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DeeUncola
01-08-03, 01:04
A few months ago there was a website with a phone number and pictures of girls in a house in Paterson!

Great Rates, too! About $110 an hour. Gorgeous Latinas.

Anybody remember it

StealthMode
01-09-03, 03:17
Thursday before the ice hit, met Shelly. Saw her on Market, went to the Airport hotel, said she'd do whatever for .3 .

Skinny, bout a 5, natural blonde. She said that she can be found mostly around St joes and on Railway Aves.

Skill for first part of 1/2 and 1/2 took me over the edge. Very talented. Got nice and wet and was tight around my finger. I'd say worth the price.

Happy Hunting.
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DeeUncola
04-22-03, 19:47
From Deeuncola/M=Sanchez

To Shorty (or man who uses that handle at other board)

The other board, because of its policies, prevents information being shared.

This could have been handled here at WSG very easily. I assume since you post heavily at UG you must check here and will have enough sense to cross check here. Your information will be provided here. Those who cross to both boards please post.

"Shorty, cross check at WSG for your answer" and let him know the answer is here.

BUT since silkybender decided to ban me again when I did NOT even give an email this time I decided why not. Why should I place by his UG rules when he bans you even for obeying the rules? I will playby WSG rules wherever I am.

The place you seek has its own parking lot in a not too bad area of Paterson close to Polish West Paterson. It is NOT the one on McBride Ave but it is on a street named after a famous racetrack in Queens.

However, it is close to a Burger King, though it is named after a
competitor - Not Wendy's.

In a section over the river from Downtown Paterson over the downtown bridge.

Again, I got banned at the other board and I did not even post my email this time. Silkybender is a bit too strict.

In return for this info Shorty I expect some info to be emailed to me at my hotmail address above.

You seem to post a lot Shorty! Throw a few bones my way.

Reciprocation is in order.

DeeUncola
04-22-03, 20:09
Paterson Bar Blow out

Trying to get an objective list of sleaze bars in Paterson, Irvington and Newark

I tried to get a good thread rockin' at another board but was banned even though this time, I did not even break their rules.

So I will try it here and see if it can revive a moribund thread.

LET'S RATE EVERY BAR IN NORTH JERSEY FOR SLEAZE.

1 - Clothes on, all the time.
2 - breast flashes
3 - breast touching.
4 - breast touching, bush flashes.
5 - breast and bush touching
6 - hand pulls (in your pants)
7 - hand jobs (with member proudly displayed)
8 - blow jobs
9 - Full service
10 - All of the above with girls walking by and giving complimentary Hand pulls for no more than a buck.

Only Towne Tap reached this state of sleaze excellence.

Let's try and rate all the bars accordingly:

My list

IRVINGTON
Vic's a possible 9, maybe 10

PATERSON
Guy's Vie en Rose 8, maybe 9
Moonlight 6 maybe more
Doc's Cave - 6 per one report
Cabaret - 6 but still terribly dull
Marcet 5 maybe more but not dependable. Can make appointments with girls though. A recent report labels it a 6.

There is a bar in Paterson which is hinted in a previous post here at WSG. This bar is a definite 9+. The girls however, are in their 40s.

And of course, the immortal Towne Tap was a clean 10. Too bad it is no longer with us.

This is an easy scale let's use it to rate the bars. All of them

I have given major info. Some of you can add to this list. Let's get a working list more objective than the stripclublist.

Let's see if we can get an operating list of all the bars in North Jersey properly scaled
here. Forget about using the other board.

Some of this info was obtained by private emails. The other board = by forbidding emails = prevents the flow of info.

Lurkers will often email but not post. Emails have to be given to get info.

mailto:deeuncola@hotmail.com

All info is for information purposes only.

DeeUncola
04-23-03, 12:55
Originally posted by Mr. Joyboy DeeUncola, ... That other board has become a real pain in ass with all the rules he has. I think it's a good idea to try to get this board going. ...What eludes the other board is how much info is passed through private emails. For example: Two of the bars I rated, Doc's Cave and Marcet, I have not been to in a while.

Doc's Cave - 10-2000 and Marcet 11-2002

11-2002 is not that far back, but Marcet was raided in December so I cannot know first hand if major changes have/haven't occurred.

However, lurkers emailed me recent info which I posted as reports publicly on their board under MurdochSanchez. Without the option of getting private emails I would never have been able to give the public reports I do as well as I do.

WSG is easier and more to point! It gives the info up and out in less words and time. And Jackson is far more reasonable.

The only thing I liked about the other board was that it had a poetry to it. With its minimal information, people wheedled small gossip into large missives about nothing. A talent of sorts was displayed. How to say the mostest about the leastest.

I wonder if they realize that some of the info on my last posts to the other board was the result of emails I got. [Emails which they would have suppressed.] Emails from people here at WSG.

In other words they profitted from WSG.

Anyhow, my reports on Cabaret, Moonlight, and Guy's Vie en Rose are first person - I went there myself recently last weekend. April -2003.

Vic's I went to myself last summer. July - 2002.

Doc's Cave's report is the result of an email from a recent lurker who was there recently. Marcet is a mix of my November 2002 visit and a report by a lurker this weekend who emailed me some valuable info. Baby Dolls is a mix of my last year's visit and reports on websites and lists.

Jackson emailed me and told me that WSG will be improved soon. And chat areas can be set up when the changes come on line.

If so this board will bury the other. Until then, the other board is a parasite off of this board.

Further info.

I cannot say enough bad about Cabaret. Nothing seems to be happening there. Correct me if I am wrong. It never goes above a six. [See sleaze ratings below]

It survives by catering almost totally to a Spanish speaking clientele. Most of the girls are Brazilian or Russian in Paterson's bars. Cabaret has almost all the Hispanic girls available so all of Paterson's Mexicans show up there. At least they can talk to the girls in Spanish. They won't do much more. It survives as a niche bar.

Cabaret should be rated a dull 6 - you can get a hand pull [not a hand job - see sleaze list below in a previous post] but so what, Cabaret would make it seem dull.

A recent controversy has flaired over George & I in Newark with glorious reports being made at first by some. However, I gave a report of the recent demise of the bar's action last year. When I was there in 2002, the place was cold. Secondary reports are confirming that the bar NO LONGER is the funfest it once was. Its reputation survives from an old Stripclublist report which said it was a wild nudie bar. The stripclublist report has since been amended; the no longer deserved reputation lives on however in message boards.

George & I should be rated a difficult 6 - theoretically possible - but hard to get.

Further reports. Went to Riveria in Hackensack in 2000. Rate it a 1. What was I thinking?

Pleasure Lounge/ So.Hackensack.

Pleasure Lounge is across the street from Teterboro Airport/Rt 46 in So.Hackensack/Little Ferry. It is behind the Flamingo on the other side of the block.

Pleasure Lounge reports are a year + old but the bar seems to have been consistent for the ten years I have known it. No reason to change. NOT A MONEY PIT. YOU CAN EASILY AVOID THE DOLLAR SCAMS!

Have not been to Pleasure Lounge in a while. But it seems to be a consistent 5. Have seen a hooker walk in once in a while - only to be chased out - so an observant customer may get lucky. There is a cheapo Hotel next door: THE JADE EAST. You may get lucky.

Also saw a wonderful blonde drive in in a new car and lurk in the parking lot. A plant or a pro? Who knows?

Fifth Ave - Paterson 2002

A possible 6. Have seen Hand pulls. But what a money pit! Singles fly out faster than even Guy's Vie en Rose.

Flamingo/So.Hackensack/Rt 46 -1999

My experiences at the Flamingo are all bad. Basically a 1 at best. Bars this bad rarely improve but do land office business. Unless it has radically changed. AVOID IT.

Boris' Place/Passaic - Dec 2001

A poor 3. Good looking girls. Not much action.

Tropicana - 1 - Paterson - Spring 2002

This is tricky. The bar itself is terrible. But it is next to a Domincan bar where I have seen bar girls do the Horizontal Rumba with customers in the back room for a few bucks. The Trick is to walk into the Tropicana; buy the VERY EXPENSIVE BEER THERE - or they won't let you into the Dominican Bar where it is cheaper. Then go through the side door - next to the pool table - into the Dominican Bar.

If you know Spanish, buy some of the Dominicana Bar girls a drink and let matters take control.

Hookers walk outside the Dominican Bar and hangout next to an all night store. Use discretioin.

Summations:

Baby Dolls/Paterson - 3 - Summer 2002 visit, recent reports emailed to me. What a money pit for so little.

Boris' Place/Passaic - 3 - Dec 2001 Good looking gals who do nothing.

Cabaret/Paterson - a dull 6 - Apr 2003 Takes talent to make a hand pull dull but they pull it off, pun intended.

Fifth Ave/Paterson - 6 - Apr 2002 - but a total money pit. Might as well burn your money. Would be slower.

Flamingo/So Hackensack - a difficult 1 - 1999 but a bar that bad rarely picks up. Do not let the crowds outside fool you. I found it a disaster first and always.

George & I/Newark - a difficult 6 - recent reports 2003

Marcet/Paterson - 6 - Nov 2002 visit - April 2003 email report. Some girls will give outside phone numbers.

Pleasure Lounge/So. Hackensack - 2002 An easy/cheap 5 with possible outside action available from girls at nearby hotel. Not more than five inside. [Amazingly consistent in this during the last 10 years]

Riviera/Hackensack - 1 - 2000

Tropicana/Paterson - 1 - Spring 2002 But may be a pick up place extraordinaire with bar girls in an adjacent bar and hookers outside.

This is primo stuff I want reciprocation.

Either on board or by email deeuncola@hotmail.com

Someone should compile this info along with the ratings scale on my previous posts and ratings for other bars.

We can make the WSG SLEAZE BAR LIST with objective ratings and comments. I must have provided over fifteen by now.

What we seek is a Towne Tap Vic's comes close but it is majority Women of Color. Towne Tap had a rainbow of colors.

DeeUncola
04-23-03, 23:15
I want to fully address Buffalo Bill's observations. So let me quote two of his posts first. The answers below the quotes.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill There is no such thing as an objective list, especially yours. I have been to most of the bars you listed more recently than have you and I totally disagree with your ratings. I even visited two this evening which you should try - Slappy's and High Beams. Let's just say that we have different tastes.

Your post appears to be an incoherant raving at some apparent injustice done to you elsewhere. Don't bring it here.

Stale and hearsay reports are useless.

Didn't you once say that there were sleeze bars in Clifton ?
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Oh yea DeeUnCola, Why the coyness about naming Micky D's especially since it had been the topic of the three posts prior to your rantings ? Regarding the uselessness of hearsay.

Most of the bar ratings are the result of MY OWN TRIPS, not hearsay. Where a report was given, I noted it as a report and not my own. This assists the reader in deciding the value of the scale.

I had been to Guy's Vie en Rose, Moonlight and Cabaret last week.

Vic's in July 2002

In fact, if you read my posts, you will note that often I DATE MY LAST VISIT to a bar so the reader gets a sense of how up-to-date MY REPORT [not the report of others] is. Where reports by others are given, I note them as reports.

I am quite objective on these.

As for my sleaze rating standards: This is the list and it is easily verifiable.

Do they allow a breast squeezes at the bar [Not necessarily every girl] or NOT?! If not, they are only 1 or 2

That is a fairly objective scale for sleaze.

LET'S RATE EVERY BAR IN NORTH JERSEY FOR SLEAZE.

1 - Clothes on, all the time. 2 - breast flashes 3 - breast touching. 4 - breast touching, bush flashes. 5 - breast and bush touching 6 - hand pulls (in your pants) 7 - hand jobs (with member proudly displayed) 8 - blow jobs 9 - Full service 10 - All of the above with girls walking by and giving complimentary Hand pulls for no more than a buck.

That scale meets the test of objectivity. You need breast squeezing to merit a 3 or more. Now, true, the breasts may not be young, but that is NOT the test nor the scale.

Now if you mean by looks, which is subjective, that is another issue. The sleaze scale is very very objective.

Still even with looks - give or take a point - looks; the scales are often usually agreed on. I may not know exactly what a man means by a 3 in looks but I do know it is low on the beauty scale and can get an approx. idea. So a looks scale is semi-objective.

However, MY SLEAZE SCALE is objective. It can be verified. It is a scientific standard subject to testing.

It is not a measure of beauty but of sleaze.

So rate them ohjectively on sleaze and subjectively on looks.

Would the rest of the lurkers here add in their own two cents and say whether you think the scale is objective for sleaze.

Now as for Clifton

Johnny's a Hitching Post is near Clifton I might have got the address confused.

The Stripclublist.com lists it as "near Clifton" which is where I probably got the idea. Note: It says "near Clifton" on the right side of the page. http://www.stripclublist.com/c.asp?c=15793

Here is a map should you care to go there. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?zoom=7&country=USA&state=NJ&city=Paterson&address=95+Barclay+St

Now to be honest, I have never been to Johnny's A Hitching Post, Hurrahs, Slappy's or Roxxies. I avoid bars where a set price for a lapdance is set. The stripclublist seem to indicate that the above bars have lapdances for $20. This is usually an indicator that the price is out of my league. You will pay too much for too little.

My usual practice is to aim for low end bikini bars where dances are only $1 or $5. My experience has been that in practice you get more bang for the buck for more time at the low end places.

Low end bars appeal to me and these are the bars I have recently visited with ratings and dates I went,

Cabaret - 6 - April 2003 Guy's Vie en Rose - 8 maybe 9 - Apr 2003 Moonlight - 6 - maybe more Apr 2003 Marcet - 5 - Nov 2002 with a recent email report [notice how I distinguish the report from my own visit] of 6 this month.

Vic's - 9 - July 2002

Richmond Beergarten - 5 - Nov 2002

The unnamed bar - 9 - Mar 2003

Oh yes! I do not confirm nor deny the unnamed bar as Mickey D's. I do not want the mystery [or unmystery] bar flooded with customers which would get it raided.

At another board the guesses as to the bar were all over the place. Good. Email me if you want it.

My ravings as to an injustice at the other board are not unusual to me. They are common here on WSG. You would be amazed how many reliable WSG posters have had problems with the other board. And they are not inappropos.

Rantings?! Hardly!

Now, finally, back to Johnny's A Hitching Post the StripClubList comments note on Apr 2 - 2003 by a poster named Tiny

"Tiny - 4/2 H jobs for everyone!"

Source http://www.stripclublist.com/m.asp?c=15793

Maybe the place deserves a second look. Hearsay can be useful.

On second thought, the indication seems to be that HJs are given only during the $20 lapdance - probably requiring even more for the service over and above the LD fee. Other bars allow it at the bar while you sip a drink. For only a few bucks.

I may not try Johnny A's after all.

This should address your concerns by any objective standard.

DeeUncola
04-23-03, 23:27
Have heard of a bar called the Jello Factory.

Still open?

If so, how is it on the OBJECTIVE sleaze scale.

Where is it?

DeeUncola
04-24-03, 23:45
not a quote but an original post
Any bar or food place where SWs hang out conspicuously? Does not have to be strip bars. Regular bars will do!

Anything around Paterson, Hackensack and the surrounding areas for these "skank bars?"

DeeUncola
04-25-03, 12:19
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Good to see Deuncola finally learned to reread his post prior to hitting the submit button......The places which rank on your scale are mostly happy burial grounds for aged go-go dancers. If that's your thing, hey, go for it. Let's hear from our viewing audience if they prefer sleeze or beauty. Perhaps someone might tell us where to find both.

Are you alwys this hostile, or did you run out of Metamucil this morning?

Yes, most of them are happy burial grounds. But not Guy's which the other week had a very young and a very good looking Columbian. There are exceptions - though most are up in years. Guy's Vie en Rose usually has one or two in their 20s who are at least 7s. This particular Columbian was a clean 7 or 8.

Sleaze tends to be inversely related to beauty. The younger, prettier girls hang out at more upscale, expensive places.

Sleaze tends to be proportional to desperation. Older women with a clock running know they have to do more. There are exceptions. Young crack addicts, for ex. But you knew this, I assume.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill ...Why don't you cite Temptations in Passaic which is much closer to Clifton than the Hitch. You seem impressed by the fact that you visited three establishments this weekend. I'm less impressed since I know that they are a couple of feet from each other.

I have never been to Temptations and was less aware of it. However, "the Hitch" is listed as being "near Clifton" on www.thestripclublist.com while Temptations is not. So I went with the listing. I had never mentioned that I visited "the Hitch." All I ever indicated was there as a bar in Clifton when I should have said, "near Clifton." Hardly a big deal.

As for your remark decrying my visit to these places; my point was that I do indeed visit these places. You seem to disparage my posts because I fortify them with the reports of others. In NO WAY, does that mean I don't visit the bars I list as having visited myself. There are many bars I have visited, such as Clancy's in Bloomfield, Satin Doll's in Lodi, or AJs in Seacaucus that I have found to be SO BAD that I rarely mention them at all. Reporting the info of others is useful. More useful than critiques of others trying to share info - while giving no useful info oneself.

Why not give us useful info. On let's say: Tempations.

On a scale of 1-10 rate the Girls at Tempations for looks. I know it is semi-subjective but do it anyway.

Now rate them for sleaze on the objective scale.

1 - Clothes on, all the time. 2 - breast flashes 3 - breast touching. 4 - breast touching, bush flashes. 5 - breast and bush touching 6 - Hand pulls (in your pants) 7 - Hand jobs (with member proudly displayed) 8 - blow jobs 9 - Full service 10 - All of the above with girls walking by and giving complimentary Hand pulls for no more than a buck. Only Towne Tap reached this state of sleaze excellence.

And give us approximate costs for extras.

Can you do this? I have for some bars where visited and I could get the info. You may disparage my reportage but at least I give information.

Can you do this?! Can you give useful info rather than just critiques?

I do NOT mind that you eviscerate me if you would only pepper your assaults with useful info.

Finally, you critique my choice of women.

They seem to be worthy of "burial grounds." Well, I am obliged to answer, good-naturedly, that the apple is often best just before it rots.

Ben Franklin said it better: If you must commit fornication do it with older women. There is less chance of pregnancy and they appreciate it so much.

I am NOT going to get into a flame thread with you but at least I give info; not just criticism.

DeeUncola
04-25-03, 17:34
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Good to see Deuncola finally learned to reread his post prior to hitting the submit button...... ...Let's hear from our viewing audience if they prefer sleeze or beauty. Perhaps someone might tell us where to find both.... [b]

Yeah Let the crew at WSG decide.

But first look at that list - the OBJECTIVE SLEAZE LIST!


1 - Clothes on, all the time.

2 - breast flashes

3 - breast touching.

4 - breast touching, bush flashes.

5 - breast and bush touching

6 - hand pulls (in your pants)

7 - hand jobs (with member proudly displayed)

8 - blow jobs

9 - Full service

10 - All of the above with girls walking by and giving complimentary Hand pulls for no more than a buck.


Now, Girls who are beautiful will not get into sleaze unless they are desperate. Older ones are deserate due to age.

Younger one due to drugs.

Younger ones can make fortunes in upscale bars for no-touch at all.

So beauty and sleaze are often opposing goals. Unless you want SWs.

Thay can be found around Upper Market Street between the BP and Mc Donalds in Paterson. The area can be extended between the Shell Station and the BP, going in a few blocks on either side.

Here is a mao of the general area. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=780+market+street+&city=Paterson&state=NJ&zipcode=&homesubmit=Get+Map

I know you seem to dislike the map links B-Bill, but I suspect the readers appreciate it.

Let them decide by call out, B-Bill.

To those who like maps: That is the general area. You can cruise down market between the Shell, BP and the McDonalds.

The area is super policed. Have seen blonde hookers there. Have also seen cops pulling over cars with women in them.

There is a Chinese Restaurant on 21st Ave - across from the BP Gas Station. which is open all night and the girls walk in to get ribs from what I see. But if you walk out with a girl you will get pulled over. So a smart person would walk in and arrange a meeting elsewhere.

I think it is Chinese; it may be a regular rib joint.

Sleaze and beauty rarely mix.

Disclaimer all information is for informational purposes only. No monies or fungible assets are gained by these posts.

DeeUncola
04-26-03, 12:52
Originally posted by AsianLvr I would have to agree with Mr. Joyboy. I prefer some combination of sleaze and beauty but, in most cases, sleaze tends to dominate. Usually, my only goal is to have a woman release the tension at a fair price.

Rock on, Rock hard.

K-

Sleaze, beauty, and a fair price are competing qualities.

You may get two at a time but rarely three. About the only time all three can be found is if you meet a young woman, one week after she is hooked on crack.

She will be desperate enough to offer sleaze at a fair price. However, within a very short while, her beauty will seriously suffer.

I suppose TIMING IS EVERYTHING.

More often, sleaze and fair price are found to be common - in older and/or less desireable women.

Beauty works against sleaze and certainly against fair price.

Still, if you insist, Frelinghuysen Ave in Newark - and certainly Vic's in Irvington would be the place to go. (W)omen (O)f (C)olor will predominate.

There is one place, I tried a few years ago which once in a while is noted.

South Street and Pacific in Newark. At a bar called Chez My Pal - A Portuguese Restaurant. You can look out the bay windows and survey the women on the corner in complete safety.

Once in a while you see gals there.

There used to be a good looking Spanish (european) girl on drugs. Another report - from someone else - said she knifed one of her customers.

So be careful. My reports on MY visits to Newark are a bit dated. About a year old. So take that into account.

I hang around Paterson more often.

Was in downtown Passaic recently - near the bar and peep show - two weeks ago. Found it dead...dead...dead.

DeeUncola
04-26-03, 13:02
Originally posted by Rebrobate218
AsainLvr,

I did make it to the bar last week. I will tell you they had one acceptable Brazilian. She was not a beauty queen but had a good body with nice fake tits. There were a number of dancers who should retire the g-string like Jordan should retire his number. Others were no prize but you had some that would be ok after the proper number of jagermiesters. All in all a fun sleazy place. Just don't hang out there too late at night.

Mickey D's is safe at night if you park in the parking lot. I have done it more than once.

DeeUncola
04-26-03, 15:04
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill ........ 1) Peek-a-Boos Getty Ave. Zero - Nada - NO SLEEZE ! Just beautiful, vibrant, young women. I suspect that you will WANT to tip the dancers.

You suspect wrongly!


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 2) High Beams also Getty Ave. About as middle of the range as I know of. The dancers will usually hustle you for tips.

Not enough bang for the bucks?! Thanks for warning me. I was considering going there until you warned me off.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill

3) Micky D's The favorite of Der SleazMister. You'll tip them if they just go away.

The word is SleazeMiester.

At Mickey D's. Michelle, the French girl is very good looking. Most are 3s. Have seen a few good ones, though. More bang for the buck.

Marcet sometimes has babes who will arrange for outside work. THe sleaze inside can go to a 6.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Bear in mind that one visit can never prove conclusive, but these might define what is available.

Not exactly true. Sometimes enough can be gleaned in one short visit to warn you from ever visiting again.

Baby Dolls I only went to once. But keeping my horrid visit in mind and reading subsequent reports from others I can see it is not worth a return.

DeeUncola
04-28-03, 20:53
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr. Joyboy
[i]....
Since you asked for suggestions, and being much more knowledgeable of Paterson than those of you who post stale hearsay, I will offer, and ask that
you give us your SUBJECTIVE opinion.
A more complete synopsis of recent visits to Richmond Beergarden in Plainfield.

Was there myself in Nov 2002 and once before. Both times were similar.

Apparently Thursday is their Sistas Booty Night, so if you go Thursday, and sistas and your thing, you have hit black gold.

There is a lapdance area. At the
bar up to a 6 in sleaze at best. More is available in Lapdance area depending on the girl but the nights I was there the women did NOT do it for me so I did not ask them for extras. They probably would not have done it for me, had I asked that night. I looked like a wreck that night.

There is a parking area across the street. The area is slummy but you will be safe. You will not be the only white person there if you are white but you may be one of only two. Latinas do show up. And older russians during the day crew. I hit them during a shift change in the evening.

I have been told by others who have visited that the daytime is the best and more action goes on. I CANNOT vouch for that.

A few blocks away is Rock ave and
strollers can be seen. I rarely pick up SWs. I just notice.

Shake - Her - Lounge - Nov 2002 Dunellen

I hit this spot after trying the
Beergardan,

More upscale. More middle class.
There was one astoundingly beautiful Brazilan girl who for a buck would drop her pants and smile. Great attitude.

Detected that favors were only shown to regulars which I was not.

Sleaze - only saw a 5. But regulars seem to get more attention.

DeeUncola
05-06-03, 19:32
Notes on the view on Paterson

I do NOT pick up SWs but I do notice them as I drive through Paterson.

Was there today:

Went on Market from the Marcet up past the BP [Sunburst] gas station to the International Shell.

Some observations.

There were a few sightings mostly black. One extremely young white girl was outside Teddy's Hamburger joint and returned a smile. Usually an indicator. She was eating food out of a plate standing by a road sign and when I smiled, she smiled back and made a skip and a hop as if to say, "Message received; answer is yes!" She was on that same corner ten minutes later. Blonde. Petite. Probably early 20s.


Was able to verify the name of the Chinese Restaurant where the girls go for midnite snacks on the stroll. It is the HONG KONG Restaurant on 21st Ave. I suspect the strollers walk in there for breaks during their working hours. I had seen them do so in the past BUT I had not caught the name of the Restaurant. I had posted this before. But now I am sure it is the HONG KONG Deli/Restaurant. If you park your car for a second over at the BP[Sunburst] you may be able to walk in and transact a meeting with a girl who is ordering Sum Yung Guy.

Saw one other possible white hooker. The time was 5:30 which was recommended as a good time by a post I read somewhere. The girls line up for the rush hour crush.


Originally posted by John Y. Doe 1-31-93


....Be particularly careful on Tuesday's and Thursday's; the days when many of the sweeps are conducted.....

b) Going along Market St from Rte 80, turn right on Madison. Women walk along Madison, between Market & MLK. They often stand on Madison & Park next to the diner. c) A few blocks along Park, to the right and left of Madison. (To the right they go no further than the RR tracks.) Turning left on Madison onto Park they are there up to 18th Ave. They turn right onto 18th. There is often activity along 18th from Park Ave to MLK (aka Broadway).

The Park Avenue Diner tip was a dud. There may have been a reason. Two blocks up from the diner, a cop car was waiting. I suspect the girls saw it and shied away.

Today was a Tuesday and a sweep day.....See the quote above.

What was the name of that young blonde? Who is she?! Arghhhh!

DeeUncola
05-09-03, 19:44
Had a reason to visit Paterson today. So I got into my sturdy 1981 Riviera - a classic which I affectionately call Ol' Blue for its color - changed the Christmas Tree deodorant stick, and set out for Paterson.

Saw slim, black hooker, with the official boots, on 33rd and Market. Saw another black hooker on 21 st Ave behind the Market St. McDonalds.

Both waved and were dressed to sell.

Another was walking Market and waved to me.

Other, than that Paterson was totally dead. Usually one latina or a white girl can be spotted at any given time; not so today.

Of the sistas, only the one on 33rd & Market looked nice. Probably 20s, a 7 in face and figure. I am not into sistas but that is an individual preference, not a prejudice - you may adore them. If so, Paterson is your kinda town.

Today was spring cleaning with cherry pickers on duty. Every burnt out light bulb on or near Market St, was being changed. This meant a minor police presence, which may have caused the girls to move elsewhere.

But Park & Madison was dead. All of Madison up to Route 80 was dead, except for one suspicious bleached redheaded latina I saw leaning on a pole. She was NOT there five minutes later so I cannot vouch for her.

This action - or lack thereof - was during rush hour.

I stopped into a joint to have a burger. Pretty tasty.

All in all, it was a waste of gas.

5-10-03 Edited a spelling error

DeeUncola
05-12-03, 01:34
I had to repost this as I accidentally sent off by mistake a post I had not finished editing.


Originally posted by Wooly Thanks Bill,

That explains why I saw nothing as I drove past there Thur. night. Your posts are valuable. You first mentioned Slappy's.

That other guy is directing us right into the stings.

Hardly! I reported the action as I saw it and it was NOT spectacular.

I never pick up SWs in my car. I will however go to a watering hole where the SWs stop to take a drink,

Such a place was the Nugget Lounge in Jersey City or O'Healys in Paterson Plank Road in North Bergen - the latter is now closed. These are where Sws would walk in to wet their whistles. These bars are close to the stroll but I would NOT pick up a SW in my car NEVER.

In an earlier post, I warned of such police action in Paterson:


my post of 4-25-03, Deeuncola [i].... To those who like maps: That is the general area. You can cruise down market between the Shell, BP and the McDonalds.

The area is super policed. Have seen blonde hookers there. Have also seen cops pulling over cars with women in them. ...

Buffalo Bill dismissed my post with a contemptuous comment.


post of 4-26-03, Buffalo Bill .... I taw I taw a puddy cu*t. I taw I taw a puddy cu*t. I did taw a puddy cu*t !!!!!!!! Sufferin' succotash !

Buffalo Bill, and now you I suppose, dismiss my posts as bogus.

But I gave ample warning over two weeks ago. "The area is super policed."

Buffalo Bill reports a news article AFTER THE RAID and suddenly I am suspect in my reportage.

Here is a clue. I reported the heavy policing BEFORE THE RAID. He reported it after.

THINK!

DeeUncola
05-12-03, 12:34
I did have reason to be in Paterson this weekend. So I got in ol' Blue, my emphysemic Riviera, and headed out, its arthritic valves wailing in pain, its camshaft squeaking, its muffler coughing, and my engine leaking oil at substantial amounts as a sporadic puffs of blue smoke would rise from the tailpipe.

Market St. was totally hooker-free. Dead. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

This is odd, as Buffalo Bill reported a raid on Wednesday night/Thurs morn.

Well, there were more girls out on Friday than on the weekend. One would have thought the girls would slowly return after the raid with the weekend being more amply stocked than the day after the raid - Friday. NOT SO!

I will not specify the day: Sat or Sun.

I suppose it will be a while before the night life returns.

As I reported two week BEFORE THE SWEEP..."it is super policed." Cops were still there on the weekend.

Some guy was honking at me to speed up.

So I pulled over to let him pass.

A cop car came flashing out of the side street - I thought the cop suspected I was going to pick up a girl at that moment. Well, NOT AT THAT MOMENT. I just wanted to let the horn freak pass.

The cop pulled over the guy who honked at me. I tried to see if he had a girl; but could not get a peak.

The point is: The cops are hiding everywhere.

DeeUncola
05-18-03, 15:08
For the week of 5-11 to 5-17

At some point during the week - I will not mention the day - I was in Paterson on business driving my sclerotic Buick.

The action is non existent 'cept for a girl I saw on Van Houten. Medium build. Couldn't tell if she was dark Sicilian or light Dominican.

Sat on a corner. When I looked at her for more than 5 secs, she stood up and started to walk over. Saw a cop car pull in a block and half behind me, so I ignored her and drove on. Who knows, maybe it was a taxi. I just saw something suspicious on the roof and headed off without thinking.

Be careful, peoples. The rear view mirror is your friend.

Paterson may have to be abandoned for a while. Give them the round. Things will calm down for a month, then it will resurface.

How is Rockland Cty? Maybe have to reconsider those long trips to Newburgh. The problem with Newburgh is that the stroll there is only a block and a half from the police station.

My usual practice is to locate the stroll, park the car, and go to a nearby bar and WAIT! WAIT! until one of the girls comes in wanting to wash the taste out of her moutn. Less chance of having car seized.

The problem with Paterson is that the nearby bars are VFW, very few whites. And I am hopelessly caucasian. This does not always spell trouble - I can usually handle Latino bars; but you will stand out, making an anonymous conversations with a walk-in lass more difficult to persue in private. 'cause every eye will focus on the lone white guy.

Some bars are exceptions to this.

The Marcet Cafe poses absolutely no problem if you are a lone white guy. They are used to us coming in. And the Marcet Cafe is only a few blocks up Market St. from where the strolls begin. So girls do walk in BUT ALAS usually for drugs not sex. Be careful. peoples.

The police would not think twice of charging you with drug crimes even if all you want is sex.

DeeUncola
05-21-03, 02:28
Originally posted by Wooly ... Never seen any girls walk in and just loiter although some tip dancers will walk in trying to get a gig. (All dancers at Marcet work for tips only.) I have, a few times in the afternoon or early evening. Black girls will walk in. And mix a bit. In light of the recent crack down about two weeks ago, this may have dropped off. Hence your failure to see action.

BUT NOTICE However, you cited me wrongly. I never said the girls were doing this regularly, just sporadically. NOTICE: how I qualified this action as minor.
Originally posted by Deeuncola 5-18-03 ... And the Marcet Cafe is only a few blocks up Market St. from where the strolls begin. So girls do walk in BUT ALAS usually for drugs not sex ...Did you catch it? Let me quote it again. "So girls do walk in BUT ALAS usually for drugs not sex ."

I hope that clears things up. I try to be precise as you can see. Had you read the report better you would have noticed that. No bother, we all make mistakes.

Again let's look at your comments:


Originally posted by Wooly ...Never saw any SWs outside, only that nice gentleman who watches my car. When did you see SWs walk in ? Notice again from my quote, cited above: "... And the Marcet Cafe is only a few blocks up Market St. from where the strolls begin."

I never said the stroll started at the Marcet. It actually starts a few blocks further up past the turn off to Rt. 80.

However, girls will sometimes walk outside the usual boundaries. USUALLY FOR DRUGS.

When I'm at the Marcet, I stick my head outside the door every 1/2 hour to check on my car. And on a few occasions I have noticed black women standing duty on the corner.


Originally posted by Wooly ...only that nice gentleman who watches my car...

Drunk though he is, he is a friendly sort. Throw him a few bucks. He will actually watch your car.

Now I have noticed how you seem to light into my reports. Maybe you have something against me. I will not get into a flame war. My reports are honest.

I mentioned the Marcet in passing because I was explaining my philosophy of picking up girls in bars a few blocks from the stroll. It is sometimes hard to find an inner city bar where a white guy can feel safe.

Marcet is a bar where a solitary white guy can feel safe. I have been there at 2:30 AM at closing and felt totally safe. I was the last guy out as a matter of fact.

The last time I was there at Marcet was Nov. 2002 but I have been going there for a while and I doubt anything has changed from what I read and people tell me. My reports were based on MY EXPERIENCES though.

The chief problem I saw at Marcet is that you are more afraid of a drug raid than a vice raid. Dealers come in and you can see small packets passed to the girls. You have to pay attention.

Other bars do this but at Marcet it is less hidden.

Ny recent reports on Paterson - Market Street and Van Houten - are true. Whether you like the reports or not.

I do get into Paterson now and then. When I do, I take a tour of the red districts and make a report. I do not pick SWs up in my car but I will notice where I see them and post it.

Pickins have been slim recently but the reports were honest. Actually understated. The other day I had to get out of my car on Market Street as I was going in to get something to eat. There was an older white woman standing duty who saw me walking by and tried to strike up a converstation as I got out of the car. This struck me as odd. When I did not answer, she tried to call me over again. Was she a hooker? Probably! But I did not report it since I could not be sure and I do not want to give misleading info. My reports are understated. They are accurate.

