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I guess this is one of the many new features of this software - and a welcome one!
I enjoy the dialog in the forum but I'm not an AMP person, I'm only into the street scene, so a more focused discussion will be perfect.
So I'll start the dialog now that Hizark has started the forum.
It's been DEAD lately. I was hoping with the warmer temps of the last few weeks they'd be out in drones.
Three nights ago, I found a prospect on Boulder south of Tropicana on the west side of the highway. I slowed down and she gave me the wave, but when I pulled around back she ignored me. I didn't want to pick up on Boulder out in the open, so I figured the alley was better. Guess she didn't agree. Or maybe it was her pimp?
I'm not exactly new to the street scene, but I've never picked up a girl when her pimp is nearby. What's the protocol? Do I try to get her to get in the car? Talk to the pimp first? Sorry for seeming like newbie questions, but after years of dealing only with girls, I've just never had the experience dealing with pimps and I'm too old to fumble my way through it.
My usual cruise is Tropicana/Industrial, then east on Tropicana all the way to Boulder Highway. South on Boulder and U-turn at Jokers Wild, all the way to downtown, shop Fremont area. Every now and then this old boy will head north into the area usually the topic of the TV show COPS: Las Vegas. I don't know why, I'm not into strung out SW and have never picked up from up there. Back to downtown, I shop Fremont again, then south on Boulder and west on Sahara. I have found girls walking the areas in front of the car lots on Sahara. I continue down to Paradise and U-Turn. There's a shopping center with the Green Door and I've had low-moderate luck in the surrounding neighborhood. Back to Boulder, U-turn at Jokers Wild again, and then I return down Tropicana to Industrial, look around some more and then on to home. It's a good 70-80 mile drive. Driving 70-80 miles and not finding anything just frustrates me. 70 miles of road that used to pay dividends and now you're lucky to find ANYTHING, let alone a cute one.
Anyone else with this level of street frustration? Wish me luck I'll be out there tonight.
TJ
Last summer I used to stop at Tacos Mexicana on Trop about 3am and when pulling out going west there would be this BSW (5'6"ish, nice shape) who didn't look too bad. Just wondering if anyone knew her and what her scene was. She actually looked too good for the area IMHO.
Still looking for 2 SWs in the DT/Main St. area. One is Katie, a young, kinda short WSW from Maryland. Very cute, used to hang near Main and Fremont and stay at the Plaza on occasion. Couldn't find her on my last few trips there. Don't know if she went back home, got locked-up, or worse.
The other is Jamey, a LSW, who hangs out on that street just north of the bus station in DT, three blocks north of Fremont. Picked her up at the 7-11 just north of the freeway, across from the taco place. She was staying a couple of blocks west of there, by Main. A little chunky, but very cute and very cool, with nice, big t*ts. She was living with her mom, who may also be a LSW, but not sure. Haven't been to Vegas since I last saw her. Hope she's still around.
On your question on picking up a SW when her pimp is around, I would have to say I never would even consider picking a girl up when her pimp is around. And definetly never would want to talk to the pimp first, chances are to high of getting robbed, mugged, beat up, or killed. Also her pimp could very well be mister LE and your now under arrest. Those are just my thoughts.
Gnome Out..
Desert Dude
04-25-05, 13:16
I agree with the Gnomester. Particularly in terms of letting him in your car. That said, I've had a few good finds thru the dudes/thugs/pimps. But it's always been thru my on-foot forays. Seems like some of the guys are psyched just to get the gal out of his room for awhile! Actually had one bsw come back to my room at 8am, after a midnight session, for some more, and didn't even ask for more cash! It's definitely hit or miss tho. My standard line with the dudes is...damn, where's all the bitches at? I will admit that the quality I've found this way has been a bit lacking.
Overall though, I agree that it's kinda slow out. LE has been fierce downtown. I'm not a car guy though, so don't know about lots of the other areas.
Poppen Rulez
04-25-05, 19:25
Well. I'm from Germany, usually stay in Vegas for some days in every year (to visit friends etc.). From what I`ve experienced - thats maybe a good info for all the other outsiders - the strip is hit or miss at it's best. Last year (in Spet.) I just watched one blonde girl with big titts at Mandalay Bay. It was already late and she was quickly approached by security. The rest of the night (it was Saturday !) - nothing. Well, I don't gamble that much, more walk and watch the strip/people...so maybe that's the reason ?!?
The year before I had kind of good luck. I stayed in one of the cheaper motels right across Luxor (they closed it in the meanwhile). And I tell ya: 3-4 girls (just average) stayed in the hotel and I was approached several times, good prices (60-80). One girl (6 of 10) had beaten them all by desperation - she needed mondy to go back to Detroit and gave me a fuck for 30 bucks. Maybe someone knows "Sassy"...she was kind of the leader of these girls....
So I think: To walk the strip is senseless, isn't it ? Maybe if you stay at some cheaper motels (near the strip), you'll have more luck. All the other areas are a big no-no for greenhorns, too dangerous.
Desert Dude
04-26-05, 11:21
So I think: To walk the strip is senseless, isn't it ? Maybe if you stay at some cheaper motels (near the strip), you'll have more luck. All the other areas are a big no-no for greenhorns, too dangerous.
Walking the Strip can sometimes be fruitful, particularly the pedestrian bridges on the South end. And, if you feel like a greenhorn and think there's lots of danger around lower income areas, then no, don't go there. Some folks in these areas can smell a scared rookie a mile off...
Was in vegas for business last week. Since I rented a car I did a lot of hunting. It seems that Vegas has cops on foot, on bikes, in suv's, and even on horses. I was in heavy traffic at the intersection of Sahara and the Boulder highway. While the light was red, LE rode between the cars looking down at your lap. I guess they were trying to catch cronic wankers.
It was about 5 PM. Nothing on Sahara, nothing on BW until the Budget hotel across from Sam's Town. About 10 SW's were working the area then returning to the motel. I pulled in and parked at the motel just to see if there was anything worth picking up. Nothing above a 4. Most were O's. I never saw one picked up. I was not surprised. They might have some luck after dark, with someone who is risking a DUI. Continued south on BH and just after the 4 aces I saw a nice thin tall blond (7). I came back to get a look at her face and she looked young and decent, at least a 7. But I was reluctant to pick her up right on the highway in full view in broad daylight. I found a place to pull in and wait, but she never showed. Returned west down BH and on to Freemont. Many fat BSW's until crossing the street in front of me was two dudes and a hot black girl (7) who gave me a huge smile. I thought one pimp is bad enough, but two? So I headed down LVB and worked the streets behind the Stratosphere. Saw a nice petit blond (8) in white pants walking south. She turned right (heading west) on Charlston and I was going to pull up and stop in front of her. It was now dark and not a lot of traffic. Then I looked in my rear view mirror and saw a marked LE car right behind me. Needless to say, I drove back to my hotel to calm down.
After about an hour and a smoke, I headed down to the Hard Rock Cafe and did soom Cruzing around the area. Spotted at least 4 or 5, 7-8's, but was unable to get in the right position due to all the dam traffic. Went to the full service strip club and got a HJ.
What the boy's in blue are looking for when they look at your lap are to see if you have an open container between your legs.
Be careful if anyone D&D in Vegas.
Two Nutts
In an area that has been dead for a while, i spotted a cute wsw on Sierra Vista between Swenson and D.I. I just don't like to pick up sw's any more, but I still like to look around if its not too far out of my way. I was on my way home and I passed by this girl and she gave me the "look." I turned around to get another look and she looked at me and shrugged her shoulders. I would bet anything that this was good p4p material. She was wearing loose jeans and a striped sweater and had headphones on. She looked a little bit in need of a shower or some form of clean up, but i've definately done worse. It's good to see things picking up. I'm hoping some day the streets of Las Vegas will be like the streets of Tijuana (yea right, but one can dream).
LB
Thanks for the advice on pimps...seems like some of the better looking girls can be found only near pimps, guess I'll just have to skip out on that treat. Plenty more to be had...
I'm going to check out Sierra Vista this weekend...if that previous poster is right this could get interesting, that used to be a good area.
TJ
SLightly off-topic but pimpy related and pretty funny.
In the early 80's a few of us from work hit one of the joints on Fremont. Wasn't the Atomic - might have been the Sundowner or Odyssey. The one guy we all never would've thought of doing this walks up to this one BMA of relative "street" influence & the BFA he was w/ at the bar and says, point blank - verbatim, "How much to fuck your old lady?". The BMA looks in amazement and replies "Say WHAT?!!!".
While the rest of us were discussing:
A-who would match up better after the fight/riot began
B-which one of us would be the last one out the door
our buddy worked a deal for $20...
I did not drive down Sierra Vista today after work as I was headed another direction. I think the fact that the street is not under construction anymore may increase the presence of sw's. There was a day and time when this was a good area (also around the Swenson and Twain areas and side streets). As always, watch out for the scum sucking LE.
LB
I learned of a new (to me) SW area all the way north up Las Vegas Blvd. through the city of North Las Vegas on the edge of Nellis Air Force Base around the triangle of north LV Blvd, Craig Rd, and Nellis Blvd. I'd never thought of going that far north until I saw an article in the Sunday Review-Journal provoked by a few local citizen activists. The R-J just might be the second most useful and accurate paper in the country for things that really matter to me, right after the Daily Racing Form. It's full of consumer friendly news I can use.
Here are a few selected excerpts from the May 1st R-J piece starting on page B1:
Jim Ferrari knows when it's lunchtime.
At 1 p.m. nearly every day, he says, the same hooker shows up on the sidewalk to solicit customers leaving the Mexican restaurant next to his car wash.
"It's the same people every day. It's the same prostitutes all the time," Ferrari said.
"It's been taken over by the homeless, the crackheads, the crack dealers, the prostitutes and the pimps. I have decided to do something about it. But, if that doesn't work, I am going to sell."
Harry Drake, owner of Harry's Dora Maria Restaurant, on the corner of Craig Road and Lamont Street, just west of Nellis Air Force Base, said he sees cars come and go at the crime-ridden Craigmont Villas condominium complex across the street.
Drake says some are buying drugs and others are looking for inexpensive prostitutes...
Craigmont Villas is one of the top three problem areas for police officers at the Las Vegas police Northeast Area Command. Police responded to calls at the complex 39 times in February.
The homeowners association at the complex has established a Neighborhood Watch group and has a security guard patrol the complex six evenings a week. The group is also considering setting up security cameras around the parking lot, said Shirley Jessup, secretary of the Craigmont Villas Homeowners Association.
Meanwhile, police have conducted sting operations at the complex and set up surveillance from rooftops of nearby businesses. But the crime hasn't stopped because the prostitutes and street dealers see the police coming or they disperse at first sight of a patrol car, residents of the complex said.
"The prostitutes patrol up and down all day, and they have a signaling system. When the police come on the property, you can hear the airwaves crackle with the cell phones," Jessup, 72, said. "They are blatant about it...
Complete article with a few photos and a very helpful map available from the Review-Journal online at:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/May-01-Sun-2005/news/26386338.html
Naturally, after reading this with my afternoon coffee I wasted no time hustling out there to find some of those "inexpensive prostitutes" who are getting the locals so lathered up, and the R-J's reporting did not disappoint me, as there were indeed plenty of sensibly priced hookers all around the area.
Sunday night about nine I started seeing working ladies as soon as I got north of Pecos Rd. In the blocks north of Pecos before Cheyenne Rd I saw one BSW and one HSW on the east side of LV Blvd. Continuing north then turning left onto Craig Road westbound just before reaching the edge of Nellis AFB I saw several more, and in about 45 minutes of shopping I saw SW activity all around Craig Rd and Nellis Blvd in the area to the west of LV Blvd.
The Four Aces bar seemed to be a particular hot spot. This is not to be confused with the Four Aces on Boulder Highway, which is sometimes a good spot to find a few trailer-trash tweaker gals. This Four Aces on Craig Rd plays hip-hop instead of Led Zeppelin on the jukebox and has housing project tweakers of a darker persuasion. In general I found the SWs in this area to be about eighty percent chocolate flavored, twenty percent jalapeno, and no vanilla. That suits my taste just fine, since I consider most blondes to be overpriced, overrated, overweight, lazy, and just generally a pain in the assets.
I finally settled on Nicole, a tall trim leggy black Puerto-Rican SW in a very nice short summer dress. She is twenty and is from San Diego, but comes up often on working vacations seeing relatives who live in the nearby housing project. She wanted a ride to meet Benjamin Franklin. This isn't the Strip or even San Diego honey, even if you do have a nice dress, and I usually prefer to introduce local girls to Andrew Jackson. We quickly agreed on the virtues of the administration of Ulysses S. Grant. She actually looked even better after losing that dress (no kids) and she was far above average in both skill and work ethic, and I thought her attitude was really pretty sweet for a pro. I was amazed to suddenly realize that she'd forgotten to collect her gift in advance. How often does that happen in Vegas? I was quite pleased with her and happy to remind her about Mr. Grant afterward. I don't give digits, so don't ask.
On Monday night about ten I made another trip out to the same Nellis/Craig triangle. On the way I saw an apparent HSW being shadowed by a NLVPD cruiser with it's lights blacked out on the east side of LV Blvd near the Opera House. On reaching the chocolate desert triangle I saw some major Metro activity (this is in unincorporated Clark County) in the parking lot of the Four Aces, and I don't like to get in the way of our civil servants performing their duties, so I haven't yet been inside the place. Swinging around on Nellis Blvd I scooped up Laqueesha or Shaneesha or whatever she was. She wasn't the lean leggy type that I prefer, but she did have a nice firm body, and after she expressed a desire to find three Jacksons we settled for half that. She did a fine job.
Happy hunting; be safe.
Regards
Wastrel
Wastrel,
Heading up there next month. Been a while since i've picked up a SW. Nice to know a different place to check out. Usually stuck with the usual places the last time I was there, mainly Fremont and all the way down Boulder Hwy. Got lucky with one from Arkansas last August, which was the last time I was able to pick up a SW. Got to check out the Sierra Vista block as I got lucky about two years ago there.
Thanks for all the info, keep it coming.
Phat gman
An area (up by Nellis/Opera House) that's rich with tradition and history. I wish they would just clean the cracks up a bit and leave the driving to us.
L V Whitey
05-06-05, 14:49
Well my friend Wastrel,
You have let the cat out of the bag. This has been my secret trolling area for some time now. I tried to tip off the guys on this board to this area a few months back. I have found this to be one of the last gems for decent bargain hunting. I usually visit only during daytime hours (as my office is close by). The girls in the area seem to be A LOT different than the typical Freemont HO. They are just trying to pay the rent and require much less maintenance. Lets try to be a little more low key. Maybe this secret spot may just survive.
LVW
Wastrel did not let any cats out of the bag. I have known about this area, just that I live near the 215 and Durango makes it very inconvenient. I have a friend in the Air Force who told me about one of the low ranking officers getting dishonorable discharge for solicitation in that area. The fact that it was in the paper lets the cat out of the bag more than anything.
On another note, I wish I had some better news regarding Sierra Vista. I cruised down that street the last three days and saw nothing twice and a disgusting fat bsw on Thursday. Next month I'm off to TJ.
LB
Desert Dude
05-09-05, 12:23
Don't sweat it Whitey, like bozo said, the RJ article could/might have a lot more impact than a few mongers cruising around. Saturday's tour included sightings on Trop/Industrial, Industrial and Stardust, LVB and 10th or so, and of course Fremont. Weather's warming up, and the outfits are getting skimpier. Gotta love it!
...this secret spot...I sympathize, as I did sort of get the feeling that the handy color coded SW map and guide leading page B1 above the fold of the R-J would draw more public attention than any of us might wish, but you never know, maybe everyone in Metro just reads the Sun and the Racing Form these days. It appears that they've been patrolling it pretty hard for quite a while, in any case, and I would definitely want to use all the most discrete SW cruising precuations up there, as well as be very wary of some of the not so neighborly hoods hanging around a few of those housing projects and watering holes in the wall.
...wish I had some better news regarding Sierra Vista.The last time I was successful in that neighborhood was about three or four weeks ago when a BSW walking on Sierra Vista toward Swenson flagged me down ONLY becuase she knows me and recognized me. I asked her about things in the 'hood and she confirmed my impression that Metro has actually been somewhat successful in suppressing a lot of the gang activity there. I find this amazing, since it is very hard to uproot that crap once it gets started.
On the other hand, she said she hardly goes out at all these days becuase she is afraid for her safety from unafiliated young street thugs committing stupid violent acts for dope money after she was robbed at gunpoint while getting into a taxi at the 7-11 a few weeks before. This is a very streetwise black woman in her 30s who is afraid to go out of her apartment, but I think she was feeling pretty traumatized about having a gun suddenly stuck in her mouth a few blocks from her home. For whatever it's worth, that's what a local resident had to say.
Poppen Rulez
05-19-05, 16:57
What I wonder a little bit about the streetwalker buisness is the obvious no-meaning of the world wide web. I mean I can understand that many of them are poor and stuff, but I think everybody of us looks first for the clean college/student girl coming to Vegas to make some money etc. So why - at least some - streetwalkers don't have email-addresses where u can make contact?
Walking the Strip can sometimes be fruitful, particularly the pedestrian bridges on the South end. And, if you feel like a greenhorn and think there's lots of danger around lower income areas, then no, don't go there. Some folks in these areas can smell a scared rookie a mile off...This couldn't be more true, and it is not restricted to the bridges. You can have good luck at many of the casino bars and on the strip.
I have tried to stay away from the other areas just because of the amount of LE presence lately. If you don't mind walking between the MGM and Bally's can really pay off too. Stay away from the Barbary coast though. For some reason they don't seem to care about the pimps that congregrate in front of their hotel, and so there seems to be a lot of them there.
The other plus to hanging out on the strip is the occasional chance that you may hook up with a regular girl who was looking to get lucky in the club and didn't. A few weeks back I was able to hook up with a girl that had a major fight with her boyfriend and wanted payback. Maybe a little risky in hindsight, but I am a big enough guy and she was hot enough to risk it.
I have had the best luck hooking up between 3am and 7am, and the better odds are always on the weekends between Fri. and Mon. morning. Just don't go spending more than $1.5 or you will ruin it for us locals. Don't be afraid to negotiate, especially as it gets later and there are more girls walking around.
Desert Dude
05-22-05, 17:13
What I wonder a little bit about the streetwalker buisness is the obvious no-meaning of the world wide web. I mean I can understand that many of them are poor and stuff, but I think everybody of us looks first for the clean college/student girl coming to Vegas to make some money etc. So why - at least some - streetwalkers don't have email-addresses where u can make contact?
That sure would be nice, but I agree, have never seen it. Bottom line, most of the SW's, at least that I've been around are typically crack ho's. Even those with phones only have minutes on them half of the time or so.
Now, if you bump up to the 100-200 range, there's gals with both phones and sometimes email.
Just my observations...
Westsideguy
05-23-05, 09:54
Haven't been to town for awhile. Coming back soon. Is the Atomic open?
USTraveller
05-23-05, 14:40
My understanding is the Atomic is open but not into the wee hours of the morning. I think they close at 10pm nowadays.
-USTraveller
Desert Dude
05-23-05, 18:23
My understanding is the Atomic is open but not into the wee hours of the morning. I think they close at 10pm nowadays.
-USTraveller
Might be 11 or 12 on Friday and Sat nite. Not at all like the old days, I'm told. I've lately been having a lot more luck in the Western, Fremont St, or Ogden. Gold Spike is trying to clean up, but it still has some action, if you can get past the initial 'hello' stage...
There was a great post in the forum from last year I believe, that pretty much detailed the how's & why's of the change in the Atomic.
Man - that used to be a great monger spot back in the day!
Now, if you bump up to the 100-200 range, there's gals with both phones and sometimes email.
I just got back from the strip, paid a bsw $40 for a HJ, that's all I wanted. She was okay but I think I will upgrade now. I met her just north of the Strat. but when I was going home south on the strip, I saw some quality but wondered if they would get in my car like the northern girls do.
I am willing to pay 1.0 to 1.5 for a beauty but where do we do the dirty deed? They are looking for hotel room work.
Haven't been to town for awhile. Coming back soon. Is the Atomic open?Tasha,
Sort of open, but not alive.
On 10-07-03 I made a somewhat long and detailed post about the semi-demise of the Atomic. You may find it useful, but not cheerful, as the situation remains unfortunately unchanged since that post. You can find it under "2000-2004 General Reports" and it is post #714 there. Or you can just click on my name to display other reports by Wastrel and you will find it within the first two pages of my posts. I think it might have been about my third post on this forum.
I was quite (strangely) fond of the place, but there's not much point in going there now. Here's a few very brief excerpts from what I reported in October of 2003: "...But a few weeks ago it was forced to shut down for a while for the first time in the history of Las Vegas following a police raid. It is now reopened for limited hours, closing at 10pm. CLOSING AT TEN! What in the hell is Vegas coming to?...What the Atomic has come to is that about six months ago the crusty old ex-navy night bartender who ruled the place with an in your face take no bullshit attitude, and who had the respect of the street characters who scuffle around downtown, retired and relocated to a hot tub full of nubile young chicas in Brazil...At four am the local working girls used to drop in for a few stiff drinks to relax after a hard night of loitering on nearby streetcorners...But after the bartender who knew the street so well left, it gradually degenerated...[into] the kind of [drug gang] scene that would scare the hell out of tourists from Santa Monica or Scottsdale driving by on their way to the downtown casinos up the street, so finally a few weeks ago Metro Police Dept. raided the place and hauled more than a dozen people to jail. They took pity on the kindly old gentleman who owns the place and let him stay in business, but on a short leash..."
My understanding is that old Joe, the owner, is basically land banking the property, just staying in business without any real cash flow, guarding the cocktail olives to make sure nobody takes one without paying, to hold on to it on the speculation that he might make a killing when downtown redevelopment washes down Fremont. That's how he got rich in the first place, making his nut on a piece of "worthless desert scrub" near a highway many years ago that is now part of the Las Vegas Strip.
Regards,
Wastrel
P.S. Oh yes, it is now open later than ten on weekends. Till the ripe old hour of eleven. Not that you'd really be able to tell much of a difference between open and closed there now.
What kind of reaction should I anticipate if I meet someone and the south end or one of the higher-end casinos, suggest that she accompany me to my hotel via the parking garage or valet parking, then take her to my off-strip room, which is usually someplace like one of the Station properties, Terribles, Sams Town, or maybe Tuscany or San Remo? Is she likely to accept that as part of the deal? or expect extra compensation? Or?
Yup - Wastrel's post was the one I remembered. Thanks for posting the info, Wastrel.
Westsideguy
05-25-05, 07:47
Thanks Wastrel. Sorry to hear about the Atomic. I liked that joint too. Any replacement suggestions?
Desert Dude
05-25-05, 10:51
What kind of reaction should I anticipate if I meet someone and the south end or one of the higher-end casinos, suggest that she accompany me to my hotel via the parking garage or valet parking, then take her to my off-strip room, which is usually someplace like one of the Station properties, Terribles, Sams Town, or maybe Tuscany or San Remo? Is she likely to accept that as part of the deal? or expect extra compensation? Or?
Closest I've come to that scenario was a gal going from one of the Boulder Hiway bars [4 Aces area] to Fiesta Henderson, about a 5 mile/15 minute drive. She was fine with it, better than the front seat. Guess my only suggestion would be to be up front about it, chicks don't like surprises any more than we do!
...Any replacement suggestions?I've been looking and hoping for one for well over a year now. Seems like they must have gone somewhere, right? Or did all the denizens of that establishment run right over to the Jesus is the Answer Church down the street and get saved?
I saw mention of the Four Aces, but couldn't find a thread. Is that the kind a place an out-of-towner should stay out of? think I read pretty interesting activities around noon or happy hour? Anybody know the story?
I saw mention of the Four Aces, but couldn't find a thread. Is that the kind a place an out-of-towner should stay out of? think I read pretty interesting activities around noon or happy hour? Anybody know the story?Depends on which Four Aces. Probably won't shock you to learn there's more than one watering hole by that name in Vegas. I know of two that have been mentioned here, one on Boulder Hwy. and another on Craig Road near Nellis AFB.
I'm guessing that you're thinking of the one on Boulder. A visitor in town would have no problem going in there, except for the danger that you might waste some gas and get bored if you don't find anything going on. I’m not there often, and when I go in at night occasionally there is usually nothing there, but once in a great while there have been a few trailer park tweaker types who are available. I've never been there in the middle of the day. It is just a neighborhood tavern type place that happens to be near some cheap apartments with some trailer parks and rent by the week type places and such in the area. There is a very similar place nearby called the Stadium Saloon that has a laundromat attached, and it has been referred to as "The Speed Queen" by another poster in the past.
