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Nelson Muntz
06-07-05, 12:41
Many have asked about the safety and security of the area surrounding P&M's.

I was worried about visiting P&M's myself.

The area around P&M's is family residence and typical neighborhood and appears to be largely Hispanic and black.

Euclid Ave. is a broad well lighted thoroughfare and I have not observed any denizen behavior. The scariest people I've seen are standing outside the doors at P&M's.

They have not bothered anyone as far as I have known.

Oddjob
06-07-05, 21:11
I'm becoming a regular at P&M's and I'm a 56 year old white boy. I've never had any trouble in the area. Dino looks out for his paying customers, because he's got too many non-payers. Prepare to be hassled by the skanks, but there are a couple of gems in the place. Michelle has a great little body, but the drugs are starting to show on her face. There are others at times, but they are mostly older ladies. The neighborhood is residential and well-lit so I wouldn't anticipate any trouble, day or night. It's a strange bar and sometimes you can see real live Springer show episodes when the ladies get a little tipsy...

You can park on Euclid or in the parking lot behind the bar. There is a back door that get's you right into the bar area. 2 pool tables and 5 or six tables around the outer wall.

OCTraveler
06-11-05, 13:23
Nelson - thanks for the photo! Makes a visitor from CA smile.

I used to travel to Chicago and made it over P&M's ... seeing the place again made me smile...even the rain looked normal!

As for the area, I am a very non-imposing bald white guy and I had no problems with the area - in fact, came in once straight from a business day and was greated warmly by the locals. That day hooked up with Tamika and went with her over to one of the apartments the girls use.

Thanks again for bringing back memories.

BadDances
06-17-05, 02:32
Since this thread is new maybe some Vet could post the directions from Chicago for us newbies?

One Putt
06-18-05, 19:55
Take the skyway to the Cline ave extension and get off at Michigan Ave (Inland Steel Plant1). Take a right at the exit stop light and proceed west on Michigan to Euclid. Take a left on Euclid and you will see it. The pic Nelson posted is just after making the left onto Euclid. (Thanks Nelson)

MrWally219
06-24-05, 19:34
I stopped in at P&M's today on the way home from Chi town. It was about 2:30 and I was amazed to find an old friend from the bookstore. The assistant libraian is back in town and as talanted as ever. I have digits to trade.

Oddjob
07-06-05, 01:24
Finally met up with Michelle today about 1:00 pm. Had a rather enjoyable session and I must say that she really works at customer service. One odd note is that everytime that I've seen Michelle in the bar, there is an ECPD car in the lot behind the car repair shop in the north side of Broadway. Is it just me, or is LE keeping an eye on her....

Lapp Dog
07-13-05, 01:49
Stopped by P&M last week after lunch... fortunately Michelle was there to greet me. Opted for a french lesson since my time was limited, but I will admit that this student was gushing with pride at the enthusiasm of the instructor.

Max Xindy
08-17-05, 01:01
Has anyone seen Michelle lately. I've been there and heard that shes hasn't been around lately? Heard a report that a Michelle was on stateline in Hmd. Is it the same Michelle?

Nelson Muntz
08-20-05, 02:05
Hey guys,

Can I find some ladies in here at all times?

I'd hate to drive out from Chicago and find nothing.

ThanksIt's always a roll of the dice. I've been there 4 or 5 times and only once found anyone worth sampling (Michelle) even though there were always girls present.

I drove by the other day and Mabel was sitting outside in her wheel chair, enjoying the hot evening.

Nelson

Big Buff
09-06-05, 10:52
About how far is P and M from the bookstore? I have made the bookstore a regular stop for sometime but I would like to give it a try.

Thanks

CEO Morgan
09-06-05, 11:32
About how far is P and M from the bookstore? I have made the bookstore a regular stop for sometime but I would like to give it a try.

ThanksJust under 5 miles.

1. Start at 3702 EUCLID AVE, EAST CHICAGO going toward BROADWAY ST - go 0.1 mi
2. Turn Right on MICHIGAN AVE - go 0.5 mi
3. Turn Right toward IN-912 SOUTH - go 0.4 mi
4. Merge onto IN-912 SOUTH - go 1.0 mi
5. Take the US-12 EAST exit onto INDUSRIAL AVE[US-12] - go 0.9 mi
6. Continue to follow US-12 EAST - go 2.0 mi
7. Arrive at 4620 INDUSTRIAL HWY, GARY, on the Left

Big Buff
09-06-05, 18:04
thank you kindly CEO!

Champ Chump
09-11-05, 00:37
Well this was my first time visiting P&M's bar. I was there from 8pm till 10:30pm, another lady came in as I was leaving (dressed to kill, but still only a 3 on the scale). I believe there were about 3 women available. I didn't see anyone take advantage of the women's restroom though. I managed to get plenty of numbers for future action amazingly, but nothing for tonight. I met Felicia, Tamika, and another older white lady who appears to be a regular. Actually got Felicia (the barmaid, a 6 on the scale) and Tamika's (a 6 on the scale but a little bit heavy) numbers (sorry, they didn't say that I could post or exchange them). Another item worth mentioning, not exactly sure why anyone wouldn't feel safe here, it's just a normal local bar. Another item worth mentioning was that as soon as women started to talk to me they immediately assumed that I heard of the place through the internet. Apparently, most of the new faces are from the internet. Well, enough for now, I plan on seeing Tamika tomorrow and will post about the experience. Play safe.

Member #5542
09-11-05, 17:47
Has anyone seen Michelle in there lately?

LapDogg
09-25-05, 22:11
I've stopped at PM's a few times over the last few weeks, but it has been disapointing. Felicia has become my favorite but I've been getting there a little too late in the day to partake due to a change in mangement for the evenings. Other pickings have not been too good. The typical skinny crack ho looking gals.

Tried honey's but the normal dances don't do much for me. Perhaps better luck with a VIP, but for that money, might as well do a little reading at the bookstore.

(I've had some issues becoming an active member on the new site, now that it is worked out, I'll be posting regularly) good luck mongers

Butchcasidy
10-02-05, 16:12
Enjoyed an adventure to P & M early Saturday evening. Took Sabrena for a bite to eat, finished with sloppy BJ. She told me that Mabel's BD party is Wednesday. Party starts at 6 the all of the usual characters are putting on a dance song show at 7:30 could be fun.

Champ Chump
10-13-05, 22:36
About 2 weeks ago, I finally hooked with Tamika from P&M's. Since I didn't have much quid or time we decided to parking. She found this excellent spot near a warehouse and the oil tanks near 90 toll road. Under this overgrown overpass, this spot was unbelievable. I got out of the car, opened the passenger door and bent her over the seat in broad daylight! Definitely a quickie, fs for .55 not bad.

SgtPerv
10-15-05, 05:19
Be carefull mongers. She has been stealing from guys at least once a week that I hear about $$$. Be careful dont visit her home.

SgtPerv
10-15-05, 05:23
M does rare showings at P&M she in gets company and gone. She is tring to avoid someone. A local havent seen her in mths. Just missed her a couple times.

Peter_Girth
10-16-05, 16:32
Be carefull mongers. She has been stealing from guys at least once a week that I hear about $$$. Be careful dont visit her home.

I think most of the girls will take you if you give them a chance. But Tamika has such nice, meaty tits, doesn't she?

LapDogg
10-21-05, 22:57
Stopped by PM this week, mid afternoon... rather empty. Sabrena was there. I spoke with her in the past, and she always tried the hard sell. Well, I finally broke down and allowed her to show me her foreign language skills. She was offering further education, but I declined.

Not very enthusiastic but did ended up with Certian Interesting Moments.

There was a heavier set gal there (but not sloppy heavy, just a little on the fuller side) named Salena.. there was something actractive about her face, and she was very polite. May talk with her next time I see here there. Chest looked healthy.

Apparently Sabrena is branching out and she mentioned she had some girls at her new masssage "house". various nationalities. mentioned $ for everything.

Also selling DVD's... including some xxx with her is she is what you like.

Also has a web site now... probably a Yahoo group as the URL she mentioned was someting like yahoo/sexysabrena (spelling???)

Sounds like she branching out and becoming an entreporner

Travel Time
10-25-05, 20:16
M does rare showings at P&M she in gets company and gone. She is tring to avoid someone. A local havent seen her in mths. Just missed her a couple times.I saw her not too long ago. Maybe 2 months? What is the deal with taking off her shirt? Does she have some boob abnormality?

TT

Travel Time
10-25-05, 20:22
Finally met up with Michelle today about 1:00 pm. Had a rather enjoyable session and I must say that she really works at customer service. One odd note is that everytime that I've seen Michelle in the bar, there is an ECPD car in the lot behind the car repair shop in the north side of Broadway. Is it just me, or is LE keeping an eye on her....There is a realy good reason that the PD are always across the street. I do not want to say on the board but ask Mable or Dino? (The big son) about it.

Hope this helps.

TT

Travel Time
10-25-05, 21:08
I always forget which days are the best at PMs. One of the owners is less tolerant of the fun than the others. Can someone remind me of the better days?

I promise to report back.

TT

One Putt
10-26-05, 11:33
Here boobs are normal, just on the small side as she is petite. When I was with her I got the impression she was self conscious of them. When I told her to take her shirt off she did though.

Travel Time
10-27-05, 16:58
Anyone know if PM is open on Sunday? I think the strip clubs in Indiana on RT 20 are closed on Sunday if I recall correctly.

One Putt
10-28-05, 12:40
P&M is not open on Sunday.

The Icon
10-28-05, 21:32
Went in last week, and was immediately approached by Alex. She said that she just started working at the bookstore, using the name Nikki. Much cheaper here than if I would have met her in the bookstore. Dino behind the bar even said that. It was pretty funny to hear him badmouth the bookstore, talking about all the CD's hanging around there and everything. Anyway, fun in the bathroom, she was very enthusiastic. She gave me her number, said she'd meet up on the outside too.

