Massages [Archive] - USASexGuide

USTraveller

01-13-04, 21:59

Here's are some tips and etiquette for you AMP/Spa Visitors looking for extras or for first time visitors. I'm one who prefers the AMPs to the other options because they seem to provide a safe and relaxing environment. I wanted to share some general information in a number of sections and decided to do it here instead as more people are likely to view it and add on. I hope this can help any newbies to AMPs or jog the memory of AMP experts to dish out some tips of their own.

1) Become a Repeat Customer - This seems to be the number one factor. The providers want to make sure you are "not a cop" and once they are comfortable that you aren't, they will more than likely provide extras.

2) Fake Being a Repeat Customer - If you haven't been to a particular place before, act like you have been. Get information about them in the forums for the cities you plan on visiting, or your home town. Find out the going rates for HJ, BJ, FS etc. and have the money handy. Even a little comment during the Table Shower or Sauna such as "this is my favorite part" or something along those lines will make them think you were there before.

3) Get a Business Card - Some AMPs have business cards so you can ask for one on your way out. I have the girls write their name on them so I didn't forget and I could "ask" for them when I go back. Even if they weren't there on my visit, it showed the new provider or mama-san that I was there before.

4) Leave Valuables and Extra Money Outside - Only take in what you need. Some places may want to see your ID. You will need money or a Credit Card to pay. I usually take my cell-phone, keys, and only enough money to pay for what I want. If you don't know what the charge will be, put money in different pockets or hide it in your wallet (behind a photo or something) so they don't see all your money at once. I had one girl looking in my wallet after I told her I was used to paying $100 for FS and she wanted $150. Luckily, I had already "moved" the extra money somewhere else.

5) Get Fully Undressed - Yes, you will be naked. In my experience, the girl takes your door fee, leaves for a minute or more. Sometimes she will ask you to get undressed, sometimes she won't, sometimes she will and you won't understand a word she said. So use this time to take ALL of your clothes off. My first time, I was standing in my underwear and she told me to take those off too. I felt as if she knew it was my first time. So get naked and if the towel slides off, let it. It will show her that you have done this before.

6) Use Provided "Purse" - Many times, you will see a little purse or bag that is there for you to put valuables in. Use it to put your "valuables" in and carry that with you to other areas of the spa. You may go to a sauna, hot-tub, shower, or table-shower. Since you won't have pockets, look for the little bag and carry it with you. If they don't have one, you can ask for one. In some places, you may just stay in the room you were brought into the entire time (no shower). In this case, you will be able to keep an eye on your things. If you are leaving the room and are worried, look for something to carry your valuables in. NOTE: Having your things in the little bag is a neat clue to the girl that you have done this before.

7) Shower Etiquette - Some places offer a shower where you go in yourself and wash. If they don't offer, ask if there is one. Some places take you to a table-shower where they put you on a table and wash you. Some places, the girl will wash everything including your genitals. This is a good thing. Some places may ask you to wash your own genitals and I would advise you to do so if you want them to do anything later. It is not generally appropriate to ask for extras at this time.

8) Enjoy the Massage - It's part of the experience, and the girls usually give you a pretty good massage. If you have a stiff neck, sore legs, or something else, let her know so she can concentrate on those areas. You usually start out on your stomach and she rubs your back, legs, arms, etc. She may brush against you with her crotch, lift up her skirt and sit on your butt, and lean over brushing her body against you. Different places vary as far as touching her, but light brushing on her leg or arm aren't too intrusive and will generally let her know you are looking for extras. This isn't necessary and I usually don't "touch" her until later.

9) Become Aroused - Usually, the girl will try to get you aroused. She'll lighten up the touch a little around your buttocks and brush your skin gently. Shift yourself if you do become aroused to "let her know" that you need room to grow. If you aren't getting aroused, shift yourself anyway to "fake" getting aroused. This will let her know that your johnson is growing and you are getting ready. She may even reach underneath and lend a helping hand if you are lucky.

10) Wait to Flip Over - At some point, she'll ask you to flip over. When she does, simply flip over onto your back. You may or may not be aroused at this point. Either way, she'll know and she'll do everything she legally knows how to make sure you get aroused. This is a time to smile and enjoy her expertise.

11) The Tip - The girl will usually ask if there is anything else she can do for you or if you are "OK". This is where you say what you want (HJ, BJ, FS) or make the HJ, BJ, FS "motions". She'll either say how much or just ask you for money. This is where knowing the going rate is handy. It's usually $40-$60 for HJ, $80-$100 for BJ, and $100-$140 for FS. Keep in mind that you can always negotiate and it may vary depending on where in the USA, or world, you are. She may leave for a minute or two or she may just start right there. It sucks if she leaves and a million thoughts run through your head.

12) The Fun Part - When she returns (or starts), it's generally acceptable that you can touch her. She may or may not like you to and you have to respect her individual level of comfort. I've had girls get completely naked, sit between my legs, and give me a HJ as well as one that stands there fully clothed doing it. I can't predict what will happen but this will affect your decision to return or not return. If you are getting BJ or FS, she will most likely provide and put on the condom (which I recommend) and she'll start. Again, if you want to be on top, do it doggie-style, or want her on top, they are generally open to how you want to do it.

13) Variations - If you are into DATY or other things, be up front with it. I've done DATY on a number of girls and some get into it and some don't. Some enjoy when you touch and finger them and some don't. Some will let you massage them and some won't. I've never looked for Anal so I can't give advice on that. Some places will only give HJ. So be aware and look for advice in your local forums.

14) Happy Ending - After the ending, she'll usually clean you up or get rid of the condom if there was one used. Sometimes, a hot towel, a beverage, and even mouthwash are provided. If you paid for an hour and you finish early, you may or may not get the full time limit. Some girls will continue the massage, some will tell you to get dressed. This is another area where different places differ greatly.

15) Post Your Experience - If you go and get good service, tell us all about it. We don't need every detail but the basics like name of the place, door fee, tip, and included extras. If you get ripped off at a place, tell us that too and we'll appreciate you "taking one for the team".

16) Be Polite - I use this motto in life, but the providers are people just like you and me, and they like being treated with respect. During the massage, try giving out a compliment such as "that feels nice" or "your hands are so soft" instead of something like "you have nice tits" or "I can't wait to f**k you". I find that being nice goes a lot farther than acting like an ass. Talk to them like you'd talk to a new friend.

Disclaimer: This is just based on my experience in AMPs in a few cities. I don't claim to be an expert. Feel free to add on your own tips and direct others from the forums you post in to this section. Next time someone asks "any advice for visiting an AMP for the first time", you can point them here and hopefully others will share their tips and advice. I'm always looking for new tips too.

Catfish

01-13-04, 22:46

Nice post traveler. I'm in San Diego and my general experience pretty much jives with what you described. My own timid nature makes it difficult for me to get to the extras sometimes, but a provider who saw I was struggling suggested that I remove the towel to indicate I wanted more. She had me put her hand on my johnson and said that practice should work most times. Of course, I have gone to a few where the opportunity for extras simply did not arise. I received no signals or body language from the provider and hence resigned myself to enjoy the massage and nothing more. Also, regarding the towel, I strip down and lay on my stomach without the towel while waiting for the massuse. Sometimes if they start to put the towel I'll tell them that it's ok they don't have to. If she does not put the towel that's pretty much a shoe-in for extras. I've also read or heard that any place that has the neon "Oriental Massage" sign is good for more.

Joe Zop

01-13-04, 23:29

Nice post, USTraveller. I'd simply add that I've had success in getting extras not only by faking being there before but by saying it's my first time at that particular spa, but that I've been at others.

This can be a useful approach if you're from out of town.

Worf1972

01-14-04, 04:43

US traveller,

Excellent pointers on AMP I will forward this information with your blessings.

Thanks

Sun Devil

01-14-04, 08:09

Great post USTraveller. Through some trials and errors, I have used some of your techniques to get full service at places I have never been to. I think the key to getting this is to act confidently as if getting full service is part of the menu. Also it makes you appear that you have been to that place before.

When I went to D.C. once, I had asked the therapist about the price for full service at Ginsa. The girl said that I should know this because I had already been there before. Suffice to say, my attitude helped in this manner. In addition, I try to build rapport between the therapist and myself so that she feels comfortable with me and that I am not law enforcement.

Mighty Spearsman

01-14-04, 14:12

Great post USTraveller. I have written a similar list for both the CT and DC boards but not as comprehensive as your post.

IMHO, some points to re-emphasize are:

Get completely naked ASAP, even if the 65 year old mamasan hasn't left the room yet. That way they'll know that you're not LE. I've been told this by both AMP and non-AMP employees and owners.

Read WSG ahead of time to learn as much as possible about the place you'll be patronizing, including prices, services available, etc. One great trick is to read and discover which girl gave great service but is no longer working there, then ask for that girl by name when you show up. There's no way you can be called a liar on this since the girl is now gone, and the mamasan and everyone else will assume that you must be a repeat customer.

Go for a full hour or at least 45 minutes, not 30 minutes. Table showers performed by the girl are one of my favorite parts of any AMP, but some AMPs will only do them for 45-minute and 1-hour customers, and will tell the 30-minute customer to take the shower himself.

Flashman

01-14-04, 15:22

US Travellor

From one experienced "AMPIST" to another,

Very good post.

I will refer newbies to it when they ask. Saves us all a lot of typing!

Everything you said is right on the money and I cannot disagree with any of your comments.

Since we all know that YMMV applies to these places, the important thing is for fellow mongers to post good and bad reviews with names.

Country John

01-14-04, 16:34

If there was a forum "just for newbies," then I would say that the US Travellor post would be an excellent first post. Similar to the O'Toole post in the Mexico section. Excellent data well written.

Be Safe and BE NICE
Country John

Kool Klyde

01-22-04, 23:27

Lot of good info here. Something I have found that helps is when you pay for the massage (usually back in the room) know how much it is and have any discount ads/cupons or bussiness cards ready in the center of the money. I also carry a condom there and let it be seen when I pay for the massage. Has worked well the before as she asked "You bring condom with you yes?"

Merlin Magician

01-25-04, 13:28

One good technique I use in a strange (strange like I never been there, not WIERD) parlor is to get naked and don't let that little towel they give you touch your ass. If she keeps putting the towel on you, keep throwing it off.

Of course, once they leave the towel off then you can say that you always get "full body" massage. Also, you can ask about topless, etc. These are key words. When you turn over and Mr. Johnson is waking up, all should be in order.

I just love it when I go to AMP's and the Asian lady sees my big ol' boner and always says invariably, "Somebody is coming 'arrive'!" or "Some 'ting is waking up!"

Also, if you go to an AMP, ALWAYS ask about a prostate massage. Once you get one, you are bespoiled for life, I guarantee it.

(One thing I have found is that there are not many white massage ladies who will do prostate work. I don't know why; it must be the cultural.)

OldMassageGuy

02-16-04, 18:30

This forum is full of great pointers, and wish I had known about when I first ventured out to the amps. I think the most important part is to act relaxed and friendly when you in. When the mamasan answers the door smile and ask how she has been and give her a hug like she is a long last friend. They usually take your hand and give it a little squeeze as you walk back to your room. Always say you have been there before and I always say I cannot remember her name but say and show she was short with big boobs. They usually buy off and are happy. Everybody is right when it pays to know what the going rate at the place is. There are a couple places that know me and the mamasan lets me pick out my girl and other places usually just send one down. I normally do not carry my wallet into these places and put money in two different pockets and just make a gut feel of how much to pull out when the girl comes into the room. I don't like to have to negotiate during the session, so depending on the girl and the mood, just take the money out my pocket and put in on the little table. It has always worked and I have never been short changed by putting down fs and getting only hj or bj. Then just let the session run its course. I really like the shower part, especially if she is really good at that part. Just read a local thread about a amp where the girl gets naked in the shower and lets you wash her. Needless to say, I am heading there next.

Fluff

03-15-04, 12:44

I've always heard about prostate massages, but I never had the experience, until recently I think. I've been to plenty of MPs, usally AMPs, who lightly massage the anal area, and I thought that was what it was all about. Then I was visiting one of my usual AMPs in Boston, and she went much further this time. While I was still on my stomach, and she had reached under me to massage my tool, she massaged my anus, and then put her finger in it, lightly at first, but then deeper. It was a strange yet incredible sensation, somewhat hurtful but stimulating at the same time. In short order, I exploded like I've never exploded before. My question - is this what a prostate massage is supposed to be like? I'd appreciate feedback on this. Thanks.

Boxcc

03-23-04, 10:02

Might Spearsman, I agree with you about springing for the full hour. Usually, it puts them more at ease because you are willing to spend more money. You are right about the shower too. If you are going for the full hour, they are more often than not more playful in the shower room with you.

One question though, how many times has the mamasan or girl asked you to shower by yourself? I have never been left alone in the shower and I always assumed that it was because the girl wanted to make sure that you were clean in all the right places for her hygiene. Granted, if I only paid for a half hour, the shower experience was very rushed. I was only in there long enough to have my dick washed! But, the only time I've been left alone was in the Sauna waiting for a girl to get free to massage me. Just curious.

And, no, I'm not questioning the truth of anything you post. I can see that you are a very senior member with a lot of posts, so your word is golden. I've just never been left alone to shower before and wanted to be prepared for it if it happens. Especially if it happens a lot. Thanks, Box

Mighty Spearsman

03-23-04, 11:48

Dear Boxcc:

First, there is a HJ-only AMP, the New Seoul Spa in Vernon, Connecticut that I've been going to occasionally for over 10 years that does not provide table showers - you just take a shower by yourself. I always make sure that the important parts are washed thoroughly and clean. However, since it is definitely a HJ-only place, cleanliness is not that much of an issue. The main reason that I go here is when my back hurts and I need a good massage, but my funds are low ($50 house fee for an hour plus $30 or $40 for the girl).

If my funds are higher, I always go for a full-service AMP such as Hong Kong or Magic in Waterbury, CT.

For all other AMPs (other than the New Seoul), I have always received a table shower with the wash-up done by the girl, with the exception of one AMP in Waterbury, CT where I paid for only half an hour and was told that I should shower by myself. The girl told me that their policy was to not give a table shower unless the guy paid for at least 45 minutes. Since that time, I've always gone for an hour whenever I go to an AMP (some AMPs have a 45-minute option, but many do not).

I'm not sure how many AMPs follow that same policy of no table shower for 30 minute-customers, but it is something to think about. My main reason for recommending that mongers pay for 45 minutes or an hour is to avoid being rushed. I've been going to AMPs since 1989 and have noticed a distinct difference in the way the girl acts for a 30 minute session versus the longer session. Since the cost difference is usually small ($20 or even only $10), I now always go for the longer session.

HappyGardener

03-23-04, 13:21

http://members.lycos.co.uk/ampdude/newpage.html

This is an excellant guide on how to behave in AMP. I have posted it several times on the Iliinois board for all newbie questions. i don't think it is competition, Jackson, but rather a referral.

Boxcc

03-24-04, 09:52

Mighty Spearsman,

Thank you for your response. I have only been to AMPs in GA, SC, NC, and PA. So, I did not know about the shower yourself routine. Thanks for the info, it is most appreciated.

Also, I agree totally about springing for the full hour. The more money that the AMP thinks you are willing to spend, the better they treat you. If you only pay for the half hour, they do try to rush you because they think either you are cheap, or you don't have a lot of money. They are not going to waste a lot of effort on you if they think there is no monetary reward coming for their time. However, if you do pay for the hour, they see you as a potentially big 'tipper', so they go all out to try to separate you from your money, which can be most enjoyable!

One more thing for any newbies out there. It is very, very important that these providers feel comfortable with you. You have to act as relaxed as possible, which means you have to act like you have done this all before. If the AMP gets nervous about you, or thinks you haven't been there before, you will not get what you went there looking for. You probably won't even get a HJ. Stay relaxed, be nice and treat them with respect. Try to bond with them if you can. Talk, joke or laugh as much as possible. Let them feel comfortable, that is, if they speak good English. If they don't speak English very well, just be very gentle, don't move too quickly and never, never talk about money for sex! Just give them a tip and see what happens. If you tipped enough, then you will get what you want. If not, you just blew some money. But, if you RTFF, you should have a good idea of how much everything costs in your area. Good Luck!

Catfish

03-24-04, 12:21

Great pointer on the hour session. I sometimes tend to be a quick shooter. Has anyone ever negotiated for a two-pop in an hour session? That would certainly warrant a nice tip.

HappyGardener

03-25-04, 11:25

We had this discussion on the Chicago board a couple of years ago. I think the consesous was, you would be hard-pressed to get a second shot. Some suggested cleaning the pipes before hand so that you were a little slower on the draw. Although I would tend to agree with you, once that well oiled hand touchs me, I tend to go pretting quickl

There was a spa in the Chicago area where the girls were doing their handy work in the shower, which raised the possibility of more later on. But I think we all realized it was so they could clean up eaiser and not deal with clothing issues in the room.

Boxcc

03-25-04, 11:37

Catfish, if you want to pop twice, you usually have to pay twice, or at least pay more. I had that problem too when I first started visiting AMPs. I would get so excited that I would only get a couple strokes before I blew my wad. What I did was I started to jerk off before I went. When I did that, I lasted longer and had a better time with the provider. Soon, I didn't have to do that any more. I became more relaxed with every visit and was able to overcome my nervousness and anxiety that was causing my 'problem.'

Mighty Spearsman

03-25-04, 11:53

Dear Catfish:

Both Boxcc and HappyGardener make some good comments.

Over the years, there have been a few occasions where I have had two shots during a 1-hour session at an AMP in Connecticut. In every case, it was with a girl who I had been more than once in the past.

In one case, the girl did FS right after the TS, then gave me a decent massage, then finished me off with a HJ at the end, after first hinting that the tip would be $120 not the usual $100. Fine with me, and needless to say, I then always asked for her during future visits for the same two-shot service, until she left the AMP.

In two other cases (both at HJ-only AMPs), I would receive a HJ during the table shower, then a great, sexy second HJ at the end of the hour. Neither girl asked for a slightly bigger tip, but I gave one anyway - I'm sure that they knew that I would. My guess is that both girls were doing this as a non-rule-breaking way of getting a bigger tip, since obviously the tips at HJ-only place will be smaller than at a FS AMP. :)

********************

For non-AMPs, it depends on both the MP and the girl. But usually the big issues are time and money. Several girls at the MPs in Houston, Texas (Escape in Houston, GFE, the various Latina spas) will "ring your bell two times" but it depends on the girl (and also on whether you yourself can do two times in an hour!). During a visit to Houston last year, I had two-shot sessions at both Escape 1 with Susan ($240 total for BBBJ at beginning, covered FS at end) and with Lisa at Maria's Escorts ($160 total). Susan's gone from Escape but several other girls are up for two shots if you are. And Lisa is now working at GFE Houston.

Muggs

05-08-04, 02:18

Guys read this study on Asian girls in massage parlors in SF.

Pay close attention to the findings.

http://www.caps.ucsf.edu/publications/nemoto.pdf

Jet Ranger

05-10-04, 05:46

Muggs,

Thanks for the post. Interesting reading. Here on the East Coast of the U.S., my favorite AMP has an "official" but unposted "no FS" and "girls must keep their clothes on" house policy to keep the peace with LE. Of course, in the privacy of the massage room, these can be easily negotiated away with a provider based on a decent tip (five Jacksons in our area).

Because of the strict "house policy" the girls aren't allowed to have condoms on them so if you ask for full service and are denied, that's probably why at this establishment. Whenever I bring my own condom, especially when I call ahead for an appointment, I've never had a problem getting full service.

In fact, one time recently I was the first customer of the day and a slew of others arrived soon after me. I regularly see the same provider so we've built up quite a rapport. I usually can manage some extra time. This time, she asked after the TS if we could forego the "massage" and go right to the main event! I obliged since I know she'll treat me right next time.

The study's findings on violence towards providers was certainly troubling. While there are a fair share of AMP girls that are good con artists, there are also a few that really get into it even if they really hate their line of work or at least put up a good front for the customer that don't deserve threats or actual violence from customers. It's with the latter that I try to build up a good client/provider relationship like anyone would in any line of business (remember that even though it's part service, part fantasy, it's still a business relationship.)

I continue to be amazed of customers (at least here in the U.S. anyway) that barge into an AMP, try to tip sub-standard or the absolute minimum, treat the girls horribly, and then complain about a "mechanical" performance based on some of the reports I've read here. No wonder.

My favorite provider will now FS me without even seeing the tip money up front because she knows I won't rip her off if she doesn't rip me off. This is paying the going rate for our area with an occasional bonus for an exceptional performance.

Finally, I noticed the population of this study was predominatly workers from SE Asia. Here on the East Coast, at least where I frequent, the providers are mostly Korean so I wonder how much of a variance there might be in attitudes and experiences.

Boxcc

05-11-04, 08:57

Spyguy, I have found that I have had my best MP experiences at a Korean establishment. I think it has something to do with the culture. I have found that if you treat them with respect and kindness, it will be returned to you.

I also agree with becoming a regular at a place if at all possible. That way they get to know you and you them. Everyone is more comfortable and a better time is had by all. It is very nice to get the massage, get the service then pay for it. I like building trust. Actually, I think the girls like it too because I always pay more for great service. If I pay up front, it never seems that I get the great service and the girls never seem to work hard enough to get that extra tip. So, if I pay afterwards, they usually end up with more money and I had better service, again, everybody is happy.

I do not like using a spa that has American girls. American girls think their shit is worth more and usually charge accordingly. And, to top it off, the American girls never seem to get into their work like the Asians do. Don't get me wrong, I've had a few good experiences with American girls, but for the most part I am usually left wanting more. I much prefer an AMP.

Dothan

05-11-04, 10:13

A long time ago when I first got into mongering, it was because of an AMP in St. Joseph, Missouri. One day a sign appeared in a low rent strip mall that said "Tokyo Spa".

I went, and a beautiful young woman answered the door. She told me $25 for a half hour, $50 for an hour. I paid, and she led me to a room with a bed in it, and gave me a massage, that was all. I didn't know how to ask, and she didn't offer. This was in the very early days of the internet, and I didn't have any resources on the subject.

I went back, got a massage, tipped twenty bucks, and nothing. I was pretty broke, so it was a week before I could go back, but I did, and tipped $40 bucks.

In the middle of the massage she told me to roll over, and I got a wonderful HJ.

I became a once a week customer, and saw several different girls. After six weeks or so, the one I was with that day stopped where the hand job would have happened, and left the room. When she came back she had on an old looking, see-through black teddy.

She put a hat on me, and rode me cowgirl. I tipped $20 more (a otal of $85, a fortune for a young broke person in that day).

After a few weeks of CG with one or another of the three girls that lived there, each time with them leaving and changing into the same teddy, I went in to my appointment, and told the girl to go change right away. She looked at me, a little mystified, and then did. I put her on the table, massaged her, and did mish.

I'm telling you that was the best AMP I have ever seen, and the best two years of my life. They never changed in front of me, were always freshly showered, and very quiet.

One day I went to my normal appointment, went back to the massage room, and one of the three girls was there, already in the teddy. She was standing with her hand on the table. She looked back at me and said

"John...fuck please."

It was awesome.

The very best memory I have is the day a new girl came to the massage room for the first time. She was awkward, and as I didn't know her, I was a bit nervous. then one of the other girls came in and started talking to her in what I assume is Chinese. Her eyes got big, and she immediately left, coming back in the teddy. The more experienced girl stayed in the very small room with us, speaking softly in Chinese, coaching the new girl. It seemed to turn the more experienced one on, and when it was all done, the new girl left and I DATY'd the more experienced one to a nice, loud O.

An odd note, I saw several of these girls working at a chinese buffet in town, a time or two. They moved around a lot, and in the two years I was there, there were probably twelve girls who worked at the spa, usually three living there at a time.

Jet Ranger

05-13-04, 05:23

Boxcc,

I definitely agree with your assessment based on my experience. For example, during a session recently with my regular provider at a Korean AMP, we returned to the massage room together after the TS. Typically, the girls leave the room for a few minutes (perhaps to lube up) before starting the massage and the extras (this is the time I usually take the tip money and my personally provided condom out and set it on the table next to the bed underneath my watch), but this time she didn't leave. After a great massage and BBBJ, we went right to FS and a near-GFE. I never mentioned the tip and she never asked. After a tremendous session, I was getting dressed and she politely reminded me "my money?" Of course, I tipped her my usual amount.

Another time, I was their first customer of the day early in the afternoon. I had an appointment which the girls also seem to like (they like to be ready for regulars when you arrive). After my arrival, a few other mongers showed up and she was probably worried because they only have 2 girls working during the day. She asked me after a great TS if I'd mind foregoing the back rub and getting right into the main event to save time. I know some other guys would probably throw an angry fit in this situation and I really do enjoy the massage, specially when she walks on my back, but I agreed because I know she'll more than make up for it at our next session. She has also given me free "bonus" time before where I've paid a $60 house charge for 50 minutes but received 1 hour or more of service.

Another advantage to being a regular with a particular girl is that she gets to know your preferences and if you don't act like an arrogant jerk, the Korean girls really do seem to treat you with kindness. My favorite provider is very "customer service" oriented and always asks me "you cum yet?" or "did you have a good time?" before we finish because she wants me to feel I got my money's worth and that I'll return again soon.

I didn't particularly enjoy my experience in the Philippines with those girls, but the Japanese girls I hooked up with in Tokyo were as good as the Korean girls. It's hard to find Japanese girls in AMPs in the U.S., though except perhaps in Honolulu where you might occasionally find one working.

Boxcc

05-21-04, 14:54

Spyguy, I used to go to an AMP in South Carolina so much that they told me to just come in the back door! They didn't want my vehicle spotted from the road since it was there all the damn time, and since I was 'family' I could come in the back door any time I wanted. The girl I visited was named Lin. Man, she was hot. I would put her age somewhere in her late 30's but she looked a lot younger. (You just can't tell age sometimes on asian women!)

Anyway, I visited her one Wednesday evening, and I guess I was the only customer that day because she was very glad to see me. I got an extra long shower, then massage, I was in heaven. We finally got down to fs, and I have to say that it as a true GFE. When we were finally finished, she asked if I wanted to go again. I told her that I only brought enough money for one time, she said that she didn't care, she wanted to do it again, so we did. That was my best time ever at an AMP.

Lin is mamasan of her own place now. I visit it from time to time, but it isn't the same as visiting Lin. I ask her to do my massage, but she won't. She did say that we could go out to dinner sometime. I might just have to take her up on that.

Jet Ranger

06-03-04, 05:44

During a recent session at my favorite AMP, I had an unusual "behind the scenes" look into the "inner sanctum" office of the establishment.

I was the first visitor of the day and the mama-san of the AMP, which is located in an office building, is also my regular provider. When I arrived, she and I were the only people there. We have a good rapport.

After I got undressed and spent some time in the sauna in preparation for the TS, she came to get me and asked if I would look at the AMP's stereo system, which was located in her office. Apparently the girls working there the night before had changed the station and she was having difficulty getting it tuned back to the regular "smooth jazz" station that they usually play there. It was a rather old AM/FM tuner with a built-in CD player. I did get it tuned back to where she wanted and took advanatge of my time in there to take in the sights.

This is a small AMP. The most girls I've seen working there are 3 at a time. The office had handwritten notes in Korean tacked up along one wall for almost ten feet lengthwise. It sure would be interesting to know what the notes said, but I wasn't about to inquire. There were Korean calendars on the wall but nothing at all in English.

There is a 10 inch black and white monitor which was attached to a camera which I had never noticed before in the entry vestibule. This AMP has a small vestibule or "holding area" that anyone can enter with a posted price list of non-sexual services ostensibly offered (although I've never seen most of those provided during my visits.) The resolution of the camera was surprisingly good so the mama-san and girls can assess a customer before he even rings the buzzer for entry into the controlled area of the AMP. Next time I'm there, I'll see if I can locate the small camera in the vestibule.