The other Four Aces up at the far north end of town is a lot more lively, but most tourists would feel very nervous about going inside in my opinion. When I was up that way last time several days ago paramedics were pulling into the parking lot with a bunch of young men in baggy pants with their hands in their pockets standing around looking at the sky. I suspect that somebody had an unfortunate accident involving a knife or something and nobody saw nuthin‘. About every third time I go by there is some police activity in the parking lot.
Motown Man
05-26-05, 09:20
I saw mention of the Four Aces, but couldn't find a thread. Is that the kind a place an out-of-towner should stay out of? think I read pretty interesting activities around noon or happy hour? Anybody know the story?That all depends -- do you watch CSI?
Desert Dude
05-26-05, 12:51
Depends on which Four Aces. Probably won't shock you to learn there's more than one watering hole by that name in Vegas. I know of two that have been mentioned here, one on Boulder Hwy. and another on Craig Road near Nellis AFB.
I'm guessing that you're thinking of the one on Boulder.
Yep, that's the one i was thinking of. Wastrel, as always, is spot on with his characterization. I've personally had totally zero luck in there, but have scored twice in the parking lot of the Stadium! Totally bizarre. Just timing. Last time i was in that neighborhood i had a fun couple of beers in the Centerfolds tittie bar. I enjoyed that there was no cover, beers were like 3.75, not bad, they were playing old rock that brought back fond memories [old Zepplin], at a volume that you could easily talk thru without shouting, and that the girls were pretty friendly. I had one half talked into coming back to my room when some big meathead just butted in.
Thanks, guys,
I'm glad I found this forum.
No, I don't watch CSI, but from Wastrel's assessment, I'm not going to NLV. LOL. I don't need the attention of the police or the paramedics, the latter being the most likely by far.
Having read the LV news via MyMSN.com on a daily basis, I have developed a reluctance to go to the titty or nudie bars, partly because of those continuing stories of extortion and near-fatal beatings inflicted by the "security" people, apparently for the pure pleasure of occasionally maiming a tourist. So, I consider all the big-name nudies completely off limits. No point of putting my life at risk to look at a naked kitty. But, Deja Vu establilshments used to be my favorite. Lived next door to a manager in Louisville area and boy, the traffic in and out of her place, could just sit out front and watch, and the one in Ypsilanti, MI is wonderful. All those sweet little college cuties. Check it out if you happen to be in the Detroit or Ann Arbor area.
I may cautiously check out the Centerfold, however, on next hobbying trip in June.
...used to be a great monger spot back in the day!Sometimes a place is also known for the company it does not keep. My personal favorite Atomic Liquors anecdote was about the Hollywood twit Sharon Stone waltzing in and dismissively barking orders for some frou-frou drink, chop-chop c'mon over there make it snappy, and getting unceremoniously thrown out on her spoiled little ass on Fremont when she made an insulting remark about the place and the way her drink was prepared. I wasn't there at the time, but I believe the story is true, and those who remember the night bartender "Jimmy" will have no trouble picturing the scene. Her picture is NOT on the wall next to Sinatra. So if you are less welcome than the average Fremont hooker, whatever shall we call you honey?
W
...I may cautiously check out the Centerfold, however, on next hobbying trip in June...I think "The Library" is another locals type strip joint which is probably OK. It is more upscale and more expensive than the Centerfold, but not so much as the big tourist places in the shadow of the Strip resorts. It is farther west on Boulder/Fremont. Can't remember the cross streets offhand. I once had a very satisfying evening with a young woman who I found crying in the parking lot of that place. Turns out she'd just been suspended from her "dancing" job for smoking pot in the dressing room, and her weekly rent was due. Always happy to help out a lady in distress.
Off subject, but reminds me of an old story.
Sid great philospher asked a lady to sleep with him from 5000 whatever. Okay, she said. Okay, how about 5 whatevers. What do you think I am, she asked rather indignantly, to which he replied, we've already established that, ma'am, now we're just negotiating the price.
One might think the only difference between a Hollywood 'star' and an LV street-corner entrpreneur is the asking price?
Sometimes a place is also known for the company it does not keep. My personal favorite Atomic Liquors anecdote was about the Hollywood twit Sharon Stone waltzing in and dismissively barking orders for some frou-frou drink, chop-chop c'mon over there make it snappy, and getting unceremoniously thrown out on her spoiled little ass on Fremont when she made an insulting remark about the place and the way her drink was prepared. I wasn't there at the time, but I believe the story is true, and those who remember the night bartender "Jimmy" will have no trouble picturing the scene. Her picture is NOT on the wall next to Sinatra. So if you are less welcome than the average Fremont hooker, whatever shall we call you honey?
WNow THAT is a great story! Wish I could've seen that event! I guess it must've been while filming Casino? (Crime Story is on DVD now, BTW. Great show. The Atomic was their "home base")
...it must've been while filming Casino?Yes, they were set up inside the old boarded up 1940s era gas station next door to film a lot of that movie. Many of the "behind the camera" people working on the film continued to enjoy the unique pleasures of the Atomic, even if Ms. Stone did not.
Desert Dude
05-31-05, 14:27
Well, fortunately the concrete crawlin coochiemama's don't take all Federal Holidays off. And ya gotta luv this heat, the skirts and tops are getting shorter and shorter! First tripped over Tijuana, little 40 y.o. bsw spinner. Pair o' Jackson's went for quick cbj and doggie with a supertight little panocha. Warning though, this one will upsell the hell outa ya. Next day, playing a nickel machine at the Western, 30+y.o. wcg strolled by, asked if i was winnin, 'I am now!' I answered with a grin. Another pair, for only cbj, very good and professional. Sherrie, also worked at one of the small brothels on 95. Says she's at the Stardust at nites, tries for .100 bj/2 for fs. As always, everything is negotiable.
Stopped by the Spike to check in on the loonies, sure enough, ended up bs'ing with a local electrician, actually a pretty decent dude, a hockey fan, so a couple dollar Tecate's went by pretty quick. Had the Salisbury steak special, not bad for 4.50. Back up toward the Western/Atomic. Ended up with like 3 phone numbers, not sure how I lucked into that. Went with Brenda, half korean, half italian. He shoots he scorrrrrrrrres!!! Great little bod. Stopped by the Ukelele, 4 dudes, one sleeping on his beer, no kidding. Might have to try it later in the evening. Also went over toward the Oddesey, heard some mariachi music coming out of a restaurant on the same side of the street, right by Bruce I think. Anybody eaten there?
safe hunting....duderino
Keep thinking about a run down to TJ, but hell, vegas hasn't let me down yet!
Desert Dude,
where did you find Tijuana at? I will be in town in a few weeks. Trying to put together a nice list of hot spots.
Desert Dude
06-03-05, 18:37
Found her along my typical walking route from the gold spike to the western. Careful with that one though, she's one money grubbin beach.
Very late at night (or early depending on your viewpoint) at about four thirty in the AM there were two late 30s BSWs working opposite sides of the corner of Sierra Vista & Cambridge. One I escorted to another location for further discussion was not great looking, but OK, and very reasonable at one Jack, and was highly skilled in oral discourse on current events. She knew me from other meetings, but I can't say I remember her. Shame on me, I should maybe feel embarrassed about the fact that I'm not embarrassed about that.
The Nellis/Craig area has been very spotty at best the past few weeks, though there are some there. Word from some new local neighborhood friends is that Metro has had their hands full with lots of violent unpleasant business from dope dealers and assorted numskulls at the Four Aces on Craig. The timing of this area is different than others around town, and I haven't quite figured it out yet. I saw a fully marked Metro patrol car sitting in the middle of Craig with it's lights blacked out at night for over fifteen minutes. He must have had his reasons, but it was a rear end crash waiting to happen. I also saw an apparent WSW working a very open stretch of LV Blvd. only about half a mile south of Nellis with lots of visibility from adjacent parking lots and fields for more than a mile all around, and it smelled like a sting, or a very stupid working girl from out of town. Too clean, too white, too open, too little movement, etc. Wasn't interested anyway, but there she was when travelling each way twice an hour apart in mid evening.
An awful lot of motorists pulled over on Boulder. Must've been more than six of them whithin half an hour along a two or three mile stretch. May have just been routine traffic stops, but since when did anyone start paying attention to traffic laws in Las Vegas unless something else was going on?
Special Dude report: China is around but completely out of downtown. She says she stays away from there now (probably on orders from uniformed authorities) and lives in a place on Swenson just off Desert Inn, but I found her walking Boulder in front of Arizona Charlie's.
Wastrel,
Thanks for an update. Heading there on Wednesday. Hopefully I can get lucky and give a report back.
I've had some luck in the early a.m. (about 3:00-6:00) between Barbary Coast and the Casino Royale. It seems like the gals circulate between the casinos looking for a final score. I typically stay at the Imperial Palace because I've had the best luck at the bar near the elevators. CBJ (which is all I'm really into) for 1.0 with a 6-8 is pretty typical. I've only been turned down once, even though I'm not exactly a prize catch myself!
Desert Dude
06-05-05, 11:58
She knew me from other meetings, but I can't say I remember her. Shame on me, I should maybe feel embarrassed about the fact that I'm not embarrassed about that.
lmfao....just happened to me last week. Was introduced to a gal downtown, said, oh, that name sounds familiar, she said yeah, you've met me before. And I don't think she meant at the golf course. Also forgot to be embarrassed. Thanks for the chinese tip, mr. wastrel man. Robert, great first report-welcome aboard! Don't kid yourself, your quite a slouch...[sorry, Caddyshack moment]
watch yer sixes...dudenstein
USTraveller
06-06-05, 02:15
I saw two potential SW walking together in the early evening on Charleston just west of Valley View. It was about 7ish on Saturday (6/4) and I drove by and turned my head to see them both waving. I wasn't 100 percent sure if they were working or not as that isn't my area of expertise (yet). One of these days, I'll test the SW waters a bit.
-USTraveller
I saw two potential SW walking together in the early evening on Charleston just west of Valley View. It was about 7ish on Saturday (6/4) and I drove by and turned my head to see them both waving. I wasn't 100 percent sure if they were working or not as that isn't my area of expertise (yet). One of these days, I'll test the SW waters a bit.
-USTraveller
Yep they probably were. I've scored on Charleston 3-4 times. Between Jones and Valley View. It's sporatic..though
I wouldn't waste time...trolling for hours. Each time I hit jackpot, it's been me on my way home.
Mr Happy Feet
06-07-05, 20:40
Hello all,
Thanks to all you regular posters. I read most of reports and they were very helpful.
I normally post in VA, but had a chance visit to your town last week. I stayed at the Palace Station. I met my first WSW there outside by the valet at 6pm. She was late 30's / early 40's about a 6 or so. Got GFE for 65 in my room. Next night I hit the Chinese massage parlor on Sahara that was just west of the Palace. I took the 60 minute rub, got a free table shower, but only a hand-release. There was no extra charge for that, but I liked it so much I gave her a 2. (I know big spender) I tried the Pecos / Craig / Lamont area A LOT, but never hit. I did see a pair at 10pm near that swap meet parking lot on Pecos, but they were too rough for me.
After trolling Fremont St, along with all of the LVPD, I headed for some back streets. I got very lucky in this cracked-out neighborhood. It is on a street that very closely parallels Sahara on the North side. If you start at the Crazy Horse, drive directly east and veer to the left there is a 7-11. Turn to the right there and you will be driving parallel to Sahara. It is a short street that runs to Las Vegas Blvd. It is there that I met Sara, a HOT strawberry blond. (real) Great body, all of her teeth and even a personality. I swear.
When I met her she was in a red import car. A white bold guy was driving. She said he was just her driver. Honestly, after all the police I had seen on Fremont I was nerveous! She asked me if I was looking for a date. I said I was looking to make a friend. She said do you want me to get in your car. I said sure. I drove her to the nearest McDonalds, and bought us a couple of Cokes. Still not convinced she was for real, I asked her to come to my room to talk more. On the way to my room, I stopped at the little gift shop / conv. store in my hotel and bought some covers.
Once in my room, she stripped down, took a long shower, and got down to some excellent business. She asked for 1.2 for anything but Greek. I offered her $80 for some 1/2 and 1/2 and the deal was done. She was great. A little rushed in the end. Turns out she had a nother client--or wanted to trade that pay check for some crack. However, on the way out of the Palace, she went back to the store and bought some cheap jewelery.
Again, her name was Sarah and she was hot. Great pu$$y, great little b-cups, and the Ass!
I know it sounds like I love this chick, but I travel a fair amount and I monger almost every trip; this girl just stands out.
If my directions were not good enough, PM me.
You Vegas guys got it pretty good.
MHF
Desert Dude
06-08-05, 08:15
Hello all,
After trolling Fremont St, along with all of the LVPD, I headed for some back streets. I got very lucky in this cracked-out neighborhood. It is on a street that very closely parallels Sahara on the North side. If you start at the Crazy Horse, drive directly east and veer to the left there is a 7-11. Turn to the right there and you will be driving parallel to Sahara. It is a short street that runs to Las Vegas Blvd. It is there that I met Sara, a HOT strawberry blond. (real) Great body, all of her teeth and even a personality. I swear.
You Vegas guys got it pretty good.
MHF
Great report MHF, nice score! Almost sounds like the old Naked City area, kinda north of the Strat, around Main/LVBlvd. Cienega? Wastrel? Ya, sweet score, lots of these sw's are so used to us cheapskates tossing one jackson their way that 4 of a kind can bring out some real personality. And ya, driving Fremont can feel like you're at a Metro convention.
Sounds like Mr Happy Feet is describing the 7-11 on Tam Drive. Desert Dude is correct in describing the location as the Naked City area.
Great report MHF, nice score! Almost sounds like the old Naked City area, kinda north of the Strat, around Main/LVBlvd. Cienega? Wastrel? Ya, sweet score, lots of these sw's are so used to us cheapskates tossing one jackson their way that 4 of a kind can bring out some real personality. And ya, driving Fremont can feel like you're at a Metro convention.
Sounds like Tam & Cincinnati with Cinc running parallel.
South of the Strat, Desert Dude. The street that runs behind the giant gift shop.
Ooops! Didn't see your post , Sal.
Desert Dude
06-08-05, 18:54
Asia/Aja, who knows how it's spelled. I was walkin around ogden, 5th or so, whatever the far side of the El Cortez is. Turned left on ogden, didn't see anything except a skinny little bsw across the street, was thinking of a bustier model. Turned around, crossed 5th or whatever, when she, across the street, yelled 'hey, come here'. Damn, talk about soliciting! So, in a rare moment of following directions, i did. Usual chat/chat/bs/bs, ya, staying at Binions, c'mon over. So so cbj for the usual low$, bit of a tip although it was uninspired and lacking....errr...pressure. Nice personality tho.
USTraveller
06-09-05, 05:06
Great post Mr. Happy Feet. Welcome to the forum. I've never really heard of much at the locals' casinos as I thought the SW's stayed away. I was glad to hear it's possible at those also.
I was at Caesars Wednesday night about 10:00ish. I parked in the self-park garage and made my way to the casino. Ten seconds in I see a CW on her cell phone. She quickly hangs up and calls over a middle-aged asian man. They talk so I do a circle around the slots only to see the asian man walking back towards the casino and the lady no where to be found. That may have been a nice score as she was apparently on her way out. Then I just killed time doing tourist stuff and didn't see much else as far as working girls. It's fun to look at the non-working ones too though! Sometimes, it's hard to tell them apart.
-USTraveller
I went cruising last night and this morning, and there were plenty of SW's. It was a regular buffet. Unforunately there seemed to be just as much LE out too. The best spot last night (around 11pm) seemed to be on Boulder Hwy east between the 95 and flamingo, and picked up again between Trop and the Bookstore. The only thing that I hate about that section is finding a spot to pickup that doesn't stop traffic or tell everyone in the wolrd you are waiting for service. I wish these girls would figure out some spots with better access.
The area around sierra vista and swenson has picked up again. I spotted a WSW, not-quite crack skinny blond, who was in good shape who wanted me to celebrate her 25th birthday with her, but some a-hole had to harrass her while I was talking to her and scared her off. Guys I don't take long. If you come back in 5, I'll drop her back off where I got her and you can have a turn.
I also found another nearby spot where the girls aren't always as great, but it has been fairly reliable. I don't want to post it because I am afraid LE will break it up, but there are a few of you I will PM it to if you ask.
I too went trolling but I guess I went out too early. Cruised from 10pm to about 12:30am. Saw a few in the downtown area On Fremont and Ogden. Checked out Seirra Vista also saw a BSW walker but her boyfriend or someone was hanging out close by. Like you said there were a lot of cops around. There were a few times that every turn I made there was one crusing. Hopefully it was not the same one I kept seeing as he would have been very suspicious with me driving in the area. I even say a young girl get stopped for walking against a don't walk sign. I turned into the shopping center on the corner of Trop and Boulder Hiighway to turn around. While waiting at the light out of the shopping center, the girl starts to cross the intersection as the light turns. Of course I wait to let her pass, while waiting a cop coming from the other direction was gaing to make a right turn but saw the girl and flashed his lights at the girl. Don't know what happened to her as I left the area. If you can please PM the other place you were talking about. Need a score before I leave on MOnday.
Thanks
Desert Dude
06-13-05, 12:10
Stayed in a motel on Fremont with a balcony that overlooks the street. Some interesting goins-on to watch. Saw Redd and Brenda walking, almost catching up to a third gal. Just as all three hit the curb to cross, a totally unmarked white sedan pulled in front of them and lit 'em up. Two undercovers jumped out and had the first gal cuffed in 12 seconds flat. Bet the other two's heartrates were over 100. I was amazed how totally unmarked the car was, no antenna, nothing. Lights were all inside the windshield. Also saw two unmarked Tahoes cruising together. Heard some squealing tires, looked right, here was some yahoo in an old camaro lighting 'em up. Took a right onto Fremont. 2 seconds later 2 Metro turned too. Half hour later a tow truck went by with the camaro lol.
Of course this didn't dissuade me from my footwork. Met a hot little 32 yo wcg who was also staying at this hotel. She's used to $$ to $$$ at the casino. I'm used to $$ to $$$ at the street. Only a zero seperates our estimates. Met at a nickel, discovered yet another one that should stay clothed. Massive stretch and lipo marks. Good performance tho, and helped her run some errands later.
It really does seem to me that SW action is picking up in many places lately. In the small hours of Tuesday morning every place I went had possibilities, with the exception of the Craig Road/Nellis area. If I did a full report of what I saw it would run on for six pages, and I don't feel like it, but here's a few random snapshots.
In the Craig Road/Nellis area the streets were dead, except for three motorists pulled over by Metro within a quarter mile stretch of Craig. I find that I like the feel of this area for a variety of reasons and will continue going up there, but this is generally not a good time to be offering gentlemanly assistance to pedestrians in that area. I think I have good reason to believe that situation is temporary, but for the time being I wouldn't recommend the drive to most folks for the purpose of hunting SWs.
Around two-thirty or so on Boulder near the Hwy 95 overpass I saw a delicious chocolate thing walking the opposite side. By the time I made a sane and prudent turnaround she had crossed over. In the time it took to make a sensible somewhat discrete turnaround yet again she had moved further off the side, and was with another early twenties black doll who could have been her twin, and they were strolling into the parking lot of The Library. Yikes! What were these babes doing at the customer's entrance? I followed the bubble butts as they went in the front door and hung around for a few minutes while they finished their mission. They were new in town. That's nice, I like to show girls new things. They were there to apply for jobs. That's nice, I like girls looking for something to do. They were staying at Arizona Charlie's. That's nice, I like girls with beds. They needed a lift. That's nice, I like girls who like to take rides.
About an hour later I was on the road again and found the parking lot of the Speed Queen to be almost uncomfortably crowded. There was a WSW patrolling the front and several trashy couples hanging around along the side. Several of the mullet heads looked like they may have been interested in selling me their tweaker girlfriends.
Downtown on Fremont near Bruce I picked up a reasonably nice looking BSW who turned out to be a complete nymphomaniacal freak. Taking her back to her abode I discovered an area downtown that I've never gotten around to exploring before becuase it is off the well traveled routes, and there were clumps of SWs in ones and twos all around. I'm sure Metro's aware of it, since they do drive around a bit too, but I still don't want to be any more specific at this time.
I saw an attractive slender thirtyish WSW on Twain that I recognized from the past. A word of warning: there were three shooting incidents in this neighborhood in less than forty-eight hours, and I believe the box score is something like two dead and three wounded, which I think is comparable to the U.S. casualties in Baghdad in the same time period, so this is not an area for a tourist to go casually traipsing around drunk and careless.
At dawn an impossibly cute little WSW waved at me on Karen in the neighborhood behind the Eureka. She was tweaking but funny and bright and ridiculously good looking and absurdly eager to please for a quick refill of her financial cup.
This week's update on news from China: At about 4:30am she was working Swenson within yards of the entrance to her new home. She was very nicely cleaned up and dressed as if she was set to work the high roller tables at the Bellagio. Amazing. She was a C-note short of the rent on her new apartment. I made a small donation to her cause without strings attached. So sue me.
Things seem to be a little slower today or at least the action was in different spots. I cruised the usual spots along the blvd, fremont, and even as far down as trop on boulder. There were 2 wsw on boulder but nothing special. Decided to call it a day and actually do some work.
I was headed back up charleston on the west side of Eastern when I spotted an attractive bsw in front of the taco bell (?del taco? always get those two confused). I am not normally into bsw but this one looked kinda cute. She was dressed in a nice short skirt and some f-me boots. I swung around and picked her up. She said she was bored and was on her way to the bar, but for .2 would be into some cbj (for .2 i instantly think i need to double bag my groceries). She looked like about a 7, but she whipped out her tits to let me get a feel, and they were lacking a litte. If your a tit man she is about a 5, but her legs were long and smooth, and she kept the downstairs nice and trim ( she let me check all this out and give it a once over without even cracking my wallet yet). After we did our thing I dropped her back at a bar on Maryland and Charleston. It has a big sign out on the street that says tavern and a sign that says bar over the door?? From our conversation I get the feeling she hangs out there a lot. She goes by the name of Sheila. I asked for a #, and she gave me the I have a cell but its not connected routine. Overall she seemed up for anything. She was real clean and not in a rush. I wouldn't be opposed to another go around which is also rare for me.
Have fun and be safe.
It looks like my newest "new" SW area (mentioned briefly in the fifth paragraph of post #65 in this thread) probably isn't exactly that, but I told y'all I'd let you know what I found, so here you are. The area I referred to about a week ago is downtown in the twenties and thirties, that is the streets such as 28th, 29th, 30th, etc. to the northeast of Fremont along Hwy. 95 heading up toward east Bonanza. It is chock full of cheap trashy apartment blocks which extend for several blocks behind the area of weekly rent roach motels lined up closer to Fremont. Metro was very visible patrolling it, and I see no reason to be cute or vague in describing it publicly in this forum.
After spending more time watching and then having a conversation with a downtown working girl friend who knows that neighborhood very well, I don't think it is a corner of downtown where the ladies go expecting to work. It has a number of unlicensed pharmacists living and doing business out of some of the apartments, and some of the downtown working girls are likely to go over there after their dates to hook up with their curbside pharmacological consultants to purchase their medication, but it doesn't have much through traffic to support SWs working there. I think you are more likely to find the same SWs actively working over on Fremont and the well known better traveled side streets nearer to Fremont.
It's possible you could hook-up with some on their way to and from their favorite Wrong-Aid drugstore, but I won't be spending much time looking for that, since my worst nightmare is getting in the middle of someone else's felony by being present at the moment Metro takes down one of the dope houses. "That's not mine, I don't know how it got there, someone else must have put it there" might not be a very impressive defense, even if it happens to be true.
qwerty019283
06-26-05, 22:21
I'm a long time user of this forum but have never had anything worthwhile to submit other then AMP experiences. That is of course until my recent trip to Sin City.
Friday night was my last night in the city. I decided to play some craps and found myself several hundred dollars up. Approaching 2:00 AM with a noon flight the next morning, I decided to cash out. On my way back to the hotel I found myself drifting towards the parking garage in an attempt indulge in a late night snack so to speak.
I was staying at a well known hotel on the strip now owned by MGM. After I retreived my car from valet, I headed westbound on 15 to the Tropicana exit in an attempt to locate an AMP. I took a right on Tropicana past In and Out burger and decided to continue driving. I passed a massage parlor on the right thinking I might find one of those condominium massage places mentioned in other sections of this forum.
So anyway, as I was driving checking out the adult bookstores and other places I noticed a young lady crossing the street in front of the Orleans. The intersection was Cameron and Tropicana. We made eye contact and she broke stride and stopped dead in her tracks. Her head followed me as I passed her and I knew she was working. I have never picked up a SW so I did not exactly know what to do. I quickly hit the turn signal and pulled over into a nearby parking lot. I simply pulled over and stopped, turned off my lights and waited. Sure enough she was heading my way. My heart was pounding as she approached me. My windows were down and she asked, "how are you doing?" I replied, "do you need a ride?" She said, "yes" as long as your not affiliated with Las Vegas law enforcement.
