Rants, Raves, and Opinions

[Admin]

ok, i'm not always breaking up fights in milwaukee, but it happens enough so i'm giving you guys a fight thread. threads like this have relaxed argumentative rules. you can call a guy a cocksucker if you want. most of the rules are still in effect, no arrest reports, no personally identifying information, no threats of physical violence, n unfounded std reports, and as always no information about **** people.

this name is generic, most of the fight threads have names. cincy has the octagon, jacksonville the woodshed, in boston it's the massholes, if anybody has a suggestion for here throw it out there.

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[ScooterAllCity]

Scooter,

Thank you for taking on the role of Interpreter. Now can you please tell me what this line from the post means:

"She seemed that she thing would have gone somewhat how planned but the thing that finally got me is she is in the bathroom and she says she needs to wipe herself up before we do anything. That was it foe me and I said I don't think his will work.".Sounds like she wanted to take a ghetto bath or shower.A bar of soap and a can of body spray or deodorant. It would help though if you could really understand what others post sometime.

[Mr Old Style]

Sounds like she wanted to take a poor man's shower. A bar of soap and a can of body spray or deodorant. It would help though if you could really understand what others post sometime.I did't understand a thing that he said. Never understood the issue or why he can't or won't identify the provider. Pictures are no help especially when we all know that 80% of them are fake to begin with...

[Lonelyguy128]

Sounds like she wanted to take a ghetto bath or shower.A bar of soap and a can of body spray or deodorant. It would help though if you could really understand what others post sometime.So its not just me?

I do understand being upset when they are late. It sounds like he was already a little grumpy about that. It seems to me a better course of action if you don't want to wait for a provider is to tell her your time is limited and if she doesn't get there by X o'clock you won't be able to see her. Then when she calls an hour late to say she's ready tell her "some other time". That seems a lot better than going thru with the appointment even though you are angry. If you can't control your anger the situation can easily escalate to the level of volatility reported.

I also suspect that many providers carry some sort of protection besides condoms, either pepper spray, a knife or something. Why wouldn't they when they never know when they might run into an angry client.

[ScooterAllCity]

I agree with you there LG. An appointment is an appointment and both parties should honor the meet and greet time. Of course things may come up and then a phone call should be placed to the other party. But this is way to common of a thing to be extremely late for a date. I for one will not wait more than 20 minutes for a provider after our agreed time is not met. I'm fortunate now that I have a few regulars that I see and they know how the program works with me. It seems that CPT.

(Colored People Time) is way of life with way too many working girls now and in the past. And it was black girl who told me the CPT name many years back. And it sure fits.

[Lonelyguy128]

I agree with you there LG. An appointment is an appointment and both parties should honor the meet and greet time. Of course things may come up and then a phone call should be placed to the other party. But this is way to common of a thing to be extremely late for a date. I for one will not wait more than 20 minutes for a provider after our agreed time is not met. I'm fortunate now that I have a few regulars that I see and they know how the program works with me. It seems that CPT.

(Colored People Time) is way of life with way too many working girls now and in the past. And it was black girl who told me the CPT name many years back. And it sure fits.We may be getting off topic for the ripoff forum, but I think if more guys would cancel appointments when providers are late the girls might be forced to change their habits. I know it will never change for the high volume providers. And, it's easier said then done if a guy has popped a viagra for a date or doesn't have a back up plan.

The late for appointment problem is a lot like the fake picture problem. If guys would walk when the girl they meet is totally different than the girl in the pics maybe girls would stop using fake pics.

[LetHerGo]

Sounds like she wanted to take a ghetto bath or shower.A bar of soap and a can of body spray or deodorant. It would help though if you could really understand what others post sometime.Yes you are exactly right like I said I could get into super specific detaila on how it all went down. The whole thing being she forgot her purse on the way there yet she was talking to me on her cellphone when she was already late and dind't get back to me for over an hour. Ahe got there and didn't park where I told her she sais her gf is waiting in the lot for her in a different direction than where she qas walking from. Red flag two I should have told her to introduce me to her friend which ended up being a black pimp parked out front waiting for her. She came in and damanded the money first I said that is not how I do it but I would put the money in front of her where she could see it. Mistake number 3. I had a girl try to run out wirh money along time ago when I did that but I didn't let her so I didn't technically get robbed. Couldn't post her since her CL posting was flagged.

After she saw the money on the table she went pee thencame back out in the livgimg rolm and started spraying all this body spray around her waste and said she didn't have to do that. Went to the bedroom she took off hwr clothes then said she needed a towel to wash herself real quick. Ok remember everyone has there own things. Some may accept that I simply don't. Have your shit clean when getting here. Nasty to me and unacceptable. I then said this isn't going to work and she instantly made beeline for the livig room after getting her clothes back om grabbed the cash and pulled out a taser. That is what happened. I never threatend her let her take it she ran down the back stair well I got imy car to meet her in the back parking lot to see where she was going and some black dude came walking down the street to meet her then he went and got the black Charger or Challenger picked her up and was gone. That is the juice of the story. I got his plate incase I got help here. Hee pics in the posting seem to be her but can't see the face. So that's he story guys. I let my gaurd down and got robbed. I would have offered her $20 for her time not a lot but you don't pull what you pulled. Obviously like someone else stated she has got to come out with money for that pimp. If you know her Guy then well she fucking owes me 150.

[LetHerGo]

I did't understand a thing that he said. Never understood the issue or why he can't or won't identify the provider. Pictures are no help especially when we all know that 80% of them are fake to begin with...Well until you get robbed of money you won't understand an issue. LOL. At some point you will then you will have an issuem. I hold myself to different standards*than some people. Admins posted my posting of her website in BP section look there. And Scooter is %100 right I am not into ghetto showers he seemed to have understood my posting correctly and just fine. If you don't understand something I said ask. Don't be so gruff. I make a lot of spelling mistakes since I usaully so my posting quickly on my phone when I have time. But anybody should be able to piece together the idea very easily.

[ItaloSamoa]

The late for the appointment rule I've broken, even though I hate it when it happens. The fake pics I would only break if the girl turns out to be smokin hot, or admits up front these are not her pics but a representation of her looks and body type.

Either way, it's not a good way to start off a meeting and set the mood for a bad encounter.

Personally I hold the honest girls in much higher regard and am 10 x more likely to see them again based on these impressions.


We may be getting off topic for the ripoff forum, but I think if more guys would cancel appointments when providers are late the girls might be forced to change their habits. I know it will never change for the high volume providers. And, it's easier said then done if a guy has popped a viagra for a date or doesn't have a back up plan.

The late for appointment problem is a lot like the fake picture problem. If guys would walk when the girl they meet is totally different than the girl in the pics maybe girls would stop using fake pics.

[Coochie Eater]

Damn guys, let's stop griping about fake pics. It's a fact of life. Learn to live with it. Wanting girls to stop using fake pics is like wanting summers in Wisconsin to stop being humid, winters to be warm, roads to be pothole free and politicians to be honest. Understand that sometimes (rarely) the girl is as hot or hotter than the fake pic. Hell, a girl could use a pic of herself 10 years and 25 lbs ago: it's not fake, but it's not accurate either. It's easy to deal with:

1. Tell the girl while making the appointment. If the pic is fake and you're not hot, I'm walking.

2. Leave your money (all of it) in the car.

3. If the pic is fake and the girl is hot, get your cash and fuck her.

4. If the pic is fake and you don't care whether she's hot or not, get your cash and fuck her.

5. If the pic is fake and she's not hot, either bargain her down or leave.

6. If the pic is fake and she's ugly as mortal sin or as big as your ex-wife's mother, leave.

This is super simple guys. As I've said before, I've posted ads for girls and used fake pics. I understand why they do it. Both girls I posted for were as hot or hotter than the pics. The last provider I was with used fake pics and guys, there aren't any pics on the net that do this babe justice. Super thin, beautiful black babe with HUGE natural hooters who is a sexual dynamo. Did I give a flying fuck at a rolling donut that her pics were fake?

You be the judge.

Coochie (Don't give a fuck if the pics are fake) Eater.

[Member #4705]

Damn guys, let's stop griping about fake pics. It's a fact of life. Learn to live with it. Wanting girls to stop using fake pics is like wanting summers in Wisconsin to stop being humid, winters to be warm, roads to be pothole free and politicians to be honest. Understand that sometimes (rarely) the girl is as hot or hotter than the fake pic. Hell, a girl could use a pic of herself 10 years and 25 lbs ago: it's not fake, but it's not accurate either. It's easy to deal with:

1. Tell the girl while making the appointment. If the pic is fake and you're not hot, I'm walking.

2. Leave your money (all of it) in the car.

3. If the pic is fake and the girl is hot, get your cash and fuck her.

4. If the pic is fake and you don't care whether she's hot or not, get your cash and fuck her.

5. If the pic is fake and she's not hot, either bargain her down or leave.

6. If the pic is fake and she's ugly as mortal sin or as big as your ex-wife's mother, leave.

This is super simple guys. As I've said before, I've posted ads for girls and used fake pics. I understand why they do it. Both girls I posted for were as hot or hotter than the pics. The last provider I was with used fake pics and guys, there aren't any pics on the net that do this babe justice. Super thin, beautiful black babe with HUGE natural hooters who is a sexual dynamo. Did I give a flying fuck at a rolling donut that her pics were fake?

You be the judge.

Coochie (Don't give a fuck if the pics are fake) Eater.Even though I'm one of the newest Seniors here I agree 100%. I never expect the pics to be real. Some of these providers still have families that could see them, why give LEO extra ammo, they know we guys think with our little heads more often than our big heads and we're more likely to call with hot pics. Very little incentive to use real pics. I've reviewed 4 providers in the last few weeks, only one used 100% real pics and as I indicated with them, they understand camera angles very well and used them to hide enormous guts. I never, ever walk in expecting to find the girl in the images.

I just hope they are closer than my very first BP experience, before I was a member here, in which I arranged an incall with a buxom 23 year old white blonde and a mid twenties AA provider showed up. She was still pretty hot so I let her in and foolishly paid up front only to get a long list of "I don't do that" and ended up paying $.5 for a 15 minute HJ. Live and learn and follow Coochie's lead.

[ScooterAllCity]

Personally I hold the honest girls in much higher regard and am 10 x more likely to see them again based on these impressions.I'm the same way regarding that. It's much easier and probably safer also to be with someone you trust.

[Howard5354]

Even though I'm one of the newest Seniors here I agree 100%. I never expect the pics to be real. Some of these providers still have families that could see them, why give LEO extra ammo, they know we guys think with our little heads more often than our big heads and we're more likely to call with hot pics. Very little incentive to use real pics. I've reviewed 4 providers in the last few weeks, only one used 100% real pics and as I indicated with them, they understand camera angles very well and used them to hide enormous guts. I never, ever walk in expecting to find the girl in the images.

I just hope they are closer than my very first BP experience, before I was a member here, in which I arranged an incall with a buxom 23 year old white blonde and a mid twenties AA provider showed up. She was still pretty hot so I let her in and foolishly paid up front only to get a long list of "I don't do that" and ended up paying $.5 for a 15 minute HJ. Live and learn and follow Coochie's lead.A girl has to be nuts to post her own face pics. Somehow when I was checking a girl out before seeing her I stumbled across her real name and learned that she did time for attempted murder (6 years). Her pics were fake but they were close enough. She was a real sweet girl. She did her time.

[ItaloSamoa]

It's the honor among thieves rule guys and we're ALL taking a risk here to hook up, now aren't we?

SO, this post won't win me many friends here, but it needs to be said.

Of the 2 dozen girls I've dated in just the last 6 months, not one had a fake pic and I could list them all and prove it. Some hid their faces and I have no problem with that as THAT MUCH is completely understandable if they so choose. None had legal troubles any more for their craft than the fakes running specials, ripoffs, scams and more and some probably a lot less because they're both honest and smart.

I'll admit, I'm picky, but I treat women like they deserve to be treated and get rewarded for it with each visit too. I also don't try to haggle with women and tell them they're worth less than they believe they are which in most cases results in a reward with the right women (The honest ones I'm referring to).

To each his own, but I'll walk from a fake that won't admit she's not as publicized and especially any flat out liar. That's the first red flag and the last for me. Maybe if some walked away from the initial red flags, they'd have less bad experiences? I dunno.

The good / best women are rarely cheap to be with, but they're honest, trustworthy and are SO worth the time and effort and when treated well, usually respond in kind. (In difficult situations they respond with complete class as well, but that's another experience and story entirely, Thanks again BDL).

List one higher class woman whom we all know about, who posts fake info and denies it who's had all these imagined problems with the legal system. I can post dozens who have none. WHY can't the perceived lower level women do the same? Is it because they're 50-100 less? Baloney.

The last woman I was with, we'll call her MF, told me as I was kissing her good bye, that any time I call, she'd bump anyone to see me. The rewards outweigh the little benefits you feel you get in haggling or compromising. Not only was she another real and exactly as advertised and more woman, but also full of class and trustworthy.

You guys can certainly all have the same response from women in this hobby if you change your way of thinking about them AND we can all reduce the number of scammers out there.

I don't think I'm special in any way, I just don't treat women with any disrespect and as she and others have expressed to me, that's pretty rare. So I say, a lot of you guys may be missing the opportunity for something better than you imagined things could be in this hobby.

CE, I'm sorry my friend, but what you describe is the rules for "How to deal with scammers".

My rule is simple.

DON'T.


Damn guys, let's stop griping about fake pics. It's a fact of life. Learn to live with it. Wanting girls to stop using fake pics is like wanting summers in Wisconsin to stop being humid, winters to be warm, roads to be pothole free and politicians to be honest. Understand that sometimes (rarely) the girl is as hot or hotter than the fake pic. Hell, a girl could use a pic of herself 10 years and 25 lbs ago: it's not fake, but it's not accurate either. It's easy to deal with:

1. Tell the girl while making the appointment. If the pic is fake and you're not hot, I'm walking.

2. Leave your money (all of it) in the car.

3. If the pic is fake and the girl is hot, get your cash and fuck her.

4. If the pic is fake and you don't care whether she's hot or not, get your cash and fuck her.

5. If the pic is fake and she's not hot, either bargain her down or leave.

6. If the pic is fake and she's ugly as mortal sin or as big as your ex-wife's mother, leave.

This is super simple guys. As I've said before, I've posted ads for girls and used fake pics. I understand why they do it. Both girls I posted for were as hot or hotter than the pics. The last provider I was with used fake pics and guys, there aren't any pics on the net that do this babe justice. Super thin, beautiful black babe with HUGE natural hooters who is a sexual dynamo. Did I give a flying fuck at a rolling donut that her pics were fake?

You be the judge.

Coochie (Don't give a fuck if the pics are fake) Eater.


Even though I'm one of the newest Seniors here I agree 100%. I never expect the pics to be real. Some of these providers still have families that could see them, why give LEO extra ammo, they know we guys think with our little heads more often than our big heads and we're more likely to call with hot pics. Very little incentive to use real pics. I've reviewed 4 providers in the last few weeks, only one used 100% real pics and as I indicated with them, they understand camera angles very well and used them to hide enormous guts. I never, ever walk in expecting to find the girl in the images.

I just hope they are closer than my very first BP experience, before I was a member here, in which I arranged an incall with a buxom 23 year old white blonde and a mid twenties AA provider showed up. She was still pretty hot so I let her in and foolishly paid up front only to get a long list of "I don't do that" and ended up paying $.5 for a 15 minute HJ. Live and learn and follow Coochie's lead.

[ItaloSamoa]

Yeah, but we're not talking "face pics" We're only talking about "fake pics".

I'd love to throw out a bunch of examples here, and we're basically talking "the cream of the crops" of women not using fake pics, or ancient and unrepresentative pics, who have none of the imagined problems being sold here.

They also have less of the risk or baggage.

To each his own.


A girl has to be nuts to post her own face pics. Somehow when I was checking a girl out before seeing her I stumbled across her real name and learned that she did time for attempted murder (6 years). Her pics were fake but they were close enough. She was a real sweet girl. She did her time.

[Star67]

It's the honor among thieves rule guys and we're ALL taking a risk here to hook up, now aren't we?

SO, this post won't win me many friends here, but it needs to be said.

Of the 2 dozen girls I've dated in just the last 6 months, not one had a fake pic and I could list them all and prove it. Some hid their faces and I have no problem with that as THAT MUCH is completely understandable if they so choose. None had legal troubles any more for their craft than the fakes running specials, ripoffs, scams and more and some probably a lot less because they're both honest and smart.

I'll admit, I'm picky, but I treat women like they deserve to be treated and get rewarded for it with each visit too. I also don't try to haggle with women and tell them they're worth less than they believe they are which in most cases results in a reward with the right women (The honest ones I'm referring to).

To each his own, but I'll walk from a fake that won't admit she's not as publicized and especially any flat out liar. That's the first red flag and the last for me. Maybe if some walked away from the initial red flags, they'd have less bad experiences? I dunno.

The good / best women are rarely cheap to be with, but they're honest, trustworthy and are SO worth the time and effort and when treated well, usually respond in kind. (In difficult situations they respond with complete class as well, but that's another experience and story entirely, Thanks again BDL).

List one higher class woman whom we all know about, who posts fake info and denies it who's had all these imagined problems with the legal system. I can post dozens who have none. WHY can't the perceived lower level women do the same? Is it because they're 50-100 less? Baloney.

The last woman I was with, we'll call her MF, told me as I was kissing her good bye, that any time I call, she'd bump anyone to see me. The rewards outweigh the little benefits you feel you get in haggling or compromising. Not only was she another real and exactly as advertised and more woman, but also full of class and trustworthy.

You guys can certainly all have the same response from women in this hobby if you change your way of thinking about them AND we can all reduce the number of scammers out there.

I don't think I'm special in any way, I just don't treat women with any disrespect and as she and others have expressed to me, that's pretty rare. So I say, a lot of you guys may be missing the opportunity for something better than you imagined things could be in this hobby.

CE, I'm sorry my friend, but what you describe is the rules for "How to deal with scammers".

My rule is simple.

DON'T.I think you said it all and are spot on right.

[The Wanderer]

The good / best women are...honest, trustworthy and are SO worth the time and effort...(In difficult situations they respond with complete class as well).

The last woman I was with, we'll call her MF, told me as I was kissing her good bye, that any time I call, she'd bump anyone to see me....full of class and trustworthy.
So, is MF one of the good ones then? Why would I schedule an appointment with someone who you're publicizing as willing to cancel on anyone? That's classy and trustworthy?

[ItaloSamoa]

Definitely one of the good ones. Prioritize not cancel so maybe I should have worded differently and yes, she's very much both classy and trustworthy neither of which has anything to do with her preferences for who she'll see or prefers to see, IMO.


So, is MF one of the good ones then? Why would I schedule an appointment with someone who you're publicizing as willing to cancel on anyone? That's classy and trustworthy?

[BadAz Mofo]

A girl has to be nuts to post her own face pics.I wouldn't say she's nuts necessarily, although some nuts do come to mind, Krazy Karen for one. I think back over the years, at least from my perspective, when a provider posts face pics (or uses their real first name) it's usually do to naivety. And that inexperience leads some well meaning girls to be victimized by mongers with stalker tendencies. I can think of quite a few girls who started off showing face pics, used their real first name or their middle name as a first name and eventually had to stop providing because of stalker issues.

Then there are those who simply just don't care, especially on the low end of the spectrum. BP gals like Marissa and Mandy who live in the same house come to mind.

[MkeMongrel]

I second that. Well said Italo.


I think you said it all and are spot on right.

[MuffLovr]

I have run into a couple of newby BP in calls recently that told me that they were running late, AFTER I WAS ALREADY THERE, so I just HAD to put in my two cents worth here (and then some. Sorry). And in some cases, they said they were already at the in call location when I first called them. In the future, I will do the following, and if more guys would do this or something similar, I'm sure at least a FEW of them reading this would figure out they better be on time or they are going to lose a lot of business, and more importantly, their reputation, gas and time (even tho I KNOW they don't really care one bit in most cases, and of course just change their posting name and get a new number / disposable phone);.

Make your date and ask if they are currently at the location. Tell them they need to stay there, or be on time if they aren't there, or you will leave. Tell them they need to text or call IMMEDIATELY if they have to "leave suddenly" or will be late. If YOU are on time, wait about 5 minutes and call / txt to see what the problem is, but LEAVE. If they say they are almost there, and don't have a legitimate good reason for being late which they can prove, tell them you will wait for them for a little while, while in reality you are driving home with no intention of turning back, other than the little head telling you to. After numerous more texts and calls from them saying they are "on their way", or asking if you are still there, keep telling them that you are there, but you are getting impatient. This makes them REALLY leave their real hotel / house / apt to go to their agreed upon temporary in call location. I believe that they figure if you have waited 20 or more minutes already, you must be REALLY hoping to see them, and will wait a little longer, so it is at THIS point that they ACTUALLY leave to meet you. Then, when they REALLY get there, which is usually like 30 or more minutes late, and they don't see your car, tell them you "JUST" left, and that waiting 30 or more minutes just wasn't in your plans, and that maybe next time they could be on time? Now you have wasted ALMOST as much of their time and gas as they wasted of yours. Plan on being black-listed from that provider most likely, however. But that is probably for the better, since this type of provider doesn't seem to possess that very basic distinction between humans and animals that allow them to learn from past mistakes. They probably would have been late on your second date too. Sorry, but I'm old school and believe that appointments are meant to be kept. Is it any wonder that most doctor offices now charge you if you don't give them 24 hour notice?

BTW, a GOOD reason why they are late would be one that they could prove somehow. If they say they had to take their baby / girlfriend / sister / pimp to the hospital, ask for a copy of some paperwork from the hospital. This will usually get them to hang up on you, since they now know that you have at least a tiny amount of brain matter in your big head, and that you are on to them. Many excuses (and believe me, I've heard them all) would be hard to prove, like they are stuck in traffic. But I've already caught one in a lie by saying they were on I43 in a traffic jam, when the live DOT camera at that location showed traffic was flowing just fine. Thank you, technology! Yeah, I got hung up on.

On a side note, and pardon me if I just haven't located it on this site yet (there is a LOT to read on this site! Does anyone know of a list somewhere on the web of "games that providers / escorts / prostitutes play"? I'd love to see how many I've heard, and add the ones I've heard that aren't listed! That would be an interesting / enjoyable list to see, IMHO. I've been hobbying quite a few years now, and unfortunately have run into more games / excuses than raincoats I've used since I was born! I've googled it, but got 4. 1 miliion hits, mostly of a real book you can buy called "Games Prostitutes Play". But I don't think I've ever read an entire book in my life yet, and I don't plan on starting any time soon. Came close on "50 Shades of Grey", but since I'm not into S&M, I got pretty bored after the first several chapters. VERY long book, as are the two sequels. Looks like it could be a good book though, I have to admit.

[LetHerGo]

I have run into a couple of newby BP in calls recently that told me that they were running late, AFTER I WAS ALREADY THERE, so I just HAD to put in my two cents worth here (and then some. Sorry). And in some cases, they said they were already at the in call location when I first called them. In the future, I will do the following, and if more guys would do this or something similar, I'm sure at least a FEW of them reading this would figure out they better be on time or they are going to lose a lot of business, and more importantly, their reputation, gas and time (even tho I KNOW they don't really care one bit in most cases, and of course just change their posting name and get a new number / disposable phone);.

