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Jon Gris
09-04-17, 13:56
Hi.

I was curious on the difference between the 2 sites. I know they are both pay sites curious to hear how guys have made out with either? Which one do you think is better? Debating on trying a different approach and would be interested in hearing feedback.

Thanks.

Jon.

BSmith1116
09-05-17, 14:40
Hi.

I was curious on the difference between the 2 sites. I know they are both pay sites curious to hear how guys have made out with either? Which one do you think is better? Debating on trying a different approach and would be interested in hearing feedback.

Thanks.

Jon.All I can say is sadly I paid for adult friend finder for a few months and it was legitimately awful. Largely a complete scam and you might as well light your money on fire. I found there to be too few real people on there to justify and a lot of.

The profile views are from fake accounts. Just my. 02 C Better off on Craigslist or from info on here.

Zakk1317
09-05-17, 23:58
All I can say is sadly I paid for adult friend finder for a few months and it was legitimately awful. Largely a complete scam and you might as well light your money on fire. I found there to be too few real people on there to justify and a lot of.

The profile views are from fake accounts. Just my. 02 C Better off on Craigslist or from info on here.I have to agree. Got scammed on there a few years back. Found out later that the majority of the ads are fake.

MeatMan
09-07-17, 10:34
I've only met one woman from AFF and that was 3 years ago who lived in my area. Found out that we both worked for a hospital years ago and she knew me. (guess she she had her eye on me for quite sometime) Overall, AFF is like a needle in a haystack. Its legit, but overrun with scammers. Don't bother wasting your hard earned dollars.

MeatMan
01-29-21, 15:11
Yep. Thread bump. So, after three or more years, I relented and joined AFF for a month. I really want this to go well and be money well spent. Any mongers here on USASG members of AFF and if so, how is your success rate?. I'm really getting burnt out dealing with streetwalkers and the occasional escort for all the negative reasons. Lets see how it goes.

Gianni Versace
01-29-21, 16:22
Yep. Thread bump. So, after three or more years, I relented and joined AFF for a month. I really want this to go well and be money well spent. Any mongers here on USASG members of AFF and if so, how is your success rate?. I'm really getting burnt out dealing with streetwalkers and the occasional escort for all the negative reasons. Lets see how it goes.I had a friend who was on AFF and told me that he was successful in meeting some girls who are in the "lifestyle" eg swinging. But he said that it generally sucks. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on AFF. I think seeking is pretty good for what it is, but you really have to put in alot of work. Its kind of like dating imo.

BostonJones
01-29-21, 16:55
Yep. Thread bump. So, after three or more years, I relented and joined AFF for a month. I really want this to go well and be money well spent. Any mongers here on USASG members of AFF and if so, how is your success rate?. I'm really getting burnt out dealing with streetwalkers and the occasional escort for all the negative reasons. Lets see how it goes.My 2 cents. I've done 3 rounds on AFF over the years and it led to absolutely nothing. I had a somewhat successful run on Ashley Madison (maybe 4 woman over a 3 year period) back before it was redone and is now absolute garbage. Swinger lifestyle, you're mostly dead in the water unless you're in a couple or you're a massively hung Adonis. SugarDaddyForMe, EstablishedMen seem like they could yield success, but I tend to see a lot of the same profiles there as I see on SA. Which brings me to SA. Hands down the absolute best thing that ever happened to greying, dad-bod old wolves that's ever been invented. Been active on it for 8 years, lost count of my conquests but it spans at least 12 states, and 2 or 3 Canadian provinces, with several dozen young women in the mix. The one revelation I've recently made, is now I look on SA for keywords that imply interest in kink or submissiveness, and sometimes I can find them on Fetlife. This has revolutionised the way I hunt now, and it has payed huge rewards. So that might be something you want to try, might work with AFF too.

OkWhatever
01-29-21, 17:14
I tried it once and met nobody. Total waste of money. You are better off taking that money and buying scratch tickets.


Yep. Thread bump. So, after three or more years, I relented and joined AFF for a month. I really want this to go well and be money well spent. Any mongers here on USASG members of AFF and if so, how is your success rate?. I'm really getting burnt out dealing with streetwalkers and the occasional escort for all the negative reasons. Lets see how it goes.

