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04-10-02, 04:36
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Arfman
04-15-02, 12:52
I haven't been to Ace in D.G. in a few months and have seen in previous postings that Sue & Jeannie are both gone. Has anyone been there recently and able to give any recommendations-good, bad or indifferent? Also, does King's treat a first timer respectfully?

Gooch
04-15-02, 13:32
You should have no trouble at Kings. Threat them right, and they'll treat you right. Check the old forum for more info. Haven't been to Aces. With Kings nearby, no reason to go to Aces. Enjoy.

rayray
04-25-02, 18:38
Has anyone ever been to Lane's in Lombard? If so , can you tell me if it's worth while?

Gooch
04-26-02, 10:28
rayray,
I've been to Lane's 4-5 times. Mostly old hags. There was one nice looking girl there, about 25-30, medium build, long hair. Wouldn't even do a hj, no matter what. Wouldn't even share her name with me. I tried her three times too! In that same neighborhood, I'd recommend Pine Tree Spa. You'll find lots of info on that place if you look at the old forum.

rayray
04-26-02, 22:02
Thanks Gooch,

Any other places you can recommend would be helpfull

Drai
04-27-02, 06:50
Went to Pine Tree and tried Lane's for the first time yesterday. Had Lee at Pine Tree. I don't really like her all that much. Nice lady and all but she has got to do something about that breath! Besides she is old looking. I refused BJ and HJ and she was kind of offended. I only tipped her 20 for I had no extras and that offended her as well....oh well

Lane's....not much here. Had HJ offered but the lady was not attractive. Not reccomended.

drai

AsianRob
04-27-02, 11:56
Tried 7 Health Spa in Morris today. What a waste of time! I prefer AMP's and I love older ladies as much as the young ones. This place may just as well have been a retirement home. It didn't matter what services could have been had, I wasn't interested. I talked with another guy as I was leaving and he said he couldn't even get a HJ. Money lost, but a lesson learned.

I'm sticking with the AMP's in DuPage county. At least there, I know what to expect.

stingray
05-03-02, 11:43
I went to King's in Lombard for the first time ever 2 weeks ago, after reading about it in the old forum. To answer a question, yes, they treat first timers very welll, but don't tell them you are a first timer!

I told them I had been there before, and everything went fine. A very nice shower where they rub you down, steam, and of course the massage. If that sounds nice, and a hj is good enough, then I highly recommend this place. They are very friendly.

Oh, the base price is now 70$.

By the way, what's the deal with this Pine Tree place you guys are talking about? Where is it, and is it a better deal than King's?

Skunkbrother
05-12-02, 08:09
I was driving down Roosevelt on Friday and noticed that Spa 38 was all boarded up (not that it's any great loss). I wonder what the story is there?

googly
05-13-02, 22:34
I checked out Kings Spa saturday nite.
Only girl offered me was OK looking, but
probably 35 and kind of plain. Gave a good
massage but that's it. Not only did she
not come close to offering hand release,
but threatened to leave room when I started
to get busy with myself. Best compromise I
got was for her to massage my feet and look
the other way while I finished off. For $70,
not exactly what I was hoping for. Live and
learn.

AMP_lover
05-14-02, 10:30
Wow, I've never gotten that kind of treatment at King's. They may have thought you were LE. What did you say when you first went in? Did you tell them you've never been there before? If you did, that may be why you didn't get an assisted 'happy ending'.

googly
05-14-02, 20:57
Not my first time there, and I was sure
to mention that. I am clean cut, so
maybe they did think I was LE, but I
would have thought that my trying to
guide her to my dick would have cleared that up.
Nice to know that more might be expected.
I should have taken a pass anyway, as she
wasn't that good looking.
Hey, there's another Spa/Massage place
west of Kings, down Ogden about two miles,
and on the south side of the street, in a strip.
I saw that they also charge $70 for admission,
but haven't tried it out. Anybody been in there
and have a report? Thanks.

Gooch
05-15-02, 11:13
That spa west of Kings is Aces Spa. It's a has-been. I haven't been there for a long time,but all the good girls are gone from there, unless something's changed recently???

stingray
05-23-02, 11:25
Googly

Sorry to hear about your treatment, doesn't make sense. I would still go back to King's, it was a good experience for me.

Still curious about Pine Tree that I have seen people talk about. Could anyone tell me where it is and what the deal is?

Thanks

c more
05-23-02, 18:12
I SAW AN ATTRACTIVE BILLBOARD ON 294 THAT CAUGHT MY EYE SO I WENT ON WWW.TOPSCHICAGO.COM. I WENT IN AND WHEN I GOT THERE, THIS PLACE HAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WELL DEVELOPED AMERICAN WOMEN I HAVE EVER SEEN. AFTER PAYING ONLY $60 I WENT INTO A DARK INTIMATE ROOM. I GAVE JENNY A NICE TIP , WOW LET ME TELL YOU, I SAW THIS CHICK IN EVERY POSITION POSSIBLE(IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN)! AND SHE HAD A REALLY NICE HAND SHAKE . THESE GIRLS CAN GIVE A PORN STAR IDEAS. I GAVE HER ANOTHER TIP AND THIS KINKY CHICK BROUGHT IN HER GIRLFRIEND AND SHE JOINED IN, MAN LET ME TELL YOU , SHE WAS LOUD AND VERY GOOD WITH HER MOUTH. GUYS IF YOU WANT A GOOD PLACE GO TO TOPS. TAKE IT FROM A GUY WHO KNOWS.

c more
05-23-02, 18:20
I AM NEW TO THIS GUYS TELL ME WHERE THIS PINE TREE OR KINGS IS. I MIGHT CHECK THEM OUT THIS WEEK. ARE THEY COSTLY?

DIC
05-23-02, 18:36
hi guys where is this kings and who is the best girl there.help me out i am new here in this state i am from Arizona. i just want to have a good time with a hot girl.

Member #4943
05-23-02, 19:03
c more---- how much were the extras at tops??? and which girl did you see??? i've been there before it was called tops and it cost a pretty penny... Pine tree there is usually only one to two girls working, Lee is alright, but kind of old.... So, let us know the costs... Thanks...

c more
05-23-02, 20:40
si7 i saw jenny and i think her girlfriend was katie first i tipped 75 then i tipped 25 more.chech them out

kirk12
05-23-02, 22:34
si7, this is a stupid question but i am really new to this didi you have to do anything special to get the service, ldo you just ask for it or what? I went to the website and plan on going this week put would rather not make a fool of myself while I am there.
Thanks!

Arfman
05-24-02, 16:05
C-More...Tops, huh? Looked on the website and called the place to get the location. Girl on the phone seemed pretty pushy to get me to make an appointment. Did you have to make an appointment there or just show up? Also, wasn't this place open by another name (which I forget at this point) that was not recommended in the old forum? It's on North Ave. west of 355.

Devlin
05-24-02, 16:48
Test Test

Devlin
05-24-02, 17:10
Test Test

rogue1
05-24-02, 22:16
c-more, I was at tops the other day and got nothing, although I will be the first to admit I look like a cop, I did offer a tip etc.. what did you did to get better service?

bigguyray
05-25-02, 12:38
TOPS is a typical american mp. Total self-service. The girls are hot but don't expect any extras at any price, even though they will try and soak you for as much as they can get. Anyone who says they got anything more is either lying or is posting for them.

googly
05-26-02, 23:32
Thanks for the post bigguyray. after reading
the post from c'more, I thought it was too
good to be true ("an attractive billboard sign"?
come on c'more, why don't you just admit
you work there?). Anyway, I did look
up the topschicago website, and gave
them a call. Girl on the phone immediately
said they offer full service, which smelled
like bs to me. Glad bigguyray set us
straight.

Devlin
05-28-02, 09:48
Hey dudes, a credible Chicago poster here. AVOID Tops it is expensive and self-service. Try Kings Spa, $70 for table shower, sauna and great massage. hanshakes $40 more; language lessons $60-$80. act like u have been there b4. ask for Cindy, Mimi or Anna. i tried posting on Friday but my messages didn't post. play safe, happy hunting

DIC
05-29-02, 20:42
i went to tops yesturday. i think some of you guys must had the wrong girl. i had a great timefor my money. and they do have full service.

Devlin
05-30-02, 12:44
DIC, Oh really!! i and others have wasted our time and money at this self-service place. fyi, other reliable boards have stated the same thing (it sucks). do u have a bridge that we can buy from you? you are such a frequent, honest and reliable poster!

Clubking01
05-30-02, 15:56
When did c more and DIC start their employment at TOPS?

P.S. Devlin is as reliable as they come, so believe him!

DIC
05-30-02, 18:24
ALL YOU GUYS HAVE TO DO AT TOPS IS PRETEND YOU'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE BUT YOU'VE LOST YOUR GOLD VIP CARD ( IT'S A LITTLE PLASTIC GOLD CARD THAT SAYS VIP CLUB MEMBER, JUST IN CASE THEY ASK)

Gooch
05-31-02, 10:03
guys,
Allow for a moment that it's possible that there is a good girl at Tops. NOW, I noticed DIC, that you didn't name the girl you saw. We all share names on this forum because there are good and bad at every mp. So, let's have it. Who did you see?

Has anyone asked for C'more's Jenny there? Sure Tops is a waste, but maybe there's one or two good girls there. I'm not going to be the one to check it out because I've blown too much money on empty promises there already. But if you guys are gonna go, be educated consumers. Ask for more info.

Bottom line, DIC, if you want to share real info, we'll give you the benefit of the doubt. We all know the 'I've been here before" line. This forum deals in useful information. Share it or spare it.

I'll step down from my podium now (and right into an amp).

HAPPY hunting.

Devlin
05-31-02, 10:10
clubking01, Thank You for your post. This forum is here so we horndogs can share useful information.

DIC
05-31-02, 10:52
Let me set you guys straight, we are all in the same boat here, right? Tops is probably the smartest opperation yet. Yes its true that otherwise you would go in here and waste your $ a few times, but if they did'nt opperate that way they would be closed down like all the other good joints. I gave you the "code" yesterday. It took me 3 times to get this but they do have a GOLD PLASTIC CARD that they give you it says VIP CLUB member and then thats all you need. I recomend saying that you lost yours and you were there before with "AMBER" she was a good girl but isn't there anymore so they really won't be able to check. Now I think it is worh all the trouble because it is conviently close to my house, maybe its not for you, but you wont find any other place in DupPage county like this, they're good, they had all you fooled and the LE for that matter.

Member #4943
06-03-02, 20:30
which AMP is the best out in Lombard, don't get out that way too much, but thinking of trying one... I know of Pine tree, but are there any other ones??? if so, prices, extras, girls??? thanks

bigguyray
06-05-02, 09:38
I repeat...

Tops is a total ripoff and a total waste of time. I'll bet if you check the IP of their website and the IP of their staunch supporters here you'll find that they're on the same subnet.

Gooch
06-05-02, 16:56
si7,
Look no further than Kings Spa in Downers. You'll be treated right by any of the pretty ladies there. Pine Tree seems to have taken a downward turn, Lane's has been bad for years. At Kings my favorite is Cindy. She has a confident aire that gets me hot. Mimi seems to get the highest acclaim from the wsg regulars as far as extras go. Have fun.

Member #4943
06-05-02, 18:35
Gooch,
Thanks for your advice on Kings, but will they service me even if it's my first time??? Let me know what to say if there is any kind of magic phrases to help a brother out... Thanks!!!

HappyGardener
06-06-02, 21:35
si7:
go to http://members.lycos.co.uk/ampdude for lessions in how to behave in an amp
Kahm Sahm ni da = thank you
Popo choo say yo = Give me a kiss

Gooch
06-10-02, 12:45
si,
I know of no magic words. My first time there was about 3 months ago. Others on this boardhave said to say you've been there before. But I think they know, because you're not sure where the shower is. To me, that would be a trouble sign for the girl. I actually told Mimi it was my first time, but I had heard that it was the best place to go. I treated her nicely, flirted a little bit, and voila! If you let them know point blank that you are just htere to have a little fun, (not LE) then ecverything should be fine. And you know what, even if they don't provide what you want the first time, they will after that. That's all there is to it brother. Enjoy.

