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OF Charlie
08-09-18, 11:04
It seems they've fired a bunch of their gals lately, starting with Olivia. Sounds like they're only going with the real money makers. Sounds more like a corporate mentality than an escort agency.Where are you getting your intel from? How do you know they were fired and not quit?
If you don't like their business model, do not use them then. I see nothing wrong with them getting rid of under performers. I pay top $ and I want good performers.
Where are you getting your intel from? How do you know they were fired and not quit?
If you don't like their business model, do not use them then. I see nothing wrong with them getting rid of under performers. I pay top $ and I want good performers.I got my information from a recent session with one of their gals who didn't go into detail, only that Olivia and a few others were fired. As for saying the agencies have a corporate mentality, it was only an observation, not a criticism. If there were as many independent hot young hoofers in the area as there are working for local agencies I'd love it because there'd be fewer restrictions on time, etc. Just one guy's opinion.
OF Charlie
08-09-18, 13:12
I got my information from a recent session with one of their gals who didn't go into detail, only that Olivia and a few others were fired. As for saying the agencies have a corporate mentality, it was only an observation, not a criticism. If there were as many independent hot young hoofers in the area as there are working for local agencies I'd love it because there'd be fewer restrictions on time, etc. Just one guy's opinion.Well, there are many reasons why young girls work for an agency. For one, how many 19 yr old girls have a credit card. Even if they do, most hotels won't let a 19 yr old check in. Also, most of the agency girls are in college, just trying to have less student loans when they graduate. They don't have the time to do the screening.
Personally, I prefer to deal with an agency like mce. As I posted before, there were times where I would shoot them a text and an hour later I would be knocking on the hotel door to see one of their girls.
Well, there are many reasons why young girls work for an agency. For one, how many 19 yr old girls have a credit card. Even if they do, most hotels won't let a 19 yr old check in. Also, most of the agency girls are in college, just trying to have less student loans when they graduate. They don't have the time to do the screening.
Personally, I prefer to deal with an agency like mce. As I posted before, there were times where I would shoot them a text and an hour later I would be knocking on the hotel door to see one of their girls.Yet MCE takes 50% of their cut. LOL.
The girls do all the physical work yet the booker nor the owner spreads their legs.
It may be a standard for the industry but it should be more in my opinion.
Well, there are many reasons why young girls work for an agency. For one, how many 19 yr old girls have a credit card. Even if they do, most hotels won't let a 19 yr old check in. Also, most of the agency girls are in college, just trying to have less student loans when they graduate. They don't have the time to do the screening.
Personally, I prefer to deal with an agency like mce. As I posted before, there were times where I would shoot them a text and an hour later I would be knocking on the hotel door to see one of their girls.I'm with you, Charlie, on all your points. These young girls could never make the kind of money they do going solo because they lack the savvy, ambition and resources for screening, etc. Not that there weren't young solo young hot hoofers in the Good Olde Days, but since the tightened restrictions in the name of trafficking, screening has become a much bigger deal than it ever was, it's less possible to go it alone for these young ones. It's just that agencies McDonald's-like efficiency takes its toll by depriving the hobby of some of the spontaneity and fun. These gals are scared stiff of MCE bosses and except for some of their top money makers, need to live up to assembly line standards or risk getting canned. Even their most popular gals jump when their cell phone timers go off at EXACTLY the one hour mark. Some fun ain't it?
Yet MCE takes 50% of their cut. LOL.
The girls do all the physical work yet the booker nor the owner spreads their legs.
It may be a standard for the industry but it should be more in my opinion.They make them pay for the room too.
Not all agencies are like that. But for this reason and for the post saying how the girls are terrified of the bosses and the timer is why I won't use some agencies around here. I get it doesn't bug some of you, and rock on.
It's why I had to stop using Angelli's when it was Kelly's. A couple girls told me they were leaving cause the owner was rough and kept threatening to get more 'inventory' if they didn't keep us coming back.
It's a boner killer for me.
It seems they've fired a bunch of their gals lately, starting with Olivia.One of the other girls told me she got fired for causing drama with a client.
Sounds more like a corporate mentality than an escort agency.That's what I'm looking for, at these rates -- I want the kind of service a regular business will give me.
OF Charlie
08-10-18, 01:01
I'm with you, Charlie, on all your points. These young girls could never make the kind of money they do going solo because they lack the savvy, ambition and resources for screening, etc. Not that there weren't young solo young hot hoofers in the Good Olde Days, but since the tightened restrictions in the name of trafficking, screening has become a much bigger deal than it ever was, it's less possible to go it alone for these young ones. It's just that agencies McDonald's-like efficiency takes its toll by depriving the hobby of some of the spontaneity and fun. These gals are scared stiff of MCE bosses and except for some of their top money makers, need to live up to assembly line standards or risk getting canned. Even their most popular gals jump when their cell phone timers go off at EXACTLY the one hour mark. Some fun ain't it?It's simple math. Take a $400 girl, with 50% cut as example. That is $200 per hour. To make $100K a year, she needs to see 500 guys (assuming all are 1 hour appt). That is like 10 guys a week. Top performers easily see more than that. All this math is not counting any tips guys might give them. And let's not forget this is all tax free money. How many 20 yr old girls can make $100K a year without opening their legs?
While I feel very bad that they have to do this to pay for college, at the same time nobody is putting a gun to their heads.
As for your comment on the timer, I actually don't have an issue with that. Isn't that better than being shorted on time? Just read the posts on this site. How many guys complain about not getting the full time that they paid for? We all know about the timer going in. And mce is not the only agency to use timer. As I said in the other post, the solution is simple. Don't use agencies if you don't like them. It's really that simple.
Finally, this is econ 101. Basic supply and demand. Agencies exist because there is demand out there.
OF Charlie
08-10-18, 01:37
They make them pay for the room too.
Not all agencies are like that. But for this reason and for the post saying how the girls are terrified of the bosses and the timer is why I won't use some agencies around here. I get it doesn't bug some of you, and rock on.
It's why I had to stop using Angelli's when it was Kelly's. A couple girls told me they were leaving cause the owner was rough and kept threatening to get more 'inventory' if they didn't keep us coming back.
It's a boner killer for me.This is good discussion. An agency is really no different than any business. If workers are not happy, then they leave. If customers are not happy, then they will stop using their service. An agency just like any business will either have to adopt/change or it will go out of business.
This kind of open discussion is good as I am sure all agencies monitor this site. Constructive feedbacks are good for everyone.
They make them pay for the room too.
Not all agencies are like that. But for this reason and for the post saying how the girls are terrified of the bosses and the timer is why I won't use some agencies around here. I get it doesn't bug some of you, and rock on.
It's why I had to stop using Angelli's when it was Kelly's. A couple girls told me they were leaving cause the owner was rough and kept threatening to get more 'inventory' if they didn't keep us coming back.
It's a boner killer for me.I am certain that just like the company I work for, there is more back end work that we don't know or see to deliver a product or service. We say 50% split is unfair but in a regular business, the companies always make more than 60% of the profits. I also know that two girls have told me that they get higher cut than the agency. And finally, multiple girls have told me that the Agency pays for the rooms.
I am new to Chicago agencies and I started using that agency more than the other one based on how good you all spoke of them. I find it confusing how we all know that their strictness is for our benefits but want to rant. Please show me a perfect agency and I will give them my money.
I'm with you, Charlie, on all your points. These young girls could never make the kind of money they do going solo because they lack the savvy, ambition and resources for screening, etc. Not that there weren't young solo young hot hoofers in the Good Olde Days, but since the tightened restrictions in the name of trafficking, screening has become a much bigger deal than it ever was, it's less possible to go it alone for these young ones. It's just that agencies McDonald's-like efficiency takes its toll by depriving the hobby of some of the spontaneity and fun. These gals are scared stiff of MCE bosses and except for some of their top money makers, need to live up to assembly line standards or risk getting canned. Even their most popular gals jump when their cell phone timers go off at EXACTLY the one hour mark. Some fun ain't it?Phone rings and they jump to respond. Very true. Would you say that the girls want extra time with us and that They woud totally hang out with us for free? They jump because of fear and not because time is money?
I am certain that just like the company I work for, there is more back end work that we don't know or see to deliver a product or service. We say 50% split is unfair but in a regular business, the companies always make more than 60% of the profits. I also know that two girls have told me that they get higher cut than the agency. And finally, multiple girls have told me that the Agency pays for the rooms.
I am new to Chicago agencies and I started using that agency more than the other one based on how good you all spoke of them. I find it confusing how we all know that their strictness is for our benefits but want to rant. Please show me a perfect agency and I will give them my money.Companies make more than 60% profit. How does that help the girls that spread their legs and do all the physical work?
Perhaps they should be getting 60% or more in return. 2 girls make more than agency? How is that fair for the other girls?
They make them pay for the room too.
Not all agencies are like that. But for this reason and for the post saying how the girls are terrified of the bosses and the timer is why I won't use some agencies around here. I get it doesn't bug some of you, and rock on.
It's why I had to stop using Angelli's when it was Kelly's. A couple girls told me they were leaving cause the owner was rough and kept threatening to get more 'inventory' if they didn't keep us coming back.
It's a boner killer for me.They also share the rooms with other girls so the cost is shared somewhat. It also explains why they use a timer for session length. The next girl needs the room to get ready for her appointment.
Companies make more than 60% profit. How does that help the girls that spread their legs and do all the physical work?
Perhaps they should be getting 60% or more in return. 2 girls make more than agency? How is that fair for the other girls?If the girls remain at the agency I would think it means they are happy so let's not be saviors or saints. I usually tip generously so whenever we feel their are victims of the agency, let's open our wallets and not just complain. I for one enjoy the variety and the option of having a one stop shop. The fact that two girls have told me they make 60% split means I don't know how many more. But how is this our business? When a girl cancelled on me last minute, there was a girl responding trying to accommodate for me. Who am I to question the value of the back end work that goes on. When something goes wrong, they juggle the drama and act accordingly. I think that if we can afford this extra curricular activity we most likely are busiensss men that need to understand the value of a business. Based on the agencies I use here in LA and in Chicago, the Good agencies seem to do things similar. I don't think I know more than them becuase it's not my industry expertise. Why do we complain here yet the girls all seem completely happy and work with the agencies voluntarily?
This is good discussion. An agency is really no different than any business. If workers are not happy, then they leave. If customers are not happy, then they will stop using their service. An agency just like any business will either have to adopt/change or it will go out of business.
This kind of open discussion is good as I am sure all agencies monitor this site. Constructive feedbacks are good for everyone.I agree totally this discussion is good. And I also agree with the posts saying the ladies are willing to work, I don't want to be misunderstood. But to say they can just leave is bull. Who hasn't had a job where conditions sucked but you stayed cause you needed money? Especially now since the new laws.
But some places treat their girls good, some don't. If I am not seeing indies, it matters to me to put my money where I know the women I am seeing get the best treatment. I do that with real world businesses too. And since agencies do read this, your girls talk lmao. Here's what they say:
Angelli's / MCE recruit some from sugar baby sites, then flip 'them. Others are wherever the other Polish / Russian girls come from. 50/50 split or sometimes 60/40 depending. Charged for rooms, started making them share rooms when girls complained about them taking discounts out of their pay or changing pay structure without notice. Photos, review discounts come from their pay. The angelli owner is known as a total dickhead to them. Honestly, I have heard the worst about him than anybody in over 20 years of mongering so if I sound shitty about them, I am. And its consistent, so its not just one pissed of chick. So if I sound shitty about them, I am and I hope their girls can go somewhere with better treatment soon. Their turnover is no shock. Agency makes schedule.
Youwannasee- 50/50 split, the house mom is cool to them, low pay but treated OK and no house fees. Once the new girl smell has worn off, they cut hours and give them to other girls. Agency makes schedule. Girls mainly pissed cause photos aren't accurate and its hard on them.
Wetnwild. Split varies starting from 50/50 and up depending on experience. Pays part of photos. The escort pays room no other fee's other than driver fee for outcalls. Never really heard any complaints tbh other than a one off here and there from girls fired and honestly, those downward spiraled from there so I can see why they were. Booker can leave something to be desired in communication skills from a clients perspective.
Michelles. Small group and their women stick around cause they like it there. I have only heard excellent things from their gals other than them closing one year for two weeks with a days notice right before Christmas, LOL. Small group, treated well and its been a while but it was 50/50 I think. Gals make their own schedule. Seriously, their girls love working there.
2 kg. Full disclosure I saw the owners Elle and Betsy for a couple years before they started 2 kg, so I know the back story and like their motivation for why they started it. Totally owned by them, no backers. 60 girl / 40 agency split, agency pays for everything, discounts come out of the agencies money not the split, when the girls get a no show they pay them there full rate anyway / girl decide how many appointments they want a day. Women make their own schedules. Treat the girls incredibly well, more of a collective attitude. They are strict though when it comes to the level of escorts professionalism in showing up and not changing their look (probably cause they have to pay for new pics) which a few fired girls complained about to me. Its the least 'agency' feel of all of them imo and consistently the best experience I have had with an agency in Chicago. Their visiting gals are mainly Indies who sign on with them when in town cause of good treatment / no hosting fees. However, if you like the Polish / Russian thing they are not for you. They don't have anyone who was not born in the US. Hire mainly from word of mouth.
262- no clue. I don't mess with places that don't screen, paranoid about busts its too easy for LE to get in. I also don't do YMMV to save a few bucks, I like a sure thing.
If the girls remain at the agency I would think it means they are happy so let's not be saviors or saints. I usually tip generously so whenever we feel their are victims of the agency, let's open our wallets and not just complain. I for one enjoy the variety and the option of having a one stop shop. The fact that two girls have told me they make 60% split means I don't know how many more. But how is this our business? When a girl cancelled on me last minute, there was a girl responding trying to accommodate for me. Who am I to question the value of the back end work that goes on. When something goes wrong, they juggle the drama and act accordingly. I think that if we can afford this extra curricular activity we most likely are busiensss men that need to understand the value of a business. Based on the agencies I use here in LA and in Chicago, the Good agencies seem to do things similar. I don't think I know more than them becuase it's not my industry expertise. Why do we complain here yet the girls all seem completely happy and work with the agencies voluntarily?The girls can actually just work for themselves being on SA using R2 K or P411. Sure the girls are busy with school and such, but surely they can allocate time to send a request to p411 or RS2 K to verify a potential SD or client. Then allocate time to do a incall or outcall.
Those verification websites have been around for a long time. Why should the girls use agencies, being micro managed, have their pay cut short while the girls can be their own bosses and make all the profit? The girls are the business not the agencies. Without girls spreading their legs, there be no agencies because the girls makes up 99% of the clientele not the agencies, 1% comes from screening verification sites, or just screening.
To OFF Charlie, if SB are aware of P411 and RS2 K, that 200 $ ph can actually be 400 ph, double the yearly salary to 200 k. And who knows, there are girls that would fuck 60 year old men, you are just speculating. It may be hard on SA, but like you said, if the girls are in it for the $ they would fuck any age on SA.
I agree totally this discussion is good. And I also agree with the posts saying the ladies are willing to work, I don't want to be misunderstood. But to say they can just leave is bull. Who hasn't had a job where conditions sucked but you stayed cause you needed money? Especially now since the new laws.
But some places treat their girls good, some don't. If I am not seeing indies, it matters to me to put my money where I know the women I am seeing get the best treatment. I do that with real world businesses too. And since agencies do read this, your girls talk lmao. Here's what they say:
Angelli's / MCE recruit some from sugar baby sites, then flip 'them. Others are wherever the other Polish / Russian girls come from. 50/50 split or sometimes 60/40 depending. Charged for rooms, started making them share rooms when girls complained about them taking discounts out of their pay or changing pay structure without notice. Photos, review discounts come from their pay. The angelli owner is known as a total dickhead to them. Honestly, I have heard the worst about him than anybody in over 20 years of mongering so if I sound shitty about them, I am. And its consistent, so its not just one pissed of chick. So if I sound shitty about them, I am and I hope their girls can go somewhere with better treatment soon. Their turnover is no shock. Agency makes schedule.
Youwannasee- 50/50 split, the house mom is cool to them, low pay but treated OK and no house fees. Once the new girl smell has worn off, they cut hours and give them to other girls. Agency makes schedule. Girls mainly pissed cause photos aren't accurate and its hard on them.
Wetnwild. Split varies starting from 50/50 and up depending on experience. Pays part of photos. The escort pays room no other fee's other than driver fee for outcalls. Never really heard any complaints tbh other than a one off here and there from girls fired and honestly, those downward spiraled from there so I can see why they were. Booker can leave something to be desired in communication skills from a clients perspective.
Michelles. Small group and their women stick around cause they like it there. I have only heard excellent things from their gals other than them closing one year for two weeks with a days notice right before Christmas, LOL. Small group, treated well and its been a while but it was 50/50 I think. Gals make their own schedule. Seriously, their girls love working there.
2 kg. Full disclosure I saw the owners Elle and Betsy for a couple years before they started 2 kg, so I know the back story and like their motivation for why they started it. Totally owned by them, no backers. 60 girl / 40 agency split, agency pays for everything, discounts come out of the agencies money not the split, when the girls get a no show they pay them there full rate anyway / girl decide how many appointments they want a day. Women make their own schedules. Treat the girls incredibly well, more of a collective attitude. They are strict though when it comes to the level of escorts professionalism in showing up and not changing their look (probably cause they have to pay for new pics) which a few fired girls complained about to me. Its the least 'agency' feel of all of them imo and consistently the best experience I have had with an agency in Chicago. Their visiting gals are mainly Indies who sign on with them when in town cause of good treatment / no hosting fees. However, if you like the Polish / Russian thing they are not for you. They don't have anyone who was not born in the US. Hire mainly from word of mouth.
262- no clue. I don't mess with places that don't screen, paranoid about busts its too easy for LE to get in. I also don't do YMMV to save a few bucks, I like a sure thing.That is why I totally use independents and SB now because of how MCE and Angelis treat their girls. As well as other agencies too. I want the girls I fuck to receive the full payment. The girls spread their legs, drink our cum, and take a full pounding, and lick our ass sometimes. The agency owners don't at all! So why should they get half doing NO sexual acts? If the MCE girls read this. Do yourself a favor and use P411, and RS2 k to be your own boss and get 100% profit.
It's funny how MCE has new seductive photos just recently after getting bad press on this website.
The new photos aren't going to deter hobbiest about how unfairly, and how bad you treat your girls, well for me it won't since I don't use them or any agencies for that manner.
I agree totally this discussion is good. And I also agree with the posts saying the ladies are willing to work, I don't want to be misunderstood. But to say they can just leave is bull. Who hasn't had a job where conditions sucked but you stayed cause you needed money? Especially now since the new laws.
But some places treat their girls good, some don't. If I am not seeing indies, it matters to me to put my money where I know the women I am seeing get the best treatment. I do that with real world businesses too. And since agencies do read this, your girls talk lmao. Here's what they say:
Angelli's / MCE recruit some from sugar baby sites, then flip 'them. Others are wherever the other Polish / Russian girls come from. 50/50 split or sometimes 60/40 depending. Charged for rooms, started making them share rooms when girls complained about them taking discounts out of their pay or changing pay structure without notice. Photos, review discounts come from their pay. The angelli owner is known as a total dickhead to them. Honestly, I have heard the worst about him than anybody in over 20 years of mongering so if I sound shitty about them, I am. And its consistent, so its not just one pissed of chick. So if I sound shitty about them, I am and I hope their girls can go somewhere with better treatment soon. Their turnover is no shock. Agency makes schedule.
Youwannasee- 50/50 split, the house mom is cool to them, low pay but treated OK and no house fees. Once the new girl smell has worn off, they cut hours and give them to other girls. Agency makes schedule. Girls mainly pissed cause photos aren't accurate and its hard on them.
Wetnwild. Split varies starting from 50/50 and up depending on experience. Pays part of photos. The escort pays room no other fee's other than driver fee for outcalls. Never really heard any complaints tbh other than a one off here and there from girls fired and honestly, those downward spiraled from there so I can see why they were. Booker can leave something to be desired in communication skills from a clients perspective.
Michelles. Small group and their women stick around cause they like it there. I have only heard excellent things from their gals other than them closing one year for two weeks with a days notice right before Christmas, LOL. Small group, treated well and its been a while but it was 50/50 I think. Gals make their own schedule. Seriously, their girls love working there.
2 kg. Full disclosure I saw the owners Elle and Betsy for a couple years before they started 2 kg, so I know the back story and like their motivation for why they started it. Totally owned by them, no backers. 60 girl / 40 agency split, agency pays for everything, discounts come out of the agencies money not the split, when the girls get a no show they pay them there full rate anyway / girl decide how many appointments they want a day. Women make their own schedules. Treat the girls incredibly well, more of a collective attitude. They are strict though when it comes to the level of escorts professionalism in showing up and not changing their look (probably cause they have to pay for new pics) which a few fired girls complained about to me. Its the least 'agency' feel of all of them imo and consistently the best experience I have had with an agency in Chicago. Their visiting gals are mainly Indies who sign on with them when in town cause of good treatment / no hosting fees. However, if you like the Polish / Russian thing they are not for you. They don't have anyone who was not born in the US. Hire mainly from word of mouth.
262- no clue. I don't mess with places that don't screen, paranoid about busts its too easy for LE to get in. I also don't do YMMV to save a few bucks, I like a sure thing.Sorry, to clarify, are MCE and Angellis the same? It doesn't seem like it. If they are different, you specifically mention Angellis owner as being bad, does that go for MCE as well? I personally haven't heard the girls complain about MCE.
Sorry, to clarify, are MCE and Angellis the same? It doesn't seem like it. If they are different, you specifically mention Angellis owner as being bad, does that go for MCE as well? I personally haven't heard the girls complain about MCE.I surely don't want to give my personal information to these 18-21 year olds. Imagine having to get verified for each girl. I use agency becuase I like the one stop shop. When I was in Chicago I saw 8 MCE girls and 3 Angellis girls. I stopped using Agellis because of three reasons that instead of bashing Them, I simply don't book. Out of the 8 MCE girls that I saw, I kept hearing how strict they are with the rules. Be on time, provide your schedule early, hygiene and small items that to me seem like a good thing for US. I don't think that going independent is the solution but I can see clearly why WE would prefer that. I won't be a hypocrite and say I want them to be independent because it will be easier for them. It simply means we mongers will be opportunistic and advantageous of their independency. Bottom line don't use agencies if you don't like them.
Anyways.
I surely don't want to give my personal information to these 18-21 year olds. Imagine having to get verified for each girl. I use agency becuase I like the one stop shop. When I was in Chicago I saw 8 MCE girls and 3 Angellis girls. I stopped using Agellis because of three reasons that instead of bashing Them, I simply don't book. Out of the 8 MCE girls that I saw, I kept hearing how strict they are with the rules. Be on time, provide your schedule early, hygiene and small items that to me seem like a good thing for US. I don't think that going independent is the solution but I can see clearly why WE would prefer that. I won't be a hypocrite and say I want them to be independent because it will be easier for them. It simply means we mongers will be opportunistic and advantageous of their independency. Bottom line don't use agencies if you don't like them.
Anyways.I think you may have responded to the wrong post.