Max Xindy
10-29-05, 22:16
Here boobs are normal, just on the small side as she is petite. When I was with her I got the impression she was self conscious of them. When I told her to take her shirt off she did though.Is Michelle back at P&M on a regular status?

One Putt
10-31-05, 21:58
Nothing about Michelle is regular except her h***** habit. She is young, immature, major addicted and as with youth she is going to do everything HER way. Be careful around when you are with her as she is almost certainly holding "H". A very dangerous combination. The E Chicago cops know her MO and she has stiffed several locals for enough money to piss them off.

Having said that, I've not seen her in a while at P&M's. Those who would like to find her know she hangs there so I imagine she is in to hook a customer and out as fast as possible. She will move to wherever the habit takes her. Probably best to avoid so you're not there when the sh** hits the fan, which WILL happen.

As a provider she is recommended, works hard to please and sexually very submissive at least she was when I was with her.

SpokenOne69
11-01-05, 16:21
No need to worry about LE across the street. They keep an eye on things. However, I would not "stumble"out.

I havent seen Michelle in weeks. I am at P & M weekly. She's all f'd up.

Bend It
11-02-05, 10:21
Last week, visited P & M's at 11 am. Talked with Dino for a little bit, things were pretty low key. The only woman there was Vanessa, playing the video poker machine. She asked if I was there for anything other than a beer, and I politely declined.

About ten minutes later, Pat walked in. I don't get to P & M's very often and I hadn't met her before. She went behind the bar, was talking with Dino, etc., obviously a regular.

She's kind of tall, thin, handful-sized titties, African-American, I'm guessing in her thirties. She had a sexy attitude going on. Didn't give me the hard sell (like so many of the hos at P & M do), we finally left together, went over to her place nearby.

Took off her shirt, played with those titties for a little bit, and found out she has *huge* phuckin' nipples! So, I gave them alot of attention and brought them to their full-sized glory!

I was standing, so I dropped my pants, shoved little Bend It in her mouth, and phucked her mouth for about 20 minutes before giving her a well-deserved facial.

She's not the most skilled artist, but once I figured that out, I took over, grabbing her head and doing it for her. She didn't complain - let me use her mouth however I wanted.

Travel Time
11-02-05, 16:55
Is that the Vanessa that used to work there? White girl? She used to be 1/2 way decent but is now very chunky? We went to the little girls room when she used to work there. She does a nice job.

When you wrote *Huge* my heart sank I was afraid you were going to say co@k! That would be an unpleasant surprise.


Last week, visited P & M's at 11 am. Talked with Dino for a little bit, things were pretty low key. The only woman there was Vanessa, playing the video poker machine. She asked if I was there for anything other than a beer, and I politely declined.

About ten minutes later, Pat walked in. I don't get to P & M's very often and I hadn't met her before. She went behind the bar, was talking with Pete, etc., obviously a regular.

She's kind of tall, thin, handful-sized titties, African-American, I'm guessing in her thirties. She had a sexy attitude going on. Didn't give me the hard sell (like so many of the hos at P & M do), we finally left together, went over to her place nearby.

Took off her shirt, played with those titties for a little bit, and found out she has *huge* phuckin' nipples! So, I gave them alot of attention and brought them to their full-sized glory!

I was standing, so I dropped my pants, shoved little Bend It in her mouth, and phucked her mouth for about 20 minutes before giving her a well-deserved facial.

She's not the most skilled artist, but once I figured that out, I took over, grabbing her head and doing it for her. She didn't complain - let me use her mouth however I wanted.

Bend It
11-03-05, 14:41
Yes, Time, it is the same Vanessa who bartends (or used to). I like older, slutty hos, but time has not been good to her.

SpokenOne69
11-04-05, 19:25
Met Selena last night. Mexican 40+ a little on the chunky side. .6 for two pops at an onlyIknow location.

Hygiene - superior for an sw
performance - average
looks - 4
body - thick around the middle 5"1"
good thick black hair if you like em that way

I would have her again if I see her

Travel Time
11-10-05, 04:47
Went to PM last Wednesday night. Mick was on so the pickin's were extra slim. I had a few beers and settled for a BJ from the 1000 yr old Judy. .20 nothin spectacular.

Warpig2000
11-12-05, 06:32
Went in last week, and was immediately approached by Alex. She said that she just started working at the bookstore, using the name Nikki. Much cheaper here than if I would have met her in the bookstore. Dino behind the bar even said that. It was pretty funny to hear him badmouth the bookstore, talking about all the CD's hanging around there and everything. Anyway, fun in the bathroom, she was very enthusiastic. She gave me her number, said she'd meet up on the outside too.

Hey Icon: Which of the two CT Bookstore 'Nikkis' is Alex: The platinum Blonde with the dishbowl haircut or the younger stacked somewhat plump long haired brunette (with blonde streaks in her hair)?

I'm not surprised that Dino made negative remarks about the bookstore. It follows the old family pattern... back before the internet was around Mabel b!ttched continuously about girls carrying beepers- how it cut into the bars business. Of Course, Mabel and her sons never'got it' that mongers were still horny after midnite and girls don't turn into a pumpkin. So the girls used to go to the old Harbor Lounge or other places back in the day and she b!tched about that as well.

Personally I was never bothered by CDs and other freaks at the bookstore but I'm often besieged by street people selling gold chains or the like at P & M's: or the more egregiously obnoxious skanks hustling drinks or money when they know you won't get a date (e.g. Sabrina). My point? I like Dino, I even tip him when he's behind the bar but I think this comment was out of Line. Dino would do well to STFU and for him and Mickey to clean up the riff-raff from his own bar first. Just my .02

Warpig2000
11-12-05, 07:47
I've been holding out on some P&M reports from mid-late September. Saw Cookie in front of the bar hanging out with Mabel...light-skinned black girl, 5' 7" 38 C's, shapely, just out of jail. CBJ and energetic FS at an apartment 3 blocks away for .4 and .2 for the room. Used to have digits, she lost her phone and never contacted me. Saw Judy the next week.... what was said here is correct, she's talented and reliable. Damn she has a tight twat for an old ho'...she's a spirited ride even if long in the tooth- but in a 'lets get this over with non-GFE way'.

As for Vanessa she gives great service if you like heavier girls. Been in the ladies bathroom with her twice this summer for .4 and .05 to Dino for FS.... Wouldn't mind trying to negotiate a more GFE session with her away from the bar. Oh well, maybe I had weird tastes...

That said, I don't blame Bend It for picking up Pat. Met her at the bar once. Cool Babe. Got digits and called and unfortunately got her kids- twice in a row, and they wanted to know who I was and why I was calling. I hung up and never got back to her (this was over a year ago), if you made the hookup more power to you.

Seleena also sounds interesting. As much as I'm having a falling out with the place ( I left the bar this past Monday night without even buying a drink after getting in a shouting match with Tomika about bringing my bicycle in the bar and putting it next to the cigarette machine.... I'll be damned if I was going to leave it by the Euclid door where the first street person walking in could walk off with it with my back turned). Oh well, that's my new policy at P & M's... don't kiss anyones ass. They want my money they can give me the respect I'm due as a customer or *I* walk.... Its about NOT letting the little head let idiots take advantage of us. But enough of my rant let's get back to mongering ;)

SpokenOne69
11-17-05, 19:39
Visited P & M's the other day. Tanya, medium skin black, 5"10" nice arse small chest was at the bar. Legetimized myself by being acknowledged by the bar staff. Bought her a P & M martini - she might have two. She gets intoxicated and things go down hill from there. Agree on a price as she's drinking her martini. Goes to talk to a bro in the corner. Comes back and says give me half now. I tell her that I dont do that and I'll have another beer which turns into about four beers. Bottom line is she turns me down later in the evening.

The second part is Alexis (your guys know her maybe as Nikki at the bookstore) comes in and starts dancing around erotically. I've had her before and she knows my face. She denies me also stating "I'm not working tonight!"

I have Felecia call someone for me and the chick says it's too late and she has to go to work in the morning - denied again!

Of course Judy and Sabarina were there but I dont see them.

Anyway, I still recovering from being shot down. First for me in many moons.

Anybody else seeing some of this? I will try to hook up with Tanya next time I see her though.

Crusin
11-25-05, 15:10
Anyone seen a bartender who used to work there about a year ago and went by the name of Tiffany?

I have only been there maybe six times in the past year but wondered if she still works there.

Pig Barber
11-27-05, 04:32
Earlier this week visited this bar two days in a row. Either I was very unlucky or tastes differ. I didn't see any girls above 1-2 on a ten scale. The only exception is Felicia, the bartender, who is about 5-6 on a 10 scale, but I am not sure whether she is available. BTW she drinks a lot, and by the late evening she was very drunk. Did anybody tried to get her?

Ken Blue Eyes
11-27-05, 14:45
Stopped by Saturday afternoon when I was in the area. Dead, dead, dead.
Saw who I think was Vanessa. Nice set of puppies hanging out the front, but not my type. Is she pregnant or is that her normal status? Nobody else around. Half a dozen guys there watching the football game.

Ken

Oddjob
11-27-05, 19:10
She used to be quite a bit thinner, but in the last year she has put on quite a bit of weight. I'm afraid that what you saw was what you'll get.

SpokenOne69
11-30-05, 11:20
Vanessa might be pregnant. She did have a baby not too long ago. Regardless, she's not my type.

Felicia is easily had. Suprised she did not bring it up to you. You gotta wait around for her to get off or maybe in the john. But, really she works in the evenin' and Mickey frowns on using the john. IMO I don't think she is that great of a performer. She teases alot.