So, she got into my rental car and asked if she can touch me just to be sure. I let her and off we went. The girl looked about 20 and was about a 7. Nice firm body. On our way back to my hotel she asked me what I wanted. I told her I just wanted to have a good time. I asked her how much and she said anywhere from 2 to 4. I told her I only has 1.5 and she said that was fine.
We arrived back at my hotel, (getting very strange looks from the valet attendant). We got into my room and she immediately removed her clothing. She asked me if I wanted to massage her. Yada, yada, yada, lots of annoying smalltalk about how she just got out of jail. Then she pulls out a jimmy hat and off we go. Every position imaginable. Very into it. I would give her a 9 for effort. Very tight little thing. No rushing at all. Must have been over an hour.
In the end it was a BBBJCIM which made me a little nervous. She took her time and afterwards cleaned me up. She asked if she could take a shower and check her e-mail. I reluctanly ageed. She asked if she could order room service. I let her but she ended up leaving before it arrived.
Well, I must have gotten a little lucky. Still a little nervous about the BBBJCIM but other than that it was very good. She went by the name of Nicole and had a small tatoo on her back and one on her belly. Something about "*** pink." Can't remember exacly except for the word "pink".
I told her to expect business around that area so watch out for her. If you find her keep it wrapped. She made comments about crystal meth afterwards which really didn't make me feel any better.
Be careful.
In the end it was a BBBJCIM which made me a little nervous.
Well, I must have gotten a little lucky. Still a little nervous about the BBBJCIM but other than that it was very good. She went by the name of Nicole and
Nice first contribution to the forum, Qwerty. Interesting, with good details. Yeah it does sound like you got lucky and scored a quality provider.
As for the BBBJCIM, I wouldn't sweat it. I've been pursuing this hobby for 20+ years and have had hundreds of SW BBBJCIMs, perhaps 20-25 in LV (mainly in the Boulder Hwy and Fremont vicinity), and most of the rest in more dicey locations in other cities. Knock on wood, but I've never yet contracted a thing from any of them. My only STD experience was from bareback FS in my early hobbying days.
Transmission rates from BBBJs are pretty damn low. Yeah I know there is always a chance and I will cover up or get out of the situation if, on closer inspection, the woman has open sores or gives me other reasons to be suspicious. For me, BBBJCIM (+extra bonus for swallowing) is a far better experience than CBJ and almost always worth the minimal risk.
The risk of std is extremely low. One study cites a 10% infection rate, but I think this is high. I have had plenty of bbj's and never had any problems.
As for HIV, there has only been one reported case and that is from a high risk subject.
About 14 years ago I used to pick up SW in Holyoke, MA. These girls were mainly crack heads. I got Nongonococcal urethritis ( sexually transmitted urine infection) twice form BBBJ's. I would estimate that I had about 40 BBBJ's in about a 1 1/2 year time there. Looking back now I think I was lucky not to get anything serious.
Since I moved to Vegas I very seldom pick up SW but when I do its CBJ's all the way. I think its just too risky with SW. Many of them are working cheap to fund there drug habit and will suck off anybody to get a fix. I don't want my dick in her mouth after she just gave a BBBJ to some filthy homeless guy that just panhandled 40 bucks to get off.
I will occasionally take a BBBJ from a provider I found on the internet (Craigslist etc.) but only if she appears healthy and not a druggy. Still no guarantees I won't catch anything but I feel it decreases my chances.
USTraveller
06-27-05, 21:01
Qwerty, Excellent first post and nice use of reading the forum first to become aware of the techniques you should use. Even though it was your first SW, you were able to handle it like a pro thanks to all of the useful posts on this board. You didn't overpay and you got what you wanted. What more can one ask for?
I too am an AMP guy who is looking to make the leap to SW. Your post is encouraging and I intend to pick up a SW/CW on my next trip out. I did drive around various areas I read about on the board and didn't have much luck finding any or was unsure if they were working. Either that, or I became uncomforable in the areas I did see potential SWs. I guess luck is a part of it and I just wasn't in the right place at the right time yet.
A side note, I actually stopped at that In and Out burger on Tropicana and thought there may have been a SW/CW in there eating. I casually waited outside for her to come out, when she did, she headed right for her car and took off. I tried following her but that didn't work too well.
Anyway, great job and I hope to report a similar post in the future.
-USTraveller
The risk of std is extremely low. One study cites a 10% infection rate, but I think this is high. I have had plenty of bbj's and never had any problems.
As for HIV, there has only been one reported case and that is from a high risk subject.
I have had many bbbj's also but will never have one again. I know the risk is extremely low, but as mentioned, the provider could have blood in her mouth or infected cum from a previous john. I feel I have been lucky enough and shouldn't push it. I have been tested recently and the results were negative (for peace of mind). I will stick to covered activity. Remember, you cannot live your life risk free (you are more likely to get into a car accident than contract hiv from a bbbj), but you can certainly reduce your risks. To each their own and I respect that.
qwerty, if you are concerned about an std, then have yourself tested. HIV is really the only one that could have an impact on your life. There is a fairly new test called a PCR DNA test that gives accurate results just 28 days after exposure (as opposed to the Elisa test which requires a 6 month wait). This test may be fairly costly, but how can you put a price on peace of mind. This post may be out of section, but what the fuck...
LB
I have had many bbbj's also but will never have one again. I know the risk is extremely low, but as mentioned, the provider could have blood in her mouth or infected cum from a previous john. I feel I have been lucky enough and shouldn't push it. I have been tested recently and the results were negative (for peace of mind). I will stick to covered activity. Remember, you cannot live your life risk free (you are more likely to get into a car accident than contract hiv from a bbbj), but you can certainly reduce your risks. To each their own and I respect that.
qwerty, if you are concerned about an std, then have yourself tested. HIV is really the only one that could have an impact on your life. There is a fairly new test called a PCR DNA test that gives accurate results just 28 days after exposure (as opposed to the Elisa test which requires a 6 month wait). This test may be fairly costly, but how can you put a price on peace of mind. This post may be out of section, but what the fuck...
LB
I, too, can confirm the problems of BBBJs. Years ago I must have been in the right place at the right time but the act gave me the drips and a trip to the "clinic". Of course the needle wielding doctor was a very cute chick which just added to the experience.
Think about it - you don't know two things. 1- How active is the broad & 2 - What did the last guy dump down her throat? You just don't know what's cultivating in her throat.
That DNA test you speak of is of the kind the porno industry works with. The results can be had w/in a week of exposure. Story I got was that it takes a few days for the nasty cells to attach to the DNA. If you find it BEFORE it shows in the blood cells you have things in your favor. It's after the DNA includes it in its "make-up"; showing with the T-cells , etc., that you are pretty much stuck.
Now, no one needs to argue any technical points of what I said - it's all fuzzy but that's the jist of it. When it's freshly attached to the DNA it can be detected and that's before it attacks the body. I had made a post about it a while back that was a little more detailed (I think).
USTraveller
07-02-05, 23:44
If you are worried if you got an STD, go get checked at your local clinic. Look for your county health department or clinic or something along those lines. If you don't, you'll worry about every little thing that is wrong with you until you are stamped clean. Clinics are usually free and probably use the cheapest method to test you. So if you go the day after exposure, the test could be negative. As pointed out below by localbozo, some tests report results differently.
Another thing is that even though a girl looks clean, that doesn't mean anything. Sure if I had to pick between a "clean" looking girl and one who looks like a junkie, I'd go with the clean looking one, but I'd still keep it covered. If you're going to worry if you caught something, then I'd recommend you do the same. You have to weigh the risk vs. the pleasure of a BBBJ.
-USTraveller
Sebastian009
07-03-05, 15:15
Hello there,
Just to let everybody know that the new Adult Store on W Trop opens this Tuesday (7/5). Pretty close to the Orleans.. Happy Hunting!
Hello there,
Just to let everybody know that the new Adult Store on W Trop opens this Tuesday (7/5). Pretty close to the Orleans.. Happy Hunting!When some one checks this place out please post info on the viewing room setup. Is it a open theater or several booths, or rooms?
I have found that most new places have large rooms with a sofa and TV for private viewing. If the management is "friendly" it's cheaper to take the SW's there than a notel-motel.
Travel Guy
07-05-05, 13:50
Hello there,
Just to let everybody know that the new Adult Store on W Trop opens this Tuesday (7/5). Pretty close to the Orleans.. Happy Hunting!
When the bookstore opens up would you give us a report as to what is inside.
Other than videos and Mag.s. Are they going to have booths?
Hope you can help.
I went cruising last night around 1-3am and saw many girls but even more LE. They seemed to be focusing in on the loop around the Hard Rock to Koval and down Flamingo. I have had good luck on Boulder Hwy lately so I went there and saw the same thing. There were plenty of girls, but LE was also close by. One even passed me. I had turned into a 7-11 to check out a potential WSW, I decided to pass on her, and when I continued down the Hwy the same LE car pulled out of a lot and right up next to me slowing down to look in my car. I think I will avoid that area for a while.
Just a side note, and I am wondering if anyone else has noticed an increase in this trend. I have seen more and more girls, but lately they have had their pimp walking right along side them (usually pushing a pawn shop ten-speed). Man, competition in the pimp trade must be getting tough. I refuse to even try to pick up a girl that is on that short of a leash.
I went cruising last night around 1-3am and saw many girls but even more LE. They seemed to be focusing in on the loop around the Hard Rock to Koval and down Flamingo. I have had good luck on Boulder Hwy lately so I went there and saw the same thing. There were plenty of girls, but LE was also close by. One even passed me. I had turned into a 7-11 to check out a potential WSW, I decided to pass on her, and when I continued down the Hwy the same LE car pulled out of a lot and right up next to me slowing down to look in my car. I think I will avoid that area for a while.
Just a side note, and I am wondering if anyone else has noticed an increase in this trend. I have seen more and more girls, but lately they have had their pimp walking right along side them (usually pushing a pawn shop ten-speed). Man, competition in the pimp trade must be getting tough. I refuse to even try to pick up a girl that is on that short of a leash.If the 7-11 in question was the one behind the Castaways next to the newly reopened "Crackdale" Apartments I would avoid that spot like a herpes sore. I have it on very good authority that Metro is regularly sitting on some surveillance there which goes way beyond normal patrols.
For the second time in the past two weeks I noticed the same clean but not very attractive mid to late thirties athletic looking blonde SW in a knee length floral dress standing in front of the Speed Queen (Stadium Saloon) on Boulder. Warning: do not remove this hag under penalty of law. I paid more attention the second time, and noticed that she doesn't move more than a foot or two from her spot, then I noticed a van and a Ford Crown Victoria parked in the little mini mall next door long after closing time for any of those little businesses. I could be mistaken, but has anyone in America ever actually bought a Crown Vic with real money, rather than a government purchase order? As I said, she doesn't budge from her little patch of sidewalk.
I haven't noticed the bicycle numskulls in particular, but I believe I have seen an increase in obnoxious overly aggressive pimping generally, which I attribute to some out of town low-lifes bringing their stables in from California, based on a couple of recent conversations with SWs.
Also, it sure does appear to me that there's a lot of high-tech pimping going on lately, especially on the Strip, but not just there. For the last several months I've seen a lot of young men in sweatsuits and homemade (prison?) tattoos on the walkways out front of the casinos paying a lot of attention to the display panels of their cell phones, and not much attention at all to the other attractions. I could be wrong, but they sure look, waddle, and quack like pimps to me, and there are hordes of them hanging out near the resorts while showing no apparent intention of going into any of them. Unaccompanied men in Las Vegas with no apparent interest in gambling, booze, sex, or gluttony certainly look suspicious to me.
It seems that every new SW I run into is a recent arrival to town, or maybe it’s just that I’ve already gone through all the locals worth doing. At about two thirty in the AM I saw a young tall lean BSW in a wrap-around dress in front of Jerry's Nugget on LV Blvd north. She was loitering in a spot that would be ludicrous to make a pickup, but the girl had sense enough to see me pull around to the lot from a side street and follow me to a parking place. Keyla was nervous and naive for a pro and not the most highly skilled, but she had a congenial attitude and a very fine body, and was well worth a couple of Jacksons and a trip to a hotel room. She moved to town a few weeks ago from Louisiana. She had me return her to a stocky butch looking older white gal waiting for her at a convenience store, who I surmise might be her “girlfriend” of sorts.
By the way, in case anyone cares, the Four Aces on the north side of town on Craig Road has been closed for a week or so. Maybe the County ran out of body bags.
One trend that I've noticed on The Rock is anytime I see a decent looker in nice clothes, like a nice dress or anything "strong" for that area, doing her stroll I'm guaranteed to see 1 or 2 PeeDees in the shadows a few driveways down.
They, the PeeDees, have been all over that area a lot lately. Story is sales tax hike will get more of them on the streets. I wonder why they don't just reassign all the ones on monger duty.
Big Joe 11
07-18-05, 21:37
Sunday Afternoon (7/17) see bsw with a pimp and I rated her a 5. 3 AM in the morning, see another bsw look pretty good; however I was drunk and I was staying near the strip so she stopped and gave me the look but I moved on.
Over by the Ice Palace, whatever club that is, the bus stop in front always seems to have something sitting there during club hours. Usually a BMA loitering close-by but bus after bus passes.
On Charleston by Bruce there's a "Mexican club" (used to be Casa Tequila for the Vegas vets) that always seems to have a gaggle of tight-assed youngins crossing towards Del Taco an hanging back & forth on the weekend nites.
Wonder if any of them might need some partying dough?
God bless you, Bill Clinton for without you a whole generation would think that a BJ is really, like, you know ... like sex or something. :p
Wastrel's comment: " I could be mistaken, but has anyone in America ever actually bought a Crown Vic with real money, rather than a government purchase order?"
I have one, purchased new in 2003 for a mere $19,300. Bright white, charcoal interior, looks just like an unmarked cop car, but nicer. It's a great car, very powerful, zero to obscene speeding ticket in about 6 seconds, fast enough to embarass the Mexicans in Hondas at the stop lights, big enough for almost any sized guy (as well as exciting front seat activity), drives better at 85 than it does at 55 due to the superb aerodynamics, gets good gas milage, had 4 paid-for options, CD player, keyless entry, full size spare and white sidewalls, which I had turned around to black. EVERYTHING else is standard equipment...and there's a very long list of good stuff. It's a heckuva lot of fun to pop out onto the interstate and see brake lights coming on all over the place. Actually, not a good car to pursue the hobby in, since some of the smarter SW's not tweaking make it as a cop car...but still, one of the finest vehicles I've ever driven and I've had a lot of different cars, primarily GM. I'd rate it with the best of the 'luxury' sedans, but probably has a significantly better ride.
...lot of fun to pop out onto the interstate and see brake lights coming on all over the place. Actually, not a good car to pursue the hobby in...Well, I'm impressed; there had to be some reason LE agencies bought them, and I think you just sold me a car. But I wonder, doesn't the sudden squealing of brake linings nearby tend to cause a personal traffic problem when you really want to get somewhere? Or do they all suddenly merge to the right for you? Maybe you could try telling the SWs you are a social worker. That's what they often think when they see my pasty face cruising around Southcentral LA. In all seriousness, I've often thought it might be worthwhile to pick up something like a '73 Pinto for a couple hundred as a throwaway car just for SW hunting. I think I pay for comprehensive coverage on my real car mostly becuase of the dicey places I go and lunatics I meet pursuing that particular purpose.
Last night I ran into a 28yo BSW named Dashika (or sometimes Emerald depending on her mood this week) on Van Buren a little east of H Street who I've picked up before. She's worthwhile for a 20 to 40 car date, for those who don't mind dodging an occasional stray bullet in the neighborhood.
Do those cars come with a factory option for chromed, door mounted spotlites or is that strictly aftermarket?
"Or do they all suddenly merge to the right for you? Maybe you could try telling the SWs you are a social worker.".
Actually, the reactions are sometimes quite fun. People are so courteous...they stop to let me merge into traffic, they wave me out of parking lots into the line of traffic, truckers immediately go to the right lane. They're so nice to me when I drive that car, lot different from when I drive my F150.
Sometimes at traffic lights, people stare. Can't really decide whether that old fat guy is a cop, I guess. Others turn their faces away and stare out the other side of the car until the light turns green. Guess somebody, somewhere knows something about them? Sometimes women look a lot longer than they should. Don't know why on that one. Cops wave when they go by. And no, the "standard" version doesn't come with the spotlights. LOL. I worked at, but not for, Ford for a while. in Detroit area...I can tell you that Ford takes the emergency vehicle business seriously. LE and public sector use of Crown Vics is probably the only reason the cars (also Mercury Grand Marquis) are still made. Last full-size, rear-wheel-drive sedan available as 'police interceptor' anywhere in this hemisphere, maybe the world. Got a trunk big enough to store a VW, or may three or four bodies. Not to mention all those radios and emergency equipment.
Speaking of the hobby, I notice that when the SWs spot me, they get real interested in what's in the shop windows, or they look away, or take off into the parking lot or side street. Then in my mirror, I see them looking back, checking me out, trying to see if I'm turning around or going on or whatever.
I'll try that 'social worker' line; the 'I'm a missionary, just back from Africa' line isn't working very well for me. But, when asked if I'm LE, I usually say 'yeah, but not in Las Vegas', even though I'm just a plain ole ordinary bored computer programmer.
Desert Dude
07-25-05, 12:44
I'll try that 'social worker' line; the 'I'm a missionary, just back from Africa' line isn't working very well for me. But, when asked if I'm LE, I usually say 'yeah, but not in Las Vegas', even though I'm just a plain ole ordinary bored computer programmer.
Interesting. My standard response is, with a somewhat worried look, 'oh hell no, but you're not are ya???' Typically this gets almost a laugh, that I'd think they'd be hired by Metro looking like that lol....
Interesting. My standard response is, with a somewhat worried look, 'oh hell no, but you're not are ya???' Typically this gets almost a laugh, that I'd think they'd be hired by Metro looking like that lol....
I do the same routine. My eyes open wide with a worried look - "Why? YOU'RE not are ya?"
Desert Dude
07-26-05, 12:24
I do the same routine. My eyes open wide with a worried look - "Why? YOU'RE not are ya?"
Ya, I learned it from you hahahahaha. My latest experiment [again, i do my trolling on foot] has been, in my morning tours, to go directly to talking about oral....eating that is. Eye contact, little smile, hello...buy ya breakfast? Shocks the hell out of 'em. Costs less than $5, which I just call the tip afterward lol. Last time i tried that ended up with wild f/s for .20 lol.
Vegas Baby
08-01-05, 19:15
Its the first of the month. The rock will be in high gear the next couple a days.
Caught a good one last week. What a freak. Blonde haired girl down form Canada. Over by the circle k.
Do those cars come with a factory option for chromed, door mounted spotlites or is that strictly aftermarket?
It's called a Police Package they get the lights on the side and a whole lot of engine, suspension, transmission modifications and upgrades these babys are fast and can keep all 4 wheels on the ground. the cute lightbars on top depend on the agency that buys the car they do that stuff themselves.
With King falafel dead, the price of oil is skyrocketing, electrical cars are looking good now a days. When 10.00 gets you 3 gallons of gas it's time to think about your options.
It's called a Police Package they get the lights on the side and a whole lot of engine, suspension, transmission modifications and upgrades these babys are fast and can keep all 4 wheels on the ground. the cute lightbars on top depend on the agency that buys the car they do that stuff themselves.
With King falafel dead, the price of oil is skyrocketing, electrical cars are looking good now a days. When 10.00 gets you 3 gallons of gas it's time to think about your options.
That was more tongue-in-cheek than anything about the Crown Vickies. Hey did you see the street cruiser that forgot to turn the wheels in Cali last week? Pretty funny if you ask me!
King falafel - too funny! SNL! Maybe we should invade them now...
The hurricanes will hurt more if they slam the Gulf like they "predict".
Pussy Hunter
08-04-05, 14:58
Hey LV Mongers,
I am headed for Las Vegas for 10 days and would like to know where the action is on the street! I'm from S. Florida and it has been pretty good on the streets lately and I'd like cum in LV and continue the string! Streets, sections of the city to look and to avoid.
I've been in several of the strip clubs in the past and most of the casino bars after midnight you can pick someone up for 2-3 bills, but I'd like to try out the local street fare!
If you guys are over on this side of the U.S., I'd be happy to hook you out!
Thanks,
Be Safe! PH
USTraveller
08-05-05, 02:40
I am headed for Las Vegas for 10 days and would like to know where the action is on the street! I'm from S. Florida and it has been pretty good on the streets lately and I'd like cum in LV and continue the string! Streets, sections of the city to look and to avoid.
For starters, try these: Forum Post 82 (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=372142&postcount=82), Forum Post 68 (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=367593&postcount=68), Forum Post 66 (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=365375&postcount=66), Forum Post 65 (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=365088&postcount=65), Forum Post 64 (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=364641&postcount=64), Forum Post 63 (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=364295&postcount=63), Forum Post 62 (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=364233&postcount=62), Forum Post 60 (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=363516&postcount=60), Forum Post 57 (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=363399&postcount=57), Forum Post 52 (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=362599&postcount=52), continuing to Forum Post 2 (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=353399&postcount=2)
These posts containg good and bad places to look, but you may also want to check out some other places to avoid (http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2791).
-USTraveller
Member #2984
08-05-05, 03:45
Best prospects for seedy LAS would be east of Fremont hotel on the main drag Fremont St, then also on E. Ogden ave, Stewart ave, and Bonanza ave between LV Blvd and Eastern Ave. Charleston is also active. I've picked up ladies here in the past 3 weeks and always when I go to Vegas. Quality is sporadic and be prepared to run into users. See maps.
GettingTang
08-05-05, 04:50
You're insane to pick anything up off Fremont. I had a retired vise cop who worked the Fremont area for years tell me almost ALL the girls they arrest there are HIV and IV drug users. That area is disgusting, so full of crime it's not even funny. Anyone venturing around Fremont, is likely to get more then they bargained for.
You're insane to pick anything up off Fremont. I had a retired vise cop who worked the Fremont area for years tell me almost ALL the girls they arrest there are HIV and IV drug users. That area is disgusting, so full of crime it's not even funny. Anyone venturing around Fremont, is likely to get more then they bargained for.
If I recall correctly when they're arrested they're tested. If they're tagged as HIV and go hooking again and get arrested they're screwed.
PsyberZombie
08-05-05, 08:50
If I recall correctly when they're arrested they're tested. If they're tagged as HIV and go hooking again and get arrested they're screwed.
The intentional spreading of HIV by a Hooker by is a Class B Felony in Nevada , Cienga . Here's the relevant section of the Nevada Revised Statutes =
NRS 201.358 Engaging in prostitution or solicitation for prostitution after testing positive for exposure to human immunodeficiency virus: Penalty; definition.
1. A person who:
(a) Violates NRS 201.354; [ engaging in or soliciting for Prostitution ] or
(b) Works as a prostitute in a licensed house of prostitution,
Ę after testing positive in a test approved by the State Board of Health for exposure to the human immunodeficiency virus and receiving notice of that fact is guilty of a category B felony and shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 2 years and a maximum term of not more than 10 years, or by a fine of not more than $10,000, or by both fine and imprisonment.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This Statute is almost never enforced ; and on the rare occasions that it is , unless the girl is remanded for violating Probation for previous offenses , she simply posts Bail and is back on the Streets in a few hours in order to make some money to pay the Fine she's gonna get hit with
Even if she can't cop a plea to a lesser offense , she'll most likely be given yet another suspended sentence and period of Probation — although if she's a notorious and frequent offender , she may get thirty to sixty days in the cooler
For these girls to really get in big·time trouble with the Criminal 'Justice' System , the charges have to involve Schedule I / Class A Drugs &/or Violence resulting in bodily harm . And even then they're usually back on the streets in under a year
This is all just part of the 'Life Cycle' of the Street Prostitute =
Hooking ; getting arrested ; navigating through the legal system ; and then returning to the streets anew to begin the cycle all over again
Every single time I've been by the Stadium Saloon at night the past couple of weeks there has been a woman out front doing an imitation of a potted plant. At least three different women that I've seen, not just the blonde I reported earlier, but each time she was as stationary as if her toes were nailed to the pavement, even when I saw someone pull over nearby, and each time the same gal was still in the same precise spot on a return trip ten or fifteen minutes later. I think this is still within Metro jurisdiction, but it is getting out close to Henderson, so I'm not sure.
No doubt someone out there will be drunk enough to put their foot in that one. Won't be me.
Desert Dude
08-05-05, 11:32
You're insane to pick anything up off Fremont. I had a retired vise cop who worked the Fremont area for years tell me almost ALL the girls they arrest there are HIV and IV drug users. That area is disgusting, so full of crime it's not even funny. Anyone venturing around Fremont, is likely to get more then they bargained for.