Sorry, to clarify, are MCE and Angellis the same? It doesn't seem like it. If they are different, you specifically mention Angellis owner as being bad, does that go for MCE as well? I personally haven't heard the girls complain about MCE.They are not the same. A while back (before FOSTA / SESTA) a few MCE girls left that agency and showed up at Angelli's. There have been reports that Angelli's and EEC have merged but I can't confirm that.
It's funny how MCE has new seductive photos just recently after getting bad press on this website.
The new photos aren't going to deter hobbiest about how unfairly, and how bad you treat your girls, well for me it won't since I don't use them or any agencies for that manner.I feel like this person isn't contributing anything useful, every post is agency bashing.
FirstTimer7
08-13-18, 11:51
I feel like this person isn't contributing anything useful, every post is agency bashing.As mentioned before, sounds more like a provider than a hobbyist.
As mentioned before, sounds more like a provider than a hobbyist.Definitely, I just want to make sure anyone reading their posts does so with a grain of salt.
That is why I totally use independents and SB now because of how MCE and Angelis treat their girls. As well as other agencies too. I want the girls I fuck to receive the full payment. The girls spread their legs, drink our cum, and take a full pounding, and lick our ass sometimes. The agency owners don't at all! So why should they get half doing NO sexual acts? If the MCE girls read this. Do yourself a favor and use P411, and RS2 k to be your own boss and get 100% profit.You need to educate yourself, cause you don't get it.
Here is the deal. Girls make a decision how they work. And the indy side is NOT all its cracked up to be. First, anyone who has hobby'd for more than a minute knows rs2 k is compromised. They got busted and are still 'allowed' to operate. This was discussed on the TER boards before it became useless.
And if you think that its not expensive to be an indy. It is. I have seen too many girls try and go back to agencies cause they make more money. Some kick ass as indy's but they tell me it was more work than they ever thought.
Websites, advertising, screening, getting hotels, what they pay for verification sites that most don't use anyway. None of it is cheap. Add to the fact that most girls don't even know how to get started.
I'm the first to say I have a real issue with how mce / angelli. And YES they merged even though some here say they didn't. Treats their girls. I think its scummy pimp shit. But some people don't care and that's their business.
But your all 'this is how it works' when you obviously have no clue.
Every monger decides for himself what he likes. I have seen good and bad indy's and good and bad agencies.
You sound like an independent who is slow playing the 'agencies are evil card'.
And if you are a monger, you sound like one who who thinks he knows everything but doesn't know anything.
LipstickOnMe
08-13-18, 19:23
They are not the same. A while back (before FOSTA / SESTA) a few MCE girls left that agency and showed up at Angelli's. There have been reports that Angelli's and EEC have merged but I can't confirm that.They may not be the same, but all 3 of them know each other.
If you type Angeli on the search bar under Escort or Agency Girls.
Look for the thread " This is Fantastic and sounds like they take care. Riina posted a email about EEC, Angeli and MCE. The owner of EEC once had animosity on MEC since Andra took EEC original girls to make a agency with a former EEC client.
Then states that MCE owner was mentored by Andra and Angeli. And since they are in close cooperation, they write fake reviews on TER to hype a girl. Since TER is gone, MEC and Angeli most likely write fake reviews on here. And EEC.
And since the word on the street that Angeli and EEC merged, well now they know each other and so does MEC since they know Angeli.
3 agencies that are in close cooperation with each other, I would take the reviews posted on here and in TER with a grain of salt.
They probably share client information.
FirstTimer7
08-13-18, 19:33
You need to educate yourself, cause you don't get it.
Here is the deal. Girls make a decision how they work. And the indy side is NOT all its cracked up to be. First, anyone who has hobby'd for more than a minute knows rs2 k is compromised. They got busted and are still 'allowed' to operate. This was discussed on the TER boards before it became useless.
And if you think that its not expensive to be an indy. It is. I have seen too many girls try and go back to agencies cause they make more money. Some kick ass as indy's but they tell me it was more work than they ever thought.
Websites, advertising, screening, getting hotels, what they pay for verification sites that most don't use anyway. None of it is cheap. Add to the fact that most girls don't even know how to get started.
I'm the first to say I have a real issue with how mce / angelli. And YES they merged even though some here say they didn't. Treats their girls. I think its scummy pimp shit. But some people don't care and that's their business.
But your all 'this is how it works' when you obviously have no clue.
Every monger decides for himself what he likes. I have seen good and bad indy's and good and bad agencies.
You sound like an independent who is slow playing the 'agencies are evil card'.
And if you are a monger, you sound like one who who thinks he knows everything but doesn't know anything.Besides RS2 K, you can't even sign up for p411 anymore. Useless advice.
You need to educate yourself, cause you don't get it.
Here is the deal. Girls make a decision how they work. And the indy side is NOT all its cracked up to be. First, anyone who has hobby'd for more than a minute knows rs2 k is compromised. They got busted and are still 'allowed' to operate. This was discussed on the TER boards before it became useless.
And if you think that its not expensive to be an indy. It is. I have seen too many girls try and go back to agencies cause they make more money. Some kick ass as indy's but they tell me it was more work than they ever thought.
Websites, advertising, screening, getting hotels, what they pay for verification sites that most don't use anyway. None of it is cheap. Add to the fact that most girls don't even know how to get started.
I'm the first to say I have a real issue with how mce / angelli. And YES they merged even though some here say they didn't. Treats their girls. I think its scummy pimp shit. But some people don't care and that's their business.
But your all 'this is how it works' when you obviously have no clue.
Every monger decides for himself what he likes. I have seen good and bad indy's and good and bad agencies.
You sound like an independent who is slow playing the 'agencies are evil card'.
And if you are a monger, you sound like one who who thinks he knows everything but doesn't know anything.WRONG! RS2 K was never compromised. The discussion on TER was about the the owner / proprietor of the site was arrested for TAX EVASION, nothing more. Please get your facts straight.
WRONG! RS2 K was never compromised. The discussion on TER was about the the owner / proprietor of the site was arrested for TAX EVASION, nothing more. Please get your facts straight.Yeah, your right. The government just ignored the whole hooker thing lmao. Tell that to the owners of backpage.
They just said, fuck all that other illegal shit. We are going to just get them on tax evasion and let them just keep advertising all the stuff other places get in trouble for.
Sounds legit.
Yeah, your right. The government just ignored the whole hooker thing lmao. Tell that to the owners of backpage.
They just said, fuck all that other illegal shit. We are going to just get them on tax evasion and let them just keep advertising all the stuff other places get in trouble for.
Sounds legit.Cool! Why not do some homework and post credible news links that RS2 K and not the owner as an individual was busted for tax evasion. It's old news, dude.
Yeah, your right. The government just ignored the whole hooker thing lmao. Tell that to the owners of backpage.
They just said, fuck all that other illegal shit. We are going to just get them on tax evasion and let them just keep advertising all the stuff other places get in trouble for.
Sounds legit.There is a big difference with the legislation that went into effect and the perceived impact that it would have on Backpage.
Though Rs-Avs may have helped facilitate the p4 p industry, their service was verifying identity. There is no law regarding providing a verification service.
Busted for income tax evasion is another story. I signed up for RS-Avs a few years ago. Not concerned at all. So what, they have my info. It means nothing.
Cool! Why not do some homework and post credible news links that RS2 K and not the owner as an individual was busted for tax evasion. It's old news, dude.https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/owner-of-escort-ad-site-going-to-prison-for-not-paying-taxes/
But your right, I'm going to get out of this section and keep my opinions to myself.
Happy mongering and play safe everyone.
Yeah, your right. The government just ignored the whole hooker thing lmao. Tell that to the owners of backpage.
They just said, fuck all that other illegal shit. We are going to just get them on tax evasion and let them just keep advertising all the stuff other places get in trouble for.
Sounds legit.There is also verifyhim.com. So yeah, agency girls are not limited to RS2 K and p411.
I have RS2 K to see working girls, and it is what it is what happened with the tax invasion.
Many of you mongers have used or still use RS2 K or p411, those were the main websites agency used or currently use to verify clients past or present.
Just read through this thread, have been lurking these forums ever since MCE started giving discounts for reviews here.
I am a mongerer, not affiliated with any agency. Not sure how to prove this to you guys other than pointing to a few posts I've made in the Arrangements thread asking for advice. Doubt that an agency plant would go through that trouble.
MCE is just the real deal. I get the skepticism from you guys, especially after trying a bunch of stuff on SA and getting screwed over sometimes by agencies in the past. But MCE is just an agency that is too good to be true, except that it's actually true. I've been using them for about 3 years now. At the beginning things were a bit more spotty. Sometimes the girls didn't seem into it, sometimes there were missed appointments with no compensation or even an apology.
But from the beginning, I've asked probably like 20+ girls about the agency over the last 3 years, the girls have always said that the agency is awesome. They feel safe, they set their own schedules, MCE has always paid for their hotel rooms, and they have always taken 50% of the price. There are a few girls now (Kylie, Autumn) that have been with the agency for over a year now.
And somehow the agency has really stepped up their game in the last 1. 5 years or so. The girls are fucking amazing hot. Like half of these girls could probably model. Skinny, pretty faces, some athletic, young, college aged girls. The crazy thing is that recently the girls are also just unbelievably experienced in bed as well. Maybe it's just a hot streak for them or maybe they're doing some good training or something, but I've definitely noticed in the last 6 months that several of the girls are just super enthusiastic and willing to please. On top of being young, skinny college girls that you would only dream of fucking.
There were periods where the staff was definitely pretty cocky and unapologetic when things went wrong. The staff has accused me a couple of times of doing things I didn't do. They are also pretty unforgiving I think when it comes to girls or mongerers missing appointments. But you have to remember they are dealing with 18-23 year old hot chicks here. These are girls that pretty much get whatever they want from guys around them. They just don't happen to have rich guys accessible aruond them now. If they weren't strict these girls would never keep appointments and the business would never work. But I would say in the last year they have become super professional. They apologize when running late, they try to make it up to you if a girl cancels. And they fire girls that cancel without a reason, to protect our time!
I would say about half of the new girls are recruited by their friends who already work for the agency. The other half I'm not sure. Probably SA or similar websites. But I have never, ever encountered a girl that had serious concerns about the agency. I have had a few that complained about the agency, but this was the typical 19 year old bullshit. Lack of accountability for not holding up their side of the bargain. I have never heard a legitimate complaint from any of the girls, and most of them are super super positive about the agency.
I honestly think that what's going on here is other agencies are trying to bring them down because they've really dominated the market. And some of you are (understandably) just super skeptical because it seems too good to be true. If you're in the second boat and not trying them because of this, you're really missing out.
Oh and finally they really do recruit a certain body type and age. Almost all 18-22 year olds that are skinny, about 50% have really cute faces as well. Not too many chubby or even slightly chubby girls, though there are maybe like 1 or 2.
Just wanted to stand up for them a bit. They really have a good operation running imo.
LipstickOnMe
08-25-18, 22:47
Just read through this thread, have been lurking these forums ever since MCE started giving discounts for reviews here.
I am a mongerer, not affiliated with any agency. Not sure how to prove this to you guys other than pointing to a few posts I've made in the Arrangements thread asking for advice. Doubt that an agency plant would go through that trouble.
MCE is just the real deal. I get the skepticism from you guys, especially after trying a bunch of stuff on SA and getting screwed over sometimes by agencies in the past. But MCE is just an agency that is too good to be true, except that it's actually true. I've been using them for about 3 years now. At the beginning things were a bit more spotty. Sometimes the girls didn't seem into it, sometimes there were missed appointments with no compensation or even an apology.
But from the beginning, I've asked probably like 20+ girls about the agency over the last 3 years, the girls have always said that the agency is awesome. They feel safe, they set their own schedules, MCE has always paid for their hotel rooms, and they have always taken 50% of the price. There are a few girls now (Kylie, Autumn) that have been with the agency for over a year now.
And somehow the agency has really stepped up their game in the last 1. 5 years or so. The girls are fucking amazing hot. Like half of these girls could probably model. Skinny, pretty faces, some athletic, young, college aged girls. The crazy thing is that recently the girls are also just unbelievably experienced in bed as well. Maybe it's just a hot streak for them or maybe they're doing some good training or something, but I've definitely noticed in the last 6 months that several of the girls are just super enthusiastic and willing to please. On top of being young, skinny college girls that you would only dream of fucking.
There were periods where the staff was definitely pretty cocky and unapologetic when things went wrong. The staff has accused me a couple of times of doing things I didn't do. They are also pretty unforgiving I think when it comes to girls or mongerers missing appointments. But you have to remember they are dealing with 18-23 year old hot chicks here. These are girls that pretty much get whatever they want from guys around them. They just don't happen to have rich guys accessible aruond them now. If they weren't strict these girls would never keep appointments and the business would never work. But I would say in the last year they have become super professional. They apologize when running late, they try to make it up to you if a girl cancels. And they fire girls that cancel without a reason, to protect our time!
I would say about half of the new girls are recruited by their friends who already work for the agency. The other half I'm not sure. Probably SA or similar websites. But I have never, ever encountered a girl that had serious concerns about the agency. I have had a few that complained about the agency, but this was the typical 19 year old bullshit. Lack of accountability for not holding up their side of the bargain. I have never heard a legitimate complaint from any of the girls, and most of them are super super positive about the agency.
I honestly think that what's going on here is other agencies are trying to bring them down because they've really dominated the market. And some of you are (understandably) just super skeptical because it seems too good to be true. If you're in the second boat and not trying them because of this, you're really missing out.
Oh and finally they really do recruit a certain body type and age. Almost all 18-22 year olds that are skinny, about 50% have really cute faces as well. Not too many chubby or even slightly chubby girls, though there are maybe like 1 or 2.
Just wanted to stand up for them a bit. They really have a good operation running imo.Perhaps it was unfair for the original EEC owner that Andra, who once worked for EEC, stoled client information to start her own business with a former EEC client.
EEC originally took over market share, but for some reason the owner just couldn't handle his office staff and his escorts. Look at post #28 on here.
Now, EEC and Angeli merged, and MCE, is in close cooperation with both of them as MCE cooperates with Angeli to write fake reviews. There is no competition now in Chicago, but the agencies who've been around 20+ years. Surely, those owners can't recruit hot girls on SA or else where.
The only agencies I see on this website that are brand new that may be able to compete with MCE, EEC and Angeli are http://www.cutiecollectiononline.com/updates.html.
And https://pureclassymodels.com.
Cutie, well looking at their website, the girls aren't attractive, and I am skeptical on using them. Pureandclassy looks like the have 2 hot girls, but am also skeptical on using them. However, I think Pureclassymodels can be up there as they list on their website they once were in the industry before.
JohnSnowChi
08-26-18, 16:27
Perhaps it was unfair for the original EEC owner that Andra, who once worked for EEC, stoled client information to start her own business with a former EEC client.
EEC originally took over market share, but for some reason the owner just couldn't handle his office staff and his escorts. Look at post #28 on here.
Now, EEC and Angeli merged, and MCE, is in close cooperation with both of them as MCE cooperates with Angeli to write fake reviews. There is no competition now in Chicago, but the agencies who've been around 20+ years. Surely, those owners can't recruit hot girls on SA or else where.
The only agencies I see on this website that are brand new that may be able to compete with MCE, EEC and Angeli are http://www.cutiecollectiononline.com/updates.html.
And https://pureclassymodels.com.
Cutie, well looking at their website, the girls aren't attractive, and I am skeptical on using them. Pureandclassy looks like the have 2 hot girls, but am also skeptical on using them. However, I think Pureclassymodels can be up there as they list on their website they once were in the industry before.I used to use EEC back in the day and when I found CEC, I had to get verified so I don't know if they stole me, I wish they would had just contacted me so I wouldn't need to get verified LOL. I'm glad there are more agencies because if one agency closes down then I will be shit out of luck. We all know mce girls are 9 and 10's caliber and angellis 6 and some decent 7's. If they are working together then I hope they keep bringing good talent but I think it was Anastasia and Alize who told me that the two owners do not like each other And don't work together to the point they don't talk. If someday pureclassy and cutiecollection move from having only 5-6 caliber then I'll consider them but currently not even remotely close to the girls available at mce.
LipstickOnMe
08-26-18, 17:06
I used to use EEC back in the day and when I found CEC, I had to get verified so I don't know if they stole me, I wish they would had just contacted me so I wouldn't need to get verified LOL. I'm glad there are more agencies because if one agency closes down then I will be shit out of luck. We all know mce girls are 9 and 10's caliber and angellis 6 and some decent 7's. If they are working together then I hope they keep bringing good talent but I think it was Anastasia and Alize who told me that the two owners do not like each other And don't work together to the point they don't talk. If someday pureclassy and cutiecollection move from having only 5-6 caliber then I'll consider them but currently not even remotely close to the girls available at mce.How do you know Pureclassymodels have 5-6 caliber girls? I saw Sakiya and she is a total 9.
Presley is actual up there too, more like a 10. I haven't seen her physically, but I did see her face pics. Have you seen their Models? You can't just say their 5-6's if you haven't seen them.
The owners had 9-10 Models before CEC ever existed, LOL. They can certainly compete with them.
Cutie, probably can only acquire 5-6 girls, I've seen some pics posted online once, now their gone.
I used to use EEC back in the day and when I found CEC, I had to get verified so I don't know if they stole me, I wish they would had just contacted me so I wouldn't need to get verified LOL. I'm glad there are more agencies because if one agency closes down then I will be shit out of luck. We all know mce girls are 9 and 10's caliber and angellis 6 and some decent 7's. If they are working together then I hope they keep bringing good talent but I think it was Anastasia and Alize who told me that the two owners do not like each other And don't work together to the point they don't talk. If someday pureclassy and cutiecollection move from having only 5-6 caliber then I'll consider them but currently not even remotely close to the girls available at mce.FYI. Alize (a favorite of mine from Angelli and MCE, under a name I cannot remember) has returned as Allie with ChicagoCoverGirls and SimplyGFE (who apparently "code share" now).
FirstTimer7
08-27-18, 01:50
How do you know Pureclassymodels have 5-6 caliber girls? I saw Sakiya and she is a total 9.
Presley is actual up there too, more like a 10. I haven't seen her physically, but I did see her face pics. Have you seen their Models? You can't just say their 5-6's if you haven't seen them.
The owners had 9-10 Models before CEC ever existed, LOL. They can certainly compete with them.
Cutie, probably can only acquire 5-6 girls, I've seen some pics posted online once, now their gone.Are you promoting them because you are a "forum advertiser"? This agency is nonexistant until a month ago with only new members talking about it.
LipstickOnMe
08-27-18, 11:35
Are you promoting them because you are a "forum advertiser"? This agency is nonexistant until a month ago with only new members talking about it.I'm not a promoter.
The owners told on email they have been in existence since 2013. Not sure if it's true. Said they were active on TER back then. Can't elaborate on that since I can't see noting on them. But I can tell you they have hot girl as I met Sakiya.
Raiden1290
08-30-18, 20:01
Yet MCE takes 50% of their cut. LOL.
The girls do all the physical work yet the booker nor the owner spreads their legs.
It may be a standard for the industry but it should be more in my opinion.On top of the MCE owner taking 50% He screws girls on SA to recruit, and does them BareBack.
Makes all of them to screw him BareBack to work for him. Possibly passes certain stuff to us mongers that we don't know about.
This can be substantiated from the previous girls who had worked for him, and current girls. Makes the girls see 7 to 8 clients a day too.
Don't bother booking girls through MCE, EEC and Angelis. These pimps don't treat their girls right. It's all sugar coated if you meet the girls. Deep down, they know they are in bad job environment in which they can't leave because of the pay.
FruitNinja
08-31-18, 09:43
On top of the MCE owner taking 50% He screws girls on SA to recruit, and does them BareBack.
Makes all of them to screw him BareBack to work for him. Possibly passes certain stuff to us mongers that we don't know about.
This can be substantiated from the previous girls who had worked for him, and current girls. Makes the girls see 7 to 8 clients a day too.
Don't bother booking girls through MCE, EEC and Angelis. These pimps don't treat their girls right. It's all sugar coated if you meet the girls. Deep down, they know they are in bad job environment in which they can't leave because of the pay.Me smells bullshit.
JohnSnowChi
08-31-18, 10:05
Me smells bullshit.Fruitninja you couldn't had said it better. Someone that was blacklisted most likely. I concur, it Smells like bullshit. Moving on.
If anyone sees Megan from mce let me know. Trying to book with them today but schedule kind of tough but can make it work if worth it. Please pm me.
If anyone sees Megan from mce let me know. Trying to book with them today but schedule kind of tough but can make it work if worth it. Please pm me.Right. Because nobody saw your question in the Agency Girl thread.
FruitNinja
08-31-18, 12:08
If anyone sees Megan from mce let me know. Trying to book with them today but schedule kind of tough but can make it work if worth it. Please pm me.Dude, How about taking one for the team and actually contributing to the forum.
Raiden1290
08-31-18, 15:33
Me smells bullshit.Seems it as it may be that I only have one forum post. That shouldn't dissuade the fact that what is post isn't factual. Ask the girls Fruit Ninja.
Ask Alize, who works for another agency. Chloe, Katrina, Milena and a bunch of other girls that work at Angelis that once worked at MCE. There are several girls at MCE that would also say it's factual but they probably won't say it now because they don't want to risk losing there job.
You will see statistically, the girls aren't lying at all that they were recruited on SA and ask to do RawDog with the owner to have a job.
JohnSnowChi
08-31-18, 21:17
Seems it as it may be that I only have one forum post. That shouldn't dissuade the fact that what is post isn't factual. Ask the girls Fruit Ninja.
Ask Alize, who works for another agency. Chloe, Katrina, Milena and a bunch of other girls that work at Angelis that once worked at MCE. There are several girls at MCE that would also say it's factual but they probably won't say it now because they don't want to risk losing there job.
You will see statistically, the girls aren't lying at all that they were recruited on SA and ask to do RawDog with the owner to have a job.90% of us mongers prefer raw dog and we pay more when the girls offer it. I've met 3 girls on SA and it was always raw dog, without even discussion. Sooooo.
I one time raw dogged one of those girls that you mentioned. It was at mce when we went to the shower. I have seen lots of their girls and got tested after and nothing. I've also gotten tested multiple times and nothing. I saw two of these girls at angelis and they would only talk shit like this about mce. I speak to the girls during my apps and I know they are doing well and they are ok. Let hermit keep br Gnight uscnew godo talent. Use condom when you book them and be safe.
Member #5887
09-01-18, 00:50
On top of the MCE owner taking 50% He screws girls on SA to recruit, and does them BareBack.
Makes all of them to screw him BareBack to work for him. Possibly passes certain stuff to us mongers that we don't know about.
This can be substantiated from the previous girls who had worked for him, and current girls. Makes the girls see 7 to 8 clients a day too.
Don't bother booking girls through MCE, EEC and Angelis. These pimps don't treat their girls right. It's all sugar coated if you meet the girls. Deep down, they know they are in bad job environment in which they can't leave because of the pay.This is word-for-word the shit Chloe told me of MCE the last time I saw her. Now I've had issues with MCE in the past, but lately they've been on top of things. I've seen a few girls several times and all have said they are comfortable to work there.
FruitNinja
09-01-18, 05:38
Seems it as it may be that I only have one forum post. That shouldn't dissuade the fact that what is post isn't factual. Ask the girls Fruit Ninja.
Ask Alize, who works for another agency. Chloe, Katrina, Milena and a bunch of other girls that work at Angelis that once worked at MCE. There are several girls at MCE that would also say it's factual but they probably won't say it now because they don't want to risk losing there job.
