Like Beef Lolo?

[Simtiki]

Wow. Can't they just ask for day off to go out? I have had occasion to go out with some providers on a "date ". No house fees, no extra tips. Just plain old fashioned go out dinner date. We returned to AMP and then I paid standard house fee. This wasn't at Empire though. Just wondering and adding my two cents about this.A friend of mine who mongers but chooses not to be on this forum said that one of the other girls told him that Luxx took off one night this weekend to be with a friend. Another girl I was seeing a lot of and did so too after she left said most are not allowed to take off during their entire stint at Empire otherwise they will lose their job.

[Member #5810]

A friend of mine who mongers but chooses not to be on this forum said that one of the other girls told him that Luxx took off one night this weekend to be with a friend. Another girl I was seeing a lot of and did so too after she left said most are not allowed to take off during their entire stint at Empire otherwise they will lose their job.Ahh. I figured Empire had some sort of stipulations. Each business different of course. My experiences were with the Korean AMP girls, who were able to take off if they didn't have appointments. My personal feelings are the girls should be able to have some time off to have some normalcy in life and not just see the inside of their place. Kinda like refresh and recharge from the same old day after day servicing. Thanks for the info though!

[Viet Whisperer]

Don't know what all the fuss is about!

I know I'm new to this whole posting thing but not new to the game. She is as advertised! So if you don't appreciate a beautiful face, nice big tits and luscious ass then don't even bother! If you want fake then this is not your girl! She was on time and passionate about my needs (not a clock watcher). Will most definitely see again!

Thanks for reviewing yourself LOL.

[Lonely Smiles]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm getting over the slutty Empire routine, knowing the girls are expected to do certain things, (DFK, 2 pops, BBBJ) is kinda turning me off. They are more like pieces of meat at Empire. Rejuve girls are more classy and I know the service I'm getting is genuine and not forced upon them. And yes, the top girls at Rejuve blow away the top girls at Empire in natural beauty and bodies IMHO. !

I'll still monger at Empire when new stock arrives, but Rejuve is where the majority of my business will be. I've had a blast with Cherry, Jolin, Wara and Luxx but I'm getting kinda turned off by the slutty reviews. Kitty is next!!Okay, I'm going to venture that there is something incredibly ironic about calling a 'working girl' slutty when it comes out of the mouth of an active monger. Suddenly we, the mongering man sluts extraordinaire, pass judgement on girls for written accounts that they didn't write? LOL. Ponder that.

The entire idea is rooted in an outdated cultural double standard that is somehow only acceptable for men to be promiscuous and not acceptable for women. Straight up. Huh?

In my personal opinion, men calling women sluts is in poor taste. Especially, when we are the ones asking to push the envelope on what the girls will allow. Empire starts bringing in younger girls who don't want to BBFS a 100 dudes a week and guys complain about a decline in service. How many dudes ask for BBFS from girls who are known for being covered? And write about trying to slip it in. We're just as much, if not more, the sluts in this equation.

I've enjoyed both AMPs a great deal, as my reviews reflect. I don't see the need to pit them against each other. From a business standpoint, yes Happiness, Rejuve, Empire etc are all in competition for our business. And that is a good thing.

[SquirtLuva69]

Okay, I'm going to venture that there is something incredibly ironic about calling a 'working girl' slutty when it comes out of the mouth of an active monger. Suddenly we, the mongering man sluts extraordinaire, pass judgement on girls for written accounts that they didn't write? LOL. Ponder that.

The entire idea is rooted in an outdated cultural double standard that is somehow only acceptable for men to be promiscuous and not acceptable for women. Straight up. Huh?

In my personal opinion, men calling women sluts is in poor taste. Especially, when we are the ones asking to push the envelope on what the girls will allow. Empire starts bringing in younger girls who don't want to BBFS a 100 dudes a week and guys complain about a decline in service. How many dudes ask for BBFS from girls who are known for being covered? And write about trying to slip it in. We're just as much, if not more, the sluts in this equation.

I've enjoyed both AMPs a great deal, as my reviews reflect. I don't see the need to pit them against each other. From a business standpoint, yes Happiness, Rejuve, Empire etc are all in competition for our business. And that is a good thing.Lonelysmiles. Well said and good job making this uneducated, poor and neanderthal lowlife feel bad, oh but he may not know how to read, lmao.

[Admin2]

Okay, I'm going to venture that there is something incredibly ironic about calling a 'working girl' slutty when it comes out of the mouth of an active monger. Suddenly we, the mongering man sluts extraordinaire, pass judgement on girls for written accounts that they didn't write? LOL. Ponder that.

The entire idea is rooted in an outdated cultural double standard that is somehow only acceptable for men to be promiscuous and not acceptable for women. Straight up. Huh?

In my personal opinion, men calling women sluts is in poor taste. Especially, when we are the ones asking to push the envelope on what the girls will allow. Empire starts bringing in younger girls who don't want to BBFS a 100 dudes a week and guys complain about a decline in service. How many dudes ask for BBFS from girls who are known for being covered? And write about trying to slip it in. We're just as much, if not more, the sluts in this equation.

I've enjoyed both AMPs a great deal, as my reviews reflect. I don't see the need to pit them against each other. From a business standpoint, yes Happiness, Rejuve, Empire etc are all in competition for our business. And that is a good thing.This is me personally, not the admin.

I fucking love sluts! I love chicks that are proud to call themselves sluts. In principle I agree with Lonely Smiles about the whole double standard thing. Why ANY man would try and shame a woman for loving sex is fucking beyond me.

This is my favorite story about this issue;.

I was sitting in a hooker cafe here in Buenos Aires one evening and there were three working girls at a table behind me. I heard the one say "Ella es re puta!" (she is really slutty) I turned around and said "Excuse me ladies, but who is re puta?" One of them (not the prettiest one) looked me right in the eye and never dropped a tick and said "Yo! Yo soy re puta!" (Me, I'm the ****!) She said it with fierce pride and no fucking shame at all.

I thought about it for a second and said, "Dale, vamos?" (Ok, can we go?) She said ok and stood up. We got in a taxi and went to a love hotel. For the next two hours she tried very hard to rip all the skin off my dick. I mean she seriously fucking abused me, it was AWESOME!

I can't speak for the rest of you guys but for me I'll take the "sluts" every fucking time. For my money the girl next door can just fucking stay next door. The woman I'm taking home to meet mom isn't afraid to tell her about her porn career and that we met in a brothel.

I fucking LOVE sluts!

[SquirtLuva69]

This is me personally, not the admin.

I fucking love sluts! I love chicks that are proud to call themselves sluts. In principle I agree with Lonely Smiles about the whole double standard thing. Why ANY man would try and shame a woman for loving sex is fucking beyond me.

This is my favorite story about this issue;.

I was sitting in a hooker cafe here in Buenos Aires one evening and there were three working girls at a table behind me. I heard the one say "Ella es re puta!" (she is really slutty) I turned around and said "Excuse me ladies, but who is re puta?" One of them (not the prettiest one) looked me right in the eye and never dropped a tick and said "Yo! Yo soy re puta!" (Me, I'm the ****!) She said it with fierce pride and no fucking shame at all.

I thought about it for a second and said, "Dale, vamos?" (Ok, can we go?) She said ok and stood up. We got in a taxi and went to a love hotel. For the next two hours she tried very hard to rip all the skin off my dick. I mean she seriously fucking abused me, it was AWESOME!

I can't speak for the rest of you guys but for me I'll take the "sluts" every fucking time. For my money the girl next door can just fucking stay next door. The woman I'm taking home to meet mom isn't afraid to tell her about her porn career and that we met in a brothel.

I fucking LOVE sluts!We all do, but we are also sluts. Don't you think?

Fuck yes, I'm a fucking pig and damn proud of it. I have zero fucking shame regarding my love for punanni.

A2

[MidgetMac87]

This is me personally, not the admin.

I fucking love sluts! I love chicks that are proud to call themselves sluts. In principle I agree with Lonely Smiles about the whole double standard thing. Why ANY man would try and shame a woman for loving sex is fucking beyond me.

This is my favorite story about this issue;.

I was sitting in a hooker cafe here in Buenos Aires one evening and there were three working girls at a table behind me. I heard the one say "Ella es re puta!" (she is really slutty) I turned around and said "Excuse me ladies, but who is re puta?" One of them (not the prettiest one) looked me right in the eye and never dropped a tick and said "Yo! Yo soy re puta!" (Me, I'm the ****!) She said it with fierce pride and no fucking shame at all.

I thought about it for a second and said, "Dale, vamos?" (Ok, can we go?) She said ok and stood up. We got in a taxi and went to a love hotel. For the next two hours she tried very hard to rip all the skin off my dick. I mean she seriously fucking abused me, it was AWESOME!

I can't speak for the rest of you guys but for me I'll take the "sluts" every fucking time. For my money the girl next door can just fucking stay next door. The woman I'm taking home to meet mom isn't afraid to tell her about her porn career and that we met in a brothel.

I fucking LOVE sluts!Agree with this +1,000,000.

[Buster50]

Lonelysmiles. Well said and good job making this uneducated, poor and neanderthal lowlife feel bad, oh but he may not know how to read, lmao.Give me a break. LOL. Can't handle the truth? I can't have my own opinion? I'm just stating the difference between the 2 establishments. Some may want the sluttiness of Empire and some may want the classiness of Rejuve. Are you upset because you are in love with one of the Empire girls? Sorry, but she may not be in love with you.

[SquirtLuva69]

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Sorry brother this is one of the things you can't do even here.

A2

[Honolulu808]

http://honolulu.backpage.com/BodyRubs/who-is-page-who-is-page-see-review-who-is-page/5436110

Who and why would someone create this post and do this. Yes, I had a bad experience from my friend but I meant no harm to Page.

This posting on backpage is tasteless and hurtful.

Whom ever posted this ad please, please, please remove it. Because this is not the real Page. I still consider one of the top providers in Hawaii.

[Punanilicr]

http://honolulu.backpage.com/BodyRubs/who-is-page-who-is-page-see-review-who-is-page/5436110

Who and why would someone create this post and do this. Yes, I had a bad experience from my friend but I meant no harm to Page.

This posting on backpage is tasteless and hurtful.

Whom ever posted this ad please, please, please remove it. Because this is not the real Page. I still consider one of the top providers in Hawaii.That is low, but you putting it here will probably just perpetuate the whole thing. I doubt that the poster will read your plead to remove it and think "ya, he's right" then take it down.

[Lonely Smiles]

This is me personally, not the admin.

I fucking love sluts! I love chicks that are proud to call themselves sluts. In principle I agree with Lonely Smiles about the whole double standard thing. Why ANY man would try and shame a woman for loving sex is fucking beyond me.

This is my favorite story about this issue;.

I was sitting in a hooker cafe here in Buenos Aires one evening and there were three working girls at a table behind me. I heard the one say "Ella es re puta!" (she is really slutty) I turned around and said "Excuse me ladies, but who is re puta?" One of them (not the prettiest one) looked me right in the eye and never dropped a tick and said "Yo! Yo soy re puta!" (Me, I'm the ****!) She said it with fierce pride and no fucking shame at all.

I thought about it for a second and said, "Dale, vamos?" (Ok, can we go?) She said ok and stood up. We got in a taxi and went to a love hotel. For the next two hours she tried very hard to rip all the skin off my dick. I mean she seriously fucking abused me, it was AWESOME!

I can't speak for the rest of you guys but for me I'll take the "sluts" every fucking time. For my money the girl next door can just fucking stay next door. The woman I'm taking home to meet mom isn't afraid to tell her about her porn career and that we met in a brothel.

I fucking LOVE sluts!Great point A2. In this context, I understand how you use the word **** with a positive connotation, one of sexual freedom. However, in the USA When a man uses the word "****" about a woman in public, a vast majority of the time it carries a very negative, demeaning connotation. It's the mark of Hester Prynne, the scarlet letter, in USA Culture.

I recently finished a book that examines modern romance in the digital age. In one fascinating section, the author and his research partner, examined cultural attitudes towards sex and dating across several major USA Cities including Los Angeles and New York. They then compared those to attitudes and public sentiment in Tokyo Japan (major population crisis since people are not reproducing at a fast enough rate to replace the population), Paris. France, and Buenos Aires. Argentina. What they found, particularly in the case of the USA Versus Argentina, we are still decades behind Argentina in terms of sexual freedom. Men and women can be much MUCH more forward about their sexual desires and multiple partners in Buenos Aires without social repercussions that effect their ability to date, keep a reputable job, etc.

So in that, the context is important. If the monger in question had written a sentence that read "I fucking love those Empire Sluts!! They are so wet and wild, I can't get enough. " That is totally different than using the word **** to make himself sound like a superior and discerning purveyor of sex by effectively saying "Empire is distasteful because of 'sluts'. " Here it's clearly used as a negative reason.

Totally different. In your context, fuck yes, I love 'sluts'. In the context that most guys in the USA would use the word ****, outside of dirty talk in the bedroom, it's a very demeaning word.

[Lonely Smiles]

On a separate note, how is the cost of living in Argentina? Maybe I should leave the US while I still have my youth. Hawaii is so damn expensive.

[Nutmaker]

http://honolulu.backpage.com/BodyRubs/who-is-page-who-is-page-see-review-who-is-page/5436110

Who and why would someone create this post and do this. Yes, I had a bad experience from my friend but I meant no harm to Page.

This posting on backpage is tasteless and hurtful.

Whom ever posted this ad please, please, please remove it. Because this is not the real Page. I still consider one of the top providers in Hawaii.Simply amazing. You're back handed compliments and passive aggressive reviews have been cracking me up for months, but posting an ad on BP is a new form of low.

Just own it if you have something negative to say, or don't say it at all, but don't hide behind the guise of " I meant no harm by my review" or " I promised the management that I wouldn't say who the girl I'm writing negatively about is" or " the new location should be nice and safe with all the cops that eat in the restaurant downstairs. " Too funny, yet so sad.

[JSon808]

Simply amazing. You're back handed compliments and passive aggressive reviews have been cracking me up for months, but posting an ad on BP is a new form of low.

Just own it if you have something negative to say, or don't say it at all, but don't hide behind the guise of " I meant no harm by my review" or " I promised the management that I wouldn't say who the girl I'm writing negatively about is" or " the new location should be nice and safe with all the cops that eat in the restaurant downstairs. " Too funny, yet so sad.I don't think this is the work of a monger. Who and why in the world woulda monger do this? This is clearly an attack on Page and her business. Perhaps Top spa is still feeling salty towards Page for leaving. I heard through the grapevine the two had problems during the split.

[MongerZ]

Simply amazing. You're back handed compliments and passive aggressive reviews have been cracking me up for months, but posting an ad on BP is a new form of low.

Just own it if you have something negative to say, or don't say it at all, but don't hide behind the guise of " I meant no harm by my review" or " I promised the management that I wouldn't say who the girl I'm writing negatively about is" or " the new location should be nice and safe with all the cops that eat in the restaurant downstairs. " Too funny, yet so sad.Haha, Paige going to wish she just took the $50 for the bad session.

[Nutmaker]

Haha, Paige going to wish she just took the $50 for the bad session.I knd of feel bad for her, even though I've never met her. Sounds like she had some sort of personal issue going on and tried to deal with it and take an appt at the same time. Major faux pas, but not the end of the world. I doubt that this will hurt her.

[G3504]

I knd of feel bad for her, even though I've never met her. Sounds like she had some sort of personal issue going on and tried to deal with it and take an appt at the same time. Major faux pas, but not the end of the world. I doubt that this will hurt her.I think you're right as long as she bites the bullet and continues with the great service. If the whole incident is any indication of what the future may hold for any one of us who decides to see her when she may not be in the right state of mind then she may need to move or reinvent herself. Owning it and continuing with her usual great service would be the smarter choice IMO.

G35.

[Honolulu808]

Simply amazing. You're back handed compliments and passive aggressive reviews have been cracking me up for months, but posting an ad on BP is a new form of low.

Just own it if you have something negative to say, or don't say it at all, but don't hide behind the guise of " I meant no harm by my review" or " I promised the management that I wouldn't say who the girl I'm writing negatively about is" or " the new location should be nice and safe with all the cops that eat in the restaurant downstairs. " Too funny, yet so sad.I was it the one to post the ad in backpage. I was angree as hell that someone stoop to that level to do that post. Fortunately that post has been removed.

Thank you for your advise.

[Honolulu808]

I knd of feel bad for her, even though I've never met her. Sounds like she had some sort of personal issue going on and tried to deal with it and take an appt at the same time. Major faux pas, but not the end of the world. I doubt that this will hurt her.I hope is does not hurt her business. I know why she was on the phone and texting and it was not personal. Yes, major faux pas in my part.

[Admin2]

Great point A2. In this context, I understand how you use the word **** with a positive connotation, one of sexual freedom. However, in the USA When a man uses the word "****" about a woman in public, a vast majority of the time it carries a very negative, demeaning connotation. It's the mark of Hester Prynne, the scarlet letter, in USA Culture.

I recently finished a book that examines modern romance in the digital age. In one fascinating section, the author and his research partner, examined cultural attitudes towards sex and dating across several major USA Cities including Los Angeles and New York. They then compared those to attitudes and public sentiment in Tokyo Japan (major population crisis since people are not reproducing at a fast enough rate to replace the population), Paris. France, and Buenos Aires. Argentina. What they found, particularly in the case of the USA Versus Argentina, we are still decades behind Argentina in terms of sexual freedom. Men and women can be much MUCH more forward about their sexual desires and multiple partners in Buenos Aires without social repercussions that effect their ability to date, keep a reputable job, etc.

So in that, the context is important. If the monger in question had written a sentence that read "I fucking love those Empire Sluts!! They are so wet and wild, I can't get enough. " That is totally different than using the word **** to make himself sound like a superior and discerning purveyor of sex by effectively saying "Empire is distasteful because of 'sluts'. " Here it's clearly used as a negative reason.

Totally different. In your context, fuck yes, I love 'sluts'. In the context that most guys in the USA would use the word ****, outside of dirty talk in the bedroom, it's a very demeaning word.Bubba I'm 100% chicken fried merican, yankee doodle dandy underpants and everything. I live in Argentina but I wusnt borned here.

I knew what the asshole meant and it was my intention to ridicule him, quite well I think, and question his manhood. After all it takes a pretty weak fucking dickweed to be afraid of sexual powerful women. He needs to be vilified, we need to shame him, and point out that if you can't run with big dogs stay the fuck on the porch.

He thinks that by saying the chicks at place X are more "elegant" (fucking elegant, they are still prostitutes asswipe) that they, and by extension he, are somehow better than the chicks at place Y and the guys that go there.

Here, let me spell it out for you, they are both sucking your cock because you paid them.

Again, don't get me wrong, I still fucking L O V E sluts. I know lots and lots of sluts that are elegant ladies in public and just fucking stick your thumb up my ass and fuck me till you wreck my pussy fucking sluts in private. God bless um.

A2.

[SquirtLuva69]

Bubba I'm 100% chicken fried merican, yankee doodle dandy underpants and everything. I live in Argentina but I wusnt borned here.

I knew what the asshole meant and it was my intention to ridicule him, quite well I think, and question his manhood. After all it takes a pretty weak fucking dickweed to be afraid of sexual powerful women. He needs to be vilified, we need to shame him, and point out that if you can't run with big dogs stay the fuck on the porch.

He thinks that by saying the chicks at place X are more "elegant" (fucking elegant, they are still prostitutes asswipe) that they, and by extension he, are somehow better than the chicks at place Y and the guys that go there.

Here, let me spell it out for you, they are both sucking your cock because you paid them.

Again, don't get me wrong, I still fucking L O V E sluts. I know lots and lots of sluts that are elegant ladies in public and just fucking stick your thumb up my ass and fuck me till you wreck my pussy fucking sluts in private. God bless um.

A2.You go dude.

[Admin2]

There is now a link to send PM's directly from the chicks ads on the new site.

You need to be logged in here for it to work.

Told you guys it's going to be cool as fuck

A2

[Member #5810]

There is now a link to send PM's directly from the chicks ads on the new site.

You need to be logged in here for it to work.

Told you guys it's going to be cool as fuck

A2Is that the usaclassifieds?

Yup,

http://usaadultclassifieds.info

A2

[MongerZ]

I hope is does not hurt her business. I know why she was on the phone and texting and it was not personal. Yes, major faux pas in my part.To them $1. 5 is being throw at them all day but to us, that plus the $. 5 for the house fee takes some of us all day or maybe two days to make. It's insulting. I would have gave her the $. 5 and walked out. If she complained, let the mama know what she is doing. I know though, easier said than done. I had a really bad session and I just never came back to that AMP.

[Nutmaker]

I hope is does not hurt her business. I know why she was on the phone and texting and it was not personal. Yes, major faux pas in my part.If you hope it doesn't hurt her business, why did you write a negative review? Makes no sense at all. Think about it. Passive aggressive to the end. Also, I meant it was her faux pas for talking on the phone during an appt, like a girl at Pacific Marina might do. I think that you knew what you were doing all along.

[Getting Old]

If you hope it doesn't hurt her business, why did you write a negative review? Makes no sense at all. Think about it. Passive aggressive to the end. Also, I meant it was her faux pas for talking on the phone during an appt, like a girl at Pacific Marina might do. I think that you knew what you were doing all along.Unfortunately, this incident happened because you posted your review on Backpage with the full intent to get back and hurt this provider as much as you could with your limited reach. It WORKED!. Just look at all the posts about Paige and guys changing their minds about going to see her because of your actions. Justified or not this should have been worked out with the provider, the house mama, before this went public, as other brothers have said you intended and knew fully well what you were doing when you posted that review on Backpage. What a sorry excuse for a person you are, as brother A2 said and it takes a lot for this young man to get peeved and I would seriously listen to this young man cause they got some things in Argentina I wouldn't mind trying. Oh! Well maybe one of these days.

If this was a normal situation you would be in court, being sued for lost wages and mental anguish. What a F. She gave you bad service yet paid the full rate and had a cig with her too boot, to me was all on you your fault for being taken for a ride,(what you love her? You one adult act like one. I am entitled to my opinion and I am letting you know guys will call you on your shit, because you post on other threads and other providers need to be aware of you and your double standards and irrational behavior. That is my 2 cents! I wondered what all this posts was on the Rejuve thread. Man grow up!

[Getting Old]

Page Revisited.

After a couple days of cooling off I made an appointment with Page. Greeted at the door with both saying deepest sorries to eachother then it happened, the Page I saw before came out and she gave me her undivided attention. We spent the next 55 minutes in sexual pleasure. Double pop for me and multiple O's for her. Page is a goddess, she knows it and it came back this morning to me.

I am glad I got the balls to return because there is going to be many repeats.

Happy Mongering to all.

What you in the 8th grade, now that you cooled off, and posted what a shit provider she is, you now say she is ok. Words have power and carry weight on this blog. I hope all the other brothers that took your post to heart and changed their minds take note, also providers that service you take note of this Jeckel and Hyde personality of yours and deal with you accordingly. Your credibility as a poster in my mind will now be taken with a grain of salt, a lot of salt. You must be one young insecure person. Anyway I am glad you man enough to apologize to the provider you slanted. It does not take care of all her lost business your post caused. How you going apologize for that? Man oh man.

[Uki Eater]

If you hope it doesn't hurt her business, why did you write a negative review? Makes no sense at all. Think about itWriting a negative review can have the provider / ms read it and try to correct it. Instead of complaining to them in person (most guys shame to) they can vent out online instead.

Look at the short timing, people whine about it online only after they leave the AMP. Next thing you know, the AMPs have signs saying "no rush".

[Getting Old]

Writing a negative review can have the provider / ms read it and try to correct it. Instead of complaining to them in person (most guys shame to) they can vent out online instead.

Look at the short timing, people whine about it online only after they leave the AMP. Next thing you know, the AMPs have signs saying "no rush".Local style is local style but sometimes got to be haole and speak up especially if the service was sub-par. This monger made three mistakes one he paid the full fee for crappy service two, instead of being an adult he had to post his crappy review of the provider without first trying to resolve it with the provider and the house mama. As a result a lot of guys who read the Rejuve thread were saying they changed their minds because of this immature monger, who threw a temper tantrum like a 8th grader because his favorite provider was too preoccupied to service him. Two adults should talk it out. You've been posting awhile and you know bad service reflects not only on the provider but also the house. This guys credibility with me is nil. Three he and the provider went out and had a cigarette together? To me this is telling the provider that her shit service was acceptable and it was ok to use his remaining time to smoke. IDK if I pay for service I expect the service to be provided maybe I am wrong but this guy need to think before he acts must be one young guy and if not he must be in love with this provider. Either way he hurt her business. That Brother UE is the bottom line.

[Mondo Badfoot]

I hope is does not hurt her business. I know why she was on the phone and texting and it was not personal. Yes, major faux pas in my part.You hope it doesn't hurt her business? LOL! That's why you posted it! Oh yeah- biting your dick wasn't personal? Get real!

[Buster50]

Okay, I'm going to venture that there is something incredibly ironic about calling a 'working girl' slutty when it comes out of the mouth of an active monger. Suddenly we, the mongering man sluts extraordinaire, pass judgement on girls for written accounts that they didn't write? LOL. Ponder that.

The entire idea is rooted in an outdated cultural double standard that is somehow only acceptable for men to be promiscuous and not acceptable for women. Straight up. Huh?

In my personal opinion, men calling women sluts is in poor taste. Especially, when we are the ones asking to push the envelope on what the girls will allow. Empire starts bringing in younger girls who don't want to BBFS a 100 dudes a week and guys complain about a decline in service. How many dudes ask for BBFS from girls who are known for being covered? And write about trying to slip it in. We're just as much, if not more, the sluts in this equation.

I've enjoyed both AMPs a great deal, as my reviews reflect. I don't see the need to pit them against each other. From a business standpoint, yes Happiness, Rejuve, Empire etc are all in competition for our business. And that is a good thing.If you read correctly, I never called any of the girls sluts. I called their routine and service slutty. Is that bad? Some mongers including myself have enjoyed many great slutty sessions with them. You guys are defending them like they are you mothers, sisters or S. O. , come on, they are working girls! I don't treat them bad, in fact many LOVE me! I never said that service has been bad, just not to my current taste as another monger agreed and I do get BBFS from them and not by trying to slip it in.

[Punanilicr]

I hope is does not hurt her business. I know why she was on the phone and texting and it was not personal. Yes, major faux pas in my part.


Writing a negative review can have the provider / ms read it and try to correct it. Instead of complaining to them in person (most guys shame to) they can vent out online instead.

Look at the short timing, people whine about it online only after they leave the AMP. Next thing you know, the AMPs have signs saying "no rush".No, H808 has never been ashamed to say something before when it makes him look big and important. HE makes girls popular, LOL. I doubt that he had any other reasoning than to get back at her the only way he knew how, then you read in Rejuve thread that he went back and got stellar service. If shame was involved, why not be ashamed to go back after all of this. If a provider was to be so mad with me as to bite me (not his first biteing incident) I would never see her again, but would let ms know what happened then and there. There's so many things wrong with this entire scenario, just got to smdh.

[Viet Whisperer]

You hope it doesn't hurt her business? LOL! That's why you posted it! Oh yeah- biting your dick wasn't personal? Get real!Just saw the bashing ad was posted again a few minutes ago. Page is awesome and might have made a mistake but definitely still worth seeing. Super hot skilled girl. Quit being chickenshit and leave her alone.

[Getting Old]

Just saw the bashing ad was posted again a few minutes ago. Page is awesome and might have made a mistake but definitely still worth seeing. Super hot skilled girl. Quit being chickenshit and leave her alone.Life is a circle Brother RL, posting on this blog we are no angels, and neither are these women but they are all human beings with feelings, wants, needs and desires. IN this I am sure this "Chickenshit" will get his in the long run, we may not be able to see it but he will get his. So all providers that service him I would think twice before you service him unless you want to be the butt of his ire at some future date. To Paige I hope this passes soon and I hope you rip this guy for all he's got. More so since Brother RL said the review has been posted again on Backpage. This guy is soo Chickenshit.

Hey, if your excuse is going to be "I didn't post this" doesn't matter you wrote the negative review to get back at Paige for poor service, if she was a friend you would never, never have posted the negative review. She was not born yesterday, neither was I and you. The gun was empty but you supplied the bullet to hurt this young lady where it hurts the most. I have already stated words carry weight on this blog you being a Senior Member also lends credibility to your posts as evidence to the response to your posts. As I have stated Your credibility with me is gone, post all you want but to me like the two trolls you are dead and on my ignore list. I don't need to hear from a 8th grader with a temper tantrum problem. Senior Member? Don't make me laugh!

