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First, I appreciate the guidance. I know nothing about the cloud though. Best way to learn? And isn't there a paper trail for an EBay purchase? Can I get a smartphone burner that's totally anonymous?Be careful with the phone, I got caught up with one because the alarm went off on it somehow and then it was found by the SO. I no longer keep the phone in the house. My mistake, but things happen.
You can get a cheap burner phone from the convenience store, and just add time as needed. That is what I'm doing now. The cloud seems cool, but I don't like storing stuff online, and a lot of the google stuff asks for contact information etc. I don't know that much about the cloud, but it hasnt interested me so far.
I'm still keeping things on a locked drive, like you.
Thanks for all the tips fellas. For those of you who haven't upgraded to the payment plan on that site, how successful have you been?
FarFarAway
06-15-16, 20:29
Be careful with the phone, I got caught up with one because the alarm went off on it somehow and then it was found by the SO. I no longer keep the phone in the house. My mistake, but things happen.
You can get a cheap burner phone from the convenience store, and just add time as needed. That is what I'm doing now. The cloud seems cool, but I don't like storing stuff online, and a lot of the google stuff asks for contact information etc. I don't know that much about the cloud, but it hasnt interested me so far.
I'm still keeping things on a locked drive, like you.You can encrypt a flash drive, yes? I am even keeping that drive in my office, not at home. The only thing on the home Flash is the Tor browser.
For SA, do both members need to be premium to talk?
A premium sent me a reply and I can not read it. So if I go premium, those that are not premium can not replay to me?
John HandCock
06-16-16, 01:52
For SA, do both members need to be premium to talk?
A premium sent me a reply and I can not read it. So if I go premium, those that are not premium can not replay to me?If she is a paying member you should be able to read and reply.
For SA, do both members need to be premium to talk?
A premium sent me a reply and I can not read it. So if I go premium, those that are not premium can not replay to me?No, just one person has to have a premium account. But most girls aren't going to pay for a premium account --there's a reason they're looking for sugar daddies.
John HandCock
06-16-16, 09:47
No, just one person has to have a premium account. But most girls aren't going to pay for a premium account --there's a reason they're looking for sugar daddies.I asked one young lady who was a premium member why she would pay. She stated she hadn't and thought she was upgraded to premium because she had provided proof that she was a college student.
FarFarAway
06-16-16, 10:45
No, just one person has to have a premium account. But most girls aren't going to pay for a premium account --there's a reason they're looking for sugar daddies.I thought that if a girl could 'prove' she was a college student she gets a premium account for free. Of course, they have to be willing to give up some personal info (actual identity likely) to the site.
HollywoodGuy
06-16-16, 21:35
I thought that if a girl could 'prove' she was a college student she gets a premium account for free. Of course, they have to be willing to give up some personal info (actual identity likely) to the site.Most girls with a premium account do it without realizing they can talk to any guy that does have one. Any guy that doesn't can't be that serious. So its a good qualifier.
FarFarAway
06-17-16, 11:27
Say, when any of you gents started sugaring, did you suddenly get a much heavier beard? This is incredible. In a little over a week, I have *really* noticed the change. Lots of natural 'roids raging. I might even * the SO.
I met a girl from CL I posted in the OC board, because it fit there better. Anyhow, she is 20 yo, and has had one prior SD. I asked how she met him.
She said he saw her at Starbucks and gave her a note saying he thought she was attractive, and included his SA username. She checked it out, signed up and began speaking with him. She was with him for a year and a half, that just ended. And now she has found me LOL. Setting up future meets.
FarFarAway
06-18-16, 08:45
I met a girl from CL I posted in the OC board, because it fit there better. Anyhow, she is 20 yo, and has had one prior SD. I asked how she met him.
She said he saw her at Starbucks and gave her a note saying he thought she was attractive, and included his SA username. She checked it out, signed up and began speaking with him. She was with him for a year and a half, that just ended. And now she has found me LOL. Setting up future meets.I can't find the post- on what thread? There isn't a CL thread for OC.
The Tall Man
06-18-16, 14:55
I met a girl from CL I posted in the OC board, because it fit there better. Anyhow, she is 20 yo, and has had one prior SD. I asked how she met him.
She said he saw her at Starbucks and gave her a note saying he thought she was attractive, and included his SA username. She checked it out, signed up and began speaking with him. She was with him for a year and a half, that just ended. And now she has found me LOL. Setting up future meets.Yes I learn something new everyday and I like this approach with a nice complementary note to an attractive young lady. It gets me to think that the best is to be ready for the right circumstances, in other words I need to have a note already prepared, heck on my business travels just this past week I could have and should have used this as I meet 2 or 3 friendly young lady's in the airport and on flight.
Thanks for sharing.
TTM.
You might want to do a trial run of cloud storage to see if that's convenient and secure for you. One recommendation is not to go with Google Drive as (assuming that you have a legit gmail account) Google might try to default you to your regular account. For storing mongering related files you might want to pick up a pure cloud service such as Box or Dropbox.
And if you want to buy a used smartphone burner without any paper trail you should look to buy from Craigslist by paying cash.
First, I appreciate the guidance. I know nothing about the cloud though. Best way to learn? And isn't there a paper trail for an EBay purchase? Can I get a smartphone burner that's totally anonymous?
FarFarAway
06-20-16, 11:17
I posted questions earlier about how to handle cash needs as a MBL but didn't get replies. These are the solutions I have come up with. The best is a casino or racetrack. They love to pay you off in cash, preferably hundreds. I recommend these. There is something special about a $100 bill that is not comparable to 5 $20's. Of course, you have to be a good enough gambler to be able to generate the winnings to support the SB habit. You also have to be cautious about not getting winnings that trigger an IRS filing, which the SO is going to wonder about when she sees it on the tax return.
Otherwise, this is how I am moving cash that hopefully should not be noticed. I have brokerage accounts that will send wires. It is crucial you use the wire, not the standard thing many are using these days, ACH transfer. This is stuff like online bill pay or electronic check. For all of the, the payee or payor is listed on the statement. For my broker, all that shows up on the statement is 'Outgoing wire'. I do this now and then for purchases of private securities. It should not raise an alarm should the SO ever look at the brokerage statement, which almost never happens (though long ago I did get busted this way).
Where does the wire go? I opened an account with an online bank. You can find a prominent one yourself. They have an ATM network that charges no fees. The wire goes there and then I can go make a withdrawal of my sugar. I haven't figured out yet the daily limit on cash withdrawals. The interest my bank pays on a checking account balance right now is only 0. 1%. I intend to have my $ in residence in the account for only a short time. Therefore, there should be negligible interest accumulating over the year and I won't be getting a 1099-I from that bank account. As an online bank there won't be any mailing to my house. There is only the one-time mailing of a signature card and the ATM card. I get the mail so I can intercept these.
FarFarAway
06-25-16, 00:37
I recall reading in some of the Richmond highlights that some of you have the experience that some SBs like to be dominated. This hasn't been part of my civi game and I am trying to figure out how to play it. Is there an indication in the profile of a girl, or her messages, that she is seeking 'guidance'? Is it the one's who have daddy issues? Is there any particular demographic of girl who tends to be the ones who want to be submissive. If you divine a girl is submissive and overplay your hand, then she thinks your a tool, right?
HollywoodGuy
06-25-16, 13:58
I recall reading in some of the Richmond highlights that some of you have the experience that some SBs like to be dominated. This hasn't been part of my civi game and I am trying to figure out how to play it. Is there an indication in the profile of a girl, or her messages, that she is seeking 'guidance'? Is it the one's who have daddy issues? Is there any particular demographic of girl who tends to be the ones who want to be submissive. If you divine a girl is submissive and overplay your hand, then she thinks your a tool, right?A recent exchange on SA.
ME about 15 hours ago.
I've just given you access to my private photos, go to my profile to view them.
HER about 15 hours ago.
Honestly I'm looking for a friend, someone who can open my eyes to life, teach me, show me new ways to look at life, and to learn about my sexual life.
HER about 15 hours ago.
I'm a newbie all the way around.
ME about 15 hours ago.
And I am very experienced. I will teach you, train you, and show you, the real deal about what it means to be a good little girl for Daddy.
HER about 15 hours ago.
Thank you, would you like to exchange numbers?
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Will this lead to anything? maybe, and maybe not. But its a start. My intro letter to them lets them know I have a shoulder for them to lean on, if they are looking for that sort of thing. In spite of any pre-screening, I usually never know for sure until I meet them. The first date will tell all. And some are submissive and some are not.
John HandCock
06-25-16, 14:10
I recall reading in some of the Richmond highlights that some of you have the experience that some SBs like to be dominated. This hasn't been part of my civi game and I am trying to figure out how to play it. Is there an indication in the profile of a girl, or her messages, that she is seeking 'guidance'? Is it the one's who have daddy issues? Is there any particular demographic of girl who tends to be the ones who want to be submissive. If you divine a girl is submissive and overplay your hand, then she thinks your a tool, right?Its simple, put in your profile what your looking for. You will get replies from whatever kink <are looking for. Just have to sort through the replies for what you are looking for. Sorting through means pro, utr, and actual subs.
HollywoodGuy
06-25-16, 18:27
Its simple, put in your profile what your looking for. You will get replies from whatever kink <are looking for. Just have to sort through the replies for what you are looking for. Sorting through means pro, utr, and actual subs.The only thing is, once you start meeting a lot of girls, you find many of them lie and feign interest in your requests, just hoping somehow whatever it is they do have to offer is enough to assuage your feelings of not getting what you had originally hoped for. And sometimes they surprise you with more than you hoped for. So its worth it in the end when you do get it. Whatever your "it" is.
HollywoodGuy
06-25-16, 19:45
Just saw an SB "friend" of mine. We never sugar dated. We met on SA and decided the connection was on the friend level right from the get go. Anyway I have known her a few months. She had a guy that was paying $$$$$ a date. This girl is upscale in attitude but far from anything most of the guys on here would even consider paying at all. Anyway I asked her how was her SD and she tells me she fired him and switched to a new guy for a G a date / twice a month. Nice work if you can get it.
Christophe1
06-26-16, 01:00
I posted questions earlier about how to handle cash needs as a MBL but didn't get replies. These are the solutions I have come up with. The best is a casino or racetrack. They love to pay you off in cash, preferably hundreds. I recommend these. There is something special about a $100 bill that is not comparable to 5 $20's. Of course, you have to be a good enough gambler to be able to generate the winnings to support the SB habit. You also have to be cautious about not getting winnings that trigger an IRS filing, which the SO is going to wonder about when she sees it on the tax return.
Otherwise, this is how I am moving cash that hopefully should not be noticed. I have brokerage accounts that will send wires. It is crucial you use the wire, not the standard thing many are using these days, ACH transfer. This is stuff like online bill pay or electronic check. For all of the, the payee or payor is listed on the statement. For my broker, all that shows up on the statement is 'Outgoing wire'. I do this now and then for purchases of private securities. It should not raise an alarm should the SO ever look at the brokerage statement, which almost never happens (though long ago I did get busted this way).
Where does the wire go? I opened an account with an online bank. You can find a prominent one yourself. They have an ATM network that charges no fees. The wire goes there and then I can go make a withdrawal of my sugar. I haven't figured out yet the daily limit on cash withdrawals. The interest my bank pays on a checking account balance right now is only 0. 1%. I intend to have my $ in residence in the account for only a short time. Therefore, there should be negligible interest accumulating over the year and I won't be getting a 1099-I from that bank account. As an online bank there won't be any mailing to my house. There is only the one-time mailing of a signature card and the ATM card. I get the mail so I can intercept these.That is the stupidest thing I ever read.
Gamble?
If you got the capital, invest in a cash cow business. Shit, just pay someone to do all the work and take out your $60 grand.
Losers gamble.
FarFarAway
06-26-16, 08:32
That is the stupidest thing I ever read.
Gamble?
If you got the capital, invest in a cash cow business. Shit, just pay someone to do all the work and take out your $60 grand.
Losers gamble.Well, sorry to offend. But I have had five stacks of $100 bills handed to me at Santa Anita, with no IRS reporting. Yeah, if you can't do that, don't go that way.
HollywoodGuy
06-26-16, 18:43
Alicia and Destiny about 22 hours ago.
"We're negotiable but we we're thinking $250 each".
The one on the right is really nice. I bet they would go for $300 for the pair.
BenderOver
06-26-16, 20:30
Say, when any of you gents started sugaring, did you suddenly get a much heavier beard? This is incredible. In a little over a week, I have *really* noticed the change. Lots of natural 'roids raging. I might even * the SO.Sorry to hear about the raging hemorrhoids. Hope you don't have to "anus" the SO.
FarFarAway
06-26-16, 20:40
Sorry to hear about the raging hemorrhoids. Hope you don't have to "anus" the SO.The internet is not a good place for subtlety. Steroids, natural steroids.
HollywoodGuy
06-27-16, 02:09
I let my ATF sleep over for the first time ever Saturday night. I might do it again, I just don't want her to think I,m falling for her, and I,m not. At least I got to hit it twice instead of the usual once. But I canceled my M&G today as I was worried I might not be up to my usual performance standards after being drained the night before. I actually have 2 M&G's lined up. It's been tougher getting the M&G's due to me narrowing my focus. I basically had it made when I had my ATF, church girl, and UTR goin on. Between the three of them all my needs were being met. Getting all that back will be a lot of work or some amazing good luck.
HollywoodGuy
06-28-16, 02:46
Today I scheduled two M&G's for after work. And it's a good thing I did because one of them flaked. The one that showed was a very chill 19 year old mixed girl. Her less than perfect looks were more than made up for in personality. An old line but in this case true enough that I am sure I will see her again. She smiled a lot, laughed a lot, and did just enough to keep me entertained.
She had good stamina and decent skills and was the kind of girl you can just be yourself with and have a good time. She could use some training but was open to it and we did some experimenting while she was here. And she did have a good SD story to tell. She says the first SD she met (not on SA) paid her a G a day for five days. By the end of the 5 days he was basically stalking her and she figured she was rich, so she ditched him. But it got her to thinking, so she joined SA.
I'm still looking for my next sexy spinner. But I'll take what I can get in the meantime. Low ballers can't always be choosers. And thank you again uber pool. Its a game changer.
HollywoodGuy
06-28-16, 11:14
Melissaxc
Xxhollyx
Charlotteswebb
Three fake profiles. They all have the exact same wording.
"What I'm Looking for
Looking for a sugar daddy who will love me endlessly spoil me unconditionally and pamper my every need. ".
FarFarAway
06-28-16, 11:18
Melissaxc
Xxhollyx
Charlotteswebb
Three fake profiles. They all have the exact same wording.
"What I'm Looking for
Looking for a sugar daddy who will love me endlessly spoil me unconditionally and pamper my every need. ".These in the LA area? I usually set my radius to limit searches to OC.
HollywoodGuy
06-28-16, 17:07
These in the LA area? I usually set my radius to limit searches to OC.I only report on LA area activity.
Melissaxc
Xxhollyx
Charlotteswebb
Three fake profiles. They all have the exact same wording.
"What I'm Looking for
Looking for a sugar daddy who will love me endlessly spoil me unconditionally and pamper my every need. ".I tried communicating with them. They usually want you to send them money or when you press them for a meeting, they claim to be out of state on vacation.
FarFarAway
06-29-16, 23:40
I met a girl from CL I posted in the OC board, because it fit there better. Anyhow, she is 20 yo, and has had one prior SD. I asked how she met him.
She said he saw her at Starbucks and gave her a note saying he thought she was attractive, and included his SA username. She checked it out, signed up and began speaking with him. She was with him for a year and a half, that just ended. And now she has found me LOL. Setting up future meets.I want to PM you but your quota is full.
FarFarAway
07-01-16, 18:34
Bad M&G yesterday (no show. Yeah, right, food poisoning) turned into a great one today. 40's divorced MILF needing key $ for a new apartment. Quiet 90 min lunch became some hot car time. I am welcome at her place anytime. Beautiful blond, big, firm tits, cushy rear. What a relief! Now I like this bowl.
FarFarAway
07-01-16, 18:56
Anyone ever use a spa for a notel equivalent? For example, in Anaheim there is Neptune's Lagoons, which seems to rent rooms w / tubs / saunas by the hour at a reasonable rate. Seems like an ideal setup. Anyone know of similar businesses in other areas. Inland Empire, LB, LA?
Oh these prima donnas. This one is one of the prime examples. 33, pretentious photoshopped pictures, boasting throughout her profile about how great she is. This kind of response smells of so much insecurity: "Yes, I have been doing this for years and I am very experienced and firm on what I am looking for and not submissive in any shape or form. " *Sigh* Okay sweetie.
I take a few days to respond. Do these women think all we have to do is wait on their emails? I haven't responded and I get this: "Okie dokie. Guess that means you are no longer interested. Could have just said so! Best of luck!" Such passive aggressive BS. Thanks for letting me know how to act. But I don't bite tell her one of the primary reasons why I like the site is people understand how busy life can be. I ask her about her expectation and she quotes $$$ just to share the same dinner booth with her. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. 5 $'s to do the deed and 8 $'s if I have the honor of buying her dinner and fucking her.
I thank her for her being upfront tell her it doesn't fit my lifestyle and wish her the best of luck. But she of course can't let it go, as now she has been rejected. "No problem at all. Just a tip, it shows poor character and lack of respect to just not respond when in a conversation. If uninterested, it takes 2 seconds to say so. I would never want a disrespectful man in my life so wouldn't proceed anyway. Good luck finding a gal. Have a good holiday!" Yes, my terrible character because I didn't respond according to her timeline while she trolls the internet looking for the next sucker to pay her hundreds of dollars to watch her eat her salads.
I haven't ever responded to this shit, but this time, I just couldn't resist and I write " You have too much time on your hands. I have had plenty of successful relationships with great women. Too bad you chose to get offended by what was not intended to be a slight but I am certain it happens often in your life. " I wait a bit because I KNOW she will want to get in the last word. She blocks me and writes " Not at all, sir! None of my current sugar daddies or past ones ever had that to say about me. Good luck. I can see your desperation. Best of luck kiddo. " Oh, she has wounded me to the core. How can I go on? Hmmm I guess I'll think back to the last 5 days when I had a 22 yr. Deep throating me like the most seasoned pornstar and her pussy gripping my cock like another mouth and a few days after that when I had a 24 yr cumming over and over again with the sexiest moans and squeals I have heard. And for about the cost of one of her salads.
FarFarAway
07-02-16, 10:53
Another RESUME from the OC craigslist.
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/res/5663720205.html
Google the name she gives. She's an internet photo diva. I hit her IG page. Surely this is an UTR. Otherwise, why put your pic in an ad.
FarFarAway
07-02-16, 12:52
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/w4m/5663741900.html
She responded, so clearly is in the bowl.
HollywoodGuy
07-02-16, 14:42
Oh these prima donnas. This one is one of the prime examples. 33, pretentious photoshopped pictures, boasting throughout her profile about how great she is. This kind of response smells of so much insecurity: "Yes, I have been doing this for years and I am very experienced and firm on what I am looking for and not submissive in any shape or form. " *Sigh* Okay sweetie.
I take a few days to respond. Do these women think all we have to do is wait on their emails? I haven't responded and I get this: "Okie dokie. Guess that means you are no longer interested. Could have just said so! Best of luck!" Such passive aggressive BS. Thanks for letting me know how to act. But I don't bite tell her one of the primary reasons why I like the site is people understand how busy life can be. I ask her about her expectation and she quotes $$$ just to share the same dinner booth with her. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. 5 $'s to do the deed and 8 $'s if I have the honor of buying her dinner and fucking her.
I thank her for her being upfront tell her it doesn't fit my lifestyle and wish her the best of luck. But she of course can't let it go, as now she has been rejected. "No problem at all. Just a tip, it shows poor character and lack of respect to just not respond when in a conversation. If uninterested, it takes 2 seconds to say so. I would never want a disrespectful man in my life so wouldn't proceed anyway. Good luck finding a gal. Have a good holiday!" Yes, my terrible character because I didn't respond according to her timeline while she trolls the internet looking for the next sucker to pay her hundreds of dollars to watch her eat her salads.
