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Since you guys refuse to stay on topic in ANY review thread I've given you a space for your unending arguments. There are other threads like this around the forum, Cincy has The Octagon, Detroit has Motor City Madness, in Boston it's The Massholes. I called it Stupid Shit but if anybody has a better idea, feel free to suggest it.
There are a different set of rules in here. I won't redact fighting, you can call each other cocksuckers, stupid motherfuckers, whatever you want but no hate speech. The words, nigger, spick, kike, jap (but not Jap.) dot, ect. or any use of words intended to be racially or ethnically derogatory are still not allowed.
No posting real personal info. Mostly what you can do it argue. What this means of course if there is ZERO tolerance on the review threads for that now. Normally it takes one infraction for a regular member to get put on permanent moderation and two for a senior to go back on. In NoVa now that number is the same for both, 1.
A2
There's a gold mine of information in this forum for those who choose not to pay inflated list prices. I wish you much success digging for it.Self-respecting providers don't negotiate rates. They also blacklist you right off the bat if you attempt to. Also, that self-respect tends to correlate greatly with many other factors, such as self-care, attractiveness, health, enthusiasm, and location. You tend to get what you pay for, and below a threshold $, most options are disgusting. I am bewildered that people pay $ to spend time with some of these options at all.
RustyMuffler
10-30-18, 21:46
These statements are very broad generalizations. Too broad, if you ask me.
While I agree that one generally does "get what you pay for," the market is often imperfect and occassionally needs to be helped to find its equilibrium. I have seen some women at bargain bottom rates who were anything but disgusting. And those are the ones I share with my fellow travelers on this website. And I count on them to share their special finds with me.
On the other hand, if one always wants to pay top dollar, there are plenty of options to do that around these parts. However, I would also note that the opposite is sometimes true as well. Some very expensive, so-called "high class" providers are overpriced and offer little to no value for their prices.
The good news is, everyone gets to spend their money however they so desire.
Happy hunting.
Self-respecting providers don't negotiate rates. They also blacklist you right off the bat if you attempt to. Also, that self-respect tends to correlate greatly with many other factors, such as self-care, attractiveness, health, enthusiasm, and location. You tend to get what you pay for, and below a threshold $, most options are disgusting. I am bewildered that people pay $ to spend time with some of these options at all.
SuperJimmyC
11-01-18, 15:25
I'm glad you can afford to hang out with top of the line escorts. More power to you! I'll admit I know almost nothing about dealing with higher priced girls because I can't afford it and I don't even bother trying to hook up with them.
Some mongers (driven by efforts to save money) are even messing around with street walkers in order to get their rocks off. While paying like only $20 or $40 per encounter. The prices are great but IMHO, there's a lot of very negative stuff that goes along with those very low rates that I personally am not ready to deal with. But to each their own!
But For Average Escort Mongers Who Can't Afford The High Priced Ladies And Don't Want To Deal With Streetwalkers:
But for the average escort monger almost everything revolves around their monthly budget, what they want and how much they're willing to spend per encounter. The higher priced escorts may not be into negotiating but nice looking lower priced ones are often available to lower their rates in order to gain a regular. They're not as fine on average as the average high priced escort but they are very decent looking women.
I personally know negotiations do work on escorts such as the ones that charge in the $120-160/ HH range. They on average look better than most escorts. And they know it. They will come down just $20 - if they'll come down at all. The smarter ones figure, why lose out on $120-$140 and also lose the chance to gain a regular? When I'm on the hunt for a new escort for my team. Which isn't often, I'll send out text messages to my well researched targets asking for a discount and letting them know that if I have a good time with them. They'll have a new regular. If they reply to the affirmative, then I'll call them. Some do, some don't and I've obtained quality regulars over the years for what I consider very reasonable rates.
Below $100/ HH??
Any decent looking babe is not going below $100/ HH theses days and a $100/ HH offer is often considered an offense to many escorts who do look better than the average escort and are charging $140 on up for the HH. But a babe listed at $120/ HH is a good candidate to come down to $100/ HH.
Mongers who really do their research can find very decent looking escorts listed for only $100 and IMHO, most of them are going to be of the Hispanic persuasion. It will be hard getting those $100 babes to go below $100 - it's a matter of pride with most of them, so the best bet is to settle for that decent looking escort for just $100/ HH and have your fun.
The escorts charging $80/ HH are almost always. Fat, BBW, older, out of shape and / or ugly in the face and they know it. That's why they charge only $80/ HH. But that doesn't mean they can't provide good service. This is when mongers get real liberal when describing their escort friends. I have one mediocre looking girl (IMHO, she's not ugly) in my starting lineup and she's UTR but I'm sure some monger or two in here would describe her as homely. But my sessions with her are always outstanding! All my other regulars would be at least a 7. 5 in most men's eyes IMHO.
We do often get what we pay for but in my experience. It depends on what a monger is looking for, and the girl charging $200/ HH isn't going to be any better to me from the girl charging only $120/ HH. Sure, the more expensive one is normally at a better hotel and she looks a lot better than the average escort, but she's not going to be any cleaner than my regulars and from my experience the pussy isn't going to be any better. She may look better than my regulars but for another $80-$100 per HH. And because of my budget concerns. Paying that extra amount won't be worth it to me. Beauty has its place but it's not the be all to end all for me. I'm not going to deal with a escort who has a pimp so I don't have to worry about that and the hotel she'll be using will be decent or I'm not coming back. I don't mind a hotel room being messy but I do have a big problem with dirty and filthy.
I've splurged a few times on higher priced girls and the pussy is not actually any better. IMHO. The wrapping around the pussy may be better. But not the pussy itself and my experience using it. To work my tool. Truth be told, all mongers would like to deal with the higher priced girls but simply can't afford it.
I'll admit it, I can't afford $200 per session, so the top rate that I'm willing to pay on a consistent basis is $120 HH. Only for half hours and I'm at peace with my monger situation. I won't go into the how to details but my average encounter costs me $90/ HH. I'm not going to bother doing hours because no matter how I stagger my viagra timing & dosage, I still can't perform two pops within an hour and I don't need to hang around an escort. Just for her company or conversation. So an hour session is a waste of my time and money. So I don't bother doing hours.
Everything for the typical monger revolves around what he can afford. Bargains are out there for those who do their research and know what they want. On average GFE stuff will cost more and any monger can build a team of escorts to serve his needs. If a monger is interested in model type girls that charge top rates, I hope he can afford to pay those rates, most of us can't but if you can. More power to you.
Happy Mongering!
SJ.
P.S. Here's an example of a nice looking woman with a nice body who performs non-GFE escort services for less than $140/ HH. She recently tried to up her rate to $140/ HH but I guess production fell off, so now she accepts only $120/ HH and IMHO, she looks better than 85% of the women listed. She may even go for $100/ HH since she's listed at $120. She hangs out in the Catonsville area near Baltimore and she also spends time in Camp Springs. I saw her once over two years ago, had a good time and she's back on my radar. Recent reviews of her say she performs, still looks like her pics, looks much better in person and I will catch up with her sooner or later. IMHO, she's a bargain!
https://adultsearch.com/maryland/baltimore/female-escorts/1201289
Self-respecting providers don't negotiate rates. They also blacklist you right off the bat if you attempt to. Also, that self-respect tends to correlate greatly with many other factors, such as self-care, attractiveness, health, enthusiasm, and location. You tend to get what you pay for, and below a threshold $, most options are disgusting. I am bewildered that people pay $ to spend time with some of these options at all.
Self-respecting providers don't negotiate rates. They also blacklist you right off the bat if you attempt to. Also, that self-respect tends to correlate greatly with many other factors, such as self-care, attractiveness, health, enthusiasm, and location. You tend to get what you pay for, and below a threshold $, most options are disgusting. I am bewildered that people pay $ to spend time with some of these options at all.This is obviously some chick with a bad case of GPS. I'd bet she thinks she a legend between the sheets but my money says she probably has more rules than a school teacher.
Go away
A2
SJ,
Spot on brother! The girls I see / we see are very attractive, hygenic, etc. A fool and their money are easily parted and if they're happy, good for them. There are plenty of greats out there to be enjoyed at "off the rack" donations.
I've had the best luck negotiating during off peak hours.
I'm glad you can afford to hang out with top of the line escorts. More power to you! I'll admit I know almost nothing about dealing with higher priced girls because I can't afford it and I don't even bother trying to hook up with them.
Some mongers (driven by efforts to save money) are even messing around with street walkers in order to get their rocks off. While paying like only $20 or $40 per encounter. The prices are great but IMHO, there's a lot of very negative stuff that goes along with those very low rates that I personally am not ready to deal with. But to each their own!
But For Average Escort Mongers Who Can't Afford The High Priced Ladies And Don't Want To Deal With Streetwalkers:
But for the average escort monger almost everything revolves around their monthly budget, what they want and how much they're willing to spend per encounter. The higher priced escorts may not be into negotiating but nice looking lower priced ones are often available to lower their rates in order to gain a regular. They're not as fine on average as the average high priced escort but they are very decent looking women.
I personally know negotiations do work on escorts such as the ones that charge in the $120-160/ HH range. They on average look better than most escorts. And they know it. They will come down just $20 - if they'll come down at all. The smarter ones figure, why lose out on $120-$140 and also lose the chance to gain a regular? When I'm on the hunt for a new escort for my team. Which isn't often, I'll send out text messages to my well researched targets asking for a discount and letting them know that if I have a good time with them. They'll have a new regular. If they reply to the affirmative, then I'll call them. Some do, some don't and I've obtained quality regulars over the years for what I consider very reasonable rates.
Below $100/ HH??
Any decent looking babe is not going below $100/ HH theses days and a $100/ HH offer is often considered an offense to many escorts who do look better than the average escort and are charging $140 on up for the HH. But a babe listed at $120/ HH is a good candidate to come down to $100/ HH.
Mongers who really do their research can find very decent looking escorts listed for only $100 and IMHO, most of them are going to be of the Hispanic persuasion. It will be hard getting those $100 babes to go below $100 - it's a matter of pride with most of them, so the best bet is to settle for that decent looking escort for just $100/ HH and have your fun.
The escorts charging $80/ HH are almost always. Fat, BBW, older, out of shape and / or ugly in the face and they know it. That's why they charge only $80/ HH. But that doesn't mean they can't provide good service. This is when mongers get real liberal when describing their escort friends. I have one mediocre looking girl (IMHO, she's not ugly) in my starting lineup and she's UTR but I'm sure some monger or two in here would describe her as homely. But my sessions with her are always outstanding! All my other regulars would be at least a 7. 5 in most men's eyes IMHO.
We do often get what we pay for but in my experience. It depends on what a monger is looking for, and the girl charging $200/ HH isn't going to be any better to me from the girl charging only $120/ HH. Sure, the more expensive one is normally at a better hotel and she looks a lot better than the average escort, but she's not going to be any cleaner than my regulars and from my experience the pussy isn't going to be any better. She may look better than my regulars but for another $80-$100 per HH. And because of my budget concerns. Paying that extra amount won't be worth it to me. Beauty has its place but it's not the be all to end all for me. I'm not going to deal with a escort who has a pimp so I don't have to worry about that and the hotel she'll be using will be decent or I'm not coming back. I don't mind a hotel room being messy but I do have a big problem with dirty and filthy.
I've splurged a few times on higher priced girls and the pussy is not actually any better. IMHO. The wrapping around the pussy may be better. But not the pussy itself and my experience using it. To work my tool. Truth be told, all mongers would like to deal with the higher priced girls but simply can't afford it.
I'll admit it, I can't afford $200 per session, so the top rate that I'm willing to pay on a consistent basis is $120 HH. Only for half hours and I'm at peace with my monger situation. I won't go into the how to details but my average encounter costs me $90/ HH. I'm not going to bother doing hours because no matter how I stagger my viagra timing & dosage, I still can't perform two pops within an hour and I don't need to hang around an escort. Just for her company or conversation. So an hour session is a waste of my time and money. So I don't bother doing hours.
Everything for the typical monger revolves around what he can afford. Bargains are out there for those who do their research and know what they want. On average GFE stuff will cost more and any monger can build a team of escorts to serve his needs. If a monger is interested in model type girls that charge top rates, I hope he can afford to pay those rates, most of us can't but if you can. More power to you.
Happy Mongering!
SJ.
P.S. Here's an example of a nice looking woman with a nice body who performs non-GFE escort services for less than $140/ HH. She recently tried to up her rate to $140/ HH but I guess production fell off, so now she accepts only $120/ HH and IMHO, she looks better than 85% of the women listed. She may even go for $100/ HH since she's listed at $120. She hangs out in the Catonsville area near Baltimore and she also spends time in Camp Springs. I saw her once over two years ago, had a good time and she's back on my radar. Recent reviews of her say she performs, still looks like her pics, looks much better in person and I will catch up with her sooner or later. IMHO, she's a bargain!
https://adultsearch.com/maryland/baltimore/female-escorts/1201289
SuperJimmyC
11-02-18, 08:56
Who knows, it could be some guy who's got monthly money to burn and wants to spend it on high priced escorts. Maybe he doesn't care about shopping around even though rates are wildly different for the same type of higher priced girl. One could be $400 and hour and another could be $600 per hour but that may not matter to this guy.
If he can afford it I say more power to him.
Happy Mongering!
SJ.
This is obviously some chick with a bad case of GPS. I'd bet she thinks she a legend between the sheets but my money says she probably has more rules than a school teacher.
Go away
A2
Since you guys refuse to stay on topic in ANY review thread I've given you a space for your unending arguments. There are other threads like this around the forum, Cincy has The Octagon, Detroit has Motor City Madness, in Boston it's The Massholes. I called it Stupid Shit but if anybody has a better idea, feel free to suggest it.
There are a different set of rules in here. I won't redact fighting, you can call each other cocksuckers, stupid motherfuckers, whatever you want but no hate speech. The words, nigger, spick, kike, jap (but not Jap.) dot, ect. or any use of words intended to be racially or ethnically derogatory are still not allowed.
No posting real personal info. Mostly what you can do it argue. What this means of course if there is ZERO tolerance on the review threads for that now. Normally it takes one infraction for a regular member to get put on permanent moderation and two for a senior to go back on. In NoVa now that number is the same for both, 1.
A2Stupid Shit works just fine! Hopefully this will clean up the informative threads.
BSOT.
It will either clean them up or some guys who have grown accustomed to being d-bags are going to find they get adult supervision.
A2
Who knows, it could be some guy who's got monthly money to burn and wants to spend it on high priced escorts. Maybe he doesn't care about shopping around even though rates are wildly different for the same type of higher priced girl. One could be $400 and hour and another could be $600 per hour but that may not matter to this guy.
If he can afford it I say more power to him.
Happy Mongering!
SJ.I know guys like that and they don't do all of the "if you can't pay it you're a loser and the chicks you fuck are disgusting. ".
I'd bet a sizable amount of money that it's a chick. You can see the resting b1 tchface that comes with it if you read closely.
A2.
P.S., I forgot, it's a fight thread, I need to add a fuck you or two LOL.
Since you guys refuse to stay on topic in ANY review thread I've given you a space for your unending arguments. There are other threads like this around the forum, Cincy has The Octagon, Detroit has Motor City Madness, in Boston it's The Massholes. I called it Stupid Shit but if anybody has a better idea, feel free to suggest it.
There are a different set of rules in here. I won't redact fighting, you can call each other cocksuckers, stupid motherfuckers, whatever you want but no hate speech. The words, nigger, spick, kike, jap (but not Jap.) dot, ect. or any use of words intended to be racially or ethnically derogatory are still not allowed.
No posting real personal info. Mostly what you can do it argue. What this means of course if there is ZERO tolerance on the review threads for that now. Normally it takes one infraction for a regular member to get put on permanent moderation and two for a senior to go back on. In NoVa now that number is the same for both, 1.
A2Great move. I'm going to suggest this to my home moderator on the Richmond board.
I hate all the nonrelated crap under the escort tab there. That's the only reason I'm on the board. To find the hidden gems, solid providers that are a fair value & weeed out the trash!
I swear some guys are just bored or lonely. Get a freak'and dog!
The price of the market was driven up by overpaying while service went down over that time. This is the fault of the client for allowing the demand to drive up the price.
I started in this area in 03 and I met wonderfully legally you women who would provide a real girlfriend some ever true girlfriend. Now everyone claims to be girlfriend at a higher price but when you arrive you are getting more like horney grandma from a grandma.
We messed up the scene and I do not blame the ladies they should get what they can because we are fool enough to fall for their game.
I'm glad you can afford to hang out with top of the line escorts. More power to you! I'll admit I know almost nothing about dealing with higher priced girls because I can't afford it and I don't even bother trying to hook up with them.
Some mongers (driven by efforts to save money) are even messing around with street walkers in order to get their rocks off. While paying like only $20 or $40 per encounter. The prices are great but IMHO, there's a lot of very negative stuff that goes along with those very low rates that I personally am not ready to deal with. But to each their own!
But For Average Escort Mongers Who Can't Afford The High Priced Ladies And Don't Want To Deal With Streetwalkers:
But for the average escort monger almost everything revolves around their monthly budget, what they want and how much they're willing to spend per encounter. The higher priced escorts may not be into negotiating but nice looking lower priced ones are often available to lower their rates in order to gain a regular. They're not as fine on average as the average high priced escort but they are very decent looking women.
I personally know negotiations do work on escorts such as the ones that charge in the $120-160/ HH range. They on average look better than most escorts. And they know it. They will come down just $20 - if they'll come down at all. The smarter ones figure, why lose out on $120-$140 and also lose the chance to gain a regular? When I'm on the hunt for a new escort for my team. Which isn't often, I'll send out text messages to my well researched targets asking for a discount and letting them know that if I have a good time with them. They'll have a new regular. If they reply to the affirmative, then I'll call them. Some do, some don't and I've obtained quality regulars over the years for what I consider very reasonable rates.
Below $100/ HH??
Any decent looking babe is not going below $100/ HH theses days and a $100/ HH offer is often considered an offense to many escorts who do look better than the average escort and are charging $140 on up for the HH. But a babe listed at $120/ HH is a good candidate to come down to $100/ HH.
Mongers who really do their research can find very decent looking escorts listed for only $100 and IMHO, most of them are going to be of the Hispanic persuasion. It will be hard getting those $100 babes to go below $100 - it's a matter of pride with most of them, so the best bet is to settle for that decent looking escort for just $100/ HH and have your fun.
The escorts charging $80/ HH are almost always. Fat, BBW, older, out of shape and / or ugly in the face and they know it. That's why they charge only $80/ HH. But that doesn't mean they can't provide good service. This is when mongers get real liberal when describing their escort friends. I have one mediocre looking girl (IMHO, she's not ugly) in my starting lineup and she's UTR but I'm sure some monger or two in here would describe her as homely. But my sessions with her are always outstanding! All my other regulars would be at least a 7. 5 in most men's eyes IMHO.
We do often get what we pay for but in my experience. It depends on what a monger is looking for, and the girl charging $200/ HH isn't going to be any better to me from the girl charging only $120/ HH. Sure, the more expensive one is normally at a better hotel and she looks a lot better than the average escort, but she's not going to be any cleaner than my regulars and from my experience the pussy isn't going to be any better. She may look better than my regulars but for another $80-$100 per HH. And because of my budget concerns. Paying that extra amount won't be worth it to me. Beauty has its place but it's not the be all to end all for me. I'm not going to deal with a escort who has a pimp so I don't have to worry about that and the hotel she'll be using will be decent or I'm not coming back. I don't mind a hotel room being messy but I do have a big problem with dirty and filthy.
I've splurged a few times on higher priced girls and the pussy is not actually any better. IMHO. The wrapping around the pussy may be better. But not the pussy itself and my experience using it. To work my tool. Truth be told, all mongers would like to deal with the higher priced girls but simply can't afford it.
I'll admit it, I can't afford $200 per session, so the top rate that I'm willing to pay on a consistent basis is $120 HH. Only for half hours and I'm at peace with my monger situation. I won't go into the how to details but my average encounter costs me $90/ HH. I'm not going to bother doing hours because no matter how I stagger my viagra timing & dosage, I still can't perform two pops within an hour and I don't need to hang around an escort. Just for her company or conversation. So an hour session is a waste of my time and money. So I don't bother doing hours.
Everything for the typical monger revolves around what he can afford. Bargains are out there for those who do their research and know what they want. On average GFE stuff will cost more and any monger can build a team of escorts to serve his needs. If a monger is interested in model type girls that charge top rates, I hope he can afford to pay those rates, most of us can't but if you can. More power to you.
Happy Mongering!
SJ.
P.S. Here's an example of a nice looking woman with a nice body who performs non-GFE escort services for less than $140/ HH. She recently tried to up her rate to $140/ HH but I guess production fell off, so now she accepts only $120/ HH and IMHO, she looks better than 85% of the women listed. She may even go for $100/ HH since she's listed at $120. She hangs out in the Catonsville area near Baltimore and she also spends time in Camp Springs. I saw her once over two years ago, had a good time and she's back on my radar. Recent reviews of her say she performs, still looks like her pics, looks much better in person and I will catch up with her sooner or later. IMHO, she's a bargain!
https://adultsearch.com/maryland/baltimore/female-escorts/1201289
RustyMuffler
11-03-18, 14:51
Yeah, I didn't even mean to be arguing or fighting in my original message that seems to have gotten the shit show started. I must not have expressed myself very well because my post was considered argumentative. I am sorry for that. But this is my message.
Conspicuous Consumption
These statements are very broad generalizations. Too broad, if you ask me.
While I agree that one generally does "get what you pay for," the market is often imperfect and occassionally needs to be helped to find its equilibrium. I have seen some women at bargain bottom rates who were anything but disgusting. And those are the ones I share with my fellow travelers on this website. And I count on them to share their special finds with me.
On the other hand, if one always wants to pay top dollar, there are plenty of options to do that around these parts. However, I would also note that the opposite is sometimes true as well. Some very expensive, so-called "high class" providers are overpriced and offer little to no value for their prices.
The good news is, everyone gets to spend their money however they so desire.
Happy hunting.I was simply disagreeing with the statement that low dollar ladies are all "disgusting. " (I should have realized that disgusting is like beauty, it is found in the eye of the beholder.) Ijust said I thought it was too broad a generalization. Then while I acknowledged that one generally gets what one pays for, I added that my real world experience has shown me otherwise. There are bargain gals to be found and I gave a plug for this forum being the right website to share those type of finds so the guys reading the boards can try them out.
The point I wanted to make was that markets are imperfect. So while the market system is the best system, it is fallible. An example of this is arbitrage. I guess you could say that is what I am seeking. Something valuable (pussy) mispriced at a lower rate than worth (to me.).
I ended with what I thought was a thought of bringing us all together. Sorry if it did not come across that way.
The price of the market was driven up by overpaying while service went down over that time. This is the fault of the client for allowing the demand to drive up the price.
I started in this area in 03 and I met wonderfully legally you women who would provide a real girlfriend some ever true girlfriend. Now everyone claims to be girlfriend at a higher price but when you arrive you are getting more like horney grandma from a grandma.
We messed up the scene and I do not blame the ladies they should get what they can because we are fool enough to fall for their game.
RustyMuffler
11-03-18, 14:54
Yeah, I didn't even mean to be arguing or fighting in my original message that seems to have gotten the shit show started. I must not have expressed myself very well because my post was considered argumentative. I am sorry for that. But this is my message.
Conspicuous Consumption
These statements are very broad generalizations. Too broad, if you ask me.
While I agree that one generally does "get what you pay for," the market is often imperfect and occassionally needs to be helped to find its equilibrium. I have seen some women at bargain bottom rates who were anything but disgusting. And those are the ones I share with my fellow travelers on this website. And I count on them to share their special finds with me.
On the other hand, if one always wants to pay top dollar, there are plenty of options to do that around these parts. However, I would also note that the opposite is sometimes true as well. Some very expensive, so-called "high class" providers are overpriced and offer little to no value for their prices.
The good news is, everyone gets to spend their money however they so desire.
Happy hunting.I was simply disagreeing with the statement that low dollar ladies are all "disgusting. " (I should have realized that disgusting is like beauty, it is found in the eye of the beholder.) I just said I thought it was too broad a generalization. Then while I acknowledged that one generally gets what one pays for, I added that my real world experience has shown me otherwise. There are bargain gals to be found and I gave a plug for this forum being the right website to share those type of finds so the guys reading the boards can try them out.
The point I wanted to make was that markets are imperfect. So while the market system is the best system, it is fallible. An example of this is arbitrage. I guess you could say that is what I am seeking. Something valuable (pussy) mispriced at a lower rate than its worth (to me.).
I ended with what I thought was a thought of bringing us all together. Sorry if it did not come across that way.
The price of the market was driven up by overpaying while service went down over that time. This is the fault of the client for allowing the demand to drive up the price.
I started in this area in 03 and I met wonderfully legally you women who would provide a real girlfriend some ever true girlfriend. Now everyone claims to be girlfriend at a higher price but when you arrive you are getting more like horney grandma from a grandma.
We messed up the scene and I do not blame the ladies they should get what they can because we are fool enough to fall for their game.
Self-respecting providers don't negotiate rates. They also blacklist you right off the bat if you attempt to.I almost always negotiate, and I have never been blacklisted.
One of my ATF used to see me for 80 after BP shutdown. Now, she refuses to go less than 120. She is easily worth 120, but I have not seen her in a while because there are plenty of girls that will see me for 60 and 80.
Another ATF used to see me for 80. Now, she refuses to go less that 100. She is easily worth 100, but I have not seen her in a while. Whenever I ask for 80, she gets all pissed off, and says, "How many times do I have to tell you? It's 100 minimum. ".
Great move. I'm going to suggest this to my home moderator on the Richmond board.
I hate all the nonrelated crap under the escort tab there. That's the only reason I'm on the board. To find the hidden gems, solid providers that are a fair value & weeed out the trash!
I swear some guys are just bored or lonely. Get a freak'and dog!Richmond already has one. It's called "Stupid Bullshit that has nothing to do with getting laid."
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13990-Stupid-Bullshit-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-getting-laid
Just saying
A2
I almost always negotiate, and I have never been blacklisted.
One of my ATF used to see me for 80 after BP shutdown. Now, she refuses to go less than 120. She is easily worth 120, but I have not seen her in a while because there are plenty of girls that will see me for 60 and 80.
