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Freckle Freak
01-19-16, 12:06
The story of Ursula the Sea Witch AKA Star Baby is true but as we all know in the hobby there is always another side to every story. So what is really the truth and what are lies. I guess only Ursula can dispute the story, however several mongers on the board know many of the things to be discussed. Some have also invested in her with no return on the investment. Many of the things being reported can be substantiated with pictures, receipts texts and even voice recordings. Those will not be allowed to be presented according to A2 on this blog. However they are available to a few mongers that I trust when the time comes. It's important to note at this time that I believe the person who has really been scammed the most by her, is her current fianc, BF or the old hoosierdaddie. Now we know him as Jim, which is the name she uses for him based on her recent post as "Highly Reviewed" in regards to the PM's being sent out with her phone number, so I will use it also. This wasn't evident until the end of the story.
Chapter One: The Introduction.
I met Star late last summer and was introduced to her by a monger on this board. He said a young lady who was very UTR needed to make some money. He told me how to find her reviews and pictures back when she was a well known provider. After my research I decided to give her a try. Now this was before Ursula ever became a name on this board. At the time I saw her she was just a UTR provider. In mid-August we met at the Travelodge in Sellersburg. Even though she didn't have freckles I thought her ability and performance was incredible and we seemed to click. She seemed healthy, no marks, a little hyper but that was enjoyable. She was easy to get along with. She was a GF experience with CFS. The next time she and I met it was at my place sometime in early September of 2015. She came up and spent the night. Again she seemed clean and very calm. Now these are the ONLY two times I was ever with her as a provider. From this point forward she and I NEVER did engage in any services.
During September she would use google voice to text or call me now on occasion. She told me about an ex hobbyist that she was living with and how things weren't going well and that she enjoyed playing around. She also told me she was in a bad accident a couple of years ago and had discs missing in her back and was on a narcotic pain medicine and it was being managed by a pain clinic in Louisville. On 9/19/15 she texted me asking if she could come live with me because things were bad with Jim and she needed a fresh start. I then told her to call me and we would discuss it. She told me things were not going well at home that she was being verbally abused and she needed to get away. That she loved Jim but didn't think it was going to work. I asked her if he had hit her or physically attacked her. She said no and she didn't think he would. She said he had a stroke recently and had been very controlling since then and things just were not right. She said she was a nurse and she would quit her job and move to my place in a Northside suburb of Indy and find a job there because she made good money. She only needed some place to stay for a couple of months until she could save up and get her own place. I told her I would provide her a safe place to stay with NO strings attached. I have had other providers stay with me in the past and never required them to provide me services for my hospitality. She did tell me she had a dog that she wanted to bring with her. No mention of any children at this point.
Freckle Freak
01-19-16, 12:15
On 9/20/15 she called me and told me Jim wouldn't give her the prescription pain pills and he hid them. She knew someone from her past that had some for sale could I wire her some money. I decided to drive down to see this for myself. We drove down to 7th and Phyllis where I lent her $80. I waited in the parking lot of a rundown brick apartment complex while she walked into a housing complex to get them. Now understand from this point forward she clearly understood that each time money was exchanged it was a loan until she could pay me back from her paychecks or when she moved to Indy and pay me back then. On 9/24/15 she called me and said things were bad and he had flushed her prescription down the toilet and she needed money to get more pills. She couldn't get the prescription filled again until the first of the month. I drove down and lent her $100 and took her to the same place. At this time I felt it was on the up and up. Again it was only 8 pills each time and I took her back to her and Jims place in Jeffersonville and dropped her off down the street from their house. She didn't seem high and did not show any signs of addiction that I could tell. On 9/30/15 she texted and said she was done and needed a way out. She was going to see some clients, save the money, buy her car from Jim and move up to Indy. On this day she needed money to get a room because she had a client that was going to see her. I asked her why he didn't pay for it and she keep the balance of the contribution. She told me he was skittish about this and wouldn't do it. Also said it was only a $140 hhr appointment. She also said she had no money for gas, covers, and she hadn't eaten all day because Jim wouldn't help her out. I wired her $180.00, with the fee the total cost was $192.50. Then on 10/5/15 she called me and needed $1,220.00 to pay Jim the balance owed on the car. She tried to get $1000 from me but I refused. Later she said another monger was going to give her $1 k so she only needed $220. The total cost with wire fee was $232.50. My gut rumbled a little on this one but I let it go. Now each time I wired the money to her I had to put the address down, a place off of Circle Valley Drive, so she could use her Kentucky I'd to get the money. She said it was her old address where she lived and she never had changed it. This time I told her that was it and wanted to know when she would move. She said in the next couple of days. A couple of days later she texted me that she was leaving that afternoon and would be driving up to Indy. Later that night she calls me and said she got in an accident on the way up and the car was damaged and she couldn't make it. Jim was having the car towed back home. On 10/11/15 she told me Jim threw her pills in the dumpster and she was in severe pain from the accident. I wired her $112.50 for her pills because she had to go back on the street to get them because the pharmacy wouldn't refill them this soon because they were a narcotic. At this point I am over $700 in the hole with her and even more considering all the gas I had used to drive back and forth. Never did we exchange services, I was trying to help and I don't work that way. She kept on promising to pay me back with her pay checks. This is where the story gets interesting.
Freckle Freak
01-19-16, 12:17
Star is a master manipulator and habitual liar. Her stories grow and she is very good at backing them up. I knew something was fishy but she kept pointing to the bad relationship and I couldn't risk Jim finding out in case things got violent. Besides do any providers come without some type of drama?
Around the middle of October I told her I needed to get paid back some of the money I had lent her. I mean why couldn't she, she had a job, lived free with Jim was seeing other mongers UTR, so she had money. Well then the kids hit the story line. She had kids with her ex-boyfriend I will call Brad. They lived with him and he didn't have much money because he had just bought a house that year and worked for his father. She was paying for all of the kid's medical and living expenses. They also had medical problems that were expensive. She also shared living expenses with Jim. So this was one excuse. The other was that she only got paid every two weeks and when I first asked for money she had just been paid and didn't have any money left over until her next paycheck. I asked about family and could they help her out. She said her adoptive parents were dead, her Bio mom was out of state and not on good terms, her half -brother and sister didn't have any money and they weren't on good terms anyway and her grandmother was on SSI and couldn't help her out. The drama at home had increased. She would call me and let me listen to Jim and her fighting over the phone. She even said he had even threatened her with a gun, but she loved him and didn't call the police. I asked if he had been physically violent with her yet and she said no. I couldn't understand why she just didn't get in her car and leave. Well remember the car accident? Jim was repairing it and she couldn't drive it. From 10/11/15 until 10/24/15 I drove down a couple of times to pick her up and bring her back to Indy. Every time I got there she has some excuse or the kids didn't want her to leave. She made up other excuses like she had to move her furniture to a monger's house so it was safe. This monger was supposedly someone that had rented her an apartment in his basement in the past. Every time she tried to move her furniture out Jim would throw a fit and not allow anyone on the property.
On the 20th of October she contacts me to come down and pick her up, she is ready to leave. I head down about 1:00 pm. We talk on the phone. The kids were at the house and Jim had pulled a shotgun out and she had called the police. She said the police arrived and Jim had calmed down and they had no evidence other than her word that he had pulled out the shotgun so they couldn't arrest him. She told the police that she was leaving for Indy and they said because they were called out she needed to go down to Jeffersonville and talk to CPS. I asked about the kids and she said Brad's girlfriend had picked them up. At CPS she was told that she could leave town for the night but would have to come back and sign papers because she and Brad had joint custody. If she left town, Brad would be the sole caretaker and she needed to sign the kids over to him temporarily. Now at this point I was already in town. I told her that was fine we would come back the next day and sign the papers. Then she called me and told me that Brad had just reminded her about her daughters myringotomy the next day, that he had to work and she didn't trust his girlfriend to take her daughter. Besides it was a major operation she needed to be there for her. This all happened around 7 pm and I went back to Indy she went to Brads for the night.
Now you have to realize that at this point I had not given any more money to her since October 11th. She had repeatedly told me she was moving to Indy. She even told some other mongers on the board that she was moving to Indy that I learned about through PM's. I had not seen any signs of addiction so I believed, with skepticism, her stories. I still had no repayment from her. She had quit her job already and she would have three paychecks issued to her for vacation severance in the next couple of weeks and she would pay me back then. Also she was coming to Indy she could find a job and repay me then.
One interesting point to bring out is when she called me on her actual cell phone number she knew Jim was checking all her calls. She told me that if I ever received a text or call from him to tell him that I was Katies (yes the SW, ex-girlfriend, Katy) uncle and that I was helping Katy get clean. I let Katy use my phone from time to time and have no idea who she talks to. This did work for a short time, but eventually Jim blocked my number.
Freckle Freak
01-19-16, 12:19
October 21st she spent the day at the hospital with her daughter and has not been back home. October 22nd she goes back to Jim's to pack. He pulls out a gun and she had to call the police. She was locked up in the kids room with a pistol, that she has a concealed carry permit for, waiting for the swat team to show up. When they do she comes out but once again no evidence that Jim had a gun on her. So he didn't go to jail. She is packing and wants me to come tomorrow, but I can't so she is going to stay at Brads until Saturday. On Saturday I drive down and I can't call her real cell phone number because my number is still blocked. We communicate through a text app that she downloaded and has been using with me for the past few weeks. I pick her up at night. She says Jim has her I'd's and bank cards and won't give them back. Without these she can't get money out of the bank but she does have her prescription pain medicine. We load up the car and head back to Indy. I had a busy day on Sunday and left the house early in the morning. Star was asleep in her own room. Around 1 pm she texts me that she needs to get out and that Brad drove up with the kids and picked her up. I thought she was just going out for a while and coming back. It wasn't until later I found out that she went back to Louisville. Now all of her clothes and personal items are still in Indy, so I was not concerned.
On Monday she contacts me and said the car will be ready soon but Jim won't let her take it unless she puts the title and registration in her name. Once again she needs $200.00 for this and insurance. Now I have all her belongings, so I wire her the money, $212.50 including wire fees. She said she can pay me back soon because her severance check is direct deposit and she will have the money on Friday. So once again I fall for the scam.
More to chapters to come soon.
That's funny, seems like I have heard this story before real time. It is not any funnier in print but sometimes just as fantastical. If you didn't know it was true you would think it not all possible. Trust me, it gets better.
Member #5024
01-19-16, 14:34
To what was written as factual and true. Wait for the following chapters it gets better.
And the lady didn't even have freckles Me I just lost money on a good meal, an expensive room lies, and shit service with some BS spread in between Gives new meaning to be careful who you try and help and do better research Can't wait to read the rest of the ongoing saga so as Paul Harvey would say AND NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY LOL.
OMG this is beyond belief! Incredible. Can't wait to see how it continues. Wow.
Freckle Freak
01-19-16, 15:48
On Tuesday the 27th she now has the title and registration for the car. Now remember she has a Kentucky license that she has been using to get the wire transfers so based on that the car would have to be registered in the state of Kentucky and this is what she told me. On the 28th she is ready to leave and drive up but Jim took her drivers license and cut it up so she couldn't leave. I wire her $50.00 for gas and to go get a new license. Total cost with wire fees is $62.50. But wait, how can she get the money with no license? Well she goes to the same Kroger and they have her info on file so she doesn't need it. Seems logical, NOT, but I missed this and screwed up. Now on the 29th she is ready to leave but the car won't start because the key switch is broken so I have to drive down and pick her up in the early evening. She was staying at Brads but his girlfriend took her to Jeffersonville and dropped her off at Jim's house where I picked her and the dog up. She said she left her prescriptions at Brads and he wasn't home, the girlfriend had gone to work and she didn't have a key to the house. Brads dad had the kids because Brad was at work. So once again we headed to her pharmacist to pick up some pills and another $100. I asked her if I could see them when she got back in the car but she had already taken two and the rest were in her pussy in case she was stopped leaving the pharmacist's house. I just wanted to get home so off we went, Star, dog and me. The whole way back to Indy she is texting Brad, who by now is home, because her daughter was so upset with her leaving. We get home and now she said Brad was going to come up so her daughter could see her and bring the money order. Later she said he decided not to because the kids were too tired. I wake up the next morning and Star is gone. Brad came up in the middle of the night and picked her and the dog up. She did leave me a note that I found in the morning. I was pissed that once again someone had come to my home on the Northside of Indy to pick her up and she didn't even bother to wake me.
By the way she was supposed to have $500 that Brad had taken out earlier in the day but he hadn't come home from work before she left. They have a joint bank account so he has access to her money for the kids. When I asked about why he didn't bring it with him and leave it when he drove up she said he forgot it. She said Brad deposited the cash back into her account the next day because he didn't like carrying that much around with him.
So things get a little fuzzy here because a lot was happening and some of my texts got deleted. The next chapter is not exact but I will do my best to muddle through on this part, one of the best parts of the story.
SouthHunter74
01-19-16, 16:23
Great piece of writing. You should do a book under your surname of Freckle Freak. Without knowing about this story I'm just going to go ahead and guess that there was No Brad, no kids, no Jim, just a good actress, a bad addiction problem, and her delusional thoughts. Look forward to hearing the ending.
Member #6042
01-19-16, 17:31
This is waaaay too much for me to read. However since you took the time to create a blog dedicated to her I'm going to go with the kiss summary: star is bad.
This is waaaay too much for me to read. However since you took the time to create a blog dedicated to her I'm going to go with the kiss summary: star is bad.Where's the frickin "like this post" button?
SwizzleStick
01-19-16, 18:27
http://youtu.be/M0tVjThXFxY
BigGuyUAteMe
01-19-16, 19:02
If this wasn't true it would still be a good read, I know Freckle Freak and I know him as a truthful, honest and a caring person. I know there are some people that would say you should not trust anyone, but I too have trusted people I wanted to believe in, and in a very, very, very few times it's has paid off (OK only once, in the hobby) . It's easy to be hard and uncaring, but I think we have all wanted to believe in someone or something and got let down.
BG,
Some times you can't give trust or respect!
At least know that you tried to be a good person.
KaintuckMan
01-19-16, 19:07
This reminds me of the big con in the movie "The Sting" so far. Con artists are always perfecting their trade.
BigGuyUAteMe
01-19-16, 19:08
I couldn't understand half of what they were trying to say?
http://youtu.be/M0tVjThXFxY
LancePkrbttm
01-19-16, 19:31
A Star was born and now seems to have fizzled out. Sad to see.
A Star was born and now seems to have fizzled out. Sad to see.At one point in time she had the potential to be SuperStar.
BigBull004
01-19-16, 20:14
Very interesting. Good job so far.
LancePkrbttm
01-19-16, 20:33
At one point in time she had the potential to be SuperStar.Agreed. She has a look that is just adorable. Only spent time with her once in the garagépartment and the infamous sectional. Had wanted to see her again. But I repeat infrequently and sometimes have long periods of time between visits. Just never got to it before she "retired" and became the Sea Witch. Suppose I'm lucky I didn't get drawn in like this. Because I probably liked her enough to.
Member #5024
01-19-16, 21:03
Yes that's her from years ago. Remnant of a collapsing Star.
This star.
MillitaryMan69
01-19-16, 21:24
It's easy to be hard and uncaring .. Dot dot
At least know that you tried to be a good person.I just see this so differently. Hard doesn't mean uncaring. The best lessons you learn in life are hard lessons. Trying to be a good person is not the same as being naive.
I feel like sympathy and empathy are confused here. Be empathetic but not sympathetic. There was a very wise president who would say "trust but verify".
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=As6y5eI01XE
Pussy, fucking men's lives up since the beginning of time LOL! Wow, what a comedy / tradgedy of errors. And yet, we men can not do without the most precious / evil / addictive / amazing thing known to us, women! Look at the wreckage this crazy fucked girl did to the Jim guy. What an idiot he is? Sure, of course he is, and we all laughed and knew this would happen to him. Told him so repeatedly, but he did not care. The pussy was too alluring and intoxicating, it is a sweet poison. We can no more resist it than we can resist breathing air into our lungs. Pussy drove this guy nuts (pulling guns, life in turmoil 24/7), and damn near killed him with health issues (a stroke). And he ASKED for and PAID for this misery. Crazy. Then frecklefreak, what are you doing guy? Holy shit, just throwing out money left and right, for nothing! I saw right in the beginning of the story that she was gaming you, how could you not see it? Oh I know how you couldn't. The goddamn pussy had you man. I'm judging neither guy, I've been an idiot over pussy too. Every guy has been trust me, they are lying if they say otherwise. This story is exhibit 1 A that the sweet stuff between a woman's legs and all the things attached to it, completely 100% rule this world.
[Heard a disturbing tale of intrigue from an attorney. He knew of a widower who let a girl he had seen move in with him. About two weeks later cops came to his business and arrested him for domestic abuse. She got an automatic restraining order which essentially kicked him out of his house. When he went back to get belongings with the cops he found she was trying to break into his safe. But he was out mucho dinero for lawyers not to mention missing belongings.
UnableToBeMe
01-20-16, 00:17
Maybe this will make you forget The Sea Witch.
I just see this so differently. Hard doesn't mean uncaring. The best lessons you learn in life are hard lessons. Trying to be a good person is not the same as being naive.
I feel like sympathy and empathy are confused here. Be empathetic but not sympathetic. There was a very wise president who would say "trust but verify".
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=As6y5eI01XENo I'm not hard I'm hurt I loved her with all my heart and she stepped on it seeing mongers for dope money not including what she stole tried to separate me from my family and friends but she failed.
This star.Yeah that star ursula or whoever she is I called her baby girl truth is shed a heroin junkyyou all keep seeing her and it won't stop till she is dead now I checked her in to rehab yesterday best thing you can do for her is ignore her let her money source dry up she always said we met for a reason maybe this is the reason to save her life.
This star.Sad so much potential.
Member #5077
01-20-16, 04:19
Freckle Freak I hate that you had to go through all that and I appreciate your posting. Just shows you have to keep your guard up at all times.
Be safe,
Mamba out!
FF. Doing a great service posting these events. I write this not for the narrow view of the folks involved, but for showing this is really a game we are involved and since most of us dude players did not grow up hard on the streets we can be easily played since we misunderstand or do NOT even know the rules until we play a few times.
Now, when will you post other parts? While we are all waiting folks might want to watch hot girls wanted.
http://variety.com/2015/film/markets-festivals/hot-girls-wanted-netflix-sundance-rashida-jones-1201420779/
BigGuyUAteMe
01-20-16, 10:48
Very good analogy, I just call this pussy stupid, it happens all the time! Been there done that.
BG.
Pussy, fucking men's lives up since the beginning of time LOL! Wow, what a comedy / tradgedy of errors. And yet, we men can not do without the most precious / evil / addictive / amazing thing known to us, women! Look at the wreckage this crazy fucked girl did to the Jim guy. What an idiot he is? Sure, of course he is, and we all laughed and knew this would happen to him. Told him so repeatedly, but he did not care. The pussy was too alluring and intoxicating, it is a sweet poison. We can no more resist it than we can resist breathing air into our lungs. Pussy drove this guy nuts (pulling guns, life in turmoil 24/7), and damn near killed him with health issues (a stroke). And he ASKED for and PAID for this misery. Crazy. Then frecklefreak, what are you doing guy? Holy shit, just throwing out money left and right, for nothing! I saw right in the beginning of the story that she was gaming you, how could you not see it? Oh I know how you couldn't. The goddamn pussy had you man. I'm judging neither guy, I've been an idiot over pussy too. Every guy has been trust me, they are lying if they say otherwise. This story is exhibit 1 A that the sweet stuff between a woman's legs and all the things attached to it, completely 100% rule this world.