Member #4943
06-10-02, 22:42
Gooch, i know what you mean, @ Singapore Salon all you needed to do was touch the ladies a couple of times, and you were in... Once you turned over, all you needed to do was guide her hand in the magical direction and there it is... The one lady that works there during the day, i don't recall her name gives an awesome french lesson for about $70-80 + house fee... She translates well while playing around the anal area, let me tell you boy did she make me cum... I thought that i broke the rubber... That's just my two cents, hope you find her if you already haven't...

peter panochito
06-11-02, 22:40
greetings fellow enthusiasts. i have been going to singapore salon for about 3 years now. it has never been a dull experience for me. the rates that i've been paying have been the following: $40 for a handshake, $60 for a cbj, and $100 for FS. they never disappoint. the only drawback of these amp's is the quality. but if you're looking for a reliable place, try singapore salon. i've had similar success at king's in downer's grove, ace spa in downer's grove, the former dandelion spa in oakbrook terrace, and peking spa in east chicago.

Johnny Rocket
06-14-02, 00:32
Hello All,

I'm new to the Chicago area and I was wondering if anyone could give me directions to an AMP or two. I am looking for full service.

It sounds like the Peking in East Chicago or the Kings in Lombard are the two best? Can anyone direct me to these?

Once I get the chance to visit I will post my experiences.

Thanks!

Jonny
06-14-02, 07:30
Directions to Peking:

Find the intersection of Indianapolis Ave. (which runs north/south) and Chicago Ave./Route 20 (east/west) in East Chicago Indiana. (Try Mapquest.com to get directions!)

Go one block West on Chicago Ave. to a short street called Macoun (north side of Chicago Ave). The Peking is about 50 feet from the corner.

Member #4943
06-20-02, 18:48
i was going to go to Pine Tree this week, but closed for water damage, not open until the 24th.... Is this place worth checking out, have they gotten any new girls??? Just wondering....

Gooch
06-28-02, 17:18
Si,
I had Hannah my first time there. She was a good one. The woman I had the other day was not the Mamasan, I've had her before. This was someone I've never seen there before. She was not very experienced. Yeah the old lady gives a wonderful massage. She wasn't there on that day, this might have been the "backup Mamasan".

We should cut the discussion on Singapore here in the Lombard Board. It belongs in Mt. Prospect.

Everyone,
I read on the Other Areas board that Spa 34 is closed. Bummer. Anybody know anything more?

DoorCtyChiMan
07-01-02, 00:39
I have a first-hand account/review from King’s Spa in Downers Grove. I am a rookie, and not an experienced hobbyist, but have done a bit of lurking, and consider myself somewhat knowledgeable about how to act. I am a white male in my early thirties. Last Saturday afternoon, I stopped by between 12:15-12:30. It is a smaller non-descript freestanding building with no windows or much of anything to draw attention to itself. Nothing very regal or majestic about it to warrant the name “King’s Spa,” but that is probably the intention. I would guess it was a small restaurant in a previous incarnation. There weren’t many cars, just myself and another patron, plus one or two staff cars.

Never having been there before, I rang the bell at the back door, rather than using the more conventional front entrance. From my limited experiences with clubs and bookstores, the back door is typically the main entrance. However, the mama-san let me in and didn’t seem too upset about it. Without any signage directing patrons to the front, I would guess it happens quite a lot. I saw the mama-san, and two workers. One of the two workers, a women with short spiky hair who was, I would guess, in her mid-to-late thirties led me two a small massage room. She wasn’t a cutie, but not a total dog, either.

She then said hello, and asked for the seventy dollars. I peeled off four twenties (I had five) from my shirt pocket and handed them to her. She then left the room while I shucked my clothes. She returned a minute later with ten dollars change, which I returned to my shirt pocket, which I had hung on a hook. (I had left my wallet locked up in my vehicle) I wasn’t very careful about covering myself. She then asked if I wanted sauna, which I accepted. She then led me out of our room towards the shower room. As we were leaving the room, she asked the magic question, “Have you been here before?’ I replied (fictitiously) that yes, I had been there about two months ago.

After arriving at the shower room, she proceeded to have me lay on my stomach, and then on my back, and gave me a very thorough scrubbing, making sure to cover ALL regions, not missing anything, which was very encouraging to me. I was about a third of the way encouraged during that time. After being rinsed off, she led me to the sauna, which I spent about five minutes in (alone) before she came to fetch me. She then led me back to our room, where she shut the door, and reduced the lighting to almost darkness, and turned on some music at a low volume. I proceeded to lie face down on the table for the massage. I abandoned the towel by throwing it onto a chair. She didn’t object.

At this point, I was expecting a massage, with a probable HJ at the end. However, instead of climbing onto the table to administer a massage, she stood next to table and did a light caressing thing, running her fingers all along my body, even along my backside and reaching along my side, where things would be if I rolled over. I spread my legs further apart a few times during this process, and she rewarded me by reaching in further. This caressing was relaxing, but as it continued, it dawned on me that it wasn’t going to turn into a real massage, but I wasn’t too upset at the time. I massaged her leg as she stood next to me, with no objection from her.

This relaxing routine continued for several minutes with no words or questions from her. I began getting a little nervous that unless I acted, she might wrap up without “completion,” so I asked her if I should roll over onto my back. She said “If you want to,” and I proceeded to do so. She then applied some lotion/oil from the table and started on the frontal areas, quickly focusing on the ‘Full Monty” area. She knew what she was doing; it was exquisite. I couldn’t take the pressure, and didn’t last long. She wiped me down with a towel, and left the room. I proceeded to sit up, and start getting my things together. She returned with a warm washrag a minute later, and gave me a final cleaning. I then got dressed (with her there), and she led me out the front door.

All in all, I was slightly disappointed that I didn’t actually get a massage, but in hindsight, the place is called “King’s Spa,” not “King’s Massage.” I was in there less than 30 minutes. However, I got the HJ without tipping, which was a plus. I never brought up tipping, and neither did she.

I have a few questions for the more experienced members: At what point should I have asked about special services? Did I short-change myself by offering to flip over too soon, or was it wise to move things along? What special services have others encountered here beyond what I received? Any disappointments? How could I have improved my experience? Thanks.

Gooch
07-01-02, 11:46
DCCM,
You need a shorter name buddy!

That was Cindy. She provides the best shower you'll find at any AMP. Once the girls get to know you, you should be able to get a french lesson just for the asking. I don't think you'll get FS there. Not tipping was a bad idea. It might get you denied next time. For the standard service you recieved, the girls assume that you know you're supposed to tip (since you've been there before, right?). They won't bring it up. As far as flipping over, you did it right. Cindy is more than capable of providing a real massage. You could have asked her for that if that's what you wanted. I usually tell her I want a "good" massage right when the massage starts, if that's what I want.

I never went in the back door before, just went to the front out of courtesy. But I'll use the back door from now on, since they don't mind.

AmonRa
07-01-02, 12:55
DCCM,

I am in full agreement with Gooch, you should have left a tip. However, I think you also should have let Cindy proceed at her own pace and not flip before she suggests. That is probably why you only got 30mins of service. I usually like to get the "Soft" massage and especially like the attention given to my "member" between my legs from behind. Cindy and Anna also give a lot of attention to your backside if you do not object.

If you plan on visiting Kings again I suggest that you try to see Cindy again and before you start anything, tell her that you "think" you forgot to tip her the last time you were there and give her at least $30. If you try to avoid Cindy and see one of the other girls, Cindy will be sure to tell them of your generous nature if she sees you.

As for the back door... I thought that was the only door that place had! :o)

HappyGardener
07-02-02, 11:20
I will post this here and in Lombard.
Dadelion/Pine Tree Spa is still closed in Oak Brook Terrace.
Still has signs in the windows that say "Temporaily Closed."
Funny how those become permanent after awhile.


in regards to the previous post: I am going to post this link every couple of weeks so all the newbies can find it and read it and learn how to act in an AMP.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/ampdude/

BTW, I always ask for a hard massage to start with and a soft massage to end with. that way i get my back work done and I end up with a happy ending.
I have waited to see what the girl is doing after i flip over.
If she crawls on the table with me, i ask for what I want.
If she is just doing the Hand Jive, i either ask or accept it for what it is.

When they ask you to flip over, offer to give them a massage.
This has never failed to win me extra points, extra attention, extra time, and often is a nice move into DATY or other activities.

DCCM: drop me an e-mail threeinches86@hotmail.com

Orangecrush
07-17-02, 18:04
Ran by Pine Tree - still closed today (7/17/02).

Stopped at Spa 34 which used to be the best (american) MP around. Took a chesty young gal back to the room. $85 for the hour. She starts with her extras ($100 lingerie, $140 topless and $150 nude). I went with the nude.

I don't know where they go off to, but after 15 minutes she pops back in the room and proceeds to give the worst massage ever. Once in awhile she would rub her chest on me, but she had a no touch policy. I was so pissed I was going to make her massage me for the entire hour, but it was so awful, I was suffering right along with her. Finally, I decided to make some phone calls and made her sit there while I talked to people on my cell phone. Needless to say, I will never go back there. I miss the old days of Nicole and Cassie and all the great girls that were there. I mean you used to be able to get FS for around $150 with a great looking gal. Now there is nothing but the old ugly women from the past and a few young girls that don't understand what its all about.

STAY CLEAR OF SPA 34.

Bammbamm
08-05-02, 15:14
So who opened up spa 34?
They are probably being cautious since they were closed for a while. I still wanna try them if we can verify they are the same girls that were there b4. Ar there any regulars from there out and about on the forum? After hearing all that went on with Trish and some of the other girls, I wanted 34 to be my 1st mp experience, but since they were closed, I went to King and had a good time there.
Any further info would be appreciated. Those in the know, can back channel me at bammbamm1@virgilio.it

thanx,
Bamm

Snake00
08-09-02, 11:21
I have heard a lot of good things about Kings.
Can anyone give a description of the ladies there?
I would like someone younger and tight or at least not old
and saggy. I have heard that Rainbow in Rockford is the best
place around....any ideas on that? Thanks

Bammbamm
09-11-02, 16:26
No, I actually just got back from a little excursion in Europe. I was hoping to see if anyone had some new info about 34.
Anyone?
I posted a nice lil report about Athens Greece in the European board this morning.

Bamm

Gooch
09-13-02, 14:45
Italiancritic,
Island is a dump. Self serve shower, water stinks, and there are better looking women to be had at just about any other amp.

Snake00,
There's lots of info on the girls at Kings. Just look back through the Lombard posts. Rest assured, you won't be disappointed.

Gooch
09-19-02, 09:51
Bammbamm,
Last time I was at 34 was a couple years ago. I think it was $85 with the Suntimes ad. I don't suppose it could be much worse than that now. Wish I had more time to get over there and check it out first hand.

Snake00,
It's been 2 months since I've been to Kings. But I think the info on this board should still be current. The girls all seem to be around 30 yo, with low miles. Might seem old to you, but they're young enough for my mid-40's libido. It's hard to tell the age of some of these Asian women. If you'd like a confident "older" woman (she's young to me), go with Cindy. She has a kinda tough, kinky look to her. Whereas Mimi has a more young sweet innocent look. Both have good bodies. I have not met Anna yet, but I remember reading that she was a little on the heavier side, but not fat, and very very cute. Have fun.

Snake00
09-26-02, 14:11
Gooch
Is the lady at Lanes your talking about attractive? What kind of extras are offered?

Gooch
09-26-02, 14:49
snake00
If it's the Kay I know, she's probably too old for your young taste. I'd say she's a 6 or 7, looks good for her age. I've only gotten an handshake from her. But be advised, I don't know for sure if it's the same Kay.

Member #4943
09-26-02, 18:32
Gooch & Snake00 the Kay at Lane's isn't the same as the one at Singapore... I've had both, and they are not the same person... Just to let you guys know...

Bammbamm
09-30-02, 12:32
Just a ?
I have only been to one amp (Kings) and did not get a table shower. Is this something you ask for? if somone would prefer to back channel details :
bammbamm1@virgilio.it
Thanx guys,
Bamm

Gooch
09-30-02, 17:00
Bamm,
Shower is standard at Kings from my experience. Are you sure it was Kings? The girl must have been so hot for you that she couldn't wait to get busy, huh?

MagellanNo1
09-30-02, 18:01
Hi all,

This is a bit off topic, but am wondering if anyone can recommend a good gentleman's club in the W or NW suburbs. I have a good friend coming into town and he has requested a night at a club.

Nude or topless preferred; somewhere where you don't get screwed by paying $20 at the door and $6 a drink would be a big plus. Of course, attractive women helps too.

I live near Arlington Park so the closer the better, but I am willing to drive 30 to 45 minutes is need be.

Thanks in advance,

M.

genuis8
09-30-02, 18:14
There is a Gentlemens Club at Elmhurst just north of the I-90 expressway. It is called Heavenly Bodies. Lots of nice high heeled pretty girls. $10 cover at the door gives you 10 beers/pop.

