Anything for bigger cum loads / multiples?

[DFWdude]

I frequent organized gang bangs and I take trips to sex clubs in Europe. Now that I am 46 its harder for me to regain momentum and reshoot in shorter time periods. Has aanyone had any luck with products like Max Load? When I go to these kinds of parties I like to be able to finish every time.

[Yung Evr]

I frequent organized gang bangs and I take trips to sex clubs in Europe. Now that I am 46 its harder for me to regain momentum and reshoot in shorter time periods. Has aanyone had any luck with products like Max Load? When I go to these kinds of parties I like to be able to finish every time.Clomid is the stuff if you're looking for gigantic cum loads.

[Jeepster1]

I frequent organized gang bangs and I take trips to sex clubs in Europe. Now that I am 46 its harder for me to regain momentum and reshoot in shorter time periods. Has aanyone had any luck with products like Max Load? When I go to these kinds of parties I like to be able to finish every time.Lecithin is cheap and increases output volume. Haven't tried it to enhance reload time, though.

-Jeepster1

[Onexxxva]

I've seen a difference in load, and recovery after taking Zinc supplements.

[John Dough]

I took Swedish Flower Pollen Extract, two capsules a day. After two weeks my semen about doubled in volume, and my orgasms lasted twice as long.

http://barlowesherbalelixirs.com/index.php?id_product=41&controller=product

[LuvBigRax]

Did it help with second round?


I took Swedish Flower Pollen Extract, two capsules a day. After two weeks my semen about doubled in volume, and my orgasms lasted twice as long.

http://barlowesherbalelixirs.com/index.php?id_product=41&controller=product

[John Dough]

Did it help with second round?Pollen extract didn't help with a second round. After ejaculation the hormone prolactin increases and dopamine decreases. To reduce the refractory period you need to boost dopamine and reduce prolactin. Natural prolactin inhibitors include vitamin B6 and Ginko Biloba. Do a google search and you will find more. Tonkat Ali (longjack) is a powerful prolactin inhibitor. Unfortunately, if it is too strong it can make you feel nauseated. That is what happened when I took LJ100. The herb Mucuna Pruriens boosts dopamine and so does the amino acid Tyrosine.

More info here:
http://www.muscle-health-fitness.com/prolactin-inhibitor.html/

[SimonPieMan]

I frequent organized gang bangs and I take trips to sex clubs in Europe. Now that I am 46 its harder for me to regain momentum and reshoot in shorter time periods. Has aanyone had any luck with products like Max Load? When I go to these kinds of parties I like to be able to finish every time.Years ago, I saw Aja perform at the Deja Vu in Lansing. During the course of conversation, I asked her if Peter North had a secret. She claimed that he told her it was celery. I tried it but didn't notice a difference in load size.

Simon

[Bckpg721]

Clomid is the stuff if you're looking for gigantic cum loads.I have used it many time and it triples my load. The key is to take it before bed 3 days before you want to deposit a massive facial on your girl!

You can also look into HCG which is even more effective than clomid.

[LuvBigRax]

Have tried prolactin inhibitors without success. I'm taking tongkat Ali and I find it helps erection but not refractory. Has mucuna helped you? Any other thoughts on helping a second round? Thanks.


Pollen extract didn't help with a second round. After ejaculation the hormone prolactin increases and dopamine decreases. To reduce the refractory period you need to boost dopamine and reduce prolactin. Natural prolactin inhibitors include vitamin B6 and Ginko Biloba. Do a google search and you will find more. Tonkat Ali (longjack) is a powerful prolactin inhibitor. Unfortunately, if it is too strong it can make you feel nauseated. That is what happened when I took LJ100. The herb Mucuna Pruriens boosts dopamine and so does the amino acid Tyrosine.

More info here:

http://www.muscle-health-fitness.com/prolactin-inhibitor.html/

[Yung Evr]

Have tried prolactin inhibitors without success. I'm taking tongkat Ali and I find it helps erection but not refractory. Has mucuna helped you? Any other thoughts on helping a second round? Thanks.Try M4M thoroughly discussed in the performance thread. Many on here have had all-around success with that formula.

[John Dough]

Have tried prolactin inhibitors without success. I'm taking tongkat Ali and I find it helps erection but not refractory. Has mucuna helped you? Any other thoughts on helping a second round? Thanks.I haven't tried mucuna pruriens myself, but others have reported success in reducing the refractory period. They prefer the herb that is standardized for L-Dopa content. Others have reported success with Parkinson's drugs Bromocriptine and Cabergoline though side effects can be an issue. I have also heard that some report a reduced refractory period when using 100 mg of Viagra.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/172660-mucuna-pruriens.html

http://www.sexanddrugs.info/cabergoline.htm

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=147105473&page=1

http://www.pharmacyreviewer.com/forum/erectile-dysfunction-other-sexual-aid-drugs/31572-cabergoline-libido-decreased-refractory-period.html

[Ron M]

Time. Give yourself Time between your Excursions. I'm ready to go about 7 to 10 days after my last Excursion. My Shots are Big. Not Peter North Big, but Big enough. If you Smoke and Drink, Quit. These two things have an affect on Sexual Performance for Guys.

[LuvBigRax]

Is mucunaa something to take daily or a bit before the action starts?


I haven't tried mucuna pruriens myself, but others have reported success in reducing the refractory period. They prefer the herb that is standardized for L-Dopa content. Others have reported success with Parkinson's drugs Bromocriptine and Cabergoline though side effects can be an issue. I have also heard that some report a reduced refractory period when using 100 mg of Viagra.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/172660-mucuna-pruriens.html

http://www.sexanddrugs.info/cabergoline.htm

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=147105473&page=1

http://www.pharmacyreviewer.com/forum/erectile-dysfunction-other-sexual-aid-drugs/31572-cabergoline-libido-decreased-refractory-period.html

[Slick Dick]

It advertises bigger cum loads. In addition to increasing size and how long you can last. Anybody tried it?

[John Dough]

Is mucunaa something to take daily or a bit before the action starts?If you take mucuna pruriens that is standardized for a high L-Dopa content, it should have an effect from just one dose, but I'm not sure what the right dosage is.

http://examine.com/supplements/L-DOPA/

"100 mg single administration of L-DOPA was able to augment magnitude of T-reflex (used to measure physical responses to orgasm) in men, although 100 mg L-DOPA was ineffective at increasing libido or sexual arousal; by acting on the oxytocinergic neurons in the PVN of the hypothalamus. 3 men reported penile erection during the control (non-sexual) film used, an amusing side-effect.

