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Admin2
11-04-05, 17:16
Thread starter.

StarMan2
11-03-16, 00:30
Whats the title of her video?I don't think you caught his message. Anyway I've see her too and she is decent enough bit not GFE and I get the impression she takes a lot of pills.

Tight and small, and I started seeing her after Kandi just became too high volume for me, but the service isn't there. I'm torn because Kandi is good but when I start thinking about the amount of BBBJ she does, all races BTW, just doesn't rub me the right way. I know everybody loves Kandi but don't be fooled she is all business and her volume proves it.

Gr4950
11-03-16, 16:44
I got to ask what you perceive as high volume? Because knowing she does 30-60 minutes before ahe sees another monger, that time in between reduces just how many can be seen.

As far as the races comment goes, well everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that it doesn't matter. She takes care of herself and is pretty damn cautious. It's been probably a year and a half that I have been visiting her. And I never ever think about the others.

But hey, to each his own. I just don't agree with your assessment of the volume levels. And to make an accusation like that is asking for someone to call you out on it.

-GR4950 (7).


...and I started seeing her after Kandi just became too high volume for me, but the service isn't there. I'm torn because Kandi is good but when I start thinking about the amount of BBBJ she does, all races BTW, just doesn't rub me the right way. I know everybody loves Kandi but don't be fooled she is all business and her volume proves it.

NoseJelly
11-03-16, 18:10
I start thinking about the amount of BBBJ she does, all races BTW, just doesn't rub me the right way. I know everybody loves Kandi but don't be fooled she is all business and her volume proves it.All races BTW? Why is that relavent? Since she has seen you, one could say "and morons too BTW".

Bloozer
11-03-16, 19:37
I got to ask what you perceive as high volume? Because knowing she does 30-60 minutes before ahe sees another monger, that time in between reduces just how many can be seen.

As far as the races comment goes, well everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that it doesn't matter. She takes care of herself and is pretty damn cautious. It's been probably a year and a half that I have been visiting her. And I never ever think about the others.

But hey, to each his own. I just don't agree with your assessment of the volume levels. And to make an accusation like that is asking for someone to call you out on it.

-GR4950 (7).Kandiland is the best that has hit this side of the Pecos!. We're dealing with a Pro for gods sake. So what if the door revolves a little. We're not looking for a steady girlfriend. Kandi is spectacular!

TeddBear
11-03-16, 20:01
I got to ask what you perceive as high volume? Because knowing she does 30-60 minutes before ahe sees another monger, that time in between reduces just how many can be seen.

As far as the races comment goes, well everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that it doesn't matter. She takes care of herself and is pretty damn cautious. It's been probably a year and a half that I have been visiting her. And I never ever think about the others.

But hey, to each his own. I just don't agree with your assessment of the volume levels. And to make an accusation like that is asking for someone to call you out on it.

-GR4950 (7).I think what he was trying to say is he tried to book her and couldn't because she is in high demand. He probly could get an appointment. Well to bad. If BBBJ bothers you so much there are plenty of providers that do covered BJ they should be easier to book also since I don't think they are high in demand and lower volume so there you go starboy.

StarMan2
11-03-16, 20:19
Listen guys I know everybody loves kandi and I like her too.

Yes, you need to book at least a day out, and I actually like that. She is a pro that way and she keeps her appointments which means a lot to me.

Yes, she gives great service I mentioned that. Best there is around here that I see. She is clean and likes to please.

Yes, if anybody has read her last few ads (and I'm sure people do), she has specifically said "all races welcome. " That's a change from her previous ads. Now this part is up to each mongers interpretation, but all I meant was that it was something I think about. Just like some providers say I love white guys, some say no black men, etc. Does it matter? Who knows. But it happens. And providers have reasons. And mongers have theirs.

No need for name calling.

Benz1
11-03-16, 21:51
All races BTW? Why is that relavent? Since she has seen you, one could say "and morons too BTW".What was that word we use to describe mongers on this site that whine and complain about reviews instead of taking one for the team and showing us something new?

AlexSedai
11-03-16, 22:00
What was that word we use to describe mongers on this site that whine and complain about reviews instead of taking one for the team and showing us something new?Scorned, shunned, taunted, etc?

NoseJelly
11-04-16, 00:57
What was that word we use to describe mongers on this site that whine and complain about reviews instead of taking one for the team and showing us something new?Annoying? Sh*theads? Annoying Sh*theads?

All I know is I spelled Relevant wrong. My bad.

NJ.

NoseJelly
11-04-16, 01:15
I think what he was trying to say is he tried to book her and couldn't because she is in high demand. He probly could get an appointment. Well to bad. If BBBJ bothers you so much there are plenty of providers that do covered BJ they should be easier to book also since I don't think they are high in demand and lower volume so there you go starboy.Sounded like he didn't want a BBBJ if one of her earlier customers was a different race than him. Like that would somehow physically harm him more than it would if the earlier customer was white. That kind of stuff rubs me wrong.

I'll just put away my soap box now and go back to the Massage section, where I belong!

NJ.

Akenathon
11-04-16, 03:13
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Benz1
11-04-16, 10:52
Listen guys I know everybody loves kandi and I like her too.

Yes, you need to book at least a day out, and I actually like that. She is a pro that way and she keeps her appointments which means a lot to me.

Yes, she gives great service I mentioned that. Best there is around here that I see. She is clean and likes to please.

Yes, if anybody has read her last few ads (and I'm sure people do), she has specifically said "all races welcome. " That's a change from her previous ads. Now this part is up to each mongers interpretation, but all I meant was that it was something I think about. Just like some providers say I love white guys, some say no black men, etc. Does it matter? Who knows. But it happens. And providers have reasons. And mongers have theirs.

No need for name calling.Did you know that comments about Race are forbidden on this forum?

Did you know that you can be stuck in Moderation for eternity if you break the rules?

Being stuck in Moderation doesn't really matter anyway, because this tells us all we need to know about you.

Benz1
11-04-16, 10:56
What was that word we use to describe mongers on this site that whine and complain about reviews instead of taking one for the team and showing us something new?A BallBuster, Put the him in the Pile with LM and T-70.

Naughty12
11-04-16, 11:08
Usually when they say "No Black Men" its cause they have a black pimp or a black "boyfriend" C'Mon. Guys, girls love BBC and I am not black just saying.You are spot on with this from the providers I have talked to in regards to this statement.

Back to Kandi.

What Starman is saying is what I have mentioned in review of another provider while referencing Kandi. He further clarified his statements. This incessant white knighting of Kandi is way too inappropriate, especially coming from Sr. Members.

It looks conspicuous guys, I'm just saying. Tone it down a bit when looking at a review and not dog piling on. You're going to drive off the new guys in even thinking of mentioning a TOFT review on anyone. There's no need to intimidate or ridicule someone for his opinion. You all know she reads these and she will correspond with you directly if there is maligned information disseminated in your post, trust me, she has class like that. We all have choices here and not one glove fits all our individual needs. We all have the right to express opinion within a review. Wrong information should be corrected but intimidation is not warranted here. She IS and will always be an A list'are here. She's a excellent provider and carrys a very clean and well respected record of stellar service. Again, it's that which keeps her base and new clients coming back for more. If she were another business other than sex, she would succeed just as well. I believe its in her DNA to do so.

Let all step back a take a breath about Kandi. If a guy wants to defame her and say inappropriate things along with condemning her, then I say castrate! Agreed?

Benz1
11-04-16, 14:17
You are spot on with this from the providers I have talked to in regards to this statement.

Back to Kandi.

What Starman is saying is what I have mentioned in review of another provider while referencing Kandi. He further clarified his statements. This incessant white knighting of Kandi is way too inappropriate, especially coming from Sr. Members.

It looks conspicuous guys, I'm just saying. Tone it down a bit when looking at a review and not dog piling on. You're going to drive off the new guys in even thinking of mentioning a TOFT review on anyone. There's no need to intimidate or ridicule someone for his opinion. You all know she reads these and she will correspond with you directly if there is maligned information disseminated in your post, trust me, she has class like that. We all have choices here and not one glove fits all our individual needs. We all have the right to express opinion within a review. Wrong information should be corrected but intimidation is not warranted here. She IS and will always be an A list'are here. She's a excellent provider and carrys a very clean and well respected record of stellar service. Again, it's that which keeps her base and new clients coming back for more. If she were another business other than sex, she would succeed just as well. I believe its in her DNA to do so.

Let all step back a take a breath about Kandi. If a guy wants to defame her and say inappropriate things along with condemning her, then I say castrate! Agreed?With all do respect Naughty12, I don't the piling on is white knighting.

Anyone who knows Kandiland1, knows that she travels for her real job and chooses to visit family in Grand Rapids when not working. She is here to see family, she seems unavailable because she's not here for us. One day she thought about paying for her travel expenses to Grand Rapids by joining our hobby on BP and have some fun too, bonus for GR mongers.

Piling on? Yes, he has commented on a providers volume, which he knows nothing about. He is not new, his first post was 1. 5 yrs ago and has Never taken one for the team but offers commentary that he knows nothing about. Plus he's breaking the rules posting about race.

HE is not the first one to follow this path, the others got put in the pile as future ballbuster will too.

It's as much or more about him as it is white nighting.

His next post should be a toftt. It will be hard to do since TeddBear has seen most of them.

Asianplvr
11-04-16, 14:43
Lets put our differences aside and report on all the pussy out there😍.

I am guilty of fucking alot of new pussies and not reporting. Ill catch you guys up soon I hope.

NoseJelly
11-04-16, 15:22
This incessant white knighting of Kandi is way too inappropriate, especially coming from Sr. Members.
It looks conspicuous guys, I'm just saying. Tone it down a bit when looking at a review and not dog piling on. You're going to drive off the new guys in even thinking of mentioning a TOFT review on anyone. There's no need to intimidate or ridicule someone for his opinion. You all know she reads these and she will correspond with you directly if there is maligned information disseminated in your post, trust me, she has class like that. We all have choices here and not one glove fits all our individual needs. We all have the right to express opinion within a review. Wrong information should be corrected but intimidation is not warranted here.For the record, Kandi and I have never met. There is no Whiteknighting. There is no "intimidation" going on. I merely expressed my opinion on someone elses opinion / review, which you say we all have the right to do. Racial stuff and politics doesn't belong in a Monger forum. Mongering is the wrong game to be in if a person can't handle a little push back or disagreement. Feel free to school me. Or send angry PMs, as a couple of Ballbusters have recently. I've got broad shoulders.

NJ.

Admin2
11-04-16, 17:23
Did you know that comments about Race are forbidden on this forum?

Did you know that you can be stuck in Moderation for eternity if you break the rules?

Being stuck in Moderation doesn't really matter anyway, because this tells us all we need to know about you.You fellas may note there is a new thread. You now have a fight thread. In Grand Rapids there is now a choice, you can use the fight thread or as Benz says you can be stuck in Moderation for eternity.

Reviews threads are for reviews.

A2

Naughty12
11-04-16, 22:11
You fellas may note there is a new thread. You now have a fight thread. In Grand Rapids there is now a choice, you can use the fight thread or as Benz says you can be stuck in Moderation for eternity.

Reviews threads are for reviews.

A2Can I change my name to Tyler Durden?

BTW ...TB..I think you've been cottonkandi'd....this is how well she's branded, A2 gave us Fightclub. Friday nights 8pm in an under card?

NoseJelly
11-05-16, 00:02
Grand Rapids has arrived! About time. Detroit has had Motor City Mayhem for quite a while. Now we have the Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society! Flame Thrower ON!

TeddBear
11-05-16, 13:15
Grand Rapids has arrived! About time. Detroit has had Motor City Mayhem for quite a while. Now we have the Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society! Flame Thrower ON!Right on NJ let's torch all theses shit heads.

Gr4950
11-05-16, 13:50
Wasn't Devil's Night last weekend?


Right on NJ let's torch all theses shit heads.

NoseJelly
11-05-16, 14:34
Right on NJ let's torch all theses shit heads.Hells Yeah TB! BTW, Kudos on a Shitload of TOFTTs!

TeddBear
11-05-16, 17:34
Hells Yeah TB! BTW, Kudos on a Shitload of TOFTTs!No problem man it's what I love to do like Hank Williams I like to have woman I've never had.

AlexSedai
11-05-16, 19:34
Loud noises ⛏65039;128511;127831;.

Dave Usa
07-09-17, 15:33
This thread is underutilized.


I had the extreme pleasure of getting a massage from Blonde Brittany today. Making the appointment was simple. No back and forth texts, just 1 simple phone call. So far perfect. She greeted me at the front door and directed me to her massage room. It had all the necessary items for a professional massage appointment. Still perfect. From that point the appointment became a dream come true. Oh my, finally a massage that left me with wanting it never to end. This was a fantastic experience; the conversation was relaxed and enjoyable. The massage was just what I needed and then some. Not once did I feel uncomfortable or rushed. This is one fine lady. For those of you that make appointments with her and don't show up. She told me that she gets quite a few every day. Shame on you, she deserves much better. The quality of her massage is excellent, the rates are much better than what you will pay anywhere else. For an experience that was far beyond my expectations, and it was only the first time.

She can be reached here:

BlondeBrittany25.

http://usaadultclassifieds.info/clas...reviewed-.htmlHi there Enable, Thanks for the report. Don't let the criticism get to you. Some guys here are just like my first wife. No f'n pleasing them.

Dave Usa
07-09-17, 15:51
What was the "much better than you will pay elsewhere" rate that you refer to? And if you would, what is the "experience far beyond my expectations"? Without any info the "review" sounds more like an advertisement than an informative review.Words like that belong here. IMHO.

Benz1
07-09-17, 15:53
This thread is underutilized.

Hi there Enable, Thanks for the report. Don't let the criticism get to you. Some guys here are just like my first wife. No f'n pleasing them.I get what you're thinking Dave, it appears to be piling on.

If a few people are asking the same questions and are not getting any answers then we start drawing conclusions.

We prefer reviews with information we can use and will question information we can't use.

Not trying to be disrespectful, just looking for clarity.

Dave Usa
07-09-17, 16:08
I agree totally with Blackfire, I also question if he even knows what a good massage is.

When I read a massage review and the monger says it was perfect and I never wanted it to end. I wonder if he has ever experienced a real massage from a real massuse, how can he say it was great without comparing it to a real CMT like www.curtisymassagetherapy.com. Which is a little pricey if you want to include the pelvic massage too. Did the monger see Sweety? Her rates are more reasonable for the pelvic portion. https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/thp/6204961551.html.

Both are great at massage and must be experienced to know what a great massage is. They don't take any clothes off and are very focused on the massage. If a monger with 9 posts says WOW about a massage and doesn't give a true comparison to a CMT then I'm guessing he was mesmerized by her naked body.

It's hard to find that happy half naked great massage in this hobby. I found it with Amber at Royal (retired) and now I found it at Healthy Habits with Amy. Great massage, Very Nice C cups, nice ass and good HJ for the right price. No GPS. 40 Hhr and 60 hr. If you want to know her Tipping policy, just ask her on this forum at AmynasTouch. You will be happy you did.
Just trying to helpI really do respect your opinions generally, but this is bullying and showing off. Again IMHO.

Dave Usa
07-09-17, 16:23
I get what you're thinking Dave, it appears to be piling on.

If a few people are asking the same questions and are not getting any answers then we start drawing conclusions.

We prefer reviews with information we can use and will question information we can't use.

Not trying to be disrespectful, just looking for clarity.So, what information do we / you require at a minimum? I find many report details to be so subjective as to be nearly worthless. You. I believe, put performance above looks. I swing the other way. No problem, just different interests.

Peace and love brother mongers.

Benz1
07-09-17, 16:31
I really do respect your opinions generally, but this is bullying and showing off. Again IMHO.I always respect your opinions too Dave. If you read my comments it is truley constructive criticism for all mongers reporting to be knowledgeable of what a good massage really is. Good example is JayceDragon who goes to blessings because he gets a real good massage. No extras just a great massage. If JayceDragon reviewed a massage therapist that offers extras I would be the next in line for that massuse. If I go to a MP, I beieve it is massage first.

I've said many times if you are not getting a good massage and just there for the extras plus a lot of GPS. Then see an escort and give up on the massage girls.

STOP supporting GPS. End of rant.

I will say no more about the Enable post.

Thanks for listening and sorry if I appeared to be bullying.

I'm just so tired of reading the reviews that support GPS.

Benz1
07-09-17, 17:18
So, what information do we / you require at a minimum? I find many report details to be so subjective as to be nearly worthless. You. I believe, put performance above looks. I swing the other way. No problem, just different interests.

Peace and love brother mongers.This is true Dave.

I've had a full knee replacement. They cut the skin, peal back all the tissue and cut the knee off with a surgical saw. Cement two steal collars on each side and attach a swivel joint in the middle with a cap on it.
You can see the full surgery on you tube.
Yup I want some relief from that aching leg and my messed up gate. Some days I walk better than others.

Like most mongers I'd like it all and wish I could believe a report that says Great Massage and with gorgeous babe and got my full time with extras and lots of happiness.

You're right I'm a performance first type. Probably pickier than most. When I write a review about a good massuse. You can be sure she will fix your ache. The good ones are seldom available when I have the time and money. So I like to have a list of 4 providers, more would be nice.

Different Strokes.

Hope everyone has a good day. Happy Hunting.

NoseJelly
07-09-17, 18:08
How about if the review lists what the Monger paid for the Hhr or Hr and what he tipped? Was massage pro quality or just a sensual rub or crappy rub? Plus if roaming is allowed over the clothes or under the clothes? Or if the lady gets naked or partially naked and allows roaming and if HJ is performed and if so, was HJ good, great or bad?

These are the basics of all reviews on all monger forums since the very first Monger forum crawled from the primordial ooze! It isn't Rocket Science! It just takes 20-30 minutes of RTFF before the Monger posts his first review! If the Lady asked for details to not be posted, then say so and let people PM for details! It's like herding Cats around here IMA&EO!

NJ.

Blackfire
07-09-17, 22:01
How about if the review lists what the Monger paid for the Hhr or Hr and what he tipped? Was massage pro quality or just a sensual rub or crappy rub? Plus if roaming is allowed over the clothes or under the clothes? Or if the lady gets naked or partially naked and allows roaming and if HJ is performed and if so, was HJ good, great or bad?

These are the basics of all reviews on all monger forums since the very first Monger forum crawled from the primordial ooze! It isn't Rocket Science! It just takes 20-30 minutes of RTFF before the Monger posts his first review! If the Lady asked for details to not be posted, then say so and let people PM for details! It's like herding Cats around here IMA&EO!

NJ.I agree completed with that and. Those are exactly the questions I asked. Seems pretty reasonable to me to ask a guy who said the rate is "much better than you can get elsewhere" what the rate was. And if he says the "experience was far beyond my expectations" seems reasonable to ask him what that experience was. Not sure exactly what got Dave's panties all bunched up about asking reasonable questions related to the "review". Also been my experience in following forums is that often glowing reviews with limited real information are posted by the girls themselves, or by guys who are trying to "win" a girls favor. Of course the ladies don't like details posted, we understand that but details are exactly the reason the forum exists.

Dave Usa
07-10-17, 04:58
I agree completed with that and. Those are exactly the questions I asked. Seems pretty reasonable to me to ask a guy who said the rate is "much better than you can get elsewhere" what the rate was. And if he says the "experience was far beyond my expectations" seems reasonable to ask him what that experience was. Not sure exactly what got Dave's panties all bunched up about asking reasonable questions related to the "review". Also been my experience in following forums is that often glowing reviews with limited real information are posted by the girls themselves, or by guys who are trying to "win" a girls favor. Of course the ladies don't like details posted, we understand that but details are exactly the reason the forum exists.Hi Blackfire, what gives you, or anyone here, the right to demand additional information from anyone? Enable had 8 posts, including a couple of dupes, when he reviewed Brittany. All are reports of girls he saw. No stupid newbie questions at all. He obviously RTFF and probably did his best to be a contributing member. So what's he get in return? Gang banged by a few entitled members of the clique. That is what bunched my panties.

Think he's ever coming back? How many other potential contributing members will decide it's not worth the BS?

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/faq.php?faq=faq_general_questions#faq_faq_general_questions_01

Blackfire
07-10-17, 08:19
Hi Blackfire, what gives you, or anyone here, the right to demand additional information from anyone? Enable had 8 posts, including a couple of dupes, when he reviewed Brittany. All are reports of girls he saw. No stupid newbie questions at all. He obviously RTFF and probably did his best to be a contributing member. So what's he get in return? Gang banged by a few entitled members of the clique. That is what bunched my panties.

Think he's ever coming back? How many other potential contributing members will decide it's not worth the BS?

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/faq.php?faq=faq_general_questions#faq_faq_general_questions_01If you would take a deep breath, unwad them panties, and clear your head you might re-read what I posted and realize I only asked a couple questions to see if he could provide more useful information. Never demanded anythng or demeaned him in any way. Not sure what your issue is, are you saying it is not proper to ask for more information on a review? Sure doesn't seem like there should be a dustup like this simply because I asked what the cost was.

TokyoDawson
07-10-17, 08:49
........... Sure doesn't seem like there should be a dustup like this simply because I asked what the cost was.I am in the camp of putting details in the review and asking for them if not there. This has been particularly important to me since BP lost the escort category and service expectations became murky. Now we have providers like Sunshine 32 posting in adult content Women Seeking Men when in my view she should only be in services Massage. The good reviews with details that only a HJ is given for the price saved me from wasting my time with her.

On providers not wanting service details out there. If she is advertising on USA "SEX" Guide and BP Women for Men, then tough shit, posting details is fair game.

Dave Usa
07-10-17, 09:52
If you would take a deep breath, unwad them panties, and clear your head you might re-read what I posted and realize I only asked a couple questions to see if he could provide more useful information. Never demanded anythng or demeaned him in any way. Not sure what your issue is, are you saying it is not proper to ask for more information on a review? Sure doesn't seem like there should be a dustup like this simply because I asked what the cost was.You and I obviously live in different realities. Probably a good thing, huh?

NoseJelly
07-10-17, 10:44
Hi Blackfire, what gives you, or anyone here, the right to demand additional information from anyone?
So what's he get in return? Gang banged by a few entitled members of the clique. That is what bunched my panties.Blackfire probably got the "Right" from the same place you got the "Right" to play Admin. And decide who is in an Entitled Clique.

Enable
07-10-17, 16:15
Blackfire probably got the "Right" from the same place you got the "Right" to play Admin. And decide who is in an Entitled Clique.Looks like I created quite the back and forth. For those who need all the details. This is what details results in, keep telling yourself Amber is retired. The proper term would be indefinitely suspended or involuntary retirement. Not to mention the expense that her so called retirement is costing her and I am not talking about lost work pay. I am not going to boast about whom I've seen and what took place and if somebody provides me with an excellent experience and has no problem with me sharing it, I will. But my comments will keep their safety as my number one priority.

