your brother. The covid isn't something to wish upon anyone. Hope he recovers soon.
Second, to your comment, what is YOUR opinion on why the death numbers would be artifically pumped up? Who would stand to benefit from that? And who would be behind the exaggeration of the numbers? I'm not seeing that would help anyone.
PowerTrip2
04-01-20, 05:14
If you think tp hoarding isn't overreacting, I don't know what to say. Sure, more infected results to come, because we're testing more. I'm sure many more have it or had it.
I found out my brother tested positive for COVID-19 today. Just called him to get the low down. He's a smoker. Not anymore.
His lungs felt like they were on fire. He never needed a ventilator, was just told to go home and given Ibuprofen etc. He believes he got it from his daughters who were all sick with the flu, but now fine. Also, believes, as I do, that this virus has been here longer than advertised. Now, it's finally gotten a name. Just like the flu, it's not going anywhere and probably everyone will catch it, like you caught the flu because it's not going anywhere. I also know that they are calling deaths from COVID-19 when it's NOT what caused the death. Pumping up those numbers why?Well here's to hoping your brother dies. Maybe he can be added to the pumped up numbers even though he clearly killed himself by smoking.
Of course I have family in this age group. I Still believe the same. H1 N1 had over 60.8 million infected within the US in 1 year span. We are at 3 months, now for this strain and at 15 k infections. Yes, that number will rise because more people are being tested. My point is this hysteria of closing business is stupid. Some people want our economy to tank. Those are the ones hyping this up. Social distancing? No problem. Wash hands and be mindful of your environment, no problem. Closing a business, absolutely stupid.That's funny, cause that's not what you were saying previously. You were talking about the severe yet necessary actions of closing businesses being stupid. That they are doing it purely because they want our economy to tank?
I think the hysteria is stupid. 98% survival rate. If I were over 70, had immune deficiencies and out and about, I'd probably be concerned cause that who is at serious risk.
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/?fbclid=IwAR0b2BzvWboYOM9BHeJ-90d88kUfQPjXb_Y3HaoLSnUayxfD7JOKziUKrlc#https://techstartups.com/2020/03/12/mit-biologist-says-fear-mongering-coronavirus-will-go-biggest-fraud-manipulate-economies/?fbclid=IwAR0b2BzvWboYOM9BHeJ-90d88kUfQPjXb_Y3HaoLSnUayxfD7JOKziUKrlcDon't worry, coronavirus has a 98% survival rate. Only old people on their last legs are going to die right? Who gives a fuck about anyone else that may be at risk.
I'm saying it should not be a government mandated shut down. Some, places like bars or close confinement, ok, maybe. Beaches? WTF how close you get to others at the park? Sorry I think It's stupid.Yeah, the government is just shutting shit down for shits and giggles. Obviously this disease can only spread in bars and alike, they could never catch it at a beach or park where people tend to gather.
If you think tp hoarding isn't overreacting, I don't know what to say. Sure, more infected results to come, because we're testing more. I'm sure many more have it or had it.
I found out my brother tested positive for COVID-19 today. Just called him to get the low down. He's a smoker. Not anymore.
His lungs felt like they were on fire. He never needed a ventilator, was just told to go home and given Ibuprofen etc. He believes he got it from his daughters who were all sick with the flu, but now fine. Also, believes, as I do, that this virus has been here longer than advertised. Now, it's finally gotten a name. Just like the flu, it's not going anywhere and probably everyone will catch it, like you caught the flu because it's not going anywhere. I also know that they are calling deaths from COVID-19 when it's NOT what caused the death. Pumping up those numbers why?Pickle,
I'm also sad to hear the news about your brother. I hope he pulls out of his illness. Too many people getting COVID19. We have to be careful guys. That shit is real and dangerous. It will eventually go away, but we guys have to be patient and just hang out at home. I wouldn't want to be the guy getting this shit or unknowingly giving it others. Be careful out there.
Really!! Brahhhh, you guys got to just stay home and whack off!Wit approximately 150,000+ people unemployed in Hawaii and 425+ prison inmates possibly released, mo bettah and safer for stay home. But some like to learn the hard way (like 'bend over') before dey can start to learn and hopefully understand the (still) theoretical transmission of this virus and its multitude of consequences. The 'whack off' part may be familiar.