The recent Van Houten report was the truth. Now if you spent as much time reporting real info as you do misinterpreting me, the Paterson board would rocket off.

DeeUncola
05-26-03, 03:08
Originally posted by Wooly
Dropped in at Marcet last night. I've now been there five times in the last two weeks. Only the fat uglies this time. One beer and out. Did not notice any drug dealing or streetwalkers.
The Marcet is spotty. Often it is bad. Sometimes it rocks. When I went there last year - NOVEMBER was my last visit - I regularly did the in for one drink and leave trick. Once walked in up to the stage, was not happy, and left with no drink bought. This is a good technique.

The one drink and leave is a good method. he no drink and leave is preferred BUT sometimes the place rocks and then you stay.

As for the lack of girls coming in and out - Market Street has been dead for the last two weeks. I have been in Paterson a few times since then, Me and Ol' Blue, Over that time I really saw no confirmed hookers in the Market Street area that used to be hooker congested.

Note: The Paterson reports are for the last two weeks and for afternoon cruises. Only Van Houten had 1 girl. While Market Street had a few maybes, I was never sure. NO ONE WAS BLATANTLY TRICKING LIKE BEFORE THE STING.


Originally posted by Wooly

Explored a few other bars. Found some attractive dancers at those two bars on Getty, near Madison. Seem that there was action to be had in the upstairs lap dance area at one. I passed. The really beautiful gals were at the other place, which does not have lap dance. Which was the action place? High Beams or Peek A Boos? I have been to neither but may reconsider if reasonably priced action is available at one. Send me to the place where rules are bent.

You and I do NOT see eye to eye but the one beer and out routine is de rigeuer for Marcet. You have to be able to go in and size it up in two minutes or less. Else you can waste bucks. But once in a while, you hit gold. This technique should be practiced by all.

DeeUncola
05-26-03, 03:18
Report on Paterson

Week of 5-18 to 5-24

Went in for a short while this week. Will not state which day(s). Saw three "maybies" on Market Street. One was white/latina. Two were blacks.

Cannot be sure though. May have been nothing; just unusally skanky looking women on Market Street. Consider it ZILCH, ZERO, NADA.

Did not scout Van Houten. Given the devastation of Market Street, I got demoralized. It is just too depressing,

Oh, when will this seige end?

DeeUncola
05-28-03, 23:21
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 12-31-02
Micky Dee's has no reason to exist. Surprised to hear
its still in operation. It's a lot like Marcet, except
much lower class and without the benefit of an
occasional attractive dancer,

An older post but deserving of an answer:

Observations from my Jan and Mar visits 2003:

Michelle is a very good looking French girl there. A regular. She is very expensive but will be obliging.

There is one girl, an American, who is chunky but who once loudly offered the patrons FS for $100 and $80 for BJ. She claimed you get what you pay for.

Most of the Brazilians bargain considerably lower. One of them was rather good looking, a 5, and only charged fifty. Not all the girls do things.

There is a bit more. But Mickey Dee's is underrated. True a lot of the girls are at the end of their years but the booze is cheap and regular customers will sometimes get freebies.

Beauty is rare at Mickey Dee's but pleasant is not unknown.

There is none of the money hustle of Marcet. And Marcet has 1/10th action at best.

Mickey Dee's is the last stop before the street but it has its pluses. It is the closest I have seen to the Towne Tap of Irvington in action. But the immortal Towne Tap did have a few fresh flowers in the mix.

DeeUncola
05-30-03, 03:00
Just a little help from the D-man*

This site
[NOT a competitor's site;-nor
even a girlie site but a beer page]
explains the dangers of boozing
and babe hounding at the same time.

http://www.mikeleo.com/beer/beer.swf

Be afraid!

Wben prowling the depths of
Paterson bars take this warning into consideration.

*Found this website when somebody posted it elsewhere.

DeeUncola
06-01-03, 01:25
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill ...and Twins in S. Hackensack (which no one can find).... Do you mean:

Twins Plus Lounge 2 South Main Street, South Hackensack, NJ 07606 (973) 473-1720

These are the map / driving directions, if I am right. Never been there. Got to try it. Maybe this weekend.

http://directory.superpages.com/supermaps/mapinit.jsp?T=South+Hackensack&N=Twins&PG=L&STYPE=S&R=N&S=NJ&AL=&MC=&map.x=212&map.y=125&level=8&lat=0408703&lng=-0740463&POI1lat=0408703&POI1lng=-0740463&POI1name=Twins+Plus+Lounge&streetaddress=&city=South+Hackensack&state=NJ&zip=07606&LID=0042519050&LS=&display=1&AD=&GV=0&GL=&FN=&PP=N&CID=


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill ... I won't mention the several which I like in Newark. Since your posts indicate an insistance on quality - as opposed to my preference for sleaze at the expense of quality, if necessary - I suspect on of those bars is a bar I found in the iron bound.

A bikini joint where sleaze was low. Exposure was limited if at all. The girls however were all above 7s and young. The crowd and the girls were mostly Brazilain and it was the Ironbound area. A friendly place. I remember it was dark with Christmas lights on the bar rim above the bar. Beer was $4. and the men's room was downstairs about half a flight.

If you are into high quality girls, low sleaze this is your joint. Everyone was personable and friendly. The largest amount of light came from well lit cigarette machines. And it was unusual, if I remember correctly, in that you had to go up two or three steps to enter.

I wish I could be sure of the Name. I was either Don Costa, Galacia, Day After. or Go-Go Something. [I used the Strip Club list to refresh my memory so I might have the names wrong. It could be something else. I think it was near Adams St.]

I remember that you took Pacific Street in Newark to the Southern End and the Bar was on a cul de sac nearby. Two roads ended at it.

If someone can confirm the name it might ring a bell. The odd thing was that two or three blocks away on South Street, hookers, were strolling, yet the bar was middle class.

I miss the PUBWAY. Right in the center of Newark. What a great bar. The Pool Table in the rear. The full collection of girls. Brazilian, Russian, and sometimes even an American. I miss the relatively easy parking - for Newark. You could always park on the side street next to the restaurant across the street.

Girls were usually older but some could reach a 7 in looks. Sleaze was a guaranteed 6. You could cop breast and bush feels. A hand pull could easily be gotten. [I got one offered to me but by an unattractive lady who put her hand down my pants. I demurred. That is: I pulled her hand out and gave her a george as compensation for the slight.] Sometimes more could be had but I only had up to a 6 - anything above a six is only reported to me, not first hand knowledge.

Closed down a year and a half ago but scuttlebutt had it that it would open soon. They had a sign to that effect for a while on the front window. If anybody knows anything?!

Used to drive around there for a few months hoping it had re-opened. Finally gave up.

I miss the dance stage at a perfect height to slam your face into the girl's belly button or muff. It put the girls about two feet off the ground and your nose could often be perfectly situated to DATY. Sometimes the gals would grab your hair and rein your head in to assist you in finding the popcorn.

The problem was seating was so hard to find. They never even had enough seats for the bar.

Only other problem: The girls tended use this hyper powered cologne. Eau De Gallon that reeked. You came out smelling of a Choo Choo Cherry/Kool Aid odor.


IS THIS GEM EVER GONNA OPEN AGAIN?!

Only two problems. Not enough seats for customers. And the girls tended use this hyper powered cologne. Eau De Gallon that reeked.

DeeUncola
06-01-03, 10:52
PATERSON REPORT

Week 0f 5-25 to 5-31

Had to drive in on business one evening. Checked out both Market Street and Van Houten. Did not check out B'way. But Van Houten is usually busier.

TOTAL NOTHING!

Stealthmode is reporting something.

Either he has a keener eye or his morning patrols are a better time than my evening drives.

The seige continues!

DeeUncola
06-02-03, 00:40
Some corrections to MY post of yesterday:


from Deeuncola - 5-31-03 wish I could be sure of the Name. I was either Don Costa, Galacia, Day After. or Go-Go Something. [I used the Strip Club list to refresh my memory so I might have the names wrong. It could be something else. I think it was near Adams St.]

I could NOT remember the name of the bar I noted in Newark, so I drove down to scout it out, today.

The name is OFF-SIDES GO-GO BAR/RESTAURANT

Off Side Restaurant & Bar Inc 96 Avenue C, Newark, NJ 07114

From what I saw in 2002:

There are a few steps up to the bar. The girls are young and about 7s in looks. Sleaze level from what I saw was low. Bar was dark. Men's room was down a half flight of stairs.

If you are into friendly, low sleaze white/Brazilian girls this is your place in Newark.

For the life of me, I could NOT remember the name of the place. It is not on the stripclublist so I could not refresh my memory there. Hence I had to drive down today.

In the area, I saw a few hookers. Around Goble Street and also South Street. However, I was NOT looking for them. I was there to get the GO-GO joint address and name correct.

Use MAPQUEST For a reliable map.

Again my apologies for not being able to remember the bar's name last night.

I did not go in today. I just wanted the name. There was a guard on the outside of the bar. Today and in 2002 when I was last there.

DeeUncola
06-02-03, 01:35
My report of the Twins Lounge. First my quote of yesterday:


by Deeuncola 6-01-03 Do you mean:

Twins Plus Lounge 2 South Main Street, South Hackensack, NJ 07606 (973) 473-1720

These are the map / driving directions, if I am right. Never been there. Got to try it. Maybe this weekend.

I then posted a link to a Superpages map

I got the address from the Superpages Search Engine which also gives a Map.

The address is right. Unfortunately, the Superpages map was wrong.

I had the presence of mind to check it on MAPQUEST which gave the correct map.

The Problem stems from South Hackensack's geography. It is three non-contiguous parcels and therefore it has more than one South Main St. So two different websites generated two completely different maps from the one address.

MAPQUEST has the correct map - it is the map by Felician College.

I give the MAPQUEST here to correct the Superpages map I had posted before.

The problem was with the Search Engine. The Address was correct on Superpages. But the map was wrong on Superpages.

HERE IS THE CORRECT MAPQUEST MAP.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=2+South+Main+Street&city=South+Hackensack&state=NJ&zipcode=&homesubmit=Get+Map

It is down South Main St. from Felician College next to a Condemi Motor Lot. Which is not Italian for Condoms.

I expected this bar to be a no sleaze dud.

I was amazed!

There were breast and bush fondlings allowed. It was a clear 5+ on the sleaze scale.

Though the girls are 40+ish, they look better than the Paterson girls. On looks there was a 4-7 spread today. They have a way to go before Mickey Dee's.

Consider this on a par with the Marcet on an average day - only with better looking girls. I did NOT see handpulls, though. If they are available I did NOT see them.

NO LAPDANCING AREA. So extras will be hard to get. Girls will sit by you though.

This will vary with the girl [One even refused to flash breast for me; but that could have been just me.] But today was wild.

One bartender was chunky but with a nice rack.

The following bartender was short, blonde and muscular.

One of the more notable dancers was an Antonia, from the Ukraine, with blonde/white hair. 50ish, she still looked good and nimble and was ever eager to please the audience with looks and touches. On more than one occasion she put her hands on the dance stage, her feet on the bar, with her frontal bottom in view and she allowed men to move the bikini to place their cash and fingers where they desired.

She was a four in looks but her sleaze was high.

Another was a 7 but allowed little. Another was a tattooed young lady.

The bathroom is notable for having the smallest basin I have ever seen in my life. Fully functional though. And it had PURELL disinfectant soap for those who wanted to go home with clean fingers. Attention to detail. The place has to be respected.

I had never expected to find this in Bergen County, and for those of you afraid to enter Paterson, this may be a welcome oasis.

I am pleasantly surprised. I recommend this place to all. By the way, one of the girls led me to believe she offers extras at other establishments where she also works and lap dancing is permitted [there is no room at Twins].

I am wondering if I should reveal the other place SHE TOLD ME. Give me some opinions.

DeeUncola
06-02-03, 17:43
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
No, you are not right (as usual).....
Using that map, your chances of finding
Jimmy Hoffa are better than finding Twins.
Give yourself at least two or three hours to
look for it. ...

Well, maybe our posts crossed and this
explains why you attacked me, BUT
as you can see - just look at my post
before yours - I used a MAPQUEST
MAP and I did get to TWINS quite easily.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
....Unless you call for directions, you'll
NEVER find it.. ...

And more to the point: I am the one
who posted the phone number - NOT YOU!

So I await your apology, I was right overall.

Superpages gave the right address even
though it was the wrong map. Plugging
the address into Mapquest gave a
different map. Both were easy to
remember. And so I checked both
places out. Since they are on similar
lines of directions from where I live.
When the Superquest map failed I
drove to the Mapquest area and
found the bar in 5 minutes.

The address given is correct as I stated,
but"...The Problem stems from South
Hackensack's geography. It is three
non-contiguous parcels and
therefore it has more than one South
Main St. So two different websites
generated two completely different maps
from the one address...."

If you look again, you will see that I posted
the correct MAPQUEST MAP and my
experiences there ahead of your screed
where you mistakenly accused that I was
"...not right (as usual)."

I found the bar amazingly wonderful.

And I found it WITHOUT CALLING thus giving
the lie to your, " Unless you call for
directions, you'll NEVER find it. "

I merely used the SUPERPAGES MAP
and when that did not work, I went to
the MAPQUEST MAP. I had kept both
in my head and it took only a few minutes
to find it.

For those interested enough, the
MAPQUEST MAP is on my 6-01-03 post
below.

Though it was originally recommendly
by B. Bill, I am not so vitriolic that
I dismiss everything B. Bill says, even
though one of his chief activities here
is attacking me. I stand above his
histrionics.

TWINS IS HEARTILY RECOMMENDED.
A 5 on the sleaze scale depending
on the girls. And the girls can reach
a 7. Usually better quality than Marcet
in looks. Though often just as old, they
are in better shape. It seems
extracurricular activities can be arranged
there. I will not go into the details.


by Buffalo Bill 6-02-03
There are other sites for rating strip bars.
This site is for finding women and getting
laid. Let's stick to that.

For a man who criticizes strip bar posts,
you have posted quite a few yourself.

Strip bars are a valid method of meeting
girls to get laid. I have done it. It is
safer than street cruising and less chance
of an arrest. The posters here seem to
appreciate the info - ALL EXCEPT YOUR
RESPONSE TO MY POSTS.

Still I actually took your recommendation
of TWINS and found it pleasantly wonderful.
Thank you!

If Jackson takes exception, let him state
so. He is a nice guy and I respect him.
He has never questioned me on this.

Mickey Dees and one other bar in Paterson
are sure fire bars for getting laid. If you
got the cash, you get the bash.

So the mention of Strip Clubs is quite valid.

Suffice to say that at TWINS arrangements
for out of bar services did occur.

My point: I will not "ABASE" myself by
getting into a tête-à-tête with you.

When you give good reports I will
act on them. I did so politely this time
and took some advice going to TWINS
based on your hubris laden challenge.
I even thank you for the recommend.


from Buffalo Bill 5-31-03
Twins in S. Hackensack (which no one can find).


I did so quite easily. See above.

I apologized to the readers here
for the SUPERPAGES MAP but after I
posted the SUPERPAGES MAP
I realized that South Hackensack has
such a wacky geography that I had
better check it on MAPQUEST which
came up with a different map. I
remembered both maps. And found
TWINS quite easily at the MAPQUEST
location.

Within 24 hours a correction was made
and I am sure no one - EXCEPT OF
COURSE, YOU B. Bill - was put out.

My correction also gave a blow by
blow description of the wonderful
establishment and I am sure everyone,
excepting yourself, is happy.

Since I am only a Regular Member [hint, hint]
I was not able to immediately edit my
first post. I figured I would check both
areas and report back the next day.
Which I did.

Note: NO need to bounce me up Jackson.
I have half a mind to become the first 100
post Regular Member. The call is yours
whether Senior or Regular.

This is primo info, fully accurate and -
inspite of B. Bill's protests contrariwise -
probably appreciated by many here.

My post on Newark below should also
be of interest. The Bar was OFF-SIDES.
Sleaze was low, looks were high but
this is from my memory of 2002.

Of more interest, and not about SCs,
South Street and Goble Street had
hookers on them.

I am sorry for nothing to report on
Paterson streets but there is
NOTHING ON PATERSON STREETS
TO REPORT.

At least not that I see.

The siege there continues.

DeeUncola
06-02-03, 17:57
Originally posted by Wooly
Hi Beams is the one with lap dances,
I actually prefer the beautiful Brazilian
ladies at the other. I did not go
upstairs but reported based on my
conversation with what appeared to
be a satisfied patron who had just
come downstairs. Therefore this is
second hand info. The dance is $20,
don't know what tip is required.

I prefer to report what I actually know
and places that I have actually been.

From a reliable source -
not hearsay nor a website
nor a customer - I have
heard some very good
things about Hi-Beams
lapdances.

May have to check this place
out soon.

Any of you out there able
to better provide info? I can't
as of yet.

DeeUncola
06-02-03, 18:11
For whatever it is worth:

I was in Newark yesterday
looking for a strip club.

There're hookers in the Ironbound
near Goble Street and also near
South Street.

I have regularly seen hookers near the
intersection of South and Pacific Streets.
They hang out near there.

A Marvelous Bar Restaurant with
a bay window overlooking the street
is there. It is called CHEZ MY FRIEND.

You can park your car up front and
watch it and the girls as they walk
by. You can scan without cruising.

Go Mapquest and input this
address:

Chez My Friend
188 Pacific Street,
Newark, NJ 07105
(973) 344-2426

Was nearby yesterday and the gals
were strolling. I did not stop to
ask them as I usually do not
pick up gals in my car. Beside
I was looking for a bar called
OFF-SIDES.

Once I stopped into the Chez My Friend
Bar for a drink. The regulars were
laughing as they immediately
guessed I was cruising.

Some girls came in and they
identified one to me as
a Spanish-European
hooker on "drogas."

She looked nice.

Another inferior website later confirmed
my initial info with a report that this
Spanish girl later knifed a customer.
Be careful out there.

They are there, and unlike the rest
of Newark, there may be a majority
of white gals among them. No racism
is intended but this is a noticeable
difference from Frielenghuysen Avenue.

DeeUncola
06-03-03, 00:41
First a quote of mine, which B. Bill was responding to
MY quote of 6-01-03 One bartender was chunky but with a nice rack.The following bartender was short, blonde and muscular. Now B. Bill's response:
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Seems a little mixed up. Sonia is short, blond, slightly stocky, with substantial hooters. She is a former dancer and had been known to be available for take out. I was describing two bartenders. I was there during a shift change.

The second one may have been Sonia. She was a short, blonde, bartender But I would qualify her as muscular. Could be a preference in adjectives.

The first bartender was short and stocky and had a nice rack. Her hair I thought was black. Could have been the lighting.


MY quote of 6-01-03 Another was a tattooed young lady
B. Bill's response She's back !! Tall, very skinny, Jet black hair. Most miserable personality I've encountered..... Skinny. Black hair. Swarthy. But struck me as short. She did not flash much, at least to me, which could be evidence of nothing more than healthly self respect. Her name was Jacquie - if that helps.

She was funny though and had the bar in stitches.


B. Bill then adds .....Most miserable personality I've encountered (present company excluded). Well, I like you, too. B. Bill
B. Bill continues Leo promised me he'd get rid of her.

From what I read and you seem to imply, you complained to Leo to get rid of her?! Is that true or am I reading that right?

That is cold man! If she is nasty, don't tip her.


MY quote of 6-01-03 I am wondering if I should reveal the other place SHE TOLD ME. [MY note - regarding a gal who promised more action at another establishment]


B. Bill's response If you had provided a description of her, I could have told you. Now I'll have to make an educated guess.--Doctor's Cave.

She did NOT mention Doctor's Cave. But I will not go down the road with this so that you can derive the answer by process of elimination.

Sure, you could've given me information; but would you have? You love to tell how much you know and what little you think of what I know.

I make no claim to monger fame but while little I know is classified and qualified. I give 1-10 ratings on sleaze and 1-10 ratings on looks. Do you?

I mean your posts are more about how much YOU KNOW but not so much about valuable information.

Anyone who read my post on Twins knows what roughly to expect in looks and action.

All you tell them is that such and such a place is good or, as in the case of TWINS, that it is hard to find.

My info gave sleaze. Gave Looks. Gave Address. Gave phone number. Gave a map, albeit corrected.

Which post conveys MORE REAL INFORMATION.

Even your friend Wooly conveys good info.

But if you want to find out which bars she was referring to: There is enough info in the Paterson posts to limit the bars to one of two.

As for Doctor's Cave: I have not been to the Doctor's Cave since Oct 2000. So I cannot give up to date info. But it was no big deal in 2000. Maybe I missed something.

At that time sleaze value was 6. Looks were a 3-7. I asked for outside action. Could NOT get it.

If things have changed let me know.


B. Bill continues BTW, The ladies at Marcet are usually more attractive. They have improved during the millenium since you've last been there. Well, maybe true. One of Wooly reports seems to indicate otherwise.


WOOLY quote of 5-23-03 Dropped in at Marcet last night. I've now been there five times in the last two weeks. Only the fat uglies this time. One beer and out. This is typical Marcet. Hit or Miss. Sometimes it can be great Sometimes Argh! Actually, Wooly gives good information at times. I can respect that. His observation "One beer and out." seems to tell me the Marcet must not have changed that much.

True: This that quote does not give us info about the other four times. Maybe they were great. I doubt it.

Marcet was spotty in 2002 and Wooly's seems to indicate they are still spotty. Still, I may check it out again. I could be wrong. You never are!
finally B. Bill finishes You need not give me any of more tips for places in Newark. I know Newark even better than I know Paterson or S Hackensack. And I know places better than Twins ! Then post them! Instead of telling us how much you know...POST IT!

Give sleaze and looks ratings. Give dates of visits.

I do all these. What do you do except tell everybody what a monger you are? And how hard your secret places are to find.

DeeUncola
06-03-03, 01:01
A lot of people here who question my reports should be more precise. I alway try to give sleaze and looks scales for every bar I am in. Do they?

THE SLEAZE SCALE

1 - Clothes on, all the time.

2 - breast flashes

3 - breast touching.

4 - breast touching, bush flashes.

5 - breast and bush touching

6 - hand pulls (in your pants)

7 - hand jobs (with member proudly displayed)

8 - blow jobs

9 - Full service

10 - All of the above with girls walking by and giving complimentary Hand pulls for no more than a buck.


Rating the girls on looks 1-10 is easy and roughly accurate even if subjective.

These two ratings plus some verbal explanations can convey a lot of useful information.

Telling us the girl is great may not be as useful.

By all means describe, but the ratings scale helps. So add the numbers.

Then describe for further details.

It is like a review. Now matter how well written the review, the first thng you get is the NUMBER OF STARS.

For ex:

Yesterday's visit to TWINS So. Hackensack,.

Sleaze - 5+ Looks 3-7

Description: The girls were 40ish; but better preseved than the crew at Marcet's, at least the Marcet of last year when I was there in November 2002.

I liked TWINS. Outside action was offered.

For further info read my posts.

Instead of bragging what you know. Tell us and use the scales.

DeeUncola
06-07-03, 08:26
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill When pigs fly. You posted WRONG information. You're so proud that caught your own ERROR, but you flame me for pointing out your ERROR. Your excuses are nothing weasel words. Try to get it right before you post it.

How many posts do you have now without a single bit of useful information?

Regarding TWINS I posted the phone number I posted the correct address.

Next day I gave a description of the place. A 5+ in sleaze Next day I gave a description of the girls I described them as roughly between 4 and 7 in looks though they were older. I noted that outside activities could be arranged.

Yet, you accuse me of giving NO information.

Your wonderful synoposis of the place


by the inimitable B. Bill - 6-02-03 No, you are not right (as usual). Unless you call for directions, you'll NEVER find it. Using that map, your chances of finding Jimmy Hoffa are better than finding Twins. Give yourself at least two or three hours to look for it. I do not see information there. You confined yourself to attacking me. What useful info was found on your post, Bill!

Why didn't you offer a counter map link. I did, the next day when I realized my error. You could've beat me to it. You did not. The only info you really offer is your opinion of me.

Something I do not do to you. I even thanked you for the recommend of TWINs. Still do! Thanks.

It is easy to give error free info when you give no info Bill. On the other hand, my info which is substantial is sometimes linked to an error, which I correct as soon as I can. I would've posted the second MAPQUEST map immediately but since I am not a senior member I have to wait to edit.

Bill, again I politely ask, when posting Strip Club info, give

A) Sleaxe rating 1-10 I do B) Girl rating (looks) 1-10 I do

and a brief description of the experience in words. I once asked for people to give price ratings on a 1-10 scale but that also can be given in words.

My posts are examples of such useful information.

Below is an example of non-information:
by the inimitable B. Bill - 6-02-03 You need not give me any of more tips for places in Newark. I know Newark even better than I know Paterson or S Hackensack. And I know places better than Twins !

This is totally useless. What worth is THAT to anyone?! An "attaboy" to yourself? You accuse me of self-congratulation. What is that?!

Look, I may not have your torrents of cash so I may not know as much as you about the plethora of strip bars in New Jersey.

But what I know I post and I give good information.

From what we see of you, you post little and brag about what you ain't posting.

Bill, we got into a flame war once which Jackson rightly edited out of the Paterson thread. You had seemed to have ticked off not only me but a few of us.

May I recommend the policy of

Dr. Torpedo 1-28-03


posted by Dr. Torpedo 1-28-03 Please don't bust other people's balls when they report things. It only discourages people from sharing their experiences.

Now inspite of my personal animus for your vitriol, I even thanked you for noting TWINS.

You have got to stop so vilely busting other people's reports.

Now, there is an inferior board where I was banned. Much to my surprise, a recent post to that board referred to an older post of mine which they still had up and described the info on my post as perfect.

He took my advice and according to his own report came out satisfied for around $80.

This is a report on a board which banned me. Yet, even one of their posters took my post. followed my advice and came out a happy camper. Even after I was banned I was getting acknowledgements on the accuracy of my reports.

Try and be nicer Bill.

Thanks for the report on TWINS.

If you report on an even better strip club, I will go there, too. I do not let personal animus stand in the way of fun.

Just report on higher sleaze bars where little cash goes a long way.

You recommended TWINS so you do know of these bars, even if you prefer classier establishments.

I will thank you for good info even if you lack the class to stop busting my balls. I am here for info, not to teach you manners.

To the rest:

A lot of information can be given if everyone would just give a sleaze rating and a looks ratings.

Cash ratings and more detail can be given verbally but a 1-10 scale for sleaze and looks is very helpful.

DeeUncola
06-09-03, 00:05
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill When pigs fly. ... How many posts do you have now without a single bit of useful information?

Probably less than you Bill.

Went back to TWINS again.

The girls

Atonia a 4 in looks, 4 in sleaxe, late 40ish

Sharon a 5 in looks, 5 in sleaze, 50ish

Alba a 6 in looks, 3 in sleaze early 40s

Not as wild as it was last week.

The girls were nice

THe Blonde muscular bartender I was referring to was NOT SONIA - as you suggested - but Jean. I made sure I got her name this week. But unilke you I do not trash people for honest error.

I gave real info here. Can you give something other than criticism, B. Bill?

DeeUncola
06-09-03, 22:59
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DeeUncola [i].

The address of TWINS is in South Hackensack.

DO NOT LET THIS FOOL YOU.

South Hackensack is three NON- contiguous parcels of Land.

One is next to Teterboro, south of Hackensack. One parcel is near Wallington. I have no idea where the other is.

TWINS 2 South Main St. South Hackensack, NJ

The easiest way is to take Rt 46 West and get off at the River Road exit. Take River Road South near the Passaic River. Follow it South and it will meander at one point and there will be a cut off to the left. Do NOT take the left cut off. Stay on River Road to the End. Near the end it is called Saddle River Ave. Turn right. That is TWINS on the corner of Saddle River Ave/RiverRoad and Main St.

To get a map go to www.mapquest.com

Enter the address

2 South Main St. South Hackensack, NJ 07606

That will be TWINS.

Enjoy yourselves

Here is a link to the Map http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=2+South+Main+Street&city=South+Hackensack&state=NJ&zipcode=07606&homesubmit=Get+Map

DeeUncola
06-10-03, 04:38
Originally posted by Wooly If you did not experience it first hand, if you cannot take full responsibility, it is hearsay!

The reliable source is a dancer who works at High Beams. I met her at another bar where she announced that more was available at High Beams.

Someone who would qualify as the provider.

She told me first hand.

DeeUncola
06-10-03, 05:23
Originally posted by Wooly The readers here have no problem with any of Buffalo Bill's reports. Every one contains vital first hand info, which has proven its value to other readers.

It was you who flamed his six month old report on Micky D's with old and totally useless trash.

Let the record speak for itself


from a post by Buffalo B. 5-31-03 Thanks Repro, Micky D's sounds just as I remembered from my visit about a year ago. If you enjoy it, that's great, but it does not make me want to try it again. There are too many other places which I know I'll enjoy. Marcet, Slappy's, Peek-a-Boo, with the beautiful ladies, Diva's in Haldeon and Twins in S. Hackensack (which no one can find). I won't mention the several which I like in Newark. [NOTE] He was responding to a commentary by Reprobate218 on Mickey D's.

What is interesting is that you esteem Buffalo's memory of last year "vital first hand info" while my information about Mickey D's from Jan 2003 - only five months old - THAT?! you esteem to be useless.

Was my 48 hour old info from TWINS too old for you? It was more info about TWINS than Buffalo gave.

And that last sentence. A lot of useful info there. B. Bill gave us little info about the bars with the beautiful ladies in that post except that he liked a few and he would not even mention the ones he liked in Newark.

For those who do NOT want to rifle backwards.

A rehash of MY Jan 2003 experience

Mickey Dees 110 Belmont Ave Paterson NJ

The girls in Mickey Dees are 2-7s in looks with 3s predominating though a French girl Michelle was a 7.

Sleaze is a 9. FS can be had with some - not all - of the girls - I HAD IT MYSELF.

There is a parking lot next to the bar, My car was safe.

That is what constitutes "vital first hand info".

NOT "I won't mention the several which I like in Newark."

DeeUncola
06-10-03, 23:13
6-10-03

I drove thru Paterson today

Saw a light skinned gal give
the "hello sailor" look and smile
as she swivelled her hips to the cars.

24th and Market St. Paterson

Life may be returning to the city.

DeeUncola
06-11-03, 00:24
Originally posted by Wooly NORTH NEWARK ....In addition to Broadway itself, the side streets are sometimes hopping. Today, in the rain, I found Jeniffer on Grafton near Broadway. Young (28+-), white, large floppies and clean. Admits to being a druggie and has scabs on her face which she picks when she's high.

Very able and willing provider. Find her before the ravages of drugs take her completely.

Wooly, I hate to be the one to break this to you; but scabs are one of the symptoms of Kaposi's Sarcoma which is one of the initial symptoms of AIDS.

I do hope you did NOT share body fluids with this girl because it seems that maybe, just maybe, you did not get her " before the ravages of drugs take her completely."

On the couple of occasions I was at the Towne Tap before it closed, I once was offered a lot by a scab ridden women. I, fortunately, knew scabs were an indicator of AIDS; and I turned down her offer.

For further info on this, check this first website:

http://www.seattlegayclinic.org/ ask_the_doctor/Ask_The_Doctor_FAQ.cfm Note: make that webaddress all on one line or it will not work.


from the first site listed above .....HHV-8 (the virus that causes Kaposi’s Sarcoma, seen in people who already have HIV),

True the questions deal with oral sex, but it establishes that Kaposi's Sarcoma is often a symptom of AIDS.

And what are the symptons of Karposi's Sarcoma?

From this second website:

http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:bNxW84LG_GAJ:umed.med.utah.edu/ usmle/topics/First%2BAid%2BPathology.doc+%2Bscab*+ +%2B%22kaposi*+sarcoma%22++%2B HIV&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Note: make that webaddress all on one line or it will not work.


from the second site listed above Kaposi's sarcoma: reddish purple patches, plaques, or nodules over the skin... Finally if those two do not convince you, this third site should:

http://www.aegis.com/pubs/beta/1999/be990718.html#k


from the third site listed above KAPOSI’S SARCOMA (KS): an abnormal or cancerous proliferation of cells of the blood and/or lymph vessels causing tumors on the skin, mucous membranes, and/or internal organs. KS typically appears as purplish or brownish lesions. Types include classic KS, African KS, and AIDS-related or transplant-related KS. KS is associated with a herpesvirus (KSHV, or HHV-8). It occurs more commonly among HIV positive gay and bisexual men than among others with HIV disease, indicating that it may be sexually transmitted. Did you catch that last line.

" ...it may be sexually transmitted."

See a doctor tomorrow. With certain forms of retrovirii, an initial cocktail of medications can knock it out of your system completely. And in a month you may be home free.

Sit on it for a month and the virii may be immutably lodged in your system.

I know you hold me in contempt Wooly but take my advice on this. It may just have saved your life.

Let's be careful out there people. AIDS is not a strictly Gay disease, though it is more common in gays.

And try and know the obvious signs of AIDS.

1) Scabs. [Even if not Kaposi's Sarcoma or AIDS related - may be an outbreak of Herpes.]

2) Extreme Thinness - Heroin Chic - probably a symptom of AIDS or major drug use. Probably a walking biohazard.

There are others. I do not know them all myself. But SCABS everyone should know.

I know most of us cannot operate our dicks and our brains at the same time but let's try and keep the danger at a minimum. Go in covered. Literally. And worry more about the girls than the cops.

As for Jennifer - until Wooly reports back he is clean - we should all avoid her.

No criticism here, Wooly. I've done horrendously stupid things - worse than this.

Try not to be as dumb as I can be and get this checked.

PS: I do NOT have AIDS. My stupidities were in other arenas.

DeeUncola
06-11-03, 01:03
Originally posted by OneEye ...Twins...I love the sleaze factor, Very high I would rate it a 8...... Also This is a GO-GO bar, NOT a strip club. Ceeeeyaaa!! Technically it is a go-go Bar not a strip club. You seem to use a tighter definition of strip club than I do; but if breasts and muffs are flashed, I call it a strip club [de facto] even if legally it is a bikini bar.

At Twins, the girls do present their breasts and muffs for your viewing and touching pleasure.

So, in fact, if not in law, TWINS is a strip club, though de jure it's a a go-go Bar.

Though I probably should qualify. Legally strip clubs in Jersey cannot serve booze; so there may be a benefit in using the tighter definition provided it is qualified since it shows whether or not booze can obtained.

Now concerning your sleaze rating of 8:

I use a sleaze factor scale like this:

THE SLEAZE SCALE

1 - Clothes on, all the time. 2 - breast flashes 3 - breast touching. 4 - breast touching, bush flashes. 5 - breast and bush touching 6 - hand pulls (in your pants) 7 - hand jobs (with member proudly displayed) 8 - blow jobs 9 - Full service 10 - All of the above with girls walking by and giving complimentary hand pulls for no more than a buck.

If your are referring to my "objective"* SLEAZE SCALE then an 8 would mean that blow jobs can be had on premises. If so, I may go back as I have sorely underrated TWINS. I gave it only a 5+. You can touch some of the girl's breasts and muffs; but I have yet to see more action on site.

