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GobMan
08-28-17, 22:55
Due to recent celebrities and musicians getting busted with escorts, I think it's about time we had a thread for new technologies, apps, and black book setups to keep our asses from Getting CAUGHT. Whether you have a good job, a career, SO, or reputation it's time to put some work in NOW to your routine before you get caught slipping out here.

Ok so I'll start. Suggestions are appreciated.

Security setup.

I can't have a throwaway phone cause it looks suspicious if found. I have to hide in plain sight sort of speak.

So I have a fingerprint scanner on phone, excuse is if I lose my phone I don't want strangers in it.

My blackbook is a. Vcf backup I keep on the cloud, password protected. I have to download it and a vcf viewer to access it.

I have to uninstall it and delete vcf file when done for the night. Can slip up there I suppose.

My main women I have their numbers blocked cause I've have some inconsiderate ones give me the thirsty call at 11 pm even after I told them "don't call me, I'll call you". I unblocked the number when I am contacting them only. I used to use Google dialer to make hobby calls but kinda got lazy about doing it. Got to work on that cause I now have to delete text messages and call log too frequently. I also have my main 3 saved for convience under inconspicuous names, block of course. I suppose there are android apps that combines these features are there? Speaking of, I have to remember to clear my history after every visit to BP, that's annoying. So many data trails LOL.

Speaking of data trails, if your logged into a Google account, all your mongering activities are everywhere. Gps history (all your ***** stops show up as suggestions when your typing a location nearby, not to mention search engine history (it's still makes search suggestions even after clearing your local browser history. Sent email folders, recycle bin email folders. Soooo many ways to get your ass busted!

So what's your setup like? Is it bulletproof? Where do you see flaws? Let's fix them!

MikeAsEscorts
08-29-17, 05:18
Due to recent celebrities and musicians getting busted with escorts, I think it's about time we had a thread for new technologies, apps, and black book setups to keep our asses from Getting CAUGHT. Whether you have a good job, a career, SO, or reputation it's time to put some work in NOW to your routine before you get caught slipping out here.

Ok so I'll start. Suggestions are appreciated.

Security setup.

I can't have a throwaway phone cause it looks suspicious if found. I have to hide in plain sight sort of speak.

So I have a fingerprint scanner on phone, excuse is if I lose my phone I don't want strangers in it.

My blackbook is a. Vcf backup I keep on the cloud, password protected. I have to download it and a vcf viewer to access it.

I have to uninstall it and delete vcf file when done for the night. Can slip up there I suppose.

My main women I have their numbers blocked cause I've have some inconsiderate ones give me the thirsty call at 11 pm even after I told them "don't call me, I'll call you". I unblocked the number when I am contacting them only. I used to use Google dialer to make hobby calls but kinda got lazy about doing it. Got to work on that cause I now have to delete text messages and call log too frequently. I also have my main 3 saved for convience under inconspicuous names, block of course. I suppose there are android apps that combines these features are there? Speaking of, I have to remember to clear my history after every visit to BP, that's annoying. So many data trails LOL.

Speaking of data trails, if your logged into a Google account, all your mongering activities are everywhere. Gps history (all your ***** stops show up as suggestions when your typing a location nearby, not to mention search engine history (it's still makes search suggestions even after clearing your local browser history. Sent email folders, recycle bin email folders. Soooo many ways to get your ass busted!

So what's your setup like? Is it bulletproof? Where do you see flaws? Let's fix them!I agree with most of what you said. I've honestly been slipping up in terms of deleting texts and contact info, but I can say it's only because I don't hobby that often. I should do it more, but I guess part of the reason I don't delete texts is because Idk if I'm speaking to the same girl that I hate from the past. So in a way they remind me of who I'm speaking too.

I'm not sure what a black book or vcf viewer is, albeit I should look more into it. Though I would appreciate an explanation.

Other than that, fingerprint scanners are cool, though I don't trust having a fingerprint scanner, due to hacking risk and possibly having my fingerprint uploaded, but I would still like a burner phone. The Black Phone could be a really good device for this. You could possibly combine a finger print scanner with a burner phone, just in case it's confiscated. The only worry I have is the FBI and law enforcement trying to get backdoor access into smart phones, which is why I'd say the Black Phone could be a good contender in the future.

Last, you're definitely right: Google is the most trifling organization with it comes to collecting personal data, other than the NSA / CIA. The search engine itself is made to personalize your search results, and due to their recent policies and politics, it's become way more centralized and way less anonymous when it comes to free speech. Therefore, my only advise is to de-Google-ify yourselves, which means stop using almost all and uninstall all of their apps. YouTube and Gmail can be exceptions, but it can also be viewed on a web browser, plus Google Chrome needs to go. The shitty browser takes up too much cpu and makes everything run slower. Honestly the reason I still have Chrome is because I haven't been able to close all of the tabs I've kept open, due to laziness, but once I'm done with that, Chrome is gone. Facebook is the same, but not too extreme, because they don't really have a search engine, plus it's dying anyway and it's still a good way to identify escorts and their criminal records. Trust me guys. If you guys want I can also post some great alternatives to Google, to make things safer and easier for yourselves. Otherwise, I highly suggest looking into alternatives. For escorts, I basically made a separate Gmail account just for escorts, but I just realized how dumb that actually is, since police CAN confiscate your phone. So I suggest getting a more decentralized encrypted email, with a password that you can manually log into each time, otherwise, it's more likely for cops to get in. So yeah, just don't use anything Google related (including Google Maps))) for hobbying, other than YouTube vids and such. Make sure your phone's gps doesn't track you, when you're about to head off, or at the very least delete your location history from your phone once you get there, or make sure you turn off the option for Google to have a location history, because (IT DOES HAVE THIS ALMOST AUTOMATICALLY))), so if you don't want it, find it and switch it off. Yeah Google has too much power. So when it's collecting all of this info and getting heavily involved with politics, with no other platforms to rival it other than Facebook, we shouldn't rely on it, even if it means less convenience.

So what do you guys think?

Thanks for making this thread Gobman. I think it's necessary for everyone to get into.

Djms381
08-29-17, 07:56
Due to recent celebrities and musicians getting busted with escorts, I think it's about time we had a thread for new technologies, apps, and black book setups to keep our asses from Getting CAUGHT. Whether you have a good job, a career, SO, or reputation it's time to put some work in NOW to your routine before you get caught slipping out here.

Ok so I'll start. Suggestions are appreciated.

Security setup.

I can't have a throwaway phone cause it looks suspicious if found. I have to hide in plain sight sort of speak.

So I have a fingerprint scanner on phone, excuse is if I lose my phone I don't want strangers in it.

My blackbook is a. Vcf backup I keep on the cloud, password protected. I have to download it and a vcf viewer to access it.

I have to uninstall it and delete vcf file when done for the night. Can slip up there I suppose.

My main women I have their numbers blocked cause I've have some inconsiderate ones give me the thirsty call at 11 pm even after I told them "don't call me, I'll call you". I unblocked the number when I am contacting them only. I used to use Google dialer to make hobby calls but kinda got lazy about doing it. Got to work on that cause I now have to delete text messages and call log too frequently. I also have my main 3 saved for convience under inconspicuous names, block of course. I suppose there are android apps that combines these features are there? Speaking of, I have to remember to clear my history after every visit to BP, that's annoying. So many data trails LOL.

Speaking of data trails, if your logged into a Google account, all your mongering activities are everywhere. Gps history (all your ***** stops show up as suggestions when your typing a location nearby, not to mention search engine history (it's still makes search suggestions even after clearing your local browser history. Sent email folders, recycle bin email folders. Soooo many ways to get your ass busted!

So what's your setup like? Is it bulletproof? Where do you see flaws? Let's fix them!Excellent start of a new thread. Thanks for starting!

2me4Looking2
08-29-17, 11:08
This is an excellent idea.

I have a separate gmail account that has it's own google voice account and I use that for all calls, emails and texts. I don't have any of it linked to my phone and on the occasion I need to make a call and I'm away from my computer, I temporarily add that gmail account to my phone with all sync turned off and then when I'm done I remove the account. Also, when I check from a browser I make sure I'm in incognito mode. I know that doesn't hide anything as far as ISP and IP address, but it keeps cookies and things from downloading and nothing will show up in my history nor will it auto suggest anything I type while in incognito mode. The last thing I do is to make sure I delete any address out of Waze after using GPS.