I'm not surprised a retired vice cop has a low opinion of that area and residents. It's simply not true though. Sure, there is a small % that have one bug or another, but playing safe can sure mitigate the odds at transmission. Others would also say that the area is simply not safe, that one should never walk around after dark solo. Again, sure not my experience. But I'm not comfortable with either generalization, just be careful out there...
Member #2984
08-05-05, 13:18
Do you think I care if they have HIV or not Tang? You're here on the board hopefully to POST and give info as I'm doing rather than poke fun at others for giving info. Your retired Vice cop friend has no way of knowing if the girls on "Fremont" have or don't have HIV. There's no a litmus test for HIV you know? That's ludicrous to be so judgmental. Whether you get the girl from Fremont or a high class walking ***** on LV Blvd practice at a minimum safe sex. That's my best and wisest advice. The fellow wanted to know where to go and so I gave the info on the ho's. Geesh.
GettingTang
08-05-05, 14:56
Do you think I care if they have HIV or not Tang? You're here on the board hopefully to POST and give info as I'm doing rather than poke fun at others for giving info. Your retired Vice cop friend has no way of knowing if the girls on "Fremont" have or don't have HIV. There's no a litmus test for HIV you know? That's ludicrous to be so judgmental. Whether you get the girl from Fremont or a high class walking ***** on LV Blvd practice at a minimum safe sex. That's my best and wisest advice. The fellow wanted to know where to go and so I gave the info on the ho's. Geesh.
Here are the facts. When a prostitute is arrested for solicitation in the state of Nevada an HIV test is required. They must be tested, they are not given a choice. Do you understand this member2984? When the vise cop I mentioned in my last post told me, that most of the drug users and prostitutes working the Fremont area are positive for HIV, I believe him. Because when these girls are arrested they are tested, this is how he "knows" how many of them are infected. Have you ever taken a look around at the street life in that area? Not a real pretty scene. Most of the people who reside around Fremont have long ago given up on life and are simply drugging themselves into the next life.
Also, who are you people fooling. Sure there are laws on the books about a known prostitute who is positive working, but is it enforced? It can be, but usually it is not, unless it can be proven that prostitute directly infected someone. Usually this aspect of the charges are dropped and the prostitute is released.
Keep it covered boys, or pay the price.
Member #4862
08-05-05, 17:46
When a prostitute is arrested for solicitation in the state of Nevada an HIV test is required. They must be tested, they are not given a choice.What happens when one refuses to be tested? Is the testing forced? Strap them down and take the blood? Or ar they simply held in contempt till the willfully take the test? These are loaded questions by the way.
I also can't help wondering how it is that the retired vice cop finagled such an extraordinary special exemption from federal health care privacy laws. Disclosure [by the medical lab or the authorizing physician] of this information to anyone but the patient and health care personnel directly responsible for treatment, even to immediate family, would ordinarily result in big fat lawsuits as well as medical license revocations, federal injunctions, impoundment of medicaid funds, etc. Just curious.
Downtown, by the way, is not even close to the most "disgusting...crime ridden" areas of Las Vegas. I ought to know, as I've long been an afficianado of such places. On my list downtown ranks about in the middle, around sixth or seventh on the list. But it is highly visible becuase it is such a mixed area with tourist and business traffic mingling with transient occupancy and low to moderate income places near to the high rise development sites of million dollar condos, and it would seem that we don't live up to everyone's standards of urban hygene, and it would be best, in that case, never to wander more than a few dozen yards from the Strip resort corridor, which is not in Las Vegas by the way, or perhaps the gated cul-de-sac area of Summerlin, which isn't either, and never to venture into the evil that lurks within the city limits.
But there are indeed dangers and pathologies to be found there, as well as elsewhere (and to about the same extent) and managing risks, of which this is only one, is something I always want to keep in mind. I ought to know, since I'm downtown about three to four days (and nights) a week on average, and not just to cruise around squinting at the streets through a windshield. Someday I might like to market a "Depraved Vegas" tour. Sort of a horror-house/thrill-ride concept for pampered Rancho Cucamonga suburbanites and effite Santa Monica sophisticates and such. "Bus is now leaving from the Town Tavern Casino at Jackson and H, all aboard, next stop, back of the Opera House, en route to the Four Aces parking lot, and remember to please keep your hands inside the bus at all times and don't feed the residents as we observe the wild Vegans in their natural habitat. We don't want another incident like the one on Tam or at the Eureka..."
Those tours would be an eye opener for many, wouldn't they? I'm amazed at how many people think Fremont is such a bad area. It's not as entertaining as the "good ole days" but disgusting & crime ridden? Too funny. It's not as glittery as the south of Sahara, not really Las Vegas area but disgusting & crime-ridden?
"YEAH! VEgas baby!!" as they sit in their pampered tourist-cube somewhere in the middle of Paradise. You want Vegas? The real Vegas? It ain't fountains and atriums. C'mon downtown and explore. You can still hear the echo of it between the light shows.
The vice cop, I think, was just offering one of those overly generalized pearls of wisdom that seem to be issued with the badge. The privacy issue would only apply if he pointed someone out.
The privacy issue would only apply if he pointed someone out.The privacy issue I was thinking about, though, wasn't the retired vice cop choosing to share his wisdom and experience with the public, it was getting someone to provide medical lab results and health status information to HIM in the first place so that he would have that knowlege. That's very peculiar. They won't be sending the lab results to him (the officer) when they are processed, regardless of where and when they are being tested, and he has no idea what's in the medical records of people he has arrested. It's not his job, and he's not entitled to find out. Public health officials are not routinely giving HIM results of medical tests, not for tuberculosis, not for HIV, not for hepatitis, not for the clap, not for influenza, not for any illness. So yes, I think there is more than a pinch of hyperbole and imagination involved, though I don't have any reason to doubt that he might be sincere in his beliefs.
USTraveller
08-08-05, 02:02
I was supposed to get a tour (from another monger here) of the sleazy side of Las Vegas on my trip out last year, but things fell through. I got sucked back into AMP hell though when I was there this summer. Blah! I think on my next trip, I'm getting the insurance on the rental and venturing out.
I think Wastrel should be one of the first new Senior Members after that process is cleared up. I keep missing, then later finding, his useful posts due to the delay.
-USTraveller
Desert Dude
08-08-05, 11:20
I was supposed to get a tour (from another monger here) of the sleazy side of Las Vegas on my trip out last year, but things fell through. I got sucked back into AMP hell though when I was there this summer. Blah! I think on my next trip, I'm getting the insurance on the rental and venturing out.
I think Wastrel should be one of the first new Senior Members after that process is cleared up. I keep missing, then later finding, his useful posts due to the delay.
-USTraveller
Before you get the insurance, check with your credit card carrier, some automatically include it if you rent cars on their card. Hell yeah, git venturing!
I certainly second the senior thang for mr wastrel. Classic.
Any locals go to the 'party' at Sheri's Ranch Sat nite? Buffet and Paul Revere and the Raiders, $25 cover. Could have been interesting...
Vegas Baby
08-08-05, 13:04
Thats funny. Just step out of your room and the tour begins.
The downtown dialog here provoked me to reflect on what I really do and don't see there now, but I think it's best if I carry my general observations and ruminations on that over to the "Off-topic" thread, so I have.
Pussy Hunter
08-09-05, 10:28
Hey fellow mongers, I gave it a whirl this morning between 3:30am & 5am down LV Blvd to Charlston, east to Eastern north to Fremont to LV Blvd., north to Bonanza and then east. I travelled around some of the side streets and then back to the strip, where I am staying. I saw a few real weak SW's, but nothing even to hesitate over on Fremont.
OK, was it the wrong time, was I in the wrong place, or is Monday morning a bad day after the weekend? There's a lot of senior writer's in this area, can you give an east coast monger a few more tips to success! It would be greatly appreciated!
Be Safe! PH
PH,
I don't think your experience was unusual, and it's probably not one of the best cities in the country for SWs. Hunting SWs tends to be a game for locals with a lot of time to cruise around, and most visitors and a lot of locals as well would probably rather stick with the high end casino girls in the Strip resorts, in my opinion. There are other tracks you could try, such as a long stretch of Boulder Highway and a short patch of Paradise Rd near the Hard Rock, but many other SW areas are hard for me to recommend to most visitors becuase they are either spotty and inconsistent or in very rough neighborhoods.
It is wise to be very cautious and discrete in all of them. For example, your experience on Van Buren in PHX can easily happen in LV as well, and Vegas Metro P.D. is not widely known for it's sense of humor when someone makes a spectacle of themselves on the street.
I gave it a whirl this morning between 3:30am & 5am down LV Blvd to Charlston, east to Eastern north to Fremont to LV Blvd., north to Bonanza and then east.
OK, was it the wrong time, was I in the wrong place, or is Monday morning a bad day after the weekend?
PHYou are definitely in the right areas. I have a job that allows me to cruise that area, and I have seen decent prospects from 1230am - 3am. I have also seen them between 9am and 11am (motel check.out time?). You just have to be persistent. You could try starting a little farther west on fremont (near el cortez and the western), and if you have the miles stay on Fremont through its transition into boulder hwy (under the 95) until you get back down to flamingo. If you haven't found anything by then head back. I sometimes alternate between charleston and fremont when I run a circuit.
You can also check the 7-11 and liquor stores at twain and swenson. They have been active lately. Sierra vista has also had a few too, but they are more infrequent these days, and usually have a pimp in tow.
Whatever you do keep a good heads up for metro. They have been really heavy in all these areas over the last couple of days. They are running the standard unmarked crown vics (white, metallic blue, and bronze), but they are also using a red and black, two-tone,full size dodge extra-cab truck (that is virtually undetectable as a metro unit) and a marroon/red dodge caravan. I tried to snap a couple pictures of the truck, but I was also trying not to be obvious, and they came out like crap, but be aware they are out there.
Vegas Baby
08-10-05, 02:22
The rock or Boulder Highway is usually my cruise. The track runs from the Castaways to Sams Town. It's hit or miss at best. There is always competition around. Run by one and turn around the block and they are gone. Thats the way it is. Once in a while excellent quality is available.
Desert Dude
08-10-05, 11:22
I agree with the others, LVFan hit it on the head. I've always thought that the time frame you toured is the worst too. My two fave times are like 7-9am and 7-9pm. Morning, for those trolling for their 'wakeup' cash, and starting to fret about paying for their room that night, and 7-9pm, this time of year, as the sun finally drops but it's not quite nightcrawler time yet. Thanks LVF for the metro update, I've also heard Thursdays can be bad as two schedules overlap, doubling the coverage. You were in the right area tho.
Okay, I'm bored with nothing to do, so I'll write a report. I generally have decent luck in this town and have gotten down the art of getting girls for 60 bucks or less. Good ones. Although sometimes I will go as high as 1$$. I'm persistent, though, which enables me to get good quality at least once a week, AND I DON'T DRIVE.
I take the friggin' bus and scan the streets, and then stop at two places of my choosing, walk the areas a bit, and then go home. I swear at least 30% of the time I spy a cutie from the bus window, get off at the next stop, and then the game is on.
Anyway, I saw a bangin' black beauty right across from the Carl's jr. across from the Strat Monday night around 11 pm or midnight. Tight jeans, with the middle thighs bleached white, and a top that showed her midriff. A nice tattoo of a spider in a spiderweb around her belly button. Oh my, but she had a former athlete's body, and she said later she ran track.
I said hello, and she asked if we could get a drink somewhere. I settled on buying a six pack, and taking the bus back to her budget suites near the Stardust. About 5' 5" or 6", just had a string of bad luck. Shame shame shame. She normally charges 150/HR, but was taking whatever she could get, since she was about to get kicked out and needed to make 5$$ that night. I won't go over, but would be willing to pay the maximum (1$$) for her. Didn't need to, though. 60 did the trick. Made some stupidass jokes. Introduced herself as ebony...so then of course my name became ivory.
Very friendly girl, though. A little distracted because of the stress of coming up with $, but anyway, got back to her room. Took off the clothes and she went right to work with her mouth, and took most of it. Over 7" so I was impressed. I played with her, and she got nice and moist for me. Her tits were small and a little saggy, but damn I love athletic looking thighs and a nice ass...and she had that in spades. Any position I wanted, as long as I wanted, let me put my finger in the third input. Thought about asking for greek but didn't really need it, but it MAY have been available.
Afterwards I walked her to the strip, wished her luck, and that was that. I have her cell #'s if anyone wants them, and I happen to be on this site. I will PM them, since she did encourage me to do so. I put them on craigslist for her if for some reason I can't respond to any PM'S, which is likely. Just remember, THIS ebony is NOT the one that has a picture. It's the one (and only one post) with EBONY FOR YOUR PLEASURE with no pic. And she is much better looking than the one with the pic. She may charge a little more than what I paid, depending on her sitch, but you should be able to get what you want for no more than 100 (half hour). She works at the Chickenranch, also, and is used to higher prices. I love desperation.
Anyway, that's my one post for the year...
My last few (non-monger) runs on The Rock have been between 9 & midnite and have shown much potential.
There should be much more LEO presence in the area as another "outlet" has opened in the St Loo/Atlantic area.
If I recall their used to be a sub station by that area so it might be the same place but you should be seeing more bikes and unmarkeds.
I see the Green Shack is now history...
Will be traveling to lake Las Vegas for a conference and was wondering what action if any these hotels and casinos have as far as P4P.
Thanks
John Wayne
08-11-05, 03:40
Stopped by the Chettah for a warm up dance. The place hasn't changed much, but i remember the gals being a bit more touchy feely. Or maybe it was the dancer? Didn't hang around to find out.
I took a ride down charleston and freemont. Freemont had several SW, though most you wouldn't touch no matter how hard up. There were also a lot of LE on bikes as i saw them arresting one cutie who i might have picked up, but they were on their hassling the SWs nite apparently. Thus, i headed back to the strip to drink and gamble some. On the plus side, instead of spending $$$ on women, I won $$$$.
Maybe tomorrow will be better with the ladies. Good luck all
Diver
GettingTang
08-12-05, 01:00
the privacy issue i was thinking about, though, wasn't the retired vice cop choosing to share his wisdom and experience with the public, it was getting someone to provide medical lab results and health status information to him in the first place so that he would have that knowlege. that's very peculiar. they won't be sending the lab results to him (the officer) when they are processed, regardless of where and when they are being tested, and he has no idea what's in the medical records of people he has arrested. it's not his job, and he's not entitled to find out. public health officials are not routinely giving him results of medical tests, not for tuberculosis, not for hiv, not for hepatitis, not for the clap, not for influenza, not for any illness. so yes, i think there is more than a pinch of hyperbole and imagination involved, though i don't have any reason to doubt that he might be sincere in his beliefs.
you're wrong buddy. when someone is arrested for prostitution, some of their rights are limited. you are therefore required under state law to be tested for hiv. this is done because you "may" be placing people in harms way, based on your hiv status. i do not know how le is informed or not informed about a specific individual whom has tested positive for hiv. i do know that is you are arrested for prostitution, test positive for hiv and then are caught again, there are serious charges that will be levied. in some states you can do 20 years for this offense! whether or not a vise cop is privileged to the status of a specific sw is something i do not know. but as you all know, they are required to be tested upon being arrested, right at the police station's medical office by a nurse. it would not take a rocket scientist to figure out, everyone at that precinct is going to know who tested positive and who did not. think about it.
and on a side note, with prophylaxis treatment now available for exposure to hiv, in some states, if you were known to be exposed, you can often "declare" yourself a sexual partner and have access to their status. assuming it has been recorded at the city, county health department, that information, under certain circumstances can be made available to you. in cases of **** sex, rape, even casual sex. if the county health department heads have reasonable evidence to believe you engaged in sex with a specific individual, they can access their information (assuming there is any) and disclose to you whether or not it might be in your best interest to start prophylaxis treatment within the 72 hour time period
Desert Dude
08-12-05, 13:17
you're wrong buddy. when someone is arrested for prostitution, some of their rights are limited. you are therefore required under state law to be tested for hiv. this is done because you "may" be placing people in harms way, based on your hiv status. i do not know how le is informed or not informed about a specific individual whom has tested positive for hiv. i do know that is you are arrested for prostitution, test positive for hiv and then are caught again, there are serious charges that will be levied. in some states you can do 20 years for this offense! whether or not a vise cop is privileged to the status of a specific sw is something i do not know. but as you all know, they are required to be tested upon being arrested, right at the police station's medical office by a nurse. it would not take a rocket scientist to figure out, everyone at that precinct is going to know who tested positive and who did not. think about it.
and on a side note, with prophylaxis treatment now available for exposure to hiv, in some states, if you were known to be exposed, you can often "declare" yourself a sexual partner and have access to their status. assuming it has been recorded at the city, county health department, that information, under certain circumstances can be made available to you. in cases of **** sex, rape, even casual sex. if the county health department heads have reasonable evidence to believe you engaged in sex with a specific individual, they can access their information (assuming there is any) and disclose to you whether or not it might be in your best interest to start prophylaxis treatment within the 72 hour time period
tang...buddy...you're missing the point. what he was pointing out was that your 'vice cop buddy' is casually ignoring some fairly significant privacy laws. or he's just spewing generalizations that may or may not be actually based on fact. ok, we understand you don't care for the downtown scene. fine. those of us who've invested some time down there know there is great variety to be found there, some nasty, some decent, some hotties. smart mongers always play safely to mitigate potential bugs. we don't really give a rats ass about some vice cops opinion. we do value first hand knowledge.
...they are required to be tested upon being arrested, right at the police station's medical office by a nurse. It would not take a rocket scientist to figure out, everyone at that precinct is going to know who tested positive and who did not.No, they are not going to know that, and where a saliva swab or blood sample is drawn is irrelevant. The sample will be sealed and shipped away to a lab. The flunky with a two year community college nursing certificate taking a fluid sample has no idea what is in it, not for HIV or for much more common but less emotionally laden serious conditions such as hepatitis and tuberculosis. And if you are "tested at" a county health office the individual drawing the sample does not know what those results turn out to be either, and neither would someone in your own doctor's office. It isn't a roadside or jailhouse test for this or any viral infection. You really do have to be a scientist. Results will be processed by a federally certified private medical lab a week or two later, and they aren't sending them to your friend the "retired vise [sic] cop" or his friends "at the precinct" and they wouldn't understand them if they got them. And oh by the way, "police stations" in Las Vegas don't have medical offices at all. The detention center (jail) does have some nursing assistants for those who are incarcerated; otherwise detainees are transported to University Medical Center if they are seriously ill or injured. Your "vise cop" [sic] friend would not be hanging out in either place. I will defer to you and others on the lawyering aspects. I will assume your analysis of the criminal code is correct, since I have no particular reason to think otherwise.
Sorry to be contentious about it, Mr. Don't Need to be a Rocket Scientist, but you made some thoroughly over the top emotionally driven assertions about a community in an area you and your friend quite clearly don't know very well, and got pretty carried away in your or your friend's disdain for it and thousands of people living and working in it. "Everyone at the precinct" may "know" many things which are not true. "The precinct" would not be part of the medical or subsequent legal process at all. If prostitutes arrested downtown "ALL" had HIV that would be much larger than the total of all AIDS cases, male and female, which have ever existed in the state of Nevada (2,946, 83% male, 17% female). The highest estimated incidence of AIDS among U.S. prostitutes I have ever found was 12% (mostly male), and most put it much lower, ranging down to 0.7% at the low end. Though still a serious concern, no doubt, I and other folks here are trying to be polite about it, but some of the statements made earlier are quite absurd on their face. There is no population of people of whom "almost all...are HIV..." not even among prison inmates or people in drug rehab, and if such a population was to exist, downtown would sure not be the most likely candidate, and your ire would be better directed toward some other, much more problematic geographic areas around town these days that I and other people here could tell you about, if you really want to focus your outrage someplace. Personally, I'm more worried about how trendy and popular downtown is becoming, and how little LE attention some of the truly troubled areas of the town get from their city and county, since there aren't such large commercial investments at stake in the places that actually do come closer to what you want to picture.
It really might be best if we just agree to disagree. You don't like downtown Las Vegas, and don't care to go there. Noted. Others do. So be it. By comparison to downtown you'd really be disgusted at some other places in the city where some other friends live and work, but try not to hyperventilate if others think differently, as you have when calling people "crazy" several times in various forum sections. Maybe you know better, but just maybe you don't. Maybe we're crazy, and it's just better not to disturb us any further.
I gather from perusing some of your other posts in other sections of the forum from AK to LA that you are disgusted with the whole idea of SWs altogether. I have some ambivalence about it myself, and you won't find me always reflexively snarling and whining about police for policing or about members of the public who seek to control such activities on their doorstep, but if you wish to continue a crusade about it, it might be better to do so on another discussion thread, since it is apparent that the "vise" [sic] man's perceptions and emotions you shared with us really are pretty disconnected from contemporary conditions in a particular area of this city.
Sincere regards,
Wastrel
GettingTang
08-12-05, 18:45
Tang...buddy...you're missing the point. What he was pointing out was that your 'vice cop buddy' is casually ignoring some fairly significant privacy laws. Or he's just spewing generalizations that may or may not be actually based on fact. Ok, we understand you don't care for the downtown scene. Fine. Those of us who've invested some time down there know there is great variety to be found there, some nasty, some decent, some hotties. Smart mongers always play safely to mitigate potential bugs. We don't really give a rats ass about some vice cops opinion. We do value first hand knowledge.
Privacy laws do not work like that, if they did every health official spewing general statistics would be in violation of someone's privacy. If an officer named a specific individual and declared their status, then MAYBE!
YOU PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER THIS..... IF YOU HAVE HIV AND YOU KNOW IT AND YOU HAVE SEX WITH SOMEONE AND DO NOT TELL THEM, YOU HAVE BROKEN THE LAW AND WILL THEREFORE BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME AT WHICH POINT, YOUR "PRIVACY" NO LONGER EXSISTS, IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION NOW. YOU ARE NO LONGER PRIVILEDGED TO YOUR PRIVATE MEDICAL INFORMATION REGARDING YOUR HIV STATUS, AS THIS VIRUS WOULD HAVE BEEN USED TO COMIT A CRIME! COMPRENDO? YOU READ ABOUT CASES LIKE THIS ALL TE TIME IN THE PAPERS.
Tang, You are wrong again buddy. There are no nurses at the police station. When a SW is convicted of a prostitution charge, the judge will then order HIV testing. She has thirty days to comply or she is in violation of her probation once she gets out of jail. Jail does have medical staff, and HIV testing is offered and encouraged at that time for anyone arrested of a prostitution offense. Johns who go to court are also ordered into HIV testing.
I know several prostitutes in Seattle who are HIV+ and continue to work the streets. There is a law against "deliberately" infecting someone with HIV, whatever that means? The SW's I know say that as long as they attempt to get the customer to use protection and carry condoms on their person, they are cirumventing the law and the police have nothing to bust them on, even if they are caught soliciting again. I don't even think they are required to inform of their HIV status. I think the courts basically agree that if someone is dumb enough to have bareback sex with a drug-addicted hooker or take it up the ass from someone they met in a gay bar, that they know the risk and are willing to take it.
I know that individual officers don't know who is postive or not. I believe the court ordering the test gets the result however. But in all my years of reading the paper daily, looking over court reports, checking the jail register, etc., I've never seen anyone arrested for or charged with this crime except for a man in Olympia who gave the virus to seventeen women partners and it was proved he did so deliberately.
Oh, and by the way, vise is spelled vice. And quit yelling. Your conversion certainly hasn't helped your anger problem. Civ2000
GettingTang
08-12-05, 19:01
No, they are not going to know that, and where a saliva swab or blood sample is drawn is irrelevant. The sample will be sealed and shipped away to a lab. The flunky with a two year community college nursing certificate taking a fluid sample has no idea what is in it, not for HIV or for much more common but less emotionally laden serious conditions such as hepatitis and tuberculosis. And if you are "tested at" a county health office the individual drawing the sample does not know what those results turn out to be either, and neither would someone in your own doctor's office. It isn't a roadside or jailhouse test for this or any viral infection. You really do have to be a scientist. Results will be processed by a federally certified private medical lab a week or two later, and they aren't sending them to your friend the "retired vise [sic] cop" or his friends "at the precinct" and they wouldn't understand them if they got them. And oh by the way, "police stations" in Las Vegas don't have medical offices at all. The detention center (jail) does have some nursing assistants for those who are incarcerated; otherwise detainees are transported to University Medical Center if they are seriously ill or injured. Your "vise cop" [sic] friend would not be hanging out in either place. I will defer to you and others on the lawyering aspects. I will assume your analysis of the criminal code is correct, since I have no particular reason to think otherwise.
