Delaware Douchebaggery!

[Cephlapod Love]

This is a "fight" thread for the State of Delaware.

Open season here. Say whatever the F you want! Just don't pizz off the Admin with things that are out of bounds per his rules.

Oh and I am moderating this freaking thread, for now, so take yer shots at me if you wish. LOL!

On with the douchebaggery!

[Cephlapod Love]

Now there are MANY good guys around these parts and many have communicated openly and via PM. (you know who you are).

BUT there are a number of real AzzH*les in DE and it only takes a few ( 5) before the whole "system" gets mucked up!

I mean REALLY. We had some dude show up last year and new to the area and confidently make statements like he knew what was what. Then had the nerve to say DE s*cked and he was taking his kit to PA and Philly to play.

Then this dude comes back to the DE boards, now that he has a higher count of posts (prolly 85% were 411 requests) and gets all loud and vociferous about how scary it is to post any information in public and encouraging others to just PM information. Well since that happened, the DE boards have been pretty much DEAD! Sad thing is if the dude would open his mind and attempt to LEARN rather than show his lack of knowledge and unfounded caution, he could learn how to monger in a protective way! BUT NO! Pronounce things too scary or dangerous and go hide in the shadows. Sigh.

THEN I get some dude PM-ing me and wants to know if I know about some girl who stood him up. As it were, I do know the girl and have dated her and had info. But yet this dude has not posted one shred of helpful info on these threads for YEARS! Oh, he was around way back when when everyone was trying to figure out if Eve in Newark was a set-up, scammer or whatever. But that was 5+ years ago. Then when I challenged him to report on the threads, dude says he's been dating UTR girls! WTF! That's the gold that needs to be shared and the purpose of these boards.

Oh and not to mention Captain Save-A-Hoe as the street girls call him. He loves to show this site and every review to the girls! MuthaF*cker cock blocked me a couple of times with that move. But hey, who cares, just be a "one-way" guy and scr*w over the next guy.

So which one are youse? A valued contributing member of the threads, or a one way guy who only takes and never pays back or pays forward?

[Cephlapod Love]

I mean sh*t! REALLY! It just does not pay to post on the DE boards any more! You mention (not review) some girl you had fun with and the dudes come out of the woodwork with PMs begging for her number! WTF! Guess I would be inclined to be helpful and all but:

1) They usually have ZERO or very few posts.

2) Most of their "contributions" have been 411 requests.

3) They are in a dry spell and thus have nothing to trade, or their "trade" stuff is something I rejected, passed on, avoided (no fly list) or moved on from.

I mean really, if you have been around this game for more than a decade, you ought to have more than the equivalent of one post per year! Surely one that has been interested that long could have posted technique questions or something to establish a position in the community?

So yeah, I am down for taking HUGE risks, spending my money & time driving around sampling all of the girls on the street, contacting every CL girl and dating each BP advert all so I can provide an easy ride for any dude that comes along! Yeah, that is the ticket! Just name me 411 Sucker of the Year!

Bottom Line. If you are having a hard time mongering are you sure you are as "educated" as you need to be about the hobby? I am always glad to help, as are others, with advise on techniques be it SWers, CL / BP girls, AMPs, etc. But to "give away" my hard won favorites to just anybody?

CL.

Mongering looks easy, good, consistently safe mongering is anything but easy!

[Cephlapod Love]

So I made a date with a girl off of CL the other day. Got done with the back & forth texting and talked to her on her phone. We had plans to meet shortly. However, when I get on the phone with her, all of a sudden she asks if I can go later. Been around this game long enough that I suspected some other monger had stepped in line ahead of me by offering the girl list or above list price. COCKBLOCKED! (Me? I take my own advice and ALWAYS negotiate!) So we agreed to a later time (day) and I move on with my day.

Then no more than 30-minutes AFTER we spoke, her she is on the phone. "Hey, can you come now instead?" I asked, and she told me that some other monger had just stood her up. WTF! She tells me the dude drove past her, didn't like what he saw and so he booked out of there. Jeez, dude. This is like scooping a SW, once she in your car or you made firms plans, you owe her a forfeit if you walk away from the date! Mutha F*ckin azzhole!

(You can always walk in the face of danger, but this clearly wasn't one of those situations.).

But what gets me is how could the dude walk away? She sent me plenty of pics, enough that I could tell she wasn't a spinner. What is your F'in problem? Too stupid to ask for the right kind of pictures? (I asked for a pic that showed her belly, since the first ones she sent did not show it. She happily replied. Yeah she has "Mommy belly. ") Too dense to look at pictures with your BIG head? Or just a tire kicking yellow bellied, lilly livered, p*ssy that never really intended to date her, because you don't actually have the b at lls to do that?

WTF do you dudes expect off of CL or BP? You want the 9's & 10 model types them open up your wallet and take out 300- 500 and head to eros.com and you'll find that. But sheesh, in the under 100 range, you are hunting unicorns.

I guess I should thank azzholes like this? The reason I have so much success is that there are plenty or jerks and azzh*les around like this dude. So when a girl finds one like me who treats them well, respects their time and is polite- I tend to get the world from them. But Jeez. It sure is frustrating having to deal with the blowback from bad behavior!

[Cephlapod Love]

So, I've been around awhile and sometimes post some of my finds. Also have made many friends here. But there seems to always be a few that get jealous of someone else's success or who are just plain azzh*les and can't help but take potshots at others. This site is about sharing information on girls who date. As such it makes sense to be nice to your fellow posters here. But apparently some guys can't help themselves? So bash away at others or threaten them through PMs, etc.

But occasionally there is a dude that takes on the White Knight role and puts a girl first. Guess those dudes never herd the phrase "bros before hoes?" Oh and on top of that they think they are "helping out" when they break the first rule of Fight Club and show a girl this site! But hey, then there is the unique dude who apparently took a shining to a girl enough that he thought it was appropriate to PM me with some garbage BS one of the girls spouted forth! Not real friendly, I observed. Plus he broke Fight Club rules.

Then this dude, observing that I moved on and found something enticing, apparently something he found to be interesting too, has the b at lls to PM me again asking for contact info? I mean seriously? Last PM from you called me names and wasn't friendly. You carried some wh*res water and pizzed all over my shoes! And now you want to fall back on those were her words and not yours? LOL! You delivered them! You took a hoe over a bro. You showed her this site. So why would I want to help you out? Huh? 1) You were a douchebag toward me and 2) Why would I send you to a trusted girl if you are gunna White Knight her and bad mouth me?

Well good luck with that! Hope this is a "teachable moment" for you! Try posting some solid reviews, sharing info on your favorites and helping others out. Perhaps one can recover from a self inflicted gunshot wound?

Happy hunting!

[Bunker Buster]

This is a "fight" thread for the State of Delaware.
On with the douchebaggery!You've definitely run across some douchebaggery, though. The guy who trashed you then turned around and asked for a referral is pretty ballsy.

[Cephlapod Love]

You've definitely run across some douchebaggery, though. The guy who trashed you then turned around and asked for a referral is pretty ballsy.No one's in here fighting with you. LOL

This isn't a CL against the world fight thread. Please note that other cities have threads where name calling, arguments and general douchbaggery are allowed. (Philly- Mighty Mick's Boxing Club, Charm City- Rants & Raves, Chicago- Rants, Raves and Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy Theories, Jacksonville- The Woodshed, etc) Mod / Admin created them as a place to flame others in a way to keep the threads clear of garbage. DE didn't have one, so I created one! So rather than get banned by arguing with another poster on the "normal" threads one can do it here. I guess it is an outlet.

So far have refrained from naming names. Fwiw.

[Cephlapod Love]

CL Against the World

Ceph is a total lame-o, you heard it here first boys.

Always providing useful information and helpful tips, what a nan.

Seriously though, is the DE board big enough to sustain any problem children? We get the occasional 1-post "Yo, let me get that info" but that's the worst I've seen in my limited time. Should I dig deeper into the past for some drama-llama entertainment?

-XPeaceSellsX



I accidentally deleted this post but was able to capture it from the cache and restore it here FWIW. The italics above is said post. Now a comment or two.

The point is that NO, the DE board is not big enough to sustain when douchbaggery happens. There are plenty of lurkers here and quite few posters. So when some dude shows up and doesn't understand how things work and gets scared and essentially spouts off that it isn't safe to post or he's scared to do so, then that does nothing to turn the lurkers into contributors. Then of course ask any of the girls that were UTR and kind guys like Chipper10 or PappaSmurf or others have offered to share their numbers. Those girls will tell you about 50% are tire kickers, time wasters or picture collectors, not really going to come through with a date. Then about half of what is left will make an appointment and no show, or make some lame excuse 5-minutes after the agreed meeting time. Oh and then there are the dudes that do see a girl that is shared and they treat her badly, so much so that the girl blames the dude who shared. Of course then there are the White Knights who show reports to the girls which ends up cockblocking the dude who reported. Or of course the dude who put hoes before bros, then expected to reap the rewards here.

There is enough douchbaggery around DE that several VERY GOOD mongers have backed off from posting. So maybe some of the offenders can see themselves in these "grousing" posts? If so, the best way to turn that around is to share reports on finds and with time and valuable contributions, past mistakes can be forgotten.

Look, being new or having less experience is no reason to shy away from posting. Just don't try to fake like one is an expert. In fact, I cut my teeth and created a rep here by asking rookie mongering & technique (How to) questions. Asking often gets many replies and ways to stay safe, etc. Much easier to learn through Q&A here than on the streets, where mistakes can be costly, dangerous or get you jammed up.

[Cephlapod Love]

So I see a girl from DE posted on USA Adult Classifieds! WhooHOO! We are growing up!

Then I note that the girl didn't post herself, but some monger posted the advert for her! Had not seen the moniker for the monger before, so I looked him up and what did I find?

The "dude" is a scumbag lurker! ZERO freaking posts! So he's been banging this hot chick for a while, but hasn't bothered to post a report? WTF! Then he goes all "White Knight" and posts an advert to "help her out?" Jeez, dude, if you had just posted a report, she'd have plenty of business and you wouldn't have to advertise her.

HOW DO WE EDUCATE THESE DUDES AS TO WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE A DECENT BOARD IN DELAWARE AND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO?

[NewcastleBreadfan]

So I see a girl from DE posted on USA Adult Classifieds! WhooHOO! We are growing up!

Then I note that the girl didn't post herself, but some monger posted the advert for her! Had not seen the moniker for the monger before, so I looked him up and what did I find?

The "dude" is a scumbag lurker! ZERO freaking posts! So he's been banging this hot chick for a while, but hasn't bothered to post a report? WTF! Then he goes all "White Knight" and posts an advert to "help her out?" Jeez, dude, if you had just posted a report, she'd have plenty of business and you wouldn't have to advertise her.

HOW DO WE EDUCATE THESE DUDES AS TO WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE A DECENT BOARD IN DELAWARE AND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO?Maybe we can just get lurkers to implicitly report by getting them to run ads for all "their" girls. It'll populate USAAC at least.

[Waahoo]

I have a good one for the douchebaggery report. It seems Uncle LEO paid the Claymont crew a visit today. Didn't catch them but were at the desk with pictures asking questions. This is what happens when posters go stupid. Instead of short and to-the-point, someone started bragging and giving WAY too much detail- Exact location, pricing, physical acts, etc. It says at the bottom no exact address or you will be banned. He didn't give the room number, but gave evreything else. Got busy tooting his own horn and lost his f-ing mind. I guess he thought he was logged into Penthouse Forum. When they confronted him, he said he didn't feel it was that exact. It was cryptic, but a second grader could have figured it out. Now, they aren't seeing anybody and are going into hiding for a while. They really can't afford that.

To the monger who tipped them off this morning, thanks! It was a close call.

Rant over,

Waahoo.

[Cephlapod Love]

Been getting requests to share contact info for girls I have seen & posted about. It is amazing how many dudes feel "entitled" to contact info. So here is an open letter to one of those that contacted me. The guility party should get the message, but it serves as a "guide" to others- hopefully!

Hey XYZ987,

My apologies, but you are getting my less charitable side dude to recent events.

1) While you're a senior, most of your posts are down in Charm City and no posts in DE. How's that help the DE cause?.

2) Your last post was over 6-months ago and only 6 in all of 2016, only two could be considered "reports" on dates, and those only in reply to others. What? You thought I wouldn't check?.

3) You didn't even bother to offer up anything to share. SERIOUSLY? Not even a common courtesy? WOW!.

4) And this is the killer. One of your fellow Balto posters got the girl's number and beat her out of money! One bad apple spoils it for the whole bunch!.

So why should I help you out? What is in it for me? Huh? You contribute nothing in the area that would be useful to me, you are not really an active poster and you didn't even have the courtesy to offer up something in trade. WHAT? Just because you are a Sr member makes you "entitled" to a handout? REALLY?

I'm just sayin'.

CL.

[GioBeYourBody]

If this is the wrong thread for a general B&C, by all means relocate it to the proper forum. So, can anyone here actually claim that they have ever seen a massage provider, AT A PARLOR, who was accurately pictured in an ad? The flooding of AMP ad's with these pics of the HOTTEST asian women on the planet is just simply redundant. And quite frankly, annoying af! Pictured is a 21 yr old dime piece. In reality, a 45 yr old grocery bagger. Look, I'm not saying that they're not still good at providing the service, but come! On! Maaaan! 4 out of every 5 ads on BP is of a "Grand Opening" for an AMP with pictures of women (highly airbrushed) who have never even stepped foot in this country, none the less in Delaware.

So in all seriousness, Can anyone verify a single AMP ad in Delaware that has used a legitimate / accurate picture of their providers?

Complaint, done. For now.

[Member #5980]

If this is the wrong thread for a general B&C, by all means relocate it to the proper forum. So, can anyone here actually claim that they have ever seen a massage provider, AT A PARLOR, who was accurately pictured in an ad? The flooding of AMP ad's with these pics of the HOTTEST asian women on the planet is just simply redundant. And quite frankly, annoying af! Pictured is a 21 yr old dime piece. In reality, a 45 yr old grocery bagger. Look, I'm not saying that they're not still good at providing the service, but come! On! Maaaan! 4 out of every 5 ads on BP is of a "Grand Opening" for an AMP with pictures of women (highly airbrushed) who have never even stepped foot in this country, none the less in Delaware.

So in all seriousness, Can anyone verify a single AMP ad in Delaware that has used a legitimate / accurate picture of their providers?

Complaint, done. For now.There's a place in Elkton just across the Newark border that uses real pics. It's been a while since I've went there, but I the girls in the ad at the time were the ones that I saw. The girls from before seemed to have nicer bodies than the current lineup.

http://delaware.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/400-real-new-face-asian-baby-443-553-5922/5583592

[Explorer21]

If this is the wrong thread for a general B&C, by all means relocate it to the proper forum. So, can anyone here actually claim that they have ever seen a massage provider, AT A PARLOR, who was accurately pictured in an ad? The flooding of AMP ad's with these pics of the HOTTEST asian women on the planet is just simply redundant. And quite frankly, annoying af! Pictured is a 21 yr old dime piece. In reality, a 45 yr old grocery bagger. Look, I'm not saying that they're not still good at providing the service, but come! On! Maaaan! 4 out of every 5 ads on BP is of a "Grand Opening" for an AMP with pictures of women (highly airbrushed) who have never even stepped foot in this country, none the less in Delaware.

So in all seriousness, Can anyone verify a single AMP ad in Delaware that has used a legitimate / accurate picture of their providers?

Complaint, done. For now.Yeah, I think the one in Elkton / Newark near that Wawa uses real pics. Crystal Spa up in Wilmington used to use real pics but their new girls aren't on the website but some of the old girls are on the site (but most of them aren't available any more). I think the one that labels themselves as Sand's Spa on Maryland Ave uses real pics. I also believe the video shot by the spot at 201. S Maryland is the real girl.

Other than that, you are completely correct. Most of these spots advertise with fake pics and hags answer the door.

[GioBeYourBody]

There's a place in Elkton just across the Newark border that uses real pics. It's been a while since I've went there, but I the girls in the ad at the time were the ones that I saw. The girls from before seemed to have nicer bodies than the current lineup.

http://delaware.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/400-real-new-face-asian-baby-443-553-5922/5583592
Yeah, I think the one in Elkton / Newark near that Wawa uses real pics. Crystal Spa up in Wilmington used to use real pics but their new girls aren't on the website but some of the old girls are on the site (but most of them aren't available any more). I think the one that labels themselves as Sand's Spa on Maryland Ave uses real pics. I also believe the video shot by the spot at 201. S Maryland is the real girl.

Other than that, you are completely correct. Most of these spots advertise with fake pics and hags answer the door.Thank you Jers and Explorer for your responses and link, respectively. I have found this genre of mongering to be the most disappointing of them all for Delaware. With SW's, you obviously know what you're getting right on the spot. With BP esc's, you can usually find enough reviews to make a sound decision. But with these AMP ads, unless you head up to Philly, chances are your provider is going to be a prune grandmother servicing you, but the ads are of a ripe flower.

[Member #5980]

Thank you Jers and Explorer for your responses and link, respectively. I have found this genre of mongering to be the most disappointing of them all for Delaware. With SW's, you obviously know what you're getting right on the spot. With BP esc's, you can usually find enough reviews to make a sound decision. But with these AMP ads, unless you head up to Philly, chances are your provider is going to be a prune grandmother servicing you, but the ads are of a ripe flower.Yeah. I don't even bother with AMPs in DE at the moment. There's too many mediocre places, and even if you stumble across a decent girl she'll be gone the next week.

For my AMP itch, I hit up DaDaDa in SNJ. Even if they aren't spring chickens, they all have great bodies and the TS and ST are better than most other places.

[Explorer21]

I'm sure you guys have heard of Exotic Philly Models (google it if not) in Philly. It houses some very fine ladies (accurateish photoshopish photos on their site). Of course, most of them have gone through surgery but aesthetically. For 250 it is a great deal. This is considering the 160-180 range for FS at most parlors here. Multiple pops are allowed (maybe 2 max. But between two showers and 2 pops, there isn't time for much more in a 60 min session) and I've never tipped beyond the initial rate. This is just a heads up because even Philly can be a hit or miss when visiting those regular parlors. From my experience, the hit rate of getting a younger lady is higher. But the shape and size is variable. I could probably group most of my DE encounters into a more consistent range.

If you guys haven't heard of it, BBBJ is on the menu and P2 P can be had as well. Depending on your comfort level of activities, be proactive because it happens so quick you don't even know until it is too late.

Of course, the problem is the drive. 45 minutes isn't bad, but the total round trip ends up being about 3 hours plus parking annoyances.

[J Richard]

I'm sure you guys have heard of Exotic Philly Models (google it if not) in Philly. It houses some very fine ladies (accurateish photoshopish photos on their site). Of course, most of them have gone through surgery but aesthetically. For 250 it is a great deal. This is considering the 160-180 range for FS at most parlors here. Multiple pops are allowed (maybe 2 max. But between two showers and 2 pops, there isn't time for much more in a 60 min session) and I've never tipped beyond the initial rate. This is just a heads up because even Philly can be a hit or miss when visiting those regular parlors. From my experience, the hit rate of getting a younger lady is higher. But the shape and size is variable. I could probably group most of my DE encounters into a more consistent range.

If you guys haven't heard of it, BBBJ is on the menu and P2 P can be had as well. Depending on your comfort level of activities, be proactive because it happens so quick you don't even know until it is too late.

Of course, the problem is the drive. 45 minutes isn't bad, but the total round trip ends up being about 3 hours plus parking annoyances.While working in Philly this was by far my favorite, while on the high end it is a place everyone should experience at least once. Follow the reviews on the Philly board and you may just wind up going for a visit.

[Cephlapod Love]

The origin of the phrase "poetry reading" comes from this thread:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage&p=2394419&viewfull=1#post2394419.

The use of the phrase "poetry reading" in that post referred to a person taking a book, kindle, tablet or some other media with words on it and going through the process of reading words (poetry) out load or verbalizing the words on said media. It was suggested that perhaps a young lady reading poetry out loud might be a turn on to some. That is all that was intended. Some type of action that could be legally contracted for and paid for that would NOT infer anything illegal was going on.

But using "poetry reading" as a euphemism or "code words" for oral sex and talking about money is clearly an illegal act.

To paraphrase that post:

The bottom line is that paying for a rubdown, dancing, stripping, poetry reading or some other service is NOT illegal. You can pay a girl to read Emily Dickinson to you if you want, if that heats you up. If you want to talk to all of your potential dates about illegal things that include "sex acts for money," then hey, one would have said what LE needs to be said in order to make an arrest, But if you have an agreement with your date to read poetry to you and have your copy of Emily Dickinson with you then fine; what happens after that was NOT implied or contracted for and thus might be hard to prove was paid for.

But hey, if one uses "poetry reading" as a euphemism for some form of sex, then they have blurred the lines and left them self open to being charged with illegal activities.

[Cephlapod Love]

I expect too much:

* I expect a girl to respond to a text message sooner than 12-minutes, AFTER we have already started texting back & forth.

* I expect a girl to NOT blow up and get all huffy while we are texting.

* I expect she isn't going to flat out lie to me: "I paid for automatic reposting" when posting on CL Causal Encounters.

* I expect a girl ought to have a modicum of "customer service" skills while texting as a prelude to "customer service" when reading T. S. Elliot.

(302) 400-5049.

[Cephlapod Love]

So no one likes getting ripped off, cheated or scammed. It s*cks and especially if one has a week's load on and is hanging a set of blue b*lls. You think you are about to get the relief you need and BAM it happens.

Yeah, been there done that so have sympathy for others that have that experience.

But take it as a badge of honor, a step in the learning process of dating, tuition paid to the school of mongering! If one has NEVER been ripped off, cheated, scammed or whatever they don't have much experience in the game. It happens to all of us.

But when it happens, accept it as part of the "education" that goes into this skill. Oh yeah, many think it is just getting laid and there is no skill or learning needed. Sigh. But to be a little snowflake and b*tch all over the place about one's bad experience just has me shaking my head. Most of the time that I had a bad experience, I was able to look back and see a place where I went wrong, missed a clue or messed up following "the rules". But hey, I only got there when I swallowed my pride and took an honest look at myself and how I played the game. Yeah, I had to admit I made a mistake, try to find it and then remember that mistake so that I could learn and grow from it. Keeping the pain of the mistake up front motivated me to not make it again.

I have dealt with many of the girls that have been complained about and have either had no experience (took a pass) or had no troubles. Oh sure I can see where the troubles could exist, but haven't had any problems. No, I'm not some super monger, have no Vulcan mind tricks, have no special Jedi Force in my favor, just a dude who has experienced a lot of situations and learned from them. I guess for me I have become some what of a nice-guy "hard azz"? Was talking about the industry with a girl the other day and she volunteered that she would never try XYZ with me as she could tell that I wouldn't put up with it. She said I seemed very "street!" That really set me back! Me? F'in "street?" No f'in way! I grew up so white bread that tofu eating, whole-wheat vegans cross over to the other side of the street when they see me walking down the sidewalk. But I don't purse a date when trouble starts to appear. No, I don't try to "turn things" to my favor or manipulate her or bend her to my will or any of that ego satisfying stuff. I just walk away.

But the "street" comment did shake me to where I looked back at things. How did I get here and "where" am I? I guess I'll say this. I never monger with a HUGE set of blue b*lls, or at least always make certain that the BIG head is in charge before the little head gets its satisfaction. I have surfed all over CL, BP, Eros and other sites for girls. I guess I have gotten to the place where I know what I want, what my limits are, what I will put up with, what I won't do and how I want to play the game. Can't tell you how many dates I turn away, walk away from or just stop pursuing when I see rules being broken, girls unwilling to cooperate or giving attitude up front. If one isn't willing to or able to dump a girl at the first sign of trouble, then one is in trouble from the get go.

Shoot the other day I scooped a girl off Upper LA, made the appropriate actions for safety and then got into a discussion of the Poetry I wanted her to read. Right away she expressed a dislike for Shakespeare so I pulled the car over, stopped and offered for her to exit. Suddenly, The Baird was her favorite poet. But without a firm willingness to end our budding relationship she would not have adjusted. Also, if I had been half-hearted in my stance, she would have sensed it and then she would not back down AND would have taken a free UPPER-hand in the relationship. Also, if she had balked again at any of the other particulars, then I would have dropped her off! I guess I grew a backbone at some point in this game, as being firm like that doesn't bother me anymore.

Then again, perhaps I've just become an azzhole? I guess for me "playing games" with a girl just insures some "games" come back to me and who needs that?

As far as giving a girl money up front for promised reductions on future dates? PULEEEEEZ! Just know that any money you give a girl, especially that which goes to a girl that is medicated is lost funds. Forget about "fairness" or what is right, etc. These girls live in world that is not of their control. Heroine is a terrible foe that grips a soul and doesn't let go, even in spite of an occasional "detox. " But then again, I get it. Been there and done that too! I think there is something in Males DNA that naturally makes them inclined to be a "white knight. " Perhaps culturally or some way we are socialized, we like to be the "hero" - ride in on a White Horse and save the day? I know early on I was that way. But in the long run, doing that is the wrong move and the "reward" you want to get for the "hero move" isn't there and isn't coming. So if you front money, do it out of kindness and sympathy, not because you think it will provide future benefits.

I use to b / c with a monger who got ripped off by a SWer he had developed into a regular date. First time it happened I told him to move on to Plan B. He didn't. She made a bunch of promises and he went back. Over a period of time the dude got ripped off by this girl 6-times and kept going back! Yeah, I know. Pretty extreme. But if you had something really good going with a girl, just how many times would you let her stiff you? I know, it is a pain to find one great enough to be a regular (one who really rocks your world each & every time), so one can be willing to ignore an occasional "bad behavior. ".

But the point is, no matter how good your intentions, how nice of a guy you are, how well you treat a girl, you let her take advantage of you once and you now have "sucker" tattooed to your forehead as far as she is concerned.

I NEVER have a girl blowing up my phone asking for money: 1) I use GV so it is isolated and never bothersome as I only deal with it when I wish and 2) I don't play those games- I just tell them NO! No wishy-washy "maybe," just a firm & polite NO! After a couple of tries, they quit trying and they go blow up one of you guys' phones! Saying NO! Has never hurt me from getting a date with them. Ever. So I don't let them victimize me or tell them if they do they are done (and mean it!

So from this chair, me thinks it is all about how one plays the game. It can be done, it does take some time & learning, but if a dolt like me can get there, you can too!

Good Luck Mongering!

[Cephlapod Love]

I see reports of girls, or pictures or videos that demonstrate that a girl engages in BBFS and mongers jump in and are shocked or thinking that a girl has really "fallen" if she does.

That leaves me shaking my head.

From my experience, I just assume that any girl who is addicted to anything is offering BBFS. When one is Jonesing and NEEDS their meds, then a girl will do anything to get those meds, which usually means BBFS if requested. Problem with that, IMHO, is that at the point she is Jonesing, she has no control over who she has bareback sex with- she has to take whatever offer that comes along. (MSM, AAs, etc) So from this chair, that adds a huge risk to the equation (my personal evaluation of "risk. ").

Second, when I am evaluating who to play with and especially who to avoid, I always ask a girl if BBFS is available. Now this is tricky, as it highly depends on the way one asks. Use a judgemental tone or an accusatory style or anything that indicates a preference (hard to not do) and the girl will answer, "NO!" Have had that response ever from girls I know another dude has done BBFS with. So the point is that, when I have asked in the right way, about 75% of girls will agree to BBFS!

So the point is that in my experience, most girls will play bare without a condom under the "right" conditions. To assume anything less is in my view naive. Don't be shocked when a report, picture or video comes out that shows or states that a girl engages BBFS. Unless one asks, the right way, it is a pretty safe bet she is doing BBFS with others. Again, if a girl is an addict, all bets are off- just assume she does do BBFS with others.

Now that said, playing with a condom EVERY time is a sure way to drop one's risk of 'catching something' and thus a safer way to play with any girl that does do BBFS with others.

there are threads on this website that discuss safe sex practices, etc. lots of information has been posted there over the years. Good place to go to start to understand and evaluate "risk." Discussion of BBFS practices are only permitted in those threads, so use them.

[Spooke302]

Agreed Ceph, I always roll with my Samuel Coleridge Book!


The origin of the phrase "poetry reading" comes from this thread:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage&p=2394419&viewfull=1#post2394419.

The use of the phrase "poetry reading" in that post referred to a person taking a book, kindle, tablet or some other media with words on it and going through the process of reading words (poetry) out load or verbalizing the words on said media. It was suggested that perhaps a young lady reading poetry out loud might be a turn on to some. That is all that was intended. Some type of action that could be legally contracted for and paid for that would NOT infer anything illegal was going on.

But using "poetry reading" as a euphemism or "code words" for oral sex and talking about money is clearly an illegal act.

To paraphrase that post:

The bottom line is that paying for a rubdown, dancing, stripping, poetry reading or some other service is NOT illegal. You can pay a girl to read Emily Dickinson to you if you want, if that heats you up. If you want to talk to all of your potential dates about illegal things that include "sex acts for money," then hey, one would have said what LE needs to be said in order to make an arrest, But if you have an agreement with your date to read poetry to you and have your copy of Emily Dickinson with you then fine; what happens after that was NOT implied or contracted for and thus might be hard to prove was paid for.

But hey, if one uses "poetry reading" as a euphemism for some form of sex, then they have blurred the lines and left them self open to being charged with illegal activities.

[Cephlapod Love]

LOL! Just took a Dale Carnegie Course, so working on my skills to win friends and influence people! (That's a joke Son!)

Hey guys, have been out at various times and various places and always seem to see something out there. Window shopping in DE isn't straight forward and perhaps I have been at this WAY too long? But with 5 stroll areas to cover there is usually something out on one of them during normal waking hours. Yeah, it varies from time to time. Years ago (many) Rte 9 was a hot spot and mostly the "go to" spot. The the hilltop became happening and MDA grew up, then ULA and at one point The Box was the mentioned hotspot. GPB still is good if that kind of thing & danger are your cup of tea. SO.....the point is that if one is going out at the same time each trip and traveling the same stroll, then as luck might have it, you could be fishing the wrong hole or the wrong time for that hole? Perhaps it would help to mix it up a bit?

Right now I'd say MDA is a bit light but doable, yet even the girls lament their friends who are in Baylor, a result of the Sept "clean up. " Recently I have scooped Keisha from The Box and reports are that the "ghost" (Lauren) is still around. 4th Street is 4th and usually something to be seen, but not always something anyone wants to hire to wash yer windows. But of recent LA has been most active during my travels. I have seen Amy on about 6 occasions, usually at night and usually after dropping off a regular girl. Amy, IMHO, is a disaster and to be avoided. So all youse should rush out and scoop her, pay her GPS prices and deal with her volatile attitude. But she is there. Also out there is Stacy and Diana, usually after 8 PM.

Oh and then there is Michelle in her black & red checkerboard. I have scooped her three times in a week. The latest scoop at 11:15 AM today. Have also seen & avoided Ashley (the one with BF following at times) and Vicky / Victoria who is the reincarnation of "Brook the Crook. " Sheet! How are so many girls out & around if NOTHING is out? LOL!

Oh and the creme de la creme was today I found (again) Ashley (with the blue eyes) on before mentioned "dead zone" MDA at around 11:30 PM. WTF? I thought the streets were clean? On top of that she mentioned about a half-dozen girls she knew who were still walking that stroll and an equal amount who were on vacation or OD'ed.

So all of that said, I get it. When I first started, I drove the same strolls that others on these threads were posting their scoop / success stories and I never saw a single thing. I was baffled as to what these guys were seeing and what was "the look. " But with time and LOTS of window shopping I started to learn.

Yeah, it looks easy in the movies, but safe mongering in DE is another story. Also as of recent the game has shifted a bit, it is more subtle. If a girl stands in one place too long she is vulnerable to getting ticketed for loitering or just having a solicitation charge tossed on, because they feel like it. So most are walking. For me it is the way they walk, what they look like, how they are dressed and few other non-verbal clues that I guess have become second nature.

I drive looking a couple hundred yards ahead and quickly can tell if the figure is M or F and then if the F is a likely candidate.

If I see a girl waving at cars, too well dressed or standing out from "the norm" I look around for her Uncles. But hard to describe what are the exact clues, but I do know it took a while to get or internalize them. Now they are second nature.

So if one isn't "seeing" anything out, and one is new, BE PATIENT. This is a skill, just like any other skill that just takes some time to learn and then master. Problem is that rushing into things can be dangerous for a few reasons. So take some time to read some of the history here, find the maps of the locations of the strolls and don't be afraid to ask "how to" questions.

Shoot, way back when, I learned a heck of a lot from the old timers here. I even remember how green I was when I posted about "observing" a girl on a pay phone at the Gulf Gas Station at 9 & Memorial and asking what were the chances that was a SWer! lol Like I said, takes a bit of time to learn to "see. " LOL!

All fwiw! Stay safe, monger on, and never stop learning!

[Cephlapod Love]

OK so THREE reports from girls on their personal experiences with the September Sweep. The reason these girls got arrested was STUPID MONGERS! I guess most guys out there do not read this website and have no idea of the 22 Rules for Street Mongering. Also guess most have been too lazy to watch 20-min of Video from the Busted: A Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters. So....these guys F'd the whole thing up for the rest of us and especially for the girls!

Look, in 3 out of 3 cases LE rolled up on a car with a girl and a dude in the car. She was suspected of being a 'working girl.' Now the Police had ZERO direct evidence that anything illegal was going on: they did not personally hear a conversation, did not see any exchange of money, etc. Just some dude picking up a girl and offering her a ride. But they did do what police do: try to get the parties to admit to or confess to a crime. In all three cases the girls just said that they were getting a ride from the guy and did not admit to doing anything wrong. If one is following the rules, they should have made a few turns and be out of the area where the girls was scooped before discussing any legal services the girl might provide, like window washing, back rub or dancing. So to get pulled over on the stroll, having had discussions about illegal things while still in the area, is just plain stupid.

Second, what happened in all three cases was that LE told the guys they could not "help them out" if they did cooperate! WTF! Again, if one is not educated on how to deal respectfully with LE, they are going to fall for this kind of cr at ap! The police are not there to "help you out" they are there to get you to confess to a crime so that no attorney can get you off. So in these three cases the stupid dude admitted to committing a crime in Delaware, said that he had offered the girl money for sex acts! Dumb, just plain dumb! Why would one ever commit a crime and then give up their 5th Amendment Rights (right to not self incriminate)? So because the dumb dudes admitted to a crime, they got a ticket and the girl got locked up! Now just how was it that LE "help out" the dude??

All of this is unnecessary IF 1) One follows the Rules, 2) One learns how to act during LE encounters and 3) One doesn't do anything illegal in the first place.

Oh and how do I know about all of this? Gee, girls I gave a ride to and who I hired to washed my windows, once I had left the area, they told me first hand all about it.

SMH. I guess there will always be stupid mongers out there, but there is no need for it if one is willing to recognize that there are ways to operate appropriately and legally. AND are willing to take the time to "learn. "

[Cephlapod Love]

Not sure what is going on out there? Rich & dumb mongers? Girls with GPS? BP girls forced to wander into the streets?

Have been running into girls who start outrageously HIGH in prices for washing windows and other legal services. Look, I don't care if a girl was a BP girl, or was on the highest priced window-washing websites- if she is scooped off of the streets; One pays street rates! If she a SW on BP, one pays BP rates! It depends on where you find the girl as to the pricing structure. Girls know this, just seems like guys don't or are too afraid. When I started, it took teh advice of some experienced mongers here to set me straight.

Look, street prices start at around 20 - 30 for one window and go 30-40 for several windows. If you want something special like polishing your bumper or the license plate that hangs from it, that is gunna be extra.

But what is it? Seems like dudes either don't know the price schedule, don't care or are willing to pay too much? How you handle negotiations will show the girl your level of experience and / or vulnerability. Be wishy-washy, hesitant, unsure or waiver and one is vulnerable to all kinds of scams & games! (give me the money, I need to pop in this store & buy ____ & cigs, and I'll be right back!) among other things .

I will say this. NOTHING is available for $5, $10 or $15. You start there and you have insulted the girl and she will probably turn you down. Anyone taking that level of payment is Jonesing and not what you probably want to deal with. There are other dangers inherent with that too.

So I bet a few are thinking I am full of it? It depends on the size of b@lls one is hanging, if they are thinking with the BIG head and a willingness to dump off a girl. (Technique).

Let me give a recent example: Offered a ride to a girl, one that has been recently mentioned. Asked her if she would be willing to wash my windows (all of them). She wanted 80 $! OMFG that is BP prices! I told her. "No! Street prices are 30-40. " Stating that, usually, in my experience, focuses the conversation and gets things rational. (NOT stating that, labels one as a "mark" "sucker" or inexperienced - all labels are ones a girl is more likely to take advantage of or at least try) In this case, She argued a bit, so I pulled the car over and offered her a chance to step back into the weather. She quickly changed her mind and agreed to street prices. But the key is one has to be polite and have conviction. Thinking with the little head at that point and one is going to over pay and get "marked!

So the bottom line is know the prices for the street when playing there and don't be willing to overpay.

