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Bon Denver
08-29-11, 16:50
Since the recent raid of My1501 and other local busts have become such a huge discussion among some members here and has been clogging up our forum for several weeks ongoing now and and many have requested we stop or take it to a new thread, I started this one.
Those interested can continue the discussion here and I'm certain My1501 won't be the last so now interested parties can come here to discuss recent busts, news articles/events, etc in relation to our hobby
*Dear Jackson, if this category name is not a good one, please feel free to edit mine. Thanks in advance!
Since the recent raid of My1501 and other local busts have become such a huge discussion among some members here and has been clogging up our forum for several weeks ongoing now and and many have requested we stop or take it to a new thread, I started this one. Those interested can continue the discussion here and I'm certain My1501 won't be the last so now interested parties can come here to discuss recent busts, news articles/events, etc in relation to our hobby. Thanks in advance!I like it just fine: really the "busts / stings / raids / legal_issues" forum should be a regular category for every city; or better still: one NATIONWIDE forum on the "Forum's\Front_Page" As some other boards do for info about l' e' o's op's anywhere in the nation! There especially needs to be some way to educate our fellow hobbyists about what the legal definitions & legal differences are between accusation\allegation, & evidence\"proof" when it comes to both arrests_&_charges against hobbyists or providers, or to l' e' o's conduct of undercover arrests!
This is a much better place to get up to speed on these three particulars that needed a separate heading. I am glad this opened up because I have had questions in the past that fell into this area. While I never visited 1501 I would think a simple denial of ever being present would stop any further questions from LEO. I have not known anyone to be questioned about being with a provider after leaving left the scene and the trail is cold.
WR
Bon Denver
08-30-11, 17:07
Looking at the document more closely, I do have a couple of questions that some of you may be able to answer.
1. The top-left hand corner contains a date and time reference for the creation of the report. That is standard information for law enforcement documents. The date and time reference is reflected using a 24-hour clock: also stand practice. Why then does the date and time references in the body of the report appear in 12-hour clock format?
2. The document itself appears to have been folded, crinkled or crumpled in some manner. I mentioned this earlier because it would not be consistent with a document maintained in a public record for review. The text on the document, however, appears to "FLOAT" above the page. If you look along the left-hand margin, the border of the text is nearly surveyor-line straight despite the appearance of wrinkles along the left side of the page. I could be wrong about this, so I wondered if anyone else is seeing this on their computer rendition of the document.
3. Finally, as Golfcart points out, this is apparently a portion of a report. The problem, among others, is that the document itself contains no address, law enforcement subdivision or contact information along its caption at the top. If it is a legitimate police report, this would be the first such police report compiled in this fashion that I have ever seen.
Again, John, if this information proves accurate you will hear nothing other than a formal apology. I am, respectfully, not persuaded at this point. I will confirm and offer you the appropriate response once I am satisfied either way.I have a police report right in front of me (not for 1501 but on another case). The "run" time is in 24 hr time at the top of the page and then time in the content of the report is on a 12 hr clock just as this copy is so apparently that is standard for a police report. Thus John's copy could be legit.
Additionally the paper is crumpled probably because he obtained a copy and then he folded it and put it in his pocket, because he probably didn't know he was going to be asked to scan it and show it to you on this site. This to me, makes it seem more like a legit copy. If I was going to,"alter" a copy by retyping it and posting it on here, it wouldn't be crumpled. Now fellows as you can see by the repeated requests on here from members, we are being asked to move this to a thread. I have created a thread that shows near the bottom of live threads on the home page. It is tltled "Legal Discussions". Join me down there from now on, will you?
Johnballgame
08-30-11, 18:09
I have a police report right in front of me (not for 1501 but on another case). The "run" time is in 24 hr time at the top of the page and then time in the content of the report is on a 12 hr clock just as this copy is so apparently that is standard for a police report. Thus John's copy could be legit.
Additionally the paper is crumpled probably because he obtained a copy and then he folded it and put it in his pocket, because he probably didn't know he was going to be asked to scan it and show it to you on this site. This to me, makes it seem more like a legit copy. If I was going to,"alter" a copy by retyping it and posting it on here, it wouldn't be crumpled. Now fellows as you can see by the repeated requests on here from members, we are being asked to move this to a thread. I have created a thread that shows near the bottom of live threads on the home page. It is tltled "Legal Discussions". Join me down there from now on, will you?I can promise this document was obtained from and written by jeffersonville and indy police on what happened during the session, legal you really need to man / woman up and accept some people knew more than you and your informants werent totally truthful. As far as wrinkled paper, yes it has been folded for a week sitting in a bowl at my house, didn't think I would have to defend the truth on here, but after being called out and pretty much called a liar, I opened it and scanned it just to shut legal up. But if you go back, my whole reason I brought this up wasnt to have a debate on what happened, it was to ask lawyers / or people who know more than I do, can this officer legally due this and can he be held responsible for his actions? I can't believe an officer can legally due this without any consequences and if he can legally, I want to know morally / ethically what does his superiors, community, family think about his actions? I thought years ago the officers in lmpd were given reprimands and suspensions for theses same actions, anyone with info or opinion, I would like to hear.
Legal Eagle
08-31-11, 03:57
Thanks for your response, Jim. The comparison with the other report in your possession is definitely helpful. It explains several of what appeared to be logical discrepancies in the report. The complete original report should answer any remaining questions. It should also confirm the information reflected in the computer and video records seized during the police investigation. This is the only source which reflects all the relevant information upon which to form an objective opinion about this case.
As for the other "gentleman" participating in this discussion, you indicated that you and I had nothing further to discuss. You're correct about at least one fact.
John, I think your best positioning in getting a bad officer off the force is to have someone go to IA. There are reasons officers can break the law. How would a speeder ever be caught if an officer didn't break the speed limit? Lets say an officer reports he went 100mph to catch up to a speeder to pull them over. That might sound like the officer had a necessity to to 100 until someone reported to IA that they witnessed the pursuit in a school zone marked 25mph and the speeder was doing about 30mph. So there was no necessity to do 100mph. As far as AI is concerned the officer has a duty to perform work properly. He / she should not be negligent in their actions. In this case can it be proven that the officer was in full control and was directly responsible for a bad act. While being arrested did the suspect become victimized by the arresting officer. Would any other officer do the same to enforce the law if they were making an arrest? IA will work the case by looking at these areas and it may result in the officer facing charges. At that time the media may take interest on behalf of the community. Out community does want fair and accurate enforcement.
WR
I have no stake in the 1501 situation or debate, but I read and I don't understand why anyone with an official document they thought important to prove a point would post only a part of a page and not the entire page, and in the situation of a multi-page document why they would not post all the pages.
The point they make in the part they post could be undermined by what appears in the remainder they do not post.
Illustration:
Page 1, last line of a police report, at the bottom of the page:
"The defendant admitted firing his weapon at the decedent"
(continued to the top of page 2)
"in self defense."
Maybe I'm the only one troubled by this.
Illustration:
Page 1, last line of a police report, at the bottom of the page:
"The defendant admitted firing his weapon at the decedent"
(continued to the top of page 2)
"in self defense."
Maybe I'm the only one troubled by this.And here I didn't even realize that LE had to use deadly force to bring these five criminals to justice. LOL.
Just kiddding of course; good point on the illustration, as usual there Golfcart.
To the point of posting only pg 1 of a multi page report, maybe the poster was attempting to protect the identifty of his source that provided the report, or some other reason for not posting more than what was seen by his scan. Just a thought, but I suppose the jbg can clear that up, rather me or others speculating on it.
Johnballgame
08-31-11, 16:10
And here I didn't even realize that LE had to use deadly force to bring these five criminals to justice. LOL.
Just kiddding of course; good point on the illustration, as usual there Golfcart.
To the point of posting only pg 1 of a multi page report, maybe the poster was attempting to protect the identifty of his source that provided the report, or some other reason for not posting more than what was seen by his scan. Just a thought, but I suppose the jbg can clear that up, rather me or others speculating on it.I posted that because the debate was with another person on here saying these leo did not do anything sexual, that report clearly states they were touched, thats all this was about for me, not anything to do with legal / illegal, my point was to show they engadged in physical contact and happy ending and to what point can leo cross the line.
There seems to be a lot of emotion on the board about the 1501 bust at several levels. The initial posts focused on the possibility that client lists had fallen into police hands, a natural concern. I read opinions stating that as a fact with no apparent way the posters had to know what they were talking about. This was followed by posts stating as fact the police were jacked off to completion during the bust but I didn't read of a poster claiming to be in the room at the time to see and know. So basically we are reading about weapons of mass destruction being stored in Iraq all over again.
It seems the posters don't know any more about this than I do and I don't go to massage parlors.
The only intelligence I saw in any of this was one or two wanting to know if the jack-off circumstance, if it occurred, would kill the court case against the girl. That's a very good question. I'm surprised the guys who weren't in the room but know what happened didn't post the answer.
Round 3 was when the top half of Page 1 of a police document of some sort was offered as the smoking gun that yes, the officer was jacked off to completion; it says so right here in the top half of Page 1. I was troubled the poster did not give me and the rest of us the opportunity to read the bottom half of the page or the other pages that followed if there were any. This was probably withheld for our own good. I like it when people look out for me.
So adding this all up everything seemed to be a lot of posting by people emotionally invested in the problem with nothing of substance to back up anything they had to say.
About the police nailing a massage girl for jacking a guy off in a massage parlor assuming that really happened, which isn't hard to believe happened since that seems to be why guys go there instead of the chiropractor – A former customer playing ball with the police to get out of a DWI who sets her up can probably get jacked off and not cause a problem with the bust or himself and the charge against her will be good. An undercover police officer cannot. He will violate department regulations and face discipline if she is believed. Regardless how that comes out, that does not mean she cannot be prosecuted and convicted. She'll be convicted if the judge or jury convicts her based upon what she did the seconds before the happy ending happened, which is enough. It's also possible the judge or the jury could be shocked by a police officer letting things get to this stage and refuse to convict. It's exactly that reason an undercover police officer doesn't usually let things get out of hand unless, of course, he is using his badge to hobby which happens. At the end of the day it is he said she said. It's hard to know the truth what really happened there. The girls will probably plead so that bridge is not likely to be crossed.
I don't usually rant but the directions this subject went got to me.
Bon Denver
09-01-11, 00:10
There seems to be a lot of emotion on the board about the 1501 bust at several levels. The initial posts focused on the possibility that client lists had fallen into police hands, a natural concern. I read opinions stating that as a fact with no apparent way the posters had to know what they were talking about. This was followed by posts stating as fact the police were jacked off to completion during the bust but I didn't read of a poster claiming to be in the room at the time to see and know. So basically we are reading about weapons of mass destruction being stored in Iraq all over again.
It seems the posters don't know any more about this than I do and I don't go to massage parlors.
The only intelligence I saw in any of this was one or two wanting to know if the jack-off circumstance, if it occurred, would kill the court case against the girl. That's a very good question. I'm surprised the guys who weren't in the room but know what happened didn't post the answer.
Round 3 was when the top half of Page 1 of a police document of some sort was offered as the smoking gun that yes, the officer was jacked off to completion; it says so right here in the top half of Page 1. I was troubled the poster did not give me and the rest of us the opportunity to read the bottom half of the page or the other pages that followed if there were any. This was probably withheld for our own good. I like it when people look out for me.
So adding this all up everything seemed to be a lot of posting by people emotionally invested in the problem with nothing of substance to back up anything they had to say.
About the police nailing a massage girl for jacking a guy off in a massage parlor assuming that really happened, which isn't hard to believe happened since that seems to be why guys go there instead of the chiropractor – A former customer playing ball with the police to get out of a DWI who sets her up can probably get jacked off and not cause a problem with the bust or himself and the charge against her will be good. An undercover police officer cannot. He will violate department regulations and face discipline if she is believed. Regardless how that comes out, that does not mean she cannot be prosecuted and convicted. She'll be convicted if the judge or jury convicts her based upon what she did the seconds before the happy ending happened, which is enough. It's also possible the judge or the jury could be shocked by a police officer letting things get to this stage and refuse to convict. It's exactly that reason an undercover police officer doesn't usually let things get out of hand unless, of course, he is using his badge to hobby which happens. At the end of the day it is he said she said. It's hard to know the truth what really happened there. The girls will probably plead so that bridge is not likely to be crossed.
I don't usually rant but the directions this subject went got to me.If the police report IS indeed legit then the officer ADMITTED to "completion" in his own writting. And if there IS video from each individual room, which I suspect there was regardless of what is "claimed" on here by someone who isn't "directly" involved (his words) then I'd say there could be an issue in the courtroom with LE and time will tell. This "talk" without proof on the subject of 1501 is no different than all the other claims made on here about the girls all over the city blowing, doing this, doing that. None of it comes with proof, it's all just a bunch of bullshit jibber jabber, locker room talk from drunk-asses who get on here after getting home from the bar or smoking some weed. No one has EVER been asked to PROVE anything he claims until now.
If the police report IS indeed legit then the officer ADMITTED to "completion" in his own writting.I don't read the words "to completion" anywhere in that report. One would assume that the activities were to completion, but I don't think that assumptions will lead to a convictions in this case. The report clearly states that the U / C was masterbated by both girls and that they must have treated him right in order to receive the $ each, as that was the offering and agreement.
Based on the fact that the two girls agreed to waive their rights and talk, in exchange for some deal, as is clearly implied, I would doubt that this ever gets to the point of a trial involving these specific events eluded to in this letter. The evidence will come down to the two or more girls rolling over in testimony against the biz owners and clients. This case will be largely about massive political capital gained by the prosecutor via the headlines and conviction count (most via pleadings) that this case will continue to yield. I think in chess it is referred to as "Checkmate".
Legal Eagle
09-01-11, 12:47
First things first: The document provided to all of us for review is an accurate portion of a larger, multi-page report submitted by law enforcement in the My1501 case. It was not initially included in the public record of the case (for any of the defendants,) but was provided to defense counsel shortly after court appearances were scheduled. JBG did provide an accurate portion of a more detailed report. While I don't apologize for questioning the legitimacy of the partial document (several commentators here in the forum did as well,) I do apologize for questioning the accuracy of JBG's source. The document is verifiable and the portion submitted an accurate reflection of what appears to be documentation prepared by law enforcement.
The former employees charged in the case did initially deny wrongdoing. This is not unusual in criminal cases, of course. These denials were not limited to those in law enforcement, however. This is the reason my sources indicated that there were no assertions of sexual conduct made by anyone publicly. That was true at the time this information was provided, but changed once preliminary information requests were made and negotiations began. I can only assume that the initial and out-of-court denials were upon advice of counsel. The better approach would have been for the defendants simply not to say anything to anyone outside of court, law enforcement or counsel so that nothing could come back to challenge the veracity of the those defendants making statements to LEO. This notwithstanding, the alleged sexual conduct will soon be made public should settlement negotiations break down.
Should any of these cases proceed to trial preparation, what will also become public record is the computer spreadsheet information reflecting the "who did what to whom" information. Defense counsel may already be in possession of this information. This information is also verifiable, and may be accessed once the completed case summaries are disclosed in discovery (that may, for reasons of privacy, be the only way to obtain them at this stage of the litigation.)
Finally, media reports surrounding the client list information appear to be correct. The case summary notes that documentation identifying visitors to the location was obtained during the search. I cannot confirm from the report alone the content of the video feed described in media reports, however. My sources indicate that the video feed captured more than just the common areas of the Indiana location. Rather than repeat what I stated earlier, I'll wait to observe the portions of the feed once those are released.
Legal Eagle
09-05-11, 14:30
September 8th should prove to be an interesting day. Those of you paying attention will understand the relevance of this date. A deal is in the works, and "specifics" are supposed to be made public on or around the scheduled appearance. LEO is creeping further up the food chain-way up, and a decision is coming in the next couple of weeks that will determine whether that "other shoe" we've been waiting for will drop.
Several of you have commented and asked questions about the "shift" that took place, noticeably so. You're not the only ones that noticed. Recall that "A rolling stone gathers no moss." It doesn't garner criminal charges either. If this reads like a horoscope, consider why and control your activities accordingly.
Member #3986
09-06-11, 20:17
September 8th should prove to be an interesting day. Those of you paying attention will understand the relevance of this date. A deal is in the works, and "specifics" are supposed to be made public on or around the scheduled appearance. LEO is creeping further up the food chain-way up, and a decision is coming in the next couple of weeks that will determine whether that "other shoe" we've been waiting for will drop.
Several of you have commented and asked questions about the "shift" that took place, noticeably so. You're not the only ones that noticed. Recall that "A rolling stone gathers no moss." It doesn't garner criminal charges either. If this reads like a horoscope, consider why and control your activities accordingly.Please translate into normal speak. I feel like I'm trying to read some sort of message in encrypted code. And what's the relevance of 9/8?
September 8th should prove to be an interesting day. Those of you paying attention will understand the relevance of this date. A deal is in the works, and "specifics" are supposed to be made public on or around the scheduled appearance. LEO is creeping further up the food chain-way up, and a decision is coming in the next couple of weeks that will determine whether that "other shoe" we've been waiting for will drop.
Several of you have commented and asked questions about the "shift" that took place, noticeably so. You're not the only ones that noticed. Recall that "A rolling stone gathers no moss." It doesn't garner criminal charges either. If this reads like a horoscope, consider why and control your activities accordingly.Could you please translate this please? What is happening on Sept. 8th? Or might be happening? What deal is in the works? What specifics are going to be made public? What other shoe are you talking about that might drop? What shift took place?
Can you please decipher this for me?
Thanks
Please translate into normal speak. I feel like I'm trying to read some sort of message in encrypted code. And what's the relevance of 9/8?My calendar says it is now the 7th, so you shouldn't have to wait long to learn the answers you seek. Nothing more is going to be said on the sketchy details at this time, for good reason. Kind of like you are scheduled to have a business meeting two days from now Crunk, and if I press you for what will be said and decided in that meeting, how can you tell me since the meeting has yet to take place. I guess I would have to wait for you to enlighten me when it is time, right?
Sit back, crack open a few beers, and before you know it Lgl Egl will fill you in on what you need to know, when the specifics are known.
Legal Eagle
09-07-11, 01:12
Please translate into normal speak. I feel like I'm trying to read some sort of message in encrypted code. And what's the relevance of 9/8?One of the My1501 former employees facing charges is headed to court on 9/8. She, along with at least one of the other defendants, are involved in plea negotiations. The negotiations involve, in part, proffers by the defendants discussing the specifics of what occurred at the establishment. Details that have yet to be made public are forthcoming. The information sought by LEO involves the owners of My1501 and their affiliates. A decision has been made regarding whether they will be charged, and will be made public soon. LEO is aware of the new location that the My1501 defendants (and others who were not charged) are working, and are keeping tabs on the defendants and their former co-workers (at least those that are identifiable.) Be careful where you receive service over the next few weeks particularly if this service involves those associated with the charged defendants.
Bon Denver
09-07-11, 17:40
Please translate into normal speak. I feel like I'm trying to read some sort of message in encrypted code. And what's the relevance of 9/8?This is strickly my advice on this whole situation. . .stay the hell away from Serene Spa and also the Stadium where Randi, Ava ahd Aluring Alana work.
This is strickly my advice on this whole situation. .stay the hell away from Serene Spa and also the Stadium where Randi, Ava ahd Aluring Alana work.Jim True Blue: hope all is well w' you: I see you are busy keeping us all informed, educated, & safe. When you have time: you have an un_opened p' m' waiting.
Bon Denver
09-08-11, 15:53
Jim True Blue: hope all is well w' you: I see you are busy keeping us all informed, educated, & safe. When you have time: you have an un_opened p' m' waiting.I had two PM, but none from your handle of Kyowa. So you have more than one handle? Two or maybe three?
Johnballgame
09-08-11, 16:43
This is strickly my advice on this whole situation. .stay the hell away from Serene Spa and also the Stadium where Randi, Ava ahd Aluring Alana work.You have mail.
TheSportScout
09-08-11, 19:21
Jtb.
I sent you mail today also. I am off for a couple days and am thinking about Alana. But, after seeing your earlier posy, I am very, very curious. Any help?
Thanks
Bon Denver
09-09-11, 01:17
Jtb.
I sent you mail today also. I am off for a couple days and am thinking about Alana. But, after seeing your earlier posy, I am very, very curious. Any help?
ThanksAll I know is a little birdie told me they are being targeting pretty heavily and it isn't their first time, they have actually had an arrest happen there in the past and aren't known to have a clean slate. There is possibly some additional involvment which could spell T-R-O-U-B-L-E (according to what I heard) , but what do I know? I'm not LE.
From my observations, I see that places with multiple girls are always targeted by LE. That is why I usually only visit independents. It's been said a 100 times on here, but it goes ignored and then when there are busts you all act surprised. History repeats itself, that is why the study of history class is manditory in elementary, junior high, high school and college. It's because the study of history leads to the prediction of the future. Don't say I didn't warn you.
TheSportScout
09-09-11, 08:33
All I know is a little birdie told me they are being targeting pretty heavily and it isn't their first time, they have actually had an arrest happen there in the past and aren't known to have a clean slate. There is possibly some additional involvment which could spell T-R-O-U-B-L-E (according to what I heard) , but what do I know? I'm not LE.
From my observations, I see that places with multiple girls are always targeted by LE. That is why I usually only visit independents. It's been said a 100 times on here, but it goes ignored and then when there are busts you all act surprised. History repeats itself, that is why the study of history class is manditory in elementary, junior high, high school and college. It's because the study of history leads to the prediction of the future. Don't say I didn't warn you.Enough said.
I may not be a smart man, but I am smart enough to know where there is smoke, there is or has been fire!
I appreciate your warning. I don't ignore things like this.
Bon Denver
09-09-11, 10:25
All I know is a little birdie told me they are being targeting pretty heavily and it isn't their first time, they have actually had an arrest happen there in the past and aren't known to have a clean slate. There is possibly some additional involvment which could spell T-R-O-U-B-L-E (according to what I heard) , but what do I know? I'm not LE.
From my observations, I see that places with multiple girls are always targeted by LE. That is why I usually only visit independents. It's been said a 100 times on here, but it goes ignored and then when there are busts you all act surprised. History repeats itself, that is why the study of history class is manditory in elementary, junior high, high school and college. It's because the study of history leads to the prediction of the future. Don't say I didn't warn you.It was brought to my attention this morning that the girl at the stadium was not arrested, but rather only got into a little bit of trouble while on the job when visited by undercover vice.
TheSportScout
09-09-11, 11:20
It was brought to my attention this morning that the girl at the stadium was not arrested, but rather only got into a little bit of trouble while on the job when visited by undercover vice.This comes as a total surprise to me. I had not heard of any trouble at the stadium. Regardless, if they are on the radar, it is best to stay away. Too bad too, I really want to visit Alana and spoke with Randi last night. Either of these two would make my day even better!
Thanks for the solid info Jtb.
Johnballgame
09-09-11, 14:49
This comes as a total surprise to me. I had not heard of any trouble at the stadium. Regardless, if they are on the radar, it is best to stay away. Too bad too, I really want to visit Alana and spoke with Randi last night. Either of these two would make my day even better!
Thanks for the solid info Jtb.JTB, the girl you speak of was arrested but was not at stadium, it was location on taylorsville / bardstown Road that is no longer open. She is a personal friend of my sisters, and I'm pretty up to date on her, she's no longer in business.
Johnballgame
09-09-11, 14:56
This comes as a total surprise to me. I had not heard of any trouble at the stadium. Regardless, if they are on the radar, it is best to stay away. Too bad too, I really want to visit Alana and spoke with Randi last night. Either of these two would make my day even better!
Thanks for the solid info Jtb.After speaking with vice directly I can assure you every provider on the backpage is on the radar, they will only act when numerous complaints come in or any hint of drug activity, that was told to me directly from members of unit. So my advise is wherever you go, the girl is on the radar, so always be aware of location, surroundings and her general attitude or demeanor (pills, drugs) EX (for providers). Don't set up place to work out of that has nosey neighbors or businesses that will frown upon you and basically stay to yourself, don't flaunt yourself all around and try not to piss off many clients.
Abe Girl Vicky
09-09-11, 17:33
I'm adding the information about the guy who attacked me escort here so that I don't clog up the Massage Parlor thread with this conversation. The links provided are for his arraignment video, police citation, criminal case file cover and photos of the SUV and the hammer. The information was already made public, so I'm not blocking out address or background information so that you can verify that it is the way the information appears at the court house. You can compare what he said to the judge in court to the fairytale he told the report and draw your own conclusions.
VIDEO:
https://www.box.net/shared/frg7pcpagr9i5fy4sc89
Case information:
https://www.box.net/shared/8qanvfq1xth9hd3g653v
Police citation:
https://www.box.net/shared/pd0oapv05arkvv0ixzxc
I had two PM, but none from your handle of Kyowa. So you have more than one handle? Two or maybe three?No!
"Kyowa" is the only handle\identity I use on this board! Maybe I've screwed the puppy somehow when I've tried to p' m' you? According to the "track messages" on my "notifications" it says it was "sent 8/30" so I don't know whether the prob' is in my outbound or your inbox!
T' Y'
A K
One of the My1501 former employees facing charges is headed to court on 9/8. She, along with at least one of the other defendants, are involved in plea negotiations. The negotiations involve, in part, proffers by the defendants discussing the specifics of what occurred at the establishment. Details that have yet to be made public are forthcoming. The information sought by LEO involves the owners of My1501 and their affiliates. A decision has been made regarding whether they will be charged, and will be made public soon. LEO is aware of the new location that the My1501 defendants (and others who were not charged) are working, and are keeping tabs on the defendants and their former co-workers (at least those that are identifiable.) Be careful where you receive service over the next few weeks particularly if this service involves those associated with the charged defendants.Does anybody know what happened at the hearing on Thursday? Also wasn't there a hearing a couple of weeks ago for another one of the employees? Does anybody know what happened there?
When he asked you for sex I'm sure you upsold him up the river because 100 bucks was not enough He said ok well I want my money back why not just hand him his money back instead of saying No refunds. I really don't get it you could have saved yourself from a load of trouble and just gave him the money back and asked him to leave It was obvious he got the wrong idea and you would have looked great on your part by returning funds I mean he is only one client why so hard up for the $. If I did not get what I paid for and somebody told me no refunds your damn right I would be mad too.
Xoxo Hailey just my opinion on it
Bon Denver
09-11-11, 10:06
When he asked you for sex I'm sure you upsold him up the river because 100 bucks was not enough He said ok well I want my money back why not just hand him his money back instead of saying No refunds. I really don't get it you could have saved yourself from a load of trouble and just gave him the money back and asked him to leave It was obvious he got the wrong idea and you would have looked great on your part by returning funds I mean he is only one client why so hard up for the $. If I did not get what I paid for and somebody told me no refunds your damn right I would be mad too.
Xoxo Hailey just my opinion on itQuite honestly, I have to agree with Hailey here. Past posts on this board always mention a lot of upselling on the part of your girls. Not necessarily sex, but definitely upselling for extras. He claimed he was upsold and he still wasn't going to get the sex he wanted, therefore before the session began, he told you he wanted his money back and was told,"no refunds." What were you keeping the money for? You hadn't provided anything. He changed his mind after handing you the money. He is the customer. Instead of ensuring that there was no trouble, you all wanted to fight and argue with him. When I go to a store and don't get what I want, yet nothing has been provided yet, I always get a refund. Without a hassle. Remember, one pissed off customer will tell two people, who tell two people and so on. . .it isn't a reputation that is healthy for your business.
Additionally, it seems to me, your ads are very misleading, it's no wonder people are confused. They think one thing and get quite another, yet when they find out the truth upon arrival, you just tell them,"too bad, we're keeping your money, now scram". Also, it still doesn't make sense to me that he would demand his money back and then just "grab her tit." It makes more sense that he would,"grab for his money". When she grabbed his hand from her, he bit her and then pushed her toward the desk and floor, but again, why would he do that? He was clearly trying to grab the money out of this woman's hand. Why not just give him his lousy $100 back? And then you called the police, pinned him down and held him until the cops arrived. He is the customer, he had a misconception and disagreement about the services offered and instead of a refund, you outed him to the entire city. There isn't even any discretion there. I'll be honest, your place scares the crap out of me and I can't imagine why anyone in their right mind would go there especially now. Now I do agree he behaved inappropriately, but the entire trouble, hassle and situation could have been easily avoided. Sometimes you just need to know when to, "fold 'em". You probably need to state in your ads and at the door, NO REFUNDS! Good luck to your business!
Member #3986
09-11-11, 11:44
Additionally, it seems to me, your ads are very misleading, it's no wonder people are confused. They think one thing and get quite another, yet when they find out the truth upon arrival, you just tell them,"too bad, we're keeping your money, now scram".He is the customer, he had a misconception and disagreement about the services offered and instead of a refund, you outed him to the entire city. There isn't even any discretion there. I'll be honest, your place scares the crap out of me and I can't imagine why anyone in their right mind would go there especially now.Well said, JTB. Misleading ads, poor customer service upon arrival, then a quick-trigger for confrontation and / or LEO involvement in the case of disagreement. Granted this is just one man's interpretation, but it doesn't bode for positive PR efforts.
I'm adding the information about the guy who attacked me escort here so that I don't clog up the Massage Parlor thread with this conversation. The links provided are for his arraignment video, police citation, criminal case file cover and photos of the SUV and the hammer. The information was already made public, so I'm not blocking out address or background information so that you can verify that it is the way the information appears at the court house. You can compare what he said to the judge in court to the fairytale he told the report and draw your own conclusions.
VIDEO:
https://www.box.net/shared/frg7pcpagr9i5fy4sc89
Case information:
https://www.box.net/shared/8qanvfq1xth9hd3g653v
Police citation:
https://www.box.net/shared/pd0oapv05arkvv0ixzxcCan't candone anyone assaulting anyone, however having trouble being sympathetic. Started hobbying with UTR girls long before I knew boards like this exhisted. When CL closed down its Adult section tried to switch over to escorts and it was extremely disatisfying as well as more expensive. Now that I have got the hang of getting around CL's restrictions and found other places to hunt I'm back to the UTR girls. They have nicer personalitites, are grateful for the exchange will cultivate further arrangements, fully discuss what will happen, are less likely to give you fake pics, upsell or any of the nonsense you will be put through with escorts for 90days of using them. True it requires more patience however escorts will either exhaust your patience or your money usually both. Its a good thing your not running legitimate business because you would fail at it since you rarely have any idea of customer satisfaction or repeat business thats why so many of you spend time changing names, numbers nad locations. Actually what he should have done is call the police and accused you of solicitation of sex and got his money back that way and let you deal with the legal hastles.
