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Islay
04-23-05, 00:01
I'll try to start a new thread about the Bloomington Amps. I'll start with a physical description of the amps and we can go from there. Opinions on the amps and additions to the descriptions are welcome. Remember we make this board what it is. We may want to keep the new reports on the girls in the "Reports" thread, but we'll see how it goes.

Islay
04-23-05, 00:22
First up is Tokyo Spa. Located on the far left corner of the strip mall next to K-mart. To get here, take Veterans to Empire and turn west towards the mall, K-mart and Circuit City. Take a right at the stoplight near the McDonalds and another quick right onto the frontage road that runs in front of McD's. Follow the curve to the strip mall entrance sign or to Schlotzky's and take the left. The mall is two brown brick buildings, Tokyo is to the far left when you are facing the stores.

Tokyo's hours are 9am to 10pm, the address and phone can be found in the newspaper or the phone book. When the Open light's on, your welcome to come in. Through the first door is what looks like a waiting room, though I've never waited. Ring the door bell and wait. Either the mamasan or a girl will greet you. If it's the mamasan it's either you ask for a specific girl (preferably one she knows you've been with) or it's a crap shoot. If a girl greets you, that's most likely your girl unless you ask for another.

Tokyo's walls do not reach the ceiling, which is something I've always had a problem with. I don't like to hear other guys, though the girls are always pleasant to the ears. The girls waiting/bedroom is first on the left, curtained off. You'll be escorted to a room either on the left or right. It seems that when two girls are working, they stick to either the right or left side, as though they have territory. The spa, and the rooms are adequately if dimmly lit, and generally it's a no frill place. Your standard amp. One note is that the left side has the mirrors while the right side does not. I always like the mirrors, but beggars can't be choosers. The rooms are tight, barely enough space to fit a small nightstand, a folding chair and the probably almost 5 foot long table. There's a small sauna which again you can't really lie down on unless you bend your legs, so I usually just sit. The spa offers a full service table shower where the girl soaps and washes and drys you off. In the back is...the back room. Just the bathroom and a small kitchen for the girls lunch. That about does it for the description of the Tokyo Spa.

Islay
04-23-05, 00:41
Sunshine is tucked away in a Morton building on Gill Street. Take Veterans and go east on GE road. Take a right on Airport road and then another right onto Gill street. The spa is on the left in one of the big blue Morton buildings. There is a sign by the street with all the businesses on it, when you see Sunshine spa, turn left there. Sunshine is tucked all the way in the back left of the parking lot.

I can't remember the hours but I'd guess they are the same as Tokyo's. I'll be lazy and copy my previous description of the Sunshine spa. I like its location, off the main roads and tucked away in the back of a series of buildings. One thing I didn't like was that you ring in at the front door. Other amps like Tokyo and the ones in Decatur have a smaller room you walk into initially. I don't like to stand out in front for the minute or two while I'm waiting to be greeted. The upside to this is that when you walk in, the place looks really nice. I felt like I was walking into a nicer asian restaurant, there was a nice little living room type set up with a big screen in the front room, a nice decor in general. The rooms as far as I saw are huge, the one I was led into looked like it had a personal shower (didn't use it however). The rooms reminded me slightly of those at the Peking in NW Indy. The walls were decorated nicely, though there wasn't any hangers to put your clothes on. The massage table was actually long enough to accomodate my frame, a feat I've never experienced at an amp. If you've been to Tokyo, the rooms on the left side are so cramped that the tables are basically tucked between the two walls (not that bad but close). Sunshines rooms have enough space to accomadate two even three tables. One of the decorative tables carried something that at first I thought was an air purifier, then a stereo, then an I don’t know what.

Down the hall further there are more rooms and on the right is the shower room. Another table shower where the girls wash you up. The room is again large, the table shower is in it's own room inside the shower room. There is a I guess sauna in the back of this room, but it's fairly tiny. I've never used it. That's about it.

Islay
04-23-05, 00:45
Well I'm not the best person to give a description, but I'll start one.

Golden is located on Fort Jesse Road. From Veteran's go west on Fort Jesse. Golden is on the left, just before the road goes from two lanes to one. There is a big sign right next to the road, so really you can't miss it.

This is another spa where you ring the bell outside. Inside it's another standard amp. When I was last there it was a stand up shower, I'm not sure if that's changed or not. The rooms are slightly larger than Tokyo's, which is a plus. That's all I can remember, any want to add or correct?

Bee Sure Man
04-25-05, 00:13
I stopeed at Tokyo Spa several months ago and had one hour session. The rooms were small and no table shower was provided as it is in many Amps. The session was satisfactory although not nearly as stimulating as I have received any many Amps. As I recall the session was also somewhat rushed.

I would like to try one of the others in Bloomington probably Sunshine since I know its location. How are session at the other two Amps and are table showers provided?

BSM

Islay
04-26-05, 01:24
Tokyo and Sunshine both provide table showers, unless you opt to pass. I've not been to either amp at a time where I wasn't offered the shower. Being rushed at any amp has a lot to due with the time of day and how busy they are at the time. These are two girl amps so they have to get them in and out fairly quickly during busy times.

Sunshine is a fine time, though with the right girl at Tokyo I've had better times. Give Sunshine a try and let us know what you think. I've got little experience with Golden, but they've been open almost two years so they do something right.

Greg Carter
05-06-05, 15:27
This is not a post to expose names, but a post that attempts to understand them. I came to realize today that i have met more AMP ladies named "Young" than any other name on a "first time" visit. I wonder if it is because i look young and it is a way of determining that "I have been there before". That is, i could say yes i have been here before and just throw out a name and they would have to trust me. However, if i were to throw out a name that could describe me, that would be a signal to them that indeed the provider provided me with a code word to use when i come back next time. Examples?

Young = young looking guy
Mimi (Me Me) = guy that is somewhat self centered
Penny = guy is cheap
Yummy = attractive guy

I have yet to have one tell me that her name is Enormous Johnson

Play safe- and laugh a bit will ya?,

Greg

Ci-Traveler
05-17-05, 08:57
I stopeed at Tokyo Spa several months ago and had one hour session. The rooms were small and no table shower was provided as it is in many Amps. The session was satisfactory although not nearly as stimulating as I have received any many Amps. As I recall the session was also somewhat rushed.

I would like to try one of the others in Bloomington probably Sunshine since I know its location. How are session at the other two Amps and are table showers provided?

BSM

Been a long time since I posted anything. I was given the new address by a fellow member - and I'm finally finding the WSG as I remember it. Nice to see all the familiar tags.......

To respond to the above:

I have been to Golden Spa 5 times over the past three years. Not once was it a good experience - just awful. .6 at the door, and, if anything was even offered, it was .4 more than Tokyo or Sunshine. If anyone has anything new that contradicts - please - post - I would love to see that place change!

Sunshine Spa is run by Sun, the former worker at Hawiian in Decatur. Her body is as amazing as ever, but she is beginning to show her age in the face. When I was last there, it was rushed - but admittidly, I only paid the 30 minute fee and $ for everything. If I had paid the hour fee - I think it would have been fine. Sun has always allowed me to pay the same fee - I guess because we have seen each other so many times. However, the other girls she hires (and there have been several in the last year - all not very good) will try to upsell - and in some cases, they get pouty when I haven't budged on the price. It sometimes negatively affects the session.

Tokyo is still my favorite - I still get the best experience here. However, they now charge .6 door fee only - no choice. They have also allowed me to continue with $ for everything - but I know that they are asking for more from others. I have always been offered a table shower - and the shower is always pretty good. Mimi/Sara (she goes by both names) - a 38ish, really fit and attractive provider - has been there for quite awhile now. I believe she just left for a two week vacation - but she said she will return. She is amazing - and the table shower is quite nice - lots of time spent getting you ready for the massage............. The other girl who has been there for the last couple of weeks, don't know her name, isn't my type - but I would be interested in a report.

Hope this helps guys. Glad to have found the board.

ci-traveler

Voodoo Chile
06-03-05, 20:03
Gentlemen,

For those of you who remember Penny from Tokyo, I have an update. She is now working at Joejin Spa in Danville. She is a regular massage girl, and not acting as the mamasan, as she did most of the time at Tokyo. Have visited there twice lately, and she has answered the door both times. She looks great, by the way. If you ever wanted to have a session with her, now is your chance.

Voodoo

AtomikA
06-05-05, 01:33
Great job on descriptions of the place but what happens? Is it gfe or just massage?

Any details?

Thanks

Ci-Traveler
06-05-05, 12:45
Great job on descriptions of the place but what happens? Is it gfe or just massage?

Any details?

Thanks

Very safe. You can either lay all of the $.6 on the girl when you arrive - insuring no problems, or you can leave $ on the table after the shower. She'll understand.

Not usually a GFE - but it is full service. (DTK)

Ci-traveler

Flashman
06-08-05, 14:00
Returned to Bloomington a few times lately and visited both AMP's.

At Tokyo saw Sugar who was a solid 9 in looks, but only a 5 or 6 for service. I would not see her again.

Better luck at Sunshine, with 1 hit and 1 miss. The miss was someone with the weird name of Bloomingdale. Great table shower, including the use of the "fog/steam shower gun", but a real pain in the ass, hard up-sale, for what turned out to be very mediocre service.

The hit was with Sun the Sunshine mamasan who provided a great time. I am really a fan of mamasan action and this was one of the best I have had. No upsale at all. I took the full hour and just laid down the full amount on the table at the start.

Footluvr
07-09-05, 15:13
I also just returned from a nice visit of both.

I was only going to choose one, Based on my call and request the day before my visit, I decided to go to Tokyo. After asking to see a different girl, who has what I requested. (Painted toes and Sexy Heels) I got an okay service.

She wanted a lot of chang. I am pretty experienced in gettting a better price for I got the lowest price. full serve was okay. Not my best.

Later that day I wanted to know if Sunshine was better. So I went there. The lady was much better. Looking, full serve, painted toes, sexy heels, and the Body shampooo was better.

Good Luck out there [Email Address deleted by Admin]

Footluvr

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Islay
07-14-05, 23:28
My last trip to Tokyo was with Rose, I believe I made a description on the 2005 reports. Again an average experience.

Here's to hoping someone new drops into town. About around this time last year Mimi and Penny started working...

Ci-Traveler
07-16-05, 20:38
My last trip to Tokyo was with Rose, I believe I made a description on the 2005 reports. Again an average experience.

Here's to hoping someone new drops into town. About around this time last year Mimi and Penny started working...

My experience was the opposite last week. I visited and saw Rose - a 35ish or older Korean Lady - nice body, better than average face. I had a great time. For $.6, I did every position, DATY (she came twice), and had one of the best lays ever.

Would go back if I had the $ which I do not right now.

Still looking for the young blonde chick on Market. I think it's a myth !!!!

ci-traveler

Islay
07-19-05, 23:43
YMMV was kind to you, Traveler. I wasn't impressed, but I still have memories of Connie and Penny, maybe I'm critiquing too harsh.

Ci-Traveler
07-20-05, 08:39
YMMV was kind to you, Traveler. I wasn't impressed, but I still have memories of Connie and Penny, maybe I'm critiquing too harsh.

Penny was really, really cute - and after she lost those 10 lbs (she was never even fat), she was athletically stunning. As far as FS goes - she was good - but not in my top 10% by any means.

Connie was very erotic - because she liked to kiss. She was not as good looking as Penny (or as good looking as Rose for that matter) - and she carried a bit of extra baby fat. FS was great - again - not in the top 10% for me.

Rose was just horny that day - and that made the experience really great. However - she also was not top 10%.

I'm remembering a couple of ladies about three years ago - their names have left me - but they were widely discussed here - and then Tokyo got busted for prostitution. Now - BOTH of those girls were in the top 10% - one of them in the top 1%.

Ran the stroll yesterday afternoon and last night around 9:30 PM. Saw regulars out there - the Hispanic girl who has become enormous. She used to be a solid 8 on the street - and still has a cute face - but she is as round as she is tall now. Too bad. Never great at BBJ - but a great finish on her back. Skinny BSW - about 45 - always shaking it - was out. BTW - she is about a 3-4 looks wise, but her body is a solid 6-7 - in good shape. Gives a great BBBJCIM with spit. Saw another slender and "in shape" BSW - about 38 years old - but again - looks turned me off.

Went back to the hotel empty. Oh well.

ci-traveler

TheShadow2
07-21-05, 08:12
Their names were Micki and I think Koko. I've still got memories of my sessions with Micki seared into my mind. Damn was she hot, and enthusiastic.
She was in an AMP in Michigan last I heard. I contemplated a trip there just to sample her again, but never did...

Airdog
07-27-05, 00:06
Try the Warren, Ohio forum for Micki. Sounds like the same one that was here in Bloomington.

bboy1234
07-27-05, 22:57
I'm new to the hobby and just found this site.(very nice) I'm free to get out tomarrow and was wandering what spa I should hit for some FS. Also is there a time better than others. Thanks

I live near Peoria. I don't mind a little drive.

Wish me luck I'm going to find my first experience tomarrow somehow!

Ci-Traveler
07-28-05, 11:25
I'm new to the hobby and just found this site.(very nice) I'm free to get out tomarrow and was wandering what spa I should hit for some FS. Also is there a time better than others. Thanks

I live near Peoria. I don't mind a little drive. Wish me luck I'm going to find my first experience tomarrow somehow!

Of the three, if you have $160 to spend, I would recommend you go to Tokyo first time. I enjoyed Rose last time - and she accepted the $ after the door fee of .6 The other girl was all indignant about not accepting anything less than $.2 Also, Rose's table shower was the best I had had in a long time - lots of "massage" type action throughout.

If you don't mind an older woman experience however, Sunshine Spa is great. The Mamasan - Sun - is probably 45, but she has the body of a 25 year old with enhancements. She is always a solid 7-8 experience or better. The upside of Sunshine is that it is still .4 at the door - although .6 will get you the full time.

Good luck.

ci-traveler

Greg Carter
07-28-05, 21:28
I stopped into Tokyo today. I saw a nice lady named Sunny. She gave a nice shower, decent massage and excellent everything else. Somewhat mechanical, but all in all a decent experience. If i was a repeater i would. iI caught a glimps of the other lady on staff. She was somewhat older, but a nice body to be sampled in the future. The phone rang off the hook which resulted in a few pauses during the massage only. Also, some patron came in went to a room and within a couple of minutes i heard him leave and say "im looking for massaage only"? WTF? Was he offered dinner and a movie or what?

Play safe,

Greg

John62702il
08-05-05, 00:18
I pretty new to mp scene. I 've been to an amp in Decatur a few years back, and recently stopped in Belvidere at mp there. I was wondering what the amps in Bloomington are like (how safe, clean, what to expect in terms of put out, ect) and if it is possible to have two women durring a session? Any help is appreciated.

Yet Another Guy
08-10-05, 00:40
Well, instead of my planned excursion today, business dragged me to Bloomington so...

Decided I'd check out the Sunshine Spa.

This was the FIRST time I was greeted so enthusiastically at the door EVER in an AMP. The mamasan (Sun) remembered me from her days in a prior location, gave me a big hug, and said "Have a new girl here, just from Florida, you like very much, good massage." delivered with a wink.

Well...yes, the massage WAS good. I left without the chronic pain I have in my leg/hip eating me up, my back was definitely unkinked, and I felt VERY relaxed.

The other services were delivered methodically for $. The table shower was interesting, though, not sure I've ever had that much attention to detail in the shower before at an AMP.

Hell, the shower and massage were excellent, I may go back just for those!

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Play safe out there kids!

Qwick
08-11-05, 11:03
Went to sunshine for the first tine yesterday and greeted by Sun. She gave a great shower good massage and the service was wow. For $80 longer time frame that most I will go back for sure.

Islay
08-16-05, 12:58
I visited Sunny at Tokyo recently. She greeted me at the door in a light blue tank top and short shorts outfit. She's fairly tall, probably around 5'8" with a more atheletic body than most amp girls. Not to say she's muscular, but to say she's not like the diminutive or plump girls you'll see at the amps, more of an in between. She has long, straight black hair. She has a medium sized chest and a small but toned ass. She's fairly pretty, if she had a slightly thinner face she'd be stunning.

I was told there would be a slight wait and I was fine with that. I sat around probably 5 minutes while the girls finished eating and than we went to the shower. She provided a fine table shower, nothing special. She squeezed more than massaged which was kind of annoying, and then she popped my toes which always tends to make me jump slightly. I wanted to give the standard $ and she wanted to ask about our 7th president. Again please only go in with certain amount and do not let yourself be upsold, it ruins things for the rest of us. Anyway she seemed like a girl who would be a bit stubborn so I played for sympathy more than sternness. After about a minute or two of going back and forth on the final settlement, she said that next time I had better bring more because she couldn't do this so cheap. All I know is that the bar has been set for future sessions. Everything was provided in a straight forward manner, nothing special but enjoyable none the less.

Overall she is worth your time if your going to Tokyo anyway, but not exactly something to go out of your way for. She's about an 8 or (almost) 9 on the amp scale for looks and about a 7 with potential for higher on the sevice scale.

Islay
08-21-05, 01:15
I saw the other girl recently, sorry but I didn't get the name. She's probably mid-thirties with a face that was probably cute as a button in her 20's and it still shows through the years. She greeted me in a white/blue stripped shirt and red short short outfit. She has long black hair (oh so rare at an amp...) but she wear's it up a bit, she's very thin and probably about 5'6 or 7. Small chest and small ass, but long and lean legs. Over all I'd probably put her at a solid 7.

A short and to the point table shower was uneventful. Now sometimes the water is just scalding hot and your eyes almost pop out, but you're at least warm. This time it was luke warm water, which of course brought the shivers through my body. As I lied there shivering on the table she kept saying, "do I intimidate you?" My thoughts were, "No I'm cold and where did you learn to say that?"

Dried off in the sauna and sat there to warm up. 5 minutes later we went into a sub average massage and then the reason for the season. Standard $ rate, she didn't even count. She has a very small top, but of course that's not a bad thing. She has a scar or something below her navel, and a trimmed landing pad below that. One thing I can say for her is that she was snug. Normally an amp girl that age isn't going to wow you with her constriction, but she could grasp me as tight as a 20 something can. It makes me wonder how long she's been in the biz...

So a 7 in looks, probably 5-6 in the standard services and maybe a high 7 low 8 in the fun part due to her above mentioned physical attribute. Basically your standard 2nd girl, but probably not to be passed over.

Islay
09-22-05, 05:13
I've driven past Golden Spa a few times recently, and I've noticed that the Open sign is no longer in the window. That's usually a sign that the establishment is no longer "open" at all. The sign next to the street is up however, but that could just be laziness on the part of the property owner. Does anyone know if the Golden is really open or closed now? Understand this question is purely academic because either way, I don't care.

Ci-Traveler
09-29-05, 22:41
I've driven past Golden Spa a few times recently, and I've noticed that the Open sign is no longer in the window. That's usually a sign that the establishment is no longer "open" at all. The sign next to the street is up however, but that could just be laziness on the part of the property owner. Does anyone know if the Golden is really open or closed now? Understand this question is purely academic because either way, I don't care.

It's still open. I dropped by to check it out yesterday. Overweight, 40ish year old asian woman asked if I wanted a massage. I declined and left. Won't go there unless something is really attractive.

Stopped by Tokyo yesterday - there is a new girl there - about 38 or so - reasonably attractive - but I wasn't impressed enough to stay. She wasn't working yet, but she started today. I would have had to go with Sun - the late 20s girl who is athleticly built but boring and rushed.

Stopped by Sun Spa - Sun answered and said a new girl would be there tomorrow late. Will check it out.

ci-traveler

Jesu3914
10-01-05, 02:15
Hey guys,

Thinking of stopping in at Tokyo this weekend, wondering how much money to take in with me for FS (to avoid the upsales). My ceiling is around $150, but if it can be had for cheaper then I'm all about that.

Any help would be appreciated

Islay
10-04-05, 01:21
The cost of a 1 hour massage is $60 at Tokyo. They don't really offer the $40 half hour anymore, though if you're not careful they'll try to move you out of there in less than an hour. Otherwise .4, .6, and $ are quoted previously on the board. Just remember that previous posts are very enlightening and will answer questions you didn't know you had (until you get there that is).

Islay
10-30-05, 23:16
Ivy Spa is located on South Main Street in Bloomington. To get there from Veteran's Parkway, travel south on Veteran's and exit to Main Street (Route 51) heading south, watch the right side of the road for the tarot reading place and a single floor office building. Ivy Spa is the house located after the offices; there's no sign out just yet, but I was told it would be there next week. The only way I knew it was there was because the house had an "Open" neon sign in the window (how many private homes have that?). If you're coming from Vet's and you reach the McDonald's on the left, you've gone too far. Also, it looks like the only way to turn into the driveway for Ivy Spa is coming from Vet's as there is a concrete divider in the middle of the road, i.e. if you're coming from the direction of Decatur you'll have to go past Ivy and turn around.

The house is a fairly non-descript brown brick building with a two stall garage linked to the house by a glass entry way. There is a paved drive up to the garage, and then a gravel drive going around to a third garage stall. You can park on the gravel as it should accomadate two to three vehicles. I can see some jackhole blocking the drive sometime in the future, but hopefully not. If you see two or more cars in the drive, it's probably best to come back later.

I went in through the front door, which has the basic door bell set up of all amps (facing the street which I've never liked). But you can also get in through the glass entry way, which makes it more of a descreet entry. I'd recommend parking on the gravel drive, then either go around the back or front and through the glass entry way as there are two doors into the...sunroom I guess, and then a doorbell inside.

I was greeted by the mamasan, in a room that ended up being what must have been the family room. At the time of writing, the front desk was just being put up and it was pretty bare bones, but I guess with some ornamentation it will look like a regular spa entry way. The mamasan looked familiar, but I didn't say anything. She said hi, asked if I'd been there before, to which I was honest and said "no," mainly because the place had been open a week and lying wouldn't do any good. She walked me down a short hall to the rooms; the kitchen was on the right and before rooms A and B which flanked the bathroom, which at the time was where my girl was brushing her teeth. The rooms are literally old bedrooms, meaning there is plenty of space and a large enough table for me to comfortably stretch out on.

Mamasan asked how long I was going to say, I said for the hour, which was quoted at $60. Since she asked how long, I deduced that a half hour arrangement is available for those who prefer the short time, and the option (it's the principal man!). I got "ready" and my girl came in, very cute little girl in a white tank and short yellow shorts, again looking very familiar. She escorted me the two feet to the bathroom for the shower. Again since this is an actual house, it's an actual bathroom. She showed me the shampoo/conditioner/soap dispenser and let me know I could take my shower now. The shower was taken alone, which is a HUGE upset for me as I love to be washed down by my girl, one for the decadence of it and two because it lets you get to know her. I took a quick shower, dried myself off, and then the girl came and walked me back to the room (as if I'd get lost turning the corner). It was at that time that I asked her name, she said Rose. I asked if she had worked at the Tokyo previously, to which she smiled, winked, and said "yes," and said she remembered me too. After that, well things went as they always go. It was nice to see a familiar face because that meant I didn't have to go through the usual dance you take when you first visit a place. Also, if you know Rose or read a review of her, she's pretty fun to be with.

Anyway Rose looked about 5 times better now then she looked a few months ago at Tokyo, I don't know why but she did. She looked very fit and was always smiling, almost purring. Well $ got the job done, she didn't even count. Session was great, much better than my previous languid review. When we were finished, she showed me the other room (same thing) and she introduced me to the mamasan, who was working at the Tokyo as mamasan until a little while ago and to the other girl who I guess is working the Ivy. The other girl has very short hair, too short for my taste, but a pretty face and a very delicate slender body. She was dressed up nice, as in nice to go outside, so I'm not sure if she was just not working today or if she was just helping to set up the place. Anyway I would sample her if I had the chance, I could get around the haircut because she was still attractive, although not like Rose.