There was a bathroom with a single commode and a shower for employee use along with a laundry room where the towels are washed and dried. Some larger AMPs may have a room where some of the girls can stay overnight, but this one apparently does not. There are three massage chairs like those you might also find in a day spa that the girls use to sit on when not with customers, but overall the office area is kind of austere.

The bottom line is this:

1. Most of the better AMPs use the "double door" controlled entry system to screen for suspicious customers, non-employee women, LE, etc. When I was there, one of the girls arrived for work and she had to buzz the door for entry, too. During a first time visit to an AMP, try to look a relaxed as possible in the vestibule while awaiting entry since you're probably being evaluated, either through a peep hole in a door or on a video surveillance system.

2. When the girls are not with customers, the office area where they hang out is quite austere. Yes, the good providers earn good money in tips, but I can imagine how working 8 or 10 hours a day (or longer) in such small confines doing AMP work could burn a girl out. As a result, if you make an attempt to be nice to the girls, some will reciprocate with better than average service for you.

3. Most importantly, don't forget that AMPs are a business and they are trying to keep their costs low like any other business to increase the profit for the house.

Bob Jones

06-06-04, 14:13

I heard years ago that MPs in Thailand use a soapy substance. It was implied this was for a better body slide. It was not baby oil. I don't think it was any of the usual lubricants sold in the U.S. And it was definitely not soap.

Anyone have any idea what this was and where to buy some?

Wooly1

06-08-04, 02:14

Hey guys,

I have a question that I'm sure everyone here has thought about atleast once. What are the risks invovled in going to an MP. (i. e. STDs and police stings), I really want to go to an MP but am affraid of the risks. Your input would be appreciated!

Boxcc

06-08-04, 15:04

Spyguy, excellent report on the inner sanctum! I myself have seen similar setups in most of the AMPs that I frequent. I also argree with you that the nicer you are to the girls, the nicer they will be to you in return.

Wooly1, I would always recommend using and AMP, Asian Massage Parlor. An AMP is the best way to avoid a sting. If you go to an American MP, then one of two things will happen. You will either get busted in a sting or you will get ripped off by paying way too damn much for American pussy! Either way, you are fucked! lol.

Seriously though, I will not use an American MP for those very reasons. You can never tell if the girl is involved in a sting or not until it is too late. Now, you should pick up on the big hints she will be giving like: trying to get you to talk about specific sex acts for money, or by her not letting you touch or sample the merchandise BEFORE money is exchanged! But, you cannot tell by looking at an American girl if she is a cop or not. And, if she is not a cop, she definitely will want you to pay a lot to get off and that doesn't always ensure that you get fs either. It may mean that you pay $200 to get a naked hand-job! Who the fuck wants to pay $200 for a fucking HJ. I'd rather go buy a porno movie for 40 and do it myself, at least then I can do it over and over again for the same amount of money! lol.

There are other benefits to going to an AMP, other than knowing if the girl is a cop or not. I think the whole experience at a AMP is cleaner. They will most always give you some sort of shower or bath before they make contact with you. Then, while they are giving the massage, they are examining your body very closely to see if you have any signs of an STD. If you do have signs of and STD, then you won't be getting any extras from the girl! They always require a condom too, so the risk to themselves is minimized. Since their risk is minimized by using a condom, the risk to you is even further reduced when you use a condom as well.

Personally, as far as STDs go, I think an AMP is about the safest environment to purchase sex. There is risk involved whenever you 'buy' sex. But, I think that risk is greatly reduced in the 'cleaner' environment of an AMP.

Then again, that is just my opinion and as everyone knows, opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one! lol.

Slickman

06-08-04, 17:16

Wooly,

In my opinion, the chances of getting caught in a "police sting" are very slim in an AMP. Most of the time, the cops send in an undercover to see if he'll get solicited for sex. If he does, the girl gets busted. That doesn't necessarily mean the AMP gets shut down because the operators of the AMP will likely claim that all they do is collect the up front fee and they have no control over what the girls do in the rooms. Of course, too many repeat offenses and the place will be shut down.

It's not easy for undercover LE to bust these places. Most of the girls are suspicious of guys they haven't seen before. They sometimes won't offer anything unless you make the first move. That first move should be bold. Don't just rub her leg. Reach up her dress and touch her pussy.

It's also best not to discuss the "tip." There is a theory that leaving the cash on the table in plain sight solves some of the problem since if there's no discussion of sex for pay, there's no prostitution offense. This may or may not hold up in court but at least you can say that you didn't agree to pay for anything, you just left your cash on the table while you were getting the massage.

As for STDs, you can be 99+% safe by just insisting on a condom for FS or BJs. BBBJs supposedly have some risk but more to her than to you. Personally, I don't mind CBJs. Oral sex on her (DATY) has slightly higher risks but most of the Koreans I've seen seem to be very clean.

It took me about a year to work up the nerve to walk into an AMP. If you're curious, give it a shot. Just realize that the biggest danger isn't an STD or a police bust, but rather that you may become hooked on this hobby like the rest of us here.

Jet Ranger

06-09-04, 05:31

Wooly1,

I fully agree with Boxcc's assessment, AMPs are definitely the way to go. For getting started, here are some suggestions for you:

1. Read the reviews of the AMPs in your area and stick with one that has consistently good reviews here on the WSG. Occasionally everyone will have a disappointing session, such as when a girl is having a bad day or if her previous customer was a real jerk. Once you get more experience, you can try new or unknown AMPs as you feel comfortable doing so.

2. As the customer, you should be somewhat assertive (without being a jerk) about what you want. From what I've read on the WSG nd other web sites, use of a condom will significantly reduce the risk of STD transmission. My favorite AMP offers BBBJ which, while not totally risk free, is of relatively low risk for STD transmission for the male compared to other activities (assuming neither participant has any open sores, etc.) Some girls will only do a CBJ and some won't let you DATY. Personally, I try to avoid DATY with AMP girls, but that is my choice and preference.

3. Many AMP girls shave their pubic areas to help reduce the chance of contacting an STD. Many will also douche and lube up. Experienced girls will also try to shower themselves between customers if they can.

The girls have as much to lose as anyone so the ones that work in the reputable AMPs that aren't out to rip you off will take resonable precautions against STD. If you find one that will allow unprotected FS, look out!

Boxcc

06-10-04, 11:08

Slickman and Spyguy, very good points. I have always found that if you start talking about a 'tip' or start asking for things, that's when you start running into problems with the provider. They instantly get suspicious when you talk money or specifics.

I always leave my wallet in the car. The only things I carry into an AMP are my car keys and cash. I have enough for the house fee + extra tip for excellent service in one pocket and the money for the actual 'tip' in another. I pay the house fee and go get my shower and massage. They inevitably start the massage with you lying on your stomach. I think it is best to try to relax and enjoy the massage as much as possible. If you become relaxed, so do they, they aren't as suspicious if you are appearing to enjoy the rubdown. I also like to take every opportunity to touch the provider whenever I can. Like when she comes to the head of the table to rub your shoulders, I love to rub her ass a little, trying to be gentle and not piss her off. But, I want to establish in her mind exactly what I'm there for. When it gets time for her to ask you to turn over, it always helps if you are sporting wood already. If not, that's okay, but if you are, she knows there is going to be 'tip' of some sort or another.

If you aren't sporting wood already, let her massage you some more. Inevitably, she will get close to the monster and awaken him from his slumber. At that point, the point where she is either close to touching the dick, or has even actually touched it, that is when I casually stand up, reach into my pocket and hand her the cash. I usually hand over $100, and that will do the trick. She will disappear for a minute to get the condom and wash that little pussy and come back for some fs.

Notice: I never said anything about sex, or asked for sex, or offered to pay for sex, I just gave my massage therapist a tip for a great massage. She took it upon herself to give me a tip in return by fucking my eyeballs out! lol.

Now, she may tell you that $100 isn't enough, but more often than not, they don't complain about 100. Usually it is the younger/prettier ones that will try to extort more money at this point. The more experienced women just go about their business of pleasuring you. They know that if they give great service, there may be even more of a tip when you are through.

And, I make it a special point of giving an extra tip if the girl has really done a great job. This does two things for you, one, it will make the girl remember you more easily because you were generous and two, when you do return, since she remembers you as a good tipper, she will try even harder the next time in hopes of getting even more money out of you. Either way you can't loose!

Boxcc

06-10-04, 11:17

BTW, Spyguy, I have only had one instance where I ran into a new girl at a AMP. She was new because the mamasan asked if she could come in a teach the girl how to massage. I said now problem. I was a regular, so the mamasan was comfortable asking me to do this. I got an extra long massage by two girls and it was great. When it came time to do the turn over and tip thing, the mamasan said that she would leave now and let us have our fun.

The girl, I say girl, but she was little older, maybe 30 or so, and looked to have just come over on the boat. She started a BBBJ that was pretty good. After a while she just climbed up on the table and was going to mount me right then without going to get a condom. I told her no way! She seemed embarrassed about it, and tried to cover by saying, I forget. She excused herself, went and got one and then we finished. I could also tell that she was new because I had to give her the money after we had finished, but she had not asked for it, and was going to let me leave without paying for it. But, I just couldn't do that to her, she was pretty good, especially for a first time with a customer!

But, I would never, ever under any circumstances have unprotected sex with one of these girls. So, if she wouldn't have gone to get a condom, I would have had to settle for a bbbj!

Stoner

06-18-04, 12:28

Where are the good wh-ore houses these days!
Damn, I want a good ole-fashioned wh-ore house like my daddy had available!

Is there any of worth still standing along the east coast US?

I'm suffering such withdrawl! ;)

RealFun

06-22-04, 04:50

Since we're talking about AMP experiences, here's the story of my first.

I started out hobbying in europe, where its legal. Back in the states as a newbie I got burned a bit sometimes but learned through experience. It was before discussion boards like this existed, and I didn't network with any other guys because I was married. So I was totally on my own. There were no AMPs in my town, so I usually went to one of the 2-3 american mp's, sometimes escorts, etc. I had no idea that anything like an AMP even existed.

My wife and I were on vacation out of state, in a city that was unfamiliar to either of us. We were looking for a certain sushi restaurant in a commercial area with lots of malls and strip malls, so it was overwhelming trying to spot the specific restaurant. We realized we had probably driven a little too far down the strip so I pulled into a parking lot to turn around. We were on the fringe of where the commercial area thins out, a typical location for an AMP.

As I was trying to focus on navigating through the unfamiliar access roads and parking lot medians, something caught my wife's eye... her head turned and she opened her mouth to speak but all that came out was something like, "Hey - ther'...(mumbles) nah nothin...(voice trails off)..."

The strip mall was to our right so I had to duck down and lean to see what she saw out of the window on her side. It was just a business with the word "Tokyo" in the name, it probably caught her eye because we were looking for a sush place, but she instantly detected it wasn't a restaurant at all. I was about 30 ft from the building and I saw "Tokyo Health Spa" in non-descript lettering that was a contrast to all the other businesses that had neon and big 3-D lettering or some gimmick to draw attention. There were no windows, just a glass door covered completely with reflective mylar. There was lettering on the door that said:

TOKYO HEALTH SPA
DRY SAUNA
STEAM SAUNA
SHOWER
MASSAGE:
SWEDISH
DEEP TISSUE
ACCUPRESSURE
SHIATSU
REFLEXOLOGY

The hours were on there too but I missed that as I was trying to drive. Anyways, I didn't even give the place a second thought. I wasn't in the hobbying frame of mind, I was trying to focus on driving in a confusing situation. This all took less than two full seconds to occur: Tokyo gets my wife's attention, she starts to speak but stops before the words are all the way out, I look and see the door but ignore it because its not the restaurant and my head snaps back forward as I watch where I'm driving, my eyes darting all over the maze of medians so I can get back to the boulevard... but out of the corner of my eye I can see that my wife's head is still turned towards Tokyo as it gets behind us.

Then she says something under her breath, as if she were just thinking out loud more than talking to me, I can barely hear her. Again, this takes longer to tell than it took to happen. So, she had made the comment "Hey - ther'...(mumbles) nah nothin'...(voice trails off)..." then I glance, see the door, look away, she's still focused on Tokyo and mumbles to herself, "I don't even want to KNOW what THAT place is all about..."

I'm really trying to pay attention to the driving and I'm only half paying attention to anything she says unless she's saying she sees the restaurant. So it takes a couple beats for the gears in my head to slowly start turning. Next I find myself questioning what the hell does she mean with that kind of attitude? I turn my head all the way around to get a good look at Tokyo.

From a distance I see what I now know is the typical set up for the outside of an AMP. While all the other businesses in the tiny out of the way strip mall clamor and compete for attention, here's a little dark door with flat black unlit letters. "Hmmm," I think to myself, " 'health spa,' hey????" I decide to make an excuse sometime during the vacation to go "run an errand" by myself and check the place out.

First I call the place on the phone and find out that they're open until 10pm. Clue number one, but then 10 isn't all that late really, but it did raise my suspicions. The mamasan politely quoted all the prices and services offered, but there was nothing during the conversation to tip me off.

When I get there some older asian lady, over 60, lets me in and asks if I been there before. Luckily I was thinking on my feet and said yes. She asked who I saw, I said I don't remember the name. She asked me to describe the girl, I just say, "She was asian." Mamasan just stare at me like I'm going to say more. Then she's staring at me like I'm stupid. Then she looks suspicious and asks me to tell her more about the girl I saw. I started giving a bogus description and eventually she buys it and asks for the house fee and tells me to get undressed and the girl will be right in.

I leave my underwear on and wrap a towel around me and sit in the chair. Now when the girl walked in, had she been dressed like 99% of the AMP workers I've ever seen since, I would have known for sure what an AMP was for. But noooo, she's wearing shorts and a t-shirt. One tiny clue was that the shorts were fairly short, but they weren't a 'sexy' style, just lounging shorts. The t-shirt was kinda baggy with something dorky on it. The other very minor clue was that she was barefoot. And I guess the other clue was that she kinda giggled to herself when she saw me. Now I understand that its because she expected me to be naked on the table, not in the chair with my boxers showing under the towel. In any case, I don't think a legitimate professional massage therapist would just openly laugh at a client during an awkward moment.

Her name was Nana. She asks if I want a shower. I just had taken one, and didn't know about the nice t.s. that would have been in store for me. I learned at amer mp's that it can be a minor time-saver if I skip the self-shower and get on with the action. So I asked if I could pass on that and she agreed. She offered the sauna, I passed on that too. She offers to get started with the massage, I say OK. She gestures for me to get on the table.

I try to casually yet modestly get on the table, keeping the towel around my waist until I'm on my stomach, then I open it and just keep it accross my butt. She just watches all this with great amusement. I was trying to hide my embarassment and play it cool but I think it was pretty easy for her to see I was a newbie.

The next clue came when she climbed up and squatted over me, her butt on mine with her knees up in the air. As she massaged me I could feel her crotch grinding on my butt. I was pretty sure at this point that extras were on the menu. After about 20 minutes of massage that was somewhere between very decent and great she starts to slow down. I tell her that I'd like to tip her for a great job. She climbs down and I throw the towel off and walk to my pants. I get out $20 and say "thanks."

Then I say something like, "I really like you, it was fun to talk to you, too. I wish I could get to know you more but I know you're working now..." She responds with something like, "Thank you, you nice guy too, I LIKE give you massage. Come see me again, OK?" I'm trying to act flirty, she's responding in kind. I step closer to her as I hand her the $20 and she doesn't back away. I say, "I mean, I really wish I could have more fun here... maybe just a little more time... if I pay for more time, can you and me have more fun?" She asks, "What do you mean, 'more fun?...' "

We go back and forth like this for a while, she lets me keep getting closer, I say something like, "I feel like you're a good friend, can I give you a hug?" She allows it, and I ever so slowly start moving my hands down her body. At this point I'm still not 100% sure that I'm with a provider, and the last thing I want to do is insult a legit girl.

Long story less long, she presses her body against mine, there's more mumbling about paying for more time, paying for more 'fun', how much I got, what do I want, etc. I figured it was pretty much in line with the price at an amer mp so I offered 100 to "go all the way." She got me up to $120 and left the room.

When Nana returned she told me that mamasan was demanding a minimum of $20 more for the house since we were starting to go over on time for a 30 min session. I really thought it was a newbie-geek-check squeeze play and I resisted hard. Then I realized the amount of time that I'd been in there, and if I had known from the beginning that a full menu was available I probably would've moved things along a little faster. That really was the last of what I brought in, and the girl had a condom in her hand so I just shrugged and coughed it up.

When she returned I offered to give her a massage, which she thoroughly enjoyed, more than most american providers ever appreciated it. I found out later that that particular AMP gets very little business and that it gets mostly really old guys.

I'm no hottie but my massage must have gotten her in the mood and she really got into it. She wasn't shy about directing me on the best technique and rhythm to get her to pop 3-4 times in various positions. After a while mamasan was yelling at her from the hall, and the girl yelled back. Later the girl told me that mamasan was saying that time was up, but Nana argued back that it didn't matter because there were no other customers.

I came back later in the week. Mamasan asked if I wanted Nana or the one other girl working at the time, I asked for Nana again. When Nana came to the room she told me that after I left last time she had gotten into debate with the mamasan, the jist of it being that mamasan was saying whether its busy or not, you get the customers in and out on time or else they get spoiled and expect extra time on every visit. Nana defended herself (and us) saying that I was on vacation and would only come there a few times and then be gone for good anyways.

Again I skipped the shower and sauna (I still didn't know about the enjoyable table shower I was passing up). I tipped right away, Nana went to get the supplies. I could hear Nana and the mamasan having another heated debate. Not quite a fight or argument but I could tell they were in disagreement. Eventually I could hear resignation in both of their voices, but it sounded more like Nana was ending up with the upper hand. When she came into the room she was grinning ear to ear and said, "Mamasan says as long as we don't get more than one other customer waiting, you and me can have as long as we want!" It seemed to me that Mamasan didn't so much agree, she probably just figured there was nothing she could do about it anyways.

We didn't really take much more time over an hour anyways, but the session was pretty awesome.

About 6 months after returning home after that vacation I noticed a tiny ad in the sports section of the local newspaper. It was another place with almost the exact same name, "Tokyo Oriental Health Spa" in a town about 75 min drive time from my house. I've since discovered that there are several great AMPs in that city and I've been hooked ever since.

My general hobbying experience did help me a bit on my first visit. But I do have to recognize just how much "beginner's luck" came into play on that first visit.

Professer

06-22-04, 12:06

Now thats a story. Sounds like most of our first experiances

Stoner

06-23-04, 23:03

Haha...sounds like the Tokyo Health Spa I knew and love in Waterbury. :)

RealFun

06-24-04, 02:07

One thing that is kinda fucked up is how my wife is the one that initially drew my attention to the place. And more than that, she's the one that planted the thought in my head that it may provide more than the advertised services.

She's actually relatively naive about that sort of thing, and here I am the experienced hobbyist. I just glanced, saw "Health Spa" and all the massage services and just shrugged it off.

After her comment about not wanting to know what goes on in there, I got another good long look at it, from a distance, and it had that sort of seedy discreet ambiance that you see at places like adult book stores and other kinds of mp's, etc.

I'm not much of a sports fan and it was just sort of a fluke that I finally stumbled upon the ad in my hometown paper. On my first vistit to that place I saw a couple of girls right away in the hallway that were wearing flirty skimpy clothing and I knew immediately that there would be 'extras' on the menu.

That city is Rockford, IL which is a great spot with 6 AMPs. 3 are great, the other 3 are just OK but all offer full menus at all times.

If you're ever in Chicago looking for AMP fun, it may be worth a little extra drive to go to Rockford. The AMPs in the nearby Chicago burbs are hit or miss and notorious for having older providers. Rockford is probably just a little over an hour from the downtown area via an interstate.

Boxcc

06-24-04, 14:43

RealFun, great story. If I was a betting man, I'd say that at least half of the mongers on this board started out at AMPs the same way. They just stumbled into them. I know it happened to me that way.

I also wish that this board was around when I was first getting started. It wouldn't have been so awkward in the beginning if I had had pointers from guys like us!

The only bad thing about the area that I live in is that there are several good AMPs in the Greenville/Anderson South Carolina area, but, we hardly ever talk about them on this board because the women at the AMP monitor this board for info too, and get quite upset if we talk about them. So, we are almost back to the point of not discussing what goes on at AMPs. At least we have this generic board to discuss massages in general so that people can get the info they need.

It has been my experience that it doesn't matter what city or state you are in, if you come across an AMP, they usually operate the same exact way, or pretty close anyway. The only difference usually is the price and quality!

RealFun

06-25-04, 03:08

Boxcc wrote: "It has been my experience that it doesn't matter what city or state you are in, if you come across an AMP, they usually operate the same exact way, or pretty close anyway. The only difference usually is the price and quality!"

Generally that's true, but there are some AMPs that operate on that rep but provide little to nothing for extras. That's where the finer points of negotiating extras comes in handy. Experience and thinking with the right head are key. For every category of hobbying there are women out there that will string you along making you think you're getting more, get you to pay, then stop you short. Like an escort that tells you $150 for full service, and then after she has your money won't give up the booty, saying that, to her, a hand job is full service.

For a long time when I was a nervous newbie I'd try to be real clever and subtle when asking for extras. Extended double entendres, lots of gestures and leading statements, etc, always trying to avoid crossing that line beteen legal and illegal. I even did this when I knew for sure the girl wasn't LE.

It was a huge revelation when I figured that you only have to be careful when you think there's a chance that the girl is LE or setting you up or something. If you know that she isn't trying to catch you in the act, like at an AMP or if its a well reviewed provider, then basically you can say whatever you want.

Here's how a lot of providers that are experienced rip-off artists will get a "newbie" hobbyist to pay extra: when he starts trying to ask how much for what, she shoots him a dirty look and tries to turn the conversation to a more subtle level. The guy is sort of on the defensive, he thinks she's skittish and he doesn't want to scare her off. So he starts using euphamisms and leading statements, he's trying to find a way to "say it without saying it." Once she has him doing that, then she can make implications by suggesting a tip amount. Then there's lots of teasing and foreplay and when it comes to the main event she claims she doesn't do that and that she has provided the services that were negotiated.

Bottom line: do a cop check on eachother, if you both pass then you can say anything you want. If the girl acts skittish she's either genuinely inexperienced or she's trying to con you.

I wish I had learned that sooner. More often than I'd like to admit I ended up paying $100-$300 to have a girl do little more than strip or maybe offer a handjob.

Through experience, I've learned that whether its an all inclusive fee, a house fee, arrival fee, door fee, whatever the case may be, I always try to hold on to as much of my money as long as I can until I'm sure of what I'll get. For example, if I'm at an AMP in a new town I'll pass on the table shower, or if they insist on me washing up I'll insist on doing a stand-up self-shower; then I push hard to negotiate extras before the massage starts. That way, if things go south early and fast, I can at least try to get all or part of my house fee refunded.

Blah blah, rant rant. That's another advantage to this board. Its a chance to chit-chat with someone about the hobby. As I said, I'm married and mostly have kept all this to myself, I wouldn't even let any of my closest male friends know about this. That psychological seclusion seemed to make me a little more paranoid and skittish with my hobbying. Also more compulsive... I'd tell myself I'm going to quit, then I'd go overboard, etc.

It was like a big weight was lifted off my shoulders when I discovered this board and a couple of local ones. A chance to just converse about this has improved my ability to hobby wisely. In 2-3 short years I made more sudden improvement than I had gradually made in the first 15 years.

And a couple of years ago I told two very close guy friends, and we've gone hobbying together on a few occasions. My hobbying experiences have improved immensely on every level. I hardly ever have a disappointing session, I always get much more bang for my buck, I know when to cut my losses and walk away, I don't get so bitterly disappointed if a session fails for some reason, etc etc.

OK I feel better. Rant over.

Boxcc

06-25-04, 09:28

Realfun, you make very excellent points. My point was basically my own personal observations of AMPs. They are almost all set up the same way with the same rituals involved. But, like you said, YMMV with every experience in an AMP. The more experience you gain, the better equiped you are to handle any situation that arises in an AMP or any other mongering situation for that matter.

That's another reason why this forum is so good. It gives guys like us who have lived through this and experienced it all first-hand a chance to share their knowledges with others. I would have loved to have had access to a forum like this when I was first starting out.

I also agree with you totally about feeling very alone in this hobby, or at least before I got on here and made a lot of good friends that do the same thing. Before I found WSG, I felt the same as you, isolated even ashamed sometimes. I felt that I just couldn't discuss this hobby with anybody. I too went through the phase where I told myself that I was going to quit, only to come back with a vengance. Now that I know that others do it too, I don't feel that 'psychological seclusion' that you described so well any more.

As far as AMPs go, typically you pay your house fee to get the massage then you negotiate with the girl for what you want to get. You have to do the "cop check" so that the girl knows that you are not LE. Usually rolling over with a hard-on does the trick on that score!

But, you will run across a place that does not offer fs at all. They are basically a jack-shack and will include a HJ with the massage or a small tip may get you the same result. I agree with RealFun that you must understand exactly what you are getting with your money before you give it up.

Just like in everything else, you have good people and bad people. Some girls give a true GFE for very little, some try to separate as much money from you as possible while giving hardly anything in return. You have to go with the flow and be prepared.

Escorts, independents and sw's are for another discussion, but I usually feel safer at an AMP than with any other mongering situation. It is a more controlled, safer environment. Once you are sure the girl is not a cop, and they are sure you are not one either, then it usually is the safest way to get sex for money. - just an opinion!

Wooly1

06-30-04, 03:39

Do you really have to worry about a girl at an AMP being a cop? I mean, I dont see why a business would be set up purely for stings, and if it was then it wouldnt last long

Boxcc

07-01-04, 09:06

Wooly, I wouldn't worry too much about stings in an AMP. First of all, there are not too many beautiful asian cops that would go into one of these places to set up a sting, especially in small states like South Carolina.

Your first clue that a sting is in progress at an AMP is that the asian girl you were expecting turns out to be American!

If a sting is in progress, they will go in and bust the asian ladies first, then try to set up their own people to bust us as we come in. This does not usually work too well. The only people that get busted are idiots or newbies that just don't know any better.

Experienced mongers should sniff out a sting at an AMP very quickly. I visit all of the AMPs in my area about once a month or so for variety, and to see what is going on in my neighborhood. If the girls are relaxed, then you can bet that LE has been fairly quiet. If they act nervous, don't want to discuss things or make you make the first move to get 'additional' services, you can bet that the cops have tried to get someone in to bust them recently. Or, in the case of one spa in Anderson County South Carolina, if they get mentioned on this board they get very, very nervous.

But, if you visit an AMP, you should have a girl that speaks with very heavily accented English. You should be able to tell if she is genuine or not.

That's the main reason that I don't like visiting American MPs, it is easier to get busted in a sting because you can't tell by looking at the girls if they are cops or not. Then there is the fact that American girls think that their pussies are worth a hell of a lot more than anyone else's, so they charge outrageous prices for as little as possible.

Jet Ranger

07-01-04, 15:46

Boxcc,

I wish I had the time/money/stamina to check out all of the AMPs here in the Washington, D.C./Northern Virginia where I live! There simply are a lot to choose from, from those that are "rub and tug" only "jack shacks" to those that provide FS.

The WSG Forum has been a tremendous asset to filter out the real AMP values from the places that don't provide a complete menu or a good value of service for money spent. The virtual, borderless community of the Forum is a great way for newbies to learn and as you said to escape the "psychological seclusion" that many experience. As a married guy myself, the info I get from reports of other mongers definitely helps me get "more bang for the buck" in the limited time I have to devote to the hobby.

In their working environment, while the girls will always look out for themselves first, the surveillance and double door entry systems in a well designed AMP are great defensive measures that also can protect you against unexpected LE visits. in a well designed AMP, you'll probably have enough time to grab a towel or get your pants on before LE gains entry to the AMP. If LE is something you're really concerned about, you need to consider not only the girls and reputation of the AMP, but it's location and physical layout.

