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ToolMan347
05-08-19, 19:56
I recall now I almost met her a few months ago. I couldn't respond to her texts momentarily, for around 10 minutes because my boss called me, and she told me to get lost. I was right outside her hotel. She has an attitude. But STG is such a barren wasteland these days I might try tomorrow.I'd never do that. I can think of 6 girls that I'd move onto. She doesn't deserve for anyone here to support her financially. Good luck. I look forward to the poor report.
Member #6005
05-08-19, 20:51
I'd never do that. I can think of 6 girls that I'd move onto. She doesn't deserve for anyone here to support her financially. Good luck. I look forward to the poor report.We're still talking about this obvious scam?
http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_e/forbidden-fruit-is-always-the/884128313999
Damn, talk about barren.
ToolMan347
05-09-19, 00:29
We're still talking about this obvious scam?
http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_e/forbidden-fruit-is-always-the/884128313999
Damn, talk about barren.Yes sir. I can point out at least 3 things in her ad that don't add up. 5'4 125 lbs. That describes a spinner. If her pics are real? Her boobs weigh 10 lbs. She's a curvy girl. At 5'4" she'd have to weigh at least 135 lbs. I'd guess 150. So either her pics are fake or she's lying about her weight. Not knocking off a few lbs. She's flat out lying by at least 20 lbs. So there's that. Then she also told him to get lost after making her wait 10 min? So she's also a *****. So he likes lying bitches basically, but says he can't find anymore but her to see? That describes pretty much all of STG. I mean come on. Close your eyes and scroll and click. You'd have a better chance of being happy with what you spend that way.
DaveBrewer1965
05-10-19, 10:36
Yes sir. I can point out at least 3 things in her ad that don't add up. 5'4 125 lbs. That describes a spinner. If her pics are real? Her boobs weigh 10 lbs. She's a curvy girl. At 5'4" she'd have to weigh at least 135 lbs. I'd guess 150. So either her pics are fake or she's lying about her weight. Not knocking off a few lbs. She's flat out lying by at least 20 lbs. So there's that. Then she also told him to get lost after making her wait 10 min? So she's also a *****. So he likes lying bitches basically, but says he can't find anymore but her to see? That describes pretty much all of STG. I mean come on. Close your eyes and scroll and click. You'd have a better chance of being happy with what you spend that way.Actually, I don't remember asking your opinion.
ToolMan347
05-10-19, 12:17
Does anyone know if this girl is legit? As in not a scam or LE. I'll give her a report but I'm so paranoid these seeing anyone new.
http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_e/forbidden-fruit-is-always-the/884128313999Sorry? Right here it looks like you asked for everyone's opinion? You can send PM's to the people that you would like to ask if you would not like everyone to respond. It sounds like you asked a question and then didn't like my response? I have no problem with not replying to your posts from now on.
HornyGuy Lif
05-10-19, 12:54
Sorry? Right here it looks like you asked for everyone's opinion? You can send PM's to the people that you would like to ask if you would not like everyone to respond. It sounds like you asked a question and then didn't like my response? I have no problem with not replying to your posts from now on.Very true everyone needs to get burned once or twice by TGTBT girls so they can see through the bogus ads. Listen to the senior members who've been around quite awhile is good advice.
DaveBrewer1965
05-10-19, 12:59
Sorry? Right here it looks like you asked for everyone's opinion? You can send PM's to the people that you would like to ask if you would not like everyone to respond. It sounds like you asked a question and then didn't like my response? I have no problem with not replying to your posts from now on.It's all good man. Sorry I didn't intend it to come off like that.
Member #6005
05-10-19, 21:24
I think you need to read Dante to understand the purpose of this thread.
HornyGuy Lif
05-10-19, 23:02
I think you need to read Dante to understand the purpose of this thread.About time we had our own stupid shit post. Kinda like rants and raves in Milwaukee forum. Post her and don't get put on the naughty list. I like it.
Yup, and if you keep doing it here and not on review threads you might stop being moderated.
A2
AsiaPhileJake1
05-13-19, 22:19
There may be a new norm with the Asian providers. It's happening in the Windy City and seems to be here as well.
I recently contacted what's visiting now and was givin 2 options of donations. The usual $. 4- $. 6 or the VIP $$. 8. It seems to me that the base is just mich FS and anything else may be considered extra. A monger reported in Chitown that one girl wanted extra just to change positions. That's totally FU. I will be seeing less and less if this continues.
Good luck and stay safe everyone.
WTF happened to our fearless leader Popeye? His posts are all gone and his account appears to be deactivated. That guy is like our front line recon squad. Can't imagine this place without him.
HornyGuy Lif
08-14-19, 04:58
I stubbled on a stat that Madison has the 10th highest average income in the USA 70+k so it's no wonder you see providers at 2. 5 and 3. Or higher. Guess it's not so much true that Madison workers are grossly underpaid. I don't blame those girls anymore. Not that I'm paying them a visit either.
I was visiting the Milwaukee forum and a guy had posted 50% of AA women are infected with herpes. So he had quoted CDC as the source. I'm thinking now way this is possible and go to check it out and it's 48%-52% for women and around 40% for AA guys. Gives you pause to think because lots of these girls have AA management doubt if any protection is used between them either.
RandomMadison
08-14-19, 19:25
I stubbled on a stat that Madison has the 10th highest average income in the USA 70+k so it's no wonder you see providers at 2. 5 and 3. Or higher. Guess it's not so much true that Madison workers are grossly underpaid. I don't blame those girls anymore. Not that I'm paying them a visit either.I would fucking kill for that. Time to look for a new job I guess.
I stubbled on a stat that Madison has the 10th highest average income in the USA 70+k so it's no wonder you see providers at 2. 5 and 3. Or higher. Guess it's not so much true that Madison workers are grossly underpaid. I don't blame those girls anymore. Not that I'm paying them a visit either.I remember when I moved to madison, people would brag that madison had the most college educated taxi drivers in the world. It seemed true too. Ever cabbie I had, had some degree from UW. Made me wonder what the value of a UW degree was.
I would fucking kill for that. Time to look for a new job I guess.I don't know what providers are making. The math is easy enough. If a girl charging $100 per half hour can get you to cum in 5 minutes without getting too sore, she might be able to do that 20 times a day? So maybe $2 K per day, if she practices the Art of Rushing Your Ass Out the Door.
LOL.
And yet, why are most of them on the verge of homelessness?
Go figure.
I would fucking kill for that. Time to look for a new job I guess.Drive truck.
Mad Jockey
08-16-19, 12:19
I would fucking kill for that. Time to look for a new job I guess.I think we have Epic to thank for that kids fresh out college making more money than they know what to do with.
PghTraveler
08-16-19, 22:26
Same in Berkeley / Oakland. So many cab drivers seem to have advanced degrees in philosophy or whatever.
I take it to mean that there are a lot of talented people who get off track. Plenty of artists have driven cabs to support themselves.
I remember when I moved to madison, people would brag that madison had the most college educated taxi drivers in the world. It seemed true too. Ever cabbie I had, had some degree from UW. Made me wonder what the value of a UW degree was.
Howard5354
08-20-19, 11:19
WTF happened to our fearless leader Popeye? His posts are all gone and his account appears to be deactivated. That guy is like our front line recon squad. Can't imagine this place without him.Yes, they come and go!
Yes, they come and go!Welcome back Howard been awhile buddy!
CurbFeeler
09-10-19, 04:43
Yes, they come and go!What is a PAWG? Curb.
What is a PAWG? Curb.Phat Ass White Girl.
https://www.pornhub.com/channels/pawg
LuvShortSkirts
09-10-19, 07:03
What is a PAWG? Curb.Pissed Americans with guns.
IceFourPlay
09-10-19, 07:38
What is a PAWG? Curb.Phat Ass White Girl.
SeanStyles
09-16-19, 09:32
Yes, they come and go!He was pretty vocal about his dissatisfaction with this hobby at the end so no surprise there.
CurbFeeler
09-16-19, 17:57
Phat Ass White Girl.Anybody notice the changes to STG today? Anybody going to go see Stormy when she comes to Madison on the 27th? Might have go see what the don was fuckin . Stormy a cute older PAWG! I'd do her too! Curb IN.
Anybody notice the changes to STG today? Anybody going to go see Stormy when she comes to Madison on the 27th? Might have go see what the don was fuckin . Stormy a cute older PAWG! I'd do her too! Curb IN.Better take a big stack of cash with you if your going to make a run at a porn star 3 or 4 k for her at a minimum.
Anybody notice the changes to STG today?Yes, they broke filtering and introduced a new layout that provides more information in the "Fast Results" view.
I contacted their support about the filtering.
Phat Ass White Girl.Those Pawg' s seemed to proliferate I see way more of them around than 20 years ago.
Yes, they broke filtering and introduced a new layout that provides more information in the "Fast Results" view.
I contacted their support about the filtering.STG support confirmed the filtering is broke. They're working on it.
Well, some of us are married and still partake of this sport. Wife told me her pussy was discharging green-yellow and smelly mucus. Oh boy! Quick internet search sounded real bad! Thinking back about 2. 5 weeks ago having a CD BBFS with a Peurto Rican chic and I brought something home. Quick visit to the clinic and 2 days till MyChart was updated with lab results. I'm clean! Broke into wife's MyChart because she also went to the doc. They also performed STD / STI labs. Finally got her results back too. Clean. Probably just some other infection. Sure made me lose sleep though.
TheCoolestOne2
12-06-19, 01:42
Well, some of us are married and still partake of this sport. Wife told me her pussy was discharging green-yellow and smelly mucus. Oh boy! Quick internet search sounded real bad! Thinking back about 2. 5 weeks ago having a CD BBFS with a Peurto Rican chic and I brought something home. Quick visit to the clinic and 2 days till MyChart was updated with lab results. I'm clean! Broke into wife's MyChart because she also went to the doc. They also performed STD / STI labs. Finally got her results back too. Clean. Probably just some other infection. Sure made me lose sleep though.Why do you do BBFS?
BooRadley72
12-06-19, 11:06
Well, some of us are married and still partake of this sport. Wife told me her pussy was discharging green-yellow and smelly mucus. Oh boy! Quick internet search sounded real bad! Thinking back about 2. 5 weeks ago having a CD BBFS with a Peurto Rican chic and I brought something home. Quick visit to the clinic and 2 days till MyChart was updated with lab results. I'm clean! Broke into wife's MyChart because she also went to the doc. They also performed STD / STI labs. Finally got her results back too. Clean. Probably just some other infection. Sure made me lose sleep though.Congratulations to you and the wife!
Congratulations to you and the wife!Yeah, I won't need to spill the beans on my activities, but she needs to figure out what's going on down there yet.
Why do you do BBFS?I didn't intend to, but she climbed on pretty quick. Faster than my realizing that the cover was not in the planning. I've always turned down BBFS from other providers.
DieselMike
12-07-19, 07:39
Well, some of us are married and still partake of this sport. Wife told me her pussy was discharging green-yellow and smelly mucus. Oh boy! Quick internet search sounded real bad! Thinking back about 2. 5 weeks ago having a CD BBFS with a Peurto Rican chic and I brought something home. Quick visit to the clinic and 2 days till MyChart was updated with lab results. I'm clean! Broke into wife's MyChart because she also went to the doc. They also performed STD / STI labs. Finally got her results back too. Clean. Probably just some other infection. Sure made me lose sleep though.I experienced something similar several years ago. Wife came down with something and blamed me but wouldn't tell me what it was. I went to doc. He scratched his head for a while and said it sounded like XXX, can't remember the exact medical term, what is usually called a yeast infection. He said it is something that can just happen without outside influences. Gave me a scrip "just in case". Resident cold fish still blames me for it.
I experienced something similar several years ago. Wife came down with something and blamed me but wouldn't tell me what it was. I went to doc. He scratched his head for a while and said it sounded like XXX, can't remember the exact medical term, what is usually called a yeast infection. He said it is something that can just happen without outside influences. Gave me a scrip "just in case". Resident cold fish still blames me for it.Trichomoniasis is the most common STI. And can be treated by antibiotics. For men, they barely know if they got it aside from longer term symptoms. I was test for all the STD / STI's. Yeast infection is a female thing, don't think you can pass this on. My wife isn't being forthcoming about her tests that were performed on her, but I KNOW that she had them. Betting to catch me in a lie?? Well if it comes to that, I'll tell her I am clean, I tested because I was worried about getting something from her.
Howard5354
12-08-19, 17:25
I didn't intend to, but she climbed on pretty quick. Faster than my realizing that the cover was not in the planning. I've always turned down BBFS from other providers.I was hitting Dallas once and the pussy felt so damn good. I pull out after banging for about 50 minutes and we could not find the condom because it was stuck inside the pussy. It just happens!
DieselMike
12-09-19, 07:35
Trichomoniasis is the most common STI. And can be treated by antibiotics. For men, they barely know if they got it aside from longer term symptoms. I was test for all the STD / STI's. Yeast infection is a female thing, don't think you can pass this on. My wife isn't being forthcoming about her tests that were performed on her, but I KNOW that she had them. Betting to catch me in a lie?? Well if it comes to that, I'll tell her I am clean, I tested because I was worried about getting something from her.Trichomoniasis is what the doc guessed at. I was probably incorrect in saying "yeast infection".
Trichomoniasis is what the doc guessed at. I was probably incorrect in saying "yeast infection".Easy Fix. It is actually a parasite. One dose of 2000 mg Flagyl (Metronidazole) or 2, 1000 mg of Flagyl in doses 12 hours a part.
Or, 250 mg three times daily for seven consecutive days. Don't drink alcohol while taking it.
TimWatley1973
12-10-19, 02:56
In general, most men won't test positive for it. If you believe you've been exposed request to be treated for it. You'll know if a woman has it, smells like a rotting carcass. Met up with somebody downtown once and after the introductory oral services she got on her knees and I got a wiff of her and politely told her she could jerk me off and that would be fine. Using protection isn't a sure thing with trich. Not terribly dangerous but it is terribly catching.
Trichomoniasis is the most common STI. And can be treated by antibiotics. For men, they barely know if they got it aside from longer term symptoms. I was test for all the STD / STI's. Yeast infection is a female thing, don't think you can pass this on. My wife isn't being forthcoming about her tests that were performed on her, but I KNOW that she had them. Betting to catch me in a lie?? Well if it comes to that, I'll tell her I am clean, I tested because I was worried about getting something from her.
Milo Madison
12-10-19, 14:53
Well, some of us are married and still partake of this sport. Wife told me her pussy was discharging green-yellow and smelly mucus. Oh boy! Quick internet search sounded real bad! Thinking back about 2. 5 weeks ago having a CD BBFS with a Peurto Rican chic and I brought something home. Quick visit to the clinic and 2 days till MyChart was updated with lab results. I'm clean! Broke into wife's MyChart because she also went to the doc. They also performed STD / STI labs. Finally got her results back too. Clean. Probably just some other infection. Sure made me lose sleep though.Nightmare. At least she only found my Twitter communication and I didn't bring anything home. So far still married. Be safe out there friends.
Easy Fix. It is actually a parasite. One dose of 2000 mg Flagyl (Metronidazole) or 2, 1000 mg of Flagyl in doses 12 hours a part.
Or, 250 mg three times daily for seven consecutive days. Don't drink alcohol while taking it.That's what they prescribed her today. Even though we both tested Negative.
My resolutions for the new year are to stay away from Madison AMPs, stay away from STG crackheads and to hobby with only my trusted companions. Starting to spend to much on this shit I need a little break.
LumberJack5555
01-02-20, 16:12
My resolutions for the new year are to stay away from Madison AMPs, stay away from STG crackheads and to hobby with only my trusted companions. Starting to spend to much on this shit I need a little break.I've seen my fair share of providers in the past ten years. Limited only by resources and quality of providers. Never been to an AMP. Always wondered what the draw was. Good luck on that break. Has never seemed to work for me.
My resolutions for the new year are to stay away from Madison AMPs, stay away from STG crackheads and to hobby with only my trusted companions. Starting to spend to much on this shit I need a little break.You've still got "The Hand", right? You might need it.
Apparently the CDC issued a warning on the COVID-19/ Coronavirus.
And seeing professional girls. Apparently you can not only catch it.
If they sneeze or cough on you but if you eat pussy or the raincoat.
Falls off? Not sure how this will affect the hobby? Maybe will not.
Be going to the Asian spa for awhile. What are your thoughts?
No this is not a joke. I did seriously read this
Apparently the CDC issued a warning on the COVID-19/ Coronavirus.
And seeing professional girls. Apparently you can not only catch it.
If they sneeze or cough on you but if you eat pussy or the raincoat.
Falls off? Not sure how this will affect the hobby? Maybe will not.
Be going to the Asian spa for awhile. What are your thoughts?
No this is not a joke. I did seriously read thisI don't see how spas would be any safer. Close contact. Even legit therapists are too risky. And it's not just your level of risk this time. You will take it home, to work, or pass it on to me at the hardware store.
We should all be done with this until they get a vaccine.
Respectfully yours,
Killjoy.
Apparently the CDC issued a warning on the COVID-19/ Coronavirus.
And seeing professional girls. Apparently you can not only catch it.
If they sneeze or cough on you but if you eat pussy or the raincoat.
Falls off? Not sure how this will affect the hobby? Maybe will not.
Be going to the Asian spa for awhile. What are your thoughts?
No this is not a joke. I did seriously read thisYes, the virus may be transmitted by intimate contact etc. However, if a provider has not been back to Mainland China for several months, then there is very little risk in my opinion. Anyone coming over since the outbreak (travel bans were implemented) would have been quarantined. Besides, China has reported about 100,000 cases of of the virus, and even when accounting for the regimes downplaying of it, and fudging the numbers, let's say it is actually 500,000 cases. 500,000 out of almost 1. 4 billion people living there. The odds are extremely rare.
LumberJack5555
03-11-20, 17:11
Yes, the virus may be transmitted by intimate contact etc. However, if a provider has not been back to Mainland China for several months, then there is very little risk in my opinion. Anyone coming over since the outbreak (travel bans were implemented) would have been quarantined. Besides, China has reported about 100,000 cases of of the virus, and even when accounting for the regimes downplaying of it, and fudging the numbers, let's say it is actually 500,000 cases. 500,000 out of almost 1. 4 billion people living there. The odds are extremely rare.Here are several links with excellent info: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/share-facts-h.pdf , https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html , https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/as-coronavirus-spreads-many-questions-and-some-answers-2020022719004#q2.
The one troubling detail about this virus and why it seems to spread so easily is the incubation period might be between 2 to 11 days or more. It's unclear. And some people who get may be asymptomatic and be spreading it without knowing it. Also, those who are older or who have existing health issues are more susceptible to death. And yes, the flu also kills many each year, but the death rate for this virus is higher.
Stay informed. Stay safe.
Yes, the virus may be transmitted by intimate contact etc. However, if a provider has not been back to Mainland China for several months, then there is very little risk in my opinion. Anyone coming over since the outbreak (travel bans were implemented) would have been quarantined. Besides, China has reported about 100,000 cases of of the virus, and even when accounting for the regimes downplaying of it, and fudging the numbers, let's say it is actually 500,000 cases. 500,000 out of almost 1. 4 billion people living there. The odds are extremely rare.Every body has gone crazy over this stuff. Went shopping the other night and I was the only person at farm and fleet! Corona virus scare? Don't know but very strange. Next to walmart and very few people just for fun checked out hand sanitizer and Lysol nothing but bare shelves. Forgot to check toilet paper LOL. Now that World Health has declared it official pandemic will only fuel the fire. Girls had better have a good slush fund set aside no one is going to visit them. UW forbidding in person classes 1 visitor at hospital and ncaa not allowing any spectators should really juice this up!
SconnieNation7
03-11-20, 18:48
Every body has gone crazy over this stuff. Went shopping the other night and I was the only person at farm and fleet! Corona virus scare? Don't know but very strange. Next to walmart and very few people just for fun checked out hand sanitizer and Lysol nothing but bare shelves. Forgot to check toilet paper LOL. Now that World Health has declared it official pandemic will only fuel the fire. Girls had better have a good slush fund set aside no one is going to visit them. UW forbidding in person classes 1 visitor at hospital and ncaa not allowing any spectators should really juice this up!I've already inquired to a few wish list out of state girls about fmty as airfare is cheap right now.
Apparently the CDC issued a warning on the COVID-19/ Coronavirus.
And seeing professional girls. Apparently you can not only catch it.
If they sneeze or cough on you but if you eat pussy or the raincoat.
Falls off? Not sure how this will affect the hobby? Maybe will not.
Be going to the Asian spa for awhile. What are your thoughts?
No this is not a joke. I did seriously read thisThis is from the John's Hopkins webpage.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
COVID-19: Approximately 4,373 deaths reported worldwide; 29 deaths in the USA, as of Mar. 11,2020.
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the USA Per year.
If you aren't worried about the regular flu then don't worry about Covid.
The NSC (National Safety Council) reports 38,000 Americans lost their lives in car accidents last year. If you're still driving your car you have a much greater chance of dying from that than from Covid 19.
Wash your hands, use hand sanitizer, avoid crowded areas.
It's not nothing, but Covid 19 hysteria is causing far more damage than Covid 19.
Here this is a video for you guys who are challenged by reading.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtulL3oArQw
I moved all this stuff here because it has no business on the escort review page.
Yea, like going to school, college, sports events, bars, cruises, airplanes, buses, conventions, business meetings. On and on it goes. Some guy was coughing up a lung at Burger King today, so I skipped my Impossible Whopper. Panic?
Three more cases in Wisconsin, Fond du lac and Waukesha county, I believe.
The NBA just suspended its season? An estimated 70 million stricken if we don't stop this?
Not worry about the flu? We get flu shots for that. I haven't had the flu this century. No shots for this one.
This discussion should be in every forum.
What do we gain by hiding from this discussion?
This is from the John's Hopkins webpage.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
COVID-19: Approximately 4,373 deaths reported worldwide; 29 deaths in the USA, as of Mar. 11,2020.
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the USA Per year.
If you aren't worried about the regular flu then don't worry about Covid.
The NSC (National Safety Council) reports 38,000 Americans lost their lives in car accidents last year. If you're still driving your car you have a much greater chance of dying from that than from Covid 19.
Wash your hands, use hand sanitizer, avoid crowded areas.
It's not nothing, but Covid 19 hysteria is causing far more damage than Covid 19.
Here this is a video for you guys who are challenged by reading.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtulL3oArQw
I moved all this stuff here because it has no business on the escort review page.
SconnieNation7
03-12-20, 01:01
Yea, like going to school, college, sports events, bars, cruises, airplanes, buses, conventions, business meetings. On and on it goes. Some guy was coughing up a lung at Burger King today, so I skipped my Impossible Whopper. Panic?
Three more cases in Wisconsin, Fond du lac and Waukesha county, I believe.
The NBA just suspended its season? An estimated 70 million stricken if we don't stop this?
Not worry about the flu? We get flu shots for that. I haven't had the flu this century. No shots for this one.
This discussion should be in every forum.
What do we gain by hiding from this discussion?You should probably go buy some toilet paper lmao.
Incitatus09
03-12-20, 16:17
You should probably go buy some toilet paper lmao.The Dr on cnn claimed this virus could be expected to be ten times more lethal than the common flu. Anyone with health issues would be wise to take it seriously. Having said that just being a member here shows we like to roll the dice.
Well so much for the booming economy and plenty of jobs everywhere. This Chinese corona virus pandemic could be a real benefit in supplying new girls desperate for money. Give this thing 3 or 4 more weeks and watch the economic collapse begin. How far will that 1000 bucks go when people have no income. This could turn into something like the great depression with all the business places forced to close. What will happen in everyone is ordered to stay in their home for weeks or months like Calif. And Illinois are doing? Well babies and divorce probably. Kiss that 401 k goodbye. What if the gas stations all close and grocery stores to? Could get really rough.
Well so much for the booming economy and plenty of jobs everywhere. This Chinese corona virus pandemic could be a real benefit in supplying new girls desperate for money. Give this thing 3 or 4 more weeks and watch the economic collapse begin. How far will that 1000 bucks go when people have no income. This could turn into something like the great depression with all the business places forced to close. What will happen in everyone is ordered to stay in their home for weeks or months like Calif. And Illinois are doing? Well babies and divorce probably. Kiss that 401 k goodbye. What if the gas stations all close and grocery stores to? Could get really rough.I'm glad you aren't actually a mayor. Or are you?
RawlSocket
03-21-20, 20:28
Well so much for the booming economy and plenty of jobs everywhere. This Chinese corona virus pandemic could be a real benefit in supplying new girls desperate for money. Give this thing 3 or 4 more weeks and watch the economic collapse begin. How far will that 1000 bucks go when people have no income. This could turn into something like the great depression with all the business places forced to close. What will happen in everyone is ordered to stay in their home for weeks or months like Calif. And Illinois are doing? Well babies and divorce probably. Kiss that 401 k goodbye. What if the gas stations all close and grocery stores to? Could get really rough.Dude! Haven't you heard? It's all the medias fault!
Dude! Haven't you heard? It's all the medias fault!I heard that it's a hoax.