No nude dancing at all but you can get lap dances at $10 (bikini) or $15 (topless) for 1 song. Beware that the DJ seems to change the song around the 2.5 minute mark instead of completing the whole song.

Snake00
09-30-02, 18:31
The best club I have been to is Club O. Full friction dances totally nude for $20. I went in the afternoon on a friday once and there were a lot of fine women and not that many men. Cover was $10. I had a dance that the girl asked me to adjust myself so she could get at it better...nice place:)

Jonny
10-01-02, 10:16
Lombard is about an hour and a half from the wisconsin border - about 20 minutes south of O'Hare airport.

Why not go to Mapquest.com for exact directions and driving time?

Italiancritic
10-01-02, 10:54
If you want totally nude Club go to Dancers in Palatine on Route 12 and Lake Cook Road. No Booze. Lots of Nice bodies. Lap Dances 20-40. 10 cover

Italiancritic
10-01-02, 13:35
RIPOFF WARNING

Italiancritic
10-01-02, 13:47
RIPOFF WARNING

New Spa opened in Addison on Route 53 and Army Trail called Playland Spa. I went in and was told the session was free. I should pick a model and go to the room and discuss a tip. When I got into the room the girl told me my options. "$400 for FS, and I do mean FS, $300 and I'm very good with my mouth, $200 is all hands and topless." I made my choice and she left the room with the money returned 10 minutes later topless. She started dancing and everytime I reached out she pushed me away. She started to talk me though self service. I finally asked if this was going to be self service. the reply was "Oh yes, we never do anything more for the first few visits. When you become a regular we can talk about more." I asked What about the options she mentioned when I came in. Reply "I never said I would do anything more."

This place is a major ripoff. stay out.

RealFun
10-01-02, 21:02
I saw on mapquest where Lombard is, but I don't trust their drive times, so thanks for the personal response. A few of the Rockford AMPs don't advertise, internet phone book searches come up empty, and I don't feel like just showing up in Rockford, or Lombard, and pulling out a phone book and taking my chances. I was wondering if someone could direct me to the best or at least reliable 2-3 AMPs; phone numbers and approximate location would help. I can always call the AMP for exact directions and address. Thanks.

PS even calling directory assistance won't get you the number for Rockford's Sun Spa.

Gooch
10-02-02, 09:42
realfun,
I was referreing to Snake probably not liking Rainbow's......shall we say........scenery. I actually don't ever go to Rockford, but I've heard the ladies at Rainbow are not extremely attractive (like any other AMP). By no means do I profess to be an expert about anything in Rockford. I was actually just givin' Snake a hard time. I didn't mean to turn anyone away from Rainbow, in fact I'd like to go there some day.

AmonRa
10-02-02, 10:00
Hello everyone... I just wanted to ask about a place I ran into by mistake the other day. I was out looking for some stain glass supplies, and I drove to a place that I thought was named "Solder World". Well it turns out this place is named "Soder World . . . Holistic Wellness Center". Normally I would not think such a place has anything but a legit business, however, since I was there and the girl walking around the reception area looked hotter then hell, I figured I should at least say, "Hello." I tried to open the door and the damn thing was locked! A small sign taped to the inside of the glass door said that all of the therapists were in with their clients, and that I should call again. Needless to say this place seemed odd. If all the therapists where in with clients what was the hot girl doing??? Lookout maybe??? I tried to get her to let me in, but she said she had a client in back and she just needed to grab something. Bullshit!!! Anyway if any of you have any info on this place I would love to hear about it. It is located on the southwest corner of rt83 and 91st street. I do know about the Plaza Bar and Grill, a little further south on rt 83 where you can pickup a decent fashion show and a beer, but it is a blue-collar crowd and you will stink like cigarettes and cheap perfume upon leaving.

RealFun
10-04-02, 04:42
Its very common for a legit spa to be extremely protective of clients in sessions, no interruptions. Some don't even have a receptionist and if you come to the door the place will be locked up and they won't even answer the phone. It just so happened that the one you stumbled upon has an extremely hot therapist, I can see why your thinking went in the direction it did.

If you're unsure about a place, just call and ask for the names and qualifications of the "therapists" and the hours of operation, you'll know by the answers they give whether or not they're legit.

Jonny
10-04-02, 10:08
There used to be an AMP in that location - the strip mall with the White Hen right?

That was a few years ago. This new one sounds legit.


Also, the strip where Plaza Bar & Grille is has, (or had) a place called Stress Relief Center. They had hot girls who gave topless massages and MAYBE a handjob for a big tip, of you were lucky. Otherwise, you had yo do it yourself.

Member #4943
10-05-02, 13:06
News Flash!!!! Kings got busted last night... I was at Lane's, and the girl there told me that Kings got busted last night... It is definitely a shame...

Bammbamm
10-05-02, 14:03
WOW, I was considering going there at some point this weekend too... Glad I didn't.

Bamm

PeoplesElbow
10-07-02, 11:33
I drove by King's this morning at 9:30 AM. It was still open.

Nothing in the paper about a bust either.

Hmmmmm.

Devlin
10-07-02, 12:37
Let's stop the rumor mill. did Kings Spa get busted or not? does anyone know the facts? i too haven't seen anything in the paper or read any posts about a bust on the other boards. i for one will not believe what a masseuse from a competitor (Lane's) said.

Lancer
10-07-02, 16:44
Drove by Kings on my way to Ace Spa on Sunday night and they were closed. This was about 8:00 p.m. Without my asking any questions about busts, I was told by my masseuse that there were three or four places busted Friday night including Kings.

Needless to say they were being very cautious and were in fact closing for the night when I got there. They are normally open until midnight. She said that everyone there was being extra careful because they were afraid they might be next. Because she knew me, I was still able to get the same great service, but if they haven't seen you before, you may be disappointed.

Timmy
10-08-02, 10:28
i am am hysterical with laughter. soderworld is a legit holistic wellness spa that is owned and operated by the brother of former sox/cubs 3rd basement eric soderholm. the area is too upscale with burr ridge and hinsdale being so close. this place is frequently written about in the local suburban papers and is often raved about as a place for the rich and wealthy to get a ampered ang get lessons about the benefits of a holistic lifestyle. in fact, i saw it featured either on channel 20(ben loves chicago?) or on channel 11's wild chicago. if u want a "real" massage go there. if u want a "fun" massage, go elsewhere.

AmonRa
10-09-02, 09:43
Hey timmy... I am glad I could bring a little laughter into your life, but as far as the area being too upscale, the Plaza Bar is less then a 1/2 mile away. I realize that Burr Ridge has some very expensive homes, and why people spend millions to live next to trucking yards or other industry is beyond me. Anyway, thanks for setting me straight on this place. After looking at their website (Provided by Gooch below, thanks Gooch) it is obvious the place is not for me! Oh well, the search goes on....

Member #4943
10-09-02, 18:37
I was just informing all of you what i heard, i know that it may have been made up by the woman i enjoyed at Lane's, but i just wanted to give all of you the heads up... No one needs to get busted for trying to have a little fun...

GFP
10-09-02, 20:25
On page 12 of 10/8/02 sun times "4 held on Prostitution charges" Dupage Co Sheriff arrested 4 women on prostitution charges during a weekend sting at 12 dupage co massage parlors. For a more detailed report go to www.dupageco.org/sheriff/ and check out "Operation Rub out a Success" in the media section of the site.

Gooch
10-10-02, 14:41
Interesting. They actually scored big at Playground. I find it amusing that there were PD's involved from 3 or 4 towns that don't have any spas.

Si,
I don't think the intent of the posts by Peopleselbow, Devlin, Italian, and myself was to question, or to disqualify your post, but to encourage further investigation among the board members. This is important info, thanks for bringing it up.

Devlin
10-10-02, 15:54
Si, Gooch is correct in his post. i did appreciate the heads up. this forum is here to exchange information so we won't get stung (LE) or be wasting our time and hard earned money on a lousy masseuse or parlors. unlike other boards, WSG is not full of bigheaded ego posters.

PeoplesElbow
10-10-02, 16:18
This brings up an interesting question:

Do you think that when an AMP becomes too busy and popular, they are increasing their chances for a bust. As I said before, Kings was getting to the point where it was obnoxious. There were guys filing in and out of the place.

I think this was what happened to an AMP I was at when it was busted a few years ago. The place was packed and next thing I know, the County Police are tearing down the curtains and hearding the girls to the back.

PeoplesElbow
10-10-02, 16:24
I just read the news release on the busts. What a waste of time and money.

Who do you think Hee S. Choi-Sung is? 43, eh?

Suite One? They wouldn't even let me rub one out there. They must have thought I was LE.

AMP_lover
10-10-02, 22:45
I know peopleselbow, what a waste. I'm sure there are better things that they could be doing. Once things die down, it will be business as usual. But I think the fact that business was booming didnt help matters. The people who live in Downers Grove (I used to be one of them.) know what that place is. As long as they see that there is minimal activity there people just forget that it's there. But once the possibility that Jr. may walk in there after school (Downers North is not too far...) goes up, then the residents get worried. {sigh} I was going to pay them a visit soon too. Guess I'll wait a few months.

Strider
10-10-02, 23:28
Just to let everyone know, I was in King's late Tuesday night and got pretty good service. It was only my second time and I'm too poor of a liar to try the 'Oh, yeah, I've been here before' stuff. I was with Cindy and while she was a bit hesitant and pointed out the sign on the wall, all I said was that it was there last time I was here, too. I couldn't get FS, but got a wonderful HJ, and from what I have heard here, it takes a few visits to get to FS anyway.

Gooch
10-11-02, 16:51
We've seen this before. It's all politics. That's the only reason the cops would bust a MP. Hell, they probably get free service in exchange for letting the places stay open. AMP lover has a good point. One step further, if they don't pull off a bust, the neighbors will hold LE accountable for the "immoral activity going on down on the corner". LE doesn't want that. So they pull off a bust occasionally. They could close 'em all down for good if they really wanted to. (see Cicero and Stone Park). So why do they tell the people they can't? Because they want them to stay open?!?!?! It's all part of our legal system. That's the way it works. I wouldn't get too upset about it. They say they're getting tough on MPs because that's what the public wants to hear.

P. Elbow,
None of the girls at Kings that I know of who could possibly be REMOTELY close to 43. My first thought was Cindy. You know how these asian girls always look so much younger than they are. But she's still working, according to Strider. Maybe they knew it would happen and offered up a "sacrificial lamb".

Member #4242
10-11-02, 17:36
Thirty Deputies plus 40 officers investigate 12 massage parlors and make only 4 arrests - 70 officers for 4 arrests. This is either pre election nonsense or someone was not getting paid off enough.

Devlin
10-17-02, 15:50
PeoplesElbow, if i lived in the area, i would be upset that tax dollars and officers hours were wasted. they should concentrate their energy on robberies, auto-thefts etc. in other words, i smell what your cookin!

Ynot
10-17-02, 22:33
Went to King's today. Got Cindy as usual. Still nothing more than a hj. Would be interested if anyone has had better luck.

luvthosetits
10-21-02, 12:55
Been to King's twice. First time was three years ago and I had the basic hour session with nice -knockered long haired asian gal. Took off her top and let me suck her tits during hand finish...also used her tits some. That was the extent of extras, as I recall. No tip was required that time.

Recently (early September) I returned and had attractive girl, with what appeared to be nice body, esp tits...but couldn't get her to bare anything or even let me touch...Just gave basic hand job without any visual stimulation...I did not leave any tip, although she requested one...very business-like without any conversation or any kind of additionalfun. Very dissapointing.

I went on a weekday around 1:00 in the afternoon. Can't remenber the girl's name...when I saw her I had high hopes but they were dashed. If King's can't provide a little additonal stimulation, I won't go back.

Any suggestions?

Jayb4512
10-28-02, 15:03
Everyone seems to be talking about KIngs..... Funny how you don't notice something even when you drive by it on a regular basis. I drove by there Friday (10-25) and they were open. Anyone have any idea what their going rates are these days?

Bammbamm
10-28-02, 16:50
70 bux for the door and extras are...well... extra...

Bamm

SmoothDog
11-10-02, 10:17
I used to frequent Kings in Downers Grove but it has been more than half a year since I've been back until this past week.

I use to see Lee. When I went back there this past week they said Lee was fired.

I can't imagine why. She was unbelievable. Maybe that's why they let her go? Some big mouths talking too much? Anyway, I saw someone else (i was unimpressed ) and got the usual hand shake. I need more than that.

If anyone used to see Lee at Kings and know where she is working now the info would be greatly appreciated.

Is there any AMP's that offer full service?

