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https://members.seeking.com/member/bf0e58ae-c051-4ca3-99ec-d068e3634e56 - girlnextdoor.
Met for dinner, then ghosted me, basically wants food? Seems to be seeking one / monogamous arrangement. Interested if anyone's gotten anywhere with that?
https://members.seeking.com/member/e828e964-8279-40fa-a358-699dc0395a46 - Sweet and Spicy.
Chatting with her, took a break over new year, seeing if she's picking back up.
https://members.seeking.com/member/61a66e8c-ceee-4dd8-aaab-81259c98a27b - PaleNimbus.
Yep, picky. No real explanation; shared some pics and some chat and ghosted.
https://members.seeking.com/member/5bcb335a-b469-4ea9-b817-9e4013095d95 - gigi322.
Chatting; stalled in New Year, seeing if we can reconnect.
https://members.seeking.com/member/15254efe-9324-4577-8f94-04f80da44f0a - sandycheeks.
Picture seller, waste of time.
https://members.seeking.com/member/4d0ffbf5-905c-4856-ae4d-5deaf47c8dd6 - Meg.
1/2 female couple, both are on. Chatting, nothing of it yet. Anyone got more info?
https://members.seeking.com/member/9332f715-56ab-4718-bdd6-5bdd2d3afc60 - elizxoxo.
Apparently fairly well known. Still haven't gotten settled on a time / date, but DTF.
https://members.seeking.com/member/073b9f06-8cc0-478c-855d-a38ef7e9f241 - CheerfulGirl.
Czech, just out of a bad relationship; we just did not connect. Hasn't had an SD yet, so good luck if you get somewhere, like to hear it.
Rudy Wellz
01-17-23, 06:03
For me, it's not a choice between gym or sex. It's a choice between doing something stress-relieving or not. Some days I work from 9 AM until 12 AM with a 2 hour break for dinner. I'm not about to go to the gym, which is more stressful and unenjoyable for me.
If I wasn't going on SA, I'd be spending money on escorts, or playing Poker at MGM, or something else. If I didn't have money to spend, I'd just be at home playing video games. My work is already stressful as is, I'm not going to add to it right now. Maybe when my business is more stable, but not in the near future.Mcsylv, I appreciate your input on the forum, so thank you. And traveling to LV in about a month, so have read that forum and noticed your activity on that board. Congratulations on your successes. The SB is a wonderful place once you learn how to play the game.
Rudy Wellz
01-17-23, 06:08
For me, it's not a choice between gym or sex. It's a choice between doing something stress-relieving or not. Some days I work from 9 AM until 12 AM with a 2 hour break for dinner. I'm not about to go to the gym, which is more stressful and unenjoyable for me.
If I wasn't going on SA, I'd be spending money on escorts, or playing Poker at MGM, or something else. If I didn't have money to spend, I'd just be at home playing video games. My work is already stressful as is, I'm not going to add to it right now. Maybe when my business is more stable, but not in the near future.
Seriously, you have to ask that?
Clearly you've never had good BBFS.
How about you worry about you, and let other people worry about themselves. No one comes to this forum to have unsolicited advice about STDs, etc. Forced at them. We're grown ass men and know the risks. This is an information sharing board, not the Sunday morning gospel.I love BBFS. It's the only way to go. Most SB's are totally OK without condoms. Some need a little convincing. I'm married and have had a vasectomy which is usually all that I need to say. Will test if required, but condoms are a deal breaker for me.
JustLikeThe
01-17-23, 10:57
Any info you want to share, fire away, notes so far.
https://members.seeking.com/member/bf0e58ae-c051-4ca3-99ec-d068e3634e56 - girlnextdoor.
Met for dinner, then ghosted me, basically wants food? Seems to be seeking one / monogamous arrangement. Interested if anyone's gotten anywhere with that?
https://members.seeking.com/member/e828e964-8279-40fa-a358-699dc0395a46 - Sweet and Spicy.
Chatting with her, took a break over new year, seeing if she's picking back up.
https://members.seeking.com/member/61a66e8c-ceee-4dd8-aaab-81259c98a27b - PaleNimbus.
Yep, picky. No real explanation; shared some pics and some chat and ghosted..https://members.seeking.com/member/bf0e58ae-c051-4ca3-99ec-d068e3634e56 - girlnextdoor. - There have been reviews on this one before. I stayed away due to the rotten smell downstairs.
https://members.seeking.com/member/5bcb335a-b469-4ea9-b817-9e4013095d95 - gigi322. - She has had a older profile before as well. She will do M&G for allowance and nothing more than that. I turned it down.
https://members.seeking.com/member/4d0ffbf5-905c-4856-ae4d-5deaf47c8dd6 - Meg. - Back and forth some communication but I had a spidey sense on this one so did not proceed further. Proceed with caution and as well as the 2 girl advice / experience that's been shared here in the past!
Any info you want to share, fire away, notes so far.
https://members.seeking.com/member/bf0e58ae-c051-4ca3-99ec-d068e3634e56 - girlnextdoor.
Met for dinner, then ghosted me, basically wants food? Seems to be seeking one / monogamous arrangement. Interested if anyone's gotten anywhere with that?Can't speak to the others but this one has been reported on before. IIRC she met the guy at a hotel one morning and got right down to business, report was she was fine in the sack but had some hygiene issues.
Mcsylv, I appreciate your input on the forum, so thank you. And traveling to LV in about a month, so have read that forum and noticed your activity on that board. Congratulations on your successes. The SB is a wonderful place once you learn how to play the game.
I love BBFS. It's the only way to go. Most SB's are totally OK without condoms. Some need a little convincing. I'm married and have had a vasectomy which is usually all that I need to say. Will test if required, but condoms are a deal breaker for me.I am not sensitive so I can't cum with condoms 99% of the time, which makes the experience less enjoyable. I have a difference experience from you though, where most SB's I talk to care about condoms. The number that are like "sure no problem" when asked about no condom is less than 50%. Most will ask if I'm clean, some will want to see tests, others will tell me they're not on BC and either tell me to pull out or I'll tell them I'm sterile (which I am due to testosterone disorder) if they push against BBFS using pregnancy as their main excuse.
From your experience, what's your approach? Do you talk about it during text negotiations, or talk about it in the hotel room / your place / their place? Or do you just move to put it in raw the first time, she hesitates, and you tell her you're snipped, and since she's hot and turned on, she lets it go and from there on it's BBFS every time?
DM me if you have specific questions on Vegas. I posted all the bad ones, not the good ones.
Not who you asked, but my approach is not to talk about and let it flow naturally. With most of my SBs I never had a discussion about sex or condoms, once we meet and get comfortable usually I propose we spent time indoors, and then let things happen, when we get to actual event she will sometimes ask if I have a condom or want one, to which I usually respond my preference, some girls ask if I am clean, some wants to see a test but still go with it on good faith. I guess I know the type of girls who will trust me or go without it when I meet them. Those who ask a lot of questions and do not seem comfortable anyway won't work out good chemistry and usually don't even meet with them. I've had a select few who at the point of act insisted on condoms and I went with it because they were either hot or I was horny enough to not go with it, most often I don't repeat unless they are above my league and this is the only way I can be with her.
I am not sensitive so I can't cum with condoms 99% of the time, which makes the experience less enjoyable. I have a difference experience from you though, where most SB's I talk to care about condoms. The number that are like "sure no problem" when asked about no condom is less than 50%. Most will ask if I'm clean, some will want to see tests, others will tell me they're not on BC and either tell me to pull out or I'll tell them I'm sterile (which I am due to testosterone disorder) if they push against BBFS using pregnancy as their main excuse.
From your experience, what's your approach? Do you talk about it during text negotiations, or talk about it in the hotel room / your place / their place? Or do you just move to put it in raw the first time, she hesitates, and you tell her you're snipped, and since she's hot and turned on, she lets it go and from there on it's BBFS every time?
DM me if you have specific questions on Vegas. I posted all the bad ones, not the good ones.
She's been around, this is 2nd profile. But has anyone actually met her? If it is indeed a SB and not a scammer / guy. I am getting some weird vibes from interaction. Sporadic messages, weird questions, almost trying to collect information and build a profile about you maybe. Just don't think she will meet anyone, or even real, will be happy to be proven wrong.
https://members.seeking.com/member/61a66e8c-ceee-4dd8-aaab-81259c98a27b
Wants 650 ppm. Says others always give her that. So politely suggested she find those others instead.
Rudy Wellz
01-17-23, 15:30
I am not sensitive so I can't cum with condoms 99% of the time, which makes the experience less enjoyable. I have a difference experience from you though, where most SB's I talk to care about condoms. The number that are like "sure no problem" when asked about no condom is less than 50%. Most will ask if I'm clean, some will want to see tests, others will tell me they're not on BC and either tell me to pull out or I'll tell them I'm sterile (which I am due to testosterone disorder) if they push against BBFS using pregnancy as their main excuse.
From your experience, what's your approach? Do you talk about it during text negotiations, or talk about it in the hotel room / your place / their place? Or do you just move to put it in raw the first time, she hesitates, and you tell her you're snipped, and since she's hot and turned on, she lets it go and from there on it's BBFS every time?
DM me if you have specific questions on Vegas. I posted all the bad ones, not the good ones.I intentionally do not talk about it prior to going BCD's. When it's time and she's all hot, wet and bothered, I just slip it in. Of course there have been a couple (maybe 10%) who have asked about a condom. I tell them I have 3 teens and do not wish for any additional children. Also let them know that I've had a vasectomy. For those that insist on a condom, then it's either we get tested or it's one and done. And I'm totally comfortable putting my clothes back on and walking out. I'll eat the cost of the hotel room and she will not get her cash money. Full disclosure: This strategy has its pitfalls. I once landed an escort, and didn't realize it until 4 months (and several romps) later.
Regarding Vegas, I will DM you. Possibility that a former FWB is meeting me, but she has flaked on travel plans before, so could use a backup. Thank you.
https://members.seeking.com/member/f0542dcd-709a-438d-bacc-b36c03fb00de
I'm nearly certain this girl had a different profile before. She's a little thicker in some pics than in others, so it's a crap shoot. Has anyone met her?
Not who you asked, but my approach is not to talk about and let it flow naturally. With most of my SBs I never had a discussion about sex or condoms, once we meet and get comfortable usually I propose we spent time indoors, and then let things happen, when we get to actual event she will sometimes ask if I have a condom or want one, to which I usually respond my preference, some girls ask if I am clean, some wants to see a test but still go with it on good faith. I guess I know the type of girls who will trust me or go without it when I meet them. Those who ask a lot of questions and do not seem comfortable anyway won't work out good chemistry and usually don't even meet with them. I've had a select few who at the point of act insisted on condoms and I went with it because they were either hot or I was horny enough to not go with it, most often I don't repeat unless they are above my league and this is the only way I can be with her.
I intentionally do not talk about it prior to going BCD's. When it's time and she's all hot, wet and bothered, I just slip it in. Of course there have been a couple (maybe 10%) who have asked about a condom. I tell them I have 3 teens and do not wish for any additional children. Also let them know that I've had a vasectomy. For those that insist on a condom, then it's either we get tested or it's one and done. And I'm totally comfortable putting my clothes back on and walking out. I'll eat the cost of the hotel room and she will not get her cash money. Full disclosure: This strategy has its pitfalls. I once landed an escort, and didn't realize it until 4 months (and several romps) later.
Regarding Vegas, I will DM you. Possibility that a former FWB is meeting me, but she has flaked on travel plans before, so could use a backup. Thank you.Wow, seems like a lot of you guys are getting girls who are just DTF raw. I would use this strategy on DC area girls, since a loss just means going home, but for my Vegas trips I can't afford to do that. I only have limited time slots to fill up with dates and any date that doesn't go well is time I could have spent with another girl.
BTW how did you accidentally end up with an escort? Wouldn't she be charging by the hour and make it obvious, or just be a clock watcher and not give a great experience? I don't know any escorts that are down for 400 PPM for 2+ hours of fucking like you guys talk about here, that's the 2nd reason I've gone the SB route, just easier on the wallet. The other reason is that escorts don't let you BB for the most part.
Dimples572
01-18-23, 11:00
Looking for 1 k ppm. Says she has a lot of free time so she feels it's worth it LOL.
https://members.seeking.com/member/1237923a-65f3-438c-9a11-d65e98a04bb4
Wow, seems like a lot of you guys are getting girls who are just DTF raw. I would use this strategy on DC area girls, since a loss just means going home, but for my Vegas trips I can't afford to do that. I only have limited time slots to fill up with dates and any date that doesn't go well is time I could have spent with another girl.
BTW how did you accidentally end up with an escort? Wouldn't she be charging by the hour and make it obvious, or just be a clock watcher and not give a great experience? I don't know any escorts that are down for 400 PPM for 2+ hours of fucking like you guys talk about here, that's the 2nd reason I've gone the SB route, just easier on the wallet. The other reason is that escorts don't let you BB for the most part.Sent you a DM.
https://members.seeking.com/member/5e3fff53-84a4-4dd5-bf89-228b98bec4e7
She responds to initial message with.
"Hi, Interested in FWB? Then long term if we click.
Erika.
(267) 428-3578".
Obviously a pro, but I text her because she's cute. Offer 400 ppm, tell her I'm clean and tested, ask her if she is and she says she's clean and on BC and agrees to 400. She lives in Hyattesville MD, and I live in VA. She says she can drive to see me, but I need to paypal her 50 up front, then have 350 cash. I tell her I can't send her 50, but I could drive to see her some other day, not today cause I'm busy. Or, if she wants 50 then she can send me some sex tapes and I will give her. She refuses, I tell her we can also video call, and she refused.
At this point I'm getting bad feelings, but the selfie's she sent me are really cute. I tell her okay, send me some nudes and a selfie holding up 3 fingers to confirm she's real, or no deal. She does so, I figure at the very least she's real. Send over the 50, she ghosts. Shame because if this wasn't my exact type of girl, young with small perky tits and ass, I wouldn't have taken the risk.
At least I got a cute set of pics. Check them out below.
Looking for 1 k ppm. Says she has a lot of free time so she feels it's worth it LOL.
https://members.seeking.com/member/1237923a-65f3-438c-9a11-d65e98a04bb4LOL she's 23 and claims to be an MD. What is she, Doogie Howsers sister? Ridiculous.
JohnnyFive85
01-18-23, 18:16
That sucks bro. Pimeyes has her pics on escort sites all over the country.
https://members.seeking.com/member/5e3fff53-84a4-4dd5-bf89-228b98bec4e7
She responds to initial message with.
"Hi, Interested in FWB? Then long term if we click.
Erika..
JackOfClubs
01-18-23, 18:57
https://members.seeking.com/member/5e3fff53-84a4-4dd5-bf89-228b98bec4e7
She responds to initial message with.
"Hi, Interested in FWB? Then long term if we click.
Erika.
(267) 428-3578".
Obviously a pro, but I text her because she's cute. Offer 400 ppm, tell her I'm clean and tested, ask her if she is and she says she's clean and on BC and agrees to 400. She lives in Hyattesville MD, and I live in VA. She says she can drive to see me, but I need to paypal her 50 up front, then have 350 cash. I tell her I can't send her 50, but I could drive to see her some other day, not today cause I'm busy. Or, if she wants 50 then she can send me some sex tapes and I will give her. She refuses, I tell her we can also video call, and she refused.
At this point I'm getting bad feelings, but the selfie's she sent me are really cute. I tell her okay, send me some nudes and a selfie holding up 3 fingers to confirm she's real, or no deal. She does so, I figure at the very least she's real. Send over the 50, she ghosts. Shame because if this wasn't my exact type of girl, young with small perky tits and ass, I wouldn't have taken the risk.
At least I got a cute set of pics. Check them out below.Have to admit those pictures and HOT!
Dimples572
01-18-23, 23:42
Anyone met her? I did a search and got a couple hits but no real info. If anyone's got an actual scouting report I'd appreciate it. We've got tentative plans for tomorrow afternoon, like to have an idea what to expect. Thanks.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a14a8444-7f22-4cd9-a2f8-2e55db772d8e
LOL she's 23 and claims to be an MD. What is she, Doogie Howsers sister? Ridiculous.Did she claim to be a doctor in texts? Her username is cutemedgirl, not cutemdgirl.
That sucks bro. Pimeyes has her pics on escort sites all over the country.I didn't Pimeyes her pics beforehand, that was my bad. But is there a way to see which sites it goes to without paying the $25/ month?
Rudy Wellz
01-19-23, 07:55
Wow, seems like a lot of you guys are getting girls who are just DTF raw. I would use this strategy on DC area girls, since a loss just means going home, but for my Vegas trips I can't afford to do that. I only have limited time slots to fill up with dates and any date that doesn't go well is time I could have spent with another girl.
BTW how did you accidentally end up with an escort? Wouldn't she be charging by the hour and make it obvious, or just be a clock watcher and not give a great experience? I don't know any escorts that are down for 400 PPM for 2+ hours of fucking like you guys talk about here, that's the 2nd reason I've gone the SB route, just easier on the wallet. The other reason is that escorts don't let you BB for the most part.Here's what I know and what I believe. I met her on Seeking. Advertised as late 20's but was really late 30's. Had a story about her professional life and how it didn't pay much. Claimed to live share a small apartment with several co-workers to cut expenses. Went BCD's after M&G, she had her own condoms but told her I prefer not to use. No resistance at all, multiple rounds, massages, good time, nice body with great tits, $400. From 2nd meeting onwards, she always stayed overnight in the hotel. A couple of times, I would come back for a morning quickie; other times, couldn't reach her. Fast forward a couple of months and I dropped her from the heavy rotation as she was too chatty, had a hint of smoker's breath and often seemed high on something. Would text her once every other month or so and she was usually down for fun. Then she get's reviewed on this forum by a couple of other SD's and one mentions that he had an ad with a local agency. Searched well known escort sites and other review boards and there she was! Appeared to be relatively new to escorting, made some rookie mistakes over posting, had a website, great reviews all of which were fairly recent, changed her escort name and then vanished about 18 months later.
My theory is that she supplemented her income initially with massages and PV's. Then converted to a SB and finally to full on escort. The end of our arrangement, was just prior to me learning that she was an escort. We got together and she offered me a condom not remembering that we had never used one. When I reminded her she said something to the effect of she get's tested regularly and that we would be OK. That was our final visit as I figured she was a high volume SB or semi-pro.
Here's what I know and what I believe. I met her on Seeking. Advertised as late 20's but was really late 30's. Had a story about her professional life and how it didn't pay much. Claimed to live share a small apartment with several co-workers to cut expenses. Went BCD's after M&G, she had her own condoms but told her I prefer not to use. No resistance at all, multiple rounds, massages, good time, nice body with great tits, $400. From 2nd meeting onwards, she always stayed overnight in the hotel. A couple of times, I would come back for a morning quickie; other times, couldn't reach her. Fast forward a couple of months and I dropped her from the heavy rotation as she was too chatty, had a hint of smoker's breath and often seemed high on something. Would text her once every other month or so and she was usually down for fun. Then she get's reviewed on this forum by a couple of other SD's and one mentions that he had an ad with a local agency. Searched well known escort sites and other review boards and there she was! Appeared to be relatively new to escorting, made some rookie mistakes over posting, had a website, great reviews all of which were fairly recent, changed her escort name and then vanished about 18 months later.
My theory is that she supplemented her income initially with massages and PV's. Then converted to a SB and finally to full on escort. The end of our arrangement, was just prior to me learning that she was an escort. We got together and she offered me a condom not remembering that we had never used one. When I reminded her she said something to the effect of she get's tested regularly and that we would be OK. That was our final visit as I figured she was a high volume SB or semi-pro.Oh gotcha, you saw her before she became an escort. Was about to say, I've never talked to one of the pros on SA that didn't immediately get down to business with hourly rate and activities that were off limits.
JustLikeThe
01-19-23, 11:04
Anyone met her? I did a search and got a couple hits but no real info. If anyone's got an actual scouting report I'd appreciate it. We've got tentative plans for tomorrow afternoon, like to have an idea what to expect. Thanks.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a14a8444-7f22-4cd9-a2f8-2e55db772d8eI was communicating with her some months back. She wanted a advance before we met and that ended there.
Not only BBFS but CIP as well. Some don't but some do, even the ones who don't at first will eventually warm up and get on BC because they don't want to lose you. But again it's all YMMV. I've had girls who will do CIP but ghost me even after my best efforts to get them back, but then have two SB who went on BC and let CIP because they wanted to keep it going. I also don't push it first time, they have to like you first, and feel like they can't better with another SD, be it you making her happy in bed, buying her nice dinners, giving her al allowance that can't be beat given the other two are good etc. It's a lot of factors that will let her decide.
Wow, seems like a lot of you guys are getting girls who are just DTF raw. I would use this strategy on DC area girls, since a loss just means going home, but for my Vegas trips I can't afford to do that. I only have limited time slots to fill up with dates and any date that doesn't go well is time I could have spent with another girl
https://members.seeking.com/member/211701a8-07e9-4e24-89f8-d588746864e2
Started talking a month ago and she wanted 500 PPM, couldn't get her to agree to BBFS so I stopped. She randomly hits me up again and asks what's up, am I still interested? I told her she didn't want BBFS, she said she could do it if I had recent tests.
We get to talking and she apparently forgets what she said, offers 400 PPM for BBFS. I thought it was a score, but then things go south. Turns out, it was ONLY BBFS, no BJ or eating her pussy, and for only 1 hour. Cleary she's a cheap escort who's not used to providing GFE included in her prices.
I tell her I need BJ and eating pussy, she says 500, I tell her okay if she throws anal in too, she refuses. Long story short, here's what she sends me:
"I don't think your understanding my prices I only do sex for 500 with condoms that's just what it is I'm making an expectation with it being raw for 400 $ that's the minimum I'd go your asking for 4 services but only trying to pay the price for one. ".
"If that doesn't work with you it's okay I'm sure you'll find someone that doesn't look like me for less. ".
Then she sends me the pic I included below. That chubby ass, pancake nipple looking ugly biach LOL. I'm so glad I didn't see her.
JohnnyFive85
01-19-23, 18:49
Met with her last year, I didn't realize she's back on. Lives in Centreville and has a kid so not easy to schedule. Asks for 5 but can be had for less. Great little body, doesn't ask you to cover up but says she's not on BC.
https://members.seeking.com/member/7319b0df-430d-4002-8b9c-6c907872216a
Did she claim to be a doctor in texts? Her username is cutemedgirl, not cutemdgirl. In her bio under education she lists: MD / Medical Doctor.
Hey. New here and to SA so looking for some intel on these two. I tried searching but can't seem to figure out the search functionality. Thoughts?
SloaneInDC.
https://www.seeking.com/member/0d9c83a8-b345-4515-a35a-4258b36e449d She seems to come and go off of SA. Has anyone met her? I've been trading DMs with her but she's inconsistent at best.
Don't know why many of you guys talk sex acts upfront when you haven't even met. In my experience once they meet and warm up to you everything becomes available, sometimes not, but more often than not it does end up there. I had one last year who insisted condoms are a must have first time we met, after giving her many orgasms first time the next time she didn't even bother and let me even CIP. Have another long term SB who started with condom, went off it 3rd time or so, kept holding up on BC then went onto it and now full BBFSCIP. Another one started asking condom first time, but went without it on promise of fresh tests, kept holding out on CIP, then just let that go after two more outings. Everything depends on how you get along, but ofc it's a YMMV. I guess many of you just want some surety, where as I am willing to bet more on my experience and ability to get them to a more normal couple behavior once they are with me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/211701a8-07e9-4e24-89f8-d588746864e2
Started talking a month ago and she wanted 500 PPM, couldn't get her to agree to BBFS so I stopped. She randomly hits me up again and asks what's up, am I still interested? I told her she didn't want BBFS, she said she could do it if I had recent tests.
Old Chinese Guy
01-20-23, 13:42
In her bio under education she lists: MD / Medical Doctor.I would just ask, how many doctors (MDs) do you know who need to be SBs for money? I know many doctors personally and professionally and what I do know is most of them make more money than I do and if they chose to be a SB, they would not do it because they need the money. Maybe some might have a weird fetish about getting paid for sex but I do not know any MDs personally who are SBs. If anyone out there personally knows an MD who is a SB, please share as I would more than gladly try and fulfill any fetish she had! On that note, I did meet a SB who was a retired State Dept employee who dabbled in real estate and had a rich BF who got off on her having sex with other men. She sure as hell did not need the cash but had a fetish about selling her body for money to the highest bidder. So it is possible that there are MDs who dabble as SBs but IMHO it is very unlikely.
[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6304144]https://members.seeking.com/member/211701a8-07e9-4e24-89f8-d588746864e2
Started talking a month ago and she wanted 500 PPM, couldn't get her to agree to BBFS so I stopped. She randomly hits me up again and asks what's up, am I still interested? I told her she didn't want BBFS, she said she could do it if I had recent tests.
We get to talking and she apparently forgets what she said, offers 400 PPM for BBFS. I thought it was a score, but then things go south. Turns out, it was ONLY BBFS, no BJ or eating her pussy, and for only 1 hour. Cleary she's a cheap escort who's not used to providing GFE included in her prices.
