Being safe

[Drex Diggler2]

So I used to go to one of the AMPs in SE that I could get the FS on the regular. However, it has become so popular, and every review site mentions what goes on there, I stopped. Plus there is some sketchy stuff going on in the vicinity. Am I the only one who thinks that way? That once a place becomes to popular that it is just not safe to go anymore? But then I am the type of guy who will drive by once, to see if I notice anything. Saved me once during the Vancouver raids a couple years ago, as it was obvious what was going on.

[Boomer14]

So I used to go to one of the AMPs in SE that I could get the FS on the regular. However, it has become so popular, and every review site mentions what goes on there, I stopped. Plus there is some sketchy stuff going on in the vicinity. Am I the only one who thinks that way? That once a place becomes to popular that it is just not safe to go anymore? But then I am the type of guy who will drive by once, to see if I notice anything. Saved me once during the Vancouver raids a couple years ago, as it was obvious what was going on.I don't do the Massage Parlor stuff but I agree that more exposure will create safety issues. LE will be by shortly once it's obvious what's up. I kinda think the discussions here may be couter productive in the MP arena.

[BloodRage]

So I used to go to one of the AMPs in SE that I could get the FS on the regular. However, it has become so popular, and every review site mentions what goes on there, I stopped. Plus there is some sketchy stuff going on in the vicinity. Am I the only one who thinks that way? That once a place becomes to popular that it is just not safe to go anymore? But then I am the type of guy who will drive by once, to see if I notice anything. Saved me once during the Vancouver raids a couple years ago, as it was obvious what was going on.That is the balance that websites like these have not achieved. I understand we all have a goal but with a mix of characters, nothing is consistent. Some are too explicit, some write entire pages in their review, and so on. Even in the year 2020, nothing has changed in regards to people.

[RamblinJavlin]

So I used to go to one of the AMPs in SE that I could get the FS on the regular. However, it has become so popular, and every review site mentions what goes on there, I stopped. Plus there is some sketchy stuff going on in the vicinity. Am I the only one who thinks that way? That once a place becomes to popular that it is just not safe to go anymore? But then I am the type of guy who will drive by once, to see if I notice anything. Saved me once during the Vancouver raids a couple years ago, as it was obvious what was going on.I'm starting to think this way about an AMP which I had a good experience at. People have talked about it a lot, so now it's busy.

[TryHard]

1. I don't go to AMPs any more because they're too public and I don't want to get tagged by LE. I avoid the young 18-21 providers not because I want to but because I want to see ID before risking it. And the reason is similar to AMPs. Trafficking and underage mongering is shitty and will get you into a whole new level of pain if you get caught.

2. I love GFE stuff and have been lucky so far but I have picked up my share of colds and sore throats and a case of pink eye and I suspect that I dropped kissing I'd be better off. Yeah and I don't always wear a rubber but I'm only human. Something to work on.

[RamblinJavlin]

1. I don't go to AMPs any more because they're too public and I don't want to get tagged by LE. I avoid the young 18-21 providers not because I want to but because I want to see ID before risking it. And the reason is similar to AMPs. Trafficking and underage mongering is shitty and will get you into a whole new level of pain if you get caught.

2. I love GFE stuff and have been lucky so far but I have picked up my share of colds and sore throats and a case of pink eye and I suspect that I dropped kissing I'd be better off. Yeah and I don't always wear a rubber but I'm only human. Something to work on.I'm starting to think that way about AMP's. Especially the one's that are all be discussed around here.

Regarding #2: I'm not going to give up on the GFE, but I'm thinking the BBFS isn't worth it so much. Only one out of every three that I've done that with has been worth it. So it's not justified really.

[Zippy69]

I am curious about the BBFS to need for a Dr visit ratio for guys who do it regularly. I'm very selective and have never caught anything. Sloppy seconds are something I wouldn't do. I'm intrigued by the Taboo scene but I'd likely just watch and beat off.

[RamblinJavlin]

I am curious about the BBFS to need for a Dr visit ratio for guys who do it regularly. I'm very selective and have never caught anything. Sloppy seconds are something I wouldn't do. I'm intrigued by the Taboo scene but I'd likely just watch and beat off.It's very risky. Therein lies part of the thrill, although, if I could be sure I would catch anything while still going bare, I'd still have just as much fun. I think. There's a chick that gets trained at Taboo by anyone willing to partake, and she doesn't mind if you ride her bare. I've thought about hopping on that train. You could go beat off watching me and 20 other dudes rail her. Just a suggestion.

To answer your question, I've barebacked three women. After the first, I went and got tested. Results were negative. I should get checked again. This has all taken place in the last 10 months.