Another ATF used to see me for 80. Now, she refuses to go less that 100. She is easily worth 100, but I have not seen her in a while. Whenever I ask for 80, she gets all pissed off, and says, "How many times do I have to tell you? It's 100 minimum. ".I haven't negotiated for a long time, but I used to do so in my early days of mongering. I don't recall getting into trouble for doing so. Of course, that was back before the Internet became popular.
There was a provider I saw during her early days in the business. I paid a reasonable fee and popped twice during our session, one of the few providers with whom I've enjoyed two pops over the years. Several years later I came across her ad. By that time she had changed names, jacked up her rates and instituted some new rules. She also had a web site and stated on the site that she found negotiations to be insulting. She was within her rights to do what she wished, but she never got me as a customer again before she finally retired.
Your point is understood. This is the way it used to be. Quality for a fair price.
[QUOTE= The point I wanted to make was that markets are imperfect. So while the market system is the best system, it is fallible. An example of this is arbitrage. I guess you could say that is what I am seeking. Something valuable (pussy) mispriced at a lower rate than its worth (to me.).
I ended with what I thought was a thought of bringing us all together. Sorry if it did not cm?
Sorry man, you got a bunch of this wrong. Because Spanish is so regional lots of this wouldn't be understood. This has no meaning in either Colombia or Argentina Bi-yah mami!
Sorry,
A2.
For my friends in VA. Basic Spanish!
Ever deal with gals that don't speak a lot of english? Well, have some fun and speak to them in Spanish.
Note:
I have decided to use my own phonetic spelling instead of the spanish spelling as it is easier to follow and to then pronounce the words in spanish. I have tried to translate the sounds as close to the google translate voice rendition of the words as possible. Don't forget to use your best spanish accent impersonation While using these phrases. The senoritas will love it!
You can start off by saying.
1: I love you! Tee-Ah-Moe.
2: Come here baby! Ben-nah-kaa mami!
When you becken her to join you in bed or maybe she's running from the D.
3: Hey baby! Bi-yah mami!
4: Hot baby! Cal-lee-inn-taye mami!
5: Hot! Cal-lee-inn-taye!
6: Much pleasure! Mu-cho-goose-toe!
You can yell this when it's getting good or after the fact. Add a couple of extra muchos if you like.
7: Suck me baby! Chu-pah-maye mami!
8: Yes baby! See mami!
9: See Yes.
10: Baby Sweetie Mami.
11: Sen-yor-ree-ta Unmarried woman.
12: Slow Len-ta!
You may have to say this to slow them down when they try to get you to bust too soon for you or if she has the nerve to try to rush you.
17: Fast Rap-pee-doe.
18: Let's go! Vom-min-nose.
19: A little bit more Poe-ko-maas When you're getting head & want a little bit more.
20: Beautiful Bo-nee-ta.
Flattery will get you lots of brownie points with the girls.
21: Beautiful etc Here-ri-mo-sa.
22:30 minutes Train-ta min-nu-toes.
23:15 Minutes Kinse-ah Min-nu-toes.
24:60 minutes Ses-sen-ta Min-nu-toes.
25: Beautiful mouth Her-moe-sa boe-kaa.
26: Beautiful ass / booty Her-moe-so cool-er.
27: Great pussy! Gran Cone-yo.
28: Very good pussy! Moy bee-inn cone-yo.
29: Come on baby! Ben-ga mami!
Maybe it's time to move on in the session or perhaps you want her to try harder??
30: Ah baby! Ah mami!
31: Move Mov-vi-mee-inn-toe.
Perhaps you want her to get busy with some movement?? Most will understand just "move".
32: Fuck me baby! Co-kem-mee mami!
33: I want to meet you. Key-ro Con-no-sert-tay.
34: My name is. Me-nome-bray-es.
Make sure she knows who's about to wax her behind.
34 a. Say my name! Dee-mee-nome-bray.
35: Listen Es-coo-cha.
36: Help! Ah-yude-the.
37: Help me! Ah-yude-the-the-mee.
38: No Nah.
39: May I see you again? Poor-doe ver-tay dee- nu-wave-va.
You've found a winner!
40:100 See-inn.
41: Miss you!! Tet-cho-de-meh-nose.
42: See you soon. The-vah-oh pronto.
Happy mongering!
SJ.
SuperJimmyC
11-05-18, 14:58
And therein lies the fun!
I have lots of fun with these phrases and I'm sure other mongers who choose to can have fun with them also.
BTW, I see Colombian gals a lot and it works with them and there's really no harm with this stuff. Whatsoever.
Thanks for publishing it anyways.
Happy Mongering!!
SJ.
I was mostly just trying to teach guys to use the fight thread. I should have thrown in a couple lol's. I do appreciate you taking the time to create that.
A2
Sorry man, you got a bunch of this wrong. Because Spanish is so regional lots of this wouldn't be understood. This has no meaning in either Colombia or Argentina Bi-yah mami!
Sorry,
A2.
KneillBeiyer
11-05-18, 15:03
Love the "stupid shit in Nova" page. And the reason I finally signed up. Of course you could / should have this wide open discussion available everywhere. Been a long time viewer (aka lurker) and could give a lot of dailey good hints for searching, verifying and actually spending money to find ladies that work. For me. Versus the incessant Grandfatherly views of you know who. On the NOVA page. Been in this biz for a long time and will start to add some positive feed back. Thank you again for the "stupid shit in NoVa" page. .
Pbarber307
11-09-18, 01:59
Marie https://40up.com.dc.listcrawler.com/post/27087337/.
Nikki http://northern-virginia.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/nikki-ready-waiting-arlington/204508587124.
Marie https://40up.com.dc.listcrawler.com/post/27087337/.
Nikki http://northern-virginia.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/nikki-ready-waiting-arlington/204508587124.Very interesting and good catch. Thanks for the heads up.
RustyMuffler
11-10-18, 02:18
Their looks are close enough to be related. Mother and daughter, perhaps?
Marie https://40up.com.dc.listcrawler.com/post/27087337/.
Nikki http://northern-virginia.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/nikki-ready-waiting-arlington/204508587124.
Their looks are close enough to be related. Mother and daughter, perhaps?It's possible. You may be correct. However, I suppose it's also possible the same 40-something provider is trying to portray herself as a 20-something in one of those ads. Which means she could be taking a page from the strategy of the Asian crapshoot advertisers. Who knows?
Their looks are close enough to be related. Mother and daughter, perhaps?They are NOT related. Rather, they just shop at the same store.
Pbarber307
11-27-18, 11:39
I saw this picture of Princess Shana who is based in Chantilly. She posts every hour, it seems, on STG and Listcrawler. Anyway. Is that normal? What is that? Maybe a strapon hidden under flesh colored panties which happen to blend into the picture. .
I saw this picture of Princess Shana who is based in Chantilly. She posts every hour, it seems, on STG and Listcrawler. Anyway. Is that normal? What is that? Maybe a strapon hidden under flesh colored panties which happen to blend into the picture. .She has been around for a while. I remember her back in the backpage days. Never had the desire to call her number though.
I saw this picture of Princess Shana who is based in Chantilly. She posts every hour, it seems, on STG and Listcrawler. Anyway. Is that normal? What is that? Maybe a strapon hidden under flesh colored panties which happen to blend into the picture. .She used to go by Miley. She also worked with another BBW provider. I saw her once when she was sharing a room with another girl. She looked like a female to me.
Pbarber307
01-06-19, 11:47
One with superGPS and others from a disgruntled customer.
NeedToKnow1
01-30-19, 18:41
Looking to see if anyone has seen "April", she goes by different names. She was here few months ago same number different name and PICS. Want to see her but want to make sure she looks reasonable close to PIC in her adds. She says she offers complete menu.
This is her current add and PIC.
https://cityxguide.com/escorts/cauti...90610-16292259
This was the pic from last visit to NOVA.
https://lazypal.com/escorts/listings/657-258-3715/
Any info would be appreciated.
Looking to see if anyone has seen "April", she goes by different names. She was here few months ago same number different name and PICS. Want to see her but want to make sure she looks reasonable close to PIC in her adds. She says she offers complete menu.
This is her current add and PIC.
https://cityxguide.com/escorts/cauti...90610-16292259
This was the pic from last visit to NOVA.
https://lazypal.com/escorts/listings/657-258-3715/
Any info would be appreciated.Cityguide has very few, if any legit ads. You need to stick to stg, or others, where you can validate their location.
NeedToKnow1
01-31-19, 20:32
Cityguide has very few, if any legit ads. You need to stick to stg, or others, where you can validate their location.Thank you!
SuperJimmyC
02-01-19, 09:17
What do these scientists have to say??
https://thoughtcatalog.com/amanda-chatel/2015/02/science-says-this-is-the-worst-and-most-dangerous-sex-position-for-your-genitalia/
BernieKean
02-01-19, 11:14
By being on this site, you're more apt to get busted by your ITP address easily searchable by law enforcement taking down web sites (hello Eros 2017-2018) which are registered on each one of these types of reviews web sites thAn by any personal information you'd ever give a provider. Do you really believe she's looking to " bust you" via your private info versus making money off of you? Why would any provider try to screw her own business or reputation over your ass? Unless you're not reputable yourself, you have nothing to fear. These boards mislead you into thinking you're safe by posting every little detail (who can verify really whether it's a reputable review, a jealous competitor, an agency trying to smear or bad talk an independent or an old dude who couldn't perform? These types of sites are jokes to anyone except someone looking to get the most bang for the least amount if buck, even if it means risking his d* to a cheap chick who sleeps with 10 men a day. Get real. Get informed. You think your privacy is protected here on this forum MORE than a personal person trying to ensure her time or safety? Wake up.
Hmmmm, I'm thinking this is a chick that would rather you guys not have a forum so that you stay stupid and pay more.
Just saying.
A2
In any event what the hell is an ITP address? It's not a typo because it was the same in all the other posts you spammed us with that got deleted
Member #6313
02-01-19, 17:37
By being on this site, you're more apt to get busted by your ITP address easily searchable by law enforcement taking down web sites (hello Eros 2017-2018) which are registered on each one of these types of reviews web sites thAn by any personal information you'd ever give a provider. Do you really believe she's looking to " bust you" via your private info versus making money off of you? Why would any provider try to screw her own business or reputation over your ass? Unless you're not reputable yourself, you have nothing to fear. These boards mislead you into thinking you're safe by posting every little detail (who can verify really whether it's a reputable review, a jealous competitor, an agency trying to smear or bad talk an independent or an old dude who couldn't perform? These types of sites are jokes to anyone except someone looking to get the most bang for the least amount if buck, even if it means risking his d* to a cheap chick who sleeps with 10 men a day. Get real. Get informed. You think your privacy is protected here on this forum MORE than a personal person trying to ensure her time or safety? Wake up.
Hmmmm, I'm thinking this is a chick that would rather you guys not have a forum so that you stay stupid and pay more.
Just saying.
A2
In any event what the hell is an ITP address? It's not a typo because it was the same in all the other posts you spammed us with that got deletedHe means I2 P, some stupid people say ITP T=two. It's an anonymizing network. Kind of like TOR.
CaponeBone
02-22-19, 18:53
Stay safe out there. Especially in SoFL.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/22/us/robert-kraft-solicitation/index.html
https://humour360.com/sexy-nsfw/93-pornstars-with-and-without-make-up/
Pics of various adult entertainers with before-and-after makeup pics. Just goes to show you how much of what constitutes attraction is illusion more than reality. Wasn't sure exactly which forum was most appropriate for this post, but this is as good a choice as any (hat tip for the link to an anonymous monger on another site).
TheOuroboros
03-17-19, 19:43
https://humour360.com/sexy-nsfw/93-pornstars-with-and-without-make-up/
Pics of various adult entertainers with before-and-after makeup pics. Just goes to show you how much of what constitutes attraction is illusion more than reality. Wasn't sure exactly which forum was most appropriate for this post, but this is as good a choice as any (hat tip for the link to an anonymous monger on another site).Personally, I thought some of those ladies were just as cute without the make up, and yet others were. Dear god. I'm not trying to get too philosophical here but sometimes you can find a certain beauty in imperfection rather than losing oneself in the fantasies of perfection. But it's true make up and talent in its arts can really do wonders in feeding into the illusion of an object of desire. To take it one step further here's a make-up artist who takes the skill into a whole other level by impersonating famous celebrities just using make up. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RPfmSVHrMQQ. Beauty in this era with make up / plastic surgery / and other augmentations can easily be engineered.
https://humour360.com/sexy-nsfw/93-pornstars-with-and-without-make-up/
Pics of various adult entertainers with before-and-after makeup pics. Just goes to show you how much of what constitutes attraction is illusion more than reality. Wasn't sure exactly which forum was most appropriate for this post, but this is as good a choice as any (hat tip for the link to an anonymous monger on another site).Interesting. Thanks for sharing the link. Some of those ladies actually weren't bad-looking without the makeup. Not long ago I saw similar with-and-without makeup photos of more mainstream actresses and observed the same thing.
Pbarber307
03-17-19, 23:15
https://humour360.com/sexy-nsfw/93-pornstars-with-and-without-make-up/
Pics of various adult entertainers with before-and-after makeup pics. Just goes to show you how much of what constitutes attraction is illusion more than reality. Wasn't sure exactly which forum was most appropriate for this post, but this is as good a choice as any (hat tip for the link to an anonymous monger on another site).I must be getting old. I only recognized one girl: Katja Kassin. Girls in p0 rn are a dime a dozen these days and don't have the staying power of girls in the past.
Bear with me folks. Just need to vent a bit. .
Let's talk about screening. As you all know, there are typically 3 types of screening processes to see an independent provider or a girl from an agency.
1. Through registration at services like P411, TER, etc. - Problem here is that most of these are closed by now.
2. Provide corporate and / or personal information. Uncle LEO will love this info!
3. At least 2 or more references from other independent providers in good standing.
Now let's talk about number 3 for a moment. How can I have references, if I need references to get these references in the first place?
And even if I have a reference, how would the new provider verify that unless I provided my personal information with both of them?
Let's not bring up the argument that she will remember you and can provide assurance that you are not LE. She won't.
If you saw her let's say 6 month ago, she wouldn't remember you unless you did something outrageous like wearing a pink hat while going down on her.
So the way I see this, this process is flawed and at least for me not working.
One alternative I could think of is, that when you arrive at the provider, before going down to business, you show your credentials like I'd, corporate I'd, your LinkedIn profile (from your phone), etc. And leave nothing behind.
That way she can be certain that you are not LE, and you that none of your personal information falls in the wrong hands.
What do you all think?
Bear with me folks. Just need to vent a bit. .
Let's talk about screening. As you all know, there are typically 3 types of screening processes to see an independent provider or a girl from an agency.
1. Through registration at services like P411, TER, etc. - Problem here is that most of these are closed by now.
2. Provide corporate and / or personal information. Uncle LEO will love this info!
3. At least 2 or more references from other independent providers in good standing.
Now let's talk about number 3 for a moment. How can I have references, if I need references to get these references in the first place?
And even if I have a reference, how would the new provider verify that unless I provided my personal information with both of them?
Let's not bring up the argument that she will remember you and can provide assurance that you are not LE. She won't.
If you saw her let's say 6 month ago, she wouldn't remember you unless you did something outrageous like wearing a pink hat while going down on her.
So the way I see this, this process is flawed and at least for me not working.
One alternative I could think of is, that when you arrive at the provider, before going down to business, you show your credentials like I'd, corporate I'd, your LinkedIn profile (from your phone), etc. And leave nothing behind.
That way she can be certain that you are not LE, and you that none of your personal information falls in the wrong hands.
What do you all think?Any provider who wants my sensitive personal information, including my employment information, isn't getting my business. You're correct about Uncle LEO, and you also have to be concerned about the news media as well. Nor will I divulge my social media information to any provider. As far as references, the providers who probably would have vouched for me at one time are now retired.
I doubt any of those providers claiming they have to "verify" potential clients before seeing them would allow us to "verify" them in a similar manner. They'd consider that an invasion of privacy. So why shouldn't we feel the same way?
Harley Dude 29
03-31-19, 20:02
So the question we have to ask is who are the idiots that give this level of information. Obviously many do or these fine ladies would not be asking for it and they would be out of business. Why would anyone tell where they work and expect it to be held in confidence.
So are there that many idiots out here that give out that information? That is scary as they are just waiting to be consumed in a major sting down the road or when the lady is caught and needs to bargain.
I don't know about everyone else, but I haven't met any lady that's worth what will happen with giving your professional and personal info.
Remember we can stop this BS by not playing the game.
HD29.
Any provider who wants my sensitive personal information, including my employment information, isn't getting my business. You're correct about Uncle LEO, and you also have to be concerned about the news media as well. Nor will I divulge my social media information to any provider. As far as references, the providers who probably would have vouched for me at one time are now retired.
I doubt any of those providers claiming they have to "verify" potential clients before seeing them would allow us to "verify" them in a similar manner. They'd consider that an invasion of privacy. So why shouldn't we feel the same way?
So the question we have to ask is who are the idiots that give this level of information. Obviously many do or these fine ladies would not be asking for it and they would be out of business. Why would anyone tell where they work and expect it to be held in confidence.
So are there that many idiots out here that give out that information? That is scary as they are just waiting to be consumed in a major sting down the road or when the lady is caught and needs to bargain.
I don't know about everyone else, but I haven't met any lady that's worth what will happen with giving your professional and personal info.
Remember we can stop this BS by not playing the game.
HD29.HD29,
True, but quite a few folks tend to think with their little head when it comes to this hobby. Typically the rule of thumb is, the more attractive the girl and the more $$$ she asks, the more likely will she ask for screening.
Nowadays, almost any girl who is asking more than $350/ hr is asking for screening.
So if your little head really wants to see a smoking hot chick, you only have the options I mentioned.
HerbB.
Bear with me folks. Just need to vent a bit. .
Let's talk about screening. As you all know, there are typically 3 types of screening processes to see an independent provider or a girl from an agency.
1. Through registration at services like P411, TER, etc. - Problem here is that most of these are closed by now.
2. Provide corporate and / or personal information. Uncle LEO will love this info!
3. At least 2 or more references from other independent providers in good standing.
Now let's talk about number 3 for a moment. How can I have references, if I need references to get these references in the first place?
And even if I have a reference, how would the new provider verify that unless I provided my personal information with both of them?
Let's not bring up the argument that she will remember you and can provide assurance that you are not LE. She won't.
If you saw her let's say 6 month ago, she wouldn't remember you unless you did something outrageous like wearing a pink hat while going down on her.
So the way I see this, this process is flawed and at least for me not working.
One alternative I could think of is, that when you arrive at the provider, before going down to business, you show your credentials like I'd, corporate I'd, your LinkedIn profile (from your phone), etc. And leave nothing behind.
That way she can be certain that you are not LE, and you that none of your personal information falls in the wrong hands.
What do you all think?Except for agencies, there are as many screening procedures around as there are individual providers and, IMHO, they needn't be taken at face value. While many providers stick firmly to their screening rules, others are more flexible. There's no way to know for sure until you contact them and try. As with everything else concerning providers, YMMV applies.
As one example, when a provider has plenty of clients, she can afford to be picky and strict with screening. But, when business is slow, that can definitely change things. By how much depends on the provider, how slow things are, and her individual need for cash. Also, many providers like to hear a client's voice and just a phone call can sometimes make the difference.
If I'm interested in a provider who has, at least on paper, a strict screening process, the first thing I do is search for more info and intel on the web, this forum, and sites like E-Monkey and Listcrawler. I'm looking for at least two things: First, any reviews or monger posts indicating any kind of flexibility or variability in her process. Second, whether ads she's posted on different sites say different things about screening. Maybe her Eros or Private Delights ad talks about strict screening but her ad on Listcrawler doesn't.
When I've done enough homework and I think it's worth a shot, I'll call and tell her I saw her ad on whatever site had the least restrictive language regarding screening. Once we have a conversation going, my goal is to make her feel as safe and comfortable with me as possible. Sometimes she doesn't even bring up a screening process and we move right into scheduling a session. Other times she brings it up and I give her my handle for this forum and for TER. Or I might ask if she'd consider an alternative like a brief meeting at Starbucks, etc. It's all about the art of persuasion so there are no hard and fast rules. I'd guess I've had about a 40% to 50% success rate with this approach. Again, it all depends on how badly she needs $ and how well you can persuade her that you're a low-risk client. If nothing works and you hit an impasse, thank her politely and move on.
But, as other members have pointed out, there are plenty of good providers who don't have strict screening. And seeing some of those, at least the more responsible ones, should also give you a base of references to use in the future.
OK, I took the plunge and got myself screened at them. Their server is in Spain, so out of reach from uncle LEO. Glad I did.
Had a great session today with Giselle, a very hot looking Brazilian blonde with a fantastic attitude. True GFE and such a sweetheart. Booking was easy and very responsive.Glad you had a nice session with Giselle but I'm assuming, from the wording of your post, that you had to give them personal info to get verified.
My issue is that, even if the server is in Spain the agency booker or manager or someone still has to access that information in order to view it and approve you as a client. If that person is in the US, your info also resides on their laptop, desktop, tablet or phone. And that's exactly where LEO will find it If that agency gets taken down.
The problem is that once you hand over personal info you completely lose control of how it's used, how it's transmitted, where it's stored, etc. That keeps the risk level unacceptably high, IMHO. That's not to say there's no value in using foreign servers and domains. But the main benefit would seem to be making it more difficult for LEO to get server logs containing IP addresses and such that could then be used to track and identify a particular computer or access point. That's the strategy USASG uses, and it makes sense.
But handing over PII bypasses the need for IP info. If LEO has your DL or work info, that's all they need to link you to the agency. To my mind that completely changes the calculus and the odds, and not in a good way.
At the end of the day, everyone has to make their own risk analysis and decide for themselves. My uncrossable line is PII and keeping it under my control at all times. Foreign server storage sound good, in theory, but could be a false sense of security.
Glad you had a nice session with Giselle but I'm assuming, from the wording of your post, that you had to give them personal info to get verified.
My issue is that, even if the server is in Spain the agency booker or manager or someone still has to access that information in order to view it and approve you as a client. If that person is in the US, your info also resides on their laptop, desktop, tablet or phone. And that's exactly where LEO will find it If that agency gets taken down.
The problem is that once you hand over personal info you completely lose control of how it's used, how it's transmitted, where it's stored, etc. That keeps the risk level unacceptably high, IMHO. That's not to say there's no value in using foreign servers and domains. But the main benefit would seem to be making it more difficult for LEO to get server logs containing IP addresses and such that could then be used to track and identify a particular computer or access point. That's the strategy USASG uses, and it makes sense.
But handing over PII bypasses the need for IP info. If LEO has your DL or work info, that's all they need to link you to the agency. To my mind that completely changes the calculus and the odds, and not in a good way.
At the end of the day, everyone has to make their own risk analysis and decide for themselves. My uncrossable line is PII and keeping it under my control at all times. Foreign server storage sound good, in theory, but could be a false sense of security.Yes, it's a risk, but being screened is not illegal by itself. It only gives you access to their web site. That doesn't mean that I do a booking. That only means that you registered. As for my I'd, they were really only focussed on the photo and DoB.
All my communication from there on out happened encrypted via Proton / VPN. Is it a risk, yes. But for me it was a calculated risk.
Yes, it's a risk, but being screened is not illegal by itself. It only gives you access to their web site. That doesn't mean that I do a booking. That only means that you registered. As for my I'd, they were really only focussed on the photo and DoB.
All my communication from there on out happened encrypted via Proton / VPN. Is it a risk, yes. But for me it was a calculated risk.You're right that it's not illegal, in and of itself, for your info to be found on a server (or other device) belonging to an escort agency. If legal jeopardy is the only consideration then that's one level of risk analysis. Of course, if the agency gets caught up in any kind of "trafficking" (real or alleged) investigation, then things could get complicated.
But for many the non-LE risks might be just as significant. As the Ashley Madison incident demonstrated, info exposure can lead to adverse marital and job consequences, public embarrassment, loss of reputation, and even suicide. It doesn't really matter whether the info is hacked, leaked, or otherwise misused, once it's exposed the genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back in.
Using encrypted transmission methods is of course better than not. But, at the end of the day, there's an image of your DL, over which you have no control, in an escort agency's records. I'm sure you'll probably be fine but you've had to put your trust in people you don't really know. If they're responsible, they'll have permanently and thoroughly deleted that image once they verified you. Let's hope that's the case.
Obviously everyone's risk tolerance is different. For people with a lot to lose, it's a bit like running across a freeway because you want to get to the other side. If traffic is light, you probably don't have much to worry about. The only problem is that the consequences if something bad were to happen would be catastrophic.
Maybe I'm just more risk-averse than most but my tendency is to think of all the things that could go wrong and how badly that could mess up my life. So for me the answer is to use this forum to do good homework and find great providers who don't ask for PII.
Jacobs Patrick
04-05-19, 09:27
Glad you had a nice session with Giselle but I'm assuming, from the wording of your post, that you had to give them personal info to get verified.
My issue is that, even if the server is in Spain the agency booker or manager or someone still has to access that information in order to view it and approve you as a client. If that person is in the US, your info also resides on their laptop, desktop, tablet or phone. And that's exactly where LEO will find it If that agency gets taken down.
The problem is that once you hand over personal info you completely lose control of how it's used, how it's transmitted, where it's stored, etc. That keeps the risk level unacceptably high, IMHO. That's not to say there's no value in using foreign servers and domains. But the main benefit would seem to be making it more difficult for LEO to get server logs containing IP addresses and such that could then be used to track and identify a particular computer or access point. That's the strategy USASG uses, and it makes sense.
But handing over PII bypasses the need for IP info. If LEO has your DL or work info, that's all they need to link you to the agency. To my mind that completely changes the calculus and the odds, and not in a good way.
At the end of the day, everyone has to make their own risk analysis and decide for themselves. My uncrossable line is PII and keeping it under my control at all times. Foreign server storage sound good, in theory, but could be a false sense of security.Two words - "Cooperating witness".
RegularJoe1985
04-05-19, 20:24
Two words - "Cooperating witness".Well one place that people have placed a lot of trust is p411. I know of people who have provided their PII for this service. Don't know how that would play out now.
You're right that it's not illegal, in and of itself, for your info to be found on a server (or other device) belonging to an escort agency. If legal jeopardy is the only consideration then that's one level of risk analysis. Of course, if the agency gets caught up in any kind of "trafficking" (real or alleged) investigation, then things could get complicated.
