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When time permits, I will add more content to this thread to begin discussing some of the jewels in the area. This 'blog' can also be used for UTR ladies who may appear on these sites also.
When time permits, I will add more content to this thread to begin discussing some of the jewels in the area. This 'blog' can also be used for UTR ladies who may appear on these sites also.Thanks for starting this up, Thresh. While I'm not a fan of improving the competition in this area, maybe we can help foster a community to help guys from creating GPS among our girls, but also make sure the gents don't treat the local POTs like BP trash. LOL.
Thanks for starting this up, Thresh. While I'm not a fan of improving the competition in this area, maybe we can help foster a community to help guys from creating GPS among our girls, but also make sure the gents don't treat the local POTs like BP trash. LOL.What is SA?
I'm pretty sure SA is Seeking Arrangement.
What is SA?
Donatello,
I have debated creating a Raleigh SB blog just because of what you mentioned. Truthfully speaking, I am overwhelmed with messages and meet-and-greets. So I don't think a little competition will slow this down all that much. However, I do hear your "concerns. " There are so many SBs out there and very few quality SDs to keep them busy. I am hoping useful information here, whether its from sharing notes or making recommendations can outweigh a slight uptick in SDs in our area.
Thanks for starting this up, Thresh. While I'm not a fan of improving the competition in this area, maybe we can help foster a community to help guys from creating GPS among our girls, but also make sure the gents don't treat the local POTs like BP trash. LOL.
I joined a short time ago. I have been talking to about 8 or so. Traded some pics and kind of felt out the "arrangement" side of things. What I have found is that most are wanting $$$ for a meeting. Some are straight to the point, others want to meet for coffee / drink etc first. I think a little leg work along with some patience will pay off. I'm not necessarily after the younger girls. The ones closest to my age seem the most receptive so far (35-45).
John HandCock
04-22-16, 22:09
I joined a short time ago. I have been talking to about 8 or so. Traded some pics and kind of felt out the "arrangement" side of things. What I have found is that most are wanting $$$ for a meeting. Some are straight to the point, others want to meet for coffee / drink etc first. I think a little leg work along with some patience will pay off. I'm not necessarily after the younger girls. The ones closest to my age seem the most receptive so far (35-45).Ok never pay for a m / g. Its like a job interview for both of you. If they ask for a certain amount of money and agree to skip the m / g they are pros or utr. The m / g is to get to know each other and see if there is an attraction / connection. If its there then discuss the arrangement and details so both know what is expected, like a contract. If they tell you that the m / g is not necessary your talking to a pro or utr. If that's what your looking for go for it but don't confuse a sb and sex worker. Two different birds LOL.
I always look at the other threads from the other cities, but they are not very relevant to our area. I love the 21-24 yr olds as they don't expect as much as the older SB's and they do whatever you tell them to! NCSU finals are over after this week so I am guessing the bowl will be picking up shortly!
This has been a jackpot for me. Two threesomes with an extraordinary NC State engineering student (best natural breasts I've ever seen, loves COF) and a very hot thin AA nursing student in the last two weeks. One trip to a swinger's club in LA with a very hot local ballerina. A threesome in Fayetteville late in the evening last week. A very hot club manager in Jacksonville. A yoga instructor in Jacksonville. Just one after the other.
Thank you for starting this thread!
I have heard or read about many success stories about SA! And now I would like to try and see for myself. I'm very curious as to whether guys actually use their real photos on there? Being a married guy with a career, using real pics may seem a little reckless. Also, do you have to upgrade to a premium account to be successful on this site? Some other sites require you to upgrade to even send messages and that's quite inconvenient. Thank you for any input!
DYoung,
I believe the trial will allow you 10 (ten) correspondences if you upload a primary photo to your profile. Without a primary photo you will not be able to use the messaging system. You can become a premium member and avoid the primary photo all together. I am married as well and uploaded a fairly creative pic that gets quite a bit of attention but doesn't reveal anything facial features.
Cheers: Thresh.
Thank you for starting this thread!
I have heard or read about many success stories about SA! And now I would like to try and see for myself. I'm very curious as to whether guys actually use their real photos on there? Being a married guy with a career, using real pics may seem a little reckless. Also, do you have to upgrade to a premium account to be successful on this site? Some other sites require you to upgrade to even send messages and that's quite inconvenient. Thank you for any input!
Thank you, Thresh!
DYoung,
I believe the trial will allow you 10 (ten) correspondences if you upload a primary photo to your profile. Without a primary photo you will not be able to use the messaging system. You can become a premium member and avoid the primary photo all together. I am married as well and uploaded a fairly creative pic that gets quite a bit of attention but doesn't reveal anything facial features.
Cheers: Thresh.
HookersHunter
05-04-16, 11:54
This has been a jackpot for me. Two threesomes with an extraordinary NC State engineering student (best natural breasts I've ever seen, loves COF) and a very hot thin AA nursing student in the last two weeks. One trip to a swinger's club in LA with a very hot local ballerina. A threesome in Fayetteville late in the evening last week. A very hot club manager in Jacksonville. A yoga instructor in Jacksonville. Just one after the other.Damn looks like you have been having a great time hooking with amazing chicks. What's your the damage on these adventure?
Whats your technique, Can you please help out a rookie with cliff notes or points who is just starting out?
Whats your technique, Can you please help out a rookie with cliff notes or points who is just starting out?Would also like to know the average donation per meet for the OP. However, you can get some fantastic info and pointers reading the Richmond thread from the beginning. It is a fascinating read well worth your time. I have also had impressive luck with the site and can attest that you can find girls pretty much into anything there.
So far could've banged about four pros I sniffed out and deleted. Always search backpage when they give a phone number. Had a few fine girls that wanted 300 350. I just didn't want to go through with it for that. It's been a lot of stuff to go thru. So far no luck but could've had some. Watch out for these pros. They are switching over after bust and now think they can get 200 250 etc.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f7160e8b-2ae9-6347-7ff5-400b7c731366 this little lady set up a meeting with me a week in advance. Confirmed it the morning of, told me what she would be wearing. I went to the spot to meet, waited 20 min and she no showed. Just a warning to anyone else that may be talking with her and setting up a meeting.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/43b1cc34-d18b-c7f3-329f-d43bf73ca4ce biggest natural boobs I have ever seen!
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f7160e8b-2ae9-6347-7ff5-400b7c731366 this little lady set up a meeting with me a week in advance. Confirmed it the morning of, told me what she would be wearing. I went to the spot to meet, waited 20 min and she no showed. Just a warning to anyone else that may be talking with her and setting up a meeting.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/43b1cc34-d18b-c7f3-329f-d43bf73ca4ce biggest natural boobs I have ever seen!I had a huge problem with the big boob one. I can't recall what it was exactly and she sent pictures (but they were not as big as you claim). Looking at our old messages it looks like she flaked out and wanted a high amount to begin with. 2 K a month. Can't find anything beyond that but I stopped chatting with her.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f7160e8b-2ae9-6347-7ff5-400b7c731366 this little lady set up a meeting with me a week in advance. Confirmed it the morning of, told me what she would be wearing. I went to the spot to meet, waited 20 min and she no showed. Just a warning to anyone else that may be talking with her and setting up a meeting.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/43b1cc34-d18b-c7f3-329f-d43bf73ca4ce biggest natural boobs I have ever seen!Yeah I'm calling BS on you. I found her emails and the girl does not have a large stack. She wants 500 for every meet. Not worth it. She's ok looking.
Yeah I'm calling BS on you. I found her emails and the girl does not have a large stack. She wants 500 for every meet. Not worth it. She's ok looking.32 F is not very big? I must be crazy then. But I didn't pay $500/ meet either.
32 F is not very big? I must be crazy then. But I didn't pay $500/ meet either.She showed me many pics so if that's a 32 F then I'm 9 inches. She also took off her profile the same day as your comment which is weird. Probably coincidence.
She showed me many pics so if that's a 32 F then I'm 9 inches. She also took off her profile the same day as your comment which is weird. Probably coincidence.Think what you want. Doesn't change the fact that she does have huge boobs and I bounced them all over the place, and had some fun with them. My guess on why her profile is down is because she got blown up by everyone on this forum and / or maybe someone saw her and knew who she was. Anyway. Anyone else out there have any goods on the girls in Raleigh?
1. I won't give out specific profiles. I worked them, not sharing my work. LOL.
2. I don't think there are a lot of pros on SA, in NC anyway. Miami / LA / NYC, yes.
3. NC is a about60-70% uneducated normal women, mostly young, who are hurting for rent money. Another 20 percent or so are college chicks and young female professionals exploring a wild side and getting paid for it. A small sliver are strippers / pros, etc.
4. Even the pros have an amateurish tint to it.
You got to sort through the chaffe to a cetain extent. I generally do $100 for a watch me jack off session. I do this to get them comfortable, to meet and greet and do something sexual the first time, and to ease into other stuff. I've now had threesomes / foursomes / fivesomes, you name it from SA. I've taken girls to sex clubs in LA and Miami.
For actual sex, I'd say most will do it for 300-400 and they are worth it compared to the BP and "the Hill" quality girls. Some want ridiculous amounts but can usually be talked down. The ones you can't "change" are the ones who literally want $500 just to have dinner. Just move on from that.
I'll answer more questions here.
John HandCock
05-23-16, 09:13
A true sb has one sd, not 3,5 or 10. She takes her profile down after her arrangement is a sealed deal.
Post the link, and a general description of these girls. If their profile is up they are still in business. Post what they ask and if pics seem to be recent if you actually meet, nothing graphic. This is like anything else, YMMV. Posting links give an air of credibility, remember if her profile is up she is open for business. Remember this is a business for most so don't forget this.
Read and learn, take what works for you and use, throw the rest away. There is no magic formula that works for everyone. The Richmond thread has good info but don't drink the kool-aid. There is 11,000 pages on the Richmond thread with probably less than 10 actual links to real sb's.
Remember this is not rocket science, don't make it more difficult than it is LOL.
So I've talked to and slept with many of them on the site. Here are the latest ones to watch out for or at least my experiences. I have verified almost all of these via various methods unless specifically stated.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/7e00e4e1-c094-214d-4a3c-ed628417503c
Seems to be looking for something serious. Not sure why she's on there.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/dbce3c1f-11fd-8908-078e-be7ab4ea8def
This one is claiming she is new to it all. I personally think she is full of it. She's just looking for the highest dollar. She is the one in those pictures as I traced her through to her real identity through info she provided.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cfa0f3a7-aea2-163a-adcd-2309a3752368
Wants 2 K a month, mostly all upfront. Not worth it for me. Especially since ones who claim they want it upfront tend to be the ones who run. She is legit in the sense those are her pics. She is full of it about wanting a mentor, she just wants money.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/8e610706-b160-4250-9889-808668f135b2
These two cracked me up. They will try to milk you for everything and wanted an absurd amount for them both. I want to say it was 400-600 each per time.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ce32dfea-0ce9-0db1-f537-a972393356b0
WATCH out for this one. I suspect there is something very shaddy with her. She provides her real name which links up all nice, but claims her car is broken (big flag) and wants you to go out to Dunn, NC to some trailer park. Sounds like a nice rob setup.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f11fb03d-29cb-bcbd-556c-7fd94bcb4274
Full of BS. Her pictures are certainly not what she looks like now. Those were pics about 30-40 lbs before. She's much thicker in the face now. Flakey.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/b8af1ca9-f89a-68fe-c6f0-5b83fca2bcbe
I do not trust this one one bit. However, I may be wrong and she may be real. I just have a weird feeling about her. I've not closed the deal on her because of it.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f64e736a-f7ba-721d-6335-1255e783910b
This one sounds like a scam based on my emails with her. Hasn't gone further.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/311e6ab8-19b8-7f7a-11a8-6292c3811fa6
This one has no car (aka red flag), wants you to go to her place off New Bern (another red flag). The pics are her, she has a nice body, but I suspect she is a pro.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/6c2e08d8-b458-4c6e-3347-1f66d1008de7
Full of shit. Will take you for dinners and try to get money out of you before anything. I do believe she plays a bit and she has HUGE tits. I mean huge. Belly has a lot of stretch marks. I don't get this one. I would contact but she is a flake. I would suspect you have to work fast with her to make it a reality. She likes gentlemen.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/29acef1c-5d1c-427e-b58c-06482e3d2a41
Another young one who is full of it. Lives far but claims connections to Raleigh. Whole drama story, don't believe a word she says. She is the one in the pics.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/beb7a9b2-aa29-7138-468f-7b2232b11c7d
Full of shit. She claims she never does it, goes into this whole dramatic thing of what her friends do and why she does it. She lies. She's looking for the biggest buck, but the girl is huge. (I usually suspect the big ones are easy, but she is far from that).
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/0682c265-267f-496a-a6cf-a390cdb921e0
Highly suspect this one is a pro based on how she changes locations. Has been in the RDU before. Only wants married dudes for some reason.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/422109b6-346f-c79b-2247-e3b1cefda65e
Full of it. Looking for the highest dollar very fast. Good luck.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f8d8fda1-f231-e59e-f954-a67bdbd1073e
Like the little asian one, claims she wants mentorship, but just wants a quick buck. 250-300 is her rate. Body is large.
Post was getting too long, so thought I would cut it off and start a new one. Also I'm only posting the ones I've had detailed conversations with and vetted (unless otherwise stated) and some of them I've slept with. Current ones I'm sleeping with I don't have listed. This is more of a buyer beware thing.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/0e7eca57-ed60-0938-d364-3180ad3acf88
This one smells like a pro to me. Or someone very desperate. She's reached out to me several times looking for a meet that night.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/44220e7f-4630-f7c7-f174-4c364d4d5c10
Full of BS. Not sure if its her in the pics. Never did the meet and greet. Suspect she may be real, but you have to move fast to keep her attention.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f47d3391-3162-7932-7391-225ab7e20aec
Total scammer. Makes a huge deal about being legit, provides pics to prove its her. However, once its time to meet, changes terms on you. Wants to charge to actually meet, wants more money, wants the whole allowance upfront. She's a total grab and run kinda girl. There are many like her. She just still has her profile up.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/aeeb83b1-2254-3785-13d6-6ea3bd96ba36
This one is a pro. She actually is an idiot and uses her number that she posts on other sites for. Her body is really hot, her face blah. She wants 500, then drops it to 300 but no kissing etc. Total pro. Waste of life.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/a2c70f50-fda4-ef90-ee6b-4a05dda4aca5
Not a pro, but the girl is full of BS. It's her, she is really hot. She just strings you along. Again, another one where if you offer the right amount and fast enough, she will jump on it. She just lives way too far away and is too quick to jump ship.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/5855fe4b-5223-4062-8b16-b8e5f800c6be
Watch out for this one. She does BB a lot. She admitted it to me, then took it back when I warned her that wasn't smart. She claimed the typical stuff most wannabe pros do that this is not often, she's safe, etc. She's a walking bag of stds. Also she demands 400-500.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/924a4f57-b50b-03f4-855e-e7d9662f7096
Full of BS. I found her real info, she's far away. She's pretty good looking, but I was never able to get her to commit to anything. Not sure what her deal is. Good luck if you get it.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/543c490b-432e-429e-a168-bcab30e49049
Wants too much, is ok looking, little thicker than I care for or the pictures show. She's nice though. No real bad things to say, just not worth it for me.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/8498ba88-07a7-282c-96d6-91facf1df22b
PRO. Absolute pro. She charges 300, doesn't kiss, doesn't care. Uses other dating sites that show her change in schedule and new towns.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cd1ff685-43c9-e81b-98e7-be74cdb1f3ff
HUGe girl who is big on fetlife. Looks a lot older than she is, usually bruised from her weird fetishes. I'm sure if you find her on fet, you can get away with free stuff. She wants 200-300 for stuff, but I don't care for the bratty type ones. I dropped it.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/534630f0-5138-611c-06a0-38002e0558f3
Legit, real pretty, big HUGE breasts. Just wants like 1800 a month, all upfront. Not sure if she is the runner type, but I don't care for that mentality.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e5ff7f27-bb44-bfc2-e3c3-ccfe0486e60a
Easy lay. I passed. Had zero desire to pick her up and bring her back. What am I, a freaking cab? But she's legit and cheap. Dirt cheap.
Mont,
I commend you on a well written and descriptive post. Most (if not all) of these girls have contacted me at some point. None of which could get pass my BS-Filter with the exception of MeltingPotQueen. She gets straight to the point and doesn't have the "woe-is-me" drama all those others tend to possess.
Cheers: Thresh.
GetControl
05-24-16, 00:16
This is why you're a Senior member. Awesome post! There were a couple that I bold-ed that made me :) until my stomach hurt.
I'm not on any SA sites. Don't think I have the bread to cover and the getting a login process. I'm just to lazy to do it.
Another note: Thresh, really enjoy this blog and Definitive BBBJ - 13846. Thank you for creating both!
Post was getting too long, so thought I would cut it off and start a new one. Also I'm only posting the ones I've had detailed conversations with and vetted (unless otherwise stated) and some of them I've slept with. Current ones I'm sleeping with I don't have listed. This is more of a buyer beware thing.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/0e7eca57-ed60-0938-d364-3180ad3acf88
This one smells like a pro to me. Or someone very desperate. She's reached out to me several times looking for a meet that night.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/44220e7f-4630-f7c7-f174-4c364d4d5c10
Full of BS. Not sure if its her in the pics. Never did the meet and greet. Suspect she may be real, but you have to move fast to keep her attention.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f47d3391-3162-7932-7391-225ab7e20aec
Total scammer. Makes a huge deal about being legit, provides pics to prove its her. However, once its time to meet, changes terms on you. Wants to charge to actually meet, wants more money, wants the whole allowance upfront. She's a total grab and run kinda girl. There are many like her. She just still has her profile up.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/aeeb83b1-2254-3785-13d6-6ea3bd96ba36
This one is a pro. She actually is an idiot and uses her number that she posts on other sites for. Her body is really hot, her face blah. She wants 500, then drops it to 300 but no kissing etc. Total pro. Waste of life. Me = :)!!
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/a2c70f50-fda4-ef90-ee6b-4a05dda4aca5
Not a pro, but the girl is full of BS. It's her, she is really hot. She just strings you along. Again, another one where if you offer the right amount and fast enough, she will jump on it. She just lives way too far away and is too quick to jump ship.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/5855fe4b-5223-4062-8b16-b8e5f800c6be
Watch out for this one. She does BB a lot. She admitted it to me, then took it back when I warned her that wasn't smart. She claimed the typical stuff most wannabe pros do that this is not often, she's safe, etc. She's a walking bag of stds. Also she demands 400-500.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/924a4f57-b50b-03f4-855e-e7d9662f7096
Full of BS. I found her real info, she's far away. She's pretty good looking, but I was never able to get her to commit to anything. Not sure what her deal is. Good luck if you get it.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/543c490b-432e-429e-a168-bcab30e49049
Wants too much, is ok looking, little thicker than I care for or the pictures show. She's nice though. No real bad things to say, just not worth it for me.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/8498ba88-07a7-282c-96d6-91facf1df22b
PRO. Absolute pro. She charges 300, doesn't kiss, doesn't care. Uses other dating sites that show her change in schedule and new towns.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cd1ff685-43c9-e81b-98e7-be74cdb1f3ff
HUGe girl who is big on fetlife. Looks a lot older than she is, usually bruised from her weird fetishes. I'm sure if you find her on fet, you can get away with free stuff. She wants 200-300 for stuff, but I don't care for the bratty type ones. I dropped it. Me = :)!! I don't know what FetLife but hilarious anyway.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/534630f0-5138-611c-06a0-38002e0558f3
Legit, real pretty, big HUGE breasts. Just wants like 1800 a month, all upfront. Not sure if she is the runner type, but I don't care for that mentality.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e5ff7f27-bb44-bfc2-e3c3-ccfe0486e60a
Easy lay. I passed. Had zero desire to pick her up and bring her back. What am I, a freaking cab? But she's legit and cheap. Dirt cheap. Me = :) :) :)!!
Out of all those listed below, I've seen ONE -- Seeking Fun in Dunn. It seemed a bit sketchy at first and she was willing to do uncovered but she is young and hot and for real. I did not do uncovered though.
Out of all those listed below, I've seen ONE -- Seeking Fun in Dunn. It seemed a bit sketchy at first and she was willing to do uncovered but she is young and hot and for real. I did not do uncovered though.Interesting. She really is hot.
She's real. A cups, thin. I looked for tracks but didn't see them. She seems coherent but does not have a car, and has a kid so you have to provide a place. I've not repeated, just too much better stuff on SA.
Do avoid "Sinica. " While she is freaky and will do anything, and hot, it is without enthusiasm and she admits to heroin and meth use.
It's amazing that the girls there run from that, to actual college grads with good jobs, houses, etc. Quite the gamut. Pretty easy to pick out the BP level talent and avoid it.
I've avoided most of the ones on the OP's list for various reasons (majority I haven't even bothered to contact), but can add to the conversation on the following:
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f64e736a-f7ba-721d-6335-1255e783910b
This one sounds like a scam based on my emails with her. Hasn't gone further.