I heard that it's a hoax.The media is the hoax. Yes, this is serious, not insurmountable. Great depression was worsened by government "shutting down", not becoming proactive, instead stopped spending. This time, while $2+ trillion is a drop in the bucket for our total economy, it is a cushion. I am very anti-government generally, but this is a role to play. This is only a temporary bridge, economically. First, stem the virus. Then reopen. Given the strong foundation we have economically, should spring back to pre-virus levels in a timely basis. 401 K, ugh, but can be back to peak levels in 12 months.
JessieDonofrio
03-22-20, 14:00
The media is the hoax. Yes, this is serious, not insurmountable. Great depression was worsened by government "shutting down", not becoming proactive, instead stopped spending. This time, while $2+ trillion is a drop in the bucket for our total economy, it is a cushion. I am very anti-government generally, but this is a role to play. This is only a temporary bridge, economically. First, stem the virus. Then reopen. Given the strong foundation we have economically, should spring back to pre-virus levels in a timely basis. 401 K, ugh, but can be back to peak levels in 12 months.I think you have a good high level analysis. One question that I have derives from the "stem the virus" step. Which I agree is crucial and fundamental. It is the initial step, but does it require a vaccine or do we believe that the virus can be stopped without one?
The Dr on cnn claimed this virus could be expected to be ten times more lethal than the common flu. Anyone with health issues would be wise to take it seriously. Having said that just being a member here shows we like to roll the dice.Depends on what Dr you listen to none seem to agree. Regular flu is. 3% fatal and corona is 1% fatal but you see 2-3% posted to. Normal flu kills 15,000-30,000 if you believe their figures. Personally I've never known or heard of anyone who's died from the flu. I remember swine flu, bird flu, sars, murs, and zikka virus. We survived them all with little damage but this corona 19 the media has gone nuts over. Will result in the first media caused economic depression because they are talking about keeping business shut down for 10-12 more weeks. Plus some type of martial law like New York Calif and Illinois have where your not permitted to leave your home is a possibility. Yeah it will end because 80 degree temps will kill it but that's what June maybe July. Plus how long are people going to stay home with nothing to due before they go bonkers or say enough is enough? There is not just a run on toilet paper and food gun stores are selling out of guns and ammo. Photos of lines out in the street and everything completely sold out. China and Russia will surely take note of what this little virus has done to America.
Sanctimonious6
03-22-20, 18:10
Depends on what Dr you listen to none seem to agree. Regular flu is. 3% fatal and corona is 1% fatal but you see 2-3% posted to. Normal flu kills 15,000-30,000 if you believe their figures. Personally I've never known or heard of anyone who's died from the flu. I remember swine flu, bird flu, sars, murs, and zikka virus. We survived them all with little damage but this corona 19 the media has gone nuts over. Will result in the first media caused economic depression because they are talking about keeping business shut down for 10-12 more weeks. Plus some type of martial law like New York Calif and Illinois have where your not permitted to leave your home is a possibility. Yeah it will end because 80 degree temps will kill it but that's what June maybe July. Plus how long are people going to stay home with nothing to due before they go bonkers or say enough is enough? There is not just a run on toilet paper and food gun stores are selling out of guns and ammo. Photos of lines out in the street and everything completely sold out. China and Russia will surely take note of what this little virus has done to America.I'm not going to lecture people on a forum about paying for pussy, but seriously, I strongly encourage you to read up a little more on COVID-19. This is not the flu or SARS or H1 N1. This is serious shit. A lot of people are going to die AND the economy is going to be fucked. It's just a question of the balance between the two. Please, please look into this stuff beyond the TV news. There's a lot of information out there, and it's grim, not just media hype. Listen to what the actually people who actually work in this field and study pandemics and study viruses are saying. I suspect that people will be more willing to stay home when the death numbers surpass the regular seasonal flu, which will definitely happen. Just a question of how fast.
You should probably go buy some toilet paper lmao.See you at the Bucks game.
RawlSocket
03-22-20, 22:10
Depends on what Dr you listen to none seem to agree. Regular flu is. 3% fatal and corona is 1% fatal but you see 2-3% posted to. Normal flu kills 15,000-30,000 if you believe their figures. Personally I've never known or heard of anyone who's died from the flu. I remember swine flu, bird flu, sars, murs, and zikka virus. We survived them all with little damage but this corona 19 the media has gone nuts over. Will result in the first media caused economic depression because they are talking about keeping business shut down for 10-12 more weeks. Plus some type of martial law like New York Calif and Illinois have where your not permitted to leave your home is a possibility. Yeah it will end because 80 degree temps will kill it but that's what June maybe July. Plus how long are people going to stay home with nothing to due before they go bonkers or say enough is enough? There is not just a run on toilet paper and food gun stores are selling out of guns and ammo. Photos of lines out in the street and everything completely sold out. China and Russia will surely take note of what this little virus has done to America.The media will not cause a depression, never has, never will. If you're blaming this on the media then you have your head in the sand. So you never knew anyone that died from flu, so what. It happens man. I had an aunt die from it about 10 years ago. People go "bonkers" as you say because that's what people do. Guess all those people that died in Italy is just media hype.
RawlSocket
03-22-20, 22:11
I'm not going to lecture people on a forum about paying for pussy, but seriously, I strongly encourage you to read up a little more on COVID-19. This is not the flu or SARS or H1 N1. This is serious shit. A lot of people are going to die AND the economy is going to be fucked. It's just a question of the balance between the two. Please, please look into this stuff beyond the TV news. There's a lot of information out there, and it's grim, not just media hype. Listen to what the actually people who actually work in this field and study pandemics and study viruses are saying. I suspect that people will be more willing to stay home when the death numbers surpass the regular seasonal flu, which will definitely happen. Just a question of how fast.Thank you for a voice of reason.
I'm not going to lecture people on a forum about paying for pussy, but seriously, I strongly encourage you to read up a little more on COVID-19. This is not the flu or SARS or H1 N1. This is serious shit. A lot of people are going to die AND the economy is going to be fucked. It's just a question of the balance between the two. Please, please look into this stuff beyond the TV news. There's a lot of information out there, and it's grim, not just media hype. Listen to what the actually people who actually work in this field and study pandemics and study viruses are saying. I suspect that people will be more willing to stay home when the death numbers surpass the regular seasonal flu, which will definitely happen. Just a question of how fast.One explanation that makes alot of sense is there is a Chinese government research lab in the area where this stuff originally began. One of the higher up people there was selling the dead research snakes, rats, and bats to the local wet market as they are called for human consumption. This virus has never been found in humans before but is found primarily in snakes and bats. Maybe the Chinese government weaponized and it got loose because of the idiot selling dead or possibly still live research animals. He was reportedly executed. Yeah it's not the flu it's a virus with a contagious factor on steroids. One person in New Rochelle infected 50 others in a short time period. Whatever the reason the government went from its no big deal in the beginning to what we are seeing now. Death rate is pretty low still but older people are another story, a 102 year old woman survived it. Maybe we should seal our homes with plastic and duct tape and hunker down with our toilet paper and purell sanitizer. No escorts for sure.
The media will not cause a depression, never has, never will. If you're blaming this on the media then you have your head in the sand. So you never knew anyone that died from flu, so what. It happens man. I had an aunt die from it about 10 years ago. People go "bonkers" as you say because that's what people do. Guess all those people that died in Italy is just media hype.Yes people do die from the flu it's just extremely rare. I've heard those numbers for so so many years preaching everyone get those flu shots. Italy embraced the Chinese because they've bought all the clothing factories up in northern Italy. Flights in and out to China 24 -7 plus brought in Chinese workers from the problem area of China to Italy. No travel ban like we did. The old people from nursing homes are literally dying by the truck load. Plus they have socialized health care with 3 times lower amount of emergency rooms per capita compared to USA.
The media is the hoax. Yes, this is serious, not insurmountable. Great depression was worsened by government "shutting down", not becoming proactive, instead stopped spending. This time, while $2+ trillion is a drop in the bucket for our total economy, it is a cushion. I am very anti-government generally, but this is a role to play. This is only a temporary bridge, economically. First, stem the virus. Then reopen. Given the strong foundation we have economically, should spring back to pre-virus levels in a timely basis. 401 K, ugh, but can be back to peak levels in 12 months.I look at it this way for some it's money lost forever and others simply delayed. The restaurants, bars, and hotels it's money lost forever. Say you eat at a certain restaurant 3 times a day are you going to go there 6 or 10 times a day after this is over? So certain types of business are really screwed and their employees especially those who depend on tips. Lots of places I'm afraid will be forced out but time will tell. No thousand bucks or 2 thousand will stop this. Every business is hurting I ask.
Sanctimonious6
03-22-20, 23:24
One explanation that makes alot of sense is there is a Chinese government research lab in the area where this stuff originally began. Um, no it doesn't make sense. It's one of a million absurd conspiracy theories.
Whatever the reason the government went from its no big deal in the beginning to what we are seeing now.The question is why the USA Federal government stayed on "no big deal" for so long when they already had the intel that it was going to be bad. We should have started these containment measures a month earlier. If I was going to be conspiracy minded, I would say maybe it had something to do with giving certain powerful people time to dump stocks and make other financial moves.
Death rate is pretty lowSay what? If it turns out to be 1% (which is not a very precise estimate at this point), that is very, very high. As as been mentioned, 10 x the mortality rate for regular flu.
Maybe we should seal our homes with plastic and duct tape and hunker down with our toilet paper and purell sanitizer.Or just not congregate any more than absolutely necessary. BTW a pro tip: You don't need Purell at home. Soap and water actually works better. Hand sanitizer is for when you don't have water handy.
No escorts for sure.That, my friend, is very good advice. Guys are going to do what they're going to do, but diddling high-volume hos is a great way to keep this virus around and spreading for a good long time.
Okay, I'm done. I realize this is a stupid place to be having this conversation. My parting advice to those of you still in denial: Skip the toilet paper and instead stock up on your favorite jerkoff lube to get through an extended *****-free period.
I'm not going to argue about what started this. It doesn't affect what we need to do NOW.
But please, consider this plea from somebody that's been in this hobby in this town for 12+ years and has ties to healthcare. PLEASE lay low and avoid non-essential interactions these next 10-14 days.
Why just 10-14 days? Because after that time it'll be fucking obvious that you should, and you won't need anybody to nudge you into doing the right thing.
Peter North 9
03-23-20, 13:28
Um, no it doesn't make sense. It's one of a million absurd conspiracy theories.
The question is why the USA Federal government stayed on "no big deal" for so long when they already had the intel that it was going to be bad. We should have started these containment measures a month earlier. If I was going to be conspiracy minded, I would say maybe it had something to do with giving certain powerful people time to dump stocks and make other financial moves.
Say what? If it turns out to be 1% (which is not a very precise estimate at this point), that is very, very high. As as been mentioned, 10 x the mortality rate for regular flu.
Or just not congregate any more than absolutely necessary. BTW a pro tip: You don't need Purell at home. Soap and water actually works better. Hand sanitizer is for when you don't have water handy.
That, my friend, is very good advice. Guys are going to do what they're going to do, but diddling high-volume hos is a great way to keep this virus around and spreading for a good long time.
Okay, I'm done. I realize this is a stupid place to be having this conversation. My parting advice to those of you still in denial: Skip the toilet paper and instead stock up on your favorite jerkoff lube to get through an extended *****-free period.So let me get this straight: People who participate in one of the most riskiest ventures out there have now suddenly become risk adverse?
Let's review the risks of the hobby in a normal environment:
Health. Can catch some pretty serious viruses and infections, even if you try to play safe. Or, get beat up, or worse, in a rip-off situation.
Legal. Get caught by LE in a sting or a raid, you got problems. Not to mention your name and picture plastered on the internet and in the newspaper.
Personal. Get caught by your SO, or, the occasional post by some guy who says he passed an STD on to his SO.
So now you are worried about a virus. This morning the Milwaukee paper online said there were 400 know cases in Wisconsin, out of 5. 8 million residents. That is about. 00007% of the population.
I am actually not downplaying the seriousness of this virus, especially since I am in the age group that can die if they catch it. I am fascinated by the way many of you think.
Sanctimonious6
03-23-20, 15:18
So let me get this straight: People who participate in one of the most riskiest ventures out there have now suddenly become risk adverse?Well, I'm hoping people will understand the difference between endangering their own well-being and endangering the well-being of the whole tribe. This isn't about individual risk aversion.
Looks like our wonderful governor is out to completely destroy Wisconsin. Hope to many governor do not follow his example and destroy the whole countries economy or what's left of it. I'm waiting for people to figure out the banks could/will fail and make a run on them. Grocery stores should again be cleaned out with Evers new order which is completely unconstitutional according to lawyers on the radio. FDIC insurance will cover 10% bank failure rate but the government does have the printing presses. They are going to need them economists are predicting a 30-50 trillion dollar bailout may be needed if this goes on 3 months. What if it's back next year the crazy preppers might not be so crazy. Stock market has lost a third does anybody think it will not loose 2/3 at a minimum. That's the number I'm hearing at a minimum. 1929 it lost 90% with 30% unemployment. They are predicting 30% unemployment for Wisconsin the rest of the year. (Thank you Evers) As one economist put it a crash comes quickly but recovery takes a decade or more. One thing for certain it's going to be quite a show we are in for. They should of just quarantine those who are severely impacted the senior citizens and nursing homes. All staff required to stay on site bring in campers like Katrina. Call out the national guard to deliver groceries to seniors and those with weak immune systems or breathing difficulties. Healthy people under 65 do not even know they are sick with this virus symptoms are so weak and mild. Now with the illegal stay at home ban in place wonder what providers will do? Get arrested for stealing food?
JoeMomma1954
03-24-20, 07:21
Looks like our wonderful governor is out to completely destroy Wisconsin. Hope to many governor do not follow his example and destroy the whole countries economy or what's left of it. I'm waiting for people to figure out the banks could/will fail and make a run on them. Grocery stores should again be cleaned out with Evers new order which is completely unconstitutional according to lawyers on the radio. FDIC insurance will cover 10% bank failure rate but the government does have the printing presses. They are going to need them economists are predicting a 30-50 trillion dollar bailout may be needed if this goes on 3 months. What if it's back next year the crazy preppers might not be so crazy. Stock market has lost a third does anybody think it will not loose 2/3 at a minimum. That's the number I'm hearing at a minimum. 1929 it lost 90% with 30% unemployment. They are predicting 30% unemployment for Wisconsin the rest of the year. (Thank you Evers) As one economist put it a crash comes quickly but recovery takes a decade or more. One thing for certain it's going to be quite a show we are in for. They should of just quarantine those who are severely impacted the senior citizens and nursing homes. All staff required to stay on site bring in campers like Katrina. Call out the national guard to deliver groceries to seniors and those with weak immune systems or breathing difficulties. Healthy people under 65 do not even know they are sick with this virus symptoms are so weak and mild. Now with the illegal stay at home ban in place wonder what providers will do? Get arrested for stealing food?So please tell us why Evers is doing anything different then the other governors? It is world wide and and not just in WI. Maybe call Trump and tell him him how you would handle this since it seems you know how to handle this. It is effecting everone everywhere. BTW I hate the dems but this is everywhere. Don't be a d bag.
Peter North 9
03-24-20, 08:45
So please tell us why Evers is doing anything different then the other governors? It is world wide and and not just in WI. Maybe call Trump and tell him him how you would handle this since it seems you know how to handle this. It is effecting everone everywhere. BTW I hate the dems but this is everywhere. Don't be a d bag.The mayor isn't being a d-bag. Without economic activity, the government has no tax revenue. No tax revenue means no services, like health services. People not working means they will rely on the government for their health care. If health care workers can't be paid, think they will show up for work? Government printing fake money will not work, plenty of historical evidence to back this up. We have to find a balance on this, and that has to come sooner rather than later. The healthy people (like the 99%) are not going to put up with this much longer. Wisconsin's situation is no where near a total "stay at home" order. This is flat out ignorance on the part of Evers and his staff.
Sanctimonious6
03-24-20, 08:49
Looks like our wonderful governor is out to completely destroy Wisconsin. Hope to many governor do not follow his example and destroy the whole countries economy or what's left of it. I'm waiting for people to figure out the banks could/will fail and make a run on them. Grocery stores should again be cleaned out with Evers new order which is completely unconstitutional according to lawyers on the radio. FDIC insurance will cover 10% bank failure rate but the government does have the printing presses. They are going to need them economists are predicting a 30-50 trillion dollar bailout may be needed if this goes on 3 months. What if it's back next year the crazy preppers might not be so crazy. Stock market has lost a third does anybody think it will not loose 2/3 at a minimum. That's the number I'm hearing at a minimum. 1929 it lost 90% with 30% unemployment. They are predicting 30% unemployment for Wisconsin the rest of the year. (Thank you Evers) As one economist put it a crash comes quickly but recovery takes a decade or more. One thing for certain it's going to be quite a show we are in for. They should of just quarantine those who are severely impacted the senior citizens and nursing homes. All staff required to stay on site bring in campers like Katrina. Call out the national guard to deliver groceries to seniors and those with weak immune systems or breathing difficulties. Healthy people under 65 do not even know they are sick with this virus symptoms are so weak and mild. Now with the illegal stay at home ban in place wonder what providers will do? Get arrested for stealing food?You realize our health care system is about to be completely overwhelmed, right? That's going to happen regardless of how aggressively governments act to slow the spread. If they do not take aggressive action now, the health care system will be overwhelmed much faster, with no time to expand their capacity to treat people. We're already worse off because they dragged their feet for so long. A lot more people will die. The economy is fucked either way. I'll never support prioritizing this abstract thing called "the economy" over the lives of actual people. The idea that there's an acceptable number of deaths we should tolerate in order to prop up the stock market is disgusting. During a pandemic, you do everything you can to contain the spread. Unless you're an unscrupulous official who uses inside info about it not yet available to the public to sell off stock; if you're one of those horrible people, you stall, and then propose policies that will kill off hundreds of thousands of people unnecessarily. Sacrificing lives to avoid financial meltdown is a slippery slope. What will you propose next. Killing off people with disabilities because they're a drag on the economy? Wait, don't answer. I'm afraid of what you might say.
WizardOfAahs
03-24-20, 09:21
Yes people do die from the flu it's just extremely rare. I've heard those numbers for so so many years preaching everyone get those flu shots.Just follow the "Weekly Respiratory Virus Surveillance Report, P-02346" link on the Wisconsin Dept of Health Services page:
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/influenza/index.htm
Either get pussy or don't. None of the other political garbage is worth discussing.
Keep them off, if your not after pussy, go the hell elsewhere with your soapbox.
Looks like our wonderful governor is out to completely destroy Wisconsin. Hope to many governor do not follow his example and destroy the whole countries economy or what's left of it. I'm waiting for people to figure out the banks could/will fail and make a run on them. Grocery stores should again be cleaned out with Evers new order which is completely unconstitutional according to lawyers on the radio. FDIC insurance will cover 10% bank failure rate but the government does have the printing presses. They are going to need them economists are predicting a 30-50 trillion dollar bailout may be needed if this goes on 3 months. What if it's back next year the crazy preppers might not be so crazy. Stock market has lost a third does anybody think it will not loose 2/3 at a minimum. That's the number I'm hearing at a minimum. 1929 it lost 90% with 30% unemployment. They are predicting 30% unemployment for Wisconsin the rest of the year. (Thank you Evers) As one economist put it a crash comes quickly but recovery takes a decade or more. One thing for certain it's going to be quite a show we are in for. They should of just quarantine those who are severely impacted the senior citizens and nursing homes. All staff required to stay on site bring in campers like Katrina. Call out the national guard to deliver groceries to seniors and those with weak immune systems or breathing difficulties. Healthy people under 65 do not even know they are sick with this virus symptoms are so weak and mild. Now with the illegal stay at home ban in place wonder what providers will do? Get arrested for stealing food?Evers is just trying to help fix what our wonderful president created!
GottaHaveSum
03-25-20, 07:19
Evers is just trying to help fix what our wonderful president created!Evers = Stupid Shit in Madison.
Evers = Stupid Shit in Madison.GottaHaveSome = Stupider shit in Madison
So far, my own reaction to the virus is I hunt about the same amount (all the fucking time) but I'm much more gun shy about pulling the trigger. And I use any excuse to bail when I'm still dumb enough to get close.
From all the providers I've contacted, asking rates and so forth, there's no impact on pricing. That's surprising to me. For instance, here's Molly:
yes i am.
200$ hr
140$ 30 min
100$ qv.What has anyone else observed?
GottaHaveSum
03-25-20, 13:10
GottaHaveSome = Stupider shit in MadisonAndy54 = Stupidest Shit in Madison! Ha ha.
Sanctimonious6
03-25-20, 13:24
The number of why'all continuing to see hos while we're trying to get a pandemic under control is probably the strongest evidence ever of guys' tendency to think with their dicks instead of their brains. Not that we needed any more evidence.
Evers = Stupid Shit in Madison.Yep 600 people have Corona virus and 6 have died = 1% death rate shut Wisconsin down and keep it shut down. 10,000 who thought they had it tested negative. No worse than the ordinary flu. Did we ever shut the entire country or state down because of the flu?
So far, my own reaction to the virus is I hunt about the same amount (all the fucking time) but I'm much more gun shy about pulling the trigger. And I use any excuse to bail when I'm still dumb enough to get close.
From all the providers I've contacted, asking rates and so forth, there's no impact on pricing. That's surprising to me. For instance, here's Molly:
What has anyone else observed?The providers are busier than ever because of everything shut down and nothing to do and nowhere to go. Guys are bored or getting bored.
RawlSocket
03-26-20, 09:45
Yep 600 people have Corona virus and 6 have died = 1% death rate shut Wisconsin down and keep it shut down. 10,000 who thought they had it tested negative. No worse than the ordinary flu. Did we ever shut the entire country or state down because of the flu?Jesus christ, you really don't get it. The biggest reason is so our hospitals are not overwhelmed. Things are stretched to the limit now. Please, go out and party with the kids, have fun, show them you know more than the health officials!
So far, my own reaction to the virus is I hunt about the same amount (all the fucking time) but I'm much more gun shy about pulling the trigger. And I use any excuse to bail when I'm still dumb enough to get close.
From all the providers I've contacted, asking rates and so forth, there's no impact on pricing. That's surprising to me. For instance, here's Molly:
What has anyone else observed?I'm getting consistent 120 for half 160-200 for hour.
After I set something up as a last question I ask if they have been sick lately or had flu like symptoms. That's usually the deal breaker and I then get ghosted.
Jesus christ, you really don't get it. The biggest reason is so our hospitals are not overwhelmed. Things are stretched to the limit now. Please, go out and party with the kids, have fun, show them you know more than the health officials!Turns out according to news reports all the state's have been using bogus projections from an English institute. Look at Governor Evers website they are predicting 1600 or 1800 deaths in Wisconsin by April 8th so far we have 8. Reminds me of the SARS scare and Ebola scare a few years ago and millions will die! Just a scam for pork barrel spending "Never let a good crisis go to waste" New York is in criss because their governor and mayor ran so many hospitals out of business there is a real shortage plus the population density there. All the little Hitler's in state and city government are just having fun with that new found power that's gone to their head. A couple weeks this is done and everybody will forget about it.
RawlSocket
03-26-20, 18:54
Turns out according to news reports all the state's have been using bogus projections from an English institute. Look at Governor Evers website they are predicting 1600 or 1800 deaths in Wisconsin by April 8th so far we have 8. Reminds me of the SARS scare and Ebola scare a few years ago and millions will die! Just a scam for pork barrel spending "Never let a good crisis go to waste" New York is in criss because their governor and mayor ran so many hospitals out of business there is a real shortage plus the population density there. All the little Hitler's in state and city government are just having fun with that new found power that's gone to their head. A couple weeks this is done and everybody will forget about it.Since it's easy to see which way you lean politically, I'll check back with you in two weeks and see how little you have to say about how wrong you were. By the way, since your ignorance is on display about ebola, perhaps you should do a little research and understand how it is totally different than this coronavirus.
Since it's easy to see which way you lean politically, I'll check back with you in two weeks and see how little you have to say about how wrong you were. By the way, since your ignorance is on display about ebola, perhaps you should do a little research and understand how it is totally different than this coronavirus.I hope he's right, but I'd bet he will be wrong, but if he's wrong, he'll somehow feel like he's right, just like our so-called leader!
AnotherHobbist
03-26-20, 21:12
New York is in crisis because their governor and mayor ran so many hospitals out of business there is a real shortage plus the population density there.I took a quick look. In Manhattan, there are about 15 K hospital beds for about 5 M people, or 3 hospital beds per 1000 people. In New York State, there are 2. 7 beds per 1000 people. The US average is 2. 4 beds per 1000 people. And Wisconsin is at 2. 1 beds per 1000 people.
It's not the things we don't know, it's the things we know that just ain't so.
Manhattan: https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/nyc-hospitals-lack-beds-best-case-coronavirus-spread-report.
States: https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/beds-by-ownership.