It
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That's what we called it. Same meaning. It sure seems to me he is still hoping her life turns around so they can be together. Jim that is. You make your own bed.I'm going to take the high road here and bow out nothing to do with pussy could have ought a lot of pussy with what was taken from me I did what I did because I truly care about her and hoped to save her and I'm still trying to help her you guys do what you want don't judge me till you walk in my shoes is it not possible to care about someone you will got to great lengths to help them which is what I'm plan on doing reguardless of the outcome she is at rock bottom no home no clothes no phone I know what I'm going to do like I said you all can do what you want I have no desire to see her wind up dead. Found on street or in hotel room dead I used to know a girl who had same problems she was found dead in a motel room from drug overdose so yeah make fun of me for caring and having a heart if it makes feel better or you get a laugh out of it this is no joking matter we are talking about a human being who I won't turn my back on at least not yet I pray she gets her act together she is worth saving and coming from me that says a lot good luck to you all and yes I am jim.
Robert1122
01-20-16, 14:12
Reading this is like going to the dentist. We don't want to, but have to. Well, we have all been there to some degree.
I remember that sectional couch and all those noises. She was great IMO at one time.
BigGuyUAteMe
01-20-16, 16:43
That is some funny shit!
BG.
Just wait for it, Brad will get his in the end. Buaaaahhhhh.
Freckle Freak
01-20-16, 16:58
This is a blog about Ursula the Sea Witch aka Star Baby, not a fight thread. BigFatOne has the right to tell his side of the story as long as he does it with some respect to the board. Those of you that want to jump his shit have every right to do it but take it to the fight thread, it doesn't belong on this blog.
Just remember we all are in a hobby that mainstream society does not approve of. What if one day you came home and found your wife in bed playing around with another man and later found out she had been doing lot's of men on the side and that's where all the new diamond jewelry came from. It's happened. Put yourself in his place, even if it's for a miniscule second or two.
More chapters to come.
FF.
P.S. If it was my freckled wife playing around I wouldn't be pissed as long as she let me watch!
SouthHunter74
01-20-16, 17:01
It is so easy for us to see the "Pussy stupid" disease in others, but we cannot see it in ourselves. Not a one amongst us can honestly say at one time or another we haven't had it. What causes this condition? The constant flow of compliments, the sick hot ass, laying next to a woman of your dreams after you ve banged it out for a few hours and she says "You re the only one, I love you"? Or just a mixture of all three that we eventually buy into.
Peejay2015
01-20-16, 18:41
Maybe this will make you forget The Sea Witch.Who is this doll? I'd travel from NJ to see her!
BigGuyUAteMe
01-21-16, 10:20
There is different ways to look at pussy stupid, some guys just fall in love, some never got much pussy and settled for comfortable, some people just click, most men love to have sex.
I have had a lot of sex, women all shape and size and nationalities, been married had live ins and out of all these Ladies, I found 5 that were crazy good! , I'm sure a few of you fellows have found it! That's when the sex so good it will make you do things you normally wouldn't do for any other woman.
That's crazy good! And it will make you pussy stupid!
BG.
It is so easy for us to see the "Pussy stupid" disease in others, but we cannot see it in ourselves. Not a one amongst us can honestly say at one time or another we haven't had it. What causes this condition? The constant flow of compliments, the sick hot ass, laying next to a woman of your dreams after you ve banged it out for a few hours and she says "You re the only one, I love you"? Or just a mixture of all three that we eventually buy into.
Freckle Freak
01-21-16, 10:46
October 30th Star texts me that she was sorry she had left and things at Jim's were not going well. I keep asking about the money and could she go to the bank and take money out and deposit it into my account. Well remember her license had been cut up so she couldn't do it and of course Brad was always leaving early for work and coming home late so he couldn't do it. She said she was going to stay through Halloween with the kids and talk to Jim to see if they could work things out. November 2nd Star texts me and said things are bad and she needs to leave. The car isn't fixed yet, she has no license so she can't get money can I please come get her. I drive down and pick her and the dog up. Of course without the license she can't get her prescriptions so we go over and I give her another $100 for her pharmacist and pain meds. Ok I know it's getting old but she is coming back up and all her belongings are at the house including the sex swing that she brought up with her a few days ago. Now remember I never requested anything from her sexually and we never did anything sexual the entire time that she was at my house. However I have to admit the sex swing was enticing but it was never hung up and used. The whole way up she is texting with the Jim. She says Jim is very apologetic and wants to work things out. We stop by Walmart and pick up some shampoo and conditioner because she left it at home. When we get to the house she talks to me about Jim and what she should do. She loves him but just doesn't think things will work. However she tells me she just found out she is several months pregnant with Jim's twins. She also tells me she gave birth to another set of twins with him late last year and they are in an open adoption until she and Jim can work things out. She said CPS won't let them come back to the house until February of 2016 when they will review the case and situation at home. Ok this is getting good, open adoption of a set of twins and another set on the way. You couldn't make this shit up any better than this. Before I go to bed I tell her that if she ever left in the middle of the night without telling me like she did the last time, she wouldn't be allowed back. I go to bed she is still up texting with Jim. She comes in and wakes me up around 2 am and said she is leaving. What, with whom? Jim is here and picking her up. WTF, why would you give Jim my address and why are you leaving? She said she has to try to work things out and she told him this wasn't where she was staying that it was a friend of her Uncles, that's me at this time of the story, and she came down to this address to meet him so he wouldn't know where I lived. You see I was her uncle Jason at this time of the story and she was staying with uncle Jason and aunt Dana. She takes the dog and leaves with Jim who is sitting in my driveway. Before she leaves I tell her to go and get a license tomorrow, go to the bank and get some money out because I'm done helping her out monetarily. She is about $1,400 in the hole at this time. Now I really haven't caught her in a lie yet that I can prove and she does have all of her stuff at my house. I also have several mongers PMing me that they know her well, they are happy I'm helping her out and she has never scammed anyone before, so I move on.
Freckle Freak
01-21-16, 10:48
November 3rd she texts me again that she made a mistake in coming back. Jim is threating her again this time he hit her and she needs to get out. I tell her I can't get there today but I tell her to contact a good monger friend of ours, the one that introduced us (yes, you are still a friend even after this, LOL), and maybe he can help. I call him and he is free. He had already wired her $200 sometime in the past at my request for some reason I can't remember. He agreed to go to Louisville, pick her up and bring her to Indy. I tell him to make sure she gets her new driver's license while they are in Louisville. Star tells him that because she and Jim were fighting so much she was picked up by one of her friends and dropped off at Katie's with the dog. Katie lives in the same location where the pharmacist is located. Wow what a surprise. Star needs $200 from the monger to pay Katie back for the money she fronted Star to get her a ride from Jim's and once again get her pain meds. Now at this point the monger friend is out $400. He picks up Star and the dog and while he is waiting for her to get her meds, he sees Katie head out to the street to make some money. He said she looked HOT! I have never seen Katie. When Star gets back I tell him to go get her new license. Star tells him it's election day and the license branches are closed so they head back. When I find this out I google Kentucky license branches and call one near their location and guess what, they are open. So I call my monger friend and tell him about the branch that is open. Star tells him that branch doesn't do drivers licenses so I call the one that she says does and it's open but of course it's on the other side of town. They go there and she goes in but they are closing so she can't get it. I found out later that it didn't close for another hour and she lied. So Star, the dog and the monger friend head to Indy. I meet them at my house and he leaves. After he is gone, I tell Star that she needs to come up with some money to pay me and my monger friend back. She said she will work out his money in trade in the future. She promises to contact Brad and have him get money out of their account in the next day or two. She says she is finished with Jim since he has now been physical with her. At this time things are looking up and seems like she will be staying for longer than 8 hours which is the most she has ever stayed.
Freckle Freak
01-21-16, 10:49
Star and I had some time to talk the night of November the 3rd. She told me about the twins and the pregnancy and then she told me she had used heroine in the past with both Katie and Brad. That before she met Jim she used it fairly regularly because of the pain she was in from the accident and it worked very similar to the prescription pain pills she got from the pain clinic. She said she had mainlined in the past but she preferred to snort or smoke it. She told me she was addicted to it in the past and had detoxed herself and was now clean. I asked her if she was still using. She said the pain pills and pain management worked well and she only used heroine recreationally now and then. I told her an addict can never use their drug of choice recreationally and she was playing with fire. I also told he that if she ever brought any type of drug into my house that was not prescribed she would be out on the street immediately. She agreed. Then she asked me something that I should have taken more to heart as a cry for help. She knew I had lived with an ex-provider who was also an addict. She knew the story about how I was able to get her into a rehab facility, became involved in Narcotics Anonymous, worked the program with her and she was now a recovering addict 4 years clean. She knew I also had helped others become recovering addicts. You see addicts are never cured; they just use or don't use. The ones that don't are recovering addicts. Star asked me how long did it take for your ex to get clean and did it work? I should have recognized that this was a cry for help. I now wish I had caught it. I did ask her if she thought she was addicted to the pain meds. She said no she is very careful how she uses them. All my intuition should have told me she was lying, but I believed her. Star, I apologize that I didn't catch your cry for help. And based on me missing this I realize now that I enabled your addiction from this point forward.
Freckle Freak
01-21-16, 10:52
So this night has been very productive communication so far, twins, pregnancy and admission to using Heroine. Now for the good part. Star said she is scared of something and needed to talk to me about it. She tells me about her adoptive parents and half-brother. Her adoptive parents were very wealthy and owned a huge international electronics enterprise. She just found out that they died over a year ago and just received word that she was going to inherit a lot of money, but some of it would go to her half-brother. She said she would know more in a week or two and she was meeting with the lawyers on November 12th. I asked what sum of money are we talking about? She told me she thinks it's around 28 million and it's been in a trust because she hadn't had any contact with her adoptive parents in years and she didn't even know they had passed away. The lawyers handling the estate had been trying to reach her for almost a year. She wanted me to come with her because she didn't trust Jim. I asked why didn't she trust Jim and why was she scared? She said she owed Jim over $100,000 for all the money she had spent on drugs and she didn't want him to stay with her for the money, only if he really loved her. She said she was scared because she had worked hard to be clean and the money would make it too easy to go out and get high. I told her with that kind of money pay Jim back and then work on the relationship. Put some of the money in a trust for her and Brad's kids and both sets of twins and then invest the rest and have a set monthly amount to live on. Have someone monitor the account and make sure you aren't abusing the money for drugs and get involved in NA and do some good with your life. With that kind of money you can make an impact on so many lives including your kids. I told her even if she didn't stay with Jim she needed to do the right thing and pay him back with interest. She asked if I would be willing to go with her to the lawyers if she decided she didn't want Jim there. I said that was fine and to let me know. She said she had a lot to think about and would talk to me about it tomorrow.
Freckle Freak
01-21-16, 10:54
Now all the time that we are talking on the evening of the 3rd she is supposedly texting Brad and the kids. Around 9:30 pm she says that her daughter is very anxious and having breathing problems because Star is gone. Now her daughter has some medical issues, at least that is what I was told by Star. About 11 pm Star tells me that Brad took their daughter to the emergency room because she was having mild seizures and the medication that normally works wasn't working. About one in the morning Star comes into my room and wakes me up. She said her daughter is being admitted to the hospital and she needs to go back to Louisville in the morning. Hey at least she has stayed almost 12 hours. So in the morning she tells me her daughter is now in a coma. Star packs a few things and we head back down. Oh and the dog stays at my house because she is coming back soon. On the way down she talks to Brad, or so I thought. I told her to have Brad take some money out of their account and he can give it to me when we get to the hospital. Of course he couldn't leave their daughter and go to the bank, so that didn't happen. I take her to the University of Louisville Hospital. She wanted to be careful because she was worried that Jim could be tracking her phone and might see me drop her off. Ok daughter is sick, she is talking with Brad on the phone on the way down and I drop her off at the hospital. Seemed on the up and up to me. I head back to Indy, no money and her dog at my house. Hey dog, belongings and a 28 million inheritance are collateral, right?
Freckle Freak
01-21-16, 10:56
A day goes by and her daughter still in a Coma and they are not sure she is not going to make it. I ask her if her last paycheck was ever direct deposited into her account. No it wasn't, her work messed up and mailed it to Brads house instead. Brad was going to deposit it into their account when their daughters condition improved. Neither of them could leave with her in a Coma. They were even sleeping there. Then on November 4th I get a text, good news their daughter was out of a coma and responding well. Then later that day I get a text that Brad went to the bank and deposited the check and they had to wait for it to clear before they could get me my money. Then I get a text that Brad was in a car accident on the way back to the hospital and was brought to the emergency room by ambulance but would be ok. She tells me Brad has some genetic blood disorder and they needed to keep him overnight for observation. November 5th Brad is still in the hospital with some slight swelling on the brain but will be fine. She wants to come back but can't until Brad gets out of the hospital. Once he gets out she will be coming back for good. November the 6th Star sends me a text. "He's dead, Brad is dead. His brain swelled up from his blood disorder and several blood vessels in his brain burst and he died! I can't believe my luck she says. I'm thinking how can one person have so many bad things go on in their life, but it does happen, right? I text my condolences and ask what are her plans, when is the funeral etc. Remember the dog is still at my house along with all her stuff. I tell her the dog is chewing up my house and she needs to find a way to come get it because I can't bring it down. Star said Jim finally fixed the car and she was coming up to get some clothes for a few days until the funeral was over and get the dog. I tell her to please go to the bank and get some of the money she owes me. Now she tells me she can't because the bank account was in Brads name and she doesn't access to it and since he died she can't take any money out of it. What, I thought it was a joint account! No she says, I never told you that. It's where my paychecks are direct deposited into and he gave me cash or money orders when I needed it. Now that he is dead I don't have access to it. But his dad knows some of it is my money so he will have access to it soon as well as an additional $13,000 in the account that he said I can have. So she drives her car up to get some clothes, the dog and her sex swing. She arrives and I ask her how the kids dealing with the death of their dad. She says she hasn't told them yet because she is scared they won't be able to handle it. That they are staying with Brads family right now as everyone is getting funeral arrangements ready. She said the funeral will be sometime next week and would I come down for support. I tell her no problem just let me know. She said she has no gas in the car and could I give her some money for gas, food and cigarettes. Ok I know this is a ploy but I give her $100.
Now for the good part, as she is leaving I look at the license plate on her car. Guess what, Indiana Plates. How could someone who titled and registered her car in Kentucky with a Kentucky license have Indiana plates? Well they can't and I now have solid proof of her lying. From this point forward it's now a game to me and my detective persona evolves. It's time to search out the truth. I am out about $1,600 at this point and it's time play her game and see where it goes.
Freckle Freak
01-21-16, 11:01
Star and I don't communicate a lot over the next few days because of the funeral arrangements and all the issues with the kids. I really don't know what is true at this point. Did Brad die? Was her daughter really sick? Do her kids even exist? Does Brad exist? One thing that I remember was that I saw some post on the board when I was researching her reviews that she was arrested and some monger saw it on a police blog or something. I think it included Katie also. I also remember Star telling me about it and said she was with Brad that night and she didn't tell Jim that because she didn't want him to know. So my thoughts were that Brad did exist. I googled her name and arrest records and couldn't find anything about it. So now it was time to work on the death of Brad. I talked to Star over the weekend and she gave me his last name. So with this info I checked the obituaries in both Kentucky and Indiana. Hmmmmmm nobody by that name. Well you can search obituaries by a lot of search criteria, family names, kids names, wife name, and so on so I plugged every name she had used in the past into the search. Absolutely nothing came up. I talked to Star again on Sunday November 8th and asked what the arrangements were and when did she want me to come down. She said there would be a calling at Ratterman funeral home the evenings of November 9th and 10th and the funeral was on Wednesday. I said I couldn't find an obituary for anyone by the name she gave me. She said his first name was really James and the obituary had not been posted yet that she would do it tomorrow so that must be the problem. Once again she lied because even by Wednesday nobody with any name similar to what she gave me had died in Indiana or Kentucky in the past week. The only male obituaries were for people under 20 or over 45. There was not a single male between the ages of 20 and 45 that had died anytime between November 4th and the 11th. Ok this is getting good. So now I go on Rattermans website and search for funerals under the names she gave me. Nothing came up. On Tuesday November 10th I try texting her to find out which Ratterman location the funeral was being held at so I could come down. The funeral was going to be at 1:00 pm November 11th. Her texts were sporadic on Tuesday because she was busy with the calling. Then I remembered she had told me about some weeks prior that she had multi-hour appointment scheduled with a monger that day. No wonder she couldn't text back she was too busy having fun! Well I guess the funeral was off, but I didn't even let on, I just played along. Oh by the way I did confirm the monger had an appointment on the 10th, he said it didn't go well. I guess the all the emotional stress of her daughter being sick and Brads death was just too much for her to enjoy herself. She eventually stopped texting and I never got the location of the funeral. Chapter Thirteen is coming soon and it only gets better so hold on to your seats.
"Star and I don't communicate a lot over the next few days because of the funeral arrangements and all the issues with the kids. I really don't know what is true at this point. Did Brad die? Was her daughter really sick? Do her kids even exist? Does Brad exist? ".
Yes FF, Brad does exist, and to the best of my knowledge there isn't nor have there ever been any kids. Two sets of twins, and pregnant with another set LOLOLOL WoW WoW WOW!
Good thing CPS took the first set. Hmmmmm so "Jim" you have one set of twins and she miscarried another set. BTW Jim which rehab did you take her to this time? Oh and don't.
Feel like I'm making fun of anyone here for believing her stories. She got me for around 200 too, but THAT will NEVER happen EVER AGAIN!! Word! Nothing worse than a lying thief, at least.
Not in my book.
One Good Tug
01-21-16, 11:45
I was drawn to this from seeing the title on the home page.
I have recently gone through a similar situation with a provider and reading your thread sends chills down my spine. Honestly women like this are masters at spinning lies.
Thank you for sharing your story. I look forward to reading the rest!
At this point you might need to list the characters and there roles, I'm starting to get confused, so there is Brad, a baby day Daddy. There is Jim her current boyfriend and now soon to be baby daddy, there is you the (FF) the white knight, then I thought I saw a monger post that this story was about him and star who he currently stated that she is in rehab and he is trying to help her.
I think is monger name is bigfatone. , who I guess is Jim??
Freckle Freak
01-21-16, 12:52
At this point you might need to list the characters and there roles, I'm starting to get confused, so there is Brad, a baby day Daddy. There is Jim her current boyfriend and now soon to be baby daddy, there is you the (FF) the white knight, then I thought I saw a monger post that this story was about him and star who he currently stated that she is in rehab and he is trying to help her.
I think is monger name is bigfatone. , who I guess is Jim??There are only four main characters to the story.
Ursula the Sea Witch aka Star Baby: Also known as HighlyRegarded on the board.
Jim: Who has posted that he is BigFatOne on the board.
Brad: Star Baby's ex boy friend and supposedly shares custody of the two kids. Does he exist? Is he alive?
Freckle Freak: Your so called white knight, which by the definition of that term means someone who sticks up for a provider no matter what. I guess that's not me based on how I'm telling this story and not sticking up for her at every turn. Maybe a better term would be a "Rescuer" and I would agree that not a very smart one at this point. So let's call me a Saint Bernard, a rescue dog with mild intelligence!
Oh there is the monger that helped by picking her up and fronting her $. Another one that stole her away from Brads funeral calling. The rest should be simple. Star Baby has two kids from Brad, twins from Jim that reside in an open adoption at this time and twins on the way from Jim. Hope this helps.
FF.
P.S. The only problem with this whole story is there are no freckles involved!