Make your date and ask if they are currently at the location. Tell them they need to stay there, or be on time if they aren't there, or you will leave. Tell them they need to text or call IMMEDIATELY if they have to "leave suddenly" or will be late. If YOU are on time, wait about 5 minutes and call / txt to see what the problem is, but LEAVE. If they say they are almost there, and don't have a legitimate good reason for being late which they can prove, tell them you will wait for them for a little while, while in reality you are driving home with no intention of turning back, other than the little head telling you to. After numerous more texts and calls from them saying they are "on their way", or asking if you are still there, keep telling them that you are there, but you are getting impatient. This makes them REALLY leave their real hotel / house / apt to go to their agreed upon temporary in call location. I believe that they figure if you have waited 20 or more minutes already, you must be REALLY hoping to see them, and will wait a little longer, so it is at THIS point that they ACTUALLY leave to meet you. Then, when they REALLY get there, which is usually like 30 or more minutes late, and they don't see your car, tell them you "JUST" left, and that waiting 30 or more minutes just wasn't in your plans, and that maybe next time they could be on time? Now you have wasted ALMOST as much of their time and gas as they wasted of yours. Plan on being black-listed from that provider most likely, however. But that is probably for the better, since this type of provider doesn't seem to possess that very basic distinction between humans and animals that allow them to learn from past mistakes. They probably would have been late on your second date too. Sorry, but I'm old school and believe that appointments are meant to be kept. Is it any wonder that most doctor offices now charge you if you don't give them 24 hour notice?

BTW, a GOOD reason why they are late would be one that they could prove somehow. If they say they had to take their baby / girlfriend / sister / pimp to the hospital, ask for a copy of some paperwork from the hospital. This will usually get them to hang up on you, since they now know that you have at least a tiny amount of brain matter in your big head, and that you are on to them. Many excuses (and believe me, I've heard them all) would be hard to prove, like they are stuck in traffic. But I've already caught one in a lie by saying they were on I43 in a traffic jam, when the live DOT camera at that location showed traffic was flowing just fine. Thank you, technology! Yeah, I got hung up on.

On a side note, and pardon me if I just haven't located it on this site yet (there is a LOT to read on this site! Does anyone know of a list somewhere on the web of "games that providers / escorts / prostitutes play"? I'd love to see how many I've heard, and add the ones I've heard that aren't listed! That would be an interesting / enjoyable list to see, IMHO. I've been hobbying quite a few years now, and unfortunately have run into more games / excuses than raincoats I've used since I was born! I've googled it, but got 4. 1 miliion hits, mostly of a real book you can buy called "Games Prostitutes Play". But I don't think I've ever read an entire book in my life yet, and I don't plan on starting any time soon. Came close on "50 Shades of Grey", but since I'm not into S&M, I got pretty bored after the first several chapters. VERY long book, as are the two sequels. Looks like it could be a good book though, I have to admit.Well I am the "asshole" of the lurker world by the sausage on here that want to review me instead of sticking to the topic because I call girls out and call hem what they should rightfully be called. The guys here don't like it and the girls don't like it. They all think I should treat them like delicate flowers. Fact is these girls should get treated just like they do us and when I do I am an asshole. Hahahhah. Don't care because these girls need to be put in check and I "enjoy" doing it. I agree with your rant. Any help needed for a great girl PM me.

[MkePalace]

I have run into a couple of newby BP in calls recently that told me that they were running late, AFTER I WAS ALREADY THERE, so I just HAD to put in my two cents worth here (and then some. Sorry). Wow! Understatement of the YEAR!! Is this 25-page post about any providers in particular?? You made the post long enough, but you didn't mention anyone! Who is this about??

[LookingForLefty]

I have run into a couple of newby BP in calls recently that told me that they were running late, AFTER I WAS ALREADY THERE, so I just HAD to put in my two cents worth here (and then some. Sorry)..What, you mean they might lie? These are women on drugs, rushing back and forth between dealer or pimp. They too might be waiting on their dealer to show up so they can give themselves a shot so they can gut out another session with one of us. Get your self a regular that you can build a rapport with. They don't want you rushing off but they need their fix before they can come see you. Maybe not a good idea to visit unknown BP providers. Let some other guy do that.

[Admin2]

Damn guys, let's stop griping about fake pics. It's a fact of life. Learn to live with it. Wanting girls to stop using fake pics is like wanting summers in Wisconsin to stop being humid, winters to be warm, roads to be pothole free and politicians to be honest. Understand that sometimes (rarely) the girl is as hot or hotter than the fake pic. Hell, a girl could use a pic of herself 10 years and 25 lbs ago: it's not fake, but it's not accurate either...
Coochie (Don't give a fuck if the pics are fake) Eater.Jackson and I are talking about this very thing for our new classified site. I'm of the opinion that we run a chrome search on pics in new ads, and deleting ads that have pics of pop stars. He says, fuck it, it's the guys responsibility to check and we should book the ad and take the money. I'd like to know what you guys think and have posted a poll.

A2

PS, enjoy the new thread, I posted the relaxed rules and some notes about it in the starter post if you want to look.

[JackFlack]

Jackson and I are talking about this very thing for our new classified site. I'm of the opinion that we run a chrome search on pics in new ads, and deleting ads that have pics of pop stars. He says, fuck it, it's the guys responsibility to check and we should book the ad and take the money. I'd like to know what you guys think and have posted a poll.

A2

PS, enjoy the new thread, I posted the relaxed rules and some notes about it in the starter post if you want to look.An image site I use has a small icon next to each posted picture. Clicking the icon opens an image search on that image. If you could add something similar to this new classified site it would make the process easier for those of us who care about image origins and potentially discourage fake picts without anything as draconian as auto-deletion.

[ScooterAllCity]

An image site I use has a small icon next to each posted picture. Clicking the icon opens an image search on that image. If you could add something similar to this new classified site it would make the process easier for those of us who care about image origins and potentially discourage fake picts without anything as draconian as auto-deletion.That sounds like a great site. How does one get this?

[Admin2]

An image site I use has a small icon next to each posted picture. Clicking the icon opens an image search on that image. If you could add something similar to this new classified site it would make the process easier for those of us who care about image origins and potentially discourage fake picts without anything as draconian as auto-deletion.Please could you pass more more info about this site through PM? I'm all about giving you guys tools and letting you make your own choices.

Thanks in advance if you do.

A2

[ItaloSamoa]

If they know their ad will not get posted if the pics used are fake, they'll more likely (though not always) use real ones.

It also gets the message out there that this group is not going to tolerate fakes.

[Lonelyguy128]

ok, i'm not always breaking up fights in milwaukee, but it happens enough so i'm giving you guys a fight thread. threads like this have relaxed argumentative rules. you can call a guy a cocksucker if you want. most of the rules are still in effect, no arrest reports, no personally identifying information, no threats of physical violence, n unfounded std reports, and as always no information about **** people.

this name is generic, most of the fight threads have names. cincy has the octagon, jacksonville the woodshed, in boston it's the massholes, if anybody has a suggestion for here throw it out there.

a2my vote for the title of the fight thread is "wandering douchebags" and here's hoping this is my last post on this thread.

[Admin2]

My vote for the title of the fight thread is "Wandering Douchebags" and here's hoping this is my last post on this thread.But it's not regional. I'm hoping for something Milwaukeeish.

[Oakly]

ok, i'm not always breaking up fights in milwaukee, but it happens enough so i'm giving you guys a fight thread. threads like this have relaxed argumentative rules. you can call a guy a cocksucker if you want. most of the rules are still in effect, no arrest reports, no personally identifying information, no threats of physical violence, n unfounded std reports, and as always no information about **** people.

this name is generic, most of the fight threads have names. cincy has the octagon, jacksonville the woodshed, in boston it's the massholes, if anybody has a suggestion for here throw it out there.

a2***** city as a play on brew city.

[Johnkat111]

***** City as a play on Brew City.I'm fond of Cheese Turds.

[Oakly]

I'm fond of Cheese Turds.Oh we can't use the be word so I'll second Cheese Turds.

[CharlieKane200]

Bruisers. As in Brewers with an extra S.

[ScooterAllCity]

I like JohnKat's Cheese Turds. That sure has a local flavor. I thought of the name Black and Blue might be approbate also. It makes me think of getting beat up and being bruised. And it also ties into the Packers as the division that the Packers play in has been nicknamed the "Black and Blue" division.

[ItaloSamoa]

The Cheddar Bowl.

[Johnkat111]

You walk into a room where half the women have PMS and the other half have yeast infections. Where are you?

Whine and Cheese party.

[Howard5354]

I have run into a couple of newby BP in calls recently that told me that they were running late, AFTER I WAS ALREADY THERE, so I just HAD to put in my two cents worth here (and then some. Sorry). And in some cases, they said they were already at the in call location when I first called them. In the future, I will do the following, and if more guys would do this or something similar, I'm sure at least a FEW of them reading this would figure out they better be on time or they are going to lose a lot of business, and more importantly, their reputation, gas and time (even tho I KNOW they don't really care one bit in most cases, and of course just change their posting name and get a new number / disposable phone);.

Make your date and ask if they are currently at the location. Tell them they need to stay there, or be on time if they aren't there, or you will leave. Tell them they need to text or call IMMEDIATELY if they have to "leave suddenly" or will be late. If YOU are on time, wait about 5 minutes and call / txt to see what the problem is, but LEAVE. If they say they are almost there, and don't have a legitimate good reason for being late which they can prove, tell them you will wait for them for a little while, while in reality you are driving home with no intention of turning back, other than the little head telling you to. After numerous more texts and calls from them saying they are "on their way", or asking if you are still there, keep telling them that you are there, but you are getting impatient. This makes them REALLY leave their real hotel / house / apt to go to their agreed upon temporary in call location. I believe that they figure if you have waited 20 or more minutes already, you must be REALLY hoping to see them, and will wait a little longer, so it is at THIS point that they ACTUALLY leave to meet you. Then, when they REALLY get there, which is usually like 30 or more minutes late, and they don't see your car, tell them you "JUST" left, and that waiting 30 or more minutes just wasn't in your plans, and that maybe next time they could be on time? Now you have wasted ALMOST as much of their time and gas as they wasted of yours. Plan on being black-listed from that provider most likely, however. But that is probably for the better, since this type of provider doesn't seem to possess that very basic distinction between humans and animals that allow them to learn from past mistakes. They probably would have been late on your second date too. Sorry, but I'm old school and believe that appointments are meant to be kept. Is it any wonder that most doctor offices now charge you if you don't give them 24 hour notice?

BTW, a GOOD reason why they are late would be one that they could prove somehow. If they say they had to take their baby / girlfriend / sister / pimp to the hospital, ask for a copy of some paperwork from the hospital. This will usually get them to hang up on you, since they now know that you have at least a tiny amount of brain matter in your big head, and that you are on to them. Many excuses (and believe me, I've heard them all) would be hard to prove, like they are stuck in traffic. But I've already caught one in a lie by saying they were on I43 in a traffic jam, when the live DOT camera at that location showed traffic was flowing just fine. Thank you, technology! Yeah, I got hung up on.

On a side note, and pardon me if I just haven't located it on this site yet (there is a LOT to read on this site! Does anyone know of a list somewhere on the web of "games that providers / escorts / prostitutes play"? I'd love to see how many I've heard, and add the ones I've heard that aren't listed! That would be an interesting / enjoyable list to see, IMHO. I've been hobbying quite a few years now, and unfortunately have run into more games / excuses than raincoats I've used since I was born! I've googled it, but got 4. 1 miliion hits, mostly of a real book you can buy called "Games Prostitutes Play". But I don't think I've ever read an entire book in my life yet, and I don't plan on starting any time soon. Came close on "50 Shades of Grey", but since I'm not into S&M, I got pretty bored after the first several chapters. VERY long book, as are the two sequels. Looks like it could be a good book though, I have to admit.There are hundreds of girls, new girls coming and girls retiring all the time, moving from city to city. Your ideas may be of use with a few place bound regulars. Most girls know that some dudes will do just about anything to get some of the juice.

[MkePalace]

I'm fond of Cheese Turds.I also like Cheese Turds. Or, if you want to keep the name a bit more innocuous, I'd suggest "Brew House".

[Lonelyguy128]

You walk into a room where half the women have PMS and the other half have yeast infections. Where are you?

Whine and Cheese party.I think Whine and Cheese party is perfect.

[JackFlack]

I'm not a big fan of bathroom humor. Maybe something a little more tame?

Brew City Brawl.

[Racine Lurker]

***** City as a play on Brew City.MyStreetWaukees Bash-o-rama.

[ItaloSamoa]

Works for me.


You walk into a room where half the women have PMS and the other half have yeast infections. Where are you?

Whine and Cheese party.

[Lonelyguy128]

I said I did not want to post on this rant board, but here I go again. It's not really a rant, but an opinion for the benefit of my good friend Italosamoa. Italo is a senior whose posts are still delayed for moderation by Admin. I believe the issue when he was a new member was not a problem playing well with others or posting inappropriate things. His problem was that it took him the length of a novel to describe a 1/2 session with a provider. Posts were edited or removed because of their length. Now Italo continues to suffer the indignity of a newbie whose posts are not approved for hours. I say it's time to FREE ITALOSAMOA.

Can we start a petition to Admin to FREE ITALO!

[Msteresc]

I said I did not want to post on this rant board, but here I go again. It's not really a rant, but an opinion for the benefit of my good friend Italosamoa. Italo is a senior whose posts are still delayed for moderation by Admin. I believe the issue when he was a new member was not a problem playing well with others or posting inappropriate things. His problem was that it took him the length of a novel to describe a 1/2 session with a provider. Posts were edited or removed because of their length. Now Italo continues to suffer the indignity of a newbie whose posts are not approved for hours. I say it's time to FREE ITALOSAMOA.

Can we start a petition to Admin to FREE ITALO!I've ulilized a lot of he's information with good results. I'm on his bandwagon.

[Johnkat111]

I said I did not want to post on this rant board, but here I go again. It's not really a rant, but an opinion for the benefit of my good friend Italosamoa. Italo is a senior whose posts are still delayed for moderation by Admin. I believe the issue when he was a new member was not a problem playing well with others or posting inappropriate things. His problem was that it took him the length of a novel to describe a 1/2 session with a provider. Posts were edited or removed because of their length. Now Italo continues to suffer the indignity of a newbie whose posts are not approved for hours. I say it's time to FREE ITALOSAMOA.

Can we start a petition to Admin to FREE ITALO!My reasons for requesting his post delays be eliminated is more practical. This is a guy known to TOFTT which are in short supply on this forum. I would hate to TOFTT with a provider who was either dangerous or just a waste of money only to find that Italo had already reviewed her and his post was waiting authorization.

[Member #4705]

I said I did not want to post on this rant board, but here I go again. It's not really a rant, but an opinion for the benefit of my good friend Italosamoa. Italo is a senior whose posts are still delayed for moderation by Admin. I believe the issue when he was a new member was not a problem playing well with others or posting inappropriate things. His problem was that it took him the length of a novel to describe a 1/2 session with a provider. Posts were edited or removed because of their length. Now Italo continues to suffer the indignity of a newbie whose posts are not approved for hours. I say it's time to FREE ITALOSAMOA.

Can we start a petition to Admin to FREE ITALO!Ditto, I quite agree.

[ItaloSamoa]

LOL. No ellipses here. Thanks guys. Much appreciated!


Ditto, I quite agree.


My reasons for requesting his post delays be eliminated is more practical. This is a guy known to TOFTT which are in short supply on this forum. I would hate to TOFTT with a provider who was either dangerous or just a waste of money only to find that Italo had already reviewed her and his post was waiting authorization.


I've ulilized a lot of he's information with good results. I'm on his bandwagon.


I said I did not want to post on this rant board, but here I go again. It's not really a rant, but an opinion for the benefit of my good friend Italosamoa. Italo is a senior whose posts are still delayed for moderation by Admin. I believe the issue when he was a new member was not a problem playing well with others or posting inappropriate things. His problem was that it took him the length of a novel to describe a 1/2 session with a provider. Posts were edited or removed because of their length. Now Italo continues to suffer the indignity of a newbie whose posts are not approved for hours. I say it's time to FREE ITALOSAMOA.

Can we start a petition to Admin to FREE ITALO!

[Member #6005]

I said I did not want to post on this rant board, but here I go again. It's not really a rant, but an opinion for the benefit of my good friend Italosamoa. Italo is a senior whose posts are still delayed for moderation by Admin. I believe the issue when he was a new member was not a problem playing well with others or posting inappropriate things. His problem was that it took him the length of a novel to describe a 1/2 session with a provider. Posts were edited or removed because of their length. Now Italo continues to suffer the indignity of a newbie whose posts are not approved for hours. I say it's time to FREE ITALOSAMOA.

Can we start a petition to Admin to FREE ITALO!I find it hard to believe he's moderated. He delivers consistently high quality info.

[Johnkat111]

Guys that do outcalls at their own homes are moronic imbeciles. I now know this for a fact because I am a moronic imbecile. I always thought that Daniel Boone would have difficulty finding his way through my subdivision. I also failed to heed the warnings of others who cautioned me to be very careful about who I invited over. What girl would be crazy enough to invite herself over uninvited? Right?

Tonight was my son's birthday. We had a little dinner party consisting of my son, his GF, my ex, me, and my oldest daughter. Just as we finished eating there was a knock on the back door. It was Alyssa wondering why I hadn't called her and did I have any money she could borrow. Fortunately, it appears that she had recruited an unwitting monger to do her dirty work (she doesn't drive) and he moved back to the safety of his car as he sensed the fire in my eyes. I was able to forcibly escort Alyssa back to the car and if my guests noticed what was going on, they pretended not to.

With sincerest apologies I would like to retract a previous post of mine where I recommended Alyssa if you could be the one that hosts. I DO NOT recommend that you invite this lady to your home.

[BigMilwaukee]

So I noticed that this thread was up towards the top of the list and I decided to take advantage of it. I have noticed an overall steady increase in the cost of the girls on Backpage. I don't know about you but I find this increase very disturbing. I don't know about most of you, but I use Backpage, Craigslist, and street walkers as a distraction due to a hectic schedule. It is used to be that the girls were overall less expensive then the standard date. Now it is I am forced to wade dozens of ads filled with fake pictures, incalls in shady areas or downright in the middle of the hood, and and whiny bitches that don't want to provide any quality service let alone any service what so ever. I always get a little grin when I see the picture saying good service is not cheap and cheap service is not good. I grin because I know damn well the girl or the pimp that's posting for the girl is going to provide the farthest from any quality of service. It is getting to the point that probably would spend less time finding a girl to date then waiding through all this shit and finding a decent provider. What is worse is that even the crappiest of provider is demanding a premium price it seems nowadays. I texted one girl and she want 100 for a half hour. This was her first add, she's 35, with a very average looking at best. This is becoming more the norm than the exception. When did the entrypoint for a new provider spike? Who or what is causing the rates of these holes for lack of a better term run up quicker than the rate of inflation? Who is telling these preschool drop outs their pussy is worth it's weight in gold? I understand the elite pricing and will probably never get to partake in a girl from eros but when a hood rat starts requesting simular pricing is there something wrong?

[Farnwburbsguy]

So I noticed that this thread was up towards the top of the list and I decided to take advantage of it. I have noticed an overall steady increase in the cost of the girls on Backpage. I don't know about you but I find this increase very disturbing.Interesting that you mention this. I'm located right on the IL / WI border so when looking for entertainment I browse Milwaukee, Kenosha, Racine, Schaumburg, Elk Grove Village, and Chicago girls. I've found that anything in Wisconsin is really hit or miss in terms of price / quality. Although lately in the Chicagoland area it seems as though service and selection is improving while price is dropping.

[GCeffinahole]

Guys that do outcalls at their own homes are moronic imbeciles. I now know this for a fact because I am a moronic imbecile. I always thought that Daniel Boone would have difficulty finding his way through my subdivision. I also failed to heed the warnings of others who cautioned me to be very careful about who I invited over. What girl would be crazy enough to invite herself over uninvited? Right?

Tonight was my son's birthday. We had a little dinner party consisting of my son, his GF, my ex, me, and my oldest daughter. Just as we finished eating there was a knock on the back door. It was Alyssa wondering why I hadn't called her and did I have any money she could borrow. Fortunately, it appears that she had recruited an unwitting monger to do her dirty work (she doesn't drive) and he moved back to the safety of his car as he sensed the fire in my eyes. I was able to forcibly escort Alyssa back to the car and if my guests noticed what was going on, they pretended not to.

With sincerest apologies I would like to retract a previous post of mine where I recommended Alyssa if you could be the one that hosts. I DO NOT recommend that you invite this lady to your home.At least she went to the back door? Sorry to hear it, Johnkat. I couldn't imagine if one of these ladies showed up at my doorstep.

[JackFlack]

What is worse is that even the crappiest of provider is demanding a premium price it seems nowadays. I texted one girl and she want 100 for a half hour. This was her first add, she's 35, with a very average looking at best. This is becoming more the norm than the exception. When did the entrypoint for a new provider spike? Who or what is causing the rates of these holes for lack of a better term run up quicker than the rate of inflation? Who is telling these preschool drop outs their pussy is worth it's weight in gold?You are thinking of this as a commodity. It's like if all the burger places started raising their prices and a new one on the corner is trying to sell burgers for $10 which look like they should be on the dollar menu some place else. You are on that demand curve from ECON 101. You want the best you can get for the least money.

Think of this from the provider's side. They are contemplating selling themselves to strangers they meet off the internet. How much would you need to do that? There is certainly a minimum price a person would accept and anything less than that wouldn't even be considered. Back to my $10 burger example, maybe for that guy getting up and going into work and making burgers is such a pain that if he can't get $10 each he it's just going to stay home and watch the game on tv. The providers are on the supply curve, and if you remember, there is a quadrant on that chart where the sellers would rather not sell than to take the price offered.

Tldr: It's not necessarily that they think they are worth so much to you but more likely that for less money it's not worth it for them.

[Daprip]

So I noticed that this thread was up towards the top of the list and I decided to take advantage of it. I have noticed an overall steady increase in the cost of the girls on Backpage. I don't know about you but I find this increase very disturbing. I don't know about most of you, but I use Backpage, Craigslist, and street walkers as a distraction due to a hectic schedule. It is used to be that the girls were overall less expensive then the standard date. Now it is I am forced to wade dozens of ads filled with fake pictures, incalls in shady areas or downright in the middle of the hood, and and whiny bitches that don't want to provide any quality service let alone any service what so ever. I always get a little grin when I see the picture saying good service is not cheap and cheap service is not good. I grin because I know damn well the girl or the pimp that's posting for the girl is going to provide the farthest from any quality of service. It is getting to the point that probably would spend less time finding a girl to date then waiding through all this shit and finding a decent provider. What is worse is that even the crappiest of provider is demanding a premium price it seems nowadays. I texted one girl and she want 100 for a half hour. This was her first add, she's 35, with a very average looking at best. This is becoming more the norm than the exception. When did the entrypoint for a new provider spike? Who or what is causing the rates of these holes for lack of a better term run up quicker than the rate of inflation? Who is telling these preschool drop outs their pussy is worth it's weight in gold? I understand the elite pricing and will probably never get to partake in a girl from eros but when a hood rat starts requesting simular pricing is there something wrong?Hi. I just saw your post and I feel it is hard to put a price on the services these ladies provide. First, it is not a regulated market so each one has the right to decide what price to quote. Second and more importantly, it depends on what side you look at it from. What we see is the service we get. What they see is totally different. They see giving a very personal service to someone they have no feelings whatsoever for. They see putting themselves in potentially dangerous situations by seeing strangers they know nothing about in 1-on-1 situations, at times, in that stranger's home. I do not care about the girls that give substandard service or the criminals among them. But for the genuine providers, I feel it is their prerogative to quote whatever they feel they deserve for their service. And it is ours to decide if we feel the service is worth the price we are quoted.