Ivy Spa is a go as far as I'm concerned. Tokyo faithful will probably be able to walk in with no "first time" hassle, and have a good time with a known winner. The accomadations in the spa are very homey, which isn't a surprise, and spacious which is always nice. I'm not thrilled about the current parking situation, and I don't see them fixing that anytime soon as there literally isn't any place to expand parking. The front door, well I don't want to walk through there as I have to stand by the road the minute or two it takes them to welcome me in, but that is circumvented by glass entry way. All in all, a good start and competition for Tokyo and Sunshine. I wonder how Bloomington will be able to support 4 amps? But they are well spread out, so we'll see. My guess would be that Golden will be the first to go, but that wouldn't break my heart.

Islay
10-30-05, 23:19
Just something I saw today, the advert for Tokyo in the Pantagraph has the email address for Tokyo, which I believe was "bloom-tokyospa@att.net". I wonder if you could email them and request pics of the girls? That'd be a cool way of deciding if you want to make the trip or not.

Ci-Traveler
11-06-05, 13:57
............The other girl has very short hair, too short for my taste, but a pretty face and a very delicate slender body. She was dressed up nice, as in nice to go outside, so I'm not sure if she was just not working today or if she was just helping to set up the place. Anyway I would sample her if I had the chance, I could get around the haircut because she was still attractive, although not like Rose.

Good post Islay.

I stopped by for my second time on Friday. First time was the same day as Islay's post - and was with Rose. Now if you read my review of Rose from Tokyo, you will see I disagreed with Islay about her then - she was superb from the get-go for me. YMMV perhaps - but it sounds like Islay's recent trip was more like my former experience with her.

I was with Pinky the second time around. She is a stunningly good looking, ~35 year old South Korean who speaks average to poor English. She is quite trim/thin - couldn't be more than 100 lbs. soaking wet - with nicely shaped legs, a perfect figure, and enhanced top that was very fun. Those nips were like bullets the entire time. She said I was her first customer - she had only arrived the day before. She had long, black curly/wavy hair - but could have been a wig I suppose.

Anyway - everything was superiror in all ways. CG, Reverse CG, Doggy, with a Mish ending - a real pounding with her yelping like a little dog. The CBJ at the beginning was fairly expert - would have gotten off that way if she hadn't stopped. No DATY this time around - maybe next time. I paid for the full hour + $ for FS. She told me to ask for her next time - I wonder if they do 2 girl sessions????

Will repeat. I like the rooms vs. the Tokyo half walls.........can make more noise without any fear.

ci-traveler

Islay
11-08-05, 04:55
I wonder if they do 2 girl sessions????

Will repeat. I like the rooms vs. the Tokyo half walls.........can make more noise without any fear.ci-traveler

2 girls? Damnit, don't give me ideas! Well, now that you put such a thing in my mind...

I never liked Tokyo's walls, that was such a bad move in my mind. Though I do have a great fondness for the Tokyo. What I'd really like to do is visit all of the big three spas in a day or two and make an updated opinion. But that's probably not in the cards for now, though that would be mission I'd love to take.

Yet Another Guy
11-08-05, 23:11
2 girls? Damnit, don't give me ideas! Well, now that you put such a thing in my mind...

I never liked Tokyo's walls, that was such a bad move in my mind. Though I do have a great fondness for the Tokyo. What I'd really like to do is visit all of the big three spas in a day or two and make an updated opinion. But that's probably not in the cards for now, though that would be mission I'd love to take.

If it is merely a matter of time, I will accept donations to carry out this quest.

JUST KIDDING GUYS!

Well, no, not really, but it sure sounds like a great time!

Islay
11-10-05, 03:08
You and everyone else...I'll try to post what I can. The more posts the better as far as I'm concerned.

Even if it just rehashes a girl/spa that's already been reviewed, I'm all for a new opinion. I know that more persons than the five or so that post have visited the Bloomington spas, so please give your opinion. If you have experienced a girl, let us know your opinoin.

Qwick
11-10-05, 14:16
I have been to tokyo and to sunshine the same day twice.

Mr Dang
11-10-05, 18:30
I'm looking forward to going to the new amp... this forum is sooooo valuable in determining if it will be a good experience or not. My #1 complaint with amps is the COST! Toyko has been only so-so lately, although I had FS with "Cherry" about two weeks ago, which was pretty good.

Jimmy
11-10-05, 20:12
My time with Pinky wasn't as inspired, but decent overall (great body). I would probably go with someone else on a repeat.

Ci-Traveler
11-14-05, 10:28
My time with Pinky wasn't as inspired, but decent overall (great body). I would probably go with someone else on a repeat.

My second time with Pinky wasn't a good time. I'll pass on her from now on. Probably won't go back until there is a new girl there - although I enjoy Rose's service.

Just a quick update on the SW scene in B-Town..........

Was thorugh several times this past weekend, and the place was dry. Before leaving town yesterday afternoon, around 4:30 PM, I saw a couple of familiar faces - one is a light skinned, short, short-haired BSW - thin - with a complexion problem - who I have seen before. Can't recall her name. She was at Washington and Lee at the pay phone. The other is Michelle - a WSW - about 44 YO or so, thin, in decent shape - but looking hard. She was at the Jesus Coffee House but was eying traffic. She walked down Washington towards Lee and planted herself on a corner with a cigarette. Other than these two - I've seen no one out at all.

Last thing - I sometimes stop in at the strip bar in Kappa (Kappa Cabanna) when I'm traveling. Last time I was in there - about a week ago - they had remodeled the place. $.50 will get you 30 minutes with the stripper of choice for what she describes as a lot of "fun." I didn't hook up - even though the girl asking was a 10 on the SW scale - about an 8 on the Stripper scale. I just kept thinking that $.5 would get me more fun for a longer period of time at one of the AMPs.

ci-traveler

Mr Dang
11-15-05, 13:34
I went to Ivy, think I had Pinkie, my "little soldier" wouldn't co-operate! LOL! Damndest timing! Here is this gorgeous lady...and I can't come thru. We ended up with a HJ, but I think she intimidated me in some way. I also had a TON of stress going thru my mind from work. Oh well.

I'm wondering who is at Toyko now. Anybody still going there?

Also, the "fun time"/30 minute thing at Kappa is intriguing. Has ANYBODY on these boards done this? Puh-leez inform; I may just have to check this out myself!

Yet Another Guy
11-16-05, 01:24
Last thing - I sometimes stop in at the strip bar in Kappa (Kappa Cabanna) when I'm traveling. Last time I was in there - about a week ago - they had remodeled the place. $.50 will get you 30 minutes with the stripper of choice for what she describes as a lot of "fun." I didn't hook up - even though the girl asking was a 10 on the SW scale - about an 8 on the Stripper scale. I just kept thinking that $.5 would get me more fun for a longer period of time at one of the AMPs.

ci-traveler

So, have they built a totally private space for two? Have they changed the 'hands off' policy (yours, not hers, I've had some frisking done there on the few occasions I've stopped in)?

All in all, Kappa has had some great looking gals over the years - with about the lowest mileage lapdances around. But this 30 minute deal DOES sound like it has potential.

Member #2819
11-17-05, 14:08
My second time with Pinky wasn't a good time. I'll pass on her from now on. Probably won't go back until there is a new girl there - although I enjoy Rose's service.


ci-travelerI wish I would have read the board before seeing Pinky a 2nd time also. Previous visit I wanted DATY & she said next time, well next time came and again she said no. She has a killer body, but won't let you hardly touch or taste anything. After the flip, she laid in mish and started rubbing herself, that was a nice turn on, I was ready to go and she wanted me to enter BB, i asked where the rain jacket was and she laughed and got dressed and went and got it. That really scared me that she was willing to BB.

Jason

Ci-Traveler
11-18-05, 11:34
I went to Ivy, think I had Pinkie, my "little soldier" wouldn't co-operate! LOL! Damndest timing! Here is this gorgeous lady...and I can't come thru. We ended up with a HJ, but I think she intimidated me in some way. I also had a TON of stress going thru my mind from work. Oh well.

I'm wondering who is at Toyko now. Anybody still going there?

Also, the "fun time"/30 minute thing at Kappa is intriguing. Has ANYBODY on these boards done this? Puh-leez inform; I may just have to check this out myself!


The problem is - she is inexperienced. She doesn't take her time - and she isn't confident. The no DATY thing the second time around was bothersome. She is attractive and has a great body - but her abilities are a bit limited. The language barrier is also frustrating. On the plus side - she tries - she cares.

ci-traveler

John62702il
11-19-05, 23:02
First I want to say thank you to all the contributors to this message board, the info is extremely valuable.

After reading the many posts about the Ivy Spa, I thought that I would give it a try. I'm not a regular on the AMP/MP scene, but I have been to a couple of them throughout the state. My time at the Ivy Spa was GREAT, far better than any of the other places I've been to. The place is very clean, the regular rooms are, like described before, very comfortable and private. I had a little extra cash burning a hole in my pocket so I chose to go with two ladies durring my session, inspired by previous posts. I called in advance (1-1 1/2 hour) before I went there to find out if they even offered two girls sessions and then set a time for my session. The place was very easy to find, the sign is now up. When I arrived I was greeted by the mamassan, who was in her late 40's early 50's, and fairly attractive for her age. After I paid the session fee (2 x hourly rate) she walked me back to my room. At that time I asked which girls would be with me, and she said "I will get my best", I was a little uneasy about that, but once I saw her choices my faith in her judge increased. The first girl in was Rose, she was wearing a teal tank top and short shorts. She escorted me to the shower and then left. After a quick shower I returned to the room where Rose was waiting for me. She started with a typical massage (which was nice) and about mid way through the second girl entered the room, her name was Ivy. She is a stunner. She was wearing a tight shimmering silver dress. She began to work on my legs quickly venturing closer to the promise land. At that point in time, Rose had me smothered in her nice rack, while Ivy was playing with my meat. I was asked by Rose who good of a time I wanted and I told her I wanted the best time possible. Ivy went to go get the protection while Rose got on top of me in a 69. A true testiment to Rose's abilities is I couldn't when she put the raincoat on during that time. While she is doing this Ivy is giving me lip service to my boys and inner thigh. After that Rose dismounted and Ivy jumped right on like a cow girl. Her english is limited, but she has mastered some key phrases. We then continued to in a sitting position and then to missionary. While I'm doing this Rose is rubing my backside and my boys. Before I could say anything Ivy begs me to come, I told her I wanted to enjoy it a little longer, to which said "its ok you get two". So I picked up the pace and she started to bit her lip to prevent any loud noises. I finished round one, and then the girls started my front message, which after the clean up quickly turned into more attention for my little soldier. Ivy started by getting on top of me in a 69 and giving me more lip service. Rose joined in and Ivy dismounted. Rose stood over me with her fine ass in my face, while she was giving me a HJ. Ivy then started to rub her backside and talk dirty to me. After quite a while both girls were becoming tired, so I gave myself a hand while Ivy continued to play with Roses backside. Once I was cleaned up for second time Ivy escorted me to the shower and after briefly leaving the room, she came back and helped dry me off. One we got back to the room she helped me dress, and walked me to what seemed to be a kitchen area, where the Mamassan and Rose where standing. After exchanging pleasentries, I was on my way.

In my opinion it was a GREAT time! Both girls were friendly, and very eagar to please and worked well together. I think this was helped by the fact that I was dressed fairly professionally and I took a laid back approach with them. Rose I would consider a 7 on looks, 8 on body (she has great body for being in her upper 30's), and performance a 10. Ivy I would say is a 9 on looks, 10 on body (cute face and hottie body in her mid to late 20's), performance 10. The final damage was $.2 (2 x hour fee)+ $ for each massuse= $$.2, but well worth it.

Voodoo Chile
11-20-05, 22:29
Gentlemen,

Tried Ivy Spa last week but don't have much good to report. Had a session with Ivy (thats what she said her name was, but probably Pinky, based on descriptions I have read). What ci-traveler has to say about her is right-on. She is nervous, lacks confidence, and is very difficult to understand. My session with her was very strange and frustrating. One minute she is talking about getting married (which got me nervous also), the next minute she thinks I'm LE and won't do anything. She tried to kick me out, but I would not leave. Finally convinced her I was ok, but she would not do anything other than a handshake. Should have left early for Tokyo.

Probably won't go back until she is gone, or will go with Rose next time.

Voodoo

Member #2819
11-23-05, 10:55
I expected to see a few reports on Tokyo & Sunshine as I went to both on Tuesday around 2:30 or so and both were full. Told me to come back after 3:00. Actually Sunshine had a sign saying back after 3. So I did some business and decided on Tokyo and they were still full, so off to Sunshine. Greeted by Jenny and I should have turned around after my last time with her, but my little head was thinking instead. Paid the entry fee .4 and went and go ready. Massage was actually pretty good, she walked on my arms, back & legs and really did a half decent job. She flipped and asked what I wanted and I opted for a handshake for .4 as I did not have luck with FS or CBJ last time. She lubed me up and worked it really nice, she wouldn't let me play with her nips but she placed her foot on bed and let my fingers rub her kitty, she was actually getting moist and into it when willy erupted and she milked me for all it was worth. Overall, massage was a 7, Jenny's attitude was better than previous - 6, performance was an 8.

Anyone been to Tokyo lately? I am going to pass on Sunshine & Ivy for awhile.

Big Ryan
11-27-05, 17:54
I have a different and better report about Ivy spa. went there Yesterday. I was with the one that called herself Ivy. She didn't seem nervous or inexperienced at all, even though she was kind fo difficult to understand. Her breasts are incredible. She was very sweet, and incredibly sensual throughout. She even kissed me on the mouth several times, which I thought was kind of unusual. completely unrushed. After we were done she kept going, seemed to be pushing me to stay around (like I said I couldn't really understand her, but grabbing my pumphandle and then putting it between her legs after we were finished was a good indicator as far as I'm concerned. Overall I would have to say I had a gfe there and would go back soon if I weren't a broke fella this time of year. I reccomend

Mr Dang
11-29-05, 19:49
Well, I read these glowing reports and went back to Ivy, ready to have a gooood time. I was STONED! NADA! NOTHING! The one which is Rose (I think) did my massage, then sad, "I'm done. Get dressed!"

I was stunned. After she left, I got up and just started getting dressed. No FS, BJ, no HJ....DAMN.

She cam in as I was almost done, and we talked briefly. I said, "this is different than Toyko". She said, "we're not like Toyko". I told her I was there last week and got FS. Geeez. WHAT THE HELL is going on?

Member #2819
12-01-05, 13:05
I swore off AMP's for awhile, but my little head took over, so off to Tokyo. Led in by Bula (sp??) short, big boobs, a bit flabby but pretty. She asked if I had been there before, and I said its been awhile, a year or so. Told her I had been to Sunshine & Ivy - she asked who I saw there, I told her. She had me sit in sauna for 15 min then worthless table shower. Led me to massage room and proceeded to do very light massage, asked me to flip and asked what I got last time I came. I sat up and reached for her kitty. She asked what I paid I said $, she said $.2 and I said no way. I only have $ she kept saying $.2, I said forget it I will leave. Got up and she said this time $ next time bring $.2. She then asked to see my car keys, I said WTF. I showed her my keys and then gave her the $. If that wasn't enough she whispers in my ear and asks me if I am LE and I say no, then she raises her right hand and wants me to swear that I am not LE. WTF are these AMP's coming too? Have there been some busts lately that I do not know about? She leaves comes back with cover and starts to run her tongue up and down my willy and starts flicking her tongue on the head. This was great for the first few min, but willy got tired of it and started to deflate, then she inflated it with her hand and put the cover on and got on top. She was dry and had hard time riding me. She jumps off, I ask for Doggie she says no and says you on top. So mish is all she would do, no DATY, no nipple sucking. So I hit it hard to get it over with.

Overall, her face a 7, body 6, attitude - 3, performance - 3. Though after cleaning me up, I got dressed the door was cracked and another girl walked by. She was taller and skinner and much prettier, maybe I will have to see if I can get her next time.

jason

Big Ryan
12-01-05, 17:54
Wow that is weird. Actually Ivy had initially handed me my pants too, and I asked if I tippied would I get more service, and I did and she did. I wonder if for some reason they are just being very selective about clients. I wouldn't know why I would have gotten picked then, I am young, short haired, and have been told before that I kind of look like LE, so I honestly wouldn't know what the deal is. Strange

Neverenuf
12-05-05, 23:51
Hello all, new to the hobby here. Thank you for this forum and all your interaction. I visited Ivy at Ivy for the first time a couple of days ago. Third time in an amp in the west. Parking was limited. I pulled around back to be out of the way but then you have to walk around to the front entry. I felt the place itself was very nice, although I agree the staffed table showers are preferable to the stand-up self-service method Ivy spa is using. The rooms were large and very comfortable in my opinion.

Was introduced to Ivy. If your masseuse' looks are important to you, Ivy is in my opinion quite attractive. Very thin and petite, enhanced, and tall for an asian woman. I opted for the hour at $.60. She gave a very good massage overall. I didn't get everything I wanted but was told that next time things should improve. I suppose like any new relationship, the masseuse and the client need a chance to come to understand one anothers' expectations and needs. She did seem service oriented. She was very friendly as opposed to being strictly business, attempting small talk. Her english is pretty limited and heavily accented. As I say, I'm new to this, especially here in the states, but I was pretty happy and expect I'll go again next time I need to relax a little.

Islay
12-09-05, 03:34
First I want to say I really appreciate the forum. All of the opinions give me an idea of what's going on and what to expect when I visit. Second I unfortunately don't really have anything to add right now. Last visit was Ivy at Ivy. Cute girl, though I have not much else to add about her. I did notice that she had some odd tiny bumps around her right eye, not like acne but more like goose bumps. Also she tried an upsale from $ to $.2, and since I've got this down pretty well now she agreed to my original proposal. One thing I will add was that she did a few little things that was nice, like she turned on the faucet when I went to wash my hands, and a few other little things that make you feel pampered, sort of. Overall though I'd rate my experience an average time with an attractive girl. Probably visit Tokyo or Sunshine next.

kamachoz2004
12-19-05, 04:20
Can anyone tell me the address to the IVY spa?

Islay
12-26-05, 12:40
If you were to check back about a page of posts, I wrote a quick review of the Ivy spa with directions. I think the actual address might be in past postings as well. Also for your own sake it's always a good idea to read up on past posts on an establishment so that you'll know what to expect (and possibly who to avoid).

Last weekend I swung past the Tokyo to check out the talent. There was a short, dwarvish looking girl that I was not interested in and who I believe was Sunny. I posted about her a while back, she was an ok experience. I didn't stick around however. Was going to check out the talent at Sunshine but other folks were parked and I decided that I woudn't probably have the chance to check the selection before a decision. I ended up at Ivy and saw Rose again. Rose is a satisfactory experience, nothing stellar but better than most.

Islay
12-26-05, 21:21
Visited Ivy and met a new girl. Mimi is her name and she's definitely worth seeing. She's probably mid to late twenties, has long straight black hair, a largish natural chest, very small ass and lean legs. She isn't petite, but actually more just a smidge above petite. On the amp scale I'd say her looks are a 9 and the body is a 9.5.

She greeted me in a tight red mini skirt and halter top combo, which she wore stunningly. Her english is better than Pinky (Ivy, whatever) but not as good as Rose. You can at least have a broken conversation with her. I elected not to have the shower because I was clean and there's no point in washing myself at an amp. The downside was that I lied there a bit cold while I waited for Mimi to arrive. The wait was worth it, she gave a light massage for mood, provided a better than average session, and finished with a firmer massage that did some actual therapy. She's a fun girl that tries to keep the mood light, which is nice. There was half a breath of upsell that went no where, but nothing too annoying.

Overall for Mimi the looks are 9-9.5 as she's young, pretty, and has a tight body. She's a fun girl but nothing spectacular in the session, I'd say about a 7.5 for the service all around. Worth a visit.

Ci-Traveler
12-27-05, 17:12
Visited Ivy and met a new girl. Mimi is her name and she's definitely worth seeing. She's probably mid to late twenties, has long straight black hair, a largish natural chest, very small ass and lean legs. She isn't petite, but actually more just a smidge above petite. On the amp scale I'd say her looks are a 9 and the body is a 9.5. ...............she gave a light massage for mood, provided a better than average session, and finished with a firmer massage that did some actual therapy. ..............Overall for Mimi the looks are 9-9.5 as she's young, pretty, and has a tight body. She's a fun girl but nothing spectacular in the session, I'd say about a 7.5 for the service all around. Worth a visit.

I was there today - and your description of Mimi is close. I would rate her looks at about an 8 - but her body is exactly as you described.

I felt she was very friendly - but a bit rushed with the actual fun stuff. The massage was a 9.5 and thorough.

She's worth a visit - although YMMV.

ci-traveler

RamblinMan
01-02-06, 00:36
Was gong through town and thought I'd stop off at Tokyo. (Just read about Ivy--too bad I didn't know about that!) I'd been there once before more than two years ago. Sunny told me to come back in a little while, I did and she did the job herself. She wasn't going to do anything besides a straight massage at first and I thought, well, at least she really does know how to give a rubdown, but when she rolled me over on my back I started stroking the back of her thigh and we got down to serious business after I swore that I wasn't LE. Didn't take me long to set off my fireworks, if you know what I mean. Even if it was on the expensive side (.6 for the house and 1.4 for FS), it was worth it.

Neverenuf
01-02-06, 23:13
At 1.4 I don't see Tokyo in the future!

Member #2819
01-16-06, 09:44
Decided to try Tokyo again since its been awhile. Led in by a very petite cute gal named Cherry. Very pretty and sexy looking. Paid her the entrance fee, I passed on shower and sauna as I was short on time. She came back in I had the $ on the table and she proceeded to give a pretty good massage. After about 10 min she asked if the $ was hers and I said yes, she left came back and disrobbed. She had some of the nicest breasts (B-Cup I would guess) I have seen at an AMP. Nipples were quite perky and justed needed some attention. She massaged my member as I sucked on her nipps for awhile then I sat up and laid her on her back and looked at her kitty and it was just beautiful, I decided DATY needed to be done. I usually do not DATY at AMP's, but Cherry looked so clean and tasty that I had to try, and boy was I not disappointed. She really got into it and grabbed my head and pushed it down and jutted her hips up. After bringing her off (at least I believe she came, but they are very good actress's) I sat up a and laid on top of her and kissed her neck, lips and did a little rubbing of my crotch on hers. I sat back up and she showed me the cover, I actually put it on and she lubed up and we did CG, then flipped her and did doggie. I asked her to talk dirty to me and she would say "cum in my p***y, cum in my p***y", then right before I did, she said "cum on my face" and that did it , I unloaded in her and was spent.

I would highly suggest trying Cherry as she was one of the best AMP providers I have seen. She is maybe 5'2", 90lbs, B-Cup. Rating is a Looks 9, Attitude 10, performance 10. No upselling, she took the $ and provided a much need service to me.

As I was leaving she said some new pretty girls will be there this week.

Islay
01-17-06, 10:32
Thanks for the report, sounds interesting. Did Cherry say that she would be replaced by these pretty girls?

Oh yeah and about the $.4, they can and should be had for less. Just let them know that you aren't going higher.

Ci-Traveler
01-17-06, 11:26
Visted Ivy yesterday.

New girl - Jenny. 5' 5", petite frame, flat tummy, nice long legs, good size B cups, great nips, looks 9., body 9, service 9. Very nice girl. Great massage.