When he asked you for sex I'm sure you upsold him up the river because 100 bucks was not enough He said ok well I want my money back why not just hand him his money back instead of saying No refunds. I really don't get it you could have saved yourself from a load of trouble and just gave him the money back and asked him to leave It was obvious he got the wrong idea and you would have looked great on your part by returning funds I mean he is only one client why so hard up for the $. If I did not get what I paid for and somebody told me no refunds your damn right I would be mad too.
Xoxo Hailey just my opinion on it+1 and a few more characters so I can post it.
Bon Denver
09-11-11, 22:10
Looks like another one bit the dust. Old Amanda that used to do sessions out of her home Dixie Hwy and then moved to Lyndon about a year ago got shut down by the state of Kentucky for practicing massage without a license. She was making false claims in her advertisements of being able to legally practice massage which is a no-no in KY. You can't say you offer massage if you aren't licensed. The KY Massage Board took her to court and she signed an agreement to cease to desist. If she attempts to come back without her license she will be looking at legal charges. Those long ass ads of hers with all the annoying moving things are definitely not missed. I used to get so irritated everytime I would accidentally open one of those up - geez us!
Abe Girl Vicky
09-12-11, 07:54
You're correct in stating that a refund is appropriate when the service is not started. If you review the prior posts on A. B. E, you won't find a single client that has ever claimed that they were denied a refund prior to a session beginning. You will certainly find other complaints, but not that one. That should tell you something about how this actually played out.
What he describes as a "refund" was his willingness to pay $20 for an hour-long bodyrub. My escort replied that "the cost is $100, not $20," and described some of the fantasy services offered. The only reason the additional services were brought up was to help him understand that he could have a great time and to divert the conversation away from sex. Recall that this was his first trip to A. B. E and our first experience with him. He still wanted the bodyrub, but at the discount he demanded. This is what he meant by "$20 for her trouble." She then called me downstairs because he was angry that she would not agree to that price. He was not angry that he wasn't getting a refund-just not the bodyrub for $20.
The next phase was the breast grab and so forth. There wasn't any "upsell" because there was no opportunity to even discuss prices for additional services. As I've stated for more than a year now, those conversations don't even take place until well into the bodyrub session. This entire incident took place within minutes of his arrival. There was not discussion on his part about anything other than sex for $100 or a bodyrub for $20.
What I'm hearing, and I hope I'm wrong about this, is that his anger was justified and, unbelievably, what followed was also justified-particularly when it is stated that "we just wanted a fight." He was told by the judge what he was accused of and admitted several times that he was guilty of that conduct. He then told the reporter a much different story barely an hour later, painting my escorts and I as the bad-guys. The consensus opinion here seems to be that he is right, notwithstanding his drunken, violent reaction toward us and admission that his conduct was criminal. I suppose I should accept that for what it implies. I do have to confess-without sounding catty (I hope).genuine surprise at this. I've always tried to operate the agency professionally regardless of some of the shortcomings I've acknowledged previously. Fighting a client over a see-note is not an image with which I ever thought we'd be associated particularly because our service is more expensive. I would have loved to hand him his money and watch him to leave. We, unfortunately, were not given that option by Mr. Landry. I believed, incorrectly, that his statement to the judge in open court would have settled that question.
As far as the ads I post being "deceptive," I'll have to leave it to you to define deception for yourselves. The services we offer are the services listed in the ads and on the website at the prices advertised, and you'll never encounter a girl that is not actually featured in the photos posted. The services rendered are discussed privately between the escort and client as they should be. I've never made a secret of the fact that our rates are higher than most providers in the area. The reason for this may be obvious when you consider some of the problems being experienced by providers who tend to focus more on quantity and volume of clientele by keeping the rates at levels well-below those of other major metropolitan areas, and by using advertising language and techniques that attract the most undesirable form of attention.
Finally (and it will be my final comment on this, honestly,) I made sure LEO became involved in resolving this conflict because it was necessary. The safety of my escorts will always be my primary concern. If that means losing a few (or even not so few) bucks, then that's the price I'm willing to pay. My escorts will always behave professionally, discreetly and look to the comfort of and safety of our clients. I expect nothing less from the clientele using our service.
Legal Eagle
09-12-11, 08:50
Does anybody know what happened at the hearing on Thursday? Also wasn't there a hearing a couple of weeks ago for another one of the employees? Does anybody know what happened there?The September 8th hearing was continued to October, Steve. The defendant was appointed an attorney, and the case was continue to allow her to consider a plea agreement that is being negotiated. The other defendants are due in court this week.
Legal Eagle
09-12-11, 09:18
I certainly do not have the full history on this as several of you do, but the issue with the ABE company seems pretty clear to me. I watched both the courtroom arraignment video and the televised interview of the defendant, and from what I can tell there does seem to be a discrepancy in the defendant's statements. When he appeared in court for arraignment on September 5th, he told the personnel in court that he was guilty after being advised of the charges and assertions made against him. He obviously knew what was being stated and agreed that the statements were truthful. From a factual and legal standpoint, that means he admitted to causing the escort pain when he grabbed her bosom, biting her when she fought him off and to striking at least two other people who came to her aid during the altercation. He did not say anything about going there for sexual activity as he was not charged with solicitation or from what appears in the police citation any sexual offenses. He also said he was intoxicated at the time.
The televised interview tells a much different story however. During the television interview, he claims that he went there for sex and offered the escort $20 when she refused to provide such. As to why he would grab her bosom, hurt and bite her in the process of allegedly just trying to "get his money back," that seems to be a better question for him to answer given his admission that it occurred. If he was going there for sex, it seems that trying to push the escort to the floor would be consistent with that intent. All of these assertions seem contrived given his statement in the courtroom that he was intoxicated at the time. It also appears that he began to tell the attorney present in the courtroom (sitting near him at the glass presentation window) that he didn't know exactly what happened just before his comments to the court. If that is so, how then does he go into detail with the reporter during the televised interview? More puzzling still, why would he admit to be guilty of anything if, as he claimed in the interview, he was simply trying to get his money back? It seems a bit contrived to be perfectly candid.
From what I gather, the service of this company seems to be disliked by several customers posting on this board. If service is the problem, that's certainly one mater. Whether the escorts were defending themselves or attacking this defendant is quite another, in my opinion. Looking at the size and shape of the defendant as reflected in the citation and the videos (both the courtroom appearance and in comparison to the reporter,) I would have a hard time believing his story that they attacked him. Unless this company had a history of assaultive behavior toward customers, it seems that the defendant's statement to the judge in the courtroom is the more likely version of what occurred. I may be in the minority here, but I have to go with the escort's version of what happened in this case. It would be bad public relations to develop a reputation for attacking clients for money. I'd be willing to go out on a limb and suggest that the defendant gave his televised interview before the company was asked to make a comment. That may explain how this matter became public in any case. Given the date and time stamp on the courtroom video in comparison to the time of the news cast, I would assume this to be the case. The people running this company would be in a better position to answer that question certainly.
I certainly do not have the full history on this as several of you do, but the issue with the ABE company seems pretty clear to me. I watched both the courtroom arraignment video and the televised interview of the defendant, and from what I can tell there does seem to be a discrepancy in the defendant's statements. When he appeared in court for arraignment on September 5th, he told the personnel in court that he was guilty after being advised of the charges and assertions made against him. He obviously knew what was being stated and agreed that the statements were truthful. From a factual and legal standpoint, that means he admitted to causing the escort pain when he grabbed her bosom.Greetings Everyone,
Since his initial registration a month ago, Legal Eagle has posted 19 reports detaining ongoing criminal prosecutions while simultaneously avoiding posting any personal sport fucking experiences.
So, does anyone have any insight into his true agenda?
Is he even a monger?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Please let me know your observations by utilizing the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of this thread.
Thanks,
Jackson
Johnballgame
09-12-11, 17:51
Greetings Everyone,
Since his initial registration a month ago, Legal Eagle has posted 19 reports detaining ongoing criminal prosecutions while simultaneously avoiding posting any personal sport fucking experiences.
So, does anyone have any insight into his true agenda?
Is he even a monger?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Please let me know your observations by utilizing the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of this thread.
Thanks,
JacksonJackson, sorrry about the caps use awhile back. Contact me via email, phone and I will inform you on all the jackazzes on here that have set agendas on hurting the hobbyist and providers, if you read back I tend to back up what I say with facts and proof, just not some dumb f*k with diarea of the mouth.
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I have no idea what this has to do with Legal Eagle's posts.
Thanks,
Jackson
Abe Girl Vicky
09-12-11, 22:27
Its a good thing your not running legitimate business because you would fail at it since you rarely have any idea of customer satisfaction or repeat business thats why so many of you spend time changing names, numbers nad locations. Actually what he should have done is call the police and accused you of solicitation of sex and got his money back that way and let you deal with the legal hastles.We are a licensed bureau, and actually have done pretty well so far. What happened to you in your experience with escorts is unfortunate, but certainly not typical. I tell people here all the time that if you can find better for less, you should definitely go for it. Landry couldn't call the police because he was the one asking for sex (and being told no) and did respond violently. But I hear what you guys are saying and will just leave it at that.
Greetings Everyone,
Since his initial registration a month ago, Legal Eagle has posted 19 reports detaining ongoing criminal prosecutions while simultaneously avoiding posting any personal sport fucking experiences.
So, does anyone have any insight into his true agenda?
Is he even a monger?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Please let me know your observations by utilizing the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of this thread.
Thanks,
JacksonJackson,
I, for one embrace his (Legal Eagle) input under the current " legal" category. Normally, posters of this nature would be illrevelant and boring but giving the situation some (most) on here currently are in concerning a "list" of clients that was confiscated during an arrest, I find his input not only credible but welcoming. Not only has his post soothed concerns of some on here but it has educated many on the legal process which may shield members a bit better concerning this situation. The numerous views of his posts speak for themselves and I believe you have already handled this situation appropriatley by giving it its own thread away from the mongering.
As always, thanks for looking out for us Jackson!
Whatever happened to her? I don't see anymore YouTube videos. Is she in the pokey?
Legal Eagle
09-13-11, 13:57
After reading the board moderator's question, I wanted to make sure that I am clear on why I visit the board and why I have posted information. Those of you that I've spoken with understand that my profession is that of lawyer, and that I have a client who has legal concerns regarding the situation with the former employees of My1501. I was directed to this board by my client and told that I could learn more about the situation and the company here. My client was certainly correct about the knowledge of people posting here (all but one of you in point of fact.)
When I come across information that helps explain the legal situation faced by both former employees and customers of My1501, I share it with others here because it helps those who may have concerns about using the service determine their respective risk. I started posting comments (rather than just information) when I noticed one of the board member's patent attempt to minimize and deflect attention away from what has grown into a large-scale investigation. Those of us who come into regular contact with the people involved in this investigation and prosecution know that this if far from over. Anyone telling you to simply ignore it or, worse yet, to disregard the determination of law enforcement to carry this case to its fruition is doing you a disservice. The best way to help yourself if you are at risk is to learn as much about the case and the people involved as you can and chose a course of action based upon what you learn. Knowledge really is vital given what is coming in this case, so learn what you can as soon as you can.
For the benefit of our moderator and others, there is one person posting here that does have an agenda. This is not a personal attack, but simply an observation based on research. This person has direct and historic business and personal ties with the people presently under investigation and facing prosecution. This person also has personal financial concerns that he should attend to regarding this same investigation in as much as the investigation now threatens this person's business interests as well. That is part of the reason you are seeing the effort to minimize the My1501 situation here on this board. This person does not want you to know this, and responds to any attempts to share vital information with petty insult, accusation or outright deception. None of these responses address the central issue of whether he has a business history and personal relationship with the people under investigation and whether his attempts at "sharing information" are cloaked efforts at helping to keep a business whose practices placed hobbyists and providers alike at risk maintain their financial position. This person has claimed to "have no dog in this fight." Do your homework and find out whether this is truthful and accurate. It will help you evaluate not only the information this person "shares," but generally whether this person has been candid with you about any of the information provided previously or prospectively in this and other threads.
To answer Jackson's ultimate question, yes, I've had a dream or two in the past. I'm careful about where I go and what I say quite simply because it leads to the very situation that causes us to have this conversation today. Jackson provides this place as a means of safety and security for those who enjoy this type of game (and it is a game of sorts.) It has been turned by some into an advertising and self-promotion shell-game while they simultaneously tell you that their information is reliable and sound. It is self-promotion at the expense of accuracy and candor.
I'll continue to share observations if you're comfortable with that information on your board, Jackson. If not, I appreciate you letting me participate thus far and will wish you every success at the important service you provide us all.
BTW, thank you, ToyTiger. I hope that any information I've provided has been helpful to you and others in our game.
Bon Denver
09-13-11, 17:56
After reading the board moderator's question, I wanted to make sure that I am clear on why I visit the board and why I have posted information. Those of you that I've spoken with understand that my profession is that of lawyer, and that I have a client who has legal concerns regarding the situation with the former employees of My1501. I was directed to this board by my client and told that I could learn more about the situation and the company here. My client was certainly correct about the knowledge of people posting here (all but one of you in point of fact.)
When I come across information that helps explain the legal situation faced by both former employees and customers of My1501, I share it with others here because it helps those who may have concerns about using the service determine their respective risk. I started posting comments (rather than just information) when I noticed one of the board member's patent attempt to minimize and deflect attention away from what has grown into a large-scale investigation. Those of us who come into regular contact with the people involved in this investigation and prosecution know that this if far from over. Anyone telling you to simply ignore it or, worse yet, to disregard the determination of law enforcement to carry this case to its fruition is doing you a disservice. The best way to help yourself if you are at risk is to learn as much about the case and the people involved as you can and chose a course of action based upon what you learn. Knowledge really is vital given what is coming in this case, so learn what you can as soon as you can.
For the benefit of our moderator and others, there is one person posting here that does have an agenda. This is not a personal attack, but simply an observation based on research. This person has direct and historic business and personal ties with the people presently under investigation and facing prosecution. This person also has personal financial concerns that he should attend to regarding this same investigation in as much as the investigation now threatens this person's business interests as well. That is part of the reason you are seeing the effort to minimize the My1501 situation here on this board. This person does not want you to know this, and responds to any attempts to share vital information with petty insult, accusation or outright deception. None of these responses address the central issue of whether he has a business history and personal relationship with the people under investigation and whether his attempts at "sharing information" are cloaked efforts at helping to keep a business whose practices placed hobbyists and providers alike at risk maintain their financial position. This person has claimed to "have no dog in this fight." Do your homework and find out whether this is truthful and accurate. It will help you evaluate not only the information this person "shares," but generally whether this person has been candid with you about any of the information provided previously or prospectively in this and other threads.
To answer Jackson's ultimate question, yes, I've had a dream or two in the past. I'm careful about where I go and what I say quite simply because it leads to the very situation that causes us to have this conversation today. Jackson provides this place as a means of safety and security for those who enjoy this type of game (and it is a game of sorts.) It has been turned by some into an advertising and self-promotion shell-game while they simultaneously tell you that their information is reliable and sound. It is self-promotion at the expense of accuracy and candor.
I'll continue to share observations if you're comfortable with that information on your board, Jackson. If not, I appreciate you letting me participate thus far and will wish you every success at the important service you provide us all.
BTW, thank you, ToyTiger. I hope that any information I've provided has been helpful to you and others in our game.Well said! And thank you!
Johnballgame
09-13-11, 18:30
After reading the board moderator's question, I wanted to make sure that I am clear on why I visit the board and why I have posted information. Those of you that I've spoken with understand that my profession is that of lawyer, and that I have a client who has legal concerns regarding the situation with the former employees of My1501. I was directed to this board by my client and told that I could learn more about the situation and the company here. My client was certainly correct about the knowledge of people posting here (all but one of you in point of fact.)
When I come across information that helps explain the legal situation faced by both former employees and customers of My1501, I share it with others here because it helps those who may have concerns about using the service determine their respective risk. I started posting comments (rather than just information) when I noticed one of the board member's patent attempt to minimize and deflect attention away from what has grown into a large-scale investigation. Those of us who come into regular contact with the people involved in this investigation and prosecution know that this if far from over. Anyone telling you to simply ignore it or, worse yet, to disregard the determination of law enforcement to carry this case to its fruition is doing you a disservice. The best way to help yourself if you are at risk is to learn as much about the case and the people involved as you can and chose a course of action based upon what you learn. Knowledge really is vital given what is coming in this case, so learn what you can as soon as you can.
For the benefit of our moderator and others, there is one person posting here that does have an agenda. This is not a personal attack, but simply an observation based on research. This person has direct and historic business and personal ties with the people presently under investigation and facing prosecution. This person also has personal financial concerns that he should attend to regarding this same investigation in as much as the investigation now threatens this person's business interests as well. That is part of the reason you are seeing the effort to minimize the My1501 situation here on this board. This person does not want you to know this, and responds to any attempts to share vital information with petty insult, accusation or outright deception. None of these responses address the central issue of whether he has a business history and personal relationship with the people under investigation and whether his attempts at "sharing information" are cloaked efforts at helping to keep a business whose practices placed hobbyists and providers alike at risk maintain their financial position. This person has claimed to "have no dog in this fight." Do your homework and find out whether this is truthful and accurate. It will help you evaluate not only the information this person "shares," but generally whether this person has been candid with you about any of the information provided previously or prospectively in this and other threads.
To answer Jackson's ultimate question, yes, I've had a dream or two in the past. I'm careful about where I go and what I say quite simply because it leads to the very situation that causes us to have this conversation today. Jackson provides this place as a means of safety and security for those who enjoy this type of game (and it is a game of sorts.) It has been turned by some into an advertising and self-promotion shell-game while they simultaneously tell you that their information is reliable and sound. It is self-promotion at the expense of accuracy and candor.
I'll continue to share observations if you're comfortable with that information on your board, Jackson. If not, I appreciate you letting me participate thus far and will wish you every success at the important service you provide us all.
BTW, thank you, ToyTiger. I hope that any information I've provided has been helpful to you and others in our game.If I'm the him that is referred to in this, I urge everyone to read over my only conflict with this poster, I simply stated I knew a cop went above and beyond the norm in this sting, legal called me out on it and wanted proof supporting my statement, I showed the proof for all to see and he still failed to fully acknowledge that him / his client were wrong. Anyways this pissing match is over as far as I'm concerned, I provided hard evidence and he continues to use his tactics and evasive verbal ramblings, he does make good points and some nice speculation, but as Jackson stated and asked he has did nothing but stir a pot on an old subject. And as far as his direct attack on me, I have no dog in this fight (read that again legal) it will not affect me in either way the outcome of that raid. Your false reporting is teetering on the line of slander mr lawyer lady / guy. I have never been in business with 1501 and in no way part of how the business ran. LEGALEAGLE, here ill throw you a bone, look at that video of the bust and see if you find any of the patrons interesting? You are right, depending on how things fall, there is alot more to this outcome. Signing off on this subject for good, I'm done wasting time with close minded individuals
Well said! And thank you!I concur with Jim's summary, & heartily second his aprobation of & expression of gratitude to LegalEagle! I hope "LegalEagle" continues to educate & inform us for our own protection beyond just the current My1501 cases! Thank you "LegalEagle"; & thank you JimTrueBlue, also!
I even wonder if "LegalEagle" could be the worthy successor to our lamented & much-missed "Track" on busts & law-enforcement operations?
Legal Eagle
09-14-11, 07:26
As Jackson stated and asked he has did nothing but stir a pot on an old subject.That's not what the administrator said or even asked, but facts don't really seem to be your strong suit. He asked whether I had an agenda and if I was a monger. I answered both questions. Perhaps you should try answering some about YOUR real agenda.
Your false reporting is teetering on the line of slander mr lawyer lady / guy. I have never been in business with 1501 and in no way part of how the business ran.I said that this person had an historical business and personal relationship with the proprietors of My1501 to be specific. Do you deny that the two to you were in business together until your mutual place was busted a couple of years ago? Or that the two of you are particularly close friends? I'd be willing to bet you have something to do with the girls that work there as well, correct? If you're going to provide information downplaying the seriousness of a large-scale criminal investigation that your close friend and business partner triggered that really does create a risk to people using those services (both the facilities and the employees who worked or, as is clearly the case, continue to work for My1501 / Serene Spa,) perhaps you need to lay all your cards on the table. Given your penchant for sports analogies, Johnballgame, I'm sure you'll understand what laying those cards out entails. It's the nonsense that you and your ally engage in via careless, indiscreet business practices that caused this mess in the first place. Strike that; you simply "rent space and in no way attempt to solicit customers for any of the girls who rent space from you" here on this board, in advertisements, via telephone or otherwise. I stand corrected.
ill throw you a boneYou can keep it. You know much better than I what to do with those bones you're relentlessly attempting to bury, Sidlinereport. I mean, Johnballgame. I also understand you used to post under yet another sports-related handle on this board. Perhaps that too is part of the "crap" floating around, right Johnballgame? I wonder if that "guy" had anything helpful to say about the girls who "rented space" from you or worked for your friend running the assembly line locations. Sorry if I'm wrong about that.[/QUOTE]
You are right, depending on how things fall, there is alot more to this outcome.Which is all I've been saying from the outset. Thank you for making my point. Sorry to everyone else and to the administrator for the hostility apparent in my post. I just have a difficult time being served chaff in the guise of wheat.
Johnballgame
09-14-11, 13:20
I said that this person had an historical business and personal relationship with the proprietors of My1501 to be specific. Do you deny that the two to you were in business together until your mutual place was busted a couple of years ago?I not only deny it, I will bet you any amount of money that you are wrong, so since you made another false accusation, please bring your bs specualation to light. So put your money where your mouth is, I called you out and proved you wrong last week and seems I'm putting you on front street again, what mutual place and besides that I work a 9-5, so what other business together? You said it, I'm asking show us the proof, some business name that we owned, some arrest record, some bust with my name on it, something besides you speculating, cause its going to lead you down a dark endless road, I'm sorry other posters have to read this, legal does make good points, but he has launched a personal attack on me and he has stated falsehoods which I don't take well, pretty much an assasination of character, bottomline eagle you never get a complete story, its like you piece together details and then develop your own theories, I'm thinking your some legal aid who wants to be an attorney, or informant, or but whatever it is, you do have some good points for people here, but when it comes to me, you have the wrong person! Now please post the documents that support what you say about me!
Legal Eagle
09-14-11, 16:43
Here is a list of posts that make the point of agendas, self-promotion, competitor attacks, deception and hypocrisy. Once again, this is not a personal attack, but is based on a bit of research done only in response to claims that I and others raising questions are either "starting sh*t" or engaging in "verbal diarrhea." In no particular order, mongers, I offer this for your consideration:
1. No affiliation with My1501:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7893-Massage-Parlor-Reports/page10
2. Not affiliated with ANY group:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1265039#post1265039
3."Outrage" at cops spending money to pay the rent of his business affiliate and former partner:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1263286#post1263286
4. Attacking Zoe's for "lack of safety" at their location:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4582-Escort-Classified-Ads-Posted-by-Escorts-No-Reviews-or-Commentary&p=1212802#post1212802
5. Promoting his "tenants" while attacking competitor "Healing Gardens":
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1208854#post1208854
6."Outrage" at owners "scamming" board members via self-promotion:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1201119#post1201119
7. Promoting another "tenant":
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1201101#post1201101
8. Attacking a competitor (Mira) for alleged self-promotion. Pot calling the kettle black:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1178392#post1178392
9. Attacking competitor "Carla." Pot getting blacker:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7893-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=1162065#post1162065
10. Accuses yet another board member asking questions of "starting sh*" :
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1155236#post1155236
11."Noone puts baby in the corner" until Baby is put in corner by moderator for self-promotion on steriods:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1153199#post1153199
12."Defending My1501: The Early Years" Board member "Sunycide" officially gets to say "I told you so."
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3502-General-Reports&p=1149087#post1149087
13. Lectures all concerned on the horrors of self-promotion:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7893-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=1149083#post1149083
14. Attacks competitor ABE for law enforcement presence. Downplays actual raids at friend's place in later chapter:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1093821#post1093821
15. I wonder where she worked at the time? Educated guess says at one of his locations :
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1075936#post1075936
16. Might go back? You never left, apparently:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1074603#post1074603
17. Who's working for who? (Part 2) :
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1060929#post1060929
18. Baby is born to the forum. Congratulations, everyone:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1049862#post1049862
And on and on and on, all under one board handle. Those with a more institutional knowledge of this board will know of other handles and similar posts. Just so we are all clear on this:
Yes, My1501, Serene Spa, the girls who worked there advertising under new numbers and the girls identifiable with those services are being watched. Yes, the stadium is being watched for the reasons stated previously. No, LEO did not give the new locations a "pass" and why would they while criminal cases are pending? This is not conjecture, arguendo or propaganda, it is fact. If you choose to use these services, follow the advice of the seniors posting and guard your identity carefully. Don't assume safety-attend to it. There are smart, attractive and safe providers out there being attacked unfairly. Those involved in running reckless locations and engaging in obvious self-promotion may walk away from a bust, but consider what a single arrest will do to your personal reputation and act accordingly. This is the reason this forum exists.
There is wheat and there is in the final analysis chaff. Safe mongering, all.
Johnballgame
09-14-11, 19:16
Yes those are my post and yes I do like some providers over others and yes I am friends with alot of people and will tell truths if someone misleads this forum. YOU said I'm a partner and had a mutal place with the owners and the place was busted 2 years ago, and since you are IN THE PROFESSION OF LAW (what attorney says that) I asked you to please post some police transcript, arrest report, or name of place that had this happen 2 years ago. Show some proof buddy, any citizen could get a copy of this so called bust and who business partners were / are, so I know being a lawyer and all you can get this. This whole pissing match over correcting you on a post a few weeks ago, and then proving you were wrong. Pretty funny you joined this site the week of bust and have did nothing but comment on that and bash me for whatever reason. I do have alot of aquaintances in this biz, I'm in my late 40s and been doing this hobby for quite awhile, I can prove what I say fella / lady, so yes all those post are accurate and my opinions along with facts I've collected along the way. Now your turn, where's that bust and partnership you accuse me of, thats right you don't have it and won't get it, cause there is none. Again people this poster does make good points at times, but he fails to post any factual, solid, concrete evidence, he has an agenda directly at me and he / she never has produced one thing to prove his accusations against me, I'm willing to meet anytime just to prove who I am and put this to rest once and for all.
Johnballgame
09-14-11, 19:33
I have reviewed many ladies on here, I ask all posters to read them, I understand we all have different opinions, but I will bet that alot of you will agree with most of my reviews, they are fairly accurate and given with no favorites. On the other hand my little puppydog hasnt given one review of any lady, but only to discuss legal hearsay, be careful what you say to this one! Read all his / her post and my statement will be backed up.
Bon Denver
09-15-11, 00:57
JTB, the girl you speak of was arrested but was not at stadium, it was location on taylorsville / bardstown Road that is no longer open. She is a personal friend of my sisters, and I'm pretty up to date on her, she's no longer in business.She was Sam aka Emily. Regardless of her being a friend of your sisters, why did vice seek YOU to talk to about Sam when she was busted if there was no business affiliation and you have never been a business owner of girls? That one is confusing.
Legal Eagle
09-15-11, 04:47
She was Sam aka Emily. Regardless of her being a friend of your sisters, why did vice seek YOU to talk to about Sam when she was busted if there was no business affiliation and you have never been a business owner of girls? That one is confusing.LEO contacted Mr. PT Barnum because, contrary to the self-delusion he continues to engage in, they don't buy into his "landlord" explanation. They too must simply be "starting sh*t."
Legal Eagle
09-15-11, 05:27
Yes those are my post and yes I do like some providers over othersParticularly those that work for you. I mean "rent from you." I'll get that straight eventually.
Since you are IN THE PROFESSION OF LAW (what attorney says that)This one.
I asked you to please post some police transcript, arrest report, or name of place that had this happen 2 years ago. Show some proof buddy, any citizen could get a copy of this so called bust and who business partners were / are, so I know being a lawyer and all you can get this.I said, in point of fact, a "couple of years ago." You specifically identified "two." That in and of itself says something, yes? Do you really want to get into how much you're paying others monthly to sign their names on the leases, PT? Give it a rest already. You're arguing something that several-and I mean several-posters on this board already know to be fact. Only someone thinking on your level would attempt to prove the negative (which is why you're so insistent on this point.) Nice try, but try again.
Pretty funny you joined this site the week of bust and have did nothing but comment on that and bash me for whatever reason.I could direct you to my response to the moderator and point out how this explains the timing of my appearance on this board. Instead, I will just offer that "reading is fundamental" and you can decipher what that means, PT.
Where's that bust and partnership you accuse me of, thats right you don't have it and won't get it, cause there is none.Just so we are clear on this, you're denying both the fact of the bust and your relationship with Deleon? OK, PT (or should I drop the "P" and get specific?) Anonymity is a promise of this board as I understand it. If you're willing to waive that and confess to who you really are, so be it. Your call and my response.
Again people this poster does make good points at timesThank you.
.but he fails to post any factual, solid, concrete evidenceYou mean other than specific information about court appearances, computer spread sheets, pay drop envelopes, video feeds and discovery schedules, correct? Which of those are NOT accurate, PT? Before you answer, recall that you "invited" me to address the content of the video feeds in your not-quite-most-recent rant. Pray tell us how you came into possession of something that has yet to be made part of the PUBLIC record, PT; something to which only the lawyers, defendants and the people the defendants used to / presently work for have access? Wait for it. Now re-read your near 100% of My1501, its practices, its contracts and so forth in your posts regarding that service. Wait for it. Now deny your connection with Deleon and the My1501 crew again.
.he has an agenda directly at me and he / she never has produced one thing to prove his accusations against meOther than facts you, I and several members of this board know to be truthful. My agenda has been stated, while you continue to deny yours. You are not of any real concern to me, PT. The fact that you're making others vulnerable with your obfuscation is of concern to me. Ponder the distinction before the bell ending class rings, please. You've pleaded with others to use this board for its intended purpose (accuracy of information increasing safety.) Follow your own advice. At the moment, you're treating all of the mongers relying on this board with the same level of concern you show your "tenants;" which is to say "anything for a buck."
I'm willing to meet anytime just to prove who I am and put this to rest once and for all.I know who you are, P"T", as do several others. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by denying the patently obvious (other than a means to promote the girls that "don't work for you.") You can continue the "let's meet at high noon at Tombstone" bit if you like, but it won't change the fact that I am correct, you are not and facts are facts. If I wanted to meet you personally, I would just "rent space from you."