[JackFlack]

(snip) there was a knock on the back door. It was Alyssa wondering why I hadn't called her and did I have any money she could borrow.While your scenario is potentially embarrassing, I'd be more worried about a full blown burglary or home invasion.

[ItaloSamoa]

Sorry to hear this happened to you John. Definitely sounds like a potentially very embarrassing situation.

I know of only a few I'd trust to come to my home. They have to have a lot of class before that happens and show that outside of this hobby they have their shit together. That eliminates many from the equation which is why I just typically, don't do outcall.

Even this girl I really want to see who's only doing out right now, who I know is legit, I can't see, because I won't do outcall.


Guys that do outcalls at their own homes are moronic imbeciles. I now know this for a fact because I am a moronic imbecile. I always thought that Daniel Boone would have difficulty finding his way through my subdivision. I also failed to heed the warnings of others who cautioned me to be very careful about who I invited over. What girl would be crazy enough to invite herself over uninvited? Right?

Tonight was my son's birthday. We had a little dinner party consisting of my son, his GF, my ex, me, and my oldest daughter. Just as we finished eating there was a knock on the back door. It was Alyssa wondering why I hadn't called her and did I have any money she could borrow. Fortunately, it appears that she had recruited an unwitting monger to do her dirty work (she doesn't drive) and he moved back to the safety of his car as he sensed the fire in my eyes. I was able to forcibly escort Alyssa back to the car and if my guests noticed what was going on, they pretended not to.

With sincerest apologies I would like to retract a previous post of mine where I recommended Alyssa if you could be the one that hosts. I DO NOT recommend that you invite this lady to your home.

[CheeseLover]

Guys that do outcalls at their own homes are moronic imbeciles. I now know this for a fact because I am a moronic imbecile. I always thought that Daniel Boone would have difficulty finding his way through my subdivision. I also failed to heed the warnings of others who cautioned me to be very careful about who I invited over. What girl would be crazy enough to invite herself over uninvited? Right?

Tonight was my son's birthday. We had a little dinner party consisting of my son, his GF, my ex, me, and my oldest daughter. Just as we finished eating there was a knock on the back door. It was Alyssa wondering why I hadn't called her and did I have any money she could borrow. Fortunately, it appears that she had recruited an unwitting monger to do her dirty work (she doesn't drive) and he moved back to the safety of his car as he sensed the fire in my eyes. I was able to forcibly escort Alyssa back to the car and if my guests noticed what was going on, they pretended not to.

With sincerest apologies I would like to retract a previous post of mine where I recommended Alyssa if you could be the one that hosts. I DO NOT recommend that you invite this lady to your home.Sounds like an extremely embarrassing situation. Hope there haven't been any long term repurcussion. The bottom line is to stay away.

[Johnkat111]

I don't know if I am geting too old for this hobby or just too dumb. I learned early on that girls love to rifle through my glove compartment. Cosequently, I usually keep tissues and a can of Altoids along with a flashlight, registration, and owner's manual. Today an escort found something else in my glove compartment: a fully operational crack pipe. Not only have I never smoked crack, but I had no idea what a pipe looked like. The girl I was with was delighted and promised to dispose of it for me, but I had visions of a family member finding it or worse, LE asking for my registration and I curiously examining it. At one time I laughed at guys that I thought were too careful. I'm not laughing anymore.

[ItaloSamoa]

I don't know if I am geting too old for this hobby or just too dumb. I learned early on that girls love to rifle through my glove compartment. Cosequently, I usually keep tissues and a can of Altoids along with a flashlight, registration, and owner's manual. Today an escort found something else in my glove compartment: a fully operational crack pipe. Not only have I never smoked crack, but I had no idea what a pipe looked like. The girl I was with was delighted and promised to dispose of it for me, but I had visions of a family member finding it or worse, LE asking for my registration and I curiously examining it. At one time I laughed at guys that I thought were too careful. I'm not laughing anymore.I think I'd lock that from now on if I were you, at the very least.

Your latest couple of experiences tells me you might want to press the reset button and dial it back a tad to a safer level of excitement, maybe?

[ScooterAllCity]

I don't know if I am geting too old for this hobby or just too dumb. I learned early on that girls love to rifle through my glove compartment. Cosequently, I usually keep tissues and a can of Altoids along with a flashlight, registration, and owner's manual. Today an escort found something else in my glove compartment: a fully operational crack pipe. Not only have I never smoked crack, but I had no idea what a pipe looked like. The girl I was with was delighted and promised to dispose of it for me, but I had visions of a family member finding it or worse, LE asking for my registration and I curiously examining it. At one time I laughed at guys that I thought were too careful. I'm not laughing anymore.A few set mouse traps will usually stop that from happening. At one time I had one in the glove box, console and under the seats. But obviously you have to be careful to remember they are there. Makes interesting conversation when one goes off. LOL!!

[Realb41]

I don't know if I am geting too old for this hobby or just too dumb. I learned early on that girls love to rifle through my glove compartment. Cosequently, I usually keep tissues and a can of Altoids along with a flashlight, registration, and owner's manual. Today an escort found something else in my glove compartment: a fully operational crack pipe. Not only have I never smoked crack, but I had no idea what a pipe looked like. The girl I was with was delighted and promised to dispose of it for me, but I had visions of a family member finding it or worse, LE asking for my registration and I curiously examining it. At one time I laughed at guys that I thought were too careful. I'm not laughing anymore.After finding a charm bracelet on the floor, a roach (pot, not the bug) on the seat, a handful of condoms next to the seat, and having a girl spit my load on the car floor I figured it was a sign to stick to in-calls. I still like to cruise and see what's out there and if she was spectacular I might make a scoop but otherwise no. Stories like yours are also why I keep the proof of insurance and registration on the visor and would never consent to a search of my vehicle.

[MilwPussyHound]

After finding a charm bracelet on the floor, a roach (pot, not the bug) on the seat, a handful of condoms next to the seat, and having a girl spit my load on the car floor I figured it was a sign to stick to in-calls. I still like to cruise and see what's out there and if she was spectacular I might make a scoop but otherwise no. Stories like yours are also why I keep the proof of insurance and registration on the visor and would never consent to a search of my vehicle.I would never consent to a search of my vehicle without a warrant, but the guys have this thing called a dog. And whether or not you actually have drugs in your car they will make sure they get to search it. They aren't going to come out with a dog and go oh I guess he didn't hit on anything so we just wasted our time. Never mind the search why don't you just go on your merry way. Are you kidding. They don't care about your time whatsoever. They are going to search your vehicle no matter what. But I still wouldn't consent. I just make sure nothing illegal is in it.

[Member #5121]

I have to chuckle. Back in the day, the whole cover story for "escorts" was that they would accompany a gentleman out on the town for the evening.

I've hit up at least 5-6 of these girls to be my concert and dinner arm-candy in Chicago. Can't find one taker, LOL.

[Sinlover]

I have to chuckle. Back in the day, the whole cover story for "escorts" was that they would accompany a gentleman out on the town for the evening.

I've hit up at least 5-6 of these girls to be my concert and dinner arm-candy in Chicago. Can't find one taker, LOL.Snuggle Buddies in Chicago will be glad to help.

http://chicago.backpage.com/Domination/professional-cuddling-outside-dates-platonic-companionship-30/24169760

http://www.thesnugglebuddies.com

[Member #5121]

Thanks for the heads-up. I didn't even think of the BDSM girls for arm-candy. It actually seems like their kind of thing, to be honest with you. Cool suggestion.


Snuggle Buddies in Chicago will be glad to help.

http://chicago.backpage.com/Domination/professional-cuddling-outside-dates-platonic-companionship-30/24169760

http://www.thesnugglebuddies.com

[MkeMongrel]

So during my recent dry period, I managed to hook up with a decent, established provider who was only doing outcalls at that time. In a moment of weakness, I agreed for an outcall and gave her my address. Then this post came to mind, all kind of alarm bells went off in my head. I called back. She had fortunately not started driving yet and I cancelled the appointment.

It was stupid of me to go down that road. Thank you John for pointing the error of my ways.


Guys that do outcalls at their own homes are moronic imbeciles. I now know this for a fact because I am a moronic imbecile.

[Sky Flyer]

Don't invite them to your home. Don't use a cell that can be traced to you. Don't let the little head do all the thinking.


So during my recent dry period, I managed to hook up with a decent, established provider who was only doing outcalls at that time. In a moment of weakness, I agreed for an outcall and gave her my address. Then this post came to mind, all kind of alarm bells went off in my head. I called back. She had fortunately not started driving yet and I cancelled the appointment.

It was stupid of me to go down that road. Thank you John for pointing the error of my ways.

[LookingForLefty]

So during my recent dry period, I managed to hook up with a decent, established provider who was only doing outcalls at that time. In a moment of weakness, I agreed for an outcall and gave her my address. Then this post came to mind, all kind of alarm bells went off in my head. I called back. She had fortunately not started driving yet and I cancelled the appointment.

It was stupid of me to go down that road. Thank you John for pointing the error of my ways.No one comes over unless they have been well reviewed. Some has been over so many times they just make themselves right at home. Never had anything of value stolen. But I do keep some "pills" in the medicine chest. Just tylanol labeled something stronger. Sometimes those will go missing. Its just a prop to test honesty.

I've picked up strays off the street and kept them as pets from time to time. Probably had 25 that have been over 10 or more times. Really try to not let druggies come over. Mature neighbors, trusted providers, outcall massage, a few welfare moms, crippled girl, seeking arrangement girl, some UTRs. Usually not the criminal types.

[OldBear]

CBJ -- Isn't that more like using oatmeal to improve the taste of oatmeal.

Doing business with an agency or manager -- That's just putting gas in another guy's tank.

Carry on.

[Member #5994]

So, my trusty tracfone took a crap and I'm considering using Google voice instead. I'm looking for your opinions on the pros and cons or better options for a new hobby phone.

[WizardOfAahs]

I'd feel safer with a burner than google voice for the mongering number.

While gVoice is nice and convenient to swap from phone to phone to laptop to desktop and back, it is a lot easier to piece together how all of these devices are tied to one person.


So, my trusty tracfone took a crap and I'm considering using Google voice instead. I'm looking for your opinions on the pros and cons or better options for a new hobby phone.

[Miker1983]

So, my trusty tracfone took a crap and I'm considering using Google voice instead. I'm looking for your opinions on the pros and cons or better options for a new hobby phone.I bought mine on eBay. Started with an LG Quantum Windows Phone (slider phone with a touch screen) - made sure it was an unlocked AT&T GSM (SIM card) phone. You can search the web, make calls and texts easily. Paired this with an H2 O SIM card (also bought on eBay, you can get them as cheap as $1-$2 shipped) with the cheapest pay as you go plan - $10 and it's $. 05/ min for talk time, $. 05 / text, $. 10 per mb of data and it's good for 90 days. After every text or call they tell you how much is left in your bank. When it gets low it's easy to load online. I filled it 4 times in the past year and had time that wasn't used. You can also just buy $100 worth of time and that's good for an entire year. Same rates, that's 2,000 hours of talk!

There are other providers but H2 O worked well for me. Good thing with the SIM card is if you ever think you've been compromised you can literally change your # in a matter of minutes without leaving your home. I actually bought a lot of 25 of the H2 O sim cards on ebay for $5 shipped.

[West16]

I bought mine on eBay. Started with an LG Quantum Windows Phone (slider phone with a touch screen) - made sure it was an unlocked AT&T GSM (SIM card) phone. You can search the web, make calls and texts easily. Paired this with an H2 O SIM card (also bought on eBay, you can get them as cheap as $1-$2 shipped) with the cheapest pay as you go plan - $10 and it's $. 05/ min for talk time, $. 05 / text, $. 10 per mb of data and it's good for 90 days. After every text or call they tell you how much is left in your bank. When it gets low it's easy to load online. I filled it 4 times in the past year and had time that wasn't used. You can also just buy $100 worth of time and that's good for an entire year. Same rates, that's 2,000 hours of talk!

There are other providers but H2 O worked well for me. Good thing with the SIM card is if you ever think you've been compromised you can literally change your # in a matter of minutes without leaving your home. I actually bought a lot of 25 of the H2 O sim cards on ebay for $5 shipped.This link is from Madison, but if you ever had any doubt about the value of using a burner phone see the number of contacts she says she had.

Avail NOW in Madison! (608) 669-5301.

Beautiful blue-eyed blonde Mature (40's), 5'7 (long legs! 115 Lbs. Athletic build, tan, 36 D-24-32,(huge boobs!

Love to Kiss & Cuddle!!

Unbeatable Rates! Call (608) 669-5301 for details .

Just an FYI, today I lost (via us cell) all 500 plus contacts!! So please get in touch as I can't get a hold of you!! Thanks!!

NO Blocked Calls! NO Text'! NO E mail!

Thanks!

Xoxo .

Roxy (608) 669-5301.

Poster's age: 40.

[Coochie Eater]

This link is from Madison, but if you ever had any doubt about the value of using a burner phone see the number of contacts she says she had.

Avail NOW in Madison! (608) 669-5301.

Beautiful blue-eyed blonde Mature (40's), 5'7 (long legs! 115 Lbs. Athletic build, tan, 36 D-24-32,(huge boobs!

Love to Kiss & Cuddle!!

Unbeatable Rates! Call (608) 669-5301 for details .

Just an FYI, today I lost (via us cell) all 500 plus contacts!! So please get in touch as I can't get a hold of you!! Thanks!!

NO Blocked Calls! NO Text'! NO E mail!

Thanks!

Xoxo .

Roxy (608) 669-5301.

Poster's age: 40.Roxy's 40? Yeah, maybe 25 years ago! She's all of 60, and then some. No truth in advertising there.

Coochie (I'm fucking 18! Eater.

God Bless You All.

[Member #5994]

I went with the basic tracfone again. On sale at target for $3. 99 and it doubles whatever minutes you buy for the life of the phone.

[BadGr54]

I went with the basic tracfone again. On sale at target for $3. 99 and it doubles whatever minutes you buy for the life of the phone.Thanks for that info. Sounds like the way to go. Does it allow you to text also? Some of the girls prefer text for whatever strange reason. I don't know why.

[Outfishing]

Thanks for that info. Sounds like the way to go. Does it allow you to text also? Some of the girls prefer text for whatever strange reason. I don't know why.The Tracfones are great. Yes you can text with them. The texting is slow unless you have a smart phone.

[Member #5994]

Thanks for that info. Sounds like the way to go. Does it allow you to text also? Some of the girls prefer text for whatever strange reason. I don't know why.The texting is quite slow, but since its only a hobby phone, its tolerable. Battery life on these cheaper, basic phones is phenominal, compared to a smart phone. A full charge lasts weeks.

[CheeseLover]

The texting is quite slow, but since its only a hobby phone, its tolerable. Battery life on these cheaper, basic phones is phenominal, compared to a smart phone. A full charge lasts weeks.Having a separate hobby phone would be ideal. However, how many people would be able to carry two phones & have a good explaination for carrying two separates phone. Google voice helps you disguise your second number in the same smartphone. You can always turn on "do not disturb" & control the flow of your calls. You can log out & forget about it. You can block someone, text and call. I guess everyone has to figure out what's right for them after looking at options available.

[Member #4705]

Having a separate hobby phone would be ideal. However, how many people would be able to carry two phones & have a good explaination for carrying two separates phone. Google voice helps you disguise your second number in the same smartphone. You can always turn on "do not disturb" & control the flow of your calls. You can log out & forget about it. You can block someone, text and call. I guess everyone has to figure out what's right for them after looking at options available.Burner phones are likely the way to go. Why do you have 2 phones? One is personal, one is work. Some of the ads specifically say no Google Voice. Another option if you don't want to go with two phones is an App like Pinger (free) which gives you a phone number of your own, free texting, and very cheap minutes with the option to watch very short ad videos to earn free minutes. No idea how traceable it is though if the phone number falls into the hands of LEO.

[OldBear]

Having a separate hobby phone would be ideal. However, how many people would be able to carry two phones & have a good explaination for carrying two separates phone. Google voice helps you disguise your second number in the same smartphone. You can always turn on "do not disturb" & control the flow of your calls. You can log out & forget about it. You can block someone, text and call. I guess everyone has to figure out what's right for them after looking at options available.I guess that depends on how reliable your primary cell provider's service is. I find that my backup phone often works where my primary one doesn't. Plus, I needed to have something when my phone was in the shop for repairs. Sometimes an innocent explanation can be truthful, too.

[X Factor414]

I guess that depends on how reliable your primary cell provider's service is. I find that my backup phone often works where my primary one doesn't. Plus, I needed to have something when my phone was in the shop for repairs. Sometimes an innocent explanation can be truthful, too.If you have a smartphone then use google voice, textnow, and / or textfree.

I've never once had my cell phone in the shop in 15+ yrs.

[FerrariForMe]

If you have a smartphone then use google voice, textnow, and / or textfree.

I've never once had my cell phone in the shop in 15+ yrs.Google voice has to be linked with a Google account. Also you have to link it with a phone so it knows where to ring. Too traceable for me. Trac phone is the way to go in my opinion.

[Amplover69]

If you're married forget about GV. You do not want your hobby calls going to your real phone ever if you're married. I'm single so that's not a problem. But I do understand having two phones can be suspicious. Depending on what you do having a phone "for business" may not be plausible. Plus who the hell has a tracphone for business LOL. I just get a burner, seems like the best option.

[Sinlover]

Just spend the few bucks for a burner phone. If you have a SO just hide it and only turn it on when appropriate. Unless you get a smartphone, and why would you need that for a monger phone, Tracfones tend to be quite small. I believe most of them have the ability to use a PIN code to keep prying eyes out if it is discovered.

If a provider you recently saw ends up assaulted, OD'd, or worse, the cops will go through her phone to see who she has been in contact with. A Google voice account is easily traced back to you, don't for a minute think Google won't turn it over.

[X Factor414]

Just spend the few bucks for a burner phone. If you have a SO just hide it and only turn it on when appropriate. Unless you get a smartphone, and why would you need that for a monger phone, Tracfones tend to be quite small. I believe most of them have the ability to use a PIN code to keep prying eyes out if it is discovered.

If a provider you recently saw ends up assaulted, OD'd, or worse, the cops will go through her phone to see who she has been in contact with. A Google voice account is easily traced back to you, don't for a minute think Google won't turn it over.Good to be cautious in this hobby but I'm just not that paranoid. I figure the chances of a detective going through a provider's phone and trying to trace a Google number back to me is pretty slim. I don't use that gmail account for anything anyway. All the info I supplied when setting that up is fake. And by the off chance LE finds me through gmail, there's no chance they can link me to a provider being assaulted or OD (assuming I wasn't involved). That's just way too much work for our men in blue around here.

I guess to each their own, whichever route is most comfortable for you.

Be safe.

PS: what's a burner phone? Isn't a tracphone a burner phone?

[Johnkat111]

Good to be cautious in this hobby but I'm just not that paranoid. I figure the chances of a detective going through a provider's phone and trying to trace a Google number back to me is pretty slim. I guess to each their own, whichever route is most comfortable for you.
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I am not a fan of the burner phone either. I think Stefani called me at least twice a day for the two months she was in business before she got busted. I was really worried after her bust because, not only was my number on her phone frequently, but being a real estate agent, googling my number would have revealed absolutely everything about me. I even heard that LE had confiscated her phone yet I have heard nothing from her or LE since the bust.

On the other hand, I would like to rant and rave against mongers who are stupid enough to use the same computer for mongering that their SO uses, thinking they can cover up everything. If LonelyGuy was still around, he could tell you about the time his SO was showing some friends pictures of their vacation when up popped a nude picture of Angela / Brittany. I've had two friends busted by their SO's during the past year. Nobody on this forum is smart enough to prevent weird crap from happening on their computer. All of you with one computer and one SO, skip a couple of provider appointments and invest in a laptop. PLEZ!

[ItaloSamoa]

OUCH! That had to hurt. And I totally agree.


If LonelyGuy was still around, he could tell you about the time his SO was showing some friends pictures of their vacation when up popped a nude picture of Angela / Brittany. I've had two friends busted by their SO's during the past year. Nobody on this forum is smart enough to prevent weird crap from happening on their computer. All of you with one computer and one SO, skip a couple of provider appointments and invest in a laptop. PLEZ!

[Jackel000]

Google voice has to be linked with a Google account. Also you have to link it with a phone so it knows where to ring. Too traceable for me. Trac phone is the way to go in my opinion.You can just delete the phone out of the google voice settings. Then you can forward it to any phone you want, block people, etc.

You can just use google voice for voicemail.
Hopefully you are not killing people so I wouldn't worry about being THAT traceable.
Also there are some cheap smartphones that you can get at walmart and you can get on some cheap plans. You do not need a smartphone for googlevoice, BTW.
it's all personal preference though. with a smart phone you can wipe all your phone settings in a number of ways pretty quickly.
you can also make calls using your google voice number instead of your phone's number

there's no way providers can know you are using google voice unless you dont change your greeting.

[OldBear]

What is the cost of a burner phone?

What are the benefits of having one?

What are the risks of not having one?

Go buy one. Case closed.

[Outfishing]

What is the cost of a burner phone?

What are the benefits of having one?

What are the risks of not having one?

Go buy one. Case closed.Just go to Walmart. For $30 you can get a Tracfone and a 60 minute phone card which gets doubled to 120 minutes when activated. You will also be able to text. Such a deal.

[JackFlack]

What is the cost of a burner phone?

What are the benefits of having one?

What are the risks of not having one?

Go buy one. Case closed.There are two scenarios here. Protection from uncle LEO and protection from your SO.

To really be safe from your uncle you need to only use a burner phone to call other burner phones and you need to replace it every few weeks, buy them only with cash and never from the same store twice and never call the same numbers from the new burner phone that you did from the old one. Uncle LEO has access to data analysis tools which were designed specifically to track burner phone users across phone changes. Also, never power on your burner anywhere close to any location associated with you and never have your regular phone and your burner phone powered on at the same time in the same place. This all ends up being expensive and a huge pain in the ass. Doing less than this works fine because your uncle really isn't looking for you too hard but that being a given, why bother with any of it?

As far as the wife or gf goes, burner phones have pros and cons which basically cancel each other out. First off, unless your gf is in a coma she already knows something is going on. It all comes down to whether she cares or not. If she doesn't care you are probably better off just having a talk with her and getting permission to pursue your hobby. It would save everyone a lot of trouble. If she does care, she is going to be looking for evidence. Having a second phone by itself may be enough to put her over the tripping point. Having separation is nice but having everything in one place is nice too. Having to sneak a second phone around and keep it charged and full of minutes is a huge pain too.

Burner phones offer the illusion of security but may in fact become an additional risk factor.

[Shzitzx]

There are two scenarios here. Protection from uncle LEO and protection from your SO.

To really be safe from your uncle you need to only use a burner phone to call other burner phones and you need to replace it every few weeks, buy them only with cash and never from the same store twice and never call the same numbers from the new burner phone that you did from the old one. Uncle LEO has access to data analysis tools which were designed specifically to track burner phone users across phone changes. Also, never power on your burner anywhere close to any location associated with you and never have your regular phone and your burner phone powered on at the same time in the same place. This all ends up being expensive and a huge pain in the ass. Doing less than this works fine because your uncle really isn't looking for you too hard but that being a given, why bother with any of it?