Since it's easy to see which way you lean politically, I'll check back with you in two weeks and see how little you have to say about how wrong you were. By the way, since your ignorance is on display about ebola, perhaps you should do a little research and understand how it is totally different than this coronavirus.Yeah we can check back in 2 weeks and see just the normal handful of people who were already on deaths door have succumbed to corvid19. It's the same old scare tactics they used with Ebola, Murs, and SARS. But hey the important thing is people are watching the media circus. Sure am glad they put 100 million in aid to the Kennedy Performing Arts Center to help stop covid 19 in this 2 trillion package. Its an entertaining time we live in. Far as Ebola it was just another fear mongering story to shake people up exactly like this covid 19.
If you do get it covid 19 expect a low grade fever and dry cough. Probably won't even know you have it. Old people with health problems or those with challenged mmune system are another story. They try to scare people every year into getting the flu shot using all those high death numbers to. I never fall for it and the last time I contracted the flu was 40+ years ago. But hey feel free to follow the advice they put out. I have no interest in doing so. If I get it and die you can have the last laugh!
Since it's easy to see which way you lean politically, I'll check back with you in two weeks and see how little you have to say about how wrong you were. By the way, since your ignorance is on display about ebola, perhaps you should do a little research and understand how it is totally different than this coronavirus.Yeah we can check back in 2 weeks and see just the normal handful of people who were already on deaths door have succumbed to corvid19. It's the same old scare tactics they used with Ebola, Murs, and SARS. But hey the important thing is people are watching the media circus. Sure am glad they put 25 million in aid to the Kennedy Performing Arts Center to help stop covid 19 in this 2 trillion package. Its an entertaining time we live in. Far as Ebola it was just another fear mongering story to shake people up exactly like this covid 19.
If you do get it covid 19 expect a low grade fever and dry cough. Probably won't even know you have it. Old people with health problems or those with challenged mmune system are another story. They try to scare people every year into getting the flu shot using all those high death numbers to. I never fall for it and the last time I contracted the flu was 40+ years ago. But hey feel free to follow the advice they put out. I have no interest in doing so. If I get it and die you can have the last laugh!
Ok this is coming from politifact which used info from CDC dated March 24 2020. The actually death rate from novel corona 19 is 0. 06%. Compared to the average flu which is 0. 01%. A very far cry from the pandemic "crisis" we are hearing 24-7 from the media. Not 1% 2%3% or 5% the numbers the media is using for the death rate, but 0. 06% !
ElevatorMan
03-27-20, 14:33
Its too bad some people here have to mix politics with pussy, some of us would rather be safe than sorry.
The lack of informed opinions on this topic gets really obnoxious. If anyone feels like being informed instead of posting opinions and sounding like an idiot, here's a really good article I read the other day that discussed the how, what, and why, what's happening and what's going to happen. Helps put the real danger into perspective because a lot of you just don't get it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/
AnotherHobbist
03-27-20, 17:08
Ok this is coming from politifact which used info from CDC dated March 24 2020. The actually death rate from novel corona 19 is 0. 06%. Compared to the average flu which is 0. 01%. A very far cry from the pandemic "crisis" we are hearing 24-7 from the media. Not 1% 2%3% or 5% the numbers the media is using for the death rate, but 0. 06% !
Would you mind posting a link? I don't see that claim on the politifact web site.
Ok this is coming from politifact which used info from CDC dated March 24 2020. The actually death rate from novel corona 19 is 0. 06%. Compared to the average flu which is 0. 01%. A very far cry from the pandemic "crisis" we are hearing 24-7 from the media. Not 1% 2%3% or 5% the numbers the media is using for the death rate, but 0. 06% !Those numbers are all guesses because no one knows how many people actually caught it because they have officially given up on wide spread testing. You're trying to measure the immeasurable, and then drawing conclusions based on guesses. Maybe in a couple years we'll actually have a little solid data.
Some newer reports are claiming some of the tests from China had successful detection rates 30-50% of the time.
LumberJack5555
03-27-20, 21:56
Turns out according to news reports all the state's have been using bogus projections from an English institute. Look at Governor Evers website they are predicting 1600 or 1800 deaths in Wisconsin by April 8th so far we have 8. Reminds me of the SARS scare and Ebola scare a few years ago and millions will die! Just a scam for pork barrel spending "Never let a good crisis go to waste" New York is in criss because their governor and mayor ran so many hospitals out of business there is a real shortage plus the population density there. All the little Hitler's in state and city government are just having fun with that new found power that's gone to their head. A couple weeks this is done and everybody will forget about it.The argument that the English study is bogus fails. The World renowned epidemiologist gave those high numbers based on the President or governors NOT DOING ANYTHING. They were a worst case scenario projection. He went on to say those numbers could be significantly lower if political leaders acted quickly and forcefully. South Korea did. They got a lot of people tested in a hurry. So did Hong Kong. What's so insidious about covid-19 is that people can carry it and spread it for days even though they feel fine. I had hoped that Evers would have acted a few days sooner. Living in Dane County, we are likely to be in a hot spot as we have a lot of people who travel for pleasure and for business. Eventually, it will spread outward from the larger metropolitan areas to the smaller and less densely populated cities and towns. But by acting sooner than later, we slow the spread and help to cut it off. At the very least, we give the hospital workers a fighting chance.
The flu argument is also cockeyed. When was the last time you heard of our medical system overwhelmed by the flu? Not. That's because covid-19 spreads so easily through oral droplets. Moreover, the fact that so many people die of the flu each year makes that any more acceptable than this. Perhaps we should have been paying more attention to preventing that as well. The same could be said of auto accidents and gun deaths. Those wrongs do not make what is happening with covid-19 right or acceptable.
So take your chances boys. I for one, cannot. I'll leave it to the hand for a while. Asking a girl if she's been sick recently is no assurance your not taking a risk. In fact, you are risking catching it. And worse, you are selfishly risking the rest of the community the you live in. OUT.
Ok this is coming from politifact which used info from CDC dated March 24 2020. The actually death rate from novel corona 19 is 0. 06%. Compared to the average flu which is 0. 01%. A very far cry from the pandemic "crisis" we are hearing 24-7 from the media. Not 1% 2%3% or 5% the numbers the media is using for the death rate, but 0. 06% !"3. 5 percent mortality rate is looking more like 10% in Italy with 89 k cases and 9100 dead. We are just barley getting started. Our death rate has been increasing daily by 25% as well as conformed cases. According to this trend we will reach 4000 dead per / day in 3 weeks. The infection spread is not actually represented accurately due to lack of screening of the populace. What we are seeing for confirmed cases is the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. Based on known cases and death rates alone and data coming from Italy our country will have a minimum of 121 million cases over 12 months at 3. 5 % mortality that is conservatively 4. 6 million deaths. Ok not buying the death rate? Cut it in half. 2. 3 million deaths. And these numbers are based on only 40% of the population getting infected. The projections are 40 to 70 %. The high side is 8 million dead. Ok cut that in half. 4 million dead. And that is just the 1st wave of the virus. The second wave (which is a signature of novel viruses) will be worse. LOOK AT ITALY. Our numbers are bunk, the tip of the iceberg. When we hit 4000 per day in the next three weeks get back to me. " When this goes full swing in India?! Holy hell poor nation. Crowding, crap healthcare. Thenubers coming out of China are being totally suppressed. As they will try to do here.
Would you mind posting a link? I don't see that claim on the politifact web site.Just type: politifact Ron Paul wrong to say no basis for corona virus death rate to Google the 0. 06% death rate from CDC is in the last paragraph. I also found on politifact another fact check showing the South Korea outbreak was 0. 06 as well. Third world country like China was over 2%.
Just type: politifact Ron Paul wrong to say no basis for corona virus death rate to Google the 0. 06% death rate from CDC is in the last paragraph. I also found on politifact another fact check showing the South Korea outbreak was 0. 06 as well. Third world country like China was over 2%.I'm pretty sure there was an error in their posted "correction". If you look at the article, the percentage that they had previously quoted as 0. 00006% was for the seasonal flu, not covid.
If you look at the cached version of the page from March 22nd, you'll clearly see that the seasonal's flu mortality rate was the one being mis-quoted (and subsequently corrected).
https://web.archive.org/web/20200322064528/https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/18/ron-paul/ron-paul-wrong-say-no-basis-coronavirus-death-rate/
By the way, I pray that you're right, and that our reaction is more than necessary. However, nobody right now (including our President or any other government agency) suggests we should slow down the isolation measures anytime in these next 2 weeks. Wouldn't it be prudent to go by *everyone's* advice right now, and maybe re-assess where we are when the facts are more clear by then? If we need to loosen up, that's great, but if we need to keep going at least we won't have wasted time.
AnotherHobbist
03-28-20, 01:54
Just type: politifact Ron Paul wrong to say no basis for corona virus death rate to Google the 0. 06% death rate from CDC is in the last paragraph.You may want to re-read that page. It seems to me that they mis-spoke in the correction at the bottom. The page says:
The latest daily report on COVID-19 from the World Health Organization, issued March 16, 2020, said there have been 167,515 confirmed cases and 6,606 deaths. Thats a death rate of 3.9%.
The flu death rate is much lower.
In its latest weekly report on the 2019-20 flu, for the week ending March 7, 2020, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates there have been 36 million flu illnesses and 22,000 deaths. Thats a rate of 0.06%.
And the correction says:
Correction, March 24, 2020: CDC estimates have indicated a COVID-19 death rate of 0.06%, not 0.0006%, as we originally reported. This fact-check has been updated with the correct figure.
So the value corrected was for the FLU rate.
They give you URLs for the source WHO/CDC reports for both of these numbers, if you want to follow them up. I did. And the numbers quoted in the body of the page are correct, so the correction mis-states what was corrected.
The page was: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/18/ron-paul/ron-paul-wrong-say-no-basis-coronavirus-death-rate/.
"3. 5 percent mortality rate is looking more like 10% in Italy with 89 k cases and 9100 dead.The mortality rate is inflated because lack of testing has the morbidity rate showing too low.
I'm not a doc, nor do I play one on tv but I do like to wager and my money says that the morbidity rate is going to be 1000 X of "confirmed" cases which means that the decimal point on the true mortality rate is going to move over a couple spots. I'm not a doc and I live in a country that is on complete lockdown and I'm respecting it. That doesn't mean I'm agreeing with what they are saying about the data. In both China and Italy the overwhelming number of morbidity was over 60 and the same with mortality.
Distribution of cases by age: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1103023/coronavirus-cases-distribution-by-age-group-italy/.
Distribution of deaths by age: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/.
Probably a lot more younger people have it but like they said at the beginning of this thing which has now become politically incorrect to say "the majority of people will not know they have it" so the morbidity distribution showing in that chart is probably wrong and it's probably more equal across the board. That doesn't change the distribution of mortality though, it's kind of easy to not recognize somebody who's asymptomatic but people tend to notice dead bodies.
What about letting old people lay up in luxury resorts while getting fed peeled grapes and caviar omelettes from screened half naked beautiful celebrities and the rest of the people just get on with their business? Then when there is a vaccine grandma and grandpa can go home.
Just saying, maybe there is a middle path.
A2
Thanks for keeping this off the review threads.
RawlSocket
03-28-20, 09:33
Yeah we can check back in 2 weeks and see just the normal handful of people who were already on deaths door have succumbed to corvid19. It's the same old scare tactics they used with Ebola, Murs, and SARS. But hey the important thing is people are watching the media circus. Sure am glad they put 25 million in aid to the Kennedy Performing Arts Center to help stop covid 19 in this 2 trillion package. Its an entertaining time we live in. Far as Ebola it was just another fear mongering story to shake people up exactly like this covid 19.
If you do get it covid 19 expect a low grade fever and dry cough. Probably won't even know you have it. Old people with health problems or those with challenged mmune system are another story. They try to scare people every year into getting the flu shot using all those high death numbers to. I never fall for it and the last time I contracted the flu was 40+ years ago. But hey feel free to follow the advice they put out. I have no interest in doing so. If I get it and die you can have the last laugh!I can assume from your posts you probably never get a flu shot, you probably believe it causes the flu. Anti-vaxxer too? I see you didn't do any research on ebola. Yeah, if we don't get it, it's not important.
I can assume from your posts you probably never get a flu shot, you probably believe it causes the flu. Anti-vaxxer too? I see you didn't do any research on ebola. Yeah, if we don't get it, it's not important.Didn't need many vaccines back in the 1960's as everyone had already caught every disease. They were not big on vaccination back then. Everyone caught measles, mumps, and whooping cough. Chicken pox was very common to I can't remember if I had a vaccination or not but I never caught that one. And guess what no one died from them either that I was aware of at least in my area. They did give us the polio sugar cube and a smallpox shot. Oh I received a mumps shot to but most of all the kids contracted mumps before I got the shot. It was a different time back then Drs. Never recommended vaccination back then. Somehow we all survived these common childhood diseases like our parents and grandparents did. I did hear stories growing up about the polio epidemic from old timers. Everyone stayed at home inside like the current situation. I regard poltifacts numbers as correct if they are wrong they will correct them. Polifact leans more to the left if they could make things look worse they would have. I spent several hours trying to find a universal number and numbers were all over the place. As one sciencetist said we won't know the actual rate until it's over. It's over in South Korea and politifact stated 0. 06 death rate for them. And China reports a 2% death rate. For you conspiracy guys 21 million cellphone numbers have gone quite in China for some reason. Can't pay the bill due to the shutdown? Or they died? Ebola was a reference to the media madness that occurred back just like we see today. Did see covid is much much worse for people who smoke cigarettes or pot. Vaping was another no no. Smoking crack or meth also had devastating implications. Opiate use was also mentioned as bad. There go 90% of the escorts. The only thing I'm doing is avoiding going to a populated area like Madison where your more likely to contract this. Same as I would do if if their was a flu outbreak.
"3. 5 percent mortality rate is looking more like 10% in Italy with 89 k cases and 9100 dead. We are just barley getting started. Our death rate has been increasing daily by 25% as well as conformed cases. According to this trend we will reach 4000 dead per / day in 3 weeks. The infection spread is not actually represented accurately due to lack of screening of the populace. What we are seeing for confirmed cases is the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. Based on known cases and death rates alone and data coming from Italy our country will have a minimum of 121 million cases over 12 months at 3. 5 % mortality that is conservatively 4. 6 million deaths. Ok not buying the death rate? Cut it in half. 2. 3 million deaths. And these numbers are based on only 40% of the population getting infected. The projections are 40 to 70 %. The high side is 8 million dead. Ok cut that in half. 4 million dead. And that is just the 1st wave of the virus. The second wave (which is a signature of novel viruses) will be worse. LOOK AT ITALY. Our numbers are bunk, the tip of the iceberg. When we hit 4000 per day in the next three weeks get back to me. " When this goes full swing in India?! Holy hell poor nation. Crowding, crap healthcare. Thenubers coming out of China are being totally suppressed. As they will try to do here.Italy has an extremely poor example of socialized health care absolutely horrible. For anyone over 60 like me no they gave you to the wolves. No treatment at all for those over 60 other than pain medication so you didn't suffer while dying. They allowed Chinese citizens to keep entering Italy. That Meditoranian diet makes for lots of old people. Huge disaster fo Italy. Makes you wonder about India over a billion people and only 1000 cases last report.
Sanctimonious6
03-28-20, 18:25
It's over in South Korea and politifact stated 0. 06 death rate for them. Regardless of whose numbers one believes, South Korea is being held up as the model for dealing with COVID-19 intelligently. They moved swiftly and aggressively as soon as there were indications that the virus had spread to their country. They tested tons of people right away and isolated those who had it. If we had done that instead of dicking around in denial for 6 weeks, the USA Wouldn't now have the most cases in the world, by a growing margin. And everybody could get back to work much sooner. But our so-called leaders really botched it.
RawlSocket
03-28-20, 19:27
Didn't need many vaccines back in the 1960's as everyone had already caught every disease. They were not big on vaccination back then. Everyone caught measles, mumps, and whooping cough. Chicken pox was very common to I can't remember if I had a vaccination or not but I never caught that one. And guess what no one died from them either that I was aware of at least in my area. They did give us the polio sugar cube and a smallpox shot. Oh I received a mumps shot to but most of all the kids contracted mumps before I got the shot. It was a different time back then Drs. Never recommended vaccination back then. Somehow we all survived these common childhood diseases like our parents and grandparents did. I did hear stories growing up about the polio epidemic from old timers. Everyone stayed at home inside like the current situation. I regard poltifacts numbers as correct if they are wrong they will correct them. Polifact leans more to the left if they could make things look worse they would have. I spent several hours trying to find a universal number and numbers were all over the place. As one sciencetist said we won't know the actual rate until it's over. It's over in South Korea and politifact stated 0. 06 death rate for them. And China reports a 2% death rate. For you conspiracy guys 21 million cellphone numbers have gone quite in China for some reason. Can't pay the bill due to the shutdown? Or they died? Ebola was a reference to the media madness that occurred back just like we see today. Did see covid is much much worse for people who smoke cigarettes or pot. Vaping was another no no. Smoking crack or meth also had devastating implications. Opiate use was also mentioned as bad. There go 90% of the escorts. The only thing I'm doing is avoiding going to a populated area like Madison where your more likely to contract this. Same as I would do if if their was a flu outbreak.Your ignorance is showing. I have no idea where you grew up, but in the 60's "everyone" didn't have the diseases you reference.
And in certain people they can all be deadly, especially measles. No doctor in their right mind then or now would not recommend vaccines. And the reason you're not sure if you got a vaccine for chicken pox is that there wasn't one until the mid nineties. Since your unsure about that, the rest of your post should be taken with a grain of salt.
Regardless of whose numbers one believes, South Korea is being held up as the model for dealing with COVID-19 intelligently. They moved swiftly and aggressively as soon as there were indications that the virus had spread to their country. They tested tons of people right away and isolated those who had it. If we had done that instead of dicking around in denial for 6 weeks, the USA Wouldn't now have the most cases in the world, by a growing margin. And everybody could get back to work much sooner. But our so-called leaders really botched it.Amen brother I'm just getting over the disease 3rd day no fever was tough and go for a few days.
I dicked around w / 3 doc visited until I demanded the test.
Only to wait 9 days for results.
He can spin it al he wants but the dRump asswipe called it a hoax.
It wasn't a hoax to me lying in a hospital bed.
Your ignorance is showing. I have no idea where you grew up, but in the 60's "everyone" didn't have the diseases you reference.
And in certain people they can all be deadly, especially measles. No doctor in their right mind then or now would not recommend vaccines. And the reason you're not sure if you got a vaccine for chicken pox is that there wasn't one until the mid nineties. Since your unsure about that, the rest of your post should be taken with a grain of salt.Your ignorance is on display now LOL. I grew up about 30 miles from Madison. Clearly you know nothing how it was back then. You received your vaccinations at school in the gym usually did the whole school in 2 days. They brought in 3 nurse to do the vaccinating. You could get an exemption if you already had the disease. Trust me I lived it and went through it all. Forgot we got a tb vaccination to. All shots were for each specific disease individually. Everyone stood in line you sat in a chair and the nurse gave the shot. I know every kid in the school had measles because it spread like crazy. One kid caught it then everyone soon had it. You had to stay in a darkened room when you had it. And no one died or suffered any type complications from measles. With mumps guys had to stay in bed so they wouldn't go down on you. Use your imagination on that. No doctors were ever worried about those normal childhood diseases. Guess us kids weren't a bunch of snowflakes back in those days. Educate yourself a little on how it was. Humanity survived for thousands years without handsanitzer and modern medicine. Oh even msnbc had a report the corona virus death rate is 0. 15 . Guessing only NSA know the real truth.
Amen brother I'm just getting over the disease 3rd day no fever was tough and go for a few days.
I dicked around w / 3 doc visited until I demanded the test.
Only to wait 9 days for results.
He can spin it al he wants but the dRump asswipe called it a hoax.
It wasn't a hoax to me lying in a hospital bed.Trump didn't claim Covid was a hoax. Maybe you shouldn't believe every out of context tv ad you see.
What's True.
During a Feb. 28,2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax. " During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.
What's False.
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.
Sanctimonious6
03-29-20, 09:14
Trump didn't claim Covid was a hoax. Maybe you shouldn't believe every out of context tv ad you see.
What's True.
During a Feb. 28,2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax. " During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.
What's False.
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.I have to reluctantly agree on this narrow point, but it amounts to nitpicking. Trump's response was to do nothing for weeks. Fwiw, Snopes is a much better fact-checking site than Politifact, which gets stuff wrong all the time. Snopes is the gold standard and is not politically biased.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
He didn't just do nothing, though. While he didn't specifically call it a hoax, he did tell people it was nothing to worry about. He said it would go away when it got warm outside, in effect, that this would resolve itself naturally in a timely manner while he had people around him to tell him otherwise.
He also disbanded the pandemic response team we enacted after the ebola scare a few years ago. We had some measure of governmental infrastructure to combat this exact situation and chose to dismiss it.
We could have reacted to this new disease in December. China had a novel disease that people had been predicting would emerge for years; and dragged its feet about officially declaring its existence until December 31st. Trump dismissed this as a threat to American lives and our economy for months. We could have done something to protect ourselves, and we did not.
Mediocre.
BustOne608
03-29-20, 11:16
This thread is a waste of time and should be deleted.
This thread is a waste of time and should be deleted.The politics in this thread are a waste. Enough with the stupid babble.
Reporting on Stupid Shit is a good idea. Some of it is funny at times.
This thread is a waste of time and should be deleted.Is it not sufficiently labeled?
I have to reluctantly agree on this narrow point, but it amounts to nitpicking. Trump's response was to do nothing for weeks. Fwiw, Snopes is a much better fact-checking site than Politifact, which gets stuff wrong all the time. Snopes is the gold standard and is not politically biased.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/Except when he stopped travel from China early on and was chastised by the media and Biden for being hysterical and racist?
AsiaPhileJake1
03-29-20, 12:24
This thread is a waste of time and should be deleted.Thank you for the laugh I needed that.
On a much better note I'm considering taking a trip south. I was going to just hunker down through this but my addiction has me craving some Asian pussy. I know I have some good options but the travel itself could be another fence to climb. My work is considered essential so there is always the travel for business. They are predicting things are just going to get worse so it might be to my best interest just to stay put and eat some cheddar.
Sanctimonious6
03-29-20, 12:40
Except when he stopped travel from China early on and was chastised by the media and Biden for being hysterical and racist?"Trump's order did not fully "close" the USA Off to China, as he asserts. It temporarily barred entry by foreign nationals who had traveled in China within the previous 14 days, with exceptions for the immediate family of USA Citizens and permanent residents. ".
https://apnews.com/0dc271ad7f7917374a5a0cfb49273783
"Trump's order did not fully "close" the USA Off to China, as he asserts. It temporarily barred entry by foreign nationals who had traveled in China within the previous 14 days, with exceptions for the immediate family of USA Citizens and permanent residents. ".
https://apnews.com/0dc271ad7f7917374a5a0cfb49273783Yet the media went crazy.
Trump didn't claim Covid was a hoax. Maybe you shouldn't believe every out of context tv ad you see.
What's True.
During a Feb. 28,2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax. " During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.
What's False.
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.We have the most confirmed cases in the world and we had like several weeks to prepare. We have more than fucking China and the outbreak literally started in one of their cities. They had literally zero time to prepare, their country is roughly the same size and they have like 5 x the population. That is completely outrageous and pathetic and embarrassing. The trump admin has completely screwed the pooch on this and American citizens are paying the price. Honestly if you're still backing trump at this point I just don't know what to say to you.
LoveSmallPerky
03-29-20, 19:58
He didn't just do nothing, though. While he didn't specifically call it a hoax, he did tell people it was nothing to worry about. He said it would go away when it got warm outside, in effect, that this would resolve itself naturally in a timely manner while he had people around him to tell him otherwise.
He also disbanded the pandemic response team we enacted after the ebola scare a few years ago. We had some measure of governmental infrastructure to combat this exact situation and chose to dismiss it.
We could have reacted to this new disease in December. China had a novel disease that people had been predicting would emerge for years; and dragged its feet about officially declaring its existence until December 31st. Trump dismissed this as a threat to American lives and our economy for months. We could have done something to protect ourselves, and we did not.
Mediocre.Not trying to argue, just pointing out the media is twisting and mostly inaccurate. That statement about calling it a hoax has been twisted by the media and has been proven to be twisted. Trump's comment was calling the Democrat comments their next hoax, not the virus being a hoax.
You should also do some research on the pandemic response which was created during the Bush administration in 05. It has been pointed out by many of the liberal, LA Times / Bloomberg, that Obama depleted many of the N95 masks during the H1 N1 outbreak but never replenished it.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/los-angeles-times-and-bloomberg-news-federal-stockpile-of-n95-masks-was-depleted-under-obama-and-never-restocked
Peter North 9
03-29-20, 23:12
We have the most confirmed cases in the world and we had like several weeks to prepare. We have more than fucking China and the outbreak literally started in one of their cities. They had literally zero time to prepare, their country is roughly the same size and they have like 5 x the population. That is completely outrageous and pathetic and embarrassing. The trump admin has completely screwed the pooch on this and American citizens are paying the price. Honestly if you're still backing trump at this point I just don't know what to say to you.Chinese have been lying and covering up the truth on this thing since the beginning, and still are. Cases are still popping up over there, the word has been trickling out. If any of you want to be a useful idiot for the Chinese Communist Party, go ahead and embarrass yourself. Will the Chinese ever be held accountable for what they have done to the world? Don't hold your breath. If you have anger over this, it should be directed that way.