I haven't ever responded to this shit, but this time, I just couldn't resist and I write " You have too much time on your hands. I have had plenty of successful relationships with great women. Too bad you chose to get offended by what was not intended to be a slight but I am certain it happens often in your life. " I wait a bit because I KNOW she will want to get in the last word. She blocks me and writes " Not at all, sir! None of my current sugar daddies or past ones ever had that to say about me. Good luck. I can see your desperation. Best of luck kiddo. " Oh, she has wounded me to the core. How can I go on? Hmmm I guess I'll think back to the last 5 days when I had a 22 yr. Deep throating me like the most seasoned pornstar and her pussy gripping my cock like another mouth and a few days after that when I had a 24 yr cumming over and over again with the sexiest moans and squeals I have heard. And for about the cost of one of her salads.It's always best to just ignore and never reply to girls that are not in YOUR game. Within two days max they become a distant memory.
HollywoodGuy
07-02-16, 16:12
Deleted236 on SA.
Looks pretty fresh and she is a UTR. Lives in the IE but goes to LA and carson on the weekends. Wants $$ but will go to $.5 if you push her. I am passing for now due to budgetary constraints. If anyone grabs her please post a report of your date.
HollywoodGuy
07-02-16, 16:40
dovelovey on SA.
One of my x's that I civi dated from a couple years ago. Sweet, nice and thick but proportionate girl. Always a good time. Definitely kinky as it says in her profile. I may see her again. Saw her maybe 12 times in 12 months at a local no-tel in her area. Your mileage and rates may vary. I have no current info on her.
It's always best to just ignore and never reply to girls that are not in YOUR game. Within two days max they become a distant memory.You are so right, but this one just got under my skin, who knows why.
So after reading a bunch of your posts on SA, I decides to take the plunge. And after about a month on the site as a premium member, I've decided to share some random thoughts on it:
1.) Many of the profiles on there are scam artists with the same story. They put LA as their location, and when you begin to chat with them, you find out they're out of state. And they all need you to send them money for a flight back. LOL.
2.) Many of the profiles on there have no intent on ever meeting you. Rather, they want you to send them money in exchange for "naughty" pics.
3.) The real ones want at least five benjis. I had one who was maybe an LA 6 have the nerve to ask for 10 benjis.
4.) The lower value ones are just not good looking, but that's all relative as some of you will just about shove your peens in anything breathing.
5.) The ones you can negotiate with are either UTR or straight up backpage pros. Some are just coming through LA to stir up business. I banged one who was out here from Fla on her way to vegas. She was pretty damn hot 22 yr old and was pretty much a pro. I didn't mind paying her reasonable rate even though she was, in her words, cutting me a huge deal. LOL.
Anyway, for me it's still debatable on whether or not this is all worth the premium membership. Back in the glory days of CL, you would find way better gems out there for ridiculously low cost. Now, it seems like all the girls have caught on and the market has gone way up.
Just my two cents.
HollywoodGuy
07-05-16, 10:31
So after reading a bunch of your posts on SA, I decides to take the plunge. And after about a month on the site as a premium member, I've decided to share some random thoughts on it:
1.) Many of the profiles on there are scam artists with the same story. They put LA as their location, and when you begin to chat with them, you find out they're out of state. And they all need you to send them money for a flight back. LOL.
2.) Many of the profiles on there have no intent on ever meeting you. Rather, they want you to send them money in exchange for "naughty" pics.
3.) The real ones want at least five benjis. I had one who was maybe an LA 6 have the nerve to ask for 10 benjis.
4.) The lower value ones are just not good looking, but that's all relative as some of you will just about shove your peens in anything breathing.
5.) The ones you can negotiate with are either UTR or straight up backpage pros. Some are just coming through LA to stir up business. I banged one who was out here from Fla on her way to vegas. She was pretty damn hot 22 yr old and was pretty much a pro. I didn't mind paying her reasonable rate even though she was, in her words, cutting me a huge deal. LOL.
Anyway, for me it's still debatable on whether or not this is all worth the premium membership. Back in the glory days of CL, you would find way better gems out there for ridiculously low cost. Now, it seems like all the girls have caught on and the market has gone way up.
Just my two cents.All very true, especially for someone who just signed up (meaning you).
You have to dig a lot deeper to get to the gold. It's a lot of work, but worth it in the end... at least that's been my experience.
John HandCock
07-05-16, 11:13
You are so right, but this one just got under my skin, who knows why.Rejection from someone who declines an offer for what we think they are worth does that. If they have the nerve to stick to their guns and get flippant with you in your exchange tends to send mongers over the edge.
Like HG said best to wish them luck and move on.
The Tall Man
07-05-16, 22:18
So after reading a bunch of your posts on SA, I decides to take the plunge. And after about a month on the site as a premium member, I've decided to share some random thoughts on it:
1.) Many of the profiles on there are scam artists with the same story. They put LA as their location, and when you begin to chat with them, you find out they're out of state. And they all need you to send them money for a flight back. LOL.
2.) Many of the profiles on there have no intent on ever meeting you. Rather, they want you to send them money in exchange for "naughty" pics.
3.) The real ones want at least five benjis. I had one who was maybe an LA 6 have the nerve to ask for 10 benjis.
4.) The lower value ones are just not good looking, but that's all relative as some of you will just about shove your peens in anything breathing.
5.) The ones you can negotiate with are either UTR or straight up backpage pros. Some are just coming through LA to stir up business. I banged one who was out here from Fla on her way to vegas. She was pretty damn hot 22 yr old and was pretty much a pro. I didn't mind paying her reasonable rate even though she was, in her words, cutting me a huge deal. LOL.
Anyway, for me it's still debatable on whether or not this is all worth the premium membership. Back in the glory days of CL, you would find way better gems out there for ridiculously low cost. Now, it seems like all the girls have caught on and the market has gone way up.
Just my two cents.I read the other response and I tend to side with your observations and experience. So true about the early days of CL, damn those were the days, now everywhere you turn is all about the scam or pros.
I add my five cents to your two and we end up with seven cents.
TTM.
I read the other response and I tend to side with your observations and experience. So true about the early days of CL, damn those were the days, now everywhere you turn is all about the scam or pros.
I add my five cents to your two and we end up with seven cents.
TTM.Great! All we need is to come up with another $69.92 and we can buy some poor PL a month's worth of membership on SA!
I read the other response and I tend to side with your observations and experience. So true about the early days of CL, damn those were the days, now everywhere you turn is all about the scam or pros.
I add my five cents to your two and we end up with seven cents.
TTM.Wow, my experience has been quite good. In the last year I have banged 2 18 yrs olds and all the rest under 30, except for one who had a incredible body for 39, she was a bit crazy though, so I moved one. 98% of them have had off the chart oral skills and the price point has always been $. I have had one working model, one who could have been. Two that never asked for a dime and was incredible in bed. Plus about three or four others. Looks have range from 5 -8. 5. Yes, not the best looking but neither am I, Ha! They stay for hours always give GFE and always give me head. If I had more disposable income, I would raise my limit and see what I could catch. But even on HX I have gone about three bills perhaps twice in my time there.
All very true, especially for someone who just signed up (meaning you).
You have to dig a lot deeper to get to the gold. It's a lot of work, but worth it in the end... at least that's been my experience.HG is correct (as usual). You have to spend a lot of time messaging, it's like cold calling hehe. I was discouraged at first but decided to put a little more time in and got smarter with my searches. Now I am fuk buddies with a small (5' 3") thicky thick latina (think mindy from the mindy project but with better ass). Neither of us have uttered a word about $$. A few others as well for around $, a couple that were very cute for the price too. Give it time sir.
HollywoodGuy
07-07-16, 03:59
HG is correct (as usual). You have to spend a lot of time messaging, it's like cold calling hehe. I was discouraged at first but decided to put a little more time in and got smarter with my searches. Now I am fuk buddies with a small (5' 3") thicky thick latina (think mindy from the mindy project but with better ass). Neither of us have uttered a word about $$. A few others as well for around $, a couple that were very cute for the price too. Give it time sir.Something rarely mentioned here. But if you can get it up for the mindy project girls, you might only have to pay about half the time. And at a $ you will never go hungry. I had one a couple years ago. Had her at .5 for a few dates. Very kinky, but not enough for me to offer more. Its always good to throw out some .5 offers to the ones that look to be in that range. And guys doing it. Report back.
HollywoodGuy
07-07-16, 12:49
There's nothing prettier than a pretty black girl. One of my x roommates decided to move back and is paying to rent an extra room from me at just slightly below market rates. I need the money and her presence will help me from getting lonely and also keep any other girl on her toes. A lot of these SB's are predatory, so having her around will help keep them in check. I might be old, but I'm no fool.
There's nothing prettier than a pretty black girl. One of my x roommates decided to move back and is paying to rent an extra room from me at just slightly below market rates. I need the money and her presence will help me from getting lonely and also keep any other girl on her toes. A lot of these SB's are predatory, so having her around will help keep them in check. I might be old, but I'm no fool.Good for you bro. Very nice tall glass of water right there! .
FarFarAway
07-07-16, 13:08
I have had no luck renewing my membership with a OneVanilla card that def has $70 on it. Has anyone else had this issue? They say on the help page that AMEX prepaids have to have $. 99 more than the charge to go through.
Something rarely mentioned here. But if you can get it up for the mindy project girls, you might only have to pay about half the time. And at a $ you will never go hungry. I had one a couple years ago. Had her at .5 for a few dates. Very kinky, but not enough for me to offer more. Its always good to throw out some .5 offers to the ones that look to be in that range. And guys doing it. Report back.Yessir, she is very down to earth and is just a sex-starved MILF who doesn't want the hassle of a relationship. We spoke this AM and I am going to help her with some IT stuff (webpage). I will hang on to her for a while because she has a very high sex drive and does not bug me with text all day long haha. Working on another one as well, but I think she is a UTR or PRO. I just have not found the ad yet. Link below:
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/b677c975-143b-62fb-f288-e54e79aa7202
Yessir, she is very down to earth and is just a sex-starved MILF who doesn't want the hassle of a relationship. We spoke this AM and I am going to help her with some IT stuff (webpage). I will hang on to her for a while because she has a very high sex drive and does not bug me with text all day long haha. Working on another one as well, but I think she is a UTR or PRO. I just have not found the ad yet. Link below:
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/b677c975-143b-62fb-f288-e54e79aa7202Amber T! She favorited me. After I let my account lapse. Cute!
HollywoodGuy
07-07-16, 13:41
Yessir, she is very down to earth and is just a sex-starved MILF who doesn't want the hassle of a relationship. We spoke this AM and I am going to help her with some IT stuff (webpage). I will hang on to her for a while because she has a very high sex drive and does not bug me with text all day long haha. Working on another one as well, but I think she is a UTR or PRO. I just have not found the ad yet. Link below:
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/b677c975-143b-62fb-f288-e54e79aa7202I like diamond bar. Did more than a few hot car dates there. It's a nice quiet place.
HollywoodGuy
07-07-16, 13:52
Good for you bro. Very nice tall glass of water right there! .She does look tall in that pic. She's like 5'6". Just tall enough. And thanks.
Deleted236 on SA.
Looks pretty fresh and she is a UTR. Lives in the IE but goes to LA and carson on the weekends. Wants $$ but will go to $.5 if you push her. I am passing for now due to budgetary constraints. If anyone grabs her please post a report of your date.That's interesting because she lists Substantial 10 K a month on her profile. What is your advice on approaching girls who list Substantial and will obviously take less?
HollywoodGuy
07-07-16, 20:25
That's interesting because she lists Substantial 10 K a month on her profile. What is your advice on approaching girls who list Substantial and will obviously take less?This is a good question. Generally if a girl is 18 or 19 I disregard their expectation amount. I mean why not ask for the moon day one? Geography is important. A girl from an obviously low or even middle income area is not really expecting to get rich charging for something she has given away freely up till now. A girl from the west SFV or west LA or southbay or is legitimately from BH or PV or newport might, and might not be too far off and could get a few g's a month. Or at least ask for it and stick to her guns. She may get nothing, meaning no takers, but if she is going to suck an old guys dick she is going to expect to be compensated for it.
If the girl is of true model quality and very light skinned, or white or asian you probably don't need to waste your time, as they have been getting offers of thousands of dollars since they can remember. I have banged a few hotties for a $ but at $$ you can get many fine girls of any race or age. At $$$ only the girls that have no intention of fucking anyone that isn't a newbie with an open wallet are yours no matter what they say. Now it just comes down to what you say and how you say it. But getting back to the original question. Hit up a few, or more than a few and see what kind of feedback you get from them.
Callmecrazy
07-07-16, 20:32
I have had no luck renewing my membership with a OneVanilla card that def has $70 on it. Has anyone else had this issue? They say on the help page that AMEX prepaids have to have $. 99 more than the charge to go through.I always use a vanilla gift card and never have an issue. I'm not sure if were talking about the same. I do have to go to the card website and register the card which usually only consist of a zip code. I usually get those that say "a gift for you" on the card itself. When I enter the card info on sa My first name is "a gift for" and last name is "you". I believe on sa it says to use "gift card" as rhe name which can be found if you click on "support" at the bottom of the homepage and then click on "payment information". As I said I've never had an issue as long as the card was registered and used the names as I've said. Hope that helps.
FarFarAway
07-07-16, 20:53
I always use a vanilla gift card and never have an issue. I'm not sure if were talking about the same. I do have to go to the card website and register the card which usually only consist of a zip code. I usually get those that say "a gift for you" on the card itself. When I enter the card info on sa My first name is "a gift for" and last name is "you". I believe on sa it says to use "gift card" as rhe name which can be found if you click on "support" at the bottom of the homepage and then click on "payment information". As I said I've never had an issue as long as the card was registered and used the names as I've said. Hope that helps.Yes, that's it. Someone on the Richmond board said he contacted payment wall and they helped him. I also wonder if my using Tor browser and appearing to be from Timbuktu is a problem. I may have to risk loss of anonymity with a regular browser. I have a regular monger name, address, and zip I use. It's a real address, just not mine. Plus my burner #.
HollywoodGuy
07-08-16, 14:53
Supposed to do an M&G with this cutie. She said basically anytime today or tomorrow, so I guess we are on. She is on summer break for another 3 or 4 weeks. Meaning if it all works out I could still find a summer fling. I usually don't post a pic prior to meeting someone, but I am feeling lucky today. Sometimes this game feels like playing the lottery, except with much better odds. All I know is, you gotta play to win.
This is a good question. Generally if a girl is 18 or 19 I disregard their expectation amount. I mean why not ask for the moon day one? Geography is important. A girl from an obviously low or even middle income area is not really expecting to get rich charging for something she has given away freely up till now. A girl from the west SFV or west LA or southbay or is legitimately from BH or PV or newport might, and might not be too far off and could get a few g's a month. Or at least ask for it and stick to her guns. She may get nothing, meaning no takers, but if she is going to suck an old guys dick she is going to expect to be compensated for it.
If the girl is of true model quality and very light skinned, or white or asian you probably don't need to waste your time, as they have been getting offers of thousands of dollars since they can remember. I have banged a few hotties for a $ but at $$ you can get many fine girls of any race or age. At $$$ only the girls that have no intention of fucking anyone that isn't a newbie with an open wallet are yours no matter what they say. Now it just comes down to what you say and how you say it. But getting back to the original question. Hit up a few, or more than a few and see what kind of feedback you get from them.Thanks for the great advice as always HG! If you have a budget of $$ to $$ what is the best thing to say when you want to talk a girl who is listing a high amount to accept your offer? Also, what is the best way to say it?
HollywoodGuy
07-08-16, 22:26
Thanks for the great advice as always HG! If you have a budget of $$ to $$ what is the best thing to say when you want to talk a girl who is listing a high amount to accept your offer? Also, what is the best way to say it?In the old days when I used to train people I would tell them that I could give them all of my knowledge, but the one thing I couldn't give them was a personality. You know who you are and why people like you. You can really only be yourself unless you are a trained actor or a sociopath. So be yourself, get turned down a few times, but don't give in to crazy demands or things you can't afford. Through trial and error you will find your way. Sometimes the only way to progress, is by learning from your mistakes. So go make a few and have a lot of fun doing it. Bland and generic advice for sure. But seriously... make some $$ offers to some attractive young girls, go on a few dates, and don't judge yourself too harshly. You will get laid, you will have a great time and you will meet a few girls you wish you hadn't. But only make offers to girls that would normally be out of your league in civi life. And try to stick with the newbies to start. You can fumble in the dark together.
Go meet a few girls at a starbucks, unless its a disaster, suggest that you talk in your car for a little more privacy. Make sure you are parked in a good spot. See if the chemistry is there or her need to get paid may help overcome some reluctance on her part, and then let nature take its course. If you are worried about feeling committed to pay in spite of a botched date. Confirm upfront that the sugar gets poured only when the arrangement begins. You don't pay just to talk or hang out. They'll get the point loud and clear.
Every girl is on that site for a reason or two. But the first one 95% of the time is to get paid. Now they may feel the need for some real chemistry to take the plunge. But its amazing how two or three benjies can light the fire. A lot of newbies haven't been with a guy over 25. Think about what your skills and experience were then and what they are now. As nervous as you may be, I can almost guarantee their level of uncertainty is higher. Always keep that in mind. And for the ones that are naturally horny, just dive right in, I can promise you that over time you may forget the whole date, but you will rarely regret the fact that you went on it. And as long as your cash holds up, those experiences will only get more rewarding.
One last thing, you never know when real lightening will strike. And it will for sure. Its a numbers game, so start putting a few up on the board. And then tell us all about it.
HollywoodGuy
07-09-16, 14:22
Supposed to do an M&G with this cutie. She said basically anytime today or tomorrow, so I guess we are on. She is on summer break for another 3 or 4 weeks. Meaning if it all works out I could still find a summer fling. I usually don't post a pic prior to meeting someone, but I am feeling lucky today. Sometimes this game feels like playing the lottery, except with much better odds. All I know is, you gotta play to win.Perfect example. It came time for the M&G and she said she wanted to get paid to just hang out. No deal. Next. It's always good to clear these things up in advance. So no time wasted and no drama.
In the old days when I used to train people I would tell them that I could give them all of my knowledge, but the one thing I couldn't give them was a personality. You know who you are and why people like you. You can really only be yourself unless you are a trained actor or a sociopath. So be yourself, get turned down a few times, but don't give in to crazy demands or things you can't afford. Through trial and error you will find your way. Sometimes the only way to progress, is by learning from your mistakes. So go make a few and have a lot of fun doing it. Bland and generic advice for sure. But seriously... make some $$ offers to some attractive young girls, go on a few dates, and don't judge yourself too harshly. You will get laid, you will have a great time and you will meet a few girls you wish you hadn't. But only make offers to girls that would normally be out of your league in civi life. And try to stick with the newbies to start. You can fumble in the dark together.
Go meet a few girls at a starbucks, unless its a disaster, suggest that you talk in your car for a little more privacy. Make sure you are parked in a good spot. See if the chemistry is there or her need to get paid may help overcome some reluctance on her part, and then let nature take its course. If you are worried about feeling committed to pay in spite of a botched date. Confirm upfront that the sugar gets poured only when the arrangement begins. You don't pay just to talk or hang out. They'll get the point loud and clear.
Every girl is on that site for a reason or two. But the first one 95% of the time is to get paid. Now they may feel the need for some real chemistry to take the plunge. But its amazing how two or three benjies can light the fire. A lot of newbies haven't been with a guy over 25. Think about what your skills and experience were then and what they are now. As nervous as you may be, I can almost guarantee their level of uncertainty is higher. Always keep that in mind. And for the ones that are naturally horny, just dive right in, I can promise you that over time you may forget the whole date, but you will rarely regret the fact that you went on it. And as long as your cash holds up, those experiences will only get more rewarding.