ChipCharger
07-11-17, 10:48
Looks like I created quite the back and forth. For those who need all the details. This is what details results in, keep telling yourself Amber is retired. The proper term would be indefinitely suspended or involuntary retirement. Not to mention the expense that her so called retirement is costing her and I am not talking about lost work pay. I am not going to boast about whom I've seen and what took place and if somebody provides me with an excellent experience and has no problem with me sharing it, I will. But my comments will keep their safety as my number one priority.Glad you responded back Enable. I was in a similar spot at one time long ago on a different board. It is good we have this section where people can air their concerns. I'm sticking with my assertion that we do really have a good community here with good quality information being shared. People are able and willing to do that here and it is a good thing. Thats how it should be, healthy even. It really is a matter of people wanting quality reports and questioning the nature of content. I wouldn't take it personal.

Libertas
07-28-17, 11:55
So. Who are you here for? Smh. We are all here to protect each other and share this info.I decided to move this discussion to this thread, as it's more appropriate.

Who am I here for? Myself, first and foremost. Other people that have showed they can provide intelligent and reliable information.

You're right, I am here partially to protect others, but you define protection differently than I do. I define protection as making sure I share information that keeps mongers physically safe. Drug habits, violent handlers, questionable practices from providers and mongers, etc. If others choose to share undisclosed rates that's their choice.

The previous person asked what the reason is to not share. I offered an explanation, that's it. Personally I feel it's up to the monger and the provider to determine what is fair for the two of them and agree on it. I don't see a provider because her rates are attractive to me. That's me. Others see a provider because it aligns with their spending income. That's them. Neither way is more correct. It's just personal preference. If a provider and I have worked out something long term and she decides to give me a better break, cool but how does knowing that rate help you stay safe? Potential that she'll rip you off? There is plenty of information on the boards about how to spot being ripped off. A monger can also always call the provider and ask for the rates or discuss some type of plan that works for both.

Bkobe824
07-28-17, 12:37
I decided to move this discussion to this thread, as it's more appropriate.

Who am I here for? Myself, first and foremost. Other people that have showed they can provide intelligent and reliable information.

You're right, I am here partially to protect others, but you define protection differently than I do. I define protection as making sure I share information that keeps mongers physically safe. Drug habits, violent handlers, questionable practices from providers and mongers, etc. If others choose to share undisclosed rates that's their choice.

The previous person asked what the reason is to not share. I offered an explanation, that's it. Personally I feel it's up to the monger and the provider to determine what is fair for the two of them and agree on it. I don't see a provider because her rates are attractive to me. That's me. Others see a provider because it aligns with their spending income. That's them. Neither way is more correct. It's just personal preference. If a provider and I have worked out something long term and she decides to give me a better break, cool but how does knowing that rate help you stay safe? Potential that she'll rip you off? There is plenty of information on the boards about how to spot being ripped off. A monger can also always call the provider and ask for the rates or discuss some type of plan that works for both.This has got to be the dumbest convo thread ever. Who has time to log in and type this stuff back and forth. Anything more productive?

NoseJelly
07-28-17, 16:47
This has got to be the dumbest convo thread ever. Who has time to log in and type this stuff back and forth. Anything more productive?Looks like you do! And now you're as dumb as the rest of us that post in this section!

This is a Free-For-All section to argue, ***** and complain. It's not the section to post about your scary forum and mongering skills, or how busy your life is.

NJ.

Charlie441
07-28-17, 18:00
You're right, I am here partially to protect others, but you define protection differently than I do.I agree. I think the difference is between being blatantly Ripped Off in the sense of charging WAY more than they should and don't tell you until last minute -- VS them having a worthy price, but, no, I'm not going to tell everyone what special deal I get due to befriending / regularizing myself. The latter is 100% fine. That's not hanging anyone out to dry at all.

MrLovaLova1
08-31-17, 08:30
Drop dead what? Please refer to wolverines post of this chic under backpage reviews. It's ok to not think she's that hot if you're not one of her white knights or her herself. I happen to be a free thinker and guess what she's not hot to me. I would rather see Amyna or Natasha or Kandi. Ready to argue with me why I should think like you?? Gtfoh.

http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/blonde25-645-or-after-open/28778309

EricAnderson07
08-31-17, 17:12
Drop dead what? Please refer to wolverines post of this chic under backpage reviews. It's ok to not think she's that hot if you're not one of her white knights or her herself. I happen to be a free thinker and guess what she's not hot to me. I would rather see Amyna or Natasha or Kandi. Ready to argue with me why I should think like you?? Gtfoh.

http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/blonde25-645-or-after-open/28778309I just think your a rude and crass dude. Regardless of the fact that we are talking about women who are providers of one nature or another, were still talking about people, many of whom crawl these boards. More about civility and being a gentleman than anything man.

NoseJelly
08-31-17, 20:27
Popping the Popcorn. Extra Butter this time.

MrLovaLova1
08-31-17, 21:01
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MrLovaLova1
09-02-17, 07:24
I know I am an absolute gentleman so I will ignore the name calling. However, I am not afraid to speak my mind. Criticism will always be around, especially if you put yourself on the Internet to be criticized. This is a forum for men seeking women for sex where we should be able to discuss amongst ourselves how we feel without feeling bad or feel like we are less than chivalrous. Hey if these women crawl this forum like you say they do they should learn to get thicker skin. Do you think everyone in the world is going to like you and think that you're an absolute knockout? I beg to differ dear. Even the top models of the world have critics! I'm surprised how I've been treated on this forum for my difference of opinion especially from a so called fellow monger. As the famous saying goes: if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen!

NoseJelly
09-02-17, 11:30
I'm surprised how I've been treated on this forum for my difference of opinion especially from a so called fellow monger. As the famous saying goes: if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen!Why surprised? Where's that thicker skin you want the Lady Providers to have? You've had 4 of your 11 posts Deleted / Flagged by the Admin. Maybe it's not ALL everyone else. Maybe it's a little bit you.

Benz1
09-02-17, 11:58
Why surprised? Where's that thicker skin you want the Lady Providers to have? You've had 4 of your 11 posts Deleted / Flagged by the Admin. Maybe it's not ALL everyone else. Maybe it's a little bit you.Reminds me of Mr. Tom and Mr. Love.
They both had many posts commenting, comparing, complaining and getting deleted by admin before they ever took one for the team. I'm not sure they ever did TOFTT, they found fault with everyone's reviews after they went in for a follow up. They forgot the part where YMMV.
TOFTT means you see a new provider that has not been reviewed before and give us a full report. About 2 years ago myself and other seniors completed a tutorial on how to take one for the team.
Maybe it's time to reboot the newbie monger etiquette expectations of this site and the how to manual. But will they read it?
This forum is for Sharing, when contributors earn their stripes we listen and try to help. To become part of the team you need to take one for the team.

Fellow Monger Benz1

MrLovaLova1
09-02-17, 11:59
Why surprised? Where's that thicker skin you want the Lady Providers to have? You've had 4 of your 11 posts Deleted / Flagged by the Admin. Maybe it's not ALL everyone else. Maybe it's a little bit you.I've always respected your posts NJ and will continue to do so. Most of my posts have been flagged in my mind because I called bullshit on some skeptical reviews but hey it's OK. This is not a hobby for the faint of heart by any means on both sides. You are right maybe I need to grow thicker skin! It just surprised me how I'm suddenly a pig because I don't think a certain provider is hot or my type. These forums exist for the exchange of valuable information not just the self promotion of one individual. As always think for yourself first and foremost, the rest will fall into place.

MrLovaLova1
09-02-17, 20:16
Reminds me of Mr. Tom and Mr. Love.
They both had many posts commenting, comparing, complaining and getting deleted by admin before they ever took one for the team. I'm not sure they ever did TOFTT, they found fault with everyone's reviews after they went in for a follow up. They forgot the part where YMMV.
TOFTT means you see a new provider that has not been reviewed before and give us a full report. About 2 years ago myself and other seniors completed a tutorial on how to take one for the team.
Maybe it's time to reboot the newbie monger etiquette expectations of this site and the how to manual. But will they read it?
This forum is for Sharing, when contributors earn their stripes we listen and try to help. To become part of the team you need to take one for the team.

Fellow Monger Benz1When in Rome! I'm happy to TOFTT and will more than gladly read any information you throw my way. Benz you are a very credible source of information for this forum. Thanks for taking the time to even acknowledge any of my posts let alone offer me advice. Point me in the right direction and I'll report back 100% honest feedback on the provider I've seen. It won't be a fluffed up review for any kind of deal or for fear of hurting someone's feelings that's for sure. We have to stick together as mongers not divide even if our opinions differ.

Benz1
09-03-17, 13:45
When in Rome! I'm happy to TOFTT and will more than gladly read any information you throw my way. Benz you are a very credible source of information for this forum. Thanks for taking the time to even acknowledge any of my posts let alone offer me advice. Point me in the right direction and I'll report back 100% honest feedback on the provider I've seen. It won't be a fluffed up review for any kind of deal or for fear of hurting someone's feelings that's for sure. We have to stick together as mongers not divide even if our opinions differ.I have posted some TOFTT guidelines for everyone's review and comment on General Reports.

Just trying to help.

Fellow Monger Benz1.

RogerOver
09-03-17, 18:46
I have posted some TOFTT guidelines for everyone's review and comment on General Reports.

Just trying to help.

Fellow Monger Benz1.For the lazy, here are the links to his hard work:

Take One For The Team Guidelines

Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 2).

DukeOfCaboose
09-11-17, 14:15
Reminds me of Mr. Tom and Mr. Love.
They both had many posts commenting, comparing, complaining and getting deleted by admin before they ever took one for the team. I'm not sure they ever did TOFTT, they found fault with everyone's reviews after they went in for a follow up. They forgot the part where YMMV.
TOFTT means you see a new provider that has not been reviewed before and give us a full report. About 2 years ago myself and other seniors completed a tutorial on how to take one for the team.
Maybe it's time to reboot the newbie monger etiquette expectations of this site and the how to manual. But will they read it?
This forum is for Sharing, when contributors earn their stripes we listen and try to help. To become part of the team you need to take one for the team.

Fellow Monger Benz1I can see your point however taking one for the team is easier for some than others. Some of us have more to risk with kids and SO. I for one am not here to take one for the team. I only see girls that are highly reviewed. It is much safer that way. That being said I absolutely appreciate you and Tedbear and the others that explore these new waters for us to navigate after the fact. Set up a go fund me and I would even kick in a few bucks for your exploits but take on that risk of LE or a provider blackmailing me. No thanks.

MrLovaLova1
09-12-17, 08:35
I can see your point however taking one for the team is easier for some than others. Some of us have more to risk with kids and SO. I for one am not here to take one for the team. I only see girls that are highly reviewed. It is much safer that way. That being said I absolutely appreciate you and Tedbear and the others that explore these new waters for us to navigate after the fact. Set up a go fund me and I would even kick in a few bucks for your exploits but take on that risk of LE or a provider blackmailing me. No thanks.It's quite selfish to expect others to do the dirty work imo. Not every provider is a threat that's for sure but you have to have your guard up always. Benz is giving us all invaluable information it takes years to figure out. I for one will be TOFTT but I just can't find one in Grand Rapids I want to spend my limited dough on. I miss this forum around 2010 when less providers knew about it and didn't use it for self promotion. Sigh oh the good ole days!

Benz1
09-12-17, 10:08
I can see your point however taking one for the team is easier for some than others. Some of us have more to risk with kids and SO. I for one am not here to take one for the team. I only see girls that are highly reviewed. It is much safer that way. That being said I absolutely appreciate you and Tedbear and the others that explore these new waters for us to navigate after the fact. Set up a go fund me and I would even kick in a few bucks for your exploits but take on that risk of LE or a provider blackmailing me. No thanks.GoFundMe sounds nice, we would all appreciate that, it does get expensive especially if you get burned. That's why some active experience seniors on this forum are putting together at tutorial on how to take one for the team so the risk is lowered, for everyone to be cautious and do their part. If no one was taking one for the team how useful with this website be to anybody. I have just as much risk as you. I am married too and Mrs. Benz doesn't have a clue. Because I follow the rules on the link below.

We appreciate your appreciation for what we do, when we take one for the team. There are some that don't appreciate it, they go in for a follow-up and they come out swinging saying the review was wrong. When they grow up and get educated on how it works ( after they have taken a few for the team) they will realize that anything can change in 5 minutes and your mileage may vary based on hygiene or her need for the next appointment. Those mongers are the reason why I don't share everything with everybody using a password allows me to share with those who share with us. When I give out a password to seniors, I also review their history to see if they are just asking questions or if they have ever taken one or two or three for the team. If they are a senior who has just been asking questions I will ignore their request, it does make a difference. If you want more information, be part of the team. Take one or two for the team.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3743-General-Reports&p=3535421#post3535421.

TeddBear
09-12-17, 10:10
I can see your point however taking one for the team is easier for some than others. Some of us have more to risk with kids and SO. I for one am not here to take one for the team. I only see girls that are highly reviewed. It is much safer that way. That being said I absolutely appreciate you and Tedbear and the others that explore these new waters for us to navigate after the fact. Set up a go fund me and I would even kick in a few bucks for your exploits but take on that risk of LE or a provider blackmailing me. No thanks.I'll set up a go fund me page hell yeah if I get enough I toftt everyday LOL.

Benz1
09-12-17, 11:07
It's quite selfish to expect others to do the dirty work imo. Not every provider is a threat that's for sure but you have to have your guard up always. Benz is giving us all invaluable information it takes years to figure out. I for one will be TOFTT but I just can't find one in Grand Rapids I want to spend my limited dough on. I miss this forum around 2010 when less providers knew about it and didn't use it for self promotion. Sigh oh the good ole days!You've been reading this forum since 2010 and have not taken one for the team? A 60 SS is not a big financial risk.

I encourage the good providers to read this forum so they know they are being reviewed for thousands to see. So Blame me! Knowing a bad review could ruin their business keeps more of them honest.

The amount of self promotion you are referring to is minimal. Most of us seasoned mongers can see it and ignore it.

The biggest problem with self promotion seems to be in the MP section. We call it out when it gets too obvious.

I remember Sweetie Stan, the owner of Bella Gente did a terrible job of self promotion for all of her girls. We called her out on this forum, she didn't stay in business very long. A2 has called out a few too, he told us it's our job to monitor the newbie posts for self promotion. He gave us a few hints that have been very helpful.
This is one of her self promotions Massage Parlor Reports #2934. date 3-19-15

Bella Gente.

Stopped into Bella this week and was greeted by Bella. She was as always Happy & full of conversation. She was pretty disappointed by late night reviews but promised to bounce back by doing what she had to to keep her clients happy. She really runs a good business and trys to keep clients Happy. I stayed and got a massage from Sophie, she was very pleasant with a pretty very light touch massage, I did get a HE with little roaming. I would see her again as she was happy to be at work.

There are other Sweetie Stan postings too. When we see a new member with under 10 posts promoting someone our red flags go up immediately. Experienced mongers know the difference.
I personally feel, unless a monger has taken one or two for the team they should keep thier opinions to themselves and just keep lurking because they are not contributing.
So if you are not going to take one for the team it's time to back off and jackoff

MrLovaLova1
09-12-17, 12:35
"You've been reading this forum since 2010 and have not taken one for the team? A 60 SS is not a big financial risk. " - Benz1.

I first discovered this forum in 2010 when I paid for a piece of pussy I picked up off of Division Ave. It was a fast and furious fuck but I learned about Division Ave being a good place to pick up streetwalkers back then from this forum. I've mainly visited MP's in Grand Rapids since then all of which have already been reviewed. I'm in my early 30's now so I was just getting into the hobby so to speak in 2010. The thought of paying for pussy really didn't start to resonate with me until after I got married, didn't really need to before then. Anyway, I finally made a username after seeing all these watered down reviews mainly in the MP section. Bullshit reviews saying full service is not what a monger ultimately wants from a MP gal blah, blah, blah. Or when a provider posts on here to defend her review: no need to become butt hurt over someone else's opinion!

DukeOfCaboose
09-12-17, 14:55
GoFundMe sounds nice, we would all appreciate that, it does get expensive especially if you get burned. That's why some active experience seniors on this forum are putting together at tutorial on how to take one for the team so the risk is lowered, for everyone to be cautious and do their part. If no one was taking one for the team how useful with this website be to anybody. I have just as much risk as you. I am married too and Mrs. Benz doesn't have a clue. Because I follow the rules on the link below.

We appreciate your appreciation for what we do, when we take one for the team. There are some that don't appreciate it, they go in for a follow-up and they come out swinging saying the review was wrong. When they grow up and get educated on how it works ( after they have taken a few for the team) they will realize that anything can change in 5 minutes and your mileage may vary based on hygiene or her need for the next appointment. Those mongers are the reason why I don't share everything with everybody using a password allows me to share with those who share with us. When I give out a password to seniors, I also review their history to see if they are just asking questions or if they have ever taken one or two or three for the team. If they are a senior who has just been asking questions I will ignore their request, it does make a difference. If you want more information, be part of the team. Take one or two for the team.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3743-General-Reports&p=3535421#post3535421.My fear is not getting burned for date money as much as the talk of blackmail or LE. Those are game changers. Most every girl I have seen has been after one of you guys (and a few) others have reviewed them. I am just being honest. I really do appreciate the reviews and work active members put in and I do review most every girl I see. I think we should get a group and start a go fund me page and vote on the girl who we want to see reviewed that month or every 2 weeks. It would only take 5-6 guys kicking in 20-30 bucks every few weeks and we can fill out the database of reviews. There are so many backpage ads that make me wonder. Is it real? I am not talking about the ones that are obviously too good to be true but the ones in the middle.

DukeOfCaboose
09-12-17, 15:00
"You've been reading this forum since 2010 and have not taken one for the team? A 60 SS is not a big financial risk. " - Benz1.

I first discovered this forum in 2010 when I paid for a piece of pussy I picked up off of Division Ave. It was a fast and furious fuck but I learned about Division Ave being a good place to pick up streetwalkers back then from this forum. I've mainly visited MP's in Grand Rapids since then all of which have already been reviewed. I'm in my early 30's now so I was just getting into the hobby so to speak in 2010. The thought of paying for pussy really didn't start to resonate with me until after I got married, didn't really need to before then. Anyway, I finally made a username after seeing all these watered down reviews mainly in the MP section. Bullshit reviews saying full service is not what a monger ultimately wants from a MP gal blah, blah, blah. Or when a provider posts on here to defend her review: no need to become butt hurt over someone else's opinion!Out of your 18 posts you don't have one review and 4 were deleted by the admin. So how are you complaining about others reviews?

Benz1
09-12-17, 15:11
"You've been reading this forum since 2010 and have not taken one for the team? A 60 SS is not a big financial risk. " - Benz1.

I first discovered this forum in 2010 when I paid for a piece of pussy I picked up off of Division Ave. It was a fast and furious fuck but I learned about Division Ave being a good place to pick up streetwalkers back then from this forum. I've mainly visited MP's in Grand Rapids since then all of which have already been reviewed. I'm in my early 30's now so I was just getting into the hobby so to speak in 2010. The thought of paying for pussy really didn't start to resonate with me until after I got married, didn't really need to before then. Anyway, I finally made a username after seeing all these watered down reviews mainly in the MP section. Bullshit reviews saying full service is not what a monger ultimately wants from a MP gal blah, blah, blah. Or when a provider posts on here to defend her review: no need to become butt hurt over someone else's opinion!Like I mentioned earlier most of the problem with self-promotion is on the massage parlor reports however I'm not butthurt by your opinion, I don't think anybody else is either. Since you're not providing information or taking one for the team. It's just your opinion. We will put your opinion posts on the pile with Mr. Love, Mr. Tom, Mr. Star and many other mongers like them. If you want real information through PM on this forum, join the team.
Happy Hunting

MrLovaLova1
09-12-17, 22:38
Like I mentioned earlier most of the problem with self-promotion is on the massage parlor reports however I'm not butthurt by your opinion, I don't think anybody else is either. Since you're not providing information or taking one for the team. It's just your opinion. We will put your opinion posts on the pile with Mr. Love, Mr. Tom, Mr. Star and many other mongers like them. If you want real information through PM on this forum, join the team.
Happy HuntingI was referring to the providers not mongers being butt hurt about opinions. I know most of the very good info is exchanged via pm as it should be among senior members. I just was making a statement that a lot of providers are active on this forum more than ever before and yes it is in the mp section.

MetroRider
09-16-17, 18:37
NO bro. I am the Escort of your dreams. Why does everyone ***** about rates going up? My rent went up. Doctors office calls went up. I know my worth and of you don't agree. Move on and shut your ugly woman bashing. All of you gents make the same mistakes over. And over. And over again. Lmao.

Those whom have met me already know that I am in excellent shape and a good person. But if a 20 year old does it for you then you get what you deserve.

B.My car lost value as soon as I puled it off the lot. My big screen TV that I bought last year is now on sale for half of what I paid for it, same goes for my I-Phone. My gym membership went up but as soon as I told them to cancel my membership because I'm going to join a gym that's cheaper they decided to match that gym's price and even give me some free stuff. My central air unit that I bought 5 years ago is now 13% more efficient and even cost less.

This is the problem with a lot of providers, they think their worth the same price today as they were 5 years ago, and some of them even try to raise their rates each year. Wine and cheese get better with age, not pussy.

Monger01
09-16-17, 19:24
Wow you really dug up an old post there!

I've seen maybe 3 GR escorts worth anywhere near 300 clams. This market is not a 300/ hr market. For me it's more so after so many trips to Vegas seeing perfect 10's for 300/ hr, sometimes 400. Noone in GR come close to that level. Google Hobbyshoplv. Those are not bait and switch. I've used them 15 x and you get the exact girls they picture there. There's new blood every few weeks. THOSE are worth 300/ hr and I pay it.

I cannot believe anyone pays Briana that rate. GPS city.


My car lost value as soon as I puled it off the lot. My big screen TV that I bought last year is now on sale for half of what I paid for it, same goes for my I-Phone. My gym membership went up but as soon as I told them to cancel my membership because I'm going to join a gym that's cheaper they decided to match that gym's price and even give me some free stuff. My central air unit that I bought 5 years ago is now 13% more efficient and even cost less.

This is the problem with a lot of providers, they think their worth the same price today as they were 5 years ago, and some of them even try to raise their rates each year. Wine and cheese get better with age, not pussy.

MetroRider
09-17-17, 11:51
Wow you really dug up an old post there!

I've seen maybe 3 GR escorts worth anywhere near 300 clams. This market is not a 300/ hr market. For me it's more so after so many trips to Vegas seeing perfect 10's for 300/ hr, sometimes 400. Noone in GR come close to that level. Google Hobbyshoplv. Those are not bait and switch. I've used them 15 x and you get the exact girls they picture there. There's new blood every few weeks. THOSE are worth 300/ hr and I pay it.

I cannot believe anyone pays Briana that rate. GPS city.Only 3 months, that's not that old is it? Anyway, Brianastar made a post in Detroit the other day that got deleted by the admin. For whatever reason I took a look at her posting history and seen her rant on rates. Since no one else seemed to have "what it takes" (I wanted to say "the balls") to post something showing the other side of the coin I figured WTF.