There currently seems to be a more active LE posture here in Northern Virginia. At least two AMPs that we know of have had recent LE "visits" and another has a lot more frequent uniformed LE "patrols" in their area.

It's becoming more readily apparent that in order to protect the AMPs, we may need to practice some discretion in specific locales as to how much detail we provide in our posts. While it's probably true that any local LE officer with an IQ bigger than his shoe size knows what goes on at AMPs in his jurisdiction without reading the posts on the Forum, we don't need to make their jobs of harassing/closing AMPs easier, either.

It will be a detriment to helping newbies and fellow hobbyists if we need to resort to PMs to share the important details of specific AMPs and providers, but short of not reporting anything, there are currently few viable alternatives.

With all the more serious violent crime, potential terrorism, deadly illegal drug activity, etc. out there, all that AMP "crackdowns" will do is score political points for a few elected officials and LE leaders.

I'm not worried at all about a sting at an AMP with any reputation at all with quality reports about it on the Forum--if there are any American girls or Asians with flawless English working at an AMP, I know it's time to walk out immediately. There are a few MPs that are staffed with South Americans and occasionally European girls, but they frequently are a "hit or miss" proposition. If an American girl working in an MP isn't LE, she's probably out to rip you off by charging too much money for too little service.

Jet Ranger

07-08-04, 05:40

A MEDICAL BENEFIT OF AMPS

I had been inactive in the hobby for a while until about 5 months ago. Several years ago (in my late 30s), I developed high blood pressure. Not too serious, but my physician prescribed beta blocker medication and told me to watch my diet and to try and get more exercise.

I'm not overweight and although I don't live in a gym, I'm in pretty good shape for a guy over 40 (most people think I look younger).

I used to think that "oriental relaxation therapy" and similiar descriptors were only euphemisms for the special extra services provided by AMPs. I know that's still true to a certain extent, but my fairly regular visits to AMPs recently (typically a few times a month, sometimes more) have accomplished what nothing else has--got my blood pressure back to the normal range.

My physician had me stop the beta blocker medication for a while and indeed my blood pressure remained in the normal range. He doesn't know about my AMP hobby, but he told me to "keep doing what I'm doing." While that's not a direct doctor's order or prescription to frequent AMPs, I can't account for any other lifestyle changes that would account for the drop in my blood pressure as I still work in a stressful job.

This may not mean much to you younger guys in the hobby, but as the aging process takes its natural course, the relaxing sauna, TS, and backrubs, while precursors to the main event of an AMP visit, may have secondary benefits you'll come to appreciate later.

Of course, not all AMP girls are formally trained in massage skills, but it's really great when you can find some that can give you not only good FS, but a good relaxing TS and "accupressure" and "reflexology" massage as well that indeed leaves you refreshed, relaxed, and reinvigorated when you walk out he door.

My purpose in this report is not to rationalize or justify my AMP visits but to illustrate an unexpected bonus benefit of my AMP experience.

Boxcc

07-13-04, 08:44

Spyguy, I'm also pushing 40 with high blood pressure. Fortunately, my BP is not high enough that I require a beta blocker, but I have started to include cardiovascular work with my normal weight lifting and things are looking up.

I agree with you that the trip to AMPs is very therapuetic and relaxing and can do much to lower your BP. Anything that relieves stress is helpful!

My question to you sir is about the beta blockers that you had to take. I was very concerned about them and talked to my doctor about them. My worry was that I always heard that beta blockers can affect you sexually and inhibit the lead from filling your pencil, so to speak. Did you experience any problems along those lines? Obviously, you continued to visit AMPs so it doesn't appear that you did have problems. I was just curious how they effected you, if they did at all.

Like I said, my BP had come down and I may be able to stop my meds soon if it keeps going this way. But, I have a history of High BP in my family, so I think it is only a matter of time before I have to go that route.

But, I will use your prescription of a healthy dose of AMP visits, just to be safe! <grin>

USTraveller

07-17-04, 22:27

I haven't been to an AMP for a while due to lack of funds. And I can tell I'm getting cranky. I guess in reading the recent posts about the house benifits, I may be able to afford the house fee and just get an hour massage in order to relax. I'll have to be sure to only take in the house fee so I'm not tempted to get extras.

This leads me to a general question as I've always gone to the AMP for the massage AND the extras. Do the girls get upset if you don't go for extras? What if little willy is awake during the flip and you just want the massage to continue? My fear is that they may think I'm a cop and if I come back later for extras, I won't be able to get them.

Boxcc

07-18-04, 09:20

US Traveller, if you do the flip and little willie is awake, then give her an extra 20 for a nice HJ. It doesn't cost that much more and the relaxation that comes from the 'extra' attention is well worth it.

Besides, if you do that, they definitely can't mistake you for a cop! lol. Remember, you don't always have to pay for fs at an AMP, but tipping is the only way that the girl makes money. The 'house' fee is just that, it is for the house, the girl gets none of that money. They only way she gets paid is for her to get you to tip. And, 20 isn't very much for a nice HJ, that way everyone is happy!

Jet Ranger

07-21-04, 05:17

I want to share with you a couple simple, inexpensive, and very useful things I use to enhance my AMP experiences.

First, I always carry a CoolMint Listerine PocketPak with me. If you haven't used them before, they're great. An AMP girl that's any good at all will offer you mouthwash after DATY, DFK, etc. but the PocketPak contains 24 breath freshener strips that dissolve on your tongue that you can easily use BEFORE you enter an AMP. The girls will appreciate you more if you arrive with clean breath, especially since it's customary for me to greet my favorite AMP girl at the door with a hug and a kiss. I find the PocketPaks more compact and effective than the pocket breath sprays I've tried.

Second, I found the Savex brand of medicated lip balm to be the most effective at treating dry, chapped lips, cold sores, and fever blisters. You can get them for about $1.19 a stick retail. After working all day in a heated or air conditioned office, your lips can dry out. Having moist, healthy lips will enhance whatever oral contact you have with the AMP girls, either kissing or more.

VilunyaChert

07-24-04, 12:26

I posted a question in a local forum, but it may be of more general interest.

http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=257068

Question is: anyone here ever had a chance to give a table shower to the masseuse at an AMP?

Pimp Hound

07-30-04, 06:09

In my many experiences with amps, I found the best way for me to get my massage and fs too is usually I have her to massage my back medium touch. But from the waist down the light touch .And if she is fairly new or young I will show her the technique. The light touch get my juices going and after the flip over , its magic. Most amps {viets} 99.9 per cent have super soft silky hands and the light touch massage really set the rest of the massage off. Most of the young girls are very exploratory with their hands and the rest comes natural. Meaning a very good hj.Orange County, California has many amps with many of the girls are school girls. Good times for all.

Trouble Man

07-31-04, 01:21

Hey married guys. I have a question, when visiting an AMP, do you leave the ring on, or remove it? it's always a stress point for me... don't know why.

J Boy

07-31-04, 12:05

Trouble man
The girls really don't care. They know a good share of their clients are married. I wouldn't worry about it.

Pussy Luvr

07-31-04, 18:19

Trouble Man,

Like J Boy says, when it comes to doing business they aren't going to care if you are married or not. However if you ever think that you might have an "outside" encounter with one of them, it might be better not to reveal your true status. I've always been fairly open and truthful with girls in the past. I figured that since they are with twenty or so guys a day, what would they care if I have a wife that gives me a mercy f*uck every two months. It's been a mistake though and it has kept me from closing the deal. One girl gave me her number and even though we talk occasionally, she is afraid of "my jealous wife" going after her.

I'm now going to stay with the "seperated but the kid lives with me" routine. That makes it easier to explain away my reluctance to take her home with me but reduces some of her fears about seeing me. And while you may never care to see most of the girls on the outside, they do talk to each other. What one knows, they all know.

PussyLuvr

Jet Ranger

08-02-04, 05:26

Trouble Man,

Your question on whether or not to remove the wedding ring has practical and philosophical elements to the answer I suggest.

From a practical perspective, my wife and I both have always removed our wedding and other rings for a variety of reasons, such as when swimming, sleeping, working in the yard, and even during the very occasional sex we have (there's someting about being caressed when your partner doesn't have metal or the hardest known substance on their fingers). At AMPs, part of the delight I get is the reflexology massage, which includes the girl stretching each one of your fingers. I also don't want to ever take the chance of forgeting or losing a ring at an AMP so I take both my wedding and college ring off and leave them locked in my car (along with my wallet).

From a philosophical perspective, it has been the custom in many Asian cultures since ancient times to have a primary spouse (i.e. wife) to sire kids, take care of the home, be a confidante, etc. and have lovers on the side for sexual gratification. Although "globalization" and the introduction of western values into Asia is diminishing this aspect somewhat, the reason you have so many "Asian" MPs in the U.S. as well as in most Asian nations is that there is much less of a stigma of seeking sexual gratification outside of marriage in Asian cultures. In fact, prostitution was only outlawed in Japan during the U.S. occupation after WW II. Even when it was outlawed, it only used to be an offense for the woman, not the man. Unfortunately, you'll find most Americanized Asian women have quickly adopted the values of western women, however.

I'd bet a fair percentage of AMP patrons are married men. I've only had one AMP girl, who I've been seeing on a fairly regular basis at my favorite AMP, ask me if I was married, and I answered her truthfully that I am. Since there's only a very limited scenario and circumstances where I'd even consider seeing an AMP girl I know outside the AMP, not wearing your wedding ring there shouldn't be a big deal for you or the girls. I guess the girls figure that if you were single and looking for a long term relationship that might lead to marriage, an AMP is not the place most guys start their search.

Boxcc

08-03-04, 11:09

Touble man, I have to agree with Spy Guy, there are a lot of practical and philosophical elements to consider. For me, call me an old softy, but I just don't like cheating on my wife while I am wearing the ring. I, like Spy Guy, lock it up in my car for safe keeping with my wallet. I don't want to lose it or forget it.

So, you see, it is really up to you. I also agree with the other points made here about telling them if you are married or not. I don't think it matters one way or the other. All they care about is if you have enough money! As Pussy Luvr points out, the only time that it matters is if you are going to see the girl out of the AMP. So, again, it is up to you!

Rock the Room

08-03-04, 23:27

IMHO, some MP girls might not give you a happy ending ( even a HJ) if they know you are married. They are semi-legit and don't want to risk losing their job.

Another thing a girl told me that she had a customer that looked to be about 80 years old. He came in for a massage and asked for extras. She declined, figuring that he might have a heart attack in the middle of the deed.

Boxcc

08-04-04, 09:25

BTW, Spy Guy, congrats on the Senior Member status, you deserve it!

Triple E

08-04-04, 17:46

Regarding letting AMP providers know if you're married or not, I have a feeling they usually suspect it by default.

I'm completely single, yet whenever I get this question in an AMP (fairly often, oddly enough), the girls usually seem surprised. Admittedly, I'm sure some of this is the usual fake "How could such a great guy like you be single?" fantasy part of the service, but there seems to be some real surprise beyond that. Probably a good indication that most of the clientele either admit being married, or simply forget the ring.

Yello Tail

08-05-04, 20:22

With over 35 years in the hobby, trust me, the girl does not care if you are married or not. She's in it for the money. I would guess that most of her customer's are married. By knowing you are married, she'll make sure she doesn't scratch you or leave any other marks, stray hairs, etc. Sometimes they don't ask if you are married but instead ask how old your kids are or something like that.

In most AMP's, happy endings are available unless they think you're LE. I'm not 80 yet, if I'm still in the game by then, I'll let you know if I get turned down.

To be sure it doesn't end up lost, I don't wear my ring.

Jet Ranger

08-06-04, 05:54

Box,

Thanks for the kind words. I'm really glad I found the WSG.

I had another great (and unusual) AMP experience this past weekend. Unlike my normal practice of phoning ahead, I went to an AMP to see a girl I hadn't seen for months. I've had 3 previous sessions with her before. Both girls who were working there knew me and after buzzing the doorbell, I could hear them talking in Korean, probably debating which girl would take me. They were just in the process of opening.

The girl I really liked greeted me at the door and told me that my usual provider is still on vacation. I told her I know that, but I wanted to see her. She seemed really happy to hear that. Received a warm welcome like she was greeting a dear friend she hadn't seen in a while and after the TS, she sent me to the sauna to dry off a bit.

At this AMP, the girls usually go to their own private shower to prepare for customers, but this time she showered in the TS room and left the curtain open so I could watch her through the window in the sauna door. Feeling like a voyeur and really getting turned on, I opened the door and waved at her.

When she finished and dried off, she came and got me from the sauna, took me back to the massage room, and skipped the massage and went right into the main event. Like most AMP girls I know, she didn't offer DFK, but she did offer BBBJ, 69, kissing and sucking her nice, large (natural) rack, and I climbed aboard for mish.

She doesn't seem to like other positions but she really gets into mish and if she's acting, it's almost impossible to tell. Since I went on a weekend morning, there were no other customers there so there was no rush, just taking my time enjoying the mish to a very happy ending. Would have been a full GFE with more positions, but she has a really great attitude.

Afterwards, she cleaned me up and gave me a great massage and I mentioned a few trivial details about her that I remembered that she had told me, like her real Korean first name and where she lived in our area. She really seemed happy that I'd remember so much about her.

After helping me get dressed, here's the unusual part. Due to a recent LE crackdown in our area, the girls have always asked me to dispose of my used cover off-premises. This time, she put it in the garbage and as I was leaving, she walked out with me to the parking lot. After tossing the trash bag in the dumpster, she came back and gently nibbled on my ear in the parking lot before I left. A truly remarkable end to a great visit.

Boxcc

08-06-04, 14:40

Fluffy, when you get to 80 and you still want to go to AMPs you definitely need to come back to this forum and share your secret!!! lol. I agree with you though, those girls could care less if you are married or not. In fact, I think they prefer to deal with married men, because they know that married men will not want to attract any attention to themselves. They are usually more quiet and reserved and won't usually cause any problems for the girls.

And, if you are married, the girls realize that you are there for a reason, you aren't getting enough at home. So, they figure for a minimal amount of effort they can get you to come back to them time and time again. They get rich off of us old married guys!!!

Spy Guy, I gotta come up there and visit you. I would love to visit the AMPs in your area and get that good a service!!! Damn, you are a lucky man. Although, I would make the girl get into doggie style, that is the box-man's preferred method of ejaculation!

There is nothing like holding a slim-little asian ass while you fuck the shit out of them!!!!

CBR Boy

08-10-04, 20:05

Need help with the AMP scene.

Hey all, I am still new to this whole AMP scene, I've been several times only to leave wishing that I spent my money at on a real therapist. I have also tried several different locations.

Are there any special steps I need to take when I get there?

Do I need to pay more up front?

Do I need to shower first if they ask?

Should I just grab something during the session?

Etc?

Any tips will be greatly appreciated.

PM if you like.

Boxcc

08-12-04, 11:16

CBR Boy,

First of all, calm down! I think you might be pressing too hard. By that I mean you may be too nervous or nervous acting when you first go in. They may think you are a cop if you act too nervous or if you act as if you have never been there before.

That, I think, is the key. You have to act as if you have been there before, even if you haven't been. You have to remain calm, cool and collected.

They usually want eveyone to take a table shower (TS) prior to receiving any services. They do this for a couple of reasons. First, to make sure that you are clean. Hygiene is very important to these girls. They don't want to work on anyone that stinks. Second, they want to check out your body for any signs of STDs or other unpleasant things. So, when they offer you a shower, you must take it. Otherwise, you risk not getting the service that you desire.

Also, I find that the friendlier you are to them the friendlier they are to you. So, be nice. Be playful. If they rub something nice, moan a little tell them you like that. They want you to enjoy yourself, so don't be afraid to show that you are enjoying yourself. If you just so happen to rub her ass or other part of her body, it does tend to show them that you are looking for more. Now, don't go up her skirt right away. Just rub her ass through her clothes. And, do it in a soft, gentle way.

Then when it is time to turn over she'll start rubbing your cock and balls trying to get them to full attention. (If they aren't there already.) At this point, they may ask if you are interested in more, or they may not. That will depend on how comfortable they are with you. Get up, dip into your pants pocket, pull out $100 and see where that gets you. She will take it. You probably can get FS for that, but she may ask for more. It is okay to bargain, but again, be nice. If you are a dick to her, don't expect her to absolutely rock your world when she decides to give you FS.

I hope this helped. If you didn't get anything else out of these tips, get this one important thing. Always take the TS when it is offered. If you don't, nothing else will be offered later.

Pussy Luvr

08-12-04, 16:37

CBR Boy,

What Boxcc offers is good advice but there are regional differences. Table showers are one thing. They seem common on the east coast but rare in So. Calif. Between the two areas that I frequent, there are probably over thirty AMPs and I've have only heard mention of one that has a TS. The others are just DIY shower stalls. It is still recommended that you take the shower for two reasons. One, they prefer you to be fresh and clean but also they may be less likely to suspect you of being LE if you are willing to leave your belongings in the massage room. The worst thing about a DIY shower is that you may have to ask where it is. It makes it harder to convince them that you've been there before. I suppose you could ask like this, "I didn't have a shower last time, could you please show me where it is?"

Another regional difference is how requests for services and money is handled. Where I'm at, you rarely even have to discuss the tip in advance. You can subtly imply what you are after by brushing your hand against her leg and then massaging her calf. As long as there are no negative reactions, just slowly move your hand up her leg. At some point she may ask what you want or you might just naturally progress all the way to FS with no discussion. Around here the standard tip is about $40 - $60. Sometimes a girl gets agressive about price or money up front. I will not put up with it anymore. One time I told the girl she was wasting my time and to go get the mamasan. The girl came back a couple of minutes later with a much more agreeable attitude. I gave her my standard tip which was probably $40 below what she had at first demanded and she smiled, took it and repeated here name a couple of times so I would be sure to remember to ask for her. I've also just put on my clothes and left before. The mamasan met me in the hall and gave me my money back. Now I wouldn't recommend trying this the first time in a place or until you have a little more experience under your belt but remember that the customer is king.

In some other regions, you may not talk about money directly but you are expected to have you're tip money sitting out where the girl can see it. Then in other areas it is strictly cash in advance or at the very least, you may have to agree to an amount. Remember that before the fact, the girl has all the bargaining power. These are usually the places where the tips are $100 - $200. After the fact, you have the power. Don't abuse it but don't let yourself get ripped off.

One tip that applies anywhere is to learn in advance the names of girls that work or that have worked in the past year or two at the place you are going. You can say that you saw so-and-so a few of months ago or you can request a specific girl by name. You can also use it as a bargaining chip, "So-and-so only charged me $xx" or "So-and-so would do that with me." Don't get too outlandish though, these girls do talk to each other. Also, when you are in the room, get naked and stay that way. Don't cover yourself with a towel and object if the girl tries to cover you. Say that you are "hot" or something. That reminds me of a time a girl covered me with a towel and I threw across the room a couple of times. She finally made it clear that it was only while she left to get a condom.

Do your research here on WSG. Read all the past posts from your region. Become familiar with the places, girls, local customs and rates. There are some places that just offer massage with no extras are on the plate. So make sure you go to the right places. Sometimes you have have to go in cold though and you need to be a little more careful. Be confident, comfortable and friendly. You don't have to talk much, they probably wouldn't understand you anyway. Treat the girls well. I have had almost 100 AMP visits and I have only been turned down once for FS. I had to settle for a BJ/HJ. Good luck and have fun.

Pussy Luvr

Dinger

08-12-04, 20:04

Ok experienced AMP patrons, I've got another question for you. As a semi-regular AMP person myself, I'm very comfortable getting what I want, I have a few favorite girls I see, and feel comfortable in one or two AMPs that I go to most often.

However, I've got a hankering to try something a little different. I'm interested in a two-girl massage with extras. Has anybody else tried that in an AMP before? I don't want to offend anybody or upset that apple cart in my normal haunts, but I think it could be a very fun experience.

What do you think?

Dinger

Boxcc

08-13-04, 08:58

Pussy Luvr, you make a good point about regional differences. I have been to AMPs mainly on the East Coast, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North and South Carolina and even one in Florida.

To me, they were all set up pretty much the same. They have the little entry lobby to pre-screen you even before they talk to you, then you pay the house fee up front. I have never negotiated price up front. It has been my experience that the girls want to size you up first to make sure that you are not a cop before they will discuss anything with you. I have found that, in most cases, money was never discussed openly until after I handed her my tip. In a lot of cases, they don't even ask if you want anything 'extra' because that could be contrued as an offer of prostitution.

Now, as far as a DIY shower versus a Table Shower: I have only been to places where they give you the shower as part of the massage. Like I said in an earlier post, they are making sure that you are clean and disease free, or at least you appear that way. I never thought about what you suggested about wanting to see if you are willing to leave your belongings in the massage room while you are off to get a shower. But, I have to agree with you on that assessment.

After that is all said and done, you get to the point where you are going to tip her for 'extra' services. Personally, I don't like to discuss money out in the open. I would rather just get up, get the tip and hand it to her. I don't like leaving it lying around. I want to hand it directly to her. Doing it this way does 2 things: 1. It say very plainly to the girl that you want more than just a massages, and 2. It leaves you an out if you have to take it. What I mean is, if you hand her the cash, she will know what it is for, and usually she will provide it. Notice, there was absolutely no conversation about sex whatsoever, so you were not giving her money for sex. If it is a sting, and you hand her money without ever talking about sex, you can say that you were just giving the girl a tip for the 'great' massage you just received. You would at least have a leg to stand on if you got a lawyer to fight it out in court.

Anyway, if you hand the girl the tip and it is acceptable, she will go about her business. If the tip is not acceptable, then she will argue with you a little bit, but I have only had that happen twice. In both cases, it was younger providers at an AMP in Greenville and they thought that their shit was worth a premium. It was good, but not worth the extra money that they were asking for. I did what you talked about in your post, I asked for the mamasan and told her that I wanted a different girl, the mamasan said something in Korean to the girl and she immediately obeyed and took care of business. From then on, when I went back, I would ask for a different girl. The mamasan always remembered me from then on too, and she would say something to the high priced girl every time she was there too! It was great.

Anyway, CBR, I hoped that this helped. I would be interested to hear what Spy Guy had to say about this too.

Pussy Luvr

08-14-04, 01:40

Boxcc,

Sorry, I guess that I wasn't clear on the "up front" part. The first part is about like you say. They pre-screen you at the lobby before you get past the locked inner door, you pay for a message session only, etc. You don't talk about extras. What I meant by "up front" was that once you are alone with the girl and perhaps had gone through a few of the preliminaries. Then she would ask for however much she wanted before any action would take place. At the very least she would want a verbal agreement from you on the amount.

What I mean by "after the fact" is when there is never _any_ discussion about money, either expessed or implied by either party before you receive your "services." Then, as you are on the way out of the room, you politely tip her for the "nice massage." On rare occasions, she might complain but usually she just smiles and thanks you. With a new girl, I generally watch her face out of the corner of my eye as I slowly pull one twenty at a time out of my wallet. You can usually see by the change in their expression when they are at least satisfied, if not exactly happy. Around here, that usually seems to come at the third twenty. When a girl has been especially good, I have sometimes even asked her, "Is that all right?" Surprisingly, the ones that I have asked have never requested more. Now I do tend to treat the girls very well and show them respect, so that may help.

It doesn't always go smoothly though. One time I convinced an "up front" type girl to wait, that I would take care of her as well as she took care of me later. She had been insisting on $100. She said that wass what everybody paid her that. Right, maybe if they were drunk, blind and with an IQ somewhere below Forrest Gump. She looked much better before she took her clothes off. At first she wouldn't do DATY, then she changed her mind. Then I think she offered only one position. After it was over, I very generously gave her my typical $60 tip. She was furious. She even said that I should pay her extra because I made _her_ cum during DATY. Well excuse me but I condsider that a bonus for her. Then she kept going on and on for close to five minutes about how she was only doing this to feed her four kids and how I could afford it, etc. Was I ever sorry that I'd given her that much! I thought I was never going to escape this b*tch. The mamasan usually gives me an "exit interview." Unfortunately, she wasn't around when I left. I had a few choice words about this girl for her. It was after her that I decided no more "up front" girls without at least sending them back to the mamasan for a recalibration.

The point that people make about leaving money visible is that it sends a message to the girl that there may be more in it for her. She is not supposed to just take it without your permission. If she asks about it or tries to take, say that you only have it out in case you want to leave a tip later. If she then offers services to you, you might let her go ahead and take it. I don't like this approach either. I disagree that either this or giving her giving her a tip in advance, as you suggest, gives much of an "out." I try to avoid anything to do with money unless she explicitly offers services and even then I will try to avoid it.

From a legal standpoint, it would seem to me that you have the stongest argument if you just go in and the two of you spontaneously decide to have sex, with no discussion of "services" or money changing hands. You're just a man and woman acting on a mutual attraction for one another. If you happen to tip her for that "nice massage" as you leave, that has nothing to do with the sex. The girls and the mamasan are safer that way too. Unfortunately, that doesn't work everywhere. Mainly because the girls get a little too greedy.

Pussy Luvr

Pussy Luvr

08-14-04, 01:51

Dinger,

I've never tried it myself but I have heard of several instances. There is even one place around here with a name like "Fours Hands Massage" or something. You are still going to have to tip both girls seperately. No quantity discount. Don't expect any girl-on-girl action. Basically, you'll probably just get to do them one then the other, with a a change in raincoats and possibly a washdown. I don't know if this is what you were wanting to hear but I've heard this several times.

Pussy Luver

Boxcc

08-17-04, 16:46

Dinger, I agree with Pussy Luvr, I think you can find that, you will just have to pay for two instead of one. And, I also agree that you probably would have to change raincoats.

I don't know about you, but when I'm in the middle of strokin' that thing, I definitely don't want to have to stop to re-wrap it!

I know that there is a place here in South Carolina that you can get the girls to do a duet then you can take your pick, but it isn't an AMP.

Scrodie

08-20-04, 02:49

Good advice in these posts. I've been frequenting MPs (A and a few non-A) for several years. They're the coolest establishments around IMO. Where else can you go, get treated like an emperor for an hour or so, and then have a great release at the end.

I've lived in several states and have been to MPs in a dozen states or so. I started off naive like a couple of earlier posters, and the first couple of times didn't know what to expect or how to act. I had a bad experience in one in Biloxi, Mississippi where the girl managed to part me from $300 or so and I only got a HJ. Most of the time, I have had a very good time. I usually really like the massage in addition to what follows. The only place I received FS is New Orleans, though I have heard they had a major crackdown and all the good establishments there (on Chef Hwy) are history. I usually am happy with a BJ or HJ, done properly, at the end. One of my only complaints with AMPs in general is that some of the masseuses grip way too hard.

To me, the table shower, the actual massage and the finish are all critical parts of the MP experience. The ultimate MP experience for me would be as follows: It would start off with a table shower with special attention to the butt and boys. After she dried me off, a relaxing massage, on the soft side, would follow. Gradually, she would tease the boys and butt. Just before the flip, extra attention would be paid to these areas. Then, after the flip she'd continue the massage, teasing the chest and around John Thomas. She'd finish up with either a BJ or HJ. She's clean me at the end. Insert her getting naked and me playing with her somewhere in there, and possibly a prostate massage.

I think my favorite AMP of all time would have to be in Pascagoula, Mississippi of all places. The ladies there knew how to please a guy. The "erotic massage" focused both on the "erotic" and the "massage". It also was reasonably priced.

I now live in Las Vegas and have been disappointed overall with the AMPs here, though many have opened up since I moved here. At the first one I went to here, the lady had bad body odor. It took several visits to various ones to find one that offered a table shower. One I've been to sometimes offers extras and sometimes doesn't. Most of the masseuses at Las Vegas AMPs dress down. I have found a couple of good newer ones, though. There is also a non-Asian MP which has very attractive girls. It's kind of expensive, but offers FS. The thrill is in the hunt, I guess.

