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Left Fielder
02-24-04, 13:47
For number of posts per states in the US, Connecticut is about to overtake Massachusetts for #4 in the nation, after California, Illinois, and New York. Connecticut is #4 for mongering activity! Incredible. CT area guys have a real haven up there (I'm in NYC area, myself).

MyHobby
03-30-04, 16:21
I just looked and saw both ct and ma were at 4708 posts so i had to cast the vote to break the tie. Lets hear it!!!! Whooooo hoooo we're number 4! we're number 4!

Huggy Bear #2
04-06-04, 23:03
Do you wear you wedding ring when you get a massage done?

Mighty Spearsman
04-07-04, 11:03
Wearing a wedding ring is no big deal at an AMP, however I suspect that most guys take it off anyway, just as most guys would take off their ring when they take a shower at home.

The women who work at AMPs don't care if the customer is married or not, they assume that 80% of the guys are married and make no moral judgments as to why the guy is at an AMP rather than at home. I was told this by the owner/younger mamasan at Hong Kong Spa in Waterbury, who I've known for 10 years.

One WSG poster recently pointed out (accurately) that many AMP girls may ask the guy if they're married because they will then be extra careful to not leave any hickeys or other marks on the guy's neck (and elsewhere).

Mighty Spearsman
04-07-04, 11:14
I cannot take credit for this post - I copied it from "Soaring Eagle," a regular member who posted this on the Houston, Texas board of WSG. But reading it hit home for me, as I nearly got hooked up with a stripper around 12 years ago - the only reason that I didn't believe her adoring comments was when I learned that she was from Jamaica and didn't have a green card, so I cut my losses and walked away. It hurt at the time (she was HOT!) but in restrospect I made the correct move, as this article confirms:

"Here's an on-line article dealing with the ladies in the SC scene:

http://www.identitytheory.com/insight/bruns9.html "

MyHobby
04-07-04, 15:43
Wow, profound article. I've never had an ongoing thing with a stripper but I have with an exstripper. So much of that fits, explains a hell of a lot.

Stoner
04-07-04, 16:04
There is nothing like dating a stripper. The good, bad, and ugly of it all...and there is lots of ugly details involved, beleive me. Its the DEVIL.

Yet, I've never had a regret about it. Wouldn't do it again, mind you...well...maybe...hmmm...may be. If I ever remarry, it will not be for love, nor looks, nor sex, but money. :)

All in all...just know YOUR place and keep them in THEIRS...and everyone stays happy overall. Expect very little and you will learn to appreciate the little things...like her remembering to stop paying attention to herself so much. lol.

One thing he forgot to mention though...most strippers like men who treat them like shit. Men that don't appreciate them, disrespect them, and generally doesn't seem to give two shits about 'em. Such a man can be as ugly as sin, like Ron Jeremy, yet...they will suck his cock like honey drips from it and do whatever they can to make him love them.

You want to date a stripper, you just have to have the ability to turn your emotions off like a faucet and have teflon for skin.


Truth be told...this is true for 90% of the women I've known in this world.

NY Monger
04-08-04, 08:17
Mighty,

Great article!

The only thought I'd add is if she offers a phone number or asks if you'd like it, just say, "No thanks". At that point , she has to prove to herself that she can "get you" , and will mount an immediate campaign to put you in her stable. As the article suggests, you're better off without the number though.

The other suggestion is to say you're killing an hour or two as you sit in the SC and have little interest in the girls, well, except maybe her as she seems different. This will open the dam of how is she different and where are you going etc (which is probably to see how much you spend on dinner etc).

Maybe the best training you can get for manipulating strippers is to go to a Bang & Olufson stereo dealer or some very high end car dealer, where they know the product will eventually be sold, but not to you. Its the salesman attitude (who acts as if he has degrees from Harvard,Yale and Princeton but probably never finished high school) is what works best with strippers.

When its all about the money, you have to suggest that you have it, don't care how or when its spent, but arent going to spend it on undeserving people. She'll prove she deserves it and this works 80% of the time.

I'd also caution this isnt a game for people who have hefty house, child support or tuition payments to make. Its simply not worth it - you'll get the same treatment at an AMP, for a lot less.

Huggy Bear #2
04-08-04, 16:46
Interesting stuff. The reason I ask is, I thought there might be a hint of being treated "extra special" if she thought you were single and the "possibilty" of being available.

I would say more than half the time they ask me if I am married, I usually do not answer, or answer with a riddle or something.

My first time at HK spa, last April, the girl walked in and was all over me, no TS, right into GFE, and asked if I would see her outside of the place. I was thinking, holy cow "freebies", then later in the session she saw my wedding ring.

She still treated me great, but when I mentioned seeing her outside of HK, she mentioned something about "wifey" and we both laughed, and my potential freebie fantasy was over.

Interesting article on the strippers, they make a lot of do re mi, the ones who invest/save wisely, can "retire" and can do something else when they get in their late 30's.

Deeper
04-09-04, 22:58
I got around to reading the article. Interesting stuff but informative.

I was a SC monger for the longest and always enjoyed the wham, bam, thank you mam set-up.

I never gotten serious with any of them (thank God). I still enjoyed the constant attention from numerous women in one evening. It was a high for me. Buying a drink for all the ladies and still leaving the club with a respectable amount of money I came in with.