Of course, I suspect your 8 referred to your own scale of satisfaction. Let us know. If you did get a BJ, I have to return soon.

Places I have been to recently where 8 or above sleaze has been personally obtained by me, myself.

Mickey D's and Guy's Vie en Rose. Jan 2003 and March 2003

One of the advantages of strip club sex is that you can examine the girls before you go for them.

Unlike a street walker which may jump into the car - only then would her scabs become evident.

====== * Objective because certain objectively ascertainable requirements have to be met. If no blow jobs, no 8 ratings. If no FS, no 9. No hand pulls, no 6. Very rarely will FS be available and BJs denied, so the ratings are assumed inclusive of lesser activities. ie: If you can get FS, a HJ should be available, too.

DeeUncola
06-13-03, 23:43
Went to Hi Beams on Fri 6-13, from 5-7PM.

The girls were outstanding in looks. NONE below a 7. Many above.

Not much was flashed but you could dollar plunge. And thereby grab a peak. After a while some girls would flash you. Not much bush but bush nontheless. And after a few dollars a nipple of clit can be rubbed if only barely.

Girls will dance with you on the seat until you cum if you let them. I would not. I hate stained pants.

They will sneak nipple or bush peeks if you give enough singles.

They offer lap dances upstairs until you cum..."make you happy." I asked two and neither would agree to FS though I said I would pay extra. So I did not waste $20 for an LD.

Looks ratings 7-10 (I was only there for one crew, though)

Sleaze ratings 6- They will tug through your pants, not inside, hence the minus.

More may be offered. I did not see it, tonight. Supposedly, Saturday is a blast, I was told. But apparently the high standards of looks are not kept up on Saturday. One girl who told me she works at Hi Beams on Saturday - at another bar - was only a 4 in looks. So I assume as more girls come in, more slack is cut with looks.

Sleaze 6- Looks 7-10

This may have possibilities.

If you like looks and cum-in-your-pants sleaze this is the place. But it will not be apparent at first. The fun does not begin until you tip and then buy them a drink to sit with you.

DeeUncola
06-13-03, 23:52
Recently was at Mickey D's.
This week, that is.

Girls

Michelle is a 7+
One was a 5.
The rest are 3s.

While not all are willing,
some girls are. Suzannah is;
though some may consider her
a mere 3. She is really a 3+.
I saw that the backroom was
being used for service, with
a gal I know who gives service.
Got it from her once myself.

Looks 3 with the occasional better.

Sleaze a straight 9 with some girls.

Went home on Market Street that
evening. Saw no hookers.

DeeUncola
06-14-03, 14:57
Originally posted by OneEye While I'm at it I would have to rate Cabaret in paterson...a 7 on the Scale. and Midnight go-go a 6 with possibe 7 depending on the girl. I almost had penetration one time with a cute black girl who knew how to shake that ass.

Roughly what others say. I saw one quy get a long slow her-hand-in-his-pants tug, so I would rate it a 6. [hand pulls].

But you are packing close to other reports. Never saw a hand job [with pole proudly displayed] at Cabaret. From what I saw - and others confirm - the money game is as bad as Guy's Vie en Rose where when the fun starts, the girls come over for tips. But Guy's offers more. [From my own personal experience]


Where is Midnite Go Go? More info. If you nearly got FS maybe the place is worth checking out.


Originally posted by OneEye As for a club with an 8 rating, I once got it at Johny's in paterson though such a thing cost $40 for VIP room. (if you can call it that). I like the sleazyness of the place, but the majority of the clientele is a bit scary, as are some of the dancers.

Guy's Vie en Rose is an 8 [Blow Jobs] but the dollar scam is terrible. They descend as soon as the action starts.

Mickey D's is a 9 [Full service]. But no dollar hassle.

Maybe so is Guy's. I saw what looked like FS once but a towel was draped over the Demilitarized zones of the dancer and dancee. Seen one guy get a hand job. Got a quick BJ there once.

The difference is that at Mickey's you pay $20 for a lapdance room while at Guy's you have to buy Ursula, the bartender, and the dancer a drink and every girl has to be tipped a George.

Never been to Johnny's. What makes it so scary? Is the bar all black? All Latino? All poor?

I like your title for my scale, OneEye. So now, using the Sleaze-O-Factor© scale:

Best Sleaze bars in NJ I have been to:

Towne Tap - 10 - alas Closed. Mickey Dee's - 9 [Full Service] Guy's Vie en Rose - 8 [Blow Job] possible 9 [FS] Cabaret - 6 - Long slow luxurious [hand pulls] Marcet - 6

Yesterday at HiBeams was offered to be lapdanced to cum in VIP room for $20 by two girls. Wanted FS, which they refused to provide, so I turned them down.

Vic's in Irvington is a 9 but the bar is truly scary and if you are white, you may be the only white guy in there. Close to Towne Tap in action except Towne Tap was integrated.

Have not been to Doc's Cave in 3 years so can anyone fill us in?

DeeUncola
06-15-03, 03:20
Originally posted by Wooly 6-08-03 On May 25 th you begged me for info on this place, which I provided. You forgot to say thank you. Now you are pretending that you have good info but refuse to share. With all your posts, you have provided no information. First the posts to which Wooly was refering:

Originally posted by Wooly 5-28-03 Hi Beams is the one with lap dances, I actually prefer the beautiful Brazilian ladies at the other. I did not go upstairs but reported based on my conversation with what appeared to be a satisfied patron who had just come downstairs. Therefore this is second hand info. The dance is $20, don't know what tip is required.

I prefer to report what I actually know and places that I have actually been.
My Response to that Post - Deeuncola - 6-02-03 From a reliable source - not hearsay nor a website nor a customer - I have heard some very good things about Hi-Beams lapdances.

May have to check this place out soon.

Any of you out there able to better provide info? I can't as of yet. First comment - Your statement; "I did not go upstairs but reported based on my conversation with what appeared to be a satisfied patron who had just come downstairs." is an admission that you do report second hand info WHICH IS OKAY!

Like me, you label your second hand info as second hand info which is an acceptable way to post such info. It spreads the info; but gives it the proper labelling - second hand - of reliability, which can be helpful. I label second hand info as either a report of others or as second hand.

So why rag on me for what you yourself also do?

When I posted the dancer's report, I labelled it as a "reliable source" - hence not my own - and therefore second hand, also. But in attaching it as a response to your post, it was an implicit confirmation of your report - which is a compliment in action. It shows respect for your report. I thought you would take it as such. A compliment. Read my post again....It was a compliment. Notice how I added...." May have to check this place out soon."

It was a statement that your report along with this dancer's were worthy; hence I should go to Hi Beams which eventually I did. I fail to see the attack on you!

If you want a thanks, then thanks.... But I felt a measured response to your post - which confirmed it - was the best compliment I could give.

DON'T BE SO TOUCHY!

As for information:

I did go to Hi Beams and Mickey D's recently. I submittred two new reports on these places using the Looks and the Sleaze-O-Factor © Scale to give a comprehensive information package to all the readers here. The reports have already been submitted; but because of my Regular status [hint] they have not been posted on the board publicly at the time of this writing.

When Jackson does post them, they will probably precede this post.

High Beams I found to be a 6- in sleaze But the girls were outstanding in looks on a Friday evening crew. 7+ to 10-.

One girl at another bar, a 4 in Looks, told me she works at Hi Beams on Saturday, so these great looks may NOT be an everyday standard at Hi Beams.

But, I suspect the good looks are typical for Hi Beams on Fridays as one of the good lookers says she works there on Fridays. Hi Beams may be a close match of sleaze with looks for those who want both. See my reports for more info.

Note: B. Bill on 4-26 reported Hi Beams as " ... middle of the range...".

B. Bill seems to be a bit more parsimonious with his compliments than me. But we roughly agree on Hi Beams though with a 6- and a 7++ in looks I am giving a bit more than middle of the range in both areas.

If you don't trust me, then trust him. I mention him here only to show we two opponents give rough agreement to Hi Beams.

That is all first hand info from me.

I posted the info before this post to you and so you should be able to see the full report before you even read this. If things go right.

Does that help?

I am not out to flame you Wooly.

B. Bill ticks me off. You do not! I actually find your reports more helpful than his. Don't be so touchy.

By the time this is on the board the recent Hi Beams and Mickey D's info should be up.

DeeUncola
06-15-03, 03:28
PEOPLE TAKE NOTE:

OneEye has given the Brand Name Sleaze-O-Factor© to my sleaze scale. To assist in the proper reporting of Strip Bars please refer to the

THE OFFICIAL SLEAZE-O-FACTOR © SCALE

1 - Clothes on, all the time.

2 - breast flashes

3 - breast touching.

4 - breast touching, bush flashes.

5 - breast and bush touching

6 - hand pulls (in your pants)

7 - hand jobs (with member proudly displayed)

8 - blow jobs

9 - Full service

10 - All of the above with girls walking by and giving complimentary hand pulls for no more than a buck.

This will more accurately present the info to everyone.

THANKS ONE EYE for the brand name.

DeeUncola
06-15-03, 04:51
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Let the D-man LIE for himself. You went out of your way to flame me for my an opinion which I expressed last December. You did this on May 28. Now go ahead and weasel your way out of it. You need help !

You have over 70 posts consisting of nothing but flame and stupidity.

Cut the crap B. Bill our animus goes way back.And your venom is not just aimed at me, as this quote will show.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 1-04-03 Has OneEye ever given anything but a negative report ? He is to be ignored.

You consistently berate others.

Even though I detest you, I did credit your reports where accurate.

Unlike you, I am tolerant of others.

And at an inferior board, it was recently reported - AFTER I WAS BANNED - that my info was top of the notch.

But you, oh great poobah, are the arbiter of reportage.

So you attacked not only me but OneEye whose posts I like and who gave my sleaze ratings its official Brand name. The Sleaze-O-Factor© Scale.

Very few criticize my reports. Most like them.

I did not flame you about Mickey Dee's. I merely reported that your Mickey Dee's reportage was not up to snuff.

See my NEW Mickey Dee's Report from last week with the official Sleaze-O-Factor© Scale.

Over a minor error which mislead no one, Buffalo B. wrote.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 4-25-03 Good to see Deuncola finally learned to reread his post prior to hitting the submit button. Why are you sending me a map? Don't you understand that I know the area much better that you.... Note: I included a map.... .....Let's hear from our viewing audience if they prefer sleeze or beauty. Perhaps someone might tell us where to find both. [/b]

Truly, an irascible sort.

The map was given NOT only for your benefit but to the board. We know you are heliocentric, Bill; the world revolves around you; but the rest of us are not.

For sleaze AND beauty try Hi-Beams. Read my reports of 6-14-03

But let us return B.B's 4-24-03 post. His reference to my error was in reference to an old post of mine so old I cannot find it on the regular archives. He mentions it is his post


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 1-31-03 OTHER AREAS Mr. DeeUncola.....Your geography is woeful. There are no sleeze bars in Clifton.

As noted in a post of mine. There is a strip bar listed in the Strip Club List noted - even now - as near Clifton and I do remember a few years ago there was a strip bar in Clifton. So what if my memory was off. I made a general statement with no names or addresses. Just something to the effect there were sleaze bars in Clifton, Irvington and Newark. And he pounced on it.

But not just me. The B-man insults everyone.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 1-05-03 I'm forced to begin with ab observation:

Those of you called "Senior Member" have made a hobby of writing about the real hobby, and I don't discern a Hemingway among you.[/i]

We mortals stand in awe of your excellence, B-ster.

He knows, but tells little.

Stop asking like a Russian stripper on the rag B. Bill. It is not your info we hate - what little you give - but your venom.

My posts are good. They are clear and to the point.

DeeUncola
06-15-03, 05:24
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Let the D-man LIE for himself. You went out of your way to flame me for my an opinion which I expressed last December. You did this on May 28. Now go ahead and weasel your way out of it. You need help !

You have over 70 posts consisting of nothing but flame and stupidity.

Cut the crap B. Bill our animus goes way back.And your venom is not just aimed at me, as this quote will show.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 1-04-03 Has OneEye ever given anything but a negative report ? He is to be ignored.

You consistently berate others.

Even though I detest you, I did credit your reports where accurate.

Unlike you, I am tolerant of others.

And at an inferior board, it was recently reported - AFTER I WAS BANNED - that my info was top of the notch.

But you, oh great poobah, are the arbiter of reportage.

So you attacked not only me but OneEye whose posts I like and who gave my sleaze ratings its official Brand name. The Sleaze-O-Factor© Scale.

Very few criticize my reports. Most like them.

I did not flame you about Mickey Dee's. I merely reported that your Mickey Dee's reportage was not up to snuff.

See my NEW Mickey Dee's Report from last week with the official Sleaze-O-Factor© Scale.

Over a minor error which mislead no one, Buffalo B. wrote.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 4-25-03 Good to see Deuncola finally learned to reread his post prior to hitting the submit button. Why are you sending me a map? Don't you understand that I know the area much better that you.... Note: I included a map....[i] .....Let's hear from our viewing audience if they prefer sleeze or beauty. Perhaps someone might tell us where to find both.

Truly, an irascible sort.

The map was given NOT only for your benefit but to the board. We know you are heliocentric, Bill; the world revolves around you; but the rest of us are not.

For sleaze AND beauty try Hi-Beams. Read my reports of 6-14-03

But let us return to B.B's 4-25-03 post. His reference to my error was in reference to an old post of mine so old I cannot find it on the regular archives. He mentions it is his post


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 1-31-03 OTHER AREAS Mr. DeeUncola.....Your geography is woeful. There are no sleeze bars in Clifton.

Yet, he quotes my reference to an old post of his as a flame. My correction was not venomous. His was vile and was quite an old reference too. . As noted in a post of mine. There is a strip bar listed in the Strip Club List noted - even now - as near Clifton and I do remember a few years ago there was a strip bar in Clifton. So what if my memory was off. I made a general statement with no names or addresses. Just something to the effect there were sleaze bars in Clifton, Irvington and Newark. And he pounced on it.

But not just me. The B-man insults everyone.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 1-05-03 I'm forced to begin with ab observation:

Those of you called "Senior Member" have made a hobby of writing about the real hobby, and I don't discern a Hemingway among you.

We mortals stand in awe of your excellence, B-ster.

He knows all, but tells little.

Stop asking like a Russian stripper on the rag B. Bill. It is not your info we hate - what little you give - but your venom.

My posts are good. The info is substantial. Who are you to insult OneEye.

No one wants you to stop posting. Just stop being vile.

DeeUncola
06-15-03, 05:39
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Let the D-man LIE for himself. You went out of your way to flame me for my an opinion which I expressed last December. You did this on May 28. Now go ahead and weasel your way out of it. You need help !

You have over 70 posts consisting of nothing but flame and stupidity.

Cut the crap B. Bill our animus goes way back.And your venom is not just aimed at me, as this quote will show.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 1-04-03 Has OneEye ever given anything but a negative report ? He is to be ignored.

You consistently berate others.

Even though I detest you, I did credit your reports where accurate.

Unlike you, I am tolerant of others.

And at an inferior board, it was recently reported - AFTER I WAS BANNED - that my info was top of the notch.

But you, oh great poobah, are the arbiter of reportage.

So you attacked not only me but OneEye whose posts I like and who gave my sleaze ratings its official Brand name. The Sleaze-O-Factor© Scale.

Very few criticize my reports. Most like them.

I did not flame you about Mickey Dee's. I merely reported that your Mickey Dee's reportage was not up to snuff.

See my NEW Mickey Dee's Report from last week with the official Sleaze-O-Factor© Scale.

Over a minor error which mislead no one, Buffalo B. wrote.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 4-25-03 Good to see Deuncola finally learned to reread his post prior to hitting the submit button. Why are you sending me a map? Don't you understand that I know the area much better that you.... Note: I included a map....[i] .....Let's hear from our viewing audience if they prefer sleeze or beauty. Perhaps someone might tell us where to find both.

Truly, an irascible sort.

The map was given NOT only for your benefit but to the board. We know you are heliocentric, Bill; the world revolves around you; but the rest of us are not.

For sleaze AND beauty try Hi-Beams. Read my reports of 6-14-03

But let us return to B.B's 4-25-03 post. His reference to my error was in reference to an old post of mine so old I cannot find it on the regular archives. He mentions it is his post


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 1-31-03 OTHER AREAS Mr. DeeUncola.....Your geography is woeful. There are no sleeze bars in Clifton.

Yet, he quotes my reference to an old post of his as a flame. My correction was not venomous. His was vile and was quite an old reference too. . As noted in a post of mine. There is a strip bar listed in the Strip Club List noted - even now - as near Clifton and I do remember a few years ago there was a strip bar in Clifton. So what if my memory was off. I made a general statement with no names or addresses. Just something to the effect there were sleaze bars in Clifton, Irvington and Newark. And he pounced on it.

But not just me. The B-man insults everyone.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill 1-05-03 I'm forced to begin with ab observation:

Those of you called "Senior Member" have made a hobby of writing about the real hobby, and I don't discern a Hemingway among you.

We mortals stand in awe of your excellence, B-ster.

He knows all, but tells little.

Stop asking like a Russian stripper on the rag B. Bill. It is not your info we hate - what little you give - but your venom.

My posts are good. The info is substantial. Who are you to insult OneEye.

No one wants you to stop posting. Just stop being vile.

DeeUncola
06-16-03, 18:29
Bill, it is your attitude, not your reporting, which is the rub. Your reports are rather good and, in that aspect, it would be a loss to lose you.

We are mongers, Bill. Therefore, we are by nature f^^k-ups. If we were not f^^k-ups, Bill, we would not be mongering; rather we would be married to Meg Ryan clones, with two kids, a dog and a goldfish, with a lifetime membership in the Kiwanis Club.

Bill, you seem to expect precision reporting from a paradigm that precludes it. Booze, moody women, and hazy memories will militate against precision reporting.

I am happy with in-the-ballpark reliability. It is the Mongering Uncertainty Principal.

Look at OneEye. His report on Moonlight was on the money. The description of 6 sleaze and a black girl whom he almost penetrated is on the money. Moonlight is a notorious place for almost-but-not-quite-doing anything. His Cabaret report was good. He reported 7 [hand jobs] while I reported 6 [hand pulls]. This is well within the mongering limit of precision as your mileage may vary, your booze may be bad, your vision blurry, and the girls can be moody.

Stop pouncing on minor errors. Like me, OneEye corrects his minor errors and no harm is done. His info is Monger Reliable. YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY!

OneEye's Reports are gloriously fuzzy and goofy yet they do convey great worth and info. His description of the car watchers is Mad Magazine poetic quality. I love it.

Bill, your reports convey conceit.

OneEye is Der ÜberMonger and his reports tell me he would be a hoot to monger with. He would share his girls with me. You Bill, would probably hoard them.

OneEye would cheer me on as I fondled a dancer to ecstacy. You Bill would tell her I was a waste and destroy her already probably sour mood till she told me to stop.

Am I a f^^k-up? You bet! I am mongering, ain't I?!

But OneEye and I try to bring a joie de vivre, a bonhomie, an esprit de corps to our sorry lives of dissipation and dissolution.

Bill, you may not be cut out for the hobby.

The hobby concerns fallen women with moody attitudes and the men who lust them.

This is a sorry situation for all of us - girls and mongers - but let's try to make this as pleasant as possible. You are making it gloomy, Bill.

DeeUncola
06-16-03, 18:39
Originally posted by Wooly
There is a section of this board designed for "Opinions & Editorials".

Wow!

Wooly, your reports are good but your judgement is questionable.

What can I say?!

Be careful!

DeeUncola
06-16-03, 21:32
Originally posted by OneEye .... Right there on Scenic Market St, in the Heart of Bustling Boom Town of Paterson. Where the are Friendly Parking attendants who Promise NOT to throw a brick in your windshield and even protect it from other No-gooder's from doing the Same. Yes these Industrious lads have even Mastered the art of E.S.P.!

By which is meant (E)xtra (S)ensory (P)anhandling, I presume.


Originally posted by OneEye ....One more than one occasion I tipped the Lad a Generous .25Cents for Protecting my Car even AFTER i was Leaving the club! Yes he was able to Know Which car was mine and protected it for me. Even though we never saw each other on the way IN to the Gentlemen’s Club. Truly Amazing.

Yes, indeed. Almost worthy of a scale. Paterson has produced what may very well be the most psychically adept panhandlers on the planet. No Paterson Strip Club/Go-Go experience is valid without them.

First lers rate the clubs on parking.

Mickey Dee's Parking Easy 10 They have a private parking area. Bums do watch your car and get to know you. Well worth the $2.

Marcet Parking Ease is a 5 Can be iffy. Maybe no nearby spot. The regular drunk is unreliable but he is a genial soul. Give him a buck. I fondly remember the time he guided me into parking into a tight spot and told me to move backwards until I came within a hair's breadth of pinning him between bumpers. Got to admire devotion to customer like that. Not rude. When I was short once, he told me to catch him later. Give the man a buck.

Hi Beams After 5PM. Easy parking on Getty. No bums. No fun. An 8 on parking. Cannot vouch before 5PM.

Guy's Cabaret Moonlight Baby Dolls

Parking is a horror - 3 You will have to circle to come within a block. Bums are friendly though and your car will be protected by the Patented Paterson Pyschic Panhandler Patrol ®. $1 going in and a $1 going out may provide more entertainment than the dancers and more action. Sometimes the panhandlers come equipped with SWs willing to bargain for an after hours pause that refreshes.

Fifth Avenue Usually you can park across the street.

Tropicana Has own parking lot.

Basically, the Paterson experience is not fully had UNLESS one encouters the Paterson Panhandler. One is encouraged to park in area where they congregate. Sometimes they can provide more action than the girls in the clubs - they sometimes have girls of their own.

DeeUncola
06-16-03, 21:46
Originally posted by Wooly Ha-ha ! That's really funny, a dancer who tells the truth. Do you beleive the crap that you post ?

Report back if anything happens.

I did post some info already as a matter of fact.

See my post of 6-13 - a day before this post of yours. HiBeams and Mickey Dee's [a recent visit] were noted.

We are crossing posts here.

Your observation was posted after I provided the info BUT before Jackson put it on the board.

DeeUncola
06-19-03, 15:43
Originally posted by Rebrobate218
OneEye,...have hard time really come to the Moonlight?Was there March! Hard times have come to the Moonlight.

DeeUncola
06-19-03, 15:51
Originally posted by jhunter Mahwah.

I already posted in "Other Areas" Apologies if I broke a rule or something. I'm going to be in Mahwah for a week. Paterson seems to be the closest city (19 miles) Can anyone give me area info regarding SWs in either place. Where, going rate etc? Mickey Dees - 110 Belmont Ave. Paterson

$20 to the bartender for the lapdance room

$40 -$100 for the girl. Some Brazilians will go low so bargain low.

$3 for the beer.

$4 to cop a few squeezes at the bar before you buy a lapdance to ask the girls what they will do.

$150 what you will spend on tequila to make some of the girl tolerable to look at.

Streets have been sweeped regularly. Be careful Recent stings reported by others.

I have seen very few on Market Street lately.

My advice Try Guy's or Mickey Dee's Streets are not safe with police out.

DeeUncola
06-19-03, 16:01
Originally posted by John Y. Doe ...

NOTE: A correction to an earlier post of mine. The Correction is by John Y. Doe

Kaposi's Sarcoma is an early indcator of HIV infection IN MEN. Rarely is the cancer found in women, even among drug users. http://www.aegis.com/factshts

My comment, DeeUnCola, is not intended as an attack on you. Your other warnings and suggestions to WSG and "that other forum site" have been among the most useful I have read. However, I do feel the need, for everyone's benefit, to correct this one error.

I often communicate facts is my postings. Please correct any of mine when you see an error.

Correction noted! Good point.

But I believe the websites I noted said that scabs can also indicate Herpes. And I think I mentioned that.

Look, this Hobby is not a "safe hobby" by any measure. But picking up women who pick their scabs in front of you is adding unnecesary risk to an already risky endeavor.

Scabs can expose one to blood.

So she probably does not have the cancer. This may not preclude her from having Aids without the cancer. An oozing scab is a great way to be exposed to it.

I was not aware of the gender differential of Kaposi's Sarcoma. Thanks!

DeeUncola
06-19-03, 16:08
Originally posted by civ2000 To DeeUncola: Now that you've probably scared Wooly to death, I hate to break it to you but facial scabs are not an indicator of AIDS or HIV infection. Women that shoot cocaine get the sensation of bugs crawling under their skin and they pick and itch their faces until that get covered with scabs. If you've ever seen the movie Philadelphia with Tom Hanks---that's what Karposi's Sarcoma looks like. Large purplish/brown lesions. This woman may also have herpes as it gives scabbies on the face also. As for being rail thin---what crack smokin--cocaine shooting woman ain't? Now I'm not saying there's no possiblity she's not infected. Anyone who has unprotected sex and is an IV drug user is at high risk---it's just that the symptoms you mentioned aren't indicative. Read up somemore and become an informed hobbist. Peace out. Thanks!

I think I noted that scabs can indicate Herpes in my original post.

As I posted earlier, in regard to John Y. Doe's correction, I was not aware of the severe gender differential in K. Sarcoma.

HOWEVER, at Towne Tap last year, I was propositioned by a lady with purplish brown lesions just like Tom Hanks in Philadelphia. I stayed away from her. So it may be rare but I may have met one once.

DeeUncola
06-19-03, 16:41
This is not to one up anyone.

Civ 2000 and John Y. Doe brought up some good points.

This site declares:

THE FACTS ABOUT KAPOSI'S SARCOMA http://aids.about.com/library/weekly/aa090800a.htm


KS appears about eight times more often in gay men than in women.Alright, rarer! CONSIDERABLY rarer but not unknown.

The bug crawling under the skin thing never occurred to me.

However this site gives us a worse scenario: Researchers Find Clue To AIDS-Linked Cancer http://www.aegis.com/news/newsday/1992/ND920205.html Dated 1992


Before the AIDS epidemic, Kaposi's sarcoma was extremely rare. But a virulent type has been found in about 20 percent of U.S. homosexual men with AIDS, although it is still rare among U.S. women or heterosexual men with AIDS.

In Africa, however, men and women with AIDS appear equally likely to develop Kaposi's sarcoma. This suggested the cancer was not caused by the AIDS virus, and researchers have been searching for some other sexually transmitted virus as a cause.Now, we must remember that though this is the USA, Paterson and Newark are third world cities and US profiles may not exactly apply. Even if the girl is American, her customers may be Nigerian, etc.

Again, in general I concede the point but caution is still indicated on Wooly's part.

For those who are really into the wild side.

A place ON THE WEB to meet HIV postive women. http://www.positivesingles.com/

ONLY FOR THE BOLD!

DeeUncola
06-20-03, 14:33
Originally posted by OneEye ...I guess they do must really posess (E)xtra (S)ensory (P)anhandling. I have never considered to ever ask these guys if they had any good connections. Most of the ones iv'e run into are pretty scary. But if i see any cool lookin ones, I just might scare up enough courage to ask them....

Here is where their amazing and astounding, altogether death-defying psychic abilities come in.

I was once parking next to the Chinese restaurant across the street from the Moonlight, at least I remember it was a Chinese restaurant. But it was 40 feet across from the Moonlight. I got out of the car planning to walk straight across to Moonlight and, amazingly, just at that moment, as if animated by some mysterious power, a Psychic Panhandler, with girl in tow, comes up to greet me. At that very moment?! Timing is a sure sign of enormous psychic power. I was awe struck. Incredible!

Both the Psychic Panhandler and his female assistant seemed amiable enough. They were quite friendly. Most swamis and shamans are congenial. He and his assistant were black, so I must assume their psychic powers derived from the formidable inheritance bequeathed to them by their West African Yoruba ancestors with their Voodoo magic.

This Mighty Practicioner of Ju-Ju just knew - go figure - that I was worried about my car. And so, he offered to watch my vehicle. I of course, astounded at his perspicaciousness, gladly give him $2. A nomimal pittance to have my automobile cared for by such a Fearsome Wizard. Not only was the magician charitable but his rates were reasonable.

Now, even more amazingly, his female assistant - apparently gifted with all the psychic abilities of a Yoruba princess - just knew that I was horny. How could she have possibly known this?

I had given her no clue or sign. Yet, she divined that I was in desperate need of libidinal license. And so, reading my mind, sensing my inner most needs, and knowing what I wanted, she said, "Sex for $25."

WHAT POWER!

Do not mess with the descendants of the Yoruba! The Yoruba are mighty. Though American born, in their veins flows the blood carrying the very incomprensible Majesty and Mojo of Africa!

I was, of course, astounded! Not only sensing my libidinous desperation,, she also surmised that my funds were limitied and so set her professional fee accordingly low. A nominal $25. And this to engage in convivial intimacies with a Yoruba goddess.

I stood briefly speechless: Wondering if I should repair to an alleyway to avail myself of this generous offer of connubial congress with this African temptress.

Even more amazingly, the Psychic Panhandler, then must have sensed a cop nearby. There was a disturbance in the force. The dark side was approaching. The wizard wisely interrupted the transaction, "Will you shut up?" he said to her. "Leave da man, alone. He don't wan' you. He wan' to go inside."

SUCH POWER!

With beads of sweat running down my brow, I watched as these two mighty knights of Africa walked away, no doubt to use their powers and abilities to assist the other patrons of Market Street, who were, even at that moment, driving about and parking. At that very moment!

These Jedi had offered to watch my car - MY CAR! - for a mere $2. I was honored to be in their presence. And to think it all happened to me on Market Street.

You do not need to look for them, they will find you. You do not need courage to ask them. They will ask you!

They smoke Mojo filter.

May the force be with you!

DeeUncola
06-21-03, 19:59
Originally posted by NJ's Finest Hey,

When the 5-0 uses real sw's as decoys, is it still true that they will not get into your car, rather try to negotiate a deal from outside the car? Also, is it true that any women being used in decoy's cannot show breasts or pussy as proof of not being 5-0? If this is not true, and you can still get busted after the SW shows you her tits, this would be terrible. Anyway, let me know what the deal is, if you know.

The deal is that it is always your word against the cops. If you say nothing, the tape evidence will be mysteriously lost; but "I am willing to testify anyway, your honor."

Who do you think, the court will believe? So do not count on verbal trickery to elude them.

Your safest way to approach is to do it in an arena they have no control over.

Cops are control freaks. If they cannot control the situation they will not put themselves or any decoy in it.

Streets are wonderful areas for them to control. They can cut you off. They have lines of sight.

Sleazy whorehouses, the ones where they pat you down - so the undercover cop has to go in unarmed - give them problems. They are not in control.

Strip Clubs give them headaches. A lot of innocent people. Girls have to strip to be taken seriously.

Rule: If they do NOT get in the car, you say nothing at all.

Rule: When they are in the car, you say nothing until they flash puss.

Rule: Then ask: Why are you flashing puss?

Rule: Have a plausible cover story. I was meeting someone. I thought it was her.

Rule: Ask her her name. Tell her your real name. If you get pulled over the cops will ask her and it had better agree with your license.

Rule: Have an unopened beer bottle on the floor. Tell the girl she can open it and have some. Cops won't drink. ****** will.

Better yet. the cops rule the street. Best procedure. Locate girls on the street and then find a local eatery, bar, hangout to meet them. Drive to the bar and catch them on the way in. The McDonalds on Market is an eatery where they hang out.

The best way is to make the variables too many for the cops to consider.

Get her in the car.

Do it at an intersection where there are two ways to exit, not one.

Drive about two miles away. If they are wired and nothing is said in two blocks, they will bolt.

Makes sure you are not followed.

Be polite believe it or not. If a cop, less problems. ****** like to be treated nice, so this is a win win either way.

Drive a older car. Cops want to seize Cadillacs, not 1973 Datsuns.

Have no weapons on you, nor drugs.

If you got the balls, a good degausser in the locked glove compartment can scramble a wire.

There are ways to do this.

Best bet is to not do it in your car.

DeeUncola
06-25-03, 14:52
In Mar of 2002 I made two visits to Towne Tap where at one time I saw what could possibly have been one man getting doggied by a girl at the bar who was giving him a long luxurious stroking.

You could not tell. Was her bikini bottom on or pushed to the side? She was bounding but not far enough off of his lap to let it be clear that no union was in process. In other words, he could have been slowly serviced doggie style at the bar with a long slow 2 inch stroking engine of a girl. A Pratt and Whitney in low gear, going up and down but not enough to show real action, though real action there was indeed going on, it seemed.

In July of 2002, I saw a similar situation at Vic's.

There was some seriously grinding. But when one is ground, not FS'd, the girls usually at some point twirl or turn or bound six or seven inches off of the lap, if only to space the touching. When the grind is slow and only 2-3 inches one has to wonder if the sausage is being wrapped.

Saw what appeared to be such a wrapping at Vic's.

Has anyone been there recently.

In 2002, Vic's was wild. It was 90% black, unlike the Tap which was 50% white.

Vic's girls were good looking but mostly black. There were some Russians who were older. The girls were local and one had the impression that good looking though many were, they were late stage crack addicts.

Has the profile of the customers changed? Has the profile of the girls changed?

I liked the TAP for its multicultural hoo ha.

Has Vic's improved since 2002?

Any recent info?!


My July 2002 info. Day visit. 3PM on a weekday.

Appeared to be public full service. - 9 Girls looks - up to a 7 but the good lookers were all black. One or two white women but mostly 3s.

Latinas, si; but so swarthy as to be properly classified as WOC.

Patrons, 90% black but I was not the only white and I did not feel threatened. There were a few of us.

So crowded you felt that you could accidentally walk into a copulating couple. So anonymity by virtue of crowd press was evident.

Has the profile of girls or patrons changed to a Towne Tap level?

If so, I may go back.

DeeUncola
06-26-03, 00:00
originally posted by corky... first of all she told me she was **** and would not care if i called the police. i was not about too. second she would not get out of the car unless i gave her $20. its hard for me to get angry at this girl she really was pathetic. ... any suggestions without getting violent? if you have no police record and have some balls, drive right to the police station. she is more afraid of a stay in jail than you are.

drive to a bar and walk inside. wait her out.

pull over to a side street and wait.

time is on your side. a jones is coming on and soon she will have to leave.

do not pick up girls who are not clearly in their 20s.

throw up on her. [seriously! this will skank them out and they will leave.] "face it, flounder, you did not throw up in front of dean wormer; you threw up on dean wormer." it is alway good to have a pit bull in the back seat for just such an emergency.

it is good to have rehearsed the epilectic siezure routine before cruising. always a standard.

have an asthma attack and act as if lung butter will soon be coming out.

above all, remain calm. yeah! right! think creatively!

ofer her $5 and consider yourself wiser.

DeeUncola
07-02-03, 23:57
Originally posted by anonjohn In fact, I wouldn't even begin to know where to look for trim there, or anything within a 10 mi radius, except for maybe just over the NY border, but I'm not too sure about that either. Rockland Co. has a few AMPs and a strip bar or two, not sure about what SW activity goes on, probably little to none.

Rockland county strip joints are Lace's on 303 if I remember. Stilletto's on 59 in Nanuet area and T & A's on 59 in Monsey or Tallman.

All are safe. All are middle classs. All are incredibly expensive.