FF, you are not alone. I am 60 and over my lifetime, I have lost roughly $100,000 to scammers. My most recent story is perhaps most similar to yours. I own a business and 8 years ago I got a call from a female customer who told me she was in the hospital and she wouldn't be able to pay her bill for a few weeks. Being she is a cute, blonde spinner, I decided to visit her. That is when I became her mark. She had had a colonoscopy and the doctor tore her colon. She had almost died from the resulting infection. At the hospital, a family member told me they had already gotten a lawyer. About 6 months later she told me she was settling the case for $20,198,000 (medical bills plus $20 million). I am skeptical, but she has some documentation that looked legit to me. But she couldn't settle until the 1- year anniversary because there was a chance she might need yet another surgery (she said). I started fronting her $2 k, $5 k at a time with promises of payback with interest. Suspicion grew as I suspected drug use. At the anniversary date, other excuses were offered and I was done. That was when I discovered 5 checks stolen that she had cashed for $8 k total. I went to the police and pressed charges, but she went into hiding, couch-surfing until the police lost interest. The grand total loss was almost $60 k.
Recently, I learned she was / is on pain pills and then graduated to H, and she settled her malpractice case for $9,000 a few months after her first surgery.
She was not a provider per se. But those Southern Indiana hotties must share notes about how to scam us softies. I plead guilty to being pussy stupid, too.
With each chapter I keep thinking, "This can't get any more bizarre", and with each read. Yep, it definitely does. This is better than anything on those Dateline NBC or 20/20 investigative shows! So much incredible drama. How in the world did she keep track of all the lies upon lies? And, wow, the instantaneous creation of excuses and lies why this-or-that couldn't happen. That's quick thinking on your feet.
What I've learned is that all providers in this business are in it for the money, their in it to find a way to their next fix / high and we are the only thing between them and their addiction, their not it looking for any sort of companionship or looking for someone to help them get better. We are just the middleman. I have had two instances this week of providers texting me laying on their charm with I've missed you, I'm in a bind, my rent is due, I have no food no money no transportation, I'm lonely, yada yada yada, and the moment you tell them sorry honey I'm tapped out at the moment, I have no extra funds, the text stop, the charm stops. They go silent. At that point they are going through there contacts to find the next sucker / victim.
This story is nonstop compelling. I have been following this site but haven't registered until now, but I had to tell somebody how amazing this story is. Sad to say but it also hits home. Been there, done that. I feel your pain my friend.
Who is this doll? I'd travel from NJ to see her!She is willing to let you wire the money.
What I've learned is that all providers in this business are in it for the money, their in it to find a way to their next fix / high and we are the only thing between them and their addiction, their not it looking for any sort of companionship or looking for someone to help them get better. We are just the middleman. I have had two instances this week of providers texting me laying on their charm with I've missed you, I'm in a bind, my rent is due, I have no food no money no transportation, I'm lonely, yada yada yada, and the moment you tell them sorry honey I'm tapped out at the moment, I have no extra funds, the text stop, the charm stops. They go silent. At that point they are going through there contacts to find the next sucker / victim.And I think back to when Star baby was at the height of her popularity on here, how guys raved about how great she was. How they said oh this one is different, she has a job, she goes to school, etc. Like you, I have learned early on in this game, they are ALL fucked up in some way, and most in pretty big ways. What a depressing story this frecklefreak guy tells. While women are my weakness too, I will say I have never gave money help without getting service. His story makes my head spin with all the trips back and forth to indy, the shelling out of money at the drop of a hat, the pitiful excuses over and over that he fell for. Who even has time and money to live this story? And how can a guy with the disposable income to hand over thousands of dollars and make all those trips back and forth to indy, be so dumb? I assume someone with such money must work a job where he has to use his brain. I assume a smart guy. But no, pussy stupid. The pussy made him retarded. Also, at the point you were down the money, why didn't he start taking some pussy from her as payment. I would of told her it was time for her to start getting buttfucked until that debt got paid down. She would be doing every nasty thing I said.
The more I read this thread the more I think of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txEjSj_yUXA
SouthHunter74
01-22-16, 01:57
Its a compelling story for sure, but my question is the same as BnT's. If you are picking her up, giving her money, and letting her crash at your place and she s indebted to you up to eyeballs why didn't you take payment from her ass? All the time, money, and rigamarole I'm sorry but I would have to be bending something over and giving it the business rather than the other way around at some point.
Freckle Freak
01-22-16, 06:16
The pussy made him retarded. Also, at the point you were down the money, why didn't he start taking some pussy from her as payment. I would of told her it was time for her to start getting buttfucked until that debt got paid down. She would be doing every nasty thing I said.To the BBQ and Fight Thread.
Freckle Freak
01-22-16, 07:59
She is willing to let you wire the money.This made my day, thanks BestBet!
FF.
P.S. Don't get me started with freckles like she has I just might do it!
Freckle Freak
01-22-16, 20:21
Wednesday November 11th was going to be an interesting day. Supposedly Brad's funeral was today and it was at one of the Ratterman's locations in Louisville. Now Ratterman is a large family of funeral homes with multiple names and locations. So I research all Ratterman funeral home names and locations to see if any funeral was occurring on this day with any name similar to what I was given for Brad. Each homes website lists obituaries and nothing came up. So I called every Ratterman funeral home in Louisville and pretended I was trying to attend a funeral for Brad X and his ex-girlfriend by the name of X and children by the names of X and X. I then called some other funeral homes in the Louisville area and guess what, absolutely nothing. So the death of Brad is now like a bear shitting in the woods, it has happened but only the bear knows when and where.
One note it's amazing how helpful a funeral home can be when you are trying to find out about the passing of a loved one or a friend. They called me back, called other facilities, they even gave me a password to look at the unlisted obituaries that are held private. The Rattermans do provide excellent customer service and have convinced me, upon my demise, to enlist their services.
Now around 2:30 I get a text from Star that she is at the gravesite. I later learn that she was actually involved with something regarding her pregnancy and a scam upon her own family. She finally called later that afternoon and we discussed the meeting with the lawyer the next day for the 28 million inheritance. She wanted me to come down and attend the meeting with her. She told me the lawyers name and the location of the meeting. Ok, now stranger things have happened in regards to people getting unknown inheritance so I figure things are getting interesting at this point. I agree to come down for the meeting that will take place around 1:00 pm off of Dixie Highway.
I am in utter disbelief over this whole story, not doubting its veracity, just shocked. I am not a main character in this drama but played a supporting role. I was regular of Star back before she retired, then afterward lost contact with her for over a year. A monger on this board who has not been mentioned, nor has he chimed in, that I share information with told me he had been seeing an under the radar returning favorite. I didn't press him for a name I simply told him that if it is Star then don't tell me, but tell her that I said hi. Within a couple weeks he writes back and said he just talked to star and here is the number. This was in late September, around the time that FF's story is picking up steam.
So I contact her and she tells me how much she has missed me and we should get together. She really didn't care for or ask for money, she just wanted to have some fun. I gave her some $ anyway because we had a fantastic time and it just felt wrong not to. I found out since that a few things she told me that night were untrue, but I don't know why, she had no angle, wasn't asking me for anything, we just had some fun. I have more to add to the overall story, but I didn't see her after that until January, so I will wait for the story to progress to that point and contribute at the proper time.
A couple things I want to add though: Jim. You were the Ex-Fiancee at the time according to her and were separated so my apologies for enjoying your cool-aid, I didn't know. I applaud you for getting her into rehab and seeing this through despite the damage done. I think she is a great girl that has a lot of potential and I would do the same thing in your shoes. I really hope she gets better. FF. I am really surprised you are putting this out there. Last time I talked to her she praised you often, said you were one of her best friends and talks to you everyday. I think when she reads this she will feel betrayed. But after hearing what you were put through I can't blame you. I am on the edge of my seat waiting for the next chapter.
Freckle Freak
01-22-16, 20:23
On Thursday November 12th I leave Indy early because I want to do some snooping. Once I am halfway to Louisville I text Star that I'm just now leaving for the 1:00 pm appointment and does she want me to meet her at the lawyers office. She calls me and tells me to meet her at the funeral home off Cane Run Road because she has to pick up some flowers from yesterday's funeral. I arrive at the funeral home early and walk in pretending I am picking up some flowers from a funeral that was held the day before. Guess what, the only funeral that was held at that location for the past 5 days was on Tuesday for a 77 year old man. OMG what a surprise! So now I drive over to her favorite pharmacist's location to see if she is nearby and low and behold I see her car going down 7th street as I get close. So I turn around and head back to the funeral home and meet her in the parking lot. We talk about the funeral, kids and the meeting with the lawyer. While we are sitting in the parking lot she receives calls from the lawyer. He can't meet at 1:00 pm and wanted to know if she could meet at 3:00 pm. She confirms this time and then asks him if she needs to bring anything to the meeting. He wanted her Kentucky drivers license and social security card if she was going to sign any of the paperwork for getting the inheritance. Now this is what she tells me the lawyer said because obviously I was not on the phone with him. I then suggest that she continue on with the appointment since I have already come all this way to meet with them. She reluctantly agrees. Then the lawyer calls back and says he was just called into court for a case and it won't be over until after 5 pm. I tell her to ask him if he can meet at the office after he gets out of court and she said he could but it would be around 6 pm. So the meeting with the lawyer is rescheduled for later that day. Then she gets a call from Brad's sister who is babysitting her kids and she needs her to pick them up because she has to go to work at 2:30 pm. We decide to meet at Taco Bell off of Dixie Highway. Before we leave I ask about the flowers she was supposed to pick up. She said someone came by earlier and got them. Now I really had to hold back and not suggest we go in and double check so I could catch her red handed in a lie, but the thought of meeting the kids and the lawyer was far to intriguing. She takes off to the get the kids and I head over to Taco Bell. On the way I call the main office of the lawyer. I pretend that I'm meeting someone at the office for an appointment at 5 pm and tell them which lawyer we would be seeing. The secretary tells me he is out of town and won't be back until next week! She then checks the schedule of the other lawyer and she cannot find Stars real name scheduled for the other lawyer. I ask her about the office off of Dixie and she tells me that is just a title office no lawyers work there. Ok, so her lawyer is out of town, nobody in the law office has ever heard of Star's real name and the office we are going to doesn't have any lawyers. What a surprise!
I head over to Taco Bell and meet Star there and ask where the kids are. She said Brad's sister called and didn't have them ready and she was going to bring them over soon. I don't say anything about what I learned about the lawyer. Star keeps getting texts and then calls about the kids. Finally she says that the youngest one has hidden the keys and Brad's sister can't find them so she is going to go over and pick them up. Now remember it's about 3:30 pm by now and Brad's sister had to leave for work at 2:30. Must be a different time zone huh? Before she leaves the lawyer had a break from court and says he really will need her drivers license and social security card to meet. Now the plan is Star will go pick up the kids, go home and leave them with Jim, get her I'd's and drive back over for the 6 pm appointment off of Dixie Highway. I tell her I'm going to hang out over here and wait for her to come back for the meeting. She leaves and I head straight to her house. I take a different route and when I get there Star's car is already in the driveway. Ok so there can't be any kids because she didn't have time to go get pick them up and get home first. I wait down the street from the house and she texts me that she can't find her I'd's. I was so surprised. I head home knowing nothing is going to happen with the lawyers that day. On the way home Star texts me around 6:30 that the appointment has been changed to 9:00 am the next day at the main office. She said she is coming to Indy tonight and we can drive back down in the morning for the appointment. To my surprise she never came up.
Freckle Freak
01-22-16, 20:24
On Friday November 13th I get up early and head to Jeffersonville. I had not heard from Star since her text last night that she was coming to Indy. I arrive at Jim's house around 7 am. There is a White House / shop just down the street from his place where I can see his driveway and I pull in there. I text Star that I am leaving Indy and will meet her at the lawyers office around 9 am. I'm sitting at the White House watching for her to leave, a car pulls in the driveway, later Jim leaves and drives by. About 11:30 am I send her another text that it's obvious that she is not going to the meeting. No word back. I leave around noon for Indy and on the way home I send her a text that I know about the appointment with the monger on Tuesday and I will be calling Jim soon. Two minutes later she calls me. Oops I think I hit a hot spot. Well after a few choice words from her and me telling her where I was all morning she tells me she left early around 8 am. I told her she never left because I was there at 7 am and the only person that left was Jim. Now she tells me the appointment had been changed to 3 pm the next day. She said Brad's dad will be able to get some money out of his account and she will deposit it into my account today. By late that evening no word from her and no money in my account. I was so surprised. You have to realize that at this point in the story I know I'm not getting any money back, but the story line is just getting too interesting to just drop the whole thing and move on.
Freckle Freak
01-22-16, 20:26
This chapter covers from November 14th all the way up to November 20th. The day after the morning at the White House she texts me that she didn't get out of the lawyers office until late and didn't have time to go the bank to make a deposit. My bank won't allow cash deposits from anyone other than the account holder. She would have to make the deposit with some type of check or money order. Of course she has no bank account or personal checks because it was Brads not hers. She texts me that she has two blank money orders for me one for $500 and one for $1000, however there is no name on them. Of course she couldn't make it to the bank that day because the meeting with the lawyer didn't end until after the banks were closed. I play along. For the next 6 days it was back and forth. She misplaced the money orders; the kids were sick and she couldn't leave; Jim took them and wouldn't give them back; then he put his name on one of them and cashed it for himself because of all the money he had spent on her. Also during this time the inheritance is still going on, you know paperwork has to be signed and approved; banks have to be informed; money is in a trust and will take some time; so no inheritance yet. The whole time she and Jim are fighting constantly. Guess none of this comes as a surprise to anyone, huh?
Freckle Freak
01-22-16, 20:30
Saturday November 21st she texts me and said she and Jim had a bad fight that night and he told her to get out. He has the car keys and refuses to let her drive her car up and can I come and get her she is finished and wants to finally move to Indy. I tell her I can come and get her but I ask her how she plans on supporting herself, when will I get some money back and is this for good. She said she will get a nursing job in Indy, be a part time provider if I will help her on the board and she should be getting the inheritance any day. She also tells me she has another load of things to bring up. All of the gifts she got from the baby shower for the twins last year. She will need these things for the twins coming in February. She said the two kids are staying with Brad's dad for now and could they come up sometimes and stay over the weekend. Ok so now she wants to bring more items to Indy, the dog and the kids every once in a while, this is getting good. I agree and go down and pick her and the dog up. I get there and Jim comes out of the house telling me to get her the hell out and how she is a liar and a drug addict. He doesn't want her back and hope she's gone for good. He still thinks I am her uncle Jason. Well guess what Jim dumped her prescription meds down the toilet again so we have to go back to her pharmacist. Now you all will wonder why in the hell did I fork over another $100. Simple, at this point the most expensive Broadway show couldn't be this good. It was worth the money just to see how this would end. This was the last time I ever gave her any money.
We head back to Indy and I tell her she needs to cough up some money and what happened to the $500 money order, well of course Jim tore it up. She said she has all of her I'd's but not the paperwork from the bank because Jim tore that up also. Well that made perfect sense to me, she owes him $100,000 and he tears up paperwork that could pay him back the money with interest. She told me part of the fight was she had decided not to pay him back because of the way he had abused her. Well makes perfect sense to me now, LOL. In the car she is talking on the phone with Jim about why he ripped everything up and they go back and forth arguing. She tells him how much she loves him but just doesn't think it will work anymore and she is done. We get home and unpack the car while she is texting Jim. Then she tells me that Brads dad took the kids over to Jims for the night because he had to leave and go finish a job. So I go to bed around 11 pm while Star is talking to Jim. She wakes me up around 2:30 dressed and ready to leave with the dog. She tells me Jim is threatening to kill himself with a shotgun while the kids are asleep in the next room. That he can't live without her and wants her to come home. She is going to hitchhike with the dog back to Jeffersonville at 2:30 am, 27 degrees outside and snowing. Ok, I can't let that happen because I would feel terrible if something happened in the bad weather. Everyone knows how much I love animals and it was a puppy with short hair so it could have died. So I agree to take the dog back and her also. She tells me he sent her a picture of him holding the shotgun to his throat. I ask to see the picture. She had already deleted it. Of course she did I wouldn't want that kind of evidence around. Then I tell her that I need some money tomorrow. She now is on the phone with her mother who is at work at 2:30 am while we are headed back to Jeffersonville. She argues with her about her childhood, how terrible of a mother she was, all kinds of things and then she asks me for my address and info to give to her mother. She tells me her mother will wire $1000 to me as soon as she gets off work. All I can think at this point is that Star is not only a pathological liar but probably a sociopath. I drop her and the dog off at Jim's and head back to Indy to a house full of baby shower items and Star's belongings. She did take a few clothes with her but not much. She also told me she was coming back and left all her I'd's at the house so he couldn't steal them again. Oh well once again more lies.
The next few chapters in this story are coming soon.
Freckle Freak
01-22-16, 21:03
FF. I am really surprised you are putting this out there. Last time I talked to her she praised you often, said you were one of her best friends and talks to you everyday. I think when she reads this she will feel betrayed. But after hearing what you were put through I can't blame you.With friends like her who needs enemies. She knows very well that she betrayed me long before this story came out. She betrayed many others, including family. The story is being told partially for revenge, partially to inform others on this board who thought they knew her, but mostly because it may help her in rehab. It's my understanding that her counselor is getting copies of the story. Maybe Star will realize that this is rock bottom and finally make a conscious decision to change her life. Let's all hope so, someone as smart as she is deserves the chance to have a good life.
FF.
P.S. I wonder if her counselor is a female with freckles?
I I think she is a great girl that has a lot of potential and I would do the same thing in your shoes. I really hope she gets better. FF. I am really surprised you are putting this out there. Last time I talked to her she praised you often, said you were one of her best friends and talks to you everyday. I think when she reads this she will feel betrayed. But after hearing what you were put through I can't blame you. I am on the edge of my seat waiting for the next chapter.If she is in rehab, I believe she is and if she wants to get better she will want this story to be out there. One of the steps.
Member #5077
01-22-16, 23:38
FF you should be an award-winning novelist or script writer. The times, dates and details are amazing. I can't wait to read the next few chapters.
Be safe,
Mamba out!
So I'm curious FF, did she have two of most things in her shower gifts? You know, two swings, two carseats, a double stroller? I'm guessing NOT. BTW when you say last time you checked she was still in rehab, you meant you checked with Jim right?
P.S. I love redheads, and of course most of the time freckles come with!
Indy Jhn11
01-23-16, 03:30
With friends like her who needs enemies. She knows very well that she betrayed me long before this story came out. She betrayed many others, including family. The story is being told partially for revenge, partially to inform others on this board who thought they knew her, but mostly because it may help her in rehab. It's my understanding that her counselor is getting copies of the story. Maybe Star will realize that this is rock bottom and finally make a conscious decision to change her life. Let's all hope so, someone as smart as she is deserves the chance to have a good life.
FF.
P.S. I wonder if her counselor is a female with freckles?Haven't chimed in on this one yet. FF, you once said you were surprised by me on post I said about somebody taking advantage of a girl.
Girl in Indy before. This time I'm the one who's surprised friend, and sorry to hear this girl took advantage of you.
Seems like your heart and head were disconnected on this girl. Mainly, I mean your heart was in.
The right place but it went before your brain caught up. Seems there were some serious red flags you missed. The biggest and.
Earliest one was when she said she needed opiate pain pills. And you drove her to get them? WTF?
I know you want to help the girls, but when they say pain pills, ain't no amount of money going to fix that problem outside of them.
Going to rehab brother.
I know you've been good to lots of girls up in Indy. Remember ole Misty and.
Sensory and Donna? Hahaha, you got spoiled by some great ladies and then this little urchin made you feel similar and took.
Advantage of your generosity in an onerous way. Sorry to hear about all this, genuinely.