Romey
11-11-02, 10:17
Smoothdog, I don't know where Lee from Kings is now, but when she left kings she wen to the Green Spa. I only saw her there once. She told me she was going to be a part owner. I asked the other girls what happened to her and they just said she left. I know she has family in San Francisco, so maybe she went back there. I too would like to find her again.
Romey

Drai
11-12-02, 10:24
Just tried Lane's recently and was none too impressed.

The price was alright and they seem eager to give extras (HJ) which is better than nothing but I cannot get over the oldness of the ladies that work there. I have been there 2x in the past 4 months and got the same old lady. I didnt think that she could get any older from the first time but I stood corrected on my second visit. Being the horny M.F. that I am though I went for the HJ anyway. During the deed she takes my had and places it on her 2000 year old artifact she calls an ass and I almost lost all motivation to even finish. But again being the horny M.F. that I am I did finsish and left with intenetion to never for back.


drai-

PeoplesElbow
11-12-02, 13:07
drai-

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know what you are talking about. I have been with some aged dogs and had trouble getting a rise. That's why I do not go that much anymore.

I tried Kings last week. I had Penny who I never saw before. Kind of beefy but provided a decent handshake. The massage was good only because I requested her to continue after the release.

VIP, RIP

Lancer
11-14-02, 17:45
smoothdog/romey,

There is a massuese by the name of Lee working at Ace Spa in Downers Grove. She said that she used to work at Kings, though I never had the pleasure of seeing her there.

BTW, I've seen her several times over the past couple of weeks and the service has been outstanding, i.e. not your usual hand shake.

Hope this helps,

Lancer

Snake00
11-15-02, 15:43
Lancer
Can you give me some details about Lee (description and service, expected tip?)

Thanks!

SpaSearch
11-18-02, 23:58
Anyone had any experience with a place called Beyond Wellness in Tinley Park? I ran across it on the Internet and it looks interesting. It may be legit, but maybe it’s a “legit” place where one could at least get a decent handshake. Check out these links if you’re not familiar with it and let me know what you think. Their therapist Amanda Clark looks real hot and they describe a type of massage called Esalen that’s done with the client “completely nude with draping optional”.

http://www.beyondwellness.com/html/th_esalen.html

http://www.beyondwellness.com/index.html

SouthBurbs
11-19-02, 12:16
spasearch: they look pretty legit, although it does look like a good place for an actual massage. If you do go there, please share what you learn, as will I if I find the time (and I could really use a good massage ... legit or otherwise).

AmonRa
11-19-02, 16:56
Lancer is 100% correct!!! Ace has been awsome of late! I met with a very playful lady last Friday... I am not sue of the name but I think it was Gina... or Jean.. hell it could have been Lee... They need to start wearing name tags! Anyway, she was about 5'5", long black hair but tied up. Had a lot of makeup on, but what will knock you on your ass is her body. Solid beyond solid, except for her breasts, those where extremly soft. I had the best time in my life (in a spa) for $140 total taxes out the door! :o)

Bukake
11-19-02, 17:01
AmonRa:

I was there yesterday and recieved a pretty good HJ. I was hoping for a BJ but it was my first time there. Did you get more than a HJ? If so did you ask during the massage or before?

AmonRa
11-19-02, 17:49
Bukake:

To be honest with you, this was my first time at Ace in over a year. Ever since Sue and Jeannie left I found no one to replace them at Ace. I am not really sure why I took a chance and visited Ace this past time, perhaps the full parking lot at Kings did it for me. Anyway, I never ask for anything specific. I let it be known that I am not at all shy and before you know it I am having a wonderful time. All I can suggest is for you to visit again, don't act like a prick, and don't use spoken word to ask for something. Try using sign language or your tongue. ;)

PeoplesElbow
11-20-02, 13:52
spasearch, I checked out the web site and did some research on esalen massage. Its sounds like it is some holistic nuturing massage that can be done in the nude. Amanda does look quite hot and I would be surprised if they let a guy go without a towel. I have a feeling women can but not men.

Amanda giving me a massage with no towel and no HJ sounds like more frustration, not relaxation.

Anyway, I hope to see if I can get one within the next few weeks. I'll keep you posted.

In a perfect world, I would be able to get a great professional massage by an attractive woman who provides a happy ending.

VIP came close - VIP RIP

SpaSearch
11-21-02, 00:54
peopleselbow - Thanks for the post and the research. You just described my perfect world - a place where a guy can get a great massage from a fine looking babe with a happy ending. Please...if you ever come across such a place do post! It's one thing to get a happy ending at an AMP or a non-legit EMP where one would expect such, but to get a happy ending at a legit place would be awesome.

SmoothDog
11-21-02, 08:00
Romey

Great news. Lee from Kings is now working at Ace. I went there the other week and got Candy. Not bad, but while I was in the sauna I looked out the window and saw Lee.

Went back last week, got Lee and got the same great service she used to give when she was at Kings.

I am now a happy man.

Romey
11-21-02, 08:53
Smoothdog, thanks for the information on Lee. Looks like I'll have to spend more money this week. And just incase anyone wants to know, Monica from Pine Tree is at Green Spa. Saw her Monday, great massage and finish. If you've never been there before it may take more than one visit to get extra service, but once they get to know you it's great!! I'm more than happy to back channel, but only look at my hotmail account once a dayor so and never on weekends. romeyjames@hotmail.com
Romey

DayGo
11-21-02, 16:44
I've been a long time customer of Lane's. But Anna was the only girl I would see. Yesterday Anna wasn't in and the Old lady wanted to take care of me. I said NO THANKS and left. Based on what I read in this site I went to ACE and there I meet CANDY. I may never go back to Lane's again. Candy was great and you say Lee is better. I can't wait.

Lancer
11-21-02, 20:10
Smoothdog,

Good to hear that Lee from Ace is the same one you were looking for. I'm glad I could help.

For those of you who haven't had a chance to see her, be cool, relax and ask for the soft massage, you won't regret it!!!

Lancer

BobEastSide
11-21-02, 22:51
Spasearch and peopleselbow - If you ever get up to madison, e-mail me at bobeastside@yahoo.com. We have a lovely lady up here who does serious massage with a hell of an ending. I'd be happy to exchange some info for my next trip to the Chicago area (coming up shortly).

SmoothDog
11-22-02, 00:35
Lancer

Thanks for the help on Lee. I hope she sticks around a while.

I had Candy there at Ace last week but couldn't convince her for more than a handshake. Anybody else have any experience with Candy? She might be more willin' the second time around but I can't afford to see someone more than twice for just the handshake.

Romey
11-22-02, 15:06
I just saw Lee over at Ace. She told me she has been there for 4 months. Can't believe it took me this long to find her again. Everything is as good as it was when she was at Kings.
Romey

Carpe Dium
11-26-02, 21:43
Well gentlemen, I've been busy for the last few weeks, but I see a lot of positive posts about Ace Spa and Langs Spa. This reminds of an old post I once saw and it made a lot of sense. When you go to the varoius Asian spas and find a diamond in the rough, make it a habit to see the same girl all the time.Also keep track of her if she relocates spas...(this is a good place to do that).
The best way to follow this protocol is to call the spa and make an appointment with that particular girl. This creates a special ambience and definitley makes your choice girl feel special, especially in front of her co-workers. Once you establish a rapore, the treats are awsome and they are consistent everytime you see her. Here is my example: I would go to a spa with the intention of a massage and perhaps a nice hj..nothing more.
Most of the time, if the girl would look average and gave a shity hj..I would pass on seeing her again. But as you guys know, with the law of averages, you will find a 6 or 7 with charm, personality and that special touch that you really enjoy. This is your mark. I would get a nice shower, rubdown and a hj..pay door fee and $30 tip.
I would ask for her name and then tell I would love to see her again by indicating that I will call and specifically ask for her!
The stage is set....Next time when you make the appointment, no matter how long it may be, she will remember you, and will be more comfortable in the situation. But I dont push for anything other then what she is willing to give..usally on the second time either a hj or a combo bbj and hj. You will notice that your hands are going to be allowed a little more freedom to roam. She may even remove her top.
Remaining a total gentleman, I compliment how pretty she is and how erotically she manipulates my organ as she is working on me. I rub her skin softly and tell her how beutifully soft she and as I am cumming to a finish, I call her name softly...repeat, gentlmen...call her name softly and say how much I want to make love to her., then I conclude by asking her if she would make love to me on the next visit , but only if she felt like it. She finishes me. I kiss her hand and her cheek on my way out and leave her a $40 tip.
In conclusion, gentlmen, I have gotten the best shower, massage and fs with this method for a total of $120 - $160 without a problem. And here is the kicker, once you establish yourself, you're set. I rarely see an escort now, even when they have specials.
So as a fellow hobbyist, the hunt is always there, but a diamond in the rough is a rare find...you can always hunt for that search of something on a higher level...but I bet you'll alkways return to your charmer when you want a sure thing.
P.S. This method is not good in Indiana's Peking Spa....It's a set deal there.... $200 for a roller coaster ride.
Keep it up with the reviews...but try to remember the names of the girls you see.

alphafield
11-27-02, 03:22
The soft romantic approach works, but as long as you don't give off cop vibes, a good girl at a real AMP will let you bang the shite out of her first time.

I want hardcore uninhibited sexual gratification when I go to an AMP.

BTW, anyone tried Diamond Spa yet???

-Af-

RealFun
11-27-02, 06:59
Hey alpha, carpe has a point. Sure you can get fs on the first day if you tip accordingly. He found a way to work up to getting fs for less. Good job, carpe dium.

BTW I'm looking for a girl that used to be at Royal Spa in Rockford about a year ago when it was called Fuji. She went by the name of Lily, she's about 30-35, 5'5" and has a round burn scar on her butt that would be about 4in accross.

alphafield
11-27-02, 20:07
Point taken, but FS for $160 total is the norm and can be done on the first visit, without whispering her name softly when you cum.

-Af-

ChicagoScott
11-27-02, 22:43
Checked out Green Spa in Oakbrook. First visit was so-so. Cloth remained on during table shower and I was covered at all times during massage. The massage itself was incredible so I wasn't too concerned that there was nothing more. She left the door open when I turned over. When I was walked out she walked me by the other girls as to say 'he's ok' or something. Visited again later in the week and was somewhat disappointed. Again covered during table shower and the door was left open during the entire massage. The girl I had previously in the week walked in during the massage and rubbed my shoulders and said 'you good man' and smiled. Thought more was coming, but nothing.

May give it one last shot to see if the third time is a charm.

Anyone else been here lately?

Schtick
11-28-02, 05:58
ChicagoScott:

Although I do not have any experience in the AMP's myslef, I feel compelled to offer you advice. First off, I have read up on AMP's and done my homework. My first visit is due in the very near future and I plan to fare very well.

First off, never tell them exactly what you are looking for. NEVER! Your first call of duty is to insure them that you are not a cop. A sure tell tale is to show them your penis in an unsuspecting way. Whether it be on "accident" or by pulling your erection out. One way or another, it must be done.

If she acts offended, ask her if that is wrong? If not, put very subtle moves on her. Ask her to disrobe. Rub her ass or legs gently, but be very casual. Act as if it is in the heat of the moment. As always, if she acts offended ask if that was wrong. Before long you will be trying to "stuff her turkey". And that is what it is all about.

Be casual and act smart. If done correctly you will be humping and dumping in no time!

Hope this helps. I would recommend doing your homework and reading up on this unique hobby. Study and learn what has been taught in the archives. There is much more for you to learn than what I mentioned.

Remember my slogan: "If you won't lick it, don't stick it!"

Bukake
11-28-02, 21:14
Aside from Chester I think Schtick is one of the most experienced hobbyists. We can all learn alot from him. Schtick brings up great points. I would also recomend going to King's, Lane, or Ace Spa. That is your best bet.

Schtick
11-29-02, 01:49
Thank you for the kind words Bukake. I know we have had differences in opinion in the past but I think it is evident that both aspire to further the hobby.

I totally agree with you that Chester has made the most meaninful contributions to this forum. We should all feel priveleged that we have the opportunity to learn from him. I am honored that you think I am even in Chester's league.

There are many who have graciously shared their stories and wisdom. Many (probably the majority) of these gentlemen have as much or more experience and expertise as me. There are also many more out there who probably track this forum but don't post. We need to make a push to get them to start contributing.

Anybody out there know anything about Roosters please speak up! I have the unfortunate feeling that it may not exist. We would have heard something by now.

Hope all got to "put the stuffing in the turkey". I'll post back sometime this weekend or sooner if I have a meaningful contribution.

Safe and happy humping!