Long live MPs!

Arch West

10-04-04, 11:32

Wow, has everyone forgot this board? There was good information here but nothing posted in a couple months. I'll add my two cents, maybe that will get things going again.

I have tried several AMP's in Las Vegas. Most of the AMP's on Sahara are mediocare and I have never been successful negotiating FS. My favorite, if you can call it that, is Hon Yung. I believe that is the name. It's in a small strip mall layed out in a semi-circle. It's very close to a Dodge dealership.

Jade Garden on Cheyenne is fairly new and in the evening some very attractive asian ladies begin working. Don't bother with daytime. Has anyone had any success at FS with AMP's in Las Vegas? I have read something about VIP, but I don't know exactly where that's located.
Maybe this will get things going.

ChefDog

10-08-04, 17:54

Scrodie reports:

"The only place I received FS is New Orleans, though I have heard they had a major crackdown and all the good establishments there (on Chef Hwy) are history."

There are three places currently twitching on CM. I have gotten FS at the first (just past the bowling alley), have looked into the one in the strip mall and the one way out past the interstate bypass to Chalmette. They didn't tempt me. And the FS in the first, while cheap (total $80), was not any fun.

Chef

Jon Jones

10-08-04, 19:44

CBR Boy

I can’t add much to the previous recommendations. I’m fairly new to the hobby myself. I have never visited an establishment that didn’t have favorable reviews on this board. This board is a tremendous resource in determining what services might be available. (Thanks again Jackson!)

Check out what the lady is wearing. I’m not looking for FS, but I do appreciate the beauty of the female body. If she’s wearing heavy Levi’s, a blouse that has a dozen buttons and shoes that need to be untied, I figure I’m probably not getting much more than a massage and maybe a HJ. However, if she’s wearing a loose dress and sandals my hands go exploring.

While I’m in my 50’s, I’ve been told I have a LE look. To counter this, I try to be standing or sitting on the edge of the table, completely nude with my dick semi-hard, when the lady comes in. Most cops won’t go this far. The fact I’m exposed seems to put some girls at ease that I’m not a cop.

On a first visit I usually leave a few 20s in sight next to my wallet but I NEVER mention payment for additional services. In the end, no extra service, no tip. But when the service is good I like to slightly over tip. Most girls have good memories.

Treat the ladies with respect. While most make good money, it can be a dangerous profession. One provider I know was beaten and raped last year. The AMP owners didn’t feel they could call the police.

Let us know how you’re doing. Have the tips helped?

Arch West

10-11-04, 12:14

Thanks for the post, JJ and Scrodie. I have a couple questions, though. Are both of your experiences with AMP's in the Big Easy? Have either of you tried Las Vegas AMP's? If so, what has been your experience?

If you PM me, I'll give you digits for a private provider in Las Vegas. Again, no FS. But she'll give you a great nude, sensual massage with "release" for buck and a half.

I too want to add my thanks to Jackson. Great board, good info and great price! We need the equivilant in a provider! Of course I'm from a place where they cover GQ in the 7-11 to reduce the corruption of our young. So any kind of provider would be good!

T Birdy

10-11-04, 14:17

Hello guys,

Thought I'd put in my two cents here from Indianapolis. I have multiple posts of detailed "massage" encounters here in the circle city - some more successful than others. But if you read them, you can learn something from every experience (As I have).

In general, I've found that going right for the respectful finger dance up her leg will take all the mystery out of your experience. More than leaving money in site or cryptic hand motions, you'll know in a hurry what's up. Some here will not discuss anything with you untill you touch them between the legs!

They're used to it and you will not be insulting them. If you are upfront, straight and respectful of them, you'll both have a better time. Also, I always respect their wishes as to what they will or will not do. I do not push, but rather enjoy the experience. At any rate, you may even get a good massage out of it!

T Birdy

Scrodie

10-16-04, 04:36

I've been to a several AMPs in Las Vegas. Most only do HJ. The only one that I've been offered FS is VIP Massage (corner Valley View and Sirius, near Jaguar's). VIP is really a "non-A" MP, as they seem to have more non-Asians working there than Asians. The upsell is $100, $150 and $200, for nude HJ, CBJ and FS respectively. The girls I've seen there are quite hot. I wish they offered table showers though.

I've been to Jade Garden once and had a very good experience. It was one of the few AMPs here where the masseuse went right for my member without the requisite negotiations (I tipped her at the end). A guy recently reported a not-so-good experience there on the Las Vegas forums, YMMV as always. The other places I like in Las Vegas are Ocean Spa and Rainbow Spa, for different reasons. Ocean Spa has the best "treat you like an emperor" feel and Rainbow has very good massages, though they don't always offer extras. I tried to go to Hon Yun one night, but they were closed for some reason. I've had mixed luck at the places on West Sahara, and generally good luck with the places on Paradise near the Stratosphere, though they seem pricey and cater to tourists. Sunset (Pecos, north of Sunset) is quite good, though can also be pricey. Again, none of these places typically do anything beyond a HJ, except for VIP. Las Vegas is notorious for little "bang for the buck" at AMPs.

I haven't been to the New Orleans AMPs in ten years or so. My favorite was in a kind of run-down strip mall next to an urban bar that always had an NOPD cop working the door. They often went into FS without even asking. After the table shower and a brief massage, she'd put on the helmet and hop on. I'm glad there are three places still operating. I had heard that NOPD really cracked down and shut them all down. Apparently, they had solved all the serious crime problems in The City That Care Forgot and shifted their attention to AMPs.

Arch West, I'll pm you about that masseuse.

Connaisseur

10-20-04, 13:04

Hailing from AMP-paradise Maryland, the posts on this board inspired me to suggest a survey/competition with the goal to find the "Best AMP in the country" or the "Best AMP experience ever", as mileage tends to vary within one and the same AMP.

Many of us get to travel throughout the country and could possibly contribute their most memorable experience in their AMP-mongering career.

I will dig in my own AMP-memory archive and add my 2 cents shortly...

Conn.

Arch West

11-01-04, 16:00

Sounds like a good idea. I'll start. The best experience I had was in Sacramento, CA. It was several years ago, I've heard the AMP scene isn't very good there anymore. But I digress. I paid the $50.00 house fee and was directed to a room. The "hostess" asked me to get undressed and she would escort me to the "pool." I thought, "pool" what's up with that? Curiosity well in tow and followed instructions and was lead to a warm pool. Similar to what has been described to me as bath houses in other parts of the world. It felt great and I relaxed for about 5 minutes. Soon this very attractive asian lady, dressed in a silk kimono came to "gather me" and take me back to the massage room. Once on the table a rather good 20 minute massage took place. To add to the experience a warm electic blanket was strategically placed so my buddy "johnson" could bury his head into into. Felt great.

On the "flip" I was a little concerned, because no mention of "wadda you want" was uttered. I'm thinking uh-oh, not good. So I decide to let me hands wander a little over this silk kimono, working my hand up and down her leg. Next thing I know, she smiles, leans down and lightly kisses me on the lips. Never had that happen before or since. She steps back from the table and literally rips her kimono open revealing a great rack and very sexy red lingerie. Don't get me wrong, she didn't ruin her kimono. Apparently it had some kind of snap connection from top to bottom on this outfit. She steps out of her outfit, comes over and lays on top of me. With her face about two inches from mine, and as she gently rubbed herself against me, she asks me what I want. I said something really articulate like....uh,I want you!!! Masterful, huh? She giggles and gets up off me. She invites me over to the in-room shower. I wander over in full-upright salute and she asks me if I want to take her lingerie off. Again, something masterfully articulate like.....uh, yeah! It took me about 3-4 minutes to get that lingerie off as I kissed her all over, sucked on those great tits and slid my finger slightly inside her as the panties came off. The giggles turned to slight moans and we were quickly in the shower. She put on a plastic hair cover to keep her hair mostly dry. She then proceeded to give my a great body-to-body lathering. Five minutes later she was drying me off.

Back on to the massage table she mounts me with "johnson" firmly in her hads. She starts moaning and stroking me and then drops the question. "How much you give me?" I told her $100 and she didn't miss a beat. I hadn't realized she was putting a condom on me as she stroked me...(I guess I was a little pre-occupied) She says, "Oh, Baby" and slides me insides her. All I could handle was two positions, (her on top and mish) and it was pop-fini.

It seemed like longer, but it was only 70 minutes. My how time flies when you're having fun. All in all, A well-invested $150.00.

Zidaho

11-30-04, 03:55

My ex-wife is a masseuse, I used to get a kick out of the horny guys who would leave messages on her machine around midnight. Ha, ha. She is a totally straight masseuse at least these past 20 years and still straight massages a number of famous celebrities/politicians but what I respected about her is that she was such a nasty **** when we met 20 years ago, that and her titalating stories / experiences. Ddamn, that's why I married her!! Now we are just good ole (goofy) friends. I have to say though, pound for pound and for the money Thai women are the best masseuses in the world just in sheer terms of guantity, quality and cost. However, that said, I have had a few absolutely gorgeous American masseuses the past few years who have such an elegant intimacy, voice, and touch and subtle like sensuality about them that even today I remember the experience almost as though we had an intimate encounters . . . and it was beyond relaxing!! However, I like the way the Thai girls charge liike 5-$10 bucks for a massage and the way they get right down and almost wrestle. Of course many of the Thai girls use massage as just one component in their repertoire for pleasing the customer, and it's those other components which are the most pressing factors for me these days.

Travel Sales

12-01-04, 21:34

Hey guys,

For some reason there have been alot of AMP opening in our area (Biloxi Ms.) There are three or four in gulfport.One just opened called the Bamboo,the owner tells me she has three young,pretty girls working.Havent had a chance to check it out yet! Then there is three in ocean springs Ms. VIP,Stess Away and Lucky spa. The last one is my favorite, there are two Fine,Fine,Fine! girls working there now. Dee Dee has long perfect legs,very nice ass,thin,natural perky breast,and has a very clean shaven pussy.And knows how to use it!(you will fall in love with her!) The owner Tina will give you a body shampoo and sometimes starts the massage. I highly recomend the lucky spa on HWY 90 it cost me 160 for FS,CBJ,HJ.

Connaisseur

12-07-04, 18:09

Here's a thought for all of you fellow AMP lovers: we love the Asian style, and have frequented all of those Korean/Chinese/Malaysian etc. places. Now, it has come to my attention that all over Europe Indian-style massage establishments are popping up (think Tantra, Kama Sutra, etc.); I intend to check a few of thouse out on occasion, but I was wondering if any of these services have become available in our fair country. To be honest, I like the idea... Any ideas/input on that, anyone?

Member #4063

12-07-04, 21:26

I post mostly on the Mass and RI boards, but love massage. I have had 3 experiences with "Tantra", 2 from therapists and one from Cindy Spice of Las Vegas. The bad one was an Asian women, Lily, from Washington, DC a total phoney and rip-off. The second was from Rani here in Boston and was mind bending. The Cindy experience was the best of all and worth the price of admission by and of itself. I think it is worth experiencing and if you check the E** G**** you can find traving ladires. Also if you Google and use Tantra you should be happy with the temple.

Good luck

Jack

Crazy Dick

02-16-05, 23:14

Most AMPs are run by Korean's. Speeking Korean will help you go a long way in an AMP. I hope the following helps you get a little extra out of you AMP visits.
Crazy Dick

"KOREAN SEX SLANG

Po ji-----literally means, "pussy"
Cha ji-------- means "Dick" or "Cock
U Bong------- Means "Tits"
Mo Go-------- Means "eat"
Nae---pronounced like "nay"-----means "Yes"
So, if you touch her lips with a finger, and ask "Cha Ji Mogo?"
Well, you get it!
If you say, "Po Ji Mogo?" you just asked to eat her pussy!
Flattery will get you everywhere!
I Pun------the I is pronounced as an "E" and pun is is pronounced like
"Puun"---- means "Pretty"
Yo Ja---------means "Girl"
So, if you say, "I Pun Yo Ja" you would be saying "Pretty Girl"
Ma Ni---pronounced "ma nee"---means "much"
"Ma Ni, Ma Ni I Pun Yo Ja", means "very, very pretty girl"
The word for lips is "Ip" pronounced like "eep"
So, if you say, "Ip, chon pa, an ju sae yo"
You are asking her to sit on your face!
Cool!
Ha Ha
However, it is all real, and true
Good Luck
Oh yes
"Tang shin ul, sa dang hae yo"
That means, "I love you!" Be careful with that one! You could end up
married, and live forever, and regret it!!!!!!"

Thank you = cum sum di dah (short version excepted in Korean)
Your welcome = chum e nay o (make the e sound like the ah sound
and say all together rather quickly. It will take some practice.)

**This is most common word used by koreans to say thanks
Kamsa-Habnida = Thanks

**This is inevitable question from any korean girl.

Me Ssal-yo= How old are you ?

just show the fingers, if u dont know korean numbers.

**If you want her to take out,this can be helpful to u.

Kachhi= Together

Ka = Go

Here "yo" is used to add respect...so

(Restaurent/Park/..) Kachhi Ka yo= Lets go together

If you like to tell her just to give a ring , u can use this sentence

Chona =Phone
Chuseyo = Give
Chona Chuseyo= call me

**
Jemoseyo= Having fun ?

Ani(yo) = No, Ney=Yes

Ausse Salt

03-18-05, 03:18

Hey Mates,

Any newbie who is nervous about visitin' his first AMP, this thread gives nothin' but fair dinkum crackerjack advice for the first-timer. Read your way through the posts, pay attention, and follow the advice -- and you new joeys will be ready to 'ave a go like a tazzie tiger. Too right!

##### Salty

Ausse Salt

03-20-05, 05:17

G"day Mates, One ov me best times ever at an AMP wuz one ev'ning durin' a small snowfall (Crikey, your NorthEast gets some bugger weather!). I was on holiday from me work and stopped into the joint a wee bit before closin'. The mum led me to the room and after I wuz starkers to the table shower.

I was thinkin' this wuz me dingo nite - becaue a few months before I dropped in'round the same time and all there wuz is this chubby mum for a ho-hum CBJ (that I paid the prime doagh for). Anyhou, mum waited 'til after the decent shower and dry-off to tell old salt that she wuz the only bowler in the joint! So I wuz off me nob a bit, but went on and said "no worries, luv - we'll do the place rotten anyhou."
So I went back to the room with her, laid out the dough, and helped her out ov her togs. She 'ad a bit of a saggy bod (so-so for a house-mum), but too right, I wuz ready to paint up holly. I told mum to lay down on her chest an' I'd give her a rub, and I paid alotta attention to her backside. When I asked if she wuz a policeman - she laughed so hard she right fell off the bloomin' bed! After the flip, I teased her some more, and then went on to pork her dirty! She wuz quite into it, especally doggie -- and then before I went off, she pullled off the durex and did BBJ before tossin' me off.

We went back to TS to wash up, and she even got me devil 'ard again and gave more BBJ action and a second toss. I 'ad spent some 90 minutes with her -- no other bludgers rang up the door. On me way out, I noticed she 'ad dimmed out the lighs after me first shower. I never saw her again -- the bleedin cobbers came in a few monthes later and shut the joint down. The old mum 55 or so may be on the job at a tatshack near you!

Salty

Wyatt Doodat

03-26-05, 16:08

I just remembered that some years ago, can't for the life of me recall where, I stayed in a fairly cheap (not a dump) motel that advertised "massage" on their sign. The clerk explained the massusse came to the motel in the late evening so I asked him to have her call me, which she did. Whatever the price was, it seemed too high for just a massage so I blew it off. I had no mongering experience at the time and was just naive & curious. No idea how far this massage would have gone had I gone thru with it, but in retrospect I wish I'd at least checked it out.

But I wish I could remember where it was, it could have been almost anywhere in the West, Midwest, or South. Any ideas? Oh, and the massage sigh was yellow.

Southern Man

04-07-05, 19:37

Well, I post mostly in the Alabama section, but was piqued when I saw this forum. In N. Alabama, we've had lots to choose from with AMPs, but the choices are fewer these days. I'll tell you about my better experiences in a couple of still active joints.

JVIP Spa in Muscle Shoals, Alabama. Lynyrd Skynyrd is right: Muscle Shoals has got the Swampers, but that ain't all. JVIP is a FS AMP. Two mamasans I've seen there over the past 3 years. One in mid-40's and not an exciting time for the eyes, but you soon forget that it ain't about the eyes. Nice sauna time, then table shower. Massage that makes you feel like warm dough all over. Incidental contact with ol' one-eye? Spread your legs a little, and as you get hard, the incidental contact becomes intentional and prolonged. Then, atf ... if you haven't already known her/been there, you negotiate price. Generally, with .6 house fee, you can get the rest FS for .8 to $. Escorts around here are slightly cheaper, but they don't massage you like that, either. Once the formal matters are done, you typically get the CBJ, HJ and FS. Nothing like a short gal squatting on your stiffy while you're already relaxed and feeling good. The other mamasan is younger, mid-30's, looks nicer, same quality experience.

Aromatherapy north of Birmingham in Roebuck area. Same as above, but if you go early in the day, about 11, you can get FS for $ including house fee. Helps if you take in only $ in all Jacksons, act like you can't understand the girl if she counters with higher price. Be completely willing to walk if you don't get the fee where you want it. She'll skip the shower, go straight to the action. Younger roster to pick from, some straight off the boat. Worth the money, but not the "spa" experience I like.

In the days of yore, there was Rainbow Spa in Madison near Huntsville. I saw several ladies there, but my favorite was one called "Today". 36D's (fake, of course), but she was hotter than a firecracker. All the JVIP positives about the spa treatment, plus this gal. 1.6 for everything, including house. Man, oh, man she was tight, clean and smooth. Place closed few months back...too bad. Other girls were there, too, and all of them were fair to good looking.

Finally, there's a American joint called Top Notch in Lacey's Spring, AL. It is an unusual little spot in the middle of nowhere, but right in the middle of about 5 miles of more p4p than you'd ever imagine in rural Alabam'. You can't throw a hubcap without it landing in the parking lot of a pro. Top Notch is .3 house fee for 1/2 hr., your choice of 2-3 fine, fine ladies and FS for an additional $. They quote you $1 per minute over the first 1/2 hr, but I've never had to pay it .... mainly because I was in and out in 35 minutes or so. The hot blonde with a voice like a rock crusher (she'll rock your world for a little while) is the one you don't want to miss. Her cutie sister works there too, and even advertises her services as a separate service in the newspaper, but works out of same location. Younger gal but with plenty of experience.

Fat Shaft

04-20-05, 01:11

Came in more ways than one on my short trip to Los Angeles.

Having read the forum, and mongered extensively in South East Asia, I was kind of wary about where to go.

Anyway looked up the SGv and went to a couple of places.As this is a public forum ,and there is always LE around,I dont really want to drop specific hints

Look for advts which don't advt professional massages,but just massages.

I went to a Korean one first, very nice and clean place. I wa led to a room and was asked to take off my clothes and wear a pair of shorts. Well naturally i didn't,junior gets real uncomfortable in those skimpy shorts and he had come to run amok.I listened to him of course.

THey had a robe,which I donned and waited,in a minute the girl came in "Lily" young pretty in her early twenties.She just came up to me and took off my robe. I told her i needed a massage real bad.She just laughed and caught hold of junior and said looks like he needs something bad.

After that, well there was no massage,at least not till the end. I did her every which way i could and then some. In the end i just popped out ripped off the condom and spurted right into her mouth. That was a first for me ( in a massage joint) as she swallowed all of it.

She wanted to lick me clean but i declined.Didn't want to take a present back home. She then took me and gave me a real nice table shower.

I gave her $ 1.00 for her efforts and a 7 for her performance. I would have given her more but she couldn't lock the door so had to constantly look over my shoulder whilst ramming her and she had to bury her moans into the pillow.

THe second one was a delight. THere was an Asian American all by herself,in her early thirties. Went soon after I had gone to the one above as I wanted to have a massage.

She categorically said no massage to the private parts.

Well to cut a long story short, I told her i was aching there real bad, and told her honestly why. She massaged me there for a long time. I didn't pork her then. But I do intend to go back soon and finish the deed.It was nice to just lie back and get your dick massaged for an hour.

AaaH! my balls ache in delight

Happy Mongering

Luvamp07

06-15-05, 21:33

Hey,

I am going to be going to Las Vegas next month and I was wondering where there are some good AMP. I am looking for a table-shower where both parties get naked, the girl rubs oil on you and then uses her whole naked body to give you a massage (kind of like something you can get in thailand). Anyone find a place like this? I have been to 2 places like this and that was in thailand and taiwan (kaoshung, the place got shut down though) and it was one of the greatest experiences of my life.

Bill Bradsky

07-03-05, 23:45

bluishballs

07-08-05, 13:47

I don't need to know locations or names, i can look them up myself (don't wanna waste $50 on mp that only give m)

Wanna know if all or most of the mp's, tanning, or whatever are good for FS or CBJ down there.

LexLuther

08-21-05, 16:05

Here is a story about yet another of the federal busts called "Operation White Spider" that has targeted Korean Amps all over the USA since 1997.

By calling this "Human Trafficing" instead of "Prostitution Busts" for selling sex in a massage parlor, huge amounts of federal dollars become available to local governments. Expect more in the current climate of RW hysteria.

http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=060000&biid=2005070491478

The interesting thing is that some of the girls who work in these massage parlors are "undocumented aliens." There is a provision under the immigration laws of this country to give special treatment to victims of human trafficking. However although they are saying that these spas/parlors are examples of human trafficking, the girls working there (if caught) would not be given this advantage. The gov't wants to have it's cake and eat it too.

LexLuther

USTraveller

09-01-05, 06:19

at the International Sex Guide (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1082#post380989)

http://www.zippyvideos.com/157055341260195.html
http://www.zippyvideos.com/64189313261165.html

http://www.zippyvideos.com/10372915261795.html
http://www.zippyvideos.com/112866467262185.html
http://www.zippyvideos.com/164593973262415.html
http://www.zippyvideos.com/115017720262695.html

For those of you who don't check the International Forum, these are some great videos. My question mimics John Jr's, has anyone had anything like this at a USA AMP?

-USTraveller

Anderson

09-08-05, 16:21

Great nipples.

I don't think anybody would get a massage like this anywhere. I think it was done just for the video.

Scrodie

10-06-05, 03:13

For those of you who don't check the International Forum, these are some great videos. My question mimics John Jr's, has anyone had anything like this at a USA AMP?

The closest thing I have found was this past summer at Puja Spa in Rochester, NY (definitely nothing close to this in Vegas). The masseuse at Puja, who's named "Pepsicola" used her nude body to "wash me" in a jacuzzi before leading me to the massage table. I wrote a review of it in the Rochester, NY section. If I'm ever back in upstate NY, I'm there again.

Aurora Bo

10-06-05, 13:00

I just moved here from the big city. There is a lot of legit massage here for a great price, but I haven't found anything in the way of AMP. I miss it a lot.

I don't think many folks here have discovered craigslist yet, either.

There is a 'Nails and Spa' place nearby, but I'm not sure whether it works that way out here. I guess I just have to start getting out there and find out - LE cracks down pretty bad on MPs so anywhere around here will have a super low profile from what I hear.

Scrodie

10-21-05, 20:27

For those of you who don't check the International Forum, these are some great videos. My question mimics John Jr's, has anyone had anything like this at a USA AMP?

In Washington, DC recently, I had an experience quite similar to the one in the vid. This experience is up there with my previously noted experience in Rochester, NY. I posted this in the DC forums, but I went to Sun Spa, which is right across the street from the MCI Center. The masseuse used her soapy, nude body to "scrub" me in the table shower. I paid less for FS there than I've paid for HJs in other places. According to the reports in the DC forums, there are other AMPs there offering similar services. Finally, something good comes out of our nations's capital.

USTraveller

10-24-05, 23:52

If I ever find myself in Rochester or Washington DC, I'm definitely looking for these places. Thanks Scrodie!

-USTraveller

Best Tx Monger

11-01-05, 21:37

If you are planning to come her to Dallas don't even ponder about going to a AMP. There are decoy cops all over and recently, seven parlors got busted and shut down. Over $300K confiscated in cash !!!!

The investigation had been going on over 8 months and decoys were sent in to scout the area. I don't know how things are in other cities but I am sure that LE is aware of the smuggling of women. Eventhough I am not agains the AMP thing, I am against woman doing things against their will.

-007

Wsph7

11-03-05, 19:05

Be gentle! I have read this entire thread, and I have some basic naive questions that I didn't see answered, in preparation for my first time to an AMP.

What, exactly, is a table shower? Simply a table in a shower, where I lie on the table for a scrub-down?

I get the idea that getting naked quick is essential. To & from the TS, am I walking (possibly at attention) down a public corridor naked?

I think I understand that the masseuse is not naked, at least to start. Is this ever a published option on the legit menu?

I want to work my way into this slowly, so I only want/expect a HJ the first time. When you talk about "extras" I am not sure whether you mean something more than a HJ. At this type of place, is a HJ assumed (although obviously unstated) to be part of the basic service; or do "extras" include a HJ?

What are the chances (0%, I hope) that I could go to a place that is discussed on my local board, see that it fits the description (secure entry, etc.), and then make a bad assumption that insults the girl? For instance, touching her politely, but with intention, on the thigh and finding out she really isn't into that and getting into big trouble.

Thanks for all the good info so far and for any more help you can give me.

Bubbaneedsit

11-04-05, 18:22

What, exactly, is a table shower? Simply a table in a shower, where I lie on the table for a scrub-down?

I get the idea that getting naked quick is essential. To & from the TS, am I walking (possibly at attention) down a public corridor naked?

I think I understand that the masseuse is not naked, at least to start. Is this ever a published option on the legit menu?

At this type of place, is a HJ assumed (although obviously unstated) to be part of the basic service; or do "extras" include a HJ?

For instance, touching her politely, but with intention, on the thigh and finding out she really isn't into that and getting into big trouble.You're right on about the table shower. / You will be given a towel to wrap around yourself to walk down the corridor. / No. / HJ is an "extra". / A casual brush against the thigh will not get you into trouble. If you rest it there for more than a second she'll either quickly brush it aside, or more move against it letting you know you're ok to try something a bit more brazen.

Jannisary

11-04-05, 19:10

A table shower is just what you figured. You lay down, they scrub your back, shoulders, legs etc. and then you roll over and they scrub your frontside too. In my experiences the girls have always been dressed, sometimes pretty skimply but always had something on.

Yep, getting naked quick is essential. If you hesitate they might get suspicious. Some places provide robes you can wear but I'd suggest against that. First, you don't know how clean the robe is and secondly the more "comfortable" with the situation you look the less suspicious they'll be of you. I just wrap the provided towel around my waist. After a few minutes she will come back in to the room and lead you down the hall to the table shower room. The girls are smart enough to keep the hallway clear while you are in it. Lots of times I've heard other people in the amp but I've yet to actually see anyone besides the girls.

In my neck of the woods, hj's are extra. She'll ask what you want, just tell her.

If you go to a place that has been reviewed on this board then insulting the girl won't be a problem. Start with some verbal play like complimenting her looks, tell her how sexy she is etc. and then let your hands do some wandering. Don't grab her tit or kitty straight off, but rub her leg, thigh, or arm. Even if she doesn't offer you extras, because of some reason or another she's not going to be insulted by you showing interest in her.

PsyberZombie

11-04-05, 19:28

I don't know how things are in other cities but I am sure that LE is aware of the smuggling of women. Eventhough I am not agains the AMP thing, I am against woman doing things against their will

Boy , am I *LUCKY* to live in Rhode Island !!

Here , In·Door Prostitution is NOT Il·legal

.... but the 'Powers That Be' are try·ing to change All That =

**** Detectives arrest two massage parlor managers ****

The police say Central Health and Midori Spa are actually houses of prostitution.