Johnballgame
09-15-11, 07:02
She was Sam aka Emily. Regardless of her being a friend of your sisters, why did vice seek YOU to talk to about Sam when she was busted if there was no business affiliation and you have never been a business owner of girls? That one is confusing.Did you pull this one out of your azz, grasping at straws, I have never been questioned by vice concerning any bust, fella you really need to start thinking on your own and not have providers do the thinking for you. Oh by the way mr. Jtb or jetta man hows that running these days?
Johnballgame
09-15-11, 07:25
This being the legal section and all and after legal setting his target square on me, I thought I would throw him one last bone before signing off on this whole subject. If in fact legal is a lawyer, HES NOT THE ONLY ONE ON HERE. Although we usually refer to ourselves as attorneys, he is in "the profession of law" as he / she calls it. He posted about 37 post I have made over a year or so and I thank him for that. If your bored and want to read them you mite realize a few things, one is that I review everyone and give an honest review and don't care where or for whom they work, all reviews are my personal opinion of that trip / time with them, sorry I have hurt some feelings and been honest, but everyone has different taste, so even though they werent for me, it mite be something you like. And to my special friend legal and a few others that are in cahoots with each other on here,
The reason I know a little more is like I said your not the only attorney on the block, my previous post about raids / arrests in last 6 months are maybe because I have knowledge and work / friends downtown clue me in. I ONLY report what I know as factual, and if it isn't I let everyone know its my opinion and only my opinion, but as for you legal, if in fact you do represent marisa or donna they are overpaying your lackluster azz. You really should devote more time to actual facts in their case than hearsay on some website, and also when a guy tries to throw you a bone to help your case, you might want to look into it, instead of trying to insult and discredit him, if memory serves me right, I am the one who told you that the girls were fondled and gave a FULL session to an officer, seems like you should have done your OWN homework and knew this or atleast had a copy of the report yourself. All said I regret getting in this pissing match with you and jtb, feel like I have gave services for free and you know we like to be paid for our time. As I have said all along, you make good points, but as a person who chooses " the profession of law" you have a long way to go. Good luck to those girls you represent and yourself.
Legal Eagle
09-15-11, 12:08
Iif in fact you do represent marisa or donnaI don't represent any of the defendants facing charges, Mr. Barnum. If I did, we wouldn't be having this or any conversation for obvious reasons. I appreciate your efforts toward "identification by process of elimination," but you should dedicate more deductive processes for figuring an exit strategy from your and your ally's current legal dilemma. Consider that bit of advice "on the house," or rather on the stadium. Given your comment, incidentally, it means you know who actually represent the others defendants you failed to mention in your verbal chess play. Proving yet again your connection with Ivan and the My1501 crew. Just let us in on the color of Ivan's boxers and be done with it, friend.
The practice of law is a profession, PT. That is why I and most lawyers I know refer to it as "the profession of law," or when we're feeling particularly adventurous,"the legal profession." I'm not sure which reference makes you more comfortable, but select whichever suits your fancy. Or you could simply drop in on one of your "tenants." I'm sure they could use a good laugh these days.
This shit rivals the Penthouse Forum! I am thoroughly enjoying the banter back and forth!
Tune in at 11pm to see what happens next!
*grabbing my popcorn*
Notime Los
09-15-11, 20:47
This being the legal section and all and after legal setting his target square on me, I thought I would throw him one last bone before signing off on this whole subject. If in fact legal is a lawyer, HES NOT THE ONLY ONE ON HERE. Although we usually refer to ourselves as attorneys, he is in "the profession of law" as he / she calls it. He posted about 37 post I have made over a year or so and I thank him for that. If your bored and want to read them you mite realize a few things, one is that I review everyone and give an honest review and don't care where or for whom they work, all reviews are my personal opinion of that trip / time with them, sorry I have hurt some feelings and been honest, but everyone has different taste, so even though they werent for me, it mite be something you like. And to my special friend legal and a few others that are in cahoots with each other on here,
The reason I know a little more is like I said your not the only attorney on the block, my previous post about raids / arrests in last 6 months are maybe because I have knowledge and work / friends downtown clue me in. I ONLY report what I know as factual, and if it isn't I let everyone know its my opinion and only my opinion, but as for you legal, if in fact you do represent marisa or donna they are overpaying your lackluster azz. You really should devote more time to actual facts in their case than hearsay on some website, and also when a guy tries to throw you a bone to help your case, you might want to look into it, instead of trying to insult and discredit him, if memory serves me right, I am the one who told you that the girls were fondled and gave a FULL session to an officer, seems like you should have done your OWN homework and knew this or atleast had a copy of the report yourself. All said I regret getting in this pissing match with you and jtb, feel like I have gave services for free and you know we like to be paid for our time. As I have said all along, you make good points, but as a person who chooses " the profession of law" you have a long way to go. Good luck to those girls you represent and yourself.I don't think either of you are in the "profession of law"
HappyHunter47
09-15-11, 21:05
LEO contacted Mr. PT Barnum because, contrary to the self-delusion he continues to engage in, they don't buy into his "landlord" explanation. They too must simply be "starting sh*t."Well there is the proof you asked for. They contacted you ("PT" I mean "T") as the "landlord". I suppose just as they will be when your next set of tenants goes down "at the ballpark", just like Fern Valley and this one.
Legal Eagle
09-15-11, 21:54
With appropriate credit to our good friend Crashdog's prescient post, mongers. Make of it what you will. It is an "old" advertisement link posted during those heady, pre-My1501-stadium-LEO days by the good people of My1501:
Crashdog.
03-11-11, 20:28.
Guess who is allegedly back at 1501.
http://louisville.backpage.com/BodyRubs/brianna-1501-21/2844480For good measure:
http://www.google.com/search?q=502-509-9799&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=939&bih=577
This shit rivals the Penthouse Forum! I am thoroughly enjoying the banter back and forth!
Tune in at 11pm to see what happens next!
*grabbing my popcorn*I agree. I don't know who is who, but the bottom line is I'm staying away from multi-girl places for the time being. I really want to see the young Alana, but no way I'm going to her location until things settle down.
TheSportScout
09-16-11, 09:14
I set back and read, sometimes amused, sometimes confused and sometimes just plain fed up. This morning, I am fed up.
This cat fight, he said-she said crap is defeating the purpose of this board. Who knows what is true and what is false? Who knows who is who they say they are? What information is credible and what information is not? At this point I don't know who to believe or what to believe. Who is safe. Who is being watched? Is it safe to dream about the stadium? Should I dream across the river? Are dream spots with multiple talents under the radar or on it? Are independants truly independant or working with LEO?
It is bad enough to try to weed out the crap that providers feed us let alone us turning on one another. At this point, I don't know who to see and who not to see. I have my regulars and they are always incredible, but I am also a man that likes to check out new talent. I am not only a sportscout, I am a talent scout. When I wearing my sport scout hat, I converse with others to seek and share information on prospects. When I am a talent scout, I hope for the same. It seems lately that getting any credible information from this board is next to impossible. Can we recover from this mess? Can we find common ground and trust with one another? At this point, I am not sure.
Lets all kiss and make up, promise to be truthful and helpful. Can't we all just get along.
I set back and read, sometimes amused, sometimes confused and sometimes just plain fed up. This morning, I am fed up.
This cat fight, he said-she said crap is defeating the purpose of this board. Who knows what is true and what is false? Who knows who is who they say they are? What information is credible and what information is not? At this point I don't know who to believe or what to believe. Who is safe. Who is being watched? Is it safe to dream about the stadium? Should I dream across the river? Are dream spots with multiple talents under the radar or on it? Are independants truly independant or working with LEO?
It is bad enough to try to weed out the crap that providers feed us let alone us turning on one another. At this point, I don't know who to see and who not to see. I have my regulars and they are always incredible, but I am also a man that likes to check out new talent. I am not only a sportscout, I am a talent scout. When I wearing my sport scout hat, I converse with others to seek and share information on prospects. When I am a talent scout, I hope for the same. It seems lately that getting any credible information from this board is next to impossible. Can we recover from this mess? Can we find common ground and trust with one another? At this point, I am not sure.
Lets all kiss and make up, promise to be truthful and helpful. Can't we all just get along.I know what you are saying, but this underbelly of the hobby has always been there. My only advice to you is if this troubles you, don't look. At least at this particular thread! Hahaha!
Many of the independent providers thrive on this kind of drama. I actually think the owners probably didn't want to be in this kind of drama but do get pulled in when they get called out. I have a pretty good idea as to who is stoking the fire. I just wish they would focus their efforts on the hobby versus launching bombs in a war that nobody really can win.
There is a reason the QUIET independents have more business then everyone else AND less heat from LEO. This is one illustration why.
Now, back to the show!
HappyHunter47
09-16-11, 14:37
Did you pull this one out of your azz, grasping at straws, I have never been questioned by vice concerning any bust, fella you really need to start thinking on your own and not have providers do the thinking for you. Oh by the way mr. Jtb or jetta man hows that running these days?John Ball Game, Vice talked with you, you admitted it here in two of your posts.
Johnballgame
Here is what I was told directly!
I was told this directly from detectives, don't set up a shop in a residential area, don't set up in an office with all types of neighbors, it will eventually piss them off, don't be blatant and do things to get attention (walking outside wearing skimpy clothes) also alot depends on girls working, if you have an idea that they are shady or on any drugs, they are most likely already on someones radar. Also was told "look we really don't care that girls do this, we only come out when we get numerous complaints about was is going on in the buildings. 1 or 2 calls will not get us out there. I am not making this up, detectives told me this directly.-
Johnballgame
This may help some or mite just be what you already know. Here is a word to heed, spoken to me directly by the vice themselves" we don't really give a shit about this, its really not hurting anyone but its our job, so when we get enough complaints we have to come out and investigate, so if your in this business here is what I suggest, don't set up in a residential area or area with alot of neighbors, meaning businesses around you, don't piss off the people who are your neighbors, preferrably be in a free standing building by yourself, don't make yourself high profile (meaning dress appropriatly when coming and going) don't be associating with drug people or have girls using drugs working there, we only come when we are told by higher ups or there has been so many complaints we have to" So guys you can use this how you want to pick where you go, but those facts came straight from their mouths.
Maybe someone should start a new thread called "Pissin Contests" and this thread could just be about discussing raids and busts. BTW, does anybody know I'd Keisha is out yet?
Legal Eagle
09-17-11, 11:04
Maybe someone should start a new thread called "Pissin Contests" and this thread could just be about discussing raids and busts. BTW, does anybody know I'd Keisha is out yet?No sightings reported as of last night, Partay. Three LEO stops yesterday afternoon / evening in OL if that helps explain the situation. 2nd and Ormsby had two intercepts (one BSW who regularly works the area between the T. O parking lot and Floyd Street and the other a WSW that works the spot near the Shell on Floyd & St. Cathy. If you know OL, you know who these two are for certain.) The third was a regular at the spot off Floyd Street.
Legal Eagle
09-17-11, 11:56
Why is it that everyone that disagrees with Legal has to be Troy?They don't have to be "Troy" to disagree or disbelieve, but it certainly helps if they have "Troy-like" qualities.
Believe it or not fella, there are quite a few out here that don't believe a word you say.That's fair.
I have never met JBG and don't plan on it but I know for certain he's not involved with 1501 other than being friends.Except that "he" denied that "he" has any connection whatsoever with the proprietors of My1501 and that "he" was neutral. Thank "you" for clearing that up and helping to "STOPTHEBS." I do have a question, though. If "you've" never met Troy, how do "you" know of "his" friendship with Ivan Deloen and Jeanna Kaufmann?
PS,
I feel schizophrenic just playing along with your split-personality postings.
My fav is and always has been Kelli and second is her sis.The sheer volume of your previous posts describing your affection for these two made your position on this clear. Are you vouching for yourself,"fella?"
Since your such a high powered attorney, I'm sure you don't have the time to be spending all this board all day or, wait a minute, since you do seem to have all the time in the world, you are either not an attorney or not a very good one.I was on the clock when I first came here to do research if you recall. It only takes a moment to share information and / or type responses. I admit it does take time away from chasing ambulances through spaghetti junction, but I have come to enjoy our brief time together. Incidentally, I believe you meant "you're" and not "your," not to be a grammar-cop or anything.
Again, that is all.I hope you all will forgive me this one last shot at Johnballgame / Sidelinereport / StoptheBS / Troy, but he really has made this personal. He can attack me under as many aliases as he pleases, but he cannot contradict what I've stated as factual. The accuracy of the information is only as good as the objectivity of the board member offering it. I'll try and refrain from personal responses to the extent that it impacts the ability of board members to glean through the information that is offered.
For your benefit, Troy, try not referring to everyone as "fella," using sports analogy handles and "signing off" under various aliases. It might make your efforts toward self-promotion less akin to self-immolation. And certainly less obvious.
And that, my friend, is truly "all."
They don't have to be "Troy" to disagree or disbelieve, but it certainly helps if they have "Troy-like" qualities.
That's fair.
Except that "he" denied that "he" has any connection whatsoever with the proprietors of My1501 and that "he" was neutral. Thank "you" for clearing that up and helping to "STOPTHEBS." I do have a question, though. If "you've" never met Troy, how do "you" know of "his" friendship with Ivan Deloen and Jeanna Kaufmann?
PS,
I feel schizophrenic just playing along with your split-personality postings.
The sheer volume of your previous posts describing your affection for these two made your position on this clear. Are you vouching for yourself,"fella?"
I was on the clock when I first came here to do research if you recall. It only takes a moment to share information and / or type responses. I admit it does take time away from chasing ambulances through spaghetti junction, but I have come to enjoy our brief time together. Incidentally, I believe you meant "you're" and not "your," not to be a grammar-cop or anything.
I hope you all will forgive me this one last shot at Johnballgame / Sidelinereport / StoptheBS / Troy, but he really has made this personal. He can attack me under as many aliases as he pleases, but he cannot contradict what I've stated as factual. The accuracy of the information is only as good as the objectivity of the board member offering it. I'll try and refrain from personal responses to the extent that it impacts the ability of board members to glean through the information that is offered.
For your benefit, Troy, try not referring to everyone as "fella," using sports analogy handles and "signing off" under various aliases. It might make your efforts toward self-promotion less akin to self-immolation. And certainly less obvious.
And that, my friend, is truly "all."Annnnnnddddddd BOOM goes the dynamite!
For one, I've never met you and yet I know a bit about you. I've never met Rick Pitino yet I know who his friends are. For two, fella and signing off are quite common phrases. We are mostly men on here and as such are familiar with sports phrases Legal has now lured me into his web. I refuse to engage in a battle if wits with an unarmed man. Just know that your sources are incorrect as we all watched ballgame prove with the police report. Where's your proof if your accusations? You're about to cause a load of problems for your girl.
QUOTE=Legal Eagle; 1278975]They don't have to be "Troy" to disagree or disbelieve, but it certainly helps if they have "Troy-like" qualities.
That's fair.
Except that "he" denied that "he" has any connection whatsoever with the proprietors of My1501 and that "he" was neutral. Thank "you" for clearing that up and helping to "STOPTHEBS." I do have a question, though. If "you've" never met Troy, how do "you" know of "his" friendship with Ivan Deloen and Jeanna Kaufmann?
PS,
I feel schizophrenic just playing along with your split-personality postings.
The sheer volume of your previous posts describing your affection for these two made your position on this clear. Are you vouching for yourself,"fella?"
I was on the clock when I first came here to do research if you recall. It only takes a moment to share information and / or type responses. I admit it does take time away from chasing ambulances through spaghetti junction, but I have come to enjoy our brief time together. Incidentally, I believe you meant "you're" and not "your," not to be a grammar-cop or anything.
I hope you all will forgive me this one last shot at Johnballgame / Sidelinereport / StoptheBS / Troy, but he really has made this personal. He can attack me under as many aliases as he pleases, but he cannot contradict what I've stated as factual. The accuracy of the information is only as good as the objectivity of the board member offering it. I'll try and refrain from personal responses to the extent that it impacts the ability of board members to glean through the information that is offered.
For your benefit, Troy, try not referring to everyone as "fella," using sports analogy handles and "signing off" under various aliases. It might make your efforts toward self-promotion less akin to self-immolation. And certainly less obvious.
And that, my friend, is truly "all."[/QUOTE]
Legal Eagle
09-19-11, 11:21
For one, I've never met you and yet I know a bit about you.Sure you have. We've been chatting for more than a week now. I would have offered you some of my tasty bagette but there wasn't enough left to share. A croissant perhaps?
I've never met Rick Pitino yet I know who his friends are.Did he use My1501 and the stadium as well? That certainly explains the entire federal court issue. I understand that you and Ivan prefer blondes that get men with money into trouble.
For two, fella and signing off are quite common phrases.They are certainly part of the English language.
We are mostly men on here and as such are familiar with sports phrasesWhile I can't speak for you, the rest of us are "all man." I believe you meant to say that "There Are mostly men on this board." Refer to the "English language" reference above if this is unclear to you.
Legal has now lured me into his web.Have I? If anyone is involved in weaving intricate traps to snare and destroy others, I believe it is you and your cohort. Criminal prosecutions can be quite sticky.
I refuse to engage in a battle if wits with an unarmed man.So stop talking to yourself. Yes, I'm making reference to the previous "split personality" description.
Just know that your sources are incorrect as we all watched ballgame prove with the police report.Who are the "we" to which you are referring, BS-Stopper? You claimed to have just joined this conversation, so how could you have "watched" anything? Unless of course you were observing from your box seats at the stadium. If so, I think you're watching a different sporting event.
Where's your proof if your accusations? (Points to your post admitting the "Troy-ness" of Johnballgame)
(Points to repeated posts by Johnballgame replete with denials of "Troy-ness")
(Points to your post admitting relationship between these cohorts)
(Points to repeated posts by Johnballgame denying relationship and claiming neutrality)
(Eats croissant previously offered)
You're about to cause a load of problems for your girl.I believe you and Ivan took care of that some time ago, Troy.
It is clear that the two of you are inclined to toss the "girls who don't work for you" under the bus and place them in a terrible legal situation simply to line your pockets. This is what concerned my client and now concerns me. It appears that you are equally inclined to toss the mongers under that same bus by denying what you know unequivocally to be true about the risk posed by the investigation into both organizations. With one voice in previous posts you admit to speaking directly with LMPD vice about the services operating in the area. With another voice you deny any contact with LEO. In yet another voice you claim I am incorrect about the information I've shared. You attack other owners and providers about incidental law enforcement presence at their establishments and hypocritically downplay and deny the existence of intensive, large-scale investigations (including mass arrests) into your activities and that of the owner with whom you deny even having a history and relationship. Leaving aside the ironic "coincidence" of both you and Ivan collecting information about police activity as part of your operations, perhaps you can clear up one simple matter:
If I am incorrect about any of this, Troy, then explain to all of us why law enforcement would ever be aware of or even have contact with someone who is simply a "landlord?"
Your answer to this question will speak volumes about whether any monger should now or ever use a service to which you are related. I've had a dream or two locally, but the situation you and Ivan have created is nothing short of a nightmare.
A unconfirmed source told me the client list is being released this Wednesday, Sept 21 (in court). Again, not confirmed so at this point consider rumoured. Legal stated on a earlier post that the hearing was pushed back until Oct so I'm not sure as to the validity on this new developement.
What I do know is Melissa aka "Tara" has pulled all of her ebay / website advertisments (girls for hire) so it seems as if she is cooperating somewhat with prosecuters.
A unconfirmed source told me the client list is being released this Wednesday, Sept 21 (in court). Again, not confirmed so at this point consider rumoured. Legal stated on a earlier post that the hearing was pushed back until Oct so I'm not sure as to the validity on this new developement.
What I do know is Melissa aka "Tara" has pulled all of her ebay / website advertisments (girls for hire) so it seems as if she is cooperating somewhat with prosecuters.Well ain't that rich! This ought to be interesting!
A unconfirmed source told me the client list is being released this Wednesday, Sept 21 (in court).
Well ain't that rich! This ought to be interesting!Talk about an effective way to deter folks from patronizing such establishments in the future.
If they release the names and numbers (which I surely hope that they do not) , and publicise the heck out of it. Then who will be bold enough to enter one of these establishments in the future?
There almost seems to be something wrong with the wholesale release of a list here, without cause or evidence against each specific person. Doing so is an endictment of everyone on the list, and who is to say that something illegal occurred with any of these patrons? Curious to know what the city / county's liability could be in this, say if someone loses a job over this, or is barred from some future event or admission due to their name being associated, or other devastating reaction?
HappyHunter47
09-19-11, 17:52
Talk about an effective way to deter folks from patronizing such establishments in the future.
If they release the names and numbers (which I surely hope that they do not) , and publicise the heck out of it. Then who will be bold enough to enter one of these establishments in the future?
There almost seems to be something wrong with the wholesale release of a list here, without cause or evidence against each specific person. Doing so is an endictment of everyone on the list, and who is to say that something illegal occurred with any of these patrons? Curious to know what the city / county's liability could be in this, say if someone loses a job over this, or is barred from some future event or admission due to their name being associated, or other devastating reaction?If the stadium owner is affiliated with My1501 as its been said then I am certain they also use a list and that they shared info to and fro. Reading news reports of the busts on Taylorsville / Bardstown and MY1501 they both say they are part of a 'prostitution ring'. Goolge it and read for yourself that those exact words are used. They both involve the same two men. So that would mean the Stadium, also Troy's place would be assumed to be part of the prostitution ring and it's been said the stadium is under survelliance and I suppose this is why. Chicks of his buildings and patrons alike shouldn't ignore warnings and then cry about it later. I'd take serious precaution.
Funny because Legal recently stated that he did not represent anyone involved as it would be unethical to post on here if he did, yet now he's representing one of the girls.
By "mostly men" I was referring to the fact that there are women on here pretending to be men
I know the owners of the previous 1501 and the unequivocally are not in business with Troy and would never be as he is quite unethical. Put up the proof or shut up with the accusations.
One more thing I would like to point out, Troy or JBG never said he spoke to vice about a bust as you try to misrepresent, he simply stated that he talked to them. In my eyes, those are two different statements. While he us the scum of the earth and frequently visits many of the girls he criticizes, Legal has no right to change the facts to suit his argument. Hey, wait, maybe he truly is a liar / lawyer.
Sure you have. We've been chatting for more than a week now. I would have offered you some of my tasty bagette but there wasn't enough left to share. A croissant perhaps?
Did he use My1501 and the stadium as well? That certainly explains the entire federal court issue. I understand that you and Ivan prefer blondes that get men with money into trouble.
They are certainly part of the English language.
While I can't speak for you, the rest of us are "all man." I believe you meant to say that "There Are mostly men on this board." Refer to the "English language" reference above if this is unclear to you.
Have I? If anyone is involved in weaving intricate traps to snare and destroy others, I believe it is you and your cohort. Criminal prosecutions can be quite sticky.
So stop talking to yourself. Yes, I'm making reference to the previous "split personality" description.
Who are the "we" to which you are referring, BS-Stopper? You claimed to have just joined this conversation, so how could you have "watched" anything? Unless of course you were observing from your box seats at the stadium. If so, I think you're watching a different sporting event.
(Points to your post admitting the "Troy-ness" of Johnballgame)
(Points to repeated posts by Johnballgame replete with denials of "Troy-ness")
(Points to your post admitting relationship between these cohorts)
(Points to repeated posts by Johnballgame denying relationship and claiming neutrality)
(Eats croissant previously offered)
I believe you and Ivan took care of that some time ago, Troy.
It is clear that the two of you are inclined to toss the "girls who don't work for you" under the bus and place them in a terrible legal situation simply to line your pockets. This is what concerned my client and now concerns me. It appears that you are equally inclined to toss the mongers under that same bus by denying what you know unequivocally to be true about the risk posed by the investigation into both organizations. With one voice in previous posts you admit to speaking directly with LMPD vice about the services operating in the area. With another voice you deny any contact with LEO. In yet another voice you claim I am incorrect about the information I've shared. You attack other owners and providers about incidental law enforcement presence at their establishments and hypocritically downplay and deny the existence of intensive, large-scale investigations (including mass arrests) into your activities and that of the owner with whom you deny even having a history and relationship. Leaving aside the ironic "coincidence" of both you and Ivan collecting information about police activity as part of your operations, perhaps you can clear up one simple matter:
If I am incorrect about any of this, Troy, then explain to all of us why law enforcement would ever be aware of or even have contact with someone who is simply a "landlord?"
Your answer to this question will speak volumes about whether any monger should now or ever use a service to which you are related. I've had a dream or two locally, but the situation you and Ivan have created is nothing short of a nightmare.
Legal Eagle
09-19-11, 19:56
A unconfirmed source told me the client list is being released this Wednesday, Sept 21 (in court). Again, not confirmed so at this point consider rumoured. Legal stated on a earlier post that the hearing was pushed back until Oct so I'm not sure as to the validity on this new developement.
What I do know is Melissa aka "Tara" has pulled all of her ebay / website advertisments (girls for hire) so it seems as if she is cooperating somewhat with prosecuters.You're correct about the court appearance of the remaining four defendants on the 21st, Toytiger. Perry is going back in October because she had to secure the services of the public defender's office and has yet to discuss her case with counsel. The list is being released along with copies of the police report (finally) and an offer of settlement on at least two of the defendants. I hadn't noticed the disappearance of the ebay offers. It sounds like she is starting to listen to her attorney's advice. To answer the ultimate question; yes, she is a cooperating witness for the prosecution.
HappyHunter47
09-19-11, 21:56
Funny because Legal recently stated that he did not represent anyone involved as it would be unethical to post on here if he did, yet now he's representing one of the girls.
By "mostly men" I was referring to the fact that there are women on here pretending to be men
I know the owners of the previous 1501 and the unequivocally are not in business with Troy and would never be as he is quite unethical. Put up the proof or shut up with the accusations.
One more thing I would like to point out, Troy or JBG never said he spoke to vice about a bust as you try to misrepresent, he simply stated that he talked to them. In my eyes, those are two different statements. While he us the scum of the earth and frequently visits many of the girls he criticizes, Legal has no right to change the facts to suit his argument. Hey, wait, maybe he truly is a liar / lawyer.[quote]Where did Legal say he,"represents one of the girls?" Find it, because I can't.
You said,"Troy frequently vistist many of the girls he critizes". How do YOU know he frequently visits them? And also if he criticizes them then why is he FREQUENTLY visiting them?
Last, Troy was talked to by Vice when his place at Taylorsville / Bardstown Road was busted. You remember the place where your sister's friend, [Actual Personal Name deleted by Admin] was arrested for prostitution.
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HappyHunter47
09-19-11, 21:58
You're correct about the court appearance of the remaining four defendants on the 21st, Toytiger. Perry is going back in October because she had to secure the services of the public defender's office and has yet to discuss her case with counsel. The list is being released along with copies of the police report (finally) and an offer of settlement on at least two of the defendants. I hadn't noticed the disappearance of the ebay offers. It sounds like she is starting to listen to her attorney's advice. To answer the ultimate question; yes, she is a cooperating witness for the prosecution.I had wondered if she was cooperating and pulling the site or if the owners of 1501 were up to this site too and were the ones finally heeding caution and listening. Marisa didn't seem capable of setting up that entire operation of out-call girls, video etc. It seems more of a professional situation and one I would have thought My1501 proprieters would have done.
TheRealTroy
09-19-11, 23:02
Sure you have. We've been chatting for more than a week now. I would have offered you some of my tasty bagette but there wasn't enough left to share. A croissant perhaps?
Did he use My1501 and the stadium as well? That certainly explains the entire federal court issue. I understand that you and Ivan prefer blondes that get men with money into trouble.
They are certainly part of the English language.
While I can't speak for you, the rest of us are "all man." I believe you meant to say that "There Are mostly men on this board." Refer to the "English language" reference above if this is unclear to you.
Have I? If anyone is involved in weaving intricate traps to snare and destroy others, I believe it is you and your cohort. Criminal prosecutions can be quite sticky.
So stop talking to yourself. Yes, I'm making reference to the previous "split personality" description.
Who are the "we" to which you are referring, BS-Stopper? You claimed to have just joined this conversation, so how could you have "watched" anything? Unless of course you were observing from your box seats at the stadium. If so, I think you're watching a different sporting event.
(Points to your post admitting the "Troy-ness" of Johnballgame)
(Points to repeated posts by Johnballgame replete with denials of "Troy-ness")
(Points to your post admitting relationship between these cohorts)
(Points to repeated posts by Johnballgame denying relationship and claiming neutrality)
(Eats croissant previously offered)
I believe you and Ivan took care of that some time ago, Troy.
It is clear that the two of you are inclined to toss the "girls who don't work for you" under the bus and place them in a terrible legal situation simply to line your pockets. This is what concerned my client and now concerns me. It appears that you are equally inclined to toss the mongers under that same bus by denying what you know unequivocally to be true about the risk posed by the investigation into both organizations. With one voice in previous posts you admit to speaking directly with LMPD vice about the services operating in the area. With another voice you deny any contact with LEO. In yet another voice you claim I am incorrect about the information I've shared. You attack other owners and providers about incidental law enforcement presence at their establishments and hypocritically downplay and deny the existence of intensive, large-scale investigations (including mass arrests) into your activities and that of the owner with whom you deny even having a history and relationship. Leaving aside the ironic "coincidence" of both you and Ivan collecting information about police activity as part of your operations, perhaps you can clear up one simple matter:
If I am incorrect about any of this, Troy, then explain to all of us why law enforcement would ever be aware of or even have contact with someone who is simply a "landlord?"
Your answer to this question will speak volumes about whether any monger should now or ever use a service to which you are related. I've had a dream or two locally, but the situation you and Ivan have created is nothing short of a nightmare.[QUOTE=Legal Eagle; 1277611]I don't represent any of the defendants facing charges, Mr. Barnum. If I did, we wouldn't be having this or any conversation for obvious reasons.
I just wanted to thank the guys on here who helped me out, to figure this website out, and the people trying to bring down a whole industry over some sick jealous crap, I told the people who rent from me and its sad it hurts good people.
P. S. Another name media knight, add that alias to the list of the ones who have same thing in common, seems that person with a few post came in right away bashing the same provider as the others I mentioned, guys, pretty simple connect the dots and see where this path leads.
A unconfirmed source told me the client list is being released this Wednesday, Sept 21 (in court). Again, not confirmed so at this point consider rumoured. Legal stated on a earlier post that the hearing was pushed back until Oct so I'm not sure as to the validity on this new developement.
What I do know is Melissa aka "Tara" has pulled all of her ebay / website advertisments (girls for hire) so it seems as if she is cooperating somewhat with prosecuters.So, what are they going to do with the client list? Will it be released to the media? Are they going to try to contact the people on the list? Are they going to try and prosecute those people?
Have other places around town been keeping a list? It all sounds crazy to me? Some of you guys seem to have inside information. What do you think is going to happen next?