If you go there enough times, a diamond can and will usually be found. Not easy, because the good ones dont come in that often or come in at unusual times.

I found one this past summer, dont remember her name, but what a fox for a sw! Havent seen her since. She came in from Ohio or something like that and was looking for a little extra scratch. Most likely a part timer.

P T Marauder
11-30-05, 16:21
Personally I was never bothered by CDs and other freaks at the bookstore...Ok, I give. I get most of the acronyms, and the ones I don't are generally in the Abbreviations list, but what the heck is CDs? Criminal Deviants? Cum Duckers? Card-carrying Dykes?

Massage Man
12-01-05, 17:03
CD would stand for cross dresser...or a guy in women's clothes.


Ok, I give. I get most of the acronyms, and the ones I don't are generally in the Abbreviations list, but what the heck is CDs? Criminal Deviants? Cum Duckers? Card-carrying Dykes?

Warpig2000
12-01-05, 17:54
Ok, I give. I get most of the acronyms, and the ones I don't are generally in the Abbreviations list, but what the heck is CDs? Criminal Deviants? Cum Duckers? Card-carrying Dykes?


my bad. CD= Cross Dresser (also TV/TS means Transvestite/Transexual)

To elaborate my point: Pete at the bookstore is pretty open minded and opens his place to a number of alternative lifestyles, but most of these you may encounter will leave mongers who are there to play with the dancers alone.

On the other hand, you will always have skanks you don't want to play with hound you for either a drink or $5 'for something to eat' (when they want to score a fix probabaly) at P & M's while you are looking for a diamond in the rough. Also the occasional egregious street salesman who just happens to have some gold chain, cologne, etc he wants to fence.... Dino and Mickey would do well to keep these sorts from scaring away the customers, just my .02

P T Marauder
12-02-05, 11:17
Ah, of course. I must have had my brain set on clueless. Or, I just wasn't on the right -tran- of thought -haha-.

People pursuing other play paths don't bother me, heck, they might be on to something that my redneck midwestern upbringing prohibits me from considering. I don't much care for the tip scrounging, though, or the entitlement attitude that sometimes comes with it.


my bad. CD= Cross Dresser (also TV/TS means Transvestite/Transexual)

To elaborate my point: Pete at the bookstore is pretty open minded and opens his place to a number of alternative lifestyles, but most of these you may encounter will leave mongers who are there to play with the dancers alone.

On the other hand, you will always have skanks you don't want to play with hound you for either a drink or $5 'for something to eat' (when they want to score a fix probabaly) at P & M's while you are looking for a diamond in the rough. Also the occasional egregious street salesman who just happens to have some gold chain, cologne, etc he wants to fence.... Dino and Mickey would do well to keep these sorts from scaring away the customers, just my .02

Crusin
12-02-05, 22:09
Anyone ever been in or had any luck in any of the small bars around P&Ms?While driving around the area I have seen a few girls walk into some of the small bars that are located within about a 1/2 mile area but I have never gone in any of them.

AssMaster
12-05-05, 04:20
Who remembers Alice from around a year ago?

What is she up to?

I gave up the hobby awhile back and I'm just trying to make sure no one I was ever with (they were limited in number) has come down with HIV or something. For some reason, I'm very nervous about this.

Any word?

Travel Time
12-11-05, 15:40
Anyone ever been in or had any luck in any of the small bars around P&Ms?While driving around the area I have seen a few girls walk into some of the small bars that are located within about a 1/2 mile area but I have never gone in any of them.I have visited several with zero luck and zero prospects. There has to be something. If you ask at PMs they will say that there is no street action and no other bars. They try to keep the market to themselves.

SgtPerv
01-05-06, 03:11
Stopped by p&m to look for something new. Dino walks over hands me house phone said it was Michelle. Talked to her about 30 sec dino standing there holding phone. In a shaky voice asked if I was going to be there long if so she was coming down. Now I haven't seen her in few months and I heard she has put on some weight ,so I was curious started thinking french for some reason ha ha, but the shaky voice wasn't appealing so I told her I leaving in 15 min she said she'd be there in ten and gave me her digits I left in 5. I was wanting to at least get a look but sometimes you just have follow your big head.

Sgt

SgtPerv
01-06-06, 07:45
I have tried euclid tap (two blocks south) seems like L. E. Enjoys cocktails there off duty. Not a monger heaven by far. There use to be a mexican bar on columbus across from the starks grocery store. Girls used to come in there and could be taken. Management don't like it so it has to look like a bar pick up. I haven't been there in a while I'll have to recon the area and get back and there is a place called charlie tuna have seen girls there that I know work but I like to recon an area a few times get to know the bartender on casual basis, build a good relation first. That way in case something goes south (like nut case girl) at least somebdy in the place don't think I a bad guy. This precaution has served me well a few times. Oh this place is located 1 block south then 1 block east. Seems very safe during day never tried nights. Bar is on s. W. Corner.

SpokenOne69
01-16-06, 12:53
There are possibilities at any low blue collar bar where wimmin are drinking heavily and high on drugs. Keep your eyes and ears open and you will be surprised.

Was at P &M about four weeks ago ( when we had the snowstorm). A hispanic female walks in with no shoes on (yes I said it correct). Her escort is a fair skinned big boned attractive black female. They appear to be lesbians from their initial actions. I was talking to Mickey and he looks confused at what he just saw - there was 10 inches of snow on the ground.

Anyway, I start talking to the bare footed one and get the impression that she's all f**ked on something most likely crack. But she says that she owns a bar in EC. Continue the conversation and buy her a few drinks. She and the other one say follow us to another bar in EC that her mother owns. Mickey & Felicia tells me to watch myself. I leave in my car follow them in theirs. Go there and ther are a few ( appeared hispanic) to pick from but not to my liking.

I keep going back and forth btweeen the two of them because I cant figure out which one I want to have. I cant get one to be by herself and feel that they are setting me up for a robbery. No mention of price - one kept saying that she was horny and me buying her drinks was enough (yea right - like I look like brad pitt).

I will answer a PM on the name of the bar in EC from Senior members with multiple posts only for the name of the bar. It would be worth a recon. I must curtail my alcohol intake or I would do it my selft and report.

SgtPerv
01-19-06, 19:17
Drove up and down Broadway ,the street that runs east &weast of P&M, seen a few sw right around Main St(jewlery store,liquer store area) made a few passes got eye contact but L.E was also around . The sw along with some creepy types were half hiding along the buildings like cochrouches. One younger girl waved 25 ish. I was pulling over and it looked like a scene from the movie DAWN OF THE DEAD where the zombies come out with there arms out stretched, I did my impression of SPEED RACER. I waited a half hour and thought girl might be more alone. I drove by in time to see her enter a car zombies mouths moving driver shaking his head no it seemed as he was pulling off. I dont like hassles .

sgt

Dudder
02-10-06, 19:54
I stopped by P&M at 3:30 PM it was pretty slow 3 customers and 5 girls. I met Denise bsw probably around 30 yrs old she works weekends as a dancer at Shangri-La in Gary she was a step up from your typical P&M crackwhore. I must have been her first customer because she couldn't believe how disgusting and nasty the bathroom looks she thought that they had a backroom. I got a bbbjcim for $.2 which is a bargain considering that she gets a $.5 tip plus you have to pay for songs at Shangri-La, the only downside she pulled off before I was finished. I gave her a ride home afterwards she lives like 6 blocks from P&M.

Mr Mr
02-17-06, 20:56
Seems like Friday is the day there. Stopped by, didn't see much when a light skinned black chick named Michelle walked in. Nice looking, thin, dressed well, bothered to fix herself up a bit and looked good. Settled on a couple of jacksons for a bbbj and went to her place. Good time, she's skilled, worth the extra 10. She never stopped once until I nutted. She offered digits, I declined.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'll pay a few bucks extra for a girl who fixes themselves up a bit and is pleasent to deal with. She was all that and a little more. She's a little shaky though, some kind of habit, but her eyes were clear when I had her.

Bend It
03-16-06, 13:02
Just a bump to see if anyone has any been there recently - I've been away for a while. Best wishes,

Bend It

Crusin
03-18-06, 22:04
Stopped by P&M tonight around 6 or so and just business as usual.Three customers and 4-5 girls, none of which I even let my dog jump.

Jackbb
04-14-06, 02:40
Where's this place located? What type of girls? Working girls?

Thanks!

P T Marauder
04-16-06, 00:02
I've never been to P&M's, although I've checked out books at the library a few times. On a scale of 1 to 10, how skanky is it, really? I'd only visit for the entertainment, I'm not into the altered mental states thing.

Jasper Malloy
04-17-06, 01:18
8. Make sure you've had your shots before entering.

Mr Mr
04-17-06, 18:04
I've never been to P&M's, although I've checked out books at the library a few times. On a scale of 1 to 10, how skanky is it, really? I'd only visit for the entertainment, I'm not into the altered mental states thing.It's downscale, but once in awhile there's a Gem working. The rest of the time it makes the SW scene look attractive. I've been twice, once nothing, once a decent looking, albeit hopheaded, chick looked decent enough to try out. I am not planning to go back any time soon.

Mr Mr

Rileym
04-18-06, 09:32
alright, so i'm scrolling backwards and i get to mr mr's post about the light skinned....fine post, nice info, until i read the last part: 2 jacksons PLUS a 10 tip?????? Gentlemen, we must remember that one of us overpaying and inflating "the market" will have us all overpaying real soon!!!! just my 2 cents.

P T Marauder
04-18-06, 11:32
So, full containment suit then. Gotcha.