"Case studies of persons using L-DOPA at dosages exceeding 2.5 g note hypersexuality and more frequent (sometimes inappropriately timed) erections.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-science/217256-mucuna-pruriens-questions.html

"I'm taking 200 mg (L-Dopa) in the form of a mucuna pruriens extract for 5 days. So far, I've gotten in increase in vascularity, mood improvement, better pumps, *spontaneous erections*.

[John Dough]

Have tried prolactin inhibitors without success. http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/08/the-dolly-parton-effect/

"Bread makes males breasts grow.

A direct hormonal effect–Exorphins that are derived from the gliadin protein of wheat (specifically the B5 pentapeptide) stimulate pituitary release of the hormone, prolactin. "Pro" = promotes; "lactin" = lactation, or breast milk production. The B5 wheat exorphin doubles blood prolactin levels in experimental models (Fanciulli 2003). Increased prolactin levels then cascade, via a pituitary effect, to cause reduced production of testosterone by the testicles ("hypogonadism" as well as erectile dysfunction.

An indirect hormonal effect–The visceral fat (deep abdominal fat) of a wheat belly–yeah, that unsightly protuberance that hangs over the belt in boys, teenagers, young males, mature adults, and elderly men, since it spares no one–produces large quantities of the enzyme, aromatase, that in turn converts androgens (male hormones), androstenedione and testosterone, to estrogen (Williams 2012). This occurs in breast tissue as well as other tissues.

So men with man boobs have higher levels of estrogen and prolactin and lower levels of testosterone, a hormonal mess that stimulates growth of breast tissue.

[Banders]

My gf is a lmt and she massages me a few times a week. I had her start to do an external prostate massage along with me taking lecithin daily has turned my short spurts into huge jets. I also find that I can cum in large amounts multiple times with in a very short period of time.

[John Dough]

http://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/news/20040804/young-men-lead-surge-in-viagra-use

"In a January 2000 study in Human Reproduction, Italian researchers note men without erectile dysfunction who took Viagra cut in half their "refractory period" the time it takes to get another erection following orgasm.- from the typical 20 minutes to about 10.

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Male_Refractory_Period.aspx

"There are indications that nitric oxide plays a powerful role in recovery from the refractory period. The reason is that some of the PDE5 inhibitors (Viagra and Levitra specifically) have significantly reduced the refractory period in younger, relatively healthy males.

"Now it would be nice if they would have studied this in middle-aged or senior men, but such is not the case as far as I know. However, anecdotally many men have noticed the accelerated recovery time after Cialis in particular. This could be from a number of different factors, but one of them is likely the increased nitric oxide.

[John Dough]

http://www.libertariannews.org/2012/09/20/nutmeg-spice-aphrodisiac-anti-depressant-anti-nausea-and-a-powerful-inebriant/

"The traditional use of nutmeg as an aphrodisiac was recently put to the test by researchers at the Aligarh Muslim University in Aligarh, India. Their study was conducted by orally administering a 50% ethanol extract of nutmeg to male rats and monitoring changes in mating behaviors and sexual function. The extract was shown to significantly increase the frequency of erections and the mounting frequency, to decrease the amount of time between sexual episodes, and to significantly delay ejaculation in the test animals.".

[John Dough]

Nutmeg is the closest thing to Viagra that I have found in the grocery store. It is easy to buy as a powder in the spice section. The problem is it tastes nasty. I tried dissolving it in various liquids and foods but that made it worse by getting it wet. I found the best way to take it is to spoon it onto your tongue dry and then wash it down with water. You need at least one teaspoon. Two is better. The effect starts to kick in about 4 hours after taking it on an empty stomach and peaks about 2 hours later. Side effects are dry mouth and dizziness.

[John Dough]

Have tried prolactin inhibitors without success.Try zinc supplements.

http://www.muscle-health-fitness.com/raising-testosterone-levels.html/

"Prolactin is a nasty hormone that reduces sex drive in men which we generally want to limit. Zinc, in combination with b6, reduces prolactin levels and keeps dopamine levels high.".

"Zinc is without doubt the most important mineral for a man's reproductive and sexual health. When a marginal zinc deficiency is corrected you can expect your sex drive to greatly improve and your semen volume to increase.".

"Zinc is a major component of seminal fluid and is what makes it white. Many guys notice a very obvious increase in semen volume after taking 50 mg to 100 mg of extra zinc a day.".

"Zinc is a powerful aromatase inhibitor that will greatly reduce the conversion of testosterone to estrogen in the body. The latest research suggests that excess estrogen is the most likely cause of prostate problems in men ".

[John Dough]

Years ago, I saw Aja perform at the Deja Vu in Lansing. During the course of conversation, I asked her if Peter North had a secret. She claimed that he told her it was celery. I tried it but didn't notice a difference in load size.

SimonMaybe you didn't eat enough. Try juicing it to remove the fiber.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Celery-and-Semen---Natural-Ways-to-Increase-Semen&id=5035762

"Raw celery not only increases semen production but also helps boost libido or sex drive in men. Not only this, it is also going to make your semen taste sweeter.".

"Pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, oysters, pineapple juice etc., are all known to increase the production of semen in your body.".

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-15255.html

"I started a little zinc experiment. Taking around 150- 200 mg of a zinc a day. One day I even took 250 mg...".

"-Wake up with morning wood like I am 18 again. Great indicator of good test levels.".

"-High libido".

"-Massive loads... Peter north type cum shots. Fucking ropes across the room type shit.".

[SecretSquirell]

Years ago, I saw Aja perform at the Deja Vu in Lansing. During the course of conversation, I asked her if Peter North had a secret. She claimed that he told her it was celery. I tried it but didn't notice a difference in load size.

SimonBack in the early 90's I actually met Peter North myself, he was dating a bridesmaid in a friends wedding in Newport Beach. I personally did not ask him anything about porn, helluva nice guy BTW. I believe he was temporarily retired from porn at the time.

My friend however, who did a fair amount of socializing with him as his gf and my friends wife were close friends, did ask him once and he claimed to have basically two prostate glands. He was actually kinda concerned since his Dr had recently told him that gave him 4 x the risk of prostate cancer.