But for many the non-LE risks might be just as significant. As the Ashley Madison incident demonstrated, info exposure can lead to adverse marital and job consequences, public embarrassment, loss of reputation, and even suicide. It doesn't really matter whether the info is hacked, leaked, or otherwise misused, once it's exposed the genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back in.
Using encrypted transmission methods is of course better than not. But, at the end of the day, there's an image of your DL, over which you have no control, in an escort agency's records. I'm sure you'll probably be fine but you've had to put your trust in people you don't really know. If they're responsible, they'll have permanently and thoroughly deleted that image once they verified you. Let's hope that's the case.
Obviously everyone's risk tolerance is different. For people with a lot to lose, it's a bit like running across a freeway because you want to get to the other side. If traffic is light, you probably don't have much to worry about. The only problem is that the consequences if something bad were to happen would be catastrophic.
Maybe I'm just more risk-averse than most but my tendency is to think of all the things that could go wrong and how badly that could mess up my life. So for me the answer is to use this forum to do good homework and find great providers who don't ask for PII.Excellent points. As I read this I was reminded of two well-known politicians, one from each major party, who were found to be clients of escort agencies and allegedly saw providers in DC. Neither faced criminal charges, but their respective political careers went down in flames thanks to the embarrassment. There were also several well-known religious figures caught up in the Ashley Madison mess and each paid a significant professional price as I recall.
I suspect most of us aren't in those categories, but we could still suffer personal and family embarrassment, as well as possibly professional disaster, if Uncle LEO got hold of our PII in a raid on one of these agencies. That's one reason among many why I won't share my PII with a provider or agency.
OldManInVa
04-12-19, 09:55
I tip even at legit spas. 20% is pretty customary. If you got a good legit massage, it is reasonable for you to tip the customary amount. If she denied your request for services that you had received there in the past and you considered to be part of the package then you should have complained and withholding a tip would be reasonable. Just my two cents since you asked.
Old Man.
I visited a local MP where several ladies (all over the age of 40+) are employed as Massage Technicians.
I had visited before, enjoyed all aspects of the massage, and tipped accordingly.
When I arrived, the manager (who I had previously met and is well over the age of 40+) took my money and took me to the room.
The manager returned (evidently the other ladies were busy), and provided the massage -- then left the room and did not return.
The massage to my back and neck was good. Nothing else was massaged.
I had contracted for a massage. I received a massage.
I dressed. I had a few Jacksons in my pocket (but nothing else). I departed.
Opinions?
PA.
MangoBalls78
04-12-19, 09:55
I visited a local MP where several ladies (all over the age of 40+) are employed as Massage Technicians.
I had visited before, enjoyed all aspects of the massage, and tipped accordingly.
When I arrived, the manager (who I had previously met and is well over the age of 40+) took my money and took me to the room.
The manager returned (evidently the other ladies were busy), and provided the massage -- then left the room and did not return.
The massage to my back and neck was good. Nothing else was massaged.
I had contracted for a massage. I received a massage.
I dressed. I had a few Jacksons in my pocket (but nothing else). I departed.
Opinions?
PA.I think what you did was fine if you don't plan to return. But if you plan to frequent there then perhaps maybe you could have left a Jackson in order to build goodwill. Just my two cents.
MrSunnyHills
04-12-19, 13:22
That's odd. If it was an hour, I would expect the full body (even with no NOVA) would be done competently. For 1/2 hour, not sure how much can be fit in.
In any case, if I go to an AMP which I don't know (particularly when traveling and havn't done adequate research) and am not sure there is any extras, I'm usually still prepared to tip 15%, unless there was bad service. 20% for a very good massage. If the back and neck was it, and it was under time paid for, no tip might be warranted. I see why you might not want to leave a Jackson. Otherwise, I have asked in the past for change at the front. Tough call.
I visited a local MP where several ladies (all over the age of 40+) are employed as Massage Technicians.
I had visited before, enjoyed all aspects of the massage, and tipped accordingly.
When I arrived, the manager (who I had previously met and is well over the age of 40+) took my money and took me to the room.
The manager returned (evidently the other ladies were busy), and provided the massage -- then left the room and did not return.
The massage to my back and neck was good. Nothing else was massaged.
I had contracted for a massage. I received a massage.
I dressed. I had a few Jacksons in my pocket (but nothing else). I departed.
Opinions?
PA.
I visited a local MP where several ladies (all over the age of 40+) are employed as Massage Technicians.
I had visited before, enjoyed all aspects of the massage, and tipped accordingly.
When I arrived, the manager (who I had previously met and is well over the age of 40+) took my money and took me to the room.
The manager returned (evidently the other ladies were busy), and provided the massage -- then left the room and did not return.
The massage to my back and neck was good. Nothing else was massaged.
I had contracted for a massage. I received a massage..Do you tip your barber? If the massage is good, 15-20% is reasonable.
I think what you did was fine if you don't plan to return. But if you plan to frequent there then perhaps maybe you could have left a Jackson in order to build goodwill. Just my two cents.So you stiff a waiter or waitress, if you never plan to return! It's not fine. C'mon man!
So you stiff a waiter or waitress, if you never plan to return! It's not fine. C'mon man!While tips are optional in our society, tips are also a principal part of waiter, waitress and provider income. It is up to each of us to decide the right tip. I will tip less for bad service, but never nothing. For me the right response to truly poor service is to not return.
DoctorDoctor
04-13-19, 20:46
While tips are optional in our society, tips are also a principal part of waiter, waitress and provider income. It is up to each of us to decide the right tip. I will tip less for bad service, but never nothing. For me the right response to truly poor service is to not return.Do you tip at Starbucks? Or other carryout type places?
I tip regardless of the service. I understand the 'me-me' mindset. Pay for what you get, I get it. At the same time I don't know what's really going with the other person, in this case provider. Is she having a bad day? Was the last customer a jerk? Is she worried about surviving? Maintaining family? My point is I don't know. What I do know is that there was a short connection between us, be it good, poor or so-so. Yes, I paid for a service but I also know that the provider only gets a cut or in the case of an independent, she has expenses to maintain her business. Tipping helps and also acknowledges the time spent together.
A little kindness goes a long way.
Taylor Taste
04-13-19, 20:48
Do you tip at Starbucks? Or other carryout type places?
I tip regardless of the service. I understand the 'me-me' mindset. Pay for what you get, I get it. At the same time I don't know what's really going with the other person, in this case provider. Is she having a bad day? Was the last customer a jerk? Is she worried about surviving? Maintaining family? My point is I don't know. What I do know is that there was a short connection between us, be it good, poor or so-so. Yes, I paid for a service but I also know that the provider only gets a cut or in the case of an independent, she has expenses to maintain her business. Tipping helps and also acknowledges the time spent together.
A little kindness goes a long way.I find that whether or not you tip is an indicator of who you are as a human being and your value. I only tip when I think others are watching.
MangoBalls78
04-18-19, 14:41
So you stiff a waiter or waitress, if you never plan to return! It's not fine. C'mon man!I realized I posted this in the massage parlor thread. This is what I said:
If the service is exactly what you expect and you didn't get anything that was above and beyond than why should I tip? I don't really care for the mentality that just because you received some sort of service than you should tip. To me tipping should be used as a way to reward good behavior or a way to communicate your satisfaction with a certain level of service. I don't necessary agree with always tipping no matter what. I think we should be free to use your discretion on if and when we tip. Just my two cents.
I realized I posted this in the massage parlor thread. This is what I said:
If the service is exactly what you expect and you didn't get anything that was above and beyond than why should I tip? I don't really care for the mentality that just because you received some sort of service than you should tip. To me tipping should be used as a way to reward good behavior or a way to communicate your satisfaction with a certain level of service. I don't necessary agree with always tipping no matter what. I think we should be free to use your discretion on if and when we tip. Just my two cents.Just to clarify my position and describe a couple differently scenarios.
Legitimate massage place that don't offer HE. The base price is usually between $60-$80. I always tip the lady for her service assuming it is acceptable. Usually $15-$20. This is like tipping your barber or waiter, etc.
A massage parlor where you expect and receive a NOVA bit of happiness: the usual tip is $40-$50. Now, if the service rises above, I. E. Clothes come off and additional services, the tip is expected to go up.
Independent Provider who charges $120 for FBSM. This is where I fully agree with you. I go in expecting a massage with HE and if that is exactly what I get, than no additional tip. I look at it like the MP standard of $80 + $40. Now, if more services are provided than that warrants more tip.
Happy Mongering!
Pbarber307
04-20-19, 02:12
I posted this a while back, but this tipping issue prompted me to put this out there again. Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWW4ZJYNahY
MangoBalls78
04-20-19, 11:44
I posted this a while back, but this tipping issue prompted me to put this out there again. Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWW4ZJYNahYThat's a great movie and scene.
I din't think the topic of tipping was so polarizing. If we can't agree on this then what can we agree on? How do we expect to fix larger, more complex issues such as health care, education and rapidly changing environment conditions? I didn't know a forum dedicated to mongering could produce so much insightful thought and conundrums. I guess we are more than just a bunch of douchebags looking to get our dicks wet.
Happy Guy 2
01-15-20, 00:10
I am trying to see a new provider who asked for 2 references. She wants their email addresses. My problem is that I have mainly gone to AMPs. Generally they don't use email. I can obviously see some independents and then try to use them as references. Aside from that, has anyone thought of another way around this?
Thanks.
Rhinopole.Hi,
I was going to make some suggestions but then,
I looked back at a bunch of your posts and mostly all you do is mostly post questions and comments.
Your posts are not going to get you anywhere with "REAL" seniors to recommend you.
You certainly have built up Senior Level number of posts. BUT not senior cred in my book.
I suggest you post all your wonderful or bad AMP visits in reasonable detail, so we can take you seriously.
-Just my observation.
HG2.
Hi,
I was going to make some suggestions but then,
I looked back at a bunch of your posts and mostly all you do is mostly post questions and comments.
Your posts are not going to get you anywhere with "REAL" seniors to recommend you.
You certainly have built up Senior Level number of posts. BUT not senior cred in my book.
I suggest you post all your wonderful or bad AMP visits in reasonable detail, so we can take you seriously.
-Just my observation.
HG2.HG2,
I'll make 2 points:
First, I don't frequent too many providers, so I don't have that many to comment on. But for those I see, I post. It's too bad you don't value my comments. Based on PMs, others do.
Second, I scanned your posts and a very small number of them talk about AMP details that you'd like me (and maybe others) to write about. Most of your posts are short and don't say too much. Based on what you've posted I'm not sure I missed too much by your not making any suggestions in response to my inquiry.
Rhino.
Anyone ever think about how rich we would be if we took all the donations we spend mongering and put it in the stock market instead LOL? That compound interest would be awesome.
MangoBalls78
01-31-20, 19:38
Anyone ever think about how rich we would be if we took all the donations we spend mongering and put it in the stock market instead LOL? That compound interest would be awesome.You can't take it with you so spend it now and enjoy it.
Vamassage Fan
02-08-20, 00:48
You can't take it with you so spend it now and enjoy it.At a certain age you realize its either spend it on yourself or your kids eventually will spend.
MangoBalls78
02-08-20, 06:29
At a certain age you realize its either spend it on yourself or your kids eventually will spend.Since I don't have kids and I don't see it happening soon. Hahahaha.
Anyone ever think about how rich we would be if we took all the donations we spend mongering and put it in the stock market instead LOL? That compound interest would be awesome.I say use it while you can. Once Viagra Cialas or that snake oil fails, your snake has to be put to rest. My friend has a catheter and wished it still worked. LOL.
Pbarber307
02-23-20, 03:16
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Mustang946
03-05-20, 12:12
I was in the area for work yesterday and dropped in to Best in Chantilly. I was met by Sue at the door and was pleasantly surprised. She is probably in her early 40's but filled out her low cut dress pretty well. The table shower was pleasant and thorough. The massage started and included a fairly lengthy walk on my back. I was feeling pretty good on the flip. She asked what I wanted and she initially indicated I didn't bring enough for a test of her oral presentation skills. We agreed to $100 for full body contact and a HJ but shorty after disrobing and letting me enjoy her nice tits and shapely ass, she agreed to a CBJ but warned me it would cost more next time. She also told me to bring my own hat. I was very impressed by her skills and the attention she gave the boys. I will be going back. I was almost hesitant to post this for fear she might get too popular.
OldMan.I think you overpaid for what you received. You're close to FS rates there.
OldManInVa
03-05-20, 16:42
I think you overpaid for what you received. You're close to FS rates there.I think $100 for a BJ isn't outrageous. Anything more than that is approaching the $140 I understand to be a FS rate. I don't want FS and there seems to be little discount for just a BJ. I know some guys have posted $80 as a standard price. I don't like to stress out over negotiations.
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She is here until next week. House fee is 120 and the more tips you give the more you get. Good luck bro.While it's definitely true that "the more tips you give the more you get," you also need to factor in the menu limits of the individual provider. From my visits with Candy, and from other board reports, anyone expecting oral (either way) or FS is going to be disappointed. That being said, she's definitely worth a visit (IMHO) for her looks, personality, and the quality of the massage. As long as expectations aren't out of line with available service options, all should be fine.
I think you overpaid for what you received. You're close to FS rates there.I understand Mustang's perspective. However, depending on where I go, what I'm in the mood for, and what I receive paying what is a FS rate for a less than FS experience can be satisfying. I'll regularly pay a higher rate in Fairfax County for FS, BBBJ / CIM or a slightly lower rate for the same service in PG County. But I have a go to gal who doesn't give FS or even a CBJ, yet makes out like a teenager, gives a terrific TS, and enjoys DFK, DATY, DATO and has a great sense of humor. I happily pay her a fee approaching FS. Some would disagree with my approach, but it works for me.
Enjoy.
Rhino.
I understand Mustang's perspective. However, depending on where I go, what I'm in the mood for, and what I receive paying what is a FS rate for a less than FS experience can be satisfying. I'll regularly pay a higher rate in Fairfax County for FS, BBBJ / CIM or a slightly lower rate for the same service in PG County. But I have a go to gal who doesn't give FS or even a CBJ, yet makes out like a teenager, gives a terrific TS, and enjoys DFK, DATY, DATO and has a great sense of humor. I happily pay her a fee approaching FS. Some would disagree with my approach, but it works for me.
Enjoy.
Rhino.I think every monger has paid too much at one point or another. Sometimes it's done on purpose, such as to leave a favorable impression for future visits, and sometimes it's done out of laziness or because of "thinking with the little head" syndrome.
I think once you've been in this game for a while you can tell the difference. The classic scenario for encouraging GPS is consistently paying higher than market rates for AMP services. When an AMP girl (and they're mostly all excellent at upsell) asks for an $80 tip for a plain HJ, and the client pays what he knows is a ripoff price, then I think it's fair to point out how that encourages GPS and has an adverse impact on others.
For a single provider with whom you have (or think you have) a special relationship, I don't think too many would find much fault with that. OTOH, wouldn't it be a pisser if you found out she provided the same level of service to others for less?
PilotAviator
03-09-20, 01:03
I think every monger has paid too much at one point or another. Sometimes it's done on purpose, such as to leave a favorable impression for future visits, and sometimes it's done out of laziness or because of "thinking with the little head" syndrome.
I think once you've been in this game for a while you can tell the difference. The classic scenario for encouraging GPS is consistently paying higher than market rates for AMP services. When an AMP girl (and they're mostly all excellent at upsell) asks for an $80 tip for a plain HJ, and the client pays what he knows is a ripoff price, then I think it's fair to point out how that encourages GPS and has an adverse impact on others.
For a single provider with whom you have (or think you have) a special relationship, I don't think too many would find much fault with that. OTOH, wouldn't it be a pisser if you found out she provided the same level of service to others for less?JmS wrote "OTOH, wouldn't it be a pisser if you found out she provided the same level of service to others for less?" -- and that happened to me. Assuming the accuracy of the report (and I have no reason to doubt the accuracy), a monger brother recently reported he received the same service I get at forty dollars less with no complaints from the provider. I've not been back, and I am not sure I will.
To avoid her whine, I knew I was paying premium -- I thought I was being nice to the lady.
PA.
TheOuroboros
03-09-20, 02:19
JmS wrote "OTOH, wouldn't it be a pisser if you found out she provided the same level of service to others for less?" -- and that happened to me. Assuming the accuracy of the report (and I have no reason to doubt the accuracy), a monger brother recently reported he received the same service I get at forty dollars less with no complaints from the provider. I've not been back, and I am not sure I will.
To avoid her whine, I knew I was paying premium -- I thought I was being nice to the lady.
PA.I think we've all had that experience at one point or another, or will have in the future. And, sadly, While you may get close, there isn't an exact science or mathematical formula that will sure strike everytime. Human beings are consistently inconsistent. I'll check forums, read reviews, or talk to mongers and find out my ATF is dishing out my special for 20.40. 60 less than what I'm paying, and while it does anger me I think its the art of the deal. There's many factors that can go into it, maybe if business is slow and they are desperate enough they'll offer more for less? I know a number of mongers use the play book "but this is all I have?" And they sometimes get lucky, and the lady goes "more next time" and maybe there's never a next time. LOL. Sometimes it's good business sense to charge less if it means gaining a regular. But now I'm just sitting here trying to get philosophical and dig into the mindset of someone who performs these acts for money. I once had an interesting conversation with an AMP gal who told me she once had a guy, who she told me was most likely a homeless man who tried to pay for a HJ using a roll of quarters. She told him to keep the money and gave him one anyway. Her act of charity for the year LOL. . why?. . it's a god damn mystery folks. But it's a story that racks my brain, provides me with senseless laughter, and brings me to my point. The research here certainly helps us to establish a fair price point for both sides but it's anyone's game out there in the wild Wild West.
I'd pay $500/ hr for Elite pussy if I didn't have to give up my PI. Guys paying for GPS is not the problem. It's the dummies out here giving away PI to play that causes the problem. Don't get desperate b / c they need us to survive.
Unable to pay for GPS just means that you need to work harder to pay for GPS. SMH.
I wanted to get verified by them too and they asked for similar info. I sent a selfie, a reference, and my drivers license with everything blocked out but my first name and picture. Not enough. I told them thanks but no thanks.
Stand your ground, gentlemen. Only you can determine what PII you're willing to give away and everyone has their own limits on screening. I understand the safety of the providers is important, but so is anonymity.
I'd pay $500/ hr for Elite pussy if I didn't have to give up my PI. Guys paying for GPS is not the problem. It's the dummies out here giving away PI to play that causes the problem. Don't get desperate b / c they need us to survive.
Unable to pay for GPS just means that you need to work harder to pay for GPS. SMH.Everyone must make their own determination about how much PII they're willing to share. For some, it's an issue of fear and potentially getting busted one day by Uncle LEO. A few agencies that horde our info is a valid concern, especially when they get pinched. But ultimately, giving up PII is free. There's no membership fee, no obligation to supply work emails, none of that if one isn't comfortable. And there's plenty of agencies / providers that offer zero screening procedures.
GPS, on the other hand, can be a serious issue. It's one thing if you're tipping a provider (or SB) for a fantastic time and quite another for overpaying exorbitant prices when there's plenty of other talent to be had. When an 18 year-old SB fresh new to college offers herself for 600 / hour, I wish she comes up empty as it would be a valuable reminder to her that she's not a pro. She shouldn't get to charge those kind of prices and expect to live the high roller life just because she's 18 and has girl-next-door looks (not even model-grade, either). But all too often, guys think with their little head and fork over the benjamins. Like PII-sharing, it's each individual's choice whether they want to engage in this sort of encouragement or overpay an escort just because she's "touring" the area and has DD bolt-ons with a California tan. But it makes it difficult for those not made of money who can only afford the escape this hobby offers at set (or random) intervals.
If you come from money, great! I'm certainly not hurting any myself. At the same time, I also don't like to just throw that shit easily away by "making it rain" in order to make a statement or lavishly treat a woman for an average (or worse) time. Doing so makes them justify continued GPS behavior far more than giving up one's PII. That's not an opinion, that's fact.
Also, anyone engaging in any sort of PBM are the absolute worst. That's a practice that should automatically be grounds for ignoring ANY provider. I don't care if she looks like the second coming of Pamela Anderson or Jessica Alba, that shit is beyond stupid and frankly deserving of being scammed. I've done it myself when first starting out and quickly learned my lesson. Sometimes, we have to learn the hard way or pick up on it over time. As you said yourself, "don't become desperate because they need us to survive. " We hold the real power in this hobby. I firmly believe if we all stopped cold turkey from any and all activity for a month, we'd see prices plummet in a real hurry. Probably not such a bad idea due to this virus spreading around. Cheers!
NovaThings
03-11-20, 06:34
I'd pay $500/ hr for Elite pussy if I didn't have to give up my PI. Guys paying for GPS is not the problem. It's the dummies out here giving away PI to play that causes the problem. Don't get desperate b / c they need us to survive.
Unable to pay for GPS just means that you need to work harder to pay for GPS. SMH.Your attitude is what literally co$t$ the rest of us. Saying work harder makes no sense when you're willing to pay double the going rate for the same level for service. You have one mediocre to bad experience and yet you're willing to throw that kind of $ at that is a major issue. Money doesn't equate to value but hopefully expected value and I've been disappointed a lot lately. Giving away PI is bad enough but when you tell the rest of us to work harder I'm pretty certain the rest of us understand basic math. You're advocating and willing to pay at the level of two appointments at the going cost of one. You do that math elsewhere and it's almost three to one in some areas for the same level and quality of service. The problem is you're willing to pay for mediocre GPS when in reality the rest of us want the market to equal the demand.
I'd pay $500/ hr for Elite pussy if I didn't have to give up my PI. Guys paying for GPS is not the problem. It's the dummies out here giving away PI to play that causes the problem. Don't get desperate b / c they need us to survive.
Unable to pay for GPS just means that you need to work harder to pay for GPS. SMH.Ha, needs to work harder! Dudes that are willing to pay over the market prices have to in order to get pussy, period! Some can try to act like they're rolling in loot but we know, either you're fat AF, ugly AF, or you have halitosis. Ya know like you just ate a hot doodoo sandwich!
I used to worry about dudes messing up the market by paying out so much but there's plenty of options out there for most of us. Keep it real!
Creepin.
I'd pay $500/ hr for Elite pussy if I didn't have to give up my PI. Guys paying for GPS is not the problem. It's the dummies out here giving away PI to play that causes the problem. Don't get desperate b / c they need us to survive.
Unable to pay for GPS just means that you need to work harder to pay for GPS. SMH.Most car buyers, whether for a Bugatti, Benz, or Buick, view the MSRP as a starting point for negotiation. But, if someone wants to pay top dollar, it's their $ and their right to spend it however they want. If they consistently do this, however, it's fair game for others to wonder whether that buyer lacks the skill or motivation to get the better price that can usually be found with a little comparison shopping and negotiation. And the bigger SMH (shaking my head or scratching my head, either one) moment is when they pay top dollar and still end up with a lemon.
I'm sure everyone has a story about when the price they paid for a good or service had little relationship to the quality and value received. This is more true in the hobby than in almost any other market since there are no consumer protection laws for pussy. This forum has seen plenty of posts about $400-500+ providers who were anything but elite. On a personal level, it wouldn't pinch my wallet to drop $1,000 for a session but why would I when I have confidence I can find excellent value for (much) less. Nor would it ever cross my mind to tell some poor schmuck who could only afford $500 that he should work harder. But that's just me.
LuckyLuciano00
03-12-20, 22:29
What do those abbreviations mean?
What do those abbreviations mean?Normally, I'd say to check the "Abbreviations" tab near the top of this page. But I see these terms you're asking about aren't listed so it's all good.
GPS = "golden pussy syndrome. " If you ever come across an escort, masseuse, stripper, or sugar baby that thinks she's worth some exorbitant amount than the services she advertises (basically overcharging when there are far better options available at a fraction of her costs), that's GPS.
SB = "sugar baby. " If you ever check out sites like Seeking Arrangements (SA), these are what the girls there are called, the term they in lieu of "escort" or "hooker" (even though you're still paying for their companionship, intimacy, etc).
What do those abbreviations mean?GPS stands for golden pussy syndrome.
Kraven Morehed
03-20-20, 10:02
I think you overpaid for what you received. You're close to FS rates there.100%.
Give them these kind of payments and they believe it is the value of the swrvoce.
Good Morning friends:
Just wanted some advice / sounding board. I guess its not advisable to go to hotels during this period in the NOVA area. Because never know who stayed there and CDC guidelines say you have wipe everything first, and the sheets and pillow are suspect etc. I cannot host and sometimes feel jealous of those that can (they already had it good, now it gets million times better) and I guess SBs that can host are at a premium. But would love to hear what you think about hotels. I am also older so in the risk bracket.
Good Morning friends:
Just wanted some advice / sounding board. I guess its not advisable to go to hotels during this period in the NOVA area. Because never know who stayed there and CDC guidelines say you have wipe everything first, and the sheets and pillow are suspect etc. I cannot host and sometimes feel jealous of those that can (they already had it good, now it gets million times better) and I guess SBs that can host are at a premium. But would love to hear what you think about hotels. I am also older so in the risk bracket.The major hotel chains (Hyatt, Hilton, Marriott, etc.) all have sent out notices about how they've stepped up their cleaning and disinfecting routines. Some providers (and SBs) offer incall in an apartment setting, but that's only as clean as their personal hygiene dictates, which could be better or worse than a hotel.
But, if you're in the higher risk bracket, there really isn't any scenario that's fully safe for you. It's a calculated crapshoot and you're the only one who can decide if it's worth rolling the dice. An important consideration is, of course, who is in your home or personal circle that might be exposed if you bring it back with you. Again, you're the only one who can decide, but you won't be deciding for yourself alone.
Gentlemen I have a friend who is looking for some kind mongers to treat right an every way. If any of you are Interested in a great Thai GFE fun feel free to hit me up and I will be happy to send you her way!! I have seen her 3 times between the last 2 weeks and it just keeps getting better!! You take this for a test drive and you will be thanking me for ages perfect petite lady with an amazing body and great rackBe careful with this one. This is the same girl that StuckNMiddle was promoting last month.
Interesting. So you think kgirls are for people with low standards? I think most will agree that kgirls consistently have some of the best service here.That is absurd. It is a matter of preference and has nothing to do with lower standards. I agree with BH. I can say that when I went to Thailand and Manila, they are very enthusiastic.
StuckNmiddle
04-10-20, 12:20
Be careful with this one. This is the same girl that StuckNMiddle was promoting last month.I don't promote anyone. And the girls I sent info on were white not Thai. If there was a problem a PM would be much better than spreading unwarranted lies bud.