The one thing that I find a bit scary is that I also setup a dummy Facebook account that is linked to my mongering Gmail account and Facebook still recommends friends from my personal life. I know you can't really keep anything a secret and I know how they figure it out, but it still kind of freaks me out. For that reason I have no pictures at all on my fake Facebook account because I can only assume that account is being suggested to my friends as well.

Atl063
08-29-17, 12:27
This is an excellent idea.

I have a separate gmail account that has it's own google voice account and I use that for all calls, emails and texts. I don't have any of it linked to my phone and on the occasion I need to make a call and I'm away from my computer, I temporarily add that gmail account to my phone with all sync turned off and then when I'm done I remove the account. Also, when I check from a browser I make sure I'm in incognito mode. I know that doesn't hide anything as far as ISP and IP address, but it keeps cookies and things from downloading and nothing will show up in my history nor will it auto suggest anything I type while in incognito mode. The last thing I do is to make sure I delete any address out of Waze after using GPS.

The one thing that I find a bit scary is that I also setup a dummy Facebook account that is linked to my mongering Gmail account and Facebook still recommends friends from my personal life. I know you can't really keep anything a secret and I know how they figure it out, but it still kind of freaks me out. For that reason I have no pictures at all on my fake Facebook account because I can only assume that account is being suggested to my friends as well.I use an app called text me. You can text and make phone calls but I only think you get like 10 free phone calls.

When I am done using it I delete the app and just reinstall again when I need it. It will keep your text threads on there when you reinstall the app unless you already deleted those threads.

UptownFunk88
08-29-17, 13:56
I do the exact same thing, dummy gmail account and incognito mode. I think the next step to take from that is to use a vpn service to encrypt all your traffic that way the isp can't log anything going to and from your desktop and phone. I've tried it but it does slow everything down, a lot of times you have to weigh the convenience with the safety factor.


This is an excellent idea.

I have a separate gmail account that has it's own google voice account and I use that for all calls, emails and texts. I don't have any of it linked to my phone and on the occasion I need to make a call and I'm away from my computer, I temporarily add that gmail account to my phone with all sync turned off and then when I'm done I remove the account. Also, when I check from a browser I make sure I'm in incognito mode. I know that doesn't hide anything as far as ISP and IP address, but it keeps cookies and things from downloading and nothing will show up in my history nor will it auto suggest anything I type while in incognito mode. The last thing I do is to make sure I delete any address out of Waze after using GPS.

The one thing that I find a bit scary is that I also setup a dummy Facebook account that is linked to my mongering Gmail account and Facebook still recommends friends from my personal life. I know you can't really keep anything a secret and I know how they figure it out, but it still kind of freaks me out. For that reason I have no pictures at all on my fake Facebook account because I can only assume that account is being suggested to my friends as well.

GobMan
08-30-17, 19:34
I agree with most of what you said. I've honestly been slipping up in terms of deleting texts and contact info, but I can say it's only because I don't hobby that often. I should do it more, but I guess part of the reason I don't delete texts is because Idk if I'm speaking to the same girl that I hate from the past. So in a way they remind me of who I'm speaking too.

I'm not sure what a black book or vcf viewer is, albeit I should look more into it. Though I would appreciate an explanation.

Other than that, fingerprint scanners are cool, though I don't trust having a fingerprint scanner, due to hacking risk and possibly having my fingerprint uploaded, but I would still like a burner phone. The Black Phone could be a really good device for this. You could possibly combine a finger print scanner with a burner phone, just in case it's confiscated. The only worry I have is the FBI and law enforcement trying to get backdoor access into smart phones, which is why I'd say the Black Phone could be a good contender in the future.

Last, you're definitely right: Google is the most trifling organization with it comes to collecting personal data, other than the NSA / CIA. The search engine itself is made to personalize your search results, and due to their recent policies and politics, it's become way more centralized and way less anonymous when it comes to free speech. Therefore, my only advise is to de-Google-ify yourselves, which means stop using almost all and uninstall all of their apps. YouTube and Gmail can be exceptions, but it can also be viewed on a web browser, plus Google Chrome needs to go. The shitty browser takes up too much cpu and makes everything run slower. Honestly the reason I still have Chrome is because I haven't been able to close all of the tabs I've kept open, due to laziness, but once I'm done with that, Chrome is gone. Facebook is the same, but not too extreme, because they don't really have a search engine, plus it's dying anyway and it's still a good way to identify escorts and their criminal records. Trust me guys. If you guys want I can also post some great alternatives to Google, to make things safer and easier for yourselves. Otherwise, I highly suggest looking into alternatives. For escorts, I basically made a separate Gmail account just for escorts, but I just realized how dumb that actually is, since police CAN confiscate your phone. So I suggest getting a more decentralized encrypted email, with a password that you can manually log into each time, otherwise, it's more likely for cops to get in. So yeah, just don't use anything Google related (including Google Maps))) for hobbying, other than YouTube vids and such. Make sure your phone's gps doesn't track you, when you're about to head off, or at the very least delete your location history from your phone once you get there, or make sure you turn off the option for Google to have a location history, because (IT DOES HAVE THIS ALMOST AUTOMATICALLY))), so if you don't want it, find it and switch it off. Yeah Google has too much power. So when it's collecting all of this info and getting heavily involved with politics, with no other platforms to rival it other than Facebook, we shouldn't rely on it, even if it means less convenience.

So what do you guys think?

Thanks for making this thread Gobman. I think it's necessary for everyone to get into.By blackbook I mean my contact list of girls. You can backup your list of phone contacts, it saves it as a vcf file. It's like an Excel file but you can only open it with a vcf viewer. As far as phone browsers, I ditch chrome and use opera mobile browser. It has a setting to delete your history and cache files on exit. It also has ad block built into it.

GobMan
08-30-17, 19:38
I use an app called text me. You can text and make phone calls but I only think you get like 10 free phone calls.

When I am done using it I delete the app and just reinstall again when I need it. It will keep your text threads on there when you reinstall the app unless you already deleted those threads.Thanks, that's what I'm talking about! Going to try it soon. I used to have this stealth app that looked like a solitaire game but with a secret key combo and correct password it unlocked into an app like this. I will try to dig it up.

GobMan
08-30-17, 20:02
This shit is serious guys. Within 1 minute of time with your phone I can know precisely EVERYWHERE you've BEEN for the past few MONTHS. Every stop, exactly how long and when. Think I'm crazy? I bet you do. Check this shit out.

Open Google maps on your phone. Click the menu to the top right. Click on timeline. See that shit boy? Click on the calendar to the top right. All your whoar laps around FIB and your "pitstops on the way home" are mapped like a freaking bus route. Can you imagine telling your girl you had to work late and she sees you stopping at a house in the hood for 30 min? Can you imagine your wife in your phone and seeing precisely every where you stopped and when and what order every minute of the day and night for the past month? Probably admissable in divorce court, that shit is undeniable proof of your escapades. Someone help me figure out how to disable this shit or at least just erase the history.

Niteluvr
08-30-17, 20:54
This shit is serious guys. Within 1 minute of time with your phone I can know precisely EVERYWHERE you've BEEN for the past few MONTHS. Every stop, exactly how long and when. Think I'm crazy? I bet you do. Check this shit out.

Open Google maps on your phone. Click the menu to the top right. Click on timeline. See that shit boy? Click on the calendar to the top right. All your whoar laps around FIB and your "pitstops on the way home" are mapped like a freaking bus route. Can you imagine telling your girl you had to work late and she sees you stopping at a house in the hood for 30 min? Can you imagine your wife in your phone and seeing precisely every where you stopped and when and what order every minute of the day and night for the past month? Probably admissable in divorce court, that shit is undeniable proof of your escapades. Someone help me figure out how to disable this shit or at least just erase the history.Tried it and mine was turned off by default, so that means it CAN be turned off. On the screen to turn the option on, there's also an option to delete the history so no need to shit. Suggest you play with it and figure out how to turn it off and delete the history. If you can't figure it out, you may want to go to your service provider's store and ask one of the employees how to do it.

