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Admin
12-31-99, 20:00
Ok, here you go. There will be VERY little moderation on this thread. Pretty much the same rules as are in The Octagon apply here. This is a hard hat area.

Flame on,

A2

Carnicero
07-28-14, 19:25
I respectfully disagree. I am neither a half-wit, a moron, nor stupid. Your point about the "let's see you do better" defense is appropriate in some circumstances but not in others. There are at least two exceptions as to when the defense is appropriate. The first is when the activity criticized takes no special skills. Using your example of a coach, a CEO, a doctor, a judge, an athlete, or the president, these are all activities that take special skills. Very few people have them so the "let's see you do better" defense may not be appropriate because everyone knows that you don't have the skills. It becomes a meaningless defense. But taking pictures doesn't require any special skills. Anyone can do it. Just point the camera and push that little button called the shutter. The second example of when it is appropriate is when the criticism is communicated directly to and is a personal attack on the person. If you are in a crowded bar and say that Bruce Springsteen is a lousy singer, you might start an argument but no one in the crowd is likely to ask you to do better. On the other hand, if you are at a concert and see Springsteen and go up to him and say to his face that you are a lousy singer, he may just hand you his guitar and tell you go on stage and do it better. In the present case, Sam communicated his criticism both personally and directly to me. He now seems to say that he was just making innocent remarks and wanted to see something different. But he called my photographs "gross" and "a turn off. " I think most guys would take that as a personal insult. I think I am entitled to defend myself anyway I deem appropriate. As I said before, anyone can take photographs. My "let's see you do better" defense was both invited and properly invoked. In this particular case I am focusing on the man, because it is the man who is attacking. Besides, this is the Octagon. Where else can I call someone a Shithead and not be placed on moderation. BTW, not every girl can give a good blowjob. It takes some skills. :DMy apologies, Glock but I have to respectfully disagree with one point. Apparently it does NOT take any special skills and / or experience to be president. Case in point, we have a community organizer (whatever the fuck that is), jr senator who has never had a real job running the country into the ground. And don't anyone say the stock market is an indicator he is doing a good job. I could be living in a mansion, driving a Mercedes and eating Filet Mignon every night by just writing checks on an empty account. The national debt will be 22 trillion plus by the time Hillary takes her turn ruining the country.

Just saying. Glad this is the Rants thread.

D Nut
07-28-14, 21:18
My apologies, Glock but I have to respectfully disagree with one point. Apparently it does NOT take any special skills and / or experience to be president. Case in point, we have a community organizer (whatever the fuck that is), jr senator who has never had a real job running the country into the ground. And don't anyone say the stock market is an indicator he is doing a good job. I could be living in a mansion, driving a Mercedes and eating Filet Mignon every night by just writing checks on an empty account. The national debt will be 22 trillion plus by the time Hillary takes her turn ruining the country.

Just saying. Glad this is the Rants thread.Just to correct you beyond one of Fox's favorite bullet point, President Obama wasn't just a "community organizer". He has a law degree, and for 12 years was a law professor at the University of Chicago School of Law teaching Constitutional Law. Unemployment is down since he took office, the DOW has never been higher, home values are close to where they were before his predecessor let that housing market meltdown happen, troops are coming home, and more Americans have covered healthcare than ever before (despite Republicans trying 50 times to take it away). What have you done?

I take it you'll be one of the people who will pay $9. 99/ month to subscribe to Sarah Palin's online channel to hear her talk about the news and only she can make it up.

Member #4637
07-29-14, 07:40
Just to correct you beyond one of Fox's favorite bullet point, President Obama wasn't just a "community organizer". He has a law degree, and for 12 years was a law professor at the University of Chicago School of Law teaching Constitutional Law. Unemployment is down since he took office, the DOW has never been higher, home values are close to where they were before his predecessor let that housing market meltdown happen, troops are coming home, and more Americans have covered healthcare than ever before (despite Republicans trying 50 times to take it away). What have you done?

I take it you'll be one of the people who will pay $9. 99/ month to subscribe to Sarah Palin's online channel to hear her talk about the news and only she can make it up.I usually save my political commentary for other sites, but I couldn't resist responding.

Barack was never a "Law Professor" as you and his supporters continue to claim. He was a "guest lecturer" for some classes at University of Chicago School of Law. He never authored a single law as US Senator and never held an executive or management position before being elected POTUS. His record on unemployement is abysmal, as we have now reached the lowest workforce participation rate since the Great Malaise period of Jimmy Carter's regime. For those of you in Rio Linda, that means we now have the smallest (lowest) percentage of work eligible Americans employed than ever before (and the highest percentage of Americans on the government dole). The "Unemployment Rate" does not count those who drop out of the workforce and give up looking for work as "unemploeyd". The stock market is being artificially boosted by our borrow (at zero interest) and spend like drunken sailors monetary policy and will eventually collapse. Housing is rebounding because of population growth from illegal immigration (increased demand -economic forces BO could probably not understand). And no, health care coverage has NOT expanded to more people under the ACA. It's only become more expensive for those who provide it (employers) and those who can afford it (the shrinking ranks of the gainfully employed).

You forgot to throw in the old campain line "Osama is dead and GM is alive", although Al Qaida is now stronger than ever and GM has set a new record for recalled autos.

And, no, I won't be subscribing to Sarah Palin's channel.

Cheech1
07-29-14, 10:56
Just to correct you beyond one of Fox's favorite bullet point, President Obama wasn't just a "community organizer". He has a law degree, and for 12 years was a law professor at the University of Chicago School of Law teaching Constitutional Law. Unemployment is down since he took office, the DOW has never been higher, home values are close to where they were before his predecessor let that housing market meltdown happen, troops are coming home, and more Americans have covered healthcare than ever before (despite Republicans trying 50 times to take it away). What have you done?

I take it you'll be one of the people who will pay $9. 99/ month to subscribe to Sarah Palin's online channel to hear her talk about the news and only she can make it up.Funny, his law degree was supposedly from Columbia University, yet no grads there will admit to having known him, or been a member of his class. I could go on, but this is not a political forum. And by the way, the DOW is breaking records and housing prices are higher because the money they are printing out of nowhere has to find a place to roost, that place is primarily housing and stocks; and when the financial collapse which inevitably comes from printing money out of nowhere comes, (unless Obama or the next moron starts WWIII first) you will get a chance first hand to learn about economics. Sorry, I went on. Just ask the Romans. Or the Germans, the Argentinians, the Zimbabweans, and any other civilization whose leaders have printed money from nothing for the last 2,500 years. And oh yeah, I just saw a youtube post of Obama making a speech where he says the ordinary people (that's you and me) are too small minded to make decisions for themselves, and for the good of the greater order the people have to give up their rights to a supreme leader. Hitler, anyone?

Cheech.

Ktom13
07-29-14, 12:03
Well said Cheech1, don't think I could have said that any better myself, nuff said, now back to mongering.


Funny, his law degree was supposedly from Columbia University, yet no grads there will admit to having known him, or been a member of his class. I could go on, but this is not a political forum. And by the way, the DOW is breaking records and housing prices are higher because the money they are printing out of nowhere has to find a place to roost, that place is primarily housing and stocks; and when the financial collapse which inevitably comes from printing money out of nowhere comes, (unless Obama or the next moron starts WWIII first) you will get a chance first hand to learn about economics. Sorry, I went on. Just ask the Romans. Or the Germans, the Argentinians, the Zimbabweans, and any other civilization whose leaders have printed money from nothing for the last 2,500 years. And oh yeah, I just saw a youtube post of Obama making a speech where he says the ordinary people (that's you and me) are too small minded to make decisions for themselves, and for the good of the greater order the people have to give up their rights to a supreme leader. Hitler, anyone?

Cheech.

SimonPieMan
07-29-14, 13:32
Just to correct you beyond one of Fox's favorite bullet point, President Obama wasn't just a "community organizer". He has a law degree, and for 12 years was a law professor at the University of Chicago School of Law teaching Constitutional Law. Unemployment is down since he took office, the DOW has never been higher, home values are close to where they were before his predecessor let that housing market meltdown happen, troops are coming home, and more Americans have covered healthcare than ever before (despite Republicans trying 50 times to take it away). What have you done?

I take it you'll be one of the people who will pay $9. 99/ month to subscribe to Sarah Palin's online channel to hear her talk about the news and only she can make it up.D, Do you think he's doing a good job as President?

Sincerely,

Simon.

Glockman
07-29-14, 14:14
D, Do you think he's doing a good job as President?

Sincerely,

Simon.Well, he's no Bill Clinton. That fucker could smell pussy a mile away. Any president that a stripper from Little Rock says can eat pussy like a champ gets my vote.

SimonPieMan
07-29-14, 14:25
Well, he's no Bill Clinton. That fucker could smell pussy a mile away. Any president that a stripper from Little Rock says can eat pussy like a champ gets my vote.That's true, but I can't even begin to imagine he honed his skills on Hillary. UGH!

Member #5083
07-29-14, 15:31
Just to correct you beyond one of Fox's favorite bullet point, President Obama wasn't just a "community organizer". He has a law degree, and for 12 years was a law professor at the University of Chicago School of Law teaching Constitutional Law. Unemployment is down since he took office, the DOW has never been higher, home values are close to where they were before his predecessor let that housing market meltdown happen, troops are coming home, and more Americans have covered healthcare than ever before (despite Republicans trying 50 times to take it away). What have you done?

I take it you'll be one of the people who will pay $9. 99/ month to subscribe to Sarah Palin's online channel to hear her talk about the news and only she can make it up.No one is saying Obama isn't smart but he is definitely a weak, incompetent president who has his head in the sand. Maybe he should be participating in a "think tank" somewhere to benefit society with his intellect? He should not be representing the US. A college professor and a law degree is not really that impressive of a resume for the presidency. The stock market performance is largely due to low interest rates and quantitative easement, which is a FED policy that has been going on prior to his presidency. There is nowhere else to put the money. The US economy is cyclical and would have improved at some point no matter who was president, but unemployment is still relatively high and the jobs that are available are mostly unskilled, low paying ones. The economy would have come surging back without the stimulus and the shoring up of the union pensions. A pre-packaged chapter 11 would have done GM & the economy much better.

As far as Bush creating the crisis in housing, you can thank two Democrats by the name of Dodd & Frank for the Community Reinvestment Act in 1994 which basically said everyone deserves a home and pressured lenders to make loans to subprime borrows, much of it racially based, and by large part federally guaranteed by Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac. Bush's mistake was he didn't eliminate the Act. But that would have made the press vilify him even more. Obama is still getting a pass by the press. If Bush were faced with the border crisis, the IRS Scandal, Benghazi and the foreign policy situations in the Ukraine and Gaza, the press would be crucifying him. It's too early to claim healthcare as a victory because the employer mandates haven't hit yet and it hasn't been determined to what extent people are being subsidized by the government of being placed on Medicaid. Obama could care less about the average guy. He is all about politics and ideology. His solution to illegal immigration is just a Democrat voting registration campaign. I'll bet your favorite reading is Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky and Saul Alinsky?

D Nut
07-29-14, 16:26
D, Do you think he's doing a good job as President?

Sincerely,

Simon.I think the Republicans are doing a great job of being obstructionists. They have control of the Lower House so very little has been done. Given that, what President Obama has been able to accomplish has been miraculous. He may have the title, but the right has done everything to make sure the White House has as little power as possible at the price of the welfare of the American people. Case in point. For 5 years after Katrina, the red states of Louisiana and Mississippi sucked on FEMA resources and federal emergency funding. 1 week after Hurricane Sandy hit the Eastern seaboard and devastated NewYork and NewJersey, the same congressmen from LA and MS who were asking for more hurricane relief just a few months earlier, were now on the House floor pushing to defund FEMA and the federal funds removed from the budget. Why? Because Gov. Chris Cristy shook the black man's hand when he came to inspect the damage.

Name one other bill in the history of the nation that has been tried to be repealed as much as The Affordable Care Act.

PillowTalk69
07-29-14, 17:49
I think the Republicans are doing a great job of being obstructionists. They have control of the Lower House so very little has been done. Given that, what President Obama has been able to accomplish has been miraculous. He may have the title, but the right has done everything to make sure the White House has as little power as possible at the price of the welfare of the American people. Case in point. For 5 years after Katrina, the red states of Louisiana and Mississippi sucked on FEMA resources and federal emergency funding. 1 week after Hurricane Sandy hit the Eastern seaboard and devastated NewYork and NewJersey, the same congressmen from LA and MS who were asking for more hurricane relief just a few months earlier, were now on the House floor pushing to defund FEMA and the federal funds removed from the budget. Why? Because Gov. Chris Cristy shook the black man's hand when he came to inspect the damage.

Name one other bill in the history of the nation that has been tried to be repealed as much as The Affordable Care Act.The republicans have sent the Senate over two hundred bills and Harry Reed has buried them and won't bring them to vote. You are right about ACA but name one other bill that was ever passed by only one party and when questioned Nancy Pelosi said we must pass it first then read it to see what it says. As for FEMA we saw how effective they were in Katrina 10000 temporary homes / trailers with held while people were learning to swim and Ray Nagins who has just been put in prison because the money sent down to build and reinforce levees was used for cut rate materials and pocketed by Ray and his croanies. BTW it was GovernorMary Landrieu who refused to evacuate NO and the coast and the idiots of Louisiana made her there Senator who VOTED for ACA and now won't even meet with Obama when he came to fund raise for her. NICE My suggestion A2 is put this in a political thread because after the midterms the repubs are going to control both houses and then let's see what Brother Reed and his croanies do when he is put in the back of the bus and can't do what he wants how he wants. Obama and Reed L osers.

ClassASweetie
07-29-14, 18:00
Guys you know I'm loath to moderate threads like this but the political thing should move to that thread. Or maybe it doesn't. What do the rest of you say?

A2I know this is political but this is a place for opinions and I actually find this quite interesting with all the different opinions on here.

TallGuy54
07-29-14, 18:18
The republicans have sent the Senate over two hundred bills and Harry Reed has buried them and won't bring them to vote. You are right about ACA but name one other bill that was ever passed by only one party and when questioned Nancy Pelosi said we must pass it first then read it to see what it says. As for FEMA we saw how effective they were in Katrina 10000 temporary homes / trailers with held while people were learning to swim and Ray Nagins who has just been put in prison because the money sent down to build and reinforce levees was used for cut rate materials and pocketed by Ray and his croanies. BTW it was GovernorMary Landrieu who refused to evacuate NO and the coast and the idiots of Louisiana made her there Senator who VOTED for ACA and now won't even meet with Obama when he came to fund raise for her. NICE My suggestion A2 is put this in a political thread because after the midterms the repubs are going to control both houses and then let's see what Brother Reed and his croanies do when he is put in the back of the bus and can't do what he wants how he wants. Obama and Reed L osers.Well said!

TallGuy54
07-29-14, 18:21
Guys you know I'm loath to moderate threads like this but the political thing should move to that thread. Or maybe it doesn't. What do the rest of you say?

A2And what thread would you want us to take it to?

I haven't seen a thread that says Politics, unless you want us to take it to General Topics.

D Nut
07-29-14, 18:31
I just saw a youtube post of Obama making a speech where he says the ordinary people (that's you and me) are too small minded to make decisions for themselves, and for the good of the greater order the people have to give up their rights to a supreme leader. Hitler, anyone?

Cheech.I know the exact video you are talking about. His part starts at the 27 second mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYH75mTrQDA).

However, and just to show you how amazing the lies that are being spun are, here is the FULL speech, without the creative editing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVZWLqkBtf0) You can start listening at the 2:40 mark; 3:05 if you can't spare the 25 seconds to fully grasp what he was saying.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

PillowTalk69
07-29-14, 18:48
Mary Landreu was NOT the Governor of the State but the Senator of Louisiana GW had asked her to begin evacuations of the state due to the NWServices forcast and she refused to order it so GW mandated withdrawl from then Mayor Ray Nagan Mary is up to her a hole in re election woes and it will be interesting to see if the people of Lousiana get rid of her and her brother Mitch who I believe is now the mayor of Lousiana and trying to convince the Blacks it was the white dude GW's fault for all the bad stuff happening to them since Katrina. Politics is CRUEL CRUEL CRUEL. But having family up North I can tell you LA has nothing on Chicago with Rahm Emmanuel the mayor and his impaired brother Ezekial who wrote most of the ACA and is proud of it. All you middle class folks who didn't sign up or even if ya did break out your wallets. 76 percent of the enrollees are from poor and medicare eligible people and OBIE WAN Obama assured us all that the middle class would be MORE THAN willing to pay and make up the difference Must have said that on the golf course or walking int a restaurant to treat people to a free lunch. But remember if you like your medical plan you can keep it PERIOD If you like your doctor you can keep him PERIOD, and if you like your Hospital you can keep it PERIOD After making those statements he backed up and said, WELL There is a chance I may have mistated those parts LMAO.

Admin2
07-29-14, 18:52
I know the exact video you are talking about. His part starts at the 27 second mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYH75mTrQDA).

However, and just to show you how amazing the lies that are being spun are, here is the FULL speech, without the creative editing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVZWLqkBtf0) You can start listening at the 2:40 mark; 3:05 if you can't spare the 25 seconds to fully grasp what he was saying.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.But this post illustrates EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

The Red State guys quote this part;
and for the international order that we have worked for generations to build. Ordinary men and women are too small-minded to govern their own affairs, that order and progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an all-powerful sovereign. Which sounds pretty fucking bad.

Except; he was arguing against that very thing when you read it in context.

"Leaders and dignitaries of the European Union, representatives of our NATO alliance, distinguished guests, we meet here at a moment of testing for Europe and the United States
and for the international order that we have worked for generations to build. Throughout human history, societies have grappled with fundamental questions of how to organize themselves, the proper relationship between the individual and the state, the best means to resolve the inevitable conflicts between states.

And it was here in Europe, through centuries of struggle, through war and enlightenment, repression and revolution, that a particular set of ideals began to emerge, the belief that through conscience and free will, each of us has the right to live as we choose, the belief that power is derived from the consent of the governed and that laws and institutions should be established to protect that understanding.

And those ideas eventually inspired a band of colonialists across an ocean, and they wrote them into the founding documents that still guide America today, including the simple truth that all men, and women, are created equal.

But those ideals have also been tested, here in Europe and around the world. Those ideals have often been threatened by an older, more traditional view of power. This alternative vision argues that
ordinary men and women are too small-minded to govern their own affairs, that order and progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an all-powerful sovereign. Often this alternative vision roots itself in the notion that by virtue of race or faith or ethnicity, some are inherently superior to others and that individual identity must be defined by us versus them, or that national greatness must flow not by what people stand for, but what they are against. ".

Personally I think the whole speech, EVERY speech for that matter, is nothing but bullshit. He signed the NDAA, and Bush signed the Patriot Act, it doesn't fucking matter which side of the aisle they are on. They ALL want your shit and they are happier than a pig in shit that this whole Red State V Blue State thing is happening because it's a distraction from the fact that BOTH sides are taking your liberties and money. Both sides are EQUALLY corrupt, Both sides could not fucking care less about the lot of ordinary men and women in this country. And that NEITHER side will do a better job.