[Zippy69]

It's very risky. Therein lies part of the thrill, although, if I could be sure I would catch anything while still going bare, I'd still have just as much fun. I think. There's a chick that gets trained at Taboo by anyone willing to partake, and she doesn't mind if you ride her bare. I've thought about hopping on that train. You could go beat off watching me and 20 other dudes rail her. Just a suggestion.

To answer your question, I've barebacked three women. After the first, I went and got tested. Results were negative. I should get checked again. This has all taken place in the last 10 months.The main issue I have with fucking bare at taboo is I don't want to put my cock in someone else's splooge. That takes it up a notch. I am married but my wife can't have sex so I'm not worried about passing anything to her, and I'm not too worried about things that can be cured with antibiotics. I'd have a hard time explaining herpes though. That would be hard to keep a secret.

I do think it would be fun at taboo to get my cock sucked while others were fucking her or just jerk off kn her tits. Hope to see you there!

[Trux1]

I am curious about the BBFS to need for a Dr visit ratio for guys who do it regularly. I'm very selective and have never caught anything. Sloppy seconds are something I wouldn't do. I'm intrigued by the Taboo scene but I'd likely just watch and beat off.I've done a few dozen pros uncovered and never picked up anything except a UTI. However, it could happen tomorrow. The only thing I've ever gotten was actually during CFS with a TNA provider. Got hsv which has been a complete non issue, never passed it on afterwards and have never had a second breakout.

I've had a couple very uncomfortable weeks after visiting some of the well known AMP ladies, but UTIs clear up on their own. I do get a full panel test twice a year just in case, Trich in particular tends to not show symptoms.

If and when I have a partner I don't hobby at all. At some point something will happen and it's not worth the risk.

[Valinor]

I've done a few dozen pros uncovered and never picked up anything except a UTI. However, it could happen tomorrow. The only thing I've ever gotten was actually during CFS with a TNA provider. Got hsv which has been a complete non issue, never passed it on afterwards and have never had a second breakout.

I've had a couple very uncomfortable weeks after visiting some of the well known AMP ladies, but UTIs clear up on their own. I do get a full panel test twice a year just in case, Trich in particular tends to not show symptoms.

If and when I have a partner I don't hobby at all. At some point something will happen and it's not worth the risk.Your experience is exactly why I haven't had the courage to actually partake in the hobby.

Hsv and wart-producing hpv are impossible to hide, long term, from a partner.

My partner functions; she's just unwilling to provide any BJs and very rarely will actually touch my dick during foreplay. I basically just have to will my dick upright through excitement generated via pleasing her before we get down to the climax.

I think my options are limited to divorce or suicide at this point, and I'm leaning towards the latter.

[Bobby ShafToe]

It's very risky. Therein lies part of the thrill, although, if I could be sure I would catch anything while still going bare, I'd still have just as much fun. I think. There's a chick that gets trained at Taboo by anyone willing to partake, and she doesn't mind if you ride her bare. I've thought about hopping on that train. You could go beat off watching me and 20 other dudes rail her. Just a suggestion.

To answer your question, I've barebacked three women. After the first, I went and got tested. Results were negative. I should get checked again. This has all taken place in the last 10 months.I've barebacked I don't know how many escorts, strippers, and amateur porn models. I've caught chlamydia a few times. Once from Rosetta Stoned, RIP, once from a dancer at the Sugar Shack, and once from a UTR girl that was fucking a lot of guys in her personal life. I've never had gonorrhea or syphilis, thank God.

I honestly believe that you're probably at higher risk if you fuck a civilian girl that has an active sex life than a non-junkie escort. (I've fucked a few junkie escorts in my day, but my risk tolerance is not that high any more!)

I got HPV from a civilian girl. Of all of the freaking escorts I'd fucked, that's where I got it. She is a freaking attorney, too.

All of that said, I basically refuse to fuck an escort with a condom at this stage in my life. I have a super hot UTR former escort and a number of amateur porn models that are open to bbfs and cip for reasonable rates.

If a girl was hot enough and I wanted her badly enough, I'd be happy to cover up, but they are few and far between. Like one of my favorite strippers, I'd absolutely cover up if I was given the offer to fuck one of them, but the escorts online these days just do not even remotely have a high enough combination of hotness, enthusiasm, sexual skills, and reasonable rates to make me to want to do it. The strippers I know, have seen and talked to and gotten dances from them at the club, so I know them enough for me to be mentally stimulated by them enough that the condom would be fine. But with some random internet escort, I don't have enough of a desire for them to get past the thought of using a condom being disappointing. Maybe I have a problem, haha.