HalliknWolk
08-30-17, 21:34
This shit is serious guys. Within 1 minute of time with your phone I can know precisely EVERYWHERE you've BEEN for the past few MONTHS. Every stop, exactly how long and when. Think I'm crazy? I bet you do. Check this shit out.

Open Google maps on your phone. Click the menu to the top right. Click on timeline. See that shit boy? Click on the calendar to the top right. All your whoar laps around FIB and your "pitstops on the way home" are mapped like a freaking bus route. Can you imagine telling your girl you had to work late and she sees you stopping at a house in the hood for 30 min? Can you imagine your wife in your phone and seeing precisely every where you stopped and when and what order every minute of the day and night for the past month? Probably admissable in divorce court, that shit is undeniable proof of your escapades. Someone help me figure out how to disable this shit or at least just erase the history.I have an iPhone but if you turn off all of your location services that might work.

HalliknWolk
08-30-17, 21:38
I don't know how secure this app is but I use an app called sideline for my mongering. It doesn't use data to make calls so its really just like having a second number on your phone. It places call through a third party number and receive calls through a third party number. I haven't had any problems with it so far. It also sends and receive text too.

DRickGiver5
08-30-17, 22:03
This shit is serious guys. Within 1 minute of time with your phone I can know precisely EVERYWHERE you've BEEN for the past few MONTHS. Every stop, exactly how long and when. Think I'm crazy? I bet you do. Check this shit out.

Open Google maps on your phone. Click the menu to the top right. Click on timeline. See that shit boy? Click on the calendar to the top right. All your whoar laps around FIB and your "pitstops on the way home" are mapped like a freaking bus route. Can you imagine telling your girl you had to work late and she sees you stopping at a house in the hood for 30 min? Can you imagine your wife in your phone and seeing precisely every where you stopped and when and what order every minute of the day and night for the past month? Probably admissable in divorce court, that shit is undeniable proof of your escapades. Someone help me figure out how to disable this shit or at least just erase the history.And that's with any phone, not just android.

GobMan
08-30-17, 22:29
And that's with any phone, not just android.Thanks, I turned it off. I see there's a setting to delete all location history too in the settings. Sorry I was just was a little upset they would make that feature available without opt in.

MikeAsEscorts
08-31-17, 03:38
Thanks, I turned it off. I see there's a setting to delete all location history too in the settings. Sorry I was just was a little upset they would make that feature available without opt in.Ummm, if any of you guys actually took the time to read my post, you will find that I actually mentioned this issue in the first place. It's funny how you guys realize this, after the fact. Which is why I made the claim to drop Google altogether. It's not your friend, anymore. Android has also been trifling as well.

Anyways, you use Opera. But what about Firefox Focus? I use it, and I'm not having any troubles. It's basically anti tracker. Check it out. It's a good alternative. Simple to use, but I'm going to still be looking for more ways. And did I also mention to De-Google-ify yourselves?

JDont
09-01-17, 20:46
Any opinions on this app?. I am no expert on security but it seemed like an easier option than a google account linked to me. I use it and it works for me. It's not free but it's easy to use and has fingerprint security. Works off of wifi as well.

I use it mainly for text. But some calls and occasional wifi calls. Can burn and start new numbers easily. I use a 1 line subscription.

Burner. Private Calls & Texts, 2nd Phone Number by Ad Hoc Labs, Inc.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/burner-private-calls-texts-2nd-phone-number

ShyGuyAtlanta
09-03-17, 14:31
I keep it simple, you an app called pinger, works on web, IOS and Android and I stay logged out unless I am on the prowl so avoid unwanted calls. You can buy minutes to make voice calls as well.

ReaperGuy
09-07-17, 19:18
So here's my situation: I have a live-in SO and mostly joint bank accounts, she sees the phone bill every month / etc. We have a pretty hard agreement on not snooping on each other after she got really possessive on me earlier in the relationship, I had to shut that shit down. I've built some policy around how I handle seeing other women to ensure I don't have any issues, I'm also stupidly consistent with it despite not being a serial monger (I may see a girl once a month / every other month at most).

My current mongering rules / setup is the following:

1. Phone Hardware. My phone is locked down exceptionally hard. I already have multiple phones due to work, carrying yet another is just an annoyance I cannot / do not want to handle. I have an Android personal phone, my work phones aren't relevant here. My personal phone screen locks after 30 seconds of inactivity and has pattern locking enabled. As a general rule (IANAL, read up on it), you can be compelled by the court to give up something you have (a phone) or something you are (like fingerprints or DNA), but not necessarily something you know (a password or information). 5th amendment protections have generally been ruled to not apply to the first 2, but they do for things in your head. This is not settled yet by a Supreme Court ruling, but it will eventually make its way there as there have been several privacy issues at Appellate. Locking your phone with a fingerprint may seem secure, but if it's the ONLY method you're using on your phone you are doing yourself a disservice. You've already lost pretty hard if you're at that point, but layering your protection starting with your SO or the public and working your way up to criminal protection is the best strategy.

My phone will delete all data and brick if the pattern code is entered too many times incorrectly, and the number is high enough to survive my drunken attempts to unlock it but is low enough to blow away my data if someone tries to brute force it. I keep no data on the phone I care about that isn't synced elsewhere, what I mainly want to prevent is anyone viewing my open applications or other related data I can't easily see.

2. Phone Data. I have a daily google account I have used for nearly 15 years, I also have a monger account that only exists on my phone. I have never logged into it anywhere else and never will. I only use it for emailing on craigslist, being my email account of record for things like SA, etc. I have a google voice # associated with the monger gmail account that I use for calling and texting girls, I do not have integration enabled to call by default in place of my normal number and texts are the same way. If I want to call someone on the gvoice number, I have to go in and manually do it. I never have wifi enabled when I monger or do anything over wifi that I wouldn't want someone to see. I always use incognito mode to view material like this site, I am a very frequent reader (some of you guys crack me the fuck up when I have a couple minutes of downtime to read) so I just leave the tab open along with backpage and a few other sites at various times. There's always a risk someone grabs my phone and sees it, but that's not a high risk for me and I'm not super concerned. I save no incriminating data on the phone ever for any reason, I immediately remove anything that's dangerous same day. I keep the various things I need in google drive for the monger gmail account, again not setup to sync anywhere / login anywhere / etc. All that information is in my head. I also have MFA enabled for the monger account using a phone # for the MFA piece that actually goes to another gvoice number on a different unrelated account. All passwords used for the monger accounts are not shared anywhere else, they are unique. Same for usernames, you won't find something like Reaper anywhere near the rest of my accounts anywhere online. As some of you have noticed, Google Maps will track where you've gone, you can deal with that by disabling the GPS on the phone. I do that before I leave for a monger session and enable it when I get back. I also regularly clean that information out as part of my data retention policy (I nuke shit regularly to avoid too much building up).

3. Home PC. Besides making posts like this in Incognito mode I never use my home PC (or any device for that matter, beyond my phone) to do anything monger related. That won't stop a search warrant for ISP data information, but along with a proper cache cleaning will prevent anyone from finding data on the PC that's worthwhile. If I wanted more security I'd use a VPN that runs through a non-US country, but I don't need that level of security as I'm not doing anything *that* illegal (no underage, no runaways, no pimping, etc) that might land me in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Again none of my mongering accounts / etc are ever used from a PC except this site and occasionally a BP browse, and those are all done with incog on. You could also use Tor in place of a real VPN, but again that won't protect you if you're doing some Federal shit since the FBI operates exit nodes in multiple countries. They won't care about a guy buying pussy unless it's underage / trafficked / etc. I don't do much on the PC, so I don't have a heavy security presence for it beyond a unique password for the login and I keep it locked when I'm not on it. I do have an encrypted SSD with all my data on it that uses TPM, so you have to have a specific USB device plugged in to actually power the PC on and have it boot. You're not recovering the data on it without the key, and I carry the key with me at all times. I haven't tested how easy it is to destroy the USB key beyond just stepping on it, it would honestly be easier to just drop it in a toilet or the ground and no one would know how to use it honestly.