If you speak Spanish and look Latino you might try a few Bars in Spring Valley where you might - if you are incredibly lucky and don't pass for police - hook up with someone who will take you to a chica house.

[NOTE: This chica information comes from a mix of my own experiences and some second hand info posted on this board by pa4puz . There was a fruitful discussion of Spring Valley in an earlier section.]

pa4puz , on this board, did indeed confirm the bars I had noted as a place to meet Latina chics in Spring Valley but then added sadly, in so many words, to the effect that the Latinas are loathe to put out for anyone, so it will be hard.

Basically, if you are white you will not readily be trusted.

See the TWO posts on New York - Other Areas - 5-20- 03 by pa4puz .

The two posts are right next to each other.

pa4puz quotes me and another poster J Burb and adds some further but, alas, disappointing commentary on the action in Spring Valley.

The Latinas in the sleazier regular bars just don't trust ya - you have to spend too much on them to get their interest - said in regards to my post.

And pa4puz adds that you won't get into the cat houses unless you look right - said regards to a post by J Burb.

But why am I commenting - go directly to

New York - Other Areas - 5-20- 03 by pa4puz . And read the discussions for yourself.

Information given and added to.

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Point! Rockland is now a wasteland.

Drive south on Rt. 17 and then take Rt 4 to Paterson.

Wooly's earlier advice is good. Read up on the posts.

I, more or less, have posted all that I know.

Wooly, though he and I disagree, is rather reliable. So if my posts are not enough, ask him.

One Eye is good, too. Most of the info here jibes well.

There are some minor differences due to the individual's experience.

I uses a scale rating. Wooly is more verbal. OneEye has moved to a Scale rating.

More or less we all agree on all the Paterson bars and Vic's in Newark [See the Newark sections] with the exception of the Marcet. I eventually got fed up of the Marcet. Others still love it.

DeeUncola
07-05-03, 00:33
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

DeeUncola
07-07-03, 02:22
More or less agree with everything OneEye says.

Stilletto's is a money waste.

T & A's is a money waste too.

Where I disagree is directions.

Should you still want to go:

!) Take 17 N to Suffern.

2) Take 59 East

3) Go about 4 miles to T & A's or another 5-6 miles to Stilletto's

DO NOT do this at night.

RT 59 is totally dark in areas. As black as a coal mine.

And to top it off, Monsey is full of black hatted, black bearded, black robed, Hasidim who walk the dark stretches of Rt 59 at night. I have seen people come within inches of creaming them.

The cops beg them to wear reflectors but most won't. With your high beams on you will NOT see them till you hit them. Head to toe wearing black, they just melt into the shadows.

If you are not familiar with Rt 59 do not drive it at night. This is no joke. I have been in cars with people who knew the road and who nearly ran over one of the Hasids and did not even know it till I told them.

"You came within an inch of creaning that Hasid."

"There was a Hasid, there?"

Seriously, the New York Times had an article on them and addressed this very issue.

I am not being funny. If you do not know the area, do not drive it at night or you will not know where to drive at a crawl to avoid walkers in the dark,

To those who do know, the Monsey to Spring Valley Rt 45/Main St intersection stretch - going east - are accidents waiting to happen. Just before the Rt 45 intersection is a very dark area where Hasids get off of the New York buses and start walking home on the roadside IN THE DARK as they head west to Monsey while you drive east to Nanuet.

Just after Rt 45/Main St is a well lit mall and you will be safe from then on to Nanuet. Going East. But just before that mall, Rt 59 East is a pinball waiting to happen. Dark Poorly lit, semi-rural.

The bars if you still want to try it are on the other side of the road. The West side.

It much easier to head south on 17 take Rt 4 West into B'way in Paterson or take Rt 4 West to Rt 20 S and grab the Market exit into Paterson.

My advice take the Broadway route downtown and turn left and go a few blocks over to Market. Avoid the Market Street exit as Market Street goes ONE WAY against you after the shell station in one section. If you do not know it you will get in an accident.

Less trouble and downtown Paterson, unlike Rt 59, is well policed at night.

This is NO JOKE. I go to the Rockland area for many reasons and the hundred or so thousand Hasidim are causing the cops to get ulcers. Many refuse to wear reflectors due to tradition and NO ONE can see them until it is too late.

Not being prejudiced. In fact, trying to prevent accidents.

Wow! This should be 99 posts!

Will it happen?

Could it happen?

Will I go senior at 100?

T minus one post and counting.

DeeUncola
07-07-03, 17:16
This is a first hand but older report.

I remember winter of 2001/2002 a trip to Newark.

There was action between Rt 22 and Miller on Frelinghuysen Avenue

Mostly however on the side streets between Frelinghuysen and Sherman. From Miller to Rt 22. Particularly around Alice's Pioneer Bar.

Girls were mainly black and/or Spanish.

Recently was near South and Goble in Newark in the Ironbound area. WSWs are more common in Ironbound. Spring 2003.

First hand reports in both cases. Did not pick up but did notice the come hither look and/or hoo ha wave.

Ironboard is Spring 2003 Frelinghuysen is 1-1/2 yr old

More or less agrees with more recent reports of others.

Though I never went to any of the fast food joints.

DeeUncola
07-08-03, 04:32
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill ...One last minor item having to do with Newark, which also has its own section but nonetheless appeares here. Vic's is not in Newark, it is in Irvington. Not a big thing, actually a common misteak made by those who have never been there.

Thanks for the slam, Bill. You never fail to be obnoxious; but then consistency is a virtue.

I have been to Vic's. And while yes, it is in Irvington, I was thinking of the proximity to Newark at that time.

While at Vic's, I parked my car round the corner at Vic's on a steep hill if that is proof enough to you. If I remember correctly, and I may be mistaken, there was a laundromat on the block, close to Vic's, Can others here verify this?

If not, when you go into Vic's, the bar is very dark, and the bar itself is right up against you, forcing you to walk up against the right wall to the back wall, before you can turn left and walk around the bar, There is some open space on the left side of the bar and I remember a pinball machine.. There is only stools and a foot or two between the right side of the bar and the right wall as you walk in. Very little room, and you are crawling past people. Very tight. You are funnelled in. Something which only a person who had been there would know. At Vics the bar ran up to the door. And when you entered the bar was on your left, and the wall on your right with only a small walkway to crawl through. Tighter than the Moonlight where the bar also runs up to the door. Only at Moonlight, the bar to wall space is much bigger.

Not at all like Towne Tap, where a stage was on your right as you entered and there was a lot of space as you walked in. Cigarette machines on the left. You could circle the bar at Towne Tap, not so at Vics.

I do this since you like to cast aspersions. My info is good, Buffalo.

Do I correct your minor mistakes? Oops you spell it "misteak."


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill ...There are other interesting bars in the Bergen County area which probabily want to keep a low profile so I will not name them here.

Again, with the "I-know-something-you don't-know-routine;" ; but then consistency is a virtue.

Look, I have made it easy for you.

I posted some stuff on some old memories of my old trips to Bergen County Bars. I admitted it was out of date. But I left it open to others to flame me, if they would only post more recent data. Can you do it? Can you? Without giving us the "I-know-something-you don't-know" routine.

Wooly, at least give reliable reports and I know he gives data. He tells us what he knows. Do you? You tell us that you ain't gonna tell us.

I posted some old info on Bergen Cty Bars today. Go ahead, flame it. But try and give info when you do.

Or will you remain consistently obnoxious.

I am going to try and avoid squabbles with Wooly, Bill, because, as we all agree, his data is good and reliable.

You however, live to snipe, at me, at OneEye, at others,

Stop it. All you had to say was, I think you meant Irvington, Dee; and I would've thanked you.

TO THE REST

I posted some old data on Bergen Cty bars.

Definitely out of date but I wanted to spark some responses.

I will not respond to flames concerning the old Bergen Cty data if the poster gives new information. Let's see if we can get the Bergen Cty Data up to data. Paterson is more or less scoped out.

I tend to now focus on Paterson which is why Bergen Data of mine is old.

DeeUncola
07-08-03, 04:51
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

DeeUncola
07-08-03, 18:39
Decided today to try an old Bergen Haunt.

The Pleasure Lounge/BAR. Louis Ave South Hackensack, NJ [Behind Route 46]

From the Little Ferry Traffic Circle take Rt 46 West to the Rt 46 Diner. (Also a small bungalow of a burger joint is across the street).

This is Philips Ave intersection.

Turn Right onto Philips Go only about 100 Ft. There is a Super 8 Motel, used to be the Jade East, I think, on your left. Diner on your right.

Then make first left to Louis Ave. An industrial area.

Go in about 100 Ft.

This is the Pleasure Lounge.

A sign of a Go Go Dancer in a Martini Glass is still up. Plenty of parking.

Inside, the bar is spacious with a U shaped bar.

Today's experience.

Two girls.

Cathy: American Looks about an 8 About late 30ish Allows breast feels but no bush flash. So a 3- in Sleaze. I saw another guy feel her, I did not.

Delva: Brazilian Looks about an 6 About late 40ish Allows breast feels but no bush flash. So a 3- in Sleaze. I did indeed feel her.

Both girls were friendly and it may have been the bartender which inhibited them.

In the past, I have had 5 in sleaze. I was told, by one patron, it varies with the bartender who controls the girls. Delva told me that she was not allowed to show bush. "I can't show it."

Cathy said she was not in the mood, today, to put out, but on other days is more accomodating to breast gropes.

Other than what looks to be a temporary lapse in sleaze, the bar is unchanged these past 2-3 years. This did not surprise me. I had gone there for years prior and it was stable.

Past experiences

Looks 4-7 Sleaze 5

The girls were classy and friendly. No hustle. You could probably have gotten better mileage at another time of day.

Not much has changed.

$20 will go a long way here. No money hustle.

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NOTE Little Ferry and South Hackensack merge here, So I give directions based on Rt 46 more than town. Borders can change fast here.

The next part of the report is second hand from a patron I met at the Pleasure Lounge.

He tells me that Flamingos/Centerfolds has changed. Lapdances are now available for $20. But he intimated that not much happens and it is a money pit. MUCH AS I EXPECTED.

If others know better, post it or do not complain. This piece of 2nd Hand knowledge may save you from wasting money at Flamingos.

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Up the road, on 46W before the Philips Ave Intersection, roughly across from the Shell is a LACE.

I cannot vouch for LACE. Never been inside the place. And no one has conveyed info to me about it.

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This is a long shot and only once or twice in my life has it worked.

I will sometimes go into a Peep Show/Video Porn store to see if providers are hanging out.

There is one off of Rt 46 East on a side exit. You can only get to it, from 46 East. And it is tricky. You cannot get to it from a local road due to one way restrictions. You have to exit from 46 East at the right time. Right after the airport, going East.

I think it is named WORLD VIDEO.

Tried it after Pleasure Lounge.

What a waste. No girls.

Only once in my life has this worked. I met a hooker outside the Peep show in Passaic once. Too old for me.

I had thought I met a hooker who worked the Rockland Rt 59 Porn Peep Show. But someone, on this site - see the older archives - I may have used a different handle at the time - someone pointed out the hooker? I met may have been a TS. I did see blowjobs in the booths. But I thought she was a real live gal giving it to the guys.

Never did anything with her myself but was considering it until I was warned. She/He/It was great looking. If she really was a gal, I missed a good opportunity for FS. But who wants to risk it. I am glad I did nothing with her.

I may have used the Handle Uncola or Chilidog at that time.

Peep shows usually never work but if I am near one, I will try it under the what-is-there-to-lose theory.

Wait, did meet a real live gal another time outside a New York Video show. Was 40ish. Her Looks Did NOT do it for me.

Today WORLD VIDEO was a waste.

So there is some more recent Bergen stuff.


Other recents:

TWINS 2 SO Main St South Hackensack, the part near Wallington.

Sleaze 5+ Looks 3-7 Depends on the girls.

I posted a whole lot of dated Bergen reports earlier. Jackson may have felt it was too old, which is cool. I only wanted to spark some discussions and maybe get some info traded.

DeeUncola
07-09-03, 00:18
Originally posted by drac666 Hey, please hook it up with the bergen info, need it for this week drac666@systemsgen.com

Thnx


A few bars on site:

I, for the most part, gave up on Bergen Strip Bars about 2 years ago, so the info is dated.

HOWVER, there is one exception.

I will give approx dates, and first hand reports. If others want to add some more recent first hand info, be my guest. It has been my experience that bars do not often change too much over time. Though my experience, in this, is not definitive.

But First the offical

Sleaze-O-Factor Scale ®

so you will know what the ratings mean:

1 - Clothes on, all the time.

2 - breast flashes

3 - breast touching.

4 - breast touching, bush flashes.

5 - breast and bush touching

6 - hand pulls (in your pants)

7 - hand jobs (with member proudly displayed)

8 - blow jobs

9 - Full service

10 - All of the above with girls walking by and giving complimentary hand pulls for no more than a buck.

NOTE: Years ago I got fed up with Bergen County bars as a place for action. With the exception of TWINS, the Bergen Info is dated. This will probably inspire critiques which is okay as long as the critic[s] is/are prompted to give more up-to-date info on line and not tell everyone that I am wrong while still refusing to post real info on board.

Question marks after the date indicate approx. date.

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Pleasure Lounge Louis Street South Hackensack, NJ

Sleaze Ratings - 5+ Looks 4-7 Visited last around 2001 though had been going there for years and the bar sleaze and looks had never changed.

Very pleasant. Not a money trap.

Good points: Excellent kitchen., Once in a while a hooker will walk into the bar - to be chased out. A sleaze hotel is outside the door and if you are bold you may see a gal walk out on the porch if you are willing to wait [Something I never saw] but I have seen hookers walk into the bar, presumably from the hotel next door. If there is any chance at all of finding SW prostitution in Bergen County - and that chance is slim - this is your best area to find it.

Heavily policed, next to Teterboro airport.

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THE EXCEPTION

TWINS 2 South Main St. South Hackensack [Not the part next to Pleasure Lounge] Sleaze Ratings - 5+ Looks 3-7 Visited last JUNE 2003

Mileage and looks vary with girl. This is a friendly bar. And you will enjoy.

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Satin Dolls 230 Route 17 South, Lodi, NJ 07644

Sleaze Ratings - 1+ Looks 6-8 Visited last 1994?

Yes the BADA BING of Soprano's fame.

Have not been there in a lot of years. The info is definitely dated. Second hand info from the Strip Club List is not too good either. So info from others here should be taken if they are willing to post it.

My quess is that it still sucks. I could be very wrong.

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Riviera Lounge 310 Main St. Hackensack NJ.

Sleaze Ratings - 1+ Looks 4-6 Visited last 2000?

I did not like it.

Though a recent poster, here on this board noted that he met a hooker outside the bar.


by [b] VPL on New Jersey - Other Areas - 5-28-03

I was leaving the Riviera Lounge (go-go bar) on Main Street in Hackensack, NJ on Memorial Day weekend and a SW approached my by bicycle (it was difficult holding in my laugh)......

Wooly responded to this notice of hooker action on 5-28 by noting ".....a) don't get your hopes up b) be careful anywhere in Bergen County."

This is generally true and why, for the most part, I left Bergen County action two years ago, except for Twins - and I only found out about and went to TWINS recently.

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Centerfolds (was Flamingo) 430 US Hwy 46 W Little Ferry, New Jersey, USA

Sleaze Ratings - 1+ Looks 4-7 Visited last 1998?

Last time I was there is it was cold Russian babes. Horrible. However, it has been totally redone and remade. I have not gone into the bar but crowds are always outside it, Therefore, it may now be cooking but I cannot tell.

Note: The Pleasure Lounge is right behind it on Louis St. unless it moved.

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Finally Stilettos in Carlstadt.

The others were bikini bars. Stilettos is a nudie juice bar.

Stilettos 325 Paterson Plank Rd Rt 17 N Behind Giant's Stadium Carlstadt, New Jersey, USA

I had tried Stiletto's in Rockland County and hated it. What a money pit. I have therefore never gone into this. Usually nude bars are money traps.

Your best bargains are at low class bikini bars.

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Yes, this info is horribly dated.

But I gave it only to prompt others more familiar with the bars to give more recent info. I gave up on Bergen County years ago, as a rule.

I do not care if you call this info useless - as long as you provide on board more useful info.

Please do not critique me if you are going to say You know better but are loathe to tell details

I do agree with Wooly on this Bergen Cty makes it very uncomfortable for strip bars.

DeeUncola
07-09-03, 00:28
So I reposted the old Bergen Cty info for historical reasons.

In the meantime, I posted some new Bergen Cty info today. I went to the PLEASURE LOUNGE TODAY.

Because I am not senior, these posts may cross. Look for them. But I cannot vouch which will appear first, the older or newer data.

They should provoke some information and discussion. The Pleasure Lounge - as of today - and TWINS data are recent and they are first hand.

Some info on Flamingos/Centerfolds came to me today SECOND HAND but noted as such. It should appear on one of the my postings waiting to be set on board. Again, because of my non-senior status, my postings may cross.

A lot of my Bergen Cty info is dated and if you want to attack them, you may do so. I admit they are old - some of them. But if you do critique them, then update them. Or else my data, as old as it is, is still the only info the board will have.

DeeUncola
07-09-03, 00:36
The newer up to date Bergen Cty
Date is in the Paterson section.
I visited a Bergen Cty bar today.

DeeUncola
07-10-03, 14:37
Excellent report OneEye.

Unfortunately, due to financial considerations - which is to say: grinding poverty - I am forced to monger on a tight budget. Hence my preferences for the Paterson joints. More bang for the buck, so to speak.

But should I hit LOTTO I will try Lace's VIP ROOM.

From what you tell me, and what I have seen, LACE 46 may be the best joint in Bergen County.

The rest of Bergen County seems to be worse. Excellent report though.

TWINS 2 So Main St So Hackensack, near Wallington. which is a

Sleaze of 5+

Looks 3-7

may have something to recommend it but there are no 9s that I saw there.

Twins is warm and friendly NOT CLASSY!

DeeUncola
07-11-03, 11:53
Originally posted by Wooly .... Are the dancers attractive ?

On Tues, when I went to the PLEASURE LOUNGE, Cathy was late 30ish/early 40ish but a tight firm body.

Delva was 40ish, less firm but still okay.

The bar had not changed even though I had not been there in years. But I had been there many times prior to 2002 and one can safely go by that experience.

Girls are roughly 4-7s in looks.

Above the Paterson standard but below a topless/nude joint where looks actually count.

Usually the girls as good looking as one can get pre-menopause. Do not mean to be vulgar here. But the girls tend to be better than average women late 30s/early 40s. This was my experience.

You will not often see a Mickey Dee's level of looks where the women can be post menopausal and not too good looking.

DeeUncola
07-11-03, 12:08
Originally posted by Paul D Pounder Newark - Irvington warning: .... The 5-0 are on the loose! I don't know if there is a summer offensive or what. I was on / aroung Sherman ave several nights ago and witnessed this guy get busted.....

Which is why I never pick up in cars. I go to the area they walk but then try to find a bar/eatery nearby where they congregate at and connect up there.

Any bars, eateries safe for a white guy to park his car in this area.

Have driven the area many times and never felt safe to park. I was even afraid to park near NARDONE's or ALICES PIONEER BAR even though supposedly the cars are watched.

DeeUncola
07-12-03, 15:28
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Not usually, sometimes one of the regular ladies might bring her attractive granddaughter. Once granddaughter sees how little money can be made here she's off to Paterson. Another problem with this place is that the food is usually homemade and very good. If you have some of the good food it will take several gallons of beer before you can appreciate the dancers.

A cut above Paterson girls. Again - not spectacular - but I would not rate them as low as Buffalo Bill would.

Usually less flabby. YMMV.

Yes, they do only hire two but if you are a regular they post a schedule so you will know who is supposed to come. It is on your right as you enter.

What is interesting is Bill's commentary on the food.

Last year in the archives, I posted as Chilidog - until I forgot my password. I had yet to assume my present moniker of Deeuncola .

On January 11, 2002, as Chilidog in the ARCHIVES

Archive link http://www.wsgforum.com/discus/messages/5/231.html?1018529163
Orignally by Chilidog in Archives On January 11, 2002 ...The girls do nott flash much. But they are friendly and the food is good. They used to make a great chili and you could go there for a cheap lunch. I recommend this bikini bar forr the food...... ......But this particular bar is friendly and the food is rather good and cheap, even if soda is $3..... ....I actually used to go there for their lunch. Got good chili and a small soda for $7. [/i] It is true the girls do not flash much but I could sometimes get a bush or a breast grope from them. They did flash but just not as often or as boldly as TWINS but I could get it once or twice on a visit.

Which is why I rated it a 5 in sleaze. The Sleaze-O-Factor only requires the girls to allow groping or flash once in the evening. TWINS can be an ongoing circus with some girls. But with Pleasure Lounge I could cop feels over and under, even if not on demand, as in Paterson; but only intermittantly during the evening.

This Tues 7-08-93 with only a 3- in sleaze was a disappointment to me. Usually I could get one good panty grope. A patron rejogged my memory and reminded me that output varies with bartender.

But to the point, over the years I ended up going to Pleasure Lounge for the Chili.

I could get a great Chili meal with small soda for $7. It was cheaper than fast food.

The Sandwiches and Chili were great. Had a great BLT there once.

As for Bill's earlier comment on the Elvis selection - the jukebox is usually played at the dancers discretion. She can kill songs she does not like, so I rarely bother to play music on the jukebox.

For me, the magnificent selection of Sinatra on Towne Tap will always stand out. To fondle a girl thoroughly while Sinatra sings, "Some day when I'm feeling low, and the world is cold, I will get a glow. Just thinking of you.... and the way you look, tonite...."

was postively surreal. Jimmy liked Sinatra. I loved it.

Too often Strip bars play Rick James' Superfreak or some imitator. Starts to grate on you. I remember it in the 80's when it was novel. Twenty years later they are still playing it.

Things may have tightened up recently at Pleasure Lounge. My Tuesday visit was the first in two years. But I suspect not too much.

DeeUncola
07-12-03, 15:41
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill They book only two ladies per night. Therefore tip dancers will often drop in to look over the crowd(?). If they think they can make a couple of bucks they will dance a set or two until they have cleaned up all the available pesos and they'll be off. I beleive that they are the 'hookers' reported to drop in occasionally.

A girl walks in, goes right to the bathroom and as she exits the bathroom is told, shouted at by the bartender, to "GET OUT, NOW!." She is still in street clothes.

She exits immediately. No customer interaction. This is not a tip dancer but a known SW who came in to pee.

If I remember correctly, the bartender had the bouncer look out in the lot as she exited to make sure she was not strolling outside.

Another young blonde is circling in the parking lot ogling me as I go in. A variation of the drive by SWs in New York City. This is not a tip dancer. Could've been a cop sting, but not a tip dancer.

Right next to the bar is a SUPER EIGHT MOTEL but formerly was the JADE EAST, a redlight hotel.

These are hookers not tip dancers.

This is not to give a false impression. Hooking is rare in Bergen County but when it occurs, this will be the probable area.

DeeUncola
07-12-03, 21:40
Some second hand info - at an inferior board, so I will not mention its name - recently gave more confirmations of FS and BJs which have been reported at the frightful Mickey Dees by others.

I will NOT report their details but rather will recapitulate some first hand experiences of my own at Mickey Dee's.

This is as good a time as any to bring up my own first hand experiences of January, March and June 2003 visits to Mickey Dees.

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Suzannah Late 40ish, early 50ish chunky Brazilian

Looks about a 3

Sleaze 9+ Maybe a 10.

Will do almost anything, cheap but watch your money. Very pushy May lift some bills.

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Another Brazilian [Not sure about name]

40ish. Pudgy but in a nice way Dyed her hair blonde. Nice shaved puss.

Gave good FS sex, and wiped up afterward. Smiled and gave me a good bye look at her clitoris. $50

Wonderfully nice lady. A pro. Not sure about her name, though. She insisted on a condom.

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The French girl : Michelle

Friendly

7-8 in looks. But do not expect her to let you squeeze her for a buck at the bar. Has some self respect. Good English.

Never went back with her myself but have seen others and suspect she is willing for the right price which is a lot more than what the Brazilians usually charge.

Asked her what her rates were once. She would not tell me.

Probably, I was too ugly for her. The story of my life. Rejected by hookers.

Very nice lady though - and considering that she refused to tell me her rates - probably a lady with a good dose of self respect. Fun to chat with.

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Another girl American

On the fat side but younger. Looks 4. If she lost weight it would sore. Black hair.

Proudly announced her rates were $100 for FS, $80 for BJ out loud to the whole bar, by which it was known she charged more than the Brazilians. Said she was worth every penny.

Overall friendly, but she has a temper.

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Once was offered FS by an older Russian for $50.

Did not take her up.

Looks a 4.

Russians are not common in Mickey Dee's.

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To all of these prices you must add the $20 room charge.

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One of the American women reported that some Brazilians can be persuaded to waive the condoms for a few bucks more. This agrees with another second hand report I have read. And it agrees with some first hand experience with the Brazilians I have had there.

For ex: I once stuffed a buck down a Brazilian's panty into her bush and groped ONLY to have another jealous Brazilian grab my hand out of the bush it was in and push it down her bikini bottom to rub her own bush. A disease transfer of unimaginable proportions.

And to think my hand participated in it - albeit unwillingly. One bush at a time for me, if you please. And I insist on scrubbing in between. Keep your nails clean. Don't need no little nasties under the cuticles.

Almost immediately after this unexpected medical horror display of how to spread disease quickly I went to the men's room and scrubbed my hands thoroughly with the septic soap they had. Making sure to scrub every inch twice.

The girls however remained at the bar, competing for bucks. A war of disease transferring chicas.

I was afraid my nails would glow radioactively after that.

Do I believe that either of these girls could be persuaded to have sex without raincoats? In a heartbeat. Would I want to have sex with them. Not FS! One of the gals later at another bar did give me a BJ.

Here is the rub, I only asked for a Handjob bareback. Safer for everyone.

She then went down and gave an impromptu BJ. Had I thought better of it I would have said no. But I said yes to her offer of an upgrade. Little Deeuncola was doing the thinking at that moment. But she got gooed. Checked later with a doc to be safe, Was told I was okay but acted foolishly. Agreed, embarrassedly.

BUt I avoid this girl now and consider myself lucky. A bit too willing to please.

Anybody who takes up the willing Brazilians on bare back FS sex will undoubtedly get Brazilian Penis Drop Off Fungus.

The original Brazilian I had FS with insisted on a condom, so not all Brazilians are this bad.

Parking is easy. Lot was recently expanded. Never had problem. Tip the outside crew $2 coming out, They do get to know you. You tip one of them, only one.

Hours are from around 3 to 10 or 11 on Thurs, Fri and Sat. depending on crowd and bartender. I think 12-8 PM on Tues and Wed. But I am NOT sure.

Owner's wife is in kitchen until 5-6:30 PM. Nothing happens until she leaves. If the girls refuse to flash you have to wait.

After 6PM, things are usually cool.

Sex can be hand almost any night.

But on most nights girls will probably shock you into temporary celibacy.

2-3 visits and a lot of whiskey may be needed to get juices flowing again. But by third visit one girl should be okay.

They are leery of newbies. So you will have to try groping and asking quietly in their ears. Let them know you are not a cop.

Cops rarely take uncontrollable risks, so a clit rubbing, which at Mickey Dee's can be a life threatening manuver, is a way to demonstrate civilian status.

As you rub their buttpn, ask if they f*** for $30. Start low. Bargain up! You will be amazed how low they will go. Not every girl will allow her clit to be rubbed. Nor will all offer FS. These you politely pass by. But at least one girl will assist you in the button search and will offer herself freely.

And remember: Every day is a sale day at Mickey Dee's.

IF YOU ASK, THEY WILL SELL.

The French and American girls charge more.

They are not open on Sunday and/or Monday. I am not sure which.

Single Bar. Lots of space and chairs. A kitchen. Booze is reasonable. And little hustle.

Neighborhood is safer than it looks; but it looks real bad.

Most of the clientele are white guys. So that should calm your fears as to the violence of the neighborhood. Outsiders are not afraid to venture in.

Hookers can be seen on the street outside. Once saw a youngish blonde a block away. Pick up at your risk.

Most SWs outside are black SWs.

I think that is as full a detail of Mickey Dee's as I have ever given and probably more than any have ever given.

DeeUncola
07-15-03, 00:19
Originally posted by Soft Touches This looks like a good place to start for me. Could you tell me where Mickey Dee's is? Town, Street etc.

ThanksMicky Ds 110 Belmont St Paterson, New Jersey, USA

Map to the place

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp? zoom=7&country=USA&state=NJ&city=Paterson &address=110+Belmont+St

Copy that but put it all in one line and then in your location bar.

DeeUncola
07-15-03, 00:34
Originally posted by Wooly ....It just ain't safe. On that other board it is described as a "shithole dump" and that it has the "ugliest woman in the tri-state area".

There are too many much cleaner, safer and more entertaining spots in Paterson. Try Hi-Beams, Slappy's or Marcet.Ugly! Yes. 2 out of 3 visits will show women who could scare a sailor into celibacy.

But 1 out of 3 will have a lady worth doing something with.

At Marcet, you cannot get laid on site at the bar: I never could and I tried. You may be able to get an appointment outside. I once did.

HiBeams has promise. Never succeeded.

Mickey D's is the place where it is almost impossible not to find one willing and cheap girl.

Scary hood?! You bet! Not as bad as it looks. Shithole?! The worst but you ain't going there for the interior decorations. One thing in its favor: the bathrooms are clean - pleasantly unusual for a strip club. Well stocked. The hot and cold faucets work and the ANTISEPTIC soap dispenser is always full. Very important.

No vomit on the floor like at Guy's. No urine on the tiles like everywhere else.

You ain't going there for the haute couture. You are going there to get laid. Let's keep our eyes on the prize, people.

DeeUncola
07-15-03, 00:53
Originally posted by Wooly ..... On that other board it is described as a "shithole dump" and that it has the "ugliest woman in the tri-state area". I wish you had given the full quote for more balance which was

"Mickey D's is a shithole dump....but catch it on the right night and its a low class slice of Heaven."

Though to be fair to you, you did understate the ugliness quote.

"I will tell you that Mickey D's does have some of the ugliest women in the Tri-State area. We were pestered for a while by some refugee from the night of the living oldsplukers."

The place has its drawbacks, but once in a while it hits gold.

DeeUncola
07-19-03, 00:07
Originally posted by Soft Touches Think I'll try another place. Last night I decided to go out and for a drive in Passaic looking for the strip club on Belmont St.. Well I didn't quite get to it...

Glad that you got a happy ball by call girl.

You had right street.

WRONG TOWN.

110 Belmont St. PATERSON NJ

Not Passaic!

No big deal. We all make honest mistakes. Mickey Dee's closes by 10 or 11 on weekends. Earlier in the first part of the week depending on the bartender.

DeeUncola
07-19-03, 00:09
Originally posted by Soft Touches Sorry! I posted my adventures in Passaic in the Newark Forum by accident.

Look it up, and yes I agree "What A SH*T Hole".

Did you finally find it?

110 Belmont St. PATERSON NJ Not Passaic!

No big deal. We all make honest mistakes.

If you are scared. try early evening like 7PM

DeeUncola
07-19-03, 00:25
Originally posted by Rebrobate218 DeeUncola,

You may have notice that when I post on this site I make many typos. When I post here I have had my cocktails for the night. The delay is something you have to get used to. You are the best, keep the infor flowing.

We all make typos! Some here take umbrage at my honest typos but my view is that only those who give little or no info are typo-free.

Your Mickey Dee report was A-1, on the money. Now, you or I have to find a similar place - so on those nights when Mickey Dee's fields a crew which does not suit our fancy we have a back up bar to get laid.

Guy's Vie en Rose will get you off, by suck and probably a fuck; but it will be out in the open and you will be vacuumed free of singles by the Russian bartenders.

HiBeams holds much promise. I did not have enough cash to fully try it out. The $20 lapdancers promise to get you off, but they have yet to promise me to let me in to get me off. This may just be self-respect on their part concerning my singular ugliness. Your mileage may vary.

DeeUncola
07-19-03, 18:29
Originally posted by Rebrobate218 Dee,

I see you have figured out who I am on the other board. Good snoop job. The bottom line is that you really can hit gold here. You may have to walk through some BS to get there but a good time can be had. And if not, simply move on.

Enjoy life!On the other inferior board, I was originally logged in as Deeuncola, also.

The first time, at the other inferior board, I got bounced for posting an email when I did NOT even know that posting emails was forbidden. I wrote back to the guy and explained it.

No reprieve.

So I reregistered as MurdochSanchez. Then I got bounced again.

The odd thing was that a month and a half after I was banned as MurdochSanchez, someone wrote in to mention how accurate my report was on Guy's Vie en Rose and how he had used my tried and true methods, and how for $80, my method of intelligent groping enabled him to get satisfaction.

I will post the Groping at Guy's method right after this. So it will appear before this on the board.

DeeUncola
07-19-03, 20:04
Groping at Guy's PERSONAL NOTE:This method was first posted by me at an inferior board, under my nom de voyeur of MurdochSanchez where it was later confirmed. Since WSG is a better board, I will post it here, too, in more elaborate detail

The Club Guy's Vie en Rose

Abstract

Recent researches by me, and others, have led to some remarkable conclusions about getting cooze at Guy's Vie en Rose, Proper methods of dollar disperal can effect a good experience for a minimal expense while avoiding, to a large degree, the attenuations of funds caused by the predatory actions of Russian bartenders, chief of whom is called Ursula.

The Method

When you walk into the bar, know that your first enemy is not the natural reluctance of the girls to put out, but Ursula, the pudgy Russian bartender, whose chief occupation is to make sure no girl puts out UNLESS she is properly paid off in drinks.

First, walk in.

Spy the girls. If there are no good looking ones, walk out. Usually there will be one or two.

Second, buy yourself a drink.

Third, call a girl over that you like and see, if for a buck, she will let you grope breast. If not, move on to another.

As soon as any interest is shown by you towards any girl, Ursula will come over and ask you to buy the girl a drink for a seat dance. Do Not agree unless the girl is going to go all the way. Tell Ursula you want to try the girl first.

But here is your chance to soothe the predatory Russian bartender. Offer to buy Ursula a drink, instead.

Make a show of it: so that Ursula, you and a good portion of the bar knows that you bought Ursula a drink. This will buy peace.

In 5 minutes. Ursula will be back asking you to buy her a drink, denying you bought her a drink the first time. This time refuse and insist you already have bought her a drink the first time. She will back off when she realizes you are nice but not stupid. The first drink has bought you peace.

Fourth, call your girl over again. This time when she drops her bra, put the dollar in her hand. Women, even strippers, like to be treated like a lady.

Fifth: wait a minute as she dances.

Sixth, when she comes back again, see if she lets you grope bush. If not, move on. If so....

Seventh, ask if she wants to seat dance and if so, what extras will be provided.

Now, is the time to bargain. For only three dollars and two gropes, you have established the girl's willingness to act. If she says no extras, move on. Some prefer to ply them to soften their hearts. Stop dreaming, move on. Be sure to bargain low.