P.S. I know an amazing young woman in Lexington with amazing freckles. I wrote you about her a few years ago. She's back working.
Where she was. I haven't seen her in a few years, because last time I did, I messed up. It ended in a lot of angst for me and bit of.
Heartbreak for me and her. I've been regretful and reflecting on it for the last 3 years. She's one of the good ones.
Always always always pack a raincoat.
Enjoying the story. Much more fun when I had the pleasure of a couple of visits to see her without all the pain that has resulted.
I can fully understand the attraction.
Keep writing, I'll keep reading. I hope this has a happy ending, I hate stories that end badly.
Bb.
Robert1122
01-23-16, 10:12
Interesting reading, I guess this has happens to all of us at some level. Reminds me of that song from the black crows, "she talks to Angels".
Freckle Freak
01-23-16, 15:56
I'm going to step back a little because this is a key point in the story that was drawn out over time but became surreal when I picked her up in on November the 21st. If you remember Chapter Eight: Addiction, Star had already admitted to using heroin in the past. So when I picked her up on the 21st I told her I wanted to see the Roxy's, short for roxycotine, that she was buying because I didn't believe she was buying pills but really heroin. She showed me the pills and they were green and long and looked like pictures Roxy's that I had looked up on the internet. However Roxy's are synthetic heroin so they can be ground up and snorted, smoked and maybe even be shot up. So at this point I didn't believe she was just a pill user. She had also told me in the past she used the good heroin not the cheap stuff. She told me she had gone through about $100,000 of Jim's money over the last year doing pain pills. On the street Heroin is cheaper than pain pills that's why so many opiate pain pill addicts switch to heroin. So at this point I'm not sure what her drug of choice really is. That night on the way back to Indy she finally admitted that she was using the pain pills and had become addicted again. I don't think for a minute she had ever quit but I let it go. I told her she needed to get into rehab soon if she ever wanted a decent life and any chance of a relationship with Jim. I told her I was aware of many of the lies and we would talk about them tomorrow. Of course that never happened because I took her back later that night as explained in the last chapter. I think she knew the gig was up and didn't want the confrontation.
Freckle Freak
01-23-16, 15:57
On November 22nd I get a text from Jim saying that if he ever sees my cell phone number on her main cell phone log again he will throw her out. He also tells me and Dana to but out of their life. Then Star starts texting me on her google voice number. I keep asking for the tracking number for the wire transfer from her mother. Star tells me Jim threw her phone down and cracked it and she is having trouble with her google voice app. I keep on getting blank texts from her where she is pretending to send me the tracking number for the wire transfer from her mother that never existed in the first place. This goes back and forth just before Thanksgiving. To push the issue I give her a deadline and text her "No money and I call Jim". Well this got her attention because she calls me and tells me how bad it's been at home, how her phone is cracked and so difficult to use and she will send me the tracking number soon. I was so surprised when I received more blank texts. No contact from her through Thanksgiving but the day after Thanksgiving I start getting texts from Jim. He is done and cutting her loose; she can't go a day without lying and drugs; she has no kids; she lived with Brad's dad for a while and stole from him. I ask how the kids are doing. He texts back that she told him the kids were with Jason and Dana. Ok so now what is going on? First he says she has no kids and now the kids are with me? Then he texts back that he spoke with Brad's dad and he said they never had any kids and has been dead for over two years. Then he texts asking about Darrin, Dana's brother who was killed in a car accident in Ireland and Star is getting a large inheritance from his estate. Oh my! More inheritance Star is going to be an extremely wealthy young lady. Jim once again tells me that Dana and I need to but out of their life. Then Star texts me that she should have listened to me and stayed in Indy. Tells me to throw all her stuff away that she is done, she doesn't care anymore. Then out of the blue on the 28th Jim send out a mass text to several numbers telling everyone to how Star lies, how she stole from him and keeps on threatening suicide if he throws her out. Then another mass text about Star's brother Dustin being in prison, that all she does is lie, that she has no kids, Dana being in an accident, star being in an accident and a helicopter being brought in to pick her up and she refuses to go and walks away. I was very cordial to Jim in all my responses and kept telling him Dana and I hopped they could work things out and they really needed to seek counseling. So now I am seeing a distinct pattern of habitual lying, manipulation and obvious drug abuse. Star is a truly an active addict. I am trying to be supportive at this time so maybe she can get her shit together and I even suggest him putting her in rehab. Star later texts me to thank me for being on her team with all my texts supporting her with Jim.
Freckle Freak
01-23-16, 15:58
I don't hear from her for a couple of days but on Tuesday December 1st she sends me a text that she just left her doctors office and was on the way to the rehab facility Jadac because she just found out she was pregnant. Ok, wait a minute I thought she was already pregnant with twins? Oh wait now she must have gotten pregnant again and is having triplets! This is the only woman I know who can get pregnant when she is already pregnant. Remember the baby shower on Brad's funeral, she was pregnant then and now she is pregnant. Somebody needs to patent her genetic material for all the women in the world who have difficulty getting pregnant. Ok do you detect a sense of sarcasm here? I text her I need some money back now, knowing of course she doesn't have it. She texts back that she is trying to get her life together and she can't do it. She told her mother to cancel the wire transfer and now her mom won't speak to her because of all the things Jim has done to her. She says she will be in rehab for about 4-7 days. I then remind her about her court date for the inheritance on Friday. She says the rehab facility will transport her back and forth to court. Now she has to go to court because they had to file a public notice in case there are any debtors that need to notify the courts before the stock of the company can be sold. Hmmm this is a major corporation that has stock and the purchaser of the stock doesn't have to file a public notice because it's not an asset purchase with any debt falling to the sellers it's a purchase of the corporate stock. Oh well guess I will let the courts sort out all her lies. Later that night I send Jim a text that I was glad Star went into rehab. He texts back how did I know, who is this, then starts in again about all her lies and how she has stolen from him and family. The next I get a text from Star that my text started shit with Jim and she has left rehab and blames me. Once again an addict always blames others for their choices. So that was Stars overnight stay in rehab. Thank god she's clean now!
Freckle Freak
01-23-16, 15:59
I had looked up the other numbers in Jim's mass text from a week ago and found out through my sources that one of them was Star's mothers number. I send her a text asking if I could talk to her. I don't hear anything back until the next day when sends me a text asking how I knew Star. I text back that I'm a friend trying to help Star out of a difficult situation and was she willing to talk to me? She calls me and we have a long conversation about Star and her past addiction issues, lies to the family, stealing from the family and scamming the family. I learn that she had come into town around the time of Brad's funeral for a baby shower for Star. So I put two and two together. The day I received the text that Star was at the gravesite and couldn't talk she was actually at the baby shower. Of course this is only an assumption but I think I'm right. She told me about a month ago she had given Star $2,000 to get an apartment because she wanted to move out of Jim's house, but she later found out the money was gone and no apartment existed. She told me she had talked to Brad about 6 to 8 weeks ago and that he was also an addict. She also told me that Star didn't have any children. Star's mother seemed like a lady who had a good life with ups and downs like everyone. I believed her and trusted her. I felt empathy for her situation with Star. I could tell she loved her daughter very much in the short time we spoke but she didn't trust Star. I told her that Star was in rehab at Jadac and I would keep her informed as to how things were going. I asked her some things for clarification that I will not post here out of respect for her privacy. So the picture of Star becomes so much clearer. Money flowing from all directions to support her habit and I kick myself for enabling her this long. Addiction is now obviously rampant with Beth.
Freckle Freak
01-23-16, 16:02
It's Tuesday December 2nd and Star is now clean from her overnight stay at rehab. She is texting me about how bad things are because of my texting Jim the night before. About 6 pm that night I get calls from an 812 telephone number and don't answer them. Then I get a text from Star that she is trying call me please answer. She calls me on the phone from his shop and tells me she is done, he has been physically abusive again and she has to leave for good. Well this is the first time I have heard that comment. She asks how soon can I get there and I tell her not until probably 8:30. She tells me a monger friend is picking her up and they are going to the Manor to play and then she will call me later on his phone and tell me where to pick her up. She tells me the dog isn't coming. I think to myself, damn that dog is the only thing that makes the trip worthwhile. I tell her I have no money, not even enough to buy gas to come down and go back. She said don't worry she will have some after her appointment and she will be able to pay me back some of what she owes me. Well hot damn, this is better than the dog, I get money! So I head south and arrive at an address off of I think Sunflower Drive in Louisville where the Monger dropped her off. She obviously found another pharmacist by the looks of the place. So we start heading back and she gives me $80.00. Gee Whiz I'm rich, let's stop off at the casino on the way home so I can spend some!
Well the reckoning begins. I tell her I want her to start telling me about all the lies over the past two months. She says why don't you ask about specific ones and then I will answer you. Nope not good for me just start telling me starting with the first text to me asking if she could come to live with me for a while. She says I have to get specific. Ok fine, how about the fact that she has kids. Oh well they aren't mine they were Brad's girlfriends kids and she was an addict so Brad had custody and the two of us took care of them and I was able to get legal rights as a guardian. I called BS and told her how I followed her home that day and she beat me there, so she never could have stopped to pick up the kids. Oh but Brad's sister called her right after she left and said she would keep them overnight. Really, when she had to go to work that night? Well she called off for me. I ask what about the day at the funeral home and how I went in to check on the flowers. She says the funeral was at a different location, the flowers were just brought over there because it an easier location to get them. So now you can see how smart and quick she is on her feet. Ok so what about the inheritance? Oh that's true. So then I tell her about calling the lawyers and nobody has ever heard of her. She says the lawyer is a family friend and his secretary wouldn't have known about the appointment because he doesn't schedule me through her, he calls me direct. Little did she know that I had called her lawyer the week he got back and talked directly with him and he had never heard of her. I call bullshit on all of it and tell her to stop the lying.
At this point she realizes she is caught and gets a call from Brad's sister who has the kids. Damn what kids, they don't exist! Beth had pulled out her Sims card so Jim couldn't track her and linked up with my phone. She does this because Jim can track her phone as long as the Sims card is in it within 15 feet. Brad's sister said Jim called her and said he called the police because she stole something from him so there is a warrant out for her arrest. She then starts texting Jim back and forth. Then she calls him, he claims she stole his cigarettes. We get to the Scottsburg exit on I65 and she says she needs to go back to Jim's and talk with him, calm him down and get some money from him he was holding for her. I say "Tell Jim to just keep the money for the cigarettes she supposedly stole and let's keep going on to Indy. No he has $200 of my money that he is willing to give me that I can give you. So we turn around and head back to Jim's. We get to the White House and I drop her off. She takes all her stuff that she had brought with her because he will want to check it to make sure she didn't take anything else. Duh, you're in my car so that makes no sense because you could just leave anything you stole in the car and he would never know. She says she will be back in 20 minutes at the most so please wait. I pretend I was sitting there sending multiple texts asking when she is coming back. I headed back as soon as she got out and I never hear back from her again that night. She went back because I had caught her in her lies and Jim was probably her least controversial path. Now I still have all her clothes and shower gifts at my house in Indy. The story changes direction at this point, Freckle Freak has some fun!
BigGuyUAteMe
01-23-16, 16:36
I have been along for this ride also and thought star was a good looking, fun, sexy, crazy good person, knew her for a couple years.
People change, and she sure did, I too hope she can lose her demons.
Freckle Freak, has been a wealth of knowledge to this board, I know him as a honest good person and a friend. He has tried to help someone that was in need, I hope she is finally getting the kind of help she needs, I don't know about her man, or how he treated her. I only know what she said.
Freckle Freak. Needs no one to defend him, but I know most all of this story and can say he just tried to help a person in need. Now writing about this story? This might let some see how far a person may go to cover a habit.
BG,
Trust no one? , play safe, have fun, give respect (if it's deserved) demand respect, find some crazy good and TPHFB!
And there are even redheads with freckles out there ready to screw you over !
With friends like her who needs enemies. She knows very well that she betrayed me long before this story came out. She betrayed many others, including family. The story is being told partially for revenge, partially to inform others on this board who thought they knew her, but mostly because it may help her in rehab. It's my understanding that her counselor is getting copies of the story. Maybe Star will realize that this is rock bottom and finally make a conscious decision to change her life. Let's all hope so, someone as smart as she is deserves the chance to have a good life.
FF.
P.S. I wonder if her counselor is a female with freckles?
The crazy part is she probably has or had 10 FF's. To a certain degree or another at any given time its amazing how many guys they can manage at a time. Some of them could run corporations if it was not for there addictions. FF the one night she was in rehab would be shocked if she was actually at a rehab. As sad as it is with these girls once you catch them in one lie you need to treat everything they say as a lie till proven different.
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Sorry brother, there are lines and this post crossed so many of them I couldn't count them. FF is talking about his part of the story, you can't talk about all that personal stuff about her and her family.
Sorry
TipsTipsTips
01-24-16, 00:03
I think I was the one who took her to the manner in chapter 21 of your novel. I picked her up at a white shotgun near taylor. It's a small world after all LOL.
Freckle Freak is experienced in this hobby of ours and does not need anybody's help or criticism. I have seen StarBaby without Katie around and she told me she was a nurse at a nursing home. The one time I saw her she was great but I tend not to get involved in provider's personal lives and I always use a burn phone. That being said what is interesting to me is that it seems FF was helping her without any expectation or ROI (return on investment) other then to get his original principle amount back. As a weak dude when it comes to pussy (especially when it's the good wet kind) I'm not sure I wouldn't have expected some kind of repayment like some sessions. To me having no expectations in return for assistance is the highest most altruistic purest form of help one person can give another.
I would be selling her stuff all of it, even if all I got was a $ I would consider it a win and call it even.
It's Tuesday December 2nd and Star is now clean from her overnight stay at rehab. She is texting me about how bad things are because of my texting Jim the night before. About 6 pm that night I get calls from an 812 telephone number and don't answer them. Then I get a text from Star that she is trying call me please answer. She calls me on the phone from his shop and tells me she is done, he has been physically abusive again and she has to leave for good. Well this is the first time I have heard that comment. She asks how soon can I get there and I tell her not until probably 8:30. She tells me a monger friend is picking her up and they are going to the Manor to play and then she will call me later on his phone and tell me where to pick her up. She tells me the dog isn't coming. I think to myself, damn that dog is the only thing that makes the trip worthwhile. I tell her I have no money, not even enough to buy gas to come down and go back. She said don't worry she will have some after her appointment and she will be able to pay me back some of what she owes me. Well hot damn, this is better than the dog, I get money! So I head south and arrive at an address off of I think Sunflower Drive in Louisville where the Monger dropped her off. She obviously found another pharmacist by the looks of the place. So we start heading back and she gives me $80.00. Gee Whiz I'm rich, let's stop off at the casino on the way home so I can spend some!
Well the reckoning begins. I tell her I want her to start telling me about all the lies over the past two months. She says why don't you ask about specific ones and then I will answer you. Nope not good for me just start telling me starting with the first text to me asking if she could come to live with me for a while. She says I have to get specific. Ok fine, how about the fact that she has kids. Oh well they aren't mine they were Brad's girlfriends kids and she was an addict so Brad had custody and the two of us took care of them and I was able to get legal rights as a guardian. I called BS and told her how I followed her home that day and she beat me there, so she never could have stopped to pick up the kids. Oh but Brad's sister called her right after she left and said she would keep them overnight. Really, when she had to go to work that night? Well she called off for me. I ask what about the day at the funeral home and how I went in to check on the flowers. She says the funeral was at a different location, the flowers were just brought over there because it an easier location to get them. So now you can see how smart and quick she is on her feet. Ok so what about the inheritance? Oh that's true. So then I tell her about calling the lawyers and nobody has ever heard of her. She says the lawyer is a family friend and his secretary wouldn't have known about the appointment because he doesn't schedule me through her, he calls me direct. Little did she know that I had called her lawyer the week he got back and talked directly with him and he had never heard of her. I call bullshit on all of it and tell her to stop the lying.
At this point she realizes she is caught and gets a call from Brad's sister who has the kids. Damn what kids, they don't exist! Beth had pulled out her Sims card so Jim couldn't track her and linked up with my phone. She does this because Jim can track her phone as long as the Sims card is in it within 15 feet. Brad's sister said Jim called her and said he called the police because she stole something from him so there is a warrant out for her arrest. She then starts texting Jim back and forth. Then she calls him, he claims she stole his cigarettes. We get to the Scottsburg exit on I65 and she says she needs to go back to Jim's and talk with him, calm him down and get some money from him he was holding for her. I say "Tell Jim to just keep the money for the cigarettes she supposedly stole and let's keep going on to Indy. No he has $200 of my money that he is willing to give me that I can give you. So we turn around and head back to Jim's. We get to the White House and I drop her off. She takes all her stuff that she had brought with her because he will want to check it to make sure she didn't take anything else. Duh, you're in my car so that makes no sense because you could just leave anything you stole in the car and he would never know. She says she will be back in 20 minutes at the most so please wait. I pretend I was sitting there sending multiple texts asking when she is coming back. I headed back as soon as she got out and I never hear back from her again that night. She went back because I had caught her in her lies and Jim was probably her least controversial path. Now I still have all her clothes and shower gifts at my house in Indy. The story changes direction at this point, Freckle Freak has some fun!
Freckle Freak
01-24-16, 11:17
I did not hear from Star for several days after the night or reckoning. On November 6th I texted Star's mother that I still had all of her stuff including all the baby shower items at my house and was there any way she could have someone come get it. I really wasn't interested in Star coming back to my house. She texted back that she could probably help with that and to let her know when I needed it moved out. I thanked her and said I would get back to her. You see I could have sold her stuff online or donated it to charity but that's just not my style. Several of my monger friends said to sell it and get some money back. If I had done that I would have been no better than Star who was already a proven thief and liar.
Since the reckoning day, I had been texting and e-mailing Star deadlines how if I didn't hear back from her I would be calling Jim and spilling the beans. Once again right before the deadline hit she contacts me on another app saying her google voice was messing up and that's why she couldn't contact me and she just downloaded this texting app. Over the next three weeks it was a cat and mouse game of when will I get some money from her, what are her plans, congratulations on being so many days clean, what are you going to do? She flipped from things are going really well with Jim to how she now realizes that he is not good for her and long texts about him and how she is done. She asks me to look into rehab facilities in Indy, check on methadone clinics in Indy. Tells me she is not using any detox meds because she doesn't want to hurt the baby even though the doctor doesn't recommend it. I keep on asking for money, what happened with the inheritance, money orders etc. All requests were denied with a myriad of standard excuses. The one thing I couldn't understand was that she kept on bringing up the kids. I guess she really didn't believe me when I told her I knew that there were no kids. Still she plugged on about them. I knew no money would come my way and I never gave picking her up again a second thought, it just wasn't going to happen. I was finished. I decided to go through all her things mainly because I didn't want any drugs in my house. I found some pills and looked them up online but they were all over the counter medication. I did find a plastic box full of needles. Of course she later explained that they were for seizure medicine that she takes. None of them were wrapped and after living with a diabetic I know that's not the way they sell them. Oh I have a pictures but A2 doesn't want me to post it. I also moved all of her things up into the attic. I did this because if she ever came to get them then I would remind her about her text to me where she told me to throw them away. It's my game at this time.