8. Make sure you've had your shots before entering.

Warpig2000
04-18-06, 14:40
alright, so i'm scrolling backwards and i get to mr mr's post about the light skinned....fine post, nice info, until i read the last part: 2 jacksons PLUS a 10 tip?????? Gentlemen, we must remember that one of us overpaying and inflating "the market" will have us all overpaying real soon!!!! just my 2 cents.

Riley is basically right on here! In theory I can see paying extra for a service upgrade- MSOG, Anal, BBBJ rather than CBJ if you're thinking with the small head rather than safety, duos, etc.

The problem w/ P & M's girls in general (with the exception of occasional diamonds in the rough) is that they think once they have cheddar they should get you off quickly and split. Examples: I paid Judy $ once having discussed anal, she took the money suggested fs first and I creamed before I got to her ass and you can bet there was NO refund or second round. So... she was perfectly happy with .5 next round and ever since- go figure. (yes I repeated because of past good experiences but I damn sure let her know she screwed up getting any more 'big money' from me in the future) Best strategy is to get yr nut and then offer xtra on round 2 if you need it.... and don't be embarrased to be hold the line because they ain't necessarily ethical once the taste of the crack pipe is in their brain.

Mr Mr
04-18-06, 17:55
alright, so i'm scrolling backwards and i get to mr mr's post about the light skinned....fine post, nice info, until i read the last part: 2 jacksons PLUS a 10 tip?????? Gentlemen, we must remember that one of us overpaying and inflating "the market" will have us all overpaying real soon!!!! just my 2 cents.My apologies, I certainly did not wish to harm the bargaining power of others. I'll be more careful in the future. I see transactions differently as I explained in the original post. I'll keep the rest of you in mind in the future. I also messed up the abbreviation, it was a CBJ, not a BBBJ. One look at the providor and you'd know why. Again, sorry, I'm new.

Mr Mr

SpokenOne69
04-20-06, 16:40
Might be some action tonight around 7:30 PM or 8:00PM. A certain individual is celebrating a b-day there. I am pretty sure that she's a part time and not a bad looker, albeit, black.

Was there last night and here family was there in a pre celebratory mood. Family defined as mother and sister and her sister who works behind the bar.

Judy, Tameeka (who seems to have lost some weight) and Dot (?) and Felectia (bartender) were there. Had one virgin gin and left. Warm weather might bring on some partimers there.

Dudder
04-29-06, 15:40
I stopped by P&M last night at 8:00 2 black girls and Judy were working so not very much happening. I was told that Michelle is 5 months pregnant but she is still working.

SpokenOne69
05-17-06, 09:59
Was at P & M's last night for a few and some observations. Several regulars were there with a couple new faces rushing in and then out. Bartender Felecia stated that one of the "workers" was drunk and others were getting her home (?). Two were doable but left before I could get a chance to negotiate. Michelle showed up and her appearance has gone downhill. Looked as though she had not slept in 6 days.

Any comments on the new food menu there?

One Putt
05-23-06, 00:24
Spent some time on 2 nites last week at P&M. The usual cast of characters including Michelle who I sessioned with. She is pregnant with twins and says she is getting an abortion. Still she is sweet and a total GFE pleaser, just tell her what you want her to do.

Got an offer from Tracy and Denise, "I'll suck your cock and she will lick your balls and toss your salad." I was tempted but passed only because Tracy is too much of a head case for my liking. The girls seem to be getting more creative in trying to score though.

Charlene told me Mabel is in a nursing home and might not be with us much longer. The surviving sons plan to sell the place when she passes according to her. Low quality aside, this place is an institution with every woman being available for hire, low key, safe and friendly. Much like the bars in Mexico. Maybe the tradition will continue since East Chicago is in hispanic political hands now. Hey things could get better with the Mexican tradition of corruption. After all, it keeps the activity off the streets for the most part keeping the neighborhoods happy yet still offers consenting adults the opportunity to play. Enjoy it while you still can.

Be respectful, pay no more than .10 to .40 depending on service desired.
P&M is wired into the local LE and if you see them in the lot across the street
I think it's cover just to make sure everyone comes and goes in safety. They
aren't looking to bust you if you're driving safely.

These girls are into drugs and I always make them prove to me they aren't holding any when in my car.

Just my .02

MrNatURL
05-23-06, 03:16
Was there on a Mon. night about a week ago, Heavy white chick at the back door started hasslin for a buck. Jesus. Then she started to talk some trash for which I was in no mood. Did a few shots with the bartender who seemed really nice and I would have liked to have taken home to meet mom. Judy was really rushed and atypically annoying.

Too bad about M. going downhill. If I see her I'll be sure o drive her directly to Planned Parenthood. I'm not "father of the year material" but Jesus Christ!!

Otherwise the place was clean and comfortable without the usual loitering thugs standing in the corners.

Bend It
05-23-06, 12:00
Got an offer from Tracy and Denise, "I'll suck your cock and she will lick your balls and toss your salad." I was tempted but passed only because Tracy is too much of a head case for my liking. The girls seem to be getting more creative in trying to score though.

LOL! Great offer, One Putt.

I'm trying to remember, was it Tracy who spent an hour shoving my dick down her throat, deepthroating it? This would have been about 1 1/2 years ago. Wish I could remember, because if it was her, I'd recommend you take them up on the two-fer deal. The deepthroat was outstanding. Whoever it was, did something I'd never experienced before - when I was ready to come, went all the way down, chin pressed up against my balls, and I shot my load directly down her throat, by-passing her mouth. Outstanding!

I've not met Denise yet - who is she and is she recommended?

Bend It

Jackbb
05-24-06, 12:14
The holiday weeekend is coming up and I'm planning a trip to the Gary area, if I can get away. I'm want to visit the CTS, and would like to stop at P&M too. Would your please tell me where's its located? I promise not to eat more than my fill!

Thanks JackBB

SpokenOne69
05-25-06, 10:58
I connected with Emily the other night. Got all I wanted for .4. Emily is tall, real dark, thin approx 40. Good session. First time I have seen her at P/M. Other girls did not seem to know her. She told me she was a partimer. Suspect that was true.

Butchcasidy
05-29-06, 16:00
Stopped by Friday evening. Sat and watched the NBA and shoot the shit with the locals. Emily came by and we chatted for a while she said that it was a bad day on the street and she only made .35 for the day. Complained of being hungry and without sleep for two days, go figure. She said that there are a number of girls who work Broadway all day and night. Then she pointed out a hsw as I let her out who looked younger and much fresher. Got BBBJ for .15 and dropped her off at the taco store down the street.

Tom Arnold
05-31-06, 19:38
Stopped by PM tues a little after 6 p.m., Met a girl named denise has anyone previuosly had a date with her and can give info on it. in addition she said the girls cant do dates in the bar after 6pm just wondering if this is true.

SpokenOne69
06-12-06, 09:56
Stopped in P & M's Saturday afternoon. Selected Denise. She's ok and good to go. Made a deposit on the left side of her face. Tell her what you want and she will deliver. She's happy with .4. Emma Judy Pat Denise Monica were all there.

Unfortunately, the bad news. P & M is for sale per Dino and Mickey. Mable passed on to the next world. Funeral was last Monday.

Dont know what the new owners (if any) will do with the place. My opionion is that it only has value as a bar, although it could use some updating. Rumor has it that Mexicans will buy the place. That could be good for us in that the talent may improve.

MrL141
06-12-06, 17:16
http://www.nwitimes.com/articles/2006/06/12/lives_lived/lives_lived/5edc4435c595a71d8625718a0078ec94.txt


***This article was in the 6/12 Hammond Times

Mabel Harretos: A kind, merciful soul

BY STEVE ZABROSKI
Times Correspondent

This story ran on nwitimes.com on Monday, June 12, 2006 12:30 AM CDT



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Mabel Harretos touched many lives during the 60 years she ran her tavern in Indiana Harbor, and had a front-row seat for the Calumet Region's passing parade.

The daughter of Greek immigrants opened Pete and Mabel's on Michigan Avenue with her husband in 1946 to a neighborhood flush with the reality that East Chicago industry had just won the war in Europe.

She and Pete picked themselves up after a 1974 fire destroyed their building, and relocated the bar and grill to new space at Euclid and Broadway, where Mabel lived until her death June 2 at the age of 88.

Mabel's Cyclops hamburgers -- seasoned half-pound behemoths handmade years before big sandwiches became popular -- fed many a steelworker from the union hall across the street, and were featured in region dining guides through the 1960s and 1970s.

Pete was the ambassador, rubbing elbows with sportsmen and politicians until his death in 1991, while Mabel kept a savvy eye on the balance sheet -- amassing comfortable savings even as prosperity fled the harbor with the waning of Big Steel.

Her threat to withdraw her accounts from Michigan Avenue's last bank kept the office open for an extra year in 1996.

But mostly, Mabel will be remembered for her mercy, as noted by the Rev. Constantine Aliferakis at her funeral a week ago.

Little League or Pop Warner clubs in the harbor area benefited from the support of Pete and Mabel's, and as hard times descended on the neighborhood, Mabel was always good for a meal or loan to those in need.

Charity begins at home, and her sons, Deno, Harry and Mickey, were the joys of her life, along with her 10 grandchildren and 13 great-grandchildren.

"You're all right, the world's all wrong," she would say with a smile to customers dwelling perhaps too deeply on their circumstances.

"Just remember, tomorrow's another day."

Traveler One
06-14-06, 16:42
Too bad about Mabel. She was a sweet lady. I doubt that bar is worth much. I hope that we can find a suitable replacement. There does not seem to be much else around there that I can find.


Stopped in P & M's Saturday afternoon. Selected Denise. She's ok and good to go. Made a deposit on the left side of her face. Tell her what you want and she will deliver. She's happy with .4. Emma Judy Pat Denise Monica were all there.