MetroRider
09-17-17, 12:06
NO bro. I am the Escort of your dreams. Why does everyone ***** about rates going up? My rent went up. Doctors office calls went up. I know my worth and of you don't agree. Move on and shut your ugly woman bashing. All of you gents make the same mistakes over. And over. And over again. Lmao.

Those whom have met me already know that I am in excellent shape and a good person. But if a 20 year old does it for you then you get what you deserve.

B.I would also like to think that an escort asking 300 an hour wouldn't use the term "Bro," but if that's your thing then to each his own.

Amaregraeco
09-17-17, 13:11
For some of us, me included, it comes down to the value proposition. Skill, talent, attitude, enthusiasm, looks, risk, and discretion relative to the cost of the delivered service. As Benz and others have opined about before, looks and attitude tend to be inversely correlated. It all comes down to respect, by the consumers, and by the providers.

Many will and do quietly contribute a more generous rate for premium service and an enthusiastic demeanor. At times, me as well. Nonetheless BP isn't generally known for isn't known for its $300/ hr providers. Caveat emptor, right?

MetroRider
09-17-17, 17:19
For some of us, me included, it comes down to the value proposition. Skill, talent, attitude, enthusiasm, looks, risk, and discretion relative to the cost of the delivered service. As Benz and others have opined about before, looks and attitude tend to be inversely correlated. It all comes down to respect, by the consumers, and by the providers.

Many will and do quietly contribute a more generous rate for premium service and an enthusiastic demeanor. At times, me as well. Nonetheless BP isn't generally known for isn't known for its $300/ hr providers. Caveat emptor, right?I bet you had your pinky finger out while you typed this. Asshole, table for one.

Benz1
09-17-17, 18:18
I'm not sure why he's here either. You're right, nobody asked his opinion about anything.

Yes I do know where he came from, it appears to be the city of Detroit.

How do I know?, I searched his posts and it appears that he started in Detroit.

I agree, he seems argumentative, when I checked his posted reports 74 of them were on the MotorCity Mayhem thread.

Yes, that's the fight thread in Detroit. Just like the Pugilistic tread in Grand Rapids.

No, I don't care what he says and I don't think anyone in Detroit does anymore either.

I agree, nobody cares in Detroit so he is trying to get some attention in Grand Rapids.

So you say they ignored him in Detroit and that's what we should do here too.

OK. I agree, we should just ignore him and he will probably go back to Detroit.

EdMonger
09-17-17, 18:32
Sorry Metro, we have class here on the west side of our state. We have varying opinions, but we are not arrogant SOBS like you apparently are. Go back to your hell hole Detroit and grovel in your own excrement. You are not even welcome there. LOL.


I bet you had your pinky finger out while you typed this. Asshole, table for one.

MetroRider
09-17-17, 18:59
I'm not sure why he's here either. You're right, nobody asked his opinion about anything.

Yes I do know where he came from, it appears to be the city of Detroit.

How do I know?, I searched his posts and it appears that he started in Detroit.

I agree, he seems argumentative, when I checked his posted reports 74 of them were on the MotorCity Mayhem thread.

Yes, that's the fight thread in Detroit. Just like the Pugilistic tread in Grand Rapids.

No, I don't care what he says and I don't think anyone in Detroit does anymore either.

I agree, nobody cares in Detroit so he is trying to get some attention in Grand Rapids.

So you say they ignored him in Detroit and that's what we should do here too.

OK. I agree, we should just ignore him and he will probably go back to Detroit.WOW! There's nothing getting by you, is there smart guy. Let me guess, you're one of the guys that likes to get fucked in the ass by Brianastar and 12" strap-on.

I could give two shits about Grand Rapids, like I said in my previous post I only post here because I felt someone needed to tell Brianastar to stop crying about guys bitching about rates.

Now if you want to keep running your man-pleaser I have no problem shoving my cock down your throat, and I wont even charge you.

PolishTheTurd
09-17-17, 20:12
WOW! There's nothing getting by you, is there smart guy. Let me guess, you're one of the guys that likes to get fucked in the ass by Brianastar and 12" strap-on.

I could give two shits about Grand Rapids, like I said in my previous post I only post here because I felt someone needed to tell Brianastar to stop crying about guys bitching about rates.

Now if you want to keep running your man-pleaser I have no problem shoving my cock down your throat, and I wont even charge you.MetroRider, why can't you post a SC report, dream from BP or cr, mp visit, SW date. Try to help us out on here? You seem to spend all of your time out in the Motor City Mayhem from Detroit lately? Just picking fights, seems like a waste of time and you don't need to be on this site. If you are not going to help fellow mongers out then leave now. Go up stairs and get a foot rub from your mom.

Charlie441
09-17-17, 21:42
I only post here because I felt someone needed to tell Brianastar to stop crying about guys bitching about rates.I agree that one should at least roll their eyes at any provider who puts up a hissy-fit about guys going No-Way and rolling their eyes about her rates if they're Way too high. And to providers such as her -- no, it's not about the value of You per se. But more about your Market value in the area you're in. That's why you could go to places like Vegas and get gals way hotter for the same mid-level price as found here. And it's a gem to find a hottie here at a mid-level price VS out there.

In the end, it's fine if a gal puts up her prices to whatever she wishes. But I would assume a response would be more like "I'm a high quality catch, but yes, I charge a lot more than most other girls and what most would pay. As I'm also not trying to take up my whole day every day taking up customers. I understand the average Joe not wanting to pay that much -- that's fair. It works for me and the way I roll, so that's what I do. " Not some response with flipping one's own hair, assuming that, like, any gal who's notably less than $300/ hr isn't worth it and only cheapskates would want anyone notably lower priced, and that high prices always = high quality as a law of nature (which it's not, of course).

That said, on the flip side -- it'd be silly for consumers to Critically b!tch too much about a provider who's very attractive but has way too a high price where it wouldn't be worth it for most. But generally speaking, I don't think that happens too much (around here at least)... but it is valid to retort against a gal who's doing so out of mere "I Deserve".

MetroRider
09-17-17, 23:33
MetroRider, why can't you post a SC report, dream from BP or cr, mp visit, SW date. Try to help us out on here? You seem to spend all of your time out in the Motor City Mayhem from Detroit lately? Just picking fights, seems like a waste of time and you don't need to be on this site. If you are not going to help fellow mongers out then leave now. Go up stairs and get a foot rub from your mom.1st off, I'm a grown ass man, I don't have "dreams" I fuck hookers, plain and simple. Look Turd-Boy, this site is for real men so get the fuck out of here with that dream BS. I'm amazed at how many dip-shits really thing that using the word dream is going to cover their ass from LE. This is a fight thread, stay the fuck out if your little pink pussy can't take it.

2nd, I'll make you a deal. You leave my mom out of this and I'll leave my cock out of your mom.

Now go home and get your fucking shine box!!!

MrLovaLova1
09-17-17, 23:36
I could give two shits about Grand Rapids, like I said in my previous post I only post here because I felt someone needed to tell Brianastar to stop crying about guys bitching about ratesContacting a provider directly and telling her directly that her rates are ridiculous takes some balls. Posting on a site anonymously, writing a pointless point, not so much. For someone who doesn't "give a shit about Grand Rapids" I only have one question: why the fuck are you even here? LOL some mongers should not be mongers but hey money doesn't discriminate.

MetroRider
09-17-17, 23:43
Sorry Metro, we have class here on the west side of our state. We have varying opinions, but we are not arrogant SOBS like you apparently are. Go back to your hell hole Detroit and grovel in your own excrement. You are not even welcome there. LOL.I'm sorry, would it make you feel better if I dragged my nut sack across your face? Look ass-wipe if I wanted any lip from you I'd get it off Benz1 zipper. I made my post about Brianastar and right away a bunch of ball-less fucks have to act like they are some kind of internet bad ass.

Shut the fuck up you old limp dick littlebitch.

Blackfire
09-18-17, 05:04
If everyone ignores him he will slink away. Obviously some get off on provocation, others get off on pussy. If it's not responded to it will be no fun and he will leave.

MetroRider
09-18-17, 06:23
If everyone ignores him he will slink away. Obviously some get off on provocation, others get off on pussy. If it's not responded to it will be no fun and he will leave.True, STFU and don't attack me because I posted about some hooker from your area and I won't have to put my foot in your ass. There was no reason for anyone to reply to my post they way they did unless they were looking for a fight.

MetroRider
09-18-17, 17:02
Contacting a provider directly and telling her directly that her rates are ridiculous takes some balls. Posting on a site anonymously, writing a pointless point, not so much. For someone who doesn't "give a shit about Grand Rapids" I only have one question: why the fuck are you even here? LOL some mongers should not be mongers but hey money doesn't discriminate.By "contacting a provider directly" do you me send her a PM, How about an email, text, phone call, or maybe hit her up on Facebook? Even if I booked an appointment and went to her incall and told her in person I would still be fucking anonymous dumb-ass. What the fuck is any provider going to do, kick my ass? The worst that could happen is she posts about me in the ladies-room and puts me on the do not see bad boys list, we all know those black lists aren't worth a shit.

Maybe you should work on growing so brains before you even think about growing balls.

Now go home and get your fucking shine box!!!

MrLovaLova1
09-19-17, 11:10
Hello Fellow Mongers, just wanted to say how great the weather is lately here in Grand Rapids. Perfect time for car dates or for the adventurous a romp on the actual hood of a car. If you haven't partaken in the latter I suggest you use this weather we're to do so and don't forget to report back.

MetroRider
09-19-17, 18:48
Hello Fellow Mongers, just wanted to say how great the weather is lately here in Grand Rapids. Perfect time for car dates or for the adventurous a romp on the actual hood of a car. If you haven't partaken in the latter I suggest you use this weather we're to do so and don't forget to report back.This is the "fight thread," take your candy ass kumbaya post to the SW or general reports thread.

Bloozer
09-19-17, 19:56
This is the "fight thread," take your candy ass kumbaya post to the SW or general reports thread.It gives new meaning to the word, "hoodie!

MetroRider
09-19-17, 22:57
It gives new meaning to the word, "hoodie!Hahahahahahaha.

Bth9318
09-26-17, 23:55
Who PM'd me for Destiny's new digits. By monger 1.

Introduce yourself and get involved! Some of you told me how you've been mongering for years yet have no posts? Share! Review someone. Join the team! This forum works because of interaction, not leaching.

Was going to post in BP ads but figured it would get deleted because it wasn't strictly about getting pussy. Benz has pointed this out also. We have all seen the post from guys who say "I only see ones with good reviews" or they run on about someone who got ripped off and say "that's why I don't tofft" but my favorite is the one who doesn't post a review of someone they don't want to share and then when someone else does a review they chime in with a report and how they seen them weeks ago or have seen them multiple times and agree with a review. Nobody is saying you have to tofft like Ted Bear and again thank you Ted and wolverine for all you have done. But hey even if you can help filter out the fake b. S. That helps. Make a phone call, text save others from wasting time. I myself haven't tofft like Ted Bear but who has. But I have done a few. Yes it's nerve racking but everyone needs to at some point. I have two young Muskegon girls that I will share with tofft contributers through pm If interested.

NoseJelly
09-27-17, 15:46
I bet you had your pinky finger out while you typed this. Asshole, table for one.I'm tired of these Knucklle Draggers from the East SiiiiiiDe. Don't come here with your self-hating BS. It's not our fault your Local Gub Ment requires that your Daddy also be your Uncle in order for yo Mama to git PUB Lick ASSistance. Go Home! Shut yo Pie Hole and ask your mommy if she'll iron your clothes for you.

Monger01
09-27-17, 16:23
Thanks bth. That's really how I feel about it. I get newbies not toftt. I am even ok with vets not doing it. It's not for everyone. Hell I got robbed last time I did it. But for God sakes post something if you claim to have been mongering for years.

Years of mongering is not a newbie! To pm me for nonpublic digits with zero posts is really asking a lot imo. I didn't require a member had to give me secret digits in trade. But at least participate somehow on this board before begging for a favor.


Who PM'd me for Destiny's new digits. By monger 1.

Introduce yourself and get involved! Some of you told me how you've been mongering for years yet have no posts? Share! Review someone. Join the team! This forum works because of interaction, not leaching.

Was going to post in BP ads but figured it would get deleted because it wasn't strictly about getting pussy. Benz has pointed this out also. We have all seen the post from guys who say "I only see ones with good reviews" or they run on about someone who got ripped off and say "that's why I don't tofft" but my favorite is the one who doesn't post a review of someone they don't want to share and then when someone else does a review they chime in with a report and how they seen them weeks ago or have seen them multiple times and agree with a review. Nobody is saying you have to tofft like Ted Bear and again thank you Ted and wolverine for all you have done. But hey even if you can help filter out the fake b. S. That helps. Make a phone call, text save others from wasting time. I myself haven't tofft like Ted Bear but who has. But I have done a few. Yes it's nerve racking but everyone needs to at some point. I have two young Muskegon girls that I will share with tofft contributers through pm If interested.

Charlie441
09-27-17, 18:12
Thanks bth. That's really how I feel about it. I get newbies not toftt. I am even ok with vets not doing it. It's not for everyone. Hell I got robbed last time I did it. But for God sakes post something if you claim to have been mongering for years.Or at least if you're not TOFTT, post about those. You can even go toward ones you're not TOFTT, but could still use some extra eyes when they're sorta new. And even when you're re-iterating what others have said in their last posted adventures with the same girl. Which, I admit, I should do more of.

And to TOFTT, when you don't go out on a limb by finding the similarities between their ad & others that are verified, and follow the Guidelines and err on the side of caution to avoid anything slightly suspicious, thinking with your big head and not the little one. Your chances are pretty darn low. But regardless, since you did get robbed, I can understand holding off on that for a good while.

Benz1
09-27-17, 21:31
Or at least if you're not TOFTT, post about those. You can even go toward ones you're not TOFTT, but could still use some extra eyes when they're sorta new. And even when you're re-iterating what others have said in their last posted adventures with the same girl. Which, I admit, I should do more of.

And to TOFTT, when you don't go out on a limb by finding the similarities between their ad & others that are verified, and follow the Guidelines and err on the side of caution to avoid anything slightly suspicious, thinking with your big head and not the little one. Your chances are pretty darn low. But regardless, since you did get robbed, I can understand holding off on that for a good while.Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 3).

Thank you for your input BoyBear and Polish the Turd.

Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on TinEye.

1. A Search her number on Facebook. / It would wise to have a hobby (fake) FB page before searching. (Thanks BoyBear).

Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.

Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.

Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.

Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.

A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.

B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.

If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.

C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).

D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.

Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.

Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.

Step 8 : Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.

A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.

B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.

Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.

Step 10: Check every room for safety.

Step 11 : Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.

Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.

12 A: Include a link to the providers advertisement so we know who you are reviewing. (Thanks Polish The Turd).

These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.

Just trying to help.

Fellow Monger Benz1.

Dave Usa
09-27-17, 22:31
Another three martini lunch? Please pass the popcorn.


I'm tired of these Knucklle (booze talk redacted) iron your clothes for you.

MetroRider
09-27-17, 22:56
I'm tired of these Knucklle Draggers from the East SiiiiiiDe. Don't come here with your self-hating BS. It's not our fault your Local Gub Ment requires that your Daddy also be your Uncle in order for yo Mama to git PUB Lick ASSistance. Go Home! Shut yo Pie Hole and ask your mommy if she'll iron your clothes for you.I'll make you a deal. You leave my mom out of this and I'll leave my cock out of your mom.

Now go home and get your fucking shine box!!!

P.S. You should look into this add on - https://www.grammarly.com/?q=brand&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=brand_f1&utm_content=76996511046&utm_term=grammarly&matchtype=e&placement=&network=g&gclid=CjwKCAjwmK3OBRBKEiwAOL6t1FiTo8ffIjYMicyi-0rzfychB0FVX1paiX1GX4uc2seKkk9CQ3tyAxoCVuoQAvD_BwE - It will help you with your grammar and spelling.

You can thank me later.

MetroRider
09-27-17, 23:00
Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 3).

Thank you for your input BoyBear and Polish the Turd.

Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on TinEye.Just an FYI, Google Image is a 1000 times better then TinEye.

MetroRider
09-27-17, 23:01
Another three martini lunch? Please pass the popcorn.From his posting style I was assuming it was a three dick lunch.

NoseJelly
09-28-17, 09:32
Another three martini lunch? Please pass the popcorn.Hi Davey! You finally found a thread to post on that won't get you flagged by Admin. Kudos!

NoseJelly
09-28-17, 09:34
From his posting style I was assuming it was a three dick lunch.You post a lot about "Dick". Hmmmm.

Monger01
09-28-17, 09:41
I don't mind seeing a review of a known provider. Things change. Service gets better or worse, rates change, lurking pimps get discovered, I could go on and on. I typically read many reviews and cobble together a picture of what my encounter might be like. One review may have service details. Another has location info. Another rates or a differing opinion on the girl.

My point is even if you're not toftt you add value to all by posting experiences. Good or bad.


Or at least if you're not TOFTT, post about those. You can even go toward ones you're not TOFTT, but could still use some extra eyes when they're sorta new. And even when you're re-iterating what others have said in their last posted adventures with the same girl. Which, I admit, I should do more of.

And to TOFTT, when you don't go out on a limb by finding the similarities between their ad & others that are verified, and follow the Guidelines and err on the side of caution to avoid anything slightly suspicious, thinking with your big head and not the little one. Your chances are pretty darn low. But regardless, since you did get robbed, I can understand holding off on that for a good while.

MetroRider
09-28-17, 17:59
You post a lot about "Dick". Hmmmm.You suck a lot of dick, so your point is?

NoseJelly
09-29-17, 00:10
You suck a lot of dick, so your point is?Wishful thinking on your part. Can someone PM this Eastside Piece of Shit a link to the M4 M Detroit CL section? I'm sure he already has it bookmarked on his Mom's Ipad, but let's let him pretend he doesn't.

MrLovaLova1
09-29-17, 09:51
You suck a lot of dick, so your point is?The ladies love sucking my dick a lot is my point, and the point of this forum homophobe.

Dave Usa
09-29-17, 11:53
Hi Davey! You finally found a thread to post on that won't get you flagged by Admin. Kudos!Thanks for your kudos Mr. Jelly. However, having yet to run afoul of Admin here, I'm not sure they're deserved. But accepted all the same.

I do enjoy this thread. Some here have posted helpful information and good advice. I have challenged the ideas of others and had my own ideas challenged too. We've seen interesting banter. Some tongue in cheek, some well-intentioned and some not so much. This is a place we can learn and play and fight while keeping the review threads less cluttered and more useful.

FlowMaster1
09-29-17, 15:34
The ladies love sucking my dick a lot is my point, and the point of this forum homophobe.Millennial's are stealing your jobs and SW's get use to it. Old men need not apply LOL.

MetroRider
09-29-17, 23:19
I like it when guys pull it out off my ass and cum on my face.That's gay.

NoseJelly
09-29-17, 23:58
No One sucks as much dick as me!!!Nothing to brag about Punk. If you didn't like the taste so much, I'd slap it out of your EastsiiiiDe Kid Rock mouth.

NoseJelly
09-30-17, 00:03
Mommy! When you're done cutting the crust off my PB&J sandwich, will you trim my toenails again?.How embarrassing!

MrLovaLova1
09-30-17, 10:36
Millennial's are stealing your jobs and SW's get use to it. Old men need not apply LOL.I make more money than most millennials your point is invalid.

FlowMaster1
09-30-17, 15:22
I make more money than most millennials your point is invalid.Only for four years or after internship than your job. Kind of a sobering thought isn't it?

Bth9318
10-03-17, 03:57
What the hell is going on with rates? $80-100 for ss 100-120 for hhr $175-200 for hr. Why the hell are people paying this? I don't mind paying $200 or more for quality pussy but 99% of these BP bitches are glorified street walkers with a phone. People ***** about gps then they are out encouraging it paying $100- $120 for hh which alot of times turns out to be nothing more than a BJ. Benz1 please chime in here. You people ever hear of negotiating? Espesially with BP all jacked up they can't advertise like before. I'm starting to see them on Craigslist now. I had one quote me 150 hr. I said no I would do 120 hr msog and she came to me. Now I'm a regular $80 for the hour. If she calls me it's 60 hr msog. C'Mon. Stop gps before it to late.

MetroRider
10-03-17, 19:35
What the hell is going on with rates? $80-100 for ss 100-120 for hhr $175-200 for hr. Why the hell are people paying this? I don't mind paying $200 or more for quality pussy but 99% of these BP bitches are glorified street walkers with a phone. People ***** about gps then they are out encouraging it paying $100- $120 for hh which alot of times turns out to be nothing more than a BJ. Benz1 please chime in here. You people ever hear of negotiating? Espesially with BP all jacked up they can't advertise like before. I'm starting to see them on Craigslist now. I had one quote me 150 hr. I said no I would do 120 hr msog and she came to me. Now I'm a regular $80 for the hour. If she calls me it's 60 hr msog. C'Mon. Stop gps before it to late.Very true, and if it wasn't for the internet the other 1% would be walking too. What it really comes down to is, 95% of hobbyist are just fucking dumb and spineless when it comes to pussy. They will negotiate the price of a new car, house, furniture, etc, but when it comes to pussy they won't even ask if it's CBJ or BBBJ. They just hope for the best.

MetroRider
10-03-17, 19:42
How embarrassing!How is that embarrassing? She even make me meatloaf. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCYArey8ykU.

Maybe if your mother got her ass off Division for a night she might do something nice for you.

MetroRider
10-03-17, 19:47
Nothing to brag about Punk. If you didn't like the taste so much, I'd slap it out of your EastsiiiiDe Kid Rock mouth.1st it was lame as shit to copy me but with your use of the word "punk" I'm assuming your ass is old as fuck so I'll let it slide. 2nd Kid Rock is bad ass unlike that faggity ass Barry Manilow shit your boyfriend fucks your ass too.

Benz1
10-03-17, 22:31
What the hell is going on with rates? $80-100 for ss 100-120 for hhr $175-200 for hr. Why the hell are people paying this? I don't mind paying $200 or more for quality pussy but 99% of these BP bitches are glorified street walkers with a phone. People ***** about gps then they are out encouraging it paying $100- $120 for hh which alot of times turns out to be nothing more than a BJ. Benz1 please chime in here. You people ever hear of negotiating? Espesially with BP all jacked up they can't advertise like before. I'm starting to see them on Craigslist now. I had one quote me 150 hr. I said no I would do 120 hr msog and she came to me. Now I'm a regular $80 for the hour. If she calls me it's 60 hr msog. C'Mon. Stop gps before it to late.First of all I would never make the appointment for anything more than 60 SS. I've been very successful at 30 and 40 if you do it right.

Text on a Tuesday between 10:30 and noon (checkout time) using a phone app on my hobby phone. The first text will be a negotiation I probably won't get, 30 ss or car date. Saying I want BBBJCIM ws. It rarely works on the first call, It usually fails.