Sorry to be contentious about it, Mr. Don't Need to be a Rocket Scientist, but you made some thoroughly over the top emotionally driven assertions about a community in an area you and your friend quite clearly don't know very well, and got pretty carried away in your or your friend's disdain for it and thousands of people living and working in it. "Everyone at the precinct" may "know" many things which are not true. "The precinct" would not be part of the medical or subsequent legal process at all. If prostitutes arrested downtown "ALL" had HIV that would be much larger than the total of all AIDS cases, male and female, which have ever existed in the state of Nevada (2,946, 83% male, 17% female). The highest estimated incidence of AIDS among U.S. prostitutes I have ever found was 12% (mostly male), and most put it much lower, ranging down to 0.7% at the low end. Though still a serious concern, no doubt, I and other folks here are trying to be polite about it, but some of the statements made earlier are quite absurd on their face. There is no population of people of whom "almost all...are HIV..." not even among prison inmates or people in drug rehab, and if such a population was to exist, downtown would sure not be the most likely candidate, and your ire would be better directed toward some other, much more problematic geographic areas around town these days that I and other people here could tell you about, if you really want to focus your outrage someplace. Personally, I'm more worried about how trendy and popular downtown is becoming, and how little LE attention some of the truly troubled areas of the town get from their city and county, since there aren't such large commercial investments at stake in the places that actually do come closer to what you want to picture.
It really might be best if we just agree to disagree. You don't like downtown Las Vegas, and don't care to go there. Noted. Others do. So be it. By comparison to downtown you'd really be disgusted at some other places in the city where some other friends live and work, but try not to hyperventilate if others think differently, as you have when calling people "crazy" several times in various forum sections. Maybe you know better, but just maybe you don't. Maybe we're crazy, and it's just better not to disturb us any further.
I gather from perusing some of your other posts in other sections of the forum from AK to LA that you are disgusted with the whole idea of SWs altogether. I have some ambivalence about it myself, and you won't find me always reflexively snarling and whining about police for policing or about members of the public who seek to control such activities on their doorstep, but if you wish to continue a crusade about it, it might be better to do so on another discussion thread, since it is apparent that the "vise" [sic] man's perceptions and emotions you shared with us really are pretty disconnected from contemporary conditions in a particular area of this city.
Sincere regards,
Wastrel
Quoting general stats, based on large perimeters is a recipe for disaster. There are well known, established HIV "hot zones" in ever rural area in America. You can take those state wide stats and throw them to the wind. Also, only about 40% of those infected with HIV in the US, know they have it. So first off, take all your stats and at least double them to start!
Here is some numbers for you to crunch and better understand my perspective on this topic.
In Washington State in a specific area of Tacoma where all the IV drug users and hookers hang, there is an extremely high prevalence of HIV infection. In the State of Washington itself, there are (2005 figures) 10,177 (known) HIV positive people, of those only 1000 are female. However, in the specific quoted drug infested area there were known to be at least 220 female IV drug user and or prostitutes infected with HIV within a small area. Would you therefore, take the entire states statistics and asses you risk on picking up a hooker in that area? You would be a fool. If you drove through that area and picked up a SW, there would probably be a better then 50% you're doing someone with HIV. You can throw the 12% stat out the window.
GettingTang
08-12-05, 19:12
My point to all this is not to badger anyone. Please, go have a good time, enjoy. Sex is natural, sex is good, not everybody does it, but everybody should. Right?
All I'm trying to say, is it's dangerous out there. Many of you mongers got kids and a little (or not so little) wife at home. Be careful, the guilt associated with taking a "present" home can be more then many people can handle.
I get pissed when I see sickly looking mongers banging a different girl every night and not using a condom, then bragging about his ***** wife back home, while spewing crap about how heterosexual males can't get HIV. True, it's more difficult then being gay and taking it up the rear, or sharing needles, but it can and does happen everyday. If you're going to pick up hookers down Fremont, or anywhere, you better put a condom on, use it properly and make sure it does not break. Once you make a mistake you can't go back in time. I'm done here. See you all in Vegas in a few weeks.
...or anywhere, you better put a condom on...Aha, we can at last end on a note of some agreement: STDs are a problem, and it is wise to take precautions. That includes a $500/hr casino worker on the Strip, and some much more common and easier to transmit stuff, such as hepatitis.
Pussy Hunter
08-14-05, 10:49
Hey Fellow Mongers,
I took the advice of the senior members on tour here in LV and checked out the scene at 7-9am and 7-9pm in the usual places and there seemed to be alot more traffic. I can't vouch for the quality, but more traffic. I am partial to WSW's, and they were few and far between and about 1 or 2's. There was significantly more BSW action, but I don't like to be obvious inviting a BSW into my vehicle and give the LE another reason to pull me over.
I appreciate the input and it is just a matter of time before I score on the WSW traffic. I did see a WSW at the 7/11 off of Fremont around 8am Wednesday morning that was decent, but I couldn't take advantage of it. I also saw a real blonde beauty at the corner of Mandalay Bay and Las Vegas Blvd. around 7pm Thursday, but was headed out elsewhere. She looked a little pricey, but you never know.
Thanks again and keep those posts coming, I'll update you fun-lovers as the storied unfold!
Be Safe! PH
Desert Dude
08-15-05, 12:02
Hey Fellow Mongers,
I am partial to WSW's, and they were few and far between and about 1 or 2's.
Be Safe! PH
Holy Playboy Pinup Batman, you saw a 2????
Pussy Hunter
08-16-05, 15:18
I have to say that checking out the areas referenced in previous posts finally paid off. I had the pleasure of meeting a little WSW named Mariana around 8pm last night that was just what the doctor ordered (in addition, there was another WSW in a blue dress that wasn't bad either, "Holy Penthouse Batman a SW above a 2!".).
She was walking down Boulder Hwy near the Station and quite the provider. We headed back to my place and for a few jackson's a great 50/50 was the order of the day and my faith restored in the trade in LV. Over the course of the last few days, there seemed to be some pretty good traffic from Trop to Eastern.
Thanks to all you LV mongers for the advice and be safe! PH
Pussy Hunter
08-18-05, 14:23
So long for another month my fellow mongers,
I went out Tuesday night around the suggested time of 7-9pm and there were quite a few gems. One of the first was a little latin SW on the corner of Trop and B Hwy. I asked her what the room rate was and she said she didn't know how much my room cost, but she was available!
The next was a little blonde SW that I saw near the 515 and she was trucking south and by the time I turned around, she was getting picked up by one of you guys in a white pick-up.
The next one was a little brunette in a short white skirt that I cornered in Sam's Town parking lot. She wasn't the cutest ornament on the tree, but had a nice bod, was ready willing and able and for some reason I passed.
I took off for another round of driving, saw a few unmentionables and tried to find the one at Sam's town again and I struck out. There were a few others, but I already blew my chances on the one's I should have picked up.
The lesson her is "He who hesitates is F__ked" he doesn't get the "Tang"!
Thanks again to the advice of the locals, I am a little wiser for my next trip in September and will post the success or lack of success on my return!
If you ever come to the S. Florida area, give me a ping and I'll see what I can do for you!
Be Safe! PH
Steph. Found just off the south strip.
Seva Lurker
08-19-05, 16:10
Wilmer,
glad you were able to climb back out. :D
Dayytryyper
08-19-05, 16:20
I thought the Grand Canyon was to the north not south of Las Vegas.
Wilmer,
That is one sweet looking snatch! Yummy!
Constantsorrow
08-19-05, 18:22
Wilmer, that has to be the cleanest piece of poon I have seen in a while! I almost forgot what they looked like when they were fresh.
You da Man! Got any more pics of her?
You didn't find my keys in there, did you?
P.S. Post more!
Green Machine
08-29-05, 13:04
Made it out to Vegas for the weekend and finally took the chance of bringing the rental out and about.
Cruised Tropicana between the I-15 and The Orleans Casino from about 2am to 4am. Saw this really hot looking Latina or light skinned black girl in a tight black top and tight black mini-skirt or shorts. Long dark hair pulled back into a pony tail a la I Dream of Jeannie. She was incredibly hot looking. Saw her three times during my cruise and each time she was nabbed by another monger before me. If anyone has a report about her, please post!
This area is so hot nowadays you'd be a fool to even try to pick an SW here. When I say hot -- I mean LE. Just last night I saw a BSW getting arrested across the street from the BK, sirens and all. There used to be a regular tall slender BSW girl that stands outside the Motel6 under the trees, but the LE is on constant watch I don't ever see her anymore either. Not too long ago I picked up a chunky big-breasted blond SW sitting by the sidewalk at the end of the Chevron. She was really desperate, an OK experience. She said she needed a clientel very badly, but already been busted a few times the short time she's been out here in Vegas. Warning to all: Don't lurk around Trop/Industrial strolling for SW's cause the chances are, there's LE hiding somewhere -- if not right out in the open. They keep track of who keeps driving back and forth.
I've been living out here for a while now, and I'm surprised and mesmerized at how hard the LE is active in town. You'd think that "Sin City" wouldn't worry much about working girls, but ironically, the LE is more hardnosed here than a lot of the other major cities I've been in. I'm a regular lurker up and down Boulder. I see at least 1 cop car patroling every 10 or so minutes. Fucking ridiculous. You have to be "lucky" to spot a "doable" SW on any given night.
A few days ago I spotted a HOT WSW standing in front of one of the Budgets near SAM'S. I thought I was dreaming. Before I could pull a U-Turn I see a van pick her up. Some black dude with Cali plates. I saw them pull into another cheap motel -- I figured it was probably her pimp. Not just because he was black mind you, just the way they were chatting up seemed like they weren't exactly on the clock. The very next day I was in the same area, and what do I see in the exact same spot this SW was standing, a big cop car. So much for that new find. I'll probably never spot her near there ever again. I've had much better luck as a tourist in California than the street scene here in town. You'd think that the city could use their funds and energy in busting murderers, pedophiles and thieves so prevalent in town rather than giving these girls a hard time trying to earn a dollar.
Some late-night SW's are constant in and around the downtown Freemont area, but hell, unless you're into fat old angry Gremlins, I'd stay away. You can't pay me enough to let one of those into my car.
Some more frustrated observations to come...
ClitCommander
09-09-05, 20:32
Cruised Trop and Ind and was busted by da Police!
Slender BSW, strolling looking for a customer and was sucked into a sting op. Didnt think she was a sting op because of the strict protocol that denotes what is a sting and what is a legitimate transaction. I pull up and she gets in real quick, does the check and everything. Figure its all good until she says that I need to pull into a dark parking lot with several white vans. Didnt think anything of it, until she she just stepped out of my vehicle and walked off. I was like WTF?! Anyway, I notice several men walking up to my vehicle from out of the dark corners and approach me. Thought, "oh fuck pimps!" Anyway, guess what? Vegas Vice!! Gave me a citation and sent me off my way! I tried to ask about the physical check of the vice operative (BSW) and they said she is not part of LE and what she does isn't admissable in court should i contest the citation. Ok, i thought im not familiar with certain judicial procedures, but I didnt know that they could use, what i assume as regulars, for vice ops.
Anyway, if a misdeamer according to NRS 201.354
PsyberZombie
09-10-05, 09:08
Cruised Trop and Ind and was busted by da Police!
.... Anyway, I notice several men walking up to my vehicle from out of the dark corners and approach me. Thought, "oh fuck pimps!" Anyway, guess what? Vegas Vice!! Gave me a citation and sent me off my way! .... I tried to ask about the physical check of the vice operative (BSW) and they said she is not part of LE and what she does isn't admissable in court should i contest the citation...Anyway, if a misdeamer according to NRS 201.354
Let me see if I got this straight , C·C =
You live in Tacoma , and there·fore presumably carry a Washington State Driver's License . The LVPD busted you for Solicitation — a misdemeanor punishable by a up to a year in Prison & / or a $1000 Fine — and yet they let you , an out·of·state visitor in either a rental car or your own vehicle registered in Washington , walk away with just a fricken *TICKET* ???
No Arrest ?? ; No booking photos or print check to verify your identity ?? ; No towing your vehicle ??
No Mandatory HIV Testing , as per NRS 201.356 ???
AND = if "what she does isn't admissible in Court" , what other evidence are they gonna present to convict you of Solicitation ??
Does any·one else here find this Tale of Woe a little Strange ??
Member #3330
09-10-05, 10:40
While in Vegas for some "R & R" I cruised this area. One evening I picked up Sarah (states she also dances at Wild J's behind Circus Circus). She's 32 years old and would rate a 6 on the SW scale. She actually suggested we get in the back of the car to have a better time. She was awesome ! She stays at the Capri motel. Further up on Fremont I picked up Tamara, a 20-something blonde. .2 for BBBJTCIM. She was very nice and actually gave me short cut directions to return back to my hotel on the Strip. Another evening I spotted a very young hot blonde near the Carl's Jr. across from the Silver Dollar casino. Didn't hook up with her but did see her about 20 minutes later on the pay phone at the Gatewood motel on Boulder Hwy.
During a stroll during daytime I noticed a couple WSW's out around the abandoned "Castaways" casino.
Beware as LVPD is ALL over the place. Be careful.
Let me see if I got this straight , C·C =
You live in Tacoma , and there·fore presumably carry a Washington State Driver's License . The LVPD busted you for Solicitation — a misdemeanor punishable by a up to a year in Prison & / or a $1000 Fine — and yet they let you , an out·of·state visitor in either a rental car or your own vehicle registered in Washington , walk away with just a fricken *TICKET* ???
No Arrest ?? ; No booking photos or print check to verify your identity ?? ; No towing your vehicle ??
No Mandatory HIV Testing , as per NRS 201.356 ???
AND = if "what she does isn't admissible in Court" , what other evidence are they gonna present to convict you of Solicitation ??
Does any·one else here find this Tale of Woe a little Strange ??
Holy crap! I think we should all give up mongering on Trop!
As far as the girl - it sounds like one of those "You help us - we help you" sceneros.
But the tale does seem to have a hole or two in it. WOuld love to hear more about it...
I had a free room offered by an off-Strip hotel in that part of town, so I was up and down that street more than a dozen times last week at all hours. I hadn't been on West Trop in months, avoiding the area since they had the street all torn up with sewer work or whatever, creating an even worse traffic nightmare than usual.
The good news is that they've apparently finished digging up the street and putting it back together, so now traffic flows as smoothly there as any major arterial crossing the Strip ever does.
The bad news is that I didn't see a hint of a SW there at any time of day or night. Not a single one. Of course, it was the slow mid-week after the holiday period, but that street was desolate every time I went by. Noon, ten at night, three in the morning: didn't matter, not a sign of life, not even a stray bus rider waiting.
I used the Commerce Center on east Sahara to make a turnaround at four am and stumbled onto a SW in the parking lot just inside the main entrance from Sahara. She was probably mid thirties, looked Korean, wearing a "do-me" type dress. I thought she was moderately attractive and she was obviously VERY eager to provide some company, but she also looked drunk or drugged out, and a little wobbly on her feet as she waved at me. I passed on her, as I had other fish to fry.
I've never seen this before, but I don't pull into the Commerce Center very often, so I don't really know whether this is unusual there or not.
Location of this late graveyard special, no "fun-book" coupon required:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=953+E+Sahara+Ave,+Las+Vegas,+NV&spn=0.008017,0.015044&t=h&hl=en
Vegas Baby
09-10-05, 18:36
Wastrel that be a TS. I work over there on Sahara. She he is frequenty walking by.
Sorry to hear you got busted.
Seems real strange they just gave you a ticket. You should get a lawyer and get some advice. My guess is that they probably don't have a strong case. But it just goes to show that it's a good idea to drive from the area.
"NRS 201.354 Engaging in prostitution or solicitation for prostitution : Penalty ; exception.
1. It is unlawful for any person to engage in prostitution or solicitation therefor, except in a licensed house of prostitution.
2. Any person who violates subsection 1 is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(Added to NRS by 1987, 2027; A 1991, 462)"
Wastrel that be a TS. I work over there on Sahara. She he is frequenty walking by.I always wonder about that with anything I see anywhere around there, becuase I know there's a couple of TS/TV bars nearby, especially the one on the back side of the CC on Karen. Some of the ladies in town should get hair and makeup lessons from them. I felt sure "she" was equipped as advertised after taking a long hard look from about 15 feet. But I'll take your word for it.
Coming out of the Cue Club and exiting on Karen I noticed a new Asian barber shop that was open. Right between the TV sitting bench (where they seem to loiter) and what I assume (judging by the rainbow) a new gay bar (cat fights anyone?) . All I saw was female Asians that appeared to work there.
The odd thing was it was 1AM on a Saturday nite. I wonder just what kind of trim they may be offering...
I pull up and she gets in...she says that I need to pull into a dark parking lot with several white vans.
Since most of us would be very unlikely to obey any such request, one must wonder how long that could go on.
I wanted to sit on this for a while before responding, if at all. I've had SWs try to give me a line of bullpucky about a ridiculous mythical "citizen's brigade" or some such cheesy harebrained nonsense to try to extort money, and I've had them try to lure me to a spot I believe may have been a set-up for a possible robbery or at least a cash and dash, but I have a very hard time getting a picture of this very unconventional LE activity.
Even though I find the details of this account so very peculiar, I do not want to assert any conclusion about the post, just becuase I don't like to do that. One does have to wonder, however, how long the LE operation would continue after the bait ended up halfway to Red Rock Canyon in some coked up parolee’s stolen car instead of in the designated spot, which is, of course, the most likely result of the situation. It's certainly a problem that would occur to Metro officers in setting up such an uncontrollable operation, and to their superiors, her family, their lawyer, and the evening news when explaining why their bait girl ended up as a wet spot in the middle of six lanes of traffic.
It’s pretty hard to get fired from Metro for something as mundane as incompetence, but this might do the trick.
Lip Licker
09-11-05, 06:55
It does sound very strange that Vice would issue a ticket for a crime. Normally, one is arrested and booked for ANY crime even a petty misdemeanor and that sounded like it was a full misdemeanor according to the NRS. I'm guessing that if they only gave you a ticket, it was more of a warning.
I'm no lawyer but if you weren't arrested and booked, I don't see how they can charge you with a crime. Normally when you are arrested for any crime, you have to post bail unless you want to sleep in the cell block until your arraignment. Very strange but a bit disturbing for us out of state folks visiting sin city.
LipLicker - giving you a ticket is charging you with a crime. Many of the misdemeanors like 207.200 (trespass) violations are handled with a citation. Providing things like your papers are in order and you come back with no hits; wants & warrants.
It makes things easier for Metro, within the whole process, and leaves them clear for more serious crimes like car dates.
I'm just having a problem with being told to park in a very specific spot by specific vehicles. To me that's a very green move to comply with such a request from a SW. You need to maintain some sort of control over the situation. If you can't come to an agreement then out she goes. I don't care if she's comfortable as much as I care if I'm safe.
I used the Commerce Center on east Sahara to make a turnaround at four am and stumbled onto a SW in the parking lot just inside the main entrance from Sahara....
...I've never seen this before, but I don't pull into the Commerce Center very often, so I don't really know whether this is unusual there or not.
Location of this late graveyard special, no "fun-book" coupon required:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=953+E+Sahara+Ave,+Las+Vegas,+NV&spn=0.008017,0.015044&t=h&hl=enI know several people who work in the area, and most locals know that CC is notorious for TS action. However, because of a couple of Swing clubs there, I have seen regular working girls there. I have also taken SW's (if they were dressed decent enough) into one such club because of the couples are free option. However, more often than not they are TS, but they will also tell you right up front. Ask if you can't tell, because some do look better than the cracked out stuff that is out there. I don't think they want to risk surprising a guy.
There is also some occasional action just west of the CC on Sahara, but the better times are 8am-10am for that action.
Vegas is a little drive away, but with the lack of S/W s in LA and the quality of the Casinos girls I was thinking of taking a drive as I make it to Vegas enouhg as is.
I have also taken SW's (if they were dressed decent enough) into one such club because of the couples are free option.
I used to find SWs fairly often (yes, I do know these were women, unless stretch marks from childbirth are part of the TS wardrobe) in the area farther west in the sleazy housing projects behind the Eureka, like around Sherwood and Karen, and one of those about a year ago suggested we should go to the Green Door. I declined becuase I wasn't sure what the deal was on the place and I'm a very cautious and skeptical sort of curmudgeon, but I regret not trying that becuase it does seem like it could be a safe sane alternative to parking if it's truly free for a "couple" with no catch.
A few questions if you know and don't mind indulging me: is there any privacy available at all in those clubs, are all couples always completely free at any hour, am I right to assume that ID would be required for both halves of the couple, and does it matter for entry fee purposes if the IDs are local or not?
I haven't found the streets southwest of the Eureka to be active lately, but Commerce Center is still reasonably convenient to some other SW hunting grounds.
[QUOTE=Wastrel] is there any privacy available at all in those clubs
I've been in the Fantasy. There were public and private rooms. amazing. The entire time I was there. Absolutely nothing happened to anybody. Just one guy walking around occasionally priming his pump through his open zipper. Don't know what he thought he was accomplishing. The boss b*tch at the Fantasy said she watches for working girls, tries to bar them. On the other hand, some other sites have women suggesting that men go to Green Door. So who knows. one woman who advertises in the massage group advises men to go to Green Door. Some reviewers suggest that there are a lot of men and few women on the premises most nights. But then one guy told me that he loves the place. Real hard-core action, especially interesting to voyeurs, he said.
Anyway, that CC is amazing. I once saw a drop-dead gorgeous creature that I suspected was a T-Girl, based on where she was standing, so didn't stop. and once saw marked and unmarked Crown Vics containing two or three guys watching the area, particularly rear of LV Lounge, which looks like it must be a real dump? . don't know about the other places. Someone told me that there are several gay bars there, that the one on the corner of Sahara and the CC entry is "T-G" friendly and that Zingers is a TS/TG hangout, too. On the other hand, have on a couple of occasions seen what appears to be WSW and BSW in the daytime. Both in the CC, on Karen, on the street east of CC, and on one occasion, one brazenly attempting to stop traffic on that street that crosses Karen (like Joe Brown or something? ). Once nice- looking, obviously a new crack convert, waving at the cars going by behind the Hilton property. Didn't seem right. too obvious. So I didn't try to get a second look.
Desert Dude
09-12-05, 19:59
I had a free room offered by an off-Strip hotel in that part of town, so I was up and down that street more than a dozen times last week at all hours. I hadn't been on West Trop in months, avoiding the area since they had the street all torn up with sewer work or whatever, creating an even worse traffic nightmare than usual.
The good news is that they've apparently finished digging up the street and putting it back together, so now traffic flows as smoothly there as any major arterial crossing the Strip ever does.
The bad news is that I didn't see a hint of a SW there at any time of day or night. Not a single one. Of course, it was the slow mid-week after the holiday period, but that street was desolate every time I went by. Noon, ten at night, three in the morning: didn't matter, not a sign of life, not even a stray bus rider waiting.
I also stayed there, just a few blocks west of I-15. Best action was at the bar, no SW action at all. Take that back, saw one hottie walking thru TacosMexico into the Budget Suites, but couldn't get her attention. Sure has gone downhill even in just the last couple of years...
Then a couple of weeks later we went the Red Rooster. It was $30 for a couple to get in. I was much cleaner and way more crowded than the other places in CC. There were a lot of old people and fat Girls. Also there seemed to be a lot of single women. I had the same feeling about them being SWs as well. We did not participate in anything. We were just curious.Just for clarification: do you mean the real Red Rooster (swing house) off Boulder HiWay or the name copying, no affiliation Red Rooster 2 in CC?
Pussy Hunter
09-13-05, 17:39
Hey Mongers,
I'm back for another few weeks of mongering in your great town! I see the Swing Clubs have gotten a little press, but without a date, a guy doesn't have a prayer and it's cost prohibitive in most places. I prefer the wide open space of the SW trade. I had a great time with all the help last time I was here and hope to post a few successes this time.
If you have any hotspots that have just cum up, any great incalls or have some new advice from last time, I'm all ears! LV is a great place and all your posts were great while I was away, even the bad trip by one and getting stung by another! That's life in the fast lane! I look forward to a great trip!
Be Safe! PH
ClitCommander
09-17-05, 07:49
Lip Licker, yes it was a citation only (warning). After reading my last post it sounded as if I got arrested under that NRS. I posted the NRS just as fyi, for anyone interested.
I figured they could use regular SW's in their stings and just say, "well, we approached the suspect in the process of committing prostitution etc etc" and maybe it would be considered admissible in court if I was arrested. I'm just lucky they let me go...
Anway, the reason my last post seemed a bit strange was because I needed a drink after the fiascal with Metro, and maybe consumed more that I could handle..lol. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
It does sound very strange that Vice would issue a ticket for a crime. Normally, one is arrested and booked for ANY crime even a petty misdemeanor and that sounded like it was a full misdemeanor according to the NRS. I'm guessing that if they only gave you a ticket, it was more of a warning.NRS ? ? Any info on that ?