Unfortunately, the bad news. P & M is for sale per Dino and Mickey. Mable passed on to the next world. Funeral was last Monday.

Dont know what the new owners (if any) will do with the place. My opionion is that it only has value as a bar, although it could use some updating. Rumor has it that Mexicans will buy the place. That could be good for us in that the talent may improve.

CEO Morgan
06-15-06, 17:22
I doubt that bar is worth much. I hope that we can find a suitable replacement. I wonder what is being asked for the place and if it is actually worth the trouble?

Deep Subman
06-16-06, 12:51
Very good reporting MrL141, this forum needs more guys like you. May Mabel RIP. Had it not been for MrL141 I would not have known.

Oddjob
06-16-06, 15:47
I certainly hope that the bar stays open for a while. The ECPD knows what goes on there, but were reluctant to do anything as long as Mabel was alive. They may extend that courtesy to the boys, but it will probably end before too long. I guess that we had all better stop in and enjoy before we lose another spot for fun.....

SpokenOne69
06-26-06, 10:07
What a Friday night at P &M's! Selena shows up loooking and smelling like she just walked out of the shower. About a dozen drinks later she is drunk. Get her to follow me to a motel. About half way there she does a uturn and heads back. WTF!??!? Go back to P & M and settle for Tracy. Must have been the new moon, because her performance was excellent. BBBJ and deposit on her face. The weird thing was that while she was doeing me she was frigging herself. It continued to completion well after I was done. That's a first for me

ChicaGobling
07-15-06, 23:17
Hey now,

I stopped by kinda got scared the neighborhood is the HOOD. I can't drive a nice car there, but ened up else where. The place looked closed.

Warpig2000
07-16-06, 14:34
I certainly hope that the bar stays open for a while. The ECPD knows what goes on there, but were reluctant to do anything as long as Mabel was alive. They may extend that courtesy to the boys, but it will probably end before too long. I guess that we had all better stop in and enjoy before we lose another spot for fun.....


Now is a good time for mongers to start polling the girls as to their plans if/when the bar is closed down, and to report the same semi-discreetly to the group. Just a thought...

SpokenOne69
07-18-06, 14:39
Chicagobling

Park in the parking lot. It's safe. The rough looking cats dont bother you there. They know where their bread is buttered. I usually dont park in the street. Mickey (eve) & Dino (days) will watch your back. Start a conversation with them. Get to know your face. The bartenders are also a wealth of info. Talk to them and you would be suprised how much a dollar tip gets.

I drive a nice pretty car that in other comparable areas would be long gone

I had the same reservations when I started goind to this place a few year ago.

AMPM
07-23-06, 02:57
What time is this establishment open until?


Chicagobling

Park in the parking lot. It's safe. The rough looking cats dont bother you there. They know where their bread is buttered. I usually dont park in the street. Mickey (eve) & Dino (days) will watch your back. Start a conversation with them. Get to know your face. The bartenders are also a wealth of info. Talk to them and you would be suprised how much a dollar tip gets.

I drive a nice pretty car that in other comparable areas would be long gone

I had the same reservations when I started goind to this place a few year ago.

Bend It
07-23-06, 22:36
What time is this establishment open until?

They close ridiculously early for a bar. I was there once when they were running everyone out at 8 pm!?! Now that Mabel's gone, I'm not sure if that's changed . . .

SpokenOne69
07-27-06, 08:30
Suggest you visit Friday & Saturday. they will be open until at least 11:00 PM. They are rarely open past 11:00 PM. Mondays are good because the place is closed on Sunday and, well, the girls ran out of money.

My experience is that you just never know with this place. Others have commented on some gems that just appear at any time. But, if I had to pick a day it would be Friday around 5-6:00 PM and then action picks up about 8:00 again.

Veteran mongers who frequent this place will advise that you just need to put in your time. It helps if you like alkeyhol. Drinks are reasonable e g 2.50 for becks/heineken

Midwest10
07-27-06, 13:07
Anyone been here lately - I will be in the area late next week and I'm wondering if its worth stopping?

Any info would be appreciated

Dick Tracy
08-06-06, 23:29
Anyone been there recently? Is the place still open. Kinda scared to drive down there cause of that sniper shooting.

MrWally219
08-07-06, 10:39
Stopped in Saturday evening for a look see about 8:00. Felicia was behind the bar and Tracy was the only other female in the building. Had a beer and left. Still the same place, nothing has changed.

Traveler One
08-22-06, 12:03
Anyone been there recently? Is the place still open. Kinda scared to drive down there cause of that sniper shooting.I am less scared of the sniper and more scared of the bar.

Mr Mr
08-22-06, 18:30
Anyone been there recently? Is the place still open. Kinda scared to drive down there cause of that sniper shooting.Sniper is still around. I chatted with the owner for a bit, they're still flogging the place, and he doesn't appear to be in a hurry. Told me the place used to be a Pontiac dealership back in the day. The sniper theory at the bar is it's a disgruntled gambler from the casino trying to scare away business because he or she lost a "ton of dough."

There were two girls there, neither one I'd do anything with.

MR MR

Dick Tracy
08-22-06, 23:30
I am less scared of the sniper and more scared of the bar.Bar's ok - went there back in Jan - enjoy talking to the friendly bartender - black lady that drank a lot (can't remeber her name now). Never picked up anyone there, but did see an ok looking hsw that was a little too pushy to do business with me. Very hard for me to go out and do anything now with the SO around.

Midwest10
08-23-06, 07:45
I thought this place closed about a month ago. At least it looked closed when I drove past it.

Somebody confirm please.

Traveler One
08-23-06, 07:58
I thought this place closed about a month ago. At least it looked closed when I drove past it.

Somebody confirm please.It always looks closed. Lots of walkers.

Butchcasidy
08-29-06, 01:05
Stopped by on Sat. place was dark, went to the back door, NOT OPEN. Is the decadence of East Chi. finiallly closed?

Traveler One
08-29-06, 20:44
Stopped by on Sat. place was dark, went to the back door, NOT OPEN. Is the decadence of East Chi. finiallly closed?The riff-raff will move to somewhere near, guaranteed. It may not be as overt as PMs and not as LE friendly but it will move over to the nearest riff-raff bar.

Bend It
08-30-06, 10:44
Stopped by on Sat. place was dark, went to the back door, NOT OPEN. Is the decadence of East Chi. finiallly closed?

They often close very early in the evenings (8ish). Hope they're not permanently closed . . .

Jackbb
09-01-06, 02:38
Planning on Visiting the area On 9/1, where's P&M located?

Oddjob
09-01-06, 18:01
P&M's is still open although the business is up for sale. I was in there this afternoon and talked with Dino myself. He says that nothing much has changed except Mabel is not there anymore. The bar closes early in the evening depending on when business drops off, but I think it's a pretty safe bet that everyone is home in time for the 10:00 p.m. news. I don't think that they're ever open until 11:00.

Traveler One
09-01-06, 19:06
Planning on Visiting the area On 9/1, where's P&M located?On Euclide between Columbus and Chicago as I recall.

Heavy Dog
09-02-06, 00:49
I don't know the exact address but it is in East Chicago,Ind. on the corner of Euclid and Broadway. Stopped in there myself in Sept 2004 on vacation and it is pretty much like everyone desribes it. I did park my rental car in the back parking lot and had no problems at that time,but you also can look out the back door and see your vehicle anytime you want to. Hope This Helps.

Midwest10
09-25-06, 11:09
Can anybody fill me in if this is still open. Last two times I was there it was closed. I've asked this before and nobody has confirmed it. It's a 60 mile drive and I want to make sure I'm not wasting my time. Last I heard the property was going to be sold after the death.



Thank you in advance for the heads up!

MrWally219
09-25-06, 15:08
I stopped in Friday and had a cold one. Normal group of characters were in attendance. For sale signs are up, but no takers as yet.

Oddjob
09-25-06, 16:25
It is definitely still open but be aware that they are never open much later than 10:00 p.m., if they make it that long. You definitely have to hit this place early in the evening because there is no set closing time, they close when business slacks off or when whoever is working wants to go home. The place is for sale and has Century 21 signs prominently displayed, so who knows how long it will stay around.

P T Marauder
09-27-06, 09:42
Maybe we should form a consortium and make them an offer. "Mongers Unlimited", or something like that.


It is definitely still open but be aware that they are never open much later than 10:00 p.m., if they make it that long. You definitely have to hit this place early in the evening because there is no set closing time, they close when business slacks off or when whoever is working wants to go home. The place is for sale and has Century 21 signs prominently displayed, so who knows how long it will stay around.

Mr Mr
09-27-06, 18:00
Maybe we should form a consortium and make them an offer. "Mongers Unlimited", or something like that.Now that's an idea whose time has come.

Butchcasidy
10-21-06, 12:39
Tonight is the last night for this institution. They are closing for good after tonight. It seems only fitting that Felicia's Birthday party is also tinght for the grand finale.

I wonder if it will be an all star cast in attendance?

P T Marauder
10-22-06, 15:14
Damn. Anybody know if they sold their liquor license?


Tonight is the last night for this institution. They are closing for good after tonight. It seems only fitting that Felicia's Birthday party is also tinght for the grand finale.

I wonder if it will be an all star cast in attendance?

Desibaba
10-22-06, 15:26
Tonight is the last night for this institution. They are closing for good after tonight. It seems only fitting that Felicia's Birthday party is also tinght for the grand finale.

I wonder if it will be an all star cast in attendance?Wow. This place is closing down humn!

Scary neighbourhood but kinda sure bet if u go there early. I remember I was there last in 2004 - picked up Michelle and went to her or her buddy's place (some guy). Had great BBBJ followed by OK service - no rush though. I did save her buddy's number that time who was telling me when Michelle wasn't around that he knows some other gals too but never got around to call him and lost the number eventually.