So that could have been true or it could he pure BS and it really was the celery.

[Ramblin25]

Funny,

You get that new car and...man..., you're really watching what type of oil and gas you put into it.

But do you take the same care for yourself?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for trying out supplements and the latest "rocket pills" and quick fixes.

But I did notice something a while back when on my latest health nut faze.

I noticed that after a couple days of eating really good salads my semen volume definitely increased, as well as the pleasure.

I didn't tie it in right away, but after falling back on the typical burgers, sandwiches french fries etc. For a while and then going back to the salads, it got me to thinking.

So, whether your on some type of supplement or not, try eating a really good salad for lunch or dinner for a few days before...your major event!

And I'm not talking about a cheapo dollar salad at your closest burger joint.

Try this.

Go out and buy some really fresh Romaine lettuce, a bag of spinach, a red and green bell pepper, some celery, bag of carrots, broccoli and maybe even some chic peas (garbanzo beans).

Now assemble yourself 3 or 4 days worth of salads. Each one should have at least 4 or 5 leaves off the head of Romaine, a handful of spinach leaves, a quarter of both the red and green bell pepper, 1 carrot and 3 or 4 pieces cut from the broccoli crown.

Congratulations, your giving your body a powerhouse of vitamins and phytonutrients. The Romaine is much better nutritionally than the typical iceberg lettuce. And I truly believe that the key is a diversity of vegetables and fruits for that matter.

Read the following article, or just scan down to where the fruits and vegetables are mentioned.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/99506-foods-eat-improve-semen-volume/

And an interesting chart:

http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article17.aspx

So look at what's on top of the chart, Green Leafy vegetables. Wow, confirmation on my suspicions!

So load up on the salads and see how it goes...or cums...for that matter. LOL.

Ramblin.

[John Dough]

I have tried The Ring of Power brand ball zinger and can verify the increase in libido that they claim. I noticed they make some other claims that I didn't notice. I just started wearing it again and will watch for these other effects.

http://megabiz.net/

5. Increases Libido and sex drive, due to Testosterone Boosting effects.

6. Sperm production increased, stronger ejaculations and thicker more healthy ejaculations.

8. Pre-mature ejaculation less of a problem.

[Wirelessone]

I have to give a big endorsement to Source Naturals Swedish Flower Pollen. I have been taking it since September and from the first day and night for that matter late night runs to the bathroom have been eliminated. I can't tell you what getting a good nights sleep has done for me, more relaxed, more energy and larger volume when I cum.

I only get ropes if I have not cum in a week or so but I am attributing the larger loads to my prostate being more relaxed. I have told a few friends who are my age (50) and each called back saying thanks for telling them about swedish flower pollen.

I tried the daily dose of bottle of Vitalikor and while it did not give me the response I was looking for in terms of hardness it did produce a lot of pre-cum and after a week or ten days without nutting, you will have cum cause pre cum was literally dripping out. I have also being taking a 75 mg Zinc tablet and some lecithin and l-argine as well.

Since V and see stopped working for me I think Caverjet is next and although 37% of men report penile pain as a side effect I am going to try cause being soft aint good for a marriage. Here's to hoping I am one of the 63% who won't experience pain. I wanted to try tri-mix gel but my physican says he wasn't familiar with it so he declined to write a script.

[Muncher8888]

I did not back up my previous computers info so please do not take it as 100% accurate. I think it was Maxim Magazine.

Maxim mag did an article whereupon they claim Peter North gave up the goods.

It was a component of a beehive. Not pollen exactly but that somewhat gooey part of the hive the bees put down to protect the combs.

"PROPOLIS" I think that was it.

Whether or not this is truly Peter Norths main secret, I don't know.

Here is a small blurb I found via Google:

Inflammation. Prostate.

A team of Romanian doctors supplied 30 g of bee pollen daily to 110 patients with chronic hepatitis (jaundice) over a period of 90 to 180 days. The lab tests showed that the proportion of bloodalbumine to gammaglobuline improved in all patients.

At two urological clinics in Uppsala and Lung, Sweden, pollen was tested on prostatitis and the enlargement of the prostate. With a daily supplement of 15 g of pollen they achieved good results.

Romanian doctors gave bee pollen to 34 patients (age 56-75) with prostate enlargement. Besides bee pollen the patients got propolis and royal jelly. After the bee pollen cure the patients reported a considerable improvement both physically and mentally. The doctors noted a reduction in the size of the prostate.


Back in the early 90's I actually met Peter North myself, he was dating a bridesmaid in a friends wedding in Newport Beach. I personally did not ask him anything about porn, helluva nice guy BTW. I believe he was temporarily retired from porn at the time.

My friend however, who did a fair amount of socializing with him as his gf and my friends wife were close friends, did ask him once and he claimed to have basically two prostate glands. He was actually kinda concerned since his Dr had recently told him that gave him 4 x the risk of prostate cancer.

So that could have been true or it could he pure BS and it really was the celery.

[John Dough]

http://www.lelo.com/theblog/five-questions-benefits-prostate-massaging/

"I've been stimulating my husbands prostate for a couple years now The amount he cums / ejaculates has almost doubled even without stimulating it he used to have 4-5 "ropes" shoot out now about 7-8 and and a lot more total volume I recommend try this it has increased his stamina and his orgasms seem more intense".

[John Dough]

http://www.literotica.com/s/the-art-of-ball-stretching

"Ball stretching creates a unique sensation on its own. Nevertheless, the most common goal of such an activity is to experience orgasm with the balls stretched. As a man nears and has his orgasm, the scrotum attempts to contract and pull the testicles up towards the body. Any mild resistance to this, such as having your balls stretched, causes a prolonged and much more intense orgasm than normal. It is truly unbelievable and is extraordinarily erotic. As the man reaches orgasm, he cums and cums and cums and shoots for miles".

[John Dough]

http://www.thundersplace.org/male-supplements/celery-celery-supplements-effect-on-erections-2.html

"Celery seeds work for me really well. They give me semi hard-ons all day, larger ejaculation volume and great morning wood. It is incredibly cheap and readily available everywhere".

"I've been taking them for a few days now and I have had better morning wood and farther distance on ejaculation".

[John Dough]

I was reading some online reports of improved erections from flax, primrose, borage and fish oil so decided to try it. I bought a supplement of omega 3 6 9 oil with flax, borage and fish oil combined. I haven't noticed improved erections yet but I did notice it increased my semen volume. I had a similar result from Swedish flower pollen extract but the oil is easier to obtain locally.