BoobyHunter
04-10-20, 13:31
That is absurd. It is a matter of preference and has nothing to do with lower standards. I agree with BH. I can say that when I went to Thailand and Manila, they are very enthusiastic.Yeah, I was very confused by Deranged's comment on kgirls. Since when did kgirls become the same caliber as BP girls? It's obvious he's never seen a kgirl, or has never been able to get screened. Looking at his past comments, I can tell that he's all talk with no real experience. He hasn't posted any real reviews or info. He chimes in here and there, piggybacking on other people's comments. He's basically another Rice33,34, 35, Kpop1.
Any guy who is on a poon board and says he, "rarely see a woman posted here that I would hook up with in my personal life, let alone pay money for it" and tries to act big is desperately trying to find a hot escort that he can afford. I've seen it time and time again.
Deranged, why make comments on something you clearly don't know about? If you don't like Asian women, that's fine, it's all about what floats your boat. But to say that kgirls are on the same level as BP girls is totally absurd.
Be careful with this one. This is the same girl that StuckNMiddle was promoting last month.What did he say?
BoobyHunter
04-10-20, 16:17
For me, it's more than just about the service. My base standards for hookups are: is educated, is beautiful, is in good shape, can speak good (if not fluent) English, and can hold a decent conversation. Strong, strong preference for American women because they are more relatable, and I don't get a nagging feeling in my head that they got flown across the world for this because they had no other options. When I hook up with a girl, I seek both emotional and physical fulfillment.LMAO. So you're saying you're making a judgement call on women you've never even seen before and that statement is argumentative because you have no experience with them since they're too low of a caliber for you.
What you're describing is an SO. Why are you even here then? I've looked through your posts and you never actually give a review of anyone. But you do seem to have an opinion on things. Even though what you just said pretty much shows that you haven't really even seen anyone. Instead of giving opinions on things that clearly you don't know anything about, why don't you actually post a review. Who is someone that we can "seek both emotional and physical fulfillment" from?
DoctorDoctor
04-10-20, 17:28
I've heard that some bring Clorox solution to clean the surfaces.
The major hotel chains (Hyatt, Hilton, Marriott, etc.) all have sent out notices about how they've stepped up their cleaning and disinfecting routines. Some providers (and SBs) offer incall in an apartment setting, but that's only as clean as their personal hygiene dictates, which could be better or worse than a hotel.
But, if you're in the higher risk bracket, there really isn't any scenario that's fully safe for you. It's a calculated crapshoot and you're the only one who can decide if it's worth rolling the dice. An important consideration is, of course, who is in your home or personal circle that might be exposed if you bring it back with you. Again, you're the only one who can decide, but you won't be deciding for yourself alone.
A UTR I know is looking to meet a few friends for this weekend only. She's white skinny (not spinner) 23 years old and based out of manassas. She is a little steep in donation range but well worth it. She's only looking for select few so pm if you're interested. CBJ CFS (BBBJ and Greek are YMMV).
Stay safe.The girl StuckNMiddle "promoted" in this ad (although he says this is not a promotion) is the same one that was promoted earlier today. I don't have a problem with people promoting talent, but it seems odd that two separate people are both promoting the same girl.
OldManInVa
04-10-20, 18:28
The girl StuckNMiddle "promoted" in this ad (although he says this is not a promotion) is the same one that was promoted earlier today. I don't have a problem with people promoting talent, but it seems odd that two separate people are both promoting the same girl.Did you get the phone number from StuckNMiddle and they match or something? CoCo is giving out info for a Thai girl in Reston not a white girl in Manassas. Not sure why you are making a big deal unless you had issues with her.
BoobyHunter
04-10-20, 18:59
The girl StuckNMiddle "promoted" in this ad (although he says this is not a promotion) is the same one that was promoted earlier today. I don't have a problem with people promoting talent, but it seems odd that two separate people are both promoting the same girl.WTF are you talking about? Soco was talking about a Thai woman and Stuck is talking about a white woman. What really seems odd is that you would post something about someone that aren't even related. Obviously you have an issue with Stuck.
Grafenberg
04-10-20, 19:12
Why would a monger want to take that kind of risk with BBFS?
Why would a provider be willing to take the risk with BBFS?
I think if you want BBFS, get a significant other.
How am I wrong in my thinking?The best business advice is to mind your own business. People are going to do what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe upon your rights, don't worry about other's choices.
WalterKovacs
04-10-20, 19:22
Just a reminder: NOW IS NOT THE TIME to take chances on CS ads or paying GPS prices! The way things are right now with the economy / pandemic, some providers will try anything to get $ out of you. DO NOT send any money before appointments. DO NOT pay outrageous prices. If she's charging 180-200 for NON GFE, take your business elsewhere or be firm in negotiating.
MangoBalls78
04-10-20, 19:50
The best business advice is to mind your own business. People are going to do what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe upon your rights, don't worry about other's choices.You could argue this kind of thing could spread STDs and in the end it does infringe upon what you could do. Just like the current outbreak. The public at large is social distancing and taking great measure so that we don't spread this virus. It's going to take all of us to practice some discipline if we want to end the pandemic and get back to "normal" life or to some sort of normalcy. I don't really buy into the idea of "let others do what they want as long as it doesn't impact me" The truth is, IMO, most of what we do have some impact (great or small) on the world and the people living in it.
StuckNmiddle
04-10-20, 20:35
Did you get the phone number from StuckNMiddle and they match or something? CoCo is giving out info for a Thai girl in Reston not a white girl in Manassas. Not sure why you are making a big deal unless you had issues with her.I have zero clue how my name got brought up anyones posts. I know utrs in manassas. White mostly and 2 black girls. If one of them ask for extra help ill post here to let people know. How a 23 yo white skinny (not spinner) gets confused for Thai in reston is beyond me. Thank you for pointing out the obvious flaws in his posts.
The girl StuckNMiddle "promoted" in this ad (although he says this is not a promotion) is the same one that was promoted earlier today. I don't have a problem with people promoting talent, but it seems odd that two separate people are both promoting the same girl.This is exactly why people don't post bc of negative bs!! I try and help spread some joy in a time where not much fun is left to pick. The same cut off your nose to spite your face. You must be grumpy from being stuck at home cheer yourself up with some Thai ice cream or get a passafire.
Why would a monger want to take that kind of risk with BBFS?
Why would a provider be willing to take the risk with BBFS?
I think if you want BBFS, get a significant other.
How am I wrong in my thinking?Well son, I've been in the hobby since I was stationed in Vietnam and have seldom turned down BBFS. Back in 'Nam I wouldn't use a condom but always shower and pee afterwards and also pop a "no sweat pill" (tetracycline), as recommended by an MD friend. I lived in Latin America for several years as well as in Korea plus three wonderful years in Thailand. Antibiotics changed over time and in recent years it's been Levaquin with an added kick of hand sanitizer on the wand plus the requisite shower and pee. I've never had an STD and have had many, many wonderful bareback sessions. COVID-19 has changed the dynamics but when it's gone it'll still be better than taking a shower in a raincoat.
BoloBellgrande
04-10-20, 23:34
Just got to search for it in this thread, man. But basically, "regular" is non-GFE and "plus" is GFE. For this region, GFE typically entails LFK, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and CFS (very rarely BBFS, even rarer CIP). A non-GFE would be no kissing of any kind, no DATY, only CBJ, only CFS, and that's it. In other words, very basic service at a reduced rate.You are wrong.
How is it you post so much and are always wrong?
Guys, go over to the PG county massage board and go back a while and see how ignorance allowed the basic rate to go up 40% just like that.
For years and years, the difference is ONLY cim service.
It has only been ignorance that has led to some women getting by with service that would have been trashed in the past.
WalterKovacs
04-11-20, 01:36
This is exactly why people don't post bc of negative bs!! I try and help spread some joy in a time where not much fun is left to pick. The same cut off your nose to spite your face. You must be grumpy from being stuck at home cheer yourself up with some Thai ice cream or get a passafire.He's an arsonist?
BoobyHunter
04-11-20, 09:11
Anyone else keep getting PMs from Rice34? He sent me 3 last night LMAO. What a troll.
This is exactly why people don't post bc of negative bs!! I try and help spread some joy in a time where not much fun is left to pick. The same cut off your nose to spite your face. You must be grumpy from being stuck at home cheer yourself up with some Thai ice cream or get a passafire.Hi Soco1,
Your mailbox must be full, my pm to you didn't go through. Can you please send me the contact. Thanks.
You are wrong. How is it you post so much and are always wrong? Guys, go over to the PG county massage board and go back a while and see how ignorance allowed the basic rate to go up 40% just like that.
For years and years, the difference is ONLY cim service. It has only been ignorance that has led to some women getting by with service that would have been trashed in the past.Alright then, a few things to unpack here:
1) I have no problem admitting fault or making a mistake. I'm human after all. So if Rice34 (or one of the other related users) could explain which other posts I made in error, I'm all ears.
2) Both bookers at AG & DS agencies have only ever quoted me the one rate ladder. If they did indeed have a non-GFE rate or one that doesn't include CIM or MSOG, it was never offered nor advertised to me.
3) Guys from this region who are willing to fork over the extra green are what accounts for the continued rise in rates, and I doubt it's by 40%. Mongers new to the scene or area are guilty of being ignorant of how the scene works at times. Why vilify or shame said folks? Experience will teach them.
4) Lastly, have a beer--or 5--and calm down, buddy. We're all here to share, learn, laugh, reminisce, and enjoy reading other folks' adventures or mishaps. Cheers!
MangoBalls78
04-11-20, 13:01
Anyone else keep getting PMs from Rice34? He sent me 3 last night LMAO. What a troll.I got several from him the past 6 months or so. In fact I got one last night from him and I don't even know what he's talking about.
BoobyHunter
04-11-20, 22:27
I got several from him the past 6 months or so. In fact I got one last night from him and I don't even know what he's talking about.Yeah, he keeps calling me out and says the same thing over and over, even though I've told him otherwise. He sent me 3 PMs last night LOL.
StuckNmiddle
04-12-20, 04:54
WTF are you talking about? Soco was talking about a Thai woman and Stuck is talking about a white woman. What really seems odd is that you would post something about someone that aren't even related. Obviously you have an issue with Stuck.I don't even know the guy. I passed info on a UTR in manassas. Gave the description. He supposedly reached out to her and told her no because he was looking for a spinner with huge tits and huge ass but they can't be fake. Good luck with that. He reached out and told me he wasnt interested after talking to the girl. I said ok and never thought of the situation again until this. I guess hes mad at me for not finding what hes looking for? LOL.
Times are tough in NOVA and the mongers are staying in. Everybody is in debt, and living on credit. A visiting monger books a outcall date at a motel. But he wants to check it out first. He goes to the hotel, lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms before signing in. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to his local car repair man. The car repair man pays his debt to his provider, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her "services" on credit. The provider rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the traveler will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves. No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now out of debt and now looks to the future with a lot more optimism. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how a Stimulus package works. However, do not expect your provider to take credit ever again.
BoobyHunter
04-12-20, 18:40
I don't even know the guy. I passed info on a UTR in manassas. Gave the description. He supposedly reached out to her and told her no because he was looking for a spinner with huge tits and huge ass but they can't be fake. Good luck with that. He reached out and told me he wasnt interested after talking to the girl. I said ok and never thought of the situation again until this. I guess hes mad at me for not finding what hes looking for? LOL.LMAO what a beta. It's cry babies like this that need to try dating in real life and then grow a fucking pair. He doesn't need to be so fucking pissy. Like he went after you and shat on Soca's post and Soca was just a bystander LOL.
BoobyHunter
04-14-20, 12:07
I've had top notch K Girls 200/220 for HH and 260 for HR. But 300 an HR is outrageous if I'm giving up the personal info they're requested.
AsianGems is a joke.From the Escorts thread. Wow. $40 more is soooo outrageous. LMAO.
From the Escorts thread. Wow. $40 more is soooo outrageous. LMAOYeah, I'm not sure I follow WalterKovac's logic on that one. I wrote a pretty lengthy post explaining my side of things, but I highly doubt he'll even read it.
Ah well, his loss. I'm fully screened with AG and have yet to be let down by them. And I'd totally give Crystal a visit if it weren't for this damn pandemic. Ah well, plenty of fish in the sea as they say.
Yeah, I'm not sure I follow WalterKovac's logic on that one. I wrote a pretty lengthy post explaining my side of things, but I highly doubt he'll even read it.
Ah well, his loss. I'm fully screened with AG and have yet to be let down by them. And I'd totally give Crystal a visit if it weren't for this damn pandemic. Ah well, plenty of fish in the sea as they say.I tried to explain to him as well, based on my experiences. For what he wants, he should consider moving to Canada or taking long trips. A long as your phone number looks legit, they'll book you and it's a bargain compared to the DC area. It's his loss, but agencies can choose what they references they'll accept, and we can choose if we want to deal with that or stick with our current set of providers and hope that another agency will answer. You could even book with wechat. I've yet to get any response back from HT or CP. It took for ever just to get anyone from AG or DS to answer my emails and texts.
BoobyHunter
04-15-20, 12:40
Yeah, I'm not sure I follow WalterKovac's logic on that one. I wrote a pretty lengthy post explaining my side of things, but I highly doubt he'll even read it.
Ah well, his loss. I'm fully screened with AG and have yet to be let down by them. And I'd totally give Crystal a visit if it weren't for this damn pandemic. Ah well, plenty of fish in the sea as they say.I understand his reluctance at giving away his PII, but he makes it sound like it's worth it at $260, but at $300 it's completely irrational LMAO.
BoobyHunter
04-22-20, 11:04
I finally got a response from AG once via email and this was my exchange:
(ironically literally a year ago) I provided first and last name on DL. A credit card with name, references etc. The booker says I will get a call tomorrow. Booker then emails and says to provide a business card which I told her we don't print business cards. She asked what is I do and I said I work at a small social media company. After that ghosted.
Fuck CVIP too. Good for you for standing firm. I only recently attempted with them, offered my references. They said no. I kept it moving. More people should be like you.Dude, you've been going on about this for like a week now. Give it a fucking rest. Plenty of other fish in the ocean. You seriously come off as being butthurt by this. If you don't like their screening methods, then move on. You now sound like a little kid who's angry that he can't play with another kid's toy so you talk shit about it so you can rationalize it in your brain that it's not worth it. You've already made a big deal as to their being a huge difference of $40 LMAO.
BigDaddyDiddle
04-23-20, 08:05
Dude, you've been going on about this for like a week now. Give it a fucking rest. Plenty of other fish in the ocean. You seriously come off as being butthurt by this. If you don't like their screening methods, then move on. You now sound like a little kid who's angry that he can't play with another kid's toy so you talk shit about it so you can rationalize it in your brain that it's not worth it. You've already made a big deal as to their being a huge difference of $40 LMAO.I totally agree, I feel like he does this every time one of th K agencies is even mentioned, especially AG. I totally understand the frustration as I only got in with AG but could never get in with any other ones. But his constant "reminders" about giving up PII, jumping through hoops is kind of discouraging to even write a review for those who are interested. At first I didn't take his post seriously since his username is the name after Rorschach from Watchmen, who is known for anarchy. But like Boobyhunter said he really sound butt hurt. I guess when I finally decided to see someone not from AG I'll post a review LOL.
AssManTwoU
04-28-20, 08:58
I don't even know the guy. I passed info on a UTR in manassas. Gave the description. He supposedly reached out to her and told her no because he was looking for a spinner with huge tits and huge ass but they can't be fake. Good luck with that. He reached out and told me he wasnt interested after talking to the girl. I said ok and never thought of the situation again until this. I guess hes mad at me for not finding what hes looking for? LOL.StuckNMiddle,
She sounds perfect to me.
Please PM me.
Member #6066
05-02-20, 19:42
I'm seriously thinking about taking the leap and I'm curious about how in-depth her screening process is. Anyone able to let me know?
I merged all your users into the one username that wasn't deliberately designed to create political controversy.
Don't make anymore. If you do I will delete them all next time.
A2
Member #6066
05-03-20, 08:55
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Go ahead, I'll find them because its your content that gives you away. You make them, I'll find them.
A2
Member #6066
05-03-20, 09:22
To Admin A2.
My life doesn't come to an end because I can't post to usasexguide. Although, the site has been useful in getting information; I could give two fucks about being a senior. If I'm looking for info or entertainment I'll browse without a username.
The majority of the users on this board are fucking losers that throw there member rank around as if anyone really fucking cares "I'm a Senior" When in actuality they're really just fat unattractive fucks that have no access to pussy unless through their wallets. They value board "cred" as if it's of any real significance and actually really think that the connections built with these ****** are real. I've been to many of the girls mentioned on this board and to think that some of these lame fucks have ate their pussy and even celebrate it is mind boggling.
And as for A2 who this message is meant for. Don't threaten to delete my account (s), do it *****. Be about it! Your significance is none. My only hope for use as an admin of this site is that you eventually meet the same fate as Lacey and Larkin of Backpage fame!
GirthVaderVa, CoronaBiden, KingKingston.
Post #123.
I merged all your users into the one username that wasn't deliberately designed to create political controversy.
Don't make anymore. If you do I will delete them all next time.
A2.
Delete them *****! I don't give a fuck! I'm definitely creating more now.
My life doesn't come to an end because I can't post to usasexguide. Although, the site has been useful in getting information; I could give two fucks about being a senior. If I'm looking for info or entertainment I'll browse without a username.I'm so thoroughly confused with this logic. So you don't care about becoming a senior, which is fine. But you'll "browse without a username" even though you threaten earlier to spam-create username accounts. Kinda seems like your life really does revolve around this site despite claiming the contrary. Also, why even have multiple accounts? To what end or purpose does it serve? The only reasons which I can come up with is to fictitiously create a "group" of users so as to dog-pile any who might disagree with you, or to stir up shit / troll for the lulz, or to advertise on a provider's behalf. If there's some other legitimate reason which I've overlooked, by all means share it. I'm all ears.
The majority of the users on this board are fucking losers that throw there member rank around as if anyone really fucking cares "I'm a Senior" When in actuality they're really just fat unattractive fucks that have no access to pussy unless through their wallets. They value board "cred" as if it's of any real significance and actually really think that the connections built with these ****** are real. I've been to many of the girls mentioned on this board and to think that some of these lame fucks have ate their pussy and even celebrate it is mind boggling.It's true that there are some seniors here who are pieces of shit. But you'll find people like that from every walk of life. Among your friends, in the workplace, at an amusement park, movie theater, public beach, church, school, internet forum, everywhere. This phenomena is not exclusive. But to label "the majority" here as being "fucking losers" is quite an exaggeration. I get you're angry, though your overreaction and lashing out at the majority will not garner sympathy to your plight. And even though you'll claim to not care, you sure have an unusual way of showing it.
In a way, you remind me of ISIS / ISIL. Not because you resemble a formerly intimidating / threatening terrorist organization. The parallel I'm drawing is a group which essentially declared war on everyone around them. They opted to take a shit everywhere, not discriminating in their vitriol and venom, trying to piss off every major player, every country, etc. And how did that end up for them? Obliterated into obscurity, delegated to a mere mention in some history books, ostracized by the very groups from which they claimed to represent.
That's you man. Trying to show everyone here that you're a big boy now, that you're not going to take it anymore, that everyone here is beneath you as you thump your chest. And in the end, no one here takes you seriously. We have a chuckle at your expense. You can try to make yourself feel better by calling everyone "fat unattractive fucks" who live in mom and pop's basement all you like, but it seems like your projecting. Like a small child that didn't get to play with someone else's toy, telling themselves that said toy sucks anyway and insulting the owner.
And as for A2 who this message is meant for. Don't threaten to delete my account (s), do it * Be about it! Your significance is none. My only hope for use as an admin of this site is that you eventually meet the same fate as Lacey and Larkin of Backpage fame!
GirthVaderVa, CoronaBiden, KingKingston.And now we reach a conclusion, the alleged source of your anger, the reason for declaring war on all (particularly an admin, which I'm sure will totally work out well for you).
All he said was to stop creating multiple user accounts for the sake of stirring up shit. It's common sense and courtesy. Don't act like an asshole. Treat people how you want to be treated. Why stir the pot for the lulz? It speaks volumes about your maturity level and, again, won't garner any sympathy to your cause. If you can't act with some class, refuse to be anything other than a piece of shit, lash out at everyone just because you suffered a public rebuke from one person, than you frankly aren't deserving of being treated with respect. As A2 / admin said, feel free to spam create all the user accounts your heart desires. But you'd only be wasting your time.
Thanks for providing entertainment at your expense, and cheers!
Member #6066
05-03-20, 20:22
You haven't found all my usernames so your method isn't as accurate as you think.
Go ahead, I'll find them because its your content that gives you away. You make them, I'll find them.
A2.
You haven't found all my usernames so your method isn't as accurate as you think.
Go ahead, I'll find them because its your content that gives you away. You make them, I'll find them.
A2.OK, game on or something. Have at it.
Pbarber307
05-04-20, 02:20
The majority of the users on this board are fucking losers that throw there member rank around as if anyone really fucking cares "I'm a Senior" When in actuality they're really just fat unattractive fucks that have no access to pussy unless through their wallets. They value board "cred" as if it's of any real significance and actually really think that the connections built with these ****** are real. I've been to many of the girls mentioned on this board and to think that some of these lame fucks have ate their pussy and even celebrate it is mind boggling. Damn, that's some serious shit. Yet, here you are, acting like some jilted fat chick.
Member #6066
05-04-20, 08:07
ISIL really? Hilarious! This is entertainment to me as well, with truth about this site sprinkled in. Nothing more nothing less. You can only hope I'm the person you described; so in what you describe as projection doesn't play on your conscious of who you are. It seems I described you to a T. If it didn't you wouldn't feel a need to defend yourself.
If you have an urge to respond, I encourage you to do so, because again it's pretty entertaining to me as well LOL.
I'm so thoroughly confused with this logic. So you don't care about becoming a senior, which is fine. But you'll "browse without a username" even though you threaten earlier to spam-create username accounts. Kinda seems like your life really does revolve around this site despite claiming the contrary. Also, why even have multiple accounts? To what end or purpose does it serve? The only reasons which I can come up with is to fictitiously create a "group" of users so as to dog-pile any who might disagree with you, or to stir up shit / troll for the lulz, or to advertise on a provider's behalf. If there's some other legitimate reason which I've overlooked, by all means share it. I'm all ears.
It's true that there are some seniors here who are pieces of shit. But you'll find people like that from every walk of life. Among your friends, in the workplace, at an amusement park, movie theater, public beach, church, school, internet forum, everywhere. This phenomena is not exclusive. But to label "the majority" here as being "fucking losers" is quite an exaggeration. I get you're angry, though your overreaction and lashing out at the majority will not garner sympathy to your plight. And even though you'll claim to not care, you sure have an unusual way of showing it.
In a way, you remind me of ISIS / ISIL. Not because you resemble a formerly intimidating / threatening terrorist organization. The parallel I'm drawing is a group which essentially declared war on everyone around them. They opted to take a shit everywhere, not discriminating in their vitriol and venom, trying to piss off every major player, every country, etc. And how did that end up for them? Obliterated into obscurity, delegated to a mere mention in some history books, ostracized by the very groups from which they claimed to represent.
ISIL really? Hilarious! This is entertainment to me as well, with truth about this site sprinkled in. Nothing more nothing less. You can only hope I'm the person you described; so in what you describe as projection doesn't play on your conscious of who you are. It seems I described you to a T. If it didn't you wouldn't feel a need to defend yourself.
If you have an urge to respond, I encourage you to do so, because again it's pretty entertaining to me as well LOL.Great, glad you're amused. If trolling, stirring up shit, and spam-creating user accounts gets you hard, knock yourself out. But the fact (not opinion, fact) of the matter is that you don't have anyone here on this forum that sympathizes or agrees with with you. No one (unless you count your multiple user accounts). And you might claim to not care, opting to flip the bird at everyone surrounding you. But you do have a funny way of proving you don't care by sticking around, helping this site by being a part of the traffic, and embodying the very bullshit which you rail against.
As for defending myself against your labels / insults which you flung on everyone, know in advance that I legitimately couldn't care less what you think of me. I'm not out to seek your approval or to prove that I'm not as you projected. And besides, being employed at a decent job, owning a house & vehicle, and / or being medically insured doesn't make one a better person. It's their character, integrity, self-respect, how they treat others, what they're like in private, who someone hangs out with, and so much more. That's the measure of a man, and you've fallen so far short of that basic standard that I'm embarrassed for you.
This is likely my final reply on the matter to you as I don't feel the urge to prove anything anymore than you feel likewise. You're the human embodiment of cancer, and nothing anyone here will ever sway you to change. My only hope is that you take a flying leap off a very high building one day. Enjoy the last word, if it really brings you that much comfort.
Member #6066
05-05-20, 13:34
That's quite a response for someone who could "legitimately couldn't care less" LOL.
[=Shinshi86;4772395]Great, glad you're amused. If trolling, stirring up shit, and spam-creating user accounts gets you hard, knock yourself out. But the fact (not opinion, fact) of the matter is that you don't have anyone here on this forum that sympathizes or agrees with with you. No one (unless you count your multiple user accounts). And you might claim to not care, opting to flip the bird at everyone surrounding you. But you do have a funny way of proving you don't care by sticking around, helping this site by being a part of the traffic, and embodying the very bullshit which you rail against.
As for defending myself against your labels / insults which you flung on everyone, know in advance that I legitimately couldn't care less what you think of me. I'm not out to seek your approval or to prove that I'm not as you projected. And besides, being employed at a decent job, owning a house & vehicle, and / or being medically insured doesn't make one a better person. It's their character, integrity, self-respect, how they treat others, what they're like in private, who someone hangs out with, and so much more. That's the measure of a man, and you've fallen so far short of that basic standard that I'm embarrassed for you.
This is likely my final reply on the matter to you as I don't feel the urge to prove anything anymore than you feel likewise. You're the human embodiment of cancer, and nothing anyone here will ever sway you to change. My only hope is that you take a flying leap off a very high building one day. Enjoy the last word, if it really brings you that much comfort. [ / QUOTE].
BoobyHunter
06-12-20, 20:28
This black guy I know said ever since the protest, he's getting special sympathy treatment (Wink, wink) from K-Girls because black lives matter. Playing the sympathy card. LOL.Either you're talking out of your ass or he's lying to you. Kgirls will never give extras just because of protests. I highly doubt that HKers got special treatment because of the HK protests. If you knew the history between Koreans and blacks, and why a lot of kgirls and agencies won't see black guys, then you know this is BS.