Mattis1775
01-29-21, 18:25
I had a friend who was on AFF and told me that he was successful in meeting some girls who are in the "lifestyle" eg swinging. But he said that it generally sucks. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on AFF. I think seeking is pretty good for what it is, but you really have to put in alot of work. Its kind of like dating imo.I did the membership twice and had no success. One day, I decided to go on a full blast and responded to everyone and not one person responded. I wrote somewhat of a detailed response and it wasn't just some generic note. I know that non-paid members have limited ways to respond or perhaps no way to respond at all. But, I've tried twice and decided not to waste any more money. Seeking, I have an account. But, never paid for the service. Didn't want to throw money out the window.

Kuro4
01-29-21, 20:15
SA is way better than AFF. Pretty much all of AFF is fake profiles and SA there are a lot of real girls. The few months I paid for SA I might a lot of real and hot girls, could have been even more if I my living situation and work hours were better. I plan to get back on SA eventually.

When I tried AFF it was nothing for the longest time. I started talking to one girl that was attractive but I doubted it and passed but then found out she was real so that sucked. The other girl I met was this massively huge chick that talked about getting drunk in a bar and later at one of the girls places with a couple red sox players that were on the 04 team. She said they got absolutely wasted and hooked up with her friends woke up the next day and went straight to fenway for a game LOL. Anyways this fat girl showed me she could squirt and taught me how to make her squirt, her fat tits were nice and she was amazing at sucking dick. Let me hit it raw and I came on her tits then told her I was out of time and had to leave.

Swing Lifestyle I had a lot of conversations but like it was said most of those dudes want to see their wives and girlfriends with huge dicks. The only luck I had was when I made a second profile based on fucking their wives and girlfriends bareback with creampie if they want, most of the swingers on there are serious about safe play and mass block singles and couples that don't use protection, so this guy messaged me about having a girlfriend that he wants to get into being fucked by other guys and he wants her to get fucked bareback. He showed me her pictures and gave me her email and she said she was really down and proved she was real. I head over and brought some condoms just in case which was good because they decided to use condoms because this was her very first being shared and her first threesome. We fucked the shit out of her and the dude was so excited that she did it because he said she lived with 3 male roommates and was going to have all the guys in the house fuck her. She must not have had that great of a time because I emailed her a few weeks later and she told me she broke up with him and got back with an old boyfriend and wasn't interested in being shared or group sex.

MeatMan
01-30-21, 09:19
What I'm really gunning for on AFF are regular women who are not in the P4P scene who are looking for flings. I do see older women on AFF who are looking to get laid. Yes, I do read between the spam and fake profiles. SA, you know what you're getting (for a price) I'm just trying my luck in the regular flings where payment is nonexistent. I've done it before on AFF, why not again?. And again!.

CCF1234
01-30-21, 11:15
SA is way better than AFF. Pretty much all of AFF is fake profiles and SA there are a lot of real girls. The few months I paid for SA I might a lot of real and hot girls, could have been even more if I my living situation and work hours were better. I plan to get back on SA eventually.

When I tried AFF it was nothing for the longest time. I started talking to one girl that was attractive but I doubted it and passed but then found out she was real so that sucked. The other girl I met was this massively huge chick that talked about getting drunk in a bar and later at one of the girls places with a couple red sox players that were on the 04 team. She said they got absolutely wasted and hooked up with her friends woke up the next day and went straight to fenway for a game LOL. Anyways this fat girl showed me she could squirt and taught me how to make her squirt, her fat tits were nice and she was amazing at sucking dick. Let me hit it raw and I came on her tits then told her I was out of time and had to leave.

Swing Lifestyle I had a lot of conversations but like it was said most of those dudes want to see their wives and girlfriends with huge dicks. The only luck I had was when I made a second profile based on fucking their wives and girlfriends bareback with creampie if they want, most of the swingers on there are serious about safe play and mass block singles and couples that don't use protection, so this guy messaged me about having a girlfriend that he wants to get into being fucked by other guys and he wants her to get fucked bareback. He showed me her pictures and gave me her email and she said she was really down and proved she was real. I head over and brought some condoms just in case which was good because they decided to use condoms because this was her very first being shared and her first threesome. We fucked the shit out of her and the dude was so excited that she did it because he said she lived with 3 male roommates and was going to have all the guys in the house fuck her. She must not have had that great of a time because I emailed her a few weeks later and she told me she broke up with him and got back with an old boyfriend and wasn't interested in being shared or group sex.I have been off and on aff for 12 years, It is a lot of work but I hooked up with about 15 chicks over the years, some just 1 time and others a regular thing for a few months, I hooked up with 3 couples and did 3 somes with wife and husband, pros are not paying cons you have to weed out the fakes. Any membership other than gold is a waste. As far as SA I have done pretty good on there but you have to pay, just my 2 cents. And FYI I am an average guy late 40's, very low key and respectful, which has worked for me.