Freckle Freak
01-24-16, 11:20
So Star texts me that she and Jim are doing well, things are improving and she wants to come get her stuff. I ask when and she says tonight. I work nights sometimes and I wasn't available that night. I tell her I'm busy and can't do it tonight. She then tells me that she can come in the morning. I said I would let her know and how does she plan on settling up? She says she will pay me when she gets the inheritance next Wednesday. I tell her to let me know when she has it and I will make myself available. OMG my phone blows up with texts from her. How can I do this to her, how can I do this to her unborn children, blah, blah, blah. I text back that I am gone a lot, working two jobs to repair my finances and finding the right time to satisfy both our needs is important. I tell her that I'm at work and when she has the means to the end then I will be available. Well a lot of good that did. Around 6:00 PM I get an instant message on my work computer from my live in girlfriend that the Police are at the door. I instant message her back don't answer it. Then Star calls my phone. Then the police call my phone. Then Star is blowing up my phone with texts about how Jim will write me a check if I just let them get her stuff tonight. So now I have the local police, Jim and Star all waiting outside my house while I'm at work and my live in girlfriend is there instant messaging me on the computer. Now my girlfriend is cool, a recovering addict four years clean, an ex-provider, an active member of NA, knows Star and is not letting anyone in to the house while I'm gone. So after a few minutes they all go away. Star is still blowing up my phone, I don't answer and the night ends with some freckled heat when I get home the next morning. You see my girlfriend is a redhead with freckles and has lived with me for about four years. Because of medical reasons she can't have sex, so she lets me play in the hobby. She was at the house every time Star was there and also tried to help Star. My GF warned me that this wasn't going to come out good but we both agreed to give it our best to help her out. My GF is one of the other reasons I never had sex with Star at my house. My GF is bi and one of her rules is, if I play at home with someone she wants to be involved but Star was definitely not her type. So Star gets nothing and we move on to the next chapter.
MillitaryMan69
01-24-16, 11:32
I remember a post back in the day about star. It was second hand about her being a liar. Katie her friend told another Monger that any and everything she said was a lie. This guy posted what was said. I think it was almost immediately refuted by Star. Then she turned on her friend Katie calling her the liar and drug user. The drama died shortly after. We see now it was the truth.
Freckle Freak
01-24-16, 11:38
I'm playing the game now. Jim sends me texts that he wants Star out and there is no inheritance. I tell him they need to work things out and did he just now realize there was no inheritance, that I knew it a long time ago. Star wants to go into a halfway house and needs help. I text Star's mother that I need her things picked up. She texts back she is working on it. I guess she texted Star about it and she texts back later how Star said she already picked everything up. I tell her once again she has been lied to. So Star and I go back and forth about money and now Jim isn't willing to write a check for her stuff. Really, I'm so surprised! We then talk on the phone about the night she came with Jim. I tell her that I found out from my neighbors across the street. My neighbors watch the neighborhood like a hawk and they call their neighbors and the police if they see anything wrong. I asked her why the police came, was she trying to break in? All of these questions were to throw her off so she didn't know anyone was home. She told me know that they had stopped at the police station on the way and brought them there. Now she tells me that in the past if she wanted to get in she would have busted down the door and done anything necessary to get what she wanted. So now I realize once again this woman is a sociopath.
We finally agree that she can come and get her things on the following conditions: She come alone, she tells me the truth (like I would believe her anyway) and three she sign a Promissory Note for all the money I lent to her. She agrees. The night she comes up my GF stays in the back bedroom just in case anything goes wrong with my good friend S&W and my Sweet Sixteen. I may be nave but not stupid especially after what she told me on the phone! Star arrives and we talk about all her lying. I tell her that if she ever lies again then I'm done. She tells me she hasn't lied to me since she got clean in early December. Now I tell her what she wants to hear that if she is truly clean and really wants to stay that way and things don't work out with Jim she can move back to Indy. I then draw up two originals of the Promissory Note and we sign them and she keeps one of them. We load up her truck with everything and then I ask her for her driver's license to make sure it's her name and signature on the note. Well she didn't bring it with her. I then ask her for Brad's real last name. She tells me it and I go online and low and behold I can't find any obituaries for anybody by that name in the past year. So no license, lying again about Brad, I say my goodbyes and she is gone. My GF comes out of the back bedroom and is laughing out loud. Did you really expect her to tell you the truth? And when you asked for a goodbye BJ did you really think she was going to give you one? At this point I'm finished with Star but the game continues.
Thats bullshit, the piece of shit could of at LEAST gave you a damn goodbye BJ, what a ****!
We need to find this man some freckles!
Freckle Freak
01-24-16, 15:14
On November 6th I texted Star's mother that I still had all of her stuff including all the baby shower items at my house and was there any way she could have someone come get it.The date November the 6th was a typo, I meant to say December 6th.
Sorry to all for the typo. I really need an editor to read over my stories before I post them.
FF.
P.S. Any freckled editors can apply for the job, the pay is cheap but the benefits are fantastic.
MaxTantric
01-25-16, 12:32
Reason I'm here mongering. Loss of relationships to addiction. Not provider ones regular long term relationships {LTR}. Even though I have many years of mongering I don't have the frequent flier miles that others here do. Others are way more the expert in that field. Addiction and recovery. There I'm most surely more of a senior member. I've sent 2 LTR's off to treatment. They got sober stayed sober.
Mainly alcohol with these 2 but the 2nd was on pills also. The first one is years strong and sober. But still the ***** from hell. She had freckles. Smiles. The second one. Its been about 3 years now she is sober. But cleaning up the problems and getting her back to normal functional life of a middle american is still an ongoing process.
Get these people to pro help if possible. If not. If you have to white knight it. Go to an al-anon meeting at least once. Yes its going to be hard for most mongers to get into going there much. So. I will condense the whole program into a few sentences. Al-anon is about being strong within ones self as strong as I can possibly be. Only by keeping my life in order can I possibly help such people.
There is a common thread here with search and rescues main mantra. Don't become another victim. A second victim takes more rescuers. If you the rescue guy gets taken out. Many more who could be rescued may be lost.
I have much more I could say. I myself have been ripped off in trying to help a provider I thought was a good person. I really wish there were more more with the cooperman outlook. I don't hate.
Them but I'm trying to totally avoid junkies. Even using reviews I've still been fooled too much. I've told several such junkie providers here lately. You can retire rich at 35. Or you can be a wreck in just a few years. Your choice. I can get you to treatment if you really want it. But that's all I'm doing.
Freckle Freak
01-25-16, 16:20
Star's belongings are now completely out of my house. She was supposed to be working for Jim to earn some money from him to pay me back, but of course she has either been sick or too busy with the kids. Ok so I guess I'm not getting any money for Christmas! I'm going to develop an abbreviation. Any time she mentions the kids I am going to say ""Tanked"" which means "There Are No Kids or were Ever Dammit" So when you see ""Tanked"" you will know what I'm discussing. On Christmas Eve I get a call from Star. Jim left her at his house and went to his step daughter's house for the next couple of days leaving Star at home all by herself. He had purchased all kinds of toys for the "Tanked" but, he took them all back without telling her because they weren't her relation and he was no longer supporting them. He also will not allow "Tanked" to come over and spend the night with her while he's gone. Now I'm in Chicago for Christmas where all my family is from. I tell her if she's all by herself why doesn't she get in the car and drive up and stay with me in Indy (nobody there, LOL). If she wants she can bring the "Tanked" with her. Now this is around 8:30 pm. She says the "Tanked" are at the grandparents and it's too late to go get them but she feels terrible they won't have any presents to open in the morning because the grandparents don't celebrate Christmas. Why don't they celebrate Christmas are they a different religion? Oh no she said they just don't believe in Christmas so they don't celebrate it. She wants to go out at 9:00 PM and look for presents for the "Tanked" but she has no money. I tell her sorry I wish I could help but since she hasn't paid me anything back I can't help her out. She said she had a call coming in and would get back to me. I'm laughing to myself at this point, thinking who on this board sent money to Star on Christmas Eve falling for this bullshit! Which one of you mongers are willing to confess?
Later she calls and I start laying all kinds of crap out there how my sister would be happy to send her money but there isn't any place to send it from because all the stores that do wire transfers are closed. My mother would be willing to give any store her credit card over the phone if she could find one open. I even tell her to go to a Walgreens or truck stop and buy gifts there because they are probably still open. Call me if you need one of my family members to pay for it over the phone. Guess what, I never heard back from her that night.
Christmas day develops the title to this story. I don't hear back from her until later that day, you have to remember she spent the morning with the "Tanked" at the grandparent's house. She is calling me and texting me about how could Jim do this to the "Tanked". This is the lowest thing he has ever done and to disappoint "Tanked" this way is terrible and she now knows she has to leave him. I tell her well from now on whenever she says anything about staying or going back I will just say "Merry Fucking Christmas" to remind her about the past two days. She of course loves this and once again I ask her when I will see some money, she says as soon as she has time to finish the work he gave her. I hint at well you are all alone and have nothing to do, so? Now she has to take the Christmas tree down and the lights down from the house. Oh well once again I tried.
Freckle Freak
01-25-16, 16:24
Star is now ready to leave, oh wait that was on the 2nd of January, things are going good on the 3rd, but then things change on the 4th. Ok catching the pattern here. I keep on asking for my money she is working hard for Jim so she can pay me back, but once again it takes time to work so hard and she just isn't finished yet. No surprise to me. So let's see since I first started asking for some money there has been the following. Paychecks in the amount of about $850.00 every week combined with the $13,000 all in Brad's account that Brads dad has access to, oh wait I forgot to tell you it was all spent on Brads funeral his family is broke. Then there is the $200,000 life insurance policy that was used to pay off Brads house his father had bought for him and he was making payments on. Oh wait, remember his family is broke that's why the cash from his bank account was used to pay for the funeral. Damn I am so confused! Then there is the 28 million in inheritance that is still tied up in the courts because of her step brother and possible outstanding debt. I forgot to tell you back around the 4th of November she told me when she opened up the accounts for the inheritance and the bank savings and new checks were being sent to my house. I hate the holidays it takes sooooooo damn long for the mail that time of year. Ok I will wait until the inheritance goes through, yeah right! Then there is the money her mother wired transferred to me and the money orders. Do you think she actually lied to me about these? The only thing I don't understand is why she didn't give me some of the money she was making from the 15 mongers who were banging her as Ursula over the past 3 months. I mean she probably brought in 2 k 4 k in contributions. She could have been generous enough to share a little, don't you think? Oh that's right she has all those medical bills for the "Tanked". That's where it went because it sure wasn't being shot up into her body because she is now clean and doesn't do drugs, right? Does anyone detect a sense of sarcasm in my writing?
Star texts me that she has a new phone number and to use it because Jim can't trace it and she can talk on it anytime. I think it's possibly on an iPad but she said Jim bought her a new phone that he couldn't track but I don't believe it. She starts calling and texting me on the new number. She has the money $900 Jim paid her for her work, but of course she can't cash it, then she deposits it into her account but it bounces because Jim doesn't have enough money in his account. Multiple texts: The car is broken but she has no money for him to fix it; as soon as he does she's coming to Indy for good, once again; this is final; never going back; is finished; loves him but can't do it anymore; he was physical with her again; bringing the dog; "Tanked" are not coming; wants to provide in Indy; ok you get the picture. I am willing to welcome her with open arms with my friends S&W at my side just in case! She goes dark for a few days but then things start to draw to a close and unfortunately it's time for an ending to this story.
Freckle Freak
01-25-16, 18:24
January 9th she texts me she got laid in the shower by Jim, is heading out to meet a client and needs to get laid again. January 10th she texts me she had better sex with Jim in the morning and that night than she did with the client. Later in the day she texts me asking who I told about her owing me money, I tell her a couple of mongers names and she said what about (you know who you are) because he said you did. I said yes that's probably right so I put 2 and 2 together about who she saw the day before. January 11th she texts me that Jim beat her up, pulled her hair, she has a knot on her forehead and bruises on her body. She tells me to come pick her up, of course I will as long as she can give me the money she owes me. Then she says monger (name withheld to protect your penis) is going to come get her and take her to a hotel. Sounds good I say, text me when you're safe. Then the cops are called, they won't press charges on Jim because he said she had a drug seizure and that's where the bruises are from. By the way I called the police station and this was the first time they confirmed they had gone to the house. All the other times in the past that she told me they were there, when I called they couldn't confirm the visit, especially the swat team visit. She supposedly leaves meets the client someplace and goes with him to a hotel. I don't hear back from her until around 1:30 am that she is safe.
I text Star's mother that night and ask if she has heard from Star lately. I don't hear back from her until the next morning around 9:30 am. She texts back that she had just arrived in Louisville to see Stars newborn baby and learned it was a lie. That she scammed her family and friends and was very distraught and just couldn't talk about it. I apologized for all the heartache. Later and this is crucial I sent her a text asking if Star was with her and she was going to take her to get her car at Jims later that day. She texted me "It's not true".
So the morning of January 12th I text Star and she calls me back around 12:30 saying her mother picked her up at the hotel early and her mother talked to Jim and they are going over soon to pick up the car and all her stuff and then she is leaving to come to Indy and live here and start over. Ok, one last thing to do, I send the text to her mother and she answers "It's not true". I'm done, it's time for all of this to end. Her lies to her mother and the pain she inflicted on her and the lies to Jim and all that she has done to him is not worth me keeping my mouth shut anymore. Star has got to be stopped before she destroys another minute of either of these two lives. It's late in the day and I start thinking about what I can do to stop this addict. I decide to sleep on it and consult with my GF and discuss it at an NA meeting that night. The next morning I didn't have to wait because Jim starts blowing up my phone. You can have her, I'm done, come get her. Then she calls and says she had Jim beat up by one of her dealers. Why I ask? Because I can she said. Ok the true sociopathic addict is out. She is no longer a danger to just herself but to others. I start texting Jim, but he won't believe anything I tell him, can you blame him. He tells me Star changed her number. I don't hear back from them the rest of the day.
Freckle Freak
01-25-16, 18:27
On the morning of the 14th Jim sends me a picture of Star shooting up. Then we start back and forth texting with me trying to develop some sense of honesty with him. He keeps on asking me if she is Ursula on the board and I finally confirm it. A little later Star is texting me on my her new number that I have ruined her life with all my lies to Jim and she is going to end it all tonight and it's all my fault. She calls me and leaves a voicemail about what a bastard I am. I send one text back to her to call the suicide hotline, go into rehab and life does go on. I heard nothing after that until the next day the 15th when she sends me one last text.
"Well looks like your attempts to get revenge have failed. I can't stop laughing. Thanks for telling Jim all the bullshit you did. It only brought us closer together in the end. I am back home with him happy and working through things. Told him about everything, yes even the Ursula shit. So please quit leaving everyone on the boards hanging, tell them the story. It won't break me. I don't need mongers or clients. I have all I need here. I call him my fiance, the love of my life, my baby, my companion the only person in the world that I need. I sure as hell don't need you, that's for sure. Be sure to tell them the whole story when you tell it. Don't pick and choose. Tell them you gave me money for pills and took me to get them, that you enabled my habit. Last but not least, lose my number and do not contact me. Jim and I will do the same. Goodbye!
So I know this is not the end of the story for Ursula the Sea Witch aka Star Baby, but my portion of the story ends here. I'm sure many will discuss her on the board and even some will continue to see her, she is good, no doubt about that, but is it worth it? My last words to Star Baby are I have followed all of your requests in your last text. I have told my story even how I enabled you for which I have already apologized. I have no interest in contacting you, at least until the promissory note comes due. I have heard from Jim but that's because he wanted to contact me. Everyone on this board is aware that you didn't ever take rehab seriously, you are an active addict of opiate pain meds and yes even heroin. You are a pathological liar with severe sociopathic behavior and not only a danger to yourself but others. I wish you the best of luck and hope that someday you can seek the treatment in a rehab facility that can help you find yourself.
FF.
P.S. Yes this is freckle freak and I live for freckles and sign off on this story.
So many others have similar stories to this, myself included, trying to help the addict always with the same results. Sorry for all you went through. Just sad the story is over, it was very addictive waiting for the next episode and now no checking back for the next chapter.
Robert1122
01-25-16, 22:26
Very interesting reading, I am comparing it to my own situation. Someone told me about "caseys Law" . Has anyone heard of this? It's where family members, or friend can get someone into rehab involuntary. I am interested in everyone's thoughts.
SwizzleStick
01-25-16, 23:05
That sucks dude, but to let her drag you on for that long even when you knew she was actively lying? She's a next level hustler.
I believe Jay-Z said it best: http://youtu.be/GBGeDOx-CD8.
Oaklona Al
01-26-16, 02:32
FF,
Thank you for the time, effort, clear writing style and openness in putting this ordeal out there. I looked forward to every new chapter and empathized with you several times.
For what it is worth, my commends to your patience while trying to help her and tenacity and investigative prowess in driving the situation to closure for yourself! I am sure you have a clear conscience that you took it as far as you could.
I don't think that the power of the high that narcotics users chase is really understood by all. Women and men leaving their spouse and kids to chase a daily high, robberies, shoplifting, etc. Are some examples of the actions users take to get the drug high. Your Blog shows the extreme extent that addicts will go to.
Thanks!
LuvSpinners
01-26-16, 04:45
I'm sure you wrote this story down for all to read as a form of closure for yourself. I hope that it provided you with that. It certainly was an interesting read. Unfortunately there is more that one Ursula out there and if anyone has been in this hobby long enough has had some involvement with some one just like her. I knew a girl with almost the exact same qualities with the exception of the sociopath thing. I on one occasion told her to her face that she was the best hustlers I ever met. On my last meeting with her I had asked her "why do addicts lie". Her answer was probably one of the most honest things that ever came out of her mouth. She said and I quote "We have to. The alternative would be to acknowledge my reality and I simply can't do that so I live in a lie".
Thanks FF for sharing this incredible story. Never having been involved with an addict, I had no idea the extent to which bald-face lying could reach. Reading these episodes makes me feel relieved about the fact that I don't ever get involved with these women's lives, beyond a cursory inquiry. Whew.
BigGuyUAteMe
01-26-16, 12:18
I do wish that Star will find a happy ending. I don't know what the effects or how powerful the effects of these drugs are, or the extent that someone will go to get it (looks like anything to get that fix) but I never though Star would do the things she did. I too fell for her stories to a point and it cost me some money. That wasn't as important as someone in trouble and wanting out. What a waste of life.
Star I truly wish you a happy life with Jim and hope you can get and stay clean, for you to become a good person, stop all the lies and deceit.
Now all the guys can see how far they will go to hide their addiction! They will do anything to hide what they are doing and do or say anything to get their high (so sad).
Louisville lost one of their own that I had known for a few years to an overdose, she was a great woman, caring, thoughtful, kind, sexy and just fun to be around Her child will grow up with out a mother. Its so sad. I think about her often!
BG.
LikeMike1963
01-26-16, 12:39
If you have a signed promissory note and she has not repaid you you can actually claim that personally as a bad debt!. Double check with your tax professional but I have done so. Gets you some of the money back.
I would like to thank FF for sharing the story as well. I am very new to the hobby and I already see a lot of similarities in his story and the real world. I was always wondering how so many people in the business could have so many crisis day after day? My eyes have been opened and as I reflect back all the lies I can now see I have been told, they do it so well and convincingly! I too have "loaned" ie given these ladies $$ without asking for anything in return believing their stories true, believing myself that I am doing the right thing. I think I'll be changing me screen name to OLD and Dumb. Young is out of the picture for me.
DE.
If you have a signed promissory note and she has not repaid you you can actually claim that personally as a bad debt!. Double check with your tax professional but I have done so. Gets you some of the money back.I agree that you can get that as a tax write off but that is if she gave him correct information name, address, etc. But I would say chalk it up as a loss / learning experience. The last thing that you need is the IRS looking in to a note and digging into your life.
As a side note I know from this story I will never set anything up with her or anyone that she is affiliated with. Hopefully everyone else will do the same.
I would like to thank FF for sharing the story as well. I am very new to the hobby and I already see a lot of similarities in his story and the real world. I was always wondering how so many people in the business could have so many crisis day after day? My eyes have been opened and as I reflect back all the lies I can now see I have been told, they do it so well and convincingly! I too have "loaned" ie given these ladies $$ without asking for anything in return believing their stories true, believing myself that I am doing the right thing. I think I'll be changing me screen name to OLD and Dumb. Young is out of the picture for me.