Even though every man says you can't take the stripper seriously, you can spot out the fakes ones from the real ones.

First the fake ones always "claim" they are bettering themselves or providing for their children. Yeah okay. The real ones never really discuss their outside life. They seem to answer questions only if you ask. Most of us don't ask, we're all about BJ's and FS ( of course there's nothing wrong w/ that), kudos to us.

Really like the article stated, have fun but be realistic. You can't turn a "w#*&e" into a housewife. LOL

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was reformatted to remove extraneous indents and word wraps.

Huggy Bear #2
04-15-04, 21:47
Would you or wouldn't you?

Stoner
04-17-04, 02:56
A Scale I found else where.

1- I was really scared
2- Ugly
3- Homely
4- OK if you are drunk
5- Plain
6- Nice
7- Attractive
8- Really Hot
9- Model Material
10- Once in a Lifetime

Considering how many guys say "So and so is a 9 for sure!" hopefully, this will limit that down to something a bit more realistic.

Keep it real.

Gman1
04-17-04, 05:48
Stoner,

Your bringing up a potentionally interesting debate.

Whether fair or not, in regards to the women that entertain us in our mongering hobby, I seem to give them the benefit of the doubt by adding 1 to 1.5 points on your realistic scale.

In short, a women that I find attractive, would rate a 7 in the real world scale, but I would probably rate her an 8 to 8.5 on the mongering scale.

I think this makes sense. LOL I figure if I can find a realistic 7 in our mongering world, just knowing that I can get boned and slurped for mere money instantly rewards the girlie with her 1 to 1.5 provider "bonus" points.

Just a thought,

G

Stoner
04-20-04, 10:30
Thanks for jumping in this debate starter, Gman.

You see...thats the point. I absolutely abhor going to meet a certain lady, after being told, "Oh she's a 10 man!" to find thats shes, in reality, not very attractive. Pleasant, nice attitude, but far from a model type.

Especially with the AMP reviews. I can't tell you how many times I read, "oh you have to see BLAH BLAH BLAH, shes a gorgeous 9 for sure!" Go to see her and, though attractive...it was not worth the 2 hours round trip to do so. I could get better anywhere local...or at home for that matter. lol.

The truth is...post successful coitus, a lady who is clearly a 5 will rocket up to an 8 in a mongers mind. Get a level head and call a 5 a 5, imo.

IMO, and its just that, my opinion...keep your extra 1 to 1.5 points and put it in a scale of her attitude. ;)

What say others?

Vargr
04-20-04, 12:33
By the Stoner scale I have yet to pick up a SW above 4 and to see one above 5. Haven't seen anything better than 7 in a MP or as an escort (but I did have a 6 escort once long ago.) But then it isn't all about looks -- talent and attitude are major factors. Even a 2/3 can work her kegel muscles and suck like a shop vac.

Aegis911
04-20-04, 17:14
HB2,

I would in a heartbeat. I love the shaved look and feel. Who needs legs? Now, if I ever find a pair of breasts with a vagina between them, I'd be in heaven.

Stoner,

I completely agree with you. Looks are one score, attitude is another. The greatest looking lady in the world won't statisfy me if she has a lousy attitude. Reports submitted by fellow mongers should clearly delineate each.

Aegis911

Gman1
04-20-04, 18:44
Stoner,

While I certainly can't disagree with general analysis, I feel what were comparing here is apples and oranges.

Using real world ratings, I have never seen a girlie that would warrant a 9 or above in our mongering world. But, that's also the point. Of course, I wouldn't.
Why would a girl that stunning be at any of the places I frequent.

I try and rate the women I'm with, with a fair amount of honesty, but also taking into account the back room, the suana, or the swingers club I'm sitting in while I make that judgement.

I guess it comes down to whether or not we should be lenient with our ratings guide to take into account that this is the mongering world and not the real world.

Tough call.

Perhaps, we should come up with a new mongering rating system between 1 and 10 ?

1- dog shit
2- horse shit
3- ugly
4- acceptable, if hammered
5- acceptable, if buzzed
6- acceptable
7- average
8- good looking
9- very good looking
10-***** of the year status

or perhaps something similar?? lol

G

p.s.-- Stoner, speaking of debates, what do you think of my rekindling of the CT swingers thread. Waste of time or not??

Deeper
04-20-04, 18:57
Oh I had to jump in this dicussion.

Well it depends on when you go to have fun?

I prefer the daytime so I don't have on my beer goggles when I'm selecting a lady for a session.

I don't overrate a woman on no means necessary. I rate according to physical and mental attributes.

I usually have sessions with a strong "7 or 8." When I had a session with a "9", she didn't want to be touch or nothing. I wanted to ask her why do you do what you do if you can't stand the idea of being touched? I kept that one to myself.

Anyway my advice to any fellow monger, go to a facility when you are SOBER! There's nothing worst then spending hard-earned money on a "1 or 2" because we happen to rise to the ocassion that evening. Go home sleep it off and come back the next day without the beer goggles on.