[RoadWarrior615]

I was reading some online reports of improved erections from flax, primrose, borage and fish oil so decided to try it. I bought a supplement of omega 3 6 9 oil with flax, borage and fish oil combined. I haven't noticed improved erections yet but I did notice it increased my semen volume. I had a similar result from Swedish flower pollen extract but the oil is easier to obtain locally.Get l-arginine a bottle. Works wonders! Had a friend who had a girlfriend and in 10 years never got his girl pregnant not using condoms. He took that and she got pregnant within 2 months, wasn't planned. They almost broke because he didn't think it was his. LOL it gives boners too but gives but cum loads.

[John Dough]

Quoting from:

http://eatsomethingsexy.com/wordpress/aphrodisiac-foods/pineapple/

"Manganese is well known as essential for sexual health, particularly for men. In lab studies, manganese deficiencies caused loss of sex drive and a lack of semen ".

http://www.healthsupplementsnutritionalguide.com/what-causes-grey-hair.html

"Lack of manganese can adversely affect many bio-chemical processes in the body and lead to gray hair".

http://www.prostate.net/prostate-health-supplements-a-z/manganese-health-benefits/

"A deficiency of manganese may lead to impotence, low sex drive, a low sperm count, and thus contribute to infertility. The main sources of dietary manganese are whole grains and whole grain products, such as wheat breads and pastas".

[Mickey7]

So which one is better for increased volume, L-Arginine or Lecithin? They're both readily available at the stores. Does the normal dosage have an effect or do you have to take mega doses? I'm older and just want to increase volume somewhat.

[Head First]

So which one is better for increased volume, L-Arginine or Lecithin? They're both readily available at the stores. Does the normal dosage have an effect or do you have to take mega doses? I'm older and just want to increase volume somewhat.I've been waking up to piss more often than I want to and I remembered a fellow monger, Wirelessone, talking about how he had some success with a supplement called Swedish Flower Pollen. I picked some up and it helped in the beginning but then fell off, so I only went through one bottle. Got it at a local health and vitamin store. But he also mentioned how it helped to increase load volume. I got to agree. I don't have an issue with that but I did notice it increased my ropes 30-40%. In fact once I counted 18 shots! It seemed like it was never going to stop. So I would definitely recommend picking up a bottle. I think it was in the $10 range. What can it hurt?

I've tried L-Argentine too and had good results for stiffer boners but didn't notice anything different in the load volume. YMMV.

[John Dough]

I've been waking up to piss more often than I want to and I remembered a fellow monger, Wirelessone, talking about how he had some success with a supplement called Swedish Flower Pollen. I picked some up and it helped in the beginning but then fell off, so I only went through one bottle. Got it at a local health and vitamin store. But he also mentioned how it helped to increase load volume. I got to agree. I don't have an issue with that but I did notice it increased my ropes 30-40%. In fact once I counted 18 shots! It seemed like it was never going to stop. So I would definitely recommend picking up a bottle.I tried Swedish Flower Pollen Extract. I took two capsules a day. For two weeks there was no change, then suddenly my semen volume increased. My ropes increased from about 6 or 7 up to at least 12. I never got 18. Maybe it depends on how much pollen you take. There was no improvement in my prostate swelling and night time bathroom visits.

I have been researching the prostate issue. I believe it is caused by a build up of estrogen. One time I took Korean red ginseng. It made my prostate swell badly. I could barely squeeze out any urine from my bladder. Supposedly ginseng is estrogenic. The main theory I have found is that estrogen levels gradually build up as men age. This is because the body lacks the necessary raw materials for the cleansing process to remove the estrogen. The item most lacking is the mineral magnesium. For the last few years I have managed to halt the gradual age related worsening of my prostate swelling with magnesium supplements. Recently I have increased my dose and seem to be reducing the swelling and nightly bathroom visits. The trick is to get a supplement that is well absorbed. Magnesium glycinate / lysinate chelate is best. Look for one that says it is fully reacted, not buffered and has the TRAACS logo from Albion Laboratories, such as Doctor's Best High Absorpion magnesium brand. These are best absorbed and cause the least diarrhea, which is the main side effect of magnesium. I was taking about 200 to 300 mg per day but now I'm taking twice that much and getting better results. Before I found these I tried many different types and brands and they all caused so much diarrhea that I couldn't take them.

[littleuma]

So which one is better for increased volume, L-Arginine or Lecithin? They're both readily available at the stores. Does the normal dosage have an effect or do you have to take mega doses? I'm older and just want to increase volume somewhat.Probably Lecithin for the load volume. I tried it and it made somewhat of an increase. I think one of the biggest things for a good load is to stay hydrated.

L-Arginine is good for circulation so it will help on erections. I noticed more urgent morning wood when taking it, and my cock seemed to feel thicker and looked more veiny than usual.

[Head First]

I have been researching the prostate issue. I believe it is caused by a build up of estrogen. One time I took Korean red ginseng. It made my prostate swell badly. I could barely squeeze out any urine from my bladder. Supposedly ginseng is estrogenic. The main theory I have found is that estrogen levels gradually build up as men age. This is because the body lacks the necessary raw materials for the cleansing process to remove the estrogen. The item most lacking is the mineral magnesium. For the last few years I have managed to halt the gradual age related worsening of my prostate swelling with magnesium supplements. Recently I have increased my dose and seem to be reducing the swelling and nightly bathroom visits. The trick is to get a supplement that is well absorbed. Magnesium glycinate / lysinate chelate is best. Look for one that says it is fully reacted, not buffered and has the TRAACS logo from Albion Laboratories, such as Doctor's Best High Absorpion magnesium brand. These are best absorbed and cause the least diarrhea, which is the main side effect of magnesium. I was taking about 200 to 300 mg per day but now I'm taking twice that much and getting better results. Before I found these I tried many different types and brands and they all caused so much diarrhea that I couldn't take them.I'm going to pick up some Magnesium glycinate / lysinate chelate. Just hearing the word estrogen makes me cringe and want to purge as much of it as I can. Hahaha.

[Fe Maiden]

I'm going to pick up some Magnesium glycinate / lysinate chelate. Just hearing the word estrogen makes me cringe and want to purge as much of it as I can. Hahaha.Broccoli and other cruciferous veggies help eliminate estrogen.