First, let me say that I am sorry to hear about your brother. The covid isn't something to wish upon anyone. Hope he recovers soon.
Second, to your comment, what is YOUR opinion on why the death numbers would be artifically pumped up? Who would stand to benefit from that? And who would be behind the exaggeration of the numbers? I'm not seeing that would help anyone.Pumping up numbers? Good question, which is why I asked. Exaggeration can help for making a point, sway public opinion, getting funding, let your imagination guide you. Whatever the reason, it ain't right.
Pumping up numbers? Good question, which is why I asked. Exaggeration can help for making a point, sway public opinion, getting funding, let your imagination guide you. Whatever the reason, it ain't right.Here's a good example of false reporting. The elderly gentleman that just died had multiple health issues. AFTER he died, they tested him and found he was infected. It wasn't the virus that killed him but the health issues.
Here's a good example of false reporting. The elderly gentleman that just died had multiple health issues. AFTER he died, they tested him and found he was infected. It wasn't the virus that killed him but the health issues.He just recently died and tested after his death. Wow, how did they get the test results so fast?
FleshPrince
04-01-20, 16:20
Here's a good example of false reporting. The elderly gentleman that just died had multiple health issues. AFTER he died, they tested him and found he was infected. It wasn't the virus that killed him but the health issues.I don't think it's fair to say that is false reporting. The covid clearly threatens the lives of people who have other underlying health conditions who may otherwise NOT be in a life threatening position. One need only look at mainland hospitals that are being overwhelmed by patients with severe covid cases. Even if many of those patients have underlying health conditions, it clearly is the covid that is causing them to be hospitalized. The hospitals are not normally OVERWHELMED with people in dire life conditions solely caused by other health conditions. And so if those with other health conditions and covid were to perish, is it fair to say that they would have died anyway, even without the covid complicating their health issues? Probably not.
Can someone explain to me why would Media, Doctors, Trump exaggerate or over react with Coronavirus? I would think they would rather hide info like China did so people don't panic. I for one don't think anyone is false reporting anything or over reacting for example if they were false reporting why would they correct the 1st report of someone dying from virus so numbers would be 2 dead while only 1 died from virus. Another one is Trump you guy know he is taking credit for making the Dow as high as it was and you think he over reacting so he can make dow go down and make everyone lose a lot of $$ on there 401 k on a election year? Come on guys.
I don't think it's fair to say that is false reporting. The covid clearly threatens the lives of people who have other underlying health conditions who may otherwise NOT be in a life threatening position. One need only look at mainland hospitals that are being overwhelmed by patients with severe covid cases. Even if many of those patients have underlying health conditions, it clearly is the covid that is causing them to be hospitalized. The hospitals are not normally OVERWHELMED with people in dire life conditions solely caused by other health conditions. And so if those with other health conditions and covid were to perish, is it fair to say that they would have died anyway, even without the covid complicating their health issues? Probably not.That's just it. There are no mainland hospitals overwhelmed yet. Just saw Cuomo showing off tons of empty beds. Yeah, they are preparing for the worst. Like an Italy. It's not happened yet. The media showing video of an Overwhelmed Italian Hospital passing it off as a New York hospital however keep people on hysteria mode though. 😉.
That's just it. There are no mainland hospitals overwhelmed yet. Just saw Cuomo showing off tons of empty beds. Yeah, they are preparing for the worst. Like an Italy. It's not happened yet. The media showing video of an Overwhelmed Italian Hospital passing it off as a New York hospital however keep people on hysteria mode though.The empty beds are of a field hospital just put up to take patents that had the virus and are recovering but don't to be in a hospital but still need care. New York city has 45,000 confirmed cases of the virus and the last count was over 3000 dead from it. It is real on the mainland and I hope it does not get that bad in Hawaii social distancing is important is is helping to slow the spread on the mainland. Everybody stay safe.