LMAO

Trust me, I'm only speaking from experience

Good luck Mongers

Gman1
04-20-04, 21:59
Aegis911,

When I've done my mongering, especially when it pertains to B-port clubs, when I report back with an overall review of the lady I spent the day with, I usually try to incorporate a well defined adjective or two in the "service" rating as it pertains to attitude.
(( i.e.: businesslike, easy-going, subserviant, etc. ))

However, to designate a specific "score" when it comes strictly to attitude seems like a good idea.

I, for one, will attach an attitude "score" on any future report backs. Perhaps it will paint a better overall picture and be more useful to the mongering public.

Great attitude beats great looks everytime, especially in our hobby.

G

Stoner
04-21-04, 01:18
Hey Gman...

Not the swingers thread isn't a waste. Lots of lurkers and I get an occassional pm concerning it.

What you posted was real gold.


As for this discussion...and I love discussions...if you had a time with a 5 or a 6, then call it what it is. Calling her a 9 leads to a wasted time on everyones part. Hey, I've boinked my way up the scale and I'm still looking for a 9 spot with excellent attitude. Never found it...though I know they exist in larger areas for mongering. Of course there are 9's and 10's out there for play. Just have to find them.

In February I hit Vegas and met up with a gorgeous specimen of feminitity. Truly a once in a lifetime for me...a 10...and I paid through the nose for it and die happily and sated...but that was Vegas...not walking in Dutch Point of Hartford!

We all know beauty is subjective. Each man has his own version of a 10, and I respect that. Trust me. If she's got a nice fat ass, talent, great bod and incredible attitude, man... thats a 10 for me. Yet another man will see that fat ass and wince at those thick thighs. Oh well...his loss...I gain again, and again, and again! :)

Yet...Despite this subjectivity, a fair, less balanced assessment is of value. A non-shilled assessment is also of value.

Especially those of you hitting the spots in Bridgeport. I've seen the action there for a year or two now. In no way should those chicas rate as high as some of you guys go. No freakin way at all. I've seen them. Yes, they are sweet and hot looking...but they are not all 9's and 10s. If she's a 7, so be it...Early on...if someone called a dancer a 10, and my car auto-starts, warming up for yet another drive down I-95, black snake in hand all the way. I learned pretty quickly to discredit lots of reports due to mongers giving exaggerated ratings. I can pick up much better at any strip club in the area for a prolonged period and less funky, nasty, cum covered atmosphere. :) No offense should be taken...I have no prejudice just preference.

Ultimately, everyone has free speach and I'd be the last man to censure anyone for their fantasy. I'd just love to see an ounce of consistency on occassion from some of you guys. Makes info a lot more valuable, imo. Right now, I wouldn't trust much out of Bridgeport except by a few mongers I know with clear judgement.

If I'm wrong, feel free to throw a brick at your monitor. ;)

Aegis911
04-21-04, 08:13
Don't the lyrics to an old country western song suggest "the women all get prettier at closing time"?

Rating women will always be subjective. What is a 9 to one is an 8 to another. Some will mark a lady down for bolt-ons while another will mark her up due to the DD's. Some like them thin - even CCL - while others prefer them thick with asses they can hammer.

I suggest that it's all subjective.

Attitudes can be measured accurately if done consistently over a long enough period. We all have our good moments - and bad ones - but over the course of many encounters mongers will be able to discern which ladies provide consistently good service and attitude and which to avoid.

That's where I find the value in these reports.

Just my .02

Aegis911

Huggy Bear #2
04-21-04, 17:12
Imho, I usually dont try to rate looks, because I know my acceptance level has a lower bar than most. Someone who I think might be a hot looking 35 year old, disgusts a guy thats 25, because the paint might be weathered a little or something.

I think I have had a few Plain Janes, and 2 Fuglys, 1 who was my worst ever biotchy waste of money at an amp.

I like this forum, because I can get the gist of which places are consistently good. You guys already have me thinking twice about T for 2 and Cleos. I have an urge to check out an American Model, but dont want to blow hard saved piggy bank money on some Am-Ho belching beer burps in my face while turning 60 minutes into 27 minutes.

When someone gets rated, treat it like the polls, and give it a plus or minus 2.

HB2

Riff Raff
04-21-04, 21:38
Hi,

just joined so you don't know me yet. This is an interesting thread you have going. My scale never agrees with anyone else, I like the thin type with small breasts. Don't know why I just do. My scale has 2 types: if I would she's a 10 if I wouldn't she's a 1. I know this won't help you guys I just thought I'd throw it out there for discussion.

Stoner
04-22-04, 14:08
"If I'd do her shes a 10, If I wouldn't, she's a 1"

ROFLMAO...You guys are killing me!

Damn...thats not a damn scale, thats a light switch, you mofo!

NY Monger
04-22-04, 15:58
Also, have you guys ever noticed that the women look less attractive after sex than before? Once, I looked at this woman after sex, who I thought 30 minutes ago was a ravishing 8.5, and realized I am nuts to risk getting busted for this woman who is a 4, maybe.

Most reviews tend to over-compliment these women on thier beauty and sexual skills. What guy wants to admit hes constantly paying average and below average women for mediocre sex?

Pogo
04-22-04, 18:14
I think George Carlin said it best.

I never had a 10, but I once had five 2's

Pogo

Deeper
04-22-04, 20:40
Stoner

You are indeed a funny dude!