I tell her I need BJ and eating pussy, she says 500, I tell her okay if she throws anal in too, she refuses. Long story short, here's what she sends me:
"I don't think your understanding my prices I only do sex for 500 with condoms that's just what it is I'm making an expectation with it being raw for 400 $ that's the minimum I'd go your asking for 4 services but only trying to pay the price for one..QUOTE]Ugh. Her pics on SA look decent but this pic she sent you looks like someone who gave birth last month, or who has recently lost 30 lbs but has never seen the inside of gym, all flabby. You dodged a bullet bro.
TheYoungMonger
01-20-23, 15:05
Anyone met her? I did a search and got a couple hits but no real info. If anyone's got an actual scouting report I'd appreciate it. We've got tentative plans for tomorrow afternoon, like to have an idea what to expect. Thanks.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a14a8444-7f22-4cd9-a2f8-2e55db772d8eOnly thing I know is I found her Instagram a few months back and she's got a boyfriend. Don't have any other intel on her, sorry.
CaptMurphy
01-20-23, 17:37
This is that lady that had male accomplices assist in mugging SD's near Eorld Gate in Herndon, right?
https://members.seeking.com/member/f98ea366-c3d1-454e-bedf-2942e575c9f0
Dimples572
01-20-23, 18:44
I would just ask, how many doctors (MDs) do you know who need to be SBs for money? I know many doctors personally and professionally and what I do know is most of them make more money than I do and if they chose to be a SB, they would not do it because they need the money. Maybe some might have a weird fetish about getting paid for sex but I do not know any MDs personally who are SBs. If anyone out there personally knows an MD who is a SB, please share as I would more than gladly try and fulfill any fetish she had! On that note, I did meet a SB who was a retired State Dept employee who dabbled in real estate and had a rich BF who got off on her having sex with other men. She sure as hell did not need the cash but had a fetish about selling her body for money to the highest bidder. So it is possible that there are MDs who dabble as SBs but IMHO it is very unlikely.In a text she mentioned that she'd just got done with labs / clinicals or something, she's in Med school.
Don't know why many of you guys talk sex acts upfront when you haven't even met. In my experience once they meet and warm up to you everything becomes available, sometimes not, but more often than not it does end up there. I had one last year who insisted condoms are a must have first time we met, after giving her many orgasms first time the next time she didn't even bother and let me even CIP. Have another long term SB who started with condom, went off it 3rd time or so, kept holding up on BC then went onto it and now full BBFSCIP. Another one started asking condom first time, but went without it on promise of fresh tests, kept holding out on CIP, then just let that go after two more outings. Everything depends on how you get along, but ofc it's a YMMV. I guess many of you just want some surety, where as I am willing to bet more on my experience and ability to get them to a more normal couple behavior once they are with me.I wouldn't keep seeing someone who insisted on condoms for 3 dates until they were horny and comfortable enough for BBFS. I cannot cum with a condom, it's literally a waste of time. Every time I have sex with a condom, I either go home with blue balls or just jack myself off after we've fucked for a while and I've made sure they're satisfied by eating them and fucking them until they get 1 or more orgasms. Usually cuddle a bit while they recover, then ask them to suck my balls while I jack off and that's how I have to finish if they don't BBFS.
LouisHernandez
01-20-23, 20:23
I wouldn't keep seeing someone who insisted on condoms for 3 dates until they were horny and comfortable enough for BBFS. I cannot cum with a condom, it's literally a waste of time. Every time I have sex with a condom, I either go home with blue balls or just jack myself off after we've fucked for a while and I've made sure they're satisfied by eating them and fucking them until they get 1 or more orgasms. Usually cuddle a bit while they recover, then ask them to suck my balls while I jack off and that's how I have to finish if they don't BBFS.I'm not paying coin for covered sex b / c I can't cum either. It has no value to me. That said you don't know what she will require until the event occurs. I understand a SB requesting a condom on the first event, but if I don't get vibes that she drops the requirement on the next meeting, then it's 100% over. Doesn't matter what she looks like. This isn't vanilla dating where I'm not paying directly for sex.
This is that lady that had male accomplices assist in mugging SD's near Eorld Gate in Herndon, right?
https://members.seeking.com/member/f98ea366-c3d1-454e-bedf-2942e575c9f0No she is not the one. This one works at an Optical store.
Met with her last year, I didn't realize she's back on. Lives in Centreville and has a kid so not easy to schedule. Asks for 5 but can be had for less. Great little body, doesn't ask you to cover up but says she's not on BC.
https://members.seeking.com/member/7319b0df-430d-4002-8b9c-6c907872216aI've sent her a few messages over the years, so far as I know she's never opened any of them. I assumed she was pretty hit or miss anyway given she goes weeks at a time without logging in. When I see that I know it's a crap shoot at best, given the shear volume of messages a girl must have when she logs in so infrequently.
RegularJoe1985
01-22-23, 10:26
No she is not the one. This one works at an Optical store.The fact that she works at an Optical store doesn't take away from the fact that she could be the one.
Which optical store does she work at?
This is that lady that had male accomplices assist in mugging SD's near Eorld Gate in Herndon, right?
https://members.seeking.com/member/f98ea366-c3d1-454e-bedf-2942e575c9f0
No she is not the one. This one works at an Optical store.I followed this pretty closely when it was going down, the various profiles. Etc. I don't know anything about an optical store, and I'm not sure how that would exclude her from being the mugger anyway? I'll say if this isn't here, this girl could be the twin sister of the mugger.
Vamassage Fan
01-22-23, 21:47
Been chatting with this one. Something seems familiar about her and that maybe I ran into her pre-pamdemic. Conversation also a bit Weird. Does anyone remember this one from a few years ago, maybe in the Sterling / Herndon area? Thanks.
https://members.seeking.com/member/99263000-8f8b-4731-818c-833c260f4b97A bit strange, chatted with her and she seemed fine, but set up plans to meet for dinner and she never showed, later texted she'd had an auto accident. We tried once more, daye, time and place set. She even texted to say she was on her way. But then never showed and went silent. Flaky at best. Also would love to know if anyone has had a good experience with her.
https://members.seeking.com/member/26d82f9e-dd6a-41fa-9c52-8071bfc43fe5
Any one have any intel on her? Started chatting but something seems off. I'm always skeptical when a girl is eager to meet, accepts a midlevel offer without the typical "my last arranged was XYZ" and doesn't ask for pics, etc.
I'm going to be in town next month and have a Saturday afternoon free of the wife.
Any info on.
https://members.seeking.com/member/30c8ce9f-b983-498f-b352-51926784ff1b -- seems TGTBT and too young for a Georgetown MBA and says she thinks mentoring from an SD is stupid and boring.
https://members.seeking.com/member/fa699ee2-222b-4e5f-90fa-1b40ffdeb23d -- semi pro vibe.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a0b8f80c-29d7-44fe-beab-d63d827cb894 -- pics look mighty polished.
https://members.seeking.com/member/844db8c2-18b8-4cbb-8336-4ef8dcad2afc - definite pro, went straight to text.
https://members.seeking.com/member/4bcbc376-1e2d-4a20-bd2e-bcab99d7a084 - killer bod. Getting the sense she's not a fan of married guys.
https://members.seeking.com/member/1202c4b5-ad46-4947-a834-2c461df96377 - so my type. Seems to get it, but slow on comms.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a720189a-4eed-4079-8856-7e85451e5f0e - mentioned early on she can't host, so definitely knows the score. Maybe too well.
https://members.seeking.com/member/3b02d88a-8837-492f-ad93-717e0035e5b6 - initial interaction very positive.
We have chatted a bit back and forth. Any past experiences or information anyone can share?
https://members.seeking.com/member/ab3ebf37-7bd6-40de-b4de-bafed820f3d5
Barbie.
https://members.seeking.com/member/787bcfa9-1ad9-4684-af1d-f6e865fcf859
https://ladys.one/it/escort-pittsburgh/bella-fox-i630359
VeryBigBuck
01-23-23, 19:39
I wouldn't keep seeing someone who insisted on condoms for 3 dates until they were horny and comfortable enough for BBFS. I cannot cum with a condom, it's literally a waste of time. Every time I have sex with a condom, I either go home with blue balls or just jack myself off after we've fucked for a while and I've made sure they're satisfied by eating them and fucking them until they get 1 or more orgasms. Usually cuddle a bit while they recover, then ask them to suck my balls while I jack off and that's how I have to finish if they don't BBFS.Next time, after SB has cums enough, ask her to use her hands to get you close, then when you get the feeling that you will cum, tell her to get on top, grab her hips and use her like a fleshlight.
Cheers.
Next time, after SB has cums enough, ask her to use her hands to get you close, then when you get the feeling that you will cum, tell her to get on top, grab her hips and use her like a fleshlight.
Cheers.I don't get close from HJ or BJ, or sex with a condom. Only BBFS does it. I know this is not how 90% of guys are.
On the flip side, I don't really care about pussy or ass. Only time I ask for anal is if they want a high allowance and I need to make it worthwhile.
The delusion is strong with this one. When asked about ppm she indicated that her last arrangement was $7 K per month. That's PPS not GPS.
https://members.seeking.com/member/42de90f4-6e04-4275-a269-757ad2dca95b
LOL. 1 Hour, "only" BBFS on a menu. Yep, that's a hooker. If she starts talking about hosting, just saying.
https://members.seeking.com/member/211701a8-07e9-4e24-89f8-d588746864e2
Started talking a month ago and she wanted 500 PPM, couldn't get her to agree to BBFS so I stopped. She randomly hits me up again and asks what's up, am I still interested? I told her she didn't want BBFS, she said she could do it if I had recent tests.
We get to talking and she apparently forgets what she said, offers 400 PPM for BBFS. I thought it was a score, but then things go south. Turns out, it was ONLY BBFS, no BJ or eating her pussy, and for only 1 hour. Cleary she's a cheap escort who's not used to providing GFE included in her prices.
I tell her I need BJ and eating pussy, she says 500, I tell her okay if she throws anal in too, she refuses. Long story short, here's what she sends me:
"I don't think your understanding my prices I only do sex for 500 with condoms that's just what it is I'm making an expectation with it being raw for 400 $ that's the minimum I'd go your asking for 4 services but only trying to pay the price for one. ".
"If that doesn't work with you it's okay I'm sure you'll find someone that doesn't look like me for less. ".
Then she sends me the pic I included below. That chubby ass, pancake nipple looking ugly biach LOL. I'm so glad I didn't see her.
Member #6230
01-24-23, 09:40
Hmmm, you're getting it twisted. These girls just want money not some damn relationship with the busted dudes on SA.
Don't kid ourselves we're old and as much as we want to believe we're attractive. That's not the case for 99.9% of us.
So, they're here to drain as much $$$ as they can.They want both, and if they are attractive enough they will likely be able to find it.
Pretend you're 22 and horny all the time. You want to fuck someone who can fuck you with some skill and not immediately fall madly in love. But you have bills. So you want to get paid too. And if they have half a brain they know there is an expiration date on how much they can get paid.
I honestly feel for the younger generation right now. Rent and everything else is through the roof. Combine that with ig addictions showing their followers how much fun they have with an awkward generation of young broke men and we have the perfect recipe for the sugar bowl.
What a time ti be alive.
AnonDemon69
01-24-23, 12:53
They want both, and if they are attractive enough they will likely be able to find it.
Pretend you're 22 and horny all the time. You want to fuck someone who can fuck you with some skill and not immediately fall madly in love. But you have bills. So you want to get paid too. And if they have half a brain they know there is an expiration date on how much they can get paid.
I honestly feel for the younger generation right now. Rent and everything else is through the roof. Combine that with ig addictions showing their followers how much fun they have with an awkward generation of young broke men and we have the perfect recipe for the sugar bowl.
What a time ti be alive.Although I am new to this, I agree with you. It seems to me like most of the ones I've been in touch with do want some sort of relationship.
I am getting stuck in a bit of situation though where the SB wants to see me more often but I can't afford nor do I want to keep paying the PPM that often. How do you guys deal with this? Do you just suggest a monthly allowance which averages out to a lower PPM? For instance, my PPM $350. I might be ok with seeing her twice a month but what if she pushes for three or so times. I was thinking of suggesting an allowance of $600 and seeing her twice a month or $750 for three times, just spitting out ideas. I need a more experienced hand here. Maybe my budget is not high enough for this? I can only juggle two at the moment, which is more than enough.
LouisHernandez
01-24-23, 18:15
Although I am new to this, I agree with you. It seems to me like most of the ones I've been in touch with do want some sort of relationship.
I am getting stuck in a bit of situation though where the SB wants to see me more often but I can't afford nor do I want to keep paying the PPM that often. How do you guys deal with this? Do you just suggest a monthly allowance which averages out to a lower PPM? For instance, my PPM $350. I might be ok with seeing her twice a month but what if she pushes for three or so times. I was thinking of suggesting an allowance of $600 and seeing her twice a month or $750 for three times, just spitting out ideas. I need a more experienced hand here. Maybe my budget is not high enough for this? I can only juggle two at the moment, which is more than enough.If they actually like you they will work with you and drop the price. If they won't budge you know they just care about the coin. If the latter, you can continue with the once or twice a month routine, while fishing for something newer / better.
Member #6230
01-24-23, 20:59
Although I am new to this, I agree with you. It seems to me like most of the ones I've been in touch with do want some sort of relationship.
I am getting stuck in a bit of situation though where the SB wants to see me more often but I can't afford nor do I want to keep paying the PPM that often. How do you guys deal with this? Do you just suggest a monthly allowance which averages out to a lower PPM? For instance, my PPM $350. I might be ok with seeing her twice a month but what if she pushes for three or so times. I was thinking of suggesting an allowance of $600 and seeing her twice a month or $750 for three times, just spitting out ideas. I need a more experienced hand here. Maybe my budget is not high enough for this? I can only juggle two at the moment, which is more than enough.I'll give this a shot, but realize there will be as many opinions as there are mongers.
First, you have to be honest with your budget, and that honesty might piss her off. 350 2 x a month isn't much to work with and probably doesn't put you that far above someone she could just vanilla date.
Second, you need to determine if she is pushing for more dates because she likes you or is trying to maximize how much she can get from you. Seeing someone you're fucking at minimum once once a week is pretty normal, and most young women will want sex more often than that.
But there are some things you can do that will help her see you in more favorable terms.
Suggest dates where she doesn't have to get dressed up. If you spend any time reading "sugar baby gossip groups" which are the opposite of what we do here, you're going to hear them complaining about how much time it takes to get ready, how much it costs to get their hair and nails done, how much the outfits cost and they feel justified in getting paid to meet your (all sd's) standards. They include the time it takes to get ready in the ppm in the simplest of terms.
Basically what you're going for here is a "relationship type" Netflix and chill. Ask her to come over in her sweatpants, hoodie, no makeup, because you just want to spend time together. I used to call this the "Tuesday special" she gets some money, an easy night without the pressure of the dog and pony show, we both get laid at a lower ppm. If you present this right, it will make sense to her. You can even point out how you want her to be able to spend time with her friends on Friday and Saturday. In her head, she may translate this to a higher paying opportunity with someone willing to pay more than you and you really have to be okay with that.
Personally, I could see asking a premium for weekend time if I were able to sell this beautiful dad bod to the highest budder.
The next thing you're going to want to do is get inside her mind as often as you get in between her legs. That means paying attention to what she cares about, remembering the things that are important to her, remembering her birthday, and figuring out how to make occasions out of things you don't actually give a shit about.
In 5 years when she looks at her boyfriend, and tells him you aren't shit. Right before she says this, you want her to think of you. So do the things that are going to stand out in her mind as someone she would be proud to tell her mother about if you weren't 25 years older than her.
If you really want to put the "does she like me or is she milking me (and fucking you the way you want) Buy her something small that will be more sentimental or practical than a pair of shoes.
Figure out what kind of snacks she likes. What kind of books she is into. Is she "an aspiring ceo" of her one man nail business? Girls like planners, motivational coffee mugs, vision boards, astrology, aura's, pyschic readings, all the shit you and I know is pointless.
I bought my last sugar baby a poetry book I knew she would like and guess what? She read that whole book to me over face time in the course of a couple days. That's a girl that likes you.
It's human nature to be reciprocal after receiving a gift. She might not be able to buy you something, but she knows what you like 🤣 if you don't see her reciprocating kind gestures, she doesn't value them or you any more than the money and the "let's spend more time together is just an act.
Personally, if that was my budget, I would probably stick to ppm and one night stands. That way neither of you get attached and you aren't living above your means to keep a girlfriend you can't afford.
The money is just an introduction, but it can also be used as a tool to keep proper boundaries. You're paying her, and treating her like an employee is part of the deal. Sometimes you have to shake their hand and wish them the best in their next job.
If you could get her to agree to $200 once a week, with 2 of those on days that are easy for her, that would be a solid sb/sd relationship especially if youre ok with her seeing other people on the nights she isnt with you. She can at least justify that as extra money with the opportunity to make more.
Thats my .02
They want both, and if they are attractive enough they will likely be able to find it.
Pretend you're 22 and horny all the time. You want to fuck someone who can fuck you with some skill and not immediately fall madly in love. But you have bills. So you want to get paid too. And if they have half a brain they know there is an expiration date on how much they can get paid.
I honestly feel for the younger generation right now. Rent and everything else is through the roof. Combine that with ig addictions showing their followers how much fun they have with an awkward generation of young broke men and we have the perfect recipe for the sugar bowl.
What a time ti be alive.Don't feel bad for young men.
Just because attractive girls fuck old men for money doesn't mean they don't still fuck young men who are hot and mature. Don't believe girls' stories about how they hate boys their age. They hate how they can't buy them LV purses, but they love their six packs.
I've had many girls admit that they have fuck buddies. Who are they calling at 2 AM, some 54 yo? No, it's the 23 yo working as a personal trainer, or bartender, or whatever. Serious relationships are one thing, but sex is another. Young men still have no problems hooking up if they're attractive.
If they actually like you they will work with you and drop the price. If they won't budge you know they just care about the coin. If the latter, you can continue with the once or twice a month routine, while fishing for something newer / better.Yea, being attractive gets you cheaper, if not free pussy. It's ironic that TomFord brags about banging 23 yo French girls for free, but claims women on seeking are all money-grubbing hoes who don't care about anything beyond how many zeros the allowance is LOL.
Anyone try these girls yet? They are offering solo and duos for 500.
https://members.seeking.com/member/bdfa85bc-dd6f-49f2-85a9-56bd07f30c84
Thought this might be one of them because she used to offer duos with a friend. MissDoe90.
https://members.seeking.com/member/934edd23-73d6-4694-ab82-18d25fc31951
TomFordModel
01-24-23, 21:48
Don't feel bad for young men.
Just because attractive girls fuck old men for money doesn't mean they don't still fuck young men who are hot and mature. Don't believe girls' stories about how they hate boys their age. They hate how they can't buy them LV purses, but they love their six packs.
I've had many girls admit that they have fuck buddies. Who are they calling at 2 AM, some 54 yo? No, it's the 23 yo working as a personal trainer, or bartender, or whatever. Serious relationships are one thing, but sex is another. Young men still have no problems hooking up if they're attractive.
Yea, being attractive gets you cheaper, if not free pussy. It's ironic that TomFord brags about banging 23 yo French girls for free, but claims women on seeking are all money-grubbing hoes who don't care about anything beyond how many zeros the allowance is LOL.The dynamics have changed. The French girl was a year ago. I haven't been active on SA but the last time I checked it was ghettos, middle age and drugged out younger girls. That shit is not desirable.
She wasn't exactly free. I had to pay for the bus fare from NYC and hotel room, food, sight seeing, etc.
Bellissimo
01-25-23, 00:05
https://members.seeking.com/member/26d82f9e-dd6a-41fa-9c52-8071bfc43fe5
Any one have any intel on her? Started chatting but something seems off. I'm always skeptical when a girl is eager to meet, accepts a midlevel offer without the typical "my last arranged was XYZ" and doesn't ask for pics, etc.I thought she was hot and was going to write to her, but her profile mentioned living in a small college town. I can't imagine anyone would describe the DMV that way. Seemed fishy, so I didn't bother.
I thought she was hot and was going to write to her, but her profile mentioned living in a small college town. I can't imagine anyone would describe the DMV that way. Seemed fishy, so I didn't bother.She has a 'College Verified" badge on her profile. She told me that she was in NoMa. I however didn't pursue as there were better ones around.
I followed this pretty closely when it was going down, the various profiles. Etc. I don't know anything about an optical store, and I'm not sure how that would exclude her from being the mugger anyway? I'll say if this isn't here, this girl could be the twin sister of the mugger.I have never shared what I am about to share out of embarrassment before.
I chatted with the mugger for at least 3-4 months when she was active on SA. One day she invited me over to her apartment in Herndon at 12 noon. I mean, having chatted for a few months, I didn't see any red flags, and what could possibly go wrong at 12 noon, right? She told me to meet her in front of the leasing office for the apartment complex. I parked, and this lady (not at all pretty) came, sat in the passenger seat, and made small talk. She then started saying how men have had fun and not paid her and asked if it would be okay to give her the $2 oo ppm before we went to her apartment. No sooner did she get the money, she ran out of my car into another car waiting a few feet away. She and the driver of the get-a-way car disappeared.
Oh, it gets better.
A few days later, I chatted with her again using a different number. Invited her to TGIF at Wordgate. Told her that I was running late and she should order whatever she wanted and I would take care of it. Long story short, she ate and drank a bit. After an hour, she called and started texting that I should come to pay the dinner bill. I blocked her number. I do not know how much she ordered, but I did have the satisfaction that I did something.
The mugger and the other girl are NOT the same.
LouisHernandez
01-25-23, 14:24
The dynamics have changed. The French girl was a year ago. I haven't been active on SA but the last time I checked it was ghettos, middle age and drugged out younger girls. That shit is not desirable.
She wasn't exactly free. I had to pay for the bus fare from NYC and hotel room, food, sight seeing, etc.Yeah it's gone way downhill and then some. This is a national trend. I won't be paying for any future SA memberships. It was a good run. I'm hoping something else takes its place but these are down years I'm afraid.
The govt printed money and gave it to people not to work on the advice of the biggest quacks since the medieval era. It's going to take quite sometime to change people's mindset, that and a whole lot of joblessness without benefit checks.
Any 411 on BrwnEyedGrl89 ?
https://members.seeking.com/member/a720189a-4eed-4079-8856-7e85451e5f0e
I saw your post the other day, then chatted this new girl who just signed up. Profile now says online only, but texted me and mentioned meeting up. Quoted me 10 k. I legitimately thought it was a typo or talking about he wrong thing and she confirmed to have dinner or drinks $600 per hour, but if we got physical 10 k.
Legit thought I was crazy for offering so much less.
https://members.seeking.com/member/eb867044-e534-42f3-a393-83bf15981b5e
The delusion is strong with this one. When asked about ppm she indicated that her last arrangement was $7 K per month. That's PPS not GPS.
https://members.seeking.com/member/42de90f4-6e04-4275-a269-757ad2dca95b
Dimples572
01-26-23, 00:32
Anyone try these girls yet? They are offering solo and duos for 500.
https://members.seeking.com/member/bdfa85bc-dd6f-49f2-85a9-56bd07f30c84
Thought this might be one of them because she used to offer duos with a friend. MissDoe90.
https://members.seeking.com/member/934edd23-73d6-4694-ab82-18d25fc31951They refuse to send any face pics and won't budge off 500 each and max 2 hrs. I passed.
Rudy Wellz
01-26-23, 01:57
Any 411 on BrwnEyedGrl89 ?
https://members.seeking.com/member/a720189a-4eed-4079-8856-7e85451e5f0eI wrote her 5 months ago. No response. Last week, I pinged her again and she responded about how busy she was running a massive program, switching companies, raising revenue (whale bait), and how no one had piqued her interest. Quickly followed by another message apologizing for not responding to my initial message 5 months ago. Told her I understood, blah, blah and revealed my photos per her request. Since then, nothing.
My suspicion is that since I did not express interest in her need to raise capital, she will not reply.
Rudy Wellz
01-26-23, 02:11
I'll give this a shot, but realize there will be as many opinions as there are mongers.
First, you have to be honest with your budget, and that honesty might piss her off. 350 2 x a month isn't much to work with and probably doesn't put you that far above someone she could just vanilla date.
Second, you need to determine if she is pushing for more dates because she likes you or is trying to maximize how much she can get from you. Seeing someone you're fucking at minimum once once a week is pretty normal, and most young women will want sex more often than that.
But there are some things you can do that will help her see you in more favorable terms.
Suggest dates where she doesn't have to get dressed up. If you spend any time reading "sugar baby gossip groups" which are the opposite of what we do here, you're going to hear them complaining about how much time it takes to get ready, how much it costs to get their hair and nails done, how much the outfits cost and they feel justified in getting paid to meet your (all sd's) standards. They include the time it takes to get ready in the ppm in the simplest of terms.