RealFun
11-29-02, 02:16
With all due respect to Schtick, I have to disagree (to a certain extent). One of the best ways to ensure that you're not a cop is to explicitly ask for something illegal. If a cop does that its entrapment and he loses the bust. With known providers the best thing you can do is say, "I want to fuck," show money and make first sexual contact.

When provider and client face off and try to negotiate a first session, whoever suggests cash-for-gash first is at risk for arrest if the other is LE. Well, you know for sure that you aren't LE, but what about her? When its a SW or escort, there's the risk of a sting. However, at an AMP or known jackshack, Amer MP or whatever, there's no risk to you. You can be certain the girl is not LE, and the only risk is if there's a raid. So basically you're totally safe telling any parlor provider, "Lets fuck." The day I learned that I was able to relax and negotiate first meetings SOOOO much easier. Basically, if you're 100% sure the girl isn't LE then there's no need to "beat around the bush" (ha ha) and use double-meanings, facial expressions, sign language, hieroglyphics, etc. Just pay up, spit it out and grab her snatch.

The real reason you want to be a little more subtle in an AMP is because they seem to have this almost paranoid level of caution with what can be heard by someone outside of the room. Which, I'll admit, I don't quite understand. Sure its a well known fact to AMP veterans that you keep everything on the subtle low down. If you begin to get a little boisterous the girl will VERY quickly get things toned down. I believe that many guys have misconstrued these signals as being related to law issues.

In any business transaction, its always best for two people to be able to see eye-to-eye, and be on the same wavelength, etc. So, by all means meet the girl where she's at. If, for whatever reason, she wants to be subtle then be subtle. And at an AMP when they want you to be silent and subtle it has less to do with screening for LE, and more to do with creating a discreet and silent mood overall. No loud oohs & aahs, don't tell the guy waiting in the lobby, "pick Candy, she's a great lay..." no letters to the editor. As a matter of fact, I'd guess they're not too crazy about internet discussion boards.

Many of the girls view their job as being closer related to a professional masseuse/spa attendant, than to a SW hooker who happens to work indoors.

Try this on an AMP visit: as you hand her the money, respectfully whisper in her ear, "I want everything," while you let one hand slide down her back and over her ass. If she acts startled and unsure and asks for clarification, that's because she's been trained to do that. Back up, grab/flash your dick and point to her crotch and say "you know, (then silently mouth the word) everything..." or make the gesture of forming a circle with one hand and poke your other finger in and out, etc. Make it very clear to her that you are the one initiating the request to exchange service for tip.

Bottom line: the more you clearly convince her that YOU are the one asking for sex, the safer she'll feel knowing that you're not LE. The more discreet and quiet you can be, the more sure she'll be that you know how the game is played.

One last comment: much respect to Chester and Schtick, I don't want to seem to be at odds with Schtick. I'm not a fan of SWs, but I've been to the AMPs quite a bit. I just wanted to put a different spin on how/why to be cautious and discreet at an AMP.

HappyGardener
11-29-02, 02:56
Seems like an appropriate time t post this link. If you've read it before, sorry.
If not, take a look. I like to post this every once in a while for all the newbies out there.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/ampdude/

Myself, I am more of the subtle type. During the shower, I touch her casually and when she is washing me, I make sure I take her hand and put it on my unit when it is time to clean there. I assure her I am not going to give her any trouble. During the massage, when it is time to flip over, I offer to massage her. This usaually leads to her clothes coming off and an opppurtunity for me touche her all over and DATY. You'd be surprised how tense and sore these girls are from standing all day. They love atttention to their neck, legs and feet. Not to mention they are usually the cleanest women I have ever eaten.

Speaking of eating...think I'll make another turkey sandwich. Gotta get my stregth up for power shopping tomorrow.

Schtick
11-29-02, 03:17
realfun:

That's exactly why we have this forum. It gives the newbies and the rookies to the hobby a chance to learn and develop thier own style and techniques. Plus it gives the veterans a chance to share tips, ideas, techniques, etc. You have a great perspective. I've never considered that approach, but it obviously works for you. Just goes to show theres more than one way to bust a nut!

McRider
11-29-02, 13:55
Carpe Diem on his post about AMPs says;

>>You can be certain the girl is not LE, and the only risk is if there's a raid. So basically you're totally safe telling any parlor provider<,

If you are in an AMP when it gets raided, why should you be busted? My take is that I am an idiot, was there for a good massage and had no idea sex could be had and even if it was, I would never do such a thing. While you might be charged, if you did not admit to it, there is almost zero chance of a succesful procescution, no?

bigguyray
11-29-02, 15:55
Tried Ace spa again, first time in a year or two. There were three girls working, I got Hannah-not to be confused with the Hannah that worked there way back when. Typical AMP looks, mid to late thirties, fair body, nice natural tits with short, freshly dyed chestnut hair. I opted for the shower, she washed all my parts - always a good sign - and into the sauna to dry while she cleaned up. I got a short but decent real massage and started playing grab-ass with her while she was in front of me. With nary a suggestion on my part. She takes off her dress, leaves her lacy underwear on and hops on the table with me, sort of in a spooning position. At this point I thought I hit the jackpot but alas, no such luck. She rolled me over did a bit of sack nibbling and proceeded with the standard handshake. I asked for more but was flatly denied. Then she started with the old, "ooh come on baby, are you done yet?" routine and I was totally turned off. When she realized I was going to take more than 2 minutes, she told me she hurt her arm and just quit. I left a bigger tip than I should have hoping that I would have better luck with one of the other girls , Lee or Candy, on my return visit.

FYI, regarding the you're totally safe unless there's a sting comment, does anyone here remember the old MP in Aurora that was Daydreamers then Comfort Zone where any and everything was available? After they busted the girls, female LE posed as masseuse's and continued to bust customers for the rest of the night. And I was told by one of their former employee's that the reason they offered services to the undercover LE was they specifically asked for sex acts, exposed themselves, continued engaging in sex acts and denied they were LE, all counter to commonly held wisdom regarding the detection of LE and stings. And, the arrests held.

Just my 2 cents.

Ray

RealFun
11-30-02, 07:20
mcrider, that was my comment about being safe. And yes, I stand corrected. I'd never advise doing anything illegal. If you do the crime you'll do the time. That's why I personally only go for the scenery. But in all reality, if there's a raid I'm sure there'd be enough time to react. Somewhere on wsg some guy mentioned having been in an AMP during a raid. All that happened to him was he was stuck in the room for like an hour while the cops and providers and mamasan hashed things out in the hallway. Eventually one cop walked in and said something insignificant to him and then everyone cleared out of there. That's not to say that's all that would ever happen. But I'd hope that if someone was deeply involved as LE entered the facility that there would be enough time to disengage and look innocent before they made it into the room. I really don't see the fuzz doing a SWAT style high-speed break in.

Bigguyray, thanks for the reality-spank. I may have been getting too lax.

SmoothDog
12-01-02, 09:23
Saw Lee at Ace yesterday morning.

Still the same great service. It just proves if you find a girl you like, stick with her. Ask for her all the time. The service just gets better and better and it almost becomes a GFE, well almost :)

Bukake
12-01-02, 14:14
GFE? what does that mean? I've been with Lee and she is phenomonal. I am worried she is gonna disappear and go to another spa and I will have to start all over again with another girl. I asked her if she had any plans on leaving soon and she said no. She said "I will tell my customers in advance when I know I am going to go." I don't know if I buy that. Do any of the other girls at Ace or King's do a really good job? Smooth Dog I got a couple of questions that I don't feel comfortable broadcasting especially w/all the perverts lurking on this site. (just kidding gang) email me your address if you don't mind and I will fire a couple of questions your way. I want to compare notes on something.

HappyGardener
12-01-02, 17:19
bigguyray, realfun, et al;

I have been very lucky and have only been questioned twice by the cops in 20 years of hobbying. The cops let me off with a lecture both times. I have never been in an AMP when they were busted. There have been some experiences talked about here on the WSG. Most have all ended up good for our guys, except for having to explain where they have been for the last couple of hours. But bigguyrays story pertains to an American jack shack, not an Asian MP. I think it would be easy for the Aurora PD or the Kane County or DuPage County Sheriif to have two or three American girls work undercover after a bust. If I were to walk into an ASIAN massage place, and find American girls behind the counter, I wouldn't even stay to ask how much. This is not to say you are totally safe while in an AMP. Your taking a chance whenever you indullge in this hobby. It's probably safer than messing around in a crack house on the West side, while her friends are doing their business in another room.

RealFun
12-02-02, 03:45
For weeks before the AMP in Janesville WI got busted (and permanently shut down) a few months ago, disgruntled citizens were videotaping customers going in and out, and getting the license plates of the cars. I made a few visits there while this was supposedly going on (I found out afterwards, or else I wouldn't have been going there) but I never had anything come of it. Lucky for me, I musta inadvertently dodged them. True they can't bust you, but the idea is to "out" you to anyone in your family that might have a problem with your hobby. I'm sure most here know that this is a tactic to clear SWs out of a neighborhood.

Its too bad because apparently the main problem was people didn't want that business in that neighborhood; on a main drag, in a strip mall (as usual). And management was working on getting a new location set up. They knew about the community pressure to leave, they shoulda stepped up the pace on relocating, and they shouldn't have been lax with providing service. Once or twice, I would only see my provider from entry-to-massage (no mamasan to recognize me), and getting service was way too easy.

They were all pretty old there, way past their prime. I usually only went to get "warmed up" for a visit to a Rockford AMP. Let some old biddy do all the work of shower and long thorough massage; she'd practically beg me to go for "extras." Way too careless. Sometimes if I hadn't gotten it in a while, I'd go for the quick cheap easy hj. That way, by the time I made the 30-40 min trip to the Rockford AMP I'd recuperate a bit and I could tell some pretty young thing to skip the shower and massage and spend the majority of the hour on the main event. After having popped once already, I could last pretty good.

Anyways, it wasn't too surprising to see them on the evening news walking out of there in handcuffs. That was Wisconsin's last AMP, now there are none.

Nidhogg69
12-02-02, 07:50
Hey guys, just curious here - a while back (a year or more now), there used to be a great little place called... Dandelion Spa. Changed up the girls, then changed the name to Pine Tree, changed the girls again, and then pretty quickly went downhill and closed.

What *I'M* wondering is if any of you may have run across Sue, who used to work at Dandelion, in your exploits. Tall, thin, not especially pretty in the face, but AMAZING massage and some truly wonderful "Extras" once she knew ya. If anyone knows of her whereabouts, or has any tips... much appreciated.

I'll be making a trip out to Ace pretty soon now that I know Lee is there too ... excellent!

Stay safe!

Bukake
12-02-02, 18:01
Schtick, what's the word on Roosters? I was up at a bar in Chicago Heights called the Tender Trap this weekend. Somebody said there was a guy giving out the phone number of Rooster's the night earlier. I missed it by a day damn it. I went to King's and got a bbbj. Tipped $60 and she asked if that was it. I thought that was a good tip. Oh well.

"It's all about bustin' a nut!"

Schtick
12-02-02, 18:57
Bukake:

I've given up on Roosters. It's a hoax or those who do know are not playing nicely and not sharing. Either way I've lost hope. If it turns up great but I cannot continue to hold out hope that this place exists.

GFE!? Girl Friend Experience. If you find a reliable GFE enjoy it and take care of it! They don't come along all that often. I would have thought that a veteran of the hobby such as yourself would have known such basic terminology.

You need to go to the "Forum FAQ" and visit number 34. This should help. I know I sometimes have to go back and review because I can't rememer what all the abbreviations are.

Gotta run. I had 2 interesting experience over the weekned. I'll try to share them later.

Stay safe gang!

SmoothDog
12-03-02, 16:20
Bukake:

Back channel me at thelakeviewgroup@hotmail.com regarding Lee.

Bukake
12-03-02, 22:24
Smooth Dog I just fired you an email.

Schtick
12-04-02, 02:28
Hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving! I had a great turkey day. Had it at my house and the inlaws were over. To make a long story short I was sent to the grocery store to get green beans for the grean bean casserole. Ended up dropping some off some stuffing as well.

Took a detour to the grocery store to the heights and managed to pick up Rochellle a strung out WSW. As an appetizer before the big meal I had a BBBJ. Very average but a nice diversion from the days events. Could have easily had full service at a very reasonable rate but neither of us had a jimmy on hand.

On Saturday the inlaws left. For some reason my wife thought I was going out Sat. night. After receiving a BBBJ from my wife she sent me on my way. My buddy Tey is a fashion show guru and had a couple of the dancers lined up. Again, to make a long story short was able to land another BBBJ later in the evening. I paid dearly for it - $80 but she was really hot. And besides my wife got the easy one earlier in the evening.