Legal Eagle
09-20-11, 06:33
I had wondered if she was cooperating and pulling the site or if the owners of 1501 were up to this site too and were the ones finally heeding caution and listening. Marisa didn't seem capable of setting up that entire operation of out-call girls, video etc. It seems more of a professional situation and one I would have thought My1501 proprieters would have done.It was more of a buyer's remorse scenario, MK. The defendants (including My1501 proprietors) were trying to spin a bad situation into gold. It became apparent to those paying attention that, quite apart from the impact auctioning booking photos and publishing soft-porn sites might have on a potential jurors, it was in poor taste given the pending criminal matters.
Legal Eagle
09-20-11, 06:52
So, what are they going to do with the client list? Will it be released to the media? Are they going to try to contact the people on the list? Are they going to try and prosecute those people?
Have other places around town been keeping a list? It all sounds crazy to me? Some of you guys seem to have inside information. What do you think is going to happen next?The publication of the list alone will not be critical. This particular list only contains first names and telephone numbers of select clients. It does not contain any information about the service received, so it will be difficult for law enforcement to use that list without first correlating it with the information contained in the spreadsheets seized as part of the investigation.
The release of the list to the public is simply fodder the media feeds to the viewers. It may prove embarrassing for those that are identifiable from the list, but will not guarantee any criminal prosecution of clients. The real danger is whether the particular service the client received can be gleaned from a comparison with the spreadsheet information. If that information ever becomes public, heads truly shall roll.
Legal Eagle
09-20-11, 07:00
[QUOTE=Legal Eagle; 1277611]I don't represent any of the defendants facing charges, Mr. Barnum. If I did, we wouldn't be having this or any conversation for obvious reasons.
I just wanted to thank the guys on here who helped me out, to figure this website out, and the people trying to bring down a whole industry over some sick jealous crap, I told the people who rent from me and its sad it hurts good people.
P. S. Another name media knight, add that alias to the list of the ones who have same thing in common, seems that person with a few post came in right away bashing the same provider as the others I mentioned, guys, pretty simple connect the dots and see where this path leads.I've been clear from the beginning, Sybil. If you were following along, you'd know that I represent a former employee of My1501, not any of those presently charged. There is no contradiction in this as not everyone who worked (or continues to work) for My1501 is the subject of pending criminal charges. My client is concerned that she will be implicated in the investigation, and with good reason given where this investigation appears to be headed.
I noticed, as have others I'm sure, that you avoided answering the question regarding law enforcement contact. Before you make your exit and reappear under yet another visage, would you care to answer that question, MTS?
Notime Los
09-20-11, 09:36
Legal may chime in as well, but once they have the list there isn't a whole lot they can do. Can they release it to the media? Grey area if they do. In the case of Heidi Fleiss, it took a court order for them to stop the release. If there's not resistance to the release, they might be able to.
Can they investigate? Sure, but it depends on what's in the book. If it's just names and addresses, it would be harassment unless you confess. If the idiots put more detailed information (amount paid, sexual preference) then they would have more of a legal right to contact you. It's probably more of a scare tactic. The book itself is not indicative of a crime, and hearsay is not admissible in court.
So there are too REALLY big lessons here:
Only a fool would EVER use their real name and phone number.
AND
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT.
So, what are they going to do with the client list? Will it be released to the media? Are they going to try to contact the people on the list? Are they going to try and prosecute those people?
Have other places around town been keeping a list? It all sounds crazy to me? Some of you guys seem to have inside information. What do you think is going to happen next?
I know providers and they tell me that Troy frequents them.
Also Legal said his client is concerned about this.
Finally provider Jaz owned the place on Bardstown / Taylorsville that was busted. Not Troy. Do you guys just make this stuff up as you go?
[quote]Where did Legal say he,"represents one of the girls?" Find it, because I can't.
You said,"Troy frequently vistist many of the girls he critizes". How do YOU know he frequently visits them? And also if he criticizes them then why is he FREQUENTLY visiting them?
Last, Troy was talked to by Vice when his place at Taylorsville / Bardstown Road was busted. You remember the place where your sister's friend, [Actual Personal Name deleted by Admin] Was arrested for prostitution.
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*eating popcorn*
Looks like I had one of the folks pegged! Surprise, surprise!
Who's next?
Legal Eagle
09-20-11, 23:14
From the Indiana Secretary of State's business records website. The SOS is the official keeper of corporate records for the state:
Name Searched On:
SOOTHING SENSATIONS (Legal)
Current Information.
Entity Legal Name:
SOOTHING SENSATIONS, LLC.
Entity Address:
607 NORTH SHORE DRIVE #102, JEFFERSONVILLE, IN 47130.
General Entity Information:
Control Number: 2011022800788.
Status: Active.
Entity Type: Domestic Limited Liability Company (LLC)
Entity Creation Date: 2/28/2011.
Entity Date to Expire:
Entity Inactive Date:
This entity is current with Business Entity Report (s).
There are no other names on file for this Entity.
Name Searched On:
STUDIO 1501 LLC (Reserved)
Current Information.
Control Number: 2011030100064.
Owner Name: IVAN DELEON.
Address:
607 NORTH SHORE DRIVE #102, JEFFERSONVILLE, IN 47130.
Status: Expired.
Type: Reserved.
Name Creation Date: 2/28/2011.
Name Date to Expire: 6/28/2011.
Name Inactive Date:Date of incorporate is the same, business address is the same and so forth. The chances that these are separate business interests are approximately nil.
Legal may chime in as well, but once they have the list there isn't a whole lot they can do. Can they release it to the media? Grey area if they do. In the case of Heidi Fleiss, it took a court order for them to stop the release. If there's not resistance to the release, they might be able to. Can they investigate? Sure, but it depends on what's in the book. If it's just names and addresses, it would be harassment unless you confess. If the idiots put more detailed information (amount paid, sexual preference) then they would have more of a legal right to contact you. It's probably more of a scare tactic. The book itself is not indicative of a crime, and hearsay is not admissible in court. So there are too REALLY big lessons here: Only a fool would EVER use their real name and phone number. AND: YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT.USA Supreme Court has ruled that you must deliberately, distinctly, individually & separately invoke your 2 rights (to remain silent, & to have a defense lawyer present & representing you during questioning) so be aware that You must specificaly ask for the Presence of a defense lawyer to represent you in order to stop them from continuing to question You after you have invoked your right to remain silent (by saying "I refuse to answer answer any questions, or make any statements, until I have my lawyer present to counsel me.")
As much as I appreciate, & applaud, LeagleEagle's cautionary counsel & educational information about the dangers of (& fallout from) entanglement with law-enforcement, whether in the 1501 raid or in other cases: I must say that this "who is really behind the handle" & "what is her\his agenda for posting what she\he posted" is getting way beyond anything helpful for both those of our fellow readers worried about what could happen to them from this 1501-case or for those of us wanting to learn more about how best to either avoid entanglement with l' e' o's in the future or how best to deal with it (in the unlucky event that we must) so let's please try to stay focused on useful information!
Legal may chime in as well, but once they have the list there isn't a whole lot they can do. Can they release it to the media? Grey area if they do. In the case of Heidi Fleiss, it took a court order for them to stop the release. If there's not resistance to the release, they might be able to. Can they investigate? Sure, but it depends on what's in the book. If it's just names and addresses, it would be harassment unless you confess. If the idiots put more detailed information (amount paid, sexual preference) then they would have more of a legal right to contact you. It's probably more of a scare tactic. The book itself is not indicative of a crime, and hearsay is not admissible in court.
This is good SH*T.
"*eating popcorn*
*eating popcorn*
Looks like I had one of the folks pegged! Surprise, surprise!
Who's next?
"who is really behind the handle" & "what is her\his agenda for posting what she\he posted"Greetings Gentlemen,
That was my question when he first started posting.
He's got an agenda, we just haven't figured it out yet.
However, typically when someone comes onto the forum and starts posting lots of "legal advice", it's usually because they're associated with or sympathetic to some sort of perverted anti-sex organization, and thus they're posting "reports" about legal difficulties incurred by persons participating in commercial sex activities in an attempt to discourage others from also getting laid.
Anyway, as it stands now, you guys are the ones who "accepted" Legal Eagle into the forum, so I'll leave it to all of you to ultimately determine the real motivation behind his posts.
Thanks,
Jackson
You really don't know anything, do you? Business entity is Soothing Sensations dba My1501. The dba Soothing Sensations is a totally separate, unincorporated entity.
From the Indiana Secretary of State's business records website. The SOS is the official keeper of corporate records for the state:
Date of incorporate is the same, business address is the same and so forth. The chances that these are separate business interests are approximately nil.
Notime Los
09-21-11, 17:44
USA Supreme Court has ruled that you must deliberately, distinctly, individually & separately invoke your 2 rights (to remain silent, & to have a defense lawyer present & representing you during questioning) so be aware that You must specificaly ask for the Presence of a defense lawyer to represent you in order to stop them from continuing to question You after you have invoked your right to remain silent (by saying "I refuse to answer answer any questions, or make any statements, until I have my lawyer present to counsel me.") I didn't want to throw to much out at one time, but you are absolutely correct. Most convictions begin with a confession. Mongers should practice this so they don't get wore down by a cop.
It all starts with reasonable suspicion.
Then whether or not you are detained.
Notime Los
09-21-11, 18:03
There are other forums that really do have a legal area, moderated by a real attorney. The boards are great for good local and sometimes international viewpoints of law. Some good healthy discussions have taken place.
This one seems to have elevated a pimp who has little or no knowledge of the legal system into a battle of wits with someone, who at the very least, has access to the ky court net.
The bottom line is it's become a completely fruitless waste of time. Pimp Troy, I don't really think anybody cares what you think you know or don't know. At the end of the day you take the cash you've made off the backs of women and go home to your wife. Good for you. Other than mindless bantering, you fail to bring any legal knowledge to this board.
I don't think you can harass people into submission of your ideas like you can your 'ho's. If we were all as dumb as the women working for you, I'm sure our hands would be busy doing things other than typing on a keyboard.
It kind of reminds me of school children who right or wrong, just have to have the last word. Is Legal and attorney? I'm not sure. If he starts citing case law I would be more convinced, but there's very little denying he has access to information. Does he have an agenda? I haven't seen one yet, other than handing people theiratss in conversation.
So maybe you could just PM each other till it gets old, and this thread could actually become a useful source of information and / or intelligent discussion that it was created to be. If not, maybe Jackson can create one called "bantering 101".
Peace.
You really don't know anything, do you? Business entity is Soothing Sensations dba My1501. The dba Soothing Sensations is a totally separate, unincorporated entity.Sorry StopTheBS, that isn't correct. On 2/28/11 an LLC (Limited Liability Company) was created and named Soothering Sensations, LLC.
Also on that same date a name was reserved for 120 days for possible future use being,"Studio 1501 LLC", ANOTHER Limited Liability Company, which expired on 6/28/11. At some date, usually the end of 1 yr that name will be available again; (if you want it).
The intention of this filing was to hold the name and possibly form another LLC, which as of this date did not happened. So there is not now an entity called Studio 1501, LLC or a dba of my1501, per the SOS Business Search.
More to your point StBS, Soothing Sensations, LLC does not have an alias or a dba; none. Per the SOS: "There are no other names on file for this Entity". If there was a dba it would be listed about half way down the page, but it clearly says NONE.
The Registered Agent for Soothing Sensations happens to be the same gentleman mentioned below in LE's post, who reserved the name of Studio 1501, LLC. But I repeat, the reservation of that name containing Studio 1501, LLC was in NO WAY intended to be used as a dba for SS or any other company. Just not how it works.
I'm not trying to get in the middle of this pissing contest but I happen to know quite a lot about the subject above. And NO, I am not an Atty. But I would match my knowledge on the subject of forming companies to any Atty in the land. Bottom line is, there is NO dba for SS, LLC and the ownership of the two entities is common, although the one was never finished or formed correctly.
Legal Eagle
09-21-11, 20:58
The original intent of my coming to the board was to do research on the company which previously employed my client. I've stated this in a number of posts, and I want to be clear that this was my first and only interest in the forum. That remains so to this day.
I did notice that incorrect information regarding the investigation was being circulated to the members of this board and, understanding the potential legal risks to those who clearly use the adult services available in the community, wanted to share the information that I possess in order to help those interested make informed decisions about how to respond (if at all) to law enforcement inquiries into their conduct. I did not believe the inaccuracies were deliberate or intentional; at least not at first. It was the insistence on the part of some participants on the board that others simply disregard the scope and seriousness of the investigation that led me to point out particular information and associations which might clarify whether you should rely on assertions that were being made regarding the investigation. The exchange soon degenerated into personal attacks (against me by Troy in various forms) and insults in response by me toward Troy. That was never the intent of my appearance or participation on this board. I don't know him personally, but the information that I've shared regarding the relationships noted is accurate. The importance of the information relates only to the risk to mongers in using services that are under scrutiny by law enforcement.
As I stated to Partay earlier, I will refrain from commenting to the extent that it detracts from the purpose of this thread: helping mongers understand events and incidents which may increase the risk of enjoying yourself. I offer no commentary on the skin game, as I've played a hand or two myself and will continue to play in the future. You may recall that I stated that there are many attractive and safe providers that are being unfairly attacked by those who actually create and then minimize the risk to mongers. I like to play safe and believe that the mongers here do as well.
And for the record, Marissa is off-the-charts hot. If she hadn't of been working where she was, I would still be bouncing her off the headboards.
Any updates on events Yesterday in court. Any news on "the list"
You yourself posted the ownership for 1501 that you found on Google that stated that Ivan was the owner yet you still are trying to throw Troy in there. If he owned, your research would've shown up. For some reason, you are trying to get people to quit going to the Stadium. The real place the Troy owns or leases as he says. The Stadium is my favorite place to go and a couple of the girls there are some of the best and it infuriates me that you are trying to hurt business for those girls. I could care less if you put Troy out of business, but you're personal vendetta against him is hurting the girls.
Your own research that YOU posted on this board showed the ownership. Now admit you are wrong and the Stadium and shut the f* up about it.
The original intent of my coming to the board was to do research on the company which previously employed my client. I've stated this in a number of posts, and I want to be clear that this was my first and only interest in the forum. That remains so to this day.
I did notice that incorrect information regarding the investigation was being circulated to the members of this board and, understanding the potential legal risks to those who clearly use the adult services available in the community, wanted to share the information that I possess in order to help those interested make informed decisions about how to respond (if at all) to law enforcement inquiries into their conduct. I did not believe the inaccuracies were deliberate or intentional; at least not at first. It was the insistence on the part of some participants on the board that others simply disregard the scope and seriousness of the investigation that led me to point out particular information and associations which might clarify whether you should rely on assertions that were being made regarding the investigation. The exchange soon degenerated into personal attacks (against me by Troy in various forms) and insults in response by me toward Troy. That was never the intent of my appearance or participation on this board. I don't know him personally, but the information that I've shared regarding the relationships noted is accurate. The importance of the information relates only to the risk to mongers in using services that are under scrutiny by law enforcement.
As I stated to Partay earlier, I will refrain from commenting to the extent that it detracts from the purpose of this thread: helping mongers understand events and incidents which may increase the risk of enjoying yourself. I offer no commentary on the skin game, as I've played a hand or two myself and will continue to play in the future. You may recall that I stated that there are many attractive and safe providers that are being unfairly attacked by those who actually create and then minimize the risk to mongers. I like to play safe and believe that the mongers here do as well.
And for the record, Marissa is off-the-charts hot. If she hadn't of been working where she was, I would still be bouncing her off the headboards.
Notime Los
09-22-11, 15:24
You yourself posted the ownership for 1501 that you found on Google that stated that Ivan was the owner yet you still are trying to throw Troy in there. If he owned, your research would've shown up. For some reason, you are trying to get people to quit going to the Stadium. The real place the Troy owns or leases as he says. The Stadium is my favorite place to go and a couple of the girls there are some of the best and it infuriates me that you are trying to hurt business for those girls. I could care less if you put Troy out of business, but you're personal vendetta against him is hurting the girls.
Your own research that YOU posted on this board showed the ownership. Now admit you are wrong and the Stadium and shut the f* up about it.Please just stop. If the girls are so worried about themselves, let them stop giving troy 50% of every visit and go independent. Oh wait, then they have to deal with a mad pimp.
Just a reminder for those who can't read, this is a Legal Discussion forum, not a "baby want to cry?" forum.
You're point (and I'm exaggerating) is mute.
Legal Eagle
09-22-11, 16:05
You yourself posted the ownership for 1501 that you found on Google that stated that Ivan was the owner yet you still are trying to throw Troy in there.That would be law enforcement, Troy. Refer back to the "reading is fundamental" discussion.
If he owned, your research would've shown up.I didn't say you owned My1501; I said that you and Ivan had an historic personal and business relationship. You admitted the former and cannot deny the latter. Where, precisely, do you believe this friendship originated?
For some reason, you are trying to get people to quit going to the Stadium. The real place the Troy owns or leases as he says.Actually, you denied ownership of the stadium as Johnballgame and admitted it as StoptheBS and TheRealTroy. It seems the medication is wearing off.
The Stadium is my favorite place to goMy home is my favorite place to be as well, especially the den. Large flat screen tv, wet bar and all the bagettes I can munch on. But I digress-
and a couple of the girls there are some of the best*cough* self-promotion *cough*
and it infuriates me that you are trying to hurt business for those girls.State and federal investigations have that effect, Troy. Credit where credit is due.
I could care less if you put Troy out of business.You have me convinced. Troy owns your favorite place, by the way, so if he goes out of business-
but you're personal vendetta against him is hurting the girls.If you had been in the "Johnballgame" personality when this discussion began, you'd know that I didn't start this on-going tet-a-tet. I'm simply responding to comments your other personalities are making on your behalf.
Your own research that YOU posted on this board showed the ownership.I was there when I posted it, Troy. In one personality, in fact.
Now admit you are wrong and the Stadium and shut the f* up about it.I'll get right on that. I'd actually have to be wrong first, of course.
For someone who claims to have "never met Troy," you seem personally invested in protecting "him." I wonder why that is? This from the guy who, in one visage, calls Troy the "scum of the earth." I will not play along and pretend you are not the person we all know you to be at this point, Troy. The schizophrenic fails to realize that others know what the schizophrenic is hearing and seeing is not real. This is what makes it a mental disorder, Troy. Find whichever personality understands and appreciates reality and clue them into this, please.
Your ostensible concern for the "girls that don't work for you" is as touching as it is false and superficial. I would be far more convinced of the sincerity of your concern if you didn't require a BJ as an audition for the job. Yes, that is the latest bit of information that came my way about you, Troy. Crocodile tears truly don't become you.
I don't take orders from you, incidentally. I'm not wrong and you know it. I never said you owned My1501. Try actually reading my posts before you comment. I discussed the historic personal and business relationship between you two (which is accurate) and the fact that the stadium came up during the My1501 investigation (which is also factual.) You admitted the former and cannot deny the latter. Given your admission about the relationship between yourself and Ivan, I'm surprised that you would be so "offended" by any discussion about the relationship between the two. Is it the girls or your pocket-book which truly concerns you, Troy? If anyone needs to "shut the f*ck up," it's you-in whatever guise you choose to shut the f*ck up in. Get over yourselves, chum.
It's much safer for the girls to work in an office with other girls than in a hotel alone. It's for their safety and they are never allowed to be there alone. Legal is saying the stadium is under investigation simply to put them out of business and that's just not right. I have no ties to 1501 or the stadium but I like some of the girls and what he is doing wrong.
Please just stop. If the girls are so worried about themselves, let them stop giving troy 50% of every visit and go independent. Oh wait, then they have to deal with a mad pimp.
Just a reminder for those who can't read, this is a Legal Discussion forum, not a "baby want to cry?" forum.
You're point (and I'm exaggerating) is mute.
Legal Eagle
09-22-11, 22:01
Any updates on events Yesterday in court. Any news on "the list"Each of the parties (save Perry) are tracking their court actions together. This indicates that a package deal is being hammered out and that the parties are working together to fashion a joint resolution which either gets the matter settled at once or requires a joint trial. Given that the court cases are being keep together, a separate trial for each defendant is unlikely. This is not unusual in situations where a single law enforcement investigation results in multiple people being charged as co-defendants.
Perry's court action is scheduled for a pretrial conference on October 3rd. The remaining defendants are scheduled for a pretrial conference on November 7th. No plea agreements have been reached as of yet. The issue of a factual proffer as part of a guilty plea (which facts each of the defendants will and will not admit to) is still being negotiated. The good news is that a trial date has not been set for those defendants facing misdemeanor charges. A negotiated settlement which will end this quietly is still possible.
The problem case is Perry's, of course. She is the only one among the defendants to be accused of a felony (the controlled substance charge.) This makes her more vulnerable to tougher negotiation tactics by the prosecution and, as such, makes her the weak link for those facing closer LEO scrutiny.
No updates on the issue of the list beyond its tender in discovery.
TheRealTroy
09-22-11, 22:40
LeaglEagle,
Put your name and money where your mouth is, or anyone else.
Here's my offer:
I do not know why, but you have chose to not prove any facts and slander me over and over, so when I find out who you are you will be served with some legal issues that hopefully will bring you to reality check that you are very deserving of.
Posters here is my propostion to you, Mr. Legal has taken this way to far, this person has presented no facts of me having any previous or ongoing business with the owners of 1501, he just wants to run off at the mouth and honestly I gave warning that there will be legal consequences if he slandered me again and he chose to anyway, so here is the proposition to you POSTERS.
1. if you can present me through pm on here who this legaleagle is and I can get it verified through legal avenues it is the correct person I will offer $$$$$ when the verification is validated.
2. the second proposition, to show I'm not on here to stir crap, but to be open and honest and set the record straight is this. For you leagle or any poster that thinks he is telling the truth, if you find and provide any legal document past or present that I had a business partnership / ownership or any business venture with the owners of 1501 I will personally meet and give you 5k on the spot. I put my money where my mouth is, now who in their right mind wouldn't want to collect on this, Leagle, now that you couldn't stop from bumping those gums, they might have just wrote checks your pencil pushing azz can't cash.
3. I can't wait now, people on this board, believe me I value money way to much to make a foolish propostion, so if legal is positive and sure of what he says, I'm sure anyone in their right mind would want a free 5k, so come on lawyerboy, show the goods, so I can pay you. Won't HAPPEN, CAUSE ITS A LIE!
P. S. Stopthebs, I don't know you, but would you please stop instigating this guy, its not good for anyone!
Legal Eagle
09-22-11, 23:38
It's much safer for the girls to work in an office with other girls than in a hotel alone. It's for their safety and they are never allowed to be there alone. Legal is saying the stadium is under investigation simply to put them out of business and that's just not right. I have no ties to 1501 or the stadium but I like some of the girls and what he is doing wrong.How do you claim to know any of this, BS? You've offered up repeatedly that you are simply a "client," yet you claim first-hand knowledge of:
-Troy's friends and associates.
-the alleged "absence" of law enforcement scrutiny.
-the alleged lack of business association between the two organizations.
-the business practices of the stadium (e. G, safety of the workers, central location vs. Hotel, etc.)
And so forth. You conclude by suggesting my agenda is to put the stadium out of business. If anyone has an apparent agenda, BS, it's you: keeping mongers coming to a place that is definitely hot at the moment. I don't believe I'm wrong about what is apparent in the thrust of your posts.
TheRealTroy
09-22-11, 23:49
Legal you say I had and can I deny having a business with 1501 that got busted a couple years back, I have 5 thousand reasons with presidents faces that are waiting to be given to you or anyone else to prove this lie. Ill be getting in touch, have fun on here. You a smart guy, and very witty and good at twisting words, to that I give you credit, but now its time to come clean, I'm on here as myself with nothing to hide, cause I can and was honest, I don't hide behind a keyboard and this has gotten old. See ya soon good ol buddy. I won't be posting again, I will check pm and will respond that way if anyone takes me for my offer I stated previously.
SlipperyDick
09-22-11, 23:50
LeaglEagle,
Put your name and money where your mouth is, or anyone else.
Here's my offer:
I do not know why, but you have chose to not prove any facts and slander me over and over, so when I find out who you are you will be served with some legal issues that hopefully will bring you to reality check that you are very deserving of.
Posters here is my propostion to you, Mr. Legal has taken this way to far, this person has presented no facts of me having any previous or ongoing business with the owners of 1501, he just wants to run off at the mouth and honestly I gave warning that there will be legal consequences if he slandered me again and he chose to anyway, so here is the proposition to you POSTERS.
1. If you can present me through pm on here who this legaleagle is and I can get it verified through legal avenues it is the correct person I will offer $$$$$ when the verification is validated.
2. The second proposition, to show I'm not on here to stir crap, but to be open and honest and set the record straight is this. For you leagle or any poster that thinks he is telling the truth, if you find and provide any legal document past or present that I had a business partnership / ownership or any business venture with the owners of 1501 I will personally meet and give you 5k on the spot. I put my money where my mouth is, now who in their right mind wouldn't want to collect on this, Leagle, now that you couldn't stop from bumping those gums, they might have just wrote checks your pencil pushing azz can't cash.
3. I can't wait now, people on this board, believe me I value money way to much to make a foolish propostion, so if legal is positive and sure of what he says, I'm sure anyone in their right mind would want a free 5k, so come on lawyerboy, show the goods, so I can pay you. Won't HAPPEN, CAUSE ITS A LIE!
P. S. Stopthebs, I don't know you, but would you please stop instigating this guy, its not good for anyone!I don't know much about this, but strikes me as odd that ava and randi worked at Soothing Sensations for a pretty long time and then we find out Deleon (owner of 1501) does an LLC on SS a few months ago and then Troy posted here that he "only had Randi at the stadium for 6 mos" so that would mean the girls went to the Stadium the same month Deleon did an LLC on the company. Seems awfully coincidental to have not been a business deal. All of a sudden Deleon owns the girls and they go work for Troy.
Legal Eagle
09-23-11, 00:06
Here's my offer:
I do not know why, but you have chose to not prove any facts and slander me over and over, so when I find out who you are you will be served with some legal issues that hopefully will bring you to reality check that you are very deserving of.This means you are denying that you are the proprietor behind the stadium; a fact that you have publicly conceded. All that's necessary to prove is that you own / lease / rent a location where prostitution occurs. It also means asset tracing, lease reviews and subpoenaing of tax registration information for yourself, those who lease from you and depositions on the public record about the nature of your business and personal relationships with your "tenants" and the proprietors behind My1501. Heaven help you if you've used a single alias in a burn phone traceable to you,"Trey W." (not his real name.) I may just take you up on this offer. I'll pay you the courtesy of an opportunity to warn your "tenants" what's ahead before we begin.
Posters here is my propostion to you, Mr. Legal has taken this way to far, this person has presented no facts of me having any previous or ongoing business with the owners of 1501, he just wants to run off at the mouth and honestly I gave warning that there will be legal consequences if he slandered me again and he chose to anyway, so here is the proposition to you POSTERS.So you did. See you in court. You will definitely be on my home turf, Troy.
1. If you can present me through pm on here who this legaleagle is and I can get it verified through legal avenues it is the correct person I will offer $$$$$ when the verification is validated.I'm flattered. You're going to be out much more than that before this is over. Trust me.
2. The second proposition, to show I'm not on here to stir crap, but to be open and honest and set the record straight is this. For you leagle or any poster that thinks he is telling the truth, if you find and provide any legal document past or present that I had a business partnership / ownership or any business venture with the owners of 1501 I will personally meet and give you 5k on the spot.Is that direct proof, Troy, or does that include proof of your association with those whose names appear on leases, court citations and so forth?
I put my money where my mouth is, now who in their right mind wouldn't want to collect on this, Leagle, now that you couldn't stop from bumping those gums, they might have just wrote checks your pencil pushing azz can't cash.I back up legal claims everyday in court, chum. That is truly not the place you want to take me on. You'll find this out soon enough.
3. I can't wait now, people on this board, believe me I value money way to much to make a foolish propostion, so if legal is positive and sure of what he says, I'm sure anyone in their right mind would want a free 5k, so come on lawyerboy, show the goods, so I can pay you. Won't HAPPEN, CAUSE ITS A LIE!If you say so.
P. S. Stopthebs, I don't know you, but would you please stop instigating this guy, its not good for anyone!Particularly not you. Odd coincidence that with each post you prove your use of aliases on this board.
OK, Marshall Dillon. If you want the "I" to be dotted and "T" crossed (which appears to be the case, pun definitely intended,) you've got it. If nothing else proves the nonsense of your denials, Troy, this challenge definitely does. A "landlord" pays money for proof negating a business relationship that he has himself denied? Good luck with this, Troy. If you want to throw down a gauntlet, so be it.
Please just stop. If the girls are so worried about themselves, let them stop giving troy 50% of every visit and go independent. Oh wait, then they have to deal with a mad pimp. Just a reminder for those who can't read, this is a Legal Discussion forum, not a "baby want to cry?" forum."I second that emotion!"
You're point (and I'm exaggerating) is mute.The LEGAL term you're refering to is "moot" which has as the one portion of its definition applicable here "having NO LEGAL significance"
B' t' w' for those of us who don't scrupulously proof-read meticulously before posting: "you're" (contraction for "you are" as a phrase) is not the same as "your" (personal possessive pronoun).
TheRealTroy
09-23-11, 09:38
Legaleagle you claim in that post 1501 and myself had a business together a few years back that got busted, again you are full of it, you have over stepped the line and its time you back it up. Posters, lurkers, admin I have 5 thousand dead presidents in my pocket waiting to give to him he he show this is in any form a true statement, for that matter anyone. I'm done defending myself, to a person that hides behind a screen, you want drama my friend, I think you found you some, the other offer stands as well $$$$$ to anyone of you who can identify this person and his identity be validated, maybe then we can bring alot of truths to light. You or anyone can pm if you want to be kept anonymous, thanks.
The drama is so thick you could cut it with knife. We have some real money on the table. Then damnit I find that I'm out of popcorn!
Ok, running out to sav-a-step for popcorn and beer!
Brb.
Legal Eagle
09-23-11, 11:50
Legaleagle you claim in that post 1501 and myself had a business together a few years back that got busted, again you are full of it, you have over stepped the line and its time you back it up. Posters, lurkers, admin I have 5 thousand dead presidents in my pocket waiting to give to him he he show this is in any form a true statement, for that matter anyone. I'm done defending myself, to a person that hides behind a screen, you want drama my friend, I think you found you some, the other offer stands as well $$$$$ to anyone of you who can identify this person and his identity be validated, maybe then we can bring alot of truths to light. You or anyone can pm if you want to be kept anonymous, thanks.Try bringing a simple truth to light as an initial matter, Troy. Have you used the name "Johnballgame" as an alias on this board-yes or no?