Eighth, if the dancer agrees, bring her over to sit with you. Ursula will descend like a vulture making sure you will buy the dancer a drink and to recommend you buy the other Russian bartender a drink.

Ninth, buy the dancer a drink; but demure on buying the other bartender a drink. Instead, give Ursula, a dollar or two, and tell her to give it to the other bartender as a tip. Yes, it is not the $5 drink Ursula wants for the other bartender, but it will allow Ursula the option of pocketing the money for herself instead. A win-win for all.

Cost so far:

$5 drink to Ursula, $2 extra in tips. $3 in gropes to the dancer. $5 for your bar drink. $5 for the dancer's drink

$20 over all. Maybe $25 if the dancer wants a refill. When bargaining, be sure to work this drink allowance out.

Be prepared! The money will hemmorage now. Good to have $30 in singles stacked high and available or else the action will be stopped. Hand jobs will be delayed for you to "tip my friend."

Tenth:

Pay your dancer the agreed fee and she will start. Bargain low.

Ursula will come over in a fury. "Is there anything going on here?" You say, "No! But why don't I buy you that [second] drink, Ursula?" Give her $5. She will give napkins and hand lotion to the girl at that point. The dancer will, of course, deny anthing is happening, I have seen this done, with my penis in the girl's hand. After you buy Ursula the drink, she will hand the dancer the clean up materials.

The fun begins. You member will be pulled, blown or maybe inserted in front view of the bar. The other dancers will come over demanding tips. Be smart. A dollar to each is necessary. Only give more if serious groping is allowed. Nothing like being pulled by one girl which squeezing the casabas of another.

I have gotten hand jobs and a blow job at Guy's, I tried to avoid tipping Ursula at first only to be threatened by her with being tossed out. If you do NOT tip her she will interfere and call the bouncer. Tip her and all is peace. Consider it a room fee.

Did see what once looked like a FS with a bar towel over over action zone as a dancer bore down on a man she was sitting on. Ursula must have been tipped well.

Other techniques.

Russians have 'tudes'. So tell a Russian girl, "I Know Russian women are ladies, so I will give you $5 and you do not have to do anything but fix me up with some slutty Brazilian." This is money well spent. It can cut down on bar groping expenses and help you find what you want fast.

Treat the Russians like ladies and they will show you the Brazilians who will skank.

Offer $10 to Ursula if she will fix you up. Do not laugh. Never tried it. It may work.

Once had a Russian fix me up with a Brazilian.

Conclusion

Recent researches by me, and others, have shown that proper handling of Ursula can be used to cut costs and minimize financiall attenuations while maximizing cooze. Further research is indicated.

DeeUncola
07-21-03, 16:26
Recent Report

The Club

Doctor's Cave

Where

245 Grand Avenue, Paterson, NJ

The date

A recent Weekend, July 2003

The Women's Looks

3-6

Sleaze-O-Factor® Scale

5-

Parking

There was a roped off parking area, next to the club. Roped off, due to recent street repairs.

Area is about as scary as Mickey Dee's environs. There is a CARRIER distributorship across the street with a lot. It claims to tow parkers, but I suspect only during business hours.

It is easier to park than near the Market Street Trio.

Cost

4 hours for $38 which included two half hour seat chats with two girls for a $5 drink each.

Tipping to the dancers and ladies was pushed but not at the confiscatory levels of Guy's Vie en Rose. You can discourage the vultures who swarm in by saying "No!," or giving them a dollar and saying "move on," or "one girl at a time," if you are already with one girl, or stepping away from the bar for a second as they approach.


Description

The girls were mostly in their 30s, not as old as at Mickey Dee's, or the Market Street trio. Though younger, this was offset by plump. The plumpness was usually in proportion to their youth. For example, one was Brazilian, a 6 in looks, older, probably early 40s but moderately plump. Another was a youngish late 20s/early 30ish but very obese. Overall the ladies were 3 to 6 in looks.

Sleaze was, as noted, 5-. I could very easily get nipple massages for a buck from the Brazilian girls, who to a woman, let me do so; and I did manage to get one Brazilian lady to let me look at and grope the bush for a buck. I could probably have gotten this also from the other Brazilians but the other Brazilians did not do it for me. A friendly Brazilian who looked in her mid 40s, but claimed to be in her mid 30s, was close enough to attractive to warrant such attention from me, and she was willing to let me plunge.

There was a moody but nice Russian. I did nothing with her, by my choice. Just put the buck in her hand.

[NOTE:The East Europeans are usually so reluctant, that it is my practice to avoid pissing them off by attempting anything. Instead, I tip them lightly, while attempting nothing, and ask them, in return, to point out a sluttly Brazilian who will put out for me. This has worked for me in the past.] There was another very nice East European lady who chatted with me for half an hour for just a drink. Did nothing with her, but she was a great chat.

I was told by the bartender that there is a lapdance area. $20. I do not know for how long they let you lapdance.

But I was warned by the East European Lady that no privacy is afforded, so I did not bother with the lapdances.

Bartenders were the best looking I have ever seen.

One was a bleached blonde young Brazilian, very fair, and with only a hint of a belly. She was an 8. Nice rack, well shaped ass. The other bartender was a raven haired Brazilian beauty. Smaller but still perky breasts, nice face; almost adrogynous but still desireable. A 7. She was svelte, no flab.

Pity, these two were not dancing, instead. Life is not fair.

Air conditioned to frigid levels at the back. I liked it. The friendly Brazilian dancer complained and put on a silk overshirt to keep warm while she chatted with me for a drink.

Final Summation On a par with Twins in South Hackensack but not on a level with the Marcet - from what I remember of the Marcet from November 2002.

Of course, I did not try the lapdance area, given that I was warned about lack of privacy.

It is possible this was another Mickey Dee's and I did not see the "inner brothel" latent in the establishment. But unless and until another contributor here, aprises me otherwise, I will not return to Doctor's Cave. I saw it as too tame for me. I could have been wrong. I seriously doubt that I am. Correct me, if I am.

Some Second Hand Opinion

My own report about Doctor's Cave is first hand, but the SCL reports that old ladies are common at Doctor's Cave. Another report, I wish I could remember where, I can't, said the lapdances were not good. Hence, my first hand report above may be too charitable. I may have come in on a better than average day.

Your mileage and expectations may vary and you may like it though.

My report is first hand with some second hand info thrown in but indicated.

DeeUncola
07-21-03, 17:39
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dirtmonger [i]Wwhere is Vie en Rose? QUOTE]

108 Market St. Paterson Just uo the block from Baby Dolls and Moonlight, forming what is called the Market St. Trio.

DeeUncola
07-22-03, 17:13
Originally posted by myself, DeeUncola 7-21-03 Of course, I did not try the lapdance area, given that I was warned about lack of privacy.

It is possible this was another Mickey Dee's and I did not see the "inner brothel" latent in the establishment. But unless and until another contributor here, aprises me otherwise, I will not return to Doctor's Cave. I saw it as too tame for me. I could have been wrong. I seriously doubt that I am. Correct me, if I am.

Some Second Hand Opinion

My own report about Doctor's Cave is first hand, but the SCL reports that old ladies are common at Doctor's Cave. Another report, I wish I could remember where, I can't, said the lapdances were not good. Hence, my first hand report above may be too charitable. I may have come in on a better than average day.

According to a report by KingofQueens at an inferior board dated 7-20-03, he got laid at Doctor's Cave.

So, did I fail to notice Doc's "inner brothel?" I still seriously doubt it. Here's why!

Even KingofQueens revealed the oddity of this when he noted the dance was monitoried.

He said, "...the dance....is closely monitored by some guy who walks you over to the other side of the bar....

He also noted, "...she only does it with her on top, she seemed to have a fear of being caught..

His report seems to indicate that his hooha at Doc's Cave was unusual, not a common occurence. If it was common, why was she afraid of being caught and why was the guy monitoring them?

A re-examination of the site and other reports indicates that Doc's maybe should be upped to a 6, that is hand pulls; but a weak 6, if even that. Do they fondle you with their hands inside or outside your pants? If she does not directly touch you, I would leave it at a 5.

A 7 is your boy outside your pants and her hand working proudly.

So again, I am still staying roughly close to my recent estimate of a 5- in the Sleaze-O-Factor® Scale.

Why?! Because my readings of the reports of others does not push Doc's Cave up to the level of a Mickey Dee's or Guy's or even a Cabaret.

At Mickey Dee's, Guy's and Cabaret the hand pulls are proudly done, not hidden.

While hand pulls at Doc's are reported and outside arrangements are reported, the general recent trend is to diminish the bar or the ladies in the recent reports of others.

See shorty's 6-19-03 post which seems to indicate he got hand pulls from newer girls. But, he warns, "You might get stuck with grandma rio[w] fondling your balls for an hour."

I do not even know if the fondling is in his pants or she is just rubbing his jeans.

This is not exactly a clear 6, at least not a 6 worth going for.

It is possible that KingofQueens is right to assess it so highly but I trust WSG far more than the inferior board so before I upgrade Doc's Cave:

Let's get other reports here form WSG.

I am sticking with my 5- assessment allowing for the oddball extra maybe.

Before I upgrade my estimate. from a 5 or 6 I will have to hear from others here on this board. Until then, I will assume KingofQueens got unusually lucky and his event is not idicative of the bar in general.

My OWN PERSONAL FIRST-HAND ESTIMATE remains a 5-, though I will allow that 6's may be common.

The other day, at Doc's, the girls all complained they were being watched.

At Mickey Dee's unless you are outright f**king on the barrail, you are left alone.

DeeUncola
07-25-03, 17:59
Originally posted by Soft Touches Well I went out venturing tonight to find twins. I must have screwed up the directions or something. When I stoppped a couple of times in Hackensack they had no idea what I was talking about.

Twins is in South Hackensack BUT South Hackensack is in three distinct parts and they are NOT close to each other.

The TWINS strip club is on 2 South Main St. South Hackensack, NJ

The best way I have found to get there is take Rt 46 W from the Little Ferry traffic circle.

Just before you go over the Passaic River get off at the last exit and take River Road South.

Stay on River Road. It will eventually change names but when you finally hit the end - a T - turn right and park right there. That is TWINS.

Other ways may be faster but this has a minimum of turns.

DeeUncola
07-30-03, 00:08
QUOTE]Originally posted by Rebrobate218 Dee,

I see you have figured out who I am on the other board. Good snoop job. ..... [/QUOTE]On the other board you mentioned George and I in Newark; but not much.

Have not been there in 1-1/2 years. Care to elaborate?

DeeUncola
08-05-03, 13:43
I was going to write a long apology to everyone for not having been to Paterson recently and for not having news to report. It seems, however, that no one has posted in a week here, and so everyone is avoiding Paterson; so no apology is in order.

Has something happened?!

DeeUncola
08-08-03, 08:31
The Club: MARCET CAFE

Where: 1011 Market, Paterson, NJ Upper Market Street near Rt. 80.

The date: A recent Weekday, August 2003

The Women's Looks: 3-8

Sleaze-O-Factor® Scale: 5+++/6---

Parking: You can usually park on the side street. Usually you tip a guy who "watches" your car.

Cost: About 1-1/2 hour for $43.

The girls here have most definitely picked up in looks from 2002. Lots of good lookers.

I got great gropes and one sqouze my Johnson but on the outside of my jeans.

Girls were friendly. And outside work was offerred.

Description: A lot of good lookers, some in their 20s; some who claim to be in their 20s but who are easy on the eyes, nonetheless.

My report is first hand.

DeeUncola
08-08-03, 08:47
The Club: Mickey Dee's

Where: 110 Belmont, Paterson, NJ

The date: A recent Weekday, August 2003

The Womens' Looks: 2-5

Sleaze-O-Factor® Scale: 9+++/10---

Parking: Recently expanded the parking lot. You tip a guy on a seat outside as you leave.

Cost: $9 for a short while.

Mickey Dee's is an easy task.

You walk in. Check out the girls. If you like them, you bargain with them. If they do not suit your fancy, you leave before spending too much.

Description: There was a good looking 45 year old Blonde, Brazilian. Nice! But she did not speak English or Spanish. So I decided not to go with her. The others did not suit my fancy. So I left.

My report is first hand. Again, Mickey Dee's is hit or miss.

Special: It now claims to be a SPORTS BAR. New Sign. Expanded Parking Lot. Looks like they are improving. So the cheap quickie days may be numbered.

DeeUncola
08-08-03, 09:17
The Club: Hi Beams

Where: 182 Getty Ave, Paterson, NJ

The date: A recent Weekday, August 2003

The Womens' Looks: 6-10 --- Yes, a 10!

Sleaze-O-Factor® Scale: 5-

Parking: A side street or across the street. Usually easy to get.

Cost: $20 or so for 1-1/2 hour.

Tipping to the dancers and ladies was pushed but not at the confiscatory levels of Guy's Vie en Rose.

Description: The girls were spectacular; but limited. 2 blacks and 2 whites. Every one a gem.

One black and one white girl rated an 8.

Lapdances are offered.

One white girl, Jennifer, rated a 10 in looks. Small breasted, 24 years, alabaster skin, and brunette, curly hair. A perfect 10. A Glorious Dave Letterman gap in her
teeth. Friendly, laughing demeanor.

One girl, whose name will not be mentioned, offered to give me FS for $80 in the lapdance area. But when she went up with another customer to the lapdance area, she came back and told me they were watched so she had to withdraw the offer.

Whether this is normal, or occurs only at certain times when the manager rides them is not certain.

Final Summation: Of course, I did not try the lapdance area, given that I was warned about lack of privacy. It was noted that had I gone up immediately when the offer was tendered, the manager may not have been around. But, that is not clear.

Your mileage and expectations may vary and you may like it though.

My report is first hand.

DeeUncola
08-08-03, 09:42
The Club: Tropicana

Where: 581 River Ave, Paterson, NJ

The date: A recent Weekday, August 2003

The Womens' Looks: 4-8

Sleaze-O-Factor® Scale: I re-post the scale here to keep everyone up to date.

THE OFFICIAL SLEAZE-O-FACTOR SCALE

1 - Clothes on, all the time.

2 - Breast flashes

3 - Breast touching.

4 - Breast touching, bush flashes.

5 - Breast and bush touching

6 - Hand pulls (in your pants)

7 - Hand jobs (with member proudly displayed)

8 - Blow jobs

9 - Full service

10 - All of the above with girls walking by and giving complimentary hand pulls for no more than a buck.

Sleaze-O-Factor Scale for Tropicana: 4-?

That may a gross underestimate.

See my description.

Parking: Has a nice parking lot.

Cost: $23 or so for 2-1/2 hour.

Description: Lapdances are offered. $20.

Was told second hand, that some action occurs in the lapdance room by some people and dancers. Other dancers denied this.

Apparently the manager peeks in once in a while through the parkay divider, while the couple is preoccupied. Whether he is a voyeur or making sure things remain cool is not clear.

Whether this is normal, or occurs only at certain times when the manager rides them is not certain.

He seems to be a nice guy. So I cannot help here. Maybe he's just is protecting the girls.

Was told major action could be had, but depends on the girls. Those who do, do. Those who don't, deny they are allowed to do anything.

Cannot verify either way.

Has been refurnished since 2002.

The adjacent bar no longer has dance girls. Apparently the lapdances killed the action in the adjacent bar.

Was offered outside get together.

Final Summation: I was about to try the lapdance area, but decided not to.

Your mileage and expectations may vary but you may like it though.

My report is first hand.

DeeUncola
08-09-03, 18:52
Originally posted by Wooly Why would anyone who has actually been there recommend this shithole to someone from out of state, without any mention of the disgusting area?

A wrong turn could easily result in a car-jacking or worse.

The 'gentlemen' standing around on the corner here are selling something, which may or may not be girl scout cookies. I did not try to find out. In addition to actually stopping in, I have driven past several times. I do not pretend to be an expert on drug dealing, but this appeares to be as close to finding out as I ever want to be. Wooly, the area is NOT as bad as it looks. Park your car in the lot and you will be safe.

As for the drug dealing, I have seen NO more drug dealing at Mickey Dee's than I have seen at any other "safer" strip club - which is to say, I have seen a lot. But as long as you do not interfere, it is cool.

Guy's La Vie en Rose which is in a totally protected area - by either the mob or pre-arrangement with police, or more likely both - has the girls taking drugs in the ladies room.

I have seen drug dealers come into the Marcet and pass packets to the girls.

So if proximity to drugs is a major reason to avoid Mickey Dee's you had better give up mongering. Many women in the trade do drugs. And the sellers arrive to service them. As long as you remain cool and apart, you will be okay.

Mickey Dee's is in a frightening neighborhood, I will grant you, but not as bad as it looks AND the proximity to drugs is unavoidable whereever women who cater to mongers abound. These women smoke, poke and yes, toke.

The most frightening thing at Mickey Dees can be some - not all - of the women. I think we can assent to that.


Originally posted by Wooly I have a job and the ability to find women who do not make me puke. I cannot imagine ever sinking to the level where I could acheive an organism with anything as ugly as the women at Micky D's.An "organism?!" Do you mean orgasm? I cannot rule out the very real possibility that you are coining a pun where you mean an orgasm with a disease ridden lady. You and I may not get along, but you are intelligent. I may use the term accordingly from now on, giving you the credit.


Originally posted by Wooly

Let me suggest:

a) Sandra at Slappy's. She gives a great blow job in the lady's room. Several others will also.Never been to Slappy's. May have to try it out.


Originally posted by Wooly b) Hi-Beams - Almost any gal will give a BJ upstaire in the LP area.Not so sure about Hi-Beams. Have had a woman offer to give me FS in the LD area. I waited as she went upstairs first with another customer. She came back only to withdraw the offer and the reason she gave was that the LD room was being watched and so her offer had to be withdrawn. Other girls there gripe about the management's monitorings. So this is probably not an unusual problem. There may be times when the management is less attentive, though.

They will offer to wet dance you till you come in your pants, that is for sure. But I do not like that.

Of course, it may be me which is turning them off.

One good point. I have seen 10s, 9s, and 8s among the dancers. If you are into quality - a wet dance with a 8 in looks is an almost definite here. One saw a white brunette who was 24 and a definite 10. The others were a blonde green-eyed Puerto Rican who went by the name of Princess and was a 8.5 in looks. The two blacks were clear 8's too. An outstanding array of offerings. So maybe I missed out on a golden opportunity by asking for FS when a BJ, might have been available. Note: Bring your own condoms.

You may be right, Wooly, but I am not a fan of BJs and would rather have FS, so the girls may be more reluctant with me. And FS is harder to hide from prying management eyes. In the end, I got nothing but a feast for the eyes. Been there twice. More or less the same on both occasions.


Originally posted by Wooly c) Marcet - Always one, two or more very attractive Dominicans (along with many dogs) who will provide FULL service off premises. Was there recently. Dominicans will indeed make outside arrangements. The girls that day, however, were pretty good. No dogs among them.

Marcet has improved immensely over last year.


Originally posted by Wooly d) Doctor's cave - Same as Marcet, although many more grandmothers.I went to Doc's Cave in July. We more or less agree on rating. At another site, one claimed he got laid there. I am suspicious of this being the usual case. Everyone seems to indicate the LD area is too well monitored.


Originally posted by Wooly These are all in safe locations. There is no need to worry about your car or your life as ar Mickey D's.Doc's Cave's area strikes me as worse than Mickey Dee's and the parking is harder.


Originally posted by Wooly If you enjoy MD's and can afford no better that's OK with me, but don't recommend it to others without indicating the risks \and the safer alternates.Marcet is a good recommendation if you want outside activity.

If you want inside action and Mickey Dee's is not your speed then try Guy's La Vie en Rose which is good if you are willing to buy off Ursula the bartender's demands for money for her to leave you alone. Be warned, when action starts to happen, the dollar vultures will circle. You have to buy Ursula a drink then or she will stop the action. So it can be a money pit.

Carbaret is a money pit. The girls circle you.

Moonlight is a total waste now.


Originally posted by Wooly Also there are numerous superior Newark locations. See that board and especially read the posts of Buffalo Bill and John Y Doe for excellent recomendations. The "superior" strip bars are never mentioned; only hinted at. True, street action is noted, but I favor strip bars.

Anyhow, Wooly, a personal question:

Why does Mickey Dee's scare you but not the idea of putting your schwantz in the mouth of a drugged-out woman who may hate men in general.

This is why I prefer FS. What goes in, will definitely come out.

Otherwise, excellent report.

DeeUncola
08-11-03, 12:03
Originally posted by Wooly
Dee,

You should actually go to the place insteat of just parrot what is posted from long ago on some other board. Get out of the house or Home where thet keep you ! I've been there and pass it frequently on my wat to amother place which I will not mention because I don't want any of your sick, useless remarks attached to it. I know what I see you don't even see whsat you report!

Wow, such a flame and here I was being nice to you.

I have been to Mickey Dee's. And I have given enough info to verify this.

Expanded parking lot.

Now calling itself a Sports Bar on the outside Sign.

Inside, one long bar which leads to a kitchen.

A rather well kept Men's Room, unusual for a strip bar.

Lap Dance room is at far end.

And when you enter the bar from the street, there is an unused room, a cubby hole of a room, an anteroom, before you enter the bar. Was probably once a coat room; but now the racks are removed. About 4 feet long by 12 feet wide. Roughly

As you enter the bar room, bar is on your left.

Cheap Stereo. Dance Pole is near stereo.

Was there on a weekday evening last week.and in January, and in March and at other times, this year.

DeeUncola
08-11-03, 12:51
Originally posted by Wooly Dee,

You should actually go to the place insteat of just parrot what is posted from long ago on some other board. Get out of the house or Home where thet keep you !You really are vicious! And after I complimented you last report.

My 8-09-03 post noted "Otherwise, excellent report." in regards to your post. I will not be so generous with you again, Wooly.

My reports are first hand. And where I do note second hand info, I CLEARLY CALL IT OUT AS SECOND HAND INFO. This is a legitmate method of passing info. I DO INDEED GO MYSELF!

Regarding you, Wooly: Those who can do. Those who can't gripe.
Originally posted by Wooly I've been there and pass it frequently on my wat to amother place which I will not mention because I don't want any of your sick, useless remarks attached to it. I know what I see you don't even see whsat you report! You have a problem here, Wooly. The vast majority of opinion seems to agree with me. Reprobate 218 give almost exactly the same appraisal of Mickey Dee's that I do. His 8-09-03 report agrees with my assessment of Mickey Dee's and also of the Marcet, except that Reprobate has had less success at Marcet.

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PS: To Reprobate 218:

Yes, more groping is needed to dispel any appearance of being a cop. Great report, Reprobate.

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Now back to Wooly:

In my previous post I described Mickey Dee's in such a way as to show that I have been inside there. Now I will describe the lapdance room to you, Wooly.

The room is roughly about 6 feet by 6 feet. The LD room is to the right of the bar and kitchen, and is in in a corner next to the men's room, which is in front of the lapdance room to the right. This is assuming you are facing the LD room. From another orientation, the bathrooms are directly across the bar/kitchen entrance.

So keep your attacks to yourself, Wooly

The only other bar - IF YOU WERE REFERRING TO A STRIP BAR - that I can think of near Mickey Dee's is Ragtime in West Paterson. But rather than refuse to give us the info; why not share it and enlighten us all? I have never been there and would appreciate the info.

Get off your high horse, Wooly.

DeeUncola
08-11-03, 12:53
Originally posted by J Burb
....Since my last post here I've made 3 more trips scoring dirt cheap 1/2 & 1/2 action each time (.20/.20/.30). Not bad. Every girl has been pleasant to deal with too, unlike some of the seasoned hard bitches I've occasionally encountered elswhere. I would have been posting more about these journys, but with the minimal contributions and feedback on this thread lately, I felt no one is really listening.

J Burb Looks, location, and race!

Details?! I love to listen!

DeeUncola
08-12-03, 13:12
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wooly Repro,

Before that guy with no life craps all over this board again.....

....and all but this asshole's make some mention of safty.

....unlike that guy who just spouts crap in order to see his name in print./QUOTE]I like you, too, Wooly!

DeeUncola
08-12-03, 14:14
Originally posted by J Burb To DEE or WOOLY,

I'd like to check out this Mickey Dee's myself sometime and will post my own neutral report if I do. Im not normally into the high cost/ low action factor of most strip joints, (especially when theres plenty of affordable SW's in Paterson) but this one seems it may appeal to my sense of low budget and maximum sleaze..... You will learn to love it. Low Budget Sleaze is why Mickey Dee's is in business.

It can produce a pleasant surprise. Not every day; but often enough to warrant return.


Originally posted by J Burb ....I'd appriciate any answers to the following questions either of you might provide. (or anyone else for that matter)...... I will try:


Originally posted by J Burb .... MICKEY DEE's

1) Is there a cover and/or drink minimum? If so how much? .... One drink minimum in practice. But if you walk in quick, and do not like what you see, you can walk out before you buy even that.

I go for a beer....$4.


Originally posted by J Burb ....

2) Is it a high pressured spending atmosphere? .... Amazingly no! You can wait around against the wall and look and avoid the bar tipping scene, if you want to.

But the best way is to look at the girls at the bar. Grab the attention of one you like - if you like any of them - and when she is free signal her over. Then see what she will let you touch for a dollar tip.

This is a good sign of how willing she is.

Pull her over and whisper in her ear what you want. Most will assent, some will not. Make sure she understands. When you say "la sexa" they may think you mean HJ or a simple lapdance. Add "Tengo un condon." and they may possibly undertand, though even there, they use condoms with HJs, so you may have to use hand signals to make yourself clear like a forefinger through the O on an OK sign. Some girls do only HJs. Be sure you use the proper words. Most Spanish and Brazilians know "culear." which means to f**k.

You should have no problem finding a girl willing to have FS with you, though you may have trouble finding a girl you are willing to have FS with.


Originally posted by J Burb [i].... 3) About how many girls will be there on a shift? .... 4 to 5 as a rule.

Two will be very old as a rule. One will probably be obese. But you can get the occasional angel.


Originally posted by J Burb ....

4) Any idea of activity costs? (touching, LD, BJ, FS ect.) and is there a private area that incurrs an extra fee? .... $1 for gropes except with the French girl.

Hand pulls will be offered by some at the bar. Her hand inside your pants, but usually only to entice you to go to the back room with her.

$20 goes to the bartender or manager for use of the Lapdance room.

The fee to the girl is negotiated with the girl.

An older Brazilian may give FS for $40, in which case you pay $20 to the manager for use of the Lapdance room and $40 to the girl, for a total of $20 + $40 = $60. $50 to the Brazilian if she looks good.

10-15 minutes.

Be aware: I am told by the non-Brazilian dancers that for $5 more the Brazilians will sometimes go without condoms. Anybody that stupid to take them up deserves the disease he gets.

BJ usually $40 + room fee ($20)

FS usually $40-$60 with Brazilians.

An chubby but good looking American girl wants $80 and $100 for BJ and FS, respectively.

There is a very good looking French girl who gets more. I once asked her what she charged and she would not tell me. But I was told it approximates $150 for FS. She is gorgeous though.

Again you pay the fee to the girl and $20 to the manager/bartender for the room.

WARNING!

DO NOT try to grope the French girl with dollar tips while she is at the bar. She demands more than a George for gropes.


Originally posted by J Burb ....

5) Will I be the only caucasion face in the bar and/or neighborhood?....In the bar, before sundown, you will NOT be the only white in the bar. There is usually one other. Right after dinner there is usually two or three white guys. NOT always. Usually older white guys.

The neighborhood is black. A slum. Not as bad as it looks. But it looks terrible. The parking lot is next to the bar. Tip a guy on a seat as you come out....NOT IN. Tell him, you'll catch him coming out.


Originally posted by J Burb .... 6) Also, I've read theres SW's around Belmonte but am only familiar with the Market / Broadway / Van Houten run. Can anyone confirm this or give me some alternative active streets in Paterson I might explore? ....Van Houten is positively terrifying. You keep thinking..."I hope my car does not break down."

I have seen hookers on Belmont while I was driving up to Mickey Dee's They usually hang out at the corner, fifty feet before Mickey Dee's. Once saw a white girl. You might see a hooker outside Mickey Dee's. They have always been black.


Originally posted by J Burb .... THANKS!

J Burb .... You are welcome.

Another trick might be for you to go to the MARCET. If you grope vigorously near the dance stage, they will know you are not a cop.

The Dominicans and a few Brazilians may give you a phone number.

Looking forward to your report.

It is scary but I have never had problems yet. The bar inside is full of mirrors. The washroom is unusually free of urine puddles or vomit - which is the sine qua non - of strip club men's rooms.

Guy's La View en Rose is a horror where on a Saturday Night, urine and vomit combine to make the slipperiest surface known to man.

I have never heard of this but you might try this at Mickey Dee's

See if you can get two at once for FS and DATY during a Lapdance. I bet you could.

I doubt you could find two you would want to do it with.

Final Note: On Weeknights, the owners wife is usually there until 5PM; sometimes to 6:30PM.

While she is there. Nothing, not even groping will be allowed.

In this case you wait against the wall and nurse your beer until she leaves. Within minutes after she leaves, the party will begin.

There are seats against the wall so this will be easy.

There girls will press for tips ONLY if you sit at the bar.

DeeUncola
08-12-03, 14:15
Repro:

Want to add your two cents in about Mickey Dee's so J Burb can get an idea.

I have already posted my answers.

Perhaps you can add something more.

DeeUncola
08-12-03, 14:18
What is happening at the PUBWAY?

Has it reopened?

Any good sex in the backroom for little money strip clubs in Newark, like some of the Paterson Bars.

Unless After Dark has changed I suspect it is still rotten.

DeeUncola
08-13-03, 12:28
Originally posted by Al Kikuras
Excuse my ignorance here, but can someone plz explain what a wet dance is? When you come in your pants, your pants will be wet. Hence, wet dance!

DeeUncola
08-14-03, 12:14
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
Another great post, Wooly. This board is really a mess and I'm sure that parasite will attach his crap to this message to screw it up further.I like you too B. Bill. You are as welcome as a gonadal fungal infection; but probably more useless.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill

J.Burb,
... Mick D's is not as dangerous as Wooly has indicated, he was responding to a request by an out-of towner. It is none-the-less dangerous, but that's not the reason to avoid it. It is the ugly old women, but that's a matter of taste.Which is exactly what I - and NOT Wooly - posted all along.


Originally posted by me, Deeuncola in the Paterson-North Jersey Section 8-09-03

Wooly, the area is NOT as bad as it looks. Park your car in the lot and you will be safe.
.....

The most frightening thing at Mickey Dees can be some - not all - of the women. I think we can assent to that.Care to tell us how that differs in the least from what you reported above? You merely confirm what I had already wrote.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
If you fantasize about fucking your grandmother, you will definitely enjoy this place. (Actually your grandmother is probabily more attractive.) Again, reread - if you can read because it looks to me as if you can't!....Hint: Try HOOKED ON PHONICS!


Originally posted by me, Deeuncola in the Paterson-North Jersey Section 8-09-3
The most frightening thing at Mickey Dees can be some - not all - of the women. I think we can assent to that.Wow! More or less the same info which I report when I politely corrected Wooly, yet you disparage my reportage even as you echo it. You correct Wooly in the same manner I did; and yet you call me a "parasite," when it is clear that you plagiarized from my report.

And on 8-12-03, I wrote about the girls at Mickey Dee's.


Originally posted by me, Deeuncola in the Paterson-North Jersey Section 8-12-03
Two will be very old as a rule. One will probably be obese. But you can get the occasional angel.By what stretch of the imagination do you plagiarize my reports and call yourself original and me a "parasite." You have a "beautiful mind," B. Bill; it needs Prozac.

Your trash continues:

Originally posted by Buffalo Bill

Rebrobate,
Your comment about Rx dealing ‘near’ Marcet is technically correct but totally misleading, something Bill Clinton would say. There is drug dealing and prostitution ‘near’ Marcet as there is everywhere in Paterson. It exists about six to ten blocks away around the projects.Wrong, Again! But, I have come to expect this from you. I have seen dealers come in and pass drugs to the dancers at Marcet. Yes, they do hang outside, to pick up business from the customers coming in and out and the drivers racing up from Rt 20.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
There is no way that anyone with reasonable intelligence would ever encounter such activities while going to Marcet. The traffic pattern, one way streets and quiet residential streets immediately around Marcet do not lead into any dangerous areas.....Wow! You have the area confused with Mister Roger's Neighborhood. Perhaps Wally and the Beaver live nearby?! Have you even been to the place? Have you ever even seen the drunk who "watches" your car? Even notice the hoods and hookers who occasionally wait across the street for customers.

There is no way that anyone with reasonable intelligence can avoid noticing the drugs and hookers; which of course explains your failure to notice it.

"It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, a beautiful..."

Oh, why do I even try? You no doubt are suffering from delusional fantasies.

Every minute cars race by from Rt 20 up Market Street trying to get to Rt 80; it is a quick bear to the right and you are at the Marcet. So much for the quiet neighborhood.


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
I admit that Marcet is difficult for an amateur to find but will not concede that the side streets, even around the projects are dangerous. I don’t know if you were trying to be deceptive by making this statement but its clear that you owe Wooly an apology. Reprobate's Report was one of the most excellent reports I have seen and you owe Reprobate an apology. You and your boy servant Wooly should give some real info like I and Repro do.

I post costs, looks, sleaze, and dates. All you post is bilious trash and hints about places you claim to have visited.

DeeUncola
08-14-03, 22:32
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
You raise stupidity to epic proportions !! Go back and read what you initially told Soft touches. Not once did you mention the danger of a bad turn. Wooly corredtly did. Just shut -up and go back to fucking your grandmother. You are a parisite. You suck the juice out of the useful posts in order see your name in print. You have no useful information and no one, other than youself, has ever said you provided anything of value! Again, you traffic in deceit, Billster.


Originally posted by me. Deeuncola
7-15-03

Micky Ds 110 Belmont St Paterson, New Jersey, USA

Map to the place

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp? zoom=7&country=USA&state=NJ&city=Paterson &address=110+Belmont+St

Copy that but put it all in one line and then in your location bar.

If you will notice, I gave him a map to the place so that Soft Touches would make no wrong turns. Wooly overreacted to the dangers of the neighborhood. A fact that even you admit when you admonished your boy servent.

See your quote below:


Originally posted by Buffalo Bill, 7-14-03


J.Burb
... Mick D's is not as dangerous as Wooly has indicated...

Why am I arguing with you, a deranged man? You consider the MARCET Neighborhood, to be a quiet residential neighborhood. Talk to your doctor. Tell him your medicine ia not working. Could he please change the prescription or up the dosage?

The Marcet Area is not an inner city war zone; but it is not suburbia either.

I merely corrected Wooly - and rather politely - referring to it as an "otherwise excellent report." For this I am trashed by you and your boy servant. And while trashing me, you end up agreeing with me?! You only post on this board to slam people.

OneEye, Reprobate, and myself! Who are you to tear anyone down?

I will give Wooly this. He, at least, posts useful info, You post hints, accusations, and vitriol. Wooly seems to feed off of you, When you are not around, your boy servant is less vile.