Carlin was right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jQT7_rVxAE "Politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice". This is why I prefer to talk about pussy and why I don't live in the States anymore. It just doesn't fucking matter who gets elected because both sides do the same shit.

Wingman Todd
07-29-14, 20:48
A-2, I also am not a Ursurper Obama fan. I find him bent on bringing down the great country of the USA and has been pretty well been good at that with the be / s debt, the numerous scandals, supporting Hammas and other insurgents of the Muslisum faith he learns towards. He has turrned his back on our strong Mideast ally, Israel, backs funding to bring all the disease ridden kids from Central America and put in our over taxed and stressed economy. (I should say if any of your hot ladies wish to seek assuylm from Russia here I will be there sponsor! The lies in both sides of the party as no one has the balls to stand up and proclaim I am for what America used to be. Policical death! It's give me the PAC donations so I can become rich and not worry! But this will reveal itself in due time. I pray to God that what is going on in the Mideast and the Urcraine doesn't bring us deeper into WWW 3 or another 3rd world country. But that is just my humble thoughts. Please guys, you don't have to blow me up on this! God BLess the USA and our armed forces who give me the chance to write this! WM.


But this post illustrates EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

The Red State guys quote this part; Which sounds pretty fucking bad.

Except; he was arguing against that very thing when you read it in context.

"Leaders and dignitaries of the European Union, representatives of our NATO alliance, distinguished guests, we meet here at a moment of testing for Europe and the United States Throughout human history, societies have grappled with fundamental questions of how to organize themselves, the proper relationship between the individual and the state, the best means to resolve the inevitable conflicts between states.

And it was here in Europe, through centuries of struggle, through war and enlightenment, repression and revolution, that a particular set of ideals began to emerge, the belief that through conscience and free will, each of us has the right to live as we choose, the belief that power is derived from the consent of the governed and that laws and institutions should be established to protect that understanding.

And those ideas eventually inspired a band of colonialists across an ocean, and they wrote them into the founding documents that still guide America today, including the simple truth that all men, and women, are created equal.

But those ideals have also been tested, here in Europe and around the world. Those ideals have often been threatened by an older, more traditional view of power. This alternative vision argues that Often this alternative vision roots itself in the notion that by virtue of race or faith or ethnicity, some are inherently superior to others and that individual identity must be defined by us versus them, or that national greatness must flow not by what people stand for, but what they are against. ".

Personally I think the whole speech, EVERY speech for that matter, is nothing but bullshit. He signed the NDAA, and Bush signed the Patriot Act, it doesn't fucking matter which side of the aisle they are on. They ALL want your shit and they are happier than a pig in shit that this whole Red State V Blue State thing is happening because it's a distraction from the fact that BOTH sides are taking your liberties and money. Both sides are EQUALLY corrupt, Both sides could not fucking care less about the lot of ordinary men and women in this country. And that NEITHER side will do a better job.

Carlin was right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jQT7_rVxAE "Politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice". This is why I prefer to talk about pussy and why I don't live in the States anymore. It just doesn't fucking matter who gets elected because both sides do the same shit.

SimonPieMan
07-29-14, 21:03
A2,
How about a forum for National Politics for those that want to participate?
Thanks,
Simon.

SimonPieMan
07-29-14, 21:39
American Politics during the Obama Presidency.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?5936-American-Politics-during-the-Obama-Presidency

This is the path Forum, Opinions & Editorials, Opinions, American Politics during the Obama Presidency.

It's been dead for a while though.Although I may not agree, I respect the opinions of others. There is always something to be learned. I would prefer to have a civilized debate with members from this region than any where else. I think this is a microcosm just as with any other societal group. Politics is local. Those that wish not to participate, may abstain.

Simon.

Admin2
07-29-14, 21:45
I would prefer to have a civilized debate with members from this region than any where else.As would I, I've just haven't seen that happen for 30 years.

Gatty23
07-30-14, 10:51
For Dnut: The major reason unemployment is down is because the number usually reported doesn't include those who have quit looking for jobs, run out of unemployment insurance, or are under umemployed (working part time instead of full time).

MassageIt
07-30-14, 11:49
The political discussion is ok as long as it has it's own thread. Like here.

Here is my view.

Both parties suck and the middle class is getting fucked over from both ends. Entitlements from the left for lazy assholes who do not want to work. Corporate welfare from the right so the corporate big whigs get obscenely wealthy. Personally I am libertarian. To bad they will never have the power to end this shit.

Mt.

Butt Hunter II
07-30-14, 12:10
A-2, I also am not a Ursurper Obama fan. I find him bent on bringing down the great country of the USA and has been pretty well been good at that with the be / s debt, the numerous scandals, supporting Hammas and other insurgents of the Muslisum faith he learns towards. He has turrned his back on our strong Mideast ally, Israel, backs funding to bring all the disease ridden kids from Central America and put in our over taxed and stressed economy. (I should say if any of your hot ladies wish to seek assuylm from Russia here I will be there sponsor! The lies in both sides of the party as no one has the balls to stand up and proclaim I am for what America used to be. Policical death! It's give me the PAC donations so I can become rich and not worry! But this will reveal itself in due time. I pray to God that what is going on in the Mideast and the Urcraine doesn't bring us deeper into WWW 3 or another 3rd world country. But that is just my humble thoughts. Please guys, you don't have to blow me up on this! God BLess the USA and our armed forces who give me the chance to write this! WM.First of all the kids that are coming over the border have a much higher vaccination than kids from Texas do thanks to socialized medicine.
http://www.texasobserver.org/disease-threat-immigrant-children-wildly-overstated/

Do you know where a lot of that debt even came from? TWO WARS started by the last genius that were never paid for. Literally trillions of dollars and thousands of Americans killed for what?

All those a scandals you speak about, LOL.

Millions of taxpayer dollars wasted by Darrel Issa and the GOP to investigate them and what have they come up with? NOTHING!

I love the the Muslim thing. A Muslim that has a racist preacher? Which one is it? How is he showing his Muslim faith? By killing them with drones at an unprecedented level? Stop getting your information From Fox and chain e mails and you should be ok.

Butt Hunter II
07-30-14, 12:17
Well said!Seriously?

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/16/1132504/-Why-is-the-Republican-Record-Breaking-use-of-the-Filibuster-Not-a-topic-of-the-News

Butt Hunter II
07-30-14, 12:19
For Dnut: The major reason unemployment is down is because the number usually reported doesn't include those who have quit looking for jobs, run out of unemployment insurance, or are under umemployed (working part time instead of full time).No it's because of 52 straight months of private sector job growth. Is it good enough? No but it's way better than it was when he took office.

Dcexpatriot
07-30-14, 12:26
No it's because of 52 straight months of private sector job growth. Is it good enough? No but it's way better than it was when he took office.Did that hurt when they implanted the Obama blinders. You would not know the truth about this anti America anti business President if he told you himself.

Phlasher
07-30-14, 13:21
Scott Adams of Dilbert fame pretty much nails the nature of political opinion (full piece: http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/the_illusion_of_intelligence/):

When it comes to politics, humans are joiners, not thinkers. The reason a computer can't have a political conversation is because politics is not a subset of intelligence. It is dogma, bias, inertia, fear, and a whole lot of misunderstanding. If you wanted to program a computer to duplicate human intelligence in politics you would have to make the computer an idiot that agreed with whatever group it belonged regardless of the facts or logic of the situation.

If you insisted on making your computer rational, all it would ever say is stuff such as "I don't have enough information to make a decision. Let's legalize weed in Colorado and see what happens. If it works there, I favor legalizing it everywhere." In other words, you can program a computer to recommend gathering relevant information before making political decisions, which is totally reasonable and intelligent, but 99% of humans would vehemently disagree with that approach. Intelligent opinions from machines would fail the Turing test because irrational humans wouldn't recognize it as intelligent.

Golfcart
07-30-14, 14:54
For Dnut: The major reason unemployment is down is because the number usually reported doesn't include those who have quit looking for jobs, run out of unemployment insurance, or are under umemployed (working part time instead of full time).That's true. The only way the government has of measuring unemployment is to go by the number of individuals drawing unemployment benefits. As the number receiving unemployment benefits declines it's a blend of (A) individuals that have returned to work and (B) individuals still unemployed but have drawn their maximum weeks of benefits. Also hidden in that statistic are (C) individuals "under-employed," I. E. , having accepted substandard employment in a weak economy. The bottom line, a rise in the number of recipients receiving unemployment benefits is bad, but a decline in that number could mean good, bad or be meaningless.

PillowTalk69
07-30-14, 15:06
Did that hurt when they implanted the Obama blinders. You would not know the truth about this anti America anti business President if he told you himself.Espoused by Lois BABY Are you one of those CRAZIES or Conservative Assholes spoken of by the lovely Ms Lerner who knows her boss is the very scion of culture and veritas and loves us all but mostly what is in our back pockets. Ah Lois hopefully your time is coming and if the House does it's job so is BRAAAAAACKS day before SCOTUS. The man is the full-fledged version of the supreme NOB of the western world and wouldn't know what to do with being the leader of the free world if it bit him in the ASS whic can be found recently fundraising or on the golf course of course. I hope the rumors about Ms Obama are true that she is or has consulted divorce lawyers and plans to put him OOTP in her life.

Willow1535
07-30-14, 20:31
You are 100% correct. The main reason why we are joiners is that we are too lazy to educate ourselves. It is so much easier to allow someone else to form and shape your opinions than it is to educate yourself. Most people get their opinions and new from cable news shows and talk radio. We need to learn to think for ourselves. Whether it is Bush or Obama, Republican or Democrat, either side has it's own group of trolls who just tow the party line. This is a primary reason why we never make any progress.


Scott Adams of Dilbert fame pretty much nails the nature of political opinion (full piece: http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/the_illusion_of_intelligence/):

When it comes to politics, humans are joiners, not thinkers. The reason a computer can't have a political conversation is because politics is not a subset of intelligence. It is dogma, bias, inertia, fear, and a whole lot of misunderstanding. If you wanted to program a computer to duplicate human intelligence in politics you would have to make the computer an idiot that agreed with whatever group it belonged regardless of the facts or logic of the situation.

If you insisted on making your computer rational, all it would ever say is stuff such as "I don't have enough information to make a decision. Let's legalize weed in Colorado and see what happens. If it works there, I favor legalizing it everywhere." In other words, you can program a computer to recommend gathering relevant information before making political decisions, which is totally reasonable and intelligent, but 99% of humans would vehemently disagree with that approach. Intelligent opinions from machines would fail the Turing test because irrational humans wouldn't recognize it as intelligent.

Admin2
07-30-14, 22:57
Clowns to the left of me, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q.

Jokers to the right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba439w4-v_0.

Stuck in the middle with you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpon40aBqt8.

Doomed.

Willow1535
07-30-14, 23:58
And these are the types of people that get voted into office or elevated to the national stage. Very sad. We are doomed if we continue down this path.

Wake up America!


Clowns to the left of me, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q.

Jokers to the right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba439w4-v_0.

Stuck in the middle with you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpon40aBqt8.

Doomed.

Willow1535
07-30-14, 23:59
Great song.


Clowns to the left of me, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q.

Jokers to the right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba439w4-v_0.

Stuck in the middle with you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpon40aBqt8.

Doomed.

Admin2
07-31-14, 01:29
And these are the types of people that get voted into office or elevated to the national stage. Very sad. We are doomed if we continue down this path.

Wake up America!I can understand elected, anybody can make a mistake. Two of these idiots got REELECTED and Palin could run in any Red State and win in a landslide. The capsize the island guy that couldn't remember the word "Width" was reelected after this happened.

Cheech1
07-31-14, 15:10
America is most likely doomed. I suggest that everyone start by reading at LewRockwell.com. I suggest that people also visit shadowstats.com. Then go to prisonplanet.com and read some more.

If you get your information just from mass media, meaning TV, cable TV, radio, or newspapers, you are gravely misinformed. If you spend more time watching sports or sitcoms than you do reading online about what is happening in the world and what has happened in the past, then you are one of the sheep who are being raised for meat in the form of taxes and wool in the form of your children being duped into joining the armed forces to be used as cannon fodder in the war games of the rich.

Go to the above websites. Take notes. Do some research. Then intelligent discussions can be had. Otherwise not. And, for those of you who refuse to become educated, better have lots of Vaseline on hand, because the government is coming.

Cheech.

Member #4637
08-01-14, 07:30
America is most likely doomed. I suggest that everyone start by reading at LewRockwell.com. I suggest that people also visit shadowstats.com. Then go to prisonplanet.com and read some more.

If you get your information just from mass media, meaning TV, cable TV, radio, or newspapers, you are gravely misinformed. If you spend more time watching sports or sitcoms than you do reading online about what is happening in the world and what has happened in the past, then you are one of the sheep who are being raised for meat in the form of taxes and wool in the form of your children being duped into joining the armed forces to be used as cannon fodder in the war games of the rich.

Go to the above websites. Take notes. Do some research. Then intelligent discussions can be had. Otherwise not. And, for those of you who refuse to become educated, better have lots of Vaseline on hand, because the government is coming.

Cheech.Cheech, you are so right, but the reason we are doomed is that the majority of Americans are completely uninformed and make decision based on celebrity, looks, skin color, gender, and what is "popular". The only thing more dangerous than the current incompetent puppet in the White House is the fact that the majority of voters chose him. Twice.

Cheech1
08-01-14, 17:24
First, a note to A2, hope things are OK down there, considering the default.

As far as the American people are concerned, they bear a portion of the blame for their ignorance, in that they allow themselves to be led like sheep, but what people don't consider for the most part is that the people are trained from childhood to be like that, soaked in government propaganda from early childhood through the schools and TV and movies. The schools are the worst part. Also, it is planned to be that way by the people who run the government. It is the result of a vast, planned conspiracy which is very hard to see, and which is run by the socialist-fascist people who own the governments and the banks. They learned from the Russian revolution and the Nazis that revolution doesn't work. They found that the key was to slowly train the populace, taking generations, to be sheep. Slowly strip them of their rights over generations, a little small piece at a time. Like the frog sitting in the pot, he doesn't notice the water getting hotter and hotter, thinking its normal, until its too late.

Cheech.

Carnicero
08-01-14, 19:39
Just to correct you beyond one of Fox's favorite bullet point, President Obama wasn't just a "community organizer". He has a law degree, and for 12 years was a law professor at the University of Chicago School of Law teaching Constitutional Law. Unemployment is down since he took office, the DOW has never been higher, home values are close to where they were before his predecessor let that housing market meltdown happen, troops are coming home, and more Americans have covered healthcare than ever before (despite Republicans trying 50 times to take it away). What have you done?

I take it you'll be one of the people who will pay $9. 99/ month to subscribe to Sarah Palin's online channel to hear her talk about the news and only she can make it up.You didn't correct ANYTHING with your MSNBC talking points. Who cares what you call whatever it was he was doing in Chicago. He and his hand picked "beeotch" Emanuel made it the murder capital of the nation and as far as teaching Constitutional Law, just keep watching him thumb his nose at the Constitution when he continues his Executive Order rampage. Oh and yes Bush did sign almost 300 but Obama is at 182 and counting and Bush's were benign comparatively. "Predecessor's housing meltdown", Ha! That happened during a DEMOCRATIC controlled Congress. Mostly due to the Dodd-Frank Act. I bet Barney Frank is one of your heros. What an clown he is. So how do you like the DOW now. Down almost 400 points in one week and a bigger bubble coming. The Fed and their QE is just simply artificially boosting it by borrowing more and more money. I bet that is just how you run your household. Going in debt thinking life is just peachy. And just wait to see what happens to our healthcare system when he grants amnesty to another 20-30 MILLION illegal immigrants. Do you understand what illegal means? So here is how the rest of the world view this guy. Finally, here is the absolute TRUTH on what a disaster the Obama Abomination is: National Debt 2000 5. 6 TRILLION and 10.4 TRILLION in 2008. That's an increase of 4. 8 TRILLION because I'm sure you need help with the math. So Obama inherited 10.4 from that "evil predecessor" Bush. It is currently 17.6 TRILLION and is projected to be above 20 TRILLION before this jerk is through. I'll help you with that math too. That's 9. 6 TRILLION +. I hope you don't have kids or grandkids because they will be the ones paying it back with 50%+ tax rates like your heros in Europe.

Just sayin.

Wingman Todd
08-01-14, 19:58
But you failed to mention what the influx of thousands of ILLEGAL people will do to take down more and burdan our fragile economy. How about tking care of our homeless, vets and poor first??


You didn't correct ANYTHING with your MSNBC talking points. Who cares what you call whatever it was he was doing in Chicago. He and his hand picked "beeotch" Emanuel made it the murder capital of the nation and as far as teaching Constitutional Law, just keep watching him thumb his nose at the Constitution when he continues his Executive Order rampage. Oh and yes Bush did sign almost 300 but Obama is at 182 and counting and Bush's were benign comparatively. "Predecessor's housing meltdown", Ha! That happened during a DEMOCRATIC controlled Congress. Mostly due to the Dodd-Frank Act. I bet Barney Frank is one of your heros. What an clown he is. So how do you like the DOW now. Down almost 400 points in one week and a bigger bubble coming. The Fed and their QE is just simply artificially boosting it by borrowing more and more money. I bet that is just how you run your household. Going in debt thinking life is just peachy. And just wait to see what happens to our healthcare system when he grants amnesty to another 20-30 MILLION illegal immigrants. Do you understand what illegal means? So here is how the rest of the world view this guy. Finally, here is the absolute TRUTH on what a disaster the Obama Abomination is: National Debt 2000 5. 6 TRILLION and 10.4 TRILLION in 2008. That's an increase of 4. 8 TRILLION because I'm sure you need help with the math. So Obama inherited 10.4 from that "evil predecessor" Bush. It is currently 17.6 TRILLION and is projected to be above 20 TRILLION before this jerk is through. I'll help you with that math too. That's 9. 6 TRILLION +. I hope you don't have kids or grandkids because they will be the ones paying it back with 50%+ tax rates like your heros in Europe.

Just sayin.

Admin2
08-02-14, 01:56
First, a note to A2, hope things are OK down there, considering the default.DUDE! We are all waiting for the default, we all earn in Dollars. Give me 15 pesos to the dollar any day.

Financial crisis+business closing+runaway inflation (while hedged in dollars)=tons of hot secretaries out of work and needing money.

Best time ever in Argentina for us was 2003-2005, happy days are here again.

A2.

Cheech1
08-02-14, 13:56
DUDE! We are all waiting for the default, we all earn in Dollars. Give me 15 pesos to the dollar any day.

Financial crisis+business closing+runaway inflation (while hedged in dollars)=tons of hot secretaries out of work and needing money.

