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Tampa Monger
05-07-05, 03:27
It's a virtual certainty that some members of WSG Forum are law enforcement. It's also a certainty that some of them are monitoring the forums relative to their cities.

However, do we have any evidence that this is occurring in the Tampa forum? It's hard to say, really, because they may be monitoring but are not as yet prepared to take any action.

Streetwalkers

Streetwalker posts are almost all useless to law enforcement. They are very transient in nature. There's no door they can knock on to serve a warrant or otherwise waste the public's resources. (Shouldn't you guys be chasing real criminals, like murderers?) So streetwalker posts can be quite explicit and there really isn't anything LE can do about it.

Escorts

This is the most vulnerable group, particularly if contact information is provided. The cops can simply set her up, done deal.

Extra Clubs

This is the term I use for clubs that provide extras, chief among them being Lipstixx. Despite the raids of a year or so ago, I don't think these clubs are as vulnerable to our posts as you might think.

Let's think about it. What could LE actually do with the information? Is it good enough to get a warrant from a judge? Probably, but I'm no expert. Still, what could they do with a warrant? Stage a raid? Raids of strip clubs for providing sexual services have happened, but they're of limited utility, because they only net those caught red-handed. The cops are interested in an on-going investigation to bring everything down, like they did with the Pony and the other clubs.

No matter how sexually explicit our posts are, I don't think they're of much utility to LE. Do you think they'd be admissible in court as evidence? Postings to an anonymous message board by people with psuedonyms about people with pseudonyms? It's hard to say, but I think even if they were admissible, they wouldn't be of much value. And I really don't think they are admissible.

No, the cops need an on-going, on-site investigation of a place to really nail it. No matter how explicit our posts are, the best it's going to give them is the notion that something is going on, and folks, I'm pretty sure they're already aware of that.

Let me be clear that when I say "explicit" I mean sexually explicit. For instance, if you post that you ass-fucked a dancer at Mons named Katana and then she swallowed your cum out of a shotglass for $300, I don't think it'd be of much use to LE. However, if you then said that the secret password to getting sex at Mons is IORIO, that would be overstepping it a bit. Don't give out any secrets!

Of course, I could be wrong, so let's get some comments on this.

Hard Working 19
05-07-05, 16:54
Tampa Monger,

I think you are right on the money. Most escorts advertise, via web sites, Creative Loafing, V2 and are well known to LE. I think they are left alone as long as they don't do something, or have something done to them that creates a nuisance, and forces LE to act. An escort working out of her house/apartment with too much traffic might draw the attention of neighbors and a complaint to the local district. I'm also pretty sure that anything written here, or in any other forum couldn't be used as the basis for any kind of warrant as it would be heresay and who could attest to the truthfullness of the author? But my fear is that too much information about the extras provided in clubs, massage establishments etc. might bring the spotlight onto a particular establishment. Cops have known for years about the extra curricular activities in places like the Mons, AMP's etc. but as long as it's not near election time, or it's thrown into their faces, they tend to look the other way. Jost my .02 (Does anyone else remember when the cents sign used to be on typewriter keyboards?)

Tampa Monger
05-08-05, 02:25
I think you may have hit the nail on the head, Mr. Hard Working 19. The real problem is not LE. It's nosy citizens who "want something done about it!" If some do-gooders started reading this site, they would see it as an affront to decency. Imagine if one of the local news stations ran an article about the Tampa Forum that sensationalized some of the things that went on, to the extent possible on the air. The citizenry would be outraged! Something would have to be done! Etc.

Unfortunately this board exists to talk about sex. I really believe it's an all-or-nothing affair. The board just isn't worth having if we can't take the risk of posting some of our sexcapades, and not just for entertainment value, but to help each other out. I think it's a risk worth taking, as long as some level of restraint is exercised.

Gojoe
05-08-05, 03:01
I remember a few months back two escorts here in orlando getting busted.
It went down just like Hard working and Tampa monger are talking about.
The two escorts stayed in a house together and advertised on euros.

All was fine till they started getting alot of business. Then the nieghbors started wondering why every hour a new guy would walk in the house looking up-tight with a hard-on, then leave an hour latter happy and hardless.

The neighbors called the police. The police called the escorts . The girls called it a day, and closed shop for ever. The guy's called it a day and put a close to their happness. So yes, keep it on the down low and the cop's will let it go.

That said, Tampa Monger is right also in that, we are on this board to post information, so post your information, that's no problem. But when you go where you go to get a blow, keep it on the down Lo.

Drew Park
05-08-05, 08:06
Tampa Monger,

I think you are right on the money. Most escorts advertise, via web sites, Creative Loafing, V2 and are well known to LE. I think they are left alone as long as they don't do something, or have something done to them that creates a nuisance, and forces LE to act. An escort working out of her house/apartment with too much traffic might draw the attention of neighbors and a complaint to the local district. I'm also pretty sure that anything written here, or in any other forum couldn't be used as the basis for any kind of warrant as it would be heresay and who could attest to the truthfullness of the author? But my fear is that too much information about the extras provided in clubs, massage establishments etc. might bring the spotlight onto a particular establishment. Cops have known for years about the extra curricular activities in places like the Mons, AMP's etc. but as long as it's not near election time, or it's thrown into their faces, they tend to look the other way. Jost my .02 (Does anyone else remember when the cents sign used to be on typewriter keyboards?)Ahhhhh, how soon we forget.

Operation Flea Collar - - Spring 2002.

Member #4074
05-08-05, 08:45
I often worry that LE (or any other LE agency) will find a way to trace our screen names to our e-mail addresses then to us. I, for one, besides my S.O. knowing, cannot have the people I work with know about my hobby. It's like another life for most of us. Due to my position and the nature of my job, I am putting my faith that Jackson (being in Argentina) will not release our ISP's to any of these agencies. I think that's one of the reasons why he upgraded his server in the first place.