Peter_Girth
10-22-06, 15:37
Very good reporting MrL141, this forum needs more guys like you. May Mabel RIP. Had it not been for MrL141 I would not have known.

Boy, I have not checked this thread in a while, only to learn today about Mabel's passing. And that the bar is now closed and being sold. I ain't one of the "regulars" but I did enjoy the occasional tryst with Tameka and some of the other girls on occasion. May Mabel RIP, and hopefully the party will continue in her absence.

Azil
11-21-06, 20:12
I'm sorry I missed the closing -- I'd have liked to see the place one more time. It was a lot of fun, but we al knew it couldn't last.

Does anybody know where the ladies have gone?

Count Dante
12-28-06, 15:37
Does anyone know what happened to the bartender's there (like Felicia and Vannessa)?

Traveler One
12-29-06, 18:27
Any new action pop up in that area? There are obviously plenty of girls working. I wonder where they went.

Count Dante
12-29-06, 19:59
Any new action pop up in that area? There are obviously plenty of girls working. I wonder where they went.There has got to be another hooker hang out spot with all of the pro's in Gary / East Chicago / Hammond. I just don't know enough about NWI to know where.

One Putt
01-14-07, 12:03
I saw one of the old P&M girls outside Charlie Tuna's one evening, didn't have time to stop and investigate. It's located 1 block south and 1 block East of P&M's on the corner. Mr Vee bar is kitty corner. This or these two bars are likely candidates for the girls alhough I don't know for sure. Would be worth a little investigation and please report if you stop by these places. Local patrons might be able to shed some intel on where and how the scene has shifted.

Warpig2000
01-14-07, 18:02
I saw one of the old P&M girls outside Charlie Tuna's one evening, didn't have time to stop and investigate. It's located 1 block south and 1 block East of P&M's on the corner. Mr Vee bar is kitty corner. This or these two bars are likely candidates for the girls alhough I don't know for sure. Would be worth a little investigation and please report if you stop by these places. Local patrons might be able to shed some intel on where and how the scene has shifted.


Good reconisance. I talked on the phone with a former P & M's 'lady' who left the area over 5 years ago to move back to her family in Southern Wisconsin (Rose is definately out of the biz- don't even ask) and she thought I could look for one of her old 'girlfriends' at Charlie Tunas. We're talking one of the usual suspects (Judy). I even told a couple mongers this back channel- I just didn't want to break it to the open forum because I'm not at all sure how 'monger friendly' the management of this bar is as compared to P&M's, or to what extent EC's finest might put pressure on another establishment that they wouldn't on P & M's ( There was a LT. in the police department who was Mabel's nephew....)

Please use discression and common sense when checking out this new playground. It only takes one jerkoff propositioning housewives, schoolgirls, other 'civillians' to ruin it for all of us by stiring up the attention of the neighborhood watch and especially from the boys in blue. Also, these bars are likely to have neighborhood 'regulars' who we don't want to piss off as they are the bread and butter for management. Continued good will at Charlie Tuna's and Mr. Vees' probably depends on our ability to 'blend in'.

On the other hand, if its a new venue that won't tollerate panhandling and loiterers who harrass their customers, the closing of Mabels may actually be a good thing ;)

Bend It
01-15-07, 12:49
Yes, I've been wondering about which bars around there (if any) these wh*res would start to frequent. I'll check out Charlie's and Vee sometime this week, hopefully.

Bend It

Xavier Wash
01-18-07, 14:56
Hello all,

I did some Q&A with some of the fellows that use to go to P&M's and heard that the ladies can be found at two local bars.They told me that if you want latino ladies that the place to go is Tanapas a Spanish bar located close to P&Ms. I was also told that if you are looking for he black & white girls to go to the Rainbow Lounge. I really don't know were these two bars are but was told they are only a few minutes from P&M's. If anyone finds them let me know about the action but if I go first I will report.

X-man

Max Xindy
01-18-07, 19:30
Any one try the mentioned Charlies to see if the P&M girls are there? Has anyone seen Michelle lately?

Count Dante
01-19-07, 00:59
Any one try the mentioned Charlies to see if the P&M girls are there? Has anyone seen Michelle lately?Only in the two porn films she did. :) She told me what they were about 5 months ago, and I recently got around to seeing them. To be quite honest, she looked about the same in the movies although the face was less strung out. Same great ass! Same saggy/wrinkled titties :). Infact, she kept her bra on for most of both of them like she does when she is with a client. I don't normally say this, but that girl could really use a nice pair of bolt ons. At the bare minimum, it would increase her self-confidence.

Max Xindy
01-20-07, 21:30
Only in the two porn films she did. :) She told me what they were about 5 months ago, and I recently got around to seeing them. To be quite honest, she looked about the same in the movies although the face was less strung out. Same great ass! Same saggy/wrinkled titties :). Infact, she kept her bra on for most of both of them like she does when she is with a client. I don't normally say this, but that girl could really use a nice pair of bolt ons. At the bare minimum, it would increase her self-confidence.
what are the names of the movies she did?

Count Dante
01-21-07, 03:23
what are the names of the movies she did?"paintball babes" and "sexy carwash girls" paintball babes was a girl/girl scene and sexy carwash girls was a boy/girl scene.

Top Dawg
02-02-07, 19:06
Hey Counte Dante,

Where can you view or buy the movies at?

Nelson Muntz
02-03-07, 20:04
Hey Counte Dante,

Where can you view or buy the movies at?

Here they are:

http://www.cduniverse.com/sresult.asp?style=ice&HT_Search=xstar&HT_Search_Info=-6110&HT_Search_Name=Michelle+Phillips

Count Dante
02-10-07, 11:46
Hey Counte Dante,

Where can you view or buy the movies at?I rented mine at adultdvdempire.com. Not worth buying in my opinion, unless you have a real soft spot (or hard spot) for Michelle.

Mich Ave
02-12-07, 03:03
Rumor has it Pete and Mabels may be reopening in the near future. Can't give a for sure date but a friend of the family told me this. Also, I was informed an offer of 200 thousand was recently turned down by the family. Here's hoping the bar reopens and the good times continue.

Mich Ave
02-12-07, 03:08
Rumor has it Pete and Mabels may be reopening. A friend close to the family informed me the family is possibly planning to reopen the tavern sometime in the future. Also, I was told an offer of 200 thousand was recently turned down by the family. Here's hoping this rumor is true and the good times RETURN.

Member #4064
03-18-07, 22:21
Can anyone give an update on P & M re-opening? Is is a rumor or will they re-open? I only had one chance to visit before they closed. I would like to make another visit.

Max Xindy
04-08-07, 19:42
Can anyone give an update on P & M re-opening? Is is a rumor or will they re-open? I only had one chance to visit before they closed. I would like to make another visit.


Any updates on P&M reopening??

Peter_Girth
04-14-07, 14:58
Rumor has it Pete and Mabels may be reopening. A friend close to the family informed me the family is possibly planning to reopen the tavern sometime in the future. Also, I was told an offer of 200 thousand was recently turned down by the family. Here's hoping this rumor is true and the good times RETURN.

I cannot imagine that property bringing $200k in a neighborhood that looks like Dresden after WWII. The "rumor" lacks credibility. But it would be nice if they reopened, wouldn't it??

Oddjob
04-14-07, 15:35
The "For Sale" signs are still in place. It's being listed by Century 21 and if you look on their commercial website, the place is listed for $299,900, so I guess that they would turn down $200K. The neighborhood is definitely quieter with P&M's closed down. There was another little bar about half a block away on Broadway that has closed down too. I guess with the millrats cut from nearly 100,000 to closer to 10,000 the number of potential customers is way down in the area. There are still a few of the ladies out and about, but you've got to be real lucky to see anyone in the area anymore.

Mich Ave
04-26-07, 16:50
Well sorry to post a rumor that has not happened. Here's an update that I heard directly from the same close friend of the family. After entertaining thoughts of reopening the brothers have decided that they didn't want to reopen the business. Being that all three are in their sixties they have decided to leave the place for sale in hopes of eventually selling it. While a few offers have been proposed none haven't been accepted as of yet. If the place doesn't sell in the next few months the possibility remains the place will reopen until it sells. I had many good times in the place and hope it does sell as I've always respected the family, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Moneyshot
05-25-07, 09:16
I haven't been to that place in years, Man their were some ugly women in there. Mable was always nice, One time I ran into a hot lil girl there got a nice bbbj in the restroom tried to get her contact info but she said she was moving to Oklahoma? or Nebraska maybe. Hope the place opens again.

Dick Tracy
10-22-07, 23:11
Anyone still play this area? Any other bars that come close to what P&M offered? Whatever happened to all the regular P&M gals?

SgtPerv
10-23-07, 14:52
Depending on who you are looking for, some of the girls are in jail, some still walk around the place and others are a mystery. I have talked to a few of the girls but it is impossible to know if what they say is the truth (most likely not ). Its still the same old hussle " I'm the one all the others are crazy" . Most of the bars around know them and don't want them around.

Peter_Girth
11-03-07, 14:48
Anyone still play this area? Any other bars that come close to what P&M offered? Whatever happened to all the regular P&M gals?

I did a "fly by" last weekend, the For Sale sign is still on the building, but other than some Mexicans working on a car in the adjacent lot the whole 'hood was dead as a doornail. Caught a chili-dog at Zels and was out of there.

I wish I knew what the hell happened to Tamika, she was my favorite out of that bunch.

Top Dawg
11-27-07, 00:52
Drove By P&m's Today And Noticed The For Sale Sign Is Gone. There Was Also Several Cars Parked Right In Front. Any News On Whats Going On?