So dumb when guys come on here talking like they know everything or just randomly say some BS. I can right now message 4 kgirls that have been here during the protests and ask them. GTFO here with that nonsense.
BoloBellgrande
06-13-20, 16:44
So dumb when guys come on here talking like they know everything or just randomly say some BS. I can right now message 4 kgirls that have been here during the protests and ask them. GTFO here with that nonsense.Now ain't that the pot calling out the kettle!
Either you're talking out of your ass or he's lying to you. Kgirls will never give extras just because of protests. I highly doubt that HKers got special treatment because of the HK protests. If you knew the history between Koreans and blacks, and why a lot of kgirls and agencies won't see black guys, then you know this is BS.
So dumb when guys come on here talking like they know everything or just randomly say some BS. I can right now message 4 kgirls that have been here during the protests and ask them. GTFO here with that nonsense.Yeah, he & I have a rather unpleasant history these last few months. First of all, there's multiple accounts on this forum which all start with "Rice. " As you probably can tell in my response to the other twat down below, I already distrust folks with multiple accounts here. Secondly, he's quite the ardent defender of K-girl agencies. Case in point, he took offense with me when I stated months ago that I was only aware of one payment scale at some random agency. When he corrected me, he made it seem like I had committed the gravest of sins or made some an unforgivable insult. Finally, he sent a PM recently in which he claimed that I had exaggerated my timeline of desiring to see one of AG's models (when in fact I've been in this hobby long before discovering this forum).
Bottom line: take everything he posts with fucking pound of salt. Rice33 (and his alleged multiple accounts / followers) is an unpleasant piece of shit with an overinflated ego and an insufferable, condescending manner about him.
Now ain't that the pot calling out the kettle!Wasn't sure if your many accoun--I mean, followers--would chime in or not. Who could've predicted this, haha?
BoobyHunter
06-14-20, 01:41
Now ain't that the pot calling out the kettle!Here he is, the Kgirl vigilante LMAO. Creeper.
Yeah, he & I have a rather unpleasant history these last few months. First of all, there's multiple accounts on this forum which all start with "Rice. " As you probably can tell in my response to the other twat down below, I already distrust folks with multiple accounts here. Secondly, he's quite the ardent defender of K-girl agencies. Case in point, he took offense with me when I stated months ago that I was only aware of one payment scale at some random agency. When he corrected me, he made it seem like I had committed the gravest of sins or made some an unforgivable insult. Finally, he sent a PM recently in which he claimed that I had exaggerated my timeline of desiring to see one of AG's models (when in fact I've been in this hobby long before discovering this forum).
Bottom line: take everything he posts with fucking pound of salt. Rice33 (and his alleged multiple accounts / followers) is an unpleasant piece of shit with an overinflated ego and an insufferable, condescending manner about him.Nah, at this point, with all the obvious alt accounts, I don't really take anyone's word when it comes to kgirls. Reviews are one thing, but once they start adding in all the extra crap, then it's just dumb. That one guy who claimed he dated like the top 10 kgirls suddenly disappeared and when I PM'd him about pooning in Korea, he could only give me general answers and he hasn't posted since. I wouldn't be surprised if he suddenly popped up since his alts accounts are clearly here right now.
I had actually gotten really close to a recent kgirl, so much so that she gave me her bank account info to help her with something, and I told her about some of these accounts and she and her roommate laughed when I showed them some of their posts. Kgirls all think TER's Kgirl section is one of the most ridiculous, stupidest things ever. Guys take them so fucking seriously, it's a joke.
BoobyHunter
06-15-20, 11:32
I told them to take a hike and encourage you all do the same. STOP GIVING UP PERSONAL INFO. Idk who they think she is or why would anyone would want to go out of their way to pull a "stunt". She isn't a famous Porn star. Why is ANYONE giving out I'd to an independent who left an agency that was already notorious for being shady with screening and not responding to people? On top of that she's charging 350 AN HOUR. With no HHR rates. GPS is through the roof. Fuck out of here.So you already knew that she was 350 and you've complained in the past how 300 was already too much, yet you contacted her anyways. Why would you even contact her in the first place if you already knew she was too high for you? Are you just purposefully trying to find reasons to slam them?
What a little *****.
BoloBellgrande
06-15-20, 14:32
I had actually gotten really close to a recent kgirl, so much so that she gave me her bank account info to help her with something, and I told her about some of these accounts and she and her roommate laughed when I showed them some of their posts. Kgirls all think TER's Kgirl section is one of the most ridiculous, stupidest things ever. Guys take them so fucking seriously, it's a joke.Hi dear Pot, nice to chat with you in this venue.
I don't talk about my friends on a monger board. But they don't ask me for money! Usually friendship and money doesn't mix well - "for loan oft loses both itself and friend"!
I merged all your users into this account.
A2
BoobyHunter
06-15-20, 16:22
Walter. So you just tried to flat out lie? Because we all know you didn't see her at AG because you haven't passed their screening.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3960-Escort-Reports&p=4754255&viewfull=1#post4754255.
And this isn't meant to be argumentative. But you really don't sound like the type of person she wants to seeSo I'm not the only one that is seeing Walter's BS, right? He's complained in the past that 300 was too high and then he contacts someone that is 350. I swear, Walter is actively trying to find ways to ***** and complain. He's like a kid that can't play with another kid's toy so he either hides it or breaks it so no one else can play with it. Dude needs to get a life.
BoobyHunter
06-15-20, 17:40
Hi dear Pot, nice to chat with you in this venue.
I don't talk about my friends on a monger board. But they don't ask me for money! Usually friendship and money doesn't mix well - "for loan oft loses both itself and friend"!Absolutely, they've never asked me for money. I don't remember the last time I actually bought a meal because they're always the one's buying for me It's always the suckers that get robbed $20 K at a time LMAO.
BoloBellgrande
06-15-20, 21:27
That was my bad. I assumed and misunderstood what you meant by providing help with a bank account number.
PreShowRitual
06-15-20, 22:12
Either you're talking out of your ass or he's lying to you. Kgirls will never give extras just because of protests. I highly doubt that HKers got special treatment because of the HK protests. If you knew the history between Koreans and blacks, and why a lot of kgirls and agencies won't see black guys, then you know this is BS.
So dumb when guys come on here talking like they know everything or just randomly say some BS. I can right now message 4 kgirls that have been here during the protests and ask them. GTFO here with that nonsenseHahaha, a protester discount? That's hilarious.
BoobyHunter
06-15-20, 23:23
I've never said 300 was "too much" nor did I go out of my way knowing that provider charges 350 to then "complain". Those allegations don't even make sense. I'm verified with Book-A-Latina and Elite, which are the same prices. I've only ever advocated that no one should be paying those prices for anything if it has to include giving up Personal info as well (drivers license credit card etc.).
I couldn't careless what you do. It's your life. Have fun when LEO catches up with ya.Yeah, you're so FOS right now that I question all your reviews right now. You literally said "On top of that she's charging 350 AN HOUR. With no HHR rates. GPS is through the roof. " How can you not know what she's charging when it's clearly pointed out on her website? You even complained about the 300 http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3960-Escort-Reports&p=4743454&viewfull=1#post4743454. And you told the booker that saw Josephine when she was at Asiangems even though you've inferred that you're not verified with Asiangems. So either you're lying to the booker to see her or you're lying to the board. Either way, you're so FOS and I highly doubt you're verified with Book-A-Latina and Elite as well.
I have no idea why guys like you lie on a poon board. Doesn't benefit anyone. Get a life.
BoloBellgrande
06-16-20, 10:42
Yeah, you're so FOS right now that I question all your reviews right now. You literally said "On top of that she's charging 350 AN HOUR. With no HHR rates. GPS is through the roof. " How can you not know what she's charging when it's clearly pointed out on her website? You even complained about the 300 http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3960-Escort-Reports&p=4743454&viewfull=1#post4743454. And you told the booker that saw Josephine when she was at Asiangems even though you've inferred that you're not verified with Asiangems. So either you're lying to the booker to see her or you're lying to the board. Either way, you're so FOS and I highly doubt you're verified with Book-A-Latina and Elite as well.
I have no idea why guys like you lie on a poon board. Doesn't benefit anyone. Get a life.We didn't have to infer anything from Walter. He flat out said he can't get approval.
Trust me, I am tracking him.
I'm a creep, but this is seriously creepy behavior. Reading this made my skin crawl.
I don't have a membership on SA so what I do is try to find these wannabe SB's on social media and reach out to them there. This one I found on Facebook and through a website where people list stuff for sale:
https://www.seeking.com/member/8306d787-6050-48ca-b295-1449805bcca3
Started off communication through Facebook and was cordial. She said absolutely no sexual activity just because her grandmother lives with her and doesn't want to risk COVID-19 LOL She gave me her Venomo I'd to send her $$ for whenever. She is a college student who claimed she lost her internship for the summer due to the pandemic. After a few exchanges, she wanted me to send her some money to continue talking. I offered to do a quick meet and greet because I told her I'm not into the just having a virtual arrangement type of deal and also to ease my mind that I know she won't ghost on me after sending her some $$. She ended up blocking me on Facebook LOL.
https://www.seeking.com/member/8306d787-6050-48ca-b295-1449805bcca3
I found another college student through social media Facebook who is on SA as well and seeing how things come about. She told me right now she can't leave her house for the summer due to COVID-19 but is still interested in a relationship. Ok, well let's see how this goes. LOL.
I have an Asian fetish so I'm just focused on the Asians at the moment.
Yeah, I'd avoid that one if you value your kidneys, haha! That "Seeking" section made for great light reading!Damn I love her. Its like a project.
Anyone ever try the otc extenze supplement that they sell at 7-eleven? What was your experience?
I'm a creep, but this is seriously creepy behavior. Reading this made my skin crawl.Umm yeah let me go give some random chick on a pay to play website some $$$ without ever seeing if she is bs-ing me or trying to catfish / ghost on me once she gets paid. But hey you can trust me, I can offer you beach front property in Arizona for a good price. Just pay me upfront and I'll send you the title in the mail LOL.
Miketastic69
06-19-20, 21:51
Anyone ever try the otc extenze supplement that they sell at 7-eleven? What was your experience?Here's a PSA and a warning to you: if you're able to have functional sex that is not aided by stimulants or sexual enhancement pills, drinks etc. It's best not to start until you truly need them. Over years of use your body desensitizes to the ingredients, rendering them useless or subject to failure at the most inopportune time. Especially if you have a full time significant other. That's who tends to get "shorted" when Stiff Knights and Black Rhino and many others, take your pick, fail.
Extenze May work if you're biologic makeup is receptive to its ingredients. Most people I have spoken to, and my libido doctor have all said any growth should not be attributed to Extenze. It's probably just some dumb luck. As far as extended lasting power, the effects are more prominent at first use and then falls off thereafter.
Viagra and Cialis works but they can be pricy. I used Roman until I got a good prescription and cheap VA Hospital solution but I am finding that after any food or drink, cialis and viagra are less effective. They also can wear off if you don't get busy while the ingredients are active in your system.
Cheap gas station pills. Stay away, especially if you're young. A guy in my physical therapy group experienced a ruptured artery in his penis, and he had to go through several surgeries to recover. His Johnson looks like a boomerang and it's grossly discolored. Yes, I looked.
No matter what you try, be careful. High blood pressure, obesity, diabetes, etc could be exacerbated by the stimulants in performance pills. Do you want to die just to bust a nut? You will cum and go at the same time!
You must be a blast at parties.
Umm yeah let me go give some random chick on a pay to play website some $$$ without ever seeing if she is bs-ing me or trying to catfish / ghost on me once she gets paid. But hey you can trust me, I can offer you beach front property in Arizona for a good price. Just pay me upfront and I'll send you the title in the mail LOL.
BookerTNelson
06-20-20, 08:48
I'm a creep, but this is seriously creepy behavior. Reading this made my skin crawl.If you aren't trying to find out a little bit about your potential SB's then you're asking for some blowback for these endeavors.
Yeah its called asking them, meeting them in public and getting to know them. While there is always some risk I feel pretty safe talking to girls who also have lot to lose if they themselves were found out. Scholarships, internships, jobs etc. The mutually assured destruction theory.
Never interacting with a woman and spending hours online uncovering their personal information to then contact them via means they have not invited you to contact them by is what incels and serial killers do.
If you aren't trying to find out a little bit about your potential SB's then you're asking for some blowback for these endeavors.
I'm a creep, but this is seriously creepy behavior. Reading this made my skin crawl.
You must be a blast at parties.I mean, did you seriously expect Serpico99 to just roll over and let you call him out without a clap back? That's not how life works, man. And besides, both he and BookerTNelson are 100% in the right. It is always beneficial for folks in this hobby to do their homework on potential SBs and providers. Doing so can help mitigate the risks and limit the potential bad times / disappointment to be had.
The ONLY instances where that wouldn't be okay is if they were digging up dirt on said SB / provider to blackmail, extort, or embarrass them in their personal life (I. E. - on social media). Also, it probably wouldn't be advisable shotgunning the info to the greater public here. Apart from those instances, they're just getting a feel for what the woman's comfortable with, what she actually looks like, where she's located, etc. Personally, I've yet to figure out a way to backtrace someone's pics to their social media and am always grateful that others here can do so. It helps knowing that the SA user claiming to be a petite 20-something is really an overweight whale in their late-40's.
I used to think the other men on SA were just a bunch of nobodies (like myself) but I recently saw a sugar baby I've been with a couple times out with a fairly well know TV news reporter. I wonder if he met her on SA? I know the girl was very active on SA and an absolute freak in bed. Thats the only time I've seen a SB out in public.
Yeah its called asking them, meeting them in public and getting to know them. While there is always some risk I feel pretty safe talking to girls who also have lot to lose if they themselves were found out. Scholarships, internships, jobs etc. The mutually assured destruction theory.
Never interacting with a woman and spending hours online uncovering their personal information to then contact them via means they have not invited you to contact them by is what incels and serial killers do.I was suspecting you were a chick with the "I'm a creep but this is really creepy" because a guy wasn't going to let two chicks rob him over the internet for a virtual relationship.
But referring to a guy who is finding OBVIOUS hookers on facebook (they are answering) and calling him a serial killer was all I needed.
As hard as you ladies try and pretend you are men you can't because the golden pussy always shows.
A2
Few days back I read someone's post about spotting a girl neat best buy in Fairlakes. Trying to search for it. If someones know please help.
RegularJoe1985
06-30-20, 22:10
Few days back I read someone's post about spotting a girl neat best buy in Fairlakes. Trying to search for it. If someones know please help.Said that she's in this area. Is that what led to her profile?
How many of you have been at a stoplight and seen a homeless girl and been like how the fk are you homeless? I would take you to a hotel, clean you up and fk you. Has anyone ever got car play from a homeless girl? This fake ad made me think of that.
https://northern-virginia.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/homelesshot-exyride-car-fuck-o/797328955074
Said that she's in this area. Is that what led to her profile?Not quite sure what or who you are referring to.
The fairoaks girl is diff.
The vice cop scammer is back on seeking. I just happen to see her profile so I thought I will alert.
RegularJoe1985
07-01-20, 11:44
Not quite sure what or who you are referring to.
The fairoaks girl is diff.
The vice cop scammer is back on seeking. I just happen to see her profile so I thought I will alert.Mentioned that she is in that area and I was curious since all these happened at the same time,
-her mention of this area,
-your post alerting about her and
-your post asking about a girl in this area.
Darn coincidence.
How many of you have been at a stoplight and seen a homeless girl and been like how the fk are you homeless? I would take you to a hotel, clean you up and fk you. Has anyone ever got car play from a homeless girl? This fake ad made me think of that.
https://northern-virginia.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/homelesshot-exyride-car-fuck-o/797328955074A few years ago I was in Cincinnati coming out of a store and this thin white girl around 21 or 22 years old sheepishly asks me for a handout. She wasn't hot like a $300 per hour working girl but she wasn't bad looking either. I froze in my tracks and spent about 3 or 4 seconds thinking and came really close to asking her if she wanted to spend the night at my hotel room and also offer her a really nice dinner at a restaurant before that. However I did feel like that was pretty scummy taking advantage of somebody in dire straits just to get a BJ and some pussy. So I gave her $10 and went on my way.
Still makes me wonder what answer she would've gave me. Might've been a Penthouse Letters kind of happy ending. "Yeah we can go back to your room. I hope we can fuck all night, too".
BookerTNelson
07-24-20, 11:15
Yeah its called asking them, meeting them in public and getting to know them. While there is always some risk I feel pretty safe talking to girls who also have lot to lose if they themselves were found out. Scholarships, internships, jobs etc. The mutually assured destruction theory.
Never interacting with a woman and spending hours online uncovering their personal information to then contact them via means they have not invited you to contact them by is what incels and serial killers do.You play the game your way. I'll play the game my way.
I'm not being "creepy", I'm simply confirming things they've told me but by all means. Do what you do and I'll continue to do things my way.
I recently changed my approach on Seeking to see what would happen. Previously, I'd message 3-4 different SBs a week--maybe more if I'm traveling for work or on vacation. If there's no response, I'd message new ones while trying again with the previous week's SBs after 10-14 days go by. The latter is dependent on when they're back online and if they've really caught my attention (and if there's still nothing, I cut my losses and move on). In the last couple weeks, I sent out 32 messages thinking that I'll get maybe a couple replies and probably one meet (it had been that kind of a losing streak). However of those 32, I received 16 responses with an additional 7 SBs who initiated the convo!
Needless to say, I was a bit overwhelmed to see so much activity! But as always, that number of potentials dropped off after subsequent follow-ups. It can be difficult to get a read on some of them: who likes / dislikes small talk; who prefers / loathes public meet-and-greets; who has FWB tagged despite not wanting such an arrangement; who's a scam despite a well-written profile; etc. For their convenience, I offered to meet them at any restaurant / cafe near their area and that they can pick the day & time as long as I know a few days in advance (working multiple jobs kinda limits my free time). Meeting in public doesn't only put their mind at ease, but also mine as it helps knowing if they look like their pics and what their expectations are. If they're afflicted with GPS or if I get stood up, at least I'll still have enjoyed great food and explored a new area outside of where I typically visit.This is exactly the same shit that guys used to write about BP chicks being stupid and unreliable.
Literally exactly the same shit, most of these chicks probably were on backpage. Do any of you guys actually know what sugar babies are? Not singling you out Shinshi all the "SD's" do it. You're trying to arrange a session with a prostitute. I understand that they are on a site called seeking arrangements but the arrangement you're trying to work out isn't exclusive, there will not be a monthly stipend, you're going to pay her when you fuck her and she's going to be fucking other guys who pay her when they fuck her.
They are hookers.
I will never understand this distinction you guys try to make.
A2.
This is exactly the same shit that guys used to write about BP chicks being stupid and unreliable.
Literally exactly the same shit, most of these chicks probably were on backpage. Do any of you guys actually know what sugar babies are? Not singling you out Shinshi all the "SD's" do it. You're trying to arrange a session with a prostitute. I understand that they are on a site called seeking arrangements but the arrangement you're trying to work out isn't exclusive, there will not be a monthly stipend, you're going to pay her when you fuck her and she's going to be fucking other guys who pay her when they fuck her.
They are hookers.
I will never understand this distinction you guys try to make.
A2.We're almost in 100% agreement, man. SBs are hookers, no arguments there. However, I do tend to treat SBs better and more willing to take them out wherever than I would a professional escort. For 400+, I can expect from a decent quality escort maybe an hour of fun? With roughly that same amount (to include hotel and meal), the SBs I've been with stay 3+ hours to overnight where we wouldn't get much sleep at all! You get more bang for your buck--pun intended--and I've never paid an amateur (which is what a SB is) the same as a professional escort. It goes back to my analogy in an earlier post about paying the same for rinkside tickets to watch a minor league hockey team and the New York Rangers. Who'd do that?
Ever since that first SB date months ago (late-February I think?) , I've only been back to pros maybe three times? And that was just because I got stood up by a SB or Tinder date earlier and didn't want to go home completely empty-handed. I'm under no illusions that I'm the only john that a SB is seeing. We're not dating, so I can't reasonably expect her to abide by exclusivity. Especially since I can't meet more than 2 x's / month due to work. Only two SBs claimed to only be seeing me. I kinda believe one of them is being truthful based on her general personality. But as I said to all who ask me: I don't mind one way or another.
So to kinda clear up the minute distinction: I treat amateurs--the SBs--better because the odds are in my favor of having a fantastic, less expensive time than with a professional escort. And if I get stood up by a SB, I will not have completely wasted my time and still gotten to eat great food and explored a new area (I'm a glass half-full guy, haha). That said, you're right them being hookers one way or another. Unless they offer it up for free, in which case I don't know what that'd make them (one of my regulars only wants Doordash, a hotel room, and that's it).
Madaboutmax
08-09-20, 12:25
This is exactly the same shit that guys used to write about BP chicks being stupid and unreliable.
Literally exactly the same shit, most of these chicks probably were on backpage. Do any of you guys actually know what sugar babies are? Not singling you out Shinshi all the "SD's" do it. You're trying to arrange a session with a prostitute. I understand that they are on a site called seeking arrangements but the arrangement you're trying to work out isn't exclusive, there will not be a monthly stipend, you're going to pay her when you fuck her and she's going to be fucking other guys who pay her when they fuck her.
They are hookers.
I will never understand this distinction you guys try to make.
A2.I respectfully disagree. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. There are escorts that act like SB's and SB's that act like escorts. They are both Sex Workers, but in general are on completely different ends of the spectrum. If you contact profiles on SA treating them like escorts, you will scare away the legitimate SBs and only get replies from the escorts. If you contact profiles treating them like SBs, you will scare away the escorts and only get replies from legitimate SBs.
Member #6313
08-10-20, 06:26
I respectfully disagree. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. There are escorts that act like SB's and SB's that act like escorts. They are both Sex Workers, but in general are on completely different ends of the spectrum. If you contact profiles on SA treating them like escorts, you will scare away the legitimate SBs and only get replies from the escorts. If you contact profiles treating them like SBs, you will scare away the escorts and only get replies from legitimate SBs.If you pay a woman for sex then their Hookers. Easy.
Spratty711
08-10-20, 07:55
This is exactly the same shit that guys used to write about BP chicks being stupid and unreliable.
Literally exactly the same shit, most of these chicks probably were on backpage. Do any of you guys actually know what sugar babies are? Not singling you out Shinshi all the "SD's" do it. You're trying to arrange a session with a prostitute. I understand that they are on a site called seeking arrangements but the arrangement you're trying to work out isn't exclusive, there will not be a monthly stipend, you're going to pay her when you fuck her and she's going to be fucking other guys who pay her when they fuck her.
They are hookers.
I will never understand this distinction you guys try to make.
A2.+1.
Without a shadow of doubt.
If you pay a woman for sex then their Hookers. Easy.What part of "they are both Sex Workers" is lost in translation? Madaboutmax and I agree that they are hookers! The whole point is you just can't treat the majority of them like a regular hooker. Does that mean you need to blow your savings, always take them out to eat, do shit outside the bedroom for every meet, introduce them to friends & family, and / or seriously think about marriage with these girls? Of course not! The majority of SBs are under the delusion that they aren't sex workers. Personally, I'm fine on my end with providing such a fantasy to them so long as my fantasy is fulfilled in return. I mean, isn't that how this hobby works?
If a SB wants to be wined-and-dined every so often, to confide about everyday life, to spend even more time hanging out with me by the pool or beach, or even wants to forgo pay altogether because the sexual chemistry is so great (as is the case with one of my regulars who I'm seeing tomorrow), who am I to say no? Not a single person here can possibly tell me with a straight face that they've had success on that site by telling a SB right off the bat "200 / hr, we'll bang. M'kay? " It typically doesn't work that way, not even if you're a Brad Pitt-lookalike, hung like Ron Jeremy, and driving a Ferrari. For SBs who blatantly act like hookers, you might get away with that approach since they're pretty straightforward like the BP bitches of old.
For the other 90+%, that's not what they're after. Sweet-talk and tip-toeing around certain subjects is often required for these amateurs. They want your money but wish to feel less bad about it while morally justifying their actions in order to obtain it. And if that's not your cup of tea, cool. It's not for everyone, and I get the allure of just utilizing professionals. For now, I'm having fun AND spending less money on the SB amateurs. Any that end up being bots / scams, or who pull some egregious shit like a cash-and-dash or lie, or I'm done seeing them period, I share about it in detail on these forums.
I'm not trying to stir shit up, honest. I've nothing against any of you and have thoroughly enjoyed this forum. It's been incredibly useful in providing hobby intel and the occasional, much needed laugh at times. I just don't get where this latest mix-up came from, especially since I'm usually clear & detailed in my posts. If it's how I handle SBs in general, then I don't know what to say to that. It's working for me--quite well, in fact.
Member #6313
08-10-20, 18:52
What part of "they are both Sex Workers" is lost in translation? Madaboutmax and I agree that they are hookers! The whole point is you just can't treat the majority of them like a regular hooker. Does that mean you need to blow your savings, always take them out to eat, do shit outside the bedroom for every meet, introduce them to friends & family, and / or seriously think about marriage with these girls? Of course not! The majority of SBs are under the delusion that they aren't sex workers. Personally, I'm fine on my end with providing such a fantasy to them so long as my fantasy is fulfilled in return. I mean, isn't that how this hobby works?
If a SB wants to be wined-and-dined every so often, to confide about everyday life, to spend even more time hanging out with me by the pool or beach, or even wants to forgo pay altogether because the sexual chemistry is so great (as is the case with one of my regulars who I'm seeing tomorrow), who am I to say no? Not a single person here can possibly tell me with a straight face that they've had success on that site by telling a SB right off the bat "200 / hr, we'll bang. M'kay? " It typically doesn't work that way, not even if you're a Brad Pitt-lookalike, hung like Ron Jeremy, and driving a Ferrari. For SBs who blatantly act like hookers, you might get away with that approach since they're pretty straightforward like the BP bitches of old.
For the other 90+%, that's not what they're after. Sweet-talk and tip-toeing around certain subjects is often required for these amateurs. They want your money but wish to feel less bad about it while morally justifying their actions in order to obtain it. And if that's not your cup of tea, cool. It's not for everyone, and I get the allure of just utilizing professionals. For now, I'm having fun AND spending less money on the SB amateurs. Any that end up being bots / scams, or who pull some egregious shit like a cash-and-dash or lie, or I'm done seeing them period, I share about it in detail on these forums.