Anyway, sorry about the redirection....just wanna share my 10 pesos worth.

Tampa Monger
05-08-05, 12:09
I don't think my e-mail address would be of much use to them. It's a Hotmail address that I use only for this site and all of the personal information in it is completely (and obviously) fake. I suppose it'd still be possible to trace me using IP address logs, etc., but they'd have to subpoena that from Microsoft (which owns Hotmail). That stuff is pretty transient and it's not likely they'd bother.

I understand your fears, but as a person who works in the IT industry, I can tell you that it's possible, but highly unlikely.

I could be wrong, even horribly wrong, but I don't think the forum is of much use to LE. The danger is that "concerned citizens" outraged by its existence would rouse the police to action. And that risk is the same whether we keep our posts terse and cryptic or long and explicit. So why not make them long and explicit? Otherwise, we might as well not post at all.

Oh, and by the way, I have assfucked a Mons dancer and then had her swallow my load out of a shotglass. Her name was not Katana (though it was similar) and it was over five years ago. I fucked her ass bareback, too. (Only bareback sex I've ever had with a hooker beyond BBBJs. I've tested negative since then many times, but I wouldn't do it again.) It did cost me $300, but you could bounce a quarter off that bubble-butt, so it was worth every penny and more. She did a slutty job of swallowing my load, too. Even licked the shotglass clean for the extra $20 I offered her. (Who knew a Mons dancer could be so cheap?) It turned me on so much I immediately shot another little glob into her open mouth, which she also ate. God I love this hobby. :)

Just my $0.02. Be safe.

Member #4074
05-09-05, 15:06
There's a sting at the corner of Fairbanks and Nebraska this afternoon. They usually last until 5 PM. Two undercover decoys are working it - one thick LEO wearing a jean skirt and another wearing a whilte t-shirt and shorts (blonde female). TPD did good this time around selecting two slutty-looking officers as their decoys. Stay clear of this corner.

Be safe out there!

Bit Banger
05-09-05, 17:21
In the past, I've seen reference to an LE site listing cases pending. I'd like to check up on an SRQ provider. PM or email if you'd prefer.

TIA - Bit

Chase Star
05-11-05, 13:06
Ahhhhh, how soon we forget.

Operation Flea Collar - - Spring 2002.

I don't know all the details, but after all the hoopla how many actual CONVICTIONS did Operation Flea Collar net (rather than just indictments and headlines). As far as I can tell, the other board involved is as much of a "Big Dog" as ever. For that matter, in all the time we've been posting fairly explicit details here, does anyone know of ANY arrests that arose from information gathered here (of course, thats not to say it couldnever happen).

As has been pointed out, the police are already out on the street 24/7 and already have at least as good a knowledge of who's working what corner as any of us. They don't need to come here for intel and they can't really use our hearsay "testimony" in court. To the extent they attempt to use it the technical and legal hurdles may make it too impractical, which was probably why the prosecution in the Flea Collar case was ultimately and much more quietly dropped.

They don't apparently use what we say about the on premises clubs against them either or we would be seeing more busts or even closures. Lipstixx has been up and running the way it has for years, with barely ever even a hicough, despite its frequent mention on this board. The case with the adult theatres is only slightly more questionable.

Escorts are in many ways the most vulnerable. It was them that were the target of the Flea Collar investigation. What happens with the escorts may occur below our radar, but I suspect others are right that the police don't bother with those unless there's a complaint by a neighbor or something and unless we give specific information as to their incall location is highly unlikely to originate from what we say here.

Drew Park
05-11-05, 19:42
I don't know all the details, but after all the hoopla how many actual CONVICTIONS did Operation Flea Collar net (rather than just indictments and headlines).You don't need a conviction to f*ck up good people's lives. That sorrid mess lingered in the courts for over a year. Some quality people were exposed and others had their personal lives torn asunder.

Drew

Tampa Monger
05-12-05, 00:07
I think the advantage we have here is that Jackson's board is based in Argentina. (Am I right on this?) The Argentinians aren't the prudes the Americans are. I don't think this puts the board completely out of LE's reach, but it makes it much more complicated.

Incaller
05-12-05, 02:18
You don't need a conviction to f*ck up good people's lives. That sorrid mess lingered in the courts for over a year. Some quality people were exposed and others had their personal lives torn asunder.

DrewNot too mention good sources of fun disappearing, ie Lynn's Elites. Had alot more fun for the same price as stixx.

PC Bum
05-14-05, 13:10
Guys,
You might want to check out the Memphis board. Seems a local TV station caught wind of the this forum and did a huge story about it. They even went out looking for girls where the board said they would be. So be careful. For some of us it would suck more to be on the 6 pm news than to get to a ciatation.
Peace

Rev333
05-14-05, 18:29
found the article

http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=3321494&nav=3HvEZlwp

W Smithers
07-28-05, 06:32
I was cruising Nebraska this AM, and saw two TPD cruisers playing a new game. Heading north on Nebraska from Sligh, I noticed these two TPD cars pull up together behind each car on the road, stay there for about 30 seconds, then move up to the next car. They did this until they reached Busch, where they split, one going each direction.

They were making a real effort to be extremely obvious what they were doing. I don't know if they were actually pulling up license plate records for everyone who happens to be on the road, or just harrassing us. I do know that I have not seen this behavior from TPD before.

It was mildly unsettling, but I know they had no reason to nab me as I wasn't doing anything illegal. (That is unless we now need to prove why we are on a certain public road at a certain time.)

Has anyone else seen this going on?

Waylon

Gojoe
07-28-05, 09:34
Not in Tampa, but I have had them try to rattle my cage in O-town.

I think sometimes they just have nothing to do so they screw with people for fun.