One last thing, you never know when real lightening will strike. And it will for sure. Its a numbers game, so start putting a few up on the board. And then tell us all about it.I was lucky enough to have HG guide me through my first attempts. Seeking arrangement has been a god mine for me, much more that sd4 m. Have no idea why, perhaps just my experience has translated into more success. It is absolutely a numbers game. Also helps not to be creepy. Be fun, dress nice, be a gentleman but clear on what you expect.
In the old days when I used to train people I would tell them that I could give them all of my knowledge, but the one thing I couldn't give them was a personality. You know who you are and why people like you. You can really only be yourself unless you are a trained actor or a sociopath. So be yourself, get turned down a few times, but don't give in to crazy demands or things you can't afford. Through trial and error you will find your way. Sometimes the only way to progress, is by learning from your mistakes. So go make a few and have a lot of fun doing it. Bland and generic advice for sure. But seriously... make some $$ offers to some attractive young girls, go on a few dates, and don't judge yourself too harshly. You will get laid, you will have a great time and you will meet a few girls you wish you hadn't. But only make offers to girls that would normally be out of your league in civi life. And try to stick with the newbies to start. You can fumble in the dark together.
Go meet a few girls at a starbucks, unless its a disaster, suggest that you talk in your car for a little more privacy. Make sure you are parked in a good spot. See if the chemistry is there or her need to get paid may help overcome some reluctance on her part, and then let nature take its course. If you are worried about feeling committed to pay in spite of a botched date. Confirm upfront that the sugar gets poured only when the arrangement begins. You don't pay just to talk or hang out. They'll get the point loud and clear.
Every girl is on that site for a reason or two. But the first one 95% of the time is to get paid. Now they may feel the need for some real chemistry to take the plunge. But its amazing how two or three benjies can light the fire. A lot of newbies haven't been with a guy over 25. Think about what your skills and experience were then and what they are now. As nervous as you may be, I can almost guarantee their level of uncertainty is higher. Always keep that in mind. And for the ones that are naturally horny, just dive right in, I can promise you that over time you may forget the whole date, but you will rarely regret the fact that you went on it. And as long as your cash holds up, those experiences will only get more rewarding.
One last thing, you never know when real lightening will strike. And it will for sure. Its a numbers game, so start putting a few up on the board. And then tell us all about it.Thank you for the great advice and encouragement HG!
FarFarAway
07-10-16, 14:58
Those of use who have SOs have to be careful about leaving bread crumbs, one key piece of 'evidence' being credit card charges. Unless you have a CC that the SO *truly* has no access to, this is an issue (and even then there can be difficulty with having your real identity in someone else's hands). Many years ago, my SO found out I was cruising a dating site in this way, on an account she didn't really look at regularly but did know about and, unfortunately, happened to see. Amazingly, she filed but didn't divorce me.
I have been trying to renew my SeekingArrangement membership with the standard OneVanilla gift card. It hasn't been going through. I get an error message. I have communicated with both their payment processor, PaymentWall, and with customer service at SA itself. Here is a quote from a message I got from SA:
Unfortunately, we are receiving reports of some US prepaid credit / debit cards not working. Perhaps you would be able to find a card that can be used internationally?
So, perhaps the formula many have been using, OneVanilla, is now dead. I have looked for the latter. Foreign exchange businesses definitely do this even as prepaid versions, like Travelex, my local vendor. I checked their website and they require full name, address, I'd, and SSN. This is because of the Patriot Act and concerns about money laundering and support of terror. So, that will be info that SA has that could be hacked, just like the Ashley Madison fiasco. You SDs who can live in the open, I envy you. I have been wracking my brain for a solution for those of us who have to be on the DL. I need help at this point.
Those of use who have SOs have to be careful about leaving bread crumbs, one key piece of 'evidence' being credit card charges. Unless you have a CC that the SO *truly* has no access to, this is an issue (and even then there can be difficulty with having your real identity in someone else's hands). Many years ago, my SO found out I was cruising a dating site in this way, on an account she didn't really look at regularly but did know about and, unfortunately, happened to see. Amazingly, she filed but didn't divorce me.
I have been trying to renew my SeekingArrangement membership with the standard OneVanilla gift card. It hasn't been going through. I get an error message. I have communicated with both their payment processor, PaymentWall, and with customer service at SA itself. Here is a quote from a message I got from SA:
Unfortunately, we are receiving reports of some US prepaid credit / debit cards not working. Perhaps you would be able to find a card that can be used internationally?
So, perhaps the formula many have been using, OneVanilla, is now dead. I have looked for the latter. Foreign exchange businesses definitely do this even as prepaid versions, like Travelex, my local vendor. I checked their website and they require full name, address, I'd, and SSN. This is because of the Patriot Act and concerns about money laundering and support of terror. So, that will be info that SA has that could be hacked, just like the Ashley Madison fiasco. You SDs who can live in the open, I envy you. I have been wracking my brain for a solution for those of us who have to be on the DL. I need help at this point.I went to the Payment Wall website and tried to figure out what payment methods they advertise as acceptable. Check out the page here: https://www.paymentwall.com/en/payment-methods/usa.
Met a girl that I had a lunch date with about a month ago.
4 for the no-tel. And. 4 to her for the babysitter. Total damage. 8. She is my age, and local so may work out for the long run!.
*FarFarAway.
Maybe a single friend or cousin can buy the membership for you? Then you pay him back somehow, with the gift card etc?
FarFarAway
07-11-16, 18:24
Met a girl that I had a lunch date with about a month ago.
4 for the no-tel. And. 4 to her for the babysitter. Total damage. 8. She is my age, and local so may work out for the long run!.
*FarFarAway.
Maybe a single friend or cousin can buy the membership for you? Then you pay him back somehow, with the gift card etc?Thanks, I was thinking also about taking that direction. Perhaps identified through CL, for a modest cash incentive.
HollywoodGuy
07-11-16, 21:01
Met a girl that I had a lunch date with about a month ago.
4 for the no-tel. And. 4 to her for the babysitter. Total damage. 8. She is my age, and local so may work out for the long run!.I can't even call a girl my age a girl. LOL.
DutchTreat
07-11-16, 21:14
I feel you, HG. Any "girls" my age would not only qualify for a discount at Dennys, but they would also get their AARP card. LOL.
Dutch.
I can't even call a girl my age a girl. LOL.
FarFarAway
07-12-16, 00:32
I went to the Payment Wall website and tried to figure out what payment methods they advertise as acceptable. Check out the page here: https://www.paymentwall.com/en/payment-methods/usa.Thanks, but SA gave me another solution and I got my membership renewed. One of the customer service agent asked me if I had tried using their PayPal method. I hadn't b / c I earlier looked into setting up a new PayPal account and it involved too much personal info. Today, I just clicked the PayPal option inside SA, and went through much of the renewal process. I did get to a point where I was asked to log into PayPal and it entered my safe email address from SA. I had to separately establish a new PayPal with that address as the login. For reasons unknown, perhaps click through from SA which is in Hong Kong, I think, or because I was using Tor and it presented me as if I was in Europe, I was able to establish a new PayPal with no validation of I'd, SSN, or anything else. I then put my OneVanilla into the account with no difficulty, went back to SA and chose the PayPal option again, and much to my relief the transaction went through.
First Half
07-12-16, 09:17
Thanks, but SA gave me another solution and I got my membership renewed. One of the customer service agent asked me if I had tried using their PayPal method. I hadn't b / c I earlier looked into setting up a new PayPal account and it involved too much personal info. Today, I just clicked the PayPal option inside SA, and went through much of the renewal process. I did get to a point where I was asked to log into PayPal and it entered my safe email address from SA. I had to separately establish a new PayPal with that address as the login. For reasons unknown, perhaps click through from SA which is in Hong Kong, I think, or because I was using Tor and it presented me as if I was in Europe, I was able to establish a new PayPal with no validation of I'd, SSN, or anything else. I then put my OneVanilla into the account with no difficulty, went back to SA and chose the PayPal option again, and much to my relief the transaction went through.If that payment is linked to a credit card or bank account, it will show up as W8 Tech. Have a good reason handy if you're SO looks at that stuff. If you call them with the credit card info they will give the site that it's billed to.
FarFarAway
07-13-16, 08:37
I am messaging with a POT who says she has a husband, but I wonder. She seems awfully casual about our meeting. Anyone have an experience where a SB claimed to have a husband but really didn't? I guess it could provide a certain kind of protection.
FarFarAway
07-13-16, 12:21
If that payment is linked to a credit card or bank account, it will show up as W8 Tech. Have a good reason handy if you're SO looks at that stuff. If you call them with the credit card info they will give the site that it's billed to.I used the standard OneVanilla prepaid debit card. There isn't any statement and I spent all of the $ on it so I shredded it.
FarFarAway
07-16-16, 01:30
I wondered about this blog being just a brag sheet before I got into the bowl, but now I realize that there are few outlets to discuss what we are doing, especially those of us with SOs. My sugaring is heating up.
30's model. Truly - has appeared in that mag we all loved as teenagers. Came dressed normally to a many hours M&G, but I know what's underneath. Quirky but surprised me with a connection that seems sincere. At end of M&G offered an exclusive relationship, no sugar discussed. Much messaging since, highly positive statements. What am I missing?
20's office worker. Pretty, tiny, big reader, intellectual connection on phone, M&G frustrated today by logistical problems.
College senior. Pudgy, but from what I read from you experienced guys, such girls may be more responsive sexually, and know how to give BJ. *very pretty face. Excellent M&G and messages immediately after and since. Guessing she's a virgin from some tells, but of course you never know.
I am messaging many POTs, including some who would enable me to say I've had girls ⅓ my age, instead of the ½ my age that seems readily available here. A goal I have adopted since joining SA. Yes, I have had my share of GPS, and highballing girls. A college student, cute and all, who says she gets $$meet. My response. HG says the model would get that kind of cash. For sure some escorts. No interest. The frustration of everything seeming fine with a POT, then just going silent. JeezLizzard says getting the M&G is key. No argument here.
FarFarAway
07-16-16, 13:56
I wondered about this blog being just a brag sheet before I got into the bowl, but now I realize that there are few outlets to discuss what we are doing, especially those of us with SOs. My sugaring is heating up.
30's model. Truly - has appeared in that mag we all loved as teenagers. Came dressed normally to a many hours M&G, but I know what's underneath. Quirky but surprised me with a connection that seems sincere. At end of M&G offered an exclusive relationship, no sugar discussed. Much messaging since, highly positive statements. What am I missing?
20's office worker. Pretty, tiny, big reader, intellectual connection on phone, M&G frustrated today by logistical problems.
College senior. Pudgy, but from what I read from you experienced guys, such girls may be more responsive sexually, and know how to give BJ. *very pretty face. Excellent M&G and messages immediately after and since. Guessing she's a virgin from some tells, but of course you never know.
I am messaging many POTs, including some who would enable me to say I've had girls ⅓ my age, instead of the my age that seems readily available here. A goal I have adopted since joining SA. Yes, I have had my share of GPS, and highballing girls. A college student, cute and all, who says she gets $$meet. My response. HG says the model would get that kind of cash. For sure some escorts. No interest. The frustration of everything seeming fine with a POT, then just going silent. JeezLizzard says getting the M&G is key. No argument here.The college student says she got 500/ meet.
HollywoodGuy
07-16-16, 21:00
I wondered about this blog being just a brag sheet before I got into the bowl, but now I realize that there are few outlets to discuss what we are doing, especially those of us with SOs. My sugaring is heating up.
30's model. Truly - has appeared in that mag we all loved as teenagers. Came dressed normally to a many hours M&G, but I know what's underneath. Quirky but surprised me with a connection that seems sincere. At end of M&G offered an exclusive relationship, no sugar discussed. Much messaging since, highly positive statements. What am I missing?
20's office worker. Pretty, tiny, big reader, intellectual connection on phone, M&G frustrated today by logistical problems.
College senior. Pudgy, but from what I read from you experienced guys, such girls may be more responsive sexually, and know how to give BJ. *very pretty face. Excellent M&G and messages immediately after and since. Guessing she's a virgin from some tells, but of course you never know.
I am messaging many POTs, including some who would enable me to say I've had girls ⅓ my age, instead of the my age that seems readily available here. A goal I have adopted since joining SA. Yes, I have had my share of GPS, and highballing girls. A college student, cute and all, who says she gets $$meet. My response. HG says the model would get that kind of cash. For sure some escorts. No interest. The frustration of everything seeming fine with a POT, then just going silent. JeezLizzard says getting the M&G is key. No argument here.30's model. No sugar discussed = GPS.
College Senior. Not a virgin. Shoot for a $ a date. Tell her you expect intimacy, but that you never pressure girls for intercourse on a first date.
Girls a 1/3 your age are easier to get than girls 1/2 your age.
Avoid girls that talk about how much they get per meet (unless you are too horny to wait). Shoot for first timers.
Just my 2 1/2 cents.
John HandCock
07-16-16, 21:38
The college student says she got 500/ meet.The 30's model will be expensive for exclusive. Remember its not GPS if you can afford it. Also remember they are paid well to put on the sb duties so don't forget that.
The college senior virgin. Thats a good one LMAO.
The 500 girl is probably utr especially if talking about her dates.
There are plenty of girls for everyones need, you can't be a match for everyone unless utr are your thing. They are a match for everyone.
FarFarAway
07-16-16, 23:15
30's model. No sugar discussed = GPS.
College Senior. Not a virgin. Shoot for a $ a date. Tell her you expect intimacy, but that you never pressure girls for intercourse on a first date.
Girls a 1/3 your age are easier to get than girls 1/2 your age.
Avoid girls that talk about how much they get per meet (unless you are too horny to wait). Shoot for first timers.
Just my 2 1/2 cents.As always, I am exceedingly grateful for the guidance. I do see the logic of targeting inexperience.
That senior blushed like a radish with a couple of provocative? S.
Date with model in the FC tomorrow, though.
Until now, I've either driven down to see SBs or they drove to me. Now I'm trying to meet with a POT but she is 40+ miles away and given her work schedule and mine there's only very little 'available' time. She doesn't have a car and I plan to Uber her to me. However I have never used Uber and I'm wondering how could I possibly do this and not leave a paper trail and end up alerting the SO. Is it even possible to set up a Uber account with a made-up name, address and a gift card? I would love to get some inputs from experts like HWG who have used such service extensively.
HollywoodGuy
07-17-16, 13:38
Until now, I've either driven down to see SBs or they drove to me. Now I'm trying to meet with a POT but she is 40+ miles away and given her work schedule and mine there's only very little 'available' time. She doesn't have a car and I plan to Uber her to me. However I have never used Uber and I'm wondering how could I possibly do this and not leave a paper trail and end up alerting the SO. Is it even possible to set up a Uber account with a made-up name, address and a gift card? I would love to get some inputs from experts like HWG who have used such service extensively.IDK about going anonymous. But go uber pool to pay half the normal rate.
Thanks, HWG. Thats a great suggestion.
IDK about going anonymous. But go uber pool to pay half the normal rate.
FarFarAway
07-18-16, 15:49
Some other newbie like me posted something like this a while back, but hunting pussy on SA is like having a damn second job. There's just so much of it in SoCal. It is hard to resist some of those profiles, even when I have just found my first SB. It is a good thing this is a down time in my work, and my SO is out of town. A mini staycation.
FarFarAway
07-18-16, 16:13
Does anyone have experience with LindseyNichole_oc in Laguna Niguel? I'm messaging with her. I was able to find both her LI and FB with *no* trouble, using her same photo too. Seems a little careless. Is she crazy?
This is one from a number of months ago. Actual model. Did the HG M&G. We made out forever, I went down on her and massaged her to three orgasms. She gave me an incredible HJ. Not too many young woman know how to do that these days. In the end her price point was too high to continue but damn, I had her once. For $. 60.
HollywoodGuy
07-18-16, 16:48
This is one from a number of months ago. Actual model. Did the HG M&G. We made out forever, I went down on her and massaged her to three orgasms. She gave me an incredible HJ. Not too many young woman know how to do that these days. In the end her price point was too high to continue but damn, I had her once. For $. 60.Shoot, I remember her. I wanted her so bad. But she gave me a tiny bit of attitude over the $ offer so I said screw it. She is awesome looking. I am not the jealous type (a very bad trait to have in this hobby), but I am a little envious right now. She is a hairdresser in the IE, I believe. lol
FarFarAway
07-18-16, 17:47
I am in need of suggestions for places I can go with POTs where the obvious 2-3 x age difference can be more hidden. I found a posting on HX that suggested, in Orange County, Daily Grill and Javiers on the coast. Those of you who sugar in LA county may also like to offer suggestions to fellow SDs. I also have to pick places no one I know frequents.
This is one from a number of months ago. Actual model. Did the HG M&G. We made out forever, I went down on her and massaged her to three orgasms. She gave me an incredible HJ. Not too many young woman know how to do that these days. In the end her price point was too high to continue but damn, I had her once. For $. 60.Damn. Who is that lovely young lady?
I am in need of suggestions for places I can go with POTs where the obvious 2-3 x age difference can be more hidden. I found a posting on HX that suggested, in Orange County, Daily Grill and Javiers on the coast. Those of you who sugar in LA county may also like to offer suggestions to fellow SDs. I also have to pick places no one I know frequents.I go to hotel restaurants. The fancy ones, not that well known, it seems classy and only used by travelers.
FarFarAway
07-19-16, 12:53
I took so many POTS to this one place, that every time I came in, the entire kitchen staff would come out, just to check out the new girl. LOL. But your suggestion has merit. Done it myself. But I am single so there is really no drama where ever I go. Unless its a really nice place. Then the hater MILF's and their stares and attitude are out in full force. With their hubbies staring straight down at their plates. One of my favorites is to go to the orthodox jewish restaurants (I am jewish) and drive the Haredi men insane with lust. Sometimes they high five me behind their wives backs. My x pinay roomy used to go with me to those places in see through micro mini dresses. I wish I could have posted those scenes on youtube. I would have probably gotten a million followers.Made my day.
HollywoodGuy
07-19-16, 13:52
I go to hotel restaurants. The fancy ones, not that well known, it seems classy and only used by travelers.I took so many POTS to this one place, that every time I came in, the entire kitchen staff would come out, just to check out the new girl. LOL. But your suggestion has merit. Done it myself. But I am single so there is really no drama where ever I go. Unless its a really nice place. Then the hater MILF's and their stares and attitude are out in full force. With their hubbies staring straight down at their plates. One of my favorites is to go to the orthodox jewish restaurants (I am jewish & jewish looking) and drive the Haredi men insane with lust. Sometimes they high five me behind their wives backs (nothing beats getting props from a rabbi). My x pinay roomy used to go with me to those places in see through micro mini dresses. I wish I could have posted those scenes on youtube. I would have probably gotten a million followers.
If that payment is linked to a credit card or bank account, it will show up as W8 Tech. Have a good reason handy if you're SO looks at that stuff. If you call them with the credit card info they will give the site that it's billed to.I think it depends on the bank as to what it will show up as. I have a "play" account and it says w8 tech and in parenthesis it says Dating site (I. E. "Dating Site".
Shoot, I remember her. I wanted her so bad. But she gave me a tiny bit of attitude over the $ offer so I said screw it. She is awesome looking. I am not the jealous type (a very bad trait to have in this hobby), but I am a little envious right now. She is a hairdresser in the IE, I believe. lolThis one lived in LA I am pretty certain and sent me some model pics. She was very hard to let go but at three times my rate and wanting it as an allowance, whether we met or not, I couldn't justify it. I just don't have that kind of capital. She has gotten into an arrangement but I am still hoping to photograph her some day. She doesn't shoot nude, unfortunately. She was a tremendous kisser and her HJ was one of the best I have encountered.
Fellow SA users. Any of you sign up for the background verified feature? Is there any benefit to that? What info do they need to sign up? Cost?