Chinese have been lying and covering up the truth on this thing since the beginning, and still are. Cases are still popping up over there, the word has been trickling out. If any of you want to be a useful idiot for the Chinese Communist Party, go ahead and embarrass yourself. Will the Chinese ever be held accountable for what they have done to the world? Don't hold your breath. If you have anger over this, it should be directed that way.South Korea which was being praised for their handling of covid 19 is seeing a rapid rise in new cases. If all of April suffers a continuation of this shutdown I'm getting very worried. Which Trump announced will likely happen. I'm not worried about the virus but the economy. A friend in the banking industry has told me people have begun withdwithdrawing money and cashing in cds. Not a good sign after what happened in grocery stores. Pretty easy to see home invasions for food and money if the economy continues this downward nose dive. Other parts of country police will not respond to break-ins, theft, or physical assault.
He didn't just do nothing, though. While he didn't specifically call it a hoax, he did tell people it was nothing to worry about. He said it would go away when it got warm outside, in effect, that this would resolve itself naturally in a timely manner while he had people around him to tell him otherwise.
He also disbanded the pandemic response team we enacted after the ebola scare a few years ago. We had some measure of governmental infrastructure to combat this exact situation and chose to dismiss it.
We could have reacted to this new disease in December. China had a novel disease that people had been predicting would emerge for years; and dragged its feet about officially declaring its existence until December 31st. Trump dismissed this as a threat to American lives and our economy for months. We could have done something to protect ourselves, and we did not.
Mediocre.Plenty of blame to go around going back to past Presidents and Trump to. Hindsight being 2020 no body knows the future and this covid 19 is off wall crazy for panic. SARS had a 10% death rate and MERS was 30%. Every country dropped the ball on this. Bet you see much of manufacturing come back to US from China. That's if anything is left of the economy. China is the real bad guy with everything that's happened.
Plenty of blame to go around going back to past Presidents and Trump to. Hindsight being 2020 no body knows the future and this covid 19 is off wall crazy for panic. SARS had a 10% death rate and MERS was 30%. Every country dropped the ball on this. Bet you see much of manufacturing come back to US from China. That's if anything is left of the economy. China is the real bad guy with everything that's happened.The real drawback to Bringing manufacturing back to the United States is who will we hire?, wait till the factories start needing people.
We have the most confirmed cases in the world and we had like several weeks to prepare. We have more than fucking China and the outbreak literally started in one of their cities. They had literally zero time to prepare, their country is roughly the same size and they have like 5 x the population. That is completely outrageous and pathetic and embarrassing. The trump admin has completely screwed the pooch on this and American citizens are paying the price. Honestly if you're still backing trump at this point I just don't know what to say to you.So you think all the countries are testing at the same level as the US? And you believe that countries like China are reporting all thier cases? After all they have so open and upfront about this virus right from the start. It is a huge leap to assume that the most reported cases reflects an accurate picture of where the virus is most widespread. If believing that makes you feel better because it supports your political views go for it.
Might want to check out data, according to this source, 1st case was Jan 10 in China and 1st case Jan 20 here. Can also click on column heads to see data sorted different ways like by millions of population etc.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Sanctimonious6
03-30-20, 10:18
South Korea which was being praised for their handling of covid 19 is seeing a rapid rise in new cases.Completely untrue. See https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102777/south-korea-covid-19-daily-new-cases/.
Sanctimonious6
03-30-20, 10:22
So you think all the countries are testing at the same level as the US?Most advanced countries are testing at much greater levels than the United States. The number of cases in this country is certainly much higher than reported, since so many people with minor symptoms are not being tested. As to whether China is reporting accurately, you're right, we have no way of knowing.
So you think all the countries are testing at the same level as the US? And you believe that countries like China are reporting all thier cases? After all they have so open and upfront about this virus right from the start. It is a huge leap to assume that the most reported cases reflects an accurate picture of where the virus is most widespread. If believing that makes you feel better because it supports your political views go for it.
Might want to check out data, according to this source, 1st case was Jan 10 in China and 1st case Jan 20 here. Can also click on column heads to see data sorted different ways like by millions of population etc.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countriesWell I mean we weren't even testing until a few weeks ago. I was sick AF with applicable symptoms and the greatest healthcare system in the world told me they had way no way to test me for covid-19. This was in February. And also certain US counties have announced they're no longer going to report cases, so yeah.
It sounds like your perception of America's greatness is a little inflated. We are not handling this well and all the data proves it.
Well I mean we weren't even testing until a few weeks ago. I was sick AF with applicable symptoms and the greatest healthcare system in the world told me they had way no way to test me for covid-19. This was in February. And also certain US counties have announced they're no longer going to report cases, so yeah.
It sounds like your perception of America's greatness is a little inflated. We are not handling this well and all the data proves it.A few people I work with have had symptoms, but the doctors won't test them because they aren't considered "at risk. " They just told them to quarantine themselves for 14 days.
According to those celebrity gossip shows corvid 19 is running rampant among the Hollywood crowd yet no death or serious illness. Tom Hanks would be considered high risk with his age and diabetes. Prince Charles has it at his age would be high risk. The queen is close to 100 and exposed. The really weird part they say 50%-75% they don't know precise number. Of those who are exposed and contract covid 19 will have no symptoms at all. And other people some completely health die very strange virus.
" Indeed these are dangerous times. For you naysayers and doubters of the serious nature of COVID19 as a highly infectious virus which is ripping through our community rapidly I say keep watching. You will no longer deny soon enough. Also it will not be too long before someone or several who post here will go MIA due to this illness. It will not be too long before some or several of these providers go MIA due to this illness and then there is the math. One popular good provider may see 10-25 men per week. This exponentially increases her likelihood of being infected by COVID19 by ummm (no statistics used here just dumb intuition) 1500 times? Each client carries there risk and circle of contact and the laws of 6 degrees of separation is linked to a positive COVID19 case somehow. Businessmen, hobbyist, drunk, junkie. There is no better more efficient way to contract this virus other than barging into an infected patient's hospital room and kissing them on the lips. They are the general store where all of the crossroads come together and share germs. And if you think they are going to tell you if they have any symptoms and that what they tell you is truth then you are naive. Most of these girls are enslaved to opioids and cocaine and will stop at nothing to avoid getting sick with withdrawal. The D boys are perched and waiting for their cash from their bread and butter star clients. And mind you the habits that these girls have going are no joke. With an ATM between your legs getting a huge tolerance takes no time at all. $300/ $400 a day is not uncommon. In real terms that is a 2-3 gram of H a day jones to keep up with. They do not give a flying fuck about you and your health. Some maybe. A lot of these girls are long term smokers and lung problems from crack as well. Co morbidities we call them. Which leads to diminished immune systems, which will highly increase the risk of a fatal or acute illness event. This may be just my hypothesis but it is highly probable. There will be sickness within this community. Plus men who are married. Are going to bring home this risk to their families and play dumb? Just some food for thought. Even the feds who have been down playing the seriousness of the spread up until a week ago have come out with some harsh numbers. 200 K deaths. That would be a success compared to what can happen. If you are throwing the dice right now then at least tip them good because you may not see them again. ".
He didn't just do nothing, though. While he didn't specifically call it a hoax, he did tell people it was nothing to worry about. He said it would go away when it got warm outside, in effect, that this would resolve itself naturally in a timely manner while he had people around him to tell him otherwise.
He also disbanded the pandemic response team we enacted after the ebola scare a few years ago. We had some measure of governmental infrastructure to combat this exact situation and chose to dismiss it.
We could have reacted to this new disease in December. China had a novel disease that people had been predicting would emerge for years; and dragged its feet about officially declaring its existence until December 31st. Trump dismissed this as a threat to American lives and our economy for months. We could have done something to protect ourselves, and we did not.
Mediocre.This morning an am Madison radio program (Not rush) was playing a compilation of comments made by officials from the government. Several from New York health department, mayor of New York, governor of New York, prominent Congressman from New York, mayor of New Orleans, and calif. Congressman and congresswoman very prominent. They had sound clips from all these people from back in January explaining how harmless this corona virus was. Nothing to worry about at all they said and no danger from it! Plenty of blame to go around China allowed 140,000 to fly out of China at the peak.
The real drawback to Bringing manufacturing back to the United States is who will we hire?, wait till the factories start needing people.10+ million Americans have lost their jobs in last 2 weeks. Wisconsin's unemployment has skyrocketed to 10-12%. Just the beginning, my area they have begun dumping semi tankers like 25,000 gallons of milk in each one into manure lagoons due to shutdown. Very scary how bad this crisis will be economically.
" Indeed these are dangerous times. For you naysayers and doubters of the serious nature of COVID19 as a highly infectious virus which is ripping through our community rapidly I say keep watching. You will no longer deny soon enough. Also it will not be too long before someone or several who post here will go MIA due to this illness. It will not be too long before some or several of these providers go MIA due to this illness and then there is the math. One popular good provider may see 10-25 men per week. This exponentially increases her likelihood of being infected by COVID19 by ummm (no statistics used here just dumb intuition) 1500 times? Each client carries there risk and circle of contact and the laws of 6 degrees of separation is linked to a positive COVID19 case somehow. Businessmen, hobbyist, drunk, junkie. There is no better more efficient way to contract this virus other than barging into an infected patient's hospital room and kissing them on the lips. They are the general store where all of the crossroads come together and share germs. And if you think they are going to tell you if they have any symptoms and that what they tell you is truth then you are naive. Most of these girls are enslaved to opioids and cocaine and will stop at nothing to avoid getting sick with withdrawal. The D boys are perched and waiting for their cash from their bread and butter star clients. And mind you the habits that these girls have going are no joke. With an ATM between your legs getting a huge tolerance takes no time at all. $300/ $400 a day is not uncommon. In real terms that is a 2-3 gram of H a day jones to keep up with. They do not give a flying fuck about you and your health. Some maybe. A lot of these girls are long term smokers and lung problems from crack as well..Well that's a bummer.
Set up a threesome yesterday got a confirmation call, took out cash and was headed to the pussy. On my way there started hearing about this covid shit on the radio and gave it some thought and turned around and went home keeping my pussy money intact.
While I don't think I felt better I did feel smarter and hopefully healthier.
Stay safe gentlemen.
DieselMike
04-03-20, 07:38
10+ million Americans have lost their jobs in last 2 weeks. Wisconsin's unemployment has skyrocketed to 10-12%. Just the beginning, my area they have begun dumping semi tankers like 25,000 gallons of milk in each one into manure lagoons due to shutdown. Very scary how bad this crisis will be economically.Post is on target but semi tanker capacity is about 7000 gallons.
Set up a threesome yesterday got a confirmation call, took out cash and was headed to the pussy. On my way there started hearing about this covid shit on the radio and gave it some thought and turned around and went home keeping my pussy money intact.
While I don't think I felt better I did feel smarter and hopefully healthier.
Stay safe gentlemen.I hear you. Threesome? With who?
This crisis is helping my normal short-term thinking to be a little more long-term. Which isn't a bad thing.
IronMan2019
04-03-20, 10:02
Set up a threesome yesterday got a confirmation call, took out cash and was headed to the pussy. On my way there started hearing about this covid shit on the radio and gave it some thought and turned around and went home keeping my pussy money intact.
While I don't think I felt better I did feel smarter and hopefully healthier.
Stay safe gentlemen.IMHO, you made a very wise choice.
I M.
Post is on target but semi tanker capacity is about 7000 gallons.I think its 6000 gallons full but their were 5 of them backed up to the manure pit. One of those huge factory farms up around Green Bay area. Alot of milk and money down the drain but all milk grain and meat prices are collapsing to. Looks like 2020 is on tract to be the year that wasn't.
CurbFeeler
04-03-20, 17:19
I think its 6000 gallons full but their were 5 of them backed up to the manure pit. One of those huge factory farms up around Green Bay area. Alot of milk and money down the drain but all milk grain and meat prices are collapsing to. Looks like 2020 is on tract to be the year that wasn't.Time to make them old cows into hamburger. Curb. Talkin.
I hear you. Threesome? With who?
This crisis is helping my normal short-term thinking to be a little more long-term. Which isn't a bad thing.Aubrey and the blonde with her. Off the interstate. 200 for both for 30 min. The blonde looks good but Aubrey. Yuck. Good thing she has big titties.
But then again desperate times bring out the desperate in me. So desperate I was considering Brielle.
Aubrey and the blonde with her. Off the interstate. 200 for both for 30 min. The blonde looks good but Aubrey. Yuck. Good thing she has big titties.
But then again desperate times bring out the desperate in me. So desperate I was considering Brielle.Fuck, that bad? I hear you.
Time to make them old cows into hamburger. Curb. Talkin.What's going to happen when a couple people in the packing plants come down with corona virus? Shutdown time no more steaks or hamburger. And you know it's going to happen sooner or later.
According to those celebrity gossip shows corvid 19 is running rampant among the Hollywood crowd yet no death or serious illness. Tom Hanks would be considered high risk with his age and diabetes. Prince Charles has it at his age would be high risk. The queen is close to 100 and exposed. The really weird part they say 50%-75% they don't know precise number. Of those who are exposed and contract covid 19 will have no symptoms at all. And other people some completely health die very strange virus.Oops got this one wrong country singer Joe Diffie has died from it and a bunch of B or C grade celebrities in their 80's.
Can or do strippers qualify for collecting unemployment? Guessing escorts cannot? Escort business may actually be increasing with bars all closed and no place to meet / pickup women. Just think of all the horny women that will be in bars after this virus is gone! Life seems more and more deserted and empty the longer this goes on. No traffic, bars and restaurants closed, our little town is a ghost town day and night. Thankfully farm and fleet and gun shops are open nearby. So far zero covid 19 my local area. But 8 in the county from kids doing spring break in Florida. Really surprised by that high of a number.
LoveSmallPerky
04-11-20, 07:37
It all depends on if they claim their income and pay the taxes on it. Dancers / strippers are legal and escorts could report it using any number or self employed businesses but most don't because they don't want to give up the money for the taxes. I did do a little research and it looks like WI unemployment tops out at $370/ week (they'd probably pay that much in taxes each week) so it isn't much but with the 2. 2 Trillion stimulus they add $600/ week. They are trying to help people get through this but at the same time there are a LOT of people that will get more than their regular wages. Then you wonder how many don't realize that unemployment isn't taxed until you file in April which may take any refund or even make you pay more that they didn't save for.
RawlSocket
04-12-20, 23:21
Your ignorance is on display now LOL. I grew up about 30 miles from Madison. Clearly you know nothing how it was back then. You received your vaccinations at school in the gym usually did the whole school in 2 days. They brought in 3 nurse to do the vaccinating. You could get an exemption if you already had the disease. Trust me I lived it and went through it all. Forgot we got a tb vaccination to. All shots were for each specific disease individually. Everyone stood in line you sat in a chair and the nurse gave the shot. I know every kid in the school had measles because it spread like crazy. One kid caught it then everyone soon had it. You had to stay in a darkened room when you had it. And no one died or suffered any type complications from measles. With mumps guys had to stay in bed so they wouldn't go down on you. Use your imagination on that. No doctors were ever worried about those normal childhood diseases. Guess us kids weren't a bunch of snowflakes back in those days. Educate yourself a little on how it was. Humanity survived for thousands years without handsanitzer and modern medicine. Oh even msnbc had a report the corona virus death rate is 0. 15 . Guessing only NSA know the real truth.You and I are probably around the same age, and I've lived near madison all my life. Your motto seems to be "whatever doesn't kill me makes me stronger. " I grew up when school vacs were the norm, so I know how it was. You seem to think if only a few die then what's the big deal. There are complications from viruses, not just death. You're seeing it right now that hospitals are overwhelmed by a pandemic. People can not receive proper care because of this, then can develop those complications. I gave you the two weeks when you were so sure that this would be dying down. How's that working out sparky?
Hi Gents,
So as COVID-19 slows down and the contact tracing will begin. Meaning that if any provider go to the hospital or walk in clinic they will be tested for COVID-19. If Positive they will be hounded to get all there contacts.
Be safe.
GS.
Hi Gents,
So as COVID-19 slows down and the contact tracing will begin. Meaning that if any provider go to the hospital or walk in clinic they will be tested for COVID-19. If Positive they will be hounded to get all there contacts.
Be safe.
GS.I constantly rotate my throwaway number. It would not be impossible to trace one of those random numbers to me. Just extremely improbable.
However, something like this changes the ballgame:
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/10/apple-and-google-are-launching-a-joint-covid-19-tracing-tool/
I constantly rotate my throwaway number. It would not be impossible to trace one of those random numbers to me. Just extremely improbable.
However, something like this changes the ballgame:
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/10/apple-and-google-are-launching-a-joint-covid-19-tracing-tool/And then when they start testing for immunity or to see if have anti bodies for work and getting the economy going they will have blood samples of millions of people. I think they will be Not keeping it but who knows.
You and I are probably around the same age, and I've lived near madison all my life. Your motto seems to be "whatever doesn't kill me makes me stronger. " I grew up when school vacs were the norm, so I know how it was. You seem to think if only a few die then what's the big deal. There are complications from viruses, not just death. You're seeing it right now that hospitals are overwhelmed by a pandemic. People can not receive proper care because of this, then can develop those complications. I gave you the two weeks when you were so sure that this would be dying down. How's that working out sparky?Just the facts speaking Wisconsin's population is 5. 8 million and we have 2200 case which means .038% of the population is affected 99.96% of Wisconsin residents are not affected! How you like those facts buddy? But I do see is it's up to 3300 so it's slightly off. My county, Green co. Has soared to 9 cases started at 4 then 8 holding at 9 now OMG the end is near! Far as people contracting those common childhood diseases perhaps we had some built in immunity from all the previous generations that contracted them. I've yet to ever encounter a person my age who has suffered complications. Do remember it could be devastating for pregnant women. Just like covid 19 can easily wipe out nursing homes or health challenged people. Would have been easier to quarantine those most at risk. 66,000 people have died from the flu they "say" and we have what some 20,000+ deaths from covid 19 again they "say". Are any and all respiratory deaths being reported as covid 19? Hospitals are cutting staff no crisis happened at least yet. Yes it's extremely bad if your a health challenged person living in a densely populated area like New York. My closest neighbors are 1. 5 miles away. We are familiar with being without power for over a week and being snowed or iced in. Being prepared for "whatever" is a way of life. And don't get me started on police response time that can be 30 minutes to much longer LOL. Oh I made a prediction about this covid 19 and our food supply you may recall. You may have seen Smithfield and Tyson pork and chicken have shut 2 plants down indefinitely. Better start hoarding! Guess we just have different thoughts and views on things. Im definitely not in favor of anyone dying but being so much involved in nature and the natural world like I am I can tell you nature or mother nature is the absolute evilest and cruelest witch there ever was and all this viruses and disease come from nature. Just a fact of life. Have a good one!
I was curious what the average normal death rate for a city like New York was and turns out the 12 month daily average is 145 deaths per day year around. So you could count on a higher average in late fall, winter, and early spring. I don't know if they are counting normal deaths among those claimed to have Corona virus or not. Since they are out to make it appear worse than perhaps it really is. The hospital ship trump sent is empty and they are tearing down the emergency hospitals the army corp of engineers erected due to no patients. Yes they suffered lots of deaths but look at the huge population many sick elderly living in a city with lots of air pollution and lung issues. Again the population density there would contribute greatly to the spread.
I was curious what the average normal death rate for a city like New York was and turns out the 12 month daily average is 145 deaths per day year around..Look at CDC numbers for flu death's. There's an avg number, that is down significantly from previous years. This by far a reporting issue. More Covid deaths mean better chance a bigger piece of federal pie.
Both Chinese government and WHO to blame. China shut their country down but allowed citizens from Wu Han to fly out to other countries knowing how bad this virus really was to heavily populated areas. WHO informed USA Officials like Trump, Governor Cuomo, Dr Fauzzi, New York mayor and health department of New York that human to human transmission was not POSSIBLE and was nothing more than a cold virus. Go back to January and listen to all these New York officials down playing it as harmless. Also CIA and military intelligence are thinking it now came from one of the two virus research labs in Wu Han but was not a biological weapon. Simply doing dangerous research on corona viruses with bats and not being careful. Patient 0 was a lab personal who had no symptoms spread it to general population. Looking like the worse is behind us numbers are falling.
TimWatley1973
04-16-20, 16:20
New York already got their first round of stimulus and it wasn't based on anything related to covid-19 deaths. Payments were prorated based on population. Last year there were approx. 35,000,000 cases of "flu" reported in the USA And approximately 35,000 deaths. Yes, this season is slowing down dramatically because of social distancing. And yes, New York is getting hammered with covid-19 and there are RUMORS going around that they are fudging numbers and over reporting. But I assure you that the refrigerated trailers lined up outside hospitals are very real. On a typical day in New York City, 250 people die on average. They are stacking up 650-700+ covid deaths PER DAY since this got into full swing there and that's on top of the normal deaths which are down as you noted. That's real shit. Anybody who believes that stuff is being made up I welcome to go ahead and move to New York City. Please report back here with your experience. Don't write me a letter, don't know for certain if that shit will stay in an envelope for 3 days.
Look at CDC numbers for flu death's. There's an avg number, that is down significantly from previous years. This by far a reporting issue. More Covid deaths mean better chance a bigger piece of federal pie.
TimWatley1973
04-16-20, 16:41
The World Health Organization NEVER said human to human transmission wasn't possible. People have to stop listening to Donald Trump when it comes to their health and matters relating to pandemics. If you want information on how to build a Hotel and take contractors and investors to the cleaners while doing it, Donald Trump is now and always has been an expert on that. Trumps claims about W. H. O. were immediately proven false by several outlets including members of his coronavirus response team. Right now Trump's only concern is getting re-elected and the current crisis is bad for his business. Business being getting re-elected and not to mention his golf courses / resorts. If you want proof that what Trump said about W. H. O. Is a lie, read this:
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/factchecking-trumps-attack-on-the-who/
If you're looking for a scapegoat as to why we are in this pickle you can actually point directly at Trump. One of the first things he did when taking office was dismantling the Pandemic Response Division instituted after the H1 N1 outbreak of 2009. This organization had identified over 125 new strains of viruses that could eventually effect humans and were monitoring them to make sure they didn't jump to humans as well as early development of vaccines and treatments. I live in an area whose main industry is health care and specifically I'm friends with many people who work in research. My sister-in-law has a PhD in immunology and infectious disease and works in research at Vanderbelt University. I remember as soon at Trump canned that response team her exact words were "if there's any kind of worldwide threat as bad or worse than H1 N1, the country will be screwed", that's from her facebook post in 2017.
TOTALLY FAKE NEWS, sorry. Except the part about China, that's absolutely true but seriously, do we really ever trust China to give us the real story? Trump and the State Department should've known there was more to the story. The sad thing is with Trump pulling back funding for W. H. O. He not only put the lives of many people in foreign countries at risk, he increased the risk for USA Citizens since many of the Health Crisis' we encounter start in other countries. Now we have a weaker front line defense. Yeah.
Both Chinese government and WHO to blame. China shut their country down but allowed citizens from Wu Han to fly out to other countries knowing how bad this virus really was to heavily populated areas. WHO informed USA Officials like Trump, Governor Cuomo, Dr Fauzzi, New York mayor and health department of New York that human to human transmission was not POSSIBLE and was nothing more than a cold virus. Go back to January and listen to all these New York officials down playing it as harmless. Also CIA and military intelligence are thinking it now came from one of the two virus research labs in Wu Han but was not a biological weapon. Simply doing dangerous research on corona viruses with bats and not being careful. Patient 0 was a lab personal who had no symptoms spread it to general population. Looking like the worse is behind us numbers are falling.