How are prices set on the street? The price of drugs! No idea what crack or pills cost, but have been told a baggie of dope runs $5 and a bundle (13 baggies) runs $25 to $35. So depending on the girls "needs," that will drive the prices. Of course there are those trying to get food, pay rent, buy clothes, etc.

Look, if a girl does a nice job on my windows and they are streak free, I often give her a tip or offer to stop in a store and buy cigs, food, drink, etc. But the point is that I never offer to pay more than street prices when she is standing at the local labor pool. Everyone likes being recognized for doing a good job. Just don't start with the tip included in the original price or it isn't recognized as such.

Oh and you will always hear about the one dude that paid her $350, took her to dinner and all he wanted to do was talk for an hour. These are either fantasies, pure prunes or one-offs situations. Don't let these sway you. No honor in over paying!

I'm just sayin'.

[Member #5957]

This is why I am just way too paranoid to even attempt a SW. I get nervous enough doing BP even when there is a review on here or another site. I always envision the FBI busting through the door or something!

You really make some very good points in all pf your posts. Especially in reference to saying "no".

I need to get better at that.

Thanks!


OK so THREE reports from girls on their personal experiences with the September Sweep. The reason these girls got arrested was STUPID MONGERS! I guess most guys out there do not read this website and have no idea of the 22 Rules for Street Mongering. Also guess most have been too lazy to watch 20-min of Video from the Busted: A Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters. So....these guys F'd the whole thing up for the rest of us and especially for the girls!

Look, in 3 out of 3 cases LE rolled up on a car with a girl and a dude in the car. She was suspected of being a 'working girl.' Now the Police had ZERO direct evidence that anything illegal was going on: they did not personally hear a conversation, did not see any exchange of money, etc. Just some dude picking up a girl and offering her a ride. But they did do what police do: try to get the parties to admit to or confess to a crime. In all three cases the girls just said that they were getting a ride from the guy and did not admit to doing anything wrong. If one is following the rules, they should have made a few turns and be out of the area where the girls was scooped before discussing any legal services the girl might provide, like window washing, back rub or dancing. So to get pulled over on the stroll, having had discussions about illegal things while still in the area, is just plain stupid.

Second, what happened in all three cases was that LE told the guys they could not "help them out" if they did cooperate! WTF! Again, if one is not educated on how to deal respectfully with LE, they are going to fall for this kind of cr at ap! So in these three cases the stupid dude admitted to committing a crime in Delaware, said that he had offered the girl money for sex acts! Dumb, just plain dumb! Why would one ever commit a crime and then give up their 5th Amendment Rights (right to not self incriminate)? So because the dumb dudes admitted to a crime, they got a ticket and the girl got locked up! Now just how was it that LE "help out" the dude??

All of this is unnecessary IF 1) One follows the Rules, 2) One learns how to act during LE encounters and 3) One doesn't do anything illegal in the first place.

Oh and how do I know about all of this? Gee, girls I gave a ride to and who I hired to washed my windows, once I had left the area, they told me first hand all about it.

SMH. I guess there will always be stupid mongers out there, but there is no need for it if one is willing to recognize that there are ways to operate appropriately and legally. AND are willing to take the time to "learn. "

[Cephlapod Love]

This is why I am just way too paranoid to even attempt a SW. I get nervous enough doing BP even when there is a review on here or another site. I always envision the FBI busting through the door or something!


Point is that IF one is offering a girl a ride, then stopped by LE or not, one is not doing anything illegal and other than some inconvenience no worries.

When I started out in the hobby, I was equally or more so concerned or paranoid. But to overcome that I got an "education. " Read extensively here and asked others technique questions, etc. One can learn here, from the experience of others or through the "school of hard knocks!" Look, seeing just "reviewed girls" is no assurance of safety. If one does not learn how to play the game then IMHO one is placing them self at risk. One needs to develop some "Spidey Senses" and that doesn't come from reviewed girls only, it comes from education & experiences.

Minimum for SWers. Read until one has MEMORIZED the 22 Rules. Similar for BP / internet dating. Read those 25 rules & memorize. AND Memorize the Video. Busted: A citizen's guide.

Second, one needs to understand that should one offer compensation for sex acts that that is a misdemeanor crime. Too low level for the feds to get involved. However, traffic girls, pimp or do anything statutory related and then all bets are off. But hey, scoop a girl on MDA and before you pull off, start talking about sex acts for money and IF yer uncle swoops in, all bets are off.

I don't think it is relevant that one is seeing only reviewed girls, BP ones or SWers, LE can swoop in at any time and arrest you. Often they do it as a deterrent and let the lawyers sort it out. So when that happens if one is not "educated" they are going to fall for the "let me help you out" stuff and incriminate them self.

So I'd encourage getting as much education as possible. One usually gets lessons to take up golf, why not an education for this skill or hobby? Not hard to do, just takes some time.

Good luck!

[Cephlapod Love]

LOL! She wants a Daddy? Got to love these girls with GPS and a HUGE attitude! Asked normal questions of this girl the other day and she immediately BLEW UP on me!

Wants 300 for a "no limits" date, which means she is f*cking guys bareback! Also has an demeanor of "take it or leave it. " No discussion of anything, just quickly to "attitude. ".

So one has to wonder about her ultimate service and friendliness when one meets. Get upset quickly over some benign email questions?

So go rush and see her as NOW apparently she is reviewed here. Hope it works out for ya! LOL!

Douchbaggery at its best.

[Member #5957]

Haha I can't even imagine the in person encounter.

How quickly do you think the 300 would turn into.

600?

And who bites on this stuff and actually goes to see them?


LOL! She wants a Daddy? Got to love these girls with GPS and a HUGE attitude! Asked normal questions of this girl the other day and she immediately BLEW UP on me!

Wants 300 for a "no limits" date, which means she is f*cking guys bareback! Also has an demeanor of "take it or leave it. " No discussion of anything, just quickly to "attitude. ".

So one has to wonder about her ultimate service and friendliness when one meets. Get upset quickly over some benign email questions?

So go rush and see her as NOW apparently she is reviewed here. Hope it works out for ya! LOL!

Douchbaggery at its best.

[Cephlapod Love]

So there was an incident where a date happened and something went wrong or something off the rails. Hey, it happens. In fact, if one really mongers long enough, it happens to all of us. But every time it happened to me, when I calmed down, manned up and took a serious look at my actions, I was able to find places where I lead to my own demise. There are "rules" out there. ( 22 Rules for Street Mongering / Rules for BackPage Mongering ) Rules that are advice from others who have F'ed up and learned from it. So one can get jealous that someone else gives advice or one can learn from that advice. (The alternative is to make all of the mistakes on one's own.).

Anyway, there was an "incident" that happened and the dude blew up all over these boards sounding the alarm. OK, where there is smoke there is usually fire and when a dude has a bad experience, mongers are wise to take heed. I usually just avoid anyone who has a bad report or is the subject of an "incident. " But in this case, I happened to be seeing the girl who was the subject of this "incident. " So normally, I am a "bros before hoes" guy, but in this case the level of the charge was so outrageous I was shocked. It just did not fit with my experience of the girl. Anyway. Was always raised that there are two sides to any story, so I went and sought out the info so I could make a fair evaluation.

First, I contacted the poster (privately) who claimed he had been ripped off and gave him a chance to tell his side of the story. I got an indignant reply and part of the story. In trading emails, not only did his story change, but what he eventually posted on these boards was materially different than what was reported to me. Hmmmmm. A changing story. So rather than admit he was wrong, had F'ed up and tried to learn from his mistakes, he had a tantrum all over these boards. Oh and alienated a few dudes who had been helpful to him in the past. Pure Douchbaggery!

Second, I also talked to the girl. AFTER we had a very nice date. (I never had any problems with the girl, of course I some of what I have learned help me operate in a way that would not allow problems.) I asked her enough questions that I am sure she thought I was affiliated with LE. You know a long series of questions about the incident and then coming back to key questions several times as to see if the "story" of what happened would change. What I noted was that her story NEVER CHANGED.

Third, I spoke with and PMed a few other trusted mongers that I knew had dated this girl or who were in the process of dating her regularly. What I found interesting was that they too had talked to the girl about the incident. I asked the mongers what was the "story" she told them and I was astonished to hear that they got the EXACT same story that she told me. Now get this, she told the exact same story to me and to two other mongers of what happened in this "incident!" A consistent report of the incident to three guys. Hmmmm.

So, I'm no Solomon, but weighing what I found: a dude who had a tantrum here and his story changed when relating it to me and changed even more when reporting it on the threads and a girl who reported a totally different story, but was consistent in her reporting of what happened! So who does one believe? Why?

Me, I get it! When one F*cks up, it is hard to admit it to ones self and very easy to just trash the other person on social media (this site being the only SM for mongering around). I guess it makes us feel good to trash and "hurt" a girl when something goes wrong. The problem is making our self "feel good" is a band-aid. It does nothing to cure the "problems" that allowed the incident to occur in the first place. So one feels good but never learns, never corrects their mistakes. I can guarantee that the mistakes will repeat and more grief will happen. (been there, done that!) So hey, life is just choices. One can choose to "get an education" and become a good monger or one can admit their mistakes, learn grow and avoid future drama.

Look, this stuff isn't hard stuff. It is just "hard" for some to learn to adapt or adjust their approach! I get that- I took me quite a few "incidents" before I looked in the mirror and admitted that the things I had done contributed to the "incident. " Looking back now, I can hardly believe how stupid I was! (In one "incident," I gave a girl some money to pay for a room, while I hid around the corner, out of sight. Yep, of course she saw the "sucker" label on my forehead & bounced! LOL!

We are often dealing with girls who are "street wise". They meet dudes all day, every day and if they want to stay alive the girls have to be able to quickly read a dude. So they have some "training!" What do we have to counter that? Oh wait! I know! This is mongering, no education needed, just watch a movie or TV & one will learn everything!

So hey, not saying that one should not report bad incidents. But am saying that it makes a more credible report when one points out the mistake they made (in effect publicly acknowledging the error) and stating what they could have done differently to avoid the incident. But to embellish the facts of incident or change it from one thing to another is just douchebaggery. Oh and even if one is repentant, if the issue gets brought up again, then one's true repentance can be judged by how one responds: sticks with the embellished story or correct the facts and and admit the error?

I'm just saying!

[Cephlapod Love]

Hey, I have been ripped off, scammed and had bad dates more than a few times. But from those experiences and from the experiences & help of others, I learned some techniques of dating to avoid bad situations.

Years ago there was a mature gal on MDA, K. She knew everyone, was friendly, kind and a good date. In fact, I called her "The Mayoress" of MDA. From time to time I would stop and just chat with K to learn "the news" of what was happening on the streets (always tossed K a few bucks for her time). Since K knew I wasn't dating her exclusively (I never hid that from K) she was open with me. K gave me a list of girls to avoid, girls I placed on a "no fly" list of sorts. When K wander on in life, C became the new Mayoress. C also was open to sharing a "no fly list" with me. (C has also moved on in life).

The point being that I had a list of girls who were either known to rip guys off or who had health issues. So I always mongered with at least $5 in a pocket in case I scooped a "no fly girl;" I could eject her with a parting favor. Luckily I only had to exercise that 'parting favor' trick a few times. But I have no doubt that saved me some serious grief.

But I will say this, I HAVE dated a few of the notorious "no fly girls" - girls who have a reputation for stealing from mongers. How did this happen? Me? I guess I F'ed up! I review the 'no fly list' before setting out each time so it is fresh in my mind. But in these cases, the girl used a different name! WTF! It wasn't until after the dates that a dude told me who that girl really was and in one case the girl told me herself her street name (the name on the no fly list).

So do I have an incident to report from these dates? Was I a victim? Actually, nope! In looking back, I am amazed that I avoided trouble with these girls. Was I lucky each time? Maybe? Perhaps some of the "technique" used helped me avoid an "incident?" But now that I have dated the girls, I know what they look like and can avoid them.

So I see quite a few low post count guys around these parts (Welcome!) but also see a lot of danger and mistakes that I have avoided by using "technique"!

Good mongering only looks easy.

Stay Safe!

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Oh and The Box is not dead! LOL! Had one of my best dates from The Box recently. Maps are posted - Go to the Forum> Special Interests> Amateurs >SW Stroll Maps>post #41. No digits, so no sharing. Oh and WTF? There is more than ONE stroll in Wilmington!

[Cephlapod Love]

It was most certainly a sting. I obviously made a mistake or two, and did not follow the 21 rule protocol, but there were no cop cars and the only SUVs in the parking lot were a range rover and a jeep Cherokee. I even drove the green turtle parking lot, the border caf parking lot and the wild wings parking lot looking for police type vehicles. None.Glad this dude was able to make mistakes and walk away unscathed! Usually the streets are not so forgiving. Perhaps LE is reading here and getting smarter and not leaving bread crumbs behind? (obvious UCLE cars nearby). News Journal left out lots of details that are usually printed (Hmmmm)

Had to comment:

1. There are 22 Rules to Street Mongering. Read all THREE sections!

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules

2. There are 24 "rules" for BP dating or dates off the internet.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage

3. Doing recon isn't necessarily looking for cop cars. Sure there may be a few marked cars around the corner, but I am looking for unmarked cars with dudes sitting in them. Also looking for buses, vans, meat packing trucks where a large number of arestees might be processed or transported.

4. Dating at a hotel / motel is always a particular risk as that is where stings happen. (economy of scale) If a girl is legit and not a b*tch, they will usually meet you at a nearby business (in public). The point of that is that LE is not likely to meet you and then have to walk back to the room or get in your car to get there. THEN your job is to ask enough of the right questions to determine if she is setting you up or not.

5. If one has never mentioned sex for money and even walks into a sting, then there is little to worry about. Save self incrimination when the cop offers to "help you out" or "it will go easier for you" if you talk to them. Watch and memorize the first 20 minutes of:

https://youtu.be/yqMjMPlXzdA

But the bottom line. And I keep pounding the table on it. Is get an education before setting out. Think with the BIG head before you let junior out!

[J Richard]

Glad this dude was able to make mistakes and walk away unscathed! Usually the streets are not so forgiving. Perhaps LE is reading here and getting smarter and not leaving bread crumbs behind? (obvious UCLE cars nearby). News Journal left out lots of details that are usually printed (Hmmmm)

Had to comment:

1. There are 22 Rules to Street Mongering. Read all THREE sections!

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules

2. There are 24 "rules" for BP dating or dates off the internet.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage

3. Doing recon isn't necessarily looking for cop cars. Sure there may be a few marked cars around the corner, but I am looking for unmarked cars with dudes sitting in them. Also looking for buses, vans, meat packing trucks where a large number of arestees might be processed or transported.

4. Dating at a hotel / motel is always a particular risk as that is where stings happen. (economy of scale) If a girl is legit and not a b*tch, they will usually meet you at a nearby business (in public). The point of that is that LE is not likely to meet you and then have to walk back to the room or get in your car to get there. THEN your job is to ask enough of the right questions to determine if she is setting you up or not.

5. If one has never mentioned sex for money and even walks into a sting, then there is little to worry about. Save self incrimination when the cop offers to "help you out" or "it will go easier for you" if you talk to them. Watch and memorize the first 20 minutes of:

https://youtu.be/yqMjMPlXzdA

But the bottom line. And I keep pounding the table on it. Is get an education before setting out. Think with the BIG head before you let junior out!Many years ago in the 80's I got nailed twice. Once in Wilmington and once in Philly. Both by street decoys. In Wilmington I was just stopped at a light and a girl asked if I was looking for a date. I responded that I really don't have any money, only $14.00 and some change. Well a hand with a badge is slammed on the windshield by one UC and a gun to my head by the female. That is all that was said. Well a short ride to a parking lot where a polaroid was taken, ticket issued and released. At this point you just want it to go away and not draw much attention. I was not looking for anyone, I was picking up my girlfriend who work at the then Raddison Hotel.

In Philly I stopped for a girl, she pointed me into a parking lot. I pull in and behind a tractor trailer is a greeting party. They however issued three different traffic tickets to make an impression not to come back. But they still required an appearance in court. That came with the cost of a days work and 5 1/2 hours sitting there, again to make an impression not to comeback. I have avoid SW's there since.

Lessons learned and extremely cautious now. I have let my guard down now with the Asians they way they are responding to appointment inquires. One cannot determine who is on the opposite end of the message and some are two explicit. I need to rethink and formulate a new game plan. Because getting caught now would be so detrimental to me.

[Cephlapod Love]

Many years ago in the 80's I got nailed twice. Once in Wilmington and once in Philly. Both by street decoys. In Wilmington I was just stopped at a light and a girl asked if I was looking for a date. I responded that I really don't have any money, only $14.00 and some change. Well a hand with a badge is slammed on the windshield by one UC and a gun to my head by the female. That is all that was said. Well a short ride to a parking lot where a polaroid was taken, ticket issued and released. At this point you just want it to go away and not draw much attention. I was not looking for anyone, I was picking up my girlfriend who work at the then Raddison Hotel.

In Philly I stopped for a girl, she pointed me into a parking lot. I pull in and behind a tractor trailer is a greeting party. They however issued three different traffic tickets to make an impression not to come back. But they still required an appearance in court. That came with the cost of a days work and 5 1/2 hours sitting there, again to make an impression not to comeback. I have avoid SW's there since.

Lessons learned and extremely cautious now. I have let my guard down now with the Asians they way they are responding to appointment inquires. One cannot determine who is on the opposite end of the message and some are two explicit. I need to rethink and formulate a new game plan. Because getting caught now would be so detrimental to me.Just curious about what you did about all of those tickets? Did you pay the Wilmington one? Sounds like you sat in Court in Philly? What was THAT outcome?

As far as rethinking and reformulating a new game plan, I am sure experienced guys here would be glad to discuss that with you!

[Cephlapod Love]

So I see another monger has reported on hitting most of the 5 Wilmington Strolls and reporting back. Nice to see someone who has learned what the area has to offer and learned from the info on these forums.

Some items to be aware of while shopping the strolls and CL:

1) MDA. A girl calls herself Ashley (This is the slim blue-eyed blonde, not the infamous Hispanic chick that often runs around with her white BF following and who is always preggers and just recently popped out No. 5 - she's usually 4th or uLA, though occasionally MDA) This Ashley is a lovely little spinner girl with a sweet personality. Just beware that her BF is probably 10 paces behind her, across the street or watching you somewhere. He's a slender black dude. When she gets dropped off, she is headed directly to him to hand over any window washing fees she might have earned.

2) Oh and there is Devon, a more mature girl (late 30's? Or older? Kinky hair (tight curls all over), blonde streaks or dye job. Caution: She has GPS on her phone and someone watching her movements, so if you park near the stroll, there is possibility of a visit. She wants to be in control and will play sweet for you, and try to play that to her advantage. A very strong personality is not afraid to turn on a dime emotionally to get the upper hand. Professes how clean she is but headed straight into the shooting galley house, across from the mini park.

3) Formerly on MDA now roaming uLA is the exotic looking girl late 30's. 5'6" ish. She looks like a non-Indian Peruvian girl: a mix of white and oriental. She carries a knife and is not above using it or ripping a guy off at knife point.

4) Oh and a new "no fly list" emerged from recent travels, three girls generally on MDA, with possible "unmentionable" issues: Tasha, Kayla & Mel. So hey, now they are "reviewed" so date them at will! LOL! Especially if one has good intact, life-long health insurance!.

5) CL girl calls herself LeiLani and located in the "north" Wilmington area. Anyone in the hood that refuses to meet in public before hosting. And who is adamant about ONLY hosting. Is one that should be viewed with caution. On inquiry of doing an out call (heading to the Crown) she asked: "Can I bring my security, ? So he can ensure my safety he won't bother us. " er, gee, does that sound safe to you? If she wants to bring security to out call, does that mean he is there hiding at the incall? Smells like set-up to me. I'm just saying!

6) Another CL girl, calls herself Ashley (24), located off MDA near BK. She has a "brother" who trails the date, is around if you do incall or noting your license plate number if you pick her up for a trip to the crown. Also beware that when communicating with her through email or text, you might actually be talking to "the brother"!

Just a little info to help the cause!

[Cephlapod Love]

Well the douchebaggery continues around Wilmington. I continue to be shocked at how many low-life mongers are out there.

So I hear from a girl that she was NOT working but headed into a store in the MDA area and a guy approached her and offered her a date. Since she isn't adverse to that, she took him up on the offer. Dude takes her to a vacant property he owns in Richardson Park and engages in sex acts with her. He gives her some money. All seems well and good. But she heads to the store to pay her phone bill and guess what, the money gets turned down. It is counterfeit! Jeez.

So we know the dude's name, have a physical description and a description of the truck he drives. Too bad rules here prohibit posting that identifying information.

WTF is wrong with dudes? Just because a girl is dating does not mean she is sub-human or deserves bad treatment. Shoot using that logic, what does that make the dude who paid her? Lower than a wh*re?

[Cephlapod Love]

Yeah, I know I am an azzh*le! Guys with under 50 posts frequently text me and tell me so. After all, read a few months of the threads and pick up a handful of girls and of course one is an "expert!

I dunno, don't post much in the way of reports, but that doesn't mean I have no experience or don't know what is going on.

So thought I'd give a taste of my recent experience, all fwiw. Not bragging at all, in fact part of me says nothing to be gained by posting at all. So here goes nothing.

Source of Dates (shows that I use more than one way to find dates and often keep several lines going at once ) .

3- renewed contact after many years.

5 - street scoops from 4 different strolls: MDA, LA, 4th, The Box.

4 - CL post or replies.

2- referrals from another girl, another monger.

[Cephlapod Love]

No good deed goes unpunished. Sigh. All my photographic work however on both..

[NeedTlc]

It look like two girls to me.


No good deed goes unpunished. Sigh. All my photographic work however on both..

[Cephlapod Love]

As I was headed out of town driving down MDA, to pick up a regular girl (Oh Sh*T, I was scooping her off MDA! Say it ain't so! Anyway, as I am driving down MDA, I saw TWO girls doing the stroll. One was blue-eyed Ashley (NOT the Hispanic chick with the following BF) wearing a black hoodie. Got "the look" from her. Then saw a second girl who also gave me the look and who I locked eyes with. She seems familiar but could not place her. BOTH obvious signs: thin, gaunt, hollow look, strolling along, looking at guys driving by. But this must have been a dream or my imagination because I know MDA is dead as a door knob. So don't share this with anyone and please don't shoot me for this fantasy.

OH and BTW. The Box is "dead" too! One utr regular there, found one utr Hbbw on CL from there, another WSW there, the usual scary bSWs too AND reports have it that Lauren (the ghost) is back in that area.

Now all of that said, trafficking in DE IS REAL and a three letter agency is involved. So it looks to me like sharing numbers looks too much like "promoting" a girl and possibly drawing attention. Hobby safe!

[Cephlapod Love]

Yeah, saw a 20-something white girl, a but thick, in the box this evening. Passed her by and was making a turn to go round and scoop her and in my rear view, I see some other monger pull over and scoop her. So yeah, avoid the box. ( unless one wants to get out scooped! ) Then a bit further down was a tiny BSWer milling around. On one pass she came off the curb, shouting at me to get my attention. Such overt behavior is IMHO not good, so I waved her off. But hey perhaps some others would take the plunge?

Then I was out on uLA buying some gas and who should wander by? None other than Stacy! WTF! She was hoofing it out to a predetermined location to meet up with a dude. She said 'hi' and I wished her well. Freaking mongers. Go figure! Getting a girl's digits and making pre-plans to date? What is up with that?

Then as I made a couple of passes, saw none other than S. The knife wielding girl, not the one with the wings tat on her chest. Smiled nicely to myself that I was able to recognize her and thus avoid eye contact or scooping her. I guess some ignorant (unknowledgeable) monger will scoop her and end up playing roulette with the date.

So yeah, don't know why anyone would even bother with hitting the strolls, out there, there is no action.

And douchebag of the week is are- in an Apt in the 5&W area. Expecting $10 is gunna get him sumthin', er, rather everything? I mean I'm all for not overpaying, but seriously, $10 is just a plain insult. IF that is all I have, I pack it in & save up till I can make a real offer.

[Cephlapod Love]

Oh Sh*t! Was out one afternoon, after doing a project and headed home early and WTF, right there on uLA, there was this 5'4", 110# brown hair girl! What a cutie! Turns out she was a girl that the infamous BP girl Barbie was trying to set me up with last Summer. (Never worked out. She lost her digits and then schedules never meshed when she was over at Barbie's). So finally met her. She did a nice job washing windows and brushing the suede in my ride. Would love to see her again, but no digits! Told me specifically NOT to use her name: either street name or real name. But also said she was out EVERY day! Go figure!

So when I was dropping her off just as rush hour was starting what did I see? This boards perennial favorite uLA girl. Amy! Yep, camped out at the bus stop, like a bowling pin, was that "lovely. " Oh wait, shouldn't say that, as every time I pan a girl everyone rushes out to see her! Maybe I should say YMMV?

And then stopped at a light, who walks by my car in her checkerboard jacket? Michelle!

I know, I am delusional and gorked out on hallucinatory drugs and image all of these things! They can't be real since we all know those freaking streets are D-E-A-D!

[Cephlapod Love]

Have had a number of guys of all levels reach out to me and wonder where is "The Box". So thought I would post how one can find information on WHERE to find SWers in the "Wilmington" area. From this chair, depending on how one defines the pie, there are 5 or 6 strolls and some add-on areas. As such there is no "best" location. In fact, I have often seen girls on 3 different strolls when making the loops. As my recent post demonstrate, I have dated girls from 4 of the strolls.

Actually over the years as neighbor pressures and LE action have increased the "best" location has migrated. This means that not ONE place is going to be good and each one has its nuances. So if one is window shopping and does NOT see something on one of the strolls, it makes sense to switch over and drive another stroll. One can hit 3-4 strolls in a loop if one wants.

But hey, why would anyone bother to read the HISTORY here in the threads? I mean Jackson & Co. have retained all of those old posts, otherwise they would deleted them and save bandwidth or storage space. But the history in the SW thread is packed full of discussion of the strolls, girls, etc. (shoot only 5 years ago, one kind monger laid out his "loop" of the strolls. Thanks Afraven!) Just a quick look at the pictures from the thread (Home > Forum > States & Cities > Delaware > Wilmington > photos) shows at least 6 maps of various strolls, including a VERY detailed map of Gov Printz stroll area. What possible value could there be in history?

When I started out, I read EVERY post in the DE threads- back then the long gone "Office" was all of the rage. But also, reading the threads gave me info on scoop techniques, who was out, who to avoid, where / when to find girls and what is an appropriate fee for poetry reading. But hey, who needs that info? I guess it is a case of YMMV and style vs risk tolerance? I am a firm believe that style / education are key to lowering risk.

So IF one is new, unknowledgeable or just wants to tune current knowledge, there are MAPS which show the strolls around the country. (I guess if one can't or won't read a map, OR you IF you carry a hard-on for the dude who created the thread, then...... perhaps...... {what is the name of this thread?}) (LOL). Other than those maps in the Wilm SW threads:

Forum > Special Interests > Amateurs > SW Stroll Maps > Post #41

Imagine that! This website has all of the info one needs to learn how to become a successful monger? Sorry, we can't open you head and pour the knowledge into it. One has to do a little bit of work! But believe me a bit of work, education and experience is needed to reduce the risk of the hobby. One can take short cuts but eventually the street will find your weakness and win.

Good luck! Stay Safe!

[Cephlapod Love]

Was just reading one of the DE threads. An Known monger (KM) had posted about one of his girls, to help her out, but added a caveat that he would respond to (Share digits with) those who contribute to the boards! So some unknown monger (UM) posts that he emailed KM and never got a reply! Then KM replied that UM had not met the caveat of "contributions. " Interesting. Is this douchebaggery? Is there a douchebag here?

So I took a look a UM posts.

First posted 04-07-17 with his hand out - Just wondering if anyone has seen her lately or can vouch for her? Is she legit? .

But in nearly a year's time this poster has "contributed" only 7 posts, the above and:

#2 Just wondering if anyone has seen her?
#3 Looking to check this one out.
#4 Has anyone seen her or have any experience with her?
#5 Has anyone seen her?

#6 posted a link, to the above girl.

#7 Complained he wasn't given the keys to the Kingdom!

OK this looks a bit "interesting. " UM has been around the boards for nearly a year (10-months) and you has not one review post! Has UM not seen even ONE girl? UM has had zero hobby dates? Or is it that UM has not posted a review of even ONE of his hobby dates? HUH? For Goodness sake, just post a freaking review or two PLEASE!

Look, I get it, there maybe legitimate reasons or other thoughts going on as to why one is not participating:

1) One is "scared" to post for some reason. To that I'd say, open yer F-in mouth as to what is your fear and let's discuss it! There are techniques and things one can do if they have a snooping spouse, etc. Knowledge is the way to over come fear, so why not tap into the vast experience that is hosted here?

2) One does not know how to get started or has fear that holds them back. Fear is a good thing in the hobby as it keeps one out of trouble. However, fear that keeps one from hobbying is irrational. Shoot when I started I was probably more afraid than any of you ever were and three times as cautious. Yet, with time and the patient guidance of gents here, was able to LEARN and over come fear. So read and ask questions on techniques! I am absolutely SHOCKED as to the lack of any discussions on the DE threads about monger techniques. Lots of newbies around but I guess everyone thinks this is "easy. " From this chair, just about every time I think I know everything in the hobby, think it is easy or assume I am an expert, the hobby bites me in the azz. Oh sure, a few pick ups and one is an expert. Sigh. So yeah, ask questions on "how to" and get started mongering!

3) Afraid to look stupid or unknowledgable - We all start somewhere! We all are rookies at the beginning. Best I can tell no one slams a rookie who is truly trying to "get it" or who asks "dumb" questions! (the only "dumb" question is the one NOT asked!) Shoot when I started out, I read the boards and for a while just asked other mongers questions about their style or techniques. I could be wrong but I think guys are more willing to share insight into their "how to" rather than specific details on a particular girl. I know I got a TON of great advice and insight from asking "stupid" techniques questions. Shoot one time I even posted that I saw a girl on a pay phone at the Gulf Station at 13/ Memorial. What a dumb question. LOL (and shows how long I have been at it! WTF is a pay phone?) So go ahead and ask about style / technique!

4) One is not really interested info, but is just being a "shill" by posting girls he knows eh, I guess it could happen, but it is a really dumb approach. The "boards" here are not stupid and usually ferret out shills pretty quickly and that kills one's reputation.

5) One is an internet-baby and views the net as his personal encyclopedia, free for the asking and because he is special, everyone should just give him information anytime he wants it. Well in this Gent's case he is failing miserably and the reality is smacking him in the face. Successful, long-term hobbying takes time, knowledge, energy and community. Expect to be "given" the keys and one will be shunned. Participate, if only to ask "how to" questions and one will find others more willing to help. Look, Admin can tell you that there is a TREMENDOUS amount of lurking going on here. Then in my observations there is VERY smaller number of serious posters / mongers. But IF I have taken the risk of scooping a SW or going to see an incall girl or developed one independently, why would I share her with anyone & everyone? What do I get in return. Hey, I don't mind being a nice guy once in a while, but if it is a one-way street, why bother? (I have more girls on a List than time or resources allow!) So step up and contribute and gents will be helpful!

So the point is that one can build a bit of credibility on the threads without posting reviews, but reviews help greatly. (I know as I did it!) But the more "cred" one builds, the more likely one can get info from others. There should be no reason NOT to post unless one is one way or a douchebag. If you need help or have concerns. Just ask! After all asking helps build cred too! LOL!

So if you want to "win" on these here boards, you have got to PARTICIPATE! Just do it!

[Cephlapod Love]

Look, let me give you insight about these boards and perhaps why guys around here are the way they are. (my apologies to P.S. For using him as an example) But years ago P.S. Posted about a girl in Elkton, named Shantell. P.S. Was kind enough to share digits with me and I dated her. (thanks P.S.) But apparently back then P.S. Shared a girl's number with anyone who requested it. After a couple of dates with Shantell I asked her about how it was going from the P.S. Referrals. Now this is from her mouth and experience. She said she got about 100 texts and calls from guys as a results of P.S. Sharing the number. (doubt he gave it to 100 guys, but once a number is shared, it is out in the wild and others share it with their buddies) So out of 100 contacts about 60% or 60 of the contacts were nothing more than keyboard masterbaters. Guys who request picture after picture after picture so they can jack off to them. Of the remaining 40 about half, or 20 just wanted to chat or never actually get around to setting up a date. Of the remaining 20 who made plans to date, 15 backed out at the last minute or went ghost and never showed up. So out of getting posted here and having to deal with 100 contacts and numerous follow-ups she only got 5 real live dates out of it! That is a 95% failure rate for a shared number! Now you see why guys are reluctant to share digits with just anyone? I have always been impressed by what Shatell told me. So much so that I altered my approach with girls as to distinguish myself from the masterbaters, fakes and flakes. So only sharing a number with "contributors" is one way to hopeful reduce this failure rate?

Oh and in my experience, years ago, I saw a girl reviewed here and during that encounter was introduced to another girl. I got her number and dated her a few times. This girl wasn't "out there" and as such I "developed" her as a regular. Then trying to be a nice guy, posted her and offered up her number to Senior Members. So I got a number of inquiries and one dude had low post count but seemed to have contributed, so I shared her number. The dude went and dated her and as he left she counted the poetry reading fee and the jerk shorted her $40. WTF! Then things turned ugly and there was a scene in the parking lot, dude tried to run over the girl with his car, blah, blah, blah. So when I got the report, I PM'ed the guy to see what was up. Not only did he not have the b@lls to respond, he deleted his profile and went into hiding. Douchebag! So yeah. Why would I share the number of a girl I developed with just anyone?

But it doesn't stop there. Recently I posted pictures about a provider who is a member here, Lovelyk829. I dated Lovelyk829 many years ago and posted reviews of her along with discrete pictures. Shoot, I had guys asking for her contact info for at least a year after that! LOL! But now she is back and asked me to help her out. (still same petite, tight little body) I was glad to help her because 1) she has a profile and thus email here, so I do not have to get involved in passing out her number {something I am loath to do these days because of new found info} and 2) I know Lovelyk829 can handle her own business and does not need me in the mix. So what are the reports I get back from her about all of youse? "No one serious, just guys playing games!" Hmmm, not one date and all of the guys looking for free handouts? What is up with that? I guess most guys prefer their poetry read to them by 350-lb slobs who will do anything for $10?

So some perspective on what the experiences of others have had with sharing on these board. We can over come this if guys read this and adjust their approach!

[Afraven]

Oh Sh*t! Was out one afternoon, after doing a project and headed home early and WTF, right there on uLA, there was this 5'4", 110# brown hair girl! What a cutie! Turns out she was a girl that the infamous BP girl Barbie was trying to set me up with last Summer. (Never worked out. She lost her digits and then schedules never meshed when she was over at Barbie's). So finally met her. She did a nice job washing windows and brushing the suede in my ride. Would love to see her again, but no digits! Told me specifically NOT to use her name: either street name or real name. But also said she was out EVERY day! Go figure!

So when I was dropping her off just as rush hour was starting what did I see? This boards perennial favorite uLA girl. Amy! Yep, camped out at the bus stop, like a bowling pin, was that "lovely. " Oh wait, shouldn't say that, as every time I pan a girl everyone rushes out to see her! Maybe I should say YMMV?

And then stopped at a light, who walks by my car in her checkerboard jacket? Michelle!

I know, I am delusional and gorked out on hallucinatory drugs and image all of these things! They can't be real since we all know those freaking streets are D-E-A-D!CL, my man, I know it's been awhile hearing from me. Got in some trouble with my S / O and she has some tight reins on me right now. I'll share more of what happened via pm. Anyways, I had to run some errands yesterday and with the nice weather, decided to check the loops. I shit you not, I counted 17 out on the different strolls. Maybe, it's because I have the keen eye to spot who's working, but very rarely have I gone out and not seen anything.

[Afraven]

Have had a number of guys of all levels reach out to me and wonder where is "The Box". So thought I would post how one can find information on WHERE to find SWers in the "Wilmington" area. From this chair, depending on how one defines the pie, there are 5 or 6 strolls and some add-on areas. As such there is no "best" location. In fact, I have often seen girls on 3 different strolls when making the loops. As my recent post demonstrate, I have dated girls from 4 of the strolls.

Actually over the years as neighbor pressures and LE action have increased the "best" location has migrated. This means that not ONE place is going to be good and each one has its nuances. So if one is window shopping and does NOT see something on one of the strolls, it makes sense to switch over and drive another stroll. One can hit 3-4 strolls in a loop if one wants.

But hey, why would anyone bother to read the HISTORY here in the threads? I mean Jackson & Co. have retained all of those old posts, otherwise they would deleted them and save bandwidth or storage space. But the history in the SW thread is packed full of discussion of the strolls, girls, etc. (shoot only 5 years ago, one kind monger laid out his "loop" of the strolls. Thanks Afraven!) Just a quick look at the pictures from the thread (Home > Forum > States & Cities > Delaware > Wilmington > photos) shows at least 6 maps of various strolls, including a VERY detailed map of Gov Printz stroll area. What possible value could there be in history?