[Punanilicr]

Just saw the bashing ad was posted again a few minutes ago. Page is awesome and might have made a mistake but definitely still worth seeing. Super hot skilled girl. Quit being chickenshit and leave her alone.And it only gets more "mysterious. ".

The person posting this bad ad is now blacking out H808's name in the upper right hand corner of the "review. " How considerate of them, LOL. That just wreaks of him putting it up, or someone close to him that doesn't want him associated with his shameful tactics. This is such a child's game.

[Mondo Badfoot]

Just saw the bashing ad was posted again a few minutes ago. Page is awesome and might have made a mistake but definitely still worth seeing. Super hot skilled girl. Quit being chickenshit and leave her alone.Believe me, RL, I mean Page no harm, I know she's hot. I just don't like the chickenshit who actually posted the damaging review!

[MCSeven]

Believe me, RL, I mean Page no harm, I know she's hot. I just don't like the chickenshit who actually posted the damaging review!Hoping things changes around for the good. All I got was great sessions with her. She is super hot, sexy import model hot. Haven't been able to find another girl like her and a session like the ones I get with her.

[Viet Whisperer]

Believe me, RL, I mean Page no harm, I know she's hot. I just don't like the chickenshit who actually posted the damaging review!Not you Mondo this was directed at who keeps posting that on Backpage. I was just tagging on to your quote brother.

[Spyda]

Just saw the bashing ad was posted again a few minutes ago. Page is awesome and might have made a mistake but definitely still worth seeing. Super hot skilled girl. Quit being chickenshit and leave her alone.Just noticed the ads posted again back to back. Really childish at thus point.

[InHawaii]

Just noticed the ads posted again back to back. Really childish at thus point.Imagine the horror. Someone had a bad day at work. How dare she not be perfect every time, obviously she is a nefarious siren. I can only speak for myself, but I know I can not be perfect everyday, and whoever thinks they are is delusional. The bilge of these recreant posts is adolescent at best. Myself, I have not yet had a chance to enjoy this astounding woman. I will add this, knowing she is indeed human and not robotic has definitely placed her at the top of my list now. Time to stop the truculent attacks.

[Honolulu808]

Just noticed the ads posted again back to back. Really childish at thus point.I am so disgusted about these bogus postings. I contacted admin for this site, can't do anything about it even that I pointed that they took a screen grab of the post.

Backpage, they can't give out info of who's posting it except to say as soon as one sees the post report it and it comes down.

[HapaBoy86]

Just noticed the ads posted again back to back. Really childish at thus point.Yup, me too.

Whomeva dis person is and I'm sure he's on reading these threads thinks its funny.

You're childish and need to grow up and needs false crack upside his head!

[Hornysamowen]

I am so disgusted about these bogus postings. I contacted admin for this site, can't do anything about it even that I pointed that they took a screen grab of the post.

Backpage, they can't give out info of who's posting it except to say as soon as one sees the post report it and it comes down.May be Page should place a Backpage add apologizing to all the mongers she wronged and ask for their forgiveness, then maybe all this stuff will go away, just a thought.

[Admin2]

I'm not sure exactly what's going on and I honestly don't care. I am however very grateful that you brothers are keeping it on the fight thread.

A2

[Getting Old]

I am so disgusted about these bogus postings. I contacted admin for this site, can't do anything about it even that I pointed that they took a screen grab of the post.

Backpage, they can't give out info of who's posting it except to say as soon as one sees the post report it and it comes down.

You are to blame for this whole mess! So own it and quit crying over spilled milk. You maybe disgusted, but I am disgusted as well, as a Senior Member people believe what you post and say about your experiences. If this provider was your friend, then she really doesn't need any enemies with friends like you. By your negative post you have hurt her business and it's being posted for everyone to see your review. It's not only her as an individual but Rejuve as a house, the mama going love you for this negative publicity.

If you just posted on the Rejuve thread it wouldn't be so bad but you post on others as well and that worries me about your reports on other providers and when yougoing off like you did with Paige. You are to blame for your experience with her and it should have been brought to the mama's attention before you wrote that chickenshit negative review. In my opinion you are just as much to blame on her shitty service as she was. You let it happen and even helped her. And you have the gall to complain about it after the fact? WTF. You started this, I hope you have the time to monitor back page every time your review pops up. That's the least you can do for her. What a.

[Oppa808]

I don't think this is the work of a monger. Who and why in the world woulda monger do this? This is clearly an attack on Page and her business. Perhaps Top spa is still feeling salty towards Page for leaving. I heard through the grapevine the two had problems during the split.I think your point has been lost in the shuffle. Who else would stand to gain by personally attacking someone who left their stable to work at a competitor? More so if the split was not amicable. There is an old saying "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Maybe Page needs to re-evaluate who her friends are and who she listens to.

[Mondo Badfoot]

I am so disgusted about these bogus postings. I contacted admin for this site, can't do anything about it even that I pointed that they took a screen grab of the post.

Backpage, they can't give out info of who's posting it except to say as soon as one sees the post report it and it comes down.

You are to blame for this whole mess! So own it and quit crying over spilled milk. You maybe disgusted, but I am disgusted as well, as a Senior Member people believe what you post and say about your experiences. If this provider was your friend, then she really doesn't need any enemies with friends like you. By your negative post you have hurt her business and it's being posted for everyone to see your review. It's not only her as an individual but Rejuve as a house, the mama going love you for this negative publicity.

If you just posted on the Rejuve thread it wouldn't be so bad but you post on others as well and that worries me about your reports on other providers and when yougoing off like you did with Paige. You are to blame for your experience with her and it should have been brought to the mama's attention before you wrote that chickenshit negative review. In my opinion you are just as much to blame on her shitty service as she was. You let it happen and even helped her. And you have the gall to complain about it after the fact? WTF. You started this, I hope you have the time to monitor back page every time your review pops up. That's the least you can do for her. What a.Amen, brother!

[Mondo Badfoot]

Maybe Page needs to re-evaluate who her friends are and who she listens to.Maybe Page should ask herself what kind of friend would write a review like that in the first place!

[Bulgogi Boy]

I think your point has been lost in the shuffle. Who else would stand to gain by personally attacking someone who left their stable to work at a competitor? More so if the split was not amicable. There is an old saying "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Maybe Page needs to re-evaluate who her friends are and who she listens to.I happened to see the ad. The graphics, the grammar, the screen scrape from this forum. ..I think it's far too sophisticated to have originated from the folks at Top Spa.

Obviously the work of premature ejaculator with bite marks on his one inch dick.

[KbMonger]

As a business owner myself, it sucks to see someone get bashed so immaturely and in such a cowardly manner that their business is probably suffering. Instead of making comments regarding this cowardly poster, why don't those of you who have experienced Page help her out and make your own posts on backpage regarding the great service and experience you guys received from her. This coward is probably laughing at you guys and is obviously a douchebag so take action instead of just talking about it. I myself have never experienced Page so I know nothing about her or her service nor do I honestly really care about the whole situation but actions speak louder than words and it doesn't really take an expert to do a post on Backpage. Just my 2 cents brothers.

And to the poster, what you did is pretty weak and cowardly. Were you bullied in school growing up? Are you so ugly that girls have tormented you your whole life so now when one wrongs you, you act like a child? Or is your dick so small that you have small dick syndrome? Or is it that you wanted a serious relationship and Page turned you down? She broke your heart? Do you cry every night and cry out for her? Buahahaha man up and move on and stop being a coward you big pussy! Fckn crybaby

KBM.

[Member #5810]

As a business owner myself, it sucks to see someone get bashed so immaturely and in such a cowardly manner that their business is probably suffering. Instead of making comments regarding this cowardly poster, why don't those of you who have experienced Page help her out and make your own posts on backpage regarding the great service and experience you guys received from her. This coward is probably laughing at you guys and is obviously a douchebag so take action instead of just talking about it. I myself have never experienced Page so I know nothing about her or her service nor do I honestly really care about the whole situation but actions speak louder than words and it doesn't really take an expert to do a post on Backpage. Just my 2 cents brothers.

And to the poster, what you did is pretty weak and cowardly. Were you bullied in school growing up? Are you so ugly that girls have tormented you your whole life so now when one wrongs you, you act like a child? Or is your dick so small that you have small dick syndrome? Or is it that you wanted a serious relationship and Page turned you down? She broke your heart? Do you cry every night and cry out for her? Buahahaha man up and move on and stop being a coward you big pussy! Fckn crybaby

KBM.Well said KBM! My feelings exactly. The guy should have some class. Obviously not. Probably rejected and broken hearted self pitying jerk. Plus whoever he is kept putting up the ad on backpage! Unbelievable.

[Candyman2002]

If you read correctly, I never called any of the girls sluts. I called their routine and service slutty. Is that bad? Some mongers including myself have enjoyed many great slutty sessions with them. You guys are defending them like they are you mothers, sisters or S. O. , come on, they are working girls! I don't treat them bad, in fact many LOVE me! I never said that service has been bad, just not to my current taste as another monger agreed and I do get BBFS from them and not by trying to slip it in.They are sluttier than Rejuve IMHO!

[Memahu]

I apologize now for the lameness but I drove around looking to ReJuve but couldn't find. I thought I saw the building and kept driving but eventually gave up after 4-5 drive around around the block. Please help this amateur monger find his first bang bang by explaining to me where this spot is? I will report back once my mission is accomplished. Mahaloz.I think he's still driving around looking for Rejuve because there's no follow up.

[Member #5810]

I think he's still driving around looking for Rejuve because there's no follow up.Haha. So funny. Mission Impossible for this noob.

[Puuhale]

I think your point has been lost in the shuffle. Who else would stand to gain by personally attacking someone who left their stable to work at a competitor? More so if the split was not amicable. There is an old saying "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Maybe Page needs to re-evaluate who her friends are and who she listens to.What about: "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse"; or "A man can never really be a man unless he spends time with his family"; or "It was Barzini all along!

Also: "Where's Michael? We're not taking a picture without Michael". And, "I never wanted this for you, Michael. Senator Corleone. Governor Corleone".

[Lualualei808]

What about: "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse"; or "A man can never really be a man unless he spends time with his family"; or "It was Barzini all along!

Also: "Where's Michael? We're not taking a picture without Michael". And, "I never wanted this for you, Michael. Senator Corleone. Governor Corleone".Also. Leave the gun, take the cannoli.

[Puuhale]

Also. Leave the gun, take the cannoli.Also, actor Alex Rocco (Moe Green) just died recently:

"You don't buy me out! I buy you out!

"He was making cocktail waitresses, two at a time!

"You know who I am? I'm Moe Green! I was making my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders!

[HonoluluGirl]

I am so happy to see good things written about providers. Life can be so hard and mean, but we, as a collective, have the power to create a corner of the world / cyberworld with a zeitgeist that is uplifting and encouraging. Society has so many negative messages directed at those of us who travel off the beaten path. Why not band together by finding something, one thing, anything that is praiseworthy? Imagine how the general spirit of support and encouragement will spread, producing happier providers who serve with alacrity because they have reason to believe that their efforts will be publicly appreciated, at least a little bit. It's emotionally trying to log on to the site, knowing you've tried your best, but unsure if some cruel, uncalled for comment awaits. I know, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I understand, but I dare ask: can we improve the kitchen?

[Nutmaker]

I am so happy to see good things written about providers. Life can be so hard and mean, but we, as a collective, have the power to create a corner of the world / cyberworld with a zeitgeist that is uplifting and encouraging. Society has so many negative messages directed at those of us who travel off the beaten path. Why not band together by finding something, one thing, anything that is praiseworthy? Imagine how the general spirit of support and encouragement will spread, producing happier providers who serve with alacrity because they have reason to believe that their efforts will be publicly appreciated, at least a little bit. It's emotionally trying to log on to the site, knowing you've tried your best, but unsure if some cruel, uncalled for comment awaits. I know, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I understand, but I dare ask: can we improve the kitchen?I see what you're getting at, but you have to realize that not all of the women we see in this hobby actually give their best. Some are just going through the motions, trying to make their quick buck so they can be let back into the gambling house, or their own house for that matter.

The sole purpose of this site is to help the guys get the most value for their hard earned buck. Sure, criticism doesn't have to be mean, and when I've written a negative review, I've done my best to keep it civil. Some guys don't. It can be a pretty hot kitchen sometimes. Actually, I do my best to stay away from negative experiences to begin with. Negative reviews do help, but I actually learn more from the positive ones, and base my choices on that. Then, there's the atf factor. After a while, I found out who I preferred to see based on attitude and service. Once one sees a couple of senior members whose previews reviews have sent them in a positive direction, it becomes quite easy to decide who to see based on others experience.

[HonoluluGirl]

I completely agree that not every provider has a genuine heart to serve. And of course, scammers should be exposed. Certain aspects of the experience can be objectively rated by anyone, for example, were the posted pictures accurate and recent, did she honor her promotion, was she punctual or a clock-watcher? But other aspects of the experience are subjective, and people are speaking about their personal preferences. For myself, I want to always get high marks for objective standards. As for personal preferences, as much as I'd like to be able to sing "I'm Every Woman" I know it's impossible to be all things to all people. I hope people read reviews with an eye for what is fact versus what is opinion. One thing I don't understand, but maybe someone has input, is why we hear so little about what the provider did to rectify a problem. For example, someone might post "it was way too bright in the room. That ruined things. " At that (hypothetical) point I'd think, did he ask for a correction to be made in the moment? Certain things can easily be remedied with communication. In fact, I can't think of any relationship, no matter how surface or fleeting, that wouldn't benefit from open communication. Do people say "may I please have less of this and more of that?" Or do they say nothing and complain behind the comfort of online anonymity. The best I can figure is that often people react negatively to anything they perceive as criticism and people want to avoid confrontation at all costs, so they say nothing in the moment. I've been told that speaking up can be considered rude. As a native New Yorker I'm used to speaking my mind to solve things. I've read complaints about things that were totally unacceptable, and I would have totally said something in the moment. But evidently, nothing was said during the encounter. Unless. I have to wonder. Maybe things didn't really happen that way. ? Let's hear it for outspoken honesty with kindness from the time the appointment is set to the time to post the review!

[Lomion]

Admin: So I think this is legit under the "Like Beef Lolo?" starter thread rules but if not just delete it and don't count it against me as a first time infraction. Been on this forum (mostly ISG and hell even wsg back when this was all still one site until I lost my account info and can't reset my password as no longer have access to that email address) since nearly the beginning, would hate to lose access.

Going to talk some crap here about two senior members in light of Saki today. As with another monger I was feeling iffy on her not smelling right though was thinking more sting than crap service. So a senior member posts but his post count is so low and my spider senses were so up already and I immediately discounted it but figured would monitor the thread as figured somebody would TOFTT. A bit later another senior member with a respectable minimum amount of posts and a some legitimate looking older reviews posts and that pushes her over into the "lets try her" camp. Both posts vague (which should have raised up more flags than it did) but positive so dove in. I'm going to straight out call the first low count member as a fake account and sales / PR / shill for her and the second member, well I'm not sure his deal and why he wanted to screw the community over like that as that's not why we are here, we are here to help fellow mongers out. He could be a shill but doesn't feel like it given he had a posting history, I can only think given his post about helping with the pictures and her subsequent BP post with the new pictures and phone number he was either taking a cut of the total till in trade for professional services or some other BS anti-mongerly love because nothing else makes sense other than flat out shill like the first member.

You both know who you are, community would be better off without you as not living up to the spirit of this ohana.

[TheVirus]

Hey admin you should change this thread to "mp thoughts and discussions". What happened to the bravado and call outs? Oh and by the way we no longer say things like "what lolo like beef". You should be shot just for saying something like that in public.

If you look back through the thread the name was not my idea.

If you got somebody that needs calling out then do it, at least you would be contributing SOMETHING.

You wasted your biannual post for this?

A2

[Nutmaker]

Hey admin you should change this thread to "mp thoughts and discussions". What happened to the bravado and call outs? Oh and by the way we no longer say things like "what lolo like beef". You should be shot just for saying something like that in public.

If you look back through the thread the name was not my idea.

If you got somebody that needs calling out then do it, at least you would be contributing SOMETHING.

You wasted your biannual post for this?

A2LMFAO at A2.

[Harrywang]

So sad that Ivy didn't realize that these forums are the reason that she was so busy. Some people just hate the hand that feeds them. No clue, (smmfh).Sadly, the hand that feeds them is also the hand that ends up betraying them.

Everything we write here are theoritically evidences. The only best way is to skip town and start the fuck over. It was a good run, and rumor has it they made off with at least a 7 figure. Probably don't need to work for the next decade or so if they are smart about their investment. How to turn the house fee's legit would be a big hassle though, lmao. Unless of course it is used to pay for some government "fine", then mind as well not even start from the very beginning. Regrets? Remorse? Both?

It's a dangerous shady ass business.

"A nail that sticks out will be hammered"

[Mongers Rus]

Sadly, the hand that feeds them is also the hand that ends up betraying them.

Everything we write here are theoritically evidences. The only best way is to skip town and start the fuck over. It was a good run, and rumor has it they made off with at least a 7 figure. Probably don't need to work for the next decade or so if they are smart about their investment. How to turn the house fee's legit would be a big hassle though, lmao. Unless of course it is used to pay for some government "fine", then mind as well not even start from the very beginning. Regrets? Remorse? Both?

It's a dangerous shady ass business.

"A nail that sticks out will be hammered"Would be wise to move on. Look what happened to Apple.

I'm sure her Chinese investors new what they were doing.

Good luck Ivy. Thanks for all the babes!

Rus.

[MuffinStuffer]

Sadly, the hand that feeds them is also the hand that ends up betraying them.

Everything we write here are theoritically evidences. The only best way is to skip town and start the fuck over. It was a good run, and rumor has it they made off with at least a 7 figure. Probably don't need to work for the next decade or so if they are smart about their investment. How to turn the house fee's legit would be a big hassle though, lmao. Unless of course it is used to pay for some government "fine", then mind as well not even start from the very beginning. Regrets? Remorse? Both?

It's a dangerous shady ass business.

"A nail that sticks out will be hammered"Theoretical has nothing to do with law. LE can absolutely not use anything posted here against them. IE a post says a guy had sex with a girl at this establishment. Its not evidence. Thats all nonsense.

[MuffinStuffer]

All warfare is based upon deception.And cryptic messages are often a bluff! Uh let me post something vague and reeking of Sun Tzu and maybe everyone will believe I've got some insider information. Good try though.

[Harrywang]

And cryptic messages are often a bluff! Uh let me post something vague and reeking of Sun Tzu and maybe everyone will believe I've got some insider information. Good try though.They are often a bluff, but not always a bluff.

I gain nothing to pretend to know stuff.

I know it is sad to see a great place like this to close, but stuff hit the fan, and it needs to close.

No need to get emotional or act defensive. I will not argue, but welcome folks with additional info to come forth to share.

As far as I am able to put the various pieces together, it is dead for a long while. Not one week, or two weeks, but good months if years to come.

Cryptic? No, I was merely suggesting to the person I replied to that if mongers can hear the tone of Ivy as worrisome, then it wouldn't be Ivy because she is smart, witty, and very business minded. Thus, the tone will always be, great, business is great, every girl is awesome here.

She wouldn't even let out a fart that shit is about to hit the fan to customers. Don't be so naive.

[Harrywang]

Theoretical has nothing to do with law. LE can absolutely not use anything posted here against them. IE a post says a guy had sex with a girl at this establishment. Its not evidence. Thats all nonsense.On a one to one situation, you are absolutely right. But when you have a witness who works with the LE and claims that shit happened, and then you have online in a forum that shit also happened, it is now a supporting written evidence. The complexity of what charges and what the LE is doing to be able to gain this so called "trumped" up charges are the tactics that has shifted recently.

Unless you lawyer up and defend yourself, which will cost you a pretty dime, and you add in the fact that you have previous criminal records, you stand a very low chance to say, OH, online written shit are all BS, you can't use that against anyone.

One dimensional thinking is dangerous. Okay, I'm being cryptic again. Sorry, that is how I write on matters like this.

[DeepShot]

Nothing I posted is true.

Everything is just my fantasy fuck. I've never even been to an AMP, bar or strip club.

Can't imagine any of the stuff written here actually ever happened. Too good to be true.

I hope to one day enter pass the doors of AMP and meet some of these fantastic women.

[SirRegal]

What's the point of arguing and guessing around? There is absolutely no point to keep on talking about it. The place is CLOSED! Just leave it alone and move on. There are plenty of other places to go to like ReJuve or Happiness.

Don't waste time on something that doesn't exist any more. Guys, find something better to do!

[Harrywang]

What's the point of arguing and guessing around? There is absolutely no point to keep on talking about it. The place is CLOSED! Just leave it alone and move on. There are plenty of other places to go to like ReJuve or Happiness.

Don't waste time on something that doesn't exist any more. Guys, find something better to do!Ah fuck, another joest. Just like the 1221 was closed, people kept on telling me to shut the fuck up.

FYI, people really fucking wonder if empire is closed because there is rumors of another fucking June style raid coming or not. If it true, it is not safe for us. If is not, then biz as usual.

So yes, it fucking means something. And sir regal, I've read countless good reports of the Empire girls reviews from you. At some point in time, (I'm not accusing you), I wondered if you are an arm of Empire's propaganda branch.

If someone was going to contribute, if should be you. But yet, you take the stance to hush the discussions. I'm willing to bet, you were instructed at this point.

Therefore, I am wondering if I should fucking spill the beans of every single thing I know. Don't tempt me.

[SirRegal]

Ah fuck, another joest. Just like the 1221 was closed, people kept on telling me to shut the fuck up.

FYI, people really fucking wonder if empire is closed because there is rumors of another fucking June style raid coming or not. If it true, it is not safe for us. If is not, then biz as usual.

So yes, it fucking means something. And sir regal, I've read countless good reports of the Empire girls reviews from you. At some point in time, (I'm not accusing you), I wondered if you are an arm of Empire's propaganda branch.

If someone was going to contribute, if should be you. But yet, you take the stance to hush the discussions. I'm willing to bet, you were instructed at this point.

Therefore, I am wondering if I should fucking spill the beans of every single thing I know. Don't tempt me.Dude, I go to Top Spa and ReJuve so I'm not working for Empire. Thats hilarious.

[Memahu]

The Empire Strikes Back Again. Whip out your lightsabers.

[Harrywang]

Dude, I go to Top Spa and ReJuve so I'm not working for Empire. Thats hilarious.Oh yea? Your last 25 posts, 20/25 was for Empire. Your last 50 posts was 40/50 about empire. I can go on with your statistics. It is proven that you have an extremely close relationship with Empire. Enough said.

[DJ Quick]

Ah fuck, another joest. Just like the 1221 was closed, people kept on telling me to shut the fuck up.

FYI, people really fucking wonder if empire is closed because there is rumors of another fucking June style raid coming or not. If it true, it is not safe for us. If is not, then biz as usual.

So yes, it fucking means something. And sir regal, I've read countless good reports of the Empire girls reviews from you. At some point in time, (I'm not accusing you), I wondered if you are an arm of Empire's propaganda branch.

If someone was going to contribute, if should be you. But yet, you take the stance to hush the discussions. I'm willing to bet, you were instructed at this point.

Therefore, I am wondering if I should fucking spill the beans of every single thing I know. Don't tempt me.Spill the beans my bradah. Would like to know it too. :).

[MuffinStuffer]

They are often a bluff, but not always a bluff.

I gain nothing to pretend to know stuff.

I know it is sad to see a great place like this to close, but stuff hit the fan, and it needs to close.

No need to get emotional or act defensive. I will not argue, but welcome folks with additional info to come forth to share.

As far as I am able to put the various pieces together, it is dead for a long while. Not one week, or two weeks, but good months if years to come.

Cryptic? No, I was merely suggesting to the person I replied to that if mongers can hear the tone of Ivy as worrisome, then it wouldn't be Ivy because she is smart, witty, and very business minded. Thus, the tone will always be, great, business is great, every girl is awesome here.

She wouldn't even let out a fart that shit is about to hit the fan to customers. Don't be so naive.I could care less if they closed. There are plenty of other venue to utilize. But speculating on why and making stuff up like you are Mr. Secret Agent Man is funny. Naive? I'm Naive because I don't arrive at fantastical conclusions based on nothing? Emotional? No I'm perfectly calm. Defensive? No just calling it like I see it, AKA the bullshit flag. You have nothing to gain materially but just like everything else here its done to entertain. In this case letting on that you are in the know, it entertains you. By letting on that you are in the know in a roundabout way with vague statements and contextually inappropriate quotes. Is cryptic. Again its for your entertainment. There took me 20 seconds to post this, my blood pressure is fine and I'm about to head to my next appointment.

[Candyman2002]

And cryptic messages are often a bluff! Uh let me post something vague and reeking of Sun Tzu and maybe everyone will believe I've got some insider information. Good try though.Just wondering, if a monger posts that he visited and establishment the same day and the records of the establishments video shows that he was there coincide, wouldn't that be pretty good evidence? Not trying to defend anyone, but I don't want to be a fool too! Every establishment has videos, one that you can see and those unseen.

[Harrywang]

I could care less if they closed. There are plenty of other venue to utilize. But speculating on why and making stuff up like you are Mr. Secret Agent Man is funny. Naive? I'm Naive because I don't arrive at fantastical conclusions based on nothing? Emotional? No I'm perfectly calm. Defensive? No just calling it like I see it, AKA the bullshit flag. You have nothing to gain materially but just like everything else here its done to entertain. In this case letting on that you are in the know, it entertains you. By letting on that you are in the know in a roundabout way with vague statements and contextually inappropriate quotes. Is cryptic. Again its for your entertainment. There took me 20 seconds to post this, my blood pressure is fine and I'm about to head to my next appointment.Man, fuck dude. This is a rise and fall of an empire (pun intended). Is it entertaining? It sure fucking is. This is useful gossip that people would want to know. We are talking about the BEST fucking AMP that Honolulu have seen in recent history. It didn't just fucking have a grand exit. It went cold turkey and dropped dead dude! Any motherfucker would wonder why this happened, me included! You even wrote days ago that you literally can stare at the front door of where you live and you did! Don't fucking tell me you didn't care or wondered WTF is going on. There is no moral high ground to take here. Same as you sirregal.

Mr. Secret agent man? I have to admit, I am being cryptic to lure people who know shit to say some stuff. Like someone else said, Ivy fucking was hating this thread. Well, let us all collectively use our brains, WHY?

This thread put Empire on the radar like a be-52 bomber, aka, a BIG ASS TARGET, for us to explore, but also for LE to fucking squash.

If you followed closely to the thread, initially, Ivy also wanted no discussion of the upper floor of the establishment. If you don't know WTF that is, you have never been into the "trusted client list" of Empire.

I really wish I am total BULLSHIT, and Empire comes back to life right now. It was a great fucking establishment. We all loved it. The new girls were like clock work, 1st of the month, BAM, hot sexy beautiful young foxy hoes ready to greet you.

I am saddened. I indeed am. We all should be. But the point of the forum is to discuss. Like someone dies, there is a phase that we all go through. Let me remind everyone.

1) Denial and Isolation. (that was a few days ago)

2) Anger (I sense that some of us are at this stage now).

3) Bargaining (few of us are at this stage as we see the alternative AMPs are just as good).

4) Depression (soon we will regret why didn't we bang wara or lux one more time).

5) Acceptance (I want to see how long this actually takes because not everyone can get to this stage and may never exit the depression phase.).

So, there we go. I hope you enjoyed this semi humor similar to Jon Stewart's style of real humorous news.

[Viet Whisperer]

The Empire Strikes Back Again. Whip out your lightsabers.Guys I would take the argument to the Like Beef thread before the Admin Strikes Back LOL. Use the yellow box at the top of the page as the force! Nice quote Memahu haha.

[DatOneMan]

We could sit and argue about a bunch of things, but the most important question I wonder about is will any other establishment reach the same standards?

As for my last visit there was more a more cautious temperament from Ivy, she wasn't her normal happy self, but I left with the feeling that business would be steady for at least another month. Things change.

[Blake123]

Oh yea? Your last 25 posts, 20/25 was for Empire. Your last 50 posts was 40/50 about empire. I can go on with your statistics. It is proven that you have an extremely close relationship with Empire. Enough said.


Dude, I go to Top Spa and ReJuve so I'm not working for Empire. Thats hilarious.I moved this Empire thread convo to this thread to be on the safe side as I've received too many infractions the past few months (:

I've seen SirRegal's many reviews of girls at various AMPs--not just Empire. SirRegal probably has been the most prolific reviewer of AMP girls in the Honolulu forum going back at least six months. And, he has TOFTT quite a few times times--a lot more than I have! Yes, he posted many reviews of the girls at Empire, but I think that's because he was very satisfied with the level of service the girls provided and found what he liked most in an AMP. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of guys have raved about Empire's quality of service since it's opening in early 2014. Just my 2 cents.