4. Car. I like to do street walkers with the occasional UTR / BP / SA side piece, and I always do incalls or car dates. That means girls always see me with my car, I take steps to remove 'memorable' things about my car. Try to be as plain and inconspicuous as possible. I carry a 9 mm handgun with me at all times even when I'm not on monger patrol, it always has a round in the chamber with the hammer cocked and the safety on while in a CCW holster. If I'm not wearing it, it's in the same spot in the car always. I have another 9 mm pistol that's 24/7 in the center console and never leaves the car except for using it on the range or cleaning. Training yourself to always do things in a repeatable manner prevents panic in a crisis. My weapons are always in the same position with the same configuration, I don't even have to think about where they are or whether they're loaded, etc. I do the same for everything else, I always put my money in the same spot in the car, I put my wallet and valuables in the same spot in the car, I clean it and keep anything loose in the car in the same place all the time, etc. I often even fill up the car and put a couple drinks in the center console for going cruising. I take any personally identifying information of mine and where I work removed from the car, it's usually in the trunk since I have to keep a lot of work related stuff with me at all times. I inspect the inside and outside of the car before I ride off to FIB or the nearest hooker hotel, it's stupid things like broken tail lights that get someone's attention so don't have anything busted on your ride. I also inspect the car BEFORE I get home after a session and fix anything that needs it. Putting stuff back in the car seats that was in the trunk, making sure some crack ho didn't leave her equipment in my backseat (and yea I've found a fucking pipe in my back seat before after a session), make sure any condom wrappers are removed and disposed of at a public trash can, etc. I keep condoms and cash in my work bag in a small compartment that's not easily visible, I store nothing else in that section of the bag and I always inventory what I take out and put back in to make sure I'm not missing anything.

5. Money. I have a personal account that isn't visible to anyone but me, I use it for play money I siphon off my main SO shared account every month. I do personal investments, projects, and things like that from this account. I pull cash via the ATM (ATM fees are refunded by the card issuer) and NEVER use the credit part of the card. If I need to pay for something like SA, I buy a gift card with cash and use that to do it. I use the same fake name / address / etc for those cards, the address is legit but it's a PO Box. I never use my normal accounts for anything monger related, even if I want some food it comes from the private account if it's related to a monger trip. This avoids doing something stupid like fueling up on FIB when I live in the northern suburbs and the SO noticing the gas station location. I keep that life completely compartmentalized as much as possible, especially finances.

6. Personal Info - I have a monger persona I use, this includes a name, address, phone #, etc. I've already mentioned most of this, but this is how it's tied together. I always use that info if I have to, and I change some of it on a schedule (phone # every 6 months for example). It hasn't happened yet, but I had a LEO run-in I would provide my legitimate information. There is no overlap in my monger and legit identity beyond my vehicle, if I was really concerned about that I would actually use a rental or just steal a set of plates I could use only during a monger encounter. That seems more dangerous to me than just doing things as I do, so I haven't considered it legitimately. I am looking into ways to prevent photos from being taken of my plates, since I think that's the only significant weakness in my setup. Not so much for the cops, but for some trick that gets knocked up to come after me for support. I try to avoid that by being careful how I park and approach a situation and ensuring that I don't put myself in a situation where a chick gets knocked up and is riding around in my car. I love blasting loads in chicks as much as the next guy, so it is a weakness of my setup that I'm aware of and have just accepted for now. It's a bit of a thrill that I enjoy honestly, but I know that it could come back to bite me until I get fixed.

ChichiMan
09-07-17, 21:34
So here's my situation: I have a live-in SO and mostly joint bank accounts, she sees the phone bill every month / etc. We have a pretty hard agreement on not snooping on each other after she got really possessive on me earlier in the relationship, I had to shut that shit down. I've built some policy around how I handle seeing other women to ensure I don't have any issues, I'm also stupidly consistent with it despite not being a serial monger (I may see a girl once a month / every other month at most).

My current mongering rules / setup is the following:

1. Phone Hardware. My phone is locked down exceptionally hard. I already have multiple phones due to work, carrying yet another is just an annoyance I cannot / do not want to handle. I have an Android personal phone, my work phones aren't relevant here. My personal phone screen locks after 30 seconds of inactivity and has pattern locking enabled. As a general rule (IANAL, read up on it), you can be compelled by the court to give up something you have (a phone) or something you are (like fingerprints or DNA), but not necessarily something you know (a password or information). 5th amendment protections have generally been ruled to not apply to the first 2, but they do for things in your head. This is not settled yet by a Supreme Court ruling, but it will eventually make its way there as there have been several privacy issues at Appellate. Locking your phone with a fingerprint may seem secure, but if it's the ONLY method you're using on your phone you are doing yourself a disservice. You've already lost pretty hard if you're at that point, but layering your protection starting with your SO or the public and working your way up to criminal protection is the best strategy.

My phone will delete all data and brick if the pattern code is entered too many times incorrectly, and the number is high enough to survive my drunken attempts to unlock it but is low enough to blow away my data if someone tries to brute force it. I keep no data on the phone I care about that isn't synced elsewhere, what I mainly want to prevent is anyone viewing my open applications or other related data I can't easily see.

2. Phone Data. I have a daily google account I have used for nearly 15 years, I also have a monger account that only exists on my phone. I have never logged into it anywhere else and never will. I only use it for emailing on craigslist, being my email account of record for things like SA, etc. I have a google voice # associated with the monger gmail account that I use for calling and texting girls, I do not have integration enabled to call by default in place of my normal number and texts are the same way. If I want to call someone on the gvoice number, I have to go in and manually do it. I never have wifi enabled when I monger or do anything over wifi that I wouldn't want someone to see. I always use incognito mode to view material like this site, I am a very frequent reader (some of you guys crack me the fuck up when I have a couple minutes of downtime to read) so I just leave the tab open along with backpage and a few other sites at various times. There's always a risk someone grabs my phone and sees it, but that's not a high risk for me and I'm not super concerned. I save no incriminating data on the phone ever for any reason, I immediately remove anything that's dangerous same day. I keep the various things I need in google drive for the monger gmail account, again not setup to sync anywhere / login anywhere / etc. All that information is in my head. I also have MFA enabled for the monger account using a phone # for the MFA piece that actually goes to another gvoice number on a different unrelated account. All passwords used for the monger accounts are not shared anywhere else, they are unique. Same for usernames, you won't find something like Reaper anywhere near the rest of my accounts anywhere online. As some of you have noticed, Google Maps will track where you've gone, you can deal with that by disabling the GPS on the phone. I do that before I leave for a monger session and enable it when I get back. I also regularly clean that information out as part of my data retention policy (I nuke shit regularly to avoid too much building up).

3. Home PC. Besides making posts like this in Incognito mode I never use my home PC (or any device for that matter, beyond my phone) to do anything monger related. That won't stop a search warrant for ISP data information, but along with a proper cache cleaning will prevent anyone from finding data on the PC that's worthwhile. If I wanted more security I'd use a VPN that runs through a non-US country, but I don't need that level of security as I'm not doing anything *that* illegal (no underage, no runaways, no pimping, etc) that might land me in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Again none of my mongering accounts / etc are ever used from a PC except this site and occasionally a BP browse, and those are all done with incog on. You could also use Tor in place of a real VPN, but again that won't protect you if you're doing some Federal shit since the FBI operates exit nodes in multiple countries. They won't care about a guy buying pussy unless it's underage / trafficked / etc. I don't do much on the PC, so I don't have a heavy security presence for it beyond a unique password for the login and I keep it locked when I'm not on it. I do have an encrypted SSD with all my data on it that uses TPM, so you have to have a specific USB device plugged in to actually power the PC on and have it boot. You're not recovering the data on it without the key, and I carry the key with me at all times. I haven't tested how easy it is to destroy the USB key beyond just stepping on it, it would honestly be easier to just drop it in a toilet or the ground and no one would know how to use it honestly.