TimWatley1973
04-16-20, 17:10
And you say that mis-information was given to Dr Fauci? NOT A CHANCE. This guy knows more about coronavirus than almost anyone on the planet. He was appoint the head of the National Institute of Health 3 decades ago and was on point for SARS and Bird Flu. Here is an interview he gave in January talking specifically about transmission of Covid-19 and also his recent assertions that Covid-19 numbers aren't being inflated. The spread of nonsense like this is what got us into this problem. Once again, Donald Trump doesn't know shit about your health and well being. He thinks a Happy Meal is diet food because it has fewer calories than the Big Mac Meal. This is WHY Dr Fauci has to break in and correct Trump at every sentence because Trump can't even read the truth that's written in front of him. The first two are from JAMA, the Journal of the American Medical Association. Third one is a recent article about the very notion you just purported. So if you think that's the truth you need to take Fauci out of your narrative. But then you have to realize that Trump is getting the same information from Fauci and you have to ask yourself which one is lying? At best only Trump is lying. Because if he's being told one thing about the Virus and says another thing, he's lying because we know he doesn't know or understand the science. I guess he could be right but he's lying when he knows his own expert is telling him something else to be true. And I don't think anybody on the planet doubts Dr. Fauci's knowledge or trustworthiness regarding the science around this pandemic.
https://edhub.ama-assn.org/jn-learning/audio-player/18197306
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2759815
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-death-overcount-anthony-fauci
And if you really want to read up on what's being published about Covid-19, have at this. I guarantee you that EVERY member of the Trump Response team that is actually employed in the Medical field has read these and reported it to Trump. But in Donald style, he will report what HE thinks is the truth and what suits his agenda at that moment. And I'm not trump bashing because I hate the dude, I did vote for him. But I don't care who you are, I'll call bullshit when bullshit is being slung.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2759815
Both Chinese government and WHO to blame. China shut their country down but allowed citizens from Wu Han to fly out to other countries knowing how bad this virus really was to heavily populated areas. WHO informed USA Officials like Trump, Governor Cuomo, Dr Fauzzi, New York mayor and health department of New York that human to human transmission was not POSSIBLE and was nothing more than a cold virus. Go back to January and listen to all these New York officials down playing it as harmless. Also CIA and military intelligence are thinking it now came from one of the two virus research labs in Wu Han but was not a biological weapon. Simply doing dangerous research on corona viruses with bats and not being careful. Patient 0 was a lab personal who had no symptoms spread it to general population. Looking like the worse is behind us numbers are falling.
And you say that mis-information was given to Dr Fauci? NOT A CHANCE. This guy knows more about coronavirus than almost anyone on the planet. He was appoint the head of the National Institute of Health 3 decades ago and was on point for SARS and Bird Flu. Here is an interview he gave in January talking specifically about transmission of Covid-19 and also his recent assertions that Covid-19 numbers aren't being inflated. The spread of nonsense like this is what got us into this problem. Once again, Donald Trump doesn't know shit about your health and well being. He thinks a Happy Meal is diet food because it has fewer calories than the Big Mac Meal. This is WHY Dr Fauci has to break in and correct Trump at every sentence because Trump can't even read the truth that's written in front of him. The first two are from JAMA, the Journal of the American Medical Association. Third one is a recent article about the very notion you just purported. So if you think that's the truth you need to take Fauci out of your narrative. But then you have to realize that Trump is getting the same information from Fauci and you have to ask yourself which one is lying? At best only Trump is lying. Because if he's being told one thing about the Virus and says another thing, he's lying because we know he doesn't know or understand the science. I guess he could be right but he's lying when he knows his own expert is telling him something else to be true. And I don't think anybody on the planet doubts Dr. Fauci's knowledge or trustworthiness regarding the science around this pandemic.
https://edhub.ama-assn.org/jn-learning/audio-player/18197306
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2759815
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-death-overcount-anthony-fauci
And if you really want to read up on what's being published about Covid-19, have at this. I guarantee you that EVERY member of the Trump Response team that is actually employed in the Medical field has read these and reported it to Trump. But in Donald style, he will report what HE thinks is the truth and what suits his agenda at that moment. And I'm not trump bashing because I hate the dude, I did vote for him. But I don't care who you are, I'll call bullshit when bullshit is being slung.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2759815They were playing sound clips from Dr. Fauci down playing this corona virus. But he was using information provided by WHO along with information provided by the Chinese. He is only as good as the information he received. This was back around January 24th or so but not 100% sure of the exact date but definitely January. Everyone was getting bad Intel from WHO and the Chinese. Why do you think it spread all over the world? Everyone was listening to WHO and the Chinese government. They also had an interview with Governor Cuomo who said they did not act sooner to stop the spread based on information provided from Dr Fauci and WHO. No one knew what they were dealing due to the false statements WHO and the Chinese were putting out. Why you think Trump got pissed and pulled funding fro WHO. Governor Cuomo surprisingly had good things to say about Trump and all the help they've received from him. He also said they are seeing improvements in patients treated with that malaria drug that Cuemo approved for use against the advice of Dr Fauci. Not a cure but lessons impact and helps increase likely hood of survival. Most other countries around world are now using it against the advice of Fauci.
They were playing sound clips from Dr. Fauci down playing this corona virus. But he was using information provided by WHO along with information provided by the Chinese. He is only as good as the information he received. This was back around January 24th or so but not 100% sure of the exact date but definitely January. Everyone was getting bad Intel from WHO and the Chinese. Why do you think it spread all over the world? Everyone was listening to WHO and the Chinese government. They also had an interview with Governor Cuomo who said they did not act sooner to stop the spread based on information provided from Dr Fauci and WHO. No one knew what they were dealing due to the false statements WHO and the Chinese were putting out. Why you think Trump got pissed and pulled funding fro WHO. Governor Cuomo surprisingly had good things to say about Trump and all the help they've received from him. He also said they are seeing improvements in patients treated with that malaria drug that Cuemo approved for use against the advice of Dr Fauci. Not a cure but lessons impact and helps increase likely hood of survival. Most other countries around world are now using it against the advice of Fauci.Forgot to include Governor Cuomo was very critical in regards of how totally inflated the 5 models Dr Fauci provided Cuomo. Thank God he was so completely wrong Cuomo said.
I'm not getting the same impression of Fauci you have.
TimWatley1973
04-17-20, 01:42
The date of the interview he gave to JAMA (JAMA is an incredibly respected medical journal) dated January 23,2020. There is AUDIO of him talking at that link. Irrefutable proof. Most of the questions about WHO as an organization are coming from the Trump administration. The truth is that on January 23 Dr Fauci said the complete opposite of what you said regarding human to human transmission. The facts are that in February Trump said we only have a few cases and this will all be over soon. In March he said we had a few deaths but don't worry, as soon as April comes this will leave with the warm weather. At the beginning of April thru this past Sunday / Monday when questioned about response time the administration and all their lackeys said that there aren't shortages in any hospitals or at the state level, and they responded quickly, better than anyone ever in history. Then we hear news that the administration is putting a hold all funding to WHO because they are incompetent. Tuesday night and into Wednesday morning stories about when transmission from human to human wasn't told to U.S. authorities "on time".
Those are facts. Video and audio records are easily available for everything I just said. Correct? It's a reasonable timeline of events.
So the questions I have for you, since you have a different view on Fauci. If he said on January 23rd that the virus spreads from human to human, and that he received information about this from WHO and scientists on the ground in other countries, and if Dr. Fauci is Trumps main guy about Coronavirus in January, February and March, why does Donald Trump not know that Human to Human transmission is possible? Or for that matter how does Dr Birx not know when presumably she gets the exact same information that Fauci gets since she is the czar on HIV in Africa and now part of the Covid-19 team? Fauci repeatedly corrected Trump on misstatements during March and has now been more or less pushed aside. See a pattern there?
Next Question. For the first 14 or 15 days of this month, when questioned, Trump and members of the White House Covid-19 team have said their response to the pandemic was swift and thorough. Countries were already calling for social distancing, including China, in December, January and February. Long before the USA, we came late to the Party. So obviously by those dates everyone in the world knew about Human to Human transmission. So if their response was quick and appropriate, why all of a sudden is the timing of Human to Human transmission a problem? Pretty widely documented that we knew about by at least mid to late January, But yet nothing was done regarding social distancing for almost two months.
Like I said. If anyone needs to point fingers go back to 2017 when the Pandemic Response unit was disbanded. And I certainly read Cuomo's comments about the curves and possible infections and fatalities. What everyone fails to understand is ONE those were projections base on infection rates as calculated by statisticians. Just like the ones employed by Insurance companies that calculate risk based on life expectancy and other factors. According to that we will all die when we're 78.8 years old, how often does that happen? I can guarantee you Dr Fauci or anyone on the White House team had nothing to do with those calculations or the making of those graphs. If you click on one of those links it shows you a bunch of research done on that very topic including the graph(s) you're talking about, and Dr Fauci isn't an author on any of them. Those are estimations done with imperfect information and are meant to give a picture on how bad it could be. No different than when Donald Trump tells you he's going to build a wall at the border, he's not the one swinging the hammer. And if you listen to what Cuomo says is gives New York the credit for being diligent in their efforts to SOCIAL DISTANCE to slow the spread of the virus.
Dr Fauci's resume speaks for itself. He worked for 3 decades on during all of the recent pandemics and outbreaks. He is an expert. Donald Trump, Mike Pence, Governor Cuomo, You and me aren't experts in immunology. Yes, the graphs he gave us were wrong but so what. Once again, it's not like anyone had actual hard data. Statistics of this nature use assumptions based on the past performance of other virus outbreaks and attempt to model human behavior. It is inaccurate 100% of the time, it's only value is to guide in making decisions. If anything, it made Cuomo look at a worst case scenario and plan for that. It's like saving for a new car. Would you be better of having planned for a higher price or lower price? And remember, Cuomo wasn't critical of the figures given to him from Fauci and his team, the was THANKFUL it didn't come to fruition. That's a bid difference. But if you think all projections should be accurate just tell me when you are 78.7 years old and I'll throw you a going away party.
NOW, what I will agree with you on is that China hasn't been very forthcoming with full and accurate information. I don't think there are too many people in the world outside of China that would disagree with that.
I just hope we can get back to serious business soon. This shit is cramping my style.
They were playing sound clips from Dr. Fauci down playing this corona virus. But he was using information provided by WHO along with information provided by the Chinese. He is only as good as the information he received. This was back around January 24th or so but not 100% sure of the exact date but definitely January. Everyone was getting bad Intel from WHO and the Chinese. Why do you think it spread all over the world? Everyone was listening to WHO and the Chinese government. They also had an interview with Governor Cuomo who said they did not act sooner to stop the spread based on information provided from Dr Fauci and WHO. No one knew what they were dealing due to the false statements WHO and the Chinese were putting out. Why you think Trump got pissed and pulled funding fro WHO. Governor Cuomo surprisingly had good things to say about Trump and all the help they've received from him. He also said they are seeing improvements in patients treated with that malaria drug that Cuemo approved for use against the advice of Dr Fauci. Not a cure but lessons impact and helps increase likely hood of survival. Most other countries around world are now using it against the advice of Fauci.
The date of the interview he gave to JAMA (JAMA is an incredibly respected medical journal) dated January 23,2020. There is AUDIO of him talking at that link. Irrefutable proof. Most of the questions about WHO as an organization are coming from the Trump administration. The truth is that on January 23 Dr Fauci said the complete opposite of what you said regarding human to human transmission. The facts are that in February Trump said we only have a few cases and this will all be over soon. In March he said we had a few deaths but don't worry, as soon as April comes this will leave with the warm weather. At the beginning of April thru this past Sunday / Monday when questioned about response time the administration and all their lackeys said that there aren't shortages in any hospitals or at the state level, and they responded quickly, better than anyone ever in history. Then we hear news that the administration is putting a hold all funding to WHO because they are incompetent. Tuesday night and into Wednesday morning stories about when transmission from human to human wasn't told to U.S. authorities "on time".
Those are facts. Video and audio records are easily available for everything I just said. Correct? It's a reasonable timeline of events.
So the questions I have for you, since you have a different view on Fauci. If he said on January 23rd that the virus spreads from human to human, and that he received information about this from WHO and scientists on the ground in other countries, and if Dr. Fauci is Trumps main guy about Coronavirus in January, February and March, why does Donald Trump not know that Human to Human transmission is possible? Or for that matter how does Dr Birx not know when presumably she gets the exact same information that Fauci gets since she is the czar on HIV in Africa and now part of the Covid-19 team? Fauci repeatedly corrected Trump on misstatements during March and has now been more or less pushed aside. See a pattern there?
Next Question. For the first 14 or 15 days of this month, when questioned, Trump and members of the White House Covid-19 team have said their response to the pandemic was swift and thorough. Countries were already calling for social distancing, including China, in December, January and February. Long before the USA, we came late to the Party. So obviously by those dates everyone in the world knew about Human to Human transmission. So if their response was quick and appropriate, why all of a sudden is the timing of Human to Human transmission a problem? Pretty widely documented that we knew about by at least mid to late January, But yet nothing was done regarding social distancing for almost two months.
Like I said. If anyone needs to point fingers go back to 2017 when the Pandemic Response unit was disbanded. And I certainly read Cuomo's comments about the curves and possible infections and fatalities. What everyone fails to understand is ONE those were projections base on infection rates as calculated by statisticians. Just like the ones employed by Insurance companies that calculate risk based on life expectancy and other factors. According to that we will all die when we're 78.8 years old, how often does that happen? I can guarantee you Dr Fauci or anyone on the White House team had nothing to do with those calculations or the making of those graphs. If you click on one of those links it shows you a bunch of research done on that very topic including the graph(s) you're talking about, and Dr Fauci isn't an author on any of them. Those are estimations done with imperfect information and are meant to give a picture on how bad it could be. No different than when Donald Trump tells you he's going to build a wall at the border, he's not the one swinging the hammer. And if you listen to what Cuomo says is gives New York the credit for being diligent in their efforts to SOCIAL DISTANCE to slow the spread of the virus.
Dr Fauci's resume speaks for itself. He worked for 3 decades on during all of the recent pandemics and outbreaks. He is an expert. Donald Trump, Mike Pence, Governor Cuomo, You and me aren't experts in immunology. Yes, the graphs he gave us were wrong but so what. Once again, it's not like anyone had actual hard data. Statistics of this nature use assumptions based on the past performance of other virus outbreaks and attempt to model human behavior. It is inaccurate 100% of the time, it's only value is to guide in making decisions. If anything, it made Cuomo look at a worst case scenario and plan for that. It's like saving for a new car. Would you be better of having planned for a higher price or lower price? And remember, Cuomo wasn't critical of the figures given to him from Fauci and his team, the was THANKFUL it didn't come to fruition. That's a bid difference. But if you think all projections should be accurate just tell me when you are 78.7 years old and I'll throw you a going away party.
NOW, what I will agree with you on is that China hasn't been very forthcoming with full and accurate information. I don't think there are too many people in the world outside of China that would disagree with that.
I just hope we can get back to serious business soon. This shit is cramping my style.Dr Fauci is freakin 80 years old! No way I'm trusting anything a guy his age says. I would never even consider going to any Dr that age or even listen to one word they have to say. Govenor Cuomo and Donald Trump found that out the hard way. When you get old and senile like that you can say one thing to one group then turn around and tell someone else something 180 degrees different. Everything Fauci says or does turns out to be false or completely wrong repeatedly. Well documented pattern with him of that. He's as much to blame for this corona virus mess as anyone. Incompetent senile old fool that he is with absolutely zero credibility at this stage of his advanced age. Probably was a top notch guy back in his prime but he's long past that now. He definitely belongs in a senior care facility at his age. Hope they don't let him operate any motor vehicles. When it comes to medicine no 80 year old should be giving any advice but it does explain all his mistakes.
TimWatley1973
04-17-20, 03:05
First off, I think the virus spread from HUMAN TO HUMAN contact which was known in 2019. Secondly, while WHO certainly isn't completely innocent in all this, they were dealing with the same lies and misinformation coming from China. It doesn't change the fact that, according the recording I provided in my previous post, on January 23 Dr Fauci can be heard saying on that recorded interview that the virus can be spread from human to human. You can't deny that so whatever else you think you know, that date is now absolute. So, knowing that and that the CDC was warning of serious trouble at the same time, did our government warn the people properly? NO.
And yeah, Dr Fauci is heard on tape, much earlier than Jan 23rd, giving information about Covid that he got from WHO. How is that a Fauci problem? The USA Government, WHO, and every other country on the planet weren't allowed in with response teams to monitor the outbreak. All ANYONE had was the information coming from China flowing through WHO. Trump said the same things. Cuomo said the same things. Then anchor on my nightly news said the same things. But yet you want to put this on one person? Come on.
The fact is on January 23rd our government knew about the mode of transmission. That's an obvious truth since I provided audio proof. Now show me proof that after that date Fauci or any other NIH staff advised the White House or any other government agency any differently. The fact remains that Donald felt it necessary to give the public a happy face and tell everyone it will be OK. He was listening to the knuckleheads, many of whom are still spouting the same thing, that this is no different than the season flu and while some people may die, people die anyway. No problem. THAT is irrefutable because the administration still has that attitude.
And if the administration did react quickly and thoroughly, as they claim they did during the first 14 days of this month, why now in the last 2-3 days are they saying their response to the threat was delayed because of China and WHO? If this was truly a problem that means they knew about it before now, right? Why bring it up last minute AFTER you claim that you were on top of it from the start? This isn't new information. Even what's her name on Fox News reported that. And then was the object of a sharp tweet from the White House.
This smells a lot like the whole election meddling thing. You know, where all of a sudden it wasn't Russia meddling it was Ukraine. And even after it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was Russia by every federal agency including the Parks and Forestry department, trump still beat the bushes with Ukraine election conspiracy theories more than a year after he was told. Donald is great at not answering question and by asking his own questions to deflect the ones he doesn't want to answer. His news conferences are beautiful to watch. I thought Bill Clinton was great at answering a question with an obvious lie better than anyone. He's lost his crown.
I don't give two shits about Anthony Fauci really. But I know enough that if I'm given advice about my health and well being from a Doctor and a Builder, I'll probably follow the Dr's advice. And as to your assertions about Hydroxychloroquine used in the treatment of Covid-19 patients and it's success, most of that has been widely refuted by Immunologist and the medical community in general. Was it used, yes. Did Trump and many other sympathetic outlets also tout the treatment, yes. But notice Trump hasn't mentioned the treatment at all for a long time, because it's pretty much proven to be ineffective as a treatment and poses a much greater threat to life than it does a treatment. From a Respiratory Medicine site:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20) 30172-7/ fulltext.
I"m done. Peace.
Forgot to include Governor Cuomo was very critical in regards of how totally inflated the 5 models Dr Fauci provided Cuomo. Thank God he was so completely wrong Cuomo said.
I'm not getting the same impression of Fauci you have.
TimWatley1973
04-17-20, 03:19
LOL. Trump is 73 and unable to read from the notes in front of him most of the time. Please, Provide the the DOCUMENTATION to support your claims. And, don't forget, this guy was HAND PICKED by the incredibly old Donald Trump just a few months ago. Your argument is totally baseless. 30 days ago Trump touted him as the darling of the ball, why? Because he brought credibility to the dance, uniform respect across the board. But, as with almost anyone who seems to be invited to the Trump presidency, he became a scapegoat when Donald could not longer control the narrative. Just ask the 7 or 8 people hired by trump who are now in jail. Or any of the dozens of staff members fired in the last few months alone.
And if you ask Cuomo, he'd want Fauci on his response team. Read this from THREE DAYS AGO
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/amid-firefauci-trump-retweet-drama-gov-cuomo-lauds-dr-fauci-as-national-treasure-hes-been-very-helpful-and-hes-credible/
You have no idea what your talking about.
Dr Fauci is freakin 80 years old! No way I'm trusting anything a guy his age says. I would never even consider going to any Dr that age or even listen to one word they have to say. Govenor Cuomo and Donald Trump found that out the hard way. When you get old and senile like that you can say one thing to one group then turn around and tell someone else something 180 degrees different. Everything Fauci says or does turns out to be false or completely wrong repeatedly. Well documented pattern with him of that. He's as much to blame for this corona virus mess as anyone. Incompetent senile old fool that he is with absolutely zero credibility at this stage of his advanced age. Probably was a top notch guy back in his prime but he's long past that now. He definitely belongs in a senior care facility at his age. Hope they don't let him operate any motor vehicles. When it comes to medicine no 80 year old should be giving any advice but it does explain all his mistakes.
First off, I think the virus spread from HUMAN TO HUMAN contact which was known in 2019. Secondly, while WHO certainly isn't completely innocent in all this, they were dealing with the same lies and misinformation coming from China. It doesn't change the fact that, according the recording I provided in my previous post, on January 23 Dr Fauci can be heard saying on that recorded interview that the virus can be spread from human to human. You can't deny that so whatever else you think you know, that date is now absolute. So, knowing that and that the CDC was warning of serious trouble at the same time, did our government warn the people properly? NO.
And yeah, Dr Fauci is heard on tape, much earlier than Jan 23rd, giving information about Covid that he got from WHO. How is that a Fauci problem? The USA Government, WHO, and every other country on the planet weren't allowed in with response teams to monitor the outbreak. All ANYONE had was the information coming from China flowing through WHO. Trump said the same things. Cuomo said the same things. Then anchor on my nightly news said the same things. But yet you want to put this on one person? Come on.
The fact is on January 23rd our government knew about the mode of transmission. That's an obvious truth since I provided audio proof. Now show me proof that after that date Fauci or any other NIH staff advised the White House or any other government agency any differently. The fact remains that Donald felt it necessary to give the public a happy face and tell everyone it will be OK. He was listening to the knuckleheads, many of whom are still spouting the same thing, that this is no different than the season flu and while some people may die, people die anyway. No problem. THAT is irrefutable because the administration still has that attitude.
And if the administration did react quickly and thoroughly, as they claim they did during the first 14 days of this month, why now in the last 2-3 days are they saying their response to the threat was delayed because of China and WHO? If this was truly a problem that means they knew about it before now, right? Why bring it up last minute AFTER you claim that you were on top of it from the start? This isn't new information. Even what's her name on Fox News reported that. And then was the object of a sharp tweet from the White House.
This smells a lot like the whole election meddling thing. You know, where all of a sudden it wasn't Russia meddling it was Ukraine. And even after it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was Russia by every federal agency including the Parks and Forestry department, trump still beat the bushes with Ukraine election conspiracy theories more than a year after he was told. Donald is great at not answering question and by asking his own questions to deflect the ones he doesn't want to answer. His news conferences are beautiful to watch. I thought Bill Clinton was great at answering a question with an obvious lie better than anyone. He's lost his crown.
I don't give two shits about Anthony Fauci really. But I know enough that if I'm given advice about my health and well being from a Doctor and a Builder, I'll probably follow the Dr's advice. And as to your assertions about Hydroxychloroquine used in the treatment of Covid-19 patients and it's success, most of that has been widely refuted by Immunologist and the medical community in general. Was it used, yes. Did Trump and many other sympathetic outlets also tout the treatment, yes. But notice Trump hasn't mentioned the treatment at all for a long time, because it's pretty much proven to be ineffective as a treatment and poses a much greater threat to life than it does a treatment. From a Respiratory Medicine site:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20) 30172-7/ fulltext.
I"m done. Peace.Sweden is taking a different approach to corona virus and doing nothing officially to contain it. As of tonight their death count is 1300 compared to Italy's 20,000 and Great Britain 17,000. People are doing voluntary things like washing hands though should be quite the interesting experiment to observe. Got to admire people with that strong Viking heritage. Guess when your.
Viking ancestors were known to rape pillage and plunder you don't let a little virus get in your way.
TimWatley1973
04-17-20, 03:35
Very interesting indeed. Their rate of death is actually higher than the USA As of today. Their death rate is 132 per 1,000,000 population, USA Is at 105 while their rates of infection are considerably lower at 1242 per mil compared to USA At 2049. I'll leave that up to you to determine success or not. But it can certainly be argued that their death rate is actually pretty good considering they haven't taken the measures most every other country has taken. And they don't seem to be spreading it around much. Certainly begs the question was it all necessary?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Sweden is taking a different approach to corona virus and doing nothing officially to contain it. As of tonight their death count is 1300 compared to Italy's 20,000 and Great Britain 17,000. People are doing voluntary things like washing hands though should be quite the interesting experiment to observe. Got to admire people with that strong Viking heritage. Guess when your.
Viking ancestors were known to rape pillage and plunder you don't let a little virus get in your way.
LOL. Trump is 73 and unable to read from the notes in front of him most of the time. Please, Provide the the DOCUMENTATION to support your claims. And, don't forget, this guy was HAND PICKED by the incredibly old Donald Trump just a few months ago. Your argument is totally baseless. 30 days ago Trump touted him as the darling of the ball, why? Because he brought credibility to the dance, uniform respect across the board. But, as with almost anyone who seems to be invited to the Trump presidency, he became a scapegoat when Donald could not longer control the narrative. Just ask the 7 or 8 people hired by trump who are now in jail. Or any of the dozens of staff members fired in the last few months alone.
And if you ask Cuomo, he'd want Fauci on his response team. Read this from THREE DAYS AGO
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/amid-firefauci-trump-retweet-drama-gov-cuomo-lauds-dr-fauci-as-national-treasure-hes-been-very-helpful-and-hes-credible/
You have no idea what your talking about.You want to trust a senile old and I mean OLD man feel free to. If you ever need surgery be sure and let us all know which 80 year old Dr your going to pick to perform your operation. If you wouldn't choose an elderly 80 year old man to operate why would you ever listen to what they say. What can I say we both just choose to disagree. Have a great day during this virus lockdown it may never end.
TimWatley1973
04-17-20, 11:41
So, using your logic, you wouldn't:
Allow Warren Buffett to give you investing advice.
Allow Bill Gates to give you advice on your startup company.
The Pope give you last rights.
Have Willie Nelson play at your birthday party.
Fauci isn't driving a Nascar, and he's not performing surgeries. He's and Immunologist. An Allergist if you please. Why would you want him performing surgeries? I guess that's why we (and almost every other living person on the planet not named Donald Trump) would disagree. Because I have the god given ability to know I wouldn't want an Immunologist operating on me.