I'm not trying to stir shit up, honest. I've nothing against any of you and have thoroughly enjoyed this forum. It's been incredibly useful in providing hobby intel and the occasional, much needed laugh at times. I just don't get where this latest mix-up came from, especially since I'm usually clear & detailed in my posts. If it's how I handle SBs in general, then I don't know what to say to that. It's working for me--quite well, in fact.I've been doing this for a LONG time. Met some nice women on SA. In the end, years later, I still keep in contact with some of them. If I ask if they would like to get together again when I'm in town the first thing they say is "How Much". They're after your money. Period. Hookers.
If you pay a woman for sex then their Hookers. Easy.How is that different from a wife? One difference is that you don't pay a hooker for sex, you pay her to go away afterwards.
Madaboutmax
08-11-20, 13:22
Many SBs don't like to feel like they are being paid for sex, but are okay with the idea of a rich boyfriend that helps them out financially. I agree it is semantics. I wouldn't help them if they weren't having sex with me. I'm not under any delusion, but many SBs may be. I'm okay with playing to their fantasy if I can convince a hot Hooters bartender to spend an entire weekend with me and jump my bones multiple times a day for the cost of 1 hour with a decent escort.
If you approach them like escorts, you will scare the true "amateur SBs" away and only get responses from seasoned escorts. If you treat them like an SB looking for a "Sugar Relationship", you will scare the escorts away and only get responses from SBs looking for a "Sugar Relationahip".
It's really not a hard concept.
If you pay a woman for sex then their Hookers. Easy.
Member #6313
08-11-20, 17:04
How is that different from a wife? One difference is that you don't pay a hooker for sex, you pay her to go away afterwards.I wish I could pay my wife to go away. Great line. I love it.
Member #6313
08-11-20, 17:06
Many SBs don't like to feel like they are being paid for sex, but are okay with the idea of a rich boyfriend that helps them out financially. I agree it is semantics. I wouldn't help them if they weren't having sex with me. I'm not under any delusion, but many SBs may be. I'm okay with playing to their fantasy if I can convince a hot Hooters bartender to spend an entire weekend with me and jump my bones multiple times a day for the cost of 1 hour with a decent escort.
If you approach them like escorts, you will scare the true "amateur SBs" away and only get responses from seasoned escorts. If you treat them like an SB looking for a "Sugar Relationship", you will scare the escorts away and only get responses from SBs looking for a "Sugar Relationahip".
It's really not a hard concept.You don't have to treat them as hookers. That's not the point. They still are. A2 is on point.
Do what works for you, but I agree with SloBlo you I get more with sugar and honey. I have gotten a lot of video content just by being nice, and a little extra $ helps. Most ladies love that I am a gentleman. I only treat them like the **** they are when it comes to play time. I also enjoy the game, and getting to know people, that why I switch to SBs.
You don't have to treat them as hookers. That's not the point. They still are. A2 is on point.
Madaboutmax
08-12-20, 08:20
I agree they are sex workers and get paid for having sex.
To me, hookers are professionals, know they are a hooker, quickly get down to business by defining a time place amount activities and length of visit. They treat it like a job that some may enjoy and some don't. They set boundaries to keep things professional and don't let emotional play a role. They have multiple partners, sometimes in the same day and must practice safe sex due to the number of sexual partners.
A true amateur SB doesn't want to admit to themselves that they are being paid for sex. They lie to themselves that they just have a rich boyfriend that treats them well. They like to be wined and dined and shown off. They treat a Sugar Relationahip much more like normal dating with boundaries and compensation. It a high risk high reward venture, but the rewards are significant. To have a true 9 out of 10 beautiful bartender spend an entire weekend with me at my home, maybe have 6 rounds of bareback sex for the price of a moderately priced escort can be had.
If your definition of a Hooker is a woman who accepts money for sex then yes they are Hookers. Most understand Hooker to be a more derogatory term and treat them as such.
You don't have to treat them as hookers. That's not the point. They still are. A2 is on point.
Member #6313
08-15-20, 17:07
About this, here are some things to consider:
1. Sometimes, these women are at the same hotels because they have a relationship with the front desk. I remember visiting a lady in Springfield years back and she told me that the lady at the front desk already knew she was there. In fact they'd go out and smoke 420 at the back of the building after work.
2. Easy access for late night guests. There's a hotel in Springfield that locks its doors to room key entry only in the front, but the back door is always open (no pun intended). Whenever I arrive in the late hours, I always know to park in the back so I can avoid the desk staff. Deep shadows back there too.
3. Owners / managers who need the money. Whenever I go to Dumfries, it's always the same slimy motel off Rte. 1. There's really no reason for anyone to stay there unless they're a trucker or looking to crash for the night, so the manager has to know much of his revenue is coming from providers. The idea here is that as long as you don't cause a scene, you won't be bothered.
4. Open motels, where you go directly to the door and don't have to walk past the front desk. These are also good because you can peep your surroundings before you get to the door.
5. It's just a guess, but some of these providers rent out 2+ weeks at a time for a discounted rate. Then they probably rotate the girls out, occasionally asking for a room change to keep from being tracked or stalked.
Actually, when I'd see a provider advertise out of a non-familiar hotel, I'm always a little more cautious, since brand new providers usually pick hotels with bad parking or are inconvenient for other reasons (Arlington, Rosslyn, Downtown DC).Good thoughts! I'm not worried about the Hotels as much as LEO and election year politicians. LEO can go on Listcrawler and see probably 20 or more women all advertising that they're in Springfield by the mall. They go to a Liberal Judge and get permission to setup stings and go after us or the women. I've seen it happen when I lived in Henrico county. LEO would contact the women and setup a date. Then ask the Hotel permission to go to the rooms to bust the women. A girl I was on my way to meet got busted that way. Luckily I was late. The Hotel actually gave LEO a key to all the rooms and they arrested all the women in the Motel that were working. Sounds illegal but the judges went along with it. They also went after the massage parlors. They sent in unmarried officers and after the HJ was done they would walk out and the police waiting outside would bust the place. In Henrico, the judges went along with it. Even if you fight it and get off, those of us who are married, are screwed. (no pun intended) That's what all the Defund Police and rioting is about. IMHO.
Even if you fight it and get off, those of us who are married, are screwed. (no pun intended) That's what all the Defund Police and rioting is about. IMHO.With respect, that's NOT why people are pissed at cops these days. I mean sure, people who get busted for soliciting won't think highly of cops--or enjoy their time around them. But there's a whole plethora of other (bigger) issues that people have with the profession lately. Though I won't dive into specifics right now as this really isn't the thread to discuss in length.
Bottom line: cops have always been on the lookout to bust providers & johns, that's nothing new. All you can do is keep your head on a swivel aaaaaaaannnnnnnd (https://youtu.be/uqo5RYOp4nQ).
Good thoughts! I'm not worried about the Hotels as much as LEO and election year politicians. LEO can go on Listcrawler and see probably 20 or more women all advertising that they're in Springfield by the mall. They go to a Liberal Judge and get permission to setup stings and go after us or the women. I've seen it happen when I lived in Henrico county. LEO would contact the women and setup a date. Then ask the Hotel permission to go to the rooms to bust the women. A girl I was on my way to meet got busted that way. Luckily I was late. The Hotel actually gave LEO a key to all the rooms and they arrested all the women in the Motel that were working. Sounds illegal but the judges went along with it. They also went after the massage parlors. They sent in unmarried officers and after the HJ was done they would walk out and the police waiting outside would bust the place. In Henrico, the judges went along with it. Even if you fight it and get off, those of us who are married, are screwed. (no pun intended) That's what all the Defund Police and rioting is about. IMHO.Use of the word liberal (or conservative) in a critical manner means it's got to be on the stupid shit thread. This post isn't so bad, not great either it wasn't the liberals that wrote, passed, and signed Fosta / Sesta, but it will kick off never ending commentary about the idiotic red / blue divide.
A2.
MadeYoulLook29
08-16-20, 13:45
Good thoughts! I'm not worried about the Hotels as much as LEO and election year politicians. LEO can go on Listcrawler and see probably 20 or more women all advertising that they're in Springfield by the mall. They go to a Liberal Judge and get permission to setup stings and go after us or the women. I've seen it happen when I lived in Henrico county. LEO would contact the women and setup a date. Then ask the Hotel permission to go to the rooms to bust the women. A girl I was on my way to meet got busted that way. Luckily I was late. The Hotel actually gave LEO a key to all the rooms and they arrested all the women in the Motel that were working. Sounds illegal but the judges went along with it. They also went after the massage parlors. They sent in unmarried officers and after the HJ was done they would walk out and the police waiting outside would bust the place. In Henrico, the judges went along with it. Even if you fight it and get off, those of us who are married, are screwed. (no pun intended) That's what all the Defund Police and rioting is about. IMHO."Liberal" judges would be more open to legalizing things such as weed and prostitution. It's conservatives that want to keep things the same. When you think extremely liberal think Germany where prostitution is legal and weed usage. Maybe since we are all fellow mongers we should vote liberal seeing how its in our best interest. Dodging LE is annoying as hell.
Bunker Buster
08-16-20, 18:30
"Liberal" judges would be more open to legalizing things such as weed and prostitution. It's conservatives that want to keep things the same. When you think extremely liberal think Germany where prostitution is legal and weed usage. Maybe since we are all fellow mongers we should vote liberal seeing how its in our best interest. Dodging LE is annoying as hell.The general liberal view is now that all prostitution is trafficking, and all women are victims.
MadeYoulLook29
08-16-20, 21:09
The general liberal view is now that all prostitution is trafficking, and all women are victims.Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris and others are all open to decriminalizing prostitution. Most of your far left are for decriminalization of things like this. It's your moderate Dems that try to meet Repulicans half way. Criminalization it has always been more of a Conservative talking point.
FloorHump422
08-16-20, 22:06
The general liberal view is now that all prostitution is trafficking, and all women are victims.I don't think that generalization is accurate as there as those that argue legalization and subsequent regulation would drastically decrease human trafficking. To say that, generally, conservatives are against legalization would be more accurate.
MadeYoulLook29
08-17-20, 07:52
The general liberal view is now that all prostitution is trafficking, and all women are victims.The redlight districts are in every city / town. Government sanctions mongering. You don't have to go looking for it. No wondering what's on the other side of the door (fat ugly chick or uncle LE) It's literally dancing in the windows for you to choose from. This is literally as LIBERAL as a country can get with this sort of thing. For some reason we've been conditioned to hate this.
Trolls crave attention and now that 12 of you gave it to him he will surely be back to plague us for quite some time.
I'm sorry the mod missed that one "so I ripped the tip during DATY' line but they look at a lot of posts and that's why there is a "Report Post" button. Also any fool know once the integrity of the condom is compromised it just rips the whole way and slides down your dick like a cock ring. There's no way the chick wouldn't have known, they can feel the latex as well.
So, next time, please give him or her the thing they crave so that they keep making new users and maybe even expand their trolling to other areas.
Well done all, thanks.
A2I confirmed with the girl he did this to. She said it was true. She said he was a young white male. She's very worried about her health now. She was actually mortified and went back home because of this incident. So all the hate he is getting is well deserved.
Member #6313
08-18-20, 17:06
Will you guys never learn to recognize trolls that make shit up to get you to react. He says he ripped the condom but then he's also worried about catching something?
Fucking ignore them and they go away, now since he got responses he's going to do it again.
Next time just report the post.
A2If we report the post do you block him? Just wondering. Or do we get a girl to set him up and we all meet him some where LOL.
Member #6313
08-18-20, 17:10
I confirmed with the girl he did this to. She said it was true. She said he was a young white male. She's very worried about her health now. She was actually mortified and went back home because of this incident. So all the hate he is getting is well deserved.Did she save his number or texts?
Did she save his number or texts?She's a crapshoot girl so her calls are handled by her handler. I'm sure her handler has it. But I'm sure he wasn't dumb enough to use his real phone number.
BoobyHunter
08-19-20, 01:05
From what I've seen, the support for sex workers is sort of spread out when it comes to the left, spreading from moderate to uber-liberal. There are those that are moderate liberals and who consider themselves feminists who believe that decriminalization or legalization for sex workers is the best option. Either way, their general tone seems to be that of general acceptance.
However, it seems like it's the uber-liberals, the type that loves to blame everything on everyone and how every bad thing is a result of either capitalism or straight white male hegemony, that believes that ALL sex workers are "victims. " Best example of this is when the deputy police chief of Seattle PD was addressing the Seattle City Council, which are socialist uber-liberal morons, and they couldn't believe that he said that women chose to be sex workers. One of their responses was that he was mansplaining prostitution, even though he's just quoting sex workers and speaking on what he's seen from talking with sex workers. Apparently, to uber-liberals, prostitution is a result of *gasp* capitalism and straight white male hegemony.
https://mynorthwest.com/1541126/seattle-council-prostitution-marc-garth-green/
Honestly, you'll even find moderate conservatives who will support decriminalization and / or legalization. Hell, alt-right pastors are constantly getting busted for fucking prostitutes so even they secretly would support it too.
I confirmed with the girl he did this to. She said it was true. She said he was a young white male. She's very worried about her health now. She was actually mortified and went back home because of this incident. So all the hate he is getting is well deserved.Chicks can feel immediately when a guy isn't wearing a condom. Like right away. If it was a deal he would have spoken of her struggling, he didn't, he characterized it as something he "got away with" until it was over. That's not how it works. So no, I still don't believe it actually happened. I still believe it was a bullshit story that was made up to get the sewing circles panties in a bunch.
However: Stealthing is considered sexual assault in Virginia, if it actually happened she has options.
If we report the post do you block him? Just wondering. Or do we get a girl to set him up and we all meet him some where LOL.Generally I remove the post, put a note on the account to review the posts closely in the future. We used to ban accounts but that doesn't really do anything because they just start a new one. What works is when they don't get a payoff for the behavior. Sometimes the mods miss things, we wish it didn't happen but it does, that's why there is a report post button. Just use it, I remove the post, he doesn't get any attention and he finds some political forum where the trolling is better. This is in no way me saying that stealthing is ok, the forum's position on it has been consistent for years. We are all about mutual consent and always have been. I'm not saying stealthing is ok, I'm saying the story was bullshit.
I'm moving all this follow up to the stupid shit thread.
Member #6313
08-19-20, 17:19
Chicks can feel immediately when a guy isn't wearing a condom. Like right away. If it was a deal he would have spoken of her struggling, he didn't, he characterized it as something he "got away with" until it was over. That's not how it works. So no, I still don't believe it actually happened. I still believe it was a bullshit story that was made up to get the sewing circles panties in a bunch.
However: Stealthing is considered sexual assault in Virginia, if it actually happened she has options.
Generally I remove the post, put a note on the account to review the posts closely in the future. We used to ban accounts but that doesn't really do anything because they just start a new one. What works is when they don't get a payoff for the behavior. Sometimes the mods miss things, we wish it didn't happen but it does, that's why there is a report post button. Just use it, I remove the post, he doesn't get any attention and he finds some political forum where the trolling is better. This is in no way me saying that stealthing is ok, the forum's position on it has been consistent for years. We are all about mutual consent and always have been. I'm not saying stealthing is ok, I'm saying the story was bullshit.
I'm moving all this follow up to the stupid shit thread.A2 is correct. I don't believe it happened either but I will add that 3 weeks ago I was doing Mish with a little Asian woman many of us know and the end of the condom ripped but nothing else. Neither of us felt anything until she felt my load shoot into her and she said "uh oh it broke" so I pulled out and she took it off and put her finger in the hole and said " you came inside me". She didn't seem concerned about it and offered me a shower as she changed the bedsheets. I left with a kiss on the cheek and saw her again the following week. I always bring my own so I don't have to squeeze into the cheap condoms many women buy. And yes, this needs to stay in the stupid shit thread.
A2 is correct. I don't believe it happened either but I will add that 3 weeks ago I was doing Mish with a little Asian woman many of us know and the end of the condom ripped but nothing else. Neither of us felt anything until she felt my load shoot into her and she said "uh oh it broke" so I pulled out and she took it off and put her finger in the hole and said " you came inside me". She didn't seem concerned about it and offered me a shower as she changed the bedsheets. I left with a kiss on the cheek and saw her again the following week. I always bring my own so I don't have to squeeze into the cheap condoms many women buy. And yes, this needs to stay in the stupid shit thread.I'm telling you guys I know the girl. She attested that this happened to her. I have her personal number and she talked to me about it. The conversation is mostly in Chinese but I'll gladly send you screenshots of our conversation. Not that you'll believe that either. Anywho she is back home and she hasn't texted me about it again and I don't want to keep bringing up how she got violated. She's an immigrant who does sex work, doesn't know the language and someone else manages her calls. This guy took advantage of her. Plain and simple. I made sure to confirm this was true before I got my panties in a bunch about it. It pisses me off because she's a nice girl and doesn't manage her visits. Poor girl thinks she's ok because she douched after he left. This is the last post I'll post about this.
PilotAviator
08-19-20, 22:55
Chicks can feel immediately when a guy isn't wearing a condom. Like right away. If it was a deal he would have spoken of her struggling, he didn't, he characterized it as something he "got away with" until it was over. That's not how it works. So no, I still don't believe it actually happened. I still believe it was a bullshit story that was made up to get the sewing circles panties in a bunch.
However: Stealthing is considered sexual assault in Virginia, if it actually happened she has options.
Generally I remove the post, put a note on the account to review the posts closely in the future. We used to ban accounts but that doesn't really do anything because they just start a new one. What works is when they don't get a payoff for the behavior. Sometimes the mods miss things, we wish it didn't happen but it does, that's why there is a report post button. Just use it, I remove the post, he doesn't get any attention and he finds some political forum where the trolling is better. This is in no way me saying that stealthing is ok, the forum's position on it has been consistent for years. We are all about mutual consent and always have been. I'm not saying stealthing is ok, I'm saying the story was bullshit.
I'm moving all this follow up to the stupid shit thread.Great response -- and moving to this thread was a smart administrative action. Thanks.
FloorHump422
08-20-20, 10:26
Chicks can feel immediately when a guy isn't wearing a condom. Like right away. If it was a deal he would have spoken of her struggling, he didn't, he characterized it as something he "got away with" until it was over. That's not how it works. So no, I still don't believe it actually happened. I still believe it was a bullshit story that was made up to get the sewing circles panties in a bunch.Similar thing to what happened to SlowBro happened to me. I feel like girls can tell with less certainty that the condom's broken if only the tip's broken and you still have some structural integrity.
Similar thing to what happened to SlowBro happened to me. I feel like girls can tell with less certainty that the condom's broken if only the tip's broken and you still have some structural integrity.If the "end" of the condo rips, it won't retain structural integrity and the rest will roll down like a damn cock ring, and ALL men know when condoms tear because it gets wetter and a lot warmer. Immediately.
Some ignore it and roll the dice, but the idea that a man wouldn't recognize the difference after a few strokes is far fetched.
TheOuroboros
09-02-20, 08:55
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bts/d/reston-free-massage-for-women/7187845856.html
Is this reverse mongering?
Might be the most affordable option LOL 😂.
PilotAviator
09-02-20, 09:43
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bts/d/reston-free-massage-for-women/7187845856.html
Is this reverse mongering?
Might be the most affordable option LOL 😂.It worked for me in college.
In this context pros are cheap.
They are both pros. Anybody who gets paid to work is a professional, SB's are hookers.
A2Haha, what? Do explain that logic here please? Because 400+ in the DMV typically buys one hour of a decent professional's time (maybe 1. 5 - 2 hrs if you're fortunate or they're on the cheap).
For 200-400, my regular rotation of SBs stick around for 4+ hours--sometimes overnight. Some are totally down with fun in the bedroom the entire time. Others prefer a meal before / after the deed, and then okay with multiple pops over the next several hours. We'll break the monotony every now & then by going to the beach, watching Netflix, or strolling through the city near their place (where some will host instead of requiring me to get a hotel every single visit). I mean dude, I did the math. Pretty certain the cost-fun ratio for me on Seeking heavily outweighs the cost / time around pros. We all stick with what's comfortable, profitable, and the most enjoyable.
And as the admin says, SBs are a type of hooker. They are indeed giving it up for money. I know I've said this before, but I'll repeat: if SBs don't want to think of themselves as hookers, I'm fine with fulfilling their fantasy so long as they fulfill mine.
Preach brother, no issue with pretending they aren't hookers when you're with them if it means they fuck you better, but some of these guys really believe they aren't hookers.
A2
BobDingle10
09-06-20, 02:29
Haha, what? Do explain that logic here please? Because 400+ in the DMV typically buys one hour of a decent professional's time (maybe 1. 5 - 2 hrs if you're fortunate or they're on the cheap).
For 200-400, my regular rotation of SBs stick around for 4+ hours--sometimes overnight. Some are totally down with fun in the bedroom the entire time. Others prefer a meal before / after the deed, and then okay with multiple pops over the next several hours. We'll break the monotony every now & then by going to the beach, watching Netflix, or strolling through the city near their place (where some will host instead of requiring me to get a hotel every single visit). I mean dude, I did the math. Pretty certain the cost-fun ratio for me on Seeking heavily outweighs the cost / time around pros. We all stick with what's comfortable, profitable, and the most enjoyable.
And as the admin says, SBs are a type of hooker. They are indeed giving it up for money. I know I've said this before, but I'll repeat: if SBs don't want to think of themselves as hookers, I'm fine with fulfilling their fantasy so long as they fulfill mine.
Preach brother, no issue with pretending they aren't hookers when you're with them if it means they fuck you better, but some of these guys really believe they aren't hookers.
A2Are SB's hookers or not- I'll try to keep this short.
Are they hooking? Yes. Are they hookers? Depends.
A hooker says you can do xyz to me for x amount of dollars. With a hooker, you show up with the right amount of dollars and you can do xyz to her, period. Only time a hooker is turning you away is if you are weird, have poor hygiene or give off cop vibes.
A SB, usually has and uses a bit or a lot more discernment. You have to at least send them a chatty message first, maybe go thru a meet and greet and then you score with the parameters being set by your prior discussions. They see what and who they are dealing with physically first and can judge their attraction/tolerance towards you. That use of discernment is the difference. And sure, since CL and BP got shut down, plenty of pros are playing the SB role to get business.
I just personally think there is a difference. Sure, punany is being exchanged for $. But the "customer service" aspect differs wildly. Like another poster said, the price of a pro gets you from 2-4 hours with a SB or more depending on chemistry. Ive had pros that were in my rotation for years and the arrangement stayed the same. With my best SBs I got discounts/freebies/extended time/extra goodies after dealing with them continually. Thats fewer and further in between with pros.
Sooooo. In the end, there's hooking and then there's being a hooker. Most of these SB's ain't holed up in a room for 12 hours a day fucking as many dudes as they can to make their nut and please a pimp. Maybe we need another name for them?
Hooker-lite?
Margerine Hoes?
Hoe Zero?
Organic Hoes?
I Cant Believe Its Pussy?
Low Calorie Pussy?
Just my two cents after a night of vodka and pussy. Be good bro's.
Member #6388
09-06-20, 06:32
She could be a rock star and make serious bank if she wasn't so hopped up on H, meth or a combo of the two.
Lucked out and caught her on a good day a few weeks back, little head ignored the risk of her being on the copper radar and everything was more than I expected. BBBJ followed with cg then doggy. We definitely connected and I told her she is a gem that I can't wait to see again.
Fast forward to four days ago. She is all skeezed out via texts and won't answer the phone. Finally fires back in all caps saying she doesn't see Trump supporters then goes on a mini tirade about whatever popped into her skull at that second.
WTF, I never bring up politics with bitches, it is a given really that they are all dems and probably share instagram pix of their latest abortion.
Cross that one off the list. Sigh. This area sux donkey balls for us pooners. Especially when the transvestites put the women to shame in the looks department.
Saving money for a week of fun in Thailand once covid travel restrictions are lifted.I've seen Ashton a few times, and I've never had much trouble. I'm an insomniac, so I'm up all night. She's usually free around 2-3 am, and I can see her then. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen signs of demons with her, and I'm not sure what makes you think she has any demons?
As for the dem and abortion thing, I don't think that's true at all. I'm sure others on the board can tell you about AJ and a few other providers that have been pregnant / are with kids. I don't think I know any provider that has had an abortion. Plus, I don't know if our hobby leaves us room to judge the actions of anyone else.
A lot of providers have preferences: some only see white, some see anything but AA, and I guess she sees anyone but Trump supporters. I think I'll have to see her again soon and ask her about politics.
Finally, I personally think she's one of the best looking providers for the amount.
Dimples572
09-06-20, 09:41
Are SB's hookers or not- I'll try to keep this short.
Are they hooking? Yes. Are they hookers? Depends.
A hooker says you can do xyz to me for x amount of dollars. With a hooker, you show up with the right amount of dollars and you can do xyz to her, period. Only time a hooker is turning you away is if you are weird, have poor hygiene or give off cop vibes.
A SB, usually has and uses a bit or a lot more discernment. You have to at least send them a chatty message first, maybe go thru a meet and greet and then you score with the parameters being set by your prior discussions. They see what and who they are dealing with physically first and can judge their attraction/tolerance towards you. That use of discernment is the difference. And sure, since CL and BP got shut down, plenty of pros are playing the SB role to get business.
I just personally think there is a difference. Sure, punany is being exchanged for $. But the "customer service" aspect differs wildly. Like another poster said, the price of a pro gets you from 2-4 hours with a SB or more depending on chemistry. Ive had pros that were in my rotation for years and the arrangement stayed the same. With my best SBs I got discounts/freebies/extended time/extra goodies after dealing with them continually. Thats fewer and further in between with pros.
Sooooo. In the end, there's hooking and then there's being a hooker. Most of these SB's ain't holed up in a room for 12 hours a day fucking as many dudes as they can to make their nut and please a pimp. Maybe we need another name for them?
Hooker-lite?
Margerine Hoes?
Hoe Zero?
Organic Hoes?
I Cant Believe Its Pussy?
Low Calorie Pussy?
Just my two cents after a night of vodka and pussy. Be good bro's.Sooo what you're saying is that they're hookers that we allow to discriminate. LOL.
Why do people care what they are called? Some people seem to think it's really important that the hot 23 year old college student that I can be seen in public with (because all she wants is a fancy dinner) is a called a hooker. I don't care about the point they are trying to make, but I enjoy the urgency.
Are SB's hookers or not- I'll try to keep this short.