As far as the wife or gf goes, burner phones have pros and cons which basically cancel each other out. First off, unless your gf is in a coma she already knows something is going on. It all comes down to whether she cares or not. If she doesn't care you are probably better off just having a talk with her and getting permission to pursue your hobby. It would save everyone a lot of trouble. If she does care, she is going to be looking for evidence. Having a second phone by itself may be enough to put her over the tripping point. Having separation is nice but having everything in one place is nice too. Having to sneak a second phone around and keep it charged and full of minutes is a huge pain too.

Burner phones offer the illusion of security but may in fact become an additional risk factor.Guess I've been F'in up for a long time. When I'm on the prowl, both phones are on. Had the same burner for years. Burner on at home and work while prowling. Have had no trouble with LEO, but I can see where it could come back to me with this info. I have often wondered if one of these girls had OD'ed after getting the cash or been beaten by the next guy, if LEO would try to find me as a witness or something. Also, if your SO finds your burner, and puts her sim card in it, (I keep my phone, sim, and battery hidden in different places) It will show her the #'s you have stored on your phone.

[BadGr54]

There are two scenarios here. Protection from uncle LEO and protection from your SO.

To really be safe from your uncle you need to only use a burner phone to call other burner phones and you need to replace it every few weeks, buy them only with cash and never from the same store twice and never call the same numbers from the new burner phone that you did from the old one. Uncle LEO has access to data analysis tools which were designed specifically to track burner phone users across phone changes. Also, never power on your burner anywhere close to any location associated with you and never have your regular phone and your burner phone powered on at the same time in the same place. This all ends up being expensive and a huge pain in the ass. Doing less than this works fine because your uncle really isn't looking for you too hard but that being a given, why bother with any of it?

As far as the wife or gf goes, burner phones have pros and cons which basically cancel each other out. First off, unless your gf is in a coma she already knows something is going on. It all comes down to whether she cares or not. If she doesn't care you are probably better off just having a talk with her and getting permission to pursue your hobby. It would save everyone a lot of trouble. If she does care, she is going to be looking for evidence. Having a second phone by itself may be enough to put her over the tripping point. Having separation is nice but having everything in one place is nice too. Having to sneak a second phone around and keep it charged and full of minutes is a huge pain too.

Burner phones offer the illusion of security but may in fact become an additional risk factor.Wow, Alot of well thought out & informed points you made here.

The one I would have to STRONGLY disagree with is having that little chat with the wifey or girlfriend. Me thinks that could end in disaster or at the very least with much drama. If I want that much excitement & drama I could just go stroll the north loop on foot at midnight. (might be safer).

Everyone's situation is different and that could work out well for a few, but my guess is that a vast majority of mongers would rue the day that they decided it would be a good idea to squeal on themselves.

[Whistles]

Guess I've been F'in up for a long time. When I'm on the prowl, both phones are on. Had the same burner for years. Burner on at home and work while prowling. Have had no trouble with LEO, but I can see where it could come back to me with this info. I have often wondered if one of these girls had OD'ed after getting the cash or been beaten by the next guy, if LEO would try to find me as a witness or something. Also, if your SO finds your burner, and puts her sim card in it, (I keep my phone, sim, and battery hidden in different places) It will show her the #'s you have stored on your phone.I think JackFlack made some points but they are a little overstated. Maybe data analysis tools could find two phones that were ALWAYS powered on in the same cell, but as long as you occasionally have one on without the other you should be fine. You certainly should do absolutely no monger calling on your regular phone and call nobody you know outside the hobby from the monger phone. Personally the numbers I call on the burner change so much that by the time I need a new burner it would be difficult for data analysis to figure out the new burner has the same user as the old. Presumably your burner has a passcode or other lock, too, right, so your SO can't browse it if found? On the other hand, NEVER let it be found. If you don't have a really safe place, JackFlack is right, don't even get one.

[ItaloSamoa]

Sounds like Circumstantial evidence, which is worth squat in a court of law. You don't have any idea why there's a phone associated with you now, do you?

[VitaObscura]

Good to be cautious in this hobby but I'm just not that paranoid. I figure the chances of a detective going through a provider's phone and trying to trace a Google number back to me is pretty slim. I guess to each their own, whichever route is most comfortable for you.
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I am not a fan of the burner phone either. I think Stefani called me at least twice a day for the two months she was in business before she got busted. I was really worried after her bust because, not only was my number on her phone frequently, but being a real estate agent, googling my number would have revealed absolutely everything about me. I even heard that LE had confiscated her phone yet I have heard nothing from her or LE since the bust.

On the other hand, I would like to rant and rave against mongers who are stupid enough to use the same computer for mongering that their SO uses, thinking they can cover up everything. If LonelyGuy was still around, he could tell you about the time his SO was showing some friends pictures of their vacation when up popped a nude picture of Angela / Brittany. I've had two friends busted by their SO's during the past year. Nobody on this forum is smart enough to prevent weird crap from happening on their computer. All of you with one computer and one SO, skip a couple of provider appointments and invest in a laptop. PLEZ!Not that I'm an expert but if you're going to use any computer at least try this tip: go to file and new private window. It doesn't protect everything you do on the computer, but at the very least it won't remember the history or any "autosave" file in the blank. For instance, if you search for "hairy beaver" or "hot whatever" it won't show up in any of your autofill areas. You don't need anyone at work over your shoulder seeing erotic anything, an uncomfortable position to be in. I am paranoid, that's why I do what I can to try to cover my tracks.

P.S. I like firefox not chrome. Chrome = Google = eyes.

[WizardOfAahs]

Many good points have been brought up in this thread on the perceived security of using either burners (eg TracPhone) and Virtual Phone Numbers (eg Google Voice).

For the truly paranoid, some things to consider:

Obfuscation is the key to minimizing your digital footprints. Small quantities of dispersed data are hard to connect to one another.

All phones have a unique identifier, some are ESNs (sprint, verizon, us cell) and others are IMEI (all GSM phones, ATT, TMobile).

It doesn't matter if you are using the real number or your GV number. Once it is turned on the physical phones serial number is logged.

- The SIM cards used in GSM phones have serial numbers themselves also.

- Swapping a SIM into another phone ties the records between the 2 devices together. Kind of like the unprotected sex with someone exposes you to everyone they have been exposed to.

- SIM cards can be hacked, the government has malware specifically for them.

- The govt also has viruses for most smart phones.

- The govt does have Stingers in Milwaukee; often tied into the spot-shotter system as well as the cop-in-a-box surveilance cameras. They can I'd all phones in a covered area.

Slapping your GV number onto a phone now ties another piece of identification into the mix.

Other toys the govt likes to play with are mostly based on SilentSMS messages. SilentSMS is how CallerID or VoiceMail messages are sent to the phone. It also can be used to "ping" a phone to get geolocation. Other SMS message classes can write data to the SIM cards; that's how they can plant malware.

So. The end result is to keep it simple. Get a tracphone or some other pay as you go device that isn't using ATT or TMobile networks. The more data you spread around the more they can analyze. Only turn the phone on when you need it. Not all phones are truly off unless the battery is out.

Next we can wrap it in tinfoil.

[RndmFF]

Lord! If you guys spent more time USING your p2 p phones instead of bragging which is better, there could be some very good reports being made! Haha. Something so miniscule creating such an ongoing discussion.

[FlintStone69]

Lord! If you guys spent more time USING your p2 p phones instead of bragging which is better, there could be some very good reports being made! Haha. Something so miniscule creating such an ongoing discussion.Sounds like a lot of people are very paranoid about getting caught or maybe they just have a lot to lose if they do get caught. Personally I like a little risk as it just adds to the excitement of the naughty adventures we are all seeking.

[JackFlack]

Wow, Alot of well thought out & informed points you made here.

The one I would have to STRONGLY disagree with is having that little chat with the wifey or girlfriend. Me thinks that could end in disaster or at the very least with much drama. If I want that much excitement & drama I could just go stroll the north loop on foot at midnight. (might be safer).

Everyone's situation is different and that could work out well for a few, but my guess is that a vast majority of mongers would rue the day that they decided it would be a good idea to squeal on themselves.I have managed it with my previous relationship and my current one. The trick is to move to an open relationship first. Then, the next most logical step is to propose simply paying for your action instead of spending so much time out romancing. It's all win win.

[JackFlack]

Sounds like Circumstantial evidence, which is worth squat in a court of law. You don't have any idea why there's a phone associated with you now, do you?That is kind of my point. To truly be safe with the burner is an almost impossible amount of effort. So, given that none of us are being truly safe with our burners, how much more risky (from the LEO standpoint) is not even using one at all? Say you have Pussy Galore's phone number on your phone and you call her once in a while. That by itself doesn't prove anything. But having the number on your regular phone would appear way more innocent than having the number on the secret phone you keep hidden under your spare tire that you only have turned on while you are driving back and forth on streets in bad neighborhoods.

[OldBear]

That is kind of my point. To truly be safe with the burner is an almost impossible amount of effort. So, given that none of us are being truly safe with our burners, how much more risky (from the LEO standpoint) is not even using one at all? Say you have Pussy Galore's phone number on your phone and you call her once in a while. That by itself doesn't prove anything. But having the number on your regular phone would appear way more innocent than having the number on the secret phone you keep hidden under your spare tire that you only have turned on while you are driving back and forth on streets in bad neighborhoods.People have gone to prison on circumstantial evidence so that free legal advice is worth how much it cost.

Having said that, an auxiliary phone is a worthwhile investment although, as demonstrated here, there can be some dissent as to how valuable. Certainly wouldn't use one at home, buy with a credit card (or add minutes with a credit card) and shut it off when not being used.

[Member #6005]

I used to use a burner phone. Now I use GV. When I had the burner phone, I kept it at the gym. This has the unexpected consequence of metering my dreams. If I couldn't call, the dreaming would only go so far. Unfortunately, the gym wasn't a 24 hour place, so I couldn't always return it to its hiding place before returning home after a dream. So I'd have a backup hiding place. But it always felt like a hot potato. I'd eventually throw it away--they're so cheap! And went through probably half a dozen in 2 years. Now that I have GV, that's a small cost savings. And I can hide it in plain sight, which has the unexpected negative consequence of enabling me to dream all the time (which I can't afford, who can?). Also, you have to remember to erase the outgoing / incoming call history (since that's not sequestered in GV, but ends up piggybacking on your normal call history).

It's all tradeoffs. You have to remember to reason based not on some perfect facts, but the crazy brain you have.

[RolandDeschain]

We all have our reasons for wanting to keep our activity a secret. Whether its to keep it from LEO, SO, etc. We all have concerns about our personal safety and security in this game. I still use the same burner I've had for 1. 5 years. I still have minutes on it so I use it. My main concern is to keep my activity away from prying eyes. I don't partake as often as I would like to but my luck has held out so far. Let's face it, in this game the only way to be completely safe is to not play it.

My burner is kept in my workshop in a cabinet where I can keep it charged and ready for when I need it.

Be safe, guys.

Roland.

[Sinlover]

That is kind of my point. To truly be safe with the burner is an almost impossible amount of effort. So, given that none of us are being truly safe with our burners, how much more risky (from the LEO standpoint) is not even using one at all? Say you have Pussy Galore's phone number on your phone and you call her once in a while. That by itself doesn't prove anything. But having the number on your regular phone would appear way more innocent than having the number on the secret phone you keep hidden under your spare tire that you only have turned on while you are driving back and forth on streets in bad neighborhoods.Not to beat a dead horse, but Rants & Raves is the forum where it should be practiced. Having a burner phone will keep the cops from showing up at your home or office asking questions if something happens to a provider you recently contacted. If your regular number is in her phone and you've contacted her recently, especially more than once, the police will pay a visit. How hard is it to hide a small phone? Does your SO rummage through your car, toolbox, or laptop bag? Yes, it can be a pain, but think how painful a visit from a detective will be. Activate the PIN number and if she finds it just say one of your coworkers must have dropped it in your car and he'll be glad she found it. I'm not worried about changing phones every few months, LE can track me if they really want to, I just want to keep some anonymity in case something goes sideways.

[BadGr54]

but think how painful a visit from a detective will be. That's for sure!! A visit from LEO would be infinitely worse than having your wife or gf find the extra phone. That's easy to BS your way out of.

I think the point that others have made though is that it would be even worse yet if a burner phone was traced back to you by LEO. I'm not up on the technology like some of the others but I would think that if you kept the burner phone well hidden with battery removed except when you are using it then you would be relatively safe.

[Sinlover]

That's for sure!! A visit from LEO would be infinitely worse than having your wife or gf find the extra phone. That's easy to BS your way out of.

I think the point that others have made though is that it would be even worse yet if a burner phone was traced back to you by LEO. I'm not up on the technology like some of the others but I would think that if you kept the burner phone well hidden with battery removed except when you are using it then you would be relatively safe.If LE is tracking your phone you are up to something much worse than visiting providers. My point is a burner phone just keeps you separate from the provider if something bad happens. But if you have Google Voice it will bring a visit from the boys in blue. LE is not going to track cellphones simply to catch mongers.

[Member #6005]

If LE is tracking your phone you are up to something much worse than visiting providers. My point is a burner phone just keeps you separate from the provider if something bad happens. But if you have Google Voice it will bring a visit from the boys in blue. LE is not going to track cellphones simply to catch mongers.But they may track burners to catch a potential murderer.

[ScooterAllCity]

But they may track burners to catch a potential murderer.I'm sure they would.

[Jackel000]

If LE is tracking your phone you are up to something much worse than visiting providers. My point is a burner phone just keeps you separate from the provider if something bad happens. But if you have Google Voice it will bring a visit from the boys in blue. LE is not going to track cellphones simply to catch mongers.Yeah, I agree that burner phones are a good idea, but I don't agree that using google voice (or other providers like google voice) is a bad idea and it will have police showing up at your door.

[Sinlover]

Yeah, I agree that burner phones are a good idea, but I don't agree that using google voice (or other providers like google voice) is a bad idea and it will have police showing up at your door.Google Voice is tied to your phone number. All the police need is a subpoena for the personal info tied to a Gmail account, which in turn is attached to the Google Voice account. If they want to go directly to the Google Voice account they need a warrant, which they will easily get if they are investigating a major crime. Will LE go to these lengths if they simply bust a working girl? Probably not, but for a more serious offense? Absolutely.

GV is fine to keep your personal number from a provider, but for anything more than that it will merely take LE a few more minutes to track you down to ask why your number is in the phone of the girl they found OD'd, assaulted, or worse.

[Permanent Wood]

I've received text messages from Google Voice users where their Google Voice number showed up on my phone as intended. And then they CALLED me moments later and WHALA, got their real phone number showing up on my phone.

[JackFlack]

I've received text messages from Google Voice users where their Google Voice number showed up on my phone as intended. And then they CALLED me moments later and WHALA, got their real phone number showing up on my phone.I don't use GV so I may be wrong about all of this, but a friend of mine does and was showing me how it works. It seems best for letting you give out a number which is only loosely / temporarily connected to your real number. Texting was easy as long as you always reply to a text they sent first. Calling out from a cell phone seemed a little more problematic where you could do it wrong and make the call on your phone and not through GV. As I recall, two numbers showed up, the GV passthrough number and the caller's number. If you select the person's number and not the passthrough number the call would bet made directly revealing your number to the called party.

GV does seem effective for keeping your contact information private in many scenarios but you need to understand how it works and be careful to use it correctly.

[CheeseLover]

I don't use GV so I may be wrong about all of this, but a friend of mine does and was showing me how it works. It seems best for letting you give out a number which is only loosely / temporarily connected to your real number. Texting was easy as long as you always reply to a text they sent first. Calling out from a cell phone seemed a little more problematic where you could do it wrong and make the call on your phone and not through GV. As I recall, two numbers showed up, the GV passthrough number and the caller's number. If you select the person's number and not the passthrough number the call would bet made directly revealing your number to the called party.

GV does seem effective for keeping your contact information private in many scenarios but you need to understand how it works and be careful to use it correctly.I think there's a chance of getting in to trouble if you don't customize the settings. Turn on Do Not Disturb (that way you receive a call only when you want to). Turn off the option where all the texts get forwarded to your email or your actual number. It does use your network to eventually place the call and the number does show up in your phone's calling list. You have to delete that number from your phone's outgoing call list after you have completed the call. You don't even need a phone to send texts. You can log in to any computer and send or receive texts. You can also receive pics from certain networks which get forwarded to your mail account linked to your GV number. I don't think it's perfect but if you are a bit cautious and don't want the inconvenience of carrying two separate phones, it is a very good choice.

[OlderFunGuy]

Interesting that a certain member is hosting and promoting all these women. And all for a "$20 monger host fee".

Is there proof? If so please clue me in and they will be gone.

A2

[Jackel000]

Google Voice is tied to your phone number. All the police need is a subpoena for the personal info tied to a Gmail account, which in turn is attached to the Google Voice account. If they want to go directly to the Google Voice account they need a warrant, which they will easily get if they are investigating a major crime. Will LE go to these lengths if they simply bust a working girl? Probably not, but for a more serious offense? Absolutely.

GV is fine to keep your personal number from a provider, but for anything more than that it will merely take LE a few more minutes to track you down to ask why your number is in the phone of the girl they found OD'd, assaulted, or worse.Well I'm sure they can go to great lengths to track people no matter what.

BTW, I don't need a phone hooked into my google voice. I can delete all numbers it forwards to, or add several. I can txt via email, but still, they can get records of my IP address.

I'm not a serial killer so I don't think they're going to bust their ass trying to catch me.


Permanent Wood
I've received text messages from Google Voice users where their Google Voice number showed up on my phone as intended. And then they CALLED me moments later and WHALA, got their real phone number showing up on my phone.
yeah they goofed and chose to reply with their regular number

[Zimbler]

I see a lot of BP ads where the girls say "no cops" or they post a picture of a police badge with a line across it. Are the girls that stupid? Do they think if an undercover cop is looking at their ad they're going to leave her alone because she put the words "no cops" in her ad? Jeez.

[CheeseLover]

I see a lot of BP ads where the girls say "no cops" or they post a picture of a police badge with a line across it. Are the girls that stupid? Do they think if an undercover cop is looking at their ad they're going to leave her alone because she put the words "no cops" in her ad? Jeez.Common sense is not very common.

[Whistles]

I see a lot of BP ads where the girls say "no cops" or they post a picture of a police badge with a line across it. Are the girls that stupid? Do they think if an undercover cop is looking at their ad they're going to leave her alone because she put the words "no cops" in her ad? Jeez.There's a lot of bad legal advice in the world that seems to derive from schoolyard ethics.

[Racine Lurker]

I think it might be their no-so-subtle way of saying something illegal is going on. If I were LE, these would be the first people I'd go to. Right up there with "anything that happens between two consenting adults".

Maybe I'm odd, but I actually look for ads that say "nothing illegal will be offered" - at least then I have sorta an out if it doesn't feel right.

For me, the "no black men" usually translates to "my pimp likes to be the only black man in me".


I see a lot of BP ads where the girls say "no cops" or they post a picture of a police badge with a line across it. Are the girls that stupid? Do they think if an undercover cop is looking at their ad they're going to leave her alone because she put the words "no cops" in her ad? Jeez.

[Johnkat111]

I will be spending this afternoon with my favorite UTR girl with the finest spinner body imaginable. You guys will not be spending time with her because I am on moderation and by the time this posts she will be long gone. Since being on moderation, I have been unable to inform the Forum about Jasmine seeing guys on a Monday, Gia having a one day safe incall, and Amanda offering a two for one special. Unfortunately, most of the info I provide to the board is time sensitive so don't be surprised if you hear a lot less from me in the future.

[Admin2]

I will be spending this afternoon with my favorite UTR girl with the finest spinner body imaginable. You guys will not be spending time with her because I am on moderation and by the time this posts she will be long gone. Since being on moderation, I have been unable to inform the Forum about Jasmine seeing guys on a Monday, Gia having a one day safe incall, and Amanda offering a two for one special. Unfortunately, most of the info I provide to the board is time sensitive so don't be surprised if you hear a lot less from me in the future.This is rants and raves so sometimes I answer, this isn't in blue so it's just me the guy not the mod.

All I told you was that the chicks needed to do their own promotion. If they or anybody want to rent a room from you that's their business not ours nor anybody else on the forum. It's not fair to all the other hard working girls in Milwaukee that can only advertise on the classifieds thread when you are on the review threads putting the girls in front of the guys.

However the difficulty in which you seem to be having accepting the loss of control this restriction places on you is starting to give me pause. There are many guys on the forum that do exactly what you're doing and none of them mind the requirement that the provider needs to do the promotion. None of the other chicks that are involved with this seem to have scheduling issues and arranging the use of the room.

I guess I'm just wondering why you seem to be the only one that can promote these providers and they can't do it for themselves. Why can't they run their own ads and manage their own schedule? I'm really curious and I suspect some other guys are as well though I can't speak for them. Care to illuminate us?

A2.

[Johnkat111]

This is rants and raves so sometimes I answer, this isn't in blue so it's just me the guy not the mod.

All I told you was that the chicks needed to do their own promotion. If they or anybody want to rent a room from you that's their business not ours nor anybody else on the forum. It's not fair to all the other hard working girls in Milwaukee that can only advertise on the classifieds thread when you are on the review threads putting the girls in front of the guys.

However the difficulty in which you seem to be having accepting the loss of control this restriction places on you is starting to give me pause. There are many guys on the forum that do exactly what you're doing and none of them mind the requirement that the provider needs to do the promotion. None of the other chicks that are involved with this seem to have scheduling issues and arranging the use of the room.

I guess I'm just wondering why you seem to be the only one that can promote these providers and they can't do it for themselves. Why can't they run their own ads and manage their own schedule? I'm really curious and I suspect some other guys are as well though I can't speak for them. Care to illuminate us?

A2.I would just like to point out that 23 hours is my own personal record from the time I wrote a post until the time it was actually posted. I can be stupid all by myself without the help of delays that make my insignificant posts even more insignificant.

[Admin2]

I would just like to point out that 23 hours is my own personal record from the time I wrote a post until the time it was actually posted. I can be stupid all by myself without the help of delays that make my insignificant posts even more insignificant.Because obviously the one you have is broke. I moderate the forum a minimum of twice per day, most times three times. In two years no posts have taken more than 12 hours to post.

When I laid this restriction on you, had you just said, "OK", you would't be moderated. Instead, like the post before this one, you argued with me. Acting as if not being able to promote chicks was somehow unreasonable and that I was preventing you from giving the poor needy men in Milwaukee the service they so desperately need.


I will be spending this afternoon with my favorite UTR girl with the finest spinner body imaginable. You guys will not be spending time with her because I am on moderation and by the time this posts she will be long gone.

[Tomamy]

Has a safe incall location at your place for a day like it sounded in one of your last posts. Nothing against you John but I for one will never dream of Brooke because of the way you promote her on here. It's too bad because I really like the spinner bodies. Stay safe! Tommy.


I will be spending this afternoon with my favorite UTR girl with the finest spinner body imaginable. You guys will not be spending time with her because I am on moderation and by the time this posts she will be long gone. Since being on moderation, I have been unable to inform the Forum about Jasmine seeing guys on a Monday, Gia having a one day safe incall, and Amanda offering a two for one special. Unfortunately, most of the info I provide to the board is time sensitive so don't be surprised if you hear a lot less from me in the future.