01:00 AM EST on Friday, November 4, 2005

BY ELIZABETH GUDRAIS
Journal Staff Writer

PROVIDENCE -- The detective arrived, complaining of pain in his lower back and asking for a massage. He got one -- but he also got an offer of sex for $200, the police said.

Detectives arrested two women yesterday at separate businesses -- one off Douglas Avenue, the other downtown -- for permitting massages to be given without a license.

The police say the businesses, Central Health and the Midori Spa, are really houses of prostitution. There are close to a dozen such businesses in the city, according to Lt. Thomas A. Verdi. Because indoor prostitution is legal in Rhode Island, the most the police can do is to bust the businesses for giving massages without a license.

"We're going to do it weekly until these houses of prostitution either close their doors, or we close them legally," Verdi, who heads the Narcotics & Organized Crime Division, said last night.

The state Department of Health regulates massage parlors, restaurants and beaches -- 8,000 facilities with a staff of 12 inspectors, according to Ernest M. Julian, chief of the food protection office.

In July, the General Assembly passed a law requiring people seeking massage licenses to undergo criminal background checks and fingerprinting, and prohibiting convicted sex offenders from obtaining licenses. Legislators said the law would make it easier to crack down on brothels calling themselves massage parlors, but they stopped short of passing a bill that would have criminalized indoor prostitution.

Verdi says he'll push for reintroduction of the measure when the new legislative session begins in January.

Until then, Verdi said his division is working with the city solicitor's office to encourage -- and, if necessary, to force -- landlords to break leases of businesses that employ unlicensed massage therapists.

The two women arrested yesterday were Young He Helgran, 49, the manager of Central Health, at 76 Derry St.; and Hyon Suk Bivians, 42, the manager of Midori Spa, at 112 Union St.

Bivians was charged with the same offense, a misdemeanor, in May. This time, the police also charged her with maintaining a common nuisance.

Helgran lives at 54 Clyde St., Pawtucket, according to the arrest report. Bivians' arrest report gives her address as 112 Union St., the same as the spa.

At Central Health, where the detective said he had been offered sex for $200, the report said he seized a "confidential health history form" with a diagram of the body that directed, "Circle any areas of tension."

At Midori Spa, the detective paid $60 and received a massage, the report said. It said the worker then asked, "You want this?" and simulated masturbation, adding that it would cost another $60.

The police visited both businesses yesterday around noon. The workers who allegedly made the offers of sex were not charged.

Verdi said the two managers were being held at police headquarters, where they were to have appeared last night before a bail commissioner.

At Midori Spa, detectives found a woman lying on a couch with her feet wrapped in bandages, suffering from a serious infection, Verdi said. The woman, Mi Ja Santoro, 44, was taken to Rhode Island Hospital. A hospital spokesman said last night that she was not listed as a patient.

Source :

http://www.projo.com/metro/content/projo_20051104_massage4.2b49270.html

Bubbaneedsit

11-04-05, 19:29

I just wrap the provided towel around my waist. After a few minutes she will come back in to the room and lead you down the hall to the table shower room. The girls are smart enough to keep the hallway clear while you are in it. Lots of times I've heard other people in the amp but I've yet to actually see anyone besides the girls.Taking this one step further; I stand there next to the table completely nude awaiting her return and let her hand me a towel or assist in covering me up. It conveys to her immediately that you have nothing to hide.:D

Wsph7

11-07-05, 15:26

I made my first visit to an AMP today. I made a full report over in the Orlando section.

With only HR expectations, the only disappointment was her no-touchy rule. She wore slacks, shirt and bra through the whole time. My attempts to get at the good parts were firmly rebuffed.

Assume that only a $.4 tip is anticipated. Are there any tips on how to get some touchy-touchy? Or, does that tip/service level usually mean she is going to keep clothed the whole time?

On a similar subject, the HR is usually plent for me, since although I would love a BBBJ, health concerns limit me to CBJ's. And I feel like a CBJ is no better than an uncovered HJ, so I stay at the lower price range. I am getting to my question. Russian is a nice alternative that I would pay more for. But, I never see it discussed at AMP's. I can guess one reason is that many or most of the therapists simply don't have the equipment to engage in Russian. Has anyone gotten Russian?

Adashe

11-13-05, 12:31

What ever this is worth. I have been going to amps for probably 12 - 15 yrs. I am not aware of any of the girls being held against their will. I have met many of the girls outside of the amps and "dated" several. I have ask them if their was a problem and why some of them were doing this type of work. All of the time it is because of the fast money. They come here because of husband - many times married over there to get to come to the US. Divorce the guy and want money. They could get a job in a restaurant or something like that but because of their lack of skills or language, but like they say, they could barely make a living. Most are very materialistic. I think they get a feeling of belonging by having the material things that are associated with success. I am not totally naive, I know there are some instances where they came here any way they could, so they probably owe someone something. To them it is just a means to an end. Many of these women are older and have been left alone her and are just doing what they can to survive. They don't seem to be as moralistic as we are.I have meet many of the younger girls that have families here and have decided to this - again for the money. Many have family's that need money. Most of the money seems to go back to Korea or to their family here.
At times I wonder if I am a predator, taking advantage of their situation. I have always treated them with respect, and have been very genourous. I know some guys will fault me for that, but maybe, or probably it eases my conscience. Some of the owners that I have met and gotten to know are of the mindset that they are giving these girls a chance to earn the money that they want. They tell me that they never worry about getting girls to work because they are so many willing to work. I have ask about the reports of these girls being held against their will, and I was told that is the storyline when these girls get busted or they have a grudge against someone. Many do like the areas where the guys seem to be nicer. Some of the larger cities many guys have the attitude that this is just business (and it is). They tend to be rough and pushy. In my city I have heard many of the girls say that the guys they meet here are really nice (or are better liars).

I think that this is just like anything else - there are those that are willing to provide a service for a fee. Free enterprise. The American way.
Thanks.

Wsph7

11-13-05, 21:54

I wonder,

Do the girls think they an engaged in immoral activities, or is this considered acceptable is their culture?

Adashe

11-14-05, 10:53

They know right from wrong. Most have been exposed to religion of some kind. From what I have heard from most of the girls is that if they had another way of making that kind of money they would probably do it. They are definitely raised to know that is wrong. It is not socially acceptable in their culture. It is understood among their peers that it is necessary in order to survive and make money.As far as a committed relationship sex is to be enjoyed and it is their thinking that is is important to make their mate happy and satisfied. It is a myth that asian women are subservient to their man. They are like most other women - quid pro quo.

Sgt Soros

11-14-05, 18:17

Jake Monger

11-24-05, 10:27

I refer AMP's to any other type of action, and I have NEVER had an experience like in the videos. The closest I have come to that is the girl rubbed me all over with her tits once we were back in the room and I was face down for the massage.

Some of the other posts said you can get that type of massage in the video from Washington DC. All I can say is, I'm buying a ticket! LOL

Thanks John!

Kornheiser

11-26-05, 23:03

Scrodie

12-10-05, 21:23

The following is a totally subjective "grading" of US cities based on the quality of the AMPs. My primary criteria would be quality of massage, sensuality of massage, extras and cost. I've been to at least one AMP in each city below and have read reviews of other AMPs in the city.

A:

A - Washington, DC - Nearly Bangkok experience. Great body-to-body massage and table shower, around the world sex and well worth every dollar.

A - Rochester, NY - Also nearly Bangkok experience. Body-to-body massage in jacuzzi, around the world and worth every dollar.

B:

B - Boise, ID - There are only a few, but they keep this small mountain city happy. Good table shower, erotic and thorough massage, FS. Among the cheaper places, too.

B - Denver, CO - They have websites where they have "no tip" package deals for TS, Massage, FS. Massage was kind of brief. The prices are reasonable. A local news station there just did an "expose'" of them, so I don't know how long they'll last.

B- - Houston, TX - If there is a massage, it will last two minutes. FS is assured. Affordable, but rushed.

C:

C - Las Vegas, NV - There are a lot of AMPs, but most offer nothing beyond HJ. They're pricey, as they cater to the tourists. Masseuse rarely gets nude. I go to them fairly frequently, and have had some good times there.

C - Atlanta, GA - I've only been to a couple, but got nothing beyond a HJ, with upselling. I prefer the Brasilian places in Atlanta, which I would give an A.

C - Gulfport/Biloxi/Pascagoula, MS - I had great experiences at one in Pascagoula, but only bad ones at a place in Biloxi. There was one in Ocean Springs that was good. These places have to contend with local holier-than-thou law enforcement, so they're inconsistent.

?:

? - New Orleans, LA - "Back in the day" they would get an A-. Almost anything would go, and the prices were cheap. I had some good times there. I have heard, however, that law enforcement there decided to close a lot of them down, so I'm not sure how they would be today.

? - Nashville, TN - I only went to one, but had a great time. I had a young masseuse who was being trained by an older one (69). They would have been a B, minimum. However, I have heard that law enforcement cracked down and shut most of them down.

? - Phoenix, AZ - I have never been to a Phoenix AMP. I have been to a regular massage studio where the ladies (primarily BBWs) know how to treat a man.

? - Madison, WI - There is a sort of massage studio (there might be a second) that is effectively a brothel. They start with a massage and then anything goes. The time I went the girl was not Asian.

xray9

01-24-06, 20:46

Now there is a place for a good massage experience. Go to thereviewboard.net and check out sensual touch links. They have tanta temples that offer the best rubdown with the slowest longest HJ ever. It is awesome.

Search for Galen and Violet. I have seen both and can't wait to get back there.

Btroffded

01-24-06, 22:53

Adashe,

Can you elaborate about "dating" girls outside the AMP? What advantages were there to seeing them outside the parlor? Did they provide more "service"? Was much of it just knowing them more socially? What were their expectations?

I've been going to the same Korean AMP for several months now, and there are a couple of women there that I have gotten very comfortable with. I would like to see outside the parlor but have never approached doing anything like that before.

In fact, if anyone else here has "dated" AMP girls, I would like to hear about your experiences as well.

I used to date a couple of LAMP girls. One for 3 years in fact (engaged too). It started out at just being "buddies" but then when I asked "so who else do you recommend" (because I saw two other girls before I met her) - she got upset and told me "you should not ask me that question" After a few weeks - back to buddies.

The first 2 times I saw her outside were "dates" and some $ was exchanged, after that no money was exchanged. Although I would pop in sometimes the LAMP and request her, sometimes I would give her money there.

I guess it all depends on the girl. At some point she worked at a hostess club and even offered to take me there and pick a girl to take home, but that never happened. Not that she didn't want to go through with it, it was just that I had a stripper (black) friend that I tried bring in instead of the two latinas.

One of the girls did not invite me over until she felt "safe" with me - which means several times at the LAMP, then it was just her place to avoid paying the house - plus no shower there (at least at the LAMP I used to go to).

As a regular, I would just start by asking simple questions - like how is it working with the managers. If you sense that she's not happy with paying the house too much, then suggust bypassing house by going to your place. Most of the times the girls would just mention "oh I have to go to another stupid meeting" - where the managers would tell them how to get more money out of customers. These girls were obviously not happy - but then again, I've only dated a few girls from a place that has been out of business for years, so my knowledge is limited to that 1 - and maybe dated.

Third Eye

06-13-06, 02:10

Need some advice... I've been going to Thai style AMPs here in the Seattle area, and have been satisfied with the standard service so far. For example, a nice massage w happy ending (HJ) for .8. I also find it cool (at the Thai places, unlike Korean) that the fee is hardly mentioned and simply left in a basket or on a shelf. However, I'd like to try to see if more is available. I've joked around with the girls and hinted, but these places are very careful and discreet, and so far I get the reply that they don't do that. I'm considering simply laying out a large tip of $ or more up front but that's a pretty expensive experiment. Any thoughts on strategery? Specifically, how to find out if more is on the menu?

3rdI

Iamme Iam

06-24-06, 10:07

I have only been denied extra's once, that was a first time outside Atlanta. I find leaving the cash with my glasses on the table helpful to relay the idea. If you added a condom to this small pile, it would give an idea of what you are looking for. Wouldn't hurt to try,at worse all you will get is the usual and an explanation.Last time I asked what to bring for a tip if I wanted FS, the girl said $200 quietly. You can try this also. Good luck.

Need some advice... I've been going to Thai style AMPs here in the Seattle area, and have been satisfied with the standard service so far. For example, a nice massage w happy ending (HJ) for .8. I also find it cool (at the Thai places, unlike Korean) that the fee is hardly mentioned and simply left in a basket or on a shelf. However, I'd like to try to see if more is available. I've joked around with the girls and hinted, but these places are very careful and discreet, and so far I get the reply that they don't do that. I'm considering simply laying out a large tip of $ or more up front but that's a pretty expensive experiment. Any thoughts on strategery? Specifically, how to find out if more is on the menu?

3rdI

USTraveller

07-08-06, 03:03

...I've joked around with the girls and hinted, but these places are very careful and discreet, and so far I get the reply that they don't do that. I'm considering simply laying out a large tip of $ or more up front but that's a pretty expensive experiment. Any thoughts on strategery? Specifically, how to find out if more is on the menu?
I can see a few things happening here:

1) They don't do more than a HJ.

2) They offer more, but since you're joking around and hinting at more, they may not think you're serious, especially if your money is already in the basket. Try just saying "BJ" or mimic the BJ motion to see what they say.

3) Money talks. Try laying out more than $80 and see what happens. Try $100 or $120 and see how far they take it. If you're a repeat customer, more may likely happen. Increase the amount for FS.

4) The Condom is a nice touch. Bringing your own shows them you mean business.

My thought is, once they are giving you HJ, they are pretty sure you're not a cop. If they did offer more, they'd probably be willing to let you in on it so they can make more $$$. Of course, I've been wrong before, but that's my hunch.

-USTraveller

Third Eye

07-08-06, 21:46

Thanks to rn123 and USTraveller for their suggestions. Using your sage advice, I've made progress in AMPs in other towns. Here in the Seattle area, mileage seems to be partly a function of location--some towns are stricter than others. In case you're in the area or visiting, I've been posting my findings in the Seattle MP forum.

Thanks again!
3rdI

Iamme Iam

07-18-06, 16:34

I wondered. Has anyone ever given an AMP worker a massage? I find complete flexibility with the woman at the place I go to in Providence, RI. Today I had a nude HJ, and had her sit between my legs, I enjoy wrapping my legs around her waist. All for an $80 tip.

I also have tried having the TS at the end. After the massage. And having a HJ in the shower. This was enjoyable and I haven't tried it lately, but I shall give it some thought for next time.

Bighawg11

07-22-06, 23:53

The TS places near me prefer doing it before...its a way for them to inspect you for signs of problems (ie, hygiene, "illnesses") and to insure that they are comfortable with later services.

The few times I've had one afterwards the MT was hellbent on getting to the next, er, client and didn't allow for any contact.

YMMV, of course.

I was walked in on during my last TS by a 2nd MT and was ready to pay for a trade! The language barrier at the Asian places is a distinct challenge for me!

Iamme Iam

07-23-06, 16:16

To Larry,

I was finished and resting after an enjoyable time at my recently favorite AMP, you were in a booth, I hope only next door. I heard everything you said. So, for all the Larry's out there.

1. If you are visiting an AMP for the first time, please read and follow suggestions on line for newbies. And keep your voice down.

2. AMP workers have quite a variation in language skill...so don't assume they understand you when you meet.

3. Larry, do not tell the staff this is your first time at an AMP, and mentioning the internet ad, is never a great idea. If someone with excellent language skills asks where you heard about them, you are better off telling them a friend goes all the time and recomended the AMP. Telling an AMP worker its your first time may limit what you can expect for extra's.

4. Again read all the online suggestions, especially about getting undressed as soon as you are told to. Casually standing nude until the girl returns to bring you for a TS sends a message. She will wrap a towel around you for the walk.

Yesterday I followed these suggestions with a new SW, she came back into the room to tell me that the TS room was busy... and since I was standing nude, she accepted the situation at face value and showed me her ass and breasts and then rubbed against me for about 5 minutes while we chatted and waited to go for a TS... without a tip out yet.

To Bighawg11,

Thanks for the response. I have tried many ways with my AMP experiences. Looking for a more enjoyable experience. I agree on the cleaning being about inspection. My favorite girl cleans some areas more because of my specific likes. I was interested in how other guys have changed things up, for a new experience.

Third Eye

07-25-06, 02:25

I wondered. Has anyone ever given an AMP worker a massage? I find complete flexibility with the woman at the place I go to in Providence, RI.

Funny you should ask, on my last visit I was conversing with an AMP worker with limited English language skill so I kept to very simple questions. Eventually I asked "you like to get massages?" to which she responded very positively. In fact within a minute she asked "Now you massage me?" I jumped on that because I am the master of sensual massage. Got her all lotioned up and worked her over for 15 min or so. After that it's all a blur.

I would do that again.

BTW, rn123, I used to live in the Boston area. I never partook of the services there (though I recall the infamous Golden Banana), but I understand from reading the Boston posts that Providence is the place to get some. Is that true? I never saw any street action the whole time I lived in Boston but then I avoided the combat zone.

3rdI

Call Me Booger

07-25-06, 15:20

There have been some AMP busts recently in one of the areas that I monger (Roselle IL). A small group of us got to chatting about the busts and what happens if you are there at the time. Has this ever happened to anyone? Any consequences?

And not to completely break up the thread, I usually ask to massage the girl between the cbj and cfs. Gives me a little time to cool down for the main event.

Boog

Pictraders69

07-25-06, 17:02

I was in the mood to check out my favorite massage videos, only to discover that the site could not be found? Does anyone know of a new location for the Thai bath videos posted on here last year?

I tried to save the originals but had the same results when I tried to open the files. A new source for these videos would be much appreciated for anyone that has never had the pleasure (which is most of us, lol) of a first class A+++ massage!

Here are the addresses of the original postings.

Originally Posted by John Jr
at the International Sex Guide

http://www.zippyvideos.com/157055341260195.html
http://www.zippyvideos.com/64189313261165.html

http://www.zippyvideos.com/10372915261795.html
http://www.zippyvideos.com/112866467262185.html
http://www.zippyvideos.com/164593973262415.html
http://www.zippyvideos.com/115017720262695.html

Odysseus 46

07-30-06, 14:31

If I get to know a lady at an AMP, I often give massages. First of all, it's good for building the relationship and getting past the formalities. Second, most really like it. They do work hard all day and must give a lot, so I think it means a lot to them when the customer is understanding and generous and considerate.
Third, it almost always pays off in better service then or down the road.
And, if you like a lady enough to play with her and enjoy her spirit, as well as her body, it only makes sense to make her feel better by giving her a massage and a break.
Funny me, I like relationships with these women almost as much as I like what we do together.

O 46

Iamme Iam

08-01-06, 16:24

I was visiting my favorite lady at an AMP this weekend and asked her how she would describe various Asian women. Note she's Korean. She said Korean women were typically greedy, Chinese women were mostly selfish and Japanese women very motherly. I've seen her several times and she's not here against her will and enjoys giving massages. She has a car and drives around quite abit. This particular Amp is closed on Sunday for a through cleaning by a janitorial crew. Unfortunately for me her partner had the day off and so I did not get my favorite 4 handed massage. I have not had a bad experience at an AMP, I generally avoid the younger ladies and stick to ladies in their 30's and 40's.I would be interested in how 2 AMP's work together? With caucasian FS escorts, I have had a 2 and once 3 girls, (but, that's a whole different story). There is the whole (Asian) ethnic difference and I assume it would depend on what you wanted, HR vs. FS? Could you please explain your thoughts and experiences on the total concept. Don't get me wrong, I think multiple partners is fun a few times, but I guess in the end I would say it's not really worth double the cost,because it just didn't seem like double the fun.

But I await your opinion.

Bighawg11

08-07-06, 23:00

I had a session where the MP was training an associate. They wound up enjoying each other as much as I did, which made for a great, if not macabre, experience. I almost felt that they needed to tip ME!

Iamme Iam

09-29-06, 21:07

There are both Korean and Chinese AMP's in Providence R.I., wondered if anyone has enough knowledge of the hobby to comment on the differences between the world of Asian choices.

SpiceyDig

10-01-06, 07:09

There are both Korean and Chinese AMP's in Providence R.I., wondered if anyone has enough knowledge of the hobby to comment on the differences between the world of Asian choices.Korean - Most Korean AMPS are clean, you get a quality TS, quality in the girls, and they offer FS.1-.14.

Chinese- The only one in Providence that I know is the wellness center on branch ave. Not clean and girls may offer FS, girls have bad attitide, if you get FS you better bring your own condom. FS.08-.11.

I prefer the korean AMPS, Best in providence goes as follows

Downtown(has repopend)
Madori(has reopned)
CH
Apple(I think it may be closed this spot is a last resort)

If you are regular to the same place, you get better negoatation when it comes to FS, often the mama san will cut you a door break if you go more than 1 time a week.

Double Nickle

10-01-06, 15:58

Or I have a hickie on my dickie.

I have never gotten any sexually transmitted disease from a massage parlor provider (my first visit was 1974). However, I have been scratched and bitten.

At an american massage parlor named Xanadu in Waterbury, Connecticut (long since burned down) I was a regular of Tanya. She was a gorgeous slim young lady with enormous natural boobs. One day only one girl was available. I had seen her there for a long time although she was, to be charitable, plain as far as looks went. I figured I would try her out thinking maybe she had some fantastic skills to make up for her looks. Wrong. Massage and FS were crude and uninspiring. She did dig her nails unmercifully into my back. I hope she enjoyed it because it did nothing for me. After completion she asked me if I wanted to go again. I said, "sure," but after I found duplication of the original payment was wanted, I declined. The asian massage parlor providers do not seem to be into scratching. They probably do not want to damage their nails.

An early summer raid shut down the last Waterbury massage parlors this year. At the time there were 10, all Korean. I had tried all 10 and enjoyed each one, although I had a couple of favorites. Not too long before the closings I visited Evergreen. The Korean girl bit the hell out of my nipples while we were humping. I carried on, like the Praying Mantis who continues sex even after the female has bitten off his head (the one with eyes on it). But afterwards I looked closely at my nipples to make sure they hadn't been bitten off. (They survive intact to this day). She was the hardest biter to date but I've had a fair number of AMP girls bite me, particularly on the nipples. (I like to pull on their nipples with my lips, but I don't get my teeth involved).

Currently, I am hors d'combatte (out of service). An AMP provider not only teethed on my nipples, but also gave my cock a lovebite. In this case it all actually felt good, but later I discovered a break in the skin on my foreskin. So I plan to wait until it is all healed over. I don't think there will be any scar. I am constantly examining my cock closely in the meantime - otherwise it looks perfectly healthy.

Never mind the name of the AMP. I don't think law enforcement cares about AMPs where nipples are mouthed. I don't think they go for RNT places. But I'm generally trying to be a bit more discrete in places where any (even covered) contact between my peter and pussy lips or other lips might occur.

LurkingDog

10-23-06, 23:17

Double Nickel,

Sorry about your war wounds. I, too, had frequented a number of the Waterbury AMPs and almost always had a wonderful time -- a good strategy is never to expect too much. If you do this, what you get almost always exceeds expectations. I was recently in town and was heartbroken to learn of the shut down (as I hadn't been keeping up with the CT boards after my move). It was very sad.

Bullshit

10-24-06, 14:43

Not sure if i can top anyone but i got one that hurt like hell.

I asked a massage girl for Russian and she was fine with it, but sometimes for a hj i dont like when they use oil or lotion, so i asked her to spit a few times when i was going.

Well i forgot to keep telling her to spit lube me up because i was way to in to it to do any thinking.

After i got home and into the shower, my whole head(you know witch one) was raw and on fire! Man Down! Man Down! I was out of the game for a little over 2 weeks.

Grate Big

10-24-06, 15:56

After i got home and into the shower, my whole head(you know witch one) was raw and on fire! Man Down! Man Down! I was out of the game for a little over 2 weeks.I, too, had a massage-based problem. After the shower, the masseuse didn't rinse all of the soap from my butt crack. My ass urt for three days.

Bullshit

10-25-06, 19:58

From the Soap? That can happen? WTF?

Mongerloid

11-10-06, 19:26

Hey guys,

I'm thinking about using this service out of curiosity. Do you think this is the real deal, or is this just what it says it is?

http://asheville.craigslist.org/ths/230508466.html

Bullshit

11-19-06, 12:10

Any CL Ad without a phone number i tend to stay away from. When I first found CL and emailed a few post with no phone numbers, I got so much crap in my inbox and was email bombed a few times.

Cant say for a 100% it was because of my replying, but most likely. Im sure there are girls on CL who just dont want to give out there number, but most of the time it just to get you email or some one pulling a joke.

Mongerloid

11-19-06, 21:15

Thanks for the reply. She did send me a pic, but I just wasn't feeling right about it.

Any CL Ad without a phone number i tend to stay away from. When I first found CL and emailed a few post with no phone numbers, I got so much crap in my inbox and was email bombed a few times.

Cant say for a 100% it was because of my replying, but most likely. Im sure there are girls on CL who just dont want to give out there number, but most of the time it just to get you email or some one pulling a joke.

Grate Big

11-20-06, 10:29

Thanks for the reply. She did send me a pic, but I just wasn't feeling right about it.It sounds like fun, anyway. I wonder if she massages your prostate while therapeutically holding your penis in her throat?

Mongerloid

11-20-06, 19:36

Of course, that's what I was hoping for.

It sounds like fun, anyway. I wonder if she massages your prostate while therapeutically holding your penis in her throat?

Hairball

11-23-06, 10:33

Gents,
In my experience a prostate massage theraputic or sensual has to be done by some one who knows what they are doing. If done correctly a sensual type can be the best load you will ever shot and is theraputic as a bonus. Do a search for tantric goddess to get some info but is big bucks for a monger on a budget. Lots of lube mandatory and glove in case of hang nails. I once found a no name regular massage chick that was a registered nurse also that needed cash and was on the rag so offered it to me. Since I had never even heard of it at the time was way courious so went for it. !st step is to be really clean also a part of the process I enjoy much like a table shower place would do. Then a regular massage giving lots of time to warm up and be fully aroused before beginning. This by the way is a 2 hour process by a goddess. Once ready to start and in a good position she asks you to comment on how every move is working. If doing it to my liking she strokes with one hand and very slowly inserts a finger. It is a very good way to prolong load release so it is a stroke some insert some combo untill she reaches the prostate for the actual massage. By now I am in love with this woman and the final release shot all over her very ample breast. Before you ask she moved and I lost contact but will never forget this experience. I have had a few AMP ladies try but they do not understand the whole concept. Yes we do have a G-spot!

Fission06

11-26-06, 06:21

The prostate massage is very real. Some guys get all homophobic when they hear it but don't knock it until you've tried it. If done right, it feels so damn good. I read somewhere that that is what they used to do to soldiers in the old days (civil war or around then) when they were injured. I can't recall all of the details. Either way, it feels damn good.

Thinkstoomuch

03-05-07, 22:46

Double Nickle

03-15-07, 20:31

...So, my question: is there a simple way to determine which "normal" massage therapists might be open to happy endings, and is there a non-offensive way to find out?...
An ad in the paper is a good sign. That at least indicates they are looking for off the street clients, not just referrals from doctors and chiropractors. Tip offs in the ad are if they mention young female masseuses, relaxation, stress release, table shower, or have a sexy picture. Some of these may also be found at a legitimate place though. I suppose one could call up and ask about draping protocols. If underwear must be worn at all times its almost certainly not our kind of place.