When I started out, I read EVERY post in the DE threads- back then the long gone "Office" was all of the rage. But also, reading the threads gave me info on scoop techniques, who was out, who to avoid, where / when to find girls and what is an appropriate fee for poetry reading. But hey, who needs that info? I guess it is a case of YMMV and style vs risk tolerance? I am a firm believe that style / education are key to lowering risk.

So IF one is new, unknowledgeable or just wants to tune current knowledge, there are MAPS which show the strolls around the country. (I guess if one can't or won't read a map, OR you IF you carry a hard-on for the dude who created the thread, then...... perhaps...... {what is the name of this thread?}) (LOL). Other than those maps in the Wilm SW threads:

Forum > Special Interests > Amateurs > SW Stroll Maps > Post #41

Imagine that! This website has all of the info one needs to learn how to become a successful monger? Sorry, we can't open you head and pour the knowledge into it. One has to do a little bit of work! But believe me a bit of work, education and experience is needed to reduce the risk of the hobby. One can take short cuts but eventually the street will find your weakness and win.

Good luck! Stay Safe!Wow, it's been 5 yrs since I posted that. Yup, I gave a street by street turn of the loops that I hit, when out and about.

[Afraven]

Look, let me give you insight about these boards and perhaps why guys around here are the way they are. (my apologies to P.S. For using him as an example) But years ago P.S. Posted about a girl in Elkton, named Shantell. P.S. Was kind enough to share digits with me and I dated her. (thanks P.S.) But apparently back then P.S. Shared a girl's number with anyone who requested it. After a couple of dates with Shantell I asked her about how it was going from the P.S. Referrals. Now this is from her mouth and experience. She said she got about 100 texts and calls from guys as a results of P.S. Sharing the number. (doubt he gave it to 100 guys, but once a number is shared, it is out in the wild and others share it with their buddies) So out of 100 contacts about 60% or 60 of the contacts were nothing more than keyboard masterbaters. Guys who request picture after picture after picture so they can jack off to them. Of the remaining 40 about half, or 20 just wanted to chat or never actually get around to setting up a date. Of the remaining 20 who made plans to date, 15 backed out at the last minute or went ghost and never showed up. So out of getting posted here and having to deal with 100 contacts and numerous follow-ups she only got 5 real live dates out of it! That is a 95% failure rate for a shared number! Now you see why guys are reluctant to share digits with just anyone? I have always been impressed by what Shatell told me. So much so that I altered my approach with girls as to distinguish myself from the masterbaters, fakes and flakes. So only sharing a number with "contributors" is one way to hopeful reduce this failure rate?

Oh and in my experience, years ago, I saw a girl reviewed here and during that encounter was introduced to another girl. I got her number and dated her a few times. This girl wasn't "out there" and as such I "developed" her as a regular. Then trying to be a nice guy, posted her and offered up her number to Senior Members. So I got a number of inquiries and one dude had low post count but seemed to have contributed, so I shared her number. The dude went and dated her and as he left she counted the poetry reading fee and the jerk shorted her $40. WTF! Then things turned ugly and there was a scene in the parking lot, dude tried to run over the girl with his car, blah, blah, blah. So when I got the report, I PM'ed the guy to see what was up. Not only did he not have the b@lls to respond, he deleted his profile and went into hiding. Douchebag! So yeah. Why would I share the number of a girl I developed with just anyone?

But it doesn't stop there. Recently I posted pictures about a provider who is a member here, Lovelyk829. I dated Lovelyk829 many years ago and posted reviews of her along with discrete pictures. Shoot, I had guys asking for her contact info for at least a year after that! LOL! But now she is back and asked me to help her out. (still same petite, tight little body) I was glad to help her because 1) she has a profile and thus email here, so I do not have to get involved in passing out her number {something I am loath to do these days because of new found info} and 2) I know Lovelyk829 can handle her own business and does not need me in the mix. So what are the reports I get back from her about all of youse? "No one serious, just guys playing games!" Hmmm, not one date and all of the guys looking for free handouts? What is up with that? I guess most guys prefer their poetry read to them by 350-lb slobs who will do anything for $10?

So some perspective on what the experiences of others have had with sharing on these board. We can over come this if guys read this and adjust their approach!CL, when I was out there regularly, I would share my adventures, but as you know it bit me in the butt. So, I do understand why some are hesitant to share. As far as lovelyk goes, I had a little bit of free time and reached out to her via I'm on here. I didn't get any response back. Maybe it was something I said or NBA, I don't know. Anyway probably a good thing, savings on my end.

As I stated in my previous post, my time is extremely limited right now, but I will be posting more really soon. This addiction got me itching right now, so I'll be out there soon enough.

[Cephlapod Love]

Wow, it's been 5 yrs since I posted that. Yup, I gave a street by street turn of the loops that I hit, when out and about.Hey AF. Nice to see you back! Hope all goes well. Couple of things:

I followed your turn by turn directions mentally and it looks good! Every one has their own style and preferences and I think you hit all of the strolls very well. For me, I'd extend some of the runs a few blocks or furlong further.

Notably, when headed up West, instead of turning at 7th, I'd go all the way up to DEA (DE Ave). That way, one passes the apt houses just before 9th. A location where I have often dropped off girls flush with a poetry reading fee. Also, I'd add Washington St in the loop somewhere, but beware of the independent businessmen at the corner stores around 7/8.

On the 4th leg, add a run out uLA to that company with the oval logo, & come back. I'd rather make a second pass on 4th than the lower part of LA. Getting to MDA is a personal preference from there but Broom has been a connector for those hoofing it.

Personal preference on MDA. I usually go out as far as Banning Park. While going up that side of the hill is less target rich, it has been productive in the past AND a few utr girls live out that way.

Interesting that information you provided many years ago and yet we still get questions from those familiar with DE as to where "the best" stroll" is located.

[RichieG23]

To all my former fellow delaware mongers.

I have successfully made it to Florida, and will begin exploits here in a month or so after I get settled. I have to say a huge thanks to all those that helped me along the way. After catching up on recent posts I can say that the information provided here was invaluable. If you read and heed it will take you a long way and yes some people will probably bash you if you make some comments, and yes others will also constantly barrage you for info without providing anything in return. You will learn to sort those things out, just by doing a bit of research as Cephlapod always says. I have learned a ton from reading here and honestly, thank you to those for helping and providing info to fellow mongers. This board is a gold mine and each should treat it as such. Be safe all and happy hunting. If ever in Brevard County fla. Just hit me up for info. Will be happy to share.

[Cephlapod Love]

I am pleased to announce that I had the pleasure of attending the inauguration ceremonies for the Newly created office of Mayoress of uLA! Stacie holds all of the qualities requisite for the position: experience, good nature, willing to help, is liked by all of the girls out there. It was a lovely ceremony with appropriate dignitaries and the appropriate pomp and circumstance.

I also learned more about the dead zone that is uLA when she gave her acceptance speech. Apparently one could not swing a dead cat and not hit a girl on Sunday evening! China, Lucky, Amy, Michelle, and another one that slips my mind. So that is six! {that has to be the definition of "dead," no?}

So if you see the Mayoress, stop and chat. And of course tip her for her time, if nothing more than to be a gent. For just information I often donate $10 to the cause. However, if one wishes their windows washed or other legals services, expect to pay more than that!

[Cephlapod Love]

Had some issues take me away from the Hobby in February for nearly a third of the month, so not as active as the previous month. Plus with so many girls found before that have digits, have been able to rest on those laurels.

So once again giving a taste of my recent experience, all fwiw. Not bragging at all, in fact part of me says nothing to be gained by posting at all. So the posting is fwiw.

Source of Dates (Demonstrates there is more than one way to find dates and often wise to keep several lines going at once. ).

1- renewed contact after some time frame away.

6- repeat dates with off the chain girls.

1 - street scoop from uLA.

1 - CL post or replies.

1- new girl via referrals from another girl or another monger.

Oh and I was unable to get to a couple of girls who showed up after having been away for awhile, not to mention a few from CL that I took a pass on for various reasons!

If you can not find something. Get on the boards and POST about technique: where you are fishing, how you are fishing, when you are fishing, what style (bait) you are using, etc. Lots of knowledgeable guys around who can help!

[Jmswozniak]

Wow, it's been 5 yrs since I posted that. Yup, I gave a street by street turn of the loops that I hit, when out and about.Where the maps are is exactly where I would have thought to look ROTFL! Thanks for providing the link!

[Cephlapod Love]

I am shocked! If you are hobbying then one needs to take STDs seriously! That means getting tested AT LEAST 2 times a year! AND IF someone you dated has an STD. Get tested to make sure you didn't get it too.

Look, a monger PM'ed me recently that he got a call from a girl he dated. She had Chlamydia and reported it to him. He went and got tested, and YES, he was POSITIVE for Chlamydia as well. So he went and got treatment and refrained from dating until he got an "all clean" test result. BUT the problem is that he dated at least two, VERY popular and highly reported on Elkton girls after he dated the girl who gave him Chlamydia and BEFORE he learned he had it. SO that means that he probably gave Chlamydia to those two girls and any other girls he dated.

But what has me shaking my head is that dudes that have dated these girls since "Mr Infected" dated them, these dudes have a "ho-hum" attitude about this information. I guess these geniuses figure that if their d*ck isn't dripping or there is no pain on urination, that they are OK? Problem is that Chlamydia infection often has ZERO outward effects. So hey, you want to run around with Chlamydia and give it to your GF, or SO only to be discovered later? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

Don't be a douchebag and an idiot and gamble with your health - GO GET TESTED!

[Cephlapod Love]

Took a tour through the box today at about 12:35 PM or so. Saw two girls out- Jackie, black hair with blue streaks and Diana in red & black coat.

Also saw two LE hiding in plain sight, pulled off to the side, parked surveying the landscape. Hard to see these guys until you are on top of them.

But hey, it is OK as I was passing out doughnuts today while I was having this delusion.

Anybody F one of these girls?

[J Richard]

I visited a person a few times who conducted business at the WaWa on Ridge and Naamans a number of years ago. One evening I am reading CL's are&are and came across a warning about her there. Sure enough the next day while showering I notice some funky shit going on down below the equator. Straight to the doctor, all around not good.

So did what I thought was appropriate and I tried to tell her, but she wanted no part of listening. I only received oral from her. You got to play safe, it's simply not worth it. Some just take too many chances, especially if you know they have other issues / demons. I did comment on the post with another public service announcement to steer clear of the area. But man, that cured me of the hobby for some time.

[Cephlapod Love]

I visited a person a few times who conducted business at the WaWa on Ridge and Naamans a number of years ago. One evening I am reading CL's are&are and came across a warning about her there. Sure enough the next day while showering I notice some funky shit going on down below the equator. Straight to the doctor, all around not good.

So did what I thought was appropriate and I tried to tell her, but she wanted no part of listening. I only received oral from her. You got to play safe, it's simply not worth it. Some just take too many chances, especially if you know they have other issues / demons. I did comment on the post with another public service announcement to steer clear of the area. But man, that cured me of the hobby for some time.I hear ya! LOL! Years ago, well before the hobby, I had an ex-GF that was an occasional hook up. Nice girl, working RN. Back then she was pretty much all I was playing with and one day I noticed a little "scab" in the pubes. So I picked it off. THEN I noticed another one and picked it off. Interestingly the skin under the "scab" didn't look like what was typical. So I looked closer at the "scab" and it had legs! Off to the Doc for Quell shampoo and ended up doing lots of bed linen washing in hot water & bleach!

But the hardest part was the garbage feelings I heaped on myself. I guess somewhere in the socialization process we are taught that only "dirty people" (I. E. Realy sub-human, lesser value people) get Venereal Diseases and what not. So I had something, so that made me "dirty?" So I get it when anyone contracts an STD or sexually transmitted "situation. " It is hard not to be down on one's self. But hey, no need to tell others (self shame) so the only one putting you down is you! LOL! I mean really, when you were a kid and got Mono, was that shamed, or did you get "props" for kissing girls and thus getting infected?

Took me a few years but realized that good people catch colds, Mono and STDs! I'm sure the religious right will tell you we are all equal in the face of God, yet they are likely be the first to condemn you as something "less than human" if you come down with an STD. So how do you want to view things? As a manageable hazard to the hobby or as all of a sudden one becomes "dirty?" Most STDs are treatable and the ones that can not be cured are manageable as long-term chronic conditions!

Of course finding and staying in a Monogamous relationship is a sure fire way to avoid STDs. Oh, and using condoms each an every time can help reduce the risk even more! Or one can just become "dirty!" LOL!

[Cephlapod Love]

So the pure douchbaggery continues on the streets. As reported to me:

Prior Sunday evening a girl was scooped off of uLA by a dude in a white Mazda. Dude called himself Miguel, a stocky, Mexican male approximately 5'9" in height. He drove her to Centerville where he offered her $20 for sex, when she refused, he forced himself on her, put one hand over her mouth and attempted to have sex with her despite her saying NO! (this geniuses is the definition of rape - once a girl, date, prostitute or your wife says "No," going further is a crime) She tried to get away, the dude took her money and her cell phone. She got out of the car but was abandoned in Centerville. I have details on the license plate, but forum rules prohibit post them here.

Reminds me of the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have done to you! If a girl does not want to take your offer, drop her off. (I guess it would be too much to ask to give her $5 for the time she spent with you and the other paying date she missed?) Just because she is "working" does not make her less of a human being than your mother, wife, sister or daughter. She still deserves respect as a human being.

But also, what is with these dudes? $10 will get you NOTHING on the streets, unless you find a girl who is Jonesing and you probably want to avoid her anyway. Look, the cost of a "bundle" of dope is around $35 - $45. Gee, any idea why street rates are what they are? So offering less than a bundle for a date usually isn't going to get you anywhere. No, you are not special and any girl has the RIGHT to refuse low-ball offers!

Now it appears as though this numbnuts does not understand is that he committed at least 3 felonies! If these girls were smart they would report these azzh*les: after all, IF the cops charge the girl with prostitution, that is a misdemeanor. So hey guys, use your big head. You want to be a "macho man"? You want to trade felonies against a misdemeanor charge?

[Cephlapod Love]

Took a tour through the box today at about 12:35 PM or so. Saw two girls out- Jackie, black hair with blue streaks and Diana in red & black coat.Fuck! I saw these two again Monday evening at about 5:32 PM! Same freaking area!

Got to lay off the LSD before I get in the car in the future! Maybe I need new glasses? Or need to wipe the "rose coloring" off of them?

[Cephlapod Love]

I mean really! I won't agree to this girl's "procedure" so mark me down as a time waster and douchebag!

Contacted the girl in this CL post. Her "rates" are listed in the advert. I mean "life and video chat=50 an hr" sounds pretty good no? A live girl for an hour at 50? Yeah, I know TGTBT!

Anyway, I politely asked if she would be willing to meet and head off to read some poetry to me or wash some windows? Her reply? $100 and you can do anything you want to me! WOW!

But that also meant one needed to send her $50 to her PayPal account and she would collect the other 50 after the windows were pristine!

So since I was born yesterday and was thinking with my little head I quickly agreed and sent her the money! NOT!

WTF is wrong with these girls? Do they pay the rent with scams like this? I mean I TRIED to figure out a way we could meet and where everyone would be happy, but she would have none of it. Hmmm.

So yeah, I know I shoulda just "paid up front" (Rule #23) and for that I must be a douchebag!

[Cephlapod Love]

Last night, I had a hallucination (again!) This time, it was in the evening and I was on LA around the auto parts store, just minding my own bidness and apparently saw Michelle. Since I was headed to the post office, didn't chat long.

Got to do something about these "visions" I keep having, as repeated reports tell me nothing is to be found out there.

[Cephlapod Love]

In the past has used the name Quinn. Recently used Lauren. As noted by OP none of the pictures represent reality. Also reportedly can host on / just off MDA. Lots of pictures online: see what one can find using Rule #6. She is constantly using new ones, not actual pics or pics that are -80# ago.

She insists on "money up front" with NO EXCEPTIONS!!!! So violates Rule #23. (totally inflexible on this) Now on my "avoid" list!

Oh wait! I just "panned" a girl! That means guys are going to rush out and see her! (after all, wdik?) Well, good luck with that!

[BlueHen]

Hey Ceph.

I saw her a few years ago not sure what name she was using then and reported that she was a dead fish and was only interested $$$ and rushing you out the door. I can't believe guys are still falling for her bullshit!


In the past has used the name Quinn. Recently used Lauren. As noted by OP none of the pictures represent reality. Also reportedly can host on / just off MDA. Lots of pictures online: see what one can find using Rule #6. She is constantly using new ones, not actual pics or pics that are -80# ago.

She insists on "money up front" with NO EXCEPTIONS!!!! So violates Rule #23. (totally inflexible on this) Now on my "avoid" list!

Oh wait! I just "panned" a girl! That means guys are going to rush out and see her! (after all, wdik?) Well, good luck with that!

[Cephlapod Love]

Anyone see these lovelies and can share some information?

LisaL. Same few pics allover several websites. No idea of location, menu or gps potential?

https://liveescortreviews.com/ad/delaware/302-414-3228/1/323250

Lee. Remember this face from before on BP, not likely a high level girl but perhaps a good date?

http://ilivegoodnow.com/2018/03/04/215-954-7700/
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So anyone have any information? thx

[Cephlapod Love]

Now I'll prolly get banned for this - promoting a "3rd Party Website here" but hey, just a being the douchebag.

Oh and as far as "other " websites*** go. You dudes need to tell your favorite girls to advertise over on the USA Adult Classifieds (USAAC) site! This sister site is hosted offshore and as such appears to be escaping the baloney that other websites are experiencing. So girls can advertise on USAAC and put up the full text of what they use to post on BP. This way they can tell WHERE they are located (so time isn't wasted when you need a Dover girl & she's in Claymont) can describe their services and can suggest rates for companionship, etc. Got to be a whole lot easier than the machinations and BS we are going through right now. Yeah, might be scary to be "first" but I have dated a girl who advertised in the past on USAAC and had fun. So mention to your girls to advertise on the USA Adult Classifieds site:

http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/



***Oh and for those who have been scratching their head over the "changes" the other websites have gone through (BP etc) - where they are only allowing pictures and phone numbers. This is the result of legislation that looks like it will soon be passed and enacted into law a bill called SESTA - Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act. It changes the laws that provide "innocence" to websites who allow others to 'self publish' sex related stuff. It makes the website liable to damages to a girl if she was trafficked using that website. So websites are trying the photo & number route as a defense against said liability.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Enabling_Sex_Traffickers_Act

[Cephlapod Love]

Too bad no one has the ballz to stand up to this kind of narrow-minded thinking. You hobby just got more difficult! Back to the streets, back alleys and MPs!

From CL:

US Congress just passed HR 1865, "FOSTA", seeking to subject websites to criminal and civil liability when third parties (users) misuse online personals unlawfully.

Any tool or service can be misused. We can't take such risk without jeopardizing all our other services, so we are regretfully taking craigslist personals offline. Hopefully we can bring them back some day.

To the millions of spouses, partners, and couples who met through craigslist, we wish you every happiness!

[Cephlapod Love]

So with Craigslist throwing in the towel over the passage of FOSTA that would appear to take away a significant hunting ground for many. The questions is what is next?

Is there a site that will take over as a replacement? What is it? (USA Adult Classifieds does not seem to be effected, so possible successor.).

Will this lead to a large increase in posts on BP?

So what happens to Supply / Demand? Will there be girls desperate to find dates and as such one can negotiate LOWER prices? Will the streets pick up? Or will horny mongers be so desperate to find anything, that they will pay anything the BP girls ask, and prices go up?

If nothing else, is it possible that BP will start to "collect" those who use to fish on CL? As such will this result in a funneling of mongers to one site where it will be easier for LE to set up stings? (is this a time where it is more important than ever to be "educated" in the hobby and follow "the rules?").

All fwiw.

We can have a discussion of trafficking and the new laws if anyone is interested.

[J Richard]

What if this site is shut down for some reason, legal or otherwise. Is there a back plan or site that we know about in advance and can continue sharing information without missing a step?

I can't remember how I came upon this site. But CL was actually listed as a source for job postings in a PA Department of Unemployment publication back around 2004. That's how I came upon that one, back when the site was really good.

I noticed locally and in other areas the CL posts have migrated to Activity Partners.

Any thoughts?

[Cephlapod Love]

What if this site is shut down for some reason, legal or otherwise. Is there a back plan or site that we know about in advance and can continue sharing information without missing a step?From what I read of posts by Admin other places, this site is not going anywhere. This site is apparently hosted OFFSHORE, that means in a foreign country where USA laws do not apply. So to go after this site for some liability would require international connections, embassys, blah, blah, blah that would take time and lots of money. Ever wonder why your favorite gambling site is hosted in some foreign country? Same reason.


I noticed locally and in other areas the CL posts have migrated to Activity Partners.

Any thoughts?Thanks! We can follow the migration, but suspect if CL catches wind of that, that section will be shutdown too. CL has repeatedly, over the years shown a HUGE risk aversion, that with this new law will continue.

Love to see where else the traffic migrates.

[Seeker5901]

Please forgive my little rant here. If a fellow posts a report on a new friend and others PM him and say "Hi, I'd like to meet your friend. One of my friends is looking for new friends too. Could we swap info?" I feel it is a bit unfair for fellows B, C, etcetera to take fellow A's info and leave him hanging.

[J Richard]

Big City and few others now have the same message as CL. Hang on tho what ever phone numbers you have. I plan on taking time tomorrow to go through them. And purge the ones that are turned off and reconnect with some others that I have not seen in a while.

[Cephlapod Love]

Please forgive my little rant here. If a fellow posts a report on a new friend and others PM him and say "Hi, I'd like to meet your friend. One of my friends is looking for new friends too. Could we swap info?" I feel it is a bit unfair for fellows B, C, etcetera to take fellow A's info and leave him hanging.Agreed! Such behavior only discourages sharing, IMHO. Which appears to be counter to the purpose of this website.

[Cephlapod Love]

Big City and few others now have the same message as CL. Hang on tho what ever phone numbers you have. I plan on taking time tomorrow to go through them. And purge the ones that are turned off and reconnect with some others that I have not seen in a while.Good advice as we step into a brave new world!

Don't forget to mention USA Adult Classifieds to your UTR girls. Looks like a viable alternative to the slowly shrinking websites.

http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/index.php?view=ads&action=clear

Wonder what we need to do to get the usage up by providers?

looks like there is good adoption in Ohio, Tennessee and other places! Why not here?

[PinHead11]

What if we posted ads in the resume, missed connections and a few other sections that have a link for USA adult classifieds. I'm sure the girls are looking there.

[Cephlapod Love]

What if we posted ads in the resume, missed connections and a few other sections that have a link for USA adult classifieds. I'm sure the girls are looking there.Great thought! Really like the "out of the box" thinking!

A few others have reported that they tried this and CL has been super vigilant in sniffing out these and blocking the users or deleting their accounts or whatever. I know in the State of DE, those with Comcast internet service, one gets assigned a static IP address. With Comcast, from what I have read and in my experience, one has to leave their modem unplugged for 72-hours in order to generate a new IP address for the account. So that is a tough way around any block by CL.

I can see it only getting worse at CL, as they work to avoid getting their site seized.

So the key is what is next? A migration to sites like USA Sex Guide's Adult Classified Site? A return to posting about UTR girls on Bulletin Boards? Yahoo Groups?

[Cephlapod Love]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4434358/Backpage.pdf

OK, I have read the BP Indictment and have these observations:

1) This is an indictment by a Federal Grand Jury in the District Court of Arizona. This in itself is "interesting. " A Grand Jury is not a normal proceeding or trial. Its purpose is to make a determination "whether there is enough evidence, or probable cause, to indict a criminal suspect. " This is key as two things at work. First the standard of "probable cause" is a low bar and second only the prosecutor is present to present whatever fact he wishes.

Unlike a normal jury trial or a preliminary hearing, which are BOTH adversarial processes and thus a seeking of "the truth," the Grand Jury only hearrs one side of the story in order to determine "probable cause" for determining IF a crime has been committed. It is certainly a easier standard than a direct arrest and the a preliminary hearing before a judge, when rules of evidence, testimony from both sides and a determination by one knowledgeable in the law decide if the charges are valid.

Since it is a pretty low bar prosecutor has to hurdle in order to get an indictment, there is a joke in the legal community that any good prosecutor could get and indictment against a ham sandwich! Remember only one side or one view of the facts is presented.

So the fact that this action is an indictment suggests that perhaps this was a weaker case, and that all of the charges that were made against the defendants may not stick or survive scrutiny by a judge.

Also there are many technicalities and details of case law that are likely relevant to these charges, all of which is the bailiwick of lawyers, not MB posters. So we'll see.

Of course with SESTA-FOSTA soon to be signed into law and it retroactive provisions, perhaps these charges stick?

[Cephlapod Love]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4434358/Backpage.pdf

2) This indictment is against seven (7) defendants. The two founders of BackPage (LACEY & LARKIN), SPEAR an Exec VP, BRUNST CFO, HYER Sales & Marketing Director, PADILLA Ops Mgr and VAUGHT Asst Ops Mgr.

Now I note that one of the founders, is identified as "C. F. " in the indictment documents is NOT one of the defendants. So perhaps this individual has cut a deal and is a witness for the prosecution?

3) The Defendants are charged 93 separate counts or charges which include: Conspiracy, Facilitating Prostitution and 4 separate charges related to Money Laundering. 50 of the charges related directly to Facilitating Prostitution. So 54% of the charges. One charges relates to Conspiracy and the rest are related to Money Laundering (44%) Oh and there is a Charge for forfeiture allegations. I. e. Gubmint seizing assets!

4) The indictment doc lays out the background of BackPage and its history as it relates to the alleged illegal acts. This takes 156 paragraphs and 40 pages. The charges are laid out in para 157 through 171, including tables over 13 pages.

5) The final charge the Forfeiture Allegations take up another 4 pages. This shows the assets the gubmint wishes to seize as:

10 properties in CA, AZ, TX and IL.

25 Bank and Brokerage Accounts in USA and the world.

35 separate web domain names.

6) The indictment lays out details of 17 victims that were sold for sex using BP adverts. Some under-aged.

[Cephlapod Love]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4434358/Backpage.pdf

7) Looking at the "history" of BackPage as laid out in para 1 -157 is interesting and dismaying. At one point I was an advocate of BP stating that they worked with LE on trafficking and under-aged cases. The presented facts seem to differ and my opinion has changed.

*the following is my opinion of what I read *.

This lays out a litany of behavior that is incomprehensible to this reader.

A. BP had MANY warnings that what it was doing was on the fringe of the law and thus a risk to the business and principles. In spite of numerous warnings, the facts presented seem to indicate that BP did little or nothing. Or the bare minimum. Now maybe this is historical revisionism on my part looking back, as things or the environment could have been different way back then. But still it looks like these guys put profits first. When your business faces a risk, one needs to clearly evaluate the risk and make appropriate adjustments to manage that risk. It in not clear that that is what BP did!

I remember some changes in BP over the years. It use to be the wild west (I. E. Unregulated & anything goes) with pictures of genital and even a few with sex acts. The language was clear that sex acts were for sale and prices were listed. THEN at one point I remember, BP put in place a prohibition against nudity, sex acts. Also somewhere along the line they issued warnings about mentioning sex for money or using code words to get around such. Then as pressure built they shutdown the adult services section, but allowed the traffic to migrate to the "dating" section.

The documents show that BP had teams in AZ and vendors in India, etc who would review adverts and "edit" them to remove pictures and text that were unacceptable. But herein lies the rub. BP was afraid of loosing customers that they edited text and kept the adverts, even when they were clearly illegal: trafficking or under-aged.

B. Second, when it came to under-aged stuff on their site, BP essentially turned a blind eye. For example when adverts came if with an age of 17, they were rejected, but accepted once the poster changed the advert to 19. Instead of reporting under-aged stuff, they had a list of prohibited words (like Lolita) that were stripped from the advert, rather than rejected or reported to authorities. In fact, BP was afraid that they might exceed 500 trafficking/under-age reports in a month so caution reviewers against that.

C. Several LE agencies or related NGOs met with or corresponded with BP about the under-aged stuff (several times, different groups) and BP was given specific steps they could take to to eliminate such. One such suggestion was age-verification software, but BP deemed that would cost 79-99-cents per search and cut into profits.

I'll dig out some of the specifics in the allegations are they are numerous and post them when I can.

[Cephlapod Love]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...8/Backpage.pdf

BackPage grew out of an alternative newspaper, Phoenix New Times, which frequently featured ads for prostitution. By 2000 the rise of the internet and Craigslist with free classified advertising, began to cut into PNT's revenues since they depended on classified advertising.

So BackPage was created as an alternative to CL. In January 2006 BP supplied only 1% of ad revenues. By 2008, BackPage was generating $5 million (MM) in annual profit. 2009 it increased to $10 MM profit.

In 2010 Craigslist shutdown its Adult Services sections due to illegal services. BP anticipated a deluge of adult content advertising. Annual profits in 2010 were $26 MM, $52 MM in 2011 and $78 MM in 2012. Profits grew to $112 MM in 2013 and over $134 MM in 2014..

In 2015, the founders LACEY and LARKIN sold their ownership interest for $600 MM in what looks like a shell game of companies to hide true ownership. The purchasers borrowed most of the money used to buy BP.

As early as 2008, BP was aware that a majority of the adult ads involved prostitution, yet made a financial decision to continue. They didn't want to be in an uncompetitive position relative to CL.

In response to pressure, BP started to moderate and clean up adverts- removing sex act pictures and coded terms for prostitution.

In 2010, CF testified in a criminal trial of a pimp who used the email address "Youngpimpin86" in a BP ad. The Indictment states, "This episode provided notice to Backpage that it was implausible to pretend such ads were merely offering lawful escort services. ".

A second time in 2010 CF of BP testified in court in the criminal trial of a pimp who used BP adverts.

Then a series of emails periodically when BP gave guidance to its moderators on stripping out offensive pictures and text, but kept the advertisement. But it looks like guidance wavered and changed. Remember, in 2010 profits jumped from $10 MM (2009) to $26 MM (2010) headed for $52 MM in 2011.

But what comes next appears to this writer to be egregious.

[Cephlapod Love]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...8/Backpage.pdf

Sorry if this section is long and a bit tedious, just wanted to lay out the LONG history where BP could have acted.

So as early as Nov 2010, BP was aware that adverts used the term "Lolita" in them and that referred to under-aged girls. BP suggestion was that this term could be stripped out of the ads and the ad posted anyway, not refusing to post ad or reporting it.

Then later in Nov 2010, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) had a conference call with BP where BP was told that many of the ads on BP featured children.

In January 2011, BP met with a rep from NCMEC and BP told them, "adult prostitution is none of your business. " Again in March 2011 BP met with NCMEC.

In July 2011 BP discussed internally the possibility of using age-verification software. CF acknowledged the software could be beneficial (This might be our solution) but recommended against its wholesale adoption because it would cost 79 to 99 cents per query and would thus cut into Backpagess profits.

August 2011 the mayor of Seattle wrote that LE had identified that an alarming number of juveniles were advertised on BP and recommended BP require age verification for "escorts. " BP declined to adopt.

In October 2011, BP had discussions about the under age issue. With respect to one particular proposal, C.F. acknowledged it was a good one but recommended against adopting it because Backpage would not derive any public relations benefit from doing so: This is a good idea but it is not visible to AGs (state attorneys general) so it has little PR value. It is low priority.

April 2012, BP was informed that one escort depicted on the site was only 17 years old. The girl's full name, both year were provided and it was noted the 17 yo was attempting to recruit the complaining party's 15 yo daughter. BP advised staff to refuse to remove the ad because shes isn't claiming her own daughter is in the ad.

Does not appear to this writer that the 17 yo's advert was reported to LE or anything further was done.

November 2012 AZ State Univ researcher published a study on Phoenix BP adverts showing many depicted juvenile trafficking. Researcher met with BP to propose various mechanisms for reducing or eliminating the prostitution of children. BP declined to adopt proposals.

June 2013, NCMEC sent a letter to BP recommending specific security measures to prevent trafficking of children. BP declined to follow any of these recommendations.

Are you exhausted yet? BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!

January 2017 A Senate subcommittee issued a report "Backpage.com's Knowing Facilitation of Online Sex Trafficking" Backpage has maintained a practice of altering ads before publication by deleting words, phrases and images indicative of the criminality, including child sex trafficking In response, BP shut down the adult section of its website but allowed the traffic to migrate to other sections.

So it appears as though numerous sources came to BP, hat in hand with concerns over under aged girls. Not only did they provide proof, but they offered to help BP by providing tangible things BP could do to to help with the issue. It appears that in most cases BPs response was to strip offending text or pictures from ads but continuing to post them. So BP had many opportunities to do the right thing when it came to trafficking and to the under aged issue but failed to act.

I mean REALLY? That many people trying to work with you, not to shut down your business, but modify it a bit so the worst stuff gets removed / reported and you thumb your nose at them?

It is no surprise to me that after years of effort to "work with" BP, that the response was an act of Congress and a new over-reaching public law. IMHO BP actions were irresponsible and in doing so it scr*wed over the entire industry!

[Seeker5901]

So I try to give back to the community whenever I can. Next thing I know a bunch of people with zero posts pm me left, right, and center. One even had the balls to attach a read reciept! Sheesh!

Be active and contributing before you ask.

[Cephlapod Love]

So I try to give back to the community whenever I can. Next thing I know a bunch of people with zero posts pm me left, right, and center. One even had the balls to attach a read reciept! Sheesh!

Be active and contributing before you ask.You make a good point and one I hear often from other Big contributors around here. Often the emails leave me shaking my head. There are several types:

1. The dude who has not contributed anything, has no posts or has only "give me" posts who asks for digits. This dude gets incensed when he doesn't get what he wants for just asking. I don't know if this is a generational thing or an internet thing? I. e. Those who grew up not learning anything, just asking whatever they needed?

2. Those with an ego who get their knickers in a twist easily when the reply isn't what they want. Or feel slighted at the littlest of things.

3. Those that are just plain azzh*les.

A few pointers to others who want to avoid looking like the above.

A. READ THE FREAKING THREADS! When I first started many moons ago, I read EVERY post in Delaware! EVERYONE. Shoot it took a few months, but the "education" was invaluable! Sure some of it was dated as "the Office" was no longer around, but it was fruitful to see that discussion for any number of reasons. I think most guys post to share and help others, rather than an ego trip of "hey, look at what I bagged!

B. Try to build some cred (credibility)! Post counts don't means squat. I have seen guys sign up one day and get Sr. Status the next. They run all over the general discussion boards and post profound stuff like, "good post"! Anyone who does that is gaming the system and gets a black mark in my book. Look, I initially built cred here by reading the threads and asking technique questions. That showed I was interested and trying. Shoot I even posted once about seeing a girl on the pay phone at Memorial & Rte9 - but still that showed I was in the game and trying. There have been a few posters over the years that showed up asked technique questions and became good compatriots! You don't have to post 3 reports every week, but demonstrating you are in the game and being helpful goes a long way. Building cred is a good objective. It opens the doors to those with contacts.

C. Try to keep your ego in check, (OMFG! Did he just say that??? Pot-Kettle-Black! LOL!) if things don't initially go your way. Give some slack to others who have contributed and are willing to share. After all they maybe bombarded with PMs from the three types above. I mean even if you are a 20-year veteran to the stroll, you still need to demonstrate that to build cred, or at least show some respect to the locals. Do you go to a buddy's house, pizz all over his front porch and then get excited when he objects? Look, in the long run this is only wh*remongering! What is to be gained by becoming "the big dog" amongst a bunch of mongers? Lighten up, have fun.

D. If you want something, have something to give. Look, I have YEARS of experience and knowledge in this game. I earned every inch of it, some through "the school of hard knocks", some by certain sacrifices, some by a lot of time & energy. As they say, Knowledge is power. So why should I give away all of that for free and get nothing out of it? What have you got to offer me in return? I mean sheet, haven't I posted enough tips, tricks and info to have built up a few Karma points? So if you want something from another poster, isn't it fair to have something to share in return?

This can be a wonderful place, with lots of info and friends. But each dude needs to do his part, share as much as they take or even share a bit more. If everyone does that then everyone wins. Otherwise we devolve into the three types above.

Stay safe,

- Delaware's Chief Douchebag!
and resident Azzh*le!!!!

[Cephlapod Love]

So DE Mongering is still quite active but a few observations.