Member #3330
08-24-05, 19:40
About a week ago I had this happen to me whereby one of "Tampa's Finest" pulled up right behind me on Nebraska and followed me at close range. I was doing nothing wrong. All I was doing was driving down a public street (often times my job requires that I work in that part of the town). I even slowed up a little. He stayed behind me until Fowler and than made a right at the Burger King on Fowler. You could tell that he definitely wanted me to know I was being followed. Just before me I also saw him pull up close to someone else and ride behind them. My guess is they are running plates (maybe) to see if anyone is driving on a suspended license.

Parker Ave
09-24-05, 22:56
The reason he didn't follow you past Fowler is that is city limits, HCSO takes over from there north. They love to swing U-turns and follow people, or pull out and follow someone they think "doesn't belong." Some people get overly nervous and do something dumb, then get a mirror full of blue and red lights.

I have been pulled over I can't count how many times around there and Hillsboro and Florida. The first few times it took some explaining. But now I carry property tax records and tell the Baptist Storm Trooper, "You're right this is a bad neighborhood, I am going to stop improving the Laundrymats and rentals we have back here."

If you are looking for trim during the day, go to Realtor.com, do a property search, and print up listings in the areas you plan to cruise. It is not illegal to search for potential rental properties to buy in the broad daylight. You can get away with the same early evening, "I was looking to see the neighborhood at night around the house(s) I am thinking of buying." They will tell you every call they have ever been on in that block, but if you are presentable and have nice enough a car it is sellable. Plus if you stamer up you can tell them "I am nervous, I never have contact with the police like this." It is NOT as believable at 300am.

My belief is next year the police will have to back off some. Raising gas price as compaired to last years budget, and a huge cut in federal money to come to pay for hurricane relief spells less cruisers on the streets.

Gojoe
09-25-05, 01:43
Can't you just be out for a ride anytime of night or day?

What I am asking is, do you have to tell them a story, can't you just say I like driving and wasting gas, that's what I do.

I am not being funny here, I realy want to know. Can they arrest you for driving with now where to go?

Parker Ave
09-25-05, 17:08
It is not against the law to drive around anytime....but if you don't have a "reason" for being where you are at prepare for a hard time from LE. When you see 3 cruisers around one car in a parking lot with the driver standing in front of one of the crusiers and 4 cops picking through the car, that is a guy who said he "is just out burning gas." You know and I know they need cause to search your car, but to HCSO and TPD bad neighborhood and a refusal to allow a search of a car is cause enough. If they find something like a roach or whatever they will let you fight the constitutionality of the search in court, and they get to book you into orient road jail wich never goes away, even if you beat whatever the charge is in court they will see forever on the computer that you were arrested in that area if you monger there again.

So the easiest way is be prepaired if you are stopped. There is no reason to worry if you are alone with no girl or no drugs. The worst they can do is issue you a traffic citation for the thing they pulled you over for. They need a reason to pull you over beside they have seen you drive by 3 times. Watch speed limit, lane changes, and stop signs on side streets. While working off 15th street on apartments I have been followed and stopped for "Stopping to foward of a stop line" at a red light, on Florida stopped for 43 in 40(they can't write a ticket, but can stop you), on Nebraska where it is all potholes and skinny for "touching the white stripe dividing lanes." Point being, if they want to stop you and see whats going on they will make something up (allthough I haven't been stopped down there in about a year, it used to be much worse when there were more ladies out 24 hours a day).

Being combative doesn't help. If you tell them they are a moron and had no real reason for stopping you they will call for back-up and make you go through 30 mins of hell before you walk away. But simple stuff like telling them "I just got off 275, wheres the walmart? I need a clean bathroom NOW" will knock them off their game of make this person confess to being the shooter on the grassy knoll.

Gojoe
09-26-05, 08:30
Thanks Parker Ave,

I realy did want an answer on this one. I have been pulled over for nothing a few times also. They will make something up for stopping you.

So Thanks for the ideas on things to say. I'm not good at free style BSing when put on the spot, I need a prepared speech ahead of time.

James Bomb
09-22-07, 21:45
I only say this because Florida will have the next two Super Bowls back to back. Tampa is first and then next year it’s Miami. So be prepared for the nasty LE antics and standard city council bullshit (remember the 6 foot rule) on ANY adult establishments.

Royalflush
11-01-07, 19:36
LE is using information from this site as well as Craigslist and other online forums to bust strip clubs as well as independents and customers. It's just the beginning, and this will only get worse until people smarten up. I've personally seen my favorite clubs up North get raided and shut down as a direct result of this forum.

LE can easily have all their recon work done for them by reading the details online. It's like stealing the play book from your competition.

Here's another scenario that is equally disturbing... I find a sleepy little club with some hot, Latina imports willing to do anything you want for the cost of dances. Someone on this site starts raving about it, naming names, quoting prices, giving blow by blow details. Next thing you know, horny guys are driving hundreds of miles just to go there. The parking lot is full day and night and fights break out, pissing off the neighbors. The neighbors complain. The cops have only to read back through the forum to get enough details and ask for certain girls. Then comes the raid. Club is shut down, the girls are out of a job, and no more fun.

Private messaging is the answer.


I don't think my e-mail address would be of much use to them. It's a Hotmail address that I use only for this site and all of the personal information in it is completely (and obviously) fake. I suppose it'd still be possible to trace me using IP address logs, etc., but they'd have to subpoena that from Microsoft (which owns Hotmail). That stuff is pretty transient and it's not likely they'd bother.

I understand your fears, but as a person who works in the IT industry, I can tell you that it's possible, but highly unlikely.

I could be wrong, even horribly wrong, but I don't think the forum is of much use to LE. The danger is that "concerned citizens" outraged by its existence would rouse the police to action. And that risk is the same whether we keep our posts terse and cryptic or long and explicit. So why not make them long and explicit? Otherwise, we might as well not post at all.