The reason I ask is because I was trying to close the deal on one POT and she said she needed me to be background verified. She was real insistent, almost as if she actually worked for SA LOL (probably does) LOL.
Would love to hear input from you mongers.
FarFarAway
07-22-16, 15:55
Fellow SA users. Any of you sign up for the background verified feature? Is there any benefit to that? What info do they need to sign up? Cost?
The reason I ask is because I was trying to close the deal on one POT and she said she needed me to be background verified. She was real insistent, almost as if she actually worked for SA LOL (probably does) LOL.
Would love to hear input from you mongers.I thought under the News feature they say that the background check isn't available at this time but they are thinking about bringing it back.
HollywoodGuy
07-22-16, 17:09
Fellow SA users. Any of you sign up for the background verified feature? Is there any benefit to that? What info do they need to sign up? Cost?
The reason I ask is because I was trying to close the deal on one POT and she said she needed me to be background verified. She was real insistent, almost as if she actually worked for SA LOL (probably does) LOL.
Would love to hear input from you mongers.Waste of Time. It's just an upsell for newbies that don't know any better.
FarFarAway
07-22-16, 17:41
My SO was away for the past 10 days which really facilitated dipping my toe in SA. For those who have been lurkers, and maybe aren't the great swordsmen like HollywoodGuy, my tale should be encouraging. Anyone can get fine women here. I contacted many through the site, many who conversed but then dropped out / off.
Those who stuck with me are:
30's ModelMILF – sparse profile, but her provocative torso photo sucked me in. It was real. M&G was strong – spoke for 3 hrs with waitress trying to get us to order. She then offered exclusive, no talk of sugar, HG said it meant GPS – well, maybe. All day second date, committed to a monthly allowance. I get her all morning. Still see her profile online, which worries, but her friend may use the profile also. Yes she is expensive, and some may? My values, but this isn't the type of girl HG likes, I think he's a little more down-market, and I'm not the kind of guy who seems to be a Svengali the way he is.
20 UC student. My shot for that 1/3 my age girl, but a true GPS nightmare. Nice texts / emails and set M&G. On the way to it she texts to get me to commit $ for 'intimate meetings', trying to hold me up for a big number. Hard negotiation, but I agreed to 4 to get her to show, hoping I can pull a HG and get her so devoted to me I can drop it later. Space cadet: Me – meet me at the X Café on A street. Her – I am here. Me – where – are you at the location on A street? Her – of course not, I am at the Café on B street. *No* short term memory. She's very nervous at the M&G but we agree to meet later for FC. All kinds of problems getting her to get the room – ultimately, she can't do it. Texts that the problem is that our 'relationship' is so new that there isn't enough trust yet. PM me for her SA name if you've had this experience or wondered about her.
40's KinkMom – advertised as a sub, but photos not her, M&G went OK enough. Knowing her tendencies, had my hands all over her in restaurant. Nonstop inane chatter. In private, a little better. Underemployed beater driver, won't host. Would do in a pinch for small coin. However, she looks too much like my witch sister-in-law and won't pursue.
Spent much of the past month texting with a tempting profile. A few times M&Gs were set but then fell apart at last minute. Last contact I responded I thought 'she' was a catfish.
A married 30's MILF – kept viewing my profile so I finally got her to chat. We set the M&G but she didn't show. Later claimed she fell asleep. The ball is back in her court.
A couple of late 20's I spoke with by phone a few times and had great convos, set near-term M&G, and then something messed it up on their sides. They haven't followed up and I don't feel like chasing.
HollywoodGuy
07-22-16, 19:45
I cut off my ATF's allowance yesterday. I told her from now on its pay per meet only. I am going to use all my will power to just not see her anymore. After 150+ dates its time to move on. I am sure my roommate was happy. I changed my profile on SA to make it even more targeted specifically to subs only. I am getting fewer replies but they are more interesting for sure. The FC is the main topic of conversation right from the get go. I am taking a small sabbatical from sugaring for now. Need to focus exclusively on work and playing pretend marriage with my roommate. We get up at the same time, go to work at the same time and go to sleep at the same time. We both work 12 hour days. Last nite she came home, skipped dinner and went straight to sleep. Sound Familiar?
Earlier this year I became friends with a pro SB on SA and she was here last night telling me her stories and asking for advice. She is in the moderate range on SA and stays busy. Not my type so its easy to just be friends with her. It's informative & interesting to have a frank convo with someone on the other side with out trying to hook up.
Christophe1
07-22-16, 23:43
I cut off my ATF's allowance yesterday. I told her from now on its pay per meet only. I am going to use all my will power to just not see her anymore. After 150+ dates its time to move on. I am sure my roommate was happy. I changed my profile on SA to make it even more targeted specifically to subs only. I am getting fewer replies but they are more interesting for sure. The FC is the main topic of conversation right from the get go. I am taking a small sabbatical from sugaring for now. Need to focus exclusively on work and playing pretend marriage with my roommate. We get up at the same time, go to work at the same time and go to sleep at the same time. We both work 12 hour days. Last nite she came home, skipped dinner and went straight to sleep. Sound Familiar?
Earlier this year I became friends with a pro SB on SA and she was here last night telling me her stories and asking for advice. She is in the moderate range on SA and stays busy. Not my type so its easy to just be friends with her. It's informative & interesting to have a frank convo with someone on the other side with out trying to hook up.Today I broached the subject of the sugar world with some employees. They were all down for it. Living on shit wages, should be intolerable. Fuck your way to the top is what my rich friends parents always said.
FarFarAway
07-23-16, 01:01
I am seeking input from you masters about what would be flattering to the SB to have around when they come to the FC the first time. Can be the obvious (alcohol, lube) or non-obvious (toys).
Today I broached the subject of the sugar world with some employees. They were all down for it. Living on shit wages, should be intolerable. Fuck your way to the top is what my rich friends parents always said.Bad idea. You are only asking for trouble and lawsuits down the road. There is too much other poontang out there.
HollywoodGuy
07-23-16, 13:44
Bad idea. You are only asking for trouble and lawsuits down the road. There is too much other poontang out there.I totally agree with this. When it comes to sugaring, always outsource. Never do it inhouse.
First Half
07-23-16, 16:22
I am seeking input from you masters about what would be flattering to the SB to have around when they come to the FC the first time. Can be the obvious (alcohol, lube) or non-obvious (toys).Personally, if she's down for toy play I go along with picking them out together. The downside is if she keeps them at her place, some other guy will get the benefit when you break it off.
There are some guys out there that definitely owe me a thank you card for the $400 worth of toys my last SB has. LOL.
HollywoodGuy
07-23-16, 22:41
Personally, if she's down for toy play I go along with picking them out together. The downside is if she keeps them at her place, some other guy will get the benefit when you break it off.
There are some guys out there that definitely owe me a thank you card for the $400 worth of toys my last SB has. LOL.Speaking of toys. http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?6028-Photography-getting-her-to-pose&p=3005302#post3005302.
Those two combined are under a dub.
HollywoodGuy
07-25-16, 02:28
So Sad. I start chatting with a really pretty 19 year old and I get her to email me. That leads to her IG profile. And now I see she's got a one year old. And that absolutely perfect and most likely never to be seen again body is just not what it used to be. It makes me want to cry. What are these girls thinking? And then seeing the pics of her, with her stereotypical fuck boy baby daddy, who may or may not still be in the picture. Oh lord, what are these girls thinking? And now they want/need a sugar daddy/captain save a ##. It just took the wind out of my sails... again.
I was messaging back and forth with an 18 year old on SA. Was going well, until she told me a story about a guy she met on the website. Older, hefty, promised a lot of cash.
Well, turns out he cut her a check for a four figure amount, and incredulously, she agreed with the stipulation that she would bang him and his "fat friend" (her words). And, well, she did. She tried cashing the check afterwards and realized it was bogus, so she called him and he disappeared. Of course he did.
Seriously. Guys like these make real SDs look bad. Pretty pathetic if you have to stoop that low. Both guys need to be pimp slapped. And yes, the girl is pretty dumb as well to even accept something like that, but still. I'd like to think she was desperate an naive, but come on guys.
So, I felt bad and didn't pursue. I just told her if she needed advice to just message me. Pretty sad.
Luckystonewood
07-25-16, 21:40
Been catching up on this section. I am currently out in Florida for an extended stay with out the SO for most of the time so I have time to work through SA and play. I picked up a $100 Visa from Walmart, paid cash. The card is good for USA only transactions like most. When I upgraded my membership to SA it looks like it went through Yahoo for the charge to the Visa debit card and it processed just fine despite SA being out of the USA. Anyway, perhapse SA implemented that billing process as a work around. All the info I used is of course straw man stuff. I did need to register the card through Walmart to allow online transactions. Again, straw man stuff.
Anyway, acronym help please. I checked the list on this site and most of the following are undefined and I didn't dig to far in the past of this thread to try and figure them out:
FC.
Subs (substantial expectation catagory?
GPS.
POTS and POT.
These seemed like the frequent ones at the moment.
Thanks.
LS.
HollywoodGuy
07-25-16, 23:14
I was messaging back and forth with an 18 year old on SA. Was going well, until she told me a story about a guy she met on the website. Older, hefty, promised a lot of cash.
Well, turns out he cut her a check for a four figure amount, and incredulously, she agreed with the stipulation that she would bang him and his "fat friend" (her words). And, well, she did. She tried cashing the check afterwards and realized it was bogus, so she called him and he disappeared. Of course he did.
Seriously. Guys like these make real SDs look bad. Pretty pathetic if you have to stoop that low. Both guys need to be pimp slapped. And yes, the girl is pretty dumb as well to even accept something like that, but still. I'd like to think she was desperate an naive, but come on guys.
So, I felt bad and didn't pursue. I just told her if she needed advice to just message me. Pretty sad.An SB I had about 5 years ago was still seeing a guy initially when she met me. Anyway, similar story. When he was ready to cash out he gave her a bogus check, she deposited it, wrote a few checks on it, and ended up overdrawn. Long story short she ended up on check systems. That's the credit reporting agency banks use to determine if you even qualify to get an account. It took me weeks to straighten it out and get her a new account. And this guy was not some broke ass, just morally bankrupt. Today I wired a 20 to a starving x SB in texas. IDK how any young person makes it on their own today without daddy's money.
HollywoodGuy
07-25-16, 23:17
Been catching up on this section. I am currently out in Florida for an extended stay with out the SO for most of the time so I have time to work through SA and play. I picked up a $100 Visa from Walmart, paid cash. The card is good for USA only transactions like most. When I upgraded my membership to SA it looks like it went through Yahoo for the charge to the Visa debit card and it processed just fine despite SA being out of the USA. Anyway, perhapse SA implemented that billing process as a work around. All the info I used is of course straw man stuff. I did need to register the card through Walmart to allow online transactions. Again, straw man stuff.
Anyway, acronym help please. I checked the list on this site and most of the following are undefined and I didn't dig to far in the past of this thread to try and figure them out:
FC.
Subs (substantial expectation catagory?
GPS.
POTS and POT.
These seemed like the frequent ones at the moment.
Thanks.
LS.I got this one.
FC = fuck chamber.
Subs = submissive.
GPS = golden pussy syndrome.
POT = potential SB.
Luckystonewood
07-25-16, 23:35
Thanks HG. I got some prospects here in FL to pop my cherry on before I try back home in Cali.
I got this one.
FC = fuck chamber.
Subs = submissive.
GPS = golden pussy syndrome.
POT = potential SB.
FarFarAway
07-26-16, 00:59
Been catching up on this section. I am currently out in Florida for an extended stay with out the SO for most of the time so I have time to work through SA and play. I picked up a $100 Visa from Walmart, paid cash. The card is good for USA only transactions like most. When I upgraded my membership to SA it looks like it went through Yahoo for the charge to the Visa debit card and it processed just fine despite SA being out of the USA. Anyway, perhapse SA implemented that billing process as a work around. All the info I used is of course straw man stuff. I did need to register the card through Walmart to allow online transactions. Again, straw man stuff.
Anyway, acronym help please. I checked the list on this site and most of the following are undefined and I didn't dig to far in the past of this thread to try and figure them out:
FC.
Subs (substantial expectation catagory?
GPS.
POTS and POT.
These seemed like the frequent ones at the moment.
Thanks.
LS.You should go to the Richmond, VA thread and look down at the bottom. I believe it is called Highlights. There is a series of pages that are links to other key posts that list everything about how to SD, including all the abbreviations. I learned a huge amount there. Read my next post in the LA sugar forum. This stuff works.
FarFarAway
07-26-16, 01:35
Today I spent my first deep, planned session in the FC with my new SB, ModelMILF. Truly, it was beyond my wildest dreams when I joined SA a short time ago. My expectations may not be as high as some of you, as I have a *truly* problematic SO. This was the best sex I've had in 20 years, which is more an indictment of those decades than anything. ModelMILF is slender but with skillfully enhanced 38 Ds, flawless skin, face absolutely a 10. Alt enough (few tattoos) to be outside my usual. Slow start moved to making out and once she was naked, she signaled for action on her kitty, which BTW is one of the cutest in my experience, with a tiny landing strip. Using several techniques, she had seemingly perpetual Os for 30-40 minutes. She downplayed it saying she is more responsive if she knows you better. I really could have spent hours there, but the clock struck and I simply did her mish, but she got very involved with switching the angles and action for her pleasure. Several more Os for her.
Here's a question. My emotional reaction to the whole experience? - gratitude, to her. What does this put me at risk for? I am not going to fall in love with the girl. Too many barriers. But what else?
Finally, one note about other risks. Have exchanged many helpful hints with other SDs here about strategies and caution. I didn't catch this issue and it could have cost me. Picked a *nice* hotel at the beach that had only valet. I did everything else to cover my tracks but when I got home I saw the parking ticket under my wiper. Luckily, the SO was still away and I was able to ditch it. But I could just have as easily rolled up to her with it there. Glad I didn't tip the surly valet, who should have taken it off when he returned the car.
FarFarAway
07-26-16, 16:12
B / c I think I have an exclusive with MM, I deactivated my SA account a week ago, but there were some POTs I had nice interactions with, so before I did, I sent them a brief message that I enjoyed interacting with them but my situation had changed and I was going off the site. Literally have not been back. Several who had my other info (phone, email) have now contacted me. Do I look more desirable b / c I told them I have a SB, or is it just b / c we are getting close to month's end and they have bills? Perhaps a technique to smoke out POTs?
HollywoodGuy
07-26-16, 21:56
B / c I think I have an exclusive with MM, I deactivated my SA account a week ago, but there were some POTs I had nice interactions with, so before I did, I sent them a brief message that I enjoyed interacting with them but my situation had changed and I was going off the site. Literally have not been back. Several who had my other info (phone, email) have now contacted me. Do I look more desirable b / c I told them I have a SB, or is it just b / c we are getting close to month's end and they have bills? Perhaps a technique to smoke out POTs?I think it's called a take away.
Luckystonewood
07-26-16, 22:41
You should go to the Richmond, VA thread and look down at the bottom. I believe it is called Highlights. There is a series of pages that are links to other key posts that list everything about how to SD, including all the abbreviations. I learned a huge amount there. Read my next post in the LA sugar forum. This stuff works.Thanks FFA,
Lots of good info there to shift through and I appreciate you sending me in that durection!
LS.
HollywoodGuy
07-29-16, 18:56
The Richmond thread is very informative. A must read for any wannabe SD's. And there are some cool people there. I am still on break from sugaring. I've had sex 4 times this month. A 10 year low. But for some reason its not really bothering me. I have my SO/roommate and that seems to be enough for now. I still get plenty of offers, but I just haven't bothered to take anyone up on them. My new sub focused profile is bringing the kinkier girls out of the woodwork. Some say it in their profile and some don't. But almost all the conversations start out with what activities I would be open to or interested in .. in the FC. I do have one persistent NP txting me. A girl i did a few times, I may or may not see her. She is 18, middle class and average looking but very dirty minded. And the sugar is kind of secondary. So we will see.
30's model. No sugar discussed = GPS.
College Senior. Not a virgin. Shoot for a $ a date. Tell her you expect intimacy, but that you never pressure girls for intercourse on a first date.
Girls a 1/3 your age are easier to get than girls 1/2 your age.
Avoid girls that talk about how much they get per meet (unless you are too horny to wait). Shoot for first timers.
Just my 2 1/2 cents.This advice is very true. Matches exactly what my experience is.
HollywoodGuy
08-04-16, 20:55
Current POT list. I am literally seeing no one. So totally starting from scratch. From left to right
19 - black - 5.8. - NP. Just my type. Waiting on her reply. I would jump on this girl. lol
23 - black - 5.8. An admitted UTR. Down for a $. She keeps messaging me asking when can she come over.
21 - black - 5.1. Nice body. Maybe UTR. Down for a $
19 - white - 5.5. And curvy. NP. Down for a $
23 - mixed - 5.2. Petite and sexy. NP. Skittish. Wants to do a traditional M&G first.
SeaTownGuy
08-04-16, 22:56
Current POT list. I am literally seeing no one. So totally starting from scratch. From left to rightWhere are you finding these ladies?
Current POT list. I am literally seeing no one. So totally starting from scratch. From left to right
19 - black - 5.8. - NP. Just my type. Waiting on her reply. I would jump on this girl. lol
23 - black - 5.8. An admitted UTR. Down for a $. She keeps messaging me asking when can she come over.
21 - black - 5.1. Nice body. Maybe UTR. Down for a $
19 - white - 5.5. And curvy. NP. Down for a $
23 - mixed - 5.2. Petite and sexy. NP. Skittish. Wants to do a traditional M&G first.Very difficult choice, so why bother? Life is short and you're lucky. But if it was me and I really had to choose, I like the girl in the last pic.
GimmeMoreHead
08-05-16, 01:00
Very difficult choice, so why bother? Life is short and you're lucky. But if it was me and I really had to choose, I like the girl in the last pic.For me it would be either her or the curvy white girl.
JohnnyTheWad
08-05-16, 01:05
Current POT list. I am literally seeing no one. So totally starting from scratch. From left to right
19 - black - 5.8. - NP. Just my type. Waiting on her reply. I would jump on this girl. lol
23 - black - 5.8. An admitted UTR. Down for a $. She keeps messaging me asking when can she come over.
21 - black - 5.1. Nice body. Maybe UTR. Down for a $
19 - white - 5.5. And curvy. NP. Down for a $
23 - mixed - 5.2. Petite and sexy. NP. Skittish. Wants to do a traditional M&G first.#4 for shore.
HollywoodGuy
08-05-16, 14:43
Where are you finding these ladies?SA. Seekingarrangement.
HollywoodGuy
08-05-16, 14:47
Very difficult choice, so why bother? Life is short and you're lucky. But if it was me and I really had to choose, I like the girl in the last pic.The choice comes down to attitude and maybe NP status. I love UTR's for their intended purpose. But I am addicted to spinners. So for me the skinny girl would be my first pick. A skinny girl is like natural V to me. Actually the curvy white girl came out of the box with the best attitude so far. I will update as things progress. I went crazy and hit up about 10 more newbies and got a few responses by this morning. I have the weekend off, so I will try to narrow it down. And the girl in the last pick is interesting, but kinda far away. But a true NP first timer. I love when they tell me the oldest guy they have dated is like 25.
HollywoodGuy
08-05-16, 15:23
Anyone near Anaheim? . . This girl is ready to meet. She is a little too far, too old, and little too thick, but I am sure just right for a lot of guys. She is really pushing me, so someone hit her up and take her on an M&G. You could probably seal the deal this weekend, and she drives. My best guess is that $.5 would be sufficient, but I didn't ask her. Marie_lov3 on SA.
Wow. She looks lovely. And she would easily pass for a 23 year old.
My roommate was looking so pretty today I had to post. Having her around helps keep any POTS with their big ideas in check. I think she looks damn good for her age. 34
JohnnyTheWad
08-07-16, 00:21
My roommate was looking so pretty today I had to post. Having her around helps keep any POTS with their big ideas in check. I think she looks damn good for her age. 34Hollywood, you are one lucky dawg there bro.