Best time ever in Argentina for us was 2003-2005, happy days are here again.

A2.A2, don't misunderstand. I know when you earn in dollars things look great if the local currency is crashing, I was more concerned about unrest and such things.

Cheech.

Golfcart
08-02-14, 15:03
Who cares what you call whatever it was he was doing in Chicago. He and his hand picked "beeotch" Emanuel made it the murder capital of the nation . . . . Just sayin.Carnicero, you're posting for personal entertainment, not to make sense, right?

So much of the discourse has become mean-spirited. The hard choices we face explains some of it. But the vitriol gets in the way of a proper discussion and progress.

Willow1535
08-04-14, 10:01
What solutions do you have to offer that will resolve our issues and what have you personally done to contribute to the efforts to turn our country around?


You didn't correct ANYTHING with your MSNBC talking points. Who cares what you call whatever it was he was doing in Chicago. He and his hand picked "beeotch" Emanuel made it the murder capital of the nation and as far as teaching Constitutional Law, just keep watching him thumb his nose at the Constitution when he continues his Executive Order rampage. Oh and yes Bush did sign almost 300 but Obama is at 182 and counting and Bush's were benign comparatively. "Predecessor's housing meltdown", Ha! That happened during a DEMOCRATIC controlled Congress. Mostly due to the Dodd-Frank Act. I bet Barney Frank is one of your heros. What an clown he is. So how do you like the DOW now. Down almost 400 points in one week and a bigger bubble coming. The Fed and their QE is just simply artificially boosting it by borrowing more and more money. I bet that is just how you run your household. Going in debt thinking life is just peachy. And just wait to see what happens to our healthcare system when he grants amnesty to another 20-30 MILLION illegal immigrants. Do you understand what illegal means? So here is how the rest of the world view this guy. Finally, here is the absolute TRUTH on what a disaster the Obama Abomination is: National Debt 2000 5. 6 TRILLION and 10.4 TRILLION in 2008. That's an increase of 4. 8 TRILLION because I'm sure you need help with the math. So Obama inherited 10.4 from that "evil predecessor" Bush. It is currently 17.6 TRILLION and is projected to be above 20 TRILLION before this jerk is through. I'll help you with that math too. That's 9. 6 TRILLION +. I hope you don't have kids or grandkids because they will be the ones paying it back with 50%+ tax rates like your heros in Europe.

Just sayin.

Willow1535
08-04-14, 10:23
Are we trying to be funny here or are we looking for serious comments and feed back. If we are looking for humor and the normal bs that is typically shared, then yes; his comments were good. They probably riled up the rank and file and made him feel good about himself for a short time.

If we are trying to be serious, can either one of you provide any intelligent responses to the following questions:

What did Obama or Emanuel do to contribute to the high murder rate in Chicago?

Do either of you think that you know more about the Constitution than a Constitutional Law professor or the President?

Are you suggesting that Bush had no culpability in the meltdown of the economy and the housing bubble?

Do you understand the basics of the Stock Market?

Just sayin.


But you failed to mention what the influx of thousands of ILLEGAL people will do to take down more and burdan our fragile economy. How about tking care of our homeless, vets and poor first??

PillowTalk69
08-04-14, 14:29
Are we trying to be funny here or are we looking for serious comments and feed back. If we are looking for humor and the normal bs that is typically shared, then yes; his comments were good. They probably riled up the rank and file and made him feel good about himself for a short time.

If we are trying to be serious, can either one of you provide any intelligent responses to the following questions:

What did Obama or Emanuel do to contribute to the high murder rate in Chicago?

Do either of you think that you know more about the Constitution than a Constitutional Law professor or the President?

Are you suggesting that Bush had no culpability in the meltdown of the economy and the housing bubble?

Do you understand the basics of the Stock Market?

Just sayin.


Are we trying to be funny here or are we looking for serious comments and feed back. If we are looking for humor and the normal bs that is typically shared, then yes; his comments were good. They probably riled up the rank and file and made him feel good about himself for a short time.

If we are trying to be serious, can either one of you provide any intelligent responses to the following questions:

What did Obama or Emanuel do to contribute to the high murder rate in Chicago?

Do either of you think that you know more about the Constitution than a Constitutional Law professor or the President?

Are you suggesting that Bush had no culpability in the meltdown of the economy and the housing bubble?

Do you understand the basics of the Stock Market?

Just sayin.Do either of you think that you know more about the Constitution than a Constitutional Law professor or the President? Yes I do and so do you The President does not have the authority to decide which parts of a law passed by Congress and signed by him to enforce He has changed ACA close to 40 times Not is prerogative to do so by the Constitution He may ask for amendments or a new law with his changes His authority is to ENFORCE the laws. SCOTUS has slapped him twice in Hobby Lobby and Recess Appointments He knows that as long as Dems control the Senate he won't be impeached Takes 2/3 rds to impeach 67 votes and Obama knows that won't happen so he continues to do what he wants to do and waits for someone to take him to SCOTUS. GOD Obama does not play by the CONSTITUTION It does not apply to him. He picks and chooses what laws he wants to enforce and screw everyone else. As a President who is supposedly a trained Constitutional lawyer he leaves much to be desired. JMO.

Willow1535
08-04-14, 21:29
It is an opinion!


Do either of you think that you know more about the Constitution than a Constitutional Law professor or the President? Yes I do and so do you The President does not have the authority to decide which parts of a law passed by Congress and signed by him to enforce He has changed ACA close to 40 times Not is prerogative to do so by the Constitution He may ask for amendments or a new law with his changes His authority is to ENFORCE the laws. SCOTUS has slapped him twice in Hobby Lobby and Recess Appointments He knows that as long as Dems control the Senate he won't be impeached Takes 2/3 rds to impeach 67 votes and Obama knows that won't happen so he continues to do what he wants to do and waits for someone to take him to SCOTUS. GOD Obama does not play by the CONSTITUTION It does not apply to him. He picks and chooses what laws he wants to enforce and screw everyone else. As a President who is supposedly a trained Constitutional lawyer he leaves much to be desired. JMO.

PillowTalk69
08-05-14, 06:57
It is an opinion!He has violated his oath of office and the CONSTITUTION FACT HE NEEDS TO STOP OR BE put out of office. Harry Reid the troll has helped by holding 340 plus bills from the HOUSE back so they could not be voted on He needs to be kicked out of the SENATE. You can't pick and choose what laws or parts you want to enforce A law professor should know that what part do you not understand?

Butt Hunter II
08-05-14, 10:29
He has violated his oath of office and the CONSTITUTION FACT HE NEEDS TO STOP OR BE put out of office. Harry Reid the troll has helped by holding 340 plus bills from the HOUSE back so they could not be voted on He needs to be kicked out of the SENATE. You can't pick and choose what laws or parts you want to enforce A law professor should know that what part do you not understand?He has done no such thing. Take a breath and clear your head. If indeed he's done those things, why won't the Republicans (the same people that can't stand him BYW). Started impeachment hearings? BECAUSE HE HASNT BROKEN THE LAW!

I'm sure you were outraged When Bush chose to delay and change Medicare Part D also.
And you accuse Reid of obstructionism?

Pot meet kettle!

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50177069

Butt Hunter II
08-05-14, 10:33
Do either of you think that you know more about the Constitution than a Constitutional Law professor or the President? Yes I do and so do you The President does not have the authority to decide which parts of a law passed by Congress and signed by him to enforce He has changed ACA close to 40 times Not is prerogative to do so by the Constitution He may ask for amendments or a new law with his changes His authority is to ENFORCE the laws. SCOTUS has slapped him twice in Hobby Lobby and Recess Appointments He knows that as long as Dems control the Senate he won't be impeached Takes 2/3 rds to impeach 67 votes and Obama knows that won't happen so he continues to do what he wants to do and waits for someone to take him to SCOTUS. GOD Obama does not play by the CONSTITUTION It does not apply to him. He picks and chooses what laws he wants to enforce and screw everyone else. As a President who is supposedly a trained Constitutional lawyer he leaves much to be desired. JMO.See Bush Medicare part the. There's your answer.

PillowTalk69
08-05-14, 10:52
See Bush Medicare part the. There's your answer.The current idiot that ignores the constitution and his duties as president by changing laws that effect us our economy and our healthcare is. His two toadies Pelosi and Reid are also up to their ears in screwing us as is BRO Holder and his covering of Obamas a** Also get rid of Brennan the CIA director who spied on our government and lied about it to Congress and Obama says he has complete faith in Brennan REALLY? Ya got to be shitting me on that one also. The man and his posse are one of the worst if not the worst that ever inhabited the WH.

Cheech1
08-05-14, 15:43
Asking who knows more about the Constitution is a misleading question. I'm sure Obama, as well as his predecessors know the Constitution backwards and forwards. Probably. The question is rather have they upheld their oath to uphold the Constitution? The answer is no. Virtually no president since before Lincoln has not violated the Constitution. In Obama's case, the minute he decided that he could order the murder of people who had not been tried and convicted by a court of law, he violated his oath, committed murder in the first degree, and at that point, with no other violations needed, qualified for immediate impeachment and criminal charges being filed against him. By the way, there are no excuses for murder.

And the people just sit back and watch sports and bullshit on TV. The country is doomed.

Cheech.

PillowTalk69
08-05-14, 16:53
He has done no such thing. Take a breath and clear your head. If indeed he's done those things, why won't the Republicans (the same people that can't stand him BYW). Started impeachment hearings? BECAUSE HE HASNT BROKEN THE LAW!

I'm sure you were outraged When Bush chose to delay and change Medicare Part D also.
And you accuse Reid of obstructionism?

Pot meet kettle!

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50177069Are you really that FUCKING STUPID Anyone who knows the Constitution knows it takes 67 voted in the Senate to find him guilty No where near that The man is guilty of failing to follow his own law and picking and choosing what laws he wants to enforce Without 67 votes in the Senate he is as safe as Mother Teresa in a house full of male nymphos. Learn the Constitution and the parts of it then come back and talk about what you know not what you think you do.

Willow1535
08-05-14, 20:40
Of course you are including GW in that category. Truly one of the dumbest men to ever hold the office, yet somehow found the support of many to serve two terms. Once was enough; you can't explain the second time. I would rather have had someone like McCain or Mitt in there.


The current idiot that ignores the constitution and his duties as president by changing laws that effect us our economy and our healthcare is. His two toadies Pelosi and Reid are also up to their ears in screwing us as is BRO Holder and his covering of Obamas a** Also get rid of Brennan the CIA director who spied on our government and lied about it to Congress and Obama says he has complete faith in Brennan REALLY? Ya got to be shitting me on that one also. The man and his posse are one of the worst if not the worst that ever inhabited the WH.

Willow1535
08-05-14, 20:51
Morons, fucking stupid? Can we articulate a point without the name calling? I should not have called GW the dumbest.

Let's face it guys. Like them or hate them, they are alot smarter than any of us. These guys have put themselves and families out there only to be ripped apart by partisans on both sides.

At least they are or were in the game. What are you doing to make a difference? I don't care if you are White, Black, Red, Republican, Democrat or Libertarian, if you stand up and serve this country, you deserve some level respect from everyone.


Are you really that FUCKING STUPID Anyone who knows the Constitution knows it takes 67 voted in the Senate to find him guilty No where near that The man is guilty of failing to follow his own law and picking and choosing what laws he wants to enforce Without 67 votes in the Senate he is as safe as Mother Teresa in a house full of male nymphos. Learn the Constitution and the parts of it then come back and talk about what you know not what you think you do.

Willow1535
08-05-14, 21:10
A few questions for you mate.

1. What have you done with your life for the past 25 years to make your community or country better?

2. Have you ever voted for someone in a political party that is different from your own?

3. How has Obamacare negatively impacted your healthcare?

4. Do you do any volunteer work in your community?

5. What laws do you pick and choose, on a daily basis to ignore?

6. Have you ever worked to get a candidate elected and do you vote in every election?

7. Have you ever heard of Iran Contra or Watergate?

8. Do you know who supported and provided money and arms to Iraq in the 1980 - 90's?

Just trying to figure out who I am dealing with.


He has violated his oath of office and the CONSTITUTION FACT HE NEEDS TO STOP OR BE put out of office. Harry Reid the troll has helped by holding 340 plus bills from the HOUSE back so they could not be voted on He needs to be kicked out of the SENATE. You can't pick and choose what laws or parts you want to enforce A law professor should know that what part do you not understand?

Willow1535
08-05-14, 21:22
If he were, you might be getting your food from a soup line and living on government cheese. We were headed towards a depression and I don't agree with the way we spent our way out of it, but GW left us in a huge hole. You can refute that. He was not solely the blame, but his was / is culpable. Not one. But two wars that were not paid for or needed. Lives wasted. Where were you when all that was going on? What do you have to say about Boehner and the tactics that he is using? It goes both ways; you just can't see it.


The current idiot that ignores the constitution and his duties as president by changing laws that effect us our economy and our healthcare is. His two toadies Pelosi and Reid are also up to their ears in screwing us as is BRO Holder and his covering of Obamas a** Also get rid of Brennan the CIA director who spied on our government and lied about it to Congress and Obama says he has complete faith in Brennan REALLY? Ya got to be shitting me on that one also. The man and his posse are one of the worst if not the worst that ever inhabited the WH.

PillowTalk69
08-06-14, 06:47
If he were, you might be getting your food from a soup line and living on government cheese. We were headed towards a depression and I don't agree with the way we spent our way out of it, but GW left us in a huge hole. You can refute that. He was not solely the blame, but his was / is culpable. Not one. But two wars that were not paid for or needed. Lives wasted. Where were you when all that was going on? What do you have to say about Boehner and the tactics that he is using? It goes both ways; you just can't see it.Regan supplied the arms Yes I volunteer for a Veterans Hospital. When Bush left the WH this country had a 5+ trillion debt it is not 17 and climbing. I don't remember Bush circumventing Congress and rewriting laws to fit his wishes. I don't remember Republicans supporting Obama CARE I never heard a house majority republican say before we read a law we have to pass it. I don't remember a president supporting the CIA for spying on Congress. I don't remember Bush drawing a red line then failing to to back it up. I do remember Bush saying there were WMDs in Irag which everyone now says there werent yet thousands of Kurds were killed by poison gas which is a WMD I don't remember Bush targeting groups in the IRS or handing out personal information of theres to the Federal Election Commission a FELONY. I don't remember Iraq being left without a security agreement of forces which Obama did when he pulled out troops and the operative word for 11.7 million people in the USA is ILLEGAL ALIENS. So are those who show up at the border crossing due to the Dream Act. Hussains demise was needed and no war is ever paid for They are absorbed into the national debt. Boehner is rightfully disgusted with a President and his Democrat majority leader TROLL who allows 300+ bills many bipartisan to lay on his desk and will not bring them up for a vote. A man who knocks the Koch brothers for supporting the GOP but forgets about the millions given out by his Buddy Styrer to the Dem party and its candidates I didn't see Boehner take 31000 +dollars and by favors and gifts for his family members then feign surprise when confronted and told that was a violation of the election laws and had to pay it back without apology, or step in on behalf of his unqualified family member in NV to get him a prosecutorial job he was not qualified for but put pressure on the town counsel to put him in. NICE That is politics but to Reid it is lets lie so we can make an issue. Like Pelosi and Obama if you like your doctor, your policy and your hospital you can keep them and his famous OBAMACARE will reduce the average taxpayer premium by 2500 dollars when they are skyrocketing. Or a roll out that still is not completed after a three year construction and almost a trillion dollars to build a faulty roll out with little to no oversight. I don't remember Bush sending illegals to states without notifying city majors or state Governors of it or where they were being sent without coordination of efforts. Answers to your questions are yes to all the below. Obama is a mess and so are Pelosi, Holder, Sebellius Brennan, Reid and Lerner. Watergate was bad and so was Nixon Spying is not the answer but neither is the NSA the CIA the IRS etc. Anymore questions.

Member #4637
08-06-14, 07:22
Regan supplied the arms Yes I volunteer for a Veterans Hospital. When Bush left the WH this country had a 5+ trillion debt it is not 17 and climbing. I don't remember Bush circumventing Congress and rewriting laws to fit his wishes. I don't remember Republicans supporting Obama CARE I never heard a house majority republican say before we read a law we have to pass it. I don't remember a president supporting the CIA for spying on Congress. I don't remember Bush drawing a red line then failing to to back it up. I do remember Bush saying there were WMDs in Irag which everyone now says there werent yet thousands of Kurds were killed by poison gas which is a WMD I don't remember Bush targeting groups in the IRS or handing out personal information of theres to the Federal Election Commission a FELONY. I don't remember Iraq being left without a security agreement of forces which Obama did when he pulled out troops and the operative word for 11.7 million people in the USA is ILLEGAL ALIENS. So are those who show up at the border crossing due to the Dream Act. Hussains demise was needed and no war is ever paid for They are absorbed into the national debt. Boehner is rightfully disgusted with a President and his Democrat majority leader TROLL who allows 300+ bills many bipartisan to lay on his desk and will not bring them up for a vote. A man who knocks the Koch brothers for supporting the GOP but forgets about the millions given out by his Buddy Styrer to the Dem party and its candidates I didn't see Boehner take 31000 +dollars and by favors and gifts for his family members then feign surprise when confronted and told that was a violation of the election laws and had to pay it back without apology, or step in on behalf of his unqualified family member in NV to get him a prosecutorial job he was not qualified for but put pressure on the town counsel to put him in. NICE That is politics but to Reid it is lets lie so we can make an issue. Like Pelosi and Obama if you like your doctor, your policy and your hospital you can keep them and his famous OBAMACARE will reduce the average taxpayer premium by 2500 dollars when they are skyrocketing. Or a roll out that still is not completed after a three year construction and almost a trillion dollars to build a faulty roll out with little to no oversight. I don't remember Bush sending illegals to states without notifying city majors or state Governors of it or where they were being sent without coordination of efforts. Answers to your questions are yes to all the below. Obama is a mess and so are Pelosi, Holder, Sebellius Brennan, Reid and Lerner. Watergate was bad and so was Nixon Spying is not the answer but neither is the NSA the CIA the IRS etc. Anymore questions.PM, you are so right on! Unfortunately, most liberals and all Obama fans will only be confused and infuriated by facts. You should never start an intellectual argument with an unarmed man. It's just not fair.

Willow1535
08-06-14, 11:10
You sound like Reagan.

Some of your other points are just gibberish. You need to look more closely and with eyes wide open at what occurred during the Reagan and Bush (GW) terms. Reagan supplied the arms, but he also lied to Congress and the American people regarding the operation. People died due to his actions. That is a fact. Care to comment? Republicans are always at a loss for words when it comes to Iran Contra.

When was the gas last used on the Kurds? Quit making excuses for bad foreign policy. Hussein had to go is no argument for invading Iraq. It was a war on terror. . right? Based upon your comments, we should have invaded Africa and Syria. People being slaughtered there too. Should we go there too?

I commend you for your volunteer efforts at the VA.