SPMartini
01-30-21, 15:34
I've only met one woman from AFF and that was 3 years ago who lived in my area. Found out that we both worked for a hospital years ago and she knew me. (guess she she had her eye on me for quite sometime) Overall, AFF is like a needle in a haystack. Its legit, but overrun with scammers. Don't bother wasting your hard earned dollars.Realize I am a newbie but I do have experience in this area. Belonged to AFF for several years and found it was much better years ago than now. Site is loaded with bullshit scams, fake profiles, and cat fishers. Don't know much about SA however, I can speak to several of the swinger sites. I am a member of Swinglifestyle and what another person said on here is true, a lot of couples looking for BBC however, there are those that are interested in regular white guys as well, some are more middle aged but are really into getting it on. Another site is Love Voodoo, again mainly swingers however there are single women on there as well. Another option that I have used is Plenty Of Fish as it is not so much a dating site as it is a hook up site. I've always gone with the paid options for these as they give a lot more access. Hope this info was helpful, as you are looking to get away from the SW scene, I am looking to get back into it as I have been out of the game for a while but now want back in.

I On Da Street
01-30-21, 18:27
I had some success long time ago, more from hanging in a local chat room than trying any any of the profiles. It did seem to get more and more fake profiles. I joined a few years ago and a standard member has no real access anymore. Inundated by bots or fakes / scams. Anyone I used to know seemed to be gone so I cancelled pretty quickly to stop getting spammed.

ChipJohnson001
02-02-21, 13:09
While I have not scoured the threat for past posts I'm curious if anyone has insight on Secret Benefits? I did not see it mentioned in the recent discussion. It seems to have some legit profiles and good verification, the pay per message is a good use based system, and it seems more directly about 'benefits' than SA. Curious to hear from folks who have tried it.

Thanks.

Joe1223
02-02-21, 13:29
While I have not scoured the threat for past posts I'm curious if anyone has insight on Secret Benefits? I did not see it mentioned in the recent discussion. It seems to have some legit profiles and good verification, the pay per message is a good use based system, and it seems more directly about 'benefits' than SA. Curious to hear from folks who have tried it.

Thanks.I have tried all of the typical sites and have had luck with all of them however, SA has an abundance of what I feel are ladies of the caliper I am looking for. SB and WYP requires points / credits to communicate so if the girls won't move off the site immediately I move on. The BS line of they need to be safe doesn't fly with me because there are so many free apps that allow you to communicate but not reveal much about you.

Everyone has there own limit as how much they chose to invest in chasing the prize but the pool just seems better with SA. Ofc this depends on your location as Boston and south of the city has a really good selection but as you move to the burbs it's gets much leaner for quality selections. NH is very limited for the "good" girls and that is my main stomping ground so I use a variety of the sites as well as FB in order to maximize my hit rate thou it would be a lot better if I was willing to head south. When I was commuting to MA I had plenty of lunch time hookups but that is not happening any longer.

HounDog3
02-02-21, 14:34
While I have not scoured the threat for past posts I'm curious if anyone has insight on Secret Benefits? I did not see it mentioned in the recent discussion. It seems to have some legit profiles and good verification, the pay per message is a good use based system, and it seems more directly about 'benefits' than SA. Curious to hear from folks who have tried it.

Thanks.Tried SB about 3 years ago and it was a total waste. Posted the same profile I'd been using on SA, sent the same first message I used on SA, and in the rare instance where the girl responded she ghosted after I replied. Total waste of time and money.

SwimSays
02-02-21, 16:16
While I have not scoured the threat for past posts I'm curious if anyone has insight on Secret Benefits? I did not see it mentioned in the recent discussion. It seems to have some legit profiles and good verification, the pay per message is a good use based system, and it seems more directly about 'benefits' than SA. Curious to hear from folks who have tried it.