Sounds like things are slowing down a bit, probably due to the weather. As previous posts have mentioned the weather will lead to some outstanding bargains. I think we all need to keep this in mind and its as important as ever to keep the info on this board moving.

At this time of year the hunt will be even more rewarding!

Hunt safe and hump hard!

Romey
12-04-02, 10:15
Stopped at Cute Chinese Girl yesterday. Service is always about the same and they change girls every month or so. Only one girl works there (that what they told me). The current girl is about a 6 or 7. 34 22 32 as best I can tell with great nipples. CBJ (decent), daty and then fs for 160.
Saturday I saw Monica at green Spa again. Must say she gives a great massage. She has the best body of any of the girls in the area AMP's (IMHO). All the extras I want including daty and a prostrate massage. As I’m a regular, I get the same service from all the girls there. I think they must share the information, because the first time I saw Monica she told me she new all about me. They are very careful so it will take a few times but well worth the effort.
Romey

Gooch
12-05-02, 11:52
Aragorn,
There was quite a bit of discussion about Dandelion/Pine Tree a while back. They changed owners and it was all downhill from there. Sue was awesome. That girl knew the male anatomy intimately. I asked around about her, but nothing. They probably shipped her off somewhere.:( That girl made me blow with a prostate massage and ball tickling only.

Ynot
12-05-02, 22:18
Was at Ace yesterday. Saw Lee. Definitely the best experience I've had at an area AMP. Just makes me want to sing...Y-M-C-A ;) !!!

Nidhogg69
12-05-02, 22:30
Hey, so was I!!! ;-)

Stopped in to Ace and saw Lee, and like so many others - a G R E A T time was had!!! She is a real treasure guys - make sure you treat her nice!

Flashman
12-05-02, 23:53
romey, where is "cute chinese girl"? sounds interesting

Romey
12-06-02, 12:52
Flashman, you can find the information at www.chicagoafterdark.com under massage or somewhere in the Lombard or Mt. Prospect forms.
Romey

Ynot
12-06-02, 22:01
Some day I'll learn! Decided to give Green Spa another try today after the encouraging words of Romey below. Got a nice massage - period. I don't know what I am doing at this place but it sure as hell ain't working, and it hasn't now for about the fifth or sixth time. I guess I just don't have Romey's touch. I give up on this place.

Since my massage didn't have the happy ending I was looking for, I went to Ace for some emergency therapy. Got Candy this time. Very nice massage. Although she was riding the crimson wave, I still left with a smile on my face (but nothing more). She assured me things would be better next time. Can't wait for some delicious holiday Candy!

Flashman
12-06-02, 23:47
ynot, don't feel bad about your experience at the Green Spa.

I have been there twice and no luck at all. I have had good success at many other places, but I have not yet figured this one out. I agree that it is not worth anymore attempts.

Romey
12-09-02, 09:58
ynot , Sorry about your experience at Green Spa. I’ve been going there for a long time. Lee (now at Ace was there) and that's how I got my foot in the door. My firs time (before Lee) was massage only as well. I was there on Friday and Monica told me that only regulars’ customers get extra. I'll have to ask next time how someone becomes a regular.
Romey

Member #4943
12-09-02, 12:47
Does anyone know if Spa 34 is reopened? I've had some great experiences there, before it was closed down. I am asking, b/c i read a post about it on the gentlemensreview.net, and it seems to be reopened. Does anyone have any info. on this? Thanks...

Ynot
12-09-02, 18:33
Romey, how often is "regular" in regards to Green Spa?

Romey
12-10-02, 09:44
ynot, not sure, I know because of the bust at Kings they are very careful. I've been going every week or so for the past 6 months. I'm going to ask a few more questions next time go. I'll report back when I find out.
romey

massagelover
12-10-02, 17:08
Went to Ace today, had Candy. What a treat! I have not been to Ace since Sue left. The service was better than I ever received with Sue. She gave me russian, and even sucked on my nipples!
She has a great body also.

Bobc31
12-10-02, 17:42
Romey......... I lurk around the boards to try new places....... like everyone else I have follow Lee in her travels from King's to Ace and she is great. I tried Cute Chinese Girl today..... directions on board were good and I was told a new girl started today when I called...... but once there had to wait for current customer to go to bathroom and then to bedroom while she let they customer out. This girl is being used for mass f*****g..... get undressed, less than 5min massage, donate for additional massage which lasted all of 5 - 10 min since she said they were very busy and had to make room for another who had called while I was waiting...... while I agree with YMMV I will stay with Lee..... Just my observation.... Happy hunting

Romey
12-11-02, 09:45
Bobc31R, My rule of thumb is to always try to be the first customer of the day wherever I go. I avoid those type of issues (mostly) Cute Chinese Girl is not the greatest but I like a change ever now and them. One can always count on Lee for good service, that's for sure.
Romey

Ynot
12-15-02, 14:39
Got another chance to go to Ace a couple days ago. Asked for Candy. Things were much better this time as she was no longer riding the crimson wave. Best experience yet at a DuPage AMP. Made me feel like a true missionary man.

Flashman
12-16-02, 12:48
Where is ACE?

Ynot
12-18-02, 01:32
Flashman,

Ace is on Ogden Rd. in Downers Grove a few blocks east of Finley/Belmont on the south side of the street, just east of Wendy's. Enjoy!!!

Jayb4512
12-18-02, 22:29
Any Idea how long Ace has actualy been there?

I used to work at that wendy's back in 84-85 over the summer. I don't remember it then. Still, I was only 17 at the time....

Romey
12-23-02, 12:18
Ace has been there for at least three years. That's all I can say as I've only been in this area for that amount of time. Also just an FYI... A there is a new girl at Cute Chinese Girl. Saw he last week and everything is still the same. They don't like a lot of touching or daty, but you just have to be persistent.
Good hunting.
Romey

HappyGardener
12-28-02, 19:18
If it matters...

Ace and Kings have been in that area since the early 90's. I used to frequent both of them than when I had a lot of reasons to be in that area. ( I don't anymore). The funny thing was they used to split the cost of the ads in the Sun-Times, and the coupon had both names & both locations on it. I asked one of the girls one time about it, and she shrugged it off and wondered why I was interested. She said they were two separate owners, but cheap.

Bukake
01-01-03, 20:04
Went to Ace on Monday morning. Lee is on vacation til next week so I went with Bonnie. She is a little thinner and a little prettier than Lee but her tits are smaller and less firm. It was my first session with Bonnie. I found her to be decent but not great. Lee was better by far in the service department.. It may not be a fair comparission considering the fact that Lee and I have developed a rapport over the course of time. I have yet to try out Candy. In fact the person I always thought was Candy turned out to be Bonnie. Any of guys out there that have tried Lee, Bonnie, and Candy, rank their qualities including face, body and service if you have the time. I am curious to see who is the best and worst

Strider
01-02-03, 04:20
I was at Ace a few weeks ago and was with a girl with a short bob dyed red in spots (first visit, HJ only, nothing extraordinary to report); didn't get her name; any idea which one she was? I'd also say that she was a short asian woman but I don't think that would help narrow it down. ;-)

Bukake
01-02-03, 11:35
I don't know who that would be. I know it it doesn't sound like Lee or Bonnie. I haven't had Candy so it might have been her. But I'm not sure. A little help would be appreciated

Gooch
01-02-03, 11:56
Bukake,
About Bonnie.... 5'4" (+or-) thin, early 30's, straight long hair, cute, A cup, very sweet? Just wondering if it's the same Bonnie from VIP? What kind of extras did you get, the usual for Ace?

DayGo
01-02-03, 13:29
Strider, That's Candy you are talking about. She is usually very good. The service gets better the more you see her. I've never met Lee, but I did have Bonnie once but never again.

Bukake
01-02-03, 17:49
Gooch, I think she is the same Bonnie. She has long stright hair. She is in her early thirties. A/B cups and petite. Got the standard handshake. It was my first visit with her. Does she get friendlier as she gets to know you?

Gooch
01-03-03, 11:38
I could never get more than a handshake at VIP, but that was VIP. It seemed like Bonnie wanted to do more, but was afraid to break the house rules. She's a very timid girl. But she sure did provide a great m&h. Ace is not anywhere near my normal travels, but I'll have to get down that way soon to see for sure if it's the same Bonnie, and to find out how well she speaks french. Thanks Bukake.

Strider
01-04-03, 05:13
Thanks, Daygo. I'll stick with her on my next visit and see what happens. Report to follow...

revtothemax
01-07-03, 02:45
Hi,

I went to Ace on Saturday and met Candy. Since it was my first time, I only got a HJ. The HJ is $40. She said I could get FS next time for $100. Am I getting a good rate here?

Thanks

Bobc31
01-07-03, 14:29
revtothemax,
Went last week and saw Candy...... told here that I had been there before and we went from there, no fees discussed........ total $80

NewUserHere
01-10-03, 00:24
Hi, new poster here. Thanks to all who are contributing.

I tried couple amps in the west suburbs. Ace spa and exercise spa. Got rejected both times. Took a look at me and frowned and told me they don't serve koreans. WTF?

Anyone know anything about this rule?

BTW, know any good EMPs around here. Looks like AMPs are off limits for me.

RealFun
01-10-03, 18:06
NewUserHere
Are you for real? Damn, that sucks, dude. I've never been to any of the Lombard AMPs, but it does seem that they are generally just a tad more cautious/limiting than the Rockford AMPs. But to get rejected outright like that just ain't right. I actually find that surprising, based only on my experiences in Rockford. I seen an Asian guy walking out of Rainbow one day (he was darker skinned, maybe Thai or Phillipino). The girl actually seemed pleased to have an asian customer and called him her "Asian brother."

If you'd like, you can backchannel me at mmwtrip@yahoo.com. I have something to share with you that I'd rather not post here.

Well whatever you do, bro, I hope you have better luck in the future.

Anyang.

DayGo
01-11-03, 14:29
newuserhere,

There must have been something about that turn them off. Maybe you look like LE. I have seen Asian Males in Ace and in King Spa.

Snake00
01-14-03, 20:45
What does Candy at ACE look like? Age? Service? Thanks for the help!

Gooch
01-16-03, 07:44
Bukake (and everyone else),
I got a chance to head over to Ace Spa last night to find out if Bonnie was the Bonnie I used to see at VIP years ago. Unfortunately, it wasn't the same one. Ironically, the Bonnie that is at Ace used to work at VIP under another name, which I couldn't remember, and she wouldn't tell me. But anyway, we remembered seeing each other at VIP. BTW, she just cut her hair the other day, it's shoulder length now. She did say that the Bonnie I was looking for has left the area for good. :( Also she told me that Sue is no longer working at Ace.

Bukake, to answer your question, I think you're only gonna get a handshake from this one. I got her pretty comfortable talking about all the AMP girls we both know (there must've been ten), she pretty much said that she knows that some girls do more, etc, etc, but she only wants to do hj.

All in all, just like Bukake said, Bonnie is decent, not great. I have to disagree on describing her as petite, but that's probably just my tastes. I found her to be somewhat thick in the middle with saggy c's and the world's biggest nipples. She was cute, and very very sweet. I had a really nice visit with her, because we had so much to talk about, but that didn't make it a great session. 70/40 (and you guys know I'm usually more generous than that).

Gooch
01-22-03, 16:19
I did. Didn't you get it?

Bukake
01-22-03, 22:14
Sorry buddy. I just checked it sorry. I will fire one your way in the next day or so

bigguyray
01-23-03, 17:11
Late post -

Thought I posted this already but I must've forgotten. Tried Ace one more time a couple of weeks ago. This time I was steered to Lee. Since this was my second visit in a short span of time, things were much more relaxed all around. Girls were laughing, joking and being friendly. Anyway, I'm giving Lee a 10 for attitude and service. 6 for looks, some people might think that's a tad generous. She mentioned that she knew people were talking about her on the internet and it made her nervous. She'd rather that we didn't lay out the specifics, which is why I won't, and she will proceed with caution.

She also joked about a customer who tracked her down to this spa. Said he called all the spa's and described her, where she came from etc. Thought it might be someone from this board. Tell you the truth, I might do the same if she leaves.

NewUserHere
01-24-03, 00:20
Daygo, have you ever seen korean's in AMPs? I think it was because I am korean. For some reason, they won't service their own race. Weird huh? Not even a message.