Recommended.

ci-traveler

Member #2819
01-17-06, 11:26
Thanks for the report, sounds interesting. Did Cherry say that she would be replaced by these pretty girls?

Oh yeah and about the $.4, they can and should be had for less. Just let them know that you aren't going higher.She never said if they were going to replace her or not. Did not think to ask.

Islay
01-17-06, 21:44
If there's a new girl at Ivy, do you think that Rose checked out or did Mimi? Rose leaving would be a shame.

Islay
01-22-06, 05:48
Rose is back at the Ivy.

Ci-Traveler
01-24-06, 09:56
Haven't been to Tokyo in months - to avoid the upsells and the stupid girl who ran the place for several months since October. Glad she's gone. All new girls according to the lady who serviced me.

At Tokyo, Yumi is late 30s, flawless, smokin' body with enhanced top, and is about a 7.5 in the looks. Great technique all the way around.

.6 door, $ tip.

ci-traveler

Voodoo Chile
01-26-06, 21:23
Gentlemen,

Went to Tokyo last week after reading some favorable reports. Things are indeed looking up since Sunny has left. Heard she was just on vacation, unfortunately.

Had a very nice session with Lisa. No upsell and great service. She accepted the stardard fee with no hesitation. Lisa is a little chubby around the middle, but otherwise cute, with great breasts and a great attitude. About 4'8" tall. Will continue regular visits to Tokyo as long as Sunny is out of town.

Voodoo

Member #2819
01-27-06, 10:21
Drove by Ivy around 3 PM Thursday and it appeared to have some business so I left and found Kris on Market (See my other post). Though Kris was good, I needed more. So back to Ivy around 6PM. I hadn't been there since Christmas. I handed the mamasan .4 and said 1/2 hour. She said they no longer have 1/2 hour only .6 for hour. They went up couple weeks ago. I said that if I pay .6 then the tip will be less. She smiled and said ok. I was not about to pay the extra. Jenny came in and like the previous reports said, she has a great body. She massaged a bit then flipped. She undressed and I sat up and went right for the nips. Awesome breasts. She smiled and said Junior is awake and started stroking it will I nibbled on her breasts. She laid me back and started her oral attack, but had a problem sliding the jacket on Junior with her mouth. So she finally said that Jr was too big and used her hands to cover him. CBJ was not that great, she used way too much teeth for me. Finally she decided to introduce Jr to Ms. Kitty and in a CG position and began her ride. She leaned forward so I could play with her nips and then she laid on top of me and squeezed Jr inside of her and rocked back and forth until Jr erupted. Jenny cleaned me and off I went a happy man.

Jenny had a great body but performance was not as great as I expected but I still recommend Cherry at Tokyo if she is still there.

Neverenuf
02-16-06, 17:45
O.K. Fella's, I guess I'm going to need some advice from you more experienced mongers. I'll preface with the note that if anything I say here is not appropriate I expect the management will handle that as needed for the good of all. I'm new to these boards and a bit unsure exactly how to lay things out without being too graphic for the good of the whole. That being said...

I went by Ivy again today. Got Jenny. Previous descriptions accurate all the way around. Cute girl, not GFE but pleasant enough. The trouble is, she told me "Jr too big for me". Now to be clear, she told me this up front, so I don't think I was scammed. I kind of gave her a "Well, what can we do" shrug, and hoped she'd decide to do as asked. I was kind of surprised she didn't because she was really cheerful and upbeat about things, but she didn't and as I said she was upfront about it. But the fact I believe she was sincere doesn't change the fact that I didn't get what I wanted. Ivy (Also of Ivy Spa) did the same to me last time. I suppose I should note that I have had legitimate girlfriends make this same complaint. I'm not trying to brag, I am just trying to be factual because I'd like to solve the problem.

Now my experiences with Asian massage services are few, and up until I started posting here were actually all experienced overseas. In theory the system here sounds the same, but in practice I'm not sure what to do. overseas the girls never questioned what was wanted, the whole deal was done with the mamasan before you ever met the lady you were to spend time with. Mama described a girl and negotiated the deal for what was desired. If the girl was acceptable to you when she was introduced you gave a nod, paid mama, and off the two of you went. Only once did I ever have a problem in that regard, and that was just a misunderstanding. Mamasan said "Cute girl, BIIIGGG titty" holding her hands way out in front of her chest. When I met the girl, she actually did have an adorable babydoll face complete with pigtails, and probably 36DD tits, which on an Asian girl were monstrous. But she was probably 5'2" and 135 pounds. Not fat, but definitely "thick", and not in a muscular way. I wanted the rail thin petite girls I had been getting, and just said, "No, skinny skinny girl" to mama. She ran right off and came back with a pretty little not-quite-five-feet 90-pounds-if-she's-lucky bundle of exuberance that was the best I had over there. No one seemed upset and no one got in trouble. I've never had a girl not perform up to my expectations until here in the states. Also, the girls overseas simply did whatever I asked (I never asked for anything too unusual). Here, the ladies seem to want to have a big part of the control. Jenny for instance didn't seem to want DATY, and didn't want to lay down while I carressed her. She did seem to want to please, but only her way. I'm used to the girls just saying "Yes, O.K." and moving to whatever new position I asked for. One thing that did irritate me a touch was that Jenny got dressed and then cleaned me up, and cuddled a few minutes only when I pulled her to me. She seemed to want me to get gone once the deed was done, and I had about 15 minutes of paid for time left. Still, she wasn't unpleasant, just seemed ready to be done. I prefer a little more affectionate attitude, even if I know it's BS.

So what I'm wanting to know is, should I have asked Jenny for a different girl when she told me I was too big for her? Should I have asked to see Mamasan? Have any of you had this problem? I really want to emphasize that this isn't a situation where I felt ripped off, both ladies did point out the issue apologetically, Jenny before I even tipped her (Although after I had shown her the usual full price of $). I have no desire to have the girl gritting her teeth with pain, and no desire to cause problems with the house for the girls. But I also have no desire to keep settling for less. So, next time I go back and I'm told "You too big", what do I do to get full service? Also, since Ivy gave (In my opinion) a really good massage at the start, and Jenny did certain other things that really appealed to me, I might be willing to see them again now that I know what's actually available, but I've never tipped less than the full $ amount except once where the lady stated up front no services were available off the menu. What are the appropriate tips for other services to completion? I don't want to get branded a sucker and make the girls think they don't need to give me full service to get the full tip, or cause the girls to start thinking an acrossed-the-board price increase is in order either.

Mr Dang
02-16-06, 22:04
Lily arrived Sunday, and I had her Thursday. Looks about a 6-7ish, attitude a 10, performance a 10, price normal.

Islay
02-17-06, 20:45
Been a bit since I posted. My last few visits to Ivy resulted in very good experiences with Jenny. The first time was up there with the best AMP experience ever, the second time was great but she was visibly tired that day. I heard she was leaving, hope she comes back. Maybe I'll try Lily.

I've had girls make mention of some of my features in the past, but normally that was followed by a weak upsell attempt (fat chance). I've never been stone walled because of physique, but I'm sure if you ask to see another girl there won't be a problem. In my experience the only problem you can cause for these girls is if you complain directly to the mamasan (or complain on this board if memory serves). You could probably be served as you like by Rose, she's mid-late thirties and is experienced in the biz. As for advice, if you don't like her looks, ask to see another. If she asks too much, be firm and let her know how much you'll spend. If you have a problem or the girl isn't what you're looking for, ask for someone else, or go elsewhere, no worries.

From what I've heard overseas amps have several girls at each place, whereas in the states (here in particular) there maybe be 2 and at most 3 girls available. In other words, fewer girls to a similar number of customers. That means that the girls need to move the customers through sometimes hurriedly, and that means they won't pal around with you as much as you may like. It all depends (I think) on the time of day, and the day itself. If you're there at a slow time they will give you more attention. My first time with Jenny was very enjoyable.

You are very correct in that the girls will try to control the flow of the session. Best thing to do is ask for what you want and hope for the best. You can't force anything, but you can voice your disappointment. If you're visibly displeased they will sometimes comprimise, but again don't force it. So my advice is that if you get a girl that you didn't enjoy, the next visit ask for another girl. And if all the girls at Ivy isn't your cup of tea, go to Tokyo or Sunshine. Thankfully there is 4 amps in B-N. Definitely use this board to see if anyone else has had a gfe or similar with a particular girl. Definitely use this board in general to get a sense of the scene here.

.4, .6, $ is a quote, respectively, for something extra. Please don't spend further as it hurts the rest of us. Also you can write what you like within the rules of the usasexguide, the regular posters (at least myself) probably won't police. I personally write what's pertinent to my experience and leave the rest to the imagination. I don't know if reports on this board caused Tokyo to close down 2 years ago or not, but I'd prefer to keep things clean.

Anyone have a different view on the above stated?

Bandit69
02-22-06, 19:36
Read your reports last week and stopped in Ivy while passing through your town. Got a great massage from Rose who was a bit older but very attentive and pleasant. This was a nice and clean facility with friendly employees. I would recommend it highly. I was not offered a 30 minute option, just 60 for 1 hour.

Greg Carter
02-24-06, 13:19
With all the action at Ivy i wanted to try it. However, i noticed they were not open at 8:00 a.m. I went to Tokyo hoping that all of the excitement about Ivy would result in Tokyo providing even more enhanced service. I was right. I was greeted by Yumi. Her hair was still wet from the shower and she was dressed in jeans and tank top (different than i am used to seeing when greeted at an AMP). She took me to the Sauna, then assissted me with a shower with much attention to the boys, back to the sauna again, and then back to the massage room. I gave her .6 and while she left i put 1 on the table. Great massage this time. I love feeling that grinding of pelvis on my back! An ok coversation and she left to get ready.

When she returned she showed me her great body. Decent service but no DATY allowed. spoke french, russian and asian. Order was french with translator, russian, Mish, k9, cg, asian. The best was i put my back against the wall in sitting position for asian. I later stood up with her and we danced in a circle until we were back in mish at which time i was spent. I'd repeat with her. looks 7, body 8 (love the tiny girls), service 8 no daty.

Monger Forever
02-26-06, 13:44
I wen had yumi also. but honestly I think it is rushed over priced. and man the no roof rooms are crap. Hell you can hear everything inthe room next to you.

also Yumi is about 45 with cheap silicone injections to make herself look younger I see this in south america always so I know what I am talking about. Also. I did everything with her except greek including daty and doggy and everything. covered of course.

$60 door $80 tip of course she said if I pay more I would get more time and we all know that is BS. but she looks good I just look pass all the mking up on every women and I look into the skin behind it. she is a old ho. but a good lay if your into a rushing ****.

ok later all

bubba

my advice is lets make tokyo get hungry and treat us better with more respect.

Goolapper
02-26-06, 13:51
I like hearing what's going down, slurping or squishy pounding in the other rooms, so I love them "topless" cubicles...To each his own


I wen had yumi also. but honestly I think it is rushed over priced. and man the no roof rooms are crap. Hell you can hear everything inthe room next to you.

also Yumi is about 45 with cheap silicone injections to make herself look younger I see this in south america always so I know what I am talking about. Also. I did everything with her except greek including daty and doggy and everything. covered of course.

$60 door $80 tip of course she said if I pay more I would get more time and we all know that is BS. but she looks good I just look pass all the mking up on every women and I look into the skin behind it. she is a old ho. but a good lay if your into a rushing ****.

ok later all

Bubba

My advice is lets make tokyo get hungry and treat us better with more respect.

Monger Forever
02-26-06, 13:57
By Sergeant Marcus Frank
Special Investigations Unit
Intelligence/Organized Crime
Westminster Police Department, California

Background

Prostitution has often been called "the world's oldest profession," and references to this type of activity can be found in the writings or drawings of history's earliest civilizations. In Asia, prostitution as an organized business has existed for thousands of years and the activity was rarely seen as being criminal in nature. Prostitution was considered one of vice activities usually referred to as the "water trades" because businesses of this nature were often concentrated near waterfront areas in order to take advantage of the high level of traffic arriving by boats and ships. In the early history of Asia, water transport was the quickest and most efficient means of travel. Cities and towns over time formalized these areas into specified districts where the "water trades" were practiced.

Prostitution was accepted by the societies of Asia as a lower class profession, and prostitutes were viewed as workers in that profession, not criminals. An especially accomplished and clever prostitute could even gain a high level of respect and admiration in Asian society. Many of these more talented girls eventually became concubines or mistresses for nobles or wealthy merchants. It was a commonly accepted practice for males, both married and single, to frequent houses of prostitution that often offered various entertainments along with the opportunity for paid sex. Houses would be ranked in status depending on their clientele. Brothels that catered to the wealthy often had the youngest and prettiest of the females. As the girls grew older and more "worn," they would be moved into lower class houses until finally ending up in locations servicing common laborers, soldiers and sailors. Prostitutes were seen as the "property" of the house, and could be sold or dealt with at the whim of the owner. Poor families in rural areas often "sold" their daughters to brothels if they needed money, and it was not considered especially heinous by society. Daughters were viewed as less valued members of the family, and if the parents could not afford to support them, the sale put the girls into a profession where they could earn a living. In some cases, families trained their daughters in various arts such as music or painting so she could be sold to one of the higher status brothels.

Even in early histories of Asia, there is evidence that houses of prostitution were tremendous moneymakers. Rivalries between competing houses were intense, and there was always an underground movement to control the trade because of the economic benefits. The owners of the brothels often became wealthy in a very short period of time.

The amount of money generated by prostitution activities attracted the attention of organized crime elements in both Asian and Occidental cultures. The eventual criminalization of prostitution in Western countries placed organized crime syndicates in the best position to set up and operate brothels in a surreptitious manner.

Early History in the United States

Control of prostitution activities by Asian criminal enterprises started in the mid to late 1800's with the influx of Chinese laborers to the west coast to work on the railroads. As "Chinatowns" became established in various cities, Chinese organized crime syndicates, operating as Tong or Triad elements, began to arrange for the importation of Asian females into the United States to service the growing male Chinese population. Their efforts were often aided by American big business involved in building the railroads that wanted to keep their low paid laborers happy.

The early brothels were located within the Chinatown business districts and catered to an exclusively Asian clientele. The females imported by the Asian criminal enterprises often spoke no English, which severely limited their ability to leave the prostitution profession. The organized crime elements controlling the brothels also tried to keep the prostitutes dependant on them in order to keep the girls working and maximizing the money that could be made. As American law enforcement authorities began to target vice activities occurring within the Asian communities, the Asian organized crime elements moved to conceal their operations from the police. These efforts included the hiring of young Asian boys to act as lookouts for locations being used as brothels, gambling parlors or opium dens. These young boys were referred to as "look-see" boys and it was their job to alert locations when Occidental police officers were in the area. (A number of these "look-see" boys became street gang members when they got older. One-time "look-see" boys started the "Joe Boys" out of San Francisco in the 1960's.)

As the immigrant populations in the United States grew, other Asian ethnic groups migrated and established their own enclaves. They also brought with them variations of vice activities that were acceptable in their countries, but criminalized here. The Korean immigrants brought with them the concept of "hostess" (B-Girl) bars where attractive club hostesses would sit with, and solicit drinks from, customers. As long as the customer continued to buy high priced drinks, the hostess would sit with him. Often, if the customer made the right monetary offer, the "hostess" would engage in an act of prostitution.

The influx of the Southeast Asian refugees (Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos) in the 1970's led to the establishment of communities made up of ethnic groups from those countries in the United States. Prostitution had become commonplace in those countries during the Vietnam War years to service the military presence, and the general population accepted it as just another element of society. When the refugee populations established itself in the United States, brothels started to show up with females that catered to their particular ethnic group in these Asian communities. Although prostitution was known to be illegal, there was still a large customer base from ethnic communities where it was not seen as criminal in nature. As such, prostitution activities brought in a tremendous amount of money causing organized crime elements to want to control the industry.

Current Activities

In early 2000, the U.S. State Department reported to Congress that more than one million women and girls were being smuggled across international borders each year and forced into prostitution. Approximately 20% of those females were brought into the U.S. According to the United Nations, the trafficking of human beings has become a $9 billion a year profit generating business.

In California, over 80% of the Asian brothels (using Asian female prostitutes and catering to Asian male customers) are controlled by Asian organized crime or Asian street gang syndicates. Many of the houses of prostitution are set up and financed by Asian organized crime groups who in turn contract out to Asian street gangs for enforcers, collectors and protection. Often times other criminal activities are offered to customers within the brothels such as gambling devices or access to narcotics. There have also been cases where identity theft has occurred from customers in the brothel while they were "occupied," and cases where customers have been solicited for bank fraud or credit card "bust out" operations.

Recruitment

The females in brothels controlled by Asian criminal enterprises are often smuggled into the Untied States with false papers, passport switches or "sham" marriages. In some cases, the females are already in the prostitution trade working in bars, nightclubs or brothels in Asia. These females are recruited with the knowledge they are going to work as prostitutes in the United States, but anticipate making far more money than they are currently earning. This is especially true with girls recruited out of Thailand where there is an already established sex industry. Due to the large numbers of Thai females working in that industry, the youngest and prettiest are able to work in the "A" class establishments catering to foreign tourists and earning the most money. Older, less attractive Thai girls are relegated to "B" class locations, where the bars and nightclubs are more rundown and the clientele is of a lower economic status. The females in the "B" class are much more amenable to being smuggled into the U.S. to work as prostitutes as they can earn far more money.

Other Asian females are lured into allowing themselves to be smuggled into the U.S. with false promises of legitimate jobs in the manufacturing or service industry. Once they arrive, they are told there are no jobs available. They are further told they speak limited English, have no legal papers and owe thousands of dollars to the smugglers who brought them here. Such coercion is usually sufficient to force the girls into prostitution without additional threats of physical violence. In cases where the females are still resistive, they are told their family members in Asia are responsible for the smuggling fees, and that physical violence might occur over there if the debt remains unpaid. Or the female is simply raped by members of the Asian criminal enterprise until she agrees to work as a prostitute.

Recent cases out of southern California have revealed Asian criminal enterprises using Hispanic prostitutes recruited in Tijuana, Mexico to work in the Asian brothels servicing Asian male clients. The Hispanic females were usually already working as prostitutes in the red light districts in Tijuana, and were offered the opportunity to make more money in the U.S. The females were smuggled across the land border and put into a brothel to work for six months. They received a percentage for each customer, but were not paid until the end of their six-month term when they received their entire "cut" in one lump sum. The girls were then taken back across the border and new Hispanic girls were recruited. The use of these non-Asian females allowed the Asian syndicates to promote their brothels as being "exotic" and "unique."

Smuggling

The criminal organizations involved in smuggling the females into the U.S. for the purposes of prostitution are not always the same syndicates involved in operating the brothels. There are Asian criminal enterprises that specialize in only the smuggling aspect, and then "sell" the girls once they arrive in the states. These smugglers are referred to as "snakeheads." Some of the largest conspiracies include Chinese organized crime groups bringing in females from China and Malaysia. The New York based "Fuk Ching" crime group specializes in alien smuggling from Asia, charging between $20,000 and $35,000 for each girl brought in. The Asian organized crime groups operating houses of prostitution "purchase" the girls for that amount, and the females then have to work off the debt by engaging in prostitution. The smuggling syndicates work closely with Asian criminal enterprises involved in the prostitution industry, and are sometimes asked to recruit girls "to order." (From specific ethnic groups, or of specific ages, etc). Younger girls are especially prized and sought after. In the immigrant population of older Asian males, there is a common belief that sex with a young female causes an increase in energy and vigor, allowing the man to regain some of his youth. Customers will pay financial premiums for a very young female if one is available in the brothel. The ultimate sale is a young girl who is a virgin, or who can be passed off as a virgin. There are documented cases out of Hong Kong where wealthy older Chinese males have paid brothel owners as much as $100,000 for a night with such a girl. Other Asian criminal syndicates recruit their own girls in Asia, smuggle them into the United States, and then feed the girls into houses of prostitution the syndicates have set up in various cities.

The smuggling is usually accomplished in one of four ways. Use of forged documents, ticket or passport swaps, sham marriages or surreptitious entry across borders.

Forged Documents - This is one of the most common tactics used by the snakeheads. Visas and passports are easily forged in the countries of Asia with the going rate of $5000-$10,000 for a U.S passport. Passports from other countries are cheaper, and are preferred in some cases under the belief that American immigration officials are not as familiar with foreign documentation. When forged papers are used, the most common means of travel is by air. Depending on the level of law enforcement attention, the most common cities for entry are New York (NY), Los Angeles (CA), San Francisco (CA), Seattle (WA), Las Vegas (NV), Boston (MA) and Honolulu (HI). The smugglers will try and arrange flights on large aircraft with maximum passenger loads arriving at peak hours of the day in order to blend in with the crowd. They also anticipate large passenger loads will mean rushed Immigration officials paying less attention as they try to process a large number of people in a limited time frame.

Females being smuggled in this manner are usually brought in groups of three to seven, and are accompanied by a handler referred to as a "jockey." The "jockey" can be male or female, and is part of the criminal syndicate handling the smuggling. The "jockey" keeps all of the forged documents for the females until just before going through Immigration. The girls are then told to separate themselves while going through Immigration processing in order to blend in with other passengers. As soon as the females clear Immigration and Customs, the "jockey" collects the forged documents from all of them and directs them towards ground transportation waiting to meet them. In some cases, if the female wants to work off her smuggling debt faster, she may opt to try and smuggle in narcotics for the criminal syndicate in her personal effects.

Ticket or Passport Swaps - These require the cooperation of someone with legitimate documents who is willing to make some quick money on the side. Ticket swaps occur when the an "international" flight is purchased for the female prostitute to a country other than the U.S. (From Thailand to Vietnam for example). The female checks in and shows her valid identification at the flight counter. She then eventually ends up in the International Flight waiting area of the airport. At the same time, a legal U.S. resident visiting Asia (usually with some expenses paid by the syndicate) checks in for a prepaid flight made in her name to the U.S. using her U.S. documents. She also eventually ends up in the International Flight waiting area. At this point, the tickets are switched and the prostitute boards the U.S. bound aircraft using the flight ticket of the U.S. resident. Once on the flight, the ticket is torn up and thrown away. The smugglers know that once airline counter check-in is complete; no further checks are made on boarding passengers for flights. They also anticipate that U.S. Immigration will not check ticketed names on the flight against the actual passengers coming through.

The passport swap also requires a U.S legal resident who is willing to give up her passport, which is later reported as stolen. The criminal syndicate will target U.S. residents who match the physical characteristics of the prostitute being smuggled. The U.S resident is then offered an all expense paid trip to Asia in return for the use of her passport. Once in Asia, the passport is turned over to the snakehead where it is eventually used by the prostitute to enter the U.S. Once the prostitute has managed to get past Immigration, the U.S. resident still in Asia is notified that she can now report her passport as stolen and apply for a new one as the embassy.

Sham Marriages - Often used to smuggle women in from Vietnam and Korea, it requires the cooperation of a male U.S resident. In the case of Vietnam, the male subject is offered a free trip to Vietnam along with a cash bonus. Occasionally the male is also allowed to have sex with the female. Once in Vietnam, the male "marries" the female and applies to bring her legally into the U.S. After the female arrives in the states, a quick "divorce" is arranged and the Asian criminal syndicate picks her up. In the case of Korea, the females attempt to target U.S. military personnel for marriage. In the same manner, once the female arrives in the U.S., a "divorce" occurs and the girl moves into the prostitution circuit.