By the way, I am a Libertarian.


Regan supplied the arms Yes I volunteer for a Veterans Hospital. When Bush left the WH this country had a 5+ trillion debt it is not 17 and climbing. I don't remember Bush circumventing Congress and rewriting laws to fit his wishes. I don't remember Republicans supporting Obama CARE I never heard a house majority republican say before we read a law we have to pass it. I don't remember a president supporting the CIA for spying on Congress. I don't remember Bush drawing a red line then failing to to back it up. I do remember Bush saying there were WMDs in Irag which everyone now says there werent yet thousands of Kurds were killed by poison gas which is a WMD I don't remember Bush targeting groups in the IRS or handing out personal information of theres to the Federal Election Commission a FELONY. I don't remember Iraq being left without a security agreement of forces which Obama did when he pulled out troops and the operative word for 11.7 million people in the USA is ILLEGAL ALIENS. So are those who show up at the border crossing due to the Dream Act. Hussains demise was needed and no war is ever paid for They are absorbed into the national debt. Boehner is rightfully disgusted with a President and his Democrat majority leader TROLL who allows 300+ bills many bipartisan to lay on his desk and will not bring them up for a vote. A man who knocks the Koch brothers for supporting the GOP but forgets about the millions given out by his Buddy Styrer to the Dem party and its candidates I didn't see Boehner take 31000 +dollars and by favors and gifts for his family members then feign surprise when confronted and told that was a violation of the election laws and had to pay it back without apology, or step in on behalf of his unqualified family member in NV to get him a prosecutorial job he was not qualified for but put pressure on the town counsel to put him in. NICE That is politics but to Reid it is lets lie so we can make an issue. Like Pelosi and Obama if you like your doctor, your policy and your hospital you can keep them and his famous OBAMACARE will reduce the average taxpayer premium by 2500 dollars when they are skyrocketing. Or a roll out that still is not completed after a three year construction and almost a trillion dollars to build a faulty roll out with little to no oversight. I don't remember Bush sending illegals to states without notifying city majors or state Governors of it or where they were being sent without coordination of efforts. Answers to your questions are yes to all the below. Obama is a mess and so are Pelosi, Holder, Sebellius Brennan, Reid and Lerner. Watergate was bad and so was Nixon Spying is not the answer but neither is the NSA the CIA the IRS etc. Anymore questions.

Willow1535
08-06-14, 11:17
Still waiting for your answer.

How did Obamacare negatively impact your healthcare?


Regan supplied the arms Yes I volunteer for a Veterans Hospital. When Bush left the WH this country had a 5+ trillion debt it is not 17 and climbing. I don't remember Bush circumventing Congress and rewriting laws to fit his wishes. I don't remember Republicans supporting Obama CARE I never heard a house majority republican say before we read a law we have to pass it. I don't remember a president supporting the CIA for spying on Congress. I don't remember Bush drawing a red line then failing to to back it up. I do remember Bush saying there were WMDs in Irag which everyone now says there werent yet thousands of Kurds were killed by poison gas which is a WMD I don't remember Bush targeting groups in the IRS or handing out personal information of theres to the Federal Election Commission a FELONY. I don't remember Iraq being left without a security agreement of forces which Obama did when he pulled out troops and the operative word for 11.7 million people in the USA is ILLEGAL ALIENS. So are those who show up at the border crossing due to the Dream Act. Hussains demise was needed and no war is ever paid for They are absorbed into the national debt. Boehner is rightfully disgusted with a President and his Democrat majority leader TROLL who allows 300+ bills many bipartisan to lay on his desk and will not bring them up for a vote. A man who knocks the Koch brothers for supporting the GOP but forgets about the millions given out by his Buddy Styrer to the Dem party and its candidates I didn't see Boehner take 31000 +dollars and by favors and gifts for his family members then feign surprise when confronted and told that was a violation of the election laws and had to pay it back without apology, or step in on behalf of his unqualified family member in NV to get him a prosecutorial job he was not qualified for but put pressure on the town counsel to put him in. NICE That is politics but to Reid it is lets lie so we can make an issue. Like Pelosi and Obama if you like your doctor, your policy and your hospital you can keep them and his famous OBAMACARE will reduce the average taxpayer premium by 2500 dollars when they are skyrocketing. Or a roll out that still is not completed after a three year construction and almost a trillion dollars to build a faulty roll out with little to no oversight. I don't remember Bush sending illegals to states without notifying city majors or state Governors of it or where they were being sent without coordination of efforts. Answers to your questions are yes to all the below. Obama is a mess and so are Pelosi, Holder, Sebellius Brennan, Reid and Lerner. Watergate was bad and so was Nixon Spying is not the answer but neither is the NSA the CIA the IRS etc. Anymore questions.

PillowTalk69
08-06-14, 11:30
Still waiting for your answer.

How did Obamacare negatively impact your healthcare?Under Obama Care my co pay is now 9,345 dollars a year for the same coverage. I and my family also have to pay mandated pregnancy coverage even though I and my spouse can not have children Medical impossibility from a decade of testing Why we adopted children. I hate any party or it's leadership that lies about something as HUGE as health care which effects us all rich middle class and poor. Subsidized healthcare is even worse when it impacts themiddle class. According to the last poll 85 percent of all ACA healthcare recipiants are on subsidized health care which means taxpayers are paying for a bogus program. I want to choose my own doctor and my own coverage parts and the hospital I want to treat me. My rise in co pay is ludicrous and if you read the latest rise in premiums in the next year it is going to be unbelievable. The government has even lied and said there are 9 million new enrollees in ACA which is a lie There are 3 million only In 2013 by December the insurance companies cancelled over 6. 2 million policies With those cancellations and 9 million being thes current number only 3 million new enrollees have occured and most of them are subsized poor and medicaid with less than 25 percent being middle class The government needed 40 percent of young people and arent anywhere near it. When confronted with these irregularities and anamolies the President said on TV OH It appears I misspoke. NO MR PRESIDENT You lied like a dog to get your legacy passed that is nothing you presented it to be. Am I in favore of catestrophic health care YES Am I in favor of LEGAL AMERICANS poor or otherwise having health care YES Do I think predominantly one class or two be strapped with paying for the majority of everyone elses health issues NO.

Butt Hunter II
08-06-14, 11:44
Are you really that FUCKING STUPID Anyone who knows the Constitution knows it takes 67 voted in the Senate to find him guilty No where near that The man is guilty of failing to follow his own law and picking and choosing what laws he wants to enforce Without 67 votes in the Senate he is as safe as Mother Teresa in a house full of male nymphos. Learn the Constitution and the parts of it then come back and talk about what you know not what you think you do.It would be perfect for the GOP GENIUS. The House voted forty something times to repeal the ACA knowing it would never pass the senate didn't they? How many Benghazi hearings at the expense of tax payers are they gonna hold that find nothing? Why wouldn't they start impeachment proceedings and then point fingers at the Democrat led senate for not acting on it?

BECAUSE THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE ASSES THATS WHY!!! Even Boner knows this with his joke of a lawsuit. I encourage impeachment proceedings be started immediately! It will ensure that I won't see another Republican in the White House in my lifetime!

Cheech1
08-06-14, 11:48
Obamacare, and any state welfare program, is socialist, involving the forced redistribution of assets at the point of a gun.

There has been no legal, Constitutional war since the war of 1812. The Spanish-American war was about stripping territory from Spain, the so called Civil War, actually a war of secession, was about federal power, actually had nothing to do with slavery. WWI and WWII were about making shitloads of money for American industrialists. In fact, it is most likely that American involvement in WWI caused WWII. Korea and Vietnam, and all the other wars, invasions, police actions, all about American Imperialism, nothing about defending the US. All illegal, all making trillions of dollars for America's war machine.

Bailing out the banks? Fascism. That would be privatizing reward while publicizing risk.

America has become a Fascist, Socialist state run by megalomaniacs. No Libertarian could support what is going on now.

Cheech.

Butt Hunter II
08-06-14, 11:56
Under Obama Care my co pay is now 9,345 dollars a year for the same coverage. I and my family also have to pay mandated pregnancy coverage even though I and my spouse can not have children Medical impossibility from a decade of testing Why we adopted children. I hate any party or it's leadership that lies about something as HUGE as health care which effects us all rich middle class and poor. Subsidized healthcare is even worse when it impacts themiddle class. According to the last poll 85 percent of all ACA healthcare recipiants are on subsidized health care which means taxpayers are paying for a bogus program. I want to choose my own doctor and my own coverage parts and the hospital I want to treat me. My rise in co pay is ludicrous and if you read the latest rise in premiums in the next year it is going to be unbelievable. The government has even lied and said there are 9 million new enrollees in ACA which is a lie There are 3 million only In 2013 by December the insurance companies cancelled over 6. 2 million policies With those cancellations and 9 million being thes current number only 3 million new enrollees have occured and most of them are subsized poor and medicaid with less than 25 percent being middle class The government needed 40 percent of young people and arent anywhere near it. When confronted with these irregularities and anamolies the President said on TV OH It appears I misspoke. NO MR PRESIDENT You lied like a dog to get your legacy passed that is nothing you presented it to be. Am I in favore of catestrophic health care YES Am I in favor of LEGAL AMERICANS poor or otherwise having health care YES Do I think predominantly one class or two be strapped with paying for the majority of everyone elses health issues NO.Maybe you should shop around. It's working! That's why you don't here the GOP crying about it anymore!

http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx_mobile.html

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/25/news/economy/obamacare-premium-rates/

BTW ask Wall Street what a socialist Obama is.

PillowTalk69
08-06-14, 12:35
Maybe you should shop around. It's working! That's why you don't here the GOP crying about it anymore!

http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx_mobile.html

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/25/news/economy/obamacare-premium-rates/

BTW ask Wall Street what a socialist Obama is.If it is working so well why are only 9 million signed up most from the 6. 2 m who lost their original policies back in Oct to Dec 13? If something so good and so reasonable is so effecting one would think tens of millions would be flocking to sign up not 9 m currently signed When the employer mandate goes into effect then what? It should be in effect now but Obama wrongfully delayed it because he knew American businesses would cancel policies in droves. Now how about the rise in premiums coming at the end of 14 ranging from 13 percent to 23 percent from a number of companies. Kind of makes a lie out of Obama's promise that premiums would go down and average of 2500 per family when Obama Care became the HC of the land. Sorry but anything from CNN is a JOKE as well as MSNBC Any news outlet that has Al Sharpton as an anchor has ZERO credability. Then you have Mary Harris Perry MSNBC who makes fun of a black kid and she is black who is an adopted grandson of Mitt and she boo hoos and they let her keep her job. If she was white she would be out the door. Sorry but O is an accident who has happened and is waiting to reappear for more again along with his favorite troll Harry.

PillowTalk69
08-06-14, 13:14
It would be perfect for the GOP GENIUS. The House voted forty something times to repeal the ACA knowing it would never pass the senate didn't they? How many Benghazi hearings at the expense of tax payers are they gonna hold that find nothing? Why wouldn't they start impeachment proceedings and then point fingers at the Democrat led senate for not acting on it?

BECAUSE THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE ASSES THATS WHY!!! Even Boner knows this with his joke of a lawsuit. I encourage impeachment proceedings be started immediately! It will ensure that I won't see another Republican in the White House in my lifetime!No because Harry Reid and the Senate would protect his sorry lieing ass by not finding him guilty Just like Clinton was protected by the Senate even with proof just like OB. My comment on WMD was spot on 87 88 against the Kurds both Mustard and Sarin gas used Those are WMDs they were not found so who knows where the little rat bastard secreted them off to but he had them and some 5000 were killed with them. Yes Regan did lie to Congress about helping anti communists fight the communists in Central America Glad he did. Even Oliver North said if he had to do it over again to stop Communism he would More power to him. Nixon on the other hand misused his powers and spied on his political enemies just like the IRS targeted Obamas enemies When an American ambassador asks for security improvements and is denied three to four times someone dropped the ball and needs to go to jail. FOUR people died including the Ambassador. Who do ya suppose dropped the ball HILLY BABY Obummer, Maybe Susan Rice who was told to lie to the American public even after the security council knew it wasn't a fucking video that caused the attacks What a lame assed excuse. It is amazing what Obummer NEVER knows when confronted with what any president should know if he has a COMPETENT administration behind him but when their incompentancies are pointed out OH I have the utmost confidence in these people REALLY?

Cheech1
08-06-14, 13:27
If you think the stock market is rising, and the housing market is rising, because Obama is doing a good job, think again. The stock market is rising because the trillions of dollars that are being printed out of nowhere, with no backing, have to end up somewhere, and when tons of funds chase limited assets the result is a rise in price. Very little in increased earnings to support rising prices. As far as the housing market goes, there are a number of investment groups, Blackstone being one, who can borrow money at near zero interest rates, and who then use it to buy individual houses which they then rent out. Its another bubble. Never in history has any government been able to continually debase the currency without eventually crashing the economy and usually the civilization behind it. If you think the Fed can do it this time, think again.

Cheech.

Resipsaloquito
08-06-14, 13:28
My brother in law is a real tea party extremist constantly spoutingoff aboutthe redistribution of wealth.

He started again at the fourth of July family gathering- I normally just ignore him for the sake of family peace- but this time I was three single malt scotches into the afternoon when he started. So I let loose.

I asked him if he took a mortgage tax deduction. I pointed out that we paid cash for our house and have no mortgage. I asked him why it was fair that society (including me) had to help fund his house purchase.

I asked him if he took tax deductions for his children. I pointed out that we have no children and why is it fair that he pay less taxes than me because he decided to have children. Isn't that just the American people helping to fund the raising of his children. I further pointed out that my real estate taxes in West Chester go to lakota schools predominantly- but I've never had a child attend there or anywhere else.

I pointed out that he was taking advantage of Obamacare since his oldest son is now 23 and carried on his insurance through P&G- and that the insurance now covers his son's meds for his depression and it did not before Obamacare.

The fact is that any economy is just that. An ecosystem for the exchange of money. And we have always as a society made value choices that help prop up the economy. America is the only country in the world with a 30 year fixed rate mortgage. Banks offer them only because they are almost always government guaranteed. Without the 30 year mortgage, the housing industry would falter causing wide spread job losses and throwing the economy in a deep depression.

I had the same insurance that I have now before Obamacare was enacted. The only difference I have seen is that my wellness checkup in January was more extensive and my investments in pharmaceuticals and the exchange traded health care fund (FXH call signal for you investors) have given me very handsome returns.

On a side note, I haven't been invited to any family gatherings since the 4th of July.

Res Ipsa.

FitAndHung
08-06-14, 15:10
My brother in law is a real tea party extremist constantly spoutingoff aboutthe redistribution of wealth.

He started again at the fourth of July family gathering- I normally just ignore him for the sake of family peace- but this time I was three single malt scotches into the afternoon when he started. So I let loose.

I asked him if he took a mortgage tax deduction. I pointed out that we paid cash for our house and have no mortgage. I asked him why it was fair that society (including me) had to help fund his house purchase.

I asked him if he took tax deductions for his children. I pointed out that we have no children and why is it fair that he pay less taxes than me because he decided to have children. Isn't that just the American people helping to fund the raising of his children. I further pointed out that my real estate taxes in West Chester go to lakota schools predominantly- but I've never had a child attend there or anywhere else.

I pointed out that he was taking advantage of Obamacare since his oldest son is now 23 and carried on his insurance through P&G- and that the insurance now covers his son's meds for his depression and it did not before Obamacare.

The fact is that any economy is just that. An ecosystem for the exchange of money. And we have always as a society made value choices that help prop up the economy. America is the only country in the world with a 30 year fixed rate mortgage. Banks offer them only because they are almost always government guaranteed. Without the 30 year mortgage, the housing industry would falter causing wide spread job losses and throwing the economy in a deep depression.

I had the same insurance that I have now before Obamacare was enacted. The only difference I have seen is that my wellness checkup in January was more extensive and my investments in pharmaceuticals and the exchange traded health care fund (FXH call signal for you investors) have given me very handsome returns.

On a side note, I haven't been invited to any family gatherings since the 4th of July.

Res Ipsa.So you paid cash, that's a personal choice. Some would say it's wise, others prefer to take the deduction. Here is the deal. The government is often in the game of picking winners and losers. It's proven over time that if you incentivize a behavior you get more if it. It makes sense to me to give those who choose to have kids and buy a house maybe a slight edge because those are generally very positive things for society in general. Time and time again EVERY study will show that kids raised in a traditional two-parent household will generally perform academically better and are more likely to be productive members of society. Before you get all jacked up, take a deep breath and realize I said "generally" and "more likely". I know there are examples of kids from a "great" home becoming criminals. The odds are against you if you come from a one parent home. So, why not incentivize this behavior a little bit?

Again, in the case of children, if we breeders (I have a few kids) didn't populate, who do you want to populate the country? You want certain groups who are responsible for most of the crime in the US to populate? Would you rather that no one reproduced?

It makes sense to me to incentivize some behavior that over time has proven to benefit society.

I too pay property tax and send no kids to public school. They all go to private school at great expense to me. Don't we all need schools for society to continue? If you ask me we should ban all teachers unions and we'd get a better product.

So Obamacare. In following my theme of benefits to overall society. I should support, right!? NO! It's horrible legislation that further incentivizes certain groups to not perform. Remember that whole "you get what you incentivize" thing!?

We'll with this legislation we further make it easier for a person to have all his / her needs met by the government and we allow more government into our lives. My insurance has skyrocketed since the passing of the law we call Obamacare. Nothing but more expense.

Why should I be forced again to subsidize another and reward them for poor behavior choices? So now if you are fat, lazy and sit around all day smoking and playing video games I have to help pay for that behavior. So maybe I eat right and exercise and HOPE that I will have a healthier more productive life. Isn't that the behavior we want to incentivize? Don't we want people who work, pay a shit ton of tax, buy a big house, a boat, a car, have kids and pay for all of this through the fruits of their labor?

Back to Obamacare. We are seeing adverse selection. Those who are sickly and in poor health and cannot afford coverage so they get on a subsidized plan. The healthy don't need it or want it. You are left with a very, very undesirable risk pool.

Bottom line for me is that we no longer expect excellence in our society. It's okay to live off another it seems. We accept this as everyday common behavior. Take from the prosperous and give to those "in need". Well let me tell you this, if there was no safety net and people would starve and have no place to live, we'd see a lot more people at work. And yes, I pay a shit-ton of taxes. I'm okay paying what I am to a certain extent, just quit wasting the fucking money!

Cheech1
08-06-14, 17:49
My brother in law is a real tea party extremist constantly spoutingoff aboutthe redistribution of wealth.

He started again at the fourth of July family gathering- I normally just ignore him for the sake of family peace- but this time I was three single malt scotches into the afternoon when he started. So I let loose.

I asked him if he took a mortgage tax deduction. I pointed out that we paid cash for our house and have no mortgage. I asked him why it was fair that society (including me) had to help fund his house purchase.