I met with her when she was starting out last year. Wanted $$ at that time and wouldn't take my offer for $$. 5 weekly for long term arrangement. She is nice, real, and cute, but does not do PDA if you go out in public. I dropped it so idk whether reality has set in for her. Just a young girl / student that heard about the lifestyle and wanted to get the most out of it.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/311e6ab8-19b8-7f7a-11a8-6292c3811fa6
This one has no car (aka red flag), wants you to go to her place off New Bern (another red flag). The pics are her, she has a nice body, but I suspect she is a pro.
Concur she may be a pro, however she is actually smart (can talk about programming) and pleasant (but a smoker) so it may be the case she is a student starting on a bad path. She texted me one morning and had to meet RIGHT NOW (Chapel Hill) as her rent was due. Meeting at a coffee place I noted she had a nice body but she kept scratching her arms and legs. It may have been allergies or something else but it bothered me. She asked for a donation to meet (of course no) asked for me to get a hotel (no) then accepted going to her place. Asked for $$$ but accepted $$ Asked to see the money (weird, but she may have gotten burned in the past). I thought about it on the way and declined when we arrived and I just dropped her off. Did not want to follow up as she seemed off and I suspect may be into drug use.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/534630f0-5138-611c-06a0-38002e0558f3
Legit, real pretty, big HUGE breasts. Just wants like 1800 a month, all upfront. Not sure if she is the runner type, but I don't care for that mentality.
Concur she is real. She is a student trying out the lifestyle. Contacted and met with her when she opened the account. She is nice and smart, a bit thick but if you like curvy girls she is perfect for you. She did not ask for that amount from me or having it upfront (she may have since been burnt). I decided against her as my long term SB as I didn't feel the right connection. She would make any serious SD very happy as she is relaxed and pleasant to be around, and very sexual in private when she is into the moment.
This is a fantastic area for the SBSD lifestyle with a lot of real (non-pro) girls trying it out. If you approach them as if they are pros you likely will go nowhere with most of them. I hope others will post their own experiences so we can all learn who is worth pursuing and who is not.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/3d10a127-23e2-f6d0-172e-3dcc2da7b37b
Found her number under BP for massages. She is hot, but couldn't work our schedules out to meet.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/1b88ecdc-7d8b-5840-545d-e2302b16dceb
She has a friend with her. They come to raleigh and want you to pay for the hotel and $$$ and you can pick either one but not both. They stay in the room over the night. She seems to be a freak from the texts but I haven't had the pleasure yet.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e82a8e8b-6ada-fdb2-ddc8-5c8071f4b1b5
She is a sweet girl, with an oral fetish. .
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/06d72b09-e410-9411-de21-391d15bc450d
This one seems to be a pro, but I don't have any way of confirming that. She wanted $$$ but she is hot. She was in Jacksonville NC and now she is in Charleston SC.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cf7ce073-dd9d-ec69-c65c-bdda12e8024f
Anyone had luck with this one?
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/200629af-abe1-ca68-9150-c2110557ca69
$$. 5 for this one. She has a great body for her age and likes to fuck and has her own place.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/8a5c7de5-2f2a-5f5b-55cf-dd2418bc0fcb
This was my favorite before she left for Chicago. But I am no sub, so I can't speak to any of that, but I had a lot of fun with her.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/973b7823-0bfc-634f-1e57-3bb3273784ff
One of my first ones. She has a great body, but I don't think she is active on here any more.
She's real. A cups, thin. I looked for tracks but didn't see them. She seems coherent but does not have a car, and has a kid so you have to provide a place. I've not repeated, just too much better stuff on SA.
Do avoid "Sinica. " While she is freaky and will do anything, and hot, it is without enthusiasm and she admits to heroin and meth use.
It's amazing that the girls there run from that, to actual college grads with good jobs, houses, etc. Quite the gamut. Pretty easy to pick out the BP level talent and avoid it.Thanks for the information, but I tend to avoid anyone who has substantial on their profile.
Thanks for the information, but I tend to avoid anyone who has substantial on their profile.Don't. It's usually BS. She'd probably do BBFS for 1. Problem is she is meth head all the way. Hot though.
Forgot to post these. These are old, so I don't remember all the details and / or deleted all the texts / emails I had with them. The one thing I've learned and some of you guys have more experience, is that the non-black girls between the ages of 18-22 tend to be so full of it. They quickly lose interest or lose their nerve. Best to move fast in a non-threatening way to get them on board. With that said, I had a 19 year old I was with for a few months that was the complete opposite. Just my guess on why I lost so many prospects. The black girls in that age range tend to be more sincere and willing to do anything. Mid-20's to late 20's, they want casual dating. They don't mind being seen with you, they like the aspect of something more friendly and organic. 30's and above, well unless they are married, they have all approached me with serious dating. But I'm in that age range and have no attachments.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/9feb85cb-e1e4-92df-018e-e298c2fd4c5e
This one I mixed up with someone below (however the one I mixed her up with is still a BS'er). She is the one who wants money upfront, does not show up for events, charges for meet and greets. She's really good with her words and quite manipulative. I'll giver her that. If I had not already done a few, I would have easily fallen prey. Big warning.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/b89444a4-818e-c2f4-1c6e-f7ef8424d822
A famous one from BP. Always an issue with hygiene comments.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/dfd313ac-3df1-cbd7-7314-3f4056f22d3d
Infamous Cali. Looks like she's gone though.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/17f8fde9-a2a7-ca71-5dcc-f545174da902
Always on BP. Masseuse section.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/77d6927e-07df-8e40-b034-862dda27d774
Big girl, expects amount up front, actually was very nice and would be worth it with a young BBW, but something pushed me away. Maybe my cockiness. I don't blame her as she seemed very sincere.
I've got three going now. Hottie in Wilmington, 30, smokin' thin tanned body. Late 20's dark haired here, very hot, slightly big ass, loves group stuff, and two in Jax who play together.
THis place is a gold mine.
Now this is good stuff and the fun is just beginning for you. Sure, it requires a bit more effort than BP, but the rewards on the "backend" more than make up for it. With a declining pool of quality providers and service, it will be hard for me to return to standard mongering.
Additionally, I have found my "game" has picked up dramatically from my Sugar Bowl escapades. The charisma and processes used during meet-and-greets will actually transcend to picking up women at the mall, waiting room, and market.
Keep up the good word!: Thresh!
I've got three going now. Hottie in Wilmington, 30, smokin' thin tanned body. Late 20's dark haired here, very hot, slightly big ass, loves group stuff, and two in Jax who play together.
THis place is a gold mine.
PghGuy2005
05-29-16, 13:16
Another site like SA?
BTW how has your experience been on SD4 ME lately? I messaged a whole bunch of women and got just one response! SA has been much better.
PghGuy2005
05-29-16, 13:26
Thanks for the information, but I tend to avoid anyone who has substantial on their profile.Apparently most of them do not have a realistic understanding of life in the bowl so just ago go ahead and message who ever interests you the worst thing they can do is say no. With me some of them have said no and I did not hear from them again and some have countered with a lower amount though the latter have been in the minority.
Another site like SA?
BTW how has your experience been on SD4 ME lately? I messaged a whole bunch of women and got just one response! SA has been much better.I believe it's Whats Your Price.
PghGuy2005
05-30-16, 12:29
Thanks for the information, but I tend to avoid anyone who has substantial on their profile.https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/c21b690c-e59a-ac9e-2c63-52180bad9473
She wanted 4 Franklins in response to my initial message for an evening of everything.
Yes. I think I ended up giving her 1 for a lame handjob.
She's clearly a meth / heroin head. Will tell you as much. She's reasonably hot with saggy tits. There is far, far, fra better on sA. I'd be worried she would be setting you up for a sting as she will freely tell you she's been in jail, a lot.
Avoid. Seriously.
MrSmithwick
05-30-16, 21:44
Tried the SD sites and even though you might can find something good here and there, it's still a pain in the ass. The entitlement mentality is grotesque. It's common with these millenials. I went on a few dates and the SB's wanted their money right away and then they would contact me when they wanted more money. To be honest, F* that sh* I went back to my low key, UTR providers and it's not BS about it. I get to spend good quality time with them and there's no question of what the basis is. I Even get lots of OTC time, especially during the summer when I have the pool open at the house. If you have good luck with SA or similar sites, then hats off to you, I simply don't have the time to be screwing around and waiting on responses from girls who are trying to say they aren't hookers by being on SD sites, when in fact, they are hookers. Let's get real. No money, no date, No money, no sex. Just call the kettle black already.
I've avoided most of the ones on the OP's list for various reasons (majority I haven't even bothered to contact), but can add to the conversation on the following:
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f64e736a-f7ba-721d-6335-1255e783910b
This one sounds like a scam based on my emails with her. Hasn't gone further.
I met with her when she was starting out last year. Wanted $$ at that time and wouldn't take my offer for $$. 5 weekly for long term arrangement. She is nice, real, and cute, but does not do PDA if you go out in public. I dropped it so idk whether reality has set in for her. Just a young girl / student that heard about the lifestyle and wanted to get the most out of it.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/311e6ab8-19b8-7f7a-11a8-6292c3811fa6
This one has no car (aka red flag), wants you to go to her place off New Bern (another red flag). The pics are her, she has a nice body, but I suspect she is a pro.
Concur she may be a pro, however she is actually smart (can talk about programming) and pleasant (but a smoker) so it may be the case she is a student starting on a bad path. She texted me one morning and had to meet RIGHT NOW (Chapel Hill) as her rent was due. Meeting at a coffee place I noted she had a nice body but she kept scratching her arms and legs. It may have been allergies or something else but it bothered me. She asked for a donation to meet (of course no) asked for me to get a hotel (no) then accepted going to her place. Asked for $$$ but accepted $$ Asked to see the money (weird, but she may have gotten burned in the past). I thought about it on the way and declined when we arrived and I just dropped her off. Did not want to follow up as she seemed off and I suspect may be into drug use.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/534630f0-5138-611c-06a0-38002e0558f3
Legit, real pretty, big HUGE breasts. Just wants like 1800 a month, all upfront. Not sure if she is the runner type, but I don't care for that mentality.
Concur she is real. She is a student trying out the lifestyle. Contacted and met with her when she opened the account. She is nice and smart, a bit thick but if you like curvy girls she is perfect for you. She did not ask for that amount from me or having it upfront (she may have since been burnt). I decided against her as my long term SB as I didn't feel the right connection. She would make any serious SD very happy as she is relaxed and pleasant to be around, and very sexual in private when she is into the moment.
This is a fantastic area for the SBSD lifestyle with a lot of real (non-pro) girls trying it out. If you approach them as if they are pros you likely will go nowhere with most of them. I hope others will post their own experiences so we can all learn who is worth pursuing and who is not.
Tried the SD sites and even though you might can find something good here and there, it's still a pain in the ass. The entitlement mentality is grotesque. It's common with these millenials. I went on a few dates and the SB's wanted their money right away and then they would contact me when they wanted more money. To be honest, F* that sh* Sorry it didn't work out for you. I enjoy the chase aspect of it and the prospect of f*cking young, hot girls with goals in life for less $ than pros. However, I never pay for platonic meets and do make it clear that there's no pay without play in case one ever tries the 'I need to get comfortable with you first' routine. Good luck!
JustFunCoastal
06-10-16, 08:00
Sorry it didn't work out for you. I enjoy the chase aspect of it and the prospect of f*cking young, hot girls with goals in life for less $ than pros. However, I never pay for platonic meets and do make it clear that there's no pay without play in case one ever tries the 'I need to get comfortable with you first' routine. Good luck!Every time I have re-upped for a month, it is a gold mine! Definitely a bit more expensive but the quality is 10 fold. And eventually, with time, you can turn one into a $0 cost friend!
Every time I have re-upped for a month, it is a gold mine! Definitely a bit more expensive but the quality is 10 fold. And eventually, with time, you can turn one into a $0 cost friend!Totally agree and forgot to mention that there are girls on there that just want a normal guy to treat them nicely and will meet with you regularly without any sugar or the occasional gift if they feel a meaningful connection with you. I have found several such girls that are just tired of being with rude guys and aren't just about the money. Some can't morally justify the concept of 'pay for play', so they just drop the pay part and simply ask for a nice time and a good hard f*ck every so often as your schedule allows. A big thanks to all the crude guys out there that make my approach so successful! LOL.
This is actually part of my MO. During my 19 month tenure, I have architect-ed a plan where this is the goal. It has worked VERY well thus far. I tend to be that 'perfect' older guy. Although dominant (which most like), I make them smile, take them to nice dinners knowing all along they will get hooked. I make it very clear I have other SBs which tends to intrigue them even more. Having conversations where they can be themselves, let go, vent, and become emotional creates a lasting effect.
One thing about the "Sugar Bowl," it really hones one's game and takes it to an entirely different level. I find myself getting interest from hotter chicks just about anywhere. Compared to mongering, there are no risk and the 'sessions' are far more better. As you stated, I find it astonishing how many SDs on the site are total dick-heads, but that's great for "businessmen" like us. {smile}.
Keep up the good work!
Cheers! Thresh.
Totally agree and forgot to mention that there are girls on there that just want a normal guy to treat them nicely and will meet with you regularly without any sugar or the occasional gift if they feel a meaningful connection with you. I have found several such girls that are just tired of being with rude guys and aren't just about the money. Some can't morally justify the concept of 'pay for play', so they just drop the pay part and simply ask for a nice time and a good hard f*ck every so often as your schedule allows. A big thanks to all the crude guys out there that make my approach so successful! LOL.
I've known for a while the "little secret" to success in the Sugar Bowl. Treat a girl well, and she's yours. It's really just that simple. And the only reason I don't you guys sharing it is because most of the guys who get the advice STILL won't "get it". So still PLENTY of sweet babies to go around. LOL.
This is actually part of my MO. During my 19 month tenure, I have architect-ed a plan where this is the goal. It has worked VERY well thus far. I tend to be that 'perfect' older guy. Although dominant (which most like), I make them smile, take them to nice dinners knowing all along they will get hooked. I make it very clear I have other SBs which tends to intrigue them even more. Having conversations where they can be themselves, let go, vent, and become emotional creates a lasting effect.
One thing about the "Sugar Bowl," it really hones one's game and takes it to an entirely different level. I find myself getting interest from hotter chicks just about anywhere. Compared to mongering, there are no risk and the 'sessions' are far more better. As you stated, I find it astonishing how many SDs on the site are total dick-heads, but that's great for "businessmen" like us. {smile}.
Keep up the good work!
Cheers! Thresh.
That's basically the secret for the hot more normal girls. Act like a gentlemen. Be friendly and honest, and nice. Don't be a creeper.
I usually don't even start with a sex session. Maybe just a HJ or I'll jack off while they watch (a lot of women are into this) to take the edge off the situation.
In 18 months I've had threesomes, foursomes, trips, and really good fucking with maybe 15 women? All for far less than I'd spend on similar quality escorts. I mean, I ain't kidding, one girl on there, smart NCSU grad, had literally THE best tits I've ever seen, natural and huge and standing straight up. Last week after hanging out for a few weeks and just getting blown, I had serious fuck bang one hour sweaty sex with the HOTTEST (I like them with small asses) black chick I've ever met.
It just goes on and on.
PghGuy2005
06-20-16, 22:16
That's basically the secret for the hot more normal girls. Act like a gentlemen. Be friendly and honest, and nice. Don't be a creeper.
...So you guys are having a ball in the bowl! Are you guys single / unattached? To be able to take SBs out to dinner and other places. Hard to believe that being single and having the wisdom that comes with age makes it so easy to score with the babes!
Keep your stories coming we can at least live the good life vicariously!
So you guys are having a ball in the bowl! Are you guys single / unattached? To be able to take SBs out to dinner and other places. Hard to believe that being single and having the wisdom that comes with age makes it so easy to score with the babes!
Keep your stories coming we can at least live the good life vicariously!PghGuy,
The "Sugar Bowl" (in my view) is the only 'game' in town. I am married, and in a very unique situation. I have my own profile (separate), and my wife and I also have one combined. Before you ask "Yes!" I actually talked my wife into trying this out as well and she is hooked.
Cheers!; Thresh.
PghGuy2005
06-21-16, 15:20
PghGuy,
...Before you ask "Yes!" I actually talked my wife into trying this out as well and she is hooked.
Cheers!; Thresh.Have you had threesomes with the wife and SB?
PghGuy2005
06-21-16, 15:28
...One thing about the "Sugar Bowl," it really hones one's game and takes it to an entirely different level. I find myself getting interest from hotter chicks just about anywhere...Inquiring minds want to know what new techniques you learned that helped you score with women in the civilian world. Could you walk us through an actual conquest? Living vicariously through you Thresh!
John HandCock
06-21-16, 15:59
Not sure how a p2 p / arrangement elevates one play. Maybe in the negotiation part of it.
If your paying then its their job to make you feel like your the center of their world. Most are looking for nsa the same as we are, so you might be the center during your agreed time slot.
Usually you have to have game before you enter the bowl. If you couldn't score civy dating that's why most turn to p2 p. Having game before you enter the bowl is great help. Not sure how it helps after being in the bowl.
Unless the p2 p girls are giving a new found confidence, but remember that's part of what your paying for.
PghGuy,
Yes, several.
Have you had threesomes with the wife and SB?
So you guys are having a ball in the bowl! Are you guys single / unattached? To be able to take SBs out to dinner and other places. Hard to believe that being single and having the wisdom that comes with age makes it so easy to score with the babes!
Keep your stories coming we can at least live the good life vicariously!I can't speak for others but I, myself, am single. My reasons for diving into the sugar pool from time to time are varied and complex. Much as Thresh has pointed out, each SD is different, as are each POT. Researching the boards are helpful, but there's no substitute for actual experience. Just need to be aware of what works, and what doesn't, and learn from it so you can "Groundhog Day" your way to better successs.
Plus, the SB potential in this area is high, while the number of quality SDs seem low. (I specify "quality" because the fact is that the males on SA outnumber the girls in our area almost 10 to one. And most SB gals might get interest from 10-15 or more before actually meeting.) So above all, be a gentleman.
DirtyDeeds38
06-24-16, 14:43
You need to be aware of a few things about the bowl. Things I've stumbled upon in my experiences there. Number one, is some of these girls are jaded and will play a roll for you. Many are under the radar and will become vengeful if you cut them off, or do not send them money when they ask. I've had one girl attempt to blackmail me and all we did was meet for dinner. I set her straight quick, as I always save all communications and often record my encounters with them an audio to protect myself. The girl I saw, we had dinner and one drink and talked. She seemed nice. No sex, no nothing! Later the next day she demanded I send her a Western union payment and I immediately told her I don't do that. She kept on and offered all sorts of things via text. I declined, and did not wish to engage with her. Then she sends me a text, "if you don't send me $300 within two hours, everyone will find out what we did and what happened. " I let her know I was going to the police myself if she said another word. I sent her screen shots of all her texts and said, "one more word and I will call the police. " Never heard from her again.
The second piece of advise, is ALWAYS make them show you government issued I'd. If a girl lies about being 18, you're still on the hook for sexual assault if she is underage. However, in NC, the age of consent is actually 16, but none of us should be playing with any girl under 18. I find that disgusting, even if it's legal. I actually prefer mid- twenties, as by then, they usually have been around a while and you don't feel like you are taking advantage of them. Some of you might be into that, but it's wrong. If she doesn't have I'd, don't do anything with her. Just leave. I met a girl once for fifteen minutes, she said she was 19. She looked 19, or older to me, but she didn't have ID. We sat and talked and I told her that was it until she got her ID. She never did, so I wondered. Some girls can be 15 or 16 and look 20-25. It happens and her lying is not a defense in a criminal proceeding. You'd be fucked for life.
Also, meet in public the first time, always. No matter if they are willing to jump right into sex. You have to judge and gauge their character. And it makes for a better experience anyhow. Remember all women can be crazy, but many of these girls are really pre-dispositioned to being crazy or they wouldn't be in the bowl in the first place.
Speaking for myself, I do have a SO. Because of my job I am able to meet daytimes for coffee, lunch, or private fun. Regardless of whether the meet is at a FC or platonic lunch date (no sugar), just the fact of spending time with these hot young girls keeps me happy, energized, and loving life. No lie: As I type this I've had one 21 year old girl I met at the FC yesterday text me saying what a great time she had, and another 18 year old hardbodied student athlete text me asking why we didn't meet this week and if I'm losing interest LOL. I just don't have the time!
You need to be aware of a few things about the bowl. Things I've stumbled upon in my experiences there. Number one, is some of these girls are jaded and will play a roll for you. Many are under the radar and will become vengeful if you cut them off, or do not send them money when they ask.
Also, meet in public the first time, always. No matter if they are willing to jump right into sex. You have to judge and gauge their character. And it makes for a better experience anyhow. Remember all women can be crazy, but many of these girls are really pre-dispositioned to being crazy or they wouldn't be in the bowl in the first place.Thank God I've never come across an obvious mental case, but NONE of my SB's have ever known my real name (nor to be honest do I think they care). Each one has been disappointed when the relationship ended, but it never got past expressing disappointment via text to my Google Voice number. Always be careful, because you never know!