Are they hooking? Yes. Are they hookers? Depends.
A hooker says you can do xyz to me for x amount of dollars. With a hooker, you show up with the right amount of dollars and you can do xyz to her, period. Only time a hooker is turning you away is if you are weird, have poor hygiene or give off cop vibes.
A SB, usually has and uses a bit or a lot more discernment. You have to at least send them a chatty message first, maybe go thru a meet and greet and then you score with the parameters being set by your prior discussions. They see what and who they are dealing with physically first and can judge their attraction/tolerance towards you. That use of discernment is the difference. And sure, since CL and BP got shut down, plenty of pros are playing the SB role to get business.
I just personally think there is a difference. Sure, punany is being exchanged for $. But the "customer service" aspect differs wildly. Like another poster said, the price of a pro gets you from 2-4 hours with a SB or more depending on chemistry. Ive had pros that were in my rotation for years and the arrangement stayed the same. With my best SBs I got discounts/freebies/extended time/extra goodies after dealing with them continually. Thats fewer and further in between with pros.
Sooooo. In the end, there's hooking and then there's being a hooker. Most of these SB's ain't holed up in a room for 12 hours a day fucking as many dudes as they can to make their nut and please a pimp. Maybe we need another name for them?
Hooker-lite?
Margerine Hoes?
Hoe Zero?
Organic Hoes?
I Cant Believe Its Pussy?
Low Calorie Pussy?
Just my two cents after a night of vodka and pussy. Be good bro's.
The logic is simple, I wouldn't get paid to fuck a pro, therefor any amount is too much. - and before anyone jumps on me about using the word pro, you clearly defined a "professional. " Want to also call every woman on SA a hooker, that's all fine, but apparently you do see a difference.
Haha, what? Do explain that logic here please? Because 400+ in the DMV typically buys one hour of a decent professional's time (maybe 1. 5 - 2 hrs if you're fortunate or they're on the cheap).
For 200-400, my regular rotation of SBs stick around for 4+ hours--sometimes overnight. Some are totally down with fun in the bedroom the entire time. Others prefer a meal before / after the deed, and then okay with multiple pops over the next several hours. We'll break the monotony every now & then by going to the beach, watching Netflix, or strolling through the city near their place (where some will host instead of requiring me to get a hotel every single visit). I mean dude, I did the math. Pretty certain the cost-fun ratio for me on Seeking heavily outweighs the cost / time around pros. We all stick with what's comfortable, profitable, and the most enjoyable.
And as the admin says, SBs are a type of hooker. They are indeed giving it up for money. I know I've said this before, but I'll repeat: if SBs don't want to think of themselves as hookers, I'm fine with fulfilling their fantasy so long as they fulfill mine.
Preach brother, no issue with pretending they aren't hookers when you're with them if it means they fuck you better, but some of these guys really believe they aren't hookers.
A2
The logic is simple, I wouldn't get paid to fuck a pro, therefor any amount is too much. - and before anyone jumps on me about using the word pro, you clearly defined a "professional. " Want to also call every woman on SA a hooker, that's all fine, but apparently you do see a difference.You're a hooker.
Are SB's hookers or not- I'll try to keep this short.
Are they hooking? Yes. Are they hookers? Depends.
A hooker says you can do xyz to me for x amount of dollars. With a hooker, you show up with the right amount of dollars and you can do xyz to her, period. Only time a hooker is turning you away is if you are weird, have poor hygiene or give off cop vibes.
A SB, usually has and uses a bit or a lot more discernment. You have to at least send them a chatty message first, maybe go thru a meet and greet and then you score with the parameters being set by your prior discussions. They see what and who they are dealing with physically first and can judge their attraction/tolerance towards you. That use of discernment is the difference. And sure, since CL and BP got shut down, plenty of pros are playing the SB role to get business.
I just personally think there is a difference. Sure, punany is being exchanged for $. But the "customer service" aspect differs wildly. Like another poster said, the price of a pro gets you from 2-4 hours with a SB or more depending on chemistry. Ive had pros that were in my rotation for years and the arrangement stayed the same. With my best SBs I got discounts/freebies/extended time/extra goodies after dealing with them continually. Thats fewer and further in between with pros.
Sooooo. In the end, there's hooking and then there's being a hooker. Most of these SB's ain't holed up in a room for 12 hours a day fucking as many dudes as they can to make their nut and please a pimp. Maybe we need another name for them?
Hooker-lite?
Margerine Hoes?
Hoe Zero?
Organic Hoes?
I Cant Believe Its Pussy?
Low Calorie Pussy?
Just my two cents after a night of vodka and pussy. Be good bro's.The argument you seem to be advancing is that a professional dispenses with the bullshit and fucks anybody who can pay the bill while an SB you have to work hard to earn the right to pay her to fuck you and she will fuck anybody who can earn the right to pay her to fuck her.
Virginia criminal code: § 18.2-346. Prostitution; commercial sexual conduct.
A. Any person who, for money or its equivalent, (I) commits any act in violation of § 18.2-361; performs cunnilingus, fellatio, or anilingus upon or by another person; engages in sexual intercourse or anal intercourse; touches the unclothed genitals or anus of another person with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify; or allows another to touch his unclothed genitals or anus with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify or (ii) offers to commit any act in violation of § 18.2-361; perform cunnilingus, fellatio, or anilingus upon or by another person; engage in sexual intercourse or anal intercourse; touch the unclothed genitals or anus of another person with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify; or allow another to touch his unclothed genitals or anus with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify and thereafter does any substantial act in furtherance thereof is guilty of prostitution, which is punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor.
If they don't fuck you unless they are getting compensated it's prostitution and they are prostitutes. I'm not trying to shame anybody, I fucking love hookers but give it a name. If some of you guys enjoy pretending that you're back in the "hunt" with a younger woman it's not my place to judge but you are not Huge Hefner, and you aren't seducing them. It's P4 P and SA is no different in concept than BP was nor has it ever been.
The argument you seem to be advancing is that a professional dispenses with the bullshit and fucks anybody who can pay the bill while an SB you have to work hard to earn the right to pay her to fuck you and she will fuck anybody who can earn the right to pay her to fuck her.
Virginia criminal code: 18.2-346. Prostitution; commercial sexual conduct.
A. Any person who, for money or its equivalent, (I) commits any act in violation of 18.2-361; performs cunnilingus, fellatio, or anilingus upon or by another person; engages in sexual intercourse or anal intercourse; touches the unclothed genitals or anus of another person with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify; or allows another to touch his unclothed genitals or anus with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify or (ii) offers to commit any act in violation of 18.2-361; perform cunnilingus, fellatio, or anilingus upon or by another person; engage in sexual intercourse or anal intercourse; touch the unclothed genitals or anus of another person with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify; or allow another to touch his unclothed genitals or anus with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify and thereafter does any substantial act in furtherance thereof is guilty of prostitution, which is punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor.
If they don't fuck you unless they are getting compensated it's prostitution and they are prostitutes. I'm not trying to shame anybody, I fucking love hookers but give it a name. If some of you guys enjoy pretending that you're back in the "hunt" with a younger woman it's not my place to judge but you are not Huge Hefner, and you aren't seducing them. It's P4 P and SA is no different in concept than BP was nor has it ever been.I think the this discussion is all about the saying 'fuck me for free and don't call me a *****'.
Sooooo. In the end, there's hooking and then there's being a hooker. Most of these SB's ain't holed up in a room for 12 hours a day fucking as many dudes as they can to make their nut and please a pimp. Maybe we need another name for them?
Hooker-lite?
Margerine Hoes?
Hoe Zero?
Organic Hoes?
I Cant Believe Its Pussy?
Low Calorie Pussy?
Just my two cents after a night of vodka and pussy. Be good bro's.Just about fell out of my chair laughing at these suggestions, haha! My vote is for "I-Can't-Believe-It's-Pussy!
Why do people care what they are called? Some people seem to think it's really important that the hot 23 year old college student that I can be seen in public with (because all she wants is a fancy dinner) is a called a hooker. I don't care about the point they are trying to make, but I enjoy the urgency.
The logic is simple, I wouldn't get paid to fuck a pro, therefor any amount is too much. - and before anyone jumps on me about using the word pro, you clearly defined a "professional. " Want to also call every woman on SA a hooker, that's all fine, but apparently you do see a difference.Not saying you're a "white knight" or anything, but there's plenty of folks who fit that description. Some care very much & take offense over anyone calling their SB a hooker. On top of that, some are so set in their ways and refuse to be convinced over the interwebz--much like it is on chaotic YouTube comment sections. But they're kidding themselves if they believe SBs aren't hookers. Women on Seeking don't want to meet / hang out with you just for your charming personality. They're not freely giving up their time & company just because you look like Brad Pitt or are some god in the bedroom. And they're sure as shit not after love. They're after money, plain and simple.
I think you misunderstood one of my earlier posts: SBs are supposed to be amateurs, not pros. Basically, Seeking Arrangements caters to women who are NOT professional providers. It even says so at the login screen about how the site isn't for them. Does that mean everyone abides by the rules and that there's no pros whatsoever? No, of course not. But the argument I made still stands. SBs on that site don't get to charge pro prices. They're amateurs. They're "hooking" part-time and selectively, if you will. And that's partly why I said that my cost-fun ratio in the sugaring scene heavily outweighs my money & time spent around pros (agencies, crapshoots, AMPs, independents, etc). So don't further feed into the GPS which has run rampant in this region. You're not the only john in their lives and you won't be able to "save them. ".
In the end, believe whatever you like. It's a free country and the world wide web. You do you. Just don't put these girls up on a pedestal and think of them in some higher station in life compared to the rest. I'm sorry, but that's factually delusional.
They're amateurs. They're "hooking" part-time and selectively.That literally is what makes them Pros.
That literally is what makes them Pros.Meh, I dunno about that. Seeking caters to amateurs, not pros. The site might not say it in so many words, but that's what they're marketing is slanted towards. Their members aren't supposed to be professional escorts who have their own website, associated with an escort agency, or charge by the hour. Now I totally get that some pros are still on Seeking, no question about it. They're all still hookers, and I'm certain there's some BP bitches lurking. I'm just saying that they're technically supposed to be amateurs. Them being members of the site makes them so (again, see my example of minor league sports team versus professional sports team).
So whenever SBs ask with a straight face for the same rates as a pro, it's downright laughable! To demand 300-400+ for an hour of their time (worse if even that is exclusively for just the meet-and-greet)? That's not something ANYONE of you should be falling for! And if anyone here does--you're part of the fucking problem as to why hobbying in this region is so goddamn pricey. So don't do it. Shit like that is what makes everyone lose, but especially the person who's will fully getting suckered.
RegularJoe1985
09-09-20, 06:39
The argument you seem to be advancing is that a professional dispenses with the bullshit and fucks anybody who can pay the bill while an SB you have to work hard to earn the right to pay her to fuck you and she will fuck anybody who can earn the right to pay her to fuck her.
Virginia criminal code: 18.2-346. Prostitution; commercial sexual conduct.
A. Any person who, for money or its equivalent, (I) commits any act in violation of 18.2-361; performs cunnilingus, fellatio, or anilingus upon or by another person; engages in sexual intercourse or anal intercourse; touches the unclothed genitals or anus of another person with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify; or allows another to touch his unclothed genitals or anus with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify or (ii) offers to commit any act in violation of 18.2-361; perform cunnilingus, fellatio, or anilingus upon or by another person; engage in sexual intercourse or anal intercourse; touch the unclothed genitals or anus of another person with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify; or allow another to touch his unclothed genitals or anus with the intent to sexually arouse or gratify and thereafter does any substantial act in furtherance thereof is guilty of prostitution, which is punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor.
If they don't fuck you unless they are getting compensated it's prostitution and they are prostitutes. I'm not trying to shame anybody, I fucking love hookers but give it a name. If some of you guys enjoy pretending that you're back in the "hunt" with a younger woman it's not my place to judge but you are not Huge Hefner, and you aren't seducing them. It's P4 P and SA is no different in concept than BP was nor has it ever been.There are plenty of supposedly GFs and even spouses who'd fit the above.:p
John HandCock
09-09-20, 09:10
Meh, I dunno about that. Seeking caters to amateurs, not pros. The site might not say it in so many words, but that's what they're marketing is slanted towards. Their members aren't supposed to be professional escorts who have their own website, associated with an escort agency, or charge by the hour. Now I totally get that some pros are still on Seeking, no question about it. They're all still hookers, and I'm certain there's some BP bitches lurking. I'm just saying that they're technically supposed to be amateurs. Them being members of the site makes them so (again, see my example of minor league sports team versus professional sports team).
So whenever SBs ask with a straight face for the same rates as a pro, it's downright laughable! To demand 300-400+ for an hour of their time (worse if even that is exclusively for just the meet-and-greet)? That's not something ANYONE of you should be falling for! And if anyone here does--you're part of the fucking problem as to why hobbying in this region is so goddamn pricey. So don't do it. Shit like that is what makes everyone lose, but especially the person who's will fully getting suckered.Yeah SB's are supposed to be different but as usual mongers fuck that up. A good clean, no demon, pimpless girl should be worth much more than your pros. A lot of these girls first contact from a so called SD is " how much for a BJ' or something similar LOL. Treat girls like hookers and pretty soon they are going to act like one, charging by the hour, up selling for different things like anal. Again you can thank mongers for that. Years ago that never happened but hey girls learn over time and most know the score going in as to friends experience and their own forums giving advice. Guys with money will spend it, fact of life. Guys that don't have it or refuse to spend it there is always the bargain basement SB's that mongers created.
Anyone here work a job that requires a security clearance? I was wondering if I should tell the truth or not?
Anyone here work a job that requires a security clearance? I was wondering if I should tell the truth or not?If you work in this area, the chances are pretty high you might need one. This is why I would avoid providers who ask for employment information for verification.
If you work in this area, the chances are pretty high you might need one. This is why I would avoid providers who ask for employment information for verification.I thought OP was asking if he should tell the polygrapher that he sees escorts.
Either way, I LOL.
I thought OP was asking if he should tell the polygrapher that he sees escorts.
Either way, I LOL.That's a question nobody is ever asked by a polygrapher. Seeing hookers isn't a security issue unless it involves a close and continuing relationship with a foreign national. If it were I would have lost my clearance decades ago (or never would have been granted one)! Even a life style polygraph avoids questions about sexual activity unless it involves a compromising relationship. Paying for pussy isn't grounds for denying a security clearance, even at the top secret SCI level!
I thought OP was asking if he should tell the polygrapher that he sees escorts.
Either way, I LOL.Depends on the type of polygraph. I've heard of lifestyle ones and counter-intelligence ones. Counter seems more common.
I've admitted to speeding and got a lecture on that. Bootlegging video tapes, polygrapher didn't care. As long you're not giving out secrets to other countries or plotting to destroy the United States, I think you would be ok haha.
That's a question nobody is ever asked by a polygrapher. Seeing hookers isn't a security issue unless it involves a close and continuing relationship with a foreign national. If it were I would have lost my clearance decades ago (or never would have been granted one)! Even a life style polygraph avoids questions about sexual activity unless it involves a compromising relationship. Paying for pussy isn't grounds for denying a security clearance, even at the top secret SCI level!I have been asked on more than one polygraph. Specifically the question has been "Have you ever paid for sex" My standard answer has been "we all pay for it some way or other" which prompts the polygrapher to say something like "please answer yes or no" and I say, in that case yes.
Depends on the type of polygraph. I've heard of lifestyle ones and counter-intelligence ones. Counter seems more common.
I've admitted to speeding and got a lecture on that. Bootlegging video tapes, polygrapher didn't care. As long you're not giving out secrets to other countries or plotting to destroy the United States, I think you would be ok haha.They busted your balls for speeding? That's dumb on the polygrapher's part--though admittedly not as dumb as the guy I had administering my test a few years ago. Some of them really aren't on the same page and mildly worry me regarding how they got their clearance in the first place.
My 1st test was unremarkable, but the 2nd one still brings a smile to my face. After getting all hooked up & told to get comfortable (like you can with that shit tightly wrapped around your chest), one of the first questions after asking my name and to say some random lie was if I had any contact with Osama bin Laden. I gave him a blank look and replied that the dude's been dead for some time. "Sir, just answer the question. " *sigh* No, I have not. Have I ever done drugs like marijuana? After replying no, he then proceeded to ask that same question throughout the interview 6-7 x's. I've never smoked pot at any point in my life, yet he seemed especially fixated on this and either A) Didn't believe me, or B) Thought that was fascinating for some reason. About halfway through, he got a little testy when I replied in the affirmative that I had pirated music and tv shows. "Well, don't you think you should not break the law?" Never gave it much thought. I like free shit..
By that point, I knew he was going to fail me so I stopped caring about my answers, knowing I'd have to take the test again at a later date. Towards the end, he did indeed ask if I had ever engaged in illegal sexual acts. I forget how he worded it, but it was very clear he was making shit up and not going off his script. I replied that all my sexual partners were of age. "That's not what I asked, sir!" Well respectfully, that question was worded pretty dumb. He then terminated the test after roughly 45+ minutes. About a month later--and after passing the test with a different polygraphed, I heard from others that that guy either quit or left shortly after our incident. Not sure what happened, but I'm assuming I wasn't the first person he had been giving an unnecessarily hard time.
They busted your balls for speeding? That's dumb on the polygrapher's part--though admittedly not as dumb as the guy I had administering my test a few years ago. Some of them really aren't on the same page and mildly worry me regarding how they got their clearance in the first place.
My 1st test was unremarkable, but the 2nd one still brings a smile to my face. After getting all hooked up & told to get comfortable (like you can with that shit tightly wrapped around your chest), one of the first questions after asking my name and to say some random lie was if I had any contact with Osama bin Laden. I gave him a blank look and replied that the dude's been dead for some time. "Sir, just answer the question. " *sigh* No, I have not. Have I ever done drugs like marijuana? After replying no, he then proceeded to ask that same question throughout the interview 6-7 x's. I've never smoked pot at any point in my life, yet he seemed especially fixated on this and either A) Didn't believe me, or B) Thought that was fascinating for some reason. About halfway through, he got a little testy when I replied in the affirmative that I had pirated music and tv shows. "Well, don't you think you should not break the law?" Never gave it much thought. I like free shit..
By that point, I knew he was going to fail me so I stopped caring about my answers, knowing I'd have to take the test again at a later date. Towards the end, he did indeed ask if I had ever engaged in illegal sexual acts. I forget how he worded it, but it was very clear he was making shit up and not going off his script. I replied that all my sexual partners were of age. "That's not what I asked, sir!" Well respectfully, that question was worded pretty dumb. He then terminated the test after roughly 45+ minutes. About a month later--and after passing the test with a different polygraphed, I heard from others that that guy either quit or left shortly after our incident. Not sure what happened, but I'm assuming I wasn't the first person he had been giving an unnecessarily hard time.I think it's part of the polygrapher's job to give no indication whatsoever either way. My first polygrapher gave me a hard time, told other people I "failed" and "confessed" to a bunch of things haha. Nothing really happened with my second polygrapher when I was up for renewal for my TS / SCI. I think I got a similar question about illegal sex acts, but I remembered that most of my hobbling has been in Canada and in London, where seeing escorts is not illegal. Went to Sydney that year and hit up an Asian brothel and a brothel of Australian girls. Ginza and Liaisons. Very legal in Australia, not so legal back here. But, that's how I got around that question. That's a weird control question you got. But that's how the polygraph works. It assumes that you have physical reactions with telling an obvious falsehood (or being out on the spot with yes / no questions). If you have not sense of guilt or discomfort from telling outright lies, not sure if the polygraph is going to do anything.
That's a question nobody is ever asked by a polygrapher. Seeing hookers isn't a security issue unless it involves a close and continuing relationship with a foreign national. If it were I would have lost my clearance decades ago (or never would have been granted one)! Even a life style polygraph avoids questions about sexual activity unless it involves a compromising relationship. Paying for pussy isn't grounds for denying a security clearance, even at the top secret SCI level!I guess you got to be careful about some of those smoking hot Russian escorts. In addition to the higher base prices, there's an up charge for any extra like à la carte at Morton's, they might get you to hand over other things haha. A k-girl I saw for BBFS in LA complained about North Koreans flooding the k-girl method. Driving prices down while using a factory fucking approach. High volume over any GFE type of service. I told her I can't tell the difference, but she said she could. Height, since North Koreans aren't as tall as typical South Korean born girls because of poorer nutrition. So, it's possible that one of k-girls could be a North Korean agent. But, a lot of us in the area, shouldn't mention our work lives anyways outside of a work environment.
Anyone here work a job that requires a security clearance? I was wondering if I should tell the truth or not?You will not make it through the process successfully if you admit to hooking up with escorts recently and convey a desire to continue. They are generally looking for information that can be used to blackmail you, and an escort that could possibly know your identity is often in a position to blackmail you to give up whatever they seek.
They busted your balls for speeding? That's dumb on the polygrapher's partTotally common to be asked about that, actually. Everything else you were asked is also run of the mill.
You will not make it through the process successfully if you admit to hooking up with escorts recently and convey a desire to continue. They are generally looking for information that can be used to blackmail you, and an escort that could possibly know your identity is often in a position to blackmail you to give up whatever they seek.
Totally common to be asked about that, actually. Everything else you were asked is also run of the mill.
I think it's part of the polygrapher's job to give no indication whatsoever either way. That's a weird control question you got. But that's how the polygraph works. It assumes that you have physical reactions with telling an obvious falsehood (or being out on the spot with yes / no questions). If you have not sense of guilt or discomfort from telling outright lies, not sure if the polygraph is going to do anything.Thankfully, no polygrapher has asked questions of me like that one dude since. At the time, my clearance wasn't due to expire for another couple months. So I ended up re-taking it shortly thereafter and had no issues with the next guy.
Really not sure what that one polygrapher's problem was, but it was nuts. From the second I walked through the door, I just had a bad feeling about him. Not to be demeaning towards anyone who fits this description, but his appearance & demeanor were all wrong. If Edward Snowden and a cop had a child, he would be the living embodiment of that union: thick glasses, hiked-up pants, notepad & pen close at hand, and a standoff-ish, haughty, sure-of-himself demeanor. Basically the type who truly believes they're god's gift to man. I pride myself on being able to get along well with difficult folks and offering little reason for a confrontation. That's just who I am. And even when he asked that ridiculous Osama question early on, I tried playing it off as a joke. But he was having none of it and immediately determined to make that test as awkward as possible.
Everyone approaches their job differently than others. It's like this hobby: some providers are really into it while others go through the motions, believing they're deserving of high-end escort rates while simultaneously giving the bare minimum of effort in return. I feel like that was the case for this guy. He might've been good on paper for hiring and was seemingly good at asking the tough questions, determining who was deserving of a TS // SCI clearance. But the fact of the matter is you can't be a complete dick to anyone & everyone while expecting to continue in your chosen career field without repercussions. And if the goal was to get a rise out of me, well it didn't really work. I still passed my poly and he ended up quitting / getting axed. So fuck him.
To further draw parallels to this hobby: a provider shouldn't be offended if they get consistently shitty reviews. If the majority are saying you suck at your job, change your ways or fucking quit. It's not hard (pun intended). I truly don't get why people get mad or who feel the world is out to get them. Everyone can't be wrong. That guy is like some BP hoe who doesn't offer GFE, puts out the bare minimum effort, has a laundry list of limitations, and formerly charging 60 for SS but who then suddenly discovers Seeking Arrangements or Tryst. All of the sudden, they think they're worth 300+ per hour! And the sad part is--like regular legitimate businesses--people will still desire their services. In the end, I guess that's what these forums are for: to weed out the bad apples and get the most bang for our buck (another pun intended).
Thankfully, no polygrapher has asked questions of me like that one dude since. At the time, my clearance wasn't due to expire for another couple months. So I ended up re-taking it shortly thereafter and had no issues with the next guy.
Really not sure what that one polygrapher's problem was, but it was nuts. From the second I walked through the door, I just had a bad feeling about him. Not to be demeaning towards anyone who fits this description, but his appearance & demeanor were all wrong. If Edward Snowden and a cop had a child, he would be the living embodiment of that union: thick glasses, hiked-up pants, notepad & pen close at hand, and a standoff-ish, haughty, sure-of-himself demeanor. Basically the type who truly believes they're god's gift to man. I pride myself on being able to get along well with difficult folks and offering little reason for a confrontation. That's just who I am. And even when he asked that ridiculous Osama question early on, I tried playing it off as a joke. But he was having none of it and immediately determined to make that test as awkward as possible.
Everyone approaches their job differently than others. It's like this hobby: some providers are really into it while others go through the motions, believing they're deserving of high-end escort rates while simultaneously giving the bare minimum of effort in return. I feel like that was the case for this guy. He might've been good on paper for hiring and was seemingly good at asking the tough questions, determining who was deserving of a TS // SCI clearance. But the fact of the matter is you can't be a complete dick to anyone & everyone while expecting to continue in your chosen career field without repercussions. And if the goal was to get a rise out of me, well it didn't really work. I still passed my poly and he ended up quitting / getting axed. So fuck him.
To further draw parallels to this hobby: a provider shouldn't be offended if they get consistently shitty reviews. If the majority are saying you suck at your job, change your ways or fucking quit. It's not hard (pun intended). I truly don't get why people get mad or who feel the world is out to get them. Everyone can't be wrong. That guy is like some BP hoe who doesn't offer GFE, puts out the bare minimum effort, has a laundry list of limitations, and formerly charging 60 for SS but who then suddenly discovers Seeking Arrangements or Tryst. All of the sudden, they think they're worth 300+ per hour! And the sad part is--like regular legitimate businesses--people will still desire their services. In the end, I guess that's what these forums are for: to weed out the bad apples and get the most bang for our buck (another pun intended).Yea, I explained it to one girl I saw in Toronto, Victoria Styles. Beautiful girl, former bodybuilder. She didn't like reviews put up about her on the local board, TERB. It's like trip advisor haha. Nobody wants to go in and spend their money on a dud. Took a risk on her and was worth it. But, sometimes you just have to take a risk on someone that you can't find any reviews for anywhere. Glad I took a risk on Samantha. On another note, my appointment with Paulina From Elite got cancelled today. Kept getting my appointment time moved back and now she's out of time until October because of some emergency: I haven't tried a Latin girl in a while since Natsumi from Touring Girls last year. K-girls have been keeping me busy.