Thanks.In my experience SB is generally a waste. I'd estimate that 75% of the messages / profiles are bots solely designed to keep men signing up and spending money on credits to message. I've found that a vast majority of the real women on there serious about meeting up are also on SA.

SA has a lot of time wasters who've been groomed by their sugar baby marketing and blogs to have unrealistic expectations.

That being said, I've found SA to have the best caliber of talent, and as long as you know how to communicate and weed out the time wasters quickly, it's the best bang for buck when it comes to SB / SD type relationships.

CornPop
02-02-21, 16:41
In my experience SB is generally a waste. I'd estimate that 75% of the messages / profiles are bots solely designed to keep men signing up and spending money on credits to message. I've found that a vast majority of the real women on there serious about meeting up are also on SA.

SA has a lot of time wasters who've been groomed by their sugar baby marketing and blogs to have unrealistic expectations.

That being said, I've found SA to have the best caliber of talent, and as long as you know how to communicate and weed out the time wasters quickly, it's the best bang for buck when it comes to SB / SD type relationships.I agree SA is for real after your sort out the time wasters. What's your price WYP is a good site too. Plus girls usually cheaper and you negotiate up front.

Mattis1775
02-02-21, 18:51
I agree SA is for real after your sort out the time wasters. What's your price WYP is a good site too. Plus girls usually cheaper and you negotiate up front.Is there a membership fee for this service? I gave up after popping money for adult friend finder and ended up with nothing. SA is too expensive. How much is the fee for WYP and how successful were you at getting a hookup?

Bran001
02-03-21, 09:35
Is there a membership fee for this service? I gave up after popping money for adult friend finder and ended up with nothing. SA is too expensive. How much is the fee for WYP and how successful were you at getting a hookup?How much did you spend on AFF? With WYP I think that the minimum buy is $50 of credits? Honestly, you'll get better value out of SA if you have the right 'game' to work SA.

Mattis1775
02-03-21, 15:35
How much did you spend on AFF? With WYP I think that the minimum buy is $50 of credits? Honestly, you'll get better value out of SA if you have the right 'game' to work SA.I bought the 3-months for 80 or so because the 1-month was like 40. Of the three months, I blasted so many girls and none responded. Close to the end of the membership, I blasted everyone just for the hell of it and got maybe one response and it was a SPAM. AFF was crap. A few members here encouraged SA. Maybe, I'll give it a try. But, the 99 is pretty steep. I'll give it a try when I know I have the time to search seriously and hope to add a collection of girls from it. I'll report.

ManDownUnder
02-04-21, 09:31
Seeking, I have an account. But, never paid for the service. Didn't want to throw money out the window.Thanks, think I'll avoid SB.

See my prior posts on the Seeking thread, I provided a description of my experience with WYP and SA (1 month in). The problem with WYP is you have to pay coins to converse with each girl, most respond and if they don't you can get a coin refund, so bots aren't really an issue. However, I've come across a good number of girls on the site who are expecting to get paid to go on a platonic date. I started off on WYP and two of the first three girls I met resulted in fun the same day. In retrospect, it was dumb luck, as I have had no subsequent success on WYP. It is very frustrating when after you spend your coins to talk to a girl you find out she is only interested in platonic. If you haven't exchanged contact info on the app you can request a coin refund, but now I always get off the app as soon as possible. The lowest coin purchase is $50 for 100 coins. Coins cost 20% of your offer to the girl. So if you offer $100 (costs you 20 coins) and they accept, you can chat with 5 girls for your $50.

On the other hand, you pay $99 a month for SA and chat with unlimited girls. It has been a ton of effort, but I've been swimming in pussy. I am literally telling SA girls that agreed to meet me that I am no longer available.

CornPop
02-04-21, 12:53
Is there a membership fee for this service? I gave up after popping money for adult friend finder and ended up with nothing. SA is too expensive. How much is the fee for WYP and how successful were you at getting a hookup?Its a credit system or coins. You need to deposit coins to chat with the girls. The coins go quickly so you have to keep buying more. Some are strictly there for "dating" but you can quickly weed them out by suggesting arrangements. I would say I meet about 25% of the girls I pay to chat with then end up fucking 50% of them. So effectively 12.5% but 100% are down to fuck after the meet-up. I declined due to the on going cost too high or the pictures didn't match the profiles. I have a higher standard with my SB than a normal sex worker.