I asked him if he took tax deductions for his children. I pointed out that we have no children and why is it fair that he pay less taxes than me because he decided to have children. Isn't that just the American people helping to fund the raising of his children. I further pointed out that my real estate taxes in West Chester go to lakota schools predominantly- but I've never had a child attend there or anywhere else.

I pointed out that he was taking advantage of Obamacare since his oldest son is now 23 and carried on his insurance through P&G- and that the insurance now covers his son's meds for his depression and it did not before Obamacare.

The fact is that any economy is just that. An ecosystem for the exchange of money. And we have always as a society made value choices that help prop up the economy. America is the only country in the world with a 30 year fixed rate mortgage. Banks offer them only because they are almost always government guaranteed. Without the 30 year mortgage, the housing industry would falter causing wide spread job losses and throwing the economy in a deep depression.

I had the same insurance that I have now before Obamacare was enacted. The only difference I have seen is that my wellness checkup in January was more extensive and my investments in pharmaceuticals and the exchange traded health care fund (FXH call signal for you investors) have given me very handsome returns.

On a side note, I haven't been invited to any family gatherings since the 4th of July.

Res Ipsa.Of course one takes advantage of tax deductions, just as one would hide assets from any other thief. And by the way, an economy is a system for the voluntary exchange of money or goods and services for goods and services or other forms of money, the key being voluntary. And by the way, the government doesn't guarantee 30 year house loans, what the government does is tell the bankers whose beds they share is that we will give the people who pay you interest deductions so that you can make more money, and if they default we will steal more from the taxpayers to cover your asses. And your insurance is now socialized medicine, just wait till you see what's going to happen to that. Just ask people in Canada who wait months for an operation.

Regardless of what you do or say to try to justify it, taxation is theft, pure and simple.

Cheech.

Wingman Todd
08-06-14, 19:39
This was sent to me by a Libertarian friend of mine. I'm curious to hear your take on this! Rebuke any erroneous statements and please and help me distinguish fact from fiction! Guys, this is your over-the-weekend homework!

WMT.

Subject: Obama's accomplishments. Or lack of!

This showed up on a business website I connect on. Some interesting comments come in from retired military guys. This one was rather pointed.

By COL. ROBERT F. CUNNINGHAM and.

RISHOR, The Gilmer Mirror (a Northwest Texas paper).

Quit trashing Obama's accomplishments.

He has done more than any other President before him.

Here is a list of his impressive accomplishments:

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

First President to preside over a cut.

To the credit-rating of the United States.

First President to violate the War Powers Act.

First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on "shovel-ready" jobs when there was no such thing as "shovel-ready" jobs.

First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the USA, including those with criminal convictions.

First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.

First President to terminate America's ability to put a man in space.

First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.

First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.

First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

First President to go on multiple "global apology tours" and concurrent "insult our friends" tours.

First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers. (OPPS, he is gone again!

First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.

First President to repeat the Holy Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.

First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).

First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they "volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences. ".

Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion. (Thank God he didn't get away with THIS one.).

How is this hope and change working out for you?

It absolutely boggles the mind to try and comprehend all this guy has gotten away with. Any other president would have been impeached!

P.S. - also remember all the "phony scandals" - e. G. , IRS, fast and furious (gun running), Benghazi, changing law re Obama care, etc. , etc.

But in the words of the duck from Aflack Insurance, He is only "Half black"!

Oh, and please, Bush is not the POTUS now, so don't bring into this as Obummer does!!

WMT.

Resipsaloquito
08-07-14, 13:02
My point is that it always seems to be the other guy who's the fat, lazy taker- when in fact we all get "welfare" of some sort whether it be direct aid or a taxdeduction not available to all.

All VA and FHA loans are government guaranteed where the us government takes the risk on default but the lender keeps the profit when the loan performs properly.

Isn't that welfare for the bank? Yet it helps an important societal function.

Someone asked why he should help supplement the healthcare of someone who won't take care of themselves? The same reason that I help supplement the education of your children- its really good for our society as a whole to have both educated and healthy people.

One final point, Obamacare isn't just for the poor. The availability of healthcare even with pre-existing conditions is going to allow people like me who have plenty of money, but could not retire early because pre-existing conditions prevented healthcare at any cost from being obtained, to retire before medicare eligibility. This will free up opportunity for someone younger and allow me to go out and spend freely (also helping the economy).

Cheech1
08-07-14, 15:51
All takers my foot. Some things they try to force you to take, like Obummercare. The rest, theft at the point of a gun. I am not obligated to educate your children, but if you don't pay the property taxes, they will steal your property at the point of a gun. Are you getting the point? At the point of a gun, the government will do violence to you and your family if you don't pony up the money. Furthermore, the people who vote for these taxes often don't have the money that is being stolen to pay for them. You don't have the right to take your neighbor's money at gunpoint to guarantee the mortgage on your house, or to educate your kids. How then can you vote that right to others? You can't. Furthermore, as far as property taxes go, the renters who are fast becoming the majority in many areas have no problem voting for more taxes to give their children laptops, etc. The teachers unions strike for huge amounts of pay, yet the kids, especially the black kids, graduate without being able to read or do simple math. Yet the teachers get $100,000 a year to teach them. And the property owners get stuck with the bill. Its really good for our society to have healthy educated people? Perhaps so, but not on my dime. Don't steal my money, then print and borrow more and expect me and my grandchildren to pay it back.

Simply put, welfare in all its forms is theft. Neither you or anyone else has the right to make me pay for your healthcare, your kids education, your rent, your heat, your food, or anything else.


Cheech

Willow1535
08-07-14, 19:07
Yawn! That was way too easy. Thanks for the laugh.


This was sent to me by a Libertarian friend of mine. I'm curious to hear your take on this! Rebuke any erroneous statements and please and help me distinguish fact from fiction! Guys, this is your over-the-weekend homework!

WMT.

Subject: Obama's accomplishments. Or lack of!

This showed up on a business website I connect on. Some interesting comments come in from retired military guys. This one was rather pointed.

By COL. ROBERT F. CUNNINGHAM and.

RISHOR, The Gilmer Mirror (a Northwest Texas paper).

Quit trashing Obama's accomplishments.

He has done more than any other President before him.

Here is a list of his impressive accomplishments:

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

First President to preside over a cut.

To the credit-rating of the United States.

First President to violate the War Powers Act.

First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on "shovel-ready" jobs when there was no such thing as "shovel-ready" jobs.

First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the USA, including those with criminal convictions.

First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.

First President to terminate America's ability to put a man in space.

First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.

First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.

First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

First President to go on multiple "global apology tours" and concurrent "insult our friends" tours.

First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers. (OPPS, he is gone again!

First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.

First President to repeat the Holy Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.

First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).

First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they "volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences. ".

Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion. (Thank God he didn't get away with THIS one.).

How is this hope and change working out for you?

It absolutely boggles the mind to try and comprehend all this guy has gotten away with. Any other president would have been impeached!

P.S. - also remember all the "phony scandals" - e. G. , IRS, fast and furious (gun running), Benghazi, changing law re Obama care, etc. , etc.

But in the words of the duck from Aflack Insurance, He is only "Half black"!

Oh, and please, Bush is not the POTUS now, so don't bring into this as Obummer does!!

WMT.

Willow1535
08-07-14, 19:10
Teachers making a 100 k?


All takers my foot. Some things they try to force you to take, like Obummercare. The rest, theft at the point of a gun. I am not obligated to educate your children, but if you don't pay the property taxes, they will steal your property at the point of a gun. Are you getting the point? At the point of a gun, the government will do violence to you and your family if you don't pony up the money. Furthermore, the people who vote for these taxes often don't have the money that is being stolen to pay for them. You don't have the right to take your neighbor's money at gunpoint to guarantee the mortgage on your house, or to educate your kids. How then can you vote that right to others? You can't. Furthermore, as far as property taxes go, the renters who are fast becoming the majority in many areas have no problem voting for more taxes to give their children laptops, etc. The teachers unions strike for huge amounts of pay, yet the kids, especially the black kids, graduate without being able to read or do simple math. Yet the teachers get $100,000 a year to teach them. And the property owners get stuck with the bill. Its really good for our society to have healthy educated people? Perhaps so, but not on my dime. Don't steal my money, then print and borrow more and expect me and my grandchildren to pay it back.

Simply put, welfare in all its forms is theft. Neither you or anyone else has the right to make me pay for your healthcare, your kids education, your rent, your heat, your food, or anything else.


Cheech

Willow1535
08-07-14, 19:19
So lying to Congress and breaking the law is okay; as long as your guy does it? You look up to Oliver North? He is an ex con. In regards to your healthcare changes, due to Obamacare, you are either a liar, not intelligent or have 20 dependents included in your coverage. If you are paying that much. Let's be real here.


No because Harry Reid and the Senate would protect his sorry lieing ass by not finding him guilty Just like Clinton was protected by the Senate even with proof just like OB. My comment on WMD was spot on 87 88 against the Kurds both Mustard and Sarin gas used Those are WMDs they were not found so who knows where the little rat bastard secreted them off to but he had them and some 5000 were killed with them. Yes Regan did lie to Congress about helping anti communists fight the communists in Central America Glad he did. Even Oliver North said if he had to do it over again to stop Communism he would More power to him. Nixon on the other hand misused his powers and spied on his political enemies just like the IRS targeted Obamas enemies When an American ambassador asks for security improvements and is denied three to four times someone dropped the ball and needs to go to jail. FOUR people died including the Ambassador. Who do ya suppose dropped the ball HILLY BABY Obummer, Maybe Susan Rice who was told to lie to the American public even after the security council knew it wasn't a fucking video that caused the attacks What a lame assed excuse. It is amazing what Obummer NEVER knows when confronted with what any president should know if he has a COMPETENT administration behind him but when their incompentancies are pointed out OH I have the utmost confidence in these people REALLY?

Willow1535
08-07-14, 19:24
And you're not even good at it. If your premium went up that much and you stayed with it; no one can help you. Come on dude, let's at least be honest with each other.


Under Obama Care my co pay is now 9,345 dollars a year for the same coverage. I and my family also have to pay mandated pregnancy coverage even though I and my spouse can not have children Medical impossibility from a decade of testing Why we adopted children. I hate any party or it's leadership that lies about something as HUGE as health care which effects us all rich middle class and poor. Subsidized healthcare is even worse when it impacts themiddle class. According to the last poll 85 percent of all ACA healthcare recipiants are on subsidized health care which means taxpayers are paying for a bogus program. I want to choose my own doctor and my own coverage parts and the hospital I want to treat me. My rise in co pay is ludicrous and if you read the latest rise in premiums in the next year it is going to be unbelievable. The government has even lied and said there are 9 million new enrollees in ACA which is a lie There are 3 million only In 2013 by December the insurance companies cancelled over 6. 2 million policies With those cancellations and 9 million being thes current number only 3 million new enrollees have occured and most of them are subsized poor and medicaid with less than 25 percent being middle class The government needed 40 percent of young people and arent anywhere near it. When confronted with these irregularities and anamolies the President said on TV OH It appears I misspoke. NO MR PRESIDENT You lied like a dog to get your legacy passed that is nothing you presented it to be. Am I in favore of catestrophic health care YES Am I in favor of LEGAL AMERICANS poor or otherwise having health care YES Do I think predominantly one class or two be strapped with paying for the majority of everyone elses health issues NO.

PillowTalk69
08-07-14, 21:16
So lying to Congress and breaking the law is okay; as long as your guy does it? You look up to Oliver North? He is an ex con. In regards to your healthcare changes, due to Obamacare, you are either a liar, not intelligent or have 20 dependents included in your coverage. If you are paying that much. Let's be real here.You can't handle the truth I'm still waiting for my 2500 per year family deduction dickhead promised the families, being able to use my own doctor and hospital and would love to know what right the government has to choose my healthcare contained parts that I am fucking paying for. Same man who changed his own fucking ACA 40 times to make it say what he wanted it to without Constitutional authority. As far as North is concerned although originally found guilty on three charges tried and convicted and sentenced to three years of probation and 1200 hours of community service ALL CHARGES AGAINST HIM WERE DROPPED IN 1991 by Judge Gessell and his record was expunged Due your fuckiing research dip shit and don't let your mouth overload your ass You sound like a fking democrat member of the Obama administration

SpartanKY
08-07-14, 22:04
I have to roll my eyes at my Republican and Tea Party friends in this topic. It's exactly the sort of knee-jerk, fact-free reaction you've been giving that is ruining our party. We need to be the party of freedom and liberty, not the party of "no".

Did you know that we proposed a plan that was identical to Obamacare back in 1994? The United States healthcare system is fucked. We spend twice as much on healthcare as any nation on earth, and yet our healthcare is only ranked 37th in the world. Fucking Costa Rica is ahead of us in the quality of the care that they provide. We're America! We're never supposed to be anything but #1.

At least Obama did something. And he did something using a plan that twenty years ago, our side championed. And now what? We fucking distract ourselves with constantly trying to repeal it rather than actually trying to fix the nation. We should be the party of freedom. Instead, we're the party of idiots.

Willow1535
08-08-14, 01:56
Can you articulate a point without the foul language or name calling?

North was originally convicted and admitted he had lied to Congress during his testimony. He received a sentence of community service, house arrest and probation (3 year suspended sentence). Pretty light for what he had admitted to doing.

The funny thing is that he used the ACLU to have his convictions vacated on a technical issue. He was granted immunity for his testimony in front of Congress, which prohibited the Prosecutor from using that testimony against him.

Did he break the law yes; he admitted as much. Was his conviction vacated. Absolutely. Did Reagan lie to Congress. Yep. When the chips were down, Ollie turned to that great champion of Civil Rights, that the Right so adores, for help to get his behind out of a mess. You know; your pals from the ACLU.

You don't speak the truth. You're close on the North item. Looks like you know how to use Google.

PillowTalk69
08-08-14, 07:07
Can you articulate a point without the foul language or name calling?

North was originally convicted and admitted he had lied to Congress during his testimony. He received a sentence of community service, house arrest and probation (3 year suspended sentence). Pretty light for what he had admitted to doing.

The funny thing is that he used the ACLU to have his convictions vacated on a technical issue. He was granted immunity for his testimony in front of Congress, which prohibited the Prosecutor from using that testimony against him.

Did he break the law yes; he admitted as much. Was his conviction vacated. Absolutely. Did Reagan lie to Congress. Yep. When the chips were down, Ollie turned to that great champion of Civil Rights, that the Right so adores, for help to get his behind out of a mess. You know; your pals from the ACLU.

You don't speak the truth. You're close on the North item. Looks like you know how to use Google.


Can you articulate a point without the foul language or name calling?

North was originally convicted and admitted he had lied to Congress during his testimony. He received a sentence of community service, house arrest and probation (3 year suspended sentence). Pretty light for what he had admitted to doing.

The funny thing is that he used the ACLU to have his convictions vacated on a technical issue. He was granted immunity for his testimony in front of Congress, which prohibited the Prosecutor from using that testimony against him.

Did he break the law yes; he admitted as much. Was his conviction vacated. Absolutely. Did Reagan lie to Congress. Yep. When the chips were down, Ollie turned to that great champion of Civil Rights, that the Right so adores, for help to get his behind out of a mess. You know; your pals from the ACLU.

You don't speak the truth. You're close on the North item. Looks like you know how to use Google.If your conviction is vacated and record expunged you are no longer a FELON legal fact I curse because like Obama you speak half truths. Did he lie yes did he admit such yes did he break the law yes was his conviction overturned and record expunged and he by law is no longer a convicted felon yes Legal fact Don't tell someone he is a convicted felon when by LAW he has no conviction on his record. Unlike the President who has changed a law passed by congress some 40 times without going back to Congress the right way and has had SCOTUS slap his hands twice Hobby Lobby and recess appointments which both were illegal The man has no respect for separation of powers and believes the government has the right to tell it's citizens they MUST have health care set up the way the government wants it not the way we want it. AND if you don't get health care OUR CHOICE we have to pay a fine to the government because WE CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE HEALTH CARE / OUR CHOICE. The government that governs best is the one that governs less. Look up that quote Almost everything the government has tried to control in this nation they have fucked up and are still fucking it up. Stay out of our personal health choices That is OUR business not theirs. And since you say so I am OBVIOUSLY and uneducated man because you say so and therefore I am what you say I am

Cheech1
08-08-14, 11:21
I'm near Cleveland. And yes, teachers do get 100 k a year. Not all of them, but enough. On top of that, they get state pensions (stolen from taxpayers) and 2 months a year off. And take some time to check the stats on the educational achievement of blacks vs. White, Asian, Hispanic kids. And then check the stats comparing American kids to the rest of the world, we're not even in the top 10.

Cheech.

Willow1535
08-08-14, 18:55
North was convicted and admitted he broke the law. He did have his conviction vacated, but he and Reagan broke the law. Period. You other response says that you are okay with that, so I will move on. Breaking laws and lying to Congress appear to be okay in your book. What do you think about North using the ACLU? Now that is funny.

Your healthcare rant is just the same old. Well, for lack of a better word, propaganda. You're correct, it is your right to choose not to have healthcare, but it should also be the hospital's right to refuse care unless you can prove that you can pay for it. Even in the case of emergency situations. How would you resolve one of the biggest issues affecting our economy? Sit back and do nothing? That is exactly what the Republicans and some Democrats were doing.

By the way, you're not an unintelligent man because I say so, you are because you can't communicate in a proper manner. I teach my children that there is a proper way to exchange ideas and communicate with people. There is no reason for the name calling and vulgar language.

When you resort to those types of tactics, you are usually uneducated or lack self control. You can choose which one fits your scenario.

Good luck to you mate. Have a beverage this weekend and calm down a bit. Enjoy life.


If your conviction is vacated and record expunged you are no longer a FELON legal fact I curse because like Obama you speak half truths. Did he lie yes did he admit such yes did he break the law yes was his conviction overturned and record expunged and he by law is no longer a convicted felon yes Legal fact Don't tell someone he is a convicted felon when by LAW he has no conviction on his record. Unlike the President who has changed a law passed by congress some 40 times without going back to Congress the right way and has had SCOTUS slap his hands twice Hobby Lobby and recess appointments which both were illegal The man has no respect for separation of powers and believes the government has the right to tell it's citizens they MUST have health care set up the way the government wants it not the way we want it. AND if you don't get health care OUR CHOICE we have to pay a fine to the government because WE CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE HEALTH CARE / OUR CHOICE. The government that governs best is the one that governs less. Look up that quote Almost everything the government has tried to control in this nation they have fucked up and are still fucking it up. Stay out of our personal health choices That is OUR business not theirs. And since you say so I am OBVIOUSLY and uneducated man because you say so and therefore I am what you say I am

Cheech1
08-10-14, 12:37
Hopefully A2 will forgive me the length of this post. Its for those who think things are going well. Things are not.

Listening to mainstream market commentary on television and reading the financial press leaves one with the impression that the economic recovery is gaining strength and that stock market indexes, at or near all-time highs, will go higher still.