Surreptitious Entry - Most commonly used by Chinese females being smuggled in by Chinese organized crime syndicates. Many of the females brought in by this manner come via the large freighters that the Asian criminal syndicates arrange in Asia. The ship anchors off U.S. shores, and smaller boats meet it to shuttle in the aliens. Most of the females on these large boats arrive believing they are going to work in sweatshops or restaurants. The crime syndicates will select the youngest and most attractive females in any boatload and force them into prostitution to pay off their debt. Due to increased U.S. law enforcement attention, many of these freighters are now offloading on Mexican or Central American shores, and the females are smuggled in across U.S/Mexican land borders. There have also been cases of females coming into Canada claiming "political asylum" because of China's "one child" policy. (Due to over population, China allows each family only one child. Additional children cause the government to penalize the family, usually economically. Due to that penalty, Chinese females claim they are discriminated against because they want more children, and that claim suffices for Canadian asylum claims). Once in Canada, the females are smuggled across the land border into the U.S.

The Houses

The locations where the brothels are housed vary depending on the geographic areas. In southern California, the Asian criminal enterprises prefer multi bedroom apartments or houses located in quiet middle class residential areas. The crime syndicates believe that law enforcement surveillance can be more easily spotted in quiet residential streets with few cars. In apartment complexes, the prostitutes are often passed of as family members sharing the same apartment. (A common practice in California). In some cases, the apartment is used only for the prostitution activity, and the girls are brought in every day to work. With houses, the girls usually reside at the location also. In cities on the east coast, it is still common to find brothels set up in the "Chinatown" or "Koreatown" business districts.

The locations are usually very sparsely furnished. They almost always have a 'waiting area" with a couch or chairs, and a TV for customers to watch while waiting. In all of the Asian brothels we have investigated, there is also always a container with hot tea that is served to customers. Some of the locations have had gambling machines in the waiting area for customer to use, and at least one had a pay phone. There may also be Asian language pornographic videos or magazines available for customers to peruse.

The bedrooms areas usually contain only a mattress on the floor covered with a sheet and a single pillow. On top of the sheet is a small bath towel that is taken away to be laundered after each customer. The sheet on the mattress is usually laundered only once a week. One of the indicators of prostitution activity is large quantities of cheap bath towels kept in stacks throughout the brothel. If the location has a washer and dryer, a check of the inside will usually reveal only towels. The clothes of the prostitutes are often cleaned at a different location.

The windows of the bedrooms are covered with blankets or other material to prevent anyone from seeing inside. Many of the brothels have a plug in light in the bedroom that produces a low level blue or red light ("mood lighting"). There may also be a small dresser containing oils, creams and lotions. In earlier cases condoms were provided in every room at all times. Due to police reports and prosecutions that use the presence of large number of condoms as evidence of prostitution activity, the Asian criminal syndicates are now concealing the boxes with condoms and parcel them out one at a time for each customers. When finished, the condom is immediately disposed of to eliminate evidence if the police arrive with a search warrant. Boxes of condoms, or loose wrapped condoms, have been recovered in places like concealed wall openings, hot water tank closets, attics, inside food or beverage containers, inside freezers or refrigerators, in cars parked in the area, in hollowed out books, inside toilet tanks, concealed in furniture and inside stoves.

If the girls are living at the location, there is usually evidence of significant take-out food in the kitchen areas. The enforcers at the location are also responsible for doing food runs if the girls are not free to leave the location. Cooking, if allowed, is usually limited to what can be made using a rice cooker. In one rental house that was being used, there was no stove so suspects rolled in a propane barbecue for cooking. The barbecue was cheaper than buying a gas stove.

Entry to the locations is strictly controlled. If a house is being used, there is usually an iron security gate or grill covering the front entrance. In apartments, the door is kept dead bolted from the inside. These steps are taken in order to protect the location from robbery teams, and to give people inside time to hide contraband or put on clothing if the police are trying to gain entry. The front door usually has a peephole for enforcers to use to see people waiting to get in. There may also be a coded phrase, knock or doorbell sequence required before customers are let in. Some locations have been found with closed circuit TV cameras covering the front door areas.

The females inside the houses can be of any Asian ethnic origin. If being kept against their will, the enforcer for the location will keep windows and bedroom doors locked and secure from the outside. A good sign of involuntary servitude is deadbolt locks installed on bedroom doors with the keyhole facing inward. There have also been cases where females have been found actually chained to furniture in a room to limit their movement. Chains and other restraints are used only in the most extreme cases where threats against a girl's family have proved ineffective, or in cases where the girl has attempted to run.

If the girls are docile or thoroughly intimidated, they may occasionally be let out to do simple shopping, but an enforcer and his fellow gang members will always accompany them. The girls are often provided with pre-paid phone cards with which they can call home to family members. They may have false identifications to provide the police if arrested, or will simply make up names if the criminal syndicate keeps their paperwork.

The fee for an act of prostitution runs between $90 and $125 dollars. If the girl is paying off a smuggling debt, that entire amount may go to the house although only 30% is credited to the girl's account. The remaining 70% goes to the Asian criminal syndicates to run and maintain the house. These percentage rules are not the same for every location. The girl is allowed to keep any monetary tips from customers above and beyond the original fee. The initial fee is collected at the front door by the enforcer who is responsible for tracking the number of customers and the amounts paid. The number of customers per girls is usually written in coded form. The most common code we have encountered is the "box" code. The first name (usually Americanized like "Lily" or "Jennifer") is written along with a partial date (9/18). Each customer equals one line in a four-sided box. The fifth customer is shown as a diagonal line across the face of the box. A new box is then started if the girl takes a sixth customer. . Sometimes the percentage amount that goes to the prostitute is also indicated on the line ("3" or "30" for thirty percent), or the actual dollar amount is put down ("15" for $15). In some brothels the girls can stop taking customers after servicing specific number. In others, especially the locations with girls held in servitude, they must take as many customers as the criminal syndicate orders

If the Asian prostitutes in the brothel are working there voluntarily, they may be paid their percentage at the end of every night. The percentage to the house with these type girls is also often lower, in the 50-60% range. This is due to the brothel wanting to keep the girls working for them and not moving to a competitor's location for more money. In the prostitution houses where Vietnamese gang members used Mexican prostitutes from Tijuana, although the females were voluntary prostitutes, they were not paid until the end of their six-month term. Just prior to being brought back across the border, the girls were given their percentage cut for six months in one lump sum. We believe this was also done to keep the girls working at the one particular location. They would be less likely to walk away and find work in another brothel if they risked losing the money being kept for them.

Front Businesses

In order to conceal activities from law enforcement, a number of Asian criminal enterprises have established supposedly legitimate business "fronts" as a means of operating their brothels. These houses of prostitution disguise themselves as massage parlors, chiropractic doctor's offices, modeling studios, accu-pressure clinics, skin care clinics and physical therapy offices.

One of the more common fronts in southern California is the chiropractic office. Chiropractic doctors are approached by the Asian criminal syndicate and are offered $200-$1000 a month for use of their name. The syndicate then opens the chiropractic office in another city using the doctor's name. Among services offered by chiropractors is massage using massage therapists. Because the "therapist" is operating under the doctor's license, she is often not required to obtain massage permits from the local cities. Nor is the location required to obtain a conditional use permit as a massage parlor.

Once the location is established, they advertise heavily for "massage." Customers arriving for massage never see the chiropractor (who rarely if ever visits the location). They pay $50 to $100 for a "massage," and once in the massage room are offered sex acts for additional "tips." This type of operation is very favored by Korean organized crime groups using Korean females.

Brothels disguised as massage parlors are used by all of the Asian organized crime syndicates. ("Accu-pressure" is just another name for massage.) Customers going in pay for a simple massage from the prostitutes. They are usually told something like 'fifty dollars for one half hour of massage." Once inside the room with the "masseuse," the customers gets a very cursory five minute rub and is then solicited for sex in return for "tips." If the customer declines the sex act, the massage is over and there is no recourse for receiving less than thirty minutes of massage. If the police raid the location, the explanation given by the organizers is that they only charge for massage and what the girls do on their own inside the rooms is done without the knowledge or permission of the business.

A recent trend noticed in these type Asian brothels in California is prostitutes not verbally soliciting a sex act. They simply perform the act and then collect money afterwards. The belief is that American police officers cannot engage in a sex act in their attempt to make a case for prostitution. This method of prostitution has been very effective in identifying undercover police operatives. As most of the brothels have gang enforcers, the money for the sex act is almost always collected without problem after the fact.

Customers

Customers for Asian criminal syndicate controlled brothels in Southern California are almost 90% Asian. If the location is housing females kept against their will, they will accept only Asian customers. This is done to reduce the risk of American undercover officers gaining access to the locations. Also, because of the cultural overall acceptance of these brothels, Asian customers are far less likely to cooperate with law enforcement authorities in shutting down the location.

There are a number of methods used to solicit customers for the houses of prostitution. One way is through use of Asian language newspaper ads for "massage" listing a phone number to call for more information. Another method is using street gang members to pass the word in cafes, restaurants, poll halls and nightclubs about the existence of the brothel. To do this, innocuous looking business cards are printed up with something like "Tony's Car Repair" or "Bill's Stereos." The cards contain no other information other than a phone number and there is no address listed on the cards for these supposed businesses. The phone number is actually the contact number for the brothel and usually goes to a cell phone or pager requiring the caller to provide a call back number. This makes it difficult for the police to identify the suspects or their locations. Customers solicited in cafes or other businesses are given the card and told to call the number for a good time. They may be given additional cards to pass out to their friends. The fictitious name on the card is to throw off the police if the card is later found in the possession of the customer. The key here is the lack of business address on the cards.

If the customer is a first timer, he will not be allowed to come directly to the brothel. He will usually be asked who referred him or how he got the number he called. If using one of the fictitious business cards, the customer will be asked what the name of the "business" is on the face of the card. The customer will then be directed to a parking lot area near the site of the house of prostitution where he is met by one of the gang members serving as enforcers for the house. At this time the customer will be asked a series of questions to determine if he is a police operative. The customer will be asked where he works, where he lives, questions about his employer and other personal questions. He may be asked to produce business cards from his employer or paycheck stubs to prove his story. Once the enforcer feels the subject is legitimate, he will have the customer follow him over to the brothel, or he will arrange transportation to the location. (Several brothels we have investigated had limited parking available in the area, so customers were directed to a parking park some distance away and were picked up in groups of three or four to be delivered to the house.) After the customer's first time, he will be provided with a code number. The next time the customer calls the contact number, he provides the code and is then told the location of the brothel. The Asian controlled houses of prostitution move frequently to stay ahead of the police and customers calling in have to be constantly updated.

Inside the brothel, depending on the level of activity, the customer may select from several girls available, or he may specify a favorite. After paying the enforcer at the door, always in cash, the customer is directed to a shower to get clean. In the meantime, the enforcer will provide the prostitute with a condom. The organizations operating the houses do not encourage a lot of idle conversation between the girls and the customers. They do not want customers to "fall in love" and get foolish ideas about getting these girls out of the business.

Enforcers

There are usually between one and four Asian street gang members serving as enforcers inside the brothels at any given time. They are paid by the organized crime syndicates to collect money from customers, to protect the locations from robberies, to keep the girls and customers in line, and spot police surveillance in the area. It is not uncommon during peak hours for the brothels to have a car with one or two gang members constantly cruising the surrounding area looking for police surveillance.

The enforcers are rotated often between houses in order to keep them from growing too fond of any of the female prostitutes. They are usually allowed to have sex with any of the prostitutes without paying as an additional benefit. The enforcers usually have access to firearms nearby although not necessarily on their person. The weapons are more for resisting robbery attempts and intimidating customers than for use against the police. In houses where females are being held against their will, enforcers are allowed to take whatever action necessary to ensure compliance short of damaging the girl's looks.

Asian street gangs and organized crime syndicates involved in the prostitution industry in Southern California include Black Dragons, Orange Boys, Kool Boyz, Wah Ching, Red Door, United Bamboo, Mongolian Boy Society and V Boyz.

The Mongolian Boy Society (MBS) street gang out of Fresno was the first Asian street gang to force females into prostitution as part of a "sexing in" to be part of the gang. The females were from the Fresno area and did not have to be smuggled into the country. MBS is a primarily Hmong in makeup, and male members set out to lure Asian females as young as 12 years old to join the gang. As the female juveniles began to associate with the gang, they were told they would have to be "sexed in" to the gang. Many of the girls resisted and were subsequently gang raped. After the rape by gang members, the girls were put into motel rooms or apartments and were forced into prostitution by the male gang members. The gang was able to charge top dollar, as many of the girls were very young. Some of the customers had reservations about the girl's seeing their faces due to possible criminal exposure for having sex with a female as young as 12, so the gang created "doing the ninja." This is where the girl's face is covered during the sex act and the customer is told to fantasize about her looks. Customers later arrested claimed they had no idea the girls were so young as they never saw faces.

The Circuit

There is an underground communications network that exists between all of the Asian criminal enterprises involved in the prostitution industry. This enables the various syndicates to buy, sell and trade girls between various cities. This constant movement of females into various brothels allows the syndicates to always be able to offer "new faces." It also prevents the girls being held against their will from forming any long-term associations with either enforcers or customers that might aid them to get away. If the brothel is raided and the girls get arrested, they often will provide false names or papers to the police. They are usually released after the criminal syndicate posts their bail and the girls can immediately flee to another city on the circuit to continue working. Arrest warrants issued by the police for jumping bail are often issued in the girl's false or fictitious name and provide no authority for extradition if the girls are found out of state.

The girls are moved by the Asian criminal enterprises using land transport such as cars, or by planes. At least one of the Asian gangs involved in the prostitution industry used plane tickets purchased with stolen credit card numbers to fly the prostitutes to various cities. The criminal syndicates make the travel arrangements using third party names, false papers and cash payments. In the case of the young girls forced into prostitution by the Mongolian Boy Society, there is some evidence that a knock out drug similar to rohypnol was used to incapacitate the girls before traveling with them on the circuit.

The circuit includes every major city in the United States with a significant Asian ethnic element. The areas showing the most activity include Orange County, Los Angeles and San Francisco in California, Seattle, Washington; Phoenix, Arizona; Las Vegas, Nevada; Dallas and Houston, Texas; New Orleans, Louisiana; Chicago, Illinois; Washington DC; Boston, Massachusetts; New York, New York; Miami, Florida; Atlanta, Georgia; and Vancouver and Toronto in Canada.

Money Laundering

The money generated by brothels runs into thousands of dollars a week. One of the pimps arrested in a Westminster case had $100,000 in cash in his possession at time of arrest. As prostitution is a cash business, those funds usually have to be laundered in some manner. Some of the Asian crime syndicates use the cash for other criminal activities such as financing narcotics buys, setting up gambling operations, funding loan sharking banks, etc. Other funds are laundered using legitimate high volume cash businesses such as nail salons, video rental shops, Asian coffee shops or cafes and pool halls.

Older members of Asian crime syndicates have also been found purchasing real property such as land or houses using money from prostitution operations. The property is bought using third parties, in some cases people related by blood to the syndicate member. The third parties are paid a cash amount for the use of their name and signature on documents. When questioned as part of an investigation, these third party subjects will claim to be part of an informal financial investment group common to their particular culture. These third parties will claim the property was purchased by a group of 10 to 20 families all pooling their funds to make an investment, and that the third party is just allowing their name to be used as part of the investment group.

As such investment groups are common in the cultures of Asia, it is often difficult to disprove the third parties claim. Especially as there is rarely paperwork of any type associated with formation of the group.

Additional Issues

The girls smuggled in for a life of involuntary servitude often discover that even after the smuggling debt is paid off, that they cannot get away from the control of the Asian organized crime syndicates. In some cases, the girls discover that they can never pay off their debt as the syndicates charge them for local transportation, food, shelter and clothing. These "cost" are always very inflated, and continue to increase the amount of debt the girl is responsible for.

In other cases, the Asian criminal enterprise allows the smuggling debt to be paid off, but then points out to the girl that she is still here illegally without papers and with limited language skills. The crime groups turn the female into a "voluntary" prostitute and keep her on the circuit. As the girls get older and more "worn," the criminal syndicates offer them other employment in criminal fields such as recruiting other girls, transporting narcotics, working as a "madam" in the brothels or aiding in money laundering operations.

The girls smuggled into the United States by the Asian organized crime syndicates with dreams of a better life and more economic opportunity discover very quickly that they have traded a life with some freedom in Asia for a life of virtual slavery in the United States.

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Author's note: I would like to offer special thanks to Kris Yoshida of the California Department of Justice and Sgt Len Gleim of the Fresno (CA) Police Department for their assistance in providing information used here.

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Sergeant Marcus Frank is a twenty-two year veteran of the Westminster, California Police Department and is the supervisor of the Special Investigations Unit handling Intelligence and Asian Organized Crime investigations. His city contains the Little Saigon district, which holds the largest concentration of Southeast Asian businesses in the United States.

Frank holds a Bachelors Degree in Criminal Justice from California State University at Fullerton and is a certified instructor in the field of Asian Gangs and Southeast Asian Culture for the state of California. He instructs in those fields for the University of Southern California (USC), for the California District Attorney's Association, for the California Commission on Peace Officer's Standards and Training, and for the Orange County Peace Officer's Academy.

Frank has been qualified as an expert in the field of Asian Gangs and Asian Organized Crime in the Superior or District courts for the states of California, Colorado, Idaho, Texas and Florida. He has conducted specialized training in Asian Gangs for law enforcement officers and district attorneys in 24 states. He has also done training for constables and crown prosecutors in four of Canada's provinces, for the State Judicial Police in the state of Baja California in the Republic of Mexico, for the Bavarian State Police in the province of Bavaria in the Federal Republic of Germany, and for the General Department of the People's Police in Hanoi, Vietnam.

The paper published here is an edited version of a paper presented at the 24th International Asian Organized Crime Conference held in Chicago, Illinois, March 25-39, 2002

Catsplatzfever
02-28-06, 22:28
Hey all,

As a said in another post, I'm very much a newbie to mongering and such. I've been thinking about taking a trip down to Bloomington to try the AMP scene. I've seen Tokyo a couple times but have never gone in. Sounds like a good starting point. :) I do have a question. I have looked through previous posts to find an answer but I didn't find one. Maybe I overlooked it.

Anyway, has anyone ever had any luck requesting two girls? At Tokyo even?

Thanks much.

karson

Greg Carter
03-01-06, 17:10
First trip to IVY and i have to say my game plan worked out well. I knew that i could just not throw out a name of who i saw there as they have not been reported here long and that person may have likely been there. Not to mention i went to the wrong door which was a laugh for the ladies and an obvious sign i had not been there before.

I tried another approach. I told them that a friend of mine told me about them. I made up a bogus name of a friend and Jennifer, a hottie who met me at the door, played along as if she knew the person and set me at ease. I also informed that i go to Tokyo a lot (their competition).

I opted for the shower, but realized after saying yes it was like at home (door it yourself in a regular house shower). After two minutes i went back to the room and Jennifer arrived back as well. She was still dressed in nice business atire so i was wondering what was up. She was hot! Then she told me "the girl will be right in she is getting ready". I thought that i would surely be given the new fat woman or no extras. So i waited.

Good things come to those who wait. In came Micky! 28 year old hottie who approached GFE moreso than most any other AMP girld i have seen. After a great massage she collected my tip on the table and left. She came back and a good time was had with all that i wanted (I didn't ask if she spoke greek). She paid attention to detail and was sensual (odd for AMP). Afterwards, she requested that i lay down with her and "relax". After 5 minutes of relaxing she cleaned me up with warm towels, dressed me, and the whole time treated me like a king. I'd highly recommend.

Play Safe,
Greg

Islay
03-01-06, 20:42
That's an interesting article. The first thought to mind was, "Just because I like the hamburger doesn't mean I want to meet the cow." Anyway it didn't seem like the portrait painted reflects the area's amps, but that's just me and my personal experience. That may be because articles of this nature tend to embelish the doom and gloom as a sort of "ends justify the means" form of journalism. But it is an interesting article.

If you'd like two girls, I think you probably could obtain this if you just ask, and ask at a slow time. I've heard of two girl massages at Ivy and Tokyo, but haven't myself indulged.

Mickey sounds fun, and it's good to hear that Jenny is there. That might be a fun two girl scenario.

Catsplatzfever
03-14-06, 19:12
Had a good time with Yumi the other day. Opted to seal the business transaction with a simple handshake, but she did like to sell. Thinking about checking out Sunshine soon. Any smaller chested ladies there? Just curious.

karson

Islay
03-18-06, 10:30
Visited Ivy and met Mickey (or Vicky). Cute mid-late twenties girl, long black hair, very pretty face, full natural (as far as I can tell) chest, ample posterior, and just a slight pooch at her belly. Maybe 5'7 or so. Recommended on looks.

The massage was thorough, the session was quite fun and fulfilling. Recommended on the experience.

One thing to add was that they added a shower nozzle, so Mickey washed me off personally. Now a past gripe I had was the lack of a table shower, but that's now gone. It's actually kind of funny considering there wasn't much room in the shower for both of us (if I wasn't a thin guy it'd be cramped) and that she was nervous about getting her clothes wet. But it's fun none the less.

Ci-Traveler
03-26-06, 12:53
Visited Pepsi at Tokyo yesterday. About 5'3", 120 lbs, 40ish, nice body - not skinny - but not overweight - enhanced up top. Really outstanding session - from the table shower (lots of soapy attention) to a long french session - that almost rang my bell if I hadn't stopped her and had her climb on for CG, RCG, Doggy, and then CG again for a HUUUUUGE explosion. Holy overflow Batman!
How much do one of those things hold???

Anyway - $.6 for everything - but was a more memorable experience - from someone with Looks = 7, Attitude = 8, Service = 9.

ci-traveler

Islay
04-01-06, 19:59
This isn't an April fools.

I drove by Ivy this morning and saw two B-N police cars in the drive way. I of course didn't stop. I did move on and got lunch, shopped, then swung by again. The "open" light was turned off.

Keep an eye on the pantagraph tomorrow or monday. Hopefully I'm wrong. Again this isn't an April fools.

Dayamcock
04-02-06, 02:01
I saw same thing on Tokyo. I think it was either Thursday or Friday. Two police cars parked at the parking lot. I guess they are making some move about AMP's in B-N area too. Be careful out there.

Mr Dang
04-02-06, 15:56
I went to Toyko, had Yumi (although the mamasaan gave me shower, weird). She was good, price was normal. She is half Japanese, half Korean.

Islay
04-03-06, 09:12
I didn't check Tokyo, was Tokyo open Saturday or Sunday? If someone is in the B-N area today, please let us know if the "open" light is on at Tokyo/Ivy.

Ci-Traveler
04-03-06, 20:32
I didn't check Tokyo, was Tokyo open Saturday or Sunday? If someone is in the B-N area today, please let us know if the "open" light is on at Tokyo/Ivy.


I ran by there today when traveling between Decatur and Peoria - the Open sign was lit up, but there appeared to be a large, yellow moving van in the driveway......

ci-traveler

Ci-Traveler
04-04-06, 16:08
This isn't an April fools.

I drove by Ivy this morning and saw two B-N police cars in the drive way. I of course didn't stop. I did move on and got lunch, shopped, then swung by again. The "open" light was turned off.

Keep an eye on the pantagraph tomorrow or monday. Hopefully I'm wrong. Again this isn't an April fools.


According to Jennifer - the lady who answers the door - the police were called there by a neighbor who tried to call them as a way of checking up. Because she had left the phone downstairs and didn't answer it, the neighbor thought they were being robbed and called the police.

The police said they had never had any problems with the place - but they did check the license, insurance, etc. Jennifer said everything is fine.

Got a look at Micky - I agree - nice looking! Will have to partake sometime.

ci-traveler

Neverenuf
04-04-06, 19:27
Did a drive-by on each location today while I was out running errands. Both had the open sign lit and appeared to have a client car in the lot. Didn't have the time or the money to investigate further, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that all is well. So sweet of the Po-Po to come running at the neighbors' call. I wonder if they were conveniently alerted to possible trouble at the other location as well?