[Lonely Smiles]

Whatever the truth is, I wish Ivy well. I was always treated very well when I visited. In my opinion, Empire maintained a royal standard of service while it was open.

And as far as SirRegal's credibility, I vouch for him. I've received solid intel from him via pm many times, both about Empire and other establishments. He has also provided some nice detailed reports in other threads. Empire just happened to be his favorite, particularly with the Luxx on deck.

[NotAThrowAway]

Man, fuck dude. This is a rise and fall of an empire (pun intended). Is it entertaining? It sure fucking is. This is useful gossip that people would want to know. We are talking about the BEST fucking AMP that Honolulu have seen in recent history. It didn't just fucking have a grand exit. It went cold turkey and dropped dead dude! Any motherfucker would wonder why this happened, me included! You even wrote days ago that you literally can stare at the front door of where you live and you did! Don't fucking tell me you didn't care or wondered WTF is going on. There is no moral high ground to take here. Same as you sirregal.

Mr. Secret agent man? I have to admit, I am being cryptic to lure people who know shit to say some stuff. Like someone else said, Ivy fucking was hating this thread. Well, let us all collectively use our brains, WHY?

This thread put Empire on the radar like a be-52 bomber, aka, a BIG ASS TARGET, for us to explore, but also for LE to fucking squash.

If you followed closely to the thread, initially, Ivy also wanted no discussion of the upper floor of the establishment. If you don't know WTF that is, you have never been into the "trusted client list" of Empire.

I really wish I am total BULLSHIT, and Empire comes back to life right now. It was a great fucking establishment. We all loved it. The new girls were like clock work, 1st of the month, BAM, hot sexy beautiful young foxy hoes ready to greet you.

I am saddened. I indeed am. We all should be. But the point of the forum is to discuss. Like someone dies, there is a phase that we all go through. Let me remind everyone.

1) Denial and Isolation. (that was a few days ago)

2) Anger (I sense that some of us are at this stage now).

3) Bargaining (few of us are at this stage as we see the alternative AMPs are just as good).

4) Depression (soon we will regret why didn't we bang wara or lux one more time).

5) Acceptance (I want to see how long this actually takes because not everyone can get to this stage and may never exit the depression phase.).

So, there we go. I hope you enjoyed this semi humor similar to Jon Stewart's style of real humorous news.Finally someone brought up the 3rd floor treatment. Ahh yes, if you went to the 3rd floor, it would mean a certain number of things: 1) You were an older gentlemen that is a regular that would like some privacy, 2) You're a regular and you go with some friends (there's 4 bedrooms and a TS room on the 3rd floor), 3) You're LE and Ivy knows it 4) You're Chinese or speaks Chinese.

Personally I hate going to the 3rd floor because the beds are too springy to fuck on, but the extra space is pretty nice if you are creative. Generally I get extra time as well.

Since the cat is out of the bag now, I feel like I should share what I know (or what I think I know, take it at face value). Ivy and / or Steven are being watched by Department of Homeland Security, most likely immigration. Steven's is already back in China and I'm assuming Ivy may be following suit.

I could be making all this shit up, so don't blame me if I'm wrong. Just adding fuel to the fire.

[Admin2]

On a one to one situation, you are absolutely right. But when you have a witness who works with the LE and claims that shit happened, and then you have online in a forum that shit also happened, it is now a supporting written evidence. The complexity of what charges and what the LE is doing to be able to gain this so called "trumped" up charges are the tactics that has shifted recently.

Unless you lawyer up and defend yourself, which will cost you a pretty dime, and you add in the fact that you have previous criminal records, you stand a very low chance to say, OH, online written shit are all BS, you can't use that against anyone.

One dimensional thinking is dangerous. Okay, I'm being cryptic again. Sorry, that is how I write on matters like this.


Sadly, the hand that feeds them is also the hand that ends up betraying them.

Everything we write here are theoritically evidences. The only best way is to skip town and start the fuck over. It was a good run, and rumor has it they made off with at least a 7 figure. Probably don't need to work for the next decade or so if they are smart about their investment. How to turn the house fee's legit would be a big hassle though, lmao. Unless of course it is used to pay for some government "fine", then mind as well not even start from the very beginning. Regrets? Remorse? Both?

It's a dangerous shady ass business.

"A nail that sticks out will be hammered"You sir have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Evidence ALWAYS needs to be verified, 100% of the time. There is tons and tons and fucking TONS of case law on point supporting this. Somehow, somewhere LE needs to be able to say, Harrywang is Joe Fucking Blowhardwhotalksalotaboutshithedoesntknow. When it's posted in an interactive forum like this generally speaking they need to come to us and say, "hey who the fuck is Harrywang for reals?" To which we answer, (not like they ever asked) "We have no idea, his email is iluvpussy@iluvpussy.com, that's all we know.

If shit written here could be evidence LE wouldn't wait for you guys to write it they would just register and write it themselves.

A2.

[MuffinStuffer]

Man, fuck dude. This is a rise and fall of an empire (pun intended). Is it entertaining? It sure fucking is. This is useful gossip that people would want to know. We are talking about the BEST fucking AMP that Honolulu have seen in recent history. It didn't just fucking have a grand exit. It went cold turkey and dropped dead dude! Any motherfucker would wonder why this happened, me included! You even wrote days ago that you literally can stare at the front door of where you live and you did! Don't fucking tell me you didn't care or wondered WTF is going on. There is no moral high ground to take here. Same as you sirregal.

Mr. Secret agent man? I have to admit, I am being cryptic to lure people who know shit to say some stuff. Like someone else said, Ivy fucking was hating this thread. Well, let us all collectively use our brains, WHY?

This thread put Empire on the radar like a be-52 bomber, aka, a BIG ASS TARGET, for us to explore, but also for LE to fucking squash.

If you followed closely to the thread, initially, Ivy also wanted no discussion of the upper floor of the establishment. If you don't know WTF that is, you have never been into the "trusted client list" of Empire.

I really wish I am total BULLSHIT, and Empire comes back to life right now. It was a great fucking establishment. We all loved it. The new girls were like clock work, 1st of the month, BAM, hot sexy beautiful young foxy hoes ready to greet you.

I am saddened. I indeed am. We all should be. But the point of the forum is to discuss. Like someone dies, there is a phase that we all go through. Let me remind everyone.

1) Denial and Isolation. (that was a few days ago)

2) Anger (I sense that some of us are at this stage now).

3) Bargaining (few of us are at this stage as we see the alternative AMPs are just as good).

4) Depression (soon we will regret why didn't we bang wara or lux one more time).

5) Acceptance (I want to see how long this actually takes because not everyone can get to this stage and may never exit the depression phase.).

So, there we go. I hope you enjoyed this semi humor similar to Jon Stewart's style of real humorous news.Its a fact and only a fact that I can see the front door from my balcony. I quite often go out to the balcony and its coincidental on most occasions that I notice what is going on down there. You are a John Stewart fan that explains a lot.

[Harrywang]

Whatever the truth is, I wish Ivy well. I was always treated very well when I visited. In my opinion, Empire maintained a royal standard of service while it was open.

And as far as SirRegal's credibility, I vouch for him. I've received solid intel from him via pm many times, both about Empire and other establishments. He has also provided some nice detailed reports in other threads. Empire just happened to be his favorite, particularly with the Luxx on deck.Yea, his intel is solid! I agree very much, he is usually first to bang all the new set of girls. Amazing reporting, and in no way am I saying this guy is a fraud. I think he just loves these young Chinese girls, maybe even to the point he is personally contacting them, I have done that in the past so I know your life can get interested by messaging them. So yes, if people got the impression that I was calling him out as though he is being paid to post, I'm sorry, I didn't mean that.

At sirregal, I was hoping you knew more shit about the situation because you sound like you are almost there like 5 days out of the week or something.

Okay, since the cat is out of the bag, let's get the facts straight.

Some time at the end of July, empire got raided by some fed department which incidently has the same name of a tv show on showtime about some dude that ended as a terrorist and got hung in Iran.

Rumor has it, Ivy was taken in, set on some high bail, paid bail and came out.

[Harrywang]

You sir have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Evidence ALWAYS needs to be verified, 100% of the time. There is tons and tons and fucking TONS of case law on point supporting this. Somehow, somewhere LE needs to be able to say, Harrywang is Joe Fucking Blowhardwhotalksalotaboutshithedoesntknow. When it's posted in an interactive forum like this generally speaking they need to come to us and say, "hey who the fuck is Harrywang for reals?" To which we answer, (not like they ever asked) "We have no idea, his email is iluvpussy@iluvpussy.com, that's all we know.

If shit written here could be evidence LE wouldn't wait for you guys to write it they would just register and write it themselves.

A2.Admin2, I'm not sure if you are the actualy webmaster of this website because the following information will be somewhat technical in nature to explain to you that the government has more than just an email address to pinpoint someone to "verify" who it was that posted online. But, with all due respect, this isn't meant to challenge you in anyway. I just wanted to help some folks out by putting some less known knowledge out into the open about technologies and what we can do to prevent myself. Please do not take my responses to heart.

Okay, lets start with the easy shit. We all use some sort of the internet device to connect to this website. There are usually several things that most people on the internet know, they are probably IP address, MAC address and such. To explain networking, I can start either from the Server side (AKA this website hosting company, or server), or I can start from the User side aka YOU.

Let us start from the user side because that is probably more relevant to you, if you get bored just move on and start jacking off elsewhere, this is for people who is somewhat technical in nature and has a genuine desire to learn about how to be as unidentifable as possible. (there is reason I didn't use anonymous because I feel that is simply impossible).

User has typically two ways, a mobile device (smartphone, tablets, etc.) or a computer (desktop, laptop). All of these will need to connect to either, LAN, wifi, or mobile network to get online. Most likely, you will also connect to a router or hotspot router, and in turn connect you to the internet. I lot of shit happens in the middle on this end already before you even get to the internet, your MAC address is recorded by the router, and for most user MAC address is bound to each individual devices and can identify you. However you can do a MAC spoofing to prevent that, that is low level shit and many people know that.

On a mobile network level, triangulation can be used to identify you down to about 20 meters of your location if the conditions are right. This identifies where you are and at what time. There is no way to prevent that because triagulation is by nature how cell phone towers are used to communicate with your mobile device.

Then, you hop onto the internet and you go through you ISP, then mainframe network, and usually can be as much as like 10-30 jumps, to get to your final destination, I. E this website. All those jumps record who you are, your IP and such in a log that is sometimes called metadata. All these happen without you knowing at the speed of light.

Then, you get the website. Now website, keeps a log, like this website, there is a log going on somewhere in the database. These databases are "secure" to a certain level, but by no means are they hack proof. Since we are talking about hack, I really doubt if there are things that are unhackable in this world. Yes, even computers that are offline from network is hackable as Snowden has shown us in official government slides that he revealed, LOL.

The log has your IP, your time, the pages you accessed, and so on.

Now, government can subpoena such records when approved by a judge during major investigation. If this website is hosting in a country like Russia or China or some other jurisdiction who completely ignores these requests, it is all good, if not, another redbook incident is theoritically possible.

Okay, if you thought, alright I know this shit already what else you got? Here we go into some more lesser known shit.

I mentioned metadata before, well it has come to light to many security researchers that these metadata can identify you across the entire internet.

Instead of me going and explain what it is, I will just link you to wikipedia articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_fingerprint

Basically, your machine that you use tells the world who you are. One of the most surprising is known as canvas fingerprinting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canvas_fingerprinting

What this is basically, a unique metadata that your graphics card draws is send as an indentifier across the internet, which is unique just to your device regardless of what OS you use, or you have cleaned or reinstalled. It is a hardware generated fingerprint that websites use to identify you.

I can go on and on with how to uniquely identify you, and there are ways to counter it. One of the methods I suggest is to use TAILS. But that conversation goes beyond what I intend with this post, just PM for more info.

Okay, so admin2, I hope that you already knew about all of these nasty hidden shit that goes on with the internet and so the LE has more tools than we think to identify us and can put as evidence to court. The problem here is if a case is serious enough to use this, it wouldn't be public knowledge so I have no verifiable data to suggest that these evidences is widely used to prosecute people. However, I rather be safe than sorry, thus for the all the bros out there, keep an open mind please.

P.S. if you ever wonder how in the world does google map or your browser locate you on a desktop or laptop with no GPS chip such accurately? Well, actually it is your surrounding wifi that is given you off. You see there is a world of database of all the router MAC addresses with google and other big search engines and they triangulate the data using your own wifi receiver of your nearby wifi routers and thus display where the fuck you are. if you turn off your wifi receiver and just use LAN, google map cannot know where you are :-)

[Lomion]

The forum is safe the same reason backpage, ter, etc is safe and anybody can walk into a random city knowing nothing and buy drugs within a half hour. It's because deep down everybody knows including the the and LEO that it ain't going away and as long you keep it on the DL nobody cares. WSG been around nearly 20 years IIRC and never heard of a single case outside some Islamic nations where the information was ever used against someone and in even those cases was used against the provider.

Is it a 100%, no. Is it good enough, yes. Sure you could go all out with FDE dedicated monger laptop that only sits at home with 100% tor / i2 p tunnel and spoofing a new MAC randomly while equally paying a homeless dude to get you a new tracphone weekly (and only turning it on when not at home or work) and also pay him to go into libraries and create you a new account daily. Go for it if you want.

Sucks about Empire. Only went once but agree best AMP on island. You can get great service elsewhere but Empire had consistency and fresh girls regularly. The other joints I find tend to have way too many rules, keep them too long, pictures not legit, or cater to not my body type (Empire few place I find that has small tits and skinny). Plus the girls were always clean and eager to please.

Will somebody else step up sure, will it be as good, who knows. The current crop though isn't cutting it.

[Admin2]

Admin2, ... google map cannot know where you are :-)Yes I have a degree in computer science, I know what you're talking about.

However you talk about capabilities and I talk about probabilities.

Your mac address is indeed attached to every packet that leaves your device but this is still protected data. A warrant is needed for the cops to LEGALLY take your data.

We are indeed outside of the USA, both us and our servers.

While nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing is hidden from the NSA, we aren't talking about domestic terrorism here, we are talking about HPD and a misdemeanor prostitution charge. That would be why Silk Road got taken down and after 16 years and 2,000,000 posts nothing on this forum has ever been used as evidence. The shit that you're talking about doesn't come cheap, elite hackers like that are expensive as hell and HPD isn't going to put out the money to get evidence they cannot use because it was ILLEGALLY obtained. What they are going to do is look at BP ads for chicks offering massage that dress really hot, then they are going to stick an undercover outside the MP and see if 99% of the people going in are old fat guys. If they are, then they are going to send an old fat guy in and see if he gets a handie, if he does, then they bust it.

It didn't happen because somebody is following you around running wireshark against your phone.

[HeineHeine]

You sir have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Evidence ALWAYS needs to be verified, 100% of the time. There is tons and tons and fucking TONS of case law on point supporting this. Somehow, somewhere LE needs to be able to say, Harrywang is Joe Fucking Blowhardwhotalksalotaboutshithedoesntknow. When it's posted in an interactive forum like this generally speaking they need to come to us and say, "hey who the fuck is Harrywang for reals?" To which we answer, (not like they ever asked) "We have no idea, his email is iluvpussy@iluvpussy.com, that's all we know.

If shit written here could be evidence LE wouldn't wait for you guys to write it they would just register and write it themselves.

A2.I remarked on someone's post a long time ago and got placed on permanent modification. I didn't cuss or call names, tho I doubt repeating what I did say would help my case at this time. But not knowing, I read responses like this and thot I was in bounds as far as community standards. Now my relevant reviews and bon mots take so long that the topic is already outdated and buried. And that makes me sad. Hh.

[MuffinStuffer]

Yes I have a degree in computer science, I know what you're talking about.

However you talk about capabilities and I talk about probabilities.

Your mac address is indeed attached to every packet that leaves your device but this is still protected data. A warrant is needed for the cops to LEGALLY take your data.

We are indeed outside of the USA, both us and our servers.

While nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing is hidden from the NSA, we aren't talking about domestic terrorism here, we are talking about HPD and a misdemeanor prostitution charge. That would be why Silk Road got taken down and after 16 years and 2,000,000 posts nothing on this forum has ever been used as evidence. The shit that you're talking about doesn't come cheap, elite hackers like that are expensive as hell and HPD isn't going to put out the money to get evidence they cannot use because it was ILLEGALLY obtained. What they are going to do is look at BP ads for chicks offering massage that dress really hot, then they are going to stick an undercover outside the MP and see if 99% of the people going in are old fat guys. If they are, then they are going to send an old fat guy in and see if he gets a handie, if he does, then they bust it.

It didn't happen because somebody is following you around running wireshark against your phone.Precisely. Basically he is a drama queen. Again its entertaining for him. Him knowing about how ISPs can be tracked and how he believes that makes him an expert in criminal law is beyond me.

Digital forensics and prosecution pretty much only will work in a 1 way configuration and then usually only when it comes to terrorism and in some cases child endangerment, to catch a predator types. 1 way configuration being the 1 side is the perp and being lured by LE. Even then it usually ends at a probably cause detention / arrest. People who post of terror related sites most often don't get prosecuted because Speech is Speech. Unless there is something directly tying you to an action its almost never a crime. To catch a predator types always go to the next level where they show up for the meet, sometimes having paraphernalia related to abuse (duct tape, rope, etc) and also sometimes having prior records for the same type of crimes. Now in a 2 way configuration where both sides are conspiring, there is almost nothing you can be caught on. There is no single case on record that used TER, Redbook, USASG, ********* posts as evidence. They have utilized the same for intelligence gathering and stings. That part is positively true.

[MuffinStuffer]

Admin2, I'm not sure if you are the actualy webmaster of this website because the following information will be somewhat technical in nature to explain to you that the government has more than just an email address to pinpoint someone to "verify" who it was that posted online. But, with all due respect, this isn't meant to challenge you in anyway. I just wanted to help some folks out by putting some less known knowledge out into the open about technologies and what we can do to prevent myself. Please do not take my responses to heart.

Okay, lets start with the easy shit. We all use some sort of the internet device to connect to this website. There are usually several things that most people on the internet know, they are probably IP address, MAC address and such. To explain networking, I can start either from the Server side (AKA this website hosting company, or server), or I can start from the User side aka YOU.

Let us start from the user side because that is probably more relevant to you, if you get bored just move on and start jacking off elsewhere, this is for people who is somewhat technical in nature and has a genuine desire to learn about how to be as unidentifable as possible. (there is reason I didn't use anonymous because I feel that is simply impossible).

User has typically two ways, a mobile device (smartphone, tablets, etc.) or a computer (desktop, laptop). All of these will need to connect to either, LAN, wifi, or mobile network to get online. Most likely, you will also connect to a router or hotspot router, and in turn connect you to the internet. I lot of shit happens in the middle on this end already before you even get to the internet, your MAC address is recorded by the router, and for most user MAC address is bound to each individual devices and can identify you. However you can do a MAC spoofing to prevent that, that is low level shit and many people know that.

On a mobile network level, triangulation can be used to identify you down to about 20 meters of your location if the conditions are right. This identifies where you are and at what time. There is no way to prevent that because triagulation is by nature how cell phone towers are used to communicate with your mobile device.

Then, you hop onto the internet and you go through you ISP, then mainframe network, and usually can be as much as like 10-30 jumps, to get to your final destination, I. E this website. All those jumps record who you are, your IP and such in a log that is sometimes called metadata. All these happen without you knowing at the speed of light.

Then, you get the website. Now website, keeps a log, like this website, there is a log going on somewhere in the database. These databases are "secure" to a certain level, but by no means are they hack proof. Since we are talking about hack, I really doubt if there are things that are unhackable in this world. Yes, even computers that are offline from network is hackable as Snowden has shown us in official government slides that he revealed, LOL.

The log has your IP, your time, the pages you accessed, and so on.

Now, government can subpoena such records when approved by a judge during major investigation. If this website is hosting in a country like Russia or China or some other jurisdiction who completely ignores these requests, it is all good, if not, another redbook incident is theoritically possible.

Okay, if you thought, alright I know this shit already what else you got? Here we go into some more lesser known shit.

I mentioned metadata before, well it has come to light to many security researchers that these metadata can identify you across the entire internet.

Instead of me going and explain what it is, I will just link you to wikipedia articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_fingerprint

Basically, your machine that you use tells the world who you are. One of the most surprising is known as canvas fingerprinting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canvas_fingerprinting

What this is basically, a unique metadata that your graphics card draws is send as an indentifier across the internet, which is unique just to your device regardless of what OS you use, or you have cleaned or reinstalled. It is a hardware generated fingerprint that websites use to identify you.

I can go on and on with how to uniquely identify you, and there are ways to counter it. One of the methods I suggest is to use TAILS. But that conversation goes beyond what I intend with this post, just PM for more info.

Okay, so admin2, I hope that you already knew about all of these nasty hidden shit that goes on with the internet and so the LE has more tools than we think to identify us and can put as evidence to court. The problem here is if a case is serious enough to use this, it wouldn't be public knowledge so I have no verifiable data to suggest that these evidences is widely used to prosecute people. However, I rather be safe than sorry, thus for the all the bros out there, keep an open mind please.

P.S. if you ever wonder how in the world does google map or your browser locate you on a desktop or laptop with no GPS chip such accurately? Well, actually it is your surrounding wifi that is given you off. You see there is a world of database of all the router MAC addresses with google and other big search engines and they triangulate the data using your own wifi receiver of your nearby wifi routers and thus display where the fuck you are. if you turn off your wifi receiver and just use LAN, google map cannot know where you are :-)You give LE way too much credit. You are generally full of shit. Its pretty clear you don't understand how LE and Prosecutorial Bodies operate.

[MuffinStuffer]

Yea, his intel is solid! I agree very much, he is usually first to bang all the new set of girls. Amazing reporting, and in no way am I saying this guy is a fraud. I think he just loves these young Chinese girls, maybe even to the point he is personally contacting them, I have done that in the past so I know your life can get interested by messaging them. So yes, if people got the impression that I was calling him out as though he is being paid to post, I'm sorry, I didn't mean that.

At sirregal, I was hoping you knew more shit about the situation because you sound like you are almost there like 5 days out of the week or something.

Okay, since the cat is out of the bag, let's get the facts straight.

Some time at the end of July, empire got raided by some fed department which incidently has the same name of a tv show on showtime about some dude that ended as a terrorist and got hung in Iran.

Rumor has it, Ivy was taken in, set on some high bail, paid bail and came out.See the Showtime show title fluff that you add is a buffer that you don't realize you create and it always equals bullshit. When someone is making a story up they always try to give additional details that 'distract to vindicate'. Pretty typical of juvenile fish stories.

[Admin2]

I remarked on someone's post a long time ago and got placed on permanent modification. I didn't cuss or call names, tho I doubt repeating what I did say would help my case at this time. But not knowing, I read responses like this and thot I was in bounds as far as community standards. Now my relevant reviews and bon mots take so long that the topic is already outdated and buried. And that makes me sad. Hh.The difference being that I told Harry he didn't know what he was saying on a designated fight thread. I also did not post it in blue so it was just me the guy, not the mod talking, Harry is 100% free to call me a fucking idiot in return if he wishes to. There are no reviews here, this is where you take shit like that, you didn't, you didn't do it more than once, now you're moderated.

If it seems complicated think of it like this. If we are both members of a boxing gym and we climb into the ring at the gym and flail away at each other and I bust your nose, I'm not going to jail. However, if we are both members of that same gym and I see you at a coffee shop and punch you in the nose, well then it's off to the grey bar hotel.

A2

[ShaggyDoo]

Yea, his intel is solid! I agree very much, he is usually first to bang all the new set of girls. Amazing reporting, and in no way am I saying this guy is a fraud. I think he just loves these young Chinese girls, maybe even to the point he is personally contacting them, I have done that in the past so I know your life can get interested by messaging them. So yes, if people got the impression that I was calling him out as though he is being paid to post, I'm sorry, I didn't mean that.

At sirregal, I was hoping you knew more shit about the situation because you sound like you are almost there like 5 days out of the week or something.

Okay, since the cat is out of the bag, let's get the facts straight.

Some time at the end of July, empire got raided by some fed department which incidently has the same name of a tv show on showtime about some dude that ended as a terrorist and got hung in Iran.

Rumor has it, Ivy was taken in, set on some high bail, paid bail and came out.That department also covers, immigration. There's a big difference in charges if Vanilla or Hapa Jasmine gets busted, then young little "Mai I Fuk you" that's only here on a tourist VISA. Ones a local misdemeanor, and the other is a. You get my drift.

[HeineHeine]

The difference being that I told Harry he didn't know what he was saying on a designated fight thread. I also did not post it in blue so it was just me the guy, not the mod talking, Harry is 100% free to call me a fucking idiot in return if he wishes to. There are no reviews here, this is where you take shit like that, you didn't, you didn't do it more than once, now you're moderated.

If it seems complicated think of it like this. If we are both members of a boxing gym and we climb into the ring at the gym and flail away at each other and I bust your nose, I'm not going to jail. However, if we are both members of that same gym and I see you at a coffee shop and punch you in the nose, well then it's off to the grey bar hotel.

A2Well message recieved. On another note, I thank you for this forum because it has saved me much frustration and money, wasted time. The group doesn't have to repeat the same mistakes and it keeps a checks and balances on ripoff artists. Me and my brother got ripped off / bait and switched in Vegas many, many years ago. I thank God that he didn't escalate the situation at the time, and that fancy pro will never no what a beast my bro can be. Never underestimate someone when money and ego / pride is involved. " once the money's in my hand, it don't go back" and even better "I can call my guy right now, do you guys want to deal with him?" this ripoff girl had ice water in her veins, if she was scared she never showed it. And at least I got a fun story to tell out of the event. Anywho, your forum helps prevent that shit, so thanks. Hh.

[Bikini]

Why wasn't this in the news? Why isn't Kathryn Xian talking about it?

[Lomion]

Why wasn't this in the news? Why isn't Kathryn Xian talking about it?Will if it really happened most likely because political hay is rarely made off Federal raids into mom and pop shops. Nobody gets votes for "Small local minority female owned business raided by Federal agency for supposed accounting and tax filing irregularities".

CC makes news because it was both the locals and lot of shops. BP stings make news because BP for under microscope. Nobody really cares about Empire other than us and tax accountants.

[MuffinStuffer]

Why wasn't this in the news? Why isn't Kathryn Xian talking about it?Well it could very well be that they just closed on their own. Or it could be they are temporarily closed, who knows. I haven't seen anything but hypothetical fantasy as yet. Theres one thing about ICE that anyone who knows anything knows. An ICE raid in Waikiki let alone downtown Honolulu would be all over the news. It also most likely wouldn't be at one establishment. ICE doesn't target 1 person /1 place at a time. Because they know all their other targets will go to ground. Well no body else is getting busted and no body else is even going into hiding. Some of the well established houses and new ones as well have very smart wired in mamas / owners and you can trust in their actions that they would know if something is going on, just like they did last time. ICE is very public about its successes. One secret raid on one place makes no sense. Others that know Ivy as well as I have can chime in to but, I am fairly certain Ivy was naturalized. I believe she initially left China for school in Canada then went to the US and has been a citizen for quite some time. Many of the girls especialy recently were for sure not on Visas too. Luxx, Wara, Nana, Rachel, Sayumi, Amy, Sugar and more all have green cards. Not a very juicy target for ICE. All this talk of Homeland Security is bullshit.

[Poofie]

Well it could very well be that they just closed on their own. Or it could be they are temporarily closed, who knows. I haven't seen anything but hypothetical fantasy as yet. Theres one thing about ICE that anyone who knows anything knows. An ICE raid in Waikiki let alone downtown Honolulu would be all over the news. It also most likely wouldn't be at one establishment. ICE doesn't target 1 person /1 place at a time. Because they know all their other targets will go to ground. Well no body else is getting busted and no body else is even going into hiding. Some of the well established houses and new ones as well have very smart wired in mamas / owners and you can trust in their actions that they would know if something is going on, just like they did last time. ICE is very public about its successes. One secret raid on one place makes no sense. Others that know Ivy as well as I have can chime in to but, I am fairly certain Ivy was naturalized. I believe she initially left China for school in Canada then went to the US and has been a citizen for quite some time. Many of the girls especialy recently were for sure not on Visas too. Luxx, Wara, Nana, Rachel, Sayumi, Amy, Sugar and more all have green cards. Not a very juicy target for ICE. All this talk of Homeland Security is bullshit.Could be unhhappy john. Tho unlikely. But lets continue with this from left field. Unhappy john reports drugs at said place. And fed agency lets say dea comes by for a visit.