If you're lucky, maybe Don Trump will operate on you. Or, if you're really, really lucky Mike Pence will just pray the problem away.
Get 'er done!
You want to trust a senile old and I mean OLD man feel free to. If you ever need surgery be sure and let us all know which 80 year old Dr your going to pick to perform your operation. If you wouldn't choose an elderly 80 year old man to operate why would you ever listen to what they say. What can I say we both just choose to disagree. Have a great day during this virus lockdown it may never end.
TimWatley1973
04-17-20, 11:50
And you say that mis-information was given to Dr Fauci? NOT A CHANCE. This guy knows more about coronavirus than almost anyone on the planet. He was appoint the head of the National Institute of Health 3 decades ago and was on point for SARS and Bird Flu. Here is an interview he gave in January talking specifically about transmission of Covid-19 and also his recent assertions that Covid-19 numbers aren't being inflated. The spreak of nonsense like this is what got us into this problem. Once again, Donald Trump doesn't know shit about your health and well being. He thinks a Happy Meal is diet food because it has fewer calories than the Big Mac Meal. This is WHY Dr Fauci has to break in and correct Trump at every sentence because Trump can't even read the truth that's written in front of him. The first two are from JAMA, the Journal of the American Medical Association. Third one is a recent article about the very notion you just purported. So if you think that's the truth you need to take Fauci out of your narrative. But then you have to realize that Trump is getting the same information from Fauci and you have to ask yourself which one is lying? At best only Trump is lying. Because if he's being told one thing about the Virus and says another thing, he's lying because we know he doesn't know or understand the science. I guess he could be right but he's lying when he knows his own expert is telling him something else to be true. And I don't think anybody on the planet doubts Dr. Fauci's knowledge or trustworthiness regarding the science around this pandemic.
https://edhub.ama-assn.org/jn-learning/audio-player/18197306
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2759815
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-death-overcount-anthony-fauci
And if you really want to read up on what's being published about Covid-19, have at this. I guarantee you that EVERY member of the Trump Response team that is actually employed in the Medical field has read these and reported it to Trump. But in Donald style, he will report what HE thinks is the truth and what suits his agenda at that moment. And I'm not trump bashing because I hate the dude, I did vote for him. But I don't care who you are, I'll call bullshit when bullshit is being slung.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2759815
Both Chinese government and WHO to blame. China shut their country down but allowed citizens from Wu Han to fly out to other countries knowing how bad this virus really was to heavily populated areas. WHO informed USA Officials like Trump, Governor Cuomo, Dr Fauzzi, New York mayor and health department of New York that human to human transmission was not POSSIBLE and was nothing more than a cold virus. Go back to January and listen to all these New York officials down playing it as harmless. Also CIA and military intelligence are thinking it now came from one of the two virus research labs in Wu Han but was not a biological weapon. Simply doing dangerous research on corona viruses with bats and not being careful. Patient 0 was a lab personal who had no symptoms spread it to general population. Looking like the worse is behind us numbers are falling.
Is this whole forum always politics or just this thread?
I'm not an expert on these matters, public health or economic.
But my understanding is that this virus is very contagious, carriers are mostly asymptomatic, the cases with severe symptoms require extensive care, and there is as yet no cure (thus it's named "novel".
This means that without mitigation, the hospital capacity is quickly overwhelmed. And there's a second order effect when the caregivers themselves become infected. We might be able to ramp up production of PPE. We can't quickly create more doctors, nurses, etc.
Lots of hard choices. It would be interesting to watch this from a different planet. Elect a criminal buffoon because you want to shake up the system. And then disaster strikes. LOL.
We had an 80 year old doctor in our town growing up. Actually kept his practice going until he was 93. Probably one of the reasons none of the kids were vaccinated. Parents no doubt had fears he would kill a kid trying to vaccinate a kid given his driving skills. His daily trips to the local restaurant meant the car ahead of him or behind him was going to be run in to. Sometimes he took his huge 1972 Chrysler Imperial and pushed the other car ahead. Police were instructed to leave him alone because he was very generous to all local causes. Yeah I know a little bit about these old timers we have plenty of them around. Not the sharpest at that age. The local doctor was the only doctor I've ever seen rich an old age. Most must follow their own advice because they seem to die in their 60's. We also had a dentist trying to practice dentistry in his 70's repeat trying ie disaster. Doctors are like pilots you want one with experience but not one with 80 years of experience. I doubt if I'd take any advice from Bill Gates or Warren Buffet at their age and the from the nonsense they put out. Was Buffet smart enough to liquidate all holdings before the stock market went off the cliff. Old guys like Dr Fauci are like all old guys they tell great stories and that's about it. Not going to take them serious at that age.
Is this whole forum always politics or just this thread?This thread is like a safety valve. As the title indicates, this is for conversation about stuff other than finding women to fuck for money. What did you expect to find in a thread titled "Stupid Shit in Madison"?
It's lately been about covid-19. Rather timely, eh? As you can see there's so much expertise just waiting to burst forth.
Is this whole forum always politics or just this thread?Well it's called "stupid shit" for a reason! And this corona virus and shutdown is the all-time king of stupid shit! We had 9 cases in quarantine 8 have recovered and are free from confinement. Let's extend the shutdown another month. What else we got to do these days. Nobody is really attacking each other we're just having some fun to fight the boredom. I hope no one takes stupid shit to seriously it's meant to be fun place to say that stupid shit!
TimWatley1973
04-17-20, 18:04
No, Warren Buffett was smart enough to invest more in the market when it dropped. And since its up over 30% in the last month, he's probably made another $5,000,000,000 plus got back most of his losses. When the market hit 19,000 I decided to invest in my Roth for last year AND this year. $14,000 total. Today it's worth over $19,000 - not a bad gain for 30 days. We both learned our lessons on the market, when it goes down for little or no reason, it's bound to go back up for the same reason.
You still haven't answered why you put any faith in our decrepit 73 year old president. If it wasn't for Fauci Trump would look like an every bigger moron. He hired him for a reason.
We had an 80 year old doctor in our town growing up. Actually kept his practice going until he was 93. Probably one of the reasons none of the kids were vaccinated. Parents no doubt had fears he would kill a kid trying to vaccinate a kid given his driving skills. His daily trips to the local restaurant meant the car ahead of him or behind him was going to be run in to. Sometimes he took his huge 1972 Chrysler Imperial and pushed the other car ahead. Police were instructed to leave him alone because he was very generous to all local causes. Yeah I know a little bit about these old timers we have plenty of them around. Not the sharpest at that age. The local doctor was the only doctor I've ever seen rich an old age. Most must follow their own advice because they seem to die in their 60's. We also had a dentist trying to practice dentistry in his 70's repeat trying ie disaster. Doctors are like pilots you want one with experience but not one with 80 years of experience. I doubt if I'd take any advice from Bill Gates or Warren Buffet at their age and the from the nonsense they put out. Was Buffet smart enough to liquidate all holdings before the stock market went off the cliff. Old guys like Dr Fauci are like all old guys they tell great stories and that's about it. Not going to take them serious at that age.
GottaHaveSum
04-18-20, 09:22
This stupid shit just blows my mind with all the people that want to blame just one person (Trump) for this. Back in January, ALL the politicians were downplaying the virus. Then Trump installed the travel ban for China, and the left called him a racist, and claimed the ban wasn't necessary! Hindsight is always 20/20. Now, the travel ban was the right thing to do, and the left and media will never give him credit for implementing it, although the argument can be made that the ban should've been implemented much sooner!
China definitely mislead the WHO and the rest of the world about the severity of the virus! When the outbreak first began, China shutdown domestic travel to / from Wuhan, but allowed everyone to flea internationally! China didn't give a flying you know what about spreading the virus to the rest of the world, and fudged their data to hide it. China has recently been updating their previous data, hmmm, I wonder why?? Also, a couple doctors in China mysteriously disappeared when they tried to warn the world about the virus! So, yeah, let's play stupid and blame just one person for it because the media wants us too! The last time I checked, this was a global pandemic, not a domestic one that originated in China! Remember, hindsight is always 20/20. Stay safe out there!
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No, Warren Buffett was smart enough to invest more in the market when it dropped. And since its up over 30% in the last month, he's probably made another $5,000,000,000 plus got back most of his losses. When the market hit 19,000 I decided to invest in my Roth for last year AND this year. $14,000 total. Today it's worth over $19,000 - not a bad gain for 30 days. We both learned our lessons on the market, when it goes down for little or no reason, it's bound to go back up for the same reason.
You still haven't answered why you put any faith in our decrepit 73 year old president. If it wasn't for Fauci Trump would look like an every bigger moron. He hired him for a reason.I'll listen to a guy in his early 70's over a guy around 80 or above the two you mention are likely spoon fed by their nurse and both need someone to change their "depends" for them. Rember how squirrelly Reagon got when he turned 80? Or how bad Joe Biden is currently? Back in his early days Buffet was a truly ruthless robber baron god bless him for his evil ways. Read some of the stories people have come forward about him. Fauci probably was good back in the time period of early HIV when he made his bones so to speak. Personally I want someone whose high point of the day isn't making stink in their diaper. But that's just me
Yep the malaria drug not going to bother looking up its spelling failed in a va test of 300 patients. No idea about any trials with zithromax added. Oh well looks like we'll be stuck with covid 19 forever. A vaccine may be possible in 12-18 months maybe never. The current approach of stay at home has not and will not eliminate it. Slow it down yes eliminate it not likely then you open everything up instant wildfire. The country and business could never withstand a 2 year shutdown. Looks like the only option is to let it burn through the population and burn itself out. Maybe 150,000 or more would die like a bad flu strain. So far no country has been able to completely eliminate it and that's the only way. Test 330 million people? Never could get them all. Sweden is about the same size as Michigan and is letting it go through their population with only voluntary recommendations. So far Sweden death rate is 1000 less than Michigan which has stricter shutdown than Wisconsin.
You may have seen an Albany Minnesota egg producer had 64,000 laying hens gassed to death. He took care of them and received 15 cents a dozen for the eggs. Chickens were owned by a Lake Mills company that did this on other farms to. Here in Green county the stock yard has stopped purchasing fat cattle ie black Angus steers etc. You may have noticed the other day barrels of oil went below $0. 00 yeah negative. You had to pay someone to take it. So much for people that tell you it's no big deal financially. Forgot to add down south hundreds of acres of vegetable crops are being destroyed to. One guy said he was making coleslaw. Destroying 100 acres of cabbage with a disc=coleslaw!
Just the facts speaking Wisconsin's population is 5. 8 million and we have 2200 case which means .038% of the population is affected 99.96% of Wisconsin residents are not affected! How you like those facts buddy? But I do see is it's up to 3300 so it's slightly off. My county, Green co. Has soared to 9 cases started at 4 then 8 holding at 9 now OMG the end is near! Far as people contracting those common childhood diseases perhaps we had some built in immunity from all the previous generations that contracted them. I've yet to ever encounter a person my age who has suffered complications. Do remember it could be devastating for pregnant women. Just like covid 19 can easily wipe out nursing homes or health challenged people. Would have been easier to quarantine those most at risk. 66,000 people have died from the flu they "say" and we have what some 20,000+ deaths from covid 19 again they "say". Are any and all respiratory deaths being reported as covid 19? Hospitals are cutting staff no crisis happened at least yet. Yes it's extremely bad if your a health challenged person living in a densely populated area like New York. My closest neighbors are 1. 5 miles away. We are familiar with being without power for over a week and being snowed or iced in. Being prepared for "whatever" is a way of life. And don't get me started on police response time that can be 30 minutes to much longer LOL. Oh I made a prediction about this covid 19 and our food supply you may recall. You may have seen Smithfield and Tyson pork and chicken have shut 2 plants down indefinitely. Better start hoarding! Guess we just have different thoughts and views on things. Im definitely not in favor of anyone dying but being so much involved in nature and the natural world like I am I can tell you nature or mother nature is the absolute evilest and cruelest witch there ever was and all this viruses and disease come from nature. Just a fact of life. Have a good one!
I'll listen to a guy in his early 70's over a guy around 80 or above the two you mention are likely spoon fed by their nurse and both need someone to change their "depends" for them. Rember how squirrelly Reagon got when he turned 80? Or how bad Joe Biden is currently? Back in his early days Buffet was a truly ruthless robber baron god bless him for his evil ways. Read some of the stories people have come forward about him. Fauci probably was good back in the time period of early HIV when he made his bones so to speak. Personally I want someone whose high point of the day isn't making stink in their diaper. But that's just meHow old is Trump? Look how he is now. He can't remember his lies from one day to the next!
GottaHaveSum
04-24-20, 18:22
How old is Trump? Look how he is now. He can't remember his lies from one day to the next!How is that any different from any other politician? From the looks of it, Biden can't even remember to wipe his own ass! LOL.
Stanford university has been doing testing for antibodies and finding infection rate is much higher than previously thought 50-80% higher in wide spread testing in California. Good news kids that means the actual death rate is 0. 01-0. 05% at its worst. New York is at 0. 05% actual rate to since they have started testing for antibodies as well. Both studies seem to indicate 14-15% of people have been exposed and infected. Angela Merkel of Germany expects 75-80% of German people will be infected since all measures to stop or contain this corona virus have failed. Oh and they have verified that as late as March 8th and 9th Dr Fauci was saying there was no risk to anyone other than the elderly with severe health issues. He also was on 60 minutes February 24th or 28th saying the same thing. Corona virus was very mild and nothing to fear. Feel free to travel to China or go one a cruise if your not elderly or have health issues. Sorry I can't confirm the exact dates I was driving at the time. The other instance Dr Fauci was being interviewed by a group of reporters. So much for the infallible Dr Fauci.
Sanctimonious6
04-25-20, 17:47
Stanford university has been doing testing for antibodies and finding infection rate is much higher than previously thought 50-80% higher in wide spread testing in California. Good news kids that means the actual death rate is 0. 01-0. 05% at its worst. New York is at 0. 05% actual rate to since they have started testing for antibodies as well. Both studies seem to indicate 14-15% of people have been exposed and infected. Find one study that supports your argument and then stop absorbing information, right?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/04/21/scientists-widely-criticize-studies-that-claim-coronavirus-death-rate-could-be-far-lower-than-believed/
Find one study that supports your argument and then stop absorbing information, right?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/04/21/scientists-widely-criticize-studies-that-claim-coronavirus-death-rate-could-be-far-lower-than-believed/There appear to be multiple studies that are showing the fatality rate less than expected. The big problem is the high contagion rate, which is to be expected with a novel virus. Not trying to downplay the virus, but might be interesting to see the long term results from Sweden who chose to let the virus run its course to build herd immunity vs. Ruining their economy.
Find one study that supports your argument and then stop absorbing information, right?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/04/21/scientists-widely-criticize-studies-that-claim-coronavirus-death-rate-could-be-far-lower-than-believed/Govenor Andrew Cuomo has said the same thing since they have no started more wide spread testing they are finding the true infection rate surprisingly much higher than previously thought at 14-15%. Really sorry that the real facts don't support your agenda but that's ok I understand completely. The state's that are opening up their businesses and their economy will give us a true picture of what's going on. I suspect we will see little if any change in their infection rates or deaths. Kinda of like what occurred in Milwaukee with everyone in line to vote with no change in their infection rate. I'll take real world results over those that have been falsified by so-called experts with a political agenda any time.
DieselMike
04-26-20, 06:44
How old is Trump? Look how he is now. He can't remember his lies from one day to the next!Trump Derangement Syndrome and related confirmation bias has blinded many to reality. One is better off seeking enlightenment, which is seeing things as they really are without the filters many people have in place.
Trump's success; defined by accomplishments and / or wealth, along with his communication skills, indicate to me that he is nowhere near the blithering idiot some think. Oops, sorry; some people think while others "feel".
Back to the enlightenment thing; one discredits themselves by representing "feeling" as "thinking". I much prefer critical thinking over "feels".
DieselMike
04-26-20, 06:51
Govenor Andrew Cuomo has said the same thing since they have no started more wide spread testing they are finding the true infection rate surprisingly much higher than previously thought at 14-15%. Really sorry that the real facts don't support your agenda but that's ok I understand completely. The state's that are opening up their businesses and their economy will give us a true picture of what's going on. I suspect we will see little if any change in their infection rates or deaths. Kinda of like what occurred in Milwaukee with everyone in line to vote with no change in their infection rate. I'll take real world results over those that have been falsified by so-called experts with a political agenda any time.There have been claims that in-person voting could cause a spike in infections. Quite interesting that those claims coincide with one political party's push for absentee balloting. Easier to manipulate election results?
Sanctimonious6
04-26-20, 08:03
Govenor Andrew Cuomo has said the same thing since they have no started more wide spread testing they are finding the true infection rate surprisingly much higher than previously thought at 14-15%. Really sorry that the real facts don't support your agenda but that's ok I understand completely. The state's that are opening up their businesses and their economy will give us a true picture of what's going on. I suspect we will see little if any change in their infection rates or deaths. Kinda of like what occurred in Milwaukee with everyone in line to vote with no change in their infection rate. I'll take real world results over those that have been falsified by so-called experts with a political agenda any time.Nothing I say is going to change your mind, because, like most humans, your mind can't be changed by facts. ALL of the facts support my agenda, because my agenda is simply to let the people who actually spend their lives studying this shit make recommendations, and then follow their recommendations. One thing we can agree on is that so few people have been tested that we really don't have a good grasp of the infection rate or the fatality rate. The things we do know for certain are that in Wisconsin, nearly twice as many people have died from this thing in 6 weeks as died of the flu over the entire 6-month flu season. And that's WITH all the social distancing happening. But you are very attached to your conspiracy theories, which somehow in your mind represent the "real world" more than what actual data from legit sources say, because in your conspiracy world, the legit sources are all corrupt and are acting on some bizarre agenda designed to screw you over. So you and I operate in totally different realities, and there really is no point arguing.
Sanctimonious6
04-26-20, 08:16
There have been claims that in-person voting could cause a spike in infections. Quite interesting that those claims coincide with one political party's push for absentee balloting. Easier to manipulate election results?The problem with your position is that there is no actual evidence of election manipulation by absentee ballot. It's no big secret that republicans benefit when fewer people vote, and they do everything they can to suppress turnout, while democrats benefit when more people vote, and they do everything they can to make it easier for people to vote. Both sides have tons of conspiracy theories about how the other side is stealing elections, none of which are supported by much credible evidence. As for fears that in-person voting risks more infections, um, when you're dealing with a highly contagious disease that is being dealt with (whether you agree with the strategy or not) through social distancing, why WOULDN'T you expect there to be more infections, regardless of whether that turns out to be the case (it's still playing out, and there were definitely more infections, though possibly not enough to call it a "spike" That's why every single other state that had an election scheduled postponed it. Only WI proceeded, to national outrage. But my point simply being: what you find "quite interesting" is really very straightforward: Dems want everybody to vote, GOP wants poor people and non-white people in big cities to not vote.
Sanctimonious6
04-26-20, 08:24
Trump's success; defined by accomplishments and / or wealth, along with his communication skills.You are right that people of all political stripes are susceptible to confirmation bias. Case in point: Trump has mainly been successful at getting famous, nothing else. His businesses fail regularly, and we have no idea of his wealth because unlike all of his predecessors, he has refused to release any of his tax / financial records. As for his communication skills, seriously, he is a horrible communicator, completely incoherent much of the time. And note that I am not a Democrat, and I believe the Biden is not much better on that front. They are both terrible, terrible speakers. To say Trump has communication skills is so off the wall, it's another example of living in totally different realities, making it pointless to argue about anything.
LoveSmallPerky
04-26-20, 11:19
The problem with your position is that there is no actual evidence of election manipulation by absentee ballot. Dems want everybody to vote, GOP wants poor people and non-white people in big cities to not vote.There may not be any factual investigation type proof from the mail-in ballots, mostly because they don't investigate, but look at how some are storing the ballots. Some are stored with easy access like the guy that left some in his car and they have no chain of custody to show security. There are how many times when the votes are close and they mysteriously find more ballots that they forgot about or misplaced. A big part of absentee / mail-in ballots is there is no I'd check. Look at how they want to mail an absentee ballot request to all registered voters in Milwaukee even though they know the lists are outdated and inaccurate. That can lead to how many getting ballots sent to someone no longer there and filling it in for their candidate. Everyone that pays attention knows that Milw and Dane counties are highly democrat voters and with enough turning out to vote can effect the outcome. They had thousands of people to remove from the registration lists but then the Dems blocked that saying it was suppressing their right to vote, even though those people failed to do the confirmation when it was attempted. When I go in to vote in person and they check my I'd against the list I can look down and see 3 people registered to my address that shouldn't be. I bought my place mid 90's and found out during closing it was an estate sale because he had died but he is still registered along with the 80's aged woman that sold it. Then there is my Ex who has been gone for over 12 years. As much as I try to get that updated nobody will remove them and won't say who is suppose to do it.
As I said, there is no investigative proof because the Dems are able to prevent the investigations from being conducted. This last election should be investigated because the Dems were so pissed that the election wasn't postponed or altered, thanks to their Governor not requesting early on when he was suppose to and the house / senate mentioned it. Then Mayor Barrott in his almighty power grab cut the city election places from over 180 to 5 and that caused the major backup to vote. Many left due to the virus and safety but also due to the wait. I normally go in to vote and get in / out in 10 minutes or less but this time I had to leave the line after 1. 5 hrs. It would be an easy thing to get accurate lists but most won't because of all the work. They should just wipe all registration list clear and then have everyone reregister with showing their I'd's and residency.
There may not be any factual investigation type proof from the mail-in ballots, mostly because they don't investigate, but look at how some are storing the ballots. Some are stored with easy access like the guy that left some in his car and they have no chain of custody to show security. There are how many times when the votes are close and they mysteriously find more ballots that they forgot about or misplaced. A big part of absentee / mail-in ballots is there is no I'd check. Look at how they want to mail an absentee ballot request to all registered voters in Milwaukee even though they know the lists are outdated and inaccurate. That can lead to how many getting ballots sent to someone no longer there and filling it in for their candidate. Everyone that pays attention knows that Milw and Dane counties are highly democrat voters and with enough turning out to vote can effect the outcome. They had thousands of people to remove from the registration lists but then the Dems blocked that saying it was suppressing their right to vote, even though those people failed to do the confirmation when it was attempted. When I go in to vote in person and they check my I'd against the list I can look down and see 3 people registered to my address that shouldn't be. I bought my place mid 90's and found out during closing it was an estate sale because he had died but he is still registered along with the 80's aged woman that sold it. Then there is my Ex who has been gone for over 12 years. As much as I try to get that updated nobody will remove them and won't say who is suppose to do it.
As I said, there is no investigative proof because the Dems are able to prevent the investigations from being conducted. This last election should be investigated because the Dems were so pissed that the election wasn't postponed or altered, thanks to their Governor not requesting early on when he was suppose to and the house / senate mentioned it..https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud
Extensive research reveals that fraud is very rare. Yet repeated, false allegations of fraud can make it harder for millions of eligible Americans to participate in elections.
Sanctimonious6
04-26-20, 13:20
Then Mayor Barrott in his almighty power grab cut the city election places from over 180 to 5 and that caused the major backup to vote. So many things in your post to take issue with that I'm not going to take the time to go point by point. But this one I have to mention: The Election Commission (not Barrett) reduced the number of polling places because they didn't have any damn poll workers. And that was true of many places, including conservative Waukesha, whivh usually has about 13 polling places; this time they had 1. Hardly a power grab by Barrett, since his party stood to lose from the delays that resulted. If anything should be investigated, it should be why so many people never received the absentee ballots they requested. As for the voter purge, yeah, an appeals court overturned that, but don't worry, the state surpreme court owned by the GOP will take care of that by November. The whole thing was an incredible shit show, which is why EVERY SINGLE OTHER STATE in the same situation chose to postpone their elections.
I give up. This is obviously a very stupid place to try to have this conversation. I'm done.
https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraudJust a conviction rate is rare. Every election there are anomalies that can't be coincidence, the dead voting, more voters than registered voters in some precincts. Illegals voting in state wide and national elections. People going into group homes and "helping" mentally disabled people vote. Etc. Do some research, I am not making this up. And, there are still people convicted of voter fraud every election. Acorn had to close down due to fraud. Guess again. The liberals like to repeat the mantra voter fraud is rare, but it isn't.
Sanctimonious6
04-28-20, 18:08
Just a conviction rate is rare. Every election there are anomalies that can't be coincidence, the dead voting, more voters than registered voters in some precincts. Illegals voting in state wide and national elections. People going into group homes and "helping" mentally disabled people vote. Etc. Do some research, I am not making this up. And, there are still people convicted of voter fraud every election. Acorn had to close down due to fraud. Guess again. The liberals like to repeat the mantra voter fraud is rare, but it isn't.Take your own advice and do some research. Acorn was railroaded, O'Keefe was a fraud.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/03/08/james-okeefe-pays-100000-to-acorn-employee-he-smeared-conservative-media-yawns/
You can do all the research you want and you won't find _credible_ evidence of widespread voter fraud. And by credible I mean from a course other than Fox or some bogus rightwing org that invents its own "scandals" like O'Keefe.