I text again in another 10 min. Using my real hoby phone number and add 10 or 15 to my last offer with my other number. She didn't get any calls in between and it's a better offer than the last one I made from my phone app number. She usually says Yes how fast can you get here. I need room rent.
I love eating fine tasting pussy, I'm usually there hhr because they love it too.
The rate you set on the first visit usually holds for future appointments. But not on Friday or Saturday. Plan ahead, never be horny on a Friday or Saturday, you will usually get shorted or ripped off with bad service.
Never pay upfront, show her the money and put it back in your pocket. This will help secure the sevice negotiated and avoid upselling. Don't forget to pay at the end.
This only works on Tuesday and Wednesday. Business picks up later in the week and they are getting other calls, you will be ignored.

Always be willing to walk out on the upsell, when I say I want BBBJCIM I also tell them I'm recently showered too. I've been told cim is more money, while I'm laying on the bed with my pants off. I get up to leave, before my hand hits the doorknob they are retracting the upsell.

Negotiations in MP are the same process, when I say I need a BJ and they say HJ, I will only give 20 tip. They say 40, I say don't worry about it and start jerkin off, before I get to the 4th stroke they are doing it for 20. But never on a Friday or Saturday.

While they are giving me the BBBJ I do some upsell in of my own. "I just got one yesterday, this might take awhile. Have you ever given a prostrate massage?" No? "I can teach you". LOL, works most of the time.

Should I add this to my 12 step TOFTT Program?
No GPS for me, stay smart, stay safe.

Bth9318
10-03-17, 23:39
First of all I would never make the appointment for anything more than 60 SS. I've been very successful at 30 and 40 if you do it right.

Text on a Tuesday between 10:30 and noon (checkout time) using a phone app on my hobby phone. The first text will be a negotiation I probably won't get, 30 ss or car date. Saying I want BBBJCIM ws. It rarely works on the first call, It usually fails.

I text again in another 10 min. Using my real hoby phone number and add 10 or 15 to my last offer with my other number. She didn't get any calls in between and it's a better offer than the last one I made from my phone app number. She usually says Yes how fast can you get here. I need room rent.
I love eating fine tasting pussy, I'm usually there hhr because they love it too.
The rate you set on the first visit usually holds for future appointments. But not on Friday or Saturday. Plan ahead, never be horny on a Friday or Saturday, you will usually get shorted or ripped off with bad service.
Never pay upfront, show her the money and put it back in your pocket. This will help secure the sevice negotiated and avoid upselling. Don't forget to pay at the end.
This only works on Tuesday and Wednesday. Business picks up later in the week and they are getting other calls, you will be ignored.

Always be willing to walk out on the upsell, when I say I want BBBJCIM I also tell them I'm recently showered too. I've been told cim is more money, while I'm laying on the bed with my pants off. I get up to leave, before my hand hits the doorknob they are retracting the upsell.

Negotiations in MP are the same process, when I say I need a BJ and they say HJ, I will only give 20 tip. They say 40, I say don't worry about it and start jerkin off, before I get to the 4th stroke they are doing it for 20. But never on a Friday or Saturday.

While they are giving me the BBBJ I do some upsell in of my own. "I just got one yesterday, this might take awhile. Have you ever given a prostrate massage?" No? "I can teach you". LOL, works most of the time.

Should I add this to my 12 step TOFTT Program?
No GPS for me, stay smart, stay safe.Yes well said. Same with metro rider I agree with that also. I love the don't be horny on the weekend. I would have posted in the BP section but worried about being censored. You never know around here. Maybe you should add to the tofft. Because sometimes when they are use to getting $120 hhr that that these bozo's are paying then they cop an additude with you or try to hurry you when you do talk them down.

Charlie441
10-04-17, 02:00
First of all I would never make the appointment for anything more than 60 SS. I've been very successful at 30 and 40 if you do it right.Good info. My thoughts: Are these girls who you never hit up before or haven't in a Long time, who are "Meh"? Obviously not seemingly GPS, but ones who are a few steps lower than seemingly not GPS, and not ones you'd figure you'd repeat, but heard/remembered they were kosher (or TOFTT)?


Negotiations in MP are the same process, when I say I need a BJ and they say HJ, I will only give 20 tip. They say 40, I say don't worry about it and start jerkin off, before I get to the 4th stroke they are doing it for 20. But never on a Friday or Saturday.But what about the situation where they don't rule out BJ, but throw out two separate prices on each? In your example, it covers the HJ for 20 instead of 40, right? So what if she says 60 if you want me to kiss it, but to touch it, it's 40 ? What angle do you play there?

Benz1
10-04-17, 08:34
Good info. My thoughts: Are these girls who you never hit up before or haven't in a Long time, who are "Meh"? Obviously not seemingly GPS, but ones who are a few steps lower than seemingly not GPS, and not ones you'd figure you'd repeat, but heard/remembered they were kosher (or TOFTT)?

But what about the situation where they don't rule out BJ, but throw out two separate prices on each? In your example, it covers the HJ for 20 instead of 40, right? So what if she says 60 if you want me to kiss it, but to touch it, it's 40 ? What angle do you play there?The 20 HJ is for your typical rub and tug. My cock is just one more muscle for them to massage, They should do their job without attitude! After I tip them 20 I don't plan on seeing them again.

It's rare to find a girl with great massage skills in GR, I'm very picky. I can only think of two girls in GR that have the right skills, and attitude worth rewarding more than 20. Amy at Healthy Habits I've seen her a few times and she is well worth the matching door fee that is expected for a great massage and stellar ending. The other one is Natasha (Queen of Panacea) I have not seen her yet, our schedules haven't worked out and hopefully someday I will have the opportunity to see her. Natasha has had continuous rave reviews from multiple sources over many years, those reviews from many including our seniors have made the statement: she does not require the tip up front and the experience is repeatedly awesome. Do not short these women, just because they don't ask upfront. They are both a rare find in GR, keep them happy with at least a matching door fee.

Answering the HJ / BJ question: The BJ price I will pay reflects a few things, was the massage good, if no I apply the escort price, I can get a BJ for 40 because I don't know if this girl has BJ or prostrate massage skills, I already know she doesn't have the massage skills for me to return. If her massage skills suck she probably has a lousy rushed BJ too. That's why its 40 max.

Do I want to return and get the same great service and she is offering BJ? Will she take direction well? BLS, Swallow and tell you how good you taste, let you see it dripping off her chin then use her finger to swipe it back into her mouth with a slurp and a grin? That girl gets a good tip. At least 60. Those girls no how to work it and end up with sugar daddies.

This is being written on the fight tread so here we go.

A good example of MP GPS is Brittany25. She wants 80 for a half hour, that's 40 for the hhr and 40 tip upfront. I don't get to decide if it was worth tipping and she could be having a rushed or bad day. Sorry I don't play that way. Brittany will never get my business with GPS.

Comment and White Knight her if you want too. It won't change my opinion of a girl that demands tip up front. That is GPS.

Monger01
10-04-17, 09:41
Add Linda at Pacific 44th. Everything you described below is her.



It's rare to find a girl with great massage skills in GR, I'm very picky. I can only think of two girls in GR that have the right skills, and attitude worth rewarding more than 20. Amy at Healthy Habits I've seen her a few times and she is well worth the matching door fee that is expected for a great massage and stellar ending. The other one is Natasha (Queen of Panacea) I have not seen her yet, our schedules haven't worked out and hopefully someday I will have the opportunity to see her. Natasha has had continuous rave reviews from multiple sources over many years, those reviews from many including our seniors have made the statement: she does not require the tip up front and the experience is repeatedly awesome. Do not short these women, just because they don't ask upfront. They are both a rare find in GR, keep them happy with at least a matching door.

Benz1
10-04-17, 10:03
Yes well said. Same with metro rider I agree with that also. I love the don't be horny on the weekend. I would have posted in the BP section but worried about being censored. You never know around here. Maybe you should add to the tofft. Because sometimes when they are use to getting $120 hhr that that these bozo's are paying then they cop an additude with you or try to hurry you when you do talk them down.If they want 120 hhr, let some other fool pay that. If we unite on pricing they will have to move to Kalamazoo or Detroit but not Lansing, Lansing mongers won't pay those prices and the girls know it. So it can be done, they also don't share very many links or reviews publicly, you have to earn your stripes to receive the hidden treasures of Lansing.

The choice is ours, they will charge as much as we let them. If roles were reversed, we would do the same, so we can't blame them if they think one or two fools set the price.

GweedoMumford
10-04-17, 10:42
The 20 HJ is for your typical rub and tug. My cock is just one more muscle for them to massage, They should do their job without attitude! After I tip them 20 I don't plan on seeing them again.

It's rare to find a girl with great massage skills in GR, I'm very picky. I can only think of two girls in GR that have the right skills, and attitude worth rewarding more than 20. Amy at Healthy Habits I've seen her a few times and she is well worth the matching door fee that is expected for a great massage and stellar ending. The other one is Natasha (Queen of Panacea) I have not seen her yet, our schedules haven't worked out and hopefully someday I will have the opportunity to see her. Natasha has had continuous rave reviews from multiple sources over many years, those reviews from many including our seniors have made the statement: she does not require the tip up front and the experience is repeatedly awesome. Do not short these women, just because they don't ask upfront. They are both a rare find in GR, keep them happy with at least a matching door fee.

Answering the HJ / BJ question: The BJ price I will pay reflects a few things, was the massage good, if no I apply the escort price, I can get a BJ for 40 because I don't know if this girl has BJ or prostrate massage skills, I already know she doesn't have the massage skills for me to return. If her massage skills suck she probably has a lousy rushed BJ too. That's why its 40 max.

Do I want to return and get the same great service and she is offering BJ? Will she take direction well? BLS, Swallow and tell you how good you taste, let you see it dripping off her chin then use her finger to swipe it back into her mouth with a slurp and a grin? That girl gets a good tip. At least 60. Those girls no how to work it and end up with sugar daddies.

This is being written on the fight tread so here we go.

A good example of MP GPS is Brittany25. She wants 80 for a half hour, that's 40 for the hhr and 40 tip upfront. I don't get to decide if it was worth tipping and she could be having a rushed or bad day. Sorry I don't play that way. Brittany will never get my business with GPS.

Comment and White Knight her if you want too. It won't change my opinion of a girl that demands tip up front. That is GPS.I saw brit a few weeks ago and my view is.

Good lookig girl, good skills all the way around, but I know she has a lot of Do Nots and that was a deal breaker for me. Every time I tried just a little to feel comfortable she was all over it. No fiv or even getting close. Limited roaming all the way around. I realize she has stated her case, and she has her own business to run. I just won't spend my money there, when for the same $$ or less I can have it the way I want it with somebody who looks the same or better. I think she is adorable but without extras on the menu. Meh for me.

MetroRider
10-04-17, 18:36
Calling all Ravishing Ryder white knights, calling all Ravishing Ryder white knights, you better get your asses over to the Detroit escort thread and defend your ATF hooker, she's taking a beating.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4499-Escort-Reports

Charlie441
10-04-17, 20:16
The 20 HJ is for your typical rub and tug. My cock is just one more muscle for them to massage, They should do their job without attitude! After I tip them 20 I don't plan on seeing them again.Yeah, I've been guilty at Pancea and Royal paying too much. Lexi was great to me (a good day for her?) my second trip, and I didn't have to tip much as I wanted to heed myself from going down that line, but had no bullet-point routine in mind. But I get what you're saying: Unless they're (consistently) within the Elite status, aim for 20 because it's just a shake-and-bake like anything else. That said, I think at some places, they want 40 tip for HHR even with just a massage in mind. With the attitude of "Hey, well, yeah, it's not like I'm skimping you out of a happy ending, so why are you so cheap?" Basically a POV that a "standard" market price is / should-be $40 for anyone "par". Which I don't agree with, especially if that half-hour turns into more like 15 minutes.


Answering the HJ / BJ question: ......... If her massage skills suck she probably has a lousy rushed BJ too. That's why its 40 max.Makes sense. 20 for HJ unless she's a rarity / regular, then 40.40 for BJ at the most unless she's a rarity / regular, then maybe 60.


A good example of MP GPS is Brittany25. She wants 80 for a half hour, that's 40 for the hhr and 40 tip upfront. I don't get to decide if it was worth tipping and she could be having a rushed or bad day. Sorry I don't play that way. Brittany will never get my business with GPS.Well, in defense of her position, if she already has a great review thing going (if) -- then $40 tip at least excludes the negotiation thing or her wanting $60 for a great massage and a HJ that many will vie for. So one at least knows that's not coming. Problem is, nothing else is on the table from what I've heard. Although if she's doing it for school / money, and the guy is decently nice looking, she'd probably do more -- into the GPS high scoreboard realm. But, if one's "happy" just getting an HJ from a real cute gal with great reviews of how she is and the comfort zone of the environment. Then straight-up $40 tip no haggling by her is something I can see a lot of guys being a-okay with. As too many guys have to jostle with the girl like a wide receiver and a defensive back just to get "only" $40 out of a hhr tip when she's in the hotter realm.

Monger01
10-04-17, 20:47
Am I the only one that has no fing clue who the hell Ravishing Ryder is and also could give 2 shits about another east side skank?


Calling all Ravishing Ryder white knights, calling all Ravishing Ryder white knights, you better get your asses over to the Detroit escort thread and defend your ATF hooker, she's taking a beating.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4499-Escort-Reports

Benz1
10-04-17, 21:09
Yeah, I've been guilty at Pancea and Royal paying too much. Lexi was great to me (a good day for her?) my second trip, and I didn't have to tip much as I wanted to heed myself from going down that line, but had no bullet-point routine in mind. But I get what you're saying: Unless they're (consistently) within the Elite status, aim for 20 because it's just a shake-and-bake like anything else. That said, I think at some places, they want 40 tip for HHR even with just a massage in mind. With the attitude of "Hey, well, yeah, it's not like I'm skimping you out of a happy ending, so why are you so cheap?" Basically a POV that a "standard" market price is / should-be $40 for anyone "par". Which I don't agree with, especially if that half-hour turns into more like 15 minutes.

Makes sense. 20 for HJ unless she's a rarity / regular, then 40.40 for BJ at the most unless she's a rarity / regular, then maybe 60.

Well, in defense of her position, if she already has a great review thing going (if) -- then $40 tip at least excludes the negotiation thing or her wanting $60 for a great massage and a HJ that many will vie for. So one at least knows that's not coming. Problem is, nothing else is on the table from what I've heard. Although if she's doing it for school / money, and the guy is decently nice looking, she'd probably do more -- into the GPS high scoreboard realm. But, if one's "happy" just getting an HJ from a real cute gal with great reviews of how she is and the comfort zone of the environment. Then straight-up $40 tip no haggling by her is something I can see a lot of guys being a-okay with. As too many guys have to jostle with the girl like a wide receiver and a defensive back just to get "only" $40 out of a hhr tip when she's in the hotter realm.Sorry Charlie, I don't think we're on the same page. I didn't say anything about hot and I will not factor that into the massage tip. I won't tip for hot. If the Massuse is good and gives a great ending, that's what matters to me. If you pay for hot then you usually end up supporting GPS. These ranting posts are about ending the GPS.

This should all be on the General Reports thread, unless we start arguing about Brittany25 or any other girl that wants to charge 80 for a hhr. Assuming that it is 40 for the hhr and 40 tip which she has not earned until the end, not the beginning. That is Golden Pussy Syndrome! Pay me my tip before I touch you because I'm that good!
That is GPS.
Just because Brittany has good reviews doesn't mean I would tip before the massage. What if she is having a rushed bad day? She gets the tip anyway? Bull Shit!
Amy at Healthy Habits and Natasha at Panacea have great reviews too and they don't require a tip before the massage. They Do Not have GPS

Monger01
10-05-17, 08:40
Have your standards but they will differ sometimes with others. I will pay more for hot. Not a lot more but more.

My standard starts at minimum service level and menu. I expect GFE like it used to mean: LFK or DFK, FIV and cim. I won't even see an ugly girl at a low price with less than that menu and I'll never see a hot girl with less either.. Servicewise I want enthusiasm and nice feminine attitude. With all that in mind I'm not paying 100+hh for a homely looking overweight girl. Looks matter to me. But I will pay a little extra for hot with my menu and service level met.

Ava is a good example of what I won't pay for. At 120 hh her menu lacks cim. She's pretty but not super hot but not gfe so doesn't matter.

Destiny on the otherhand I will pay a little extra for. I think her new 1 hour rate is a bit high but as in demand as she's become I'm not surprised she raised rates.

For massage I'm more on Benz program. That's why I go to pacific on 44th. No preservice tip is ever mentioned and I know which girls give a great massage as well.


Sorry Charlie, I don't think we're on the same page. I didn't say anything about hot and I will not factor that into the massage tip. I won't tip for hot. If the Massuse is good and gives a great ending, that's what matters to me. If you pay for hot then you usually end up supporting GPS. These ranting posts are about ending the GPS.

This should all be on the General Reports thread, unless we start arguing about Brittany25 or any other girl that wants to charge 80 for a hhr. Assuming that it is 40 for the hhr and 40 tip which she has not earned until the end, not the beginning. That is Golden Pussy Syndrome! Pay me my tip before I touch you because I'm that good!
That is GPS.
Just because Brittany has good reviews doesn't mean I would tip before the massage. What if she is having a rushed bad day? She gets the tip anyway? Bull Shit!
Amy at Healthy Habits and Natasha at Panacea have great reviews too and they don't require a tip before the massage. They Do Not have GPS

Love The Lips
10-05-17, 17:45
Sorry Charlie, I don't think we're on the same page. I didn't say anything about hot and I will not factor that into the massage tip. I won't tip for hot. If the Massuse is good and gives a great ending, that's what matters to me. If you pay for hot then you usually end up supporting GPS. These ranting posts are about ending the GPS.

This should all be on the General Reports thread, unless we start arguing about Brittany25 or any other girl that wants to charge 80 for a hhr. Assuming that it is 40 for the hhr and 40 tip which she has not earned until the end, not the beginning. That is Golden Pussy Syndrome! Pay me my tip before I touch you because I'm that good!
That is GPS.
Just because Brittany has good reviews doesn't mean I would tip before the massage. What if she is having a rushed bad day? She gets the tip anyway? Bull Shit!
Amy at Healthy Habits and Natasha at Panacea have great reviews too and they don't require a tip before the massage. They Do Not have GPSI really want to try out Amy at HH. She sounds nice like Natasha. How much is on her menu? Standard HE or is there more?

Charlie441
10-05-17, 18:24
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/open-minded/16462353

I don't share the intimate details. Let it be said that I enjoyed her ministrations and may return.You didn't mean / misspell menstruation, did you? Not my style, but that's just my not-so-unique taste. .

Otto22
10-05-17, 20:17
You didn't mean / misspell menstruation, did you? Not my style, but that's just my not-so-unique taste. .Ministrations is an entirely different word. You can look it up.

Bismark
10-05-17, 20:51
You didn't mean / misspell menstruation, did you? Not my style, but that's just my not-so-unique taste. .Ministration is an older word that means basically to pay close and special attention to something. It usually applies to healthcare (a nurse's ministrations can promote healing) or religious (the minister's flock enjoyed his ministrations as they showed the depth of his love for his flock) contexts.

I don't think his comment had anything to do with menstruation which is entirely different.

MetroRider
10-07-17, 12:36
Am I the only one that has no fing clue who the hell Ravishing Ryder is and also could give 2 shits about another east side skank?Why is there so much animosity towards the Eastside, I never see anything negative posted in the Detroit forum about Grand Rapids?

RogerOver
10-07-17, 16:22
Sorry Charlie, I don't think we're on the same page. I didn't say anything about hot and I will not factor that into the massage tip. I won't tip for hot. If the Massuse is good and gives a great ending, that's what matters to me. If you pay for hot then you usually end up supporting GPS. These ranting posts are about ending the GPS.

This should all be on the General Reports thread, unless we start arguing about Brittany25 or any other girl that wants to charge 80 for a hhr. Assuming that it is 40 for the hhr and 40 tip which she has not earned until the end, not the beginning. That is Golden Pussy Syndrome! Pay me my tip before I touch you because I'm that good!
That is GPS.
Just because Brittany has good reviews doesn't mean I would tip before the massage. What if she is having a rushed bad day? She gets the tip anyway? Bull Shit!
Amy at Healthy Habits and Natasha at Panacea have great reviews too and they don't require a tip before the massage. They Do Not have GPSI want to make sure I understand. Are you on a mission to make sure you pay the least possible for an HE? In order to end GPS?

Dude, some of us aren't counting our pennies here. I have pretty good experiences and yes, probably overpay. But there's a reason the girls I see will cancel an appointment with someone like you to see someone like me.

My advice: Just go buy a fleshlight, get the Oculus Rift and get an invite to a good porn torrent site. You'll save a shitload of money and teach all these chicks that they are out your twenty bucks! LOL.
BTW, I do want to throw out there that I think Britney is pretty fucking awesome.

MetroRider
10-07-17, 16:40
I want to make sure I understand. Are you on a mission to make sure you pay the least possible for an HE? In order to end GPS?

Dude, some of us aren't counting our pennies here. I have pretty good experiences and yes, probably overpay. But there's a reason the girls I see will cancel an appointment with someone like you to see someone like me.

My advice: Just go buy a fleshlight, get the Oculus Rift and get an invite to a good porn torrent site. You'll save a shitload of money and teach all these chicks that they are out your twenty bucks! LOL.
BTW, I do want to throw out there that I think Britney is pretty fucking awesome.This is very true, sometimes paying a little extra will get you top billing. So will having a clean ass when you show up and not being a creepy. If you can pull off all three you should hit VIP status.

RogerOver
10-07-17, 17:03
This is very true, sometimes paying a little extra will get you top billing. So will having a clean ass when you show up and not being a creepy. If you can pull off all three you should hit VIP status.Good points. I'm finding this may be beyond the reach of some of the patrons visiting these hotties.

MrLovaLova1
10-07-17, 17:09
I want to make sure I understand. Are you on a mission to make sure you pay the least possible for an HE? In order to end GPS?

Dude, some of us aren't counting our pennies here. I have pretty good experiences and yes, probably overpay. But there's a reason the girls I see will cancel an appointment with someone like you to see someone like me.

My advice: Just go buy a fleshlight, get the Oculus Rift and get an invite to a good porn torrent site. You'll save a shitload of money and teach all these chicks that they are out your twenty bucks! LOL.
BTW, I do want to throw out there that I think Britney is pretty fucking awesome.Anyone can have a different experience with these providers another person says is "pretty awesome. " I called Britnay (sp?) or Blonde25 to see if she'd be willing to do 60 minutes for me on a very jacked back. She blatantly hung up on me which I'd say is not awesome. In my opinion, she has an attitude problem partially because mongers like you blow smoke but hey just my opinion.

Benz1
10-07-17, 19:24
I want to make sure I understand. Are you on a mission to make sure you pay the least possible for an HE? In order to end GPS?

Dude, some of us aren't counting our pennies here. I have pretty good experiences and yes, probably overpay. But there's a reason the girls I see will cancel an appointment with someone like you to see someone like me.

My advice: Just go buy a fleshlight, get the Oculus Rift and get an invite to a good porn torrent site. You'll save a shitload of money and teach all these chicks that they are out your twenty bucks! LOL.
BTW, I do want to throw out there that I think Britney is pretty fucking awesome.Clarity on GPS is what the conversation has been, you are coming in mid stream.