Its happened before and probly won't be the last. I'm personally hopin that's the case and the empire cums and strikes back.

[Bikini]

Could be unhhappy john. Tho unlikely. But lets continue with this from left field. Unhappy john reports drugs at said place. And fed agency lets say dea comes by for a visit.

Its happened before and probly won't be the last. I'm personally hopin that's the case and the empire cums and strikes back.That's plausable. There were reports that she was refusing newbies. So Unhappy Newby decides "If can't get in, nobody gets in".

[Poofie]

ATF. For operating a bar without a license LOL.

[InHawaii]

As we can speculate for the foreseeable future as to why Empire at the moment is unavailable, perhaps another approach is in order. If the current situation had anything to do with the forum, Feds, unhappy customer only Ivy knows for sure. Instead of guessing or worse engaging in bilge, how about embracing what was. A great collection of wonderful women that gave above and beyond incredible service on a consistent basis. A owner who did her part to make sure our experiences were great. I myself will be agog that this experience will someday return. Until then, I will revel in the fantastic memories and mental pictures of the beautiful women it was my pleasure to meet. Not trying to be discommodious, just giving my opinion.

[MidgetMac87]

If Empire is gone then farewell. Some other place will come and replace it. No skin off of anyones back really. Let's just be happy that Empire, IMHO, caused some of the other AMP's to up their game. Other than that, not going to really miss the place. Steve was a cool dude though.

[HapaBoy86]

Why wasn't this in the news? Why isn't Kathryn Xian talking about it?Jeez, I hate this ***** trapped in a kane body!

Hopefully, her girlfriend keeps her on a leash away from the tv!

[Smokin Gun]

Empire will go down in history as one of the best Hawaii has ever seen. Wow. So I can name Hula Hands, New Yorker, and now Empire.

[Blake123]

Empire will go down in history as one of the best Hawaii has ever seen. Wow. So I can name Hula Hands, New Yorker, and now Empire.That pretty much sums it up. All three good, but Hula Hands was the bomb, IMHO. Really nothing quite like it since then.

[Surfbreak]

If Empire is gone then farewell. Some other place will come and replace it. No skin off of anyones back really. Let's just be happy that Empire, IMHO, caused some of the other AMP's to up their game. Other than that, not going to really miss the place. Steve was a cool dude though.Agreed. Steve was a cool guy. But IMHO, Empire was a YMMV kind of place. Sayonara, arrivaderci, aloha and good bye Empire. Lots of other great options out there.

[NightWing24]

Damn man! This convo got heated. Its never a good when something like this goes away, but it was one helluva ride. This comes from a guy who didn't favor Empire, but Steve was a cool MFkn dude & Sunny was the best I ever had there (guess I got to keep an eye out since she said she would make a comeback, we'll haveta see where at or at all) I missed out on a few good ones (Sugar & Selena when the getting was good). My opinion, I think it probably was a disgruntled newbie who blew the whistle w / a phony reason, thus giving HPD a reason. Fact: Mama Ivy did start turning away newbs. So it could happen.

All we mongers can do is speculate w / a grain of salt because those who know, seems like they rather not talk about it. On the bright side, Empire really did up the ante. Give it a few months, maybe Ivy & Co. Will turn up elsewhere.

[DatOneMan]

Agreed. Steve was a cool guy. But IMHO, Empire was a YMMV kind of place. Sayonara, arrivaderci, aloha and good bye Empire. Lots of other great options out there.I rarely had a bad experience there, maybe once if I really look back and it would be addressed and wasn't a problem any following time. That's one of the things that made Empire as good of a place as it was. I still think it was one of the best of last year.

[AdventureKing]

Since RicoSuave closed down the Empire thread, and postings of Empire is continuing here, I'd like to post my thoughts here. I know I'm late to the dinner table, and only found out about Empire's closing.

Yesterday. While browsing through BP last night, I was thinking to myself "hmmm, strange, how come no ads for Empire?" None for two days ago, and none for even last week time period.

I have to say that I am deeply saddened by the sudden closure.

I usually don't have a favorite place that I frequent, and usually go to various AMP's in town. However, Empire really did grab me, and I really liked the chicks there, esp my time with Layla, Sugar and the last one, w / Joy.

It's this strange feeling of sadness and shock that I am feeling right now. Kind of like how your good friend at school or at your workplace suddenly doesn't show up to work, and is no longer on the work schedule. Or your best.

Friend in school all of a sudden dis-enrolls from school because his parents got divorced, and suddenly moved out of town. You have no way of contacting your friend because he disconnected his phone number, or you don't have any contact info. You're just left with the "WTF?" feeling.

Anyhow, I would like to thank uncle Steve for the great service he's provided me with his chicks at Empire. I only saw mama Ivy twice, so I didn't really know her that well. Plus she would have a semi-sour faced expression when I entered their business.

But Steve usually shook my hands, and.

Always asked me if the service was great, offered me cups of water, and thanked me for being a client.

No other AMP's was as courteous as Steve was.

I don't know what happened, and probably you guys know more about the reason for the sudden closure.

I am also upset, because I was going to pay them a visit next week. Now, that's over.

Just my 2 cents.

[AdventureKing]

An ICE raid in Waikiki let alone downtown Honolulu would be all over the news. It also most likely wouldn't be at one establishment. ICE doesn't target 1 person /1 place at a time. Because they know all their other targets will go to ground. Yeah, I doubt it was an ICE raid, as ICE usually works with HPD LEO's, and usually busts never shuts down a business.

I remember, hmmm, maybe six or seven years ago that there was a raid on the old former Ward 3-plexes, HPD and ICE arrested some of the girls, but the AMP business went on. So I doubt Empire's sudden closure / departure was due to a raid.

But I don't know. Seems like brothers like the Admin, HarryWang and SirRegal knows a lot more behind the scene stuff.

[SlimGuy619]

So Empire was my exclusive place to go. With all the talk of it closing down, what are some worthy alternatives? Any places that offer service remotely comparable to Empire? MSOG, CIM, COF, ect.

[Spartacus77]

So Empire was my exclusive place to go. With all the talk of it closing down, what are some worthy alternatives? Any places that offer service remotely comparable to Empire? MSOG, CIM, COF, ect.No there are not. That's why we are so pissed and broken-hearted. Lower your standards, like way lower, and you may find a few providers, here and there, who might be reasonable alternatives.

[Uki Eater]

If Empire is gone then farewell. Some other place will come and replace it. No skin off of anyones back really. Let's just be happy that Empire, IMHO, caused some of the other AMP's to up their game. Other than that, not going to really miss the place. Steve was a cool dude though.Never did go Empire. I thought Joy looked cute but, couldn't find parking and just gave up.

[Makiki]

Empire will go down in history as one of the best Hawaii has ever seen. Wow. So I can name Hula Hands, New Yorker, and now Empire.Yup, was just thinking that New Yorker been gone over a decade and it was missed, then empire came up. You can't please 100% of the people and empire didn't. For those that loved empire did so for what was standard at empire was extra and rare at other places.

[Memahu]

Empire? It was just a dream. Wake up. Why is he smiling in his sleep?

[Harrywang]

Since RicoSuave closed down the Empire thread, and postings of Empire is continuing here, I'd like to post my thoughts here. I know I'm late to the dinner table, and only found out about Empire's closing.

Yesterday. While browsing through BP last night, I was thinking to myself "hmmm, strange, how come no ads for Empire?" None for two days ago, and none for even last week time period.

I have to say that I am deeply saddened by the sudden closure.

I usually don't have a favorite place that I frequent, and usually go to various AMP's in town. However, Empire really did grab me, and I really liked the chicks there, esp my time with Layla, Sugar and the last one, w / Joy.

It's this strange feeling of sadness and shock that I am feeling right now. Kind of like how your good friend at school or at your workplace suddenly doesn't show up to work, and is no longer on the work schedule. Or your best.

Friend in school all of a sudden dis-enrolls from school because his parents got divorced, and suddenly moved out of town. You have no way of contacting your friend because he disconnected his phone number, or you don't have any contact info. You're just left with the "WTF?" feeling.

Anyhow, I would like to thank uncle Steve for the great service he's provided me with his chicks at Empire. I only saw mama Ivy twice, so I didn't really know her that well. Plus she would have a semi-sour faced expression when I entered their business.

But Steve usually shook my hands, and.

Always asked me if the service was great, offered me cups of water, and thanked me for being a client.

No other AMP's was as courteous as Steve was.

I don't know what happened, and probably you guys know more about the reason for the sudden closure.

I am also upset, because I was going to pay them a visit next week. Now, that's over.

Just my 2 cents.FUCK, I miss Empire already. FUCK. , I just got over losing Mayflower and now Empire. Where the fuck do I place my rock solid hairy penis?

The bar was set so damn high, I don't know if anyone can beat it at this point. It is like that Men's 100M sprint. Once you hit under 10seconds, the World Record gets harder to harder to beat. Once a decade like wonderful service is what Empire gave. She had it down in a system. A well oiled machine. Truly painful to see it disappear..............Good times, good memories..............

[Blake123]

Not meaning to disrespect anyone here but, with Empire's demise, some are acting like it's the end of the world as we know it. Get out there and explore. There are many very good girls at the other AMPs and, believe it or not, many are better in the sex department than some of those Empire girls--in my experience. BTW, for the Lux and Wara fans, both of them provided the very same service described in your Empire reviews when they were at Hula Girl last year, so what you got with them at Empire wasn't really just an Empire thing. Both of these girls just love to fuck no matter where they are working at. I am betting both will be back here on Oahu.

[Goser]

Not meaning to disrespect anyone here but, with Empire's demise, some are acting like it's the end of the world as we know it. Get out there and explore. There are many very good girls at the other AMPs and, believe it or not, many are better in the sex department than some of those Empire girls--in my experience. BTW, for the Lux and Wara fans, both of them provided the very same service described in your Empire reviews when they were at Hula Girl last year, so what you got with them at Empire wasn't really just an Empire thing. Both of these girls just love to fuck no matter where they are working at. I am betting both will be back here on Oahu.I agree. Maybe they will go to Happiness where they have the good facilities that will enable them to do their thing.

[StripedFashion]

Not meaning to disrespect anyone here but, with Empire's demise, some are acting like it's the end of the world as we know it. Get out there and explore. There are many very good girls at the other AMPs and, believe it or not, many are better in the sex department than some of those Empire girls--in my experience. BTW, for the Lux and Wara fans, both of them provided the very same service described in your Empire reviews when they were at Hula Girl last year, so what you got with them at Empire wasn't really just an Empire thing. Both of these girls just love to fuck no matter where they are working at. I am betting both will be back here on Oahu.Totally agree with you, brother about going to explore and find new gold elsewhere. But like the also defunct Volcano Girls agency, Empire was the one stop shop for a good bunch of us. A lot put their eggs into that one basket. In fact, it was the only place I really mongered last year. My first year in the AMP scene. I tried to go back to (my longest time favorite sno-bunnie) escorts and no where near the same as Ivy's. I also remember doing weeks of research here on the forum before I narrowed it down to Empire. The slump in the escort scene did compel me to move into foreign waters.

I used to thrive on TOFFT escort mongering back in the day but not so much now. AMP convert now. But to find that gold, off into foreign waters once again! I also admit I miss banging hot white girls.

[Bobb Sledd]

One thing people have to understand is that it is an endangered species. Same for trying to preserve the rainforest / bushes even pubic hair bushes or ecosystem important for around us. Or even if someone killed your dog or loved one. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy about that.To paraphrase the genius below (who doesn't think a dentist is a doctor) "get the facts"; African Lions are not listed under the Endangered Species Act. By the way, the formal title of a dentist is Doctor of Dental Surgery. Get the facts!


The guy was a dentist not a doctor. Do your research get the facts. One lion in fucking Africa of all places isn't hurting the fucking ecosystem. Feel free to hug all the lions you can and report how cute and cuddly they are.

[Admin2]

Perhaps YOU have missed the name: "News & Media Reports" re. Meeting Women & having sex with these women.

I would really appreciate the focus remain on that.

Talk about that other stuff elsewhere.

Reasonable request??

'Nuff said by me. I'm out.

Thanks to the other members focused on Women & the pursuit of them hotties.

Be Safe,

Insatiable808.I moved this to the appropriate thread.

You have been a member here for a long time how can you not know this? We have review threads and social threads. Those guys are talking about something in the NEWS, the name of the thread isn't Meeting Women and Having Sex, it's News and Media reports, so and I know this will be tough for you, it's logical to assume that the thread is for talking about things in the, wait for it, NEWS and MEDIA.

We have threads like that so the review threads (they usually have the word REVIEW in them) stay focused on pussy.

So, until Jax decides you should be an admin, perhaps, and again I'm just spitballing here, maybe, in the future if you have an issue like that you might bring it to me and ask me. Then you don't have to try and show what a tough guy you are only to be embarrassed later for being about as wrong as you can be.

A2.

[Insatiable808]

I moved this to the appropriate thread.

You have been a member here for a long time how can you not know this? We have review threads and social threads. Those guys are talking about something in the NEWS, the name of the thread isn't Meeting Women and Having Sex, it's News and Media reports, so and I know this will be tough for you, it's logical to assume that the thread is for talking about things in the, wait for it, NEWS and MEDIA.

We have threads like that so the review threads (they usually have the word REVIEW in them) stay focused on pussy.

So, until Jax decides you should be an admin, perhaps, and again I'm just spitballing here, maybe, in the future if you have an issue like that you might bring it to me and ask me. Then you don't have to try and show what a tough guy you are only to be embarrassed later for being about as wrong as you can be.

A2.Tough Guy??

For wanting to keep the subject on pussy??

Tread carefully.

Name calling is the lowest form of communication.

You've done, done it now.

Peace Out.

[HapaBoy86]

Not meaning to disrespect anyone here but, with Empire's demise, some are acting like it's the end of the world as we know it. Get out there and explore. I totally agree. There are several other locations with wonderful girl. Some may be mo bettah!

[Bradda Aces]

There can only be 3 reasons why Empire closed. Keep in mind this is in no particular order. 1. Imigration regulations. I tend to agree with other braddas who said we would've heard about it in the news. I mean see'Mon. Illegal immigrants providing sex for cash in the middle of Waikiki. All the Hawaii news channels would've covered that! Also it wasn't just a regular raid cause as we all know, these places open shortly after raids and all the cases were thrown out anyway. 2. Building management. Similar to CC, maybe tenants complained too much and the owner had to kick Ivy out. While this scenario is possible, Ivy would've had advanced notice and she would've let her regulars know. 3. Korean influence. Who would benefit most from Empire closing? All the other AMPs! Most other AMPs are Korean run and are backed by people we know nothing about. These people could've taken action and forced Ivy to shut down. For those who went to Empire right before they closed, did you notice those hi-res, motion activated cameras in the stairway and at the front door? Those were new and expensive so obviously Ivy wanted a close watch of who's coming. I think Empire closed due to one of these reasons but alas, I'm in the dark as much as the rest of you.

[Admin2]

Tough Guy??

For wanting to keep the subject on pussy??

Tread carefully.

Name calling is the lowest form of communication.

You've done, done it now.

Peace Out.I thought you might have difficulty comprehending what I wrote so I kept it simple. I can see I was correct in assuming that because you are doing nothing but repeating your party line without making reference to my counter argument.

I admit it showed a lot of temerity to challenge me so directly publicly considering my record for crushing the very will to live out of others that have tried in the past. Before we elevate this past casual jabs here's a thought for you. When you are involved in an argument or debate if you wish to proffer a rebuttal, it's generally considered good form to comment on the substance of the other parties argument. All you have done here is offer a fallacious argument knows as Proof by Assertion.

Go get your dictionary so you can figure out what I said, I eagerly await your response.

A2.

[Insatiable808]

I thought you might have difficulty comprehending what I wrote so I kept it simple. I can see I was correct in assuming that because you are doing nothing but repeating your party line without making reference to my counter argument.

I admit it showed a lot of temerity to challenge me so directly publicly considering my record for crushing the very will to live out of others that have tried in the past. Before we elevate this past casual jabs here's a thought for you. When you are involved in an argument or debate if you wish to proffer a rebuttal, it's generally considered good form to comment on the substance of the other parties argument. All you have done here is offer a fallacious argument knows as Proof by Assertion.

Go get your dictionary so you can figure out what I said, I eagerly await your response.

A2.Someone LOVES the sound of his own voice, no??

STFU awreddy!!

Sincerely,

I808.

Nice, switching from Proof by Assertion to Ad Hominem, still waiting for something substantial. Guess it's going to be a long wait.

You realize that all you're really saying is you have nothing intelligent to say right?

Might want to quit while you still only look like half a doofus.

Just saying,

A2

[Goser]

Someone LOVES the sound of his own voice, no??

STFU awreddy!!

Sincerely,

I808.

Nice, switching from Proof by Assertion to Ad Hominem, still waiting for something substantial. Guess it's going to be a long wait.

You realize that all you're really saying is you have nothing intelligent to say right?

Might want to quit while you still only look like half a doofus.

Just saying,

A2Come on, you pussy. Fight back with some balls. He is kicking yo ass.

[Admin2]

Come on, you pussy. Fight back with some balls. He is kicking yo ass.It's kinda what I do.

[AllNuts]

Yup, was just thinking that New Yorker been gone over a decade and it was missed, then empire came up. You can't please 100% of the people and empire didn't. For those that loved empire did so for what was standard at empire was extra and rare at other places.I still got the sign, the one that was over the door from New Yorker. LOL.

[Makiki]

I still got the sign, the one that was over the door from New Yorker. LOL.Wow, I should get my empire memorabilia such as one of the room chair, CD player, or the table shower itself.

[Johnny14]

It's kinda what I do.Can't allow to be spanked, unless that turns him on?

[DeepShot]

Empire was hype. Average looking skinny girls who were passed off as much younger than they were. Good service by most, but had plenty losers too. BBFS was had by many too, which blinded dicks to thinking the girls were pretty, LOL.

Was a nice run. It was good to get BBBJ and some BBFS with younger looking pros. No shortage of better looking pros around today. Have to hunt for the BBFS younger ones, but they are out there.

[MongerZ]

Empire was hype. Average looking skinny girls who were passed off as much younger than they were. Good service by most, but had plenty losers too. BBFS was had by many too, which blinded dicks to thinking the girls were pretty, LOL.

Was a nice run. It was good to get BBBJ and some BBFS with younger looking pros. No shortage of better looking pros around today. Have to hunt for the BBFS younger ones, but they are out there.I walked by earlier today on my way to the Makino buffet where the old Todai's was. Saw a sign up saying rooms were for rent. But when I was leaving, I saw a young kid making out with a sexy tanned Korean on the left lawn in front. She had her back toward me so I couldn't tell if I knew her.

[MongerZ]

Yeah, I doubt it was an ICE raid, as ICE usually works with HPD LEO's, and usually busts never shuts down a business.

I remember, hmmm, maybe six or seven years ago that there was a raid on the old former Ward 3-plexes, HPD and ICE arrested some of the girls, but the AMP business went on. So I doubt Empire's sudden closure / departure was due to a raid.

But I don't know. Seems like brothers like the Admin, HarryWang and SirRegal knows a lot more behind the scene stuff.I miss that Whoreplex up there at Ward. I had good times and memories up there. I think I went to Golden Queen / Pink the most and sometimes Rappongi. The quick turn up the stairs was all it took til I was in another world! Oh yeah I'm in the "Like Beef Lolo" thread. Ok, all you guys suck for oofing my chicks! LOL.

[DrMajikLuv69]

You should of hot the can of air fresher used as a door stop or the broom. LOL.

I'm going to miss that place. The beverages before and after we're nice too; no other AMP gives out beverages other than just water, but going to Empire was NOT only for the beverages. They had the girls with the right Looks / Attitude / and Service!!


Wow, I should get my empire memorabilia such as one of the room chair, CD player, or the table shower itself.

[Nutmaker]

WTF? Does anybody search for a provider before asking if she's legit or how is she? Just venting, I already know the answer, but some of the biggest offenders are senior members. SMMFH.

[Lomion]

WTF? Does anybody search for a provider before asking if she's legit or how is she? Just venting, I already know the answer, but some of the biggest offenders are senior members. SMMFH.Well the problem is multifold:

1: A lot of the girls change names like pants so often folk recognize them from the picture only.

2: A lot of name repeats that aren't the same girl. How many Yuri, Yuli, Happy, etc have we had.

3: The search functionality sucks big time on here. It's limited to once a minute when you typo, it's hard to narrow down to subforums, the default save preferences don't seem to work (at least for me), and you get connection timeout database errors all the time. Serious if I go immediately to the top right and type "Mindy" (without clicking advanced and I know I have my search preferences set to save Honolulu) I get 151 results as far as way of England.

Really what we need TBH is a thread / subforum called "411" or something where folk can post there "anybody know this girl" so they don't clutter up the standard threads. Well that and fix the search function.

[JSon808]

WTF? Does anybody search for a provider before asking if she's legit or how is she? Just venting, I already know the answer, but some of the biggest offenders are senior members. SMMFH.I don't think there is anything wrong with a member asking another member how a certain provider looked / serviced / etc. That provider may have been on the scene for only a couple of days or weeks. Yes she may have a couple reviews but that's only a few guys out of the many more that she has seen. Everyone's experience with the same provider isn't going to be the same. With all of the choices we have right now, some mongers use this forum as a tool to decide on who they want to see and who they will pass on. The more information the better imo.

But if they are asking about well reviewed providers who have been around for a while, then I will have to agree with you.

[Slide Hammer]

Empire was hype. Average looking skinny girls who were passed off as much younger than they were. Good service by most, but had plenty losers too. BBFS was had by many too, which blinded dicks to thinking the girls were pretty, LOL.

Was a nice run. It was good to get BBBJ and some BBFS with younger looking pros. No shortage of better looking pros around today. Have to hunt for the BBFS younger ones, but they are out there.LOL. Solid post.

I know I don't post here enough to complain but is the brother talk (ie, brother "john") here creeping anyone else besides me? What is this place now? The order of grand poobahs or something? I can do without the fraternal talk.

[H Mobius]

LOL. Solid post.

I know I don't post here enough to complain but is the brother talk (ie, brother "john") here creeping anyone else besides me? What is this place now? The order of grand poobahs or something? I can do without the fraternal talk.When I first joined, members extended courtesy and respect to one another, occasionally addressing or referring to known trusted members by the title "Brother". Some members were even referred to as "Master".

There was no fight thread nor was there a need. The gentlemen knew how to behave themselves while guests in another man's 'house'.

[ClintonPortis]

When I first joined, members extended courtesy and respect to one another, occasionally addressing or referring to known trusted members by the title "Brother". Some members were even referred to as "Master".

There was no fight thread nor was there a need. The gentlemen knew how to behave themselves while guests in another man's 'house'.I wish the "brother" mongers you refer to would show some REAL courtesy and respect by not engaging in high risk behaviors with prostitutes like BBFS, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, etc.

Addressing each other as "brothers" and "masters" is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant. What is REAL respect and courtesy is wrapping yourself up so you protect the health and safety of your "brothers" and "masters". Now, that is real quantifiable and concrete ACTION that you can take to actually SHOW respect, not just TALK about it.

If you are one of the considerate mongers that actually takes steps like using condoms and dams and refusing BB and DFK services, then I salute you. If not, you're just as much of if not MORE of a problem than the so called "disrespectful" mongers you imply are not behaving in another man's "house".

[Viet Whisperer]

I wish the "brother" mongers you refer to would show some REAL courtesy and respect by not engaging in high risk behaviors with prostitutes like BBFS, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, etc.

Addressing each other as "brothers" and "masters" is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant. What is REAL respect and courtesy is wrapping yourself up so you protect the health and safety of your "brothers" and "masters". Now, that is real quantifiable and concrete ACTION that you can take to actually SHOW respect, not just TALK about it.

If you are one of the considerate mongers that actually takes steps like using condoms and dams and refusing BB and DFK services, then I salute you. If not, you're just as much of if not MORE of a problem than the so called "disrespectful" mongers you imply are not behaving in another man's "house".I squirted some semen into a latex receptacle last night so you should all feel more respected this morning according to this argument. Can you feel it? Can you quantify it?

[H Mobius]

I wish the "brother" mongers you refer to would show some REAL courtesy and respect by not engaging in high risk behaviors with prostitutes like BBFS, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, etc.

Addressing each other as "brothers" and "masters" is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant. What is REAL respect and courtesy is wrapping yourself up so you protect the health and safety of your "brothers" and "masters". Now, that is real quantifiable and concrete ACTION that you can take to actually SHOW respect, not just TALK about it.

If you are one of the considerate mongers that actually takes steps like using condoms and dams and refusing BB and DFK services, then I salute you. If not, you're just as much of if not MORE of a problem than the so called "disrespectful" mongers you imply are not behaving in another man's "house".This is what I'm talking about.

Aside from BBFS, most reports have the girl giving the other three things in your list, because they are in fact prostitutes.

See the Safe Sex thread for Admin's explanation, it addresses your concerns. It uses the boldface word "You" for things you can do to protect yourself. You cannot control what your favorite girl does for other men.

[HiPickle]

Empire was hype. Average looking skinny girls who were passed off as much younger than they were. Good service by most, but had plenty losers too. BBFS was had by many too, which blinded dicks to thinking the girls were pretty, LOL.

Was a nice run. It was good to get BBBJ and some BBFS with younger looking pros. No shortage of better looking pros around today. Have to hunt for the BBFS younger ones, but they are out there.Well, Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one. Mine differs on this subject. Everytime I ventured from Empire I'd get shit service, when I went back, the girl would fuk me like I was some rockstar and she was a long lost groupie, sucking the moisture from my tounge and fuking me back screaming "fuka me fuka me"! Legs high and deep penetration into a petite body you refer to as skinny, I see as an absence of FAT, which I love, of course to each his own, but lots of others like me loved it too. Now that the "Hype" is gone, I've been to a few providers seeking what I was getting there, and I can't find it and it's pissing me off. I sampled some high praised providers and what do they do? They are older more "Experienced" and they get on my medium sized member and play the ooooh so big got to go slow act. The last 3 visits at various places, and you can read my reviews which have been very vague on purpose, when I flip them to mish they flatten their legs so I can't get penetration and kinda lay there ooh oooh ooh, fucking boring, where as the last 3 I had at the "Hype", they have their little lets up behind their ears bucking me, fucking me back like it's not deep enough even though I'm scratching the back of their uterus! Anyways, this is a rant, I was thinking of the rather shitty service I've been getting since this "Hyped" up place has closed, and it could just be my bad luck, but now I feel better. =).

[HeineHeine]

I wish the "brother" mongers you refer to would show some REAL courtesy and respect by not engaging in high risk behaviors with prostitutes like BBFS, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, etc.

Addressing each other as "brothers" and "masters" is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant. What is REAL respect and courtesy is wrapping yourself up so you protect the health and safety of your "brothers" and "masters". Now, that is real quantifiable and concrete ACTION that you can take to actually SHOW respect, not just TALK about it.

If you are one of the considerate mongers that actually takes steps like using condoms and dams and refusing BB and DFK services, then I salute you. If not, you're just as much of if not MORE of a problem than the so called "disrespectful" mongers you imply are not behaving in another man's "house".Makes a lot of sense and can't argue from a medical perspective. But when did people start trying to shame others into group behavior? Will you attack smokers, recreational drug users, helmets for motorcyclists, fast food eaters / non vegetarians, etc. The list goes on for a mile. What other behaviors by adults do you find unsafe or offensive? I respect that other adults will choose their own lifestyles and accept the consequences, good / bad / indifferent. My eyebrows are raised when someone wants to lay there limits or own level of bullshit on everyone else. If a person can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, right?