DE.Thanks from me also FF. Like champs above, I too have loaned (or given is a better word) money to these girls thinking I was helping out. Now I realize that I'm just drumming the process along until she finds the next mark. I believe it best said by A2 when he wrote, "Don't loan money to hookers. LIKE EVER! Thanks again.
Rebdog.
LancePkrbttm
01-26-16, 21:35
Most informative thread since telling us about the soured Kandi!
I do wish that Star will find a happy ending. I don't know what the effects or how powerful the effects of these drugs are, or the extent that someone will go to get it (looks like anything to get that fix) but I never though Star would do the things she did. I too fell for her stories to a point and it cost me some money. That wasn't as important as someone in trouble and wanting out. What a waste of life.
Star I truly wish you a happy life with Jim and hope you can get and stay clean, for you to become a good person, stop all the lies and deceit.
Now all the guys can see how far they will go to hide their addiction! They will do anything to hide what they are doing and do or say anything to get their high (so sad).
Louisville lost one of their own that I had known for a few years to an overdose, she was a great woman, caring, thoughtful, kind, sexy and just fun to be around Her child will grow up with out a mother. Its so sad. I think about her often!
BG.There is no happy life within I have put her out for the final time she is back on the market. Gorxevetyones consumption probably with some monger as I post dog I care no did I care yes sad sad thing gavectgatxgurl all I had and she spit in my face our time together is done h she at her gentleman till the drugs ruin her and no one wants her then what is she going to do she never had a job or paycheck guess she will hook till her looks go who gives a flying fuck Jim nope she will still have the mongers who only want to use her for what she is and that's fine unless she goes thru with her suicide threats another part of her scam. Problem is ff doesn't know half of it.
MaxTantric
01-27-16, 09:42
If the person is under 18 then maybe yes to involuntary. If over 18 . Its your time money and emotional angst. I would not recommend caseys law. Reason why?. If the addict is not wanting to change no change is possible. Most of the time denial will control everything until the addict hits bottom and has no other choice. One of the main mantras is. You have to be willing to go to any lengths to achieve sobriety. It has to be the most important and compelling thing in the addicts life. Last woman I sent to treatment. All the other women in there were heroin addicts. Some were pregnant some had kids. None of them got sober. Some of them stayed off heroin. But. They were on seboxone. They were trading the seboxone and doing about any other drugs they could get their hands on to keep the jones down. Go to al-anon. If you really want to learn go to an al-anon / AA combined meeting where you get to hear the whole story from both the addict and the loved ones. If you are not strong within yourself. The addict will use any of your human flaws or weaknesses to make you an enabler. Caseys law. No. You have to stay strong within yourself and wait till that bottoming process happens. Its a long painful process getting there. Its important to have all your personal strength after the long beatdown process once the bottom finally comes. Don't try this all by yourself this story should show what kind of result you will get if you do. These 2 guys did all kinds of stuff. None of it came close to working. If your not going to rehab. Go to al-anon really hope this helps some people. I've been through this process too many times. Its the reason I'm here.
Freckle Freak
01-27-16, 13:21
There is no happy life within I have put her out for the final time she is back on the market. Problem is ff doesn't know half of it.I will never know a quarter of it, because I only knew her for a short period of time and never really knew her at all because of her lies and deception. You of course have experienced the worst of it by being used, scammed, manipulated, lied to and deceived more than anyone on this board and more than most who know her. I believe her family has endured more than anyone because she has been doing this to them for years. What I said about you in the story is only what she told me about you. I apologize that in order to tell the story as accurately as what she told me, that you bore the brunt of her lies. Remember it was her lies that had people believing you were the bad guy, not the person you really are.
Stay tuff and strong and hold your ground. Remember she will do or say anything to get what she wants. Only her willingness to truly change and a long stint in a good rehab facility can give her the opportunity for a better life.
FF.
P.S. We need to have a beer someday and discuss how freckles can changer your life for the better.
Louisvillee
01-28-16, 02:31
There is no happy life within I have put her out for the final time she is back on the market. Gorxevetyones consumption probably with some monger as I post dog I care no did I care yes sad sad thing gavectgatxgurl all I had and she spit in my face our time together is done h she at her gentleman till the drugs ruin her and no one wants her then what is she going to do she never had a job or paycheck guess she will hook till her looks go who gives a flying fuck Jim nope she will still have the mongers who only want to use her for what she is and that's fine unless she goes thru with her suicide threats another part of her scam. Problem is ff doesn't know half of it.What the hell are you saying? Put some punctuation and add spell-check please.
I'm going to let this go because this whole thread is pretty fucking weird. Understand that I'm aware of this and if you did it on a normal thread it would catch a flag.
A2
PipeFitter1
01-28-16, 16:03
The first provider I ever met here in Lexington, I became really close with, ended up dating for about 3 years. I couldn't tell you what it was about her but I fell for her really hard. She was the first girl I ever really had genuine feelings for in 26 years. Like a lot of other provider's stories was a drug addict and had slot of family & personal issues, she ended up ultimately committing suicide Oct. '13. I'm sure if some of you hobbyist ever came to Lexington, from '08-'13, you would know her. Really pretty brunette spinner with a drive like Jordan. I got fed up with the lies, stealing, fighting and disrespect. I was able to look past the career at the moment and addiction, if she showed some type of bettering herself for awhile. Like FF, I to realized I may have ended up being more than an enabler and would get tired of seeing her going through withdrawl & would end up just throwing money at the problem to help her feel better. After she stole $300 I had for part of OUR RENT out of my wallet & jumping the balcony at my apartment at that time, while I was taking the trash out. I worked so much & didn't real how bad it had gotten but how could I ever be in a relationship with someone who stole money that was for their own rent?! It amazes me how well addicts get at lying, I'm horrible at lying.
Did you ever think of getting a hotel room for Star to set up some incalls & make your money back?!
Freckle Freak
01-29-16, 10:36
The story of the Ursula the Sea Witch may have seemed complicated to many, but in reality it was a simple story of the hobby and addiction. It was a story about non-existent children, six in total. It's a story about the death of an ex-boyfriend who never died and may even be with her today. It was about millions in inheritance that never existed. It was about a man who blindly loved a provider and an addict to the point of financial stress and mental abuse only to discover who she truly is, an addict on a train to nowhere. This story is about a family's unconditional love for a young woman who has betrayed them in so many ways. It's a story of fake text messages; fake phone calls; fake doctors; fake rehab; fake pictures; fake police calls; fake accusations of physical abuse; fake accusations of rape by one or more mongers; fake pregnancies; and real violence by a drug dealer against a man who loved her. Many hobbyists are intertwined within the story. Some wanting pussy and others trying to help someone they thought was seriously in need. So as you can tell I was but a small part of the story. An enabler at times, but foremost trying to be a friend to someone who I thought needed help. Do not feel sorry for me, I'm a big boy and know that I made a choice to help someone who is not ready to be helped and may never be. That is Star's choice and nothing, and I mean nothing, anyone does will influence her choice to change her life.
The story was told for three main reasons: Revenge for all of those who tried to help her and were scammed and lied to because she is very good at playing the victim. Many on this board have told me they feel some sense of revenge / closure from this story based on their experiences with her. I know the feeling. The story was also told to make this board aware of a provider who is a pathological liar and sociopath. Everyone can now make an informed choice to see her or not and yes she is out there somewhere. I have been amazed at those of you that have sent me a PM asking for her number, really? I will not enable your poor choice to see her and her number has changed so many times since the final chapter was posted I couldn't tell you the most recent one. Good luck if you do try, you have been warned. The main reason for the story was to get it out there so it could be used in the in the rare instance that she truly decides to seek help in a long term rehab facility. I understand that in her brief 2-3 day stay at Wellstone the story was used as part of her therapy. I also know that she used the story to manipulate the counselors with additional lies and accusations of physical abuse, rape and again playing the part of a victim. Rehab for the type of addiction she has is not a week or month long stay. It will take several months for her to learn new behavior that is not consistent with an addict. It will take months to teach her the tools necessary to reenter society. This story might help with the recovery process if and when she decides to seek the long term help required to turn her life around.
Many of you have expressed empathy for Star. I don't because I don't have the ability to understand and share her feelings because I am not an active addict nor did I have the type of addiction she does. So unless you have experienced the severity of her addiction you cannot have empathy for her. I think the best way for me to describe my feelings is pity and mercy. I pity someone who is so disturbed that they made this choice for themselves. I feel mercy for her because she needs kindness and help for putting herself in a very bad and desperate situation, even if it was her choice. I wouldn't want any human being or animal for that matter, to experience her choices.
Again it was a simple story about a provider who screamed out for help and I tried with no strings attached. I wanted only to provide a safe place. I would never have demanded pussy for payment, sold her pussy or her belongings for money owed. I have helped others with good results and tried with Star. I failed only because she was not ready. My GF was on the streets for 3 weeks before she finally made the choice to change. She spent 8 months in a rehab facility and now she is 5 years clean. It can happen with an addict but only if they make that choice. Remember an addict will lie, cheat, steal, deceive, manipulate, scam, be a victim and most of all hurt others with no remorse to get their next fix. This IS the current life of Star Baby, Ursula the Sea Witch.
BigGuyUAteMe
01-29-16, 16:18
Freckle Freak, thank you for information you have shared, and for writing this true story, It may have not turned out to be the best thing for anyone involved, but what a great read! Thank you for taking the time to do so.
BG.
The story of the Ursula the Sea Witch may have seemed complicated to many, but in reality it was a simple story of the hobby and addiction. It was a story about non-existent children, six in total. It's a story about the death of an ex-boyfriend who never died and may even be with her today. It was about millions in inheritance that never existed. It was about a man who blindly loved a provider and an addict to the point of financial stress and mental abuse only to discover who she truly is, an addict on a train to nowhere. This story is about a family's unconditional love for a young woman who has betrayed them in so many ways. It's a story of fake text messages; fake phone calls; fake doctors; fake rehab; fake pictures; fake police calls; fake accusations of physical abuse; fake accusations of rape by one or more mongers; fake pregnancies; and real violence by a drug dealer against a man who loved her. Many hobbyists are intertwined within the story. Some wanting pussy and others trying to help someone they thought was seriously in need. So as you can tell I was but a small part of the story. An enabler at times, but foremost trying to be a friend to someone who I thought needed help. Do not feel sorry for me, I'm a big boy and know that I made a choice to help someone who is not ready to be helped and may never be. That is Star's choice and nothing, and I mean nothing, anyone does will influence her choice to change her life.
The story was told for three main reasons: Revenge for all of those who tried to help her and were scammed and lied to because she is very good at playing the victim. Many on this board have told me they feel some sense of revenge / closure from this story based on their experiences with her. I know the feeling. The story was also told to make this board aware of a provider who is a pathological liar and sociopath. Everyone can now make an informed choice to see her or not and yes she is out there somewhere. I have been amazed at those of you that have sent me a PM asking for her number, really? I will not enable your poor choice to see her and her number has changed so many times since the final chapter was posted I couldn't tell you the most recent one. Good luck if you do try, you have been warned. The main reason for the story was to get it out there so it could be used in the in the rare instance that she truly decides to seek help in a long term rehab facility. I understand that in her brief 2-3 day stay at Wellstone the story was used as part of her therapy. I also know that she used the story to manipulate the counselors with additional lies and accusations of physical abuse, rape and again playing the part of a victim. Rehab for the type of addiction she has is not a week or month long stay. It will take several months for her to learn new behavior that is not consistent with an addict. It will take months to teach her the tools necessary to reenter society. This story might help with the recovery process if and when she decides to seek the long term help required to turn her life around.
Many of you have expressed empathy for Star. I don't because I don't have the ability to understand and share her feelings because I am not an active addict nor did I have the type of addiction she does. So unless you have experienced the severity of her addiction you cannot have empathy for her. I think the best way for me to describe my feelings is pity and mercy. I pity someone who is so disturbed that they made this choice for themselves. I feel mercy for her because she needs kindness and help for putting herself in a very bad and desperate situation, even if it was her choice. I wouldn't want any human being or animal for that matter, to experience her choices.
Again it was a simple story about a provider who screamed out for help and I tried with no strings attached. I wanted only to provide a safe place. I would never have demanded pussy for payment, sold her pussy or her belongings for money owed. I have helped others with good results and tried with Star. I failed only because she was not ready. My GF was on the streets for 3 weeks before she finally made the choice to change. She spent 8 months in a rehab facility and now she is 5 years clean. It can happen with an addict but only if they make that choice. Remember an addict will lie, cheat, steal, deceive, manipulate, scam, be a victim and most of all hurt others with no remorse to get their next fix. This IS the current life of Star Baby, Ursula the Sea Witch.
As I stated earlier I've experienced a similar situation so I understand the need to try and help no matter how lost the cause. It seems that the more we think they need help the less they want help. The reason I enjoyed your story so much is because I could relate. I feel bad for you but I also am happy (sorry) for not being the only one out there who has fallen for the neediness expressed by an addict. I think your story will help numerous newbies realized what the game involves, lies. Good luck in your search for freckles, I to enjoy the pale skin with freckles.
The story of the Ursula the Sea Witch may have seemed complicated to many, but in reality it was a simple story of the hobby and addiction. It was a story about non-existent children, six in total. It's a story about the death of an ex-boyfriend who never died and may even be with her today. It was about millions in inheritance that never existed. It was about a man who blindly loved a provider and an addict to the point of financial stress and mental abuse only to discover who she truly is, an addict on a train to nowhere. This story is about a family's unconditional love for a young woman who has betrayed them in so many ways. It's a story of fake text messages; fake phone calls; fake doctors; fake rehab; fake pictures; fake police calls; fake accusations of physical abuse; fake accusations of rape by one or more mongers; fake pregnancies; and real violence by a drug dealer against a man who loved her. Many hobbyists are intertwined within the story. Some wanting pussy and others trying to help someone they thought was seriously in need. So as you can tell I was but a small part of the story. An enabler at times, but foremost trying to be a friend to someone who I thought needed help. Do not feel sorry for me, I'm a big boy and know that I made a choice to help someone who is not ready to be helped and may never be. That is Star's choice and nothing, and I mean nothing, anyone does will influence her choice to change her life.
The story was told for three main reasons: Revenge for all of those who tried to help her and were scammed and lied to because she is very good at playing the victim. Many on this board have told me they feel some sense of revenge / closure from this story based on their experiences with her. I know the feeling. The story was also told to make this board aware of a provider who is a pathological liar and sociopath. Everyone can now make an informed choice to see her or not and yes she is out there somewhere. I have been amazed at those of you that have sent me a PM asking for her number, really? I will not enable your poor choice to see her and her number has changed so many times since the final chapter was posted I couldn't tell you the most recent one. Good luck if you do try, you have been warned. The main reason for the story was to get it out there so it could be used in the in the rare instance that she truly decides to seek help in a long term rehab facility. I understand that in her brief 2-3 day stay at Wellstone the story was used as part of her therapy. I also know that she used the story to manipulate the counselors with additional lies and accusations of physical abuse, rape and again playing the part of a victim. Rehab for the type of addiction she has is not a week or month long stay. It will take several months for her to learn new behavior that is not consistent with an addict. It will take months to teach her the tools necessary to reenter society. This story might help with the recovery process if and when she decides to seek the long term help required to turn her life around.
Many of you have expressed empathy for Star. I don't because I don't have the ability to understand and share her feelings because I am not an active addict nor did I have the type of addiction she does. So unless you have experienced the severity of her addiction you cannot have empathy for her. I think the best way for me to describe my feelings is pity and mercy. I pity someone who is so disturbed that they made this choice for themselves. I feel mercy for her because she needs kindness and help for putting herself in a very bad and desperate situation, even if it was her choice. I wouldn't want any human being or animal for that matter, to experience her choices.
Again it was a simple story about a provider who screamed out for help and I tried with no strings attached. I wanted only to provide a safe place. I would never have demanded pussy for payment, sold her pussy or her belongings for money owed. I have helped others with good results and tried with Star. I failed only because she was not ready. My GF was on the streets for 3 weeks before she finally made the choice to change. She spent 8 months in a rehab facility and now she is 5 years clean. It can happen with an addict but only if they make that choice. Remember an addict will lie, cheat, steal, deceive, manipulate, scam, be a victim and most of all hurt others with no remorse to get their next fix. This IS the current life of Star Baby, Ursula the Sea Witch.
IndyGuy123
02-01-16, 00:51
I knew this story was out here but just decided today to read the entire blog from the beginning. This would make an award winning story on daytime television. The only part is how sad it is that it is in fact real life events. I too have had my heart strings played by a provider I truly cared about just to find out it was all a sham. Thankfully my story does not involve a fraction of the mental or financial depths this story goes to. I can however feel especially for the family members having a family member that was an addict and many of the lies and actions occurring in this story fell way too close to home. Thankfully, in my real life event there was a happy ending of recovery. Having never met Star, I do truly hope she can come to a clean ending to her addiction and a better life before it is too late.
Indy Guy.
P.S. - FF you are a better man than me. Although you acknowledge some enabling in hindsight, you clearly wenot through all of this with the best of helpful intentions.
Freckle Freak
02-01-16, 09:23
I knew this story was out here but just decided today to read the entire blog from the beginning. This would make an award winning story on daytime television. The only part is how sad it is that it is in fact real life events. I too have had my heart strings played by a provider I truly cared about just to find out it was all a sham. Thankfully my story does not involve a fraction of the mental or financial depths this story goes to. I can however feel especially for the family members having a family member that was an addict and many of the lies and actions occurring in this story fell way too close to home. Thankfully, in my real life event there was a happy ending of recovery. Having never met Star, I do truly hope she can come to a clean ending to her addiction and a better life before it is too late.
Indy Guy.
P.S. - FF you are a better man than me. Although you acknowledge some enabling in hindsight, you clearly wenot through all of this with the best of helpful intentions.When the heart strings are played. I never had those types of feelings for Star, not even close, but that's why I can empathize with Jim. I understand his pain because I also had the same pain when my GF was in active addiction. Anyone, whether it is a family member or an intimate loved one, can have empathy because they have been through it and know what it's like. That's how Naranon started to support those with similar experiences. I however can not have empathy for the hard core drug addict themselves because I have never experienced being one. Only a true hard core addict can have empathy for another hard core addict. That being said I'm glad your family member is a recovering addict, currently not using and every day is one day at a time. But with support and determination hopefully they can experience the rest of their life drug free. Once an addict always and addict, the lucky ones are recovering addicts.
FF.
P.S. Freckles always tend to play heart strings, at least with me they do.
Thanks for sharing FF.
Many of us have tried to help in situations where it was doomed to fail. I see many similarities to one particular situation in which I'm currently involved. Feelings develop and it almost always goes downhill. I'm actually at the stage where I'm over it, and am collecting data / proof for our own little reckoning.
Far too many lies and liars out there. Develop thick skin and always wear it!
This is one of the most fucked up stories I think I've ever herd!! Everything on TV is going to be dull now.
First FF, let me thank and congratulate you on such an excellent account. You kept it clear and concise without trying to point the finger elsewhere.
Whether you realize it or not, there is one more reason for telling this story, perhaps the most important reason of all, education.
I've been on this road more than once, but never took it very far. There's a saying, "You can catch a cat in any trap. Once. " That's me. Many of us have experienced being the enabler and being played for a chump. Many more will run into it. Maybe, after reading this, a few will have the sense to say "no" as soon as the addict behavior shows up.