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Hi Top Dawg,

I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

SgtPerv
11-27-07, 05:51
The cars in front are most likely for the resale shop that one of the brothers wife runs. Its right there at the garage door just south of the front door.

SgtPerv
12-01-07, 22:31
Place is still closed even though Dino would like to open it back up.

Top Dawg
12-02-07, 08:26
I'm curious as to why the for sale sign is no longer on the building.

SpokenOne69
12-03-07, 15:04
Read the business section of your favourite paper. Tough to get financing right now. It is not easy to run a bar, much less a ***** house. Remember the characters that Dino and later, Mickey, had to tolerate in that place? Put yourself in their place - they just got tired of looking over their shoulder every day and night.


We saw it as a fun setting but only for a few hours at most. They were there every day looking at that BS day in and day out.

But, I miss the place!

Rileym
12-03-07, 15:19
Is never sampling that place. After hearing SO much about it over the years, just figured it would always be around to check out and never got around to it. What makes it worse is, pretty sure given the climate now-a-days, a place like that will never come around again.

Sigh

SpokenOne69
12-04-07, 13:35
As long as there are men, there will be "sex places". That will NEVER stop. Just read the Melrose Park - 15th Ave Book store and NW Indiana CL Theatre.

I dont remember activity like that when P & M was going strong. I happened to be an observer at Melrose Park yesterday afternoon and it was like a herd or elephants with their d**ks poking out following this chick around.

At least at P & M, you could have a nice quiet talk with someone, make your secision and get your rocks off. Sure they werent the greatest lookers, but....there was always the chance of the diamond in the rough, of which I have experienced several times. And when the Diamond in the Rough appeared at P & M, talk about a herd of elephants - LOL

I am pretty sure that something is operating in the area and laying low. someone will find it and report.

Peter_Girth
01-06-08, 18:10
I'm curious as to why the for sale sign is no longer on the building.

There is a new sign up. It's a good looking sign, not some cardboard and crayon shit, something that actually cost a few bucks to put up there. No realtor specified but it says the price is "reduced" and it gives a couple of contact #s to call. I didn't bother to write them down cuz Jackson would probably x them out if I posted them. But hell, drive around the neighborhood and see what it left. How many abandoned buildings with all the windows busted out and shit. I don't know what they think this property is worth, but it is a good bet they think it is worth a whole lot more than it really is worth.

Shovelhead
03-16-08, 18:01
Does anyone know if there is extras to be had at chuck and irenes during the fashion shows? I was there Thursday but didn't have time to stay was there basically to drop supplies off. I seen so fine looking girls there.

Ben Dover
04-22-08, 18:48
Does anyone have an idea what happened to all the Pete & Mabels hoes?......They must have gone somewhere....

SpokenOne69
04-24-08, 10:03
I know that one of you guys knows the P & M brothers personally. I am wondering if the brothers are interested in maybe running a twice a month "special event" type affair. Maybe with a nominal cover charge and maybe a two drink minimum.

I predict that it would be a money maker for the brothers because there is enough banter regarding this place long after it closed.

Damm, I miss that place!

Douglas1001
08-11-08, 23:03
Michelle is still around.

Looking good as usual.

SgtPerv
08-12-08, 01:46
I bet she is the one who told you about this site. Nice of you to join and promote her right away. To bad she did not tell you to add her digits.

Cwashi0753
08-17-08, 16:44
Man I really miss that girl. I had alot of fun with her over the years. I wish someone would locate her digits. I'm going to be off for a couple of weeks and will try to find her. I f I do I will try and get digits and post for all.

Warpig2000
08-19-08, 06:30
Okay this report should have been made several months ago, but wasn't. Found Judy on Broadway by the liquor store on the other side of Main back in February... she was living in the apartments next to it. I was clued off by another forum member that she was living there.
Went upstairs to the grimy little hellhole with her, sat on the couch and gave her the .30 and told her I didn't have time for sex.... just wanted a bbbj. Well.... she started giving me a hj- then freaked out and asked if I had a rubber.... and started mumbling something about 'her boyfriend coming home' and 'not wanting to do this in front of him' and told me to get dressed and get out- WTF! After over six years of seeing her almost every two or three months and treating her right she pulls this crap on me....

This is JMO but I think most of these 'ladies' kept it together while working at P & M's because they knew if they were a problem they would get 86'ed from the bar and their 'income' (or source of supply for their habit) would take a hit. Its the law of the jungle out there.... I'm not nearly as keen on dealing with these b!tches now- for just a little more cheddar you can find a girl off CL or go to CT's. Basically I don't have time for the BS anymore.... can't blame Dino and the brothers for not wanting to put up with it either. 'nuff said.

SgtPerv
08-19-08, 17:48
P&M was full of ROBs. Mabel was the one who would ban them. That lady was the glue. I must say Michelle was the only non ROB I met there. All the rest would screw you out of or steal whatever they could. Why do you think those girls were always banged up ? How do you think Judy got that bad leg ? They sometimes pick the wrong person to cheat. They are fueled with drugs and knew most men wanted no trouble would not hurt them if cheated.

Jimjamesx
08-19-08, 22:43
Okay this report should have been made several months ago, but wasn't. Found Judy on Broadway by the liquor store on the other side of Main back in February... she was living in the apartments next to it. I was clued off by another forum member that she was living there.
Went upstairs to the grimy little hellhole with her, sat on the couch and gave her the .30 and told her I didn't have time for sex.... just wanted a bbbj. Well.... she started giving me a hj- then freaked out and asked if I had a rubber.... and started mumbling something about 'her boyfriend coming home' and 'not wanting to do this in front of him' and told me to get dressed and get out- WTF! After over six years of seeing her almost every two or three months and treating her right she pulls this crap on me....

This is JMO but I think most of these 'ladies' kept it together while working at P & M's because they knew if they were a problem they would get 86'ed from the bar and their 'income' (or source of supply for their habit) would take a hit. Its the law of the jungle out there.... I'm not nearly as keen on dealing with these b!tches now- for just a little more cheddar you can find a girl off CL or go to CT's. Basically I don't have time for the BS anymore.... can't blame Dino and the brothers for not wanting to put up with it either. 'nuff said.
What is JMO?

Delivery Boy
08-19-08, 23:45
What is JMO?
Just my opinion

Douglas1001
08-28-08, 06:05
Michelle is still around.

Looking good as usual.She gave me her new digits. I should charge, but I feel good today!

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SgtPerv
08-28-08, 18:00
She gave me her new digits. I should charge, but I feel good today!

219-506-2520Not smart to open post the number. I for one would not call it from a newbie. OK you could be LE if not . sorry but that type of info should only be pm'd. You have right idea but not right way.

SgtPerv
08-29-08, 00:04
Any senior member or a member for a few years who wants her contact info pm me and I will tell you.

SgtPerv
08-29-08, 00:12
She gave me her new digits. I should charge, but I feel good today!

219-506-2520The "I should charge you" part makes you sound like hustler girl. Maybe a girlfriend of hers? Still leary of you.

Ben Dover
08-30-08, 12:08
Just be careful with Michelle, if she gets your number (I know, dumb mistake) she will call and call and call...........

SgtPerv
08-30-08, 14:57
Just be careful with Michelle, if she gets your number (I know, dumb mistake) she will call and call and call...........But , when she calls the price goes down lol.

SgtPerv
09-06-08, 16:13
She is getting lonely. lol

Ralph Alton
09-08-08, 09:01
I've wondered what she looks like. BBW?

Good information about the constant calling back. That's a bad idea to give her your digits, then. Thanks for the warning.

SpokenOne69
09-08-08, 10:11
Michelle is (or was) a fairly attractive white lady. 5' 5" about 125lbs with big eyes and a pretty nice smile (she has all of her teeth and the teeth are in good shape). Decent breasts and a shaved beaver. At least this is how I remember a Michelle that would frequent P & M almost on a daily basis.
Except the times when she was all spaced out and who knows where she was. I am not an expert on determining what type of pharmacutical causes what, but she was hooked on something, probably the crack pipe.

The reason everyone talks about her is that she clearly was the best looking sw that would frequent P & M. But, if you read some of my (and others) previous posts, you will note that reasonablly attractive part time sw's would, on occasion, frequent this place. Those were the gems IMO.

Personally, I only has the pleasure of her a few times - most times she was so spaced she could not keep her head up off of the bar. All of the time, in the garage which is attached to the bar. Dino would let you go back there for $10 and of course, pay the sw.

SgtPerv
09-08-08, 15:31
You forgot to add that she is very submissive and is customer service oriented. She has a place for f/s too. .40 f/s .20bj P&M.

Those were the days.

Stormrider
09-09-08, 16:17
Not smart to open post the number. I for one would not call it from a newbie. OK you could be LE if not . sorry but that type of info should only be pm'd. You have right idea but not right way.
Not to mention the fact that Jackson has some very specific rules about posting phone numbers of providers, mainly that it’s not allowed. He should delete the post, but now the number will show up in all the quotes. Besides, being a newb, he probably doesn’t have the option to edit posts yet.
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SpokenOne69
09-10-08, 09:52
Sarge,

Did not want my report to ramble too much. I agree about the memories. You are absoulutely correct.

Would highly suggest that anybody who can find her, sample her goods. Then, draw your own conclusions.

When she is not all spaced out, she would be maybe a 6 on the normal girls scale - a soft 7 if coming from the beauty shop with some nice clothes on her and some nice f**k me shoes

SgtPerv
09-10-08, 14:23
Everything about that girl says f**k me, I am submissive. Please do me again. She always had that sweet *ss in the air. I used to go by her just to slap it. She would turn around and just smile.