Meeting in public for the first time is mandatory, not only for safety but to really get to know the other person in a non-stressful environment. Any girls that suggest a first meet at a FC are immediately disqualified. Not judging others that go forward with that, it's just a preference. I do like to know someone a bit before moving forward.
Plus, the SB potential in this area is high, while the number of quality SDs seem low. (I specify "quality" because the fact is that the males on SA outnumber the girls in our area almost 10 to one. And most SB gals might get interest from 10-15 or more before actually meeting.) So above all, be a gentleman.Donatello: How do you know the numbers. Are these active accounts? I've always assumed there is competition, but never knew how many.
PghGuy2005
06-24-16, 16:13
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The second piece of advise, is ALWAYS make them show you government issued I'd..I will have no problem walking away from younger SBs if they refuse or ask for mine but with the older ones who at least with me have behaved properly like adults I may be uncomfortable giving the impression that I'm invading their privacy. BTW what is the point of this exercise? Simply to ascertain that the SB is of legal age?
DirtyDeeds38
06-24-16, 16:59
I will have no problem walking away from younger SBs if they refuse or ask for mine but with the older ones who at least with me have behaved properly like adults I may be uncomfortable giving the impression that I'm invading their privacy. BTW what is the point of this exercise? Simply to ascertain that the SB is of legal age?I think my post explains itself. Many girls appear older than they are. If you don't cover your ass, you run the risk. I always ask for ID, unless they appear clearly thirty or older to me, I'm not going anywhere with them. I do agree on the mature thing. I prefer women with a little experience under the belt in the real world. But if we are talking a woman with three kids and our age, what's the point of sugar dating? We can all do that anytime. The post was just a reminder to be careful. Many get caught up in this sugar dating and forget the potential ramifications. A girl lying about her age is not a defense. Don't believe me, use google and research for yourself.
DirtyDeeds38
06-24-16, 17:36
On a different note, do not offer payment for meet and greets. There are lots of women who have no intentions of following through and entering into a relationship with anyone. They want to meet you, have dinner and expect to get a payment and then you never hear from them again. Unless they think they can squeeze a few more dates like that from you. I usually tell the women, I'll go out for dinner and drinks all you want and pay for that, but no allowance until we enter into a relationship. It weeds out the fakes quickly. I am perfectly capable of finding women to wine and dine anytime I want. I don't need to hand her $300 for a dinner date.
Also, do not allow these women to become emotionally dependent on you. It's easy to do. I've had it happen myself and been emotionally involved with more than one. I fall for women easily. You have to keep it real and what it is and isn't. The relationship, will ultimately come to an end and unless you want a psycho girl after you, keep it in check with her. If you start getting mutual feelings, back off. If you do not, you will regret it.
On a different note, do not offer payment for meet and greets. There are lots of women who have no intentions of following through and entering into a relationship with anyone. They want to meet you, have dinner and expect to get a payment and then you never hear from them again. Unless they think they can squeeze a few more dates like that from you. I usually tell the women, I'll go out for dinner and drinks all you want and pay for that, but no allowance until we enter into a relationship. It weeds out the fakes quickly. I am perfectly capable of finding women to wine and dine anytime I want. I don't need to hand her $300 for a dinner date.
Also, do not allow these women to become emotionally dependent on you. It's easy to do. I've had it happen myself and been emotionally involved with more than one. I fall for women easily. You have to keep it real and what it is and isn't. The relationship, will ultimately come to an end and unless you want a psycho girl after you, keep it in check with her. If you start getting mutual feelings, back off. If you do not, you will regret it.Yeah great advice. I ended up getting hooked on the last one and decided to give it all up afterwards. I've also had pretty much every single other one hooked on me and when I told them the arrangement was done, every single one without an exception told me they didn't care and wished to continue to see me. Most did. Dangerous world man. I'm done with the bowl though.
Donatello: How do you know the numbers. Are these active accounts? I've always assumed there is competition, but never knew how many.One of my recent SB flings logged in through her account and showed me her inbox, and the kind of messages she was getting on a daily basis. It was eye-opening, and very consistent with things I'd heard from other girls I'd met from the sight.
Yeah great advice. I ended up getting hooked on the last one and decided to give it all up afterwards. I've also had pretty much every single other one hooked on me and when I told them the arrangement was done, every single one without an exception told me they didn't care and wished to continue to see me. Most did. Dangerous world man. I'm done with the bowl though.Yeah. It happens sometimes. I generally do a pretty dolid job of keeping my emotions in check, but the heart sometimes takes over. I was lucky I didn't start falling for a fruitloop psycho *****. But rather a very sweet practical girl who kept everything grounded. All experiences provide something to learn from.
FarFarAway
06-25-16, 00:12
Speaking for myself, I do have a SO. Because of my job I am able to meet daytimes for coffee, lunch, or private fun. Regardless of whether the meet is at a FC or platonic lunch date (no sugar), just the fact of spending time with these hot young girls keeps me happy, energized, and loving life. No lie: As I type this I've had one 21 year old girl I met at the FC yesterday text me saying what a great time she had, and another 18 year old hardbodied student athlete text me asking why we didn't meet this week and if I'm losing interest LOL. I just don't have the time!
Thank God I've never come across an obvious mental case, but NONE of my SB's have ever known my real name (nor to be honest do I think they care). Each one has been disappointed when the relationship ended, but it never got past expressing disappointment via text to my Google Voice number. Always be careful, because you never know!
Meeting in public for the first time is mandatory, not only for safety but to really get to know the other person in a non-stressful environment. Any girls that suggest a first meet at a FC are immediately disqualified. Not judging others that go forward with that, it's just a preference. I do like to know someone a bit before moving forward.Exactly how far afield do you go to assure that neither your SO nor someone who knows your SO sees you with the POT at the M&G? I have done a grand total of 1 and it was a couple of towns over (in California that's a lot of people).
Seeking fun in Dunn and Tristan will do a 3 some. It was great. Seeking fun has a tight body and not tits but has oral skills. Trisatan is nerdy with an amazing body and not orally inclined. I stacked them up and banged both. It was awesome.
My MO may be a bit different. I am enticed by the younger girls, however my thoughts go to being seen in public. I have been sticking to the ones that are closer in age to be. That way if I do run into someone I know, it looks more like I am with a friend from high school or college verses out with one of my daughter's friends. I have had two meetings. One was really my type but she has some other stuff going on and says that I am out of her league. Flattering for sure. The second, has the best personality and was really just looking for some fun with out a lot of financial requirements. We are supposed to meet and have some fun in the coming weeks.
A lot of these girls are just way to stuck on themselves and I am sure they are great in the sack, just not what I am looking for.
I have talked with Tristan and she is a bit far, but I am still sucked in by that kind of nerdy look. I would love to know more details about her if possible. PM or post is fine.
Exactly how far afield do you go to assure that neither your SO nor someone who knows your SO sees you with the POT at the M&G? I have done a grand total of 1 and it was a couple of towns over (in California that's a lot of people).This isn't a spy novel. There honestly are so many discrete coffee places to meet within 15-20 minutes of my location (by highway) that I simply pick one at a time of day that nobody drinks coffee and am good to go. Of course pick a private table or area where it is tough for others to see / hear you.
PghGuy2005
06-27-16, 20:46
...Because of my job I am able to meet daytimes for coffee, lunch, or private fun. Regardless of whether the meet is at a FC or platonic lunch date (no sugar), just the fact of spending time with these hot young girls keeps me happy, energized, and loving life. No lie: As I type this I've had one 21 year old girl I met at the FC yesterday text me saying what a great time she had, and another 18 year old hardbodied student athlete text me asking why we didn't meet this week and if I'm losing interest LOL. I just don't have the time!
Thank God I've never come across an obvious mental case, but NONE of my SB's have ever known my real name (nor to be honest do I think they care). Each one has been disappointed when the relationship ended, but it never got past expressing disappointment via text to my Google Voice number. Always be careful, because you never know!
Meeting in public for the first time is mandatory, not only for safety but to really get to know the other person in a non-stressful environment. Any girls that suggest a first meet at a FC are immediately disqualified. Not judging others that go forward with that, it's just a preference. I do like to know someone a bit before moving forward.I have the constraint of being able to play only during the day as I am alone only when at work! And I state the requirement of day time availability only up front. Do you indicate your availability in the first message to POTs? I have gotten very few responses from SBs of any age / race and the ones who responded each one suggested the first meeting in FC and along with their expectation $ and the ones who do not give their expectation $ in their response readily do once I ask them. So it is basically mongering except off a different site!
Your experience is very different from mine may be the reason is once I indicate day time meeting only all SBs assume that I am interested only in FC as a result only the escorts respond!
I can't for the life of me figure out what POT and FC mean. Help!
I can't for the life of me figure out what POT and FC mean. Help!BCG. Booty call girl.
Bowl. Short for "Sugar Bowl".
FC. Fuck Chamber.
GPS. Golden Pussy Syndrome.
HCB -. Hot College Babe.
HYB. Hot young babe.
M&G. Meet and greet.
Nando 1 - lowest level girl with a lot of drama.
POT. A potential SB.
SA - seekingarrangement.com.
SD4 M - sugardaddyforme.com.
SO. Significant other.
UTR. Under the radar (a pro on the down low).
Cheers: Thresh.
I have the constraint of being able to play only during the day as I am alone only when at work! And I state the requirement of day time availability only up front. Do you indicate your availability in the first message to POTs? I have gotten very few responses from SBs of any age / race and the ones who responded each one suggested the first meeting in FC and along with their expectation $ and the ones who do not give their expectation $ in their response readily do once I ask them. So it is basically mongering except off a different site!
Your experience is very different from mine may be the reason is once I indicate day time meeting only all SBs assume that I am interested only in FC as a result only the escorts respond!Like you, I am available daytimes, but have rarely had a problem meeting because of that. Only in the case of fully employed women that work M-F 9-5 (which isn't the traditional SB). I find out their availability when proposing an initial daytime meet for lunch or coffee, and discuss my time limitations during that meet. Because of this I can only imagine whatever problem you are having is due to some other factor, and not your daytime availability. Keep at it!
Emeralddragon6
06-29-16, 08:13
Hi all. I am dropping the BP game and looking to get into the SD area. I was curious which site would be best to start with. I have looked at wyp, sd4 me and sa but not sure which would be legit and best to drop the cash to.
John HandCock
06-29-16, 08:54
Hi all. I am dropping the BP game and looking to get into the SD area. I was curious which site would be best to start with. I have looked at wyp, sd4 me and sa but not sure which would be legit and best to drop the cash to.SA hands down. If you decide on SD4 ME use prepaid card as the auto renew till your dead LOL.
If you want to meet 2 really sweet girls that just like to have a good time. Ask them both to come to Raleigh and they will. They will come to Raleigh as a pair!
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f5f77f7f-6c3c-cbde-a358-fe12d6fc8ce7
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/3ecda6e3-f39a-549e-cb1a-fcceaef5d3e0
Seeking fun in Dunn and Tristan will do a 3 some. It was great. Seeking fun has a tight body and not tits but has oral skills. Trisatan is nerdy with an amazing body and not orally inclined. I stacked them up and banged both. It was awesome.This is a long time coming, and probably should have looked into this at least a year ago. Is the Dunn girl 20? If so, I've talked to her and she is next on my list. What I've learned about SD sites from these posts makes me think CL ca 2007, back when you could find normal college girls for $100 all day long. If that's the case, they can go ahead and shut BP down tomorrow for all I care.
Agree 100%.
CL was great back in the day. In the Sugar Bowl it's hard to find the 100 set unless they are just nymphos or UTR newbies. Around here 2 is more likely. Just watch out for the GPS gals. They have to be "broken" since they are always looking for the "white whale" guys. Best of luck!
This is a long time coming, and probably should have looked into this at least a year ago. Is the Dunn girl 20? If so, I've talked to her and she is next on my list. What I've learned about SD sites from these posts makes me think CL ca 2007, back when you could find normal college girls for $100 all day long. If that's the case, they can go ahead and shut BP down tomorrow for all I care.
PghGuy2005
07-05-16, 18:44
I find out their availability when proposing an initial daytime meet for lunch or coffee, and discuss my time limitations during that meet. Because of this I can only imagine whatever problem you are having is due to some other factor, and not your daytime availability. Keep at it!It appears you do not mention your availability in the first message unlike me who asks about their availability during the day in the first message! Alright hence forth there will be no mention of my availability until the M&G. BTW I am not in one of the major racial groups and if most SBs do not date outside their race then I have a very small bowl to play in!
BTW I am not in one of the major racial groups and if most SBs do not date outside their race then I have a very small bowl to play in!For what it's worth, I haven't found many POTs that restrict their options by race. In fact most of my best encounters have been outside my own race. A veritable melting pot. I guess that makes me a True American!
If you want to meet 2 really sweet girls that just like to have a good time. Ask them both to come to Raleigh and they will. They will come to Raleigh as a pair!
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f5f77f7f-6c3c-cbde-a358-fe12d6fc8ce7
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/3ecda6e3-f39a-549e-cb1a-fcceaef5d3e0How much did it cost you for each?
GetControl
07-11-16, 13:46
SA has been recommended a few times, as a place to find UTR girls, and I just wanted to confirm that it does work well.
I signed up for one month (not particularly cheap, at $69), did a few searches, contacted several girls, I was even approached by a few, and I'm happy to reply that I'm satisfied enough to recommend this approach.
You will need to be careful and weed out some troublemakers (a couple of them started right away with excuses like needing to pay the car before they take it away, etc), but with some patience you will be able to find whatever floats your boat: young college coeds, middle age MILFs, etc. Personally, I found a great woman in her 40's, married and playing on the side. I just bring her something nice, rather than cash, when we meet.
Another observation: the younger ones are more likely to be in it for the money, middle aged for the thrills after missing something at home.
Good luck!Making sure these tips got into this thread.
Robert1744
07-17-16, 09:51
I alluded to my experience on SA a few months ago in another thread, but now that we have a thread for this stuff I wanted to chime in here.
I've had a couple of great, holy grail type of experiences, a lot of time and effort and some lessons learned. So the results have been mixed.
The holy grails were two different encounters with 19 year olds that I would have never landed or had a chance at otherwise. At the age of 47, to get a GFE from a 19 year old is amazing. The pussy is still tight. And I was able to get it for about $150 a pop, plus a couple of lunch dates.
But it did take a good deal of time and effort to find what I was seeking. The reason SA appealed to me is that I really, really need the GFE to enjoy it and get off. I don't care that it's not real, or they may be faking it, I at least need the illusion. And that is rare to find in the escort world. But it is all over SA and similar sites. There are a good number of girls who are basically escorts and you can weed them out right away because they go straight to the money. The other difficulty is finding girls who aren't flakes and can communicate. Granted, some of that is their age and station in life, but when every other word is "like," and you can't converse about anything beyond current pop culture, it's hard to make the connection.
I got scammed once. I took this girl out 2-3 times and liked her a lot. We agreed on an allowance and as soon as I paid the first time she ghosted me and I never heard from her again. In hindsight, I screwed up by not totally locking down her I'd. None of her story quite added up and I just let me little head think too much. If these girls are legit and want to date you, they will totally let you know who they are.
The other big lesson learned is that these girls do develop some level of legitimate feelings and affection for you. I "broke up" with one of the girls because the sex was a little mechanical and not a GFE. She told me that she was getting there but it takes awhile, and then she chastised me for just wanting her for one thing. In a way she has a point. Yes, we're all there for one thing, but if we're going to have a more personal connection, then we can also do things with our clothes on. So I learned a lesson in 20-something emotional management.
I am semi-retired right now, but plan on getting back in the game soon. There's too much benefit not to.
Does anyone have information about, or experience with, Free Spirit Gal?
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/d38631cb-929d-41f9-9791-92f2039c7540
She was one of my first meet and greets. She is pretty, older than her listing states. We seemed to have good communication but then she backed off (cold feet? When I asked to meet her again. But she is nice. I tried a couple more times, but no response.
Does anyone have information about, or experience with, Free Spirit Gal?
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/d38631cb-929d-41f9-9791-92f2039c7540
She was one of my first meet and greets. She is pretty, older than her listing states. We seemed to have good communication but then she backed off (cold feet? When I asked to meet her again. But she is nice. I tried a couple more times, but no response.Ecuguy, you have a PM. How long ago was your meet / greet?
Brneyehound
07-19-16, 20:41
DYoung,
I believe the trial will allow you 10 (ten) correspondences if you upload a primary photo to your profile. Without a primary photo you will not be able to use the messaging system. You can become a premium member and avoid the primary photo all together. I am married as well and uploaded a fairly creative pic that gets quite a bit of attention but doesn't reveal anything facial features.
Cheers: Thresh.Thresh could you elaborate a little more on your pic? Not trying to get you to send it to me but this is my biggest concern with the SD scene. I cannot afford to get caught up.
John HandCock
07-19-16, 21:41
Thresh could you elaborate a little more on your pic? Not trying to get you to send it to me but this is my biggest concern with the SD scene. I cannot afford to get caught up.If your joining you don't need a pic, just make a good profile as to what your expecting or looking for in detail. . Saves alot of worry for you guys that can't afford to get caught up.
Thresh could you elaborate a little more on your pic? Not trying to get you to send it to me but this is my biggest concern with the SD scene. I cannot afford to get caught up.Just pay to join, which won't require you to post a pic to message girls. I have pictures that semi clearly show my face set to private, which only SB's you select get to see. You'll find that many girls won't even agree to meet you unless they can see some pictures first (just as we wouldn't). Don't get hung up on the pictures though, a well written profile and decent messaging skills are much more important to getting the girls interested in my opinion. Good luck!
How much did it cost you for each?The one in stripes will visit for 5.
And requires a lot of time, however, every once in a while you hit a grand slam. I found a bareback full service cum in pussy with a cute woman that hosts in her apartment in Raleigh for $ $ $. I'll be glad to share with certain senior members. Maybe, haha. Depending on what kind of info you've helped me out with in the past or you're currently willing to share. Everyone on here is holding back on something.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/2c2b704f-5715-4d2d-98af-7a348c8b5e3a
She's been discussed in detail on the b / p thread. Alana, Val, Valencia and I forget the other names she's used. I saw her a few years ago and wrote a review on the backpage thread but figured I try contacting thru Sa to see if anything would be different and I promised myself I would not bareback her. $ $ was agreed. We meet and she recognized me. So much for not barebacking her. I'm so weak. She loves to get fucked in the ass too. And no, she's 100% woman. I don't care what others have reported. Good news is I've been tested and I'm still clean. I'm not doing BBFS anymore. Well maybe on certain special occasions when it feels right, haha.
JustFunCoastal
07-23-16, 07:53
IF you put in the time and effort. There are so many beautiful women to choose from on SA and most are in the 20-30 yr range. I will caution all forum readers that it is a more costly way to approach this world but the quality is far superior. I've actually met some really cool chicks on there as well and have maintained friendships with many. So if you're inclined to spend the time and can part with a larger wallet share, then I would say go for it! It's about all I use these days.
Triptogamont
08-04-16, 23:58
Just curious. Thinking about joining this scene and doing some research. Do you usually get a hotel? Back to her place? I'm not interested in bringing an SB home.
I use hotels exclusively. Nothing overly fancy and I always pay in cash. There are times (once they are comfortable with me) where I will go to their place. This can be a beneficial as well since most usually have roommates who are intrigued by what's going on.
Cheers: Thresh.
Just curious. Thinking about joining this scene and doing some research. Do you usually get a hotel? Back to her place? I'm not interested in bringing an SB home.
Just curious. Thinking about joining this scene and doing some research. Do you usually get a hotel? Back to her place? I'm not interested in bringing an SB home.For various reasons, IMO you should never bring a SB to your place until you are well into the relationship and trust has been built. I use hotels (use points to pay or use cc with online pay that SO doesn't know about) or preferably just go to their place. Always be safe!
I'm testing the waters in the Sugar Bowl, have had pretty early success and now I'm wondering if there are others who have seen a similar pattern in an SB. Cute, white, seems to have her shit together. No discussion of specific amounts at first, but now looking for financial help with some specific procedures. If you had something similar happen, PM me and lets compare notes.
Welcome to the Bowl. Your experience is quite common, though better than most. Typically you'll find some of the young ladies in our area falling into 4 categories. First are the straight up UTR girls, who quote a price up front and are clear that they work in volume. Next are the GPS girls, who want to commit to one SD but romanticize about finding their "white whale. " After that come the girls like you describe, seemingly sweet and sincere at first, but eventually become demanding and needy wanting large payouts before establishing anything sustainable. The last group are the "unsure what they want" type, who are sometimes looking for change of pace and experiences. For me, these are the most rare and most rewarding. Often they are cool girls who are just fun to hang with, that also become strong contenders for FWB kind of friends, while only needing essentials. Read this board and also the SugarBaby board in Richmond, and you'll get a bunch of valuable insight. Much like the young babies we chase, we are also required to do some homework to succeed! LOL.
Best of luck to you, and please share your experiences here if you have anything you feel is helpful.