When in a massage parlor, whether almost certainly "legitimate," or almost certainly "happy ending," you need to listen very carefully. I just went to an AMP and a legitimate spa, both in San Diego, and got a very similar question near the end of each. At the legitimate spa I was told, "you have a little time left." I was then asked, if I remember correctly, "Is there anywhere you would like massaged again?" At the AMP I was asked, "Is there anywhere else you would like massaged?" One word makes all the difference. At the AMP everything had been massaged except for cock, balls, and anus. So I pointed to the only place else and got my happy ending. At the legitimate spa, of course, cock, balls and anus had not been massaged, so they could not have been massaged "again." If I heard her wrong though I might have missed a real treat.
Double Nickle

Real Lmt

03-31-07, 13:37

I live in an area where we simply don't have any AMPS - the closest would require something like 5 hours to get there and back, before even thinking about the session itself.

So, my question: is there a simple way to determine which "normal" massage therapists might be open to happy endings, and is there a non-offensive way to find out? I'm guessing the ones that aren't officially licensed yet would be more likely prospects than those working at day spas, but don't really know.

Anyone have any luck this way? I'm just looking for that final bit of relaxation at the end of a session, not any real extras.I really just don't understand this type of thinking. There's one important factor in the AMP establishments and what you can get there: THEY'RE NOT MASSAGE THERAPISTS. They ARE prostitutes using "massage" as an excuse to have naked men in a room and advertise to get them there.

DoubleNickel is helping you to determine which massage ads and places are actually not "normal" massage therapists, but sex workers hiding behind the terms of bodywork.

Massage therapists are trained professionals. Why would you think they're more "open" to prostitution than the woman who cuts your hair? Or your waitress? Or your bank teller? Or a female doctor? What causes anyone to think that a professional woman is just waiting for the right code word to prostitute herself?

NO, there is no non-offensive way to suggest to a "normal" (READ: REAL) massage therapist that you suspect she might actually be a prostitute.

Thinkstoomuch

04-01-07, 22:11

Thanks, Double Nickel. I'll keep my ears open.

Massage therapists are trained professionals. Why would you think they're more "open" to prostitution than the woman who cuts your hair? Or your waitress? Or your bank teller? Or a female doctor? What causes anyone to think that a professional woman is just waiting for the right code word to prostitute herself?I'd think they're open to happy endings because I've received them in non-AMPs before, without any prompting on my part (other than the erection). My problem here is consistency -- same legitimate "therapeutic" establishment, same time of day, same day of the week, different provider, one winks and goes ahead without prompting (including, in one case, the manager of the place rather than an underling with the comment "I always do that"), one gets offended (as you did).

I'll keep looking locally. Sorry if my question upset anyone -- I'm just here to try and learn and share.

Double Nickle

04-02-07, 15:16

In the March 2007 issue of Massage magazine an article on spas indicates that in 2005 the US spa business had revenue of 9.7 billion. There were 131 million spa visits...

There is a lot of money involved in bodywork. The above figures are just for spas and don't include bodyworkers unaffiliated with spas. It also has strange bedfellows. Politicians regulate them and raid them. Even a massage parlor without extras could be raided for health or building code violations, state licensing violations, harboring illegal aliens, tax evasion, etc. Lawyers may ardently defend them, or passionately prosecute them. Doctors may utilize their services as complementary to medical treatment; or they may hound them for practicing medicine without a license or such.

Some religions think people should be covered neck to ankle at all times (exceptions only for specifically propagating the species, and for hygiene) - and forget having a man and a woman alone behind closed doors if they are not married to each other. The fiercest battles may be between different branches of bodywork though.

Not long ago the American Medical Association was engaged in an all out attack on chiropractors. They may not have done any harm, and perhaps they even did some good, but they were supposedly guilty of the horrendous crime of practicing medicine without a license. Fortunately the AMA is not all powerful and chiropractic seems to be securely established as a legitimate discipline today. But because of medical propaganda many people still refer to chiropractors as "those quacks."

During the last quarter century Korean Massage Parlors came to totally dominate the sensual/erotic massage market. Did they do this by lobbying for political clout? Not hardly. They developed a standardized low cost high quality product. A smiling sexily clad lady would give you a table shower, a decent massage - hard or soft - and usually three options of extras. They were scrupulously clean and used condoms for anything beyond hand relief. They have become the McDonalds of rub and tug, of massage with happy endings. They have come under heavy attack in the last year by Federal, State, and Local Government. The charges tend to be unproven or unrelated to sex. It seems it is more of a control issue than a danger to public safety issue.

My phone book divides massage into two categories: therapeutic and non therapeutic. Sometimes the latter may be graced with other qualifiers such as sensual, adult, or relaxation. Note that it is not necessarily illegal. In Nevada and Rhode Island a sensual massage or body rub with full intercourse is legal. In other states a sensual bodyrub with both partners nude may be legal if no genital contact other than DIY (do it yourself) is made. Apparently bodywork with genital contact may be legal if it is for the purpose of helping a sexual dysfunction. Sexual Surrogate Therapy is definitely legal. Tantric sex is possibly legal because of religious and/or other constitutional protections.

Where does one draw the line between sensual and non sensual massage; between therapeutic and "non-therapeutic" massage (many would argue that the sex is therapeutic)? There is a clear dichotomy between the extremes. But if the entire spectrum is examined, a dividing line cannot be reasonably drawn. A therapeutic masseuse might give a relaxation massage which feels very sensual although no happy ending is given. In the same clinic one masseuse might be totally clinical, another might be playful and sexy (whether or not extras are given). A Chinese masseuse might be totally ho hum about giving hand relief considering it an integral part of the massage. But she might be totally indignant about a suggestion that a blowjob might be appreciated. President Clinton doesn't think a blowjob counts as sex. It certainly can be done without disturbing in the slightest a modestly clothed masseuses garments. Direct mouth or hand to genital contact can be avoided if the condom is carefully applied and certainly if latex gloves are worn.

But the middle ground and the most erotic extreme may be in danger. State after state is passing laws to stringently control massage. It is not to be given without a license. To get a license you have to join a large, powerful association that demands client and therapist be properly draped at all times. The relationship must be impersonal and clinical. Touching genitals is a big no no. Even out of the office personal relationships between patient and therapist may be forbidden. Even doctors don't have such strict rules. They certainly aren't barred from seeing or even touching the entire human body. One can't blame a therapist for objecting to behavior that might threaten her livelihood, but fie on the big brothers making the repressive rules.

For there are those such as myself who enjoy being nude even if the therapist is not and no sex is involved. There are those such as myself who enjoy the touch of a woman in shower or on the massage table whether or not the genitals are excluded, and even if mutual touching is excluded. There are those such as myself who believe that a business relationship need not be a bar to an open, casual friendship. And there are those such as myself who appreciate any extras without exerting undue pressure and who treat the masseuse with dignity and respect whatever extra services are given or not given.

Double Nickle. I like foreplay before sex. By far the best foreplay is a good massage.

Real Lmt

04-02-07, 19:53

I'd think they're open to happy endings because I've received them in non-AMPs before, without any prompting on my part (other than the erection). My problem here is consistency -- same legitimate "therapeutic" establishment, same time of day, same day of the week, different provider, one winks and goes ahead without prompting (including, in one case, the manager of the place rather than an underling with the comment "I always do that"), one gets offended (as you did).I'd argue that you didn't receive them in "legitimate therapeutic establishments" because how can they possibly BE legitimate if the workers are breaking the law? It's an oxymoron.

If they're offering you a happy ending for extra money, they're prostitutes. If the manager did it, then the manager is a prostitute. I'm not being naive...I know that women offer these services and claim to be MTs. But I'm in the business, and I know for a fact that the MTs that I work with and for are not offering such things.

What is unfortunate is that women and customers are forced by the ethics and legalities of our society to hide behind the terms of bodywork to avoid arrest. I have no problem with men and women getting together and exchanging money for whatever services they mutually agree upon behind a closed door. What I do have a problem with is the misconceptions brought on by women disguising sex work with the terminology of my profession.

The results?

My family jumping to the wrong conclusions when I started school for massage.

My boyfriend's friends giving him the elbow nudge about how he "knows what I <i>really</i> do, right?"

His ultra-conservative religious extended family worrying about his relationship with me.

Always having to be careful where I advertise, where I promote my business, who I hand my cards out to, etc.

Having to turn away possible paying clients that I've never met before, or who found me on the Internet because I'm afraid to be alone in my office with them.

Being solicited by clients. Having men put their hands on me in a sexual way.

Telling clients very specifically that I do not offer anything other than licensed therapeutic massage. And them thinking that still means they might get a handjob. Or that I am only saying that on the phone or my website to avoid suspicion from LE.

Being fearful of turning someone down and them reacting violently.

Women not wanting their partners to see massage therapists out of fear that they're really getting sexual services.

And on and on.

Maybe you'd think I was the prude here, what's the big deal? It's "relaxing", right? But would it be okay for your wife to be THAT kind of MT? Your daughter?

I'd love it if we could just be upfront and honest about what services are offered, and what services we are looking for. My preference is that a monger comes right out and asks me if I offer sexual/sensual services on the phone or in an email, so that I can just say no and be done with it. Unfortunately, that isn't the way the game is played, and massage therapists are the ones to suffer.

Thinkstoomuch

04-04-07, 12:36

If they're offering you a happy ending for extra money, they're prostitutes. If the manager did it, then the manager is a prostitute. I'm not being naive...I know that women offer these services and claim to be MTs. But I'm in the business, and I know for a fact that the MTs that I work with and for are not offering such things.I understand where you're coming from, and I can sympathize. Part of the reason behind my post is that I recognize that your position is mostly the norm, and I was trying to get some pointers on how to know whether a particular provider offers such a service as a lot of embarrassment (on both sides) can be avoided if there's a simple method.

(Note that no extra money was ever asked for, though I tend to tip a bit better and come back more frequently, and they likely know this without asking.)

I do appreciate a good massage with or without the happy ending, but if asked a leading question toward the end of the massage I'll answer as best I can and this can lead to uncomfortable situations (worse, I may have just found the best CMT in town, and if I've mistakenly interpreted their question on the end, should I go back? Would it be too weird for her? I don't know.)

Double Nickle

04-10-07, 11:18

Are you on a holy crusade or something? If you are a strictly legit LMT, well then why are you a member on this site?

Let me take full responsibility for Real LMT's presence. I posted her website on my list of Manhattan Massage Parlors with websites. I have no idea which website it is because the list is so long and contains so many different kinds of massage places (including similarly hidden RNT parlors). I am very glad to have her feedback though. Many of us like getting a really good massage in and of itself. If I go to a few AMPs in a row where I get no massage or a weak massage I'll develop an intense craving for a "real" massage, even if no happy ending is involved. Also, there are those of us who regularly TOFTT (take one for the team) and will go to a massage parlor that may be strictly "legitimate" or may be a place with "extras." We really need to know how to behave under those circumstances (especially some of us). Thirdly, those of us who want the best possible massage with the best possible ending need to know just what constitutes a good massage.

I actually invited Real LMT's input in my new Legitimate Massage and Other Bodywork thread. I've had a lot of massages, with and without happy endings. I've experienced other forms of bodywork. I have started putting down my experiences and knowledge of this topic. But it is a huge topic and I could really use some real experts. Real LMT is one and her feedback has not only educated me but also entertained me. She has put a lot of dough into getting educated in actual massage and she has to follow quite strict (but silly IMHO) legal guidelines or risk losing her livelihood.

OK, I like the AMPs where the K-girls come to the door in skimpy lingerie with no underwear and grab your crotch as soon as the door is closed. Real LMT is at the opposite side of the massage/bodyrub spectrum. She does medical massage that is prescribed by doctors for specific health concerns [excluding the limp dick syndrome]. Legitimate masseuses will often give their husband a special massage at home in their bedroom and legitimate nurses will often play naughty nursie at home in the bedroom. But both are constrained by legal and professional guidelines while at work in massage clinic or medical clinic. You might as well ask a nurse for a blowjob as a medical masseuse. There might even be rules against personal relationships with a client.

Sheesh, now you guys have gotten me all hot and bothered. Oh well, I think I can hang on until tomorrow when I have an appointment with a masseuse in the middle of the spectrum. She gives a great massage in regular clothes which she doesn't take off. But she also gives me a therapeutic release of certain excess bodily fluids, if you know what I mean.

Double Nickle

Bill Bradsky

04-10-07, 12:32

I'd love it if we could just be upfront and honest about what services are offered, and what services we are looking for. My preference is that a monger comes right out and asks me if I offer sexual/sensual services on the phone or in an email, so that I can just say no and be done with it. Unfortunately, that isn't the way the game is played, and massage therapists are the ones to suffer.

One way to be "up front" is to simply put a disclaimer in your ad and save everyone a lot of time.

I don't think a LMT making $80 an hour for rubbing oil on someone can be considered suffering. Few skilled nurses doing life and death procedures every day make that kind of money.

Many states don't even see a need to license a masseuse. The ones that do have a strong religious element in their legislatures imposing their beliefs on others.

IrishMale

04-10-07, 13:11

One way to be "up front" is to simply put a disclaimer in your ad and save everyone a lot of time.

I don't think a LMT making $80 an hour for rubbing oil on someone can be considered suffering. Few skilled nurses doing life and death procedures every day make that kind of money.

Many states don't even see a need to license a masseuse. The ones that do have a strong religious element in their legislatures imposing their beliefs on others.Let's be realistic about the $80 an hour. Where I come from in Florida, the normal charge for an hour of stress relief massage is in the $50 range, with no release. The massage businesses are not extremely busy so even if they were making $80 per massage, it does not equate to $80 an hour. If you have only 2 customers or 3 customers in an 8 hour day, then you have only made $160 or $240 for that day. From that amount you have to deduct the rent for that day, the electricity for that day, the insurance for that day, water and sewer for that day, and any other overhead there may be. Without the extras, the traffic is bound to be less than at, say, and AMP. On the other hand, most of the providers at the AMPs keep the great majority of their money excluding what they give to the owner or manager for food and possibly laundry. It helps if the LMTs are working from their homes to reduce overhead but then if they live in a deed restricted community they may face removal for conducting a business in their community. No matter how you cut it, those who provide massages work a lot harder than we think they do, with or without the release. I want to emphasize the word massage because we don't always recieve a massage at some of the AMPs. It's the better part of an hour or 45 minutes on one's feet using lots of their muscles to relieve our muscles and after doing that on 3 or 4 people, it gets tiring. To prove this, try giving your significant other a 30 minute massage. Then two hours later give your SO another massage. Then, two hours later give your SO yet another massage. See if it doesn't get tiring as well as boring, even if you wind up in a tangle on the floor or in the bed covers. If I appear to be on the attack, I don't mean to be. I would just like to put into perspective that GIVING the massage, whether there is a HE involved or not, is far different than GETTING the massage. Which most of us are familiar with.

Sarang Haeyo

04-10-07, 13:26

Is it just me or shouldn't it be obvious which "therapists" provide happy endings?

When I was athletic and getting the crap beaten out of me in the boxing ring years ago I learned the value of a good legitimate massage. I also knew how to find one on my own without resorting to looking at a website where the purpose is to find P4P.

This is not to say that one can't get a good therapeutic massage AND a happy ending but I think the average guy should be able to tell right off the bat which is which.

I must apologize to LMT. Your website (and those like it) should NEVER have been posted here.

SH

Real Lmt

04-10-07, 19:28

To CLOUD SEVEN:

I ended up here when I began to notice traffic to my website from this site. I had to click around for a bit to figure out how and why (I was mostly concerned that someone had named me specifically as in "Any tried this place? " and that it might be driving the wrong business to my office), and ultimately found that my website was included in Double Nickel's list of massage in Manhattan. He and I chatted a bit, I found him to be smart and wise about both the legal and illegal sides of the bodywork world, and then he asked me to add my input to this forum when he started the threads about massage.

Is it a personal crusade? Umm. Not one that haunts me day and night, but yes, to an extent, it is a hope of mine and my peers to extend the divide between LMTs and "massage parlors" in the public opinion. Why? Because it's my job.

I've been hoping to open some eyes about the profession, and Double Nickel created a place for that possibility, so here I am.

To IRISH MALE:

Thanks, you made a lot of important points. This is absolutely not a job I am going to get rich doing. I do it because I love it and I'm good at it. But there's not a week that goes by that my tendinitis doesn't suggest that this isn't the easiest way to make a living.

To BILL BRADSKY:

Of course I have disclaimers. In every ad I place. The last thing on earth I want is to be propositioned, or to end up in my office with a man who believes he is going to be getting a service I do not offer. However, people seem to ignore the disclaimers. I'm not sure why. Maybe you can tell me. When I'm advertised strictly as an LMT, why DO I get calls for "sensual" massage? Why do I get calls at 3: 00am from heavy breathers? Why do I get calls from men who are clearly hinting at something but won't come out and ask directly?

I am very clear and upfront and want nothing more than to save us all a lot of time. It doesn't seem to make a difference. Is that wishful thinking on men's part? Or a belief that there is no such thing as a massage therapist who doesn't offer extras? Are these people just f*cking stupid?

My point is that the ones who ARE offering extras should be able to be upfront about what they are offering, but, unfortunately, in our society, they can't without fear of prosecution. I'm as clear as I can be, and some men still just don't get it.

As for your comment about "rubbing oil on people for $80 an hour", that is so far removed from what I do, I'm not even going to respond. Many states do not yet have legislation over the bodywork industry, the key word being YET. It is changing rapidly, and that has to do with education, not religion. I carry $2 million in liability insurance because I live in a state that licenses its massage therapists. Would anyone really want deep medical massage from someone who doesn't?

To SARANG:

I would think it would be obvious, too. But apparently it isn't. Thanks, though. Maybe I can help clear up some of the confusion, as long as I'm welcome here.

To DOUBLE NICKEL:

You're awesome.

I would be happy to answer anyone's questions or help with any confusion about the industry.

Crazy Dick

04-11-07, 22:13

If you use email or IM with a masseuse read the following:

http://news.com.com/Police+blotter+Sensual+masseuse+sues+ex-customer/2100-1047_3-6175084.html

Police blotter is a weekly CNET News.com report on the intersection of technology and the law.

What: Sensual masseuse who was allegedly paid for sex relies on instant-messaging transcripts when suing ex-customer for $1.5 million.

When: California Court of Appeal, Second District, rules on April 9.

Outcome: Masseuse is awarded $610 in damages.

What happened, according to court documents:
In late 2004, Nieme Goines was in the business of providing "sensual massage" services to male clients she found on the Internet. One of her clients was allegedly Peter Wilkes, an executive at a film production company in the Los Angeles area. (Other than that side business, Goines was unemployed and admits that she was in "desperate" financial circumstances.)

Goines claims that her new client promised to help her with her career, "take care of her financially," buy her a car, pay for her dental work and move her into a house in Pacific Palisades. Most of those alleged promises were not met, though Goines does acknowledge that she received gifts totaling more than $13,000 from Wilkes.

She sued. Her lawsuit, filed in August 2005, demanded a whopping $500,000 for emotional distress, $500,000 for promissory estoppel (which generally prohibits false promises) and $500,000 for punitive damages. It rests largely on an a string of alleged instant-message and e-mail conversations.

In one e-mail, Wilkes promised "2000 dollars to start a checking account this week and 500-1000 dollars to start a savings account this week" and in another a few months later, he suggested giving Goines "$2,000-$3,000 a week to help with bills, other expense, car rentals, (and) getting nice stuff like clothes." Others pledged to take care of Goines' rent and to pay the past-due bill for her dental work in January.

Sex apparently was a key component of this relationship. One exchange talked about Goines coming over to Wilkes' house in exchange for money. Another had Wilkes arguing that the $13,000 he had already handed over should have "gotten (him) 90 massage sessions." Goines once told Wilkes to find someone else to "pamper" his sexual organs.

After the sensual masseuse's male friend and roommate, Sam Killebrew, called Wilkes, he replied in an e-mail message that Killebrew had engaged in "threats." Wilkes also warned Goines that she could face charges of extortion and blackmail.

One problem in evaluating the truth of the lawsuit's allegations is that Wilkes never responded to it. Judge Victor H. Person of the Superior Court of Los Angeles County entered a default judgment against Wilkes for $610, which was the total of the dentist's bill he wrote a bounced check to cover, and Goines appealed.

California's Court of Appeal, Second District, upheld the verdict. It noted that courts will not enforce contracts based on the "moral and illicit consideration of meretricious sexual services."

Excerpts from the appeals court's opinion:
The e-mails and instant messages contain numerous examples of instances where sexual matters and money were connected. In one, respondent stated that appellant's demands "sound too much like pay for play" and asked whether giving her a car, money and a Valentine's Day gift would put her "in the mood." He said that the $13,000 he had given her should have "gotten (him) 90 massage sessions."

In one of the instant-message exchanges, respondent asked appellant if she would consider coming to his house if he gave her money. In another, he asked if he could go to her apartment that night; she replied, "i'm so broke, i can't find the 100 you gave me ... down to five dollars ... can you help me out?"

Later in that same exchange, he said: "let me know if u want to meet at 9 or not, whether i bring money or not." Appellant responded that respondent was treating her like a "prostitute" but said nothing that could be interpreted as encouragement to visit without bringing money.

In another instant-message exchange, respondent said he was coming over that night, and appellant suggested that he "(b)ring something to make my life easy...." Later, respondent complained there had been "no sex since 2 days after i gave u the money," and she reminded him, "You said you'd give me money everytime you come here."

The court, after reviewing the declarations and documentary evidence, requested a prove-up hearing. Appellant was the only witness.

Her testimony at the hearing was in accordance with the complaint and her declaration: respondent promised to open bank accounts for her, provide specific sums of money per week, move her into his home, buy her a car, expensive clothes and jewelry, and assist her in getting out of debt and into a job. He specifically promised to take care of the January dental bill.

At one point, he wrote a check to the oral surgeon, which failed to clear his account. Appellant testified that respondent referred to her as his fiancee and denied that he paid her for sex.

In response to questioning by the court, appellant admitted that she had been a sensual masseuse for three or four months, had only four clients and earned at most $800 to $900 per month. She conceded that she could return to that occupation by placing an Internet advertisement.

In addition, since the break up, she had taken computer tutorials and was working in Web design and photo retouch and restoration. The roommate she had acquired during her relationship with respondent was paying all or most of the rent on her apartment.

Now on News.com:
No space for Photobucket
Photos: Spring lineup of fuel cell cars
Part three: Engineering change in developing nations
Extra: Young scientists design open-source program at NASA
Video: Andy Grove on IT, health care system
In its order, the court found true many of the facts attested to by appellant, including that respondent made promises of financial support and career assistance. It also found that appellant stopped performing massage services, gathered her clothing to move into his home and arranged for a friend to move into her apartment.

Appellant's contention that the court exhibited "unfair bias" by making findings that highlighted the sexual nature of the parties' relationship represents a misapprehension about the court's role in resolving a claim by a party against a former romantic partner.

Where a plaintiff claims to have entered into a contract with a former romantic partner, under which the partner promised to provide monetary support or other financial benefits, the trial court is required to examine the nature of the parties' relationship to determine whether "sexual services form an inseparable part of the consideration for the agreement."

This is because a contract between nonmarried parties is unenforceable to the extent that it is based on "the immoral and illicit consideration of meretricious sexual services."

IrishMale

04-11-07, 23:16

To IRISH MALE:

Thanks, you made a lot of important points. This is absolutely not a job I am going to get rich doing. I do it because I love it and I'm good at it. But there's not a week that goes by that my tendinitis doesn't suggest that this isn't the easiest way to make a living.LMT,

I can't speak for others but I appreciate your input. I can shed light on some things from my standpoint only but perhaps it will give you some understanding about our side of things (or maybe just mine) inasmuch as you appear to be here with somewhat of an open mind, which is appreciated. I'm one of those guys who appreciates the massage as much as any extras that might possibly be available. If they are not, I'm not disappointed if the massage is good. For the most part, the LMTs are what they are and are dedicated to their profession. The AMPs are what they are and, based on personal knowledge and relationships, they enjoy what they do and what they make doing it. In other places here I have posted that I have enjoyed 3 different relationships with ladies associated with AMPs and I can assure you that they are there because they want to be. They make very, very good money and that is really what it's about. I have yet to meet one who wasn't able to come and go as they pleased, and do so frequently. They work every day for a couple of months and take a month off. They then travel the US or foreign countries, shop at upscale stores and in general enjoy an extended vaction. One who lived with me stopped working when she moved in with me and did so with the owner's blessing. Another took a long weekend drive out of state with me for an extended weekend. While every press release I've ever seen about raids states flatly that they are all sex slaves forced to work in the business to pay off loans for getting them here, I have not been able to find one who is being forced to work, who doesn't want to work at what she's doing, and who isn't free to come and go as she pleases. I'm saying this only to demonstrate that, regardless of their motivation, those who work in the AMPs do it because they want to and, to some extent that's the reason you work in the business in the manner you do, because it's what you want to do. It's possible that I'm a little different than some of the others here but I'm single, getting up there in age, and I don't hang out in bars. I don't seek out street walkers but I do patronize AMPs when I'm NOT in a relationship. If I don't get anything but a massage, I'm usually content but if I get any kind of extras I do partake because it's a time that I get personal contact, personal touch, some affection even if it's bought and paid for, and even some TLC. With very few exceptions, the places I've visited are clean, the workers are normally nice to me, and for an hour I feel like I'm appreciated in a way only a man can make a woman feel appreciated and only a woman can make a man feel appreciated. Most importantly, other than the risk of being rousted for it, it's safe. At least as safe as two consenting adults can be who are not exclusively involved with each other. It is something agreed to by two consenting adults, it's done behind closed doors, and yet it's unacceptable to society. I disagree with that but it is what it is. Having said all this, I still understand and respect what you do, fully understand it's hard work, know that you trained hard to get where you are, know you will not get rich, and realize and respect that you take pride in what you do. You are probably one hell of a masseuse and I hope someday I stumble across your business because I suspect I will get an excellent massage. It isn't always about the extras, but when they are there I am one of those who appreciate them. If you spend a little time on the forum you will find that your friend who brought you here is also a devotee' of a good massage. On the issue of how some of us approach you, I don't want to insult you when I come to your business if you offer no extras. I do confess, however, to being attuned to signs that a massuese may offer extras. Becuase it is frowned upon by society it is a cat and mouse game and some of us are a little more careful how we play while others are a little more aggressive, and you certainly have the right to let them know quickly what you are about. I might add that I have also patronized a number of independent providers who are licensed and very good at what they do, and yet offer some extras because, as they will tell you, they enjoy it. Please don't take offense that I and others enjoy a massage with extras because it is not intended to be a reflection on those who do nothing more than massage. A legitimate massage can be. And is. A wonderful thing. It makes the day go much better.

IrishMale

04-12-07, 17:27

For those who enjoy or may be interested in the art of reflexology, there is a licensed provider at Magic in Tampa who has been trained in reflexology while going to massage school. Reflexology sessions only are offered at $40 for 20 minutes but you will have to request it because it is not part of the massage. You can request it without a massage if you want to.

Bob Forchix

04-18-07, 19:12

To CLOUD SEVEN:

My point is that the ones who ARE offering extras should be able to be upfront about what they are offering, but, unfortunately, in our society, they can't without fear of prosecution. I'm as clear as I can be, and some men still just don't get it.

I would be happy to answer anyone's questions or help with any confusion about the industry.Real CMT,

I have a question. If a CMT uses terminology such as,"my unique approach", "no scented oils" , "to connect intuitively with my clients", or "designed to meet your specific needs" does that suggest they may provide special services to male clients. Or are those phrases commonly used in the industry.

I see alot of ads for female CMT's that contain these terms, however, they seem to be very legitimate, and advertise pregnancy and hot stone massages as well.

I just want to avoid an uncomfortable situation with a therapist, but am trying to locate someone in my area who does cater to other interests.

Thank you.

Double Nickle

04-19-07, 05:51

To DOUBLE NICKEL:

You're awesome.

I would be happy to answer anyone's questions or help with any confusion about the industry.

Aw Shucks, Real LMT, I'm blushing.