4. Car. I like to do street walkers with the occasional UTR / BP / SA side piece, and I always do incalls or car dates. That means girls always see me with my car, I take steps to remove 'memorable' things about my car. Try to be as plain and inconspicuous as possible. I carry a 9 mm handgun with me at all times even when I'm not on monger patrol, it always has a round in the chamber with the hammer cocked and the safety on while in a CCW holster. If I'm not wearing it, it's in the same spot in the car always. I have another 9 mm pistol that's 24/7 in the center console and never leaves the car except for using it on the range or cleaning. Training yourself to always do things in a repeatable manner prevents panic in a crisis. My weapons are always in the same position with the same configuration, I don't even have to think about where they are or whether they're loaded, etc. I do the same for everything else, I always put my money in the same spot in the car, I put my wallet and valuables in the same spot in the car, I clean it and keep anything loose in the car in the same place all the time, etc. I often even fill up the car and put a couple drinks in the center console for going cruising. I take any personally identifying information of mine and where I work removed from the car, it's usually in the trunk since I have to keep a lot of work related stuff with me at all times. I inspect the inside and outside of the car before I ride off to FIB or the nearest hooker hotel, it's stupid things like broken tail lights that get someone's attention so don't have anything busted on your ride. I also inspect the car BEFORE I get home after a session and fix anything that needs it. Putting stuff back in the car seats that was in the trunk, making sure some crack ho didn't leave her equipment in my backseat (and yea I've found a fucking pipe in my back seat before after a session), make sure any condom wrappers are removed and disposed of at a public trash can, etc. I keep condoms and cash in my work bag in a small compartment that's not easily visible, I store nothing else in that section of the bag and I always inventory what I take out and put back in to make sure I'm not missing anything.

5. Money. I have a personal account that isn't visible to anyone but me, I use it for play money I siphon off my main SO shared account every month. I do personal investments, projects, and things like that from this account. I pull cash via the ATM (ATM fees are refunded by the card issuer) and NEVER use the credit part of the card. If I need to pay for something like SA, I buy a gift card with cash and use that to do it. I use the same fake name / address / etc for those cards, the address is legit but it's a PO Box. I never use my normal accounts for anything monger related, even if I want some food it comes from the private account if it's related to a monger trip. This avoids doing something stupid like fueling up on FIB when I live in the northern suburbs and the SO noticing the gas station location. I keep that life completely compartmentalized as much as possible, especially finances.

6. Personal Info - I have a monger persona I use, this includes a name, address, phone #, etc. I've already mentioned most of this, but this is how it's tied together. I always use that info if I have to, and I change some of it on a schedule (phone # every 6 months for example). It hasn't happened yet, but I had a LEO run-in I would provide my legitimate information. There is no overlap in my monger and legit identity beyond my vehicle, if I was really concerned about that I would actually use a rental or just steal a set of plates I could use only during a monger encounter. That seems more dangerous to me than just doing things as I do, so I haven't considered it legitimately. I am looking into ways to prevent photos from being taken of my plates, since I think that's the only significant weakness in my setup. Not so much for the cops, but for some trick that gets knocked up to come after me for support. I try to avoid that by being careful how I park and approach a situation and ensuring that I don't put myself in a situation where a chick gets knocked up and is riding around in my car. I love blasting loads in chicks as much as the next guy, so it is a weakness of my setup that I'm aware of and have just accepted for now. It's a bit of a thrill that I enjoy honestly, but I know that it could come back to bite me until I get fixed.Wow, that is really thorough.

DonHomes
09-07-17, 23:23
So here's my situation: I have a live-in SO and mostly joint bank accounts, she sees the phone bill every month / etc. We have a pretty hard agreement on not snooping on each other after she got really possessive on me earlier in the relationship, I had to shut that shit down. I've built some policy around how I handle seeing other women to ensure I don't have any issues, I'm also stupidly consistent with it despite not being a serial monger (I may see a girl once a month / every other month at most).

My current mongering rules / setup is the following:

1. Phone Hardware. My phone is locked down exceptionally hard. I already have multiple phones due to work, carrying yet another is just an annoyance I cannot / do not want to handle. I have an Android personal phone, my work phones aren't relevant here. My personal phone screen locks after 30 seconds of inactivity and has pattern locking enabled. As a general rule (IANAL, read up on it), you can be compelled by the court to give up something you have (a phone) or something you are (like fingerprints or DNA), but not necessarily something you know (a password or information). 5th amendment protections have generally been ruled to not apply to the first 2, but they do for things in your head. This is not settled yet by a Supreme Court ruling, but it will eventually make its way there as there have been several privacy issues at Appellate. Locking your phone with a fingerprint may seem secure, but if it's the ONLY method you're using on your phone you are doing yourself a disservice. You've already lost pretty hard if you're at that point, but layering your protection starting with your SO or the public and working your way up to criminal protection is the best strategy.

My phone will delete all data and brick if the pattern code is entered too many times incorrectly, and the number is high enough to survive my drunken attempts to unlock it but is low enough to blow away my data if someone tries to brute force it. I keep no data on the phone I care about that isn't synced elsewhere, what I mainly want to prevent is anyone viewing my open applications or other related data I can't easily see.

2. Phone Data. I have a daily google account I have used for nearly 15 years, I also have a monger account that only exists on my phone. I have never logged into it anywhere else and never will. I only use it for emailing on craigslist, being my email account of record for things like SA, etc. I have a google voice # associated with the monger gmail account that I use for calling and texting girls, I do not have integration enabled to call by default in place of my normal number and texts are the same way. If I want to call someone on the gvoice number, I have to go in and manually do it. I never have wifi enabled when I monger or do anything over wifi that I wouldn't want someone to see. I always use incognito mode to view material like this site, I am a very frequent reader (some of you guys crack me the fuck up when I have a couple minutes of downtime to read) so I just leave the tab open along with backpage and a few other sites at various times. There's always a risk someone grabs my phone and sees it, but that's not a high risk for me and I'm not super concerned. I save no incriminating data on the phone ever for any reason, I immediately remove anything that's dangerous same day. I keep the various things I need in google drive for the monger gmail account, again not setup to sync anywhere / login anywhere / etc. All that information is in my head. I also have MFA enabled for the monger account using a phone # for the MFA piece that actually goes to another gvoice number on a different unrelated account. All passwords used for the monger accounts are not shared anywhere else, they are unique. Same for usernames, you won't find something like Reaper anywhere near the rest of my accounts anywhere online. As some of you have noticed, Google Maps will track where you've gone, you can deal with that by disabling the GPS on the phone. I do that before I leave for a monger session and enable it when I get back. I also regularly clean that information out as part of my data retention policy (I nuke shit regularly to avoid too much building up).

3. Home PC. Besides making posts like this in Incognito mode I never use my home PC (or any device for that matter, beyond my phone) to do anything monger related. That won't stop a search warrant for ISP data information, but along with a proper cache cleaning will prevent anyone from finding data on the PC that's worthwhile. If I wanted more security I'd use a VPN that runs through a non-US country, but I don't need that level of security as I'm not doing anything *that* illegal (no underage, no runaways, no pimping, etc) that might land me in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Again none of my mongering accounts / etc are ever used from a PC except this site and occasionally a BP browse, and those are all done with incog on. You could also use Tor in place of a real VPN, but again that won't protect you if you're doing some Federal shit since the FBI operates exit nodes in multiple countries. They won't care about a guy buying pussy unless it's underage / trafficked / etc. I don't do much on the PC, so I don't have a heavy security presence for it beyond a unique password for the login and I keep it locked when I'm not on it. I do have an encrypted SSD with all my data on it that uses TPM, so you have to have a specific USB device plugged in to actually power the PC on and have it boot. You're not recovering the data on it without the key, and I carry the key with me at all times. I haven't tested how easy it is to destroy the USB key beyond just stepping on it, it would honestly be easier to just drop it in a toilet or the ground and no one would know how to use it honestly.