My roommate was looking so pretty today I had to post. Having her around helps keep any POTS with their big ideas in check. I think she looks damn good for her age. 34Lets see her lovely naked body Hguy. Please?
HollywoodGuy
08-07-16, 12:46
Lets see her lovely naked body Hguy. Please?That's not going to happen. LOL. She is my SO.
That's not going to happen. LOL. She is my SO.So did she decide to go FC with you. I know she was around and you guys were having some second base kind of fun. Didn't know it had progressed. Congrats! She is stunning!
HollywoodGuy
08-07-16, 14:52
So did she decide to go FC with you. I know she was around and you guys were having some second base kind of fun. Didn't know it had progressed. Congrats! She is stunning!No. She is strictly eye candy. And she pays me. So its just like all the SO stories I read about on this site. For now I just have an arrangement where I only see my girls when she is at work. I got her guest room all set up. Just need her to go buy a bed (which strangely she hasn't done yet). Then I can have someone sleep over if I want.
She doesn't date. She just works like 70 hours a week, comes home, we have dinner, I give her a legit massage and we go to sleep. So if I take the 7 bills a month she gives me and spend that on sugaring I am basically at zero for the month. I wont get too many trips to the FC but at least I am breaking even for now, until things pick up at work in a month or so.
Lets see her lovely naked body Hguy. Please?I wholeheartedly agree.
HollywoodGuy
08-07-16, 19:50
I wholeheartedly agree.She would have to be sleeping. LOL. Saw my ATF today. I renegotiated our arrangement to once a week for $1.4 including the RT uber.
HollywoodGuy
08-08-16, 11:45
I am going to meet this cute 19 year old after work tomorrow. It took a few weeks to make the connection. But that's more the route I am going these days. Get to know them a little first. But at 5.3 and maybe 110 she is in the game. She agreed to the $ plus transportation cost. We are going to just do the M&G at my place.
FarFarAway
08-08-16, 14:03
The Sultan had a harem of 1000 women stashed in the lower levels of the palace. He would send his eunuch to fetch one when she took his fancy, today Fatima, tomorrow Scheherazade. He insisted they arrive as quickly as possible, so the eunuch would rush to get the appointed lady and bring her upstairs. After a few years of this, the eunuch dropped dead coming up the staircase. The lesson here. Sex doesn't kill you, but running after it does.
Something to keep in mind when you are in frenzy of messaging on SA (which I have admittedly done).
HollywoodGuy
08-08-16, 17:01
ME. If you are willing to take less to be with a more chill, fun, and good looking guy, then we might be able to make this work. So what do you think?
Calicutie524.
Honestly, and I am an honest person, LA is expensive as hell. And I have no problem at all going out and getting a guy. Also 200 and 300 dollars were the lowest offers I got so far. I even have guys telling me they wil give me 800 to 1,000 so yeah sorry. But I,m not sorry to sound like a money hungry ****, so hey, I'm going to go with the top dollar.
Here is my latest convo with an Asian girl on SA. Her response is to my offer of $$ per date.
Her: I am a full time nursing student, so I am very busy and need financial support. I really appreciate if you help me $500 dollars per a meeting. Also, I prefer to use condoms when we date.
So I have a successful M&G with a lovely girl. She is down to meet up on Thursday for some fun. Problem is she still lives with her parents and I can't take her to my place. I don't want to shell out a fortune on an expensive hotel room.
Are there any private spa / jaccuzi places or something else that you guys use? Anywhere in the area between LAX and downtown would work. Can't be too ghetto though. Read the Notel thread, but haven't found anything worthwhile.
So I have a successful M&G with a lovely girl. She is down to meet up on Thursday for some fun. Problem is she still lives with her parents and I can't take her to my place. I don't want to shell out a fortune on an expensive hotel room.
Are there any private spa / jaccuzi places or something else that you guys use? Anywhere in the area between LAX and downtown would work. Can't be too ghetto though. Read the Notel thread, but haven't found anything worthwhile.One possibility might be the Crystal Inn and Suites on Imperial and Prairie. I know they advertise jacuzzi rooms, and it doesn't look ghetto from the outside. Don't know about rates as I have never used it.
Here is my latest convo with an Asian girl on SA. Her response is to my offer of $$ per date.
Her: I am a full time nursing student, so I am very busy and need financial support. I really appreciate if you help me $500 dollars per a meeting. Also, I prefer to use condoms when we date.Screenname?
HollywoodGuy
08-09-16, 02:19
I got an unexpected visit from my middle class freshman today. She is almost 19 now. When she dropped by she said that she missed me but wasn't coming over for sex, and that she was just passing through on her way to a friends for dinner. But she was wearing a micro mini length romper with no bra or panties on. You gotta love these girls. She really loves the games, and so do I. And 2 hours later she was on her way, a few O's and a $ richer.
HollywoodGuy
08-09-16, 02:38
MiaKnows
22 Female Encino, California, United States.
Never done this before.
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Why am I not believing that?
Never been there but the Snooty Fox has rooms with spa / jaccuzi. They are on Western Ave. And have rooms $29 for 3 hrs.
So I have a successful M&G with a lovely girl. She is down to meet up on Thursday for some fun. Problem is she still lives with her parents and I can't take her to my place. I don't want to shell out a fortune on an expensive hotel room.
Are there any private spa / jaccuzi places or something else that you guys use? Anywhere in the area between LAX and downtown would work. Can't be too ghetto though. Read the Notel thread, but haven't found anything worthwhile.
HollywoodGuy
08-09-16, 02:52
Never been there but the Snooty Fox has rooms with spa / jaccuzi. They are on Western Ave. And have rooms $29 for 3 hrs.Haven't been there is forever. But it was cool the last time I went. Like 3 years ago.
Had to pass this one up. What a shame. And what a body.
I got an unexpected visit from my middle class freshman today. She is almost 19 now. When she dropped by she said that she missed me but wasn't coming over for sex, and that she was just passing through on her way to a friends for dinner. But she was wearing a micro mini length romper with no bra or panties on. You gotta love these girls. She really loves the games, and so do I. And 2 hours later she was on her way, a few O's and a $ richer.Find her on SA? Or?
John HandCock
08-09-16, 07:14
So I have a successful M&G with a lovely girl. She is down to meet up on Thursday for some fun. Problem is she still lives with her parents and I can't take her to my place. I don't want to shell out a fortune on an expensive hotel room.
Are there any private spa / jaccuzi places or something else that you guys use? Anywhere in the area between LAX and downtown would work. Can't be too ghetto though. Read the Notel thread, but haven't found anything worthwhile.Try the app beewake and see if it finds anything. Its reviewed on Richmond thread and it find hotels that rent rooms out for a few hours. New app but if you find one room its wort downloading. Its only good for larger cities and not alot of hotels participating right now.
Never been there but the Snooty Fox has rooms with spa / jaccuzi. They are on Western Ave. And have rooms $29 for 3 hrs.Last time I went to Snooty Fox, they wouldn't let me rent a room unless I provided the I'd of the 2nd occupant. They didn't believe me when I said it was just me so I ended up going to the Mustang across the street.
MiaKnows
22 Female Encino, California, United States.
Never done this before.
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Why am I not believing that?Could it be the tatts? Maybe the lingerie?
HollywoodGuy
08-09-16, 20:56
Could it be the tatts? Maybe the lingerie?IDK. But she messaged me again. I actually would love to see this girl for a $. And she lives nearby.
HollywoodGuy
08-09-16, 20:56
Find her on SA? Or?I only use SA these days, and for about the last year now.
HollywoodGuy
08-09-16, 20:59
I am going to meet this cute 19 year old after work tomorrow. It took a few weeks to make the connection. But that's more the route I am going these days. Get to know them a little first. But at 5.3 and maybe 110 she is in the game. She agreed to the $ plus transportation cost. We are going to just do the M&G at my place.Met her today. She was a guaranteed NP first timer. And it was her first time for a lot of other things too (she loved all of it and can't wait to learn more). She has never dated a guy over 21, so a bit lacking in experience, but not in natural ability. We had a great time. She was heavier than her pics, but a chill sexy girl that I will see again. Total damage was $.2 which included her RT train ride from the IE. It was 2.5 hours travel time for her plus 3 hours with me (with about 1 of that in the FC). We talked a lot afterward. These girls are curious and want direction. At a $ they are rarely gonna be 9's. But what they lack in appearance they more than make up for in enthusiasm and a genuine desire to please. I actually had 3 pretty bad first time dates in a row before meeting her. You just never know when a good one is going to come along. And I told her honestly, if things keep progressing we are good for 2 to 10 more dates. At 7 to 10 dates I either end it or do at least 10 more. I mean a keeper doesn't mean keep her forever.
It's been a while since I posted, but I'm going to try and jump back in and participate. I'll start with the current stable.
TheSinger (CL) - Just turned 30, beautiful, smoking body, 2 kids, no allowance as we are in bf / gf status. It's non-exclusive for me. 5'7, 130 lbs, D-Cups. Real amateur singer, I even bought her songs on Amazon to be supportive.
IndianPrincess (SA) - Stunning 21 year old East Indian. No set allowance. She just wants good conversation and a good screwing. We meet once a week. She has been happy with whatever I gave. $50-$150, she has never complained. 5'2, with butt and Double Ds. Amazing mic skills and great sounds.
AirlineStewardess (SA) - Gorgeous 24 year old. Pretty smile, A cups, bubble butt, petite. We have done some making out, but not done the deed. She has her own place, no kids. Did not want to agree to an amount, wanted bf with someone who's not 100% available and can help out every and then. So far so good. The cash outlay has been minimum. Schedules are crazy now as I'm traveling and she travels every day during the week for work.
Co-EdHottie (SA) - 19, Petite with C-Cups and cute butt. Pretty, but could use some dental help, I'm going to work on that. We did the TiggaBounce first meeting. She got a $50 retail gift card and was happy as she likes online shopping. We'll only meet once or twice a month. She's in college to become a doctor. So she'll be in college for a while. Lives in dorms, so I have to always get a room. So meeting her will be limited. The sex was great, we spent over 4 hours together the first meeting.
CuteNLonely (SA) - 34 year old, Cute but not stuning, probably a 7 in looks, 7 in body, 10 in personality, own place, own car. 5'9, Triple D's. $500 per month, meeting as often as I can handle it. Even gave me a key within the first 2 weeks. (For the record, I have keys from 3 different women, but I rarely ever use them.).
All others are secondary and backup, but for the record.
MsMature (AFF) - 41 year old, single, never been married, no kids, has her own place. I've known her for years. No funds, she just loves the company. 5'11, Triple D's, medium to large build, very little fat.
4'9, big butt African (SA).
5'1 big boob petite African (SA).
BigTigg.
HollywoodGuy
08-09-16, 22:42
It's been a while since I posted, but I'm going to try and jump back in and participate. I'll start with the current stable.
TheSinger (CL) - Just turned 30, beautiful, smoking body, 2 kids, no allowance as we are in bf / gf status. It's non-exclusive for me. 5'7, 130 lbs, D-Cups. Real amateur singer, I even bought her songs on Amazon to be supportive.
IndianPrincess (SA) - Stunning 21 year old East Indian. No set allowance. She just wants good conversation and a good screwing. We meet once a week. She has been happy with whatever I gave. $50-$150, she has never complained. 5'2, with butt and Double Ds. Amazing mic skills and great sounds.
AirlineStewardess (SA) - Gorgeous 24 year old. Pretty smile, A cups, bubble butt, petite. We have done some making out, but not done the deed. She has her own place, no kids. Did not want to agree to an amount, wanted bf with someone who's not 100% available and can help out every and then. So far so good. The cash outlay has been minimum. Schedules are crazy now as I'm traveling and she travels every day during the week for work.
Co-EdHottie (SA) - 19, Petite with C-Cups and cute butt. Pretty, but could use some dental help, I'm going to work on that. We did the TiggaBounce first meeting. She got a $50 retail gift card and was happy as she likes online shopping. We'll only meet once or twice a month. She's in college to become a doctor. So she'll be in college for a while. Lives in dorms, so I have to always get a room. So meeting her will be limited. The sex was great, we spent over 4 hours together the first meeting.
CuteNLonely (SA) - 34 year old, Cute but not stuning, probably a 7 in looks, 7 in body, 10 in personality, own place, own car. 5'9, Triple D's. $500 per month, meeting as often as I can handle it. Even gave me a key within the first 2 weeks. (For the record, I have keys from 3 different women, but I rarely ever use them.).
All others are secondary and backup, but for the record.
MsMature (AFF) - 41 year old, single, never been married, no kids, has her own place. I've known her for years. No funds, she just loves the company. 5'11, Triple D's, medium to large build, very little fat.
4'9, big butt African (SA).
5'1 big boob petite African (SA).
BigTigg.I almost got tired just reading this, much less doing it.
I almost got tired just reading this, much less doing it.Hollywood, I cannot compete with your historical high levels of success! But I try to do my part to keep the hobby relevant! LOL.
HollywoodGuy
08-09-16, 23:42
Hollywood, I cannot compete with your historical high levels of success! But I try to do my part to keep the hobby relevant! LOL.I did just have a 3 day run... First time in a long time.
So I had another meet and greet with a 21 Asian girl from SA. Real life looks differed quite a bit from the one photoshopped profile pic. She wasn't ugly, but not remotely as cute as that profile pic. Overall she was average at best. Nail Polish peeling off, teeth crooked, flabby, etc. She had a nice and out going personality and after 40 min of talking we decided to meet up tomorrow for a "date". Of course she can't host because she lives with roommates. She was chill and never brought up any alloance amount.
So I start looking for rooms (thank you USG forum for suggestions) and txted her to confirm times. She texted me back available and finally brought up allowance talk. She told me that her last arrangement was 400 per date. I gave her my honest response what I was willing to give her $. 5 to $$. I also had to keep in mind that I still have to pay for the room. She declined and wished me a good life. Didn't even counter.
Are guys really paying those amounts. I can get a smoking hot k-girl for 250 all day long with msog. What gives?
On the bright side I have two leads at $. 5 per date. Wish me luck.
HollywoodGuy
08-10-16, 02:32
So I had another meet and greet with a 21 Asian girl from SA. Real life looks differed quite a bit from the one photoshopped profile pic. She wasn't ugly, but not remotely as cute as that profile pic. Overall she was average at best. Nail Polish peeling off, teeth crooked, flabby, etc. She had a nice and out going personality and after 40 min of talking we decided to meet up tomorrow for a "date". Of course she can't host because she lives with roommates. She was chill and never brought up any alloance amount.
So I start looking for rooms (thank you USG forum for suggestions) and txted her to confirm times. She texted me back available and finally brought up allowance talk. She told me that her last arrangement was 400 per date. I gave her my honest response what I was willing to give her $. 5 to $$. I also had to keep in mind that I still have to pay for the room. She declined and wished me a good life. Didn't even counter.
Are guys really paying those amounts. I can get a smoking hot k-girl for 250 all day long with msog. What gives?
On the bright side I have two leads at $. 5 per date. Wish me luck.Just keep at it. At $$ or even $.5 you will get what you are looking for. A hot girl with low mileage.
It depends on what you bring to the table in the looks, body and personality department. I always find it's best to be in your budget range and just let the rest go.
So I had another meet and greet with a 21 Asian girl from SA. Real life looks differed quite a bit from the one photoshopped profile pic. She wasn't ugly, but not remotely as cute as that profile pic. Overall she was average at best. Nail Polish peeling off, teeth crooked, flabby, etc. She had a nice and out going personality and after 40 min of talking we decided to meet up tomorrow for a "date". Of course she can't host because she lives with roommates. She was chill and never brought up any alloance amount.
So I start looking for rooms (thank you USG forum for suggestions) and txted her to confirm times. She texted me back available and finally brought up allowance talk. She told me that her last arrangement was 400 per date. I gave her my honest response what I was willing to give her $. 5 to $$. I also had to keep in mind that I still have to pay for the room. She declined and wished me a good life. Didn't even counter.
Are guys really paying those amounts. I can get a smoking hot k-girl for 250 all day long with msog. What gives?
On the bright side I have two leads at $. 5 per date. Wish me luck.
HollywoodGuy
08-10-16, 11:50
So I had another meet and greet with a 21 Asian girl from SA. Real life looks differed quite a bit from the one photoshopped profile pic. She wasn't ugly, but not remotely as cute as that profile pic. Overall she was average at best. Nail Polish peeling off, teeth crooked, flabby, etc. She had a nice and out going personality and after 40 min of talking we decided to meet up tomorrow for a "date". Of course she can't host because she lives with roommates. She was chill and never brought up any alloance amount.
So I start looking for rooms (thank you USG forum for suggestions) and txted her to confirm times. She texted me back available and finally brought up allowance talk. She told me that her last arrangement was 400 per date. I gave her my honest response what I was willing to give her $. 5 to $$. I also had to keep in mind that I still have to pay for the room. She declined and wished me a good life. Didn't even counter.
Are guys really paying those amounts. I can get a smoking hot k-girl for 250 all day long with msog. What gives?
On the bright side I have two leads at $. 5 per date. Wish me luck.There are always guys that way over pay. But many of those times they are experiencing GFE in and out of the bedroom, overnite visits, travel and just a general feeling of not being in a transaction relationship (which of course is BS). My very average looking new pinay friend was getting 5 bills a date and she is now up to a G a date. That requires about 2 days out of her months it requires travel and an overnite. But never worry about what other people do or don't do. Stay the course and you will find your groove. Kinda what BT said.
There are always guys that way over pay. But many of those times they are experiencing GFE in and out of the bedroom, overnite visits, travel and just a general feeling of not being in a transaction relationship (which of course is BS). My very average looking new pinay friend was getting 5 bills a date and she is now up to a G a date. That requires about 2 days out of her months it requires travel and an overnite. But never worry about what other people do or don't do. Stay the course and you will find your groove. Kinda what BT said.You are absolutely right. Everyone situation is different. I'm married with daytime / weekday freedom only. I don't have the time or need for overnight stays or candlelight dinners. I have a thing for Asian flavored girls so my focus really revolves around them. I currently have a good setup with one of the CeeVee girls that I see 1-2/ per week. She texts me all the time asking for advice on personal matters and it is turning somewhat into a SD / SB relationship but I know that she sees a lot of guys to pay for a expensive lifestyle. I pay her for 30 min, but usually stay for 2 hrs.
I'm actually a good looking guy with an outgoing personality who could get civilian dates with attractive girls, but being married won't allow for that. I learned my lesson by letting an Asian coworker get too close to me. After a nice BBBJCIM during lunch break she wouldn't leave me alone and insisted on going out on long dates and spending extensive time with her. I obviously could do that due to my wife asking questions. Luckily she got fired 4 weeks later, but a big lesson learned.
I've been mongering in the US, Germany and China for the past 25 years, but venturing into the SD / SB world is still new to me.
HollywoodGuy
08-10-16, 15:18
You are absolutely right. Everyone situation is different. I'm married with daytime / weekday freedom only. I don't have the time or need for overnight stays or candlelight dinners. I have a thing for Asian flavored girls so my focus really revolves around them. I currently have a good setup with one of the CeeVee girls that I see 1-2/ per week. She texts me all the time asking for advice on personal matters and it is turning somewhat into a SD / SB relationship but I know that she sees a lot of guys to pay for a expensive lifestyle. I pay her for 30 min, but usually stay for 2 hrs.
I'm actually a good looking guy with an outgoing personality who could get civilian dates with attractive girls, but being married won't allow for that. I learned my lesson by letting an Asian coworker get too close to me. After a nice BBBJCIM during lunch break she wouldn't leave me alone and insisted on going out on long dates and spending extensive time with her. I obviously could do that due to my wife asking questions. Luckily she got fired 4 weeks later, but a big lesson learned.