This whole thing did get me irritated and thinking though. I'm pretty well against my tax dollars going towards closing these places for obvious reasons, but also because I certainly would prefer to see more efforts made at solving the drug problem. Last summer I saw the Pantagraph had an article where the cops actually were quoted as saying they were going to keep up the pressure on the working girls, and they knew where to find them. The girls were all turning tricks to support their coke habit, and therefore they were always right outside the crack houses. Hmmm, Assuming the cops theory is correct, I wonder if closing down the crackhouses would be an option there?

For that matter though, something that really is starting to get to me is the stupidity behind the wheel on Vets Parkway. Anybody else out there nearly getting creamed three times a week by some asshole making an illegal U-turn? I saw a guy in a bobtail semi do that for crying out loud! Where was Johnny Law then?

I wonder if we could do ourselves some good by writing a few letters to the mayor about that problem, and maybe pull the Po away from our beloved Amps? Kind of fight back by keeping them busy elsewhere.

Islay
04-05-06, 11:16
Well, let's see, huge sigh of relief on the visit the Ivy sufferred. Many thanks to Ci-Traveler and others for the investigative work. You know, that's the least likely thing to have happened if you think about it, other than aliens landing there. But at least the Ivy is unharmed.

As for the police actually going after the crackhouses and not the ladies, if they took down the crackhouses then they'd have no idea where the ladies would congregate. Kind of like how during the Cold War we knew who and where the enemy was, but now the where is not so obvious. Please take that in good humor by the way.

Neverenuf
04-06-06, 21:24
Swung by Ivy today. Didn't get the lady's name but from prior reports I'm sure it was Rose. Good session for $.60. Would repeat.

Mr Dang
04-20-06, 09:14
I went to Tokyo and had Jenny. Good experience. Usual everything. Afterwards, we sat and talked about how much life sucked. Interesting!

Islay
04-23-06, 20:01
Ivy was closed Saturday for some reason, so I decided to visit Sunshine. Met Lily there, late 30's, dark tan all over, large fake chest, and a muscular build. Standard fair, standard price.

Hard Da
04-25-06, 07:00
I saw two LE in Black & Whites parked in front of Dunkin Donuts. Both had Internet AxeCess,looking at pics on this site site. They were playing ring toss with their hard cocks and fresh donuts. The had glazed look in their eyes. LMAO

Islay
04-29-06, 14:50
Visited Ivy, a new girl by the name of Anna was sent my way. She's probably late 30's, so-so face, long black hair with a touch of red. A medium chest, flat backside, not petite but not chubby, probably around 5-3. A thorough massage lead to an enjoyable session, but no real fireworks. I'd gone wanting Jenny or Mickey but I guess both were gone. I didn't see a third girl unfortunately.

CR Member
04-30-06, 13:52
I dreamt that I was passing through Bloomington and stoped in Tokyo. I had a good time with my tour guide Jenny. I was not sure what other tour guides were working.

I might visit more when I am traveling through the area.

Greg Carter
05-05-06, 09:38
Went to Tokyo 8am on this past wed. morning. I like to be the first customer of the day at these places (for a number of reasons). The doors were wide open, but i am not sure why. I still was considerate and rang the buzzer. I was greeted by a new girl named Mimi. She said it was her first day so that must mean i was her first customer. She came from New York. 5'5 120 not petite but not chubby. All natural. She offered a shower but it was 8am and i didn't need one. I gave her 60 door fee and laid the standard tip on the table. She returned in a very nice dress and gave a weak massage (I like them to get on my back and pound the shoulders really good). She left and returned and the action began. After a bit of caressing and exploringer her all natural body i made a request. She left and came back and followed through with the request (stockings). This turned into DATY (she loved it!), 69, reverse asian, CG, and a mission finish. She did not allow greek but did allow a bit of lip service to the language. I would recommend her. Looks 8, service 9, body 8.

I'm going to try to be first customer of the day at IVY this morning. If i make it i'll report soon.

Play Safe,

Greg Carter

Mr Dang
05-19-06, 18:02
I went to Golden Spa, got a massage and NO extras. This place is so weird. .I have gotten handjobs twice, and nothing even offered 2-3 times.

Ci-Traveler
05-27-06, 17:21
Was in B-Town the last four days - heavy business and it takes its toll. However - I had plenty of time to troll, so here's what I saw:

Street scene is so sparse it reminds me of trying to find water in a desert. Sheesh - once in awhile you see someone out. The usual girls are out between 5 and 6:30 AM and again between 4 and 5 (much less so than early morning). YMMV after 9 PM - depends on who, what, where and of course LE - which is everywhere these days.

Usual girls seen are: the twins - Ashley and Katie - both look ok, although one always has sores on her face. Saw Katie in the pouring rain a few days ago on the day that Bloomington suffered the huge wind/rainstorm. She was soaked to the bone and standing at the corner of Oak and Market on the south side of the street. She looked at everthing that moved - and I almost went for it, but I've heard they are HIV positive - and my sixth sense was telling me to leave her alone. Saw her again this morning before I left town at 6 AM - she passed on three vehicles. For one red truck, she leaned in the window and was obviously negotiating - hope it wasn't one you guys. That's a sure fire way to get nailed by and undercover - let 'em get in the car after offering a ride - then negotiate. Anyway, either he or she passed and she kept walking. Then a guy in a blue pickup tried her and she just shook her head in disgust - don't know why - he wasn't fat, bald, or weird looking. She passed on a guy in a white SUV and she kept eyeing my vehicle - and walking my way. I left.

Saw Angie - the hispanic with gold teeth - yesterday and today. I just don't find her service to be very good - lousy french, won't accept a CIM, and she doesn't keep herself real clean. Passed.

Saw a coulple of standard girls - heavy set brunette with a hard face and big tatoo on one leg, hard looking brown haired 45ish wsw - again a bit thick. Saw a new wsw who offered to get in but I passed. She was a bit dumpy - but young - probably 25 or so - short dark hair. Just didn't float my boat.

I understand that Chris is now working the new collesium - so she is nowhere to be seen.

That's about it. I went home hungry but in one piece.

Play safe guys.

ci-traveler

Mr Dang
05-29-06, 22:30
had Mimi memorial day evening at Tokyo. 5 foot even. Raven black hair. Round face. Had standard session. Had to show her wallet to demonstrate I had no more money (lol).

Newer? She asked, "you no cause trouble?"

Ci-Traveler
05-31-06, 18:02
had Mimi memorial day evening at Tokyo. 5 foot even. Raven black hair. Round face. Had standard session. Had to show her wallet to demonstrate I had no more money (lol).

Newer? She asked, "you no cause trouble?"


I should have mentioned that Mimi was back in town and to avoid - my apologies Dang.

Mimi was in B-Town about two years ago - and her service was awful. She upsells, rushes you - and she isn't even that great looking. She is slightly overweight and avoids allowing the hands to roam much. I always call now when I'm going to be in town and ask specifically if Mimi is still there - if the answer is yes - I don't go.

ci-traveler

Mr Dang
06-01-06, 18:16
Yep- sounds like her. I've never understood the "upsell". I offer my money, knowing what it has gotten me in the past; no way in hell I'll give more for the same thing. It's laughable, and they ALWAYS cave in and agree.

Islay
06-02-06, 10:37
For those who didn't know, Pinky is back at the Ivy. She's still a cute girl with a nice body (enhanced); she also still has the same odd skin at her cheek bones. Still an average experience.

Neverenuf
06-05-06, 22:58
First off, this report is about a visit about a week or so ago. Sorry to be so long, I've just been hammered at work. I went by Ivy and saw Hannah. A little older but cute, EXCELLENT massage in my opinion. Full service for $.60. Tried the upsell as well as asking for another tip after, but wasn't terribly persistent. Overall enjoyable and would repeat.

Islay
06-17-06, 16:33
The current line up at Ivy seems to be Pinky, Rose, and a returned Jennifer. I didn't see Hannah (Anna) and assume she left. I also assumed that Jennifer and Rose would share the mamasan duties again.

Ci-Traveler
06-18-06, 09:52
The current line up at Ivy seems to be Pinky, Rose, and a returned Jennifer. I didn't see Hannah (Anna) and assume she left. I also assumed that Jennifer and Rose would share the mamasan duties again.


Jennifer has never serviced me - always just met me at the door and walked me to a room. She has been great with conversation - but never hinted at service. I wasn't aware that she does that.......

ci-traveler

Islay
06-18-06, 16:46
Before she was gone for two months Jennifer would work at least Saturdays. I didn't ask if she would be working again. She's very thin and very small up top, but stunning when the session begins. She's a very good time in my experience. And I agree she's always had great conversational skills (for an amp).

Indy Wingman
06-28-06, 14:54
Well hell, that place was pretty easy to find.

Stopped in Monday night on my way through town and was greeted by a woman holding a knife. Luckily she was just cutting up vegetables. Only other girl there was Coco. Thought it might have been Pinky because she had some odd skin on her cheekbones like Islay had mentioned. Rack seemed natural though, nice set of Cs with great nips.

.6 for the hour, took a shower and got a nice rubdown. Tried asking for $.4 additional, but I said I only had $, which she accepted. Attitude was great and she definately acted as if she were having a good time as well.

One odd thing is she admired my teeth a little too much. She kept looking at them , remarking about them, even tapping them with her fingernail to make sure they were real. Not sure what that was all about.

Mr Dang
07-01-06, 22:52
Went to Toyko and had 4-foot 9ish Chi-Chi...tiny little thing. Was tired, but she still was a professional as our session went into overtime. When finally done, all sweaty and panting, she just looked at me like, "geez, I gotta get a new job" (lol). Or, it could have been, "damn, you the man". Doubtful.

Same $ as Ci-traveler in general reports.

Islay
07-03-06, 15:08
I found out, all too late, that Ivy is closed today and tomorrow. The place is already closed every Sunday, they must do good business. Anyway I settled for visiting Tokyo, met Mimi who now wants to be known as Sarah. I had a surprisingly fun session with no upsale attempt.

Mr Stinky
07-08-06, 12:46
I will have the opportunity to come to your faur city to spread sunshine and good cheer in the next week or so. Would like to partake in some extra curricular activiety and was thinking of Tokyo. Since I'm map illiterate, I'll be coming in on I-39. What's the best way to get to Tokyo and who should I see? Any clues on rates and such would be greatly appreciated.
Anyone coming to the Rockford area, hit me up and I'll let you know whatever info you need. Thanks guys.

Mr Stinky

Islay
07-09-06, 02:56
If you go to the beginning of this topic string, the first few posts are descriptions and directions to the amps. If you're coming from I-55, exit onto Veterans Parkway and follow the directions posted earlier. If you're coming from I-39, exit I-55 north then to Veterans. As always I'd recommend reading up on the board for multiple perspectives, as one person's opinion won't give you an adequate feel of the scene.

The rates are $60 for an hour massage, I think Sunshine still has a 1/2 hour massage for $40. The Jackson 5 will open the big doors for you at Tokyo and elsewhere in Bloomington. Any upsell attempts should be met with a firm but gentle response that you're not adding anymore to the pot.

Good luck

Greg Carter
07-12-06, 09:51
Good experience. I wrote a more detailed post but it timed out or something. I think she may have liked me so that helped for a great session. I would recommend, but you all know me i don't repeat with any AMP girl (i like variety). My next trip will likely be IVY. Total $.6 (never a penny more guys!).

Play safe,

Greg

Greg Carter
07-18-06, 12:16
Good experience. I wrote a more detailed post but it timed out or something. I think she may have liked me so that helped for a great session. I would recommend, but you all know me i don't repeat with any AMP girl (i like variety). My next trip will likely be IVY. Total $.6 (never a penny more guys!).

Play safe,

Greg

I had a good time with Chi Chi so against my policy i went and saw her again. This time i took her a pair of sexy thigh highs to wear during our session. It was more fun the second time, but we were interrupted by phone and she was obviously tired. The entire massage took place in the shower. The other communication took place in the room. We spoke french for a considerable period of time before experimenting with different yoga-like positions. Good time for those of you interested. I will not be going back however (variety is the spice of life and i mean it this time). I only went back partly due to my SW experience earlier that morning (see related post).

Play safe,
Greg

Mr Dang
07-20-06, 19:26
even tho I just got a great BJ from one of my Yahoo honeys on Tuesday, I found myself wanting Aisian on Thursday afternoon. So, I headed off to Toyko and had ChiChi again. She is a pro. Standard rates.

I am wondering who else is there besides her???

Islay
08-19-06, 18:36
Sounds like Traveler had a hell of a time. Hopefully she'll be booted soon. Thank you for sticking to your guns (didn't sound that hard), we don't need any price increases.

Ivy was closed today so I went to Sunshine. Met Jay (Jae?), late thirties-early forties, big fake chest, semi permed brown hair, very tan. Similar to Lily but I preferred Lily. Jay is a talker and has fairly strong english skills. Standard price, she asked if that was what I really was paying, "yes" was all I needed to say. Sometimes an older girl can be fun, like Rose at Ivy (she's not old mind you), sometimes an older girl can be a "in and out", Jae was the later. Showered afterward and left.

I've always preferred Sunshine's room setup to Tokyo's, but Sunshine has never had that interesting of talent. Tokyo at least has been known to have the occasional winner, apparently just not recently. Thankfully we've got variety here.

Islay
08-22-06, 13:55
Went to the Ivy yesterday and saw Jennifer. Fun time. The last time I saw Pinky she said she would be leaving soon, and Jennifer and Rose were the only girls around so I'm thinking there should be a new girl soon. Anyone care to report?

Mr Dang
08-29-06, 11:08
hey, had Monica at Toyko. Nice. Looks like poor performers have left. Carry on!

Islay
09-20-06, 15:30
New girl at Ivy. Didn't get her name, didn't care to. She volunteered her age at 34, though I'd have guessed pushing 40. Anyway a quite plan face, neither beautiful nor ugly, not chubby but her skin is slightly more dense than a skinny girl. Small-medium natural chest, just past the ears straight black hair. Dressed in a blue mini-skirt, two piece sarong. She reminds me of a classic looking peasant girl from an asian themed movie. Not the quality we've seen in the past here.

She took the standard, though said I should really start bringing in $.5. And you should start looking like a 22 year old model. Session was ok, almost tipped over the table at one point...ahh. Anyway the massage was decent and thorough. I could see her being a hospitable second string girl in the future. Overall a passable, but not recommended experience. I'd see if Rose or Jennifer was working first. I'm actually wondering if it would be worth it to visit Penny in Danville, if she's still there...she was fun.

Stoneman
09-20-06, 23:29
Had a very poor first visit to Ivy spa today. Things started out well enough with a 30 ish slender asian greeting me, taking the door fee and leading me to the room. She came back quickly and "caught me" undressing and started playing a peek a boo game with junior. I hugged her and squeezed her ass and went off to the shower. It was just a standard tub like at home with no help offered. Then another girl came in to dry me off and took me backto the room for a very uninspired massage. It consisted of a lot of pushing on my back and legs. Nothing that felt good. Eventually she started in with the teasing soft touch and played with the boys a bit. She ask what I wanted to spend so I told her that the money was on the table. After counting out 5 jacks, she wanted more for (everything). I held at my first offer and she eventually agreed, was just an average left, came back and started rubbing her tits on my back. After rolling over she put on the rubber and started a CBJ. I eventually stopped her to sample her wares but she refused to play. Wouldn't let me at the titties and she kept her G string on. I was pissed and she knew it. Eventually I won out and got the panties off but by then I was only half mast. I still managed to stick it in her and pound away which she actually seemed to enjoy not that I cared by then. She was just an average asian in looks. avg build, shouilder hair and called herself June. Tits were decent with long nips not that I got much chance to play with them. She did tell me that the short haired skinney girl at the door was named Lee and that she was not a mamasan so I asume she gives massage also and probably a lot better that the B(*&^ June.

After all this my point is that When they agree to a price I expect the agreed service. I stuck to the price on the board here and left unhappy. Any thoughts or suggestions while I'm in town for two days???

Ci-Traveler
09-22-06, 10:26
...............After all this my point is that When they agree to a price I expect the agreed service. I stuck to the price on the board here and left unhappy. Any thoughts or suggestions while I'm in town for two days???

Yeah, I had a weak moment yesterday and visited Ivy and met up with June. My expereince was more like Islay's.........she tried to upsell and, while everything was taken care of, it was uninspired and rushed. The massage however was about as poor as I've ever had anywhere - couldn't even feel pressure from her weak attempts. Nice enough girl, but I wouldn't repeat.

Actually, I'm getting a bit tired of spending $.6 at the local spas (or even the ones in Decatur) - I'm going to try to stay away for awhile. My interest has been waning for awhile - ever since Tokyo treated me badly.

To answer your question Stoneman, I would visit Sunshine Spa. Lilly and the other girl (can't recall her name right now) are decent - especially Lilly. She is fit, and if you get the room with the couch, you can start out with a CBJ and she is very talented.

Stay safe.

ci-traveler

Stoneman
09-27-06, 11:29
Thanks to ci-traveler for his recomendation on sunshine. I had a pleasant visit with Jay. Decent table shower, massage. Prolonged DATY until she had a spectacular ending followed by mult positions in the saddle. Enjoyable. Would recomend this out of the way yet easy to find place.

MongerX
09-27-06, 19:53
Just wondering how the amps are now. Last time I was down that way I stopped off at Tokyo, but that was way back when Mickey was working there. The best experience ever. Are there any girls working nowadays with that same kind of enthusiasm? PM me if you like.

Mr Dang
10-03-06, 20:14
Yuck! I went to Toyko, and it was busy. I ended up with Mamasan doing my table shower AND massage (yep, you read that right), and then say, "There's another guy waiting, but I'll send girl in here now". Uhhh, ooookkkkkk...

IN comes butt ugly YouMe- not the YouME that was thin, pretty and at Tokyo a few months ago. Noooooooooooo...this one was fat...yes, fat, and looked like an ugly Indian squaw from a bad Cowboy movie. Shoot, I wouldn't even bag this chick as one of my Yahoo chicks (well, maybe I would, but that would be free and I'd sodomize her and shoot a load down her throat, smile).

Anyway, she was sooooooooo rushed that I couldn't perform...I think she even broke the condom putting it on...ugh. Anyway, I ended up with a handjob after investing in more. Ugh. Smart mongers will heed this. The question is, "with such ugly talent, why the HELL is it so busy?" The other girl must be something. I WON'T BE FINDING OUT ANYTIME SOON!

Mac Man
10-04-06, 07:55
Holy Crap, Mr. Dang! Looks like two of us took one for the team yesterday at Tokyo.....with the same ......well, I'm not really sure what to call her. Your description was pretty accurate. I also got my table shower from the mamasan....though it was pretty thorough, it could never be described as fun. Yumi did do the massage...which wasn't really all that bad....but the rest of the session was rushed and, well not very enjoyable. I was there about 5:30pm, and had to wait 10 minutes. I agree....the other chick must be pretty hot ( I never saw her ) or why else would they be so damn busy.

I only chose Tokyo because it was the closest AMP to my business meeting. Next time I'll drive further ( Ivy or Sunshine ) unless the talent at Tokyo improves a whole lot!

Mac Man

Islay
10-08-06, 08:13
I visited Ivy recently, Rose was working the door, Jennifer was sick, and June was all that was there. Not wanting to go home bored and unhappy I trotted over to Tokyo. Had a mamasan table shower, I could really do without that. I met Yuki afterward, who must be Youme. She's probably mid-late twenties, long curly black hair, large chest and fairly chubby. She volunteered her age at 26...that's the low end of my estimate spectrum. Her face is attractive, not beautiful, her body is compatible to what you get from a night with beer goggles.

I decided this was my option, and took the plunge. Her massage was strong, lots of firm pushing. I decided right there that I need to work out a lot more, as my skin was a bit too pliable and probably falling out of shape. The session wasn't rushed, wasn't inspired either. She made a bit of a production with her facial expressions, I kept thinking "come on, you're ruining this" everytime her eyes shut tight and her mouth gasped. One thing that really gave me pause was when she leaned over me and her stomach roll had a roll. Wow, this one's not something to brag over. The sad thing is that it's not like she has a really out of shape body, it's almost like she has about 20 pounds of baby fat, or she just really recently got fat. The frame is there waiting, I could see her being pretty smoking if she lost the flab.

I'll say about a 7.5 face with room for improvement once the body catches up. A 6 for the body (could be an 8 with some work) as there really is a nice frame hidden under the George Wendt Halloween costume. And about a 7 for the session, mostly helped by the massage and the fact that she didn't rush me. Not recommended, but I personally won't say avoid.

Islay
10-10-06, 12:21
New girl at Ivy. I believe it's Julie. She's older, very late 30's, long dark hair, very thin. She has a great medium chest and a tight ass, though her face is quite worn. She says she into yoga, which shows as even though she is older her body is still quite tight. Julie has great english skills for an amp girl and is quite capable of carrying on a diverse converstion.

At first sight I wasn't terribly interested, but she actually provided one of the best massages I've had at Ivy or elsewhere. Not exactly health resort quality but top shelf for an amp. The session was quite enjoyable, lots of attention to the right spots, no rushing, plenty of variety. She did ask for more than the usual at first, accepted the usual upon discussion.

Julie's a good time. If you don't mind an older girl, you'll probably have a blast. FYI either Rose or Jennifer will be out for a while, probably vacation.

Ci-Traveler
10-12-06, 23:59
New girl at Ivy. I believe it's Julie. She's older, very late 30's, long dark hair, very thin. She has a great medium chest and a tight ass, though her face is quite worn....................At first sight I wasn't terribly interested, but she actually provided one of the best massages I've had at Ivy or elsewhere................She did ask for more than the usual at first, accepted the usual upon discussion.

Julie's a good time. If you don't mind an older girl, you'll probably have a blast. FYI either Rose or Jennifer will be out for a while, probably vacation.

Ok, ok.........I have gone back to AMPs............sue me.

Julie was one of my best AMP experiences. I paid the usual and got the massage of the century - no shit. She hit places with strong hands and great thumb massage on muscles that needed it - and focused on my lower black at my reqeuest. She did this for 40 minutes. We moved to the mutually fun part at that point - and it lasted, easily, 30 minutes.......she paid attention via her tongue to most every part of the anatomy, then we moved to DATY, CBJ, and very spirited, athletic FS in multiple positions. When all was done and I was left panting, she continued a massage and then stretched me out.........just incredible. She really enjoyed herself - and I wanted a nap.

She says a 4 foot 9 inch, 83 lb. friend will be there to join her at IVY next week - and that she gives "killer massages."

I'll return for more.

ci-traveler

Islay
10-13-06, 09:03
Ok, ok.........I have gone back to AMPs............sue me.

I'll return for more.

ci-traveler

It just takes one winner to change things around.

I'm anxious to meet the new girl. Jennifer told me her name but I didn't quite catch it. She didn't give me the physical description...I'll TOFTT next week.

Zappo
10-14-06, 12:48
Never been to Ivy . I drove by several times,house on 51. Do you enter from front or back and is there parking in back of house? I know sunshine is located somewhere out towards airport, not exactly sure . Have also gone to Tokoyo when in B-N , seen from last post from there pretty lousy service, thanks

Neverenuf
10-14-06, 23:22
Went by Ivy today. Got June. I wasn't to happy since I'd read the reports here, but it seems someone's adjusted her attitude a bit. She doesn't stand out but she isn't unattractive in her way. I can honestly say she gave a very respectable massage. Did the flip, and the tip. Standard price for all. I got no argument. She left and came back and went right to work to relax me. Good performance, but it did lack something in attitude. The thing with her is the "vibe". It's hard to describe really, but she just doesn't offer the level of pampering I'm looking for at an Asian spa. For example, she didn't help with my clothes afterwards, or offer a drink of any kind. She just said "O.K. thank you" and started setting up the room again. Bottom line, not a waste of time or money, but there is much better available there.