4. Car. I like to do street walkers with the occasional UTR / BP / SA side piece, and I always do incalls or car dates. That means girls always see me with my car, I take steps to remove 'memorable' things about my car. Try to be as plain and inconspicuous as possible. I carry a 9 mm handgun with me at all times even when I'm not on monger patrol, it always has a round in the chamber with the hammer cocked and the safety on while in a CCW holster. If I'm not wearing it, it's in the same spot in the car always. I have another 9 mm pistol that's 24/7 in the center console and never leaves the car except for using it on the range or cleaning. Training yourself to always do things in a repeatable manner prevents panic in a crisis. My weapons are always in the same position with the same configuration, I don't even have to think about where they are or whether they're loaded, etc. I do the same for everything else, I always put my money in the same spot in the car, I put my wallet and valuables in the same spot in the car, I clean it and keep anything loose in the car in the same place all the time, etc. I often even fill up the car and put a couple drinks in the center console for going cruising. I take any personally identifying information of mine and where I work removed from the car, it's usually in the trunk since I have to keep a lot of work related stuff with me at all times. I inspect the inside and outside of the car before I ride off to FIB or the nearest hooker hotel, it's stupid things like broken tail lights that get someone's attention so don't have anything busted on your ride. I also inspect the car BEFORE I get home after a session and fix anything that needs it. Putting stuff back in the car seats that was in the trunk, making sure some crack ho didn't leave her equipment in my backseat (and yea I've found a fucking pipe in my back seat before after a session), make sure any condom wrappers are removed and disposed of at a public trash can, etc. I keep condoms and cash in my work bag in a small compartment that's not easily visible, I store nothing else in that section of the bag and I always inventory what I take out and put back in to make sure I'm not missing anything.

5. Money. I have a personal account that isn't visible to anyone but me, I use it for play money I siphon off my main SO shared account every month. I do personal investments, projects, and things like that from this account. I pull cash via the ATM (ATM fees are refunded by the card issuer) and NEVER use the credit part of the card. If I need to pay for something like SA, I buy a gift card with cash and use that to do it. I use the same fake name / address / etc for those cards, the address is legit but it's a PO Box. I never use my normal accounts for anything monger related, even if I want some food it comes from the private account if it's related to a monger trip. This avoids doing something stupid like fueling up on FIB when I live in the northern suburbs and the SO noticing the gas station location. I keep that life completely compartmentalized as much as possible, especially finances.

6. Personal Info - I have a monger persona I use, this includes a name, address, phone #, etc. I've already mentioned most of this, but this is how it's tied together. I always use that info if I have to, and I change some of it on a schedule (phone # every 6 months for example). It hasn't happened yet, but I had a LEO run-in I would provide my legitimate information. There is no overlap in my monger and legit identity beyond my vehicle, if I was really concerned about that I would actually use a rental or just steal a set of plates I could use only during a monger encounter. That seems more dangerous to me than just doing things as I do, so I haven't considered it legitimately. I am looking into ways to prevent photos from being taken of my plates, since I think that's the only significant weakness in my setup. Not so much for the cops, but for some trick that gets knocked up to come after me for support. I try to avoid that by being careful how I park and approach a situation and ensuring that I don't put myself in a situation where a chick gets knocked up and is riding around in my car. I love blasting loads in chicks as much as the next guy, so it is a weakness of my setup that I'm aware of and have just accepted for now. It's a bit of a thrill that I enjoy honestly, but I know that it could come back to bite me until I get fixed.Thanks for your lengthy post. I am careful as well. It you have thought things out and going to take pointers from your post.

RipperMagoo
09-08-17, 07:41
A POT wants to text over WhatsApp. I looked at it, and it it boasts about integrating with your normal contacts, etc. I also use GV. Will it work with GV? It doesn't seem like it would. Anyone try it yet? If not, I'll practice with it today and see what exposure it may create.

WhatsApp is the biggest messaging platform in the world. It's unknown in the US because texting is free there, texts still cost a lot in most of the world.

I would suggest using it with a burner chip on a burner phone if privacy is an issue.

A2

ReaperGuy
09-08-17, 19:03
Thanks for your lengthy post. I am careful as well. It you have thought things out and going to take pointers from your post.There's still some holes in how I do things besides the car plate example I gave. My 3rd google account (which is the monger account's MFA phone / text # to login) isn't permanently attached to my phone, but I do attach it for login purposes when I need to do so. I remove it when I'm done posting / replying / etc, however it's still there for some time and that occasionally includes while I'm out on the prowl. There's risk there that if I was busted, the MFA account would be attached and the phone would ring / buzz if someone was attempting to login to my craigslist / SA / etc accounts to prove I was the person using those accounts. I suspect that 95% of police would be far too inept to actually follow through the chain I have setup, but it's entirely possible to do so in the right circumstances. Catching me with the phone unlocked and my third account attached to the phone would provide enough information to connect the dots, however unless they kept the phone unlocked it would lock after 30 seconds and none of the data would be accessible anymore. I didn't mention it, but the phone is also encrypted and not with Android's built-in encryption. That data isn't coming off unless the phone is unlocked. Doesn't mean I might sit my ass in jail for it for a while, but I can tolerate that versus the alternative of having a record. I have enough cash reserves to go several months while unemployed (the 'fuck this job' fund), but having a record lasts longer than that.

Big Comanche
10-12-17, 08:20
I have been using Sideline which allows for texting and phone calls. Unfortunately those bastards now want $5. 99 a month!

Anyone have a free app they like for Android? Thanks.

NoRug17
10-12-17, 08:29
I have been using Sideline which allows for texting and phone calls. Unfortunately those bastards now want $5. 99 a month!

Anyone have a free app they like for Android? Thanks.I use text for free, it has 2 versions both free.

HalliknWolk
10-12-17, 09:05
I have been using Sideline which allows for texting and phone calls. Unfortunately those bastards now want $5. 99 a month!

Anyone have a free app they like for Android? Thanks.Man I got to find a new app myself.

Harley32
10-12-17, 11:19
I have been using Sideline which allows for texting and phone calls. Unfortunately those bastards now want $5. 99 a month!

Anyone have a free app they like for Android? Thanks.Google Voice. It's free.

PeteAppleSeed
10-12-17, 13:26
Google Voice. It's free.Any service like Google voice or the one you have right now is going to be on your phone and it will be somehow attached to either your phone number or your IP address or both, what I do and I suggest you do as well, is go to Walmart get a cheap non-smart phone and by the year-long prepaid card that is worth about 80 bucks so you don't have to be reloading all the time.

When all the agencies got busted about a year ago they had a bunch of mongers contact phone numbers and it was a huge investigation with RICO charges, if anything like that were to happen again (and more than likely it will at some point) you can just toss your phone out the window and buy another one for 30 bucks.

Stash this phone somewhere safe and never turn it on neither at home or office.

PeteAppleSeed
10-12-17, 13:36
So here's my situation: I have a live-in SO and mostly joint bank accounts, she sees the phone bill every month / etc. We have a pretty hard agreement on not snooping on each other after she got really possessive on me earlier in the relationship, I had to shut that shit down. I've built some policy around how I handle seeing other women to ensure I don't have any issues, I'm also stupidly consistent with it despite not being a serial monger (I may see a girl once a month / every other month at most).

My current mongering rules / setup is the following:

1. Phone Hardware. My phone is locked down exceptionally hard. I already have multiple phones due to work, carrying yet another is just an annoyance I cannot / do not want to handle. I have an Android personal phone, my work phones aren't relevant here. My personal phone screen locks after 30 seconds of inactivity and has pattern locking enabled. As a general rule (IANAL, read up on it), you can be compelled by the court to give up something you have (a phone) or something you are (like fingerprints or DNA), but not necessarily something you know (a password or information). 5th amendment protections have generally been ruled to not apply to the first 2, but they do for things in your head. This is not settled yet by a Supreme Court ruling, but it will eventually make its way there as there have been several privacy issues at Appellate. Locking your phone with a fingerprint may seem secure, but if it's the ONLY method you're using on your phone you are doing yourself a disservice. You've already lost pretty hard if you're at that point, but layering your protection starting with your SO or the public and working your way up to criminal protection is the best strategy.

My phone will delete all data and brick if the pattern code is entered too many times incorrectly, and the number is high enough to survive my drunken attempts to unlock it but is low enough to blow away my data if someone tries to brute force it. I keep no data on the phone I care about that isn't synced elsewhere, what I mainly want to prevent is anyone viewing my open applications or other related data I can't easily see.