RealFun
01-24-03, 06:14
NewUser, a while ago I invited you to backchannel me. A short time later I developed a problem with that em acct., and if you sent me something I never got it. I hope you don't think I just blew you off. If you want to or not is up to you, I wanted to talk to you about the race issue you're having at AMPs. This address is working now: mmwtrip@yahoo.com

NewUserHere
01-25-03, 01:29
hey realfun,

if you can discuss it on the boards that would be cool or if you want send me an email (ymdcool@yahoo.com). im curious to know why this is... i know in korea they service korean guys but not here. im pretty new so im probably not too inform in this matter and you can enlighten me.

Strider
01-25-03, 14:00
When I was at King's in November, as I was walking in, one of the girls was escorting out an Asian (possibly Korean) gentleman, and giving him a hug and a kiss on the cheek goodbye. I assume that you would get a better welcome there.

Bammbamm
01-27-03, 11:33
Anyone had more than just a HJ at Kings?
bammbamm1@virgilio.it


Bamm

Ynot
01-27-03, 19:21
No such luck here. But if you backtrack on this board, there are reports that Mimi will do a BBBJ. Since my luck has been steadily improving at Ace and Exercise along with some of the EMP's, I no longer feel the urge to go to Kings.

Zoot
01-28-03, 10:39
Question,

There's an MP on Rowling rd (rt 53) and Addison rd in Addison.
They have adds in the Simes from time to time.

Has anyone had any experience with this place?

Does it compare with Executive in Bellvedere?

DayGo
01-28-03, 12:34
Zoot

Rt 53 Rolhwing road and Addison road are about 2 miles apart and both run noth and south. If you mean Island spa on 53 and Army Trail road, it's a dump. One old Mama San. Not worth the effort. Avoid Playland Spa. It is a major ripoff $400.00 for self service.

Vegasmike
01-28-03, 12:46
Zoot-

It is a self-serve Jack Shack. Nothing at all like Belvediere. (but then again, I have yet to find any place else "just like Belvediere"

Stay away from this one unless you like to spend Mucho Buck to please yourself.

Jeff
02-05-03, 15:38
Has anybody been to Absolute Express on Millwaukee, right north of Lake/Cook Road?? I have been there three or four times, each time massaged by the same good looking blonde of eastern european descent. Each time I left after recieving a great hj finish. Boy each one had to been the best hj ever. I get the impression that a hj is all they will do though. They do offer outcalls, I wonder if the women are more adventerous on a out call. Anybody been there??

Romey
02-07-03, 10:34
Just thought I would pass along to anyone who is interested that Lee (sometimes goes by Sonny as well) from Dandelion is now working at Green Spa. She gives a great massage and a very nice finish. I know some of you have not had good luck there, but if you knew Lee from the past it might be a good way to break the barrier. Was at Cute Chinese Girl last week and finally saw the one who answers the phone. She looks better that any of the girls that have worked there, but I don't think she provides any service. There was also some guy watching TV when I left. They both were nice, but it felt weird with both of them in the living room.
Good hunting.
Romey

Ynot
02-07-03, 17:36
Romey,

Glad to see that Cute Chinese seems to be working out for you. I have also seen the girl in the past who answers the phone. You're right, she and a guy are always there watching TV while the other girls give the massage. Kinda weird. I don't think she gives massages either.

Regarding Green Spa, I've now gone back a couple times on your advice and have gotten a girl who goes by Mu (not the most flattering name but, oh well). Pretty girl with a nice bod and a sense of humor. Still nothing more than a massage, but I think she might be worth investing some time in.

DayGo
02-12-03, 12:29
Went Ace last night. I've been going there weekly for the last few months. Normally I see Candy but she was on vacation. Met Lee for the first time. Not much to look at 3/4 maybe very rough in the shower. decent massage but good bbbj with fast hj finish. She rushes to much Candy takes her time and will provide FS if you have your own protection. Lee went topless but after seeing her, I didn't want her to go that far.


Happy Hunting

Skonsk
03-11-03, 11:49
As a new poster - recounting some experiences - others have been posted on the chicago board - but - one day at the beginning of Feb I was at a conference in the western burbs and thought I'd try ACE because of the previous good recommendations. Got Bonnie - and as I read somewhere - that was unfortunate - very rushed - kept on leaving the massage room to answer the door - when I made the motion for a handshake she said they dont to that kind of stuff here

Frustrated - went down the road to kings. Got a girl named penny. Didnt get the shower - but got a massage and she signalled for a tip for the handshake - not the greatest but at least not a frustrating experience

Gooch
03-12-03, 11:36
skonsk,
Sorry to hear about your lame experiences in Downers. Things aren't what they used to be, that's for sure. I did get a handshake from Bonnie the one time I went there, but it was uninspired at best. I had to do a little name dropping to get her comfortable enough.

DayGo
03-13-03, 13:42
Skonsk & gooch

Bonnie is not the one to see at ACE. She will give an HJ only if she is sure you have been there before. Never does anything more. Next time see Candi or Lee. Lee has given bbbj she is not the best looking. (see my earlier post). Candi is the best. Great shower, excellant massage, French lesson, best handshake you will ever get. After the first few visits with Candi hand her a condum at the start of the message and she will do the rest. I usually tip her $100 for full service.

Bobc31
03-13-03, 13:51
Sknosk & gooch

I agree with Daygo regarding Candi and Lee. Lee does give a good shower and the rest is not rushed. The one time I saw Candi was probably during the lunch hours and it was a little rushed but fun none the less, will have to go back during a slower time. Have not seen Bonnie so I would go with the board.

George W. Bush
03-14-03, 01:37
hey skonsk,

Was Penny fairly young with a nice rack? Sounds like Penny from New Look.

Skonsk
03-14-03, 13:28
Originally posted by George W. Bush
hey skonsk,

Was Penny fairly young with a nice rack? Sounds like Penny from New Look. She was short and kind of chubby - did get her tits out of an industrial strenght bra and they were large got to feel them and suck just a little.

Gooch
03-25-03, 12:16
Anybody been to Lane's Spa lately?

Ynot
03-25-03, 12:49
Gooch,

Was at Lane's a few days ago. Unfortunately, the visit was pretty typical. Got a lady who was pretty chunky. Typical massage. Typical handshake ending. Nothing special. Didn't get her name, had no intention of seeing her again.

Gooch
03-25-03, 16:30
Too bad, I'm gonna be in the area tonight. I was hoping for better news. Maybe I'll toodle on down to Ace.

Ynot
03-26-03, 02:25
Gooch,

That's the good thing about Ace. It's pretty much a "sure thing" if you get Candy or Lee. If I'm striking out everywhere else, I know I can go there, kinda like Exercise in Mt. Prospect. In fact, I prefer Ace to King's, since it seems all I'm ever gonna get at King's is the obligatory handshake. The thrill of the hunt still keeps me going, so I'm always trying different places looking for new experiences or going back to places where I've already been looking for improvement, like Lane's.

The one place I still haven't been able to crack is Green Spa. Everytime I go there, it seems like I get a different girl. The only one I've ever gotten more than once is Mushi. I think there might be some potential there, but I have my doubts with the rest of them. And WTF is with them leaving the doors partially open during the massage?

Too bad Oasis Spa in Hinsdale closed shortly after my first visit. I had a very nice session with a really cute brunette from the Ukraine. I think they had some major potential. Bad timing for me, I guess.

Romey
03-26-03, 09:19
Ynot, when you go to Green Spa ask to see Nina or Sonny (she is Lee from Dandelion). As for the door being left open this is form when Kings was busted. I always get serviced there and they leave the door open during my massage as well. Most times we have our fun first then the massage.
Good luck
Romey

Ampert
04-04-03, 12:31
LOOK FOR DANDLION TO REOPEN IN MAY. MIGHT BE UNDER NEW NAME.

Ynot
04-12-03, 03:37
Two more bite the dust...

Decided to drive by Far East Health Spa of Glen Ellyn today. I've only been there twice, and never got any extras at all. Since I hadn't been there in a while, I figured my luck might change. When I pulled up, I found out they were no longer there. The blinds have been taken down and there is a "for lease" sign up in the window. Tried their number, it's been disconnected. If my previous experiences were typical, this is no great loss to the area.

Since I was in the area, I decided I would drive by Spa 34 in Westmont. The last time I was by there, there was an "opening soon" sign in the window. I have never been in there before, but I heard that some of the girls were pretty good and extras could be had. Once again, once I pulled up, I found the place to be emptied out and a "for lease" sign in their window, too. Strike two.

Finally ended up at Ace with Bonnie. Nice massage and handshake, pretty much a given there.

Ynot
04-12-03, 04:04
Oops, almost forgot...

Drove by the old Dandelion/Pine Tree. Pine Tree sign is still up and so is the "temporarily closed" sign in the window. Last time I tried their number it was disconnected.

Also drove by the Playground (formerly Kisses) in Addison. They are also closed. No great loss, though. They were just another jackshack (even though they did get busted for prostitution some months back).

While I drove by there, I noticed that the old Island Health Spa is now a Psychic/Palm Reader type place. Hmmm...makes me wonder about my theory regarding these places.

Gargoyle
04-20-03, 01:50
I was thinking of taking the trip to Ace in Downers Grove. Can anyone give me some info on the best girl, how much the hr rate is and is FS available.

Gargoyle

DayGo
04-21-03, 12:05
Originally posted by Gargoyle
I was thinking of taking the trip to Ace in Downers Grove. Can anyone give me some info on the best girl, how much the hr rate is and is FS available.

Gargoyle

Lee is good will do bbbj. Candi is better gives a great handshake, speaks french and will provide FS only after you have seen her a few times. Once she gets to know you bring protection and give it to her when she starts the massage. She will do the rest. $70 for message 40 to 50 for BBBJ $100 for FS

Ynot
04-21-03, 13:59
Gargoyle,

DayGo is right on with Candy. She is probably the best one to see there. Just make sure you bring your own raincoat since they do not supply them as far as I know. FS is available with Lee, too, but Candy is better on the eyes and much more feminine. Lee can be a little rough. I've heard that Greek is available there, too, but I have yet to get it.

If all you're looking for is a handshake, Bonnie will also take care of you. She's somewhere in between Candy and Lee as far as looks go. If you're into nice nips, Bonnie won't disappoint you.

It's been just these three there for a while, now. Hopefully with the weather getting better, their business should get better, and maybe we'll see some new blood this spring.

Gargoyle
04-21-03, 22:45
Thanks guys for the info at Ace, sounds like a good time can be had there by anyone but candy seems to be the one for me. If I get there soon I'll post some info about my visit.

massagelover
04-25-03, 19:28
I have been going to AMP for years now and have always had my "fun" after the massage was over. Have any of you had your fun before the massage and table shower at places like Aces or the many other ones around Chicago. The reason I ask is because it seems that at places like Perking Spa in Indiana to seems to be the norm.

Ynot
04-26-03, 02:39
massagelover,

While I've had my "fun" before the massage at a couple places including Ace, I doubt that you will find many of them that will do it before the table shower. They clean you up for a reason, especially when they pay close attention to the poop chute. A lot of AMP's will do Asian, and they want to make sure they've cleaned you up thoroughly before hand. However, I've heard of a few instances where they will give a second table shower after the party is over.

Flashman
04-26-03, 09:38
massage lover,

more on your questions:

i agree that the shower will always come first, table or stand-up, which is a good idea for both parties. i never had or heard of a second table shower-after, but you can always request at least a do it yourself stand-up shower-after. I have never been turned down on this request. if you are lucky or well known, she may join you, but this would be rare-unless you request it up front and pay for it.

i have had the main course before, during and after the massage. depends on your relationship with the provider and the "signs" you give her from the beginning, and when you pay etc.

for a new girl at a new place i don't offer any extra money until the critical "turn-over" phase of the massage, so that's when the fun starts. of course, your reactions during the initial shower and during the first part of the massage-while she is doing your back, are what she is looking for. let your hands roam freely from the beginning-which sends the message. if you are refused, laugh and try again and if refused again, you are probably in the wrong place.

for a good, repeat provider, where i have an established rate, i will usually just pay everything at the very beginning, without saying a word. you can then just tell her how you want to start. Soft or hard massage or right to the main event.

often, the serious fun starts in the shower before the massage and just continues-with a regular.

RE: Bakery

Anyone out there with a recent visit? Have they gone back to the table shower? What's going on there? Is there an alternative to those strange massage tables with the automatic rollers?

RE: A+

Suzie is well reported as a good time, but no FS. Anyone out there with a report on others at A+? Names to ask for etc.?