I met Julie on the way out. I'd have to agree with the description previously offerred, but I wouldn't call her face "worn". She's certainly not a college girl, but she isn't bad looking in my opinion. Just my two cents.

I got excellent advice from other members when last I asked, so I thought I'd look for more wisdom here. I'd like to call and make an appointment for the better reviewed girls, but I have no handy explanation as to how I'd know about them. I can't visit regularly, so I can't "bump into them" as a general rule. Since I'm known there now, would it fly if I requested a girl by name, and if asked how I knew of her claim I have a friend that also is a client? When I can get there I really enjoy Ivy, and I'd rather not screw it up. Thanks in advance.

Islay
10-15-06, 08:56
Ivy has parking to the right of the garage, none in back. Enter from the front, as signs on the back door direct you that way.

Sunshine is off Airport road. You turn on the road at the Casey's gas station and follow it into the residential area. Right before the major spread of houses there are some business to the left, Sunshine has a sign amongst the others.

Islay
10-18-06, 13:35
Ivy today, met the new girl. Paula is her name, and when she walked in, 5 feet of absolute tightness breezed in the door. Tight, tight, tight yellow two piece sarong. She's probably late twenties, long wavy black hair, thin eyes and nose, probably an 8-9 on the amp scale for face. Up close her face had a bit of pochiness similar to Pinky, but nothing distracting. Her body is as thin as they come without being blown over in the wind. Her body is almost exactly from the same mold that Jennifer was poured into (they could almost be sisters). Tight tanned skin with a bit of a tan line at the thong area, and a little (well not that little) tattoo on the small of her back. If you like a thin tight asian, she will deliver.

She has very strong english, though not as strong as Julie or Rose. She was feeling me out and talking about how she had just come to town last night and knew nothing about the place. So we had a brief conversation about the lay of the land. Anyway she's pleasant to speak with.

The massage was great, not a killer massage but Julie is her immediate predecesor so maybe it's not quite fair to judge her. The session was regular setup, no argument. Nothing particularly note worthy about her technique, but it was a great session. Just something about how delicate she is. I'll be back for much more.


I met Julie on the way out. I'd have to agree with the description previously offerred, but I wouldn't call her face "worn".

How about "lined". She's not unattractive in my opinion, her body is quite smoking (she told me she goes through a yoga regimen every morning). Maybe worn is a bit too negative though.

If you're new to a place I'd say ask for names on your first visit, the girl at the door, in the room, be really nice and ask if you can meet the other girls at the place After the session. When you call tell the person you met June last time and wanted to know who is available today. Ask if a particular girl is working, and say that you were introduced last time. I wouldn't ask for an appointment until the girls really know you however, just my opinion. But at this time you have two winners up front and two winners in the bullpen so you can't lose right now.

Travling Cynic
11-03-06, 23:18
Since I have grown tired of the lack of service at Tokyo. I went to Ivy for the first time this afternoon. Met Julie and had an excellent massage as well as a great perfoprmance in the "extras" category. The atmosphere is much more private than at Tokyo because it is in an old house. The only thing missing is the table shower.

Happy Hunting

TC

Ci-Traveler
11-14-06, 10:39
A simple yes or no. I plan to visit this weekend and was just curious if the Paula mentioned is still at Ivy.

A PM would be cool.

Thanks

She was a week ago.

ci-traveler

Diddler
11-19-06, 22:46
Was driving through and decided to give IVY a try. The Mamasan was hot enough she must have been a worker pulling door duty.

Had a waaaay excellent massage with a pretty good looking girl (actually took over an hour on the massage alone, and she was super dedicated to making me relaxed), followed by a little russian and the traditional hs finish. Exited through the kitchen where the other girls were peeling potatoes on the floor!

I left a good tip, overall this was a great experience!

Mr Dang
11-21-06, 18:39
Well, its been a while but I went to Tokyo...met "champagne" who served as my professional therapist. She said she was 24 (doubtful), about 5-7 and was about a 6.5 on the looks scale. Her attitude was pretty decent, and I enjoyed my professional therapy. Didn't even talk tip until after the professional therapy! They are open on Thanksgiving until it gets slow, then they will close- so says mamasan, who administered table shower.

Islay
11-22-06, 14:37
From what I understand:
1. Paula is currently on vacation from the Ivy.
2. Lineup is at the moment Julie and maybe Rose.
3. New girl coming Monday.

That is all.

Ci-Traveler
11-23-06, 12:38
Well, its been a while but I went to Tokyo...met "champagne" who served as my professional therapist. She said she was 24 (doubtful), about 5-7 and was about a 6.5 on the looks scale. Her attitude was pretty decent, and I enjoyed my professional therapy. Didn't even talk tip until after the professional therapy! They are open on Thanksgiving until it gets slow, then they will close- so says mamasan, who administered table shower.

The table shower is one of the most fun parts about visiting an AMP. I remember that mamasan gave me one of those table showers once several months back - and last time she offered I declined. I waited for the girl.

I haven't returned to Tokyo - even though the Mamasan told me I was welcome to come back. I believe they have some problems there - and I worry about busts/raids. There have been a steady stream of complaints from the next door business - which can hear everything that goes on, and the girls have been pretty much miss or hit - usually the former.

If I were all of you (and I'm not!) - I would just stay away from Tokyo. It is trouble waiting to happen.

Just my experienced 2 cents .........

Ci-Traveler

Dude41
11-25-06, 10:22
I was at Tokyo a few weeks back. I had a massage by Youme. Great time. I was wondering if she still there before I make the drive.

Thanks

Islay
11-27-06, 15:34
New girl at Ivy is named Hannah, not the Hannah/Anna that was at Ivy about 6 months ago. Hannah has shoulder length black hair with slight waves and curls. Face is a bit chiseled, maybe a 6-7 on the amp scale. Body was in good shape, small natural chest and a small caboose. Probably a high 8 on the amp scale. The place was busy so I didn't get the full massage experience, but I did have a great time. Her enthusiasm/skills were right on, probably a high 9 on the amp scale. She performed an interesting application move that earned her style points. Very in to the session, was obviously trying to make up for the rush but she did make up for it. Standard price, no arguing.

Hannah is a go, probably you'll have a great time.

TheShadow2
12-09-06, 21:57
Ventured back into the local amp scene after a long absence to visit Ivy Spa today. Had a session with Julie. Nice looking, great smile, eyes, and body. Very nice gal, had a great time. She's got great people skills to along with her massage skills. Won't go into details except to say I would definitely repeat.

Islay
12-10-06, 09:49
Hannah is also going by the name Yumi (Youme), I guess.

Nice to see you Shadow.

Paula is supposed to return soon.

Broome333
12-12-06, 12:10
After moving up here from the South a few months ago one of my first priorities was finding an AMP to visit. After doing a little research I found that there was only one in the Quad city area and that they only offered HJ finish. Since I don't like to pay for something that I can do for myself I decided to widen my search and found this thread. Since Ivy seemed to have the more positive posts I settled on it as the destination of a road trip. I didn't have the chance to get there until just a few weeks ago. After reading the thread I was hoping to see Paula and through blind luck thats who I got. The description of her given earlier is accurate and I must say she was exactly what I wanted. The massage was not all that great but I got to talk to her some. During the conversation she asked if I had been there before and I truthfully answered that it was my first time. I told her that a friend had recommended the place to me. After all I consider this site to be one of my best friends when it comes to advice of that nature. I also made sure to work the fact that I had been to other AMPs into the converstion. She had lots of questions about other places I had been which I also answered for her, with a few exceptions. I kept the prices I had paid in the low range, after all no use in setting myself up for later. After the flip she asked what I wanted and I told her FS. After a little negotiation we settled on $.20 for the tip and she left for a minute. On the return she started getting undressed and I had to make an effort to keep my jaw from dropping. She has the cutest thong shaped tan line on her very nice butt I have ever seen. After a short covered BJ she asked who was going to be on top and I said how about we take turns. She agreed and things got started. The service was very good and I didn't tkae long to finish. I usually take 10-15 min. I know some of you are going to laugh but thats just me. I don't particularly like to drag it out and after being rushed a few times I decided to just do my business and go to avoid the rush if I take to long. It really kills it for me. After I was done a first in an AMP occured. She seemed a little upset and said next time you wait for me to have my turn. Maybe I'm a little naive but I never though about giving an AMP girl an orgasm. I always figured they would prefer quick. Of course I realize they are human and try to treat them with courtesy and respect like anyone else. I have to admit I felt bad about it and promised to make it up to her next time. Anyone else have a reaction like this? Could she have been serious, perhaps even attracted to me or simply trying to set up a reason for me to come back?

NomadicLove
12-13-06, 00:05
After moving up here from the South a few months ago one of my first priorities was finding an AMP to visit. After doing a little research I found that there was only one in the Quad city area and that they only offered HJ finish. Since I don't like to pay for something that I can do for myself I decided to widen my search and found this thread. Since Ivy seemed to have the more positive posts I settled on it as the destination of a road trip. I didn't have the chance to get there until just a few weeks ago. After reading the thread I was hoping to see Paula and through blind luck thats who I got. The description of her given earlier is accurate and I must say she was exactly what I wanted. The massage was not all that great but I got to talk to her some. During the conversation she asked if I had been there before and I truthfully answered that it was my first time. I told her that a friend had recommended the place to me. After all I consider this site to be one of my best friends when it comes to advice of that nature. I also made sure to work the fact that I had been to other AMPs into the converstion. She had lots of questions about other places I had been which I also answered for her, with a few exceptions. I kept the prices I had paid in the low range, after all no use in setting myself up for later. After the flip she asked what I wanted and I told her FS. After a little negotiation we settled on $.20 for the tip and she left for a minute. On the return she started getting undressed and I had to make an effort to keep my jaw from dropping. She has the cutest thong shaped tan line on her very nice butt I have ever seen. After a short covered BJ she asked who was going to be on top and I said how about we take turns. She agreed and things got started. The service was very good and I didn't tkae long to finish. I usually take 10-15 min. I know some of you are going to laugh but thats just me. I don't particularly like to drag it out and after being rushed a few times I decided to just do my business and go to avoid the rush if I take to long. It really kills it for me. After I was done a first in an AMP occured. She seemed a little upset and said next time you wait for me to have my turn. Maybe I'm a little naive but I never though about giving an AMP girl an orgasm. I always figured they would prefer quick. Of course I realize they are human and try to treat them with courtesy and respect like anyone else. I have to admit I felt bad about it and promised to make it up to her next time. Anyone else have a reaction like this? Could she have been serious, perhaps even attracted to me or simply trying to set up a reason for me to come back?I would suspect she was dead serious! I am sure there are a good share of the ladies who just want to get done quick, but this one seems to want to enjoy herself as well. I have never met the lady in question, but she sounds like a gal I would like to know. I don't think I'd read too much into it as a come on. Maybe she just found you to be attractive. That kind of chemistry can be funny some times.

Mr Dang
12-13-06, 00:55
I went to Toyko, and had Champaign again. There was a dude in the shower, so she massaged me and then showered me. After a minute in the dark suana ("light broken"), she then gave me a long massage before the main event. Nice both times now. Saw the other girl walking, and she seems to be acceptable. No discussion of tip til after.

Mr Dang
12-13-06, 00:57
My last post got me thinking...I had a hispanic gal in springfield Saturday, a black gal in Peoria on Monday and Aisan today. Wow, am I a sicko.

Ci-Traveler
12-13-06, 10:17
My last post got me thinking...I had a hispanic gal in springfield Saturday, a black gal in Peoria on Monday and Aisan today. Wow, am I a sicko.

Yup.

; )

ci-traveler

Mr Dang
12-19-06, 18:22
went to Toyko, got Champagne AGAIN (sheesh, don't they have any other gals?)...she pretty much did the same song and dance...a true "one trick pony". No more until they get a new stable.

Broome333
12-26-06, 18:13
Looks like I might get lucky and have time and money at the same time later this week. I'm considering either a trip to 7 Spa in Morris or a repeat visit to Ivy. I'm having a hard time deciding on whether to do a little exploring or sticking with a proven source. I would like to finally try the table shower (never had one), but also look forward to getting to see Paula again. Anyone know if Paula is back from vacation yet? Also anyone know if Ivy will be running on their regular hours over the holidays?

Dad
12-29-06, 21:36
As an out-of-towner, I used the reports to decide a trip to Ivy Spa would be worth my time.

Sophie administered my massage, and she is quite good, working me into positions I'd never been put into before. Eventually she announced she was done, and needed to wash her hands.

Thinking perhaps this was code for something, returning w/ a hot towel or ??, I waited... and waited. Eventually she did return, again repeating that she was done, and that I should get dressed.

I insisted she wasn't done, she assured me she was, and again left the room.

If you want an excellent massage, see Sophie.

It is possible to request an attendent at Ivy, or the other Bloomington AMP's ??

Islay
12-30-06, 07:53
I've not been to any of the amps in while. Last visit to Ivy it was Yumi and Julie. I thought Paula was going to return in the mean time but I guess she hasn't. You can always give them a call and ask who's working.

For those who don't know, Ivy has a bath/shower and doesn't provide a table shower. Tokyo and Sunshine do provide this service, however my last few visits at both establishments the mamasan elected to provide the table shower, which isn't what I wanted.

If you know who you want to see, ask if she is available. This has been the rule at any spa I've been to, and you'll either see her or not. The one caveat to this rule is that if the girls don't know you, you'll most likely be treated with a degree of suspicion and this will likely backfire. The best situation is when you've visited a place 2 or 3 times at least and the mamasan knows you. Then she'll offer the new girl or let you choose who is available. That doesn't help a first timer, but we've all got to start somewhere.

Ci-Traveler
12-30-06, 14:34
Sophie administered my massage, and she is quite good, working me into positions I'd never been put into before. Eventually she announced she was done, and needed to wash her hands.

I insisted she wasn't done, she assured me she was, and again left the room.


Several things come to mind:

1. Put all of your money on the table following the initial $60 house fee.

2. Take the shower if you didn't - they prefer a clean body - and maybe you weren't?

Can you describe Sophie? Was she attractive? Tall, Short, thin, medium? Top big or small? Legs? Ass? Age? Hair Length/Color?

I have no doubt that many of us who have been regulars could get more than what she offered you - so please share.

ci-traveler

Nashvillan
12-31-06, 11:32
My experience was very similar to Dad's. Sophie did not offer nor did I request additional services. I did request to meet the available girls working, I was informed they did not work that way. She was not my type so I sat back and just enjoyed the massage. She does give a excellent deep tissue massage. She is probably in her early forties, asian with big boobs. Not half bad looking for her age. Her bedside manner was pleasant. She put alot of effort in the massage. I gave her a .2 tip for the hard effort.

Broome333
01-05-07, 19:25
I had planned to visit Ivy, but decided not to based on the reports by Dad and Nashvillian. Just my luck I would have made a 2 hour drive and ended up with nothing but an okay massage to show for it. Guess I will just save up for next time. Any news on if Paula is back or not?

Diddler
01-05-07, 19:42
I did a report in November in which I did have a happy ending to a really good massage. Not the best looker in the world, and the bottom was inaccessible, but I did get to play with the top and enjoy a little Russian. I would imagine it's all in the hints you drop during the conversation. But Ivy was okay with me.

Greg Carter
01-09-07, 20:20
I met Paula for the first time today. She said she got back last night and did not know how long she would be in town. Very small girl, ok massage. Great fun. Seemed to enjoy but very cautious about "trouble".

Take a shower. Leave tip on table. Brush up on your DATY. I tried a stand up with this tiny lady. What a blast. Highly recommend if you like a tiny asian for your massage.

Jenifer was very interested in how i liked the service. She must have a heads up that some people were a bit dissatisfied.

Play Safe,

Greg

Greg Carter
01-09-07, 20:25
Went back to Tokyo for the first time in months on Monday. They were a bit busy after i got there but it did not affect the service. I met Judy. Standard fee, decent service, would repeat if there were no variety available (vice of life for me). Accomodated a likely uncommon request so that was a plus. Nice table shower. Would recommend to all who likes an 8 in looks 8 in service (bit mechanical) and 8 in attitude (pouty face at tip and a second request for larger tip on exit). She did introduce me to Penny on the way out. Penny is built like Paula at Ivy but Penny is older looking. I'll likely give her a try soon.

Play safe,

Greg

Member #2819
01-12-07, 09:53
Went to Ivy yesterday, and Jennifer said Paula was busy and that Julie was available. Julie has always been great and did not disappoint again. Wonderful DATY session, followed by mish & doggie. Told her i was ready a to finish, she said she wanted to see it, so I pulled out, uncovered and was standing by the bed while she spread her legs and let me finish all over her stomach. What an awesome finish. Cleaned up and was leaving saw Paula (for the first time) having a smoke. Now I need to return to try her.

Voodoo Chile
01-12-07, 23:41
Went back to Tokyo for the first time in months on Monday. They were a bit busy after i got there but it did not affect the service. I met Judy. Standard fee, decent service, would repeat if there were no variety available (vice of life for me). Accomodated a likely uncommon request so that was a plus. Nice table shower. Would recommend to all who likes an 8 in looks 8 in service (bit mechanical) and 8 in attitude (pouty face at tip and a second request for larger tip on exit). She did introduce me to Penny on the way out. Penny is built like Paula at Ivy but Penny is older looking. I'll likely give her a try soon.

Play safe,

Greg

Greg,

Penny is excellent in the service department - I highly recommend. She reminds me of Chi-Chi, who was there a few months ago. They are both way above average for an AMP.

Voodoo

Mr Dang
01-16-07, 19:54
Went to Toyko, and had Penny. She is 5 foot (or under), decent bod (6.5), ok face (6), good attitude (8). She has a tattoo that goes across her lower belly, and wears a waist chain. She reminds me of AMP workers some years ago who were total service oriented...attending to socks and shoes, that kind of thing. And, of course, the professional therapy was very nice. Usual fees.

Mr Dang
01-23-07, 01:12
Has anyone been to Sun Spa lately? Whats going on over there??? And what about Golden? Any news?

Voodoo Chile
01-25-07, 01:48
Has anyone been to Sun Spa lately? Whats going on over there??? And what about Golden? Any news?

Mr. Dang,

Was at Sun a couple weeks ago. Lily is still there, with another girl. Service was great, but the place is too damn cold - they need to turn up the heat a bit. Will go back after the spring thaw.

Voodoo

Stoneman
01-26-07, 12:55
Visited Bloomington this week and had the pleasure of meeting Julie at Ivy. This girl is a true gem. Chinese, 5'1, 100#'s. Incredible massage for a long time followed by GFE. Prolonged foreplay, long DATY, tiny twat, grinding FS. She is truly a fantastic find.

Went back two days later and had to wait a bit for her but she made up for it with a long session of nude body sliding massage, and true GFE. She is worth every penny and more. Just wish she were closer to home! I'd be broke but happy.

Bee Sure Man
02-04-07, 10:39
Was recently passing thru the Bloomington area on business and decided to make a stop at Ivy. Had been to Tokoyo previously and Ivy I found much more convenient to get to and easier to locate.

Stopped at Ivy and said I had ben there previously and friend had recommended Julie. Julie was busy and had an appointment scheduled after her current session, so I saw Paula. She was very small and attractive with long hair. A table shower would be a nice addition but I did take the shower before my session, which I believe is always a desirable option. Was shown to the shower and room by Jennifer, who was tall, thin and quite attractive.

My session with Paula was very good and she provided all services requested and an adequate massage also. I will definitely see her again, but may phone ahead for my next session and try to schedule session with Julie.

I will definitely return to Ivy shortly. I was there in early afternoon and early in the week and was somewhat surprised that the place was as busy as it seemed to be.

BSM

Greg Carter
02-16-07, 16:16
Had Rose for the first time (if you can believe that). It was great. She was very receptive, accommodating, and wild - like it is with a fun friend on the side if you know what i mean. She could have been extra enthusiastic due to the fact that i may have tipped her .2 more than the standard tip on accident (money sticking together - lol). Nonetheless i didn't feel cheated by any means. Reverse cowgirl with feet in stirups, also rode side saddle cowgirl, stand up, standard, (she said that she finished and it appeared to me that way as well - if it was only a show it was a good one and i def. enjoyed it). The massage was pretty good.

Saw and talked with Jennifer again briefly on the way out. Id like to have a session with her.

It was a little busy there after i got there so i am glad i got there when i did.

Paula was "on vacation" some quiet squealing going on next door.

Play Safe,

Greg

Ci-Traveler
02-25-07, 12:55
Was at Ivy yesterday. There is a new girl, Megan, who Jennifer said is 30 years old. She looks 20 years old. She has beautiful face, very slender body, long legs, natural b cup up top with absolutely wonderful nipples, and long black hair. Very sexy girl.

Average massage and somewhat average skills in the extras department. But her good looks makes up for all of that. The problem? A 60 minute session was in and out the door in 30 minutes. The place was busy, busy, busy.

ci-traveler

Barney1234
02-25-07, 15:10
I agree with Ci-Traveller, although I went later (I'm guessing) and there was nobody else there. I had an hour long massage with Megan, that got rid of a lot of kinks and toxins, and I wasn't rushed at all. Very therapeutic.

It was my first visit, and was impressed with the facility: upscale, clean, and everyone was as cheery as could be.

Barney

Islay
02-26-07, 17:14
Megan is recommended on looks. When I walked in there was someone else in the other room and the doorbell rang as I settled in. But when I left the place was deserted. Anyway my session was quick, all action and no therapy, which I was ok with considering I thought it was busy. However I would liked to have had my extra time upon hindsight.

Jennifer is growing out her hair a bit. I wish she'd work again.

Barney1234
02-27-07, 21:15
At about 4:00 today there were 5+ cars at Ivy. They are going to need a bigger parking lot if this keeps up.

Barney

Bee Sure Man
03-01-07, 18:17
Made recent stop at Ivy and had session with Jen. Had one of the best sessions I've had at an AMP in quite sometime. However I think she has frequently been working as hostess and indicated she may not be available to see customers on a regular basis. Hopefully that will change and they will rotate girls around.

BSM

John A77
03-02-07, 08:50
I've been to Sunshine twice now, and seen Lily both times. Massage was enjoyable and I had a nice time. She is sweet and friendly. I think I may try Ivy next for variety. Since it's been so crowded, maybe some of you Ivy people should try Sunshine. :)

I'm curious about DATY as some have mentioned, since I haven't had much AMP experience. I'd like to know if it is safe and how that's approached. Please reply or send me a PM - thanks!

Broome333
03-07-07, 23:38
I got a chance to stop by Ivy recently. Jennifer remembered me from the first time I was there and showed me to the room. I asked about Paula and was told she is on vacation again. Rose and Megan were there and since it was Rose's turn, that who I got. Since I had not seen either and both had good reviews I didn't argue, even though I was hoping for Megan after hearing the reviews of her looks. Oh well, maybe next time. Since Rose has been reviewed on here numerous times I won' t go into detail about things that have been said many times before. The experience was well worth the time and money, good service, good attitude, nice figure, and very enthusiastic. I would repeat.

Service Man
03-14-07, 18:02
Greetings,

Can one of you fine Gents please give me/PM me the approximate locations of the area AMPs? Thanks!

SM

Broome333
03-14-07, 19:01
Greetings,

Can one of you fine Gents please give me/PM me the approximate locations of the area AMPs? Thanks!