Of course I have no idea how LVPD does things, But if you are issued a citation it is technically an arrest, you are just basically Posting Bail by promising to appear, If you refuse to sign a ticket they take you to jail. Speeding is an infraction, so u get a ticket some misd. are also field release where they simply issue you a citation and let you go on your way, but you are still technically arrested for the charge stated on your ticket, and must appear in court to answer the charge. Examples of this would be urinating in public in some states it is illegal to urinate in public and you would be given a citation, I have heard however certain states take this and any other time your johnson is exposed as a serious crime, and will make you register as a sex offender, go figure, anyways Make sure you know your rights, and the simplest thing of all no matter what US state your in, Always Remain Silent! It's hard enough to prove these cases for the cops, don't make it easy by giving them an admission or a story which can't be changed later on. Who said community college was useless LOL
Red Rooster off Boulder Highway is the one I was refering too.It's on Tropicana and Boulder. Go east on trop and it should be on the right side of trop.
ClitCommander
09-18-05, 20:05
Think of it as a traffic school here you have to attend. Hope you can comprehend that. It's like John school. You go and attend a class on the hazards of soliciting sex on the street. Of course, the lecturer is a reformed prostitute who has see the error of her ways. Now, Las Vegas has not incorporated such a policy as of recent, but the they seem to be taking a ne approach. Now if ur an attorney, then you must be aware that some states implement such above mentioned policy. Yes? Ok, then whether you want to disregard my post, go ahead and I wish you the best of luck when strolling the streets here in LV. I simply post to inform my fellow mongerers.
ClitCommander
09-18-05, 20:14
Oh, when you mentioned public urination as an offense, I think of when Seinfeld when he was in the parking lot urinating and said it was due to Urineasisytosis..lol.
That is all. I'll be here till sunday
Think of it as a traffic school here you have to attend. Hope you can comprehend that. It's like John school. You go and attend a class on the hazards of soliciting sex on the street. Of course, the lecturer is a reformed prostitute who has see the error of her ways. Now, Las Vegas has not incorporated such a policy as of recent, but the they seem to be taking a ne approach. Now if ur an attorney, then you must be aware that some states implement such above mentioned policy.Nope wasn't aware never gotten busted thanks wasn't sure what nsr was, kinda like AA meetings for Alkies. Hi My Name is John and I tried to buy pussy on the strip. HEHE I think they have that in LA not sure but seems like an awful lot of work just cause a guys is horny, no amount of therapy is gonna fix that, not a big deal as far as I am concerned more dangerous folk out there then your local monger.
It makes things easier for Metro, within the whole process, and leaves them clear for more serious crimes like car dates.
Glad Metro has time for the mongers last time I was on the strip I was wondering where they went with all the thugs starting to populate the Strip. Glad your cops are working as hard out there as they are here on the major s/w problem, Although If I Lived in Las Vegas I would be Much More concerned with making sure the Strip is Spotless and Crime Free, there is no other reason for that city to exist other then the Tourist $, without it there is no Vegas. Spending time on Mongers is a joke, of all the places in the world where the city should ease up on minor sex crimes it is Vegas, What's next Pot Illegal in Amsterdam?
ClitCommander
09-19-05, 07:09
Glad Metro has time for the mongers last time I was on the strip I was wondering where they went with all the thugs starting to populate the Strip. Glad your cops are working as hard out there as they are here on the major s/w problem, Although If I Lived in Las Vegas I would be Much More concerned with making sure the Strip is Spotless and Crime Free, there is no other reason for that city to exist other then the Tourist $, without it there is no Vegas. Spending time on Mongers is a joke, of all the places in the world where the city should ease up on minor sex crimes it is Vegas, What's next Pot Illegal in Amsterdam?
I figure that all the johns that go picking up SW are potential "Gary Ridgeway"s. Might be their justification. Anyway, if they turned a blind eye to solicitors they wouldnt be doing their job. And yes, you do have to say, "Hi my name is John and I'm horny" at those meettings. Heehaw!
It's on Tropicana and Boulder. Go east on trop and it should be on the right side of trop.
You forgot a couple of side-streets, friend. Your directions will have people nowhere but on the side of the road.
From Trop, make a right on Steptoe and go to the Red Rooster storage building. They'll help you from there. Same people.
Nope wasn't aware never gotten busted thanks wasn't sure what nsr was, kinda like AA meetings for Alkies.
Webcams - NRS is N.R.S. which is Nevada Revised Statute which can be looked at as "The Code of Life" in the great state of Nevada.
Here's one area of the NRS that should be of some interest:
www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-201.html#NRS201Sec295
Big Boy BG
09-20-05, 07:45
Coming to Vegas in the next month or two. Would love your help in a few things.
1. I would love a really cheap place. I plan on getting a car to see the sites and drive to gamble. So really the cheaper the better. I ma looking for the places NOTon the internet.
2. Should I use the car to hunt? If not help me out with below. If so I will read back for were.
3. This is a little longer question. The last time I was in Vegas I had just gotten busted a few weeks earlier, so I was not back on the hourse yet. I stayed downtown, and I did go out looking. I really did not see much, and I have really good eye for girls working. I normaly error on the safe side so I almost NEVER ask a girl who is not working. Well the last time I was there I did ask two girls and they knew what I was talking about and both were not working. I walked around awhile too and really only saw 3-4 that were maybes. Is there really not many downtown?
Feal free to PM me, also if you are a little apprehensive (sp) check out all my posts on the Toledo, OH board.
Thanks for the help
Be Safe Out There
Lip Licker
09-21-05, 10:18
Getting issued a citation/ticket and getting arrested are two totally seperate things. An infraction(i.e. minor speeding, jaywalking, etc, depending on the state) is not a crime and will not show up on your criminal record check where as an arrest will. If you fail to show up for your court date or pay the fine for the infraction the state will usually issue a bench warrant for your arrest.
Vice may not take johns down to the station but they would have to restrain you, photograph you and take your prints and then have you post bail right there in a temporary processing area for you to have been technically arrested. After all, how else are they going to run your info for the NCIC check?
I totally agree with the "shut the f_ck up" when you are arrested advice. It is common for cops to try and get you to say something to hang yourself but they won't let you go so it only hurts you if you say something. Depending on your state and the crime, you may also not be read your miranda rights when arrested but if you are processed(fingerprinted and photographed), it's official.
Desert Dude
09-21-05, 12:14
After all, how else are they going to run your info for the NCIC check?
I might have missed something, but NCIC checks can be done quickly by just radioing in your driver's liscence info, or even name and date of birth. But good advice about zipping the lip. Until or unless you are actually negotiating a plea, giving any info won't help at all. I've actually toyed with the idea of getting an attorney on retainer for the slight chance of this kind of issues, but so far have done alright just being careful. [knocking on wood...]
ClitCommander
09-21-05, 16:08
Getting issued a citation/ticket and getting arrested are two totally seperate things. An infraction(i.e. minor speeding, jaywalking, etc, depending on the state) is not a crime and will not show up on your criminal record check where as an arrest will. If you fail to show up for your court date or pay the fine for the infraction the state will usually issue a bench warrant for your arrest.
Vice may not take johns down to the station but they would have to restrain you, photograph you and take your prints and then have you post bail right there in a temporary processing area for you to have been technically arrested. After all, how else are they going to run your info for the NCIC check?
I totally agree with the "shut the f_ck up" when you are arrested advice. It is common for cops to try and get you to say something to hang yourself but they won't let you go so it only hurts you if you say something. Depending on your state and the crime, you may also not be read your miranda rights when arrested but if you are processed(fingerprinted and photographed), it's official.
Hard to "shut the Fu.ck up" when they got you on audio. If its a sting, you know they will have video or audio to justify the arrest or citation in court.
I might have missed something, but NCIC checks can be done quickly by just radioing in your driver's liscence info, or even name and date of birth.
Exactly. NCIC has been around close to 40 years and has always been accessable to LEO with a radio. They called it in and the "station house" would run it thru.
NCIC 2000 (as it's called now) allows for any type of search function including phonetic matches, allows the LEO with a computer-car to access directly, and still allows any radio unit like a bike cop to access it.
You never need to be arrested to get run thru NCIC. IAFIS - yes as it uses your fingerprint to basically check your "fugitive" status. But being run thru NCIC needs to be substantiated by the cop's event log. Privacy rights and all that happy crap.
Getting issued a citation/ticket and getting arrested are two totally seperate things. An infraction(i.e. minor speeding, jaywalking, etc, depending on the state) is not a crime and will not show up on your criminal record check where as an arrest will. If you fail to show up for your court date or pay the fine for the infraction the state will usually issue a bench warrant for your arrest.
You're going apples & oranges here. A ticket does not always represent a minor non-criminal infraction. Some minor criminal cases are handled with a ticket. Trespass is one of them. It depends on the nature and severity of the offense. Minor criminal offenses can be handled with citations/tickets. It's still technicaly an arrest.
Rolling thru a stop sign and criminal trespass are two different animals but both can result in a "ticket".
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Lip Licker - I notice you post in the Honolulu forum and don't know if you understand the unique nature of Nevada. The two biggest tools that casinos have are the "Right to refuse service to anyone at any time for any reason" and the NRS 207.200 (trespass). Being casinos are private property the 207.200 comes in handy for them. The number of trespass crimes that are experienced in any given period of time can be overwhelming for the resources of the LEO system. Some time ago they agreed to make a simple 207.200 a ticketable offense. A crime and technicaly an arrest never the less. It just frees up "the sytem" for crimes of a more serious nature that would dictate immediate processing of the suspect errr... subject. It took too many cops off the street doing paperwork because of some drunk idiot that didn't understand what trespass was.
"As a duly appointed representative of the owner of this property, I hereby warn you that you are trespassing upon this property as defined by the Nevada Revised Statute 207.200. If you do not leave these premises immediately, you will be subject to arrest for a misdemeanor." After they get hooked-up and LEO comes, a ticket is written and the idiot goes on his way. He was arrested for criminal trespass and it will come back as such.
Lip Licker
09-22-05, 05:19
You're going apples & oranges here. A ticket does not always represent a minor non-criminal infraction. Some minor criminal cases are handled with a ticket. Trespass is one of them. It depends on the nature and severity of the offense. Minor criminal offenses can be handled with citations/tickets. It's still technicaly an arrest.
Rolling thru a stop sign and criminal trespass are two different animals but both can result in a "ticket".
Cienega,
Thanks for the correction. For the NCIC check, I guess the local PD handle it very differently state by state(maybe even by county?). From my prior understanding, if you had never been arrested and fingerprinted, your check would come up negative. Do you know if you have arrests in another state and are arrested in Vegas, would it show when the LVPD calls it in to their dispatcher? I thought the Registered Owner or Driver's License checks that are radio'd in to dispatch are only run against that particular state's databases and the dispatch would come back with X priors and current warrants.
I guess Vegas is pretty cool in that if you are issued a "ticket" for a crime you won't have your fingerprints and/or picture entered into the NCIC database and don't have to go through the whole arrest(as in taken to lockup)/bail/court process. Am I correct in assuming that these ticket-able crimes are basically resolved by the accused having to mail in a fine or appear in court on a date set on the ticket? What other types of crimes do they issue only tickets for in Vegas?
The "N" in NCIC is for National as in "National Crime Information Center" :). It's DOJ/FBI run.
All the databases are available to local, state &, of course, federal LEO's. As long as they have the hardware to access. People, property, cars, guns - name it it's in there if it's crime related or missing. It'll show mugshots as well. I think it'll also show any type of criminal history on the individual queried.
I don't remember what class misdemeanor might not be in there but I don't think the lessor (stupid) ones would be.
Same with the ticket issue - I can't remember where the break is. The ticket is a promise to appear type thing and if you FTA on your due date the warrant issued will show up in NCIC, I know that much.
The trespass thing is so simple tho' being it's just "You should've left when they told you, dummy" type thing out here. Most of the subjects are just drunk idiots that don't know when to go home and feel macho-challanged when told to leave. Repeat cameos would result in a formal booking. There used to be an extensive time frame waiting for LEO to come take the person in custody away that it tied up both badges. Sometimes they wouldn't show at all and the person would be kicked loose.
The casinos have a shared network between them and Metro as well that's used for crimes, suspicious type events, BOLO's/missing persons, etc. And with that system as well - it's all a matter of who wants to spring the cash for inclusion.
This newer NCIC version was quite the step up with capabilities to match a digital fingerprint scanner. I can see it now. No ID check - just "Stick your finger on this pad, Sir."
Something of interest to visitors with serious (felony) criminal records: you can be arrested for breathing Nevada's air. There is a unique statute that requires any convicted felon entering the State to register themselves by appearing in person at the nearest police station shortly (I forget exactly how long, but not very long) after setting foot in Nevada. Of course none of them do this, so what this means is that in effect they can be jailed just for existing. Simply for failure to register, without commiting any new crime other than arriving and not telling the police they are here.
Add to this the fact that the guest registration records of all lodging establishments are required to be continuously available for perusal by law enforcement, not to mention the fact that it's such a heavily survielled place, and coming to Las Vegas has to be just about the worst possible idea that a really dumb badass type with a felony rap sheet could ever have.
Desert Dude
09-22-05, 13:21
The "N" in NCIC is for National as in "National Crime Information Center" :). It's DOJ/FBI run.
All the databases are available to local, state &, of course, federal LEO's. As long as they have the hardware to access. People, property, cars, guns - name it it's in there if it's crime related or missing. It'll show mugshots as well. I think it'll also show any type of criminal history on the individual queried.
All correct, one clarification, not to put too fine of a point on it. Typically the first checks done are the 10-29, thru NCIC, for 'wants and warrants'. 27 will verify driver's liscence status, 28 will check vehicle registration status. Criminal history doesn't come up on those, but has to be requested, and usually isn't unless it's an arrest or funny stuff comes up on the 29.
All correct, one clarification, not to put too fine of a point on it. Typically the first checks done are the 10-29, thru NCIC, for 'wants and warrants'. 27 will verify driver's liscence status, 28 will check vehicle registration status. Criminal history doesn't come up on those, but has to be requested, and usually isn't unless it's an arrest or funny stuff comes up on the 29.
Did you know that years ago most casino security departments were able to run 28's & 29's without a problem? Without a problem meaning call say I'm so & so with so & so security. They also had the ability to run a plate and get all the registered owner's info.
Something about privacy invasion and info being used for personal reasons pulled the plug on it...
Need to find out who the ole lady's banging on the side? Slip a 20 to your buddy in casino security...
Ah, the good ole days...
Did you know that years ago most casino security departments were able to run 28's & 29's without a problem? Without a problem meaning call say I'm so & so with so & so security. They also had the ability to run a plate and get all the registered owner's info.
Something about privacy invasion and info being used for personal reasons pulled the plug on it...
Need to find out who the ole lady's banging on the side? Slip a 20 to your buddy in casino security...
Ah, the good ole days...
About two or three years ago, while I was sitting next to him in the security office of a downtown property listening to him, a gaming property security guy did some kind of telephone check with Metro on an individual who I had a problem with. I don't know what that inquiry really included, and I imagine it might have simply been a check for local outstanding wants and warrants. She was apparently clean of whatever it was capable of revealing, and she was simply invited to leave the property freely on her own, or not so freely if she needed help making herself gone and staying that way.
Going back a few years, the last I remember was that only a few "chosen ones" were allowed the phone-call access. Chiefs, GM's, type of individuals. It may have changed - expanded or shrunk - since then with everything going computerized. But Metro used to have a property list of "priveledged individuals".
One of the first incarnations (mid 80's?) of the Metro-Security connection was the old CAT sytem. Crime Alert Terminal. Which consisted of a printer, modem & (your own dedicated outside) phoneline supplied by Metro thru a paid subscription.
I do know one thing - all this talk of LEO and history has given me a headache that I think only head will cure...
Desert Dude
09-23-05, 11:41
I do know one thing - all this talk of LEO and history has given me a headache that I think only head will cure...
I was thinking the same thing! Back to the appropriate focus! Anybody toured a bit further out by Castaways lately? One of my previous acquaintences called me up from a hotel kinda across the street from it. Although she said the area is sometimes used as a training area by Metro, it looked like a target rich environment...
Pussy Hunter
09-23-05, 17:29
Hey Mongers,
I've spent a couple of weeks here, but there has not been much action on this thread. We've talked about swing clubs and getting busted, but not much action! Too bad, that's what I like reading about!
I had a few sitings near just South of 515 near Desert Inn Rd.a BSW and a WSW. Also, there was one nice slender BSW on the corner of Trop and Boulder Hwy on the SW corner. This was all between 7-9pm last night.
I also headed north toward on Boulder Hwy where it turns into Fremont and saw a few WSW possibilities just NW of Eastern. One had a partner and another had a pimp, but she was definitely available.
I didn't pick up on any last night, because I had other plans, but I'll be back from Florida in another 2 weeks and I'd like to see some action posts from all you experienced mongers!
Be Safe, PH
Lip Licker
09-23-05, 18:01
Thanks for all the info on the NV legal stuff. I didn't mean to stray so far from the main focus of the board but for those who have a criminal record, it becomes an important issue. Will be in town next month so hopefully I can report back some intel.
Thanks for all the info on the NV legal stuff. I didn't mean to stray so far from the main focus of the board but for those who have a criminal record, it becomes an important issue. Will be in town next month so hopefully I can report back some intel.
I think it is right squarely in the middle of the purpose of the board, even if some may not find it entertaining.
Pussy Hunter,
You tell your Florida buddies you scored twice while you were last in Las Vegas but you only made a brief reference to meeting one little WSW named Mariana for ˝&˝ for a few Jacksons.
The mention was without a description of her physical appearance or condition of her body. The time and location were helpful to others on this site but if you want to see more action on this thread or forum, you should be more informative about your scores.
Tell us about the other score.
Stay safe,
OG
Pussy Hunter
09-23-05, 21:11
Hey Older Guy,
As it pertains to reports, there haven't been many of those of late, but I appreciate your observance of my posts, at least someone's reading them!
Your absolutely right, I did have another score on the infamous Boulder Hwy. I'm not sure of the date, but I hooked up with the nice little WSW spinner in the white skirt that I had missed the night before. It was around 9pm right near Sam's Town. That's a very confusing area with several criss crossing streets, but I spotted her on the other side of the road and made a quick U-Turn. She remembered me from the night before, since I almost had her in my car then. We made the appropriate ID's and we were off to my place!
She wasted no time when I got through the door and we were down to the bare essentials in no time. The deal had already been struck for 3 Jacksons and she started with a little BBBJ action to get me to the height necessary for the next item on the agenda! Once covered, she mounted me like a wild woman. I had to control that situation and finished her off from behind!
Her name was Cat (short for Cathy) and she rotates the areas she goes to, sometimes hitting some of the downtown bars and parts of the strip.
Keep on posting and BE SAFE! PH
ClitCommander
09-23-05, 22:24
As it pertains to reports, there haven't been many of those of late, but I appreciate your observance of my posts, at least someone's reading them!
Maybe we should create another category within this city. Regarding Neveda Revised Statutes etc..
Member #3330
09-25-05, 09:16
I was in the city a couple weeks ago (RTFF for my review). There seemed to be quite a bit of action on Boulder Hwy all the way from Fremont St. down to Henderson. During daytime I saw a stunning blonde in tight black dress in Henderson near Boulder Hwy. The problem was that LEO was watching her as she crossed Boulder and kept a watchful eye. I saw approximately 4 other WSW's during the day on Boulder. One was near Castaway's and the others were walking up from Boulder Station casino. During the evening I saw some activity near Castaways, across from Lowe's (saw a big fat blonde sitting at the bus stop). I also observed a decent HSW walking up Boulder and made a left just past Castaway's down the street where the 7-11 is (looks like some rough dudes hang out there).
As for Trop-Ind. I saw one possible WSW across from the In-N-Out Burger place but not much else. Industrial looks like it may be the type of area frequented by SW's but I wasn't in town long enough.
Hope to be back to the city soon. I love it there!
Maybe we should create another category within this city. Regarding Neveda Revised Statutes etc..
Nah - most of those discussions are the result of one tangent or another and just flow from there. I've yet to see one of them being the result of a topic starter.
I was in the city a couple weeks ago (RTFF for my review). There seemed to be quite a bit of action on Boulder Hwy all the way from Fremont St. down to Henderson. During daytime I saw a stunning blonde in tight black dress in Henderson near Boulder Hwy. The problem was that LEO was watching her as she crossed Boulder and kept a watchful eye. I saw approximately 4 other WSW's during the day on Boulder. One was near Castaway's and the others were walking up from Boulder Station casino. During the evening I saw some activity near Castaways, across from Lowe's (saw a big fat blonde sitting at the bus stop). I also observed a decent HSW walking up Boulder and made a left just past Castaway's down the street where the 7-11 is (looks like some rough dudes hang out there).
As for Trop-Ind. I saw one possible WSW across from the In-N-Out Burger place but not much else. Industrial looks like it may be the type of area frequented by SW's but I wasn't in town long enough.
Hope to be back to the city soon. I love it there!
The bus stops are actually used by people waiting for a bus from time to time. One good way to status check (an old LA trick) is to come back around AFTER a bus has passed. Still there? Odds are good if there's only one line servicing the stop.
ClitCommander
09-27-05, 17:59
I thought the bus stops were SW stops...lol
I find that pay phones in the areas populated by SWs are also pretty good hooker stands. Only about half of the outdoor public phones in some of those neighborhoods actually work. Holding a phone while displaying more interest in passing motorists than the receiver in her hand seems to be a common pose for some working girls. I think some of them go right for the nearest phone for one of these phantom conversations when they see a patrol car or if these good citizens just don't want foment civil unrest by committing the heinous dastardly crime of loitering. If she doesn't immediately want to interrupt the discussion with her imaginary friend I take this as a clue she may know about someone nearby that I haven't spotted.
My favorite bus bench is on the east side of Swenson just north of Twain. When young females park themselves there after dark I've found them interested in taking a ride with a Wastrel at least 80% of the time. Happens less often now than it did a few years ago, but still often enough that I go sightseeing there at four in the a.m. from time to time. Seems just about every gal I've met at that spot claims to be named Angel.
Here's the Angel's perch:
http://www.google.com/maps?q=3690+swenson+street,+Las+Vegas,+NV&spn=0.008381,0.014881&hl=en
http://www.google.com/maps?q=3690+swenson+street,+Las+Vegas,+NV&spn=0.004191,0.007440&t=h&hl=en
I always remind myself to be very alert for LE lurking near this corner at all times.
That's why they're trying to get rid of a lot of those old phone stands in these type of areas. Besides the fact that the vandalism and low-usage (other than the element) make them useless to most people outside of the hobby.
You can bet that LEO knows which phones are on-line or not. Must be real interesting to watch the phone conversation on a phone that's known to be dead.
On The Rock, the bus riders can wait for hours before a bus comes on graveyard so they blend in well.
The other night while actually looking to see where Lotus of Siam was situated (thought it was the one in the middle island building) and hours of ops, I noticed a few cuties hanging outside some Asian club next to the Cue. Anyone know what the joint is?
Also saw a few gender correct SW's getting in and out of a few cars in the NE quadrant of the CC.
On the way out of the area, on Karen I saw LEO flying onto Sherwood. Thought I would be nosey and look-see. Flipped a U at the end of the block before Sahara and heard the comments from the locals, "Coming back thru brotha?" Hey baby - come here right now suga". Looked like a small domestic squabble that the paramedics came by for as well. WFA with a torn shirt, mussed hair and a finger pointing to the back of the building.
It had that look hard over your shoulder aire to the neighborhood but no less than 6 BSW types on the sidewalks. One with her hand down her shorts trying to get my attention. All with a male friend or two close by.
The Rock had a lot of SWs puttering around - not all too bad looking. Seemd like everytime there was a LEO close-by. The further towards the Stadium the lower the quality. At the Sportsman was a LEO and an unmarked white SUV type - didn't catch the make but like one of those big wagon type of SUV. WHite. Lots of LEO just hanging around the whole stretch of road.
ClitCommander
09-28-05, 13:06
What phones are in operation in this city? Non that i know of. Anyway, If LE are to enforce the loitering enforcement, it doesnt seem worth their time considering other crimes are being committed in this fine city. If i was a SW, i would certainly act as if im using a phone when LE cruises by.
Incidently, I would think that SW would know better to prop a phone that says " not in service".
Ok, figure i edit this post. Saw a WSW near the Crossroads shopping center. Pretty good looking, but a driver in a black Ford Explorer beat me to it. She looked twice as if she was re considering her options. But to no avail, she hopped in the SUV with a black guy. I'm sure if if i had some crack to entice her with, she would have hopped in my car..lol! Anyway, no luck so i figured i get some food instead
Stayed in Vegas the last few days, the last couple in downtown.