Sanctimonious6
04-28-20, 19:10
This may be the most sensible thing I've read about the pandemic. Something folks with different perspectives on the issue may all appreciate.
https://markmanson.net/newsletters/motherfcking-monday-28
AnotherHobbist
04-28-20, 21:34
Take your own advice and do some research. Acorn was railroaded, O'Keefe was a fraud.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/03/08/james-okeefe-pays-100000-to-acorn-employee-he-smeared-conservative-media-yawns/
You can do all the research you want and you won't find _credible_ evidence of widespread voter fraud. And by credible I mean from a course other than Fox or some bogus rightwing org that invents its own "scandals" like O'Keefe.Yes. The only actual credible report of voting fraud (_ever_ ?) in the USA was In North Carolina's 9th Congressional District, where the state election board refused to certify the results of the election as it investigates the possibility that fraud helped Republican Mark Harris defeat Democrat Dan McCready by 905 votes out of more than 280,000 cast.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/05/we-finally-found-voter-fraud/
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/12/republicans-finally-have-a-voter-fraud-scandal-and-none-of-them-want-to-talk-about-it/ (I think they are more partisan).
There may not be any factual investigation type proof from the mail-in ballots, mostly because they don't investigate, but look at how some are storing the ballots. Some are stored with easy access like the guy that left some in his car and they have no chain of custody to show security. There are how many times when the votes are close and they mysteriously find more ballots that they forgot about or misplaced. A big part of absentee / mail-in ballots is there is no I'd check. Look at how they want to mail an absentee ballot request to all registered voters in Milwaukee even though they know the lists are outdated and inaccurate. That can lead to how many getting ballots sent to someone no longer there and filling it in for their candidate. Everyone that pays attention knows that Milw and Dane counties are highly democrat voters and with enough turning out to vote can effect the outcome. They had thousands of people to remove from the registration lists but then the Dems blocked that saying it was suppressing their right to vote, even though those people failed to do the confirmation when it was attempted. When I go in to vote in person and they check my I'd against the list I can look down and see 3 people registered to my address that shouldn't be. I bought my place mid 90's and found out during closing it was an estate sale because he had died but he is still registered along with the 80's aged woman that sold it. Then there is my Ex who has been gone for over 12 years. As much as I try to get that updated nobody will remove them and won't say who is suppose to do it.
As I said, there is no investigative proof because the Dems are able to prevent the investigations from being conducted. This last election should be investigated because the Dems were so pissed that the election wasn't postponed or altered, thanks to their Governor not requesting early on when he was suppose to and the house / senate mentioned it. Then Mayor Barrott in his almighty power grab cut the city election places from over 180 to 5 and that caused the major backup to vote. Many left due to the virus and safety but also due to the wait. I normally go in to vote and get in / out in 10 minutes or less but this time I had to leave the line after 1. 5 hrs. It would be an easy thing to get accurate lists but most won't because of all the work. They should just wipe all registration list clear and then have everyone reregister with showing their I'd's and residency.No one really knows how much voter fraud takes place because it's never investigated or prosecuted. It would be pretty easy to do in large cities dominated by one party. Most of large cities are controlled by the most corrupt and dishonest party that has ever existed and has been that way forever. The greatest example of this is Chicago and the Chicago way. Someone who isn't me looking into voting 10 or more times to help fight voter fraud on the other side. You can get top notch fake I'd's from the Philippines but SWIM is having trouble finding a postage stamper like the post office uses. SWIM really needs one of those to stamp some mail for proof of residence. The only way we will have a fair election is to be as dirty as the other side is and vote multiple times like swim.
So many things in your post to take issue with that I'm not going to take the time to go point by point. But this one I have to mention: The Election Commission (not Barrett) reduced the number of polling places because they didn't have any damn poll workers. And that was true of many places, including conservative Waukesha, whivh usually has about 13 polling places; this time they had 1. Hardly a power grab by Barrett, since his party stood to lose from the delays that resulted. If anything should be investigated, it should be why so many people never received the absentee ballots they requested. As for the voter purge, yeah, an appeals court overturned that, but don't worry, the state surpreme court owned by the GOP will take care of that by November. The whole thing was an incredible shit show, which is why EVERY SINGLE OTHER STATE in the same situation chose to postpone their elections.
I give up. This is obviously a very stupid place to try to have this conversation. I'm done.Like the title says stupid shit! The national guard offered to man the polling places in Milwaukee but were turned down by Barrett. He wanted as few polling places as possible and only in areas that favored him. Milwaukee isn't much different than Chicago.
Yes. The only actual credible report of voting fraud (_ever_ ?) in the USA was In North Carolina's 9th Congressional District, where the state election board refused to certify the results of the election as it investigates the possibility that fraud helped Republican Mark Harris defeat Democrat Dan McCready by 905 votes out of more than 280,000 cast.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/05/we-finally-found-voter-fraud/
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/12/republicans-finally-have-a-voter-fraud-scandal-and-none-of-them-want-to-talk-about-it/ (I think they are more partisan).I know, first hand, of vote "harvesting" in senior living, assisted living and nursing homes, in Wisconsin. I know of incidents reported to the Attorney General of Wisconsin. Think any of these were ever followed up. Nada. To say nothing about what happens on "activist" campuses, especially out of state students who can vote in two states without discovery.
Take your own advice and do some research. Acorn was railroaded, O'Keefe was a fraud.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/03/08/james-okeefe-pays-100000-to-acorn-employee-he-smeared-conservative-media-yawns/
You can do all the research you want and you won't find _credible_ evidence of widespread voter fraud. And by credible I mean from a course other than Fox or some bogus rightwing org that invents its own "scandals" like O'Keefe.Sorry, one dude at ACORN wins a case for a smear by James O'Keefe, does not eliminate all the phony voter registrations etc. ACORN created.
ACORN was railroaded? That is a laugh. All the court records show otherwise. The truth is out there, I suggest you find it. Is CNN a good enough source for you?
https://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/voter.fraud/
'Mitchell said ACORN threatened to close the office if he and his team didn't meet their quota to register 13 to 20 voters a day. So, without consulting their supervisors, he said, they came up with a plan.
"We came up with the idea: Let's make fraudulent cards. I tell my crew, 'I don't care how you get 'them, just get 'them,' " Mitchell recalled.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2009/oct/8/gender-bender-acorn-scandal-cleveland/
'That's because a cross-dressing Ohio male escort whom ACORN registered multiple times to vote was convicted of full-fledged vote fraud in addition to the lesser crime of voter registration fraud. A spokesman for Cleveland prosecutor Bill Mason confirmed yesterday that a local investigation of ACORN remains wide open.
The conviction of Darnell Nash, apparently known by several aliases including Serina "Sexy Slay" Gibbs, is hugely significant for several reasons, not least of which is the fact that ACORN has long maintained that vote fraud, as opposed to the lesser crime of voter registration fraud, essentially never happens. ".
"At least 18 former workers have admitted guilt or been convicted on varying charges of election fraud. The punishment has ranged from probation to several months of prison time. ".
"In Miami, seven former ACORN voter registration canvassers were convicted of "false swearing-in an election," and sentenced to probation and community service and banned from participating in future political campaigns, according to court documents. ".
"In Pennsylvania, six of seven former ACORN workers who were charged in an investigation were convicted of unsworn falsification and interference with election officials. Four have reached a plea agreement on reduced charges and will serve two years of probation. Cases against two others who entered pleas to reduced charges are pending. ".
"In Milwaukee, three former ACORN workers have been convicted of election fraud. ".
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB124182750646102435
Or perhaps Democrat President Jimmy Carter on a bipartisan commission? https://www.wsj.com/articles/heed-jimmy-carter-on-the-danger-of-mail-in-voting-11586557667.
"Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud. " That quote isn't from President Trump, who criticized mail-in voting this week after Wisconsin Democrats tried and failed to change an election at the last minute into an exclusively mail-in affair. It's the conclusion of the bipartisan 2005 report of the Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker III. '.
Nice try. I live in reality and with facts and truth.
Sanctimonious6
04-29-20, 19:20
Nice try. I live in reality and with facts and truth.I keep saying I'm done, but you keep slathering on the fully debunked b. S. ALL OF THAT STUFF HAS BEEN FULLY REFUTED and ACORN was vindicated. I don't expect you to read the whole damn report of the whole damn investigation, so I'll save you some time:
"The FEC identified four closed matters that involved allegations that ACORN or potentially related organizations violated the Federal Election Campaign Act. 28 For each of these matters, the FEC determined that there was no evidence that such violations occurred. These matters are summarized in table 5. EOUSA and the FBI identified six closed investigations, most concerning allegations of voter registration fraud on the part of ACORN employees. Of the six investigations, all were closed without federal prosecutorial action for reasons such as lack of, or insufficiency of, evidence. These investigations are summarized in table 6. "
https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10648r.pdf
Now I'm really done, because there is nothing I can say that will change your position. Because you have fully absorbed the Fox / Koch talking points, and no information will shake that belief.
I keep saying I'm done, but you keep slathering on the fully debunked b. S. ALL OF THAT STUFF HAS BEEN FULLY REFUTED and ACORN was vindicated. I don't expect you to read the whole damn report of the whole damn investigation, so I'll save you some time:
"The FEC identified four closed matters that involved allegations that ACORN or potentially related organizations violated the Federal Election Campaign Act. 28 For each of these matters, the FEC determined that there was no evidence that such violations occurred. These matters are summarized in table 5. EOUSA and the FBI identified six closed investigations, most concerning allegations of voter registration fraud on the part of ACORN employees. Of the six investigations, all were closed without federal prosecutorial action for reasons such as lack of, or insufficiency of, evidence. These investigations are summarized in table 6. "
https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10648r.pdf
Now I'm really done, because there is nothing I can say that will change your position. Because you have fully absorbed the Fox / Koch talking points, and no information will shake that belief.So you can say EVERY ACORN election fraud case was overturned, even the people that plead guilty. No you can't. You cherry picked just 4 cases. What about all of the others? Plus, I also posted other cases not related to ACORN, but you didn't address those. Funny you claim every piece of info you don't like is from Fox News, even though I posted links form liberal sources and did not use Fox at all. Nice straw man argument = fail.
Now that 8 women have come forward accusing Joe Biden of sexual misconduct and sexual assault where the the #me too #we must believe her #I believe her? This last one has it pretty well documented her mother called Larry King on air and reported it at the time it happened. Her friend, a neighbor, and brother back her up. Of course the official complaint she filed will go missing and never be found. The media all goes silent or says Joe Biden wouldn't do that LOL! No not creepy Joe.
No, Warren Buffett was smart enough to invest more in the market when it dropped. And since its up over 30% in the last month, he's probably made another $5,000,000,000 plus got back most of his losses. When the market hit 19,000 I decided to invest in my Roth for last year AND this year. $14,000 total. Today it's worth over $19,000 - not a bad gain for 30 days. We both learned our lessons on the market, when it goes down for little or no reason, it's bound to go back up for the same reason.
You still haven't answered why you put any faith in our decrepit 73 year old president. If it wasn't for Fauci Trump would look like an every bigger moron. He hired him for a reason.Berkshire Hathaway just had their annual meeting and Warren Buffet & Charlie Munger are definitely not buying stocks due to big declines that lie ahead for the stock market. Buffet reportedly lost 100 billion so far but has a huge pile of cash. They will play it safe both likely will not live to see a recovery. Charlie Munger is 96 and Buffet is close to 90. All airline stocks were liquidated as that industry is toast. Steve Forbes was on a weekend radio program being interviewed and is predicting a 3 year depression not recession. His view is 30% unemployment for the rest of 2020 - 15 to 20% unemployment for 2021 - 10 to 15% for 2022. Unemployment has reached 30 million people as of Friday and is expected to to 40-50 million by fall according to Steve Forbes. The really scary part is the national debt will likely soon exceed GDP. Plus it's going to take trillions upon trillions to keep the economy on life support. Today's stock tip invest in the company that makes the money printing machines. Their going to need lot more of them and will likely wear them all out running 24/7. Forbes prediction for the stock market was maybe another 25% decline at most if Trump is re-elected and a total decline of 80-90% if Biden is elected and of coarse Forbes is Republican to. Ah maybe shutting down all these states economies wasn't all that smart. After all shutting everything down was nothing to do with stopping covid 19 but merely flattening the curve and not over whelming hospital. As is being reported now covid 19 will only end when 70% of people have been exposed and it will burn out or a vaccine is found. Might be around for 2 years gonna be a long shutdown in Wisconsin.
GottaHaveSum
05-03-20, 16:43
Now that 8 women have come forward accusing Joe Biden of sexual misconduct and sexual assault where the the #me too #we must believe her #I believe her? This last one has it pretty well documented her mother called Larry King on air and reported it at the time it happened. Her friend, a neighbor, and brother back her up. Of course the official complaint she filed will go missing and never be found. The media all goes silent or says Joe Biden wouldn't do that LOL! No not creepy Joe.The #MeToo and I Believers was obviously just politically motivated garbage! Democrats have proven that with Tara Reades accusation! Anybody that says otherwise is ignorant!
Well well well the Wall Street Journal had a piece on Tony Evers and his Badger Bounce Back and gave it an F as in failure. Some people here say we should listen to the experts advice so here it is for all to enjoy. But he was not alone 3 other governors also received the F rating.
Now that 8 women have come forward accusing Joe Biden of sexual misconduct and sexual assault where the the #me too #we must believe her #I believe her? This last one has it pretty well documented her mother called Larry King on air and reported it at the time it happened. Her friend, a neighbor, and brother back her up. Of course the official complaint she filed will go missing and never be found. The media all goes silent or says Joe Biden wouldn't do that LOL! No not creepy Joe.Biden is not getting a free pass from the media. Misha Bresinski on Morning Joe on msnbc asked serious questions of Biden and held his feet to the fire on his answers. If you don't like Biden or the dems, fine but don't start making claims without any evidence and stuff off some conspiracy theory website doesn't constitute evidence. The jury is still out on Biden but Tara Reid's claims are certainly being investigated. Any republican not wanting an intense investigation is not doing his / her job and investigating dems is something the republicans love to do. If Biden did that stuff let him suffer the consequences.
LuvShortSkirts
05-05-20, 22:52
Biden is not getting a free pass from the media. Misha Bresinski on Morning Joe on msnbc asked serious questions of Biden and held his feet to the fire on his answers. If you don't like Biden or the dems, fine but don't start making claims without any evidence and stuff off some conspiracy theory website doesn't constitute evidence. The jury is still out on Biden but Tara Reid's claims are certainly being investigated. Any republican not wanting an intense investigation is not doing his / her job and investigating dems is something the republicans love to do. If Biden did that stuff let him suffer the consequences.When Christine Blasey Ford came forward against Brett Kavanaugh, it was obvious a stunt and really smelled rotten. I'm getting the same smell from Tara Reade's accusation. The funny thing is that she is a democrat. If this keeps up no one is going to believe women when they are truly violated.
So we had to sit and listen to the European governments criticize and make fun of the way America dealt with the stupid corona virus while they did it "all" the correct way! LOL look who's now seeing a massive resurgence of corona virus. Looks like herd immunity or some type of vaccine is the only answer which I won't be a guinea pig for. Two people I know who've suffered horrible side effects from common "safe" flu vaccine. Worse was septus that left the girl unable to walk had to quit a real high paying job in health care and go on disability now. One chance in 10,000 her doctor friends told her of contracting septus. Plus they really didn't think she was going to survive. Catch corona during summer months when it's safer? Less risk of pneumonia? Doctor in my hood tells me the cases they see at his hospital in Janesville are weaker than the common cold. YRMV especially if you have health problems or are black or hispanic. Designed by China to rid Africa of people so China can take it over? They sure want it! Ahh 2020 the year that wasn't and 2021 looks more of the same. Those thousand buck a week unemployment better not go away anytime soon or we will be over-run with escorts and no money to hire them.
So we had to sit and listen to the European governments criticize and make fun of the way America dealt with the stupid corona virus while they did it "all" the correct way! LOL look who's now seeing a massive resurgence of corona virus. Looks like herd immunity or some type of vaccine is the only answer which I won't be a guinea pig for. Two people I know who've suffered horrible side effects from common "safe" flu vaccine. Worse was septus that left the girl unable to walk had to quit a real high paying job in health care and go on disability now. One chance in 10,000 her doctor friends told her of contracting septus. Plus they really didn't think she was going to survive. Catch corona during summer months when it's safer? Less risk of pneumonia? Doctor in my hood tells me the cases they see at his hospital in Janesville are weaker than the common cold. YRMV especially if you have health problems or are black or hispanic. Designed by China to rid Africa of people so China can take it over? They sure want it! Ahh 2020 the year that wasn't and 2021 looks more of the same. Those thousand buck a week unemployment better not go away anytime soon or we will be over-run with escorts and no money to hire them.Welcome to the Internet, where you can find "news" from just about any stupid angle imaginable.
The problem with conspiracy theories is they presume too much competence and malevolence all at once.
You have a lot of misinformed information, honestly. I have been doing a variety of assistance for combating the virus since March and I can say that symptoms vary wildly. You either don't know you have it (which is what makes it so bad, because if you have a cold you know to stay home) or you could only portray some symptoms. I'd say about half of my patients say it's like the worst sickness they've had in their life. We don't know what the long term side effects are yet, either.
I highly doubt it was created by the Chinese to take over any country. It's a worldwide pandemic that doesn't discriminate. It was definitely man-made, but probably as a joint effort between America and China, and wasn't supposed to be exposed to anyone. Also, our greatest part of our country is also why we are so horrible at managing it. We have such a broad stretch of freedom we can't tell people what to do, and we are probably going to be suffering from this pandemic for a lot longer than needed.
Peter North 9
08-03-20, 20:17
You have a lot of misinformed information, honestly. I have been doing a variety of assistance for combating the virus since March and I can say that symptoms vary wildly. You either don't know you have it (which is what makes it so bad, because if you have a cold you know to stay home) or you could only portray some symptoms. I'd say about half of my patients say it's like the worst sickness they've had in their life. We don't know what the long term side effects are yet, either.
I highly doubt it was created by the Chinese to take over any country. It's a worldwide pandemic that doesn't discriminate. It was definitely man-made, but probably as a joint effort between America and China, and wasn't supposed to be exposed to anyone. Also, our greatest part of our country is also why we are so horrible at managing it. We have such a broad stretch of freedom we can't tell people what to do, and we are probably going to be suffering from this pandemic for a lot longer than needed.Joint effort between USA And China? Really? So what's the theory? Create something that kills mostly old people, to reduce the social security liability? Maybe picks off a small percentage of younger people, but what the heck? Then mix in a social issue that makes people riot? How does someone come up with an idea like this?
Joint effort between USA And China? Really? So what's the theory? Create something that kills mostly old people, to reduce the social security liability? Maybe picks off a small percentage of younger people, but what the heck? Then mix in a social issue that makes people riot? How does someone come up with an idea like this?No. I don't believe there was any conspiracy behind it at all. I'm sure it was just research being done on the SARS virus (we do research on most viruses, obviously) and this hybrid strain just got out by accident. They've already confirmed 3 locations that they were researching the COVID-19 version of SARS, and two of them are in America.
No. I don't believe there was any conspiracy behind it at all. I'm sure it was just research being done on the SARS virus (we do research on most viruses, obviously) and this hybrid strain just got out by accident. They've already confirmed 3 locations that they were researching the COVID-19 version of SARS, and two of them are in America.https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/10/us-halts-funding-new-risky-virus-studies-calls-voluntary-moratorium
Did Fauchi send it to China to circumvent this moratorium? Then sent millions of US money to finance it?
Sanctimonious6
08-04-20, 16:46
No. I don't believe there was any conspiracy behind it at all. I'm sure it was just research being done on the SARS virus (we do research on most viruses, obviously) and this hybrid strain just got out by accident. They've already confirmed 3 locations that they were researching the COVID-19 version of SARS, and two of them are in America.It's not man-made. It's not man-made. It's not man-made. It came from animals, probably bats. Okay, there is a greater than 0. 0% chance that it did not come from animals. But the people who actually spend their lives studying this shit are pretty sure it came from animals. No need for conspiracy theories when there is a much simpler, perfectly plausible explanation. But conspiracy theorists going to conspiracy theorize, I guess, so have at it if it makes you feel better. Not necessarily directing that at you, Dkays. You say you don't believe it's a conspiracy. Though thinking it was a research accident is still kind of conspiracy-minded.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/07/13/heres-how-scientists-know-the-coronavirus-wasnt-made-in-a-lab/
LumberJack5555
08-04-20, 17:04
Of its origin, it doesn't negate how bad this virus can be. It spares no age group and can spread like a wildfire. Many cases of young, vigorous people getting very sick and dying are well documented. Beyond how bad the symptoms can be, what is now bearing more consideration are the unknown long-term effects. We just don't know. For those who get a bad case, this is not a simple cold or flu. Lungs, heart, other organs can be scarred. Taking simple precautions are not difficult and show our concern for the health and well-being of others. Stay well. Be smart and safe out there!
It's not man-made. It's not man-made. It's not man-made. It came from animals, probably bats. Okay, there is a greater than 0. 0% chance that it did not come from animals. But the people who actually spend their lives studying this shit are pretty sure it came from animals. No need for conspiracy theories when there is a much simpler, perfectly plausible explanation. But conspiracy theorists going to conspiracy theorize, I guess, so have at it if it makes you feel better. Not necessarily directing that at you, Dkays. You say you don't believe it's a conspiracy. Though thinking it was a research accident is still kind of conspiracy-minded.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/07/13/heres-how-scientists-know-the-coronavirus-wasnt-made-in-a-lab/
Sanctimonious6
08-04-20, 19:02
Of its origin, it doesn't negate how bad this virus can be. It spares no age group and can spread like a wildfire. Many cases of young, vigorous people getting very sick and dying are well documented. Beyond how bad the symptoms can be, what is now bearing more consideration are the unknown long-term effects. We just don't know. For those who get a bad case, this is not a simple cold or flu. Lungs, heart, other organs can be scarred. Taking simple precautions are not difficult and show our concern for the health and well-being of others. Stay well. Be smart and safe out there!With you 100%. It will be a quite a while before we fully understand the long-term impact of this thing. And unfortunately the precautions only work if the vast majority of people are willing to take them.
With you 100%. It will be a quite a while before we fully understand the long-term impact of this thing. And unfortunately the precautions only work if the vast majority of people are willing to take them.I'll continue to avoid quasi-political comments on this forum, but let me say I'm relieved to see so many of you guys have an intelligent, common sense attitude toward this whole pandemic. Certain unnamed parties excepted.
It's not man-made. It's not man-made. It's not man-made. It came from animals, probably bats. Okay, there is a greater than 0. 0% chance that it did not come from animals. But the people who actually spend their lives studying this shit are pretty sure it came from animals. No need for conspiracy theories when there is a much simpler, perfectly plausible explanation. But conspiracy theorists going to conspiracy theorize, I guess, so have at it if it makes you feel better. Not necessarily directing that at you, Dkays. You say you don't believe it's a conspiracy. Though thinking it was a research accident is still kind of conspiracy-minded.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/07/13/heres-how-scientists-know-the-coronavirus-wasnt-made-in-a-lab/I'll have to check out that link later. The last time I looked into the "origin" was a while ago and they were saying it was almost impossible to have a new mutation of that strain of SARS so soon. I know that they do study and test with multiple strains of SARS, and that was the theory was that it was something that was being studied that leaked somehow.
Regardless, I don't think there was any ill-intent behind it. I also am not concerned so much as where it came from since right now I'm working to maintain it LOL. One thing that I saw that resonated was, 'Most medical professionals have said that a mask helps. You can possibly be saving lives by limiting the spread of the virus by wearing a mask, and if the experts are wrong all you're doing is a minor inconvenience to yourself. ' My wife has been wearing a mask and freaking out about this thing ever since it was only spoken about in China. I am not huge on wearing a mask everywhere I go, but it's really not that big of a deal to put one on and keep your distance from most people you don't know. At this point it's more of a courtesy than anything.
You have a lot of misinformed information, honestly. I have been doing a variety of assistance for combating the virus since March and I can say that symptoms vary wildly. You either don't know you have it (which is what makes it so bad, because if you have a cold you know to stay home) or you could only portray some symptoms. I'd say about half of my patients say it's like the worst sickness they've had in their life. We don't know what the long term side effects are yet, either.
I highly doubt it was created by the Chinese to take over any country. It's a worldwide pandemic that doesn't discriminate. It was definitely man-made, but probably as a joint effort between America and China, and wasn't supposed to be exposed to anyone. Also, our greatest part of our country is also why we are so horrible at managing it. We have such a broad stretch of freedom we can't tell people what to do, and we are probably going to be suffering from this pandemic for a lot longer than needed.I guess sarcasm doesn't translate well here at stupid shit. No corona virus wasn't created to take out African people. But given we've never seen anything like this and how unusual it affects different people I'm not discounting the possibility it escaped from a research lab. The media loves the shock value of the very rare healthy young person dying from corona virus. Healthy young people also get cancer and die to. People mostly likely to suffer complications come from cities it seems. My theory is a less robust immune system than the outdoors rural types like my area. I've not heard of anyone contracting it or testing positive in the area. Personally all I do is handsanitzer when returning to my truck. Hell has officially frozen over I wear a mask in stores now that it's required! If wearing masks would stop it I'd support it 100% but Europe tried that and it came roaring back. Don't really believe there's anything we could do other than a total 100% quarantine where no could leave their house for a month. One thing is for sure with GDP going off the cliff things ain't looking so good.