If I could find a hot girl that was fun and allowed BBFS for 400 for an hour, I'd be a regular, but I don't think that exists any more.

[Bobby ShafToe]

Your experience is exactly why I haven't had the courage to actually partake in the hobby.

Hsv and wart-producing hpv are impossible to hide, long term, from a partner.

My partner functions; she's just unwilling to provide any BJs and very rarely will actually touch my dick during foreplay. I basically just have to will my dick upright through excitement generated via pleasing her before we get down to the climax.

I think my options are limited to divorce or suicide at this point, and I'm leaning towards the latter.If you've resigned yourself to divorce, why not partake in escorts? If you get HPV or HSV, and it results in a divorce, well, you were resigned to it anyway. If it doesn't, maybe those thoughts of suicide will be replaced with thoughts of fucking hot hookers!

Better yet, if you've resigned yourself to divorce, tell your wife that you need more, and if she won't provide it, you want to explore other ways of getting it. If she says fuck no, I want a divorce, then, well, that's what you were thinking anyway.

I know, it's not that easy, but worth considering.

[Zippy69]

God I loved the sugar shack. Walking in anytime I wanted and fucking someone at a reasonable price. I fucked hundreds there and the other affiliated places. I had 2 I'd bareback. Never caught anything bare or covered. I had a one off at Pop A Top / Landing Strip sit on my bare cock right in the middle of a private dance that was not really very private. I was nervous and checked my cock and balls constantly for 2 weeks. I lost sleep over that one.

[Valinor]

If you've resigned yourself to divorce, why not partake in escorts? If you get HPV or HSV, and it results in a divorce, well, you were resigned to it anyway. If it doesn't, maybe those thoughts of suicide will be replaced with thoughts of fucking hot hookers!

Better yet, if you've resigned yourself to divorce, tell your wife that you need more, and if she won't provide it, you want to explore other ways of getting it. If she says fuck no, I want a divorce, then, well, that's what you were thinking anyway.

I know, it's not that easy, but worth considering.It's irrational, I recognize that, but mostly I want my cake and want to eat it too.

- If I do get divorced, my chances of having children in my lifetime decline rapidly. I'm nearing mid 30's.

- Social stigma concerns for both divorce as well as ever finding another partner if I do catch something incurable.

- I've approached her in the past about additional sexual activities, such as bjs. It's ended with her in tears because she wasn't fulfilling but also she stated she has no interest in doing so. And that's fair! I don't want her to do something she doesn't want to. The end result just sucks for me. This is the same for just normal HJ foreplay. But also strict monogamy is required.

I don't mind exploring other pastures so long as it doesn't interfere with home life. In fact, I previously ran a small amateur porn business thinking it would be safer, but TTS doesn't test for hpv or herpes, and my nerves got to me so I quit. And now all I can think about is disease when entertaining the thought. I think I may be a mental wreck.

I look in the mirror and only see failure. Acquiring a hot wife was my number one goal in life, and I failed. Sucks but I made the decision, and it's life. Was hoping raising a family would be sufficient, but I'm losing confidence in that hypothesis, and a single twitch of the finger could easily render this conundrum irrelevant.

[RamblinJavlin]

The main issue I have with fucking bare at taboo is I don't want to put my cock in someone else's splooge. That takes it up a notch. I am married but my wife can't have sex so I'm not worried about passing anything to her, and I'm not too worried about things that can be cured with antibiotics. I'd have a hard time explaining herpes though. That would be hard to keep a secret.

I do think it would be fun at taboo to get my cock sucked while others were fucking her or just jerk off kn her tits. Hope to see you there!I know this is personal subject matter, but please don't take it as me trying to be anything else but helpful.

Are you sure your wife can't have sex anymore? I've heard of women just not wanting to at certain stages in life because of feelings of insecurity. Just saying. Maybe you should get a divorce, or at least tell her you're going to start getting off elsewhere so you don't have to hide it.

[Bobby ShafToe]

It's irrational, I recognize that, but mostly I want my cake and want to eat it too.

- If I do get divorced, my chances of having children in my lifetime decline rapidly. I'm nearing mid 30's.

- Social stigma concerns for both divorce as well as ever finding another partner if I do catch something incurable.

- I've approached her in the past about additional sexual activities, such as bjs. It's ended with her in tears because she wasn't fulfilling but also she stated she has no interest in doing so. And that's fair! I don't want her to do something she doesn't want to. The end result just sucks for me. This is the same for just normal HJ foreplay. But also strict monogamy is required.