I've been mongering in the US, Germany and China for the past 25 years, but venturing into the SD / SB world is still new to me.I rarely partake in traditional mongering (except for the SA UTR's), but my understanding is that you are paying them to be on a strict schedule and to leave at a specific time.
The problem (if we can call it that) is that the lines between sugaring and civi dating can get blurred. I won't and don't civi date for the very reason that I want the control and I want them to leave (when I want them to leave). So my advice to me is to never civi date, never let an SB think she is irreplaceable, and know that all good things come to end. Am I open to a semi-traditional GF? I am, but I am far too needy for any girl and my expectations would be totally unrealistic, so I don't get my hopes up or my dreams shattered. And I think there are a lot of guys like me. They have different girls for different needs. If they could combine 5 or 6 of them into one perfect girl then everything would be fine. But thats not likely to happen in this universe.
And a guys looks do have an impact on their sugaring success (as well as personality and good manners), but there is always a path to get your individual needs met one way or another. But to ever think of mongering or sugaring as somehow a defect of character when juxtaposed to being able to score in the civi market, I just LMFAO.
I've been asked by a number of people what I have in my profile and for help getting attention on SB websites. So I thought it best to just post it here. I've had two main profiles over the years and there were a few constant themes that women have complimented me on with examples.
In your profile, make sure it hits the following areas:
1. Be engaging and funny-- "Not only can I keep a secret, tie my shoes and chew gum at the same, eat with all of my (god-given) brushed teeth, entice you with my smile and faint scent of cologne. ".
2. Be specific with what you are looking for from her and what you bring to the table without using numerical expressions-- (meet twice a week, travel every now and then. Someone who's fun to be around, no drama with passion and has a little 007 street smarts, I cover all expenses and you will be taken care of in and outside of the bedroom).
3. Appeal to their mind and frustrations -- "It's time out for one-sided relationships and imbalanced expectations. It's time that you spent your time with someone who appreciates you, your faults, your strengths, your insecurities and your loyalty. ".
4. Downplay when appropriate / show humility but confidence -- "Ok, I'm not 6'2, but I have a big. Personality and I suck in my stomach really well".
5. Show you are not desperate, have some guile with guidelines - "I have no problem waiting for the right one and skipping those who can't even get gas to meet me at the date or have immediate eviction needs".
6. Encourage them to take initiative with some homework -So hit me up if I've piqued your interest and give me at least two reasons why you think we'll be a great fit".
Then.
Actively search and seek out POTS.
Be flirtatious without being crude and dirty old man "wow your pictures had a few thoughts run through my mind, but the relationship is too new to share those thoughts just yet, LOL".
Be engaging via email and move to texting as soon as possible.
Have pics to share. Via text only. Limit it to 3 and remind them that you are married (if appropriate) so you just use that to make sure everyone is happy with what they see.
Do not send dic pics! Don't ask for pics after the first 3 or 4 (until after you have met), make sure to get a full body pic.
*Super Important*.
Bring small gifts in a gift bag to the first date. Get your pattern down for what's in the bag, but include a Thank You card with about $40-$50 visa gift card inside. You can say it's for gas, etc. Remember they are looking for someone financially healthy, so dropping $50 for a M&G goes a long way. Especially since there are not any sexual expectations. Spending a little upfront will get you way more down the road.
Compliment in as many ways as possible the entire relationship. Even slide them in during conversation "Well, maybe we are getting such good service because they see how pretty you are and think you are famous or something (don't forget to laugh)".
This has worked wonders for me, "I've been told over and over, you make me feel so beautiful and special". That is always a sign that I've been successful.
BigTigg.
So I had another meet and greet with a 21 Asian girl from SA. Real life looks differed quite a bit from the one photoshopped profile pic. She wasn't ugly, but not remotely as cute as that profile pic. Overall she was average at best. Nail Polish peeling off, teeth crooked, flabby, etc. She had a nice and out going personality and after 40 min of talking we decided to meet up tomorrow for a "date". Of course she can't host because she lives with roommates. She was chill and never brought up any alloance amount.
So I start looking for rooms (thank you USG forum for suggestions) and txted her to confirm times. She texted me back available and finally brought up allowance talk. She told me that her last arrangement was 400 per date. I gave her my honest response what I was willing to give her $. 5 to $$. I also had to keep in mind that I still have to pay for the room. She declined and wished me a good life. Didn't even counter.
Are guys really paying those amounts. I can get a smoking hot k-girl for 250 all day long with msog. What gives?
On the bright side I have two leads at $. 5 per date. Wish me luck.You also have to remember that the rates vary by race. It's sad and probably a little racist, but it's true. Asian-American and white girls are generally more desirable by guys on average and thus get a higher rate. Black girls probably get the lowest rate. If you read all the stories here, you can start to see this pattern very clearly.
HollywoodGuy
08-10-16, 16:45
I've been asked by a number of people what I have in my profile and for help getting attention on SB websites. So I thought it best to just post it here.
BigTigg.This is definitely a plan for success. And certain things are always going to work. But the first thing to always remember is that most guys are assholes. And if you're an asshole (and like being an asshole) you can still sugar, you are just going to have to pay a lot more to do it.
But humor, genuine respect, humilty, matter of factness (if that's a word) and offering whatever level of gerorosity you can honestly afford will always serve you well.
This is definitely a plan for success. And certain things are always going to work. But the first thing to always remember is that most guys are assholes. And if you're an asshole (and like being an asshole) you can still sugar, you are just going to have to pay a lot more to do it.
But humor, genuine respect, humilty, matter of factness (if that's a word) and offering whatever level of gerorosity you can honestly afford will always serve you well.Agree Wholeheartedly!
HollywoodGuy
08-11-16, 03:22
I have to say that since I changed my SA profile, in which I made my intentions very very direct, I have been getting some great replies. And from some really nice looking young ladies. Their profiles are ones I may have passed up before. About half are the ones I expect. But the other half are from really sweet looking, young and curious girls I may have just ignored before. Many with the higher expectation amounts that many times turn me off to even messaging them.
Hello all. Many thanks to everyone here who have led the way. Wanted to ask some of the veterans here for some guidance.
1) What is the best way to transition to the FC? Lets say you are out to dinner with a girl, and you want to go back to the FC. How would you propose this to the girl? When I have gone out with girls so far, it hasn't been clear that we would go up on the first meet much less have settled on a dollar figure. How are you guys playing out this key moment where you ask her to go up and you tell her what you will pay her?
2) Ideally, I would like to screen for expectations upfront as much as possible to screen for GPS. When you are messaging with girls, how are you bringing up what you will pay them for sugar? I have tried asking girls what their expectations are but that usually produces a vague response. Do most of you guys come up front with what you are willing to offer per meet, and if so how are you saying this?
Thanks again for everyones help!
Thats very interesting feedback! May I ask how much direct? Like, do you even put out what allowance you are willing to pay? Thanks.
I have to say that since I changed my SA profile, in which I made my intentions very very direct, I have been getting some great replies. And from some really nice looking young ladies. Their profiles are ones I may have passed up before. About half are the ones I expect. But the other half are from really sweet looking, young and curious girls I may have just ignored before. Many with the higher expectation amounts that many times turn me off to even messaging them.
John HandCock
08-11-16, 11:18
Thats very interesting feedback! May I ask how much direct? Like, do you even put out what allowance you are willing to pay? Thanks.Being dirrct is nothing new and should be put in your profile. Use common sence and don't be a dick, or come on like your talking to a hooker. If interested in bdsm say so, subs, or what fetish your looking for. Be polite and don't come off like a monger. Pretty simple stuff, not rocket science.
HollywoodGuy
08-11-16, 13:29
Being direct is nothing new and should be put in your profile. Use common sense and don't be a dick, or come on like your talking to a hooker. If interested in bdsm say so, subs, or what fetish your looking for. Be polite and don't come off like a monger. Pretty simple stuff, not rocket science.I am looking for subs, but the one I met a couple days ago was a first timer. I suppose after I handed her the cash her status officially changed. But the thrill of the SD sites is to be the first. But there are so many nuances you don't want to be super direct or too vague. It like casting a wide net as opposed to line fishing. My point more clearly made would be to try various levels of directness until you hit the sweet spot. I have changed my profile multiple times and continue to refine my intro and pat answers as I get more feedback. It's an ongoing process.
There is a limit to directness. You might crave DT, but its probably not a good idea to say that on an SD profile. I mostly date black and asian girls (and date white less than 5% of the time) but I don't say that in my profile either. So some things I leave the door open on, and others I get very strict with. Even specifically spelling it out is no guarantee they are gonna be into it. Many times they just like you and feel their other qualities will make up for certain things you were hoping for. Sometimes that works.. like my last date. And sometimes not which is disappointing. But hey, it's all in the game.
John HandCock
08-11-16, 14:40
I am looking for subs, but the one I met a couple days ago was a first timer. I suppose after I handed her the cash her status officially changed. But the thrill of the SD sites is to be the first. But there are so many nuances you don't want to be super direct or too vague. It like casting a wide net as opposed to line fishing. My point more clearly made would be to try various levels of directness until you hit the sweet spot. I have changed my profile multiple times and continue to refine my intro and pat answers as I get more feedback. It's an ongoing process.
There is a limit to directness. You might crave DT, but its probably not a good idea to say that on an SD profile. I mostly date black and asian girls (and date white less than 5% of the time) but I don't say that in my profile either. So some things I leave the door open on, and others I get very strict with. Even specifically spelling it out is no guarantee they are gonna be into it. Many times they just like you and feel their other qualities will make up for certain things you were hoping for. Sometimes that works.. like my last date. And sometimes not which is disappointing. But hey, it's all in the game.My profile says looking for something special, looking for a sub. Thats as direct it gets till text mrssage. Just because they say the are doesn't mean they are. Everyone has different definition. Had one girl think a sub was someone who stood in for your sb while on vacation LOL. If they say their sub then I ask to describe what they have done. Then I des ribe what I expect. Either they drop out or we continue. Your first few meetings takes time to feel each other out and get comfortable for most. Now some freaks just jump right in. Depends on the person.
HollywoodGuy
08-11-16, 14:50
From the last round of POTS that i posted I didn't get any of them. The one I did get I wasn't even thinking about. She just suddenly pulled the trigger. Here is the next round.
19 - and OMG tiny. Under 5 feet.
23 - slender and shy looking - 5.3
18 - asian and curious - 5 feet.
20 - seems the most likely to follow through - 5.2
All young, small and petite or slender.
Well if Pablo Picasso had his "Blue" phase I would venture to say you are on your way to your "Spinner" phase.
From the last round of POTS that i posted I didn't get any of them. The one I did get I wasn't even thinking about. She just suddenly pulled the trigger. Here is the next round.
The 19 year old "OMG tiny. Under 5 feet" is the cutest IMHO
19 - and OMG tiny. Under 5 feet.
23 - slender and shy looking - 5.3
18 - asian and curious - 5 feet.
20 - seems the most likely to follow through - 5.2
All young, small and petite or slender.
From the last round of POTS that i posted I didn't get any of them. The one I did get I wasn't even thinking about. She just suddenly pulled the trigger. Here is the next round.
19 - and OMG tiny. Under 5 feet.
23 - slender and shy looking - 5.3
18 - asian and curious - 5 feet.
20 - seems the most likely to follow through - 5.2
All young, small and petite or slender.Been spending time with my hot Latina. More like BF situation. But Damn HG these are all incredible. Would you be willing to share your new template in PM? I always change my profile to suit my personality but your help through the years has proved invaluable. Here are some I have been Messaging.
HollywoodGuy
08-14-16, 16:11
Been spending time with my hot Latina. More like BF situation. But Damn HG these are all incredible. Would you be willing to share your new template in PM? I always change my profile to suit my personality but your help through the years has proved invaluable. Here are some I have been Messaging.So far none of my posted pots has come through. I did get one I wasn't really thinking about earlier in the week. She was a bit overwhelmed but couldn't stop smiling. But when it came time for a repeat on Friday she tried to up the ante to $.5... So I declined and saw my ATF instead. As far as the template, for now I am gonna hold onto that.
As far as the template, for now I am gonna hold onto that.Who could blame you! Guess it's time to get the creative juices going. .
HollywoodGuy
08-14-16, 21:20
Who could blame you! Guess it's time to get the creative juices going. .Write a few good pat answers (that sound conversational) to some commonly asked questions. Its a big time saver.
HollywoodGuy
08-16-16, 04:46
Sugaring on a budget sucks. I need to make some bank and start fucking the $$ girls.
Sugaring on a budget sucks. I need to make some bank and start fucking the $$ girls.Welcome to my world Yoast! Name that movie and you win five bucks hahahah. But seriously it does, It is worth while when you score but lot more work it seems. You wrote the book on this shit bro you will be fine.
Sugaring on a budget sucks. I need to make some bank and start fucking the $$ girls.I hear you loud and clear. I barely even can find SBs in the $$ range. Getting offers for $$$ and $$ per date. Way too rich for my blood. The only ones that are willing to take $. 5 still live with their parents and can't host. I'm giving this until the end of this month and then it is back to regular mongering. Too much work.
HollywoodGuy
08-16-16, 15:48
Welcome to my world Yoast! Name that movie and you win five bucks hahahah. But seriously it does, It is worth while when you score but lot more work it seems. You wrote the book on this shit bro you will be fine.Well I am on a mission to get out of this damn recession. Learning how to get the $ girls was and is good training for when I step back into the $$ girls. Because I have already done enough research to know that at $$ they will all be like 8 quality or higher looking girls. Still no guarantee of performance. But even when they don't make it past a date or two, they"re still nicer to look at.
FarFarAway
08-16-16, 19:28
I need a short primer on this app. I have a burner that isn't smart, and a personal smart phone. I have a POT who wants to chat on Kik. According to Wikipedia, I can get an account without revealing anything, but I am still unsure about this idea. Is there any chance at all there will be some breadcrumbs left behind on my smart phone that the SO could find?? I have searched USASG to no avail. What Wiki says is trumped by what a real SD who has skin in the game says.
FarFarAway
08-16-16, 23:29
What do you guys think about the girls you always see on SA? I have been a member about 2 months, and there are faces I see over and over again. Some I contacted before, some I skipped, some tempt me to try now when before I thought they were out of my league. Anyway, is it a fair guess that they are all UTR? Is that a good indicator of UTRs? How do you think about it? I guess the reverse doesn't mean much (guys always on the site) - just what we thought many of us were doing. Trying to get as much pussy as we can.
Madaboutmax
08-17-16, 09:53
An interesting subject. I tend to focus on newbies. They don't seem to be as hardened or professional as the longer term girls. By contrast, many of the new girls want an SD with experience. Many of the longer term "hardened" girls are also looking for newbie SDs they can take advantage of. We almost all make newbie mistakes by over paying and not settings expectations. Many hardened girls know it.
Use your experience as a plus. Talk about the successful arrangements you've had that have been mutually beneficial. New girls find it very comforting.
What do you guys think about the girls you always see on SA? I have been a member about 2 months, and there are faces I see over and over again. Some I contacted before, some I skipped, some tempt me to try now when before I thought they were out of my league. Anyway, is it a fair guess that they are all UTR? Is that a good indicator of UTRs? How do you think about it? I guess the reverse doesn't mean much (guys always on the site) - just what we thought many of us were doing. Trying to get as much pussy as we can.
HollywoodGuy
08-17-16, 16:56
An interesting subject. I tend to focus on newbies. They don't seem to be as hardened or professional as the longer term girls. By contrast, many of the new girls want an SD with experience. Many of the longer term "hardened" girls are also looking for newbie SDs they can take advantage of. We almost all make newbie mistakes by over paying and not settings expectations. Many hardened girls know it.
Use your experience as a plus. Talk about the successful arrangements you've had that have been mutually beneficial. New girls find it very comforting.All very true. I try to catch them on their first day. I know some guys like to wait a week or so. But by then, many are already gone. My first SB was a pro SB. Boy did she take me for a ride. But I learned a lot and it changed my life.
I need a short primer on this app. I have a burner that isn't smart, and a personal smart phone. I have a POT who wants to chat on Kik. According to Wikipedia, I can get an account without revealing anything, but I am still unsure about this idea. Is there any chance at all there will be some breadcrumbs left behind on my smart phone that the SO could find?? I have searched USASG to no avail. What Wiki says is trumped by what a real SD who has skin in the game says.I'd stay away from KIK. If I remember correctly, if someone downloads the KIK app (your S. O.) and that person has you in their phone book it will suggest you as a contact or friend. I deleted it from my phone after that.
I suggest.
A. buy a new smartphone burner. (I had a hard time communicating with younger girls due to my non smart phone burner, as you mentioned apps, pics etc).
B. buy a used smartphone, and use it pre-paid. Some prepaid companies have kits to use an old smart phone and get a new prepaid number on it.
C. Want to keep the old burner number, I believe they have kits to upgrade the phone on a prepaid plan.
Again, this is from what I remember so sorry if its not completely accurate. I would proceed with caution.
FarFarAway
08-17-16, 17:30
Thanks for the info, XBX. And haven't seen on the thread you in a while. Welcome back. Alas, it is too late. I will tell you the context below. I was promised I could delete the app before I went home and it was unlikely there would be a connection made. Installing and deleting each time is a pain, though.
I caught a break on Craigslist for a girl with a pretty cryptic post. Turns out she's a 28 YO from Utah who's coming with her GF to soCal Labor Day weekend for their birthdays. Shared several smoking hot pics. She might be UTR, but perhaps just a party girl. Lives *very* well. Anyway, we have chatted a lot by email and she appears genuinely interested in me and someone to 'show her around'. For some reason she wants to use KIK before giving me her phone #.
That mode of operation is similar to Skype, I believe. I appreciate the guidance about phones. I am thinking about getting a smart phone through the 'bring your own' feature of a major prepaid carrier we all know. My brainstorm is to exactly duplicate the smartphone I just got for my civi #. A subtle mark will let me know which is which, reducing danger in case of accidental discovery.
I'd stay away from KIK. If I remember correctly, if someone downloads the KIK app (your S. O.) and that person has you in their phone book it will suggest you as a contact or friend. I deleted it from my phone after that.
I suggest.
A. buy a new smartphone burner. (I had a hard time communicating with younger girls due to my non smart phone burner, as you mentioned apps, pics etc).
B. buy a used smartphone, and use it pre-paid. Some prepaid companies have kits to use an old smart phone and get a new prepaid number on it.
C. Want to keep the old burner number, I believe they have kits to upgrade the phone on a prepaid plan.
Again, this is from what I remember so sorry if its not completely accurate. I would proceed with caution.
FarFarAway
08-17-16, 21:28
OK, lost touch with the SB, and now I can't uninstall Kik from the damn phone. Follow the obvious instructions that delete other apps, but it doesn't work. I did click a link in the email Kik sent me to establish the account with them, and it said the account was deleted with Kik, but the damn app is still there. It's a Windows 10 phone, FYI. So, yes, *don't* do Kik unless it is on your burner.
Thanks for the info, XBX. And haven't seen on the thread you in a while. Welcome back. Alas, it is too late. I will tell you the context below. I was promised I could delete the app before I went home and it was unlikely there would be a connection made. Installing and deleting each time is a pain, though.
I caught a break on Craigslist for a girl with a pretty cryptic post. Turns out she's a 28 YO from Utah who's coming with her GF to soCal Labor Day weekend for their birthdays. Shared several smoking hot pics. She might be UTR, but perhaps just a party girl. Lives *very* well. Anyway, we have chatted a lot by email and she appears genuinely interested in me and someone to 'show her around'. For some reason she wants to use KIK before giving me her phone #.
That mode of operation is similar to Skype, I believe. I appreciate the guidance about phones. I am thinking about getting a smart phone through the 'bring your own' feature of a major prepaid carrier we all know. My brainstorm is to exactly duplicate the smartphone I just got for my civi #. A subtle mark will let me know which is which, reducing danger in case of accidental discovery.