I'm testing the waters in the Sugar Bowl, have had pretty early success and now I'm wondering if there are others who have seen a similar pattern in an SB. Cute, white, seems to have her shit together. No discussion of specific amounts at first, but now looking for financial help with some specific procedures. If you had something similar happen, PM me and lets compare notes.
Anyone else having trouble with the site? I am getting no traffic and I think it is from my profile not getting switched correctly from invisible to visible. I set up another account to see if I could find me profile and nothing. If anyone else had this problem, were you able to get it fixed?
Triptogamont
09-03-16, 22:02
OK, I'm pissed at the quality of BP these days. I'm finally getting into the Sugar Bowl via SA. Many many thanks to those posting here.
So I have a stupid question. What the fuck is up with these girls marking me as one of their favorites when they live in Butt Fuck Egypt? Did I say I was originally from Butt Fuck Egypt? Did I say I was planning to visit Butt Fuck Egypt?
OK, I'm pissed at the quality of BP these days. I'm finally getting into the Sugar Bowl via SA. Many many thanks to those posting here.
So I have a stupid question. What the fuck is up with these girls marking me as one of their favorites when they live in Butt Fuck Egypt? Did I say I was originally from Butt Fuck Egypt? Did I say I was planning to visit Butt Fuck Egypt?Welcome to the Bowl. Those are most likely either scams or pros (not true SB's), so you can just delete them. Even if they are real SB's you simply ignore them and not waste time as there are most likely plenty of others closer to your location. Good luck.
Trip,
From my experience, there are several reasons why they favorite you. 1) Because they are showing interest in you, but not willing to initiate contact (this happens with locals as well). 2) If they ever visit from the Philippines or Australia, they found someone they can reach out to when in your area. 3) They are marking you (as Yaya stated) for spamming at a later date.
Over the years, I have arbitrarily asked why was I "favorited" (an SA created verb) when I am half way across the planet. Most answers were, "because I liked your profile. ".
Cheers: Thresh.
OK, I'm pissed at the quality of BP these days. I'm finally getting into the Sugar Bowl via SA. Many many thanks to those posting here.
So I have a stupid question. What the fuck is up with these girls marking me as one of their favorites when they live in Butt Fuck Egypt? Did I say I was originally from Butt Fuck Egypt? Did I say I was planning to visit Butt Fuck Egypt?
Seeking fun in Dunn and Tristan will do a 3 some. It was great. Seeking fun has a tight body and not tits but has oral skills. Trisatan is nerdy with an amazing body and not orally inclined. I stacked them up and banged both. It was awesome.So have been messaging back and forth with this one and was setting something up within the next two days until she sent me her address and I looked it up on google maps. It is in BFE at the end of a road. I drive a fairly nice car and even if it's safe there (as she has assured). Just the thought of me being spotted driving down that street in my car would be awkward enough.
Any of the SD's who have seen her care to share if there was any issue with you driving down that street and / or parking your car there?
Thanks Thresh for starting this! I have been a long-time lurker on both the Raleigh BP and the Richmond Sugarbowl threads and finally glad to see someone create a SB thread for the 919. I've been off and on SA for the past few years and have had pretty good success both locally and quite a bit on the road too! (I'm a traveling sales exec. Hehe) SA has been my secret addiction with the occasional mongering but as some have stated. The BP quality has taken a nose dive. Plus, by the time you vett out the BP girls, you've practically spent just as much time as you would have on a POT.
Looking forward to contributing to this thread as I've picked up some tricks and lessons along the way and happy to share my experiences. BTW. Denver by far has the highest concentration of SB's I've ever seen. And they are all smoking hot.
PghGuy2005
09-23-16, 19:33
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/721b7edb-1204-8a23-f4c7-640159ce4f83
Profile name: Spoiled1681.
I think I've seen some of her pictures on BP.
MedJohnson
09-24-16, 08:10
Anyone been asked to provide an apartment for a SB? I have and I'm looking for the safest option. Don't want to get caught up in anything with my name on lease and not be there but a few hours a week for fun. Maybe I lease and sub-let to SB but never get rent $ from her. Contract language removing me from liability?
I figure if it doesn't work out, I can always sublet it and cut my losses or use it for next SB.
Any help is appreciated.
Stay safe. Med.
Anyone been asked to provide an apartment for a SB? I have and I'm looking for the safest option. Don't want to get caught up in anything with my name on lease and not be there but a few hours a week for fun. Maybe I lease and sub-let to SB but never get rent $ from her. Contract language removing me from liability?
I figure if it doesn't work out, I can always sublet it and cut my losses or use it for next SB.
Any help is appreciated.
Stay safe. Med.MedJohnson,
I have been down this road and will state adamantly and unequivocally that this can cause an enormous amount of issues. I won't delve into breaking the cardinal rule of keeping your personal life separate from the Sugar Bowl, which in itself is an entirely different (toxic) topic on its own. However, I will NOT sign my name to any legal document! I suggest you give this serious consideration before committing to such a huge financial and potentially liable engagement. The volatility found with a good percentage of SBs out there just doesn't lead to a sustainable "relationships" that can persist for six months or a year.
I understand your goals here as I have also been faced with this decision myself. My recommendation is to be the 'financial' backer, without any legal obligations. This accomplishes several things; obviously you are removed from the financial obligation, but it also grants a great amount of leverage with keeping your SB(s) in line. You have the ability to walk away without facing additional consequences at anytime.
Cheers: Thresh.
Anyone been asked to provide an apartment for a SB? I have and I'm looking for the safest option. Don't want to get caught up in anything with my name on lease and not be there but a few hours a week for fun. Am 100% in agreement with Thresh on this. It's a REALLY bad idea. If she wants you to cover rent, then make the arrangement so that you cover her rent in cash with HER name on the lease. When things stop working out, you just walk away.
StormyTuesday
09-30-16, 22:31
So have been messaging back and forth with this one and was setting something up within the next two days until she sent me her address and I looked it up on google maps. It is in BFE at the end of a road. I drive a fairly nice car and even if it's safe there (as she has assured). Just the thought of me being spotted driving down that street in my car would be awkward enough.
Any of the SD's who have seen her care to share if there was any issue with you driving down that street and / or parking your car there?Glad you asked. I went down that particular road about 2 months ago. I actually was on my Harley that day. Tristan met me at the end of the road in front of a small house which evidently also had Tristan's apt. There was another apartment building to the right about 100 feet away with a couple of guys milling around. Tristan at first tried to hit me up for cash before the FC so she could "pay the rent. " I have played with BP girls prior to the past year on SA and I did not like the vibe. I cranked the bike back up and rode on out of there.
Now that being said I was a bit envious of the threesome with Seeking Dunn and Tristan although I checked out Seeking Dunn last year on both FB and her arrest record, she is a bit of a risk. Just sayin'.
Do not put your name on the lease. Ever.
Righton1960
10-14-16, 09:20
Any thought on anonymous methods for getting a subscription to SA? Since it's an international transaction, most gift cards won't work.
PghGuy2005
10-14-16, 13:45
This post from the Richmond thread may be of some help http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=3111441&viewfull=1#post3111441.
post # 12689
Any thought on anonymous methods for getting a subscription to SA? Since it's an international transaction, most gift cards won't work.
I've been with several young SBs from SA and everyone has tried to go bare back-I've had to make them wait while I put on a condom. I'm wondering if that's a trend with younger girls in general-or if the sb girls feels like that's something sd's want so they do it or if I'm just so fing hot they can't resist themselves.
I've been with several young SBs from SA and everyone has tried to go bare back-I've had to make them wait while I put on a condom. I'm wondering if that's a trend with younger girls in general-or if the sb girls feels like that's something sd's want so they do it or if I'm just so fing hot they can't resist themselves.This is definitely a trend. And I attribute it to several factors. Having a "baby daddy" who is successful is a ticket to stability for quite sometime.
PghGuy2005
10-17-16, 19:47
I've been with several young SBs from SA and everyone has tried to go bare back-I've had to make them wait while I put on a condom. I'm wondering if that's a trend with younger girls in general-or if the sb girls feels like that's something sd's want so they do it or if I'm just so fing hot they can't resist themselves.I like to go bare as I am snipped but all the SBs I've been with have insisted on protection. As already pointed out by Thresh be sure not to become the "Daddy" of their baby!
This is definitely a trend. And I attribute it to several factors. Having a "baby daddy" who is successful is a ticket to stability for quite sometime.Is the new trend with these young ones.
If anyone's seen Hannah with her boyfriend, pm me.
Link to her profile?
If anyone's seen Hannah with her boyfriend, pm me.
Any thought on anonymous methods for getting a subscription to SA? Since it's an international transaction, most gift cards won't work.I've always used the AMEX prepaid card. (forgot what it's called). You buy it at CVS and load it with the amount you want to spend, and there is no purchase fee (unlike prepaid credit cards 4. 95 or 7. 95). It is anonymous, as long as you enter the same zip code as where you bought the card it should work. If it doesn't, just contact support and explain the situation, give the digits of the card and they'll manually clear it within 24 hours or so. Good luck!
I decided to try SA out and found a SB that wanted to meet. We have already set up an arrangement.
She does not have transportation and she wants me to visit her home (not to pick her up and go to a hotel but have our fun there at a place that is near a rough part of Durham County).
I asked her a question about being an adult 18 or over, old enough to consent and she told me I was being weird (but never answered the question). I informed her that was a question designed for her safety and mines because a stranger is coming to her resident (where she says she will be alone) and I wanted to ensure she was of legal age because while she is sexy and her profile says she is 18.she looks young (and she never answered the question, she talked around the question, "you will see when you get here that I'm an adult".
What should I do? Just go to the meet and then request her I'd before we get into anything?
MrCoop,
You may receive varying answers on this, but let me give you my opinion. I've been a SD for over two years, and regardless of how horny I am, how desperate they are, or the favor-ability of the pre-meet conversation. I always (ALWAYS) without exception meet on neutral ground. It is easy to think about the safety of the SB, however, your safety is FAR more imperative here. You are the "money' man, and everyone knows it.
I feel so strongly about this, that I have refused to meet a couple of dozen SBs due to this self-imposed rule of mine. You have to view yourself as a potential target with any SB. My rule is very simple; first meeting in a public place, or no meet at all. SBs come and go. Not to sound harsh here, but there's an unlimited amount of them at your disposal. Never (ever) lose your upper hand inside the Sugar Bowl.
Cheers: Thresh.
I decided to try SA out and found a SB that wanted to meet. We have already set up an arrangement.
She does not have transportation and she wants me to visit her home (not to pick her up and go to a hotel but have our fun there at a place that is near a rough part of Durham County).
I asked her a question about being an adult 18 or over, old enough to consent and she told me I was being weird (but never answered the question). I informed her that was a question designed for her safety and mines because a stranger is coming to her resident (where she says she will be alone) and I wanted to ensure she was of legal age because while she is sexy and her profile says she is 18.she looks young (and she never answered the question, she talked around the question, "you will see when you get here that I'm an adult".
What should I do? Just go to the meet and then request her I'd before we get into anything?
The other problem you run into with this is that you can get catfished and the photos you saw, are not of the girl you meet in person. That is why I always do a face to face meeting before agreeing on the arrangement. Unfortunately I learned it the hard way.
Also, make sure you get a full body photo so you can make sure there are no surprises in the lower parts. Another lesson learned the hard way.
MrCoop,
You may receive varying answers on this, but let me give you my opinion. I've been a SD for over two years, and regardless of how horny I am, how desperate they are, or the favor-ability of the pre-meet conversation. I always (ALWAYS) without exception meet on neutral ground. It is easy to think about the safety of the SB, however, your safety is FAR more imperative here. You are the "money' man, and everyone knows it.
I feel so strongly about this, that I have refused to meet a couple of dozen SBs due to this self-imposed rule of mine. You have to view yourself as a potential target with any SB. My rule is very simple; first meeting in a public place, or no meet at all. SBs come and go. Not to sound harsh here, but there's an unlimited amount of them at your disposal. Never (ever) lose your upper hand inside the Sugar Bowl.
Cheers: Thresh.
Triptogamont
10-21-16, 13:45
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cb0c4d1c-56dd-4944-bb6a-c4c010f7aa68
Agreed on an allowance via message and text. Twice she mentioned wanting the allowance up front. I told her it sounded like a rob scam to me and she became belligerent. I blocked her on SA and phone.
Triptogamont
10-21-16, 15:15
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/91b9bd50-dedb-c144-a141-828fa935d3a8
FYI. Lots of texting back and forth. Finally set up a meet. She gave me her address. Run down house in Durham. It's not in a horrible spot, but not great. I asked about meeting nearby in public, but she said she doesn't drive right now. She would come out and sit in the car and talk if I wanted. I let the little head say ok. Showed up and pulled into the driveway. A large gentlemen immediately peeked around the corner from the back of the house, then hid around the corner again. I bolted. She might be real, but I'm not finding out.
Stay safe.
Righton1960
10-22-16, 15:49
I want to reply to a couple of posts all at once, hopefully that's cool.
1) thanks for the notes on joining. I had used the site back when they still took money orders and got flustered.
2) Definitely a trend. I actually bring up STD safety stuff at the first meeting. I find that coming right out with it gives me all the info I need: are they safe, are they tested regularly, are they the sad casualties of regressive politics and abstinence-only sex ed? Usually it's 1 and 2 or 3. I also ask if they got the HPV vaccine and don't proceed if they haven't. If it's someone I intend to make an investment with I'll discuss document-able testing just to see how they react. The most trusted reply I got was "hah, yeah. We can do that, but I'd never trust it because it's all invalidated the moment you have sex with someone again and this isn't a world of trust. It's a world of transactions. " When I first started reading this and some other boards was the end of my seeing "regular" appointments -- way too many people trying to go BB with a pool of people using IV drugs and that's just insane. (sorry for the soapbox).
3) the end of point 2 was the best worst thing to happen to me. I went totally SD / UTR almost three years ago and I don't think I'd ever go back. The mirror to Thresh's point about being a target is that unlike with the backpage or even high class zones we can be in absolute control if you do things the right way. One important thing to note is that there are WAY more real women on SA than actual SDaddies. So we should all win by default. All of this assumes you understand how this is different. I can go to Raleigh Denim and spend nearly $200 on a pair of raw-denim jeans. Work them in the right way over the next six months and then I have a custom fit / fade to my body that will last me years with little to no extra investment. Or you could go buy three pairs of Levi's for that price. They will all be good, but never fit perfectly, will wear out in a year, and expect to see your co-worker wearing the same cut and fade at the work picnic. And then there's WalMart jeans. You might get crabs just trying them on.
Slow your roll. Do your research. Figure out your style and persona. Then start raking them in. Here's some testimonials. I'll give direct links via PM to some of you senior members (good SA match can still be UTR).
1- I joined last week. Spent the weekend lining up options since I had a work trip to another part of the state. First night I got there I met my first date for coffee at 4. We were in the hot tub by 5, to the room for round one, out for dinner around 7:30, back to the room for rounds 2-exhaustion. She spent the night. Everything was on the menu. Like pornstar meets kinky sub menu. Our discussion over the weekend included her naming a $$$ a little south of 1 k. I told her that I totally believe she has guys lining up to throw that kinda money at her but it was well outside my intended budget. We settled on less than half (and slightly more than the top priced BP girls around here).
2- Had someone lined up for the next day, but felt tired and work meetings were frustrating. So I told her that I wasn't feeling good and asked to wait until later and she was fine with that after lowering her stated price (and my saying I wasn't trying to low-ball her). That evening I got a text from night one asking she I'd like to "rejuvenate" in the hot tub. I said I would, but my budget didn't allow and she snipped back that she wanted the tub not my money (with a wink). Woke up with her the next morning as well. When I was leaving town I sent her a note saying I had fun and she replied that she did too and really hoped to see me next time (but remember this is NSA. I'm 100% yours when we are together, but only when we are together).
3- "work trip" was always a bit of an exaggeration. I was on a tour to see what I could establish in the area since I'll be there about 4-5 days each month for the coming year. So I started this day saying goodbye to my first baby and met my contact from the previous night for brunch. We had a nice time and made plans to get drinks at the hotel that night with the parting gift "and lets just go with that lower amount. You actually make me feel comfortable and it would be nice not going home feeling gross. " Started drinks picking up that conversation line. And talked the complications of consent and money and sexism and ended the night in my bed and her declining money. (that happens only once in a blue moon and I've already sent her some stuff I know she needs for her art addressed from "an anonymous patron. " (I'm tipping my hand here. I do believe that money and consent makes things fucked up and sticky and I did send it anonymously. But I knew she would know it was from me and wrote "I don't believe in romance, but this made me smile and I can't wait to make you smile again" . Call it a long con or a game or business, be good at what you are doing and you'll succeed).
4- day four was a wild card. I'd been corresponding with a number of other local college girl types. These can be flighty and fickle. I seem to have the right amount of charisma and humbleness that they will usually talk themselves into doing more with me that they claim they will do. So I had a couple on the line and kept pushing them off being busy or "not sure if I should invest the money. Business deals on this trip aren't working out how I had initially expected. " Had one offer to meet me for drinks "just for fun" out of the blue. She suggested a place and I countered (I always counter). Fast forward to my giving her a ride home instead of via Uber and being invited to her dorm room "because it'll be so hot" or something.
I'm out about 7. For the week. That's for two overnights (both with tours to greece) plus two more evenings. That comes in at under $20 an hour. Sure it's not non-stop action, but this always works for me. Next time I'll have at least three to choose from and all of them will meet me for even less than this first trip. I'll send some gifts in the meantime. Everybody feels good getting gifts in the mail. Make someone actually feel good and they will want to make you feel good too.
Back here now and have a test the waters date tonight in Raleigh, tomorrow in Greensboro, and Wednesday in Burlington (Elon) plus someone asking if I would like her to drive here from WS to meet for drinks since I told her I was getting too busy. All have the expectation of an initial meeting with me saying I'm gong to be traveling a lot over the next six months so we might have to space things out. By the end of this month's paid SA account I'll probably hay ve my next year or so totally lined up. I already know at least two people I've spoken with will just be FWB since they are either stepping out or using SA as a way to get a very specific type of arrangement.
Go in expecting to invest, but think of it across the full year and do the cost analysis. You'll be so much more happy about it in the end. Tinder has mostly dried up for this kind of action. A year ago I was swimming in women from there. But I'm ending up preferring these set-ups because they want to keep it on the DL and the ones I'm going for are using it like a useful tool that same way as I am, so it works.
Again, hit me directly if you want some specifics. I'm also happy detailing how I engage with them. Just not out here in the open.
The other problem you run into with this is that you can get catfished and the photos you saw, are not of the girl you meet in person. That is why I always do a face to face meeting before agreeing on the arrangement. Unfortunately I learned it the hard way.
Also, make sure you get a full body photo so you can make sure there are no surprises in the lower parts. Another lesson learned the hard way.
Triptogamont
10-23-16, 11:07
I tend to have mornings free for play time. Most SBs cannot host. I cannot guarantee that I'll be able to check in to a hotel room in the morning, even if I call ahead and ask about it. Any suggestions on how to acquire an FC in the morning would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
FarFarAway
10-23-16, 11:20
I tend to have mornings free for play time. Most SBs cannot host. I cannot guarantee that I'll be able to check in to a hotel room in the morning, even if I call ahead and ask about it. Any suggestions on how to acquire an FC in the morning would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!Uh, I check in the night before on my way home from work, set up the room, then come back in the morning and text the room # to the baby. Or, if my out of town baby was getting the room, she actually comes and stays in it overnight, then I show up to fukc her. Only problem. She's not a morning person and I have to start slow until she wakes up.
Rdudreaming
10-23-16, 12:40
I tend to have mornings free for play time. Most SBs cannot host. I cannot guarantee that I'll be able to check in to a hotel room in the morning, even if I call ahead and ask about it. Any suggestions on how to acquire an FC in the morning would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!Many hotels near the airport have special rates for air crews who need a short layover. Call and ask for the 'layoiver rate' and explain that you will be in by 8 and out by noon, or what ever your circumstances are.
Triptogamont
10-23-16, 21:05
Uh, I check in the night before on my way home from work, set up the room, then come back in the morning and text the room # to the baby. Or, if my out of town baby was getting the room, she actually comes and stays in it overnight, then I show up to fukc her. Only problem. She's not a morning person and I have to start slow until she wakes up.Yeah, I thought of this, but some of these girls are really flaky. I'd hate to have a room and no one to keep me company but Rosy Palm.
Triptogamont
10-23-16, 21:05
Many hotels near the airport have special rates for air crews who need a short layover. Call and ask for the 'layoiver rate' and explain that you will be in by 8 and out by noon, or what ever your circumstances are.Will definitely look into this, thanks!
DirtyDeeds38
11-02-16, 10:57
MrCoop,
You may receive varying answers on this, but let me give you my opinion. I've been a SD for over two years, and regardless of how horny I am, how desperate they are, or the favor-ability of the pre-meet conversation. I always (ALWAYS) without exception meet on neutral ground. It is easy to think about the safety of the SB, however, your safety is FAR more imperative here. You are the "money' man, and everyone knows it.