You have just confessed to over paying for a massage. So.. Off with your Head.

Over paying and Giving tips early is the cause of Golden Pussy Syndrome (GPS).

I have tipped a matching door fee to girls who give great CMT quality massages and great endings. Without the great massage, I'm not interested in seeing them again anyway, If they are rushing the massage and not following direction, I'm sure the ending will be lousy too.

This is a review I did on Joy awhile back, it's a good example of what is wrong with the MP's in Grand rapids and if you tip early you will most likely get ripped off from time or lousy massage. I'm glad I didn't tip Joy early.

I will not repeat.

I needed a good massage for my bum leg.

Tried seeing Amber at Royal Thursday and she wasn't working. My leg still hurting as I past Relaxation on Division decided to take a chance on getting a good Hhr massage and Joy was the only one working at 10 am. Checked my watch frequently to make sure I get my hhr for 40. She put on lots of oil, I said that was plenty and she still added more latter.

10 min. Into the massage she answers the phone and steps out. I asked for left hip and left thigh to be done, she did a little then continued her massage her way. Not bad but I needed the left thigh and hip.

The flip seemed early but I thought front thigh work would be nice. Nope, straight to the boys. I didn't ask for it but thought what the hell I knew I was getting shorted on Time. So when she asked for 40 I said. With lips, 20 with hand. She said 40, I said nope HJ is just another muscle to massage, 20. So she finished for 20 with 10 min. To spare on the clock. If the Time starts when I walk through the door, I got my hhr. But I'm thinking I got shorted 10 min. Plus the 2 min. On the phone.

Totally average experience but it only cost me 60.

I always gave Amber a tip that matched the door fee and I do the same for Amy at Healthy Habits because she gives a great CMT quality massage. These two girls give great massages and have never shorted me on time or service, that's what I what I tip for, Not being Hot. If you tip the hottie because she's a hottie or she demands tip up front like Brittany (blonde25), you are supporting GPS.

This is a service industry, I'm not trying to pay the least, I'm willing to pay for good service and it's hard to find in GR

I don't pay extra for hot escorts or rub girls. I pay for service. (BTW I don't watch porn).

I was asked to chime in on this topic by Bth9318 (post number 115 on this thread) Scroll down to read the whole story.

RogerOver
10-07-17, 20:07
Anyone can have a different experience with these providers another person says is "pretty awesome. " I called Britnay (sp?) or Blonde25 to see if she'd be willing to do 60 minutes for me on a very jacked back. She blatantly hung up on me which I'd say is not awesome. In my opinion, she has an attitude problem partially because mongers like you blow smoke but hey just my opinion.It's not blowing smoke to have a great experience and then report it. If I had a "jacked back" I wouldn't be looking for a body rub erotic type provider to help me with it. I'd call a CMT or physical therapy professional.

Benz1
10-07-17, 20:21
It's not blowing smoke to have a great experience and then report it. If I had a "jacked back" I wouldn't be looking for a body rub erotic type provider to help me with it. I'd call a CMT or physical therapy professional.I have been to many CMT appointments and Erotic Rub Salon appointments too. Always hoping for a perfect combination.

You can find both in Amy at Healthy Habits. You have to specify erotic or CMT and she will will deliver. When you get a great ending with a CMT quality massage, I'm willing to pay for it.

MagicHands2
10-08-17, 00:04
Always hoping for a perfect combination.... When you get a great ending with a CMT quality massage, I'm willing to pay for it.+1 in my book, too!

I am no more in favor of paying too much or supporting GPS than the next guy. Though I will be the first to recognize that we all have different tastes and preferences, and my preferences (and yours.) don't need to match or agree with the rest of the community. We are all allowed to like what we like and pay a rate that fits our own budget and needs. Just as the providers are allowed to pick a price for their services that works for them and what they will be. They can decide what that is, just like we can decide if we are willing to pay it.

MrLovaLova1
10-08-17, 06:38
It's not blowing smoke to have a great experience and then report it. If I had a "jacked back" I wouldn't be looking for a body rub erotic type provider to help me with it. I'd call a CMT or physical therapy professional.I've gotten a lot of massages in my lifetime, some great and some not so great. There are providers that know how to massage enough to make a difference in my pain and also give me a little fun. Providers who claim to know about massage but really just want to provide an erotic service should just stick to full service and not even try to attempt massage imo. I would've tried Brittany out if she didn't have such an attitude problem but I'm glad she saved me $. If she comes to her senses and she starts to offer full service I may try again but she is not a provider of massage I want to experience.

Dave Usa
10-08-17, 08:53
Anyone can have a different experience with these providers another person says is "pretty awesome. " I called Britnay (sp?) or Blonde25 to see if she'd be willing to do 60 minutes for me on a very jacked back. She blatantly hung up on me which I'd say is not awesome. In my opinion, she has an attitude problem partially because mongers like you blow smoke but hey just my opinion.Her ad clearly says " Hours for regulars only! ". Maybe she just doesn't suffer fools gladly. I pay extra for that.


I've gotten a lot of massages in my lifetime, some great and some not so great. There are providers that know how to massage enough to make a difference in my pain and also give me a little fun. Providers who claim to know about massage but really just want to provide an erotic service should just stick to full service and not even try to attempt massage imo. I would've tried Brittany out if she didn't have such an attitude problem but I'm glad she saved me $. If she comes to her senses and she starts to offer full service I may try again but she is not a provider of massage I want to experience.Hey, let us know when you get her FS hour for 120 dollars. Wonder which one of you will come to their senses first?

MrLovaLova1
10-08-17, 09:40
Her ad clearly says " Hours for regulars only! ". Maybe she just doesn't suffer fools gladly. I pay extra for that.

Hey, let us know when you get her FS hour for 120 dollars. Wonder which one of you will come to their senses first?Nice to meet another one of this chic's white knights especially since she crawls this forum and probably gives perks to those who defend her (why else, right?) Who said I would only pay $120 for FS?? You not me but nice touch knight. I'm over this chic and haven't even met her from all her white knights.

Benz1
10-08-17, 13:21
GPS in GR.

There you have it Bth9318, if you read all the comments, you will see the culprits that support GPS are right here on this forum.

Confessions of paying more for Hotness and Whatever. At no time did any of them comment on tipping for quality of the message they received. It looks like they don't care about anything but the ending and Hotness and they are willing to tip very well for it.

GPS is running strong in the GR escorts too, 100 for ss and 120 hhr without cim or msog.

BTW there is No GPS in KandiLand, she offers BBBJws and continuous msog for your entire visit.

We just have to watch the postings of our fellow mongers who support GPS and make sure we don't follow them into the same GPS trap.

This concludes my portion of this rant for at least 30 days. There's really no reason to say anymore, It seems futile when so many dogs can't learn a new trick like / Mongers setting the prices, together we could change the formula. Instead of providers doing the Price fixing, Mongers do the Price fixing and learn to take matters into your own hands when providers start their upsell.
Happy Hunting

RogerOver
10-08-17, 14:19
+1 in my book, too!

I am no more in favor of paying too much or supporting GPS than the next guy. Though I will be the first to recognize that we all have different tastes and preferences, and my preferences (and yours.) don't need to match or agree with the rest of the community. We are all allowed to like what we like and pay a rate that fits our own budget and needs. Just as the providers are allowed to pick a price for their services that works for them and what they will be. They can decide what that is, just like we can decide if we are willing to pay it.I believe this perfectly sums it up. It's not up to anyone else around here to determine what I should be paying for my fun, anymore than it's up to them to tell me how much I should pay for anything. Best of luck to everyone getting what they want.

Dave Usa
10-08-17, 17:04
I make more money than most millennials your point is invalid.


Nice to meet another one of this chic's white knights especially since she crawls this forum and probably gives perks to those who defend her (why else, right?) Who said I would only pay $120 for FS?? You not me but nice touch knight. I'm over this chic and haven't even met her from all her white knights.OK, the 120 was a cheap shot. You're self-admittedly a man of means whom I mistakenly conflated with the GPS complainers here. Sorry.

Not sure why you're calling me out as a White Knight having never met the girl in question (something you and I have in common apparently) nor expressed any opinion about her. If the glove doesn't fit. Well you know the rest.

Charlie441
10-08-17, 20:26
Benz, I agree with your general POV, although not quite on the same scale when it comes to specifics.

One shouldn't over-pay thinking with their smaller head, to aid in driving market prices to Over-inflation (from over-paying).

But the key word is Over. And Market. Yes, the market prices are going to be higher for hotties, and lower for fuglies. That's a given. A guy should pay more for a hottie to a small degree in comparison to a normal cute gal, and doing so doesn't mean over-paying. Even when one could wait in line or find a lucky spot in time to get a particular gal of the same attraction where he'd pay a little less. I think where we differ on it is what the market prices are OK at.

IMO:

- What are called Tips aren't really tips. A true Tip is raising that "tip" price above what's asked / stated, After the fact. Kind of like dining out. The 20% "tip" isn't really a tip. Executing on 15% or 25%, is where the Actual "tip" comes into play (negative or positive).

- With this analogy, I agree guys shouldn't be rolling into a parlor with an average Jane doing an OK massage (no CMT; just "shrug", not bad, not awesome) and throwing down an analogous "30% whether it's before or after, because they heard they won't be short-changed and they're thinking with their little heads.

- But what is the comparative "20%" on a hhr and an hr? The baseline market price for nobody high or low in hotness or how they execute, is. ? IMO, it's 40/20 and 60/40 -- which includes a standard ops rub & tug. Refusal of rub & tug? If a great true CMT massage, the same, but otherwise. Not a bad massage, but no HE, even if adequately taking up expected time? 40/10, 60/20. Am I too far off on this? Again, not what *I* am willing to pay or not pay -- but what is the baseline price for the baseline situation.

- Allow roaming, naked, FIV, stuff like that -- that's where the real "tip" comes in. And it comes in after the fact. Otherwise, it's literally not a tip.

- However, I can Understand and have no qualms if someone like Brit is out there with reviews and wants a 40/40 walking in the door, but she's hot (as seen by the market) -- and gets nude and executes well with you also knowing what you're getting into walking in the door. Because there's no mystery. Sure, she could have a bad day and screw up -- fine. But the key is -- is she Market Worthy, without any factors of over-hype or over-ga-ga about a gal included? The answer is Yes. The feedback validates this. If she was just in a bikini and wanted more for top off, and another more for bottom off -- yeah, then I would say guys would be unnecessarily inflating the market going that route. But when the feedback is Hell Yeah from non-newbies & non-big-spenders guys in the field wanting / doing repeat visits for what they pay & what they get? Said gal fits the market price.

- So for someone like Brit, the 40/40 upon arrival isn't a 40 tip. It's basically just an added fee, not asking for any actual tip. Because they're saying you're Not getting just a massage right upfront. So there is peace of mind there, much like someone one may regularly see. "Hey Barb, I got time for a half hour session around 7. The usual," where he just throws down the base cost + $ that covers the extras he knows he's going to get. I can Understand one Not doing that, nor shouldn't, with some gal he hasn't seen who hasn't gotten rave reviews all over the place where he wouldn't hesitate to bet That money on the fact that he'll get what's been reported (and she not shy about it being known upfront out there, either).

- I think GPS is where they're asking for more than market price, with an attitude, as if it's some bargain, when really they're over-inflating it and are more above what the market price for herself and she does should be. Parlors asking for 40/60 on a half-hr topless and even possibly a tad better than purely mechanical tug, with an attitude that that is what she deserves and that's what gals Should get (flipping hair) -- yeah, GPS, see ya. As babe, you need to come down to earth on the real market price. If you literally ARE super-hot, and don't have a Valley Girl attitude. All while giving a great performance with open-book roaming and full time used? OK, if you're of that type & hotness, yeah, then you're around a real market price then.

NoseJelly
10-09-17, 00:15
Just dusted off my Econ 101 book. Just got to find my green shade visor and that gold plated pen.

Benz1
10-09-17, 01:20
I started my rant after Bth9318 asked me to chime in on post 115, seeing that we weren't fighting, why not put it in General reports, some of it spilled over to General Reports by my request.

I swore off the topic for 30 days but Charlie brings up a good question.

But what is the comparative "20%" on a hhr and an hr? The baseline market price for nobody high or low in hotness or how they execute, is. ? IMO, it's 40/20 and 60/40 -- which includes a standard ops rub & tug. Refusal of rub & tug? If a great true CMT massage, the same, but otherwise. Not a bad massage, but no HE, even if adequately taking up expected time? 40/10, 60/20. Am I too far off on this? Again, not what *I* am willing to pay or not pay -- but what is the baseline price for the baseline situation.

Those rates and tips are very close to what the CMT receives from a majority of their clients however that majority is primarily female clients. My utr CMT owns her own salon and we talk about the business often. A majority of male clients are going to the rub and tug looking for a good combination with real massage plus tug. After reading the response on this fourm, I notice nobody put any emphasis on massage skills except me.

The massage is the most important part to me, I have left in the middle of a massage at Serenity telling her, if that's all you can do I'm not interested in the rest. Paid the 40 and cut my loses. I need a massuse that listens and takes direction, I agreed with NoseJelly during a blow up with T-70 (he's a hot head) about GPS a long time ago, Grand Rapids MP Scene is Dead.
During those rants NJ was in lock step with my thinking so I gave him my utr CMT digits so he could get a taste of the good life, he has thanked me more than once. She's Not Hot but there is no better CMT for me. I still see her occasionally but she is very busy doing women in her own salon. So I still need a second go to.

I recieved a message from Amber at Royal indicating there is hope and she will listen and learn from her clients if they give her a chance. I told her I'm very picky, She was a very smart and convincing lady. I set up a 1 hr appointment because a real massage can not be done in a hhr. The first hhr would be me massaging her to show her what I wanted and she would massage me for the rest of the hour. It ended up being over one and a half hours. Amber became my second go to if my utr CMT wasn't available. Amber was happy with a matching door fee but that didn't work for me. 60/60 for HJ. She was nice and creative but I still felt like I needed the BJ, I would set up an appointment for a 40 BnG on my way home.

I'm a little different, maybe because of a knee replacement and my gate has been off for a long time.

I have become a conisoure of massage, I have one table I keep at home for giving my wife massages and another travel table I take to my favorite escort appointments, we trade massages and have great endings anyway I want them. My first meeting with the late great Mercedes was a shortstay that lasted 2 hours because she loved my massage, she always answered my calls whenever I wanted to see her.

If I go into a restaurant, order chicken and the Hot waitress brings me fish but tells me the fish is better and more expensive then flashes her tits to be more convincing. I will calmly ask if it comes with a BBBJCIM. If not, I'll send the fish back, ask for my chicken and another waitress.

Maybe so many years in the hobby have desensitized me to the hobby triggers that get mongers to lay down their wallets.

Happy Hunting Everyone.

TRobber22
10-09-17, 07:00
Not loaded here. But lots of arguing over $20.

For me, Brittany is cool as hell. 80+20 gets 7/10 massage, plus guaranteed fun on flip- Russian body slide finish, nice shower, water bottle, fresh sheets and towels.

Also- the HHR from start to finish is usually closer to 45. Which based on some of the time shorting posts is what other HRs turn out to be.

Not white knighting. If she was trying for 150 for mechanical rushed HE like many I could see the beef. But this seems to be truth in advertising. If you want more than is offered from her, pick someone who advertises that. Just my opinion.

Monger01
10-09-17, 10:40
But if she brings me the chicken I ordered and flashes her tits I'll tip a bit better. Not double, but better. But I won't pre-tip, ever.
Far as escorts I still stand by minimum service I expect no matter her looks. Market dictates the hotter girls ask for and get more in rates. For those of us that prefer hotter, this is expected. That said, there's still limits.
No offense to new crystal but do you or anyone else think bbw like her can command a 200 hr rate?
I don't think Brianna Star is worth her big city rates either.
There has to be reasonable balance. I'll pay a little more to see Destiny but not unlimited more.
My baseline is 100 hhr. For decent service and cim with avg. Cute not overweight.
Homely or overweight its 80. Spinner hot 120.
If I want an hour and I'm willing to spend 200 you can bet I am going to book Destiny over Crystal every time. That is how the market works.
I've never paid more than 150 for an hour in GR but I seldom do an hour anyway.

I do agree generally that many massage girls expect too big a tip for he.
Most are barely attractive and give so-so massages and mechanicsl he.
I'll try a new one now and then but mainy stick to tried and true for a massage. Several I see do BBBJ, some FS. All topless and fiv and a couple totally naked even just for a tug ending. I tip 40 for those. 60 for BBBJ and 80 for FS.



If I go into a restaurant, order chicken and the Hot waitress brings me fish but tells me the fish is better and more expensive then flashes her tits to be more convincing. I will calmly ask if it comes with a BBBJCIM. If not, I'll send the fish back, ask for my chicken and another waitress.
Maybe so many years in the hobby have desensitized me to the hobby triggers that get mongers to lay down their wallets.

Happy Hunting Everyone.

Bloozer
10-09-17, 11:43
Not loaded here. But lots of arguing over $20.

For me, Brittany is cool as hell. 80+20 gets 7/10 massage, plus guaranteed fun on flip- Russian body slide finish, nice shower, water bottle, fresh sheets and towels.

Also- the HHR from start to finish is usually closer to 45. Which based on some of the time shorting posts is what other HRs turn out to be.

Not white knighting. If she was trying for 150 for mechanical rushed HE like many I could see the beef. But this seems to be truth in advertising. If you want more than is offered from her, pick someone who advertises that. Just my opinion.She's well worth the bang for the buck. I prefer BBBJ. Sometimes money's short and the little head is screaming his ass off giving the big head a migraine. She's a damn fine alternative, real close to nuru.

Benz1
10-09-17, 12:27
But if she brings me the chicken I ordered and flashes her tits I'll tip a bit better. Not double, but better. But I won't pre-tip, ever.
Far as escorts I still stand by minimum service I expect no matter her looks. Market dictates the hotter girls ask for and get more in rates. For those of us that prefer hotter, this is expected. That said, there's still limits.
No offense to new crystal but do you or anyone else think bbw like her can command a 200 hr rate?
I don't think Brianna Star is worth her big city rates either.
There has to be reasonable balance. I'll pay a little more to see Destiny but not unlimited more.
My baseline is 100 hhr. For decent service and cim with avg. Cute not overweight.
Homely or overweight its 80. Spinner hot 120.
If I want an hour and I'm willing to spend 200 you can bet I am going to book Destiny over Crystal every time. That is how the market works.
I've never paid more than 150 for an hour in GR but I seldom do an hour anyway.

I do agree generally that many massage girls expect too big a tip for he.
Most are barely attractive and give so-so massages and mechanicsl he.
I'll try a new one now and then but mainy stick to tried and true for a massage. Several I see do BBBJ, some FS. All topless and fiv and a couple totally naked even just for a tug ending. I tip 40 for those. 60 for BBBJ and 80 for FS. My sentiments exactly, I ordered the Chicken, Give me what I ordered damit!.
No I don't think the New Crystal is worth 200 hr, that's what she posted and expected to get negotiations to go with it. She did offer msog and figured if she was head banging for the whole hour it would be nice to get 200 for it.

Charlie441
10-09-17, 12:57
Not loaded here. But lots of arguing over $20.

For me, Brittany is cool as hell. 80+20 gets 7/10 massage, plus guaranteed fun on flip- Russian body slide finish, nice shower, water bottle, fresh sheets and towels.

Also- the HHR from start to finish is usually closer to 45. Which based on some of the time shorting posts is what other HRs turn out to be.

Not white knighting. If she was trying for 150 for mechanical rushed HE like many I could see the beef. But this seems to be truth in advertising. If you want more than is offered from her, pick someone who advertises that. Just my opinion.If she was vying for 150 for even the great experience you described, that'd be GPS. 80 for hhr walking in basically says "You're getting a real massage that goes the hhr, a hot girl naked, and a nice HE finish. I do this right, so let's cut to the chase -- it's 40/40 worthy. " That said, I can understand throwing $20 down more with a body slide on top of it being more than just merely a nice HE, and it being closer to 45 m, yeah. But $150? That'd be going GPS -- no hurry-up-offense required to be GPS at that rate. For 150, there'd need to be a great BJ and then some, for the very end on top of all that performance, to avoid being GPS.


Those rates and tips are very close to what the CMT receives from a majority of their clients however that majority is primarily female clientsThe 40/20 or the 40/10? I'm assuming the former, as I figured a good solid true legit CMT-level massage (but no HE) would be worthy of 40/20. I think you appreciate / aim-for the massage itself more than the average Joe, where the average Joe would be like "Huh? $20 for JUST a massage in this hhr? I came here for the HE, babe! I'd rather have it really just last 15 m with a HE than around 30 m but a better solid massage. I didn't come here for the massage, that's why. That's just a perk, a foreplay warmup to my HE. " I think the average Joe isn't picky about the massage, and just doesn't want a standard sh! Tty one (which we don't want the market to start accepting as acceptable). And is more focused on the roaming and HE.


If I go into a restaurant, order chicken and the Hot waitress brings me fish but tells me the fish is better and more expensive then flashes her tits to be more convincing. I will calmly ask if it comes with a BBBJCIM. If not, I'll send the fish back, ask for my chicken and another waitress.Yeah, pretty much the same here -- but if her point was legit that the fish was better. I wouldn't demand a BBJCIM, but a nice HJ after showing her t!ts would be a-okay for me.

Monger01
10-09-17, 13:19
"Because 2 posts below the line I quoted clearly states she's a usasg advertiser but I'm too frigin lazy to navigate to that. Could anyone drive me to her incall and spot me her fee too?

The amount of heavy lifting and spoonfeeding requested is amazing lately!

NoseJelly
10-09-17, 15:59
"Because 2 posts below the line I quoted clearly states she's a usasg advertiser but I'm too frigin lazy to navigate to that. Could anyone drive me to her incall and spot me her fee too?

The amount of heavy lifting and spoonfeeding requested is amazing lately!And all these leaves in my yard ain't going to rake themselves boys! Chop Chop!

Edge 1201
10-09-17, 16:17
I started my rant after Bth9318 asked me to chime in on post 115, seeing that we weren't fighting, why not put it in General reports, some of it spilled over to General Reports by my request.

I swore off the topic for 30 days but Charlie brings up a good question.

But what is the comparative "20%" on a hhr and an hr? The baseline market price for nobody high or low in hotness or how they execute, is. ? IMO, it's 40/20 and 60/40 -- which includes a standard ops rub & tug. Refusal of rub & tug? If a great true CMT massage, the same, but otherwise. Not a bad massage, but no HE, even if adequately taking up expected time? 40/10, 60/20. Am I too far off on this? Again, not what *I* am willing to pay or not pay -- but what is the baseline price for the baseline situation.

Those rates and tips are very close to what the CMT receives from a majority of their clients however that majority is primarily female clients. My utr CMT owns her own salon and we talk about the business often. A majority of male clients are going to the rub and tug looking for a good combination with real massage plus tug. After reading the response on this fourm, I notice nobody put any emphasis on massage skills except me.