ROFLMAO

I caught your report about that spanish chick. According to what you reported, it sounded as if she scored -10 on the "Stoner Scale".

ROFLMAO!!

Riff Raff
04-22-04, 20:48
Don't worry when I post a report I'll use the Stoner scale.

Mighty Spearsman
04-23-04, 11:29
Deart NY Monger:

The comedian Robin Williams once pointed out that God gave man both a brain and a penis, but just enough blood so that only one of those two items could work at any given time.

Huggy Bear #2
04-23-04, 17:09
Geisha Girl movie to check out:

Titled: "In the realm of the senses"

Arthouse/High Brow Porno.

It's a foreign flick, made in Japan in 1976. The lead actors actually have sex, there is no hiding it. They are having sex more than they are acting and having dialogue. It was banned from many countries till the 1990's.

It's based on a true story of a Geisha Girl, kind of an AMP, where they would bring you some saki, play a tune on their mandalin, then take you to Bangkok.

They de-virgin-ize a new Geisha, and show the penetration, have orgy action, but the 2 lead actors are going at it most of the movie. Warning, there is some gross stuff in there also.

If you get it, make sure it's the uncut version. Just thought I would toss this out there.

Not sure what Siskel and Dickbert would rate it, but I thought it was cool.

Deeper
04-24-04, 16:30
ROFLMAO

You are indeed too much Mighty spearsman!

It figures only you would find some type of way to explain us homosapien male creatures such as ourselves in a surefire way!

ROFLMAO

I'm basing my statement to the "Robin Williams" theory.

Gman1
04-24-04, 22:07
NY monger,

The last part of your recent post sounds like you were reviewing my ex-wife. ?? . . LOL

As far as admitting to sub-par sex, I think most of the mongers on this site are fairly honest with their dealings as it pertains to this type of hobby. You could argue that their ratings are a touch on the high side, but that is so subjective anyway.

Stoner,

As far as ratings go, I think the girlies are just as guilty of over-rating as we are.
The last time up in b-port, the latina girlie I was with was gushing with compliments over my "straight 8" " and I'm fairly certain I'm only a 6.5 . . . LOL . . too funny

G

Suitribe
04-26-04, 15:42
Does anyone remember the ct-adults site and know whether the folks who used to run it are still legit? They were ok when I visited them 3 years ago or so. Despite the fact that the site's been down for a year or more, I called an old number and got a call back. I would like to hear if anyone knows of any recent history with them.

Thanks

CT Boobman
05-04-04, 22:33
As I sit here in a hotel room on business I'm enjoying a show on the History channel on prostitution in the old west. Fun and educational! Check it out if you get a chance.

Brubble
05-12-04, 22:28
Hello fellow mongers,

I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on how to determine if an AMP is just a HJ place? I have visited a few where that is all that I received but I am not certain if I did not communicate what I wanted good enough.

Any help would be appreciated.

GordonFreeman
05-13-04, 16:17
Brubble, all the AMPs in Waterbury are FS. Hope that helps.

Huggy Bear #2
05-13-04, 16:38
Brubble,

Make sure you lay the do re mi on the table either before the table shower or before the massage starts. Act like you have been there before.

If they ask you if you were there before, say yes, a few months ago.

HB

Stoner
07-02-04, 15:44
Interesting...All these new one or two post regular members on several parts of the CT boards asking for lots and lots of details on pricing. Nothing more than that...no...just on *pricing*. No question of where such and such is, or how do they rate. No...how much.

About 5 minutes of reading will give them all of the info in the world.

JMG
07-02-04, 17:00
Stoner --

I agree -- I've noticed that as well. I figured it was a result of Jackson's latest round of member approvals (as noted on the index page at wsgforum).

I also think we, as a small community with a lot to lose, should "monitor their behavior" and keep sensitive info to ourselves until the new member proves himself as a good member of "our" community.

A prudent security measure in these interesting times, IMHO.

A J Bond
07-02-04, 19:53
Stoner and jmg,

I tottaly agree with the last two posts. To quote 1984, Big Brother is watching.

Riff Raff
07-02-04, 22:39
Some people are too lazy to read if the info they want isn't the last post they start asking stupid questions instead of reading back a few days.

By the way some of the new members here are probably like me. I've been in the game since 1983 (damn I'm getting old), but only recently stumbled onto this site.

We just have to be careful.

Stoner
07-05-04, 18:28
Yeah...you are getting old. Damn. '83? You should be teaching a class at CSU on the hobby, man. :)

Guy From NY
07-05-04, 23:21
Well now Riff Raff has only been in the hobby since 83. I have been mongering since the mid to late Seventies. After reading his post I am trying to remember the exact year I started. I can remember the girl but I never got her name. At the time I was too scared to worry about a name. I was almost too scared to go through with it. It was a long time ago but I remember the details like it was yesterday. I guess you never forget your first mongering experience.

Guy

Monger22
07-06-04, 12:40
Looks like LE is in their clean up the planet mood. The whole state seems to have tighter enforcement to different degrees. Now look at Holyoke an Springfield.....Like a hammer...
Makes you wonder if these people are not doing this as a joint effort. Back to Puritain thinking....Whats a guy to do???Well this guy is looking to cheap SE Asia mongering trips for the fall.