I feel so strongly about this, that I have refused to meet a couple of dozen SBs due to this self-imposed rule of mine. You have to view yourself as a potential target with any SB. My rule is very simple; first meeting in a public place, or no meet at all. SBs come and go. Not to sound harsh here, but there's an unlimited amount of them at your disposal. Never (ever) lose your upper hand inside the Sugar Bowl.
Cheers: Thresh.Great advise! I would add to this, might seem a little extreme, but record your encounters and text them about what they expect, want, and get followup communications as well. Put nothing past these girls. Many are indeed sweet, many are, or will become very jaded if you do not desire to continue seeing them. I have once been attempted to be extorted. I sent her the recording of the entire night and told her one more word and I was contacting the police. She apologized beyond my expectations. Freaked her out. And this was a girl I only met with, had a few drinks with and talked with. No sex, no intimacy. I had given her a nice gift even though we did not engage in intimacy as I liked her. All an act. A few days later I start getting texts how she is in trouble needs cash for XYZ. I wouldn't bite and she than just outright asked for the money. I said no, I do not do that. Then she starts texting me threats and she will find out if I have a wife or kids, and tell them what I am doing, meeting girls. I told her to go ahead, I'm single, nothing wrong with dating women. LOL. Then she said, "I'll tell everyone what happened. " I screenshot all her texts and sent them to her, along with a file of the entire night being recorded. She started apologizing and begging me not to report her. LOL.
I'm nice to any girl I meet. Very nice, just my nature and often times that is confused with weakness by these girls and attempts to take advantage. Once they start doing that, I will be come firm and stand my ground and most respect this and respond well.
A lot of these girls are not stable mentally. Sorry to be blunt, but they just aren't. They likely would never be on the site if they were. That is just a fact. I've dated a few very nice and fun girls, but at the end of the day, they were just so off and gave me the sense, they could turn psycho at any moment.
You cannot be too careful.
StormyTuesday
11-10-16, 20:28
I decided to try SA out and found a SB that wanted to meet. We have already set up an arrangement.
She does not have transportation and she wants me to visit her home (not to pick her up and go to a hotel but have our fun there at a place that is near a rough part of Durham County).
I asked her a question about being an adult 18 or over, old enough to consent and she told me I was being weird (but never answered the question). I informed her that was a question designed for her safety and mines because a stranger is coming to her resident (where she says she will be alone) and I wanted to ensure she was of legal age because while she is sexy and her profile says she is 18.she looks young (and she never answered the question, she talked around the question, "you will see when you get here that I'm an adult".
What should I do? Just go to the meet and then request her I'd before we get into anything?I have met with several SBs claiming to be 18. I typically ask them to show me a picture I'd. One of my current SBs who is 19 now started on SA 2 months prior to her 18th birthday. I know this because I have been with her for over a year and know her birthdate and know when she started out on SA.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/6a61d038-e5b6-3850-cc5c-3359dd7a1638
I've recently met with this one (M / G) and she seems fun and genuine. Am considering her for a LT SB. Something on the back of my mind is nagging at me and I don't know what it is though. I swear I've seen her tattoo (below clavicle) before somewhere. If anyone has any information they wish to share, PM me or post here before I pull the trigger! Thanks!
Yaya.
I have been away from the Hobby but the break allowed me to reflect. With all the risk of BP, I am considering SA. But it sounds like a lot of effort. I don't have a lot of time to be meeting and screening. I also don't have extra large amounts of cash. So my first question for the group is; how much time / effort are you putting into this and would it be better to go for angencies if my time is limited?
Second question; about how much should one expect to shell out for most encounters? I don't want to insult anyone.
Third; do I need to include a photo? I simply can't do that.
Final Question; how many ads are real? I checked out AM and ALL the profiles seemed fake to me, it was soooo obvious, especially when popular porn stars are featured, along with corny names all with with sex innuendo. And I think there was a revelation of people hired just to write fake profiles. SA free membership allows me to see basic info, it does not seem as fake. AF seems a bit fake. What is your experience with the truth in advertising?
Sorry for long post but thanks for info. I got into this hoping to find a few regulars I could get to know, like FWB, but that seems impossible with all the inconsistencies of BP gals. With tips, angencies would get expensive, with very limited time for the $.
I have been away from the Hobby but the break allowed me to reflect. With all the risk of BP, I am considering SA. But it sounds like a lot of effort. I don't have a lot of time to be meeting and screening. I also don't have extra large amounts of cash. So my first question for the group is; how much time / effort are you putting into this and would it be better to go for angencies if my time is limited?
Second question; about how much should one expect to shell out for most encounters? I don't want to insult anyone.
Third; do I need to include a photo? I simply can't do that.
Final Question; how many ads are real? I checked out AM and ALL the profiles seemed fake to me, it was soooo obvious, especially when popular porn stars are featured, along with corny names all with with sex innuendo. And I think there was a revelation of people hired just to write fake profiles. SA free membership allows me to see basic info, it does not seem as fake. AF seems a bit fake. What is your experience with the truth in advertising?
Sorry for long post but thanks for info. I got into this hoping to find a few regulars I could get to know, like FWB, but that seems impossible with all the inconsistencies of BP gals. With tips, angencies would get expensive, with very limited time for the $.If your time and funds are limited and you aren't planning to post a picture, then you shouldn't start this to be honest. The vast majority of the girls are very real, but it will take time for you to sort through profiles, send messages back and forth, and meet with them to see how compatible you both are. As most aren't pros, they will need to feel a connection with you in order to start things, so many won't entertain meeting someone that won't even post a picture of themselves. I post real photos of myself in the private area and give permission to view only to those that I'm interested in meeting. As far as cost, it really depends on the girl, but think of $$ to $$ per meet for most of them (per meet meaning multiple hours) some will ask for less / more but it's up to you to find those and negotiate. Good luck!
PghGuy2005
11-21-16, 20:05
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/636e16fc-8e92-3ed0-3855-96022f725d3c
Got his from her.
"I don't see Indians for less than 2000 per visit. ".
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/636e16fc-8e92-3ed0-3855-96022f725d3c
Got his from her.
"I don't see Indians for less than 2000 per visit. ".I had emailed a bit with her. Was quoted 500. Generally if I'm getting pricing when I don't even show a pic, I assume she's an UTR "pro" and opt out!
John HandCock
11-21-16, 21:15
I have been away from the Hobby but the break allowed me to reflect. With all the risk of BP, I am considering SA. But it sounds like a lot of effort. I don't have a lot of time to be meeting and screening. I also don't have extra large amounts of cash. So my first question for the group is; how much time / effort are you putting into this and would it be better to go for angencies if my time is limited?
Second question; about how much should one expect to shell out for most encounters? I don't want to insult anyone.
Third; do I need to include a photo? I simply can't do that.
Final Question; how many ads are real? I checked out AM and ALL the profiles seemed fake to me, it was soooo obvious, especially when popular porn stars are featured, along with corny names all with with sex innuendo. And I think there was a revelation of people hired just to write fake profiles. SA free membership allows me to see basic info, it does not seem as fake. AF seems a bit fake. What is your experience with the truth in advertising?
Sorry for long post but thanks for info. I got into this hoping to find a few regulars I could get to know, like FWB, but that seems impossible with all the inconsistencies of BP gals. With tips, angencies would get expensive, with very limited time for the $.You will find plenty of utr and pros on SA. Go for them and that cuts your time and screenings down. The cost will be determined by what your looking for but plenty in the BP range. As far as a photo write a good profile as to what your looking for. That goes along way. I have never used a photo and have plenty of responses. Pic can be sent when you get to texting phase. Send a recent pic when you do. You will be able to sort out the worki g girls from the real deal pretty fast.
Ok, thank you guys for the feedback. It sounds like SA is real but less efficient, though possibly a good source for UTR if I am willing to do a little ground work. So next question; has anyone found a refillable credit card that can be used on this site? Most cards say no international purchases.
Ok, thank you guys for the feedback. It sounds like SA is real but less efficient, though possibly a good source for UTR if I am willing to do a little ground work. So next question; has anyone found a refillable credit card that can be used on this site? Most cards say no international purchases.I've always used the AMEX Serve (I think it's called that) card. You can get it at any CVS (maybe Walgreens). It's prepaid at the register, so you will need to know the $ amount you want to upload before you buy. There is no fee to buy the card, it's anonymous for online transactions, and you can just throw it away after the transaction / purchase. The last time I tried to use it I had to contact SA support and give them the card info, which they cleared in 24 hours. Good luck, and let us know how it worked out!
Yaya.
Hummer5205
12-11-16, 21:40
Is this the girl from Dunn that others were discussing earlier this year? Has anyone had any dealings with her? Been talking with her, no red flags so far, but wanted to see if anyone had already tried.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/9a906d3d-62d2-42d8-b412-bf6911a21fb1
First message I receive after joining SA premium. Just wow.
"What do you look like why would you hide your face unless you realize your very ugly".
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/8f509341-e171-4655-b855-9ddcbc51589e
So I joined SA just to check it out. I already have a few messages but I have not paid for premium. . 8 for one month? Am I missing something here? Is it really worth that? Is there a way to read messages without paying? And as far as posting a picture, are you guys using your actual picture? I just can't seem to bring myself to put my pic up for fear someone will see it that knows me.
Hummer5205
12-19-16, 01:45
So I joined SA just to check it out. I already have a few messages but I have not paid for premium. . 8 for one month? Am I missing something here? Is it really worth that? Is there a way to read messages without paying? And as far as posting a picture, are you guys using your actual picture? I just can't seem to bring myself to put my pic up for fear someone will see it that knows me.I paid for premium and would have to say, YES it's worth it. I have NOT posted a picture and have had a couple of meetings already and several other offers. Some are just crazy with their asking price, but others I have found are very reasonable. They almost all do ask for a picture, but even when I have provided one, I have blurred my face.
So I joined SA just to check it out. I already have a few messages but I have not paid for premium. . 8 for one month? Am I missing something here? Is it really worth that? Is there a way to read messages without paying? And as far as posting a picture, are you guys using your actual picture? I just can't seem to bring myself to put my pic up for fear someone will see it that knows me.I put my picture up in the private, but I won't post it publicly. You have to pay to send messages. There's no way around it.
The first month is $54, so I figured I'd try it, see where it gets me, and if nowhere, then I'll cancel. I don't know if I have the charm or the game for this side of the hobby LOL. Should be an interesting month trying to feel it out.
So I joined SA just to check it out. I already have a few messages but I have not paid for premium. . 8 for one month? Am I missing something here? Is it really worth that? Is there a way to read messages without paying? And as far as posting a picture, are you guys using your actual picture? I just can't seem to bring myself to put my pic up for fear someone will see it that knows me.I suggest you upload any pictures you may have as private. That way you control who gets to see them and who doesn't. IMO it is totally worth the fee to get access. I suggest you message any and all that interest you as it is a numbers game. Also suggest you take your communication off the site (such as text or email) after a few messages have been exchanged so that you have a way of contacting them after your month has expired. Good luck, and let us know how it goes!
Yaya.
I've talked to more hotties in the last 5 days than I have in years. This site is pretty awesome. Who knows if any of these will pan out, but I've got several prospects right now. And random ones hitting up my inbox on the daily.
I'm trying to learn as I go. I might be doing this all wrong right now, but it's fun at least.
BigPackFan
12-22-16, 23:48
I've talked to more hotties in the last 5 days than I have in years. This site is pretty awesome. Who knows if any of these will pan out, but I've got several prospects right now. And random ones hitting up my inbox on the daily.
I'm trying to learn as I go. I might be doing this all wrong right now, but it's fun at least.It's the time of the season. They need Christmas money. I've been off the site for a month or so but have an inbox full of messages that I'm not sure I want to pay to read.
FarFarAway
12-23-16, 01:04
I've talked to more hotties in the last 5 days than I have in years. This site is pretty awesome. Who knows if any of these will pan out, but I've got several prospects right now. And random ones hitting up my inbox on the daily.
I'm trying to learn as I go. I might be doing this all wrong right now, but it's fun at least.You need to go to the Richmond, VA thread on here and look for 'Highlights' - its an archive of everything you ever want to know about being a SD, and using SA.
Anyone have any experience with this chick?
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e71ab282-a77a-44fe-906d-36eb385a7365
I think she's cute as hell. We've sent 80 or more messages just talking, but she seems a bit strange and now is saying she's thinking about deleting her acct bc she's never had a SD, and she's not sure it's for her.
I told her straight up to delete her acct if she wants to, that's her call. If I didn't find her so damn cute (I'm partial to asians), I'd just stop even trying.
I told her that her expectations were also a bit excessive. Was asking for $ $$$ or $ $$$$ for a short block of time, then I told her for that I could easily find other options for far less and she seemed intrigued. She also thinks that all the guys on this site are extremely wealthy, so I was trying to get her to take her blinders off LOL.
And this one is claiming to be a virgin. I'm almost inclined to believe her.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/9ae8b099-8619-4fbd-bce3-e60031332100
John HandCock
01-02-17, 09:27
Anyone have any experience with this chick?
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e71ab282-a77a-44fe-906d-36eb385a7365
I think she's cute as hell. We've sent 80 or more messages just talking, but she seems a bit strange and now is saying she's thinking about deleting her acct bc she's never had a SD, and she's not sure it's for her.
I told her straight up to delete her acct if she wants to, that's her call. If I didn't find her so damn cute (I'm partial to asians), I'd just stop even trying.
I told her that her expectations were also a bit excessive. Was asking for $ $$$ or $ $$$$ for a short block of time, then I told her for that I could easily find other options for far less and she seemed intrigued. She also thinks that all the guys on this site are extremely wealthy, so I was trying to get her to take her blinders off LOL.
And this one is claiming to be a virgin. I'm almost inclined to believe her.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/9ae8b099-8619-4fbd-bce3-e60031332100Alot of girls put up a profile and figure out later that its not for them. It happens. Girls also look at what you list as income and if its healthy then they don't understand why a guy is balking or try to negotiate what should be a few bucks for them. I alzo ran into one who claimed to be a virgin but that term means something else to the younger generation. This Virgin had done every act know except was saving the vagina for mr right.
Yes, I also have had a lot of back and forth with this one. She's apapparently just transfered here from another Uni. I had pegged her as another GPS girl, which has been my focus lately. Before I tended to stay away from them, thinking they had too unrealistic expectations. But then I decided to see how well I could convert a few and have had surprising success. I'd never justify 4-5 for a single encounter, but love when I can convince them to cut that # in half and look at a bigger picture.
Anyone have any experience with this chick?
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e71ab282-a77a-44fe-906d-36eb385a7365
I think she's cute as hell. We've sent 80 or more messages just talking, but she seems a bit strange and now is saying she's thinking about deleting her acct bc she's never had a SD, and she's not sure it's for her.
I told her straight up to delete her acct if she wants to, that's her call. If I didn't find her so damn cute (I'm partial to asians), I'd just stop even trying.
I told her that her expectations were also a bit excessive. Was asking for $ $$$ or $ $$$$ for a short block of time, then I told her for that I could easily find other options for far less and she seemed intrigued. She also thinks that all the guys on this site are extremely wealthy, so I was trying to get her to take her blinders off LOL.
CaptainKhan
01-02-17, 10:40
I joined for a month. Actually, I created an account before I joined to read messages. Instantly, I received a fake bait profile message from a 20-year old cutie wearing an NC State sweatshirt. Of course, I couldn't read the message without paying to join. I got a couple of other messages, so, I said what the hell, lets see what this is all about. The one with the NC State cutie message was; "Hello! How are you!" I replied as a gentleman. Never got another message from her and it appears she never signed back in her account the remainder of the time I was a member.
Next, I got a message from a hot blonde. Watch out for her. She tried to have her brotha coke dealer / pimps follow me home after I met her. We only met as a meet and greet. I gave her a small Christmas gift. I'm not sure all of her pictures are actually her. Something is not right. She's probably a coke * and uses the site to rob people. I'd love to set her up and bust her with LE. Always be mindful that you're being set-up. The guys that tried to follow me aren't bright but probably dangerous. I caught them, they know I caught them and got their license plate number. They peeled off abruptly.
I sent messages to other many other women. Most want insane money. $$ just to meet, have dinner. ROFLMAO! I told them I could walk up to any woman I desired and make that offer and I'd find one in 10 minutes. I don't need to meet anyone online for that money. I had a couple, after pleasant texting that were all set and ready, then cancelled at the last minute. After the third time of that crap, I said I need to cut my losses of time.
Many of these women have children with no baby daddy paying child support. If their profile says, "Prefer Not to Say" in the part that ask whether they have children, it means they have children. Also, I think many of these women have daddy issues (real daddy, not sugar daddy.).
The site is chock full of fake profiles. I'm sure many are created by the site itself despite their claim they do everything they can to prevent or take down fake profiles. They want to give the illusion they have all these women but they don't and the ones that are real are jokes and a waste of time. I'm sure some aren't and guys have had success but I'm convinced that's the exception, not the rule.
I think you could be more successful striking-up a conversation with a woman and cleverly steer the conversation that you're a willing sugar daddy. I have no doubt you could make an arrangement because many single women would entertain the idea if approached correctly. You don't need to pay anyone to meet them online.
Let me say this too. I'm not an ugly guy. I get complimented by women all the time. I enjoy being single and prefer a variety of women. I do not have any desire to legally and financially commit myself to a woman through marriage, particularly with NC divorce laws. I don't want to be a dog. I have no problem paying for it because that is how it's worked in one form or another since the beginning of civilized man. After my experience on SA, I think it's better to be a lying dog. Being a lying dog is not illegal and you don't have to deal with a sorry selection of insane, damaged, scamming, indecisive women on the likes of SA. YMMV.
FarFarAway
01-02-17, 14:29
Sounds awful. Sorry for that experience. However, your final 'YMMV' is the key. In your area, that's the deal. It's not the same everywhere. Unfortunately, I was 'sentenced' to 15 years in RTP for career reasons, and I left over a decade ago. It was a wasteland for single women in my estimation. Why should women there on SA be any different. In different parts of the country, all indications are that SA is a hotbed of the sort of women we mongers / SDs are looking for. I don't believe SA makes fake profiles. That is not to say others may put up fake profiles. Even many SDs do this as a means of monitoring the babies they are pursuing. So don't be the POT calling the kettle black (pun). Be careful out there. Anyone you meet on the internet could be a scammer or hostile, and certainly SA has no real means of policing this. I have had a couple of tense moments w / women I met on SA on the west Coast. Fortunately, I protected myself and was not vulnerable to any ongoing pressure.
I joined for a month. Actually, I created an account before I joined to read messages. Instantly, I received a fake bait profile message from a 20-year old cutie wearing an NC State sweatshirt. Of course, I couldn't read the message without paying to join. I got a couple of other messages, so, I said what the hell, lets see what this is all about. The one with the NC State cutie message was; "Hello! How are you!" I replied as a gentleman. Never got another message from her and it appears she never signed back in her account the remainder of the time I was a member.
Next, I got a message from a hot blonde. Watch out for her. She tried to have her brotha coke dealer / pimps follow me home after I met her. We only met as a meet and greet. I gave her a small Christmas gift. I'm not sure all of her pictures are actually her. Something is not right. She's probably a coke * and uses the site to rob people. I'd love to set her up and bust her with LE. Always be mindful that you're being set-up. The guys that tried to follow me aren't bright but probably dangerous. I caught them, they know I caught them and got their license plate number. They peeled off abruptly.
I sent messages to other many other women. Most want insane money. $$ just to meet, have dinner. ROFLMAO! I told them I could walk up to any woman I desired and make that offer and I'd find one in 10 minutes. I don't need to meet anyone online for that money. I had a couple, after pleasant texting that were all set and ready, then cancelled at the last minute. After the third time of that crap, I said I need to cut my losses of time.
Many of these women have children with no baby daddy paying child support. If their profile says, "Prefer Not to Say" in the part that ask whether they have children, it means they have children. Also, I think many of these women have daddy issues (real daddy, not sugar daddy.).
The site is chock full of fake profiles. I'm sure many are created by the site itself despite their claim they do everything they can to prevent or take down fake profiles. They want to give the illusion they have all these women but they don't and the ones that are real are jokes and a waste of time. I'm sure some aren't and guys have had success but I'm convinced that's the exception, not the rule.
I think you could be more successful striking-up a conversation with a woman and cleverly steer the conversation that you're a willing sugar daddy. I have no doubt you could make an arrangement because many single women would entertain the idea if approached correctly. You don't need to pay anyone to meet them online.
Let me say this too. I'm not an ugly guy. I get complimented by women all the time. I enjoy being single and prefer a variety of women. I do not have any desire to legally and financially commit myself to a woman through marriage, particularly with NC divorce laws. I don't want to be a dog. I have no problem paying for it because that is how it's worked in one form or another since the beginning of civilized man. After my experience on SA, I think it's better to be a lying dog. Being a lying dog is not illegal and you don't have to deal with a sorry selection of insane, damaged, scamming, indecisive women on the likes of SA. YMMV.