Streets Still Alive

While the streets are still alive, it has gotten a bit more challenging. 1) Lots of girls are locked up or in rehab. The focus on opioids has come to DE and treatment is available. Also the clinic through Connections is offering vouchers for apartments to girls and that is getting them off of the streets. 2) LE cleaned up MDA for a while and it was the dregs. Lots of LE presence drove girls away and the constant presence of parked or roaming LE certainly made this monger nervous. Nice to see a report or two that some girls are being found there. Did see a spinner near the Cricket store on Friday. 3) The Box is the box- still lots of LE presence, seem to have a permanent residence at Wash & 7th as to keep the independent business men at bay. But there is always a black girl around and occasionally others. 4) uLA was THE hunting ground, but in the last month or so it seems to have gotten LE attention. Saw obvious LE presence with lights a couple of mornings recently and a girl reports that a body was found at KS or 711. So looks like LE is hanging out "protecting" those wandering to the clinic. Note that LE includes several UCLE vehicles: Big Black SUV with brush guard and a sliver / grey sedan, Chevy? (just saw Sat night). So a couple of passes before any obvious pick ups. Girls still out there: Stacy, Always-Preggers-Ashley w / BF (who I have seen falling down stoned at uLA & Union a couple of times), Lucky, Jenn, Chrissy (former Mayoress of MDA), Milfsalot's Kristina, Jaci with the pink hair, Nola, Sarah (long black hair, exotic look), fat-disgusting-GPS-Amy and a few others I can't remember. So there are a few out there still, just takes some hunting and some caution.

SESTA killed BP - guys got desperate!

So about a year ago SESTA shutdown the infamous BP. Sure looks like guys panicked! While you use to be able to get on BP for 100/ hr now girls are asking 200! WTF! The quality level of girls hasn't gotten any better, nor their looks! I still only give 50-60 for a girl I met on line and who cares what amount of time it is, I get mine. But clearly dudes are paying these high prices! Sigh. Actually these is a girl, Kelsey, aka Kelly Madison who spent some time last year "organizing" the local talent. Created some super secret website where they shared info on dates: who was dangerous, rip-off, violent and who knows what else? She got them set as to what prices should be and as things go, copy-cats saw the increased amounts these girls were asking so they asked for the same rate! Sigh. Oh well, go ahead and pay $80 for a ss with a drugged out girl, one in one of the sleazy notels or a hood rat! I never pay what amounts to $200/ hour unless the girl has a website. Shoot hit the AMPs for 160! Use to be you could get hillbilly tale for 200/ hr from WHFT, but.

Dudes Don't Seem to Be Reading & Following the Rules!

Read a thread here about the closure of WHFT! That didn't surprise me at all, since the dude was pretty indiscreet and "out there!" In the light of SESTA, one would think dudes in the hobby would reconsider things! After all this website moved offshore and made other changes. But reports from girls I got were that a girl HAD to bang the proprietor to get a job there, also saw video of him urinating on a girl, so who knows if one girl or two were not free to work when they wanted and thus turned on him as 'trafficking?" BUT WHAT THE HECK ARE THESE DUDES WHO ARE GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM LE? I just do not understand this, how did they get found if they "followed the rules?" Seems like the perfect example for having a burner phone and GV layered on to of that? Normally solicitation charges being misdemeanors do not warrant the expenditure or effort involved in getting warrants to get info from GV & burner company. But I guess if the Feds are involved then resources are available? But still? If a burner is set up right how would that lead back to the monger? So yeah, mongers called by LE should consult a good criminal attorney and hope they can discretely talk, without SO finding out. Also, IF I were one who had frequented WHFT, NOW would be a good time to do what one is suppose to do when threatened. DUMP the burner phone & GV number and start all over! My phone would be in pieces in the middle of the DE river! So word to the wise: becarefull about becoming a "regular" at an "agency!" Would it make sense to switch burners every 6-months?

Also saw a few dudes lament about getting ripped of by girls when they paid upfront! Sigh. Isn't THAT one of the "rules?" I had that happen to me recently. Girl wanted up front money. I refused. She got snippy about it so I got dressed and headed for the door. When she could tell she wasn't getting anything and her time was wasted, she relented. But that usually clouds her attitude and the date, so best to keep walking. Sometimes with a scoop, I mention it upfront as part of the negotiation. A lot easier to turn 180 and drop them off than drama somewhere.

Digits & Friends are a key!

Was just tallying up the number or girls I have dated in the last year that come from "referrals!" You know, you find a decent girt you have fun with and see them from time to time. The smart ones that are worth dating aren't jealous and know dudes need variety. As long as they get an occasional date they are happy to share. So one girl gave me G2 and G2 gave me G3-10! Got a couple of others from those girls. The gift that keeps on giving! LOL So it is safer than scooping as the girl is known and she knows about you too. Had a 4 month affair with a girl who was preggers. A referral from G2! Oh and there are others probably another half dozen that have referred others. I guess if one is shy to ask, have the girl set up doubles and then get the doubles partner number during the date! One girl hosted dates at her friend's place and eventually I tapped the friend! Oh, and because the first girl in the chain was a street scoop. Street rates apply! LOL! So I picked up UTR girls and have dates with them for street rates! THAT sure beats the over prices CXG girls, and dates are usually better!

Rates go with where you find them & often are negotiable

There is a girl out on uLA who has GPS. Asks for 80-100 for an indoor date. She pulled that cr at p on me and promptly got dropped off! I use to be scared to say anything when a girl did that, but now I just kindly laugh at them and say, 'No, street rates are 30-40. " That lets them know I know what I am talking about and most of them come back with OK, 40! Sometimes if a girl is cute of seems to have something personality wise, I might offer an additional 10 as a performance bonus. That seems to motivate a better date! But the online girls, due to the "training" of Kelsey, or the "monkey see, monkey do" stuff can be a bit tougher. I have a menu I seek and that often weeds out girls right & left. So don't be surprised if you strike out with a lot of them. Many fish in the sea! Don't fixate on one girl and let that fixation let the little head drive you into paying too much! Learn how to negotiate. I think it makes sense to use an approach like, "Would you be able to take XX for your time?" Rather than, I got 40 or best "I" can do is 50. Just seems a better approach IMHO.

Guide to Searching CXG

CXG has become the same level as the old BP. About 70% of adverts are by AMPs. I switch to gallery view. Then after some time looking at pics, got a feeling for which ones were the AMPs, so easliy skipped. Usually in gallery view the AMPs have their address show up on the bottom of the pic. THEN I look at the same location on the pics and look for ones that just say "Delaware!" Hover the pointer over a picture and the phone number, if there is one, shows up above the picture. So not 100%, but usually 95% of the time the pics that have Delaware as a location are fake adverts. I also avoid the ones with no phone number as the only contact method is via email. They want you to PM them, with your email to collect your address to sell to spammers, or of course get you to "sign up" somewhere to get the girls number. So, I can scan the entire page of CXG adverts in about 2-minutes tops! Then what is left is usually a lot of hood rats and white trash, fwiw. But hey, visuals, reading adverts, etc is a skill that come with time. Any girl who asks how much I got, or who wants to know if I am coming now, is all about the money and not the kind of date I am looking for. Oh and I want to call out one girl in particular. Goes by Honeybunny or something similar on CXG. This is no "girl" rather she is another girl's Mom and her real name is Joyce. She is one of the most disgusting individuals I have ever encountered while doing this hobby. I would not stick your d*ck in her, even with 3 condoms on it! She has GPS, she treats others like garbage, even her own daughters, she has drug dealers living with her, her place is a mess and she'll play bareback with anyone who asks. So if you want to head to her place at 8th & Washington. Go head. One thing to note, her daughter, who IS a sweet girl lives in the same building, but NOT the same apartment! So if you head to that address, make sure you are seeing the right girl and not Joyce! Guess now that I panned Joyce a bunch of dudes will race out to pay her GPS prices and see her! LOL!

That's all folks! Back underground! Good luck! Happy Mongering!

[Shampoo]

In this one case I'm not sure a burner would have helped. They had a camera mounted at the front and back of the place and were matching tags to people. So maybe a call would be coming to the house instead of the cell? That document with info regarding shutting down whft sure did open my eyes. Tracking devices on cars, pole cameras, false stories to get info from the hotel staff (oh, we're investigating a robbery. Can we see your records to see who stayed here) I'd love to post it but not sure if I'm allowed since it has his name in it. Not sure if it's still available on courtlistener.

X is an ass though, and I wish we all had thought better about going there. Going to be a long few months waiting to get the call. I'd love to hear the results of anyone who actually did speak with LE. Did they arrest you? Are you OK? Are they done with you? Maybe their lawyers advised them not to post anymore.

I still don't see how they could arrest you though. They actually followed one guy after he left and pulled him over. He told LE he was just getting a massage. They traced another tag to a rental agency. Anyway. I think if they didn't have cameras in the room like Florida you should be good. Even still I don't think they can do anything since that case is going down the sitter. Plus MD is a 2 consent state so even if x was recording (which that mf probably was) I don't think it's admissible. Maybe I've just been trying to convince myself ill be ok. Definitely the biggest mistake I've ever made.

X will answer the charges in early May so hopefully it will be quick and over. I kind of keep hoping he'll get run over or something. LOL.

What I find really odd is that this hasn't hit the news at all. Maybe it won't? .


So DE Mongering is still quite active but a few observations.

Streets Still Alive

While the streets are still alive, it has gotten a bit more challenging. 1) Lots of girls are locked up or in rehab. The focus on opioids has come to DE and treatment is available. Also the clinic through Connections is offering vouchers for apartments to girls and that is getting them off of the streets. 2) LE cleaned up MDA for a while and it was the dregs. Lots of LE presence drove girls away and the constant presence of parked or roaming LE certainly made this monger nervous. Nice to see a report or two that some girls are being found there. Did see a spinner near the Cricket store on Friday. 3) The Box is the box- still lots of LE presence, seem to have a permanent residence at Wash & 7th as to keep the independent business men at bay. But there is always a black girl around and occasionally others. 4) uLA was THE hunting ground, but in the last month or so it seems to have gotten LE attention. Saw obvious LE presence with lights a couple of mornings recently and a girl reports that a body was found at KS or 711. So looks like LE is hanging out "protecting" those wandering to the clinic. Note that LE includes several UCLE vehicles: Big Black SUV with brush guard and a sliver / grey sedan, Chevy? (just saw Sat night). So a couple of passes before any obvious pick ups. Girls still out there: Stacy, Always-Preggers-Ashley w / BF (who I have seen falling down stoned at uLA & Union a couple of times), Lucky, Jenn, Chrissy (former Mayoress of MDA), Milfsalot's Kristina, Jaci with the pink hair, Nola, Sarah (long black hair, exotic look), fat-disgusting-GPS-Amy and a few others I can't remember. So there are a few out there still, just takes some hunting and some caution.

SESTA killed BP - guys got desperate!

So about a year ago SESTA shutdown the infamous BP. Sure looks like guys panicked! While you use to be able to get on BP for 100/ hr now girls are asking 200! WTF! The quality level of girls hasn't gotten any better, nor their looks! I still only give 50-60 for a girl I met on line and who cares what amount of time it is, I get mine. But clearly dudes are paying these high prices! Sigh. Actually these is a girl, Kelsey, aka Kelly Madison who spent some time last year "organizing" the local talent. Created some super secret website where they shared info on dates: who was dangerous, rip-off, violent and who knows what else? She got them set as to what prices should be and as things go, copy-cats saw the increased amounts these girls were asking so they asked for the same rate! Sigh. Oh well, go ahead and pay $80 for a ss with a drugged out girl, one in one of the sleazy notels or a hood rat! I never pay what amounts to $200/ hour unless the girl has a website. Shoot hit the AMPs for 160! Use to be you could get hillbilly tale for 200/ hr from WHFT, but.

Dudes Don't Seem to Be Reading & Following the Rules!

Read a thread here about the closure of WHFT! That didn't surprise me at all, since the dude was pretty indiscreet and "out there!" In the light of SESTA, one would think dudes in the hobby would reconsider things! After all this website moved offshore and made other changes. But reports from girls I got were that a girl HAD to bang the proprietor to get a job there, also saw video of him urinating on a girl, so who knows if one girl or two were not free to work when they wanted and thus turned on him as 'trafficking?" BUT WHAT THE HECK ARE THESE DUDES WHO ARE GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM LE? I just do not understand this, how did they get found if they "followed the rules?" Seems like the perfect example for having a burner phone and GV layered on to of that? Normally solicitation charges being misdemeanors do not warrant the expenditure or effort involved in getting warrants to get info from GV & burner company. But I guess if the Feds are involved then resources are available? But still? If a burner is set up right how would that lead back to the monger? So yeah, mongers called by LE should consult a good criminal attorney and hope they can discretely talk, without SO finding out. Also, IF I were one who had frequented WHFT, NOW would be a good time to do what one is suppose to do when threatened. DUMP the burner phone & GV number and start all over! My phone would be in pieces in the middle of the DE river! So word to the wise: becarefull about becoming a "regular" at an "agency!" Would it make sense to switch burners every 6-months?

Also saw a few dudes lament about getting ripped of by girls when they paid upfront! Sigh. Isn't THAT one of the "rules?" I had that happen to me recently. Girl wanted up front money. I refused. She got snippy about it so I got dressed and headed for the door. When she could tell she wasn't getting anything and her time was wasted, she relented. But that usually clouds her attitude and the date, so best to keep walking. Sometimes with a scoop, I mention it upfront as part of the negotiation. A lot easier to turn 180 and drop them off than drama somewhere.

Digits & Friends are a key!

Was just tallying up the number or girls I have dated in the last year that come from "referrals!" You know, you find a decent girt you have fun with and see them from time to time. The smart ones that are worth dating aren't jealous and know dudes need variety. As long as they get an occasional date they are happy to share. So one girl gave me G2 and G2 gave me G3-10! Got a couple of others from those girls. The gift that keeps on giving! LOL So it is safer than scooping as the girl is known and she knows about you too. Had a 4 month affair with a girl who was preggers. A referral from G2! Oh and there are others probably another half dozen that have referred others. I guess if one is shy to ask, have the girl set up doubles and then get the doubles partner number during the date! One girl hosted dates at her friend's place and eventually I tapped the friend! Oh, and because the first girl in the chain was a street scoop. Street rates apply! LOL! So I picked up UTR girls and have dates with them for street rates! THAT sure beats the over prices CXG girls, and dates are usually better!

Rates go with where you find them & often are negotiable

There is a girl out on uLA who has GPS. Asks for 80-100 for an indoor date. She pulled that cr at p on me and promptly got dropped off! I use to be scared to say anything when a girl did that, but now I just kindly laugh at them and say, 'No, street rates are 30-40. " That lets them know I know what I am talking about and most of them come back with OK, 40! Sometimes if a girl is cute of seems to have something personality wise, I might offer an additional 10 as a performance bonus. That seems to motivate a better date! But the online girls, due to the "training" of Kelsey, or the "monkey see, monkey do" stuff can be a bit tougher. I have a menu I seek and that often weeds out girls right & left. So don't be surprised if you strike out with a lot of them. Many fish in the sea! Don't fixate on one girl and let that fixation let the little head drive you into paying too much! Learn how to negotiate. I think it makes sense to use an approach like, "Would you be able to take XX for your time?" Rather than, I got 40 or best "I" can do is 50. Just seems a better approach IMHO.

Guide to Searching CXG

CXG has become the same level as the old BP. About 70% of adverts are by AMPs. I switch to gallery view. Then after some time looking at pics, got a feeling for which ones were the AMPs, so easliy skipped. Usually in gallery view the AMPs have their address show up on the bottom of the pic. THEN I look at the same location on the pics and look for ones that just say "Delaware!" Hover the pointer over a picture and the phone number, if there is one, shows up above the picture. So not 100%, but usually 95% of the time the pics that have Delaware as a location are fake adverts. I also avoid the ones with no phone number as the only contact method is via email. They want you to PM them, with your email to collect your address to sell to spammers, or of course get you to "sign up" somewhere to get the girls number. So, I can scan the entire page of CXG adverts in about 2-minutes tops! Then what is left is usually a lot of hood rats and white trash, fwiw. But hey, visuals, reading adverts, etc is a skill that come with time. Any girl who asks how much I got, or who wants to know if I am coming now, is all about the money and not the kind of date I am looking for. Oh and I want to call out one girl in particular. Goes by Honeybunny or something similar on CXG. This is no "girl" rather she is another girl's Mom and her real name is Joyce. She is one of the most disgusting individuals I have ever encountered while doing this hobby. I would not stick your d*ck in her, even with 3 condoms on it! She has GPS, she treats others like garbage, even her own daughters, she has drug dealers living with her, her place is a mess and she'll play bareback with anyone who asks. So if you want to head to her place at 8th & Washington. Go head. One thing to note, her daughter, who IS a sweet girl lives in the same building, but NOT the same apartment! So if you head to that address, make sure you are seeing the right girl and not Joyce! Guess now that I panned Joyce a bunch of dudes will race out to pay her GPS prices and see her! LOL!

That's all folks! Back underground! Good luck! Happy Mongering!

[Cephlapod Love]

In this one case I'm not sure a burner would have helped. They had a camera mounted at the front and back of the place and were matching tags to people. So maybe a call would be coming to the house instead of the cell? That document with info regarding shutting down whft sure did open my eyes. Tracking devices on cars, pole cameras, false stories to get info from the hotel staff (oh, we're investigating a robbery. Can we see your records to see who stayed here) I'd love to post it but not sure if I'm allowed since it has his name in it. Not sure if it's still available on courtlistener.

X is an ass though, and I wish we all had thought better about going there. Going to be a long few months waiting to get the call. I'd love to hear the results of anyone who actually did speak with LE. Did they arrest you? Are you OK? Are they done with you? Maybe their lawyers advised them not to post anymore.

I still don't see how they could arrest you though. They actually followed one guy after he left and pulled him over. He told LE he was just getting a massage. They traced another tag to a rental agency. Anyway. I think if they didn't have cameras in the room like Florida you should be good. Even still I don't think they can do anything since that case is going down the sitter. Plus MD is a 2 consent state so even if x was recording (which that mf probably was) I don't think it's admissible. Maybe I've just been trying to convince myself ill be ok. Definitely the biggest mistake I've ever made.

X will answer the charges in early May so hopefully it will be quick and over. I kind of keep hoping he'll get run over or something. LOL.

What I find really odd is that this hasn't hit the news at all. Maybe it won't? .Ah, but there is the rub! From what I understand, at one point (early on?), there was a laptop in the room where the date happened, with an operating web cam, such that X could monitor the date and keep the girls safe. At least that is what I heard or was discussed here. In fact, I put up a lengthy post on WHFT which mentioned the recording in the room and best I recall no one refuted such.

Now that said, IF one is one of the dudes "caught on film" playing with one of X's girls, not to worry. Not sure how that video can translate to charges since X collected the money up front and I doubt there was a discussion of sex acts for money with him. Certainly there should have been no reason to talk "acts" for money with the girl even if the date is recorded. Er, that is unless one offered up the extra $50 for BBFS and that was discussed and recorded? Anyway, looks like the best one could get charged with is solicitation, which in DE is a misdemeanor. Sure, not something one wants on their record, but a low level crime. Suspect that mongers could get immunity if they flip on X. But hey, who knows?

My evaluation was that the whole set up was not good and thus something to be avoided. But hey, from what I remember from the boards on the WHFT site, there were plenty of guys who bought into the game there.

But the dude who got followed and stopped and told LE that he was just getting a massage was one sharp cookie! LE is trained to get you to incriminate your self, so this monger did exactly the right thing! {Normal "human reaction" is to come clean when one gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar! Which of course is giving up one's 5th Amend. rights!}

Another question that comes to mind is- how long was LE monitoring the activities; I. E. Recording the comings and goings on camera? Sounds like, perhaps it was a more recent event, post SESTA? If those tapes go back to Day One of his operation, that is another story entirely!

Some of the info you posted about this case is not something I have seen. {then again perhaps I didn't read closely or do enough digging} Can you PM me links to where you got that info?

Oh well.

[Cephlapod Love]

Ah, but there is the rub! From what I understand, at one point (early on?), there was a laptop in the room where the date happened, with an operating web cam, such that X could monitor the date and keep the girls safe. At least that is what I heard or was discussed here. In fact, I put up a lengthy post on WHFT which mentioned the recording in the room and best I recall no one refuted such.

Another question that comes to mind is- how long was LE monitoring the activities; I. E. Recording the comings and goings on camera? Sounds like, perhaps it was a more recent event, post SESTA? If those tapes go back to Day One of his operation, that is another story entirely! The answers to these questions can be found here and is a mandatory read for anyone with dealings with the outfit.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8qoubv9oziis87t/gov.uscourts.mdd.448235.3.0.pdf?dl=0

I am interested that what is in essence hearsay can be used as evidence to obtain search warrants. After all, as previously reported, this writer never contacted WHFT, avoided the business entirely and has no direct / personal knowledge of any of their activities.

[Cephlapod Love]

As I mentioned recently, networking is a good way to expand one's dating experiences. To wit, see the attached pics which show a month of activity for a dude and how / where found as well as rates. Are you networking? Overpaying?

Letters indicate where found: S= street, C= online & are= referral.

Rates for time & companionship is shown as a number. Where multiple numbers are listed, that shows rates for all days (I. E. Subsequent visits are 2nd, 3rd numbers).

Tired of teaching, probably will retire. Get on the GF2 W track.

[Cephlapod Love]

Tired of teaching, probably will retire. Get on the GF2 W track.not calling out anyone in particular or at all, just venting frustrations and being the head d-bag here, with the hope it in someway it helps

Had a bit of hiatus and when I looked back at threads it appears as though few are reading the forums and learning from them. Sigh.

1. That WHFT debacle is a good example. Sure looks like dudes thought that if it was on the net, it must be ok and didn't bother to think. Now, sure looks like every dude who dated one of the WHFT girls has a video recrding of their first date in the hands of LE. Those who dated after a certain point have video footage of their car with license plate and them entering the known motel room also in LE hands! Sure looks like that is how LE "found" guys and were able to contact them at their home numbers. Only one monger reported to me that he had the foresight to park somewhere off the motel property and walk over to the room! WTF! One dude out of how many was "thinking" or applied "the rules?" SMH. At times there were LE physically present observing the comings & goings. Isn't recon one of 'the rules?" Did these dudes ignore the rules? Weren't observant enough to see the stakeout? Of just plain unaware of the rules?

My point (frustration?) is: does anyone think? Following FOSTA / SESTA passage, it was sure clear that open operations like that would get attention. Next, there was ample discussion on the threads about the video taping of dates. Shoot so much so that it was regurgitated in the threads repeatedly. Yet apparently few heeded those warnings. My experience is that one benefits from developing a 'spidey sense' in this hobby for any number of reasons. I found that ignoring that or just not developing the spidey senses is when trouble will find you! Most of the times I paid "tuition" in the school of dating it was early on, as I was learning. A lot of education came free through these threads and for that I have paid back or paid forward. But alas, if no one is paying attention? Additionally I have to remind myself periodically to remember that one should always be learning in the hobby. A few times when I thought I knew it all was when the streets / hobby taught me a lesson or two.

2. Saw a post by a newbie who wanted to know where the strolls were located. OK, newbie needs to read the freaking threads! I get that and get that there is a new crop of hobbyists that want instant gratification and see no value in history. Those dudes will learn the hard way as they are lead around by the little head. That is why stings keep working. But what was further dismaying was that those that responded to the newbie, didn't direct him to the resources this site provides! So one wonders IF those Sr's were aware of the resources?

Here is the place where a couple of local (philly area) dudes created a repository for stroll maps all over the the country. Seems like these dudes RTFT in DE and scooped up our maps!

Home >Forum >Special Interests >Amateurs >SW Stroll Maps.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?6639-SW-Stroll-Maps

For the "need to be spoon fed" types go to post 41 where I reposted the Overview Map and the individual stroll maps in North DE!

Also if one had read the freaking SW thread in Wilm section, they would have found these pictures showing the strolls. So what is it? Too hard to read, study & learn? Too hard to learn to be safe?

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=251921&d=1370013606

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=225326&d=1358598961

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=411729&d=1459056984

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=251915&d=1370012875

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=251914&d=1370012846

So why is it that there is any question about 'where are the strolls" or guys pointing other guys to discussions and not the resources? Huh? I have pounded the table on this for years, so much so that I am sure many were getting SICK of me posting to newbies. So a new set of eyes comes along and all is lost? I guess I could create a thread in the general section with a collection of the stroll maps, but perhaps someone else will pick up the baton? I learned so much from these threads. Just hope others might too. It is a great resource, but others need to RTFTs, get knowledgeable and pass that on to others. One guy can't do it all! So if you have learned something from being here, pay it back, share & help others! Everyone is a newbie at some point!

3. Then there was a recent newbie who inquired about rules of the road. In that case the newbie was appropriately directed to the threads on SWers.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules

Key part of that is that there are THREE posts there that would be helpful to read, reread, studied and INTERNALIZED. I found that one can go out on the stroll without doing so, but things happen so fast out there. When something is about to happen or is happening, it is not the time to try to remember-what was that rule? Things improved when I got them internalized. Oh well, at least that is what I did.

BUT, I'll add that SW rules aren't the only hobby rules one needs. Trying to apply SW rules to internet dating never worked for me; too many things left out. So to promote my own "book" I'd suggest sharing the rules thread as well!

Home >Forum >Special Interests >Rules for BackPage Mongering.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage

4. I have spent time with girls who have been reported to me as being dangerous or avoid for some reason by multiple others and never had issues. However, I set things up in such a way that I have control of the situation and apparently my experience has lead to a style that tells girls 'don't mess with me!' (That doesn't mean being crude, rude, angry or disrespectful.) A girl, who I know has ripped off other dudes, told me recently that she can tell I'm the type to not pull anything on. But that comes from THINKING and experience.

So to sum up this tome: help others out! Share your posts on techniques and staying safe, rather than just reporting on who was visited. This can be a great resource if everyone chips in and shares!

Good luck! Stay Safe!

[Cephlapod Love]

So final summary on things in the first half of 2019. Posting here so others can see what is possible if one learns and works at the hobby.

Dates: 80.

Different Girls: 31.

Source or where found: 14.5* were referrals, 10.5* were scoops, 6 from online posts.

One-offs: 4, 2-online, 1-scoop, 1 referral. So being selective has helped me cut down on one-offs. Repeating builds cred with girls.

* The 0. 5 designation was because I didn't know how to classify that girl. Originally dated her from an old Craigslist advert (so that shows how long ago). She became a regular over a few years- kind of off & on. But apparently she was locked up in Baylor for a while and I lost track of her and wrote her off as 'lost. ' Long story short, I was driving between appointments and drove down MDA. Saw this girl but thought it was another one plus she was walking with a dude, so I didn't stop. A couple of hours later here comes a text from her old number saying - "Hey! I saw you on MDA earlier today!" So what is a dude to do? A girl has been locked up for months with no sex and she wants to hang out with me? Nah, sounds like a bad idea as she could be so very horney! To quote Jason Kelsey. HELL YEAH! I hung out with her! So is that a street source or a referral? I dunno?

Good luck! Stay safe!

[Shampoo]

Speaking of x, any updates? I believe there was a hearing on 6/26.

Definitely pays to follow the rules.

[Shampoo]

As usual, crickets. I call 100% on these guys who were contacted by LE.


Speaking of x, any updates? I believe there was a hearing on 6/26.

Definitely pays to follow the rules.

[Cephlapod Love]

As usual, crickets. I call 100% on these guys who were contacted by LE.Eh, me thinks the wheels of justice grind slowly.

FIRST, have not seen (perhaps am blind?) any indication that the target was even arrested. The info that is out there is from an application for a search warrant. Since the website seizure was part of the warrant request, I think it is safe to assume that the warrants were granted and the searches & seizures conducted.

So what is the next step? Arrest and preliminary hearing or a Grand Jury indictment? Have seen some mention a Court hearing in later June, but haven't seen proof of that case.

SECOND, if any of the dudes that were contact have talked to counsel, I am sure they were advised to not talk about this any long including social media etc. So looking for those guys to comment seems like slim & none, with slim being out to lunch.

THIRD, and again a general heads up. Anyone who was a new client at WHFT after say September 12,2018 should be VERY concerned. 1) That is the date that a pole camera was set up to record the comings & goings of the room X used for dating. 2) X had a go-pro camera installed in the room and video taped the date. So from this LE has license plate numbers and videos of a gent dating a girl. Problem is that IF one is contacted by LE or Fed lawyers, you tell them you only got a massage and the tape better prove that! What got those Trump associates jammed up? Lying to Fed investigators. So while there may have been a hearing or something, I suspect any trial is months off. Unless X pleads to something there likely will be a trial. IF the Feds need to prove things then perhaps some dudes get jammed up to testify for the prosecution?

So anyone have access to the Case database and can share info on where this all stands? Anyone see anything in the MD or Elkton papers?

Anyone have access to this article? Can't even see the defendant's name!

https://www.cecildaily.com/news/local_news/man-gets-years-in-elkton-sex-trafficking-case/article_6528fc83-25be-5a89-a034-2aad41bfbc98.html

[CnjDevilish]

Eh, me thinks the wheels of justice grind slowly.

FIRST, have not seen (perhaps am blind?) any indication that the target was even arrested. The info that is out there is from an application for a search warrant. Since the website seizure was part of the warrant request, I think it is safe to assume that the warrants were granted and the searches & seizures conducted.

So what is the next step? Arrest and preliminary hearing or a Grand Jury indictment? Have seen some mention a Court hearing in later June, but haven't seen proof of that case.

SECOND, if any of the dudes that were contact have talked to counsel, I am sure they were advised to not talk about this any long including social media etc. So looking for those guys to comment seems like slim & none, with slim being out to lunch.

THIRD, and again a general heads up. Anyone who was a new client at WHFT after say September 12,2018 should be VERY concerned. 1) That is the date that a pole camera was set up to record the comings & goings of the room X used for dating. 2) X had a go-pro camera installed in the room and video taped the date. So from this LE has license plate numbers and videos of a gent dating a girl. Problem is that IF one is contacted by LE or Fed lawyers, you tell them you only got a massage and the tape better prove that! What got those Trump associates jammed up? Lying to Fed investigators. So while there may have been a hearing or something, I suspect any trial is months off. Unless X pleads to something there likely will be a trial. IF the Feds need to prove things then perhaps some dudes get jammed up to testify for the prosecution?

So anyone have access to the Case database and can share info on where this all stands? Anyone see anything in the MD or Elkton papers?

Anyone have access to this article? Can't even see the defendant's name!

https://www.cecildaily.com/news/local_news/man-gets-years-in-elkton-sex-trafficking-case/article_6528fc83-25be-5a89-a034-2aad41bfbc98.htmlBALTIMORE — A man who forced a 15-year-old girl to perform sex acts with clients at motels in Elkton and Newark, Del. , was sentenced to 25 years in federal prison Friday in a human trafficking case, according to the USA Attorney's Office.

USA District Judge James K. Bredar imposed the 25-year sentence on Steven M. Williams, 39, of Delaware, after he had pleaded guilty to sex trafficking of a child by force, fraud, and coercion, federal prosecutors reported.

The judge ordered Williams to serve 10 years of supervised probation after his prison release and to register as a convicted sex offender, which will allow police and residents to keep tabs on him.

Elkton Police Department detectives started their investigation leading to the arrests of Williams and his two accomplices on July 14,2017, after receiving a report that two men and a woman had forcibly removed a teenage girl from the Knights Inn at 262 Belle Hill Road in Elkton, near the Interstate 95 exchange, at about 2 am July 13, a day earlier, and drove away with her in the vehicle, police reported.

Last month, one of Williams' co-defendants — Harry Eugene Rivers Jr. , 29, of Delaware — was sentenced to 12 years in federal prison, after he had pleaded guilty to six trafficking. The judge ordered Rivers, whose nicknames include "Pots" and "Hakeem," to serve five years of supervised probation after his prison release.

The other co-defendant, Jessica L. "Tutti" Schaefer, 24, of Pennsylvania, is awaiting her June 6 sentencing after she pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of a child for her role in the human trafficking operation.

"Children cannot consent to have sex for money. Human traffickers such as Steven Williams compel their victims to work for little or no compensation, often using violence and threats to force their victims to engage in prostitution," USA Attorney Robert K. Hur commented in a written statement Friday after Williams' sentencing.

He added, "This lengthy sentence should send a powerful message that sex trafficking will not be tolerated in Maryland. Through the Maryland Human Trafficking Task Force, law enforcement is working with nonprofit organizations to help human trafficking victims and prosecute the traffickers. Working to end human trafficking is a priority for the Maryland USA Attorney's Office. ".

According to Williams' plea agreement, the teen, a Pennsylvania resident who lived with her father in Delaware, engaged in "commercial sex acts" with men in Delaware, along with Schaefer, who had posted ads of herself for prostitution purposes. Shaefer had met the teen at a Delaware motel, and they worked together as prostitutes, prosecutors noted.

Williams, whose nicknames include "Brother Ray," responded to one of those ads posted on Backpage.com and determined that Schaefer and the teenage girl, who had recently completed the eighth grade, would work for him, prosecutors reported.

Prosecutors said Williams provided Schaefer and the girl with crack cocaine, putting them in debt to him. The girl and Schaefer then engaged in commercial sex acts to pay off their debt to Williams, prosectors added.

"(The girl) and Schaefer gave any proceeds earned from performing commercial sex acts to Williams. To facilitate the commercial sex acts, Williams rented hotel rooms in his name or the names of men paying for the commercial sex acts, and Harry Rivers provided narcotics to the females and their customers and helped to arrange 'dates' for the females," federal prosecutors outlined.

[Shampoo]

They're considering pleas and extending the deadline to Aug 26.

[Rugerdm]

BALTIMORE A man who forced a 15-year-old girl to perform sex acts with clients at motels in Elkton and Newark, Del. , was sentenced to 25 years in federal prison Friday in a human trafficking case, according to the USA Attorney's Office.

USA District Judge James K. Bredar imposed the 25-year sentence on Steven M. Williams, 39, of Delaware, after he had pleaded guilty to sex trafficking of a child by force, fraud, and coercion, federal prosecutors reported.

The judge ordered Williams to serve 10 years of supervised probation after his prison release and to register as a convicted sex offender, which will allow police and residents to keep tabs on him.

Elkton Police Department detectives started their investigation leading to the arrests of Williams and his two accomplices on July 14,2017, after receiving a report that two men and a woman had forcibly removed a teenage girl from the Knights Inn at 262 Belle Hill Road in Elkton, near the Interstate 95 exchange, at about 2 am July 13, a day earlier, and drove away with her in the vehicle, police reported.

Last month, one of Williams' co-defendants Harry Eugene Rivers Jr. , 29, of Delaware was sentenced to 12 years in federal prison, after he had pleaded guilty to six trafficking. The judge ordered Rivers, whose nicknames include "Pots" and "Hakeem," to serve five years of supervised probation after his prison release.

The other co-defendant, Jessica L. "Tutti" Schaefer, 24, of Pennsylvania, is awaiting her June 6 sentencing after she pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of a child for her role in the human trafficking operation.

"Children cannot consent to have sex for money. Human traffickers such as Steven Williams compel their victims to work for little or no compensation, often using violence and threats to force their victims to engage in prostitution," USA Attorney Robert K. Hur commented in a written statement Friday after Williams' sentencing.

He added, "This lengthy sentence should send a powerful message that sex trafficking will not be tolerated in Maryland. Through the Maryland Human Trafficking Task Force, law enforcement is working with nonprofit organizations to help human trafficking victims and prosecute the traffickers. Working to end human trafficking is a priority for the Maryland USA Attorney's Office. ".

According to Williams' plea agreement, the teen, a Pennsylvania resident who lived with her father in Delaware, engaged in "commercial sex acts" with men in Delaware, along with Schaefer, who had posted ads of herself for prostitution purposes. Shaefer had met the teen at a Delaware motel, and they worked together as prostitutes, prosecutors noted.

Williams, whose nicknames include "Brother Ray," responded to one of those ads posted on Backpage.com and determined that Schaefer and the teenage girl, who had recently completed the eighth grade, would work for him, prosecutors reported.

Prosecutors said Williams provided Schaefer and the girl with crack cocaine, putting them in debt to him. The girl and Schaefer then engaged in commercial sex acts to pay off their debt to Williams, prosectors added.

"(The girl) and Schaefer gave any proceeds earned from performing commercial sex acts to Williams. To facilitate the commercial sex acts, Williams rented hotel rooms in his name or the names of men paying for the commercial sex acts, and Harry Rivers provided narcotics to the females and their customers and helped to arrange 'dates' for the females," federal prosecutors outlined.I don't thinkt his is the WHFT group. The name doesn't match. WHFT guys name starts with an X.

Ruger.