SR Only
07-06-04, 14:47
This thread got me to thinking.

I first mongered in the mid seventies. Borrowed mom’s car (really). I’d disconnect the speedo cable from the transmission so it would look like I hadn’t gone very far. I head to NYC.

It must have been ’73 or ’74. I park on Eighth Ave around 48th street (across from the fire station). Wandered down to about 43rd or so and went in. Got a BJ. I may have been a bit drunk. On the way back, I can’t find the friggin’ car. So as I am standing around looking for it, a fireman yells from a window “its across the street.” He probably knew what was up. We can’t thank these guys enough.

The next time was a few years later. Up on Broadway in the high seventies/low eighties. Go up to the girl and we pay an hourly rate at a corner hotel. Up to the room where I start plowing (drunk again!). It was without a cover. She tells me not to come insider her. Sure, no problem.

Ooops, came inside her. She was a bit pissed. I was done, so time to go back home. At least this time I remembered where the car was. :)

In ’79 I was in Miami. Met this chick that was a bit chunky (gotta get out of that habit) in the apartment building where I lived. Turns out she’s a stripper. Some guys rag on her when she dances, so when she’s home, I’m there to help. It didn’t last long, since I moved back north in the fall.

Mid-eighties I learn about lap dances at Scruples. I stop by one day, and they aren’t serving liquor (they got busted). Only two girls there. One just jumps up on my lap and grinds away. I come in my shorts. Way too fun. Cost $3, Scruples before the “fire” in the early days.

I’ve gone into Dangerous Curves, where they did a lot of HJ and FS. I only did HJ. Ruby’s was always a dry rub, but every so often a girl would do the reach around and get me off.

In the summer of 2001 was the first time in decades to try FS, agin (official mongerdom). That was with Tani at Teddie’s. Tani was the best. She would take the little head out and rub her nipples with the little head’s head. If anyone has contact info, please send it along. I loved her moaning. “Iiieeeeooo”

SRO

Dom Daddy
07-24-04, 07:46
I have a question for all of you. When you go to AMPs, and you get a table shower, dont you worry at all about that nasty scrubbie thing they use on you? I always think about this when they are cleaning my ass and wonder how many asses they have cleaned with it before mine. It just seems a little unhygenic. (I think I just made up a word.)

Does anyone else think of this stuff? I don't know, maybe I am just a freak.

Riff Raff
07-25-04, 10:43
Hopefully it's soaking an an anti-bacterial soap so it shouldn't be a problem. HK is really on the ball about cleanliness so I wouldn't worry there. Other places aren't so clean. Judge accordingly.

Bubba261
07-25-04, 17:33
I've always wondered about that thing, too; it's been sitting in a barrel of hot water (even though they have the water flowing into it constantly, but still. Thing is, though, that in the many times visiting those places, many in different parts of the country, nothing has ever happened. So, I guess it's relatively safe.

On that note, I'm always a bit leery of the woman putting the condom in her mouth first, and putting it on me using her mouth. Just where has that mouth been all day?

In today's world, there always seems to be something to worry about, right?

Stoner
08-10-04, 15:07
Congrats to the several with new Senior status. You've deserved it for a while...glad its here.

Wear it like a badge during the day, and let it enlarge your penus another 1.5 inches by night. :)

GordonFreeman
08-17-04, 22:45
Can anyone recommend the best way to tell if a street girl is really an undercover cop/decoy? I used to think that a female cop would not get in the car with you, but I am hearing otherwise.

Gecko911
08-18-04, 00:44
Know the area, get to know the regular SW by site. If you always see them in the same area every week. You should be safe. If you see a new ?SW be very careful. LE will only do stings once and a while not every day. Just get to know you hunting area.

Good luck and be safe

Danbury John
08-18-04, 20:40
Gordon, I don't know of any physical way to tell if they're a cop, but generally speaking, most cops won't get in a car but rather will try to negotiate from the curb.

Refuse to do this and you'll already weed out the majority of them.
Secondly, as soon as they get in you car I start driving and rarely talk business for a few blocks (small talk instead; what are you doing out this late walking and so forth).

Lastly, there's always the (now standard) you show me, I'll show you method to prove neither is a cop since most cops won't show you their breasts just for a small bust.

Granted, there are horror stories out there about police that will track you for a few blocks and will show, but I think that's a rarity and far from the norm. I'd be more concerned about an officer finding me and a SW in the middle of the deed.

Big CT Bopper
08-18-04, 21:25
Gordon,

I'm sure that advice will vary, but I believe that it's better to be safe than sorry, and more careful than not. I'm sure most others here would agree; don't let the little head rule the big one when it comes to this. Here's one mo:

1) I believe that the girl can get into your vehicle (but I believe that most undercovers will not because of safety concerns). Generally, the sting operation is under surveillance; there are other undercover officers nearby watching her approach your vehicle and/or enter it. They are also listening, as she is most likely wearing a wire. This provides strong evidence against you if you are caught on tape offering $ in exchange for sexual activity. That is another issue altogether.