HollywoodGuy
08-17-16, 22:45
Whenever I see my best friend (a never married, retired from the game, super monger), he always says to me. "Hey, you seeing anyone lately"? . and if I am, I always say "yeah her name is so-and-so and she is this and that". And then he always says to me, "Yeah, well you know she's crazy. Right" And I'm like how do you know that? . Then he says "Well she's with you, so she must be crazy". No matter how many times we have this exchange I always fall for it. Like charlie brown and the football.
If you are 50 or older and only date like 18-22 year olds, you know why you do it, they know why they are doing it, and everyone is happy. And my friend is maybe the most notorious monger I ever met (and he could afford to be). But to try and explain this to anyone in the civi world, is mostly impossible and probably not a good idea. I'm single, so I don't really have to hide what I do. But my family, some co-workers and a couple friends know, and I would say their overall approval rating of my behavior is rather low (except for the few high fives). But do I give a shit? I moved to hollywood as a kid for good reason. Because nobody here really gives a shit either. Stay thirsty, my friends.
FarFarAway
08-18-16, 00:25
I am getting a little frustrated with really HCP who I message but don't respond. An example is SerenaMadison2016 in Newport Beach. I have hit up 75 of these types unsuccessfully in my couple of months on SA. I likely couldn't manage one like that ongoing, but I would sure like to try her once or twice. HollywoodGuy says you could have anyone on SA for 5/ visit, but I am not so sure about that. But, even if that were so, you have to get them to engage. I can afford and would pay more than that for a bucket-list experience. No different than my trip to the Super Bowl. Anyway, how do I get these girls? I am hoping one of you SDs with more game than me with this class of girl will share some key from your profile or from your initial approach message. I earlier posted about my success by being myself, which is satisfying, and that trying to emulate the HG approach didn't work for me. On the other hand, if there is a trick that could work for SerenaMadison2016 for one or two dates, I would go there.
Another thing I've been thinking about on my profile is the income and net worth. I purposely set these low, to try to avoid vacuous girls or nasty gold-diggers who see only $. I would far prefer nailing someone with whom I have a personal connection and is not there only for a payday. I already know what an escort is. But, as the old saying (to girls) goes, it is just as easy to marry a rich man as a poor one. My real net worth is like 10 X what I list. Perhaps I should put up a new profile with higher numbers as an experiment, or change my old one when I renew my membership (I am sort of dormant now as I have a great SB to support).
HollywoodGuy
08-18-16, 01:57
I am getting a little frustrated with really HCP who I message but don't respond. An example is SerenaMadison2016 in Newport Beach. I have hit up 75 of these types unsuccessfully in my couple of months on SA. I likely couldn't manage one like that ongoing, but I would sure like to try her once or twice. HollywoodGuy says you could have anyone on SA for 5/ visit, but I am not so sure about that. But, even if that were so, you have to get them to engage. I can afford and would pay more than that for a bucket-list experience. No different than my trip to the Super Bowl. Anyway, how do I get these girls? I am hoping one of you SDs with more game than me with this class of girl will share some key from your profile or from your initial approach message. I earlier posted about my success by being myself, which is satisfying, and that trying to emulate the HG approach didn't work for me. On the other hand, if there is a trick that could work for SerenaMadison2016 for one or two dates, I would go there.
Another thing I've been thinking about on my profile is the income and net worth. I purposely set these low, to try to avoid vacuous girls or nasty gold-diggers who see only $. I would far prefer nailing someone with whom I have a personal connection and is not there only for a payday. I already know what an escort is. But, as the old saying (to girls) goes, it is just as easy to marry a rich man as a poor one. My real net worth is like 10 X what I list. Perhaps I should put up a new profile with higher numbers as an experiment, or change my old one when I renew my membership (I am sort of dormant now as I have a great SB to support).I looked at her profile. It's only two days old! In two days she probably got like 100+ messages and a bunch of them were crude, you can be sure. At this point she is lost. Guys are offering her thousands upfront to meet her. Most likely she won't even be on the site in a week. 18 year olds are the toughest to get as a rule. The difference between 18,19 and 20. Is like the difference between middle school, high school and college. You feel me? The only way to get a girl like her would be to pace and then lead her (if you don't know what that means, look it up). Except her profile gives you so little to start with you would have to engage her in some small talk first. Overall this one specific profile is tough.
Christophe1
08-18-16, 02:21
I looked at her profile. It's only two days old! In two days she probably got like 100+ messages and a bunch of them were crude, you can be sure. At this point she is lost. Guys are offering her thousands upfront to meet her. Most likely she won't even be on the site in a week. 18 year olds are the toughest to get as a rule. The difference between 18,19 and 20. Is like the difference between middle school, high school and college. You feel me? The only way to get a girl like her would be to pace and then lead her (if you don't know what that means, look it up). Except her profile gives you so little to start with you would have to engage her in some small talk first. Overall this one specific profile is tough.18 year olds are prizes? I really don't get that. They are like lost human zombies. Ooo, lookie here 💍💎💞🐷
Retard candy. Give me experience.
HollywoodGuy
08-18-16, 03:15
18 year olds are prizes? I really don't get that. They are like lost human zombies. Ooo, lookie here 💍💎💞🐷
Retard candy. Give me experience.Watching the olympics just reinforces my natural desire to coach girls with raw talent. I will admit that 18 is usually a lost cause, 19 and they are on their way, by 20 they either have it or they don't. Anything older than 20 and they should be wifey. LOL. But seriously I have been with some awesome girls, maybe I have to do the training, but then at least I get what I want, the way I want it. And they are doing things they may or may not do in the future. But they have that 'I'll try anything once attitude". A curious girl is a sexy girl. A been there done that girl better be ready for the ride of her life. By 25 they are already prejudiced towards certain people, places and things, that I will have no control over.
Who could blame you! Guess it's time to get the creative juices going. .http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?10455-Sugar-Daddy-Sites&p=3028524&viewfull=1#post3028524
BT.
FarFarAway
08-18-16, 12:13
I think this girl was 26.
I looked at her profile. It's only two days old! In two days she probably got like 100+ messages and a bunch of them were crude, you can be sure. At this point she is lost. Guys are offering her thousands upfront to meet her. Most likely she won't even be on the site in a week. 18 year olds are the toughest to get as a rule. The difference between 18,19 and 20. Is like the difference between middle school, high school and college. You feel me? The only way to get a girl like her would be to pace and then lead her (if you don't know what that means, look it up). Except her profile gives you so little to start with you would have to engage her in some small talk first. Overall this one specific profile is tough.
And my friend is maybe the most notorious monger I ever met (and he could afford to be). But to try and explain this to anyone in the civi world, is mostly impossible and probably not a good idea. I'm single, so I don't really have to hide what I do. But my family, some co-workers and a couple friends know, and I would say their overall approval rating of my behavior is rather low (except for the few high fives). But do I give a shit? I moved to hollywood as a kid for good reason. Because nobody here really gives a shit either. Stay thirsty, my friends.Can I ask why your friend quit? If he has the money, experience in getting women, and a strong drive, what finally made him stop?
Thanks for the info, XBX. And haven't seen on the thread you in a while. I'm around, just being a good boy right now.
Living vicariously through you guys.
HollywoodGuy
08-18-16, 16:44
Another thing I've been thinking about on my profile is the income and net worth. I purposely set these low, to try to avoid vacuous girls or nasty gold-diggers who see only $. I would far prefer nailing someone with whom I have a personal connection and is not there only for a payday. I already know what an escort is. But, as the old saying (to girls) goes, it is just as easy to marry a rich man as a poor one. My real net worth is like 10 X what I list. Perhaps I should put up a new profile with higher numbers as an experiment, or change my old one when I renew my membership (I am sort of dormant now as I have a great SB to support).No girl really cares how much money a guy has, only how much he is willing to spend. So if you want more replies. Just up your expectation amount. Mine is at negotiable. Maybe raise yours to moderate?
So I did my M&G with the 20 year old She really does have model looks and a swimsuit body. More body than looks, but no complaints. She is on a full ride academic scholarship at a PAC-12 school nearby (lives in the dorm). I thought I was dreaming when she walked up to the front door. We had a good 30 minutes to talk before she had to run back to school. Definitely the classiest girl I have met in a while. At a $ a date you have to give up a little class sometimes. But not in this case. And she is only a 15 dollar uber away. I am in no rush to get her to the FC. I don't want to lose this one by moving too fast. I am sure at $$-$$$$ there are lot of awesome college girls to be had on SA. So maybe my luck is changing. It's been a year since I met a keeper. The last two for anyone that reads my posts, were my church girl and my UTR who got pregnant. I been leaning on my ATF for almost two years now, thats a long time.Always an inspiration to us all. Can't wait to hear how it goes with her.
Christophe1
08-19-16, 20:07
Watching the olympics just reinforces my natural desire to coach girls with raw talent. I will admit that 18 is usually a lost cause, 19 and they are on their way, by 20 they either have it or they don't. Anything older than 20 and they should be wifey. LOL. But seriously I have been with some awesome girls, maybe I have to do the training, but then at least I get what I want, the way I want it. And they are doing things they may or may not do in the future. But they have that 'I'll try anything once attitude". A curious girl is a sexy girl. A been there done that girl better be ready for the ride of her life. By 25 they are already prejudiced towards certain people, places and things, that I will have no control over.Thanks brother,
In my minimal amount of decades, I'd rather pay extra to enjoy a great show. All day and night, just give it to me. But, why pay for an idiot, Zombie chick? I go la-la.
La-la???
Eating brains is so yesteryear's calendar.
The old adage is this. There is a sucker born everyday. I pity that sucker.
Peaches and Cream.
Olympics are the most greatest of sporting events. Go Teams.
HollywoodGuy
08-20-16, 03:04
So I did my M&G with the 20 year old She really does have model looks and a swimsuit body. More body than looks, but no complaints. She is on a full ride academic scholarship at a PAC-12 school nearby (lives in the dorm). I thought I was dreaming when she walked up to the front door. We had a good 30 minutes to talk before she had to run back to school. Definitely the classiest girl I have met in a while. At a $ a date you have to give up a little class sometimes. But not in this case. And she is only a 15 dollar uber away. And I'm in no rush to get her to the FC. I don't want to lose this one by moving too fast. At $$-$$$$ there are a lot of awesome college girls to be had on SA. So maybe my luck is changing. It's been a year since I met a keeper. The last two for anyone that reads my posts, were my church girl and my UTR who got pregnant. So far every trip I took to the FC with a new girl this year has been a one time hookup. And I've been leaning on my ATF for almost two years now, thats a long time. But props to my ATF for her loyalty and porn star skills.So I had my first real date with the college girl. It didn't go quite on schedule, as my roommate got home from work before I made it to the FC. So I turned the front porch into the FC, which always puts a little spark into the sex. This girl has a basically perfect body, good natural ability, and open to probably anything. The porch is more of a quick diversion between rounds kinda place. But I didn't really have a choice. So I went for some DATY, then fucked her and she finished me with a decent BJ.
But I kind of have a deal that I don't have sex with anyone when my roommate is home, since she is still sleeping with me for now and hasn't moved into her own room yet. So she got a little jealous and made sure the other girl knew it. Once we were done fucking, she told me to send her home. It was no big deal, the date didn't give two shits, as she got what she came for. Total time, 6 hours, dinner, uber & allowance came to $.5. I am sure I will be seeing her again soon.
The Tall Man
08-20-16, 13:44
So I did my M&G with the 20 year old She really does have model looks and a swimsuit body. More body than looks, but no complaints. She is on a full ride academic scholarship at a PAC-12 school nearby (lives in the dorm). I thought I was dreaming when she walked up to the front door. We had a good 30 minutes to talk before she had to run back to school. Definitely the classiest girl I have met in a while. At a $ a date you have to give up a little class sometimes. But not in this case. And she is only a 15 dollar uber away. And I'm in no rush to get her to the FC. I don't want to lose this one by moving too fast. At $$-$$$$ there are a lot of awesome college girls to be had on SA. So maybe my luck is changing. It's been a year since I met a keeper. The last two for anyone that reads my posts, were my church girl and my UTR who got pregnant. So far every trip I took to the FC with a new girl this year has been a one time hookup. And I've been leaning on my ATF for almost two years now, thats a long time. But props to my ATF for her loyalty and porn star skills.Damn your right, nothing can replace a 20 yo with a body like that. I'm beyond jealous. Any chance if and when your done with her and move onto the next you can hook me up?
TTM.
So I had my first real date with the college girl. It didn't go quite on schedule, as my roommate got home from work before I made it to the FC. So I turned the front porch into the FC, which always puts a little spark into the sex. This girl has a basically perfect body, good natural ability, and open to probably anything. The porch is more of a quick diversion between rounds kinda place. But I didn't really have a choice. So I went for some DATY, then fucked her and she finished me with a decent BJ.
But I kind of have a deal that I don't have sex with anyone when my roommate is home, since she is still sleeping with me for now and hasn't moved into her own room yet. So she got a little jealous and made sure the other girl knew it. Once we were done fucking, she told me to send her home. It was no big deal, the date didn't give two shits, as she got what she came for. Total time, 6 hours, dinner, uber & allowance came to $.5. I am sure I will be seeing her again soon.Living the dream, sir. I've had to scale back my sugaring the last couple of months, so I'll just live vicariously through you for the time being.
HollywoodGuy
08-20-16, 21:32
Well today I was hoping to do an M&G with a really hot little mixed latina close to my house but she got cold feet or IDK what. All I know is she went MIA. About an hour later a different 19 year old latina who I had deleted out of my spreadsheet (for the same reason a week earlier), txts me and says she is bored and will I see her today. Online, all we had ever done was chat about nothing. So I ubered her to DTLA and went and got her as I had an errand to run down there and then we went to Langers for a pastrami sandwich.
She had me convinced that she just wanted to hang out (sans sugar), so I was like well I have 2 more hours worth of errands and shopping to do, so if you want to ride shotgun and pass some time, let's go. After getting everything done we went back to my place where we chatted for a couple of more hours while I did some work. After a while I was sure she was striking some sexy poses (sometimes I am a bit clueless), but I noticed the time and told her I needed to get back to work for real and that I would just call the uber.
Then she looks at me and says "I want to get paid". So I told her no problem, but I only pay a $ for a play date. She said she wasn't really comfortable with taking cold cash and could I take her shopping afterward and just spend the money on some clothes. I was like, well its too late for that now because I have to go back to work. She said ok, and then proceeded to strip. Just at that moment the mailman came and dropped off a package. It was a glass dildo I bought to use on my ATF.
So I asked if she was cool with me using it on her to break it in. She was like yeah, go for it. And then the games began. She had a couple of restrictions (covered and no DFK) but I still managed to find a way to have some fun. Its amazing how a girl will give you a restriction for one thing, but then could care less about something equally or more fun/kinky. All in all it was an experience (the kinky part of her was hot). And her body wasn't perfect like the girl last night, but she was a petite nice girl and did spend about 6 hours with me (one in the FC). Sometimes you just want to hit and run. But sometimes its nice to have some company on a slow day. Lunch, uber and allowance came to $.3... And my roommate was all smiles again this morning after a good nites sleep.
HollywoodGuy
08-21-16, 00:02
Damn your right, nothing can replace a 20 yo with a body like that. I'm beyond jealous. Any chance if and when your done with her and move onto the next you can hook me up?
TTM.That would be difficult. But if I was totally done done with her. I would just post a link to her SA profile. I can't wait to have a real session with her in my room. Most likely later this week. My ATF has been txting me like twice daily and sending sexy messages again since I backed her down. She claims to be looking for a job. I hope she gets one. But the big-time allowances are done for now. And no advances that need to get worked off. Too much pressure. And I do need to find a new go to girl, whether its this 20 year old Or someone else.
JohnnyTheWad
08-21-16, 01:07
Well today I was hoping to do an M&G with a really hot little mixed latina close to my house but she got cold feet or IDK what. All I know is she went MIA. About an hour later a different 19 year old latina who I had deleted out of my spreadsheet (for the same reason a week earlier), txts me and says she is bored and will I see her today. Online, all we had ever done was chat about nothing. So I ubered her to DTLA and went and got her as I had an errand to run down there and then we went to Langers for a pastrami sandwich.
She had me convinced that she just wanted to hang out (sans sugar), so I was like well I have 2 more hours worth of errands and shopping to do, so if you want to ride shotgun and pass some time, let's go. After getting everything done we went back to my place where we chatted for a couple of more hours while I did some work. After a while I was sure she was striking some sexy poses (sometimes I am a bit clueless), but I noticed the time and told her I needed to get back to work for real and that I would just call the uber.
Then she looks at me and says "I want to get paid". So I told her no problem, but I only pay a $ for a play date. She said she wasn't really comfortable with taking cold cash and could I take her shopping afterward and just spend the money on some clothes. I was like, well its too late for that now because I have to go back to work. She said ok, and then proceeded to strip. Just at that moment the mailman came and dropped off a package. It was a glass dildo I bought to use on my ATF.
So I asked if she was cool with me using it on her to break it in. She was like yeah, go for it. And then the games began. She had a couple of restrictions (covered and no DFK) but I still managed to find a way to have some fun. Its amazing how a girl will give you a restriction for one thing, but then could care less about something equally or more fun/kinky. All in all it was an experience (the kinky part of her was hot). And her body wasn't perfect like the girl last night, but she was a petite nice girl and did spend about 6 hours with me (one in the FC). Sometimes you just want to hit and run. But sometimes its nice to have some company on a slow day. Lunch, uber and allowance came to $.3... And my roommate was all smiles again this morning after a good nites sleep.HG,
I continue to be amazed at your exploits. I got to quit procrastinating and get on the SA site LOL.
FarFarAway
08-21-16, 11:00
I am wondering about SD's experience with Jewish babies. I have been messaging with one POT who says her grandmother is Jewish but doesn't really cop to it herself. There isn't really a way to search for that specifically on SA, but are there other tells? If you've had a Jewish baby, was there anything special compared to other girls?
HollywoodGuy
08-21-16, 13:35
HG,
I continue to be amazed at your exploits. I got to quit procrastinating and get on the SA site LOL.When you do. Just take it slow. There is a lot of BS on that site. But if you take your time, you will meet real girls, with realistic expectations and that have minimal drama. Stay away from neighborhoods you are not comfortable in, the teens (unless you can't help yourself), GPS girls, girls that want advances, girls that don't have regular and easy to see pics, girls that send you their phone # before you even ask, obvious UTR's, girls that are not really your type but just seem easy, etc. , etc. , etc.
Pre-screen and pre-qualify them on the site until you feel comfortable enough to move to email, and eventually txting. It might only take a day or two from start to finish. Or it could take weeks. Most will flake online, most will walk away from their profiles. Stick with the new girls to begin with (like maybe a month old at most). There is a learning curve. But over time the girls you date will get better looking and for less money. Unless you just like to trophy fuck, in which case just spend away and get hotties on day one.
Sorry to post this but I'm new to the game. I went and read some FAQs from the Richmond board. Highly informative. I joined SA the other day. I didn't upload a picture and haven't paid for the premium. I'm single but concerned about posting a picture and how it may affect my future SO and also giving any personal info such as credit cards and real name. Is there anyway around these things or should I not bother if I'm concerned about it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
HollywoodGuy
08-21-16, 21:18
Sorry to post this but I'm new to the game. I went and read some FAQs from the Richmond board. Highly informative. I joined SA the other day. I didn't upload a picture and haven't paid for the premium. I'm single but concerned about posting a picture and how it may affect my future SO and also giving any personal info such as credit cards and real name. Is there anyway around these things or should I not bother if I'm concerned about it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.Over paranoia can lead to conspiracy theories which can lead to lost sleep which can totally affect your health and well being. Sounds like maybe you need to take a deep breath or two, do a lot more reading on the richmond thread (like from start to finish). Then maybe PM a couple of the senior members on that board. Especially the one that likes to give the most advice. And then decide if getting a full blown SA membership is right for you. I am only half kidding. But no rush, there are dozens of smoking hot, horny girls in your area signing up daily that can't wait to meet you.