[Johnkat111]

Has a safe incall location at your place for a day like it sounded in one of your last posts. Nothing against you John but I for one will never dream of Brooke because of the way you promote her on here. It's too bad because I really like the spinner bodies. Stay safe! Tommy.Sorry about the misunderstanding but there is nothing UTR about Gia / Brooke. Guys that have been pming me about her have been told she is high risk. Her incall is often the upper loft of a crack house which is not safe. For a while, I was picking her up and taking her to my house until her pimp found out where I lived so I don't consider my house safe. I stopped seeing her completely. She called to tell me she had an incall at a south side motel that I have been to a number of times with other providers and consider to be safe. I still wouldn't see her there because her pimp knows what I look like. However, she is hot and if anybody wanted to see her, that would have been the time and place. Since I've known her, this was only the third time she has used this particular location.

[MilwPussyHound]

I think I understand where you are at Johnkat111, but I would have to agree with Tommy on his statement. You have given me and I'm sure others plenty of good info but it seems like your pimping these girls even though I don't think you are. I have not seen two girls because you were either there at that time or were involved. And that had partially to do with my comfort level. When I see a gal I don't want some dude there or hanging around outside or in his vehicle.

But I would like to read the answer to Admin2 question he asked you. Also it seemed like your avoiding answering this question and I don't know why. And I'll restate this so you don't think I am attacking you here, I trust the info that you give as it has been very helpful and useful. Here is the Admin2 question.

I guess I'm just wondering why you seem to be the only one that can promote these providers and they can't do it for themselves. Why can't they run their own ads and manage their own schedule? I'm really curious and I suspect some other guys are as well though I can't speak for them. Care to illuminate us?

A2.

[Waldo999]

I think I understand where you are at Johnkat111, but I would have to agree with Tommy on his statement. You have given me and I'm sure others plenty of good info but it seems like your pimping these girls even though I don't think you are. I have not seen two girls because you were either there at that time or were involved. And that had partially to do with my comfort level. When I see a gal I don't want some dude there or hanging around outside or in his vehicle.

But I would like to read the answer to Admin2 question he asked you. Also it seemed like your avoiding answering this question and I don't know why. And I'll restate this so you don't think I am attacking you here, I trust the info that you give as it has been very helpful and useful. Here is the Admin2 question.

I guess I'm just wondering why you seem to be the only one that can promote these providers and they can't do it for themselves. Why can't they run their own ads and manage their own schedule? I'm really curious and I suspect some other guys are as well though I can't speak for them. Care to illuminate us?

A2.Two points I would like to make:

1. JohnKat has been pretty good to me over the years with info and suggestions. Honest and he has not pushed me in a situation that I questioned afterwards.

2. Sometimes you do fall a bit for some of the girls. I know that firsthand and all of a sudden you are doing extras for them even when you realize that they might be playing you. Ego? But it does happen and I think that JK might have a relationship with one like this. We all live a pretty good life compared to most of these girls and do feel sorry for some of them. This might be the case here.

Lets be easy on JK, he really is a good guy.

[Johnkat111]

I think I understand where you are at Johnkat111, but I would have to agree with Tommy on his statement. You have given me and I'm sure others plenty of good info but it seems like your pimping these girls even though I don't think you are. I have not seen two girls because you were either there at that time or were involved. And that had partially to do with my comfort level. When I see a gal I don't want some dude there or hanging around outside or in his vehicle.

But I would like to read the answer to Admin2 question he asked you. Also it seemed like your avoiding answering this question and I don't know why. And I'll restate this so you don't think I am attacking you here, I trust the info that you give as it has been very helpful and useful. Here is the Admin2 question.

I guess I'm just wondering why you seem to be the only one that can promote these providers and they can't do it for themselves. Why can't they run their own ads and manage their own schedule? I'm really curious and I suspect some other guys are as well though I can't speak for them. Care to illuminate us?

A2.Jasmine is a provider who is very difficult to get an appointment with. She always works Friday afternonns and Saturday mornings. The fact that she posted on a Monday I thought was significant enough to mention on the board. Amanda often does threesomes when one of her friends drop by. Two of them make for a worthwhile mongering experiences and two of them do not. I did not investigate to see who the friend was. I think I explained Gia except for admitting that I got way too involved with her and her situation.

I think I am OK with Jackson now but if you are seeing me wandering around the parking lot while mongering I would suggest putting me immediately on your ignore list and the next time it happens call a silver alert so someone can take me back to the home. That goes for any others who see me hiding under their bed or peeking in their windows.

When I "promote" someone, I'm telling the board that I had a really good time with a really good provider. In the past I have promoted Jasmine, Lynn Fairview, Torry, Angela / Brittany, Mandy Love, Gia, Stefani from Rockfort, Nina, CL Jenna, and Bianca. I was wrong on two girls named Jenna and Alissa, who showed me an atypically good time on the first visit. I have given negative reports on Holly, Temptation, Amber, Brooke (not Gia), and Katy May. My reviews are all documented on this site. If anybody has a problem with my ability to evaluate providers, that is what the ignore list is for.

[Admin2]

Jasmine is a provider who is very difficult to get an appointment with. She always works Friday afternonns and Saturday mornings. The fact that she posted on a Monday I thought was significant enough to mention on the board. Amanda often does threesomes when one of her friends drop by. Two of them make for a worthwhile mongering experiences and two of them do not. I did not investigate to see who the friend was. I think I explained Gia except for admitting that I got way too involved with her and her situation.

I think I am OK with Jackson now but if you are seeing me wandering around the parking lot while mongering I would suggest putting me immediately on your ignore list and the next time it happens call a silver alert so someone can take me back to the home. That goes for any others who see me hiding under their bed or peeking in their windows.

When I "promote" someone, I'm telling the board that I had a really good time with a really good provider. In the past I have promoted Jasmine, Lynn Fairview, Torry, Angela / Brittany, Mandy Love, Gia, Stefani from Rockfort, Nina, CL Jenna, and Bianca. I was wrong on two girls named Jenna and Alissa, who showed me an atypically good time on the first visit. I have given negative reports on Holly, Temptation, Amber, Brooke (not Gia), and Katy May. My reviews are all documented on this site. If anybody has a problem with my ability to evaluate providers, that is what the ignore list is for.This is in blue, it's A2 the godlike presence on the forum not me the monger talking.

You have never spoken to Jackson, I am not he. In principle I think we have come to an understanding, however I would like to make sure.

This is promoting;

"Hey guys, chick X will be at my place on Thursday between 6 and midnight, she does Y really well. PM me for appointments."

This is reviewing;

"Hey guys, I just fucked chick X and she does Y really well. You should get a hold of her for an appointment."

Promoting=bad, you need to stop doing that. Reviews=good, you can do as many of these as you wish.

If you can't see the difference between them I don't know what to do next because it's evident to me and I can't explain it any clearer.

To the rest of you guys, renting a room to a monger or chick doesn't make him anymore a pimp than a guy who owns a notel. He's nowhere near the only guy on the forum that does that. The problem comes when the person renting the room gets involved with the appointments.

Hopefully this puts an end to this.

A2 (the guy who isn't Jackson)

[MilwPussyHound]

Two points I would like to make:

1. JohnKat has been pretty good to me over the years with info and suggestions. Honest and he has not pushed me in a situation that I questioned afterwards.

2. Sometimes you do fall a bit for some of the girls. I know that firsthand and all of a sudden you are doing extras for them even when you realize that they might be playing you. Ego? But it does happen and I think that JK might have a relationship with one like this. We all live a pretty good life compared to most of these girls and do feel sorry for some of them. This might be the case here.

Lets be easy on JK, he really is a good guy.Hey Waldo, I am taking it easy on JK. I even said he gives great reliable info. So Waldo, why are you quoting me and then saying to take it easy on him? I know this already. I would still like to read his answer to the Admin2 question. I don't concider that unreasonable or being hard on him.

[Travlnmn]

What is going on here is just nuts. JohnKat may have good intentions in supplying a nice safe location. He is providing a service to mongers who perhaps can't afford a motel, or just don't want to pay for a room that they only use for an hour or so, or worry about going to a girl's incall for safety reasons. And maybe the girls are throwing him a few bones. I can't say but certainly the impression is there. But what is happening here is extremely risky. And for what reward? We all take a risk when we pick up a streetwalker for example. The risk is the girl and possibly her pimp, and also the police. We weigh the risks and the reward and gamble. Most times we get away with it. Other times it is cash and dash, poor service, or if really a bad day, we get arrested. But if arrested, we may be able to get out of it but even if not, it is a misdemeanor. But setting your house / apartment up as a house of prostitution is a felony. If those girls are ever arrested for anything, drugs, prostitution, etc does anyone think that they would NOT give up JohnKat to the police in return for a lighter sentence because JohnKat is a nice guy? Would they tell the police they were paying JohnKat? Or if JohnKat pissed someone off they could easily report him to the police. And my impression was that the location is West Allis. Never been to JohnKats but West Allis is a bedroom community of single family homes. Neighbors watch what is going on. And will report what is going on. And West Allis PD is the kind that would act on the complaint.

My neighbors would certainly wonder what an old guy like me is doing walking into my house with a hot 20 something.

So if JohnKat is aware of the problems, aware of the risks and rewards, then I can only shake my head and say "Good Luck".

Here is the info on Wisconsin Law.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/state-crime/pandering-laws-wisconsin.htm

Pimping and Pandering.

In Wisconsin it is also illegal to:

Pimp (make money from a prostitutes earnings).

Pander (facilitate prostitution, including maintaining a house of prostitution), and solicit or entice someone to become a prostitute.

Ex is. Stat. Ann. 944.32, -33 & -34; & 948.07.).

Punishment.

The penalties for the crimes described above vary according to the offense, and whether or not a minor was involved.

Pimping and pandering.

Pimping is a Class F felony, which incurs a fine of up to $25,000, up to 12 years and six months in prison, or both.

Pandering is a Class A misdemeanor, and incurs a fine of up to $10,000, up to nine months in jail, or both.

It is a Class H felony to solicit or entice someone to become a prostitute, or to keep a house of prostitution. Penalties include a fine of up to $10,000, up to six years in prison, or both.

For a definition of a house of prostitution see http://definitions.uslegal.com/h/house-of-prostitution/.

[Johnkat111]

What is going on here is just nuts. JohnKat may have good intentions in supplying a nice safe location. He is providing a service to mongers who perhaps can't afford a motel, or just don't want to pay for a room that they only use for an hour or so, or worry about going to a girl's incall for safety reasons. And maybe the girls are throwing him a few bones. I can't say but certainly the impression is there. But what is happening here is extremely risky. And for what reward? We all take a risk when we pick up a streetwalker for example. The risk is the girl and possibly her pimp, and also the police. We weigh the risks and the reward and gamble. Most times we get away with it. Other times it is cash and dash, poor service, or if really a bad day, we get arrested. But if arrested, we may be able to get out of it but even if not, it is a misdemeanor. But setting your house / apartment up as a house of prostitution is a felony. If those girls are ever arrested for anything, drugs, prostitution, etc does anyone think that they would NOT give up JohnKat to the police in return for a lighter sentence because JohnKat is a nice guy? Would they tell the police they were paying JohnKat? Or if JohnKat pissed someone off they could easily report him to the police. And my impression was that the location is West Allis. Never been to JohnKats but West Allis is a bedroom community of single family homes. Neighbors watch what is going on. And will report what is going on. And West Allis PD is the kind that would act on the complaint.

My neighbors would certainly wonder what an old guy like me is doing walking into my house with a hot 20 something.

So if JohnKat is aware of the problems, aware of the risks and rewards, then I can only shake my head and say "Good Luck".

Here is the info on Wisconsin Law.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/state-crime/pandering-laws-wisconsin.htm

Pimping and Pandering.

In Wisconsin it is also illegal to:

Pimp (make money from a prostitutes earnings).

Pander (facilitate prostitution, including maintaining a house of prostitution), and solicit or entice someone to become a prostitute.

Ex is. Stat. Ann. 944.32, -33 & -34; & 948.07.).

Punishment.

The penalties for the crimes described above vary according to the offense, and whether or not a minor was involved.

Pimping and pandering.

Pimping is a Class F felony, which incurs a fine of up to $25,000, up to 12 years and six months in prison, or both.

Pandering is a Class A misdemeanor, and incurs a fine of up to $10,000, up to nine months in jail, or both.

It is a Class H felony to solicit or entice someone to become a prostitute, or to keep a house of prostitution. Penalties include a fine of up to $10,000, up to six years in prison, or both.

For a definition of a house of prostitution see http://definitions.uslegal.com/h/house-of-prostitution/.As a result of this post, the number of guys bringing girls over to my house has been reduced from eight (including me) to zero (including me). Perhaps providing LE with my exact address and date and time of any future appt would have made things easier on them. I only have a core group of guys that I let use my house. A core group of guys refers to a guy like Milwaukee Steve who has used my name in the past to get an appointment with a provider. Within twelve hours of his appt, I get a nice text from the provider thanking me for the referral and telling me what a nice friend I have. I have referred a guy to CL Jenna who stiffed her for $100. I referred a guy to Torry who, in the heat of passion, promised her an extra $250 for BB Anal. After they finished, he went out to his car to get the money and never came back. Thee are guys that have asked for 25% discounts because they popped 45 minutes into a 60 minute appt. I tried to add guys to my core group which is shring due to attrition, but have only managed to increase my ignore list instead. I don't really care where and whern my core group sees any new UTR provider. I just want the assholes to stay away.

Smart move, crossing your real life with this dream world is rarely a good idea.

A2

[Waldo999]

Hey Waldo, I am taking it easy on JK. I even said he gives great reliable info. So Waldo, why are you quoting me and then saying to take it easy on him? I know this already. I would still like to read his answer to the Admin2 question. I don't concider that unreasonable or being hard on him.I agree completely!

[Johnkat111]

I agree completely!It is apparent that I have upset some people by "promoting" providers. In the past when I have been with a provider with a hot body that I had a good time with I would ask her if I can take some pictures. I would then tell her that my plans were to send the pictures privately to guys I knew were in the same hobby as I. I would then post about my experience asking interested seniors and contributing members to send me their email address. I would then email them the pics. Most often, the pics wouldn't be allowed till a level of trust was establiched with the provider possibly the third or fourth date. As a result, I often would have a post about a good experience with a good provider and a follow up post about the pictures. I will now limit myself to the initial post only.

[Admin2]

It is apparent that I have upset some people by "promoting" providers. In the past when I have been with a provider with a hot body that I had a good time with I would ask her if I can take some pictures. I would then tell her that my plans were to send the pictures privately to guys I knew were in the same hobby as I. I would then post about my experience asking interested seniors and contributing members to send me their email address. I would then email them the pics. Most often, the pics wouldn't be allowed till a level of trust was establiched with the provider possibly the third or fourth date. As a result, I often would have a post about a good experience with a good provider and a follow up post about the pictures. I will now limit myself to the initial post only.Nothing you're saying here is beyond reporting a good experience. You can do this all you want. Send the pic. If the guy writes you back and says "hey she's hot, I want to see her" then ship him her contact info (not on the forum) and wash your hands of it.

The issue I have with you or anybody else is AFTER they say "Hey I want to see her" and the guy stays involved. It's especially bad if the guy is the SOLE way that other guys can get to her.

[Member #4705]

You know I respect you and we've talked a lot. I'm not going to get sucked into taking sides here, I think all that's being said is don't say " is a great fuck and will be available at a safe location tomorrow. Contact ME to make an appt. " The "ME" appears to be the problem here. Let them contact the provider directly.

[ScooterAllCity]

. Contact ME to make an appt. " The "ME" appears to be the problem here. Let them contact the provider directly.Dead nutz right on. And let the girls do their own promoting.

[Johnkat111]

Dead nutz right on. And let the girls do their own promoting.You guys are right. She makes her own appointments. I just provide digits.

Perfect, glad we could work it out.

A2

[OlderFunGuy]

Well we have all seen the "100% me or free" postings. Then there are the "1000% me or free" postings. Last week I even saw a few 10,000% me postings and even one!,000,000% me posting. And of course all of the postings had phoney pics. So, I was wondering if anyone has ever clipped the coupon and gotten a free visit. The one that really made me chuckle was the lady that posted if it was not her in the pics you got 75% off the quoted rate. Lmfao.

And then I was pondering why they call this a "hobby"? I thought hobbies were supposed to be fun. This "hobby" is more like work and certainly provides more irritation and frustration than fun. Oh well. Maybe I will tae up a new fun hobby, something like spoon collecting. OFG over and out Hope everyone is having fun and a great week.

[Johnkat111]

I believe there comes a point where an addict stops using drugs and the drugs start using the addict. I believe that if someone gave Gia a wad of cash large enough to travel to another town and set up a pimpless existence, she would instead head for her dealers house where she would be dead of an overdose within three days. Although I believe all pimps should be strung up by the balls untill they are dead, I returned Gia to her pimp because there is not a doubt in my mind that it is her only chance for survival.

[Member #6005]

Well we have all seen the "100% me or free" postings. Then there are the "1000% me or free" postings. Last week I even saw a few 10,000% me postings and even one!,000,000% me posting. And of course all of the postings had phoney pics. So, I was wondering if anyone has ever clipped the coupon and gotten a free visit. The one that really made me chuckle was the lady that posted if it was not her in the pics you got 75% off the quoted rate. Lmfao.

And then I was pondering why they call this a "hobby"? I thought hobbies were supposed to be fun. This "hobby" is more like work and certainly provides more irritation and frustration than fun. Oh well. Maybe I will tae up a new fun hobby, something like spoon collecting. OFG over and out Hope everyone is having fun and a great week.You know the thing where you plan a vacation for months and months? It turns out, that's actually where most of the pleasure from a vacation occurs--in the planning.

That's probably also true for weddings. All sorts of intricate planning--for one day of ridiculous insanity that all by itself who could possibly enjoy?

Same thing with the hobby. Embrace the hunt. All the ins and outs and what have yous. There's very little to it besides that--that is worth experiencing, that is.

[OlderFunGuy]

You know the thing where you plan a vacation for months and months? It turns out, that's actually where most of the pleasure from a vacation occurs--in the planning.

That's probably also true for weddings. All sorts of intricate planning--for one day of ridiculous insanity that all by itself who could possibly enjoy?

Same thing with the hobby. Embrace the hunt. All the ins and outs and what have yous. There's very little to it besides that--that is worth experiencing, that is.Point well taken and I agree Sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut!

[MilwPussyHound]

I was driving past the airport and at Motel 6 there was a squad car and it appeared to be an undercover vehicle also. Some guy was being put into the squad car. Don't know if it was a bust or something else.

[RolandDeschain]

A little over a year ago I found myself single again. Approaching my mid 40's I was certainly in no hurry to jump into another relationship but I also wasn't celibate either. I had placed a few ads on CL and had my experiences with mongering here and there. Around this time last year I had placed a CL ad for "maid services". This is where I met my UTR girl, Tina. She was looking for a little extra money for the holidays and it only took a few emails for her to realize what I wanted.

I was pleasantly suprised when she arrived at my place, 35 ish, brunette, nice body with a little baby fat, great titties. I played it as cool as I could, we had some drinks and relaxed while talking. She was divorced, 3 kids, worked as an office manager, etc. She had never answered. An ad like mine before (aren't they ALL virgins? LOL) but she wanted to give her kids a nice Christmas. Seeing as we were being so open I asked her point blank if she used drugs. She admitted that she liked a little weed on occasion but she wasnt into anything else. She asked if I would mind if she had a little smoke before we got started. Soon the fun began.

This woman was awesome! I don't think I'd ever had such an incredible BJ before and she was surprisingly tight for having 3 kids. She stayed more than 3 hours and the only thing she was specific about was no anal play. I could tell she was enjoying herself as much as I was. I'm positive she came 4 times, or was a hell of an actress. I slipped 200 into her purse before she left.

She became my regular thing. We would email or text here and there to see if our schedules worked. In the first two months I probably saw her 8 times. On weekends when she didn't have her kids she would stay the night and would fuck like teenagers (thank you Viagra) I started buying lingerie for her to wear for me, which she gladly did. After 3 months of our trysts she willingly gave up the back door and seemed to enjoy it. I'd make her breakfast and we got along great. I started thinking that this was better than a relationship. She never seemed to want more than a physical relationship and a little extra money.

Fast forward to this past June or July. The sex was still good but she started to seem distracted. She wasn't as interested in hooking up and it was happening less and less frequent. I figured that she. Either had found a better deal or perhaps met someone.

This past Saturday I get a text from her asking if I was interested in playing. I told her I was. She arrived at 6 ish, we sat in my hot tub and had some drinks and got started. She excused herself to use the bathroom and I sat and sipped my scotch. After about 10 minutes I hear her car start and she leaves. I ran in the house and found that she had cleaned my wallet out of 150.00 and grabbed my big change jar from my dresser (maybe 50 in change). She left a note on the dresser saying she was sorry.

After all of the advice about "keeping pets" from Lefty and the like, I found I had fallen into the trap. I never old have guessed she'd steal from me like that but anything is possible in this crazy world.

It's too bad. She was one I could have kept.

Roland.

[LookingForLefty]

A little over a year ago I found myself single again. Approaching my mid 40's I was certainly in no hurry to jump into another relationship but I also wasn't celibate either. I had placed a few ads on CL and had my experiences with mongering here and there. Around this time last year I had placed a CL ad for "maid services". This is where I met my UTR girl, Tina. She was looking for a little extra money for the holidays and it only took a few emails for her to realize what I wanted.

I was pleasantly suprised when she arrived at my place, 35 ish, brunette, nice body with a little baby fat, great titties. I played it as cool as I could, we had some drinks and relaxed while talking. She was divorced, 3 kids, worked as an office manager, etc. She had never answered. An ad like mine before (aren't they ALL virgins? LOL) but she wanted to give her kids a nice Christmas. Seeing as we were being so open I asked her point blank if she used drugs. She admitted that she liked a little weed on occasion but she wasnt into anything else. She asked if I would mind if she had a little smoke before we got started. Soon the fun began.

This woman was awesome! I don't think I'd ever had such an incredible BJ before and she was surprisingly tight for having 3 kids. She stayed more than 3 hours and the only thing she was specific about was no anal play. I could tell she was enjoying herself as much as I was. I'm positive she came 4 times, or was a hell of an actress. I slipped 200 into her purse before she left.

She became my regular thing. We would email or text here and there to see if our schedules worked. In the first two months I probably saw her 8 times. On weekends when she didn't have her kids she would stay the night and would fuck like teenagers (thank you Viagra) I started buying lingerie for her to wear for me, which she gladly did. After 3 months of our trysts she willingly gave up the back door and seemed to enjoy it. I'd make her breakfast and we got along great. I started thinking that this was better than a relationship. She never seemed to want more than a physical relationship and a little extra money.

Fast forward to this past June or July. The sex was still good but she started to seem distracted. She wasn't as interested in hooking up and it was happening less and less frequent. I figured that she. Either had found a better deal or perhaps met someone.

This past Saturday I get a text from her asking if I was interested in playing. I told her I was. She arrived at 6 ish, we sat in my hot tub and had some drinks and got started. She excused herself to use the bathroom and I sat and sipped my scotch. After about 10 minutes I hear her car start and she leaves. I ran in the house and found that she had cleaned my wallet out of 150.00 and grabbed my big change jar from my dresser (maybe 50 in change). She left a note on the dresser saying she was sorry.