Oh, and by the way, I have assfucked a Mons dancer and then had her swallow my load out of a shotglass. Her name was not Katana (though it was similar) and it was over five years ago. I fucked her ass bareback, too. (Only bareback sex I've ever had with a hooker beyond BBBJs. I've tested negative since then many times, but I wouldn't do it again.) It did cost me $300, but you could bounce a quarter off that bubble-butt, so it was worth every penny and more. She did a slutty job of swallowing my load, too. Even licked the shotglass clean for the extra $20 I offered her. (Who knew a Mons dancer could be so cheap?) It turned me on so much I immediately shot another little glob into her open mouth, which she also ate. God I love this hobby. :)

Just my $0.02. Be safe.

SirLickaLot
04-28-08, 07:10
LEO is using The Hard Rock for busts.

Mike Wazowski
04-28-08, 20:36
LEO is using The Hard Rock for busts.

That would not hold up in court, seeing as the Hard Rock is not in the city of Tampa, not in Hillsborough County, not in the state of Florida and, in fact, is not in The United States of America.

Hard Rock sits on land belonging to the sovereign nation of The Seminole Tribe.

Any "crimes" committed there are the jurisdiction of the Seminole Tribe's own police (yes, they have them).

Tampa/Hillsborough County/Florida police have NO jurisdiction on an Indian reservation.

Anyone busted at the Hard Rock would only have to ask the judge to toss it out of court because no Florida court has the jurisdiction to hear a case based on a crime committed on an Indian reservation.

I, seriously, doubt that the Seminole Tribe - who owns the land, hotel and Hard Rock corporation AND pays the "local" police - would want to do any such thing to their guests.

So, if this is true, the Tampa police and/or Hillsborough County Sherif's Department are even MORE stupid than I have thought for several decades.

Hard Working 19
04-28-08, 22:10
That would not hold up in court, seeing as the Hard Rock is not in the city of Tampa, not in Hillsborough County, not in the state of Florida and, in fact, is not in The United States of America.

Hard Rock sits on land belonging to the sovereign nation of The Seminole Tribe.

Any "crimes" committed there are the jurisdiction of the Seminole Tribe's own police (yes, they have them).


The ladies were actually arrested by the Seminole Reservation Indian Police. See the HCSO web site for arrests on 4/27.

Thudpucker
04-28-08, 23:42
That would not hold up in court, seeing as the Hard Rock is not in the city of Tampa, not in Hillsborough County, not in the state of Florida and, in fact, is not in The United States of America.

Hard Rock sits on land belonging to the sovereign nation of The Seminole Tribe.

Any "crimes" committed there are the jurisdiction of the Seminole Tribe's own police (yes, they have them).

Tampa/Hillsborough County/Florida police have NO jurisdiction on an Indian reservation.I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that the sovereignty of Indian nations is quite limited -- yes they can have casinos, but only in states that have legalized gambling of some form, and yes they can sell alcohol and cigarettes without state taxes, but no, they can't run brothels or sell pot. A quick google search yielded the following Florida statute:

section 285.16, Florida Statutes provides:

"(1) The State of Florida hereby assumes jurisdiction over criminal offenses committed by or against Indians or other persons within Indians reservations and over civil causes of actions between Indians or other persons or to which Indians or other persons are parties rising within Indian reservations."

Most likely an occasional token gesture must be made to maintain the appearance of abiding by local 'morals' so there isn't public outrage.

Not bad looking girls by the way. Wonder what the rates are?

Mike Wazowski
04-29-08, 00:52
The ladies were actually arrested by the Seminole Reservation Indian Police. See the HCSO web site for arrests on 4/27.

Okay, that makes total sense. "LEO is using the Hard Rock for busts," made no sense, what so ever.

Looking at the arrests, these were all post-midnight Saturday night into Sunday morning. Hard Rock is packed with after-hours drinkers on the weekends. Girls work the bars and slots, looking to pick up "dates."

If they are being flagrant about it or if someone decides to complain about it, yeah, the casino is going to have them arrested. Just like they do in Las Vegas when the bar girls are getting out of hand and feeling bullet-proof.

The original post made it out like TPD or HCSO were using the hotel to set up stings, which can not happen. Considering the audience of this forum, it made it sound like a warning to us mongers that they were busting GUYS in the hotel. Big difference between "LEO using" a place for busts and management getting noisy, ugly girls that don't understand the concept of "low key" out of their guests' hair.

Notice that the three arrested weren't exactly beauty queens. Hell, if I was sitting in a casino, playing slots and some beast started hitting me up for a "date" I'd probably ask someone to have them removed.

SirLickaLot
04-30-08, 08:49
SRIP busts at Hard Rock. Which is still LEO. Didn't have the time to post it all or the link. Didn't say Providers or Mongers. Thought someone on here might like to know about it just to be safe. I said Busts not Stings. But, I was told the Providers were called to the Hotel.

To me, a Bust is a Bust until you get to Double Ds. lol

Sorry, next time I'll wait until I have more time.


Okay, that makes total sense. "LEO is using the Hard Rock for busts, " made no sense, what so ever.

Looking at the arrests, these were all post-midnight Saturday night into Sunday morning. Hard Rock is packed with after-hours drinkers on the weekends. Girls work the bars and slots, looking to pick up "dates. "

If they are being flagrant about it or if someone decides to complain about it, yeah, the casino is going to have them arrested. Just like they do in Las Vegas when the bar girls are getting out of hand and feeling bullet-proof.

The original post made it out like TPD or HCSO were using the hotel to set up stings, which can not happen. Considering the audience of this forum, it made it sound like a warning to us mongers that they were busting GUYS in the hotel. Big difference between "LEO using" a place for busts and management getting noisy, ugly girls that don't understand the concept of "low key" out of their guests' hair.