Notime Los
09-23-11, 12:35
"I second that emotion!"
The LEGAL term you're refering to is "moot" which has as the one portion of its definition applicable here "having NO LEGAL significance"
B' t' w' for those of us who don't scrupulously proof-read meticulously before posting: "you're" (contraction for "you are" as a phrase) is not the same as "your" (personal possessive pronoun).For the clarification. Can I pm other stuff to you for proof reading?
; o)
SlipperyDick
09-23-11, 12:36
"I second that emotion!"
The LEGAL term you're refering to is "moot" which has as the one portion of its definition applicable here "having NO LEGAL significance"
B' t' w' for those of us who don't scrupulously proof-read meticulously before posting: "you're" (contraction for "you are" as a phrase) is not the same as "your" (personal possessive pronoun).Why are you here? What is the purpose of all of your posts?
Legal Eagle
09-23-11, 17:31
I don't know much about this, but strikes me as odd that ava and randi worked at Soothing Sensations for a pretty long time and then we find out Deleon (owner of 1501) does an LLC on SS a few months ago and then Troy posted here that he "only had Randi at the stadium for 6 mos" so that would mean the girls went to the Stadium the same month Deleon did an LLC on the company. Seems awfully coincidental to have not been a business deal. All of a sudden Deleon owns the girls and they go work for Troy.It is refreshing to know that someone else pays heed to the calendar. I'll pause and wait for Troy to explain that it was all just a coincidence. This wasn't the beginning of that association, however. Stayed tuned; lots of great reading ahead.
TheSportScout
09-23-11, 22:10
My Dad passed away Saturday afternoon. I am still in California burying him, spending time with my fam and helping my Mom get paperwork, etc in order. She's really not in a position to handle all this herself so I thought it would be okay to stay away from this board and help her a bit. I hate to worry or upset you seeing that you missed me! Is that okay with you? Or do I have requirements per what you THINK I ought to be doing? There isn't a monger on here who posts every day or even every week, why do I have to? Life happens! I'll check in with you next time I leave town or want to take a few days off from conversing on this site so you won't worry and "hmmmm" all over yourself (yourselves).
To the rest of you who have PM me in the past week, I'll respond Monday when I expect to be back in town if all goes as planned. Oh, and I'm bringing plenty of popcorn back with me, enough to share with everyone (almost everyone).Very sorry to hear that you lost your father. Regardless of age, health or distance, loosing your father is never easy. I was 17 when I lost my father. I wish for you and your family peace and understanding at this difficult time.
For the clarification. Can I pm other stuff to you for proof reading?You may if it pleases you: I won't charge for any of my copy_editing or proofreading services but I won't make any promises about how prompt the turnaround may be! You may have noticed that I'm somewhat compulsive\obsessive about ELEMENTARY grammar & spelling, punctuation, & vocabulary: I'm the product of an "old school" university education where we were REQUIRED to read thoroughly for content, think analytically, & compose our public speech & written publications accurately & correctly.
Now I'm posting on this "hobby" forum (+ 2 others) because I've been an active "hobbyist" since before the internet was known to anyone other than DARPA "techies" & computer "geeks" (albeit I'm now nearly retired due to age-related health & financial issues) who wishes to help "mentor" younger hobbyists & quality providers with whatever nuggets of knowledge or wisdom I may have gained. However I'm also here to learn (as I have from you, young Sir, in your elucidation on dealing w' strippers) because as another truly wise man may have once said "the wise man knows that there is so much knowledge that he does not yet know"!
I'm only able to compose on, & post from, my Droid2 phone during "dead" time (usually late at night at work) so I've not yet learned if there is any way to compose or edit materials off-line & then copy them to here to post.
I generally overlook the MIS-use of "your" in place of "you're"{"you are"} as just haste in typing, but since using "you're" (where "your" is the correct word) means the writer used 2 extra "keystrokes" (+ possibly 1 or 2 "shift" keystrokes\touches) that seems to me to be an issue of proofreading!
Thank you, young Sir, for your excellent educational work & informational writing; I anticipate continuing to read your publications w' great interest! My best regards; sincerely: A K
Why are you here? What is the purpose of all of your posts?I've been an active "hobbyist" since before Al Gore was inventing the internet! {Maybe you'RE too young to "get" that joke? } Suffice it to say that I was around this activity that is now called "the hobby" back when the internet was solely the province of DARPA scientists\"techies" & computer "geeks"! I've had my share of bad experiences as well as good ones. I'm on here (+ 2 other sites) to share info & knowledge so that we all, both guys & quality provider_gals, can have happier & safer & more satisfying app't's! I want to share info I've become aware of & knowledge I've gained by either experience or study; & I'm eager to get feedback to learn if any of my info is erroneous, or if my experience is atypical, or if my studied knowledge is defective! I'm also an educated reader who appreciates & encourages quality writing! I like to read publications that are clear, & are informative &\or knowledgeable &\or creative\entertaining: poor proofreading & sloppy typography detracts from that by being irritating (& sometimes unclear) so that I'm distracted from concentrating on the content. Lastly: even though I'm old & don't "hobby" much now (age-related health & financial issues) I generally enjoy coming to Louisville when I'm able, & some of my best "hobby" experiences have been there; but, although I wasn't ever at My1501, some of my other favorite places have fallen to "uncle's" heavy hand in the last couple years so I feel I have my own "vested interest" in trying to restore Louisville to its' previous "hobby" greatness by whatever contributions I can share, or info & knowledge I can learn, about having app't's that are happy (for me & other good-guys) as well as ensuring that we have an enticing & expansive (note that I said "expAnsive" not "expEnsive" although high$ quality should always be an option for those who can afford) selection of talent available in safety!
SlipperyDick
09-24-11, 10:19
My Dad passed away Saturday afternoon. I am still in California burying him, spending time with my fam and helping my Mom get paperwork, etc in order. She's really not in a position to handle all this herself so I thought it would be okay to stay away from this board and help her a bit. I hate to worry or upset you seeing that you missed me! Is that okay with you? Or do I have requirements per what you THINK I ought to be doing? There isn't a monger on here who posts every day or even every week, why do I have to? Life happens! I'll check in with you next time I leave town or want to take a few days off from conversing on this site so you won't worry and "hmmmm" all over yourself (yourselves).
To the rest of you who have PM me in the past week, I'll respond Monday when I expect to be back in town if all goes as planned. Oh, and I'm bringing plenty of popcorn back with me, enough to share with everyone (almost everyone).Sorry to hear about the loss of your father. I too lost my father only a year ago. It's tough! Hang in there! And I look forward to sharing info when you return.
I meant to add that I also post because, where I live out here in this bible_belt farm-country small_town, I have no fellow hobbyists (or even any providers) to converse & socialize with: as someone in another thread here remarked "this is not the subject that you can just start discussing with just whoever happens to be sitting next to you at the coffee_shop or diner, or even at most bars!" So posting here is my hobby fellowship & socializing!
Notime Los
09-24-11, 12:11
I am kind of laughing for calling me young sir, we're probably close in age, especially if the computers we first used had punch cards and tapes.
You may if it pleases you: I won't charge for any of my copy_editing or proofreading services but I won't make any promises about how prompt the turnaround may be! You may have noticed that I'm somewhat compulsive\obsessive about ELEMENTARY grammar & spelling, punctuation, & vocabulary: I'm the product of an "old school" university education where we were REQUIRED to read thoroughly for content, think analytically, & compose our public speech & written publications accurately & correctly.
Now I'm posting on this "hobby" forum (+ 2 others) because I've been an active "hobbyist" since before the internet was known to anyone other than DARPA "techies" & computer "geeks" (albeit I'm now nearly retired due to age-related health & financial issues) who wishes to help "mentor" younger hobbyists & quality providers with whatever nuggets of knowledge or wisdom I may have gained. However I'm also here to learn (as I have from you, young Sir, in your elucidation on dealing w' strippers) because as another truly wise man may have once said "the wise man knows that there is so much knowledge that he does not yet know"!
I'm only able to compose on, & post from, my Droid2 phone during "dead" time (usually late at night at work) so I've not yet learned if there is any way to compose or edit materials off-line & then copy them to here to post.
I generally overlook the MIS-use of "your" in place of "you're"{"you are"} as just haste in typing, but since using "you're" (where "your" is the correct word) means the writer used 2 extra "keystrokes" (+ possibly 1 or 2 "shift" keystrokes\touches) that seems to me to be an issue of proofreading!
Thank you, young Sir, for your excellent educational work & informational writing; I anticipate continuing to read your publications w' great interest! My best regards; sincerely: A K
SlipperyDick
09-24-11, 16:07
I've been an active "hobbyist" since before Al Gore was inventing the internet! {Maybe you'RE too young to "get" that joke? } Suffice it to say that I was around this activity that is now called "the hobby" back when the internet was solely the province of DARPA scientists\"techies" & computer "geeks"! I've had my share of bad experiences as well as good ones. I'm on here (+ 2 other sites) to share info & knowledge so that we all, both guys & quality provider_gals, can have happier & safer & more satisfying app't's! I want to share info I've become aware of & knowledge I've gained by either experience or study; & I'm eager to get feedback to learn if any of my info is erroneous, or if my experience is atypical, or if my studied knowledge is defective! I'm also an educated reader who appreciates & encourages quality writing! I like to read publications that are clear, & are informative &\or knowledgeable &\or creative\entertaining: poor proofreading & sloppy typography detracts from that by being irritating (& sometimes unclear) so that I'm distracted from concentrating on the content. Lastly: even though I'm old & don't "hobby" much now (age-related health & financial issues) I generally enjoy coming to Louisville when I'm able, & some of my best "hobby" experiences have been there; but, although I wasn't ever at My1501, some of my other favorite places have fallen to "uncle's" heavy hand in the last couple years so I feel I have my own "vested interest" in trying to restore Louisville to its' previous "hobby" greatness by whatever contributions I can share, or info & knowledge I can learn, about having app't's that are happy (for me & other good-guys) as well as ensuring that we have an enticing & expansive (note that I said "expAnsive" not "expEnsive" although high$ quality should always be an option for those who can afford) selection of talent available in safety!Sounds good to me!
Legal Eagle
09-25-11, 09:59
Given the lack of patience on the part of at least one poster in this thread, I have decided that a "preview of coming attractions" of sorts is in order.
The organization hosting the location of the stadium is actually a real estate investment group composed of several individuals. This group is based in Louisville, and holds financial interests in a number of different properties and businesses within and outside Louisville. At least one individual within this group-the Kentucky contingent-also has ownership interests in a transportation company which operated between Kentucky and Indiana.
The Indiana entrepreneur that we've heard so much about likewise has investments in real estate both in Kentucky and Indiana. The legal portion of his organization is one easily discernible from a quick glance at the businesses associated with his name. For those reading ahead in this novelette, you know that his interests includes a real estate title company involved in both real estate management and title-related services. He is also an investor; purchasing properties with any eye toward increasing its value for use and potential sale. What you may not know is that this person likewise owned-you guessed it-a transportation company.
Why, you might ask, do organizations hosting "relaxation" services require real estate management and investment services and, quite coincidentally, transportation services in their respective financial portfolios? Is it simply because those ventures are, in and of themselves, potentially profitable?
Or it is something else that relates these three particular branches of service, mongers?
If you've made the connection, you understand the basis for the ongoing law enforcement investigation into My1501 and the stadium operations. You may also understand why what on the surface appears to be a simple prostitution sting has continued to receive attention from both state and federal law enforcement agencies. Add to this the singular criminal charge faced by the straggler among the Forbidden Five. I mentioned something awhile back about possible "Mann Act" implications. You may also now appreciate why my client felt the need to seek legal advice when she has yet to be charged.
But then this all could just be an unfortunate coincidence; one which you are free to disregard and ignore. Check the playground for bullies before removing your marbles from their bag, mongers. Cats-eyes are the most valuable among them.
Safe mongering, all.
I feel unclean after reading all that.
My penchant for popcorn has now turned to pepto. This is going to get ugly isn't it?
Bon Denver
09-25-11, 21:22
If you're posting in this thread, check your inbox to see if you've reached the max amount of messages aloud. If it reaches a hundred, you aren't able to recieve any additional mail until it is cleared. I'm trying to send a PM to someone but the inbox is full and it won't go through.
Bon Denver
09-26-11, 01:47
Originally Posted by Legal Eagle
How do you claim to know any of this, BS? You've offered up repeatedly that you are simply a "client," yet you claim first-hand knowledge of:
-Troy's friends and associates.
-the alleged "absence" of law enforcement scrutiny.
-the alleged lack of business association between the two organizations.
-the business practices of the stadium (e. G, safety of the workers, central location vs. Hotel, etc.)
And so forth.
All it takes is a few questions to providers and you can learn all you want to know. Of course, fake attorneys wouldn't guess to do that.StopTheBS, your response to Legal's questions are that you "know the inside scoop on the stadium, on Troy and his friends, his business relationships, etc", because "providers" tell you everything when you ask them? So you are saying, you walk into your sessions and quiz your providers on 'everything there is to know about THE TROY' and they tell you and it is GOLD for being the TRUTH, the whole TRUTH and nothing BUT the TRUTH, so help you "Rocket Scientist?" BTW, is that exciting 'session conversation for you?' Is that does it for you? Makes you swell? Gets you hard? So is it the provider or you that screams out the name, "THE TROY" during the hs? Maybe you do it together!
And you're pretty much spot-on when you say that attorneys wouldn't "guess" to do that during a session, that's because attorneys can "THINK" (we're just good like that) of more stimulating conversation other than, "THE TROY" during play time.
**Now it's time for intermission: Looking for info on the new place Hott Rocks! Been dying to see Hailey, but not sure she is doing sessions or not, does anyone know for sure? PM or post.
Legal Eagle
09-26-11, 03:09
I feel unclean after reading all that.
My penchant for popcorn has now turned to pepto. This is going to get ugly isn't it?Not by my hand, Sunycide. Troy asked for specifics and actually posted a bounty for information which he mistakenly believes will aid him in shoring up the information leaks into his organization. What he fails to realize is that I am simply following the same trail that law enforcement has followed and continues to follow. The bell was rung long before I started posting here. I was simply attempting to share the information so that those concerned could adjust according. He doesn't believe (or at least is motivated to deny in public) that concern is appropriate or even necessary.
As Lon Chaney noted in his "StoptheBS" guise,"it doesn't take a rocket scientist."
This is my final post with regard to the My1501-stadium issue, as I've been told in no uncertain terms that "I've already said too much"-and not for the reason our benefactor thinks. Should I come across additional information that will help, I'll be sure to respond via PM on this issue, and post information about other investigations as it comes across my desk. Timing is everything, mongers; it does little good to wax poetic about standing in a minefield once you're standing in a minefield. The better practice is to scout the terrain before you walk on it.
Two business travelers and strangers to each other come out of a hotel at the same time needing a ride to the airport. There's one cab and they share the ride. Not a word is said between the two on the way. Yet, the night before they were on this board flaming the daylights out of each other.
True? The point is true.
This is a message board for johns and escorts. It is not a weapon.
There is no point challenging anyone whose sole satisfaction comes from arguing and complaining.
Not once in my statement did I say I asked during a session Maybe you just gave away your fantasies
If you two are really attorneys, them I'm a chick.
StopTheBS, your response to Legal's questions are that you "know the inside scoop on the stadium, on Troy and his friends, his business relationships, etc", because "providers" tell you everything when you ask them? So you are saying, you walk into your sessions and quiz your providers on 'everything there is to know about THE TROY' and they tell you and it is GOLD for being the TRUTH, the whole TRUTH and nothing BUT the TRUTH, so help you "Rocket Scientist?" BTW, is that exciting 'session conversation for you? ' Is that does it for you? Makes you swell? Gets you hard? So is it the provider or you that screams out the name,"THE TROY" during the hs? Maybe you do it together!
And you're pretty much spot-on when you say that attorneys wouldn't "guess" to do that during a session, that's because attorneys can "THINK" (we're just good like that) of more stimulating conversation other than,"THE TROY" during play time.
*Now it's time for intermission: Looking for info on the new place Hott Rocks! Been dying to see Hailey, but not sure she is doing sessions or not, does anyone know for sure? PM or post.
Guess you finally found out you were wrong about the ownership. Huh? I knew you weren't as dumb as you were acting.
QUOTE=Legal Eagle; 1284862]Not by my hand, Sunycide. Troy asked for specifics and actually posted a bounty for information which he mistakenly believes will aid him in shoring up the information leaks into his organization. What he fails to realize is that I am simply following the same trail that law enforcement has followed and continues to follow. The bell was rung long before I started posting here. I was simply attempting to share the information so that those concerned could adjust according. He doesn't believe (or at least is motivated to deny in public) that concern is appropriate or even necessary.
As Lon Chaney noted in his "StoptheBS" guise,"it doesn't take a rocket scientist."
This is my final post with regard to the My1501-stadium issue, as I've been told in no uncertain terms that "I've already said too much"-and not for the reason our benefactor thinks. Should I come across additional information that will help, I'll be sure to respond via PM on this issue, and post information about other investigations as it comes across my desk. Timing is everything, mongers; it does little good to wax poetic about standing in a minefield once you're standing in a minefield. The better practice is to scout the terrain before you walk on it.[/QUOTE]
Bon Denver
09-27-11, 00:37
If you two are really attorneys, them I'm a chick.Yes indeed, you are Sybil. I saw the movie.
You know, I don't think I will be posting to this nonsense any more either. None of this is relevant information nor is it entertaining. I have a person I am responding to with an IQ of probably about 70 and they want to argue like an elementary child and I am playing along. And for what? One should never argue with a child. It will just go on and on and waste both my time and yours. All of the more intelligent posters are in the threads above posting about p*sswhy and I am down here playing nonsense games. I suppose until something relevant surfaces, I won't be found in this thread. Everything will be out soon enough and the proof will be in the courts and then in the news. Of that I am certain. I owe you no proof on this thread, neither does anyone else. Hell, you can't even come clean as to who you are, but we are suppose to take you seriously and also provide you with proof? Call it what you will. You won? Only in this thread, but in the reality of things in the real world, there is not a chance of that. BTW, is the $5,000 being paid if evidence is submitted in court?
Time for me to get back to play time, it's been too long. Way the hell too long!
Legal Eagle
09-27-11, 03:32
Guess you finally found out you were wrong about the ownership. Huh? I knew you weren't as dumb as you were acting.Not wrong, BS; simply letting the rest of the investigation take its course. I cannot continue to address this without naming individuals that haven't chosen to become part of this. It's all public record in any case. You should refrain from personal insults and simply stick to the facts as many on this board have suggested. The truth is plain and obvious, and will reveal itself for those who amazingly continue to question it soon enough.
I don't know whether you are a chick, BS, but I do know that you are ignorantly-persistent. Remember that when you lay down with a dog, you will inevitably catch its fleas. Word to the wise, Ms. BS.
You really think I would reveal who I am on this board? Ok. Tell you what. I will give my full name and my home addresson here, but you first.
I'm simply a monger that enjoys the sport, though I once looked into ownership so I asked many questions even to the people you accuse. Both of you accuse, yet not once have you given proof. Hell eagle even provided proof of ownership of 1501 and still is arguing that what he provided is inaccurate. His proof showed one man as owner. ONE. That's what makes me angry. You two are just bullying on here to protect one provider that some if us think is fat. Period. Bottomline.
Yes indeed, you are Sybil. I saw the movie.
You know, I don't think I will be posting to this nonsense any more either. None of this is relevant information nor is it entertaining. I have a person I am responding to with an IQ of probably about 70 and they want to argue like an elementary child and I am playing along. And for what? One should never argue with a child. It will just go on and on and waste both my time and yours. All of the more intelligent posters are in the threads above posting about p*sswhy and I am down here playing nonsense games. I suppose until something relevant surfaces, I won't be found in this thread. Everything will be out soon enough and the proof will be in the courts and then in the news. Of that I am certain. I owe you no proof on this thread, neither does anyone else. Hell, you can't even come clean as to who you are, but we are suppose to take you seriously and also provide you with proof? Call it what you will. You won? Only in this thread, but in the reality of things in the real world, there is not a chance of that. BTW, is the $5, 000 being paid if evidence is submitted in court?
Time for me to get back to play time, it's been too long. Way the hell too long!
Legal Eagle
09-28-11, 08:38
You really think I would reveal who I am on this board? Ok. Tell you what. I will give my full name and my home addresson here, but you first.But you would "out" 'The Troy? ' Glass houses and all that, BS. Your conduct doesn't surprise me, of course. When you're revealing your own identity, that rule of restraint doesn't apply.
I'm simply a monger that enjoys the sport, though I once looked into ownership so I asked many questions even to the people you accuse.You describe questions which no owner or provider working for an existing owner would ever answer for a potential competitor, BS. They don't reveal their ownership status to anyone in public or, according to the "poker friend" you offered up, privately. They would only discuss operations and ownership relationships with someone already invested in the game, and even then only the most trusted allies amongst them.
Are you certain you are simply a "client," BS? You are as much a simple client as "The Troy" is a simple landlord, in my humble opinion. While I won't speak for others, I certain that I am not alone is believing this.
Both of you accuse, yet not once have you given proof.I spelled it out for you, BS. You are not dealing simply with individuals; you are dealing with business entities. But then you already know this.
Hell eagle even provided proof of ownership of 1501 and still is arguing that what he provided is inaccurate. His proof showed one man as owner. ONE. That's what makes me angry.I believe you meant that YOU are arguing that my information is inaccurate. There is no contradiction in what I've stated. Notice the whip in my hand, BS-Stopper? I am about to flog the proverbial dead horse, so brace yourself:
Troy and Ivan have an historic personal and business relationship which predates both My1501 and the stadium.I did not say the two of you owned My1501 jointly. If this is the source of your continuing confusion, you should be clear now. The investigation into My1501 led to inquiries into the stadium operation (ergo,"The Troy's" operations.)
If you deny you had a pre-existing business relationship, explain why you believe this to be the case. Thus far you have simply denied it, but have yet to explain how a simple "landlord" could have repeated contact with law enforcement-and always with regard to clandestine "relaxation" activities. Contrast this with your claim to have "immediately evicted 'Sam' following her bust" once you "found out" what she was doing and you'll understand why your repeated claims of "neutrality" cannot be reconciled with repeated claims of "inside knowledge," BS. Consider the sport you're discussing and the contradiction is plain and obvious. It is as though you are attempting, zealously, to deny the nose to spite the face. This is why your clearly unsuccessful, albeit relentless, defense of the connection between the two organizations is so puzzling and ultimately inaccurate.
I've never seen so many people versed in HTML in my life!
When does the ball really drop (I. E. Court proceedings begin)?
Carry on!
Legal Eagle
09-28-11, 18:35
From the August 23rd Louisville Crime Report:
Date: August 23, 2011 (Tuesday)
Details: Case Number: 8011067946.
Suspect: Age 23 Sex F.
Details: ABOVE IS A KNOWN CONVICTED PROSTITUTE AND WAS OBSERVED AIMLESSLY WALKING SOUTH ON DIXIE WHERE SHE COMMONLY "WORKS". ABOVE WAS WALKING IN A MANNER TO DRAW ATTENTION FROM PASSING VEHICLES ALONG W / HALF HER PANTS LOW AND HER UNDER GARMENTS SHOWING, A COMMON TACTIC USED BY PROSTITUTES TO DRAW ATTENTION. WHEN APPROACHED BY OFFICER AND ASKED WHAT SHE WAS UP TO, ABOVE STATED SHE WAS WORKING AND USING PROTECTION. WHEN ASKED WHAT ABOVE HAD IN HER POCKETS, ABOVE PRODUCED A LARGE HANDFUL OF CONDOMS.
Charges: ProstitutionNow THAT'S comedy (LOL.)
Legal Eagle
09-28-11, 19:01
I've never seen so many people versed in HTML in my life!
When does the ball really drop (I. E. Court proceedings begin)?
Carry on!Point taken and stored for future reference, Sunycide.
The Forbidden Five have separate upcoming court dates. All the defendants except for Perry have a pretrial conference scheduled for November 7th at 1:30 pm No case settlements have been reached, and the defendants are awaiting any additional police reports and investigative summaries pending the November date. If any of the misdemeanor cases are settled, this court appearance will be used to enter those pleas into the record. Any statements made by the defendants as part of the case settlements will be made a part of the record during this proceeding as well.
Perry has a court date scheduled for October 3rd at 2:00 pm Her case is scheduled for a pretrial conference as well. The distinction for Perry is the felony possession charge she is facing. The prosecution will have to decide whether to amend this to a lesser-included misdemeanor offense and resolve it with the pending misdemeanor charges or proceed toward an indictment as a prelude to a jury trial. If you truly want to know where this investigation is headed, watch Perry's case closely; it will serve as a bell-weather for the scope of the defendants (present and potential) included in any necessary multiple-defendant trial.
Deleon and Kaufman have yet to be charged in state court. The prosecution will decide how to charge them once the Forbidden Five have completed any evidence proffers (what they say and agree to do as part of their plea negotiations.) The US Attorney's Office is also screening the evidence to determine whether a concomitant federal indictment will be brought. The players are being lined up for any initial indictment in the US District Court.
To see a blueprint for how this process works, take a look at the link below. Most of you are probably familiar with this case:
http://www2.tricities.com/news/2011/may/09/nine-indicted-federal-prostitution-charges-greenev-ar-1027027/
Deleon and Kaufman have yet to be charged in state court. The prosecution will decide how to charge them once the Forbidden Five have completed any evidence proffers (what they say and agree to do as part of their plea negotiations.) The US Attorney's Office is also screening the evidence to determine whether a concomitant federal indictment will be brought. The players are being lined up for any initial indictment in the US District Court.
To see a blueprint for how this process works, take a look at the link below. Most of you are probably familiar with this case:
http://www2.tricities.com/news/2011/may/09/nine-indicted-federal-prostitution-charges-greenev-ar-1027027/Just cause I'm nosey as shit, let's assume the worse for all parties involved. Knowing what you know about the case, check that, with your knowledge of the legal system, what is the worse case scenario for everybody? What kind of fines or jail time could any of the players get?
Now I know there is what they COULD get and what they WILL get. I guess I'm just wondering how bad this could possibly get.
Also, are Deleon and Kaufman the head of the snake or is that just the tip of another iceberg, assuming you even know or are at liberty to say.
This is better then Law and Order! Thanks!
P
Legal Eagle
09-30-11, 15:45
Just cause I'm nosey as shit, let's assume the worse for all parties involved. Knowing what you know about the case, check that, with your knowledge of the legal system, what is the worse case scenario for everybody? What kind of fines or jail time could any of the players get?
Now I know there is what they COULD get and what they WILL get. I guess I'm just wondering how bad this could possibly get.
Also, are Deleon and Kaufman the head of the snake or is that just the tip of another iceberg, assuming you even know or are at liberty to say.
This is better then Law and Order! Thanks!
PMy1501 was operated independently as an LLC, Sunycide, but was in fact part of a larger pool of sex-industry operations that sipped from the same wellspring, in a manner of speaking. The criminal investigation has revealed links to other local operations and individuals whom law enforcement has wanted for some time due to their prostitution-related activities. Mongers who have been in this game for awhile will recognize several of the names associated with the local market once this investigation reaches the indictment stage.
The way these cases work is to establish which groups or companies operate in a given area and establish the ties between them. These ties often take the form of rotation of providers between and among the groups, rental or purchase of real estate to be used as a base of operations through identifiable, common or inter-related real estate agencies, interstate travel and other business activities linking the groups together. They also uniformly tend to use legitimate businesses as front operations to mask the true source of their wealth. It is no coincidence that these individuals socialize together, patronize the same businesses, recruit providers from the same sources and so forth. Individuals within the groups may argue that they operate separately, but a check into their inter-relationships reveals a much different picture.
If the prosecution can establish the links in a persuasive manner before a jury, the potential penalties can reach up to twenty years incarceration and fines and costs totaling more than a quarter of a million dollars. There is also the specter of seizure and forfeiture of business-related and personal assets traceable to illegal income. Those convicted of these offenses usually spend several years behind bars and rely on outside supporters to help them restart their operations (if possible) once they are released.
Is that the place on Dixie? I had a buddy who went a couple of times and I started to go but never made it after work.
Primarily due to the close nature of two states and high degree of potential for interstate trafficing of females for illegal purposes. What you say to this Counselor?
This is sort the wire fraud charge of prostitution. A catch all so to speak when interstate illegal activity is involved. I believe the Mann Act has been used recently for other similar prosecutions. Holy shite Batman, these folks have much bigger problems than dealing with the Penguin.
My1501 was operated independently as an LLC, Sunycide, but was in fact part of a larger pool of sex-industry operations that sipped from the same wellspring, in a manner of speaking. The criminal investigation has revealed links to other local operations and individuals whom law enforcement has wanted for some time due to their prostitution-related activities. Mongers who have been in this game for awhile will recognize several of the names associated with the local market once this investigation reaches the indictment stage.
The way these cases work is to establish which groups or companies operate in a given area and establish the ties between them. These ties often take the form of rotation of providers between and among the groups, rental or purchase of real estate to be used as a base of operations through identifiable, common or inter-related real estate agencies, interstate travel and other business activities linking the groups together. They also uniformly tend to use legitimate businesses as front operations to mask the true source of their wealth. It is no coincidence that these individuals socialize together, patronize the same businesses, recruit providers from the same sources and so forth. Individuals within the groups may argue that they operate separately, but a check into their inter-relationships reveals a much different picture.
If the prosecution can establish the links in a persuasive manner before a jury, the potential penalties can reach up to twenty years incarceration and fines and costs totaling more than a quarter of a million dollars. There is also the specter of seizure and forfeiture of business-related and personal assets traceable to illegal income. Those convicted of these offenses usually spend several years behind bars and rely on outside supporters to help them restart their operations (if possible) once they are released.
Notime Los
10-03-11, 08:21
It's also common that when when crimes related to morality become difficult to tie together for a strong conviction, but there's financial evidence involved, the IRS gets called in. Remember e. Com? An indictment could take quite a while since this such an involved case as Leagle has stated.
I'm surprised he's bringing so much info to the table. Most keep their cards close to their chest to protect their case. Those on the other side of the table should really be paying close attention.
My1501 was operated independently as an LLC, Sunycide, but was in fact part of a larger pool of sex-industry operations that sipped from the same wellspring, in a manner of speaking. The criminal investigation has revealed links to other local operations and individuals whom law enforcement has wanted for some time due to their prostitution-related activities. Mongers who have been in this game for awhile will recognize several of the names associated with the local market once this investigation reaches the indictment stage.