The first step, and this is the hardest, you have to toss out any feelings of sympathy. They are the bait for the trap, once you take the bait, it will be used against you every time. Whenever a provider (or friend or relative) starts explaining about all their problems and how badly they need the money, all you should be hearing is "I'm hooked and I need a fix. " Now things become much clearer. Instead of asking yourself "How can I refuse to help in their time of need? That would make me a lousy friend. ", you can ask "How can I buy drugs for them? That would make me a lousy friend. ".
As several have stated, only an addict can help themselves. The longer you try to fix them, the longer it takes for them to fix themselves.
First FF, let me thank and congratulate you on such an excellent account. You kept it clear and concise without trying to point the finger elsewhere.
Whether you realize it or not, there is one more reason for telling this story, perhaps the most important reason of all, education.
I've been on this road more than once, but never took it very far. There's a saying, "You can catch a cat in any trap. Once. " That's me. Many of us have experienced being the enabler and being played for a chump. Many more will run into it. Maybe, after reading this, a few will have the sense to say "no" as soon as the addict behavior shows up.
The first step, and this is the hardest, you have to toss out any feelings of sympathy. They are the bait for the trap, once you take the bait, it will be used against you every time. Whenever a provider (or friend or relative) starts explaining about all their problems and how badly they need the money, all you should be hearing is "I'm hooked and I need a fix. " Now things become much clearer. Instead of asking yourself "How can I refuse to help in their time of need? That would make me a lousy friend. ", you can ask "How can I buy drugs for them? That would make me a lousy friend. ".
As several have stated, only an addict can help themselves. The longer you try to fix them, the longer it takes for them to fix themselves.+ 1 on this post. The truth.
LuvSpinners
02-12-16, 23:14
The first provider I ever met here in Lexington, I became really close with, ended up dating for about 3 years. I couldn't tell you what it was about her but I fell for her really hard. She was the first girl I ever really had genuine feelings for in 26 years. Like a lot of other provider's stories was a drug addict and had slot of family & personal issues, she ended up ultimately committing suicide Oct. '13. I'm sure if some of you hobbyist ever came to Lexington, from '08-'13, you would know her. Really pretty brunette spinner with a drive like Jordan. I got fed up with the lies, stealing, fighting and disrespect. I was able to look past the career at the moment and addiction, if she showed some type of bettering herself for awhile. Like FF, I to realized I may have ended up being more than an enabler and would get tired of seeing her going through withdrawl & would end up just throwing money at the problem to help her feel better. After she stole $300 I had for part of OUR RENT out of my wallet & jumping the balcony at my apartment at that time, while I was taking the trash out. I worked so much & didn't real how bad it had gotten but how could I ever be in a relationship with someone who stole money that was for their own rent?! It amazes me how well addicts get at lying, I'm horrible at lying.
Did you ever think of getting a hotel room for Star to set up some incalls & make your money back?!Way to go Art. You are poking the wrong bees nest here.
Buster Hymen
02-13-16, 10:18
This story should be required reading for all new mongers. As a general rule, any type of Captaining will end up in disaster. Addiction will cause a girl to do absolutely anything to "keep from running out" as Neil would sing. Which includes totally fucking over family, friends, lovers, anyone. As long as you always go by the cardinal rule, that P4 P is ultimately a business, and you always consider it a business, then you won't get in over your head. I pay money, I get my dick sucked. That's it. There are plenty of girls I have met (and continue to see) that I feel sorry for. Occasionally, I will give them a $10 or $20 if I see them and don't have time to play, or give them that as a tip. But I realize that what I am doing is short-lived and simply an enabler to keep them high. But keeping this firewall intact has to be your first priority.
CleanFun1960
02-13-16, 14:18
This story should be required reading for all new mongers. As a general rule, any type of Captaining will end up in disaster. Addiction will cause a girl to do absolutely anything to "keep from running out" as Neil would sing. Which includes totally fucking over family, friends, lovers, anyone. As long as you always go by the cardinal rule, that P4 P is ultimately a business, and you always consider it a business, then you won't get in over your head. I pay money, I get my dick sucked. That's it. There are plenty of girls I have met (and continue to see) that I feel sorry for. Occasionally, I will give them a $10 or $20 if I see them and don't have time to play, or give them that as a tip. But I realize that what I am doing is short-lived and simply an enabler to keep them high. But keeping this firewall intact has to be your first priority.Great advice. Should be a sticky post on the front page of this website.
Buster Hymen
02-14-16, 01:24
I would also like to add that there are many different reasons why girls sell themselves, and it varies by region of the country, and has varied over time. Most of the girls you find in Louisville, either have an addiction, or they used to have one and tricked during that phase, so doing guys for money is just an extension of their earlier behavior. Strange thing is that law enforcement contributes to this fact that most prostitutes are addicts. Most of the others that I have met in Louisville are steps from homeless and are just doing it for money.
I grew up in San Diego, which used to be one of the most laid-back places, and LE up until about 2005 had a pretty hands-off view of prostitution. In the early 2000's, I never met an addict prostitute, they were just girls that came from poorer neighborhoods and tricked to buy nice clothes and other things. I had a crew of HS seniors that I would date after school, all hot young things, all 18+ naturally. (I would always card them as there were younger ones out their too.).
But the one that sticks with me was this super hot 20-something girl that was a regular of mine. All the time I was doing her, she kept telling me where she was at with her finances, and would ask for financial advice. She kept telling me how she was going to open her own business. Guess what, one time I met with her, she said that was it, she was done, she saved up like $30 K and was opening her business. Last time I checked a couple of years ago, her business was doing great. I stopped by once to just say hi and nothing else. She just winked at me.
But then LE came down hard, and weeded out all the ordinary girls that were just looking to make some easy extra cash. So now if you find a girl there, she is desperate and will fuck you because she needs a fix. Think about this for one minute, in the context of legalization. If prostitution were legal, then you might have the same environment we had all that time in San Diego. Where would most the money go? It would go to hot young clean girls looking for easy extra cash. Very little money would flow to strung out addicts, so they would need to find another way to support their habits.
This has been my observation also. When I was 15 my father operated a hotel with a restaurant and a bar. Some of the waitresses were college students at Western Kentucky University. Traveling businessmen would hit on them regularly and so a couple of them started accepting offers from nicer gentlemen. College girls need money if mom and dad aren't loaded. That would be a better environment that what we have today. That was also the day of "Pauline's" in BG. It was never raided or shut down until urban renewal took out the whole block and Pauline retired. She mostly hired college girls and no addicts.
I would also like to add that there are many different reasons why girls sell themselves, and it varies by region of the country, and has varied over time. Most of the girls you find in Louisville, either have an addiction, or they used to have one and tricked during that phase, so doing guys for money is just an extension of their earlier behavior. Strange thing is that law enforcement contributes to this fact that most prostitutes are addicts. Most of the others that I have met in Louisville are steps from homeless and are just doing it for money.
I grew up in San Diego, which used to be one of the most laid-back places, and LE up until about 2005 had a pretty hands-off view of prostitution. In the early 2000's, I never met an addict prostitute, they were just girls that came from poorer neighborhoods and tricked to buy nice clothes and other things. I had a crew of HS seniors that I would date after school, all hot young things, all 18+ naturally. (I would always card them as there were younger ones out their too.).
But the one that sticks with me was this super hot 20-something girl that was a regular of mine. All the time I was doing her, she kept telling me where she was at with her finances, and would ask for financial advice. She kept telling me how she was going to open her own business. Guess what, one time I met with her, she said that was it, she was done, she saved up like $30 K and was opening her business. Last time I checked a couple of years ago, her business was doing great. I stopped by once to just say hi and nothing else. She just winked at me.
But then LE came down hard, and weeded out all the ordinary girls that were just looking to make some easy extra cash. So now if you find a girl there, she is desperate and will fuck you because she needs a fix. Think about this for one minute, in the context of legalization. If prostitution were legal, then you might have the same environment we had all that time in San Diego. Where would most the money go? It would go to hot young clean girls looking for easy extra cash. Very little money would flow to strung out addicts, so they would need to find another way to support their habits..
I realise that my opinion may not be "politically correct" or even popular: but has anyone considered "the Law of unintended consequences" & how it might affect the options these gals addicted to various kinds dope have for paying for their "fixes"/ doses? Does anyone stop to think what other options they might choose to pay their dope-suppliers? & what effect those "options" might have on many innocent Law-abiding citizens? Or does everyone just assume that if these gals cannot get cash by prostituting themselves, or even scamming or just straight-out stealing-from or even robbing guys who they've lured to the site of what the guy thinks is going to be an act of prostitution (which any guy with two functioning braincells knows is going to be a criminal-act for him to participate in) that these gals will simply check themselves into some detox'&rehab' program & get "clean" & "straight" because they can't get this relatively easy cash? Aren't they instead going to turn to breaking-into & burglarizing innocent peoples homes? Maybe even traumatising or even murdering anyone who confronts them during the burglary? Or will they be so desperate for fast-cash that they skip the time-consuming process of transporting stolen property, probably including precious family heirlooms or personal-memorabilia, & selling it to a "fence" who buys such stolen-property for mere pennies of what it's real cash-value is, & go directly to commiting armed-robberies of diners & convenience-stores & gas-stations & liquor-stores & other cash-rich businesses? & in the course of doing that terrorising & traumatising innocent victims? & increasing the likely-hood that they'll cripple or maim or even murder some innocent cashier or clerk or such? Some innocent Law-abiding somebody who might be working two or three minimum-wage jobs to support their own family?
I'd rather these gals relieve, if even only slightly, the acceleration of violent-crime by getting the cash for their "fixes" by keeping their activities confined to getting cash from guys who are, themselves, willingly participating in an illegal criminal activity ("patronising prostitution") rather than increasing the rate violent-crime, or emotionally-traumatising property-crime, that impacts the lives of truly innocent {& ignorant?} people! _ sincerely: A' K'.
After I uploaded my post I started thinking that some of You might think that I meant that guys who patronise prostitutes deserve to be robbed by these gals: I absolutely & totally do NOT! The value of this forum is that we can not only warn each other about gals who might get cash from us by any means other than providing the service{s} we are willing to pay for at the price we are willing to pay, but also to educate each other about how to recognise & avoid the dangers of being robbed or scammed or blackmailed by desperate &\or greedy "providers" who don't care about what they do to us to get away with our cash! Having made that clear: what I meant was that if we, as "client's," are already voluntarily putting ourselves at an increased-risk by willingly engaging in an illegal criminal activity {"patronising prostitution" or "promoting prostituting"} then we should be considering the we might actually be PREVENTING them from endangering & traumatising truly innocent, even if ignorant, members of the general-public-at-large by having to commit worse, & possibly more violent, crimes to pay for their dope-addiction!
i'd rather these gals relieve, if even only slightly, the acceleration of violent-crime-rates by getting the cash for their "fixes" by keeping their activities confined to getting cash from guys who are, themselves, willingly participating in an illegal criminal activity ("patronising prostitution") rather than increasing the rate violent-crime, or emotionally-traumatising property-crime, that impacts the lives of truly innocent {& ignorant?} people!_ sincerely: A' K'.
Freckle Freak
02-16-16, 10:20
I realise that my opinion may not be "politically correct" or even popular: but has anyone considered "the Law of unintended consequences" & how it might affect the options these gals addicted to various kinds dope have for paying for their "fixes"/ doses? Does anyone stop to think what other options they might choose to pay their dope-suppliers? & what effect those "options" might have on many innocent Law-abiding citizens? Or does everyone just assume that if these gals cannot get cash by prostituting themselves, or even scamming or just straight-out stealing-from or even robbing guys who they've lured to the site of what the guy thinks is going to be an act of prostitution (which any guy with two functioning braincells knows is going to be a criminal-act for him to participate in) that these gals will simply check themselves into some detox'&rehab' program & get "clean" & "straight" because they can't get this relatively easy cash? Aren't they instead going to turn to breaking-into & burglarizing innocent peoples homes? Maybe even traumatising or even murdering anyone who confronts them during the burglary? Or will they be so desperate for fast-cash that they skip the time-consuming process of transporting stolen property, probably including precious family heirlooms or personal-memorabilia, & selling it to a "fence" who buys such stolen-property for mere pennies of what it's real cash-value is, & go directly to commiting armed-robberies of diners & convenience-stores & gas-stations & liquor-stores & other cash-rich businesses? & in the course of doing that terrorising & traumatising innocent victims? & increasing the likely-hood that they'll cripple or maim or even murder some innocent cashier or clerk or such? Some innocent Law-abiding somebody who might be working two or three minimum-wage jobs to support their own family?
I'd rather these gals relieve, if even only slightly, the acceleration of violent-crime by getting the cash for their "fixes" by keeping their activities confined to getting cash from guys who are, themselves, willingly participating in an illegal criminal activity ("patronising prostitution") rather than increasing the rate violent-crime, or emotionally-traumatising property-crime, that impacts the lives of truly innocent {& ignorant?} people! _ sincerely: A' K'.Ursula already committed much of the above on family and friends. She stole, broke in, committed robbery, set up violent acts on other people. She hasn't committed armed robbery as of yet, at least that we know of. Has one of her ex-BF's committed armed robbery? We really don't know do we? She is a sociopath who is currently living on a mattress in a flop house, most likely turning tricks to get her daily fix and will do anything to continue on with her current life style. Heroin is her sex, is her life, is her existence and nothing next to being arrested and put in jail will stop her from doing whatever is needed to get her next fix.
I know of a provider who just last week made good money on a trip to another City. She knew a guy for many years and he came over to catch up on old times. This male friend has a GF who is also a provider. He came over and robbed the visiting provider at gunpoint. He said things have been slow with his druggie GF and they needed money. She obviously didn't report it because she earned the money in an illegal manner and the ads were up and she didn't think she could explain why she had the money and didn't need Uncle in her biz. So what does this mean. She was a citizen that was robbed at gunpoint and nothing is done because she was shit out of luck to report it. If this had been a drug dealer who had been robbed he would have "Taken Care of the Problem" once he figured out who robbed him. If they weren't getting it by providing then yes they would turn to other means to get the money for their next fix. Let them. Because law enforcement takes armed robbery more seriously than a prostitute getting robbed or a drug war. If ten convenience store clerks were shot every month instead of one then I guarantee Mayors, Governors and law abiding citizens would demand something was done by law enforcement. Where would law enforcement resources be directed towards, the convenience store shooting or the provider that was robbed at gunpoint. Your not going to get the puritanical society of this country to legalize prostitution so it can be regulated and controlled. A single hit of H costs less than a pack of cigarettes. If drugs were taken as seriously as the Zika Virus then the epidemic could be curtailed. So let them rob, cause emotionally-traumatizing property crime, bring attention to themselves by committing real acts of violence on others because that way something might be accomplished.
If you think what Ursula did to her family and friends or what has happened in our society with the rampant growth of heroin used by our children does not constitute "impact on the lives of truly innocent {& ignorant?} people", then you have your head buried in the sand along the banks of the Ohio river. Heroin use is an epidemic and needs to be treated like the Ebola outbreak in Africa.
What happened to the dog?
What happened to the dog?One of my all time favorite movies.
Thanks for the smile.
I realise that my opinion may not be "politically correct" or even popular: but has anyone considered "the Law of unintended consequences" & how it might affect the options these gals addicted to various kinds dope have for paying for their "fixes"/ doses? Does anyone stop to think what other options they might choose to pay their dope-suppliers? & what effect those "options" might have on many innocent Law-abiding citizens? Or does everyone just assume that if these gals cannot get cash by prostituting themselves, or even scamming or just straight-out stealing-from or even robbing guys who they've lured to the site of what the guy thinks is going to be an act of prostitution (which any guy with two functioning braincells knows is going to be a criminal-act for him to participate in) that these gals will simply check themselves into some detox'&rehab' program & get "clean" & "straight" because they can't get this relatively easy cash? Aren't they instead going to turn to breaking-into & burglarizing innocent peoples homes? Maybe even traumatising or even murdering anyone who confronts them during the burglary? Or will they be so desperate for fast-cash that they skip the time-consuming process of transporting stolen property, probably including precious family heirlooms or personal-memorabilia, & selling it to a "fence" who buys such stolen-property for mere pennies of what it's real cash-value is, & go directly to commiting armed-robberies of diners & convenience-stores & gas-stations & liquor-stores & other cash-rich businesses? & in the course of doing that terrorising & traumatising innocent victims? & increasing the likely-hood that they'll cripple or maim or even murder some innocent cashier or clerk or such? Some innocent Law-abiding somebody who might be working two or three minimum-wage jobs to support their own family?
I'd rather these gals relieve, if even only slightly, the acceleration of violent-crime by getting the cash for their "fixes" by keeping their activities confined to getting cash from guys who are, themselves, willingly participating in an illegal criminal activity ("patronising prostitution") rather than increasing the rate violent-crime, or emotionally-traumatising property-crime, that impacts the lives of truly innocent {& ignorant?} people! _ sincerely: A' K'.While I don't condone any kind of violence for anything I have to agree with Freckle Freak. If that's what they're going to do then that's what they're going to do. If it was such "easy" money then where is the need to con and steal from their families? The very people that Ursula needs the most she has lied, stolen from, and scammed. Till they would no longer allow that to happen. Then we turn to advertising on the BP for "easy" money, but wait. She, as someone else put it on here, had the "Pretty Woman" ending and that wasn't enough. She bilked her BF Jim out of over 100 K, and scammed FF for a few K too, and all the while she was still seeing mongers for "easy" money! Oh and lets not forget that while she was scamming Jim and FF she was also pulling the ultimate scam on her family with a faked pregnancy which meant she got to steal from ALL of her family again, plus a gofundme account set up for a family members burial costs!! Now that, IMHO is the epitome of hitting bottom, but that happened over a year ago, while she was still with her Fairy Tale ending BF Jim! Sooooo I, for one, don't see where letting them make that easy money is saving anyone, and like FF feel that arrest is the only way to stop a person like this, and being picked up as JUST a provider wouldn't be enough to get her the time she needs to get clean and go straight. Not that I'm saying I would want anyone to turn to violence, but if that's in them to start with it would eventually win out anyway, and maybe being picked up for armed robbery would get her enough time to turn her life back around. Just a thought.
Freckle Freak
02-20-16, 08:55
While I don't condone any kind of violence for anything I have to agree with Freckle Freak. Not that I'm saying I would want anyone to turn to violence, but if that's in them to start with it would eventually win out anyway, and maybe being picked up for armed robbery would get her enough time to turn her life back around. Just a thought.Familiar with violence. Did everyone forget that she set up Jim and had him beat up by one of her drug dealer friends? She even told me she did it and I didn't believe her until later when Jim confirmed it without me even asking about it. Don't forget that she told me the last time she came to Indy, when I questioned her about why the police were at my house, was she trying to break in? She said if she had wanted to break in like she had done in the past, she would have busted down the door and taken anything she wanted. She broke in to family members homes and stole from them. So I think it's already obvious that she can and will be violent and instigate criminal acts to achieve her ultimate goal of getting her next fix. In the case of Jim the violence was not fix related, it was sociopathic as indicated in her own words when I asked why, "Because I can".
Oh, but I'm sure that Ursula is the only H addict provider on streets that does this, yah right!
Goodness gracious.
The drive alone from Indy to the Ville as many times as you did, leaving empty handed, would have me kicking myself.
Dickens Cider
02-27-16, 18:01
Just finished the Ursala novel. What a shame.
I did see her a few times, ? 2 years ago when she was just starting. Also saw her with her friend whose name I cannot remember. Never in a million years would have guessed then that this would all develop as it did. Man, it still shocks me.
DnC.
BigGuyUAteMe
02-27-16, 19:54
If it was a blond, with a tight little kitty, it was Katie (she was fun then).
BG.
Just finished the Ursala novel. What a shame.