2) I would think it's best that when the girl gets into your car, you give her a good look over, but start with introductions (most guys use a fake name, but it's your choice). Don't mention sex. Instead, say you're "out for a drive," "it's a warm night out," "gosh, there is a lot of traffic," or "wow, there are too many cops out tonight." Something to break the ice. Eventually, she'll bring up the subject. Even then, just say things like, "I know a great place to go" or "do you know a place near here?" Most likely if you've driven a mile or so by then, she's not a cop (unless an unmarked LE car is following you - and you can keep an eye on your rearview mirror).

3) Perhaps before you get to "the place," she'll ask what you want? Just say it. You are not mentioning $ at all. She'll then probably say an amount (ie. .2 for bj, .4-.5 fs, whatever - depending upon a host of factors and the going rate ;) Even then, unless you're very comfortable, don't negotiate or even acknowledge the idea of giving money for what's about to take place.

4) Upon arrival at "the place," take out the cash (remember the amount she mentioned). Hand her the $ - if she takes it, SHE is taking the $ for sex - you can still claim that you offered it as a "gift" IF she were LW, which at this point is quite doubtful as you've driven some distance from the pick-up spot. The only time I'd be even more careful is if it is HER spot and not one you already know. LE could be waiting at the location, I suppose. But again, (see #1), most LE girls will not get in the car and drive any distance with you.

5) Use a condom (or risk whatever).

6) If she takes you to a motel room, it could be a sting op - in which case you need to check the bathroom before mentioning anything about $ or sex.

Other tips:

a) It may or may not be true that an LE girl will exhibit any nudity. More likely, an LE girl will not hop in your car and flash you. This would most likely be entrapment in a court of law (unless you're in a very conservative town ;)

b) A LE girl will not allow you to touch if you say, "hey, do you need a ride. My, you have nice tittles, can I touch one?" Same as above - this would be entrapment.

c) A LE girl will not touch you (other than in a non-intimate place) - this would also be entrapment.

Am I on target with all of these guys? I think so.

I'm not sure if there is a surefire way to tell if she's LE from a distance (before she gets to the car). Some guys might say, if she's too hot, it's a set-up, but I don't know if that's a safe barometer to use. I would say, trust your gut feeling. Keep alert and notice your surroundings. If necessary, make more than one pass rather than pick her up the first time you go by (unless there's loads of traffic and you risk losing her to a fellow mongerer ;)

Good luck!

BCB

Go Tigers
08-19-04, 00:26
BCB-

Good advice and stuff to think about. Nice job!

Big Albie
08-19-04, 17:40
An obvious one from one who was veerrryyy close to being busted:

If she looks too good to be true, she probably is...!

(goes with know the area, girls, etc)

Guy From NY
08-19-04, 23:04
When I was into the SW scene, I used to watch for regular girls that I knew to be SW. I was always very careful and checked out the area very carefully. I would check out an area then leave for a while and come back a little later to avoid suspicion. If I had some doubt I would watch to see if someone else picked her up first. My theory was let someone else fall into the trap if they were not as careful as I was. I always worried more about either being found in mid deed or having someone come around the corner just as I was picking her up. If I was in doubt at all I would pass. Better safe than sorry.

Guy

Jack Ryan
08-19-04, 23:10
Another tip buy a scanner.If a stake out is on LE transmits like how many cars are pulling up and what type. New Britain does it a lot for Drugs and other stuff that way.

Jack

Stoner
08-20-04, 16:21
Thats all not completely the case, boys. Don't forget the loitering, lewd conduct statutes. Or the suspicion that you might sollicit an alleged prostitute laws. They have big nets to use to nab. GWB and Ashcroft gave them bigger ones.

There is a few solid stand bys that can keep you out of problems:
1. Offer them a ride or merely get attention without words.
2. Never talk while you are in the area. Just leave and do not talk accept small talk.
3. Never talk about money, never associate compensation for sex. Don't even use standard euphemisms like "date" or "working". None of it.


We've all been around long enough to know that when a cop is hankering on you, you have little recourse. They can lie and cheat to make their case. Give them as little ammo as you can.


Decoys absolutely can be by themselves in a car with a john. Also, there are numerous cases of decoys taking johns back to their hotel rooms where LE are waiting. I've not heard that tactic in Connecticut used...but its been done throughout the region including New Hampshire in recent months (street trash) and in Massachusetts at a popular massage joint there. The cops actually took over the phones for a brief period and made appointments with johns who didn't know the place was shut down.

Don't be lulled. Very powerful men, including doctors, lawyers, and even popular UCONN assitant coaches (;)) get nabbed. Just keep your nose clean and don't let the face fool you. Sometimes you have to let the pretty face walk away because she draws too much attention to whats she's doing and refuses to "come quietly".

Just my opinion. Be careful out there, folks. If the media gets a bug up there ass, be prepared for the media to start snooping.

Deeper
08-31-04, 18:32
I will be MIA for a while, I'm moving to New York. I will be exposed to a whole other arena of women!

To all mongers who shared their experiences, mishaps and genuine good times with all of us, thank you. Its been great.

Monger on while you can, it appears to me that our hobby is about to become extinct if the state keeps enforcing the issue.

I won't be able to make any reports anytime soon, got to lay low (just got engaged). So much for expressing myself freely.

LOL

Be safe and keep the stories coming.

Happy Hunting this Labor Day weekend.

D.

Stiffy
09-20-04, 23:53
I may have stumbled on a way to get a lady with minimal effort...