Basically what you're going for here is a "relationship type" Netflix and chill. Ask her to come over in her sweatpants, hoodie, no makeup, because you just want to spend time together. I used to call this the "Tuesday special" she gets some money, an easy night without the pressure of the dog and pony show, we both get laid at a lower ppm. If you present this right, it will make sense to her. You can even point out how you want her to be able to spend time with her friends on Friday and Saturday. In her head, she may translate this to a higher paying opportunity with someone willing to pay more than you and you really have to be okay with that.
Personally, I could see asking a premium for weekend time if I were able to sell this beautiful dad bod to the highest budder.
The next thing you're going to want to do is get inside her mind as often as you get in between her legs. That means paying attention to what she cares about, remembering the things that are important to her, remembering her birthday, and figuring out how to make occasions out of things you don't actually give a shit about.
In 5 years when she looks at her boyfriend, and tells him you aren't shit. Right before she says this, you want her to think of you. So do the things that are going to stand out in her mind as someone she would be proud to tell her mother about if you weren't 25 years older than her.
If you really want to put the "does she like me or is she milking me (and fucking you the way you want) Buy her something small that will be more sentimental or practical than a pair of shoes.
Figure out what kind of snacks she likes. What kind of books she is into. Is she "an aspiring ceo" of her one man nail business? Girls like planners, motivational coffee mugs, vision boards, astrology, aura's, pyschic readings, all the shit you and I know is pointless.
I bought my last sugar baby a poetry book I knew she would like and guess what? She read that whole book to me over face time in the course of a couple days. That's a girl that likes you.
It's human nature to be reciprocal after receiving a gift. She might not be able to buy you something, but she knows what you like 🤣 if you don't see her reciprocating kind gestures, she doesn't value them or you any more than the money and the "let's spend more time together is just an act.
Personally, if that was my budget, I would probably stick to ppm and one night stands. That way neither of you get attached and you aren't living above your means to keep a girlfriend you can't afford.
The money is just an introduction, but it can also be used as a tool to keep proper boundaries. You're paying her, and treating her like an employee is part of the deal. Sometimes you have to shake their hand and wish them the best in their next job.
If you could get her to agree to $200 once a week, with 2 of those on days that are easy for her, that would be a solid sb/sd relationship especially if youre ok with her seeing other people on the nights she isnt with you. She can at least justify that as extra money with the opportunity to make more.
Thats my .02This is graduate level SD knowledge. I've been in this game for a long time and do pretty well. However, just learned a few things. Thank you!
LouisHernandez
01-26-23, 20:44
This is graduate level SD knowledge. I've been in this game for a long time and do pretty well. However, just learned a few things. Thank you!Agreed. I blew a few opportunities to vanilla a few keeper SBs back in they day that I probably could have had I'd followed some of the advice there. If I ever run across a potential keeper in the future, I'll try some of these tactics.
AnonDemon69
01-26-23, 23:41
I'll give this a shot, but realize there will be as many opinions as there are mongers.
First, you have to be honest with your budget, and that honesty might piss her off. 350 2 x a month isn't much to work with and probably doesn't put you that far above someone she could just vanilla date.
Second, you need to determine if she is pushing for more dates because she likes you or is trying to maximize how much she can get from you. Seeing someone you're fucking at minimum once once a week is pretty normal, and most young women will want sex more often than that.
But there are some things you can do that will help her see you in more favorable terms.
Suggest dates where she doesn't have to get dressed up. If you spend any time reading "sugar baby gossip groups" which are the opposite of what we do here, you're going to hear them complaining about how much time it takes to get ready, how much it costs to get their hair and nails done, how much the outfits cost and they feel justified in getting paid to meet your (all sd's) standards. They include the time it takes to get ready in the ppm in the simplest of terms.
Basically what you're going for here is a "relationship type" Netflix and chill. Ask her to come over in her sweatpants, hoodie, no makeup, because you just want to spend time together. I used to call this the "Tuesday special" she gets some money, an easy night without the pressure of the dog and pony show, we both get laid at a lower ppm. If you present this right, it will make sense to her. You can even point out how you want her to be able to spend time with her friends on Friday and Saturday. In her head, she may translate this to a higher paying opportunity with someone willing to pay more than you and you really have to be okay with that.
Thank you for the advice, I really appreciate it and it has opened my eyes to this SD / SB world. I had no idea that the usual relationship would require meetings so often. I am too busy (family, work, hobbies, etc) to meet more than once every other week, so it's not even an option. I am going to stick to PPM and even if they want to repeat, I will just keep sticking to that. I don't care if they see other people, it's fwb nsa type of deal anyways. I am on the younger side and could vanilla date, however, without the monetary barrier, they would get attached and things get messy (been there). The main reason to why I am trying this out is to casually date real people but still keep a barrier from getting attached.
Bellissimo
01-27-23, 00:01
This 19 year old has never had an arrangement before. I asked her if she was anticipating becoming intimate with guys as part of being on Seeking. Her response was, "That's prostitution! No!
https://members.seeking.com/member/299b5ce0-e67a-41c9-91a4-b552ba2f0406
Member #6230
01-27-23, 00:50
Agreed. I blew a few opportunities to vanilla a few keeper SBs back in they day that I probably could have had I'd followed some of the advice there. If I ever run across a potential keeper in the future, I'll try some of these tactics.It's more fun to catch and release. The good ones deserve better than us.
Anyone try these girls yet? They are offering solo and duos for 500.
https://members.seeking.com/member/bdfa85bc-dd6f-49f2-85a9-56bd07f30c84
Thought this might be one of them because she used to offer duos with a friend. MissDoe90.
https://members.seeking.com/member/934edd23-73d6-4694-ab82-18d25fc31951No idea of one of them is MissDoe or not. She and I established text communication many months ago but I found her to be flaky as hell. Would set a time to meet and then ghost, after she did that twice I didn't return her last text. Time waster as far as I can tell.
...it's fwb nsa type of deal anyways. I am on the younger side and could vanilla date, however, without the monetary barrier, they would get attached and things get messy (been there). The main reason to why I am trying this out is to casually date real people but still keep a barrier from getting attached.I've said before, the opportunity to date some of these girls without PPM is more prevalent than people might assume. I'm no spring chicken or bottle service baller, but also on the younger side as SD standards go, and I can usually string together a coherent sentence or two. I've had ample opportunity to turn a sugar relationship into something more conventional. That said, as soon as there isn't a PPM involved, now you lose your autonomy and they start thinking they're your GF and expecting certain things.
I know from experience, sadly. She was actually a great girl but as you would expect, much younger. Sex was incredible and she was one of the coolest girls I've met. She finally moved on, and got a serious BF from hinge or some shit. I continued to bang her for a good part of her being with this guy, he was her age and according to her she really liked him, he was nice, age appropriate, etc. But he didn't eat her pussy and he was basically a two pumps and a pullback kind of guy so she never got hers. She's now engaged to the guy, and we no longer see each other. To be honest, I sort of kick myself over that one because it's the one time I actually caught feelings as well, but never actually let on to her that I did and she got tired of it.
Moral of the story, it's much easier / safer to keep the PPM in place and a clear line drawn so as not to muddy the waters and risk any hurt feelings for either party.
Member #6230
01-27-23, 11:41
I've said before, the opportunity to date some of these girls without PPM is more prevalent than people might assume. I'm no spring chicken or bottle service baller, but also on the younger side as SD standards go, and I can usually string together a coherent sentence or two. I've had ample opportunity to turn a sugar relationship into something more conventional. That said, as soon as there isn't a PPM involved, now you lose your autonomy and they start thinking they're your GF and expecting certain things.
I know from experience, sadly. She was actually a great girl but as you would expect, much younger. Sex was incredible and she was one of the coolest girls I've met. She finally moved on, and got a serious BF from hinge or some shit. I continued to bang her for a good part of her being with this guy, he was her age and according to her she really liked him, he was nice, age appropriate, etc. But he didn't eat her pussy and he was basically a two pumps and a pullback kind of guy so she never got hers. She's now engaged to the guy, and we no longer see each other. To be honest, I sort of kick myself over that one because it's the one time I actually caught feelings as well, but never actually let on to her that I did and she got tired of it.
Moral of the story, it's much easier / safer to keep the PPM in place and a clear line drawn so as not to muddy the waters and risk any hurt feelings for either party.Agreed. When things finally end, you want it to be on good terms. You want them to remember you fondly, not as some guy they wasted their time with. I've never been good at traditional relationships, and years ago realized that each time one ended it was replaced with something better (or at least newer which makes it fun) anyway.
Sugar relationships allow us to move on and remain Allie's, keepers of secrets, and good experiences.
As much as they wear a facade when we meet, and only show us their best, we are also doing the same. After a period of time when the masks finally come off, and what we are left with is our true imperfect selves, it becomes more work than fun. Sugaring allows us to -not answer phone calls and texts, respond to every little thing they deem an emergency, not care how she handles her finances, not care who about infidelity, etc.
The basis of sugaring is mutually beneficial. That means we give them something they are not able to achieve on their own, and we get something that is traditionally unavailable to us without extreme good looks, luck, and the ability to step out of normal social conventions by approaching someone 20 years younger than us in public. We meet in an appropriate place online, we are able to lay out boundaries before we meet, and as the more mature experienced person, it's up to us to maintain those boundaries.
Here are some things that help set those boundaries as well.
"Make sure you invite me to your wedding when you find that guy".
" Can we go shopping together? Help me pick out an outfit so that women will find me more attractive when you move on (with a laugh).
Sugaring helped me get comfortable with beautiful women, with the amount of effort I wanted to put in it. It's helped me to avoid bad relationships, it's helped raise my standards for traditional dating, and opened my eyes to things I wouldn't discover on my own.
The money, the gifts, the extra attention to detail, is payment for services rendered. I always get more out of a good sugar relationship than I give, and she will tell me the same.
They like us for our experiences, don't be afraid to tell them how the "new you" has attracted new fish. It gives them one more reason to do this. (People love to feel good about how they improved someone else's life).
AutoRepairru
01-27-23, 14:12
FlirtySiren on SA TGTBT.
41 yo with the body of a girl in her 20's. Let me know if I messed the boat or dodged a bullet.
FlirtySiren on SA TGTBT.
41 yo with the body of a girl in her 20's. Let me know if I messed the boat or dodged a bullet.Fake.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ea4eb7ac-5aa3-4f9d-b1f2-ca8d70b1e097
https://www.instagram.com/p/CnztaOGqEeZ/
https://www.instagram.com/pamalaaam/
https://members.seeking.com/member/db6f9d85-2842-4aa3-990d-49cded45c369
Starts conversation then immediately says she doesn't "use this app much" and asks for phone number. In broken English, 99.9% chance she's a scammer.
DickLongwood
01-27-23, 18:01
https://members.seeking.com/member/db6f9d85-2842-4aa3-990d-49cded45c369
Starts conversation then immediately says she doesn't "use this app much" and asks for phone number. In broken English, 99.9% chance she's a scammer.Nice photo, but there's not enough substance in her profile to pursue.
AutoRepairru
01-27-23, 20:24
Fake.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ea4eb7ac-5aa3-4f9d-b1f2-ca8d70b1e097
https://www.instagram.com/p/CnztaOGqEeZ/
https://www.instagram.com/pamalaaam/Ty for the reverse image search. To many red flags and alarm bells going on. Big brain got control of the little. If you're in Richmond and need anything let me know.
She the type of teacher that would get fired to promote her OF LOL. No way DCPS hires someone that hot.
https://members.seeking.com/member/95f2a955-dc3c-4045-9585-8753934f59b2
https://www.instagram.com/daria_gapska/
She the type of teacher that would get fired to promote her OF LOL. No way DCPS hires someone that hot.
https://members.seeking.com/member/95f2a955-dc3c-4045-9585-8753934f59b2
https://www.instagram.com/daria_gapska/So many of these insta-scammers. But more of the "one amazing photo and that's it" variety. This one stole several photos and then actually wrote something out to seem almost plausible, but-for the smoke show optics. Makes me wonder if it's an outright scam (dude in a wife beater in his basement) vs. Some chick thinking she can claim she's a close proximity. Which never really pans out.
Rudy Wellz
01-28-23, 07:18
She the type of teacher that would get fired to promote her OF LOL. No way DCPS hires someone that hot.
https://members.seeking.com/member/95f2a955-dc3c-4045-9585-8753934f59b2
https://www.instagram.com/daria_gapska/Reverse search? Great catch and thanks for saving some of us time. She's definitely too hot to be a SB. Not that their aren't some super hot ones in the Bowl, but it's extremely rare.
Rudy Wellz
01-28-23, 07:33
Thank you for the advice, I really appreciate it and it has opened my eyes to this SD / SB world. I had no idea that the usual relationship would require meetings so often. I am too busy (family, work, hobbies, etc) to meet more than once every other week, so it's not even an option. I am going to stick to PPM and even if they want to repeat, I will just keep sticking to that. I don't care if they see other people, it's fwb nsa type of deal anyways. I am on the younger side and could vanilla date, however, without the monetary barrier, they would get attached and things get messy (been there). The main reason to why I am trying this out is to casually date real people but still keep a barrier from getting attached.It may take a while, but you absolutely can find a SB that stays in 'your lane'. Whatever that is. You want to pay $X and meet twice monthly? There is someone out there who will accept your terms. Obviously more $$ frequency, handsome, fit, nice, etc. Gives you more options. But figure out what works for you, stick with it and have patience.
Rudy Wellz
01-28-23, 07:50
I'll give this a shot, but realize there will be as many opinions as there are mongers.
First, you have to be honest with your budget, and that honesty might piss her off. 350 2 x a month isn't much to work with and probably doesn't put you that far above someone she could just vanilla date.
Second, you need to determine if she is pushing for more dates because she likes you or is trying to maximize how much she can get from you. Seeing someone you're fucking at minimum once once a week is pretty normal, and most young women will want sex more often than that.
But there are some things you can do that will help her see you in more favorable terms.
Suggest dates where she doesn't have to get dressed up. If you spend any time reading "sugar baby gossip groups" which are the opposite of what we do here, you're going to hear them complaining about how much time it takes to get ready, how much it costs to get their hair and nails done, how much the outfits cost and they feel justified in getting paid to meet your (all sd's) standards. They include the time it takes to get ready in the ppm in the simplest of terms.
Basically what you're going for here is a "relationship type" Netflix and chill. Ask her to come over in her sweatpants, hoodie, no makeup, because you just want to spend time together. I used to call this the "Tuesday special" she gets some money, an easy night without the pressure of the dog and pony show, we both get laid at a lower ppm. If you present this right, it will make sense to her. You can even point out how you want her to be able to spend time with her friends on Friday and Saturday. In her head, she may translate this to a higher paying opportunity with someone willing to pay more than you and you really have to be okay with that.
Personally, I could see asking a premium for weekend time if I were able to sell this beautiful dad bod to the highest budder.
The next thing you're going to want to do is get inside her mind as often as you get in between her legs. That means paying attention to what she cares about, remembering the things that are important to her, remembering her birthday, and figuring out how to make occasions out of things you don't actually give a shit about.
In 5 years when she looks at her boyfriend, and tells him you aren't shit. Right before she says this, you want her to think of you. So do the things that are going to stand out in her mind as someone she would be proud to tell her mother about if you weren't 25 years older than her.
If you really want to put the "does she like me or is she milking me (and fucking you the way you want) Buy her something small that will be more sentimental or practical than a pair of shoes.
Figure out what kind of snacks she likes. What kind of books she is into. Is she "an aspiring ceo" of her one man nail business? Girls like planners, motivational coffee mugs, vision boards, astrology, aura's, pyschic readings, all the shit you and I know is pointless.
I bought my last sugar baby a poetry book I knew she would like and guess what? She read that whole book to me over face time in the course of a couple days. That's a girl that likes you.
It's human nature to be reciprocal after receiving a gift. She might not be able to buy you something, but she knows what you like 🤣 if you don't see her reciprocating kind gestures, she doesn't value them or you any more than the money and the "let's spend more time together is just an act.
Personally, if that was my budget, I would probably stick to ppm and one night stands. That way neither of you get attached and you aren't living above your means to keep a girlfriend you can't afford.
The money is just an introduction, but it can also be used as a tool to keep proper boundaries. You're paying her, and treating her like an employee is part of the deal. Sometimes you have to shake their hand and wish them the best in their next job.
If you could get her to agree to $200 once a week, with 2 of those on days that are easy for her, that would be a solid sb/sd relationship especially if youre ok with her seeing other people on the nights she isnt with you. She can at least justify that as extra money with the opportunity to make more.
Thats my .02Yesterday evening met up with #2 SB who loves too, and is a pretty good cook. Purchased her a cookbook from a well known chef in a country that she wants to visit. Also picked up a spice that is widely used in that country. Total cost was $40 ish, but she was extremely pleased. Sex is always good, and maybe it was a little bit extra? But really working on the long term benefits as described by Faceless02.
Grafenberg
01-28-23, 07:58
I bought my last sugar baby a poetry book I knew she would like and guess what? She read that whole book to me over face time in the course of a couple days. That's a girl that likes you.
My god, this a crime against humanity, are you ok, brother?
Member #6230
01-28-23, 09:17
Yesterday evening met up with #2 SB who loves too, and is a pretty good cook. Purchased her a cookbook from a well known chef in a country that she wants to visit. Also picked up a spice that is widely used in that country. Total cost was $40 ish, but she was extremely pleased. Sex is always good, and maybe it was a little bit extra? But really working on the long term benefits as described by Faceless02."I just wanted you to know I was thinking about you and I knew you would like this".
🤣 enjoy that extra gushy.
Wait until you start explaining to new pot sb’s that you and your last sb are still friends but you both agree that it would be best to see other people before serious feelings got in the way. Then prove it. good experiences lead to better experiences, and even 20 yr olds know can tell when you’re telling the truth about that sort of thing.
Had a similar interaction with her several months ago. Got her to $700, but maybe she's adjusted ppm upward due to inflation, who knows. I think she's real, although I never sampled. If I recall correctly, was ready to meet at the FC .She's changed her name but not her ask. Still wants 1 k to meet, but she's ready to meet ASAP according to her. Seemed nice enough and claims she has no issues finding guys to drop 1 k on her. I wished her luck, told her I respectfully didn't believe anyone was paying 1 k for a mid 40's SB and offered 400. Surprisingly she didn't get pissed, she just said she would have to "pass on the opportunity" based on the interest she's drawing at the 1 k price point. I moved on.
So I ask. Which one of you mongers is dropping 1 k on her? Haha.
https://members.seeking.com/member/30858c90-8ff7-4cd9-9cee-cd54f9fef2c1
Still one of the go to options. But alas gone are the golden days.
Dimples572
01-28-23, 12:53
https://members.seeking.com/member/30858c90-8ff7-4cd9-9cee-cd54f9fef2c1
Still one of the go to options. But alas gone are the golden days.Wow. In the infamous words of Rick James. Methamphetamine is a helluva drug. LOL.
So many of these insta-scammers. But more of the "one amazing photo and that's it" variety. This one stole several photos and then actually wrote something out to seem almost plausible, but-for the smoke show optics. Makes me wonder if it's an outright scam (dude in a wife beater in his basement) vs. Some chick thinking she can claim she's a close proximity. Which never really pans out.Ordinarily I wouldn't have bothered with one of the low effort types. This one presented as real. Hell I even sent an into message before I started researching.
Ordinarily I wouldn't have bothered with one of the low effort types. This one presented as real. Hell I even sent an into message before I started researching.No shame in that, I'm not great with the reverse image search but the profiles are usually dead give aways. This profile is a damn good con, the scammer just picked images that are simply too hot to not be questioned.
Wow. In the infamous words of Rick James. Methamphetamine is a helluva drug. LOL.Her lastert vibe says I'm a hot mess so if any lover boys want to spend the night with me this is what your see when you wake up. I'm pretty. Or maybe not. Then she goes soon to say she's crazy. Lolz.
Wow. In the infamous words of Rick James. Methamphetamine is a helluva drug. LOL.Did you see the vibe on her page.
TomFordModel
01-28-23, 18:42
https://members.seeking.com/member/30858c90-8ff7-4cd9-9cee-cd54f9fef2c1
Still one of the go to options. But alas gone are the golden days.WTF. You were hitting that? Girls is 29! Looks 40. That fairly sums up SA. Pros, druggie, etc. The hot ones ate fake.
Anyone have any dialogue or intel with these MILF types? Happy to exchange info as well on others I've met if you HMU.
https://members.seeking.com/member/59102574-19f4-405c-9c2e-22db30d8adb1
https://members.seeking.com/member/620d9306-1eae-43d9-9f07-4a29d261445c
https://members.seeking.com/member/05ba0c4e-128a-4f63-90eb-a54777ec14b7
Met with her early last year, nurse with a few extra LBS than she shows in her photos. Found her on socials, she had a b / f then and I believe is / was engaged to him and living with him. She's a bit spontaneous, goes radio silent and then hits you up if you can meet in an hour. She was a bit drunk when she arrived and a LOT of fun. Lmk if anyone else had experiences w her, I am considering repeating.
https://members.seeking.com/member/dda8f5e9-aa5d-453f-bba7-f45c1c36a0d2
Real hot body, chatted and texted w for awhile last year and then she ghosted when I tried to get her to meet. She's from South Riding and goes to VCU. Curious is anyone actually met up w her.
https://members.seeking.com/member/56cb0711-e89a-4dc7-9c49-972921fdfb55
She's back on for like a third time. She was engaged to another chick, but looks like that's off. I had messaged and texted a year+ ago and she sent some ridiculous vids and pics, but never could get her to meet. I'm going to try again, as everyone should. Hat tip to anyone who pulls her!
https://members.seeking.com/member/cdb08ac8-cc0e-4d53-934c-ba5255ec0c7c
Rudy Wellz
01-29-23, 02:26
This young lady hit me up yesterday with the usual, "Hi, may I see you pictures". I always respond, sure. But show me yours first". She reveals her private pictures and we exchange a few messages. She calls me 'love', 'lovee', 'daddy' and sends some really explicit pictures. Want's to know if I'm available later in the evening and accepts a low PPM. This is not my type as she gives major pro vibes. Also not into heavily tattooed women. But sometimes, you just want to have a good time. What would you do?
https://members.seeking.com/member/d51d6979-6397-460f-b327-cf25f9bf5953
Dimples572
01-29-23, 05:51
This young lady hit me up yesterday with the usual, "Hi, may I see you pictures". I always respond, sure. But show me yours first". She reveals her private pictures and we exchange a few messages. She calls me 'love', 'lovee', 'daddy' and sends some really explicit pictures. Want's to know if I'm available later in the evening and accepts a low PPM. This is not my type as she gives major pro vibes. Also not into heavily tattooed women. But sometimes, you just want to have a good time. What would you do?
https://members.seeking.com/member/d51d6979-6397-460f-b327-cf25f9bf5953Fuck it bro, If you're feeling it then go for it.
This young lady hit me up yesterday with the usual, "Hi, may I see you pictures". I always respond, sure. But show me yours first". She reveals her private pictures and we exchange a few messages. She calls me 'love', 'lovee', 'daddy' and sends some really explicit pictures. Want's to know if I'm available later in the evening and accepts a low PPM. This is not my type as she gives major pro vibes. Also not into heavily tattooed women. But sometimes, you just want to have a good time. What would you do?
https://members.seeking.com/member/d51d6979-6397-460f-b327-cf25f9bf5953I'm always afraid of the ones that are so forward, I just get the total scam or rob vibe from them. Personally, I'd stay away brother. Be safe!
WTF. You were hitting that? Girls is 29! Looks 40. That fairly sums up SA. Pros, druggie, etc. The hot ones ate fake.Tom: you missed the whole point of the post. Even though I know you don't have high opinion of others on here, you really thought I would be "hitting that" Tom?
Met with her early last year, nurse with a few extra LBS than she shows in her photos. Found her on socials, she had a b / f then and I believe is / was engaged to him and living with him. She's a bit spontaneous, goes radio silent and then hits you up if you can meet in an hour. She was a bit drunk when she arrived and a LOT of fun. Lmk if anyone else had experiences w her, I am considering repeating.
https://members.seeking.com/member/dda8f5e9-aa5d-453f-bba7-f45c1c36a0d2She is in Leesburg these days and has a bf / fiance. Hits me with little notice. I told that I have a life and can't drop everything suddenly for her.
Otherwise pleasant and beautiful / sexy in person.
Any insight anyone can share? Any luck with her?
https://members.seeking.com/member/ab3ebf37-7bd6-40de-b4de-bafed820f3d5
Any intel on CuteBabe?
https://members.seeking.com/member/c08d4f1c-9d2c-4016-929b-6d664f7dd660
Rudy Wellz
01-29-23, 23:57
Fuck it bro, If you're feeling it then go for it.
I'm always afraid of the ones that are so forward, I just get the total scam or rob vibe from them. Personally, I'd stay away brother. Be safe!Texted her this AM to let her know that I would be available in the evening. Never heard back. Probably dodged a bullet.
I'll give this a shot, but realize there will be as many opinions as there are mongers.