[Cephlapod Love]

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WHFT Time Line provided as a "Paul Harvey - The Rest of The Story" service.
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March 12,2019: FBI rec'd arrest warrant.
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March 14,2019: X arrested.
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March 15,2019.
- Arrest Warrant filed.
- Unsealed documents Application for Warrants, etc.
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March 15,2019: X appeared before Fed Magistrate.
- Released on own recognizance.
- 24/7 confinement at home.
- Released to custody of? Sister?
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March 18,2019: Notice of Appearance (attorney for Defense): MICHAEL ZZZZZZZZZZ, #8888888 Assistant Federal Public Defender.
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April 23,2019: Modification of Order of Release.
- own recognizance
- to custody of Rita ZZZZZZZZZ, fwiw Debra ZZZZ QQQQQQQQQ is his Mom
- travel restricted to MD
- no contact with victims or witnesses, including Ms ZZZZZZZZZZZZ (???? Under-aged Victim #1????)
- curfew 8 P to 7 A
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April 24,2019: MEMORANDUM TO COUNSEL (from Judge presiding over the case)
- Arraignment has taken place motions due:
- by May 14
- Conf call May 23 445 PM
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June 26,2019: 60-day delay - Parties requested a delay so that plea negotiations could take place. This puts a hold on "the clock" that is established - i.e. "right to a speedy trial".
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June 26,2019: Order Granting Extension of Time.
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July 1, 2019: Motion to Modify Release Conditions - Note: motion Denied, however, see order below.
- Appeared with one charge March 15,2019
- Released on 24/7 home confinement
- Prohibited from internet
- April 23 modified release. Removed curfew

Requesting of the Court Note Fed Attys and Fed "system" (pre-Trial) were opposed
- "access to smart phone would allow him (Ed Note: meaning X) to obtain employment with Uber or Lyft as a driver during the evenings" this is what the request stated!
- Internet Access. Allow X to take online courses on Real Estate & regain his real estate license.
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July 1, 2019: Order Modify Release no more curfew, allowed to access internet.
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Note: I was allowed to observed this information. Apparently there is a database one can pay to access and it shows some of the documents related to a case. I did not sign up for access to this database and only observed some documents. So there could be some holes, omissions or errors. I make no claims on the accuracy or completeness of the above. errors could be from my poor note taking or poor eyesight. Names have been redacted per forum policy.

[GoodLagerBeer]

Just to add to Ceph's #3 a few posts back, it is generally illegal to video-tape without consent in areas where you expect reasonable privacy in most states. Not sure how MD laws apply to this but I believe they also keep our privacy safe. The outside pole camera is fair game. Recordings inside the rooms may be used against X (at the very minimum, they could be used to add further charges). I'm not a lawyer, but I'd expect using them against witnesses would not be allowed as they were illegally obtained. Any thoughts or further insight?

[Cephlapod Love]

Just to add to Ceph's #3 a few posts back, it is generally illegal to video-tape without consent in areas where you expect reasonable privacy in most states. Not sure how MD laws apply to this but I believe they also keep our privacy safe. The outside pole camera is fair game. Recordings inside the rooms may be used against X (at the very minimum, they could be used to add further charges). I'm not a lawyer, but I'd expect using them against witnesses would not be allowed as they were illegally obtained. Any thoughts or further insight?Good observation as to wandering into territory that is going to require a lawyer. I agree.

Wiki "Exclusionary Rule" has some interesting background, loopholes and wiggle room https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusionary_rule.

Saw something in another article, along the lines that material will not be admissible in court unless it was created in the course of a criminal act or to further a criminal enterprise.

Also, aren't the rules of evidence in a civil matter (perhaps Family Court?) substantially different and such material therefore admissible?

Finally I believe the charges X is facing are in Federal Court. Has anyone seen MD take any interest or get involved with ancillary charges? I note that local LE was investigating X's operation what 5 years ago, but stopped due to a lack of resources.

So the question is how far Federal Prosecutors could go to build a case and "encourage" witnesses? If this issue is in a grey area, then they could decide to proceed against dudes and it would be up to opposing counsel to have a judge rule on admissibility. Then again, if it is clearly "out of bounds" then worries could be set aside? (just thinking on both sides of the coin.).

A concern is. Lying to LE or Federal Prosecutors. (Why would you be talking without counsel?) If there is a tape of a dude having sex with a girl and the dude tells LE all he did was get a massage. Seems like even in situations where there is no real underlying crime, the "process" crimes is what stubs toes.

Hopefully we will know by the August deadline that a plea deal has been reached. Not sure if the PD budget could handle the cost of a trial in the face of this much evidence? Could a plea deal include cooperation as a witness?

Another thing I noted was that I only saw one charge mentioned (using interstate facilities to promote a business enterprise involving prostitution offenses, 18 USC 1952 (a)(3)), so not sure if there were others? There were probably 4 other sections cited in the Affidavit / warrant application.

[Cephlapod Love]

OK, was looking around and a "similar" situation caught my eye. The Robert Kraft AMP situation.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/29/robert-kraft-solicitation-prostitution-suppress-video-evidence-legal-analysis

Similar situation as it were for the background. Each video'ed monger could be in Kraft's shoes. A difference is that LE installed the cameras in "sneak and peak" situation. X however installed that camera and the footage legally obtained with warrants.

Then there is the privacy issue which looks like it boils down to "reasonable expectation of privacy?" I saw stuff that suggests if you rent a hotel room and the innkeepr has hidden cams and records you, that would be actionable, since you had a reasonable expectation of privacy. However in this situation, a dude went into a room rented by another person, for a "business purpose" (massage, etc.). So is there a reasonable expectation of privacy?

Rules relating to the doctrine of expectation of privacy do not operate within a vacuum. Reasonable expectations of reasonable people, factors including location, nature of the objects or data and many other factors must be considered. As such, whether a reasonable expectation of privacy exists is a matter that is determined on a case by case basis, and is fact-specific.

https://lawshelf.com/videos/entry/reasonable-expectation-of-privacy

[Cephlapod Love]

Is this one gone? Forgotten? Virginia Residential Real Estate?

[Cephlapod Love]

Do I look stupid? (Must be something?).

Found this girl online and started conversations. Turns out she is staying in the Eastern on 40 in Elkton! Sigh. Last time I was nearby, there were plenty of people hanging around, leaning on the rails, etc. Saw dudes, probably mongers, coming and going and other dudes who looked like "security" popping into rooms that the first dudes left. Looked like what I have seen at that motel in New Castle, the one the State took over. So my spidey senses suggested that this probably wasn't the best places to visit. Then again, I'm overly cautious or some might say chicken.

So I figure perhaps I could scoop her up and wander down the street to another establishment. So I asked if outcall was possible. Her reply was if I provided a cab or send a driver. LOL. OK. So I suggested perhaps I could pick her up and she said:

You would have to provide a license so my security knows where i am and pre pay in case you decide to leave me some where lol

Shaking my head! How many rules does that break? Sigh.

But hey, that tells you some key things- she does have security, so what I observed at the motel is likely true and the whole thing a possible set up. So IMHO this is an additional risk factor for others to evaluate!

[Cephlapod Love]

Another reason why it is not a good idea to allow the girl you scoop to choose a spot for your date!

https://spankbang.com/2dogv/video/you+re+fucked+on+candid+camera.

https://spankbang.com/2m536/video/street+*****+2.

Notice how this girl looks directly at the camera from time to time. Might be staged, but with so many dudes, seems less likely.

Girl is meticulous, same thing every time:

Cleans the dudes junk with wet wipe, puts on party hat, cleans party hat, head, standing mish, then variations of doggie, mish, etc. Before grabbing junk with wet wipe, pulling off hat, cleaning junk.

She just needs to add waving to the camera when dude goes to get back in!

[Cephlapod Love]

OK, a few thoughts.

1. There are a lot of new or low number members around these days. I can't help but think that a fair number of them are dudes who saw the WHFT affidavit and rightly dumped their monger phones and dumped their accounts here, so they could start over. So might be that some of the newbies aren't so much.

2. That said, the girls tell me they are starting to get a lot of calls from 20-somethings. Hey, this is inevitable as life marches on. However, the good girls (desirable ones) aren't interested in the sh*t and disrespect that many of these dudes bring. Yeah, you are f*cking a wh*re, but that makes you a wh*remonger! So no reason to disrespect the girls or look down on them. In fact, if you treat them as you would want a dude to treat your sister on a date you'll get a better experience. This approach has always worked for me over the years and might be one reason I can keep prices low.

3. For those truly new to mongering I can't stress enough the need to take it slow and LEARN! While mongering may look easy, safe long-term mongering is far from easy. Treat this like anything else new you do and be patient in the learning process. Seems kike 20 something have no respect for history or the past! Sigh. There is a WEALTH of info on these threads, so reading back a year or two can be instructive and helpful. Yeah, it takes time! But what new thing doesn't take some time to learn? You can take short cuts if you wish, just don't be surprised if you have more than a few "experiential learning" situations! Problem is some might be dangerous, others financial hits and some might even get you jammed up! I will say, the other day I did see a monger suggest to a newbie that they should read the entire board, because that had helped them in the hobby! Kudos! Someone got it!

4. Prices! I think we all know the prices out there. There have been many reports of what are "street rates" etc. Since we know the boards are monitored periodically, I might not be so quick as to ask publicly about damages. Maybe I'm being paranoid? In the past would not have given that advice.

5. Why couldn't youse guys let me die with pappasmurf? Do I have to spell out my recent absence? If you are aware of what has transpired in the hobby in 2019, as noted in #1 above, one should be able to make the leap?

6. I see a couple of dudes have taken the lull in this thread as permission to post pictures and no text / indo! When I get private off site emails from girls complaining about their picture being posted, then it has gone too far! Come on guys we can do better!

7. One thing I did note from the WHFT ordeal was that dudes were using sign-in / screen names that contained their real name! Same with monger email addresses! Sigh. When LE saw a poster name of Albert567, it wasn't too hard to match that up with the dude they found from a license plate search. Albert Smith (made up name)! So jeez!

8. There is a lot of lively discussion on the boards and seems to be lots of sharing. So kudos! Glad to see others picking up the ball and running with it in my absence!

Now to paraphrase an others tag line (my apologies for stealing it!) - down scope!

[TheWeatherMan]

OK, a few thoughts.

1. There are a lot of new or low number members around these days. I can't help but think that a fair number of them are dudes who saw the WHFT affidavit and rightly dumped their monger phones and dumped their accounts here, so they could start over. So might be that some of the newbies aren't so much.

2. That said, the girls tell me they are starting to get a lot of calls from 20-somethings. Hey, this is inevitable as life marches on. However, the good girls (desirable ones) aren't interested in the sh*t and disrespect that many of these dudes bring. Yeah, you are f*cking a wh*re, but that makes you a wh*remonger! So no reason to disrespect the girls or look down on them. In fact, if you treat them as you would want a dude to treat your sister on a date you'll get a better experience. This approach has always worked for me over the years and might be one reason I can keep prices low.

3. For those truly new to mongering I can't stress enough the need to take it slow and learn! While mongering may look easy, safe long-term mongering is far from easy. Treat this like anything else new you do and be patient in the learning process. Seems kike 20 something have no respect for history or the past! Sigh. There is a WEALTH of info on these threads, so reading back a year or two can be instructive and helpful. Yeah, it takes time! But what new thing doesn't take some time to learn? You can take short cuts if you wish, just don't be surprised if you have more than a few "experiential learning" situations! Problem is some might be dangerous, others financial hits and some might even get you jammed up! I will say, the other day I did see a monger suggest to a newbie that they should read the entire board, because that had helped them in the hobby! Kudos! Someone got it!

4. Prices! I think we all know the prices out there.Just my personal opinion I think mongering is pretty easy, especially street walkers I literally just drive down Lancaster make eye contact, discreetly pull over, never have them talk through the window just have them get in and that's really all there is to it, I don't go through a 30 rule checklist but hey that's me. Only tough part of mongering is the shady motels where you never know who is lurking. At least on the streets you know its just you and the girl.

[GioBeYourBody]

5. Why couldn't youse guys let me die with pappasmurf? Do I have to spell out my recent absence? If you are aware of what has transpired in the hobby in 2019, as noted in #1 above, one should be able to make the leap?!I gave you the best "out" imaginable, but the fellas weren't having it.

[Waahoo]

I gave you the best "out" imaginable, but the fellas weren't having it.Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

[Cephlapod Love]

So the girl first. There is a new girl on uLA who's name is. Wait for it. Ashley! NO! Not always preggers Ashley! This one is half Hispanic, a bit rotund (small BBW) and has some red / pink streaks in her hair. Anyway, I have been warned about her by my required 3 separate girls and thus this one is on the NO FLY LIST! Seems that in group therapy some people say things they ought to keep their moth shut about. Why would anyone talk about owning Residential Real Estate in Virginia? But the discussion was had and many ears heard it. So hey I guess there is some dude who will think I am trying to stop them from seeing the girl and am thus stating the no fly list as a method to keep her all to myself. But hey! Some have to learn 'life long' lessons the hard way!

Next, a Monger! I see a dude had a bad experience with a girl involving bodily fluids from the end of the GI track. Hey, "interesting" things happen to all of us from time to time. But what is the point in creating a nickname for this girl based on that event and using it constantly? First the nickname is just juvenile but it's constant use is just plain degrading to the girl! I wonder if this is an indication of either the maturity level of the monger or his view of the girls he is dating? Then others have jumped in and used the term / nickname too? Seriously? Look, if you have a bad experience with a girl, big deal, it happens! But if you need to pump yourself up by degrading a girl, or think name calling is fun / funny, then shame on you! Some of my success in the hobby comes from the fact that I treat all girls with respect. Believe me the girls figure that out and avoid the disrespectful guys and are willing to be more accommodating to the respectful ones. But hey, everyone is free to come on a public forum and demonstrate their true colors.

Finally I see a monger claiming mongering is easy and no need to follow any silly rules! LOL! Sure looks like an arrogant attitude or a fair amount of hubris? As one with a fair amount of both, I believe I am qualified to comment here. Let me just say this, I have had more than a few "interesting" and dangerous experiences. Most if not all of those experiences happened when 1) I thought I knew everything or 2) I just plain flat out ignored the rules or one aspect of them. Can a monger wing it and be fine? Yeah sure, er at least until the streets, a girl or LE catches up with them! Like I have pounded the table over the years, read the rules, reread the rules and read them again until they are ingrained in your mind and the way you practice the hobby. But hey, been around long enough to see that everyone perceives and handles risk differently. I still say, mongering looks easy, but consistently safe mongering is anything but easy!.

For any newbies reading this here are the "rules" in three posts (read all three), for SW mongering:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules

For online dating, this short thread is a good guide:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage

As always, if one has questions about style or techniques in the hobby, the boards are a great place to ask! Gents are usually willing to share 'how to' information. Much more so than the number of their favorite girl. So if in doubt -ASK! Easier & quicker way to get an education, rather than paying "tuition" in the school of hard knocks!

Be safe, be cool, be respectful!

[PPJones]

So the girl first. There is a new girl on uLA who's name is. Wait for it. Ashley! NO! Not always preggers Ashley! This one is half Hispanic, a bit rotund (small BBW) and has some red / pink streaks in her hair. Anyway, I have been warned about her by my required 3 separate girls and thus this one is on the NO FLY LIST! Seems that in group therapy some people say things they ought to keep their moth shut about. Why would anyone talk about owning Residential Real Estate in Virginia? But the discussion was had and many ears heard it. So hey I guess there is some dude who will think I am trying to stop them from seeing the girl and am thus stating the no fly list as a method to keep her all to myself. But hey! Some have to learn 'life long' lessons the hard way!

Next, a Monger! I see a dude had a bad experience with a girl involving bodily fluids from the end of the GI track. Hey, "interesting" things happen to all of us from time to time. But what is the point in creating a nickname for this girl based on that event and using it constantly? First the nickname is just juvenile but it's constant use is just plain degrading to the girl! I wonder if this is an indication of either the maturity level of the monger or his view of the girls he is dating? Then others have jumped in and used the term / nickname too? Seriously? Look, if you have a bad experience with a girl, big deal, it happens! But if you need to pump yourself up by degrading a girl, or think name calling is fun / funny, then shame on you! Some of my success in the hobby comes from the fact that I treat all girls with respect. Believe me the girls figure that out and avoid the disrespectful guys and are willing to be more accommodating to the respectful ones. But hey, everyone is free to come on a public forum and demonstrate their true colors.

Finally I see a monger claiming mongering is easy and no need to follow any silly rules! LOL! Sure looks like an arrogant attitude or a fair amount of hubris? As one with a fair amount of both, I believe I am qualified to comment here. Let me just say this, I have had more than a few "interesting" and dangerous experiences. Most if not all of those experiences happened when 1) I thought I knew everything or 2) I just plain flat out ignored the rules or one aspect of them. Can a monger wing it and be fine? Yeah sure, er at least until the streets, a girl or LE catches up with them! Like I have pounded the table over the years, read the rules, reread the rules and read them again until they are ingrained in your mind and the way you practice the hobby. But hey, been around long enough to see that everyone perceives and handles risk differently. I still say, mongering looks easy, but consistently safe mongering is anything but easy!.

For any newbies reading this here are the "rules" in three posts (read all three), for SW mongering:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules

For online dating, this short thread is a good guide:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage

As always, if one has questions about style or techniques in the hobby, the boards are a great place to ask! Gents are usually willing to share 'how to' information. Much more so than the number of their favorite girl. So if in doubt -ASK! Easier & quicker way to get an education, rather than paying "tuition" in the school of hard knocks!

Be safe, be cool, be respectful!As always, great words. Thank you, and thank you for all that you do, Sir! Just know that not ALL of the wisdom is getting lost. There are still those who will ALWAYS be willing to learn, and these forums and it's members are a great resource.

[PinHead11]

As always, great words. Thank you, and thank you for all that you do, Sir! Just know that not ALL of the wisdom is getting lost. There are still those who will ALWAYS be willing to learn, and these forums and it's members are a great resource.+1.

My latest take away is I ALWAYS have a "thank you but no thank you" amount ready if she is looks or acts different from her ad. I apologize that I'm interested in someone else and give that to them. That has always got me a "thank you" and "if you change your mind I'm here if you want to see me".

PH.

[Strange]

So the girl first. There is a new girl on uLA who's name is. Wait for it. Ashley! NO! Not always preggers Ashley! This one is half Hispanic, a bit rotund (small BBW) and has some red / pink streaks in her hair. Anyway, I have been warned about her by my required 3 separate girls and thus this one is on the NO FLY LIST! Seems that in group therapy some people say things they ought to keep their moth shut about. Why would anyone talk about owning Residential Real Estate in Virginia? But the discussion was had and many ears heard it. So hey I guess there is some dude who will think I am trying to stop them from seeing the girl and am thus stating the no fly list as a method to keep her all to myself. But hey! Some have to learn 'life long' lessons the hard way! Is Ashley just a little thick or actually a bbw? There has been a little bit thick Latino girl around ULA lately with a pretty face and magenta dyed hair. No pink that I've seen. She also has a darker skin tone like she's full Latino not half. I've avoided her because of this report. Just wondering if it's the same girl. I feel like if asked her name she would just lie if she knew people were avoiding Ashley.

[Seeker5901]

Forgive my being dense, what the heck is owning residential real estate in Virginia?

[Shampoo]

Forgive my being dense, what the heck is owning residential real estate in Virginia?Thank you--I thought it was just me! That one has me puzzled!

[RickAnon1973]

Forgive my being dense, what the heck is owning residential real estate in Virginia?*H*ouse *I*and *V*irginia.

[Rodger Wood]

*H*ouse *I*and *V*irginia.Thanks, I've read that part 6 times trying to figure it out.

[Cephlapod Love]

So the most recent event is a motion to exclude the time from March to November 26 from the "speedy trial" clock time. Apparently defendant has the right to a trial within 70-days of arraignment or something. So now plea negotiations are underway. A plea has been submitted to the defendant (Xavier) and is under consideration. So dude, when you want to head to Club Fed? Before T-day? After Christmas?

Hopefully this means no trial and this whole event is over and records get archived. I suspect many are still holding their breath?

Anyway, in the mean time there was a review of the evidence collected. Posted to the fed court record was inventories of items seized on execution of search warrants. One inventory is of particular interest to this writer and is posted here because it might be of public interest.

Now I am pretty sure saw video on the WHFT website at one point that suggested this and saw info in the Affidavit filed in support of the search warrants that stated X had sex with girls he was hiring.

[ThriveToLife]

So the most recent event is a motion to exclude the time from March to November 26 from the "speedy trial" clock time. Apparently defendant has the right to a trial within 70-days of arraignment or something. So now plea negotiations are underway. A plea has been submitted to the defendant (Xavier) and is under consideration. So dude, when you want to head to Club Fed? Before T-day? After Christmas?

Hopefully this means no trial and this whole event is over and records get archived. I suspect many are still holding their breath?

Anyway, in the mean time there was a review of the evidence collected. Posted to the fed court record was inventories of items seized on execution of search warrants. One inventory is of particular interest to this writer and is posted here because it might be of public interest.

Now I am pretty sure saw video on the WHFT website at one point that suggested this and saw info in the Affidavit filed in support of the search warrants that stated X had sex with girls he was hiring.Thanks for sharing. I am so lucky that I did not partake in any of those activities. I highly suggest my brethren who may have used these services to check out the attachment included in Ceph's post. Specifically, the last thing noted at the end of item #1. Whew for me. Be safe all.

[Cephlapod Love]

Shaking my head on this one.

Dude posts on other states threads that he is looking for an ex-WHFT girl. He is given advice there from more that one as to let sleeping dogs lie. One helpful poster points the dude in the direction of the WHFT thread in DE, where I would think most would read, at least, the recent posts and be given pause. Yet the dude goes ahead and posts there STILL looking for the girl? Shaking my head.

Just a dumb question: Why would anyone want to find ex-X girls? Seems pretty clear from the court docs I saw posted here, that there are any number of ex-X girls on the prosecution witness list and which LE is still in contact with. I also noted that the way LE "found out" X had broken his bail conditions by contacting his ex-girls and soliciting them, was by reading these threads. So, it is probably just my natural paranoia, but that doesn't seem like anything I'd want to wave a red flag at!

There are plenty of other waters one can fish in as the threads will atest, so why are dudes taking the risk of playing in those water? I guess many from outside DE don't perceive the "nature" of this place, its interconnections, etc. ?

So are those who want to play that game just ignorant (uneducated, unaware) of the happenings or are they full of hubris, it will never happen to me?

Since the dude was a WHFT client I wonder if he is aware the FBI has a video of his naked azz with the girl?

There is info around on how to stay safe and many posters are willing to share their experience and techniques. Just ask! A successful player is always learning! Should be no excuse for ignorance. I am just saying.

Be smart, stay safe amigos!

[Graham111]

Maybe he was the only one who boinked her?? True love has a place in the heart!!


Shaking my head on this one.

Dude posts on other states threads that he is looking for an ex-WHFT girl. He is given advice there from more that one as to let sleeping dogs lie. One helpful poster points the dude in the direction of the WHFT thread in DE, where I would think most would read, at least, the recent posts and be given pause. Yet the dude goes ahead and posts there STILL looking for the girl? Shaking my head.

Just a dumb question: Why would anyone want to find ex-X girls? Seems pretty clear from the court docs I saw posted here, that there are any number of ex-X girls on the prosecution witness list and which LE is still in contact with. I also noted that the way LE "found out" X had broken his bail conditions by contacting his ex-girls and soliciting them, was by reading these threads. So, it is probably just my natural paranoia, but that doesn't seem like anything I'd want to wave a red flag at!

There are plenty of other waters one can fish in as the threads will atest, so why are dudes taking the risk of playing in those water? I guess many from outside DE don't perceive the "nature" of this place, its interconnections, etc. ?

So are those who want to play that game just ignorant (uneducated, unaware) of the happenings or are they full of hubris, it will never happen to me?

Since the dude was a WHFT client I wonder if he is aware the FBI has a video of his naked azz with the girl?

There is info around on how to stay safe and many posters are willing to share their experience and techniques. Just ask! A successful player is always learning! Should be no excuse for ignorance. I am just saying.

Be smart, stay safe amigos!

[Cephlapod Love]

So the trial of X is set to commence on April 13th, two days before Tax day! So who is planning on attending?

I guess if there is enough interest we could rent a party bus and go down and see the proceedings. Not sure it would be a good idea to bring a bunch of ladies along on the Party Bus, but it is a thought! Central meet up, will be conveniently located just off the expressway at the Days Inn on Belle Hill Road.

A memorial with drinks & refreshments will be served afterwards at the Days Inn, Room 209! Not sure how many girls plan to attend the Memorial, but I am sure We will Have a Fun Time!

Party goers are requested to park in front of the room, exit their vehicle, turn and wave to the pole cam and then proceed to the room! Oh and party proceedings will be video taped using GoPro cams, strategically located in the room.

I know for many it will be a sigh of relief and others a chance to mourn their loss. We could book adjacent rooms for those who need to get away from the proceedings for a bit or those who forget to bring a designated driver.

Entry to the party will be free, just need to verify you, so send a picture of you and you ID and one of just your ID to the party line to get confirmation and a slot in this party.

So who is in?

[Strange]

So the trial of X is set to commence on April 13th, two days before Tax day! So who is planning on attending?

I guess if there is enough interest we could rent a party bus and go down and see the proceedings. Not sure it would be a good idea to bring a bunch of ladies along on the Party Bus, but it is a thought! Central meet up, will be conveniently located just off the expressway at the Days Inn on Belle Hill Road.

A memorial with drinks & refreshments will be served afterwards at the Days Inn, Room 209! Not sure how many girls plan to attend the Memorial, but I am sure We will Have a Fun Time!

Party goers are requested to park in front of the room, exit their vehicle, turn and wave to the pole cam and then proceed to the room! Oh and party proceedings will be video taped using GoPro cams, strategically located in the room.

I know for many it will be a sigh of relief and others a chance to mourn their loss. We could book adjacent rooms for those who need to get away from the proceedings for a bit or those who forget to bring a designated driver.

Entry to the party will be free, just need to verify you, so send a picture of you and you ID and one of just your ID to the party line to get confirmation and a slot in this party.

So who is in?Will there be commemorative silver bracelets awarded upon arrival?

[Cephlapod Love]

I see there are quite a few screen names with low post counts engaging the conversation these days. Hey, that is great! Either we have some new blood or these are new IDs created as a result of the WHFT fiasco. Hey new blood is great and new perspectives are always needed and welcome.

Now that said, I see some "interesting" trends in the way many post here. Perhaps I won't state this well, but here goes a try. Seems like, like azzh*les, everyone has an OPINION and thinks it valid to share that opinion. OK, I get that. But when one is just plain wrong or ignores the history of the threads when posting that opinion then Hmmmm.

Not to pick on anyone poster but an example comes from a recent post where a dude posted a picture of a girl and asked for information on her. Apparently the dude had a picture with two girls in it and cropped out one girl and asked about the other, the girl on the right of the picture. That probably was a mistake, poster should have posted the pic of both girls and asked who was the girl on the right AND identiy the girl on the left. But some monger comes along and states with conviction that the girl's name was ABC when in fact that was not true: the girl who was cropped out of the picture was ABC. OK, so the dude had wishful thinking and was excited: been there & done that! No worries. But what I found "interesting" was that this started a huge debate with many wrong "opinions" being posted and it wasn't until three or more dudes confirmed facts that the debate ended. Oh and in the middle of it, a few thought it was a good idea to take shots at others. So for a while we had the blind leading the blind. But hey, I guess if one is of the internet culture then this is the way they chose to live their lives and think. History has no value and all posters are scammers until proven otherwise in real time? Ignoring history or ignoring experience can be detrimental to one's safety. I'd caution others to think deeper, use history and understand that some of the LT posters are here to be helpful, they don't need to post, but do so to help others. So if you want to discount what someone says based on style, that is your prerogative. Boards would be much more useful if 'exercises in futility' were kept to a minimum, ego was checked and personal attacks eliminated.

Then I see a trend toward posting an opinion or what one "could do" which is theoretical in nature and something which the poster has no direct knowledge of or experience with. OK, new ideas are good and help dudes adapt as needed. But are these posts from a place of being helpful or seeing one's post in print? Are we seeking admiration and accolades from others? Are we getting some satisfaction from challenging others or taking counter-points from them? I have always said, this is only wh*rem*ngering! As such who cares if one gets accolades from some anon mongers on a MB? Nothing you can add to your resume, share with your friends or hold up in the town square. Maybe there are many who love this kind of "Survivor" mentality and take credence with those who counter punch the most? Hey that is anyone's choice to believe and act that way. I think it leads to the blind leading the blind, which in my experience is poor risk management approach.

Then I see dudes setting up strawmen only to turn around and knock them down. Again, what is the purpose in doing that? How does that advance the discussion? More self engrandization? More Survivor mentality?

These boards can be what you make of them.

My advice, based on my experience over many years and many learning experiences is to use the history and advice here to learn and develop some skills. Any hobby has a learning curve. Many experienced dudes who have gone before you have left bread crumbs and good advice. There are risks in this hobby and how one chooses to manage that risk is a choice one makes or ignores. Have seen too many become statistics because of ignorance (lack of knowledge) when indeed the knowledge was right on this site for them to learn.

So a few thoughts on the trends I see here. Hope this trend doesn't continue as constant engagement on this level is of little interest.

Good luck & stay safe Amigos!

[Cephlapod Love]

Gents wake up! You can not talk about STDs on this site but in few select threads and you are specifically prohibited from posting that any girl is has an STD " in the forum unless substantiated by links to internet-accessible public records. ".

For those who missed it, a few years ago there was a law passed called HIPPA. One of the things this law does is protect you from having your medical records released to anyone unless you give specific authorization.

But because there is no discussion of STDs on the information threads, should in no way lead gents to let their guards down on the subject.

Good luck to all and stay safe!

The rest on my thoughts are here:

Post #1125.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4227-Safe-Sex-Information-and-Advice&p=4651432&viewfull=1#post4651432.

[DDP9999]

Well someone was rough on her and freaked her out.

She is having 2nd thoughts about seeing people form this group.

If you like it rough cool but don't assume she does.

I don't know what happened, I just know what she told me.

I don't have both sides, but I would like to know.

PM me, she is not into the rough stuff, the others have been gentleman so this is not to everyone and like I said I don't know what happened and or what was said. **.

[DDP9999]

Well people are sharing info that was given to you in PM's.

To me a PM message is between you and that person not to be shared with others unless told you can do that.

I would never share info I got about someone (girl) with that girl, it is not an ad so it is public knowledge, it is for your info only.

Plus someone told her I shared her info publicly not sure why because it was only given out in PM's.

PM. Private messages to be kept private, and not to be shared with anyone, if you want to share it ask before you do it.

My 2 cents.


Well someone was rough on her and freaked her out.

She is having 2nd thoughts about seeing people form this group.

If you like it rough cool but don't assume she does.

I don't know what happened, I just know what she told me.

I don't have both sides, but I would like to know.

PM me, she is not into the rough stuff, the others have been gentleman so this is not to everyone and like I said I don't know what happened and or what was said. **.

[Shampoo55]

moved this convo here since this is the closest thing I could find to a fight thread on this site and as to not cross any lines with the mods. Hope the thread Mod doesn't object and delte the post?


Shew, the wrath of Shampoo. Yes, I have found many sites. Most girls have not. There is no new blood, just the same old same olds posting on them. I think we can all agree it has slowed things down and its rough out there. I was just making a very general comment. Sorry it offended you so my friend. I'll buy you an Asian Massage so you can get some of your pent up anger out. 😄.I respectfully disagree. There is lots of "new" pussy to be found and since things opened up, things have picked up.

That list has hundreds of girls on it in all price ranges, not just the same girls. Oh sure there are a few sites that are consolidators or re-posters, but if one looks around there are many girls that are real that are available. Shoot, every time I do DD I find one of those sites and often do a little look around on the site. I set aside a girl who looks interesting and as a result have tens of possibilities on my 'list' as POTs.

I guess if one has to conclude there is no new blood, that they have not cast a very wide net or are fishing in the same fishing hole. Be like the Marines, adapt, improvise and overcome!

* When the sites were slow because of lock downs, the streets were bustling. (adapt) I keep seeing reports of "new" girls on the strolls all of the time.

* I see a few DE mongers on the Philly boards and I too include that in my search area. (adjust) Shoot the airport is a short drive up 95. No need to go to NE Philly, plenty in SW Philly or the burbs between here and there (upto and including West Chester).

* Or one can go upscale and try some of the pricier sites: eros, tryst as the "same girls" aren't there as on CXG! (crazy but do-able).

* Oh and if one wants new girls there are always the SB sites, but hey that takes some effort. (adapt).

* Then of course I have a stable of regulars I can go to AND who often can find me a new girl on demand. (improvise).

* If you want truly "new" and unreviewed go hit the GPB stroll! (adjust).

* Oh and from time to time there is a creative monger that reports success picking up Single Moms in Wally World or Wawa or where ever (improvise).

So from my view I can find many more girls that I could ever date and I am baffled by so many guys bemoaning the loss of CXG!

So I didn't get up on the wrong side of the bed. Got to wonder what is one's criteria such that they see the glass half empty?

If you want help why not state what are your search criteria? Size, shape, color, attributes. Where are you looking is it a narrow area? What is your price range?

Sorry for not agreeing and not being all Kumbyah, just many dudes in the same boat. Can't find anyone because the one site they used is down. What is the real issue here?

This site is about helping others find girls. I have done that by pointing out resources. If one wants specific type of girl then state what you are looking for and perhaps another will share?

[PathFinder24]

With all these folks bemoaning the loss of CXG, you'd think this never happened before. Just a simple google or Duck Duck Go search (OR reading the threads) would find plenty.

My Favorite trick though since craigslist days is I take a screenshot of potentials. Sometimes I wouldn't get a message back for a day or so and with the ads being gone, I could go back and see what it said. I do the same now with CXG, STG, etc. I don't do very many escorts, but the potential is there if I want and you'd be surprised how many times I have hooked up a few days after they have posted, or even weeks later even. If it is a dry day out on the stroll, I don't have to spend a half hour looking through the sites, I just pull up my screenshots and have already weeded out all the BS on those sites and have the ones I want to see picked out. Just my 2 cents, but has been successful for me.

Stay Safe,

PathFinder.

[RobertBlida]

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[PPJones]

With all these folks bemoaning the loss of CXG, you'd think this never happened before. Just a simple google or Duck Duck Go search (OR reading the threads) would find plenty.

My Favorite trick though since craigslist days is I take a screenshot of potentials. Sometimes I wouldn't get a message back for a day or so and with the ads being gone, I could go back and see what it said. I do the same now with CXG, STG, etc. I don't do very many escorts, but the potential is there if I want and you'd be surprised how many times I have hooked up a few days after they have posted, or even weeks later even. If it is a dry day out on the stroll, I don't have to spend a half hour looking through the sites, I just pull up my screenshots and have already weeded out all the BS on those sites and have the ones I want to see picked out. Just my 2 cents, but has been successful for me.

Stay Safe,

PathFinder.Sounds like a good system. That I SHOULD implement. But. We shall see 🤔128580;. I too have been contacted later, only to go back and check the ad to shed some light on who it may be and find it down.

[Cephlapod Love]

Come on guys! Help each other out! I've always said that Mongering looks easy, but consistently safe mongering is anything but easy. So be patient, learn and ask for help. Many knowledgeable posters (bareinbear) can help out. So use it when you can and offer a hand to others.

Be safe and be cool.

down periscope

[LuvARub88]

Come on guys! Help each other out! I've always said that Mongering looks easy, but consistently safe mongering is anything but easy. So be patient, learn and ask for help. Many knowledgeable posters (bareinbear) can help out. So use it when you can and offer a hand to others.

Be safe and be cool.

down periscopeI'm more AMP than Escort. But the recent development of "the Cool kids club " has gotten old before it started. Everybody has a first day on the job. If the question sounds fishy. Just take a big drink out of your cup of STFU. But ganging up on a newbie letting him to RTFF. And go search and report back. Duh Beavis. That's why his asking questions. If you're not going to help in open forum. Then help in PM. If you don't want to help. Then Drink from the STFU cup. I've helped out a number of guys that were rookies or uncomfortable. Otherwise. This forum is beginning to sound a lot like yahoo chat rooms back in the day. Just a bunch of bitching and computer screen bad asses. And theres my 2 cents.

[Demtneer]

I'm more AMP than Escort. But the recent development of "the Cool kids club " has gotten old before it started. Everybody has a first day on the job. If the question sounds fishy. Just take a big drink out of your cup of STFU. But ganging up on a newbie letting him to RTFF. And go search and report back. Duh Beavis. That's why his asking questions. If you're not going to help in open forum. Then help in PM. If you don't want to help. Then Drink from the STFU cup. I've helped out a number of guys that were rookies or uncomfortable. Otherwise. This forum is beginning to sound a lot like yahoo chat rooms back in the day. Just a bunch of bitching and computer screen bad asses. And theres my 2 cents.I agree. We are all here for the same purpose. We should be helping each other out. I don't get what the big deal is for just sharing the information. Going to do research is great if you were a paralegal but it could be costly if you research the wrong thing. It takes just as much time to give the answer as it does to tell someone to go figure it out on their own.

[Shampoo55]

I agree. We are all here for the same purpose. We should be helping each other out. I don't get what the big deal is for just sharing the information. Going to do research is great if you were a paralegal but it could be costly if you research the wrong thing. It takes just as much time to give the answer as it does to tell someone to go figure it out on their own.There are two things I'll comment on.

First, yeah, it takes no time to give answers, but one has to think how the other guy got those answers? So what the "big deal is" is that he probably invested his time and experience in doing the research. Or he spent his time and MONEY having an encounter. Someone spent time, money and effort to get those answers, like a paralegal, why should his efforts be free?.