DeeUncola
08-15-03, 00:26
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
....You are a parisite. You suck the juice out of the useful posts in order see your name in print. You have no useful information and no one, other than youself, has ever said you provided anything of value! Let me quote from Rebrobate218 in his post of 8-13-03


Originally posted by Rebrobate218
....I don't like DeeUncola nor do I dislike him. Never met the guy, but he does put out some great posts. They are not only funny but very informative as well. You have to admit that his "sleaze-o-meter" or what ever he calls it is great and to some degree something to live buyThere, Bill, someone other than myself. I can give you more if you want. Well, that answers you Bill. Now, on to someone worthy to chat with.

****Now to The Commendable Reprobate218 ****


To Repro:

Thanks for saying someting nice about my reporting.

Though I do not get along with Wooly - and though he seems to despise me and disparage me - Wooly's reporting is reasonably good and trustworthy. I merely told him that Mickey Dee's is not as dangerous as it looks. It couldn't possibly be. It looks pretty bad. Wooly just over-reacted to my assessment.

The area around Vic's in Irvington scares me more. I have been inside the Vic's . Wild! but I am not partial to black booty. Prefer latinas or whites. Not racist, just a preference like some men prefer blondes.

PS: I came up with the scale ratings, yes; but I oringinally called it merely a sleaze scale. It was OneEye who coined the SLEAZE-O-FACTOR® label.

Labels are so important.

I cannot help you with Ragtime. Buffalo Bill posted on the place and you should go by that.

But there is some info which might interest you.

Recent Report

Caberet
Cianci Street. Paterson.
Down the street and to your right from the Moonlight.

Sleaze 6+, probably a lot more.

Looks 3-7s.

I had originally labelled Cabaret a 6- in sleaze; but a recent visit was an eye opener. I was there this August 2003 and saw hand pulls openly given. Her hand pulling in your pants. Upgraded to 6+ on the scale. But more was offered. This was an offday weeknight when there was less of a crowd so they probably had to work harder. This may not apply to weekends.

On the weekend it is a money pit with girls all over you for singles. On an weeknight it seems to less crowded. Less vulturism. The bartenders do push drinks though.

One lady, a Dominicana, in her 30s, and a bit chubby but cute offered me FS in a corner after I asked her if she would. She then serviced another man first with a Hand Pull. But when I saw her pull another man's schwantz in his pants - and when I noticed she did not wash afterwards - many girls do wash after service - I decided to call the action off. She wanted me to stay and have FS with her - and was upset when I told her I was leaving. I did not want her smearing another man's schwantz salsa over me with her hands. She was nice though and encouraged bush groping from all the customers.

Even at Mickey Dee's most girls will wash up after service.

The bartenders, dancers, and customers are Spanish speakers primarily and if you speak Spanish, not Brazilian Portuguese, this is good.

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Guy's La Vie en Rose could approximate an open air Mickey Dee's if it werem't for Ursula, the money grubbing bartender. She ruins the bar. Her constant badgering for vig deflates may a budding bulge.

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I trust this helps you, Reprobate.

DeeUncola
08-15-03, 14:43
Originally posted by J Burb
Recently I also snagged Karen during the week for .20 .... I regret not doing my usual vaginal inspection first because this ***** didnt inform me she was on the rag and blead all over me and my vehicle. She then had the nerve to ask me for my number to arrange something regular knowing I was already annoyed. Never again! Vaginal inspections are MANDITORY from now on before I give up a single dollar. Not only was it gross and gave her pussy a lack of friction, a SW's blood doesnt seem a safe thing to come in contact with under any curcumstances.A "lack of friction"? How would you know unless.....I do not even want to think about it! Please tell us you did not actually enter this woman, in that condition. Sometimes you have to tell Mr. Eager, "Not Tonite!"

I always carry Purell in my car for just such an emergency. Carry some disinfectant handiwipes with you. These women wheeze, sneeze, ooze, and cooze all over the place.

True, I rarely pick up in my car, but I can carry the clean up wipes in packets in to any bar when I anticipate activity.

Alcohol should disinfect everything. A cheap bottle of rubbing alcohol.

Great report; but won't be able to eat for a while.

DeeUncola
08-15-03, 15:00
Showed up at High Beams on a recent August 2003 Saturday Night as well as a weeknight.

Some High Beams notes.

On Saturday Night, Hi-Beams is a total zoo. Crowded so thick with people you literally have to wiggle through the crowd to get through the upper room.

Girls are usually outstanding with few below a 7 in looks. With one exception of a girl, most girls will ask $200 for FS - whether inside or outside, probably an outside quote. This is not a strip club rate but a brothel rate, and a good brothel at that, so I never take them up.

There is a very nice blonde, green-eyed Puertoriqueña who is 21 years old. An 8.5 to a 9 in looks, she goes by the name of Princess. I overheard her state $200 for sex to someone which drew some laughs.

Princess is however friendly and nice beyond measure.

Hi-Beams is open on Sundays but no girls on Sunday.

You best bet is weeknights.

Also look out for Jennifer. A friendly brunette. A genuine 10 in looks. 24 years old. Check out her Dave Latterman tooth gap.

DeeUncola
08-16-03, 19:35
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DeeUncola
08-16-03, 20:27
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill
Did you or did you not ask about Ragtime ? I gave you an accurate first hand report on a place you asked about. Sorry the truth offends you. That's your problem. I don't see what I did wrong. Touchy! Touchy! He did not attack you, Bill. Repro merely stated his preference.

A better response would have been to recommend Hi-Beams where good to great looks and a bit of sleaze is possible [Wooly reports BJs - see Wooly's 8-06-03 report] and I have been offered action [only to have the offer withdrawn when the managers started monitoring - see my 8-08-03 report on Hi-Beams].

originally posted by, Wooly, on 8-06-03

b) Hi-Beams - Almost any gal will give a BJ upstaire in the LP area....

originally posted by, DeeUncola, on 8-08-03

One girl, whose name will not be mentioned, offered to give me FS for $80 in the lapdance area. But when she went up with another customer to the lapdance area, she came back and told me they were watched so she had to withdraw the offer.
Oh! Since you and Wooly doubt I that go to these places. I will describe the inside. Paintings of dancers on the walls and doors. A pink dancer painted on the inside door as your enter. There is a 4 by 4 anteroom, before you enter. A black stairwell with a blue/gray [if I remember correctly] dancer painted on it near the bottom pf the black stairwell. This is the stairwell to upstairs which is a pit. Both upstairs and downstairs have bars. Upstairs is usually only open for business on Saturday; but lapdances go up there any day of the week.

Since you B. Bill lie about me, I have to defend myself.

But Repro's response needed a compromise.

PS: See if you can notice this, Bill. This post of mine was not even an attack on you, merely a recommendation.

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To Repro:

Hi-Beams has good to great looks and possibly great sleaze. You can easily book at Hi-Beams for outside work but that tends to be in the area of $200 at a hotel. Have heard that number quoted to me personally more than once.

Apparently, when the monitor/manager is lax, action can be had. As stated above, I was offered FS once, but it was withdrawn after she noticed she was being watched. A wet dance - where they lap dance you till you wet your pants - is always available.

The lap dance room is next to the men's room at the top of the upstairs. It is wild. When I was there on a Saturday night I noticed they had a security guard looking into the dance area. Whether this is all the time or not, I cannot vouch. I suspect this is why the girl withdrew her offer [on a weeknight visit]. She did not want someone looking over her shoulder. But then maybe - and possibly more likely - she found me ugly and came to her senses. Or maybe one has to bribe the security guard to look the other way.

The guality of girl I have found here is outstanding. I have found 10, and 9, and 8s in both blacks and whites. So the sleaze, when obtained, would be of high quality.

You mileage may vary. I would think it depends on how much the girl likes you.

Girls to watch for.

Jennifer 24, Brunette, a 10 with a Dave Letterman tooth gap.

Princess 21, a blonde green-eyed Puerto Rican beauty, and 8.5 or 9.

DeeUncola
08-16-03, 20:34
Originally posted by Rebrobate218

Bottom line: If you can tell me where I can have a sleazy good time please tell me. Post your email Reprobate. I may have a phone # for you.

It is a few weeks old. And these girls dump cellphone #s all the time, so it could be dead by now. But post your email and I will give it to you. See what happens. I only have it memorized and if you wait too long, I may forget it.

Hi,

If you want to provide information to the other members, you need to post your email address and let them contact you. Otherwise, the forum will get cluttered with dozen of "reports" from guys asking for the info.

Thanks,

Jackson

DeeUncola
08-16-03, 20:50
Originally posted by Wooly
But his constant sense of superiorty, his know-it-all attitude, his resentment and hostility toward those who post useful reports, here I specifically mean Buffalo Bill and John Y Doe as well as myself, his total lack of touch with reality, and mostly his sheer nastiness make him intolerable.I have no quarrel with John Y. Doe. Why did you bring him up? In fact, even when we disagreed John was respectful and delightful. Here is one of his comments where he politely disagreed with me.


Originally posted by [b]John Y. Doe[b] on 6-17-03

My comment, DeeUnCola, is not intended as an attack on you. Your other warnings and suggestions to WSG and "that other forum site" have been among the most useful I have read.I have no quarrel with John Y. Doe; my quarrel is primarily with Buffalo - and there primarily for his viciousness, not his reporting.

I have great respect for John Y. Doe. Why did you mention him in this attack on me? John Y. Doe seems to get along with my reports and I find him a treasure trove of info.

If we agree on nothing else, we do agree on John's excellent reportage. But why did you mention him in the context of an attack on me?

DeeUncola
08-16-03, 23:37
Originally posted by Rebrobate218
I can say that my lack of success at Marcet is due to my looks and the fact that I refused to put time into when I lived there. The area of Marcet...like Mickey D's, if full of hard working people who life in a shit whole....I seriously doubt that you were unsuccessful because of your looks. When it comes to ugly, I set Olympic standards of excellence. I am gold medal ugly.

The girls at Marcet have to be worked properly. You have to let them know you are not a cop.

This is easy to accomplish. Do not hang out at the bar. Hang out near the stage. When they dance near you, refuse to offer them a dollar until they flash. Make them make the first move. Then touch them, It will probably be a nipple grope. If that is not allowed, then do NOT tip them again. If they allow nipple groping then when they come back look at their bikini bottom the next time they come around. They will probably drop their bra again for a tip but make a point of ignoring that while you look south and be obvious about it. They will take the hint. In about 10 seconds the bra wil be up and her bottom will be down. Hold you dollar down south, They should flash bush. If they allow touching you are in like Flynn. If not, then move to another girl. Very little has to be spoken. Now particularly if they are Dominican, you should be able to get a phone number from them. They may even offer it to you, if you spend some grope bucks

This can vary from day to day. So if one day does not work, try another. Have had three girls offer me phone numbers. Two were Dominican, one was Brazilian.

But sometimes the girls are just not up for the game. That is not a reflection on you. Women are moody, often in groups. One dancer in a sour mood can get the rest of the girls to act ugly.

Timing is everything.

DeeUncola
08-17-03, 00:32
First a copy of Wooly's citation of Reprobate218 on 8-13-03- BUT NOTICE THE WAY IT IS EDITED Pay Attention.


Originally posted by Wooly


Originally posted by Rebrobate218

Wooly,

I will offer a truce: Lets all stop with the personal attacks. I don't like DeeUncola. Notice how Wooly quoted it!

Now on to the follow up by Wooly


Originally posted by Wooly

Thanks Rebro,

I too have lots of problems with Deuncouth....HOWEVER, a more complete tendering of Repro's original quote is


Originally posted by Reprobate218 on 8-13-08

...I don't like DeeUncola nor do I dislike him. Never met the guy, but he does put out some great posts... Now, that adds a whole new meaning to Repro's original quote. Don't you all think? The disaster of quoting out of context is clearly shown here. For the original quote is quite opposed to Wooly's edited version. Instead of being hostile, Reprobate was neutral.

One will find that when one quotes, it is better to quote in context than out of context, lest the reader check the original source and deem the quoter to be dishonest.

For ex: I recently posted a quote by John Y. Doe where I did not edit out that he was in disagreement with me - though technically I could have left that part out with ellipsis [...]. Rather I left the statement of disagrement in and merely showed that John Y. Doe is polite and friendly to my posts. My point was made without a violation of contextual honesty.

You might want to check Strunk's ELEMENTS OF STYLE, there Wooly; the section on quotations. You are intelligent and it should be a quick and easy read for you. This problem will not occur again, I trust.

A polite suggestion.

DeeUncola
08-18-03, 16:00
Originally posted by intothemuck
let it go boys..........just let it go. Since you are a senior member whom I respect, intothemuck, I will take your advice, up to a point.

It is 4:00PM by my computer on Monday, Aug 18th and this particular post will probably be delayed one or two days. If Wooly, and Buffalo Bill do not insult - implied or directly - me after the real-time posting of this on the board, the matter will be dropped. I have to make an allowance for time delays due to delayed postings for Regular Members. So there will probably be a day or two lag time. Maybe three. One-two days for my delay. One-two for Wooly's.

If they do insult me in the meantime but dating before the real-time public posting of this on the WSG board [making an allowance for one or two day time lags to account for cross messages], the matter will be dropped. I wlll walk away as you suggest, in that case...

Sound acceptable to you, intothemuck?

I respect your posts.

This would be so much easier, were I a Senior Member.

DeeUncola
08-19-03, 12:04
Originally posted by Rebrobate218
Finally Caberet is still a money pit. The dancers were some of the biggest gals I've seen in a long time. The minute you walk in you are assaulted by them for a buck. Did not see anything going on in the bar. May FS can be had in the place but I did not see it. Believe me when I say that if there is ever a Powder Puff Pro Football Legue....this club can supply some quality linebackers.
Since your post reflects a Saturday of travels, I am assuming that you are describing Saturday action at Cabaret. If so, it is indeed a money pit. I had stated this before in a much earlier post which I do not care to quote. Saturday is bad at Cabaret. You are just one of many to confirm this. Others have too; and better than me.

But I was there on an off-night weeknight, recently - This August. It is not so much a money pit on weeknights. Try a Tuesday evening, let's say. It should be better. When I was there on an off-night there was one outstanding dancer - she avoided me - probably a good reflection on her. There was one decent dancer. And one passable dancer who was going to every guy dropping her pants and encouraging groping. She did offer FS in a cubby corner. I backed out of the deal when I noticed she was not washing her hands after performing hand pulls. The cubby hole - actually the end of the aisle - is at the left side of the bar where the aisle ends halfway up the side.

Further Tricks: One an off night, there are usually more than one or two seats empty. This lets you get up and walk away, if you see a girl coming up that you do not want to tip. You may have to move a bit, but so what. When you do sit down with the girl you want, they will circle but this is typical. You can confine the circling routine solely to the action-with-the-girl-you-want time.

The crew on this off-night at Cabaret were from 4-7s. predominating in the 4s. Chubbies, yes: But I think only one fat girl. Some skinnies. A few good looking Black Dominicanas, but I am not partial to black dancers - not racism, just not my type.

On Saturday, Cabaret approaches Guy's La Vie en Rose for money evaporation with one major exception.

URSULA! There is no URSULA! That chubby Russian bartender at Guy's La Vie en Rose who insists that you buy her - not the dancers - drinks every 5 minutes.

On this off-night, when I was at Cabaret the scene was far more sedate. Less hustle. The bartenders were nasty and still pushed drinks; but nothing like URSULA!

Looks of the girls 4-7

Sleaze 6+ open hand pulls, with a promise of FS, but I bacled out.

Cost - Not too bad.

This should not be taken for a weekend recommendation when Cabaret does indeed become a money pit. Avoid it on Saturday.

One good thing: Spanish is spoken - NOT PORTUGUESE- and since many here at WSG speak Spanish and few speak Portuguese - Hablo un pocito el español! - this should make for better discussions with the non-English speakers.

DeeUncola
08-19-03, 12:07
Originally posted by dirtmonger
Dear Deeuncola, BB and others, Cut the shit, the board is for getting useful info about the different areas mongers go, not for this petty Bull shit.

One had to to go through countless post's to read something that happended to Jburb.

I value my time and don't need to read the BS bickering.

Dear Jackson, you say you review the post's, then when Deeuncola and others waste your's other's as well as mine, then don't bother posting, this way they'll stop and go back to reporting.

Sorry guy's, just had to vent, I'm sick of seeing new post's only to read this bull shit. No need to apologize. An honest opinion, honestly delivered.

DeeUncola
08-19-03, 12:30
I have not been there recently, my last time was March or April 2003, if I remember correctly; but how is Guy's La Vie en Rose, now?

Is URSULA still terrorizing the place with her insatiable demand that you buy her drinks?

I ask becausel Guy's La Vie en Rose has the potential of being an open-air Mickey Dee's. Seriously! Were it not for URSULA, it would be the best bar in Paterson. Have had HJs and BJs there. But URSULA always intrudes.

Before I go back, I want to know if she is till there. Any nights she is off? And on the nights she is off, is the replacement worse or better?

The girls are better than the ones at MIckey Dee's in looks. This bar would have great potential if only URSULA would not circle.

Wassup, fellows?! Anyone been there recently?!

Looks 4-8

Sleaze Definite 8 (BJs) -- Have seen what looked like FS with a towel over their laps. Maybe a 9.

Cost Astronomical, chiefly due to URSULA who not only demands money for herself but actually directs the other dancers to circle when you start in on anything.

I have had some success tipping a Russian girl to find me a Brazilian who puts out.

But URSULA destroys that bar. It has such promise.

DeeUncola
08-19-03, 12:58
Some dancer gave me this phone number at a bar. I will not mention which bar or the circumstance. It was a while back.

She a is white Dominican named Patricia. Ask if Patricia is there and then ask if she dances.

(201) 993 9227 [I do hope I remembered that correctly. I am almost sure I did indeed.] I may try it later myself. From a pay phone of course.

It worked at one point - I did call her, but at a bad time; but these gals change #s all the time. She does outside work. She has friends.

Let me know if it is still working. Post your results, either way.

NO, I AM NOT HER PIMP! I DO NOT PIMP! I AM TOO COWARDLY FOR THAT! I just got hold of the number in an odd way. Just spreading some info which may be out-of-date or may still be good. On the chance it is still good, I am posting it.

I wanted to give this info privately to JBurb but Jackson says he won't pass messages, which is okay. It is his board. Anyhow, I tried it a while back and she did answer. Quoted some prices.

It's not that I don't want to, I just don't have the TIME!

Jackson

Did not consummate the deal, pun intended. It was a bad time for her at that moment.

Your mileage may vary.

Mine usually sucks.

Post the results either way.

I got to be crazy to post this. Am I gonna get hammered if she got a new # and she ditched the old one.

DeeUncola
08-20-03, 23:44
Originally posted by Luv DeSlutz
Dee,

Did you consider calling the # yourself before posting it here ? Fair Question: Yes I did call her, as my original post declared.


Originally posted by me, Deeuncola
pm 8-19-03

It worked at one point - I did call her, She raised her prices and asked for a time change, so I never called her back. But it did work. I thought about calling her again; but before I called her again, and generated some bad blood, "Why didn't you call back?" I figured I would let one of the gents here get a shot at her.

If I did not make that clear enough I am sorry.

But I thought I also made it clear, that just cause the # worked for me, there is no guarantee the # has NOT been ditched. They do ditch cell phones regularly.

DeeUncola
08-20-03, 23:51
Originally posted by J Burb


As for Mickey Dee's, any day now. Perhaps even by the weekend. Problem is I often roll into Paterson too late and assume they close at 2am like everthing else in Jersey. Don't they?

J Burb Mickey Dee's has odd hours. On Saturday's it can be open until 11PM but if business is slow, it will close down at 9PM. It does not stay open until 2AM.

Your best time is early evening.

Hope this helps.

DeeUncola
08-21-03, 00:28
Originally posted by Rebrobate218
Dee,

You have no idea as to how good you have it living in NJ. My buddy and I did the dirt in Vic's and we did the dirt in Mickey Dee's. I did not spend enough time in Caberet to do a good evaluation on the place. The dancer where big to say the least. I spent my time talking to a Brizilian who had to be 45 at the least. I did not have a good time in the bar but this was just a recon for me. At both Vic's and Moonlight there was evidence of some kind of crackdown by the powers that be. I found girls at the Moonlight who were willing to go out after the bar closed, and some that stated they were hot to make money. At the Moonlight I did have a good time, although not the good times of old. I would like to know what is going on in NNJ, and how to benefit from it?

Excellent post!

Paterson is basically ground zero for NNJ. North of Paterson is Bergen County which is all but dead by comparison.

Newark holds some promise. SOME! After Dark Go-Go which is on a side street off of McCarter Highway (Rt 21) has some action. But the dancers are older now and it is more policed. A lot of Russians. Have NOT been there in a year plus but that seems to be the case going from MY memory and from what others post.

Pubway may be back up! It was a hoot. Much like a wild Marcet. However, it closed last year. They posted a sign that it would be back up. Drove by a few times last July 2002. It was not up.

George and I holds promise. Some Hand action is possible. But Russians dampen the mood. Good Point: They usually lay out a good food spread for free. 2002 visit.

Around 2003 I started confining myself to Paterson, with an odd visit somewhere else, now and then.

It could be worse.

If you want more Newark info, the only one I know who seems to have lots of it is Buffalo Bill. But he seems reticent to post it. Ask him.

Be aware however, that you [unless I read you wrongly] and I both like cheap and sleazy, with beauty being a secondary consideration [as long as they ain't bugly]. Apparently, from his posts, Buffalo Bill does not arrange his priorities that way,

IntotheMuck knows Newark and I think OneEye. I know it but I specialize in Paterson. Newark, however, is merely a 15 minute ride down Rt 20 S - which turns into Route 21 South - which becomes McCarter Highway. So it is literally a hop, skip and jump away.

Where do you live Reprobate? I believe it is New England but correct me if I am wrong.

In its heydey, Newark was a zoo. Gary's was infamous. Who remembers Brothers across the Broad Street and back a bit from the Lincoln Motel?

DeeUncola
08-22-03, 18:22
J Burb.

Wow! A truly great standard!

She wanted $100.00 out of house which is why I never called her back after the first call.

Where do you get these LD FS women.

It has been my experience that you have
to hit at least $50.00 in extras


Still others out there my love the gal.

DeeUncola
08-25-03, 13:03
Originally posted by J Burb
MICKEYS DEES:

Alright guys,

I finally made it there last night (Friday) and had a pigishly fun time....did manage to grope almost every girls pussy, ass, and tits in the place, as well as nurse a drink all for under 20 dollars. These were'nt quicky little feels either, each girl came around the bar and sat with me at some point....but I had the most fun with this vuluptious early 40's girl from Newark with long blond hair.

...
I sucked her tits and fingered her while she gave me open hand pulls (out of pants) at the bar and kissed my neck. She offered to suck it but I declined and never got a back room price quote.... Also reguardless of it being a low class establishment, I must compliment its cleanliness...

I've been on Belmonte both during the day and late evining as well as early morning, so have witnessed many aspects of it. My observation is that it is a tatered, but probably mostly working class neighborhood, and not necissarily and unsafe area to be in most of the time.

In conclusion, although I know it's not the best area and proceeded with caution, I was never too worried while parked at Mickey Dee's and experienced no problems in or out of the bar.... I never got that creepy carjack feeling while cruizing there.

J Burb

Excellent!

Some notes!

Yes, it is unusually clean for such a joint. The toilets actually work and no vomit on the flow.

The 40 year old - I assume bleached - blonde from Newark. Was she a chunky one named Susannah? If she is someone different I may have to go back there soon. I was there a month ago. Was she latina, or Brazilian. If she was Suzannah, she is Brazilian, chunky but in more of a zaftig way and she is in late 40s.

Did you see the French girl?

BTW, you were lucky! Most nights, 2 or 3 are very old or fat.

Fantastic report.

DeeUncola
08-25-03, 13:54
Originally posted by Damian
I'm new to the area of Paterson. I was wondering about the action at Marcet. It seems a little small for any on site action. I was also curious about the adjacents clubs at the other end of Market St such as Baby Dolls. I haven't walked inside yet but will be visiting soon. How the on site action.

Thanks for any help. THE MARCET

Sleaze 6 Hand pulls in pants.

Looks 4-8

Cost - Medium, if you avoid bar

If you start groping they will realize you aren't a cop. Bush and breast groping, with some, NOT ALL, girls can be had, and it can be fun. Hand pulls, in your pants, can sometimes be had. Once you establish yourself as NOT A COP, the Dominicanas should give you phone #'s for outside work. You can ask. A good spanish phrase.

PHRASE
Mi español no es muy bueno. ¿Puedo tener su numero telefono para obtener sus favores afuera?

Meaning
My spanish is not good. ¿Can I have your telephone number to obtain your outside favors?

PRONUNCIATION
Me es-pa-nyol no ess mueee bwayn-o. Pwayd-o ten-air su num-er-o tel-ay-phone-o para ob-ten-air sue's favor-ess a-fwair-a.

Inhouse action will NOT go beyond hand pulls in your pants. The trick is to get in the corner next to men's room and stage. The bar area is too heavily watched. This corner is almost always taken. So you will have to wait for the guy to leave. Once there the girls feel safer to allow some action. Basically the stage area.

BABY DOLL'S
Have not been there in a long time. Unless I missed something, it was terrible.

MOONLIGHT

Sleaze 6 Hand pulls in pants.

Looks 2-7

Cost - Medium

Has seen better days.

GUY'S LA VIE EN ROSE

Sleaze 9 discrete FS at bar.

Looks 4-8

Cost - Expensive, URSULA ruins everything

Has the potential of being a brothel at the bar, if you do not mind squirting or boffing in front of everybody. But URSULA the Russian bartender from hell destroys everything by sucking tips from you and demanding bar drinks be purchased for her. It is a money pit unless you know how to minimize URSULA.

CABARET
On Weekends, a money pit worse than GUY'S LA VIE EN ROSE. On an off-day, weeknights, it can be wild if you know how to work it. And not too expensive but medium.

Sleaze 6 Hand pulls in pants.

Looks 4-8

Cost On Weekends atrocious.

Off-days - Medium, if you work it right.

Some girls will encourage bush groping. These you ask:

PHRASE
Mi español no es muy bueno. ¿Quiere culearme, señorita, para cincuenta dólares at la esquina al lado de la barra?

Meaning
My spanish is not good. Do you want to f**k me, lady, for fifty dollars at the corner next to the bar.

PRONUNCIATION
Figure it out yourself. Spanish pronunciation is not that hard. I just realized transliteration into English makes it look harder than it is.

DeeUncola
08-26-03, 13:02
Originally posted by stealthmode
I'm in a slump, LOL.What is the Dover scene?

Are they on 46? West or East? Where?

What street? And is there a bar next to their strolls, where one could meet them in less threatening circumstances?

Are they White? Latina? Black? Hindu? Arab? Oriental? Japanese? Melanesian? Capoid? Polyponesian? Maori? Zinjantropus? Australopithecus? or Canadian?
We want answers?

Looks, and costs? Give us a bone(r).

"And thank you for your support." - Frank Bartles

DeeUncola
08-27-03, 18:52
In the past while cruising in my wheezing Riviera, I have noticed a few gals near Teddies Hot Dog joint. What is the deal there? Is Teddies a pick up joint? I have gone in there and gotten a good meal but never more than food. The burgers are greasy though.

But girls have been spotted nearby. And once outside.

DeeUncola
08-28-03, 13:26
Originally posted by J Burb
..... Pardon my ignorance Stealth, but what is a PSEG?

J Burb Public Service Electric & Gas. The Utility Company in North Jersey equivalent to Orange & Rockland in Rockland County. They were bogus Utility company vehicles apparently.

DeeUncola
09-02-03, 15:42
Originally posted by HamBone
Are there any sit-down type adult movie theatres in the area? (As opposed to video booths). The only ones I know of are the LITTLE THEATER in NEWARK on Broad St and one across the street from the Lincoln Motel in Newark.

DeeUncola
09-14-03, 00:36
To OneEye:

F**king hilarious. Had that happen to me once many years ago! Crack has a terrible smell; like somebody's burning a tar bucket in your car.

You got hand pulls at Cabaret. Didja see anyone get anything more?

I was offered Full service there once on a weeknight evening by a 40ish Dominican lady who said we could do it in the corner end on the left side of the bar - where the aisle just ends abruptly. But when I saw her NOT wash between hand pulls, I decided I did not want third-hand schwantz salsa on my banana.

What did she look like?

Looks 1-10 Use decimal places if necessary. Such as 1.4

Rates: BJ? FS?

Black? White? Latina? Asian? Canadian?

Expecting your good answers.

Still laughing! I am glad you made it back alive.

DeeUncola
09-15-03, 02:00
To Deeuncola:

I meant what were the looks of the streetwalker on a scale of 1-10. Was the Crack lady a White, Latina, Black, Canadian, what?

Give Cabaret a try on a WeekNIGHT, NOT weekEND. Try Mon-Thu. You will find the girls work harder since the crowd is less. Most are indeed Spanish, not Brazilian; and yes, when I was there, 10 to 20 lbs surplus was average weight.

I agree it is a dollar trap on the weekENDS. But the WeekNIGHTS can be easier and more may be offered.

My own experiences as Cabaret.

Looks 3-8s with emphasis on 3s.

Ages Mostly early 40s.

Sleaze - (6) Handpulls but was once offered FS. Watch first. See if they wash between pulls. If not flee.

Cost - Horrendous on WeekENDS but okay on WeekNIGHTS.

Girls - Mostly Spanish NOT Brazilian.

This more or less agrees with you except for the FS offer I once had been given on a weekNIGHT. My experience then at that time may have been a fluke.

Again, please, the crack lady?! Was she white? Sounds like my kind of gal.

DeeUncola
09-15-03, 12:09
To J. Burb:

You are quickly becoming the best poster here.

DeeUncola
09-15-03, 17:21
To OneEye:

Thanks! Ouch! I am not fond of black women. Not out of bigotry; they just do not do it for me.

Try the Cabaret again, on a Monday to Thursday. Your expenses may go down, and their services may increase considerably. Basic supply and demand. On Weeknights, it is a Buyer's market. On a Weekend, it is a Seller's market.

You have to learn a trick at the Cabaret. If I am sitting alone and a girl I do not care for comes over, I immediately get up from the chair as she approaches to let her know that I do NOT want to tip her. This will cool off the dollar racket.

As always: Caveat Emptor.

Again! Thanks OneEye!

DeeUncola
09-18-03, 11:31
BE AFRAID

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/6792797.htm

L.A. Bans Lapdancing in Strip Bars.

It has come to this!

Let's stop the insanity before it reaches New Jersey.

I am going to post my condolences over in the California - Los Angeles section.

DeeUncola
09-29-03, 19:27
Yep! Typical Mickey Dee's.

What were the quality of the girls that evening? Usually low but sometimes a gem or two will be there.

Mickey Dee's can be hit or miss on quality.

For an extra $10 you could have had FS.

But $40 is standard BJ rate at Mickey Dee's.

DeeUncola
10-03-03, 08:38
originally by J Burb 10-02-03

Anybody know what the street action in Paterson is like during the winter months? Are there significantly less SW's out in the cold or do most just bundle up and keep hookin?

Thanks: J BurbMakes it easier to spot them. You see a girl waking Market on a cold wintery night; chances are.....

Going from memory, the good places to get them are around the gas station next to the McDonald's on Market St. Heavily police patrolled last year. Upper Market Street near 21st Ave.

Good points: Saw some young white blondes among them. One almost surely was not a cop.

Bad points: Saw people pulled over.

I scout the areas but I have never picked them up here. So I can only tell you I see them, I cannot give prices.

However, I did a forum search, and it seems Aye-Spy made note of the blonde in this areas as Regina. Though he had picked her up on Broadway.


originally by Aye-Spy on 12-17-02

I haven't been back since then. I think the white gal you're talking about is Regina. I fucked her a few times and I really enjoyed it because she was new and very clean, no needle marks (I inspect everywhere in the back of the car) and she was keen to do anal as well for a total o f$50. I do miss her! I picked her up on Broadway...near the gas station.I was talking about the 21st Ave and Market areas where I saw the blonde. I had asked if the cops can harass you just for cruising and looking. Aye-Spy addressed the question and gave the possible name and price of the blonde.

Near Lower Market Street near the Moonlight, Cabaret, and Guy's; one of the black car watchers can usually fix you up with a street gal, if you give them a finder's tip. A buck or two.

Outside of Mickey Dee's a stroller can sometimes be found.

A very good place to look is on River Street between Fifth and Sixth Avenue. There is a late night deli there. Hookers frequent the deli. There is no mistaking them. Have been in the Dominican Bar when they walked in and were tossed out. Basically the deli is down the street from the Tropicana Go Go and around the corner from the Fifth Avenue Go Go. Drive by the deli; they do hang out. One blonde had the heroine starvation look and was definitely NOT a cop.

Van Houten and Broadway are easy loactions for hookers but they are one step from death by the time they arrive here. They are hooking to pay for their AIDS and tuberculosis meds. Heavily patrolled and if you are lucky the cops will find you before the girls do.

Hope this helps. Of course you could save yourself gas and go to Mickey Dee's. Pay the extra twenty. But as I understand you, aiming for the lowest cost is a point of pride with you. An admirable quality.

DeeUncola
10-05-03, 21:53
Orignally by Aye-Spy on 10-05-03

Hey DeeUncola,

I haven't seen Regina for ages! I guess she's moved on. Thanks for jogging my memory. For a SW, Regina was a gem. Very naive and eager to please. I regret for not taking her up on the greek offer. Both my regular fishing grounds (Paterson and Washington Heights) have been very very dry of late.Washington Heights! What little I know of the place, the hookers are near the Port Authority Bus Terminal. Is this still true? I am going back to a memory of a 2001 visit.

PS: Though this started on the Paterson thread, I am taking the liberty of copying it to the Manhattan thread to see if some info springs up there also.

DeeUncola
10-07-03, 01:52
Have not been out in a over month - poverty! But The Paterson North Jersey Thread is dying so I figured I would take a stab at revigorating it by a recapitulation of the all the strip clubs I have been to recently. Hopefully, some newbies fleeting in will be prompted to post.


Almost all of the Paterson and Bergen County info will be from this Summer - 2003 though a few will be dated. The Newark info is dated but it is included mainly to provoke updates from others.

I will, in the meantime, be saving up for my next reconnoiter which I hope will be soon.

This is a long post. I tried to include a wealth of first hand info. So it will be long. I hope Jackson lets it all go through. Especially since it might get lurkers to sign on and post.

For those who do not know the Offical Sleaze-O-Factor® Scale, see the end of the post. I have posted it before, but sometimes, it has to be re-posted to keep everyone familiar. Some like the scale, others hate it. But enough like the scale to make it worth re-posting from time to time, especially since this post is aimed at lurkers and newbies.

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Club: After Dark Go Go

43-57 Passaic St
Back Street behind Rt 21/McCarter Hwy
Newark, NJ

Looks: 3-7s lower end predominating. Older women.

Sleaze: 6-. Hand pulls. Bush and Breast gropes. Grinding to cum.

Costs: Not too bad. You can concentrate on one girl at a time usually. Drinks are outrageous. $3 entrance fee.

Further Notes: What a drop from the glory days. Women are older now and are predatory Russians. Gone are the nubile girls of yesteryear who allowed much more. This report of MINE is dated but what I have seen of other reports, it has gotten worse.