You will see statistically, the girls aren't lying at all that they were recruited on SA and ask to do RawDog with the owner to have a job.And everyone should believe you why? All the posts you have on the forum? Nope! You have no credibility. You come off as a competitor jealous of the success MCE has, I've only done them a few times so I have no skin in it either way.
And everyone should believe you why? All the posts you have on the forum? Nope! You have no credibility. You come off as a competitor jealous of the success MCE has, I've only done them a few times so I have no skin in it either way.Fruit Ninja, Raiden is right.
He isn't a competitor. Who gives a shit about how many posts are given on a forum. I've used MCE in the past as well as other agencies. I've spoken to several of the girls who are no longer with MCE and currently with MCE. It's a given fact that the owner does fuck girls on SA to recruit and does them raw dogggy.
Since you're so active on SA, as well as I am since I no longer use agencies. Autumn, Alexa, Vic, Clarissa, Kate, Stephanie, Hazema, are on it or once were on it. There are also several others too, but those names I can think of now.
I've met a few, outside of the agency and these young girls do talk. Those girls that I've listed, you could have fucked them for 2 hours plus paying MCE hour price. Why patronize a biz that charges a lot and treat their girls unfairly? SA will dominate the industry once legislation becomes active and agencies will be no more. The new hot fucks are on SA not with agencies.
AsiaPhileJake1
09-01-18, 10:29
I received prescreen approval from EEC prior to the website shutdown. I now receive updates on schedules every day. Sometimes both text and WhatsApp. I have told them one or the other but not both which they seemed to oblige for the most part. I have also asked if it was possible to just message them when I would be in the area for the daily schedule. This seems to be too much of an inconvenience for them. The really annoying part of this besides getting updated every day which I don't need is the photos automatically go into my album. Does anyone know how to stop this from happening within the application? I'm to the point of telling them to take me off their list. It's not like I'm in the area all that often and able to drop $$ 5 on a regular basis. I got approved back then when they had a provider who pleased my appetite.
JohnSnowChi
09-01-18, 12:26
I received prescreen approval from EEC prior to the website shutdown. I now receive updates on schedules every day. Sometimes both text and WhatsApp. I have told them one or the other but not both which they seemed to oblige for the most part. I have also asked if it was possible to just message them when I would be in the area for the daily schedule. This seems to be too much of an inconvenience for them. The really annoying part of this besides getting updated every day which I don't need is the photos automatically go into my album. Does anyone know how to stop this from happening within the application? I'm to the point of telling them to take me off their list. It's not like I'm in the area all that often and able to drop $$ 5 on a regular basis. I got approved back then when they had a provider who pleased my appetite.I got removed recently by asking them to not message me until I reach out to them. I also removed the notification on my phone.
Fruit Ninja, Raiden is right.
He isn't a competitor. Who gives a shit about how many posts are given on a forum. I've used MCE in the past as well as other agencies. I've spoken to several of the girls who are no longer with MCE and currently with MCE. It's a given fact that the owner does fuck girls on SA to recruit and does them raw dogggy.
Since you're so active on SA, as well as I am since I no longer use agencies. Autumn, Alexa, Vic, Clarissa, Kate, Stephanie, Hazema, are on it or once were on it. There are also several others too, but those names I can think of now.
I've met a few, outside of the agency and these young girls do talk. Those girls that I've listed, you could have fucked them for 2 hours plus paying MCE hour price. Why patronize a biz that charges a lot and treat their girls unfairly? SA will dominate the industry once legislation becomes active and agencies will be no more. The new hot fucks are on SA not with agencies.Says the person with 15 out of 15 posts bashing agencies.
Says the person with 15 out of 15 posts bashing agencies.Says the person who doesn't want to ask or is to afraid to ask the girls.
Ask and you'll find out from the girls.
AsiaPhileJake1
09-01-18, 17:59
I got removed recently by asking them to not message me until I reach out to them. I also removed the notification on my phone.Yes I kind of figured that might be the case here. I'm uncertain if I want that to happen. It may be the way to go. The main reason I got interested is no longer there and asking for further information is not getting much except how wonderful they are. I very rarely get downtown the O'Hare area is easier for me but there are fewer options. In fact today on a day I could make the journey there are none!
I got removed recently by asking them to not message me until I reach out to them. I also removed the notification on my phone.I was a big MCE client for over a year and saw many of the girls. I started before they were MCE. I had my differences with Andra over that year but when I picked up a great SB off SA I asked to be taken off the list. She went back to college so I asked to be added back to the list and they told me no. Took my money to EEC and picked up another SB. Life is good with competition for our hard earned money!
JohnSnowChi
09-01-18, 19:00
Says the person who doesn't want to ask or is to afraid to ask the girls.
Ask and you'll find out from the girls.Sure we have all asked the girls and it's obvious that if they were on SA yet stay at the agencies it's a better option. You know that a few girls in agencies have told me they hate some of the clients? They won't meet us on SA if they are not attracted to us. Trust me, the agencies are making this possible for us. If your some stud and can meet all these girls then carry on. We are not consistent with the girls on SA as we all want variety so girls prefer agency for a consistent form of income. But nonetheless mother Teresa. Don't book the agencies and keep doing your thing on SA. Don't try 5 o fuck it up for the rest of us.
TheMinister
09-01-18, 21:03
First, a quick intro: long time lurker and first time commenter. I've been in and out of mongering for a while and plan to contribute to the boards more now that I'm back at it.
That said, I see posts mentioning people on "SA" and having success. The question is what is "SA"? You PM me if that's easier.
TheMinister
09-01-18, 23:11
Question for the moderator:
No matter what I write or how I write it, none of my posts get published. What am I doing wrong??
Not reading the FAQ. As a new member your posts need to be moderated before they go live and if you keep posting stuff that meant to stir up shit you will always need moderation.
After three months you need to ask what SA is? Like that wasn't intended to make every senior jump your ass for not reading the forum.
A2
Sure we have all asked the girls and it's obvious that if they were on SA yet stay at the agencies it's a better option. You know that a few girls in agencies have told me they hate some of the clients? They won't meet us on SA if they are not attracted to us. Trust me, the agencies are making this possible for us. If your some stud and can meet all these girls then carry on. We are not consistent with the girls on SA as we all want variety so girls prefer agency for a consistent form of income. But nonetheless mother Teresa. Don't book the agencies and keep doing your thing on SA. Don't try 5 o fuck it up for the rest of us.Girls on SA would meet us even if we are not attractive. Money talks, shit walks.
Girls want money, we give money on SA even if we look like Louie Anderson.
Whats the difference with agencies? Do they force them to see ugly clients? If so, that's fucked up on MCE. If the girls find us not attractive, there going to find us not attractive either way. What they find attractive are Benjamins. That's what the girls want.
Fosta and Sesta legislation will fuck it up once they are active on websites promoting escorts. Then SA will be the only source of finding hot chicks that would fuck for money. Agencies would be no more when that happens. Agencies main competition are SB websites. There are way more pussy and 18 years olds than a good agency can actually have. Let's say hundreds, maybe to thousand on SA. Yet, agencies only way to prosper are recruiting girls on SA. And that is what MCE, angelis and EEC does. Without SA, they wouldn't exist.
Get with the times JohnSnowChi.
FirstTimer7
09-02-18, 03:29
Fruit Ninja, Raiden is right.
He isn't a competitor. Who gives a shit about how many posts are given on a forum. I've used MCE in the past as well as other agencies. I've spoken to several of the girls who are no longer with MCE and currently with MCE. It's a given fact that the owner does fuck girls on SA to recruit and does them raw dogggy.
Since you're so active on SA, as well as I am since I no longer use agencies. Autumn, Alexa, Vic, Clarissa, Kate, Stephanie, Hazema, are on it or once were on it. There are also several others too, but those names I can think of now.
I've met a few, outside of the agency and these young girls do talk. Those girls that I've listed, you could have fucked them for 2 hours plus paying MCE hour price. Why patronize a biz that charges a lot and treat their girls unfairly? SA will dominate the industry once legislation becomes active and agencies will be no more. The new hot fucks are on SA not with agencies.A lot of people gives a shit about a user's forum status. For all I know, you can be using a dupe account as Raiden. With all your expertise on SA, you've yet to make a post on that thread but instead just bash agencies here. You make it sound like SA is easy but the SA thread says otherwise.
JohnSnowChi
09-02-18, 07:32
Girls on SA would meet us even if we are not attractive. Money talks, shit walks.
Girls want money, we give money on SA even if we look like Louie Anderson.
Whats the difference with agencies? Do they force them to see ugly clients? If so, that's fucked up on MCE. If the girls find us not attractive, there going to find us not attractive either way. What they find attractive are Benjamins. That's what the girls want.
Fosta and Sesta legislation will fuck it up once they are active on websites promoting escorts. Then SA will be the only source of finding hot chicks that would fuck for money. Agencies would be no more when that happens. Agencies main competition are SB websites. There are way more pussy and 18 years olds than a good agency can actually have. Let's say hundreds, maybe to thousand on SA. Yet, agencies only way to prosper are recruiting girls on SA. And that is what MCE, angelis and EEC does. Without SA, they wouldn't exist.
Get with the times JohnSnowChi.You know, these agencies are proving pussy for us, and we are enjoying it. If this doesn't work for you then move on and go do your SA missions. You are mad that agencies exist? Is that it? Do you think that any of us will care what you have to say, or that we will stop booking based on your 1 cent? You are a troll and you are not contributing to anything. All you negativity clearly shows the kind of personality you have and in no way would a girl From SA keep seeing you. With your negativity, it's very likely that you were black listed so your lashing out here.
Moving on.
FruitNinja
09-02-18, 08:21
Girls on SA would meet us even if we are not attractive. Money talks, shit walks.
Girls want money, we give money on SA even if we look like Louie Anderson.
Whats the difference with agencies? Do they force them to see ugly clients? If so, that's fucked up on MCE. If the girls find us not attractive, there going to find us not attractive either way. What they find attractive are Benjamins. That's what the girls want.
Fosta and Sesta legislation will fuck it up once they are active on websites promoting escorts. Then SA will be the only source of finding hot chicks that would fuck for money. Agencies would be no more when that happens. Agencies main competition are SB websites. There are way more pussy and 18 years olds than a good agency can actually have. Let's say hundreds, maybe to thousand on SA. Yet, agencies only way to prosper are recruiting girls on SA. And that is what MCE, angelis and EEC does. Without SA, they wouldn't exist.
Get with the times JohnSnowChi.Talking SA only: Why would you want to see a girl that finds you unattractive? That's a recipe for a bad experience. I've found that SA girls that find me handsome and are excited about meeting tend to be GFE under the sheets. Ones that are just turning tricks tend to be uneventful. My current SB never misses a day telling me how handsome I am. She never says no to sex. And she's amazing in bed. That's why I moved her in.
DMichaels69
09-02-18, 09:44
Write an actual report and not ask dumb questions.
Question for the moderator:
No matter what I write or how I write it, none of my posts get published. What am I doing wrong??
Not reading the FAQ. As a new member your posts need to be moderated before they go live and if you keep posting stuff that meant to stir up shit you will always need moderation.
After three months you need to ask what SA is? Like that wasn't intended to make every senior jump your ass for not reading the forum.
A2
Talking SA only: Why would you want to see a girl that finds you unattractive? That's a recipe for a bad experience. I've found that SA girls that find me handsome and are excited about meeting tend to be GFE under the sheets. Ones that are just turning tricks tend to be uneventful. My current SB never misses a day telling me how handsome I am. She never says no to sex. And she's amazing in bed. That's why I moved her in.Fruitninja, I think we need to just stop responding to these troll accounts and start reporting them.
SumGuyFrmThChi
09-02-18, 21:38
I received prescreen approval from EEC prior to the website shutdown. I now receive updates on schedules every day. Sometimes both text and WhatsApp. I have told them one or the other but not both which they seemed to oblige for the most part. I have also asked if it was possible to just message them when I would be in the area for the daily schedule. This seems to be too much of an inconvenience for them. The really annoying part of this besides getting updated every day which I don't need is the photos automatically go into my album. Does anyone know how to stop this from happening within the application? I'm to the point of telling them to take me off their list. It's not like I'm in the area all that often and able to drop $$ 5 on a regular basis. I got approved back then when they had a provider who pleased my appetite.To stop the photos from saving to your camera roll, in WhatsApp, go to Settings then choose Chat. From there make sure "Save to Camera Roll" is set off. That's all ya need to do!
You know, these agencies are proving pussy for us, and we are enjoying it. If this doesn't work for you then move on and go do your SA missions. You are mad that agencies exist? Is that it? Do you think that any of us will care what you have to say, or that we will stop booking based on your 1 cent? You are a troll and you are not contributing to anything. All you negativity clearly shows the kind of personality you have and in no way would a girl From SA keep seeing you. With your negativity, it's very likely that you were black listed so your lashing out here.
Moving on.I'm not mad that agencies exist. I've used them before and before SA went online.
What I just don't like about these pimps, MCE, Angelis, EEC that they treat their girls unfairly. The keep 50/50 cut, are forced to see 7-10 men in a day and they are forced to fuck the owners raw dog. Come on now. If they raw dog it, every monger that books a app should raw dog their girls. Some girls may say it's untrue but they are sugar coating it to keep their jobs.
Once the crackdown begins, everyone will be using SA since they have some cushion around the law, agencies don't.
I'm not mad that agencies exist. I've used them before and before SA went online.
What I just don't like about these pimps, MCE, Angelis, EEC that they treat their girls unfairly. The keep 50/50 cut, are forced to see 7-10 men in a day and they are forced to fuck the owners raw dog. Come on now. If they raw dog it, every monger that books a app should raw dog their girls. Some girls may say it's untrue but they are sugar coating it to keep their jobs.
Once the crackdown begins, everyone will be using SA since they have some cushion around the law, agencies don't.Well Modeling Avenue is owned by a female. I've known her for many years now. She doesn't extort sex from her girls and she does keep 60% instead of 50%.
I'm not mad that agencies exist. I've used them before and before SA went online.
What I just don't like about these pimps, MCE, Angelis, EEC that they treat their girls unfairly. The keep 50/50 cut, are forced to see 7-10 men in a day and they are forced to fuck the owners raw dog. Come on now. If they raw dog it, every monger that books a app should raw dog their girls. Some girls may say it's untrue but they are sugar coating it to keep their jobs.
Once the crackdown begins, everyone will be using SA since they have some cushion around the law, agencies don't.Long time lurker just giving my cent. As a disclaimer I'm a newbie monger in Chicago and have used agencies only in the US. I've kept seeing SA being brought up in a lot of these replies and often times argued as a better alternative for agencies. While I do recognize the certain advantages one may find in SA, I just find it very disingenuous to say that SA will replace agencies, or that SA is even a direct competitor of agencies.
The business model between the two is obviously different although both target the same consumers. SA is set up as a dating site and just like many other dating sites share the same pitfalls. Namely: scams, stings, and overall unreliability. So I just visited the SA thread and lo and behold the first three pages discussion surrounds about the same three things that I've just mentioned: fear of scams, stings, and flakey / fake girls. And this the driving factor for why I on one hand shies away from SA.
In my head I ask these essential questions: if I see a girl's profile in SA, am I confident that I would be able to see her? If I see a girl I want in SA, am I confident that she is a legit provider? Yes or No? If I see a girl I want in SA, and after putting in the effort of "maybe" spending time with her, am I confident that will lead to some sexy times? Yes or No? Do all the girls in SA have standardized / uniform rate / expectations / SOP of what they expect from me? Am I to sift through hundreds, perhaps thousands of profiles asking the same questions over and over to just have some good time?
How is this any better from just looking at ads and doing the same shit test? For a chance to raw dog a hoo er? I'm not sure that's even a positive preference all the time in the first place. If she's willing to raw dog you for a couple of $$, then she's most possibly raw dogging hundreds of mongers too. I don't know about the standards here but when I was mongering in the Philippines (where selling se x is illegal) massage (brothel) girls get tested at least once a month, some every 2 weeks. And they don't even allow bareback. So this "positive" isn't exactly an unsurmountable preference that will sway one to a SA girl over an agency one.
Then comes an even more laughable plea for the girl's treatment: Serving 7 up to 10 guys a day to make about half of the rate (oh the humanity!
Let's just say for example that a provider's rate is 400 and she gets to keep half of it. She gets to see 7 guys in a day and she makes 1400. If she were in SA and charges _half_ of that for the same service, spends about _twice_ amount of time per appt, and even do bareback (wow! What a deal), then you're saying that she does all that _hardwork_ to essentially net the same amount of $. And since she has lower volume than an agency girl, her net $ will also be lower.
Does this sound like a total BS to any of you? Either you're truly concerned for the girls or you're a total dirtbag to them.
Long time lurker just giving my cent. As a disclaimer I'm a newbie monger in Chicago and have used agencies only in the US. I've kept seeing SA being brought up in a lot of these replies and often times argued as a better alternative for agencies. While I do recognize the certain advantages one may find in SA, I just find it very disingenuous to say that SA will replace agencies, or that SA is even a direct competitor of agencies.
The business model between the two is obviously different although both target the same consumers. SA is set up as a dating site and just like many other dating sites share the same pitfalls. Namely: scams, stings, and overall unreliability. So I just visited the SA thread and lo and behold the first three pages discussion surrounds about the same three things that I've just mentioned: fear of scams, stings, and flakey / fake girls. And this the driving factor for why I on one hand shies away from SA.
In my head I ask these essential questions: if I see a girl's profile in SA, am I confident that I would be able to see her? If I see a girl I want in SA, am I confident that she is a legit provider? Yes or No? If I see a girl I want in SA, and after putting in the effort of "maybe" spending time with her, am I confident that will lead to some sexy times? Yes or No? Do all the girls in SA have standardized / uniform rate / expectations / SOP of what they expect from me? Am I to sift through hundreds, perhaps thousands of profiles asking the same questions over and over to just have some good time?
How is this any better from just looking at ads and doing the same shit test? For a chance to raw dog a hoo er? I'm not sure that's even a positive preference all the time in the first place. If she's willing to raw dog you for a couple of $$, then she's most possibly raw dogging hundreds of mongers too. I don't know about the standards here but when I was mongering in the Philippines (where selling se x is illegal) massage (brothel) girls get tested at least once a month, some every 2 weeks. And they don't even allow bareback. So this "positive" isn't exactly an unsurmountable preference that will sway one to a SA girl over an agency one.
Then comes an even more laughable plea for the girl's treatment: Serving 7 up to 10 guys a day to make about half of the rate (oh the humanity!
Let's just say for example that a provider's rate is 400 and she gets to keep half of it. She gets to see 7 guys in a day and she makes 1400. If she were in SA and charges _half_ of that for the same service, spends about _twice_ amount of time per appt, and even do bareback (wow! What a deal), then you're saying that she does all that _hardwork_ to essentially net the same amount of $. And since she has lower volume than an agency girl, her net $ will also be lower.
Does this sound like a total BS to any of you? Either you're truly concerned for the girls or you're a total dirtbag to them.All those questions you have asked can be answered if there was a review board for SB and SD. If there was, and the SB know that their reputation is on the line to make money, it would be a lot easier for us mongers to fuck new girls rather than using agencies. Since there isn't a review website, well you take risks on a SB girl.
It's the same risk as meeting a escorts on CL, BP, and using a agency such as MCE, Angelis, EEC. But most girls on SA are real and ready to fuck. Sure it takes effort, but it's worth it in the end.
Girls on SA can act as independent escorts and make twice the amount, if they have the knowledge on how to screen and know how to be under the radar on SA. SA is a great platform to advertise or be known to get clients. Look how MCE, Angeli, and EEC got their girls LOL. Technically speaking, SB on SA are actually independent escorts but the owner of SA can't say that.
And yes, once the crackdown begins, SA will replace escort agencies. When that time comes, you will be remembering that this monger actually has a point.
I have trouble believing that the girls at the agencies you've mentioned are seeing that many people per day. I have used these agencies, and with my schedule, my appointments are generally arranged rather hastily and without much notice. I generally end up seeing who I want and at the time I want. If the girls are banging that many guys on the days they're on, I don't see how I could have my pick of girl and time as frequently as I do. I'm not saying you are wrong; I'm just asking for some additional explication.
I'm not mad that agencies exist. I've used them before and before SA went online.
What I just don't like about these pimps, MCE, Angelis, EEC that they treat their girls unfairly. The keep 50/50 cut, are forced to see 7-10 men in a day and they are forced to fuck the owners raw dog. Come on now. If they raw dog it, every monger that books a app should raw dog their girls. Some girls may say it's untrue but they are sugar coating it to keep their jobs.
Once the crackdown begins, everyone will be using SA since they have some cushion around the law, agencies don't.
All those questions you have asked can be answered if there was a review board for SB and SD. If there was, and the SB know that their reputation is on the line to make money, it would be a lot easier for us mongers to fuck new girls rather than using agencies. Since there isn't a review website, well you take risks on a SB girl.
It's the same risk as meeting a escorts on CL, BP, and using a agency such as MCE, Angelis, EEC. But most girls on SA are real and ready to fuck. Sure it takes effort, but it's worth it in the end.
Girls on SA can act as independent escorts and make twice the amount, if they have the knowledge on how to screen and know how to be under the radar on SA. SA is a great platform to advertise or be known to get clients. Look how MCE, Angeli, and EEC got their girls LOL. Technically speaking, SB on SA are actually independent escorts but the owner of SA can't say that.
And yes, once the crackdown begins, SA will replace escort agencies. When that time comes, you will be remembering that this monger actually has a point.You keep saying crackdown an dsomehow SA is immune from it. How exactly is SA any safer from a "crackdown"? It's advertised as girls seeking men with "money". If that's not screaming pay 4 se x then I don't know what is. I'm surprised not more mongers are voicing out concerns with it in the first place. Not only are the girls advertising themselves, but the mongers are putting themselves out there in the open risking themselves on stings. It's the most convenient place to mark all the possible johns. What failsafe does SA have thet makes it immune?
I have trouble believing that the girls at the agencies you've mentioned are seeing that many people per day. I have used these agencies, and with my schedule, my appointments are generally arranged rather hastily and without much notice. I generally end up seeing who I want and at the time I want. If the girls are banging that many guys on the days they're on, I don't see how I could have my pick of girl and time as frequently as I do. I'm not saying you are wrong; I'm just asking for some additional explication.It's a actual fact. I've asked the girls whom are no longer working in the agency and the ones that are currently working there. They have mentioned that they see 7-10 a day. And that's what MCE expects from them since they have "standards".
The popular girls that Homer Guy mentioned, they probably see 8-10 Plus a day. Kylie and Autumn have been around many blocks in the city for more than 2 years multiple times LOL. They're worn out hookers and they are considered old in the industry. Who wants to see girls such as Kylie and Autumn who have over 100 reviews separately on TER in addition to the reviews listed on this website? I wouldn't. Toooo many Dicks in that pussy, mouth and ass. That is why I stick with SA now because for the most part, the girls there are fresh so called glamorized hookers.
And to what homer guys says, both Kylie and Autumn if they worked independently, they can command 600-800 a hour, but unfortunately the girls don't know about the industry too much to be independents. And if kykie and Autumn takes 50/50 cut, that's sad because without Kylie and Autumn MCE wouldn't be where they are now.