Problem is that history around here shows that too many dudes show up with their hand out and take, take, take. They go see the girls but never provide reports back. How is that fair? Also there is a HUGE contingent of lurk only types as well. (would be interested to see the number of registered users in DE versus regular posters) Read the threads and one will see that it is a small number of guys doing all of the work. So how is it fair that the others getting off 'scot free'? The way this works is that EVERYONE reading here contributes a little. But I suspect we'll continue to see numerous posters with no reports, demanding free information or info that can be found by a bit of research.

Second, going and doing the research is a matter of safety and security. This is a free country and one is always free to choose to ignore basic safety steps! The record shows HUNDREDS of guys ignored that in the X case. We see posts frequently from guys who got ripped-off when posts indicated the girls were bad news or the guys rushed in and were unaware of the basic 'rules' of the hobby.

But hey, I don't see many newbies asking 'how to' questions. Why is that? Hubris? It looks easy? Ignorance? Afraid to look un-knowledgeable in public? This place is the best thing, next to a bunch of YouTube videos, on 'how to,' it is shocking how few use the resource.

If one is afraid they are going to do research wrong, then they clearly have much to learn! Now I get no one wants to hear that something as easy as scooping a girl or responding to an online advert is complex or requires a bit of learning. But again, each person is responsible for their own safety! You can't farm that out to posters on a MB! You need Spidey Senses, techniques, knowledge and gile in your quiver when sh! T happens. No time to stop, post on a thread and get a reply.

Part of doing research, like hobbying, is learning how to. Instead of insisting others do or think for them, each dude needs to learn "how to" for himself! Mistakes will be made in the hobby, it is each guy's choice of the severity of those mistakes by the knowledge they obtain. You can learn "experientially" on the streets, hotels, etc or "book learn" here. Oh the later will make you a bit of a nerd, but the former could cause financial loss, arrest or physical harm. Your choice: learn to do "research" or blindly stumble along.

So what are the arguments against learning to do research on one's own?

So while we are all here for the same purpose, please do not forget to 'do your part' and post reports or ask technique questions.

[TheWeatherMan]

Now that were on these douchbaggery topics, commenting on literally everyone reports and telling them they should do this do that, and not do this or that, while acting like a know it all gets extremely tiresome and annoying.

[Rodger Wood]

Come on guys! Help each other out! I've always said that Mongering looks easy, but consistently safe mongering is anything but easy. So be patient, learn and ask for help. Many knowledgeable posters (bareinbear) can help out. So use it when you can and offer a hand to others.

Be safe and be cool.

down periscopeSeems simple when you write it out like that.

[LuvARub88]

There are two things I'll comment on.

First, yeah, it takes no time to give answers, but one has to think how the other guy got those answers? So what the "big deal is" is that he probably invested his time and experience in doing the research. Or he spent his time and MONEY having an encounter. Someone spent time, money and effort to get those answers, like a paralegal, why should his efforts be free?.

Problem is that history around here shows that too many dudes show up with their hand out and take, take, take. They go see the girls but never provide reports back. How is that fair? Also there is a HUGE contingent of lurk only types as well. (would be interested to see the number of registered users in DE versus regular posters) Read the threads and one will see that it is a small number of guys doing all of the work. So how is it fair that the others getting off 'scot free'? The way this works is that EVERYONE reading here contributes a little. But I suspect we'll continue to see numerous posters with no reports, demanding free information or info that can be found by a bit of research.

Second, going and doing the research is a matter of safety and security. This is a free country and one is always free to choose to ignore basic safety steps! The record shows HUNDREDS of guys ignored that in the X case. We see posts frequently from guys who got ripped-off when posts indicated the girls were bad news or the guys rushed in and were unaware of the basic 'rules' of the hobby.

But hey, I don't see many newbies asking 'how to' questions. Why is that? Hubris? It looks easy? Ignorance? Afraid to look un-knowledgeable in public? This place is the best thing, next to a bunch of YouTube videos, on 'how to,' it is shocking how few use the resource.

If one is afraid they are going to do research wrong, then they clearly have much to learn! Now I get no one wants to hear that something as easy as scooping a girl or responding to an online advert is complex or requires a bit of learning. But again, each person is responsible for their own safety! You can't farm that out to posters on a MB! You need Spidey Senses, techniques, knowledge and gile in your quiver when sh! T happens. No time to stop, post on a thread and get a reply.

Part of doing research, like hobbying, is learning how to. Instead of insisting others do or think for them, each dude needs to learn "how to" for himself! Mistakes will be made in the hobby, it is each guy's choice of the severity of those mistakes by the knowledge they obtain. You can learn "experientially" on the streets, hotels, etc or "book learn" here. Oh the later will make you a bit of a nerd, but the former could cause financial loss, arrest or physical harm. Your choice: learn to do "research" or blindly stumble along.

So what are the arguments against learning to do research on one's own?

So while we are all here for the same purpose, please do not forget to 'do your part' and post reports or ask technique questions.Shampoo55. I'll speak for myself only. My comments had you in mind at the top of the list. And I'm almost sure that the others on this thread have others in mind. But you specifically targeted. We all appreciate wisdom. But your comments on every damn post that is put up. Really shits all over the reason this forum exists.

I'm a grown man. And at this point in life. I don't need the teacher to review my book report.

Sometimes boards are best served when you sit back and read. And stop the attempt at being the superior Monger here. And in at least in 2 other states.

Monger on!

[Shampoo55]

Shampoo55. I'll speak for myself only. My comments had you in mind at the top of the list. And I'm almost sure that the others on this thread have others in mind. But you specifically targeted. We all appreciate wisdom. But your comments on every damn post that is put up. Really shits all over the reason this forum exists.

I'm a grown man. And at this point in life. I don't need the teacher to review my book report.

Sometimes boards are best served when you sit back and read. And stop the attempt at being the superior Monger here. And in at least in 2 other states.

Monger on!Look, since you started pointing the finger at me:

1) Make sure you aren't butt hurt about comments or instruction given. I get it, no one wants in made clear that they are ignorant (uneducated) about anything. But when one is unknowledgeable about Mongering they are in real danger even if they don't understand why. I'm trying to help. But getting butt hurt over comments on an anonymous message board? Seriously?

2) You don't have to like my style. That doesn't mean the information is wrong. Perhaps a PM to help instruct on better style would result in something more palatable?

3) What have those who are jumping on me done to "help out" around here? You criticize, or nod your head to the attack posts, but what have you done to advise and educate those who are obviously new or who are flailing around? There has been a rash of newbies that don't get it. You want the board to degenerate into just a few posting info and everyone else taking? Where have you (each poster) been when it comes to helping newbies?

4) If you are a grown man, I would think one would welcome anyone who could share info, techniques, etc that would help you avoid bad situations in the hobby? I know I do. I'm always grateful when someone can share techniques, styles or info that can help. Why does that bother others?

5) Quit encouraging people to NOT POST! Er, unless you are going to take up the responsibility of helping others.

6) The purpose of these forums is to help guys find girls for dating. I'm interested in helping guys find girls safely and avoid ripoffs and resume wrecking experiences. Do you think advising others to contribute, learn to do DD and to read the history hear is really against the purpose of this place. Or would you like to help LE find your fave girl, just because they signed up and posted a question?

7) So are you stalking me around on other boards? So what if I post elsewhere? If you want wet shoes, I can read all of your old posts and 'comment' on your activity or lack thereof. That was really a douchebag move Amigo.

8) Oh and the way things are suppose to work, is that if one has a particular beef with a poster, take it up with them via PM and work it out. But hey, if you want to do the 'wet shoes' thing in public, I'll bring my fire hose. And like I said, perhaps some education of this poster's style is in order. Best accomplished via PMs.

6) Do I detect a ring of jealousy in the statement "super monger?" Best way to shut me up is for others to take the mantle of education and run with it. Can you contribute to that? Hope each dude who was nodding his head to your post will take up that challenge. And who cares who is or isn't a "super monger?" Nothing I would ever strive for, nor care about. After all, it isn't something one can share with the Rotary Club.

So yeah, I'll gladly take criticism of my mongering technique, but if you don't like seeing my posts to newbies, then step up to the plate and take some swings.

Be safe, monger on!

[Shampoo55]

Due invites a girl over to his house (Dooh #1) Now girl knows his Name, Address type of car and oh BTW what is his profession (unique).

Then dude solicits sex acts from the girl for money (illegal) (Dooh #2) and instead of having money available, tells her he has no cash and will get some tomorrow when his people come over (Dooh #3).

Then the girl provide all of these details to yours truly. (Dooh #4).

So dudes, WAKE UP and think! You think it is smart to rip these girls off? What if she and her hood rat friends decide to make a visit to your house and cause a scene. What if she decides to cry rape? I am sure she would be glad to trade charges with you: take the misdemeanor prostitution charge against your charge for rape (felony) that won't look good on your record.

[PPJones]

Due invites a girl over to his house (Dooh #1) Now girl knows his Name, Address type of car and oh BTW what is his profession (unique).

Then dude solicits sex acts from the girl for money (illegal) (Dooh #2) and instead of having money available, tells her he has no cash and will get some tomorrow when his people come over (Dooh #3).

Then the girl provide all of these details to yours truly. (Dooh #4).

So dudes, WAKE UP and think! You think it is smart to rip these girls off? What if she and her hood rat friends decide to make a visit to your house and cause a scene. What if she decides to cry rape? I am sure she would be glad to trade charges with you: take the misdemeanor prostitution charge against your charge for rape (felony) that won't look good on your record.Yeah, took a minute to find the douchey move, but, so basically, he never paid her, WTF. Bad move. Especially with all the info she has 🙄, then she's already spread it to you and countless others 🙄. Good luck to that guy, and if I knew the address, I'd send some hoodrat friends right over there. 😝. Prolly save the guy a little grief.

[Cephlapod Love]

What ever happened to bareinbear?

[LuvARub88]

What ever happened to bareinbear?He found Jesus. Peace and salvation? Or. Hes still here in the shadows. Hmmmmmm a Scooby doo mystery.

[Shampoo55]

So yeah, my post about my weekend activities generated some interest. Understandable.

But one dude shows up and literally BEGS for digits! I mean 3 Pleases in a row? (Please Please Please) So I look at the dude's profile and see here's been around for 2 years (8/2018) and has a total of 3 posts!

So it needs to be said, if types like this bother to read the boards. Here is how things work around here!

You need to build some "cred" around here before anyone will take you serious! How do you do that?

1) Post reports about the dates you had. The more explicit the better. Don't just say it was nice or the the girl was nice. We want to know how things went:

* What services did you get?

* How was the girl at providing those services? The best you ever had? Average? Was she too toothy with head, too fast, used her hand. How many positions, tight, loose. Etc.

* Where was the place you dated? Did she provide it? Was it clean, messy, safe?

* Where did you find her: street scoop? (where) Walmart pickup? Website (which one), referral?

* Is he with an agency? Independent? Has a BF, cousin? Handler?

2) You need to post a screen shot of her advert. Don't know how to do that on a smart phone? Google taking a screen shot on Android / iPhone. This does a few things. First it preserves the advert for others to see. Posting just a link is often useless and the posts or websites often go down. With the post captured, we have some info about the girl and about rates and contact info.

3) You need to post naked pictures of the girl! You can get those from her post, often girls will send one or take one during your date. Most won't object it you leave her face out of the frame and / or avoid any unique tats. Doing this builds instant cred. If you don't know why then you don't know what you need to know to be in the hobby.

4) One can build cred by telling about what methods or techniques one has used and asking for advice on how to improve. Think you know it all of that it is easy? The hobby has many lessons to teach, and one can learn those lessons by posting here, OR by getting ripped-off, scammed, injured or arrested.

5) If you are asking for something, have something to give in return. That is only fair. Why should any guy do all of the work and you just get a free ride? You may think you are a special case, but the person you asked has no idea that is the case. Your desperation isn't anyone else's concern to fix. We can help you learn "how to" so that you never need to be desperate again.

But showing up with your hand out with zero cred? I mean I guess it might work with a few that don't get it or those who work for LE. But this isn't Reddit or some other social media site. Guys have learned the hard way and want something in return. How does anyone know you aren't LE trying to set them up? We all know some level of LE lies like a rug and anyone who has watched a cop show knows they are permitted to lie in many circumstances. So how big a jump is it from referral to pimp? Might be low probability, but you want to have a convo to prove or refute such or have to hire a lawyer to get out of a jam?

So the bottom line is, show up and POST REPORTS! Build some cred, make some friends by helping out. Do that and the info flows freely through b / c.

[Strange]

So yeah, my post about my weekend activities generated some interest. Understandable.

But one dude shows up and literally BEGS for digits! I mean 3 Pleases in a row? (Please Please Please) So I look at the dude's profile and see here's been around for 2 years (8/2018) and has a total of 3 posts!

So it needs to be said, if types like this bother to read the boards. Here is how things work around here!

You need to build some "cred" around here before anyone will take you serious! How do you do that?

1) Post reports about the dates you had. The more explicit the better. Don't just say it was nice or the the girl was nice. We want to know how things went:

* What services did you get?

* How was the girl at providing those services? The best you ever had? Average? Was she too toothy with head, too fast, used her hand. How many positions, tight, loose. Etc.

* Where was the place you dated? Did she provide it? Was it clean, messy, safe?

* Where did you find her: street scoop? (where) Walmart pickup? Website (which one), referral?

* Is he with an agency? Independent? Has a BF, cousin? Handler?

2) You need to post a screen shot of her advert. Don't know how to do that on a smart phone? Google taking a screen shot on Android / iPhone. This does a few things. First it preserves the advert for others to see. Posting just a link is often useless and the posts or websites often go down. With the post captured, we have some info about the girl and about rates and contact info.

3) You need to post naked pictures of the girl! You can get those from her post, often girls will send one or take one during your date. Most won't object it you leave her face out of the frame and / or avoid any unique tats. Doing this builds instant cred. If you don't know why then you don't know what you need to know to be in the hobby.

4) One can build cred by telling about what methods or techniques one has used and asking for advice on how to improve. Think you know it all of that it is easy? The hobby has many lessons to teach, and one can learn those lessons by posting here, OR by getting ripped-off, scammed, injured or arrested.

5) If you are asking for something, have something to give in return. That is only fair. Why should any guy do all of the work and you just get a free ride? You may think you are a special case, but the person you asked has no idea that is the case. Your desperation isn't anyone else's concern to fix. We can help you learn "how to" so that you never need to be desperate again.

But showing up with your hand out with zero cred? I mean I guess it might work with a few that don't get it or those who work for LE. But this isn't Reddit or some other social media site. Guys have learned the hard way and want something in return. How does anyone know you aren't LE trying to set them up? We all know some level of LE lies like a rug and anyone who has watched a cop show knows they are permitted to lie in many circumstances. So how big a jump is it from referral to pimp? Might be low probability, but you want to have a convo to prove or refute such or have to hire a lawyer to get out of a jam?

So the bottom line is, show up and POST REPORTS! Build some cred, make some friends by helping out. Do that and the info flows freely through b / c.I was somewhat confused by FC. Funcityasians is now defunct, so just curious. Excuse me for my ignorance.

[Strange]

Due invites a girl over to his house (Dooh #1) Now girl knows his Name, Address type of car and oh BTW what is his profession (unique).

Then dude solicits sex acts from the girl for money (illegal) (Dooh #2) and instead of having money available, tells her he has no cash and will get some tomorrow when his people come over (Dooh #3).

Then the girl provide all of these details to yours truly. (Dooh #4).

So dudes, WAKE UP and think! You think it is smart to rip these girls off? What if she and her hood rat friends decide to make a visit to your house and cause a scene. What if she decides to cry rape? I am sure she would be glad to trade charges with you: take the misdemeanor prostitution charge against your charge for rape (felony) that won't look good on your record.Can we all just agree that it is literally our job to take care of these girls? Scamming them screws all of us. Don't scam the girls. It literally comes down to creating an environment where everyone involved thrives. Don't fuck with that.

[Shampoo55]

I was somewhat confused by FC. Funcityasians is now defunct, so just curious. Excuse me for my ignorance.FC is a term from the Sugar Bowl. FC = F#ck Chamber. A crude term used to describe any indoor spot where sex happens.

Some acronyms can be found here:
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http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ&p=2480291&viewfull=1#post2480291

[Shampoo55]

So I have a stalker, a dude who likes to slam my posts and send me hate mail every opportunity he can find to criticize something I wrote. Best I can tell the dude is jealous of what he's not getting? But hey I could be wrong.

But this recent PM takes the cake, he send me a note slamming me for writing that I stopped and talked to a girl and tossed her a few buck and bought her something to drink. Said that doing that made me a sucker and it was embarrassing! Just goes to show how stupid or dumb, or should I say ignorant (uneducated), some long term hobbyists are. Do you think this kindness is a waste of time?

I hope this isn't a case of people hating my style so they reject the message. That would be a bit silly - ignore what can help you because it isn't wrapped in Kumbayah?

If you don't know or understand why it is I did what I did then I can say with a certainty that you do not know what you need to know to be safe in the hobby. Hey that is fine ignorance is bliss and the cops need to arrest someone and the girls ripping off guys need to see you and perhaps you should date those with STDs too.

Running around the streets with so little knowledge, skills or understand of how to play the game is what is truly embarrassing!

Good luck Hobby!

[WeatherMan2]

Alright this will be the last time I go back and forth with you, because I'm sure others are tired of this soap opera. I need to do a better job of ignoring you and I will.

"jealous" nah man we date a lot of the same girls, and these girls will date anyone with a Jackson in their pocket.

"stalker" a bit of an exaggeration. I've sent you some pms about some of your outlandish posts.

"running around the streets with such little knowledge" this is funny. Dude I've lived in Wilmington my whole life a lot of this game is just knowing your surroundings, and you make it sound like its so difficult to pick someone up. So what you did with Jaci I mean whatever its not something I would do, doesn't mean I'm not a nice guy, but I ripped you a little bit just to give you a dose of your own medicine. You like to critique everyone so I decided to critique your report and I did so via pm. Its funny how you don't like it when it happens to you but yet you do it to everyone else.

Alright that's it I'm done, you won't hear from me anymore just post whatever you want.

[Shampoo55]

Alright this will be the last time I go back and forth with you, because I'm sure others are tired of this soap opera. I need to do a better job of ignoring you and I will.

"jealous" nah man we date a lot of the same girls, and these girls will date anyone with a Jackson in their pocket.

"stalker" a bit of an exaggeration. I've sent you some pms about some of your outlandish posts.

"running around the streets with such little knowledge" this is funny. Dude I've lived in Wilmington my whole life a lot of this game is just knowing your surroundings, and you make it sound like its so difficult to pick someone up. So what you did with Jaci I mean whatever its not something I would do, doesn't mean I'm not a nice guy, but I ripped you a little bit just to give you a dose of your own medicine. You like to critique everyone so I decided to critique your report and I did so via pm. Its funny how you don't like it when it happens to you but yet you do it to everyone else.

Alright that's it I'm done, you won't hear from me anymore just post whatever you want.This is WAY too funny! SERIOUSLY?

You just could not help yourself could you? I extended you a courtesy and didn't identify who you were in my rant post and you could have remained anonymous, but by replying you called yourself out. Situational awareness?.

And this from a dude who thinks mongering is easy? From one of your earlier posts:

Just my personal opinion I think mongering is pretty easy, especially street walkers I literally just drive down Lancaster make eye contact, discreetly pull over, never have them talk through the window just have them get in and that's really all there is to it, I don't go through a 30 rule checklist but hey that's me.

But you restated that again too.


"running around the streets with such little knowledge" this is funny. Dude I've lived in Wilmington my whole life a lot of this game is just knowing your surroundings, and you make it sound like its so difficult to pick someone up. So the bottom line is we have a difference of opinion. I think there are skills and techniques one could or should use when mongering and you think it is easy. This is really the essence of everything isn't it? We have a difference of opinion. You think mongering is easy and resent others telling you that in their opinion there are things to learn? You get lost in style and as a result miss a chance to learn from others? Just because I try to show others how to avoid problems by educating them, you have a hard-on? Yeah, anyone can pick up a girl but the learning/techniques doesn't stop there. There is much more to it than that. So you go do your "easy" mongering and I'll hope that your luck doesn't run out or you don't have a bad situation of "experiential learning!"

But I love how you state that you have lived in Wilmington you whole life, like that meant you had decades of monger experience. But according to your posts your first street scoop was only 3 years ago. October 2017!

Look I thought I knew it all after a few scoops and dates and even a few years, but let me tell you the "learning" continues beyond that. In fact, it never ends. When one gets complacent or thinks it is easy is often when the hobby teaches a lesson. You are free to disagree.

So if you want to learn, I'll be glad to share info and techniques.

Stay safe.

[Shampoo55]

"resent others" he says. Nah just you LOL.

You over think everything. Your right first scoop was in 2017, and? If anything it just makes you look worse making a career out of trying to pick someone up since you've been around for decades. "sigh" .Just resent ME? OK, I get it! Some one show up and displays more knowledge than you and that gives you a hard-on for them. Got it! Maybe you should look inside and stop being a hater and open your mind, perhaps you could learn something? But then again, you think mongering is easy!

But you are now setting levels of mongering? You think someone who has been around a while is worse than one around a short time? Whoremongering is whoremongering! Look in the mirror you are no better, no worse. See you just have to put me down in order to prop yourself up. Sigh.

But like I noted, you just can't help yourself can you?


Alright this will be the last time I go back and forth with you, because I'm sure others are tired of this soap opera. I need to do a better job of ignoring you and I will.

Alright that's it I'm done, you won't hear from me anymore just post whatever you want.LOL! Keep going. Guess you like wet shoes?

I am curious, which one are you? Jim Carey or Jeff Danels?

[Cephlapod Love]

While I note and understand that there are many new profiles as a result of the Elkton debacle, I think due diligence is in order. Guys need to build cred and watch for it.

From that we learned, the unfriendlies are not adverse to signing up for and using websites. B / C reports indicate that one user with over 160 posts might in fact be an unfriendly. But when trading info via DM/PM might make some sense to take a look at posts and see what is there? I suspect posting nude pictures is one way to prove who you are. So that should be the litmus test here. You want to build cred, post a pic of the girl, something that would be considered pornographic by community standards. Add it to an info request or just post one in the pic thread. Certainly add one to any reviews.

I am certain that in the past I have gotten PMs / DMs from LE created monikers. So be careful what you share and if going offsite, doubly cautious.

But hey, you can choose to ignore me or not believe it, but many ignored my posts before.

Happy Hunting and be safe!

[Mongerian]

Ceph—I'm trying to PM you about a fave of ours, she's in a bad spot and feeling down. PM me and I can tell you more (Elkton Jess, we had dueling vids going &#128521.


While I note and understand that there are many new profiles as a result of the Elkton debacle, I think due diligence is in order. Guys need to build cred and watch for it.

From that we learned, the unfriendlies are not adverse to signing up for and using websites. B / C reports indicate that one user with over 160 posts might in fact be an unfriendly. But when trading info via DM/PM might make some sense to take a look at posts and see what is there? I suspect posting nude pictures is one way to prove who you are. So that should be the litmus test here. You want to build cred, post a pic of the girl, something that would be considered pornographic by community standards. Add it to an info request or just post one in the pic thread. Certainly add one to any reviews.

I am certain that in the past I have gotten PMs / DMs from LE created monikers. So be careful what you share and if going offsite, doubly cautious.

But hey, you can choose to ignore me or not believe it, but many ignored my posts before.

Happy Hunting and be safe!

[Shampoo55]

Are you even a real monger. I went back and in your last 100 posts. Yes ONE HUNDRED you have, count 'them, ZERO reviews. Do you ever help the community? Do you even have one review of a girl on here. Again, tone down the BS. Post a review if you actually saw a girl. You brag about a big stable. I know lots of girls in the area. I think you know none.LOL! Who died and made you Board Moderator? According to you, helping others learn to monger & stay safe and improving the quality of the boards is BS? There is more to these boards than just girls names & numbers!

You are just a hater. I get it! I posted pictures of three UTR girls I dated. You sent me a PM asking for their numbers. I asked the girls if they wanted their names & numbers shared and THE GIRLS DECLINED! So now you have a hard-on for me? Didn't get what you wanted, so now are attacking me?

Keep going, I have a fire hose, if you want to keep up the wet shoes routine!

[Shampoo55]

Shampoo, you complain about everything. You are miserable and I literally can't stand to see updates to the board with your name appearing as most recent. You love to believe this fictitious world where your knowledge is useful and people give a shit about your opinion. Months ago when you first became annoying I saw and noticed how useless your posts were and how few posts were actual dates. Wow you have met some utrs, that's neat. Ddbf or whatever his tag is is actually helpful unlike you. Look how many people can't stand you and just leave. I stopped posting long ago when ceph stopped posting and it was because I actually respect him and assumed he had additional knowledge I was not aware of. In true creep fashion I stalked the boards and did not contribute. You complain about everything and I have yet to see anyone support you; you are not superior, special, freethinking, you are a asshole that no one wants here. Go home.Oh look another Hater! And this one with a whole 33 posts! Talk about useful posting.

First posted 04-21-17 and in 3. 5 years only 33 posts?

Oh and I see you gave advice to mongers in the past:


Research

For all customers eager but otherwise object. Keep searching other forms of social media for the answer you seek.

So why do you object when I give advice to mongers? Hypocrite!

BIG gap in your posts between 09-12-18 and 02-03-20. What happened you one of the dudes that got jammed up in the WHFT mess?

Why don't you stop being a hater. I am just providing info on "how to monger". Have you noticed the reports on who is out on the strolls? But that is useless?

Must be one of those that doesn't want to do for them self and just wants to be spoon fed. Sigh.

More wet shoes?

[J Richard]

It becomes pretty clear who who is active, who is information mining etc, who is just taking up bandwidth.

Likewise who has or had multiple names usernames.

Then there are others because of their stupidity and or poor decisions got caught up in BS now believe they are the expert.

An expert with a different name.

Some are multiple screen name people are still alive and active, others dead. I don't mean dead as inactive. Well, I mean dead as in not living.

The Tri-State Area boards are becoming the Craigslist Rants and Raves section as they were up until a few years ago when changes to allowable posts on their board in general migrated people away. That is not a negative comment to USA but to a few posters.

Many mongers and providers have both taken a leave or semi leave of absence, myself included out of an abundance of caution. I still keep up on the boards both here and of providers. Fortunately, two things recently occurred for me, the opening of 1719 and the return of the VA's. So I am again active.

But I wish the Admin would take a serious look at the useless posts, posts without any reviews, review information that is actually the experience of others, and put a lid on constant Dribble on all of the DE Boards, S. Jersey and Philadelphia of Shampoo.

The individual consistently comments on the actions of others, believing he is providing sound advice. While countless others have provided sound advice to him to curtail the constant dribble and provide Real Useful Reports. Their suggestions are met with attacks.

While Censorship is a terrible thing, banning is even worse. Exercising self-control in posting is what this individual needs. I just don't know if that will happen. But another member in the Wilmington Board last night or this morning had a good post on the same, which was met with a response from him.

Clearly enough is enough. Shampoo can PM members if he has useful suggestions or information for them.

But being the self appointed Procedure, Health and Safety Sheriff and the accompanying Multiple Daily Posts are not welcomed by many.

[LuvARub88]

It becomes pretty clear who who is active, who is information mining etc, who is just taking up bandwidth.

Likewise who has or had multiple names usernames.

Then there are others because of their stupidity and or poor decisions got caught up in BS now believe they are the expert.

An expert with a different name.

Some are multiple screen name people are still alive and active, others dead. I don't mean dead as inactive. Well, I mean dead as in not living.

The Tri-State Area boards are becoming the Craigslist Rants and Raves section as they were up until a few years ago when changes to allowable posts on their board in general migrated people away. That is not a negative comment to USA but to a few posters.

Many mongers and providers have both taken a leave or semi leave of absence, myself included out of an abundance of caution. I still keep up on the boards both here and of providers. Fortunately, two things recently occurred for me, the opening of 1719 and the return of the VA's. So I am again active.

But I wish the Admin would take a serious look at the useless posts, posts without any reviews, review information that is actually the experience of others, and put a lid on constant Dribble on all of the DE Boards, S. Jersey and Philadelphia of Shampoo.

The individual consistently comments on the actions of others, believing he is providing sound advice. While countless others have provided sound advice to him to curtail the constant dribble and provide Real Useful Reports. Their suggestions are met with attacks.

While Censorship is a terrible thing, banning is even worse. Exercising self-control in posting is what this individual needs. I just don't know if that will happen. But another member in the Wilmington Board last night or this morning had a good post on the same, which was met with a response from him.

Clearly enough is enough. Shampoo can PM members if he has useful suggestions or information for them.

But being the self appointed Procedure, Health and Safety Sheriff and the accompanying Multiple Daily Posts are not welcomed by many.That was beyond perfectly put. I've gotten to the point that I won't open a thread if the last comments were from Shampoo55.

His ego and self importance is killing any fun to the DE board. And thinning it into a DM only those that care to share an experience. But don't want the "professional critique ". When they didn't want or ask fir it.

Thanks for putting that out there.

[Shampoo55]

It becomes pretty clear who who is active, who is information mining etc, who is just taking up bandwidth.This is really rich! Sad that you believe it!

Who is information mining? LOL! I guess you guys don't see the reports I post of who is out on the strolls? You buy into the drivel and hatred that nothing useful is provided.

What gets posted here as reviews is 90% comments on the "same old" girls that have been around or STG girls. Very little here that anyone who does DD could not discover for them self. But I guess if you are lazy and want to be spoon fed, then what the DE boards have become, is paradise!

[Shampoo55]

Then there are others because of their stupidity and or poor decisions got caught up in BS now believe they are the expert.
This is really the crux of the matter isn't it? A few posters think they are the experts and want to be the King of Mongers here! So guys like you attack.

[Shampoo55]

The Tri-State Area boards are becoming the Craigslist Rants and Raves section as they were up until a few years ago when changes to allowable posts on their board in general migrated people away. That is not a negative comment to USA but to a few posters. It takes two to tango, so why aren't you attacking others and trying to get them to change their style?

My replies to the attacks are easy to stop = stop attacking me. You want to stifle me, but not my "fan base" of attackers? Where is your sense of fairness man?

[Shampoo55]

Many mongers and providers have both taken a leave or semi leave of absence, myself included out of an abundance of caution. I still keep up on the boards both here and of providers. Fortunately, two things recently occurred for me, the opening of 1719 and the return of the VA's. So I am again active.This is really rich! Wow!

You state you have " taken a leave or semi leave of absence, myself included out of an abundance of caution" but now are back because a couple of well publicized AMPs are back? You got caught up in the stupidity of WHFT but are repeating that stupidity? VA, or Visiting Asians sure appears to be the definition of sex trafficking! Girls or Women brought in from overseas to provide? Massages? In a hotel room. Now using your own words " mid-twenty girl exiting car in the lot. A younger girl was in the car", it surely is going to be, if not already, is a target of the FBI or other law enforcement! I mean it is no secret that this outfit uses the same hotel, Red Roof Inn Christiana every time they show up in the area. Have you guys checked for a pole camera or surveillance vans the last time you were there?

Oh I get it! Everyone feels "safe" there because there are so many reports about VA. There were years of reports on WHFT too but still guys got caught up in that mess. You get upset or just ignore the cautions out there because heeding them would limit you fun? Easier to ignore the advice to be cautious.

Good luck with that!

[Shampoo55]

But I wish the Admin would take a serious look at the useless posts, posts without any reviews, review information that is actually the experience of others, and put a lid on constant Dribble on all of the DE Boards, S. Jersey and Philadelphia of Shampoo.LOL! Dude set up strawmen to knock them down. You can do better!

First you need to get your facts straight and quit exaggerating! Can't recall last time I posted in South Joisey. Was that an attempt to make the problem bigger than it really is? Nice try.

But what do you care if I post elsewhere? Who made you the board monitor? You should be happy I am not posting on your beloved DE boards. No one in Philly is disuaded from posting as a result of any of my posts.

Useless posts? I guess you guys don't see the reports I post of who is out on the strolls? You buy into the drivel and hatred that nothing useful is provided.

But the purpose of these threads is to help guys find girls. Part of mongering is "technique" but apparently that is 'useless posts?

What really is the reason you have a hard-on for me?

[Shampoo55]

The individual consistently comments on the actions of others, believing he is providing sound advice. While countless others have provided sound advice to him to curtail the constant dribble and provide Real Useful Reports. Their suggestions are met with attacks.Oh I see, So your flowery prose is to be taken as providing "sound advice" to curtail the constant dribble? Face it dude, this was a sugar coated bashing. You put lipstick on the pig and now want to call it something else?

Please show me where the advice I have given anyone on "how to monger" is NOT sound advice. Easy to make generalizations, harder to back them up with examples or facts. Admit it, you don't like seeing advice that you don't follow. That's your choice, but doesn't mean it isn't sound advice. If you disagree, then state you disagree and WHY you disagree. Don't just dismiss it as "dribble" as that would be pretty weak-minded!

But wake up! You attack me and you are going to get the same in return. Why haven't you and your other screen names figured that one out? As I have said before, you want to see me change, then approach me like a man, face-to-face in a PM and let's see if we can work something out. But you apparently are too pussy to do that? ONE poster has approached me privately and I believe got a good response. Civil discussion. But you just want to hide behind a public post and bash. That sir, is real douchebaggery.

[Shampoo55]

Clearly enough is enough. Shampoo can PM members if he has useful suggestions or information for them.
And the same is true for you! You could PM me to air your grievances but apparently you refuse to do that! So you and others post long bashing posts and are surprised that that gets a public response? You want change, then let's work it out.

Now let's see if anyone takes up the challenge to get real change? Or are you one of those who just wants other to do for you?

[MissPiggy]

[Deleted by Admin]

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited or deleted because it appeared to be a public effort to discourage members from posting information. If you have a concern about information posted by another member, then please contact them privately by PM. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines for further information.

[Shampoo55]

Got this PM the other day and thought the subject was of interest so I am sharing it here, not identifying the sender, so don't ask. Hope he / she doesn't mind.

man, you are taking a beating. I can't figure out which one of these guys is the fed. AAAAAAA or BBBBBB?

I think they play a game where they try to build confidence by attacking a monger and gang up on him and then the ones ganging up pm each other in hopes of getting more info. I'm so sure those feds who investigated whft are in this board, in fact, I know they are, I'm just not sure if they are registered users. pretty sure they are tho.

I see one of them has taken over attacking others on the threads, a real hypocrite, since THAT was his chief complaint. The other has been identified positively by one who knows. So, keep posting reports, but be careful who you share info with privately. I think"they" 's primary objective is under-aged and trafficked girls. Always a good set to avoid religiously. Run into either and run the opposite way!

Oh and the third one is a type I have run into before in this world. More ego than brains, thinks he knows it all when in fact he doesn't know what he doesn't know, Thinks he should be the 'go to' guy and the top of the heap. When he can't get his way, because he lacks the intellectual acumen to do so, he goes Neanderthal. You want to follow a guy like that, be my guest!

[Shampoo55]

So I dated this girl the other day. Let's call her ABC. Nice indoor date. She took a shower first so was clean & fresh. Nice bit of daty on a full Bush. I confess, I made her scream and pop. Nice C's with eraser nipps that liked being sucked. She did a great BBBJ waking up the dead, causing edema and nearly getting a protein drink. Instead she wanted a backshot and how could I refuse another view of that? Girl was tight or had some control. Me? My control was wavering, so I flipped her to mish and stroked it out. That vice grip eventually won out and I created some more soggy latex for the landfill. Hell Yeah! I'll repeat!

Don't ask for her info. She doesn't walk the streets, doesn't post online and doesn't want her number spread around to a bunch of random guys.

So how did I find her if not the ways most can think of? This is where many have something to learn about the hobby.

You see, I have several girls I see regularly. Well one disappeared several months ago. You know, phones get stolen, girls go on vacation, some White Knight moves her in for a few or life happens. Well this one disappeared.

Then one day, I'm driving a different area and there she was! Yeah, I pulled a boneheaded move and pulled right up to her. But I got some new digits and reconnected. Now gosh, from time to time I'll see a girl I know and stop and buy her a drink or toss her a few bucks. (this is where the dopes think I'm a sucker or stupid or doing "embarrassing" things!) but that minimal expenditure always bears fruit in future dates or current Intel. But I digress. So this girl that was 'lost and found' asked me, after a nice session of draining my vein, if I wanted to do a double with her friend ABC who was going through a tough time! Instead I took the chance to see if ABC would date on her own and she was down! Viola! The rest is history.

So how do I find girls to date? Is being nice and not a cheapskate of some value in the Hobby or is it "embarrassing?"

Oops, got to run, I see a text from one of my girls. No doubt she wants a date this evening! Oh and BTW, the one this evening is a referral too! (not online, not on the streets)

Happy Hunting!

[Rub101]

So I dated this girl the other day. Let's call her ABC. Nice indoor date. She took a shower first so was clean & fresh. Nice bit of daty on a full Bush. I confess, I made her scream and pop. Nice C's with eraser nipps that liked being sucked. She did a great BBBJ waking up the dead, causing edema and nearly getting a protein drink. Instead she wanted a backshot and how could I refuse another view of that? Girl was tight or had some control. Me? My control was wavering, so I flipped her to mish and stroked it out. That vice grip eventually won out and I created some more soggy latex for the landfill. Hell Yeah! I'll repeat!