The massage is the most important part to me, I have left in the middle of a massage at Serenity telling her, if that's all you can do I'm not interested in the rest. Paid the 40 and cut my loses. I need a massuse that listens and takes direction, I agreed with NoseJelly during a blow up with T-70 (he's a hot head) about GPS a long time ago, Grand Rapids MP Scene is Dead.
During those rants NJ was in lock step with my thinking so I gave him my utr CMT digits so he could get a taste of the good life, he has thanked me more than once. She's Not Hot but there is no better CMT for me. I still see her occasionally but she is very busy doing women in her own salon. So I still need a second go to.

I recieved a message from Amber at Royal indicating there is hope and she will listen and learn from her clients if they give her a chance. I told her I'm very picky, She was a very smart and convincing lady. I set up a 1 hr appointment because a real massage can not be done in a hhr. The first hhr would be me massaging her to show her what I wanted and she would massage me for the rest of the hour. It ended up being over one and a half hours. Amber became my second go to if my utr CMT wasn't available. Amber was happy with a matching door fee but that didn't work for me. 60/60 for HJ. She was nice and creative but I still felt like I needed the BJ, I would set up an appointment for a 40 BnG on my way home.

I'm a little different, maybe because of a knee replacement and my gate has been off for a long time.

I have become a conisoure of massage, I have one table I keep at home for giving my wife massages and another travel table I take to my favorite escort appointments, we trade massages and have great endings anyway I want them. My first meeting with the late great Mercedes was a shortstay that lasted 2 hours because she loved my massage, she always answered my calls whenever I wanted to see her.

If I go into a restaurant, order chicken and the Hot waitress brings me fish but tells me the fish is better and more expensive then flashes her tits to be more convincing. I will calmly ask if it comes with a BBBJCIM. If not, I'll send the fish back, ask for my chicken and another waitress.

Maybe so many years in the hobby have desensitized me to the hobby triggers that get mongers to lay down their wallets.

Happy Hunting Everyone.I fully enjoy your editorial and also agree. Invest time and reasonable $ in a provider and she will treat you well. Don't put up with poor service, or call it out here when you find it. I also have a UTR Brown Sugar that has been in the GR scene for a while. She will give up anything I want & even tells me her schedule for out of town, & otherwise, for easier connection. Agreed, it's hard to be content with a 2nd choice.

What happened to Mercedes? I noticed that she hasn't posted in a while. Sorry, but I didn't find any previous postings about it.

Monger01
10-09-17, 20:20
Last I heard she got popped and this time they made it a long stint.


What happened to Mercedes? I noticed that she hasn't posted in a while. Sorry, but I didn't find any previous postings about it.

Benz1
10-09-17, 20:42
I fully enjoy your editorial and also agree. Invest time and reasonable $ in a provider and she will treat you well. Don't put up with poor service, or call it out here when you find it. I also have a UTR Brown Sugar that has been in the GR scene for a while. She will give up anything I want & even tells me her schedule for out of town, & otherwise, for easier connection. Agreed, it's hard to be content with a 2nd choice.

What happened to Mercedes? I noticed that she hasn't posted in a while. Sorry, but I didn't find any previous postings about it.Passed away, no need for further discussion. There was plenty of discussion at the time of her death.
We are currently showing our respect with silence on the topic

Mike Yepthatsm
10-09-17, 21:41
Have a little fun when bored.

NoseJelly
10-09-17, 21:49
Search forum function works over here in my neighborhood. Wonder why it doesn't work for other Mongers. Dang Technology!

Khayes
10-10-17, 13:24
Have a little fun when bored.Pure gold bro. She if she'll put some insulation in my attic.

Amaregraeco
10-10-17, 19:40
Have a little fun when bored.I have to say that is a completely different type of "arrangement", even for you!

NutsAboutButs
10-11-17, 16:08
Just wondering if anyone uses or has recommendations for apps for a second phone number on a phone? I was using Sideline until they just went subscription. Just curious what guys are using.

Piemaster
10-11-17, 16:10
I totally agree with Girls1.

Piemaster has an interesting theory but I don't believe LE has the time and resources to follow and trap us for soliciting sex. LE does put alot of resources into finding drug dealers and trapping them. They could also get a good well known provider to set up drug dealers like Natalie / Bell in Kazoo. Bell was a member of this forum that posted LE's offer right on the Kalamazoo forum. They wanted her to help bust drug dealers. She informed us that she would not take their deal of eliminating charges in exchange for setting people up.
Drugs and underage girls is were LE is focused, our members are at risk everytime we enter a room where drugs or under age girls are being or sold.

If we are going to stay out of the dragnet or snare of LE, we all need to be more observant of our surroundings and report them on USASEXGUIDE for all our members benifit.

Our safety is the reason this forum exsits.Not a theory:

https://gizmodo.com/how-facebook-outs-sex-workers-1818861596

NoseJelly
10-11-17, 23:38
Burn of the year: "I'm not paranoid, you're just stupid. ".

Ranks right up there with the Great Pee Wee Herman's "I know you are, but what am I?"

PocketBuddy
10-12-17, 01:44
Just wondering if anyone uses or has recommendations for apps for a second phone number on a phone? I was using Sideline until they just went subscription. Just curious what guys are using.I use textfree and textnow. Both seem to be alright for me.

Benz1
10-12-17, 02:30
Burn of the year: "I'm not paranoid, you're just stupid. ".

Ranks right up there with the Great Pee Wee Herman's "I know you are, but what am I?"Some idiots don't know how to act, write or where to post when visiting a new sight. This one is an East Side knuckle dragging monger too. He has at least 4 postings deleted by admin for being largely argumentative.

Fools and idiots need to know their place when they come to our space.

I'm thinking the other east side knuckle dragging monger called in some useless recruits.

Charlie441
10-12-17, 04:45
Not a theory:

https://gizmodo.com/how-facebook-outs-sex-workers-1818861596Uhhh, dude. That has NOTHING to do with LE. It's about an Escort concerns of them having friend suggestions with current / past clients popping up. Obviously if you have a separate account for your service from the same IP -- duh. Second, those suggestions pop up when they run into You. They may go to strip club sites, click on some cute girls, scan their friends -- oh, there's "Bambi" -- oh, her name's Rachel Smith. Yeah, that's her.

The article's just jazzing up "ooohs and ahhhs". There's nothing really secret or mysterious. It's not pulling stuff out of thin air. That's Her fault. And mere friend suggestions. Sheesh. When I used to use it, I'd get some of people I had no mutual friends with and never heard of. Maybe a friend of a friend of a friend or whatever. It shoots and misses a lot. Yeah, in your town, if you're socially active in real life And on FB -- YEP, a client from your town is bound to pop up as one.

Note to escort: Don't get into FB much or at all. But in the end -- it has nothing to do with LE.

MetroRider
10-14-17, 01:31
Burn of the year: "I'm not paranoid, you're just stupid. ".

Ranks right up there with the Great Pee Wee Herman's "I know you are, but what am I?"How did you blow your boyfriend and type this at the same time?

Kenwood Jack
10-14-17, 15:02
Benz1 - a true samaritan.

Thank you, my fellow brother, for your herculean effort in helping out.

Kenwood Jack

I hope to make the best of it.
We are all on the same team.

DuckBilled
10-14-17, 16:48
Uhhh, dude. That has NOTHING to do with LE. It's about an Escort concerns of them having friend suggestions with current / past clients popping up. Obviously if you have a separate account for your service from the same IP -- duh. Second, those suggestions pop up when they run into You. They may go to strip club sites, click on some cute girls, scan their friends -- oh, there's "Bambi" -- oh, her name's Rachel Smith. Yeah, that's her.

The article's just jazzing up "ooohs and ahhhs". There's nothing really secret or mysterious. It's not pulling stuff out of thin air. That's Her fault. And mere friend suggestions. Sheesh. When I used to use it, I'd get some of people I had no mutual friends with and never heard of. Maybe a friend of a friend of a friend or whatever. It shoots and misses a lot. Yeah, in your town, if you're socially active in real life And on FB -- YEP, a client from your town is bound to pop up as one.

Note to escort: Don't get into FB much or at all. But in the end -- it has nothing to do with LE.Agreed that it has nothing to do with law enforcement. But I disagree that it is all just "oohs and ahhs" for the sake of the story, and that it can be explained by randomness. I would think that mathematically it would be nearly impossible to link a provider and client, especially given that most providers live in large cities with huge populations. And Facebook doesn't leave anything up to chance. I agree that it may be the same IP address but if so then why would Facebook not simply say so and avoid the negative publicity? Also, many providers are savvy enough to use throwaways for work just like we do, to avoid LE, for sure. But it would therefore also not link her with her regular IP address.

NoseJelly
10-14-17, 18:25
How did you blow your boyfriend and type this at the same time?The same way you and your Turd Tickling BF Piemaster do.

MetroRider
10-16-17, 17:04
The same way you and your Turd Tickling BF Piemaster do.How many times do I have to say it? Piemaster and I were having a devils 3 way with your mother, she blew both of us at the same time. This is totally different then you and your BF blowing each other.

Charlie441
10-17-17, 03:26
Agreed that it has nothing to do with law enforcement. But I disagree that it is all just "oohs and ahhs" for the sake of the story, and that it can be explained by randomness. I would think that mathematically it would be nearly impossible to link a provider and client, especially given that most providers live in large cities with huge populations. And Facebook doesn't leave anything up to chance. I agree that it may be the same IP address but if so then why would Facebook not simply say so and avoid the negative publicity? Also, many providers are savvy enough to use throwaways for work just like we do, to avoid LE, for sure. But it would therefore also not link her with her regular IP address.It's not random. My point was that it wasn't. FB condenses a broad social spectrum, notably in a particular locale, closer. You live a normal life as an avid Facebook person with kids and old friends but keeping being a stripper or escort discreet -- good luck. For instance, say you are one doing this in southern Illinois or Indiana where there's not many people. No sh! T you get guesses coming up that you may know so-and-so from the "6 degrees of Kevin Bacon" type concept. Even in a bigger place, you can run into that too over time. Not a shocker. It actually doesn't require the craziest technology to do so.

Many websites feed off stuff that you view in your browser, to bring up appropriate ads and so forth. That's just one example. FB is the Opposite of just having your own little world that you choose -- it tries to Extend it, is my point. And it doesn't take magic to Potentially make suggestions that you'd think it was psychic about, at first glance. But when you think about it, it's not all that exciting. So a gal who's living a normal life out there but wants to be a stripper or escort completely under the radar? Don't use FB, or use it without your pictures in it at least.

Kenwood Jack
10-17-17, 18:52
Just remember. I am actually trying to paint each provider in the best light possible. If I don't mention much about looks, I probably did not like them. If I leave out something, it is only because I don't want to poison someone's opinion.

Most of the review is very objective, with a critique on the attitude (which I find most important). My reviews are my opinions..

I texted Jane after a trusted brother help to set up an encounter between two vouched people. By vouched, I mean he checked me out enough to know I was real, not LE, and I do contribute to my home boards. By vouched, he meant that to the best of his knowledge, Jane was not connected with LE, he had no knowledge why I might fear being ripped off or physically hurt during any activity with her. She also was told that I needed a provider that would provide CIM.We made arrangements for a 6 PM meet up at her place. I called at 5:15 when I was on my way from Kalamazoo. Jane told me she was 30 minutes north of Grand Rapids. I told her then I would not be there probably until about 6:30. Jane then gave me a drug store name on 28th Street, an to call when I get there, and she will then direct me in. Since I had been vouched, I thought, "this bullshit, again?" Why, oh why must providers be unwilling to give an address to someone they know is not LE? For so many reasons, so many, I have had providers go radio silent on me. For those that I did contact and find out, reasons were usually: phone died, battery died, a friend died, I fell asleep, I had to go to the hospital, my kid had to go to the hospital, my roommate had to go to the hospital, I overslept. ad nauseam.

As an aside, isn't it amazing how many different, bad things always seem to happen to providers to interrupt your encounters? More later and its relevance.

I was driving up 131, put in the drug store name and GPS said I would be there at 6:15 PM. Texted Jane that I would be at the drugstore at 6:20 PM. I would call at 6:15 PM. I did. Radio silence. I had just driven over an hour, and silence! This is unacceptable! There is no good excuse for radio silence. It must be a disease that all providers seem very susceptible to fall victim to.

I texted and called and texted and called (silence) until 6:40. I turned to go (King's Charity Poker Room had a no-limit holdem tournament with a cut-off time for registration at 7 PM). Five minutes later, cruising down 131, I receive a text from a different number to call Jane at that number. I called, didn't listen to Jane's excuse (I have already heard them all), my dick wins all arguments, so I turned around to head back.

I am just generally pissed. I am not in a hurry, I have lost only 40 minutes of time. But I still could not help but being pissed. I, however, remain as courteous as ever!

THE INCALL
HER NAME: Lady Jane.
28th street exit off US 131.
http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds[/URL
Phone # xxx-298-5106 PM Kenwood Jack for her Grand Rapids area code.
Did she look like her pictures? The pictures are her.
Not a terrible body. (Read opening statement).
REFERENCES NOT NEEDED.

Incall was in a one-room hovel (my perception).

When I do the math -
Safety worries. 9 out of a possible 10 (that is not good) . Her residence just was creepy. (I have lived in worse, but I did not entertain). The math (either she's getting ready to buy a $150,000 house with cash, which I don't believe, because. What the hell is she doing with all of that gross? . 3 guys per day at only $100 each is a take home pay of more than $105,000 . Take home. She has all of her assets in that little room. That seems real scary. Do the math!
The math says she must be hanging with the wrong crowd.

Did I "do it" on the top cover (the same place the last 4 guys came)? Sure did! Why do most providers have sheets that don't show stains easily! (That was rhetorical!).
Smoking smell: A smoking smell permeated the room.
She gave me 6 reasons why her placed smelled but refused to accept any responsibility.

Attitude: She was all attitude.
Skill: Please look up on any porn site: ruined orgasm. When the guy starts coming, they quit, get up, and walk away. I felt just like that!! She stayed for all of four seconds. Don't you just love it when a provider sucks and sucks until you just have to stop her a full minute later? (Rhetorical!).
For the time she was sucking me, it was the [u]very best I've had in a long while. To stop when she did was just unconscionable.

Performance: U-N-F-I-N-I-S-H-E-D.

I know how many of you mongers write of a an ATF, "she really likes giving blowjobs, and if I didn't make her cum three times ... she's the best actress ever". You should only know the actual truth. *.

Spidey sense-o-meter score ... 9 out of a possible 10
Physical threats or actual 'cash and dash' situations or any theft or physical confrontation or any interaction with LE is to be avoided by me at most any cost.
A spidey sense-o-meter score of 0 would mean I had no fears of any danger (physical, mental, emotional). A spidey-sense-o-meter only registers if nothing actually bad happens. It is a gauge of fear. When something bad does happen, I would hope that all you mongers do report it. The spidey sense-o-meter is for when something bad did not happen, but I was apprehensive that something might. Because of all the math. I would be scared to go back. Not because of Jane, but because of the particular and general environs.

DO THE MATH
She rents one room out of 6 or 7 in a modest house with many other housemates. She has been there 2 weeks.
She advertises $200 hour. With no car and a modest rent and no car, isn't it strange that the 'landlord' would have to come over to collect rent (she said she was behind) within 15 minutes of me stepping in the door. My spidey-sense was tingling (a lot). I don't know about this one, but many providers that I know back in Cincinnati call their drug connection to visit right after my appointment to get their fix. Or sometimes earlier.
DO THE MATH

Total satisfaction level. Poor.
Why do I seem to get what I want and yet I always seem to feel that something is missing. Today, her lips were missing on my dick until after I had finished cumming!

Menu interview (abridged).
Q. What about BBFS? Should I just say no BBFS?
A. No, it's more of a ymmv (letters corrected because she didn't know exactly the right ones) thing, if I really like them, and they're really clean, and they pay me enough, then sure.

Q. What about cim?
A. I don't really want to advertise that!

Q. So I should put no to CIM??
A. No, it's more of a ymmv thing, if I really like them, and they're really clean, and they pay me enough, then sure.

Well, maybe she didn't really like me so much, cause I was super freshly showered clean, and gave her $300, cause all I got was CI and about half of the M. She quit about 3 seconds after I started coming. Don't you hate that when the provider considers her job over when you start to come, when the earliest it should ever be over is two minutes after you've finished coming!

Q. What about water sports.
A. I'll pee in a cup for them to drink or I'll pee on them. Extra $100.

Q. How about a prostate massage?
A. It's more of ... (see BBFS answer)

Q. What about Greek?
A. It's more of ...

Q. What about rimming?
A. To me, fine! From me, no way!

I guess this means.
To all Christians, if you don't get all your prayers answered, it's more of a ymmv thing.
Pray harder! Put more in the donation envelope!

A rookie monger should now understand her menu.
A seasoned monger already knows this is the basic menu of most providers.
A sage provider, however, will convey a very personalized, individualized menu for each encounter!

She was not a kisser to me.
Today's experience: BBBBCISTOP! WE had bargained for BBBJCIM???
CIM means come in mouth!

Her finishing move today? Not finishing.
Cost: $300.
Overall value: I overpaid.
Would you repeat or recommend? I would never repeat because of the Spidey score.
I would never recommend because she does not finish the job. In baseball, if someone throws you the ball, and you juggle it, and it falls out, that is not a catch. Half catching is half-ass. I asked for BBBJCIM, not BBBJCI then stop!

When I got there, she asked to see the money and I left it on the dresser. I actually had no problem with that.

Two interruptions occurred during the deed. One, the landlord, as already mentioned; and two, her roommate knocked on the door to get something at the store for her. She did apologize, but took it in stride as if it happens all the time. She seemed just way too comfortable with all of the extra and / or out-of-the-ordinary happenings during the encounter. She did turn her phone down during the encounter! Yay!

Summary: Great head, horrible ending, drama, drama, drama!

I have moved the review to here because it is just too much drama! Sorry brothers! I just had to vent!

Dave Usa
10-17-17, 19:42
I feel like a brain worm is trying escape through my forehead.

Monger01
10-18-17, 08:25
One thing to guarantee I will not repeat as a customer and you named it: a lousy incomplete finish. It negates ALL activity leading up to it. I've had providers grab my dick tight right as I cum and removed their mouth and others just pull off the second I start to cum. Frustrated does not begin to describe it.
The rest of your War and Peace sized review is so common anymore it's not even a game changer. All I can add is after seeing her pics there's no way in hell I'd pay her 300 even before I read your review.


Just remember. I am actually trying to paint each provider in the best light possible. If I don't mention much about looks, I probably did not like them. If I leave out something, it is only because I don't want to poison someone's opinion.

Most of the review is very objective, with a critique on the attitude (which I find most important). My reviews are my opinions..

I texted Jane after a trusted brother help to set up an encounter between two vouched people. By vouched, I mean he checked me out enough to know I was real, not LE, and I do contribute to my home boards. By vouched, he meant that to the best of his knowledge, Jane was not connected with LE, he had no knowledge why I might fear being ripped off or physically hurt during any activity with her. She also was told that I needed a provider that would provide CIM.We made arrangements for a 6 PM meet up at her place. I called at 5:15 when I was on my way from Kalamazoo. Jane told me she was 30 minutes north of Grand Rapids. I told her then I would not be there probably until about 6:30. Jane then gave me a drug store name on 28th Street, an to call when I get there, and she will then direct me in. Since I had been vouched, I thought, "this bullshit, again?" Why, oh why must providers be unwilling to give an address to someone they know is not LE? For so many reasons, so many, I have had providers go radio silent on me. For those that I did contact and find out, reasons were usually: phone died, battery died, a friend died, I fell asleep, I had to go to the hospital, my kid had to go to the hospital, my roommate had to go to the hospital, I overslept. ad nauseam.

As an aside, isn't it amazing how many different, bad things always seem to happen to providers to interrupt your encounters? More later and its relevance.

I was driving up 131, put in the drug store name and GPS said I would be there at 6:15 PM. Texted Jane that I would be at the drugstore at 6:20 PM. I would call at 6:15 PM. I did. Radio silence. I had just driven over an hour, and silence! This is unacceptable! There is no good excuse for radio silence. It must be a disease that all providers seem very susceptible to fall victim to.

I texted and called and texted and called (silence) until 6:40. I turned to go (King's Charity Poker Room had a no-limit holdem tournament with a cut-off time for registration at 7 PM). Five minutes later, cruising down 131, I receive a text from a different number to call Jane at that number. I called, didn't listen to Jane's excuse (I have already heard them all), my dick wins all arguments, so I turned around to head back.

NoseJelly
10-18-17, 10:55
a lousy incomplete finish. It negates ALL activity leading up to it. I've had providers grab my dick tight right as I cum and removed their mouth and others just pull off the second I start to cum. Frustrated does not begin to describe it.Nothing more annoying! Just reading about it makes me angry! Providers that pull this shit are in the wrong business.

GweedoMumford
10-18-17, 11:58
Just remember. I am actually trying to paint each provider in the best light.

I have moved the review to here because it is just too much drama! Sorry brothers! I just had to vent!

A bit on the long winded side, but thorough as heck.

I like it. Take a third out, and I think It should slide over to BP advertisers section.

Nice review, seriously.

GweedoMumford
10-18-17, 17:24
Nothing more annoying! Just reading about it makes me angry! Providers that pull this shit are in the wrong business.We all know that these girls watch this list frequently. Every girl I visited in the last 2 months taked about it without me bringing it up. She will see this at some point she advertises here. Hope reviews like this make a difference. Be nice to hve her chime in. Aint going to happen.

TheNewCrystal
10-18-17, 19:05
Funny all you guys on here want to complain and pick out the flaws on us women but your the ugly, desperate ones paying for sex when you got a wife at home and a family and not to mention your small and / or limp dicks.

I know my worth and what I ask for I get from the average customer, you want to know why? Because their dick still works normal. B**z1 get over yourself, your blowing me up and why because your little limp dick liked what you got, Mon*1 yea your ass was moaning like a woman with pleasure. I could say more but ask yourself this "How can you men expect barbie to like pleasing you when you guys are no where near a Ken!


My sentiments exactly, I ordered the Chicken, Give me what I ordered damit!.
No I don't think the New Crystal is worth 200 hr, that's what she posted and expected to get negotiations to go with it. She did offer msog and figured if she was head banging for the whole hour it would be nice to get 200 for it.

NoseJelly
10-19-17, 00:18
Pot, meet Kettle!

Charlie441
10-19-17, 01:12
Funny all you guys on here want to complain and pick out the flaws on us women but your the ugly, desperate ones paying for sex when you got a wife at home and a family and not to mention your small and / or limp dicks.Whoah. Look, your argument's going in the wrong direction. It's about what a gal charges in comparison to The Market itself, that one will roll their eyes about in price. It's how you compare to Other Gals & their services, not compared to how cute the guys VS you. Hey, if a gal wants to charge even $300/ hr with little to no negotiation, and she's an Average Jane in looks but has a certain look that a few guys will go for, and she isn't looking for much business, that's fine. One will roll their eyes, but she'll get what she wants if she's cool with what she's getting. Fine. She shouldn't complain if / when guys use that as an example of "too high" when talking about too highs / realistic goals on price.