After all of the advice about "keeping pets" from Lefty and the like, I found I had fallen into the trap. I never old have guessed she'd steal from me like that but anything is possible in this crazy world.

It's too bad. She was one I could have kept.

Roland.Thats sad. Worse yet, why would she burn your for such a small amount when now ruins a friendship and continued cash flow. All she would have to do is spend another 30 minutes with you and she'd have what she wanted and not ruin a good thing. My advice is if you are going to have a UTR like that you need to know more about them than they know about you. Name, address, phone, and all their relatives. Even though I trust my UTRs, I do keep my wallet out of site, locked up. The only cash I keep is what they will be getting and I put it in a different place each time. There are time I haven't and it turned out ok. But thanks to your story I'm going start being more careful again, despite that both of my UTRs seem fairly trustworthy and drug free.

[RolandDeschain]

Thats sad. Worse yet, why would she burn your for such a small amount when now ruins a friendship and continued cash flow. All she would have to do is spend another 30 minutes with you and she'd have what she wanted and not ruin a good thing. My advice is if you are going to have a UTR like that you need to know more about them than they know about you. Name, address, phone, and all their relatives. Even though I trust my UTRs, I do keep my wallet out of site, locked up. The only cash I keep is what they will be getting and I put it in a different place each time. There are time I haven't and it turned out ok. But thanks to your story I'm going start being more careful again, despite that both of my UTRs seem fairly trustworthy and drug free.I did know her info. Full name, address, etc. I just chalk it up to a bad experience. She had never given me any reason to not trust her so I let my guard down.

[ScooterAllCity]

Thats sad. Worse yet, why would she burn your for such a small amount when now ruins a friendship and continued cash flow. All she would have to do is spend another 30 minutes with you and she'd have what she wanted and not ruin a good thing. My advice is if you are going to have a UTR like that you need to know more about them than they know about you. Name, address, phone, and all their relatives. Even though I trust my UTRs, I do keep my wallet out of site, locked up. The only cash I keep is what they will be getting and I put it in a different place each time. There are time I haven't and it turned out ok. But thanks to your story I'm going start being more careful again, despite that both of my UTRs seem fairly trustworthy and drug free.I'm sure Roland became comfortable with her after awhile and treated her more as a friend than a working girl. I've done the same with one woman a few years back. I think she wanted out of this relationship and thought that if she steals from him he'll want no part of her anymore. After that amount of time the monetary damages could have been a lot worse if she wanted to steal prior. Sad none the less.

[RolandDeschain]

I'm sure Roland became comfortable with her after awhile and treated her more as a friend than a working girl. I've done the same with one woman a few years back. I think she wanted out of this relationship and thought that if she steals from him he'll want no part of her anymore. After that amount of time the monetary damages could have been a lot worse if she wanted to steal prior. Sad none the less.Scooter hit it right on the head. We had been "seeing" each other for almost a year and she had been to my place many many times so I trusted her. She was more of a Fwb than UTR, hell as far as I know I was the only guy she was with. For me it's not even the money, it's more that I could have "gone legit" with this one if she had hinted that way. She was truly a sweet woman. I felt like I was paying her for her time but not paying her for sex. She always enjoyed herself as well as I did.

Oh well. I'll give it the obligatory 1 week mourning period and then get back on the horse.

Roland.

[ItaloSamoa]

A little over a year ago I found myself single again. Approaching my mid 40's I was certainly in no hurry to jump into another relationship but I also wasn't celibate either. I had placed a few ads on CL and had my experiences with mongering here and there. Around this time last year I had placed a CL ad for "maid services". This is where I met my UTR girl, Tina. She was looking for a little extra money for the holidays and it only took a few emails for her to realize what I wanted.

I was pleasantly suprised when she arrived at my place, 35 ish, brunette, nice body with a little baby fat, great titties. I played it as cool as I could, we had some drinks and relaxed while talking. She was divorced, 3 kids, worked as an office manager, etc. She had never answered. An ad like mine before (aren't they ALL virgins? LOL) but she wanted to give her kids a nice Christmas. Seeing as we were being so open I asked her point blank if she used drugs. She admitted that she liked a little weed on occasion but she wasnt into anything else. She asked if I would mind if she had a little smoke before we got started. Soon the fun began.

This woman was awesome! I don't think I'd ever had such an incredible BJ before and she was surprisingly tight for having 3 kids. She stayed more than 3 hours and the only thing she was specific about was no anal play. I could tell she was enjoying herself as much as I was. I'm positive she came 4 times, or was a hell of an actress. I slipped 200 into her purse before she left.

She became my regular thing. We would email or text here and there to see if our schedules worked. In the first two months I probably saw her 8 times. On weekends when she didn't have her kids she would stay the night and would fuck like teenagers (thank you Viagra) I started buying lingerie for her to wear for me, which she gladly did. After 3 months of our trysts she willingly gave up the back door and seemed to enjoy it. I'd make her breakfast and we got along great. I started thinking that this was better than a relationship. She never seemed to want more than a physical relationship and a little extra money.

Fast forward to this past June or July. The sex was still good but she started to seem distracted. She wasn't as interested in hooking up and it was happening less and less frequent. I figured that she. Either had found a better deal or perhaps met someone.

This past Saturday I get a text from her asking if I was interested in playing. I told her I was. She arrived at 6 ish, we sat in my hot tub and had some drinks and got started. She excused herself to use the bathroom and I sat and sipped my scotch. After about 10 minutes I hear her car start and she leaves. I ran in the house and found that she had cleaned my wallet out of 150.00 and grabbed my big change jar from my dresser (maybe 50 in change). She left a note on the dresser saying she was sorry.

After all of the advice about "keeping pets" from Lefty and the like, I found I had fallen into the trap. I never old have guessed she'd steal from me like that but anything is possible in this crazy world.

It's too bad. She was one I could have kept.

Roland.From what you describe here, I'd have been shocked to have that happen. Sounds like she not only blew a good thing, but must have picked up a bad habit. That's what usually omits logic from the equation.

[LookingForLefty]

Scooter hit it right on the head. We had been "seeing" each other for almost a year and she had been to my place many many times so I trusted her. She was more of a Fwb than UTR, hell as far as I know I was the only guy she was with. For me it's not even the money, it's more that I could have "gone legit" with this one if she had hinted that way. She was truly a sweet woman. I felt like I was paying her for her time but not paying her for sex. She always enjoyed herself as well as I did.

Oh well. I'll give it the obligatory 1 week mourning period and then get back on the horse.

Roland.You have definitely been hurt. We are all vulnerable to women at times. I'm sure there is her side of the story. Such as a new BF and so what if she get another $150 severance check. She found a new sugar daddy she can fuck over that has more money than you. I can see the exact same thing happening to me so thanks for sharing. All of us need to do a reality check now and then. When you have a UTR staying over, she's having a great time, you're preparing breakfast, and treating her like a woman, gentle and kind. She's young and hot and you are an old fat dude (not saying anyone is). Whats wrong with the picture? You're banging this sweet thing and she has just cum for the 4th time. Yeah, sure she has. You paid for a show and your are getting it. At some level you want to believe she did cum and likes it. Maybe she did enjoy it. Just not as much as she let on. I've had them spend the night. They stayed because I have a nice warm house with a gas fireplace. They have a roach infested dump with chain smoking drug using roommates. Yeah the loved breakfast. Because it was homemade and not frozen waffles. A woman who cares about you will fuck you for free. No one gives a shit about me, I know. They love my money. They might like me, but they really wouldn't be there for me if I needed a friend. But I'd probably be there for them.

I got free massages now and then. Maybe once outright on my birthday from and indie. A few for helping some Asian with limited English solve some problems. Never once has an escort every said its free and wanted an exclusive relationship. I'd never be so whipped I would dare to ask nor would I want that. Sometimes I ask myself would I want to be seen with this woman in a public place? Even most of the hot ones I would say no. They are ok to fuck on your floor with the lights dim but you would see a lot of faults as soon as you had them in public. Would she want to be seen with me? Is that you're dad? Is that your daughter? So looks like we won't go there. I've been told I'm the best in bed, the best DATY ever, I'm so handsome, you're like my best friend, you'd make a great boyfriend, you treat me so good. But never a free one on the house.

[JackFlack]

I'm so handsome, you're like my best friend, you'd make a great boyfriend, you treat me so good. But never a free one on the house.These girls all have something they are supporting and even if they do like you enough to throw you a free ride those other needs don't take the day off.

[LookingForLefty]

These girls all have something they are supporting and even if they do like you enough to throw you a free ride those other needs don't take the day off.A lot of the UTRs have been in bad relationships and abused. From what I hear from the women, many in the monger community and kind, gentle men who treat these women pretty well. They lay there and get paid while at the same time, get spoiled with genuine affection. How many of you have gone the extra mile to give one of these women some real pleasure before thinking of your own? A lot I know. Some of you guys are some real studs. A lot of legit women would be lucky to have you. Imagine if you just put 50% of what you put into pleasing some of these UTRs and escorts into pleasing a wife or girlfriend? Those wives and girlfriends would be quite happy. I've never had a real girlfriend for any length of time nor have I been on many real dates. I'm the guy at the movies who is by himself. After about an hour I really can't deal with being with someone. Even the one's I am super attracted to, a hour is all I can put up with. I've had all nighters and I've even kept pets around for a few weeks. Not often and none of them are around now.

What I hear from women is that the 50 year old fat dude knows his way around a clit and G spot than the 25 year old stud the meet at a bar. And you give it 150% when its a 22 year old spinner instead of 50 year old 200 lb Ethel back home.

[OlderFunGuy]

This sow belly has been hanging around for a long time and keeps promising to leave damn, find a cargo plane and get her out of here!! Anyhow, I can't imagine that any guy would be hard up enuf to see someone like this, or for that matter, half of the cows that post on BP 360727 Just ranting! Thank you.

[DewPoint4157]

Couple of points to make about the rash of full mailboxes we have seen recently:

1. I learned the hard way that your Sent Mail counts toward your 100 pm maximum. I kept getting full mail box warnings even though I maintained a minimal amount of received pm's. It was only after I started cleaning out my Sent items that I could stay comfortably under 100.

2. You don't have to post a message about full mail boxes. Our fearless administrator sends an email to anyone that has a pm bounce.

[Jkbald]

This sow belly has been hanging around for a long time and keeps promising to leave damn, find a cargo plane and get her out of here!! Anyhow, I can't imagine that any guy would be hard up enuf to see someone like this, or for that matter, half of the cows that post on BP 360727 Just ranting! Thank you.Hey OFG interestingly enough last week she was down in Waukegan and received this review:

Mmaforever.

Senior Member.

Natalie in waukegan.

I saw this girl this morning. Her face is a spitting image of Miley Cyrus. But she's a big girl! But her pics don't hide or lie her pics spot on. Great personality and great head game. I was not there for FS. Her face is beautiful and she's very open. She let me take a phone video for extra 20 for later viewing.

[OlderFunGuy]

Hey OFG interestingly enough last week she was down in Waukegan and received this review:

Mmaforever.

Senior Member.

Natalie in waukegan.

I saw this girl this morning. Her face is a spitting image of Miley Cyrus. But she's a big girl! But her pics don't hide or lie her pics spot on. Great personality and great head game. I was not there for FS. Her face is beautiful and she's very open. She let me take a phone video for extra 20 for later viewing.Cool I guess I didn't notice that they could pass for identical twins my mistake 363089363090.

[ItaloSamoa]

Hey OFG interestingly enough last week she was down in Waukegan and received this review:

Mmaforever.

Senior Member.

Natalie in waukegan.

I saw this girl this morning. Her face is a spitting image of Miley Cyrus. But she's a big girl! But her pics don't hide or lie her pics spot on. Great personality and great head game. I was not there for FS. Her face is beautiful and she's very open. She let me take a phone video for extra 20 for later viewing.I'll have some of whatever he's smokin.

[BigMilwaukee]

What I am referring to is Pimps. They are the vermin of this trade. A hold over from the old times, and sadly a nessicary evil that has to be dealt with more and more. They control rates, movements, services, and availability. The big question is, what benifit are they now a days? What does the girl (or guy) benifit from having someone take all their money, tell them who to see, where to go, how to talk, what to do, etc. What do most of them get in return? Getting beat, addicted to drugs and or alchol, your life ruined. The girls bring their pimps more and more to the nicer parts of town on their credentials, such as the most recent backpage review. This ruins the neighborhoods to say the liest. Ask yourself this, for those of you whom have the girls to your places, how do you feel to have a black thug hoodrat with a gun sitting in your driveway waiting to hear about all the nice things in your house that are begging to be taken, or him sitting in the next room at a dive hotel or hood house while you are tapping that ass?

There is no particular point to this, just a conversation starter.

[DewPoint4157]

What I am referring to is Pimps. They are the vermin of this trade. A hold over from the old times, and sadly a nessicary evil that has to be dealt with more and more. They control rates, movements, services, and availability. The big question is, what benifit are they now a days? What does the girl (or guy) benifit from having someone take all their money, tell them who to see, where to go, how to talk, what to do, etc. What do most of them get in return? Getting beat, addicted to drugs and or alchol, your life ruined. The girls bring their pimps more and more to the nicer parts of town on their credentials, such as the most recent backpage review. This ruins the neighborhoods to say the liest. Ask yourself this, for those of you whom have the girls to your places, how do you feel to have a black thug hoodrat with a gun sitting in your driveway waiting to hear about all the nice things in your house that are begging to be taken, or him sitting in the next room at a dive hotel or hood house while you are tapping that ass?

There is no particular point to this, just a conversation starter.These are BOYFRIENDS not pimps at least that is what I have been told by one particular provider. I have given up trying to explain to her that a black guy who beats her up and takes all her money and goes with her on every incall and outcall does not want her to be the mother of his children. She is a total servant. She can live only with him. The food, clothes, cigarettes and drugs she needs are provided by him. She does not have a penny of her own. Having said this, I'm not sure that having this pimp arrested would be a good idea. She has been so dehumanized that she is has become the most self-destructive person I have ever met. I truly believe that if she had a very profitable weekend incall and a reliable drug dealer that she would be dead of an OD before the next weekend rolled around.

[ManOfTaste]

These are BOYFRIENDS not pimps at least that is what I have been told by one particular provider. I have given up trying to explain to her that a black guy who beats her up and takes all her money and goes with her on every incall and outcall does not want her to be the mother of his children. She is a total servant. She can live only with him. The food, clothes, cigarettes and drugs she needs are provided by him. She does not have a penny of her own. Having said this, I'm not sure that having this pimp arrested would be a good idea. She has been so dehumanized that she is has become the most self-destructive person I have ever met. I truly believe that if she had a very profitable weekend incall and a reliable drug dealer that she would be dead of an OD before the next weekend rolled around.This is the sad of thing, I've met providers who are unable to become independent, the pimp (or believe it the pimpess) recruit them into the business and they give them a down payment the first time which could be as little as something to eat, and they spend a lot of time making no money at all and some how they convince them they are doing them a favor, they learn to depend on the pimp in their travelling as many do not have cars or their license is suspended, lodging and backpage advertisement because they don't have credit cards, in the meanwhile they get used to that cheap booze and drugs which they need to medicate after suffering the abuse from the pimps. Some of the smarter girls are becoming independent, but it is just so difficult.

[DewPoint4157]

I have had several pm's concerning a possible Meet and Greet. The consensus seems to be that most mongers are not interested in meeting $300 and up providers. IMHO this is the wrong way to view an event like this. These girls are usually attractive, the & the free, low volume providers that provide GFE services on your initial encounter. Most importantly, they are reasonably sane and do not have a manager waiting for them. Part of the reason they charge so much is to screen away undesireables. They are not interested in guys with poor hygiene or guys that treat them like a piece of meat. Most importantly, they don't want anyone who is LE. I have been with two different $300 providers multiple times. I only paid the $300 fee for the initial visit. Subsequent visits were at least $100 less. I am not good looking nor a particularly great lover, but I am clean and respectful. I offer no guarantees, but I believe it is possible to eliminate the expensive first visit via the Meet and Greet, at least in some instances. I would be amazed if a Meet and Greet did not result in at least several "special" financial arrangements between provider and monger.

[Oakly]

I'm new to the Milwaukee area so I don't know the area. It seems that most providers are based in the 'South 27th' area. I know that northwest area of Milwaukee metro area is a rough area but why are few providers in the better farther north suburbs? Is there no demand up there? Should I be resigned to drive to the South 27th area?

[LookingForLefty]

I have had several pm's concerning a possible Meet and Greet. The consensus seems to be that most mongers are not interested in meeting $300 and up providers. IMHO this is the wrong way to view an event like this. These girls are usually attractive, the & the free, low volume providers that provide GFE services on your initial encounter. Most importantly, they are reasonably sane and do not have a manager waiting for them. Part of the reason they charge so much is to screen away undesireables. They are not interested in guys with poor hygiene or guys that treat them like a piece of meat. Most importantly, they don't want anyone who is LE. I have been with two different $300 providers multiple times. I only paid the $300 fee for the initial visit. Subsequent visits were at least $100 less. I am not good looking nor a particularly great lover, but I am clean and respectful. I offer no guarantees, but I believe it is possible to eliminate the expensive first visit via the Meet and Greet, at least in some instances. I would be amazed if a Meet and Greet did not result in at least several "special" financial arrangements between provider and monger.Go to any state capital and there is usually an upscale bar or restaurant nearby. A monger friend took me to one out of state. Your best bet is to wear a coat and tie. I didn't so I did not get much attention. At about 7 pm several high class escorts came in ranging in age from 21 to 60, white, black, Hispanic, Asian and Indian. I was told this would be an all you can eat buffet type thing from $800 to $1200 with a girl. The girls would start hitting on the guys at the bar. The only girl getting hit on by guys was the Asian Indian. My buddy who is very wealth does this about once a week. I'm wearing jeans and polo shirt and looked to poor to afford one, which was true, so none of them talked to me.

[Oakly]

Go to any state capital and there is usually an upscale bar or restaurant nearby. A monger friend took me to one out of state. Your best bet is to wear a coat and tie. I didn't so I did not get much attention. At about 7 pm several high class escorts came in ranging in age from 21 to 60, white, black, Hispanic, Asian and Indian. I was told this would be an all you can eat buffet type thing from $800 to $1200 with a girl. The girls would start hitting on the guys at the bar. The only girl getting hit on by guys was the Asian Indian. My buddy who is very wealth does this about once a week. I'm wearing jeans and polo shirt and looked to poor to afford one, which was true, so none of them talked to me.Hahaha. That reminds me of when I went to school at UW Madison. One Saturday we decided to hit a non-student bar on the Capitol square. We dressed up somewhat (dress up options for undergrads is limited). The bottom line is that the bar was frequented by middle aged women many of whom took some of us 20 something guys out for after school activities. I was too prudish at the time but in hindsight I wish I would have been more receptive to the women. The women were buying us drinks to get our inhibitions down. Ah, those were the days.

[DewPoint4157]

I got involved in the tail end of a conversation between two escorts. Apparently, a third escort who both girls knew, went to a luxury hotel to meet a date. During the course of the evening, she pocketed what she thought was an "ugly" pinkie ring. The punch line to the story was that the next day she sold this ugly pinky ring for $8,000. Both girls were appalled by my negative reaction to what they considered to be a light hearted tale of good fortune and refused to give me the name of the perpetrator. What I considered larceny, they felt was just normal procedure for outcalls. The sad part of the story is that I've seen both providers and probably the third provider, at my house in the past. I am relating this story because it has made me change my perspective on future outcalls.

[Howard5354]

I got involved in the tail end of a conversation between two escorts. Apparently, a third escort who both girls knew, went to a luxury hotel to meet a date. During the course of the evening, she pocketed what she thought was an "ugly" pinkie ring. The punch line to the story was that the next day she sold this ugly pinky ring for $8,000. Both girls were appalled by my negative reaction to what they considered to be a light hearted tale of good fortune and refused to give me the name of the perpetrator. What I considered larceny, they felt was just normal procedure for outcalls. The sad part of the story is that I've seen both providers and probably the third provider, at my house in the past. I am relating this story because it has made me change my perspective on future outcalls.Must have been the hope diamond to fetch $8,000 dollars. Some of these babes are not honest people. As choochie says, leave your wallet and cell phone in the trunk of your car, get the pussy, and leave. You cannot save a ho!

[Howard5354]

What I am referring to is Pimps. They are the vermin of this trade. A hold over from the old times, and sadly a nessicary evil that has to be dealt with more and more. They control rates, movements, services, and availability. The big question is, what benifit are they now a days? What does the girl (or guy) benifit from having someone take all their money, tell them who to see, where to go, how to talk, what to do, etc. What do most of them get in return? Getting beat, addicted to drugs and or alchol, your life ruined. The girls bring their pimps more and more to the nicer parts of town on their credentials, such as the most recent backpage review. This ruins the neighborhoods to say the liest. Ask yourself this, for those of you whom have the girls to your places, how do you feel to have a black thug hoodrat with a gun sitting in your driveway waiting to hear about all the nice things in your house that are begging to be taken, or him sitting in the next room at a dive hotel or hood house while you are tapping that ass?

There is no particular point to this, just a conversation starter.Let face it, girls need protection from the psychos who walk among us.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/11/police-consider-craiglist-killings-work-ex-cop/

http://thegrio.com/2011/12/27/deaths-of-3-escorts-could-be-linked-to-serial-killer/

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2012/08/duncanville-woman-found-shot-to-death-in-an-upscale-chicago-hotel-suite.html/

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2006/Fatal-Connection/

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/10/11/woman-found-stabbed-to-death-at-river-north-hotel/

[Oakly]

An ad on Backpage showed a girl who said that she was 19. Yes she was very cute and the photos were most likely fake. My point is that to me she looked too young. I prefer my women to be in their mid 20's. What do you prefer?

[LookingForLefty]

An ad on Backpage showed a girl who said that she was 19. Yes she was very cute and the photos were most likely fake. My point is that to me she looked too young. I prefer my women to be in their mid 20's. What do you prefer?Just get me some worn out stripper about 45 that fits like an old glove. Couple of teeth missing, fake tan, fake tits, gravely smokers voice, calls me baby, drives and old rattle trap car, and doesn't keep her back door locked. Then treat her like a supermodel. Let her talk out all her bullshit drama. When she's all talked out, then go to work and give her a good one.

[Outfishing]

An ad on Backpage showed a girl who said that she was 19. Yes she was very cute and the photos were most likely fake. My point is that to me she looked too young. I prefer my women to be in their mid 20's. What do you prefer?I agree, I skip over all the young ones on BP. 27 and up works best for me.

[Oakly]

I agree, I skip over all the young ones on BP. 27 and up works best for me.That is funny because I lost my virginity to a 27 year old provider when I was 18 and 27 year olds have been my favorite ever since!

[Dmurray]

First, I would like to thank MPH for his gracious expression of gratitude and my resulting desire to pound the streets in an attempt to find him something truly spectacular. Next, I would like to point some fingers at the real culprits in this unfortunate situation. No fewer than three mongers that I know of saw Gia or her much more spectacular and desirable roomate; GIGI / Paige the day before MPH and I had our unfortunate incall. Just the knowlege that the incall took place on an air mattress in the basement would have been enough intell to eliminate me, let alone the fact that a mother and father might be roaming the halls.