Don't ask for her info. She doesn't walk the streets, doesn't post online and doesn't want her number spread around to a bunch of random guys.

So how did I find her if not the ways most can think of? This is where many have something to learn about the hobby.

You see, I have several girls I see regularly. Well one disappeared several months ago. You know, phones get stolen, girls go on vacation, some White Knight moves her in for a few or life happens. Well this one disappeared.

Then one day, I'm driving a different area and there she was! Yeah, I pulled a boneheaded move and pulled right up to her. But I got some new digits and reconnected. Now gosh, from time to time I'll see a girl I know and stop and buy her a drink or toss her a few bucks. (this is where the dopes think I'm a sucker or stupid or doing "embarrassing" things!) but that minimal expenditure always bears fruit in future dates or current Intel. But I digress. So this girl that was 'lost and found' asked me, after a nice session of draining my vein, if I wanted to do a double with her friend ABC who was going through a tough time! Instead I took the chance to see if ABC would date on her own and she was down! Viola! The rest is history.

So how do I find girls to date? Is being nice and not a cheapskate of some value in the Hobby or is it "embarrassing?"

Oops, got to run, I see a text from one of my girls. No doubt she wants a date this evening! Oh and BTW, the one this evening is a referral too! (not online, not on the streets)

Happy Hunting!Difinitely better to find your own, then you don't have to share.

[Cephlapod Love]

Happy New Year to all mongers! May your play funds be unlimited and your Johnson constantly wet!

[Blacksnake15]

Happy New Year to all mongers! May your play funds be unlimited and your Johnson constantly wet!Happy Nude Year to you.

[Shampoo55]

Happy New Year to all mongers! May your play funds be unlimited and your Johnson constantly wet!Happy New Year! When are you coming back?

[Bacon Bread]

Checked STG found her ad, texted was sent a address. Negotiated to. 6 for massage and happy ending. Walked In put money down, hear noise in the bathroom, went to check and another girl she does doubles with was in there. Got to it, no massage, BBJ and doggy, popped and rolled out. She's older everything is saggy and deflated bad. Definitely a user, she got the job done but won't repeat. Damage was. 6.

Be safe gentlemen.Why take the time to write a review if you aren't going to include a link or some info to indicate who you are reviewing? Without that it's totally useless.

[Homey D]

I just wanted to add a post as a reminder that it's not just the providers who will scam or cut and run. This post doesn't mention a name, and the providers probably don't even need reminding, but here it is.

It's about a regular who ripped off a provider when she wasn't looking.

https://escortstacey.com/scammer-alert

[Shampoo55]

OMFG! About a quarter of adverts on STG now have statements that a deposit is required. They pretty much state take it 0 r leave it or fuck off!

I mean must be that many dudes are paying upfront or these things wouldn't be growing, Are dudes this gullible?

I mean how do you pay a girl upfront when you are at Pt A and she is at Pt B? Best I can tell there is no way to send money anonymously.

So I guess LE sets up an online advert, gets you to break the law by talking sex for money and then gets you to "out" yourself by making a deposit, which reveals your real name. Maybe the future of stings will be showing up at your house at 4 AM, warrant in hand with the text proof and bank information to tie you to your email / text statements.

WOW.

[Pgilmo]

I just wanted to add a post as a reminder that it's not just the providers who will scam or cut and run. This post doesn't mention a name, and the providers probably don't even need reminding, but here it is.

It's about a regular who ripped off a provider when she wasn't looking.

https://escortstacey.com/scammer-alert


I was easily seeing 4 to 6 guys an hour for at least 8 hours a day in order to have a car, pay my bills and get on my feet.
This last time, near the end of a very busy day. Id probably already seen 35 to 40 guys before him, and I was tired. Yikes. Just another day at the office 😲.

[J Richard]

Yikes. Just another day at the office 😲.You know the rates, do the math.

Just trying to pay bills? Yeah, okay.

I just won't comment further to be polite.

[Shampoo55]

I just wanted to add a post as a reminder that it's not just the providers who will scam or cut and run. This post doesn't mention a name, and the providers probably don't even need reminding, but here it is.

It's about a regular who ripped off a provider when she wasn't looking.

I understand that some dude is out there paying various girls in fake money. Stuff that he xeroxed. So yeah, girls get ripped off too. This is why many now are asking to be paid by Cashapp, Vemo, PayPal and others. Not only do they have the money, they have a name if you fraud them.

Doesn't matter if a dude takes his fee back or thousands from a girl. Still a douche move. And they justify it because she is "just" a wh*re, well dude is a Wh*remonger AND a thief. At least one is working for her money.

[MorganT]

I just wanted to add a post as a reminder that it's not just the providers who will scam or cut and run. This post doesn't mention a name, and the providers probably don't even need reminding, but here it is.

It's about a regular who ripped off a provider when she wasn't looking.

https://escortstacey.com/scammer-alertShe is by far the most pleasant date I've had and I've had over 70 different dates over the past 3 plus years. She has learned to work smarter not harder and I'm happy to be on her list. IMHO there is slim pickings out there that offer the date she offers me. I guess the dude is feeling the same way because he keeps hitting her up to no avail. Being respectful and appreciate to the good dates goes a lot further then ripping them off and then scrambling for a repeat. Being lower volume all she wants is no drama times.

[Shampoo55]

WTF! 275/ hr and 500 2 hrs?

I guess what would you expect for a girl named Dallas in the Philly area?

Get the F out!

https://delaware.bedpage.com/Escorts/wilmington-area-outcall-only/9815552.html

[Dbf3251]

She is by far the most pleasant date I've had and I've had over 70 different dates over the past 3 plus years. She has learned to work smarter not harder and I'm happy to be on her list. IMHO there is slim pickings out there that offer the date she offers me. I guess the dude is feeling the same way because he keeps hitting her up to no avail. Being respectful and appreciate to the good dates goes a lot further then ripping them off and then scrambling for a repeat. Being lower volume all she wants is no drama times.If her post is correct how on earth was she struggling. If she saw her average 5 guys an hour 8 hours a day and they each paid $60 that's $2,000 a day tax free and factoring in weekends and 4 weeks vacation $575 K a year tax free.

[MikeHawk007]

If her post is correct how on earth was she struggling. If she saw her average 5 guys an hour 8 hours a day and they each paid $60 that's $2,000 a day tax free and factoring in weekends and 4 weeks vacation $575 K a year tax free.I did see her driving a Cadillac a long time ago for a ss LOL good for her.

[Dbf3251]

I did see her driving a Cadillac a long time ago for a ss LOL good for her.I know the one you are talking about. That's not a fancy car. Anyway if she really is getting that much business good for her. She's a fun lay and has those wild ginormous nipples. BTW, anyone paid for her only fans? Does she have good videos? Thinking of signing up. Would love to watch her take some monster cock, especially since I've seen her several times.

[Homey D]

I signed up for 3 months. So far, she's been posting pretty regularly. She does have some videos on there and she did a survey there and on her main site asking what type of videos guys wanted to see. It turns out that butt plugs and dildos are high on the list along with boy-girl banging and extreme close-ups. We'll see where it goes. Crossing my fingers.


I know the one you are talking about. That's not a fancy car. Anyway if she really is getting that much business good for her. She's a fun lay and has those wild ginormous nipples. BTW, anyone paid for her only fans? Does she have good videos? Thinking of signing up. Would love to watch her take some monster cock, especially since I've seen her several times.

[MorganT]

I know the one you are talking about. That's not a fancy car. Anyway if she really is getting that much business good for her. She's a fun lay and has those wild ginormous nipples. BTW, anyone paid for her only fans? Does she have good videos? Thinking of signing up. Would love to watch her take some monster cock, especially since I've seen her several times.Lots of pics couple of short BJ clips. Still 1 full month. Close up pics. A work in progress but getting a lot of attention.

[Cephlapod Love]

I see the thread degenerated a bit in my absence to a discussion thread on one girl. Sigh. This is supposed to be the "fight thread" for DE or noting stupid stuff that others do. But hey, I guess a irl can be stupid, but general info like that could help others in the normal threads since some might not look down here.

But let's start the year off with some praise!

There was a monger around here that took one for the team and provided great service to the DE Monger Community at great personal cost. Said service helped all dudes in the hobby and is the kind of thing that make this site a great place. So raise a glass to BareinBear for his contributions. May his name endure while he is dearly departed!

Stay safe!

[TheePhoenix]

I understand that some dude is out there paying various girls in fake money. Stuff that he xeroxed. So yeah, girls get ripped off too. This is why many now are asking to be paid by Cashapp, Vemo, PayPal and others. Not only do they have the money, they have a name if you fraud them.

Doesn't matter if a dude takes his fee back or thousands from a girl. Still a douche move. And they justify it because she is "just" a wh*re, well dude is a Wh*remonger AND a thief. At least one is working for her money.If you don't have the money get the fuck out the game. Wilmington is not that big, pretty damn small at that. I look forward to when that dude faces what he did.

[TheePhoenix]

OMFG! About a quarter of adverts on STG now have statements that a deposit is required. They pretty much state take it 0 r leave it or fuck off!

I mean must be that many dudes are paying upfront or these things wouldn't be growing, Are dudes this gullible?

I mean how do you pay a girl upfront when you are at Pt A and she is at Pt B? Best I can tell there is no way to send money anonymously.

So I guess LE sets up an online advert, gets you to break the law by talking sex for money and then gets you to "out" yourself by making a deposit, which reveals your real name. Maybe the future of stings will be showing up at your house at 4 AM, warrant in hand with the text proof and bank information to tie you to your email / text statements.

WOW.Too many guys think with their little head and not their big head.

Still waiting for one pay upfront / Venmo success story.

[Shampoo55]

My bad mr shampoo. I thought the pictures and phone number in the link were enough. Didn't see a name.

Fwiw it does appear to me that you're trying to be a smart ass. Everyone doesn't have to same experience at searching pics. My search didn't tell me anything for sure. Look forward to you follow up comment that I'm sure won't seen to be taken as a smart ass comment. Be safe.My Bad! I sent you a PM and hopefully we can work out any differences that way?

For newbies and/or lurkers, the picture I posted with the white top comes up with hits from another city (New England?) I use Google images for reverse image searches. Others use Tineye. Maybe there are others?

To answer the first part - pic and numbers in a advert. Yes, that could be enough. (perhaps some are not aware that STG blocks those who surf safely using a VPN, so just a link means those dudes can't see a number or pic in an advert. ) I all depends on how one wants to use the tool that is USASG. This can be just a site like "Ask" one off, anon Q&A.

Problem is that there are a whole bunch of posts like that and the replies all tend to say "she" or "her." Kinda hard to use any of the reviews in retrospect with no reference points. That's fine I guess, but traditionally the value of the site has been the history left behind. So a girl disappears and reemerges a few months later, the one thing that doesn't change is her face, tats and other physical attributes. Also with her name in the record others can do a search, find info and decide to see her. Otherwise, each member needs to sit here, click on external links and make sure they comment right away. So far, in our small state, doesn't look like answers come that fast.

As far as experience goes. I had to learn the hard way to use the experience of others on this site, rather than go through a few more scrapes. Nothing wrong with being ignorant (unknowledgeable) as education is the "cure!" Every time I think I know it all is when I tend to find trouble. There is so much collective knowledge here on "how to" it would be a shame to eschew that in favor of the "School of Hard Knocks. ".

But hey, everyone is free to use the "tool" here and contribute to the wealth of info left behind, or not. At least when asking for help, would it make sense to help people help you?

Happy Hunting! Stay safe!

[Chemistry1968]

What app do yall use / recommend for extracurricular texting? I'd like to avoid the burner phone route and bury an app with a different number on my regular phone.

[MDFootLover]

What app do yall use / recommend for extracurricular texting? I'd like to avoid the burner phone route and bury an app with a different number on my regular phone.I use one called Hushed.

[Chemistry1968]

I use one called Hushed.Thanks MDF. I'll look into it.

[BillyBadass12]

I use text free.

[JuananOnly]

What app do yall use / recommend for extracurricular texting? I'd like to avoid the burner phone route and bury an app with a different number on my regular phone.I have had apps crash or let numbers through in the past and I really recommend against it. Buying a cheap $20 flip phone with cash and some prepaid cards really goes a long way. Especially if you have a snooping old lady!

[PPJones]

I have had apps crash or let numbers through in the past and I really recommend against it. Buying a cheap $20 flip phone with cash and some prepaid cards really goes a long way. Especially if you have a snooping old lady!Yes. I don't have the need for high security like some of you do. But rest assured, if I did. I would take EVERY step necessary to cover my tracks. Burner phone, with all kinds of hidden gems. In a secret hidden spot. Even if a SO found it, no way to incriminate. Just a phone I found somewhere.

I remember a few years ago, I was getting a new truck, and it was a little different, so the hiding spot was yet tbd. I crushed that burner and stomped all over it, without hesitation. Lost a few numbers, but gained peace of mind. Be careful fellas. Heard someone's SO just caught them. Haven't heard what the judge said, yet. Hope she goes easy on him.

[Chemistry1968]

Yes. I don't have the need for high security like some of you do. But rest assured, if I did. I would take EVERY step necessary to cover my tracks. Burner phone, with all kinds of hidden gems. In a secret hidden spot. Even if a SO found it, no way to incriminate. Just a phone I found somewhere.

I remember a few years ago, I was getting a new truck, and it was a little different, so the hiding spot was yet tbd. I crushed that burner and stomped all over it, without hesitation. Lost a few numbers, but gained peace of mind. Be careful fellas. Heard someone's SO just caught them. Haven't heard what the judge said, yet. Hope she goes easy on him.Thanks PPJ and Juan. I was going with a burner kept at my work office. Since we transitioned to being remote 3 days a week, it is harder to get access. So I am hoping to find a secure alternative.

[Shampoo55]

Thanks PPJ and Juan. I was going with a burner kept at my work office. Since we transitioned to being remote 3 days a week, it is harder to get access. So I am hoping to find a secure alternative.One can always take short cuts, but in doing so one has to accept the responsibility of the risks involved.

I know a dude who was a great contributor here. We exchanged text #s and often traded RT intel on street girls or others we were dating. I use a burner and Google Voice. (another one is TextNow) He just used an app on his IRL phone. There would be times when a cell would drop him and when he called back using the app his IRL number came through. It happened quite frequently. Pretty much what OP mentioned below. So one needs to consider that when making a decision.

Second, the reason the dude is no longer with us is that while his wife was borrowing his phone, even though the app was disabled (numbers blocked) it let one of his dates calls through. Wifey talking to prostitute, you have been seeing, can be a VERY expensive mistake.

So from this chair it only makes sense to fully COMPARTMENTALIZE your IRL from your hobbying. Burner phone, app on the burner. Keeps you free from the scammers and blackmailers and provide safety from the SO snooping. So many things out there that not everyone thinks of but have seen happen that forms the basis of the opinion offered.

Oh and for goodness sake, turn off the location stuff on the burner phone. Only time I use it is when away from home or normal route and then to use GPS to find a place, but turn it off as soon as place is found.

Why not a hiding place for the burner? Inside tool bag next to the spare tire? What are the chances the SO is going to be changing a flat tire on YOUR car? Maybe a mechanic dropped it while servicing the car? Maybe you put it there in case of an accident where the regular phone was destroyed?

Everyone is free to manage risk as they see fit. YMMV.

[Shampoo55]

So dated a girl from a referral recently and she was skittish as heck! Had good reason to be as she had been recently attacked by some idiot who was trying to scam her and when she caught the scam and decided to get away the dude cut her. She had the stitches to prove the story.

Goes something like this. Dude offers the girl a "trade" of some drugs for a date. Lays a baggie of stuff on a dresser. Girl tells me the dude was giving her a bad vibe and the stuff on the dresser didn't look packaged like stuff she normally gets. So she trusts her instincts and decides to leave. Nothing worse than an idiot who's scam is discovered and his bluff called. Instead of letting her out, he grabs a knife and lunges at her. Caught her in the side, but she was able to record the attack on her phone and get out of there! Fortunately she was smart enough to call the police and hopefully dude gets locked up.

Girl was smart in going to the PD as she can take the charge for "solicitation" a misdemeanor versus the dude who is looking at real jail time on a felony. So anyone who things stuff like this is a good idea needs to see the bigger picture: Felony versus misdemeanor. Er, that is unless Wilm PD shrugs their shoulders and says, "what? A junkie wh*re got stabbed, she got what she deserved. " Hopefully our female AG is more attuned at stopping violence against women regardless of their profession or the background.

It just makes me sick to see stuff like this. That girl is someone's daughter, sister, cousin, niece, aunt, etc. You would not treat your sister, cousin, niece or aunt that way, why with a girl who is working for her money? Anyone who thinks a girl is "less than" because she is providing needs to look in the mirror- you are a wh*remonger, what makes you any better?

Most of these girls are good people inside, just caught in the vicious cycle of drugs. Oh sure there are a few scammers or girls who play games, but most are OK and deserve to be treated as you would want your sister treated. We can out the scammers on these boards, so guys can avoid them. But let's commit to treating ALL girls providing with respect! Don't be an idiot or a Delaware Douchebag!

stepping down off soapbox

[Shampoo55]

Should've known, there's never any talent in Middletown except for the AMP in town. This one tried the ol' cash and dash. She gets in my car, I hand her the $ and she takes me to a parking lot for carplay. Then she says she doesn't have protection on her but she left one in her car, tells me to drive her back to her. She then tries to get out of the car with my $, says she'll be right back. Yeah, no. Made her cough it up while she "went to her car," aka ran away and ghosted.

https://delaware.skipthegames.com/fe...n/447682082841I know it is terribly unfashionable and unPC to point out how monger could have operated differently, but it pisses me off when a dude makes a rookie mistake, when it can be easily avoided. I'll use this post as an example and hope OP understands my point is educating others on "how to" monger, rather than bashing!

Anyone dating from adverts on line could read the thread on "how to" approach dating, found here:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage&p=5347047#post5347047.

One of the rules there is #23, Never Pay Upfront! Shoot there are even techniques in a follow up post on how to avoid not paying up front! But hey, every month we see a dude write a report on how he got ripped off and 90% of the time it is from paying up front.

The more lukers pay up front and get scammed, the more these girls will pull this stuff. It is easy money. Why flatback with some dude when he will willingly hand over money? Same con with gas money up front, paying the baby sitter or a deposit. Just don't do it!

Huge props to OP for reporting the scam! Most wouldn't do that! Kudos.

[Shampoo55]

After reading this message five times. I still have no idea what you're trying to say. Except to state the fact that you know all their phone numbers.

But not knowing who's is who's but you know all the phone numbers.Oh look! My group of haters has emerged again!

Way back in Sept 2020, I posted pics of 3 girl in the Pic Thread. Several dudes, and this one was on of them, sent PMs wanting contact info. NONE of them offered a trade or even to trade, just had their hand out. I contacted the girls and asked if they wanted their numbers shared with dudes from here and to a girl EVERY ONE of them politely declined. I reported that declination to these dudes and since that time, those dudes ave been stalking me and jumping on any post they can. So I guess hatters got to hate!

It is sad and boring as we are all just here to help others find girls. There is no place for getting a hard-on for another dude. What good does that serve?

[Shampoo55]

But a simple phone call to the number to see if she answers and hear her voice would solve the problem. Most people forget the phone can actually make a phone call.

Assuming you using a burner phone or text app yourselves. If she doesn't answer or someone else answers just simply say sorry wrong number.Maybe you could reread that post 5 times?

I guess some have zero concept of OpSec, which is I guess fine. But intentionally ignoring stated risks IS a choice / approach of "risk management" in the hobby. From what I've read ignoring warnings didn't work out too well for Fun Times clientele.

But the simple A or B approach suggested misses a third real possibility. What if there is no answer? Then you don't have a simple answer. Now your burner or app is compromised or "burned!

Or if a female answers, how do you know that it is indeed Jaci? Could very well be an UCLE. Does everyone making the call know EXACTLY what Jaci sounds like on the phone? So yeah, go ahead, negotiate a sex-for-money date over the phone with whomever answers. Sigh.

But none-the-less, once you call that number you have exposed your phone number to whom ever is on the other end. Now your number is "known" and if LE, in their watch-list.

Hey life is about choices. One can chose to be careful or cavalier with their mongering. No right answer, just choices.

Good luck, stay safe!

[Jthinas]

Maybe you could reread that post 5 times?

I guess some have zero concept of OpSec, which is I guess fine. But intentionally ignoring stated risks IS a choice / approach of "risk management" in the hobby. From what I've read ignoring warnings didn't work out too well for Fun Times clientele.

But the simple A or B approach suggested misses a third real possibility. What if there is no answer? Then you don't have a simple answer. Now your burner or app is compromised or "burned!

Or if a female answers, how do you know that it is indeed Jaci? Could very well be an UCLE. Does everyone making the call know EXACTLY what Jaci sounds like on the phone? So yeah, go ahead, negotiate a sex-for-money date over the phone with whomever answers. Sigh.

But none-the-less, once you call that number you have exposed your phone number to whom ever is on the other end. Now your number is "known" and if LE, in their watch-list.

Hey life is about choices. One can chose to be careful or cavalier with their mongering. No right answer, just choices.
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Good luck, stay safe!Not bashing in anyway. There's many text apps out there to download. To get a decent answer from her download a new one use it once and be done with it. Don't use the normal app You use for regular contacts. Was just commenting that your message seem to be really long and drawn out for something that could be a much shorter simpler answer. Sorry if you took offense.

[J Richard]

Not bashing in anyway. There's many text apps out there to download. To get a decent answer from her download a new one use it once and be done with it. Don't use the normal app You use for regular contacts. Was just commenting that your message seem to be really long and drawn out for something that could be a much shorter simpler answer. Sorry if you took offense.I been around this for maybe just a little while. Back in the early days before the internet you were prtetty much on your own. Yeah there were publications in Philly the City Paper and Welcomat that had ads for girls, escort service companies, and AMP's in the back of the paper. There were some real gems in there, or cruised the known areas. My first introduction to AMP's was back in the early 90's.

But with the cruising in two states (locally) came with two arrests. One I shouldn't have been. Stopped at a light and the womens yells, If I'm looking for a date. I said No I only have, (stated the dollar amount) and the next thing I knew a Badge was slapped on the windshield with hairy arm / hand and a gun at my head with the other hand. It was a UC operation. They took me a parking lot, got my info, took a polariod of me, gave me a ticket and left. I didn't have to appear.

The other. I rolled up on a women we had a discussion, I pulled away, then was red lighted. In that instance, I was put in the back of a wagon with 8 others, taken to the District, locked in a cell, for a few (6) hours and given a date to appear (a month later). Let out at 5 am vehicle was left in a lot on the other side of town. No money, the cops kept it (Rizzo style policing still continued in the city) Yes, it was a summory offense. Yes, paperwork was mailed several times to my house. I don't remember all of the charges but two were traffic, obstruction of right of way or something like that. Entered No Contest, paid and left.

The point is, I don't know with today and the internet, the Crime Blotters being posted and readily available, Police Nixle alerts and posts, etc. , along with the drama (drugs and boyfriend) and risks associated with her, why in the world would she even be considered or continued to be option / discussed?

Had this forum been avaialble back then, maybe I would never received the paper or the expereince of a Philly lock up. But I do know to minimize my risks and exposure, and do the homework. Risks VS Rewards, Little Head VS Big Head, some judgmemts get clouded at times.

[Shampoo55]

I been around this for maybe just a little while. Back in the early days before the internet you were prtetty much on your own. Yeah there were publications in Philly the City Paper and Welcomat that had ads for girls, escort service companies, and AMP's in the back of the paper. There were some real gems in there, or cruised the known areas. My first introduction to AMP's was back in the early 90's.

But with the cruising in two states (locally) came with two arrests. One I shouldn't have been. Stopped at a light and the womens yells, If I'm looking for a date. I said No I only have, (stated the dollar amount) and the next thing I knew a Badge was slapped on the windshield with hairy arm / hand and a gun at my head with the other hand. It was a UC operation. They took me a parking lot, got my info, took a polariod of me, gave me a ticket and left. I didn't have to appear.

The other. I rolled up on a women we had a discussion, I pulled away, then was red lighted. In that instance, I was put in the back of a wagon with 8 others, taken to the District, locked in a cell, for a few (6) hours and given a date to appear (a month later). Let out at 5 am vehicle was left in a lot on the other side of town. No money, the cops kept it (Rizzo style policing still continued in the city) Yes, it was a summory offense. Yes, paperwork was mailed several times to my house. I don't remember all of the charges but two were traffic, obstruction of right of way or something like that. Entered No Contest, paid and left.

The point is, I don't know with today and the internet, the Crime Blotters being posted and readily available, Police Nixle alerts and posts, etc. , along with the drama (drugs and boyfriend) and risks associated with her, why in the world would she even be considered or continued to be option / discussed?

Had this forum been avaialble back then, maybe I would never received the paper or the expereince of a Philly lock up. But I do know to minimize my risks and exposure, and do the homework. Risks VS Rewards, Little Head VS Big Head, some judgmemts get clouded at times.J Richard thanks for sharing your "learning experiences!" Much appreciated. There are ways to learn (experientially & "book learning") and it stinks when one gets the hits that go with the former, bad experiences. After all the point of these threads is to share info so that others can hopefully learn from those who went before and avoid many of the bad things that can happen. Your post does that quite well and it takes guts to share such, kudos.

But what appears sad to this chair, is that there appears to be many out there with the exuberance of youth, a severe lack of knowledge and cavalier attitude toward learning from history or others. That's OK, I guess, but frustrating to see. I don't want to see anyone have the kind of learning experiences you found. I suspect that had the 'net been around and "the rules" available one would have avoided both of those situations.

My perception, right or wrong, is that with the internet generation, style and form outweighs substance. If one doesn't like the style of the presentation: too wordy, long, or something else, then even though the advice might be what one needs to learn, the advice is ignored. That's sad, but the person doing that is cheating them self. Failing to learn from others because they have a 'hard-on' for the style or person. Learned long ago that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink and you can provide information from hard won experiences but many will just ignore it because they know better (hubris) or "it's easy" or they have discounted the info due to personal animus or dislike of style. But that shouldn't stop anyone from trying or providing insight, advice or experiences.

But your last two paragraphs hit the nail on the head. The scenario presented has a level of risk that is unacceptable to most. Sure there will be a dude or two that thinks they can outsmart the system, and maybe get away with it for a while. Stuff works until it doesn't. So thanks for jumping in and sharing and perhaps your words will hit the target.

[Shampoo55]

Not bashing in anyway. There's many text apps out there to download. To get a decent answer from her download a new one use it once and be done with it. Don't use the normal app You use for regular contacts. Was just commenting that your message seem to be really long and drawn out for something that could be a much shorter simpler answer. Sorry if you took offense.Titling your post "Long Winded" when you have a recent history of animus with this chair sure comes across as "bashing". Perhaps you don't like long posts or don't have the patience to read through them? The detail is an attempt to show the risk and educate, apparently that attempt has fallen short.

But responses like that are why I go into so much detail. There are things to learn in the hobby to stay safe. I have had enough scrapes over time to know that it is always prudent to be on ones toes. When something appears "risky" or sets off the Spidey Senses, then IMHO it is time to move on. There are plenty of girls available, so no need to take extra risks. I'd rather go home with blue balls than take a risk and end up with drama, danger or a record. So I try to share my experiences, however long winded they maybe, in the hope that others can avoid "bad experiences." Everyone is free to ignore the advice of others and build up "knowledge" through bad experiences and The School of Hard Knocks.

But why would I want to go to all of the trouble of getting a separate app number for ONE particular SW girl? I mean, yeah, your right it CAN be done. But why? If I really wanted to date Jaci I could just scoop her off the strolls. Why would I poke the bear by responding to that advert now that the number is likely compromised? Too much risk in this evaluation.

So just because one "CAN" do something, doesn't mean that they should. Every time I have found drama, trouble or "learning experiences" in the hobby have been times when I thought I was smarter than the rules, tried to "make something work" or let my little head lead. In my experience, this is one of those situations. Let sleeping dogs lie.

Everyone make choices on how they handle risk.

Good luck!

[PinHead11]

Longwinded- really? I call it a guy (s) who cares enough to take the time to try to help someone else not make a mistake that may cost him dearly. J RIchard 3 posts back explains how things turn ugly real quick.

Shampoo - (and many others) have been more than helpful to me. Thanks to you all for your insight and advise.

PH.

[MorganT]

Longwinded- really? I call it a guy (s) who cares enough to take the time to try to help someone else not make a mistake that may cost him dearly. J RIchard 3 posts back explains how things turn ugly real quick.

Shampoo - (and many others) have been more than helpful to me. Thanks to you all for your insight and advise.

PH.Thanks for offering the help here. No one is obligated to take the time to read it. But LE does require one to spend time and listen and acknowledge they understand their rights after they are told..........
Everyone can spend their time as they wish.

[Shampoo55]

Chrissy called me up and I told her I was out of town. I gave her a proposition to do. I asked her to make a video of her blowing someone and I don't want to see his face just her doing it and taking the nut and let it drop. She said fine and I cash app's her $ and she said I won't forget. Guess what she ducked me. My fault for trusting her. I thought it would be hot to watch while I was out of town with her sexiness going down on someone. Oh well screw with the guys who take care of you they won't be coming your way when word gets out you can't be trusted. I have another SW that'll do it for me.Sorry for your bad experience, stinks when one loses funds however it happens! Also stings when one goes, " DOH! What was I thinking?" been there, done that so I know what yer feeling!

That's not something I would do these days. Pay any money to a SW girl up front. Did that with a girl a couple of times: gave her funds to go cop and come back. Surprise, surprise she never came back! And I did it with her twice! LOL. So yeah, when I say "no money up front, ever", to a girl there is bad experience behind that statement! Fool me once....

These girls on drugs have no stability in their lives. They could get your funds and get jumped and robbed on the way to the Candyman. Perhaps her phone was stolen or broken? Maybe she got a free trip to Club Baylor by our buddies? Then again, they get their candy and the stuff these days is STRONG (supplemented with horse tranquilizer) and they just plain nod off and forget everything that went before. So any number of reasons why a girl doesn't follow through.

Best advice is to NEVER give a girl money upfront!

Sorry again.

[Shampoo55]

It looks like "educating" guys is a lost cause. Too many Simps that think the hobby is easy, don't negotiate, pay full list price, over pay for inferior service and refuse to use the boards to ask questions and "how to" and the whole industry has degraded.

But who is going to educate the girls? If guys say "Yes!" to everything, how are they going to "get it?

I mean I have run into several girls with adverts with no naked pics on the advert. Oh I get it, they want to be private or they want to sell content. But when texting they need to send at least one naked pic. I guess many don't understand that LE is not suppose to use porno and sending a dude a pic of naked breasts usually is a way to distinguish a girl from a sting. Just because a girl has "never heard of" some technique a dude uses, doesn't mean one should violate OpSec and not ask for it. But apparently dudes race to go see girls without verifying their status.

So two recent examples are the girls who go by "Snow" and "cubofficia" on KA.

https://www.kittyads.com/ad-1992297-Looking+for+a+good+time+call+Snow.

https://www.kittyads.com/ad-1992405-Text+me+on+3023145653+if+you're+down+for+sex+hook+up.

So who is going to educate these girls? Just a small change to help dudes be safe, shouldn't be too much to ask? Then again, perhaps these are LE or NGO stings?

[Big Grip]

It looks like "educating" guys is a lost cause. Too many Simps that think the hobby is easy, don't negotiate, pay full list price, over pay for inferior service and refuse to use the boards to ask questions and "how to" and the whole industry has degraded.

But who is going to educate the girls? If guys say "Yes!" to everything, how are they going to "get it?

I mean I have run into several girls with adverts with no naked pics on the advert. Oh I get it, they want to be private or they want to sell content. But when texting they need to send at least one naked pic. I guess many don't understand that LE is not suppose to use porno and sending a dude a pic of naked breasts usually is a way to distinguish a girl from a sting. Just because a girl has "never heard of" some technique a dude uses, doesn't mean one should violate OpSec and not ask for it. But apparently dudes race to go see girls without verifying their status.

So two recent examples are the girls who go by "Snow" and "cubofficia" on KA.

https://www.kittyads.com/ad-1992297-Looking+for+a+good+time+call+Snow.

https://www.kittyads.com/ad-1992405-Text+me+on+3023145653+if+you're+down+for+sex+hook+up.

So who is going to educate these girls? Just a small change to help dudes be safe, shouldn't be too much to ask? Then again, perhaps these are LE or NGO stings?The pic is of snow and her sister. I have seen both at different times but not together. Overall excellent dates.

Regular street prices not escorts prices.

[J Richard]

The pic is of snow and her sister. I have seen both at different times but not together. Overall excellent dates.

Regular street prices not escorts prices.The first ad with two girls looks like Hailey, I could be wrong.

I was lead to believe she passed. In the past year it was reproted that there some "questionable" tranactions that occurred.

Here is a link from better days gone by.

https://escortindex.com/large/delaware/443-466-6826/1/16935?img=0

[Big Grip]

The first ad with two girls looks like Hailey, I could be wrong.

I was lead to believe she passed. In the past year it was reproted that there some "questionable" tranactions that occurred.

Here is a link from better days gone by.

https://escortindex.com/large/delaware/443-466-6826/1/16935?img=0Yes that's Hailey. Never had a problem with her but YMMV.

[J Richard]

Yes that's Hailey. Never had a problem with her but YMMV.You are correct and I gave a heads up on the board sometime ago about two locations she was at in Philly and the "people" or type of people who handle "operations" associated with Blvd and PL locations and possibly her.

[BillyBadass12]

Snows name on Facebook is [Deleted by Admin]. She is real. From the elkton area originally.

Don't ever put out somebodies real name.

A2

[BillyBadass12]

Picture of snow if you wanted to know what she looked like. I have more as well. I have not had a chance to see her yet but I have talked to her.

[Shampoo55]

Picture of snow if you wanted to know what she looked like. I have more as well. I have not had a chance to see her yet but I have talked to her.Thanks to all for the replies on Snow! Appreciate the link to the professional pics of Hailey!

BTW- how did you get a naked pic of her if you haven't seen her? LOL {how about posting some in the Pic Thread? She refused to send one or I would have dated her. Someone needs to "clue her in" that sending a naked pic demonstrates that she isn't LE. She's never heard of it, so I guess all those that have seen her before have not requested such?

Sorry that was my point, guess I wasn't clear. My bad! She sure didn't quote street level prices, BTW! LOL.

BTW- what is Snow's sister's name?

Thanks again to all!

[BillyBadass12]

Thanks to all for the replies on Snow! Appreciate the link to the professional pics of Hailey!

BTW- how did you get a naked pic of her if you haven't seen her? LOL {how about posting some in the Pic Thread? She refused to send one or I would have dated her. Someone needs to "clue her in" that sending a naked pic demonstrates that she isn't LE. She's never heard of it, so I guess all those that have seen her before have not requested such?

Sorry that was my point, guess I wasn't clear. My bad! She sure didn't quote street level prices, BTW! LOL.

BTW- what is Snow's sister's name?

Thanks again to all!So my system for knowing girls are not LE is I send them $5 for naked pictures. This does 2 things for me. One I know they are not LE and second all of them have their real names on cash app so that allows me to look them up on Facebook or other social media. She also quoted me 100 for ss but I was able to get her to agree to 65 but when it was time for me to meet she must have passed out for the day.

[Shampoo55]

So my system for knowing girls are not LE is I send them $5 for naked pictures. This does 2 things for me. One I know they are not LE and second all of them have their real names on cash app so that allows me to look them up on Facebook or other social media. She also quoted me 100 for ss but I was able to get her to agree to 65 but when it was time for me to meet she must have passed out for the day.Hey, thanks for sharing that additional info. Good to know. Seems like OP dated her at street rates and that 65 isn't that far off that level. That's better than what I was quoted!

BUT er, um, ah, How does that $5 pic stuff work? Seems like the CashApp thingie would go both ways? She shows her real name and you reveal yours?

Eh, maybe I'm old school and think that if the girl is in bidness she needs to do the things she needs to do to be in bidness. Sending ONE nude pic to verify who you are NOT seems reasonable. While I know sending $5 for pics as proof IS a way to do things, it seems to me to set a new bar that many girls will expect. Next thing you know it will be 100% - Buy my content in order to get a date with me. While all of that may work and IS a solution, it rubs me the wrong way in the "no money up front" genre.

Also, I would worry that sending money up front for pics "could" get me labeled as a mark. Girl gets a few bucks for next to no work and thus is willing to negotiate any price cause she knows she is going to ghost me. Since these girls always seem to room with each other or do doubles, seems like getting labeled would be a bad thing. Aren't women more sociable than guys and thus one could expect more sharing?

I dunno, just have a different view of things. But hey adaptation in the hobby is always a good thing.

Stay safe and thanks again for the info!

[BillyBadass12]

Hey, thanks for sharing that additional info. Good to know. Seems like OP dated her at street rates and that 65 isn't that far off that level. That's better than what I was quoted!