[Genghis2]

I tried Swedish Flower Pollen Extract. I took two capsules a day. For two weeks there was no change, then suddenly my semen volume increased. My ropes increased from about 6 or 7 up to at least 12. I never got 18. Maybe it depends on how much pollen you take. There was no improvement in my prostate swelling and night time bathroom visits.

I have been researching the prostate issue. I believe it is caused by a build up of estrogen. One time I took Korean red ginseng. It made my prostate swell badly. I could barely squeeze out any urine from my bladder. Supposedly ginseng is estrogenic. The main theory I have found is that estrogen levels gradually build up as men age. This is because the body lacks the necessary raw materials for the cleansing process to remove the estrogen. The item most lacking is the mineral magnesium. For the last few years I have managed to halt the gradual age related worsening of my prostate swelling with magnesium supplements. Recently I have increased my dose and seem to be reducing the swelling and nightly bathroom visits. The trick is to get a supplement that is well absorbed. Magnesium glycinate / lysinate chelate is best. Look for one that says it is fully reacted, not buffered and has the TRAACS logo from Albion Laboratories, such as Doctor's Best High Absorpion magnesium brand. These are best absorbed and cause the least diarrhea, which is the main side effect of magnesium. I was taking about 200 to 300 mg per day but now I'm taking twice that much and getting better results. Before I found these I tried many different types and brands and they all caused so much diarrhea that I couldn't take them.Nice job on the prostate discussion John. I have found that most any and all of the aforementioned remedies helped me when I was younger. Zinc, Swedish Flower Pollen Etc. I could within a few days definitely notice the difference. Nowadays not so much. Keep up the good research.

G2.

[DarkSideOfMe]

I have been taking all kinds of vitamins,(d3,mag, fish oil, saw palmetto), Put in a little tan helper "see", when needed. Question my cum load is greater now then when I was in my 20's! , for a 60's old monger is this normal? Besides the load, it has a very lite yellow cast to it?? I can recover in a short period of time also??Less then half hour, same volume as the first pop??When I take a half "see"20) it seems to take hours to kick in, no matter what I eat, drink, when I take it, Any help? Drk.

[MwmChicago]

Probably Lecithin for the load volume. I tried it and it made somewhat of an increase. I think one of the biggest things for a good load is to stay hydrated.

L-Arginine is good for circulation so it will help on erections. I noticed more urgent morning wood when taking it, and my cock seemed to feel thicker and looked more veiny than usual.Lecithin works really well fr me. I found my volume to be 3-4 times greater when I take it and it makes the orgasms longer and more intense!

[DarkSideOfMe]

Nice job on the prostate discussion John. I have found that most any and all of the aforementioned remedies helped me when I was younger. Zinc, Swedish Flower Pollen Etc. I could within a few days definitely notice the difference. Nowadays not so much. Keep up the good research.

G2.Get your self a good, I stress (good) providers, who knows how to give a prostate massage, you will feel much better. The prostate provides the acid that go's in first, before your cum load. A good friend of mine a retired DICK Dr. (old time 45 years) , said that a prostate massage once a month is like magic, it will release that build up that is causing all your prostate problems. You also need to" get off "as much as you can, keep the blood, acid, moving, in, out of the prostate. Drk try it.

[Gigabyte40]

http://www.thundersplace.org/male-supplements/celery-celery-supplements-effect-on-erections-2.html

"Celery seeds work for me really well. They give me semi hard-ons all day, larger ejaculation volume and great morning wood. It is incredibly cheap and readily available everywhere".

"I've been taking them for a few days now and I have had better morning wood and farther distance on ejaculation".I found this link to the "Holy Grail of Cum Load" and tried it:

https://www.thundersplace.org/male-supplements/holy-grail-of-cum-load-increase.html

The Cum Holy Grail.

(1) L-Arginine, 1000 mg 1 time daily = 1000 mg.

(2) Zinc, 50 mg 1 time daily = 50 mg.

(3) Pygeum, 100 mg 2 times daily = 200 mg.

(4) Lecithin, 1200 mg 1 time daily = 1200 mg.

Plus I added.

(5) Celery Seed 500 mg, 2 times daily = 1000 mg.

And YES this combo seems to work. After one week on the Cum Holy Grail, I unloaded a masterpiece on my girl's back the other night. It was impressive and satisfying. I'm over 50 and I don't think I've cum like that since I was 20.

Give it a try.

GB40.

[Oldmonger]

I have been taking all kinds of vitamins,(d3,mag, fish oil, saw palmetto), Put in a little tan helper "see", when needed. Question my cum load is greater now then when I was in my 20's! , for a 60's old monger is this normal? Besides the load, it has a very lite yellow cast to it?? I can recover in a short period of time also??Less then half hour, same volume as the first pop??When I take a half "see"20) it seems to take hours to kick in, no matter what I eat, drink, when I take it, Any help? Drk.DarkSideOfMe,

Given your success, you should be giving advice vs. asking for it. Most of us would mortgage the house if we could increase payload and shorten recovery time.

Based on discussions with more than a dozen guys, it appears C takes longer than V and L, to take full effect. If you take the C a few hours (vs. 30 minutes) before the activity, on an empty stomach, you may get better results. YMMV.

Not sure if I answered your question.

OM.

[Gigabyte40]

I found this link to the "Holy Grail of Cum Load" and tried it:

https://www.thundersplace.org/male-supplements/holy-grail-of-cum-load-increase.html

The Cum Holy Grail.

(1) L-Arginine, 1000 mg 1 time daily = 1000 mg.

(2) Zinc, 50 mg 1 time daily = 50 mg.

(3) Pygeum, 100 mg 2 times daily = 200 mg.

(4) Lecithin, 1200 mg 1 time daily = 1200 mg.

Plus I added.

(5) Celery Seed 500 mg, 2 times daily = 1000 mg.

And YES this combo seems to work. After one week on the Cum Holy Grail, I unloaded a masterpiece on my girl's back the other night. It was impressive and satisfying. I'm over 50 and I don't think I've cum like that since I was 20.

Give it a try.

GB40.I continue to be amazed by this combination (The Holy Grail of Cum Load) - supplements listed above. I recently shot a HUGE load down a girls throat and it choked her pretty good. She couldn't believe I came so much. It was quite satisfying, Try it.