I have read thousands of posts on this board and I have never read a boring or useless report that described an encounter between a monger and a provider. I doubt that I ever will. Recently I got my VIP back on another site and found out that my favorite provider who I have been hyping for almost a year on this board, is actually providing only an HJ for an HE to new customers. No one has ever bothered to set the record straight for me. The only way this board is going to be superior to other boards of this type, is for its members to be more willing to provide monger-provider information. A newbie that posts a link and than asks if anyone has info on this provider is going to endure well deserved abuse, but if he attempts to describe an encounter between him and a provider and maybe forgets to include a piece of important intell any abuse should be reported to our illustrious administer. Likewise anyone that describes a wonderful BBBJ and a month later is held personally responsible because someone else got a toothy BBBJ from the same provider should also be reported. I'm sure once one or two douchebags have been handed out some of the exorbitant moderation penalties that are admin is becoming famous for, guys are going to be much less likely to withhold valuable intell.To each his own. How can you blame someone who reports he got great service from a provider, but a month later, another person who sees her, thinks the service sucks? Everybody has different likes.

[ScooterAllCity]

To each his own. How can you blame someone who reports he got great service from a provider, but a month later, another person who sees her, thinks the service sucks? Everybody has different likes.As well as the provider.

[MilwPussyHound]

Has anyone had any dealing with Pinkybee420 from Tagged?Nice first post. How about you tell us about gals that you already met on tagged. Makes more sense to me.

[ItaloSamoa]

Has anyone had any dealing with Pinkybee420 from Tagged?What the hell is tagged and why should I care?

[Travlnmn]

What the hell is tagged and why should I care?If you did a search, you would find Tagged is a website where people meet.

MikeOldman probably does not care whether you care or not.

Try an be nice to new people. Cut them some slack. Everyone has something to offer. And everyone was new at some point.

[ItaloSamoa]

If you did a search, you would find Tagged is a website where people meet.

MikeOldman probably does not care whether you care or not.

Try an be nice to new people. Cut them some slack. Everyone has something to offer. And everyone was new at some point.I'm always nice to people, especially those looking to contribute. Having said that, it's good to see you looking out for a guy who comes in here with his one and only post to basically promote another site. Good job Capt. Save-A-Bro! I'm sorry, that wasn't very nice.

Btw, regardless of how it sounded, I wasn't trying to be mean to the guy either. I was actually hoping the guy would produce a little more dialogue to flesh out whether or not he was sincere and might explain the resource since the search I DID in fact do, only produces a page that wants me to JOIN. But instead he made one post about another website and then bupkis.

Hell, in reality the poster probably IS, Pinkybee420. LOL.

[Daprip]

I'm always nice to people, especially those looking to contribute. Having said that, it's good to see you looking out for a guy who comes in here with his one and only post to basically promote another site. Good job Capt. Save-A-Bro! I'm sorry, that wasn't very nice.

Btw, regardless of how it sounded, I wasn't trying to be mean to the guy either. I was actually hoping the guy would produce a little more dialogue to flesh out whether or not he was sincere and might explain the resource since the search I DID in fact do, only produces a page that wants me to JOIN. But instead he made one post about another website and then bupkis.

Hell, in reality the poster probably IS, Pinkybee420. LOL.I think the tone of your response to the new guys question was a bit harsh.

About Pinkybee420 I've come across her in a few websites such as AFF and POF. She's like everywhere (I guess that means I'm everywhere too)! I believe she's genuine but I have to add that I haven't had any dealings with her.

[ScooterAllCity]

If you did a search, you would find Tagged is a website where people meet.Don't you think that the person asking the question should have explained what Tagged is? I would think so.

[ScooterAllCity]

I think the tone of your response to the new guys question was a bit harsh.I sure hope that he gets over it and it's nothing that will scar him for life.

[ScooterAllCity]

I'm always nice to people, especially those looking to contribute. Having said that, it's good to see you looking out for a guy who comes in here with his one and only post to basically promote another site.I agree with you totally. I could be wrong but I really doubt if we'll hear from him again. And if we do hopefully it might actually be a contribution or two.

[Daprip]

Don't you think that the person asking the question should have explained what Tagged is? I would think so.I don't think so. Tagged is a popular website that is known to many. It is totally understandable why he wouldn't think it is necessary to explain what it is.

[Daprip]

I sure hope that he gets over it and it's nothing that will scar him for life.That's not the point. Believe it or not most people here have lives outside this forum so yes, he won't be scarred for life. I don't know what USASG means to everybody else, but for me, I consider it a data bank. Treating first time or new contributors harshly could deter others from contributing which could in turn deprive us of useful information.

[ScooterAllCity]

That's not the point. Believe it or not most people here have lives outside this forum so yes, he won't be scarred for life. I don't know what USASG means to everybody else, but for me, I consider it a data bank. Treating first time or new contributors harshly could deter others from contributing which could in turn deprive us of useful information.My point being that he was NOT harsh to the poster at all.

[DewPoint4157]

My point being that he was NOT harsh to the poster at all.About three years ago, I posted my first review. It was a glowing report on my visit with CMT Jasmine. It was so glowing, in fact, that the moderator wouldn't permit it because he thought I was CMT Jasmine. After a couple more lousy posts, I got a pm from a monger that called himself LonelyGuy. He suggested that I read at least the last year worth of posts to get a flavor for each of the boards and volunteered his help if I had any specific questions. Because of his guidance, I became an active contributor. I think it is helpful for some of us with hundreds of posts to remember our first three or four.

[ItaloSamoa]

Treating first time or new contributors harshly could deter others from contributing which could in turn deprive us of useful information.I don't think what was posted was contributing. But I was not trying to be harsh. Sarcastic, yes. Harsh, no.

IMO as a very first post, it would be nice to at least hear something that offers some sort of info. He uses Tagged. What is tagged? Does it give a lot of info? Reviews? Reliable? Easy to use? Etc.

I offered the opportunity by asking directly, "What the hell is tagged and why should I care?" Had someone thrown that down to me, they'd have gotten a response.

We don't have a TAGGED section. So maybe not everyone does know anything about it and I'm pretty internet savvy. That tag is totally new to me.

[Sinlover]

Treating first time or new contributors harshly could deter others from contributing which could in turn deprive us of useful information.I think the point he was trying to make is that the poster wasn't contributing as his first, and only, post was request for info.

[ScooterAllCity]

I don't think what was posted was contributing. But I was not trying to be harsh. Sarcastic, yes. Harsh, no.
IMO as a very first post, it would be nice to at least hear something that offers some sort of info. He uses Tagged. What is tagged? Does it give a lot of info? Reviews? Reliable? Easy to use? Etc.I offered the opportunity by asking directly, "What the hell is tagged and why should I care?" Had someone thrown that down to me, they'd have gotten a response.
We don't have a TAGGED section. So maybe not everyone does know anything about it and I'm pretty internet savvy. That tag is totally new to me.Well said and I totally agree. Like I said in a prior post I'd be vey surprised to hear from him again. But there is no way to slow down the ankle biters about your cruel reply to the ONE time non contributing question asker.

[MkePalace]

I don't think what was posted was contributing. But I was not trying to be harsh. Sarcastic, yes. Harsh, no.

IMO as a very first post, it would be nice to at least hear something that offers some sort of info. He uses Tagged. What is tagged? Does it give a lot of info? Reviews? Reliable? Easy to use? Etc.

I offered the opportunity by asking directly, "What the hell is tagged and why should I care?" Had someone thrown that down to me, they'd have gotten a response.

We don't have a TAGGED section. So maybe not everyone does know anything about it and I'm pretty internet savvy. That tag is totally new to me.In my opinion, it WAS harsh. Instead of: "I've never heard of Tagged. Help us out. How did you hear about it? What else have you heard? The better-than-all-others Senior mentality shot back with, essentially: "What the fuck is it and why the hell should I care you useless one-posting time waster?" Those may not have been the words, but that's the attitude that was conveyed. Intended or not. And it was reinforced by the other better-than-all-others Seniors.

There was a post not so long ago from Admin2:


This type of forum only works when people contribute. It only grows better when more and more people contribute. Open criticism of someone's honest effort, even if you don't like his style, will possibly chase that guy away. Worse, is it will probablly chase many guys away that might have been encouraged to start contributing valuable info.

A few years ago the Philly forum was extremely active. One of the most descriptive members (superelequent) was 'outed' by another monger who had a grudge, and for the most part the forum fell apart. It still has activity, but many people that were starting to contribute really good info left. It's a shadow of what it was. So be careful to not let that type of negativity ruin what you have here.

I agree with the above and if somebody is doing that please use the "Report Post" button so I can take care of it. There are advantages to being a Senior Member, one of them being that your posts are unmoderated. Anybody who is taking advantage of that to be a douchebag will be placed back on moderation.

There are no rules against asking questions or being new, there are rules about flaming other members. New guys cost a fuckload of money to attract, running them off will not be tolerated.

A2Did the guy provide useful info? Maybe not 100%, but he brought up "Tagged" which some of you seem to have heard of, but many others (including myself) have not. I'm sure many of the better-than-all-others group is okay with beating kids when they fuck up as a simple means to teach them a lesson. It's not "harsh", they just need to learn. Based on Admin2's response above, I'm thinking that this way of thinking probably isn't the direction he's wishing this forum to head.

[Travlnmn]

In my opinion, it WAS harsh. Instead of: "I've never heard of Tagged. Help us out. How did you hear about it? What else have you heard? The better-than-all-others Senior mentality shot back with, essentially: "What the fuck is it and why the hell should I care you useless one-posting time waster?" Those may not have been the words, but that's the attitude that was conveyed. Intended or not. And it was reinforced by the other better-than-all-others Seniors.

There was a post not so long ago from Admin2:

Did the guy provide useful info? Maybe not 100%, but he brought up "Tagged" which some of you seem to have heard of, but many others (including myself) have not. I'm sure many of the better-than-all-others group is okay with beating kids when they fuck up as a simple means to teach them a lesson. It's not "harsh", they just need to learn. Based on Admin2's response above, I'm thinking that this way of thinking probably isn't the direction he's wishing this forum to head.MkePal.

Good comment. I agree with you 100%.

I can recall on another occasion a new guy to the forum asked where streetwalkers walk in MKE. He was told by a senior that he could not be trusted with that information. Go figure!

Perhaps if some of the seniors still don't get it, Admin perhaps should decide if the comment is harsh. Then perhaps some of the seniors would receive the same spanking that they occasionally dole out to newbies.

[WizardOfAahs]

This is the age of entitlement and everyone thinks they are can get something for nothing. Unfortunately that's not true here by the vary nature that for the most part we are all looking to pay for something.

Probably the best things to do would be a link for a how-to-post as well as how-to-ask for information.

Maybe anytime we start a new topic we provide a link. It would be much more helpful and then anytime someone new comes into USAG they would see that and hopefully figure it out.

In the case of our first time poster. I don't think it was too harsh. Simple steps that should have been taken could have prevented this whole mess.

1. Reviewing the forum to see how it operates would.

1 a Show no mention of Tagged.

1 b Show that you generally need to give if you want to receive.

1 c Show no mention of Pinkybee420.

1 d Show that discussions on an unknown are best done with a link to the person.

Just providing the link to her Tagged profile.

http://www.tagged.com/profile.html?view=mini&uid=6022803870

Would have told the people who she is and what Tagged is.

[ItaloSamoa]

Maybe the last 10 posts belong in Rants, Raves and Opinions. Wasn't that WHY that thread was created so we wouldn't bog down the regular threads with sniping at each other?I'm not going to snipe with these guys. If they want to keep kicking a dead horse and backing a guy with one useless post that promotes another site then let them, I already admitted I was being sarcastic to the guys post, IMO for good reason.

I'm pretty sure we wanted to discourage this type of post by newbies but apparently these guys want to encourage them and fill the forum with unknown and untrusted new guys asking for intell and offering nothing. THAT will certainly make the forum better! (oops, more sarcasm)

I'll simply remember whose pms to respond to when the time comes. LOL.

[CharlieKane200]

I'm sure many of the better-than-all-others group is okay with beating kids when they fuck up as a simple means to teach them a lesson.Dude, seriously?

[MkePalace]

Was looking around on BP on Friday and clicked on a post which talked about EroticMonkey. Took a look around and don't quite know what to make of this site. Anyone else checked it out?Now if this same post was someone's first, they would have been accused of shilling for another site. No link to the ad, no link to the site, yada yada yada. But we *know* OFG and know he's a decent part of the community. Food for thought.

As far as EroticMonkey is concerned, I've heard of it but not around this area. I think it's more for major metro areas (like Chicago), but am not 100% sure. I haven't noticed it in any of the BP ads around here. Who was using it in their ad?

[Laffing]

I'm not going to snipe with these guys. If they want to keep kicking a dead horse and backing a guy with one useless post that promotes another site then let them, I already admitted I was being sarcastic to the guys post, IMO for good reason.

I'm pretty sure we wanted to discourage this type of post by newbies but apparently these guys want to encourage them and fill the forum with unknown and untrusted new guys asking for intell and offering nothing. THAT will certainly make the forum better! (oops, more sarcasm)

I'll simply remember whose pms to respond to when the time comes. LOL.Dear god. I relativity new to the hobby, 6 months or so. It is clear on this board, and pretty fair, that you have to give info to gain any credibility. I have not contributed much, and I'd argue that is because of the poor mobile interface (but that is for another day), but being new I don't expect any info from anyone, nor would I trust info from a newbie, including myself.

That being said. Check out my awesome review of a provider on the BP forum.

Trust me, its real.

[ScooterAllCity]

I'm sure many of the better-than-all-others group is okay with beating kids when they fuck up as a simple means to teach them a lesson. It's not "harsh", they just need to learn. I believe that you're way out of line with that comment. It doesn't belong here at all.

[MkePalace]

I believe that you're way out of line with that comment. It doesn't belong here at all.Excellent. My intent was not to offend. But make a point. It would seem my experiment in choice of words worked. Would it have been better if I had said "spanked" instead of beat? Or "swatted"? They're all forms of beating (physically striking), but they certainly don't come across the same way.

It seems that some of us are, indeed, able to distinguish a difference between "harsh" and "not harsh. ".

[ItaloSamoa]

Dude, seriously?I must have missed that post. WOW!

[ItaloSamoa]

Now if this same post was someone's first, they would have been accused of shilling for another site. No link to the ad, no link to the site, yada yada yada. But we *know* OFG and know he's a decent part of the community. Food for thought.

As far as EroticMonkey is concerned, I've heard of it but not around this area. I think it's more for major metro areas (like Chicago), but am not 100% sure. I haven't noticed it in any of the BP ads around here. Who was using it in their ad?There's a reason you get SENIOR MEMBER STATUS, but I'm starting to wonder if we don't need a thread or forum to teach why that is.

OFG is a trusted member. End of story.

[ItaloSamoa]

Dear god. I relativity new to the hobby, 6 months or so. It is clear on this board, and pretty fair, that you have to give info to gain any credibility. I have not contributed much, and I'd argue that is because of the poor mobile interface (but that is for another day), but being new I don't expect any info from anyone, nor would I trust info from a newbie, including myself.

That being said. Check out my awesome review of a provider on the BP forum.

Trust me, its real.Welcome aboard Laffing.

I was new not long ago and there is a WEALTH of trustworthy info available here with a simple search and NO ACTUAL CONTRIBUTION. (Something some seem to have forgotten) As a matter of fact, this is the site I trust the most when it comes to the members I trust who reside here.

You do have to give info here. BUT it must also be verified by others who are trusted here, IMO. When that happens you do indeed gain credibility as a truthful member.

It doesn't matter if you disagree about the level of service IMO. What matters is that you are giving realistic info on the credibility of the provider.

One mans trash is anothers treasure. I've had a few disappointments from recommendations here. All I care about is the credibility of the recommendation.

We all have different strokes.

[ItaloSamoa]

Excellent. My intent was not to offend. But make a point. It would seem my experiment in choice of words worked. Would it have been better if I had said "spanked" instead of beat? Or "swatted"? They're all forms of beating (physically striking), but they certainly don't come across the same way.

It seems that some of us are, indeed, able to distinguish a difference between "harsh" and "not harsh. ".What you seem unable to distinguish between is useful and useless.

I'm not being harsh at this point. Just blunt.

You're wasting a lot of emotion on a one post "wanter".

Think about that.

[Admin2]

None of this is in blue, you're welcome to respond because it's just me, not the admin.


What you seem unable to distinguish between is useful and useless.

I'm not being harsh at this point. Just blunt.Yes you were being harsh, had you got off your dead ass and typed "what is tagged" in google you would have found it's a social media site. Had you not taken the time to write something stupid, but searched a little, you would have discovered that it's a social media site with a lot of fucking hookers. However in your case, being a wise ass was more important than getting pussy.


Excellent. My intent was not to offend. But make a point. It would seem my experiment in choice of words worked. Would it have been better if I had said "spanked" instead of beat? Or "swatted"? They're all forms of beating (physically striking), but they certainly don't come across the same way.

It seems that some of us are, indeed, able to distinguish a difference between "harsh" and "not harsh. ".I am very able, and yes it was harsh. It was a first time poster, new to the forum, and he got his ass jumped. Maybe it was the chick. Maybe, just maybe, it was the chick trying to clue you knuckleheads into the fact that she was on tagged trying to sell pussy. But again, punishing new guys is much more important than pussy.


This is the age of entitlement and everyone thinks they are can get something for nothing. Unfortunately that's not true here by the vary nature that for the most part we are all looking to pay for something.

Probably the best things to do would be a link for a how-to-post as well as how-to-ask for information.This one really took the fucking cake. A guy who has never paid a dime to use this forum telling other people how they should use it to make it easier on him. That my friend is some of the worst entitlement thinking I have ever seen. I appreciate you taking the time to help people organize their thoughts to present better info, but calling the lack of that knowledge entitlement is ludicrous.


I sure hope that he gets over it and it's nothing that will scar him for life.I just need to put you back on moderation. Because you.


What the hell is tagged and why should I care?And you, just don't get it.

I've said it before and I hope I don't have to say it again, getting new people here is fucking expensive as hell. You don't have to help them but these are you're choices.

1. Shut the fuck up about TELLING (rather than explaining) why guys have to give before they get. Or.

2. I will put you back on moderation and never take you off.

Hope it's getting warmer up there.

A2.

[Tomamy]

For it's original purpose and not use it to rip on members. If you don't have anything good to say to someone, don't say anything at all. Especially you ScooterAllCity. I'm done! Back to the hobby.

[Travlnmn]

Now that the dust has settled I hope members can get back on the path for which the forum was intended.

However a couple of points need to be made. The comments were clearly harsh. I am much more favorably disposed to someone who admits a mistake and sincerely apologizes. A failure to apologize only fosters the notion that the offender is not sorry for what he said. It takes a great deal of courage to apologize for a mistake but in truth, it should be done. Enuf on that.

Re first time posters. There seems to be a notion amongst seniors that new posters should first post useful information before asking questions. Let me ask this. If a first time poster posted about a girl, would he be slammed for promoting someone? Would you be suspicious of his motives? Cop, pimp, setup, or someone just trying to get cred?

You can't have it both ways.

Isn't it more normal for a first time poster to ask questions?

On the webpage for Milwaukee, click on number of posts, for example, under Backpage reviews, there are over 7,000 posts. Look how many people posted less than 3 times. Where are those people now? Why did they leave the forum? They took the time to register for the forum, most are probably are still in the hunt. Where are they? Were they chased away? Imagine if just half remained on the forum and posted Backpage reviews. Imagine how much information would be available to us. Not only for finding good reliable providers, but keeping us safe.

So let's welcome everyone. There will always be bad eggs turning up but let's not chase them off before they have had a chance.

T-Man.

[Fanofhg22]

Wow, lot's of good points here. As someone that was slammed for being too open in one of my first reports, I have to admit that many of you have enjoyed that same woman. Deb from the Stevens Point Wausau area that provides a tremendous massage. There is a fine line but none of us know exactly where the line gets crossed so let's have an open mind.


Now that the dust has settled I hope members can get back on the path for which the forum was intended.

However a couple of points need to be made. The comments were clearly harsh. I am much more favorably disposed to someone who admits a mistake and sincerely apologizes. A failure to apologize only fosters the notion that the offender is not sorry for what he said. It takes a great deal of courage to apologize for a mistake but in truth, it should be done. Enuf on that.

Re first time posters. There seems to be a notion amongst seniors that new posters should first post useful information before asking questions. Let me ask this. If a first time poster posted about a girl, would he be slammed for promoting someone? Would you be suspicious of his motives? Cop, pimp, setup, or someone just trying to get cred?

You can't have it both ways.

Isn't it more normal for a first time poster to ask questions?

On the webpage for Milwaukee, click on number of posts, for example, under Backpage reviews, there are over 7,000 posts. Look how many people posted less than 3 times. Where are those people now? Why did they leave the forum? They took the time to register for the forum, most are probably are still in the hunt. Where are they? Were they chased away? Imagine if just half remained on the forum and posted Backpage reviews. Imagine how much information would be available to us. Not only for finding good reliable providers, but keeping us safe.

So let's welcome everyone. There will always be bad eggs turning up but let's not chase them off before they have had a chance.

T-Man.

[Admin2]

This is why guys that bash noobs for asking questions pisses me off.

ScooterAllCity;.

3rd post;.


Drove around Tues night from 9:30 until midnight and what a waste.Hit the north and south and even downtown for nothing.What's up with that?I was hoping to score a mini skirted high heeled cutie pie last night but I came up empty.Any suggestions?Yes he provided info but notice the last two words.

8th post;.


I drove the north side all the way up to Silver Spring and it sure was quiet. Nothing downtown or on Lisbon, North and Center streets. The weather was decent but no girls.Where are they?Same thing, notice the last three words.

ItaloSamoa.

Excerpt from 8th post;.


WOW! ... She's gorgeous! I NEED SOME DETAILS! "$300 for whatever I like" sounds pretty sweet to me!When nothing was forthcoming in his next post he is LITERALLY begging.


I need some details on her, seriously Mph. Be a bud and give me a few, PLEASE.So from now on, until the end of time, neither one of you guys are allowed to say a SINGLE WORD about new guys asking for info. Not a single word. As always you don't have to respond, you may add the member asking to your ignore list if you wish, but one more time, you may not say a single fucking word about them giving before they get.

Note; that last bit is in blue.

A2

[Permanent Wood]

This is why guys that bash noobs for asking questions pisses me off.

ScooterAllCity;.

3rd post;. "Drove around Tues night from 9:30 until midnight and what a waste.Hit the north and south and even downtown for nothing.What's up with that?I was hoping to score a mini skirted high heeled cutie pie last night but I came up empty.Any suggestions? "

Yes he provided info but notice the last two words.

8th post;. "I drove the north side all the way up to Silver Spring and it sure was quiet. Nothing downtown or on Lisbon, North and Center streets. The weather was decent but no girls.Where are they? "

Same thing, notice the last three words.

The Admin2 did some diggin' - got to appreciate that. Well I'm noticing the last two words and respectively the last three. Questions sure but only after some substance is given and nothing remotely specific asked. Basically posed in a way to encourage the flow of conversation to continue. Reading these forums going way back to the early 2000's you pick up a feel for the individual members. We don't have avatars or signature lines, just our username and our words. Now if I didn't read a fittingly blunt, but done in a humorous way, post by ScooterAllCity I would be left wondering if his user account hadn't been hijacked. I can't count the times he's posted in his way and took the words from my mouth, many times glad it was he who said it though, and not me LOL.