All those questions you have asked can be answered if there was a review board for SB and SD. If there was, and the SB know that their reputation is on the line to make money, it would be a lot easier for us mongers to fuck new girls rather than using agencies. Since there isn't a review website, well you take risks on a SB girl.
It's the same risk as meeting a escorts on CL, BP, and using a agency such as MCE, Angelis, EEC. But most girls on SA are real and ready to fuck. Sure it takes effort, but it's worth it in the end.
Girls on SA can act as independent escorts and make twice the amount, if they have the knowledge on how to screen and know how to be under the radar on SA. SA is a great platform to advertise or be known to get clients. Look how MCE, Angeli, and EEC got their girls LOL. Technically speaking, SB on SA are actually independent escorts but the owner of SA can't say that.
And yes, once the crackdown begins, SA will replace escort agencies. When that time comes, you will be remembering that this monger actually has a point.There is, SB / SA girls are hookers. They don't fuck you unless you pay them so that makes them hookers. I know there is a popular delusion that they are not but they are. The "arrangement" they are seeking is a FINANCIAL arrangement.
Again, "sugar babies" with ads you can casually fuck are hookers, review them here.
A2.
You keep saying crackdown an dsomehow SA is immune from it. How exactly is SA any safer from a "crackdown"? It's advertised as girls seeking men with "money". If that's not screaming pay 4 se x then I don't know what is. I'm surprised not more mongers are voicing out concerns with it in the first place. Not only are the girls advertising themselves, but the mongers are putting themselves out there in the open risking themselves on stings. It's the most convenient place to mark all the possible johns. What failsafe does SA have thet makes it immune?They have the money to make themselves semi immune and they have lawyers to work around the legal system. Don't get me wrong, they can be shut down once the government cracks down on escorts websites or something similar to it like SA. But in the meantime they are still up and active. The app for SA on Apple wasn't active for awhile and somehow SA worked around it to get the app up again. Apple didn't want to be part of p4 p. But somehow they changed their views on SA.
SA is not backpage or or other websites similar to BP. SA takes higher precautions. As for agencies, well they don't have the same money as SA, and the law can crack down on agencies way easier than a big company such as SA.
They have the money to make themselves semi immune and they have lawyers to work around the legal system. Don't get me wrong, they can be shut down once the government cracks down on escorts websites or something similar to it like SA. But in the meantime they are still up and active. The app for SA on Apple wasn't active for awhile and somehow SA worked around it to get the app up again. Apple didn't want to be part of p4 p. But somehow they changed their views on SA.
SA is not backpage or or other websites similar to BP. SA takes higher precautions. As for agencies, well they don't have the same money as SA, and the law can crack down on agencies way easier than a big company such as SA.James Larkin had shit tons of fucking money. No money no honey, hookers. The delusion will end. End of story.
They have the money to make themselves semi immune and they have lawyers to work around the legal system. Don't get me wrong, they can be shut down once the government cracks down on escorts websites or something similar to it like SA. But in the meantime they are still up and active. The app for SA on Apple wasn't active for awhile and somehow SA worked around it to get the app up again. Apple didn't want to be part of p4 p. But somehow they changed their views on SA.
SA is not backpage or or other websites similar to BP. SA takes higher precautions. As for agencies, well they don't have the same money as SA, and the law can crack down on agencies way easier than a big company such as SA.If BP got closed down then I don't see how exactly is SA going to avoid the same fate. The safe harbor of the host not being responsible for it's user's content / actions is gone. All it takes is for the feds to suspect that Johns are soliciting the SBs. They catch enough Johns and they will "crackdown" on SA too. Lawyering up will only delay the inevitable.
Most especially_ concerning is that SA has already received media notoriety. So really, a good sample size is all it takes for them to have justification. The more notorious a site is, the faster will it fall to its demise. Lawyer or not.
If everyone is to thrive in this environment the only way to go is be under the radar. SA pretty much puts a big neon sign on top of the SBs and SDs head saying, hey look at us! An agency website can stay under the radar and do camouflaging themselves. And as long as they don't attract attention then they can exist. I doubt you can say the same for SA, if anything, I'm going to bet SA gets targeted first before agencies actually. At worst, agencies close down their website. The website is merely a convenient place to display their girls and rates which can be easily shared in a different platform (IE messaging apps). SA on the other hand exists as a medium to advertise SBs. No medium, no fun.
If BP got closed down then I don't see how exactly is SA going to avoid the same fate. The safe harbor of the host not being responsible for it's user's content / actions is gone. All it takes is for the feds to suspect that Johns are soliciting the SBs. They catch enough Johns and they will "crackdown" on SA too. Lawyering up will only delay the inevitable.
Most especially_ concerning is that SA has already received media notoriety. So really, a good sample size is all it takes for them to have justification. The more notorious a site is, the faster will it fall to its demise. Lawyer or not.
If everyone is to thrive in this environment the only way to go is be under the radar. SA pretty much puts a big neon sign on top of the SBs and SDs head saying, hey look at us! An agency website can stay under the radar and do camouflaging themselves. And as long as they don't attract attention then they can exist. I doubt you can say the same for SA, if anything, I'm going to bet SA gets targeted first before agencies actually. At worst, agencies close down their website. The website is merely a convenient place to display their girls and rates which can be easily shared in a different platform (IE messaging apps). SA on the other hand exists as a medium to advertise SBs. No medium, no fun.Good points but at the end of the day. Uncle Sam wants their money. And for the most part agencies don't report earnings that are p4 p. SA on the other hand, pays their taxes, and I'm most positive the government and media knows SB are selling themselves to SD, but look the other way for almost 12 years!
I mean shit, they attracted so much attention in 2006, they should have been taken down already since it's something forbidden in society but eventually it got accepted. Agencies on the other hand, well they can be secretive, but eventually they can be caught. Especially when the crack down begins. I think it will be agencies first then SA later.
JohnSnowChi
09-07-18, 01:23
Good points but at the end of the day. Uncle Sam wants their money. And for the most part agencies don't report earnings that are p4 p. SA on the other hand, pays their taxes, and I'm most positive the government and media knows SB are selling themselves to SD, but look the other way for almost 12 years!
I mean shit, they attracted so much attention in 2006, they should have been taken down already since it's something forbidden in society but eventually it got accepted. Agencies on the other hand, well they can be secretive, but eventually they can be caught. Especially when the crack down begins. I think it will be agencies first then SA later.I don't know what your objective is. Please stop. It's getting to a point where I don't like this site because you are so so annoying. And I have liked this site since I got into it. You don't kmow how agencies work, you have no idea of what's good for these girls but you go based on what you want. I love getting pussy for $350-500 hourly. I like that they know what's expecting. I don't want to do it like you so I don't go on the seeking arrangement part of this website. So Why don't you just go do your SA missions and leave us here to keep using this site for pussy and helping each other to know what pussy and hoofers are recommended. If you don't want to use Agencies just don't. Don't come on this site with your negativity as we will let you go do your Thrilling and exciting SA hunts so let us do our thing. Your sour attitude is repulsive.
Apologies A2 for this shit. We just want pussy.
FruitNinja
09-07-18, 07:12
Long time lurker just giving my cent. As a disclaimer I'm a newbie monger in Chicago and have used agencies only in the US. I've kept seeing SA being brought up in a lot of these replies and often times argued as a better alternative for agencies. While I do recognize the certain advantages one may find in SA, I just find it very disingenuous to say that SA will replace agencies, or that SA is even a direct competitor of agencies.
The business model between the two is obviously different although both target the same consumers. SA is set up as a dating site and just like many other dating sites share the same pitfalls. Namely: scams, stings, and overall unreliability. So I just visited the SA thread and lo and behold the first three pages discussion surrounds about the same three things that I've just mentioned: fear of scams, stings, and flakey / fake girls. And this the driving factor for why I on one hand shies away from SA.
In my head I ask these essential questions: if I see a girl's profile in SA, am I confident that I would be able to see her? If I see a girl I want in SA, am I confident that she is a legit provider? Yes or No? If I see a girl I want in SA, and after putting in the effort of "maybe" spending time with her, am I confident that will lead to some sexy times? Yes or No? Do all the girls in SA have standardized / uniform rate / expectations / SOP of what they expect from me? Am I to sift through hundreds, perhaps thousands of profiles asking the same questions over and over to just have some good time?
How is this any better from just looking at ads and doing the same shit test? For a chance to raw dog a hoo er? I'm not sure that's even a positive preference all the time in the first place. If she's willing to raw dog you for a couple of $$, then she's most possibly raw dogging hundreds of mongers too. I don't know about the standards here but when I was mongering in the Philippines (where selling se x is illegal) massage (brothel) girls get tested at least once a month, some every 2 weeks. And they don't even allow bareback. So this "positive" isn't exactly an unsurmountable preference that will sway one to a SA girl over an agency one.
Then comes an even more laughable plea for the girl's treatment: Serving 7 up to 10 guys a day to make about half of the rate (oh the humanity!
Let's just say for example that a provider's rate is 400 and she gets to keep half of it. She gets to see 7 guys in a day and she makes 1400. If she were in SA and charges _half_ of that for the same service, spends about _twice_ amount of time per appt, and even do bareback (wow! What a deal), then you're saying that she does all that _hardwork_ to essentially net the same amount of $. And since she has lower volume than an agency girl, her net $ will also be lower.
Does this sound like a total BS to any of you? Either you're truly concerned for the girls or you're a total dirtbag to them.First of all this game no matter what incineration is fraught with uncertainty. If you can't deal with that you need a wife or a girlfriend. Furthermore you lost all credibility with your assessment of the Philippines scene. I've been to the Philippines for many years straight. I even have an acquaintance from the US that runs a bar in AC. You're statement about girls getting tested is so off it's laughable.
DMichaels69
09-07-18, 08:00
Ain't nothing happening without giving these hookers money. Some get to caught up in their drama and believe whatever they say. Delusional thinking and high school level mentality.
James Larkin had shit tons of fucking money. No money no honey, hookers. The delusion will end. End of story.
Ain't nothing happening without giving these hookers money. Some get to caught up in their drama and believe whatever they say. Delusional thinking and high school level mentality.Too many dudes way too far down the rabbit hole.
I don't know what your objective is. Please stop. It's getting to a point where I don't like this site because you are so so annoying. And I have liked this site since I got into it. You don't kmow how agencies work, you have no idea of what's good for these girls but you go based on what you want. I love getting pussy for $350-500 hourly. I like that they know what's expecting. I don't want to do it like you so I don't go on the seeking arrangement part of this website. So Why don't you just go do your SA missions and leave us here to keep using this site for pussy and helping each other to know what pussy and hoofers are recommended. If you don't want to use Agencies just don't. Don't come on this site with your negativity as we will let you go do your Thrilling and exciting SA hunts so let us do our thing. Your sour attitude is repulsive.
Apologies A2 for this shit. We just want pussy.I have no objective. I just have to inform the mongers about how unfair agencies are to the girls and how SA will be the only thing left standing once the crack down begins.
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First of all this game no matter what incineration is fraught with uncertainty. If you can't deal with that you need a wife or a girlfriend. Furthermore you lost all credibility with your assessment of the Philippines scene. I've been to the Philippines for many years straight. I even have an acquaintance from the US that runs a bar in AC. You're statement about girls getting tested is so off it's laughable.Isn't SA advertised as a place for SD to date and f ck SB, or even presumably house them behind their wive's back? I minimize uncertainty and that's why I use agencies. Not the other way around; I'm not looking to play the game of picking up hoo ers. Your statement don't come as logical to me.
I don't know what you believe you know, but I don't go to Angeles City (too far) nor do I hook up w / bar girls. I only got to quezon ave (as it's conveniently close to where I lived) and only go to "reputable" massage brothels. Whatever you think you know, may be different from what I know. But hey, I could be wrong since my info came from my buddy who got me into mongering. And we're both horny college kids at that time.
Furthermore, I wasn't trying to prove or disprove anything with my statements, so once again I'm unsure what sort of legitimacy where you trying to gather from me, or if said legitimacy has any bearing to what I said.
I don't know what your objective is. Please stop. It's getting to a point where I don't like this site because you are so so annoying. And I have liked this site since I got into it. You don't kmow how agencies work, you have no idea of what's good for these girls but you go based on what you want. I love getting pussy for $350-500 hourly. I like that they know what's expecting. I don't want to do it like you so I don't go on the seeking arrangement part of this website. So Why don't you just go do your SA missions and leave us here to keep using this site for pussy and helping each other to know what pussy and hoofers are recommended. If you don't want to use Agencies just don't. Don't come on this site with your negativity as we will let you go do your Thrilling and exciting SA hunts so let us do our thing. Your sour attitude is repulsive.
Apologies A2 for this shit. We just want pussy.350-500 $ a hour can get you 2+ hours on SA. I may not know how agencies work but I do know some independent ladies who works as their own bosses. Both agencies and independents are similar when it comes to the business aspect.
What's good for the girls is not being fucked over and getting fucked by owners at agencies like MCE, Angelis and EEC.
I want my pussy to be treated right, and the pussy to get more than 50%.
FirstTimer7
09-08-18, 04:36
350-500 $ a hour can get you 2+ hours on SA. I may not know how agencies work but I do know some independent ladies who works as their own bosses. Both agencies and independents are similar when it comes to the business aspect.
What's good for the girls is not being fucked over and getting fucked by owners at agencies like MCE, Angelis and EEC.
I want my pussy to be treated right, and the pussy to get more than 50%.HA! Finally revealed yourself.
FruitNinja
09-08-18, 07:43
350-500 $ a hour can get you 2+ hours on SA. I may not know how agencies work but I do know some independent ladies who works as their own bosses. Both agencies and independents are similar when it comes to the business aspect.
What's good for the girls is not being fucked over and getting fucked by owners at agencies like MCE, Angelis and EEC.
I want my pussy to be treated right, and the pussy to get more than 50%.So you want your hookers like Kobe Beef?
350-500 $ a hour can get you 2+ hours on SA. I may not know how agencies work but I do know some independent ladies who works as their own bosses. Both agencies and independents are similar when it comes to the business aspect.
What's good for the girls is not being fucked over and getting fucked by owners at agencies like MCE, Angelis and EEC.
I want my pussy to be treated right, and the pussy to get more than 50%.I get it. You're selling pussy on SA.
I get it. You're selling pussy on SA.LOL. It's the complete opposite. I'm fucking pussy on SA. Those agencies listed are doing the same and marking up the value for you mongers, and those pussies are not treated well. Many dicks in those girls including the popular ones such as Autumn, Kylie, Megan, Summer. Their holes have taken too much poundings.
So you want your hookers like Kobe Beef?My hookers are like Filet Mignon.
350-500 $ a hour can get you 2+ hours on SA. I may not know how agencies work but I do know some independent ladies who works as their own bosses. Both agencies and independents are similar when it comes to the business aspect.
What's good for the girls is not being fucked over and getting fucked by owners at agencies like MCE, Angelis and EEC.
I want my pussy to be treated right, and the pussy to get more than 50%.I'm still confused at your math. If you're getting paid half the amount independently and are working twice the length of an appointment to net the same $ as an agency girl, how exactly are you better off financially? At best you could offer extra services like BBFS and maybe upcharge more, if that's a risk you're willing to take. (And yet you complain that agency owners bareback you?) So how much less traffic do you have independently? Are you netting more $$ independent or with an agency?
You're also right that some successful independents can upcharge their pussy up to $600 an hour. But unless you're some pornstar you're not going to command that many $$. Overall I don't see how exactly are you in a better place financially independent as you would have in an agency. I get you want to be your own boss but unless you want to make a career out of being a hooker then that means little. Get the money and get it quick, and pay off your student debts, then find a Job. Isn't that the goal?
I'm still confused at your math. If you're getting paid half the amount independently and are working twice the length of an appointment to net the same $ as an agency girl, how exactly are you better off financially? At best you could offer extra services like BBFS and maybe upcharge more, if that's a risk you're willing to take. (And yet you complain that agency owners bareback you?) So how much less traffic do you have independently? Are you netting more $$ independent or with an agency?
You're also right that some successful independents can upcharge their pussy up to $600 an hour. But unless you're some pornstar you're not going to command that many $$. Overall I don't see how exactly are you in a better place financially independent as you would have in an agency. I get you want to be your own boss but unless you want to make a career out of being a hooker then that means little. Get the money and get it quick, and pay off your student debts, then find a Job. Isn't that the goal?What makes you think I'm a independent hooker? I'm not, how the fuck do I know facts about the girls at MCE? Because I had booked them before and fucked them. I even fucked them outside of MCE.
As for the rates for SB. It's pretty much the same net, however if the SB act as a business they can fuck at 1 hour interval but I wouldn't like that. For example, MCE charges at 450 for a hour. Girl takes 225. If a regular SB with out the business mind set charges 450 for 2 hours. It's the same amount for one hour. However the website on SA nets much more clients than a regular agency. Now with a SB with a business mind set, they can charge 450 for one hour, and act as their own bosses on SA without having to fuck agency owners.
As far as independents charging 600 $ there are many out there and they aren't porn stars. Clients do book them. A porn star charges at upwards of 1,000 or more.
You haven't been in the Chicago hobby scene long enough to know about the hobby life. The two girls at MCE that I've mentioned with being around the block many times, well they can easily command 500 + a hour. Too bad that they get cut short and are treated unfairly.
What makes you think I'm a independent hooker? I'm not, how the fuck do I know facts about the girls at MCE? Because I had booked them before and fucked them. I even fucked them outside of MCE.
As for the rates for SB. It's pretty much the same net, however if the SB act as a business they can fuck at 1 hour interval but I wouldn't like that. For example, MCE charges at 450 for a hour. Girl takes 225. If a regular SB with out the business mind set charges 450 for 2 hours. It's the same amount for one hour. However the website on SA nets much more clients than a regular agency. Now with a SB with a business mind set, they can charge 450 for one hour, and act as their own bosses on SA without having to fuck agency owners.
As far as independents charging 600 $ there are many out there and they aren't porn stars. Clients do book them. A porn star charges at upwards of 1,000 or more.
You haven't been in the Chicago hobby scene long enough to know about the hobby life. The two girls at MCE that I've mentioned with being around the block many times, well they can easily command 500 + a hour. Too bad that they get cut short and are treated unfairly.On one hand you try to entice guys to go to SA for cheaper hookers and possibly bareback them. You, by your own suggestion wants us to exploit the girls from SA who, in your own words, don't have the business acumen to start an independent hooker career nor the idea how "expensive" they should be. Then on the other hand you try to upsell girls, who again from your own words, are already 'used up and old' and say that they should command upwards of $500 instead.
This cognitive dissonance is beyond irrational. Either you want the girls to remain inexpensive on SA, or you could stop complaining how much money agency girls are losing, when by the end of the day they're netting the same $$ as an SB which you advocate for their cheapness. It seems to me that you just want the girls to get out of agencies so you could exploit them yourself. In particular MCE girls. I also find it laughable that you have such a particular fixation on owners fucking his hookers. Is there a hooker code there somewhere that forbids this that I'm missing?
Also, porn starlets are relatively cheaper nowadays. Upwards of $1000 is reserved for bigger names. Yes, there are girls out there who upsell themselves to $600. They're also older and have made a career out of being an actual escort.
I'm still confused at your math. If you're getting paid half the amount independently and are working twice the length of an appointment to net the same $ as an agency girl, how exactly are you better off financially? At best you could offer extra services like BBFS and maybe upcharge more, if that's a risk you're willing to take. (And yet you complain that agency owners bareback you?) So how much less traffic do you have independently? Are you netting more $$ independent or with an agency?
You're also right that some successful independents can upcharge their pussy up to $600 an hour. But unless you're some pornstar you're not going to command that many $$. Overall I don't see how exactly are you in a better place financially independent as you would have in an agency. I get you want to be your own boss but unless you want to make a career out of being a hooker then that means little. Get the money and get it quick, and pay off your student debts, then find a Job. Isn't that the goal?Seems like the girls at MCE, Angelis, and EEC are making a career out of it as several have been around many city blocks fucking cocks for more than 2 years! You state get the money quick and pay off student loan debt and find a job. Well how is that possible if those agencies especially MCE is taking 50%? It should be less than that. You do know that without the girls spreading their legs there wouldn't be agencies? The hookers are the bread and butter within agencies. Owners won't spread their legs, in fact they spread their girls legs so they can have a job. Unethical In my opinion. You don't dip your pen in company ink, if you do, it will come back to you in a negative way.
LOL. It's the complete opposite. I'm fucking pussy on SA. Those agencies listed are doing the same and marking up the value for you mongers, and those pussies are not treated well. Many dicks in those girls including the popular ones such as Autumn, Kylie, Megan, Summer. Their holes have taken too much poundings.Just to be clear, I believe you are a guy using SA to sell pussy.
Just to be clear, I believe you are a guy using SA to sell pussy.I am a guy fucking girls on SA. Way better options and way more pussy than using agencies that cut their girls short and unfairly such as MCE, Angelis and EEC.
Call Me Slappy
10-23-18, 22:56
When exchanging info via PMs, please take into consideration that the person you're corresponding with, may in fact have a life.
Shocking, I know.
Hey thanks for not giving me any info even after i confirmed your question. Youre a real class act.
I got this in my inbox after I failed to respond within 24 hours. How dare I! I'm sorry my job and personal life got in the way of a timely response.
Ya know, I do wish I had nothing better to do then hang here all day when I'm not out nailing providers answering questions from other forum members.
Because that would mean I'm independently wealthy, didn't need to be gainfully employed, and I had the world by the balls. I wouldn't just be doing 2 hand massages, I'd be doing 8 hands, bitches! 5 ways with an agency's entire lineup! Life would be good!
Sadly I do not. Some days the world has me by the balls. Such is life.
And on those days, the last thing I need is some whiny ass complaining I didn't jump through his hoops. Kindly go eat a bag of dicks.
To the rest of you n00 bs, don't be this guy.
ChineseDragon
10-24-18, 00:31
When exchanging info via PMs, please take into consideration that the person you're corresponding with, may in fact have a life.
Shocking, I know.
I got this in my inbox after I failed to respond within 24 hours. How dare I! I'm sorry my job and personal life got in the way of a timely response.
Ya know, I do wish I had nothing better to do then hang here all day when I'm not out nailing providers answering questions from other forum members.
Because that would mean I'm independently wealthy, didn't need to be gainfully employed, and I had the world by the balls. I wouldn't just be doing 2 hand massages, I'd be doing 8 hands, bitches! 5 ways with an agency's entire lineup! Life would be good!
Sadly I do not. Some days the world has me by the balls. Such is life.
And on those days, the last thing I need is some whiny ass complaining I didn't jump through his hoops. Kindly go eat a bag of dicks.
To the rest of you n00 bs, don't be this guy.I agree with you 100 percent. Had guys yelling at me because I didn't respond right away.
But still bullshit, it's the internet, there are assholes. Don't put up posts in the real threads just to tell people there are trolls on the internet.
Delete his pm, block him and move on.
A2
When exchanging info via PMs, please take into consideration that the person you're corresponding with, may in fact have a life.
Shocking, I know.
I got this in my inbox after I failed to respond within 24 hours. How dare I! I'm sorry my job and personal life got in the way of a timely response.
Ya know, I do wish I had nothing better to do then hang here all day when I'm not out nailing providers answering questions from other forum members.