BUT er, um, ah, How does that $5 pic stuff work? Seems like the CashApp thingie would go both ways? She shows her real name and you reveal yours?

Eh, maybe I'm old school and think that if the girl is in bidness she needs to do the things she needs to do to be in bidness. Sending ONE nude pic to verify who you are NOT seems reasonable. While I know sending $5 for pics as proof IS a way to do things, it seems to me to set a new bar that many girls will expect. Next thing you know it will be 100% - Buy my content in order to get a date with me. While all of that may work and IS a solution, it rubs me the wrong way in the "no money up front" genre.

Also, I would worry that sending money up front for pics "could" get me labeled as a mark. Girl gets a few bucks for next to no work and thus is willing to negotiate any price cause she knows she is going to ghost me. Since these girls always seem to room with each other or do doubles, seems like getting labeled would be a bad thing. Aren't women more sociable than guys and thus one could expect more sharing?

I dunno, just have a different view of things. But hey adaptation in the hobby is always a good thing.

Stay safe and thanks again for the info!So I know I should not send them money as it makes it harder for the next guy. But with cash app I was able to put a fake name in so they don't get my real information. Sometimes I will only send them 2. 50 till I get the pictures and then I will send the other 2. 50 LOL but I agree they all should be sending out a nude picture to make the person feel safe that they are not LE. It was kinda my way of making sure the girl is real, I like what she looks like, and it's a simple way to possibly get her real name so I can do more digging.

[WeatherMan2]

The pic is of snow and her sister. I have seen both at different times but not together. Overall excellent dates.

Regular street prices not escorts prices.I texted snow a few weeks ago when I saw the ad on kitty ads. She quoted 100 for a short session. Told her I can't do that. I asked if she had a BJ only special. She said "rates are for my time not my performance" its just gotten outrageous anymore.

[Big Grip]

I texted snow a few weeks ago when I saw the ad on kitty ads. She quoted 100 for a short session. Told her I can't do that. I asked if she had a BJ only special. She said "rates are for my time not my performance" its just gotten outrageous anymore.It sucks when a SW gets a room and advertises. The rates always go up.

[J Richard]

So my system for knowing girls are not LE is I send them $5 for naked pictures. This does 2 things for me. One I know they are not LE and second all of them have their real names on cash app so that allows me to look them up on Facebook or other social media. She also quoted me 100 for ss but I was able to get her to agree to 65 but when it was time for me to meet she must have passed out for the day.1. It is not illegal for LE to use or send a nude picture. It is illegal for pornograpic content.

2. Must be of legal age and consent to using picture for the intended purpose. Now the prosecutor in the area may or may not approve and that is another issue. Hell, the girl can be legit and now working with them. So your logic may amke you feel comfortable, but that is it.

3. If you show up at a location, not go inside or follow through, in some areas they still can bring charges, if they don't stick you still have the hassle as well as paper on you.

4. I was told Hailey has passed. Has anyone actually laid eyes on her in the past few weeks? ? ?

[Shampoo55]

So I recently met Britt throw the girl Marie. They were selling content together. Which both girls had great content for sale. They're the only two I have sent money to upfront for content and received exactly what I was supposed to no games or bs. Very cute girls. I inquired about a 2 girl with them and they were down. It was 200 for the hhr, they didn't have a room yet and asked if I'd send the donation upfront and I agreed and not long after I received a message with room details. That almost never happens with anyone on the sites. Anyways I arrived and they were there waiting, looking amazing and the services were extraordinary and it was an awesome 3 way experience. I definitely recommend both girls (together or separate for a easy set up and a honestly great time.I think this dude should have bought a lottery ticket!

This idea of sending $$$ upfront is just crazy. While it may work this one time, the next 9 times the dude is going to be posting in the Rip-off section.

Oh and dudes are paying for content as a pretext to dating girls? Huh? That's not necessary, just a new scam creeping into the hobby fueled by guys who are willing to be used. Why should a girl go to face to face real meets when some Simp will send them $ for pics. Is Forest Gump a reality?

Newbies should read & learn "the rules!

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage

Then again, since mongering is "easy" it's probably better for some to pay some tuition in the School of Mongering, get arrested or have their SO find their hobby. After all "book learning" is boring!

[Shampoo55]

There are many reasons a girl can end up on a dude's "No Fly List".

Might be she is a scammer. Maybe she ripped the dude off: did a cash & dash. Maybe her BF attacked the monger. Perhaps she is a CI for LE. Perhaps she is dealing and always has something on her. Maybe she was so strung out on drugs she passed out. Maybe she tried to upsell the monger after the job was done? Maybe she got upset and kicking in the side of the dudes car. Perhaps a girl has another issue?

But if you flat out ignore the fact that some other dude has placed a girl on his "No Fly List," then you are lining yourself up for trouble. Oh sure, there are times when personalities clash, or a dude is jealous or someone tries to keep a girl to himself. But those are rare. SO, if you think that, then you should PM the poster and ask why he placed a girl on the NFL.

The old saying, "ignorance is bliss" sure doesn't apply here. Not knowing WHY a girl has been labeled NFL can be dangerous in more ways than one. Ignoring an NFL label just isn't a wise move.

Stay safe!

[J Richard]

There are many reasons a girl can end up on a dude's "No Fly List".

Might be she is a scammer. Maybe she ripped the dude off: did a cash & dash. Maybe her BF attacked the monger. Perhaps she is a CI for LE. Perhaps she is dealing and always has something on her. Maybe she was so strung out on drugs she passed out. Maybe she tried to upsell the monger after the job was done? Maybe she got upset and kicking in the side of the dudes car. Perhaps a girl has another issue?

But if you flat out ignore the fact that some other dude has placed a girl on his "No Fly List," then you are lining yourself up for trouble. Oh sure, there are times when personalities clash, or a dude is jealous or someone tries to keep a girl to himself. But those are rare. SO, if you think that, then you should PM the poster and ask why he placed a girl on the NFL.

The old saying, "ignorance is bliss" sure doesn't apply here. Not knowing WHY a girl has been labeled NFL can be dangerous in more ways than one. Ignoring an NFL label just isn't a wise move.

Stay safe!It this the exact same post as before?

Old Timers Setting In? Or am I screwed up and incorrect?

But either way, it's worth noting.

And as I said before, many of those that relocated from the Claymont area to Elkton did so not out of economics but for legal reasons, or in some instances many legal reasons.

So in the past I talked about variopus resources such as VL.

Here is another, but only good if you know the name (s) they same with VL.

Many of us do know some of their names so it can be helpful, or knowing how to use the information (both VL and this together).

Court dates, if they disappear on vacation, adding money to their account and the list goes on.

https://pubsrv.deljis.delaware.gov/WantedPublic/Default.aspx

[Shampoo55]

So I get a DM from a dude. Go to open it up and it has a "Read Receipt" attached to it! WTF! Then it is some dude with a VERY low post count (2) that has his hand out wanting info on a girl I posted about. He is apparently "entitled" as he doesn't offer anything in return for the gem I developed. Oh and he challenges my veracity, I guess, in a feeble attempt to make me feel "challenged" and want to spill the beans to "prove" my report! Sigh. Must have flunked the "Dale Carnegie" course?

So kind Sir, YOU are the reason for this RANT!

So WTF is up with using a "read receipt?" I guess some don't understand this is just plain BAD FORM! What is so important in the monger world as to REQUIRE a read receipt??? A Guy either reads your PM and responds or doesn't. What does adding a "read receipt" do for you? You some kind of LE that needs to make certain that your note was read? LOL While you CAN use that feature it is considered very bad form. Lesson #1.

Next, this dude appears to be questioning my veracity about what I got from a girl. SERIOUSLY? You are calling me a LIAR and then you want me to help and provide info? That technique doesn't work here! -100! To think what I found / developed was rare, just shows the level of inexperience the dude has. Learn to play the game and then one can develop gems and rates on their own. Or be a Simp and pay list price to any girl that catches your eye.

Second, I have been mongering for years and spent A LOT of time posting and in learning the hobby. This dude has 2 posts? He sent me an email request for help with a gem I found & developed and offered nothing in return. What's up with THAT? Dudes that have their hands out are just TAKERS! No contributions to the community, yet wants something for free! It isn't even clear if the dude has any experience to offer anything!

EDIT: Has one post where dude sent money upfront to a girl and then she asked for more before she'd give her address! Then he's warning about a rip-off! LOL!

Been around these boards long enough that I have seen WAY too many dudes with their hand out that have nothing to offer and are just TAKERS. You want private info? Have something to offer in return. PLUS you need some cred on the site. Two posts don't cut it! Go see some girls and provide some DETAILED reports of your experience. Details such that guys that have seen her can verify a true story. That's how it works here. CONTRIBUTE! It's that simple.

I dunno, maybe others are willing to be pimped for info with no expectation of anything in return. This chair has done enough charity work and continue to provide info, so clearly I've done my part. What part have you done?

I have talked to many mongers on here, and many don't post reviews of the UTR or near UTR girls anymore because there is always some dude who thinks he's entitled to the info without providing anything in return nor contributing to the community. Then they get hostile or angry because they didn't get what they asked for.

Go see some girls, post reports, contribute to the community, build some cred.

I'm just saying.

To the many lurking dudes out there:

If you are an experienced monger and haven't contributed, then get off yer azz and be part of the community.

If you are new, then go on the threads and ask for advice on "how to" and learn how to play this game safely. No shame in being uneducated, that can be cured.

Good luck!

[J Richard]

So I get a DM from a dude. Go to open it up and it has a "Read Receipt" attached to it! WTF! Then it is some dude with a VERY low post count (2) that has his hand out wanting info on a girl I posted about. He is apparently "entitled" as he doesn't offer anything in return for the gem I developed. Oh and he challenges my veracity, I guess, in a feeble attempt to make me feel "challenged" and want to spill the beans to "prove" my report! Sigh. Must have flunked the "Dale Carnegie" course?

So kind Sir, YOU are the reason for this RANT!

So WTF is up with using a "read receipt?" I guess some don't understand this is just plain BAD FORM! What is so important in the monger world as to REQUIRE a read receipt??? A Guy either reads your PM and responds or doesn't. What does adding a "read receipt" do for you? You some kind of LE that needs to make certain that your note was read? LOL While you CAN use that feature it is considered very bad form. Lesson #1.

Next, this dude appears to be questioning my veracity about what I got from a girl. SERIOUSLY? You are calling me a LIAR and then you want me to help and provide info? That technique doesn't work here! -100! To think what I found / developed was rare, just shows the level of inexperience the dude has. Learn to play the game and then one can develop gems and rates on their own. Or be a Simp and pay list price to any girl that catches your eye.

Second, I have been mongering for years and spent A LOT of time posting and in learning the hobby. This dude has 2 posts? He sent me an email request for help with a gem I found & developed and offered nothing in return. What's up with THAT? Dudes that have their hands out are just TAKERS! It isn't even clear if the dude has any experience to offer anything!

EDIT: Has one post where dude sent money upfront to a girl and then she asked for more before she'd give her address! Then he's warning about a rip-off! LOL!

Been around these boards long enough that I have seen WAY too many dudes with their hand out that have nothing to offer and are just TAKERS. You want private info? Have something to offer in return. PLUS you need some cred on the site. Two posts don't cut it! Go see some girls and provide some DETAILED reports of your experience. Details such that guys that have seen her can verify a true story. That's how it works here. CONTRIBUTE! It's that simple.

I dunno, maybe others are willing to be pimped for info with no expectation of anything in return. This chair has done enough charity work and continue to provide info, so clearly I've done my part. What part have you done?

I have talked to many mongers on here, and many don't post reviews of the UTR or near UTR girls anymore because there is always some dude who thinks he's entitled to the info without providing anything in return nor contributing to the community. Then they get hostile or angry because they didn't get what they asked for.

Go see some girls, post reports, contribute to the community, build some cred.

I'm just saying. To the many lurking dudes out there:

If you are an experienced monger and haven't contributed, then get off yer azz and be part of the community.

If you are new, then go on the threads and ask for advice on "how to" and learn how to play this game safely. No shame in being uneducated, that can be cured.

Good luck!It is becoming more and more common both in private messages or openly in the forum.

There was one last week or two that provides a review of a SW, no location. Then wants to trade info where she "might" be found.

Seriously, someone that can change locations in ten minutes or disappear for ten days.

Then collect legit information of girls, while possibly providing a ghost location.

RR's that's occasional. But those that do are persistant, sometime rerentless and ask too many details.

[Shampoo55]

So I get a DM from a dude. Go to open it up and it has a "Read Receipt" attached to it! WTF! Then it is some dude with a VERY low post count (2) that has his hand out wanting info on a girl I posted about. He is apparently "entitled" as he doesn't offer anything in return for the gem I developed. Oh and he challenges my veracity, I guess, in a feeble attempt to make me feel "challenged" and want to spill the beans to "prove" my report! Sigh. Must have flunked the "Dale Carnegie" course?

So kind Sir, YOU are the reason for this RANT!

So I got a reply from this "dude". Instead of being contrite, he was accusatory and snotty. I guess I called it right. ENTITLED!

Got offended that I suggested he participate in the threads and build some cred in order to get info? LOL.

Look dude! You were wrong.

Why don't you earn some cred on the boards, by posting some reviews? Yes! A lot of guys here think sharing info on UTR girls IS "sacrosanct!" Why should anyone GIVE you info for free that cost us time, energy, risk and experience? Why just because you ASKED and are entitled?

Some of the point is that there are a lot of numbnuts that treat girls badly and IF one sends a dude (douche) to a girl and the douche is a bad date for the girl, then the guy who sent the douche to the girl could lose the girl and lose a regular.

So you proved my point of not sharing, you come off like a douchebag, assh*le, jerk and then got angry! So no doubt would be one that fucks up my relationship with a gem. But NO! My bad, you asked and are 'entitled"! LOL!

You want something from someone and this is your approach? Me thinks you should ask for your money back from the Dale Carnegie Course!

So don't waste your time asking, spend it on learning, getting an education and posting experiences here. That's how simple it works!

So stop being a douchebag with you hand out, contribute something, join the community be part of the solution, not the ugly side of the hobby.

Has anyone guessed yet who this dude is?

[WeatherMan2]

So I got a reply from this "dude". Instead of being contrite, he was accusatory and snotty. I guess I called it right. ENTITLED!

Got offended that I suggested he participate in the threads and build some cred in order to get info? LOL.

Look dude! You were wrong.

Why don't you earn some cred on the boards, by posting some reviews? Yes! A lot of guys here think sharing info on UTR girls IS "sacrosanct!" Why should anyone GIVE you info for free that cost us time, energy, risk and experience? Why just because you ASKED and are entitled?

Some of the point is that there are a lot of numbnuts that treat girls badly and IF one sends a dude (douche) to a girl and the douche is a bad date for the girl, then the guy who sent the douche to the girl could lose the girl and lose a regular.

So you proved my point of not sharing, you come off like a douchebag, assh*le, jerk and then got angry! So no doubt would be one that fucks up my relationship with a gem. But NO! My bad, you asked and are 'entitled"! LOL!

You want something from someone and this is your approach? Me thinks you should ask for your money back from the Dale Carnegie Course!

So don't waste your time asking, spend it on learning, getting an education and posting experiences here. That's how simple it works!

So stop being a douchebag with you hand out, contribute something, join the community be part of the solution, not the ugly side of the hobby.

Has anyone guessed yet who this dude is?No guesses, and who cares? Based off proir experiences I'm going to assume everything your ranting about what this guy said or did is exaggerated by you.

[LuvARub88]

No guesses, and who cares? Based off proir experiences I'm going to assume everything your ranting about what this guy said or did is exaggerated by you.Weatherman. Its always tempting to jump in. But it just doesn't pay off in the end. Like water on the Gremlins. And feeding trolls. Just say no. Stay out of this thread. I got caught up in it too at one time.

I'm sure that he is an Olympic gold medalist in the purchase of pussy. Some advice is valid. But its like drinking an ocean in hopes of getting a cup of tap water.

Good luck.

[Shampoo55]

So I note that just about EVERY website that allows girls to advertise, everyone now has ADDED warnings about scams.

Paying money upfront

- Sending money via some electronic method.

- buying a gift card and sending the number.

- Paying the girl before your meal is served.

Getting scammed is easy to avoid if one follows the rules! So am amazed that so many get caught up in this.

Is this because there is a new crop of mongers that are short on experience or knowledge? Too afraid to ask "how to" questions?

The point of these threads is to help guys find girls and part of that is learning how to hobby safely. So asking questions is a good way to avoid the scams.

[Shampoo55]

So the Douche of the week goes to the dude in a white Audi sedan with PA tags. This dude pulled up to blonde haired Nancy, rolled down the passenger window, leaned over and was negotiating a date through the car window! This while traffic was backing up behind him. No subtlety about what he was doing.

I mean do these dudes even think? Or the have no clue about "the rules?

22 Rules for Street Mongering | 19 Rules for Street Walkers | Streetwalker Rules by Piker


http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules

While ignorance may be bliss, in this hobby ignorance like that will get you a record.

[John HandCock]

So the Douche of the week goes to the dude in a white Audi sedan with PA tags. This dude pulled up to blonde haired Nancy, rolled down the passenger window, leaned over and was negotiating a date through the car window! This while traffic was backing up behind him. No subtlety about what he was doing.

I mean do these dudes even think? Or the have no clue about "the rules?

22 Rules for Street Mongering | 19 Rules for Street Walkers | Streetwalker Rules by Piker


http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules

While ignorance may be bliss, in this hobby ignorance like that will get you a record.Lmao, come on man. Where was you in this line? Close enough to see plates so just sounds like sour grapes he got there first. But your right when stuff like this will get a lot of 911 calls.

[Shampoo55]

Lmao, come on man. Where was you in this line? Close enough to see plates so just sounds like sour grapes he got there first. But your right when stuff like this will get a lot of 911 calls.LOL! Seriously? You thought it was useful for you to create your first post into DE this year (maybe ever?) and spout off with some douchey comment? Not enough action in the Carolinas that you feel the need to stir the pot in DE? Or was that you I seen and yer pissed about that?

No sour grapes here whatsoever, I have dated Nancy in the past and she is on my 'no fly list. ' Even IF I had been in position #1 I would not have stopped for Nancy. Do you even know anything about the Wilm SW scene?

I hope the disparaging comment is not discounting the technique used and saying it was wise to negotiate a date through the car window? Where this occurred is where I have seen unmarked LE sitting watching the stroll. PLUS this is the area where neighborhood watches have rallied LE action.

The dude who had the conversation with a SW through the car window was an idiot, plain and simple. But hey, if anyone wants to do business like that, be my guest. Hope their job and family situation can withstand the consequences!

I get it, most dudes here are just out for them self and think FU to the other guy! I guess those types will never understand nor appreciate the altruistic nature of this chair. When I started, guys here taught me so much. I'm trying to pay that forward. Sigh.

Pic is Nancy, but she has dyed blonde hair now.

[Shampoo55]

Eh, a couple of recent incidences have reminded me about the need for patience when mongering. I guess, personally it highlights some progress too.

You see years ago I use to get pretty worked up while mongering: girls never on time, ghosting girls, mo response to texts, callls or emails, hitting the streets when really worked up and using 3/4 of a tank of gas and not seeing anything at all, GPS girls, fakes, flakes and many other "stuff" that happens in the hobby. But I guess someone must have snuck a can of patience into my chow as this "stuff" still happens, I just don't get too excited by it anymore.

I mean if you are fishing the streets or dealing with drug users online, I had to learn what "hooker time" is / was. Because of the drugs these girls can't keep time. "I'll be right there," really means, I'll get around to it in an hour of so.

Then of course there are the girls who post and advert, but NEVER respond to a text or call or respond to a few and then go ghost. Shoot even the ones who date you, but can't be found again.

On days off I frequently spend a fair amount of time looking through adverts on various posting sites. I never go for just one as that is guaranteed failure or frustration. So I might do DD on a dozen or two posts: GI pic searches, number searches, looking through previous contacts, searching these threads. It takes A LOT of time and energy.

Then of course there are the contacts, perhaps getting a reply. Then the process of discovering the girl doesn't "do" BB BJ. Yeah, FRUSTRATING! Why can't they just put that in their advert? Finding the rate, menu and then hosting situation or openness to car date or quick trip to The Crown. All takes time and has many places for pitfalls. I mean I use to think, his would be easy as the girls were in business and would treat it as such. Took a while for me to realize unless it was the top end girls, not so much.

So yeah, many places and situations for things to not work out and for frustration. I learned to just keep stepping up to the plate and swinging. It isn't always going to work, but with time and patience it works out.

I'm sure others have similar experiences.

[PPJones]

Eh, a couple of recent incidences have reminded me about the need for patience when mongering. I guess, personally it highlights some progress too.

You see years ago I use to get pretty worked up while mongering: girls never on time, ghosting girls, mo response to texts, callls or emails, hitting the streets when really worked up and using 3/4 of a tank of gas and not seeing anything at all, GPS girls, fakes, flakes and many other "stuff" that happens in the hobby. But I guess someone must have snuck a can of patience into my chow as this "stuff" still happens, I just don't get too excited by it anymore.

I mean if you are fishing the streets or dealing with drug users online, I had to learn what "hooker time" is / was. Because of the drugs these girls can't keep time. "I'll be right there," really means, I'll get around to it in an hour of so.

Then of course there are the girls who post and advert, but NEVER respond to a text or call or respond to a few and then go ghost. Shoot even the ones who date you, but can't be found again.

On days off I frequently spend a fair amount of time looking through adverts on various posting sites. I never go for just one as that is guaranteed failure or frustration. So I might do DD on a dozen or two posts: GI pic searches, number searches, looking through previous contacts, searching these threads. It takes A LOT of time and energy.

Then of course there are the contacts, perhaps getting a reply. Then the process of discovering the girl doesn't "do" BB BJ. Yeah, FRUSTRATING! Why can't they just put that in their advert? Finding the rate, menu and then hosting situation or openness to car date or quick trip to The Crown. All takes time and has many places for pitfalls. I mean I use to think, his would be easy as the girls were in business and would treat it as such. Took a while for me to realize unless it was the top end girls, not so much.

So yeah, many places and situations for things to not work out and for frustration. I learned to just keep stepping up to the plate and swinging. It isn't always going to work, but with time and patience it works out.

I'm sure others have similar experiences.I, as I'm sure many "good" mongers" do, spend wow a bit of time doing "research" even when not hunting, still always hunting 🙄. We are addicts as well.

I think one thing to remember is, if these girls were great in the business world, they probably wouldn't be walking or advertising in the sites they do, unfortunately.

Like everyone "should" know, if you're paying upwards of 3-400 for a date, there shouldn't be any worry of levels of discretion being met, safety concerns, ghosting, and other issues. Things "should" and more than likely WILL, go smooth.

As for the lower end sites, that make up the majority of the ads most of us see, these girls are not very "business like", and the ones that are, generally get knocked for it, to a certain extent.

As has been proven decade upon decade, this is a very lucrative business to be in. However, if you are not "business oriented", ie, responding in a timely manner, ghosting potential clients, or poor customer service skills at any time or level, more than likely, you will experience a difficult time, as with any other business.

[Shampoo55]

Looks like, if guys get some balls on them prices should be coming down soon. In fact, I have been able to negotiate lower prices much more easily.

Shoot mid week my phone was pinging regularly from girls who wanted to hang out. Sure during the weekend after guys get paid on Thursday or Friday the prices are a bit "firm. " Girls know when dudes a flush with cash and will try to take as much as they can.

But the fact that so many have been reaching out of late suggests that they are not finding other dates and thus need cash. Just probe around a bit. When a girl hits me up, she's apparently 'in need. ' So if she asks for 120, I'll counter with 80. Might hold steady there or settle at 100, but either way I didn't pay "list price. ".

Guide (escorts):

SS - 60-80.

HHR- 100-120.

HR - 160-200.

Why pay $160? At 160 you can hit an AMP, get some kind of rub, perhaps a table shower, spend the full 60-minutes with a lady and walk out with a bottle of water. You get all of that from some hood rat on Listcrawler who is asking for 120 SS, tries to get you off ASAP and will have you walking out the door in 15-20 minutes or complains bitterly that you are taking too long (You cum yet?

[Shampoo55]

4. I was told Hailey has passed. Has anyone actually laid eyes on her in the past few weeks? ? ?In true Monty Python fashion, I'd say Hailey is "not dead yet!" Or reports of her demise have been greatly exaggerated! Er, that is IF this is the Hailey of who you speak?

12 Nov posts

https://www.kittyads.com/ad-2124899-+Hey+guys+its+hailey+back+and+waiting.

https://www.kittyads.com/Amanda1213

BUT WAIT! Looks like she uses the name Amanda too!

Could this be the one and same girl that was part of the elkten service? As shown here?

https://escortindex.com/large/delaware/443-466-6826/1/16935?img=0

Wonder if she ever walked the streets using the name Amanda. In the Lanc area that sure would cause confusion with another girl of the same name!

Go get her boys! Suspect street rates don't apply now that she has an advert?

[Big Grip]

In true Monty Python fashion, I'd say Hailey is "not dead yet!" Or reports of her demise have been greatly exaggerated! Er, that is IF this is the Hailey of who you speak?

12 Nov posts

https://www.kittyads.com/ad-2124899-+Hey+guys+its+hailey+back+and+waiting.

https://www.kittyads.com/Amanda1213

BUT WAIT! Looks like she uses the name Amanda too!

Could this be the one and same girl that was part of the elkten service? As shown here?

https://escortindex.com/large/delaware/443-466-6826/1/16935?img=0

Wonder if she ever walked the streets using the name Amanda. In the Lanc area that sure would cause confusion with another girl of the same name!

Go get her boys! Suspect street rates don't apply now that she has an advert?Yes she has been for awhile and she is doing car dates fo 60. She doesn't look as good as she use to. She weighs about 90 pounds soaked and wet.

[J Richard]

Yes she has been for awhile and she is doing car dates fo 60. She doesn't look as good as she use to. She weighs about 90 pounds soaked and wet.Is the best way to describe her appearance and hygiene now.

So after the original post, I did make contact with her.

In addition, the company she was keeping for me places her in a High Risk Catergory.

Now if I our paths cross, I will certainly talk to her and keep my head on a pivot, but that is about it.

[Rayo9]

Is the best way to describe her appearance and hygiene now.

So after the original post, I did make contact with her.

In addition, the company she was keeping for me places her in a High Risk Catergory.

Now if I our paths cross, I will certainly talk to her and keep my head on a pivot, but that is about it.Could you elaborate on this? "In addition, the company she was keeping for me places her in a High Risk Catergory. " I'm sure we'd all like to know so we can make informed decisions.

[J Richard]

Could you elaborate on this? "In addition, the company she was keeping for me places her in a High Risk Catergory. " I'm sure we'd all like to know so we can make informed decisions.There are several issues and some I have written about before on two sites, one being here.

I was helping her out or was previously, and have known her for sometime. I know there is at least one other from here that had done the same.

There is enough information already for someone to make an informed decision. Now conditions certainly change, improving or not for the better.

You can TOFTT and report back. But each of us finds characteristics that are appealing or not so appealing, as well as different levels of risks that are acceptable. Risks encompasses many areas.

I truly wish her the best and hope she receives the help she needs.

[BerryMcCockinr]

There are several issues and some I have written about before on two sites, one being here.

I was helping her out or was previously, and have known her for sometime. I know there is at least one other from here that had done the same.

There is enough information already for someone to make an informed decision. Now conditions certainly change, improving or not for the better.

You can TOFTT and report back. But each of us finds characteristics that are appealing or not so appealing, as well as different levels of risks that are acceptable. Risks encompasses many areas.

I truly wish her the best and hope she receives the help she needs.Why tf did you even bother to post this word salad that says absolutely nothing? You said she is in the high risk category with no specifics and then told him TOFTT??

[J Richard]

Why tf did you even bother to post this word salad that says absolutely nothing? You said she is in the high risk category with no specifics and then told him TOFTT??Clearly you you understand the next to the last paragraph and the recent reports of being banged up are aligned with my statements.

[Shampoo55]

OK, I have seen a few post that relate to this, seen a few PMs too and even fallen victim to it myself recently, so I think this bears some comment and discussion.

I think it is important to remember that if these girls could keep a schedule, and show up on time, they would probably have regular jobs. * But no, they can't keep time like you and me and plus they have drugs in the mix and who know what other BF, family or other life stuff happening that they don't handle well?* But they operate on "hooker time. " So to expect them to show up on your schedule, just like your boss expects you to hit appointments on time is totally unrealistic. **To expect a girl is going to behave as a "professional" when she isn't is a fallacy. (The only true professionals have websites, advertise on Eros & Tryst and charge north of $300.) When you find one that CAN keep time, make commitments and live up to them, then treat her extra special and hang on tight.

So in other words you can't expect a girl to do what she isn't capable of doing! * You have to expect that they are going to be a bit flaky and thus manage your time accordingly!* Look, I got into scraps a few times recently because I was trying to fit a girl into a tight window and of course she showed up on "hooker time" and it was too late, I had to book. * That was in essence my fault as I should have never tried to squeeze her into a tight time frame. * When a girl says she can meet in 15-min that means she will perhaps start to get ready in 15-in and it's going to take her 15-20 minutes after that to actually show up. You either plan for that and accept that is the way it is, or go find another girl!

But to make a plan to see a girl, then get mad at her when she doesn't fit your time frame, because she's on hooker time is only going to pizz her off!* After all she DID get ready and did go to the meeting place, just on a time frame that was different than yours. * In most girl's opinion, being a few minutes late is "no big deal!"* But, She got ready and from her perspective, you left, that means to her she wasted her time!* Then the next time you want to see her, she is going to be less inclined and perhaps "hooker time" gets longer. * So a good general rules is. Make plans to meet, WHEN YOU HAVE TIME TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH 'hooker time"!

[TheePhoenix]

OK, I have seen a few post that relate to this, seen a few PMs too and even fallen victim to it myself recently, so I think this bears some comment and discussion.

I think it is important to remember that if these girls could keep a schedule, and show up on time, they would probably have regular jobs. * But no, they can't keep time like you and me and plus they have drugs in the mix and who know what other BF, family or other life stuff happening that they don't handle well?* But they operate on "hooker time. " So to expect them to show up on your schedule, just like your boss expects you to hit appointments on time is totally unrealistic. **To expect a girl is going to behave as a "professional" when she isn't is a fallacy. (The only true professionals have websites, advertise on Eros & Tryst and charge north of $300.) When you find one that CAN keep time, make commitments and live up to them, then treat her extra special and hang on tight.

So in other words you can't expect a girl to do what she isn't capable of doing! * You have to expect that they are going to be a bit flaky and thus manage your time accordingly!* Look, I got into scraps a few times recently because I was trying to fit a girl into a tight window and of course she showed up on "hooker time" and it was too late, I had to book. * That was in essence my fault as I should have never tried to squeeze her into a tight time frame. * When a girl says she can meet in 15-min that means she will perhaps start to get ready in 15-in and it's going to take her 15-20 minutes after that to actually show up. You either plan for that and accept that is the way it is, or go find another girl!

But to make a plan to see a girl, then get mad at her when she doesn't fit your time frame, because she's on hooker time is only going to pizz her off!* After all she DID get ready and did go to the meeting place, just on a time frame that was different than yours. * In most girl's opinion, being a few minutes late is "no big deal!"* But, She got ready and from her perspective, you left, that means to her she wasted her time!* Then the next time you want to see her, she is going to be less inclined and perhaps "hooker time" gets longer. * So a good general rules is. Make plans to meet, WHEN YOU HAVE TIME TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH 'hooker time"!Your post really makes me miss Amanda. That girl was good with a schedule, she might have made me wait a couple of times out of the thirtyish times I saw her. Also half way through I was imagining girls showing up an an hour or two late going where is he? Because you know "hooker time". I do always leave time before and after any time I'm supposed to meet a girl. Escorts on average are the worst. Expect to wait at least a half hour. Street girls with a phone, I don't mind waiting but you better hit me back. Its the left hanging that I dont like. Ghosted?

[Shampoo55]

Your post really makes me miss Amanda. That girl was good with a schedule, she might have made me wait a couple of times out of the thirtyish times I saw her. Also half way through I was imagining girls showing up an an hour or two late going where is he? Because you know "hooker time". I do always leave time before and after any time I'm supposed to meet a girl. Escorts on average are the worst. Expect to wait at least a half hour. Street girls with a phone, I don't mind waiting but you better hit me back. Its the left hanging that I dont like. Ghosted?You could prolly still scoop Amanda out of her place off OCT, but last time I tried to see her she pulled "hooker time" on me! Oh and she isn't much of a spinner anymore.

[TheePhoenix]

You could prolly still scoop Amanda out of her place off OCT, but last time I tried to see her she pulled "hooker time" on me! Oh and she isn't much of a spinner anymore.I guess just have to live with my memories.

[Shampoo55]

Stoop Never stated that he told her she should charge more. He merely stated to us that she could probably get more.


With all the soars around her mouth. I would keep your dick as far away from it as possible.Jeez, dude! Never seen a guy that has such a hard-on that he has to comment negatively every time he can about the other's posts. You appear to have a hard-on for me, which means you must be a Gay Boy! Most guys around here get hard over girls, not other dudes! Faggot!

Your last site name got banned for arguing and being a douchebag, But it appears you didn't learn your lesson.

Why don't you focus on providing useful info to other mongers than being negative toward others? Got anything useful to add?

I'm trying to educate, What are you doing trying to get guys to stop posting?

Jeez, get over it!

[Jthinas]

Jeez, dude! Never seen a guy that has such a hard-on that he has to comment negatively every time he can about the other's posts. You appear to have a hard-on for me, which means you must be a Gay Boy! Most guys around here get hard over girls, not other dudes! Faggot!

Your last site name got banned for arguing and being a douchebag, But it appears you didn't learn your lesson.

Why don't you focus on providing useful info to other mongers than being negative toward others? Got anything useful to add?

I'm trying to educate, What are you doing trying to get guys to stop posting?

Jeez, get over it!You posted a picture of a girl.

I pointed out that she had sores all around her mouth and I recommended you stay away from her. And you respond back by Calling me a Homo? Tell me I should stop being a hater and give useful information. Sorry but I thought I was being helpful by my recommendation. I'll be sure not to give my opinion on your comments again. Have a great day sir.

[WeatherMan2]

Jeez, dude! Never seen a guy that has such a hard-on that he has to comment negatively every time he can about the other's posts. You appear to have a hard-on for me, which means you must be a Gay Boy! Most guys around here get hard over girls, not other dudes! Faggot!

Your last site name got banned for arguing and being a douchebag, But it appears you didn't learn your lesson.

Why don't you focus on providing useful info to other mongers than being negative toward others? Got anything useful to add?

I'm trying to educate, What are you doing trying to get guys to stop posting?

Jeez, get over it!Shampoo you seem to fail to remember what you read. You do this repeatedly. I think in like 4th grade they taught us to read a paragraph or paragraphs and remember key details. He basically pointed out the sores and is curious why you would be even be interested. But I guess that means he is a"faggot" and he has a hard on for you. LOL I don't get it. Another classic thing you do is if someone asks you for info you switch it around and say they "demanded" info. Again that's poor reading skills on your behalf. There are other examples of you misinterpreting paragraphs and then lashing out at that person. There are too many for me to remember.

[Shampoo55]

You posted a picture of a girl.

I pointed out that she had sores all around her mouth and I recommended you stay away from her. And you respond back by Calling me a Homo? Tell me I should stop being a hater and give useful information. Sorry but I thought I was being helpful by my recommendation. I'll be sure not to give my opinion on your comments again. Have a great day sir.Look back through your posts Dope! You appear to go out of your way to comment, in a negative or unhelpful way in A LOT of your posts! You do it to me frequently and I see you took on ThePhoenix recently too. Dudes are PM-ing me about your douche posts. But the frequency of you attacks on me clearly demonstrates you have a hard-on for me and only a homo has a hard-on for another guy! So the label is well earned on your part! So perhaps the line bolded above is the be smartest thing you have said of recent, though I doubt you can resist not adding cheap shots! Try CONTRIBUTING positive reports on the girls you have dated, with details, to help others. Try encouraging others as they sojourn the hobby of mongering.

Yeah, I posted a picture of a girl. The post I made was a request for info. Does anyone know the girl in the picture? THAT doesn't require, nor call, for a comment on the girl at all! You failed to provide the requested information. DO YOU KNOW WHO THE GIRL IS?

Third, you need your eyes checked. That is acne on the girls face not "sores"! The fact that you don't know the difference is astounding!. Don't think that anyone is going to "catch something" from the ace on her face. Perhaps she's a drug addict and picks and exacerbates the acne?

So yeah, when a dude asks who a girl is, missing the point of acne and pointing that out is NOT being helpful. You can obfuscate as much as you want, you messed up, admit it or keep being the homosexual with a hard-on for another dude.

Perhaps you can learn and be educated? Some have so much "hate" in their hearts that it is pointless to even try to help them.

Let's see who else I can add to the hard-on / hater group!