GB40.

[VB012]

I continue to be amazed by this combination (The Holy Grail of Cum Load) - supplements listed above. I recently shot a HUGE load down a girls throat and it choked her pretty good. She couldn't believe I came so much. It was quite satisfying, Try it.

GB40.You might want to try l-citrulline in place of arginine. L-arginine is broken down very quickly by the liver when taken orally so not much of it survives to circulate in the bloodstream. L-citrulline survives the digestive process and is converted to L-arginine in the Kidneys which release it directly to the bloodstream thus increasing serum levels much more than taking L-arginine directly.

[Oldmonger]

You might want to try l-citrulline in place of arginine. L-arginine is broken down very quickly by the liver when taken orally so not much of it survives to circulate in the bloodstream. L-citrulline survives the digestive process and is converted to L-arginine in the Kidneys which release it directly to the bloodstream thus increasing serum levels much more than taking L-arginine directly.I take l-citrulline vs l-arginine for the reasons you stated.

L-citrulline might contribute indirectly to a bigger payload, but unlike lecithin, I'm not aware of a direct connection.

[John Dough]

I found this article which offers some techniques to reduce the refractory period:

http://bignaturaltesticles.com/how-to-ejaculate-more-than-once/


That waiting period between one climax and another is called your refractory period. studies have demonstrated that prolactin and oxytocin play a big part in this because both of these hormones increase dramatically after you ejaculate. your sex drive is going to go down. Theyre also responsible for the fatigue you feel after you have an orgasm.

In one study done at Rutgers University, they had a subject who was able to climax 6 times in a period of 36 minutes. This man actually had no refractory period at all. Testing confirmed that this individual had close to a zero prolactin response after climaxing, and because of this he suffered from no fatigue or tiredness after he ejaculated.

to reduce your refractory period, the first thing you need to do is bump your testosterone levels up a notch or two. In addition to this, you need to focus on reducing your prolactin and oxytocin response when your goal is to ejaculate more than once during a sexual encounter. You can accomplish this by reducing post orgasm cuddle time, because this behavior will spike both of these hormones in your body.

As a matter of fact, oxytocin is often referred to as the pair bonding hormone, so the more you bond after sex, the more oxytocin youre going to get. And finally, you can spike testosterone and reduce the bonding hormones even further by being dominant and aggressive during the sex act..

Because dominant and aggressive behavior is the exact opposite of behavior associated with pair bonding, and your body will respond to this accordingly. The explains why its always a good idea to jump out of bed quickly after having sex in the morning, because if you pair bond after you climax, youre going to be tired the rest of the day.For a more medicinal approach there is some good information here:

http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/multiple-sex-sessions-a-night-6056619


There are ways to reduce prolactin and be ready to go again within 5-10 minutes. I know from personal experience... as I am 39 years old and can outperform most teenagers.

This is easily combated by the Rx Cabergoline/Dostinex/Cabaser or Pramipexole. It does take some time (week or two) to elevate blood levels of Cabergoline so that you can fu*k like a teenager (or likely better ;-)) While on Cabergoline, my refractory period is approximately 5 minutes or less. Sometimes, I don't even want to pull out; just go for it all over again.

Usually people report that half a tab every 4 days is enough to cause the desired increase in sex drive and libido. However, some prefer a full tab every 4 days. One bottle of Dostinex contains 8 tabs. If you take 1 tab every 4 days, it will last you about a month. If you decide to use just half a tab each time, it will last about two months.

Dostinex is very different from Viagra. Viagra is a medication specifically for erectile dysfunction. Viagra will do absolutely nothing for other essential aspects of good sexual function such as libido (sex drive, arousal & excitement), orgasm and ejaculation. Dostinex does everything that Viagra doesn't do. Dostinex improves libido, orgasm and ejaculation. Dostinex is a new drug from the dopaminergic family of drugs that decreases the hormone prolactin.

Vitamin B-6 in its pure form (called p5p) helps reduce prolactin as well. B6 does help as does the herb mucuna pruriens (which is more effective). However, nothing is as potent as cabergoline. As far as lasting side effects are concerned, I have zero and none were shown in clinical trials. It has been used in parkinson's patients for years. The combo of cabergoline and PT-141 is great and very effective. The great thing about mucuna pruriens is that it also boosts dopamine in the brain and reduces SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) which binds/cleaves to testosterone rendering it inactive. Most testosterone is bound by SHBG or is converted by aromatase into estrogen, DHT, etc. Free testosterone is what you are after. Stinging nettle root is also a potent SHBG binding herb. Mucuna pruriens is the herbal equivalent of cabergoline.

[BillyBubba]

I found this link to the "Holy Grail of Cum Load" and tried it:

https://www.thundersplace.org/male-supplements/holy-grail-of-cum-load-increase.html

The Cum Holy Grail.

(1) L-Arginine, 1000 mg 1 time daily = 1000 mg.

(2) Zinc, 50 mg 1 time daily = 50 mg.

(3) Pygeum, 100 mg 2 times daily = 200 mg.

(4) Lecithin, 1200 mg 1 time daily = 1200 mg.

Plus I added.

(5) Celery Seed 500 mg, 2 times daily = 1000 mg.

And YES this combo seems to work. After one week on the Cum Holy Grail, I unloaded a masterpiece on my girl's back the other night. It was impressive and satisfying. I'm over 50 and I don't think I've cum like that since I was 20.

Give it a try.

GB40.This stuff really works!

I start taking a similar combination about 3 or so days before my planned activity, abstain the night before, and my loads are now about 3-4 times larger than before.

I can also go again within the hour and pop of a load that's still a little bit larger than before.

I'd also like to add that Saw Palmetto, B12 and L-Arginine will definitely help with getting it up and keeping it up.

For me it doesn't replace Viagra but it definitely helps and makes the Viagra work better.

[AllNuts]

I think all the below works great (I haven't tried Pygeum). I would also like to add Swedish Flower Pollen. Taking that with Zinc and L-Citrulline I would blow big loads (5-6 good 6"+ ropes) but you do have to keep up the regiment or you revert back to normal. I would also like to add Tongkat Ali and Butea Superba as I do think they also contribute to the intensity of the orgasm. I still haven't tried Shilajit yet as it's suppose to restore that "lost vigor" LOL. The last 3 supplements probably belong more in the "Performance Enhancers thread" but I wanted to mention them in this context.