First, you have to be honest with your budget, and that honesty might piss her off. 350 2 x a month isn't much to work with and probably doesn't put you that far above someone she could just vanilla date.
Second, you need to determine if she is pushing for more dates because she likes you or is trying to maximize how much she can get from you. Seeing someone you're fucking at minimum once once a week is pretty normal, and most young women will want sex more often than that.
But there are some things you can do that will help her see you in more favorable terms.
Suggest dates where she doesn't have to get dressed up. If you spend any time reading "sugar baby gossip groups" which are the opposite of what we do here, you're going to hear them complaining about how much time it takes to get ready, how much it costs to get their hair and nails done, how much the outfits cost and they feel justified in getting paid to meet your (all sd's) standards. They include the time it takes to get ready in the ppm in the simplest of terms.
Basically what you're going for here is a "relationship type" Netflix and chill. Ask her to come over in her sweatpants, hoodie, no makeup, because you just want to spend time together. I used to call this the "Tuesday special" she gets some money, an easy night without the pressure of the dog and pony show, we both get laid at a lower ppm. If you present this right, it will make sense to her. You can even point out how you want her to be able to spend time with her friends on Friday and Saturday. In her head, she may translate this to a higher paying opportunity with someone willing to pay more than you and you really have to be okay with that.
Personally, I could see asking a premium for weekend time if I were able to sell this beautiful dad bod to the highest budder.
The next thing you're going to want to do is get inside her mind as often as you get in between her legs. That means paying attention to what she cares about, remembering the things that are important to her, remembering her birthday, and figuring out how to make occasions out of things you don't actually give a shit about.
In 5 years when she looks at her boyfriend, and tells him you aren't shit. Right before she says this, you want her to think of you. So do the things that are going to stand out in her mind as someone she would be proud to tell her mother about if you weren't 25 years older than her.
If you really want to put the "does she like me or is she milking me (and fucking you the way you want) Buy her something small that will be more sentimental or practical than a pair of shoes.
Figure out what kind of snacks she likes. What kind of books she is into. Is she "an aspiring ceo" of her one man nail business? Girls like planners, motivational coffee mugs, vision boards, astrology, aura's, pyschic readings, all the shit you and I know is pointless.
I bought my last sugar baby a poetry book I knew she would like and guess what? She read that whole book to me over face time in the course of a couple days. That's a girl that likes you.
It's human nature to be reciprocal after receiving a gift. She might not be able to buy you something, but she knows what you like 🤣 if you don't see her reciprocating kind gestures, she doesn't value them or you any more than the money and the "let's spend more time together is just an act.
Personally, if that was my budget, I would probably stick to ppm and one night stands. That way neither of you get attached and you aren't living above your means to keep a girlfriend you can't afford.
The money is just an introduction, but it can also be used as a tool to keep proper boundaries. You're paying her, and treating her like an employee is part of the deal. Sometimes you have to shake their hand and wish them the best in their next job.
If you could get her to agree to $200 once a week, with 2 of those on days that are easy for her, that would be a solid sb/sd relationship especially if youre ok with her seeing other people on the nights she isnt with you. She can at least justify that as extra money with the opportunity to make more.
Thats my .02I agree with this in principle, but will say that it hasn't worked for me in practice. Firstly, just to give context to my situation:
As mentioned before, 35, Asian, very overweight. 6 feet, 300 pounds. Only attracted to whites and white latinas, or other light-skinned and European appearance girls, so not AA, dark latinas, Asians, etc. Can afford to give high PPM up to 1 k, maybe even more, but would have to be for 12 h+ dates with BBFS at minimum, and only for very attractive girls. They also have to be good conversationalists and I can stand being with them even if my dick isn't inside them, because if we're together from 12 PM to 12 AM, most of the time I'm not going to be fucking them. I can't invite girls to my place, so I always get a hotel in the Tyson's or Bethesda area, or near where the girl lives. I hate driving long-distance, so I try to stay within the DC / Baltimore area, although I've driven to Easton, MD, and Harrisburg, PA for SB's before. I have confidence in my game due to how often girls tell me I'm easy to talk to, funny with a good vibe, get along well, etc. I don't think it's enough to overcome my body. I dress well enough, although more smart-casual than suave and sophisticated. I've had awful success in DC, and great success in Vegas by comparison. I've been on SA since Oct 2021, and I currently have 3 SB's in the DC area, and over the course of 3 Vegas trips since Dec 2022 to now, I have 15 in Vegas.
For my actual feedback, I have two things to comment on: how girls portray this online and respond to it, and how they interact in person.
On Reddit on are / sugarlifestyleforum, girls argue all the time about what the quoted poster said, they deserve men to pay for everything because they spend time getting ready. However, I've tried asking "so if I ask you to come barefaced with sweatpants on a vanilla date, then I don't have to pay?" and they usually start bitching and make up other BS. For the girls online, the payment is a given, they're just trying to justify it somehow. There is no situation in their mind where the man isn't paying, it's their right as women to be paid by men.
In real life, I've had multiple occasions where I ask the girl to just come over in sweats. 50% of the time, they will say no out of embarrassment. Granted, I haven't been this girls' SB for 7 months or anything, usually only 1-2 because I haven't had luck with long-term arrangements in the DC area. 100% of the time, it hasn't led to lower allowance requirements. I do negotiate, it has never worked for me. In fact, that's why my go-to negotiation tactic is not to ask for them to lower their allowance, but to ask for more time or more things sexually instead. Getting allowance lower than the initial PPM has never worked for me. Finally, I've had frequent cases where I'm short on time, I want a girl to come over now and spend a few hours, not take 90 minutes getting ready. I emphasize to them that I don't have much time because of work the next day, they can just come over and we can hang out casually, grab some Doordash or whatever. Most of the time, the dumb biaches still take forever to get ready because they just don't care or understand what men want.
I can't speak of girls remembering me 5 years later because I haven't been on SA for 5 years, much less had sugarbabies that long. But I can say that in the last year and 3 months, girls I've met and am attracted to don't want a Tuesday night sweatpants Netflix and chill date with lower allowance.
Thank you for the advice, I really appreciate it and it has opened my eyes to this SD / SB world. I had no idea that the usual relationship would require meetings so often. I am too busy (family, work, hobbies, etc) to meet more than once every other week, so it's not even an option. I am going to stick to PPM and even if they want to repeat, I will just keep sticking to that. I don't care if they see other people, it's fwb nsa type of deal anyways. I am on the younger side and could vanilla date, however, without the monetary barrier, they would get attached and things get messy (been there). The main reason to why I am trying this out is to casually date real people but still keep a barrier from getting attached.If you want complete detachment, get an escort. Sugarbabies can take as much time and energy to massage a relationship as vanilla dating, just with faster and more guaranteed access to sex. Also, vanilla FWB exist. I don't see why you think vanilla girls will always catch feelings and want more. Going by conventional logic, women around your attractiveness will always have more options than you for fucking and dating, it's much more likely the man gets jealous because she's the only pussy he can get, while she has many other dicks she could have.
If your vanilla FWB's always catch feelings, may I suggest going after more attractive and social women who won't get attached to you because you're likely not the best man in their pool?
I've said before, the opportunity to date some of these girls without PPM is more prevalent than people might assume. I'm no spring chicken or bottle service baller, but also on the younger side as SD standards go, and I can usually string together a coherent sentence or two. I've had ample opportunity to turn a sugar relationship into something more conventional. That said, as soon as there isn't a PPM involved, now you lose your autonomy and they start thinking they're your GF and expecting certain things.
I know from experience, sadly. She was actually a great girl but as you would expect, much younger. Sex was incredible and she was one of the coolest girls I've met. She finally moved on, and got a serious BF from hinge or some shit. I continued to bang her for a good part of her being with this guy, he was her age and according to her she really liked him, he was nice, age appropriate, etc. But he didn't eat her pussy and he was basically a two pumps and a pullback kind of guy so she never got hers. She's now engaged to the guy, and we no longer see each other. To be honest, I sort of kick myself over that one because it's the one time I actually caught feelings as well, but never actually let on to her that I did and she got tired of it.
Moral of the story, it's much easier / safer to keep the PPM in place and a clear line drawn so as not to muddy the waters and risk any hurt feelings for either party.Whenever I hear these stories, there's always some deep flaw with the guy her age. In this one, he's sexually selfish and doesn't care about her pleasure. It doesn't take skill to pleasure a woman, it takes desire to want to do so. From there, with good communication and being observant, it's not that hard. He just doesn't give a fuck.
Other times, the dude is a total loser with no ambition or desire to do anything. I was fucking this SB from Richmond who worked in a famous pie shop. She was fucking a 21 yo dude when she was past 25, but all he did was make pies and smoke weed. Wasn't doing anything else. Now granted, she also was a loser not going anywhere and always in money trouble but refused to think about budgeting, so they were made for each other. She also let him BBFS even though he's not sterile and she's not on BC, he just pulled out. I am sterile so my creampies are fine, but that girl is stupid and playing with fire.
Then there's times where the dude is abusive or a fuckboy. Doesn't give a shit about her, cheats on her all the time, maybe yells at or beats her, but she's with him for some reason.
Point is, I've never heard of a time where a girl is dating a man her age that is doing very well financially, good in bed, emotionally available, etc and is still fucking old men for fun and a little pocket money on the side.
It's almost pointless to talk about cases where SD's have had SB's catch feelings, imagine if I came here and talked about how this girl started as my SB but dropped the PPM requirement and started riding my dick for free and catching feelings. But she dated this dude who got both his legs and his dick blown off in Iraq. Like yes, he's her age, but there's an obvious reason why she's still fucking me, and it's not because she's getting her needs met but just really wanted my little Asian kungpao because it's sooooooo good and I'm sooo smart and mature.
They're not dating us because we're good, they're dating us because their boys are bad LOL. Either that or they're not that attractive, which given the SB's posted here, is more than a few LOL.
Agreed. When things finally end, you want it to be on good terms. You want them to remember you fondly, not as some guy they wasted their time with. I've never been good at traditional relationships, and years ago realized that each time one ended it was replaced with something better (or at least newer which makes it fun) anyway.
Sugar relationships allow us to move on and remain Allie's, keepers of secrets, and good experiences.
As much as they wear a facade when we meet, and only show us their best, we are also doing the same. After a period of time when the masks finally come off, and what we are left with is our true imperfect selves, it becomes more work than fun. Sugaring allows us to -not answer phone calls and texts, respond to every little thing they deem an emergency, not care how she handles her finances, not care who about infidelity, etc.
The basis of sugaring is mutually beneficial. That means we give them something they are not able to achieve on their own, and we get something that is traditionally unavailable to us without extreme good looks, luck, and the ability to step out of normal social conventions by approaching someone 20 years younger than us in public. We meet in an appropriate place online, we are able to lay out boundaries before we meet, and as the more mature experienced person, it's up to us to maintain those boundaries.
Here are some things that help set those boundaries as well.
"Make sure you invite me to your wedding when you find that guy".
" Can we go shopping together? Help me pick out an outfit so that women will find me more attractive when you move on (with a laugh).
Sugaring helped me get comfortable with beautiful women, with the amount of effort I wanted to put in it. It's helped me to avoid bad relationships, it's helped raise my standards for traditional dating, and opened my eyes to things I wouldn't discover on my own.
The money, the gifts, the extra attention to detail, is payment for services rendered. I always get more out of a good sugar relationship than I give, and she will tell me the same.
They like us for our experiences, don't be afraid to tell them how the "new you" has attracted new fish. It gives them one more reason to do this. (People love to feel good about how they improved someone else's life).Again, I've only been on SA for a little over a year, and haven't had great luck in DC, but none of my SB's have ever cared about bettering me. They also don't keep chatting even after I stop seeing them. I have one SB from Charlottesville that I don't really see except every couple months now, but when she's gone we don't keep up in each others' lives. So far all my SB's have either ghosted, or parted on bad terms.
One latina in Tysons is extremely beautiful, but required 800 PPM. I tried to get BBFS, she refused at first but kept hinting she could get more comfortable. Finally she said let's both get tested, so I figured we were good to go. I took her to the clinic, we both got our tests. Next week when the results were out, she was positive for oral herpes, and I was totally clean. Oral herpes is common, plus we were doing bare oral anyway the whole time, so when I met up with her again I assumed no condom was needed and I was going in her raw.
We get going, I eat her out until she cums, then she gets me hard with her mouth, I lay her on her back and position myself at her entrance when she asks me to put on the condom. At first I thought she was joking, but she was serious. I told her we both got tested, I thought that's not needed, but she said she still wasn't' comfortable. I told her it had gone on long enough, I can't cum with a condom and she knows this, we got tested for a reason. She still refused, so I put on my clothes, gave her the PPM, then dropped her off at her apartment and told her good luck. She was stunned at first that I didn't want to fuck her as I got dressed. Finally when I dropped her off, she sadly said "you too" when I wished her good luck, and got out of my car. Haven't heard from her since.
That was the last SB I had that lasted longer than a month. Every week we met for 800 PPM, and I took her out to nice restaurants, helped her work through her assignments in school, etc.
Had another SB who got along really great with me. I took her on our 3rd date to a night at MGM to celebrate her college graduation. She's open to BBFS and the sex was good, but during that 3rd date I found out she doesn't like having sex for long, at least with me. 15-20 min and she's done, doesn't want to take a break and go again, even though I haven't cum. Not sure if she genuinely doesn't like sex like that, or just doesn't like sex with me. We were both unavailable with the holidays after that date, but a few weeks later she tells me she had a health issue come up that means she has to leave town for a month, and won't be able to continue the relationship when she gets back. No idea what happened, but another great SB gone.
Again, I've only been on SA for a little over a year, and haven't had great luck in DC, but none of my SB's have ever cared about bettering me. They also don't keep chatting even after I stop seeing them. I have one SB from Charlottesville that I don't really see except every couple months now, but when she's gone we don't keep up in each others' lives. So far all my SB's have either ghosted, or parted on bad terms.
As others have shared, my experience doesn't match yours at all. It absolutely helps to be not unattractive and in shape. I am 53, and I am still in touch with several previous SBs. Even ones that ended it with me. You get out what you put in. If you give escorting energy that's what you will attract in my opinion. I lay down the narrative from the very beginning that we will have a intimate relationship based in friendship and respect. These chicks then start spilling the beans on how most of the SDs are not at all like that. Simply being a decent human being (albeit one with a strong antenna for game running) and treating them as ladies pays dividends others have described. Does it happen every time? No. Even still you have a nice time and move on until you find one who gives you more than you give her.
As others have shared, my experience doesn't match yours at all. It absolutely helps to be not unattractive and in shape. I am 53, and I am still in touch with several previous SBs. Even ones that ended it with me. You get out what you put in. If you give escorting energy that's what you will attract in my opinion. I lay down the narrative from the very beginning that we will have a intimate relationship based in friendship and respect. These chicks then start spilling the beans on how most of the SDs are not at all like that. Simply being a decent human being (albeit one with a strong antenna for game running) and treating them as ladies pays dividends others have described. Does it happen every time? No. Even still you have a nice time and move on until you find one who gives you more than you give her.I agree that being attractive gets you benefits in sugar. I mentioned that several posts ago in this thread.
I don't treat SB's like escorts. Hell even escorts, I take them on dinner dates when we're spending a longer time together, even though they charge hourly. I also try to support my SB's emotionally, mentor them about their lives and careers, give them experiences they've always wanted, etc.
None of that has made a difference. I literally met an SB in SC whom I helped through legal issues and severe money problems. Hooked her up with my lawyers for legal guidance, had video calls with her where she sobbed and I consoled her for hours, etc. She ghosted me a few weeks after I took her on a Miami vacation she'd always wanted to go on, but never had a chance to. 10 months later, I see on her IG that she's in the Bahamas with a guy her age.
I had a long time SB (23) who moved away, but I would cover hotel cost for her to visit DC area 3-4 times a year. I was seeing her off and on for 3 years. I was 1 of 2 guys who got her pregnant and I cover half the cost of the abortion. I also help give her advance on her ppm for her apt. She used me as a work reference. I told her that at anytime she wanted to end it I was ok with it just don't ghost me. She completely ghost me recently. Last msg with her was about setting up her next visit DC. I wouldn't stress out about these girls. I just jump back on SA and replace her with an 18 years old.
I agree that being attractive gets you benefits in sugar. I mentioned that several posts ago in this thread.
I don't treat SB's like escorts. Hell even escorts, I take them on dinner dates when we're spending a longer time together, even though they charge hourly. I also try to support my SB's emotionally, mentor them about their lives and careers, give them experiences they've always wanted, etc.
None of that has made a difference. I literally met an SB in SC whom I helped through legal issues and severe money problems. Hooked her up with my lawyers for legal guidance, had video calls with her where she sobbed and I consoled her for hours, etc. She ghosted me a few weeks after I took her on a Miami vacation she'd always wanted to go on, but never had a chance to. 10 months later, I see on her IG that she's in the Bahamas with a guy her age.
TomFordModel
01-30-23, 15:23
I agree that being attractive gets you benefits in sugar. I mentioned that several posts ago in this thread.
I don't treat SB's like escorts. Hell even escorts, I take them on dinner dates when we're spending a longer time together, even though they charge hourly. I also try to support my SB's emotionally, mentor them about their lives and careers, give them experiences they've always wanted, etc.
None of that has made a difference. I literally met an SB in SC whom I helped through legal issues and severe money problems. Hooked her up with my lawyers for legal guidance, had video calls with her where she sobbed and I consoled her for hours, etc. She ghosted me a few weeks after I took her on a Miami vacation she'd always wanted to go on, but never had a chance to. 10 months later, I see on her IG that she's in the Bahamas with a guy her age.Dude, sounds like you want love. This SB shit won't work. It will ultimately end in a heartbreak.
Trust me. I've been there. Caught feels and shit went bad.
Member #6230
01-30-23, 15:25
I agree with this in principle, but will say that it hasn't worked for me in practice. Firstly, just to give context to my situation:
As mentioned before, 35, Asian, very overweight. 6 feet, 300 pounds. Only attracted to whites and white latinas, or other light-skinned and European appearance girls, so not AA, dark latinas, Asians, etc. Can afford to give high PPM up to 1 k, maybe even more, but would have to be for 12 h+ dates with BBFS at minimum, and only for very attractive girls. They also have to be good conversationalists and I can stand being with them even if my dick isn't inside them, because if we're together from 12 PM to 12 AM, most of the time I'm not going to be fucking them. I can't invite girls to my place, so I always get a hotel in the Tyson's or Bethesda area, or near where the girl lives. I hate driving long-distance, so I try to stay within the DC / Baltimore area, although I've driven to Easton, MD, and Harrisburg, PA for SB's before. I have confidence in my game due to how often girls tell me I'm easy to talk to, funny with a good vibe, get along well, etc. I don't think it's enough to overcome my body. I dress well enough, although more smart-casual than suave and sophisticated. I've had awful success in DC, and great success in Vegas by comparison. I've been on SA since Oct 2021, and I currently have 3 SB's in the DC area, and over the course of 3 Vegas trips since Dec 2022 to now, I have 15 in Vegas.
For my actual feedback, I have two things to comment on: how girls portray this online and respond to it, and how they interact in person.
On Reddit on are / sugarlifestyleforum, girls argue all the time about what the quoted poster said, they deserve men to pay for everything because they spend time getting ready. However, I've tried asking "so if I ask you to come barefaced with sweatpants on a vanilla date, then I don't have to pay?" and they usually start bitching and make up other BS. For the girls online, the payment is a given, they're just trying to justify it somehow. There is no situation in their mind where the man isn't paying, it's their right as women to be paid by men.
In real life, I've had multiple occasions where I ask the girl to just come over in sweats. 50% of the time, they will say no out of embarrassment. Granted, I haven't been this girls' SB for 7 months or anything, usually only 1-2 because I haven't had luck with long-term arrangements in the DC area. 100% of the time, it hasn't led to lower allowance requirements. I do negotiate, it has never worked for me. In fact, that's why my go-to negotiation tactic is not to ask for them to lower their allowance, but to ask for more time or more things sexually instead. Getting allowance lower than the initial PPM has never worked for me. Finally, I've had frequent cases where I'm short on time, I want a girl to come over now and spend a few hours, not take 90 minutes getting ready. I emphasize to them that I don't have much time because of work the next day, they can just come over and we can hang out casually, grab some Doordash or whatever. Most of the time, the dumb biaches still take forever to get ready because they just don't care or understand what men want.
I can't speak of girls remembering me 5 years later because I haven't been on SA for 5 years, much less had sugarbabies that long. But I can say that in the last year and 3 months, girls I've met and am attracted to don't want a Tuesday night sweatpants Netflix and chill date with lower allowance.
If you want complete detachment, get an escort. Sugarbabies can take as much time and energy to massage a relationship as vanilla dating, just with faster and more guaranteed access to sex. Also, vanilla FWB exist. I don't see why you think vanilla girls will always catch feelings and want more. Going by conventional logic, women around your attractiveness will always have more options than you for fucking and dating, it's much more likely the man gets jealous because she's the only pussy he can get, while she has many other dicks she could have.
If your vanilla FWB's always catch feelings, may I suggest going after more attractive and social women who won't get attached to you because you're likely not the best man in their pool?
Whenever I hear these stories, there's always some deep flaw with the guy her age. In this one, he's sexually selfish and doesn't care about her pleasure. It doesn't take skill to pleasure a woman, it takes desire to want to do so. From there, with good communication and being observant, it's not that hard. He just doesn't give a fuck.
Other times, the dude is a total loser with no ambition or desire to do anything. I was fucking this SB from Richmond who worked in a famous pie shop. She was fucking a 21 yo dude when she was past 25, but all he did was make pies and smoke weed. Wasn't doing anything else. Now granted, she also was a loser not going anywhere and always in money trouble but refused to think about budgeting, so they were made for each other. She also let him BBFS even though he's not sterile and she's not on BC, he just pulled out. I am sterile so my creampies are fine, but that girl is stupid and playing with fire.
Then there's times where the dude is abusive or a fuckboy. Doesn't give a shit about her, cheats on her all the time, maybe yells at or beats her, but she's with him for some reason.
Point is, I've never heard of a time where a girl is dating a man her age that is doing very well financially, good in bed, emotionally available, etc and is still fucking old men for fun and a little pocket money on the side.
It's almost pointless to talk about cases where SD's have had SB's catch feelings, imagine if I came here and talked about how this girl started as my SB but dropped the PPM requirement and started riding my dick for free and catching feelings. But she dated this dude who got both his legs and his dick blown off in Iraq. Like yes, he's her age, but there's an obvious reason why she's still fucking me, and it's not because she's getting her needs met but just really wanted my little Asian kungpao because it's sooooooo good and I'm sooo smart and mature.
They're not dating us because we're good, they're dating us because their boys are bad LOL. Either that or they're not that attractive, which given the SB's posted here, is more than a few LOL.
Again, I've only been on SA for a little over a year, and haven't had great luck in DC, but none of my SB's have ever cared about bettering me. They also don't keep chatting even after I stop seeing them. I have one SB from Charlottesville that I don't really see except every couple months now, but when she's gone we don't keep up in each others' lives. So far all my SB's have either ghosted, or parted on bad terms.
One latina in Tysons is extremely beautiful, but required 800 PPM. I tried to get BBFS, she refused at first but kept hinting she could get more comfortable. Finally she said let's both get tested, so I figured we were good to go. I took her to the clinic, we both got our tests. Next week when the results were out, she was positive for oral herpes, and I was totally clean. Oral herpes is common, plus we were doing bare oral anyway the whole time, so when I met up with her again I assumed no condom was needed and I was going in her raw.
We get going, I eat her out until she cums, then she gets me hard with her mouth, I lay her on her back and position myself at her entrance when she asks me to put on the condom. At first I thought she was joking, but she was serious. I told her we both got tested, I thought that's not needed, but she said she still wasn't' comfortable. I told her it had gone on long enough, I can't cum with a condom and she knows this, we got tested for a reason. She still refused, so I put on my clothes, gave her the PPM, then dropped her off at her apartment and told her good luck. She was stunned at first that I didn't want to fuck her as I got dressed. Finally when I dropped her off, she sadly said "you too" when I wished her good luck, and got out of my car. Haven't heard from her since.
That was the last SB I had that lasted longer than a month. Every week we met for 800 PPM, and I took her out to nice restaurants, helped her work through her assignments in school, etc.
Had another SB who got along really great with me. I took her on our 3rd date to a night at MGM to celebrate her college graduation. She's open to BBFS and the sex was good, but during that 3rd date I found out she doesn't like having sex for long, at least with me. 15-20 min and she's done, doesn't want to take a break and go again, even though I haven't cum. Not sure if she genuinely doesn't like sex like that, or just doesn't like sex with me. We were both unavailable with the holidays after that date, but a few weeks later she tells me she had a health issue come up that means she has to leave town for a month, and won't be able to continue the relationship when she gets back. No idea what happened, but another great SB gone.This is a lot to unpack. But I'll address a few points.