I know my worth and what I ask for I get from the average customer, you want to know why? Because their dick still works normal.$200/ hr is above standard market value for you yourself (and many others out there too), was the point, which, sure I agree with. But I don't think anyone's saying it's some crazy price to advertise -- just an example of "a little too high" when talking highs & lows! Don't take it personally. :) As a side note, a guy's dick still working normal after isn't what makes one go from $140/ hr to $200/ hr. A guy being smart and not going BBFS will pretty much take care of that, so it's not a special treat.


ask yourself this "How can you men expect barbie to like pleasing you when you guys are no where near a Ken!Again, it's not about the girl's looks VS the guy customer. It's about how she measures up to what she's charging VS the Other Girls'. Not him. Where she falls in line in the market price.

If a girl's looks are WOW and validated as not fake pics, and what seems to be worth $200/ hr as standard -- meaning she's a lot hotter than your average provider -- but cum to find out her performance is really bad, yeah, she's Not worth $200/ hr either. Word is your execution is great. And that's great! And some people who are into mild BBWs would probably be OK paying $200/ hr or close to it with mild negotiation. But yeah, it doesn't mean it's going to be a keen market price overall. At $200/ hr, the average customer is not getting a good "bang" for his "buck", but giving a little more "buck" for the "bang" when getting a mild BBW who handles it all just fine & dandy. That's all the talk is about... good/bad/high/low on prices and what ya get, etc.

If you get the $$ you want at whatever price you adv & negotiate, great. It's your call! But you can't get upset if some guys may use yours as an example of "too high price" when talking about highs & lows of some people out there. Don't take it so personally. It doesn't mean you're not a good visit. Word is, you Are! It's just talk about Prices out there. :)

Benz1
10-19-17, 01:24
Funny all you guys on here want to complain and pick out the flaws on us women but your the ugly, desperate ones paying for sex when you got a wife at home and a family and not to mention your small and / or limp dicks.

I know my worth and what I ask for I get from the average customer, you want to know why? Because their dick still works normal. B**z1 get over yourself, your blowing me up and why because your little limp dick liked what you got, Mon*1 yea your ass was moaning like a woman with pleasure. I could say more but ask yourself this "How can you men expect barbie to like pleasing you when you guys are no where near a Ken!Wow, both barrels. One for Monger and Me.

You are right about one thing, I am full of myself.

I am so very proud of myself that I don't over pay and support GPS. When I do see a girl worth 200 I will proudly stand up quicker.

Not that you were bad, you were very good at 80. There just isn't very many in that 200 category, I would say the same thing about any provider except Kandi for me and maybe someone else for Monger01 and it's different for everyone.

That being said kindly. I don't think you realize that when someone searches your name they will now see the attitude that I was told about but didn't believe until now.

If you really are going out west, I'm sure you don't care. After exposing your attitude, I'm thinking you'll have a lot of time on your hands for packing.

Bth9318
10-19-17, 03:46
Holy gps. Jesus Christ $300 fucking dollars an hour. Frankly maybe you deserve to get fucked over stupid enough to pay 300 fucking dollars. I have yet to come across a $300 piece of ass. Maybe me and benz need to give a goddamn seminar on gps and negotiating. STOP PAYING UP FRONT. STOP OVER PAYING FOR CHRIST SAKES.

Bth9318
10-19-17, 04:01
These guys may let you off easy but I'm not. Stupid fat bitches like you are exactly why I don't have a gf. I can't stand to be around you dumb cunts longer than an hour. During that hour I don't have to listen to you because your pie hole is full of my cock I wouldn't even fuck your nasty chunky cum dumpster ass for free I have higher standards that's why you never heard from me. If the guys your with have limp dicks that's on you being to damn disgusting to turn them on. The best Viagra I know of is a 120 pound 20 year old hottie with a nice round ass and a perky rack. Read up on Viagra it only works if your sexually excited. So in your case it would be a waste of a pill if he is meeting your nasty ass. Take you and your over priced worn out pussy out west.

Bloozer
10-19-17, 04:18
Wow, both barrels. One for Monger and Me.

You are right about one thing, I am full of myself.

I am so very proud of myself that I don't over pay and support GPS. When I do see a girl worth 200 I will proudly stand up quicker.

Not that you were bad, you were very good at 80. There just isn't very many in that 200 category, I would say the same thing about any provider except Kandi for me and maybe someone else for Monger01 and it's different for everyone.

That being said kindly. I don't think you realize that when someone searches your name they will now see the attitude that I was told about but didn't believe until now.

If you really are going out west, I'm sure you don't care. After exposing your attitude, I'm thinking you'll have a lot of time on your hands for packing.Has this " So Called" provider ever considered the fact that Diabetes, Old Age, and sometimes High Blood pressure is a major factor in "Limp-dick ed- ness"? You see, if some poor afflicted monger comes to you with any or all of these ailments with cash in hand, he's expecting an expert "Care-Giver" who knows just what to do and how to do it. You see, that's the mark of a true professional!. Oh yea, and she would need to realize and understand that a condom won't stay on a "Limp-Dick". BBBJ is in most cases required. There are many other fun things also. But evidently, this professional hasn't got a clue! Glad I never wasted my time or money. God bless this board!!

Blackfire
10-19-17, 06:47
Wow, both barrels. One for Monger and Me.

That being said kindly. I don't think you realize that when someone searches your name they will now see the attitude that I was told about but didn't believe until now.

If you really are going out west, I'm sure you don't care. After exposing your attitude, I'm thinking you'll have a lot of time on your hands for packing.Just a litte musing this morning. The last line made me think. I wonder if it's the monger ego liking to think that because of a bad review or bad actions that are reported on this board that a lady will be hurting for business? Or does this board really drive the majority of the business that an escort gets in Grand Rapids?

I don't know of any other boards in the area that guys can review on and ladies can advertise on anymore, but at the same time it doesn't seem like there are enough individuals from JUST this board that all the ladies servicing this market would be so greatly affected if they are dissed or "outed" that they would have to find a new line of work. On a side note. She forgot to mention "stinky balls". Used to be the standard on Scorps.

Benz1
10-19-17, 08:27
Just a litte musing this morning. The last line made me think. I wonder if it's the monger ego liking to think that because of a bad review or bad actions that are reported on this board that a lady will be hurting for business? Or does this board really drive the majority of the business that an escort gets in Grand Rapids?

I don't know of any other boards in the area that guys can review on and ladies can advertise on anymore, but at the same time it doesn't seem like there are enough individuals from JUST this board that all the ladies servicing this market would be so greatly affected if they are dissed or "outed" that they would have to find a new line of work. On a side note. She forgot to mention "stinky balls". Used to be the standard on Scorps.You're right Mr. Blackfire, we are a small portion of their business. It's the lurkers on this forum that make up a larger portion of their business. When girls get bad reviews here, they take down their ads and change their names.
One good example is SpacyStacy, after getting a bad review here, she needs to change her name, phone number and pics or she won't have any business. Think of how many times she has done that and why.
You have to be a member to search a name on this forum, you don't have to be a member to read it. This is the only site left for guys to read before they go out to play. The last time I looked at Naughty Reviews, they require membership just to read it.

Admin2
10-19-17, 08:50
Funny all you guys on here want to complain and pick out the flaws on us women but your the ugly, desperate ones paying for sex when you got a wife at home and a family and not to mention your small and / or limp dicks.

I know my worth and what I ask for I get from the average customer, you want to know why? Because their dick still works normal. B**z1 get over yourself, your blowing me up and why because your little limp dick liked what you got, Mon*1 yea your ass was moaning like a woman with pleasure. I could say more but ask yourself this "How can you men expect barbie to like pleasing you when you guys are no where near a Ken!Normally I delete posts like this but sometimes I think it's fair you guys get to see exactly how much contempt some chicks have for you.

Best of luck in your new niche servicing men who are into fem dom and humiliation.

A2

Benz1
10-19-17, 09:01
Normally I delete posts like this but sometimes I think it's fair you guys get to see exactly how much contempt some chicks have for you.

Best of luck in your new niche servicing men who are into fem dom and humiliation.

A2Thanks for letting it through A2, her post was entertaining.

Monger01
10-19-17, 09:35
Funny all you guys on here want to complain and pick out the flaws on us women but your the ugly, desperate ones paying for sex when you got a wife at home and a family and not to mention your small and / or limp dicks.Says the girl who blew me while she wore a wedding ring.



I know my worth and what I ask for I get from the average customer, you want to know why? Because their dick still works normal.
I doubt they pay your ask rate "because their dick works normal". More likely because they're newbs who don't know they're overpaying you. As soon as they see Destiny or Jen for less than you charge they will realize it.


Mon*1 yea your ass was moaning like a woman with pleasure. I could say more but ask yourself this "How can you men expect barbie to like pleasing you when you guys are no where near a Ken!I probably was. You give good head! Your Ken / Barbie analogy makes no sense here. We PAY for a service. This isn't to be compared to a guy dating out of his league. Do you charge less for good looking guys? Also never dated or married a girl as heavy as you. So don't go thinking you're Barbie and I won't think I'm Ken.

Coming on here trashing clients is the dumbest move you could make.
I left you a good review. Your service was good. But, as another monger pointed out, you are missing the point of this thread. We were discussing GPS and pricing. We all have opinions on the subject and sorry but my opinion is there are hotter providers out there that offer your service and menu for lower rates. Ironically your reply also validated the GPS subject perfectly. Benz helped get you clientele quickly. Then you let it go to your head and now you think your worth the same as a young hot spinner. Sorry but you're not.

Good luck out west. I've been there. Model level looks in escorts are commonplace in CA, Nevada etc. You won't be pulling in 200/ hr there I assure you.

Monger01
10-19-17, 10:29
Spacey is one of many providers that have had to change names and go to headless pics after bad reviews here. I do not think our reviews will end a girl's business but it does have impact, both good and bad. Jen told me she's doing well from this site due to great reviews and she's been off BP for months now. Considering the amount of lurkers that PM me for digits I'd say Benz is spot on.

And this site is hands down better than naughty reviews. I've not loaded that site in years. Fake reviews would be a better name for it.


You're right Mr. Blackfire, we are a small portion of their business. It's the lurkers on this forum that make up a larger portion of their business. When girls get bad reviews here, they take down their ads and change their names.
One good example is SpacyStacy, after getting a bad review here, she needs to change her name, phone number and pics or she won't have any business. Think of how many times she has done that and why.
You have to be a member to search a name on this forum, you don't have to be a member to read it. This is the only site left for guys to read before they go out to play. The last time I looked at Naughty Reviews, they require membership just to read it..

NoseJelly
10-19-17, 10:42
I happen to look like Ken and I'm sick and tired of being treated like a piece of meat by these women!

NoseJelly
10-19-17, 16:39
Funny all you guys on here want to complain and pick out the flaws on us women but your the ugly, desperate ones paying for sex when you got a wife at home and a family.
I could say more but ask yourself this "How can you men expect barbie to like pleasing you when you guys are no where near a Ken!Not every Monger on this Forum has a wife and family Chiquita. This is a Business. Would you pay more for a car at Lot XYZ when the same car, with more options, is cheaper at Lot ABC? (Fuck NO!

Not only am I near a Ken, I'm way taller! Introduce me to Barbie sometime and we'll see how it goes!

NJ.

DuckBilled
10-21-17, 03:54
You're right Mr. Blackfire, we are a small portion of their business. It's the lurkers on this forum that make up a larger portion of their business. When girls get bad reviews here, they take down their ads and change their names.
One good example is SpacyStacy, after getting a bad review here, she needs to change her name, phone number and pics or she won't have any business. Think of how many times she has done that and why.
You have to be a member to search a name on this forum, you don't have to be a member to read it. This is the only site left for guys to read before they go out to play. The last time I looked at Naughty Reviews, they require membership just to read it.I am a semi-lurker. I have been on this board under different names. But I was a monger for a long long long long long time before I ever found this board. Matter of fact, my mongering history without this board far outweighs my mongering time with it. I think that there are probably plenty of "part-time" mongers who have never seen this board, and so a girl will probably get a fair amount of business even with a bad review here. But obviously a good review here DOES mean a lot more business. Plus, the YMMV rule always applies. There are times I have taken a chance on a girl even with a bad review, and many of those times have had a good time, and occasionally even an excellent time. And vice versa. The only providers I ever rule out entirely are the girls who rip a monger off, either time-wise or, obviously, outright theft. Or if she has an obnoxious / obtrusive pimp / bf.

My only point is this: yes, negative reviews have negative effects. But usually not enough to force a relocation. But that's just my opinion. 😁 Everyone have a good day, and get laid!

DuckBilled
10-21-17, 04:02
Normally I delete posts like this but sometimes I think it's fair you guys get to see exactly how much contempt some chicks have for you.

Best of luck in your new niche servicing men who are into fem dom and humiliation.

A2AHA! Just as I always suspected! Thank you, though, for modifying "chicks" with "some". We all know that there are also some very great providers out there. In fact, just great women, some of them are.

BTW, I am not into femdom or humiliation. But lately I have been craving an "Amazon". Not a muscle chick like Brianna, but just a larger, but still HWP woman. Don't know why, but the thought of that has been turning me on a lot lately.

MetroRider
10-21-17, 13:20
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Never, EVER try and **** shame a woman for selling pussy on this forum.

A2

AvaMarie8155
10-22-17, 10:32
Well this helps me narrow down my search for a dui partner. 😂128514;.


Not every Monger on this Forum has a wife and family Chiquita. This is a Business. Would you pay more for a car at Lot XYZ when the same car, with more options, is cheaper at Lot ABC? (Fuck NO!

Not only am I near a Ken, I'm way taller! Introduce me to Barbie sometime and we'll see how it goes!

NJ.

MaxCady
10-23-17, 10:51
Well this helps me narrow down my search for a dui partner. 😂128514;.I'm just catching up on the new crystal drama. I'm almost speachless.

I'm in the retail business and attitude is everything on both sides of the counter. I have ever type of customer big small and every race and gender every one has a good and bad. We have black regular customers who I look forward to seeing and talking with along wit having gangsters thug haters who I can't get out of the store fast enough, we have rich white customers who want and demand everything and the poorest trailer trash, flirtatious women and total bitches. It's all about attitude.

My bottom like is there spending money at my business and I treat all equal.

Mike Yepthatsm
10-23-17, 20:57
Dui partner?


Well this helps me narrow down my search for a dui partner. 😂128514;.

AvaMarie8155
10-23-17, 22:10
I meant duo. Seems like every time I look for someone, this crazy stuff happens.


Dui partner?

Bth9318
10-23-17, 23:39
I meant duo. Seems like every time I look for someone, this crazy stuff happens.It wouldn't work out anyway. You would get all the attention while she was ignored in the corner with her gps.

Monger01
10-24-17, 07:49
Go with Destiny or Jen savage if they'll do duos. Nicky snowbunny might be good choice but she uses a private residence.


I meant duo. Seems like every time I look for someone, this crazy stuff happens.

AvaMarie8155
10-24-17, 20:51
Seems like its more trouble than it's worth. For sure not looking for someone who's supporting, "habits".


Go with Destiny or Jen savage if they'll do duos. Nicky snowbunny might be good choice but she uses a private residence.

Benz1
10-25-17, 13:00
Seems like its more trouble than it's worth. For sure not looking for someone who's supporting, "habits".Dear Ava,

The top tier seldom schedule duos because it's seems like more trouble than its worth. True.

Mercedes would frequently bring in random different duo partners so they could share the expense at nicer hotels. I never scheduled duos with her but sometimes it happened because I was a regular and the new girl wasn't busy, she needed a little extra money and added alot of extra fun. Good for the client and added features for the escorts menu that will create more repeat appointments.

You could have a hhr appointment turn into a hr.

If you have a GF without bad habbits, ask her to hang out for the client's option, you might be suprised. She doest have to be hot like you, she just has to be fun.

ChipCharger
10-25-17, 14:37
Dear Ava,

The top tier seldom schedule duos because it's seems like more trouble than its worth. True.

Mercedes would frequently bring in random different duo partners so they could share the expense at nicer hotels. I never scheduled duos with her but sometimes it happened because I was a regular and the new girl wasn't busy, she needed a little extra money and added alot of extra fun. Good for the client and added features for the escorts menu that will create more repeat appointments.

You could have a hhr appointment turn into a hr.

If you have a GF without bad habbits, ask her to hang out for the client's option, you might be suprised. She doest have to be hot like you, she just has to be fun.I agree with Benz, mostly. The thing about a good duo experience is that there is good chemistry all around. I've had really fun times but then again not so much, and a hefty donation taboot. Probably a key factor in a good threesome is if the girls are bi and actually get along. Had some good ones even when married. Some are sleeping with each other. The agency staged threesomes were / are a joke. The girl girl thing is a factor not to be underestimated. Jenn Savage would be good to talk to. She has a current duo partner but would be a good resource. Her current girl partner is not girl girl but that would set things apart. If she were. You may have to do quite a bit of leg work if you don't have a bestie that you think would be up for it. Usually bi girls know their way around and have resources you might say. Still, as you say, it may not be worth it. You have a good reputation now though although I've never seen you; I have tried. Thanks for being part of the board.

Monger01
10-26-17, 13:49
Yea I get that. Honestly it's rare for providers to not be supporting a habit. Off the top of my head you and kandi are the only candy-free providers that come to mind. If you offered cim I'd see you a lot.


Seems like its more trouble than it's worth. For sure not looking for someone who's supporting, "habits"..

Bth9318
10-27-17, 00:37
Seems like its more trouble than it's worth. For sure not looking for someone who's supporting, "habits".Although I have not seen you yet but from reading the reviews it's an oversight I look to remedy soon. I have seen sunshine and her bestie and had a great time. I don't believe sunshine to be on anything harder than 420. The last time I spoke with her she expressed leaning towards not doing duo with the bestie anymore. But I think you two together would be a blast. You may want to reach out to her. She has her own place in a decent neighbor hood.

MrLovaLova1
10-27-17, 09:05
Holy crap Batman there are a lot of providers chiming in on every crevice of this forum. Ladies take notes while you're here please and thank you.

Rant over.

ChipCharger
10-27-17, 09:22
Holy crap Batman there are a lot of providers chiming in on every crevice of this forum. Ladies take notes while you're here please and thank you.

Rant over.A2 monitors the posts. If they are not appropriate, he weeds them out. A2 allowed the Crystal stuff through to prove a point. This site is not a secret by any means and is read by many providers and always has been.

AvaMarie8155
10-27-17, 23:42
To be honest, I wish I could.

But I can't. Not sure if it's physically or mentally, I just can't. Even if I'm black out drunk, it's a hit and miss. I don't know if I work myself up too much, or what. I know I've had some bad experiences with it before. But I'm at least attempting to work on it. Baby steps LOL


Yea I get that. Honestly it's rare for providers to not be supporting a habit. Off the top of my head you and kandi are the only candy-free providers that come to mind. If you offered cim I'd see you a lot.

..

Monger01
10-28-17, 13:22
I'd be glad to help you practice! My rates are low! LOL.


To be honest, I wish I could.

But I can't. Not sure if it's physically or mentally, I just can't. Even if I'm black out drunk, it's a hit and miss. I don't know if I work myself up too much, or what. I know I've had some bad experiences with it before. But I'm at least attempting to work on it. Baby steps LOL

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RunDeep
10-28-17, 14:18
Maybe even better, I'll help you practice without needing CIM.


I'd be glad to help you practice! My rates are low! LOL.


To be honest, I wish I could.

But I can't. Not sure if it's physically or mentally, I just can't. Even if I'm black out drunk, it's a hit and miss. I don't know if I work myself up too much, or what. I know I've had some bad experiences with it before. But I'm at least attempting to work on it. Baby steps LOL

.

TokyoDawson
10-29-17, 06:23
Holy crap Batman there are a lot of providers chiming in on every crevice of this forum. Ladies take notes while you're here please and thank you.

Rant over.Reviews are pretty tough on the gals, laying out the good, bad, and ugly for all to see. Here is a chance to turn it around a bit and educate this monger group. Ladies, what are your top 3 complaints about mongers?

My money is on: bad hygiene, endless texting, and no shows.

Girls1
10-29-17, 08:01
Probably was my fault.

Dreamed of trying the deed and she didn't like it.

She hadn't done it before, and I hoped she wouldn't mind it. Wrong. Next time more pineapple :)

Sorry Ava, my fault.


To be honest, I wish I could.

But I can't. Not sure if it's physically or mentally, I just can't. Even if I'm black out drunk, it's a hit and miss. I don't know if I work myself up too much, or what. I know I've had some bad experiences with it before. But I'm at least attempting to work on it. Baby steps LOL

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Love The Lips
10-29-17, 10:00
To be honest, I wish I could.

But I can't. Not sure if it's physically or mentally, I just can't. Even if I'm black out drunk, it's a hit and miss. I don't know if I work myself up too much, or what. I know I've had some bad experiences with it before. But I'm at least attempting to work on it. Baby steps LOL

.I know you're not a fan of cim but do you allow facials? I think those are hotter and more fun anyway!

AvaMarie8155
10-29-17, 10:52
1. Hygiene. Biggest pet peeve. I'll use real instances. I had a construction worker try to see me on his break after working in 90 degree weather.

No.

2. No shows / sending the wrong address. Wrong addresses are the worst.

3. Picking fights with me. I've had quite a few people, not sure if they're members of the board actually pick fights with me and insult me because I don't offer their fetish or offer what they want.

4. Offering me drugs.

5. Endless calls. Texting is no problem for me. But I don't stay at where I'm hosting. I go home inbetween appointments since I have a personal limit of a certain amount of people a day. I understand why some people prefer calls, it's just harder to answer them when I'm at home.


Reviews are pretty tough on the gals, laying out the good, bad, and ugly for all to see. Here is a chance to turn it around a bit and educate this monger group. Ladies, what are your top 3 complaints about mongers?

My money is on: bad hygiene, endless texting, and no shows.

MrLovaLova1
10-29-17, 13:26
1. Hygiene. Biggest pet peeve. I'll use real instances. I had a construction worker try to see me on his break after working in 90 degree weather.

No.

2. No shows / sending the wrong address. Wrong addresses are the worst.

3. Picking fights with me. I've had quite a few people, not sure if they're members of the board actually pick fights with me and insult me because I don't offer their fetish or offer what they want.

4. Offering me drugs.

5. Endless calls. Texting is no problem for me. But I don't stay at where I'm hosting. I go home inbetween appointments since I have a personal limit of a certain amount of people a day. I understand why some people prefer calls, it's just harder to answer them when I'm at home.I respect your comments and your openness to provide your perspectives. I just wish more providers used this site in this way instead of self promotion but hey just my opinion!

Bth9318
11-01-17, 03:20
To be honest, I wish I could.

But I can't. Not sure if it's physically or mentally, I just can't. Even if I'm black out drunk, it's a hit and miss. I don't know if I work myself up too much, or what. I know I've had some bad experiences with it before. But I'm at least attempting to work on it. Baby steps LOL

.I know I talk some shit on here but when it comes to this I am a total gentlman. I let them know it's coming, if they back off its fine. I have a rule I apply to providers and my employees. If I won't or can't do it how can I expect you to. Nothing in anal, no cock in any shape or form so that would apply to cim. Now with that said if you do not do cim or facial then for Christ sakes learn how to finish the BBBJ correctly. I hate when your there and they back off and stop stroking it and let it hang there. Don't STOP TILL I YELL YOU. No quicker way to ruin a good BBBJ. Thank you.