The litany of market happy talk is impressive. The unemployment rate has dropped to 6. 1%, down about four percentage points from its peak, and is expected to go lower in the months ahead. The economy created about 230,000 jobs per month in the first half of 2014, which brings the increase in jobs to nine million since the economic recovery began in mid-2009.

Interest rates remain low, which supports high asset valuations in stocks and housing. Inflation is tame and expectations about future inflation are well-anchored. To hear the stock market bulls tell the story, all is right with the world.

But all is not right. In fact, the fundamentals of the USA Economy are in awful condition and are getting worse. Almost everything about the happy talk story is superficial and falls apart under scrutiny. There is an alternative narrative of bad news that is seldom discussed on mainstream business channels but is well-known to analysts. When these adverse trends are taken into account, one conclusion in inescapable.

The stock market and economic fundamentals are on a collision course. One or the other will have to swerve. Either the economy will have to improve rapidly and unexpectedly and reverse its fundamental weakness, or inflated stock values are heading for a precipitous fall. The evidence suggests that the latter is more likely.

The first weak link in the "happy talk" chain is the nature of job creation. For example, it was reported that 288,000 jobs were created in June. But full-time jobs declined by 523,000, while part time jobs increased by about 800,000.

The widely reported increase in net jobs masked a disastrous loss of full-time jobs offset by a huge increase in part-time jobs. The part-time jobs offer fewer hours, lower pay, and fewer benefits. They may be better than no job at all, but they are not the kind of jobs that will support discretionary consumer spending on which the economy relies for growth.

This trend in part-time jobs is not new. There are 7. 5 million people working part-time on an involuntary basis compared with about 4. 4 million doing so in 2007. This rise in part-time jobs is expected to continue because it is driven in part by Obamacare, which does not require coverage for part-time workers. Employers are aware of this and simply cut full-time jobs and replace them with part-timers to reduce insurance costs.

Nor is there any comfort in the declining unemployment rate. Much of the decline is attributable not to job creation but rather to the decline in the number of people looking for work. Once people stop looking for a job, they are no longer technically "unemployed" and the unemployment rate drops even though no job has been found.

As columnist Mort Zuckerman said, "You might as well say that the unemployment rate would be zero if everyone stopped looking for work. " Only 62.8% of Americans participate in the work force today – the lowest level since 1978.

The news gets worse. Not only is labor-force participation low and full-time employment collapsing, but the productivity of those working is now in decline. This decline in productivity is another drag on growth. The reason for it is even more disturbing.

Productivity is declining because capital expenditures have slowed. Businesses are keeping up with demand by employing part-time workers instead of investing in the plants and equipment needed to make full-time workers more productive.

Not surprisingly, this triple-whammy of declining full-time jobs, declining productivity, and slowing capital investment means real wages are stagnant. If workers can't make more, they can't spend more without borrowing. Borrowing is more difficult because home equity has not recovered from the 2007 housing crash and lending standards are the most stringent in years. Companies won't invest in equipment if consumers can't spend.

The result is a death spiral of lower consumption, lower investment, declining productivity, stagnant wages, and underemployment all feeding on each other and making the overall economy weaker. This is the real reason for the shocking 2. 9% decline in first-quarter GDP. It was not the result of "cold weather," which, by the way, happens every winter.

There are other signs of ill health in labor markets. In a dynamic labor market, net job gains reflect large numbers of new jobs and lost jobs as employees confidently quit their jobs in the expectation of finding new ones.

But evidence reported by Goldman Sachs and James Pethokoukis of the American Enterprise Institute shows that job turnover has declined sharply as employees are extremely reluctant to quit their jobs in an uncertain environment. This tends to lock out the unemployed, who lose job-entry opportunities, and to weaken wage growth as employees lose leverage to demand raises.

Labor-force participation is unlikely to rise significantly partly because of generous benefits that provide an adequate lifestyle for those out of the labor force. The USA Has more than 50 million people on food stamps, 11 million on disability, and millions more on extended unemployment benefits. Prospective loss of these benefits creates a high hurdle to motivate a return to the workforce.

The news from abroad is no better. China is slowing precipitously and may be on the brink of a credit collapse. European growth is near zero and even the mighty German economy, the locomotive of Europe, is slowing partly because of weaker demand from Ukraine, Russia, and China.

Against this backdrop, mainstream voices are beginning to call USA Financial markets a bubble. The New York Times recently featured a front page story with the title, "Welcome to the Everything Boom, or Maybe the Everything Bubble. ".

The conservative Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland recently warned that stock markets had become "euphoric. " Even Janet Yellen of the Federal Reserve, the institution with the worst record for spotting asset bubbles, said that valuations of some securities "appear stretched. ".

So the conundrum is complete. Stock indexes March to all-time highs. Economic fundamentals fall apart. The two will be reconciled either with a spectacular turnaround in growth or a spectacular collapse in stock prices. The problem is that a turnaround in growth can only come from structural reform, not money printing.

Structural reform is the job of the White House and Congress, not the Federal Reserve. Since the White House and Congress are barely speaking, no help should be expected from that direction.

Therefore, a stock market collapse is almost inevitable and is probably coming soon.

This collapse will be the beginning of massive problems, so get ready.

Cheech.

PillowTalk69
08-12-14, 07:41
Will have his last go. Facts for the masses not PROPAGANDA. When ACA was first proposed not ONE Republican voted for it which is an absolute rarity in politics. Pelosi, Obama, and Clinton H are and were all quoted as stating if you want to keep your doctor hosptital and medical plans you CAN. Those were lies. Pelosi the village idiot of the House at that time said before we know what is in the ACA we must pass it then we can read it. Really doesn't work that way for something that effects 1/6 of the economy.

Fact for a plan that was to be Obama's signature plan and contribution to American's in 3 years Sebelius and HHR couldn't get it right on the web site construction. It cost Americans close to a billion dollars to date and it still does not work right. I checked my copay for my family of four and it is what I said it is through Anthem and it went from what I said it was. In spite of this Willow called me a liar. That I am NOT. There are many problems in this nation with many different causes ranging from Pelosi and Reid the resident trolls of the house of and Senate to Boehner who can't control the Tea Party Caucus which is also a big problem. Fact there have been over 300 bipartisan bills sent to the Senate and still sit on Harry's desk to date with no action taken. Of course Boehner and the house have to reciprocate by not passing what comes to the House they may not like. Obama talks a good game "I am willing to work with anybody to get these issues solved LIE. It is his way or the highway and the House of course has to get into the act also. Fact there are over 11.7 million illegal aliens in America by admission on both sides Fact. Why not go through the normal steps of becoming a citizen. We have laws coverning that however if you want your party to stay in control you overlook certain things.

Fact everone feels sorry for kids who come here due to conditions in their own country Fact we can't support in this economy those who flood our borders with health, medical, dental, vision, education and subsidization. This is not a welfare state but is quickly becoming one. Send them back Sorry my feelings. My grandparents and parents came here the old fasioned way, got their citizenship the old fashioned way and it worked for them. Our borders are not secure and without proper funding or moving down the national and state guards won't be.

Last but not least, not caring what party is in the White House THE IRS should NEVER be used to target groups, dispense those groups personal information to a Federal Elections board nor be run in part or in total by prejudiced people who do not like them because they do not care for those things they stand for the Tea Party Amercian Patriots ETC. You damned sure don't refer to them in and IRS email as a bunch of assholes whether you feel that way or not and you damned sure don't LOSE your emails appropriately when a government oversite committee asks for your records that by law must be kept for a set amount of time. If we lost our tax records what would be our punishment. Fact we have a screwed up nation that is so fucking worried about keeping power and ruling they have lost site of what their purpose is SERVING THE PEOPLE and that goes for both parties. So FACT if you don't like what is going on in Washington CLEAN HOUSE and get in different people regardless of party. Someone who will serve us and do what is best for AMERICA If they lie to us vote them out again and again and again until we get someone or some people in who WILL SERVE US and not the big banks, corporations and monied interests. If we can't get this then it makes no difference in the long run. It will all be downhill with the same old same old in control. One last thought Sir Willow cursing is a bad thing to you and an indication of intelligence or lack there of. How does fucking total strangers in the hobby ladies who might have drug issues, sticking ones cock up a ladies ass, eating a ladies pussy who has had how many dicks in it in a day, pushing fingers and tongues into each others asses, rank on the intelligence quotient scale to you? We all have our choices in life and when I get mad I choose using good old fashioned hard language. Many of us depending on your acceptance levels of actions and activities would NEVER qualify for the poster child of the year for intelligenece now would they/we? JMO and have a good rest of the year. PT.

Cheech1
08-12-14, 10:15
Personally, I believe its to late to save the situation. The best we can do is to prepare for the proverbial shit hitting the fan so we can live through it. That is, if Obama and the clan in Washington don't start a nuclear war against Russia first.

As far as my intelligence, I love licking pussy, and ass from time to time if its nice, clean, and female, as well as inserting my fingers here and there. I always think of the science of sex while I do it. LOL.

Cheech.

UPullAndPay2
08-13-14, 13:16
90% of this Post is 100% TRUE!! My Insurance was canceled! It now cost me double with a $10.000. 00 deductible! Obama should be in JAIL for his crimes against us!


This was sent to me by a Libertarian friend of mine. I'm curious to hear your take on this! Rebuke any erroneous statements and please and help me distinguish fact from fiction! Guys, this is your over-the-weekend homework!

WMT.

Subject: Obama's accomplishments. Or lack of!

This showed up on a business website I connect on. Some interesting comments come in from retired military guys. This one was rather pointed.

By COL. ROBERT F. CUNNINGHAM and.

RISHOR, The Gilmer Mirror (a Northwest Texas paper).

Quit trashing Obama's accomplishments.

He has done more than any other President before him.

Here is a list of his impressive accomplishments:

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

First President to preside over a cut.

To the credit-rating of the United States.

First President to violate the War Powers Act.

First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on "shovel-ready" jobs when there was no such thing as "shovel-ready" jobs.

First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the USA, including those with criminal convictions.

First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.

First President to terminate America's ability to put a man in space.

First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.

First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.

First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

First President to go on multiple "global apology tours" and concurrent "insult our friends" tours.

First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers. (OPPS, he is gone again!

First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.

First President to repeat the Holy Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.

First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).

First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they "volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences. ".

Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion. (Thank God he didn't get away with THIS one.).

How is this hope and change working out for you?

It absolutely boggles the mind to try and comprehend all this guy has gotten away with. Any other president would have been impeached!

P.S. - also remember all the "phony scandals" - e. G. , IRS, fast and furious (gun running), Benghazi, changing law re Obama care, etc. , etc.

But in the words of the duck from Aflack Insurance, He is only "Half black"!

Oh, and please, Bush is not the POTUS now, so don't bring into this as Obummer does!!

WMT.

Admin2
08-13-14, 23:56
This was sent to me by a Libertarian friend of mine. I'm curious to hear your take on this! Rebuke any erroneous statements and please and help me distinguish fact from fiction! Guys, this is your over-the-weekend homework!

First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.This would have been one of the Founders John Adams while he was president in 1797. From the Treaty of Tripoli;.


As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of MussulmenSorry to jump into this pointless never ending argument (I told you it would be like this) but the extreme right that is trying to rewrite history to say that the USA was founded as a christian nation really piss me the fuck off. The US is a nation of law, not theology.

It's those same fucks that make it a crime for chicks to sell pussy.

Please by all means, resume this pointless exercise, but thank you very much for confining yourselves to this thread.

A2.

PillowTalk69
08-14-14, 08:42
This would have been one of the Founders John Adams while he was president in 1797. From the Treaty of Tripoli;.

Sorry to jump into this pointless never ending argument (I told you it would be like this) but the extreme right that is trying to rewrite history to say that the USA was founded as a christian nation really piss me the fuck off. The US is a nation of law, not theology.

It's those same fucks that make it a crime for chicks to sell pussy.

Please by all means, resume this pointless exercise, but thank you very much for confining yourselves to this thread.

A2.http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06.html Doesn't quite jibe with this link So who is right?

Cheech1
08-14-14, 14:34
Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. The problem is the same whenever people with strong religious view get into power, they attempt by whatever means they can to force their religious views on everyone. This leads to things like STONING WOMEN FOR ADULTERY and BEHEADING CHRISTIAN CHILDREN. And I might catch some flak for this, but the worst offenders are the Muslims. At least in modern times.

I personally do not believe in god, or gods, or any of the other omnipotent, omnipresent, or omnibenevolent beings that supposedly exist. All fairy tales. I support your right to believe in fairy tales, however, as long as you don't try to shove them down my throat.

Besides, all those beings are too busy watching children starve and die from disease to be concerned about us. Too busy watching thousands of people die in wars, vaporized by atomic bombs, starved to death.

Cheech.

ColdFusion2500
08-14-14, 14:59
Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. The problem is the same whenever people with strong religious view get into power, they attempt by whatever means they can to force their religious views on everyone. This leads to things like STONING WOMEN FOR ADULTERY and BEHEADING CHRISTIAN CHILDREN. And I might catch some flak for this, but the worst offenders are the Muslims. At least in modern times.

I personally do not believe in god, or gods, or any of the other omnipotent, omnipresent, or omnibenevolent beings that supposedly exist. All fairy tales. I support your right to believe in fairy tales, however, as long as you don't try to shove them down my throat.

Besides, all those beings are too busy watching children starve and die from disease to be concerned about us. Too busy watching thousands of people die in wars, vaporized by atomic bombs, starved to death.

Cheech.You don't believe in Olympus? Zeus, Apollo, Aphroditey, Hera, LOL.

Resipsaloquito
08-14-14, 15:28
0 ver 95% of the signers of the declaration of independence belonged nominally to one of 3 religions (Episcopalean- Church of England: Presbyterian. Church of Scotland: or Unitarian) 2 were Quakers and only 1 (Charles Carroll from Maryland) was Catholic.

Thomas Jefferson and ben Franklin were both strong Deists who believed that proof of God came solely from observation of the natural world and rejected religious beliefs directed from the highrer authorities of any church.

Thomas Jefferson rewrote the new testament as to remove any references to miracles and the resurrection since he believed them to be fantasies created for the weak minded to believe.

They were all decendants of English / Scottish ancestry and were therefore all well aware of the problems / genocide associated with state sponsored religions and wanted nothing to do with them.

So Endeth the lesson.

Res Ipsa.

Admin2
08-14-14, 19:08
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06.html Doesn't quite jibe with this link So who is right?John Adams the man was an intensely religious person and the country was probably well served because of it. John Adams when speaking as the President, for the United States as a country, understood that his personal religious convictions had no place in determining the policy of the country. Since he helped found it, he knew it was a nation of laws, not a theocracy.

What was written about Jefferson was correct, that amended bible is still in the Library of Congress. He pretty much invented the concept of searching for the "Historic Jesus." I have no issues with politicians whose ideas and sensibilities are informed with a Judeo Christian orientation. I have a massive issue with politicians who think their Judeo Christian concepts should be the foundation of law. Specifically because they like to cherry pick those ideas. If not, why the fuck isn't pork against the law. Why aren't those fucks calling for the stoning of Mark Sanford? He was an adulterer and the bible is pretty clear on that. Newt has been married like 100 times, stone that fucker as well.

It's the hypocrisy of those fucks that piss me off. 60% divorce rate among strait people but somehow gays getting married is going to undermine the family? 50% of all people (yes chicks as well) have affairs but women can't sell pussy because it will have a negative effect on society. Fuck all those cocksuckers.

Golfcart
08-14-14, 21:02
Fuck all those cocksuckers.Let's don't and say we did.

Cheech1
08-15-14, 10:42
Lets just fuck the hot female ones and leave the rest alone.

Cheech.

P.S. Admin, I've been impressed by your erudition lately, seems we have solidly educated company.

"C"

Except your autocorrect sometimes irritates me.

PillowTalk69
08-15-14, 11:10
Lets just fuck the hot female ones and leave the rest alone.

Cheech.

P.S. Admin, I've been impressed by your erudition lately, seems we have solidly educated company.

"C"

Except your autocorrect sometimes irritates me.Jenna of Dayton and Rachel Myles are two of the best around and both love to bring forth the wellspring of life and make good use of it when it arrives. Jenna loves to talk dirty to you if you ask her two and that enhances the feelings I also understand FF is a great cock sucker and I am looking forward to trying out Leah without teeth and I understand she throws a great gum job with finish.

CurvyChristina
09-02-14, 12:24
If We the girls have a say so?

Although I'd live to yell YES POLITICS PLEASE! But I know this forum is here for other reasons, maybe just another thread can help because I'll be honest, if I prepare any more for Marshall Law, they will run an episode of dooms day peppers at my house! I'd love to pick brains on this, I don't know about the other girls clients but myself I have a TON of soldiers that scare me to death! I don't know who or what to believe and thank goodness for those clients who provide me with OPEN communication on the phone and through text because Every-time another of my soldiers pass through I hear more scary info, I usually just pass the info around within my soldiers circle an believe only what they majority agree on, but if we had an open thread of men I could share info with, I'd love that!

But NOT on here because I like these threads just as is, and if the guys here talk politics so passionately like my soldiers do, I can see this forum being taken completely over in a short time with that topic.

Cheech1
09-04-14, 22:49
This particular thread is for political discussions. It's difficult, though, because the subject causes so much inflammation. If there was a way to make people use references to facts that can be posted in their argument and then verified by the reader, it would be easier to keep conversations civil. Unfortunately, its difficult to get people to do that, for one thing, and for another most people don't have a clue as to what's going on. I mean us mongers and the wonderful women who take care of our needs are more aware of things dealing with the police and so on, because we are more exposed to that arena and it is good for us to know how to handle ourselves, but the vast majority, and I do mean vast, haven't a clue of what's going on.

Good day.

Cheech.

Fulanito28
09-26-14, 18:56
Nice. The only thing I like more than sex is politics. So is this really a political thread or are people going to call me racist if I say Obama is a piece of shit?

CurvyChristina
09-28-14, 12:54
Hi!

I see a lot of military clients who enjoy a little pillow talk to help relieve their PTSD as well as voice their personal opinion of what they are being sent to do, currently my worries are this. Now I've never been a conspiracy theorist so please stop me where needed, so far the latest pillow talk is this. Fema camps ordered by Obama, police state and Martial Law.

I've been sent videos by clients (not releasing that info), where they are working on the camps in Indiana, stating it's an old train station, now surrounded by barbwire, keeping people in not OUT, this one particular solider is telling me Obama wants the homesless rounded up and placed in these camps, he sends pics here and there of what looks like row houses, not really death camps there is plumbing and heating and air I seen units for these long houses, obvious homeless guys helping build things.