...I have a question. If a CMT uses terminology such as,"my unique approach", "no scented oils" , "to connect intuitively with my clients", or "designed to meet your specific needs" does that suggest they may provide special services to male clients. Or are those phrases commonly used in the industry...

My question isn't exactly the same. Real LMT, I think you indicated you used to work in a spa. My understanding is that most spas cater to both male and female clients these days. I get the impression that men aren't ordinarily turned away in these spas, unless they are real degenerates. The type that Jackson regularly kicks off this forum, USA SexGuide. But I don't think in most spas clients are there specifically to treat a medical condition. I suspect that a great many men (and women) are there in large part because they enjoy the feel of flesh against flesh, skin against skin. I think the spas will accept "relaxation" or "stress relief" as a reason for a massage.

In this type of spa in the absence of legal and professional guidelines I would submit that it would be easy for a masseuse to cross over into the way of business of many oriental spas. These give a great massage. The masseuse stays fully dressed and the client is not allowed to touch her over or under her clothes. But genital manipulation to ejaculation is carried out. This is something neither the Chinese masseuses nor the dictionary consider prostitution.

I believe you're working in more of a medical massage/therapeutic clinic environment now, rather than a typical resort type spa environment. Real LMT, I don't mean to bust your balls (so to speak), well not too much, but I've been blessed or cursed with an inordinate amount of curiosity. Would you not consider the sensual pleasure of touch to be much of the reason most clients go to a typical spa? If it weren't for the legal and professional guidelines as they are, don't you think we would end up with a huge variety of spas/massage parlors offering quite varied menus of services. Someday I want to pump your big brain about your previous spa experiences.

Double Nickle

Bob Forchix

04-19-07, 08:04

Real CMT,

I have a question. If a CMT uses terminology such as

Thank you.Ooops, Sorry for the misquote on credentials, REAL LMT.

Real Lmt

04-20-07, 12:51

Bob,

The terms you mentioned are within the realm of legitimate practice, although a little on the New Agey side maybe. The only one I'm confused about is "no scented oils" which could be intended for allergy/sensitivity reasons, or for "Your wife won't smell perfume on you" reasons.

My website says things like "custom-tailored sessions" and "relaxation" and "stress relief". I would generally think that anyone offering hot stone and pregnancy massage is not going to be open to extras, but since legislation is so different in so many states, it's hard to say for sure. For NY, we're under a strict morality clause and have a lot invested that would be at risk. In PA though, there's nothing governing massage, so any random person can hang up a shingle today and call themselves a massage therapist. They could quite easily be straddling both sides of a fence: doing regular massage, hot stone, etc., but open to more if the right client was on the table.

The keywords I would look for (and which I would never use) would be: tantra/tantric, sensual, erotic, exotic, "waves of pleasure" and "sacred spot/goddess spot massage" and such.

Double Nickel,

If there was nothing at stake legally, I'm sure there would be many practitioners giving all levels of service. Ejaculation is something some could consider part of the "relaxation" technique. Personally, I would not be interested in touching a man's penis, period. I don't care how relaxing it is, it would NOT feel morally acceptable to me.

To continue the Devil's Advocate game, how would you feel if your wife / sister / mother / daughter were a massage therapist? Would that level of "relaxation" seem acceptable for her to provide? Or would you rather she worked on the strictly legal side of the business as I do?

Out of curiosity, have any of you checked out these sites:

http://www.goddesstemple.com/
http://www.whitelotuseast.com/

Double Nickle

04-22-07, 16:45

Double Nickel,

If there was nothing at stake legally, I'm sure there would be many practitioners giving all levels of service. Ejaculation is something some could consider part of the "relaxation" technique. Personally, I would not be interested in touching a man's penis, period. I don't care how relaxing it is, it would NOT feel morally acceptable to me.

To continue the Devil's Advocate game, how would you feel if your wife / sister / mother / daughter were a massage therapist? Would that level of "relaxation" seem acceptable for her to provide? Or would you rather she worked on the strictly legal side of the business as I do?

Out of curiosity, have any of you checked out these sites:

http://www.goddesstemple.com/
http://www.whitelotuseast.com/

Please pardon me for playing Devil's Advocate, Real LMT. I'm ordinarily very law abiding. I'm the type who will wait for the walk light when everybody else is crossing. If I had any facility in picking up girls I might opt out of mongering. But I would still advocate its legalization like the good libertarian I am.

In the March 2007 issue of Massage magazine an article on spas indicates that in 2005 the US spa business had revenue of 9.7 billion. There were 131 million spa visits. Spas employed 267,400 workers. Massage is a core offering at your local spa. However, there are many licensed massage therapists who do not work at a spa. Texas alone has 24,378 licensed masseuses. Many so called legitimate masseuses operate unlicensed. Then there are your happy ending masseuses. I would not be surprised to find nearly as many of these as "legitimate" masseuses. Looks like pretty much the entire population is "touched" by the industry...

The massage industry is so big that every reader of this forum will surely have family members or friends outside of this forum who will have experienced massage. Many will have a friend or family member who is or was a masseuse. I do.

My aunt just retired as a massage therapist connected with a chiropractor's office. Interestingly, her aunt was very possibly a showgirl/prostitute in the Old West. The latter's grandmother was very possibly a prostitute around the time of the Civil War. The fathers of her first two children are unknown. The father of the second, my ancestor, seems from DNA evidence to have been a full blooded American Indian though.

I'm sure my aunt experienced erections and mooning or flashing in the course of her worklife. If she ever gave a happy ending that is her business. I had no desire to obtain a massage from her. I don't want to french kiss my sister either, even though she's a hottie. I have no burning desire for intimate details concerning my friends or family. I can get my education from this forum and other writings on the subject, which together probably represent a significant cross-section of the population.

I want my female relatives and friends, Real LMT too, to be careful and be safe. Fellow mongers, be polite and courteous and gentle to that masseuse. She might be my aunt out of retirement.

Real Lmt

06-26-07, 21:24

This was posted on Craigslist in Jacksonville, FL and made it to the "Best of":

"Title: Happy Endings

It begins before you even get to my office. You call me, I answer, and you start asking me things like, "Is it a FULL BODY massage?" Then, you tell me I sound sexy. You ask if I'M going to do your massage. Before I became a massage therapist, I always thought that happy endings were good things. You know, like you read about in fairy tales. "They lived happily ever after. The End."

People think it's easy to become a massage therapist. I blame the commercials. They always say "In less than a year, I got on the road to a health care career!" They never mention that in LESS THAN A YEAR, we know the names, locations, and functions of every body part. Not just 206 bones, but even the myelin sheath that surrounds the axons of your neurons. We've studied diseases and skin conditions. We learn about Eastern medicine, too. This involves energy, points, channels, colors, seasons, emotions... We packed all of that, and much more, into our brains. I think that deserves a hint of respect.

You guys come to my office without even taking a shower first. Sir, you're going to be naked on my table, and I'm only going to be an arm's length away. It's June, and we're in Florida. The room stinks before you've even finished undressing. Oh, and you haven't even passed gas yet... which half of you do.

Most of you start face down. In a way, that's nice for me. You're can't be too aggressive with your sexual harassment yet. That's what I think, eh? As soon as I move that towel, you spread your thighs and lift your ass. I wasn't going to touch your musky hole in the first place... but I'm having a hard time convincing myself to do your thighs with all of the funk in the air.

After waving it around for a minute, you realize I'm not going to be entering your back door. So you sigh unhappily, reach down to adjust, and lay back on the table. I finish your feet, and it's time to turn over.

I've continued the massage, you're flipped over. We can pretend all of that ugliness never happened. Why, oh why, didn't you brush your teeth? Or chew some gum? I'm massaging your face, pressing on your sinus points, and you smell like something took a crap in your mouth, and then died. No, this is NOT a good time for you to reach up and caress my hand. I didn't want you to do it in the first place, and now I REALLY don't want you to.

I try to move on as quickly as possible... but then I remember that I'm getting closer to that other area. You're going to ask me, aren't you? I cringe the whole time that I massage your stomach. I move the towel so I can get to your thigh. PHEW! You didn't ask! I'm so relieved, I forgive the crap from earlier. I'm working on your feet when I see movement from the corner of my eye.

No, don't! NO! You've moved the towel a little, thinking you're subtle... and I can smell your nasty sweaty balls. I ignore you totally. Even if I was that kind of girl, I wouldn't do that for you.

I only have your other leg left, so I hurry. I tell you that the session is done...and then you ask. "Does this massage have a happy ending?" I say you should take your time getting dressed and head for the door. I'm daydreaming of a bath in bleach. Undiluted. You ask again, because you apparently think I'm deaf. Why not? I can't smell you, right?

You leave, without leaving me a tip. That's fine, because you're GONE. That's MY happy ending."

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/jax/353293242.html

And there were some responses, as well:

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/search/ppp?query=happy%20endings

Texas Gaston

01-10-08, 02:09

Having received massage from legitimate practitioners for several years now, I agree with what has been previously posted on this thread when it comes to seeking a little extra relief from RMTs and LMTs. In the beginning I went from spa to spa trying to find a therapist who would massage my member as part of the session. My repeated inquiries into special treatment landed on def ears and ultimately created tense sessions. It wasn't until after I learned to appreciate and respect massage and the therapists for the healthy benefits and their knowledge that opportunities began to present themselves.

The first was a young, carefree woman who cared deeply for her clients. A mutual respect developed over the course of several months and comfort levels rose. I was able to enjoy our sessions in the nude and while she would not massage me to completion, her light and gentle teasing of my cock and balls were wonderful. Eventually she left for a bigger city, but before she left I was able to spend several sessions, under her guidance, massaging her lovely, nubile body.

For the past couple of years I have had the benefit of receiving massage from a wonderful, older therapist. Only, after many months of establishing respect and trust, do sessions consistently end with a masterful handjob or two. Over the years I learned that she provided this service to only certain, trusted clients. And recently she has begun inviting me to her home for more private, intimate and mutual massage sessions.

I know these observations will not appeal to everybody, but if you take the time to respect and know your therapist, she might surprise you.

Fetishinni

03-31-08, 01:47

Possibly a newb question, but if you're in an AMP where they normally offer a tug with no questions asked.- and the place gets hit by LE.- can you get in any legal trouble? Wondering if that because no offer was made, if technically you can get busted for anything? Anyone heard of this ever happening? I've only heard of the parlor getting busted, not the patrons.

IrishMale

03-31-08, 09:31

Third Eye

04-05-08, 00:01

It probably depends upon the laws in the state you are in.

In Washington State, if you're in flagrante denudo on premises when the raid goes down, you come with the girls. So to speak.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case in most states.

3rdI

Daka1

04-05-08, 06:27

It certainly wouldn't hurt to have a towel handy to cover up with if you hear any commotion. At the very least, it might save you a bit of embarrassment and would give you something to argue in your defence.

As the lawyers say, if the facts are against you, argue the law, and if the law is against you, argue the facts.

D

Nitescape

04-13-08, 19:12

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/ers/638294910.html

Or type in 6615 on CL

I'm not a vet with the massages, but I'm curious.... and this one got my attention.

I'd just like to get your reactions or thoughts, to this ad.

Double Nickle

06-27-08, 20:20

I just visited one of the few "happy ending" massage parlors in the USA with american hostesses. I've seen the ads for years and when passing through on another matter I stopped in. When I started getting massages about 1972 masseuses were always americans. Then the Koreans took over. Who knows what the future holds with the government warring against Korean masseuses.

Anyway the parlor was along a commercially developed highway, in a regular shopping mall. The door was in the rear and very discrete. Walk up to the second floor and there is a hallway with various businesses, including the massage parlor. Walk in the unlocked door and you come to a nice office/living room decorated in a bit of a retro fashion. Nobody was there which impressed me with how nonchalant they were. Soon a very friendly lady entered. I would guess she's pushing 70. Marlowe is what she was called. I could get a half hour for $50, three-quarters for $70, or an hour for $90. A two girl special was offered too, but I was sure I couldn't afford the fee and whatever tips might be needed this trip. I signed up for the 3/4 hour and Marlowe gave me a key and a towel and led me to my locker. I got naked and headed to the bathroom adjacent to the locker room. Marlowe appeared and told me to wait for the masseuse in the sauna which was also right there. She didn't blink an eyelash at me totally starkers except for a folded towel in my hand. My kind of woman. So I used the wc then showered. Standing up, by myself, like the old massage parlor days. The place was busy - I saw 2 other guys. This was on midafternoon Friday.

Mindy collected me from the sauna. She looked like a California surfer girl, blonde, tan, and wearing a one piece swimsuit. She had a nice round ass and nice handfuls of boobies that I later found were very nice to fondle.

In the room the towel came off without a hint of protest. She did tell me right off that they weren't a full service parlor. "Lie down on your stomach." "Do you want oil, lotion, or powder?" I thought I'd try powder. "OK. but with powder I'll have to give you a light touch." She was a master of the feathertouch. Arms, legs, back, and butt were in heaven. When she went for the crack of the ass and balls it was 7th heaven.

"Turn over." She said she could go topless or nude for a tip, which she said she depended upon. I splurged on nude for $120 additional (total cost to me $190). "You can touch me." She didn't have to say it twice. She fondled and stroked my cock, balls, and nipples just right while I felt up her tits and ass. She was very comfortable to be with and had a good sense of humor. I told her about my retarded ejaculation condition and that I should probably need to finish myself off if we were to have any hope of finishing on time. She said she enjoyed watching me stroking myself while she continued fondling my balls and nipples. I believed her - for one thing her nipples were hard as diamonds. I had a great orgasm, after which she cleaned me up with wipes and alcohol. I got dressed, got my tip from my locker, and left with a big smile on my face if not much money in my pockets.

Double Nickle

Crazy Jim Wood

06-30-08, 21:15

How does one in a long-term care situation go about draining harmful terminal sperm build up from the testicles?

Let's say you had a vasectomy and doctor says you haveto ejaculate but you got in an accident going home and are bak in the hospital now with both arms in casts and can't reach your willy?

Will a nurse do it? (doctor? janitor?)

Can you order take-out Korean while in the ICU?

CJW

Double Nickle

07-03-08, 22:24

I was feeling very put out at being turned away from an oriental massage parlor. I didn't think I'd get a massage that day. But on my way back I noticed a rather generic sign on a business with opagued windows and a screened entrance. It could have been a gym, a dance school, a massage parlor, maybe even a salon, etc. I would have been happy to get even a legitimate massage at this point. But the place had kind of the feel of an old fashioned massage parlor. I walked in, knowing there was a chance that a dance teacher or hairstylist might say, "beat it you perv [pun not intended]."

I go in the front door and there is a waiting room dominated by a one way window. Someone on the other side saw me, for a door flies open and this bubbly young white babe gives me a really friendly greeting. Have I been here before? I don't think so. I've been somewhere with the same name a long time ago, maybe in Waterbury. I told her I had just been passing by and saw the sign. It is $40 for the massage. "Sure," I say thinking how great a price that was.

Bubbly, who I find is called Chris, leads me through a door or two to room 1. There is a massage table, a locker, a shelving unit with supplies, and a low bench. She explains there is a shower and bathroom in an area down the hall. She gives me a towel and a locker key. I can leave a tip on the shelving. Minimum is $80. The more the tip, the better the service.

I go to the restroom and notice there is also a sauna and scales. While I'm showering I'm thinking to myself, hmm well maybe $80 covers everything and bigger tips are just overtipping. But more likely $80 will just get me a handjob. Is there more available? If so, how much might it be? Well, standard asian pricing is about $50 handjob, $80 blowjob, $100 fucking. If fucking is twice a handjob, maybe I should put $160 on the shelf. Go for it, or you might regret it later.

I wait a while back in the room. Dana pops the door open and tells me Chris will be there in just a bit. I'm sitting naked on the massage table and she shamelessly looks at my cock. Not that I mind. She is heavier than Chris, but doable.

Chris comes in and likes the tip on the table. In fact, she immediately starts peeling off her clothing. OMFG, she has an incredible ass. Nice tits. Nice everything, in fact. She is Italian, with long dark curly hair. A fancy tattoo with color covers much of her solar plexus and she has some smaller ones.

"Lie on your stomach." She concentrates on rubbing my legs, and especially my ass. She frequently reaches under and stimulates my balls. I think I've died and gone to heaven. "Turn over." "Did you like that?" "Yes, obviously" I say indicating my rock hard boner. "Oh, it's so big." I'm not Johnny "Wad" Holmes, but I like hearing that. She manages to custom fit a condom to my instrument which she then vigorously plays with her mouth. She hops on for some great cowgirl action. Then she bends over the massage table and we do it doggy style. Pumping and grabbing that fantastic Italian ass is one of those moments to treasure. As usual with me the finish was by hand and she was so thrilled to see me drip thick white gobs of come. She wants me back as she volunteered that she works Thursday, Friday, and Saturday afternoons and Monday nights.

After another shower I let myself out. As I was exiting with a big smile she gave me a cheery goodbye through her one way picture window. She's a hell of a woman and sure makes me feel like a man.

Double Nickle

Wando21

07-15-08, 16:51

IrishMale

07-15-08, 19:25

LE around the country has been hitting the AMPs hard and looking for those without green cards. Many of the younger ones do not have them. So, the AMPs are gravitating towards older women who either have permanent green cards or have been naturalized.

It is impossible not to notice that ladies in AMPs, at least where I roam in NC and SC, are getting older and older. I put it out for discussion, is the Korean/AMP model being driven out of business by LE, a better economy in Korean, etc. I hate to say I remember 25 years ago, when most amps were populated by a bevy of young, slender, willing Koreans..... Are those days gone too? Maybe younger women just prefer the big cities. Any thoughts?

Mighty Spearsman

08-03-08, 01:54

It is impossible not to notice that ladies in AMPs, at least where I roam in NC and SC, are getting older and older. I put it out for discussion, is the Korean/AMP model being driven out of business by LE, a better economy in Korean, etc. I hate to say I remember 25 years ago, when most amps were populated by a bevy of young, slender, willing Koreans..... Are those days gone too? Maybe younger women just prefer the big cities. Any thoughts?
Irish Male2 makes a good point.

In many cases, the "older women" that you see working in the AMPs now are the same ladies who were the "young, slender willing Koreans" who were working at AMPs in the US in the 1980s and 1990s!

Sort of like the American air carriers, many of the flight attendants who work for American, Continental, United, etc. are now in their 40s, 50s and even older, and they've been working as attendants for several decades.

Don't laugh, the same younger Korean lady with oversized tits who gave me a fantastic "Russian" tittie-fxxk in 1989 is now in her early 50s and still working in an HJ-only AMP here in CT, giving HJs and letting you touch her still-oversized tits. And she has a co-worker who's fairly decent-looking yet may be over 60!

Double Nickle

08-12-08, 15:18

Double Nickle has been boring lately. I've been going steadily to my regular masseuse about two years now. I'm quite happy with her. But most chinese establishments are rub and tug only, if that. No full service. And they don't offer table showers. For a while now I've been dying for a table shower. One nearby place does them, except sometimes the girl says, "you look clean - no table shower for you." So I decided not to risk that place but to try somewhere new.

I had thought that less than a handful of massage parlors with extras existed in Connecticut. Some investigation reveals the number must still be in the double digits although some places are UTR (under the radar); that is, not advertising in the paper or craigslist. New York City is still Mecca for the happy ending enthusiast. In response to previous posters, let me say that older masseuses also are common in cities.

I decided to try a place that advertised "body shampoo," usually a synonym for table shower. A young gorgeous masseuse was nor essential - I just wanted my table shower. As it turned out I got an older lady, but it worked out well because she was experienced, still attractive, and she gave one hell of a table shower.

The business was in a working class mixed residential/business neighborhood. There was a big sign on a nondescript building, but nothing overtly sexy. I went in the front door to the little entry room with a bell and a window. A vivacious, rather cute lady, answered, gave me a big smile, and let me in. She had gone a little soft with age and had some freckles or maybe age spots, but they didn't look bad on her. She led me through a nicely decorated hallway to a nicely decorated room. I gave her a hundred dollar bill for the house fee and asked for change. She didn't try to get the other forty out of me but simply left to get change. I got naked. She came back and enthusiastically admired me, "Ooh, look at you."

I donned the towel and we left for the shower room. My towel immediately fell off. She tells me, "No problem." "Nature boy OK." So I walked naked down the hall and around the corner to a nice, tiled table shower room. She didn't use a sponge, just a little bar of soap and her hands. She gave me a nice, hard table shower, getting front and back of hands and feet - everything. While I was still lying on my stomach she reached under and gave my cock and balls a good hard scrub. She scrubbed my crack good too although, alas, she didn't dig in and clean my anus. I have yet to experience that (but I'm looking for a masseuse with a very slender finger). On my front side my cock got a good hard scrub and thorough investigation. It aparently met her approval. She dried me all off, including my by now die-hard cock.

She put the towel back on me, but with the overlap in the front. My ass was covered but my cock stuck right out through the gap. She held my hand to lead me back to the room. I brushed it against my cock and she grabbed on happily.

Back in the room she gave me a nice hard massage. Lots of firm pressing and holding followed by the hands sliding away. This was followed by a very skillful feathertouch . I turned over, hard as a statue. She made a little nothing in my hand gesture indicating it was time for a tip. I wasn't sure if she did everything or just a handjob, but I was so randy now I figured I'd blow the second hundred I figured on spending. It was good with her. She starts doing a little striptease out of her slip and red bikini while I feel her up. She's still got plety of suction and plays my skin flute like a virtuoso. Then she motions the change positions move and I pound her missionary style. I finish off, as usual, with some her and me hand action. She thoroughly wipes off my cock. balls and groin area with washcloth and, I think alcohol or something. After all this I feel like I don't have a bone left in my body and I wonder if I'll be able to stand up and walk out. Somehow I do it and we're both all smiles as I exit. I catch a glimpse of a second masseuse as I leave. She's got an "I know what you've been doing" smile on her face.

Double Nickle

Quadrider

08-12-08, 20:14

RediMax42

09-19-08, 13:03

Irish Male2 makes a good point.

In many cases, the "older women" that you see working in the AMPs now are the same ladies who were the "young, slender willing Koreans" who were working at AMPs in the US in the 1980s and 1990s!

Sort of like the American air carriers, many of the flight attendants who work for American, Continental, United, etc. are now in their 40s, 50s and even older, and they've been working as attendants for several decades.

Don't laugh, the same younger Korean lady with oversized tits who gave me a fantastic "Russian" tittie-fxxk in 1989 is now in her early 50s and still working in an HJ-only AMP here in CT, giving HJs and letting you touch her still-oversized tits. And she has a co-worker who's fairly decent-looking yet may be over 60!Seems to me that although visually, they cum up lacking, close your eyes, and your in heaven.

DarkSilver

10-23-08, 18:54

Saw this news article and this is a little too much service for me but others may find it of interest. This is a new massage technic in India.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3237343/Israeli-health-and-beauty-spa-offers-a-snake-massage-for-40.html

Clinton Bush

11-03-08, 19:11

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/nov/03/study-womens-hands-dirtier-mens/

Bighawg11

12-20-08, 01:20

I had a horrible session - worst in 17 (I think that's right) years of getting all sorts of massages.

I won't list everything that was horrible (I'll run out of characters to type, trust me). I will say that the tip (negotiated down from an outrageous amount) we agreed upon was refunded (50 percent) because of the service.

Worse, well in advance of my visit I had communicated numerous times with the owner about selecting the "right" provider. I have specific needs and wishes for my sessions and want to maximize my visits (hey, money is tight these days). I am in the process of negotiating some sort of "do over".

What is appropriate to expect as a "please don't judge the entire establishment by this one bad experience, even if it was your first with us"?

1. complimentary session and "credit" for the tip left before?
2. complimentary session and complimentary tip?
3. be damned thankful I got a partial refund?
4. Too many variables, but you'll offer an idea any way?

PittPanther

12-28-08, 13:08

I had a horrible session - worst in 17 (I think that's right) years of getting all sorts of massages.
...
1. complimentary session and "credit" for the tip left before?
2. complimentary session and complimentary tip?
3. be damned thankful I got a partial refund?
4. Too many variables, but you'll offer an idea any way?
Come on , Bighog. Give us something to work with!

There are no details of any kind in your report. Why was the session so bad? What are the special 'needs' you have and negotiated, and didn't receive?

With no details, we have no idea what you're talking about and therefore can't give you any advice - this is why you haven't had any responses.

Start typing, maybe we can help!

Bighawg11

12-29-08, 14:58

Come on , Bighog. Give us something to work with!

There are no details of any kind in your report. Why was the session so bad? What are the special 'needs' you have and negotiated, and didn't receive?

With no details, we have no idea what you're talking about and therefore can't give you any advice - this is why you haven't had any responses.

Start typing, maybe we can help!

Re-read the part of the post you didn't quote. Then, simply tell me how you would handle that situation.

I'll supply a few more details

1. up-front communication with the owner through numerous emails
2. expectations up-front on my end regarding amenities and extras
3. session was so "blah" that I ended it with no evidence of arousal having happened. provider was completely detached during the session - no interest in the client
4. provider announces she is not interested in massage, only tips, within 5 minutes of starting the session.
5. provider negotiates from a $$ position that is well above the norm for our city
6. provider complained about her work non-stop
7. it was freaking cold in the business and the in-room heater was broken
8. and...I go back to #1 and #2 - I had communicated numerous times with the owner (not the provider) about what I was looking for (ie, I'm looking for a new "home" for regular massage and these are my minimum expectations).

Sorry if I was too brief before. I've typed this stuff a couple of times and was weary!

Sparkmaster

08-27-09, 16:19

Hello and sorry if I posted in the wrong area. I am new to this and been reading practically every post everyone did here trying to learn but still need some answers.

I don't understand how one could hint of a HE while getting a Massage. Do they give hints or am I going to a wrong place.

Also when you do go to a Massage parlor, do you go completely undressed? I mean, do you get naked and cover yourself with towel or just lay there naked? I know, I might sound like a wacko but like I said, I'm new and need some excitement now.

New Hampshire is dead for everything I see. Any recommendations?

Thanks

Zeuss

08-27-09, 21:40

RTFF a little closer.

The Hawaii forum had some good tips in the past couple of weeks.

Hello and sorry if I posted in the wrong area. I am new to this and been reading practically every post everyone did here trying to learn but still need some answers.

I don't understand how one could hint of a HE while getting a Massage. Do they give hints or am I going to a wrong place.

Also when you do go to a Massage parlor, do you go completely undressed? I mean, do you get naked and cover yourself with towel or just lay there naked? I know, I might sound like a wacko but like I said, I'm new and need some excitement now.

New Hampshire is dead for everything I see. Any recommendations?

Thanks

Numbah One

07-02-11, 06:34

I met a provider that I thought I could get together with. I've known her for 2 years and had just gotten to know her. She said she cared for me, but I doubt that, at all. She basically limited our sexual positions during sex. She limited me to DATY and Mish.

I would read posts in usasg saying the she had 36c's and that she was short, when actually she had A's and was tall.

The part that really convinced me that it was her was the mentioning of her C-Section. Also, they mentioned her mannerisms sometimes and I would pick up on that. Anyway, I figure she restricted me because maybe, she really cared for me and didn't want me to make her connection with the other mongers. Very clever. I still am hurt by her conniving and her desire for her anonymity. I see where she's coming from but I would have to say, if I did all the positions with her, I probably would have seen her more. Cause no matter how much you care for someone, if she is not rocking your boat, you're going to go elsewhere. Anyway, I thought I could take, say hooking up with a prostitute, but when it comes right down to it, I cannot. She doesn't know the anger I have for her because she treated me this way. I really hate her for treating me like shit! You don't treat somebody you care for, like that.

Anyway, I have so much pent up hatred in me, that I know it has to be over, once and for all! I can't forgive her for deceiving me. Her being a prostitute has hardened her in life! I am no match for a prostitute's conniving. She does lies and conniving for a living.