[ClintonPortis]

Well, Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one. Mine differs on this subject. Everytime I ventured from Empire I'd get shit service, when I went back, the girl would fuk me like I was some rockstar and she was a long lost groupie, sucking the moisture from my tounge and fuking me back screaming "fuka me fuka me"! Legs high and deep penetration into a petite body you refer to as skinny, I see as an absence of FAT, which I love, of course to each his own, but lots of others like me loved it too. Now that the "Hype" is gone, I've been to a few providers seeking what I was getting there, and I can't find it and it's pissing me off. I sampled some high praised providers and what do they do? They are older more "Experienced" and they get on my medium sized member and play the ooooh so big got to go slow act. The last 3 visits at various places, and you can read my reviews which have been very vague on purpose, when I flip them to mish they flatten their legs so I can't get penetration and kinda lay there ooh oooh ooh, fucking boring, where as the last 3 I had at the "Hype", they have their little lets up behind their ears bucking me, fucking me back like it's not deep enough even though I'm scratching the back of their uterus! Anyways, this is a rant, I was thinking of the rather shitty service I've been getting since this "Hyped" up place has closed, and it could just be my bad luck, but now I feel better. =).I saw your reviews. You ***** and whine about providers for flattening their legs or putting their hands down there to prevent themselves from suffering more PAIN and potential INJURY. What a fukking douche. The girls are probably hurting from the 10 other ugly ass fat old mongers they just had to service with their undoubtedly bone dry pussy, but they soldier on to do their job and service yet one more ugly old ass monger like you. A regular human being would just take it easy and recognize the fact that the girl is in pain. But NO. Like a little brat throwing a temper tantrum, you come on this forum and ***** and whine about the fact that a girl was in pain and didn't want deep penetration at that moment in time.

[ClintonPortis]

Makes a lot of sense and can't argue from a medical perspective. But when did people start trying to shame others into group behavior? Will you attack smokers, recreational drug users, helmets for motorcyclists, fast food eaters / non vegetarians, etc. The list goes on for a mile. What other behaviors by adults do you find unsafe or offensive? I respect that other adults will choose their own lifestyles and accept the consequences, good / bad / indifferent. My eyebrows are raised when someone wants to lay there limits or own level of bullshit on everyone else. If a person can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, right?Drunk drivers and smokers who smoke right in front of others get shamed all the time. And rightfully so. I don't give a rats ass what you do to yourself. You want to smoke, drink, do drugs. Fine. Go ahead.

I only care when your actions affect others, including myself and my friends and loved ones. You drink and drive. You GO TO JAIL. You smoke in a non smoking area. You get cited. You peddle drugs to little kids? Toss your ass in jail and throw away the keys.

See the difference?

People who intentionally go bareback with providers who see literally THOUSANDS of dudes are just as dangerous as drunk drivers. I'm not just talking about AIDS. I'm talking about antibiotic resistant gonorrhea, syphillus, hepatitis, and HPV. These can lead to cancer, liver disease, and DEATH.

It's infuriating to see the level of fukktarded ignorance on this forum. No where else on any other forum do we have a more idiotic and ignorant group of mongers than Hawaii. Who actually ***** that providers don't offer BBBJ or BBFS or DATY. It's like a bunch of fukking Neanderthals around here. All these mongers care about is their own selfish and momentary pleasure.

Newsflash, losers: if you want a GFE, get a fukking GIRLFRIEND.

[Admin2]

Drunk drivers and smokers who smoke right in front of others get shamed all the time. And rightfully so. I don't give a rats ass what you do to yourself. You want to smoke, drink, do drugs. Fine. Go ahead.

I only care when your actions affect others, including myself and my friends and loved ones. You drink and drive. You GO TO JAIL. You smoke in a non smoking area. You get cited. You peddle drugs to little kids? Toss your ass in jail and throw away the keys.

See the difference?

People who intentionally go bareback with providers who see literally THOUSANDS of dudes are just as dangerous as drunk drivers. I'm not just talking about AIDS. I'm talking about antibiotic resistant gonorrhea, syphillus, hepatitis, and HPV. These can lead to cancer, liver disease, and DEATH.

It's infuriating to see the level of fukktarded ignorance on this forum. No where else on any other forum do we have a more idiotic and ignorant group of mongers than Hawaii. Who actually ***** that providers don't offer BBBJ or BBFS or DATY. It's like a bunch of fukking Neanderthals around here. All these mongers care about is their own selfish and momentary pleasure.

Newsflash, losers: if you want a GFE, get a fukking GIRLFRIEND.I've heard this shit before and what none of you tight ass let me tell you what to do guys never understand is this.

Their behavior CAN'T hurt you. It can't hurt you because they are doing you a service. I know you're thinking that because I'm spanking you here that I'm a natural kind of guy and nothing could be further from the truth. I have never, not one fucking time, nailed a commercial sex worker unwrapped and I NEVER will. That's my personal decision, and because I NEVER fuck professional sex workers without a cap I am minimizing, but not eliminating my risk.

However what I also NEVER do, is engage in sexual behavior with commercial chicks that provide raw services. If you had half a fucking brain you would stop talking about this and start taking notes.

As far as talking about it here's the deal. We both agree that having sex with commercial sex workers is nuts. Where we disagree is that we have some kind of right to denigrate other people because of the choices they make. I'm telling you that you're done with that. Unless the guy you're talking about borrowed your dick to fuck some chick you are done commenting on safe or unsafe sex on any thread except the designated safe sex thread.

To the rest of you guys in this with him. THIS is the last word on the subject. Move on to some other stupid shit. Yes I know it's the fight thread but I'm sick of reading it.

A2

[Lomion]

Makes a lot of sense and can't argue from a medical perspective. Not to start a safe sex rant here but not really. End of the day the main non-protected problem out there is HPV and probably every monger or provider under the sun has already checked that box (and none of us, including them, are of the vaccination generation on this one). The other two killers, HCV and HIV, the risk really isn't that big. I chat up the Life Foundation folk occasionally and the Hawaii HIV rate outside gay men is pretty low in Hawaii, talking about 700 on the entire island of which the majority are under treatment (I. E. Viral counts low enough to basically be non-transmissible) and they also echo the sex work community is pretty clean or treated; most of the untreated ones are outside the standard sex trade we all know and love (I. E. Most are normal girls in denial that their boyfriend is downlow or non-sex worker drug addicts). Now even if we ignore that here and pretend that all 700 of them are providers (given the business) there has never been a recorded case of HIV transmission via DATY / O even in acute cases where the viral load is through the roof**. As for the other BB "risky" behavior need to remember outside the initial three month acute stage and still untreated you are talking single instance monger rates of like. 03% and. 06% (vaginal / anal respectively) or (worst cases during acute period) . 78% and 1. 5%. Now those are single instance rate risks and you do it enough you might lose that lottery hence I don't BB anal or vaginally very often (I'm not perfect here either) but let's not act like it's a high risk behavior especially herein Hawaii (we aren't talking Pattaya or South Africa here). And if you want to talk HVC ditto never been a single recorded case of it being passed via oral sex period and sexually it's about 0. 01% (yes you need to on average bang about a million HVC infected workers to catch it once. Not sure about you but I don't have that sort of cash flow or time).

My point here is don't be thinking or blaming those bb mongers among us "contributing to the problem" because honestly you are going to have to win the lottery to get HIV here in Hawaii to catch it as heterosexual* monger and you aren't going to get it period if you are bb oral only (receiving BJ or giving daty). Now I'm not saying don't wrap your junk because there are plenty of non-deadly STI's out there, single instance adds up over time and would suck to catch HIV, and that whole infectious disease herd protection thing (I. E. Everybody wrap but me makes it safer for me if I don't) but let's not pretend our bb folk (especially the oral ones) are walking factories of death.

Really the deadliest of the bunch is HPV given ease of transmission and prevalence above age 20 (with Western natives; our eighteen year old Chinese providers probably aren't getting HPV vaccinations but that's just my guess), lack of testing for men (as in they don't even make a test for men, not a single FDA approved test), the overwhelming proof adding up in the past couple years that the vast majority of mouth cancer is HPV caused (and sadly often not diagnosed until late stage). Don't want to catch HPV and never had it, LOL not in our business TBH. Never seen numbers on it but seen a lot of speculation that something approaching near 100% of sex workers and mongers by age fifty have been exposed to (and have the antibodies) for HPV. Maybe in about thirty years HPV will be at HIV transmission rates but has to wait for all us old fucks to die off.

Sex is risky, such is life. Don't like it, do something else.

* Speaking of that (and not my thing either) but just realized I don't think we have a homosexual provider or monger section USA sex guide. I know you got straight mongers out there enjoying the mahu's occasionally (they obviously getting business), straight out homosexual mongers (I. E. Old, ugly, or fat dudes that can't get it for free anymore even among the sexual promiscuous MSM or ones that want young bucks), and ditto homosexual provides but don't really hear reviews of them. They got their own forum somewhere else? Just thought about this as I was writing above as always considered this a monger board and TBH a monger is a monger and provider a provider but this forum pretty straight as far as I remember.

** There is a reason you don't hear much about lesbian (not bi-sexual) HIV rates; it's basically non existent.

[Lomion]

Admin / A2:

Hey just seen your post after I posted that other post (spent some time writing it, hadn't refreshed the screen), wasn't trying to break your "cease and desist". Feel free to delete it (and this one) if you feel it does.

[HiPickle]

I saw your reviews. You ***** and whine about providers for flattening their legs or putting their hands down there to prevent themselves from suffering more PAIN and potential INJURY. What a fukking douche. The girls are probably hurting from the 10 other ugly ass fat old mongers they just had to service with their undoubtedly bone dry pussy, but they soldier on to do their job and service yet one more ugly old ass monger like you. A regular human being would just take it easy and recognize the fact that the girl is in pain. But NO. Like a little brat throwing a temper tantrum, you come on this forum and ***** and whine about the fact that a girl was in pain and didn't want deep penetration at that moment in time.Actually, I'd bet my left nut. I'm probably 20 years younger than you or at least look it. It's not pain or it would be recognized. It's acting and it is recognized. Since I'm a day monger, their evening work has yet to start, so I doubt if I was number 3 of the day. Yup, I threw a temper tantrum right here. Liked it. Dick head.

[Lomion]

It's acting and it is recognized.Amen on that one. I think all of us of a certain size know what it's like to bottom out and the affect it has on the woman. It's a real shooting pain (couple chicks I know have described it like a hot knife in the gut), not a "discomfort", and nobody enjoys it including the dude (as not fun to ram up against or see the honest wincing on their part); last time I did there was no "grin and bear it", chick stopped everything and jumped out bed ending the behavior in seconds with that "OMFG that hurt" expression. As for that other shit, well that's why they make lube and girth isn't an issue, kids come out that hole (medical treatment level required vaginal tearing from well lubricated penile insertion among consenting adults is pretty rare, penis fractures are vastly more common). I think it's fair to see most of us (I'm surely not and in my experience neither are most of the mongers on here) aren't here to hurt women but same time, we also aren't here to get ripped off as most of the providers if they could get away with it would prefer you just show up, hand them the money, and immediately leave because "looking at them hurts".

When I go to Home Depot and open up a can of paint only to discover it's only half full I'm expecting either all my money back or, if I'm fine the amount in the can, it pro-rated and a partial refund (both for my missing half and my troubles). Fat chance in hell if you think the provider who promised a service is going to refund you all or any of your money* because you are "too big" Now I will give you for some of these girls it might not be comfortable getting jack-hammered deep all day and night and as a result would prefer you not do it but discomfort or dislike isn't pain or too big; they can get out the business, see less customers, charge less, or be up front and advertise honestly "I do FS but you aren't allowed to stick more than 3 inches in because my pussy sore from too much dick". As HiPickle said, basically just a scam to get more money for less service.

* I will say I can't say never. I stumbled into a random super hot mulatto provider in Amsterdam two decades ago and the discussion went like "Interested", "Only if you do anal", "I don't", "I'm leaving", "Well I can try", "To big", "Let me give you your money back, interested in a BBBJCIM for half? "sure". Now I was a young new monger back then and it may have been a sales scam but TBH even looking back today I don't think it was. I'm also betting most of the higher end pro's (not SW's, AMP's, etc) would also do something similar as they are after repeat business, not quantity.

[Getting Old]

Anyone know about this Japanese girl at Splash? Good looking eye candy, thinking of hook up with her one day.

Probably kiki. Japanese girl. Look like a Farah Fawcet hair. She work longtime. I think she goes E. G. After.

Hey Baldy, I hope you spent, plenty money on her already. But she has a boyfriend last I heard. But if you have deep pockets maybe you can take this guys place but you better have deep pockets. Then again these women change boyfriends like they change clothes so maybe you get one chance. LOL.

[HeineHeine]

Atmatic makes me LOL with his reviews. He's always whining about bad service as if these girls were just sex robots without feelings and preferences of their own. If you're a fat, ugly old man, you really think these girls will give you great service? Come on. They are all ACTING and pretending to enjoy their time with you, when in reality, they can't wait for you to finish and leave. Some girls like Nara are just better actors.

Atmatic, your money will never buy genuine affection and will only buy attraction if you are truly rich and can afford to be a sugar daddy. If you want a GFE, go get a fukking girlfriend. And if you can't, improve yourself so you CAN get one. Get in shape, plastic surgery if need be, work harder to make more money, learn an interesting skill, whatever it takes to get the validation you so desperately want.I am one of those fat, old mongers. I m working with an ortho for the teeth, oahu orthodontics is installing veneers. Who would you recommend for the facial reconstruction? Thank you, sir.

[Slide Hammer]

I wish the "brother" mongers you refer to would show some REAL courtesy and respect by not engaging in high risk behaviors with prostitutes like BBFS, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, etc.

Addressing each other as "brothers" and "masters" is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant. What is REAL respect and courtesy is wrapping yourself up so you protect the health and safety of your "brothers" and "masters". Now, that is real quantifiable and concrete ACTION that you can take to actually SHOW respect, not just TALK about it.

If you are one of the considerate mongers that actually takes steps like using condoms and dams and refusing BB and DFK services, then I salute you. If not, you're just as much of if not MORE of a problem than the so called "disrespectful" mongers you imply are not behaving in another man's "house".Nice rant. Kind of idiotic but at least you explained why calling eachoother brother, while trivial, can be pet peavish to some namely me. The term around here is disingenuous and therefore creepy. Nobody around here would trust any monger here as far as they could throw him. Did I mention it was only a pet peeve of mine?

Yeah so instead of waiting around and expecting the Unrealistic as you aptly put it above why not stop calling each other brother around here. Just a bunch of squirrels around here trying to get their nut on. That's pretty much it.

Nice rant there tho.

[Lomion]

Nobody around here would trust any monger here as far as they could throw him.Yep I've noticed that also around here and never really understood it. Hell when you in a local AMP they are doing traffic control around showers, rooms, etc so mongers don't even see each other in the hallways (inside the joint) in my experience. Not saying we get together and BBQ or anything (like mongers do in other places) but never been anywhere until Hawaii where the community is so paranoid? Unfriendly? Unsocial? Which blows my mind as the enforcement and laws here aren't as bad as the mainland in my experience. Like in my head one place Ivy went wrong with Empire is she didn't let folk sit around and drink and socialize more in the front though TBH that might have cut into business or brought more heat.

It a cultural thing? I. e. Using prostitutes (and getting caught lets say) uniquely more shameful in Asian or Oceanic culture in a way it isn't in the rest of the world?

[RoadRally2]

Yep I've noticed that also around here and never really understood it. Hell when you in a local AMP they are doing traffic control around showers, rooms, etc so mongers don't even see each other in the hallways (inside the joint) in my experience. Not saying we get together and BBQ or anything (like mongers do in other places) but never been anywhere until Hawaii where the community is so paranoid? Unfriendly? Unsocial? Which blows my mind as the enforcement and laws here aren't as bad as the mainland in my experience. Like in my head one place Ivy went wrong with Empire is she didn't let folk sit around and drink and socialize more in the front though TBH that might have cut into business or brought more heat.

It a cultural thing? I. e. Using prostitutes (and getting caught lets say) uniquely more shameful in Asian or Oceanic culture in a way it isn't in the rest of the world?Hawaii is really small good chance you run into a uncle or coworker or girlfriend friend or wife's coworker or something etc.

I know everyone I s there for the same reason but still I'd rather not parade myself around and have to deal with one of those wired situations.

[Uki Eater]

Hawaii is really small good chance you run into a uncle or coworker or girlfriend friend or wife's coworker or something etc.

I know everyone I s there for the same reason but still I'd rather not parade myself around and have to deal with one of those wired situations.Yup. I bumped into a classmate from school. My coworkers friend saw his uncle at VIP. Some people don't want to ruin their image that they go to those type of places. Even if the person who saw you doesn't know you, if there's an outing or gathering, the person who saw you at an AMP might be there. He might be a friend of someone you know and you later get introduced to him. Then, both of you look at each other.

"Hey, I recognize this guy. He came out of Tokyo Spa. I wonder who he had?

[Lomion]

"Hey, I recognize this guy. He came out of Tokyo Spa. I wonder who he had?Well that exactly is my point hence wondering if it's Asian / Oceanic cultural thing because anywhere else I have lived you would say exactly that and then talk story about it including at work, etc. Never been around folk until here which considered mongering something odd or shameful; just another hobby. Hell you would even head to the whorehouse or AMP with some buds, relatives, or co-workers (INSTEAD of a strip club) non-issue; hell might even stand in line for the same girl and give them shit about it.

It's not about running into friends, co-workers, family, etc and having uncomfortable looks or conversations, it's more even if you did those conversations or looks don't even happen except here in my experience. What would happen is you shoot the shit for a second just like you would if ran into them at the grocery store.

P.S. : When the hell did a five letter word starting with wh and ending with e for a provider become a swear (I. E. Lots of asterisks) on here?

[Getting Old]

Well that exactly is my point hence wondering if it's Asian / Oceanic cultural thing because anywhere else I have lived you would say exactly that and then talk story about it including at work, etc. Never been around folk until here which considered mongering something odd or shameful; just another hobby. Hell you would even head to the whorehouse or AMP with some buds, relatives, or co-workers (INSTEAD of a strip club) non-issue; hell might even stand in line for the same girl and give them shit about it.

It's not about running into friends, co-workers, family, etc and having uncomfortable looks or conversations, it's more even if you did those conversations or looks don't even happen except here in my experience. What would happen is you shoot the shit for a second just like you would if ran into them at the grocery store.

P.S. : When the hell did a five letter word starting with wh and ending with e for a provider become a swear (I. E. Lots of asterisks) on here?If you military then you going have a long posting but that's the way it is in the islands blame the culture or whatever but most of us that were raised in the islands were usually taught to respect our women. I think when you start sampling the providers (oriental mostly) here you will understand why. They are not the white or colored trash you are used to on the mainland. I would also not take any of my brother-in-laws to a brothel. I respect my sisters or go with any relatives but that's the haole standard not the local one FYI so before you go mouthing off to any local co-workers or civilians or neighbors just be aware.

I would advise you to get with the program because you are not back in CONUS you are here now so adjust, listen and learn and keep your trap shut till you do. You sound young and stupid like we all were, Hawaii can be a really nice duty station, as long as you above a certain rank otherwise maybe a long posting because it is expensive here and there are things you can't get at the BX. Be safe and monger on.

[Bikini]

"Hey, I recognize this guy. He came out of Tokyo Spa. I wonder who he had?Once, at Hello Kitty, the girl let me out right after another girl had let her customer out. Here we are, waiting for the elevator. So I asked him who he saw. He immediately warmed up and told me, so I told him about my date. Nothing embarrassing at all.

Also, once upon a time long ago I went to Diamond Head Video. I stepped into the back room where the porn was and immediately saw my daughter's ballet teacher. Luckily I saw him first and immediately left. Wow! I think that would be embarrassing for both of us.

[Macko69]

Well that exactly is my point hence wondering if it's Asian / Oceanic cultural thing because anywhere else I have lived you would say exactly that and then talk story about it including at work, etc. Never been around folk until here which considered mongering something odd or shameful; just another hobby. Hell you would even head to the whorehouse or AMP with some buds, relatives, or co-workers (INSTEAD of a strip club) non-issue; hell might even stand in line for the same girl and give them shit about it.

It's not about running into friends, co-workers, family, etc and having uncomfortable looks or conversations, it's more even if you did those conversations or looks don't even happen except here in my experience. What would happen is you shoot the shit for a second just like you would if ran into them at the grocery store.

P.S. : When the hell did a five letter word starting with wh and ending with e for a provider become a swear (I. E. Lots of asterisks) on here?Bullshit. It's not "just another hobby". Would you talk to your mom about the providers you've fucked? If you were in a job interview and they asked you about your hobbies, would you tell them, "I like to fuck prostitutes"? If you were out on a first date with a girl, would you mention that you exchange sex for money with women you've just met? If you've answered "no" to any of the previous questions, then you're acknowledging that it's not "just another hobby" and that it's not something you openly discuss with just anyone.

It seems like you're trying to portray Hawaii as backwards, and somehow the people on the mainland are more enlightened, but you're really full of crap. Yes, we in Hawaii are usually pretty discrete about these sorts of things, but so are most people on the mainland. If fucking providers was "just another hobby" on the mainland, Warren Sapp would still be an NFL analyst and Eliot Spitzer might still be governor of NY. Even non-celebrities are discrete about it because it's illegal and it could ruin a relationship or a career.

But if you want to be really open about your hobbies, please feel free to tell everyone about it. In my experience, though, there are generally 4 types of people:

1. Those that are vehemently against prostitution and think it's morally repugnant.

2. Those who are outwardly against prostitution, but is interested in indulging in porn / hookers in their own private life.

3. Those who seem like they're cool with it, but if they can use it to their advantage, will use the information they know about you to manipulate you or hurt you.

4. People who really have no problem with it at all.

Most people know better than to talk about visiting providers with anyone in category 1 or 2. And among people who seem cool with it, it's sometimes tough to tell if someone is a 3 or a 4. So to keep my life worry-free, I just avoid talking about it with anyone except for a close friend who got me into mongering.

[DickTracy25]

Listen up old fart, if you have Brad Pitt look and a live cock, you have chance with any Princess. Has boy friend. So what? Last week I fucked this princess, she has a old goat boy friend buy her Lexus, but he has a limp cock can't put out in bed, why do you think princess always come to young Brad for satisfaction?


Anyone know about this Japanese girl at Splash? Good looking eye candy, thinking of hook up with her one day.

Probably kiki. Japanese girl. Look like a Farah Fawcet hair. She work longtime. I think she goes E. G. After.

Hey Baldy, I hope you spent, plenty money on her already. But she has a boyfriend last I heard. But if you have deep pockets maybe you can take this guys place but you better have deep pockets. Then again these women change boyfriends like they change clothes so maybe you get one chance. LOL.

[Candyman2002]

Bullshit. It's not "just another hobby". Would you talk to your mom about the providers you've fucked? If you were in a job interview and they asked you about your hobbies, would you tell them, "I like to fuck prostitutes"? If you were out on a first date with a girl, would you mention that you exchange sex for money with women you've just met? If you've answered "no" to any of the previous questions, then you're acknowledging that it's not "just another hobby" and that it's not something you openly discuss with just anyone.

It seems like you're trying to portray Hawaii as backwards, and somehow the people on the mainland are more enlightened, but you're really full of crap. Yes, we in Hawaii are usually pretty discrete about these sorts of things, but so are most people on the mainland. If fucking providers was "just another hobby" on the mainland, Warren Sapp would still be an NFL analyst and Eliot Spitzer might still be governor of NY. Even non-celebrities are discrete about it because it's illegal and it could ruin a relationship or a career.

But if you want to be really open about your hobbies, please feel free to tell everyone about it. In my experience, though, there are generally 4 types of people:

1. Those that are vehemently against prostitution and think it's morally repugnant.

2. Those who are outwardly against prostitution, but is interested in indulging in porn / hookers in their own private life.

3. Those who seem like they're cool with it, but if they can use it to their advantage, will use the information they know about you to manipulate you or hurt you.

4. People who really have no problem with it at all.

Most people know better than to talk about visiting providers with anyone in category 1 or 2. And among people who seem cool with it, it's sometimes tough to tell if someone is a 3 or a 4. So to keep my life worry-free, I just avoid talking about it with anyone except for a close friend who got me into mongering.Well said bro! I like to opportunity to monger but at the same time despise the girls who choose it as a life time profession. Where does that put me? I can see if they are in trouble, in debt or are saving up for something, other than that, its kind of gross. LOL.

[Candyman2002]

Poor you. I never get turned down, I guess I owe to my average boto and I'm not rich. LOL Just try to be nice and don't be a douche like the majority of guys are or those who monger. I didn't believe it until a popular girl was bitching about how some mongers on here, who brag about getting good service were actually 'A" holes. They are forced to give a whole hour of good service even though they don't want to be there because they are afraid of the bad reviews. I know we are a small percentage of the total mongering world, but we can at least contribute to the cause! Come on guys, they are human, what goes around comes around. I'm not speculating either, I saw videos, lets try to keep this forum truthful and not just a bunch of stories.

[Johnny14]

"Hey, I recognize this guy. He came out of Tokyo Spa. I wonder who he had?I once ran into a local TV sports commentator in the hallway of Rose Marie going to a room with a Korean provider. He had a towel over his head to hide himself, but I recognize him and later asked my provider if indeed he worked for the local TV station, she said he comes often. He probably not getting any from the wife and not my business to be concern about.

[Puna Ho]

Well that exactly is my point hence wondering if it's Asian / Oceanic cultural thing because anywhere else I have lived you would say exactly that and then talk story about it including at work, etc. Never been around folk until here which considered mongering something odd or shameful; just another hobby. Hell you would even head to the whorehouse or AMP with some buds, relatives, or co-workers (INSTEAD of a strip club) non-issue; hell might even stand in line for the same girl and give them shit about it.

It's not about running into friends, co-workers, family, etc and having uncomfortable looks or conversations, it's more even if you did those conversations or looks don't even happen except here in my experience. What would happen is you shoot the shit for a second just like you would if ran into them at the grocery store.

P.S. : When the hell did a five letter word starting with wh and ending with e for a provider become a swear (I. E. Lots of asterisks) on here?As Joe Pesci said in Lethal Weapon 2, "coooooome ooooooooon. ".

Mongering in American society ABSOLUTELY carries a stigma akin to any illegal activity that, oh, by the way, also illustrates a certain personal level of anti-social sexual desperation in the willingness to pay for risky sexual favors from "whor_s" instead of copulation the traditional God-fearing "decent" way via virginity and propriety before marriage.

In my time mongering here, Hawaii, a culturally diverse American community with infinitesimal degrees of separation, is directly akin to towns and cities in the Midwest where neighbors meet each other in the community, raise each others' kids, and see each other driving down the street. No way, no how is mongering "just a normal hobby" that folks just happily share with each other there, so why would the same discretion be an Asian / Oceanic cultural thing here?

By the same token, no way are Hawaiian mongers unique in how they manage privacy and discretion. I'd argue that vast majority of mongers I've met or seen anywhere (mongering in their hometown) ABSOLUTELY take privacy and discretion into prime consideration. It's called self-preservation. For example, hanging out with a group of foreign monger strangers you'll never see again in Bangkok's red-light district? Yeah, privacy and discretion are out the window. Hanging out with your neighbor, kid's friend's parents, professional colleagues, or soccer moms at a game? You're likely not talking about the ho you just paid for sex last night, no matter where you live.

That said, there's also "anywhere else I have lived," and then there's, "anywhere else I have lived. In a frat-house, trailer park, truck stop, military base, or ho's-paradise" (nothing personal or directed). Point being that maturity, class, education, background, and societal / community disconnectedness, friend / coworker / family bonding through mongering, etc all play a role in one's regard or disregard for privacy and discretion. A certain demographic of mongerer would be more discrete and other demographics would be comfortable openly sharing with friends, co-workers, family that they pay whor_s for sex. If those same friends, co-workers, family are also openly sharing that they're also paying whor_s for sex back. , more power to you all but I'll stay right here and enjoy the privacy and discretion with my Hawaiian monger Bros.

Imua.

[MuffinStuffer]

Amen on that one. I think all of us of a certain size know what it's like to bottom out and the affect it has on the woman. It's a real shooting pain (couple chicks I know have described it like a hot knife in the gut), not a "discomfort", and nobody enjoys it including the dude (as not fun to ram up against or see the honest wincing on their part); last time I did there was no "grin and bear it", chick stopped everything and jumped out bed ending the behavior in seconds with that "OMFG that hurt" expression. As for that other shit, well that's why they make lube and girth isn't an issue, kids come out that hole (medical treatment level required vaginal tearing from well lubricated penile insertion among consenting adults is pretty rare, penis fractures are vastly more common). I think it's fair to see most of us (I'm surely not and in my experience neither are most of the mongers on here) aren't here to hurt women but same time, we also aren't here to get ripped off as most of the providers if they could get away with it would prefer you just show up, hand them the money, and immediately leave because "looking at them hurts".

When I go to Home Depot and open up a can of paint only to discover it's only half full I'm expecting either all my money back or, if I'm fine the amount in the can, it pro-rated and a partial refund (both for my missing half and my troubles). Fat chance in hell if you think the provider who promised a service is going to refund you all or any of your money* because you are "too big" Now I will give you for some of these girls it might not be comfortable getting jack-hammered deep all day and night and as a result would prefer you not do it but discomfort or dislike isn't pain or too big; they can get out the business, see less customers, charge less, or be up front and advertise honestly "I do FS but you aren't allowed to stick more than 3 inches in because my pussy sore from too much dick". As HiPickle said, basically just a scam to get more money for less service.