Because that would mean I'm independently wealthy, didn't need to be gainfully employed, and I had the world by the balls. I wouldn't just be doing 2 hand massages, I'd be doing 8 hands, bitches! 5 ways with an agency's entire lineup! Life would be good!
Sadly I do not. Some days the world has me by the balls. Such is life.
And on those days, the last thing I need is some whiny ass complaining I didn't jump through his hoops. Kindly go eat a bag of dicks.
To the rest of you n00 bs, don't be this guy.
Call Me Slappy
10-24-18, 10:34
But still bullshit, it's the internet, there are assholes. Don't put up posts in the real threads just to tell people there are trolls on the internet.
Delete his pm, block him and move on.
A2I'm hoping he reads the post, realizes his error, and makes amends. Call it a "teaching moment " with the hope we add a valuable contributor instead of an asshat? That is why the offender was not named.
And if he doesn't, then yes, blocked he will be.
Mag, you are one of the most reliable reviews on any board. I tried to take your word and schedule a 15 min BBBJCIM but I just cqnr bring myself to do it. Sorry, but she just looks to much like a boy.We all have our own limits and what we like. She doesn't do quick visits anyway. Stick with what you like. P.S. It's too not to! Thanks for sharing your opinion!
....too not to!Thanks for the grammar lesson. I tend to only focus on such items for important things. That man looking chick doesn't rate.
Thanks for the grammar lesson. I tend to only focus on such items for important things. That man looking chick doesn't rate.Never apologize to the "grammar police", especially on a site such as this.
Thanks for the grammar lesson. I tend to only focus on such items for important things. That man looking chick doesn't rate.You're quite welcome! Just another unwanted service I provide! Have a good one!
You're quite welcome! Just another unwanted service I provide! Have a good one!If you don't soon learn to do that shit on the fight thread you will be losing the ability to quote other members posts.
Stupid shit like that has already created 4 unneeded posts in a review thread and cost me 5 minutes. I'm not trying to be a monster penis but people can't tell if ribbing is good humored when it's done in print.
A2
Call Me Slappy
11-09-18, 13:19
I'm not trying to be a monster penis but people can't tell if ribbing is good humored when it's done in print.
A2Monster Penis?
I think I saw them at the Aragon Brawlroom in the early 90's, opened for Soundgarden I think.
<LarryTheCableGuyVoice>Now that's some funny stuff right thar!</LarryTheCableGuyVoice>
Thanks, I'm here all week...
If you don't soon learn to do that shit on the fight thread you will be losing the ability to quote other members posts.
Stupid shit like that has already created 4 unneeded posts in a review thread and cost me 5 minutes. I'm not trying to be a monster penis but people can't tell if ribbing is good humored when it's done in print.
A2I was joking! Point taken and I'll reserve such comments to PM's. Not trying to stir shit up. Thanks for the advice.
I was joking! Point taken and I'll reserve such comments to PM's. Not trying to stir shit up. Thanks for the advice.Post the douchey shit here. It's entertaining. Guys can't tell you're laughing while you're typing so when you correct grammar you're always going to piss them off.
Post the douchey shit here. It's entertaining. Guys can't tell you're laughing while you're typing so when you correct grammar you're always going to piss them off.We need the smilies to come back.
I don't think we ever had them, the software doesn't draw them. I'd figure out a way to do it but people go fucking nuts with them. Remember backpage? You couldn't read ads through all that bullshit.
A2
Post the douchey shit here. It's entertaining. Guys can't tell you're laughing while you're typing so when you correct grammar you're always going to piss them off.I forgot about this section. It's all about having fun and sharing information. I took an opportunity to make light of someone making what I felt to be disparaging comments about a tried and true good provider. I have very thick skin and take it as much as I occasionally dish out. Thank you!
I hope weed and light weight drugs do get legalized along with prostitution. Then they could close the privatized institutions or create a place for illegal entrants to this great country! Plenty of cheap free labor pool.So you're down with slavery? Given the decline in birthrate instead of building a wall we should be taking that money and sending people south to recruit and teach English.
The thing the "only enter legally" people either don't know or don't give a shit about is post 911 it's nearly impossible for a brown person to gain legal entry in the US. We could solve that problem overnight though if we wanted to. Fine anybody who employs an undocumented worker 100,000 for the first, 200,000 for the second, 400,000 for the third ect.
In a week there would be no undocumented labor.
Of course there wouldn't be any construction, restaurants unless you ate on paper plates, fresh vegetables, or fresh fruit unless you wanted to pay around 10 X the current price.
If anybody ever really manages to stem that tide you will be on your knees begging for them to come back in 3 months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYJcfhxMkrQ
A2.
Oh and P.S., you're going to want those latin hookers. Compared to Colombians and Paraguayans the locals will lack spice. You can believe that.
This is the one I've been spending time with lately brush up on your spanish boys.
https://www.sexysabor.com/shantal-15-2487-7258/
So you're down with slavery? Given the decline in birthrate instead of building a wall we should be taking that money and sending people south to recruit and teach English.
The thing the "only enter legally" people either don't know or don't give a shit about is post 911 it's nearly impossible for a brown person to gain legal entry in the US. We could solve that problem overnight though if we wanted to. Fine anybody who employs an undocumented worker 100,000 for the first, 200,000 for the second, 400,000 for the third ect.
In a week there would be no undocumented labor.
Of course there wouldn't be any construction, restaurants unless you ate on paper plates, fresh vegetables, or fresh fruit unless you wanted to pay around 10 X the current price.
If anybody ever really manages to stem that tide you will be on your knees begging for them to come back in 3 months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYJcfhxMkrQ
A2.
Oh and P.S., you're going to want those latin hookers. Compared to Colombians and Paraguayans the locals will lack spice. You can believe that.
This is the one I've been spending time with lately brush up on your spanish boys.
https://www.sexysabor.com/shantal-15-2487-7258/I thought politics were off limits on this site?
I thought politics were off limits on this site?Just maybe, you might want to look at the title of the thread.
I moved this stuff here.
DomCorazon
11-11-18, 23:07
I thought politics were off limits on this site?Thanks alot A2. I want to be in Argentina. Nothing compares.
https://www.sexysabor.com/shantal-15-2487-7258/
Tell her to take a vacation in Chicago. PLEASE!
ReadyForRub
11-12-18, 13:46
Thanks alot A2. I want to be in Argentina. Nothing compares.
https://www.sexysabor.com/shantal-15-2487-7258/
Tell her to take a vacation in Chicago. PLEASE!I thought it was a blow-up doll.
ReadyForRub
11-12-18, 13:49
So you're down with slavery? Given the decline in birthrate instead of building a wall we should be taking that money and sending people south to recruit and teach English.
The thing the "only enter legally" people either don't know or don't give a shit about is post 911 it's nearly impossible for a brown person to gain legal entry in the US. We could solve that problem overnight though if we wanted to. Fine anybody who employs an undocumented worker 100,000 for the first, 200,000 for the second, 400,000 for the third ect.
In a week there would be no undocumented labor.
Of course there wouldn't be any construction, restaurants unless you ate on paper plates, fresh vegetables, or fresh fruit unless you wanted to pay around 10 X the current price.
If anybody ever really manages to stem that tide you will be on your knees begging for them to come back in 3 months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYJcfhxMkrQ
A2.
Oh and P.S., you're going to want those latin hookers. Compared to Colombians and Paraguayans the locals will lack spice. You can believe that.
This is the one I've been spending time with lately brush up on your spanish boys.
https://www.sexysabor.com/shantal-15-2487-7258/Why is it illegals drive down the cost of labor for landscaping, restaurants, and child care; but don't have the same powers over getting someone off? Something strange is going on.
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No you can't, the thread for the specific stupidity you posted is
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?23312-American-Politics-During-the-Trump-Presidency
Go, troll, have fun
A2
Why is it illegals drive down the cost of labor for landscaping, restaurants, and child care; but don't have the same powers over getting someone off? Something strange is going on.Supply and demand. There are enough of us, and not enough of them to drive the rates lower than the $130 hhr. At the China town apts.
ReadyForRub
11-13-18, 16:16
Supply and demand. There are enough of us, and not enough of them to drive the rates lower than the $130 hhr. At the China town apts.I find it hard to understand why there is no supply from the Southern border.
This is the one I've been spending time with lately brush up on your spanish boys.
https://www.sexysabor.com/shantal-15-2487-7258/Ayy, mami!! Those tits alone make me want to make a run for the border!
Never apologize to the "grammar police", especially on a site such as this.Hey Tela. Oh how I hate it when my sarcasm is wasted on our yoots! I was making fun of someone who was continuing to make disparaging comments about a tried and true provider. No more, no less.
Ok if you guys follow my comments you'll see that I was replying to the guy who said a HSW on 5th on a dead night but he had a bad feeling about her and he passed, so I'm obviously referring to the 5th street area with the description he mentioned.
Second, no I didn't gave her the money before I gave the money after I unzipped my pants, then she started with her I need weed and a cigarette BS, I know what that means, it means trouble, something that I'm trying to avoid at all cost because I do have a lot to lose, unlike her. I'm not going to risk it to get arrested or worse just for 20,50, or even 100 bucks. At the end of the day I drove back on my 50 k car to my 300 k suburb home with my wife and kids while they keep rotting away on the streets, so fuck them.
But since most guys are such an experts on picking up hookers (you must be so proud LOL) my comments were driven far away from the point.
Good night.Kind of a sad story bruh. Wife and kids at home and yet you seek out these sorts of providers? Looks like it's you "that must be so proud" LBVS.
Kind of a sad story bruh. Wife and kids at home and yet you seek out these sorts of providers? Looks like it's you "that must be so proud" LBVS.Never said I was proud, in fact I keep it as a filthy secret and whatever reason keep us here is none of your fucking business, mate. Or what are you looking for?
George Stark
12-06-18, 12:03
Kind of a sad story bruh. Wife and kids at home and yet you seek out these sorts of providers? Looks like it's you "that must be so proud" LBVS.You're here to get all judgemental? That's pretty fucking funny. Why are you here at all?
Ok if you guys follow my comments you'll see that I was replying to the guy who said a HSW on 5th on a dead night but he had a bad feeling about her and he passed, so I'm obviously referring to the 5th street area with the description he mentioned.
Second, no I didn't gave her the money before I gave the money after I unzipped my pants, then she started with her I need weed and a cigarette BS, I know what that means, it means trouble, something that I'm trying to avoid at all cost because I do have a lot to lose, unlike her. I'm not going to risk it to get arrested or worse just for 20,50, or even 100 bucks. At the end of the day I drove back on my 50 k car to my 300 k suburb home with my wife and kids while they keep rotting away on the streets, so fuck them.
But since most guys are such an experts on picking up hookers (you must be so proud LOL) my comments were driven far away from the point.
Good night.When you have to start flexing your 50 k car and 300 k home you know you're mad. Why are you trying to impress us.
When you have to start flexing your 50 k car and 300 k home you know you're mad. Why are you trying to impress us.Haha.
But can't we all get along.
But so true.
Ok if you guys follow my comments you'll see that I was replying to the guy who said a HSW on 5th on a dead night but he had a bad feeling about her and he passed, so I'm obviously referring to the 5th street area with the description he mentioned.
Second, no I didn't gave her the money before I gave the money after I unzipped my pants, then she started with her I need weed and a cigarette BS, I know what that means, it means trouble, something that I'm trying to avoid at all cost because I do have a lot to lose, unlike her. I'm not going to risk it to get arrested or worse just for 20,50, or even 100 bucks. At the end of the day I drove back on my 50 k car to my 300 k suburb home with my wife and kids while they keep rotting away on the streets, so fuck them.
But since most guys are such an experts on picking up hookers (you must be so proud LOL) my comments were driven far away from the point.
Good night.Don't be upset and consider that as a lesson. You are a brave man because the majority of us had some shameful experience, although not too many are willing to share. So, just don't give them any money before the action and good luck, stay safe.
BitterRoot56
12-06-18, 15:01
Don't be upset and consider that as a lesson. You are a brave man because the majority of us had some shameful experience, although not too many are willing to share. So, just don't give them any money before the action and good luck, stay safe.Agreed. I will say no more because it is the truth. Always be safe out there. Better safe than sorry. BitterRoot over and out.
When you have to start flexing your 50 k car and 300 k home you know you're mad. Why are you trying to impress us.The 50 K and 300 K statement doesn't bother me so much (since those munbers don't impress me in the least), it's his wishing ill-will on the streetwalkers.
I've always thought if someone gets scammed in this racket it is most certainly his fault.
I'm not mad for the loss, it's a shame that 5th is full of scammers now, but I couldn't care less, again I was sharing my experience to beware some of the users gere, but theres always the drama bitches trying to play smart.
I never flexed my stuff to any of you guys, if anything will be to those rip-off bitches who think they fool us when they steal shit from us, so keep your sense of inferiority to yourself, please LOL.
George Stark
12-07-18, 02:30
The 50 K and 300 K statement doesn't bother me so much (since those munbers don't impress me in the least), it's his wishing ill-will on the streetwalkers.
I've always thought if someone gets scammed in this racket it is most certainly his fault.I've got nothing against streetwalkers. I've had a lot of fun with them over the years. Most of them just want to do the job and get paid. But scammers can all FOAD and I don't give a shit if anybody disagrees.
And really, the inability to anticipate every possible scam or just lousy situation (e. G. The * is too fucked up for words and you have to pay her to get her out of the car, to avoid resort to violence) - that's all the monger's fault? What a load of shit.
The 50 K and 300 K statement doesn't bother me so much (since those munbers don't impress me in the least), it's his wishing ill-will on the streetwalkers.
I've always thought if someone gets scammed in this racket it is most certainly his fault.It doesn't seem like he's wishing ill will on all walkers, just the scammers which is fine with me. The guy is right. The men tend to have more to lose than them which is why they can get away with what they do.
I've always thought if someone gets scammed in this racket it is most certainly his fault.Well I believe its our fault knowing that we are dealing with addicts (desperate liars) in the first place but whose fault is it when a SW gets raped, beaten or robbed? I guess they're to blame. Its like you're saying we deserved to be betrayed when its an agreement between 2 adults. WTF?
I learned early on that SW's are bad news! I was getting my dick sucked in a Rush Street alley. Young, dumb and drunk. I woke up the next morning at home and realized my money was gone. That was the last time for me. Most SW's are pick pockets and will fuck You without having sex!
LipstickOnMe
01-18-19, 23:32
How does having a snap of a monger going inside a Hotel mean so little?
Look it this way, if MCE ever gets caught, which is highly likely, the pictures and video stored on the phones or whatever device that's stored in, can still be accessed and then cross referenced with the written client information and IDs provided. All of that is worrisome for fellow mongers. Pictures and video can be leaked, and all the married men, would pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars in legal fines, spousal support and child support.
Information provided to escort agencies are never deleted, they store it somewhere else. Do you think a agency like MCE would delete 10 k client information. Highly doubt it.
So it's a big deal.
The office staff doesn't have to be at all hotels that the girls are in, they can be at a few or just one hotel to take pictures or video of clients entering the hotel.
This is part of the agency thread # 1009.
You said you have screencaps then post it. No need of this speculating. Once again, videos are too much effort and resource intensive. MCE doesn't need it. Records of the booking process is leverage enough. Between the two, that is a stronger evidence.
MCE have like 8 girls downtown and 4 at o'hare daily. Ofcourse no agency worth its salt would place all of its girls on the same hotel. But let's just assume MCE is stupid and they put all their girls on the same hotel. They would require at least one full time guy downtown taking pics from 9 to 11 and another one at o'hare, 7 days a week. This is the least amount of effort you'll require just to replicate your story.
Some of these shills must think we're not very bright.
Jimmy Dean76
01-19-19, 11:39
How does having a snap of a monger going inside a Hotel mean so little?
Look it this way, if MCE ever gets caught, which is highly likely, the pictures and video stored on the phones or whatever device that's stored in, can still be accessed and then cross referenced with the written client information and IDs provided. All of that is worrisome for fellow mongers. Pictures and video can be leaked, and all the married men, would pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars in legal fines, spousal support and child support.
Information provided to escort agencies are never deleted, they store it somewhere else. Do you think a agency like MCE would delete 10 k client information. Highly doubt it.
So it's a big deal.
The office staff doesn't have to be at all hotels that the girls are in, they can be at a few or just one hotel to take pictures or video of clients entering the hotel.
This is part of the agency thread # 1009.Same can be said for any agency or independent that screens brother, sounds like you exclusively have a problem with just one agency, how about you leave some reviews for EEC then the rest of us can decide where the best hoofers are, until then you are going off on one agency and haven't talked about any pussy.
FruitNinja
01-19-19, 15:20
How does having a snap of a monger going inside a Hotel mean so little?
Look it this way, if MCE ever gets caught, which is highly likely, the pictures and video stored on the phones or whatever device that's stored in, can still be accessed and then cross referenced with the written client information and IDs provided. All of that is worrisome for fellow mongers. Pictures and video can be leaked, and all the married men, would pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars in legal fines, spousal support and child support.
Information provided to escort agencies are never deleted, they store it somewhere else. Do you think a agency like MCE would delete 10 k client information. Highly doubt it.
So it's a big deal.
The office staff doesn't have to be at all hotels that the girls are in, they can be at a few or just one hotel to take pictures or video of clients entering the hotel.
This is part of the agency thread # 1009.All Agencies keep information. It's common knowledge if you read the news. I don't see why a picture of a guy going into hotel for a "meeting" is a big deal. I do it all the time. I highly doubt that MCE pays a guy to sit at all the hotels to get pictures of guys coming in. I'm still calling BS.
LipstickOnMe
01-19-19, 21:28
You said you have screencaps then post it. No need of this speculating. Once again, videos are too much effort and resource intensive. MCE doesn't need it. Records of the booking process is leverage enough. Between the two, that is a stronger evidence.
MCE have like 8 girls downtown and 4 at o'hare daily. Ofcourse no agency worth its salt would place all of its girls on the same hotel. But let's just assume MCE is stupid and they put all their girls on the same hotel. They would require at least one full time guy downtown taking pics from 9 to 11 and another one at o'hare, 7 days a week. This is the least amount of effort you'll require just to replicate your story.
Some of these shills must think we're not very bright.I can post the screenshots and post more information about MCE, then you mongers would be able to connect everything together. However, I'm not competition as you guys think. I can post it up when I please, but I rather have competition deal with MCE. Competition can do much worser things than I. Doesn't mean I won't post it, it's the matter of when. Markus and Andra, they are just novice people in the industry they have made so many mistakes they don't know, but I digress.
You guys need to read my post, I've stated that MCE did the recordings and taking of pics in the past when they were CEC. There was a typo in the word past under agency thread. MCE has connections to the Hotel mangers in Chicago, they can easily give videos of clients entering the hotel and leaving. Markus has to bribe the men manning the stations somehow, either discounts with his girls or something else just so the girls won't be busted.
To FruitNinja. If you aren't married, sure it's not a big deal. But if the mongers are married, likely 90% of us are using escorts. The pictures and video are time stamped. So if the list is exposed and the spouses wants to know if their husbands wasn't telling the truth about staying late for work or for whatever reason of a excuse. Well, that time stamp photo or video entering the Hotel with the list exposed can connect together. Then the wifey won't be happy at all.
DMichaels69
01-19-19, 23:16
Who would MCE expose the alleged list to? Why would they expose it? Would they blackmail the mongers? Not following your point.
I can post the screenshots and post more information about MCE, then you mongers would be able to connect everything together. However, I'm not competition as you guys think. I can post it up when I please, but I rather have competition deal with MCE. Competition can do much worser things than I. Doesn't mean I won't post it, it's the matter of when. Markus and Andra, they are just novice people in the industry they have made so many mistakes they don't know, but I digress.
You guys need to read my post, I've stated that MCE did the recordings and taking of pics in the past when they were CEC. There was a typo in the word past under agency thread. MCE has connections to the Hotel mangers in Chicago, they can easily give videos of clients entering the hotel and leaving. Markus has to bribe the men manning the stations somehow, either discounts with his girls or something else just so the girls won't be busted.
To FruitNinja. If you aren't married, sure it's not a big deal. But if the mongers are married, likely 90% of us are using escorts. The pictures and video are time stamped. So if the list is exposed and the spouses wants to know if their husbands wasn't telling the truth about staying late for work or for whatever reason of a excuse. Well, that time stamp photo or video entering the Hotel with the list exposed can connect together. Then the wifey won't be happy at all.
LipstickOnMe
01-19-19, 23:39
Who would MCE expose the alleged list to? Why would they expose it? Would they blackmail the mongers? Not following your point.OMG, you mongers can't think.
When MCE gets caught, if and when they do get caught. It's only a matter of time. Referring to agency thread post # 975. MCE the owner, Markus states to Hi99.
Lastly, thank you for your post because at the end of the day there is no marketing that's bad. We have hundreds if not thousands of clients that have experienced our agency and are satisfied with the level of service, professionalism, and safety. ".
There is Marketing that is bad. Especially the one above. You think law enforcement doesn't see this and MCE emails? Jeeze!
The list can get exposed, and it's highly likely or unlikely it can be leaked out. MCE can blackmail clients as they have clients info, video and photos. It has happened in the past that they had to take care of several mongers bad behavior.
AToledoRo100
01-19-19, 23:42
I can post the screenshots and post more information about MCE, then you mongers would be able to connect everything together. However, I'm not competition as you guys think. I can post it up when I please, but I rather have competition deal with MCE. Competition can do much worser things than I. Doesn't mean I won't post it, it's the matter of when. Markus and Andra, they are just novice people in the industry they have made so many mistakes they don't know, but I digress.
You guys need to read my post, I've stated that MCE did the recordings and taking of pics in the past when they were CEC. There was a typo in the word past under agency thread. MCE has connections to the Hotel mangers in Chicago, they can easily give videos of clients entering the hotel and leaving. Markus has to bribe the men manning the stations somehow, either discounts with his girls or something else just so the girls won't be busted.
To FruitNinja. If you aren't married, sure it's not a big deal. But if the mongers are married, likely 90% of us are using escorts. The pictures and video are time stamped. So if the list is exposed and the spouses wants to know if their husbands wasn't telling the truth about staying late for work or for whatever reason of a excuse. Well, that time stamp photo or video entering the Hotel with the list exposed can connect together. Then the wifey won't be happy at all.I'm confused. In your previous posts, you stated that they were taking pictures and recording as we enter / leave, as in assuming Andra and Markus. Now you're saying they are bribing hotels to share images from their security cameras with MCE so Mce then stores them? So which one is the story because it looks like you're looking track of the lies LOL.
Seriously though. Post the proof that supports your allegations or move along, brother.
So MCE isn't really taking videos right now after I pointed what a huge waste of time it is. Okay.
You still haven't addressed why a video is any more a leverage than records of the booking. If MCE wants to blackmail mongers, like what you seem to be implying to, then why again waste effort on pics of mongers entering a hotel when they could just show the conversation?
Previously you seem to be implying that MCE was hiring someone to do all the snooping, all of a sudden they have access to hotel cameras after all. The plot thickens.
Why not post the sceeencaps now? After all you're so concerned about us mongers that you want us to avoid MCE. Well now is the chance to scare mongers away. If competition have something then they wouldn't hesitate to use it, like you're doing right now. Your logic does not follow.
So MCE isn't really taking videos right now after I pointed what a huge waste of time it is. Okay.