You will not make it through the process successfully if you admit to hooking up with escorts recently and convey a desire to continue. They are generally looking for information that can be used to blackmail you, and an escort that could possibly know your identity is often in a position to blackmail you to give up whatever they seek.
Totally common to be asked about that, actually. Everything else you were asked is also run of the millSounds like I should stop this hobby and tell the truth during my clearance check.
Sounds like I should stop this hobby and tell the truth during my clearance check.You can't just stop yesterday and then say that you're a changed man. That won't work. If you are going to tell the truth, you will need to abstain and wait a few years and then try for it (and even then there is no guarantee). If you are going to lie and aren't initially caught, then you will have to live in fear that they will somehow one day find out, revoke it, cause you to lose your job, and blacklist you from all jobs that have this requirement. If you are arrested for solicitation, the same things will happen.
IMO, this hobby and jobs of this nature do not mix. The whole point of this requirement is to find people who are trustworthy to the end and do not put themselves in compromising situations that threaten the country by breaking the law or making unwise decisions. How do you know the Russian hooker you're with isn't actually a spy for the Kremlin and is recording video of you to get you to cough up information or get you to do things on their behalf? What if a hacker links your online accounts to your real life persona and then uses it to blackmail you to get information?
There is plenty of information about people being in the same situation as you online. Just Google it.
RegularJoe1985
11-08-20, 19:58
Just got email from JM that someone tried to schedule without giving the proper background and then threatened the booker with a bad review. Almost 99% sure that person is on this board. If you don't want to hand over the necessary info, move on but don't be a dick. There was a previous poster who mentioned that the girls are tired of the rude, disgusting, and over expected clients. On one hand, thank you for being a disgusting pig because it gives people like myself an even better experience. I know that some info may be invasive but if it's not for you then continue browsing the riskier pages and expect random level service back. You make us all look bad whether it's those threats that don't get you anywhere or you expect BBBJ and your junk smells like a dead raccoon in the middle of the summer. Sheesh.You have only one side of the story so I think it's better to raise this once we have stories from both sides. Why you ask? Because these agencies are not paragons of virtue either. The number of posts that describe negative experiences about these agencies are too long. And JM has been known to have a serious issue with their credibility. Not saying that the monger is not to blame here, just that we have no way of knowing. JM can spin this however they want.
Further, there is no law that says mongers have to abide by certain rules. It's advisable. In the same manner that agencies and girls should abide by certain rules. And these rules are broken by both sides all the time. So, I wouldn't be so quick to put all the blame on the monger here.
I do agree with you that people who treat girls nicely have a better chance of getting a good experience, but.
Just got email from JM that someone tried to schedule without giving the proper background and then threatened the booker with a bad review. Almost 99% sure that person is on this board. If you don't want to hand over the necessary info, move on but don't be a dick. There was a previous poster who mentioned that the girls are tired of the rude, disgusting, and over expected clients. On one hand, thank you for being a disgusting pig because it gives people like myself an even better experience. I know that some info may be invasive but if it's not for you then continue browsing the riskier pages and expect random level service back. You make us all look bad whether it's those threats that don't get you anywhere or you expect BBBJ and your junk smells like a dead raccoon in the middle of the summer. Sheesh.Why would you think that it was someone from here as opposed to TER or Switter?
NovaThings
11-09-20, 16:06
Why would you think that it was someone from here as opposed to TER or Switter?Normally people who access the other sites reference this one as well in this area. TER is a decent reference, I completely avoid switter because it's a GPS site, and I cross reference here because I feel as though these are the most honest reviews from actual hobbyist. The email read too much as some of the posters complaining why they don't get GFE when their donation level is backpage level. I'm the first to admit that there's a lot of GPS right now but I'm seasoned enough to gauge what is fair and / or reasonable in both level of service AND information I'm willing to provide.
You have only one side of the story so I think it's better to raise this once we have stories from both sides. Why you ask? Because these agencies are not paragons of virtue either. The number of posts that describe negative experiences about these agencies are too long. And JM has been known to have a serious issue with their credibility. Not saying that the monger is not to blame here, just that we have no way of knowing. JM can spin this however they want.
Further, there is no law that says mongers have to abide by certain rules. It's advisable. In the same manner that agencies and girls should abide by certain rules. And these rules are broken by both sides all the time. So, I wouldn't be so quick to put all the blame on the monger here.
I do agree with you that people who treat girls nicely have a better chance of getting a good experience, butGiven the reputation of JM, I would not trust a single word from them. I had one of my worst visit in my life in JM. Certainly, there are many rude customers but at the same time it cannot be denied that many agencies just want to rip off customers.
NovaThings
11-09-20, 16:13
You have only one side of the story so I think it's better to raise this once we have stories from both sides. Why you ask? Because these agencies are not paragons of virtue either. The number of posts that describe negative experiences about these agencies are too long. And JM has been known to have a serious issue with their credibility. Not saying that the monger is not to blame here, just that we have no way of knowing. JM can spin this however they want.
Further, there is no law that says mongers have to abide by certain rules. It's advisable. In the same manner that agencies and girls should abide by certain rules. And these rules are broken by both sides all the time. So, I wouldn't be so quick to put all the blame on the monger here.
I do agree with you that people who treat girls nicely have a better chance of getting a good experience, but.Although some times the pics and experience vary from this agency, the booker has always been professional and prompt about my questions. The booker must've been pretty pissed off to send a group email to call that person out because it sounds like that person was flexing as if their review would make or break that agency. So as much as I would normally ask for both sides, and if the poster is willing to tell their side of the story, I'm going to go with the story from the agency side because of my positive experiences. Don't be an a-hole and abide by THEIR rules because they are the gatekeepers. It is a two sided story but at the same time it rang out as stories I've been told by bookers and providers who get clients who think they're going to get PSE and start shoving their stick into any open area. There was a poster in the massage section who got called out by the owner after they said the massager was being difficult. It is what it is, but going back to the post about clients being too demanding resonates too much from my conversations with the other side.
I have never treated any of the ladies bad escorts or massage therapists, but a word of warning when giving out your photos, IDs, or personal info. I am pretty well recognized in certain areas and yep I fell for the send a selfie and I'd. Three days later a text stating if I didn't pay $1,000 my photo would be placed on the internet. Well I did not send any money and nothing happened (I don't think) so to each his own. Hmmm something to think about though, what happens if one of these places gets busted and their plea deal way out of trouble is give their customer list and contacts? Let me guess they will protect YOUR identity versus their jail time or fines.
Just got email from JM that someone tried to schedule without giving the proper background and then threatened the booker with a bad review. Almost 99% sure that person is on this board. If you don't want to hand over the necessary info, move on but don't be a dick. There was a previous poster who mentioned that the girls are tired of the rude, disgusting, and over expected clients. On one hand, thank you for being a disgusting pig because it gives people like myself an even better experience. I know that some info may be invasive but if it's not for you then continue browsing the riskier pages and expect random level service back. You make us all look bad whether it's those threats that don't get you anywhere or you expect BBBJ and your junk smells like a dead raccoon in the middle of the summer. Sheesh.
JohnnySalami
11-09-20, 16:52
That's a pretty big jump to the conclusion that the offender must be from this site. Out of curiosity, why did the booker email YOU directly to tell you this information? Just seems odd the booker had an issue with a potential client and they thought "I'd better let Novabhanchan know about this. " Am I missing something here? I don't mean to come off like a jerk, but you kind of referred to us as assholes.
Just got email from JM that someone tried to schedule without giving the proper background and then threatened the booker with a bad review. Almost 99% sure that person is on this board. If you don't want to hand over the necessary info, move on but don't be a dick. There was a previous poster who mentioned that the girls are tired of the rude, disgusting, and over expected clients. On one hand, thank you for being a disgusting pig because it gives people like myself an even better experience. I know that some info may be invasive but if it's not for you then continue browsing the riskier pages and expect random level service back. You make us all look bad whether it's those threats that don't get you anywhere or you expect BBBJ and your junk smells like a dead raccoon in the middle of the summer. Sheesh.
NovaThings
11-09-20, 16:56
I have never treated any of the ladies bad escorts or massage therapists, but a word of warning when giving out your photos, IDs, or personal info. I am pretty well recognized in certain areas and yep I fell for the send a selfie and I'd. Three days later a text stating if I didn't pay $1,000 my photo would be placed on the internet. Well I did not send any money and nothing happened (I don't think) so to each his own. Hmmm something to think about though, what happens if one of these places gets busted and their plea deal way out of trouble is give their customer list and contacts? Let me guess they will protect YOUR identity versus their jail time or fines.To each their own. In this arena everyone has risks. IMO - Id rather give more info for the security of an incall then determine my safety from a 5 minute conversation and a drive around for marked LEO vehicles.
NovaThings
11-09-20, 17:06
That's a pretty big jump to the conclusion that the offender must be from this site. Out of curiosity, why did the booker email YOU directly to tell you this information? Just seems odd the booker had an issue with a potential client and they thought "I'd better let Novabhanchan know about this. " Am I missing something here? I don't mean to come off like a jerk, but you kind of referred to us as assholes.I'm calling out the person who contacted JM. I'm curious to hear his side of the story. If you're an asshole to providers, you know who you are so if you're the ideal client then feel free to move on. I'm just following up on posts here and feedback I get directly from bookers and providers on how THEY'RE treated. Someone posted some feedback from a provider they met with and the negative feedback I get is the same. If you're offended that's your issue, I'm simply relaying the message I receive. That's why this board exists, to provide information. I have no sides in this argument but when you lose a good agency you lose options at a fair donation level. We all lose in the end if we start losing options.
JohnnySalami
11-10-20, 09:00
I'm not offended I've bit. I would suggest changing your up your delivery a bit, because it sounds like you CLEARLY took a side here. Your original post didn't sound like calling someone out. It sounded more like you defending the booker and accusing the members of this site. You should reconsider the words you chose to deliver this message. Filet mignon is delicious. But if that filet mignon was delivered to you with a nice sear on the outside, but sitting on top of a dirty garbage can lid, then the focus becomes the dirty garbage can lid. That's all I'm saying. It's not my intention to fight. I'm just trying to give you some feedback.
I'm calling out the person who contacted JM. I'm curious to hear his side of the story. If you're an asshole to providers, you know who you are so if you're the ideal client then feel free to move on. I'm just following up on posts here and feedback I get directly from bookers and providers on how THEY'RE treated. Someone posted some feedback from a provider they met with and the negative feedback I get is the same. If you're offended that's your issue, I'm simply relaying the message I receive. That's why this board exists, to provide information. I have no sides in this argument but when you lose a good agency you lose options at a fair donation level. We all lose in the end if we start losing options.
JohnnySalami
11-10-20, 09:04
I wouldn't necessarily trust any of these agencies, or girls for that matter. They are in the business of lying frequently. What reason would they have to lie about something like this? Who knows? You only got one side of the story. But as you can see, roasting people on this board didn't really do much to help your cause. Choose your words wisely, or run the risk of your message being lost and you end up getting roasted in return.
I'm calling out the person who contacted JM. I'm curious to hear his side of the story. If you're an asshole to providers, you know who you are so if you're the ideal client then feel free to move on. I'm just following up on posts here and feedback I get directly from bookers and providers on how THEY'RE treated. Someone posted some feedback from a provider they met with and the negative feedback I get is the same. If you're offended that's your issue, I'm simply relaying the message I receive. That's why this board exists, to provide information. I have no sides in this argument but when you lose a good agency you lose options at a fair donation level. We all lose in the end if we start losing options.
NovaThings
11-10-20, 09:35
I'm not offended I've bit. I would suggest changing your up your delivery a bit, because it sounds like you CLEARLY took a side here. Your original post didn't sound like calling someone out. It sounded more like you defending the booker and accusing the members of this site. You should reconsider the words you chose to deliver this message. Filet mignon is delicious. But if that filet mignon was delivered to you with a nice sear on the outside, but sitting on top of a dirty garbage can lid, then the focus becomes the dirty garbage can lid. That's all I'm saying. It's not my intention to fight. I'm just trying to give you some feedback.I don't need your feedback or meaningless analogies. Obviously you have a distaste for what you consider dirty garbage lids (agencies). When you get a dirty lid, I've gotten the 300 degree plate to keep that sizzle. Have all my experiences been A plus, no, but I've also gotten great service from providers who are tired of the smelly needy gross clients because I treat them like a person. Enjoy your garbage lids.
JohnnySalami
11-10-20, 10:39
Your response to my reply is nonsense. I'll let it go because I think it's clear to pretty much everybody reading this that you were wrong to assume and make accusations about the members of this particular site. But I guess I'm not the only one who thought you were original post was a little uncalled for. BTW Ruth's Chris sucks, if that's the steakhouse you're referring to. Might be time to step up your steak game.
I can't be the only one who thinks that it's a little strange that the agency decided to email him particularly to complain about this issue. Unless he's in some way affiliated with that agency. To me, it doesn't add up. Actually, let's strike that last remark about him being affiliated with the agency since there's no way to prove that. But it definitely seems like a strange post when you really think about it.
I don't need your feedback or meaningless analogies. Obviously you have a distaste for what you consider dirty garbage lids (agencies). When you get a dirty lid, I've gotten the 300 degree plate to keep that sizzle. Have all my experiences been A plus, no, but I've also gotten great service from providers who are tired of the smelly needy gross clients because I treat them like a person. Enjoy your garbage lids.
One guy single handedly turned the last page or 2 into a 2007 style Xbox live session battle royale and it's hilarious.
One guy single handedly turned the last page or 2 into a 2007 style Xbox live session battle royale and it's hilarious.Haha, right? Kinda surprised this shenanigans hasn't gotten moved to the "Stupid Shit in NoVa" thread yet. Though I'm betting it's been a hectic couple of weeks for everyone (admins included) with the election, civil unrest, and a recent major uptick in DMV corona cases.
Anyway to get back on track, just noticed on DS that Lynn (https://www.discreetstory.com/lynn) has returned! She's easily one of my ATFs and probably the most stunning provider I've ever had the pleasure. Unfortunately, I might not be able to get away from work by the time she leaves on the 19th, so that's a bummer for me. If you've already been vetted by that agency, I can't possibly sing her praises enough & highly recommend scheduling.
MikelSuTiger
11-10-20, 12:45
I'm pretty sure the email went to all of their t contacts. I received it also and haven't t met any of their ladies in a very long time.
Your response to my reply is nonsense. I'll let it go because I think it's clear to pretty much everybody reading this that you were wrong to assume and make accusations about the members of this particular site. But I guess I'm not the only one who thought you were original post was a little uncalled for. BTW Ruth's Chris sucks, if that's the steakhouse you're referring to. Might be time to step up your steak game.
I can't be the only one who thinks that it's a little strange that the agency decided to email him particularly to complain about this issue. Unless he's in some way affiliated with that agency. To me, it doesn't add up. Actually, let's strike that last remark about him being affiliated with the agency since there's no way to prove that. But it definitely seems like a strange post when you really think about it.
Your response to my reply is nonsense. I'll let it go because I think it's clear to pretty much everybody reading this that you were wrong to assume and make accusations about the members of this particular site. But I guess I'm not the only one who thought you were original post was a little uncalled for. BTW Ruth's Chris sucks, if that's the steakhouse you're referring to. Might be time to step up your steak game.
I can't be the only one who thinks that it's a little strange that the agency decided to email him particularly to complain about this issue. Unless he's in some way affiliated with that agency. To me, it doesn't add up. Actually, let's strike that last remark about him being affiliated with the agency since there's no way to prove that. But it definitely seems like a strange post when you really think about it.She emailed everyone. I used them once over a year ago, and I got the email.
JohnnySalami
11-10-20, 13:12
Thanks. I was right. I was indeed missing something. I sent my ID to a provider exactly one time. She declined to see me because I wouldn't show her my address. She then went on a rant about how she doesn't like to see guys with big dicks because it hurts her. She asked to see a dick pic, but I had already made another appointment. I can definitely see why a provider would want to see an I'd, but I'd be too afraid of getting blackmailed.
I'm pretty sure the email went to all of their t contacts. I received it also and haven't t met any of their ladies in a very long time.
Sweetmeat1200
12-23-20, 06:16
If you pay $. 2 for Relaxation and a HJ you are all guilty of contributing to GPS. Thanks you NOVA mongers for raising the price. (Get over yourselves, "with a NOVA finish", BS to me), you guys aren't special. I pay. 6 at the door for 1 hr. The rest is negotiable. You all have been Conned.
If you pay $. 2 for Relaxation and a HJ you are all guilty of contributing to GPS. Thanks you NOVA mongers for raising the price. (Get over yourselves, "with a NOVA finish", BS to me), you guys aren't special. I pay. 6 at the door for 1 hr. The rest is negotiable. You all have been Conned.Not sure how long you've been mongering but for years in the DMV the going rate at most (not all) HE AMPs has been 80 per hr and 40 tip for a decent HJ.
Are there some AMPs where you can get an hour for 60 or 70? Sure there are, and probably even more so during this virus situation. But the lockdown isn't going to last forever and the expectation should be that prices will revert to their former level.
Also, as I've noted many times in this forum, there are no good or bad AMPs, per se, only good and bad masseuses. If you find an ATF at a $60 place, that's great, but if not is it worth it to save $10 or $20 for mediocre service? Also, with the independent FBSM providers you're enjoying a higher level of privacy and are less likely to be interrupted or rushed.
So, since 80 has been the prevailing rate for a long time, how is a monger being conned if he pays it? About the tip amount, I pay 20 as a tip for a legit massage and from the consensus I've seen for a long time in this forum, a 40 tip for a good standard HJ is considered reasonable. Can you negotiate for less? Of course you can, but you run the risk of being labeled a cheap customer. That's fine if you're always seeing new masseuses but not so great if you're interested in becoming an established and valued regular, which often comes with extra perks.
So, while you're obviously entitled to search for all the bargains you want, telling others they're being "conned" when they pay the usual and customary rate is a bit unwarranted. Also, from your posting history it seems like most or all of your activity has been in other markets. As with real estate, local market conditions can vary widely. The cost in Virginia is not going to be the same as in Honolulu, Baltimore, or Martinsburg. That's always been true in the hobby and will always continue to be so.
Happy Guy 2
12-24-20, 00:28
Not sure how long you've been mongering but for years in the DMV the going rate at most (not all) HE AMPs has been 80 per hr and 40 tip for a decent HJ.
Are there some AMPs where you can get an hour for 60 or 70? Sure there are, and probably even more so during this virus situation. But the lockdown isn't going to last forever and the expectation should be that prices will revert to their former level.
Also, as I've noted many times in this forum, there are no good or bad AMPs, per se, only good and bad masseuses. If you find an ATF at a $60 place, that's great, but if not is it worth it to save $10 or $20 for mediocre service? Also, with the independent FBSM providers you're enjoying a higher level of privacy and are less likely to be interrupted or rushed.
So, since 80 has been the prevailing rate for a long time, how is a monger being conned if he pays it? About the tip amount, I pay 20 as a tip for a legit massage and from the consensus I've seen for a long time in this forum, a 40 tip for a good standard HJ is considered reasonable. Can you negotiate for less? Of course you can, but you run the risk of being labeled a cheap customer. That's fine if you're always seeing new masseuses but not so great if you're interested in becoming an established and valued regular, which often comes with extra perks.
So, while you're obviously entitled to search for all the bargains you want, telling others they're being "conned" when they pay the usual and customary rate is a bit unwarranted. Also, from your posting history it seems like most or all of your activity has been in other markets. As with real estate, local market conditions can vary widely. The cost in Virginia is not going to be the same as in Honolulu, Baltimore, or Martinsburg. That's always been true in the hobby and will always continue to be so.All true stuff.
Just want to add:
- Chinese places typically I found wants 60 or 70 for the house for an hour.
- Korean places typically charge 80 for hour house but includes a Table Shower.
BTW, if you have not figured it out by now, a Table shower feels real good and certainly breaks the ice for fun during and after the TS. After she washes your junk....what else can you say. Nothing after that is really sacred.
Don't bring in more than you want to spend.
Tips are typically as JS said.
Reward for special service.
And,
As PA sais: Be nice to the Ladies.
Since it is Christmas season, a little extra or some flowers or a box of chocolates goes a long way for repeat visits.
Hold strong on what you are willing to pay. Just remember they are experts at negotiating at the critical times and culturally they grew up in a negotiating society. You can't blame them for asking. Or they would never get. They can't blame you if you politely just laugh back and stand firm. That said, I am pretty generous and usually have fun times and welcoming repeat visits.
Play safe, enjoy.
HG2.
Sweetmeat1200
12-24-20, 04:28
Not sure how long you've been mongering but for years in the DMV the going rate at most (not all) HE AMPs has been 80 per hr and 40 tip for a decent HJ.
Are there some AMPs where you can get an hour for 60 or 70? Sure there are, and probably even more so during this virus situation. But the lockdown isn't going to last forever and the expectation should be that prices will revert to their former level.
Also, as I've noted many times in this forum, there are no good or bad AMPs, per se, only good and bad masseuses. If you find an ATF at a $60 place, that's great, but if not is it worth it to save $10 or $20 for mediocre service? Also, with the independent FBSM providers you're enjoying a higher level of privacy and are less likely to be interrupted or rushed.
So, since 80 has been the prevailing rate for a long time, how is a monger being conned if he pays it? About the tip amount, I pay 20 as a tip for a legit massage and from the consensus I've seen for a long time in this forum, a 40 tip for a good standard HJ is considered reasonable. Can you negotiate for less? Of course you can, but you run the risk of being labeled a cheap customer. That's fine if you're always seeing new masseuses but not so great if you're interested in becoming an established and valued regular, which often comes with extra perks.
So, while you're obviously entitled to search for all the bargains you want, telling others they're being "conned" when they pay the usual and customary rate is a bit unwarranted. Also, from your posting history it seems like most or all of your activity has been in other markets. As with real estate, local market conditions can vary widely. The cost in Virginia is not going to be the same as in Honolulu, Baltimore, or Martinsburg. That's always been true in the hobby and will always continue to be so.But you are still guilty no matter how you try to spin it. And trying to rationalize my mongering by researching my report history. Don't you have something better to do, like a hobby? And you admitted to it. "The cost in Virginia is not going to be the same". Do you wonder why? Because you all are willing to pay to the GPS! BTW no need for your soliloquy.
But you are still guilty no matter how you try to spin it. And trying to rationalize my mongering by researching my report history. Don't you have something better to do, like a hobby? And you admitted to it. "The cost in Virginia is not going to be the same". Do you wonder why? Because you all are willing to pay to the GPS! BTW no need for your soliloquy.That's been the rate for a lot longer than you've been around. Complaining about it won't change it any more than complaining about MSRP will cause Ford to drop its prices.
If someone can go to a dealership and negotiate a lower price, more power to him. But that's a far cry from denigrating everyone who pays the going rate. By definition, "going rate" means the price that most people are paying. So your attempt to equate that with GPS is way off the mark.
Prices in Thailand and Colombia (and Martinsburg, I guess) are much cheaper. As are houses, restaurant meals, and a host of other items.
If the going rate was 120, and someone paid 300 (as happened recently), then the GPS label might be appropriate. But that's simply not the case here. No spin, just simple fact.
BTW, it's quite common to check out someone's posting history when someone is brand new to the local forum. Especially when their first post is aimed at criticising others.
If you plan to hang around Northern Virginia for a while, by all means post the various conquests you achieve by means of your outstanding negotiating talents.
As to my hobby, it happens to be visiting AMPs and independent FBSM providers and becoming a valued regular. Which has amazingly resulted in more perks and freebies than I could ever have scored with hardball tactics.
Sweetmeat1200
12-25-20, 08:27
That's been the rate for a lot longer than you've been around. Complaining about it won't change it any more than complaining about MSRP will cause Ford to drop its prices.
If someone can go to a dealership and negotiate a lower price, more power to him. But that's a far cry from denigrating everyone who pays the going rate. By definition, "going rate" means the price that most people are paying. So your attempt to equate that with GPS is way off the mark.
Prices in Thailand and Colombia (and Martinsburg, I guess) are much cheaper. As are houses, restaurant meals, and a host of other items.
If the going rate was 120, and someone paid 300 (as happened recently), then the GPS label might be appropriate. But that's simply not the case here. No spin, just simple fact.
BTW, it's quite common to check out someone's posting history when someone is brand new to the local forum. Especially when their first post is aimed at criticising others.
If youar lot plan to hang around Northern Virginia for a while, by all means post the various conquests you achieve by means of your outstanding negotiating talents.
As to my hobby, it happens to be visiting AMPs and independent FBSM providers and becoming a valued regular. Which has amazingly resulted in more perks and freebies than I could ever have scored with hardball tactics.Well you don't know how long I have been mongering. Now if you base your info solely on this board. You've made an error. I don't plan to be in Stupid NOVA. You guys have the let the price go up by letting these providers dictate the price. Women are not a car lot. That was a terrible comparison. And the providers flock to the area because you guys are willing to pay. Enjoy while you can. Keep over paying all of you. Merry Christmas. I said good day.
Well you don't know how long I have been mongering. Now if you base your info solely on this board. You've made an error. I don't plan to be in Stupid NOVA. You guys have the let the price go up by letting these providers dictate the price. Women are not a car lot. That was a terrible comparison. And the providers flock to the area because you guys are willing to pay. Enjoy while you can. Keep over paying all of you. Merry Christmas. I said good day.On an anonymous f*ckboard, anyone can claim anything they want and there's no way to prove or disprove it. What's easily verified, however, is the level of contribution and expertise as demonstrated by the content of one's forum posts.
What's nice about having some know-it-all newbie show up, with about a dozen posts, is that the cred vs BS test is easy to do. And that simple test reveals that you have zero substantive reviews or field reports to your credit. In fact, almost every post of yours is little more than a line or two reacting to someone else's contribution or question. And, when it comes to Northern Virginia, all you seem to be able to muster is bitching and moaning.
Obviously you're a mongering legend in your own mind but you've demonstrated you have nothing of substance to contribute to this forum. It's also obvious that you don't have a clue as to this market because the AMP and FBSM price level hasn't increased, but rather has remained remarkably stable for many years.
Sorry if NOVA is too rich for you, I'm sure Martinsburg foot rub places are more your style. But aren't most of those closed on Christmas Day? Is that why you had time on your hands and felt compelled to post on a f*ckboard on Christmas? Wow! How sad is that?
P.S. The analogy wasn't that women = cars. It was that MSRP = "going rate" and that the ability to negotiate a lower price doesn't mean that others have overpaid. Did you flunk Logic 101? Or did you even bother taking such a course?
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