2. Phone Data. I have a daily google account I have used for nearly 15 years, I also have a monger account that only exists on my phone. I have never logged into it anywhere else and never will. I only use it for emailing on craigslist, being my email account of record for things like SA, etc. I have a google voice # associated with the monger gmail account that I use for calling and texting girls, I do not have integration enabled to call by default in place of my normal number and texts are the same way. If I want to call someone on the gvoice number, I have to go in and manually do it. I never have wifi enabled when I monger or do anything over wifi that I wouldn't want someone to see. I always use incognito mode to view material like this site, I am a very frequent reader (some of you guys crack me the fuck up when I have a couple minutes of downtime to read) so I just leave the tab open along with backpage and a few other sites at various times. There's always a risk someone grabs my phone and sees it, but that's not a high risk for me and I'm not super concerned. I save no incriminating data on the phone ever for any reason, I immediately remove anything that's dangerous same day. I keep the various things I need in google drive for the monger gmail account, again not setup to sync anywhere / login anywhere / etc. All that information is in my head. I also have MFA enabled for the monger account using a phone # for the MFA piece that actually goes to another gvoice number on a different unrelated account. All passwords used for the monger accounts are not shared anywhere else, they are unique. Same for usernames, you won't find something like Reaper anywhere near the rest of my accounts anywhere online. As some of you have noticed, Google Maps will track where you've gone, you can deal with that by disabling the GPS on the phone. I do that before I leave for a monger session and enable it when I get back. I also regularly clean that information out as part of my data retention policy (I nuke shit regularly to avoid too much building up).

3. Home PC. Besides making posts like this in Incognito mode I never use my home PC (or any device for that matter, beyond my phone) to do anything monger related. That won't stop a search warrant for ISP data information, but along with a proper cache cleaning will prevent anyone from finding data on the PC that's worthwhile. If I wanted more security I'd use a VPN that runs through a non-US country, but I don't need that level of security as I'm not doing anything *that* illegal (no underage, no runaways, no pimping, etc) that might land me in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Again none of my mongering accounts / etc are ever used from a PC except this site and occasionally a BP browse, and those are all done with incog on. You could also use Tor in place of a real VPN, but again that won't protect you if you're doing some Federal shit since the FBI operates exit nodes in multiple countries. They won't care about a guy buying pussy unless it's underage / trafficked / etc. I don't do much on the PC, so I don't have a heavy security presence for it beyond a unique password for the login and I keep it locked when I'm not on it. I do have an encrypted SSD with all my data on it that uses TPM, so you have to have a specific USB device plugged in to actually power the PC on and have it boot. You're not recovering the data on it without the key, and I carry the key with me at all times. I haven't tested how easy it is to destroy the USB key beyond just stepping on it, it would honestly be easier to just drop it in a toilet or the ground and no one would know how to use it honestly.

4. Car. I like to do street walkers with the occasional UTR / BP / SA side piece, and I always do incalls or car dates. That means girls always see me with my car, I take steps to remove 'memorable' things about my car. Try to be as plain and inconspicuous as possible. I carry a 9 mm handgun with me at all times even when I'm not on monger patrol, it always has a round in the chamber with the hammer cocked and the safety on while in a CCW holster. If I'm not wearing it, it's in the same spot in the car always. I have another 9 mm pistol that's 24/7 in the center console and never leaves the car except for using it on the range or cleaning. Training yourself to always do things in a repeatable manner prevents panic in a crisis. My weapons are always in the same position with the same configuration, I don't even have to think about where they are or whether they're loaded, etc. I do the same for everything else, I always put my money in the same spot in the car, I put my wallet and valuables in the same spot in the car, I clean it and keep anything loose in the car in the same place all the time, etc. I often even fill up the car and put a couple drinks in the center console for going cruising. I take any personally identifying information of mine and where I work removed from the car, it's usually in the trunk since I have to keep a lot of work related stuff with me at all times. I inspect the inside and outside of the car before I ride off to FIB or the nearest hooker hotel, it's stupid things like broken tail lights that get someone's attention so don't have anything busted on your ride. I also inspect the car BEFORE I get home after a session and fix anything that needs it. Putting stuff back in the car seats that was in the trunk, making sure some crack ho didn't leave her equipment in my backseat (and yea I've found a fucking pipe in my back seat before after a session), make sure any condom wrappers are removed and disposed of at a public trash can, etc. I keep condoms and cash in my work bag in a small compartment that's not easily visible, I store nothing else in that section of the bag and I always inventory what I take out and put back in to make sure I'm not missing anything.

5. Money. I have a personal account that isn't visible to anyone but me, I use it for play money I siphon off my main SO shared account every month. I do personal investments, projects, and things like that from this account. I pull cash via the ATM (ATM fees are refunded by the card issuer) and NEVER use the credit part of the card. If I need to pay for something like SA, I buy a gift card with cash and use that to do it. I use the same fake name / address / etc for those cards, the address is legit but it's a PO Box. I never use my normal accounts for anything monger related, even if I want some food it comes from the private account if it's related to a monger trip. This avoids doing something stupid like fueling up on FIB when I live in the northern suburbs and the SO noticing the gas station location. I keep that life completely compartmentalized as much as possible, especially finances.

6. Personal Info - I have a monger persona I use, this includes a name, address, phone #, etc. I've already mentioned most of this, but this is how it's tied together. I always use that info if I have to, and I change some of it on a schedule (phone # every 6 months for example). It hasn't happened yet, but I had a LEO run-in I would provide my legitimate information. There is no overlap in my monger and legit identity beyond my vehicle, if I was really concerned about that I would actually use a rental or just steal a set of plates I could use only during a monger encounter. That seems more dangerous to me than just doing things as I do, so I haven't considered it legitimately. I am looking into ways to prevent photos from being taken of my plates, since I think that's the only significant weakness in my setup. Not so much for the cops, but for some trick that gets knocked up to come after me for support. I try to avoid that by being careful how I park and approach a situation and ensuring that I don't put myself in a situation where a chick gets knocked up and is riding around in my car. I love blasting loads in chicks as much as the next guy, so it is a weakness of my setup that I'm aware of and have just accepted for now. It's a bit of a thrill that I enjoy honestly, but I know that it could come back to bite me until I get fixed.You're doing great, the only thing I would suggest you change is getting an actual separate burner phone and stash it somewhere that way it's not connected to your personal phone at all, the other thing is I would not monger on my home computer at all I only do it on my cell phone and in case of an emergency I'll ditch that as well and the insurance will give me another one and the last thing and this is just my personal opinion I would get rid of gun that will only bring more trouble. So if you're in a situation where you being robbed just drop the money and walk away. If the gun comes out the police comes out and you're on the news and your SO knows about it.

AtlGent
10-13-17, 14:22
I use Google Voice for all texting and voice calls unless they already know who I am. Plus, it is nice to be able to switch between texting on the phone and texting on a computer. It would be wise to use a burner phone for everything anyway. Go reverse search your phone number at truepeoplesearch dot com.

For those whom I trust, but I still want to hide from my SO, I use Handcent. It has a separate password protected inbox. You can even change the notification icon and create a discreet notification for private box messages-great if she gets a hold of your phone and looks at the notifications on the lock screen.

For those who are tech savy, root your phone and install LineageOS. It has a feature for hiding apps you select from the app folder and putting them into a password locked folder. This is fantastic if someone does get ahold of your phone.

If you use WhatsApp, try WhatsApp lock. It hides the app and creates a discreet notification when a msg is received.

AtlGent
10-13-17, 14:25
I use Google Voice for all texting and voice calls unless they already know who I am. Plus, it is nice to be able to switch between texting on the phone and texting on a computer. It would be wise to use a burner phone for everything anyway. Go reverse search your phone number at truepeoplesearch dot com.

For those whom I trust enough to give them my personal digits, but I still want to hide from my SO, I use Handcent. It has a separate password protected inbox. You can even change the notification icon and create a discreet notification for private box messages-great if she gets a hold of your phone and looks at the notifications on the lock screen.

For those who are tech savy, root your phone and install LineageOS. It has a feature for hiding apps you select from the app folder and putting them into a password locked folder. This is fantastic if someone does get ahold of your phone.

If you use WhatsApp, try WhatsApp lock. It hides the app and creates a discreet notification when a msg is received.

ShyGuyAtlanta
10-13-17, 22:29
I have been using Sideline which allows for texting and phone calls. Unfortunately those bastards now want $5. 99 a month!