A 12 hour overnight is a lot and will definitely add to the ask, or willingness. Let the girl breathe bro. That might be one of the main issues you're facing.
I would never ask a sb to come over for free, if she offers, fine. Even if it's her suggestion, she's getting something for it of the deal.
If you are only going for the top 1%-10% of sb's you're going to pay the price and I can imagine most of us would face some of the same things. As in any hot commodity, you're going to get a decrease in performance / value at the top. If a 200 k tricked out g wagon doesn't light your fire, well. You're going to pay a lot more for that 1/250 Ferrari with a 2 year wait list and full payment up front.
Yes, most of these girls knowingly date losers. Not that there is anything wrong with that. If you're not slapping them on the ass on the way out the door, and telling them to tell your bf I said hello, you're doing it wrong. You might be coming off as jealous, where I try to come off as playful.
I guess the best advice I can give you is that if you have 1 k to throw down on a ppm, plus a 2-500 hotel, plus vacations, is that at 35 your money might be better spent on doing what you can to improve yourself.
A personal trainer, a healthy diet, maybe a therapist to work through some things.
If we're looking at a bell curve, and you're shooting all the way from one end towards the other, and I'm closer to the middle in both regards, yeah, I'm going to have more meaningful experiences.
I might sugar out of my league, but I'm not trying to hit a hole in one with a basketball either.
I'm not one who ignores unspoken racism or preferences and I'll freely admit to enjoying some of the benefits of being white that men outside of my race may see as a challenge, however there are things we can control and things we cannot.
As someone who was close to the same weight as you in my 20's, I can also tell you that my life experience has changed as I've skimmed down.
From an outside perspective, the amount of respect I get from people at 290 vs 200 is a world of difference and it shouldn't be a surprise even if it is a bit sad. On the other hand, people tend to associate being obese with a lack of self respect / control and people are naturally going to show more respect to those who respect themselves.
LouisHernandez
01-30-23, 19:37
I'm always afraid of the ones that are so forward, I just get the total scam or rob vibe from them. Personally, I'd stay away brother. Be safe!+1 That. Especially if they called you "love". At the very least you are dealing with a seasoned pro which is never good.
This is a lot to unpack. But I'll address a few points.
A 12 hour overnight is a lot and will definitely add to the ask, or willingness. Let the girl breathe bro. That might be one of the main issues you're facing.
I would never ask a sb to come over for free, if she offers, fine. Even if it's her suggestion, she's getting something for it of the deal.
If you are only going for the top 1%-10% of sb's you're going to pay the price and I can imagine most of us would face some of the same things. As in any hot commodity, you're going to get a decrease in performance / value at the top. If a 200 k tricked out g wagon doesn't light your fire, well. You're going to pay a lot more for that 1/250 Ferrari with a 2 year wait list and full payment up front.
Yes, most of these girls knowingly date losers. Not that there is anything wrong with that. If you're not slapping them on the ass on the way out the door, and telling them to tell your bf I said hello, you're doing it wrong. You might be coming off as jealous, where I try to come off as playful.
I guess the best advice I can give you is that if you have 1 k to throw down on a ppm, plus a 2-500 hotel, plus vacations, is that at 35 your money might be better spent on doing what you can to improve yourself.
A personal trainer, a healthy diet, maybe a therapist to work through some things.
If we're looking at a bell curve, and you're shooting all the way from one end towards the other, and I'm closer to the middle in both regards, yeah, I'm going to have more meaningful experiences.
I might sugar out of my league, but I'm not trying to hit a hole in one with a basketball either.
I'm not one who ignores unspoken racism or preferences and I'll freely admit to enjoying some of the benefits of being white that men outside of my race may see as a challenge, however there are things we can control and things we cannot.
As someone who was close to the same weight as you in my 20's, I can also tell you that my life experience has changed as I've skimmed down.
From an outside perspective, the amount of respect I get from people at 290 vs 200 is a world of difference and it shouldn't be a surprise even if it is a bit sad. On the other hand, people tend to associate being obese with a lack of self respect / control and people are naturally going to show more respect to those who respect themselves.I ask for 12 h dates when the girl asks for 1000 ppm, not the other way around. My usual date is dinner and a few hours in a hotel room for 500, or less if I can negotiate it, but I'm rarely successful.
I've tried sleeping with women that aren't 8's and 9's. I'm just not attracted to them. Most of the time, the allowance that 7's ask for isn't even much different, still around 500 ppm, maybe 400. I have never gotten a single girl to agree to 300, so it's not like I'm saving a bunch of money by lowering my standards.
I'm at the point where if I couldn't afford to see 8's and above, I'd just stay home. Average chicks do nothing for me, sure they're fine as friends, but I don't get turned on by them. I also have an extremely hard time cumming, so it doesn't help when the girl is not smoking hot.
I don't get jealous, I couldn't care less about who else the girl is seeing. Sometimes when we're fucking, during dirty talk I ask them about the last guy they had inside them and when it was. Most girls get nervous because they figure it's a test I'm giving them and I'll flip out if they tell the truth, but I honestly get turned on hearing about other times they've enjoyed getting fucked. I've talked to girls about their BF's or dudes they're fucking, like a former SB from Richmond who fucked her 21 yo coworker at the bakery bareback even though she wasn't on BC.
You're not the first person to suggest getting in shape, and I'll say the same thing I've said to others: I work up really long hours frequently, 9 am until 7 PM, then 2 hours for dinner, then work until I go to bed at 12 or 1 am. I'm not about to put more stress on myself by adding working out to that. I hate exercising, it's very stressful for me and I don't get any sort of runner's high or whatever that other people talk about, or any improvement to my mood. It's just miserable.
I also have this mental thing where I hate my own cooking. I've had someone who knows how to cook stand next to the stove and tell me exactly what ingredients to add and when, and the end product that comes out is something I cannot eat, even though I know it's logically fine. It's something to do with seeing raw ingredients become a finished dish, it just ruins my appetite and makes it taste bad in my mouth.
So, with those things in mind, sure I could invest my money into overcoming those obstacles. Build a home gym. Hire a personal trainer to come over every day to train me. Hire a personal chef to deliver cooked food to me every other day that I just need to microwave. Hire a personal stylist and shopper to go out and buy outfits, design a wardrobe for me. All those put together and I'm probably at close to my SB budget, with no money left over for anything fun.
That will be my life for the next 2 years, working 12 hours a day and eating food from plastic containers, as well as doing pushups with some dude yelling motivational phrases at me. I should be around 180 for might height, so 120 pounds to lose. Then after I lose that weight, I have to go to a plastic surgeon to cut off the loose skin, heal up for another 6-8 months while not gaining any weight even though working out becomes harder.
After going through that hell, now the 9'sand 10's are going to be all over me, I'll be swimming in model pussy right? Wrong, now I'm just looking like an average dude who keeps fit. They're a dime a dozen at the gym, and none of them date Instagram models. I still have to become a multi millionaire at the minimum, as well as develop a social circle where I can have access to girls like that, and the free time to give them the experiences they date rich men for.
It's all so far away that it's not my concern now. I'm focused on building my business, and using money to get whatever I can in the sugar world. Once I'm over the hump I'm at now and have a bit more time, I can hit the weights.
EDIT: One other thing I wanted to comment on, have you sugared outside DC? As I said, I have had much more success finding girls I like in Vegas, even though I've only been there on a couple trips vs living in DC. The bell curve is different for different locations, and I think DC is just skewed unfavorably
I ask for 12 h dates when the girl asks for 1000 ppm, not the other way around. My usual date is dinner and a few hours in a hotel room for 500, or less if I can negotiate it, but I'm rarely successful.
I've tried sleeping with women that aren't 8's and 9's. I'm just not attracted to them. Most of the time, the allowance that 7's ask for isn't even much different, still around 500 ppm, maybe 400. I have never gotten a single girl to agree to 300, so it's not like I'm saving a bunch of money by lowering my standards.
I'm at the point where if I couldn't afford to see 8's and above, I'd just stay home. Average chicks do nothing for me, sure they're fine as friends, but I don't get turned on by them. I also have an extremely hard time cumming, so it doesn't help when the girl is not smoking hot.
I don't get jealous, I couldn't care less about who else the girl is seeing. Sometimes when we're fucking, during dirty talk I ask them about the last guy they had inside them and when it was. Most girls get nervous because they figure it's a test I'm giving them and I'll flip out if they tell the truth, but I honestly get turned on hearing about other times they've enjoyed getting fucked. I've talked to girls about their BF's or dudes they're fucking, like a former SB from Richmond who fucked her 21 yo coworker at the bakery bareback even though she wasn't on BC.
You're not the first person to suggest getting in shape, and I'll say the same thing I've said to others: I work up really long hours frequently, 9 am until 7 PM, then 2 hours for dinner, then work until I go to bed at 12 or 1 am. I'm not about to put more stress on myself by adding working out to that. I hate exercising, it's very stressful for me and I don't get any sort of runner's high or whatever that other people talk about, or any improvement to my mood. It's just miserable.
I also have this mental thing where I hate my own cooking. I've had someone who knows how to cook stand next to the stove and tell me exactly what ingredients to add and when, and the end product that comes out is something I cannot eat, even though I know it's logically fine. It's something to do with seeing raw ingredients become a finished dish, it just ruins my appetite and makes it taste bad in my mouth.
So, with those things in mind, sure I could invest my money into overcoming those obstacles. Build a home gym. Hire a personal trainer to come over every day to train me. Hire a personal chef to deliver cooked food to me every other day that I just need to microwave. Hire a personal stylist and shopper to go out and buy outfits, design a wardrobe for me. All those put together and I'm probably at close to my SB budget, with no money left over for anything fun.
That will be my life for the next 2 years, working 12 hours a day and eating food from plastic containers, as well as doing pushups with some dude yelling motivational phrases at me. I should be around 180 for might height, so 120 pounds to lose. Then after I lose that weight, I have to go to a plastic surgeon to cut off the loose skin, heal up for another 6-8 months while not gaining any weight even though working out becomes harder.
After going through that hell, now the 9'sand 10's are going to be all over me, I'll be swimming in model pussy right? Wrong, now I'm just looking like an average dude who keeps fit. They're a dime a dozen at the gym, and none of them date Instagram models. I still have to become a multi millionaire at the minimum, as well as develop a social circle where I can have access to girls like that, and the free time to give them the experiences they date rich men for.
It's all so far away that it's not my concern now. I'm focused on building my business, and using money to get whatever I can in the sugar world. Once I'm over the hump I'm at now and have a bit more time, I can hit the weights.
EDIT: One other thing I wanted to comment on, have you sugared outside DC? As I said, I have had much more success finding girls I like in Vegas, even though I've only been there on a couple trips vs living in DC. The bell curve is different for different locations, and I think DC is just skewed unfavorablySounds like your having trouble excepting reality bro LOL!
I agree with the other poster. Change your mind set and work on yourself.
Member #6230
01-30-23, 23:51
I ask for 12 h dates when the girl asks for 1000 ppm, not the other way around. My usual date is dinner and a few hours in a hotel room for 500, or less if I can negotiate it, but I'm rarely successful.
I've tried sleeping with women that aren't 8's and 9's. I'm just not attracted to them. Most of the time, the allowance that 7's ask for isn't even much different, still around 500 ppm, maybe 400. I have never gotten a single girl to agree to 300, so it's not like I'm saving a bunch of money by lowering my standards.
I'm at the point where if I couldn't afford to see 8's and above, I'd just stay home. Average chicks do nothing for me, sure they're fine as friends, but I don't get turned on by them. I also have an extremely hard time cumming, so it doesn't help when the girl is not smoking hot.
I don't get jealous, I couldn't care less about who else the girl is seeing. Sometimes when we're fucking, during dirty talk I ask them about the last guy they had inside them and when it was. Most girls get nervous because they figure it's a test I'm giving them and I'll flip out if they tell the truth, but I honestly get turned on hearing about other times they've enjoyed getting fucked. I've talked to girls about their BF's or dudes they're fucking, like a former SB from Richmond who fucked her 21 yo coworker at the bakery bareback even though she wasn't on BC.
You're not the first person to suggest getting in shape, and I'll say the same thing I've said to others: I work up really long hours frequently, 9 am until 7 PM, then 2 hours for dinner, then work until I go to bed at 12 or 1 am. I'm not about to put more stress on myself by adding working out to that. I hate exercising, it's very stressful for me and I don't get any sort of runner's high or whatever that other people talk about, or any improvement to my mood. It's just miserable.
I also have this mental thing where I hate my own cooking. I've had someone who knows how to cook stand next to the stove and tell me exactly what ingredients to add and when, and the end product that comes out is something I cannot eat, even though I know it's logically fine. It's something to do with seeing raw ingredients become a finished dish, it just ruins my appetite and makes it taste bad in my mouth.
So, with those things in mind, sure I could invest my money into overcoming those obstacles. Build a home gym. Hire a personal trainer to come over every day to train me. Hire a personal chef to deliver cooked food to me every other day that I just need to microwave. Hire a personal stylist and shopper to go out and buy outfits, design a wardrobe for me. All those put together and I'm probably at close to my SB budget, with no money left over for anything fun.
That will be my life for the next 2 years, working 12 hours a day and eating food from plastic containers, as well as doing pushups with some dude yelling motivational phrases at me. I should be around 180 for might height, so 120 pounds to lose. Then after I lose that weight, I have to go to a plastic surgeon to cut off the loose skin, heal up for another 6-8 months while not gaining any weight even though working out becomes harder.
After going through that hell, now the 9'sand 10's are going to be all over me, I'll be swimming in model pussy right? Wrong, now I'm just looking like an average dude who keeps fit. They're a dime a dozen at the gym, and none of them date Instagram models. I still have to become a multi millionaire at the minimum, as well as develop a social circle where I can have access to girls like that, and the free time to give them the experiences they date rich men for.
It's all so far away that it's not my concern now. I'm focused on building my business, and using money to get whatever I can in the sugar world. Once I'm over the hump I'm at now and have a bit more time, I can hit the weights.
EDIT: One other thing I wanted to comment on, have you sugared outside DC? As I said, I have had much more success finding girls I like in Vegas, even though I've only been there on a couple trips vs living in DC. The bell curve is different for different locations, and I think DC is just skewed unfavorablyI could continue to go back and forth but I don't think it would do any good so I'm just going to do you like your sb's and. 👻.
Best of luck with the business success.
Old Chinese Guy
01-31-23, 00:07
I ask for 12 h dates when the girl asks for 1000 ppm, not the other way around. My usual date is dinner and a few hours in a hotel room for 500, or less if I can negotiate it, but I'm rarely successful.
I've tried sleeping with women that aren't 8's and 9's. I'm just not attracted to them. Most of the time, the allowance that 7's ask for isn't even much different, still around 500 ppm, maybe 400. I have never gotten a single girl to agree to 300, so it's not like I'm saving a bunch of money by lowering my standards.
I'm at the point where if I couldn't afford to see 8's and above, I'd just stay home. Average chicks do nothing for me, sure they're fine as friends, but I don't get turned on by them. I also have an extremely hard time cumming, so it doesn't help when the girl is not smoking hot.So I've been following your response in this thread with interest. You say you are 6' 300 lbs work your arse off to get your business successful, hate exercise as it is stressful and do the SB thing because you can afford them and don't have time to waste with vanilla dates. Everything you say, I've been there and done that. I was overweight, didn't work out because the inertia to get going was too high, spending too much time professionally to want to 'waste' time with vanilla dating but still wanted sex.
But the getting fit is not a nice to have, it is a MUST have. What good is a successful business and all the money if you can't enjoy it because you are in poor health or have a heart attack. You have to make your health a priority, you can't fuck if you can't get a hard on because of diabetes or other health issues. You might be able to get away with it now but once you get over 40, things start to slow down and once you get over 50, all the deterioration accelerates if you do not do anything about it. I decided about 30 years ago that I need to make health a priority if I wanted to live longer and enjoy all the hard work. I started working out seriously 4-5 days a week and started eating better. Today I'm 61,5'10", 165 lbs and fitter today that I was in my 30's.
I started with the SW thing years ago and moved to escorts as I made more money and wanted better quality. Also did the SB things for a few years as I wanted something less transactional and more resembling a relationship. I finally moved back to vanilla dating recently, back to what I started with in my 20's. I can tell you that the effort I put into vanilla dating is not that much more than setting up SBs. Yes, I'm not fucking 20 somethings but frankly, I don't have anything in common with 20 somethings. Even 30 somethings is pushing the edge of compatibility. I need someone smart, beautiful and enjoys sex as much as I do. I was dating 40 and 50 somethings and have to say that I was spending less, getting more intelligent and equally beautiful women and was having as much sex as I wanted. Of course it could be argued that nothing is free, yes, I buy dinner on the first dates but for the ones I click with, start insisting on paying some of the time after a couple a dates.
And here's the thing, I really ain't that good looking. Yes, I look like I spend time in the gym but pretty average in looks. I carry myself well, am a good conversationalist, semi-intelligent, dress well and got game. Having a beautiful women on your arm in restaurants turns heads and I love the looks I get wondering what the fuck does she see in me. The only downside is that after a short period of being able to have sex with multiple women, sooner of later, the one you really click with dictates some sort of commitment. I just met this 51 yr old who easily looks in her late 30's early 40's, skinny, big natural boobs, small butt, loves sex and is really sensuous. She is also smarter than I am. But the best part is that she is as into me as I am into her. Something I missed in most SB / escort type situations. So I'm swearing off all the other women for this one. Do I get tempted when my former dates, an escort-turned friend or an SB calls? Hell yeah but I haven't acted on any of the temptations yet. Will I get bored, maybe in the future but not yet, by a long shot. Why am I saying all of this? Because knowing that there is one person who will always have your back when you are focusing on your professional stuff is priceless.
My unsolicited advice is that getting fit and healthy is important, for your own sake. You will be able to enjoy sex much longer. It does get easier and less 'stressful' once you get into a rhythm of working out and eating right. You can still eat right even if you don't like to cook. And don't write off vanilla dating, it really isn't that much more time & effort and frankly costs less than SBs. Why the hell wouldn't you want someone who can pull their own financial weight, cook a nice meal, be supportive and around 24/7 for you to laugh and play with. So after years of mongering, I'm back to where I started, all it needed was finding the right person. I do enjoy reading and living vicariously in your adventures, so keep mongering and reporting but I hope you get the chance to get out of this dishwasher cycle at some point in time like I did.
Continuing the high effort (as opposed to one pic and no profile text) fake pic profile.
https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/299af483-3e41-4ad6-8fb4-719c73e87d41
Pics are a tik tok / YouTube chick from Toronto.
https://instagram.com/kimyaebrahimi?igshid=MDM4ZDc5MmU=
I'm leaning towards the "looks adjacent" theory proposed for my previous find. This one did respond to my initial approach, though hasn't said much since. More effort that most scammers make.
Sounds like your having trouble excepting reality bro LOL!
I agree with the other poster. Change your mind set and work on yourself.
I could continue to go back and forth but I don't think it would do any good so I'm just going to do you like your sb's and. 👻.
Best of luck with the business success.My long posts were responses about my experience in the scene and give my perspective. I said I disagreed with some things, but at no point did I ask for advice from anyone, nor did I lecture anybody about their lives.
90% of the time I could do like TomFord and when someone posts about a girl, rage about how ugly she is and how the man must be a loser to even want to fuck her. Or when the ever so common comment about allowance comes up and dudes flip out at paying more than 400 PPM, I could lecture them about financial success and how if they didn't settle for mediocrity, then maybe they wouldn't be pinching pennies over pussy.
Instead, I say nothing. When I can, I give my experiences as a man with my circumstances. And in turn, dudes tell me I can't accept reality LOL.
I ask for 12 h dates when the girl asks for 1000 ppm, not the other way around. My usual date is dinner and a few hours in a hotel room for 500, or less if I can negotiate it, but I'm rarely successful.
I've tried sleeping with women that aren't 8's and 9's. I'm just not attracted to them. Most of the time, the allowance that 7's ask for isn't even much different, still around 500 ppm, maybe 400. I have never gotten a single girl to agree to 300, so it's not like I'm saving a bunch of money by lowering my standards.
I'm at the point where if I couldn't afford to see 8's and above, I'd just stay home. Average chicks do nothing for me, sure they're fine as friends, but I don't get turned on by them. I also have an extremely hard time cumming, so it doesn't help when the girl is not smoking hot.
I don't get jealous, I couldn't care less about who else the girl is seeing. Sometimes when we're fucking, during dirty talk I ask them about the last guy they had inside them and when it was. Most girls get nervous because they figure it's a test I'm giving them and I'll flip out if they tell the truth, but I honestly get turned on hearing about other times they've enjoyed getting fucked. I've talked to girls about their BF's or dudes they're fucking, like a former SB from Richmond who fucked her 21 yo coworker at the bakery bareback even though she wasn't on BC.
You're not the first person to suggest getting in shape, and I'll say the same thing I've said to others: I work up really long hours frequently, 9 am until 7 PM, then 2 hours for dinner, then work until I go to bed at 12 or 1 am. I'm not about to put more stress on myself by adding working out to that. I hate exercising, it's very stressful for me and I don't get any sort of runner's high or whatever that other people talk about, or any improvement to my mood. It's just miserable.
I also have this mental thing where I hate my own cooking. I've had someone who knows how to cook stand next to the stove and tell me exactly what ingredients to add and when, and the end product that comes out is something I cannot eat, even though I know it's logically fine. It's something to do with seeing raw ingredients become a finished dish, it just ruins my appetite and makes it taste bad in my mouth.
So, with those things in mind, sure I could invest my money into overcoming those obstacles. Build a home gym. Hire a personal trainer to come over every day to train me. Hire a personal chef to deliver cooked food to me every other day that I just need to microwave. Hire a personal stylist and shopper to go out and buy outfits, design a wardrobe for me. All those put together and I'm probably at close to my SB budget, with no money left over for anything fun.
That will be my life for the next 2 years, working 12 hours a day and eating food from plastic containers, as well as doing pushups with some dude yelling motivational phrases at me. I should be around 180 for might height, so 120 pounds to lose. Then after I lose that weight, I have to go to a plastic surgeon to cut off the loose skin, heal up for another 6-8 months while not gaining any weight even though working out becomes harder.
After going through that hell, now the 9'sand 10's are going to be all over me, I'll be swimming in model pussy right? Wrong, now I'm just looking like an average dude who keeps fit. They're a dime a dozen at the gym, and none of them date Instagram models. I still have to become a multi millionaire at the minimum, as well as develop a social circle where I can have access to girls like that, and the free time to give them the experiences they date rich men for.
It's all so far away that it's not my concern now. I'm focused on building my business, and using money to get whatever I can in the sugar world. Once I'm over the hump I'm at now and have a bit more time, I can hit the weights.
EDIT: One other thing I wanted to comment on, have you sugared outside DC? As I said, I have had much more success finding girls I like in Vegas, even though I've only been there on a couple trips vs living in DC. The bell curve is different for different locations, and I think DC is just skewed unfavorablyI love the honesty of your post! You keep it real. One thing I have finally learned as I have gotten older is not to give people advice unless they ask for it. My dad is always advising and lecturing people, so I learned from him! Do what makes you happy. I had to laugh out loud about the part regarding raw ingredients and cooking because I am the same way! Happy Hunting!
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I bought Pimeyes subscription to try out; it seems to be pretty good.
You're not the first person to suggest getting in shape, and I'll say the same thing I've said to others: I work up really long hours frequently, 9 am until 7 PM, then 2 hours for dinner, then work until I go to bed at 12 or 1 am. I'm not about to put more stress on myself by adding working out to that. I hate exercising, it's very stressful for me and I don't get any sort of runner's high or whatever that other people talk about, or any improvement to my mood. It's just miserable.
No pussy exists that is worth burning both ends of the candle except for the women that bear your children.
I also have this mental thing where I hate my own cooking. I've had someone who knows how to cook stand next to the stove and tell me exactly what ingredients to add and when, and the end product that comes out is something I cannot eat, even though I know it's logically fine. It's something to do with seeing raw ingredients become a finished dish, it just ruins my appetite and makes it taste bad in my mouth.
So, with those things in mind, sure I could invest my money into overcoming those obstacles. Build a home gym. Hire a personal trainer to come over every day to train me. Hire a personal chef to deliver cooked food to me every other day that I just need to microwave. Hire a personal stylist and shopper to go out and buy outfits, design a wardrobe for me. All those put together and I'm probably at close to my SB budget, with no money left over for anything fun.
That will be my life for the next 2 years, working 12 hours a day and eating food from plastic containers, as well as doing pushups with some dude yelling motivational phrases at me. I should be around 180 for might height, so 120 pounds to lose. Then after I lose that weight, I have to go to a plastic surgeon to cut off the loose skin, heal up for another 6-8 months while not gaining any weight even though working out becomes harder.
It's really not too much to ask of oneself to trim back on a few hundred calories of food and go for a walk everyday.
I use Factor_75 to deliver healthy food that just requires a reheat. There are others. I'm rarely disappointed in the quality of the food.