Notice that the three arrested weren't exactly beauty queens. Hell, if I was sitting in a casino, playing slots and some beast started hitting me up for a "date" I'd probably ask someone to have them removed.

Mike Wazowski
05-01-08, 14:49
SRIP busts at Hard Rock. Which is still LEO. Didn't have the time to post it all or the link. Didn't say Providers or Mongers. Thought someone on here might like to know about it just to be safe. I said Busts not Stings. But, I was told the Providers were called to the Hotel.

To me, a Bust is a Bust until you get to Double Ds. lol

Sorry, next time I'll wait until I have more time.

Trust your friend, Mr. Wazowski, on this one, as he has much inside information as to the operations of casinos... A casino, on reservation land, with police paid for by the tribe is not going to be calling escorts in to bust them.

They WILL get rid of the girls wandering the casino who don't grasp the meaning of the word "subtle."

Annofass Inch
06-02-08, 10:47
Is there a law in affect saying that Prostitutes caught more than twice has to register as a sex offender. I heard it was passed as of next week.

Prof Self Help
12-04-08, 21:14
I find our obsessive anti-prostitute stance rather puzzling. Prostitutes provide a service that a wife also provides. No difference there. Prostitutes take money. Ofcourse they will take money (wife takes money too by the way. Only later). Sex is their only job. So they have to take money for survival.

Besides, in society, we don't HAVE OUR OWN PERSONAL doctors, nurse, lawyers, barbers, plumbers (now that would be prohibitive). The same nurse provides service to many patients. But if a patient is very sick and requires constant help, then that patient has a nurse of his own. Why is it not so about sex. I have no idea.

People who want to have sex only in a loving relationship, are still free to do so. People who want to have sex with the idea of procreating and bringing up a child, are still free to do so. Here again, do we need more human beings in this world? We can't feed the ones we have, we can't provide jobs to the ones we have, yet we continue to encourage procreation blindly.

When will we become logical society. Who knows.

J Melbourne27
12-13-08, 04:17
Crikey! I'd like to know how you got a Mons Dancer to do that? Was she young and sexy? Someone needs to publish a book about getting strippers to go home with you. There are a few clubs in Tampa where the girls will give you limited services, but THAT is like PornStar level service.


I don't think my e-mail address would be of much use to them. It's a Hotmail address that I use only for this site and all of the personal information in it is completely (and obviously) fake. I suppose it'd still be possible to trace me using IP address logs, etc., but they'd have to subpoena that from Microsoft (which owns Hotmail). That stuff is pretty transient and it's not likely they'd bother.

I understand your fears, but as a person who works in the IT industry, I can tell you that it's possible, but highly unlikely.

I could be wrong, even horribly wrong, but I don't think the forum is of much use to LE. The danger is that "concerned citizens" outraged by its existence would rouse the police to action. And that risk is the same whether we keep our posts terse and cryptic or long and explicit. So why not make them long and explicit? Otherwise, we might as well not post at all.

Oh, and by the way, I have assfucked a Mons dancer and then had her swallow my load out of a shotglass. Her name was not Katana (though it was similar) and it was over five years ago. I fucked her ass bareback, too. (Only bareback sex I've ever had with a hooker beyond BBBJs. I've tested negative since then many times, but I wouldn't do it again.) It did cost me $300, but you could bounce a quarter off that bubble-butt, so it was worth every penny and more. She did a slutty job of swallowing my load, too. Even licked the shotglass clean for the extra $20 I offered her. (Who knew a Mons dancer could be so cheap?) It turned me on so much I immediately shot another little glob into her open mouth, which she also ate. God I love this hobby. :)

Just my $0.02. Be safe.

J Melbourne27
12-13-08, 04:20
There are a lot of ways to trace stuff, but you are right, they won't go after Jackson's server, although they might try to go after Jackson if he lives in America, and as far as the EMail tracing, I HIGHLY doubt Microsoft OR Google (or any other big company for that matter) will give up the identity of their email ppl without a Long drawn out fight because how many of their EMPLOYEES (Maybe even EXECUTIVES) would eventually be caught in the nets.


I often worry that LE (or any other LE agency) will find a way to trace our screen names to our e-mail addresses then to us. I, for one, besides my S.O. knowing, cannot have the people I work with know about my hobby. It's like another life for most of us. Due to my position and the nature of my job, I am putting my faith that Jackson (being in Argentina) will not release our ISP's to any of these agencies. I think that's one of the reasons why he upgraded his server in the first place.

Anyway, sorry about the redirection....just wanna share my 10 pesos worth.

Legalize it
12-23-08, 00:22
I have a question for the group. I've had a couple of near meetings with uncle LEO after leaving an AMP or lingerie shop. I haven't got in trouble yet, but I'm a little nervous about what I should say if I get stopped and he starts asking me a lot of questions like "What are you doing in a place known for prostitution?" or "You have no good reason for being here" etc. What should I say if uncle LEO starts demanding answers or threatens me after I leave?

Hargow20
12-23-08, 01:51
If a cop stops and questions you say nothing and exercise your right to remain silent. Unless actually saw act of prostitution occur he has no evidence.

Nemodc
12-23-08, 02:07
first question would be (all wide eyed and innocent) if its a place known for prostitution, why don't you and some of your cop buddies go arrest them.

I gave that answer once to the question-- what are you doing in an area known for drugs and prostitution at this time of night? (this was in dc suburbs) The officer got a blank look on his face, and without another word handed me back my license and registration, turned, walked back to his car and left.

To the second question, I would answer, I did not know I needed a reason to be anywhere, OR Rand McNally (the map company) said everyone has to be somewhere, I choose to be here.

Nemo

R Consultant
12-23-08, 02:19
If I can post the link or anyone wants it I will send it to them. Otherwise heres a copy and paste version of the best advice I know to give anyone.