You still haven't addressed why a video is any more a leverage than records of the booking. If MCE wants to blackmail mongers, like what you seem to be implying to, then why again waste effort on pics of mongers entering a hotel when they could just show the conversation?
Previously you seem to be implying that MCE was hiring someone to do all the snooping, all of a sudden they have access to hotel cameras after all. The plot thickens.
Why not post the sceeencaps now? After all you're so concerned about us mongers that you want us to avoid MCE. Well now is the chance to scare mongers away. If competition have something then they wouldn't hesitate to use it, like you're doing right now. Your logic does not follow.I was threatened one time by MCE, for asking one of their girls a question. When I asked her that question, she didn't seemed bothered at all. She kindly said no to my request and we continued to have a great time in our session. Then 10 minutes after I leave the room and head to my car, I received a text message from one of the bookers threatening me to not ever ask that question again or else they would send "security" up to confront me. And I thought that was the weirdest thing ever said to me by an agency. I don't think the girl I saw snitched on me, because she seemed to enjoy the session as much as I did. I don't want to say what I asked or which girl I saw, because I don't want to get in more trouble or blacklisted by this agency, because I believe this is the best agency in the city model-wise. But I just remembered reading that threat on telegram made me think they were listening and monitoring our session.
Reading this story was rather confusing. Perhaps I didn't go far enough back in the thread. From what the last few posts seem to imply, someone is accusing an agency of what? Getting hotel staff to provide security footage to an agency? Having a guy onsite films customers entering hotels? Seems pretty far-fetched since its far simpler to hide a security camera in the room. That would be a form of protection against bad behavior, and of course information that could be used for blackmail purposes. And yes, a picture is worth a thousand words. I've never gone to a hotel with an agency girl. Always seemed too risky, especially when a friend would go to a hotel for free.
So MCE isn't really taking videos right now after I pointed what a huge waste of time it is. Okay.
You still haven't addressed why a video is any more a leverage than records of the booking. If MCE wants to blackmail mongers, like what you seem to be implying to, then why again waste effort on pics of mongers entering a hotel when they could just show the conversation?
Previously you seem to be implying that MCE was hiring someone to do all the snooping, all of a sudden they have access to hotel cameras after all. The plot thickens.
Why not post the sceeencaps now? After all you're so concerned about us mongers that you want us to avoid MCE. Well now is the chance to scare mongers away. If competition have something then they wouldn't hesitate to use it, like you're doing right now. Your logic does not follow.
Reading this story was rather confusing. Perhaps I didn't go far enough back in the thread. From what the last few posts seem to imply, someone is accusing an agency of what? Getting hotel staff to provide security footage to an agency? Having a guy onsite films customers entering hotels? Seems pretty far-fetched since its far simpler to hide a security camera in the room. That would be a form of protection against bad behavior, and of course information that could be used for blackmail purposes. And yes, a picture is worth a thousand words. I've never gone to a hotel with an agency girl. Always seemed too risky, especially when a friend would go to a hotel for free.The original allegation is that an MCE staff is snooping at hotel recording mongers entering hotels. Seeing how irrational that notion is, the allegation now evolved that MCE is secretly working with hotels to access their cameras.
Is it possible to record videos inside the room? Yes. Do you have confidence that some of these girls have the wits to do that? What if one of the mongers found out? Would you leave a girl in the same room as an irate dude? Seriously, what is the less riskier path for all parties involved? The goal is to protect the girls, not endanger them.
I don't know with you but some of you guys come up with holywood stories to make hobbying more fantastical and complicated than it is. Again, screencap of the booking process itself is the strongest evidence an agency needs.
Also for the guy that got snitched on by the girl, that's exactly what probably happened. How loud was your request? Were you perhaps speaking at a mic? LOL.
DMichaels69
01-20-19, 19:17
I don't get what the point of it was but this forum section title says it all. LOL.
The original allegation is that an MCE staff is snooping at hotel recording mongers entering hotels. Seeing how irrational that notion is, the allegation now evolved that MCE is secretly working with hotels to access their cameras.
Is it possible to record videos inside the room? Yes. Do you have confidence that some of these girls have the wits to do that? What if one of the mongers found out? Would you leave a girl in the same room as an irate dude? Seriously, what is the less riskier path for all parties involved? The goal is to protect the girls, not endanger them.
I don't know with you but some of you guys come up with holywood stories to make hobbying more fantastical and complicated than it is. Again, screencap of the booking process itself is the strongest evidence an agency needs.
Also for the guy that got snitched on by the girl, that's exactly what probably happened. How loud was your request? Were you perhaps speaking at a mic? LOL.
Reading this story was rather confusing. Perhaps I didn't go far enough back in the thread. From what the last few posts seem to imply, someone is accusing an agency of what? Getting hotel staff to provide security footage to an agency? Having a guy onsite films customers entering hotels? Seems pretty far-fetched since its far simpler to hide a security camera in the room. That would be a form of protection against bad behavior, and of course information that could be used for blackmail purposes. And yes, a picture is worth a thousand words. I've never gone to a hotel with an agency girl. Always seemed too risky, especially when a friend would go to a hotel for free.
I can post the screenshots and post more information about MCE, then you mongers would be able to connect everything together. I can post it up when I please, Doesn't mean I won't post it, it's the matter of when.Classic Avoidance Technique. LOL.
So if the list is exposed and the spouses wants to know if their husbands wasn't telling the truth about staying late for work or for whatever reason of a excuse. Then the wifey won't be happy at all.How is Wifey going to get it? Agencies, big and small, have been busted before. The guys who've frequented those agencies will sweat it, but LE has shown little interest in going after the client list. LE has limited resources and will go after the Big fish. Also that list would be considered evidence, whether they use it or not. No way wifey is going to get it. Your narrative is full of Holes and other things. LOL.
Also for the guy that got snitched on by the girl, that's exactly what probably happened. How loud was your request? Were you perhaps speaking at a mic? LOL.Hilarious, Guy with 1 post shows up. Lipstick, is that you? LOL Two things I can think of that would Piss off an agency: Recruit the lady for another agency and / or ask to meet after hours, off the clock.
The original allegation is that an MCE staff is snooping at hotel recording mongers entering hotels. Seeing how irrational that notion is, the allegation now evolved that MCE is secretly working with hotels to access their cameras.
Is it possible to record videos inside the room? Yes. Do you have confidence that some of these girls have the wits to do that? What if one of the mongers found out? Would you leave a girl in the same room as an irate dude? Seriously, what is the less riskier path for all parties involved? The goal is to protect the girls, not endanger them.
I don't know with you but some of you guys come up with holywood stories to make hobbying more fantastical and complicated than it is. Again, screencap of the booking process itself is the strongest evidence an agency needs.
Also for the guy that got snitched on by the girl, that's exactly what probably happened. How loud was your request? Were you perhaps speaking at a mic? LOL.Hey genius, so you don't think it was suspicious that they said they were going to send security up to the room, or did you not read that part?
The original allegation is that an MCE staff is snooping at hotel recording mongers entering hotels. Seeing how irrational that notion is, the allegation now evolved that MCE is secretly working with hotels to access their cameras.
Is it possible to record videos inside the room? Yes. Do you have confidence that some of these girls have the wits to do that? What if one of the mongers found out? Would you leave a girl in the same room as an irate dude? Seriously, what is the less riskier path for all parties involved? The goal is to protect the girls, not endanger them.
I don't know with you but some of you guys come up with holywood stories to make hobbying more fantastical and complicated than it is. Again, screencap of the booking process itself is the strongest evidence an agency needs.
Also for the guy that got snitched on by the girl, that's exactly what probably happened. How loud was your request? Were you perhaps speaking at a mic? LOL.Marcus, the alleged owner, posted a total denial in one of this week's daily schedules. I believe him because a little while back one evening when I was a MCE's girls very last client, it was late evening, and I accompanied her out of the hotel after our sesh and grabbed a bite to eat. I could probably have played some more for an extra few but I had to get home. If they were photographing us, she would have been shitcanned or worse and I would have been banned from their agency. Takes lots of manpower to shadow clients in the hotels they book. And would look very fishy just hanging around taking photos of hotel customers. A screencap of the booking would be enough if they needed it.
LipstickOnMe
01-20-19, 23:47
The original allegation is that an MCE staff is snooping at hotel recording mongers entering hotels. Seeing how irrational that notion is, the allegation now evolved that MCE is secretly working with hotels to access their cameras.
Is it possible to record videos inside the room? Yes. Do you have confidence that some of these girls have the wits to do that? What if one of the mongers found out? Would you leave a girl in the same room as an irate dude? Seriously, what is the less riskier path for all parties involved? The goal is to protect the girls, not endanger them.
I don't know with you but some of you guys come up with holywood stories to make hobbying more fantastical and complicated than it is. Again, screencap of the booking process itself is the strongest evidence an agency needs.
Also for the guy that got snitched on by the girl, that's exactly what probably happened. How loud was your request? Were you perhaps speaking at a mic? LOL.It's more likely MCE office staff is taking pics or videos of clients entering hotels, and it's a actual fact. As with the Hotel mangers, they can give video to MCE, and it's possible, but it can also be not possible. Come now guys, you know how much a escort agency makes. Look at the ones busted in NYE and DC. You don't think with the money MCE makes they won't try to protect their girl, and for MCE to make money?
What I do know is that MCE has connections with Hotel mangers so their girls won't be busted. So yes, MCE does bribe the Hotel mangers and Hotel security to make sure their girls don't get caught with the excessive inflow of clients coming inside and out of a girls hotel room.
MCE uses the same hotels for the past 4 years, you think the men manning the desk don't know MCE girls are working at those hotels? When they had Dropbox, you can clearly tell the girls faces as well as when they send a uncensored pic on telegram. So much for privacy and discretion for the girls.
To Johobby, and other mongers, it's not a Hollywoood story. It's actual fact. I can post the screen shots but it's only when I would post it. I rather have competition and professionals take care of MCE. And by professionals I mean someone who doesn't use MCE or the hobby.
To Garyman, it's not me. But what I can tell you that Marcus has threatened clients in the past as some were bad clients to several of their girls.
To GaryMan. Sure some LE may have limited resources to bust a escort agency but don't forget about the Korean bust that happened recently. That can occur with MCE and it most likely it would. On top of the other agencies in Chicago that were busted in the past in Chicago.
I bet marcus doesn't know about those as he is a novice pimp. And don't forget, Uncle Sam. UncleSam does have the resources for tax invasion. Uncle Sam doesn't play with unreported money.
LipstickOnMe
01-21-19, 00:02
Marcus, the alleged owner, posted a total denial in one of this week's daily schedules. I believe him because a little while back one evening when I was a MCE's girls very last client, it was late evening, and I accompanied her out of the hotel after our sesh and grabbed a bite to eat. I could probably have played some more for an extra few but I had to get home. If they were photographing us, she would have been shitcanned or worse and I would have been banned from their agency. Takes lots of manpower to shadow clients in the hotels they book. And would look very fishy just hanging around taking photos of hotel customers. A screencap of the booking would be enough if they needed it.Like I've said this was in the past when they were CEC. It's possible they can still be recording because MCE has the money. But who knows. Marcus can deny all he wants, but MCE has recorded and taken pics of clients. He is denying it because he doesn't want to lose his 10 k in clients as well as his untaxed money.
Hey genius, so you don't think it was suspicious that they said they were going to send security up to the room, or did you not read that part?You said 10 minutes after your visit and as you were about to get into your car you received the text, now all of a sudden they're going to send the "security" up your room? C'Mon. Lipstick, you're not even trying anymore. LOL.
LipstickOnMe
01-21-19, 00:41
Hilarious, Guy with 1 post shows up. Lipstick, is that you? LOL Two things I can think of that would Piss off an agency: Recruit the lady for another agency and / or ask to meet after hours, off the clock.To Gary man. Ask EEC about Marcus acting as a client recruiting EEC girls for MCE agency. Back when CEC was barely starting that is what Marcus did. That pissed off EEC for sure. And who hasn't asked girls for after meet? I sure did with escorts and with strippers. I bet you do too? If not, then, you must be lacking some testosterone. LOL.
To Gary man. Ask EEC about Marcus acting as a client recruiting EEC girls for MCE agency.Should I ask before or after I make an appointment? LOL Yeah, Sure they're going to tell me that.
This shit is so funny, I'm going to use it to write a screenplay and sell to HBO for a gazillion dollars. Then move to Hollywood and fuck strippers every day with the money I've earned.
-w.
It's more likely MCE office staff is taking pics or videos of clients entering hotels, and it's a actual fact. As with the Hotel mangers, they can give video to MCE, and it's possible, but it can also be not possible. Come now guys, you know how much a escort agency makes. Look at the ones busted in NYE and DC. You don't think with the money MCE makes they won't try to protect their girl, and for MCE to make money?
What I do know is that MCE has connections with Hotel mangers so their girls won't be busted. So yes, MCE does bribe the Hotel mangers and Hotel security to make sure their girls don't get caught with the excessive inflow of clients coming inside and out of a girls hotel room.
MCE uses the same hotels for the past 4 years, you think the men manning the desk don't know MCE girls are working at those hotels? When they had Dropbox, you can clearly tell the girls faces as well as when they send a uncensored pic on telegram. So much for privacy and discretion for the girls.
To Johobby, and other mongers, it's not a Hollywoood story. It's actual fact. I can post the screen shots but it's only when I would post it. I rather have competition and professionals take care of MCE. And by professionals I mean someone who doesn't use MCE or the hobby.
To Garyman, it's not me. But what I can tell you that Marcus has threatened clients in the past as some were bad clients to several of their girls.
To GaryMan. Sure some LE may have limited resources to bust a escort agency but don't forget about the Korean bust that happened recently. That can occur with MCE and it most likely it would. On top of the other agencies in Chicago that were busted in the past in Chicago.
I bet marcus doesn't know about those as he is a novice pimp. And don't forget, Uncle Sam. UncleSam does have the resources for tax invasion. Uncle Sam doesn't play with unreported money.
You said 10 minutes after your visit and as you were about to get into your car you received the text, now all of a sudden they're going to send the "security" up your room? C'Mon. Lipstick, you're not even trying anymore. LOL.I said that if I ask that question again, that they will send security, meaning if I ask that same question to same girl or other girl in future sessions. You are misunderstanding the whole thing. So basically I can't ask that question again because they'll send send security up, which is strange. What don't you understand? How and why do they have security? And I'm not that lipstick username guy, I've used MCE about 5 times in the past 2 years. I don't do this often. I don't have anything against them, like I said I think this is the best agency in Chicago, because of their models. I don't want to get blacklisted. All I'm saying that it's weird that they threatened me like that, because like I said I don't think the girl snitched on me, she was all smiles and giggles throughout the whole session, if she was that bothered by my question, she would've stopped our session and called her managers.
This shit is so funny, I'm going to use it to write a screenplay and sell to HBO for a gazillion dollars. Then move to Hollywood and fuck strippers every day with the money I've earned.
-w.Sounds like a few people want to be secret agent mongers.
LipstickOnMe
01-21-19, 20:05
The original allegation is that an MCE staff is snooping at hotel recording mongers entering hotels. Seeing how irrational that notion is, the allegation now evolved that MCE is secretly working with hotels to access their cameras.
Is it possible to record videos inside the room? Yes. Do you have confidence that some of these girls have the wits to do that? What if one of the mongers found out? Would you leave a girl in the same room as an irate dude? Seriously, what is the less riskier path for all parties involved? The goal is to protect the girls, not endanger them.
I don't know with you but some of you guys come up with holywood stories to make hobbying more fantastical and complicated than it is. Again, screencap of the booking process itself is the strongest evidence an agency needs.
Also for the guy that got snitched on by the girl, that's exactly what probably happened. How loud was your request? Were you perhaps speaking at a mic? LOL.To the mongers who don't think MCE has security for their girls. On top of those mongers who don't think MCE office staff doesn't take pics and video of clients entering the hotel. Here is one screen shot. Per Andra on their email blast, look at #4. She explicitly states that " she decided to hire private security to be available at our incalls, aside from other arrangements with hotels".
I wonder what kind of arrangements MCE have with hotels they use. Something that us mongers should be wary about.
So whomever books MCE girls, you've been informed. And if Marcus and Andra deny it, well that email was sent to everyone on their client list.
No one is arguing about "security" here. You're reaching by equating security to recording mongers. Either put it up or shut it. And as far as I know hotels do have their own security. Between you and the girl, you're the one who is not the guest there. You could be easily kicked out if needed.
I said that if I ask that question again, that they will send security, meaning if I ask that same question to same girl or other girl in future sessions. You are misunderstanding the whole thing. So basically I can't ask that question again because they'll send send security up, which is strange. What don't you understand? How and why do they have security? And I'm not that lipstick username guy, I've used MCE about 5 times in the past 2 years. I don't do this often. I don't have anything against them, like I said I think this is the best agency in Chicago, because of their models. I don't want to get blacklisted. All I'm saying that it's weird that they threatened me like that, because like I said I don't think the girl snitched on me, she was all smiles and giggles throughout the whole session, if she was that bothered by my question, she would've stopped our session and called her managers.I don't find them having "security" strange. What I find strange is how you came to the conclusion that they are recording you. You cannot believe that the girl snitched on you? Perhaps you also believe it when a hooker say how good you are too! Haha. C'Mon., if what you asked warranted a security being sent to you, then they would have already, especially IF they could hear your request in real time.
So let's just review. You asked your forbidden request, got denied, finished your session, then received the message. What is the likelier scenario? Girl snitched on you or someone was listening to your conversation? I vote the former.
DMichaels69
01-22-19, 08:38
Point 4 from your attached screenshot does not say that.
To the mongers who don't think MCE has security for their girls. On top of those mongers who don't think MCE office staff doesn't take pics and video of clients entering the hotel. Here is one screen shot. Per Andra on their email blast, look at #4. She explicitly states that " she decided to hire private security to be available at our incalls, aside from other arrangements with hotels".
I wonder what kind of arrangements MCE have with hotels they use. Something that us mongers should be wary about.
So whomever books MCE girls, you've been informed. And if Marcus and Andra deny it, well that email was sent to everyone on their client list.
Point 4 from your attached screenshot does not say that.It's in #4. It's from CEC. And it's FROM DEC 2017. LOL.
LipstickOnMe
01-22-19, 09:08
Point 4 from your attached screenshot does not say that.At the end of #3 sentence.
LipstickOnMe
01-22-19, 09:08
To the mongers who don't think MCE has security for their girls. On top of those mongers who don't think MCE office staff doesn't take pics and video of clients entering the hotel. Here is one screen shot. Per Andra on their email blast, look at #4. She explicitly states that " she decided to hire private security to be available at our incalls, aside from other arrangements with hotels".
I wonder what kind of arrangements MCE have with hotels they use. Something that us mongers should be wary about.
So whomever books MCE girls, you've been informed. And if Marcus and Andra deny it, well that email was sent to everyone on their client list.Look at #3.
LipstickOnMe
01-22-19, 11:04
No one is arguing about "security" here. You're reaching by equating security to recording mongers. Either put it up or shut it. And as far as I know hotels do have their own security. Between you and the girl, you're the one who is not the guest there. You could be easily kicked out if needed.Il post it soon, but I rather have competition and Professionals take care of MCE. More likely have Professionals take care of MCE unprofessional, illegal practices.
Il post it soon, but I rather have competition and Professionals take care of MCE. More likely have Professionals take care of MCE unprofessional, illegal practices.Let's see, you come on a site that provides a forum for discussing escorts and complain about MCE's "illegal practices" LMAO.
LipstickOnMe
02-09-19, 00:15
Let's see, you come on a site that provides a forum for discussing escorts and complain about MCE's "illegal practices" LMAO.It's a forum, I'm entitled to post my thoughts on here, as like anyone else that post on this forum. I foresee Models club Elite, MCE operation dwindling sooner than later, too much information about them in Chicago, as well as the owner and office staff being careless how they operate. Not going into specific details, but "Marcus, Kim and Andra " are careless.
Correction, you are permitted to, nobody is entitled to shit here except the people who own it.
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FaceGlazer2018
02-14-19, 23:49
About time. Pretty sure everyone was done with the BS stories and never returning the favor!
Rocket Dork
02-15-19, 09:32
About time. Pretty sure everyone was done with the BS stories and never returning the favor!Homies seemed to score alot of women. But he was giving 100 or 80 for bjs. I don't know how he supposedly could afford it. His writing and grammar skills were weak. Didn't seem like a guy who made a ton of money. I'm sure he scored but with that HUGE amount of women? Homies also never shared with me. And he gave me his private email. I just don't know! LOL Rocket Dork.
I'm not going to miss him. One, he was a HORRIBLE writer. Two, he didn't really understand what this forum is about. And three, I tried to trade non-pros with him and he gave me the number of an established provider who has been advertising on Listcrawler for months. F that guy.
Homies seemed to score alot of women. But he was giving 100 or 80 for bjs. I don't know how he supposedly could afford it. His writing and grammar skills were weak. Didn't seem like a guy who made a ton of money. I'm sure he scored but with that HUGE amount of women? Homies also never shared with me. And he gave me his private email. I just don't know! LOL Rocket Dork.
I'm not going to miss him. One, he was a HORRIBLE writer. Two, he didn't really understand what this forum is about. And three, I tried to trade non-pros with him and he gave me the number of an established provider who has been advertising on Listcrawler for months. F that guy.Pretty smart of him. Find someone on Listcrawler then change their name to make it a non pro.
Hobbyist256
02-15-19, 13:17
He did hook me up with one of his conquests, but she was a weird chick. She was living in a drug rehab facility and it clearly wasn't working. So who knows how the hell he was sourcing, but I'm guessing most of what he had to offer wasn't exactly top shelf pussy anyway.
I'm not going to miss him. One, he was a HORRIBLE writer. Two, he didn't really understand what this forum is about. And three, I tried to trade non-pros with him and he gave me the number of an established provider who has been advertising on Listcrawler for months. F that guy.Allow me to Pile on: Lot of his rambling post started with "I've been sick. " Seemed like he was Always sick. LOL Workin several jobs, yet able to meet tons of women, not sure how he did, if at all.
He did hook me up with one of his conquests, but she was a weird chick. She was living in a drug rehab facility and it clearly wasn't working. So who knows how the hell he was sourcing, but I'm guessing most of what he had to offer wasn't exactly top shelf pussy anyway.The only thing I have to say is that he asked me for people but every time I gave them to him and asked for someone in return, he would say that mine wasn't good enough for him then he'd disappear.
He did hook me up with one of his conquests, but she was a weird chick. She was living in a drug rehab facility and it clearly wasn't working. So who knows how the hell he was sourcing, but I'm guessing most of what he had to offer wasn't exactly top shelf pussy anyway.You guys know how I feel I called out his BS long time ago and got slapped on the hand. I've been here years and never once broke a rule in this place and got censored for calling him out. So I say that to say be careful before you get slapped on the wrist as well. I like this forum a lot as I'm sure many of you do too. I don't want to be kicked out so now that we all know he's a fraud let's move on back to what we are all here for in the first place.
Dwill.
Yes, you did, because you refused to take it to the fight thread then once you caught the flag you were complaining about that as well on the review threads.
You may note nothing happened to any of these guys.
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Al Melrose
02-15-19, 14:23
He did hook me up with one of his conquests, but she was a weird chick. She was living in a drug rehab facility and it clearly wasn't working. So who knows how the hell he was sourcing, but I'm guessing most of what he had to offer wasn't exactly top shelf pussy anyway.I knew one girl from his description. She was a heroin addict who did spend time in rehab.