* I will say I can't say never. I stumbled into a random super hot mulatto provider in Amsterdam two decades ago and the discussion went like "Interested", "Only if you do anal", "I don't", "I'm leaving", "Well I can try", "To big", "Let me give you your money back, interested in a BBBJCIM for half? "sure". Now I was a young new monger back then and it may have been a sales scam but TBH even looking back today I don't think it was. I'm also betting most of the higher end pro's (not SW's, AMP's, etc) would also do something similar as they are after repeat business, not quantity.Bottoming out isn't that same for all chicks and its certainly never hurt me. Bottoming out in any pro can be trouble because potentially she has been fucked 5,6,7, even 10 times that day. Girth isn't an issue? Wrong again. Its a YMMV issue as well. Some chicks like the pressure. Physiology has everything to do with it. Some chicks get more naturally lubricated than others. Some chicks are looser, some chicks get stretched out. I think its safe to say you don't know much about fucking.

[MuffinStuffer]

Well that exactly is my point hence wondering if it's Asian / Oceanic cultural thing because anywhere else I have lived you would say exactly that and then talk story about it including at work, etc. Never been around folk until here which considered mongering something odd or shameful; just another hobby. Hell you would even head to the whorehouse or AMP with some buds, relatives, or co-workers (INSTEAD of a strip club) non-issue; hell might even stand in line for the same girl and give them shit about it.

It's not about running into friends, co-workers, family, etc and having uncomfortable looks or conversations, it's more even if you did those conversations or looks don't even happen except here in my experience. What would happen is you shoot the shit for a second just like you would if ran into them at the grocery store.

P.S. : When the hell did a five letter word starting with wh and ending with e for a provider become a swear (I. E. Lots of asterisks) on here?Where the hell are you from that mongering isn't taboo? Got to throw up the bullshit flag there. First off its far less organized or common on the mainland. Hawaii is like a gateway to the Asian way of life as far as whoring goes. Even in Big US Cities its rare to be able to get the level of mongering you get here per capita. IF anything its far more accepted here. Its not nearly as taboo for the girls. From AMPs to Indys to Streetwalkers, most of the girls in Hawaii are far more comfortable and open about it. I know local asian guys whose SOs quietly accept their Beau's go and see AMP girls or to buy the Bargirls drinks. Most local gals are much more accepting that Korean Bargirls do what they do or even the massagey girls for that matter. You would never see that on the mainland.

[Lomion]

I think its safe to say you don't know much about fucking.I think we are using the same terminology for different things. When I say bottoming out I mean, and only mean, when you your cock rams up against their cervix which, at least in my experience, def has caused pain with the chicks (and ones I'm not paying either so no point to lie about it). I don't really care about "discomfort" from girth, with enough lube it ain't going to cause unbearable pain and ain't going to cause damage (vaginal tearing is what we are worried about here). Where I'm going with this is my concern for the the chick (to the earlier point about "me to big and faking it") is about pain and injury, discomfort or enjoyment I could give a rats ass about as I don't get enjoyment and comfort handing them money either. They are taking my cash to take my entire dick, their actual preferences are pretty irrelevant at that point outside safety. Folk I forget I think sometimes this is a service industry and we, not them, are the customers.

[Lomion]

So let me state one thing I really can't stand about this state is this inferiority complex everybody whose local seems to have about "us v. Mainland" and how they take everything as an attack, etc. Like it or not Hawaii is part of America and has been part of America for longer than it was Hawaii. And to Getting Old's point, that whole "ohana" shit is part of the problem because what it leads to is a complete disregard and disrespect for anybody outside that ohana. It's why corruption and nepotism plague here just like all of Asia and Polynesia. I don't need a lecture on "taught to respect our women" and " I respect my sisters or go with any relative" because, while true (to a point though sexual abuse and abuse / assault of family member rates are higher in Hawaii than nearly anywhere else in the USA so even that's a joke), what it means is a complete lack of respect for others women, others sisters, and others relatives that you are banging; after all that provider is somebodies kid, wife, or sister. It also why Hawaii ranks low in charitable givings and treat our homeless like shit (or even still have the world haole) because it's a secular inbred state which is all about protecting the ohana as opposed to doing what's right or respecting strangers / everybody. But anyways I digress here because I'm not trying to turn this in to a local / mainland / etc rant which is (to my original sentence) everybody on this damn island immediately jumps to when you question a local behavior because for God's sake when I'm in Utah and ask "Why you do XYZ" the response isn't "because the other 49 states are horrible, oppress us, etc". And don't give me that haole trailer park or ghetto shit, this entire island is basically one big ass trailer park (which ofc once again shows the locals true color about "respecting women" . Because obviously crack heads aren't aren't part of their ohana); jalousies, tin roof, single walled dwellings with giant flags, lifted trucks, an inability to the say the letter r, seven kids, and fat dudes sitting around drinking or toking on their porch. Face it Waianae ain't far removed that a Alabama trailer park.

Anyways to the other comments, no I'm not military nor young (well into my fourth decade and been mongering since I was 19) and I work for a multinational so I've lived all over the world and no nobody in Germany is going bat an eye when you go to a FKK club with your brother, nobody in Dubai is going to bat an eye when you bring two Russian girls home from the Cyclone club or pick up a third wife purely as a sex toy, nobody Ethiopia going to bat an eye when you buy a refugee chick for some food and shelter, and hell even in the Midwest nobody batting an eye at the third shift working class bar when you buy the barfly for her tab. And yes my family, co-workers, boss, and hell pretty much anybody I talk to know and sure I would even bring it up with the girl I'm dating IF it came up. She doesn't know (nor do most folk in my life) I like to collect skeleton keys also (for real and don't ask) but not because I'm ashamed of it but because when I'm making conversation it's not a hobby most folk would find interesting so why bring it up; I don't bring up religion or politics either for that matter. Still if whoring comes up then yes I do openly talk about my hobby and if not then I talk like normal people talk, about mutually interesting things like sports, weather, WTF Auntie Jenny is doing this week, some good eats, and why traffic so God awful here. Yet when I'm with sex hobbyists, whether than my co-worker or my uncle, we talk all sorts of shop about which girl, which establishments, pricing strategies, etc and will do so at a business lunch or the family table.

Now when I say "nobody" I don't mean everybody, what I mean, and what folk seemed to miss here, is contextual. This entire conversation starter was about the monger community hence I don't really care about your aunt, sister, pastor, etc; I'm not going to run into them walking through the hallways of Empire unless they working or playing there. What I'm saying here is in my experience mongering around the damn world I'm never seen such crazy paranoid secrecy IN THE HALLS OF THE WHOREHOUSE (AMP, massage parlor, whatever you want to call them) and that is the ONLY context I'm talking here and that's what I'm curious about. Look if you and your kid's elementary school teacher run into each other at the VIP, who cares; it's like running into them at a crackhouse. You are both in the hobby so you can count on each other to STFU and not talk about it in polite company. If you run into your bosses boss, ditto. It's not like he is going to call your wife and be like "Hey I ran into your husband at the whorehouse". I'm not about interactions with NON-HOBBYISTS which is where folk seemed to take this. So something is particular unique in my experience about how secretive mongers are WITH EACH OTHER to the point they can't even have a five second hallway passing or feel embarrassed / shamed seeing each other on the elevator at CC and the AMPs go out their way out traffic control to try and ensure folk don't run into each other; that's what I find curious and that's something I find uniquely local. Quit trying to blow this up outside that context but I wasn't going there.

Or to use Macko69 scale, everybody here is talking about "4" interacting with "1" at Safeway or hell even "4" talking to "3" in Church. What I find interesting is the craziness around a 4 talking to another 2/3/4 IN THE DAMN AMP ITSELF.

[Slide Hammer]

Listen up old fart, if you have Brad Pitt look and a live cock, you have chance with any Princess. Has boy friend. So what? Last week I fucked this princess, she has a old goat boy friend buy her Lexus, but he has a limp cock can't put out in bed, why do you think princess always come to young Brad for satisfaction?Hey howzit brad. Nice of you to add your thoughts here in a massagey forum.

[Shipshape]

I'll try to keep the lid on this can of worms if possible. I think, in part, the mongering scene in Honolulu is not a bro-fest is because we have one of the highest densities in the USA With more people per square mile. It means we are compressed into a relatively small living space and the odds of running into someone you know increases. In a metro area on the mainland (with an exception of NYC but then their population size creates its own buffer), you can literally disappear and go to neighborhoods where "nobody knows your name". Here, it ain't so. Another contributor mentioned look how guys act in Thailand, or P. I. , etc. You can let loose cause you ain't never going to see those guys again. Here? Well just how many shopping malls do we have. Quick answer Not that Many. So you run into people you know a lot. Couple that with a population that is not that mobile (as compared to mainland cities). Folks grow up, live, die here without (some) ever leaving the state. Screw up your reputation in Detroit? Move to Cleveland. Screw it up here and you could be a marked man for the rest of your life. Point is that Honolulu has a lot of compression that makes for guys being a bit more secretive about their activities. Ain't got nothing to do with white / black / Asian / local / mainland I'm speculating.

Ss.

[Hello Kitty]

Hey howzit brad. Nice of you to add your thoughts here in a massagey forum.I still don't understand. For a guy who he thinks his brad pitt or good looking like him. Why the fuck would he go to the kb. I'm just asking. Unless his real name is brad and looks like a arm pitt then he is telling the truth. Pretty much I can see why he had to spent a lot on his ex.

[Macko69]

Now when I say "nobody" I don't mean everybody, what I mean, and what folk seemed to miss here, is contextual. This entire conversation starter was about the monger community hence I don't really care about your aunt, sister, pastor, etc; I'm not going to run into them walking through the hallways of Empire unless they working or playing there. What I'm saying here is in my experience mongering around the damn world I'm never seen such crazy paranoid secrecy IN THE HALLS OF THE WHOREHOUSE (AMP, massage parlor, whatever you want to call them) and that is the ONLY context I'm talking here and that's what I'm curious about. Look if you and your kid's elementary school teacher run into each other at the VIP, who cares; it's like running into them at a crackhouse. You are both in the hobby so you can count on each other to STFU and not talk about it in polite company. If you run into your bosses boss, ditto. It's not like he is going to call your wife and be like "Hey I ran into your husband at the whorehouse". I'm not about interactions with NON-HOBBYISTS which is where folk seemed to take this. So something is particular unique in my experience about how secretive mongers are WITH EACH OTHER to the point they can't even have a five second hallway passing or feel embarrassed / shamed seeing each other on the elevator at CC and the AMPs go out their way out traffic control to try and ensure folk don't run into each other; that's what I find curious and that's something I find uniquely local. Quit trying to blow this up outside that context but I wasn't going there.No, the context that you put your comments in weren't limited just to conversations you have at an AMP. Here's what you said in your comment that I originally responded to was this:


Well that exactly is my point hence wondering if it's Asian / Oceanic cultural thing because anywhere else I have lived you would say exactly that and then talk story about it including at work, etc. Never been around folk until here which considered mongering something odd or shameful; just another hobby. You obviously think that people outside of Hawaii openly talk about mongering at work. I doubt that it's as common as you seem to think.

In regards to your comment: "You are both in the hobby so you can count on each other to STFU and not talk about it in polite company. ", I also disagree. Just because someone is in the hobby too doesn't mean they'll have the same beliefs about how discrete they should be. Maybe the other person is single and they don't give a fuck what other people think about them, so they don't mind if everyone knows about their mongering hobby. We all know people like that. I have relatives like that. I don't want someone like that to be telling everyone stories about the time he saw me at Top Spa (or wherever). I have kids. I have a lot of clients who rely on my advice, mostly women. I have aunties, uncles, neighbors and friends who look up to me as a "good boy". I don't want these people to know my sexual proclivities. It's not "crazy paranoid secrecy" like you make it out to be. It's just taking reasonable steps to limit the amount of people who know about my hobby. The less other people know, the less I need to worry about.

I would prefer not to see any other dudes at AMPs, but if I do, oh well, so be it. Yeah, I don't make eye contact or conversation with other guys at AMPs. Why should I look at them and make small talk? I'm not going there to make buddies with other guys.

If you want to be open about it with certain people in your life, good for you. But it's kind of foolish if you can't understand why on an island like Oahu, certain guys like to keep their illegal hobby a secret. Anyone who can't understand that is an idiot.

[Getting Old]

Listen up old fart, if you have Brad Pitt look and a live cock, you have chance with any Princess. Has boy friend. So what? Last week I fucked this princess, she has a old goat boy friend buy her Lexus, but he has a limp cock can't put out in bed, why do you think princess always come to young Brad for satisfaction?

I guess you are not taking brother John's advice. It's your choice no use taking to a redundant, intecutically stunted individual like yourself. It is really sad but in this world it does take all kinds. I am reminded what brother A2 mentioned to me after the first infraction or there abouts: "All Trolls are pathetic" or something to that nature.

I would like the name of the "Old Goat" and refer him to the Hawaii Male clinic they have something to fix that limp dick and he going make that KBG earn her rent money and car payments after his first visit. I guarantee that, hell, all you need is money. And old goats have money. Young goats do not have.

I am pretty sick of you comparing yourself to Brad Pitt as you don't look like him and you do not even have 1/1,000,000 of his estimated worth. You are in your fantasy world again and I wish someone would wake you up from this nightmare. Since I don't see your posts so much the better I saw a shirt today at the "made in Hawaii" show at the Blaisdell arena and the adjourning meeting rooms when I saw that shirt though it fit, it was a CSI shirt=.

'Can't Stand Idiots" I almost bought the bugga. But then I did have a parent with me at the time. Good luck in your life cause it is really messed up IMHO. Get a life!

P.S. HOW much did Brad Pitt have to pay for the session? $200-$300-$400? It's all gravy for her you just extra spending money, think about it. If you can think.

[Realdeal808]

If I am following your logic correctly, you should have no problem divulging your real name here in this forum since you are among your "mongering community". You should have total confidence that your name does not somehow "leak out" somewhere that you wouldn't feel comfortable with. But then again, according to your statements, such a place does not exist.


So let me state one thing I really can't stand about this state is this inferiority complex everybody whose local seems to have about "us v. Mainland" and how they take everything as an attack, etc. Like it or not Hawaii is part of America and has been part of America for longer than it was Hawaii. And to Getting Old's point, that whole "ohana" shit is part of the problem because what it leads to is a complete disregard and disrespect for anybody outside that ohana. It's why corruption and nepotism plague here just like all of Asia and Polynesia. I don't need a lecture on "taught to respect our women" and " I respect my sisters or go with any relative" because, while true (to a point though sexual abuse and abuse / assault of family member rates are higher in Hawaii than nearly anywhere else in the USA so even that's a joke), what it means is a complete lack of respect for others women, others sisters, and others relatives that you are banging; after all that provider is somebodies kid, wife, or sister. It also why Hawaii ranks low in charitable givings and treat our homeless like shit (or even still have the world haole) because it's a secular inbred state which is all about protecting the ohana as opposed to doing what's right or respecting strangers / everybody. But anyways I digress here because I'm not trying to turn this in to a local / mainland / etc rant which is (to my original sentence) everybody on this damn island immediately jumps to when you question a local behavior because for God's sake when I'm in Utah and ask "Why you do XYZ" the response isn't "because the other 49 states are horrible, oppress us, etc". And don't give me that haole trailer park or ghetto shit, this entire island is basically one big ass trailer park (which ofc once again shows the locals true color about "respecting women" . Because obviously crack heads aren't aren't part of their ohana); jalousies, tin roof, single walled dwellings with giant flags, lifted trucks, an inability to the say the letter r, seven kids, and fat dudes sitting around drinking or toking on their porch. Face it Waianae ain't far removed that a Alabama trailer park.

Anyways to the other comments, no I'm not military nor young (well into my fourth decade and been mongering since I was 19) and I work for a multinational so I've lived all over the world and no nobody in Germany is going bat an eye when you go to a FKK club with your brother, nobody in Dubai is going to bat an eye when you bring two Russian girls home from the Cyclone club or pick up a third wife purely as a sex toy, nobody Ethiopia going to bat an eye when you buy a refugee chick for some food and shelter, and hell even in the Midwest nobody batting an eye at the third shift working class bar when you buy the barfly for her tab. And yes my family, co-workers, boss, and hell pretty much anybody I talk to know and sure I would even bring it up with the girl I'm dating IF it came up. She doesn't know (nor do most folk in my life) I like to collect skeleton keys also (for real and don't ask) but not because I'm ashamed of it but because when I'm making conversation it's not a hobby most folk would find interesting so why bring it up; I don't bring up religion or politics either for that matter. Still if whoring comes up then yes I do openly talk about my hobby and if not then I talk like normal people talk, about mutually interesting things like sports, weather, WTF Auntie Jenny is doing this week, some good eats, and why traffic so God awful here. Yet when I'm with sex hobbyists, whether than my co-worker or my uncle, we talk all sorts of shop about which girl, which establishments, pricing strategies, etc and will do so at a business lunch or the family table.

Now when I say "nobody" I don't mean everybody, what I mean, and what folk seemed to miss here, is contextual. This entire conversation starter was about the monger community hence I don't really care about your aunt, sister, pastor, etc; I'm not going to run into them walking through the hallways of Empire unless they working or playing there. What I'm saying here is in my experience mongering around the damn world I'm never seen such crazy paranoid secrecy IN THE HALLS OF THE WHOREHOUSE (AMP, massage parlor, whatever you want to call them) and that is the ONLY context I'm talking here and that's what I'm curious about. Look if you and your kid's elementary school teacher run into each other at the VIP, who cares; it's like running into them at a crackhouse. You are both in the hobby so you can count on each other to STFU and not talk about it in polite company. If you run into your bosses boss, ditto. It's not like he is going to call your wife and be like "Hey I ran into your husband at the whorehouse". I'm not about interactions with NON-HOBBYISTS which is where folk seemed to take this. So something is particular unique in my experience about how secretive mongers are WITH EACH OTHER to the point they can't even have a five second hallway passing or feel embarrassed / shamed seeing each other on the elevator at CC and the AMPs go out their way out traffic control to try and ensure folk don't run into each other; that's what I find curious and that's something I find uniquely local. Quit trying to blow this up outside that context but I wasn't going there.

Or to use Macko69 scale, everybody here is talking about "4" interacting with "1" at Safeway or hell even "4" talking to "3" in Church. What I find interesting is the craziness around a 4 talking to another 2/3/4 IN THE DAMN AMP ITSELF.

[Lomion]

No we don't do real names because of illegal activities, not for embarrassment. I talk about exploits with girls past the statute of limitations all the time under my real name on Facebook. I truly don't care outside LEO who knows I monger. I've talked about my past illegal drug use openly also, this shit not bother me. I'm just not one to give a rats ass about what folk do on their personal time. It's like gay marriage WTF do I care, they ain't making me marry a man. If my mom is interested who I paid to suck me off ten minutes ago she is free to ask and I would tell her. I don't get this shame crap over mongering, after all all girls are providers, some you just have to pay for with a ring or dinner. Either way you trading resources for sex.

But all that irrelevant to the fact people can't stand to have a two minute elevator conversation in CC over who you both just fucked.

[LiveDieRepeat]

No, the context that you put your comments in weren't limited just to conversations you have at an AMP. Here's what you said in your comment that I originally responded to was this:

You obviously think that people outside of Hawaii openly talk about mongering at work. I doubt that it's as common as you seem to think.

In regards to your comment: "You are both in the hobby so you can count on each other to STFU and not talk about it in polite company. ", I also disagree. Just because someone is in the hobby too doesn't mean they'll have the same beliefs about how discrete they should be. Maybe the other person is single and they don't give a fuck what other people think about them, so they don't mind if everyone knows about their mongering hobby. We all know people like that. I have relatives like that. I don't want someone like that to be telling everyone stories about the time he saw me at Top Spa (or wherever). I have kids. I have a lot of clients who rely on my advice, mostly women. I have aunties, uncles, neighbors and friends who look up to me as a "good boy". I don't want these people to know my sexual proclivities. It's not "crazy paranoid secrecy" like you make it out to be. It's just taking reasonable steps to limit the amount of people who know about my hobby. The less other people know, the less I need to worry about.

I would prefer not to see any other dudes at AMPs, but if I do, oh well, so be it. Yeah, I don't make eye contact or conversation with other guys at AMPs. Why should I look at them and make small talk? I'm not going there to make buddies with other guys.

If you want to be open about it with certain people in your life, good for you. But it's kind of foolish if you can't understand why on an island like Oahu, certain guys like to keep their illegal hobby a secret. Anyone who can't understand that is an idiot.The one time a guy tried to talk to me outside an AMP, I thought it was weird, I just muttered something non-committal and left. The next time I was there the girls told me he was an undercover LE.

[Macko69]

I don't get this shame crap over mongering, after all all girls are providers, some you just have to pay for with a ring or dinner. Either way you trading resources for sex.

But all that irrelevant to the fact people can't stand to have a two minute elevator conversation in CC over who you both just fucked.Ah, I see what's going on now. You try to chat up some dude in an elevator after you both mongered at the same place and he gave you the cold shoulder so it hurt your feelings. It could very well be that he wasn't ashamed. After all, how the fuck would you know what he was thinking? You probably came on too strong and he wasn't liking the vibe you put out so he was trying to ignore you.

So you're open to all sorts of people in your life knowing you monger. Good for you. But if you are unable to understand why other guys might not want people to know and tend to be secretive about it, well, that's a sign of immaturity and a lack of imagination on your part that you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes and understand why they'd do this. Sometimes it might be shame. Other times it's about self preservation, as someone mentioned earlier. You don't know.

And that crap about ". All women are providers. Trading resources for sex. " Yeah, that shit is archaic and laughable. The reason why some guys feel like this is low self esteem. They can't even imagine that a woman would be with them just because she wanted to, or that she had sex because she wanted it. They feel that a woman only wants to be with them if they're giving something in return like dinners or jewelry. Who knows, maybe in your case it's true?

Anyway, from your earlier post, it seems you're really disgruntled with life in Hawaii. If you really feel this way, you should probably move. Obviously, people in the USA And around the world don't really share your disdain for Hawaii. People are willing to pay a huge premium to live here because it's pretty fucking awesome to live here. If you can't appreciate it, do yourself a favor and leave.

[Larry Hoover]

Ah, I see what's going on now. You try to chat up some dude in an elevator after you both mongered at the same place and he gave you the cold shoulder and it hurt your feelings. It could very well be that he wasn't ashamed. After all, how the fuck would you know what he was thinking? You probably came on too strong and he wasn't liking the vibe you put out so he was trying to ignore you.

So you're open to all sorts of people in your life knowing you monger. Good for you. But if you are unable to understand why other guys might not want people to know and tend to be secretive about it, well, that's a sign of immaturity and a lack of imagination on your part that you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes and understand why they'd do this. Sometimes it might be shame. Other times it's about self preservation, as someone mentioned earlier. You don't know.

And that crap about ". All women are providers. Trading resources for sex. " Yeah, that shit is archaic and laughable. The reason why some guys feel like this is low self esteem. They can't even imagine that a woman would be with them just because she wanted to, or that she had sex because she wanted it. They feel that a woman only wants to be with them if they're giving something in return like dinners or jewelry. Who knows, maybe in your case it's true?

Anyway, from your earlier post, it seems you're really disgruntled with life in Hawaii. If you really feel this way, you should probably move. Obviously, people in the USA And around the world don't really share your disdain for Hawaii. People are willing to pay a huge premium to live here because it's pretty fucking awesome to live here. If you can't appreciate it, do yourself a favor and leave.Even though Lomion rambled, he does have a point about the mindset out here.

[Memahu]

So let me state one thing I really can't stand about this state is this inferiority complex everybody whose local seems to have about "us v. Mainland" and how they take everything as an attack, etc. Like it or not Hawaii is part of America and has been part of America for longer than it was Hawaii.You can find inferiority complex at every town in the USA. You can't go into any town in the USA and try to pick up a local girl there without a bunch of local guys wanting to fight you. They will use the fake being a victim of "YOU THINK YOU BETTER THAN ME" as a battlecry to gang up and false crack you. Get same smell all ovah da country.

[Memahu]

I once ran into a local TV sports commentator in the hallway of Rose Marie going to a room with a Korean provider. He had a towel over his head to hide himself, but I recognize him and later asked my provider if indeed he worked for the local TV station, she said he comes often. He probably not getting any from the wife and not my business to be concern about.There are local celebrites who have local asian wives. Maybe these wives have too much tita in them. You can't take the tita out of a girl who was born and raised in Hawaii. He just wanted a more softer Asian woman from Asia from time to time.

[DickTracy25]

Yes, that is what happen when you " Getting Old", no can't fuck princess with a limp dick, can see he is frustrated, that is why he comes here to lay his two cents. Keep on trolling fool, carry on!

[Shipshape]

There are local celebrites who have local asian wives. Maybe these wives have too much tita in them. You can't take the tita out of a girl who was born and raised in Hawaii. He just wanted a more softer Asian woman from Asia from time to time.If it's who I think he is referring to, then your speculation is WAY off not to mention your generalization about local girls.

Ss.

[Realdeal808]

No we don't do real names because of illegal activities, not for embarrassment. I talk about exploits with girls past the statute of limitations all the time under my real name on Facebook. I truly don't care outside LEO who knows I monger. I've talked about my past illegal drug use openly also, this shit not bother me. I'm just not one to give a rats ass about what folk do on their personal time. It's like gay marriage WTF do I care, they ain't making me marry a man. If my mom is interested who I paid to suck me off ten minutes ago she is free to ask and I would tell her. I don't get this shame crap over mongering, after all all girls are providers, some you just have to pay for with a ring or dinner. Either way you trading resources for sex.

But all that irrelevant to the fact people can't stand to have a two minute elevator conversation in CC over who you both just fucked.I think you answered your own question without even knowing it. You state you are reluctant to share your real name since you are talking about illegal activity. That in itself should answer your question as to why people don't want to be seen or carry on a convo with you. It may not necessarily have to do with shame. YOU may not give a rat's ass whether others know about your activities, but the other guy may have way more to lose than you. It's a matter of each individual's circumstances. For example, the guy you see in the elevator may have a prominent position where a public outing of his activities would lead to his demise career-wise or in his community standing. Now YOU may not out him but how would he know that? Safer for the guy to ignore everyone he comes in contact with at the establishment. If you can't understand that then something's wrong.

[Memahu]

If it's who I think he is referring to, then your speculation is WAY off not to mention your generalization about local girls.

Ss.That observation would probably be censored in a Frank DeLima's act. That material might be for more for an Augie's audience.

[Shipshape]

That observation would probably be censored in a Frank DeLima's act. That material might be for more for an Augie's audience.True that. It would appear that more than one "celeb" has been spotted in an AMP. Poor guys. Me, I'm just a caveman (a term coined by Mr. HM) who can blend into the walls quite nicely. These poor guys are recognized everywhere they go.

Ss.

[H Mobius]

True that. It would appear that more than one "celeb" has been spotted in an AMP. Poor guys. Me, I'm just a caveman (a term coined by Mr. HM) who can blend into the walls quite nicely. These poor guys are recognized everywhere they go.

Ss.They should be wearing caps backwards or sideways and shades, like some mongers I've seen in the CC lobby.

Junk thing about looking like a caveman is the druggies ask for 420 or clear.

[John Ross]

Hana is back teaming up with her sister Ann once again at PC Bonita. We all know she got games, just name it. With her new DD boobs, she is good to go.The ironic thing is you bash us old goats, but you praise Hana, who is even older than we are.

[DickTracy25]

I praise you too if you have DD breast and pussy between your legs.


The ironic thing is you bash us old goats, but you praise Hana, who is even older than we are..