I did see her a few times, ? 2 years ago when she was just starting. Also saw her with her friend whose name I cannot remember. Never in a million years would have guessed then that this would all develop as it did. Man, it still shocks me.
DnC.
Deacon Blue
02-27-16, 22:23
Just finished the Ursala novel. What a shame.
I did see her a few times, ? 2 years ago when she was just starting. Also saw her with her friend whose name I cannot remember. Never in a million years would have guessed then that this would all develop as it did. Man, it still shocks me.
DnC.This is a crazy ass story. I saw star and Katie as a threesome and it was really cool. I remember star saying I had the biggest nicer balls she had ever seen. No other girl has ever said that so it stuck with me. She gave direction to Katie and it was the beds threesom ever other than the twins. It's a shame what happened here, I thought she seemed like a nice person. All of these girls are hooked though or they wouldn't be doing this.
New Country
03-04-16, 22:26
Well written story. You can't make that shit up. I wouldn't feel bad about trying to help her or believing in her. I've given money and continue to give money to providers I think need help. And yes they lie all the time and are not very good at it. If I thought they were feeding a drug habit I wouldn't do it. I'm still naive enough to think if your nice enough to them they'll stop the lying and bullshit. Just don't give more than you can afford to give. Thanks for taking the time to write it. A form of therapy.
SixtiesDude
03-11-16, 22:48
Great advice. Should be a sticky post on the front page of this website.I too was stunned by this story. She seemed unbelievably normal for a provider, more of a girl next door. Saw her maybe six times, and once with Katie, then once just me and Katie. I liked her a lot and was sad for me but happy for her that she found somebody. The only thing I wondered about with her was she told me she had two little girls but didn't have custody? She was remarkable in how many times she could orgasm. Oh well! Wonder what happened to Katie? Tried calling her a couple times but number was out of service.
Freckle Freak
03-12-16, 07:51
I had promised to buy Jim a beer the next time I was in town and now my promise will go unfulfilled because he passed away on March 10th 2016 from a massive heart attack. You can find the obituary at Newcomer Funeral Homes. It is my understanding that Star was with him at the time. This is sad for many reasons. Jim was a very difficult man at times, but I do believe he truly loved Star and stuck by her till the end of his time. Once again the Ursula Saga continues, however I will not be writing any more chapters to this story. The story will continue and either be successful or end in another tragedy. Future chapters are really up to Star at this point, just like it always has been. Those that believe in God my want to say a prayer on Jim's behalf. Those that don't, well one more piece of humanity has returned to the dust from which we arose and his contribution in his short existence on this planet did have some impact on others, especially Star. Good bye fellow man, may your off road trip be muddy and extreme, just the way you liked it.
Member #5077
03-12-16, 11:47
I had promised to buy Jim a beer the next time I was in town and now my promise will go unfulfilled because he passed away on March 10th 2016 from a massive heart attack. You can find the obituary at Newcomer Funeral Homes. It is my understanding that Star was with him at the time. This is sad for many reasons. Jim was a very difficult man at times, but I do believe he truly loved Star and stuck by her till the end of his time. Once again the Ursula Saga continues, however I will not be writing any more chapters to this story. The story will continue and either be successful or end in another tragedy. Future chapters are really up to Star at this point, just like it always has been. Those that believe in God my want to say a prayer on Jim's behalf. Those that don't, well one more piece of humanity has returned to the dust from which we arose and his contribution in his short existence on this planet did have some impact on others, especially Star. Good bye fellow man, may your off road trip be muddy and extreme, just the way you liked it.Thanks for posting FF and rest in peace Jim, thoughts and prayers for the family.
Be safe.
Mamba out!
KaintuckMan
03-13-16, 06:28
I had promised to buy Jim a beer the next time I was in town and now my promise will go unfulfilled because he passed away on March 10th 2016 from a massive heart attack. You can find the obituary at Newcomer Funeral Homes. It is my understanding that Star was with him at the time. This is sad for many reasons. Jim was a very difficult man at times, but I do believe he truly loved Star and stuck by her till the end of his time. Once again the Ursula Saga continues, however I will not be writing any more chapters to this story. The story will continue and either be successful or end in another tragedy. Future chapters are really up to Star at this point, just like it always has been. Those that believe in God my want to say a prayer on Jim's behalf. Those that don't, well one more piece of humanity has returned to the dust from which we arose and his contribution in his short existence on this planet did have some impact on others, especially Star. Good bye fellow man, may your off road trip be muddy and extreme, just the way you liked it.Prayers for Jim. I'm sure the stress with Star caused his death in some degree. Death Certificate should read. Died by Pussy overdose. So sad!
I made a promise to Jim 47 days ago when I first came home and started my journey to a new and healthy life. I promised I would make him proud. He got the chance to see me and know without a doubt that I was doing wonderful and was walking a fine line. He couldn't have been more proud of me so although I feel an overwhelming amount of emptiness in my heart, I am happy I had the chance to show him that. We were going to counseling on top of all the treatment and programs I was attending and things were better then ever. He was struggling with the pain I had caused him by the mistakes I had made and he hated me here and there but we were making such great progress. He was in love with me and wanted to spend his life with me as I felt the same way. Jim was my first true love and he had found true love at 51 with me. I cannot even express the guilt I feel. I hate myself 97% of the time for the things I have done to him. He gave me the world, supported me from beginning to end, loved me unconditionally and treated me like a queen. We mentally physically and emotionally abused one another but at the end of the day, we loved each other. He didn't deserve anything I put him through. All he ever wanted was to save my life and to see me be the woman he always knew I was. Yes, I got to show him that before he passed away but I wanted to show him I could do it and never give up. I will continue to make him proud. I know he is with me each day and I have felt his presence twice since he left me. Not a day will go by that he won't be on my mind, I'll think about him 90% of the day, everyday I'm sure. I miss him so very much. He was my soulmate. I am so very thankful for him and everything he ever did for me. He never had to do anything for me, but he wanted to and he did everything he possibly could. He gave me anything I ever wanted and did everything he could to help me and to get me clean and living a healthy life. Everyday that I wake up, I will tell him I love him and will continue making him proud.
- StarBaby.
Baby, I believe your reading this so I want you to know that I love you and I miss you so very much. When you left me, you took my heart with you. I feel empty inside. I miss waking up to your handsome face and smiling with you. You were my bestfriend and I was beyond blessed to be your babygirl. I'll always make you proud and will never give up. I am grateful to have had the 2 years with you that I did. Thank you for everything you did for me. I didn't deserve it half of the time. I love you sweetie, with all of my heart.
Love always,
Your babygirl.
AUniqueName
03-13-16, 20:10
I made a promise to Jim 47 days ago when I first came home and started my journey to a new and healthy life. I promised I would make him proud. He got the chance to see me and know without a doubt that I was doing wonderful and was walking a fine line. He couldn't have been more proud of me so although I feel an overwhelming amount of emptiness in my heart, I am happy I had the chance to show him that. We were going to counseling on top of all the treatment and programs I was attending and things were better then ever. He was struggling with the pain I had caused him by the mistakes I had made and he hated me here and there but we were making such great progress. He was in love with me and wanted to spend his life with me as I felt the same way. Jim was my first true love and he had found true love at 51 with me. I cannot even express the guilt I feel. I hate myself 97% of the time for the things I have done to him. He gave me the world, supported me from beginning to end, loved me unconditionally and treated me like a queen. We mentally physically and emotionally abused one another but at the end of the day, we loved each other. He didn't deserve anything I put him through. All he ever wanted was to save my life and to see me be the woman he always knew I was. Yes, I got to show him that before he passed away but I wanted to show him I could do it and never give up. I will continue to make him proud. I know he is with me each day and I have felt his presence twice since he left me. Not a day will go by that he won't be on my mind, I'll think about him 90% of the day, everyday I'm sure. I miss him so very much. He was my soulmate. I am so very thankful for him and everything he ever did for me. He never had to do anything for me, but he wanted to and he did everything he possibly could. He gave me anything I ever wanted and did everything he could to help me and to get me clean and living a healthy life. Everyday that I wake up, I will tell him I love him and will continue making him proud.
- StarBaby.
Baby, I believe your reading this so I want you to know that I love you and I miss you so very much. When you left me, you took my heart with you. I feel empty inside. I miss waking up to your handsome face and smiling with you. You were my bestfriend and I was beyond blessed to be your babygirl. I'll always make you proud and will never give up. I am grateful to have had the 2 years with you that I did. Thank you for everything you did for me. I didn't deserve it half of the time. I love you sweetie, with all of my heart.
Love always,
Your babygirl.Do your best to stay on the right path, and don't repeat your past mistakes, and your life will always be one to be proud of. You will find love again, too. I never met you, but I'm sure there is a good person inside you if you let her stay in control. Good luck going forward, Star.
I made a promise to Jim 47 days ago when I first came home and started my journey to a new and healthy life. I promised I would make him proud. He got the chance to see me and know without a doubt that I was doing wonderful and was walking a fine line. He couldn't have been more proud of me so although I feel an overwhelming amount of emptiness in my heart, I am happy I had the chance to show him that. We were going to counseling on top of all the treatment and programs I was attending and things were better then ever. He was struggling with the pain I had caused him by the mistakes I had made and he hated me here and there but we were making such great progress. He was in love with me and wanted to spend his life with me as I felt the same way. Jim was my first true love and he had found true love at 51 with me. I cannot even express the guilt I feel. I hate myself 97% of the time for the things I have done to him. He gave me the world, supported me from beginning to end, loved me unconditionally and treated me like a queen. We mentally physically and emotionally abused one another but at the end of the day, we loved each other. He didn't deserve anything I put him through. All he ever wanted was to save my life and to see me be the woman he always knew I was. Yes, I got to show him that before he passed away but I wanted to show him I could do it and never give up. I will continue to make him proud. I know he is with me each day and I have felt his presence twice since he left me. Not a day will go by that he won't be on my mind, I'll think about him 90% of the day, everyday I'm sure. I miss him so very much. He was my soulmate. I am so very thankful for him and everything he ever did for me. He never had to do anything for me, but he wanted to and he did everything he possibly could. He gave me anything I ever wanted and did everything he could to help me and to get me clean and living a healthy life. Everyday that I wake up, I will tell him I love him and will continue making him proud.
- StarBaby.
Baby, I believe your reading this so I want you to know that I love you and I miss you so very much. When you left me, you took my heart with you. I feel empty inside. I miss waking up to your handsome face and smiling with you. You were my bestfriend and I was beyond blessed to be your babygirl. I'll always make you proud and will never give up. I am grateful to have had the 2 years with you that I did. Thank you for everything you did for me. I didn't deserve it half of the time. I love you sweetie, with all of my heart.
Love always,
Your babygirl.Who really wrote this. Sounds like BS to me. Of course, this is my opinion, so remember that when you reply.
Freckle Freak
03-14-16, 13:21
Who really wrote this. Sounds like BS to me. Of course, this is my opinion, so remember that when you reply.Your opinion matters and I'm sure skepticism runs rampant especially concerning this story. I do NOT know for a fact that it was actually written and posted by Star because I was not there when she did it. That is the only way I would truly know it came from her. However I was informed by someone on the phone who sounded like her, someone I believe to be her, that she did make this post. That is about as factual as I can get. You see based on all that has happened, truth is very hard to distinguish. It's know wonder that many may not believe the post. Has anyone ever heard of the story about the boy who cried Wolf? Of course you have.
Why you may feel that way about it being me or not. You are allowed to believe as you wish. I know it's me, that's all that matters. I unfortunately was the one who watched him fall in the floor and gave him CPR until EMTs arrived so, I am not only having a hard time with him just being gone but also with watching him die and not being successful in saving his life. He was the love of my life, the only one I had ever had. We meant everything to each other. So, my post came straight from my heart and I wrote exactly how I felt. I understand why you may believe that though and you are entitled to your own opinion. Hope you have a great day. I am doing all I can to just keep strong.
Star.
BigGuyUAteMe
03-14-16, 15:15
Who really wrote this. Sounds like BS to me. Of course, this is my opinion, so remember that when you reply.Who could say for sure? It looks like Jim did die of a heart attack, and that's a shame. I hope Star is trying to get her shit together, she could be a great person. I don't like to see people throwing their lives away. This drug problem isn't just in the hobby, it's all over. The opium business is Afghanistan's big business and they can flood this country with it.
BG.
BigGuyUAteMe
03-14-16, 15:24
Prayers for Jim. I'm sure the stress with Star caused his death in some degree. Death Certificate should read. Died by Pussy overdose. So sad!It's happened to us all, but not many to this extent.
I call it Pussy Stupid! You can love someone or something (pussy) so much that you will do things that you wouldn't normally do, or would do differently.
RIP, Jim.
BG.
I have seen Star before she retired to be with Jim and she seemed sweet then and for what it's worth I believe this is likely her post.
I have a "friend" that has waked a similar path as star. It really is like Jekyll and Hyde. Two completely different people when they are actively using and when they are not currently using. All I can say is I hope Star can use this as a learning experience and see how destructive using her drug of choice can be. I hope this was a wake up call for her and she travels down a path that would make Jim proud.
I hope Jim can RIP.
I made a promise to Jim 47 days ago when I first came home and started my journey to a new and healthy life. I promised I would make him proud. He got the chance to see me and know without a doubt that I was doing wonderful and was walking a fine line. He couldn't have been more proud of me so although I feel an overwhelming amount of emptiness in my heart, I am happy I had the chance to show him that. We were going to counseling on top of all the treatment and programs I was attending and things were better then ever. He was struggling with the pain I had caused him by the mistakes I had made and he hated me here and there but we were making such great progress. He was in love with me and wanted to spend his life with me as I felt the same way. Jim was my first true love and he had found true love at 51 with me. I cannot even express the guilt I feel. I hate myself 97% of the time for the things I have done to him. He gave me the world, supported me from beginning to end, loved me unconditionally and treated me like a queen. We mentally physically and emotionally abused one another but at the end of the day, we loved each other. He didn't deserve anything I put him through. All he ever wanted was to save my life and to see me be the woman he always knew I was. Yes, I got to show him that before he passed away but I wanted to show him I could do it and never give up. I will continue to make him proud. I know he is with me each day and I have felt his presence twice since he left me. Not a day will go by that he won't be on my mind, I'll think about him 90% of the day, everyday I'm sure. I miss him so very much. He was my soulmate. I am so very thankful for him and everything he ever did for me. He never had to do anything for me, but he wanted to and he did everything he possibly could. He gave me anything I ever wanted and did everything he could to help me and to get me clean and living a healthy life. Everyday that I wake up, I will tell him I love him and will continue making him proud.
- StarBaby.
Baby, I believe your reading this so I want you to know that I love you and I miss you so very much. When you left me, you took my heart with you. I feel empty inside. I miss waking up to your handsome face and smiling with you. You were my bestfriend and I was beyond blessed to be your babygirl. I'll always make you proud and will never give up. I am grateful to have had the 2 years with you that I did. Thank you for everything you did for me. I didn't deserve it half of the time. I love you sweetie, with all of my heart.
Love always,
Your babygirl.
Thanks to everyone who has reached out to me, your kind words are greatly appreciated. I will have 60 days clean on my birthday this month. No better birthday present then that. I never thought I would make it this far but I have surprised him and I. I will not give up. Sobriety is such a wonderful feeling.
Billyboy0007
03-15-16, 01:56
Thanks to everyone who has reached out to me, your kind words are greatly appreciated. I will have 60 days clean on my birthday this month. No better birthday present then that. I never thought I would make it this far but I have surprised him and I. I will not give up. Sobriety is such a wonderful feeling.Jim was a lucky guy. I bet he died a happy man. RIP.
KaintuckMan
03-15-16, 07:28
It's happened to us all, but not many to this extent.
I call it Pussy Stupid! You can love someone or something (pussy) so much that you will do things that you wouldn't normally do, or would do differently.
RIP, Jim.
BG.I was pussy stupid in my early twentys. I married a 10 in every way. It didn't last long and I learned a valuable lesson. No drugs were involved in our relationship though. She was just a nympo. Time has not been kind to her in looks now. The sun tanned skin of her youth has turned into leather the last time I saw her. I hope star does stay clean and has a fulfilling life.
Jim was a lucky guy. I bet he died a happy man. RIP.He did. We had our ups and downs but we had something special between us. We both felt lucky to have each other.
He did. We had our ups and downs but we had something special between us. We both felt lucky to have each other.I know that Jim and I had our disagreements about you but sorry that you lost him.
BigGuyUAteMe
03-30-16, 13:47
Didn't know Jim, he sure did seem to love you. We only get moment to moment! Try to keep your promises and go back to the person you were or are. I wish you the best, you were special!
BG,
He did. We had our ups and downs but we had something special between us. We both felt lucky to have each other.
First Half
03-30-16, 21:26
Ursula already committed much of the above on family and friends. She stole, broke in, committed robbery, set up violent acts on other people. She hasn't committed armed robbery as of yet, at least that we know of. Has one of her ex-BF's committed armed robbery? We really don't know do we? She is a sociopath who is currently living on a mattress in a flop house, most likely turning tricks to get her daily fix and will do anything to continue on with her current life style. Heroin is her sex, is her life, is her existence and nothing next to being arrested and put in jail will stop her from doing whatever is needed to get her next fix.
Just read this thread today. Thanks for sharing. You guys might want to read this book sometime. Posits that around 4% of the population are conscience free sociopaths. They're all around us. .
http://www.amazon.com/Sociopath-Next-Door-Martha-Stout/dp/0767915828
The Sociopath Next Door
Thank you for posting such a touching story, FF. I knew you had a big heart from previous research on the board. I had no idea how big. How you were able to turn such chaos into a cohesive, well-formed story I'll never understand. Thank you.
As I look back on all of this, it saddens me. Truth is, this is just the reality and life of an addict. I am beyond grateful to have turned my life around and not wound up just another statistic. It has been one hell of a bumpy ride but I am making it each day and continue to better myself. I remember once, Jim told me even if it killed him he would never give up and would do whatever it took to save my life and he did exactly that. I didn't deserve what he did for me or the love he gave me. I let him down over and over and did everything I knew he didn't want for me. No matter how much he wanted it for me, I had to want it for myself. I wish it didn't have to turn out this way but I can't change it. I can only move forward and walk this path. I would like to apologize to anyone that I have hurt, manipulated, lied to, etc. I was in a dark place in my life. Addiction destroys so much along the way. It's truly a sad thing to go through.
XoStarBaby.
BigGuyUAteMe
06-04-16, 11:43
Hey Girl, I do hope you stay on this path, I'm happy and proud for you. No one knows what an addict goes through except them , I'm very happy with most of the paths I've chose, that's one to stay as far as you can. I've seen it from a distance and it scares me for what it will do to people, it has an ugly face and it will destroy you. It changes people even if they are good people. The only way they escape is death, locked up, or one day at a time, and it doesn't work unless they truly want it. This shit is destroying the US!
BG,
Play safe, have fun, give and get respect, do your research, find some crazy good and TPHFB!
As I look back on all of this, it saddens me. Truth is, this is just the reality and life of an addict. I am beyond grateful to have turned my life around and not wound up just another statistic. It has been one hell of a bumpy ride but I am making it each day and continue to better myself. I remember once, Jim told me even if it killed him he would never give up and would do whatever it took to save my life and he did exactly that. I didn't deserve what he did for me or the love he gave me. I let him down over and over and did everything I knew he didn't want for me. No matter how much he wanted it for me, I had to want it for myself. I wish it didn't have to turn out this way but I can't change it. I can only move forward and walk this path. I would like to apologize to anyone that I have hurt, manipulated, lied to, etc. I was in a dark place in my life. Addiction destroys so much along the way. It's truly a sad thing to go through.
XoStarBaby.
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