PeterWanger69
02-18-19, 18:06
Homies seemed to score alot of women. But he was giving 100 or 80 for bjs. I don't know how he supposedly could afford it. His writing and grammar skills were weak. Didn't seem like a guy who made a ton of money. I'm sure he scored but with that HUGE amount of women? Homies also never shared with me. And he gave me his private email. I just don't know! LOL Rocket Dork.Yeah, ditto for me. Come to think of it, the two leads I got from him were either a cracked out girl or someone who posts online. And when I gave him a lead, he either disappeared or say he already knew that girl. Always thought his stories were a bit much. I mean who in the world had that much time and money to hook up the way he was going on all the time!
The guy was definitely odd. He did offer me up 2 of his NW suburb connections: Sylvia in Mt Prospect and Karen in Fox Lake. LOL. I would have been thankful for either if I hadn't reviewed them myself as well as a dozen other mongers over the last few years. I stopped communicating with him after that.
Yeah, I didn't buy any of the crap he was peddling, the worst part was he pretty much just spammed his fantasies and made it hard to keep track of legit postings.
I looked at his posts and didn't see a single post that looked like it would have got him canned. Did he have posts deleted or was he exposed in some other posts I haven't seen?
Yeah, I didn't buy any of the crap he was peddling, the worst part was he pretty much just spammed his fantasies and made it hard to keep track of legit postings.What happened? Did he get banned or something?
Yeah, I didn't buy any of the crap he was peddling, the worst part was he pretty much just spammed his fantasies and made it hard to keep track of legit postings.Why didn't you put him on your ignore list? Will you do it when he makes a new user? He will come back, he will try and continue selling contacts no doubt.
A2.
Why didn't you put him on your ignore list? Will you do it when he makes a new user? He will come back, he will try and continue selling contacts no doubt.
A2.I didn't know that functionality existed! I feel like it will be useful when people start bickering about MCE again, which will inevitably happen, you learn something new every day.
Check the non-pros thread. This discussion started over there and got moved here.
I looked at his posts and didn't see a single post that looked like it would have got him canned. Did he have posts deleted or was he exposed in some other posts I haven't seen?
Whiskey Priest
03-03-19, 00:18
I'd jump on this, but I'm already tied up doing a server migration this evening. This girl is in need of someone to hook her NAS up yet this evening.
DMichaels69
03-03-19, 10:12
This looks TGTBT. There are a lot of these type ads on escort babylon that I don't think are real.
I'd jump on this, but I'm already tied up doing a server migration this evening. This girl is in need of someone to hook her NAS up yet this evening.
Whiskey Priest
03-03-19, 11:51
This looks TGTBT. There are a lot of these type ads on escort babylon that I don't think are real.Explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog. You understand it better but the frog dies in the process.
-- E. B. White.
I always thought that the purpose of this forum was to share information, albeit discreetly. I've always tried to give useful information, whether it be a recommendation or a warning to stay away. I don't understand the point of posting a report, but not giving any helpful info. Is it to brag? This isn't supposed to be Penthouse Forum.
I understand it's up to each individual member to do their own work, but I don't see the harm in posting a link to a profile and stating whether or not that person is someone to consider seeing or staying away from. I'm not saying it's ok or even advisable to give out contact info for a particular girl because that would only scare them off the site. How would one explain how they got her number? There's really no good that can come of that, especially when it's been reported that members have disclosed what's being discussed here.
I recently had a post deleted in which I called out a particular member for constantly asking for intel, but not reciprocating. Perhaps I could've been more tactful, but I've seen posts flat out insulting other members that weren't deleted. Be that as it may, I can't see their reports anymore, which is no big loss to me since they contained no useful information anyway.
Anyway, sorry for this long-winded rant. I truly mean no disrespect to anyone here. Many of you have contributed far more to this forum than I probably ever will. Perhaps I'm just shouting into the wind, but I'm curious to see what others think.
I always thought that the purpose of this forum was to share information, albeit discreetly. I've always tried to give useful information, whether it be a recommendation or a warning to stay away. I don't understand the point of posting a report, but not giving any helpful info. Is it to brag? This isn't supposed to be Penthouse Forum.
I understand it's up to each individual member to do their own work, but I don't see the harm in posting a link to a profile and stating whether or not that person is someone to consider seeing or staying away from. I'm not saying it's ok or even advisable to give out contact info for a particular girl because that would only scare them off the site. How would one explain how they got her number? There's really no good that can come of that, especially when it's been reported that members have disclosed what's being discussed here.
I recently had a post deleted in which I called out a particular member for constantly asking for intel, but not reciprocating. Perhaps I could've been more tactful, but I've seen posts flat out insulting other members that weren't deleted. Be that as it may, I can't see their reports anymore, which is no big loss to me since they contained no useful information anyway.
Anyway, sorry for this long-winded rant. I truly mean no disrespect to anyone here. Many of you have contributed far more to this forum than I probably ever will. Perhaps I'm just shouting into the wind, but I'm curious to see what others think.I don't think you're asking for clarification as much as you wanted to create drama and complain or you would have just sent me a PM, However, I'll take it at face value, what do you need clarification on? This post raises a bunch of issues yet you don't seem to be unclear about any of the rules.
You can't call people out on the regular threads for any reason, that's why we have the "report post" button.
Guys don't have to post the way you think they should. There are 400,000 members on the forum and more lurkers, some guys like writing about what they do and other like reading it. If you don't like what they write there is always the ignore function.
Most of the reports you're complaining about are from unmoderated seniors who's reports I never see. Again, the "report post" button works well for this.
You don't see their reports because when you "call them out" I delete your post, throw the flag and add them to your ignore list.
Seems to me you think you should be able to tell guys how they should or should not post and be allowed to harass them if they don't live up to your expectations. Who made you the arbitrator of style on the forum?
Hope this helps,
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PeterWanger69
03-22-19, 10:25
So, here's my dilemma. There's an intern who is fine as all hell at my work who does not report to my directly. Rather, she reports to someone below me. Anyway, recently she gave me her number and we've been texting back and forth. I even gave her a ride the other day to a networking event we had. She is finishing her internship next month and is graduating in May. She asked me for help with her resume and also just general interviewing tips. I told her that it's hard to carve out time during the day but I asked her if she wanted to grab a drink after work one day and I can help her with her resume. She said that sounded perfect. We haven't set a date / time yet but I'm having second thoughts here. Am I playing with fire here?
Best case scenario here: she is discreet and this leads to a nice steamy but quiet thing on the side for me.
Worst case scenario: whatever this leads to she is crazy or we get discovered and I get in trouble at work and at home.
What should I do here? I can't help but think what it would be like to tap that 21 year old piece of ass. I can't even really focus at work anymore!
Dirty Ole Man
03-22-19, 10:44
So, here's my dilemma. There's an intern who is fine as all hell at my work who does not report to my directly. Rather, she reports to someone below me. Anyway, recently she gave me her number and we've been texting back and forth. I even gave her a ride the other day to a networking event we had. She is finishing her internship next month and is graduating in May. She asked me for help with her resume and also just general interviewing tips. I told her that it's hard to carve out time during the day but I asked her if she wanted to grab a drink after work one day and I can help her with her resume. She said that sounded perfect. We haven't set a date / time yet but I'm having second thoughts here. Am I playing with fire here?
Best case scenario here: she is discreet and this leads to a nice steamy but quiet thing on the side for me.
Worst case scenario: whatever this leads to she is crazy or we get discovered and I get in trouble at work and at home.
What should I do here? I can't help but think what it would be like to tap that 21 year old piece of ass. I can't even really focus at work anymore!I don't know where you are at in your career. When I was junior I used to do crazy shit at work, but its a different world now and you can get hit with complaints even by others seeing you do something even if not directed at them, but I never worried about finding another position as a junior level staff, if your more senior though and have family to worry about that should give you pause.
There is a case where you end up sued, even if you win it can tarnish your reputation in your field. Just because she doesn't direct report to you, but one of your subordinates you can still influence things through them so it would be high risk WHILE SHE IS INTERNING. You said it ends next month, wait till after her last day.
So, here's my dilemma. There's an intern who is fine as all hell at my work who does not report to my directly. Rather, she reports to someone below me. Anyway, recently she gave me her number and we've been texting back and forth. I even gave her a ride the other day to a networking event we had. She is finishing her internship next month and is graduating in May. She asked me for help with her resume and also just general interviewing tips. I told her that it's hard to carve out time during the day but I asked her if she wanted to grab a drink after work one day and I can help her with her resume. She said that sounded perfect. We haven't set a date / time yet but I'm having second thoughts here. Am I playing with fire here?
Best case scenario here: she is discreet and this leads to a nice steamy but quiet thing on the side for me.
Worst case scenario: whatever this leads to she is crazy or we get discovered and I get in trouble at work and at home.
What should I do here? I can't help but think what it would be like to tap that 21 year old piece of ass. I can't even really focus at work anymore!Option 2. Worst Case Scenario.
This may lead to a sexual harassment case and a lot of trouble from home. She's 21. You can trust a 21 year old to keep a side fling a secret at work. Eventually everyone at work will find out.
So, here's my dilemma. There's an intern who is fine as all hell at my work who does not report to my directly. Rather, she reports to someone below me. Anyway, recently she gave me her number and we've been texting back and forth. I even gave her a ride the other day to a networking event we had. She is finishing her internship next month and is graduating in May. She asked me for help with her resume and also just general interviewing tips. I told her that it's hard to carve out time during the day but I asked her if she wanted to grab a drink after work one day and I can help her with her resume. She said that sounded perfect. We haven't set a date / time yet but I'm having second thoughts here. Am I playing with fire here?
Best case scenario here: she is discreet and this leads to a nice steamy but quiet thing on the side for me.
Worst case scenario: whatever this leads to she is crazy or we get discovered and I get in trouble at work and at home.
What should I do here? I can't help but think what it would be like to tap that 21 year old piece of ass. I can't even really focus at work anymore!Upside is a lot of fun. Downside is you'll never find work again. No ass is worth that.
My advice is to wait for her to leave the company before you make any move. Hopefully she goes to school in the area so you can be her SD.
I don't know where you are at in your career. When I was junior I used to do crazy shit at work, but its a different world now and you can get hit with complaints even by others seeing you do something even if not directed at them, but I never worried about finding another position as a junior level staff, if your more senior though and have family to worry about that should give you pause.
There is a case where you end up sued, even if you win it can tarnish your reputation in your field. Just because she doesn't direct report to you, but one of your subordinates you can still influence things through them so it would be high risk WHILE SHE IS INTERNING. You said it ends next month, wait till after her last day.If you're married, do not fuck at work, even if the pussy belongs to your boss. If you're single, then you might have, if not a valid defense, then, at least, a BS excuse, explaining than you were madly in love and your ntentions were extremely serious.
So, here's my dilemma. There's an intern who is fine as all hell at my work who does not report to my directly. Rather, she reports to someone below me. Anyway, recently she gave me her number and we've been texting back and forth. I even gave her a ride the other day to a networking event we had. She is finishing her internship next month and is graduating in May. She asked me for help with her resume and also just general interviewing tips. I told her that it's hard to carve out time during the day but I asked her if she wanted to grab a drink after work one day and I can help her with her resume. She said that sounded perfect. We haven't set a date / time yet but I'm having second thoughts here. Am I playing with fire here?
Best case scenario here: she is discreet and this leads to a nice steamy but quiet thing on the side for me.
Worst case scenario: whatever this leads to she is crazy or we get discovered and I get in trouble at work and at home.
What should I do here? I can't help but think what it would be like to tap that 21 year old piece of ass. I can't even really focus at work anymore!As they say, "don't shit where you eat".
TwoBlueBalls
03-22-19, 13:01
Is the old adage, but I have. Do as I say and not what I do, is what my father used to say!
So, here's my dilemma. There's an intern who is fine as all hell at my work who does not report to my directly. Rather, she reports to someone below me. Anyway, recently she gave me her number and we've been texting back and forth. I even gave her a ride the other day to a networking event we had. She is finishing her internship next month and is graduating in May. She asked me for help with her resume and also just general interviewing tips. I told her that it's hard to carve out time during the day but I asked her if she wanted to grab a drink after work one day and I can help her with her resume. She said that sounded perfect. We haven't set a date / time yet but I'm having second thoughts here. Am I playing with fire here?
Best case scenario here: she is discreet and this leads to a nice steamy but quiet thing on the side for me.
Worst case scenario: whatever this leads to she is crazy or we get discovered and I get in trouble at work and at home.
What should I do here? I can't help but think what it would be like to tap that 21 year old piece of ass. I can't even really focus at work anymore!
TwoBlueBalls
03-22-19, 13:09
Brilliant observation about the intern. Short term employment that can be taken advantage of when the internship ends. In the meantime, you can gather additional information on her intentions and play it cool.
I don't know where you are at in your career. When I was junior I used to do crazy shit at work, but its a different world now and you can get hit with complaints even by others seeing you do something even if not directed at them, but I never worried about finding another position as a junior level staff, if your more senior though and have family to worry about that should give you pause.
There is a case where you end up sued, even if you win it can tarnish your reputation in your field. Just because she doesn't direct report to you, but one of your subordinates you can still influence things through them so it would be high risk WHILE SHE IS INTERNING. You said it ends next month, wait till after her last day.
So, here's my dilemma. There's an intern who is fine as all hell at my work who does not report to my directly. Rather, she reports to someone below me. Anyway, recently she gave me her number and we've been texting back and forth. I even gave her a ride the other day to a networking event we had. She is finishing her internship next month and is graduating in May. She asked me for help with her resume and also just general interviewing tips. I told her that it's hard to carve out time during the day but I asked her if she wanted to grab a drink after work one day and I can help her with her resume. She said that sounded perfect. We haven't set a date / time yet but I'm having second thoughts here. Am I playing with fire here?
Best case scenario here: she is discreet and this leads to a nice steamy but quiet thing on the side for me.
Worst case scenario: whatever this leads to she is crazy or we get discovered and I get in trouble at work and at home.
What should I do here? I can't help but think what it would be like to tap that 21 year old piece of ass. I can't even really focus at work anymore!The firm I work for has 38 interns mostly female and mostly full time. If any intern, either male or female gets caught in a relationship with a regular employee outside of work both are terminated immediately. This also includes junior and senior partners and the BOD's as well. In addition to termination, any future references will include the statement "terminated for unsatisfactory performance relating to employment". My company has a zero tolerance policy when it comes to this stuff.
You need to decide if your current and future jobs are worth losing and possibly receiving a bad reference. If she is done in May and no longer an intern, then wait another month and see what happens.
In other words, THINK WITH YOUR BIG HEAD, your career and family depend on it.
What should I do here? I can't help but think what it would be like to tap that 21 year old piece of ass. I can't even really focus at work anymore!Don't ever fuck around with anyone from work. Have another co worker help her with her resume. You have nothing to gain from your time with her other than potential and future grief. Work is work, Home is home, and anything outside of that is fair game. If you need to satisfy your need to bang a 21 yr old, do like the rest of us here and pay for it. That's much cheaper in the long run.
So, here's my dilemma. There's an intern who is fine as all hell at my work who does not report to my directly. Rather, she reports to someone below me. Anyway, recently she gave me her number and we've been texting back and forth. I even gave her a ride the other day to a networking event we had. She is finishing her internship next month and is graduating in May. She asked me for help with her resume and also just general interviewing tips. I told her that it's hard to carve out time during the day but I asked her if she wanted to grab a drink after work one day and I can help her with her resume. She said that sounded perfect. We haven't set a date / time yet but I'm having second thoughts here. Am I playing with fire here?
Best case scenario here: she is discreet and this leads to a nice steamy but quiet thing on the side for me.
Worst case scenario: whatever this leads to she is crazy or we get discovered and I get in trouble at work and at home.
What should I do here? I can't help but think what it would be like to tap that 21 year old piece of ass. I can't even really focus at work anymore!Tell her that company policy could punish you for the appearance of impropriety and ask if you can have a raid check until after she is done. That will do two things-- if she's truly interested in anything physical she might get more anxious to see you. If she has no intention of anything more than just tapping your business experience you should be able to discern the reaction accordingly.
It is a different world now. When I was younger I definitely remember feeling up a young woman in my office who reported to me. Had my hand up her skirt as well. I those days. Late 70's early 80's. You just though with your dick. Now you have to try not to.
Randolph.
TwoBlueBalls
03-22-19, 14:42
I'm the same, open to all options except for street walkers. Real time pickups, spas, Casino girls, escorts, etc. I'm not desperate, and simply love women! Can't seem to get enough puss! To your point, I made eye contact with a gal, with her date, at a restaurant while I'm sitting at the bar. She catches me going to the men's room and asks if I could rescue her. Her date is a nightmare and she needed to escape quickly and discreetly. Fill in the blanks from there. Ever since, I've always kept an eye out for the mismatched dates, looking for similar opportunities. Old with young! Ox with fox! Couples quarreling! Great topic! Looking forward to others responses!
Real-Time pickups are what I've been referring to when you get a girl's number when out and about, in the real world.
It Can be just a regular girl you're trying to score digits, but I'm using it more for approaching a girl for p4p. It's certainly not for everyone, especially those who need to be discreet. This approach can also seem a bit more difficult and demanding of time, but they do work on occasion, especially when youre out and about anyway.
From solo girls walking downtown, a girl out with her friends, waitresses and girls at their jobs in general. I once witnessed behind the scenes as a girl was with her SD at a casino and was telling her friend (my date) how another guy had just tried to pick her up, offered her "more than whatever this guy is giving you" and she was debating it!.
The firm I work for has 38 interns mostly female and mostly full time. If any intern, either male or female gets caught in a relationship with a regular employee outside of work both are terminated immediately. This also includes junior and senior partners and the BOD's as well. In addition to termination, any future references will include the statement "terminated for unsatisfactory performance relating to employment". My company has a zero tolerance policy when it comes to this stuff.
You need to decide if your current and future jobs are worth losing and possibly receiving a bad reference. If she is done in May and no longer an intern, then wait another month and see what happens.
In other words, THINK WITH YOUR BIG HEAD, your career and family depend on it.A company I worked for many years ago has a very similar policy and from what I heard is involved in a lawsuit brought about by an ex-fiancé who was dumped by someone violating these rules. Both parties have been let go, so someone is out a job and a relationship. It's not the 80's anymore and some lady coming on to you for career advancement purposes will cry me-too if anything goes wrong.
Karn Evil 9
03-22-19, 15:11
So, here's my dilemma. There's an intern who is fine as all hell at my work who does not report to my directly. Rather, she reports to someone below me. Anyway, recently she gave me her number and we've been texting back and forth. I even gave her a ride the other day to a networking event we had. She is finishing her internship next month and is graduating in May. She asked me for help with her resume and also just general interviewing tips. I told her that it's hard to carve out time during the day but I asked her if she wanted to grab a drink after work one day and I can help her with her resume. She said that sounded perfect. We haven't set a date / time yet but I'm having second thoughts here. Am I playing with fire here?
Best case scenario here: she is discreet and this leads to a nice steamy but quiet thing on the side for me.
Worst case scenario: whatever this leads to she is crazy or we get discovered and I get in trouble at work and at home.
What should I do here? I can't help but think what it would be like to tap that 21 year old piece of ass. I can't even really focus at work anymore!
As I chime in, I will say there has been some very good advice given already.
IMHO, you will not only be playing with fire, but also radioactive material.
There will be a ZERO % chance that she will keep any type of relationship or encounter discreet. Not only that, but after your encounter, she will be hanging around your office / desk / work area, much more than normal or more than she should be. She will not be able to act any other way. Also, since she is fine as hell, everyone in your entire office, already has eyes on her all day, and they will especially notice her hanging around and giving you the "look."
The only way this would even remotely work, is after she leaves your company, and is already gainfully employed elsewhere for a period of time. You would still have to be extremely cautious however, because odds are, she was able to get a job at your company as an intern, because she knows someone there outside of normal work. She will want to brag about being with someone like yourself in a senior position at your company.
Respectfully, there are so many other avenues for you to take, without the added risk.
Good luck to you on your decision.
So, here's my dilemma. There's an intern who is fine as all hell at my work who does not report to my directly. Rather, she reports to someone below me. Anyway, recently she gave me her number and we've been texting back and forth. I even gave her a ride the other day to a networking event we had. She is finishing her internship next month and is graduating in May. She asked me for help with her resume and also just general interviewing tips. I told her that it's hard to carve out time during the day but I asked her if she wanted to grab a drink after work one day and I can help her with her resume. She said that sounded perfect. We haven't set a date / time yet but I'm having second thoughts here. Am I playing with fire here?
Best case scenario here: she is discreet and this leads to a nice steamy but quiet thing on the side for me.
Worst case scenario: whatever this leads to she is crazy or we get discovered and I get in trouble at work and at home.
What should I do here? I can't help but think what it would be like to tap that 21 year old piece of ass. I can't even really focus at work anymore!So long as she is with your company keep it professional. If you meet at a bar to help her with her resume and give her interview tips then do just that, help her with her resume and give her interviewing tips. Once she is no longer with the company then pursue a more intimate relationship.
This is how these things begin.
Fast forward a couple of weeks:
"This coworker was nice enough to offer me a ride to a networking event because I don't have a car. I gave him my number so he could text me when he arrived. We were chatting about work and I wanted to know what it was like working there full time because I am still deciding what I want to do. He said the key to a full time job in the industry was really putting my best foot forward with a good resume. He offered to help me with my resume but he's so busy during the day the only time he has is after work. I said ok because I thought it would be nice to have a mentor who is where I am thinking about going. We met up, and I brought my laptop and suddenly he's talking about how I look. I felt really uncomfortable, so I kept trying to change the subject back to work but it was like he wasn't taking the hint at all. We finally got around to working on my resume, but he had a couple of drinks and was getting really suggestive. At the end of it, I thanked him and he insisted on giving me a hug goodbye, but then squeezed me tight and tried to kiss me. He's been texting me nonstop ever since and I'm afraid to see him now. I talked about what happened to me on twitter and they told me I should file a complaint with you, HR and tell his boss too. A few other girls said he did something similar to them. ".
So, here's my dilemma. There's an intern who is fine as all hell at my work who does not report to my directly. Rather, she reports to someone below me. Anyway, recently she gave me her number and we've been texting back and forth. I even gave her a ride the other day to a networking event we had. She is finishing her internship next month and is graduating in May. She asked me for help with her resume and also just general interviewing tips. I told her that it's hard to carve out time during the day but I asked her if she wanted to grab a drink after work one day and I can help her with her resume. She said that sounded perfect. We haven't set a date / time yet but I'm having second thoughts here. Am I playing with fire here?
Best case scenario here: she is discreet and this leads to a nice steamy but quiet thing on the side for me.
Worst case scenario: whatever this leads to she is crazy or we get discovered and I get in trouble at work and at home.
What should I do here? I can't help but think what it would be like to tap that 21 year old piece of ass. I can't even really focus at work anymore!
As they say, "don't shit where you eat".Brilliant stuff as always Riina.