Ethnicity: Mostly Russian and Brazilian.

Parking Monitored Customer Parking Lot.

Last Date Visited: 2002

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Club: Baby Dolls

102 Market St.
Paterson, NJ


Looks: 2-7s. Middling.

Sleaze: 2+. Amazingly virtuous for the Market Street Trio.

Costs: Horrendous for what little you get.

Further Notes: THIS BABY DOLL INFO IS MINE but dated. Others I have read agree though and they are newer. AVOID THIS PLACE until newer, more promising info is posted.

Ethnicity: Latina and Brazilian and Russian.

Parking Horrendous, like the other Market Street Trio bars.

Last Date Visited: 2001

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Club: Cabaret

50 Cianci Street
Paterson, NJ
Next to the Market Street Trio.

Looks: 3-7s, mostly lower numbers

Sleaze: 6 Hand pulls common. Once offered FS at a side wall corner. So sleaze is 6, possibly more.

Costs: Weekends, it is a vulture hanging dollar pit. Girls descend en masse. Weeknights, it can be a buyer's market.

Ethnicity: Almost always Latina. Have seen an older Russian.

Further Notes: Almost totally Spanish girls. Few Brazilians.

Parking Difficult. Will be hassled by street watchers. Most are nice; throw them a buck.

Last Date Visited: August - 2003

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Club: Doctor's Cave

245 Grand Ave.
Paterson, NJ


Looks: 3-6s

Sleaze: 5-. Bush and Breast gropes possible. Maybe more in lapdance area. Did not go in Lapdance area, so cannot verify.

Costs: Not too bad.

Further Notes: Plumpness is common among younger girls.

Ethnicity: Mixed. Spanish, Brazilian, and Russian.

Parking Not to bad.

Last Date Visited: July 2003

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Club: Fifth Avenue

810 Fifth Avenue
Paterson, NJ [Around the corner from Tropicana]

Looks: 2-8 usually middling.

Sleaze: No Lapdances. But Handpulls if you're discrete.

Costs: Astronomical! All the girls circle in as soon as you are seated and doing something.

Further Notes: Free food is a nice touch.

Ethnicity: Mostly Brazilian and Russian.

Parking Easy. Across the street.

Last Date Visited: 2002

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Club: George and I

631 Ferry Street
Newark, NJ

Looks: 3-7s Middling

Sleaze: 4-. This is MY experience. Have heard rumors of HJs. Cannot vouch for that.

Costs: Not to bad. You can avoid the bar to avoid the hustle.

Further Notes: Had a history of much sleaze; but when I was there in 2001 a few times it was quite cooled off. Nice touch was the free party platter of snacks. Recent posts on other boards speak of increased sleaze. I cannot vouch for that but as I said, this info is dated for George & I .

Ethnicity: Mostly Russian and Brazilian.

Parking Difficult.

Last Date Visited: 2001.

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Club: Guy's Le Vie en Rose
108 Market Street
Paterson, NJ


Looks: 3-8 usually 5s.

Sleaze: 8 - 9 Have had a BJ there and a HJ. I have seen what looked like FS under a bar towel.

Costs: Horrendous! Mainly due to Ursula, a Russian bar tender who tries to get more tips than the dancers.

Ethnicity: Mixed. Primarly Brazilian and Russian.

Further Notes: So many: Where to begin. Pay particular attention to the vomit soaked bathroom floor. This can make a trip to the urinal the equivalent of a ski ride. The pool table is nice and can be used as a dodge to avoid to tipping hustle. With the dancers, test them by groping and ask what they will do. DO NOT agree to a lap dance unless services are promised.

The Special Category of Ursula: Tip Ursula early and then insist that she leave you alone. Do NOT encourage her. Buy her one drink when you walk in. No matter how often she nags you after that, do NOT buy her a drink again until your member is out of your pants and she asks, "What is going on, here?" Then you say, "Nothing, would you like me to buy you a second drink." This is how you bribe Ursula to let you get serviced. She is a merciless nag. You have to pay her off, but keep it at a minimum.

Parking Horrendous. This is one of the Market Street Trio. Parking is hard to get. Park on a side street. Bums will ask to watch your car for a dollar. Most are good natured. Throw them a buck. Some I like and have offered to bring me to after hours clubs with girls.

Last Date Visited: April 2003

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Club: Hi Beams

182 Getty Ave
Paterson, NJ

Looks: 4-10s. Usually higher end. Have seen glorious girls here. One white girl, Jennifer, 24, with a Dave Letterman tooth gap, was a genuine 10. [And very friendly and reasonable]

Sleaze: 5-. Though was once offered FS in Lapdance area for a small amount by girl who backed off when she realized the monitors were paying more attention than usual. At another time was given outside rates of $200 by a green eyed Puerto Rican blonde named Princess. She is a 9+ in looks.

Costs: Reasonable. $20 for LD. However, whether extras are offered depends on the girl and whether they are being watched. Lapdance area is open, so it depends whether the monitor will turn his head.

Further Notes: If you are cheap, you can get ground to satifaction while you buy them a drink at the bar. They will probably get mad, and your pants will be wet but you can get off cheaply. SATURDAY NIGHT IS A WALL TO WALL ZOO - so packed that I once left for fear the second floor would collapse.

Ethnicity: Whites, blacks, Latinas, Russians.

Parking Semi-easy EXCEPT on Saturday Night.

Last Date Visited: August 2003.

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Club: Marcet Cafe

1011 Market St.
Paterson, NJ

Looks: 3-8s. Usually middling. Can vary day to day.

Sleaze: 5+/6-. Had a girl start to hand pull me. Best place is by men's room, near stage. Boss cannot see. Can grope at your will.

Costs: Middling. A bit of a money pit. But if you use your discretion, you can keep it moderate.

Further Notes: Girls, often Domincan, will offer outside services. Sometimes you have to ask. Have gotten working phone numbers here.

Ethnicity: Latina, Brazilian and Russian. Never saw a white American girl. Mostly Spanish clientele.

Parking Side street. Pay the guy who watches? your car. He's a nice ol' bro.

Last Date Visited: August 2003

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Club: Mickey Dee's

110 Belmont St.
Paterson, NJ

Looks: 2-8 usually near 2s.

Sleaze: 9 Have gotten FS there. This place is wild.

Costs: Cheap. Drinks reasonable. Gropes for a buck. Not too much circling. You can hang by the tables to avoid vultures. Usual costs $20 for room charge. $40 more for BJ $50 more for FS. Less for Brazilian older women. More for French girl. More for the occasional American girl.


Further Notes: While wife of owner is there, nothing happens. When she leaves, the fun begins. Usually around 6 PM. If you walk in early, hang by the tables and you can avoid the tipping as you wait. Before she leaves, nothing is allowed. After she leaves, flashing and groping and more is available. Probably the sleaziest bar in North Jersey. Area is NOT as bad as it looks, though it looks awful.

Ethnicity: Mixed, mostly Brazilian.

Parking Easy. A customer parking lot is provided.

Last Date Visited: Summer 2003

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Club: Moonlight

100 Market St.
Paterson, NJ

Looks: 2-7s, usually lower numbers. Older women predominate.

Sleaze: 5+/6-. Though have heard more is available, I cannot vouch for it. I have always left before 1 AM when supposedly the girls get desperate for extra money.

Costs: Can be a money pit. But not necessarily so. Use discretion.

Further Notes: Of particular note is the men's room sink which empties onto the floor. Truly a Market Street must-see sight.

Ethnicity: Spanish, Russian, Latina.

Parking Hard! Part of the Market Street Trio. Park wherever you can nearby. Give the Panhandlers a buck.

Last Date Visited: Sometime this year. I think early 2003.

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Club: Pleasure Lounge

Philips Avenue.
So Hackensack, NJ
[Not the same section as Twins Plus]

Looks: Roughly 4-8s

Sleaze: 3-. Barely a bush flash, though in the distant past I had gotten bush and breast gropes (5-).

Costs: Cheap. NOT a money pit.

Further Notes: Great Food. Order the Chili. A ***** house of cheapo hotel is outside. Little Strolling though. Heavily policed.

Ethnicity: American and Brazilian and Latina.

Parking Easy. Customer Lot.

Last Date Visited: July 2003

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Club: Tropicana Go Go

581 River St
Paterson, NJ
[Around the corner from Fifth Avenue ]


Looks: 3-8s. Usually towards middle.

Sleaze: 4-. Though a Lapdance room is available and a girl once offered a lot to me if I took a LD with her. Was not interested. She was not my type. I suspect much is available but cannot vouch.

Costs: Money Pit. Vultures circle.

Further Notes: Bartenders are cool. Hookers are often found outside on River Street, down by the deli. I LIKE THIS BAR. I cannot tell you why. Others are sleazier but I detect a potential here.

Ethnicity: Russian, Latina and Brazilian.

Parking Customer Parking Lot.

Last Date Visited: August 2003.

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Club: Twins Plus

2 South Main St.
South Hackensack, NJ
[Not the same section as Pleasure Lounge]


Looks: 3-7s usually middling.

Sleaze: 5. Some girls allow bush and breast gropes.

Costs: Reasonable. Not a money pit.

Further Notes: Much a local bar. Girls know the regulars and there is a sort of "family" atmosphere to the sleaze.

Ethnicity: White, Latina, and Russian.

Parking Easy

Last Date Visited: Summer - 2003

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Club: Vic's Go Go

395 Stuyvesant Ave
Irvington, NJ


Looks: 3-8s

Sleaze: 9s. Anything goes. FS if you are discrete.

Costs: Cheap. Way low.

Further Notes: This is in Irvington. The hood. The stroll from your car to the bar will be a test of courage. But if you got the balls, the girls got the ways to make them happy. The dudes outside the bar, whether dealing drugs, or whatever, will probably leave you alone.

Ethnicity: Blacks mostly. Latinas. Saw one old Russian.

Parking Hard. Will have to park a block away in a hood you do not want to be in.

Last Date Visited: July 2002.

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Reposted for newbies to learn.

THE OFFICIAL SLEAZE-O-FACTOR® SCALE

1 - Clothes on, all the time.

2 - breast flashes

3 - breast touching.

4 - breast touching, bush flashes.

5 - breast and bush touching

6 - hand pulls (in your pants)

7 - hand jobs (with member proudly displayed)

8 - blow jobs

9 - Full service

10 - All of the above with girls walking by and giving complimentary hand pulls for no more than a buck.

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DeeUncola
10-13-03, 14:18
I made a recent visit to TWINS this weekend. Here is my update - I used the old report with the update addenda posted in red

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Club: TWINS PLUS

2 South Main St.
South Hackensack, NJ
[Not the same section as Pleasure Lounge]

Looks: 3-7s usually middling. Two girls were in their 40s and looks were 3s. One was in her 60s. One was a gorgeous 24 year old hazel eyed Brazilian named Claudia. Glorious face. About an 8-.

Sleaze: 5. Some girls allow bush and breast gropes. Was told by worker there that it was hit recently and so they clamped down. Still merits a 5. They are just less in your face about it.

Costs: Reasonable. Not a money pit. Still cheap.

Further Notes: Much a local bar. Girls know the regulars and there is a sort of "family" atmosphere to the sleaze.

Ethnicity: White, Latina, and Russian. All Brazilian this time.

Parking: Easy

Last Date Visited: October - 2003

The girls did mention THE NATIONAL in Pateron. Never heard of it. What is it like? Use scales, if possible.

I inserted a gif map of the bar. Some of the Internet maps are in error. This is a good map.

DeeUncola
10-13-03, 23:23
Originally posted by Buffalo Bill on 10-13-03

You know fu*king well that I'm not going to use idiot scales !

But since no one else on this board knows or even cares about this place I'll tell you about where it is.

One way street heading from Main to Getty Aves., on right about mid block. Perhaps four blocks from Madison Ave. toward Clifton.

Beleive it opens at 9 P.M. Ckeck it out for yourself then you can post another hundred useless reports.

Please don't use RED; it hurts the eyes .

Could you be any more vague?

Fortunately, I was able to track down the possible/probable Street using Mapquest.

DeeUncola
10-14-03, 23:15
originally by Little Dick

Yo! Deeun

Get rid of the red crap!

Delete that message!

Why bother wasting all that space reviewing Pleasure Lounge?

The place SUCKS!

End of review.A) Okay, since you object to the red - and if others do not tell me they like it - I will cease with the red. I only intended it for ease of read.

B) I listed the Pleasure Lounge to show its lack of sleaze. A quasi-warning. Still, it is not without its redeeming value: The food is very good.

One of two, sound fair?!

DeeUncola
10-14-03, 23:32
Oeiginally by John Y. Doe on 10-13-03

Here are some of my question and comments regarding your Paterson update. First of all, how safe is the Marcet bar after dark for an average size (unprejuciced) white guy? I have avoided the bar after dark because of the Alabama housing projects that are just across Market from the bar? Also, how safe is a parked car near the bar, after dark? (I often wonder why I am afraid of the Marcet after dark, yet not afraid of Mickey D's at any hoiur.)I have been at Marcet many times at night. It is amazingly safe for what it looks like. Your parking should be safe. Park near to Market Street and you are okay. The area is well lit. The immediate area around the Marcet is mainly lower class houses, not the projects itself. If you are still spooked, check outside the door once in a while to look at your car. You can usually park it within eyeshot. I often do this.

Whites are welcomed. But the language of the bar is primarily Spanish/Potuguese. You will be welcomed but conversation will be limited with the girls unless you know some Spanish or Portuguese. Some know English. Do NOT count on it. But you will NOT be harrassed. If you know even a little Spanish, you will be treated well.

I once saw a Hasidic Jew in there in the late evening, so it is definitely white friendly.

DeeUncola
10-14-03, 23:47
Originally by John Y. Doe.

I agree with your comment, advising inexperienced mongers to avoid searching around Walgreen's (it's around Ellison & 18th.) It is a well run store & is HEAVILY PATROLLED by the local P.D. It is patrolled both inside the store, and outside in the parking lot. My guess is would be a high risk to try to get a SW near the store. When I try, it's not until they are at least a couple of blocks up Madison form the Walgreen's lot.If you see nothing you are only two blocks form the Van Houton stroll. Though that is heavily policed. And then there is the Rainbow Hotel on B'way. The area is scary.

DeeUncola
10-15-03, 00:16
Originally by Wooly

B Bill's directions to National are perfectly clear to those of us who do our mongering in person rather than by computer. No need for a map.I have a vague idea where it is. I am familiar with Getty and it scares me more than Mickey Dees. Once saw a massive street brawl start outside Hi Beams on a Saturday after Midnight. The cops intervened. But St. Joe's Hospital is only a few blocks away on Main St., so if one is stabbed, one will proabably be rushed to the Emergency Room real fast. The Getty Street area behind St. Joes does not strike me as safe. I did notice the cops circled a lot . It is heavily patrolled.

Hi Beams is an exception only in that it is possible to park across the street and make a mad dash to the car after you are done. But seeing that street brawl spooked me.

I was hoping for an exact street address from a poster here. The Getty area is not a place I want to case at night. which I will have to do since I am less familiar with that area of Getty St. nearer Clifton - and unless a poster gives me a street address.

You and I obviously disagree on Mickey Dees. where the only major threat is the women.

If one is really desperate one can take Main St. into Passaic.

DeeUncola
10-18-03, 21:33
Originally by Damian

Hey,

I was just wondering where I can get some good girls for a bachelor party in Newark. Prefer latin or Brazilian girls who don't mind doing the extra things. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Step 1:

Go to the Marcet, 1011 Market Street, Paterson.

Step 2:

Go to the back near the stage, men' room. Grope enough to establish that you are NOT a cop. Get friendly with girls. One or two of the Latinas should give you her number. If not, ask. They will often be eager for outside work.

Step 3:

Enjoy!

Or you could hold the bacherlor party at Mickey Dee's but the girls there can be NOT appealing. They will do anything, however.

DeeUncola
10-24-03, 15:45
Originally by J Burb on 10-23-03

Opinions don’t get you laid, facts do. If I wasn’t clear enough, all I’m really asking in this case are the facts that lead to his opinion, not an elaboration of the opinion itself. The primary facts that would interest me are:

1) Prices (cover, drinks, activities)
2) Quality & quanity of women
3) Sleaze / Extra’s (or lack of it)

This all I need to determine if a bar is worth entering, I can form my own opinion beyond that.The info you seek I posted on 10-13-03 and 10-06-03.

It lists Cost [Prices], Quality [Looks], and Sleaze [Extras] Factor. It also mentions Ethnicity. Further Notes, Last Date Visted, and Parking.

Some here have liked the Scales. Others here have refused to use them. But I think they give valuable information in as objective a format as possible. I have been out of the chase for a month now. I hope to be back soon BUT most of these bars are stable for a few months or so at a time. The Twins report is only about 2 weeks old. Hi Beams and a Mickey Dees and Doctor's Cave are from August. I cannot give you info about any recent raids, if they occurred, alas.

All I can say is: Avoid Guy's La Vie en Rose if only to avoid Ursula, the predatory bartender.

Check the ratings again, if you did not see them the first time. 10-13-03 and 10-06-03.

I suspect some here will whine, "I hate those scales," or "I do not like the red" - like some woman on the rag. But whining is their portion and that is how they define themselves - by their ability to whine.

DeeUncola
11-16-03, 03:40
Originally by Cowboy Fan on 11-12-03

I've also seen this young blonde, her name is Etna. She strolls broadway from the labor office up to Mc dees in the afternoon.


The old Rainbow Motel circuit. I presume you already know this; but on the outside chance you do not, if you can't find them on Broadway, move in one block to Van Houten. While I am partial to strip clubs in Paterson, I do notice the strollers. Be careful!

DeeUncola
11-17-03, 15:09
Originally by Cowboy Fan on 11-16-03

I wish I had a piece of shit car, because you could run into the rainbow, park and girls will call you to the rooms. A little risky, but you could get a quickie. Have seen a real petite black girl working out of the rainbow. She goes by linda.I am partial to white women and latinas. Can white women or latinas be found in the Rainbow Hotel? Is it safe for a white guy like me n the Rainbow Hotel? Have seen lotsa homeboys outside. The Rainbow, unlike Mickey Dee's is really Paterson's Hood Central.

DeeUncola
11-18-03, 19:05
Originally by Wharf Rat on 11-18-03

Dee,

Think twice about stopping there, Id wouldnt stop there with a tank.

RatHave to agree, there! Mickey Dees never scared me, though it scared many here. But the Rainbow Hotel is positively scary.

I was asking on the outside chance someone had gone inside and come out unscathed.

The whole area crawls with hookers, but it is heavily policed. Never tried it, but there is a Mc Donald's nearby, Maybe the girls stroll in for fun, who knows.

The older archives here - I think the collected ones back to the 90s - note the areas is really vice squad central.

DeeUncola
11-19-03, 15:29
Orignally by Little Dick on 11-18-03

If the Rainbow is the place on Broadway, that I knew as the Thunderbird, I wouldn't go there without a division of tanks (your welcome).There is this bar across Broadway and up the street from the Rainbow Hotel. Is that what you mean by the Thunderbird? Scary! Homeboys always outside.

I always thought Thunderbird was the preferred ripple of Paterson. Or was that Night Train?

DeeUncola
11-20-03, 17:09
I regularly drive around B'way. But from my experience, there is almost always a cop car within one to three blocks of the Rainbow Hotel and well within sight.

And I have seen suspicious cars - maybe unmarked vehicles - on Van Houten, a block in. Now, obviously, the trade is still going on, so they do not bust everybody. If the sweep were total, the girls would have moved somewhere else. But, I suppose the logic is to preferentially arrest the out-of-towners. New York license plates would probably make one a real target. And cops can scan the origin of all license plates through their computers, and single out the ones from Hudson and Essex counties. Paterson is in Passaic County.

I only wanted to see if any brave suburban white men had braved the Rainbow Hotel and lived to tell the tale. This is NOT Vic's or Mickey Dee's but a whole 'nother level of hood.

Going into B'way Rainbow Hotel section of Paterson reminds me of a Joseph Conrad novel. Sort of like Lord Jim. The horror! The horror!

Another spot which might have potential - at least from what I have seen when I cruise down to the Lower Market Street Clubs - is

Checkers
283 Market Street,
Paterson, NJ 07501

Checkers is a fast food joint, not a club. But I have seen strollers go in there for a bite. Of course, since I prefer clubs, I can only go by what I see.

If I can get my browser to work right, I will attach a map of the area surrounding Checkers. It is always well lit. So that may be a comfort. Heavily policed though.


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If you got real cahones and patience I once saw a white stroller a block from Mickey Dee's on Belmont.

There is mixed opinion here on the safety of Mickey Dee's. Some are terrified of it, others are not. But the key is this: It is only a few blocks from West Paterson, an exclusive upper middle class neighborhood, so it never reaches the level of decay that the Rainbow Hotel circuit does. A considerable number of the customers in Mickey Dee's are older white guys. This should be a clue.

I have seen hookers on Belmont in the early evening twilight. Most are late stage black crack users. But I did see a white one once. Early stage.

But, if you got real balls, and a member which is impervious to viral assault, there is, quite often, one of those late stage crack ladies hanging outside Mickey Dee's, and drinking Thunderbird with the homeboys, if you prefer adventure to safety. But believe me, you will be safer if you go for the girls inside.

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if this is not enough to scare you, I have seen girls on Fair and Hamilton Streets. Parallel, north of Broadway. But they were truly late stage crack women. I suspect bargaining low would be appropos here, if you do not mind a drug induced psychotic woman wrapping herself around your member. But an Alexander Hamilton may go a long way here. Make sure your condom is titanium reinforced. And burn your clothes when you get home.

There is a reason I prefer clubs. I am a coward.

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If you want the safest and cleanest of the club/street options, but not the cheapest, try the Market Cafe.

Go in around 7:30/8PM when the shifts change so you have twice the pick. Stay by the men's room. The girls will usually expose themselves. Proper tipping will identify yourself as not a cop. You should be able to get working phone numbers off the girls, who will often be available for outside service. On two occasions I got working numbers.

You will pay, though. When I called one girl she upped her price from the $70 she had agreed to at the bar; and now she wanted $100 for service the next day, I decided not to call her back in the morning for the final arrangements. I was afraid, if I showed up, the price would be upped again. Not cheap, but very safe and easy.

When I got the phone number off of the variable price girl, one of her friends wanted to offer herself to me. So you may have competition. Next time I will take down two numbers, and let the market competition determine the cost. Just make sure you do NOT come across as a cop.

However, the Market Cafe is variable in the looks of girls. If they do not appeal to you, try it a day or two later. Usually, if one shift is not where you are at, then the next shift will be, which is why I recommend going in around the shift change.

Truly spectacular girls can be found at Hi-Beams. Princess, a blonde green eyed Puerto Rican, I kid you not, is a 9+. But she wants $200 for outside work. Ouch! At 21, she may be worth it, but my wallet is light. Jennifer, a brunette 10 is wonderfully friendly.

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If white girls are your preferences, and if money is an object, then check out Newburgh in the Other Areas section of New York. It is quite a drive. But you will get young white women cheap. According to recent reports - I have not been there in months - there has been a crack down though.

Check the map for the location of Checkers

DeeUncola
11-20-03, 17:35
Originally by Cowboy Fan on 11-16-03

I'm new to the board, but not new to Paterson. About the only thing that has changed is you don't see sw's on Madison anymore around broadway. they used to hang out there all the time from the old bank (laundramat) to the new drug store.
Concur there! Though I have read where others praise the Madison stroll, particularly near the run down Diner, on Madison and Park, I have never seen a stroller there.

That may be seasonal though, and a function of time. I usually hit it in the early evening, not in the morning. Your mileage may vary. But I have seen nothing ever at that Diner.

Go a few blocks further in and you'll hit the B'way. You then turn left onto B'way and you are on the Rainbow Hotel circuit.

DeeUncola
11-20-03, 22:07
Originally by 11-19-03 on 11-19-03

Live a little, try some street nookie dude! You know what to do. (wouldnt blame you if you didnt though)
Is this the same J Burb who on Aug 17th posted one of the funniest and scariest I-had-a-pyscho-crack-hooker-in-my-car accounts concerning a Paterson trick gone awry, scaring me half to death, while I laughed my ass off? Has the nature of SWs changed? I go to clubs to protect myself. If the woman flips I can always call out to the bar area for help. What can you do in a car, without getting noticed and arrested or beaten up by a woman supercharged on meth?

Your advice is the best, J Burb; but street nookie is particularly fearsome in Paterson; and I am a coward.

DeeUncola
11-22-03, 11:36
Originally by J Burb on 11-21-03

I’m sure you can at least identify with the lesser thrill of window shopping for prospects even if you’ll never pick them up. To each his own though, we all find our sexual gratification in one way or another. If you ever get a surge of bravery let me know, maybe I can help.

J Burb
J Burb

Paterson is NOT a town I'd want to display bravery in. Once in a while I truck up to Newburgh, NY where the risk strikes me as lesser. But Paterson is truly scary. The idea of being arrested in Pateron is truly fearsome. And I readily brave Mickey D's, a place others shy from. I can understand the thrill of the chase; but I prefer to chase inside, not outside. In Paterson, I do bars.

When I do street scenes, my usual routine is to look for the strolls and then find a nearby local non-strip bar where I can meet the girls out of car. Paterson is a place where the local non-strip bars are often too scary to enter. I stick to the strip bars, which are safer as they attract a white middle class crowd.

Newark is better in this aspect. Chez My Friend on South and Pacific is visited by gals who come in for a brew. It is local and safe with a nice view of the stroll from the front window.

Wooly speaks of better women in Newark. "If reasonably attractive street girls are your objective, Newark must be your choice. "

I have cruised Newark once in a while. Frelinghuysen, Washington Ave, and out near Sherman and also South Ave in the Ironbound. I do NOT notice a perceptible quality of woman improvement. These have both inner city women. Mostly black.

Though I have noticed that whites and Latinas are more common in the Iron Bound strolls near South and Pacific.

But to compare is legitimate. And even though I disagree with Wooly's assessment - I rate Newark as comparable to Paterson, not an improvement - to be even classed in the same category is scary. Think about it:

To be even classed in the same league - let alone beneath - Newark should scare one off from a street score.

Rockland and Orange country are not as formidable. I have walked into the Camelot Inn in Spring Valley looking for women to come out in the car. There was none that night.

Maybe I am assuming a difference that does not exist.

You are familar with Newburgh, New York. There I could be persuaded. But Paterson street scores scare me. I stick to the bars for FS, HJs, and BJs. A bit more expensive but safer. I will pay the extra cash not to have a psycho-babe in my car. Better to have her wreck a lapdance room than my dashboard.

As always, your reports are the best, J Burb. And, I regularly check the Rockland section to see what you write. But Rockland is an altogether different area.

However, if you want to meet cheap barfly non-whorish but merely easy women try IRELAND'S 32 in Suffern. You won't find ****** but you will find lonely women who may be pliable after a few ales.

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Finally, if someone else thinks my reports are fictional, such an person is delusional and populates this board merely to spill out billious invective, which is always easier to post than fact. I have given more than enough info to prove the first hand quality of my reports.

Only people who regularly visit Paterson would know about the Checkers The one in downtown and on West Broadway, near the Belmont turn off, where you drive by a curved road with a curved-wall building, as you turn off on Belmont.

DeeUncola
11-23-03, 18:35
Orignally by LuvDeSlutz on 11-21-02

Madison around Park is one of the better locations. I know, I pick up there. I wouldn't touch most of the disease carriers around Broadway and Market Street is almost as bad.
You always provide exactly the same stale, semi-accurate info. If you like clubs you should try Marcet on the rt 80 end of Market St. But other reliable posters have already told us about that.

How about giving us a report on National since you begged for the location.



Was in Paterson, today, Sunday, around 3:30PM. Admittedly, not the best of times. A lot of Bars are closed on Sundays. Hi-Beams is open on Sundays, but no girls. Marcet Cafe is closed. Doc's Cave is open but only after 4PM.

I did not go scouting for the NATIONAL, because the reportage about it is not promising and purportedly it is open only at night..

However, a vague address for the Alex Playground Go GO was given on an earlier post and the report was promising.

So I scouted it out and found it.

The full address is Gray Street and 21st Avenue. The building is on the corner painted Goofy Grape Purple. I got out to check to see if it might be open, though Evil Spock said it was open only from Tue-Saturday. It was indeed closed. But Gray steet was an open garbage pan. Broken glass lined a considerable portion of the sidewalk. This is far more worrisome than some pretend frights at Mickey D's. I may check it out Tuesday afternoon.

Then tooled around Paterson between 3:30 PM and 4 PM, just before twilight. My old blue Riviera got a work out.

Went up to Madison. Saw no hookers at Crown Fried Chicken lot, turned left onto Park. May have been hookers there, but I sped by at that point up to the corner and turned right to East 18th and headed up past the Walgreens parking lot - no hookers - and turned left onto Van Houten. Again, no hookers. But, I kid you not, there was a black guy in a wide brimmed hat, in a Cadillac cruising in front of me.

Two rights and I was back on Broadway again. Then past the Rainbow Hotel, the Colonel's, and I turned right back onto Madison. Then turned left and went back down Market and saw one black hooker around 4PM, on 35th and Market Street in some faux fur. Anothr possible hooker in a faux fur was also seen near C town. I would dismiss her but she had blonde hair and was standing by a phone looking at traffic.

A late Sunday afternoon is not primo time, grant you. But I was able to get the exact address of Alex Playground Go GO and it holds promise, even if Gray Street is a pit.

Perhaps Evil Spock can tell us if it is a daytime club.

PS: Marcet is great for groping and arranging outside dates. But for inside hoo ha, you have to go to Mickey D's I have been there often enough to know this. Best groping is by stage near men's room, where there are no chairs but a wall outcropping you can sit on.

See below for map to Alex Playground Go GO.

DeeUncola
11-24-03, 01:48
To OneEye:

We agree so much because our goal is to have fun, not be vicious.

This Alex Playground Go Go promises to be a good bar from what I see on the exterior. Purple Goofy Grape is a rather promising exterior color for a club. I only wish it had been open today. I do hope it is a day club, and not only given to night time openings only.

I would be afraid to try it at night. The glass strewn side street is ill boding and bespeak of a place where one's car should not be parked, not at all like the relatively safe pastures of Mickey D's parking lot.

To be fair, Gray Street was NOT so bad on the other side of 21st Avenue where it is more residential. But next to the club, it is not pretty.

DeeUncola
11-24-03, 02:51
Originally by J Burb on 11-23-03


I find casting the widest possable net by trying several different times and locations has worked best for me, but must also say too much crusing around isnt always recommended. Keep the information flowing though guys, its all good!

J BurbIf you are willing to cast a large net, try Newark. While I tend to stick to clubs, I do notice strollers. If you are willing to go off of Newark's usual beaten paths, try the Ironbound of Newark.

On South and Pacific, June 2003, I saw some nice strollers in the Ironbound. Unlike the rest of Newark, white gals are quite common. The Ironbound is a Portuguese section of Newark. I have noticed this for years.

You can shoot down on Rt 20/21 South from Paterson and be in Newark in around 10 minutes. From there keep going south on Rt 21 [which is called McCarter Hwy] in Newark, and you will soon find South Ave. Turn left, under the train station and go in a few blocks.

This is an industrial area.

Go to

Chez My Friend
188 Pacific Street,
Newark, NJ 07105
(973) 344-2426

A neighborhood bar/restaurant.

Hookers often abound on the streets near there and sometimes stroll in - only to be chased out.

Also a ride over to the Goble Street area may also be fruitful.

Basically scout the area between South Street and the Conrail tracks to the South.

If prowling Newark in a car is not your cup of tea, then park and walk into that Chez My Friend bar at the corner of Pacific and South St. It is a bar/restaurant with a bay window which lets you sit still at the bar and scan the streets in complete safety. First time I was there a few years ago, I was amazed. Some girls actually walked in. And you could watch the nightlife outside.

This activity has been going on for a while:

See this post this in the older archives Jan 9th 2002. Then, I used the name HumDinger.

http://www.wsgforum.com/discus/messages/5/231.html?1018529163

is the link to the archived post.

When Jackson changed format in Spring 2002, I changed my name to Deeuncola.

My Jun 2, 2003 post, a year and one-half later, shows the activity to still be going on.

http://www.wsgforum.com/discus/messages/5/231.html?1018529163

With that post, in the new format, I was using Deeuncola.

Consistently observed over a period of time. Better looking than the girls in Frelinghuysen area. This should be useful to you. The girls, if you prefer whites or latinas, will be more to your liking. They should be cheaper than many hookers elsewhere.

Note: I did mention a Euro-Spanish street hooker, who walked into CHEZ MY FRIEND. On another INFERIOR board a poster noted that she had gotten in trouble for knifing a customer. Be careful. Being knifed in a car is not nice. Though this girl was a looker.

Let me know if this info helps you and what comes of it.

Also, you will find that OneEye is excellent and reliable. One of the best posters here.

Actually, though Wooly and I do NOT get along, Wooly is reliable when he is not attacking me or OneEye.

OneEye and myself are different people, though we agree on a lot. Wooly is wrong to assert we are the same.

Enclosed find a map of how to get to Chez My Friend.

Good Restaurant.
Great window to scan the local activity while at the bar.
Great area to cruise.
Good looking girls.

I post this Newark info in Paterson since the question first arose in Paterson board. Further followups should be in Newark board.

DeeUncola
11-24-03, 02:58
OneEye,

Fantastic Report. Excellent. I wish you knew that ladies name. You probably hit her on a horny day and she wanted to come herself. I would have bargained with her for a partial refund for further servicing.

As for the Psychic Panhandlers, by all means throw them a buck. They will keep the street ladies away from your car, when they are reasonably sober enough to shoo them away.

In their veins flows the mighty Yoruba mojo of Africa.

Think of it as cheap car insurance. They are friendly enough.

DeeUncola
11-24-03, 20:10
Ooops the Map to the Newark Ironbound hunting grounds did not go thru the first time.

Here, I will try to send it now.

Chez My Friend is only the center of the search radius, though often hookers can be found within eyesight of the bar.

Let's see if it goes through now.

DeeUncola
11-26-03, 04:39
Nov 25 Reports

Club: Alex's Playground Go-Go
Gray St and 21st Avenue
Paterson, NJ
Opens at 9PM

Looks: Dancers were about 3s. Chunky

Sleaze: 3 - Got a nipple grope. Did not try for more.

Costs: Cheap! One hour - 4$ Drinks are cheap. You can avoid the tip push, easy.

Further Notes: As Evil Spock noted, local women come in. But they seem to be available only to locals. I cannot be sure which girl is a hooker and which girl is just a local easy mark. However, one girl, about 20s, was cracked out and smoking pot with the boys by the pool table. She was not go go dancing. I assume she was a hooker. Looks 6.

To be fair to Evil Spock, this may change as they get to trust you. Clearly some women are local talent. But figuring out who is a dancer, who is a hooker, and who is a girlfriend of the bouncer is hard, and they do nothing to clue you in. Even the Dancers wear regular clothes right up to the moment they dance, to add to the confusion.

Two levels, one is about three steps higher than the other. A pool table is available.