MeatMan
02-04-21, 13:16
So, it's been a bit over a week since I've joined AFF and so far, I've been getting a few hits. I've talked with three single women, who are super busy with their professions but, are looking for a fling. One key thing and, I get if guys want instant gratification as if it were a Domino's delivery, that rarely if ever happens. If you're pushy, vulgar, rude, and come off as nothing more than an asshole, you're not going to get the desired results. I've gotten 4 hits from single women, two from Boston, one from Brockton, and another from Malden, three of the four who have messaged me are BBW's(not really into big women but I'll play along anyway). The other is well put together, healthy, and lives a productive life but looking for a good time with the right guy who has a big dick. (She's a "size queen) One key thing that must be understood, no matter if they're posing with nude pics in their profile, Just give them a classy compliment other than post something that would turn them off. One-word liners won't get you anywhere. Of the four women who've, I messaged and had cordial conversations with, there is one woman who VERY serious about meeting me. She's black, works from home, and lives a busy life. I have her # and we've been texting each other since this morning.

The other three have not responded yet after I replied to their messages but, I do think I'll be getting their replies later this evening, honestly guys, the single women are out there if you're willing to put in the effort. Now, of course, there are a few women on AFF who thinks their shit don't stink, I don't even bother with them. That usually turns out to be a time-waster and a nightmare. Read between the lines of what they say and how it is said and you'll save yourself the headache.

One key thing that MUST be understood, there are TONS of dicks on AFF so, you're nothing more than an option for these women. It's like swimming with sharks!. Stand out, give them something that will draw the women to your page and you'll get the desired results. It's working for me. For couples, I have gotten three hits and was hot-listed from two couples from the south shore and another from Essex County. I like where this is going so far. I will update you guys if I get the results I desire. I really hope this will be money well spent.

One key thing I've understood since joining, On SA, you're paying for possible sex with an escort, AFF is nothing more than a hookup site with women. I like this challenge!.

MeatMan

P.S. Yes, there are women who are looking for pay to play on AFF. I'll get to that bridge later down the road when I perfect this craft. Oh and be VERY wary of phishers and scammers!. Its not that hard to read between the lines. Broken English, the talk of money, etc. I just block them.

Gianni Versace
02-09-21, 16:05
So, it's been a bit over a week since I've joined AFF and so far, I've been getting a few hits. I've talked with three single women, who are super busy with their professions but, are looking for a fling. One key thing and, I get if guys want instant gratification as if it were a Domino's delivery, that rarely if ever happens. If you're pushy, vulgar, rude, and come off as nothing more than an asshole, you're not going to get the desired results. I've gotten 4 hits from single women, two from Boston, one from Brockton, and another from Malden, three of the four who have messaged me are BBW's(not really into big women but I'll play along anyway). The other is well put together, healthy, and lives a productive life but looking for a good time with the right guy who has a big dick. (She's a "size queen) One key thing that must be understood, no matter if they're posing with nude pics in their profile, Just give them a classy compliment other than post something that would turn them off. One-word liners won't get you anywhere. Of the four women who've, I messaged and had cordial conversations with, there is one woman who VERY serious about meeting me. She's black, works from home, and lives a busy life. I have her # and we've been texting each other since this morning.

The other three have not responded yet after I replied to their messages but, I do think I'll be getting their replies later this evening, honestly guys, the single women are out there if you're willing to put in the effort. Now, of course, there are a few women on AFF who thinks their shit don't stink, I don't even bother with them. That usually turns out to be a time-waster and a nightmare. Read between the lines of what they say and how it is said and you'll save yourself the headache.

One key thing that MUST be understood, there are TONS of dicks on AFF so, you're nothing more than an option for these women. It's like swimming with sharks!. Stand out, give them something that will draw the women to your page and you'll get the desired results. It's working for me. For couples, I have gotten three hits and was hot-listed from two couples from the south shore and another from Essex County. I like where this is going so far. I will update you guys if I get the results I desire. I really hope this will be money well spent.

One key thing I've understood since joining, On SA, you're paying for possible sex with an escort, AFF is nothing more than a hookup site with women. I like this challenge!.