To fight police abuse effectively you need to know your rights. There are some things you should do, some things you must do and some things you cannot do. If you are in the middle of a police encounter, you need a handy and quick reference to remind you what your rights and obligations are.

That's why the ACLU is making these tips available as a downloadable .pdf file. You can photocopy this and carry it in your wallet, pocket or glove compartment to give you quick access to your rights and obligations concerning police encounters.

* ACLU "Bustcard". Pocket Guidelines on Encounters with the Police.
* Complete instructions for printing the bustcard, and other resources on police reform are also available.

* Be polite and respectful. Never bad-mouth a police officer.
* Stay calm and in control of your words, body language and emotions.
* Don't get into an argument with the police.
* Remember, anything you say or do can be used against you.
* Keep your hands where the police can see them.
* Don't run. Don't touch any police officer.
* Don't resist even if you believe you are innocent.
* Don't complain on the scene or tell the police they're wrong or that you're going to file a complaint.
* Do not make any statements regarding the incident. Ask for a lawyer immediately upon your arrest.
* Remember officers' badge & patrol car numbers.
* Write down everything you remember ASAP.
* Try to find witnesses & their names & phone numbers.
* If you are injured, take photographs of the injuries as soon as possible, but make sure you seek medical attention first.
* If you feel your rights have been violated, file a written complaint with police department's internal affairs division or civilian complaint board.

1. What you say to the police is always important. What you say can be used against you, and it can give the police an excuse to arrest you, especially if you bad-mouth a police officer.
2. You don't have to answer a police officer's questions, but you must show your driver's license and registration when stopped in a car. In other situations, you can't legally be arrested for refusing to identify yourself to a police officer.
3. You don't have to consent to any search of yourself, your car or your house. If you DO consent to a search, it can affect your rights later in court. If the police say they have a search warrant, ASK TO SEE IT.
4. Do not interfere with, or obstruct the police -- you can be arrested for it.

If You Are Stopped For Questioning

1. It's not a crime to refuse to answer questions, but refusing to answer can make the police suspicious about you. You can't be arrested merely for refusing to identify yourself on the street.
2. Police may "pat-down" your clothing if they suspect a concealed weapon. Don't physically resist, but make it clear that you don't consent to any further search.
3. Ask if you are under arrest. If you are, you have a right to know why.
4. Don't bad-mouth the police officer or run away, even if you believe what is happening is unreasonable. That could lead to your arrest.

If You're Stopped In Your Car

1. Upon request, show them your driver's license, registration, and proof of insurance. In certain cases, your car can be searched without a warrant as long as the police have probable cause. To protect yourself later, you should make it clear that you do not consent to a search. It is not lawful for police to arrest you simply for refusing to consent to a search.
2. If you're given a ticket, you should sign it; otherwise you can be arrested. You can always fight the case in court later.
3. If you're suspected of drunk driving (DWI) and refuse to take a blood, urine or breath test, your driver's license may be suspended.

If You're Arrested Or Taken To A Police Station

1. You have the right to remain silent and to talk to a lawyer before you talk to the police. Tell the police nothing except your name and address. Don't give any explanations, excuses or stories. You can make your defense later, in court, based on what you and your lawyer decide is best.
2. Ask to see a lawyer immediately. If you can't pay for a lawyer, you have a right to a free one, and should ask the police how the lawyer can be contacted. Don't say anything without a lawyer.
3. Within a reasonable time after your arrest, or booking, you have the right to make a local phone call: to a lawyer, bail bondsman, a relative or any other person. The police may not listen to the call to the lawyer.
4. Sometimes you can be released without bail, or have bail lowered. Have your lawyer ask the judge about this possibility. You must be taken before the judge on the next court day after arrest.
5. Do not make any decisions in your case until you have talked with a lawyer.

In Your Home

1. If the police knock and ask to enter your home, you don't have to admit them unless they have a warrant signed by a judge.
2. However, in some emergency situations (like when a person is screaming for help inside, or when the police are chasing someone) officers are allowed to enter and search your home without a warrant.
3. If you are arrested, the police can search you and the area close by. If you are in a building, "close by" usually means just the room you are in.

We all recognize the need for effective law enforcement, but we should also understand our own rights and responsibilities -- especially in our relationships with the police. Everyone, including minors, has the right to courteous and respectful police treatment.

If your rights are violated, don't try to deal with the situation at the scene. You can discuss the matter with an attorney afterwards, or file a complaint with the Internal Affairs or Civilian Complaint Board.

Produced by the American Civil Liberties Union.
Copyright 1998, The American Civil Liberties Union [

QUOTE=Legalize it]I have a question for the group. I've had a couple of near meetings with uncle LEO after leaving an AMP or lingerie shop. I haven't got in trouble yet, but I'm a little nervous about what I should say if I get stopped and he starts asking me a lot of questions like "What are you doing in a place known for prostitution?" or "You have no good reason for being here" etc. What should I say if uncle LEO starts demanding answers or threatens me after I leave?[/QUOTE]


Happy Hunting..

IrishMale
01-26-09, 19:15
News Channel 8 announced tonight that 2 men have been arrested for soliciting. They also said police have noticed an uptick in working women and know they will go to cities where large events are held. The report did not say if the men were caught in a sting by decoys but did make it clear they are on the prowl. Just a word to the wise.

Member #4558
01-26-09, 20:39
... police have noticed an uptick in working women and know they will go to cities where large events are held.

We should let LEO work on fixing the state's budget problems. If they are smart enough to figure this out all by themselves, they can certainly fix our economic woes!

Saying that hos is drawn to large events is like saying cops are drawn to doughnut shops.