Lots of sw around downtown, on Stewart, Ogden, Fremont, and Carson as well as side streets. Not many LE, but when they were there, they were extremely attentive. Not much quality, and any decent sw I did see got picked up really quick. There was one decent wsw, youngish, and cute. Nice body...about a 6 overall, but the type that could clean up to a Sunset Bl(Hollywood, CA) quality girl. I make eye contact and pull around the block. I roll down my window and smile. She immediately says " I know you the police". I laugh and take off. I should note that I'm driving a heavily modified (exterior and interior), high end import with california plates. There is basically zero chance that Metro has a car like this unless they confiscated it, in which case it would be a mad dash amoungst Metro Officers as to which one would get to keep the ride for their personal use. I was kinda pissed, but she was out for a while longer and never got picked up once so I'm guessing she is just overly cautious as she was by far the best looking sw I saw in this area all weekend. Most of this was between 12pm and 3pm each day.
Also cruised Fremont/Boulder Hwy from downtown out to Sams Town a few times. Saw sw every single cruise, but quality was highly questionable. The few hotties I saw got picked up super duper quick. I never even got close. I did get close to one red head. Far away honey. As she got close to my car, I could see she was a bit weathered. Still, I was horny as hell and was ready to let her in. Then she smiled. She should not have smiled. Missing, discolored teeth. Gross. I waved her away and took off. Note to crack ho's: don't smile if you do not have a full set of teeth. This was also early afternoon each day.
Finally, by pure chance, I came across a few sw in an unexpected area. On my way out of town I exited at tropicana to get food. I stopped at Wendys across from Wild West Gambling Hall. There was a cracked out girl begging money from cars. She looked good, but weathered. Actually, she was pretty damm hot, but had all the markings of a really bad drug abuser. I have no idea how a girl that looks like this winds up on the streets since most girls in her situation keep it together enough to work as a stripper or get a sugar daddy or something. Abcesses, scars, track marks. Still, I woulda taken a BJ. Basically she just ran around the parking lot barking loudly about how no one would give her a measly fifty cents. There was no place to discuss business as there was a ton of people there. I also saw a definite sw croosing the street from wendys and two more as I turned right from Tropicana onto the street that runs next to the freeway.
Desert Dude
10-11-05, 15:46
Good sightings Dr Spock, i mean Speck...Funny, that reaction to your car. Who knows, maybe she saw Metro somewhere and wanted to not get in a car at that time. You're 'unexpected' location used to be one of my favorite tracks. While they worked hard at cleaning it up, in my opinion anytime there's weekly apartments, there's potential for action. I also saw some potential at the AM/PM around Charleston/Casino Center...
ClitCommander
10-11-05, 21:46
Last night I was driving home and I noticed that "Industrial" has been changed to "Dean Martin Dr. " where Tropicana crosses.
Yea, they were going to call it "Jerry Lewis Drive", but considering he got busted driving under the influence in the past, they thought it would attract drunk dirvers.
I laugh and take off. I should note that I'm driving a heavily modified (exterior and interior), high end import with california plates. There is basically zero chance that Metro has a car like this unless they confiscated it, in which case it would be a mad dash amoungst Metro Officers as to which one would get to keep the ride for their personal use.
Years ago the Gang Diversion Unit, as it was called back then, used to just take cars out of impound and use them for work. Some had out of state plates, some were in the middle of being picked apart. The vehicles were mainly from heavy drug and/or gang related events and they were used to "blend" in with the area.
I got a ride in one of them rides once. Had no seats and the two dudes were sitting on milk crates. Next time I saw them they were in a black Benz w/ CA plates. They were an interesting pair...
Norman Stormin
10-12-05, 11:29
Then she smiled. She should not have smiled. Missing, discolored teeth. Gross. I waved her away and took off. Note to crack ho's: don't smile if you do not have a full set of teeth.
Wadaya call 32 crack hos sitting at the Atomic?
A full set of teeth !
Wadaya call 32 crack hos sitting at the Atomic?
A full set of teeth !
I beg your pardon, sir. I distinctly remember Jimmy the old night bartender once telling me that he'd decided to enforce a "three tooth rule." Any gal who didn't have that many wasn't good enough for the Atomic. 'Least not on the late shift. He never did tell me if they had to be opposing or adjacent teeth.
P.S. I appreciated the reports from Bubby & Speck from their visits. Seems they've got a good bit of the local SW game mapped out pretty well. Must have invested a lot of time on past expeditions or done a lot of reading here, compared to most visitors. I think I know little red Jennifer from Bubby's night #1. I think I hooked up with her at exactly the same corner, 'bout a block or so up from the South Cove Apts, more than a year ago, maybe two, when she'd just arrived in town. Not that you'd likely care about that, but glad to hear she's around if it's the same one. Seemed like she was (and perhaps still is) a pretty nice girl for someone doing business there.
Norman Stormin
10-12-05, 12:52
I beg your pardon, sir. I distinctly remember Jimmy the old night bartender once telling me that he'd decided to enforce a "three tooth rule."
But there were some notable exceptions. Such as Kat, a toothless wonder who could gum the chrome off a trailer hitch. She actually quivered in excitement as she drained your last drop of life's sustanance for a Jackson.
I tried to look up Jimmy on my summer sojourn to Reno. It was rumored he was bartending in Beaty. Rumor confirmed. He was working at the Burro Inn but they had closed their doors a week prior to my visit.
The location south of the Convention Center has proven to be a goldmine especially in the wee hours of the morning.
The loop from Paradise/Sierra Vista to Swenson/Twain has yielded many fine SW with little interference from LEO. The other night I met India, nice tight body, for some car action. She gives a great BBBJ and offered her digits when I have more time available and want to sample her other assets. I found India after striking out for nearly an hour. I found a cute blonde at the 7-11 on Paradise...she waved me down but then motioned for me to wait while she finished up a phone call. I waited 30 seconds in the McDs parking lot and then bolted, either she's interested or not, but I'm not sitting around attracting attention while she chats away on the phone.
I'll be returning to the area during my next free evening for more fun.
Let me thank whoever it was who pointed out this area. It might have been Wastrel, I can't recall, someone posted a map. Anyway, it is a nice small loop (unlike downtown) on small streets (unlike Boulder Highway) making it easy to stay safe but maneuver quickly. It has to be my new favorite hunting grounds hands-down. Followed by Boulder and then downtown. I have NEVER had any luck on the Trop/Industrial route.
The location south of the Convention Center has proven to be a goldmine especially in the wee hours of the morning.
...not for long if we keep posting about it. This is how all good spots go to shit. ;)
I was actually in the area earlier today around 3pm. I wasn't exactly on a pussy hunt, but my line of work brings me to that area about every other day so I stroll when I can. Saw several SW's this afternoon, borderline worth-the-stop H/WSW's walking around, obvious crack hos. Crack hos are fine, but when they're over 40 with meth'd out faces with questionable hygiene, count me out. One obvious BSW on Sierra Vista, tall girl, high heels and glitter mini skirt in broad daylight. She may as well have had a spotlight flashling right on her ass she was attracting so much attention. Several resident onlookers were watching her strut by as well.
No sooner than fifteen minutes of driving around, LE was patrolling the area, HEAVILY. I passed by a couple of patrol cars as I was driving my ass out of there, and it was clear they were glancing inside my car as I drove by. I got out of there QUICK. Careful guys, LE IS present. This is a good area, but there are a LOT of hiding places for the LE it seems. A lot of cars are parked in between buildings and in the streets, making it difficult to spot unmarked sadans. I always make sure I drive by the girl at least a couple of times before making the stop. As easy it is for you to maneuver your way out of the area, an LE can sneak up on your ass just as easy.
Vand,
Its not like the cops don't know where the strolls that are active are. They know before anyone can post the info on this board. The cops that are tasked to patrol for sws also know better than anyone else what they look like and where they take their sponsors.
I like the open postings so I can check out the quality of the street action. Then if I'm going to try to pick a sw, I can scout for LE, pimps, and any other trouble around the location before I go in for a pickup.
I don't just go in and ask if the girl wants a ride as soon as I spot her. Maybe I'm too cautious but I sure don't want to have to fly back to LV to appear in court for soliciting or loitering.
Now info such as phone digits and specific acts with names should only be given by email or PM. This info should never be an open broadcast. Since these are usually fixed locations or long term numbers, to expose them in an open forum would be to make them targets for LE.
Stay safe,
OG
Norman Stormin
10-16-05, 00:43
Trolling for street walkers is a very unpredictable business in this fair valley. For years I've done it at every hour of the day and night. There has never been any notable patterns or hot spots (other than Fremont Street from dusk to dawn when they were thick as coakroaches before Oscar's cleanup). Some days plenty of providers. Other days slim pickings. But even on the hottest summer day or coldest winter night, you'll find a few hearty souls out there plying their wares. Then there are a few days like today: a virtual Bonanza.
I felt like a little B/H cruise this afternoon. Not really looking for anything. Just a little window shopping and a few brewskies. First stop the Stadium about 16:00 (that's 4pm for you medical types). EUREKA ! Four speed queens present for duty. One outside on the veranda I didn't know. One inside the laundromat I got to know. And two in the bar I know very well, a spitter and a swallower. I paid my respects and bot each of them a domestic beer of their choice. After a short exchange of pleasantries I thought what the hell, how often does such any opportunity avail itself. Better two in the hand today than 32 in the bush tomorrow. I gave into my carnal a-dick-tions. I invited the spitter for a meeting with Saint Peter.
I chose the spitter because: a) I had had the swallower on Monday. b) I hadn't seen the spitter in six months. c) they are equal artists both enjoying skull fucking and deep throating. d) I owed the spitter one as she tipped me off to a serious deal going down I didn't want to be a party to. She was quite happy to see Saint Peter again and didn't fail me. I rewarded her with two Jacksons. You heard me, TWO. One for current services rendered and one for her stand up warning the last time I saw her.
I headed North on the B/H about 4:30. First sighting B/H and Flamingo bus shelter. Three walking on the east side and one on the west side between Flamingo and DI. One at the DI bus shelter. Nothing till St Louis then one at EVERY Bus shelter to Charleston. Three walking between the Lamplighter and Dennys plus one on the Showboat side. Up Fremont the normal gaggle of pimps and drug dealers around 15th then 3 unknown and 2 familiar providers as far as 8th and a Brewski stop at the Western (about 6 regulars and an equal number of weekend warriors).
Did the return trip to the Stadium. Similar sightings on the return with the most target rich enviornment being the strech from Charleston past the Showboat. There were 6 to 8 there on each of four passes I made between 4:30 and 6:30 (that's 0 dark 30 for you L/E types). For you doubting types, these are positive ID's. I do the customary honk and wave. When they wave back I know they're working. And I stopped and chatted with a couple to introduce myself for future ease of application. And when you see the same girl sitting at the same bus stop over two hours, you know she's not waiting for a bus.
On return to the Stadium, three of the four girls were engaged. I got a chance to chat it up with the one I didn't know. Laid the groundwork for a future engagement by allowing her to have a domestic beer of her choice. I did the complete loop again and a simialr target count. Only one black and white the entire tour and that was about 7p at a 13th and Fremont ho shake down.
What a day. Feast or famine. When it rains it pours. This must be an example of trickle down economics or all you mongers are over paying them on the strip whilst these poor B/H girls are starving. As for me, I'm starting a concerted sperm management program to try and feed as many of these street waifs as my old testicles will allow.
Hope this helps!
On second thought, this belongs here, so I've taken it out of the "Off-topic" thread:
CARSON CITY -- The Nevada Supreme Court on Wednesday will hear arguments about whether a Clark County anti-prostitution ordinance is unconstitutional.
A justice of the peace declared the ordinance unconstitutional last year, but a district judge disagreed.
Lawyers for $˘˘˘ $ $˘˘˘˘˘, a woman arrested and charged with "loitering for the purpose of prostitution," argue that the county's ordinance is too vague and "places arbitrary restrictions on personal liberties." The Clark County District Attorney's Office says the ordinance is clearly understood and does not encourage arbitrary arrests.
The ordinance makes it a misdemeanor to induce, solicit, entice or procure another person to commit an act of prostitution.
It says that someone can be considered to be doing this if he or she "repeatedly beckons to, stop, attempts to stop or engaged persons passing by in conversation, or repeatedly stops or attempts to stop motor vehicle operators by hailing, waiving of arms or other bodily gestures."
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$˘˘˘˘˘ had been near Fremont and Atlantic Streets on Aug. 28, 2003, when Metro Detective J. Signorello drove by. According to the officer, he tried to make eye contact with $˘˘˘˘˘, and then drove into the parking lot at Denny's.
$˘˘˘˘˘ allegedly got into the car and said, "Hey honey, you dating?" Police say dating is a street term for soliciting prostitution. The detective allegedly said he was not dating.
According to Signorello, $˘˘˘˘˘ became nervous and said she was not dating either, then tried to get out of the car. Signorello identified himself as a detective and $˘˘˘˘˘ allegedly admitted to him that she had been offering him sex for money. She was arrested, and police then found that that there was a warrant outstanding from Henderson for $˘˘˘˘˘'s arrest on a prostitution charge as well.
Tufteland said $˘˘˘˘˘ standing on the street did not create probable cause for an arrest. "But when she entered the police car and asked if he 'dates,' the officer had probable cause," Tufteland said. Burke said the ordinance does not provide sufficient guidance as to what is prohibited.
She said it could be used to arrest people who have done absolutely nothing illegal. As an example, she said a female visitor to Las Vegas "who happens to have the bad taste to dress in flashy, cheap and somewhat revealing clothing" might be on the Las Vegas Strip trying to find her friends. Thinking she sees her friends, she "beckons," but is mistaken.
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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/s.../519519424.html
Map of location of the unhappy couple's loitering for the purpose of not dating encounter:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2545+Fremont+St,+Las+Vegas,+NV&t=h&iwloc=A&hl=en
It was across from the Castaway's, which is due to be imploded early next year. But I see that she'd also been busted for working in Henderson, which would no doubt have been out on the southeast part of the Boulder Strip.
It's raining cats and dogs out there but the other head doesn't take a day off! After cruising around Boulder and Fremont with no luck I found BSW China near the Convention Center. 1/2 and 1/2 for .4 and one of my spare umbrellas. It's a mess out there right now so be careful.
Congratulations on your trip to China! She became famous downtown before moving to Swenson off DI.
On Paradise Road near the Hard Rock I noticed two very well dressed BSWs working opposite sides of the street around 3:00 a.m. As I reached Harmon there was a petite brown haired thing doing the tweaker's psychotic chicken dance all over it. I'm not absolutely positive, but I think she was the very cute little WSW from Utah I picked up on Karen several months ago for twenty. She's no longer cute; now she's just a traffic hazard as she bounces all over twelve intersecting lanes, and I'm stuck in a left turn refuge while the startled tourists around me burn rubber pulling erratic maneuvers to evade the half naked human pinball alternately flapping her arms and pulling up her blouse while randomly darting to and fro. I'm sure I've met those little brown nipples.
Escaping with my property still intact amid the impending carnage I found the better looking of the two Hard Rock hookers had made her way to the corner of Flamingo and Paradise. I pulled into a parking spot in the commercial lot nearby and reeled her in with eye contact after a few minutes. Tina was borderline Strip CW material in looks. She wanted at least eighty and a ride to her car several miles north to end her evening. I want a good five cent cigar. We settled on forty. She "usually can't do anything for that, but it's late and Metro is all over, and (she'll) make an exception, and we can meet again for something more next time, and blah, blah, blah..."
She wanted me to pull into an alley near St. Louis and Sahara where her car is parked. I don't think so. I was born at night, but it wasn't last night. Just one man's opinion, not a prescription for all, but I consider an invitation to "her place" on a first date to be a spin of a triple zero roulette wheel, and I don't like the odds, whether her place is in the Venetian or Vinnie's EZ Loan Emporium parking lot. Among other things, it is the classic set up for a "trick roll" and has been for longer than any of us has been alive, whether her place is an alley in Naked City or a jacuzzi room at the Mandalay Bay. I have done that, but not since I was drunk and therefore fearless and young enough to think I was immortal. I'm no longer either, and I don't choose to do that, period, no matter what she looks like or where I found her. I had some experiences in the distant past that came out OK, but also some in which I was lucky to just barely come out.
I have my own parking spots, and she did an acceptable pipe cleaning job in one of them before I dropped her off with a promise to call some day. I lie; ask anyone in town.
I discovered that the Shell filling station at the corner of east Tropicana and Pecos peddling regular for $1.65 keeps the squeegee water topped off at four in the a.m. and actually puts soapy stuff in it, in case Daddy Lows from the LA forum ever escapes for a visit to the U.S.A.
Hooker stand #1:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=4401+Paradise+Rd,+Las+Vegas,+NV+89119&spn=0.003705,0.010192&t=h&iwloc=A&hl=en
Tweaker chick demolition derby:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=E+Harmon+Ave+%26+Paradise+Rd,+Las+Vegas,+NV+89119&spn=0.003706,0.010192&t=h&iwloc=A&hl=en
Hooker stand #2:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=E+Flamingo+Rd+%26+Paradise+Rd,+Las+Vegas,+NV+89119&spn=0.003705,0.010192&t=h&iwloc=A&hl=en
Norman Stormin
10-21-05, 22:53
I decided to check out the Boulder action this afternoon at 4pm. Same time as Saturday's tour. But this time I started at the target rich enviornment south of Charleston. I took Eastern to Oakey then North on Atalantic to the B/H. I had never tried Atlantic. BINGO. One at the Castaways construction gate, one by the 7-11, and one by the taco shop. Right on Boulder, one at the bus shelter and one walking in front of the Castaways. I turned around about the end of the Castaway property and found one at the Lamplighter bus shelter and one walking in front of Denny's. I continued to my turnaround in the Western parking lot. Not much worth talking about between 8th and Charleston. In the 15 minutes this took there had been an 80% inventory turnover. Different faces in different places but about the same head count.
This time one with some rather large freely swinging mammaries caught my eye in front of the Lamplighter. I turned around, swung in their lot, and called her over. I offered her $20 to feast at the alter of Saint Peter. With a big smile she said you got it and jumped in. When I had her buckle up, I noticed there was more bulging under that sweater than big tits. She was pregnant. How fortunate for me. How long? Six months. Got any milk yet? Yes.
Then I started my disertation of how 50% of pregnant women can't stand sex and 50% can't get enough. She claimed membership in the latter catagory and was really frustrated as her boy friend won't fuck her now. I told her how erotic I thought pregnancy was. She recognized this and added her business has doubled since she started showing. By now Saint Peter was at full staff. We parked and she got right down to business. It didn't take long as I got really hot pulling on those big nipples. She seemed to be into it too as when I started to come she started bucking as if she was coming too. What an explosion. She got a double dose so big she couldn't hold it all. She shot my sperm management theory all to hell. It'll take three days to make up that load.
Her name is Marisa. Twenty something. Has all her teeth but they could use a cleaning. Very nice girl with a pleasing personality. No hurry, no pressure, no druggie, no whinning or begging. Attitude:10 Personality:8 Performance:8 Body: pregnant.
She asked me to drop her off behind Denny's where, to my great suprise, Big Daddy Pimp was waiting. I gave Big Daddy Pimp the high five and he gave me one of those big toothy grins. (Desert Dude is right. You don't have to worry about the pimps when you treat their cash cows right). I appolgized to Marisa for coming so quickly with such a ferocious load and promised I'd try to satisfy her urges as well in the next rendezvous. I wanted full service with a sampling of mother's milk from the spiggot. This evoked a big smile. She said that now winter is approaching she'll only be working days until sunset. Then she offered her number and said to call anytime.
Spent some time cruising the usual strolls during visit in late October. SW talent was pretty scarce and/or mostly low quality as has been the case on most visits in recent years. Did make a couple of pickups however. Found Kelly, a tall, thin, dirty blonde from Wisconsin in her 30s about 3am on Ogden. Nothing special in the looks dept but surprisingly sweet, feminine, and polite. BBJ for a jackson.
The other pickup was a bit more interesting. Spotted Reva, a blonde in t-shirt w/ a very nice rack walking on Boulder near Missouri about 11pm on a Saturday. She was swinging her hips suggestively -- it all looked pretty promising. Caught her attention and picked her up in a nearby trailer park. Did the deed there. Much older than I first thought -- probably early 40's but looked even older. I'm guessing she might have been pretty hot 20 years ago. Not now. Tried to pay her some compliment and she wasn't buying it -- basically told me she's a wreck, old and decrepit. However she did unveil an impressive set of breasts while sucking me BBJ. Nuthin wrong with those melons. Looked real. Nice erect nipples. Told me not to cum in her mouth which always annoys me.
The sad luck tales these women tell... Reva's tale if true was sadder than most. Said she has bone cancer and has been given 6 months to live. Recently just learned how to walk again. Both of her kids are in prison, her 18yr old son just started serving 5 yrs and she realizes she'll never see him again b/c she's a felon w/ warrants and can't visit him. Been homeless on and off for the past couple of years. Living now at Sportsmans on Trop and Boulder which seems like something of a hooker haven based on my experience.
Picked up a Fremont/BH regular crackho a couple of nights ago on BH and Charleston around 5pm. WSW, blonde, late thirties maybe forty, 5'7", small tits, totally crack dependent but looked good enough to me (from afar). She probably looked pretty hot say 20 years ago. Anyway, .25 for bbj .30 to swallow. She said she does absolutely anything you want for .45 including greek. Cum all over her hair probably included. Chose the .30 at an empty parking lot. She says she has a friend (a heavy-set girl with huge tits I saw walking close to her when I picked her up - not doable) that could team up for .80. Totally negotiable, as with a lot of those dependent types. Good attitude, safe, but has a huge history of jail time. She told me she'd been in jail for 8 years for accessory to murder among other things. Great! I'm not sure if I'll repeat this one, but if this is your cup of tea I'll pass the digits to well established senior members prevalent in the Las Vegas forum ONLY.
This report is delayed due to the fact that I'm becoming lazy in my old age.
Sunday night after midnight I prowled most of my usual SW hunting grounds, including the Twain/Swenson area, Paradise, Karen/Sherwood, Boulder, Fremont & adjacent side streets. The streets were desolate; ghostly quiet. I find that SW activity tends to pick up in the summer and slow down when the weather turns cool. This makes no sense to me in the Vegas climate. Can SWs really be so dense they go north to Minneapolis or someplace for the winter and then back south to the Mohave Desert in the summer, making them somewhat less sensible than a small migratory bird? Oh well, that's how it always seems to ebb and flow to me.
Fortunately, I don't have to care how many are out, or concern myself with the quality of the average SW I might see in any area, since I'm not randomly taking potluck. I only need to find one who's worthwhile to me, and the absence or poor quality of the rest are irrelevant. And that's what I found: exactly one good working girl on the streets of the big city. A little chocolate mouse, a petite 30ish thing named Karen who is a perfect definition of the term "spinner." She was in the middle of the notorious ghetto of the alphabet and president streets north of Washington and south of Van Buren between "D" and "H" streets, I forget exactly where, and she was really very cute with a sweet disposition, if you don't mind a woman with no breasts at all. She also was so skillful and accommodating that I just had to over-tip her for the standards of the area by giving her a second portrait of old Stonewall Jackson. I will be seeing this one again.
After depositing her near her favorite slot machine at the Town Tavern casino, or as near as I felt like going without dodging random small arms fire in the hood, I found the streets still looking lonely and chilly on my way back.
Desert Dude
11-07-05, 18:57
It was still quiet as a mouse. Spent a few hours stretching the legs from the Spike to the Western and surrounding environs. Ran into Tijuana, with her world-class China-like ass. She didn't have a room, although her 2 dudefriends were willing to pitch in on it. Oh well, tossed her a few bucks to keep her spirit up. Ran into a psychowench named Naomi at the Western. Was sure I was a cop. Had no money or roof. Didn't 'do that' anyway, although she just got out on a soliciting charge. Psycho. Old oral standby Deb was nowhere to be found. On the way out of town decided to swing by the old Trop/Ind track, what is it now, Trop/Martin?, doesn't have the same ring. This area has been, as loyal horndogs know, 'cleaned up' in the last year and a half. So I drove by just for old time's sake. Saw what appeared to be a short skirt and cleavage attached to a young black woman. Walking. By herself. Being the gentleman we all are, I of course offered 'Paradise' a ride. After brief introductions, she reluctantly agreed on .30 for a quick cbj. Offered her a tip if it was great. It was only good, but my hands roamed a pretty damn nice body, and supercute smile. Digits available for those who pass Vanderley's appropriate standards...
Was up there this past weekend. Went driving around on Saturday and Sunday. Went down Fremont all the way down to Boulder Highway up to the Sports Chalet and back. Did not find no one around. Saw a few potential BSW's but none would look my way. Might have been too cold to be standing around. Oh well better luck next time.