My client says when Obama comes to disarm us he doesn't want us being able to rely on the homeless who would know the "terrain" better then regular civilians, he is said to also fear a lot of vets being homesless assisting us with military knowledge of how they operate when doing things like this, apparently my clients believe Obama will scare us with "Isis" being on us soil to creat a panic of following a martial law for our own safety, I've seen videos from civilians going down the highway using their cell phone to show military convoy and new trucks with lettering (UN) on sides of trucks, they are on back of flat bed big Riggs and right here in ohio. I'm told to stock up on WATER and CAN GOODS an one solider told my husband to BUT BULLETS! ANY bullets! I asked well bullets to guns we don't even own won't do us much good?

He went into explaining the "barter system" an he said he isn't worried about me spreading the word because the usual american truly believes it will never happen on US SOIL and America will never go for this shit!

He said shock and awe will be every where!

So what do you think? Should I keep stocking or are all these active soldiers just nuts?

UOnlyLiveOnce
09-29-14, 08:09
I find it kind of hard to believe Obama's doing much of anything at this point. Looks to me like he's biding time until he can leave office and start collecting $100 K per speech. I guess it sucks when your signature legislation (the Unaffordable Care Act) is so bad that even liberals can't stand him anymore.

The person who scares me is Hillary. I can definitely see Nurse Wretched building facilities for a whole bunch of us. Heaven forbid she gets anywhere near the Oval Office because if she does, the USA Is definitely toast then.

Gone T M
09-30-14, 13:28
...

So what do you think? Should I keep stocking or are all these active soldiers just nuts?...You could say I'm in the industry, I'll leave it at that.

#1 - I believe it is every able-bodied American's duty to own at least one firearm and have ammunition for it (that's why Japan didn't invade when Pearl Harbor was destroyed, it's also why Switzerland has been able to remain neutral and sovereign). Also, a very minimum of training goes a long way. Remember, farmers beat the largest, most organized military in the world to secure a new nation. We can do it again with the help of the Oath Keepers (google them if you've never heard of them). #2 - Properly purchased & stored ammunition does not go bad and will outlast us all. Other than market spikes, the price of ammunition has never gone down for any length of time. #3 - When you look at US history, FEMA, the Red Cross, etc. Is only a recent development. Until recently, we've not had a government to rely on in times of crisis, now we're completely dependent on it. You should be able to care for yourself and your family for a MINIMUM of 7 days for local disasters (storms, riots, etc.) and 30 days for regional disasters. How many people have a full week's worth of meals in their house WITHOUT power (refrigeration & grid powered electric or gas stove)? Very few, hence near term looting. #4 - Some religions (mainline Mormons, aka Latter Day Saints) require of their membership to have ONE YEAR of food stored for their family. #5 - You have insurance for your car, your house, your health. Why not your ability to eat?

So, we could all spend a fortune preparing for the "big one" that may never come. What's prudent and will put you ahead of 99% of Americans? Here's my minimum prudent list:

* One defensive firearm for each able bodied person (yes, some children certainly qualify) and two hundred rounds of ammo for each firearm and at least four magazines or speedloaders for each. Those that can not defend themselves become sheep to the slaughter. * Three days of water (1 gal / person / day) ready to go, properly stored for safety (water does in fact, go bad if stored incorrectly) or frequently rotated. Also the ability to filter and sterilize water for 30 days. * Two weeks of food for the whole family that does not require refrigeration or complex preparation. (You can count on what's in your freezer for one day, what's in your fridge for one day after that usually.) This will keep you outside the riot zone known as box stores. * $400 cash (not in a bank, but CASH in hand, at home), another $100+ in barter-able silver coin, junk or bullion. * A good set of standard hand tools & two sets of quality work wear.

Additional thoughts:

Cities will be hit hardest should this kind of thing occur. It won't, but being prepared has never hurt anyone. I HIGHLY DOUBT it as there are enough gun-totin' patriots out there that are willing to die to preserve our way of life. There are enough cops and military who believe this as well (Oath Keepers) and there are plenty others who aren't willing to die to enforce someone else's beliefs against the Constitution. I firmly believe that Obama hates America and what it stood for (yes, past tense) and is doing his best to erode that. Groundwork was laid two generations ago and more fundamental work is being laid now that a generation or two from now, we will be a nanny state. If there is to be martial law in the US, it will have to be by a foreign army, or UN based army. Leaders at the top of the armed services have been being weeded out with questions surrounding the firing on US civilians.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, nor am I a right-wing nut job. But I do have my eyes open.

Be prudent, but enjoy yourself. Living in fear is no way to live, so get to where you feel comfortable and pay attention. If you would like more information, I'd be happy to point you in some good directions.

Cheech1
10-13-14, 10:38
I'm going to write a long response to Christina's question. I'm going to write in on word because its going to be long and hopefully with a lot of info on what I think is coming. Do I have any special qualifications? Well, except for the past having been an insurance agent and stockbroker for 17 years, and having also done a little time some years ago, which gives me both the low and the high, so to speak; my only qualification is knowledge of finance, markets, and the fact that I have no life so I spend a great deal of time reading.

Hopefully people will read, do a little research, and us mongers and hookers will survive to have some fun, but I don't have a lot of confidence in that.

More coming.

Cheech.

Swami222
10-13-14, 14:58
Nice. The only thing I like more than sex is politics. So is this really a political thread or are people going to call me racist if I say Obama is a piece of shit?But only because you single out Obama. Our political system has become a piece of shit, due to all the POS politicians who have created it in their image. Corporations and special interests control everything political in this country. I can't vote anymore because the system will only allow (other) sociopaths to attain any significant federal office. DC is a world of bribery, payoffs, and back room deals. Remember when little Bush (a particularly fragrant POS) and his bankers bullied congress at a "special session" into voting FOR the bailout of banks "too big to fail"? After congress had already voted with a resounding "NO"? Not many do.

Career politicians, no term limits, unfettered campaign contributions, lobbyists, lack of accountability. These things prohibit fixing the system. It is just too corrupt.

If they find stolen money in my freezer, I go to jail. When they find it in a politician's freezer, they have a "hearing". Followed by a reception featuring sweet and sour shrimp.

When Obama leaves office he will be replaced by some POS with different special interests. These creeps will never give up what they have lied, misled, and cheated to obtain. As the great Frank Zappa (who would have made a great president) said in his song "the meek shall inherit nothing":

You say your life's a bum deal, and you're up against the wall.

People, you ain't even got no kinda deal at all.

'because what they do, in Washington.

They just takes care of number one.

And number one ain't you.

You ain't even number two!

UPullAndPay2
10-13-14, 15:36
Do a little research!! Don't dwell on this or it will drive you nuts! But be prepared.

Disarming Americans is just one of many things that could happen, EMP BLAST. Loss of Electricity VIRUS, RACIAL UNREST, Ferguson Mo. Expanding TERRORIST ATTACK. AND A FEW MORE.

QUOTE So what do you think? Should I keep stocking or are all these active soldiers just nuts? Not Nuts!! What is the worst thing that could happen if your prepared? & What is the worst thing that could happen if your not prepared?

I don't have PTSD, But I am prepared. Having PTSD will make you Paranoid! But you know what they say! Your not Paranoid if they are out to get you! Better Safe than Sorry!

Cheech1
10-13-14, 17:45
So these are my thoughts regarding what's potentially coming. This is going to be long, and for that I apologize to A2 in advance. Some people will agree, some will think I am nuts. I throw my thoughts out there hoping that people will do their own research and decide for themselves what they should do and prepare for.

The main problem is the government creation of money. That is the single overriding cause of all the problems the country has had for the last 100 years. Every government for the last 2,500 years that has debased their currency has fallen. Every single one. The problem is that our government seems to think they can continue to debase the currency by creating more money and a different result will follow. The end result will be a default by the USA Government on its obligations. Following from that will be the end of welfare and government pensions including social security. This will come soon. It is not possible to continually create money without this end result. This crash will be triggered by the refusal of other countries to buy American debt, the demand for debt to be paid rather than rolled over, and the demand for gold reserves held in America to be returned, said demand being refused, (Germany has already experienced this). Ask any woman who goes food shopping on a regular basis, what's going on with food prices.

The government will most likely attempt to forestall this result by starting WWIII. This is where people will start to say that I am nuts. It has already started, though. Look at Europe. The USA, through NATO, and with its own bases, has been working on surrounding Russia and China for many years. Russia and China have been working on backing their currencies with gold, and China has been buying gold by the ton and not reporting it accurately to the financial media. They are also beginning to set up systems to settle their international trading with their own currencies, rather than with the petrodollar. If they are successful in generating widespread trade settlement in currencies other than the dollar, that will trigger the collapse. (One trigger.) The USA Has been poking Russia with a stick, but Putin hasn't been dumb enough to take the bait. This is where potentially the shit will hit the fan, as there is a significant contingent of hawks in the USA Government who believe the USA Could survive a nuclear war, and think that a first strike from us is the solution.

But that is not what will happen first, I don't think. I think the currency will collapse prior to a war being started, and the result of that collapse is what we have to be prepared for by thinking about what it will bring.

Inflation will be first, I mean really bad inflation, think Argentina, think Socialist Germany prior to WWII. If that happens, the urban poor will be the first to feel the effect. Especially if it happens in winter. Up north. Think no heat. Think no fireplaces in most homes. Think about no rent assistance. Think no electricity. So there will be riots. And they will be bad, because they will be driven by people who are hungry and cold, and there will be no one really to stop them. There will be no safe place within one day's walk of any urban area. What about the police? Well, the police don't repress people for free. When there is no rent assistance, the landlords will stop paying property taxes, because they won't have the money. The people who live in homes they own won't be paying taxes because they will be using every dime they can find to buy food and heat. So the cities won't have the money to make payroll, and those cops will be looking for food and heat too. So the only way will be martial law, with government troops and then we'll see how things go. The Constitution will be thrown out the window, look at how things were going in Boston after the marathon bombing. House to house searches by troops or the next best thing with no warrants, and did you see any complaints in the media? Nobody said a thing.

By the way, Obama is a particularly odious pos, because blacks will suffer most in the coming problems. But really, they have all been pieces of shit since Roosevelt, with the exception of Kennedy, who was assassinated by LBJ precisely because he wasn't a pos.

Respectfully submitted, with my apologies to A2 in advance.

Cheech.

Swami222
10-13-14, 20:48
So these are my thoughts regarding what's potentially coming. This is going to be long, and for that I apologize to A2 in advance. Some people will agree, some will think I am nuts. I throw my thoughts out there hoping that people will do their own research and decide for themselves what they should do and prepare for.

The main problem is the government creation of money. That is the single overriding cause of all the problems the country has had for the last 100 years. Every government for the last 2,500 years that has debased their currency has fallen. Every single one. The problem is that our government seems to think they can continue to debase the currency by creating more money and a different result will follow. The end result will be a default by the USA Government on its obligations. Following from that will be the end of welfare and government pensions including social security. This will come soon. It is not possible to continually create money without this end result. This crash will be triggered by the refusal of other countries to buy American debt, the demand for debt to be paid rather than rolled over, and the demand for gold reserves held in America to be returned, said demand being refused, (Germany has already experienced this). Ask any woman who goes food shopping on a regular basis, what's going on with food prices.

The government will most likely attempt to forestall this result by starting WWIII. This is where people will start to say that I am nuts. It has already started, though. Look at Europe. The USA, through NATO, and with its own bases, has been working on surrounding Russia and China for many years. Russia and China have been working on backing their currencies with gold, and China has been buying gold by the ton and not reporting it accurately to the financial media. They are also beginning to set up systems to settle their international trading with their own currencies, rather than with the petrodollar. If they are successful in generating widespread trade settlement in currencies other than the dollar, that will trigger the collapse. (One trigger.) The USA Has been poking Russia with a stick, but Putin hasn't been dumb enough to take the bait. This is where potentially the shit will hit the fan, as there is a significant contingent of hawks in the USA Government who believe the USA Could survive a nuclear war, and think that a first strike from us is the solution.

But that is not what will happen first, I don't think. I think the currency will collapse prior to a war being started, and the result of that collapse is what we have to be prepared for by thinking about what it will bring.

Inflation will be first, I mean really bad inflation, think Argentina, think Socialist Germany prior to WWII. If that happens, the urban poor will be the first to feel the effect. Especially if it happens in winter. Up north. Think no heat. Think no fireplaces in most homes. Think about no rent assistance. Think no electricity. So there will be riots. And they will be bad, because they will be driven by people who are hungry and cold, and there will be no one really to stop them. There will be no safe place within one day's walk of any urban area. What about the police? Well, the police don't repress people for free. When there is no rent assistance, the landlords will stop paying property taxes, because they won't have the money. The people who live in homes they own won't be paying taxes because they will be using every dime they can find to buy food and heat. So the cities won't have the money to make payroll, and those cops will be looking for food and heat too. So the only way will be martial law, with government troops and then we'll see how things go. The Constitution will be thrown out the window, look at how things were going in Boston after the marathon bombing. House to house searches by troops or the next best thing with no warrants, and did you see any complaints in the media? Nobody said a thing.

By the way, Obama is a particularly odious pos, because blacks will suffer most in the coming problems. But really, they have all been pieces of shit since Roosevelt, with the exception of Kennedy, who was assassinated by LBJ precisely because he wasn't a pos.

Respectfully submitted, with my apologies to A2 in advance.

Cheech.He just wasn't an effective president.

Resipsaloquito
10-14-14, 09:46
I am so happy that I live in that small apparently small portion of the USA that has actually improved in the last six years.

My business is thriving such that I can now pay my lowest paid worker $16/ hr (up $5/ hr from 6 years ago).

My investments have done very well (except for the current correction going on).

Friends have been able to retire early because their pre-existing conditions don't prevent them from getting health insurance and they no longer have to work until eligible for medicare.

I attended a very nice wedding between two gay friends last year (the decorations and food were fabulous, but I admit the female impersonaters as entertainment was a little strange).

I am going to take some of my bounty and monger later today and create a true trickle down effect. Ronald Reagan would be proud.

UPullAndPay2
10-14-14, 09:52
But only because you single out Obama. Our political system has become a piece of shit, due to all the POS politicians who have created it in their image. Corporations and special interests control everything political in this country. I can't vote anymore because the system will only allow (other) sociopaths to attain any significant federal office. DC is a world of bribery, payoffs, and back room deals. Remember when little Bush (a particularly fragrant POS) and his bankers bullied congress at a "special session" into voting FOR the bailout of banks "too big to fail"? After congress had already voted with a resounding "NO"? Not many do.

Career politicians, no term limits, unfettered campaign contributions, lobbyists, lack of accountability. These things prohibit fixing the system. It is just too corrupt.

If they find stolen money in my freezer, I go to jail. When they find it in a politician's freezer, they have a "hearing". Followed by a reception featuring sweet and sour shrimp.

When Obama leaves office he will be replaced by some POS with different special interests. These creeps will never give up what they have lied, misled, and cheated to obtain. As the great Frank Zappa (who would have made a great president) said in his song "the meek shall inherit nothing":

You say your life's a bum deal, and you're up against the wall.

People, you ain't even got no kinda deal at all.

'because what they do, in Washington.

They just takes care of number one.

And number one ain't you.

You ain't even number two!I hate Obama because he is a lying POS! Not because he is Black, Remember Obama is only Half black raised by white grandparents!!

List of Obama Lies and law breaking! You won't see this list on MSNBC!!

http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/

UOnlyLiveOnce
10-14-14, 14:34
The rest of the problem? In a word, us.

Don't get me wrong, I think Obama is a POS, as are most of the things in DC passing laws even they themselves don't understand. But who puts these people there? Um, us, the voters.

True, Obama knew good and well he was totally effin incompetent to be elected dog catcher, let alone prez. But he wouldn't be president if enough voters would have looked past all the hope and change talk and looked at his actual track record, which was pretty much nothing. And you would think the whole Jeremiah Wright debacle would have ended his political career, but no dice. Too many people were focused on how Obama made them feel, as opposed to thinking about what he would actually do if elected to office. Well, how's that hope and change stuff working for us now?

And folks, the only reason anyone could even fathom Hillary for prez in 2016 is because of how stupid voters were in 1996 when they reelected Bill. His only accomplishment, if you could call it that, by 1996 was his failed attempt to nationalize health care. Yet we reelected him anyway.

Swami222
10-14-14, 14:57
I hate Obama because he is a lying POS! Not because he is Black, Remember Obama is only Half black raised by white grandparents!!

List of Obama Lies and law breaking! You won't see this list on MSNBC!!

http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/I am not well informed about the details of recent modern politics, since being so would require more zoloft and xanax than I could find. But I do know that I have seen similar lists for every president since I have paid attention. Hell, GW made up over 50 words in his speeches and said some of the stupidest things I have ever heard, yet we re-elected him. And if the Patriot Act isn't illegal, then I'm half black and was raised by Obama's white grandparents. Every word that comes out of ANY modern president's mouth is a calculated lie designed to win support at any cost.

The system is the problem. Whoever has the most money gets elected. And since the supreme court (even the highest court is corrupt) ruled that corporations can contribute to campaigns as if they were just ordinary citizens, the ones with the most money are certified patsies who do what they are told.

I don't think it can be fixed.

Zoloft, anyone?

Swami222
10-14-14, 15:28
The rest of the problem? In a word, us.

Don't get me wrong, I think Obama is a POS, as are most of the things in DC passing laws even they themselves don't understand. But who puts these people there? Um, us, the voters.

True, Obama knew good and well he was totally effin incompetent to be elected dog catcher, let alone prez. But he wouldn't be president if enough voters would have looked past all the hope and change talk and looked at his actual track record, which was pretty much nothing. And you would think the whole Jeremiah Wright debacle would have ended his political career, but no dice. Too many people were focused on how Obama made them feel, as opposed to thinking about what he would actually do if elected to office. Well, how's that hope and change stuff working for us now?

And folks, the only reason anyone could even fathom Hillary for prez in 2016 is because of how stupid voters were in 1996 when they reelected Bill. His only accomplishment, if you could call it that, by 1996 was his failed attempt to nationalize health care. Yet we reelected him anyway.To get on a national ballot, you have to be a sociopath. You must live your entire adult life under a microscope, preparing for the day when the deep pockets certify you and put you on the ballot. And if you get elected, you will toe the line or be blocked every step of the way. I think Obama found out the hard way, and now he is as good a crook as any of them.

Ultimately, the best man doesn't win. The best liar does. There are exceptions. Bernie Sanders is a "democratic socialist", and the wild and crazy state of Vermont keeps electing him. He refuses to accept the corrupt cronyism that is Congress, and is of course smeared as a crackpot. He will run for president in 2016, but the political machine will chew him up and spit him out. Because you CAN'T be president if you aren't endorsed by corporate America.

I have to stop before I get too worked up.