Nemodc
01-27-09, 00:44
Channel 8, 13 hobby related arrests in Drew Park today. Light research shows this:

09004882-- Unknown

09004968-- Cassidy

09004970-- Yokohama

09004971-- Yokohama

09004979-- No Pic

and about 8 men for soliciting.

Lets be careful out there.

Nemo

Oldcenturion
01-27-09, 01:30
I can't recall which TV news I heard this on today but they mentioned that the LEO units would be using "attractive decoys" during night actions. They interviewed a rather gruff looking LEO captian who stated they have noticed a big increase in Craigs List ads and would take action.

Stay safe out there guys.

Regards, the Old Centurion

Nemodc
01-27-09, 17:29
any relation to the subject of that old (late 60s) movie the Blue Centurion. No not the Blue Knight, that was different movie.

Nemo

Atl Guy
01-27-09, 17:32
I can't recall which TV news I heard this on today but they mentioned that the LEO units would be using "attractive decoys" during night actions. They interviewed a rather gruff looking LEO captian who stated they have noticed a big increase in Craigs List ads and would take action.

Stay safe out there guys.

Regards, the Old CenturionStick with what/who you know. Now is not the time to expand your mongering horizons.

Drew Park
01-27-09, 19:01
any relation to the subject of that old (late 60s) movie the Blue Centurion. No not the Blue Knight, that was different movie.
Nemo

Nah, Old Centurion is an old friend, and well qualified to be a Senior Member here.

Suncoastplayer
01-27-09, 19:41
It looks like LEO must have found a nice hotel room and started making "appointments" at the above location. Most of the ladies busted there advertise their relaxation skills. Some keepers out there.

Stay safe. I would try to warn some of the ladies but they can be hardheaded with so much cash floating around town.

Olds Man
01-27-09, 22:14
Channel 8, 13 hobby related arrests in Drew Park today. Light research shows this:

09004882-- Unknown

09004968-- Cassidy

09004970-- Yokohama

09004971-- Yokohama

09004979-- No Pic

and about 8 men for soliciting.

Lets be careful out there.

Nemo

Darn...Cassidy sure doesn't look nearly as cute in this picture as compared to he CL posts...

Big Tommy
01-27-09, 22:23
Channel 8, 13 hobby related arrests in Drew Park today. Light research shows this:

09004882-- Unknown

09004968-- Cassidy

09004970-- Yokohama

09004971-- Yokohama

09004979-- No Pic

and about 8 men for soliciting.

Lets be careful out there.

Nemo

I am not sure where to do the "light search" Is this the Cassidy who is always running ads on C/L? Thanks for the information looks like they are real busy over there with the big game. Guess I will stay in O-Town till it settles down over there.

T

Nemodc
01-27-09, 23:05
busting a chop or two.

Nemo





Nah, Old Centurion is an old friend, and well qualified to be a Senior Member here.

Aesder
01-28-09, 00:16
Channel 8, 13 hobby related arrests in Drew Park today. Light research shows this:
09004971-- Yokohama
Nemo

Dang...that's Suzy.

Baquerito
01-28-09, 00:39
Darn...Cassidy sure doesn't look nearly as cute in this picture as compared to he CL posts...At least now we know it is actually her on her photos; SHE'S HOT, can't wait till she's out to see her; though any comments about her perfomance would be appreciated.

Later

Eye Myt
01-28-09, 10:30
09004882-- Unknown

This might be Craiglist's Amy....only off by 9 years and 30 pounds.

check the 2 pics and see if you agree.

Vice Squadron
01-28-09, 13:25
Hey guys been a long time browser of the forums.

Does anybody know Paris, I think she's at the dollhouse.

HCSO #09005024

Gatordun
01-29-09, 09:24
I guess this report tells us that Cassidy isnt 18 as she states in her ads. Birthday is 04/07/86 so shes about to turn 22


Channel 8, 13 hobby related arrests in Drew Park today. Light research shows this:

09004882-- Unknown

09004968-- Cassidy

09004970-- Yokohama

09004971-- Yokohama

09004979-- No Pic

and about 8 men for soliciting.

Lets be careful out there.

Nemo

Happy Man
01-29-09, 11:39
I guess this report tells us that Cassidy isnt 18 as she states in her ads. Birthday is 04/07/86 so shes about to turn 22If you look even further into LEO busts in Hills Co for the past few days there are a number of other well known providers that were busted as well.

Oldcenturion
01-29-09, 21:28
Looks like LEO is getting busy during Super Bowl Week.

From the Smoking Gun web site with 19 pictures.

"Super Bowl XIX

Tampa crackdown already nets 19 women on prostitution charges

JANUARY 28--Since it is Super Bowl week in Tampa, the local cops are cracking down on hookers working from area hotels, street corners, private residences, and massage parlors. As is customary in the days before football's championship game, police have been rounding up women on prostitution charges, lest they supposedly cash in on the influx of out-of-town pigskin fans. As seen on the following pages, 19 suspects-aged 19 to 53--have been nabbed since Monday, with each arrestee posing for a mug shot at the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office. (19 pages)"

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0128091tampa1.html

Stay safe out there Guys.

Regards, the Old Centurion

Nemodc
01-30-09, 00:57
my last post here.

Light research results for 1-28/29-09

09005274-- No AKA listed

09005275-- No AKA listed-- Imho-- Kinda cute

09005452-- Cammy

09005453-- No AKA listed

09005454-- Kiera My type

09005268-- Rere

09005504-- China

09005506-- Glitter

09005507-- Marissa

09005512-- Michelle??? from CL pics and memory

09005513-- No AKA listed-- but kinda cute

09005514-- No AKA listed-- but kinda cute

09005635-- Tranny, no photo

09005497-- Tranny


searchable

hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/Online/sname01


by using the numbers in section 2

copy and paste address into browser, copy and paste numbers into box

Nemo

ps- guess you know my preferences now

Nemodc
01-30-09, 02:59
from the 27th.