Unless more info turns up, I will not go back.

Ethnicity: Hispanic and Brazilian.

Parking Mediocre. I found a spot.

Last Date Visited: Nov 25th, 2003

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Club:Tropicana
581 River St
Paterson, New Jersey, USA
Opens at 8PM

Looks: 4-7s

Sleaze: I did not even try this time. It was demoralizing. The crew was just awful tonite.

Costs: $4 for O'Doul's and I was soon out of there.

Further Notes: This once had promise. Now, it is gone. The access to the Dominican Bar is often closed off now. The Bar girls in the Dominican Bar section are no longer there.

One Bright point: I showed up early at 6:30. They usually open at 8PM. I figured take a chance. In the parking lot was a young Latina hooker. She ran up to my car. Her hacking tubercular wheeze disuaded me from doing anything. Hookers do abound outside on River Street side.

Ethnicity: Brazilian, Hispanic, mostly.

Parking Easy

Last Date Visited: Nov 25th, 2003


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Tried Palace in Passaic. When I walked in, it reminded me a bit like Vic's. Only less sleaze. But I was the ONLY white guy in the bar, unlike Vic's. So I left.

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Contrary to other reports George and I in Newark is still repressed in sleaze. Avoid it. From a recent November visit.

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So far, I can report nothing but disappointments. But this may help you avoid them.

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SWs abound on Paterson's River Street next to the Tropicana but this is a bad hood. Parking lot is safe but do NOT stray outside of it.

Cops were all over P-town. Saw lots of cars with neon violet inner lights.

Did see one hooker on Madison near Walgreens in the evening.

DeeUncola
11-26-03, 04:45
To Civ2000

I have no binary camera, alas.

The purpose of the maps was to ease the reader in finding locations. Some here post vague addresses. I wanted to rectify the situation with easy maps. The idea is not for you to see my poon catches but to direct you to where you can catch your own poon.

As for my 10,000 word reports....I will try to maintain the same level of excellence that I always have.

Thanks for your encouragement.

DeeUncola
11-26-03, 18:43
Originally by Luv DeSlutz on 11-24-03

I would like to get back to the subject of HOOKERS. Specifically to the report of sightings at 'Checkers' at Market and Straight Sts. Has anyone seen anything ? If so, what day and time of day? If not, why was this posted?I saw what appeared to be action on a late night. Again, this is not the equivalent of a Van Houten or a Market Street. But I did see what appeared to be working gals strolling in. It was in the late Summer. Around 10 PM.

Remember, the girls do have to eat real food once in a while. This is not a bad principal. The McDonalds on 21st Ave and Market Street is frequented by the strollers and is a good place to watch the night life from.

J Burb on 11-19-03 also noted that and agreed with my report that the working girls frequent McDonalds on Broadway up from the Rainbow Hotel.

So why is it hard to believe that once in a while some girl would waltz into Checkers and that I might see it.

My exact quote from 11-20-03 was "Another spot which might have potential - at least from what I have seen when I cruise down to the Lower Market Street Clubs" which is sort of a muted recommendation.

I never said it was Van Houten. It said it might have potential since I have seen what looked like strollers walk in. The map posted also showed Fair and Hamilton streets, which I also recommended, and where if I remember correctly, there are very low level girls. I remember they were in an industrial area next to a Stone Wall Railroad Pass. Real ouchers! So if you do not want to try out Checkers, try Fair and Hamilton.

The best food place where girls congregate, where on any given night I have never failed to see one or two - and a white or latina will almost always be found - is on River Street just down a bit from the Tropicana Go Go. There is a deli. They seem to hang out just outside the deli or near it. Last night a tuberculotic young Latina was out there. She approached me. Her cough scared me.

So chill, Luv. If you do not want to try Checkers then try River Street. And if you succeed, post it. Those who check me out find out that I am reliable. No one is perfect but I try.

River Street last night seemed to be watched heavily. Some Utility Vehicle, I could not figure out if it was cable or plumbing, was parked out there all night. And a black guy was stationed in a monster truck in the parking lot the whole time I was in Tropicana. Was he a driver for the dancer service? a dealer parked outside? or a vice cop? I do not know. He pretended to be asleep but woke up and started his car as soon as I came out to leave. Not subtle.

The presence of a Utility truck on River street, parked near the deli was odd.

So be careful. The Tropicana Go Go has two exits. One to the parking lot; one to River Street. The River Street exit was locked last night to keep the girls from walking into the bar from River Street. So be careful.

One of the bouncers at the Go Go is an off duty cop. He seems to be cool and a nice guy. He does check for ID if you look like a minor.

The bar girls are gone for good at the Dominican half of the Bar. At one time, the bars were easily opened to each other. You could walk from the Go Go half to the bar half. Now the partition is often locked and they are treated as two different bars THOUGH the Dominican half still has a small UNUSED dancer stage.

My recommendation: Park in the parking lot. At some point step out and walk to the deli down on River Street. Better than 50% you will find a hooker either on the street or in the deli FROM MY EXPERIENCE.

YMMV.

This is a bad hood, so be careful.

Check it out. If you succeed then post it.

The Go Go itself has tamed down to demoralizing nothingness. But the ongoing foozball games are fun to watch. It was much better two years ago when they had the couch out in the open and bar girls were in the Dominican bar.

DeeUncola
11-27-03, 05:05
Club: Moonlight Lounge.
100 Market Street
Paterson, NJ

Special Into: I arrived late when the girls become desperate and the early birds have left to free up car parking space. So this is not typical of the scene earlier in the evening.

Looks: Dancers were about 3-7s. Chunky but some were actually good looking. A very good Puertoriquena with a tattoo near her belly button.

Sleaze: 6 All over gropings and hand pulls.

Costs: Cheap! When you come that late you can bury yourself in the crowd. Pick up a used beer and claim it as your own to avoid the bartenders. It is also easy to avoid women you want to avoid.

Further Notes: After 1 AM, it is a Zoo. Hand pulls could be had. But I left since the none of the girls who would have been available for more appealled to me. If you are willing to settle for low, I bet you can take one or two home.

Ethnicity: Hispanic and Brazilian, some Russian.

Parking: Since I came late, I found a spot. Did tip the psychic panhandlers.

Last Date Visited: Nov 26th, 2003

As I left, one of the Psychic Panhandlers, a nice white guy, whom I always tip, pointed out a street walker. She was white, tall, about 30s, and had black hair. Before I could get to her, she jumped in a car. I always tip this guy. In fact as I left I could not find him and circled to find him. He gives me street info and actually knows and remembers me. Well worth the three dollar investment and a really nice guy.

DeeUncola
11-29-03, 17:12
Was in Elizabeth the other day, Thankgiving Wednesday (the day before).

I normally do not go to Elizabeth but I did find the Flora Motel. Adjacent to the Flora Motel is a Bar/Restaurant with a huge parking lot. Where Flora Street meets Division Street. Do the girls hang out there? I entered the bar/restaurant just as the joint was closing - probably early for the holiday, though I was told the kitchen always closes by 9PM. Can this be a good meeting place or is this a clean family restaurant like it looks?

Finally, there is a seedy corner bar about one block before the Flora Motel with large anti-drug signs out front. Flora and Henry. With signs like THOSE CAUGHT DRINKING OUTSIDE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED INSIDE. Is this bar safe for a white guy? Do girls hang out inside?

The bar/restaurant looks okay but the corner bar looks scary.

There were no strollers on Thanksgiving Wednesday outside on Flora around 11 PM so I shot back to Paterson.

IntotheMuck
11-30-03, 18:55
Dee, The Flora Motel is really a hit or miss type of thing so I'm not so sure it is worth the effort. If you go up to Route 1 from Flora Street and make a right, you will usually see action a short distance going up the highway. I see them by the Royal Motel (I think that's the name) and a short distance after that.

And don't go into that seedy bar, you will be asking for trouble.

DeeUncola
12-05-03, 22:12
by Cowboy Fan on 11-30-03

I went shopping yesturday and was walking down the soda aisle.

When i past 7up, all I though of was those longwinded reports by deeuncola about absolutley nothing.

I bought sprite instead.I give A) address B) Looks of girls C) sleaze factor D) costs E) parking ease F) ethnicity of girls and 6) further notes such as nearby strollers, whereby the reader can assess how much sleaze can be got and for how much; thereby attuning his search to what he seeks. For example: I did get FS at Mickey D's for $50 plus $20 lapdance/dressing room charge. Similar service be had at Guy's La Vie en Rose except that instead of a room charge, there is an Ursula the greedy bartender charge. Outside strollers can often be found outside the Market Street Trio to finish what was started if the inside work was left undone.

You, on the other hand tell us your preference for soda pop.

You are a wonderful addition to this board. Others have used my advice to wonderful report. You instead repair to a reprise of soft drink favorites. Just like other whiners here. And the bleat goes on.

DeeUncola
12-05-03, 22:33
by Luv DeSlutz on 11-27-03


Perhaps someone should tell him know that the aim of this board is to find Women and GET LAID.Again, a whiner.

Easy Lays.

Mickey D's
110 Belmont Ave.
Paterson NJ.

$20 room charge. A combination Lapdance/dressing room charge. Plus whatever is negotiated with the girl. Brazilians go cheap. $50 is typical for FS. $40 for BJ. Less is ugly; more if pretty. $5 will often get you in without a condom, if you are that stupid. If HJs are all you want a few drinks and some tips at the bar will get it pulled for you. Go in, buy a drink and grope a girl. Once you have established you are not a cop; the fun will begin. Wait till after 6 when the owner's wife leaves.

Guy's La Vie en Rose
108 Market Street
Paterson.

Negotiate with the girl and pay Ursula roughly two payments of $5 to look the other way. She calls it buying her a drink. This can be expensive though. It is a money pit. Be prepared to be a spectacle. When your took comes out, there will be an audience to applaud.

After Dark Go-Go
behind McCarter Hwy
Newark, NJ

You can usually get one of the Russians to go out with you BUT IT WILL COST! Unlike Brazilians, Russian charge heavily for their blue eyes and fair hair, dahlink. Last time I asked, it was $200 they wanted to go to a hotel. You could do better with Princess at HiBeams who charges the same but is 30 years younger and much prettier. She is 21.

So there you are; get laid, stop whining, and stop lying about me. My info is good. It has been verified by others.

And stop aligning yourself with a whiner such as Wooly Bill.

Read OneEye, a more reliable poster.

Or if you really have the guts try Vic's in Irvington. Bad neighborhood. Much worse than Mickey D's. FS at bar.

DeeUncola
12-05-03, 23:57
by Luv De Slutz on 11-21-03

How many years has it been since you've been in Paterson?

Why don't you post about all the streetwalkers going in and out of the bars on Paterson St between Market St and Broadway? (this area cleaned up in the 70's but I have seen hundreds of em out there).Went to check out Paterson Street on Sunday, November 30, and found a lack of Streetwalkers: to my disappointment. It was around 6PM. True, most girls work later; but I have seen hookers in the early afternoon light on other streets in Paterson. And with the "hundreds" promised by you, I expected sweet pickins. Alas. None were out at that time.

To be fair: In the past, I have seen some on Fair and Hamilton which are cross streets = in the past year there. But not this Sunday, Nov 30th. Well, maybe one! But truly, I was not totally sure. Maybe it was a hooker, maybe a local. The bars were hard to locate, too. But then, being Sunday, they may have been closed. But you did so promise those "hundreds," so you can imagine my disappointment. But then last Sunday at 6PM is a more recent visit than the 1970s and I assume things have changed. To be fair to you.

Paterson Street, to those who have never been there, is an offshoot of Memorial Drive and is one way so it is tricky to get into.

Take Van Houten or Broadway to Memorial Drive. turn right and bear right as the road forks.

Oddly! enough, there is no Paterson Street between Broadway and Market Streets. Wow! Things really have changed since the '70s.

For a map of the Paterson Street area, see the PatersonSt.gif at the bottom of the post.

You will take note that Paterson street is one way. A further note, if you take Paterson to River Street, you can take River Street down to the Tropicana Go-Go where outside there are usually hookers. Not "hundreds," mind you; but usually one or two; and almost always in better condition than the ones I have seen on Fair and Hamilton in the past.

Now, it is possible that Luv DeSlutz meant Memorial Drive between Market and B'way. But since the whiners here tear me to shreds on minor typos, I figure it is only fair to give them a taste of their own medicine.

Actually the whole area - not just Paterson street - can, at times, have girls. But "hundreds?!" I think not. Try Fair, Hamilton and Straight streets. Around the railroad area. These are the end of the road girls, even by Paterson standards.

Sorry, if my reportage is not as florid as the whiners. I am sure during the Carter administration they were the cat's meow!

DeeUncola
12-06-03, 20:42
by Wooly on 12-06-03

He's at it again ! !!!.
How can someone with absolutely nothing of value ever reported have the nerve to attack those members who provide useful information?
I beleive that we useful mongers should petition Jackson to have this flamer banned.
Let's have a pole right here.

SHOULD DEEUNCOLA BE BANNED ?I am sick and tired of you insulting me, Wooly.

Luv DeSlutz, who regularly insults me, provided erroneous info. I corrected it, providing a map. Yet, you accuse me of starting it?!

Luv DeSlutz said the aim was to get laid. So, I told him three bars where he would easily get laid, either in the bar or easily find take out. Yet, you accuse me of starting it.

Cowboy Fan just outright insulted me concerning the 7up soft drink. Yet, you accuse me of starting it.

I do not seek your approval, Wooly. I would be worried if I got it. But I am easy to get along with. Do not attack me - or call for my banning - and I will ignore you, with pleasure.

Thankfully, the decision is Jackson's not yours nor your alter egos, Wooly.

PS: Have you apologized yet to OneEye for the false accusation you made about him in your 11-23-03 post in this group where you accused him of being me? You should apologize to me, too; but I am not so delusional as to expect that.

PPS: I look with satisfaction that at the time of this posting there are 59 people who have downloaded that map of Paterson Street. That means 59 people now know I am telling the truth. My info is useful and backed up by objective sources. You can't argue with a good map. But then again, you regularly do argue with facts, Wooly!

DeeUncola
12-06-03, 20:50
Thanks IntoTheMuck.

Are there any Hotels with public bars in Rt 1-9. Usually a good way to meet the ladies.

DeeUncola
12-06-03, 20:59
There is a Royal Motel. And it is nearby Flora Street. Never went in, though, nor seen a girl outside. But that may be my timing. I do trust you. I am rarely down there at 2 AM. More often 11 PM and that three hours may be critical. On Thanksgiving Wednesday, Nov 26, 2003 I was there until around Midnight. Maybe had I stayed until 2AM the action would have started.

There is one motel, a two story bungalow actually, on 1-9 on the Tonnelle Ave/Union/Jersey City strip which advertizes a bar - around the McDonald's area on the northbound side Has a huge parking lot. But when you go inside, they say the bar is closed. However, when I did do that, a young girl in her twenties came out. She was clearly a worker but her pimp was with her so I did not bother to pursue it. He looked nasty. Happened last year.

Maybe I should go back there.

About 8 years ago on Paterson Plank Road above the Hotels there was a bar called Healy's where the girls would stroll in to wet their whistles. Healy's closed around 1996. Have the girls moved elsewhere.

DeeUncola
12-07-03, 17:53
by Buffallo Bill on 12-07-30

I’m fed up with his constant attacks. DeeUncola does not conform to any rules of common decency. As someone else has said “He could start a fight in an empty room.” He feels he must attack every post by every poster...
As someone else has said?! You are the one who used the phrase and wrote "could start a fight in an empty room," not someone else. You did it in your 11-22-03 post. You said it! If you are going to exhibit multiple personalities then try and keep track of them.


by Buffallo Bill on 11-22-30

Deeuncola could start a fight in an empty room.

NO! I am fed up with your attacks, Bill. Your whining. Your assaults on OneEye and others and now, what appears to be a mistake of yours which indicates that you are the one who signs in under more than one name. You sign in under more than one name to insult me and then claim you have popular support, when the only support you have is your alter egos.

I do not attack everyone Bill. I happen to get along well with OneEye. I get along well with J Burb and along well with IntoTheMuck. It is you I do not get along well with.

Stop attacking me and I will ignore you. Pass the message on to your alter egos, will you?!

DeeUncola
12-07-03, 18:07
I cannot tell you if Mickey Dee's is open on Sunday. But After Dark Go-Go is open in Newark on Sunday. You can get cooze there but it is take out and it will cost. Russian girls do charge.

Was there last Sunday at After Dark! Contrary to the whiners, I do get out! Maybe not twice a week, but often enough.

$3 cover charge Monitoried Parking. Groping is possible with some. A 5 in sleaze. Girls will negotiate for hotel rates. But they will ask $200, even the older ones. Mostly Russian.

There! Clean, concise, and accurate info from 11-30-03.

Personally I would not recommend After Dark Go-Go but if you are horny and desparate.

The Market Street Trio is open on Sundays from what I remember. HiBeams is open but no girls. Marcet is closed. Doc's Cave is definitely open on Sundays.

DeeUncola
12-07-03, 18:13
Buffalo Bill,

When Cowboy Fan, ran a post making fun of me and the 7up soft drink on 11-29-03, how does that constitute an attack by me?

Rather, it is you and your whining chorus who insult me. I merely correct the errors. Sometimes maps are needed to correct errors.

DeeUncola
12-07-03, 18:15
The nice thing about the Richmond Beergarden is the quasi-parking lot across the street. They often have a platter out for customers on some days. And you are near to some local strolls.

DeeUncola
12-07-03, 18:27
To Luv DeSlutz

Your account of Paterson Street was not clear. Nor were your directions. Paterson Street is NOT between Market and Broadway.

For people who claim I post old data, why did you post 40 year old data?

Look, I am easy to get along with. Do not insult me and I will ignore you.

For those still interested in the general Paterson Street vicinity, I have seen some bottom feeders on Fair and Hamilton (cross streets and go to the other side of the tracks) this year during the summer of 2003. Not much to look at.

Better yet, however is River Street around the Tropicana Go-Go where almost always I have seen a girl and in better condition than the ones I did see on Fair and Hamilton. Last week there was a young Latina outside on River Street about 50 feet from the Tropicana Go-Go. She also strolled into the parking lot.

Last week is rather recent.

DeeUncola
12-07-03, 18:48
by Buffalo Bill on 12-07-03

Dee,

You should find something to occupy your life. The hundreds which I saw on Paterson St. were there thirty or forty years ago, as was clear from my message. Here you go again, Bill, quoting others, and rather badly.

Quotes require quotation marks to set them off. Or use the HTML codes. Or use bolds. That is what they are there for.

Luv DeSlutz's message was not clear and neither was yours. It looked like that was your own words, Bill. Still, I fail to see how you can criticize me and then defend others who post forty year old info - with bad directions to boot.

Whether or not I am banned is Jackson's decision. I am easy to get along with Bill. Do not insult me and I will ignore you.

Jackson has never given me trouble. While he has criticized me for answering flames, I suspect he has not fully appreciated how regularly you assault me with your insults.

If I am so bad, why do I get along with J Burb, One Eye, IntoTheMuck; and why did Reprobate218 have a good word to say about me.

DeeUncola
12-07-03, 18:52
To J Burb:

While Little Dick was insulting me in that post, I am forced the agree a parapalegic falling down stairs is funny. Or that scene in the original Blue Brothers where Belushi and Akroyd are stuck in chairs and tossed down the stairs by Sister Penguin.

DeeUncola
12-08-03, 20:13
To J Burb:

I am not unamenable to reason. I used to use red lettering in my reports. But when someone noted the red could make the posts hard on the eyes, I ceased, except in rare instances. I now use bolds when I want emphasis. I am amenable to reasonable requests.

When describing the address, looks, sleaze, ethnicity, parking and further notes of an establishment; I know of no better way than my tabulatory scale. But while some object to the sleaze scale, others have found it quite useful, particularly in locating where FS can be had. And you, yourself, found the scales condensed the info and were straight to the point. If you can figure a better way of tendering the condensed info, I will try it. But I think my tabulations are not a bad way to do it. Yet some insist I not post them at all; and I think they are wrong to demand that. And the maps I post are for the ease of the monger in finding location and I think they are helpful. You, yourself have posted a map on 10-27. If I had a digital camera I would post poon.

I have not posted old charts in a while; but had already started to refer to older posts by a reference date. When you suggested I continue that reference practice [on your post of 10-27], I decided to follow your suggestion. I now post my Tabulatoin charts for New Reports only - such as my 11-25 and 11-26 reports which were charted because the reports were new and therefore deserving of charts. Reasonable requests are considered. If partly good, they will be modified. If insulting, they will be ignored. My point here is not titty bars per se, but sleaze. Some bars I recommend because FS can be had. Others I decry because titties are all that can be had. Some, like Tempations in Passaic, are so devoid of sleaze, I did not even write reports on them at all, even though I visited Temptations last week. Strip Clubs are a way to get sex without placing your car in danger of seizure. That is why I report on them and why I prefer them. I report on street hooker sightlings as a courtesy. But your 11-30 report of the stenchful SW is another reason to prefer StripClubs. You can examine the goods before you purchase as opposed to your experiences which contain horror as well as humor, fear as well as sex.

Anyways: thanks J Burb.

DeeUncola
12-08-03, 20:43
To Little Dick,

Regarding your 12-06 charge of racism:

I am not a racist. I happen to like Latinas. In fact, I speak some Spanish. Do you?! I go to black bars regularly. However, being white, it is not racist, BUT WISE, to inquire if whites are welcome in such black establishments as found in North Jersey. [For ex: They are welcome at Vic's! At least when I was there.] But the question is valid to ask of any North Jersey bar or area, not bigoted.

It is not racist to notice that Paterson in many areas is blighted. And it is not racist to say I prefer White or Latina women. That is a preferance like skinny women or big bootied women. I also happen to prefer brunettes over blondes. Am I now anti-Scandanavian? Racism is made of sterner stuff than me.

If I misled you to think I am racist - to that extent only - I apologize in that aspect; but you misread me. I am a wimpy white who merely wants to remain alive, not a bigot. I am merely honest in my preferences. I try to take pains to make this clear. I do prefer white or Latina women. Some prefer big bootied women. And this is a regular conversation in strip club webpages. Do I consider those who prefer big bootied Women of Color to be prejudiced against tight flat-assed honky women? Not at all. It is a preference. We are dealing with sex. What turns one on is perculiar to oneself and not subject to Equal Opportunity Regulation. Are we now to condemn those who criticize the older women of some places of being guilty of ageism?

I prefer women; in fact, I insist on women. Am I now homophobic, if I do not go to gay bars 10% of the time?

This is NOT prejudice. This is sex, which is NOT an Equal Employment Opportunity Industry. You are free to prefer whomever you like.

DeeUncola
12-09-03, 14:58
To Little Dick:

What "gangster character" under some "other name" do I use? Please let me know. I would like to know, myself.

DeeUncola
12-09-03, 15:07
To Seva Lurker :

On the Forum Search which is found at:

http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/search.php?s=$session[sessionhash]

We can enter your name and do a search on where you post. We find that you exclusively post in Washington D.C., Southern States, and Ohio boards. How nice of you to show up for the first time in a New Jersey, just to insult me. Keep up the good work. I know you just happened to be lurking here. No one told you to come over. Perish the thought! Wow! this volume is under 100 words.

DeeUncola
12-10-03, 17:07
Thanks J Burb

I meant to say that I had already implemented a considerable amount of your suggestions and will continue to do so in the future.

I am just ticked off. I am being flamed over in SCL and I do NOT even post there. Yet, I am the problem?! I would post a link to prove this, but Jacskon does not want us to link to other competing sites. Much of your suggestions will be implemented, J Burb. There, in just two paragraphs.

Thanks!

DeeUncola
12-11-03, 01:25
By Wooly on 12-10-03 concerning

To Seva Lurker :

I'm afraid your inciteful remarks may have been prematurely buried. Seva was certainly inciteful! He definitely wasn't NOT insightful; which is my point, exactly! Now, who's being wordy?

DeeUncola
12-13-03, 15:38
Excellent post, OneEye!

Clear and to the point!

Accounts should include some details: Like address, LD charges, looks of girls, and level of sleaze, and for how much, etc. in order to qualify as detailed. But, as you and I know, Wooly Bill was never one for details. BTW I had not posted in three days, and still Wooly Bill attacks me using the accusatory moniker of "OneCola." I probably would have ignored it , but he attacked you by implication, also. I know Wooly Bill thinks you and I are the same. We are Not! But I am beginning to wonder if Wooly and Buffalo Bill are the same? Hmmmm?!

Keep up the good work, OneEye!

Your reports are detailed joys to read.

The evidence is in the details. A quality often lacking in Wooly Bill's reports. He will not use scales, and could not be bothered to offer a map. Just bragging!

Merry Christmas to all, even those who despise me!

DeeUncola
12-14-03, 16:24
by Wooly on 12-14-03

Since TwoAssholes

<Lots of wordy viciousness snipped out>

it would cure his nastiness.

And what are you, Wooly? Gracious?! Wow, I answer in just twenty five words. Point made! After all, they'll accuse me of being too wordy.

DeeUncola
12-14-03, 23:45
To Little Dick:

If you are referring to the National Club post directions, Bill gave those directions with this preamble, quite vulgarian, "You know fu*king well that I'm not going to use idiot scales !. See Buffalo Bill's post of 10-13-03. In reply to that post, I only accused him of being vague. Yet, you accuse me of uncivility?! You accuse me of hatred?! Perhaps, you can tell me why Bill's "You know fu*king well that I'm not going to use idiot scales ! constitutes polite discourse. Hmmm?!!

Of course, I will be flamed for pointing this out. Buffalo Bill is allowed to insult others. I am condemned for defending myself.

However, I will not answer any insults for three days. From this time 10:33 PM until Wednesday at that same time. Three days. What do you bet that that my detractors will not be able to refrain from insulting me?

I reserve the right to make regular reports during that time. But I will not answer insults for three days. Whaddya bet the insults will keep coming? The fault is not me guys.

As for ignoring you, Little Dick; it was at your request, that I removed the red from my posts. But, I am difficult!

Anyhow, three days - no replies. Can you match me?!

I am the reasonable one here, whether you believe it or not.
Thanks OneEye! I will PM you with some stuff. AsianLvr, did you get those codes I gave you to work. They should have worked. PM me.

Merry Christmas to all, even those who despise me!

DeeUncola
12-16-03, 02:54
To Asian Lvr

Got your PM. Sent you a new one. I do hope you did not go to After Dark. I do not recommend it. Get back to me.

DeeUncola
12-23-03, 21:21
Ditto for Reprobate218's reply:

Wild Things is NOT wild.

The girls are seven in looks but the sleaze is zilch. The parking is nice though. They did raffle turkeys away on Thanksgiving Wednesday.

Avoid this place! This is not hard to do. It is awful to get to. Winding roads. A wrong turn will land you in Staten Island.

DeeUncola
12-27-03, 19:38
George and I is on 631 Ferry St, right on the corner. However, more than one go go bar in Newark has corner steps. Off-Sides go go has corner steps. It is an architectural style common in Newark.

George and I is an old building. Even has an old fashioned closing door, sit down, phonebooth inside. next to the pool table. Across, on the other side of Ferry street, is a sort of park.

I cannot remember the color of the door, but inside the girls work the bar since the dance floor can only hold one dancer at a time.

And yes, George and I is dead. At least when I was there in November, 2003, last month.

Never been to Casa Paris but most of the bars in the Ironbound are low on sleaze. Off-Sideswas certainly low on sleaze, though the girls were lookers.

While After Dark is digusting, I would hardly recommend it. The sleaze is low. Most of the girls are Russian with a very high opinion of themselves. Grinds will be had but flashing and groping is discouraged, though it can be gotten grudgingly from some. Outtake can be purchased but at highly inflated prices.

I cannot tell you which is the best bar in Newark. Fear has kept me from Alice's Pioneer Pub and Nardone's (Now Wiggles) but ever since the Pubway folded, Newark has gone downhill considerably. It was still a hoot in 2002.

DeeUncola
12-29-03, 02:57
Some new Reports

Club: TWINS PLUS

2 South Main St.
South Hackensack, NJ
[Not the same section as Pleasure Lounge]

Looks: 3-7s usually middling.

Sleaze: 5. Some girls allow bush and breast gropes. Not all. But action seems to have picked up since October.

Costs: Reasonable. Not a money pit. Still cheap.

Further Notes: A chunky blue eyed Brazilian named Eva gave me her phone number and permission to spread it. 862-755-7474. Eva is 40ish in age. I have not tried it. When I left, i decided she was not for me. But you guys may like to try it. Offered sex for $100. Probably should be reduced in price. Her English is terrible and I do not speak Portuguese. She could NOT understand my Spanish, though my Spanish is good. So she may not have realized she gave me permission to give out her number. If you call be careful. As I said, I decided she was NOT for me and so I did not call, myself. YMMV.

Johanna, Brazilian, a 4 in looks, about 49 in years, was there. Was told she is available for outtake.

The was a 40ish Brazilian lady named Anna with a nice toothy smile. Very friendly by which I mean personable not sleazy.

Ethnicity: All Brazilian this time.

Parking: Easy - by side on Main St.

Last Date Visited: December 28 - 2003

DeeUncola
12-29-03, 03:06
Club: BABY DOLLS
102 Market St.
Paterson, NJ

Looks: 3-8s; usually 6-7s. This was a good crew tonite and a lot were young and eye candy.

Sleaze: 5. Some girls allow bush and breast gropes. Another girl gave me her phone number but I did NOT get permission to release it.

Costs: A bit of a money pit.

Further Notes: My past experiences with BABY DOLLS have been so bad that I had intended never to go there again. But I was told a GO GO RAMA was scheduled tonite, so I went. Sure enough, it was scheduled; but the girls were late and half of them did NOT show up. Tonite was by no means representative of anything therefore, regular or go go rama for this club.

Ethnicity: Latina, Black and Brazilian.

Parking: Murder. It is Market Street. Pay the panhandlers.

Last Date Visited: December 28 - 2003

DeeUncola
12-29-03, 03:09
Club: MOONLIGHT
100 Market St.
Paterson, NJ

Looks: 3-6s; usually 4-5s.

Sleaze: 5. Some girls allow bush and breast gropes. Grinding is given.

Costs: A bit of a money pit.

Further Notes: One of the dancers, a Dominicana, named Vanessa, who also works at Cabaret says she will give FS at Cabaret. I have seen her give HJs there.

Ethnicity: Latina, Black and Brazilian.

Parking: Murder. It is Market Street. Pay the panhandlers.

Last Date Visited: December 28 - 2003

DeeUncola
12-29-03, 03:10
Mickey D's is closed on Sundays. So is Ragtime in West Paterson. I thought I would just post that.

DeeUncola
12-29-03, 15:23
Wooly, as best as I can tell, some people call the Cabaret, on Cianci St, the Caribe.

See Bigcohiba's post, 8-03-2003, in the Cheap-Thrills/Mickey D's section on another board.

He mentions 6 bars, the Moonlight, Baby Dolls, Guy's and the Caribe and two others [Hi-Beams and Mickey Ds].

Now, obviously the Cabaret is right around the corner from the Market Street trio and you can see why I think it is the Cabaret.

If he did mean the Cabaret, his report on it was right on the money. Anything does go there, even FS, as was promised to me once by a girl there. I have seen HJs there.

Anglegby, 8-06-03, mentions ""the place down the street and around the corner". That is a clear reference to Cabaret which is down the street and around the corner from the Market St. Trio.

For reasons, not clear, Bigcohiba changed the name a bit and said, 8-07-03, "those familiar with the area - He is jumping back and forth between Newark and Paterson - know what place I am referring to, and its name is posted in this thread several times. Ill show ya the water but I aint gonna drink it for ya."

He was being purposefully, or accidentally vague. But it seems to be the Cabaret which is down the street and around the corner from the Market Street trio.

DeeUncola
12-30-03, 15:23
Ticket stubbing is guite common where Russians abound.

After Dark in Newark - almost totally Russian now - is quite open about it. When I bought a drink for a girl last month, she asked me to get her the stub.

At Guy's La Vie en Rose, I have seen Ursula cash out the girls at the end of the evening and pay them according to the drinks they took. BTW, I have not been to Guy's since April because Ursula is pitiless. If she is ever scotched will someone let me know? Guy's was wonderful, otherwise. But I will not return until she is gone.

Tropicana abounds with Russian women, as well as Brazilian. So I am not suprised the method is used. Latina bars are less blatant about it but some tally is made.

DeeUncola
12-30-03, 15:36
Club: RAGTIME - A Gentlemen's Establishment
McBride Ave
West Paterson, NJ
[Not Paterson but a different town next to Paterson.]

Looks: Two girls. A 30-40ish Brazilian named Danielle. A 6 in looks. An early 30ish Brazilian named Ellen. A good 7.

Sleaze No flashing at all. Nothing. A 1 at best. However, Danielle did say some - NOT ALL - girls will lapdance. There is a lapdance area behind the pool table. I did NOT see it used. Danielle said she did not lapdance. Ellen was abrupt so I got no info out of her.

Costs: Cheap. Easy to avoid the tipping hustle.

Further Notes: A truly large truly square bar. The inside is decorated in kitschy and cheap wood panelling and rotted 8x4 floorboards. Looks like an old Minnesota fishing lodge. The restrooms have signs calling them "The Necessary" which I thought was curiously quaint. Others, elsewhere, have reported more action. I cannot vouch for it.

Ethnicity: When I was there, both were Brazilian.

Parking: Easy. Gigantic lot.

Last date visited: December 29, 2003

DeeUncola
12-30-03, 15:44
Was at Mickey D's recently this month. For particular reasons, I cannot give the day.

Typical Mickey D's. A 9 in sleaze. Anything goes. Back room action, FS available. No need for a chart layout. Everybody by now knows this location by heart or reputation.

The place is so well known by now the only thing I can add is that this particular night was NORDIC night. Brazilians usually come in glorious shades and hues - a veritable spectrum of beauty. But to my utter amazement this night all the ladies were white; one with blue eyes, one with green eyes. None were below a 3 in looks - which is unusually high for Mickey D, where 2s abound. One was a 6. All were 40ish except for a good looking 50ish woman.

The rest: Rates, parking, costs, etc. Are well known and trumped about by others, as well as me.

DeeUncola
12-30-03, 18:13
An idea whose time has come:

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?sf=29&click_id=29&art_id=qw1067245202735B236

Turkey puts brakes on 'sex-on-wheels' scheme

October 27 2003 at 11:00AM

Istanbul - The sign on the front of the bus reads: "Come try something different with us". But police in Istanbul say the four people running Turkey's first brothel-on-wheels may be breaking the law.

The woman owner of the bus, her driver and two prostitutes were detained for questioning on Sunday for running the travelling sex tour, the Sabah newspaper reported on Monday.

Prostitution is legal in Turkey but only in registered brothels.

The four had been roaming along a national highway near Istanbul for the past two months, making several stops to greet passenger-clients in the bus' four small rooms, each equipped with a bed and shower. - Sapa-AFP

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(end of story)

Now, true, Turkey is NOT Paterson. But surely one local enterprising Capitalist can get on board the love train and commence to making Public Transportation more popular in the Silk City. All aboard the 69 Express.