Haven't corresponded with her, but if you've sent 80 messages back and forth then she's probably not pegged you as serious or just a window shopper, so she wants you to get moving one way or the other. I would cut that down to 3 or 4 exchanges then offer to meet in person to see if you have chemistry or at least take the convo to text or email. The added benefit of meeting in person is that she may bring down her $ expectations. I've also met two girls claiming to be virgins and one that had only had one other sexual experience. Happily closed the deal with two of the 3 for several months each. Good luck!
Yaya.
Anyone have any experience with this chick?
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e71ab282-a77a-44fe-906d-36eb385a7365
I think she's cute as hell. We've sent 80 or more messages just talking, but she seems a bit strange and now is saying she's thinking about deleting her acct bc she's never had a SD, and she's not sure it's for her.
I told her straight up to delete her acct if she wants to, that's her call. If I didn't find her so damn cute (I'm partial to asians), I'd just stop even trying.
I told her that her expectations were also a bit excessive. Was asking for $ $$$ or $ $$$$ for a short block of time, then I told her for that I could easily find other options for far less and she seemed intrigued. She also thinks that all the guys on this site are extremely wealthy, so I was trying to get her to take her blinders off LOL.
And this one is claiming to be a virgin. I'm almost inclined to believe her.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/9ae8b099-8619-4fbd-bce3-e60031332100
CaptainKhan
01-02-17, 16:08
Sounds awful. Sorry for that experience. However, your final 'YMMV' is the key. In your area, that's the deal. It's not the same everywhere. Unfortunately, I was 'sentenced' to 15 years in RTP for career reasons, and I left over a decade ago. It was a wasteland for single women in my estimation. Why should women there on SA be any different. In different parts of the country, all indications are that SA is a hotbed of the sort of women we mongers / SDs are looking for. I don't believe SA makes fake profiles. That is not to say others may put up fake profiles. Even many SDs do this as a means of monitoring the babies they are pursuing. So don't be the POT calling the kettle black (pun). Be careful out there. Anyone you meet on the internet could be a scammer or hostile, and certainly SA has no real means of policing this. I have had a couple of tense moments w / women I met on SA on the west Coast. Fortunately, I protected myself and was not vulnerable to any ongoing pressure.Appreciate your feedback and this may be the case for this area but most of this area is populated by more people from around the country than actually were born and raised here. Whether SA puts up fake profiles or not, I'm going to disagree with you on that. All the online dating sites do it, even the free ones. Fake could be a willing woman who gets paid as a "content writer. " They're paid to appear not fake. Not only that, they have more profiles of women that haven't signed in over 6+ months than those that have recently signed in. Most of those could be former "content writers. " After the hack of AshMad and the news reports that the majority of profiles were indeed fake, fake, fake, fake is there really any question that other dating sites don't do it too. It's all an illusion.
The bottom line for me is, SA isn't necessary to find a sugar baby if one approaches it the right way and based on my experience, not as safe, with scammers, unrealistic, indecisive girls / women running amok on the site, not to mention the ridiculous monthly fee and time wasted for little return. Again, YMMV.
Lastly, I would never be the POT calling the kettle black. I used my real picture. I'm single, never married, no kids. I have nothing to hide. I'm just trying to practice liberty in the land of the "free" without getting scammed or robbed.
Yeah, the thrill of the chase is kinda fun. This girl hasn't appeared online for a few days now. I think she might seriously have some issues. I'm going to PM you.
Yes, I also have had a lot of back and forth with this one. She's apapparently just transfered here from another Uni. I had pegged her as another GPS girl, which has been my focus lately. Before I tended to stay away from them, thinking they had too unrealistic expectations. But then I decided to see how well I could convert a few and have had surprising success. I'd never justify 4-5 for a single encounter, but love when I can convince them to cut that # in half and look at a bigger picture.
Thanks yaya. I'm going to try! I find it kinda hard to just delve into the, I want DFK, BBBJ, CFS talk after only a few messages. I guess I need to just get over it and do it. But, the few that I didn't give a flip about, and just told them in message 2 what I was looking for have been rather receptive to it. This is a whole new ballgame for me, but I've been reading the threads, and a lot of stuff in the Richmond section. So much great info. I've just got to form it all together.
What do you do with the girls that don't want to transition from msg on SA? I've had a few that don't want to email / text?
Haven't corresponded with her, but if you've sent 80 messages back and forth then she's probably not pegged you as serious or just a window shopper, so she wants you to get moving one way or the other. I would cut that down to 3 or 4 exchanges then offer to meet in person to see if you have chemistry or at least take the convo to text or email. The added benefit of meeting in person is that she may bring down her $ expectations. I've also met two girls claiming to be virgins and one that had only had one other sexual experience. Happily closed the deal with two of the 3 for several months each. Good luck!
Yaya.
Thanks yaya. I'm going to try! I find it kinda hard to just delve into the, I want DFK, BBBJ, CFS talk after only a few messages. I guess I need to just get over it and do it. But, the few that I didn't give a flip about, and just told them in message 2 what I was looking for have been rather receptive to it. This is a whole new ballgame for me, but I've been reading the threads, and a lot of stuff in the Richmond section. So much great info. I've just got to form it all together.
What do you do with the girls that don't want to transition from msg on SA? I've had a few that don't want to email / text?There are so many options out there right now, that I would advise that you get your feet wet by simply trying different approaches with different girls to see what works and what doesn't. The point of the site is to actually meet people, not just message them online, and girls will appreciate you taking charge and moving things along. Trust me on that. That said, most of the girls are normal girls and not pros. I would NOT suggest you throw out those terms. You both KNOW what the site is about, and being overt will scare many of the non pros away that would otherwise be with you. Lastly, if a girl does not want to chat outside of SA is fine, but if you have had a few back and forth exchanges on what you're about and what you're looking for you should definitely set up and M&G and get to know each other in person.
Lastly, it's a numbers game. Don't be surprised if you get stood up a couple of times as these girls are young, skittish, and flaky. I like to confirm via text 1-2 hours before leaving that the meet is still on (has saved me from wasting my time more than once). Looking through the Richmond thread highlights was invaluable to me as I started, and I'm sure it will be for you. Good luck, and let us know how it goes!
Yaya.
Thanks yaya. I'm going to try! I find it kinda hard to just delve into the, I want DFK, BBBJ, CFS talk after only a few messages. I guess I need to just get over it and do it. But, the few that I didn't give a flip about, and just told them in message 2 what I was looking for have been rather receptive to it. This is a whole new ballgame for me, but I've been reading the threads, and a lot of stuff in the Richmond section. So much great info. I've just got to form it all together.
What do you do with the girls that don't want to transition from msg on SA? I've had a few that don't want to email / text?There are so many options out there right now, that I would advise that you get your feet wet by simply trying different approaches with different girls to see what works and what doesn't. The point of the site is to actually meet people, not just message them online, and girls will appreciate you taking charge and moving things along. Trust me on that. That said, most of the girls are normal girls and not pros. I would NOT suggest you throw out those terms. You both KNOW what the site is about, and being overt will scare many of the non pros away that would otherwise be with you. Lastly, if a girl does not want to chat outside of SA is fine (you should always get their contact info though for future use), but if you have had a few back and forth exchanges on what you're about and what you're looking for you should definitely set up and M&G and get to know each other in person.
Lastly, it's a numbers game. Don't be surprised if you get stood up a couple of times as these girls are young, skittish, and flaky. I like to confirm via text 1-2 hours before leaving that the meet is still on (has saved me from wasting my time more than once). Looking through the Richmond thread highlights was invaluable to me as I started, and I'm sure it will be for you. Good luck, and let us know how it goes!
Yaya.
I will do that. Actually, I never threw out those terms. I used a template that someone posted in the Richmond thread and explained that I was looking for cuddling, kissing, etc. It's really the same thing I guess, just not in monger language.
It seems to have worked on some, not on others. I probably won't renew my membership for a few months once it expires. Now that I've had a taste, I can do some more research, see what I can make happen with the connections I've already made, and go back in the future better prepared for the game.
There are so many options out there right now, that I would advise that you get your feet wet by simply trying different approaches with different girls to see what works and what doesn't. The point of the site is to actually meet people, not just message them online, and girls will appreciate you taking charge and moving things along. Trust me on that. That said, most of the girls are normal girls and not pros. I would NOT suggest you throw out those terms. You both KNOW what the site is about, and being overt will scare many of the non pros away that would otherwise be with you. Lastly, if a girl does not want to chat outside of SA is fine (you should always get their contact info though for future use), but if you have had a few back and forth exchanges on what you're about and what you're looking for you should definitely set up and M&G and get to know each other in person.
Lastly, it's a numbers game. Don't be surprised if you get stood up a couple of times as these girls are young, skittish, and flaky. I like to confirm via text 1-2 hours before leaving that the meet is still on (has saved me from wasting my time more than once). Looking through the Richmond thread highlights was invaluable to me as I started, and I'm sure it will be for you. Good luck, and let us know how it goes!
Yaya.
700 per meeting. I told her I could go see Pornstar Laura Bentley for less than that. GPS to the max.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/a685aad0-cbde-4fba-a828-22794b7aac39
Hummer5205
01-04-17, 15:05
700 per meeting. I told her I could go see Pornstar Laura Bentley for less than that. GPS to the max.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/a685aad0-cbde-4fba-a828-22794b7aac39LOL. She told me she was getting 800 per meeting, I guess I sounded like a easier target.
LOL. She told me she was getting 800 per meeting, I guess I sounded like a easier target.I decided to use a template from the Richmond thread to talk to her. She didn't respond to well to the 5 steps LOL. By the time I got to the "Most girls are here for 1 of 3 reasons" part, she decided to block me and tell me I was a creepy and old (I'm early 30s).
"Well my dear, that just makes you sound more creepy. I just want to tell you that none of these girls, especially the young ones will like you for you. And the fact that you use this to meet young struggling girls just furthers my case of why you may interpret their desperation for "real chemistry". If we want to find an emotional and physical connection we date within our own age. Nobody wants to date an old man for fun.
Have a great life. ".
CaptainKhan
01-04-17, 21:18
LOL. She told me she was getting 800 per meeting, I guess I sounded like a easier target.What is a "typical" arrangement / menu? I mean, what are these ladies seeking for what? A range would be good to know. I had one that asked if I could give her $500 per visit and I told her that was really way more than I'd ever expect to pay. I should have asked what was included for that price but I told her I had found someone for less than half that and I was quite pleased. She was alright looking in my book, not really my preference.
Can anyone post what they've paid and what they got for it? Is that allowed on here? If not, disregard.
I wrote this one off months ago. There are several local girls like her who are clearly holding our for their "white whale. " And I'm sure a few of them will get it, and that's fine. There's probably a target demographic of men on this site that are happy to deal with the GPS crowd. More power to them, and I hope they are happy together. LOL.
I decided to use a template from the Richmond thread to talk to her. She didn't respond to well to the 5 steps LOL. By the time I got to the "Most girls are here for 1 of 3 reasons" part, she decided to block me and tell me I was a creepy and old (I'm early 30s).
"Well my dear, that just makes you sound more creepy. I just want to tell you that none of these girls, especially the young ones will like you for you. And the fact that you use this to meet young struggling girls just furthers my case of why you may interpret their desperation for "real chemistry". If we want to find an emotional and physical connection we date within our own age. Nobody wants to date an old man for fun.
Have a great life. ".
CaptainKhan
01-05-17, 23:33
I decided to use a template from the Richmond thread to talk to her. She didn't respond to well to the 5 steps LOL. By the time I got to the "Most girls are here for 1 of 3 reasons" part, she decided to block me and tell me I was a creepy and old (I'm early 30s).
"Well my dear, that just makes you sound more creepy. I just want to tell you that none of these girls, especially the young ones will like you for you. And the fact that you use this to meet young struggling girls just furthers my case of why you may interpret their desperation for "real chemistry". If we want to find an emotional and physical connection we date within our own age. Nobody wants to date an old man for fun.
Have a great life. ".I'd tell her the whole purpose of asking the questions is to weed out women with her attitude and that you have paid twice that much for the right baby and she ain't the right baby. She'll never find a "white whale" with that attitude. She should move her profile to BackPage where it belongs.
I decided to use a template from the Richmond thread to talk to her. She didn't respond to well to the 5 steps LOL. By the time I got to the "Most girls are here for 1 of 3 reasons" part, she decided to block me and tell me I was a creepy and old (I'm early 30s).
"Well my dear, that just makes you sound more creepy. I just want to tell you that none of these girls, especially the young ones will like you for you. And the fact that you use this to meet young struggling girls just furthers my case of why you may interpret their desperation for "real chemistry". If we want to find an emotional and physical connection we date within our own age. Nobody wants to date an old man for fun.
Have a great life. ".I've seen that template, but never used it myself for several reasons. Simply be yourself, show an interest in them, and *be friendly* and you'll get as many available girls as you can handle. An approach that might work on one girl won't work on the next, but there are so many to choose from that if you don't click in personality or finances then so what. Simply move on! I only pay for 30 days every 6 months or so, as in those 30 days there are more than enough to load up on phone numbers, chat, meet, and start something with for many months. Keep at it!
Yaya.
What is a "typical" arrangement / menu? I mean, what are these ladies seeking for what? A range would be good to know. I had one that asked if I could give her $500 per visit and I told her that was really way more than I'd ever expect to pay. I should have asked what was included for that price but I told her I had found someone for less than half that and I was quite pleased. She was alright looking in my book, not really my preference.
Can anyone post what they've paid and what they got for it? Is that allowed on here? If not, disregard.I find it pretty easy to score full-service for up to two hours for $150 or less. I hate the old "numbers" scoring system, but I admit it is challenging to get the perfect 10 beauty queens for what I am paying. The thing is, if I have to make a choice I prefer great sex over just beauty. I have learned to play with the 6-7-8's and have spectacular sessions while spending as little as $100 and no more than $150. For sure, rates are higher in some areas, such as mid-town Manhattan. But I have generally found that my rates hold in a typical suburb or better yet, small college towns.
Look for the sweetest thing. She knows the deal and is a just a quick m&g. 150, zero tits, long legs, good BJ, likes rough play, and party favors are optional if that's your thing. I think she has some demons but nothing with needles. She's reliable. Share more please, I have more in the bank if others share positive ones.
I don't follow the Richmond thread, the best advice is on the la thread. In the the first 10 pages you will find loads of info. The Richmond crew is just amateurs.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?10455-Sugar-Daddy-Sites/page137
Just keep looking for Hollywood guys posts and you will learn lots.
Do not post the link, just post the name and have people search on their own. Repeat again, never post the link to the profile. Ever. Ever. Ever. This is what keeps sa on the dl. The profiles show views so don't blow it up by posting links. It freaks the babies out when all of a sudden 200 hits come in. Give a partial name so people have to have an account and do their homework please.
How much would you be willing to put up for an evening or overnight? What do you think is fair? If the girl is 7/10.
I find it pretty easy to score full-service for up to two hours for $150 or less. I hate the old "numbers" scoring system, but I admit it is challenging to get the perfect 10 beauty queens for what I am paying. The thing is, if I have to make a choice I prefer great sex over just beauty. I have learned to play with the 6-7-8's and have spectacular sessions while spending as little as $100 and no more than $150. For sure, rates are higher in some areas, such as mid-town Manhattan. But I have generally found that my rates hold in a typical suburb or better yet, small college towns.
John HandCock
01-07-17, 07:59
I don't follow the Richmond thread, the best advice is on the la thread. In the the first 10 pages you will find loads of info. The Richmond crew is just amateurs.The Richmond thread is where it all started. It has thousands of pages of info. It would be considered the college course. Lots of technical boring stuff. Very few post about actual info on actual girls.
The Hollywood thread is the penthouse letter forum. Lots of guys having sex with numerous sugar babies. Here everyone has numerous girls for little or no $. Just like penthouse its good reading lots of fiction with very little info or links to actual women.
EVERY thread has some useful info and entertaing reading. You take what works for you in your area and apply it. What works in the fictional writing doesn't work in the real world. Don't drink the grape kool-aid because everyone else is. What works in the real world is $$ then personality. If you have these your going to do ok in the sugar world. If you have the $$$ only you will still be ok as there are quite a few pros and utr girls on SA.
The Richmond thread is where it all started. It has thousands of pages of info. It would be considered the college course. Lots of technical boring stuff. Very few post about actual info on actual girls.
The Hollywood thread is the penthouse letter forum. Lots of guys having sex with numerous sugar babies. Here everyone has numerous girls for little or no $. Just like penthouse its good reading lots of fiction with very little info or links to actual women.
EVERY thread has some useful info and entertaing reading. You take what works for you in your area and apply it. What works in the fictional writing doesn't work in the real world. Don't drink the grape kool-aid because everyone else is. What works in the real world is $$ then personality. If you have these your going to do ok in the sugar world. If you have the $$$ only you will still be ok as there are quite a few pros and utr girls on SA.I concur on all counts. If you want to truly learn what works and doesn't work, the Richmond thread is where it's at. Start at the first post and start reading.
I concur on all counts. If you want to truly learn what works and doesn't work, the Richmond thread is where it's at. Start at the first post and start reading.All I see on Richmond is GSP GSP GSP, and no recommendations. It's simple as this:
1. She's new and doesn't know any better.
A. easy to educate.
B. agree on a reasonable monthly balance.
C. agree to pay after sampling- then pay or don't pay.
2. Stuck up *****.
- who cares.
3. Seasoned baby.
- not a lot of leverage, move on.
4. She thinks you're a creep.
- most likely the cast move on.
- most babies are looking for guys in their 30's not 40's or higher so if you're over 40 you better have a lot of money.
5. backpage girl.
- they are on SA and know the deal. Easy peasy.
6. high priced escort.
- they know the deal and are looking to make quick cash.
- they want too much BTW. Their regular rates.
7. if they look fake they are fake.
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Seeing if any of you SA fellas have had any experiences with this gal.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/36aef36d-093b-4a92-a94a-a8961890cb3f
CaptainKhan
01-12-17, 18:00
Do not post the link, just post the name and have people search on their own. Repeat again, never post the link to the profile. Ever. Ever. Ever. This is what keeps sa on the dl. The profiles show views so don't blow it up by posting links. It freaks the babies out when all of a sudden 200 hits come in. Give a partial name so people have to have an account and do their homework please.But, she's going to get 100 hits instead of 200 and she'll still be freaked out. I'm suggesting we create another forum or social gathering, the SD gang. Keep it local, non-profit driven, information only. You can always save their profile / pics and share. Or, we could meet locally and share information. I was on SA for a month. Some of the "babies" are a waste of time and YMMV does not apply. Some are bad news. Wish I could share more about that but probably shouldn't here. If the serious local SDs got together or shared information other than links, we would probably all up our chances of finding a happy arrangement with much less worry and hassle without wasting our time.
But, she's going to get 100 hits instead of 200 and she'll still be freaked out. I'm suggesting we create another forum or social gathering, the SD gang. Keep it local, non-profit driven, information only. You can always save their profile / pics and share. Or, we could meet locally and share information. I was on SA for a month. Some of the "babies" are a waste of time and YMMV does not apply. Some are bad news. Wish I could share more about that but probably shouldn't here. If the serious local SDs got together or shared information other than links, we would probably all up our chances of finding a happy arrangement with much less worry and hassle without wasting our time.That's the purpose of this thread. Just saying. The site is real and you have to like the thrill of the hunt, so of course some babies are a waste of time like many 'daddies' are a waste of their time. Share what you know or ask questions here and we'll do what we can to help you develop your game, but if you want a sure thing all the time, go to BP or get some major bankroll.
That's the purpose of this thread. Just saying. The site is real and you have to like the thrill of the hunt, so of course some babies are a waste of time like many 'daddies' are a waste of their time. Share what you know or ask questions here and we'll do what we can to help you develop your game, but if you want a sure thing all the time, go to BP or get some major bankroll.Search Burlington for jess. Tightest pussy you will ever have. I banged her mish and couldn't put it all the way in so I flipped her over for doggy, I busted in 30 seconds with a condom and that never happens. Sucked at BJ but who cares that pussy is the bomb. Student at Elon with a bunch of of other baby friends. These coeds are all really hot and less than BP girls and down to do almost anything. These girls are all friends and will do 3 somes. If why'all blow up the profiles I'll know because I see them all the time. You can thank me now or later.
If you get in good with jess then she will introduce you to the hottest utr coeds you have ever seen.
CaptainKhan
01-16-17, 19:26
That's the purpose of this thread. Just saying. The site is real and you have to like the thrill of the hunt, so of course some babies are a waste of time like many 'daddies' are a waste of their time. Share what you know or ask questions here and we'll do what we can to help you develop your game, but if you want a sure thing all the time, go to BP or get some major bankroll.What should one do about a woman they met on SA that tried to have 2 guys follow him home?
What should one do after contacting every woman within his prefered search parameters, based on ethnicity, age, height, etc. And received offers to meet for $300+, agreed to meet several, exchanged friendly text with all of them and they all canceled at the last minute?
How can I adjust my game?
What should one do about a woman they met on SA that tried to have 2 guys follow him home?
What should one do after contacting every woman within his prefered search parameters, based on ethnicity, age, height, etc. And received offers to meet for $300+, agreed to meet several, exchanged friendly text with all of them and they all canceled at the last minute?