The way these cases work is to establish which groups or companies operate in a given area and establish the ties between them. These ties often take the form of rotation of providers between and among the groups, rental or purchase of real estate to be used as a base of operations through identifiable, common or inter-related real estate agencies, interstate travel and other business activities linking the groups together. They also uniformly tend to use legitimate businesses as front operations to mask the true source of their wealth. It is no coincidence that these individuals socialize together, patronize the same businesses, recruit providers from the same sources and so forth. Individuals within the groups may argue that they operate separately, but a check into their inter-relationships reveals a much different picture.
If the prosecution can establish the links in a persuasive manner before a jury, the potential penalties can reach up to twenty years incarceration and fines and costs totaling more than a quarter of a million dollars. There is also the specter of seizure and forfeiture of business-related and personal assets traceable to illegal income. Those convicted of these offenses usually spend several years behind bars and rely on outside supporters to help them restart their operations (if possible) once they are released.
TheSportScout
10-03-11, 11:02
It's also common that when when crimes related to morality become difficult to tie together for a strong conviction, but there's financial evidence involved, the IRS gets called in. Remember e. Com? An indictment could take quite a while since this such an involved case as Leagle has stated.
I'm surprised he's bringing so much info to the table. Most keep their cards close to their chest to protect their case. Those on the other side of the table should really be paying close attention.I have chatted with Legal a bit. I like his style. With that said, I don't believe he has a dog in this fight. He has stated that he has a client with past involvement with 1501 and the client is simply trying to stay ahead of the tidal wave. I appreciate the client's due dilligence and Legal's willingness to share the info he does. I am quite certain that he knows much more than he shares here but due to his position is not able to share everything. If you read between the lines, it all makes sense and becomes a pretty clear picture.
For my two cents, I think it sucks that all this crap is going on anyway. I for one have been laying extremely low and not hunting or dreaming as often as I would like. I believe I am going to look more towards the high end agencies. While the pricing may be higher than street rate, I expect the quality as well as the opportunity to stay out of the way of the tidal wave is much higher as well.
Stay safe out there my friends!
SS
Legal Eagle
10-05-11, 11:01
Thank you, SS and others, for understanding what I had hoped to convey from the outset. There is a great deal more involved, but as several of you have noted there are limits on what can (and frankly should) be discussed in public. The information is there if you require it. Remember to watch Perry's case closely.
Regarding the likelihood of a Mann Act prosecution, that is one of several theories being debated. You are correct that the Mann Act is the "catch-all" charge for interstate criminal activity. Its penalties are less several than other federal statutes, so it is typically used as a fail-safe when evidence supporting harsher statutes may be insufficient to meet the government's burden at trial. Because of the citizenship and residency of the Forbidden Five and their co-workers (USA citizens with sufficient personal accommodations not dependent upon their employers,) it may be difficult to prove human trafficking. There are other statutes (including Mann) which address this situation and which may be easier to prove.
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Speaking of paying attention and reading between the lines, an additional minefield was reported on Monday. For accuracy's sake, it is a branch of the same minefield. I jokingly referenced Pitino's adversary in a recent response, and how that adversary resembled a certain situation we have discussed ad infinitum. That analogy is more apt than you might imagine and particularly so at this moment.
A board favorite serves as a wonderful barrel of shiny, delicious apples. It has been said on this board that from this barrel you cannot always draw precisely the apple you desire, but you always enjoy and desire the apple you select. You know what happens when a spoiled apple is introduced to a pristine lot?
Light and dark make a nice contrast, but should not always be worn together. Combine the analogies and pay attention to recent advertisements. Bullies on the playground already have. PM if what is obvious is not obvious.
I got that it was a blonde chick you talked about but I can't get it from there.
Legal Eagle
10-10-11, 13:22
I got that it was a blonde chick you talked about but I can't get it from there.Send me a PM and I'll explain. Please don't discuss the information on the public board.
Legal Eagle
10-17-11, 01:42
This month from the "Hobbyist's Network." If it sounds too good to be true.
http://www.folksalert.com/2011/10/the-hobbyist-network-filled-with-coupons-for-sex-and-best-services-awards/
This month from the "Hobbyist's Network." If it sounds too good to be true.
http://www.folksalert.com/2011/10/the-hobbyist-network-filled-with-coupons-for-sex-and-best-services-awards/The link is broken or the site is down but couldn't open up this site.
What was the gist of it, if no longer available.
Kind of strange how this thread seemed to have run its course. What is the latest in the happening of the case (generically) , if anything?
The link is broken or the site is down but couldn't open up this site.
What was the gist of it, if no longer available.3 dudes were running some parties where you could meet up with escorts to have dates with afterwards. They had "gift bags" for sale that would include coupons for 30 minutes, an hour, or other special acts.
They were adverting on a public board like backpage or craig's list or something (I don't remember which) and had pretty public places for their shin digs like at bowling alleys and stuff.
Anyhoo, they got busted and brought up on charges including bringing in teenagers that they were supplying with drugs to solicit their services.
Legal Eagle
10-26-11, 19:26
What is the latest in the happening of the case (generically) , if anything?Cases are still pending in Clark County. All the of defendants save Perry are scheduled for a pretrial conference on November 7th. Perry's preliminary hearing is scheduled for December 19th. No plea agreements have been entered into the record thus far, but negotiations are ongoing. There is a great deal of activity regarding just how pleas are being negotiated, however. I mentioned something awhile back about scoping out the terrain and avoiding minefields. Some mines are particularly well-placed, but are visible to the observant. Opposing forces do, on occasion, relocate old mines to new fields. Get the picture?
3 dudes were running some parties where you could meet up with escorts to have dates with afterwards. They had "gift bags" for sale that would include coupons for 30 minutes, an hour, or other special acts.
They were adverting on a public board like backpage or craig's list or something (I don't remember which) and had pretty public places for their shin digs like at bowling alleys and stuff.
Anyhoo, they got busted and brought up on charges including bringing in teenagers that they were supplying with drugs to solicit their services.Post Script:
The 3 defendants operated competing message boards in Michigan. They marketed the escort side using meet & greets. Although they competed with each other at the board level they helped each other run their individual board meet & greets so all 3 were in on it. They also had plans to go national with a national board and national meet & greets. Life was good until they recruited a 17 year old girl to the business using meth and some money. They are in a world of hurt now.
The 3 were brought down when the girl's mother emailed the county sheriff about her daughter being recruited as an escort by 3 guys in their 60's and hooked her on meth. Enter the FBI with a Task Force. This was 2007. Four years work by the FBI is coming to light now. The FBI hasn't done all this work to get a fine.
Post Script:
The 3 defendants operated competing message boards in Michigan. They marketed the escort side using meet & greets. Although they competed with each other at the board level they helped each other run their individual board meet & greets so all 3 were in on it. They also had plans to go national with a national board and national meet & greets. Life was good until they recruited a 17 year old girl to the business using meth and some money. They are in a world of hurt now.
The 3 were brought down when the girl's mother emailed the county sheriff about her daughter being recruited as an escort by 3 guys in their 60's and hooked her on meth. Enter the FBI with a Task Force. This was 2007. Four years work by the FBI is coming to light now. The FBI hasn't done all this work to get a fine.Post Script II:
The FBI got in the case because the meet & greets crossed state lines. The FBI determined this fact by checking license plates of cars in the parking lot.
Court filings are on line. I have it as a download and attempted up upload it here but the pdf exceeded the USASG allowance. Here is the link for as long as it remains up: http://www.livingstondaily.com/assets/pdf/C61805621014.PDF
I found this all very interesting. A friend of mine happened to be in Detroit and attended one of the meet & greets, but not one of those mentioned here. He found it to be a group of people getting together at a sports bar and having a good time. He saw nothing untoward. He did meet Silver Eagle, a man in his 60's with a head of hair that looked like a silver eagle's.
Legal Eagle
10-28-11, 03:11
Will wonders never cease? It appears that "P*ssy Hut" has opened a newly-named branch location and stocked it not only with one or two well-known pizza-makers, but they also sent "now open" flyers to some of the same pizza-loving customers. Specifically. 400 of those same customers. The Health Department plans on canvassing as many customers as possible very soon regarding the quality of the pizza being served. At least one pizza-maker is quietly helping the Health Department in that process.
If I know this and you know this, guess who else does?
Been keeping my mouth shut and my eyes open. There has been a lot of threats about two certain places and to my knowledge, not one of the predictions have come to fruition. Maybe my original thoughts were right after all. It's all an attempt to hurt business so one independent could boost hers.
Legal Eagle
10-28-11, 23:03
Been keeping my mouth shut and my eyes open. There has been a lot of threats about two certain places and to my knowledge, not one of the predictions have come to fruition. Maybe my original thoughts were right after all. It's all an attempt to hurt business so one independent could boost hers.Those would be the "Original Thoughts of Johnballgame, Volume I," correct? I seem to recall your current guise arriving on scene long after the connections between My1501 and your operation were established. Let's see how you've fared, The Troy:
"My1501 and Soothing Sensations are two separate entities.". The Troy.
Proof offered that the same person incorporated both entities on the same date at the same record business address.
"My1501's owners and I have no connection" changes to "We're just friends" changes to "I'm a client and I talked to their providers."-The Troy, aka Sybil.
Proof offered that upon Deleon incorporating SS, several SS girls (including a board favorite) migrate in mass from SS to the stadium operation.
"Soothing Sensations is not under investigation."-The Troy.
SS closes shop following board discussion of the non-investigation.
"I am not an owner, and have no dog in this fight. '-The Troy.
Proof offered that he has multiple providers "who do not work for him" operating at locations he leases and splits profits from services rendered by each provider "who does not work for him."
Keep in mind that all of the above-ALL of the above-occurred after "Johnballgame" waxed poetically and repeatedly about 1) not having any affiliation with the good people behind My1501, 2) praising their service and 3) lamenting those openly critical of their reckless business practices; including a neutral senior member of the board.
Who was correct in their assessments, The Troy?
Who manipulated this board through false promotion of his and Deleon's providers under multiple guises, The Troy?
Who has lied and continues to lie, The Troy?
We have, in short, one of two distinct possibilities:
1) A person closely affiliated in friendship and shared business practices with the owners and providers at My1501 who at every turn defends them while surreptitiously promoting both My1501 and the stadium's providers (MY POSITION)
Or.
2) A client with incredible access to private business information who has gotten WAY too involved in the business affairs of organizations with a shared history of law enforcement involvement (YOUR POSITION)
I notice the timing of your re-emergence on the board coincides with the latest revelations about "P*ssy Hut." Sometimes it is a matter not only of what you say but when you say it, Troy.
Yes, my friend; your appearance is so very like The Mothman Prophecies. I wonder what disaster is about to befall the mongers?
Just because you say it, does not make it true. I've met the female owner of SS when I went there. She told me personally that she owned it. She closed down because she didn't know how to run a business, couldn't keep workers and lost all her money.
Let's stop this speculating. You said they were going to be investigated and arrested. It hasn't happened. From my knowledge the stadium only had one former emploee of 1501 and she's gone now.
Finally, dude, let's just meet so you can get it out of your very small mind that I am not the person you call The Troy. Open your mind. Life is so much better and more truthful when you consider others ideas. Sometimes, you might just find yourself wrong.
Those would be the "Original Thoughts of Johnballgame, Volume I," correct? I seem to recall your current guise arriving on scene long after the connections between My1501 and your operation were established. Let's see how you've fared, The Troy:
"My1501 and Soothing Sensations are two separate entities.". The Troy.
Proof offered that the same person incorporated both entities on the same date at the same record business address.
"My1501's owners and I have no connection" changes to "We're just friends" changes to "I'm a client and I talked to their providers."-The Troy, aka Sybil.
Proof offered that upon Deleon incorporating SS, several SS girls (including a board favorite) migrate in mass from SS to the stadium operation.
"Soothing Sensations is not under investigation."-The Troy.
SS closes shop following board discussion of the non-investigation.
"I am not an owner, and have no dog in this fight. '-The Troy.
Proof offered that he has multiple providers "who do not work for him" operating at locations he leases and splits profits from services rendered by each provider "who does not work for him."
Keep in mind that all of the above-ALL of the above-occurred after "Johnballgame" waxed poetically and repeatedly about 1) not having any affiliation with the good people behind My1501, 2) praising their service and 3) lamenting those openly critical of their reckless business practices; including a neutral senior member of the board.
Who was correct in their assessments, The Troy?
Who manipulated this board through false promotion of his and Deleon's providers under multiple guises, The Troy?
Who has lied and continues to lie, The Troy?
We have, in short, one of two distinct possibilities:
1) A person closely affiliated in friendship and shared business practices with the owners and providers at My1501 who at every turn defends them while surreptitiously promoting both My1501 and the stadium's providers (MY POSITION)
Or.
2) A client with incredible access to private business information who has gotten WAY too involved in the business affairs of organizations with a shared history of law enforcement involvement (YOUR POSITION)
I notice the timing of your re-emergence on the board coincides with the latest revelations about "P*ssy Hut." Sometimes it is a matter not only of what you say but when you say it, Troy.
Yes, my friend; your appearance is so very like The Mothman Prophecies. I wonder what disaster is about to befall the mongers?
Legal Eagle
10-29-11, 06:23
Been keeping my mouth shut and my eyes open. There has been a lot of threats about two certain places and to my knowledge, not one of the predictions have come to fruition. Maybe my original thoughts were right after all. It's all an attempt to hurt business so one independent could boost hers.Not to put too fine a point on this, but did you actually watch "Eyes Wide Shut?" It was about a naive young man who lied and stumbled his way into a situation that posed great personal risk to him. He also found out some troubling truths about perception versus reality.
And it featured hookers, so there you go.
Here's another title for you to watch: "Ruthless People." Pay particular attention to the scene where Bill Pullman is attempting to extort money during the middle of a police investigation. The operative dialogue is the comment made by the lead police officer (Lt. Walters) as he watches Pullman's character:
"This could very well be the stupidest person on the face of the earth."
Come on now! You're not the stupidest person on earth. Just sadly misinformed.
Not to put too fine a point on this, but did you actually watch "Eyes Wide Shut?" It was about a naive young man who lied and stumbled his way into a situation that posed great personal risk to him. He also found out some troubling truths about perception versus reality.
And it featured hookers, so there you go.
Here's another title for you to watch: "Ruthless People." Pay particular attention to the scene where Bill Pullman is attempting to extort money during the middle of a police investigation. The operative dialogue is the comment made by the lead police officer (Lt. Walters) as he watches Pullman's character:
"This could very well be the stupidest person on the face of the earth."
Legal Eagle
10-29-11, 14:24
Just because you say it, does not make it true. I've met the female owner of SS when I went there. She told me personally that she owned it. She closed down because she didn't know how to run a business, couldn't keep workers and lost all her money.Scene 1: BS-Stopper and the Ho-Girl.
*BS laying on the table, stripped bare and pitching a tent. Mostly*
So, baby, do you run the place or is there a criminal syndicate backing you on this?
*Glancing down at semi, Ho-Girl rolls eyes. Silently calculates how much she can beat out of the sucker*
It's all mine, baby. I spent the last of the money in my daughter's college fund to have a better shot at life. Going to tip me? (hubba hubba)
I will add this to the list of striking coincidences you have offered up, The Troy. Yet another owner casually confides sensitive, personal business information to a mere client. I believe you. Really, I do. I also believe that the Earth is flat, that Santa Claus slides down everyone's chimney and that you graduated high school with the tooth-fairy.
PS, The girl who allegedly owned SS worked for a good period of time as a provider prior to being placed in the owner (read: front-girl) position. She apparently earned enough money in this practice to purchase an ongoing business, but didn't possess the acumen to run the business in which she had worked so successfully? You're right, of course; SS closing down had nothing to do with several similar businesses (including one operated by the man who "sold" her SS) and several solo artists operating in the same county being face-planted by Clark County law enforcement.
Let's stop this speculating. You said they were going to be investigated and arrested. It hasn't happened. From my knowledge the stadium only had one former emploee of 1501 and she's gone now.Your understanding, much like your acting range, is limited. How long was My1501 under investigation prior to the raid? Several members posted explanatory links regarding a raid of a "meet & greet" discussed on the Hobbyist's Network. That investigation lasted four years prior to the raid by state and federal law enforcement. The owners of that organization knew that law enforcement was watching, but mistakenly believed they could outsmart them. They are now looking at meeting new clients in the federal penitentiary.
Landmines are best avoided by knowing where they are prior to stepping on them. If you choose not to believe the evidence of landmines in your path, continue to March. If you need to confirm the danger posed by fire by sticking your hand in, you are certain to receive all the confirmation you'll require.
Finally, dude, let's just meet so you can get it out of your very small mind that I am not the person you call The Troy. Open your mind. Life is so much better and more truthful when you consider others ideas. Sometimes, you might just find yourself wrong.I would meet with you, The Troy. Given your penchant for hanging out with people under criminal investigation, however, I'd rather not be Mothman-ed. We can meet after the raid. I'll be the guy cashing a $5K check while saying, much as Sunycide did with My1501,"I told you so."
Interesting information on this website when you have time folks.
http://www.policecrimes.com/knowrights.html
As an "attorney", you can meet publicly with anyone. That is, if you were an attorney. You could be meeting a prospective client. Guess you slipped up again.
Oh and the last owner if SS was a female, but not a provider so while you have a great imagination you're wrong, as usual. Keep trying though. Maybe there is someone on here that might believe you.
I'm on here to post the truth. It's sad that some people reach conclusions with little information. The best one so far is that "partners" owned both the buildings. You do realize that there are only a few partnerships and REITS that invest in this town and surrounding towns, don't you?
You are aware of what happens when you assume. But keep going. It will be fun when it's all said and done and you're proven wrong. I personally will enjoy it. See ya later "C".
Scene 1: BS-Stopper and the Ho-Girl.
*BS laying on the table, stripped bare and pitching a tent. Mostly*
So, baby, do you run the place or is there a criminal syndicate backing you on this?
*Glancing down at semi, Ho-Girl rolls eyes. Silently calculates how much she can beat out of the sucker*
It's all mine, baby. I spent the last of the money in my daughter's college fund to have a better shot at life. Going to tip me? (hubba hubba)
I will add this to the list of striking coincidences you have offered up, The Troy. Yet another owner casually confides sensitive, personal business information to a mere client. I believe you. Really, I do. I also believe that the Earth is flat, that Santa Claus slides down everyone's chimney and that you graduated high school with the tooth-fairy.
PS, The girl who allegedly owned SS worked for a good period of time as a provider prior to being placed in the owner (read: front-girl) position. She apparently earned enough money in this practice to purchase an ongoing business, but didn't possess the acumen to run the business in which she had worked so successfully? You're right, of course; SS closing down had nothing to do with several similar businesses (including one operated by the man who "sold" her SS) and several solo artists operating in the same county being face-planted by Clark County law enforcement.
Your understanding, much like your acting range, is limited. How long was My1501 under investigation prior to the raid? Several members posted explanatory links regarding a raid of a "meet & greet" discussed on the Hobbyist's Network. That investigation lasted four years prior to the raid by state and federal law enforcement. The owners of that organization knew that law enforcement was watching, but mistakenly believed they could outsmart them. They are now looking at meeting new clients in the federal penitentiary.
Landmines are best avoided by knowing where they are prior to stepping on them. If you choose not to believe the evidence of landmines in your path, continue to March. If you need to confirm the danger posed by fire by sticking your hand in, you are certain to receive all the confirmation you'll require.
I would meet with you, The Troy. Given your penchant for hanging out with people under criminal investigation, however, I'd rather not be Mothman-ed. We can meet after the raid. I'll be the guy cashing a $5K check while saying, much as Sunycide did with My1501,"I told you so."
Legal Eagle
11-02-11, 01:58
As an "attorney", you can meet publicly with anyone. That is, if you were an attorney. You could be meeting a prospective client. Guess you slipped up again.As a "customer," you claim to know much more than anyone actually involved in the business as a customer. That is, if you were simply a customer. You are definitely meeting a prospective "casher" of your $5K check. Guess you slipped up. Again.
Oh and the last owner if SS was a female, but not a provider so while you have a great imagination you're wrong, as usual. Keep trying though. Maybe there is someone on here that might believe you.You would be one of those that believe me because you know it is true. You do realize that many of the mongers here are aware of who she is and her work history, The Troy? Keeping digging that hole, Sybil; it's growing deeper beneath your feet as you speak.
I'm on here to post the truth.Let us know when you start, JBG / FT / StopBS / LonChaney / Sybil. Here a hint: Speak with one voice in one board handle and actually speak about things you know-truthful things.
It's sad that some people reach conclusions with little information.Yes it is, Customer to the Stars.
The best one so far is that "partners" owned both the buildings.Please post the link where I stated this.
*Watches clock tick endlessly as the Troy searches board threads vainly for statement that does not exist*
You do realize that there are only a few partnerships and REITS that invest in this town and surrounding towns, don't you?You sound suspiciously like that real estate investor / pimp that "doesn't have providers working for him." I did mention something about the organizations that pimp these girls also investing in real estate to house the brothels employing the girls. Your knowledge of real estate investing in this area is simply a coincidence, of course.
You are aware of what happens when you assume.*Chuckles at the irony. Blots coffee from keyboard*
But keep going.All was quiet on this front until your re-emergence to defend the latest iteration of your friend's activities. I can do this all day, friend.
It will be fun when it's all said and done and you're proven wrong. I personally will enjoy it. See ya later "C".You are not having fun yet? I'm having a blast. Just write the check and do not spend more than you have in your account. You may need to post bail soon.
*On a side note:
StoptheBS reminds me of that old science experiment with the monkey in a cage; the one where the scientist feeds him pellets only after the monkey presses a button that shocks him. The monkey just keeps on pressing that button to get his pellet fix, and the scientist just shakes his head at how stupid the monkey is.
*watches BS press the button again. And again. And again. Shakes head*
Not tryin to get into the drama, but I kinda see where Legal is comin' from about this Stopthebs. I can see how a lawyer could get some info and work with it, but why would the cats running these girls talk to a dude just comin to get some on the quick? Like I said not tryin to get on anybody but when he talks about what the lawyer is sayin is wrong its always this cat told me or this girl told me. Its not like a pimp or a prostitute is going to tell the cat payin the money the real inside dope, like who owns what and where they been. Thats real deep shit for a pimp to drop on somebody just passin through. I just don't see that happenin dude. On the real are you this The Troy cat or not?
TheRealTroy
11-02-11, 12:02
Not tryin to get into the drama, but I kinda see where Legal is comin' from about this Stopthebs. I can see how a lawyer could get some info and work with it, but why would the cats running these girls talk to a dude just comin to get some on the quick? Like I said not tryin to get on anybody but when he talks about what the lawyer is sayin is wrong its always this cat told me or this girl told me. Its not like a pimp or a prostitute is going to tell the cat payin the money the real inside dope, like who owns what and where they been. Thats real deep shit for a pimp to drop on somebody just passin through. I just don't see that happenin dude. On the real are you this The Troy cat or not?Read stopthebs previous post. Ss owner was a provider and the owner before that was as well. Brittany and Tracy. Not on here to sword fight but legal your friends feathergill and Smith are putting you in a nag spot. I don't think your free attorney friend would like.
Legal Eagle
11-02-11, 15:38
Read stopthebs previous post. Ss owner was a provider and the owner before that was as well. Brittany and Tracy. Not on here to sword fight but legal your friends feathergill and Smith are putting you in a nag spot. I don't think your free attorney friend would like.I indicated that the previous front-girl at SS was a provider before she was propped up as an "owner." StoptheBS disagrees. As for the balance of your statement, I am not sure who "Feathergill" and "Smith" describe. I am acquainted with neither. By "free attorney" do you mean a legal aid attorney or public defender? Again, you have me mistaken for another.
Despite Legals repeated attempts to prove otherwise, I am not Troy. Yes I have a lot of inside scoop and the majority is from friends in the business and is not obtained while getting a body rub. I was interested in opening an office at one time, so I asked a lot of questions. Sounds like I was wrong about the most recent owner of SS, maybe she didn't want me as a customer so she told me she didn't do nostrums, only ran the office. I do, however, know a lot about real estate and know that the buildings renting to the stadium and 1501 are not owned by the people that operate those businesses. A simple online search clears that up very quickly. Much of what legal has posted is untrue.
Not tryin to get into the drama, but I kinda see where Legal is comin' from about this Stopthebs. I can see how a lawyer could get some info and work with it, but why would the cats running these girls talk to a dude just comin to get some on the quick? Like I said not tryin to get on anybody but when he talks about what the lawyer is sayin is wrong its always this cat told me or this girl told me. Its not like a pimp or a prostitute is going to tell the cat payin the money the real inside dope, like who owns what and where they been. Thats real deep shit for a pimp to drop on somebody just passin through. I just don't see that happenin dude. On the real are you this The Troy cat or not?
Legal Eagle
11-04-11, 03:50
Despite Legals repeated attempts to prove otherwise, I am not Troy. Yes I have a lot of inside scoop and the majority is from friends in the business and is not obtained while getting a body rub. I was interested in opening an office at one time, so I asked a lot of questions. Sounds like I was wrong about the most recent owner of SS, maybe she didn't want me as a customer so she told me she didn't do nostrums, only ran the office. I do, however, know a lot about real estate and know that the buildings renting to the stadium and 1501 are not owned by the people that operate those businesses. A simple online search clears that up very quickly. Much of what legal has posted is untrue.Your record for accuracy is not great, BS. You defended "The Troy" only to learn that he has manipulated the board via self-promotion through multiple board handles. You argued the "lack of connection" between he and Deleon only to have evidence of "provider swaps" and shared private information (about My1501's legal contracts and criminal case information) revealed to you. You suggested that My1501 and SS were completely separate entities only to learn that both companies shared joint incorporation dates, principal office address and incorporator identities. You lament the absence of arrests at the stadium while failing to understand or appreciate the length of time that investigations last prior to raids or acknowledging that the same pimp behind the stadium has been busted before (read: you avoided even attempting to answer the question about the length of the My1501 pre-raid investigation.)
Add to this your latest non-revelation revelation about Brittney (the front-girl for SS that did in fact work previously as a provider and who you now claim "lied to you" for reasons that are as yet unclear) and your statistics drop further yet. As much as I would like to rely on the balance of your information, I think I will stand on my previous statements.
I do have a question or two of my own if you will allow, BS:
* Why would Brittney lie to you about being a provider if your entire purpose in visiting SS was to receive their services?
* If she did lie to you (and I have my doubts about this,) why do you persist in believing anything else she allegedly told you?
* Why would owners (read: Troy, Ivan and front-girl Brittney) provide you, as a prospective competitor, specific location, safety, personnel and expense information about founding and operating body rub services while attacking (Troy, for certain) other owners and providers surreptitiously here on this board?
And finally.
* If your stated goal is to protect the providers being "unfairly hurt" by our colloquy, why would you come here to defend owners whose reckless activities have so clearly placed both providers and mongers in this area in jeopardy through increased law enforcement activity?
You do realize that their conduct is continuing, correct? Not only through their latest venture, but through the flag-waving regarding a particular provider known to be under law enforcement scrutiny. I would hazard a guess to suggest that favors are quietly being provided certain board seniors in order to boost this provider, unaccompanied by any information regarding the temperature under this provider's feet. There are no coincidences, BS. You are The Troy. You know it, I know it and now everyone knows it. You are here trying to save your business just as you have always done. I did not concern myself with you until you began feeding people bullshit and calling it caviar. I still have no concern for you or your activities other than to make the record clear. Keep your $5k. I have the feeling you will need it more than I.
If you still insistent on invoking the ostrich defense, you are certainly entitled. I will offer that the predators remain nevertheless. Time will tell which among us is correct. It always does.
I don't know about all that other shit with 1501 and The Troy because I've never been there Stopthebs but the info about the blonde chick on his light / dark tip for sure checked out. If the chick who ran that place your talkin about lied to you dude then she no doubt lied about a bunch of shit. What Legal said about the chick at your place is true from what your sayin now. But thats what I was sayin about the chicks and pimps out there hustlin man. They just won't tell you the straight dope because they have shit to lose. You can believe what you want about these chicks dude but I don't buy half the shit they tell me and I keep my private shit to myself. Just keepin it real Stopthebs.
Meatloafer77
11-04-11, 13:31
I don't know about all that other shit with 1501 and The Troy because I've never been there Stopthebs but the info about the blonde chick on his light / dark tip for sure checked out. If the chick who ran that place your talkin about lied to you dude then she no doubt lied about a bunch of shit. What Legal said about the chick at your place is true from what your sayin now. But thats what I was sayin about the chicks and pimps out there hustlin man. They just won't tell you the straight dope because they have shit to lose. You can believe what you want about these chicks dude but I don't buy half the shit they tell me and I keep my private shit to myself. Just keepin it real Stopthebs.Doctor Z is absolutely Right!
Ok. So I was wrong about the 2nd owner. You're wrong about everything else and you have not proved anything. Again 1501 owned the rights to the SS name, not the business. The Troy and Deleon are not and have not been in business together. Stadium was given a ticket over a year ago but no arrests. If you are a lawyer you are terrible at it.
Finally I am NOT Troy. I have offered to prove it but you are too scared to admit that you are wrong. Agree to meet and I'll give you my sources and prove I am not that jerk. If not, shut your mouth and stick to trying to convince the providers with not enough brains to figure out that you are stupid. So,"C" when you are willing to meet let me know. Until then "C" you can continue your lies to the folks on this board that are dumb enough to believe you. I'm out.
Your record for accuracy is not great, BS. You defended "The Troy" only to learn that he has manipulated the board via self-promotion through multiple board handles. You argued the "lack of connection" between he and Deleon only to have evidence of "provider swaps" and shared private information (about My1501's legal contracts and criminal case information) revealed to you. You suggested that My1501 and SS were completely separate entities only to learn that both companies shared joint incorporation dates, principal office address and incorporator identities. You lament the absence of arrests at the stadium while failing to understand or appreciate the length of time that investigations last prior to raids or acknowledging that the same pimp behind the stadium has been busted before (read: you avoided even attempting to answer the question about the length of the My1501 pre-raid investigation.)
Add to this your latest non-revelation revelation about Brittney (the front-girl for SS that did in fact work previously as a provider and who you now claim "lied to you" for reasons that are as yet unclear) and your statistics drop further yet. As much as I would like to rely on the balance of your information, I think I will stand on my previous statements.
I do have a question or two of my own if you will allow, BS:
* Why would Brittney lie to you about being a provider if your entire purpose in visiting SS was to receive their services?
* If she did lie to you (and I have my doubts about this,) why do you persist in believing anything else she allegedly told you?