Anyone have a free app they like for Android? Thanks.Pinger, texts are free and minutes are dirt cheap and do not expire.

The Wiseacre
02-08-21, 15:57
I suspect many of us have a need to have our personal phone with us at all times, but are worried that we are being tracked by our SO, children, etc. And if you have an iPhone, it's way harder than with Android.

Recently I gave Tenorshare a shot and found that it works well (https://www.tenorshare.com/products/ianygo-change-gps-location-iphone.html).

You connect your iphone to a laptop, launch the app, then enter in the address you want your phone to display in GPS. Then you go wherever you want and the GPS location on your iPhone will not change. When you are done hiding your location (from Find My iPhone, Life360, etc.) then you just reboot the phone and the GPS is accurate again. The application can also do some other cool tricks, but this one alone is worth the price of admission. You can trial the application a few times before you have to pay for it, and it doesn't add an application to your phone either.

This product is a game changer for my mongering tendencies.

JoyDrop
02-08-21, 21:20
This product is a game changer for my mongering tendencies.Nice find, thanks!

Not only would this be useful for hiding *my* location, it would also be exceptionally helpful for those of us who have college age SB's. Last year I was seeing this smoking hot sorority girl at UGA and her parents had her locked down with the Life360 app. She had a workaround, but it was a real pain in the ass every time she spent the night with me or we went out of town. She was always worried about her parents keeping up with her location anytime we got more than a few miles outside of downtown Athens. This would have helped a lot.

The Wiseacre
02-08-21, 22:06
Nice find, thanks!

Not only would this be useful for hiding *my* location, it would also be exceptionally helpful for those of us who have college age SB's. Last year I was seeing this smoking hot sorority girl at UGA and her parents had her locked down with the Life360 app. She had a workaround, but it was a real pain in the ass every time she spent the night with me or we went out of town. She was always worried about her parents keeping up with her location anytime we got more than a few miles outside of downtown Athens. This would have helped a lot.It's $20 per quarter, which isn't cheap, but it's cheaper than getting busted. Also, as I think you discerned, it will work with whatever iPhone that you plug it into. Doesn't use an app on the phone, works off a Mac / PC tethered. You set the location, unplug the phone, and the phone's GPS is locked in until you reboot the phone.

My intention was to revive this thread with other tactics that are more modern than 2017. And GPS tracking a la Find My iPhone and especially Life360 are much more pervasive than they were four years ago. So, hopefully users will add some more updated strategies for staying undercover.

DigitalIndiff
02-09-21, 09:09
It's $20 per quarter, which isn't cheap, but it's cheaper than getting busted. Also, as I think you discerned, it will work with whatever iPhone that you plug it into. Doesn't use an app on the phone, works off a Mac / PC tethered. You set the location, unplug the phone, and the phone's GPS is locked in until you reboot the phone.

My intention was to revive this thread with other tactics that are more modern than 2017. And GPS tracking a la Find My iPhone and especially Life360 are much more pervasive than they were four years ago. So, hopefully users will add some more updated strategies for staying undercover.So, this doesn't quite do what you think it does. It will work for some applications by setting a mock location, but its only for apps on the phone itself. What this won't do is protect your location from.

1). Law Enforcement.

2). Cell network level location provides (think Verizon Family Base for instance).

Both of those use a combination of GPS + Cell tower triangulation to determine location. Now, if you are really worried about that stuff, the easiest work around would be a second phone. I for instance tend to upgrade a phone every 2 years and still have older phones laying around. They don't have a sim so they can't talk to the network towers, but with google voice, I just turn my phone on to forward calls to the google voice number. My real phone sits at home, while I use my spare phones GPS + OSM maps app (offline maps so I don't need a network connection) to navigate around. I'll pop up near a coffee shop for the free wifi, check if I got any messages / VMs, then off I go again.

Now I understand that might not be feasible for some (college SB for instance), but, in that case, to hide your location, just throw the phone in a signal proof bag, do your traveling and what not, then when you get back home, pull it out the bag. Sure, that inconvenient for her not being able to snap pics of food for the gram, but, at least it shows that the last place she was at was home and it looks like she never left, just dropped signal for x hours.

The Wiseacre
02-09-21, 11:38
So, this doesn't quite do what you think it does. It will work for some applications by setting a mock location, but its only for apps on the phone itself. What this won't do is protect your location from.

1). Law Enforcement.

2). Cell network level location provides (think Verizon Family Base for instance).

Both of those use a combination of GPS + Cell tower triangulation to determine location. Now, if you are really worried about that stuff, the easiest work around would be a second phone. I for instance tend to upgrade a phone every 2 years and still have older phones laying around. They don't have a sim so they can't talk to the network towers, but with google voice, I just turn my phone on to forward calls to the google voice number. My real phone sits at home, while I use my spare phones GPS + OSM maps app (offline maps so I don't need a network connection) to navigate around. I'll pop up near a coffee shop for the free wifi, check if I got any messages / VMs, then off I go again.

Now I understand that might not be feasible for some (college SB for instance), but, in that case, to hide your location, just throw the phone in a signal proof bag, do your traveling and what not, then when you get back home, pull it out the bag. Sure, that inconvenient for her not being able to snap pics of food for the gram, but, at least it shows that the last place she was at was home and it looks like she never left, just dropped signal for x hours.I didn't mean to intimate that the application could avoid cellular network tracking, so thanks for pointing that out.

A spare phone without a SIM would work for me. But if I was at an AMP and using their wifi on my spare, would my spare phone give up my location? I guess if I was not sharing it to Find My iPhone and didn't have any other apps such as Life360/ Verizon Family Base / etc. I would be incognito, right?

Edawg5
02-09-21, 14:01
I didn't mean to intimate that the application could avoid cellular network tracking, so thanks for pointing that out.

A spare phone without a SIM would work for me. But if I was at an AMP and using their wifi on my spare, would my spare phone give up my location? I guess if I was not sharing it to Find My iPhone and didn't have any other apps such as Life360/ Verizon Family Base / etc. I would be incognito, right?Your spare phone will not show YOUR location, it will show the location of your SPARE PHONE.

Keeping those two from being associated with each other is another thing to be aware of.

BKeeper
02-09-21, 16:20
Your spare phone will not show YOUR location, it will show the location of your SPARE PHONE.

Keeping those two from being associated with each other is another thing to be aware of.Keep the fact that you have a SPARE (I. E "old and busted" phone) that you are STILL using to yourself. PERIOD.

I have a shoebox full of old tech at home. I have 3 phones that I know I could use if I wanted to in there, and the "Obama Phone" that I currently use (yes, it's THAT OLD) goes in that box (it's set to silent, LOL) whenever I come home.

Jrody1
03-04-21, 16:09
I think it is very important to use a VPN while contacting providers. I use an app phone number and use mobile data with a vpn. Just to mask my IP address etc. Anyone else use a vpn when using certain sites and contacting providers? A VPN should work on any site and app. Wifi or mobile data. Sites that all of a sudden stop certain access due to a presence of vpn are weird IMO. Speaking of this. Anyone having trouble using this site at times with a VPN.

Ozymandias
03-04-21, 20:42
I think it is very important to use a VPN while contacting providers. I use an app phone number and use mobile data with a vpn. Just to mask my IP address etc. Anyone else use a vpn when using certain sites and contacting providers? A VPN should work on any site and app. Wifi or mobile data. Sites that all of a sudden stop certain access due to a presence of vpn are weird IMO. Speaking of this. Anyone having trouble using this site at times with a VPN.One can go on and on about computer OpSec but it's hard to beat TAILS for privacy and security; it's a more technical solution than a VPN, of course, but VPNs are (as you discovered) blockable.

Let me put it this way: if you're an agent in China working to support dissidents, you're probably using TAILS.

O.

CuriousJorge
03-04-21, 21:25
Tails and backtrack are my personal go to. Throw away laptop, backtrack with VM of tails running, booting off an external drive.


One can go on and on about computer OpSec but it's hard to beat TAILS for privacy and security; it's a more technical solution than a VPN, of course, but VPNs are (as you discovered) blockable.

Let me put it this way: if you're an agent in China working to support dissidents, you're probably using TAILS.

O.