09005150-- Jenna (looks like JannaJones to me)???

09005151-- Possibly Tampa bad wife AKA NaughtyLisa???

09005201-- Sara

09005221-- No AKA listed but dam cute

09005222-- No AKA listed but dam cute again

09005242-- No AKA listed

09005243-- No AKA listed

That appears to be the 19 plus 2 trannys.

Nemo

Chase Star
01-30-09, 03:50
Not a prostitution bust, but one very popular provider that has been temporarily taken off the market: 09005025

BTW, I like the new practice of posting the booking numbers rather than the names. Its marginally less humiliating for the girls than reposting their full names, but it still serves the same function for us. Perhaps it amounts to the almost same thing since it still makes it easy to look up their pics and names on the HCSO website, but I know I'd still certainly prefer that if I were them.

Member #4558
01-30-09, 08:35
from the 27th.

09005150-- Jenna (looks like JannaJones to me)???

09005151-- Possibly Tampa bad wife AKA NaughtyLisa???

Nemo

Yes on both counts I do believe. Janna looks pretty rough in her pic but I'm pretty sure that is her. No mistaking that pic for for the Tampa Bad wife. They advertise as going doubles together and they were both arrested at the same location so logic dictates that is them.

G Money Cool
01-30-09, 09:13
Not a prostitution bust, but one very popular provider that has been temporarily taken off the market: 09005025

BTW, I like the new practice of posting the booking numbers rather than the names. Its marginally less humiliating for the girls than reposting their full names, but it still serves the same function for us. Perhaps it amounts to the almost same thing since it still makes it easy to look up their pics and names on the HCSO website, but I know I'd still certainly prefer that if I were them.Chase - if you scroll through it all, looks like she was charged with prostitution on 1/27, then a bunch of drug charges and obstruction on 1/29. Not sure how that happens - could she have gotten out after the prostitution and then got popped for the drugs?

Talk about a bad week.

Happy Man
01-30-09, 11:28
Yes on both counts I do believe. Janna looks pretty rough in her pic but I'm pretty sure that is her. No mistaking that pic for for the Tampa Bad wife. They advertise as going doubles together and they were both arrested at the same location so logic dictates that is them.I believe your right, thats what I thought when I posted the earlier comment.

Whorehound38
01-30-09, 14:54
Apologies if this has already been posted. I saw this and thought someone from Tampa might be interested.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0128091tampa1.html

Brazil Mambo
01-30-09, 15:02
She is cute...

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art4/0128091tampa2.jpg

R Consultant
01-30-09, 15:23
I think if number 4 with that country accent she has from Tennessee she would be a bronco bucking good time.

Yippee-Yayaaaaa... I'm sure shes in a pissed off mood now though....

Happy Hunting..



Apologies if this has already been posted. I saw this and thought someone from Tampa might be interested.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0128091tampa1.html

Chase Star
01-30-09, 15:41
She is cute...

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art4/0128091tampa2.jpgThat is the famous Miko of CL fame (very positive reviews). I hope she has someone to take care of her newborn while she's in jail. See my and G Money's posts a little earlier in this thread.

Prettymuggshot
01-30-09, 18:34
That's one bunch of fugly ho's

Member #6210
02-01-09, 02:12
Sting and the Police are doing shows all over Tampa tonight. I'd suggest staying at home and catching the recaps on the news in the morning.

Dickchainy
02-01-09, 14:56
Sting and the Police are doing shows all over Tampa tonight. I'd suggest staying at home and catching the recaps on the news in the morning.I saw no ladies out between 3:00 am and 4:00 am on NE North of Flower.
No SW arrests last night in HCSO home, either.

They know enough to stay inside when Leo focuses on John.

G Money Cool
02-04-09, 16:41
Yes on both counts I do believe. Janna looks pretty rough in her pic but I'm pretty sure that is her. No mistaking that pic for for the Tampa Bad wife. They advertise as going doubles together and they were both arrested at the same location so logic dictates that is them.I noticed Janna had updated pics and is showing up on the "What's New" section of Eros this week.

Asock Fan
04-18-11, 18:28
Silver sedan dark tint black stock rims with no hubcaps north Tampa south of Fowler.

Polkeyes
04-18-11, 18:32
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/polk/dozens-arrested-in-prostitution-sting-04182011

Polkeyes
04-18-11, 18:35
http://www.scribd.com/doc/53285474/Operation-Curtain-Call-Suspect-Photos

Member #4572
08-12-11, 06:21
Traveling our local Tampa map on the hunt, I noticed a silver Dodge Charger completely stock but with the added light package in the grill and back window driving around like a monger. I've also seen a black Ford (I think) pickup truck on the Cross Town with the standard incognito light package. Moral of the story, watch all vehicles when giving these ladies a ride.

Nowatney
08-17-12, 15:21
I'm not going to comment on what I saw. These are just pictures that is all. Freedom of speech.

Nowatney
08-17-12, 15:30
I have no comment.

Selective Pete
10-17-12, 15:09
I'm not going to comment on what I saw. These are just pictures that is all. Freedom of speech.Thank YOU! That Flex was parked out in front of my Office one day a while back. I thought it was something else. Now I know.

PandaSoldier
11-22-12, 01:08
Didn't know they were over in citrus area. But there's one black SUV sitting at the storage lock up next to the racetrack gas station in Gunn Highway with Linebough, Noticed him there between 6pm till morning (don't see him there after 8am) , first noticed him when I walked past him at 1am when I went to grab some snacks. I have yet to go to the gas station without noticing him sitting in the same parking lot.

L Spooner
11-05-13, 07:01
Sweep: 3 days ago in area of Haven and El Rancho on Neb.

Stings: Yesterday and day before. Same area as above and at Jayhawk on Neb. S of Hills.