There are some chat lines in the area that give free temporary membership...I regularly go on one that gives free half hour membership. The name escapes me...but the telephone number is committed to memory.

Anyways...I go on and peruse the ladies live chat listings. Sure, there are about 30 guys to each gal, but there are ladies looking for some extracurricular activities.

I figure...why not!!! It's easier than checking out the Advocate personals! I met a massuse through this way a while back. (Checked out her phone number recently...seems that she moved) She was hot! Met her at her place at the Regal in New Haven. Best massage I had in a long time...but I'm getting off the subject!

I've found that once you use a phone, the chat line logs that number as already gotten a free membership. So, I just go to another phone! I must have gotten about 20 free memberships so far. Spoke with a dozen ladies...met a few. Not disappointed.

Just something to consider if you want to narrow down the drive.

Mao Dun
09-21-04, 11:47
Hi Guys,

I sounds to me like the safest way to get p4p is in amps; I'm just too chicken and too stupid to try SWs. But I was wondering whether Adult Friend Finder is useful for hooking up with amateurs? It seems that if it works, at least you don't have to worry about LE. But then I worry about scams. There was a news story a month or so ago about a guy getting beat up and robbed in a North Haven motel, set up by the pretty young lady he brought there. They didn't mention their connection, but I suspected something like AFF. Any pool of AFF experience on this board?

Mao Dun

Oldtimer
09-21-04, 20:30
MD: Tried AFF a few years ago. Complete waste of time, IMHO.
Never knew or heard of anyone who scored there, if anyone
has or knows of someone who has, please post.

Whome
09-21-04, 21:11
MD: I have to agree with oldtimers assessment of AFF. Seems like a lot of fakes there to lure you in. For sure there are a few females that are for real but very few and very far between.

There's a site or two around with better odds, but lots of uglies out there too.

Huggy Bear #2
09-21-04, 21:25
AFF info: There are like 30,000 men to 1,500 women in AFF, in Connecticut.

The Women can get up to 100's of replies to their email, guys are lucky to get one.

Even fat ugly chicks in there score, because there are so many guys, compared to girls.

I scored twice, but had 2 very ugly "scares". It's alot of hard work.

Stiffy
09-24-04, 09:17
Well. I was on the phone chat line again the yesterday. checking things out. This time. I remember the name. Thrillseekers. You can get the telephone number in the Advocate.

Spent about 15 minutes cruising the messages when I got to an interesting ad. She was looking for a generous male. This is a sure sign of a business relationship.

Messaged back and forth and she took a live chat call. Asked her to describe herself and what donations were. Very reasonable. but I think that negotiation skills would work very well here.

Gets better, she says that if I'm interested, she could call her friend to join us. I'm meeting her and her friend this afternoon. I'll give full details when the mission is accomplished.

New to the team. but I'll take one for it!

My advice. get the free membership, checkout the line. If you like it, find payphones, call the line, get the free membership again, and use it on your convenient phone.

I'd better rest. I've got a big afternoon!

Stiffy!

Skirt Flirt
11-02-04, 08:41
I have posted and they are not getting put into the forum. It seems the Information has slowed down considerably. Are the posts getting held up for some reason? If there is anything I can do to help I am willing.

Jeff1

Lone Monger
11-19-04, 22:37
[QUOTE=Santa]How many of you guys agree or disagree? Should male pimps be illegal?QUOTE]There was at one time a reason for a pimp, at least in most cultures. Protection for a woman. Now we all know the last 30 years have changed the sex industry and we practically worship these women rather than degrade and beat and rob them like was often the nature of the business back in the day. But we have to prove that the women can trust us. I hate and wont work with a pimp 9 times out of ten but I am also not afraid to tip a decent "tour guide." I like how it works in Latin America. Its very casual there are simply some guys down there that make it their business to know the whereabouts of every working girl around. I would liken them to perverts mostly as opposed to true criminals, thugs or even money makers. But I agree as a rule, and partially because I am very respectful to a woman, I have no need to work with a pimp of any sort and wont. Just take your business elsewhere.

Wolfman Jack
12-26-04, 11:18
I know a lot of you don't read the Boston section, so I'll repost Jackson's reply regarding this 'article'. Must've been a really slow news day, is the war over? Oh wait, our soldiers dying in Iraq doesn't sell papers, but non-stories about prostitution does. There was a similar story in the Hartford Courant earlier this year, and I was quoted (actually, mis-quoted, but can't expect these 'reporters' to actually be accurate now, can you?). Seems these articles make the rounds all over the country. Anyway, here's the article, and Jackson's replies. Jackson, thank you.


Hi Guys,

I don't normally give a flying fuck about anything the self-serving media has to say, but in there are so many inaccuracies in this article that I feel compelled to respond.

Cops reel in pervs, thanks to prostitution Web site
From the Boston Sunday Herald
By O'Ryan Johnson
Sunday, December 19, 2004

"Reel in pervs". Really? First, by who's definition are men seeking sex labeled as "pervs"? To me, the real pervs are the anti-sex perverts who are against the concept of men looking for willing sex partners. Second, if this statement is accurate, then where is the companion story and photos of these arrests?

A Web site that helps men the world over hook up with streetwalkers has outraged women's groups and become a tool for police interested in tracking down johns.