SM

Look at the beginning of the thread. Very good descriptions of all the places are there.

Mr Dang
03-20-07, 19:18
As head reads, had Soo-Jee on Tuesday. She is 30, a 6 on the looks scale, and a decent pro "massusse". Standard rates, although at the end in her broken english she was saying something about treating her better. I couldn't understand....

Barney1234
03-20-07, 22:43
As head reads, had Soo-Jee on Tuesday. She is 30, a 6 on the looks scale, and a decent pro "massusse". Standard rates, although at the end in her broken english she was saying something about treating her better. I couldn't understand....

I'll translate: it meant she wanted more money :-)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Barney

Mr Dang
03-21-07, 11:08
should have worded that differently...how about this..."I *acted* as if I didn't understand...." LOL

It was poor timing on her part as I had already delivered the goods, and was basking in the glow.

Catsplatzfever
03-22-07, 23:09
Finally tried Ivy. It was getting late, and I didn't finally find Sunshine until it had closed. The open sign at Golden was still on but I opted to pass. With Tokyo also being closed for the evening, I thought, what the hell let's see if Ivy was still open. Sure enough at 10 min. to closing they got me in with Megan. Very awesome looking for an AMP girl. Opted for no shower and a cbj. Even though it was after close, she didn't rush me out. She back in for the clean up and laid on me and chatted for a while. Excellent experience, I will definitely be going back. Still would like to try Sunshine too.

Qwick
04-04-07, 14:12
Went to Sunshine Saturday (good to see Sun back) she gave me the new girl Coco 26 years old. Very playful shower, great masage, full menu and a good closing masage (felt like a king). This is one of the best experences I have had in a long time. She does not allow alot of play but a real good time.

Ci-Traveler
04-05-07, 08:19
Went to Sunshine Saturday (good to see Sun back) she gave me the new girl Coco 26 years old. Very playful shower, great masage, full menu and a good closing masage (felt like a king). This is one of the best experences I have had in a long time. She does not allow alot of play but a real good time.

Qwick,

Can you give a breakdown on face, body, service attitude by rating? I might consider a visit!

Ci-Traveler

Jammin 2
04-05-07, 09:41
Reports a while back on Ivy mentioned Chinese girls. But from what I know of AMPS in the area they all are Korean. The reports on Tokyo and Sun mention only Koreans.
Is it possible there are any Chinese? For me I speak the language so it can make a difference.

Qwick
04-06-07, 07:33
Qwick,

Can you give a breakdown on face, body, service attitude by rating? I might consider a visit!

Ci-Traveler

Face 7
Body is tight with B-cup natural 7
Service attitude 9 willing to please

Islay
04-06-07, 19:45
Reports a while back on Ivy mentioned Chinese girls. But from what I know of AMPS in the area they all are Korean. The reports on Tokyo and Sun mention only Koreans.
Is it possible there are any Chinese? For me I speak the language so it can make a difference.

I personally don't remember a Chinese girl at Ivy. I know currently there is only Korean girls at Ivy.

Islay
04-10-07, 11:00
Visited Sunshine recently due to the lack of rotation elsewhere. Was pleased to meet Coco. Mid to late twenties. She's probably about 5'1", black straight hair down past her shoulders in the "layered" style. She's cute without being beautiful, a slightly round face that somehow avoids being chubby. She has very dark deep eyes, probably as deep of eyes as I've seen at an amp. Below her right cheek bone is an odd, thin hook-like scar that you can't seen until you're up close. Natural top, about medium sized and inviting. As mentioned she's not chubby but just barely. I could see her being smoking hot with a little daily exercise. Her shortish legs lead up to her persistently clenched buttocks, I swear she was squeezing the entire time. She's physically attractive but not breath-taking. Worth a visit but not a trip.

She has poor english skills. However conversation is not why I am here. I'll note that most of the time she'd start something in english and trail off into korean. Confusion reigned. She spoke with the sharp stabbing cadence that the korean language evokes from their mouths, though still in an odd cute way. Her body language in general is cute and flirty, she more then once playfully threatened to bonk me on the head (hard to explain) and pouted often.

Ahh a table shower, something I still wish Ivy offered. And the shower was actually administered by Coco; Tokyo in my latest experience offered shower via the mamasan. Nothing spectacular about the first shower, but everything was done right. The shower after she ran water over my shoulders while massaging, a nice touch.

She wanted $.2, took $ but made me "promise" $.2 next time. Mind you it will be $ next time. She aimed to please but wouldn't let me finish how we started. I'm becoming progressively more irritated with girls that want to finish with a handshake. She went through more than the regular motions, but lacked the depth of Jennifer at Ivy or the heat of Yumi (was at Ivy).

Overall I can recommend, though she's not someone to go out of your way for.

Islay
04-17-07, 14:22
Paula is back at Ivy.

Mr Dang
04-17-07, 18:43
Went to Toyko, had "happy". Although I can swear I've had her before under a different name. Vey short, lets say 4-11, cute black dress but probably about a 6 in appearance. She has a Mickey Mouse tattoo over right breast, and a whole vine type tattoo across her lower abs. Mamasan gave me my table shower, and I really don't mind that as she washes my hair and works over my ass/cock pretty well. Someday I'll have to spring a hard-on for her)(LOL). Anyway, after solo sauna time "happy" came and got me. Massage was good. Very good. Lots of oil, tho. Standard fees, and the therapy was fine. Tiny, tiny gal!

Love the Tits
04-17-07, 22:43
The tiny "Happy" at Tokyo sounds like "Yumi" from last summer. She's fun. Had her while passing through town last July and she has a nice body with decent tits and is very active. Lame massage, extras for all but greek. Loves DATY, 69, cowgirl and reverse cowgirl, doggie. BBBJ to start and finsih was acceptable on her face. She has a tendancy to work fast and get you off quick so be sure to slow her down a bit.

Overall, nice girl and worth a spin.

Love the Tits
04-17-07, 22:53
My bad.

Happy must be Chi Chi. What a little package of dynamite.

Broome333
04-29-07, 13:18
I have seen several posts on this and other threads where the poster talks about negotiating fees and never paying more than a certain amount for a given service. While I agree with the premise that not paying over a certain amount has the effect of keeping prices lower across the board and allows more visits for the same money spent, I wonder what effect it has on performance or attitude. Keeping in mind that we are not haggling over the price of a product with a predefined level of quality but rather a service that can vary widely in value. While many factors play into how much that service is worth (appearance, availability, location) in my opinion the attitude of the provider is the key factor. Also keeping in mind that these negotiations generally take place before the service is provided (at least in my experience) unless you are dealing with a provider who you have seen before (in which case the price is usually established without need for negotiation). My question is if you agggresively negotiate a price much lower than the provider requests are you shooting yourself in the foot on the level of service you can expect? I know that few of these girls are going to let money walk out the door and most will ultimately accept what is offered in order to make something out of the time they have invested, but if she feels that you are underpaying will she offer less effort? I think that is often the case. I have noticed that many of the posts that report poor, lackluster or just okay service also report aggresively negotiating a lower than normal price paid. The way I work it is to do my research on here to establish the going price and then go from there. I ask the provider what she wants for the service then usually offer 20 below that. Normally there is no problem and I usually get good service. The exception was a provider that wanted in the neighborhood of 180 (no way I would pay that much) and I countered with 120. I ended up paying 140 (the max amount I usually am willing to pay) and got lousy service. This seems to prove my theory. In my opinion it is better to pay what the provider wants or at least close to it. The service still may not be great, but it will be better than if she is pissed that she wasted her time with a cheapskate. Anyone else care to share their thoughts?

Greg Carter
04-29-07, 17:45
I very rarely get an attitude or less than expected service. I think this is due to two things 1) when she leaves to do whatever it is she does i lay the tip on the table/nightstand (no discussion ever-tip for time/service) and the am laying face down on the massage table when she comes back 2) i get friendly with her and think that i am somewhat easy/fun to talk with during the massage and to whomever else is around that i see. This is true if language isn't an issue - and then i think negotation is also hard for her anyway. Being well groomed and mannered are also some things we can control that may influence the scenario i just outlined.
Finally, i would suggest (and enjoy) trying to give her a little bang for her buck so to speak (can't hurt and trying to improve is something we should all be striving for no matter how good we are! lol).

I'd be interested in hearing from others on this who have routines or get decent service most of the time (there are always the rare exceptions).

Play safe,
Greg



I have seen several posts on this and other threads where the poster talks about negotiating fees and never paying more than a certain amount for a given service. While I agree with the premise that not paying over a certain amount has the effect of keeping prices lower across the board and allows more visits for the same money spent, I wonder what effect it has on performance or attitude. Keeping in mind that we are not haggling over the price of a product with a predefined level of quality but rather a service that can vary widely in value. While many factors play into how much that service is worth (appearance, availability, location) in my opinion the attitude of the provider is the key factor. Also keeping in mind that these negotiations generally take place before the service is provided (at least in my experience) unless you are dealing with a provider who you have seen before (in which case the price is usually established without need for negotiation). My question is if you agggresively negotiate a price much lower than the provider requests are you shooting yourself in the foot on the level of service you can expect? I know that few of these girls are going to let money walk out the door and most will ultimately accept what is offered in order to make something out of the time they have invested, but if she feels that you are underpaying will she offer less effort? I think that is often the case. I have noticed that many of the posts that report poor, lackluster or just okay service also report aggresively negotiating a lower than normal price paid. The way I work it is to do my research on here to establish the going price and then go from there. I ask the provider what she wants for the service then usually offer 20 below that. Normally there is no problem and I usually get good service. The exception was a provider that wanted in the neighborhood of 180 (no way I would pay that much) and I countered with 120. I ended up paying 140 (the max amount I usually am willing to pay) and got lousy service. This seems to prove my theory. In my opinion it is better to pay what the provider wants or at least close to it. The service still may not be great, but it will be better than if she is pissed that she wasted her time with a cheapskate. Anyone else care to share their thoughts?

Broome333
04-29-07, 22:55
Greg,
Good points, being clean, well groomed and friendly no doubt make the experience more pleasant for the provider and improve the chances of a good experience for the buyer. That was actually one of the "other factors" I had in mind. I have rarely been comfortable with simply leaving the tip on the table unless I am on a return visit with an established provider that I have personal experience with. IMHO when dealing with a new provider it is preferable to establish what is expected and what is available before any money is brought into the conversation. I personally don't like the tought of a provider disappearing out the door with $-$.20 and then announcing HJ only. Call me naive but it is only recently that I have given any thought to the idea that some providers might like to get theirs in the session. I spent years thinking they were there for the money alone and just did my business and left. Since I have tried otherwise I have found that most times it does make for a better experience if you help get her into it. I still can't bring myself to DATY with a provider though. No offense to anyone who may have proceeded me in an AMP but you never know what was in there just a few minutes before you showed up.


I very rarely get an attitude or less than expected service. I think this is due to two things 1) when she leaves to do whatever it is she does i lay the tip on the table/nightstand (no discussion ever-tip for time/service) and the am laying face down on the massage table when she comes back 2) i get friendly with her and think that i am somewhat easy/fun to talk with during the massage and to whomever else is around that i see. This is true if language isn't an issue - and then i think negotation is also hard for her anyway. Being well groomed and mannered are also some things we can control that may influence the scenario i just outlined.
Finally, i would suggest (and enjoy) trying to give her a little bang for her buck so to speak (can't hurt and trying to improve is something we should all be striving for no matter how good we are! lol).

I'd be interested in hearing from others on this who have routines or get decent service most of the time (there are always the rare exceptions).

Play safe,
Greg

Greg Carter
04-30-07, 20:31
Couple of other thoughts. 1) i always go and am the first customer of the day (for some reason i like to know she has recently showered and hasn't had anything else since at least 8 hours ago!). 2) The money on the table is mine but left so you can see how much. It never fails that they do not simply pick it up (i have not given permission). They say what else? and i gesture and that is it. At that time if there is any indication of more (usually a pouty lip with head hanging and hand sticking out) i smile shake my head and say "sorry that is all i have". This has been fool proof for me so i'll stick with it. I do agree though that you should alway be careful and safe. 3) be the first customer of the day and give daty a try man! lol.

I'm starting to wonder about myself. I have posted twice in a row with out either being an actual report of success. I will be a superstar full veteran member in no time. Good discussion nonetheless.

Play safe,
Greg




Greg,
Good points, being clean, well groomed and friendly no doubt make the experience more pleasant for the provider and improve the chances of a good experience for the buyer. That was actually one of the "other factors" I had in mind. I have rarely been comfortable with simply leaving the tip on the table unless I am on a return visit with an established provider that I have personal experience with. IMHO when dealing with a new provider it is preferable to establish what is expected and what is available before any money is brought into the conversation. I personally don't like the tought of a provider disappearing out the door with $-$.20 and then announcing HJ only. Call me naive but it is only recently that I have given any thought to the idea that some providers might like to get theirs in the session. I spent years thinking they were there for the money alone and just did my business and left. Since I have tried otherwise I have found that most times it does make for a better experience if you help get her into it. I still can't bring myself to DATY with a provider though. No offense to anyone who may have proceeded me in an AMP but you never know what was in there just a few minutes before you showed up.

Broome333
04-30-07, 20:41
Reports that contain info other than you can find this girl at this location can still have their usefulness. Also I would love to be the first customer of the day, but with a 2 hr drive to get anywhere worthwhile it is not all that easy. I usually end up getting there mid day or early afternoon. For some reason I assumed that if the tip was left out that would be the first thing the provider would go for. Thanks again for the opinion. I can't believenoone else took the opportunity to put there 2 cents in.


Couple of other thoughts. 1) i always go and am the first customer of the day (for some reason i like to know she has recently showered and hasn't had anything else since at least 8 hours ago!). 2) The money on the table is mine but left so you can see how much. It never fails that they do not simply pick it up (i have not given permission). They say what else? and i gesture and that is it. At that time if there is any indication of more (usually a pouty lip with head hanging and hand sticking out) i smile shake my head and say "sorry that is all i have". This has been fool proof for me so i'll stick with it. I do agree though that you should alway be careful and safe. 3) be the first customer of the day and give daty a try man! lol.

I'm starting to wonder about myself. I have posted twice in a row with out either being an actual report of success. I will be a superstar full veteran member in no time. Good discussion nonetheless.

Play safe,
Greg

Neverenuf
04-30-07, 23:22
Broome, For what it's worth, I'll kick in my two cents. I didn't before because one, I'm only an occasional guest of these ladies and two, Greg Carter is plain dead on and I can mostly just add a hearty "Yeah, what he said".

My first experiences were overseas and the system in the states operates very differently. Using advice gained on this forum I have adopted a method very similar to Greg Carter's. I take only what I will spend into the place, I lay it under my keys on the nightstand and have never had a provider even try to make off with it. When she asks "what else? " I state I want everything and she takes the money. In my case the lady more often than not appears to not realize the money is there and asks for her tip, at which point I motion to it on the table. So far I've never had a lady complain about the amount up front, I offer standard rates, and only once have even had a polite request for more after the session. That incident coincided with others reports here of a push to raise the price and a general feeling that we should hold the line, which I did. I simply pointed out she had gotten all I had and let her look in my pockets which were intentionally empty of anything at all. Hard to argue for more when it's so clearly just not there. Others also held their ground and the rates returned to normal. I see where you're coming from in thinking more cash will buy more, but I don't believe it. I pay for a good and willing attitude when I pay their standard rate. I offered a hidden Jackson to one lady one time, because her massage was one of the best I've ever had anywhere, her overall service was better than I ever hoped for, and while dressing I noticed that from the time I walked in and was greeted by mamasan until I was dressing to depart, about an hour and a half had passed. I felt she deserved the extra tip, but I honestly doubt that she worked that hard in hopes. Either she was enjoying things, she wanted to really excell at her duties, or she was just a sweetheart. In any case, you can always offer more later. That way they know why they got it, and aren't as tempted to expect everyone to pay that amount. And you aren't as at risk of getting ripped off.

Islay
05-01-07, 14:15
My limited experience with providing more than the standard rates has yet to "pay off." Each of the maybe three girls in all the past few years that I have test drove, came back with the extra bills that the girl said would provide a better experience, and each girl provided an experience comparable to the previous visit. I would not say that you will never have a better time with more bills, I'm pointing out that (in my experience) extra cash does not necessarily equal a better experience. I wish it did, but each "experiment" I brought along the exact quoted enhanced price. Each experiment did not prove successful. Am I bitter? Nope, just a little smarter for experience.

My all time best amp experiences were with girls that accepted the standard rate (and as memory serves never asked for more) and with who I had developed a tentative rapport. So whether you like it or not, a better experience in my opinion is earned over time. That's bad news to those of us who drive long distances or who prefer variety, but there it is. My all time best girl was out of the box hot (i.e. first time), so sometimes you can get lucky.

Here's a different angle on the "should I bring more bills for a better experience" question. What if an amp/town develops a reputation for customers who only pay "X" rates for services? The girls do talk, do know somewhat where they're going, and do have access to other girls opinions and experiences. If a smoking hot provider knows she can get .4 to .8 more at Boomtown rather than Piptown, market laws will guide the most desirable girls towards the higher profits. I've heard/read that Cali and NY have a high percentage of top quality providers, which I can only assume is because they can command higher rates in those areas.
==As a side note, since the cost of living in C.I. is lower than most areas of Cali and NY, wouldn't that offset things? Dunno.==
Anyway it would seem that if B/N is known as a less profitable venue, then B/N will attract the B squad if you will.

My opinion on the above. If you've watched the talent that's come through B/N over the past 4 years, you'll know that we've had our share of beautiful girls, many who've returned after "vacations." So B/N does seem to do fine with respect to the quality of the girls. Why is this? I'd venture a few guesses. 1) In general the men from this area are less "pushy" than men from NY or LA. I say pushy because I can't think of another word for it, but I bet you all know what I mean. In short they may think we're easier to get along with. 2) Some girls may prefer a quiet town. B/N is about as quiet a town as you will find with comperable facilities and per capita wealth. 3) Central IL is a good distance away from the girl's "homes." Most amp girls claim to be from Cali or Georgia or NY, which may be their current permanent address (most I believe originally hail from Korea). Anyway the distance means they will not see Joe or Jane from down the block walk in for services. I've known strippers who live in Champaign but danced in Peoria/elsewhere because they didn't want their professors coming in to see them. So the virtual anonymity a home away from home provides could be another factor. 4) As previously stated, C.I. is not a terribly expensive place to live compared to other parts of the USA, especially when the girls are normally living on or near the premises.

If you really think you've found a girl that will step up the experience SIGNIFCANTLY for extra compensation, make your best judgement call (after researching her first). If you do this, let us know your experiences. In general I'm against paying more/raising the expected rates mainly because I live near, can visit as I please, and would not want to visit 4 times for the price of 5 or whatever. I just don't see it being worth while.

Broome333
05-02-07, 10:23
It seems my theory doesn't hold water. Perhaps I am being a bit to cynical and paranoid. Since my visits are usually 2-3 apart and I like to shop around a bit for variety, I am rarely a repeat customer. This usually means that I am either relying on advice from here or taking a shot in the dark which is a reason I like to be careful. It sucks to have to wait a couple months for my next chance after a disappointing visit. Thanks to those that gave their opinion.


My limited experience with providing more than the standard rates has yet to "pay off." Each of the maybe three girls in all the past few years that I have test drove, came back with the extra bills that the girl said would provide a better experience, and each girl provided an experience comparable to the previous visit. I would not say that you will never have a better time with more bills, I'm pointing out that (in my experience) extra cash does not necessarily equal a better experience. I wish it did, but each "experiment" I brought along the exact quoted enhanced price. Each experiment did not prove successful. Am I bitter? Nope, just a little smarter for experience.

My all time best amp experiences were with girls that accepted the standard rate (and as memory serves never asked for more) and with who I had developed a tentative rapport. So whether you like it or not, a better experience in my opinion is earned over time. That's bad news to those of us who drive long distances or who prefer variety, but there it is. My all time best girl was out of the box hot (i.e. first time), so sometimes you can get lucky.

Here's a different angle on the "should I bring more bills for a better experience" question. What if an amp/town develops a reputation for customers who only pay "X" rates for services? The girls do talk, do know somewhat where they're going, and do have access to other girls opinions and experiences. If a smoking hot provider knows she can get .4 to .8 more at Boomtown rather than Piptown, market laws will guide the most desirable girls towards the higher profits. I've heard/read that Cali and NY have a high percentage of top quality providers, which I can only assume is because they can command higher rates in those areas.
==As a side note, since the cost of living in C.I. is lower than most areas of Cali and NY, wouldn't that offset things? Dunno.==
Anyway it would seem that if B/N is known as a less profitable venue, then B/N will attract the B squad if you will.

My opinion on the above. If you've watched the talent that's come through B/N over the past 4 years, you'll know that we've had our share of beautiful girls, many who've returned after "vacations." So B/N does seem to do fine with respect to the quality of the girls. Why is this? I'd venture a few guesses. 1) In general the men from this area are less "pushy" than men from NY or LA. I say pushy because I can't think of another word for it, but I bet you all know what I mean. In short they may think we're easier to get along with. 2) Some girls may prefer a quiet town. B/N is about as quiet a town as you will find with comperable facilities and per capita wealth. 3) Central IL is a good distance away from the girl's "homes." Most amp girls claim to be from Cali or Georgia or NY, which may be their current permanent address (most I believe originally hail from Korea). Anyway the distance means they will not see Joe or Jane from down the block walk in for services. I've known strippers who live in Champaign but danced in Peoria/elsewhere because they didn't want their professors coming in to see them. So the virtual anonymity a home away from home provides could be another factor. 4) As previously stated, C.I. is not a terribly expensive place to live compared to other parts of the USA, especially when the girls are normally living on or near the premises.

If you really think you've found a girl that will step up the experience SIGNIFCANTLY for extra compensation, make your best judgement call (after researching her first). If you do this, let us know your experiences. In general I'm against paying more/raising the expected rates mainly because I live near, can visit as I please, and would not want to visit 4 times for the price of 5 or whatever. I just don't see it being worth while.

Broome333
05-05-07, 11:40
Went to Ivy earlier this week and decided to give the money on the table method a try. When I got there they didn't seem very busy and I didn't hear anyone else come in during the hour and about ten minutes I was there. I was led to the larger room at the front of the house, my first time in that room. Asked Jennifer who was working and was told Paula and Julie. I had seen Paula before and decided to go with her again because I couldn't remember what I had read about Julie and didn't want to waste a rare opportunity. Looking back at some posts looks like I would have been okay with either choice. After handing the door fee to Jennifer, I left the other $ I brought in on the table and went to the shower. Had to shower alone in a regular tub shower with no offer of any help. Back in the room I waited a few minutes for Paula to show up. The massage was rather short and not very good compared to others. She rubbed on the back of my body for maybe 15 mins, then asked if I wanted anything else. Perhaps since I had seen her before she assumed that I wasn't there for the massage and wanted to get down to business. Since I have come to enjoy the massage almost as much as the extras, I considered saying I wanted the rest of the massage I paid for, but since I wasn't getting alot out of it anyway decided to let that go and told her I wanted everything. She did in fact act suprised to see her tip laying on the table after I pointed it out to her, even though I am sure she saw it since I was keeping an eye on her and the money to see her reaction. She accepted the money offered with no complaint or any discussion at all. After a little playing around and a short CBJ, we moved on to multiple positions. Not the best I have had, but worth the money. If you like small girls I would recommend Paula. She is probably 5 feet tall and less than 100 pounds with a very tight body in every sense of the word, not bad in the face but not perfect either. She seemed to enjoy herself or at least put on a good act. All in all I wouldn't turn her down if she was all that was available, but after 2 visits I am ready to move on to new experiences. I am looking forward to seeing Megan after all the comments on her looks and wouldn't mind checking out Julie either after rereading some of the posts on her.