PeterWanger69
03-22-19, 20:34
Thank you all for the carefully thought out advice. I think I will work with the intern and help her with her resume and interview skills while AT WORK. Her internship ends next month anyway so I will just plant the seeds by helping her. I'll get her a graduation gift when she finishes her internship and if she stays in touch then I know the potential is there for more down the road. I think it's rock solid advice that I don't try and push for something while she's still an intern. Even if it turns into something then I know it's just a way for her to play me into something more with the company and that just won't end well no matter what. I'll plant the seeds and lay low to see what grows out of this. Thanks again to all who chimed in!
Thank you all for the carefully thought out advice. I think I will work with the intern and help her with her resume and interview skills while AT WORK. Her internship ends next month anyway so I will just plant the seeds by helping her. I'll get her a graduation gift when she finishes her internship and if she stays in touch then I know the potential is there for more down the road. I think it's rock solid advice that I don't try and push for something while she's still an intern. Even if it turns into something then I know it's just a way for her to play me into something more with the company and that just won't end well no matter what. I'll plant the seeds and lay low to see what grows out of this. Thanks again to all who chimed in!Helping her with her resume and interview skills should also include working with HR. Now you can have work related witnesses as to nothing untowards happening at work.
One thing about internships, they sometimes are brought on board. So if she ends up working permanently at your office, be VERY careful.
This is how these things begin.
Fast forward a couple of weeks:
"This coworker was nice enough to offer me a ride to a networking event because I don't have a car. I gave him my number so he could text me when he arrived. We were chatting about work and I wanted to know what it was like working there full time because I am still deciding what I want to do. He said the key to a full time job in the industry was really putting my best foot forward with a good resume. He offered to help me with my resume but he's so busy during the day the only time he has is after work. I said ok because I thought it would be nice to have a mentor who is where I am thinking about going. We met up, and I brought my laptop and suddenly he's talking about how I look. I felt really uncomfortable, so I kept trying to change the subject back to work but it was like he wasn't taking the hint at all. We finally got around to working on my resume, but he had a couple of drinks and was getting really suggestive. At the end of it, I thanked him and he insisted on giving me a hug goodbye, but then squeezed me tight and tried to kiss me. He's been texting me nonstop ever since and I'm afraid to see him now. I talked about what happened to me on twitter and they told me I should file a complaint with you, HR and tell his boss too. A few other girls said he did something similar to them. ".Great advise guys, and a lot of responses too. This is a good use of the fight club thread for sure LOL.
MikeJones333
03-23-19, 08:50
Helping her with her resume and interview skills should also include working with HR. Now you can have work related witnesses as to nothing untowards happening at work.
One thing about internships, they sometimes are brought on board. So if she ends up working permanently at your office, be VERY careful.Excellent point. I would be extremely cautious and if you do help her with resume do it at work and preferably with another witness present. This whole #MeToo movement has gone too far and screwed a lot of innocent guys.
A couple of valley companies have taken a reasonable approach to it by adopting a one shot policy. In short they say you can ask whoever you want out but you can only ask them once. Anything other than a yes is a no, and you can never ask them again.
Excellent point. I would be extremely cautious and if you do help her with resume do it at work and preferably with another witness present. This whole #MeToo movement has gone too far and screwed a lot of innocent guys.
Obviously I can't share this with a friend but I'm loosing my mind so here it is. I have kind of an arrangement with this Phillipina girl for 3 - 4 months. We met last year there had fun and kept in touch with texts and video calls when I returned to USA and I sent her money and small presents and I was able to sneak there last month for few days when I was out of the country and we fckd our brains out just like when we first met. All good until she said she had to change her number and gave me her new number but I couldn't text her new number so I reinstalled my What's Up and lost all our chats and when trying to reach her on the old or new number it says this number is "not on What's Up". I tried calling her and says not an active number. What bothers me that shr hasn't tried to reach me too. She knows I'm a sucker and even she is banging somebody else she wouldn't miss the opportunity to ask for money or presents more so it is her birthday in April and she already asked me for a new phone and a perfume. I'm worried something bad had happen to her cause she hasn't tried to text me and the greedy little thing was always having a reason to ask for money and there is no way she will go silent for her birthday rather than use me and dump me next time I was about to go there, if this is what she planned. We haven't argued ever, I was her suga daddy and she was playing the role of the perfect little gf sending me sexy pics and texts. I'm going fckn crazy.
Obviously I can't share this with a friend but I'm loosing my mind so here it is. I have kind of an arrangement with this Phillipina girl for 3 - 4 months. We met last year there had fun and kept in touch with texts and video calls when I returned to USA and I sent her money and small presents and I was able to sneak there last month for few days when I was out of the country and we fckd our brains out just like when we first met. All good until she said she had to change her number and gave me her new number but I couldn't text her new number so I reinstalled my What's Up and lost all our chats and when trying to reach her on the old or new number it says this number is "not on What's Up". I tried calling her and says not an active number. What bothers me that shr hasn't tried to reach me too. She knows I'm a sucker and even she is banging somebody else she wouldn't miss the opportunity to ask for money or presents more so it is her birthday in April and she already asked me for a new phone and a perfume. I'm worried something bad had happen to her cause she hasn't tried to text me and the greedy little thing was always having a reason to ask for money and there is no way she will go silent for her birthday rather than use me and dump me next time I was about to go there, if this is what she planned. We haven't argued ever, I was her suga daddy and she was playing the role of the perfect little gf sending me sexy pics and texts. I'm going fckn crazy.Dude, WTF. It's just pussy! She probably met some rich guy who is giving her a lot more money. Find someone else.
Obviously I can't share this with a friend but I'm loosing my mind so here it is. I have kind of an arrangement with this Phillipina girl for 3 - 4 months. We met last year there had fun and kept in touch with texts and video calls when I returned to USA and I sent her money and small presents and I was able to sneak there last month for few days when I was out of the country and we fckd our brains out just like when we first met. All good until she said she had to change her number and gave me her new number but I couldn't text her new number so I reinstalled my What's Up and lost all our chats and when trying to reach her on the old or new number it says this number is "not on What's Up". I tried calling her and says not an active number. What bothers me that shr hasn't tried to reach me too. She knows I'm a sucker and even she is banging somebody else she wouldn't miss the opportunity to ask for money or presents more so it is her birthday in April and she already asked me for a new phone and a perfume. I'm worried something bad had happen to her cause she hasn't tried to text me and the greedy little thing was always having a reason to ask for money and there is no way she will go silent for her birthday rather than use me and dump me next time I was about to go there, if this is what she planned. We haven't argued ever, I was her suga daddy and she was playing the role of the perfect little gf sending me sexy pics and texts. I'm going fckn crazy.Dude you going to marry her?
Move on plenty of good pussy around.
Undie Radar
04-04-19, 19:24
I switched docs and when the new one walked in the room I was amazed at what a FOX she is! They told me to strip down to my shorts for a full skin check and use the paper sheet if I felt the need for additional privacy. I resisted the urge to pull the shorts off also, because it's what I am used to at the AMPs. As she examined my back closely I had to resist the urge to reach down and fondle her legs! LOL. I am not going to mind going back for regular checkups!
CouchCouscous
04-04-19, 20:01
Obviously I can't share this with a friend but I'm loosing my mind so here it is. I have kind of an arrangement with this Phillipina girl for 3 - 4 months. We met last year there had fun and kept in touch with texts and video calls when I returned to USA and I sent her money and small presents and I was able to sneak there last month for few days when I was out of the country and we fckd our brains out just like when we first met. All good until she said she had to change her number and gave me her new number but I couldn't text her new number so I reinstalled my What's Up and lost all our chats and when trying to reach her on the old or new number it says this number is "not on What's Up". I tried calling her and says not an active number. What bothers me that shr hasn't tried to reach me too. She knows I'm a sucker and even she is banging somebody else she wouldn't miss the opportunity to ask for money or presents more so it is her birthday in April and she already asked me for a new phone and a perfume. I'm worried something bad had happen to her cause she hasn't tried to text me and the greedy little thing was always having a reason to ask for money and there is no way she will go silent for her birthday rather than use me and dump me next time I was about to go there, if this is what she planned. We haven't argued ever, I was her suga daddy and she was playing the role of the perfect little gf sending me sexy pics and texts. I'm going fckn crazy.I have known numerous woman or providers that can get very mercurial. They are fine with spreading their legs for a stranger, but do not have the right mind for a sugar daddy or girlfriend relationship. Do not go thinking it is anything wrong or your doing. More often than not, the girl is batshit crazy and the guy is clueless until her brain spins off to never land.
Dude, WTF. It's just pussy! She probably met some rich guy who is giving her a lot more money. Find someone else.That was my first thought but we had a pretty "open relationship". I'm 20 yr older, I had told her I have a family and she told me she is on a dating website looking for an American guy to get out of the shithole and poverty she lives in and she said she will let me know if she hooks up with a "serious" dude. I'm not going there for work until June so even if she is shagging with some rich guy she could've played us both cause I have no way to know what she is doing and the other guy has no idea about me. She could've texted "I am with this guy" I'm not going to fly there and make drama. I just hope she ain't dead or sex slave somewhere.
TwoBlueBalls
04-05-19, 00:49
I've had a few Filipina girlfriends and they are the most cray cray women I've ever met. At first I thought they were fucking angels sent from heaven, but once they got comfy the crazy came out. First Flip ***** I was hoping would return to normal but I took way too long to dump her and she just got more crazy as time went on. Second Flip ***** I recognized the exact same crazy and dumped that nonsense pronto. Lesson learned: Flip bitches are fun at first, but as soon as the crazy starts, run for the hills. I feel for you man, but you've already got the big pic. Don't agonize yourself over the details. Best way to get over pussy is to find another pussy. Good luck to you man!
Obviously I can't share this with a friend but I'm loosing my mind so here it is. I have kind of an arrangement with this Phillipina girl for 3 - 4 months. We met last year there had fun and kept in touch with texts and video calls when I returned to USA and I sent her money and small presents and I was able to sneak there last month for few days when I was out of the country and we fckd our brains out just like when we first met. All good until she said she had to change her number and gave me her new number but I couldn't text her new number so I reinsmy What's Up and lost all our chats and when trying to reach her on the old or new number it says this number is "not on What's Up". I tried calling her and says not an active number. What bothers me that shr hasn't tried to reach me too. She knows I'm a sucker and even she is banging somebody else she wouldn't miss the opportunity to ask for money or presents more so it is her birthday in April and she already asked me for a new phone and a perfume. I'm worried something bad had happen to her cause she hasn't tried to text me and the greedy little thing was always having a reason to ask for money and there is no way she will go silent for her birthday rather than use me and dump me next time I was about to go there, if this is what she planned. We haven't argued ever, I was her suga daddy and she was playing the role of the perfect little gf sending me sexy pics and texts. I'm going fckn crazy.
George Stark
04-05-19, 14:51
Best way to get over pussy is to find another pussy. This is the TRUTH.
I switched docs and when the new one walked in the room I was amazed at what a FOX she is! They told me to strip down to my shorts for a full skin check and use the paper sheet if I felt the need for additional privacy. I resisted the urge to pull the shorts off also, because it's what I am used to at the AMPs. As she examined my back closely I had to resist the urge to reach down and fondle her legs! LOL. I am not going to mind going back for regular checkups!Dermatologists are always "the beautiful people" think about it.
TwoBlueBalls
04-06-19, 14:36
Dermatologists are always "the beautiful people" think about it.I'm a fan of Dr Pimple Popper for that exact reason! Reminds me of a time I went for a physical and a cute Asian resident performed my hernia check. When she reached under my balls and asked me too cough, it took all my smart ass will power not to moan instead. When she graduates from med school, I don't care if she's a gynecologist, she's going to be my doc!
Obviously I can't share this with a friend but I'm loosing my mind so here it is. I have kind of an arrangement with this Phillipina girl for 3 - 4 months. We met last year there had fun and kept in touch with texts and video calls when I returned to USA and I sent her money and small presents and I was able to sneak there last month for few days when I was out of the country and we fckd our brains out just like when we first met. All good until she said she had to change her number and gave me her new number but I couldn't text her new number so I reinstalled my What's Up and lost all our chats and when trying to reach her on the old or new number it says this number is "not on What's Up". I tried calling her and says not an active number. What bothers me that shr hasn't tried to reach me too. She knows I'm a sucker and even she is banging somebody else she wouldn't miss the opportunity to ask for money or presents more so it is her birthday in April and she already asked me for a new phone and a perfume. I'm worried something bad had happen to her cause she hasn't tried to text me and the greedy little thing was always having a reason to ask for money and there is no way she will go silent for her birthday rather than use me and dump me next time I was about to go there, if this is what she planned. We haven't argued ever, I was her suga daddy and she was playing the role of the perfect little gf sending me sexy pics and texts. I'm going fckn crazy.Well it seems like you enjoyed it while lasted. "Lasted" is past tense. By all indications, it's time for new adventure. Best of Luck.
Well it seems like you enjoyed it while lasted. "Lasted" is past tense. By all indications, it's time for new adventure. Best of Luck.She had actually resurfaced after few weeks MIA and I was there last week and we had a lot of fun during my time there. She is a good arrangement girl but I'll have to cut her off cause I can't go to the Philippines often enough to make it worthed. If she was closer like Mexico or Carribian I'd definitely keep her.
LipstickOnMe
07-01-19, 16:43
Unfortunate, to what happened to her.
Seeking Arrangements is different than this hobby which has been around for a very long time.
How does Markus at Modelsclubelite.com.
Manage to get girls to hook for him and have the girls get paid half price? Clearly it can't be what happened in that article.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/body-missing-sugar-baby-23-17276033.amp
Raoul Duke
09-04-19, 20:17
Nicole Beckham.
Brandy Bates.
Julie (Park Ridge indy massage).
Eva (former massage joint across from Ricobene's).
Gaby (Belmont colonics / massage joint).
Coco (7*)
Angela (7*) except when she let a silent but deadly one slip out.
34.
53.
Dreamway Lounge.
Petite Andrea.
Sara (massage joint on Montrose).
Dahlia (now known as Lola Luscious. Her looks have changed considerably).
Ciera (there were a couple of them, both nice people).
Sammy (blonde indy masseuse).
Alome.
Brooke.
Bianca.
Anal Ashley (never met her, but her posts were always interesting).
Nicole Beckham.
Brandy Bates.
Julie (Park Ridge indy massage).
Eva (former massage joint across from Ricobene's).
Gaby (Belmont colonics / massage joint).
Coco (7*)
Angela (7*) except when she let a silent but deadly one slip out.
34.
53.
Dreamway Lounge.
Petite Andrea..Oh my God. Had completely forgotten about Alome. What a doll! She was right up.
My alley!
MorningStar404
09-05-19, 22:24
Nicole Beckham.
Brandy Bates.
Julie (Park Ridge indy massage).
Eva (former massage joint across from Ricobene's).
Gaby (Belmont colonics / massage joint).
Coco (7*)
Angela (7*) except when she let a silent but deadly one slip out.There was a girl that travelled to Chicago a few times a year by the name Adrianna DeMille (not DeVille, she's great, but not her). She was from Salt Lake City, UT.
Also more recently, Penellope from 2 kg (formally Danielle from MCE). I she was too sweet. I hope those girls are doing good.
George Stark
09-06-19, 01:28
Dreamway Lounge.
The '80's. That's what I miss. Between the Dreamway, and North Avenue. Just so much great stuff.
Nicole Beckham.
Brandy Bates.
Julie (Park Ridge indy massage).
Eva (former massage joint across from Ricobene's).
Gaby (Belmont colonics / massage joint).
Coco (7*)
Angela (7*) except when she let a silent but deadly one slip out.
34.
53.
Dreamway Lounge.
Petite Andrea.
Sara (massage joint on Montrose).
Dahlia (now known as Lola Luscious. Her looks have changed considerably).
Ciera (there were a couple of them, both nice people).
Sammy (blonde indy masseuse).
Alome.
Brooke.
Bianca.
Anal Ashley (never met her, but her posts were always interesting).From more than a decade ago but two true sexual athletes:
Vanessa Sue.
British Bianca.
Someone should start a "Where Are They Now" forum.
JJames2011
09-06-19, 13:36
From more than a decade ago but two true sexual athletes:
Vanessa Sue.
British Bianca.Does anybody remember or have information about a girl that worked in the Diehl and 59 area about 10 years ago? Her name was Kaitlyn. Incredible body, taller with DDs.
I meet her when they made aol profiles.
The '80's. That's what I miss. Between the Dreamway, and North Avenue. Just so much great stuff.I did a reverse commute from Lincoln Park to the South burbs in the 80's. Took North Ave. To the Kennedy at about 5 am--bo ugh did I get a lot of tits rubbed up against my car windows in those days.
"Chicago, where the wind blows free, but the girls on North Ave don't," from the Johnny B show.
From more than a decade ago but two true sexual athletes:
Vanessa Sue.
British Bianca.Ah. Vanessa Sue. That was a lifetime ago! She was constantly at war with Anal Ashley who is another blast from that past from those days.
Ah. Vanessa Sue. That was a lifetime ago! She was constantly at war with Anal Ashley who is another blast from that past from those days.I totally remember Vanessa Sue and Anal Ashley!
Do you remember a little blonde who went by Naomi? She shared a place on the near west side with a hot redhead. I think the redhead eventually found a rich guy!
Raoul Duke
09-06-19, 18:46
Ah. Vanessa Sue. That was a lifetime ago! She was constantly at war with Anal Ashley who is another blast from that past from those days.Oh yeah, I remember VS's posts. Attractive pics, but never met her. I recall she was rather controversial at times. While I'm on a roll, I've got to mention Eden Inc. and the joints in Belevedere. CLV and ERS. Eden had some nice talent: Tiffany (aka Nicole when she was at 34), Mandy and others. 34 was by far my favorite. They had some very attractive therapists. Going back further into the Chicago archives: Petite Danni and others from FLE, Charlie Girl (never had an opportunity to meet her), Sloane. Geez, the list goes on.
I totally remember Vanessa Sue and Anal Ashley!
Do you remember a little blonde who went by Naomi? She shared a place on the near west side with a hot redhead. I think the redhead eventually found a rich guy!Both of those girls had a connection to Logan Tantricas. There were a bunch of girls working out of an apartment in a different building off of elston, but the lady with the hag voice that answered the phone was the same. They started as a body rub place, but eventually went full service and I was there to help break them into the change in work. Naomi was great, but when I got a taste of the redhead, I was honestly addicted. It was some of the best fucking I've ever had. She was so young, sexy and cool as fuck. Truly a catch of a girl, but thinking of how much meat invasion she got inside her and finding a husband makes me chuckle. Eventually I started getting bored of them and tried other girls and other agencies. When I tried re-connecting with the redhead, she was gone. I know Naomi hung around for a while and I remember seeing her on SA, but we never got together again.
Who is the girl in the Adult Friend Finder ads on this site? The brunette girl with the big tits that swings her hips back and forth. Needed for research purposes.
Both of those girls had a connection to Logan Tantricas. There were a bunch of girls working out of an apartment in a different building off of elston, but the lady with the hag voice that answered the phone was the same. They started as a body rub place, but eventually went full service and I was there to help break them into the change in work. Naomi was great, but when I got a taste of the redhead, I was honestly addicted. It was some of the best fucking I've ever had. She was so young, sexy and cool as fuck. Truly a catch of a girl, but thinking of how much meat invasion she got inside her and finding a husband makes me chuckle. Eventually I started getting bored of them and tried other girls and other agencies. When I tried re-connecting with the redhead, she was gone. I know Naomi hung around for a while and I remember seeing her on SA, but we never got together again.Vanessa Sue was never at Logan Tantric. She was a true independent and when not escorting was dancing on the national strip club circuit. A crappy marriage saw her land back in Chicago. She enjoys a quiet life raising her son. She is a very authentic woman and has aged like a fine wine.
Another agency that is missed Secretly-Yours. The had a young brunette that did reverse cowgirl anal that was devastatingly good.
Vanessa Sue was never at Logan Tantric. She was a true independent and when not escorting was dancing on the national strip club circuit. A crappy marriage saw her land back in Chicago. She enjoys a quiet life raising her son. She is a very authentic woman and has aged like a fine wine.
Another agency that is missed Secretly-Yours. The had a young brunette that did reverse cowgirl anal that was devastatingly good.I didn't mean Vanessa Sue, I never met her. I was referring to Naomi and her redhead friend.
Vanessa Sue was never at Logan Tantric. She was a true independent and when not escorting was dancing on the national strip club circuit. A crappy marriage saw her land back in Chicago. She enjoys a quiet life raising her son. She is a very authentic woman and has aged like a fine wine.
Another agency that is missed Secretly-Yours. The had a young brunette that did reverse cowgirl anal that was devastatingly good.I saw VS once, whatever she was on she was one step above a Zombie. Maybe she was something special in the sack but not on the day that I saw her. She did come off as a nutjob on TER. I was under the impression that she is still dancing somewhere, someone retweeted on of her tweets and it showed up on my feed.
Who is the girl in the Adult Friend Finder ads on this site? The brunette girl with the big tits that swings her hips back and forth. Needed for research purposes.Yandex has a very good reverse image search. Appears to be a camgirl that goes by maey_lace or M at ry L at c€. For your viewing pleasure:
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09-18-19, 21:13
Both of those girls had a connection to Logan Tantricas. There were a bunch of girls working out of an apartment in a different building off of elston, but the lady with the hag voice that answered the phone was the same. They started as a body rub place, but eventually went full service and I was there to help break them into the change in work. Naomi was great, but when I got a taste of the redhead, I was honestly addicted. It was some of the best fucking I've ever had. She was so young, sexy and cool as fuck. Truly a catch of a girl, but thinking of how much meat invasion she got inside her and finding a husband makes me chuckle. Eventually I started getting bored of them and tried other girls and other agencies. When I tried re-connecting with the redhead, she was gone. I know Naomi hung around for a while and I remember seeing her on SA, but we never got together again.They used to work at Logan Tantricas, later went independent together at a place on South Leavitt. Brielle, gorgeous red head with very distinctive arm tattoo, who later became Evie, real name Sophia; best looking / fucking girl I ever had! Got to do DATY on her at Logan, and the most amazing FS after the move. And Tori, blond, who became Naomi, real name Karen. First time I ever really enjoyed a girl that skinny; she ran marathons for fun and seemed to never get tired!
Would pay to see them go at each other, and even more for a threesome! Anyone know where either one is now?
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Ok I need someone more tech savvy.
I was hoping to connect with a lady in another town.
Only way to contact is thru Kik.
I can't on my account as its tied to family.
Would this be a red flag on work iPad.
Thanks.
They used to work at Logan Tantricas, later went independent together at a place on South Leavitt. Brielle, gorgeous red head with very distinctive arm tattoo, who later became Evie, real name Sophia; best looking / fucking girl I ever had! Got to do DATY on her at Logan, and the most amazing FS after the move. And Tori, blond, who became Naomi, real name Karen. First time I ever really enjoyed a girl that skinny; she ran marathons for fun and seemed to never get tired!
Would pay to see them go at each other, and even more for a threesome! Anyone know where either one is now?
StillKicking is online now Report Post.Naomi and EVIE! An All-American goddess! I've only had 2 other girls of that caliber that I met on SA, but honestly Evie edges them out. I couldn't believe a girl like that would be sucking and fucking like she did. Just goes to show you, you never know where that sweetheart you meet in life outside of the hobby has been! Naomi was a serious nympho fuck bunny, but I could tell she got a little jealous when I first met Evie and saw her exclusively after that. Until I got bored of her and started visiting some of the other tail out there. Fun times for sure!
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