First, I think that "streetwalkers" represent a very small percentage of the number of prostitutes in the world, but of course the use of the word "streetwalkers" evokes an image that is much more powerful than "club girls", "internet girls", "escorts", etc.

Second, the forum has "outraged women's groups"? Gee, big surprise here. Women's groups by nature hate men, and especially men who want sex. Anyway, who gives a fuck if women's groups are outraged? Besides, if this is true, then why haven't I received a single email from these "outraged women's groups", and how come the Herald's public forum doesn't have a single post on the subject?

"This site is problematic, degrading and inhumane,'' said Mary Quinn, director of The Women's Center in Boston. (Prostitution) is one way women interact with men when their childhood has been interrupted by child sex abuse.''

What exactly is "problematic" about the WSG Forum? And concerning the charge that the site is "degrading", I would direct everyone's attention to the fact that the Forum specifically doesn't permit the use of a number of slang expressions that actually do degrade women.

The Web site World Sex Guide Forum (wsgforum.com) is a cyber den for men who get thrills from trolling side roads and back alleys for prostitutes. Johns trade tips on the best places to find hookers, where to be on the lookout for police and when to go on the prowl.

Actually, I don't think that men get thrills from "trolling side roads and back alleys for prostitutes". I think they get their thrills from actually having sex.

Perverse Bay State paramours can find information on prostitutes in Boston, Cambridge, Lawrence, Lowell, Holyoke, Fitchburg, Haverhill, Springfield and Worcester.

When one of these self-described "mongers'' finds a good spot to pick up women, or a place to spend 15 minutes with them, he logs on and posts a note to the other wired johns with all the sleazy details.

In a recent monger posting in the Fitchburg section, "Auto'' thanks members for telling him where to find prostitutes:

Thanks for the tips guys. I did end up scoring in Fitchburg yesterday at around 2:30 after only about 15 minutes on the prowl. I think her name was Shauna or something like that, and I found her on Elm St., by the school. Kind of a sketchy pickup as school was just letting out and there were lots of people around.''

Heavy users of the flesh-peddler-friendly forum have screen names such as "Boston Monger",''GuessWho'' and "SeniorCitizen.''

But Quinn has another name for them. I think they're disgusting,'' she said.

To the anti-sex pervert Ms Quinn, I'd like to say that "I think you’re disgusting too".

Her group helps about 600 poor or battered women a week through counseling, arranging for psychotherapy, shelter referrals and group counseling.

I'm glad that Ms. Quinn's organization likes to help "poor and battered women", but what does that have to do with this website? The answer, is of course, that there is no connection, but that the anti-sex perverts and their media sympathizers always try to somehow link the practice of commercial sex between consenting adults with violence against women, child exploitation, slavery, kidnaping and an entire host of otherwise unrelated issues.

The Web site has no listed owner. The domain name is registered to a post office box in Longwood, Fla., an Orlando suburb. An 800 number provided to contact the Webmaster is disconected.

The Web site's frequently asked questions section says a mystery man known only as Atta started the site in 1999. A fan known as "Jackson'' took over and remodeled the site in 1999. He did not respond to e-mail requests for comment.

I received the emails, I just don't care.

Jackson writes on the site that while the original board was meant as a study in prostitution, his version promotes it.

"Our mission is simple: finding women. . . . If you feel offended by stuff like this, I don't care.''

So what?

Just as drivers flash headlights to warn others motorists about upcoming speed traps, mongers post newspaper clippings of recent police stings, give new users advice on how to spot a decoy - a police officer posing as a hooker - and when to avoid the hot spots.

But while the mongers trade tips on how to stay out of jail, the eyes of the law are watching their cyber-chats. Cops in Lawrence check the site to track prostitution along the crime-ridden stretch of Broadway between Essex and Park streets.

In Boston, police spokeswoman Beverly Ford said officers use the site as an investigative tool.

"We are aware of the site and monitor it fairly regularly,'' she said.

She would not go into detail about how police use the site, saying that could hamper future investigations.

Such bullshit. There isn't a single place or practice mentioned on this Forum that the police don't know about already. LE knows they don't have a prayer when it comes to stopping commercial sex, although they do know that they can have some limiting effect by posting arrest stories in the Forum. It's like stopping drugs at the airport: They know that they can stop more people from carrying drugs through an airport with a media story about their drug-sniffing dog than the actual dog could ever stop. Anyway, that's why there is a limit on the number of arrest stories that can be posted by a single Forum Member.

She said police have no plans to shut the site down, and that the forum is not breaking any laws by letting men swap information about streetwalkers.

"Just talking about it doesn't make it illegal,'' Ford said.

Thank God for the 1st Amendment.

Jackson

Gecko911
12-31-04, 16:24
Court Says Berlin's Nudity Ordinance Unconstitutional
12-31-2004 7:33 AM

(Berlin, CT) -- A federal judge in Bridgeport says Berlin's ordinance regulating adult businesses is unconstitutional. Judge Warren Eginton ruled that banning lap dances and other simulated sex acts is censorship of erotic expression. A strip club that lost its license for violations of the ordinance sued. The judge did uphold regulations that ban customers from touching strippers and one which forbids closed areas for private viewings.