FleshPrince
04-01-20, 21:21
That's just it. There are no mainland hospitals overwhelmed yet. Just saw Cuomo showing off tons of empty beds. Yeah, they are preparing for the worst. Like an Italy. It's not happened yet. The media showing video of an Overwhelmed Italian Hospital passing it off as a New York hospital however keep people on hysteria mode though. 😉.Really? Where did you see the Italian hospital being portrayed as an American one? That's a conspiracy theory I haven't heard yet.
As for Cuomo showing a hospital with many open beds, which hospital was it? That's a little hard to believe. Unless, one is to believe that all the doctors, nurses, govt officials, Trump task force members, that have been interviewed on Fox News and other networks were lying to deceive the American public when they said that hospitals are overwhelmed and help is needed to treat the existing patients as well as more equipment is needed. Are they are all part of one big conspiracy to fool Americans into thinking that the covid virus is an enormous threat to human life in the states?
You would have to explain why all those professionals are engaging in such a conspiracy, because I'm just not getting it. Please tell me you have solid reasons for floating such an inconceivable theory.
WarriorForLife
04-01-20, 21:57
Heard the state caught some homeless flown from the mainland to Hawaii. How they come up with the money to pay for the trip?
Better stop this mainland homeless to Hawaii pipeline soon, or we will see our streets and parks flooded with more tents.
Really? Where did you see the Italian hospital being portrayed as an American one? That's a conspiracy theory I haven't heard yet.
As for Cuomo showing a hospital with many open beds, which hospital was it? That's a little hard to believe. Unless, one is to believe that all the doctors, nurses, govt officials, Trump task force members, that have been interviewed on Fox News and other networks were lying to deceive the American public when they said that hospitals are overwhelmed and help is needed to treat the existing patients as well as more equipment is needed. Are they are all part of one big conspiracy to fool Americans into thinking that the covid virus is an enormous threat to human life in the states?
You would have to explain why all those professionals are engaging in such a conspiracy, because I'm just not getting it. Please tell me you have solid reasons for floating such an inconceivable theory.A lot goes on besides what the main stream media offers. Not all of it conspiracy theories.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cbs-news-blames-editing-mistake-after-footage-from-italian-hospital-appears-in-report-on-new-york-coronavirus-crisis
Like ABCs "editing" error when they showed a firing range in Kentucky as a "Slaughter in Syria. 😏. Remember that?
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/15/abc-news-tries-to-pass-off-video-of-kentucky-gun-range-as-slaughter-in-syria/
Fox News is part of the mainstream. Not as worthless as the other networks, but they're still there to capture an audience while using bloated headlines.
Don't follow the crowd.
Trish Regan is hot. Too bad she got fired from FOX News for telling the truth. Here is what got her fired.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trish-regan-says-coronavirus-is-an-impeachment-scam-against-trump-all-over-again-trying-to-demonize-and-destroy-the-president/
FleshPrince
04-02-20, 00:04
A lot goes on besides what the main stream media offers. Not all of it conspiracy theories.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cbs-news-blames-editing-mistake-after-footage-from-italian-hospital-appears-in-report-on-new-york-coronavirus-crisis
Like ABCs "editing" error when they showed a firing range in Kentucky as a "Slaughter in Syria. 😏. Remember that?
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/15/abc-news-tries-to-pass-off-video-of-kentucky-gun-range-as-slaughter-in-syria/
Fox News is part of the mainstream. Not as worthless as the other networks, but they're still there to capture an audience while using bloated headlines.
Don't follow the crowd.Okay, I'll give you the Italian hospital blunder. But you still haven't explained why in the heck all the medical professionals including Trump's task force and Trump himself are implementing such drastic measures to head off the virus, knowing that the measures will knock the US economy for a loop for awhile (if it is all hype and hysteria as you stated).
Are they buying into media's "hysteria", as you put it? That seems implausible. So I'm still waiting for your explanation that shines the light on why the aggressive actions are being taken and why the US is about to spend trillions when it doesn't need to. If it's all hype anyway, as you have stated. I still remain mystified at the logic or lack thereof. Look forward to your enlightening thoughts.