SgtPerv
09-10-08, 15:06
I guess the best way to describe her is like this. I posted this a few years ago. I took it on her birthday.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21205

Deep Subman
09-11-08, 08:06
Nasty. I hooked up with her yesterday. We went to a house and I had to pay $10 for the rental. Before I went in I said to her $40? and she agreed. After I was getting a cbj I requested doggie. She said 40 was just for a bj, she said 30 more more fs, we settled for 20 more. After she bent over the bed and I began pounding her ass a very strong smell of shit hit me. she must not know how to clean her ass very well, instant turn off and I was out the door. she has probably lost another 10 pounds since that picture was taken, she is a bone of a woman. fyi

Cwashi0753
09-12-08, 12:45
I hooked up with michelle a couple of weeks ago after playing phone tage fo several days. She quated me 40 bucks for 50/50. We go to a house in E. C. And she tells me I have to pay the lady 10 bucks for the room on top of the 40 we agreed on. I give the lady the money and she undresses and starts with a nice BJ. When it time for the other half she asks me if I have a condom. I told her not on me I left it in the car. She leaves and come back with a sandwhich bag and tells me thats all she got to work with. I then get up get dressed and go out to my truck and get the condom. Take it from me always go for the oral because fucking is horrible with her. I finish the deed and tip her a few bucks and leave. Many times after that she calls me wanting to hook up but I'm not answering. A couple of days ago I call her and tell her I want to see her but I just want a BJ and I don't want to have to pay for a room. She calls me back and says she has a place for us to go and she says 20 bucks for BJ. I meet her at a place in E. C. And we go into a room. This house looks okay but theres like 3 other people in there. We go to the room and she locks the door and she gives me some good head and I pay her. As I was leaving, I open the door to leave the room and there are atleast 6 people standing around a table were a black guy is cooking some shit up with a spoon. They all look at me and the all looked like zombies. Michelle ushers me passed all of the and tell me she's sorry that I had to see all that. I get in my truck and leave. Everyone please be careful with this girl I won't see her again because not only does she smoke crack but they were shooting up with needles. Michelle does try to please her costumers but she is way out there with the drugs and thats all she cares about. When P&M's were open she got pregnant and gave birth to a crack baby that the state took from her. If she don't care about her baby, she sure don't care about giving us a STD.

SgtPerv
09-12-08, 15:45
If she is going to start up selling and raising basic prices, she would not be worth it. She was always clean with me. She is worth it for only normal sw price.

Cwashi0753
09-12-08, 22:25
If she is going to start up selling and raising basic prices, she would not be worth it. She was always clean with me. She is worth it for only normal sw price.I guess her shooting up drugs and sharing needles is of no concern to some people as long as the are cheap. You guys need to think about catching something that you can't get rid of. I saw alot of people there but only one neddle. You figure it out.

SgtPerv
09-13-08, 02:02
I guess her shooting up drugs and sharing needles is of no concern to some people as long as the are cheap. You guys need to think about catching something that you can't get rid of. I saw alot of people there but only one neddle. You figure it out.Well that is the case with a lot of sw. You have to take care with all providers. I greatly reduce the risk by having only oral. Yes, I can still catch things but the chances are a lot slimmer. Amazing that you were counting needles and checking out what was all around. Amazing they just let you see everything without hiding stuff. I think you saw one needle was scared (as you should be) and guessing the rest. I know I would of been only looking for the door to get the hell out, not taking inventory. She got you out unharmed or bothered. That situation does suck to be put in but you wanted to be CHEAP. I will not go to those houses myself. It is either car or motel.

Cwashi0753
09-13-08, 12:19
Well that is the case with a lot of sw. You have to take care with all providers. I greatly reduce the risk by having only oral. Yes, I can still catch things but the chances are a lot slimmer. Amazing that you were counting needles and checking out what was all around. Amazing they just let you see everything without hiding stuff. I think you saw one needle was scared (as you should be) and guessing the rest. I know I would of been only looking for the door to get the hell out, not taking inventory. She got you out unharmed or bothered. That situation does suck to be put in but you wanted to be CHEAP. I will not go to those houses myself. It is either car or motel.I guess some people just don't get it.

SgtPerv
09-13-08, 20:08
I guess some people just don't get it.Yes I get it. You are trying to say that SW and drugs go together. Drugs and diseases and SW go together. Houses where SW take johns are drug user houses. Great new info. Sounds like you got your cherry broke. No not broke, just torn a little. You are very lucky you was not with a ROB. There are risks, do's and don't to all hobbies. Learn the risk and apply preventive measure or find a new hobby. I am honestly glad your story had a happy ending because some are not that lucky once they get "themselves" in a bad situation. I hope when you stop shaking, you realize your errors and not repeat them. Bet you was not a P&M customer. LOL

Happy hunting

LapDogg
09-14-08, 16:33
I guess some people just don't get it.

I think more people get it than you think. perhaps you don't get it...

I would challenge you to find a SW using drugs that hasn't shared a needle. Do you think they hand out new needles at the police station? If anyone is using SW's they have already assessed the risks... or else they are terribly naive (like you sound). SW's use drugs, that's why they do what they do.. to buy drugs, alcohol, etc. If they are lucky, they may use some of the money to support their kids too. But mostly, its for their habits.

And this isn't only the "cheap" SW's.... if you don't understand the risks and work to minimize them, then you need to find a girlfriend, get tested regularly, and stay monogamous.

That's what we really miss about PM. grab a beer, use the ladies room, slip on a raincoat, done and gone. Going to someone's "house" is another entire set of risks.

SgtPerv
09-15-08, 16:48
I guess some people just don't get it.SW and drugs and diseases ..oh my! Life of a monger is not as easy and full of glory as you must of thought.

Frehley
09-20-08, 13:07
Saw the # listed here and decided to try michelle.

Had not seen her since p&m days.

Called and she said she would meet me at the walgreens off of columbus.

So I waited nervously in the parking area for about 15 min. She said she be there in about 2 or 3 min.

So I got a little bit scared and started to circle the store.

When she finally showed. She was clearly strung out and a shell of her former self. All I could think about was std's. Very scary!

So since she didn't know who she was there to meet, I just drove right past her as she stood on the curb by her ride.

She blew up my cell for about the next 45min or so but I just turned it off.

Fellas be carefull she is a scary mess. Even for her low 40 price I wasn't going for it.

Good luck & stay safe.

SgtPerv
09-21-08, 02:06
Guess she is back extra deep in drug land again. Every time she starts getting steady customers, she screws it up with the pipe and not eating. She is not that big to begin with and when she loses weight it really shows. Have not seen her in a month or so but believe what I am reading. She reads this board, so hopefully she will realize what the effects of her life style is doing to her income. She was fun when she was not into the shit so damn much. When she can not get dates she will gain some weight back. I think I will wait for more french lessons.

SgtPerv
09-29-08, 16:04
I went to a sw house and on her couch this what I saw.

LapDogg
09-29-08, 21:41
I went to a sw house and on her couch this what I saw.

you gotta turn the red eye reduction on with that camera........

BTW, is that Michelle? She's gotten really thin.

SgtPerv
09-30-08, 04:29
you gotta turn the red eye reduction on with that camera........

BTW, is that Michelle? She's gotten really thin.Come on now, you can tell by the ears that it is not Michelle. Michelle is also a pound or two heavier.

Amp Middleman
10-11-08, 09:37
Is P&M's and the Mexican bar still open or any thing else in the area open?? Thanks for the help in advance guys.

SgtPerv
10-14-08, 17:38
Is P&M's and the Mexican bar still open or any thing else in the area open?? Thanks for the help in advance guys.P&M=closed
Mexican bars?=there are many
PS=closed
CT=open

SgtPerv
12-02-08, 22:37
If anybody has current 411 on Michelle phone or addy could you pm it to me.

Please not in the open forum.

Fun Guy 22
12-27-08, 02:46
Plz someone PM me Michelles number if you have it.

Top Dawg
01-04-09, 23:25
It is with great sorrow and sadness that i must tell you all... P&M's has been

demolished. I know that some of us was hoping for a miracle that it would one

day open back up,but those dreams are no longer. GOD BLESS P&M's

SgtPerv
01-05-09, 05:10
I will have to stop by and put a wreath and flowers where the women's bathroom used to be located.

SpokenOne69
01-05-09, 14:36
I will put my remembrance wreath where the garage stood

RIP

Fun Guy 22
01-06-09, 03:07
Hey, does anyone have the numbers to any of the girls from P&M I am looking to hook up with one of them doesn't matter who but preferably Michelle.

SamaRy
01-06-09, 18:38
It is with great sorrow and sadness that i must tell you all... P&M's has been

demolished. I know that some of us was hoping for a miracle that it would one

day open back up,but those dreams are no longer. GOD BLESS P&M's


Wow the memories of that place will now stand with all the other great memories of places in that bygone era.... Well at least they are not turning it into a church like they did with Fanny's Greenery.... I still laugh everytime I drive by think about all the sinning that went on in that place....

Hoytota
01-08-09, 07:05
That place was amazing. A wild throwback. Something totally pure about the seediness there. I never saw trouble there. May have been the safest place in town. Tragic that it's gone.

SgtPerv
01-08-09, 07:13
I wonder what they did with the pictures they had on the walls?

Some of it was interesting.

The picture of the woman (nude) that people joked was Mable in her youth was nice and the old historical pics were great too.

I love the older bars.

SpokenOne69
01-08-09, 10:31
The greatest testament to P & M is that, after it has been closed for over a year, we still talk about it.

Unfortunately, it will not re appear. However, something will take it's place, somewhere. Afterall, the girls need a warm place to seek work

SgtPerv
04-24-09, 19:43
Since the building has been demolished and everyone has had time to say their last words, Jackson should close,lock and archive this thread.

It is too painful to look at it still open without any hope of it returning.

Good bye old friend.

Sgt Perv