I guess sarcasm doesn't translate well here at stupid shit. No corona virus wasn't created to take out African people. But given we've never seen anything like this and how unusual it affects different people I'm not discounting the possibility it escaped from a research lab. The media loves the shock value of the very rare healthy young person dying from corona virus. Healthy young people also get cancer and die to. People mostly likely to suffer complications come from cities it seems. My theory is a less robust immune system than the outdoors rural types like my area. I've not heard of anyone contracting it or testing positive in the area. Personally all I do is handsanitzer when returning to my truck. Hell has officially frozen over I wear a mask in stores now that it's required! If wearing masks would stop it I'd support it 100% but Europe tried that and it came roaring back. Don't really believe there's anything we could do other than a total 100% quarantine where no could leave their house for a month. One thing is for sure with GDP going off the cliff things ain't looking so good.True, I did miss the sarcasm. I apologize. And no, unless you get an N100 a mask isn't going to stop the virus. The problem with Europe (and the cities here as you mentioned) is the spacing. COVID is droplet based, so it needs to be spread via coughing / sneezing / etc. If both parties wear a mask it's reduced significantly. If both parties wear a mask and physical distance plus hand sanitize / wash hands often, it's reduced less than 5%.
I'll be honest, even as a medical professional that is in Wisconsin to work for the community in regards to COVID, I didn't wear a mask all the time unless it was a place that required it. But if it's a rule, I'm not going to be upset to put one on for the safety of others. The logic behind wearing masks in combination with distancing makes sense.
I also agree that unless we had a true lock down, not the bs last time that wasn't enforced, this shit would be over in less than 2 months. But it is what it is. Our greatest aspect is our freedom, and it's also our biggest problems with a pandemic.
True, I did miss the sarcasm. I apologize. And no, unless you get an N100 a mask isn't going to stop the virus. The problem with Europe (and the cities here as you mentioned) is the spacing. COVID is droplet based, so it needs to be spread via coughing / sneezing / etc. If both parties wear a mask it's reduced significantly. If both parties wear a mask and physical distance plus hand sanitize / wash hands often, it's reduced less than 5%.
I'll be honest, even as a medical professional that is in Wisconsin to work for the community in regards to COVID, I didn't wear a mask all the time unless it was a place that required it. But if it's a rule, I'm not going to be upset to put one on for the safety of others. The logic behind wearing masks in combination with distancing makes sense.
I also agree that unless we had a true lock down, not the bs last time that wasn't enforced, this shit would be over in less than 2 months. But it is what it is. Our greatest aspect is our freedom, and it's also our biggest problems with a pandemic.In the immortal words of Howard, I'd like to say: "Go get that pussy. ".
In the immortal words of Howard, I'd like to say: "Go get that pussy. ".Speaking of Howard. I haven't seen him on here lately? I hope he's doing well.
I guess sarcasm doesn't translate well here at stupid shit. No corona virus wasn't created to take out African people. But given we've never seen anything like this and how unusual it affects different people I'm not discounting the possibility it escaped from a research lab. The media loves the shock value of the very rare healthy young person dying from corona virus. Healthy young people also get cancer and die to. People mostly likely to suffer complications come from cities it seems. My theory is a less robust immune system than the outdoors rural types like my area. I've not heard of anyone contracting it or testing positive in the area. Personally all I do is handsanitzer when returning to my truck. Hell has officially frozen over I wear a mask in stores now that it's required! If wearing masks would stop it I'd support it 100% but Europe tried that and it came roaring back. Don't really believe there's anything we could do other than a total 100% quarantine where no could leave their house for a month. One thing is for sure with GDP going off the cliff things ain't looking so good.I have listened to ID lectures for years warning about this virus. It was not man made, it evolved just like SARS-CoV-1, MERS, EBOLA etc. This is how virus' work. As far as masks go, there is more and more evidence that they work. A PAPR is best, a N95 is great, a surgical mask is ok but even a cloth mask helps. Europe did it and it worked. You can go to the Theatre in Italy, they are opening because their population did the patriotic thing and wore their masks and physically distanced. Seems weird to be writing this here but people have to get on board.
I have listened to ID lectures for years warning about this virus. It was not man made, it evolved just like SARS-CoV-1, MERS, EBOLA etc. This is how virus' work. As far as masks go, there is more and more evidence that they work. A PAPR is best, a N95 is great, a surgical mask is ok but even a cloth mask helps. Europe did it and it worked. You can go to the Theatre in Italy, they are opening because their population did the patriotic thing and wore their masks and physically distanced. Seems weird to be writing this here but people have to get on board.Looks like masks aren't all that! At least these crappy ones everyone is wearing. Since the new state ban here and elsewhere covid 19 rates are actually on the rise. Of course these are cheap worthless masks people think will offer protection but don't. Spain had a pretty restrictive shutdown for 3 or 4 months and soon as it was somewhat lifted 5000 new cases. Will this ever end? Hate to think of this winter covid will result in serious pneumonia.
YellowPeril
09-01-20, 15:52
Looks like masks aren't all that! At least these crappy ones everyone is wearing. Since the new state ban here and elsewhere covid 19 rates are actually on the rise. Of course these are cheap worthless masks people think will offer protection but don't. Spain had a pretty restrictive shutdown for 3 or 4 months and soon as it was somewhat lifted 5000 new cases. Will this ever end? Hate to think of this winter covid will result in serious pneumonia.At least in Dane County the rolling averages have been going down in the weeks since the mandate went into place here as of 8/27 (the last published PHMDC data).
At least in Dane County the rolling averages have been going down in the weeks since the mandate went into place here as of 8/27 (the last published PHMDC data).You were saying? Now look Dane county is at a record high amount with the college crowd back masks and all. Crazy freakin times glad I'm just a spectator at a considerable distance. Going to be a boring fall I'm boycotting all NFL & NBA sports over their support for looting and rioting.
CurbFeeler
09-11-20, 08:54
You were saying? Now look Dane county is at a record high amount with the college crowd back masks and all. Crazy freakin times glad I'm just a spectator at a considerable distance. Going to be a boring fall I'm boycotting all NFL & NBA sports over their support for looting and rioting.Notice how most comments on here are from mayor paul. & his misinformed imformation. Must be a trumper. Not Curb.
Sanctimonious6
09-11-20, 09:55
Notice how most comments on here are from mayor paul. & his misinformed imformation. Must be a trumper. Not Curb.While I'm guessing you're right about mayor paul's politics, and I disagree with most of what he writes, he's right about what's now happening in Dane Co. Huge spike in cases, driven almost entirely by UW campus. They made a huge mistake opening the campus this fall, and now it's too late to do anything but try to quarantine, because you can't very well send a bunch of sick students back to Mequon to infect their families and neighbors. The thing he's wrong about is the "masks and all" comment. The problem is that they're NOT wearing masks or social distancing. They are partying in crowds as if everything were normal. And the result is predictable.
LumberJack5555
09-11-20, 12:22
While I'm guessing you're right about mayor paul's politics, and I disagree with most of what he writes, he's right about what's now happening in Dane Co. Huge spike in cases, driven almost entirely by UW campus. They made a huge mistake opening the campus this fall, and now it's too late to do anything but try to quarantine, because you can't very well send a bunch of sick students back to Mequon to infect their families and neighbors. The thing he's wrong about is the "masks and all" comment. The problem is that they're NOT wearing masks or social distancing. They are partying in crowds as if everything were normal. And the result is predictable.Even the current office holder of the presidency told Woodward waaay back in early February that Covid 19 is much more deadly than the flu AND it is mostly spread airborne. While it's late, it's not too late to wear masks, socially distance, and save a lot of lives and the economy. We can still do this. Forget the politics and just do the right thing. If your neighbor suffered severe storm damage to his house, I really believe most of you would be out there in a second trying to help, regardless of your neighbor's politics. You wouldn't even think about that. While we can't see a tree downed on a front lawn or a roof ripped off, this disease is potentially even more deadly for many of our neighbors. The Greatest Generation gave their lives for our freedom and to save the lives of others around the world in WWII. Surely we can wear a mask and socially distance?
Notice how most comments on here are from mayor paul. & his misinformed imformation. Must be a trumper. Not Curb.Not a Trumper last time I voted was when I was 18 and now I'm in my 60's. I learned early how useless it was to vote for anyone in politics. Look at those people elected in Madison nuff said. Same goes for so called experts most of them are completely useless. Wouldn't survive on their own in the real world for more than a week or two. Good thing the government supports these two groups of parasites. Got to feeling when the aftermath of the corona virus hoax ends shit is going to hit the fan. I really hope it teaches people a good lesson like 1929 did. According to the doctor (surgeon) who lives in my area as high 90% of those died from corona virus died from underlying causes and not covid 19. Also said putting people on ventalors was killing them. He may or may not be correct because he's one of the top Drs in his field at Saint Mary's. Being an expert he may be wrong, he's also very anti-mask. According to him privately most of other Drs are also anti-mask but are prohibited by hospital policy from saying anything publicly or to patients. If they did they'd be terminated. All I know is I know of no one who's died or even contracted this virus. I don't expect this to change either. If your healthy, eat right, get sleep, and have a good immune system it's just like the flu your not going to get it. Just my views your results may vary. Have fun looting, rioting, and burning Madison to the ground. Keep supporting those who condone looting and arson like the NFL & NBA players and teams. See the ratings for Chiefs game last night guess I'm not alone. Here's a suggestion leave those small business owners alone on State St. And go burn Maple Bluff or Walmart. And yes I'm being sarcastic.
I hate politics, especially when morons blame Trump for everything. Sure he's a buffoon at times but it's now ridiculous.
I added that Trump mention because he's getting crucified for COVID yet I have been informed repeatedly that what is stated below is correct. I have two immediate family members who do medical research and they have daily access to a dozen or so top research physicians in the Midwest. Covid deaths were exaggerated by over 90%- look at the new revised CDC numbers. It's startling how badly they initially lied. Even many Repubs bought into the Dems panic.
They also have the same opinions on the masks. The only ones benefitting are the mask manufacturers.
Finally when (if) there is a vaccine it will be as effective as the flu vaccine which means it won't work for have the population anyways.
Not a Trumper last time I voted was when I was 18 and now I'm in my 60's. I learned early how useless it was to vote for anyone in politics. Look at those people elected in Madison nuff said. Same goes for so called experts most of them are completely useless. Wouldn't survive on their own in the real world for more than a week or two. Good thing the government supports these two groups of parasites. Got to feeling when the aftermath of the corona virus hoax ends shit is going to hit the fan. I really hope it teaches people a good lesson like 1929 did. According to the doctor (surgeon) who lives in my area as high 90% of those died from corona virus died from underlying causes and not covid 19. Also said putting people on ventalors was killing them. He may or may not be correct because he's one of the top Drs in his field at Saint Mary's. Being an expert he may be wrong, he's also very anti-mask. According to him privately most of other Drs are also anti-mask but are prohibited by hospital policy from saying anything publicly or to patients. If they did they'd be terminated. All I know is I know of no one who's died or even contracted this virus. I don't expect this to change either. If your healthy, eat right, get sleep, and have a good immune system it's just like the flu your not going to get it. Just my views your results may vary. Have fun looting, rioting, and burning Madison to the ground. Keep supporting those who condone looting and arson like the NFL & NBA players and teams. See the ratings for Chiefs game last night guess I'm not alone. Here's a suggestion leave those small business owners alone on State St. And go burn Maple Bluff or Walmart. And yes I'm being sarcastic.
RawlSocket
09-11-20, 17:30
Not a Trumper last time I voted was when I was 18 and now I'm in my 60's. I learned early how useless it was to vote for anyone in politics. Look at those people elected in Madison nuff said. Same goes for so called experts most of them are completely useless. Wouldn't survive on their own in the real world for more than a week or two. Good thing the government supports these two groups of parasites. Got to feeling when the aftermath of the corona virus hoax ends shit is going to hit the fan. I really hope it teaches people a good lesson like 1929 did. According to the doctor (surgeon) who lives in my area as high 90% of those died from corona virus died from underlying causes and not covid 19. Also said putting people on ventalors was killing them. He may or may not be correct because he's one of the top Drs in his field at Saint Mary's. Being an expert he may be wrong, he's also very anti-mask. According to him privately most of other Drs are also anti-mask but are prohibited by hospital policy from saying anything publicly or to patients. If they did they'd be terminated. All I know is I know of no one who's died or even contracted this virus. I don't expect this to change either. If your healthy, eat right, get sleep, and have a good immune system it's just like the flu your not going to get it. Just my views your results may vary. Have fun looting, rioting, and burning Madison to the ground. Keep supporting those who condone looting and arson like the NFL & NBA players and teams. See the ratings for Chiefs game last night guess I'm not alone. Here's a suggestion leave those small business owners alone on State St. And go burn Maple Bluff or Walmart. And yes I'm being sarcastic.It's great that you're not in charge of anything. It's always easy to think you're smarter than the scientists out there. Exaggerated? Hardly, look at the numbers. You thought it would go away just like the flu in the spring. Gee where have we heard that before? As for dying from an underlying cause, newsflash, that's how it and flu kills people. And please, don't give that bullshit about doctors being anti-mask, that's just the stupid showing. So please, just sit back and be a Monday morning quarterback and complain about things without doing anything. Be sure to complain about the election, don't vote and then complain about the results.
Sanctimonious6
09-11-20, 17:52
It's great that you're not in charge of anything. It's always easy to think you're smarter than the scientists out there. Exaggerated? Hardly, look at the numbers. You thought it would go away just like the flu in the spring. Gee where have we heard that before? As for dying from an underlying cause, newsflash, that's how it and flu kills people. And please, don't give that bullshit about doctors being anti-mask, that's just the stupid showing. So please, just sit back and be a Monday morning quarterback and complain about things without doing anything. Be sure to complain about the election, don't vote and then complain about the results.Thank you for this, Rawl. I'm done trying to reason with the "alternative facts" crowd. Because obviously that one doctor buddy knows a lot more than the entire public health community. Besides, the very notion of "public health" is just one big conspiracy, right? Oh, BTW, I do know a few people who got COVID. Fortunately only one of them, a good friend, got very sick, and he did recover, but he was in the hospital for several days and is still not back to 100% a month later.
LumberJack5555
09-12-20, 18:09
Not a Trumper last time I voted was when I was 18 and now I'm in my 60's. I learned early how useless it was to vote for anyone in politics. Look at those people elected in Madison nuff said. Same goes for so called experts most of them are completely useless. Wouldn't survive on their own in the real world for more than a week or two. Good thing the government supports these two groups of parasites. Got to feeling when the aftermath of the corona virus hoax ends shit is going to hit the fan. I really hope it teaches people a good lesson like 1929 did. According to the doctor (surgeon) who lives in my area as high 90% of those died from corona virus died from underlying causes and not covid 19. Also said putting people on ventalors was killing them. He may or may not be correct because he's one of the top Drs in his field at Saint Mary's. Being an expert he may be wrong, he's also very anti-mask. According to him privately most of other Drs are also anti-mask but are prohibited by hospital policy from saying anything publicly or to patients. If they did they'd be terminated. All I know is I know of no one who's died or even contracted this virus. I don't expect this to change either. If your healthy, eat right, get sleep, and have a good immune system it's just like the flu your not going to get it. Just my views your results may vary. Have fun looting, rioting, and burning Madison to the ground. Keep supporting those who condone looting and arson like the NFL & NBA players and teams. See the ratings for Chiefs game last night guess I'm not alone. Here's a suggestion leave those small business owners alone on State St. And go burn Maple Bluff or Walmart. And yes I'm being sarcastic.It's so easy to be critical and judgemental when you sit in the cheap seats. It's that attitude that has landed us where we are today, regardless of where you stand politically. And it's not just voting that matters. It's as simple as getting involved in local issues that concern us. Taking a risk and putting yourself out there. Even if it feels like you're banging your head against the wall. Change is slow, but change does move us along. Not voting for 40 or 50 years excludes you from the conversation. Lumber out.
It's great that you're not in charge of anything. It's always easy to think you're smarter than the scientists out there. Exaggerated? Hardly, look at the numbers. You thought it would go away just like the flu in the spring. Gee where have we heard that before? As for dying from an underlying cause, newsflash, that's how it and flu kills people. And please, don't give that bullshit about doctors being anti-mask, that's just the stupid showing. So please, just sit back and be a Monday morning quarterback and complain about things without doing anything. Be sure to complain about the election, don't vote and then complain about the results.Thank you to everyone for proving my point your a perfect example of the typical Madison resident. Blindly following the so-called experts thinking they really have all the answers. Personally I'm not much for being a sheep or being told what to do. I don't care if you choose to wear a mask or not it was a free country. I choose not to unless there's a Nazi at the door forcing it. 90% of places do not enforce it and even employees have quit wearing masks. The same result no covid 19 to be found. Just like the flu hype we hear every year the flu kills 100,000 people I'm 63 and do not know a single person who's died from influenza complications. Haven't heard of anyone even getting the common flu for 25 years. I'll never vote for anyone in any election because my life and everyone else who's reading this will not change in the least because of who the President or Governor is. It's no different under Trump as it was with Clinton. Same for Govenor no difference under Tommy Thompson and Evers. Voting for anyone is a complete waste of my time and just will never happen again. When the smoke and mirrors settle on the current state of affairs I'll be just a happy spectator. If your afraid of corona virus go hide in your basement where your safe and let everyone else live their own life. This nonsense of being terrified of corona virus has gone on to long enough most people understand now it's a hoax it's a non-event. When I actually see some people coming down with or getting terribly ill from it maybe that will change. I'm not listening to a half witt Governor or a dingbat journalist for my information. When I see it with my own eyes I'll believe it not media person reading a telapromter. There is an old saying dont believe anything you hear or read and half of what you see. That has never been proven so true as with the corona virus debacle we have.
CurbFeeler
09-13-20, 09:29
Thank you to everyone for proving my point your a perfect example of the typical Madison resident. Blindly following the so-called experts thinking they really have all the answers. Personally I'm not much for being a sheep or being told what to do. I don't care if you choose to wear a mask or not it was a free country. I choose not to unless there's a Nazi at the door forcing it. 90% of places do not enforce it and even employees have quit wearing masks. The same result no covid 19 to be found. Just like the flu hype we hear every year the flu kills 100,000 people I'm 63 and do not know a single person who's died from influenza complications. Haven't heard of anyone even getting the common flu for 25 years. I'll never vote for anyone in any election because my life and everyone else who's reading this will not change in the least because of who the President or Governor is. It's no different under Trump as it was with Clinton. Same for Govenor no difference under Tommy Thompson and Evers. Voting for anyone is a complete waste of my time and just will never happen again. When the smoke and mirrors settle on the current state of affairs I'll be just a happy spectator. If your afraid of corona virus go hide in your basement where your safe and let everyone else live their own life. This nonsense of being terrified of corona virus has gone on to long enough most people understand now it's a hoax it's a non-event. When I actually see some people coming down with or getting terribly ill from it maybe that will change. I'm not listening to a half witt Governor or a dingbat journalist for my information. When I see it with my own eyes I'll believe it not media person reading a telapromter. There is an old saying dont believe anything you hear or read and half of what you see. That has never been proven so true as with the corona virus debacle we have.Too bad you don't believe facts. People have died from this shit. Trump could have protected us, but chose not to. So don't come protect him by spreading his BULLSHIT! You don't vote so shut up & go lay by your Bowl. Your stupid. Wake up. Read facts. The real fake news is Donald JUVENILE Trump. & the PUTZ Pence. Curb. Not there.
Too bad you don't believe facts. People have died from this shit. Trump could have protected us, but chose not to. So don't come protect him by spreading his BULLSHIT! You don't vote so shut up & go lay by your Bowl. Your stupid. Wake up. Read facts. The real fake news is Donald JUVENILE Trump. & the PUTZ Pence. Curb. Not there.It's all good curb Dane county people have their opinions and the rest of Wisconsin has our. We don't hold it against you people we feel sorry you've been brainwashed since daycare and kindergarten. And no politician anywhere in the world has stopped this "flu" virus. Perhaps it could of if a total ban on all travel to all countries. And a total ban on all imports because ship crew members could be carriers. Both of those aren't feasible are they. So far the tough love approach of herd immunity seems to be the best way to deal with it. If we would done that it's over and done. All we are doing is prolonging this virus and ensuring it will be here for years. A vaccine? Not a chance people are to smart to be guinea pigs outside Dane county. If you want the real truth do not listen to the Madison media it's custom tailored for the 90% Dane county democrats. Your not going to get the truth or facts from Dane county's propaganda machine. Dane county has your views the rest of us in Wisconsin have ours. That's how Trump won Wisconsin and will again. Without my vote I might add. I know nothing changes I've observed this since Reason was elected the original hope and change President. News flash nothing changed since then presidents come and go but nothing really changes. Voting is like wearing a mask a choice for each individual to make.
SplitTailLover
09-13-20, 22:44
It's all good curb Dane county people have their opinions and the rest of Wisconsin has our. We don't hold it against you people we feel sorry you've been brainwashed since daycare and kindergarten. And no politician anywhere in the world has stopped this "flu" virus. Perhaps it could of if a total ban on all travel to all countries. And a total ban on all imports because ship crew members could be carriers. Both of those aren't feasible are they. So far the tough love approach of herd immunity seems to be the best way to deal with it. If we would done that it's over and done. All we are doing is prolonging this virus and ensuring it will be here for years. A vaccine? Not a chance people are to smart to be guinea pigs outside Dane county. If you want the real truth do not listen to the Madison media it's custom tailored for the 90% Dane county democrats. Your not going to get the truth or facts from Dane county's propaganda machine. Dane county has your views the rest of us in Wisconsin have ours. That's how Trump won Wisconsin and will again. Without my vote I might add. I know nothing changes I've observed this since Reason was elected the original hope and change President. News flash nothing changed since then presidents come and go but nothing really changes. Voting is like wearing a mask a choice for each individual to make.Please only speak for yourself sir, I am from outside Dane County and do not agree with you. For someone that does not care about politics, I think thee protest too much.
Please only speak for yourself sir, I am from outside Dane County and do not agree with you. For someone that does not care about politics, I think thee protest too much.With watching sports out of the question stirring the pot is my new entertainment. Plus the spectacle of politics is so entertaining each side thinking their world will end if the other side wins. When in truth nothing changes but the players.
With watching sports out of the question stirring the pot is my new entertainment. Plus the spectacle of politics is so entertaining each side thinking their world will end if the other side wins. When in truth nothing changes but the players.Guys. This division is killing us, and if all we can think is how to annihilate those with misguided or even stupid views, we're really headed to a bad place.
Although I disagree with MayorPaul's views 99% of the time, and find his desire to stir the pot for entertainment to be in terrible taste if not outright disgusting, we have to realize that he could be our uncle, or dad, our neighbor, and I for one have quite a few people in my family that occasionally think in similar ways.
MayorPaul, my brother, I'd rather try to find one thing that we can agree on, rather than dwell on the many we differ on. I hope you can at least agree that the government's mismanagement of the IMMENSE monetary resources that have been thrown at this issue is probably criminal, and at the very least grossly incompetent.
If you think that with the amount of $$ that was spent in all the stimulus / bailout efforts what has been done was the most appropriate response ($3. 5 trillion in the first package alone.), then you my friend are a sheep that's blissfully consuming their lies.
That's an enormous amount of money. More than $10 k for every US citizen, adult or child. I hope you got your $10 k's worth of relief, because the bill will be footed by our kids and grandkids.
What could we have done different? I'll just give you one of hundreds of examples. Just take $1. 5 trillion (giving you a healthy discount) and consider how much that would be for Dane county, per population: about $2. 5 billion. Instead of bailing out corporations and propping up the fantasy land that's the stock market, how about you did the following (right here at home, in Dane county):
Give $1. 5 B to Exact Sciences and Promega back in spring, with a charge to be ready to test every resident of Dane County *twice a week* starting in August. If you think that's not doable, you're grossly mistaken. That money is 6 x the annual revenue of either of these companies; they would absolutely jump at the opportunity (although central leadership and coordination would also be key).
Then, use the remaining $1 B to pay $2 k to every resident (adult or child) that's willing to take part in this testing regimen. If you, MayorPaul, don't want to do this because you think it's fascism, no problem at all. You just won't get the $2 k. Fair?
If we did that, we can pretty much go back to normal. Get back to work, restaurants, schools, etc. If you're testing at that frequency, you can curtail the spread to choke this out, and probably you wouldn't even need to have mandatory masks. Just go back to normal life. Cheaper than what we have done, if you ask me. And a great boost to the local economy.
There's nothing I would have liked more than the Trump administration having done better with this. I'd rather be buying you a beer at your local bar, than living in this state of craziness and division, and be pissed at you trolling the board.
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