MeatMan

P.S. Yes, there are women who are looking for pay to play on AFF. I'll get to that bridge later down the road when I perfect this craft. Oh and be VERY wary of phishers and scammers!. Its not that hard to read between the lines. Broken English, the talk of money, etc. I just block them.Meatman I totally agree with what you are saying. There are also women looking for play on facebook. Any idea how I can pull these type of relationships on facebook? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

GV.

MeatMan
02-09-21, 16:28
Meatman I totally agree with what you are saying. There are also women looking for play on facebook. Any idea how I can pull these type of relationships on facebook? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

GV.I have little to no experience in that. I did however make another FB account a year ago. I could use that to pick up potential women. I just need some pointers.

DonTrask
02-09-21, 18:35
I have little to no experience in that. I did however make another FB account a year ago. I could use that to pick up potential women. I just need some pointers.I will give you the "benefit" of my direct FB experience. Whether it helps, I don't know. Top line conclusion, FB is a lot of work compared to other avenues for scoring pussy but once I started my strategy, I was like a dog on a bone, I didn't give it up.

First off, I too created an alternative FB profile, complete with pictures (that weren't me) and a narrative. I reached out to known SW's that I found on Facebook, I try to "friend" others that were in the public newspapers for prostitution arrests and that was my first wave. Where I struck gold was FSW's (friends of Street Walkers). Every Facebook profile shows a person's friends and I mined the SW's list of their friends. Now most of them were either former SW's or just hung out them them so any proposition that alluded to sex wasn't so far afield that they were insulted by it.

As for the results, be prepared for a lot of rejection but I got some UTR's off of Facebook, one taught herself how to give DT off of watching YouTube videos (her story, not mine), and a group of single mothers that when they run low on money, text me looking to arrange a way to meet up and get their phone bill paid. The best part, this group of women have lower mileage on the frame and look at the arrangement as one that they wouldn't normally consider but I just messaged them at a time of financial need.

All in all, a lot of work and I would have wasted a lot less time hitting the local SW track or calling an escort ad. I recently reached out on Craig's List to see if any of them wanted to do "nude housecleaning". So far, I nabbed one of those. It's fun because it is outside the norm, not sure I would recommend it to anybody, like I said, a lot of work.

MeatMan
02-10-21, 11:06
As for the results, be prepared for a lot of rejection but I got some UTR's off of Facebook, one taught herself how to give DT off of watching YouTube videos (her story, not mine), and a group of single mothers that when they run low on money, text me looking to arrange a way to meet up and get their phone bill paid. The best part, this group of women have lower mileage on the frame and look at the arrangement as one that they wouldn't normally consider but I just messaged them at a time of financial need.

All in all, a lot of work and I would have wasted a lot less time hitting the local SW track or calling an escort ad. I recently reached out on Craig's List to see if any of them wanted to do "nude housecleaning". So far, I nabbed one of those. It's fun because it is outside the norm, not sure I would recommend it to anybody, like I said, a lot of work.Don thanks a lot, no a TON for the pointers!.

Where you mentioned the part of finding women or the girl next door looking to pay a bill those are the ones I'm interested in. Of course, I'm not looking to break the bank. My limit is $100-150. I'll take some time next week to sort this all out and put in the work. Thanks again!. For AFF, I will be meeting up with a local woman who lives not far from me. She's a "size queen". I am up for the task. The other three messages I got, the women have not responded at all. Let's see how all this pans out when my monthly AFF subscription expires.

DonTrask
02-11-21, 14:52
Don thanks a lot, no a TON for the pointers!.

Where you mentioned the part of finding women or the girl next door looking to pay a bill those are the ones I'm interested in. Of course, I'm not looking to break the bank. My limit is $100-150. I'll take some time next week to sort this all out and put in the work. Thanks again!. For AFF, I will be meeting up with a local woman who lives not far from me. She's a "size queen". I am up for the task. The other three messages I got, the women have not responded at all. Let's see how all this pans out when my monthly AFF subscription expires.For the ones where I pay their phone bill, that's literally what happens. I take their phone #, call the customer service # and pay it with my CC and they can't see my real name. So I am paying around $80 on average to hit a non pro with a week's worth of baby batter stored up in my system. Here's the best part, it prevents me from handing over the cash to the woman so she is getting naked and servicing me without feeling like a ***** because no money changes hands. She gets her phone bill paid, I get what I want and nobody is the wiser to our arrangement. Ain't America a great place!