[ScooterAllCity]

The Admin2 did some diggin' - got to appreciate that. Well I'm noticing the last two words and respectively the last three. Questions sure but only after some substance is given and nothing remotely specific asked. Basically posed in a way to encourage the flow of conversation to continue. Reading these forums going way back to the early 2000's you pick up a feel for the individual members. We don't have avatars or signature lines, just our username and our words. Now if I didn't read a fittingly blunt, but done in a humorous way, post by ScooterAllCity I would be left wondering if his user account hadn't been hijacked. I can't count the times he's posted in his way and took the words from my mouth, many times glad it was he who said it though, and not me LOL.LOL! I took the bullet for you again PW. Thanks for your support. At one time when two would have the same ideas you'd say great minds think alike. Now it's we put our heads together and make an ass. Oh well.

[ItaloSamoa]

None of this is in blue, you're welcome to respond because it's just me, not the admin.

Yes you were being harsh, had you got off your dead ass and typed "what is tagged" in google you would have found it's a social media site. Had you not taken the time to write something stupid, but searched a little, you would have discovered that it's a social media site with a lot of fucking hookers. However in your case, being a wise ass was more important than getting pussy.

I am very able, and yes it was harsh. It was a first time poster, new to the forum, and he got his ass jumped. Maybe it was the chick. Maybe, just maybe, it was the chick trying to clue you knuckleheads into the fact that she was on tagged trying to sell pussy. But again, punishing new guys is much more important than pussy.

And you, just don't get it.

I've said it before and I hope I don't have to say it again, getting new people here is fucking expensive as hell. You don't have to help them but these are you're choices.

1. Shut the fuck up about TELLING (rather than explaining) why guys have to give before they get. Or.

2. I will put you back on moderation and never take you off.

Hope it's getting warmer up there.

A2.That was really harsh A2, but you have my apologies. If MilwOldMan ever comes back I'll tell him I'm sorry for being so harsh to him and NO I never met Pinkybee420 from Tagged. Unfortunately since posting that it appears "he" never even came back to receive or see any responses.

I assure you from now on I WILL do everything in my very limited power to make a newbie feel welcome. I mean that sincerely because I would like to see the forum grow.

Also, I really did try to search TAGGED right before I made the response. This is absolutely true. BUT, it wanted me to join to see anything which I was unwilling to do. Thus, my response to the one post wonder known forever as MilwaukeeOldMan. I did not feel it was sincere, but who am I to judge?

[ItaloSamoa]

ItaloSamoa.

Excerpt from 8th post;.

When nothing was forthcoming in his next post he is LITERALLY begging.

So from now on, until the end of time, neither one of you guys are allowed to say a SINGLE WORD about new guys asking for info. Not a single word. As always you don't have to respond, you may add the member asking to your ignore list if you wish, but one more time, you may not say a single fucking word about them giving before they get.

Note; that last bit is in blue.

A2The question I might ask, having read the forum before ever posting, is what were my first posts like?

Did I promote another site and never return?

Just sayin.

[Admin2]

I get it, I do, the hobby is against the law up there and you guys can suffer disastrous fucking consequences for getting busted. There is ALWAYS going to be an element of "who the fuck are you and why are you asking these questions" directed at the new guys. If I didn't live in a country where I could ask a lady cop IN UNIFORM (politely) "hey, when you get off work would you like to earn some extra money?" I would probably be much like you guys.

Submitted for your consideration;.

Noob questions generally fall into three categories.

1. Procedural; "I texted this chick on backpage and she answered blah. What the fuck does that mean?" The brother isn't asking for a handout, he's looking to be instructed on what to do with the chick he's trying to land his own damn self. He's not looking for somebody to tell him who to fuck, he's asking what he needs to do to fuck her. I personally would answer questions like that with the admonishment to come back and share after he did. He's the one trying to learn how to fish.

2. Guys that don't have a clue; "Has anybody fucked X from why?" They haven't taken the time to read the forum and get clued in on why you should give before you get. I would respond (if I felt like it) along the lines of "New brother, it is generally accepted on this forum that a new guy needs to get known a little before he will start getting information here. The reasons for that should be obvious to you if you think about it a little. Once you have built up a bit of a reputation you will probably find that people will be willing to answer questions like that but until you do, you probably won't get much information back. " There is nothing argumentative in that statement, you are taking the time to explain, nicely, the customs of this forum. That is part of how good seniors help develop new guys. If they are at all reasonable they will thank you and do it. If they come swinging back at you, then we have uncovered a troll, I can ban them, you can ignore them and everybody moves on. If they do it and I miss it, please report it, I promise you I will hammer them.

2. Lazy motherfucking douchebags; "Who should I fuck?" Add them to your ignore list, they are probably trolls looking to start a fight.

Scooter and Italio, you guys are very well respected members here and regardless of whether you believe it or not we value your contributions. We simply could not have a forum without guys like you. The only thing I'm trying to get rid of is the knee jerk reactions that run off guys in group 2 that given time would develop into good members.

In the review threads if you don't feel like doing what I said in two you don't have to. You're more than welcomed to ignore them. If you want to bring that shit here again, dig in. I would ask that you wait until some guy has posted several times asking endless questions before you do but you don't have to. My prohibition about talking about questions doesn't extend to the fight thread or saying something like I wrote above.

At the end of the day we have the same agenda, a better forum.

A2.

P.S. , Scooter I admit, calling those posts asking questions was a stretch and your first 7 posts were genuine reports, I was just trying to make a point. For what it's worth, my first 10 posts were nothing but "who can I fuck" posts. Embarrassing I know, but not liking a truth doesn't change it.

[ScooterAllCity]

Scooter and Italio, you guys are very well respected members here and regardless of whether you believe it or not we value your contributions. We simply could not have a forum without guys like you.P.S. , Scooter I admit, calling those posts asking questions was a stretch and your first 7 posts were genuine reports, I was just trying to make a point. For what it's worth, my first 10 posts were nothing but "who can I fuck" posts. Embarrassing I know, but not liking a truth doesn't change it.Thanks for the positive comments regarding me and my contributions here over the years. I think IItalio feels the same. I feel he has added great information in his posts since he came aboard. On your other comment I wanted to call you on that as I thought it was a very weak argument. I tried to go back to my very early posts but I only could pull up the last 199. Again thank you and I hope to keep being a contributing member here. It was so long ago I'm wondering what my initial posts were.

[Admin2]

Thanks for the positive comments regarding me and my contributions here over the years. I think IItalio feels the same. I feel he has added great information in his posts since he came aboard. On your other comment I wanted to call you on that as I thought it was a very weak argument. I tried to go back to my very early posts but I only could pull up the last 199. Again thank you and I hope to keep being a contributing member here. It was so long ago I'm wondering what my initial posts were.1st post 06/11/2006 (four months after joining).


Drove the north side looking this morning and came across nothing.Totally a shock that there were no walkers.2nd; 07/06/06 (now I woulda threw a flag for the jail thing).


I met a girl after speaking to her on a chat line about a year ago. She was black in her 30's very attractive with no kids and an ass too die for. She lived in the area of 10th and Center around North Division. Can't seem to track her down anymore. I think that her name is Gail. I thought she may have a Crack problem and is either in jail, treatment or maybe not alive anymore. Is anybody famaliar with this woman? She use to dress hot and really enjoyed the fucking.3rd; 08/09/06 well we already saw that.

4th; 08/30/06.


I was out sniffing from 9:30 last night until 11:00 and it was extremly quiet. I stayed on the north loop.You would think being the end of the month there would be alot of activity. No SW whatsoever.Like I said, I had to stretch to put you on blast. Now Italio was strait up fucking begging, I'm sticking to that story.

I meant what I said about you two. We may have to tussle from time to time, it's the nature of my job, but the forum would be dead if it wasn't for the 5 or 6 thousand guys like you we have.

You can put me on blast on this thread if I'm not writing in blue. When I'm writing with normal ink like this I'm just another asshole.

A2.

[ScooterAllCity]

1st post 06/11/2006 (four months after joining).

2nd; 07/06/06 (now I woulda threw a flag for the jail thing).

3rd; 08/09/06 well we already saw that.

4th; 08/30/06.

Like I said, I had to stretch to put you on blast. Now Italio was strait up fucking begging, I'm sticking to that story.

I meant what I said about you two. We may have to tussle from time to time, it's the nature of my job, but the forum would be dead if it wasn't for the 5 or 6 thousand guys like you we have.

You can put me on blast on this thread if I'm not writing in blue. When I'm writing with normal ink like this I'm just another asshole.

A2.Thanks for digging those out of the archives for me. Hard to believe its been almost nine years.And it sure makes me think about Gail. Many of wild times with her but to this day still MIA.

[SlowGuard2004]

I am not form Milwaukee but I do go there on business a few times a year. I do not contribute much as I don't believe a guy who shows up three or four times a year should be wasting your time reporting on what most of you guys already know. But I did wan to tell you I appreciate the feed back that you post here. It helps a guy like me partake with out the risk of playing in the wrong neighborhoods with the wrong people. Oh and how can people not be entertaing by lefty. Thanks guys!

[ItaloSamoa]

Scooter and Italio, you guys are very well respected members here and regardless of whether you believe it or not we value your contributions. We simply could not have a forum without guys like you. The only thing I'm trying to get rid of is the knee jerk reactions that run off guys in group 2 that given time would develop into good members.

In the review threads if you don't feel like doing what I said in two you don't have to. You're more than welcomed to ignore them. If you want to bring that shit here again, dig in. I would ask that you wait until some guy has posted several times asking endless questions before you do but you don't have to. My prohibition about talking about questions doesn't extend to the fight thread or saying something like I wrote above.

At the end of the day we have the same agenda, a better forum.

A2.

P.S. , Scooter I admit, calling those posts asking questions was a stretch and your first 7 posts were genuine reports, I was just trying to make a point. For what it's worth, my first 10 posts were nothing but "who can I fuck" posts. Embarrassing I know, but not liking a truth doesn't change it.So, here's my plan for the future with NOOB's here.

If I see a NOOB I believe is insincere, I'm going to say nothing whatsoever.

If I see a NOOB who appears to be sincere, I'm going to do my best to make them a good contributing member.

I think it's a pretty good plan. No?

Two fucking thumbs up from me.

A2

[ItaloSamoa]

Thanks for digging those out of the archives for me. Hard to believe its been almost nine years.And it sure makes me think about Gail. Many of wild times with her but to this day still MIA.I remember when I was new here, not nearly as long ago as you ScooterAC, I was aware that I didn't simply want to be needy and for a while just read what others had posted and made it my mission to make some real contributions.

I think that's important when you want to be a member of the club. And it didn't take long, even with some seniors I had a tiff or two with to gain credibility.

I may not be like a lot of others, but for me, that was my own personal litmus test to provide the forum for my acceptance.

[ItaloSamoa]

Like I said, I had to stretch to put you on blast. Now Italio was strait up fucking begging, I'm sticking to that story.

I meant what I said about you two. We may have to tussle from time to time, it's the nature of my job, but the forum would be dead if it wasn't for the 5 or 6 thousand guys like you we have.

You can put me on blast on this thread if I'm not writing in blue. When I'm writing with normal ink like this I'm just another asshole.

A2.I was straight up excited to meet that girl, but sadly never got to. I do believe I had at least a couple more posts than MilwOldMan actually offering information.

I also had 800% more posts than he did at that point, LOL.

[OlderFunGuy]

I was sentenced to six months in the moderation penalty box. To the best of my memory the I was supposed to be out of the penalty box on March 15th hasn't happened yet. How do I get reinstated to full senior member status?

What made you think you would be off moderation in six months? Why do you think you will ever have your posts go live again without being checked? You had that and decided to abuse it by abusing another member. Your use of the exclamation marks seem to indicate that this is something you feel you deserve and have been slighted from?

Why are you writing me here instead of using the contact us link or sending me a PM? This could have been done in private.

A2

[Oakly]

I was watching some porn a little while ago. The scene was a creampie scene where the guy was banging a cute girl. Right before he cums he blurts out "I'm going to cum dude".

"Dude"? Seriously? I'm guessing that he was prompting the camera man so he knew when to get a good shot but for a video where it is supposed to be just a couple in the room it sounds downright weird.

[HornyBald341]

You find a great provider, someone who turns the phone off, clean place, no pimp, great body, no rush and pays 110% attention to you and this.

Time after only 1 date gone. At least the last one I had found stayed around for 10 dates although overslept or other excuses a couple of times.

Well guess I will have to start looking again or is it time to retire? HB.

[X Factor414]

You find a great provider, someone who turns the phone off, clean place, no pimp, great body, no rush and pays 110% attention to you and this.

Time after only 1 date gone. At least the last one I had found stayed around for 10 dates although overslept or other excuses a couple of times.

Well guess I will have to start looking again or is it time to retire? HB.Doesn't matter to us either way seeing as you don't share anything of value. Ie reports on providers you've seen.

But best of luck either way.

[Msteresc]

Doesn't matter to us either way seeing as you don't share anything of value. Ie reports on providers you've seen.

But best of luck either way.Well said "X". 4 posts and is having problems, if he would tell us about the lady's he see and provide support to the cause, I would care a bit. Though I haven't added anything in awhile as I'm not active, I still read and soak in the information and I thank all who provide info.

Thanks.

[Original13]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3076329/One-said-stop-frightening-wouldn-t-able-aroused-Man-drugged-raped-three-dressed-South-African-women-BMW-steal-semen-tells-MailOnline-horrific-ordeal.html

[Daprip]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3076329/One-said-stop-frightening-wouldn-t-able-aroused-Man-drugged-raped-three-dressed-South-African-women-BMW-steal-semen-tells-MailOnline-horrific-ordeal.htmlNot sure why anyone would like someone to be abducted and raped but each to his own I guess.

[SnurgleWump]

Doesn't matter to us either way seeing as you don't share anything of value. Ie reports on providers you've seen.

But best of luck either way.This is the rants, raves, and opinions section. I think he was just venting.

[Whistles]

Just thought I'd let the forum know I'm moving to the DC / MD / VA area. I've appreciated all the info on this forum the last several years and hope I've contributed some back. I've especially enjoyed the PMs with many of you. I'm sure I'll visit now and again, but for the most part I'm off. I've started reading up on local forums and it sucks being the newbie again. Stay safe and have fun, all.

[FerrariForMe]

Just thought I'd let the forum know I'm moving to the DC / MD / VA area. I've appreciated all the info on this forum the last several years and hope I've contributed some back. I've especially enjoyed the PMs with many of you. I'm sure I'll visit now and again, but for the most part I'm off. I've started reading up on local forums and it sucks being the newbie again. Stay safe and have fun, all.You've been a great help to members on this forum and to me personally through PM. You will be missed.

Happy hunting, stay safe and don't be a stranger.

FFM.

[ScooterAllCity]

Just thought I'd let the forum know I'm moving to the DC / MD / VA area. I've appreciated all the info on this forum the last several years and hope I've contributed some back. I've especially enjoyed the PMs with many of you. I'm sure I'll visit now and again, but for the most part I'm off. I've started reading up on local forums and it sucks being the newbie again. Stay safe and have fun, all.Good luck!!

[NewtonBomb]

Why can't these girls dress in something better? I've been to a few Asian places now and I'm getting tired of the way they dress. Old, loose fitting jeans, multiple layers on top and my favorite (sarc) the heavy wools socks with flip-flops. When I first went to NM, the mamas an was dressed in a frilly nighty type thing, gave me a nice table shower and then passed me off to Cindy. Since then I haven't seen one of these girls wearing anything nice. They look like they showed up to help me move. I'm tempted to bring something along that they can change into, but not sure how it would be received.

[Acrovader7]

One of my peeves, though relatively minor, about hooking up with an escort on Back Page (or where ever) is that they are all dolled up for their pictures (slutty makeup and lipstick, tongue ring, lingerie) but when you go to meet them it's something different altogether. It's so much better getting a BJ when the check has on sexy makeup and tongue ring. Of course, I can never bring myself to ask them to prepare for the occasion on the phone- or even when I first get there. No biggie, but it helps set the stage for a really fun time.

[Acrovader7]

Why can't these girls dress in something better? I've been to a few Asian places now and I'm getting tired of the way they dress. Old, loose fitting jeans, multiple layers on top and my favorite (sarc) the heavy wools socks with flip-flops. When I first went to NM, the mamas an was dressed in a frilly nighty type thing, gave me a nice table shower and then passed me off to Cindy. Since then I haven't seen one of these girls wearing anything nice. They look like they showed up to help me move. I'm tempted to bring something along that they can change into, but not sure how it would be received.The girls I had seen at the North Ave location dress relatively provocatively, or at least they did. I haven't been there for over a month. Playing with a sweet pussy through skintight yoga pants does it for me.

[Acrovader7]

I've been on the fence for this for some time now. It's hard to resist a hot, college girl. But now that my niece is of that age, it feels awkward lusting over a girl her age. She's very attractive, but it creeps me out that some guy my age (41) or older could be lusting after her. Watching one getting jiggy with Peter North is one thing. But last year I saw a girl, pretty young (maybe around 20), although definitely not pornstar material, that felt awkward. I knew she was relatively new to being a escort, but I really wanted to just cut it short and leave. I wanted to tell her that she really needs to run away from this lifestyle while she's still young, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. She was living with her handler (a girl several years older, who was pretty strung out from drug abuse) in a pretty rough neighborhood. It seems the older I get, the more my conscious makes itself known.

[GoaTrail]

I've been on the fence for this for some time now. It's hard to resist a hot, college girl. But now that my niece is of that age, it feels awkward lusting over a girl her age. She's very attractive, but it creeps me out that some guy my age (41) or older could be lusting after her. Watching one getting jiggy with Peter North is one thing. But last year I saw a girl, pretty young (maybe around 20), although definitely not pornstar material, that felt awkward. I knew she was relatively new to being a escort, but I really wanted to just cut it short and leave. I wanted to tell her that she really needs to run away from this lifestyle while she's still young, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. She was living with her handler (a girl several years older, who was pretty strung out from drug abuse) in a pretty rough neighborhood. It seems the older I get, the more my conscious makes itself known.I feel the same way about young girls like some creepy old dude but I'm not attracted to women that are worn out with multiple children and age so its just what I deal with I treat them better than a kid half my age so I take comfort in that.

[DieselMike]

I've been on the fence for this for some time now. It's hard to resist a hot, college girl. But now that my niece is of that age, it feels awkward lusting over a girl her age. She's very attractive, but it creeps me out that some guy my age (41) or older could be lusting after her. Watching one getting jiggy with Peter North is one thing. But last year I saw a girl, pretty young (maybe around 20), although definitely not pornstar material, that felt awkward. I knew she was relatively new to being a escort, but I really wanted to just cut it short and leave. I wanted to tell her that she really needs to run away from this lifestyle while she's still young, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. She was living with her handler (a girl several years older, who was pretty strung out from drug abuse) in a pretty rough neighborhood. It seems the older I get, the more my conscious makes itself known.I must be a perv. No problems at all with younger women. And yeah; us older guys probably take better care of them than the punks.

[KingSalami]

I must be a perv. No problems at all with younger women. And yeah; us older guys probably take better care of them than the punks.18-21 is always a treat!

[ThotSlap]

Why can't these girls dress in something better? I've been to a few Asian places now and I'm getting tired of the way they dress. Old, loose fitting jeans, multiple layers on top and my favorite (sarc) the heavy wools socks with flip-flops. When I first went to NM, the mamas an was dressed in a frilly nighty type thing, gave me a nice table shower and then passed me off to Cindy. Since then I haven't seen one of these girls wearing anything nice. They look like they showed up to help me move. I'm tempted to bring something along that they can change into, but not sure how it would be received.I've never found it to be a problem bringing **** wear to a provider to wear.

Just don't expect to get it back. Biggest problem I have is how much to spend.

Porn shops usually have fish nets and cat suits for under 10 bucks. You can get a pair of sexy yoga style shorts and a matching tank for 10 bucks at walmart.

Get them feeling sexy and they act sexy.

[ScooterAllCity]

18-21 is always a treat!I appreciate them a bit older as they seem to know more about what they're doing. Like 25 and up.

[ScooterAllCity]

I've never found it to be a problem bringing **** wear to a provider to wear.
Just don't expect to get it back. Biggest problem I have is how much to spend.
Get them feeling sexy and they act sexy.100% correct. Most girls really appreciate it. But why would you want it back?

[ThotSlap]

100% correct. Most girls really appreciate it. But why would you want it back?Many years ago during a divorse I reclaimed the lingerie I had given my x on the grounds I didn't want her wearing it for other men.

There was this one evening dress that was by no means cheap and it was quite hot. I have since gotten 5 providers to wear and return it.

Yea I know cheap thrills. I wish I had her wedding dress.

[NewtonBomb]

100% correct. Most girls really appreciate it. But why would you want it back?Back in the good old days, (about 10 yrs ago) I did bring a piece of sexy lingerie that I got at a porn store for about $10 to a provider. She acted really put-upon to wear it, complained that it was uncomfortable, and quickly discarded it when we got down to busyness. Kind of like my wife used to do. LOL.

[NewtonBomb]

I've been on the fence for this for some time now. It's hard to resist a hot, college girl. But now that my niece is of that age, it feels awkward lusting over a girl her age. She's very attractive, but it creeps me out that some guy my age (41) or older could be lusting after her. Watching one getting jiggy with Peter North is one thing. But last year I saw a girl, pretty young (maybe around 20), although definitely not pornstar material, that felt awkward. I knew she was relatively new to being a escort, but I really wanted to just cut it short and leave. I wanted to tell her that she really needs to run away from this lifestyle while she's still young, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. She was living with her handler (a girl several years older, who was pretty strung out from drug abuse) in a pretty rough neighborhood. It seems the older I get, the more my conscious makes itself known.I don't have a problem with the age as much as the resemblance. I can't see a leggy brunette with long hair without thinking about my daughter. Ginger girls make me think about my daughter in law. I guess I feel too protective of them to lust after someone they resemble. As far as the age thing alone, I came to grips with the fact that men of all ages are going to lust after my daughter so I don't feel bad about lusting after theirs'.

[Stabbin Cabin]

100% correct. Most girls really appreciate it. But why would you want it back?Wants it back so the girl does not sabotage him probably.

Had an experience where I was fingering a chick and found a rain jacket up there already. Love the thrill of this but man I do not think I can deal with things like that. Things can turn quick in this hobby.

[ScooterAllCity]

Back in the good old days, (about 10 yrs ago) I did bring a piece of sexy lingerie that I got at a porn store for about $10 to a provider. She acted really put-upon to wear it, complained that it was uncomfortable, and quickly discarded it when we got down to busyness. Kind of like my wife used to do. LOL.That's why you pay them, to leave. With an arritude like that she'd be a one and done. Complain, complain,complain. Who needs it?.

[ScooterAllCity]

Wants it back so the girl does not sabotage him probably.

Had an experience where I was fingering a chick and found a rain jacket up there already. Love the thrill of this but man I do not think I can deal with things like that. Things can turn quick in this hobby.We're talking about lingerie and other clothing that you'd give to a girl to wear. Not a condom.

[ScooterAllCity]

Many years ago during a divorse I reclaimed the lingerie I had given my x on the grounds I didn't want her wearing it for other men.There was this one evening dress that was by no means cheap and it was quite hot. I have since gotten 5 providers to wear and return it.
Yea I know cheap thrills. I wish I had her wedding dress.That evening dress is quite different than buying a $10 piece of lingerie. That would stay with me also.