When I was banging the hell out of that latina yesterday, I said to her in a rough voice while I was choking the crap out of her from behind, with her ass up and her head pinned to the pillow, and slightly turned to the side, "you like fucking old guys and taking their money, don't you"? She was smiling from ear to ear.
JohnnyTheWad
08-21-16, 21:50
When you do. Just take it slow. There is a lot of BS on that site. But if you take your time, you will meet real girls, with realistic expectations and that have minimal drama. Stay away from neighborhoods you are not comfortable in, the teens (unless you can't help yourself), GPS girls, girls that want advances, girls that don't have regular and easy to see pics, girls that send you their phone # before you even ask, obvious UTR's, girls that are not really your type but just seem easy, etc. , etc. , etc.
Pre-screen and pre-qualify them on the site until you feel comfortable enough to move to email, and eventually txting. It might only take a day or two from start to finish. Or it could take weeks. Most will flake online, most will walk away from their profiles. Stick with the new girls to begin with (like maybe a month old at most). There is a learning curve. But over time the girls you date will get better looking and for less money. Unless you just like to trophy fuck, in which case just spend away and get hotties on day one.Awesome, thanks for the info HG. I appreciate the tips. JTW.
Sorry to post this but I'm new to the game. I went and read some FAQs from the Richmond board. Highly informative. I joined SA the other day. I didn't upload a picture and haven't paid for the premium. I'm single but concerned about posting a picture and how it may affect my future SO and also giving any personal info such as credit cards and real name. Is there anyway around these things or should I not bother if I'm concerned about it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.Find a picture that is very very similar to how you look, then blur it out. Once the young lady texts you a few pics, then send her some real ones. I'd say use a Visa giftcard but I hear SA is having problems with that. I have a pretty full stable at the moment so I'll not be on SA for a while to verify. I hope they get that fixed soon.
BigTigg.
Find a picture that is very very similar to how you look, then blur it out. Once the young lady texts you a few pics, then send her some real ones. I'd say use a Visa giftcard but I hear SA is having problems with that. I have a pretty full stable at the moment so I'll not be on SA for a while to verify. I hope they get that fixed soon.
BigTigg.Thanks for all the help and advice.
Pre-screen and pre-qualify them on the site until you feel comfortable enough to move to email, and eventually txting. It might only take a day or two from start to finish. Or it could take weeks. Most will flake online, most will walk away from their profiles. Stick with the new girls to begin with (like maybe a month old at most). There is a learning curve. But over time the girls you date will get better looking and for less money. Unless you just like to trophy fuck, in which case just spend away and get hotties on day one.As always excellent advice. I follow this and have been very successful. I do have a question, how do you sort out the ones that are new to the site?
Large.
FarFarAway
08-22-16, 11:10
As always excellent advice. I follow this and have been very successful. I do have a question, how do you sort out the ones that are new to the site?
Large.You can sort a search based on newest, and then you can also look at each profile and see when exactly they signed up (provided they haven't gone for the premium membership themselves and elected to hide that info).
HollywoodGuy
08-22-16, 11:56
Here is a good example of the pendulum swinging both ways.
23 - Boriquamammi.
I sent her my intro message and all she did was reply with her phone #. I googled it and got a couple of escort ads.
http://backpage.com.losangeles.hoxnif.com/post/17481094/
27 - Slim_gem.
I sent her my intro message and she said her GF found the perfect SD, and that's what she wants too (meaning maybe 3 k a month). And more of a BF type relationship.
Both are attractive girls no one would kick out of the FC. You have to find your own sweet spot. At least they were both quick to let me know what they were about and no time wasted. I politely responded to the NP that I wasn't what she was looking for and the other I just deleted. She is probably sending her # to 50 guys a day. But depending on my mood I could reply with my $ offer. A sexy UTR/pro is well worth a $ a visit.
HollywoodGuy
08-22-16, 12:01
As always excellent advice. I follow this and have been very successful. I do have a question, how do you sort out the ones that are new to the site?
Large.Large volumes of messaging will do the trick. Eventually it will become clear to you who will make it on to your radar and who won't.
Sorry to post this but I'm new to the game. I went and read some FAQs from the Richmond board. Highly informative. I joined SA the other day. I didn't upload a picture and haven't paid for the premium. I'm single but concerned about posting a picture and how it may affect my future SO and also giving any personal info such as credit cards and real name. Is there anyway around these things or should I not bother if I'm concerned about it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.I used a photo of mine where I was nicely dressed, but my face was obscured. It showed that I wasn't a slob and wasn't morbidly obese. I also hadn't posted that picture anywhere, so it couldn't be reverse image searched via google or tineye.
I had a collection of clearer photos ready to share with prospective babies, also never posted anywhere online. If you're paranoid about them somehow being traced, a simple horizontal flip of the photo should eliminate any possibility of reverse image searching. It's amazing to me how many girls don't protect themselves with simple measures like that.
When I was banging the hell out of that latina yesterday, I said to her in a rough voice while I was choking the crap out of her from behind, with her ass up and her head pinned to the pillow, and slightly turned to the side, "you like fucking old guys and taking their money, don't you"? She was smiling from ear to ear.Post of the month, and worthy of a second look!
Cheers HG,
I used a photo of someone that looks somewhat like me. They had sun glasses on in the picture, so not much of the face shows anyways. I would follow up with a real photo of me once communication was established.
Noone ever said anything.
I hope the 20 year old from Friday gets back to me. I haven't heard a word from her since. This girl has some of the best legs and prettiest feet (hidden by shoes, but really nice), that I have seen in a while. And she was so tight I could barely get it in (and that was lubed and bare). Maybe in a more natural setting she will loosen up a bit.Incredible!
HollywoodGuy
08-23-16, 20:06
Madisonbabyx. Awesome profile if its real and you can afford it.
SeaTownGuy
08-23-16, 21:22
Madisonbabyx. Awesome profile if its real and you can afford it.She on SA?
HollywoodGuy
08-23-16, 22:59
She on SA?Yes. All girls I meet are on SA.
FarFarAway
08-24-16, 11:39
M&G with a local college senior this morning. Tiny, tiny. Like under 5 feet, maybe 80# dripping wet. Pretty, smart, pleasant, but in private I suggested I might break her in half. She claims she has had a good-sized BF, though he did need to 'go slow'. Next.
FarFarAway
08-24-16, 11:51
As some others have suggested, I decided to set up a SD FB page. I used the same photo I have on SA, and used my burner # to set up the account. I was *really* surprised upon starting up the page to have a friend suggested. It was a girl I recognized from SA, I had messaged with her and given her both my phone and email. We never set up the M&G, though. I didn't friend her but looked at what I could see on her page, which said she had a BF for several years (harlot! LOL), and undoubtedly it was the girl I recalled from SA. How in the world FB connected us is a real shocker. I presume it was through her end, b / c I am super, super careful about this stuff. However, there is a lesson here. These social media sites (FB, IG, LI) seem to do slimy things. Look into your email to get contacts, etc. LinkedIn specifically was doing this to me in civi life, and as a result I quit it.
As a precaution against unintended poaching of this type, which could reveal your identity to SBs or your activities to a SO, I recommend the following.
1. Quit all of your conventional civi communicating apps before commencing sugar activities online.
2. Use safer encrypted / onioned browsers like Tor for logging into sugar sites, posting on *this* site, and emailing from a secure, encrypted email service.
3. Use VPNs or proxy servers if you are really paranoid.
M&G with a local college senior this morning. Tiny, tiny. Like under 5 feet, maybe 80# dripping wet. Pretty, smart, pleasant, but in private I suggested I might break her in half. She claims she has had a good-sized BF, though he did need to 'go slow'. Next.Is this the girl from Long Beach who says she likes hockey and guitar in her profile?
FarFarAway
08-25-16, 00:34
Is this the girl from Long Beach who says she likes hockey and guitar in her profile?Nope, a v-girl, not a very enticing profile, but cuter in person.
HollywoodGuy
08-25-16, 22:37
Well the 20 year old finally txted me back. She said she has just been busy. I definitely need another date with her under better circumstances. Seems my roommate is finally going to buy a bed, so I won't have to kick my dates out by 9 pm anymore. And I have a M&G coming up with this college cutie I been emailing. Pictured (19).
SeaTownGuy
08-26-16, 00:27
Started emailing on SA. One of my first replies was "I'm not a hooker!" from my "Hello, how is your day going?" and she disappeared. It got better after that. Lots of very friendly ladies.
JohnnyTheWad
08-26-16, 00:28
Well the 20 year old finally txted me back. She said she has just been busy. I definitely need another date with her under better circumstances. Seems my roommate is finally going to buy a bed, so I won't have to kick my dates out by 9 pm anymore. And I have a M&G coming up with this college cutie I been emailing. Pictured (19).HG, you probably have no idea how jealous you make me LOL. That is one fine looking ass. Hhhmmm.
HollywoodGuy
08-27-16, 13:50
HG, you probably have no idea how jealous you make me LOL. That is one fine looking ass. Hhhmmm.Something I never am. Just remember there really is more than enough to go around. It's just putting in the work. And outside of my job I have no life, so its the reason I have the time. My only other hobby is working on my house. So even if I do work 60 hours a week, I have the time to chat with girls online without it interfering with anything else. Being single helps. And strangely being on a budget helps too. It forces me to seek out affordable solutions. If I was just spending big money there would be no work involved (as everyone has their price). And as far as the quality of the girls, I am pretty hyper focused on my demographic. So at this point I can say I am in their head. Similar to maybe christophe1 and his asians.
HollywoodGuy
08-28-16, 04:40
Another beautiful day in LA. And aren't most of them? I mean that's why we live here. Right? So for all of you out of towners, I hope the sun is shining and the sugar is pouring. This morning I had 3 POTS txt me plus the 20 year old from last Friday. The 20 year old, I told her tomorrow. Today I wanted to meet a POT. My roommate had her day off today and I usually spend it with her. But we had a turning point in our relationship last night. She came home unexpectedly when I was fucking my ATF. My good fortune we were in between rounds and so it was not that big a deal. She just came home unannounced, took a quick shower and went out. But when she came home later she went to bed in her own room for the first time ever.
But back to today. Three POTS txted this morning, (all young & all spinners), one went MIA, one agreed to come over about 4 pm, and the third one didn't txt me back till 7 pm. Too bad for her, as the 4 pm girl was already here. But since we hadn't even discussed the sugar prior to meeting (a must with me). And since she was in transit anyway, I figured I would just see her for an hour and then schedule the real date for later. But when she came over, we were in each others arms within minutes. She ended up staying for 8 hours (5 of it in the FC). We actually did things I had never done before, bucket list moves I would never have expected from an 18 year old.
And this girl was awesome if you like runway model types. She was 6 foot and 125 and perfectly proportioned. I haven't done 5 hours with anyone in a very long time. And I told her not to expect it going forward. There is such a thing as overdoing it. One of the downsides to this hobby. You can easily get too much of a good thing. Whether its from one very athletic girl or three in one day. We always have that option. At this moment idk how I am even going to see the 20 year old tomorrow.
My roommate just shut herself in her room and sulked (I imagine). But too bad, I was so tired of dating around her schedule. And thanks to uber giving me 10 dollars off per ride for a few days, the total damage today was $.4 including dinner. And she said she was cool with the $ going forward. This is a zero drama, 4 point GPA, student athlete. Some days you just get lucky.
HollywoodGuy
08-28-16, 14:18
I canceled (flaked?) on my 20 year old today. The old me would have never done that. Sometimes you just have to know when to say no.
Chrissygorgeous ... she is down to meet ... I have no other info, I see her on the site daily. Never met her, not going to. Messaged briefly.
JohnnyTheWad
08-28-16, 19:26
Something I never am. Just remember there really is more than enough to go around. It's just putting in the work. And outside of my job I have no life, so its the reason I have the time. My only other hobby is working on my house. So even if I do work 60 hours a week, I have the time to chat with girls online without it interfering with anything else. Being single helps. And strangely being on a budget helps too. It forces me to seek out affordable solutions. If I was just spending big money there would be no work involved (as everyone has their price). And as far as the quality of the girls, I am pretty hyper focused on my demographic. So at this point I can say I am in their head. Similar to maybe christophe1 and his asians.Sounds like a good deal to me, all but the budget anyway. I work a part time job just to have monger money LOL. Thanks for the input and be safe. JTW.
EnjoyYourself
09-02-16, 13:51
I used to use the onevanilla debit cards to sign up for SA but lately they seem to get rejected. It doesn't even work if I use them in conjunction with PP (you can sign up with PP without being a member and just use a debit card). But that no longer works now either. I don't want to sign up if I have to use my actual credit card. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to pay for SA without providing any personal info? Thanks.
FarFarAway
09-02-16, 23:16
I used to use the onevanilla debit cards to sign up for SA but lately they seem to get rejected. It doesn't even work if I use them in conjunction with PP (you can sign up with PP without being a member and just use a debit card). But that no longer works now either. I don't want to sign up if I have to use my actual credit card. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to pay for SA without providing any personal info? Thanks.This has been an ongoing issue. One guy has said that he just calls customer service and gives them the card # and it goes through. I asked him. Where did you get that #? I can't find anything on the site- his reply was that at the time the charge is declined, a phone # comes up that says if you have problems call this #, and he called. I wondered if it was international and if that created problem with a burner, but never got a reply.
John HandCock
09-04-16, 07:59
I used to use the onevanilla debit cards to sign up for SA but lately they seem to get rejected. It doesn't even work if I use them in conjunction with PP (you can sign up with PP without being a member and just use a debit card). But that no longer works now either. I don't want to sign up if I have to use my actual credit card. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to pay for SA without providing any personal info? Thanks.Mail them a money order if you don't want to use s card.
HollywoodGuy
09-04-16, 13:00
Mail them a money order if you don't want to use s card.I have done this myself just to avoid a possible unauthorized auto-renew. As it was an issue at SD4M in the past. SA does not seem to have that issue though.
EnjoyYourself
09-04-16, 15:06
Mail them a money order if you don't want to use s card.I thought about that, but apparently they no longer accept payments by mail. Here is the answer from their faq in regards to that issue:
"Can I send a payment by mail?
Notice: Payments by mail will no longer be accepted after February 28,2016. Any form of payment that is sent via mail will be sent back to the return address without an upgrade to the user's account.
We understand that some of our customers prefer payments by mail either because they desire discretion or aren't comfortable using a personal credit card online. We apologize that we had to make this change, however, there are still other options available:
Prepaid Visa or Mastercard: These function like gift cards and can be purchased at most major retailers with cash or credit cards.
Paypal: Paypal allows its users to load accounts from certain participating retailers with cash or credit cards. Simply click "Add Money" on your Paypal dashboard, then "Add Money at a Store" near the bottom and follow the instructions. ".
I guess I'll just wait for them to figure out how people can pay for memberships anonymously again. What's funny is that my prepaid vanilla cards seem to work online with every other place, EXCEPT SA.
John HandCock
09-04-16, 15:55
I have done this myself just to avoid a possible unauthorized auto-renew. As it was an issue at SD4M in the past. SA does not seem to have that issue though.Sd4 me is automatic renew. Takes an act of god to get released from them if you use a regular cc. SA has never auto renewed mine.
FarFarAway
09-06-16, 15:54
A number of profiles of young ones say they are into this, which I find means electronic dance music. This is another term for rave, and given the bad publicity these have for overdoses, is a SB saying she is into EDM code for recreational drug use? If so, I am staying away.
A number of profiles of young ones say they are into this, which I find means electronic dance music. This is another term for rave, and given the bad publicity these have for overdoses, is a SB saying she is into EDM code for recreational drug use? If so, I am staying away.Ten years ago, EDM might have meant rave and therefore MDMA / molly / ecstasy. These days it really just means electronic dance music and doesn't necessarily have drug implications. Plenty of people just get drunk the old fashioned way and dance the night away to EDM (any club you go to these days is going to play EDM or hip hop). I know tons of people who love EDM and don't do any drugs, besides pot and booze.
That being said, if you're interested in a girl and she lists EDM as a musical favorite, I don't think it hurts to ask if they've done molly at some point in the conversation.
So I got thrown for a loop when talking with a friend of mine said that he would check IDs of 18/19 years olds because of the "strict liability"even if they were on a site that was designed for 18+, if they're not you're still liable. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2007/08/but-her-profile-said-she-was-18-jail-cell-judge-rules/.
So I found a great 19 year old, she's always claimed she's 19. My understanding in like the Chris Hansen videos, the girls definitely say they're underage. Again after reading other law blogs, the question comes down to "any reasonable person would have known she was a minor".
Plus I live on the border and I always wonder how the Mann act goes into effect for simply crossing a river.
How have you guys gotten around this issue?
Please feel to PM me for more details and thoughts.
J.
FarFarAway
09-08-16, 00:00
I'd judge it girl by girl. I can't tell the girl's ages within 10 years, and thankfully they can't either, so I can claim to be 56 ('oh, I've always looked young') when I am bald and 61 (a number that scares even me). I was negotiating by text with a POT and she was such a flake I suddenly had a moment of fear she might be underage. I asked her about it and she assured me she was 20, but I asked her if she would show me the birthdate (nothing else required) on her drivers license. She said she would be happy to do that once the sugar was in her hand. LOL.
So I got thrown for a loop when talking with a friend of mine said that he would check IDs of 18/19 years olds because of the "strict liability"even if they were on a site that was designed for 18+, if they're not you're still liable. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2007/08/but-her-profile-said-she-was-18-jail-cell-judge-rules/.
So I found a great 19 year old, she's always claimed she's 19. My understanding in like the Chris Hansen videos, the girls definitely say they're underage. Again after reading other law blogs, the question comes down to "any reasonable person would have known she was a minor".
Plus I live on the border and I always wonder how the Mann act goes into effect for simply crossing a river.
How have you guys gotten around this issue?
Please feel to PM me for more details and thoughts.
J.
HollywoodGuy
09-08-16, 03:06
So I got thrown for a loop when talking with a friend of mine said that he would check IDs of 18/19 years olds because of the "strict liability"even if they were on a site that was designed for 18+, if they're not you're still liable. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2007/08/but-her-profile-said-she-was-18-jail-cell-judge-rules/.
So I found a great 19 year old, she's always claimed she's 19. My understanding in like the Chris Hansen videos, the girls definitely say they're underage. Again after reading other law blogs, the question comes down to "any reasonable person would have known she was a minor".
Plus I live on the border and I always wonder how the Mann act goes into effect for simply crossing a river.
How have you guys gotten around this issue?
Please feel to PM me for more details and thoughts.
J.I am not deleting anyones post, BUT. Admin has requested that these types of issues not be discussed here. While this is sort of borderline (and maybe not even crossing the line), it's best that we just stay away from it completely. And like I said, this is coming from the site admin. So lets move on. Thanks.
HollywoodGuy
09-10-16, 02:47
I mighta over did it today. You know how sometimes after the deed is done, you're like, omg, I am so wasted. But then the next day you're already making another date. That's how I feel right now. Like I could last till Sunday. But we"ll see what happens tomorrow. I did my ATF this afternoon and then saw my new freshman later this evening. I'll post a pic of her soon (all 6 feet of her), even if I stop seeing her. It was only date three, and I could say she is already in over her head. That's the downside to sugaring. I faded on my last freshman. But she did have a bit of experience so I knew it wouldn't be a big deal. She txted a couple of times and then just stopped.
PackerDonger
09-10-16, 07:06
No Big Deal. WTF ya geezer!
Ten years ago, EDM might have meant rave and therefore MDMA / molly / ecstasy. These days it really just means electronic dance music and doesn't necessarily have drug implications. Plenty of people just get drunk the old fashioned way and dance the night away to EDM (any club you go to these days is going to play EDM or hip hop). I know tons of people who love EDM and don't do any drugs, besides pot and booze.
That being said, if you're interested in a girl and she lists EDM as a musical favorite, I don't think it hurts to ask if they've done molly at some point in the conversation.
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