NoseJelly
11-09-17, 00:10
Fuckin' A!

TeddBear
11-14-17, 00:16
I should have put my opinion on this board if Bobbyjoe77 wants to buttfuck Rome123 for being shallow then so be it I don't usually get in to arguments I just state my opinion weather it be right or wrong they can't eat a dick it's still my opinion.

NoseJelly
11-14-17, 01:36
TB, one of the mongers (small m) arguing has several whiney posts about not having luck Mongering. One post sounded like he was going to do harm to himself. He or Admin deleted it. Probably because it was creepy and pathetic. Luckily we were blessed with this here Pugilistic Section where things can get stirred up real good! WooooooooooOOOOOOO!

BobbyJoe77
11-14-17, 04:50
I should have put my opinion on this board if Bobbyjoe77 wants to buttfuck Rome123 for being shallow then so be it I don't usually get in to arguments I just state my opinion weather it be right or wrong they can't eat a dick it's still my opinion.TB stop being a asshole please.

BobbyJoe77
11-14-17, 04:55
TB, one of the mongers (small m) arguing has several whiney posts about not having luck Mongering. One post sounded like he was going to do harm to himself. He or Admin deleted it. Probably because it was creepy and pathetic. Luckily we were blessed with this here Pugilistic Section where things can get stirred up real good! WooooooooooOOOOOOO!Appreciate the support.

Libertas
11-14-17, 12:12
Teddbear. I just wanted to post a comment and my opinion on the matter of something you said on the other thread. You stated a monger shouldn't give a negative review of a good performer based off the provider's look. That's a tough subject, I think both should be weighed independently and possibly provide an average of the two for the final score with the caveat that any monger reading would need to do a deeper look into why the score is that way.

Shallow or not, at the end of the day we're the customers and paying customers should have a good idea of what they're purchasing. It's why I typically share only factual information. If the item is subjective. I'll state it. The problem is there are mongers that can't tell the difference between the two and post "Smoking body" when in reality the body is 200 pounds with childbirth scars or "She's petite and hot as all heck" but in reality she's rail thin with track marks. One is subjective the other is factual. Mongers need to focus on providing factual information over subjective information.

WaltK
11-14-17, 13:47
I can't imagine why this needs to be debated but what the fuck.

Looks and performance are clearly two different things and both are very subjective. Everyone knows that every review is full of subjective info, any monger who has been around the block a few times knows this. There is an implied YMMV with every review. I don't see any more validity to the notion that a monger should gloss over a providers looks because of good performance than I do for the idea that poor performance should be excused for good looks. The primary benefit to review boards has always been about safety issues; LE stings, ripoffs etc.

I have been amazed at how many times I have met women that were reviewed as being hot and found them to be mediocre looking to downright unattractive. I don't care how well a woman performs, I don't pay twice for unattractive. But that is me, admittedly I am as shallow as a mud puddle and I am not going to apologize or feel bad about it. The other thing that I think comes into play a lot for looks oriented mongers is the "going through the motions" performance that you get when the provider knows that you are disappointed in her appearance. Many of the board favorites are average to below average looking (and they know it), so when they sense the monger isn't into them they naturally don't perform as well. Conversely, I think it stands to reason that a young hottie will perform better for a decent looking guy than she will for a 50 something year old fat sweaty pig. You can't knock the fugly chick or the hottie for this, chemistry matters both ways.

TeddBear
11-14-17, 13:53
This is what I meant that it is a review of providers ability and looks together not just looks my point was Jenn is a good provider as reviewed by many yes she has body flaws but it's not fair to poorly review her by looks alone is shallow and not very accurate bobby Joe77 head Bobby doesn't realize this and wants to call me an ass hole well fuck him keep whining instead of fucking and reporting about fucking instead of getting fucked.

RogerOver
11-14-17, 16:18
Benz, this looks great. I added a few things like a spot to put a link for provider, how many visits to this provider, rate / tip, overall numerical ratings for skills and attitude and a few other things. See below for the first review using this system. Still honing it. It does take a little time to fill this out, but seems like it will save us all time in the long run. This review is for Angel, who works out of Royal Touch with Chloe, but I saw her as an independent at her apartment a few months back and it was bland enough to not inspire an immediate review, but it's perfect fodder for our new form:

Name: Angel.

Service Type: Massage.

Link: http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/new-neglecting-yourself-chloe-and-angel-royal-touch-616-214-7078-we-love-our-job-it-shows/25912573.

Rates: $60 + $20 for topless and I left a $20 tip.

How many visits to this provider? First.

Appearance? BBW that could've benefitted from at least some makeup and not being in sweats.

Nude? No.

Topless? Yes, after upsell.

Massage Skills? OK, not great.

HJ? Yes, and a fairly decent one.

CBJ? BBBJ? CIM? Swallow? CFS? BBFS? Daty? Prostrate massage? Rim Job? Pegging? GFE? MSOG? I didn't ask about these services because wasn't inspired to.

Taste / smell of pussy? Good_ ok_ Bad_? And / A.

Body type? BBW, but wouldn't know just how big from pics. Big girl.

Accurate Pics? Not really, it's the girl in the pics but she wasn't made up at all when I visited and in fact was in sweats without any attempt at appearance. Also heavier than in posted pics.

Phone Number: List 7 of 10 digits: (616) -8400.

Email: and / A.

Independent? Agency? Both. She works out of Royal, but she had me come to her apartment.

Age: Posted? And / A Looks like? Early 30's.

Ethnicity: Not sure, but kind of Mexican / Italian-ish.

Skin Tone: slight olive.

Hair color: dark.

Teeth: All there.

Bust size: Large.

Bust Appearance: Semi-saggy.

Tattoos: Yes.

Piercings: None that I could see.

Feet: Toe sucking? No.

Smoker? Yes, but not during session.

Incall:

Safe? Yes.

Neighborhood? Just off 28th near airport.

Residential? Yes, decent apartment complex in quiet neighborhood, but a smoky, smelly mess.

Repeat at this incall? No.

Repeat with this provider? No.

Date of Meeting: April 2017.

Overall rating: Massage Skills? 5/10 Attitude? 5/10, not unfriendly, but not really caring.

Description of Experience: Total YMMV experience. I saw an ad for Angel on BP that listed her as independent (it was later that I would see her ads with Cloe at Royal). Her pics made her look like a hot curvy girl with great massage skills. I got to her place and she had on sweats and no make-up kind of like she didn't give a damn. Not attractive. Got inside to smelly messy place with cats. Table was in a small bedroom. Lightly rubbed lotion on me with occasional pressure here and there. No teasing. No verbal play. Flipped and had to upsell to get topless. Got to work on the HE and actually did well there. Overall, just wanted to get me in, get me off, get me out, and get paid. I've had too many better experiences to ever go back.


Forgot one other very important thing to add:

Length of time advertised for this rate? 1 hr.

Length of time actually spent with provider? 40 min.If you fellas try just a little harder, you might be able to fill a full fucking page with your silly-ass form. Do you guys really take getting some pussy this seriously? Must be something in the water up there. I'm waiting for someone to add something about bowel movement consistency to the list of shit to grade.

NoseJelly
11-14-17, 16:41
I'm running out of toner printing out all of the SUPER Monger info in this thread! The amount of valuable info is Staggering!

Benz1
11-14-17, 16:46
If you fellas try just a little harder, you might be able to fill a full fucking page with your silly-ass form. Do you guys really take getting some pussy this seriously? Must be something in the water up there. I'm waiting for someone to add something about bowel movement consistency to the list of shit to grade.I agree there is definitely two ways to look at this shit.

If you read the original post from Rome123, he spent time and money that could have been avoided with this form. The Provider had been reviewed many times with no mention of Physical flaws that might be a turn off to others.

Reviewing some quality pussy that will not Rip you off is the main reason this site exists. Because mongers often review providers differently, this will help sort out the issues of what we like to spend our money on.

RogerOver, if you notice I included a line for you on the form. (TEETH). With all this info, mongers will not have to post a question and wait for an answer. Possibly using less space overall and saving Ink Toner for NoseJelly to print all of it.

This whole argument and Review Form is because a regular monger visited a senior monger's ATF. Honest thorough reviews could be better for all of us following other mongers trails.

This could be all be avoided if we quit using links in our reviews, only share with like minded members through PM. We could Shut down the lurkers opinions on this board by using pm to share digits and li

I'm not sharing an opinion of what is better for any of us, I'm showing options and possible solutions.

Happy Hunting.

Charlie441
11-14-17, 18:16
Looks and performance are clearly two different things and both are very subjective. Everyone knows that every review is full of subjective info, any monger who has been around the block a few times knows this. There is an implied YMMV with every review. I don't see any more validity to the notion that a monger should gloss over a providers looks because of good performance than I do for the idea that poor performance should be excused for good looks.I agree. They are different things, and as said before, should be judged separately, and usually are. That said, it's not PURELY subjective all the time. Obviously if a gal has a nice curvy body (as seen in link in post), but the poster complains that she's trying out for Shindler's List II with bruised holes all up and down her legs and arms -- much like persona like being high -- yeah, it should be judged. That's also what this is about. Usually the judgement call on looks isn't a bad thing -- although yeah, one shouldn't incorporate Their tastes as "Ugggh" or "Ahhh!" They should apply an objective perspective, which has been done -- like "She's BBW, not the way out type but not by thing, so if it's yours, she's worth a shot," that sorta thing.


I have been amazed at how many times I have met women that were reviewed as being hot and found them to be mediocre looking to downright unattractive. I don't care how well a woman performs, I don't pay twice for unattractive.Good point. We can subjectively be affected by a gal who's OK in looks in our book, but if she acts sexy and is open + into it big + GFE if that's what we like -- *we* can feel she's "hot" in the general sense, and make us biased in her looks and express it. That's why I say guys should judge her looks like a robot -- not while immersed in the feelings of the awesome BBBJ he was getting. .

That said, we're all "shallow" on looks to one degree or another. They mean something. To some, not that much. Much the same as going to a parlor. To some, the massage itself? Ehhh, as long as it isn't hurting me, I'm fine. To others? Oh, they want a Good massage. So the same can be said on many fronts.

In the end, judging the looks -- yeah, definitely. But be Objective about it, looking from a general crowd's POV when expressing it as how she universally looks, is all.

NoseJelly
11-14-17, 19:41
Thanks Benz! My Laser Printer and I appreciate it!

TeddBear
11-14-17, 21:00
I agree. They are different things, and as said before, should be judged separately, and usually are. That said, it's not PURELY subjective all the time. Obviously if a gal has a nice curvy body (as seen in link in post), but the poster complains that she's trying out for Shindler's List II with bruised holes all up and down her legs and arms -- much like persona like being high -- yeah, it should be judged. That's also what this is about. Usually the judgement call on looks isn't a bad thing -- although yeah, one shouldn't incorporate Their tastes as "Ugggh" or "Ahhh!" They should apply an objective perspective, which has been done -- like "She's BBW, not the way out type but not by thing, so if it's yours, she's worth a shot," that sorta thing.

Good point. We can subjectively be affected by a gal who's OK in looks in our book, but if she acts sexy and is open + into it big + GFE if that's what we like -- *we* can feel she's "hot" in the general sense, and make us biased in her looks and express it. That's why I say guys should judge her looks like a robot -- not while immersed in the feelings of the awesome BBBJ he was getting. .

That said, we're all "shallow" on looks to one degree or another. They mean something. To some, not that much. Much the same as going to a parlor. To some, the massage itself? Ehhh, as long as it isn't hurting me, I'm fine. To others? Oh, they want a Good massage. So the same can be said on many fronts.

In the end, judging the looks -- yeah, definitely. But be Objective about it, looking from a general crowd's POV when expressing it as how she universally looks, is all.That was well put my friend that's what I was getting at is exactly what you said it wasn't about Jenn being my ATF it was how Rome123 put his review that put me off he needed to word it better is all. You can be objective with out trashing a provider.

Rome123
11-14-17, 21:04
I should have put my opinion on this board if Bobbyjoe77 wants to buttfuck Rome123 for being shallow then so be it I don't usually get in to arguments I just state my opinion weather it be right or wrong they can't eat a dick it's still my opinion.I think this is a little harsh. I don't know you and you don't know me either. There is no reason to make this personal. I wrote a review and I stand behind it. The physical flaws were to much for me. Saggy boobs and major baby damage it not something I want at all. Good service or having a nice personality does not offset the physical flaws for me.

For me this matter is closed and it's time to move on.

RogerOver
11-14-17, 21:19
I agree there is definitely two ways to look at this shit.

If you read the original post from Rome123, he spent time and money that could have been avoided with this form. The Provider had been reviewed many times with no mention of Physical flaws that might be a turn off to others.

Reviewing some quality pussy that will not Rip you off is the main reason this site exists. Because mongers often review providers differently, this will help sort out the issues of what we like to spend our money on.

RogerOver, if you notice I included a line for you on the form. (TEETH). With all this info, mongers will not have to post a question and wait for an answer. Possibly using less space overall and saving Ink Toner for NoseJelly to print all of it.

This whole argument and Review Form is because a regular monger visited a senior monger's ATF. Honest thorough reviews could be better for all of us following other mongers trails.

This could be all be avoided if we quit using links in our reviews, only share with like minded members through PM. We could Shut down the lurkers opinions on this board by using pm to share digits and li
I'm not sharing an opinion of what is better for any of us, I'm showing options and possible solutions.

Happy Hunting.That's always my first question and the fact that you've used the plural form is a good effort!

Honestly, and have said before in other cities I travel in, it would be just grand if we could simply agree on some sort of "looks" scale. That's never been anything I've seen folks get behind either. Regarding your point about "lurkers", Emphasis was added by me above regarding lurkers..

I think there may be something of a downer attitude towards "lurkers" here. From things I've read and having been involved in a board or two, I can tell you that those of us that review isn't keeping the lights on around here. It's the "lurkers. " They probably outnumber the posters by a factor of 20-to-1. They get ad impressions and it allows the admin here to monetize the site. Personally, I'm all for subscriptions, but that's not the way this board works. So without lurkers to come here and read the reviews, you won't have a place to use your three-page form OR the opportunity to run out of ink toner.

RogerOver
11-14-17, 21:26
I can't imagine why this needs to be debated but what the fuck.

Looks and performance are clearly two different things and both are very subjective. Everyone knows that every review is full of subjective info, any monger who has been around the block a few times knows this. There is an implied YMMV with every review. I don't see any more validity to the notion that a monger should gloss over a providers looks because of good performance than I do for the idea that poor performance should be excused for good looks. The primary benefit to review boards has always been about safety issues; LE stings, ripoffs etc.

I have been amazed at how many times I have met women that were reviewed as being hot and found them to be mediocre looking to downright unattractive. I don't care how well a woman performs, I don't pay twice for unattractive. But that is me, admittedly I am as shallow as a mud puddle and I am not going to apologize or feel bad about it. The other thing that I think comes into play a lot for looks oriented mongers is the "going through the motions" performance that you get when the provider knows that you are disappointed in her appearance. Many of the board favorites are average to below average looking (and they know it), so when they sense the monger isn't into them they naturally don't perform as well. Conversely, I think it stands to reason that a young hottie will perform better for a decent looking guy than she will for a 50 something year old fat sweaty pig. You can't knock the fugly chick or the hottie for this, chemistry matters both ways.I'm not disrespectful towards the women, but I do in fact get to grade looks and performance. I spend time looking at reviews and asking questions just to make sure I'm not disappointed and neither her or I have a negative encounter. BUT! Since I'm the one dropping the cash, it's pretty much on them to make sure I'm having a good time. If she doesn't want to, she is welcome to ask me to leave and we can both move on, no harm / no foul.

I'm pretty shallow myself.

HagStrom
11-14-17, 23:06
Certain number of posts? Also, how long does it take for a mod to approve a comment typically?

It would be great if reviews were a bit more organized. I find it difficult to find info with the search function.

Like maybe, there should be one folder that is strictly reviews. Even better if using that new review form.

EdMonger
11-15-17, 08:28
Regular Members are automatically upgraded to Senior Member when they have been a Forum Member for 6 months AND have posted 25 or more reports.


Certain number of posts? Also, how long does it take for a mod to approve a comment typically?

It would be great if reviews were a bit more organized. I find it difficult to find info with the search function.

Like maybe, there should be one folder that is strictly reviews. Even better if using that new review form.

MrLovaLova1
11-15-17, 17:47
I agree there is definitely two ways to look at this shit.

If you read the original post from Rome123, he spent time and money that could have been avoided with this form. The Provider had been reviewed many times with no mention of Physical flaws that might be a turn off to others.

Reviewing some quality pussy that will not Rip you off is the main reason this site exists. Because mongers often review providers differently, this will help sort out the issues of what we like to spend our money on.

RogerOver, if you notice I included a line for you on the form. (TEETH). With all this info, mongers will not have to post a question and wait for an answer. Possibly using less space overall and saving Ink Toner for NoseJelly to print all of it.

This whole argument and Review Form is because a regular monger visited a senior monger's ATF. Honest thorough reviews could be better for all of us following other mongers trails.

This could be all be avoided if we quit using links in our reviews, only share with like minded members through PM. We could Shut down the lurkers opinions on this board by using pm to share digits and li

I'm not sharing an opinion of what is better for any of us, I'm showing options and possible solutions.

Happy Hunting.I think the form idea is a great idea imo. Although the site lacks for this geographical area at times, it sounds similar to what The Erotic Review has in place. Non-subjective information for reviews is best especially when mongers have vastly different tastes. I like what I'm reading lately on here fellas, makes me proud to be a monger LOL. All jokes aside these are great ideas.

Charlie441
11-16-17, 02:26
Saggy boobs and major baby damage it not something I want at all. Good service or having a nice personality does not offset the physical flaws for me.I agree for major physical flaws. I think for most people. It's just what is "major" enough, for most. After all, if physicality didn't matter, then gender wouldn't either. LOL.


I'm pretty shallow myself.I don't think it's shallow, though. No more than not caring much about a GFE = shallow. I think the issue is when someone describes someone as really cute when they're not. If all I say is "really cute" about a gal, I'm implying not "I happen to find her real cute", but I'm declaring her as Universally really cute. I think that's why body attributes is a good thing. And never anything wrong with "I really like her look. Real cute face -- but she's got some saggy boobs & some baby damage. ".

BobbyJoe77
11-16-17, 09:17
This is what I meant that it is a review of providers ability and looks together not just looks my point was Jenn is a good provider as reviewed by many yes she has body flaws but it's not fair to poorly review her by looks alone is shallow and not very accurate bobby Joe77 head Bobby doesn't realize this and wants to call me an ass hole well fuck him keep whining instead of fucking and reporting about fucking instead of getting fucked.Or you could apologize to me and Roma like a man. Sorry for sticking up for someone on this form that you are still harassing.

NoseJelly
11-16-17, 17:19
Or you could apologize to me and Roma like a man. Sorry for sticking up for someone on this form that you are still harassing.This is the Fight Free-For-All section. Not the Apologize and Hug section! Didn't you recently tell TB to "keep pimping his hoes" trying to imply he gets a cut of the money from the girls he gives good reviews to?

TeddBear
11-17-17, 02:11
Or you could apologize to me and Roma like a man. Sorry for sticking up for someone on this form that you are still harassing.I apologise to no one. I am in competition with no one. I have put a lot of time and money into toftt and reviewed providers fairly wether it was a good time or bad. If a provider wasn't in my wheel house I don't degrade her but report it objectively. I report if service was bad or good. I believe this is the way it should be most mongers agree with me. If you can't take constructive criticism go cry to momma. I stand by my opinion if you don't like it stay in kazoo. I'm not harassing Roma I just told him my opinion of his review.

Blackfire
11-17-17, 07:14
I apologise to no one. I am in competition with no one. I have put a lot of time and money into toftt and reviewed providers fairly wether it was a good time or bad. If a provider wasn't in my wheel house I don't degrade her but report it objectively. I report if service was bad or good. I believe this is the way it should be most mongers agree with me. If you can't take constructive criticism go cry to momma. I stand by my opinion if you don't like it stay in kazoo. I'm not harassing Roma I just told him my opinion of his review.I don't agree with the statement "most mongers agree with me" if that is meant to imply mongers agree with your criticism of Roma, or your subsequent running feud with BobbyJoe. I did not see anything wrong with Roma's short review, he stated she was cute and nice and gave good service. And also commented that from the neck down without her clothes it wasn't really all that nice to view. Seemed like a fair, and very honest opinion to me and I for one appreciate a guy being straight up.

Blackfire
11-17-17, 07:20
This is the Fight Free-For-All section. Not the Apologize and Hug section! Didn't you recently tell TB to "keep pimping his hoes" trying to imply he gets a cut of the money from the girls he gives good reviews to?Most mongers that have spent much time perusing the board knows who "pimps" their favorites and who doesn't. I don't think he necessarily meant it to be getting actual money from the girls, but maybe getting special treatment because it drives additional business her way by either pumping the volume on her services or defending her if someone posts anything other than a glowing account of her service. I'm not referring to anyone specific with this comment, just sharing MY perception of what "pimping" means in context of mongers on a review board. It's really not all that hard to understand who posts what and their motivation for it if you spend much time at all on the board.

RogerOver
11-17-17, 10:16
I apologise to no one. I am in competition with no one. I have put a lot of time and money into toftt and reviewed providers fairly wether it was a good time or bad. If a provider wasn't in my wheel house I don't degrade her but report it objectively. I report if service was bad or good. I believe this is the way it should be most mongers agree with me. If you can't take constructive criticism go cry to momma. I stand by my opinion if you don't like it stay in kazoo. I'm not harassing Roma I just told him my opinion of his review.That's a bit of a generalization. How do you know most mongers agree with you? Seems a little trump-like, saying "everybody knows" or "lots of people are saying". Metrics or it's bullshit.

NoseJelly
11-17-17, 11:25
That's a bit of a generalization. How do you know most mongers agree with you? Seems a little trump-like, saying "everybody knows" or "lots of people are saying". Metrics or it's bullshit.Everybody knows that lots of people are saying if you want to complain about politics, do it on the Facebook. Not on a Monger Forum fight section.

TeddBear
11-17-17, 15:08
That's a bit of a generalization. How do you know most mongers agree with you? Seems a little trump-like, saying "everybody knows" or "lots of people are saying". Metrics or it's bullshit.Because I know alot of mongers that would agree with me. There very few that disagree. That doesn't mean I'm always correct by no means. But my reputation proceeds it's self.

Benz1
11-17-17, 15:15
Review Form.

Do we start filling out a review form, for more accurate reviews on day one?

Will mongers skip the lines they do not want to review?

At this point we might assume that something was skipped in the review during a beaming afterglow.

With a list to follow, it might jar our memory a little.

If mongers choose to skip lines, there is no reason for the review form.