Okay, I'll give you the Italian hospital blunder. But you still haven't explained why in the heck all the medical professionals including Trump's task force and Trump himself are implementing such drastic measures to head off the virus, knowing that the measures will knock the US economy for a loop for awhile (if it is all hype and hysteria as you stated).
Are they buying into media's "hysteria", as you put it? That seems implausible. So I'm still waiting for your explanation that shines the light on why the aggressive actions are being taken and why the US is about to spend trillions when it doesn't need to. If it's all hype anyway, as you have stated. I still remain mystified at the logic or lack thereof. Look forward to your enlightening thoughts.What's with the blanket statement? I'm not saying "it's all hype". I'm saying there is too much hype. If it doesn't follow you're logic, there isn't any? I gave you an example of hype, also of MSNBCs Hayes tweet of 50% deaths. I'm not going to internet search everything for you, you can do it. Enlighten yourself. Those are some examples of media hype. Why haven't you heard about them? If it's news to you, maybe you're not looking beyond what you want to hear. I understand you'd rather play me off as a tin foil hat loon. I don't care, go with it. Suppose we'll have a better idea in time.
FleshPrince
04-02-20, 02:46
What's with the blanket statement? I'm not saying "it's all hype". I'm saying there is too much hype. If it doesn't follow you're logic, there isn't any? I gave you an example of hype, also of MSNBCs Hayes tweet of 50% deaths. I'm not going to internet search everything for you, you can do it. Enlighten yourself. Those are some examples of media hype. Why haven't you heard about them? If it's news to you, maybe you're not looking beyond what you want to hear. I understand you'd rather play me off as a tin foil hat loon. I don't care, go with it. Suppose we'll have a better idea in time.Just to be clear (thought I WAS being clear), I'm not asking for examples of media hype or hysteria. I'm asking for your opinion on why govt officials are taking such drastic measures to head off the covid virus. You previously stated that in your opinion, the measures are an overreaction. You also said that there is too much media hype surrounding the virus, implying that the hype has led to the overreaction and thus the drastic measures implemented by govt.
So my question is: why do you think the govt (including the president of the USA) is taking such drastic measures if it is obvious that they will damage the economy for awhile? Are you of the opinion that it's because the govt has bought into the hysteria (your word) and is being duped by it?
Just to be clear (thought I WAS being clear), I'm not asking for examples of media hype or hysteria. I'm asking for your opinion on why govt officials are taking such drastic measures to head off the covid virus. You previously stated that in your opinion, the measures are an overreaction. You also said that there is too much media hype surrounding the virus, implying that the hype has led to the overreaction and thus the drastic measures implemented by govt.
So my question is: why do you think the govt (including the president of the USA) is taking such drastic measures if it is obvious that they will damage the economy for awhile? Are you of the opinion that it's because the govt has bought into the hysteria (your word) and is being duped by it?Worst case scenario event positioning. Good and bad.
Here's another thought provoking article to consider.
https://medium.com/@wpegden/a-call-to-honesty-in-pandemic-modeling-5c156686a64b
Mathematician critical of current modeling. I don't think he even touches on Farr's Law, another thing you can look up.
". If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0. 1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively. ".
Found here.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
FleshPrince
04-02-20, 05:30
Worst case scenario event positioning. Good and bad.
Here's another thought provoking article to consider.
https://medium.com/@wpegden/a-call-to-honesty-in-pandemic-modeling-5c156686a64b
Mathematician critical of current modeling. I don't think he even touches on Farr's Law, another thing you can look up.Now we're getting somewhere. The UNKNOWN- worst case scenario event positioning. Yes, I believe that is correct. So Fauci and co. Advise the White House of their recommendations based on their own modeling as well as consulting with other experts in their field, I would imagine. I don't think Fauci and Birx would be so arrogant and foolish, frankly, as to disregard all other "expert" opinions and assert to Trump that there can only be one answer (their own). I would think they present Trump with several scenarios, with possibly low, medium or high fatality risk and make suggestions to mitigate the risk for each level. Then I'm guessing Trump discusses the options with the task force and other officials and chooses which route to take, considering economic fallout, death rates, political risks and so on.