How can I adjust my game?Not sure what you mean about your first question. Don't be creepy guy #3? Regarding the second, it's not clear if you are referring to the initial meet and greet or straight to the FC without even meeting them first? Most of these girls want to meet in person first to see if they are comfortable with you before jumping into bed. Maybe you're just having a bad run of luck. Regardless, if your time is as valuable as mine, always confirm before leaving to meet with anybody.
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That's two, better luck next time
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Aswerty9111
01-19-17, 03:50
That's the purpose of this thread. Just saying. The site is real and you have to like the thrill of the hunt, so of course some babies are a waste of time like many 'daddies' are a waste of their time. Share what you know or ask questions here and we'll do what we can to help you develop your game, but if you want a sure thing all the time, go to BP or get some major bankroll.How do you guys even send messages on that site? I had an account months ago. THe baby said what's in it for me, I threw out a # and next thing I know my acct got suspended for violating their terms of service, and all I wanted was a lapdance! Yet they still said it fell under whatever escort rules they had.
How do you guys even send messages on that site? I had an account months ago. THe baby said what's in it for me, I threw out a # and next thing I know my acct got suspended for violating their terms of service, and all I wanted was a lapdance! Yet they still said it fell under whatever escort rules they had.Send an intro message with some basic info about yourself and what you're looking for. Also try to talk about them and what they wrote in their profile. Try not to blatantly say 'I will pay you $ for xyz' or you will risk getting suspended. The site knows the heat will only be growing on them and they do NOT want to be perceived as another BP. If you want to discuss specifics, move the convo off site to text or email (which in my opinion you should do anyways after a few messages back and forth). I prefer to have that talk in person at the meet and greet where you see if you have chemistry. Good luck!
CaptainKhan2
01-19-17, 20:11
How do you guys even send messages on that site? I had an account months ago. THe baby said what's in it for me, I threw out a # and next thing I know my acct got suspended for violating their terms of service, and all I wanted was a lapdance! Yet they still said it fell under whatever escort rules they had.PM me and I'll give you the details on SA.
CaptainKhan2
01-19-17, 20:20
Send an intro message with some basic info about yourself and what you're looking for. Also try to talk about them and what they wrote in their profile. Try not to blatantly say 'I will pay you $ for xyz' or you will risk getting suspended. The site knows the heat will only be growing on them and they do NOT want to be perceived as another BP. If you want to discuss specifics, move the convo off site to text or email (which in my opinion you should do anyways after a few messages back and forth). I prefer to have that talk in person at the meet and greet where you see if you have chemistry. Good luck!That's amazing.
AsWerty911
01-20-17, 01:28
Send an intro message with some basic info about yourself and what you're looking for. Also try to talk about them and what they wrote in their profile. Try not to blatantly say 'I will pay you $ for xyz' or you will risk getting suspended. The site knows the heat will only be growing on them and they do NOT want to be perceived as another BP. If you want to discuss specifics, move the convo off site to text or email (which in my opinion you should do anyways after a few messages back and forth). I prefer to have that talk in person at the meet and greet where you see if you have chemistry. Good luck!Good advice, which of the sites do you think is best?
Good advice, which of the sites do you think is best?My public pic is a funny pic of a guy that's not me. It's a conversation starter in itself. I get tons of unsolicited messages from the public pic alone. I don't blanket post like some people, I target post. Read the crap in their profile and mention one thing and make it funny. If it's vague and their pic is hot then I just straight up say I'm interested and ask what they are looking for. There is usually a bit of back and forth after that, but I lay most of the groundwork in email. Then do the meet and greet and don't have to worry about the awkwardness or negotiation. I pick restaurants close to hotels and if the meet goes well I just bring them straight over. Easy Peary.
CaptainKhan2
01-23-17, 20:24
My public pic is a funny pic of a guy that's not me. It's a conversation starter in itself. I get tons of unsolicited messages from the public pic alone. I don't blanket post like some people, I target post. Read the crap in their profile and mention one thing and make it funny. If it's vague and their pic is hot then I just straight up say I'm interested and ask what they are looking for. There is usually a bit of back and forth after that, but I lay most of the groundwork in email. Then do the meet and greet and don't have to worry about the awkwardness or negotiation. I pick restaurants close to hotels and if the meet goes well I just bring them straight over. Easy Peary.How long have you been on the site (SA)?
What's your success rate as far as negotiating an arrangement? Ex. 1 in 3, 1 in 4 that you actually meet first.
What seems to be the $ range most are seeking?
Do you have more success with younger women vs. Older women?
AsWerty911
01-24-17, 04:56
My public pic is a funny pic of a guy that's not me. It's a conversation starter in itself. I get tons of unsolicited messages from the public pic alone. I don't blanket post like some people, I target post. Read the crap in their profile and mention one thing and make it funny. If it's vague and their pic is hot then I just straight up say I'm interested and ask what they are looking for. There is usually a bit of back and forth after that, but I lay most of the groundwork in email. Then do the meet and greet and don't have to worry about the awkwardness or negotiation. I pick restaurants close to hotels and if the meet goes well I just bring them straight over. Easy Peary.Don't they get upset when they find out in real life the pic's not you? Or do you tell them and show them a real one beforehand?
Don't they get upset when they find out in real life the pic's not you? Or do you tell them and show them a real one beforehand?I give them access to real pics if they ask. I just don't want a real pic being my public pic. They are plenty happy when they see my real pic.
How long have you been on the site (SA)?
What's your success rate as far as negotiating an arrangement? Ex. 1 in 3, 1 in 4 that you actually meet first.
What seems to be the $ range most are seeking?
Do you have more success with younger women vs. Older women?I have success with both older and younger so that's tough to say. Younger usually expect a bigger pay day but I usually negotiate up front. $200 seems to be the best. It varies between just a hookup or stretching it out all night depending on the girl. I know other people do this and that is setting up an allowance before hand and telling the girl they will pay at the end of the month and then ghost them after banging their brains out for a month. That's not recommended, but there's dudes that do that. As far as success, if the profile seems fake then it's most likely fake. I pick the ones that look real.
StormyTuesday
02-09-17, 20:23
I knew this particular SB was a risk after several meets, should have moved on. 21 year old mixed (Japanese / Thai / White) under the SA name of LostNoMore. Severe mood swings. Makes jokes about contacting the SO. Manipulated the amount of $$. I have been in the bowl for 18 months, taken almost 30 SBs to the FC. This one is a bit scary. Feel free to PM me. https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f5909697-6b12-4c35-ba0f-f10db6ae077e.
Aswerty9111
02-10-17, 04:41
I knew this particular SB was a risk after several meets, should have moved on. 21 year old mixed (Japanese / Thai / White) under the SA name of LostNoMore. Severe mood swings. Makes jokes about contacting the SO. Manipulated the amount of $$. I have been in the bowl for 18 months, taken almost 30 SBs to the FC. This one is a bit scary. Feel free to PM me. https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/f5909697-6b12-4c35-ba0f-f10db6ae077e.Have you tried the RachelNCbaby username? Much more attractive, I haven't met her, but she seems down after a few messages.
Have you tried the RachelNCbaby username? Much more attractive, I haven't met her, but she seems down after a few messages.She messages anybody and she looks good in the pictures, (filters) plus some of the pics are old. It really depends what you like. See if you can meet her for a meet and greet. I met her for a coffee, and she isn't for me.
Aswerty9111
02-11-17, 16:02
She messages anybody and she looks good in the pictures, (filters) plus some of the pics are old. It really depends what you like. See if you can meet her for a meet and greet. I met her for a coffee, and she isn't for me.Ahh thanks for the intel. Any experience with Elizabeth in Raleigh? I met up with FantasyGranter. Rocking bod, ok face, very time keeper though.
Ahh thanks for the intel. Any experience with Elizabeth in Raleigh? I met up with FantasyGranter. Rocking bod, ok face, very time keeper though.Elizabeth has a great personality but is much different in person appearances wise. Actually met at her place but horrible trash odor in the college style apartment. Talked for about 30 min but I couldn't bring myself to dream. Heavier than I prefer but those eyes are great. She didn't want much of a $$ for a lot of fun but I left before my little head won.
Ahh thanks for the intel. Any experience with Elizabeth in Raleigh? I met up with FantasyGranter. Rocking bod, ok face, very time keeper though.Elizabeth is very communicative, down to earth and relaxed. Spent a month or so with her last year (per meet) before moving on. She lives with several university roommates but it wasn't a problem for our meetups. Her eyes are some of the most beautiful I've seen in person and she would be a knockout if she worked out regularly. Would absolutely recommend if you want a reliable, no drama SB you can also relax and talk with. Good luck!
Yaya.
Does anyone have any experience with Amandaxoxox or Emmy427 ?
I may be meeting with both this week (M and G) but see both of them on the site constantly. If you have any info I should know post here or PM me if you like.
Thanks!
Aswerty9111
03-05-17, 17:52
Does anyone have any experience with Amandaxoxox or Emmy427 ?
I may be meeting with both this week (M and G) but see both of them on the site constantly. If you have any info I should know post here or PM me if you like.
Thanks!Any luck? Site's been lackluster for me lately.
LuckyViking
03-06-17, 18:17
Does anyone have any experience with Amandaxoxox or Emmy427 ?
I may be meeting with both this week (M and G) but see both of them on the site constantly. If you have any info I should know post here or PM me if you like.
Thanks!Emmy427 is just a college brat that's treating SA like Tinder.
There are a lot of other girls on there that are for real and I have even had a few that skill wise would put most BP providers to shame. Granted the freaky ones are a little crazy but if your following the rules of mongering, you should not have any problems.
I have had a few ladies from the site sum for as low as 8 $ for a 45 min sloppy BBBJ sesh in my car. If they can host well then I pay more for that convince but never going over 2 $$. Some of the girls even let me film them. Now before you guys go PMing me for my gems, understand I will share my techniques but not my girls.
StormyTuesday
03-13-17, 19:50
I have chatted up these POTs and have their phone numbers. Would be interested if anyone has been in the FC with them. Feel free to PM me for what I know about them so far.
StormyTuesday
03-14-17, 22:03
I have chatted up these POTs and have their phone numbers. Would be interested if anyone has been in the FC with them. Feel free to PM me for what I know about them so far.Several brothers have PM me to say they cannot find these POTs on SA. Here are their links (I have thier phone numbers, I just have not pulled the trigger):
1. raleighchick95 - https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/05a7792b-42cb-4e39-9320-1170ef55ec92.
2. emily_emily - https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/978aebda-f4a2-4770-b7d1-4d4c546b64a2.
3. Dallas - https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e0058ba5-6a6d-4294-993a-ee89ec733f81.
4. littlejbaby - https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/9e933b7b-11f8-996d-08c0-d140bc01e9dd.
5. Cnet - https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/924a4f57-b50b-03f4-855e-e7d9662f7096.
Littlemisschase is deactivated and I cannot find cassandrasky.
Also back in October saw gingalocks several times - https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/eeb732c1-dd80-9535-7d69-8a414a65d41b - very cute and sensual in the FC but no BB. Met several times for 200 but then wanted to bump it up so I moved on.
StormyTuesday
03-18-17, 15:44
Several brothers have PM me to say they cannot find these POTs on SA. Here are their links (I have thier phone numbers, I just have not pulled the trigger):
1. raleighchick95 - https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/05a7792b-42cb-4e39-9320-1170ef55ec92.
2. emily_emily - https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/978aebda-f4a2-4770-b7d1-4d4c546b64a2.
3. Dallas - https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e0058ba5-6a6d-4294-993a-ee89ec733f81.
4. littlejbaby - https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/9e933b7b-11f8-996d-08c0-d140bc01e9dd.
5. Cnet - https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/924a4f57-b50b-03f4-855e-e7d9662f7096.
Littlemisschase is deactivated and I cannot find cassandrasky.
Also back in October saw gingalocks several times - https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/eeb732c1-dd80-9535-7d69-8a414a65d41b - very cute and sensual in the FC but no BB. Met several times for 200 but then wanted to bump it up so I moved on.A brother just gave me / us great intel on Raleighchick95 through Mugshots (he was able to obtain her real name), I confirmed it through AtlasPublicRecords.com and her FB. Larceny including organized retail theft and credit card fraud. She gave me her phone number and said she goes by Danielle.
StormyTuesday
03-18-17, 16:46
I have been an active poster on the Richmond Sugar Bowl forum for the past year, but now see the value of putting time, effort and knowledge to good use with the Raleigh Sugar Bowl forum (RDU is in my backyard). We don't have the history of knowledge across all SD / SB topics that Richmond has and to that point I would encourage the more junior members to scroll through their archived reports for basic topics (abbreviation / terms, M & G to the FC techniques, paper trail security, etc).
Where I would suggest for the BOB to focus in on are research techniques and intel / reviews on both POTs and SBs in our RDU bowl. Over the past few weeks about 7 brothers have been good enough to PM me on intel and some of you have even contacted me through my email and text. Granted those of you with active (Premium) SA accounts will have more current intel to provide. Two ground rules I would suggest. When asking or reporting on a POT or SB include both her SA name and the SA link. Second, be a contributor before you ask for (hot) referrals. Safe to say we have all had to pay our dues along way and no doubt have TOFTT many times.
Let me talk about research. For me, my two goals evolve around getting the POT or SBs real name. One so I can see her on FB and secondly so I can do a background check. About FB. Of course it is easy when their phone number takes you to their page. Easy Bingo. When it doesn't then try to obtain clues during your M & G or even first visit (employer, hometown, college, current city). Plug these into the FB Find Friends section with her first name, you may get lucky. Let me give you an example of how I have been creative with FB research. Last month I had an M & G with Sara. She mentioned where she worked. A local sports tavern restaurant. I put her first name and employer name in. Zip. Then I left the name section blank and just put in the employer name. Pulled up about 15 FB names. I picked girls and guys her age then went to their respective page and then in their friends section put in Sara. BINGO.
I use several methods of background check techniques. I live 5 miles from a county courthouse and routinely go in to use their criminal arrest computer. Very easy to use. WWW.atlaspublicrecords.com is a very good free site (just don't go to the competitor links (truthfinder, etc). I personally pay about $ 300 total a year for www.intelius.com, spokeo and www. Peoplesmart. The first one is very good at finding relatives and addresses, the last two are very good at reverse checks on cell numbers and email addresses. I personally have no problem with weed possession and paraphernalia charges, even not overly skitterish on the hard stuff (coke, meth, heroin) if it is only possession. I have several fwb girls who are recovering. If the arrest is for dealing then I back away. I am okay with shoplifting but generally back away on larceny, credit card fraud, etc. I will admit that I currently have a SB in my rotation who just served a 2 year prison sentence for white collar crime. She has no idea I know (and I have no plans on letting her know I know). But she has 2 kids, a very educated and successful family (parents and brother). I figure her PO has her on a short leash and if she screwed with me I would make sure she put the orange suit back on. But for me she can host and she is very adventurous in the sheets so I just play it with my eyes wide open. My research on her was a challenge -she had it hidden very well even though I knew her name and Fb page. What saved me was spokeo listing her email addresses with her maiden name. BINGO. Her arrest and conviction 2 years ago hit the papers (and mugshot, etc) but with her maiden name.
Hope this helps. Meanwhile if there are other brothers besides Donatello, Manish, NCHobbyist69, Tonync83, Raltime, BigPackFan and CarlosManTooth lets all Band up, we are all Brothers on this forum.
StormyTuesday
03-18-17, 17:50
I have been an active poster on the Richmond Sugar Bowl forum for the past year, but now see the value of putting time, effort and knowledge to good use with the Raleigh Sugar Bowl forum (RDU is in my backyard). We don't have the history of knowledge across all SD / SB topics that Richmond has and to that point I would encourage the more junior members to scroll through their archived reports for basic topics (abbreviation / terms, M & G to the FC techniques, paper trail security, etc).
Where I would suggest for the BOB to focus in on are research techniques and intel / reviews on both POTs and SBs in our RDU bowl. Over the past few weeks about 7 brothers have been good enough to PM me on intel and some of you have even contacted me through my email and text. Granted those of you with active (Premium) SA accounts will have more current intel to provide. Two ground rules I would suggest. When asking or reporting on a POT or SB include both her SA name and the SA link. Second, be a contributor before you ask for (hot) referrals. Safe to say we have all had to pay our dues along way and no doubt have TOFTT many times.
Let me talk about research. For me, my two goals evolve around getting the POT or SBs real name. One so I can see her on FB and secondly so I can do a background check. About FB. Of course it is easy when their phone number takes you to their page. Easy Bingo. When it doesn't then try to obtain clues during your M & G or even first visit (employer, hometown, college, current city). Plug these into the FB Find Friends section with her first name, you may get lucky. Let me give you an example of how I have been creative with FB research. Last month I had an M & G with Sara. She mentioned where she worked. A local sports tavern restaurant. I put her first name and employer name in. Zip. Then I left the name section blank and just put in the employer name. Pulled up about 15 FB names. I picked girls and guys her age then went to their respective page and then in their friends section put in Sara. BINGO.
I use several methods of background check techniques. I live 5 miles from a county courthouse and routinely go in to use their criminal arrest computer. Very easy to use. WWW.atlaspublicrecords.com is a very good free site (just don't go to the competitor links (truthfinder, etc). I personally pay about $ 300 total a year for www.intelius.com, spokeo and www. Peoplesmart. The first one is very good at finding relatives and addresses, the last two are very good at reverse checks on cell numbers and email addresses. I personally have no problem with weed possession and paraphernalia charges, even not overly skitterish on the hard stuff (coke, meth, heroin) if it is only possession. I have several fwb girls who are recovering. If the arrest is for dealing then I back away. I am okay with shoplifting but generally back away on larceny, credit card fraud, etc. I will admit that I currently have a SB in my rotation who just served a 2 year prison sentence for white collar crime. She has no idea I know (and I have no plans on letting her know I know). But she has 2 kids, a very educated and successful family (parents and brother). I figure her PO has her on a short leash and if she screwed with me I would make sure she put the orange suit back on. But for me she can host and she is very adventurous in the sheets so I just play it with my eyes wide open. My research on her was a challenge -she had it hidden very well even though I knew her name and Fb page. What saved me was spokeo listing her email addresses with her maiden name. BINGO. Her arrest and conviction 2 years ago hit the papers (and mugshot, etc) but with her maiden name.
Hope this helps. Meanwhile if there are other brothers besides Donatello, Manish, NCHobbyist69, Tonync83, Raltime, BigPackFan and CarlosManTooth lets all Band up, we are all Brothers on this forum.Actually we have ten brothers so far that have PM me for our Raleigh BOB. Stevietaper, svt4628 and dirtydeeds38.
This sugar bowl section looks interesting. I have never tried any sort like this before, but just to clear the air; are these girls like BP regulars girls who you meet, gift your roses and go for the game or is there something different about the approach. The minimal SB are like $1 k but I see something like people donating 2 $$. I would appreciate any clarification? Also, would like to be in the team.
PM me if details are too specific to share, else if anyone posts it here other members who have their doubts would appreciate the shared info.
Emeralddragon6
03-18-17, 23:40
I would love to join stormy and will start providing my info.
This sugar bowl section looks interesting. I have never tried any sort like this before, but just to clear the air; are these girls like BP regulars girls who you meet, gift your roses and go for the game or is there something different about the approach. The minimal SB are like $1 k but I see something like people donating 2 $$. I would appreciate any clarification? Also, would like to be in the team.
PM me if details are too specific to share, else if anyone posts it here other members who have their doubts would appreciate the shared info.IMHO, SA is like going to the Cheesecake Factory. There's are wide variety of the menu and sometimes you'll get something amazing, other times you'll get something subpar. It's not for everybody certainly. If you're looking for a quicky cheeseburger and fries, there are plenty of cheaper options that won't take nearly the amount of time. But if you're looking for something delicious and makes you want to go back again and again, it might be your thing. I could go on and on with the metaphors, but I don't want to let the "women as meat" to persist.
Yes, there are several BP girls or UTR type girls on that site (as well as many similar types of sites), but there are also a large number of "normal / girl next door" types of ladies.
One phrase that's tossed casually around on this topic is that it's all a numbers game. Being kind of a digithead, I ran the numbers and did some math. To put it in perspective, based on a 25 mile radius of Raleigh, there are a little over 2250 SB profiles active on the site between the ages of 18-30. That same area yields only 540 SDs under the age if 45 (770 if expanded up to age 60.) SO bottom line is there are 3 or 4 POTS for every Daddy, and based on how you play the game, your numbers only improve from there. Do your research, take your time, and most of all be patient. There's NO reason to have a bad experience and not succeed in the SugarBowl of you use your "thinking head" first.
John HandCock
03-19-17, 10:10
IMHO, SA is like going to the Cheesecake Factory. There's are wide variety of the menu and sometimes you'll get something amazing, other times you'll get something subpar. It's not for everybody certainly. If you're looking for a quicky cheeseburger and fries, there are plenty of cheaper options that won't take nearly the amount of time. But if you're looking for something delicious and makes you want to go back again and again, it might be your thing. I could go on and on with the metaphors, but I don't want to let the "women as meat" to persist.