Anyway, has anyone ever run into a provider that has treated you like this? If you have I'd sure like to hear about it.

Numbahzzz

Doctor D

01-22-12, 15:32

I visited a AMP today in northern Ohio and had an older Korean. I actually prefer the older ladies, I have had beter service over the years from the mature ones. I'm getting a little long in the tooth myself, maybe thats why i prefer the older ones that takes a little more time and pays a more attention to details.I too prefer more mature women; I believe that they usually have experience and skills that count and that they are not getting by on good looks; they have to deliver a quality massage and a satisfying HE just to compete w the younger ones. The Korean AMP I usually go to has two women in their mid 40s I would guess, neither is slim or glamorous, but their skills are incredible, and they seem comfortable w their clients and what they do.

Wando21

02-28-12, 12:13

Just curious if anyone here has ever really enjoyed a good fuck from the mamasan. I had the experience last week in Houston unexpectedly, and it was fun and free!

Mailer

04-02-12, 03:10

I've never gotten FS from a provider before. I'm also a young guy who's wants a mature women to show him the ropes. On my local forum I've heard a place has a older provider who does FS I may ask for her when I go.

KatieSexy

04-12-12, 18:00

TheWaywardPoet

07-08-12, 11:52

I've never been to a massage parlor as I'm usually more interested in getting a great massage than a happy ending. I've had those, though, in Asia (at 5-star hotels, which was a bit unexpected). Again. The massage itself sucked, so I target legit places. I've been doing this for years and it's always been the same. They keep my butt and mid-level area fully draped. Never do the inner thighs or chest. It's been frustrating since we all want a TRUE full body massage. I don't really need the "happy ending", but it would be nice, sure. So. I went to this seemingly legit place in San Francisco a month ago. Tons of Yelp reviews. Lots of female customers. Asian therapists. The first girl took my towel off immediately and left me completely undraped. She massaged my ass, but never touched my inner thighs or chest. Didn't even flip me over, I don't think.

Anyway. I decided to go back for another 90-minute massage, but this time with a different girl. Like the first girl, she immediately removed my towel and slapped my ass. She spent a LOT of time on it. Here's where it gets interesting. She massaged my inner thighs, her hands brushing up against my balls again and again. While lifting my legs, she massaged the joint area where my leg meets my groin. She stretched my arms up to her chest. My hands brushing against her tits (she was fully clothed). She flipped me over, not being shy about staring at my cock. She even did my chest. She finally pulled my right leg up and out to my side and massaged it that way (very erotic). But she never uncovered my dick and, obviously, no happy ending.

So. I'm not sure what to think. I'm going back for a fully 2-hour massage soon. I would LOVE it if she either massaged my balls or gave me a happy ending (or was just a bit more liberal with her touch) , but she was a FANTASTIC masseuse. Best ever. I don't want to do or say anything to fuck that up. I finally found someone who is actually great at giving massages (did this thing with my neck that was incredible). My question. How do I know? What should I say or do (if anything) that would send a signal. Without potentially offending her? Is it normal for a "legit" place to massage you, undraped. Spending a lot of time on your ass and brushing against your balls? Have I stumbled across some hybrid legit / AMP place? The more she trusts me, do you think she'll open up more? Am I reading way too much into it? My mind has been reeling ever since.

If all she ever did was continue with the same massage. I'd be very happy. But oh. If she just went a little further. Thoughts?

Param Ahmad

10-29-12, 03:25

Sounds interesting. Would you care to post those HJ statutes here? Have a feeling that, in the end, local laws (anywhere) are subject to interpretation on the side of LE, politics and other influential means.Sure, I'm happy to do that.

In North Carolina, prostitution is defined in Sec. 14-203: "Definition of terms. The term 'prostitution' shall be construed to include the offering of receiving of the body for sexual intercourse for hire, and shall also be construed to include the offering of receiving of the body for indiscriminate sexual intercourse without hire."

Additionally, according to an article by a North Carolina lawyer who previously was a superior court judge and was a member of the North Carolina legislature,"North Carolina's current prostitution law specifically applies only to vaginal intercourse." You'll find the article here:

http://www.raywarrenlaw.com/Amendment-QA.pdf

According to this definition, not just orgasms by hand but oral-genital contact you pay for legal in North Carolina.

===============================================================

Massachusetts as another example:

http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter272/Section53A

Accessed October 29, 2012:

(Please forgive the (be) and (see) for the letters that sound like those words. This web site's automatic editing changes the second and third letters in the alphabet, when written as single letters, into the words be and see. I've already asked Jackson or the current site administrator to stop using that automatic editing program in a comment in the appropriate thread or forum.)

[Text of section effective until February 19, 2012. For text effective February 19, 2012, see below. ]

Section 53A. (a) Whoever engages, agrees to engage, or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee, or whoever pays, agrees to pay, or offers to pay another person to engage in sexual conduct, or to agree to engage in sexual conduct with another natural person, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 1 year or by a fine of not more than $500 or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

(be) Whoever pays, agrees to pay, or offers to pay any person with the intent to engage in sexual conduct with a child under the age of 14, or whoever is paid, agrees to pay, or agrees that a third person be paid in return for aiding a person who intends to engage in sexual conduct with a child under the age of 14, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 10 years or in the house of correction for not more than 21/2 years, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

Chapter 272: Section 53A. Engaging in sexual conduct for a fee; engaging in sexual conduct with child under age 18 for a fee; penalties.

[ Text of section as amended by 2011, 178, Sec. 25 effective February 19, 2012. For text effective until February 19, 2012, see above. ]

Section 53A. (a) Whoever engages, agrees to engage or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 1 year or by a fine of not more than $500, or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

(be) Whoever pays, agrees to pay or offers to pay another person to engage in sexual conduct, or to agree to engage in sexual conduct with another person, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 2 and one-half years or by a fine of not less than $1, 000 and not more than $5, 000, or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

(see) Whoever pays, agrees to pay or offers to pay any person with the intent to engage in sexual conduct with a child under the age of 18, or whoever is paid, agrees to pay or agrees that a third person be paid in return for aiding a person who intends to engage in sexual conduct with a child under the age of 18, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 10 years, or in the house of correction for not more than 2 and one-half years and by a fine of not less than $3, 000 and not more than $10, 000, or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not; provided, however, that a prosecution commenced under this section shall not be continued without a finding or placed on file.

===============================================================

I couldn't find a definition of "sexual conduct" in the Massachusetts statutes, but I did find this on a Massachusetts lawyer's web site:

http://www.bostoncriminallawyer.com/lawyer-attorney-1614225.html

Accessed October 29, 2012:

"The legal definition of 'sexual conduct' in Massachusetts includes intercourse, oral sex and any intrusion of a part of someone's body or some other object into the genital or anal area of another person's body."

Since giving a man an orgasm with a hand or hands only doesn't involve an intrusion of a part of her body "into" any part of his body, I don't see how the Massachusetts law against "sexual conduct * * * in return for a fee" is violated when a masseuse gives a man an orgasm with only her hand or hands.

===============================================================

Let's look at Georgia's law:

16-6-9. Prostitution.

A person commits the offense of prostitution when he or she performs or offers or consents to perform a sexual act, including but not limited to sexual intercourse or sodomy, for money or other items of value.

http://statutes.laws.com/georgia/title-16/chapter-6/16-6-9

Accessed October 29, 2012.

So the next question is whether hand to genital contact, or oral-genital contact, is defined as a "sexual act" in Georgia.

Georgia statute 16-6-2. Sodomy; aggravated sodomy.

(a) A person commits the offense of sodomy when he performs or submits to any sexual act involving the sex organs of one person and the mouth or anus of another.

Georgia statute 16-6-5. 1. Sexual assault against persons in custody; sexual assault against person detained or patient in hospital or other institution; sexual assault by practitioner of psychotherapy against patient. (a) As used in this Code section, the term:

* * *

4."Sexual contact" means any contact for the purpose of sexual gratification of the actor with the intimate parts of a person not married to the actor. * * *

However, that definition seems to apply to only sexual assault against persons in custody or in psychotherapy and for the sexual gratification of the "actor", who in a massage parlor would be the masseuse. I'd have look at the court decisions to say for sure, but what I've found so-far gives me the impression one could reasonably argue hand jobs for compensation for gratification of the recipient rather than the actor are legal in Georgia.

Param

Param Ahmad

10-30-12, 05:26

Sorry. 16-6-16 makes "masturbation for hire" a misdemeanor, and defines it.

"A person, including a masseur or masseuse, commits the offense of masturbation for hire when he erotically stimulates the genital organs of another, whether resulting in orgasm or not, by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse or by instrumental manipulation for money or the substantial equivalent thereof."

Whether or not they're actively pursuing massage parlor patrons I cannot say.Thanks for finding that statute. It didn't come up when I looked on-line for Georgia's prostitution laws.

The Georgia statute, Section 16-6-16,"masturbation for hire" by its language makes the act a misdemeanor for the masseuse but not for the customer.

Also, it is a misdemeanor only if the masseuse gives a customer a hand job for hire. So if a customer pays for a massage, and the masseuse gives him a massage and while they are together does a hand job without being paid for specifically for the hand job (doesn't ask for more money to do a hand job) , it can be argued the massage was for hire but the hand job was not. So in a way, what the Georgia law does is outlaw what on this web site is sometimes called "upselling", which may be to the customer's advantage.

If a law enforcement officer were to pose as a customer and ask For* masturbation for hire, there would be a strong argument that constitutes entrapment, which in many if not all states of the USA a defense to a criminal charge. Probably in most if not all states it is illegal for a law enforcement officer to ask you to do something that is illegal and then arrest or charge you for doing what the law enforcement officer asked you to do. So a masseuse is probably safe if she gives a customer a hand job only after he asks for one.

In states where it is a crime for the customer ask for a sexual act for which he pays explicitly, customers need to be careful how they phrase their requests.

But in Georgia, what I've seen so far still makes it seem to me customers seeking "manual release" from a masseuse can ask for it without breaking any laws.

Param.

*Just so readers know it's not sloppy typing on my part, this web site's automatic editing software automatically capitalizes the first letter of the first word following an underlined word regardless of how many times the writer (me in this case) tries to change it, apparently unless the underlined word is followed by a comma.

JoMeek

11-06-12, 03:43

Hi guys looking for nice sexy massage I live 10 mins from Fulton ky I'm not looking for any offers for sex please. I have to get know someone I'm well known on back page check my post and pics. I love becoming good friends 731_334_8651.

150 hr.

Massage me to225 hr.

Location union city TN martin tnnhugsHi Katie,

You may want to connect with a nice woman over at Ultimate Touch in Florence, Ky. She seems to have a great no nonsense business with a decent clientele. Maybe she'll want to partner & offer a 4 hands session to her business. Her name is Deanna. Very friendly & can use the business.

Best Wishes Hun!

Member #4335

12-16-12, 15:58

219105

219106

219107

Lets have some fun with this massage! All you should do is call! 513`497`9605.

Massaging is a sensual experience that no one should have to do alone! I give the hottest massage in town!

$150 massage in my bikini to retire it until next summer! I won't do this again so this is your chance then its back to daddy's little girl!

513-497-9605

Param Ahmad

12-17-12, 04:11

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x719506106/Woman-faces-sex-charge-after-undercover-Sudbury-sting?zc_p=1

Woman faces sex charge after undercover Sudbury sting.

By Brian Benson / Daily News staff.

The MetroWest Daily News.

Posted Dec 14, 2012

A Massachusetts masseuse whose customer was a law enforcement officer was charged with 'sexual conduct' for a fee after she did a gesture indicating she was offering to do a hand job for a fee. Using a gesture rather than quotable words did not protect her from being arrested and charged with a violation.

Only a month and a half before in my report on 10-29-2012, Report #207, here in the Forum / Special Interests / Massages thread I'd written this about the Massachusetts law:

"

http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/Ge.272/Section53A

"Chapter 272: Section 53A. Engaging in sexual conduct for a fee.

Section 53A. (a) Whoever engages, agrees to engage or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 1 year or by a fine of not more than $500, or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

[I wrote]:"I couldn't find a definition of "sexual conduct" in the Massachusetts statutes, but I did find this on a Massachusetts lawyer's web site:

"

http://www.bostoncriminallawyer.com/.y-1614225.html

"Accessed October 29, 2012:

"The legal definition of 'sexual conduct' in Massachusetts includes intercourse, oral sex and any intrusion of a part of someone's body or some other object into the genital or anal area of another person's body."

[I wrote]:"Since giving a man an orgasm with a hand or hands only doesn't involve an intrusion of a part of her body "into" any part of his body, I don't see how the Massachusetts law against "sexual conduct * * * in return for a fee" is violated when a masseuse gives a man an orgasm with only her hand or hands."

Obviously, the arresting officer had a broader definition of 'sexual conduct' in mind than the lawyer whose web cite I quoted in the above report. Since the Massachusetts statute does not define what is meant by 'sexual conduct', and the lawyer's web site defines the term in a way that does not include what the masseuse offered to do, I think she has a valid defense.

Nevertheless, forewarned is forearmed.

What Massachusetts masseuses need to do is go ahead with a hand job if the customer seems aroused but NOT ask for a separate fee for the hand job. In other words, forget the 'upselling' and hope the customer will tip generously. Asking for a separate fee for anything sexual, even a hand job, is asking for trouble. A customer accepting such an explicit offer is also asking for trouble although in my opinion if it winds up in court he also has a valid defense.

Ernie7749

12-25-12, 03:53

Does anybody have any experiences to share. Good or bad. Regarding massage parlor girl Cameron in Somerset NJ?

Froggy2

02-07-13, 19:48

Thought I would get a discussion going here from those who have more experience, or thoughts. In the general area here (Northwest) there seem to be 4 distinct kinds of AMP's. The first is the completly.

Legit place, may have attractive women, but no tease, or even a hind of a tease, let alone a HE. Then next up is the one that is similar to the full legit, but does a little tease by rubbing their crotch on your arms, or

Head while doing the massage, but thats as far as it goes. Then there are the ones that look legit, but do a lot of teasing, touching and handling your junk, then at the end pretends to not know why you want a HE,

But always is happy with the tip in the end, sometimes good experience, sometimes not so good. Then the ones that make very few bones about it, light touch turn and down to business as quick as they can get.

You done and out the door.

Is this a normal mix for the rest of the country? None of the above are very satisfying as a single stop, want to have a good massage, and something else, but want it to be a stress free experince, which none of the above have.

Will look forward to your observations.

F2

AbcBoys

10-28-14, 15:09

There are various of different types of erotic massage techniques, such as Lomi Massage and Nuru Massage.

Here are some difference erotic massage techniques http://www.wikisexguide.com/wiki/Erotic_massage.

Toshi69

10-29-14, 12:40

In the states, most often poorly done, and big bucks.

There are various of different types of erotic massage techniques, such as Lomi Massage and Nuru Massage.

Here are some difference erotic massage techniques http://www.wikisexguide.com/wiki/Erotic_massage.

PdxGuy

10-30-14, 02:30

Anything Cool

11-29-14, 19:49

They all give HE, the teasing and touching are just signs that it is available.In Minnesota we have shops and independents that offer "DIY" massage. They tease etc, but it is up to you to take care of matters in the end.

It's not to my taste, but some guys here love it.

Iamme Iam

03-27-15, 20:05

There is a local AMP (without table shower) that I frequent, the girl I see, is more than likely close to 40, but decent face and shape. I have seen her between 6-8 times I believe in the past 6 months, and she remembers me by name and what I like. With this general info, completed, now, the reason I am posting to the general Massage page. I enjoy a soft massage, and start on my stomach, I enjoy teasing early, within 15 minutes, I usually move up onto all 4's and stay there until I am ready for a HR (yeah a Tug)(that's all that is available here) Today I tried something new, I stayed on my knees and didn't flip onto my back, but had the girl continue a massage / tease while I was upright. She touched my abbs / chest and a little more teasing. This was going well enough, I requested the only extra I can get here, which is a shirt up, bra down. Then she moved to my side, and I left her to the tug, while I had 1 hand on a breast, the other sort of fell naturally down onto her ass. She didn't mind a little UTC feely on the ass, so I stayed there, and she completed while I was in this position.

This kneeling felt good enough, I think I will repeat, and offer this idea up for guys who are regulars and looking for something different. I am sure I didn't invent this, but wonder what other positions guys have enjoyed. I believe I read a guy who sits on the edge and is finished while sitting upright. Imagine standing must also be a choice.

Purple Porkchop

05-21-15, 01:52

More and more places in SE PA (not Phila) are DIY. Its like they are a chain--same pricing sighs and NO SEX SERVICE warning.

Once I started and said, 'Now its your turn!' Even had $40 ready to make sure she understood. No luck.

What is going on?

What is scary is that other areas of the country are experiencing the same thing.

ANY THOUGHTS PLEASE?

When I was a kid I'd get penthouse and jack off. Are things digressing?

P Chop.

SamisAwesome

06-07-15, 00:08

I've regularly attended AMPs for a few years now, but am seeing a girl that I think would be interested in going with me. Do the massage ladies / mama san allow couples to partake in the massage / after party? I have 2 regular places I go to, but was thinking I would try to take my lady friend somewhere different so she doesn't get the wrong idea about my history.

XxWNationxX

06-16-15, 18:40

I'm interested in these massages. Don't know where to find one. Closest place where they most likely have is San Francisco.

Need some feed back so I know where to go and an idea on how much it typically cost.

TwistedFace

11-14-15, 13:37

Not sure if this is the right place for this but I need help. I have been getting massages with happy endings for a good while (no FS or BJ. Just HJ). Recently, when I get excited and my shaft is moved to a certain angle, I get a sharp nerve pain in the back of leg. This pain can occur as well if the grip is too tight during stroking. I sometimes get this pain randomly but that's very infrequent. Has anyone had this? Googling around makes it seem like it might be a sciatic nerve issue.

Rustys

12-30-15, 00:11

YsGolf

02-07-16, 18:36

Any good suggestions for sites with good real vids of HE massages? I've found a few, but need some new content if you get my drift.

DeskJockey

03-24-16, 09:24

I actually learned to give massages from a very highly skilled and licensed therapist, now the question is how do I use this skill? I love massaging women.

RookingForGood

08-29-16, 13:49

This thread doesn't get a lot of traffic, but I think this is the best spot for my post. Has anyone used Soothe? It's like the Uber for massages. Massage seekers use the app to request a massage to their location. It's currently in many major urban areas. I feel a little badly for providers for whom HJs are far from their mind, yet at least a third (more? LOL) of the dudes out there using the app are looking for a little extra. Look forward to hearing about positive experiences.BBW black chick came over and let me get totally naked for the massage. She didn't do anything sexual and the massage ended, then I asked her point blank to jerk me off and she said "for $20 I got you. " I couldn't believe it! Awesome handjob and I will definitely see her again. Might even ask if she wants to trade numbers so we don't go through the app. Use my referral code for $30 off just message me I'll send it to you.

Gatorbit

10-22-17, 08:05

Is this true also for Brooklyn Park? I will be going there for work soon and need a good AMP provider.

Gatorbit

10-22-17, 08:06

Didn't know about this App. Thanks. I will definitely try it out.

Samnatha Moore

10-25-17, 03:43

Any good suggestions for sites with good real vids of HE massages? I've found a few, but need some new content if you get my drift.I found one best and reliable agency site which can provide the services at an affordable price. You can visit them here: http://www.sexadir.com/home.asp.

HungryEye

12-27-17, 06:37

Anybody get lucky off this site?

SweetMaturity

04-10-18, 03:53

[Commercial Message deleted by Admin]

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was redacted or deleted because it appeared to be a commercial message and/or it contained links to a commercial website. All commercial advertising must be posted at our new site, The USA Adult Classifieds http://usaadultclassifieds.info Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines and the Forum's FAQ for further information.

PlayerN818

06-24-18, 10:42

Didn't know about this App. Thanks. I will definitely try it out.

I actually learned to give massages from a very highly skilled and licensed therapist, now the question is how do I use this skill? I love massaging women.Try what I do: On the flip, offer to give the provider a massage. I've never had one refuse, and if you're skilled, the payback can be awesome.

Hobby Cat 55

01-22-19, 10:55

Try what I do: On the flip, offer to give the provider a massage. I've never had one refuse, and if you're skilled, the payback can be awesome.I'll second this one. A few times though it cut into my time so before I start I say this is on your time not mine. Stay away from her breast / Puss for a few minutes so she knows your not just there to grab her and cop-a-feel. By the time your done she is wet and wanting you to grab her puss! They use there hands, arms, neck so much so I start there and work my way around. Usually they are holding my junk while I doing all this so it's a win / win. Play Safe HC55.

PlayerN818

10-04-19, 11:01

I'll second this one. A few times though it cut into my time so before I start I say this is on your time not mine. Stay away from her breast / Puss for a few minutes so she knows your not just there to grab her and cop-a-feel. By the time your done she is wet and wanting you to grab her puss! They use there hands, arms, neck so much so I start there and work my way around. Usually they are holding my junk while I doing all this so it's a win / win. Play Safe HC55.If you really want to win their hearts, have them get a warm towel, take off their shoes, wipe their feet down and give them a long foot massage. Then back of legs, focus on calves, then lower back. Also hands and tops of shoulders. Figure you're giving one or two for free before you reap some very cool rewards. IF you don't, move on. There are plenty of providers who will go over on time if you helping them "relax".

RemsenSt

11-22-19, 10:26

If you really want to win their hearts, have them get a warm towel, take off their shoes, wipe their feet down and give them a long foot massage. Then back of legs, focus on calves, then lower back. Also hands and tops of shoulders. Figure you're giving one or two for free before you reap some very cool rewards. IF you don't, move on. There are plenty of providers who will go over on time if you helping them "relax".I can confirm that this works!

George2020

05-10-20, 11:34

Any experience with providers on this site?

TheBoobHound

03-15-21, 10:15

We frequently talk about whether a Mp is strictly legit or offers extra services. But did you ever read reviews on Yelp or Google for your favorite parlor? Sometimes there's reviews from men using coded (or not so coded) language. But also occasionally reviews from customers who apparently don't know what the place is about. I've seen reviews from female customers praising the massage skills, mentioning by name the same girls who offer HJs or even sex to male customers. If only they knew.

It's more common to see denigrating reviews from women though. Sometimes they see the MP for what it is and write a bad review on account of that. Other times they just report a negative attitude and very rushed massage. I think this is because MPs view female customers as low tipping wastes of time and just want to get them out the door as soon as possible.

Now yesterday I was at a spa and the phone rang a couple of times. The phone was loud enough that I heard both sides of the conversation. The first call was from a guy who wanted massages for himself and his wife. After the call my girl told me this couple were regular customers of the spa and that they only want legitimate massages. My girl wasn't looking forward to the appointment because the couple only tipped $20 to split between both girls for the hour massage.

Later the phone rang a second time right as we were finishing. It was a female calling to make an appointment for a massage. My girl was literally naked and wiping cum off her tits as this clueless caller was inquiring about the type of back massage the spa offered.

I guess this spa appears high in the google search results of people seeking legit massage.

CamCamMan

04-01-21, 18:57

Lowless95

04-08-21, 02:22

Need your advice.

I want to try something new, I think to contact https://ecstasy.pl/en/.

Maybe someone worked with them?

TheBoobHound

06-22-21, 12:31

You mentioned something about guys using "coded" words to tip others that the legit Spa offers "extras". I have tried a couple legit Spa's thinking I knew "the code" but I struck out both times. Any tips? I'm about to adventure out again after wallowing in my disappointment for a couple months. Thanks in advance.Hmm. I've seen phrases like "girl ABC was extremely accommodating of every request". But in those cases I already had experienced service from ABC and so I knew what the guy meant. I haven't seen a review like that and then visited a spa after being clued in. Probably still best to trust monger sites.

Meanwhile a few weeks ago I had an even more blatant encounter with clueless customers than my original post. I visited a spa and was brought into a room and told to wait a few minutes. I could overhear my girl escorting out and talking two previous customers. A male and female couple, middle aged from the sound of it. The wife was totally oblivious that the friendly masseuse would be sucking the cock of the next customer (me) in about 20 minutes.

Was the first time I ever overheard the voice of a female customer in an AMP. Granted, this place does try to give off very legitimate vibes

JimmyReagan73

06-26-21, 20:20

Heh. This would have been a week or two before the US went on lockdown and I was out in the greater bay area getting a massage. Started with the table shower and had a nice BJ so was rock hard with a towel around my waist being walked back to the room when I guess the providers had their wires crossed and there is a fit middle aged housewife in a way too small robe getting walked to the (other?) shower. Our eyes lock for a moment, she looks down and sees my very noticeable tent, and then she just freaks out and tries to pull her robe tighter (which just exposes more skin) while apologizing to me because I guess she was a lot more embarrassed than I was. Providers say something in korean and then both start apologizing profusely. Not sure what happened to Stacy's Mom but my provider and I had a good laugh while we finished what she started.

Was looking forward to checking for any reviews but then the world more or less ended and people forgot to update yelp and google maps.

PrincetonWv

01-24-22, 16:57

[Commercial Message deleted by Admin]

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was redacted or deleted because it appeared to be a commercial message and/or it contained links to a commercial website. All commercial advertising must be posted at our new site, The USA Adult Classifieds http://theclassifieds.nl Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines and the Forum's FAQ for further information.

Qjikaiqiang

02-28-22, 21:49

[Commercial Message deleted by Admin]

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was redacted or deleted because it appeared to be a commercial message and/or it contained links to a commercial website. All commercial advertising must be posted at our new site, The USA Adult Classifieds http://theclassifieds.nl Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines and the Forum's FAQ for further information.

Johnny Shakes

04-30-22, 06:19

I love Thai massage.

JimmyReagan73

04-02-23, 22:50

Spent the past couple of years checking out various forms of "massage". Figured it would be worth discussing considering that "massage" at this site more or less means AMP which more or less means "Half-hearted rub and a fuck".

* Japanese Nuru Massage: had this in japan a few times a few years back and this is very much the cream of the crop. Part of it is just the "service" aspect of this with a gorgeous woman literally bathing you (and checking if your dick is covered in sores) before sucking on you in a tub and then going crazy to rub you down before finishing on the air mattress. It is very much the same logic as "I am going to rub your ass a bit to grind your crotch into the table so you have a boner" but it is just an overall package.

* Western Nuru Massage: Tried this in the US and UK. It is. Fine. Take a shower and maybe she'll help you out a bit. And then more or less an AMP but a lot messier.

* Tie and Tease: This starts to get into the bondage realm, but this has become one of my favorite sessions. Tend to book closer to an escort than not, but the price is usually considerably lower (without a provider who looks like she has a lot of miles and rubbed her face against the asphalt for all of them). The idea usually being to start with a bit of mutual touch to get you going before restraining you in some form and a provider going all out to edge you until an amazing climax. And all providers I have tried this with are knowledgeable enough to read body language so they more or less handle everything regarding edging and you are helpless until you explode a few minutes before the session ends. Aside from the "relaxation" aspect of not needing to drive a session, I have also found that providers are willing to go a lot farther if they know you won't be able to push things too far. Frotting, pushing the session a bit farther, and even just a much more "relaxed" session where you are both laughing and having fun rather than the awkward silence as you pound a way and ask where you can stick what. Actual bondage sessions can potentially go farther, but are very much a different thing.

* Milking Tables: I have yet to have a good experience with this. In theory, the idea is that it is a massage coupled with edging. But every provider I have tried this with, across multiple countries, seems to be a worst of all worlds. It is a way for them to provide a barrier between massage and escorting and, rather than take advantage of the table, feels like a shitty massage followed by a handjob as the provider sits out of reach below the table. And all providers I have tried with this aren't great at reading body language so the edging aspect boils down to them waiting for you to instruct them and. A fleshlight launch is cheaper.

So yeah. AMPs are a great way to get a low price escort without playing the game to find someone who isn't a flake. But do not ignore the more "specialized" types of massage.