Desert Dude
12-02-05, 13:07
Saw a plethora walking between 10:00am and 11:30 or so. Duh, why didn't I figure this out earlier, check-out time is typically noon, they need to pay for the next night. Met Kim, wsw, 5'8" or so, dark hair, dark glasses, from Oklahoma. Pretty sweet girl actually. .30 for a romp in the hay that she seemed to be quite in to. Oh, and got another confirmation that a certain bsw who's name is the same of a popular mongering destination just south of the border is suffering from hiv and still working. PM me for more specifics if ya want, but play safe bros!
Locals, frequent visitors, and long time readers will probably learn absolutely nothing new from these, but I have too much time on my hands at the moment and maybe they'll be useful to a few newcomers, since LVMPD neglected to include this kind of data on their crime mapping website.
This is an assortment of places scattered around town where I've made multiple pickups or at least sure sightings of SWs this year. I know it's not a complete map of all the hunting grounds, but I limited myself to mapping places just on my own personal observations, and also made no attempt to include some major areas such as Boulder and the downtown streets around the Fremont corridor, since there are just too many streetcorners occupied by women of easy virtue or too wide an area to easily map.
Note to tourists: you may ask "are these areas safe?" Well, with the exception of the little somewhat high end hooker stand on Paradise Road, I'd say either not really, no, or hell no, depending on which spot it is. They're just like the SW areas in any major city, no difference. Boulder is probably more comfortable than these for many who aren't used to fishing around in some very low income housing project type places, in my opinion.
I used the little "$" icons to indicate definite instances of loitering for the purpose of getting the rent paid, seen within the last eight or ten months, and the pharmacy symbol "Rx" icons are places where I've regularly seen dealers and/or pimps also hanging around. I prefer to avoid the Rxs, but for those thinking of seeking them out, I'm sure they'll be glad to reach into the "other" pocket to sell you some of the most expensive baking soda or oregano on earth once they make you for a tourist or at least an outsider to their 'hood. Amazing how stable, in a way, some of these low income communities can be; seems the residents just don't get around much, and know everyone who's ever been there immediately on sight.
Cres Prophet
12-02-05, 18:18
Note to tourists: you may ask "are these areas safe?" Well, with the exception of the little somewhat high end hooker stand on Paradise Road, I'd say either not really, no, or hell no, depending on which spot it is. The truly adventurous can walk naked city at night and posibly find out why it's called naked city... not me though.
Note to tourists: you may ask "are these areas safe?" Well, with the exception of the little somewhat high end hooker stand on Paradise Road, I'd say either not really, no, or hell no, depending on which spot it is. They're just like the SW areas in any major city, no difference. Boulder is probably more comfortable than these for many who aren't used to fishing around in some very low income housing project type places, in my opinion.
Nice work!
Hell, after all these years - I STILL won't swim in the Alphabet Soup of "D-Hood". Not since I got rid of my 4-color (rust included) '67 Impala w/ the cracked windshield.
Naked City, or what is it since it's been cleaned up - The Meadows or some crap? It's not too bad since The Strat ate half the traffic circle.
I would give The Rock & Paradise both a "Level 2" Tourist rating - with a "Level 1" for those too afraid to venture off the strip.
The truly adventurous can walk naked city at night and posibly find out why it's called naked city... not me though.
That reason is a long gone reality in the history of Las Vegas.
Wastrel:
Thank you for your awesome contributions on the Las Vegas thread. Your maps are truly classic. Indeed there were a couple of areas I was not aware of (like the N of N). Never ventured that far. Other areas like the "D-Hood" is of course very familiar but I never dare to set foot in there in the wee hours of the morning.
In your list of maps, what time of day do you find them more abundant? The obvious of course is late night to dawn I guess, but do you ever find them during the day? Would you say most of them were BSW, HSW? Most of them older, younger? Could you break down some ratios in those areas from your vast collection of observations?
Was out early (4am) and saw a WSW 5'2" 100pnds, short red hair, looked cracked out, but gave her a shot. Pulled over she hopped in and we did the LE game. She wanted .50, but gave her .25 for a CBJ. All in all nice job, till she lit up her crack pipe in my car - glad it was a rental.
Could you break down some ratios in those areas...Well, no, I don't think I can, actually. Maybe someone else could. What I've seen is all over the map, so to speak. That bit of Paradise Road south of Flamingo seems to act like an overflow from the Strip. Corner of Sierra Vista and Cambridge was a favorite spot of mine for a long time, but for well over a year the whole neighborhood's been spotty and inconsistent, same with back of the Eureka. I guess I've seen most activity in the small hours between midnight and dawn, but that may be due to my hunting habits as much as anything. The Twain/Swenson area does have a lot of residents who are simply low income workers doing jobs such as hotel housekeeping and the like, so I can't really picture SWs openly working among the normal daytime activities. I can't figure out any kind of schedule at all up north near Nellis AFB. I suspect it might be a place to find a nooner, but I'm reluctant to deal with midday traffic going up there to find out. All of these places tend to have a majority of BSWs. I think WSWs are more often found on Boulder. I like Desert Dude's idea of fishing downtown around ten to eleven in the morning, before check out time at the roach motels where SWs often stay, but I usually can't bear to set my alarm to rouse me at such an uncivilized early hour.
That reason is a long gone reality in the history of Las Vegas.But if you could go back in time to investigate, the middle of the night would've been the time when you would NOT have found out, as I learned here from C.32 & maybe PZ? about three years ago, I think. Curses to some of these modern new-fangled inventions; some tasks were better accomplished the old fashioned way.
Have not seen any in the side walkway to Mirage. A few hookers in the casinos. Saw some nice girls walking away from the cowboys (cowboy convention in town) try 200, but the hookers walk away. I am sure they were asking 500 (possibly take 300). Not too active in the sports bar. I have gone there many times many times of the day.
I have not tried the other areas.
But if you could go back in time to investigate, the middle of the night would've been the time when you would NOT have found out, as I learned here from C.32 & maybe PZ? about three years ago, I think. Curses to some of these modern new-fangled inventions; some tasks were better accomplished the old fashioned way.
Quite true! Pretty hard to maintain that no tan-line look in the middle of the nite!
I've had some messages asking me to send the Google Earth "KMZ" files of those SW maps. I'm glad some folks found them useful, but I haven't thought through some of the issues that might be connected to sending back channel emails and files when I don't really know who I'm dealing with, so I'm posting these links to the public Google mapping site of the areas instead, and anyone who cares to can zoom and scroll around on their own as you like. I've also posted the Google Earth "address" (coordinates in latitude & longitude) for each, which could also be useful for those traveling with GPS, or perhaps if you should find yourself pinned down taking small arms fire from both sides of the street near the Seven Seas "restaurant" or the Town Tavern "casino" and find you need to call in an airstrike from Nellis AFB to get outta there.
The label "Hell" by the way, is tongue in cheek, coming from a somewhat overwrought piece of hysteria about that zip code appearing in a local weekly publication several months ago. There has been gang stuff in that Twain/Swenson neighborhood, and some occasional stiffs that have to be removed from the apartment complex dumpsters and such, but it's also in walking distance of the Hughes Center and some high rise condos on Paradise that sell for about five million each, and that zip also includes the Las Vegas Country Club. Though the Country Club does have a really big fortified wall around it. Purgatory, of course, is on your way to Hell.
Paradise:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hard+Rock+Casino,+Las+Vegas,+NV&ll=36.108881,-115.152522&spn=0.031420,0.054957&iwloc=A&hl=en
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hard+Rock+Casino,+Las+Vegas,+NV&ll=36.108881,-115.152522&spn=0.007855,0.013739&t=h&iwloc=A&hl=en
"bus bench" lat=36.1101962204, lon=-115.152933648
Hell:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Swenson+St+%26+E+Twain+Ave,+Las+Vegas,+NV+89109&iwloc=A&hl=en
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Swenson+St+%26+E+Twain+Ave,+Las+Vegas,+NV+89109&spn=0.007854,0.020385&t=h&iwloc=A&hl=en
lat=36.1223573258, lon=-115.145670978
Purgatory:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Eureka+Casino,+Las+Vegas,+NV&ll=36.143734,-115.147033&spn=0.015704,0.027479&iwloc=A&hl=en
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Eureka+Casino,+Las+Vegas,+NV&ll=36.143734,-115.147033&spn=0.007852,0.013739&t=h&iwloc=A&hl=en
"Sherwood Street" lat=36.142663781, lon=-115.147131442
Naked City:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Tam+Dr+%26+W+Cincinnati+Ave,+Las+Vegas,+NV+89102&spn=0.015704,0.040770&iwloc=A&hl=en
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Tam+Dr+%26+W+Cincinnati+Ave,+Las+Vegas,+NV+89102&spn=0.007852,0.020385&t=h&iwloc=A&hl=en
lat=36.1446788339, lon=-115.162546813
D-Hood:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Town+Tavern+Casino,+Las+Vegas,+NV&ll=36.186306,-115.149729&spn=0.015695,0.027479&iwloc=A&hl=en
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Town+Tavern+Casino,+Las+Vegas,+NV&ll=36.186306,-115.149729&spn=0.007848,0.013739&t=h&iwloc=A&hl=en
"Town Tavern Casino" lat=36.1861234588, lon=-115.149759801
Catfish "N Crack
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=H++Street+%26+Lake+Mead+Blvd,+Las+Vegas,+NV&ll=36.196306,-115.152233&spn=0.031385,0.054957&iwloc=F&hl=en
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=H++Street+%26+Lake+Mead+Blvd,+Las+Vegas,+NV&ll=36.196306,-115.152233&spn=0.003923,0.006870&t=h&iwloc=F&hl=en
Seven Seas "restaurant" lat=36.1959015235, lon=-115.152147093
North of North:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Four+Aces,+Las+Vegas,+NV+89102&ll=36.240508,-115.063048&spn=0.062733,0.109915&iwloc=D&hl=en
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Four+Aces,+Las+Vegas,+NV+89102&ll=36.240508,-115.063048&spn=0.062735,0.109915&t=h&iwloc=D&hl=en
lat=36.2401562738, lon=-115.064505853
Happy hunting,
W
At about 8pm last night (Tuesday) I saw a tall WSW working outside a bar on Sahara near Boulder on the SW corner. The place is named the Sahara Saloon (imagine that) and I've never been inside it, so I don't know whether there's anything going on in it or whether she just happened to land on that streetcorner for the moment. Probably the latter. She looked pretty good at 40 mph from across three lanes of traffic in the dark.
The night before I saw another tall WSW (not the same one) mid-thirties working the east side of Las Vegas Blvd in wedding chapel and pawnbroker territory between the Strip and downtown, I think around Charleston or so, somewhere around ten or eleven.
Between the cold and tens of thousands of cowboys in town at the moment I think the working girls are getting hard ridden and put up wet, and those two SWs are absolutely all I've seen anywhere outside of Fremont this week. I haven't been looking hard; too chilly for me too.
I normally don't post much but this time my ego compels me.
I saw a very attractive BSW in the same area Wastrel mentioned in his previous post. It was the Friday before last on Nov. 25. I saw her as I was driving north on the strip just past the Riviera, and thought she might be working. Beeeyyuuuutiful behind in tight jeans. I wasn't searching though and ended up eating at the McDonald's on Paradise. After eating I saw her again going north, this time around the OG. Figured I'd give it a shot and settled in an appropriate lot a few blocks up and waited. After about ten minutes I was about to go home when she walked past the building I was parked next to and into open view. I nodded, she got in, and MAN she was nice looking. A fresh, cute young looking face. I'd give her at least an 8. Name was Melissa, and she had a detectible Nigerian accent, although she said she'd grown up in the U.S. Whatever. Wanted 40 for oral. Found a place, whereupon I 'discovered' I only had 30, and she agreed. Good, long CBJ (well, about 5 minutes, long for this type of behaviour, heh), although a bit mechanical. Said she'd do greek for 150. Well, if I can talk her down to 60, then it's a go, but she looks too good to agree to that, most likely. I have a budget I stick to until I'm a millionaire. Hoh boy, but she was nice.
When even the tranny's are inside!
Made the usually run thru the CC and it was plain out & out dead on the north side by the swing clubs. Exiting to Karen and was surprised to see even that area dead. Them people are at the tranny stand like all-weather mailmen.
The Rock had a surprising number of SWs on it but it is hard to tell what's what when they're bundled up in 30 pounds of outer-wear. A couple down by Sportsmen looked like the Michelan Man. I passed on all of it and ended up at an AMP instead.
I was in Vegas this past week and had plenty of time for mongering. What I found first was trop and industrial were dead all week , nothing not even anything around the adult book stores.
Boulder not much to look at mostly 2's and they were few and far between. On thursday about 5:30pm saw a hsw tight jeans in early 20's I would say a 7 on the sw scale at the buget Suites near Sams Town. She was picked up before you could blink an eye. Also LE had a car pulled over in the same parking lot , I left.
On Tuesday I drove down Harmon and saw a wsw so I turned around in that vacant lot on the north side of Harmon by the bus stop and before I knew it a bsw was walking toward my car giving me the look. Anybody ever met Kimberly. Bsw 20yo 5'7" 120lbs. Offered bbbj and cfs for 100 for 1 hour in my room. Came down to 60 and off to the Palms we went. Between the traffic getting to my room and her service she spent the hour with me. When we got to my room she tried to up sell and I would have nothing to do with it , and she did just fine. I got a phone # for senior members. PM only.
Hooked up with a cw in the palms name was Gazzell , 5'2" 100lbs early 20's smoking body. Got to the room and this girl turned ***** instantly. She came down to 200 but that was only for a dance. Sorry woman but if I wanted a dance i'd go to a strip club. I showed her the door and she was pissed. Stay away from this one. I did talk to a couple of other cw's at the lounge bar while we played video poker . sorry I can't remember their names. We talk for well over an hour , they didn't seem to be in any hurry. I probably should of hooked up . Also the bartender seem to know who they were and what they were doing , everything was cool.
Desert Dude
12-13-05, 20:49
Ya, Gnomester, I did 4 laps around Trop/Ind last evening, not one even possibility. Sunday morning walked out of my Fleamont street hotel, ran right into Kim from Oklahoma from the week before. She had just started too, it was funny. Invited her up, she said wrong time of month, I said a bj would be fine, so we were off.
I was in Vegas for a quick trip last week. As far as SWs go, I saw two, well, one and one half. The first was a tall, slender BSW on Las Vegas Blvd. S. standing just down from the Del Mar Motel (the one with the adult movies and short term rentals). She was okay looking, and obviously working. That was about 3:00 in the pm.
The other one (the half) was when I was walking and she was driving down the strip in front of Imperial Palace. She leaned out the passenger window and propositioned me. That was about 3:00 am. Does that count as street walking?
Anyway, the town is far from dead.
Vegas Baby
12-14-05, 20:05
I agree Vegas is far from dead. Any questions rtff. Nuff said.
Vegas Baby
on Las Vegas Blvd. S. standing just down from the Del Mar Motel (the one with the adult movies and short term rentals). She was okay looking, and obviously working. That was about 3:00 in the pm.
Adult movies, short term rental, and bulldozed in August - THAT Del Mar?
Tis the season for divinely inspired miracles, and anything is possible. Is Elvis working the lobby?
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Aug-10-Wed-2005/news/27025457.html
There have been one or two working girls in that no man’s land between the north Strip (Stratosphere/Sahara) and downtown (Fremont) about every other time I’ve been down that stretch of LV Blvd in the past month. Looks appear to be midrange SW quality as far as I can tell while speeding by in traffic, but I haven’t taken any for a test drive. Ladies working that area most often tend to be migrants passing through for a week or two who are part of someone’s stable, rather than local regulars, and require above average precautions against cash and dash rip-offs, in my past experience.
I almost cried when I saw the clip Wastrel put on his comment. I've soaked a few sheets there myself and the Hotel office always gave a five star service. Too bad
Be safe!
Adult movies, short term rental, and bulldozed in August - THAT Del Mar?
Yeah, sorry. I meant the Oasis. Del Mar was there in the area for so long that it was just the name that stuck in mind.
I meant the Oasis.Thought maybe you did. These hot sheet places always live in interesting times, in a Chinese curse sort of way, but I'll continue my morbid eccentric notes on them over on the "off-topic" thread.
Yeah, sorry. I meant the Oasis. Del Mar was there in the area for so long that it was just the name that stuck in mind.
Very easy to do in that area, isn't it?
I didn't think you meant Oasis - I figured you were LEO trying to stir the pond and set us all up with requests for...
Nah - only kidding - I figured it was a geography error.
10safe0sory
12-16-05, 04:28
It's really pretty cold out there but LE is hot and heavy this PM. Lots of speeders and the like and it looked like a procession out there with all the flashing light from about 8 - 12midnite. One was cute but skinny but nearly frozen when she got in the car and she couldn't stop shivering and generally all she could do is talk about the rent and how cold she was. Not bad lookin but no smile and generally I just couldn't get interested so I let her off with cigarette money. There was some down by the Stadium but they were gone by the time I made a ueeeee. Saw some real dumb moves like going thru a red light to make a U-turn, take a huge chance by turning around on one of the medians to get to one on the other side. Just draws attention and not real smart.
Hit or miss down by AZ Charlies with no smiles and I just don't waste the time anymore, since for me anyway, a reasonable smile sets the tone. Not much in the way of good lookin either so I called it a night around 12PM and figure there are other days ahead. Watch yourself out there.
10safe
Desert Dude
12-19-05, 14:37
Ran into Star, young bsw at western kind of bar. Had a bunch of red highlights in her hair, tiny bit heavy, nice big C's, no kids. Told her .20/.30, she offered a dance. Ahem, girl, you gotta EARN that cash from the dude. But true [bs kickin in] that is way too low for someone as cute as you, never mind...Oh, she says, how about .4? .35 i said. Ok. Good cbj, lots of vocality...Pretty dead out there as cold as it is!
Picked up a thin-waisted 30-ish hsw, about a 6-7, in the late afternoon. Before getting in she said she needed $47 to get back in her room at Extended Stay America. I countered with $30; she wanted $40. Since it would only be a BJ in the car, she went for $30. (The next guy would get a real deal at $17, since she was only doing this to get back in her room!) She suggested a place which I declined and instead pulled in behind one of the local bars. Parking in an open area takes some of the "romance" out of it!
I was thinking that for us out-of-towners it would be worthwhile to stay at places like Boulder Station, Sam's Town, or Arizona Charlie's just to have a secure place to do the deed. Their rates are low, and with any reasonable amount of gambling would be comped. In fact, if one didn't like actually staying there, a room could be reserved just for the mongering with an actual stay place somewhere else on the Strip.
BTW, I assume that one is safe from LEO if no specifics are discussed (i.e., only a "ride" is offered) until after the sw is in the car, assuming that no decoy would do that. Agree?
Does anyone ever wonder why you don't see SW along Spring Mountain? With all the AMP you'd sure think they would be there.
I go down there regularly at all times of the day and never have seen a confirmed sighting. The last trip I saw two beautiful asain gals with a guy on the sidewalk and could not get any kind of eye contact. I suspected they were from the AMP across the street, but I would have sure liked to pick one or both of them up.
I've even wondered why you don't see them on Decatur, probably not enough hotels in the area.
R
Desert Dude
12-20-05, 18:50
Picked up a thin-waisted 30-ish hsw, about a 6-7, in the late afternoon. Before getting in she said she needed $47 to get back in her room at Extended Stay America. I countered with $30; she wanted $40. Since it would only be a BJ in the car, she went for $30. (The next guy would get a real deal at $17, since she was only doing this to get back in her room!) She suggested a place which I declined and instead pulled in behind one of the local bars. Parking in an open area takes some of the "romance" out of it!
I was thinking that for us out-of-towners it would be worthwhile to stay at places like Boulder Station, Sam's Town, or Arizona Charlie's just to have a secure place to do the deed. Their rates are low, and with any reasonable amount of gambling would be comped. In fact, if one didn't like actually staying there, a room could be reserved just for the mongering with an actual stay place somewhere else on the Strip.
BTW, I assume that one is safe from LEO if no specifics are discussed (i.e., only a "ride" is offered) until after the sw is in the car, assuming that no decoy would do that. Agree?
I think getting a room at one of those places would be pretty smart. I stayed at the Fiesta Henderson once and it was handy for bringing back a little, oops, thinking back, not so little lady for some fun. Sure, gonna troll boulder, get a boulder, for downtown, get a room downtown. Beats the risks, imho, of a car. LEO safety...I'm no expert, but i wouldn't make the assumption a 'decoy' wouldn't get in your car. I agree, don't talk about services/$ thru the window, but even so there's no guarantee....
Actually, to take your room idea one step further, how about goin in on a conversion van with, say, cienega, wastrel, etc...If this van's a rockin...
I was thinking that for us out-of-towners it would be worthwhile to stay at places like Boulder Station, Sam's Town, or Arizona Charlie's just to have a secure place to do the deed. Their rates are low, and with any reasonable amount of gambling would be comped. In fact, if one didn't like actually staying there, a room could be reserved just for the mongering with an actual stay place somewhere else on the Strip.I've done this, and it's worked out well for me. Especially good when places like Arizona Charlie's get down to a nightly rate of under twenty bucks, as they sometimes do on very slow weeks through some of the wholesalers like travelworm.com vegas.com and i4vegas.com Especially nice at Charlie's becuase it has individual doors opening out directly onto a large surface lot, usually allowing you to drive up right to your door, as it used to be an apartment complex before it was redeveloped.
BTW, I assume that one is safe from LEO if no specifics are discussed (i.e., only a "ride" is offered) until after the sw is in the car, assuming that no decoy would do that. Agree?The part about getting in the car is an absolute affirmative. A law enforcement officer positively will not be getting into an unknown private vehicle with an unknown driver to conduct a sting. The officer's safety is the paramount concern, and there would be a lot of dead officers if they did this. They don't. Never. Decoys want to talk through the window, while remaining relatively stationary for her backup officers' surviellance angles, and direct you to a prearranged location to complete the bust. A large fraction of guys getting themselves busted for picking up SWs end up being charged with other offenses becuase they are lifelong criminal numskulls who are sometimes armed and may be moronic and dope addled enough to be violent with a police officer. For all they know you may very well be stopping to pick up some company after sticking up a liquor store the day after you were let out on parole. Ever notice how they approach a vehicle on a routine traffic stop? They want to keep their officers alive and healthy more than they want a misdemeanor bust. I'm almost reluctant to post this becuase I know in some other sections of the forum this subject has provoked some rancorous back and forth with some folks who have some difficulty comprehending basics of police procedure, but trust me or not depending on what you think this is worth, I really do KNOW for sure on this point, in ways that I wouldn't choose to discuss here: they will not ever get in your car. Never. Period.
Now, based on a vague conversation without mentioning sex or money they might still choose to give you a bad day by using their discretion to find some other pretext (do a search on "obstructing traffic" in the general reports thread) but the intent of a sting is to get you to initiate the completion a checklist of predicates for a prostitution arrest on tape in the pre-designated location. But you also need to be concerned about an officer you don't see who is shadowing a real SW and is prepared to swoop down upon whoever picks her up. Even if you haven't committed any overt act and aren't stupid enough to admit to any unlawful intent, you can't always count on the SW having enough sense to avoid incriminating both of you by making dumb statements in the presence of someone who is trained to get them to do so, and if they are feeling pissed there is always some kind of violation that can be used when they know perfectly well what was really going on. Don't bother trying to bullsheet them with a story that a trained interrogator can shred in about ten seconds without even working at it, but POLITELY don't admit to anything. Very politely becuase Vegas Metro P.D. is world famous for retaining some emotionally unstable rotten apples in the ranks who just never get fired. [As reported just yesterday, for example: http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Dec-19-Mon-2005/news/4829428.html ]
Personally I will often choose not to have anything to do with a SW who won't move to my vehicle when I make eye contact then pull to a less visible spot a little distance away, and then immediately get in the car as soon as I decide I'm ready to release the latch. Sensible SWs usually want to be walking a bit anyway, so they aren't loitering, and they know when a car has made a pass and has pulled in somewhere to provide an opportunity for a discrete approach. I choose to pass on some legit SWs this way, but if she is too dumb to understand the basics of police procedure and basic legal issues related to her occupation and therefore my refusal to discuss business at her corner through the window, then she's just too dumb to s&ck Wastrel's d?ck, and I don't regret passing her up. Others are welcome to make another choice, and many do; but this is what fits my own priorities, not just for safety but also becuase I don't believe in pissing everybody off by making an annoying spectacle out of it in front of someone's home or business.
P.S. Never thought I'd lust after one of those mullethead vans, but I would kick in two Benjamin's towards a street legal primer grey and bondo putty model registered and insured as a company vehicle by "Evadocop Timeshare Enterprises, Inc." And, we could park in loading zones if we put a company logo on the sucker.
I have seen on "Cops", where they will arrest a suspect even though no offer of sex for money was made. If I remember they arrested the guy for loitering. So do not use the term 'date'. This has been used to arrest someone for "intent to solicit". I recommend you only ask the girl if she needs a ride..
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