Yes, there are several BP girls or UTR type girls on that site (as well as many similar types of sites), but there are also a large number of "normal / girl next door" types of ladies.
One phrase that's tossed casually around on this topic is that it's all a numbers game. Being kind of a digithead, I ran the numbers and did some math. To put it in perspective, based on a 25 mile radius of Raleigh, there are a little over 2250 SB profiles active on the site between the ages of 18-30. That same area yields only 540 SDs under the age if 45 (770 if expanded up to age 60.) SO bottom line is there are 3 or 4 POTS for every Daddy, and based on how you play the game, your numbers only improve from there. Do your research, take your time, and most of all be patient. There's NO reason to have a bad experience and not succeed in the SugarBowl of you use your "thinking head" first.The math part is flawed somewhat. First it depends on what your consider active. Of that active number you quoted how many haven't visted their profile in the last 3 months? Once a girl has made a profile it stays until she deletes it. She may actually never check it again once she finds someone or decides its not for her. So she might not ever check it again, but it shows up on your active list. Some girls will come back and try again after a lengthy absence. I wouldn't say they was active if they haven't visted the site in 2 months. That brings your ratio way down. Your right about being able to find someone but that also depends on your definition of a true sb. Everyone has a different definition and alot include your known sex workers as a sb. The girl next door type is hard to find that hasn't already been disillusioned by dick pics and crude offers. It takes time to find and these girls.
Aswerty9111
03-19-17, 12:26
The math part is flawed somewhat. First it depends on what your consider active. Of that active number you quoted how many haven't visted their profile in the last 3 months? Once a girl has made a profile it stays until she deletes it. She may actually never check it again once she finds someone or decides its not for her. So she might not ever check it again, but it shows up on your active list. Some girls will come back and try again after a lengthy absence. I wouldn't say they was active if they haven't visted the site in 2 months. That brings your ratio way down. Your right about being able to find someone but that also depends on your definition of a true sb. Everyone has a different definition and alot include your known sex workers as a sb. The girl next door type is hard to find that hasn't already been disillusioned by dick pics and crude offers. It takes time to find and these girls.That and it's very fluid on the site. Many that come and go. THe cheescake factory analogy is right. You'll find some that want $ per meet, others looking for something long term.
The math part is flawed somewhat. First it depends on what your consider active. Of that active number you quoted how many haven't visted their profile in the last 3 months? Once a girl has made a profile it stays until she deletes it. She may actually never check it again once she finds someone or decides its not for her. So she might not ever check it again, but it shows up on your active list. Some girls will come back and try again after a lengthy absence. I wouldn't say they was active if they haven't visted the site in 2 months. That brings your ratio way down. Your right about being able to find someone but that also depends on your definition of a true sb. Everyone has a different definition and alot include your known sex workers as a sb. The girl next door type is hard to find that hasn't already been disillusioned by dick pics and crude offers. It takes time to find and these girls.Fair point in that I didn't get into the "margin of error" and other factors. By "active profiles" is was referring to profiles that are not deactivated, hidden, or otherwise excluded from a basic search. I also didn't factor in girls who make multiple accounts (which several do) or anything else along those lines. Nor did I adjust anything similarly for men.
Apologies if "active profiles" insinuated the number of ladies "currently actively seeking". The main purpose was to illustrate that even with those factors, it's not like there are 10 daddies competing for the same 1 POT in the area, which I think sometimes the ladies feel is the case. Also, while I see the benefit of a "band of brothers" approach, we have to take into account the potential side effects. For example, if one of use gives favorable comments about GirlX and suddenly she's getting dozens of messages out of the blue, she is more likely to consider herself much more in-demand to where she shifts into a GPS mindset. Great for HER if she gets a taker (value vs. Worth proposition as in real estate). But doesn't truly benefit the "band" in any way. Pros and Cons. Every situation has them, and everyone comes to their own conclusion. That's all.
I've been working on one SB for a few months now LOL. She is the cutest thing, and hasn't an idea what she's doing LOL. It's a lot of fun if you have the time to waste. I'm still not sure if it's ever going anywhere, but she is 100% totally new to all of this, so I've been very patient.
I'm thinking about talking to some new girls as well just in case this one doesn't pan out after another month or two. I definitely think you can be successful on SA though, and there are plenty of real girls there. But like the head guy at one of the local agencies once said in an email, "We like to be your "seeking arrangement. Like" resource where you get treated very well without all the BS, membership fees, runaround, meet and greet waste of time and so forth. ".
And he's right, but SA is fun too. .
Thanks for clearing the air. I think it would be fun to be in this Sugar Bowl. I think I am going to be off of BP since I have seen too much upsell lately and all the fun is gone.
I visited the SA website and read about it at several different places, so far so good. But, how is this going to work in this USSG website. I am not getting the point, sorry to be naive but I am not able to connect the dots. Are we on our own by going through the SA website, or are we sharing some info? If the conversation needs to be a closed one, please PM me. Also, I am looking for some SB this week or weekend. PM me if you would like to share some info.
Do you guys even bother with the girls who have written in their profiles that they have no desire for a sexual arrangement? I tend to not even bother with them, but I'm starting to wonder if I should.
Do you guys even bother with the girls who have written in their profiles that they have no desire for a sexual arrangement? I tend to not even bother with them, but I'm starting to wonder if I should.I've done both. If they say something like 'platonic ONLY' or 'online only' etc I don't even bother. They will either change their outlook or be gone from the site soon enough.
I HAVE met with those that say something like 'if you're interested in just sex move on'. That (to me) does not mean it's off the table, they just don't see themselves in that way. Just be nice and make a connection with them, and they'll get to the FC without issues. Of course, the rule applies that there is no sugar until / unless there is intimacy.
Yaya.
StormyTuesday
03-21-17, 17:00
I recently posted two suggested ground rules to help with local teamwork among the Raleigh forum, one of which was to post the POTs SA link. After going back and reading MbncMar's post (# 179) I realize my suggestion needs to be amended. MbncMar is correct, we should not post the POTs link on the forum as they will get bombarded with hits. IMO sharing a link in a PM is acceptable, but not on the open forum.
Has anyone had success with any of the asian girls on SA?
I talked to one of them for months, met with her twice for M&G and dinner. She was totally new to everything, visibly nervous, almost scared. So I gave her plenty of time and have been super patient. We texted daily. But I think she might be bi-polar for real after the last couple days, and an incident a couple months ago. I don't want to expose her in the open forum, but Seniors feel free to PM me for info on her bc I would suggest you stay away.
There's another one I've been talking to, she has a stripper pole in her wishlist. She's great to talk to, incredibly smart and I'm planning to meet her soon.
I don't know how most of you guys feel, but I like SA because it doesn't feel as business like as escorts. So I actually do want to have some kind of a connection with these girls. It's not just about the sex for me, but the sex is certainly mandatory LOL.
John HandCock
03-21-17, 18:53
I recently posted two suggested ground rules to help with local teamwork among the Raleigh forum, one of which was to post the POTs SA link. After going back and reading MbncMar's post (# 179) I realize my suggestion needs to be amended. MbncMar is correct, we should not post the POTs link on the forum as they will get bombarded with hits. IMO sharing a link in a PM is acceptable, but not on the open forum.LOL they put a profile up to be bombarded. The more messages they receive the more potential SD's to choose from. If they aren't interested in your profile or message they aren't going to answer you anyway. Also only paid members can contact them anyway so that eliminates most that are reading the post on here. New girls depending on their age bracket and looks will be bombarded with messages for a couple of weeks before things let up for them. Everyone attempts to get the new girl before she becomes educated so to speak. Posting a profile link also gives a somewhat credibility to ones posting. Also remember YMMV applies to this also. What you deem crazy, not worth the time or GPS might not be for someone else. Remember only paying members to SA can contact the girl.
StormyTuesday
03-21-17, 21:58
I have had one visit with KillinLife22 at her duplex in Lillington, a small town 20 minutes south of Raleigh. Abbie is a tall (5'9") mixed AA and although she listed her body type as average I would put it as athletic. Her apartment is a bit rough and for those brothers with BP experience this will remind you of a fayetteville type incall. But Abbie makes it worthwhile in the FC. She never brought up the $ topic and I gave her a card with 150. Two points for clarification. She did not offer to host during our initial messages but as luck would have it the host opportunity presented itself and I jumped on it. Also, there is a possibility she may have expected more than 150 as she has not reached out to me since my visit 3 weeks ago. PM me if you can not find her on SA or need more info.
I got a 1 month membership 4 months ago, and I can still message girls no problem. Is this normal?
LOL they put a profile up to be bombarded. The more messages they receive the more potential SD's to choose from. If they aren't interested in your profile or message they aren't going to answer you anyway. Also only paid members can contact them anyway so that eliminates most that are reading the post on here. New girls depending on their age bracket and looks will be bombarded with messages for a couple of weeks before things let up for them. Everyone attempts to get the new girl before she becomes educated so to speak. Posting a profile link also gives a somewhat credibility to ones posting. Also remember YMMV applies to this also. What you deem crazy, not worth the time or GPS might not be for someone else. Remember only paying members to SA can contact the girl.
John HandCock
03-22-17, 00:02
I got a 1 month membership 4 months ago, and I can still message girls no problem. Is this normal?No, once your membership runs out you can't send or read messages until you renew. You hit the jackpot if they screwed up. That's a first I've heard of that happening with SA.
Aswerty9111
03-22-17, 00:58
I got a 1 month membership 4 months ago, and I can still message girls no problem. Is this normal?Don't think so, mine expired on the dot. I think you get 10 free messages when registering? Maybe that carried over if you got a membership immediately?
MedJohnson
03-22-17, 06:29
Has anyone had success with any of the asian girls on SA?
I talked to one of them for months, met with her twice for M&G and dinner. She was totally new to everything, visibly nervous, almost scared. So I gave her plenty of time and have been super patient. We texted daily. But I think she might be bi-polar for real after the last couple days, and an incident a couple months ago. I don't want to expose her in the open forum, but Seniors feel free to PM me for info on her bc I would suggest you stay away.
There's another one I've been talking to, she has a stripper pole in her wishlist. She's great to talk to, incredibly smart and I'm planning to meet her soon.
I don't know how most of you guys feel, but I like SA because it doesn't feel as business like as escorts. So I actually do want to have some kind of a connection with these girls. It's not just about the sex for me, but the sex is certainly mandatory LOL.That has something about her overbearing Asian parents and wanting to get a lux apartment in raleigh. All about discretion but I had her real I'd in about 10 minutes- down to her father's name and occupation. I let her know how easy it was and she didn't seem to care. To dangerous for me.
Med.
Well, it's definitely happening. When I check my account "payments" tab, it shows that I have no active membership. But, the yellow premium tag still shows up by my name, and I've sent wayyyyy more than 10 messages since it should have expired.
I joined premium in December, paid the $50 first time joining fee or whatever it was, and have been messaging ever since. I guess I got lucky. For now?
Also, Donatello, mind clearing out a few PMs so I can hit you back?
No, once your membership runs out you can't send or read messages until you renew. You hit the jackpot if they screwed up. That's a first I've heard of that happening with SA.
ChevyGuy03
03-22-17, 16:12
Had the pleasure of meeting this lady today. Had a great time. She is all about making sure you are satisfied. We met for coffee by her place then came back to my home in Durham for some fun. She isn't a clock watcher, and she looks just like her photos. Those boobs are amazing. Just saying guys! Haha. Great attitude and I can't wait to see her again. If you guys have the pleasure of meeting with her please treat her well. You will be rewarded!
I'd suggest you all stay away from this one. She's just fishing for private photos, I think. I don't share private photos until I've talked to a lady for a while and 1st realize they're real, and 2nd that we have some common interests. It seems to me that so many of these girls first message is to "Request Private Photos. ".
As I told Natalie before she blocked me, I do not need her. She's there more for me than I am there for her. If she's only interested in photos and not a conversation, I just don't see the point.
BigPackFan
03-25-17, 20:35
I'd suggest you all stay away from this one. She's just fishing for private photos, I think. I don't share private photos until I've talked to a lady for a while and 1st realize they're real, and 2nd that we have some common interests. It seems to me that so many of these girls first message is to "Request Private Photos. ".
As I told Natalie before she blocked me, I do not need her. She's there more for me than I am there for her. If she's only interested in photos and not a conversation, I just don't see the point.The bowl is full of potential currently but seems like a bunch of flakes and time waisters on there right now. Had 2 no shows for meet and greets this weekend which has never happened.
Member #5790
03-27-17, 00:16
I got sick and tired of all the flakes and no shows and back and forth, so I decided to try a virtual arrangement (and I didn't get ripped off! If anyone is interested in filling in the gaps between the no shows and time wasters, I've had a very good experience with MollyBabyxxoxo. She is totally reliable (although sometimes the custom vids take a little while for her to find the time to make them). She's absolutely gorgeous, her rates are relatively reasonable and she's a sweetheart to boot. She sends me pics and custom vids. I've always gotten what I asked for. She has an amazon wishlist and I'll send things to her so she can make a vid for me. I would recommend setting a due date though. I've had good results with "I want X vid by why date" (usually 2-3 days for a custom vid). I realize virtual arrangements aren't for everyone, but when there's no fear of getting ripped off it's actually kinda fun. I told her I had a bad day the other day and she sent me a short freebie that totally made my day better. Try her out, just don't tell her who sent you.
She is so eager that my spidey sense antenna thinks it may be picking up something strange. But it could simply be paranoia. Does anyone know her:
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/0d682522-c8c9-42bd-ae0f-d374c9726d8c
PM is fine, if you prefer.
Thanks, guys. Good luck in the Final Four to those of you who are Tar Heel mongers. I appreciate any help.
GaltGuy.
RWarNmsn69
03-28-17, 07:37
SA ideas.
BrynnT is a sweet, sweet girl who loves to fuck, and really just needs some attention. I've done overnights with her and woke up in the middle of the night with my cock in her mouth. I can't link her profile because I don't want her to see me on it, but search for 25 years old, Raleigh, 5'"5. BrynnT. Offer $150.
EasternGlow is also a fuck freak, more attractive than Brynn, but harder to get in touch with. If she'll respond to you and you schedule, you better eat your Wheaties. She is a "recent" mommy and is a bit closer to a pro than Brynn, but not quite a pro. She sure as hell could be, however. She's worth the $200. https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/70179f0f-5c17-d91a-e829-7ac4eef53b1a.
Jacklynn33 might as well be a pro. But she will show up in a pinch, and in a hurry. https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/a3de8230-b23d-4676-bdd5-280392fc3469.
Now can anyone help me with TraceyR? https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/0d682522-c8c9-42bd-ae0f-d374c9726d8c.
Thanks, guys.Thank you GG! I've had my eye on Brynn.
"Brynn" is the wrong SA handle for the girl I was writing about. I just looked and the girl I saw must have removed her profile. I don't know the girl who's still on there with the similiar name. Different girl, though.
RWarNmsn69
03-28-17, 09:25
Thanks Thresh for starting this! I have been a long-time lurker on both the Raleigh BP and the Richmond Sugarbowl threads and finally glad to see someone create a SB thread for the 919. I've been off and on SA for the past few years and have had pretty good success both locally and quite a bit on the road too! (I'm a traveling sales exec. Hehe) SA has been my secret addiction with the occasional mongering but as some have stated. The BP quality has taken a nose dive. Plus, by the time you vett out the BP girls, you've practically spent just as much time as you would have on a POT.
Looking forward to contributing to this thread as I've picked up some tricks and lessons along the way and happy to share my experiences. BTW. Denver by far has the highest concentration of SB's I've ever seen. And they are all smoking hot.This thread is awesome! I spent most of the night reading it. Thanks guys!
RWarNmsn69
03-28-17, 09:43
"Brynn" is the wrong SA handle for the girl I was writing about. I just looked and the girl I saw must have removed her profile. I don't know the girl who's still on there with the similiar name. Different girl, though.Thanks for the update!
Too bad I'm a liberal. Don't think Brynn would like me too much based on her profile LOL. But seriously, fantastic report. Thank you.
RWarNmsn69
03-28-17, 19:07
Look for the sweetest thing. She knows the deal and is a just a quick m&g. 150, zero tits, long legs, good BJ, likes rough play, and party favors are optional if that's your thing. I think she has some demons but nothing with needles. She's reliable. Share more please, I have more in the bank if others share positive ones.Thanks MbncMar! I'm new to the SD / SB scene and hopefully she will be my first.
Rwarnmsn.
AsWerty911
03-28-17, 19:34
Just to contribute something.
Met with MissRoseMichellee recently. Unimpressed. Not nearly as attractive as the pics. Cold is a harsh word, but very matter of fact.
Lux Lestat pics are misleading. Probably her but photoshopped some, not nearly as thin as it suggests. But she's got a good attitude. I personally am on the site mostly to get a good dance since the clubs suck around here. She's got some decent moves.
StormyTuesday
03-29-17, 10:26
Just to contribute something.
Met with MissRoseMichellee recently. Unimpressed. Not nearly as attractive as the pics. Cold is a harsh word, but very matter of fact.
Lux Lestat pics are misleading. Probably her but photoshopped some, not nearly as thin as it suggests. But she's got a good attitude. I personally am on the site mostly to get a good dance since the clubs suck around here. She's got some decent moves.PM me if anyone needs Lux Lestat FB intel.
StormyTuesday
03-29-17, 19:17
I put an alert out a month or so ago on LostNoMore, a 22 yr old mixed Thai / Japanese / White Sb that I took to the FC about 8 times over several months. She always liked to play head games (almost with extortionist intentions) about my SO (name, etc) and I would have bailed on her after a few visits but she was getting her own apartment in March. I had been in the hunt for a "hoster" with good FC skills and was anxious to cut the hotel expense out of my routine. But 2 weeks prior she tried to bump the $$ up to $$$ and I cut her off. Starting a few weeks ago she would randomly try to get back up with me and today her true colors once again shined bright and clear. She wanted me to visit her today (no surprise, rent is due on Saturday) but she insisted I give her my home address if she was going to give me her new address (I know which apartment complex, just not the apt number). Unbelievable.
I would suspect many of us would like to have one or more SBs that can host, after all, it saves $ 60 to 90 plus often makes the 9 am to 3 pm window available. The "hosters" are out there, you just have to find them by luck or by playing the numbers. I suddenly have 3 hosters, 2 of which I see regularly. If I had known 4 months ago there were more hosters than I realized then I would have kicked the wacko thai girl to the curb the first time she started quizzing me about my SO.
Member #5790
03-30-17, 00:50
Reading the post about Lostnomore reminded me that I should warn you all about London. Our first meeting was lunch, second meeting was fantastic, she was almost overly sensual, multiple pops, the whole 9 yards. I'll leave out the details but the next day she texts to let me know she knows all about my family, where I live, everything. Then tried to extort money out of me. I'm still not sure how she found it all out. All I can think of is that she saw my name on my credit card when I paid for lunch, even though I was careful. Rookie mistake. Be very careful out there guys as not all of these girls are sweet and innocent!
Reading the post about Lostnomore reminded me that I should warn you all about London. Our first meeting was lunch, second meeting was fantastic, she was almost overly sensual, multiple pops, the whole 9 yards. I'll leave out the details but the next day she texts to let me know she knows all about my family, where I live, everything. Then tried to extort money out of me. I'm still not sure how she found it all out. All I can think of is that she saw my name on my credit card when I paid for lunch, even though I was careful. Rookie mistake. Be very careful out there guys as not all of these girls are sweet and innocent!Whenever I meet in public whether its for lunch or coffee, etc I ALWAYS pay in cash. Once I made the mistake of using a CC on a trip to VS with my SB and she saw my name on the machine, which was different than what she knew me by. I quickly recovered by saying I trusted her now, but was internally kicking myself! Nothing bad came out of it but still a valuable lesson learned.
Yaya.
StormyTuesday
03-30-17, 15:36
Whenever I meet in public whether its for lunch or coffee, etc I ALWAYS pay in cash. Once I made the mistake of using a CC on a trip to VS with my SB and she saw my name on the machine, which was different than what she knew me by. I quickly recovered by saying I trusted her now, but was internally kicking myself! Nothing bad came out of it but still a valuable lesson learned.
Yaya.Agreed, always pay for lunch or coffee with cash. I leave my wallet locked in my glove box but I do bring in a CC and DL at check in. If the SB is walking in with me I have her sit in the lobby and then at the counter I do not say my name, I just say I have a reservation and hand them my CC and DL. Then I have a secret zipped pocket in my knapsack I put them in.
RWarNmsn69
03-30-17, 16:19
Agreed, always pay for lunch or coffee with cash. I leave my wallet locked in my glove box but I do bring in a CC and DL at check in. If the SB is walking in with me I have her sit in the lobby and then at the counter I do not say my name, I just say I have a reservation and hand them my CC and DL. Then I have a secret zipped pocket in my knapsack I put them in.You guys continue to impress me with your invaluable advice and lessons learned. Oh yeah, I think I received my first block today from "Shakira Ford".
BigPackFan
03-30-17, 20:00
Had any luck with Anr93? She stays in for site basically 24/7 and will read a message but won't respond.
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