The problem is, no one knows for sure how the damn thing is going to proceed and so everyone is making their best guess. So it's easy to sit on the sidelines and take shots at whether the models are incorrect or not. No one knows til they know. But at the end of the day, the question is: would you rather be perceived as overreactive and have saved lives or take minimal action and end up with a lot of deaths if you're wrong. I would hope that the govt is doing what it thinks is best for the people, considering all factors.
So the issue of whether the media hysteria is overblown or not doesn't really matter, does it? Now if the govt was being duped by the media (assuming the hype is overblown) and making decisions based on such media hype, then that's another story. But I don't think the govt is that gullible even if the media IS overhyping stuff. And it doesn't seem like you believe the govt is that gullible either, since you said the reason for the aggressive measures was because of worst case scenario positioning, not media hype. So in conclusion, who cares if the media is blowing smoke because it doesn't matter. The govt is making its decisions based on more tangible factors and outcomes presented by its team of experts and own internal discussions (I hope anyway).
The title says it all. Modeling is based on the numbers provided by each country as well as the date if was announced. I would deduct from recent media reporting that both the numbers and the date the pandemic started are skewed by a government with a population of 1.4 billion, and one that's willing to sacrifice a few million to remain in power. A lot of media reporting is now suggesting the numbers the CCP provided are not accurate, by some accounts by a factor of four. This can be supported by the PRCs own admission that they were not counting the asymptomatic patients, but now will begin to. Also, modeling is using Dec 1 as the start date, which is also inaccurate. A large body of media reporting suggests the PRC was aware of the virus as far back as November. That's a potential 30 day head start of a highly contagious virus to do what it only knows how to do, spread and infect. So unless you use accurate numbers and dates, all modeling is going to be off, by a lot. My personal opinion is that states like Seattle and New York who have a large influx of travelers were infected way before they were aware of it. I expect to see these states will figure out that high risk patients who died of complications will have to be looked at and maybe even tested. This could reveal that the virus was in the US far before any current modeling. If history of PRC not being forthcoming with vital information is any indicator of current events, the PRC withheld this information in hopes it could contain it within its borders. Once it realized it was not going to be able to do so, it notified the WHO and put everything in motion, including the misinformation and propaganda to keep from accepting blame for not reporting in earlier or reporting accurate numbers. As a note, I am using PRC and not China or Chinese people. I don't blame the people for their governments actions and hold no ill will to Chinese people. Heck they are more a victim in this than we are.
What's with the blanket statement? I'm not saying "it's all hype". I'm saying there is too much hype. If it doesn't follow you're logic, there isn't any? I gave you an example of hype, also of MSNBCs Hayes tweet of 50% deaths. I'm not going to internet search everything for you, you can do it. Enlighten yourself. Those are some examples of media hype. Why haven't you heard about them? If it's news to you, maybe you're not looking beyond what you want to hear. I understand you'd rather play me off as a tin foil hat loon. I don't care, go with it. Suppose we'll have a better idea in time.Reality is much worst than what's being reported, the information is out there if you look for it from objective sources. Social media is not news, and Fox News is not news but mostly commentary and opinions.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/04/covid-19s-death-toll-appears-higher-than-official-figures-suggest
https://www.france24.com/en/20200331-stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-raise-doubts-about-china-s-official-virus-toll
Reality is much worst than what's being reported, the information is out there if you look for it from objective sources. Social media is not news, and Fox News is not news but mostly commentary and opinions.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/04/covid-19s-death-toll-appears-higher-than-official-figures-suggest
https://www.france24.com/en/20200331-stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-raise-doubts-about-china-s-official-virus-toll"Objective sources". Talk about a subjective idea. It's all opinions. You just posted links of opinions. Not that their bad. It's probably important to hear them all, then make your decision based on what you think is logical. 🤔 I didn't bother signing up for the economist to read that one though. You think CNN is better than Fox in reporting their "News"? 😏.
I'd wager the Chinese aren't telling the truth either.