I found this link to the "Holy Grail of Cum Load" and tried it:

https://www.thundersplace.org/male-supplements/holy-grail-of-cum-load-increase.html

The Cum Holy Grail.

(1) L-Arginine, 1000 mg 1 time daily = 1000 mg.

(2) Zinc, 50 mg 1 time daily = 50 mg.

(3) Pygeum, 100 mg 2 times daily = 200 mg.

(4) Lecithin, 1200 mg 1 time daily = 1200 mg.

Plus I added.

(5) Celery Seed 500 mg, 2 times daily = 1000 mg.

And YES this combo seems to work. After one week on the Cum Holy Grail, I unloaded a masterpiece on my girl's back the other night. It was impressive and satisfying. I'm over 50 and I don't think I've cum like that since I was 20.

Give it a try.

GB40.


This stuff really works!

I start taking a similar combination about 3 or so days before my planned activity, abstain the night before, and my loads are now about 3-4 times larger than before.

I can also go again within the hour and pop of a load that's still a little bit larger than before.

I'd also like to add that Saw Palmetto, B12 and L-Arginine will definitely help with getting it up and keeping it up.

For me it doesn't replace Viagra but it definitely helps and makes the Viagra work better.

[SimonPieMan]

I found this link to the "Holy Grail of Cum Load" and tried it:

https://www.thundersplace.org/male-supplements/holy-grail-of-cum-load-increase.html

The Cum Holy Grail.

(1) L-Arginine, 1000 mg 1 time daily = 1000 mg.

(2) Zinc, 50 mg 1 time daily = 50 mg.

(3) Pygeum, 100 mg 2 times daily = 200 mg.

(4) Lecithin, 1200 mg 1 time daily = 1200 mg.

Plus I added.

(5) Celery Seed 500 mg, 2 times daily = 1000 mg.

And YES this combo seems to work. After one week on the Cum Holy Grail, I unloaded a masterpiece on my girl's back the other night. It was impressive and satisfying. I'm over 50 and I don't think I've cum like that since I was 20.

Give it a try.

GB40.Thanks for the info GB. I've been trying this combo but w / o the Pygeum. It appears to work really well.

SP.

[John Dough]

I'm going to pick up some Magnesium glycinate / lysinate chelate. Just hearing the word estrogen makes me cringe and want to purge as much of it as I can. Hahaha.I still believe prostate swelling is caused by estrogen build-up in the body, but I'm not having sufficient results from magnesium supplements. I'm going on a grain-free diet to see if that helps.

http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/08/the-dolly-parton-effect/


A direct hormonal effectExorphins that are derived from the gliadin protein of wheat (specifically the B5 pentapeptide) stimulate pituitary release of the hormone, prolactin. Pro = promotes; lactin = lactation, or breast milk production. The B5 wheat exorphin doubles blood prolactin levels in experimental models (Fanciulli 2003). Increased prolactin levels then cascade, via a pituitary effect, to cause reduced production of testosterone by the testicles (hypogonadism), as well as erectile dysfunction.

An indirect hormonal effectThe visceral fat (deep abdominal fat) of a wheat bellyyeah, that unsightly protuberance that hangs over the belt in boys, teenagers, young males, mature adults, and elderly men, since it spares no oneproduces large quantities of the enzyme, aromatase, that in turn converts androgens (male hormones), androstenedione and testosterone, to estrogen (Williams 2012). This occurs in breast tissue as well as other tissues.

So men with man boobs have higher levels of estrogen and prolactin and lower levels of testosterone, a hormonal mess that stimulates growth of breast tissue. Given this incredible collection of breast tissue-stimulating properties, you might say that modern wheat is a perfect breast growth stimulating food.

[Mickey7]

I've had to give up on Lecithin due to on and off diarrhea. I went through 2/250 count bottles without any problems but this latest bottle gave me problems. I buy it at CVS. I did some online research and saw that this is a common side effect. I also looked up "how to increase semen volume" and several sites listed drinking enough water as an answer, like 3 liters a day. So I'm trying that. I really don't have a way to measure it without having the who're squeeze it out of her cun't into some kind of receptacle.

[Gigabyte40]

I found this article which offers some techniques to reduce the refractory period:

http://bignaturaltesticles.com/how-to-ejaculate-more-than-once/

For a more medicinal approach there is some good information here:

http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/multiple-sex-sessions-a-night-6056619I followed the advice in those two articles about prolactin levels and cabergoline. Here's what happened: Abbreviated version.

Went to doc #1. Said I have trouble coming. Anorgasmia. He says its a side effect of SSRI Celexa 20 mg. He's right. Reduce Celexa to 10 mg see if that helps.Asked him if my prolactin level could be a factor. Would cabergoline / dostinex help? He said never heard that, and no, I'm not going to mess with your prolactin levels.

Doc #2. My endocrinologist. Tested prolactin level, says it's normal. I asked if she's heard of cabergoline and it's effect on multiple ejaculations or reduced refractory period. She says no never heard of that. No need for cabergoline. End of story.

So I see that you can't just go online and diagnose yourself on the internet. Try telling your doctor what you read online vs. What he learned in medical school. It doesn't matter what you read online.

I might TRY a little cabergoline that I can purchase from ADC without prescription. But I'm really afraid to mess with something that both of my doctors have dismissed as unknown or unnecessary.

Comments? Suggestions?

GB40.

[John Dough]

I've had to give up on Lecithin due to on and off diarrhea. I went through 2/250 count bottles without any problems but this latest bottle gave me problems. I buy it at CVS. I did some online research and saw that this is a common side effect. I also looked up "how to increase semen volume" and several sites listed drinking enough water as an answer, like 3 liters a day. So I'm trying that. I really don't have a way to measure it without having the who're squeeze it out of her cun't into some kind of receptacle.Lecithin gave me diarrhea also. I had good success using Swedish Flower Pollen extract for increasing semen volume without side effects. I took two capsules a day and after two weeks my loads were bigger. The number of contractions (ropes) on orgasm were doubled.

[John Dough]

I followed the advice in those two articles about prolactin levels and cabergoline. Here's what happened: Abbreviated version.

Went to doc #1. Said I have trouble coming. Anorgasmia. He says its a side effect of SSRI Celexa 20 mg. He's right. Reduce Celexa to 10 mg see if that helps.Asked him if my prolactin level could be a factor. Would cabergoline / dostinex help? He said never heard that, and no, I'm not going to mess with your prolactin levels.