Thanks

Ampert
04-26-03, 10:30
I AGREE WITH FLASHMAN, DEPENDING ON YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH PROVIDER THERE CAN BE A DIFFERENT ORDER OF EVENTS.
AT TIMES I PREFER THE SOFT MASSAGE FIRST,IT TAKES AWAY THE ANTICIPATION AND ALSO YOU'RE MUCH MORE RELAXED.
ONE GREAT EXPERIENCE AT AN AMP WAS A TIME I WAS THE LAST CUSTOMER FOR THE NIGHT AND MY REGULAR PROVIDER WAS ALL ALONE. SHE TAKES ME TO THE ROOM WERE THE GIRLS HANG OUT DURING THE DAY. THEY LAY ON THIS THIN MATRESS THAT IS HEATED. VERY COMFORTABLE.

RE ; BAKERY

APPARENTLY THE LE WERE HARRASSING THEM ABOUT THE TABLE SHOWER AND MASSAGE TABLES. IN ORDER TO RENEW THEIR LICENCE THEY HAD TO CHANGE THING AROUND.THANK GOODNESS SOME THINGS DON'T CHANGE

Bill R
04-26-03, 12:34
I've found that as a regular the main event begins as soon as I walk in. Usually some gentle fondling, then BBBJ leading to FS.

It's interesting these ladies just hang out on the heated blankets and watch Korean videos. Often they just spend the night at the shop.

Flashman
04-27-03, 13:25
billr37

if you want a massage first, just ask, especially if you are a regular. sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't!

i think most of the koreans live in the place 24-7, for the month or two they are on duty. then they move to another town with same set up or they go to their home base for a while.

most of them claim to never have visited downtown chicago etc.

HappyGardener
04-29-03, 00:15
Originally posted by flashman
massage lover,



i agree that the shower will always come first, table or stand-up, which is a good idea for both parties. i never had or heard of a second table shower-after, but you can always request at least a do it yourself stand-up shower-after. I have never been turned down on this request. if you are lucky or well known, she may join you, but this would be rare-unless you request it up front and pay for it.



When Royal was open on IrvingPark in Chicago and I was seeing one particualr girl there, she always gave me and after shower and joined in. I never asked, she started it. i won't bore you with the particualrs but she had an interesting way of applying the soap suds. Alas, she went back to LA and got married.

HappyGardener
04-29-03, 00:17
Originally posted by billr37

It's interesting these ladies just hang out on the heated blankets and watch Korean videos. Often they just spend the night at the shop.

They don't just spend the night there. That is often where they live. I live within the Korean area of Chicago and many of the girls in the suburbs have never even hear of it, much less been there.

Bill R
04-29-03, 08:35
HG,

You live in my neck of the woods. Do you ever stop in for Kimchee or kalbi at any of the restaurants? I always try to pick up some Korean phrases from the waitresses. I've found that will help you out at the AMPs.

Tencan
04-30-03, 08:40
Went to ace yesterday and saw bonnie. I had a good time...the massage was nice and so was the finish(hj only).

Ynot
05-05-03, 00:27
HG,

I wouldn't doubt that some of these girls live at the AMP's. They sleep there and eat there. That's one of the reasons I dislike Q Spa in Bartlett, even though it's probably the closest to me. You walk in there and it smells like cabbage or some kind of sour vegetable. I like AMP's that smell fresh and clean and aromatic. It's hard to stay in the mood when the place smells like a rotten egg roll.


Ampert,

Geez, man! Turn off the Caps Lock :p.

Flashman
05-05-03, 10:06
ynot,

You don't love the smell of Kimchi in the morning, afternoon and evening?

I am afraid that it is an occupational hazard of the amp hobby. Even at high class places like ps, if you are there at the wrong time.

But, I agree with you and I prefer a fresher smell. Let us know if you find one!

Timmy
05-05-03, 15:08
[QUOTE]Originally posted by flashman
[i]massage lover,


RE: A+

Suzie is well reported as a good time, but no FS. Anyone out there with a report on others at A+? Names to ask for etc.?

was there about april 15. had nice massage with angel with f/s. black, 7 little titts, trimmed bush, nice soft ass. 1/2 hour fee +90.

DayGo
05-05-03, 16:37
Originally posted by timmy
[QUOTE]Originally posted by flashman
[i]massage lover,


RE: A+

Suzie is well reported as a good time, but no FS. Anyone out there with a report on others at A+? Names to ask for etc.?

was there about april 15. had nice massage with angel with f/s. black, 7 little titts, trimmed bush, nice soft ass. 1/2 hour fee +90.

Where is A+. Can I get an address?

Thanks

Ynot
05-06-03, 02:57
Daygo,

Go to aplusmassagetherapy.com.

DayGo
05-09-03, 11:14
Saw Candy at ACE last night Got the usual fine service, but after what was usually the fun finish she started with a deep tissue message that was really so relaxing I fell asleep on the the table. Left feeling really great.

Flashman
05-17-03, 12:01
Where is ACE?

Sounds like an above average amp.

Anyone else out there with a trip report to ACE?

Ynot
05-17-03, 13:13
flashman,

Ace is located on Ogden road east of Finley/Belmont of the south side of the street in a small shopping strip in Downers Grove. There are plenty of reports on Ace on this board. I have one about a page back or so, but there are lots more to choose from. If you're using Windows, the "Find (on this page)" edit function will make searching a little easier.

Flashman
05-17-03, 13:21
ynot,

thanks for the info

Ynot
06-02-03, 16:35
This board's been kinda quiet lately. Anyone been to King's recently? It's been months since I've been there. Seems since they got busted, a handshake was all you could hope for. Any improvements?

Bill R
06-13-03, 14:31
Business took me to the western suburbs yesterday so I stopped in at Lane's. I was a regular there back in 95-96 but have only been there twice in the last few years.

I had CoCo. Fairly average looking abit on the thin side for my tastes and she needs some dental work. I was only seeking a handshake and had no problems with that. She did say more options would be available my next visit.

I'll be out there next week so I'll post how it goes.

Romey
07-16-03, 07:37
Went to Cute Chinese Girl yester day. The first time since they moved (they are now on Finley in Lombard off of Roosevelt). They is a guy there and he met me at the outside door. This was a little uncomfortable, as I had to stand outside for five minutes waiting. The girls as a 5 at best very plain looking and skinny with a little belly. But I was there and figured oh well. Short massage them on to fs doggie, as she looked better that way. On the way out the guy gave me his card. The card said Good Mood and the phone number. Didn't like the set up so I may not be going back for a wile.
romey

alphafield
07-17-03, 21:40
Went to Kings Sunday night for my first ever visit. I had "Byung"?

Large sign indicating no sexual contact was a downer. For 55 of my 60 minutes, she acted like I was getting nothing. Finally at the end she gave in and gave me a decent HJ, but her attitude was not good at all. Tipped her $40 on top of the $70 house fee. She tried to tell me that lots of guys go there for massage only....whatever

I'd try this place again, but hopefully the other girls have better attitudes. My friend was with me and he had a much better experience, not sure who he was with though....he said his massage was so god he tipped $70 for HJ.

-Af-

Ynot
07-18-03, 01:32
Alpha,

Don't worry about the "no sexual contact" signs. I believe that these are required by Downer Grove ordinance. Same ones are up at Ace, and, of course, we all follow the rules ;).

As far as some guys going there for just a massage, that may be true, but if that's all these places were doing, they'd all go out of business.

Gooch
07-18-03, 08:20
To add to that... many of the customers are first timers or curious one-timers who don't know the routine and half way expect nothing. Just like my first time :)

Jayb4512
07-21-03, 17:24
I used to visit Kings on a semi- regular basis. I don't feel that the place is worth the effort anymore, especially with Ace only a few miles away . I never really had any luck past a hj.

SamaRy
07-21-03, 18:56
Originally posted by Gooch
many of the customers are first timers ... Just like my first time :)

Yep, just act like you know what you are doing and be nice about it...


Still have yet to get FS at ACE (or any AMP in the area), but always a happy ending....

Ynot
07-21-03, 20:15
Jay,

Since King's got busted in October, a handshake is about the only thing on the menu. Mimi used to give BBBJ's, but don't know if she still does. I haven't been there since winter. Ace is The Place and Candy's the girl to see. Once she knows you, just pay her ahead of time and give her your raincoat, and you'll be off to the races. I'm pretty sure, however, that Ace is the only AMP in DuPage to offer the real deal, unless you want to count all the Chinese places that operate out of apartments.

Nidhogg69
07-22-03, 17:16
Originally posted by Ynot
Jay,

Since King's got busted in October, a handshake is about the only thing on the menu. Mimi used to give BBBJ's, but don't know if she still does. I haven't been there since winter. Ace is The Place and Candy's the girl to see. Once she knows you, just pay her ahead of time and give her your raincoat, and you'll be off to the races. I'm pretty sure, however, that Ace is the only AMP in DuPage to offer the real deal, unless you want to count all the Chinese places that operate out of apartments. Anyone know what happened to the ladies from Dandelion (became Pine Tree & rapidly went down hill)? Used to get lots of the real deal from a few ladies there (Ruby/Luby? , Sue, Lee, & others). Wish they were still around or that I knew where Sue ended up, she gave one A M A Z I N G massage!

George W. Bush
07-22-03, 20:16
I called there tonight, and was told Mimi no longer works there :-( Does anyone know where my favorite bad girl went to? I haven't been to King's for a while either, unfortunately. Anywhere else to go for a good BBBJ?

SmoothDog
07-23-03, 12:14
Went to Ace this past Sunday and saw Lee.

Same good times had, but honestly it's getting stale with her. Told me she is leaving in August, starting a new AMP in Downers Grove off of Route 83 and Ogden. Probably will be open in September.

As for King's, I've had nothing but a good handshake there. Never more. Was seeing someone name Yung, some face sitting, good handshake but never could get her for FS.

I like Ace, but am tired of the staff. Any suggestions?

Is Mimi still with Kings?

Jayb4512
07-23-03, 13:20
I know that it's a bit of a drive, but peking Spa in Indiana (check the Gary/NW Indiana board) is the place to be. Most of you know the routine, just walk in the door and say that you've been there before. When the girl starts, hand her $200 (or so, depending) and you'll get FS (even greek, if you are so inclined, and fortunate).


Read the boards for directions.

TheShadow2
07-23-03, 20:56
jayb4512,
I don't think we should be handing the girls 200, when 140 gets the same result. This only drives the price up for everyone.
I know it's 200 total if you include the entry, but your description made it sound like 260 total. Am I misinterpreting something here? Anyone else want to venture an opinion?

alphafield
07-23-03, 21:48
My two cents...

$200 total should be the maximum price at an AMP for massage and FS, and only if she's hot and you get great service.

I think $100-120 tip should be the standard tip for FS (excluding Peking Spa).

When tyring a new place, I aim for $40 tip for HJ with roaming hands, nudity, etc....but am willing to pay more for a job well done.

-Af-

Big D
07-23-03, 21:50
jayb4512: I have never come close to getting greek at PS. Maybe there is a girth issue, but the only few times I brought it up, the 5' Korean looked at me as if I had gone completely crazy.

TheShadow2: Not $260. $200.

TheShadow2
07-23-03, 22:32
Big D,
200 at PS.
I know.
Been there, done that. More than once.
Just trying to keep it that way....

Vinny Voom
07-23-03, 23:02
Originally posted by Big D
jayb4512: I have never come close to getting greek at PS. Maybe there is a girth issue, but the only few times I brought it up, the 5' Korean looked at me as if I had gone completely crazy.

TheShadow2: Not $260. $200. Agreed. I've been to PS MANY times over the years, and greek was always out of the question. So who is the "lucky" girl we must see there?

George W. Bush
07-24-03, 09:42
Originally posted by smoothdog
[Is Mimi still with Kings? [/i]Not according to the mama san who answered the phone. I called last Friday and she said Mimi doesn't work there any longer. Too bad, she was great.

Ampert
07-24-03, 10:35
$200 up front at PS makes life easy and to the point. Apparently it's been that way for years. However, around chicago $100 over house fee for fs is not out of line. I'll kick in an additional $20 to $50 for that regular special gal.

TheShadow2
07-24-03, 13:29
I think you guys are missing the point. Jayb4512 said (and I quote) "when the girl starts, hand her 200..".
This implies, (to me anyway,) that you have already paid "Mamasan" your entry fee, and the "girl" is getting ready to "start". Ampert, are you saying to hand Mamasan the 200 upon entry before you see the girl? That also would be unacceptable to me...
100 over house fee is an acceptable average all over the state for FS, however at Peking they will not budge for less than 140 plus house fee. (Which is cool, the quality and service guarantees are worth the "extra")
But I will not pay 200 UP FRONT for FS. If they rocked my world, I will tip accordingly afterward. But not beforehand....