Now we're getting somewhere. The UNKNOWN- worst case scenario event positioning. Yes, I believe that is correct. So Fauci and co. Advise the White House of their recommendations based on their own modeling as well as consulting with other experts in their field, I would imagine. I don't think Fauci and Birx would be so arrogant and foolish, frankly, as to disregard all other "expert" opinions and assert to Trump that there can only be one answer (their own). I would think they present Trump with several scenarios, with possibly low, medium or high fatality risk and make suggestions to mitigate the risk for each level. Then I'm guessing Trump discusses the options with the task force and other officials and chooses which route to take, considering economic fallout, death rates, political risks and so on.
The problem is, no one knows for sure how the damn thing is going to proceed and so everyone is making their best guess. So it's easy to sit on the sidelines and take shots at whether the models are incorrect or not. No one knows til they know. But at the end of the day, the question is: would you rather be perceived as overreactive and have saved lives or take minimal action and end up with a lot of deaths if you're wrong. I would hope that the govt is doing what it thinks is best for the people, considering all factors.
So the issue of whether the media hysteria is overblown or not doesn't really matter, does it? Now if the govt was being duped by the media (assuming the hype is overblown) and making decisions based on such media hype, then that's another story. But I don't think the govt is that gullible even if the media IS overhyping stuff. And it doesn't seem like you believe the govt is that gullible either, since you said the reason for the aggressive measures was because of worst case scenario positioning, not media hype. So in conclusion, who cares if the media is blowing smoke because it doesn't matter. The govt is making its decisions based on more tangible factors and outcomes presented by its team of experts and own internal discussions (I hope anyway).Media hype, specifically social media hype, now the more dominant form of information transmission, caused the great toilet paper raid of 2020. Kind of annoying eh? Stress, depression, hypertension, bad decisions, etc increase with media hype. Yes, agree, the government hopefully, is making the right decisions based on the experts.
Overreaction in preparation for the worst case scenario is STILL an overreaction isn't it?
I'm always concerned about the law of unintended consequences. Especially when enacted by government policies.
https://youtu.be/6boSkJ3s-v4
One bear over reacted and bought 5000 rolls of toilet paper.
One bear was in denial that anything was wrong and went about life as usual.
One bear got news from reputable sources and paid heed to science and medicine and prepared accordingly.
I know which one of the above I am.
Lopaka Smith
04-02-20, 16:23
No reports of anyone infected at any facilities so they want to release inmates. On the general public where they can become infected then come back into the prison system and get the prisoners infected. Duh!
Unlike NYC where 1700 police officers are infected. They have a problem. We have 2.
They are quarantined and isolated.
I think our chances of beating this are better than the rest of the country because of our geographic isolation.
If people take it seriously.
However, there are some that treat this like it's a game. Saturday night my neighbors are outside barbequing like a normal weekend with 15 or so people drinking been and hanging out.
Sorry. It wasn't me but someone did call because it was a social gathering. They were belligerent to the responding officers. Why?
Don't they understand the order? Maybe not because most of them are not US citizens. Or not originally US citizens. Reminded me of the old section 8 days when used to have 2 different nationalities living in the same complex and used to have fights on payday weekend's.
You didn't need pay per view. You had live fights right from the front porch. Back then no knives or weapons, just good old fist fights.
Ah to be back in the 1970's and 80's.
SandBagger2
04-02-20, 16:51
Media hype, specifically social media hype, now the more dominant form of information transmission, caused the great toilet paper raid of 2020. Kind of annoying eh? Stress, depression, hypertension, bad decisions, etc increase with media hype. Yes, agree, the government hopefully, is making the right decisions based on the experts.
Overreaction in preparation for the worst case scenario is STILL an overreaction isn't it?
I'm always concerned about the law of unintended consequences. Especially when enacted by government policies.I don't really care about what the media is saying but the fact of the matter is that COVID-19 is spreading and people are dying. If you were responsible for the health and safety of all the citizens of Hawaii, what would you do? The number of positive tests continue to increase probably because, to some degree, more people are getting tested. But that only means that people who are infected and are not maintaining an acceptable "social distance" are infecting other people. If that is you, how would you feel if people in your family, your father, mother, brother, sister, wife or kids get infected because you did not believe that you could be infected or be a carrier. The problem with COVID-19 is that you can be infected and contagious without having any symptoms. When you have symptoms and get tested, it may be too late and you have now infected other people in your inner circle. Not a good thing.