Doc #2. My endocrinologist. Tested prolactin level, says it's normal. I asked if she's heard of cabergoline and it's effect on multiple ejaculations or reduced refractory period. She says no never heard of that. No need for cabergoline. End of story.

So I see that you can't just go online and diagnose yourself on the internet. Try telling your doctor what you read online vs. What he learned in medical school. It doesn't matter what you read online.

I might TRY a little cabergoline that I can purchase from ADC without prescription. But I'm really afraid to mess with something that both of my doctors have dismissed as unknown or unnecessary.

Comments? Suggestions?

GB40.You are correct that cabergoline is something to be very careful about taking. Of the information in those articles the one I like the best is jumping out of bed after sex instead of cuddling. The next safest item is vitamin B6, then the herb mucuna pruriens. I have also heard that the herb Tongkat Ali (long jack) reduces prolacatin and increases dopamine. I tried it and it made me nauseated so I stopped taking it. Others seem to like it. Nausea is also a side effect of cabergoline.

[Monger543]

Bought some 25 mg awhile back on ADC. Heard that it increases libido and shortens recharge time. Tried it by take one every other day. It seemed to work, but I also noticed that it made me angrier. I snapped one time that looking back afterward, scared me. I didn't want anything that would tip me over the edge with all the shit already going on. So I stopped take it and seems to be back to normal now. Also, I read that one of the side effect is hardening of the heart muscle. So yeah be very careful.


You are correct that cabergoline is something to be very careful about taking. Of the information in those articles the one I like the best is jumping out of bed after sex instead of cuddling. The next safest item is vitamin B6, then the herb mucuna pruriens. I have also heard that the herb Tongkat Ali (long jack) reduces prolacatin and increases dopamine. I tried it and it made me nauseated so I stopped taking it. Others seem to like it. Nausea is also a side effect of cabergoline.

[Gigabyte40]

Bought some 25 mg awhile back on ADC. Heard that it increases libido and shortens recharge time. Tried it by take one every other day. It seemed to work, but I also noticed that it made me angrier. I snapped one time that looking back afterward, scared me. I didn't want anything that would tip me over the edge with all the shit already going on. So I stopped take it and seems to be back to normal now. Also, I read that one of the side effect is hardening of the heart muscle. So yeah be very careful.I read the same thing about cabergoline. It reduces prolactin levels. Prolactin is a hormone released after you cum and it's responsible for refractory period in males (recharge time). Prolactin also makes women lactate and this drug can be used to stop unwanted lactation.

I actually had my prolactin level tested by the doc (Blood test) and my reading was normal. (Mine 10.1 - normal range is 2. 64-13.13 NG / ML).

I ordered. 25 mg Cabergoline from ADC and took. 25 mg every 4 days. After 2 weeks there is no noticeable improvement in libido or recharge time. Most likely because my prolactin level is not high and there's really no benefit in trying to lower it.

Oh well. I've been a little snappy lately too. I'll see if stopping the cabergoline helps.

Thanks for the info.

GB40.

[John Dough]

Prostate stimulation might increase cum load.




https://www.thundersplace.org/male-supplements/holy-grail-of-cum-load-increase-48.html

Try using an Aneros while cumming, the intensity is almost overwhelming plus the volume is greatly increased..






https://super-o-blog.com/2016/04/23/anyone-use-their-aneros-during-sex/

anyone use their aneros during sex?

It works fantastic. The motion of pumping in and out moves the Aneros (Ive got the Helix Syn) around in a way that massages the prostate amazingly. Always cum like a madman.

[AllNuts]

I ordered a whole bunch of those toys. I tried 20+ times to like them, crappie (literally LOL) and gay as fuck and didn't do a thing. I guess to each there own LOL.


Prostate stimulation might increase cum load.

[Cephlapod Love]

I ordered a whole bunch of those toys. I tried 20+ times to like them, crappie (literally LOL) and gay as fuck and didn't do a thing. I guess to each there own LOL.Me thinks perhaps the suggested method is when you're inside a hot girl SHE stimulates your prostate? LOL!

[AllNuts]

Really wish that did it for me, be there, done that a whole bunch of times, nope LOL.


Me thinks perhaps the suggested method is when you're inside a hot girl SHE stimulates your prostate? LOL!

[Sharpy]

Zinc supplementation may help as zinc is required for sperm production, however, you may only see a difference if your diet lacks zinc to begin with.

[Gigabyte40]

A friend of mine says that men who use meth (crystal Methamphetamine) have bigger multiple loads when they're on meth. It's such a stimulant that it even stimulates cum production.

Is that possible?

I've never used meth and don't plan to start. But I thought this was an interesting report. If there's any truth to it.

GB40.

[OffRoadDriver]

I've recently started taking 1000 mg of L-Arginine and so far I've noticed that I get noticeable precum now. Just an interesting experiment as I've never had much before.

[JerSeinfeld]

Stay hydrated, maybe some electrolyte with that recover ors stuff and you should make lots. And try not to jack off all the time.

[John Dough]

Prolactin is a hormone released after you cum and it's responsible for refractory period in males (recharge time).

I ordered. 25 mg Cabergoline from ADC and took. 25 mg every 4 days. After 2 weeks there is no noticeable improvement in libido or recharge time. Most likely because my prolactin level is not high and there's really no benefit in trying to lower it.
For those whose prolactin level is high, vitamin E might help.


https://morningsteel.com/vitamin-e-for-erectile-dysfunction/

One study found that over 8 weeks, a daily dose of 300mg of vitamin E reduced prolactin levels by 69 percent against the control - a truly mammoth decrease.If it doesn't help with that, it might lower estrogen.


Estrogen makes it harder to get nitric oxide into cells. Vitamin E is uniquely suited to lower estrogen levels because it doesnt just reduce the estrogen already in your system, but it actually works to inhibit your bodys ability to produce it by reducing aromatase expression.

Vitamin E also acts as an estrogen receptor antagonist, meaning that it blocks the reception of estrogen in your body, further hindering it from acting on your cells.

Make sure you use an E supplement where the soy residues have been extracted out. To get a vitamin E product that will actually work, you want to look for one containing at least a mix of the alpha, beta, delta, and gamma tocopherols with added tocotrienols if possible.