I don't mind exploring other pastures so long as it doesn't interfere with home life. In fact, I previously ran a small amateur porn business thinking it would be safer, but TTS doesn't test for hpv or herpes, and my nerves got to me so I quit. And now all I can think about is disease when entertaining the thought. I think I may be a mental wreck.

I look in the mirror and only see failure. Acquiring a hot wife was my number one goal in life, and I failed. Sucks but I made the decision, and it's life. Was hoping raising a family would be sufficient, but I'm losing confidence in that hypothesis, and a single twitch of the finger could easily render this conundrum irrelevant.Suicide is never a good answer.

You're building up an enormous wall of impossibility in front of yourself. If you see a hooker, you may get herpes or hpv, that may result in divorce, and then because you have herpes or hpv you may never find a hot woman again, and you're in your mid 30's, so you'll never have kids.

That's a lot of if's man. You're living in fear. I'm not saying to see a hooker, tho. See a therapist. Maybe couples therapy, even.

Also, please be aware that a huge percentage of the population has herpes and hpv. Lots and lots of women have it. By the age of 70, something like 70% of people have them.

[Zippy69]

I know this is personal subject matter, but please don't take it as me trying to be anything else but helpful.

Are you sure your wife can't have sex anymore? I've heard of women just not wanting to at certain stages in life because of feelings of insecurity. Just saying. Maybe you should get a divorce, or at least tell her you're going to start getting off elsewhere so you don't have to hide it.Sex is painful and she's had it looked into. She is into other things like oral and toys. So it's not completely zero. Sometimes I just need to fuck. Divorce would suck worse. Been married 35 years. I'd probably never recover financially. Plus most other aspects are good. We get along great.

[Jumbotron]

I look in the mirror and only see failure. Acquiring a hot wife was my number one goal in life, and I failed. Sucks but I made the decision, and it's life. Was hoping raising a family would be sufficient, but I'm losing confidence in that hypothesis, and a single twitch of the finger could easily render this conundrum irrelevant.Good god. Seek help man. Get yourself laid. A good ***** will fix you right up.

[DamionSparHawk]

Sex is painful and she's had it looked into. She is into other things like oral and toys. So it's not completely zero. Sometimes I just need to fuck. Divorce would suck worse. Been married 35 years. I'd probably never recover financially. Plus most other aspects are good. We get along great.I recommend discussing your needs with her, if sex is painful for her, maybe she'd be willing to work with you on alternatives methods of getting what you need. If you genuinely care about each other and want this to work, it might be time to explore options that are slightly less than monogamy. Therapy can help you discuss things while helping to mediate misunderstandings and hurt feelings.

[WinterWonder]

Now that the forum is up and running, here's my case:

Wife don't want to BBBJCIM. Have had luck with AMPs. Mostly misses but few hits. Still fine since wife is okay with it. That way I'm lucky.

Now, I'm not looking for sex outside marriage but can't pass the fun of a head game. I'm beginning to explore more BBBJ options and TNA providers seem scripted and don't excite me. Any options out there? Thinking of casino scene or movie theatres to keep the fun.

[BookOfMorty]

It's irrational, I recognize that, but mostly I want my cake and want to eat it too.

- If I do get divorced, my chances of having children in my lifetime decline rapidly. I'm nearing mid 30's.

- Social stigma concerns for both divorce as well as ever finding another partner if I do catch something incurable.

- I've approached her in the past about additional sexual activities, such as bjs. It's ended with her in tears because she wasn't fulfilling but also she stated she has no interest in doing so. And that's fair! I don't want her to do something she doesn't want to. The end result just sucks for me. This is the same for just normal HJ foreplay. But also strict monogamy is required.

I don't mind exploring other pastures so long as it doesn't interfere with home life. In fact, I previously ran a small amateur porn business thinking it would be safer, but TTS doesn't test for hpv or herpes, and my nerves got to me so I quit. And now all I can think about is disease when entertaining the thought. I think I may be a mental wreck.

I look in the mirror and only see failure. Acquiring a hot wife was my number one goal in life, and I failed. Sucks but I made the decision, and it's life. Was hoping raising a family would be sufficient, but I'm losing confidence in that hypothesis, and a single twitch of the finger could easily render this conundrum irrelevant.I don't understand why this happens to so many married women. So many married women just shut it down at like age 30 or something. Something wrong with out culture.

As for BBFS, I dunno. I'm deathly afraid mostly and don't want to have to deal with that for the rest of my life or pass it on inadvertently to someone I'm dating. Yeah the risks per act is low but it's like 0. 5 to 1% per act. I pretty much only do BBFS if I can see her tests and there are girls out there who will show you their test results if you show yours and pay the VIP rate.