* Why would owners (read: Troy, Ivan and front-girl Brittney) provide you, as a prospective competitor, specific location, safety, personnel and expense information about founding and operating body rub services while attacking (Troy, for certain) other owners and providers surreptitiously here on this board?
And finally.
* If your stated goal is to protect the providers being "unfairly hurt" by our colloquy, why would you come here to defend owners whose reckless activities have so clearly placed both providers and mongers in this area in jeopardy through increased law enforcement activity?
You do realize that their conduct is continuing, correct? Not only through their latest venture, but through the flag-waving regarding a particular provider known to be under law enforcement scrutiny. I would hazard a guess to suggest that favors are quietly being provided certain board seniors in order to boost this provider, unaccompanied by any information regarding the temperature under this provider's feet. There are no coincidences, BS. You are The Troy. You know it, I know it and now everyone knows it. You are here trying to save your business just as you have always done. I did not concern myself with you until you began feeding people bullshit and calling it caviar. I still have no concern for you or your activities other than to make the record clear. Keep your $5k. I have the feeling you will need it more than I.
If you still insistent on invoking the ostrich defense, you are certainly entitled. I will offer that the predators remain nevertheless. Time will tell which among us is correct. It always does.
Legal Eagle
11-05-11, 02:34
Ok. So I was wrong about the 2nd owner. You're wrong about everything else and you have not proved anything.At least not to you, BS. Nothing short of an outright admission by Ivan would convince you to tell the truth about your association.
Again 1501 owned the rights to the SS name, not the business.Just as the Walton family own the name "Walmart" but not the business. Perhaps it is sheer coincidence to have two businesses providing the same service in the same city with the same name. Whatever works for you, SB.
The Troy and Deleon are not and have not been in business together.Just as Brittney has never been a provider, I'm sure.
Stadium was given a ticket over a year ago but no arrests.I said the pimp behind the place has been charged before, BS. You are forgetting that the stadium was not the first of his operations nor is it his only operation. Think carefully before you respond and my meaning should become clear to you.
If you are a lawyer you are terrible at it.I am, at the very least, smarter than you.
Finally I am NOT Troy. I have offered to prove it but you are too scared to admit that you are wrong.I simply do not believe you, BS. You can mistakenly assign whatever emotion makes you comfortable to this fact.
Agree to meet and I'll give you my sources and prove I am not that jerk.Odd coincidence that both you and The Troy insist on a personal meeting. Why is this necessary, BS? Lay your cards on the table here and now. You certainly enjoy a game or two of poker by your own account.
If not, shut your mouth and stick to trying to convince the providers with not enough brains to figure out that you are stupid.I do not take orders from you, BS. As for your insulting the intelligence of the other board members, I will leave it to them to decide what information to accept and which to reject. Perhaps you should do the same.
So,"C" when you are willing to meet let me know. Until then "C" you can continue your lies to the folks on this board that are dumb enough to believe you. I'm out.Again with the meeting, BS. I would rather spend my time with an attractive provider than an overbearing idiot. Whether it be in person, on the telephone, in an airplane or here on this board, you would still be wrong in your assertions.
I always find it interesting and amusing that those who realize they have lied themselves into a corner resort to insulting the intelligence of those who come to realize they are lied to. In the end, my friend, my information will still be accurate and you will remain a crack monkey. There's a parting shot for you.
Now go home, sit in the corner with your pointy hat and pout like the spoiled, irritable bastard child you are.
Legal Eagle. Your last post was a freakin masterpiece. But, there has been no funnier line written on the board than this one. I just about lost it laughing at your retort to his assertion that you are not a lawyer. That was priceless.
I am, at the very least, smarter than you.
Legal Eagle. Your last post was a freakin masterpiece. But, there has been no funnier line written on the board than this one. I just about lost it laughing at your retort to his assertion that you are not a lawyer. That was priceless.That was some funny shit LOL. Whats up with Stopthebs? Its like this shit is personal. Dude. That was some WWE smackdown shit!
ThunderKunt
11-07-11, 11:27
The photo posts regarding the fellas taking pictures of women, presumably SWs and posting them here in this forum against their knowledge and certainly with no written consent. It would seem to me that this would violate some civil liberties, some right to privacy, some laws protecting basic human rights.
Simply because a woman is out walking on the street and her picture is taken and posted on this website where it then claims ownership of that picture while at the same time offering no protection of said picture I. E. No "no right click and save" such as other responsible adult oriented websites, I personally do not think that's fair to the woman- be her SW or not. Surely there has to be something illegal about this.
Granted, your opinions are welcome however my local ACLU and books in general I'm sure would give me better insight judging by mongrel law 101. HA!
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Legal Eagle
11-07-11, 19:13
Legal Eagle. Your last post was a freakin masterpiece. But, there has been no funnier line written on the board than this one. I just about lost it laughing at your retort to his assertion that you are not a lawyer. That was priceless.Always happy to spread sunshine and joy, Varoom (LOL.)
Legal is accusing me of being that slime he refers to as The Troy. You guys can believe him and I'm not giving my sources up on here, but the truth will come out and you will see that Legal is trying to show off and make people believe something he has no clue about.
That was some funny shit LOL. Whats up with Stopthebs? Its like this shit is personal. Dude. That was some WWE smackdown shit!
Legal Eagle
11-10-11, 21:06
Legal is accusing me of being that slime he refers to as The Troy. You guys can believe him and I'm not giving my sources up on here, but the truth will come out and you will see that Legal is trying to show off and make people believe something he has no clue about.If anyone is attempting to suggest he knows more than he does, BS, it is you. I have asked you rather specific questions which you have chosen to ignore, as is your right. That does not mean the questions are invalid.
Here is my dilemma, BS. Perhaps you will deign to respond to these queries:
1. You stated that you received your information directly from owners and the providers working for them. Do you agree that "Troy" has manipulated this board through multiple board handles and attacks on his fellow owners and their providers?
2. You stated that Brittany provided you information about SS and the difficulties she faced. You now state she has lied to you about her background. Why do you insist that her information about SS is accurate notwithstanding what you have learn about her and about SS's public record history?
3. You defended providers working for Troy, the stadium and My1501. Do you agree that these operations have increased the risk to all mongers in this area?
What I have stated about The Troy is based on his conduct on this board. What I have stated about My1501 is an echo of statements made by seniors on this board long before my first appearance. What I have stated about the relationship between the two organizations and the increased risk attached to them is borne out by arrest and citation histories and other connections identified by other board members.
When I tell you that the hammer is about to drop, I am telling you in advance what is coming. It is easy to sit back and comment on what has already occurred and say "I told you so." Only one senior board member (as I understand the history of this board) can categorically say "I told you so" with any credibility as regards My1501 and congratulate himself on saying this well in advance of what occurred with their operation (and what is no doubt about to occur again.) I am telling you in advance what I know to be a fact and have explained multiple times why I know this to be true, BS. You have a right to disagree, but this does not mean the information is inaccurate. People loved getting their gas at Exxon stations before the Valdez, loved getting food at McDonalds before learning that it promotes heart failure and loved My1501 until it was raided. The best professional boxers learn to avoid punches rather than taking them. Stick and move is an apt analogy.
Recall that it is never a raid until it is a raid, BS. These operations are carefully planned and preparations are made long before they are executed. My1501 managed to collect at least 400 names prior to the raid of their operation. The intelligent person steps off the rail when they learn the train is approaching, BS. Only a fool waits until they see a badge before they realize that the police are paying attention. Saying that the information about the number being up on the stadium is wrong because no raid has occurred is akin to saying that war is not dangerous because you haven't been shot yet. Timothy Treadwell was correct about Alaskan Kodiak bears every time until the time he was wrong. Think about it.
Believe it or not, accept it or reject it as you please. You appear on this board intermittently and repeatedly to offer up your association with ostensible "owners" and their providers in a misguided attempt to create the appearance that you are somehow connected with inside information. In the next breath you offer up that at least one of the "owners" misled you. What, if anything, does this indicate to you about the reliability of your supposed sources?
The train is, in fact, coming. I will, in your case in particular, be the first to say "I told you so."
Meatloafer77
11-13-11, 23:20
If anyone is attempting to suggest he knows more than he does, BS, it is you. I have asked you rather specific questions which you have chosen to ignore, as is your right. That does not mean the questions are invalid.
Here is my dilemma, BS. Perhaps you will deign to respond to these queries:
1. You stated that you received your information directly from owners and the providers working for them. Do you agree that "Troy" has manipulated this board through multiple board handles and attacks on his fellow owners and their providers?
2. You stated that Brittany provided you information about SS and the difficulties she faced. You now state she has lied to you about her background. Why do you insist that her information about SS is accurate notwithstanding what you have learn about her and about SS's public record history?
3. You defended providers working for Troy, the stadium and My1501. Do you agree that these operations have increased the risk to all mongers in this area?
What I have stated about The Troy is based on his conduct on this board. What I have stated about My1501 is an echo of statements made by seniors on this board long before my first appearance. What I have stated about the relationship between the two organizations and the increased risk attached to them is borne out by arrest and citation histories and other connections identified by other board members.
When I tell you that the hammer is about to drop, I am telling you in advance what is coming. It is easy to sit back and comment on what has already occurred and say "I told you so." Only one senior board member (as I understand the history of this board) can categorically say "I told you so" with any credibility as regards My1501 and congratulate himself on saying this well in advance of what occurred with their operation (and what is no doubt about to occur again.) I am telling you in advance what I know to be a fact and have explained multiple times why I know this to be true, BS. You have a right to disagree, but this does not mean the information is inaccurate. People loved getting their gas at Exxon stations before the Valdez, loved getting food at McDonalds before learning that it promotes heart failure and loved My1501 until it was raided. The best professional boxers learn to avoid punches rather than taking them. Stick and move is an apt analogy.
Recall that it is never a raid until it is a raid, BS. These operations are carefully planned and preparations are made long before they are executed. My1501 managed to collect at least 400 names prior to the raid of their operation. The intelligent person steps off the rail when they learn the train is approaching, BS. Only a fool waits until they see a badge before they realize that the police are paying attention. Saying that the information about the number being up on the stadium is wrong because no raid has occurred is akin to saying that war is not dangerous because you haven't been shot yet. Timothy Treadwell was correct about Alaskan Kodiak bears every time until the time he was wrong. Think about it.
Believe it or not, accept it or reject it as you please. You appear on this board intermittently and repeatedly to offer up your association with ostensible "owners" and their providers in a misguided attempt to create the appearance that you are somehow connected with inside information. In the next breath you offer up that at least one of the "owners" misled you. What, if anything, does this indicate to you about the reliability of your supposed sources?
The train is, in fact, coming. I will, in your case in particular, be the first to say "I told you so."Legal may be the smartest mind to post on this site ever! I have seen the train come in many times and it is never a good thing for Owners or Landlords unless you have that paper on a wall, in a frame or in our previous case, the file cabinet. Smart money will listen to Legal and get the hell off of the Radar. Stop disputing him and start listening. Too many "THINK" they know the nuts and bolts of this business. They are wrong!
Meat
Again I'm not revealing my sources but I assure you they are better than yours. I agree with Legal on some things. Troy has tried to manipulate this board just like Meat / Jenna does. But I also know that Legal has a similar motive in trying to get business for certain escorts. Just as he said the hammer was falling in September but that didn't happen, hes still trying to put fear there. Why not just let it be McGee? Got that from a song.
Le has been at the stadium and nothing came of it but the firing of one girl.
Legal may be the smartest mind to post on this site ever! I have seen the train come in many times and it is never a good thing for Owners or Landlords unless you have that paper on a wall, in a frame or in our previous case, the file cabinet. Smart money will listen to Legal and get the hell off of the Radar. Stop disputing him and start listening. Too many "THINK" they know the nuts and bolts of this business. They are wrong!
Meat
TheSportScout
11-16-11, 01:03
Again I'm not revealing my sources but I assure you they are better than yours. I agree with Legal on some things. Troy has tried to manipulate this board just like Meat / Jenna does. But I also know that Legal has a similar motive in trying to get business for certain escorts. Just as he said the hammer was falling in September but that didn't happen, hes still trying to put fear there. Why not just let it be McGee? Got that from a song.
Le has been at the stadium and nothing came of it but the firing of one girl.No one is asking you to reveal your sources uncle bs. But you offer nothing with your post.
When was le at the stadium? Who got fired? What was she fired for? If you are one of us, then share useful information. Sharing information and not backing it up with facts does no good for anyone.
As far as Legal, he can fight his own battles. But I will say that he and I have had many conversations and he has NEVER suggested I see a particular provider. On the other hand, he has provided intel to me that has checked out and had been verified with my sources. But take it for what it is worth because I won't reveal my sources. I am sure you understand that.
SS
Legal Eagle
11-16-11, 01:34
Again I'm not revealing my sources but I assure you they are better than yours. I agree with Legal on some things. Troy has tried to manipulate this board just like Meat / Jenna does. But I also know that Legal has a similar motive in trying to get business for certain escorts. Just as he said the hammer was falling in September but that didn't happen, hes still trying to put fear there. Why not just let it be McGee? Got that from a song.
Le has been at the stadium and nothing came of it but the firing of one girl.You only know what you have been told, BS, and the accuracy of that information depends wholly upon the veracity of the person providing it. I am not debating with you; I simply disagree and have stated the basis for my disagreement. Differing opinions will remain a fact between us, BS.
As to motives, it would be easy to dismiss warnings of risk by fabricating a motive for the messenger, BS. I am not working on behalf of any provider other than the client I noted previously for the reasons I noted previously. I can and will share my preferences regarding providers when asked to do so, and generally only do so privately (for obvious reasons.) You may want to remind yourself that I did not enter this board recommending any provider to anyone. I began by asking questions and continued by sharing the information I came across. You can Rube Goldberg this into a "motive to help certain escorts" if it pleases you, but you will not be surprised by my disagreement with you on yet another point.
I am, of course, continuing to share information about which provider or group of providers pose risks to the mongers, BS. You can deny associations among many of these studios, but that is simply a difference of opinion. In sharing information, I have also received information from other mongers in exchange which has helped me dodge a few landmines recently and for that I am appreciative. If you choose to disbelieve my information or that of anyone else, that is your right. Ignoring information is not the same as the information being inaccurate, BS.
Do yourself a favor and review the history on the investigations that have taken place both in Jefferson County and other jurisdictions, BS. You will understand that what I have stated about the duration of these investigations prior to actual raids is accurate. The point is to share the information and leave it to the good judgment of the mongers in deciding if or how to use it. Again, I am giving you the warning when it counts: In advance. You can attach whatever motive makes you comfortable to this fact.
I had a copy of the report from the stadium. I would guess it was a year or so ago. Nicki / Taylor / Sam was given a citation as well as The Troy. Nicki was fired for offering more than the regular menu then went to work with Jasmine. Troy was released of any wrongdoing due to the lease structure of his building. Undercovers are at these places all the time. As you all are aware FS is not offered at the stadium therefore there is less risk.
I know exactly who Legal works for and who he is. He is not a concern of mine.
No one is asking you to reveal your sources uncle bs. But you offer nothing with your post.
When was le at the stadium? Who got fired? What was she fired for? If you are one of us, then share useful information. Sharing information and not backing it up with facts does no good for anyone.
As far as Legal, he can fight his own battles. But I will say that he and I have had many conversations and he has NEVER suggested I see a particular provider. On the other hand, he has provided intel to me that has checked out and had been verified with my sources. But take it for what it is worth because I won't reveal my sources. I am sure you understand that.
SS
TheSportScout
11-16-11, 14:57
I had a copy of the report from the stadium. I would guess it was a year or so ago. Nicki / Taylor / Sam was given a citation as well as The Troy. Nicki was fired for offering more than the regular menu then went to work with Jasmine. Troy was released of any wrongdoing due to the lease structure of his building. Undercovers are at these places all the time. As you all are aware FS is not offered at the stadium therefore there is less risk.
I know exactly who Legal works for and who he is. He is not a concern of mine.Solid intel uncle bs. Most is right on point. Keep in mind however, current focus is cause for concern at any location.
As for Legal, it was never stated that you should have concern for him. I was simply stating that he had never pushed anyone on me, or anyone else that I am aware of. Also stated that he had provided solid and verified intel to both myself and the board.
Can't we all just get along? (all but maybe the Meat dood and his mrs. Jenna)
SS,
Legal Eagle
11-16-11, 21:10
The lack of concern is mutual, BS; as it has been from my standpoint from the beginning.
As for the My1501 case itself (which is where this began, as I recall,) hearings have been continued in the case until 12/19 (for Perry and Liani) and 1/19/12 (for the other defendants.) It is significant that Liani's case is no longer on the same disposition docket as that of the remaining defendants (save Perry.) Watch for developments toward settlement of one or more cases around the time of the December court hearings.
Legal Eagle
11-16-11, 21:25
I had a copy of the report from the stadium. I would guess it was a year or so ago. Nicki / Taylor / Sam was given a citation as well as The Troy. Nicki was fired for offering more than the regular menu then went to work with Jasmine. Troy was released of any wrongdoing due to the lease structure of his building. Undercovers are at these places all the time. As you all are aware FS is not offered at the stadium therefore there is less risk.
I know exactly who Legal works for and who he is. He is not a concern of mine.Except that "Sam" was not arrested or even cited at the "stadium," BS. She was part of the same group of providers, but was based out in the east end, as you know."The Troy" referred to this very fact in an earlier post on this board. I would provide the link to the news account of this incident but it reveals her real name in the report of the incident. Most of the mongers know already know who "Sam" was and what occurred and, more importantly, where it occurred. This is, in part, what I meant when I stated the pimp behind the stadium operations has had and still has more than one operation. Get the picture?
As far as you ostensibly knowing who I am and who my client is, you have been pretty certain of your information in the past as I recall. We all know how that turned out. You have now been told that I did not recommend any provider in particular to anyone, and that is likewise a true fact. Whatever the case, this should settle in your mind that my information is accurate.
Synopsisav
11-16-11, 22:55
Wow, a Rube Goldberd reference on USA Sex Guide. I have seen it all now.
By the way, you all really need to listen to Legal. He is giving very good info and advice.
I had a copy of the report from the stadium. I would guess it was a year or so ago. Nicki / Taylor / Sam was given a citation as well as The Troy. Nicki was fired for offering more than the regular menu then went to work with Jasmine. Troy was released of any wrongdoing due to the lease structure of his building. Undercovers are at these places all the time. As you all are aware FS is not offered at the stadium therefore there is less risk.
I know exactly who Legal works for and who he is. He is not a concern of mine.I don't get why he would be a concern to you because you said your just a customer and not hustlin BS. The info he gave me was legit so I don't get what your deal is for real. Its like you work for that The Troy cat or something.
TheSportScout
11-17-11, 07:53
Except that "Sam" was not arrested or even cited at the "stadium," BS. She was part of the same group of providers, but was based out in the east end, as you know."The Troy" referred to this very fact in an earlier post on this board. I would provide the link to the news account of this incident but it reveals her real name in the report of the incident. Most of the mongers know already know who "Sam" was and what occurred and, more importantly, where it occurred. This is, in part, what I meant when I stated the pimp behind the stadium operations has had and still has more than one operation. Get the picture?
As far as you ostensibly knowing who I am and who my client is, you have been pretty certain of your information in the past as I recall. We all know how that turned out. You have now been told that I did not recommend any provider in particular to anyone, and that is likewise a true fact. Whatever the case, this should settle in your mind that my information is accurate.When I responded to uncle bs (Tim Wilson reference anyone?) , I stated "most" intel is right on point. As Legal pointed out, Sam's trouble was not at the stadium. But it doesn't take a 1st grader to connect the dots my friends.
Stay safe. Be smart.
SS,
Sam was arrested at the east end place owned my provider Jaz. However she was first cited at the stadium. This I know for a fact. The Troy was also cited at the same time. He did not own the office off Taylorsville. Jaz also used to work at the stadium and hired Sam after she was fired by Troy due to the citation she received. These statements I know for certain are a fact. This is the exact reason I'm on here because Legal is giving wrong information. I want to keep the record straight.
LE was at the stadium last week. No arrests or citations given. The girls there have been prepared well.
Anyone that still wants to accuse me of being the owner there is welcome to meet me. I like this sport and have inside info and when I'm wrong I admit it but on these statements and the one that the Troy not is in business with anyone else I am 100% certain of.
I'm not arguing this any longer. Just know that Legal has an incentive to put certain places out of business as it directly affects his home life if they were to shutdown.
When I responded to uncle bs (Tim Wilson reference anyone?) , I stated "most" intel is right on point. As Legal pointed out, Sam's trouble was not at the stadium. But it doesn't take a 1st grader to connect the dots my friends.
Stay safe. Be smart.
SS
Legal Eagle
11-18-11, 03:01
LE was at the stadium last week. No arrests or citations given. The girls there have been prepared well.Where have we heard this before, I wonder? Incidentally, you just confirmed for law enforcement the fact that the providers have something to prepare against. Chum in the water, friend. I am quite certain your "owner friends" and their providers will heap praise on you for this, BS. I did notice the Freudian slip on "my" provider "Jaz." Nicely done sir. Before you say it, yes-I am aware that Jaz owns and operates her own studio. Now.
Anyone that still wants to accuse me of being the owner there is welcome to meet me. I like this sport and have inside info and when I'm wrong I admit it but on these statements and the one that the Troy not is in business with anyone else I am 100% certain of.You can only be certain of what you are told, BS. Unless, of course, you are The Troy (which you most certainly are.)
I'm not arguing this any longer.That makes four-COUNT THEM, FOUR-times you have stated this. Perhaps the fifth time is the charm.
*wait for it*
I can see you twitching at the keyboard on the other side of the screen, BS. Go forth and do good things.
Just know that Legal has an incentive to put certain places out of business as it directly affects his home life if they were to shutdown.I do not and no it would not, BS. Thank you for thinking of me, though. I have not advocated putting any studio or solo artist out of business. What I have suggested, however, are safer methods to use in approaching these risky locations and that the smart person pays attention to the warning signs. The only reason this conversation has continued unabated is due to some on this board (I will not say who *cough* "The Troy" *cough* "BS" *) wanting to downplay or outright deny the risk associated with these locations. They do this while simultaneously attacking other providers. You have already admitted to this conduct on the part of The Troy yet you continue to minimize the risk by deflecting questions. Do you really not understand why some might question your role in this, BS?
My questions are rhetorical, of course, as Elvis has apparently finally left the building (and returned to the stadium to collect his "rent.") You can convince yourself of anything you like, BS, including who you mistakenly believe me to be. Fairy tales are always comforting to those craving fantasies.
Word on the street is "The list" will NOT be introduced as evidence. Not totally out of the woods yet but this new development looks promising.
Legal Eagle
12-09-11, 13:32
Word on the street is "The list" will NOT be introduced as evidence. Not totally out of the woods yet but this new development looks promising.The list was of no moment for the prosecutions pending against the Forbidden Five in the absence of correlating that list with the service information kept by My1501's ownership. The list without the service records is like a map without a legend. If the prosecution cannot identity a particular provider to a particular service date and time and a particular customer, the list itself will be inadmissible hearsay. That is the likely reason it will not be introduced at any trial of the former My1501 providers.
That, however, is not the primary importance of the list.
The list will be crucial in any prosecution against the owners of My1501 (Deleon and Kaufmann) for any organized crime related indictment (e. G, human trafficking, etc,) and for any related tax evasion charges. Again, the list must be correlated with other information seized during the investigation to have evidentiary value.
TheRealTroy
12-24-11, 21:15
That would be law enforcement, Troy. Refer back to the "reading is fundamental" discussion.
I didn't say you owned My1501; I said that you and Ivan had an historic personal and business relationship. You admitted the former and cannot deny the latter. Where, precisely, do you believe this friendship originated?
Actually, you denied ownership of the stadium as Johnballgame...Still waiting for proof of this false accusation!
Legal Eagle
12-25-11, 19:11
Still waiting for proof of this false accusation!For months you have been denying what many seniors on this board know to be true about your relationship with Deleon, Troy. We've discussed your surreptitious promotion of both of your businesses through alias board handles, similarity in pricing and organization, shift of providers from one location to another and the extent of your personal relationship. You denied any association (friendship or otherwise) via your "Johnballgame" handle, was called out on your denied personal association by both Jimtrueblue and StoptheBS and now, amazingly enough, continue to argue that all of this proves nothing.
We now learn that you actively recruited for My1501, and did so for certain with one of the escorts working for the ABE Company (named Lauren) shortly before the raid on My1501. You did not deny this when Vicky called you on it in her post in the MASSAGE thread, and were certainly aware that you had recruited for Deleon despite steadfastly denying a business relationship between the two of you. If you were not working together, why would you recruit providers for HIS location (rather than your own?) I wonder if any of Vicky's former girls worked for any of Deleon's locations after being peeled away by one of your plants, Troy? In her MASSAGE thread post, Vicky mentioned a "Talas, Chelsea and Lexi." I do not know these providers, but a few of the seniors will know whether these girls ever worked with one of Deleon's locations after you peeled them away from the ABE Company.
This also confirms the reason that information about the stadium operation was pursued by law enforcement during the investigation and raid into My1501. You were recruiting providers for Deleon during the period of the investigation and raid. If any of the seniors can confirm that Lauren's (the blonde working for the ABE Company) photos appeared on the My1501 website, it will absolutely confirm your business association with My1501. Not that this step is necessary, of course; I believe Vicky is telling the truth about this. It fits perfectly with your practice on this board of attacking other owners and their providers under your "JBG" handle while promoting both your and Deleon's providers and business interests via various board aliases. It also explains why you are so desperate to stifle the flow of information; so desperate in fact that you threatened to out Jimtrueblue (who was a loyal client of your girls) and placed a bounty on personal information about me. Or, as it turns out, who you erroneously believed me to be.
You are a proven liar, manipulator and bully who attempts to threaten men and, no doubt, the girls who don't work for you (much as you have apparently harassed Vicky's escort Lauren.)
Still care to deny the obvious, Troy?
ThePinkDaisy
12-30-11, 18:18
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We now learn that you actively recruited for My1501, and did so for certain with one of the escorts working for the ABE Company (named Lauren) shortly before the raid on My1501. You did not deny this when Vicky called you on it in her post in the MASSAGE thread, and were certainly aware that you had recruited for Deleon despite steadfastly denying a business relationship between the two of you. If you were not working together, why would you recruit providers for HIS location (rather than your own?) I wonder if any of Vicky's former girls worked for any of Deleon's locations after being peeled away by one of your plants, Troy? In her MASSAGE thread post, Vicky mentioned a "Talas, Chelsea and Lexi." I do not know these providers, but a few of the seniors will know whether these girls ever worked with one of Deleon's locations after you peeled them away from the ABE Company.
Who says soap operas are dead?
I know that Talas worked in a dump on Fern Valley that should be condemned. She switched her name to Chrissy when she worked at the stadium. If the Chelsea you are talking about is the little hottie with the baby daddy issues she worked at the stadium and at SS.
Abe Girl Vicky
01-01-12, 19:23
Chelsey is still working, Legal Eagle. She went to work with Troy after leaving my place, but I don't know what happened with her after that. She may be on her own now. Anyway, here is her ad:
Chelsey (http://louisville.backpage.com/BodyRubs/?keyword=Chelsey&layout=detailed)
Cloud Strife
01-02-12, 02:14
Chelsey is still working, Legal Eagle. She went to work with Troy after leaving my place, but I don't know what happened with her after that. She may be on her own now. Anyway, here is her ad:
Chelsey (http://louisville.backpage.com/BodyRubs/?keyword=Chelsey&layout=detailed)So, did Troy own Soothing as well then. Since I only know of her working there and on her own. Never at the Stadium or 1501, which Troy apparently deals with both.
Cloud Strife
01-02-12, 02:16
Never mind that second part of my last post. 2 posts below says she worked at the Stadium. So there should be Troy.
Legal Eagle
01-02-12, 08:26
Never mind that second part of my last post. 2 posts below says she worked at the Stadium. So there should be Troy.If that is the case, then it appears that at least two of the providers mentioned (Lauren and Chelsey) both ended up moving between studios owned by Troy and Deleon or, at the very least, supported by Troy's provider recruiting efforts. Combine this with the mass migration of providers from SS to the stadium and a pattern emerges. Before you chime in, BS; I know you claim the SS where these providers worked was not the same SS incorporated by Deleon in the same city under the same name in the same line of business. You could be right, but the odds are not in your favor.
No; Troy and Deleon could not possibly be in business together. It is not as if Troy ended up with an early copy of the police report relevant to the My1501 investigation. I am certain this is all a series of unrelated coincidences.
Chelsey is still working, Legal Eagle. She went to work with Troy after leaving my place, but I don't know what happened with her after that. She may be on her own now. Anyway, here is her ad:
Chelsey (http://louisville.backpage.com/BodyRubs/?keyword=Chelsey&layout=detailed)I saw her at both the soothing sensations in Clarksville across from the Outback Steakhouse and at the Stadium location. Sweet girl, hope someone gave her employee of the month. A lot of the girls that worked there seemed to move in a mass group to the stadium (Randi, Ava).
Cloud Strife
01-02-12, 21:27
If that is the case, then it appears that at least two of the providers mentioned (Lauren and Chelsey) both ended up moving between studios owned by Troy and Deleon or, at the very least, supported by Troy's provider recruiting efforts. Combine this with the mass migration of providers from SS to the stadium and a pattern emerges. Before you chime in, BS; I know you claim the SS where these providers worked was not the same SS incorporated by Deleon in the same city under the same name in the same line of business. You could be right, but the odds are not in your favor.
No; Troy and Deleon could not possibly be in business together. It is not as if Troy ended up with an early copy of the police report relevant to the My1501 investigation. I am certain this is all a series of unrelated coincidences.In their defense on this one, I don't know if Soothing was ever actually hit, so the migration to the stadium might just be the natural order of one not existing anymore, and there only being like 6 of these business in the Kentuckiana area that are not AMP. Though I don; t know. Take what I say with a grain of salt for this, I know (from everyone else here) that HR is being watched, and I still go there, so maybe I am not the best guy to ask about when it comes to potentially getting hit by a MP sting.
TheSportScout
01-03-12, 11:15
So now Chelsey is working out of a popular office in the east end that also houses some well reviewed and popular ladies. Are we to think that Troy has anything to do with this office? To say the least, that would be very disappointing.
Legal Eagle
01-03-12, 23:32
So now Chelsey is working out of a popular office in the east end that also houses some well reviewed and popular ladies. Are we to think that Troy has anything to do with this office? To say the least, that would be very disappointing.I cannot confirm this, SS. I do not know the providers in question. From her advertisement and reviews here in the forum, she appears to be an attractive, popular girl. Whether she or any of the providers to which you refer works with Troy presently is something of which I am unaware.