[Lomion]

And that crap about ". All women are providers. Trading resources for sex. " Yeah, that shit is archaic and laughable. The reason why some guys feel like this is low self esteem. They can't even imagine that a woman would be with them just because she wanted to, or that she had sex because she wanted it. They feel that a woman only wants to be with them if they're giving something in return like dinners or jewelry. Who knows, maybe in your case it's true?.Well Macko69 if you are one of the few gifted men in the world that gets sex regularly and repeatedly without spending a dime on women you are a better than 99% of us because I haven't met a man in my life (outside an occasional random one night stand or hook-up) that has managed to pull a woman without spending cash on her whether that is dinner, flowers, a ring, groceries, the electric bill, primary earner marriage, etc. Women are hypergamy by nature (well documented in human sexuality literature) and as the old saying goes "What do you call a unemployed woman, a housewife. What do you call an unemployed man, deadbeat and soon to be divorced" or if you've been married and your wife works the modern feminist version (female voice) "My money is my money, your money is my money. What the fuck do I need a man for if I'm giving him my money. ". Outside rare matriarchal poor cultures (inner city black families, some Micronesia islands, etc) a broke homeless man with no job and no resources ain't getting laid. It's also why cultures which have practiced polygamy are usually more violent because the dudes with the resources monopolize all the women leaving broke young dudes horny as hell and a need to "go to war" to both burn off that pent up love and get additional resources (so they can come back and get a chick). Fundamental rule of nature across most species is "Males display, Females choose". Humans ain't no different. Sure your girlfriend may love you more than your moke bruddah for reasons consciously unrelated to resources but it's there whether they will admit it or not. Stop spending a dime on your girl or even better, quit your job and ask her to support you for the next twenty years, and see how long your relationship lasts. Ever dealt with family law much? You want to see a insanely pissed woman, find one of the few cases where they are forced to pay the man alimony.

Sorry brah but hell will freeze over before you find me a significant number of men, over his lifetime, that has received more in resources from a woman that he spent on them and ditto the inverse. That goes for you also.

And don't confuse why people move to Hawaii with the culture which you imply. You could kill every last man, woman, and child on this island and within five to ten years it would be fully repopulated. Folk move here nowadays for the climate, geography, money laundering, surf, hype, and high East Asian population. Not the musubis and mokes.

[Getting Old]

Well Macko69 if you are one of the few gifted men in the world that gets sex regularly and repeatedly without spending a dime on women you are a better than 99% of us because I haven't met a man in my life (outside an occasional random one night stand or hook-up) that has managed to pull a woman without spending cash on her whether that is dinner, flowers, a ring, groceries, the electric bill, primary earner marriage, etc. Women are hypergamy by nature (well documented in human sexuality literature) and as the old saying goes "What do you call a unemployed woman, a housewife. What do you call an unemployed man, deadbeat and soon to be divorced" or if you've been married and your wife works the modern feminist version (female voice) "My money is my money, your money is my money. What the fuck do I need a man for if I'm giving him my money. ". Outside rare matriarchal poor cultures (inner city black families, some Micronesia islands, etc) a broke homeless man with no job and no resources ain't getting laid. It's also why cultures which have practiced polygamy are usually more violent because the dudes with the resources monopolize all the women leaving broke young dudes horny as hell and a need to "go to war" to both burn off that pent up love and get additional resources (so they can come back and get a chick). Fundamental rule of nature across most species is "Males display, Females choose". Humans ain't no different. Sure your girlfriend may love you more than your moke bruddah for reasons consciously unrelated to resources but it's there whether they will admit it or not. Stop spending a dime on your girl or even better, quit your job and ask her to support you for the next twenty years, and see how long your relationship lasts. Ever dealt with family law much? You want to see a insanely pissed woman, find one of the few cases where they are forced to pay the man alimony.

Sorry brah but hell will freeze over before you find me a significant number of men, over his lifetime, that has received more in resources from a woman that he spent on them and ditto the inverse. That goes for you also.

And don't confuse why people move to Hawaii with the culture which you imply. You could kill every last man, woman, and child on this island and within five to ten years it would be fully repopulated. Folk move here nowadays for the climate, geography, money laundering, surf, hype, and high East Asian population. Not the musubis and mokes.If you hate it here so much, have that Multi-national (BAE or whoever) transfer your ass back to a foreign duty station where it seems you prefer than the good old USA. Since you out in Waianae you probably contracted for the Navy. Kaena Point or Naval communications. We don't need you or from what I have read you like to see yourself post and get into these "conversations" we were fine without your coming and we will be fine with your leaving as well. Why do we have to shape ourselves in your opinion of what is right, and when tested to give your real name you declined to. If mongering was so accepted then I am sure you are not in jeopardy of loosing your security clearance. Because you monger. Anyway like I said before and I am being redundant you should just shut your trap till you get acclimated and if you don't like it leave the islands ask for a transfer. Unless you've been run out of every other station you could be posted to? Transfer. The hell out of paradise or Purgatory according to you.

[Getting Old]

The ironic thing is you bash us old goats, but you praise Hana, who is even older than we are.Well now you know brother JR he bangs what he can get, implied and stated by his own words. A troll he needs to be ignored that's the only way to shut them up get another one on this blog anyway don't waste your time unless you looking for some comic relief. He is funny with his fantasies some times and the stories he makes up. Anyway you tried now it's time to rip and tear the fantasy. It really is too easy. For Senior Member of the bar scene. He is wide open and an open book. If he were wise and he has proven he is not time and time again he would have asked you or Oldee or anyone of the Senior members for some help and guidance. At least save a couple bucks. Oldee is really good at that. You for your wealth of knowledge and brother Beer Addict who he attacked in his earlier posts (guess jealous due to his income? He burned most of the bridges open to him and now can only add his 2 cents as no one believes him or his stories anymore. Comic relief, as this guy is a joke.

[DickTracy25]

So limp cook is running his mouth again, " I understand his frustration, no can fuck princess, beating his meat can't help him either cause he can't get up. " getting old" is to blame, bet he wishes he gets his youth back and next live he hopes he looks as good as Brad.

[SlappinBellies]

Well Macko69 if you are one of the few gifted men in the world that gets sex regularly and repeatedly without spending a dime on women you are a better than 99% of us because I haven't met a man in my life (outside an occasional random one night stand or hook-up) that has managed to pull a woman without spending cash on her whether that is dinner, flowers, a ring, groceries, the electric bill, primary earner marriage, etc. Women are hypergamy by nature (well documented in human sexuality literature) and as the old saying goes "What do you call a unemployed woman, a housewife. What do you call an unemployed man, deadbeat and soon to be divorced" or if you've been married and your wife works the modern feminist version (female voice) "My money is my money, your money is my money. What the fuck do I need a man for if I'm giving him my money. ". Outside rare matriarchal poor cultures (inner city black families, some Micronesia islands, etc) a broke homeless man with no job and no resources ain't getting laid. It's also why cultures which have practiced polygamy are usually more violent because the dudes with the resources monopolize all the women leaving broke young dudes horny as hell and a need to "go to war" to both burn off that pent up love and get additional resources (so they can come back and get a chick). Fundamental rule of nature across most species is "Males display, Females choose". Humans ain't no different. Sure your girlfriend may love you more than your moke bruddah for reasons consciously unrelated to resources but it's there whether they will admit it or not. Stop spending a dime on your girl or even better, quit your job and ask her to support you for the next twenty years, and see how long your relationship lasts. Ever dealt with family law much? You want to see a insanely pissed woman, find one of the few cases where they are forced to pay the man alimony.

Sorry brah but hell will freeze over before you find me a significant number of men, over his lifetime, that has received more in resources from a woman that he spent on them and ditto the inverse. That goes for you also.

And don't confuse why people move to Hawaii with the culture which you imply. You could kill every last man, woman, and child on this island and within five to ten years it would be fully repopulated. Folk move here nowadays for the climate, geography, money laundering, surf, hype, and high East Asian population. Not the musubis and mokes.I have read all your pointless positions and I have found the solution to your problem. It appears that by visiting parlors your not satisfied. What you so strongly desire is some dick in your ass. For a well traveled monger you have been trying to tell the forum for 4 days of your desires and yet nobody understands you. I see your kine all the time as, I too travel around the world mongering not for dick but for pussy. And, although I don't feel the urge to share this with everybody I have seen your type and understand it from afar.

Now, come to daddy. I'll give you some dick shove it far up your ass until I hear that high pitch screeching noise then I will pull out. When I see that look of content I know you are satisfied. I am ok with you sharing with everybody on the board how far I shoved my cock up inside you. I only ask that you show no shame and share with all you see.

The board can thank me later for shutting this wanker up.

[USukebe2]

RATING LOOKS.

10 She was a one in a million.

9 She was model material.

8 She was really hot.

7 She was attractive.

6 She was nice looking.

5 She was plain looking.

4 OK, If you are drunk.

3 She was fairly homely.

2 She was simply ugly.

1 I was really scared.

Notice that a 6 is nice looking.


In regard the rating of the girls looks, why'all need to relax. I go to AMP's to get with women who I can't get off the street.Rating women's looks would be fine and dandy if all men agreed to one universal rating system but that is not the case. What floats my boat may not necessarily float yours. We are all different in our likes and dislikes so that ain't going to work. For example I think Angelina Jolie is damn sexy but I don't think she's beautiful. To me beauty does not necessarily equate to sexy and vise versa.

But how's this food for thought. Some of us wouldn't be able to see some of these beautiful women if it wasn't for the fact that we are paying them. So what does that say about us? Yeah think about it. So how about we all get off of our high horses and enjoy these fine women without the added drama?

[LocoBoy]

Personally, I would get rid of all the numbers and just give detailed descriptions of the providers. Height, weight, color, hair, body type, attributes, attitude, etc. I see it this way, some of us like meat, others chicken, then there are those into fish and cannot forget the vegetarians. Bottom line is we all have different tastes so we will never see things in the same light. If we get rid of the numbers and go with good descriptions we all can make better decisions based on that. Same with age since we all see things with different eyes, I would just say Young Un, Average, MILF. Yes, there is some concern with age for different reasons both positive and negative but those three categories should cover what is needed to know. I think someone said it the best already, can't we all agree to disagree? All we really want is to know is if the provider being reviewed has potential for ME. There has been so much discussion on these two very subject lately that it has taken away from just being able to read reviews. In the end aren't we all looking for the same thing? Who we might want to see and who to stay away from! I may get bashed for this but I think most would just want to know who they would be interested in.


Rating women's looks would be fine and dandy if all men agreed to one universal rating system but that is not the case. What floats my boat may not necessarily float yours. We are all different in our likes and dislikes so that ain't going to work. For example I think Angelina Jolie is damn sexy but I don't think she's beautiful. To me beauty does not necessarily equate to sexy and vise versa.

But how's this food for thought. Some of us wouldn't be able to see some of these beautiful women if it wasn't for the fact that we are paying them. So what does that say about us? Yeah think about it. So how about we all get off of our high horses and enjoy these fine women without the added drama?

[Admin2]

I've seen discussions moved there from a thread. How do I do that? Can I?


CTRL see or CTRL X. Go to the thread and CTRL V. Nuff said.Shaggy what I've always done is quote the post ON the original thread then copy all of the quotes in the box when it pops up, then navigate to the thread I want to put it on, then open a new report, then copy in the quotes and start writing.

That's how I did this one.

If that's what you're talking about then obviously "CTRL see or CTRL X. Go to the thread and CTRL V" isn't nuff said because you would just be copying the words and not making the quote live. However if you have a faster way of doing what I did here then please share in a little more detail. I've got a computer science degree and I need some more info to understand.

A2.

[Larry Hoover]

Personally, I would get rid of all the numbers and just give detailed descriptions of the providers. Height, weight, color, hair, body type, attributes, attitude, etc. I see it this way, some of us like meat, others chicken, then there are those into fish and cannot forget the vegetarians. Bottom line is we all have different tastes so we will never see things in the same light. If we get rid of the numbers and go with good descriptions we all can make better decisions based on that. Same with age since we all see things with different eyes, I would just say Young Un, Average, MILF. Yes, there is some concern with age for different reasons both positive and negative but those three categories should cover what is needed to know. I think someone said it the best already, can't we all agree to disagree? All we really want is to know is if the provider being reviewed has potential for ME. There has been so much discussion on these two very subject lately that it has taken away from just being able to read reviews. In the end aren't we all looking for the same thing? Who we might want to see and who to stay away from! I may get bashed for this but I think most would just want to know who they would be interested in.I think this is a good concept, but most mongrels paying attention to the reviews are already attracted to the provider and want to see if her pics are accurate. Let's take Sushi for example. I thought she was cute, and she had been rated as a 7 numerous times. I saw her for myself and I figured her to be a 7 as well. Ratings are pretty subjective but they also have a ring of truth if multiple people say it. Even if different ratings are used, the actual rating usually falls somewhere in the middle.

[Goser]

Rating women's looks would be fine and dandy if all men agreed to one universal rating system but that is not the case. What floats my boat may not necessarily float yours. We are all different in our likes and dislikes so that ain't going to work. For example I think Angelina Jolie is damn sexy but I don't think she's beautiful. To me beauty does not necessarily equate to sexy and vise versa.

But how's this food for thought. Some of us wouldn't be able to see some of these beautiful women if it wasn't for the fact that we are paying them. So what does that say about us? Yeah think about it. So how about we all get off of our high horses and enjoy these fine women without the added drama?There's no need for a universal rating system. Yelp and Trip Advisor don't have universal rating systems and those review sites help immensely at picking a restaurant in a new city. A rating system helps you to screen for a range you care about. Then, you read the detailed reports to figure out exactly where you want to go. It's not a perfect way to pick a restaurant, but it is way better than looking through the window to see what it might be like.

[Goser]

I think this is a good concept, but most mongrels paying attention to the reviews are already attracted to the provider and want to see if her pics are accurate. Let's take Sushi for example. I thought she was cute, and she had been rated as a 7 numerous times. I saw her for myself and I figured her to be a 7 as well. Ratings are pretty subjective but they also have a ring of truth if multiple people say it. Even if different ratings are used, the actual rating usually falls somewhere in the middle.Exactly. We need more ratings of girls, not less. Then, a reader can throw out the high and the low rating and average the rest to get a more accurate picture of looks. The best thing would be for the AMP to post pictures with faces like Empire used to do. Even then, girls don't always look like their pictures, especially when they are glamour sots and / or have been photoshopped.

[Nutmaker]

Does any body know what the word subjective means? OMG!

[Nutmaker]

Shaggy what I've always done is quote the post ON the original thread then copy all of the quotes in the box when it pops up, then navigate to the thread I want to put it on, then open a new report, then copy in the quotes and start writing.

That's how I did this one.

If that's what you're talking about then obviously "CTRL see or CTRL X. Go to the thread and CTRL V" isn't nuff said because you would just be copying the words and not making the quote live. However if you have a faster way of doing what I did here then please share in a little more detail. I've got a computer science degree and I need some more info to understand.

A2.So, basically I can't do it from my phone. Thanks all.

[Punanilicr]

Does any body know what the word subjective means? OMG!http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-objective-and-subjective/

And still, some won't get it, LOL.

[Goser]

Does any body know what the word subjective means? OMG!Yes. We know what it means. What's your fucking point?

All ratings are subjective, dumb shit. In your world, there would be no ratings or everyone would get the same rating. This is the same mentality that gives everyone participation trophies just for showing up. Go to Yelp and Tripadvisor and see their ratings. They are all subjective. That in no way means they aren't useful. Perhaps if you used it once in a while, you wouldn't have to eat at McDonalds for your entire trip.

The biggest issue with reviews on this site is that there isn't enough ratings and when they are given they are often times inflated or bad reviews are not provided in order to protect the girls in some way. That's the whole point behind my raising this issue. If you think I am alone, you are totally clueless since a monger just today sent me a message to thank me for it while expressing the exact same issue.

[Lonely Smiles]

Figured I would ask here so you all can make fun of my question openly LOL. Anyone have experience with tanning? Aside from what comes naturally at the beach, I have no experience with a tanning salon. Many of the popular girls do it and I think a nice tan is super attractive.

Along those lines, I'm curious about getting a tan that would include the nether regions since its not exactly like Hawaii is full of nude beaches. I can get nice color naturally on my torso and arms, but anything below the belt is stark contrast. And I wouldn't be caught dead in a Speedo.

Feel free to pm me. Even if you think this is about as vain and socially unacceptable as a man getting a pedicure, hey as least you are smirking right now? I know I know, "hand over your man card."

For the record, I haven't gotten a pedicure in my life, yet. But I do trim and file my finger nails and toe nails regularly, especially before going to an AMP. Girls hate the sight of gritty "eagle claw" nails. If you want to have a good chance at FIA and FIV, got to keep that shit clean!!

[Nutmaker]

Figured I would ask here so you all can make fun of my question openly LOL. Anyone have experience with tanning? Aside from what comes naturally at the beach, I have no experience with a tanning salon. Many of the popular girls do it and I think a nice tan is super attractive.

Along those lines, I'm curious about getting a tan that would include the nether regions since its not exactly like Hawaii is full of nude beaches. I can get nice color naturally on my torso and arms, but anything below the belt is stark contrast. And I wouldn't be caught dead in a Speedo.

Feel free to pm me. Even if you think this is about as vain and socially unacceptable as a man getting a pedicure, hey as least you are smirking right now? I know I know, "hand over your man card."

For the record, I haven't gotten a pedicure in my life, yet. But I do trim and file my finger nails and toe nails regularly, especially before going to an AMP. Girls hate the sight of gritty "eagle claw" nails. If you want to have a good chance at FIA and FIV, got to keep that shit clean!!Your best bet would be to ask one of the girls that goes to one. You might even get a recommendation.

No judging from me on this one.

[Lonely Smiles]

Your best bet would be to ask one of the girls that goes to one. You might even get a recommendation.

No judging from me on this one.You make an excellent point. I'm sure the women at Happiness or Rejuve could steer me in the right direction. For now it's a curiosity. We'll see.

[Getting Old]

I maybe an old goat but my cock is not limp at least not for 60 minutes after I take the medication from the Universal men's clinic. I am not promoting this clinic but what they offer does work, but it is not cheap. I doubt the young goat can afford the treatments involved. I can also guarantee my dick is able to last the full 60 minutes whereas his goes up and down depending on the stimulation and situation (fuguly old ladies in Pearl City and Waipahu? The princesses have multiple O's in that one hour time. LOL. Doubt he can say the same. Like I said before all it takes is male vanity and MONEY!!

I may not look like Brad Pitt but as we all know "money talks and bullshit walks" so troll get walking, just to set the record straight. If you not spending $2-$3/ night you ain't even in the same league. Go play with the little boys in the small pool. Where you belong. I mean no offense to the other retirees on this blog but this not so young person gets my goat, be safe and watch out for the guys in blue.

[DickTracy25]

When you "Getting Old" with a limp cock, why denied and still talking like a young man. A princess told me once old goat is only good for cuddle and shooting the shit. What can you expect from an old goat? No more milking even if you try to jerk yourself off.

[Kaina2076]

When you "Getting Old" with a limp cock, why denied and still talking like a young man. A princess told me once old goat is only good for cuddle and shooting the shit. What can you expect from an old goat? No more milking even if you try to jerk yourself off.DT, glad to see you posting here in Like Beef Lolo. Seems that after a period of decent contributions to the KB reports that you've again descended into your Brad Pitt troll fantasy that no one wants to hear about. But if you must, then keep it here in this thread and leave it out of the other threads where we're looking for information and an occasional interesting "true" story.

Kaina.

[Nutmaker]

Yes. We know what it means. What's your fucking point?

All ratings are subjective, dumb shit. In your world, there would be no ratings or everyone would get the same rating. This is the same mentality that gives everyone participation trophies just for showing up. Go to Yelp and Tripadvisor and see their ratings. They are all subjective. That in no way means they aren't useful. Perhaps if you used it once in a while, you wouldn't have to eat at McDonalds for your entire trip.

The biggest issue with reviews on this site is that there isn't enough ratings and when they are given they are often times inflated or bad reviews are not provided in order to protect the girls in some way. That's the whole point behind my raising this issue. If you think I am alone, you are totally clueless since a monger just today sent me a message to thank me for it while expressing the exact same issue.I don't think you're alone in your myopic way of thinking. It's prety clear that there seem to be to ways of thinking when it comes to this issue. Wow, imagine that, two totally different points of view. What a concept.
Also, participation awards are for children so that no one gets hurt. Real men play sports that assign a ranking based on wins and loses, an objective rating, not a ranking based on an opinion like figure skating and water dancing, where a score is assigned, that's subjective. Get it? I doubt it, as you've stuck to your premise that assigning a number for looks is the way to write a review. If one were to just give a description of a woman's looks, a person with a half a brain could decide if that woman is attractive based on the picture painted by the writer. But that means thinking. Don't wanna do that. I'll just give my opinion, and screw everyone else what they think.
McDonalds? Please, that shit is full of fillers, no substance. Kind of like writing a review that says I did her, she was pretty, or I did her, but she was a dog. Have a little manners when operating through polite society. No need to be mean when describing someone. Simply use your words. Yes, words, not numbers.
Try and have a little substance when you try to berate someone. It makes you look like someone worth listening to.

[HapaBoy86]

Figured I would ask here so you all can make fun of my question openly LOL. Anyone have experience with tanning? Aside from what comes naturally at the beach, I have no experience with a tanning salon. Many of the popular girls do it and I think a nice tan is super attractive.

Along those lines, I'm curious about getting a tan that would include the nether regions since its not exactly like Hawaii is full of nude beaches. I can get nice color naturally on my torso and arms, but anything below the belt is stark contrast. And I wouldn't be caught dead in a Speedo.

Feel free to pm me. Even if you think this is about as vain and socially unacceptable as a man getting a pedicure, hey as least you are smirking right now? I know I know, "hand over your man card."

For the record, I haven't gotten a pedicure in my life, yet. But I do trim and file my finger nails and toe nails regularly, especially before going to an AMP. Girls hate the sight of gritty "eagle claw" nails. If you want to have a good chance at FIA and FIV, got to keep that shit clean!!Nothing wrong with going to tanning salons I go.

[Larry Hoover]

I don't think you're alone in your myopic way of thinking. It's prety clear that there seem to be to ways of thinking when it comes to this issue. Wow, imagine that, two totally different points of view. What a concept.I wouldn't say that's a myopic way to look at it. It's actually pretty logical (what Goser said). More ratings would give better insight to a provider's true value. Let's take Hapa Jasmine for an example. There's always going to be an asshole that gives her 1's across the board, but 99 other mongers gave her 9's and 10's over time. Which means there's a pretty good chance that you're going to have a good time if you see her. What I'm saying by all this is that even though all ratings are subjective, there's usually some kind of consistency or pattern that will help you gauge if she's worth the trip.

One more thing. I've written numerous reviews and forgot to post the LSA. It never fails, someone either asks me for them on the open forum or through PM. Might as well keep using the numbers if they help people.

[Nutmaker]

I wouldn't say that's a myopic way to look at it. It's actually pretty logical (what Goser said). More ratings would give better insight to a provider's true value. Let's take Hapa Jasmine for an example. There's always going to be an asshole that gives her 1's across the board, but 99 other mongers gave her 9's and 10's over time. Which means there's a pretty good chance that you're going to have a good time if you see her. What I'm saying by all this is that even though all ratings are subjective, there's usually some kind of consistency or pattern that will help you gauge if she's worth the trip.

One more thing. I've written numerous reviews and forgot to post the LSA. It never fails, someone either asks me for them on the open forum or through PM. Might as well keep using the numbers if they help people.I never said they didn't help, and in the example that you gave, it's very true, but when I see someone give ratings and rankings of girls faces that I totally disagree with and then point out WHY I disagree with them, that's where I have the issue. Rankings do help, but so do descriptions.

I mean, Muni, a 6, really? Wow!
And my myopic come t was more or less aimed at the fact that he was so adamant about his way is the only way, but refusing to see things objectively.

[DickTracy25]

All my reports are true, if someone would like to confront me then I would not hesitate to fire back. Like I have been reporting Summit is slow and someone said like it was bullshit. I reporting Hana is back at work but someone said something too. I don't come here to play game, but if someone like to play game with me, let's bring it on!


DT, glad to see you posting here in Like Beef Lolo. Seems that after a period of decent contributions to the KB reports that you've again descended into your Brad Pitt troll fantasy that no one wants to hear about. But if you must, then keep it here in this thread and leave it out of the other threads where we're looking for information and an occasional interesting "true" story.

Kaina..

[Uki Eater]

Figured I would ask here so you all can make fun of my question openly LOL. Anyone have experience with tanning? Aside from what comes naturally at the beach, I have no experience with a tanning salon. Many of the popular girls do it and I think a nice tan is super attractive.

Along those lines, I'm curious about getting a tan that would include the nether regions since its not exactly like Hawaii is full of nude beaches. I can get nice color naturally on my torso and arms, but anything below the belt is stark contrast. And I wouldn't be caught dead in a Speedo.

Feel free to pm me. Even if you think this is about as vain and socially unacceptable as a man getting a pedicure, hey as least you are smirking right now? I know I know, "hand over your man card."

For the record, I haven't gotten a pedicure in my life, yet. But I do trim and file my finger nails and toe nails regularly, especially before going to an AMP. Girls hate the sight of gritty "eagle claw" nails. If you want to have a good chance at FIA and FIV, got to keep that shit clean!!Some tanning booths (high pressure standing ones) are stronger than the bed types (lying on your back) that you only need to stay in the tanning booth for a shorter time. Before you go in, you need to wear those protective glasses or else they won't let you go into the tanning booth. The standing ones have a fan from below or on the top blowing air and foot placement indicators to place your foot. Also, there are handles for you to hold up your arms so it can tan the armpit area. The benefits with the standing ones vs the bed types is you get a more even tan and there's more open space to move around. However, they do cost more than the bed type.

What happens is they program the time limit (depending how long you want 5 min, 6 min, 10 min etc) of the tanning booth and you can hit start anytime you want once you enter the tanning booth. If you want to stop, you can also step out and it will stop automatically. You go back in and hit start and it will continue where it left off. I would cover your face and ear area since the face is exposed to the sun already. Plus, the private area should be covered up. The private area skin is sensitive and I wouldn't expose that to the UV rays. I read this on muscle & fitness magazine years ago. Get the tanning packages for a better deal. If you do a single high pressure standing one, it can be $30 - $40 just for that 1 time visit.

Ask the workers there what they recommend. They may have you start off at a lower level first and then maybe later try out the higher pressure standing ones. They also sell these tanning lotions to help with the tanning but, those things are pricey.

[John Ross]

When you "Getting Old" with a limp cock, why denied and still talking like a young man. A princess told me once old goat is only good for cuddle and shooting the shit. What can you expect from an old goat? No more milking even if you try to jerk yourself off.Don't laugh. One day it will happen to you, if it already hasn't. I wouldn't mind trying V or see, but fortunately, I haven't had a need for it. The gf also gives me shit for wanting to try it. Think of V or see as a recreational drug as it only enhances the experience.

[Cosmic Kid]

Figured I would ask here so you all can make fun of my question openly LOL. Anyone have experience with tanning? Aside from what comes naturally at the beach, I have no experience with a tanning salon. Many of the popular girls do it and I think a nice tan is super attractive.

Along those lines, I'm curious about getting a tan that would include the nether regions since its not exactly like Hawaii is full of nude beaches. I can get nice color naturally on my torso and arms, but anything below the belt is stark contrast. And I wouldn't be caught dead in a Speedo.

Feel free to pm me. Even if you think this is about as vain and socially unacceptable as a man getting a pedicure, hey as least you are smirking right now? I know I know, "hand over your man card."

For the record, I haven't gotten a pedicure in my life, yet. But I do trim and file my finger nails and toe nails regularly, especially before going to an AMP. Girls hate the sight of gritty "eagle claw" nails. If you want to have a good chance at FIA and FIV, got to keep that shit clean!!Can't recall where I saw this but seems to me there is some controversy regarding the safety of those machines. Could be more of a skin cancer risk than the sun. I'm not insisting such reports are true but if you are going to start using tanning salons on a regular basis at least do your own online research first. Might be some designs and brands of those machines are safer than others. Just saying.

[Mondo Badfoot]

Quote Originally Posted by Goser (View Original Post)
RATING LOOKS.

10 She was a one in a million.

9 She was model material.

8 She was really hot.

7 She was attractive.

6 She was nice looking.

5 She was plain looking.

4 OK, If you are drunk.

3 She was fairly homely.

2 She was simply ugly.

1 I was really scared.

Notice that a 6 is nice looking.Not only does Goser think we should all use numerical ratings in our reviews, he thinks we should adopt his system for ratings! Anything else you think we should do? Nice of you to tell us that 6 is nice looking- after the fact! After you discouraged some guys from going to see Muni or whoever else they might have missed out on! Because, if you were honest, you would acknowledge that no one else in the world (but you) considers 6 a positive rating! I doubt your honesty after reading that you gave Muni a 6 and Yoko a 3.

As the Romans said- De gustibus non est disputandum! In matters of taste there can be no dispute! I fully agree that our opinions may differ, but there is a point, beyond which, you lose all credibility! I question your motives now, just like I have in the past when you reviewed girls on the Happiness thread only to talk about how much better this girl or that (who worked somewhere else) were.

Or like today when you posted this on the Rejuve thread-.