I use Stichfix and Stately to deliver 90% of my clothing and accessories. There are others. I'm rarely disappointed in the outfits I receive.
Shit, you are using Seeking to deliver 90% of your vagina, too bad it doesn't come via delivery and with a return bag.
Even dropping 50 lbs between now and 2024 is doable without going as extreme as a bootcamp\PT and personal chef, and you won't be so saggy as to need surgery.
After going through that hell, now the 9'sand 10's are going to be all over me, I'll be swimming in model pussy right? Wrong, now I'm just looking like an average dude who keeps fit. They're a dime a dozen at the gym, and none of them date Instagram models. I still have to become a multi millionaire at the minimum, as well as develop a social circle where I can have access to girls like that, and the free time to give them the experiences they date rich men for.
Join the club, and while here you'll find that the 7's and 8's are just as satisfying without all the overhead.
It's all so far away that it's not my concern now. I'm focused on building my business, and using money to get whatever I can in the sugar world. Once I'm over the hump I'm at now and have a bit more time, I can hit the weights.
As an entrepreneur you understand the value of your time, and there exist plenty of ways of making it happen vs making excuses.
Simple lifestyle changes will yield benefits and that goes beyond sugaring. I find my personal productivity increased tremendously when I installed a walking treadmill under my desk, lumbering along at 1. 5 mph while working. My dick is harder now than when heavier, I fuck longer, the quality of poon comes better at a lower ppm, and I generally feel like I'm firing on all cylinders all day everyday. My Test hormones are low so I could go on TRT but then there'd be nothing left for you guys.
NovaDaddy69
01-31-23, 17:30
Claims to be a college student. Wants $200 for a meet and greet over coffee to "discuss our options" before any intimacy. Offered a nice lunch instead, she insisted on getting paid for a meet and greet. Told her good luck.
https://members.seeking.com/member/b1a40a13-ccc2-48f0-8a58-95880d5bad2a
Shit, you are using Seeking to deliver 90% of your vagina, too bad it doesn't come via delivery and with a return bag.
Even dropping 50 lbs between now and 2024 is doable without going as extreme as a bootcamp\PT and personal chef, and you won't be so saggy as to need surgery.
Simple lifestyle changes will yield benefits and that goes beyond sugaring. I find my personal productivity increased tremendously when I installed a walking treadmill under my desk, lumbering along at 1. 5 mph while working.I was going to suggest this. "Working out" would be overkill, but walking on a treadmill can be done while watching a TV show, on a conference call, or even typing on a laptop. Anything to get you up and moving.
BuffBill75
02-01-23, 09:13
Claims to be a college student. Wants $200 for a meet and greet over coffee to "discuss our options" before any intimacy. Offered a nice lunch instead, she insisted on getting paid for a meet and greet. Told her good luck.
https://members.seeking.com/member/b1a40a13-ccc2-48f0-8a58-95880d5bad2aTell her to stop watching tick tock.
TomFordModel
02-01-23, 09:25
Claims to be a college student. Wants $200 for a meet and greet over coffee to "discuss our options" before any intimacy. Offered a nice lunch instead, she insisted on getting paid for a meet and greet. Told her good luck.
https://members.seeking.com/member/b1a40a13-ccc2-48f0-8a58-95880d5bad2aFuck. She's 21 that's her peak and she is a fat as shut.
These girls are crazy. On reddit the sugarbaby forum have all these chick's trying g to pump each other up like they're getting a whale.
TomFordModel
02-01-23, 09:28
My long posts were responses about my experience in the scene and give my perspective. I said I disagreed with some things, but at no point did I ask for advice from anyone, nor did I lecture anybody about their lives.
90% of the time I could do like TomFord and when someone posts about a girl, rage about how ugly she is and how the man must be a loser to even want to fuck her. Or when the ever so common comment about allowance comes up and dudes flip out at paying more than 400 PPM, I could lecture them about financial success and how if they didn't settle for mediocrity, then maybe they wouldn't be pinching pennies over pussy.
Instead, I say nothing. When I can, I give my experiences as a man with my circumstances. And in turn, dudes tell me I can't accept reality LOL.It's about value. These aren't even worth McDonalds.
Anyone recently used a vanilla gift card on seeking?
Trying to see what the alternatives are to a credit card.
Anyone recently used a vanilla gift card on seeking?
Trying to see what the alternatives are to a credit card.Last time I tried to use the Vanilla card it didn't work. I find that any card that can be registered with myprepaidbalance (there will be instructions on the back of the card that you can read before you buy it) seems to work.
Curious if I'm too skeptical. One of those "I want her to be real but doubting it" scenarios.
She's attractive IMO. Skepticism triggers: Her private pictures are grainy. That "photo of a photo" look. Worse then her public ones. Hot chicks know how to take quality pictures of themselves. Profile includes ". Or rushing to get my assignments done while working full time. " But her profile notes having a college degree and an occupation already. So if these are school assignments, that makes no sense. Profile is a week old, so unlikely the language is just not updated. Our conversation has no red flags at this stage but has been brief and trivial.
https://members.seeking.com/member/8340b2b5-02d3-4ba3-997b-fcdc0d2ae899
AnonDemon69
02-02-23, 10:30
Anyone recently used a vanilla gift card on seeking?
Trying to see what the alternatives are to a credit card.Buy a gift card and add it to a Google Pay account (make a new one that your SO does not know about). You can pay using Google Pay.
Curious if I'm too skeptical. One of those "I want her to be real but doubting it" scenarios.
She's attractive IMO. Skepticism triggers: Her private pictures are grainy. That "photo of a photo" look. Worse then her public ones. Hot chicks know how to take quality pictures of themselves. Profile includes ". Or rushing to get my assignments done while working full time. " But her profile notes having a college degree and an occupation already. So if these are school assignments, that makes no sense. Profile is a week old, so unlikely the language is just not updated. Our conversation has no red flags at this stage but has been brief and trivial.
https://members.seeking.com/member/8340b2b5-02d3-4ba3-997b-fcdc0d2ae899I'd go ahead and ask her these questions. I've tried it a couple of times. Both girls were amazed that I actually read her narrative. Ghosting quickly followed in both cases.
I think she's been around for a while but under another name.
JustLikeThe
02-02-23, 11:44
She has been reviwed before including me and you can search for them. I saw her years back and she hosted. Had a roomate and insisted to keep the noise levels down. Too many restrictions and kind of a dead fish and get it done kind of a thing back then.
I think she's been around for a while but under another name.
She has been reviwed before including me and you can search for them. I saw her years back and she hosted. Had a roomate and insisted to keep the noise levels down. Too many restrictions and kind of a dead fish and get it done kind of a thing back then.I believe she has a kid now and wants $ for babysitting as well as PPM. Avoid at all costs. Will try to hold you up for that babysitting money if you change plans. Even if its a meet and greet.
https://members.seeking.com/member/16e26d63-7d58-401b-b348-666417c50666
White girl, from baltimore area, seems very eager to meet up, idk if that's a red flag.
https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/19b83aa6-c935-45cb-b339-996177f080b6
Asian, been on the site for years, also a red flag?
Thanks guys.
I think she's been around for a while but under another name.AVOID, AVOID, and AVOID. There are 1000's of other girls that you can go with.
Last time I tried to use the Vanilla card it didn't work. I find that any card that can be registered with myprepaidbalance (there will be instructions on the back of the card that you can read before you buy it) seems to work.I use giftcards.com.
Claims to be a college student. Wants $200 for a meet and greet over coffee to "discuss our options" before any intimacy. Offered a nice lunch instead, she insisted on getting paid for a meet and greet. Told her good luck.
https://members.seeking.com/member/b1a40a13-ccc2-48f0-8a58-95880d5bad2a& this one wants $35 o for a meet-and-greet.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a80e22aa-2fd4-4df7-b7a3-afe0489fe5f8
& this one wants $35 o for a meet-and-greet.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a80e22aa-2fd4-4df7-b7a3-afe0489fe5f8As hot as she looks in those jeans, I'd take the M&G for $35. That's not even a tank of gas.
I ask for 12 h dates when the girl asks for 1000 ppm, not the other way around. My usual date is dinner and a few hours in a hotel room for 500, or less if I can negotiate it, but I'm rarely successful.
I've tried sleeping with women that aren't 8's and 9's. I'm just not attracted to them. Most of the time, the allowance that 7's ask for isn't even much different, still around 500 ppm, maybe 400. I have never gotten a single girl to agree to 300, so it's not like I'm saving a bunch of money by lowering my standards.
I'm at the point where if I couldn't afford to see 8's and above, I'd just stay home. Average chicks do nothing for me, sure they're fine as friends, but I don't get turned on by them. I also have an extremely hard time cumming, so it doesn't help when the girl is not smoking hot.
I don't get jealous, I couldn't care less about who else the girl is seeing. Sometimes when we're fucking, during dirty talk I ask them about the last guy they had inside them and when it was. Most girls get nervous because they figure it's a test I'm giving them and I'll flip out if they tell the truth, but I honestly get turned on hearing about other times they've enjoyed getting fucked. I've talked to girls about their BF's or dudes they're fucking, like a former SB from Richmond who fucked her 21 yo coworker at the bakery bareback even though she wasn't on BC.
You're not the first person to suggest getting in shape, and I'll say the same thing I've said to others: I work up really long hours frequently, 9 am until 7 PM, then 2 hours for dinner, then work until I go to bed at 12 or 1 am. I'm not about to put more stress on myself by adding working out to that. I hate exercising, it's very stressful for me and I don't get any sort of runner's high or whatever that other people talk about, or any improvement to my mood. It's just miserable.
I also have this mental thing where I hate my own cooking. I've had someone who knows how to cook stand next to the stove and tell me exactly what ingredients to add and when, and the end product that comes out is something I cannot eat, even though I know it's logically fine. It's something to do with seeing raw ingredients become a finished dish, it just ruins my appetite and makes it taste bad in my mouth.
So, with those things in mind, sure I could invest my money into overcoming those obstacles. Build a home gym. Hire a personal trainer to come over every day to train me. Hire a personal chef to deliver cooked food to me every other day that I just need to microwave. Hire a personal stylist and shopper to go out and buy outfits, design a wardrobe for me. All those put together and I'm probably at close to my SB budget, with no money left over for anything fun.
That will be my life for the next 2 years, working 12 hours a day and eating food from plastic containers, as well as doing pushups with some dude yelling motivational phrases at me. I should be around 180 for might height, so 120 pounds to lose. Then after I lose that weight, I have to go to a plastic surgeon to cut off the loose skin, heal up for another 6-8 months while not gaining any weight even though working out becomes harder.
After going through that hell, now the 9'sand 10's are going to be all over me, I'll be swimming in model pussy right? Wrong, now I'm just looking like an average dude who keeps fit. They're a dime a dozen at the gym, and none of them date Instagram models. I still have to become a multi millionaire at the minimum, as well as develop a social circle where I can have access to girls like that, and the free time to give them the experiences they date rich men for.
It's all so far away that it's not my concern now. I'm focused on building my business, and using money to get whatever I can in the sugar world. Once I'm over the hump I'm at now and have a bit more time, I can hit the weights.
EDIT: One other thing I wanted to comment on, have you sugared outside DC? As I said, I have had much more success finding girls I like in Vegas, even though I've only been there on a couple trips vs living in DC. The bell curve is different for different locations, and I think DC is just skewed unfavorablyThere are lots of ways you can lose weight without sweating / exercising or having surgery. I was 300+ two years back and now am 165 lbs. DM me and will share details.
RegularJoe1985
02-02-23, 16:57
As hot as she looks in those jeans, I'd take the M&G for $35. That's not even a tank of gas.He wrote "$35 o".
Seems that he might have meant 350, not 35.
As hot as she looks in those jeans, I'd take the M&G for $35. That's not even a tank of gas.She wants $350, I haggled and she gave me the friends-and-family discount at $300.
ArmyStrong
02-02-23, 22:22
Meeting her over the weekend. Just wondering if anyone has met her before?
https://members.seeking.com/member/695a0f20-36b9-426d-acd3-2402e5dde990
There are lots of ways you can lose weight without sweating / exercising or having surgery. I was 300+ two years back and now am 165 lbs. DM me and will share details.Bro if you're 300+ LBS take a break here and on SA for 6 months, hire a personal trainer spending what you would have spent over that time on SBs, and get your ass healthy again. This ain't a Ted Talk trying to make you feel better, you have some major weight problems that are going to lead to health issues and eventually kill you much earlier than you should be passing away. Spend your money more wisely. Sorry if this is insensitive; but you need to focus on yourself and not paying ****** to fuck, get your health in order and come back when you're less likely to have a stroke or heart attack. And dudes in this forum need to stop being enablers and tell this dude to get his priorities in check, fucking dumb ass young hoes is WAY down on the list when your health is in question.
GuyInTheCorner
02-03-23, 09:13
I believe she has a kid now and wants $ for babysitting as well as PPM. Avoid at all costs. Will try to hold you up for that babysitting money if you change plans. Even if its a meet and greet.Yes, to all this. Happy to share details.
Anyone met up with her? Decent coms so far but these young cute ones are always a gamble.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e6b1cb53-1548-47f9-ab85-1fcaf428d918
Cruisin1011
02-03-23, 18:07
Hellgirl is a scammer, chatted through snap for a few days and couldn't keep her story straight on why she needed money. Would often talk her self down from prices.
I will say though it was fun few days of chatting. Got some nudes for low cost. Got her on video doing some dirty things. Honestly it was so much fun I don't thing I mind the lost of the 50. It was rather entertaining. But just a head up to you all as well, that and seeking has been unusually good to me the last few weeks.
Here's the link:
https://members.seeking.com/member/e5133e97-4700-4a1d-9471-4d31884acc38
CuriousVaMan
02-04-23, 02:40
Never met but texted extensively. NVCC student, lives in a very religious household, no transportation, requires cover.
Meeting her over the weekend. Just wondering if anyone has met her before?
https://members.seeking.com/member/695a0f20-36b9-426d-acd3-2402e5dde990
Its the same thing just escorts are more high volume. I happen to find one of my exSB went professional. I met her in 2020 as a Sugar Baby so don't know her as an escort, but her menu was wide open with me. CIP, Rimming, and Golden shower just to name a few of the things we did. We never did anal, because I'm not into it. I feel that SB let you get away with more kinky sex acts then an escort.
https://skipthegames.com/posts/washington-dc/female-escorts/black_caribbean/generous-professionals-in-need/578763773066
https://members.seeking.com/member/0ea38e34-430b-4303-8b74-35a6167f8c81
https://www.worldescortshub.com/us/jacksonvilleflescorts/6ded1e8248cd11ecaabd2cea7fe04548
I bought Pimeyes subscription to try out; it seems to be pretty good.
TomFordModel
02-04-23, 22:55
WTF happened to DC? Girls are just busted here.
The geriatrics are even online and I'm positive guys are paying for those cob web puss.
I can only dream of getting something decent.
https://members.seeking.com/member/2b1f04d4-57a3-4109-b105-14f9fa364b87
Short messages on site saying she's not looking for a relationship. Get to text and first message she sends it "700 per hr incall".
Dimples572
02-05-23, 23:07
Is she doing some kind of bit?
At some point someone lied to this poor woman and told her this was a good look. LOL WTF??
https://members.seeking.com/member/0ec54b1d-8071-4b4b-b0c8-a8d788d6361f
RyanHarvey
02-06-23, 12:27
I have an absolute sweet heart of a girl that relocated to Alabama for work and is struggling financially. She's available for mostly virtual sessions like video calls and what not (if you're into that). She is also down for a FMTY. I can attach photos here and serious inquiries can PM me for her contact info. Please treat her well.
is she doing some kind of bit?
At some point someone lied to this poor woman and told her this was a good look. Lol wtf??
https://members.seeking.com/member/0ec54b1d-8071-4b4b-b0c8-a8d788d6361fholy shit!
TomFordModel
02-07-23, 01:12
What I want but I can't get!
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Pathfinder04
02-07-23, 16:48
What I want but I can't get!This chick looks very average to me. Fake with way too much makeup. I have found a lot of great women on Seeking in DMV, but if that's your type, why don't you move to New York instead of sitting here complaining constantly?
Have any of you all used the site outside the US? I've had success once in Europe, and I so see they have SBs all over the world. Was just wondering if this was the best site outside the US, or if there are better places to look in Europe and Asia. Was planning to go visit both later this year.
An early 30's UTR in the suburbs is looking to meet a couple new SDs. I've known her for several years. Incredibly sweet and very open. Can't host and sometimes has transportation issues. Happy to connect anyone with her. DM me for more info. Priority to anyone who can make similar intro.
NapataJohn
02-07-23, 17:36
Have any of you all used the site outside the US? .Yes its great in some parts of western europe for sure like germany, some parts of france etc.
Asia they have their own versions which are good. But they usually use apps like wechat line etc.
This chick looks very average to me. Fake with way too much makeup. I have found a lot of great women on Seeking in DMV, but if that's your type, why don't you move to New York instead of sitting here complaining constantly?NYC ain't going to cut it for this one. He'll need to move to Poland!
Have any of you all used the site outside the US? I've had success once in Europe, and I so see they have SBs all over the world. Was just wondering if this was the best site outside the US, or if there are better places to look in Europe and Asia. Was planning to go visit both later this year.I lived in Central / Eastern Europe for 3 years. Hookers are the easier route there, and $40-50 will get you pretty good and $100+ hot ass chicks. HMU and I'll be happy to direct you to the right sites.
I lived in Central / Eastern Europe for 3 years. Hookers are the easier route there, and $40-50 will get you pretty good and $100+ hot ass chicks. HMU and I'll be happy to direct you to the right sites.Agree! Especially in Germany, Austria and Switzerland, where the hobby is legal, there are many alternatives literally right in front of you. SBs simply aren't worth the time and effort to try to work. Even strip clubs are largely irrelevant in those countries.
Partimer109
02-08-23, 18:59
Agree! Especially in Germany, Austria and Switzerland, where the hobby is legal, there are many alternatives literally right in front of you. SBs simply aren't worth the time and effort to try to work. Even strip clubs are largely irrelevant in those countries.When I visited Frankfort Germany I went into a large building, entrance had a snack bar on left, in front of me a half circle curved wall looked like 5 tiled horse washing stalls, stairs on left walked up, my guess is about 40 rooms per floor maybe more and 3 to 5 floors, if door was open and girl in doorway means available, door closed busy or nobody there, it' been a long time since don't remember where in Frankfort but the location was where most of this activity happens, I think it was about a 5 block radius so it's huge, I'm talking the blocks in downtown Denver co size so it's a huge area.
I lived in Central / Eastern Europe for 3 years. Hookers are the easier route there, and $40-50 will get you pretty good and $100+ hot ass chicks. HMU and I'll be happy to direct you to the right sites.
Agree! Especially in Germany, Austria and Switzerland, where the hobby is legal, there are many alternatives literally right in front of you. SBs simply aren't worth the time and effort to try to work. Even strip clubs are largely irrelevant in those countries.
When I visited Frankfort Germany I went into a large building, entrance had a snack bar on left, in front of me a half circle curved wall looked like 5 tiled horse washing stalls, stairs on left walked up, my guess is about 40 rooms per floor maybe more and 3 to 5 floors, if door was open and girl in doorway means available, door closed busy or nobody there, it' been a long time since don't remember where in Frankfort but the location was where most of this activity happens, I think it was about a 5 block radius so it's huge, I'm talking the blocks in downtown Denver co size so it's a huge area.I've never been to E Europe or Germany, but I've heard this as well. I've always wanted to try the FKK's in Germany, basically huge spas with food buffet, hot tubs and pools, saunas, outdoor relaxation areas, and dozens of hot EE girls walking around naked that you can pay to fuck.
The problem is, I've heard that just like the US, ****** in Europe are going to be business-like. Maybe even more so than the US, since it's legal. You're also still paying by time, rather than by date. That's the main reason I moved from escorts and strippers to SB's in the US. Access to bareback, and much more worthwhile from a $/ hour perspective.
For example, sure the 1000 PPM I sometimes have to pay is a lot. But I ask for all day dates at that rate, lunch to 11 PM. No, we're not fucking the entire time, a lot is spent outside the room, but I still enjoy the experience, a girl needs to be able to talk and hold my attention, not just ride my dick in bed. So, 1000/11 = $91/ H, pretty good for a hot 20-something that I'm fucking raw.
In German FKK's, and don't quote me on this, I think it's something like 50 Euro for 30 min? More if you want extras like BBBJ, making out, eating pussy, GFE stuff. BBFS is basically not possible unless she's met you a bunch of times. Dates outside are sometimes possible, sometimes not, just like trying to meet a stripper outside the club.
To me after hearing other people's evaluations, EE ****** are still not my cup of tea. But if your goal is to pay as cheap as possible to stick your dick in a pussy, I suppose they're a great option.
Shares some racy pics right off the bat and wants to move to text right away. Good communicator so it seem English is her first language.
https://members.seeking.com/member/6037ca52-326d-4538-9f54-9c61dcda10df
Once texting she proposes a facetime session, so right away of course I suspect she's running some kind of scam. I reply "Can't do it" and instead of arguing or repeatedly trying again she just said best of luck and went on her way. I'd love to be wrong about her so I figured I'd ask if anyone here had any info.
Cheers!
I've never been to E Europe or Germany, but I've heard this as well. I've always wanted to try the FKK's in Germany, basically huge spas with food buffet, hot tubs and pools, saunas, outdoor relaxation areas, and dozens of hot EE girls walking around naked that you can pay to fuck.
The problem is, I've heard that just like the US, ****** in Europe are going to be business-like. Maybe even more so than the US, since it's legal. You're also still paying by time, rather than by date. That's the main reason I moved from escorts and strippers to SB's in the US. Access to bareback, and much more worthwhile from a $/ hour perspective.
For example, sure the 1000 PPM I sometimes have to pay is a lot. But I ask for all day dates at that rate, lunch to 11 PM. No, we're not fucking the entire time, a lot is spent outside the room, but I still enjoy the experience, a girl needs to be able to talk and hold my attention, not just ride my dick in bed. So, 1000/11 = $91/ H, pretty good for a hot 20-something that I'm fucking raw.
In German FKK's, and don't quote me on this, I think it's something like 50 Euro for 30 min? More if you want extras like BBBJ, making out, eating pussy, GFE stuff. BBFS is basically not possible unless she's met you a bunch of times. Dates outside are sometimes possible, sometimes not, just like trying to meet a stripper outside the club.
To me after hearing other people's evaluations, EE ****** are still not my cup of tea. But if your goal is to pay as cheap as possible to stick your dick in a pussy, I suppose they're a great option.In Europe, sex work is a registered profession. Ladies know the deal, work in police protected areas, even street walkers, and even have unions.
Google: international sexguide nl and find the foreign version of this website.
Each country is different with different prices. In Germany, there are FKk clubs, where you pay an entry fee and get to be there, enjoy a drink at the bar, enjoy the sauna, then negotiate a bit with a lady to join her in private. Bare sex is very rare except for Asians, bbj is normal but will depend.
There is very little stigma to enjoy them unless people know that you are married, but you should move in silence in general.
My experience is that some ladies are all business (UK), both most deliver GFE if you treat them well. They are new girlfriends, treat them as such.
Book your sex tour with confidence, fun is ready to be had as close as Canada and Mexico, as far as Thailand.
Shares some racy pics right off the bat and wants to move to text right away. Good communicator so it seem English is her first language.
https://members.seeking.com/member/6037ca52-326d-4538-9f54-9c61dcda10df
Once texting she proposes a facetime session, so right away of course I suspect she's running some kind of scam. I reply "Can't do it" and instead of arguing or repeatedly trying again she just said best of luck and went on her way. I'd love to be wrong about her so I figured I'd ask if anyone here had any info.
Cheers!Why did the FaceTime request signal a scam to you? I would welcome this versus sending a face pic. What set you off?
Why did the FaceTime request signal a scam to you? I would welcome this versus sending a face pic. What set you off?Everyone has to have their own level of comfort, but I NEVER agree to a FT or any video call. Way to easy for the SB (scammer) to record the call and use it for blackmail.
And before anyone says "just don't talk about anything damaging" - it's not that easy. What do you do if she outright asks "what are you comfortable with paying per date with intimacy" or "how has Seeking Arrangements been for you" or "how long was your last sugar relationship, and why did it end?" etc. Even if you don't answer, you still have to be able to explain what you were doing on a video call with this much younger lady in the first place, and why she'd be asking you about SA or paying her for a date.
If you're married, that would be hard to explain away. If you're single and just want to be autonomous, it could still be damaging. So. No video calls for me, ever.
In Europe, sex work is a registered profession. Ladies know the deal, work in police protected areas, even street walkers, and even have unions.
Google: international sexguide nl and find the foreign version of this website.
Each country is different with different prices. In Germany, there are FKk clubs, where you pay an entry fee and get to be there, enjoy a drink at the bar, enjoy the sauna, then negotiate a bit with a lady to join her in private. Bare sex is very rare except for Asians, bbj is normal but will depend.
There is very little stigma to enjoy them unless people know that you are married, but you should move in silence in general.