TheRealTroy
01-04-12, 12:35
I cannot confirm this, SS. I do not know the providers in question. From her advertisement and reviews here in the forum, she appears to be an attractive, popular girl. Whether she or any of the providers to which you refer works with Troy presently is something of which I am unaware.I OWN THEM ALL. LOL. I'm not on here anymore to debate hearsay, but I'm positive and have proof in the form of respected providers that in the past 2 years they were contacted numerous times by a certain company via phone and email to come work for them even though they were already working at a place. See I have proof, trusted providers words and the emails still in mailbox. The difference between typing he said / she said, you should know who your emailing before you attach you and your company's name. I hope you have a great year and just please let a sleeping dog sleep, works out best for everyone.
TheRealTroy
01-04-12, 12:58
I cannot confirm this, SS. I do not know the providers in question. From her advertisement and reviews here in the forum, she appears to be an attractive, popular girl. Whether she or any of the providers to which you refer works with Troy presently is something of which I am unaware.I own them all. LOL. I'm not on here anymore to debate hearsay, but I'm positive and have proof in the form of respected providers that in the past 2 years they were contacted numerous times by a certain company via phone and email to come work for them even though they were already working at a place. See I have proof, trusted providers words and the emails still in mailbox. The difference between typing he said / she said, you should know who your emailing before you attach you and your company's name. I hope you have a great year and just please let a sleeping dog sleep, works out best for everyone.
I own them all. LOL. I'm not on here anymore to debate hearsay, but I'm positive and have proof in the form of respected providers that in the past 2 years they were contacted numerous times by a certain company via phone and email to come work for them even though they were already working at a place. See I have proof, trusted providers words and the emails still in mailbox. The difference between typing he said / she said, you should know who your emailing before you attach you and your company's name. I hope you have a great year and just please let a sleeping dog sleep, works out best for everyone.My dog sleeps in a cage. Hope that's not a harbinger of things to come! Hahaha.
Y'all know that is funny right there!
Abe Girl Vicky
01-05-12, 13:02
I own them all. LOL. I'm not on here anymore to debate hearsay, but I'm positive and have proof in the form of respected providers that in the past 2 years they were contacted numerous times by a certain company via phone and email to come work for them even though they were already working at a place. See I have proof, trusted providers words and the emails still in mailbox. The difference between typing he said / she said, you should know who your emailing before you attach you and your company's name. I hope you have a great year and just please let a sleeping dog sleep, works out best for everyone.I own an agency, and advertise and recruit the way a legitimate agency does. This means posting "help wanted" notices and seeking out employees. Many of the ladies advertising on Backpage. Com and other locations were contacted by A. B. E and asked whether they would be interested in working here. This was in addition to responding to emails and telephone calls seeking information about the agency. This is how it works when you hire people.
As far as I know, none of the people I contacted worked for you, Troy. I said it before and will say it again: I didn't know you, anything about you or any of the places you own and certainly didn't know anyone working for you other than Desirae. I only found out about her prior work history after she came to work with my agency. None of the ads for these ladies indicated anything other than they were working either as escorts or bodyrub girls. All the ads include is a name, a short description of services and a telephone number. There was (and is) nothing about a group or agency reflected in these ads, so there was no way of knowing who was working with or for whom. If you advertised legitimately, you wouldn't cause confusion about associations. And yes, you should know who is who but only if they identify themselves as being "with" someone or some group. You are acting as if these ladies belonged to you at the same time you say that they are working on their own and just renting space from you. If you had any real experience in this profession, you'd know that ladies routinely move from agency to agency and place to place, and they do it over and over again. I didn't force them to do anything they didn't choose to do, and I didn't ask them to leave any of your places because I didn't even know they worked for you in the first place. Is it really that difficult to understand?
Whatever the situation, I didn't know these girls had anything to do with you or anybody else. If they didn't want to work for my agency, they would not have filled out the application, sought and received an escort license from IPL and allowed my agency to pay for their advertisements. If you have a beef, Troy, it is not with me. If those girls wanted to be with you they would have. If you want to let things lay, then let them lay. This nonsensical wound-licking is silly, particularly because I didn't do anything to you.
So drop it, Troy. You can leave my agency's name out of your mouth, stop posting fake comments or questions about A. B. E under different forum accounts and just let it go already. It's what responsible owners of real businesses do.
TheRealTroy
01-05-12, 15:18
Make this short and sweet. Ignorance is not an excuse, alot of ads say location and if not you learn fast who is with who. Backpage is not a good place to recruit unless you don't mind stepping on toes. Secondly just a little FYI since you havebeen around awhile, my friend tookyou on your first calls and showed you the ropes. Ville is a small place. Iwish we all could play fair, I post under my real name and stand by what I say, unlike others do KB. I wish you great success this year.
Abe Girl Vicky
01-05-12, 17:09
Make this short and sweet. Ignorance is not an excuse, alot of ads say location and if not you learn fast who is with who. Backpage is not a good place to recruit unless you don't mind stepping on toes. Secondly just a little FYI since you havebeen around awhile, my friend tookyou on your first calls and showed you the ropes. Ville is a small place. Iwish we all could play fair, I post under my real name and stand by what I say, unlike others do KB. I wish you great success this year.I don't owe you anything, Troy, so no excuses are being offered. I'm telling you the facts, and you can take it as you like. Louisville is a small place. I should know; it's my hometown. The person that showed me the ropes died several years ago, Troy. Your mother would be more familiar with this person very likely.
TheRealTroy
01-05-12, 21:38
I own an agency, and advertise and recruit the way a legitimate agency does. This means posting "help wanted" notices and seeking out employees. Many of the ladies advertising on Backpage. Com and other locations were contacted by A. B. E and asked whether they would be interested in working here. This was in addition to responding to emails and telephone calls seeking information about the agency. This is how it works when you hire people.
As far as I know, none of the people I contacted worked for you, Troy. I said it before and will say it again: I didn't know you, anything about you or any of the places you own and certainly didn't know anyone working for you other than Desirae. I only found out about her prior work history after she came to work with my agency. None of the ads for these ladies indicated anything other than they were working either as escorts or bodyrub girls. All the ads include is a name, a short description of services and a telephone number. There was (and is) nothing about a group or agency reflected in these ads, so there was no way of knowing who was working with or for whom. If you advertised legitimately, you wouldn't cause confusion about associations. And yes, you should know who is who but only if they identify themselves as being "with" someone or some group. You are acting as if these ladies belonged to you at the same time you say that they are working on their own and just renting space from you. If you had any real experience in this profession, you'd know that ladies routinely move from agency to agency and place to place, and they do it over and over again. I didn't force them to do anything they didn't choose to do, and I didn't ask them to leave any of your places because I didn't even know they worked for you in the first place. Is it really that difficult to understand?
Whatever the situation, I didn't know these girls had anything to do with you or anybody else. If they didn't want to work for my agency, they would not have filled out the application, sought and received an escort license from IPL and allowed my agency to pay for their advertisements. If you have a beef, Troy, it is not with me. If those girls wanted to be with you they would have. If you want to let things lay, then let them lay. This nonsensical wound-licking is silly, particularly because I didn't do anything to you.
So drop it, Troy. You can leave my agency's name out of your mouth, stop posting fake comments or questions about A. B. E under different forum accounts and just let it go already. It's what responsible owners of real businesses do.In my first post about this, I never mentioned Abe, you just assumed. And you also say girls go back and forth between places, maybe you could explain that to your legal, cause he thinks if a girl changes places, she still works for same owner. These girls come and go all the time for a number of reasons
Legal Eagle
01-06-12, 11:35
In my first post about this, I never mentioned Abe, you just assumed. And you also say girls go back and forth between places, maybe you could explain that to your legal, cause he thinks if a girl changes places, she still works for same owner. These girls come and go all the time for a number of reasonsI do not know any of the history between you and Vicky, Troy, but even I assumed you were talking about the ABE Company given the post in the MASSAGE thread (I. E, the allegation that you claimed she "stole providers from you.") You did not, incidentally, deny any of what Vicky stated. I do find it interesting, however, that you rail endlessly about her contacting providers. Why would this be of concern to you given your role as a simple landlord? Perhaps you are not as forthcoming as you pretend, Troy.
I could not tell you whether girls routinely go back and forth between bodyrub studios or agencies. That was not and is not my concern in this debate. I shared information, you stated that information was false and I proved you wrong repeatedly. You will deny this, of course. We have heard the denials, so you can spare us all yet another plaintive cry of innocence. You are not credible on this point, Troy. That is the beginning and ending of my area of concern on this issue.
I have made my position on the relationship between you and Deleon clear. You know it, I know it, everyone on this board knows it and the American people know it. You can continue to unfairly attack Vicky and her company, but that has nothing to do with the issue between you and I; one that you fomented by the continuous lies you post on this board under multiple board handles ("Johnballgame" being only one of several.) That much is clear, Troy. You first blamed ThePinkDaisy, then you blamed someone else and now you blame Vicky. You have been wrong each time. Noone other than you and I has anything to do with this, Troy. Accept it and move on.
The board members asked that we end the debate and, with the exception of this reply, I have agreed to their request. Stoke the coals if you so chose. Dealing with you is more comical than difficult, Troy. Perhaps you should consider "letting those dogs of your lie" and hope to maintain whatever shred of credibility you have remaining among the membership.
TheRealTroy
01-06-12, 16:07
I do not know any of the history between you and Vicky, Troy, but even I assumed you were talking about the ABE Company given the post in the MASSAGE thread (I. E, the allegation that you claimed she "stole providers from you.") You did not, incidentally, deny any of what Vicky stated. I do find it interesting, however, that you rail endlessly about her contacting providers. Why would this be of concern to you given your role as a simple landlord? Perhaps you are not as forthcoming as you pretend, Troy.
I could not tell you whether girls routinely go back and forth between bodyrub studios or agencies. That was not and is not my concern in this debate. I shared information, you stated that information was false and I proved you wrong repeatedly. You will deny this, of course. We have heard the denials, so you can spare us all yet another plaintive cry of innocence. You are not credible on this point, Troy. That is the beginning and ending of my area of concern on this issue.
I have made my position on the relationship between you and Deleon clear. You know it, I know it, everyone on this board knows it and the American people know it. You can continue to unfairly attack Vicky and her company, but that has nothing to do with the issue between you and I; one that you fomented by the continuous lies you post on this board under multiple board handles ("Johnballgame" being only one of several.) That much is clear, Troy. You first blamed ThePinkDaisy, then you blamed someone else and now you blame Vicky. You have been wrong each time. Noone other than you and I has anything to do with this, Troy. Accept it and move on.
The board members asked that we end the debate and, with the exception of this reply, I have agreed to their request. Stoke the coals if you so chose. Dealing with you is more comical than difficult, Troy. Perhaps you should consider "letting those dogs of your lie" and hope to maintain whatever shred of credibility you have remaining among the membership.Business is good. I wish all you a good and prosperous year.
TheRealTroy
01-06-12, 18:51
I just posted something similiar to this in the GENRAL REPORTS section before reading what you wrote. I said it was becoming a bit too much for a place that should be the opposite of drama and that I was also not even going to respond to him again or even write about him. Seriously, if he came up to me in public talking the way he writes, I'd probably just roll my eyes and not even say a word. He's on an entirely different page and an intelligent debate with him is impossible. He wants to fight like a child and name call and lie, it's just weird! Majority rules, the board members would like it to cease. It is what it is! And for the record, I 100% believe you Legal!Go read your post, you brought me up and my name, when you stop running it, ill stop defending myself. But if you keep it up, so will I. Your not the only one who can throw stones. That being said I don't see my name from you, I won't post. Pretty simple.
Legal Eagle
01-07-12, 05:19
A quick status check of the cases indicates that all the defendants are set for a court review on January 19, 2012. Perry's case has not been indicted, so it appears that she may resolve her action along with the remaining co-defendants. This is a positive development in so far as it suggests that the cases may be settled without a trial.
Just stumbled onto this on some weird blog."here's the status of the wimmens' cases: Marisa R. Requested a PD. But denied. Set for PTC on valentines day. Kristen N, and Donna L, PTC on March 7 Abigail P. Case pending. Ivan D. And Jeana K. Have no charges." and down the thread was this:Though I comment from time to time as 'The Dalai let me, ' for the amusement of my friends, I am a Deputy Prosecuting Attorney in Clark County. My name is Matthew let me. I invite any interested person to check the link above. There are rules of professional conduct for all attorneys and some that are particular to prosecutors. If a person were charged with a single offense and were found to be in possession of a list of names, it may invite suspicion that the named persons participated in some criminal activity. If a person was charged with trafficking drugs, a list of names would might be seen as drug users. With 100 names on the list, it might suggest that the person charged with a single incident of drug dealing had actually committed 100 crimes. I believe it would be improper for a prosecutor to release such information as it would be viewed as a statement as to the character of the accused that is not permitted under the rules. It's not permitted, because it's not fair. Evidence of the credibility and reliability of the list would have to be established before it would be admissible as evidence in court. It is certainly improper for a prosecutor to take information that he or she knows to be inadmissible at trial, and release it to the media.
There is no way for any person to prevent themselves from being placed on someone's 'list. ' If one's true name (not a made up alias or screen name) is on such a list, where can they go to get their reputation back? Where can they go and clear their name? All that is left is 'blog justice. ' For a Prosecutor to lend the credibility of the authority of his office by providing a list suggesting criminal acts on the part of uncharged persons is wrong on its face.
Releasing any 'list, ' (I have never seen such a list) without evidentiary support, would be unfair to persons charged and unfair to persons named.
All persons charged are presumed to be innocent unless and until proven guilty in court.
Talk about talking too much. http://nky.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20120208/NEWS010701/302080118/Wilson-faces-sex-drug-charges?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|News
GreatCatHunter
02-09-12, 23:04
Talk about talking too much.
http://nky.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20120208/NEWS010701/302080118/Wilson-faces-sex-drug-charges?odyssey=tab
|topnews|text|NewsI wondered why she even came forward, its not liked he murdered or raped anyone.
I wondered why she even came forward, its not liked he murdered or raped anyone.She was in the county jail last spring or summer. Reading the local county paper, she spots the picture of this dude she knows as "Mike". Upon reading further she realizes that "Mike" is really named AW, and on top of that a County Commissioner. So the witch decided to try to reduce her sentence or affect the outcome of her case, not sure. Several months later (Sept-Oct 2011) she introduces him to another gal, who is a local dancer and provider. This gal wears the wire and sets him up with a recorded session with LE for a narcotic exchange for sex. The actual sexual meeting didn't happen but the recording of enough evidence did, plus "mike" got suspicious and called off the deal, but had already provided some substance to the provider. Busted. The identity of girl # 2 has not yet surfaced, but it will.
I look for these two gals to head out of Cincy, somewhere like the ville, Indy or Lex, so be on your toes.
Legal Eagle
02-13-12, 04:01
Just stumbled onto this on some weird blog."here's the status of the wimmens' cases: Marisa R. Requested a PD. But denied. Set for PTC on valentines day. Kristen N, and Donna L, PTC on March 7 Abigail P. Case pending. Ivan D. And Jeana K. Have no charges." and down the thread was this:Though I comment from time to time as 'The Dalai let me, ' for the amusement of my friends, I am a Deputy Prosecuting Attorney in Clark County. My name is Matthew let me. I invite any interested person to check the link above. There are rules of professional conduct for all attorneys and some that are particular to prosecutors. If a person were charged with a single offense and were found to be in possession of a list of names, it may invite suspicion that the named persons participated in some criminal activity. If a person was charged with trafficking drugs, a list of names would might be seen as drug users. With 100 names on the list, it might suggest that the person charged with a single incident of drug dealing had actually committed 100 crimes. I believe it would be improper for a prosecutor to release such information as it would be viewed as a statement as to the character of the accused that is not permitted under the rules. It's not permitted, because it's not fair. Evidence of the credibility and reliability of the list would have to be established before it would be admissible as evidence in court. It is certainly improper for a prosecutor to take information that he or she knows to be inadmissible at trial, and release it to the media.
There is no way for any person to prevent themselves from being placed on someone's 'list. ' If one's true name (not a made up alias or screen name) is on such a list, where can they go to get their reputation back? Where can they go and clear their name? All that is left is 'blog justice. ' For a Prosecutor to lend the credibility of the authority of his office by providing a list suggesting criminal acts on the part of uncharged persons is wrong on its face.
Releasing any 'list, ' (I have never seen such a list) without evidentiary support, would be unfair to persons charged and unfair to persons named.
All persons charged are presumed to be innocent unless and until proven guilty in court.As an initial matter, it is unlikely the prosecutor on the case engaged in extra-judicial commentary on a blog post. The typical response-other than to established news agencies-is "no comment." These are not the words of the assigned prosecutor.
Furthermore, the list itself is hearsay without supporting testimony. It would never be used absent witness corroboration, and would only be offered into evidence during a court hearing. A prosecutor would not take the time to explain the improprieties and consequences of a circumstance (leaking potential evidence) that would never occur in the first place. Consider how and why the comment was posted and that will give you some idea of who is behind its publication.
You mean those chicks are still saying they not guilty? Whats that about?
Marisa's court date was Valentine's Day, did anyone hear any news? Valentine's Day, was that planned?
Legal Eagle
03-10-12, 13:56
[I KNOW]Who owned the places because I worked there. I know my employers. I took the time last night to read your posts and it's obvious why you are on here. I got on here to put the truth out. Since I was in the business I know from first hand experience. While I was working several law enforcement guys were customers believe or not I have continued that relationship with some and know what I am talking about and not frivolously spewing inaccurate information. I had a personal interest in knowing whether what you were saying was true. It's not.
T sat in the office most days with us and other than the one he dated he never had relations with any of us. He would regularly get calls from other providers wanting to work at the stadium.
Put up or shut up. Show some proof. The other owners and workers have been arrested, if there was proof as you say, he would be too. You argue that you are not involved with the case so how do you know what proof they have? Being a excellent provider as I was we have ways of getting to the real information and I know that they are not concerned about him.
As the other guy said on here about T calling so what? He might be a monger just like you. I guarantee providers aren't turning him away. They will see anyone with a pocket full of money.
Again mongers it is clear there is an agenda with these guys. Legal even threatened T's kids on here. What kind of person does that? They are little kids. Do I have an agenda? Yes. I'm thinking of getting back in the business and want to set the record straight. I have no reason to move to another site because I won't continue to argue with this "man".Let us approach this discussion operating on two basic assumptions, Miss Fancy:
1. You are who and what you claim to be: a former provider who has worked with The Troy, and.
2. The information you obtained is from law enforcement and from providers at both the stadium and the former 1501 locations.
It would be simple, exceptionally so, to dissect what you have stated and explain how and where you are wrong in your assertions, Miss Fancy. Rather than doing that, I would pose a couple of questions and await your response. If I am wrong in my assertions about The Troy's business relationship with Deleon:
1. Why did information about their business relationship turn up during the interviews of people associated with the My1501 investigation?
2. What is the motive of the former 1501 girls to lie about Troy's antics?
3. Why did the media think this information important enough to reference in their news coverage?
If you begin your recitation with a rejection of the idea that "T" and the "Troy" referred to in the article are two different people, you will instantly lose credibility, Miss Fancy. There is not a single rational, intelligent hobbyist on this board that believes this to be the case. There is far too much evidence supporting the common identity of the two. If you have read the various posts about Troy's personal relationship with Deleon, you understand and accept this to be the case. The "Troy" described in the article is your "T." Whether you accept the assertions made against him as true is a separate matter.
My final question is this, Miss Fancy. We have all had friends surprise us with their hidden conduct. We initially defend them, but privately look to see whether accusations made against them have any merit. Sometimes they are vindicated, and sometimes they stand convicted. Either way, we still hold them out as friends. Defending them is one thing. Covering for them is something altogether different. Your attack against me is personal, Miss Fancy; on the same level as that of The Troy himself.
4. If you and "T" are simply friends and co-workers, why is it so important to you that the information surfacing about him be wrong?
AUniqueName
05-04-12, 18:57
Continued from.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1440534&viewfull=1#post1440534
Just in case it goes any further.
carrying a gun could get You arrested & charged with 1 or more serious Felonies,Beats being dead. There's obviously no argument to be made against anything you said, but still. It beats being dead.
You have my reply in p'm' but you're welcome to copy_&_paste it here if you'd like to discuss it further on the public forum?
My main point: why would anyone choose to deliberately go into ANY situation that has a very high probability of ending badly for him (in any of several ways: including getting his gun stolen from him, & maybe even being killed himself) just because he is carrying his pistol with him?
Awareness & Avoidance are much cheaper & much more discreet than hiring Attorneys!
Play safeR & stay safe; sincerely: A K.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7890-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1440534&viewfull=1#post1440534
Just in case it goes any further. Beats being dead. There's obviously no argument to be made against anything you said, but still. It beats being dead.
You have my reply in p'm' but you're welcome to copy_&_paste it here if you'd like to discuss it further on the public forum?
My main point: why would anyone choose to deliberately go into ANY situation that has a very high probability of ending badly for him (in any of several ways: including getting his gun stolen from him, & maybe even being killed himself) just because he is carrying his pistol with him?
Awareness & Avoidance are much cheaper & much more discreet than hiring Attorneys!
Play safeR & stay safe; sincerely: A K.If you knew you were walking into a bad situation, you wouldn't go. If I knew I was going to have a car wreck on Tuesday, I wouldn't drive.
Sometimes you can't foresee walking into a train wreck. Being prepared for anything isn't a crime. How you choose to react to it can be (which is your point I believe) , but being prepared is not.
AUniqueName
05-05-12, 20:28
One does not carry in order to go into a bad situation. One carries in order to try to get out of a bad situation.
There's no way to know what's going to happen when you leave the house, no matter what you're doing or where you're going. That's why I have emergency supplies in the truck. That's why I always strap on my cell phone and pistol when I leave the house. That's why I studied taekwondo. That's why I'm always scanning the surroundings as I go about my daily business. I'm quite confident in my ability to defend myself should the need arise. If you want to go through life as one of the sheep, that's your choice, but don't keep calling my decision to be prepared for what life throws at me "stupid."
You keep preaching "awareness and avoidance." Yeah, I'm aware Escorts are criminals, so I avoid Them. It's always best not to deal with the criminal element. And that Is much cheaper than either lawyers or funeral arrangements.
You have my reply in p'm' but you're welcome to copy_&_paste it here if you'd like to discuss it further on the public forum?
My main point: why would anyone choose to deliberately go into ANY situation that has a very high probability of ending badly for him (in any of several ways: including getting his gun stolen from him, & maybe even being killed himself) just because he is carrying his pistol with him?
Awareness & Avoidance are much cheaper & much more discreet than hiring Attorneys!
Play safeR & stay safe; sincerely: A K.
Legal,
Whats the latest in the 1501 case? Any ruling on the "list" yet?
I'm curious: How many times have you had to draw your piece or draw on martial arts to defend yourself from attack? And of those instances, how many could have been diffused without force, if force weren't the first option? I'm a relatively old guy, and I've never once been assaulted or in a situation where talking my way through it didn't work. Of course, the only criminals I frequent are the petty sort. Mostly tax cheats, who I consider friends, and purveyors of sex for cash, who I choose very carefully. And, I stay in great shape running, lifting, and bicycling. Which helps dissuade folks from mistaking me for an easy mark. Generally I view carrying heat like health. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Also, if you avoid criminals, what brings you to this board?
One does not carry in order to go into a bad situation. One carries in order to try to get out of a bad situation.
There's no way to know what's going to happen when you leave the house, no matter what you're doing or where you're going. That's why I have emergency supplies in the truck. That's why I always strap on my cell phone and pistol when I leave the house. That's why I studied taekwondo. That's why I'm always scanning the surroundings as I go about my daily business. I'm quite confident in my ability to defend myself should the need arise. If you want to go through life as one of the sheep, that's your choice, but don't keep calling my decision to be prepared for what life throws at me "stupid."
You keep preaching "awareness and avoidance." Yeah, I'm aware Escorts are criminals, so I avoid Them. It's always best not to deal with the criminal element. And that Is much cheaper than either lawyers or funeral arrangements.
Legal Eagle
05-17-12, 01:53
Legal,
Whats the latest in the 1501 case? Any ruling on the "list" yet?Nothing substantive has occurred on the cases as yet, TT. The defendants are headed back to court for a pretrial conference on May 24th. The prosecution is attempting to work with at least two of the defendants to confirm some of the contact information on the list; specifically, the dates and nature of service provided. The difficulty faced by the government is correlating the identities of the clients on the list with the rendering of actual services. The defendants would have to make facial identifications in order for that list to have any real relevance. Candidly, it does not appear that the case will require this because a settlement is being hammered out as we speak. To the extent that the information is used, it will be used in the prosecution of Deleon (assuming he and his spouse do not settle their case in advance of trial.)
AUniqueName
05-18-12, 22:44
I'm curious: How many times have you had to draw your piece or draw on martial arts to defend yourself from attack? And of those instances, how many could have been diffused without force, if force weren't the first option? I'm a relatively old guy, and I've never once been assaulted or in a situation where talking my way through it didn't work. Of course, the only criminals I frequent are the petty sort. Mostly tax cheats, who I consider friends, and purveyors of sex for cash, who I choose very carefully. And, I stay in great shape running, lifting, and bicycling. Which helps dissuade folks from mistaking me for an easy mark. Generally I view carrying heat like health. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Also, if you avoid criminals, what brings you to this board?Four answers for four questions.
Once. Thrice. Never.
You people are interesting.
OneOfTheGuys
06-01-12, 08:01
Huber was charged with promoting prostitution, permitting prostitution, receipt of stolen property and carrying a concealed deadly weapon.
He was arraigned in jailcourt Thursday, and a judge released him on his own recognizance.
Seems to be some serious charges. How does that happen? I know Ivan was So. In he got popped with two counts of promoting and 25k bail and Huber walks. Almost appears that Huber has a unique relationship or maybe I am overreacting please explain.
Likely overreacting. Huber's represented by a decent attorney, who probably reached a District Court Judge and argued for his client to be released on his own reconizance. Huber has no substantive criminal record. The CCDW charge is bogus; there is no mention in the citation of it being anywhere on or around his person.
Huber was charged with promoting prostitution, permitting prostitution, receipt of stolen property and carrying a concealed deadly weapon.
He was arraigned in jailcourt Thursday, and a judge released him on his own recognizance.
Seems to be some serious charges. How does that happen? I know Ivan was So. In he got popped with two counts of promoting and 25k bail and Huber walks. Almost appears that Huber has a unique relationship or maybe I am overreacting please explain.
Legal Eagle
06-04-12, 23:06
Huber was charged with promoting prostitution, permitting prostitution, receipt of stolen property and carrying a concealed deadly weapon.
He was arraigned in jailcourt Thursday, and a judge released him on his own recognizance.
Seems to be some serious charges. How does that happen? I know Ivan was So. In he got popped with two counts of promoting and 25k bail and Huber walks. Almost appears that Huber has a unique relationship or maybe I am overreacting please explain.Of the charges he faces, the most serious is the promoting prostitution count. That is a Class D felony, and can carry a penalty of up to five (5) years in the penitentiary. The charge is, however, non-violent in nature. With the recent changes in the penal code regarding bail bonds and presumptive probation, his release from custody on his own recognizance was a virtual certainty. The only catch to this was the firearm-related charge (which itself is a misdemeanor.)
Deleon's situation is different in that a) he was charged under Indiana law and 2) was known to law enforcement authorities as a potential repeat offender. Deleon's establishment was also specifically targeted by law enforcement investigations into organized prostitution. The arrest involving Huber and Company (a subsidiary of Deleon Productions) was ostensibly visited incidental to an investigation into narcotics trafficking. The incidental nature of the raid is a reflection of the bond recommendations for Huber; who, as I understand it, has a relatively blemish-free criminal history.
Hey Legal,
Any new updates on rubgate?
A spot up in St. Matthews was popped. Checked it out on WAVE3 today.
http://www.wave3.com/story/19232797/police-bust-alleged-prostitution-ring-in-st-matthews
After I saw this story I just went ahead and deleted the Mommy's (once known as Brooke) phone number from my little burn phone. She sure went down hill since I saw her in April at the Ulrich Ave. Location. She had some great conversation skills at that time and was a very nice looking lady. Heroin is a very bad toy to play with.
Member #6042
08-29-12, 16:42
After I saw this story I just went ahead and deleted the Mommy's (once known as Brooke) phone number from my little burn phone. She sure went down hill since I saw her in April at the Ulrich Ave. Location. She had some great conversation skills at that time and was a very nice looking lady. Heroin is a very bad toy to play with.Ouch! She looks horrible. I had heard from another girl that she was on the H and last time I saw her (in the old s. Ind location) she was messed up at 10am. Nice bbbjcimnqns tho.
http://www.whas11.com/news/Neighbors-concerned-after-PRP-mother-daughter-duo-arrested-on-drun-charges-167233085.html
This can't end well for this guy. Hope he is not one of us.
http://www.oldhamera.com/content/masseuse-calls-911-deputy-sheriff's-home
It was also reported on Louisville television. This is not the way to handle things.
This can't end well for this guy. Hope he is not one of us.
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This can't end well for this guy. Hope he is not one of us.No kidding. But this caught my eye:
The driver later contacted OCPD and said he spoke with [OC Sheriff] and County Attorney [Attorney] and still did not wish to press charges once learning [Deputy] was a deputy.For some reason, my brain insists on translating that as "The driver later contacted OCPD and said he spoke with [OC Sheriff] and County Attorney [Attorney] and still did not wish to press charges once learning that the Sheriff's Office would pursue an investigation into him and his masseuse friend if he did."
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http://newsandtribune.com/clarkcounty/x1332342773/Floyds-Knobs-couple-arrested-for-tax-evasion-theft
SOUTHERN INDIANA — Two Floyds Knobs residents already facing prostitution charges in Clark County were arrested Thursday for tax evasion, theft and corrupt business influence.
The Indiana State Police arrested I* *and. 36, and J* *and. 38, at their Floyds Knobs home. Both are being held in Clark County Jail on $20, 000 bonds.
D and K are both charged with corrupt business influence, a class C felony, and sales tax evasion, income tax evasion and theft, all class D felonies.
If they are going for tax evasion that sounds like they can't get them on anything else and gave up on the other charges sticking. Or I might be wrong. What else does this mean?
http://chicago.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/chicago-pd-start-shutting-down-asian-massage-parlors-after-discovering-website-database-with-locations-and-user-reviews-of-the-best-rub-and-tugs-in-the-city/#comments.
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Be safe!
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