Happiness needs to recruit Bin, Wara, Molly, Vivian and Lux to come to her side. Actually, those 5 would make their own all star line up at any AMP.

Do you think we're all too lame to notice what you are trying to do? I'm sure Happy appreciates all the advice you've given her!

[Punanilicr]

Not only does Goser think we should all use numerical ratings in our reviews, he thinks we should adopt his system for ratings! Anything else you think we should do? Nice of you to tell us that 6 is nice looking- after the fact! After you discouraged some guys from going to see Muni or whoever else they might have missed out on! Because, if you were honest, you would acknowledge that no one else in the world (but you) considers 6 a positive rating! I doubt your honesty after reading that you gave Muni a 6 and Yoko a 3.

As the Romans said- De gustibus non est disputandum! In matters of taste there can be no dispute! I fully agree that our opinions may differ, but there is a point, beyond which, you lose all credibility! I question your motives now, just like I have in the past when you reviewed girls on the Happiness thread only to talk about how much better this girl or that (who worked somewhere else) were.

Or like today when you posted this on the Rejuve thread-.

Happiness needs to recruit Bin, Wara, Molly, Vivian and Lux to come to her side. Actually, those 5 would make their own all star line up at any AMP.

Do you think we're all too lame to notice what you are trying to do? I'm sure Happy appreciates all the advice you've given her!Dayum! The Professor busting out the Latin!! Big move, but even bigger points!!

I think what's funny is, Happy doesn't seem to be recruiting, rather girls are contacting her. What does THAT say? Kudos to Happy!

[Nutmaker]

Not only does Goser think we should all use numerical ratings in our reviews, he thinks we should adopt his system for ratings! Anything else you think we should do? Nice of you to tell us that 6 is nice looking- after the fact! After you discouraged some guys from going to see Muni or whoever else they might have missed out on! Because, if you were honest, you would acknowledge that no one else in the world (but you) considers 6 a positive rating! I doubt your honesty after reading that you gave Muni a 6 and Yoko a 3.

As the Romans said- De gustibus non est disputandum! In matters of taste there can be no dispute! I fully agree that our opinions may differ, but there is a point, beyond which, you lose all credibility! I question your motives now, just like I have in the past when you reviewed girls on the Happiness thread only to talk about how much better this girl or that (who worked somewhere else) were.

Or like today when you posted this on the Rejuve thread-.

Happiness needs to recruit Bin, Wara, Molly, Vivian and Lux to come to her side. Actually, those 5 would make their own all star line up at any AMP.

Do you think we're all too lame to notice what you are trying to do? I'm sure Happy appreciates all the advice you've given her!Using Gosers system to rate reviews.

5- It was helpful.

4- It was just like every other review of the provider.

3- It was boring.

2- It was stupid and mean.

1- it was really stupid and mean.

This system can be used for anyone's reviews, even mine. Now, use my system or you're an idiot, no matter what you think.

[Uki Eater]

Can't recall where I saw this but seems to me there is some controversy regarding the safety of those machines. Could be more of a skin cancer risk than the sun. I'm not insisting such reports are true but if you are going to start using tanning salons on a regular basis at least do your own online research first. Might be some designs and brands of those machines are safer than others. Just saying.Those tanning booths aren't any safer than the sun even though they may say it is. It still emits UV rays that can damage the skin. So, use caution the same way you do when tanning under the sun. I tried it years ago and my ears was stinging that I had to step out and cool off. This is with the high pressured stand up one.

[Goser]

Not only does Goser think we should all use numerical ratings in our reviews, he thinks we should adopt his system for ratings! Anything else you think we should do? Nice of you to tell us that 6 is nice looking- after the fact! After you discouraged some guys from going to see Muni or whoever else they might have missed out on! Because, if you were honest, you would acknowledge that no one else in the world (but you) considers 6 a positive rating! I doubt your honesty after reading that you gave Muni a 6 and Yoko a 3.

As the Romans said- De gustibus non est disputandum! In matters of taste there can be no dispute! I fully agree that our opinions may differ, but there is a point, beyond which, you lose all credibility! I question your motives now, just like I have in the past when you reviewed girls on the Happiness thread only to talk about how much better this girl or that (who worked somewhere else) were.

Or like today when you posted this on the Rejuve thread-.

Happiness needs to recruit Bin, Wara, Molly, Vivian and Lux to come to her side. Actually, those 5 would make their own all star line up at any AMP.

Do you think we're all too lame to notice what you are trying to do? I'm sure Happy appreciates all the advice you've given her!Fail. If you had half a brain, you would see that I copied and pasted that criteria from a popular review site. It's not my rating criteria pea brain. It's what someone else who is in the business uses as THEIR criteria. Out of respect for the owners of this board, I didn't post the name of the site from which that criteria originated. Google it. I posted it to show that there is justification for reviews I have given supported by MANY people in this industry. I have my own criteria and I will continue to use it. I even explain it. Muni is a 7 in looks with 6 in face and 8. 5 in body. A:9 and S: 9. That is my honest opinion and its above average. Proof is I have seen her twice. Also, my honest opinion is that Yoko is a 3 as was someone else who first gave her that rating. I just concurred with it. If you don't like it, give her a higher rating as others have. If she gets a lot of 8's and 9's, then mine will look like an outlier and will be ignored. I just call things the way I see them. I am getting a surprising number of private messages from mongers who agree with me who don't want to post because they are concerned about creating waves.

It's ironic that you think I have an agenda. What exactly do you think that is? My agenda is to get fair ratings out there so that mongers who don't get a chance to see as many girls as I do get a comparative analysis that can help them choose for themselves. My reviews are biased based on my preferences. So is everyone else's. They undertand that too. For some reason, you are butt hurt that I express my opinions. Guess what? Too fucking bad. I'll keep doing it. If you don't like it, put me on ignore.

[Goser]

Using Gosers system to rate reviews.

5- It was helpful.

4- It was just like every other review of the provider.

3- It was boring.

2- It was stupid and mean.

1- it was really stupid and mean.

This system can be used for anyone's reviews, even mine. Now, use my system or you're an idiot, no matter what you think.Why don't you google the review criteria I posted and see where it came from, genius.

If we doubled your IQ, you'd still be in double digits.

[Goser]

Dayum! The Professor busting out the Latin!! Big move, but even bigger points!!

I think what's funny is, Happy doesn't seem to be recruiting, rather girls are contacting her. What does THAT say? Kudos to Happy!If you think Happy isn't recruiting, you don't know how business works. She has a lot of contacts and she has a great reputation, but that doesn't mean she just waits for girls to call her. That would be stupid. Prior to some of the recent girls, Happy's place was known as a place for older girls. That came from a popular monger here, not me. That she is drawing younger ones is the main reason I gave her such a high review as an AMP owner.

As a side note, there was a huge dog fight for girls from China between Ivy and Yoyo. It was ugly and I never posted about it out of respect for the two owners. But, now that they are out of business, some of it might get out. But not from me.

[Goser]

I wouldn't say that's a myopic way to look at it. It's actually pretty logical (what Goser said). More ratings would give better insight to a provider's true value. Let's take Hapa Jasmine for an example. There's always going to be an asshole that gives her 1's across the board, but 99 other mongers gave her 9's and 10's over time. Which means there's a pretty good chance that you're going to have a good time if you see her. What I'm saying by all this is that even though all ratings are subjective, there's usually some kind of consistency or pattern that will help you gauge if she's worth the trip.

One more thing. I've written numerous reviews and forgot to post the LSA. It never fails, someone either asks me for them on the open forum or through PM. Might as well keep using the numbers if they help people.You see, it is possible to have reasonable conversation on this message board. I completely agree with you and so do a vast number of other mongers who represent the silent majority on this board. LAS ratings are very helpful especially when coming from anyone who has seen a lot of girls and has done a lot of reviews because when that person expresses their preferences, others with similar preferences get useful information.

Nuthead and Mr Big Dick are pissed off because they think I am dissing one or more of their favorite girls. Having an opinion different than theirs isn't allowed in their world. Had I rated all of the girls at 8 or 9 in every category, they would be fine and would be welcoming me into their cabal. No thanks, I am independent. I will call it like I see it whether they like it or not. From their point of view, they think a lower than glowing number hurts their girls. Actually, the opposite is true. What happens when mongers leave out bad reviews or over inflate ratings, is mongers get surprised and therefore hurt. White knights such as these do it in the name of helping the girls, but what they are really doing is hurting the guys. Here are excerpts from private messages I got just yesterday. If anyone thinks I made this up, have admin look into my private message box to verify that they came from other mongers.

"What's up man. Thanks for telling it how it is on the looks department. I always always end up disappointed whenever I see the latest hype. I don't bother posting anymore since it will be mostly bad reviews. ".

Another monger wrote this after expressing his opinion to me on a very popular girl. Again, this was just yesterday:

"Did not want to post this for everyone to see, don't want to get involved in the Like Beef Lolo thing. ".

As anyone can plainly see, there is a group of bullys on this message board who (probably unintentionally) seek to silence posters in subtle and at times not so subtle ways when people say anything not glowing about their girls or their AMPs. They should just shut the fuck up and let people express their opinions because when everyone shares their uncensored opinion, the entire group benefits. As with anything, there are exceptions such as when a person is foul or nasty. That doesn't help. But when mongers are providing their honest opinion, these guys should let them speak.

Look at how these white knights went after the monger from Cali who gave a bad review of Lucy. He was very respectful and gave mostly glowing commentary on lots of girls. But, when his opinion turned negative or he wanted to discuss the age or ratings of the girls, out came the cabal to attack him. It's not like he was calling girls meat or cunts or using foul and misogynistic language or suggesting treating the girls like subhumans. Can you believe he had to keep justifying that he was from out of town and that he wanted to make sure that other tourists would gain from his experience? Not only was he right, but he shouldn't have had to make that caveat because even locals could gain from his experience. In fact, even his bad review of Lucy was helpful. Most of the things in the review are explainable by how busy it was and that there was a clear misunderstanding about what was most important to him. The issue of the house fee wasn't even Lucy's doing. Lucy is getting enough good reviews that mongers will understand that. I think that was a very important exchange and many guys will better understand how to handle a similar situation in the future. Fortunately, he didn't stand down to the white knight bullys.

In any event, it was a useful exercise to expose these white knights for what they are. They seek to protect their girls at all cost and will attack mongers just for providing their honest opinions if they think those opinions will in anyway get these girls less business. Most people would call that shilling. At a minimum, what this should do is make you question their reviews and / or seek alternate opinions. BTW, since I have my biases, I would recommend you understand them and also seek alternate opinion from mine. That's just prudent behavior. For those of you who had a bad experience after reading nothing but glowing remarks about a girl, now you know why. It's not just you. You just weren't fed the whole truth. This community has a much higher concentration of white knights than other communities in which I participate. It's probably due to the small, but robust market that is here and the fact that so many people know so many other people. Anyway, don't be afraid to post your true experiences because more than likely, you are not alone and someone will appreciate your contribution.

I can't wait for the next weak attack from the peanut gallery.

[Goser]

Using Gosers system to rate reviews.

5- It was helpful.

4- It was just like every other review of the provider.

3- It was boring.

2- It was stupid and mean.

1- it was really stupid and mean.

This system can be used for anyone's reviews, even mine. Now, use my system or you're an idiot, no matter what you think.You forgot one.

0- My name is Nutmaker. Forgive my posts, I suffer from oxygen deprivation because my head is so far up my ass.

[Slide Hammer]

If you think Happy isn't recruiting, you don't know how business works. She has a lot of contacts and she has a great reputation, but that doesn't mean she just waits for girls to call her. That would be stupid. Prior to some of the recent girls, Happy's place was known as a place for older girls. That came from a popular monger here, not me. That she is drawing younger ones is the main reason I gave her such a high review as an AMP owner.

As a side note, there was a huge dog fight for girls from China between Ivy and Yoyo. It was ugly and I never posted about it out of respect for the two owners. But, now that they are out of business, some of it might get out. But not from me.Yoyo. Why can't I remember where she.

MAmma'd? You mean fistfight? Do tell. I love gossip. Pm me please LOL.

[Goser]

Yoyo. Why can't I remember where she.

MAmma'd? You mean fistfight? Do tell. I love gossip. Pm me please LOL.Yoyo was the owner of Mayflower. I was asked not to provide the details. But, Yoyo told a lot of people so you can probably get it from someone. Ivy also had her secrets she told me not to tell. I won't share those either. Sorry.

[Jaritsuh]

As a side note, there was a huge dog fight for girls from China between Ivy and Yoyo. It was ugly and I never posted about it out of respect for the two owners. But, now that they are out of business, some of it might get out. But not from me.I guess before you start saying another brother has a 2 digit I. Q. Better look in the mirror. This mama Yoyo where is she from, you in the know oh, yes all these wannabe's like HW and the rest spouting bits and pieces as if they are god's truth. Mama Ivy wanted Empire to die so those who are really in the know are silent, those that resect Mama Ivy for the level she brought to this hobby will remain silent. Those that know nothing but half truths and innuendo will keep opening their ignorant mouths, but Goser she knows who you are or does she so if she bans you or does not trust you because you have a big mouth then you know why. Mama Yoyo? I still can't recall where she is from any brothers like PM me and enlighten me?

You respect, don't make me laugh. I bet Mama Ivy is not laughing either. Even brother Rico Suarve808 had enough respect to take the thread down, that brother has class and showed the respect due Mama. Not you! What a.

[Goser]

I never said they didn't help, and in the example that you gave, it's very true, but when I see someone give ratings and rankings of girls faces that I totally disagree with and then point out WHY I disagree with them, that's where I have the issue. Rankings do help, but so do descriptions.

I mean, Muni, a 6, really? Wow!
And my myopic come t was more or less aimed at the fact that he was so adamant about his way is the only way, but refusing to see things objectively.What the fuck are you talking about? I NEVER said that my way is the only way and if you read any of my reviews, I always provide descriptions and justifications for my reviews. In fact, I said specifically that EVERYONE should post their views and that would be more helpful. It's YOU who refused to provide ratings. You said rate every girl you like as a 10. This implies that a girl could look like Beetle Juice, but you would rate her looks as a 10 as long as she drove you nuts. Do you realize just how stupid that is? I find it truly rich and hypocritical that an idiot like you who is trying to rob me of my right to express my opinion about the looks of a girl without being bullied simply because you disagree with it is accusing me of doing what in fact you are actually doing. Are you that fucking stupid? You are fucking projecting YOUR actions onto me.

Yes, in my opinion, Muni's face is a 6. Given another person's posting on the subject, I'd say I wasn't alone. Keep complaining about it and you just bring more attention to that which you would like to have die. Keep posting. The most you post, the stupider you look.

It looks like your next come back will be to call me "wanker" which is the best way to raise the white flag on this message board.

[Nutmaker]

Why don't you google the review criteria I posted and see where it came from, genius.

If we doubled your IQ, you'd still be in double digits.If we doubled your IQ It would still be 0. Get over yourself.

[Nutmaker]

Fail. If you had half a brain, you would see that I copied and pasted that criteria from a popular review site. It's not my rating criteria pea brain. It's what someone else who is in the business uses as THEIR criteria. Out of respect for the owners of this board, I didn't post the name of the site from which that criteria originated. Google it. I posted it to show that there is justification for reviews I have given supported by MANY people in this industry. I have my own criteria and I will continue to use it. I even explain it. Muni is a 7 in looks with 6 in face and 8. 5 in body. A:9 and S: 9. That is my honest opinion and its above average. Proof is I have seen her twice. Also, my honest opinion is that Yoko is a 3 as was someone else who first gave her that rating. I just concurred with it. If you don't like it, give her a higher rating as others have. If she gets a lot of 8's and 9's, then mine will look like an outlier and will be ignored. I just call things the way I see them. I am getting a surprising number of private messages from mongers who agree with me who don't want to post because they are concerned about creating waves.

It's ironic that you think I have an agenda. What exactly do you think that is? My agenda is to get fair ratings out there so that mongers who don't get a chance to see as many girls as I do get a comparative analysis that can help them choose for themselves. My reviews are biased based on my preferences. So is everyone else's. They undertand that too. For some reason, you are butt hurt that I express my opinions. Guess what? Too fucking bad. I'll keep doing it. If you don't like it, put me on ignore.Kudos. I believe that that's the first time that I e read you saying that your ratings are based on your preferences (opinion.) Until now, you've been stating them as facts, and sticking to such beliefs. Thank You, Finally.

[Punanilicr]

If you think Happy isn't recruiting, you don't know how business works. She has a lot of contacts and she has a great reputation, but that doesn't mean she just waits for girls to call her. That would be stupid. Prior to some of the recent girls, Happy's place was known as a place for older girls. That came from a popular monger here, not me. That she is drawing younger ones is the main reason I gave her such a high review as an AMP owner.

As a side note, there was a huge dog fight for girls from China between Ivy and Yoyo. It was ugly and I never posted about it out of respect for the two owners. But, now that they are out of business, some of it might get out. But not from me.If you look closely, I said that it SEEMS as though she isn't recruiting. That is my belief, not a fact that I stated, based on the FACT that girls are contacting her. I don't know and don't pretend to know all of the ins and outs of how Happy is running her business.

Also, I'm sure that you're validation of her as an owner has made all of the Kala in her pockets that much greener, and she probably sleeps better at night knowing that you approve. Again, my belief, not stating a fact or speaking for anyone.

[DickTracy25]

"In the words of that great American poet Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?

"I am deeply saddened by Getting Old getting the hook. He only expressed in writing the frustration many of us have experienced by the recent onslaught of bullshit meant to do nothing more than purposely agitate fellow posters. Especially when the perpetrator, as pointed out by Getting Old et al, has not kept within the purview of the page. Contrarily, this individual conveys a chronic sense of fantasy and hyperbole, and has been challenged and exposed countless times as nothing but a bullshit artist.

I have never knowingly met Getting Old in person. I do however, have enormous respect for his sage counsel and will always salute a member who calls a spade a spade, especially on a page designed to REPORT ACTIVITIES, and not embellish the exploits of a warped individual who's only plausible conquests are Susie Palm and her five sisters.

I respectfully request from the moderator, a stay of execution so to speak, and reinstatement of privileges with a one-last-time PeePee whack and stern warning not to get sucked into a pissing contest with another member, especially one who has nothing to hold on to and therefore, most likely pisses sitting down. ".

First of all, the Rodney King thread you posted on the "Korean bar report" has nothing to do with Korean Bar report, it is an individual and personal matter sort of speak. Secondly, as Admin 2 indicated the guy has been warned several times, he was given second and third chance, and still he was doing the same thing he was doing.

Don't know who you was calling " bullshit artist", if you was pointing it to me, then I have a problem with you, like, I said I don't come here to play game, but if someone try to discredit my reports, then I will fire back without a doubt.

[ClintonPortis]

Mongers arent objective. They'll lower or raise the "looks" rating based on service.

Goser demands crap like BBBJ or he won't even see a provider IIRC. My guess is if he gets a provider expecting a BBBJ, and she gives him a CBJ, he's going to go and reduce the "Looks" rating by a point or two. Even though the girl hasn't changed her appearance. Still, when you're spending $200, it's much better for someone to lowball a girl's looks than to inflate their looks ratings.

Punanilicir and Nutmaker appear worse. They are likely to give 10's to girls that are no better than 6's, just because the girls put on a good show, pretend to actually like these mongers, and do BBBJ, DFK, etc etc. They appear to be shills for Happy and Happy's girls. Good luck getting an objective rating of "looks" from them. And they are not alone.

I think it's best to use this forum as entertainment and not take things seriously. That is what I use it for. There is only one monger on here that is truly trustworthy. Just bare bones facts, doesn't exaggerate, doesn't get swayed by the acting jobs of these girls, recognizes that these girls are only there to take your money.

[Jaritsuh]

"In the words of that great American poet Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?

"I am deeply saddened by Getting Old getting the hook. He only expressed in writing the frustration many of us have experienced by the recent onslaught of bullshit meant to do nothing more than purposely agitate fellow posters. Especially when the perpetrator, as pointed out by Getting Old et al, has not kept within the purview of the page. Contrarily, this individual conveys a chronic sense of fantasy and hyperbole, and has been challenged and exposed countless times as nothing but a bullshit artist.

I have never knowingly met Getting Old in person. I do however, have enormous respect for his sage counsel and will always salute a member who calls a spade a spade, especially on a page designed to REPORT ACTIVITIES, and not embellish the exploits of a warped individual who's only plausible conquests are Susie Palm and her five sisters.

I respectfully request from the moderator, a stay of execution so to speak, and reinstatement of privileges with a one-last-time PeePee whack and stern warning not to get sucked into a pissing contest with another member, especially one who has nothing to hold on to and therefore, most likely pisses sitting down. ".

First of all, the Rodney King thread you posted on the "Korean bar report" has nothing to do with Korean Bar report, it is an individual and personal matter sort of speak. Secondly, as Admin 2 indicated the guy has been warned several times, he was given second and third chance, and still he was doing the same thing he was doing.

Don't know who you was calling " bullshit artist", if you was pointing it to me, then I have a problem with you, like, I said I don't come here to play game, but if someone try to discredit my reports, then I will fire back without a doubt.I think anyone who has followed your exploits over the past year will realize you are the exemplary "BULLSHIT artist" living in your troll world and expounding the world according to trolls. You have a problem with most of the members that post on the KB threads. This is where you belong and where you should post as you and the other troll created this fight thread so enjoy. Troll enjoy. You only know how to play games who you think you kidding everyone knows you bullshit fantasy in your own mind. The discreditation of your reports were done by you over course of time you are the Laughing stock of the KB threads even when you trying to post something valid there is the thought is this for real or made up in his mind. Or something he heard. 2nd hand or 3rd hand. You want to fire back at brother WW go ahead but I for one will believe Brother ww over your posting / reporting any day of the week. "BULLSHIT ARTIST".

[Nutmaker]

Mongers arent objective. They'll lower or raise the "looks" rating based on service.

Goser demands crap like BBBJ or he won't even see a provider IIRC. My guess is if he gets a provider expecting a BBBJ, and she gives him a CBJ, he's going to go and reduce the "Looks" rating by a point or two. Even though the girl hasn't changed her appearance. Still, when you're spending $200, it's much better for someone to lowball a girl's looks than to inflate their looks ratings.

Punanilicir and Nutmaker appear worse. They are likely to give 10's to girls that are no better than 6's, just because the girls put on a good show, pretend to actually like these mongers, and do BBBJ, DFK, etc etc. They appear to be shills for Happy and Happy's girls. Good luck getting an objective rating of "looks" from them. And they are not alone.

I think it's best to use this forum as entertainment and not take things seriously. That is what I use it for. There is only one monger on here that is truly trustworthy. Just bare bones facts, doesn't exaggerate, doesn't get swayed by the acting jobs of these girls, recognizes that these girls are only there to take your money.LOL. 55 posts and not 1 actual review. Way to contribute.

If I'm a shill for Happy and the girls, then I guess I'm a shill for the other half dozen places that I've regularly frequented, and those girls there that I've reviewed. Keep up the great work Sherlock.

Oh Ya, and my "shill" reviews have been very helpful to many felow reviewers. At least I'll give Goser credit for that. He's written reviews that have actually helped someone make up their mind whether or not to see someone. I just disagree with some of his opinions and methods, but at least he contributes, and has even taken one for the team.

[DickTracy25]

You sound like a banned member with sour grapes, using a second I'd to attack. Bring it on you fucking fool.


I think anyone who has followed your exploits over the past year will realize you are the exemplary "BULLSHIT artist" living in your troll world and expounding the world according to trolls. You have a problem with most of the members that post on the KB threads. This is where you belong and where you should post as you and the other troll created this fight thread so enjoy. Troll enjoy. You only know how to play games who you think you kidding everyone knows you bullshit fantasy in your own mind. The discreditation of your reports were done by you over course of time you are the Laughing stock of the KB threads even when you trying to post something valid there is the thought is this for real or made up in his mind. Or something he heard. 2nd hand or 3rd hand. You want to fire back at brother WW go ahead but I for one will believe Brother ww over your posting / reporting any day of the week. "BULLSHIT ARTIST"..

Yes he is, I merged his accounts.

A2

[ClintonPortis]

LOL. 55 posts and not 1 actual review. Way to contribute.

If I'm a shill for Happy and the girls, then I guess I'm a shill for the other half dozen places that I've regularly frequented, and those girls there that I've reviewed. Keep up the great work Sherlock.

Oh Ya, and my "shill" reviews have been very helpful to many felow reviewers. At least I'll give Goser credit for that. He's written reviews that have actually helped someone make up their mind whether or not to see someone. I just disagree with some of his opinions and methods, but at least he contributes, and has even taken one for the team.How dafug can I contribute reports when mongers like you and 99% of the other Hawaii mongers act like ignorant fukking Neanderthals with the hookers? You think I want to touch a single diseased AMP ho on here after reading about their BBFS / BBBJ / DFK / DATY / DATO with you idiots? Why in god's name would I want to risk my health by contracting HSV, HPV, hepatitis, scabies, MRSA, and god knows what else from you fukking morons?

I had a huge windfall a few years ago. I was ready to plunge into the mongering world like crazy. I had enough dough to contribute literally hundreds of reports. Until I read this forum and couldn't fukking believe the idiocy on here. Guys actually getting pissed at girls who don't allow DATY, as if they actually wanted to put their mouths on the cum stained vaginas where 10 other mongers just put their dicks in. Guys pushing for BBFS, guys throwing temper tantrums about not being able to DFK the herpes infested lips of the hooker underneath them.

I thought in this day and age, people would have the fukking common sense of a 12 year old and have learned to wrap up when dealing with bodily fluids, ESPECIALLY when fukking a hooker who has serviced THOUSANDS of cocks in her life.

I was dead wrong. I gave you moron mongers in this island too much credit. You guys are like children, still living at mama's house at age 40.

If you think I'm bitter about this, you are damn right.

[MongerZ]

I once ran into a local TV sports commentator in the hallway of Rose Marie going to a room with a Korean provider. He had a towel over his head to hide himself, but I recognize him and later asked my provider if indeed he worked for the local TV station, she said he comes often. He probably not getting any from the wife and not my business to be concern about.That pretty much narrows it down to 3 people and one of them is a girl. LOL.

[Nutmaker]

How dafug can I contribute reports when mongers like you and 99% of the other Hawaii mongers act like ignorant fukking Neanderthals with the hookers? You think I want to touch a single diseased AMP ho on here after reading about their BBFS / BBBJ / DFK / DATY / DATO with you idiots? Why in god's name would I want to risk my health by contracting HSV, HPV, hepatitis, scabies, MRSA, and god knows what else from you fukking morons?

I had a huge windfall a few years ago. I was ready to plunge into the mongering world like crazy. I had enough dough to contribute literally hundreds of reports. Until I read this forum and couldn't fukking believe the idiocy on here. Guys actually getting pissed at girls who don't allow DATY, as if they actually wanted to put their mouths on the cum stained vaginas where 10 other mongers just put their dicks in. Guys pushing for BBFS, guys throwing temper tantrums about not being able to DFK the herpes infested lips of the hooker underneath them.

I thought in this day and age, people would have the fukking common sense of a 12 year old and have learned to wrap up when dealing with bodily fluids, ESPECIALLY when fukking a hooker who has serviced THOUSANDS of cocks in her life.

I was dead wrong. I gave you moron mongers in this island too much credit. You guys are like children, still living at mama's house at age 40.

If you think I'm bitter about this, you are damn right.Then why are you still here, perusing the threads, making comments, when it seems like all you want to do is start shit, talk stink and hate? Why not join MADD and rip all of the Neanderthals who still drink and drive. I bet there are a lot more of them. Would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Just go away and play with yourself, but wear a glove to be safe, ok. Lots of diseases on things that we touch on a daily basis. This is the last that I'll be dealing with you. You're not worth my time or energy. Stay safe!!

[Jaritsuh]

Then why are you still here, perusing the threads, making comments, when it seems like all you want to do is start shit, talk stink and hate? Why not join MADD and rip all of the Neanderthals who still drink and drive. I bet there are a lot more of them. Would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Just go away and play with yourself, but wear a glove to be safe, ok. Lots of diseases on things that we touch on a daily basis. This is the last that I'll be dealing with you. You're not worth my time or energy. Stay safe!!I hate to agree but if you don't like it here please take it somewhere else. I would go back to CONUS where there are no diseased sex workers and no risk of sexual transmitted disease. If we are practicing.

It's been awhile since I used this screen name, not since the troll wars but it still serves take care and I never though I would agree with you Nutmaker. These transplants make me sick if they don't like it hell leave. The cost of living is cheaper on the mainland hell why don't you go to Miami there are 550 k infected aids transmitters there go practice safe sex there they sure could use it. Just saying.