I don't like the "stay at home" orders but I understand the need for them for the reasons stated above. But again, if you were responsible to protect everyone in the State, what would you do?
I don't really care about what the media is saying but the fact of the matter is that COVID-19 is spreading and people are dying. If you were responsible for the health and safety of all the citizens of Hawaii, what would you do? The number of positive tests continue to increase probably because, to some degree, more people are getting tested. But that only means that people who are infected and are not maintaining an acceptable "social distance" are infecting other people. If that is you, how would you feel if people in your family, your father, mother, brother, sister, wife or kids get infected because you did not believe that you could be infected or be a carrier. The problem with COVID-19 is that you can be infected and contagious without having any symptoms. When you have symptoms and get tested, it may be too late and you have now infected other people in your inner circle. Not a good thing.
I don't like the "stay at home" orders but I understand the need for them for the reasons stated above. But again, if you were responsible to protect everyone in the State, what would you do?Well I've been staying home like many others. No mongering. So no reports. Sucks huh. What else is there? Everything closed. Not a beach goer, who's out doing anything? Just the "Essential" workers are out spreading it. I'm furloughed, so that ain't me. 😷.
FleshPrince
04-02-20, 21:47
Media hype, specifically social media hype, now the more dominant form of information transmission, caused the great toilet paper raid of 2020. Kind of annoying eh? Stress, depression, hypertension, bad decisions, etc increase with media hype. Yes, agree, the government hopefully, is making the right decisions based on the experts.
Overreaction in preparation for the worst case scenario is STILL an overreaction isn't it?
I'm always concerned about the law of unintended consequences. Especially when enacted by government policies.I find it interesting that you remain so steadfast in your assessment that the govt response is an overreaction. I would have thought that the fact that your brother contracted the virus would have given you some pause in your criticism of the measures.
So I'm curious- do you know how your brother contracted the virus? Do you care how it was transmitted to him? Was he following the guidelines put forward by the state and fed govts?
The answers to those questions and others could prove helpful in guiding others' behavior and practices in their quest to remain healthy.
I find it interesting that you remain so steadfast in your assessment that the govt response is an overreaction. I would have thought that the fact that your brother contracted the virus would have given you some pause in your criticism of the measures.
So I'm curious- do you know how your brother contracted the virus? Do you care how it was transmitted to him? Was he following the guidelines put forward by the state and fed govts?
The answers to those questions and others could prove helpful in guiding others' behavior and practices in their quest to remain healthy.At home. His children and wife were all sick with seasonal flu. They all got rid of it as normal, but it affected him more so. As I mentioned, he's an avid smoker. He said his lungs felt like they were on fire and never felt as bad before. This was at the time when word of this virus was more rempant. March 11 I believe is when he caught it or took the test, don't remember. He Went to hospital, took test, was told to take ibuprofen and go home and stay clear of everyone. He went to my elderly parents house closer to hospital just in case. Was extremely careful for 2 weeks then back home. Finally got positive test results. Still self quarantined. Feels better, but still in his system. Said he won't smoke anymore. Suppose that's a good thing. Parents are still fine. Now been near 2 weeks and they don't show any Ill effects. Of course, who wouldn't be worried. Smart practices of being clean and wiping everything down appears to have worked.
Really, the international awareness of using common sense practices, washing hands, being aware of the germs that are out there is a positive thing. A contributing factor to slower spread of what is inevitably going to be in everyone's family eventually. As I said before, the virus won't go away just like the flu won't go away. Hopefully, it will mutate into a lesser strain or be reduced considerably from a vaccine which is already in the works. My criticism of government has always been an on going event. Everyone should question and not just follow the heard. I'm not going against the current government edict, but I'll always be critical. How easy it is for a government to take away basic rights under the guise of a pandemic. How odd that it's frowned upon or not politically correct to voice differing opinions of events. Considered stupid to question. If you like, I'll offer that the initial response being so zealous in it's form has been good. Even though it's still considered excessive. It's opening the eyes of everyone and telling them to be clean. Mayne we'll get less of other nasty ailments that are out there.