My experience is that some ladies are all business (UK), both most deliver GFE if you treat them well. They are new girlfriends, treat them as such.
Book your sex tour with confidence, fun is ready to be had as close as Canada and Mexico, as far as Thailand.I'm on International Sex guide. That's where all the info I have on German FKK's like Sharks comes from, since I've never been there.
I've been to Canada, the Toronto / Mississauga suburb area mostly. Never been to Montreal, where I heard the sex is better, but I don't speak French. The Canadian experience is basically the same as the US with regards to prices and services, at least in Toronto. I went to a couple strip clubs, massage parlors, and a couple independents and agencies. Prices were similar, fucking a stripper was a few hundred. I mainly went to the SC Atlantis. Massage places also a few hundred for fucking, although instead of only asians like in this area, there were a variety of hot white girls. Escort was same thing, hot white girl for a I think 400-500 CAD an hour. None offered BBFS. I understand the prices are cheaper in Montreal, 300-400 for the same type of girls instead of 400-500.
I don't go to Mexico, Thailand, or other areas because firstly, as mentioned I like being able to have smooth, detailed conversations with girls, not just fuck them and make small-talk through a translation app. Secondly, I don't like any women except whites or light-skinned latinas. I would have 0 fun in Thailand or other SE Asian countries, even though they're probably the best bang for your buck to get laid by attractive girls.
I have yet to hear of a place where the following are available together:
1. White-looking girls who are hot (8+/10).
2. Speak decent English, enough to have regular conversations.
3. Commonly offer full GFE along with BBFS.
Notice I didn't put low-cost in that list. I'm even willing to pay US prices (few hundred an hour) if the above three are common, but I can't even find just the 3 above. In every place I know of, BBFS is always YMMV and a crapshoot at best, you better either know the girl for a long time and see her consistently or be hot and turn her on enough that she doesn't care if you fuck her raw. Or, the girls who will do BBFS are always old, ugly, drugged out, etc, and the hot ones don't do it.
Hell, if there's any place where hot white girls consistently provide BBFS, even if they don't speak English, let me know. I've talked to Russian girls in this area through XO Agency, and they think BBFS is the worst and totally impossible, would never do it with anybody.
Everyone has to have their own level of comfort, but I NEVER agree to a FT or any video call. Way to easy for the SB (scammer) to record the call and use it for blackmail.
And before anyone says "just don't talk about anything damaging" - it's not that easy. What do you do if she outright asks "what are you comfortable with paying per date with intimacy" or "how has Seeking Arrangements been for you" or "how long was your last sugar relationship, and why did it end?" etc. Even if you don't answer, you still have to be able to explain what you were doing on a video call with this much younger lady in the first place, and why she'd be asking you about SA or paying her for a date.
If you're married, that would be hard to explain away. If you're single and just want to be autonomous, it could still be damaging. So. No video calls for me, ever.This pretty much sums up my reasons too. I'm really paranoid about this stuff, having had a bad experience. The really bad ones. And they do exist. Are out to get ANY piece of your PII that they can and potentially use it against you. Also, I've heard of scams in which they get you on a video call and the girl on the other end is underage. Even if you disconnect right away they have the screenshot and can then leverage it against you.
It really sucks. SA has become a sewer. At this point I flat out tell SBs that like it or not they won't see my face or know my name until we meet, and that they have to be willing to risk a bit of gas money and an hour of their time. It's definitely put a damper on M&G. Many of them get it and are ok with it. I generally suspect the ones who kick up a fuss are scammers.
This pretty much sums up my reasons too. I'm really paranoid about this stuff, having had a bad experience. The really bad ones. And they do exist. Are out to get ANY piece of your PII that they can and potentially use it against you. Also, I've heard of scams in which they get you on a video call and the girl on the other end is underage. Even if you disconnect right away they have the screenshot and can then leverage it against you.
It really sucks. SA has become a sewer. At this point I flat out tell SBs that like it or not they won't see my face or know my name until we meet, and that they have to be willing to risk a bit of gas money and an hour of their time. It's definitely put a damper on M&G. Many of them get it and are ok with it. I generally suspect the ones who kick up a fuss are scammers.Not always scammers, I've found that many girls are just entitled. These are the type that write stuff like needing to get taken care of for their time, expect paid M&G even with no sex, etc. I've had plenty of girls who seem real, but want me to pay for the Uber and stuff because they're spoiled.
From the girls' perspective though, if I was a hot chick, why wouldn't I do that? Why spend my own money when someone can spend it for me, it makes sense.
This pretty much sums up my reasons too. I'm really paranoid about this stuff, having had a bad experience. The really bad ones. And they do exist. Are out to get ANY piece of your PII that they can and potentially use it against you. Also, I've heard of scams in which they get you on a video call and the girl on the other end is underage. Even if you disconnect right away they have the screenshot and can then leverage it against you.
It really sucks. SA has become a sewer. At this point I flat out tell SBs that like it or not they won't see my face or know my name until we meet, and that they have to be willing to risk a bit of gas money and an hour of their time. It's definitely put a damper on M&G. Many of them get it and are ok with it. I generally suspect the ones who kick up a fuss are scammers.Thanks. I will continue to have chick's meet me at the bar of a close hotel and see what happens.
I'm on International Sex guide. That's where all the info I have on German FKK's like Sharks comes from, since I've never been there.
I've been to Canada, the Toronto / Mississauga suburb area mostly. Never been to Montreal, where I heard the sex is better, but I don't speak French. The Canadian experience is basically the same as the US with regards to prices and services, at least in Toronto. I went to a couple strip clubs, massage parlors, and a couple independents and agencies. Prices were similar, fucking a stripper was a few hundred. I mainly went to the SC Atlantis. Massage places also a few hundred for fucking, although instead of only asians like in this area, there were a variety of hot white girls. Escort was same thing, hot white girl for a I think 400-500 CAD an hour. None offered BBFS. I understand the prices are cheaper in Montreal, 300-400 for the same type of girls instead of 400-500.
I don't go to Mexico, Thailand, or other areas because firstly, as mentioned I like being able to have smooth, detailed conversations with girls, not just fuck them and make small-talk through a translation app. Secondly, I don't like any women except whites or light-skinned latinas. I would have 0 fun in Thailand or other SE Asian countries, even though they're probably the best bang for your buck to get laid by attractive girls.
I have yet to hear of a place where the following are available together:
1. White-looking girls who are hot (8+/10).
2. Speak decent English, enough to have regular conversations.
3. Commonly offer full GFE along with BBFS.
Notice I didn't put low-cost in that list. I'm even willing to pay US prices (few hundred an hour) if the above three are common, but I can't even find just the 3 above. In every place I know of, BBFS is always YMMV and a crapshoot at best, you better either know the girl for a long time and see her consistently or be hot and turn her on enough that she doesn't care if you fuck her raw. Or, the girls who will do BBFS are always old, ugly, drugged out, etc, and the hot ones don't do it.
Hell, if there's any place where hot white girls consistently provide BBFS, even if they don't speak English, let me know. I've talked to Russian girls in this area through XO Agency, and they think BBFS is the worst and totally impossible, would never do it with anybody.There are plenty of options for this, including London, Geneva, Zurich, Paris, Copenhagen, Montreal, Budapest, Warsaw, St. Petersburg, etc. Anywhere in Europe.
From my personal experience, I can attest that each and every place have tons communicative white girls who are sexy, fit, and ready to play. Bare sex is something rare, BBBJ is everywhere.
You just need to take a flight.
FrankCastle6
02-10-23, 01:29
Anybody have any intel? Indian, a little thick, lived near fairfax corner. She have a new profile?
Honey Butter
02-10-23, 03:10
There are plenty of options for this, including London, Geneva, Zurich, Paris, Copenhagen, Montreal, Budapest, Warsaw, St. Petersburg, etc. Anywhere in Europe.
From my personal experience, I can attest that each and every place have tons communicative white girls who are sexy, fit, and ready to play. Bare sex is something rare, BBBJ is everywhere.
You just need to take a flight.Yeah London is solid. I worked there for a few months back in 2017 and stayed in Earls Court. 5-10 sexy Romanian BBFS options within walking distance easily found on adultwork. It was ridiculous.
Everyone has to have their own level of comfort, but I NEVER agree to a FT or any video call. Way to easy for the SB (scammer) to record the call and use it for blackmail.
And before anyone says "just don't talk about anything damaging" - it's not that easy. What do you do if she outright asks "what are you comfortable with paying per date with intimacy" or "how has Seeking Arrangements been for you" or "how long was your last sugar relationship, and why did it end?" etc. Even if you don't answer, you still have to be able to explain what you were doing on a video call with this much younger lady in the first place, and why she'd be asking you about SA or paying her for a date.
If you're married, that would be hard to explain away. If you're single and just want to be autonomous, it could still be damaging. So. No video calls for me, ever.I do video calls all the time. It super easy to avoid anything in criminating. But I never FaceTime well mainly because don't have an iPhone. If she asks to snap I request a Google duo call. If she requests to FaceTime I ask to snap. I also let her know from the beginning this just a call to verify we are both real and who we say we are. I have had several try and get sexual or go into something that could be incriminating I just end the call. Sure they could record the video or take screen shots. To use them against me, they would have to have personel information on me. Just to be able to give to someone to be a risky and generally my opsec is pretty good.
...I have had several try and get sexual or go into something that could be incriminating I just end the call.Do whatever you're comfortable with bro, but I literally addressed this exact point in my original post. Sure you can end the call, but if that recording gets out you're still going to have to explain to a significant other, or coworker, or whoever what you were doing on the video call in the first place.
In my opinion, the risk of a video call far outweighs anything good to be gained from a possible recording. I'd much rather potentially waste a few minutes of time meeting in public so you can bounce if things aren't seeming right.
There are plenty of options for this, including London, Geneva, Zurich, Paris, Copenhagen, Montreal, Budapest, Warsaw, St. Petersburg, etc. Anywhere in Europe.
From my personal experience, I can attest that each and every place have tons communicative white girls who are sexy, fit, and ready to play. Bare sex is something rare, BBBJ is everywhere.
You just need to take a flight.I literally said BBFS is one of the 3 things I need to have LOL. I'm not going to fly to Europe for an experience that I know is rarely going to be involve bareback.
FatWhiteGuy
02-10-23, 12:57
Is she doing some kind of bit?
At some point someone lied to this poor woman and told her this was a good look. LOL WTF??
https://members.seeking.com/member/0ec54b1d-8071-4b4b-b0c8-a8d788d6361fI've been talking with her for a few weeks over on SDM. We traded tons of dirty msgs / pics / vids. She's into "everything". Says she lives in Waynesboro not Cville. She has breathing problems and needed money for the nebulizer so I helped her out with it cause I'm a nice fucking guy. I sent her $125. NEXTDay of her visit, her starter on her Nissan Xterra goes bad. Next day, she had to go to a funeral. THEN the following week she got Covid.
I still keep my hopes up but not likely at this point. The msgs trailed off since she got her money. I msg her once a week to see what kind of response I get. Oh well, F her and her bushy brows.
Anybody have any intel? Indian, a little thick, lived near fairfax corner. She have a new profile?Can you share her seeking link.
Shares some racy pics right off the bat and wants to move to text right away. Good communicator so it seem English is her first language.
https://members.seeking.com/member/6037ca52-326d-4538-9f54-9c61dcda10df
Once texting she proposes a facetime session, so right away of course I suspect she's running some kind of scam. I reply "Can't do it" and instead of arguing or repeatedly trying again she just said best of luck and went on her way. I'd love to be wrong about her so I figured I'd ask if anyone here had any info.
Cheers!She is from California visiting. She is legit and at 600.
Oh she is also 6 ft plus.
FatWhiteGuy
02-10-23, 15:24
She is from California visiting. She is legit and at 600.
Oh she is also 6 ft plus.She's also on a few "other" sites. I contacted her solely on abusing her ass and she said she prefers the dude to have PD reviews or a google meet video chat. I wasnt downloading another fucking app to talk to these ho's. We told each other good luck and moved on.
https://privatedelights.ch/USA/Virginia/Tysons-Corner/Booty
Dimples572
02-10-23, 15:24
I've been talking with her for a few weeks over on SDM. We traded tons of dirty msgs / pics / vids. She's into "everything". Says she lives in Waynesboro not Cville. She has breathing problems and needed money for the nebulizer so I helped her out with it cause I'm a nice fucking guy. I sent her $125. NEXTDay of her visit, her starter on her Nissan Xterra goes bad. Next day, she had to go to a funeral. THEN the following week she got Covid.
I still keep my hopes up but not likely at this point. The msgs trailed off since she got her money. I msg her once a week to see what kind of response I get. Oh well, F her and her bushy brows.LOL best of luck.
She is from California visiting. She is legit and at 600.
Oh she is also 6 ft plus.
Glad to hear she's legit. But 600 is pretty steep, depending on how it was. Can you share details? DM is fine if you prefer.
I've been talking with her for a few weeks over on SDM. We traded tons of dirty msgs / pics / vids. She's into "everything". Says she lives in Waynesboro not Cville. She has breathing problems and needed money for the nebulizer so I helped her out with it cause I'm a nice fucking guy. I sent her $125. NEXTDay of her visit, her starter on her Nissan Xterra goes bad. Next day, she had to go to a funeral. THEN the following week she got Covid.
I still keep my hopes up but not likely at this point. The msgs trailed off since she got her money. I msg her once a week to see what kind of response I get. Oh well, F her and her bushy brows.This is why you never send anything prior to a meet, my dude.
GuyInTheCorner
02-10-23, 18:51
In the last few weeks, I have reconnected with three old SBs. Two here and one in another city I frequent. They all approached me — either immediately on return to the bowl or just out of the blue. Very surprising.
Did anyone see this girl? Planning to meet her on Sunday. Any intel will certainly help.
https://members.seeking.com/member/4fa023a6-48f3-4fd3-b4dd-25d6b03249f0
DasHottCalla
02-11-23, 08:30
https://members.seeking.com/member/a19c88d0-2d5d-4c3c-be42-1f2c96af49b9
Any info on this one.I tried meeting a few months back. She is a self proclaimed brat, in our convo she said that she makes people pay just to message her on SA. Said she would only meet and greet for $500. I was unwilling so we didn't meet.
Rudy Wellz
02-11-23, 10:00
Had a back and forth exchange and tried to set up a M&G with this young lady a few months ago. She went radio silent. Until last weekend when it became urgent that we meet.
Asked for $700, declined my counter offer of $400, and accepted $500. All but said that the M&G was just a formality and to make sure I had enough time budgeted afterwards for fun.
Tried to fit her into my schedule, but couldn't make it work this week. Offered time after next week and crickets.
https://members.seeking.com/member/5dfecb99-3127-479a-9ca1-a106753c78ac
Rudy Wellz
02-11-23, 10:07
Seems like a genuine person. Easy to communicate with. Quoted me $600-$1000. My roster is good and I live in the $400-$500 range so going to take a pass.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ec4eaa53-4716-404e-b803-7b8ec59fff42
Rudy Wellz
02-11-23, 10:25
Maybe she is a real person. Good, but brief convo on Seeking. A few text messages and then silence.
https://members.seeking.com/member/7c051735-0c1a-4e0a-9fa9-6405402cff03
Rudy Wellz
02-11-23, 10:27
Gave me access to private pictures and a number to text, but never responded. Hit her up on Seeking again and no response. Hopefully one of you guys is keeping her occupied.
https://members.seeking.com/member/161d15da-de0a-4fc4-9520-5f11c4719821
CuriousVaMan
02-11-23, 12:36
I love how some of these women appear oblivious to the shit they have on the back of their phones which appears when they take photos in front of a mirror. Pictures of family, school I'd cards, Drivers Licenses, etc. SMH.
Seems like a genuine person. Easy to communicate with. Quoted me $600-$1000. My roster is good and I live in the $400-$500 range so going to take a pass.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ec4eaa53-4716-404e-b803-7b8ec59fff42
Rudy Wellz
02-11-23, 13:24
Scam alert.
Good exchange on Seeking. She suggested we take it offline and we set up a lunch date for today. Communication was great and she was nice, complimentary and courteous. Then came the request to Uber her from PG County to Alexandria. Politely declined, but offered to reimburse her. Then she requested that I Venmo her the funds as her Uber account is linked to Venmo and she didn't want to get stranded in VA. Obviously did not do that. Haven't heard from her since.
Similar to another recent scammer, she intimated that I should make sure that I have enough time after lunch for some fun. Now I'm frantically texting former SB's as my No 1 and 2 are out of town, and No 3 is working.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a0cfa9d2-4bbc-4b7c-9925-7de6bd37d90d
https://members.seeking.com/member/819631ac-affc-41fc-a4d4-060c8b34d419
Been very spotty with communications. Finally get to discussing the date and I tell her dinner and a romantic evening together, I usually do 400. She says it doesn't meet her expectations, if she were hotter I'd negotiate but fuck it, way better out in Vegas than this.
Yeah London is solid. I worked there for a few months back in 2017 and stayed in Earls Court. 5-10 sexy Romanian BBFS options within walking distance easily found on adultwork. It was ridiculous.Interesting, do you happen to remember any links so I can check it out? Were they advertising BBFS, or did you have to ask them online / in person?
She's also on a few "other" sites. I contacted her solely on abusing her ass and she said she prefers the dude to have PD reviews or a google meet video chat. I wasnt downloading another fucking app to talk to these ho's. We told each other good luck and moved on.
https://privatedelights.ch/USA/Virginia/Tysons-Corner/Booty$500 for 34 and fat, geez.
Seems like a genuine person. Easy to communicate with. Quoted me $600-$1000. My roster is good and I live in the $400-$500 range so going to take a pass.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ec4eaa53-4716-404e-b803-7b8ec59fff42Fat and has an ugly face, and wants $600 LOL. Even if the roster was empty and she accepted $400, would you hit it? I wouldn't.
Gave me access to private pictures and a number to text, but never responded. Hit her up on Seeking again and no response. Hopefully one of you guys is keeping her occupied.
https://members.seeking.com/member/161d15da-de0a-4fc4-9520-5f11c4719821Messaged her a while back and didn't get read.
Scam alert.
Good exchange on Seeking. She suggested we take it offline and we set up a lunch date for today. Communication was great and she was nice, complimentary and courteous. Then came the request to Uber her from PG County to Alexandria. Politely declined, but offered to reimburse her. Then she requested that I Venmo her the funds as her Uber account is linked to Venmo and she didn't want to get stranded in VA. Obviously did not do that. Haven't heard from her since.
Similar to another recent scammer, she intimated that I should make sure that I have enough time after lunch for some fun. Now I'm frantically texting former SB's as my No 1 and 2 are out of town, and No 3 is working.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a0cfa9d2-4bbc-4b7c-9925-7de6bd37d90dWhen people request I send an Uber, I accept that. I just don't give them money for Uber before we meet. They can't take advantage of the money in any way, it's just a ride, so scammers refuse to do that.
TomFordModel
02-11-23, 16:48
https://members.seeking.com/member/819631ac-affc-41fc-a4d4-060c8b34d419
Been very spotty with communications. Finally get to discussing the date and I tell her dinner and a romantic evening together, I usually do 400. She says it doesn't meet her expectations, if she were hotter I'd negotiate but fuck it, way better out in Vegas than this.
Interesting, do you happen to remember any links so I can check it out? Were they advertising BBFS, or did you have to ask them online / in person?
$500 for 34 and fat, geez.
Fat and has an ugly face, and wants $600 LOL. Even if the roster was empty and she accepted $400, would you hit it? I wouldn't.
Messaged her a while back and didn't get read.
When people request I send an Uber, I accept that. I just don't give them money for Uber before we meet. They can't take advantage of the money in any way, it's just a ride, so scammers refuse to do that.Why are all the DC girls so fucking fat!
My old ass is past 50 and I still have a six pack.
Maybe she is a real person. Good, but brief convo on Seeking. A few text messages and then silence.
https://members.seeking.com/member/7c051735-0c1a-4e0a-9fa9-6405402cff03She's a real person had meet and greet date with her seemed pretty fun. I also didn't get the vibe she sees multiple people at a time. In fact she claimed she only has one SD at the time. She also seems to be very picky. Second date had a to cancel due to a family emergency. I forgot to text her and cancel obviously things going on. Finally like two days later I texted and let her know she had a snippy attuide when she found out like she was more important than family. So I stopped texting her.
GuyInTheCorner
02-12-23, 10:23
When people request I send an Uber, I accept that. I just don't give them money for Uber before we meet. They can't take advantage of the money in any way, it's just a ride, so scammers refuse to do that.Doesn't that give away your name to the rider?
I've been talking with her for a few weeks over on SDM. We traded tons of dirty msgs / pics / vids. She's into "everything". Says she lives in Waynesboro not Cville. She has breathing problems and needed money for the nebulizer so I helped her out with it cause I'm a nice fucking guy. I sent her $125. NEXTDay of her visit, her starter on her Nissan Xterra goes bad. Next day, she had to go to a funeral. THEN the following week she got Covid.
I still keep my hopes up but not likely at this point. The msgs trailed off since she got her money. I msg her once a week to see what kind of response I get. Oh well, F her and her bushy brows.She has an excuse for everything. Funny that she now has a car that needs a repair when for weeks she had no car and no prospects.
Let me guess, her uncle died? At least she is keeping her stories straight unlike some others that are banging / scamming so many guys they don't remember who they told what.
She's a real person had meet and greet date with her seemed pretty fun. I also didn't get the vibe she sees multiple people at a time. In fact she claimed she only has one SD at the time. She also seems to be very picky. Second date had a to cancel due to a family emergency. I forgot to text her and cancel obviously things going on. Finally like two days later I texted and let her know she had a snippy attuide when she found out like she was more important than family. So I stopped texting her.It's because she can't trust you. You know how many times girls have cancelled on me for shit like "family emergency?"
In this and similar lifestyles, such as with strippers, or even night club hoes, I always assume the worst when something comes up. If she tells me her friend had an issue, it means she's riding another dick. I do so until she proves she's trustworthy.
Gave me access to private pictures and a number to text, but never responded. Hit her up on Seeking again and no response. Hopefully one of you guys is keeping her occupied.
https://members.seeking.com/member/161d15da-de0a-4fc4-9520-5f11c4719821Sorry to hijack your post. But I have a question for the group here. I've been on SA for years now, and I have never come across the above profile. She's been on a while too. She hits my age, height, location, and looking for criteria. No other search criteria that would eliminate her from showing up. I've seen others mentioned here where that's happened as well. I usually use the "recently active" or newest. Have others come across this? Am I doing something wrong?
TheYoungMonger
02-12-23, 15:06
I tried meeting a few months back. She is a self proclaimed brat, in our convo she said that she makes people pay just to message her on SA. Said she would only meet and greet for $500. I was unwilling so we didn't meet.I got her to Snap, didn't have to pay. Set up a dinner date but she kept wanting to change venue to this ridiculously expensive sushi spot so I took that as a hint she just does this for bucket list dinners and ghosted her.
Sorry to hijack your post. But I have a question for the group here. I've been on SA for years now, and I have never come across the above profile. She's been on a while too. She hits my age, height, location, and looking for criteria. No other search criteria that would eliminate her from showing up. I've seen others mentioned here where that's happened as well. I usually use the "recently active" or newest. Have others come across this? Am I doing something wrong?If you are a premium member you have the option of not appearing on searches. I've met a few thanks to others posting on here that otherwise, I would have never seen on my search. My set up is similar, I do not appear on searches and it does not show if I have viewed a profile, only if I favorite.
If you are a premium member you have the option of not appearing on searches. I've met a few thanks to others posting on here that otherwise, I would have never seen on my search. My set up is similar, I do not appear on searches and it does not show if I have viewed a profile, only if I favorite.This is what I suspected actually! I gravitate to the recently active part because I feel like the "hidden last active" option is a lot less likely than it just being an old inactive profile. It feels like a wast of time messaging that way but maybe I need to change my approach. I appreciate your insight.
Doesn't that give away your name to the rider?I don't have a wife to hide this from so I don't care.
Rudy Wellz
02-12-23, 17:58
Doesn't that give away your name to the rider?That's exactly why I don't send an Uber. Not revealing my identity to a SB until there is a significant level of trust. And that is has to be earned! Secondarily, if a SB can't Uber herself to my location, then it doesn't work for me. I am invested in staying under the radar a go through great lengths to do so. Don't need the distraction of providing transportation, coordinating timing and location. Nope. A hard pass.
Everyone's favorite Polish tennis player. Was texting w her recently and she said she had moved down to Miami. I feel like everyone I've DM'd with on here has nailed her. Bump if that list includes you! LOL.
https://members.seeking.com/member/7aed7caf-ed33-4fcf-9bf2-075f916c7c8b
That's exactly why I don't send an Uber. Not revealing my identity to a SB until there is a significant level of trust. And that is has to be earned! Secondarily, if a SB can't Uber herself to my location, then it doesn't work for me. I am invested in staying under the radar a go through great lengths to do so. Don't need the distraction of providing transportation, coordinating timing and location. Nope. A hard pass.With Lyft, you can use whatever name you type in, it does NOT have to be your real name like Uber. Switch it up.