Broome333
05-05-07, 11:47
While I was reading back in some of the posts on the thread, I saw one that described Julie as being Chinese. I'm pretty sure that is where this question came from and after meeting her earlier this week can say for sure that she is in fact Korean, which I'm sure most knew anyway but figured I would point out before anyone wasted their time looking for something that never was there in the first place. Been there, done that, didn't have fun.


I personally don't remember a Chinese girl at Ivy. I know currently there is only Korean girls at Ivy.

Ci-Traveler
05-06-07, 07:59
While I was reading back in some of the posts on the thread, I saw one that described Julie as being Chinese. I'm pretty sure that is where this question came from and after meeting her earlier this week can say for sure that she is in fact Korean.........

Interesting post. According to Jennifer, who owns the place, Julie hasn't been at Ivy for over a month. Only Jennifer and Paula have been there this past week.

ci-traveler

Broome333
05-06-07, 08:47
I'm not sure what the implication of your post is, but I was at Ivy Wednesday and was offered either Paula or Julie. I chose Paula. While I wasn't introduced by name, I saw another Korean girl sitting at the table in the kitchen on my way out who I assumed was Julie since no one else seemed to be around. Since I had not seen her before I couldn't say for sure that is who it was. I briefly spoke with her, Jennifer and Paula on the way out. I have no idea why Jennifer tell you that Julie wasn't there, but that is what happened.


Interesting post. According to Jennifer, who owns the place, Julie hasn't been at Ivy for over a month. Only Jennifer and Paula have been there this past week.

ci-traveler

Ci-Traveler
05-07-07, 09:48
I'm not sure what the implication of your post is.......

There is no implication. I simply reported what I knew then. Now I know more. I found it interesting that Julie was there (according to you) but that Jennifer had said only she and Paula were there. Could have been that Julie was very busy......or hadn't arrived...........could have been anything.

ci-traveler

Islay
05-07-07, 12:59
Jennifer told me last weekish that Julie would be returning soon. I haven't been to Ivy in a little over a week.

Brezje
05-10-07, 22:18
Went to Ivy's today as I was passing thru town. Got a great body rub and some extras from Julie for a few sawbucks. Well worth the stop.

Qwick
06-05-07, 16:06
Went to Sunshine yesterday and meet with coco. Lots of play in the shower but very rushed in the room. Massage was lame would only do one f/s position with very little touching. It was my biggest amp let down yet.

Ci-Traveler
06-06-07, 15:09
Went to Sunshine yesterday and meet with coco. Lots of play in the shower but very rushed in the room. Massage was lame would only do one f/s position with very little touching. It was my biggest amp let down yet.

I'm sorry I didn't post sooner - about my experience with this girl. I know that Islay liked her - but wouldn't go out of his way for her - but my experience (both times!!!) was dismal at best.

What you described is what my second session was like. My first session was a little better - a couple of weeks earlier. My only reason for returning was that I thought that there was a new girl there - but it turned out to be coco. Bummer.

The girl that answers the door is even worse.

If Sun knew how bad these girls were, she might consider getting better help. But because she owns both Sunshine and a Sunshine in Indiana, my guess is that she spends more time in Indiana hoping both make enough $ to pay for her very expensive car.

ci-traveler

Islay
06-06-07, 15:33
Coco was fine for me, but she's not tempted me back. I can see that repeat business would probably not enhance future sessions.

I've not looked back on past reviews for a while, but Lee at Tokyo spa is another decent experience. Cute 30's-ish with enhanced top and tight all around. Again nothing to travel for, but not bad. I'd visit again, she had the grip of an 18 year old.

It's been Julie/Rose/Jennifer at Ivy for a bit now. I'd like to see a new face thrown in the mix, and hopefully will knowing their history.

Golden Spa...?

Qwick
06-07-07, 10:17
Ci- Traveler,

I think you are right. 5 weeks go when I was their I had Coco. My time with her was alot better but Sun was their.

Bababooey1976
06-10-07, 13:47
Am thinking about making the two hour drive from the QC for some AMP action. Can anyone tell me whats looking good down there now. Went to Golden about a year ago (only one I could find on the fly), and was wondering if there was something better.

Islay
06-16-07, 06:10
The other girl currently at Tokyo is Jay, mid-thirties, slightly brownish hair that she had pulled up, maybe 5', attractive face and what looked to be an enhanced top but felt mostly natural. Tight body, more fit than thin. When I saw her walking the hall after my sauna I thought she was Connie from 2 years ago. The service wasn't as thorough as Connie was, but was very enjoyable. She provided a decent massage with backwalking, her service was quite thorough and unrushed. The entire time at Tokyo I was made to feel very welcome.

Jay is recommended.

Greg Carter
06-18-07, 21:01
So i go to Tokyo. The mamasan says come back in 20 minutes we are busy (not a single car in the lot!). SO i leave and say to hell with it ill head to IVY. So i get there and they take me up to a room upstairs. I sit there dressed. They come up about 10 minutes and take me to the usual room. Ther person i am with is Julie. First time i have seen her. Leaving money on the table she gets up in middle of massage takes money and runs out of room and says she will be back. She comes back after about 5 minutes and begins massaging again. She is not allowing much and i am begining to get worried as my usual moves aren't paying off as i said they do in previous posts. It eventually worked out but she was not accommodating at all. I appeared that she was tyring way too hard to impress me which in the long run ended up with the two of us trying to read each other and fumbling around like a couple of teenagers.

Just an all around wierd day with the AMPs.

Islay
06-20-07, 15:29
That's odd about Julie. She probably has the best english skills of any amp girl I've known, and I've never had a problem getting the point across with her. I'll note that I was a regular there long before I met her so I may have had that advantage. Hopefully you at least had a decent massage.

On an urge I visited Tokyo again. No waiting, but the mamasan still gave me the table shower. I have to say that I 1000% prefer the girl to provide that service, I see it as all apart of the package. Anyway I saw Jay again. I find her to be enjoyable company and quite service oriented, helping me with my socks/shoes/shirt after the show. I'd say she might be worth a trip.

Islay
06-26-07, 14:03
Another new girl at Tokyo, she said she started yesterday. Tina is mid-late twenties, long straight black hair with a splash of brown, large chest and tight body with a round ass and long legs. She said she is japanese, though I can't tell. She's probably a 9 on the amp scale for looks.

Ok massage, Ok session. Afterwards she hinted strongly that next time could be better, that's fine with me as elsewhere it seems like the rotation has stopped. Tina is worth a visit in my opinion.

I think it's still Rose and Julie at Ivy.

MC2101
06-29-07, 09:04
I found myself dispatched to Bloomington Thursday evening. Before leaving Chicago I checked the Board and made a few quick notes. Visited Tina the new girl at Toyko. At the intro I noted that she must be new, Her reply "you a regular". A very enjoyable session followed thanks to the contributors to this board.

Bill420
07-02-07, 01:50
Is Megan at Ivy still in town? I saw her back around February but I haven't been back to Ivy since. She gave my best ever AMP experience for both looks and service, but I had to pay over the usual. She hasn't been mentioned lately, I suspect she's gone.

I am pretty happy with Tokyo. The people are usually friendly, and I love the table shower. (It would be so great if the massage girl would give the table shower, though!) The girls never object to the standard $ tip. However, on my last visit I was rushed through because they were busy, and the service from Lee was uninspired.

Islay
07-02-07, 18:13
Megan unfortunately rotated out a while ago and hasn't returned. I'd like to see her back. Current at Ivy is Rose and Julie.

Voodoo Chile
07-06-07, 11:56
Megan unfortunately rotated out a while ago and hasn't returned. I'd like to see her back. Current at Ivy is Rose and Julie.

I think Megan is gone for good. I was told there were too many complaints from the customers, and she was sent packing. Never had a session with her myself, so I don't have anything more to add.

Voodoo

Seriff
07-21-07, 04:10
I have been reading this board and I am confused on the money short hand being used. I see $.2,$.6,.$.4 being interchanged for $60? and $40? and larger hundred dollar amounts and for "number" of twenties. So please help me out. What is the "standard" tip for FS at the Bloomington AMP's? I wouldn't want to over pay. Thanks

Islay
07-21-07, 21:25
The amps in Bloomington charge $60 for an hour massage. Ben Franklin can negotiate a tip if you please. The girl may also mention her acquaintance Andrew Jackson, but I'd keep him at home. I'm fairly sure the shorthand is used mostly everywhere on these forums.

It's probably been about a year since this link has been posted here. It is STILL relevant, which is amazing.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/ampdude/newpage.html

Studdlyindec
07-24-07, 18:00
Hey guys,

I'm from Decatur, never been to any amps in Bloomington. Seen Ivy and Tokyo listed here. Just wanted to see what the best is and price for fs?

Mr Stinky
07-25-07, 14:28
Hey guys,

I'm from Decatur, never been to any amps in Bloomington. Seen Ivy and Tokyo listed here. Just wanted to see what the best is and price for fs?

Read the post below yours from Islay. Take time to RTFF. Saves a lot of time and unnecessary questions

Greg Carter
07-25-07, 14:42
....as of late in this topic. *sorry for the lack of "report" for this post (atypical of me), but my paranoid self is getting a bad vibe - careful*

Play safe,

Greg

Studdlyindec
07-25-07, 18:06
Greg, I'm not really sure why you think my thread is fishy? I think people on this blog believe cops are unable to read. Any cop can do a search and find this website. Hell I'm sure many cops are reading this right now, but they act oblivious to amps when they put on the uniform. Everyone in Decatur knows what goes on at Kiku, everyone knows they got busted a few years back. I'm a young guy, how did you think I find this website? I heard about Kiku getting busted, so I did a search for "massage parlors" and found this site. I'm a newbie who was looking to go outside of Decatur for some fun. If you think using abbrevations all the time in your text is throwing cops off your wrong. Any one can looking up abbrevations, hint me using fs in my previous thread. The first time on this site, it took me 15 minutes to find out everything that goes on at amps and with sw. I think people need to lighten up, everyone thinks that the amps are going to get raided at any point in time. If it was such a risky business you would have NO amps.

-Studd

Greg Carter
07-26-07, 09:23
Greg, I'm not really sure why you think my thread is fishy? I think people on this blog believe cops are unable to read. Any cop can do a search and find this website. Hell I'm sure many cops are reading this right now, but they act oblivious to amps when they put on the uniform. Everyone in Decatur knows what goes on at Kiku, everyone knows they got busted a few years back. I'm a young guy, how did you think I find this website? I heard about Kiku getting busted, so I did a search for "massage parlors" and found this site. I'm a newbie who was looking to go outside of Decatur for some fun. If you think using abbrevations all the time in your text is throwing cops off your wrong. Any one can looking up abbrevations, hint me using fs in my previous thread. The first time on this site, it took me 15 minutes to find out everything that goes on at amps and with sw. I think people need to lighten up, everyone thinks that the amps are going to get raided at any point in time. If it was such a risky business you would have NO amps.

-Studd

I never mentioned your post Studd. But yours coupled with others make me a little suspicious. As you were able to learn everything there is needed to know about amp and sw, pease take another 15 minutes and read this thread and last year's thread. To answer your question so we don't have to add another needless post in this thread and perhaps cut down the search time to less than 15 minutes in the future, you will find good and pretty comperable service at both places for the standard .60 entrance fee and standard 1. fs fee.

Happy hunting to you and play safe,
Greg

Islay
07-26-07, 10:24
I agree with Greg's cautionary opinion on this board's posts. The best, but not easiest, solution to most questions is to research the board. It may be tedious to read at times but questions you did and did not have will be answered.

Also, in regard to abbreviation and allusion, that I believe sprung up on this board around 2003. If you read back that far, you'll see that Tokyo did (very unfortunately) have a bust. At that time the posts on this board were fairly explicit, and I'm fairly certain that the nature of some acts described may have contributed to the crack down. I do not blame anyone and I don't wish to insult anyone; I believe that we received a valuable lesson. I think we learned a bit of restraint, and the idea that we on this board at least should "keep our heads down" the best we can is currently the most prudent policy. Other boards have their own style that has grown in their own context, the Bloomington board is the same way.

If you visit, let us know what you think.

Studdlyindec
07-26-07, 13:48
Hey guys,

Thanks for being understandable about my ignorance to these kinds of forums. I haven't read all the threads out there, and I apologize for my laziness in doing so. Islay you gave me some very good insight and I do appreciate it and respect the game more, thanks.

Studd

Dzugash
07-31-07, 20:11
Hey guys,

I'm from Decatur, never been to any amps in Bloomington. Seen Ivy and Tokyo listed here. Just wanted to see what the best is and price for fs?I would like some more info on Ivy too. Mostly if you have been there, would you go back. Real stories are always good too.

Ci-Traveler
08-01-07, 15:10
Some of you may recall that I boycotted Tokyo for many months - in fact nearly a year. This was because of the poor treatment I received by one girl.

Ownership changed, and so I have been returning once a month.

Right now, Tina and Happy are working. Happy was a standout about a year ago - almost a GFE with DFK, DATY, and BBBJ before CFS. Recommended.

Tina has been at Tokyo for about two months. My experience with her this past week was simply fantastic - BBBJ followed by covered FS in a multitude of positions. Recommended - especially if it is your second time.

At IVY -

Rosie is on vacation, Julie is available. New girls coming this week.

ci-traveler

LuvtheLife
08-09-07, 20:22
Stopped in Tokyo today and received a good shower, massage, bbbj and cfs from Tina. I misread the last post thinking it was talking about Tina when it actually said Happy. Happy was there, but she is very small about 4'7" and I am 6'3". My check out Ivy later tonight or in the morning. You guy sshould enjoy this while you can. Louisville closed every AMP down a few years back, talk about a dead town now.

Satiating
08-10-07, 13:33
I stopped by Tokyo earlier in the month and things were pretty much as described by other people even though I had not been there before.

I have read a lot of discussion about how you should tell them you've been there before, but I've never lied about it. I say that I've not been here before but I have been to other places. If they ask where, then I can share the locations.

I always opt for the table shower if available. It was nice to be able to walk to the shower without having to put that stupid towel around yourself. Kim gave me the shower and she thorough covered all of the important areas although I would have liked to have seen the face washed. At one AMP in the South, I've even gotten the hair shampooed, which was a nice extra.

When we got back to the room, Kim told me about the girls, but I let her pick since I didn't really have a preference. She told me there were other girls if I didn't like that one and stressed to come back because she has more girls.

My masseuse was sent into the room for the massage and after drying me off some more, I laid down for the massage and she covered my butt with the towel. I almost told her it wasn't necessary, but I let it go to see what would happen.

There was about fifteen minutes of massage during which I would attempt to touch her, without being too obvious, when she was close enough to my hands. Those attempts seemed rebuked and so I relaxed and just tried to enjoy the massage. Then she started in with the soft touching. I was disappointed because I really could have used a good massage. She asked me to flip over and then without bothering to massage the front, wanted to know how much I was going to tip. All I had ever had before at an AMP was a HJ so I offered more than a normal HJ would bring, hoping for a nude one, but she said that would get me the HJ. Then she made a motion of pulling off her dress and so I thought she was saying she would get nude for more. She says two more Jacksons. I think that's kind of outrageous for a nude massage, but what the heck?

She left and came back quickly. It turns out that price wasn't for a nude hand job, although she definitely removed all of her clothing. We went through a couple of positions that seemed methodical and rote, so it was hard for me to get into. After she was worn out, she finished me off with the HJ.

The whole visit was about thirty minutes. I would rate the entire visit as mediocre at best.

Rico Forty
08-15-07, 17:27
I will be in Bloomington in a couple of weeks and looking to go to Tokyo Spa. Is it worth it and who should I see to give me a great time. You can PM me if you like.

Islay
08-23-07, 18:07
Visited Tokyo, at a time when it wasn't over-run. Tina was busy with someone else, which wouldn't have been a problem if Happy wasn't absent. I was greeted at the door by who would be my masseuse, a something about 40ish lady with past shoulder wavy black hair, a thin frame with soft smooth skin that belied her age everywhere except her face, and a face that reminded me of a skull (well that's hindsight talking at least).

I was downhearted because I've not had the chance to properly meet Happy, but hopefully she's only on vacation at the moment. The girl whose name I didn't bother to ask for lead me to the shower and provided the service. I don't think she had ever provided a table shower, here's why. In all my experiences with the wonderful table shower, first the table is splashed with a few pails of hot water, you're given a towel/pillow thing to rest your head on. You're on your stomach as the girl splashes more pails of hot water on your back before soaping you up, hitting all the areas. Then your rinsed, turned over, and repeated on the front. Rinse a final time, then the girl thoroughly dries you down to your feet. Lady X initially told me to lie down, I asked her to splash down the table to be "cleansed" as well as it normally is, and then she thought of a towel to lie my head on. She hit me with the water, soaped me quickly and told me to turn over, still soapy. Interested in this avant garde approach, I blindly followed her to a front soaping, then a rinsing. She managed to almost dry my right arm before she walked out, obviously I was to follow dripping wet through the carpeted hallway. I walked to the sauna, dried myself, and waited the standard sauna time to be fetched back to the room.

As my description may allude, I wasn't impressed by her physically. But I sat it out during a massage that fell short of passable. She was all smiles throughout, and tried her hand at small talk. Turn over time and she beamed at me, I ordered the cheapest selection on the menu, and her face fell to the "no you didn't just win the lottery" look I assume someone would get when they're told their dog just died. A lackluster and lifeless several minutes later I finished myself, was wiped up with the shower towel, and then finished with an almost luke warm hand towel. An "OK" and an its over look in her eye persuaded me to pick up my jeans. I was in and out in roughly half an hour. I will complain, especially if the place isn't busy, if my hour is not given to me, but I had no intention of sticking around. I was offered a dixie cup of water, which I refused, and was off on my way.

She was not attractive by the amp standard, though her body was ok. She might have provided a better time if I'd asked for the top shelf service, but I will not ever find out. If it was my money walking into the Tokyo, I would use it to ask for Tina. If Tina is not available (and Happy or another new girl isn't offered) I would walk away happy that I had the chance to visit another amp. YMMV, but I doubt it.

Mr Dang
08-24-07, 11:27
I went Tuesday. Awful. Gal greets me looking uninterested- I swear, she didn't smile the whole time, not once. We do the shower, she is so-so, then in the room she wants to know RIGHT THEN what I wanted and how much. No massage. I was stunned, and wasn't sure what I wanted because she was a b*tch. I opted for cheap HJ. "$80". HA! I countered with $40, and then said, "just a massage- no extras." She accepts $50, no clothing off, and the worst HJ of my life. Damn, damn, damn.

Won't go back until the coast is clear!

Islay
09-03-07, 08:50
New girl at Tokyo. Younger but thicker than the last one, did not get her name either. Opted for Tina.

Voodoo Chile
09-10-07, 01:53
New girl at Tokyo. Younger but thicker than the last one, did not get her name either. Opted for Tina.

The new girl is Sophia. Average in looks and performance. However, she is very sweet, and performance might improve with a repeat visit.

Voodoo

Qwick
09-10-07, 13:42
Stoped at SunShine Saturday and Sun was their. She has always been a fun time.The TS was great she had me work up. The message was so so but the fs was one of the best cg then mish on the side of the table dog on the table and finish with mish on the table. She popped twice. We both got cleaned up and talked for 10 minites. total just over 1 hr and standard fee

Prairieman
09-10-07, 19:06
Outstanding provider. During my first time, while she was still checking me out, she did the walk on my back, did some great work on my hands, which had been very dry due to the weather, and sang in her native language. Thought I had fallen in love! Then I remembered where I was.

Very good in all respects and very glad to hear of her return!

Shelby Ville
09-17-07, 19:02
Hello all

I'm in Bloomington on business for a few days and was wondering which AMP you can recommend. I've been to Golden in the past and it was awful. I've also been to Tokyo twice, once it was great, the other average. However both those trips were over a year ago and I don't remember the providers name. I was considering Ivy until I heard that they don't have a table shower which is half the fun of an AMP experience. I'm considering either visiting Tokyo again or trying Sunshine. I usually like some different services other than the "usual". Any recommendations you can make as to location and providers who like things a little different would be appreciated.

Ci-Traveler
09-18-07, 00:00
Hello all

I'm in Bloomington on business for a few days and was wondering which AMP you can recommend. I've been to Golden in the past and it was awful. I've also been to Tokyo twice, once it was great, the other average. However both those trips were over a year ago and I don't remember the providers name. I was considering Ivy until I heard that they don't have a table shower which is half the fun of an AMP experience. I'm considering either visiting Tokyo again or trying Sunshine. I usually like some different services other than the "usual". Any recommendations you can make as to location and providers who like things a little different would be appreciated.

Ivy is a good place to visit. Granted, their shower is a service yourself thing - although the girl has occasionally showered me anyway - but the massage and extras there are superior to the other places - especially if you haven't been there before and luck out with either Rosey or Julie.

They more than make up for the lack of a table shower.

Best,
ci-traveler

Greg Carter
09-21-07, 06:50
Saw Sophia a week ago today and will not be back to see her. I was her first client of the day and she simply was not into anything exciting. Kicked things off immediately with FS (mish only) and did not allow much of anything. Kept giving me the big eyes with a thumbs up (very distracting). Finished up and thought what the hell i could use a massage and got a 30 minute poor massage.

She introduced me to Tina on the way out. Tina looked like she had the jaw line of a horse, but her body in a little white dress looked like i would like to try her out. Probably won't be back until a new selection comes to town.

Play safe,
Greg

Ci-Traveler
10-07-07, 14:43
For those of you who remember Penny at Tokyo, she is now at Sunshine Spa. She's gained 15 lbs - which looks good on her. Tits are as nice as ever.

ci-traveler

Islay
10-09-07, 15:10
I didn't see CI's post about Penny, but still stumbled into a surprise recently. Her hair is also a bit longer, still looks great and fun to visit.

Qwick
10-10-07, 07:41
Stopped at Sunshine Saturday and meet Penny. God TS with alot of extra cleaning. The massage was just ok but the flip was outstanding she went the extra mile to meet my needs. I will repeat.

Total 1hr 15 min and a great ride

Rico Forty
10-21-07, 21:17
Anyone know where exactly Sunshine Spa is and is Sun the best one to go to and what do you get.

Turk1
10-22-07, 16:28
Anyone know where exactly Sunshine Spa is and is Sun the best one to go to and what do you get.OK guys RTFF - answer is already there - just read.

Dzugash
10-22-07, 18:26
Anyone know where exactly Sunshine Spa is and is Sun the best one to go to and what do you get. Take Veterans to GE road. Go west to Airport road. Make a right and then another right at the Casey's gas station. It is in a small industrial park on your left across from a sports restaurant. Pay attention, it is easy to miss.

I used to see Lilly. She was really good, but was gaining some pounds the last time I saw her (over a year ago). If I ever get back to BN, I will probably try it again.

Fishinforsome
10-24-07, 16:59
Went to the AMP on Ft Jesse. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. I don't know what I did wrong. They must have known it was my first visit. Any suggestions.

Neverenuf
10-27-07, 00:50
If you are referring to Golden Spa, I think the only thing you did wrong was pick this particular spa. As far as I know they've never offered extras. If anyone else has had luck there please correct me, but I can't remember one report claiming success at this place since I've been rtff.

Mr Kodi
10-28-07, 08:47
Went to the AMP on Ft Jesse. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. I don't know what I did wrong. They must have known it was my first visit. Any suggestions.This might help: http://www.vidmax.com/index.php/videos/view/3959

If this is not allowed I apologize. Its 100% SFW