Again, I think they should quarantine not everyone except, "The essential" but those who are most at risk. If you smoke, are sick, over 70, or have immune deficiencies. Meaning everyone is away from them and they are away from everyone. There is no essential. Only "at risk" and not at risk of death. My 2 ¢ Again.
NerdFriday
04-03-20, 01:57
I want some detailed analysis of what they expect to happen if they release inmates. Sure, not all of them are going to immediately start committing crime, but if 50% of the inmates released don't even have family in the islands, they're essentially going to instantly become part of the "homeless" population. No one's going to hire them, and good luck with them trying to find a place. So, release them, then what? A person who commits crime generally does so at the expense of others. You put a criminal outside of jails where they have lodging, food, and a "community", they're going to get desperate. Even the most "harmless offender" is going to resort to petty crime to try and survive. I can see them breaking into cars just to sleep, because they won't go to a homeless shelter or sleep with other homeless people. What are they going to eat? I can see them just dine and dashing or walking out with food from a grocery store. Sure, they might not immediately do an armed home invasion and rape someone, but they sure as hell are going to commit petty crimes just to survive, and I don't blame them.
All this talk about releasing prisoners and I haven't' see a single plan stating what these prisoners are reasonably expected to do once out.
AlwaysFishing
04-03-20, 04:32
By any chance does anyone know what happened to the Governor? Really. Where is he? He's not on the news doing his interviews. Only the mayor is doing all the talking along with the Lt. Gov. Don't you think the way this coronavirus situation is headed wouldn't he be the one to do all the talking on the news? Seems strange.
Stay safe out there everyone.
Aloha.
AF.
I want some detailed analysis of what they expect to happen if they release inmates. Sure, not all of them are going to immediately start committing crime, but if 50% of the inmates released don't even have family in the islands, they're essentially going to instantly become part of the "homeless" population. No one's going to hire them, and good luck with them trying to find a place. So, release them, then what? A person who commits crime generally does so at the expense of others. You put a criminal outside of jails where they have lodging, food, and a "community", they're going to get desperate. Even the most "harmless offender" is going to resort to petty crime to try and survive. I can see them breaking into cars just to sleep, because they won't go to a homeless shelter or sleep with other homeless people. What are they going to eat? I can see them just dine and dashing or walking out with food from a grocery store. Sure, they might not immediately do an armed home invasion and rape someone, but they sure as hell are going to commit petty crimes just to survive, and I don't blame them.
All this talk about releasing prisoners and I haven't' see a single plan stating what these prisoners are reasonably expected to do once out.The plan is to release the violent criminals and murders. Then fine and jail the innocent civilians for breaking quarantine orders by the governor. That's the plan.
The lady that just died was a Thai therapist who worked in Waipahu before moving to CC.
SandBagger2
04-03-20, 17:22
The lady that just died was a Thai therapist who worked in Waipahu before moving to CC.I hear that the lady that just died was in really bad shape when they brought her in. The reports were that she was a "provider".
The lady that just died was a Thai therapist who worked in Waipahu before moving to CC.OMG! And take a look at this!
https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/sex-workers-feared-to-be-spreading-coronavirus-in-japan/
Please be safe out there!
PowerTrip2
04-03-20, 17:56
Bunch of hype right there. Unfortunately, we'll have to see after a year to actually see the factual results compared to H1 N1. About 18000 deaths from H1 N1 in a year, we are at a whole 400 in the USA so far. I will bet you remain at zero deaths in Hawaii. ZERO. (now watch it be 2 or 3 You're watching too many zombie movies. Having the flu will fuck people up too especially if they have pre-existing problems.
Zero deaths in Hawaii still.
I can tell you swallow lots of CNN.
Just waiting for the zombies apocalypse.
Snowflake.Good thing according to you we already hit the high end of deaths from Coronavirus, we must have passed the peak already. Cancel the quarantine and we can go back to our normal lives.
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