Rudy Wellz
02-13-23, 09:53
With Lyft, you can use whatever name you type in, it does NOT have to be your real name like Uber. Switch it up.This is good information to know. Thank you.
Rudy Wellz
02-13-23, 22:29
Found this one with a Linkedin picture from Peru. Plus I think I've seen her picture in different locations. Any intel? She wrote me out of the blue and wants to meet soon.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ab0a4c6d-d596-4ce3-b1c1-455bee95db79
TomFordModel
02-13-23, 23:59
Found this one with a Linkedin picture from Peru. Plus I think I've seen her picture in different locations. Any intel? She wrote me out of the blue and wants to meet soon.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ab0a4c6d-d596-4ce3-b1c1-455bee95db79Shamu is really. She's too old and fugly to be catfish.
Hit and report back.
https://www.meetup.com/members/291040235/
JustLikeThe
02-14-23, 00:00
There has some not so good advice before (check history) Also I had her hit me up but would not suggest!
Found this one with a Linkedin picture from Peru. Plus I think I've seen her picture in different locations. Any intel? She wrote me out of the blue and wants to meet soon.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ab0a4c6d-d596-4ce3-b1c1-455bee95db79
Hoss Cartright
02-14-23, 11:50
Maybe she is a real person. Good, but brief convo on Seeking. A few text messages and then silence.
https://members.seeking.com/member/7c051735-0c1a-4e0a-9fa9-6405402cff03Rudy, I met her. I ended up passing. Seemed DTF for 4 $$, but there are better out there. She seemed kinda bitchy in the short time that I met her. DM me if you need more. I'd be interested in hearing how it went for anyone that sampled. Hoss.
Not what I usually go for but figured I'd ask. Chatted, were planning to meet but didn't follow through. Wanted $$$ ppm later mentioned $$ if it was ongoing. She's older but looks good for her age.
Any reports?
https://members.seeking.com/member/fa92d249-5969-4096-9720-9418af42c507
Anyone who has ever traveled to the UK can probably instantly recognize the issue in her profile photo. She swears she's in Georgetown and is from Austin TX. I asked for additional pictures and she sent one in a Waitrose apron. She asked for $400 PPM, which was probably reasonable. I blocked when she swore those were her real pictures.
https://members.seeking.com/member/4f229883-2983-486f-a9ac-164225c1da49
TomFordModel
02-15-23, 00:28
Hunter.
Any info. Seems like she has been around. Is she a pro?
https://members.seeking.com/member/be0ce4b8-7c0a-49bb-9f21-7c35ded00276?_cf_ref=aHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2FzZXhndWlkZS5ubC8%3D
Any intel on Babykitty34? She mentioned, she started again and has been in seeking during the past.
https://members.seeking.com/member/4b7d8cac-cbdd-4d5c-b749-12c74b512024
AnonDemon69
02-15-23, 14:23
Wondering if anyone has any intel on her, had a great discussion going with her, seems real. But when I offered 400-500 ppm she said it was a not go. I decided not to counter above that.
https://members.seeking.com/member/d1dc653e-3244-40b8-bf52-7e895129f49eShe asked me for 1 K PPM and did not want to negotiate. Too expensive for me.
AnonDemon69
02-15-23, 14:50
https://members.seeking.com/member/49df274f-579e-4cc9-9861-6e479b95281b
Wants 1 k ppm and asks for an allowance of 2 k+. Says that he has lots of experience.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ebdf30a7-704f-4829-b74a-e1afa2dc6790
Initially responded to my messages then just crickets. Seemed interested but when I asked to discuss details off the website, she just ignored me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/33015732-8a97-42f8-b953-12c031eba48e
Still communicating with her but she takes days before responding to texts. She keeps asking to remind her who I am with a pic every time I message her, I just send her the same one. She did not give PPM. DTF and is bi, but also seems flaky. No PPM amount given.
https://members.seeking.com/member/98af64d9-bbd5-43b7-9b93-07da93405558
Good at communicating at first, but then stopped when asked to meet.
https://members.seeking.com/member/514a67de-4e7b-4baf-abcb-210515d0f4b1
A bit aggressive. She wants someone to just be dominating. But she tries to get your to commit and talk pricing, etc on the site, did not want to chat off site. Maybe you guys will have better luck. I did not like her overall attitude.
AnonDemon69
02-15-23, 14:52
https://members.seeking.com/member/da0cf7ff-96fc-4e67-b5f5-9e56dc6a1e07
She favorited me and shared her photos but that's about it, no response to messages. I searched the Maryland forum but could not find her.
https://members.seeking.com/member/fc0d8b0f-4754-4037-8285-d4a71c166ea1
Seems expensive.
https://members.seeking.com/member/c33a0c0d-7ec2-4cc3-b5ba-df5efa21c737
https://members.seeking.com/member/8c433f8c-4606-48bf-8a9a-d88fcd929d8a
https://members.seeking.com/member/c53e8f30-323a-4ecb-8ea0-3eb8fe4c5e18
https://members.seeking.com/member/54cc03bc-6b5a-4755-8113-fbcad8cf416f
Thanks.
Lodzvisiter
02-16-23, 08:59
https://members.seeking.com/member/da0cf7ff-96fc-4e67-b5f5-9e56dc6a1e07
I saw once and can confirm she's real. Cute girl with slim body. Very sexy and great time. BBFSCIP a couple of times. Would have liked to see her more but she's flighty and tough to nail down. No negotiation upfront. Just gave her 4 as she left.
Here's a Secret Benefits entry. I don't have SA access anymore, so I don't know if she's on there too or not. If she is, feel free to drop a link just so it's there. I haven't talked to her, so looking for intel, but she says she's Persian, and her photos don't come back with any reverse search hits that I saw. Anyone know her?
https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/5a424134e3c198c9
https://members.seeking.com/member/fc0d8b0f-4754-4037-8285-d4a71c166ea1
Seems expensive.
Thanks.Spoke with her a while back. Still probably a month plus from moving to the area. She's currently in LA. Has a kid and will be going to med school. Seems like she's looking for a lifestyle funder, because she's going to have nannies to watch the kid while in school. Unless she's independently wealthy, she's probably looking for a whale. Given her IG following there are probably simps and sheiks already vying to throw money at her.
https://instagram.com/_.h._.o._.n._.e._.y.__?igshid=MDM4ZDc5MmU=
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Spoke with her a while back. Still probably a month plus from moving to the area. She's currently in LA. Has a kid and will be going to med school. Seems like she's looking for a lifestyle funder, because she's going to have nannies to watch the kid while in school. Unless she's independently wealthy, she's probably looking for a whale. Given her IG following there are probably simps and sheiks already vying to throw money at her.
https://instagram.com/_.h._.o._.n._.e._.y.__?igshid=MDM4ZDc5MmU=Traded a few messages with her. She's reaching to think she's worth her ask.
SolRayode8
02-16-23, 23:53
Be careful of this one:
https://members.seeking.com/member/fa101987-562a-4e56-b2fe-98545d4555a1
It amazes me that some people have nothing better to do than waste other people's time. This one says she's in Bethesda; we chatted for a couple of weeks, mainly small talk and getting to know each other, no talk of $$, a gift card, gas, Uber or anything else; all seemed to be going well. She asked to move to Whats app, which we did; we agreed to meet in person next week, but she hit me up this morning asking if I could meet today after she gets off work around 6:30 pm. I agreed and recommended meeting at a restaurant in Bethesda; she said she'd rather meet somewhere more private for some fun. I suggested a hotel in the Bethesda / Rockville area, she agreed and asked me to make the reservations. I made the reservation (DayUse.com) and told her it was all set and sent her the address. She said it would take her about an hour to get to the hotel after work. I reached out at 5 pm to confirm we were still set to meet this evening; she asked if I'd booked the hotel, I said yes, she said ok and that she would see me between 7:30 pm and 8 pm. I grabbed a bite to eat near the hotel around 6:45 pm and waited. Crickets; no show, no call, no text, no whats app message. It was a Day Use reservation, easy to cancel, no money out of my pocket, but I'll never get that time back.
BuffBill75
02-17-23, 10:57
Be careful of this one:
https://members.seeking.com/member/fa101987-562a-4e56-b2fe-98545d4555a1
It amazes me that some people have nothing better to do than waste other people's time. This one says she's in Bethesda; we chatted for a couple of weeks, mainly small talk and getting to know each other, no talk of $$, a gift card, gas, Uber or anything else; all seemed to be going well. She asked to move to Whats app, which we did; we agreed to meet in person next week, but she hit me up this morning asking if I could meet today after she gets off work around 6:30 pm. I agreed and recommended meeting at a restaurant in Bethesda; she said she'd rather meet somewhere more private for some fun. I suggested a hotel in the Bethesda / Rockville area, she agreed and asked me to make the reservations. I made the reservation (DayUse.com) and told her it was all set and sent her the address. She said it would take her about an hour to get to the hotel after work. I reached out at 5 pm to confirm we were still set to meet this evening; she asked if I'd booked the hotel, I said yes, she said ok and that she would see me between 7:30 pm and 8 pm. I grabbed a bite to eat near the hotel around 6:45 pm and waited. Crickets; no show, no call, no text, no whats app message. It was a Day Use reservation, easy to cancel, no money out of my pocket, but I'll never get that time back.Unless it's someone I've seen multiple times and can trust I never book the hotel until they show up.
JohnnyFive85
02-17-23, 12:30
Finally convinced this one to meet, I've been trying to convince her on and off for about a year now. Not cheap, but wow does she open up and show a wild side when she finally relented. She's from up here in Loudoun, played soccer at a school in NC before transferring to JMU. Curious if anyone else has bagged as well? DM if you'd prefer.
https://members.seeking.com/member/c6066484-2e4f-4e6b-b62c-36f332120329
TomFordModel
02-17-23, 14:12
Traded a few messages with her. She's reaching to think she's worth her ask.Hmmm, she's worth no more than 400. I'm not into ethnic but I tried some in the past. I usually throw out 2 to 3 and it's always a go for me. But literally I'm turned off.
Helps if your message box isn't totally full if you want responses.
But, to answer your question, Seeking has always been better for me than Secret Benefits. I just got banned from SA, though, so there's nothing I can really do to check accounts without jumping through a lot of hoops again. Benefits is way lower success rate in terms of getting numbers (for me) and I haven't met anyone from there, though I had a couple of close instances. SA is where I've had all my good fortune and met a couple of keepers. I'd rather do another end-around on my ban than give Benefits more money.
TomFordModel
02-17-23, 17:27
https://members.seeking.com/member/ec4eaa53-4716-404e-b803-7b8ec59fff42
This one was down for 300 and wanted to meet asap. Not my type.
TomFordModel
02-17-23, 17:32
Mcsly. Forget LV just play in NYC if you're dropping up to 1 k.
They literally just text me for dtf.
Anyone see this one? I am surprised I can't find any intel. She seemed legit but the latest message seemed pretty canned and a sob story so spidey-senses went off. Would love some 411 from anyone who's met her. Thanks.
https://members.seeking.com/member/134ae7f7-1260-4f35-92ae-29162fdafaf4
Mcsly. Forget LV just play in NYC if you're dropping up to 1 k.
They literally just text me for dtf.TFM is right, just head north to Philly or NYC. BBFS all day.
Helps if your message box isn't totally full if you want responses.
But, to answer your question, Seeking has always been better for me than Secret Benefits. I just got banned from SA, though, so there's nothing I can really do to check accounts without jumping through a lot of hoops again. Benefits is way lower success rate in terms of getting numbers (for me) and I haven't met anyone from there, though I had a couple of close instances. SA is where I've had all my good fortune and met a couple of keepers. I'd rather do another end-around on my ban than give Benefits more money.Thanks Brother. SA it is.
TFM is right, just head north to Philly or NYC. BBFS all day.You talking with SA or other methods?
In the Manhattan BBFS thread, only girls that aren't busted who do BBFS are Asian AMP girls, and I don't like Asians.
DickLongwood
02-17-23, 21:59
Be careful of this one:
https://members.seeking.com/member/fa101987-562a-4e56-b2fe-98545d4555a1
It amazes me that some people have nothing better to do than waste other people's time. This one says she's in Bethesda; we chatted for a couple of weeks, mainly small talk and getting to know each other, no talk of $$, a gift card, gas, Uber or anything else; all seemed to be going well. She asked to move to Whats app, which we did; we agreed to meet in person next week, but she hit me up this morning asking if I could meet today after she gets off work around 6:30 pm. I agreed and recommended meeting at a restaurant in Bethesda; she said she'd rather meet somewhere more private for some fun. I suggested a hotel in the Bethesda / Rockville area, she agreed and asked me to make the reservations. I made the reservation (DayUse.com) and told her it was all set and sent her the address. She said it would take her about an hour to get to the hotel after work. I reached out at 5 pm to confirm we were still set to meet this evening; she asked if I'd booked the hotel, I said yes, she said ok and that she would see me between 7:30 pm and 8 pm. I grabbed a bite to eat near the hotel around 6:45 pm and waited. Crickets; no show, no call, no text, no whats app message. It was a Day Use reservation, easy to cancel, no money out of my pocket, but I'll never get that time back.She's now listed in Colorado Springs. WTF?!
You talking with SA or other methods?
In the Manhattan BBFS thread, only girls that aren't busted who do BBFS are Asian AMP girls, and I don't like Asians.Ok, then oh well. I like Asians, so we just will agree to disagree. If I score, I will share, good luck.
TomFordModel
02-18-23, 00:18
You talking with SA or other methods?
In the Manhattan BBFS thread, only girls that aren't busted who do BBFS are Asian AMP girls, and I don't like Asians.You don't discuss BBFS. Just get these hoes wet and thirsty then slip it in. Works for me all the time unless it's a pro which starts laying down all the rule. I'd just fucking leave.
Traded a few messages with her. She's reaching to think she's worth her ask.Least it looks like she's trying to be, her followers are a little short though.
I haven't been very active recently but I was pretty active and successful a few yrs ago on SA. Posted here a few success stories in the past.
I only go for 8/9+ girls who are under 27/28 usually early 20's. First thing I have noticed is the quality in DC has gone downhill. Like really dumps. So anyway I've been on SA about a month or so and it seems the new norm ppm for hot (8+) is 1 k per meet. Not overnight just per meet. Girls that used to be happy for 500-600 are now not budging off the 1 k figure. Even some 6/7's who might have an interesting and well written profile (IE bit brighter than the average bimbo on SA) seem to be asking for 1 k. These average 6/7 girls I would not pay a penny to sleep with since I know I could do better in real life for free.
And this doesn't seem to be a DC area thing either, I travel a lot and when I'm looking for girls in slightly lesser metros (Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Chicago) the ask is the same 1 k if they are an 8+. I'd do 1 k for an overnight or longer but 1 k for a couple of hours is a hard pill to swallow because fucking for couple hours I am still not completely satisficed. Need my balls drained one more time before like an early morning BBBJCIM LOL.
Anyway I have had success in the $500 range in towns like Tucson, Oklahoma city, but I usually don't visit often these kind of smaller towns. When I do it seems good value for money but I don't travel for sex I find the sex where I travel for work and its just pointless.
Any thoughts? What towns have you had success in?
https://members.seeking.com/member/33015732-8a97-42f8-b953-12c031eba48e
Still communicating with her but she takes days before responding to texts. She keeps asking to remind her who I am with a pic every time I message her, I just send her the same one. She did not give PPM. DTF and is bi, but also seems flaky. No PPM amount given.
https://members.seeking.com/member/514a67de-4e7b-4baf-abcb-210515d0f4b1
A bit aggressive. She wants someone to just be dominating. But she tries to get your to commit and talk pricing, etc on the site, did not want to chat off site. Maybe you guys will have better luck. I did not like her overall attitude.Similar experiences on both of the above. On the first one. A saga of sporadic communication. She's kept it going at times. She's presumably real and new but too flaky to focus on. The second wants 1 k-1. 2 K ppm. Would likely go lower but I wished her well. Didn't want to get banned talking about it.
Similar experiences on both of the above. On the first one. A saga of sporadic communication. She's kept it going at times. She's presumably real and new but too flaky to focus on. The second wants 1 k-1. 2 K ppm. Would likely go lower but I wished her well. Didn't want to get banned talking about it.I met the second one in person a few times about a year ago. She said 1 k ppm was on the low side of what she was being offered. Didn't think she was hot enough for that high of an allowance, especially for Baltimore. More of a GND look but fun personality and low drama.
DasHottCalla
02-18-23, 19:53
Any intel on these?
https://members.seeking.com/member/32fe6fa9-d340-484f-a4b0-6fb9d592e743
https://members.seeking.com/member/fa95a8d5-5c0f-4b7d-a733-cb7f22da9977
https://members.seeking.com/member/ce409596-ebeb-4618-b862-4277f7cc2d00
https://members.seeking.com/member/6aed1a80-2252-46a2-b139-6b279a66d4fe
Couldn't find anything by searching the thread with their usernames. Much appreciated.Messaged Coco. She wants 700 ppm.
I haven't been very active recently but I was pretty active and successful a few yrs ago on SA. Posted here a few success stories in the past.
I only go for 8/9+ girls who are under 27/28 usually early 20's. First thing I have noticed is the quality in DC has gone downhill. Like really dumps. So anyway I've been on SA about a month or so and it seems the new norm ppm for hot (8+) is 1 k per meet. Not overnight just per meet. Girls that used to be happy for 500-600 are now not budging off the 1 k figure. Even some 6/7's who might have an interesting and well written profile (IE bit brighter than the average bimbo on SA) seem to be asking for 1 k. These average 6/7 girls I would not pay a penny to sleep with since I know I could do better in real life for free.
And this doesn't seem to be a DC area thing either, I travel a lot and when I'm looking for girls in slightly lesser metros (Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Chicago) the ask is the same 1 k if they are an 8+. I'd do 1 k for an overnight or longer but 1 k for a couple of hours is a hard pill to swallow because fucking for couple hours I am still not completely satisficed. Need my balls drained one more time before like an early morning BBBJCIM LOL.
Anyway I have had success in the $500 range in towns like Tucson, Oklahoma city, but I usually don't visit often these kind of smaller towns. When I do it seems good value for money but I don't travel for sex I find the sex where I travel for work and its just pointless.
Any thoughts? What towns have you had success in?The short answer is: Yes.
Long answer is a bit more complicated. I'll elaborate:
Firstly, I'm assuming you're comparing 1 k now to 500 a few years ago, but your looks haven't changed that much in between. I'm 35, Asian, and fat, and yea 1 k is about the upper end of what I get asked. I also go for 8+ 20-somethings, my SA search range stops at 30 years old. If you're hotter, the price gets cheaper, but I'm sure you know that. Just search TomFordModel's posts, dude regularly gets free pussy from 20-somethings cause he has a 6-pack, even if it's not in the last 12 months.
Now, you're probably thinking about how to overcome the price differential between what the girls want and what you can afford. Not sure about your finances, but there's two methods that I've used which works. The first is just straight up telling them you can only do a certain amount. This works if girls don't have a solid idea of what they want, or don't have too many better options. They just threw out a number from thin air, or some shit that they saw on TikTok. For those girls, a hard rebuttal will work, but have no idea what the market rate for pussy is.
This will not work if the girl is in an industry where she has options, such as nightclub bottle girls, strippers, etc. Those girls get men who offer to fly them out to Miami to hang out on their yacht all the time. They know the value of their pussy, in fact they probably have an inflated value of their pussy, Golden Pussy Syndrome. They will not settle for 500 when they already had Alexander the 50-yo club owner offer to fly them and their friends out on his private jet and hang out in his Miami penthouse for the weekend. The thing I've used on these girls is to ask for more time. They want 1000, but it doesn't mean it has to be 1000 for just dinner and a quick fuck. I ask for lunch, hanging out in the afternoon, dressing up and going to dinner, then getting together again at night. I try to make it sound like a fun date, something the girls will want to do anyway with a regular boyfriend. Yea, going to lunch and dinner also costs more money, so you should budget something like 1,300 total, but it helps girls think that they're not escorts, just getting 1000 to fuck, but rather girlfriends with benefits, 1000 to do fun shit they want to do, do dinner at nice places like Nobu, and also get paid for it.
Disclaimer: If you look back at my post history, you can see me talking about stuff like bottle girl sugar babies months ago, and a rebuttal from, I think FogHorn1, where he talks about fucking bottle girls for 400 because he treats them like humans and not sex toys, and is funny and they enjoy his company. IDK what Foghorn looks like, but that hasn't worked for me. I make girls laugh all the time over our first dinner M&G, but not a single one has ever agreed to 400 PPM that he gets. He's probably way more handsome than I am, so take that into account when you're formulating your approach.
Good luck! If you're looking for the easy way out, I would suggest Vegas. Lots of girls have accepted less than 1 k PPM, but are hot and open to BBFS. It's what I'm mostly doing now.
...I only go for 8/9+ girls who are under 27/28 usually early 20's. ...anyway I've been on SA about a month or so and it seems the new norm ppm for hot (8+) is 1 k per meet. I travel a decent amount as well and since you've been out of the bowl, times have changed. You'll be hard pressed to find a true 9/10 for less than 800 PPM in any major city. That's not to say it's not possible, it's just very, very rare. I scratch my head often at who's paying this. Obviously there's a group that does, OR these 9/10's are just fine passing on a reasonable offer based on the BS they've heard on reddit or TikTok about "getting that bag".
The prevailing thought is that with the economy not doing so well, and the crypto cash flow drying up, prices will come down. I haven't seen that at all. I'm fine with sitting on the sidelines for a bit; I can go without pussy longer than they can go without money so I'll play the long game.
I travel a decent amount as well and since you've been out of the bowl, times have changed. You'll be hard pressed to find a true 9/10 for less than 800 PPM in any major city. That's not to say it's not possible, it's just very, very rare. I scratch my head often at who's paying this. Obviously there's a group that does, OR these 9/10's are just fine passing on a reasonable offer based on the BS they've heard on reddit or TikTok about "getting that bag".
The prevailing thought is that with the economy not doing so well, and the crypto cash flow drying up, prices will come down. I haven't seen that at all. I'm fine with sitting on the sidelines for a bit; I can go without pussy longer than they can go without money so I'll play the long game.Yea I don't know where these girls get their information and ideas about market value on pussy. Just talked to this girl who's a promo model in Vegas that works for conventions and such. She's never had an SA arrangement, apparently just freestyled a dude before, and I'm one of her first SA convos. We finally get to the end of an awkward M&G where she's been hinting at wanting a high priced lifestyle, wouldn't give any numbers specifically, told me she's not a prostitute multiple times, etc. I give her $50 for Uber, and she basically goes "that's it? I thought you said 500 for intimate dates?
I tell her yea, intimate dates meaning sex. She's flabbergasted and thought 500 was just for a dinner, and literally says "Even the cheapest hooker in Las Vegas wouldn't have sex for just 500!
I laugh, and she makes me confirm several times that I've actually fucked girls for 500. I tell her yes, between 500-1000 is a very normal PPM range. She just walks off LOL.
Finally convinced this one to meet, I've been trying to convince her on and off for about a year now. Not cheap, but wow does she open up and show a wild side when she finally relented. She's from up here in Loudoun, played soccer at a school in NC before transferring to JMU. Curious if anyone else has bagged as well? DM if you'd prefer.
https://members.seeking.com/member/c6066484-2e4f-4e6b-b62c-36f332120329Well done! I've tried and failed for like two years with that one.
SuckeredByaSB
02-19-23, 20:18
Yea I don't know where these girls get their information and ideas about market value on pussy. Just talked to this girl who's a promo model in Vegas that works for conventions and such. She's never had an SA arrangement, apparently just freestyled a dude before, and I'm one of her first SA convos. We finally get to the end of an awkward M&G where she's been hinting at wanting a high priced lifestyle, wouldn't give any numbers specifically, told me she's not a prostitute multiple times, etc. I give her $50 for Uber, and she basically goes "that's it? I thought you said 500 for intimate dates?
I tell her yea, intimate dates meaning sex. She's flabbergasted and thought 500 was just for a dinner, and literally says "Even the cheapest hooker in Las Vegas wouldn't have sex for just 500!
I laugh, and she makes me confirm several times that I've actually fucked girls for 500. I tell her yes, between 500-1000 is a very normal PPM range. She just walks off LOL.I just am not willing to pay that much. My 2 current longterm SBs are in the 250-300 range. Kinda tired of both of then, but value is too good to give up. A third sent me a message on VDay so maybe she will come back. She was the best. 300 and no need for hotel.
I guess lots of guys make $1 mm in DC. Oh well.
Xmiz.
https://members.seeking.com/member/46bc6e1a-c3ce-4b3e-ba17-fa466717d5f6
JohnnyFive85
02-20-23, 20:04
Anyone ever meet w this one? Ukranian travel blogger that was in the Bethesda area I believe. I met w her after meeting on SDM about a year and a half ago and heard she might be back. If you did and / or have her link or contact info HMU, I'll gladly send info back on others as a thanks.
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