Cheech1
10-15-14, 16:09
We do elect them, we do put them there. Why? Propaganda. Look at the crap we are fed in schools as kids, then extrapolate that into adulthood. Look at the crap you see on TV. Look at all the shows that glorify the armed services, the police, the prosecutors. The young people and the blacks, for the most part, elected Obama. Black people voted for him because he's black, or appears to be. This is not a racist statement, it is truth. I have personally been told by black people that they voted for Obama because he's black. Young people voted for him because he's black. The people who looked at experience and background did not vote for him. This is because they want someone who has some small chance of knowing what he is doing running the country. But its not just about Obama. With the exception of Ron Paul, virtually every member of congress is there to line their own pockets. They all lie, they are all corrupt. Then look at what the people do with their spare time. They watch football, baseball, basketball. Talk about Nero fiddling while Rome burned. This country is doomed.

Cheech.

UOnlyLiveOnce
10-30-14, 20:22
I think I'm going to stay away from the polls next week. I'm just too disgusted anymore for it to be worth the trouble. Costa Rica sounds better all the time.

UPullAndPay2
11-03-14, 16:35
VOTE Everyone VOTE.

Cheech1
11-08-14, 12:52
I beg to differ on voting. When you have to choose between the lessor of multiple evils, when true libertarians (people who endorse and stand for true freedom) can't get on the ballot, when it costs so much to run for election that a politician has to sell his soul to the corporations and special interests, you are not voting. What you are doing is putting your imprinture of approval on the corrupted process. Then, the system uses that approval to screw us, the people.

Respectfully submitted,

Cheech.

Silverfly
11-09-14, 00:05
I beg to differ on voting. When you have to choose between the lessor of multiple evils, when true libertarians (people who endorse and stand for true freedom) can't get on the ballot, when it costs so much to run for election that a politician has to sell his soul to the corporations and special interests, you are not voting. What you are doing is putting your imprinture of approval on the corrupted process. Then, the system uses that approval to screw us, the people.

Respectfully submitted,

Cheech.All I have to say is vote, if you do not vote you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. If you voted and it did not go your way at least you tried, and have every right to talk about the outcome. If you did not vote well then shut up you do not have the right to say it did not come out the way you wanted because you are too lazy or too stupid to at least try and make a change. I would like to know why of all the nations that have elections is it that USA has the lowest percentage of votes that at least try to vote??

Cheech1
11-10-14, 12:53
Once again, I beg to differ. Your vote does not make a damn bit of difference. The government propagandizes that it does, however to draw a veil of legitimacy over the process by which the American citizen is being hoodwinked. All your vote does is make it appear that the people have some control over the outcome of things, when in fact the people who really are in control are the people who pull the strings behind the scenes, and if you don't believe that you should spend more time reading outside the government approved and controlled newspapers, and the talking heads on the TV.

Best regards,

Cheech.

Cheech1
11-10-14, 15:27
Take the time to read this article by Gary North, an economist of note of the Austrian School.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/11/gary-north/fooled-em-again/

Those of us who love freedom and prosperity should be learning.

Also read here;

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/11/bill-sardi/a-ginormous-financial-shift-is-underway-in-the-world/

if you want to gain a better understanding of what is really happening in the world.

Also, read this:

(Theodore J. Lowi, Incomplete Conquest: Governing America, Holt, Rinehart and Winston, New York, 1981, p.25.):

“Political participation is an instrument of conquest because it encourages people to give their consent to being governed. And even when voting does not itself produce a clear sense of public willingness, the purpose of participation is nevertheless fulfilled because deeply embedded in the people’s sense of fair play is the principle that those who play the game must accept the outcome even if they are consistently on the losing side. Why do politicians plead with everyone to get out and vote? It is because voting is the simplest and easiest form of participation by masses of people. Even though it is minimal participation, it is sufficient to commit all voters to being governed, regardless of who wins.”

To A2, please forgive me my soapbox, thanks.

Respectfully submitted.

Cheech.

Swami222
11-11-14, 11:12
I refuse to legitimize the travesty our system has become.

I already knew Mitch Mcconnell would win. The game is rigged. And I am not going to play.

WyldeChild99
11-12-14, 10:36
I really don't want my donations supporting a providers habit. Larry.Hey why'all, just going to go ahead pay this here girl for sex, but I somehow feel that it's wrong for her to spend that money on something illegal.

That's fucking funny as hell to me.

WyldeChild99
11-12-14, 21:13
That last post was not meant to go in the "politics" thread, and I Have no idea how it got here. It was a response to a comment in the "rants" and referred to Larry Craig, the "wide stance guy" who served on the House Ethics Committee, and rallied for harsher punishments against a fellow representative who was involved in a gay sex scandal, before being caught trolling for cock in an airport bathroom.

Vilnius
12-07-14, 23:19
That's not a real thing. You could say I used to be the industry, and what you're describing is simply not real. The lunacy about getting assistance and training from homeless vets is what gives it away more than anything. It's never a bad idea to be prepared, but the UN takeover bit has been fully debunked more times than I could count.


Hi!

I see a lot of military clients who enjoy a little pillow talk to help relieve their PTSD as well as voice their personal opinion of what they are being sent to do, currently my worries are this. Now I've never been a conspiracy theorist so please stop me where needed, so far the latest pillow talk is this. Fema camps ordered by Obama, police state and Martial Law.

I've been sent videos by clients (not releasing that info), where they are working on the camps in Indiana, stating it's an old train station, now surrounded by barbwire, keeping people in not OUT, this one particular solider is telling me Obama wants the homesless rounded up and placed in these camps, he sends pics here and there of what looks like row houses, not really death camps there is plumbing and heating and air I seen units for these long houses, obvious homeless guys helping build things.

My client says when Obama comes to disarm us he doesn't want us being able to rely on the homeless who would know the "terrain" better then regular civilians, he is said to also fear a lot of vets being homesless assisting us with military knowledge of how they operate when doing things like this, apparently my clients believe Obama will scare us with "Isis" being on us soil to creat a panic of following a martial law for our own safety, I've seen videos from civilians going down the highway using their cell phone to show military convoy and new trucks with lettering (UN) on sides of trucks, they are on back of flat bed big Riggs and right here in ohio. I'm told to stock up on WATER and CAN GOODS an one solider told my husband to BUT BULLETS! ANY bullets! I asked well bullets to guns we don't even own won't do us much good?

He went into explaining the "barter system" an he said he isn't worried about me spreading the word because the usual american truly believes it will never happen on US SOIL and America will never go for this shit!

He said shock and awe will be every where!

So what do you think? Should I keep stocking or are all these active soldiers just nuts?

Anderson74
01-14-15, 12:13
And since the supreme court (even the highest court is corrupt) ruled that corporations can contribute to campaigns as if they were just ordinary citizens, the ones with the most money are certified patsies who do what they are told.The Citizens United case did no such thing. Corporations cannot contribute directly to a campaign. The case was about contributing to a PAC, and even more specifically, to one that created a movie about Hillary Clinton. It was considered campaigning or electioneering. However, regardless, the ruling did not permit companies to contribute, as a company, directly to candidates. When you hear about companies contributing in the news, what they're really talking about are the highly paid heads of the companies and who they contribute to. It's said in a way to make it sound like it's money from the company as an entity that contributed rather than the individuals within the company.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2014/01/four-years-after-citizens-united-the-fallout/

UPullAndPay2
01-18-15, 12:10
The Citizens United case did no such thing. Corporations cannot contribute directly to a campaign. The case was about contributing to a PAC, and even more specifically, to one that created a movie about Hillary Clinton. It was considered campaigning or electioneering. However, regardless, the ruling did not permit companies to contribute, as a company, directly to candidates. When you hear about companies contributing in the news, what they're really talking about are the highly paid heads of the companies and who they contribute to. It's said in a way to make it sound like it's money from the company as an entity that contributed rather than the individuals within the company.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2014/01/four-years-after-citizens-united-the-fallout/The Media has got to the point that you can take what they say with a grain of salt! Giving there personal opinion, Telling half truths or down right lying to get there political views out there as facts is pathetic!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/03/18/pew-study-finds-msnbc-the-most-opinionated-cable-news-channel-by-far/

Cheech1
01-21-15, 14:55
Fact is, corporations do make political contributions. We can argue whether the corp makes the contribution directly, or if the president and 5 vp"s get pay raises that allow them to make contributions, or if its direct or to a pac, those things don't matter, because at the end of the game the politicians are bought with the money, and they deliver the taxpayer's money in return one way or another, through war spending, peacetime contracts, bail outs, somehow. The end result is the American public is getting screwed and will be for a long, long time.

Cheech.

Sugimura513
02-06-15, 13:54
When I ever I brought up about him around my friends or other people. It is surprising the amount of people who clueless to who he is considering how much impact he has made. Redit, testing for pancreatic cancer, Elizabeth warren. Are just a few words that link I him.

Here's a great documentary on him.

http://youtu.be/vXr-2hwTk58

Willow1535
04-14-15, 00:00
Still waiting for your doomsday prediction to come true.


Hopefully A2 will forgive me the length of this post. Its for those who think things are going well. Things are not.

Listening to mainstream market commentary on television and reading the financial press leaves one with the impression that the economic recovery is gaining strength and that stock market indexes, at or near all-time highs, will go higher still.

The litany of market happy talk is impressive. The unemployment rate has dropped to 6. 1%, down about four percentage points from its peak, and is expected to go lower in the months ahead. The economy created about 230,000 jobs per month in the first half of 2014, which brings the increase in jobs to nine million since the economic recovery began in mid-2009.

Interest rates remain low, which supports high asset valuations in stocks and housing. Inflation is tame and expectations about future inflation are well-anchored. To hear the stock market bulls tell the story, all is right with the world.

But all is not right. In fact, the fundamentals of the USA Economy are in awful condition and are getting worse. Almost everything about the happy talk story is superficial and falls apart under scrutiny. There is an alternative narrative of bad news that is seldom discussed on mainstream business channels but is well-known to analysts. When these adverse trends are taken into account, one conclusion in inescapable.

The stock market and economic fundamentals are on a collision course. One or the other will have to swerve. Either the economy will have to improve rapidly and unexpectedly and reverse its fundamental weakness, or inflated stock values are heading for a precipitous fall. The evidence suggests that the latter is more likely.

The first weak link in the "happy talk" chain is the nature of job creation. For example, it was reported that 288,000 jobs were created in June. But full-time jobs declined by 523,000, while part time jobs increased by about 800,000.

The widely reported increase in net jobs masked a disastrous loss of full-time jobs offset by a huge increase in part-time jobs. The part-time jobs offer fewer hours, lower pay, and fewer benefits. They may be better than no job at all, but they are not the kind of jobs that will support discretionary consumer spending on which the economy relies for growth.

This trend in part-time jobs is not new. There are 7. 5 million people working part-time on an involuntary basis compared with about 4. 4 million doing so in 2007. This rise in part-time jobs is expected to continue because it is driven in part by Obamacare, which does not require coverage for part-time workers. Employers are aware of this and simply cut full-time jobs and replace them with part-timers to reduce insurance costs.

Nor is there any comfort in the declining unemployment rate. Much of the decline is attributable not to job creation but rather to the decline in the number of people looking for work. Once people stop looking for a job, they are no longer technically "unemployed" and the unemployment rate drops even though no job has been found.

As columnist Mort Zuckerman said, "You might as well say that the unemployment rate would be zero if everyone stopped looking for work. " Only 62.8% of Americans participate in the work force today the lowest level since 1978.

The news gets worse. Not only is labor-force participation low and full-time employment collapsing, but the productivity of those working is now in decline. This decline in productivity is another drag on growth. The reason for it is even more disturbing.

Productivity is declining because capital expenditures have slowed. Businesses are keeping up with demand by employing part-time workers instead of investing in the plants and equipment needed to make full-time workers more productive.

Not surprisingly, this triple-whammy of declining full-time jobs, declining productivity, and slowing capital investment means real wages are stagnant. If workers can't make more, they can't spend more without borrowing. Borrowing is more difficult because home equity has not recovered from the 2007 housing crash and lending standards are the most stringent in years. Companies won't invest in equipment if consumers can't spend.

The result is a death spiral of lower consumption, lower investment, declining productivity, stagnant wages, and underemployment all feeding on each other and making the overall economy weaker. This is the real reason for the shocking 2. 9% decline in first-quarter GDP. It was not the result of "cold weather," which, by the way, happens every winter.

There are other signs of ill health in labor markets. In a dynamic labor market, net job gains reflect large numbers of new jobs and lost jobs as employees confidently quit their jobs in the expectation of finding new ones.

But evidence reported by Goldman Sachs and James Pethokoukis of the American Enterprise Institute shows that job turnover has declined sharply as employees are extremely reluctant to quit their jobs in an uncertain environment. This tends to lock out the unemployed, who lose job-entry opportunities, and to weaken wage growth as employees lose leverage to demand raises.

Labor-force participation is unlikely to rise significantly partly because of generous benefits that provide an adequate lifestyle for those out of the labor force. The USA Has more than 50 million people on food stamps, 11 million on disability, and millions more on extended unemployment benefits. Prospective loss of these benefits creates a high hurdle to motivate a return to the workforce.

The news from abroad is no better. China is slowing precipitously and may be on the brink of a credit collapse. European growth is near zero and even the mighty German economy, the locomotive of Europe, is slowing partly because of weaker demand from Ukraine, Russia, and China.

Against this backdrop, mainstream voices are beginning to call USA Financial markets a bubble. The New York Times recently featured a front page story with the title, "Welcome to the Everything Boom, or Maybe the Everything Bubble. ".

The conservative Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland recently warned that stock markets had become "euphoric. " Even Janet Yellen of the Federal Reserve, the institution with the worst record for spotting asset bubbles, said that valuations of some securities "appear stretched. ".

So the conundrum is complete. Stock indexes March to all-time highs. Economic fundamentals fall apart. The two will be reconciled either with a spectacular turnaround in growth or a spectacular collapse in stock prices. The problem is that a turnaround in growth can only come from structural reform, not money printing.

Structural reform is the job of the White House and Congress, not the Federal Reserve. Since the White House and Congress are barely speaking, no help should be expected from that direction.

Therefore, a stock market collapse is almost inevitable and is probably coming soon.

This collapse will be the beginning of massive problems, so get ready.

Cheech.

DHammer1228
04-19-15, 06:53
Still waiting for your doomsday prediction to come true.Ty for the facts was very interesting to read.

3-Minute Passion
06-10-15, 14:03
Therefore, a stock market collapse is almost inevitable and is probably coming soon.

This collapse will be the beginning of massive problems, so get ready.

Cheech.What most people fail to realize is as the dollar erodes the underlying value of real goods rise. So when you see the stock market rising it does not mean all is well, it means the currency is failing. Think of Zimbabwe. When the currency went to zero, the Zimbabwe stock market went through the roof. Why? Because the hard assets were valued relative to the Zimbabwe dollar.

I have been a long supporter of Ron Paul's and now support Rand as well. But there is little chance Rand will be elected. Only those who understand where the Austrians are coming from understand what is going on.

But the inevitable collapse always takes longer than thought. Every elected official has the mindset, "not on my watch." Eventually, though, nothing can be done to keep this economy levitated.

Willow1535
09-21-15, 11:16
When is this collapse going to happen?


Ty for the facts was very interesting to read.

Willow1535
09-21-15, 11:40
Just so I'm clear on all this.

When are all of these things going to take place? I'd like to know where the FEMA camps are going up at, so that I can go and get some pictures. Martial Law and the police state; yep. Any day now. How's life in the bunker these days?


Hi!

I see a lot of military clients who enjoy a little pillow talk to help relieve their PTSD as well as voice their personal opinion of what they are being sent to do, currently my worries are this. Now I've never been a conspiracy theorist so please stop me where needed, so far the latest pillow talk is this. Fema camps ordered by Obama, police state and Martial Law.

I've been sent videos by clients (not releasing that info), where they are working on the camps in Indiana, stating it's an old train station, now surrounded by barbwire, keeping people in not OUT, this one particular solider is telling me Obama wants the homesless rounded up and placed in these camps, he sends pics here and there of what looks like row houses, not really death camps there is plumbing and heating and air I seen units for these long houses, obvious homeless guys helping build things.

My client says when Obama comes to disarm us he doesn't want us being able to rely on the homeless who would know the "terrain" better then regular civilians, he is said to also fear a lot of vets being homesless assisting us with military knowledge of how they operate when doing things like this, apparently my clients believe Obama will scare us with "Isis" being on us soil to creat a panic of following a martial law for our own safety, I've seen videos from civilians going down the highway using their cell phone to show military convoy and new trucks with lettering (UN) on sides of trucks, they are on back of flat bed big Riggs and right here in ohio. I'm told to stock up on WATER and CAN GOODS an one solider told my husband to BUT BULLETS! ANY bullets! I asked well bullets to guns we don't even own won't do us much good?

He went into explaining the "barter system" an he said he isn't worried about me spreading the word because the usual american truly believes it will never happen on US SOIL and America will never go for this shit!

He said shock and awe will be every where!

So what do you think? Should I keep stocking or are all these active soldiers just nuts?

Cincy
09-21-15, 16:27
The delusions. They burn!


Hi!

I see a lot of military clients who enjoy a little pillow talk to help relieve their PTSD as well as voice their personal opinion of what they are being sent to do, currently my worries are this. Now I've never been a conspiracy theorist so please stop me where needed, so far the latest pillow talk is this. Fema camps ordered by Obama, police state and Martial Law.

I've been sent videos by clients (not releasing that info), where they are working on the camps in Indiana, stating it's an old train station, now surrounded by barbwire, keeping people in not OUT, this one particular solider is telling me Obama wants the homesless rounded up and placed in these camps, he sends pics here and there of what looks like row houses, not really death camps there is plumbing and heating and air I seen units for these long houses, obvious homeless guys helping build things.

My client says when Obama comes to disarm us he doesn't want us being able to rely on the homeless who would know the "terrain" better then regular civilians, he is said to also fear a lot of vets being homesless assisting us with military knowledge of how they operate when doing things like this, apparently my clients believe Obama will scare us with "Isis" being on us soil to creat a panic of following a martial law for our own safety, I've seen videos from civilians going down the highway using their cell phone to show military convoy and new trucks with lettering (UN) on sides of trucks, they are on back of flat bed big Riggs and right here in ohio. I'm told to stock up on WATER and CAN GOODS an one solider told my husband to BUT BULLETS! ANY bullets! I asked well bullets to guns we don't even own won't do us much good?

He went into explaining the "barter system" an he said he isn't worried about me spreading the word because the usual american truly believes it will never happen on US SOIL and America will never go for this shit!

He said shock and awe will be every where!

So what do you think? Should I keep stocking or are all these active soldiers just nuts?

Willow1535
02-24-18, 03:00
I was bored tonight and decided to look back on some of the previous posts in this thread. I think that it's funny how a lot of the things that people wrote were just totally wrong; in fact, almost insane. Life in the bubble must really be fun. The economy did not tank, the market performed well, no one came to take your guns and bullets away and I'm still waiting on those FEMA camps to be erected.

I think that this world would be a better place if people were to open a book and read every now and then. Form your own thoughts and opinions, rather than just regurgitate the crap that you hear on your favorite cable news show; left or right leaning. Come out of the bunker once in awhile and rejoin the hunan race.